Comments on Deconstructing the Gracie Mythology (Part 1)TypePad2014-05-24T12:41:54ZThomas Nadelhofferhttp://philosophycommons.typepad.com/the_grumpy_grappler/tag:typepad.com,2003:http://philosophycommons.typepad.com/the_grumpy_grappler/2014/06/deconstructing-the-gracie-mythology/comments/atom.xml/Martin Buuri Kaburia commented on 'Deconstructing the Gracie Mythology (Part 1)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a01901e204628970b01b8d291a503970c2017-06-30T10:10:43Z2017-07-20T13:27:47ZMartin Buuri Kaburiahttp://medphysiology.uonbi.ac.ke/Kind of you to share<p>Kind of you to share</p>BJJ_SpdrGrd commented on 'Deconstructing the Gracie Mythology (Part 1)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a01901e204628970b01b8d28a262c970c2017-06-07T01:51:52Z2017-06-07T01:51:52ZBJJ_SpdrGrdNo mention of Carlson anywhere - how typical. Without Carlson we wouldn't be having this conversation. The Gracie's didn't want...<p>No mention of Carlson anywhere - how typical. Without Carlson we wouldn&#39;t be having this conversation. </p>
<p>The Gracie&#39;s didn&#39;t want to teach the outside world Jiu Jitsu. Also, no one outside the Gracie family was allowed to be a black belt. Until Carlson fought for and regain legitimacy in the Gracie name and opened his own schools to ANYONE. Against the family wishes, he taught his students ALL of his knowledge, which is why they disowned him. His students started beating the Helio side&#39;s students, so the Gracie side had to step it up and accept that JJ was out there for the world.</p>
<p>Carlson is the reason we know what &quot;Gracie Jiu Jitsu&quot; is. He suffered a tremendous amount of stress and consequences. Like the time he came to America to setup his 1st school, and the house he bought for the family to live in was sold unbeknownst to him by his brother Carlos Jr. When he came back home, he was not allowed in his own house which no longer belonged to him. </p>
<p>Also, there were several other Brazilian families at the time developing fighting styles of Jiu Jitsu. There&#39;s a huge part of BJJ history missing from this article and going by what you find online - you&#39;re just taking more incomplete information trying to formulate something coherent. </p>
<p>If you want the truth, talk to the old school Carlson guys. Talk to other older Brazilians. Go hear it from them 1st. You won&#39;t find these stories on &quot;the Google&quot;.</p>Chris commented on 'Deconstructing the Gracie Mythology (Part 1)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a01901e204628970b01b8d27b88c9970c2017-04-25T01:26:31Z2017-05-02T01:21:27ZChrisLet's just take one assumptions.Your assumptions of Helio's health and size as compared to other challengers is fatally flawed. You...<p>Let&#39;s just take one assumptions.Your assumptions of Helio&#39;s health and size as compared to other challengers is fatally flawed. You share zero proof that he was NOT thin, smaller and had some health issues. You just compare him to the size of one of his thousands of opponents. How you can try to basically make the claim you KNOW Helio was not frail and do not have health problems is just beyond reckless. </p>Chris commented on 'Deconstructing the Gracie Mythology (Part 1)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a01901e204628970b01bb098b8f77970d2017-04-02T01:54:49Z2017-04-13T10:09:49ZChrisFirst, Helio Gracie did not invent leverage. I think nature and science did that part. But in seriousness, it was...<p>First, Helio Gracie did not invent leverage. I think nature and science did that part. But in seriousness, it was Jigoro Kano who placed an emphasis on leverage so that a smaller man could throw a big man. Therefore, using leverage was already in judo therefore if judo came before BJJ, how could have Helio invented something that was already there?</p>
<p>Secondly, the Gracies often like to exaggerate the size differential of a lot of their famous matches but the Gracies are NOT small and frail people. Helio was not frail. He was a tall man. Much taller than Kimura if you look at the match on Youtube.</p>
<p>Royce Gracie is not a small man either. He&#39;s 6&#39; 1&quot;. </p>
<p>Rener is 6&#39; 3&quot;! He doesn&#39;t need BJJ to fight someone off. He can just hold his arm out!</p>
<p>So then why didn&#39;t Royler Gracie, 5&#39; 8&quot; and technically better than Royce at the time of UFC 1, get into the octagon? Because he would have been at a significant disadvantage against skilled fighters at 5&#39; 8&quot;. </p>
<p>Size DOES matter except when the Gracies retell their stories and make it sound like all the Gracies are tiny people fighting giants. </p>