Avalanche91 wrote:Amazingly possible with just one flaw. I highly doubt Ganon would want to protect Peach....now if she was a bargaining chip for Olimar, to get him to make bombs and venom.....

It's possible Peach has already been killed and that her butchered body just simply hasn't been found yet. Mario and/or Luigi may find her blood spattered crown in ep 10 then go crazy in someones grill.

SurgePox wrote:If Ganon and the GW army are in fact responsible for the body mutilations, then why does he butcher the corpses? I can see him having a motivation to take out DDD and Mewtwo, but I don't see why he would butcher the bodies.

Perhaps in order to create the identity of "The Butcher". What if there really is no Butcher? What if the MO is itself a diversion, and the victims were gutted to make it look like a Kirby-class psycho. It's quite possible that Kirby himself was the inspiration for "The Butcher"

At first glance, this may seem like a non too logical thought but what if when Kirby says "he goes for the insides" he is in fact refering to Ganondorf's ultimate goal: The distruction of a kingdom at his own hands from the inside out. It was Ganondorf that gave Luigi the Triforce and sent him to give it to Olimar. It was Ganondorf who gave Luigi the flute and sent him to his possible death at Bowser's.

Who better to cause all of this? Ganondorf even says himself that he was robbed of his destiny when Hyrule fell to economics rather than through his own actions.

SurgePox wrote:If Ganon and the GW army are in fact responsible for the body mutilations, then why does he butcher the corpses? I can see him having a motivation to take out DDD and Mewtwo, but I don't see why he would butcher the bodies.

Since it would seem out of character for Ganondorf to butcher the bodies, that's why he had it done?

I doubt that the series would place such an emphasis on the murder style only for it to all be a big cop out. I've heard of red herring, but that's just ridiculous.

I think it's fair to say the biggest suspect right now is Zelda. She fits the physical description quite well (fast), can teleport away at will, has a fairly clear motive, we've seen her murdering (with no apparent grief for the action), adds to the Silence of the Lambs parallel with the whole crossdressing, is politically powerful and according to Link, is bipolar and psychotic. The only things that clash with it are:

1. The tower is the butcher's lair. From the way Wario talks in Ep 8, it would seem Zelda hasn't been there before2. It seems TOO obvious... although I totally wouldn't mind if she did turn out to be the one.3. There's not a huge abundance of ways that she'd be able to murder with blunt force trauma.4. There's no blood on her on episode 6 after Dedede's death, although this could be explained by saying she did the murder in her Zelda outfit, then switched to the clean Sheik outfit...

If she isn't the murderer, it would seem she's definitely in deep with whoever the killer is.

There's still another thing bugging me: How was Bowser poisoned and why?

There are only two characters I can think of who would have the ability. In the Brawl game, Olimar uses the White Pikmin to deal poison damage, and Peach uses Toad to emit spores.

Peach makes sense, since she's been kidnapped by Bowser multiple times. However, we've seen Olimar use his Pikmin in TWBB, most notably in the capsule used to kill Red. He could have made a similar capsule to poison Bowser, but how would it have been delivered to him? Ganon seems to have the only method to get to his castle, but why use poison? Why not just kill him outright like the rest of the Koopas? Is it because use of poison is the only way to kill him?

Bowser says, "They say we Koopas are made of steel. Steel on the outside, but on the inside, that's where the venom works." This could just be a rumor or speculation. But the other Koopas looked as though they were easy to kill...

Also, use of the word 'venom' implies that it has to be injected directly into the bloodstream to work. Could Ganon have gotten that close to Bowser?

Wilwarin wrote:There's still another thing bugging me: How was Bowser poisoned and why?

There are only two characters I can think of who would have the ability. In the Brawl game, Olimar uses the White Pikmin to deal poison damage, and Peach uses Toad to emit spores.

Peach makes sense, since she's been kidnapped by Bowser multiple times. However, we've seen Olimar use his Pikmin in TWBB, most notably in the capsule used to kill Red. He could have made a similar capsule to poison Bowser, but how would it have been delivered to him? Ganon seems to have the only method to get to his castle, but why use poison? Why not just kill him outright like the rest of the Koopas? Is it because use of poison is the only way to kill him?

Bowser says, "They say we Koopas are made of steel. Steel on the outside, but on the inside, that's where the venom works." This could just be a rumor or speculation. But the other Koopas looked as though they were easy to kill...

Also, use of the word 'venom' implies that it has to be injected directly into the bloodstream to work. Could Ganon have gotten that close to Bowser?

I assumed that Olimar was making it and the Game & Watches poisoned Bowser, since one of them had a bottle.

Bowser knows knew who the killer is. He knows the Butcher aims for the insides and probably has been poisened by said Butcher. The way for the Butcher to get his hands on the poison was either trough Ganon, or directly trough Olimar. Either way the Butcher is in cahoots with someone. Now think back to another line of bowser.

the insides....thats the butchers aim

This either reflects to his own poisoned organs, or to the Butchers way of work. He/She always leaves the bowels or whatever its called in english at the scene. Most likely to instill fear in the people, or in case it was Kirby, to dance around in their skin. Kirby however has a pretty solid Alibi being locked up more then half of the series. Either Zelda made a bargain with both Ganon and Kirby (which would make a killer combo in my opinion), or Mewtwo has been on the frontlines all along, having struck a bargain with his rival don.

It's Waluigi. He's gonna pull a Keyser Soze at the end of the series. He wasn't sent to deliver the capsule to Red, he did it of his own accord. It was, in his eyes, a mercy killing. Red was kind-hearted to Wa, so that was why he only killed him, but didn't mutilate him. Waluigi didn't want someone as naive as Red to have to live in the type of world the Mushroom Kingdom had become. Also, what's the one thing that M. Knight Shamalamadingdong taught us in Unbreakable? If you're looking for the villain, he's almost always the exact opposite of the hero. And since the hero of the entire series has obviously been Luigi...

To be honest, I don't think Waluigi is inherently villanous enough, or even an important enough character. Besides, it's a very large leap for a comic relief character to become the main villain. I also don't think the butcher would deviate from his method of killing.

Lets face it. Waluigi has been a lame character throughout the entire Mario series. And they were just parodying that by making him a mentally retarded guy with an obsession for tennis, parties and olympics. He's an awesome and hilarious character in this, but not villain material. =P

But I must say NEVER think you know Zach's and Matt's methods or think you understand them. They're GREAT mindfuckers and if you make the mistake of "knowing" them they'll make your brain into pudding and you'd be a real life Waluigi

In all fairness, I think the main reason I don't think it can happen is, I believe Zach once said it would be a developed character who would be the murderer (not sure if he said that, but I think he did). I don't claim to know what they're planning AT ALL, and for all I know, obi could be totally spot on, I just don't think it's likely. It's a pretty cool idea though and it'd be a cool twist. I wouldn't mind it if it were the case at all, if they pulled it off well.

So yeah, maybe I was a bit quick to assert my opinion, but I didn't mean to come off as arrogant and know-it-all-y. =P