I can't believe people complain (if we ended up in the Big 12, but my preference would be the SEC) about traveling to the southwest for football games....THINK PEOPLE!! How many of you actually travel to places like Duke, Wake and NC State for games? Or in the past Maryland? The only destinations that have been true targets by Nole fans have been Atlanta (now once every six years), Clemson and Boston. You fail to see the flip side....OU, OK State, Texas and even Kansas State coming to Tally at least once every six years and that would be staggered meaning we'd have 1-2 additional very attractive home games per year...and we'd still play the Gators. May even keep playing Miami. We'd have a home game against West Virginia every other year...and if Clemson came with us we'd still play them.

Actually, a LOT of us traveled to BC, Maryland, NC State, Wake, etc because we have a strong following up and down the east coast and a lot of our Alumni base lives there. Not to mention it's cheap to fly to Boston and DC, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham/etc. This year at Maryland was one of the strongest showings at that stadium we've ever had.

My preference is SEC but as of now we don't have the votes.

How many votes would be required?

This ^^^ and how do you know we don't have the votes required, you can't just make a statement like you know facts and not explain where your info comes from. Has FSU been told that, do you know that there was a vote, and we didn't have enough, what's your basis for making that statement?

Yes i can and no i don't have to explain anything to you. Believe me or not...i don't care.

And i love how all of you get so riled up over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece. Continue freaking out.

11/27 11:18 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

And i love how all of you get so riled up over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece. Continue freaking out.I understand you are passionate about this stuff but throwing me under the bus won't help. If this was just my opinion it would be in a column and you know that. And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch.

Just passing along stuff I've heard. You and others know we don't throw around this conference stuff very often and I wouldn't do it on a whim or just to drum up business.

11/27 11:39 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot Com:

And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch.

on some things, but for about two years he hasn't been close to better than that with anything dealing with expansion. He's been quite a bit worse than that actually.

11/27 7:03 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by vanole35:

Originally posted by Dot Com:

And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch.

on some things, but for about two years he hasn't been close to better than that with anything dealing with expansion. He's been quite a bit worse than that actually.

But i've been right as it pertains to FSU. So of course you're going to be upset.

And Gene and myself are good. Don't you worry.

11/27 7:23 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by vanole35:

Originally posted by Dot Com:

And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch.

on some things, but for about two years he hasn't been close to better than that with anything dealing with expansion. He's been quite a bit worse than that actually.

But i've been right as it pertains to FSU. So of course you're going to be upset.

And Gene and myself are good. Don't you worry.

I'm not worried at all, and I'd hardly say you were correct saying ND would join the ACC. Seriously, how does one even begin to claim they were right when every single person in the world knows for an absolute fact that ND hasn't joined the ACC?

And why would I be upset if you were correct? I would rather FSU pursue being in the SEC first, Big 12 second, but more importantly I want FSU to keep itself in the best possible position. I have no idea what that is since it isn't my job and I don't have time to crunch the numbers or even begin to understand all of the variables associate. That's why I don't talk to people like they are idiots when they give their opinion. It's a good idea.

11/27 7:52 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by vanole35:

And why would I be upset if you were correct? I would rather FSU pursue being in the SEC first, Big 12 second, but more importantly I want FSU to keep itself in the best possible position. I have no idea what that is since it isn't my job and I don't have time to crunch the numbers or even begin to understand all of the variables associate.

That's why I don't talk to people like they are idiots when they give their opinion. It's a good idea. I'm not worried at all, and I'd hardly say you were correct saying ND would join the ACC. Seriously, how does one even begin to claim they were right when every single person in the world knows for an absolute fact that ND hasn't joined the ACC?

So i don't even get credit for them joining the conference in every other sport and 5 games in football? Now you're just being technical. I was one of the only ones that said it would happen. And it did.

And i agree. I don't think you should talk to people like they're idiots either.

11/27 8:01 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by vanole35:

And why would I be upset if you were correct? I would rather FSU pursue being in the SEC first, Big 12 second, but more importantly I want FSU to keep itself in the best possible position. I have no idea what that is since it isn't my job and I don't have time to crunch the numbers or even begin to understand all of the variables associate.

