Your video shows only the same two photographs from the CTer camp posted time and time again. The entire video is based on what Steven Jones has been pushing out and a CTer who has swallowed it without any due dilligence or fact finding on his own.

His first claim is that "molten steel" was found in pools in the elevator shafts.
His evdience is based on the same two "smoking gun" photographs Jones has been pushing for years:

1- "Molten metal"/"molten steel" (since the two are indistinguishable in the CTer world as has been evidenced several times on this thread) that defies gravity and hovers in the air between the jaws of a crane,

2- and firefighters supposedly gathering around a pool of molten lava..
Since you have proven to be either rather slow on the uptake or just deliberately ignoring what has been posted in refutation of these pictures, let's go over this again for you.

the crane-- It shows molten steel "hovering" under its jaws. Actually, it only shows glowing metal of indeterminate origin:

Conspiracy sites like to bring up molten metal found 6 weeks after the buildings fell to suggest a bomb must have created the effect. The explanation doesn't go into the amount of explosive material needed because it would be an absurd amount. There is another explanation which is more plausible.

Before reading the below, it might be a good idea for the novice to read Mark Ferran's explanation on how "Iron Burns!!!"

Oxidation of iron by air is not the only EXOTHERMIC reaction of iron (= structural steel which is about 98 % Fe, 1 % Mn, 0.2 % C, 0.2 % Si.....). There is at least one additional reaction of iron with the capability of keeping the rubble pile hot and cooking!

The reaction between IRON AND STEAM is also very EXOTHERMIC and fast at temperatures above 400 deg C. This reaction produces Fe3O4 AND HYDROGEN. It is the classic example of a REVERSIBLE REACTION studied in Chemistry labs at high school. But believe it or not, back at the turn of the century, the reaction of iron and steam was used as an industrial process for the manufacture of hydrogen.

I think iron and steam could have reacted in this way (at least for a while) and generated a lot of heat. What is more, the hydrogen released would have been converted back to water by reaction with oxygen, thereby generating even more heat. In this case spraying water on the rubble pile was like adding fuel to a fire!

Now add in gypsum reactions with H2 and CO and we have a great source of SO2 and/or H2S to sulfide the steel!

Perhaps the endless spraying of water on the rubble pile was not such a good idea!

In the usual lab experiment on the reversible reaction of iron and "steam", nitrogen (or some inert gas) is bubbled through water to create a gas stream saturated with water vapor at room temperature. This gas is then allowed to flow into a glass tube about 1 meter long containing iron in an inert boat at its center. This assembly is heated in a tube furnace to some desired temperature, say 500 deg C. The hydrogen/ nitrogen gas mixture is collected at the outlet of the tube furnace.

In the industrial process the feed gas might also be "water gas" which is a mixture of CO and water vapor. The outlet gas contains mostly H2 and CO2.

I am sure there was plenty of water vapor AND oxygen in the void spaces in the rubble pile. This is the "steam" I am referring to.

Please remember that the recovered pieces of structural steel were heavily OXIDIZED as well as sulfided. The most important oxidizing agents available in the rubble pile were obviously O2 and H2O.

The rubble pile was not only inhomogeneous with regard to its composition, it was inhomogeneous with regard to its temperature. This was due to localized chemical reactions. Such reactions were capable of generating high temperatures in these localized hot spots.

The demolitionists much beloved thermite is a good example, BUT NOT THE ONLY EXAMPLE. AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF WHATSOEVER THAT THERMITE, THERMATE, SOL-GEL NANO-THERMITE WAS EVER PRESENT AT THE WTC SITE!!!!!!

It is irrelevant whether or not the steam was wet or dry, that is a chemical engineering notion only of interest in a closed and controlled system, usually under high-pressure, such as a steam generator in a power station.

Water vapor was present in the rubble pile and water vapor reacts with iron releasing HYDROGEN.

And now the same fireman picture showing them supposedly around "molten metal"/"molten steel":

And the video of them showing that it was a FLASHLIgHT that illuminated the area, and that CTers deliberately doctored a frame to make it look otherwise:

Of interesting note the video claims there were pools of molten steel, which would require temperatures over 2600F. However, the video debunks itself by quoting a fireman who says the interior of the rubble is probably around 1500.

The video maker also claims Steven Jones analyzed the "molten metal". Let's go back a few posts again for you since you didn't read them.

