It's no secret that Apple is looking to shake-up television like they shook up the smartphone and PC space with iPhone and iPad respectively. At the heart of this experience is probably a motion camera based on the original Kinect technology and gaming functionality. Apple caught MS and everyone else off guard with iPhone and iPad, but it looks like MS is ahead of the curve here and Sony is once again behind the 8-ball.

Sony made a hard bet with a games-focused console that's helping them out in the short term from a PR perspective. Their tiny OS leaves no flexibility for adapting to the changing landscape once Apple decides to make their TV move and it takes off like iPhone and iPad. However, Microsoft is ahead of the curve. When Apple does reveal their new AppleTV set with the sensor built in, it will be seen as a product like Xbox One and not something totally new. So in the long run when people are interacting with their TVs in a new way, Sony will be playing catch up trying to bundle PS Eye into Playstation 4's. But their inflexible OS memory setup will make it very difficult to adapt their OS to the new landscape.

I'll be watching this development with keen interest. But the point of this thread is to shine a spotlight on why exactly MS made the design decisions they did with Xbox One. It's built to be future proof from a software and services perspective. It's built to compete with any other "black swan" like Apple's TV efforts and even things we don't know about yet. Microsoft and Sony's decisions were very different.

Sony took this approach:
"What mistakes did we make last generation? Let's build a games machine that fixes all of those problems."

Microsoft took this approach:
"What's the landscape that our technology has to compete in within the next five to ten years? Let's build a console with that in mind."

Sony's approach would be like the U.S. military building a bigger, faster, stealthier B-52 bomber. The problem is that warfare is different in the 21st century. Carpet bombing cities full of civilians is no longer an acceptable warfare tactic.

Microsoft's approach would be like building a smaller, stealthier air plane that can deliver precision-guided munitions onto targets.

Sony built a console for yesterday's console wars while MS built a machine for tomorrow's living room wars.

It's no secret that Apple is looking to shake-up television like they shook up the smartphone and PC space with iPhone and iPad respectively. At the heart of this experience is probably a motion camera based on the original Kinect technology and gaming functionality. Apple caught MS and everyone else off guard with iPhone and iPad, but it looks like MS is ahead of the curve here and Sony is once again behind the 8-ball.

Sony made a hard bet with a games-focused console that's helping them out in the short term from a PR perspective. Their tiny OS leaves no flexibility for adapting to the changing landscape once Apple decides to make their TV move and it takes off like iPhone and iPad. However, Microsoft is ahead of the curve. When Apple does reveal their new AppleTV set with the sensor built in, it will be seen as a product like Xbox One and not something totally new. So in the long run when people are interacting with their TVs in a new way, Sony will be playing catch up trying to bundle PS Eye into Playstation 4's. But their inflexible OS memory setup will make it very difficult to adapt their OS to the new landscape.

I'll be watching this development with keen interest. But the point of this thread is to shine a spotlight on why exactly MS made the design decisions they did with Xbox One. It's built to be future proof from a software and services perspective. It's built to compete with any other "black swan" like Apple's TV efforts and even things we don't know about yet. Microsoft and Sony's decisions were very different.

Sony took this approach:
"What mistakes did we make last generation? Let's build a games machine that fixes all of those problems."

Microsoft took this approach:
"What's the landscape that our technology has to compete in within the next five to ten years? Let's build a console with that in mind."

Sony's approach would be like the U.S. military building a bigger, faster, stealthier B-52 bomber. The problem is that warfare is different in the 21st century. Carpet bombing cities full of civilians is no longer an acceptable warfare tactic.

Microsoft's approach would be like building a smaller, stealthier air plane that can deliver precision-guided munitions onto targets.

Sony built a console for yesterday's console wars while MS built a machine for tomorrow's living room wars.

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Kind of a bad example, i agree with "Yesterdays" console wars when it comes to the PS4 because when it comes to my console i want it for GAMES/Gaming, its up to Microsoft to decide what they wanna do with all those features as it fights Apple, the issue here is though Microsoft's system with kinect is 500 Dollars, Apple TV's Device is 100$ before they do any of this, yes money does make a difference to the consumer though and 100 vs 500 is precarious, if the apple tv's secondary product is an extra hundred dollars Microsoft will lose that battle with apple.

It's no secret that Apple is looking to shake-up television like they shook up the smartphone and PC space with iPhone and iPad respectively. At the heart of this experience is probably a motion camera based on the original Kinect technology and gaming functionality. Apple caught MS and everyone else off guard with iPhone and iPad, but it looks like MS is ahead of the curve here and Sony is once again behind the 8-ball.

Sony made a hard bet with a games-focused console that's helping them out in the short term from a PR perspective. Their tiny OS leaves no flexibility for adapting to the changing landscape once Apple decides to make their TV move and it takes off like iPhone and iPad. However, Microsoft is ahead of the curve. When Apple does reveal their new AppleTV set with the sensor built in, it will be seen as a product like Xbox One and not something totally new. So in the long run when people are interacting with their TVs in a new way, Sony will be playing catch up trying to bundle PS Eye into Playstation 4's. But their inflexible OS memory setup will make it very difficult to adapt their OS to the new landscape.

