Lady Indica:cc_rider: Lady Indica: cc_rider: Fake propaganda video is fake, but still pretty damn funny. On the other hand, there's a lot of things I've witnessed here that are far worse than this video (mostly not from here) purports to show.

This country isn't perfect, but when's the last time you saw someone starving to death.

I don't believe the video showed anyone "starving to death" either. But it does happen here, when children, the disabled or the the elderly are abused by their caretakers. I saw my best friend die a few years ago, from lack of basic medial care because he was sick, unemployed and uninsured. I've seen a mentally ill man beaten almost unconscious by police just 10 yards away from me. I've seen far too many homeless veterans hanging out on the streets of our nation's capitol. There are homeless camps in this city FFS. I've driven through industrial hell-holes in the Rust Belt, and seen abject poverty in the Northeast ghettos and in Appalachia. Just a couple weeks ago, the feds busted a large human trafficking ring in this town, where women were brought here from other countries and kept as sex-slaves.

There's a whole 'nother America that most people don't think about.

Sorry, it's late and I'm high and perhaps I was too vague. You don't see people starving to death on the streets here...that IS seen in North Korea. I'd rather live in farking Detroit than spend even a week in Best Korea. Don't get me wrong, I *know* this country has problems, serious farking problems. But it still beats the shiat out of living in quite a few places in this world.

I agree completely, but I wasn't comparing this country with North Korea. I was only making a point that that the fake "American" video footage was pretty tame compared with some of our realities. The news coverage from the aftermath of Katrina was far more damning.

UsikFark:Uchiha_Cycliste: Those capitalist gluttonous pigs! Look at their obesity and excess! Look at how fat they are as they starve to death and only have snow to eat!

waitasecond...

They eat the slow and weak!

And staaaaaarrrrvvee...

\Their propaganda is as bad as the GOP's. He's a mastermind controlling and ruining everything! All the while he's ineffective and able to do nothing!\\If you were familiar with John FInnemore's souvenir program, the way I wrote starve would be a lot funnier.

cc_rider:I was only making a point that that the fake "American" video footage was pretty tame compared with some of our realities. The news coverage from the aftermath of Katrina was far more damning.

After the largest natural disaster to ever hit the U.S. the refugees were fed, relocated, and housed for free. Shameful.

/you know NK is bad if you have to compare it to one of the worst disasters in recorded history.

parahaps:cc_rider: Lady Indica: cc_rider: Fake propaganda video is fake, but still pretty damn funny. On the other hand, there's a lot of things I've witnessed here that are far worse than this video (mostly not from here) purports to show.

This country isn't perfect, but when's the last time you saw someone starving to death.

I don't believe the video showed anyone "starving to death" either. But it does happen here, when children, the disabled or the the elderly are abused by their caretakers. I saw my best friend die a few years ago, from lack of basic medial care because he was sick, unemployed and uninsured. I've seen a mentally ill man beaten almost unconscious by police just 10 yards away from me. I've seen far too many homeless veterans hanging out on the streets of our nation's capitol. There are homeless camps in this city FFS. I've driven through industrial hell-holes in the Rust Belt, and seen abject poverty in the Northeast ghettos and in Appalachia. Just a couple weeks ago, the feds busted a large human trafficking ring in this town, where women were brought here from other countries and kept as sex-slaves.

There's a whole 'nother America that most people don't think about.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

I always wonder just how many people actually believe this stuff when they see it in N. Korea.

I may be a bit of a pessimistic sort but I believe in people enough to think that the vast majority of N. Koreans know they are being held in what amounts to a giant internment camp that they want desperately to get out of but are too fearful to rise up.

Sorry, it's late and I'm high and perhaps I was too vague. You don't see people starving to death on the streets here...that IS seen in North Korea. I'd rather live in farking Detroit than spend even a week in Best Korea. Don't get me wrong, I *know* this country has problems, serious farking problems. But it still beats the shiat out of living in quite a few places in this world.

I've been reminded in the past that (supposedly) statistically, the homeless in the USA still place among the top 5% globally on quality of life (food and heathcare availability, shelter, etc.)

/sounds almost true, considering how farked up things can be elsewhere-

Bung_Howdy:There's a whole 'nother America that most people don't think about.

Sorry, it's late and I'm high and perhaps I was too vague. You don't see people starving to death on the streets here...that IS seen in North Korea. I'd rather live in farking Detroit than spend even a week in Best Korea. Don't get me wrong, I *know* this country has problems, serious farking problems. But it still beats the shiat out of living in quite a few places in this world.

