:72 Kerry: They've got people that can go into churches and political meetings with no justification. "I believe in the PATRIOT Act ... but we need to make sure the terrorists don't change the Constitution."

:73 Stem cell question.

:75 Kerry: We can do ethical embryonic stem cell research. "I think it is respecting life to reach for that cure."

:76 Bush: "Embryonic stem cell research requires the destruction of life. ... I think we gotta be very careful to balance the science and the ethics. ... To destroy life to save life is one of the real ethical dilemmas we face." As much as I hate it, he's got a really strong answer here.

:77 Kerry: "Talk about walking a waffle line."

:78 Bush is for preserving the possibility of life, but has no problem lying to destroy actual lives.

:80 Now that we've been in domestic issues, Bush has toned down the yelling and defensive posture masquerading as offense ... nowhere near as unhinged as he was earlier.

:82 Kerry brought up that the Supreme Court will be affected by this election.

:83 Kerry on abortion as a Catholic: "I can't take what is an article of faith for me, and legislate it." YES!

:86 Bush: I want to protect life in this country. "Culture of life is really important for a country to have." Tell that to 13,000 dead Iraqi civilians!

:88 Great final question: Have you made any wrong decisions?

:88 Bush: I didn't make a mistake going into Iraq. The report confirmed that.

:90 Kerry: "I believe the president made a huge mistake. A catastrophic mistake."

:91 Kerry: "Gut check time. Was this really going to war as a last resort?"

:92 Bush repeated the "I did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" yet again.

:92 Kerry: "I didn't want to give a slush fund to Halliburton."

:95 There's a woman with a huge scowl on her face right behind Bush's head.

As a foreign 'Anybody But Bush' person, I have to say Bush appears to be doing far better in this one than in the last one! He's still just repeating the same crap, but he's not stumbling with his words as much anymore.

So I guess over the last 20 years, Kerry was the King of the Senate and, therefore, personally responsible for our current situation. Got it.

Bush is actually stuttering on the environmental issue. Over the past summers, apparently, he's flown over the forests and now knows they're like tinderboxes. Wow.

Fri Oct 8 2004 7:01 PM

J:

In my opinion, Kerry has dominated and ruled this debate even more than the first. Bush was totally out of control and raging for the majority of it and even now as he's regained some composure, Kerry has mastered his compsure through the entire debate.

in one question he said he was for Medicare and later he said Medicare had to be fixed.

Fri Oct 8 2004 9:03 PM

Tom from Madison:

njguardsman,

Kerry is BOTH for Medicare and advocating for its repair. Bush screwed things up royally by making it ILLEGAL for the US Government to negotiate with drug companies for the best price like the VA does. This Medicare "fix" that Bush is touting is actually a huge give-away to the drug companies. Overall it's raising the cost of prescription drugs. As bad as it is now, the cost of drugs will only increase in the future under Bush.

I didn't see Bush pounding anything. He didn't look as stupid as he did in his last debate, but Kerry still won handily--especially on the environment.

Mon Oct 11 2004 9:46 AM

Right Wing Robby:

I have read alot of articles from a wide variety of authors across the spectrum. This is the only place I have been that has Kerry winning the second debate "handily."

The bias is so thick in this room I could do the backstroke in it. All you lefties think he won cause you agree with him. Its that simple. I have Bush winning that debate easily. Which doesnt surprise me, since I agree with him.

Just keep something in mind while your beating you liberal drum. In the majority of polls, Americans still prefer Bush over Kerry. You may not think so swimming in this koolaid factory, but thats the reality.

Mon Oct 11 2004 11:53 AM

njguardsman:

Tom

Stop looking at the video and read the transcription of the debate: style points go to Kerry but SUBSTANCE goes to Bush.

Mon Oct 11 2004 5:39 PM

Tom from Madison:

Kerry won easily on both style and substance.

Bush said some very silly things. The idea that drugs from Canada might be dangerous is funny. Canadians seem to be doing just fine. They live 2 years longer than Americans on average. Maybe they're just more tolerant of bad drugs!

Bush's statements about the coalition are severely divorced from reality. How many countries left the coalition, George? What about beheadings and putting contractors in harms way? What does that say about planning?

Bush never seems to give a substantive answer about how he's going to pay for the war and all his other spending. I've read the transcript and I see a President who is out of touch with reality and hopes nobody will notice. Toward that end, his only hope is scaring people. I'm not afraid & I'm not impressed by Bush's style or substance.

Tue Oct 12 2004 11:45 AM

ap:

It really dose not matter who is pres. as far as medicare expenses or jobs are concerned.It will always fluctuate.Ultimately, it comes down to who can protect this country the best way he and his administration can from terrorism,or else we will be living in fear every time we step in to a major mall around the country,just like Israel.
Except it for what it is and don't be so naive.
The world is what it is today and all the would've,cuold've,should've bullshit is not going to change anything.

Tue Oct 12 2004 4:24 PM

ap:

As far as canada drugs are concerned,more power to the people who are saving money through buying their medications from canada. It's fucking ridiculous the amount of money the drug companies charge here!

Tue Oct 12 2004 4:39 PM

Anonymous:

I live in a red state, but I'm a democrat.

Go Kerry. With substance and style. I proudly drive with that sticker on my vehicle. For the next four years.