I'll be watching this development with keen interest. But the point of this thread is to shine a spotlight on why exactly MS made the design decisions they did with Xbox One. It's built to be future proof from a software and services perspective. It's built to compete with any other "black swan" like Apple's TV efforts and even things we don't know about yet. Microsoft and Sony's decisions were very different.

Sony took this approach:
"What mistakes did we make last generation? Let's build a games machine that fixes all of those problems."

Microsoft took this approach:
"What's the landscape that our technology has to compete in within the next five to ten years? Let's build a console with that in mind."

Sony's approach would be like the U.S. military building a bigger, faster, stealthier B-52 bomber. The problem is that warfare is different in the 21st century. Carpet bombing cities full of civilians is no longer an acceptable warfare tactic.

Microsoft's approach would be like building a smaller, stealthier air plane that can deliver precision-guided munitions onto targets.

Sony built a console for yesterday's console wars while MS built a machine for tomorrow's living room wars.

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Kind of a bad example, i agree with "Yesterdays" console wars when it comes to the PS4 because when it comes to my console i want it for GAMES/Gaming, its up to Microsoft to decide what they wanna do with all those features as it fights Apple, the issue here is though Microsoft's system with kinect is 500 Dollars, Apple TV's Device is 100$ before they do any of this, yes money does make a difference to the consumer though and 100 vs 500 is precarious, if the apple tv's secondary product is an extra hundred dollars Microsoft will lose that battle with apple.

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If everyone like you bought 10 PS4's, it still wouldn't be enough to keep the console afloat. That's the reality of the matter. People have a million other choices for entertainment and a million other choices for gaming platforms. The casual gamers flocking to dedicated games machines are less of a sure bet these days. The games they play cost pennies on mobile platforms. I saw the shift happen in this generation. My wife no longer plays Viva Pinata or XBL Arcade games like she did 5 years ago, she has a smartphone now. My kid's first gaming experiences are on iPad, not a console. The people that really matter in the long term have alternatives.

What is funny is that prime sense tried to get Apple to buy them years ago and Apple refused, only now AFTER MS used them to build Kinect one and show people how useful Kinect will be does Apple show any interest. But yet NO ONE give MS any credit for innovating or trying something new and different.

If Microsoft doesn't stay ahead of Apple and Google in the livingroom and with cross-platform computing, they'll lose and if Microsoft loses then that means Sony lost long before. It's a weird conundrum, Microsoft needs Sony to stay competitive in order to keep Apple and Google out of the console market and living-room as much as possible.

However, Microsoft only needs to establish a firm foot-hold in the 'all in one living-room device' before Sony is no longer needed as a shield against Apple and Google. A couple of years of great Xbox One sales should be enough, but I'm sure Microsoft has a well thought out plan on this.

Talking more about Microsoft vs Sony....

Sony is constantly playing catch-up when it comes to next gen features. It happened during the current gen and it's already happening for next gen before it's even begun! Microsoft has left themselves open to flexibility, not just with the variable OS resources, but also with things like Wi-Fi direct and the Cloud. Those are forward thinking technologies that, while already widely used, will become 'normal/mainstream' in the near future. That's just a couple examples. The HDMI input would be another.

I'm not going to be surprised if around October this year Microsoft comes out will the full specs of the Xbox One which are well ahead of the PS4 in order to start their firm grasp of the living-room. So far Microsoft has been very quiet about the details, other than saying they've custom designed everything vs PS4's off the shelf parts. The hardware 'battle' is far from over, in any case. There are a lot of people calling it a win for Sony already, but I think that's much too premature.

It's no secret that Apple is looking to shake-up television like they shook up the smartphone and PC space with iPhone and iPad respectively. At the heart of this experience is probably a motion camera based on the original Kinect technology and gaming functionality. Apple caught MS and everyone else off guard with iPhone and iPad, but it looks like MS is ahead of the curve here and Sony is once again behind the 8-ball.

Sony made a hard bet with a games-focused console that's helping them out in the short term from a PR perspective. Their tiny OS leaves no flexibility for adapting to the changing landscape once Apple decides to make their TV move and it takes off like iPhone and iPad. However, Microsoft is ahead of the curve. When Apple does reveal their new AppleTV set with the sensor built in, it will be seen as a product like Xbox One and not something totally new. So in the long run when people are interacting with their TVs in a new way, Sony will be playing catch up trying to bundle PS Eye into Playstation 4's. But their inflexible OS memory setup will make it very difficult to adapt their OS to the new landscape.