I've been reminded in the past that (supposedly) statistically, the homeless in the USA still place among the top 5% globally on quality of life (food and heathcare availability, shelter, etc.)

/sounds almost true, considering how farked up things can be elsewhere-

It could be a case of a lot of places sucking a bit or a few places sucking so much they through off the curve irreconcilably. KInd of like how the average life expectancy was in the 30's for ages, but it was because so many people died as babies.

/sounds almost true, considering how farked up things can be elsewhere-

The sad part is, we could be all of the things it says on the label, we could patch this joint back together and slowly pull ourselves out of the muck if 1% of the population didn't need to have their ongoing "how many billions" dick waving contest more than they need air. The wealthy are all for wealth redistribution. They just want it to happen 3.99 at a time, 10 million time a day and in their favor. When they're asked to invest it in something other than a chance to leverage more billions as quickly as possible, they get all shirty and twitchy. That's not what money's for, you pathetic bastards, and it never will be.

Uchiha_Cycliste:also, apparently they are going to start forcing out all the hobos who live in tents along the guadalupe river trail. I kinda feel bad for the folks, they have no where to go, they have a pretty good setup and are invisible to anyone not on the trail. It's a damn shame.

creepy. Public parks aren't campsites for the mentally ill and hobos. I know you want the homeless to have somewhere to go but they shouldn't be allowed to set up shanties in public parks. THAT is a time and time again proven slippery slope that leads to problems problems and more problems.

mikefinch:Uchiha_Cycliste: also, apparently they are going to start forcing out all the hobos who live in tents along the guadalupe river trail. I kinda feel bad for the folks, they have no where to go, they have a pretty good setup and are invisible to anyone not on the trail. It's a damn shame.

creepy. Public parks aren't campsites for the mentally ill and hobos. I know you want the homeless to have somewhere to go but they shouldn't be allowed to set up shanties in public parks. THAT is a time and time again proven slippery slope that leads to problems problems and more problems.

They aren't camping out in a park though, if they were I would agree. There is a multi-use trail that runs along a river for miles and miles. They camp out where ever they can find a place well hidden, under trees and bushes and the like. Hell, you can't really even find them unless you are looking hard. They have to be some where and where they are seems a lot safer (for everyone) than the alternatives which appear to be freeway overpasses, hidden by trees next to the Cal Train tracks and in alleyways. I haven't ever heard of them being a nuisance, they are just deciding to crack down on something that's been the status quo for as long as I can remember. I really don't see how they are a problem, again if they were I would agree with you, but they are not impacting *anyone* else's usage of the public space.

If you wanna see some North Korean propaganda and get some big lulz, check out the "Squirrel and Hedgehog" animated series on You Tube. They probably tried to make the wolves comical relief bad guys but forgot to make them unlikable. You end up rooting for the "bad guy" wolves more than the pussies who are good little comrades. They're so hardcore.

Uchiha_Cycliste:They aren't camping out in a park though, if they were I would agree. There is a multi-use trail that runs along a river for miles and miles. They camp out where ever they can find a place well hidden, under trees and bushes and the like. Hell, you can't really even find them unless you are looking hard. They have to be some where and where they are seems a lot safer (for everyone) than the alternatives which appear to be freeway overpasses, hidden by trees next to the Cal Train tracks and in alleyways. I haven't ever heard of them being a nuisance, they are just deciding to crack down on something that's been the status quo for as long as I can remember. I really don't see how they are a problem, again if they were I would agree with you, but they are not impacting *anyone* else's usage of the public space.

It affects mine. When i go out for a walk in a public park i don't want to stumble into someones home. And they are transient and present a host of other problems. If the police are kicking them out its either at the wish of the land owner or its public land. Its creepy and it encourages vagrants to think that camping out in the woods by a trail is ok. Its not. It would creep me out if my running trail ran past a camp ground full of vagrants and transients. You just like to imagine they are a bit less homeless if they camp out in the woods like an adventure rather than on the street where they look like the homeless people they are.

mikefinch:<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7640203/83007684#c83007684" target="_blank">Uchiha_Cycliste</a>:</b> <i>also, apparently they are going to start forcing out all the hobos who live in tents along the guadalupe river trail. I kinda feel bad for the folks, they have no where to go, they have a pretty good setup and are invisible to anyone not on the trail. It's a damn shame.</i>

creepy. Public parks aren't campsites for the mentally ill and hobos. I know you want the homeless to have somewhere to go but they shouldn't be allowed to set up shanties in public parks. THAT is a time and time again proven slippery slope that leads to problems problems and more problems.

