Al Gore can’t tell time – thinks most recent Climategate email is more than 10 years old

Al Gore apparently has no command of the most basic details of anything related to Earth and climate. His last idiotic gaff in the media was that the temperature of the Earth 2 kilometers or so down was millions of degrees! Apparently, Slate editors who look equally like dufuses for printing this dreck didn’t notice his latest one either. Maybe all those trips around the world in the private jet have damaged his ability to tell the time and date? Too many trip across the International Dateline perhaps?

Q: How damaging to your argument was the disclosure of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University?

A: To paraphrase Shakespeare, it’s sound and fury signifying nothing. I haven’t read all the e-mails, but the most recent one is more than 10 years old. These private exchanges between these scientists do not in any way cause any question about the scientific consensus. But the noise machine built by the climate deniers often seizes on what they can blow out of proportion, so they’ve thought this is a bigger deal than it is.

But wait there’s more…

Q: There is a sense in these e-mails, though, that data was hidden and hoarded, which is the opposite of the case you make [in your book] about having an open and fair debate.

A: I think it’s been taken wildly out of context. The discussion you’re referring to was about two papers that two of these scientists felt shouldn’t be accepted as part of the IPCC report. Both of them, in fact, were included, referenced, and discussed. So an e-mail exchange more than 10 years ago including somebody’s opinion that a particular study isn’t any good is one thing, but the fact that the study ended up being included and discussed anyway is a more powerful comment on what the result of the scientific process really is.

These people are examining what they can or should do to deal with the P.R. dimensions of this, but where the scientific consensus is concerned, it’s completely unchanged. What we’re seeing is a set of changes worldwide that just make this discussion over 10-year-old e-mails kind of silly.

Earth to Al, Earth to Al, come in Al.

Despite the fact that some of the 10 year old emails discussed important issues like the 2001 IPCC report and what made it into it…the most recent emails in Climategate were from November 2009. Last month, this year, earth time.

For example, here’s one from November 12th from Phil Jones:

click image to see source email

And there are dozens to hundreds more within the last month, the last year, and the last 10 years.

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Has anyone asked him how he feels about Professor Jaap
Sinninghe Damste findings that “the melting and freezing of moisture on top of Kilimanjaro appears to
be part of “a natural process of dry and wet periods.” The present
melting is not the result of “environmental damage caused by man.”

President Gore (well, almost, it was stolen by hanging chads and butterfly ballots) will be remembered as the prophet of our new austerity.

All of you who maintain the temerity to undermine the Prophet Gore’s proclamations take heed: Nowhere is a safe-haven, and all of your e-mails are easily retrieved for future reference. As we have indeed seen recently, courtesy of hackers paid by the Russian secret service.

Oh wait, I’ve just done a little math. He says the last email is 10 years old, but it is from Nov. 12. That is about 25 and a bit days ago. So he is out by a factor of:

(365 * 10) / 25 = 146

Later he says the northern ice cap has been the same size for 3 million years. Well it happens many of us were under a couple of miles of northern ice cap ice about 20,000 years ago. So there he is out by a factor of

3,000,000 / 20,000 = 150

So it seems that Al Gore isn’t lying or even wrong, he’s just quite slow. In fact his internal clock must be running about 150 times slower than normal.

Hmm, that may explain why his many predictions are so far off as well.

To commemerate his failures I’ve bought a brand-new shovel [I got a cheapy last year and it didn’t bear up well – this new model is more robust] and named it “Al Gore”. I expect this newest version will bear up well here in Buffalo, shoveling all this global warming of his.

“10 years ago” was the value added adjusted date of the emails. Apparently the mail server was using tree ring data to time stamp the emails. This is all a result of the divergence problem, which has already been well publicized in the past. Nice try though.

Al fails again, like, divinity, law and science. But keeps his title as the century’s biggest con-man, loved by the media, school teachers and kindergarten students for trying to save those drowning polar bears.

This is the classic problem of a person surrounded by flappers and sycophants who has no personal touch with reality. Like when Bush Senior first saw a price scanner and it was in the news that he was a bit clueless about everyday life. When someone else buys all your food for you, you lose touch with ‘food store reality” and when someone else buys your thoughts for you …

So yeah, Mr. Talking Head had a flapper load the daily talking points memo from the PR team (who likely didn’t read anything themselves either, having gotten a warped version from their executive assistants who got it from their aids…) and it got a bit garbled in the upload…

But hey, at least he doesn’t have to depend on a teleprompter… or maybe he is reaching That Age where he does need one…

It doesn’t really matter anyway, tomorrow is another day and a new talking points briefing and another paid luncheon and it’s all about seeing and being seen and only underlings and gophers deal with real facts anyway and he’ll be in a nice suit and talking to the next media Talking Head exchanging the days bee-bread for Royal Jelly…

“The result is a surprisingly accomplished, nuanced piece of writing. The images Gore conjures in his (untitled) poem turn a neat trick: they are visually specific and emotionally arresting even as they are scientifically accurate.”

I used to wonder when my American friends would take me aside and speak to me confidentially saying “You guys know that Al Gore is an idiot don’t you?”. Like someone taking you aside as you are about to part with your hard earned money for some “snake oil” cure all remedy.

Well now I really do get it. He seems to have a spring loaded mechanism that rams his foot into his mouth whenever he speaks.

