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[quote name='reroll' timestamp='1335350022' post='2958946']
I'm sorry, a fair war? Statistically speaking, TBW had zero chance to defeat RE. This is not a reflection on TBW as an Alliance, just a simple examination of numbers. It would be statistically impossible for TBW to defeat RE. A fair war indeed.
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That's why we declared on SUN as well. If TBW and SUN are incapable of communicating and coordinating counter attacks back on RE, how is this our problem? We gave them a perfect opportunity to strike back together, it's up to them whether or not that they do it.

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I have been watching this spiral out of control with detached interest. However the point has come where i feel i have to act as of 2230 GMT Sheperd has been releived of Military Command of LoSS TE.

TE is a training ground for LoSS SE mil staff, in this case errors were made and lessons were learned. I would like to apologise to RE on behalf of LoSS TE. I have ordered all miltary attacks to be peaced out.

I have spoken to Stelios and Jraenar on IRC about this and hope that this will go some way to restoring normal war time to Planet Steve.

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[quote name='p8ntballerdude' timestamp='1335390795' post='2959204']
I have been watching this spiral out of control with detached interest. However the point has come where i feel i have to act as of 2230 GMT Sheperd has been releived of Military Command of LoSS TE.

TE is a training ground for LoSS SE mil staff, in this case errors were made and lessons were learned. I would like to apologise to RE on behalf of LoSS TE. I have ordered all miltary attacks to be peaced out.

I have spoken to Stelios and Jraenar on IRC about this and hope that this will go some way to restoring normal war time to Planet Steve.
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There has been no peace agreement with LoSS. There were some discussions with p8ntballerdude, in which the topic of stepping in was brought up. It's a start, but it does not negate the terrible moves already made on the part of the former LoSS "government".

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[quote name='jraenar' timestamp='1335545770' post='2960139']
There has been no peace agreement with LoSS. There were some discussions with p8ntballerdude, in which the topic of stepping in was brought up. It's a start, but it does not negate the terrible moves already made on the part of the former LoSS "government".
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[quote name='jraenar' timestamp='1335545770' post='2960139']
There has been no peace agreement with LoSS. There were some discussions with p8ntballerdude, in which the topic of stepping in was brought up. It's a start, but it does not negate the terrible moves already made on the part of the former LoSS "government".
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This is causing me grave emotional distress jraenar. My skull throne has too many skulls now and I am having to stack the extras in pyramids on the front lawn. The wife just won't shut up about it. She complains they block the view.

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[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1335355197' post='2958954']
What's funny is the people whining about treaties and unfair wars, when most that are whinning here have used treaties or been in unfair wars to their advantage.

This is TE, there are no rules or set codec on whats acceptable or not, if you dislike something then deal with it, instead of crying on here like a whiny 12 year old girl.
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People are not "whining", they are discussing things. That's a juvenile terminology, IMHO.
There are no rules in TE? I'm not sure how long have you been in TE, but there are "unwritten" rules or rather an established practice.

The established AAs here, when they are breaking those rules, do know that. They are just doing a lot of PR work, creating huge smoke screens and working diplomacy connections as hard as they can

TE isn't just a "shooting range" for SE, it's a game on it's own, just similar in hardware/software lol. So, when the new TE members move into TE enmasse with your alliance mates from SE without prior proper experience of your leaders (at least), you behave like a huge elephant in a small shop-booth.
If you are new, take time to look around and learn how this planet works (It's a different planet, btw ).

[size="6"]Oh yeah - this is my opinion only and it doesn't represent the opinion of my alliance or of TPC gov. I have the lowliest rank there[/size]

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[quote name='Aeros' timestamp='1335576566' post='2960251']
It should also be noted that mistakes on Steve are more costly then on Bob. If you are destroyed here, there is no aid function to restore you. Your nation ceases to exist.
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NO!!!!! Daddy Stelios and Uncle jraenar will show you why you shouldn't destroy my nation!!!!!!

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[quote name='kongland' timestamp='1335576206' post='2960249']
[b]People are not "whining", they are discussing things. That's a juvenile terminology, IMHO.[/b]
[b]There are no rules in TE?[/b] I'm not sure how long have you been in TE, but there are "unwritten" rules or rather an established practice.

The established AAs here, when they are breaking those rules, do know that. They are just doing a lot of PR work, creating huge smoke screens and working diplomacy connections as hard as they can

TE isn't just a "shooting range" for SE, it's a game on it's own, just similar in hardware/software lol. So, when the new TE members move into TE enmasse with your alliance mates from SE without prior proper experience of your leaders (at least), you behave like a huge elephant in a small shop-booth.
If you are new, take time to look around and learn how this planet works (It's a different planet, btw ).