I'll be watching this development with keen interest. But the point of this thread is to shine a spotlight on why exactly MS made the design decisions they did with Xbox One. It's built to be future proof from a software and services perspective. It's built to compete with any other "black swan" like Apple's TV efforts and even things we don't know about yet. Microsoft and Sony's decisions were very different.

Sony took this approach:
"What mistakes did we make last generation? Let's build a games machine that fixes all of those problems."

Microsoft took this approach:
"What's the landscape that our technology has to compete in within the next five to ten years? Let's build a console with that in mind."

Sony's approach would be like the U.S. military building a bigger, faster, stealthier B-52 bomber. The problem is that warfare is different in the 21st century. Carpet bombing cities full of civilians is no longer an acceptable warfare tactic.

Microsoft's approach would be like building a smaller, stealthier air plane that can deliver precision-guided munitions onto targets.

Sony built a console for yesterday's console wars while MS built a machine for tomorrow's living room wars.

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I don't really agree. I think MS is going overboard with Kinect, in regards to things like voice control, instant switching, and similar things. It's an 'advantage' the X1 has over the PS4, yes, true. But how long is that going to really matter when an Apple television set with Siri integration comes down the pipeline, or any other smart TV with voice control for that matter? A lot of these features of the X1 are going to be made irrelevant anyway, so I don't think Sony made a bonehead move not going down that road.

You're putting MS and Apple at odds because they're going to offer similar things, where I see a coexistence between Apple/Sony as quite possible because the overlap between their spheres will be less.

It's no secret that Apple is looking to shake-up television like they shook up the smartphone and PC space with iPhone and iPad respectively. At the heart of this experience is probably a motion camera based on the original Kinect technology and gaming functionality. Apple caught MS and everyone else off guard with iPhone and iPad, but it looks like MS is ahead of the curve here and Sony is once again behind the 8-ball.

Sony made a hard bet with a games-focused console that's helping them out in the short term from a PR perspective. Their tiny OS leaves no flexibility for adapting to the changing landscape once Apple decides to make their TV move and it takes off like iPhone and iPad. However, Microsoft is ahead of the curve. When Apple does reveal their new AppleTV set with the sensor built in, it will be seen as a product like Xbox One and not something totally new. So in the long run when people are interacting with their TVs in a new way, Sony will be playing catch up trying to bundle PS Eye into Playstation 4's. But their inflexible OS memory setup will make it very difficult to adapt their OS to the new landscape.

I'll be watching this development with keen interest. But the point of this thread is to shine a spotlight on why exactly MS made the design decisions they did with Xbox One. It's built to be future proof from a software and services perspective. It's built to compete with any other "black swan" like Apple's TV efforts and even things we don't know about yet. Microsoft and Sony's decisions were very different.

Sony took this approach:
"What mistakes did we make last generation? Let's build a games machine that fixes all of those problems."

Microsoft took this approach:
"What's the landscape that our technology has to compete in within the next five to ten years? Let's build a console with that in mind."

Sony's approach would be like the U.S. military building a bigger, faster, stealthier B-52 bomber. The problem is that warfare is different in the 21st century. Carpet bombing cities full of civilians is no longer an acceptable warfare tactic.

Microsoft's approach would be like building a smaller, stealthier air plane that can deliver precision-guided munitions onto targets.

Sony built a console for yesterday's console wars while MS built a machine for tomorrow's living room wars.

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Kind of a bad example, i agree with "Yesterdays" console wars when it comes to the PS4 because when it comes to my console i want it for GAMES/Gaming, its up to Microsoft to decide what they wanna do with all those features as it fights Apple, the issue here is though Microsoft's system with kinect is 500 Dollars, Apple TV's Device is 100$ before they do any of this, yes money does make a difference to the consumer though and 100 vs 500 is precarious, if the apple tv's secondary product is an extra hundred dollars Microsoft will lose that battle with apple.

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this is not talking about the apple tv device it talking about the actually television apple is designing

It's no secret that Apple is looking to shake-up television like they shook up the smartphone and PC space with iPhone and iPad respectively. At the heart of this experience is probably a motion camera based on the original Kinect technology and gaming functionality. Apple caught MS and everyone else off guard with iPhone and iPad, but it looks like MS is ahead of the curve here and Sony is once again behind the 8-ball.

Sony made a hard bet with a games-focused console that's helping them out in the short term from a PR perspective. Their tiny OS leaves no flexibility for adapting to the changing landscape once Apple decides to make their TV move and it takes off like iPhone and iPad. However, Microsoft is ahead of the curve. When Apple does reveal their new AppleTV set with the sensor built in, it will be seen as a product like Xbox One and not something totally new. So in the long run when people are interacting with their TVs in a new way, Sony will be playing catch up trying to bundle PS Eye into Playstation 4's. But their inflexible OS memory setup will make it very difficult to adapt their OS to the new landscape.