That's why I don't talk to people like they are idiots when they give their opinion. It's a good idea. I'm not worried at all, and I'd hardly say you were correct saying ND would join the ACC. Seriously, how does one even begin to claim they were right when every single person in the world knows for an absolute fact that ND hasn't joined the ACC?

So i don't even get credit for them joining the conference in every other sport and 5 games in football? Now you're just being technical. I was one of the only ones that said it would happen. And it did.

And i agree. I don't think you should talk to people like they're idiots either.

You talk like that's a good deal for us. It's a crappy deal for us. How in the world do you not see that? It's further confirmation we are the new Big East. 2.5 games a year does not mean a whole lot, and it gives ND all the non-revenue sport stability it needs to stay independent.

11/28 12:55 PM | IP: Logged

in regards to recruiting and the impacts of being in the ACC...

I wont side either way. But i would add that it may not be as clear as FSU vs. UF..."Im going to UF, cause FSU is in the ACC". It may be something like in December of your junior year of high school, when you are sorting through your shoe box of letters, and Michael L calls you to do an interview, and asks you your top 5, and you name 5 SEC schools (ultimate run on sentence). We may be eliminated at a point where it has yet to reach the level of "recruiting battle".

11/28 1:04 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by vanole35:

And why would I be upset if you were correct? I would rather FSU pursue being in the SEC first, Big 12 second, but more importantly I want FSU to keep itself in the best possible position. I have no idea what that is since it isn't my job and I don't have time to crunch the numbers or even begin to understand all of the variables associate.

That's why I don't talk to people like they are idiots when they give their opinion. It's a good idea. I'm not worried at all, and I'd hardly say you were correct saying ND would join the ACC. Seriously, how does one even begin to claim they were right when every single person in the world knows for an absolute fact that ND hasn't joined the ACC?

So i don't even get credit for them joining the conference in every other sport and 5 games in football? Now you're just being technical. I was one of the only ones that said it would happen. And it did.

And i agree. I don't think you should talk to people like they're idiots either.

I would agree, with the exception that the "technical" part, is at least 80% of what matters. Financially anyways.

11/27 8:10 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by vanole35:

Originally posted by vanole35:

And why would I be upset if you were correct? I would rather FSU pursue being in the SEC first, Big 12 second, but more importantly I want FSU to keep itself in the best possible position. I have no idea what that is since it isn't my job and I don't have time to crunch the numbers or even begin to understand all of the variables associate.

That's why I don't talk to people like they are idiots when they give their opinion. It's a good idea. I'm not worried at all, and I'd hardly say you were correct saying ND would join the ACC. Seriously, how does one even begin to claim they were right when every single person in the world knows for an absolute fact that ND hasn't joined the ACC?

I would agree, with the exception that the "technical" part, is at least 80% of what matters. Financially anyways.

Yep, technically ND just parked their non-revenue sports in the acc to make scheduling easier for them. Glad we could help. In the ACC that's a win cause that's how we roll.

It's that kind of out of the box thinking that has lead the conference brain trust to focus on adding small market, non-football schools that will, at best, result in a minor increase to the 20% of the TV contract related to BBall which can then be divided up 14 or 16 ways. Can't wait for FSU to get their 0.002% increase next year. Hoo-rah!

This post was edited on 11/27 11:22 PM by RTM58

11/27 11:17 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by vanole35:

Originally posted by Dot Com:

And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch.

on some things, but for about two years he hasn't been close to better than that with anything dealing with expansion. He's been quite a bit worse than that actually.

But i've been right as it pertains to FSU. So of course you're going to be upset.

Borasch, what about Schlabach's comments on espn about jimbo to tennessee?

11/27 7:53 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by elrod94:Borasch, what about Schlabach's comments on espn about jimbo to tennessee?

I posted this in another thread, but that would be insane on both of their parts.