Al Gore also said “The entire North Polar ice cap is disappearing before our very eyes. It’s been the size of the continental United States for the last 3 million years”. Such a deep knowledge he has of what it was like before the Holocene!

To people flying around up in the stratosphere (both literally and figuratively) divorced from any semblence of association with objective science, what’s a couple million degrees one way or the other. . .

And consider this: What level and weight of hard scientific evidence do y’all think would be required; before Gore and the AGW ”true believers” would be willing to stand up and admit they were wrong ?? . .
That’s right:

Just like the Inquisition convicted Galileo of heresy for saying that the earth went around the sun instead of the other way around, EVEN THOUGH other astronomers independently confirmed Galileo’s hard observational facts:
Vast hoardes of starry-eyed AGW lemmings are probably beyond reach.
One can only hope there are still enough people in the ”sensible center” to carry the day in the end. Otherwise it’s turn out the lights; the party’s over; and it’s back to the dark ages. . . .

Can you imagine all the reporters, journalists and writers who work for CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and the BBC who are forbidden to write a story about Climategete at the threat of being fired by their bosses? I can imagine many of them just itching to write about about a climategate story if their bosses would just only let them. Must stink to work for those companies.

Al Gore knows that his followers are sheep. If he says that the latest email is more than 10 years old they will believe him. None of them will check because they are believers not sceptics (skeptics) whatever….

Down in Oz, Australian of the year, Tim Flannery, Climate Alarmist No.1 did this calculation in an article in a leading Alarmist newspaper (The Melbourne Age). Flannery claims to be a scientist. Of what, I don’t know.

Paraphrasing…..
Average global temperature in 1900 was 15C. Now it’s 20C. That’s a 25% increase in temperature!

Check…. (unless it has been modified by the Age… which has been know to happen when they get caught out… in that case I kept a PDF as evidence)

An economist, Terry McCrannt pointed out that its actually (based on Flannery’s figures) a 33% increase. He went on to say that if Flannery can’t undertake that basic calculation why should we believe anything he says.

Now for the interesting bit. McCrannt received dozens of emails pointing out another dishonest part of Flannery’s calculation. Why didn’t he use the Kelvin scale? (I know this because I wrote to McCrannt and he replied to me)

In that case the numbers are (roughly) 288K in 1900 and 293K now. That leads to 5/288 = 1.7%

I noticed two things (apart from Flannery’s rubbery figures)

1. His supporters immediately rallied to his defence and went on to rail against these evil, extermist deniers. How could they question the Australian of the year regardless of the fact that he can’t do a basic calculation.

2. Nobody cared about the fundemental issue about the Kelvin scale.

But…. here is the kicker in my mind (as well as a whole lot of other people)

According to the Warmers, variability in Solar output is only 0.1%

Temperature increase over the past 100 years is around 0.5K (shoot me if I’m wrong… It’s a rough estimate)

Al Gore, the man of infinite talent, obviously lives in the future… it’s 2019 for him. Which tells us several things:
1. The Mayan Armageddon of 2012 is not going to happen. We’re good on that one. Won’t we all breathe a sigh of relief!

2. Unfortunately, while the Mayans forecast didn’t come true, apparently the center of the earth in 2019 has attained several million degrees… so it’s getting a bit toasty around those geothermal generation plants. Oh, and the bottom of the Grand Canyon is kinda molten… but it’s pretty at night with the lava and all.

3. Al is running his house on that free energy that the oil companies bought the patents to, and hid. Which means that in the next ten years we can generate electricity in our basements, apparently out of wishful thinking and maybe cat poop. So we should stop criticizing him for his extra large carbon footprint… he isn’t really making one, but he just can’t tell us because the technology is in our future. And if he told us how to do it, the Large Hadron Collider would implode and …. ummm….

It is and has been clear to me and to most of the readers of this blog that the mind of Mr. Al Gore has turned to mush.
I think he has now taken leave of his senses, reality is now a distant concept to Mr. Al Gore, like many of the Copenhagen delegates.
Latest off the press, from the Met Office, 2009 warmest year since time (er no for 160yrs) began!!! – whatever – anything for a headline and the bunfight in Denmark goes on………….
But what about El nino?
We’ve been here before I guess, anyhow must be correct because their mates at the CRU says so.

How much longer can this guy roam around spruiking his nonsense before he gets locked up?

There must be some very nervous GIM investors following his meanderings and drivel at the moment. I read that the Church of England had recently placed 150 million GBP into GIM’s safe-keeping. What are they expecting? Whose idea was that?

This stuff actually scares me, because Joe Public still thinks Al is the Oracle. If Al says the most recent e-mail is ten years old and it’s irrelevant because the research that was potentially going to be excluded was included, Joe Public swallows this more easily than if any other stiff said it. It’s disgusting, but true. It simply makes the effort required to refute his rubbish that much more strenuous, and I’m sure he knows this … which just demonstrates what a partisan wanker he is.

The sad thing about all this is that eventually, people will wake up and realize that they haven’t been duped this bad in a LOOOOOOOOOONG time.

When they do, Science, the media and Politics will drift below car salesman in terms of trust and credibility.

Now, the media and politics….yeah whatever…..democracy needs to get back to an honest place and most people I feel sure will have that constant inkling of doubt and skepticism to varying degrees.