I'll be watching this development with keen interest. But the point of this thread is to shine a spotlight on why exactly MS made the design decisions they did with Xbox One. It's built to be future proof from a software and services perspective. It's built to compete with any other "black swan" like Apple's TV efforts and even things we don't know about yet. Microsoft and Sony's decisions were very different.

Sony took this approach:
"What mistakes did we make last generation? Let's build a games machine that fixes all of those problems."

Microsoft took this approach:
"What's the landscape that our technology has to compete in within the next five to ten years? Let's build a console with that in mind."

Sony's approach would be like the U.S. military building a bigger, faster, stealthier B-52 bomber. The problem is that warfare is different in the 21st century. Carpet bombing cities full of civilians is no longer an acceptable warfare tactic.

Microsoft's approach would be like building a smaller, stealthier air plane that can deliver precision-guided munitions onto targets.

Sony built a console for yesterday's console wars while MS built a machine for tomorrow's living room wars.

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I don't really agree. I think MS is going overboard with Kinect, in regards to things like voice control, instant switching, and similar things. It's an 'advantage' the X1 has over the PS4, yes, true. But how long is that going to really matter when an Apple television set with Siri integration comes down the pipeline, or any other smart TV with voice control for that matter? A lot of these features of the X1 are going to be made irrelevant anyway, so I don't think Sony made a bonehead move not going down that road.

You're putting MS and Apple at odds because they're going to offer similar things, where I see a coexistence between Apple/Sony as quite possible because the overlap between their spheres will be less.

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This

Between Microsoft and Sony their competition has been about who is willing to adapt whatever ideas to whatever comes down the line Microsoft won this generation in terms of "UI and X Game chat" so sony decided they wanted to follow suit for their customers, Sony won in this generation by adopting "Blu-Ray" first, so Microsoft is following suit for their customers.

the Kinect has all these features and they are nice, but just like before with Siri Integration, Smart TV's with Native Hulu, and Netflix Apps, Sony's Bravia tv's and their 4K resolution look God like and when 4k is our natural resolution for gaming we will benefit, but in the end features are just features, people become so numb and blind to choice just because they like something and dont wanna see beyond that.

It's no secret that Apple is looking to shake-up television like they shook up the smartphone and PC space with iPhone and iPad respectively. At the heart of this experience is probably a motion camera based on the original Kinect technology and gaming functionality. Apple caught MS and everyone else off guard with iPhone and iPad, but it looks like MS is ahead of the curve here and Sony is once again behind the 8-ball.

Sony made a hard bet with a games-focused console that's helping them out in the short term from a PR perspective. Their tiny OS leaves no flexibility for adapting to the changing landscape once Apple decides to make their TV move and it takes off like iPhone and iPad. However, Microsoft is ahead of the curve. When Apple does reveal their new AppleTV set with the sensor built in, it will be seen as a product like Xbox One and not something totally new. So in the long run when people are interacting with their TVs in a new way, Sony will be playing catch up trying to bundle PS Eye into Playstation 4's. But their inflexible OS memory setup will make it very difficult to adapt their OS to the new landscape.

I'll be watching this development with keen interest. But the point of this thread is to shine a spotlight on why exactly MS made the design decisions they did with Xbox One. It's built to be future proof from a software and services perspective. It's built to compete with any other "black swan" like Apple's TV efforts and even things we don't know about yet. Microsoft and Sony's decisions were very different.

Sony took this approach:
"What mistakes did we make last generation? Let's build a games machine that fixes all of those problems."

Microsoft took this approach:
"What's the landscape that our technology has to compete in within the next five to ten years? Let's build a console with that in mind."

Sony's approach would be like the U.S. military building a bigger, faster, stealthier B-52 bomber. The problem is that warfare is different in the 21st century. Carpet bombing cities full of civilians is no longer an acceptable warfare tactic.

Microsoft's approach would be like building a smaller, stealthier air plane that can deliver precision-guided munitions onto targets.

Sony built a console for yesterday's console wars while MS built a machine for tomorrow's living room wars.

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I don't really agree. I think MS is going overboard with Kinect, in regards to things like voice control, instant switching, and similar things. It's an 'advantage' the X1 has over the PS4, yes, true. But how long is that going to really matter when an Apple television set with Siri integration comes down the pipeline, or any other smart TV with voice control for that matter? A lot of these features of the X1 are going to be made irrelevant anyway, so I don't think Sony made a bonehead move not going down that road.

You're putting MS and Apple at odds because they're going to offer similar things, where I see a coexistence between Apple/Sony as quite possible because the overlap between their spheres will be less.

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So what i'm reading is that, Since apple is going to create these features, MS should not even bother with the market, and if consumers want that experience, they should just buy Apple. Or at least sony consumers are banking on this concept

product overlapping is a good thing, it creates competition, or else we'd be stuck with over priced Playstations for the sole source of videogaming

Some of your points are a little extreme but I do think ms is trying to battle more then one market at a time with the Xbox one, while Sony is focusing on just the video game market with ps4.(Well mostly). I think both are practical in terms of the company and I really think the competition is a good thing.