Sending homeless people to county jail for loitering is not acceptable either. Maybe they need information on where to go for help and assistance.

mikefinch:Uchiha_Cycliste: They aren't camping out in a park though, if they were I would agree. There is a multi-use trail that runs along a river for miles and miles. They camp out where ever they can find a place well hidden, under trees and bushes and the like. Hell, you can't really even find them unless you are looking hard. They have to be some where and where they are seems a lot safer (for everyone) than the alternatives which appear to be freeway overpasses, hidden by trees next to the Cal Train tracks and in alleyways. I haven't ever heard of them being a nuisance, they are just deciding to crack down on something that's been the status quo for as long as I can remember. I really don't see how they are a problem, again if they were I would agree with you, but they are not impacting *anyone* else's usage of the public space.

It affects mine. When i go out for a walk in a public park i don't want to stumble into someones home. And they are transient and present a host of other problems. If the police are kicking them out its either at the wish of the land owner or its public land. Its creepy and it encourages vagrants to think that camping out in the woods by a trail is ok. Its not. It would creep me out if my running trail ran past a camp ground full of vagrants and transients. You just like to imagine they are a bit less homeless if they camp out in the woods like an adventure rather than on the street where they look like the homeless people they are.

In Minneapolis a few years back they installed these rebar triangle things underneath bridges so the homeless couldn't sleep there anymore.

mikefinch:Uchiha_Cycliste: They aren't camping out in a park though, if they were I would agree. There is a multi-use trail that runs along a river for miles and miles. They camp out where ever they can find a place well hidden, under trees and bushes and the like. Hell, you can't really even find them unless you are looking hard. They have to be some where and where they are seems a lot safer (for everyone) than the alternatives which appear to be freeway overpasses, hidden by trees next to the Cal Train tracks and in alleyways. I haven't ever heard of them being a nuisance, they are just deciding to crack down on something that's been the status quo for as long as I can remember. I really don't see how they are a problem, again if they were I would agree with you, but they are not impacting *anyone* else's usage of the public space.

It affects mine. When i go out for a walk in a public park i don't want to stumble into someones home. And they are transient and present a host of other problems. If the police are kicking them out its either at the wish of the land owner or its public land. Its creepy and it encourages vagrants to think that camping out in the woods by a trail is ok. Its not. It would creep me out if my running trail ran past a camp ground full of vagrants and transients. You just like to imagine they are a bit less homeless if they camp out in the woods like an adventure rather than on the street where they look like the homeless people they are.

I guess all I can add is that they are not close to the trail, nor is the river. The trail just follows the path of the river. You aren't going to run into them or see them at all, which I guess is my point. I'm familiar with the area and I don't really see how they are a problem. You'll never inadvertently stumble upon them and you wouldn't know they are there unless you go looking for them. They don't have many options on the Peninsula and this is the best of what I've seen. I don't think there's anything else to add, so let us amicably agree to disagree.

MNguy:mikefinch: Uchiha_Cycliste: They aren't camping out in a park though, if they were I would agree. There is a multi-use trail that runs along a river for miles and miles. They camp out where ever they can find a place well hidden, under trees and bushes and the like. Hell, you can't really even find them unless you are looking hard. They have to be some where and where they are seems a lot safer (for everyone) than the alternatives which appear to be freeway overpasses, hidden by trees next to the Cal Train tracks and in alleyways. I haven't ever heard of them being a nuisance, they are just deciding to crack down on something that's been the status quo for as long as I can remember. I really don't see how they are a problem, again if they were I would agree with you, but they are not impacting *anyone* else's usage of the public space.

It affects mine. When i go out for a walk in a public park i don't want to stumble into someones home. And they are transient and present a host of other problems. If the police are kicking them out its either at the wish of the land owner or its public land. Its creepy and it encourages vagrants to think that camping out in the woods by a trail is ok. Its not. It would creep me out if my running trail ran past a camp ground full of vagrants and transients. You just like to imagine they are a bit less homeless if they camp out in the woods like an adventure rather than on the street where they look like the homeless people they are.

In Minneapolis a few years back they installed these rebar triangle things underneath bridges so the homeless couldn't sleep there anymore.

Theory Of Null:mikefinch: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7640203/83007684#c83007684" target="_blank">Uchiha_Cycliste</a>:</b> <i>also, apparently they are going to start forcing out all the hobos who live in tents along the guadalupe river trail. I kinda feel bad for the folks, they have no where to go, they have a pretty good setup and are invisible to anyone not on the trail. It's a damn shame.</i>

creepy. Public parks aren't campsites for the mentally ill and hobos. I know you want the homeless to have somewhere to go but they shouldn't be allowed to set up shanties in public parks. THAT is a time and time again proven slippery slope that leads to problems problems and more problems.