Science, now that really makes me sad. I grew up with people like Magnis Pike telling me the reason why it’s easier to pull a grass roller than push it (I didn’t realize till 5th form that I’d learned all about vectors by watching ‘don’t ask me’ from the age of 5)

That is what science is supposed to be…. people who care about truth ….. that’s what science is supposed to be!!

To see it go down in flames for political reasons, now that is what these people will need to go on trial for when this is all over.

The more I read about him, the less I think he’s intelligent and the more I think he’s a puppet. All anyone need do is pull the little string in his back and watch him recite from his vague and somewhat cloudy mind. Which of course concerns me. If he’s not in control of his faculties, who is?

Also, I think it is just pure coincidence that he was able to separate himself from Copenhagen. Or is it that rats are the first to know when a ship is sinking. We will never know.

I had even held this small belief, that Al Gore was some kind of mastermind behind the creation of Global Warming. I am having to rethink that logic.
There is no way he is smart enough to pull off a 20-plus year crusade to hide the decline and manufacture data to support AGW. He’s just too stupid.

I guess I’ll have to look for the real villain behind the man bear pig we have all come to despise.

“The result is a surprisingly accomplished, nuanced piece of writing. The images Gore conjures in his (untitled) poem turn a neat trick: they are visually specific and emotionally arresting”

The poem reads like it has been written by a computer – a series of words chosen randomly then parsed for rhyme and rythm. I assume the critic knew who the poet was before making his comments.

There was once a case where someone trained a monkey to paint. The result was a kind of abstract art in the extreme, which elicited exuberant praise from the art critics. Using their highly trained artiistic knowledge they were able to tell the audience how skillfully the artist used light, colour and form to bring a deeper understanding to the subject matter in hand.

I am not trying to compare Al Gore with a monkey however. Just sayin’.

The Real issue here is not what Al Gore remembers or what those emails contain ( i think they have been quoted way out of context). we have to analyze whether climate change is real and even more than that whether renewable energy and efficient use of energy is the way forward. i personally think that it is the way forward. i also think that if oil was still continuing its upward climb like last year most people would have been taking renewable energy far more seriously. A nice view of the same can be read here http://www.green-global.net/blog.aspx

If your reputation and livelihood depends on the facts of climate change do you not think you should actually know the facts. He routinely utters complete gibberish and falsehoods and is rarely taken to task on them and when he is regardless of the outcome claims he won.

Letter to Time – might as well put it here since I very much doubt if Time possess enough integrity yo publish:

“You recently reported Al Gore saying that the climategate emails didn’t matter because “the most recent one is more than 10 years old”. I realise that numerical accuracy is not a strong point with true believers but I feel entitled to ask you to accept that among the emails leaked is one from Professor Jones saying that they would not answer an email question from me because I was a “prat” (its ok I hold a considerably lower opinion of him). My email was dated 3rd October this year & he decided not to reply on the 5th. Even in Goreland that is not 10 years ago. “

$1200 a plate to meet the originator of the internet, the scourge of the cigarette industry and the savior of Gaia! What a bargain. In fact, the internet did fine without him, his family became rich from tobacco, and he’s a billionaire selling indulgences in artificial carbon credits. How backward can the world be? All from a man with an IQ rivaling several of my dogs and cats (added together).

The point is: lots of people will believe Gore. If he says the mails are old and irrelevant, they will not look farther. Why did the interviewer not call him on this? Is the interviewer that unprepared? Or was this a rigged stage?

Non resident question……
8 or so years ago when the Chadgate election drama was unfolding, if Bush had lost, would Al Gore have become President of the United States?

Wow! So close!

Be thankful for small mercies!

Far away in the Surrey Hills……..

”

hate to bust your bubble there but your respite was only temporary. Yes algore would have become president if he’d won and I doubt we could even imagine the negative consequences from that. The bad news is we won’t have to imagine anymore.

It looks like Al lives in a parallel universe. Or perhaps in his private bubble that keeps him out of contact wiht the real world. Would it be improper to call him “Bubble Boy” Gore?

Incidentally, speaking of parallel universes, the Tuesday CBC radio program “As It Happens” included an interview with Michael Mann from 2008 in which he gives a verbal description of the hockey stick and tells how the graph describes the temperature history of the last 1000 years. I heard a repeat broadcast just as I was turning in for the night, but will be sending a caustic note very soon.

Is it any wonder the only data record which conforms with the IPCC models when AGW is included are by those very scientists whose careers and credibility rest on AGW being proven? And those records are easily shown to diverge from reality (the raw temps).

“Problem is, when the hell are we going to get to that point? I see on the BBC this morning a news clippet about the UN sending a letter of support to UEA FFS!”

And in today’s newspaper there is an article titled “UN Data Back Record Warmth.” The final paragraph of the article reads: “The past few decades are the warmest period in at least 400 years and probably 1,000 years, based on evidence from tree rings, retreating glaciers and other scientific methods to track climate before record-keeping, according to a 2006 report by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences.”

The AGW crowd is fighting tooth and nail to drive back the forces of truth. And they must be fervently hoping and praying that no one is paying attention to the details.

I find that funny. Our “minister for climate change” Mr Milliband is on record for saying that, although he did not understand the science, he knew that AGW/CC was real and very, very bad.

As a curiosity: his twin brother connected to the Home Office, commented on the expulsion of Dutch politician that this was because this guy had made a very, very bad movie, which he (Milliband) had not seen himself, of course.