It might cost us consumers more to get all the machines but I would rather pay more for consoles who put out great products to compete, then cheaply pay for one mediocre one.

Some of your points are a little extreme but I do think ms is trying to battle more then one market at a time with the Xbox one, while Sony is focusing on just the video game market with ps4.(Well mostly). I think both are practical in terms of the company and I really think the competition is a good thing.

It might cost us consumers more to get all the machines but I would rather pay more for consoles who put out great products to compete, then cheaply pay for one mediocre one.

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My points are not extreme. Listen to the Xbox Architecture Panel from May 21st. The Xbox One will probably have another 8-10 year cycle and the creators didn't want to get caught flat footed with a system that couldn't adapt.

Some of your points are a little extreme but I do think ms is trying to battle more then one market at a time with the Xbox one, while Sony is focusing on just the video game market with ps4.(Well mostly). I think both are practical in terms of the company and I really think the competition is a good thing.

It might cost us consumers more to get all the machines but I would rather pay more for consoles who put out great products to compete, then cheaply pay for one mediocre one.

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Good Day sir a person who doesnt flame people while having an opinion *shakes hand*, and was that like a lil bit of a rib shot to the Ouya or something?

Some of your points are a little extreme but I do think ms is trying to battle more then one market at a time with the Xbox one, while Sony is focusing on just the video game market with ps4.(Well mostly). I think both are practical in terms of the company and I really think the competition is a good thing.

It might cost us consumers more to get all the machines but I would rather pay more for consoles who put out great products to compete, then cheaply pay for one mediocre one.

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My points are not extreme. Listen to the Xbox Architecture Panel from May 21st. The Xbox One will probably have another 8-10 year cycle and the creators didn't want to get caught flat footed with a system that couldn't adapt.

Some of your points are a little extreme but I do think ms is trying to battle more then one market at a time with the Xbox one, while Sony is focusing on just the video game market with ps4.(Well mostly). I think both are practical in terms of the company and I really think the competition is a good thing.

It might cost us consumers more to get all the machines but I would rather pay more for consoles who put out great products to compete, then cheaply pay for one mediocre one.

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Good Day sir a person who doesnt flame people while having an opinion *shakes hand*, and was that like a lil bit of a rib shot to the Ouya or something?

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Haha and no I don't hate the ouya, for what the ouya is trying to do I think it could be very successful. Long shot but I don't think there plan is a wrong approach. I just see phones and tablets doing the kinda gaming the ouya is showcasing meaning they just hopped into a busy market.

Some of your points are a little extreme but I do think ms is trying to battle more then one market at a time with the Xbox one, while Sony is focusing on just the video game market with ps4.(Well mostly). I think both are practical in terms of the company and I really think the competition is a good thing.

It might cost us consumers more to get all the machines but I would rather pay more for consoles who put out great products to compete, then cheaply pay for one mediocre one.

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My points are not extreme. Listen to the Xbox Architecture Panel from May 21st. The Xbox One will probably have another 8-10 year cycle and the creators didn't want to get caught flat footed with a system that couldn't adapt.

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Not your overall message, more your b52 comparisons haha.

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You just didn't get it.

Like the B52, the PS4 is a "weapon" built for a war that no longer exists. Kind of like the PS Vita. Vita is a handheld for a market that no longer exists. Sony spent years designing a weapon and right when they're ready to release it, the war is over.

It's no secret that Apple is looking to shake-up television like they shook up the smartphone and PC space with iPhone and iPad respectively. At the heart of this experience is probably a motion camera based on the original Kinect technology and gaming functionality. Apple caught MS and everyone else off guard with iPhone and iPad, but it looks like MS is ahead of the curve here and Sony is once again behind the 8-ball.

Sony made a hard bet with a games-focused console that's helping them out in the short term from a PR perspective. Their tiny OS leaves no flexibility for adapting to the changing landscape once Apple decides to make their TV move and it takes off like iPhone and iPad. However, Microsoft is ahead of the curve. When Apple does reveal their new AppleTV set with the sensor built in, it will be seen as a product like Xbox One and not something totally new. So in the long run when people are interacting with their TVs in a new way, Sony will be playing catch up trying to bundle PS Eye into Playstation 4's. But their inflexible OS memory setup will make it very difficult to adapt their OS to the new landscape.

I'll be watching this development with keen interest. But the point of this thread is to shine a spotlight on why exactly MS made the design decisions they did with Xbox One. It's built to be future proof from a software and services perspective. It's built to compete with any other "black swan" like Apple's TV efforts and even things we don't know about yet. Microsoft and Sony's decisions were very different.

Sony took this approach:
"What mistakes did we make last generation? Let's build a games machine that fixes all of those problems."

Microsoft took this approach:
"What's the landscape that our technology has to compete in within the next five to ten years? Let's build a console with that in mind."