UT would have to pay $5M for Dooley leaving, $5M to FSU for the buyout, and however much it took to make it worthwhile for Jimbo to leave. That's quite a bit of money for a coach with 3 years experience and not very many accomplishments outside of recruiting.

11/27 7:58 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by elrod94:Borasch, what about Schlabach's comments on espn about jimbo to tennessee?

Haven't seen them. What did he say?

11/27 7:57 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by elrod94:Borasch, what about Schlabach's comments on espn about jimbo to tennessee?

Haven't seen them. What did he say?

said he believes jinmbo goes to tennessee bc jimbo does not want to be in ACC and the ACC is hurting FSU's football brand and the administration isnt doing anything to get FSU out of ACC

11/27 8:01 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by elrod94:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by elrod94:Borasch, what about Schlabach's comments on espn about jimbo to tennessee?

Haven't seen them. What did he say?

said he believes jinmbo goes to tennessee bc jimbo does not want to be in ACC and the ACC is hurting FSU's football brand and the administration isnt doing anything to get FSU out of ACC

Oh boy. We're doomed. What do i do with my Jimbo signed football?!??

Seriously though....i don't want to lose Jimbo, but it would be silly for him to leave for a dumpster fire program and basically start over again with his 5 year plan, at a place where if he doesn't win quick enough, they will fire him faster that we would here.

I have no idea if he leaves or not, but i'm not really worried about what ole Mark says. This was the same Mark at ESPN that claimed we were headed to the SEC last year.

11/27 8:06 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by DanC78:

You're wrong

About what Dan?

Anxiously awaiting your response!

11/27 7:48 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot Com:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:And i love how all of you get so riled up over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece. Continue freaking out.I understand you are passionate about this stuff but throwing me under the bus won't help. If this was just my opinion it would be in a column and you know that. And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch.

Just passing along stuff I've heard. You and others know we don't throw around this conference stuff very often and I wouldn't do it on a whim or just to drum up business.

No he's not. Not sure if you've kept up with his posts. You should not have written this piece before consulting him. Didnt you know we don't have enough votes? Duh.

Sarcasm aside, excellent, excellent piece Dot. I know how difficult to get this kind of information, but that's what we pay for. My office is buzzing something crazy after this posted.

11/27 1:02 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot Com:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:And i love how all of you get so riled up over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece. Continue freaking out.I understand you are passionate about this stuff but throwing me under the bus won't help. If this was just my opinion it would be in a column and you know that. And really, an ACC hate piece? You are better than that Borasch.

Just passing along stuff I've heard. You and others know we don't throw around this conference stuff very often and I wouldn't do it on a whim or just to drum up business.

Cool your jets. Debating over which conference would be best to join vs staying in the ACC is a nice filler between getting beat by UF and awaiting the ACC Championship game.

You don't have to jump all over everyone for simply having an opinion different than yours, regardless of how informed you are (and for anyone to assume that you're informed is comical).

SEC would always be preferred. ACC has work to do. Big 12 would be good but not great. This offseason should be very interesting.

Am I freaking out? Am I riled up? Am I all over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece? I'm sure you'll find something to bash me for. Here's to your next 30 posts on the topic.

This post was edited on 11/27 11:39 AM by Play_Maker005

11/27 11:38 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by erock4129:

Originally posted by ShadyNole13:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by sidnole5:

I can't believe people complain (if we ended up in the Big 12, but my preference would be the SEC) about traveling to the southwest for football games....THINK PEOPLE!! How many of you actually travel to places like Duke, Wake and NC State for games? Or in the past Maryland? The only destinations that have been true targets by Nole fans have been Atlanta (now once every six years), Clemson and Boston. You fail to see the flip side....OU, OK State, Texas and even Kansas State coming to Tally at least once every six years and that would be staggered meaning we'd have 1-2 additional very attractive home games per year...and we'd still play the Gators. May even keep playing Miami. We'd have a home game against West Virginia every other year...and if Clemson came with us we'd still play them.