“I don’t know – not having been there and not seeing all the [made up] facts – what role [science] played in that, but I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us [Global Warming Experts] would be pretty angry; number two that the [Global Warming Skeptics] acted stupidly in [trying to use actual data] when there was already proof that [I am a complete idiot]”

He is trying to use a standard tactic from the playbook that was used so effectively when he was Vice President. Call a new scandal “old news” and pretend that all of the questions raised by the scandal have already been discussed, resolved, and put behind everyone. Nothing to see here. Move along. It’s all been “settled” long ago.

The Real issue here is not what Al Gore remembers or what those emails contain ( i think they have been quoted way out of context). we have to analyze whether climate change is real and even more than that whether renewable energy and efficient use of energy is the way forward. i personally think that it is the way forward. i also think that if oil was still continuing its upward climb like last year most people would have been taking renewable energy far more seriously.

Climate change is as real as the sunrise. Climate change started as soon as the earth had a climate. Sorry, that’s not the right question — it’s a dumb question.

The future requires more energy. Renewable energy will be part of that mix. The time to implement renewable energy is when it become economically viable and not before. As those technologies mature they will naturally be put to wider use.

There is no need to mandate the use of more renewables and certainly no need to force out existing, practical energy sources in favor of expensive and still experimental energy sources just because you believe they are better.

Somebody truly needs to get on the stick and manufacture Al Gore Warming Shovels and Global Warming Blowers. This is a business opportunity that should not be missed. I think some Al Gore Warming hats and gloves would be good for Oregon too since we are having windchill factors in the minus 30 range. Minus 30 folks! That’s frostbite in 15 minutes or less!

By the way, these low records for Central Oregon exceed the bottom limit of their climate zone in some areas. That means that rooted landscape plants could experience root damage or death from the hard freeze. If this continues for more years, climate zone designations could change.

Here are a few interesting quotes from the book, The Stupidest Things Ever Said by Politicians:

On Illegal Fund-Raisers at Buddhist Temples, Al Gore on:

Explanation number 1: It wasn’t a fund-raiser, it was a “community outreach event.”

Explanation number 2: It wasn’t a fund-raiser, it was just “finance-related.”

Explanation number 3: It wasn’t a fund-raiser, it was a “donor-maintenance meeting.”

There’s also this amusing tidbit:

On Historical Knowledge, Vice-Presidential:

“Who are these guys?”

Al Gore, referring to the busts of Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, and Lafayette on a televised tour of Monticello. (p. 109)

And this:

“A zebra cannot change its spots.” (p. 54)

And this:

On Senator’s Sons, Typical Days of:

“[My father] taught me how to clean out hog waste with a shovel and a hose. He taught me how to clear land with an ax. He taught me how to plow a steep hillside with a team of mules. He taught me how to take up hay all day long in the hot sun and then, after a dinner break, go help the neighbors take up hay before the rain came and spoiled it on the ground.”

Vice President Al Gore on the virtues of farm life, not mentioning that, as a rich senator’s son, all this was presumably learned on summer vacation from Harvard. A real farmer’s son, Republican National chairman Jim Nicholson, replied, “Mr. Vice President, with all due respect, you’re shoveling a lot more of it right now than you ever did back then.” (p. 141)

And this:

On Timing is Everything:

“[Due to pollution, cars pose] a mortal threat to the security of every nation.”

Senator Al Gore in his 1992 book, Earth in the Balance.

“Here in Motor City we recognize that cars have done more than fuel our commerce. Cars have freed the American spirit and given us the chance to chase our dreams.”

Vice President Al Gore — while gearing up for his 2000 presidential run — in a 1999 speech to the Economic club of Detroit. (p. 253)

Open Letter to Secretary-General of United Nations
His Excellency Ban Ki Moon
Secretary-General, United Nations
New York, NY
United States of America

8 December 2009

Dear Secretary-General,

Climate change science is in a period of ‘negative discovery’ – the more we learn about this exceptionally complex and rapidly evolving field the more we realize how little we know. Truly, the science is NOT settled.

Therefore, there is no sound reason to impose expensive and restrictive public policy decisions on the peoples of the Earth without first providing convincing evidence that human activities are causing dangerous climate change beyond that resulting from natural causes. Before any precipitate action is taken, we must have solid observational data demonstrating that recent changes in climate differ substantially from changes observed in the past and are well in excess of normal variations caused by solar cycles, ocean currents, changes in the Earth’s orbital parameters and other natural phenomena.

We the undersigned, being qualified in climate-related scientific disciplines, challenge the UNFCCC and supporters of the United Nations Climate Change Conference to produce convincing OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE for their claims of dangerous human-caused global warming and other changes in climate. Projections of possible future scenarios from unproven computer models of climate are not acceptable substitutes for real world data obtained through unbiased and rigorous scientific investigation.

Specifically, we challenge supporters of the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused climate change to demonstrate that:

1.Variations in global climate in the last hundred years are significantly outside the natural range experienced in previous centuries;

2.Humanity’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other ‘greenhouse gases’ (GHG) are having a dangerous impact on global climate;
3.Computer-based models can meaningfully replicate the impact of all of the natural factors that may significantly influence climate;
4.Sea levels are rising dangerously at a rate that has accelerated with increasing human GHG emissions, thereby threatening small islands and coastal communities;
5.The incidence of malaria is increasing due to recent climate changes;
6.Human society and natural ecosystems cannot adapt to foreseeable climate change as they have done in the past;
7.Worldwide glacier retreat, and sea ice melting in Polar Regions , is unusual and related to increases in human GHG emissions;
8.Polar bears and other Arctic and Antarctic wildlife are unable to adapt to anticipated local climate change effects, independent of the causes of those changes;
9.Hurricanes, other tropical cyclones and associated extreme weather events are increasing in severity and frequency;
10.Data recorded by ground-based stations are a reliable indicator of surface temperature trends.