Sony's approach would be like the U.S. military building a bigger, faster, stealthier B-52 bomber. The problem is that warfare is different in the 21st century. Carpet bombing cities full of civilians is no longer an acceptable warfare tactic.

Microsoft's approach would be like building a smaller, stealthier air plane that can deliver precision-guided munitions onto targets.

Sony built a console for yesterday's console wars while MS built a machine for tomorrow's living room wars.

From here it looks like Apple are going to build an XB1 with iOS gaming for about half the price or less.

Yeah competition is great n all but the trouble with the XB being a jack of all trades (master of none) is how that roadmap pans out. If, in a couple of years time consumers want a device that focuses mostly on gaming the PS4 will probably be the go to machine, if they're not interested in 'proper' games but want all the integration, internet, video calls etc they'll probably pick the cheaper apple unit which could well run iOS games too. Where does that leave MS?

From here it looks like Apple are going to build an XB1 with iOS gaming for about half the price or less.

Yeah competition is great n all but the trouble with the XB being a jack of all trades (master of none) is how that roadmap pans out. If, in a couple of years time consumers want a device that focuses mostly on gaming the PS4 will probably be the go to machine, if they're not interested in 'proper' games but want all the integration, internet, video calls etc they'll probably pick the cheaper apple unit which could well run iOS games too. Where does that leave MS?

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They better hope the Kinect has in-game uses that add to the experience.

From here it looks like Apple are going to build an XB1 with iOS gaming for about half the price or less.

Yeah competition is great n all but the trouble with the XB being a jack of all trades (master of none) is how that roadmap pans out. If, in a couple of years time consumers want a device that focuses mostly on gaming the PS4 will probably be the go to machine, if they're not interested in 'proper' games but want all the integration, internet, video calls etc they'll probably pick the cheaper apple unit which could well run iOS games too. Where does that leave MS?

The Xbox One has the latest AAA games, including partnerships with the largest publishers in the industry. It has Kinect, a device not matched by anything else in the industry, let alone the world (at a consumer price). Xbox One is also using cloud technology, which is 'next gen' software technology using the exact same Azure platform that world-leading businesses are using right now.

Master of none? Show me where the competition is the master of anything that Xbox One does.

That is a media coined phrase because its less powerful than the ps4. Honestly I'd rather it hit all the bases instead of being focused on one thing only. Hence, why I chose the xbox over the playstation.

Thing is I don't think Sony tried to to position the PS4 as anything more than a game console, so how can they be faulted for that? I boils down to I you want just a game console, or a living room hub, and for those who lean either way the choice is clear. However, I don't think Sony should be the one worried about this, Apple as a company are sharks. They already took Androids best shot and are bouncing back, so they will not take it easy on MS for control of the living room hub space.

right now, 3 of the threads on the front page have the word "sony" or "ps4" in them. and then there's the threads about ign being partial to Sony. really guys, can you guys not talk about the xbox without bringing up the ps4?

I never did care for kinect. I don't care about sports, tv, or sports games. I watch netflix a lot, redbox, blockbuster etc. I don't bother spending money on cable, because when I had it, I never watched it. I don't want to talk to my console, just like I don't want to talk to my i phone.

In the end, it doesn't matter how many clouds, blue teeth, carbon feet, or football fantasies you have. /old man voice

Seriously, I just want to see great games! All these features are absolutely pointless to me. I really think Titanfall will be great, I have high hopes for it. Games are going to sell these consoles. People aren't buying much into the gimmicks anymore. Look at Wii U.

I had an Xbox 360 for about 2 years before it got bricked by an update and got RROD. Gone through 3 more units since then. And now, just recently, my ethernet port started burning. Now I have to use the WIFI to play Gears. Is this new console going to have all these issues resolved? What good are new features if the console is unreliable? For someone looking to get the best gaming experience around, which console is going to provide the best overall value and experience. I'm already paying $100 more for the ONE over the PS4 for a kinect that I DON'T want. And all these features are nice, but I'm more excited about the slick interface than the extra features.

Hey everybody! We won! Watching TV is going to be way better on the Xbox. Unless you buy an Apple TV. Or one of those Samsung TVs with voice and motion control that are already out on the market. Or one of those dvr cable boxes that does all that stuff. Sony is so fucked.

I never did care for kinect. I don't care about sports, tv, or sports games. I watch netflix a lot, redbox, blockbuster etc. I don't bother spending money on cable, because when I had it, I never watched it. I don't want to talk to my console, just like I don't want to talk to my i phone.

In the end, it doesn't matter how many clouds, blue teeth, carbon feet, or football fantasies you have. /old man voice

Seriously, I just want to see great games! All these features are absolutely pointless to me. I really think Titanfall will be great, I have high hopes for it. Games are going to sell these consoles. People aren't buying much into the gimmicks anymore. Look at Wii U.