[size="6"]Oh yeah - this is my opinion only and it doesn't represent the opinion of my alliance or of TPC gov. I have the lowliest rank there[/size]

Good luck with sttling in TE.
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If it looks like whining, sounds like whining and comes across as whining, then it probably is whining.

And I have been playing since round 1

This is why this place fails, because people like to make up rules that fit their purpose. This is why this world will eventually in the near future cease to exsist. because people that makes rules on something as simple as war games between opponents kills the [ooc]play-ability[ooc] and this realm, so excuse me if I don't conform to your guide of "[i]unwritten[/i]" rules or codec on how to play.

TE is a shooting range for SE, more and more alliances use this place to educate their noobs or seasonal players on micro management.

Again yadda yadda confforming to the rules set by alliances from previous rounds has done this place such a good service, and not completley stagnated the world. Next your going to tell me this place is booming and were going to go back to having 3k plus nation rulers battling it out in en-mass wars with no holds barred attitudes and warfare.

Sorry to disagree with you.

edit: sorry i never responded sooner, i turn of notifications and somehow missed this post.

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[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1335872744' post='2961565']
If it looks like whining, sounds like whining and comes across as whining, then it probably is whining.

And I have been playing since round 1

This is why this place fails, because people like to make up rules that fit their purpose. This is why this world will eventually in the near future cease to exsist. because people that makes rules on something as simple as war games between opponents kills the [ooc]play-ability[ooc] and this realm, so excuse me if I don't conform to your guide of "[i]unwritten[/i]" rules or codec on how to play.

TE is a shooting range for SE, more and more alliances use this place to educate their noobs or seasonal players on micro management.

Again yadda yadda confforming to the rules set by alliances from previous rounds has done this place such a good service, and not completley stagnated the world. Next your going to tell me this place is booming and were going to go back to having 3k plus nation rulers battling it out in en-mass wars with no holds barred attitudes and warfare.

Sorry to disagree with you.

edit: sorry i never responded sooner, i turn of notifications and somehow missed this post.
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I'm just reflecting on the reality, which exists here for a while. I'm far from trying to convince anybody in anything here. It's futile.
This place is not booming and I couldn't find anything in my post where I could've implied such a ridiculous train of thought.

You are entitled to your own opinion or to a wishful thinking - whatever. I'm describing what does exsist at the moment.
If TE is a shooting range for you personally - that's fine. I'm not playing SE as such (just keeping my presence there), so SE is nothing for me and TE is the only game I have, ok? Our points of view are different and let leave it this way.

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Man, people are really crying over non-nuke nations getting nuked while at war? That is ridiculous. If you don't want non-nuke nations getting nuked, don't war. Ever. Otherwise, expect it. I do and I would not care if I got nuked (more casualties). TE is meant for war and war is hell.

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Not crying. We're calling LoSS cowards for waiting until the day after the start of our war with SUN, then choosing exclusively non-nuke targets when all the RE nations with nukes already had all three offensive war slots engaged. I believe they hoped that would rule out counter-attacks from us.

You will notice that all the LoSS nations involved are either gone from this world, or soon will be. Actions have consequences. It took a few extra days, but that was not enough to save them from destruction.

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[quote name='Aeros' timestamp='1335576566' post='2960251']
It should also be noted that mistakes on Steve are more costly then on Bob. If you are destroyed here, there is no aid function to restore you. Your nation ceases to exist.
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I don't know about all that I have come back from the dead a couple of times in TE. [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/war2.gif[/img]

[quote name='Vukland' timestamp='1335917396' post='2961900']
I don't know about all that I have come back from the dead a couple of times in TE. [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/war2.gif[/img]
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As have I, though it seems LoSS has not. I got a single offer of peace which I responded to with defeat alerts and unescorted bombing runs. This is Steve. I will only consider peace if the target has fought first. Especially if said target had more infra then me when I declared. Perhaps they wish to come back from the dead too? I understand that can't happen until I release the corpse from my clutches.

I suppose we should chalk this up to invaders from Bob not understanding how Steve works. Hopefully they will know better next time. Fun thing about Steve, there is always a next time

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[quote name='jraenar' timestamp='1335915010' post='2961882']
Not crying. We're calling LoSS cowards for waiting until the day after the start of our war with SUN, then choosing exclusively non-nuke targets when all the RE nations with nukes already had all three offensive war slots engaged. I believe they hoped that would rule out counter-attacks from us.

You will notice that all the LoSS nations involved are either gone from this world, or soon will be. Actions have consequences. It took a few extra days, but that was not enough to save them from destruction.
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LOL cowards is following orders cowardly NO IT IS NOT. As stated before one person made the mistake the other guys to give credit where credit is due followed the orders from the top.

Funny enough the loss nations are still around much depleted yes agreed but are still here all the same.

personally i cant believe that people are posting in this thread - old news now i mean come on lets all move along now.