It is not the responsibility of ‘climate realist’ scientists to prove that dangerous human-caused climate change is not happening. Rather, it is those who propose that it is, and promote the allocation of massive investments to solve the supposed ‘problem’, who have the obligation to convincingly demonstrate that recent climate change is not of mostly natural origin and, if we do nothing, catastrophic change will ensue. To date, this they have utterly failed to do so.

Sid,
At what cost? The main reason the price of oil climbed as it did is because people with your politics are keeping American oil in the ground, and trying to do the same thing with Canadian oil. How did the Great Leap Forward” work out for the Chinese? Do you remember? Probably not, but villages attempted to melt down their hand farming implements to make modern plows. Result, mass starvation.

And Sid, I ask this sincerely. How many times does the Left have to make the same mistake before you learn from it? Don’t you guys even have a song about it?

He is not pathological in any way. He is after his wallet. This is a too big business to lose it.
We, who do not participate in this global swindle and who do not share their unconsciousness, should say, instead, how a bad guy he is. Obviously he is the kind of guy who can do anything, but anything!, to get one more buck.

Gore may be wrong about the dates and the temperature of the Earth’s interior, but what about the two papers he mentions that were included in the IPCC report. Does anyone know which papers are being talked about?

Al Gore not only didn’t look carefully at the emails, his staff is incompetent, too. The most recent email is dated November 12, 2009. Apparently he didn’t bother to scroll down to the bottom of the page, but looked at the email on top, and assumed it was the most recent. This says a LOT about his general research method.

The AGW crowd is fighting…
There is not such a “crowd”. If we discard the ones that are paid by their “services” and naive populace believers, we are left with just a few bankers behind, and perhaps with just one.

I posit here that one can suppose that Gore’s poem was once less modernist. Using paleography mixed with a little dendrochronology, with a fudge factor of the number I first thought of, we can take this,

Then dirt is parched
Kindling is placed in the forest
For the lightning’s celebration

The shepherd cries
The hour of choosing has arrived
Here are your tools

and turn it into:

An old passion seeks heroes and friends who are young,
though the bell of the city bike needs a good clean.
On the hill is a ladder with a broken rung.

The shepherd cries, “Hey, voters are deluded fools!
The hour of choosing a global hoax has arrived!
I give you man-made warming; here, then, are your tools!”

I think these attacks on “The Goracle” are unfair and mean-spirited. The man can’t help himself. He has a “condition”. Show a little empathy for Pete’s sake! Imagine yourself unable to tell the truth, no matter how hard you tried, and every time you opened your mouth utter gibberish spewed out. Imagine the humiliation of getting up before a crowd and finding your mouth saying, “The Arctic Ice Cap will be completely melted in five years!” (four and counting now).

“Al Gore also said “The entire North Polar ice cap is disappearing before our very eyes. It’s been the size of the continental United States for the last 3 million years”. Such a deep knowledge he has of what it was like before the Holocene!”

You know, this trick of giving new interpretations to the word trick, and fudging data to mean anything you want, like making a decline into an incline works well across all the arts and sciences. Mr Gore, as always, sets the trends! For example,

I think it’s been taken wildly out of context. The discussion you’re referring to was about two papers that two of these scientists felt shouldn’t be accepted as part of the IPCC report. Both of them, in fact, were included, referenced, and discussed.

That really means:

I say and you must therefore believe me that these papers mean naught in the long run of things. The e-mail exchange which we shall not discuss was catfish strawberry shortcake with two delicious daiquiris bobcat hypotenuse, IPCC, I see a PC, CC Rider! I thought I saw a harpischord but, egad, it was a coloured buffalo. Hide this my lad, and you may have an autographed photo.

And now the Goracle tells us that climate change, the bad kind, natch, is just like gravity: “Gore replied that the scientific community has worked on this issue for 20 years. ‘It’s a principle in physics. It’s like gravity. It exists.'”

This was a fair comment. One problem with the way forward that you speak of is extremely high prices of fossil fuels. This is because the so called “renewables” are very expensive, and this necessitates artificially high prices on existing fuels to make these new fuels competitive. Fossil fuels are a finite resource. Yet, we have already located 1000 Gigatons of coal around the world, most of it in the USA. We have estimates of oil shale as high as 5 Trillion equivalent gallons of oil. Vast reserves of Natural Gas have been discovered in Alaska. Instead of chasing an expensive fantasy, we could simply continue to locate reserves, and while using them, plan for a future of nuclear energy, Biofuels, etc. There is no rationale for cutting our own throats to evade use of natural resources. The earth is not a religious shrine, the polar bears are ok (had one for lunch) and C02 (at a concentration of 4 molecules in every 10 THOUSAND) is a vital beneficial component of our atmosphere.

One of the best parts of the interview comes at the end. When it is suggested that one is being hypocritical if one is against war in the Middle East but still drives an SUV, Gore includes in his reply:

I drive a hybrid and we’ve changed our light bulbs and windows and installed solar panels and geothermal ground source heat pumps and most everything else.