I had an Xbox 360 for about 2 years before it got bricked by an update and got RROD. Gone through 3 more units since then. And now, just recently, my ethernet port started burning. Now I have to use the WIFI to play Gears. Is this new console going to have all these issues resolved? What good are new features if the console is unreliable? For someone looking to get the best gaming experience around, which console is going to provide the best overall value and experience. I'm already paying $100 more for the ONE over the PS4 for a kinect that I DON'T want. And all these features are nice, but I'm more excited about the slick interface than the extra features.

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*only 3 posts, very suspicious
*if you don't want an xbox then don't buy one
*go back to the PS board where you belong
*you're just a sony fanboy
*link?
*kinect and cloud are next-gen
*if you want to go with PS3.5 it's your loss
*just because YOU don't want kinect doesn't mean other people don't
*kinect sold 30 (lie) million units
*developers are going to make magic with the kinect
*the kinect needs to be attached so devs can guarantee everyone will have one
*the cloud will solve lesser specs
*dedicated servers mean everything
*why would MS want to spy on you, tin foil hat man?

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I never did care for kinect. I don't care about sports, tv, or sports games. I watch netflix a lot, redbox, blockbuster etc. I don't bother spending money on cable, because when I had it, I never watched it. I don't want to talk to my console, just like I don't want to talk to my i phone.

In the end, it doesn't matter how many clouds, blue teeth, carbon feet, or football fantasies you have. /old man voice

Seriously, I just want to see great games! All these features are absolutely pointless to me. I really think Titanfall will be great, I have high hopes for it. Games are going to sell these consoles. People aren't buying much into the gimmicks anymore. Look at Wii U.

I had an Xbox 360 for about 2 years before it got bricked by an update and got RROD. Gone through 3 more units since then. And now, just recently, my ethernet port started burning. Now I have to use the WIFI to play Gears. Is this new console going to have all these issues resolved? What good are new features if the console is unreliable? For someone looking to get the best gaming experience around, which console is going to provide the best overall value and experience. I'm already paying $100 more for the ONE over the PS4 for a kinect that I DON'T want. And all these features are nice, but I'm more excited about the slick interface than the extra features.

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*only 3 posts, very suspicious
*if you don't want an xbox then don't buy one
*go back to the PS board where you belong
*you're just a sony fanboy
*link?
*kinect and cloud are next-gen
*if you want to go with PS3.5 it's your loss
*just because YOU don't want kinect doesn't mean other people don't
*kinect sold 30 (lie) million units
*developers are going to make magic with the kinect
*the kinect needs to be attached so devs can guarantee everyone will have one
*the cloud will solve lesser specs
*dedicated servers mean everything
*why would MS want to spy on you, tin foil hat man?

Feel free to choose your reply from the standard responses on this board

right now, 3 of the threads on the front page have the word "sony" or "ps4" in them. and then there's the threads about ign being partial to Sony. really guys, can you guys not talk about the xbox without bringing up the ps4?

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I understand what you are saying, and I think in the long run this kind of posting doesn't help make anything better, because I seen it all before. What the frame of mind for such posts is that this board, MS and XB1, has been bombarded with such hate since The Reveal, many are trying to find whatever they can show the console's value. I contend it doesn't require such zeal and such effort, as such evidence was found before we heard about Cloud ehnancements or potential upgrades to the memory or bandwidth or all that. I get it, I just hope soon people can get past all this PS4 vs XB1 stuff. History has shown that will never happen, but if it doesn't its going to be a long miserable 4 months, and really why spend the time fighting a war that doesn't need to be fought.

right now, 3 of the threads on the front page have the word "sony" or "ps4" in them. and then there's the threads about ign being partial to Sony. really guys, can you guys not talk about the xbox without bringing up the ps4?

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I understand what you are saying, and I think in the long run this kind of posting doesn't help make anything better, because I seen it all before. What the frame of mind for such posts is that this board, MS and XB1, has been bombarded with such hate since The Reveal, many are trying to find whatever they can show the console's value. I contend it doesn't require such zeal and such effort, as such evidence was found before we heard about Cloud ehnancements or potential upgrades to the memory or bandwidth or all that. I get it, I just hope soon people can get past all this PS4 vs XB1 stuff. History has shown that will never happen, but if it doesn't its going to be a long miserable 4 months, and really why spend the time fighting a war that doesn't need to be fought.

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i have started to read the xbox forum and post in it to find out more about the system, as i prefer that then to read articles. and i have learned some stuff just recently i wasn't even aware of, the stuff about kinnect being able to read your heart beat rate, that sounds freaking awesome.

i just hate having to sift through post after post and threads of immaturity on both parts of the spectrum of console zealots.

i have started to read the xbox forum and post in it to find out more about the system, as i prefer that then to read articles. and i have learned some stuff just recently i wasn't even aware of, the stuff about kinnect being able to read your heart beat rate, that sounds freaking awesome.

i just hate having to sift through post after post and threads of immaturity on both parts of the spectrum of console zealots.