Actually, a LOT of us traveled to BC, Maryland, NC State, Wake, etc because we have a strong following up and down the east coast and a lot of our Alumni base lives there. Not to mention it's cheap to fly to Boston and DC, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham/etc. This year at Maryland was one of the strongest showings at that stadium we've ever had.

My preference is SEC but as of now we don't have the votes.

How many votes would be required?

This ^^^ and how do you know we don't have the votes required, you can't just make a statement like you know facts and not explain where your info comes from. Has FSU been told that, do you know that there was a vote, and we didn't have enough, what's your basis for making that statement?

Yes i can and no i don't have to explain anything to you. Believe me or not...i don't care.

And i love how all of you get so riled up over Gene's opinion/ACC-hate piece. Continue freaking out.

I don't see anyone freaking out, not me anyway, just asked a question, since you continue to put out statements like you know something, I was hoping you could enlighten us. I could give a shit about your opinion, now if you had some facts to back it up, that's a different story.

11/27 11:21 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by erock4129:

I could give a shit about your opinion

rabble rabble rabble rabble

You "couldn't care enough" to post and ask me about it.

11/27 11:24 AM | IP: Logged

Some of you have zero reading comprehension. Gene's intro states clearly that that he's giving us speculation and rumor that has more authority than unfounded opinion. The piece is full of warnings not to take anything as gospel, other than that change is ahead.

11/27 11:35 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by erock4129:

I could give a shit about your opinion

rabble rabble rabble rabble

You "couldn't care enough" to post and ask me about it.

what are you 9, rabble rabble... WTF is that?, I asked if you had facts, obviously you don't or you don't care to share, that's fine either way.

11/27 11:28 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by erock4129:

what are you 9, rabble rabble... WTF is that?, I asked if you had facts, obviously you don't or you don't care to share, that's fine either way.

I don't care to share. Most people who do won't share things on a message board.

11/27 11:32 AM | IP: Logged

Borash was dead wrong about waiting for a flood of cheap USF tickets, and he was 100% convinced of it, posted it a hundred times, , and was 100% wrong.

11/27 11:37 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SemiNo.1e:

Borash was dead wrong about waiting for a flood of cheap USF tickets, and he was 100% convinced of it, posted it a hundred times, , and was 100% wrong.

Actually, there were a lot of cheap tickets outside the stadium on Gameday.

And i was 100% right...that USF was holding back tickets and altering demand, and this was proven as they withheld about 10K tickets. So again, i was right, because the demand was artificial, not because of that many people actually paying those absurd prices for the game.

Anything else?

11/27 11:41 AM | IP: Logged

You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want. If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him. But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights. This is June or July all over again. Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens.

I'll just sit back and watch--again.

11/27 11:57 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by moz9:You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want. If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him. But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights. This is June or July all over again. Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens.

I'll just sit back and watch--again.

I agree to an extent; however, what bothered me was the way he spoke with 100% "certainty" that FSU did not have the votes to get into the SEC. He stated it as fact and I highly doubt, unless he had driks with all 14 Presidents inside the SEC last night, that he knows without a doubt that FSU does not have the votes to get into the SEC. I'm not saying we do, nor am I even saying the SEC is interested; however, even if he heard from a reliable source at FSU or wherever that the votes were not there, its hard to say with much confidence that it is fact.

11/27 12:39 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by nolemanb:

Originally posted by moz9:You all are so quick to jump on someone's case when they don't feed you exactly what you want. If Dot had written the piece saying that FSU was unlikely to move, you would have jumped all over him. But since Borasch casts some doubt on whether we will leave you want to read him his rights. This is June or July all over again. Get your hopes up about leaving the ACC, and then go bananas when nothing happens.

I'll just sit back and watch--again.

I agree to an extent; however, what bothered me was the way he spoke with 100% "certainty" that FSU did not have the votes to get into the SEC. He stated it as fact and I highly doubt, unless he had driks with all 14 Presidents inside the SEC last night, that he knows without a doubt that FSU does not have the votes to get into the SEC. I'm not saying we do, nor am I even saying the SEC is interested; however, even if he heard from a reliable source at FSU or wherever that the votes were not there, its hard to say with much confidence that it is fact.