The interviewer, naturally, completely fails to call him out on the extreme irony of this statement. I’m sure Gore owns a hybrid (after all, is son was caught driving one at aver 100 MPH), but his documented energy use is many, many multiples that of the average American, and thousands of times that which he is advocating we be forced to live with.

I’m sure Gore drives his Hybrid to all his book signings, and when he travels between his different homes, and going to Copenhagen he probably hopped a ride aboard a cargo freighter headed to Europe so as to avoid air travel. And gosh, his 10,000 square feet of mansion for two is sure efficient.

If Al Gore met Truth on the street, and Truth said “hello Al”, Al would look the other way and pretend not to know him. Indeed, perhaps Al would now no longer recognize him, since he’s been lying for so long. Truth became inconvenient to Al long ago.

Al Gore knows that his followers are sheep. If he says that the latest email is more than 10 years old they will believe him. None of them will check because they are believers not sceptics (skeptics) whatever….

Down in Oz, Australian of the year, Tim Flannery, Climate Alarmist No.1 did this calculation in an article in a leading Alarmist newspaper (The Melbourne Age). Flannery claims to be a scientist. Of what, I don’t know.

Paraphrasing…..
Average global temperature in 1900 was 15C. Now it’s 20C. That’s a 25% increase in temperature!

Check…. (unless it has been modified by the Age… which has been know to happen when they get caught out… in that case I kept a PDF as evidence)

An economist, Terry McCrannt pointed out that its actually (based on Flannery’s figures) a 33% increase. He went on to say that if Flannery can’t undertake that basic calculation why should we believe anything he says. “””

Well here in the land of the Rod/Stone/Fortnight system, the temperature only increased from 57F up to 68 F so that makes it only a 19.3 % increase.

A truely funny bumper sticker on one car around here – there aren’t many bumper stickers here in redneck country – was “Re elect Gore in 2004″. Unfortuneately, it was accompanied by another: ~”Live long and well, then die off”.

Oh the caring, the sensitivity, of our betters, “the audacious distortion of reality to reach the higher truths.”

Robinson (08:28:41) – It is a reference to an episode on “South Park” , an animated satire show here in the US . In this particular episode , Al Gore shows up in South Park to warn the residents of the dangers of Manbearpig – half man , half bear , half pig . Hope this helps . If you google it , you can probably find on the internet thingy .

Kate, thanks for the latest from M4GW. I suspect Gore must be visiting somewhere in the Upper Midwest right now. Temps are dropping like a rock over 20F below normal and those 30MPH sustained winds are dropping wind chills way below 0F (suppose to be -30F tonight). I have a nice new foot of snow drifting all over my yard. Please, please could we get some global warming.

Watching Gore the first word that came to mind was “smarmy”. Al Gore has positioned himself to become one of the most discredited human beings in history, and he seems to be wrapped up so deeply in his own blather that he doesn’t see it coming. Gore deserves a cell right next to Madoff’s…

“I suspect Gore must be visiting somewhere in the Upper Midwest right now. Temps are dropping like a rock over 20F below normal and those 30MPH sustained winds are dropping wind chills way below 0F”

And the Lord looked upon Gore and saw that he had spread great untruths that were a blasphemy upon this earth. And also the Lord saw that this Gore was causing great fear and the hearts of men to tremble with his blasphemies and that he had made the monies to disappear from the pockets of man and into his own account.

And a great anger came upon the Lord, whereupon he raised his staff and from heaven cried: “Gore I thee curse, and thou shalt suffer the cold and snows as of a mighty chill that shall follow thee unto the ends of this earth.”

I overlapped Al as a student at Harvard College during 1967-1969 (but never met him). During the 2000 Presidential campaign, I remember being underwhelmed by his academic record. His SAT aptitude scores were mediocre by Harvard standards, his achievement test scores in the sciences were abysmal, and his grades at Harvard were terrible. He did not take a single serious science or mathematics course as an undergraduate.

Supposedly this is due to greater warmth that has allowed a destructive beetle to extend its range. However, I read a rebuttal to this somewhere that put the blame elsewhere. (I think the author may even have partly blamed it on an unintended side effect of some environmental measure.)

Folks I have to say that I am getting tired of our trying to take down Al gore with smear, name calling and suggestion. What we need on this person are the facts. We need calls to investigate him and we need to uncover what ever we can along this line. Most of what I read here incriminates us, as far as warmers are concerned. Stick to the facts. That is what we are fighting for after all.

Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” (2006) is the “Reefer Madness” (1936) of my generation. While a half hour longer, the production budgets are similar in constant dollars. Perhaps Paramount Classics will do a “colorized” version like the one 20th Century Fox released for “Reefer Madness” in 2004. I expect such a parody to appear well before 2074.

Since the EPA declared greenhouse gases to be poisonous… the last few days anytime someone is close to me I have been saying “WOH stop exhaling on me, that is poisonous you know?”.. Or when someone is drinking water or having a shower I let them know that they are poisoning their bodies. Spread the word. It is simply amazing how many people don’t know that we exhale c02 and that water vapour is a GHG. I was shocked.