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I hear you, its really hard to approach this board from an objective view, because say one wrong thing about XB1 and your labeled as a card carrying member of the "SDF" and I can see you been around here just as I have, so for you getting frustrated, things have clearly been racheted up with this console war stuff. Which is why I give some these newbies a pass, because some of them don't know these same battles have already been fought before, twice over, leadng the same end of nothing of consequence at all.

i have started to read the xbox forum and post in it to find out more about the system, as i prefer that then to read articles. and i have learned some stuff just recently i wasn't even aware of, the stuff about kinnect being able to read your heart beat rate, that sounds freaking awesome.

i just hate having to sift through post after post and threads of immaturity on both parts of the spectrum of console zealots.

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I hear you, its really hard to approach this board from an objective view, because say one wrong thing about XB1 and your labeled as a card carrying member of the "SDF" and I can see you been around here just as I have, so for you getting frustrated, things have clearly been racheted up with this console war stuff. Which is why I give some these newbies a pass, because some of them don't know these same battles have already been fought before, twice over, leadng the same end of nothing of consequence at all.

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this board needs more mods, level headed people like you. it's too bad we can't recommend people for that.

Good read OP. I can't say I fully agree with your sentiments, however. Before going on I should preface; I'm excited for the Xbone. With that being said, I'm not excited for the console because of it's bevy of features. I'm excited to play Xbox exclusive titles.

You are absolutely correct in your assertion that Microsoft is going after far more than just the videogame market, and I believe this will prove a downfall rather than a boon. In my opinion, Xbox One is a device with too many demographics in mind, and in attempting to widen their net to catch more customers, they are alienating a lot of them.

For as forward thinking as you claim Microsoft to be, they failed to notice that cable subscriptions have been in decline, and have been for quite some time. Digital distribution is/will be king, and while Microsoft has their foot in the door here, Apple has them beat ten times over. Their sports apps will appeal to some, but on top of season passes, and other hefty expenditures imposed on fans of the sport, will they want to plunker down an additional $500 dollars for those features?

If PS4 has superior specs, which it likely will, gamers who only care about gaming might be more attracted to the the platform. If Google or Apple release similar products, sans gaming, what will the T.V./Movie enthusiast buy? The device with the lower pricetag. And on top of all this, it seems Microsoft has missed out on a lot of early adopters (those who evangelize new products) due to mixed messaging.

The OS is a different story. I think Microsoft was apt to go the route they did, and I'm sure it will be a much richer experience to operate over the competitions. Otherwise, I think out of the two strategies, Sony's was the smarter direction. Xbox fans didn't come to the platform to watch movies, keep track of sports or to skype. They became fans due to great games and an amazing online ecosystem. And while I don't think those are things that are going to be sacrificed in lieu of the other features, it remains that when people hear "Xbox" they think of video games. And, as much as Microsoft wants to change that, I don't think they will.

this board needs more mods, level headed people like you. it's too bad we can't recommend people for that.

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Appreciate it, likewise, but I for damn sure wouldn't want to be mod, and I bet the IGN staff who probably drew the short straws. All I know is some people here better hope IGN doesn't bring back Insider, and the will be forced to pay to post.

The OS is a different story. I think Microsoft was apt to go the route they did, and I'm sure it will be a much richer experience to operate over the competitions. Otherwise, I think out of the two strategies, Sony's was the smarter direction. Xbox fans didn't come to the platform to watch movies, keep track of sports or to skype. They became fans due to great games and an amazing online ecosystem. And while I don't think those are things that are going to be sacrificed in lieu of the other features, it remains that when people hear "Xbox" they think of video games. And, as much as Microsoft wants to change that, I don't think they will.

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I disagree. 360 and PS3 over the years have equally become 'media hubs' thanks to the app boom.

whenever I want to watch anime on crunchyroll or new Breaking Bad on Netflix, its such an inconvenience having to stream it on my small laptop screen. PS3 and 360 are the next best things for doing this, because most people don't have any other media streaming option.

people may have gotten into the Xbox brand only because of its games, but they keep using their xbox because of what they can do when they aren't playing games

with that being said, MS is attempting to create a better experience with the X1 as a 'media hub' which is the path it will grow into (like the 360 and PS3 have).

You guys criticize ps4 for lack of innovation, but last generation it was ps3 that was forward thinking. The addition of the bluray meant the opportunity to break past the limitations of the 7.5-8gb diskscapce limits of the DVD (remember part of the disks space was taken up by copyright protection). This also enabled enhanced multimedia playback as back in 2006 onward bluray was the hottest multimedia format on the market, with its visuals/audio that utterly blew away the DVD.

I don't see my favorite games having that gotta have kinect feature that I just desperately need. They are kinda cool but at the end of the day I don't think I definitely have to get the system because of that feature.