Because it was fact, from last time. We didn't have the votes. If we would have....we would have been in the SEC. It's really not that difficult to understand.

Going forward...i doubt we get these votes but who knows how this will all play out. I don't think we'll ever go to the SEC. I think we have a stronger possibility of going to the Big 12 (which in and of itself is a long shot). Again, th against personally what i want, which is to go to the SEC.

One thing to consider....how will the new Big 12/SEC alliance play out? You know the TV networks are going to have their say. And if anyone is going to get what they want...it's the television networks. I don't think after making this rosy marriage to play each other as conference champions, they're going to publicly battle it out over a few ACC schools. I think each of them will consult with ESPN/Fox/NBC, they'll consult with the schools they're interested in and each other, and then make offers from there. If anything.

11/27 1:23 PM | IP: Logged

The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program. Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.

11/27 1:32 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Micco:The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program. Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.

They can be engaged while leaving options open, and without making things worse publicly.

The public spat between our BoT and admin last year was brutal to watch. Embarassing, even.

11/27 2:07 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Micco:The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program. Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.

Exactly. It amazes me how many people don't believe this.

11/27 1:37 PM | IP: Logged

I wish someone would define what they mean when they say "our leadership is engaged on this issue."

Does that mean that they are regularly talking to Swofford and attempting to rescue the ACC? Does it mean we are calling SEC schools and attempting to negotiate our way in to the conference?Or does it mean that they are refreshing Warchant every 5 minutes?

Obviously, none of us know the true answer.But given Barron's few public statements on realignment (as well as his email response last summer), he has shown himself to be (generously speaking) less than knowledgeable and in some cases, downright insulting (when he called out the Big 12 academic reputation.) Even more recently, he was quoted as saying that he doesn't understand all this realignment.

Hardly inspiring, to say the least.

So for those of us who are unhappy with the ACC, those types of public responses don't give us a lot of faith that he is "actively engaged" on this issue.

11/27 2:57 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by Micco:The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program. Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.

Exactly. It amazes me how many people don't believe this.

I actually do believe this. Which would mean that they have explored the possibility of leaving for another conference. I just don't understand why you can be so sure they're on top of this, and so adamant that leaving isn't going to happen.

11/27 1:43 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by SavageSteve:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by Micco:The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program. Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.

Exactly. It amazes me how many people don't believe this.

I actually do believe this. Which would mean that they have explored the possibility of leaving for another conference. I just don't understand why you can be so sure they're on top of this, and so adamant that leaving isn't going to happen.

I'm adamant about the SEC not happening, unfortunately. I just don't see us ever getting the votes. We would have to convince a lot of schools to change their minds. That's why at this point i'm not really sure. I'm under the impression we wouldn't do the Big 12 without several partners, and we wouldn't be accepted into the SEC. Not too many options.

Another question is this...what happens if the ACC gets Louisville? Of course there are many on here that would oppose anything the ACC does, but would that make people that count happy (Clemson, Notre Dame, GT, FSU)? If the ACC voted down West Virginia, would they really vote in Louisville? And what would Notre Dame do? I am still under the impression that Notre Dame made the deal with the ACC to eventually get in full-time, in football. Does this change that? For the better or worse?

Lots of wildcards at the moment.

11/27 1:50 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by Micco:The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program. Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.

Exactly. It amazes me how many people don't believe this.

Not only do they not believe it, they speak out against the administration and call them names. Everyone's an expert on the message boards.

11/27 1:39 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by moz9:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by Micco:The administration, including Barron and chairman Bense are not ostriches, but there is more at stake here than the football program. Leadership was engaged last year and remain so.

Exactly. It amazes me how many people don't believe this.

Not only do they not believe it, they speak out against the administration and call them names. Everyone's an expert on the message boards.

Not trying to be a prick, but what exactly are these other things at stake? I hear people say academics. I say okay, please explain, and they either ignore the post or say it is too complicated to explain on a message board or something like that. I know Barron and a lot of the faculty are proud of the ACC affiliation as are a number of posters here. I just don't see what tangible benefit there is to it.