Sending homeless people to county jail for loitering is not acceptable either. Maybe they need information on where to go for help and assistance.

Looking around online it appears that there are very few (although not none) facilities available for the homeless, many less than I would expect for a city whose population is just shy of a million.

I lied, I have one more thing to add. At Berkeley I saw a lot of homeless folks and pan handlers. They were a much bigger nuisance in the downtown area and everywhere outside of the campus than these guys down by the river. If the options are wandering the streets and being in people's way on the sidewalks or living in a tent off the beaten path, I think the later option is preferable for everyone.

Uchiha_Cycliste:You'll never inadvertently stumble upon them and you wouldn't know they are there unless you go looking for them. They don't have many options on the Peninsula and this is the best of what I've seen. I don't think there's anything else to add, so let us amicably agree to disagree.

I trek in the deep bush in my river valley all the time. I find homeless dudes little hideaways all the time. 99% of the time its a gross old matress and a bunch or garbage piled around a fire hazard of a cooking area. Oh and empty booze containers and dirty (like actually muddy) porno mags strewn everywhere. Yuck. Thank goodness they werent home when i wandered by cause i dont want to sit and chat with mr mentally ill guy in the woods whos house i stumbled into.

Theory Of Null:Sending homeless people to county jail for loitering is not acceptable either. Maybe they need information on where to go for help and assistance.

I agree -- the cops im sure provide them with that information when they are removed. They dont have to go to jail but they cant live there. If they need somewhere to crash for the night whatever.

Lady Indica:parahaps: cc_rider: Lady Indica: cc_rider: Fake propaganda video is fake, but still pretty damn funny. On the other hand, there's a lot of things I've witnessed here that are far worse than this video (mostly not from here) purports to show.

This country isn't perfect, but when's the last time you saw someone starving to death.

I don't believe the video showed anyone "starving to death" either. But it does happen here, when children, the disabled or the the elderly are abused by their caretakers. I saw my best friend die a few years ago, from lack of basic medial care because he was sick, unemployed and uninsured. I've seen a mentally ill man beaten almost unconscious by police just 10 yards away from me. I've seen far too many homeless veterans hanging out on the streets of our nation's capitol. There are homeless camps in this city FFS. I've driven through industrial hell-holes in the Rust Belt, and seen abject poverty in the Northeast ghettos and in Appalachia. Just a couple weeks ago, the feds busted a large human trafficking ring in this town, where women were brought here from other countries and kept as sex-slaves.

There's a whole 'nother America that most people don't think about.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

It's a Korean video that shows some rather unfortunate scenes. I don't speak Korean and can't say with any certainty that any or all of the scenes were staged. The video does make a point to show some people dealing with a winter environment.My guess is that this has all been taken out of context, we're looking at some good aspects of living in best Korea.

mikefinch:I trek in the deep bush in my river valley all the time. I find homeless dudes little hideaways all the time. 99% of the time its a gross old matress and a bunch or garbage piled around a fire hazard of a cooking area. Oh and empty booze containers and dirty (like actually muddy) porno mags strewn everywhere. Yuck. Thank goodness they werent home when i wandered by cause i dont want to sit and chat with mr mentally ill guy in the woods whos house i stumbled into.

I don't believe your experiences reflect the situation I'm describing but we have no way to judge. you can't take me to where you've seen this and I reckon I can't take you down the trail I'm describing. So, I believe we are at an impasse.

mikefinch:Uchiha_Cycliste: You'll never inadvertently stumble upon them and you wouldn't know they are there unless you go looking for them. They don't have many options on the Peninsula and this is the best of what I've seen. I don't think there's anything else to add, so let us amicably agree to disagree.

I trek in the deep bush in my river valley all the time. I find homeless dudes little hideaways all the time. 99% of the time its a gross old matress and a bunch or garbage piled around a fire hazard of a cooking area. Oh and empty booze containers and dirty (like actually muddy) porno mags strewn everywhere. Yuck. Thank goodness they werent home when i wandered by cause i dont want to sit and chat with mr mentally ill guy in the woods whos house i stumbled into.

Theory Of Null: Sending homeless people to county jail for loitering is not acceptable either. Maybe they need information on where to go for help and assistance.

I agree -- the cops im sure provide them with that information when they are removed. They dont have to go to jail but they cant live there. If they need somewhere to crash for the night whatever.