I guess what kills me is that by using the data at the NCDC it shows what skeptics have been saying all along. Go to the link below and put in 1895 (the farthest dates that temp history is available) to 2009 and you will see a 0.12 degrees C rise in temperatures for the U.S. Plug in 1980-2009 and you will see a rise of 0.44 degrees C. But plug in 1997-2009 and you will see a 0.29 degree C drop. There is a warning at the top of the page indicating that this data hasn’t been “quality controlled”. I guess that means they haven’t applied any of Mike Mann’s “tricks” to “hide the decline”?

I have a Ph.D in geophysics. I studied at the University of Utah with David Chapman. Chapman in turn studied under Henry Pollack, another thermal geophysicist, at the University of Michigan. Ironically, Pollack is now one of Gore’s advisors.

I have published dozens of papers in the peer-reviewed scientific literature on thermal geophysics.

As pointed out here, Gore’s statement is ridiculously, hopelessly, wrong. The temperature of rocks in geothermal fields is typically in the hundreds of deg C. The near-surface melting temperature of rock is in the neighborhood of 1000 C.

Gore is wrong by at least a factor of a thousand, or one-hundred-thousand percent.

This man, a politician and lawyer, is now advising the world on the science of climate and the technical field of energy?

God help us. This guy obviously does not have a clue.

And how can someone be so remarkably stupid as to believe we have
drill bits that can withstand “millions of degrees” of temperature?

How can Al Gore , ( Mr. Enviromentalist ) continue to support the Man Made Global Warming Hoax when he knows that the ClimateGate X-Files has him and the Pro-Anthropological Global Warming community up against the wall .

Gore’s obvious Cop-Out was displayed to the World community when he cancelled his apperarence at The United Nations’ Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen last week DUE to ” Unforeseen Changes in his Schedule ?

What ? How could this be ? If Santa Claus appears every Christmas , and the Easter Bunny appears every Easter , and Cupid appears every Valentines Day , and the Great Pumpkin appears every Halloween , then surely Al Gore must appear at every United Nations Climate Change Conferences !

Al Gore’s diligent commitment to the Pro-Anthropological Global Warming campaign has made him the poster child for this issue for the last 10 years . Gore’s Acadamy and Grammy winning Awards for his material concerning Global Warming , including a Pulitzer Prize , National Book Awards in the US , an association with an Academy and Grammy Award-winning movie and documentry and Top Billing to numerous conferences, seminars and symposiums . Gore is Admired by men , Adored by women and Cherished by chiildren . AL GORE . . . is . . . Superman !

So how could Al Gore miss Copenhagen on December 7 , 2009 ? Well , like the Article title above , it seems that Al Gore either can’t comprehend a sense of time in his scheduling or he knows it’s not good sense to appear at this time . In these times in the United States where the Consitutional Rights of the people are jeopardized , it seems that Al Gores interests has been diverted away from Copenhagen and focused on his Fifth Admendment right.

The ClimateGate files have come into the spotlight , and with their concrete disclosure of Manipulation, Deception, Suppression of Evidence and FOIA violations exposed in the data and documents inclosed , Mr. Gore has chosen, and chosen wisely to step out of this particular spotlight .

Al Gore , Mr. Enviromentalist , the Superman of the Green Movement has met his demise in the name of ClimateGate . This well deserved disaster and tragedy of his enduring illusion that Global Warming is the product of Humanity has not only been demolished , but has also demoted his credibility and association with those who continue to enslave humanity.

If Al Gore was Superman , then ClimateGate is certainly his Kryptonite and while heads are rolling and careers of the criminally motivated scientists are placed in question , rest assure that Al Gore , or Superman will stay as far away from ClimateGate as he can .

In a interview by Becky Anderson, to be shown on CNNs Connect the World at 4 EST today 12-9-9, This is what Gore had to say:

“He said climate change was the most complex challenge ever to confront human civilization and climate change skeptics — who have prospered in the wake of email leaks from a UK climate research center — were living in an “era of unreality.”

ShrNfr said:
harpo Intelligence is one of the things that is Rankin last with the Gore crowd. For 2 points why is 0 degrees F at the temperature assigned to it?

OK, I’ll bite….

I’m a Celsius kinda guy, but I think 0 Degrees F is the freezing point of ethyl-alcohol (ethanol) which is what was used in the original thermometers ???. 100F is body temperature. (I promise I didn’t look that up).

But I am thinking of changing my thermometer to the Rod/Stone/Fortnight model as poposed by George Smith. So now I suppose we’ve got (33 – 19)/33 = 42% cooler… Problem solved. Thankyou George.

Can I have my PhD in Climatology now please! (I’ll cite both of you in my new peer reviewed study).

Al Gore knows that his followers are sheep. If he says that the latest email is more than 10 years old they will believe him. None of them will check because they are believers not sceptics (skeptics) whatever….

They sure do believe that, saw it with my own eyes today on a Dutch blog where a warmista pointed out the those mails where not to be taken serious since they where over 10 years old.

There are a lot of smart people on this site, but as someone else has already pointed out you are preaching to the choir. Meanwhile at the CNN site and others the warmists are dismissing the emails and endlessly repeating the talking points of the alarmists which consist mainly of “oil companies, oil companies, oil companies, oil companies . . .”
You guys obviously know the facts, so go make mince meat out of ’em, would ya? Please.

I went over to the CNN blog last night to ask Al a question about long wave solar radiation data from ERBE and it got moderated out…..just asked again and this time it’s in….but I guess the interview is long over by now….
I live in NZ so have not seen the interview….does anyone have news on how it went?