I am genuinely interested. I'd love to hear what it is.

11/27 1:47 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by samdingo:

Not trying to be a prick, but what exactly are these other things at stake? I hear people say academics. I say okay, please explain, and they either ignore the post or say it is too complicated to explain on a message board or something like that. I know Barron and a lot of the faculty are proud of the ACC affiliation as are a number of posters here. I just don't see what tangible benefit there is to it.

I am genuinely interested. I'd love to hear what it is.

Academic funding, the ACC has a consortium which was just started a few years ago with the eventual goal of becoming like the Big 10's. Basically the goal is to share academic research and funding. If you're associated with the Duke's of the world that could become very beneficial.

University gifting. Will changes in the athletic affiliation affect Booster gifting? Will our donors, who primarily aren't located in the midwest and are located up and down the east coast, still contribute to the program if they never have any interaction with it? Will that have a side-effect of academic gifting?

What are the positives? Increased football ticket sales? Increased donations?

It's not as simple as "we'll make X dollars more per year being in X conference because of TV money", but these are definitely things to consider.

This post was edited on 11/27 2:05 PM by 71/BORASCH/06

11/27 1:58 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by samdingo:

Not trying to be a prick, but what exactly are these other things at stake? I hear people say academics. I say okay, please explain, and they either ignore the post or say it is too complicated to explain on a message board or something like that. I know Barron and a lot of the faculty are proud of the ACC affiliation as are a number of posters here. I just don't see what tangible benefit there is to it.

I am genuinely interested. I'd love to hear what it is.

Academic funding, the ACC has a consortium which was just started a few years ago with the eventual goal of becoming like the Big 10's. Basically the goal is to share academic research and funding. If you're associated with the Duke's of the world that become very beneficial.

University gifting. Will changes in the athletic affiliation affect Booster gifting? Will our donors, who primarily aren't located in the midwest and are located up and down the east coast, still contribute to the program if they never have any interaction with it? Will that have a side-effect of academic gifting?

What are the positives? Increased football ticket sales? Increased donations?

It's not as simple as "we'll make X dollars more per year being in X conference because of TV money", but these are definitely things to consider.

Sorry, I was speaking more to the SEC than the Big XII which in that circumstance it's a no brainer to me, but the SEC does have a similar arrangement... and it only took the ACC 20 years to get this one going.

11/27 2:13 PM | IP: Logged

Joining the SEC will give us plenty of weekends like this last one. Some team running right down our throats. UT as bead as they were beat NC State with little problem and we scored 16 points. People lets get real here. FSU will struggle in the SEC with the current staff in place.

11/27 2:16 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by alwaysgr8fsu:

Joining the SEC will give us plenty of weekends like this last one. Some team running right down our throats. UT as bead as they were beat NC State with little problem and we scored 16 points. People lets get real here. FSU will struggle in the SEC with the current staff in place.

Well, looks like about 1/3 to 1/2 of the current staff will be heading to the Blue Grass state.

So, you'll get your wish.

FWIW, I agree we need some vitality in our coaching staff. Schemes, play calling, and mental preparedness seem stale.

11/27 2:18 PM | IP: Logged

Borasch...you talk alot about votes. Are you telling us that you KNOW what the votes were in the SEC regarding FSU?

How would you know if the vote was never cast?

Enlighten us with your wisdom as to what SEC schools were in favor of FSU and those who weren't.

The problem with coming on a message board acting like a know it all, is that people are going to call you out on it, and if you dont back up your talk you just look like a message board playstation all american that talks a bunch of ish.

11/27 2:07 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by rob90:Borasch...you talk alot about votes. Are you telling us that you KNOW what the votes were in the SEC regarding FSU?

How would you know if the vote was never cast?

Enlighten us with your wisdom as to what SEC schools were in favor of FSU and those who weren't.

The problem with coming on a message board acting like a know it all, is that people are going to call you out on it, and if you dont back up your talk you just look like a message board playstation all american that talks a bunch of ish.

Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

What say you?

This post was edited on 11/27 2:54 PM by whomp1111

11/27 2:54 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you? Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Of course Whompster! Anything for you bud.

It's this simple...

NBC has said they wanted to expand their college football coverage. Why get only ND...when you get could part of an entire conference which included 2 ratings monsters, FSU and Miami? And then have Clemson as well? ND would get more than $15 million per year (what they get now) from the ACC's new NBC/Fox/ESPN/whoever contract. They need to fill their schedule. They're already in for other sports. Their only drawback is not getting 100% of their bowl money, but i think they would make that up in other ways. Not to mention ND is already going to get better bowls for the ACC with the 5 games per year contract they have now.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

That's why dude!

11/27 3:17 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you? Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this.

11/28 10:13 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by whomp1111:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you? Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this.

Agreed. This is the broad absolute statement with NO backup whatsoever I have seen in a long time.

What's funny, is that not only is there no factual basis for it, it's directly opposite of what both ND and Swoffard said.

It's one thing to speculate that there was some other deal in place (I believe such speculation is born of nothing more than a belief that it *has* to be true because the ACC simply can't have been *that* clueless, but I both disagree and digress); it's another thing to claim it as fact with nothing to base the claim on and when you have to assume both the ACC and ND are liars.

11/28 2:09 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by whomp1111:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you? Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this.

No proof that can be linked. Like the "gentleman's agreement" in the SEC.

11/28 10:31 AM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

Originally posted by 71/BORASCH/06:

Originally posted by whomp1111:

What say you? Also, please enlighten us on why you are so sure on ND being added to the ACC. I would think that FSU going to the SEC is more likely to happen than ND joining the ACC.

Plus, the agreement they made with the ACC was that they would eventually join the conference for football full-time.

Please provide poof of this agreement because this is the very first I have heard of this.

No proof that can be linked. Like the "gentleman's agreement" in the SEC.

The so called gentemen's agreement is not a contract. It;s not an agreement. It's not enforceable. If UF of USC or UGA decide to vote to allow in FSU, or Clemson, or GTech, they can. It's more an alliance born of perceived self interest than anything else.

That's totally uncomparable to your claim, except insofar as any informal discussions about this issue are totally unenforceable, and if the ACC did this deal on ND's suggestion it may agree later, the ACC got punked. A deal is what is contained in the written contract, nothing more. And, the public statements by both parties contradict the very idea of such an agreement, even an informal and unenforceable one.

Another problem is you can see the mutual self interest between the SEC "gentlemen." There is no similar mutual self interest between the ACC and ND. ND already has ALL IT WANTS in the current deal. It locks in 5 games a year, making sure it can fill a schedule. It only shares the revenue for half of them, which provides a basis for it's continued TV value as an independent. It parks its non-revenue sports in an admittedly strong ACC for those sports. It gets bowl deals it would not otherwise have, and won't get any more out of being a full football member.

For you to believe ND will join completely, you have to believe that it has a desire to give up it's storied independence, share money so it makes LESS than it will alone, and really get nothing in return, as the contract between it and the ACC locks in all the goodies for nothing for years to come.

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People are starting to take about the ACC like we started talking about the Big East when we took UM and V-Tech. I think they are correct. In my opinion the ACC is on a death spiral.

1. in next 24 months FSU and one other good team, maybe more leaves the ACC2. in 5 years ACC is in the Big east, Mountain west, Conf USA play in of the tier II schools

in 5 years there are 3 classes of conferences1. the haves2. the have nots3. the small schools you beat up at the beginning of each season Leagues like the Big east and the ACC will not even argue they are second tier in five years the difference will be so drastic it will be obvious. In five years we are not talking about 5 - 7 million a year difference in budgets but 100% differences in budgets. The FSU DC in 5 years will make more that Dukes, NC state, V-Techs head coach.

I am still relatively hopeful we will be gone. Quite honestly it is all about money and we are worth a lot of money. We need to start looking to get out and jump when the opportunity presents itself. The ACC as a big league conference will not exist in 4-5 years.