But a brilliant conman who has sold his goods to millions and has made himself quite wealthy in the process! It seems he does not care about the Truth and it seems people are too stupid to see what a liar he really is.

Its just so evry sad to see this kind of thing. The complete and utter inability of anyone in the media to take him to task for what he says. At some point somone has to just state that he can’t keep making things up. And that is what he is doing – just making things up ….. all the time.

Becky Anderson from CNN could have compeltely railroaded the entire AGW movement by just stating “But Al – that isn’t true – is it ? Here are the e-mails and they are not 10 years old – they are very recent.” Then what is he going to say ? CNN are so useless.

Gore has been picking up the people who weren’t paying attention.
Not any more. Under the microscope, they weigh your every word.
SIlly arguments from a rubber theory won’t do, and Climate Change won’t stretch any tighter to cover the leaks in your boat.
CarbonHagen broken down and negotiations suspended.
Carbon Colonialism rejected, GOP headed over to counter the forged science of AGW. Many nations are aghast at the spectre of a smoke&mirror plan.

The man-made global warming fraud is on the largest scale ever attempted in history. Who better to pick-pocket than the entire American population. Well done Al. I hope Al Gore ends up in prison for the role he has played in this massive lie called man-made global warming. The amount of money stolen from US citizens in the form of baseless global warming taxes will never be repaid to its rightful owners. Prison is where Al Gore belongs. Along with any other person in power that uses global warming as an excuse to levy taxes and fees on the American people.

He’s trying to create an aura of doubt and irrelevance around the emails. He knows damn well that the MSM will advertise and repeat everything he says, and won’t bother to check facts. He’s playing them like a fiddle.

No doubt he met with his staff and “crafted” this statement, and probably practiced it many times until it came across as believable.

And his followers, the true believers, and the liberal arts crowd just eat this stuff up. It’s quite enough for them, and they’ll gladly repeat it themselves.

” But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8 [emphasis added]

3 halves make 1.5, but then when did anything Al Gore ever said about Climate Science add up to anything less than a half-baked bias?
The MSM could have him totally roasted in about 1.5 interviews.
That might just happen one of these days.
He certainly makes enough of his own verbal gravy.

inversesquare: “That is what science is supposed to be…. people who care about truth ….. that’s what science is supposed to be!!
To see it go down in flames for political reasons, now that is what these people will need to go on trial for when this is all over.
The heart of science is truth and the human spirit.”

I don’t think for a minute Gore said that because he thinks it’s correct, he said it because he knows that people will take him at his word, not check for themselves, and discount the whole Climategate issue as a…well, as a non-issue.

That email displayed for November 12, 2009 had what damaging information in it? Gore was referring to the apparently damming email that was 10 years old — and the data made it into the IPCC anyway. The fact that every credible science-based organization on the planet substantially agrees with Gore in regards to man-made climate change leads me to think that I should agree with him also.

“[…] The fact that every credible science-based organization on the planet substantially agrees with Gore in regards to man-made climate change leads me to think that I should agree with him also.”

The fact that every scientific organization (at one time) believed that the earth was the center of the solar system (and the universe for that matter) would have led you to agree with them? It turns out it’s a good thing someone looked into that, eh?

At some point, someone has to do a little scientific fact checking. Consensus isn’t science.

drewsi – “The fact that every credible science-based organization on the planet substantially agrees with Gore in regards to man-made climate change”

First of all, anyone who believes that there is NO credible scientists who disagree on man made global warming is ignorant on the subject, How about Prof. Mojib Latif of Germany’s Leibniz Institute?

Latif is one of the leading climate modellers in the world. He is the recipient of several international climate-study prizes and a lead author for the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). He has contributed significantly to the IPCC’s last two five-year reports that have stated unequivocally that man-made greenhouse emissions are causing the planet to warm dangerously.

Yet recently in Geneva, at the UN’s World Climate Conference–an annual gathering of the so-called “scientific consensus” on man-made climate change –Latif conceded the Earth has not warmed for nearly a decade and that we are likely entering “one or even two decades during which temperatures cool.” and nobody predicts a reduction in Carbon in the next few decades and we darn well know that there was none in the last decade.

2nd, all those sopposedly sophisticated computer models that predicted continued and never ending temp increases (which included the last 8 years) were wrong, temps have not gone up over the last 8 years and you want us all to belive these non credible computer models produced by scientists who have been proven to enter whatever data it takes to get the results out of them that they want? I think not.

In addition to “Can’t tell time”, the Reverend Al Gore can’t read a thermometer. Recently he claimed on TV that the earth is a miilion degrees at its core. (lol, spoken like a true science flunky, if that were true the earth would be a sun! The generally accepted earth core temperature is thought to be no more than 7,000 deg K) From this, one can surmise that he is feeling rather warm under the soles of his shoes, and will be beating a hasty retreat from his AGW position and begin promoting ….. drumroll ….. Geothermal Energy.

I’m not so sure Al Gore isn’t THE AUTHORITY on the temperature of the Earth’s core. The WUWT post “Gore cancels on Copenhagen lecture – leaves ticketholders in a lurch”, 3 December 2009 has a picture of Mr. Gore that with a little imagination clearly indicates Al knows whereof his forked tounge speaks. Wherever you plan to spend eternity, it’s a good idea to know what the temperature will be like.