And on a side note pertaining only to my own personal pet peeve, why doesn't your super knowledgeable video expert know the difference between "you're" and "your" as your video poster obviously doesn't with his end comments.

My dad watched them remove the debris from the site. He was obsessed with it, I think. There was a camera and a satelite feed, 24 hrs a day, live. They showed it for several months. I remember that there was always steam and smoke coming up from the debis, even months later. I wondered why that was. When they pulled a piece of steel up, they would spray water on it. It's like the stuff was hot for months.

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Now add in gypsum reactions with H2 and CO and we have a great source of SO2 and/or H2S to sulfide the steel!

According to the Gypsum Association, gypsum is non-combustable. Also, when heated above 350 F or so, it releases water.

My dad watched them remove the debris from the site. He was obsessed with it, I think. There was a camera and a satelite feed, 24 hrs a day, live. They showed it for several months. I remember that there was always steam and smoke coming up from the debis, even months later. I wondered why that was. When they pulled a piece of steel up, they would spray water on it. It's like the stuff was hot for months.

According to the Gypsum Association, gypsum is non-combustable. Also, when heated above 350 F or so, it releases water.

None of the fire fighters can figure it out either there are many many interviews where they speak of molten steel in the remains of the WTC
and they also all say they've never seen anything like this Well they should since it is their job to fight fire that is why they call them fire fighters But I guess all their testimony can just be discounted by the stupid "debunker's" even though they offer no explanation how the the remains of a fire can be hotter than the fire EVER should have been.

There was never any melted steel, but you guys can;t seem to get that through your head. How hot was the fire? According to your OWN EYEWITNESS VIDEOS the firefighter only claimed it was around 1500 degrees, a thousand degrees below what it would take to melt steel.

But maybe I am misunderstanding you, so let me ask, are you saying that the heat in the rubble is due to explosives or thermite which burned for months?

That was days and weeks later you might not believe this but fires are supposed to cool down especially if they are buried and lack oxygen. I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but trust me it's true. So if the debris was even still 1500 degrees or even 2000 degrees as Giuliani himself said at the 911 hearing how hot were the originally quite a bit hotter one would think if one does stop and think which obviously some don't. Also Molten steel is quite a bit hotter many people reported seeing huge steel columns that were melted unfortunately there aren't many photo's from ground zero since access to the site was quite limited. Another problem is most of the evidence was destroyed by Giuliani and others so it will never get to be examined. Why all the secrecy why the rush to get rid of the debris why the sham investigation? There would be no need to do such things if there was nothing to hide.... I'm not SURE of what it was from but it sure wasn't the office contents and fire proof materials used in the building that's for sure. I unlike you don't claim to have all the answers I'm just saying we HAVE been lied to and there needs to be a new INDEPENDENT investigation. I'm also saying I think Israel was Jewish Neo-con and their henchmen (i.e. Bush. Cheney, Rumsfeld) were involved, and that the 19 Arabs are just the patsies

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Also Molten steel is quite a bit hotter many people reported seeing huge steel columns that were melted unfortunately there aren't many photo's from ground zero since access to the site was quite limited.

Convenient, so we just have to take your word for it right? As usual you even have a conspiracy as to why there were no pictures of this. Secondly, was it not shown that the tunnels under the wtc were supplying oxygen to the rubble? Before you say this isn't a natural occurrence that could happen underground, explain why there are coal fires still b urning underground in West Virginia for over 30 years. Maybe that has an endless supply of magic explosives and thermite too that keeps it going.

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Another problem is most of the evidence was destroyed by Giuliani and others so it will never get to be examined. Why all the secrecy why the rush to get rid of the debris why the sham investigation? There would be no need to do such things if there was nothing to hide....

There was never any secrecy, and it obviously wasn't rushed. The rush was to sift through the debris for survivors!

And yes, there was security there restricting access to the workers. Do you people should have just been give n free access while the rescue/cleanup operations went on. I don't know why this would be shocking considering civilians aren't allowed in other cleanup operations.

ANd if there was any real "cover up" why weren't people having their cameras and video cameras confiscated as they took pictures for months during the cleanup?

Other facts for security include the hundreds of millions in gold and silver that were in the debris. Maybe everyone should have been granted access to dig through the rubble for that too? It could have been a new gold rush. It was a crime scene, what do you CTers not understand about this?

Wow John313, you have an audacity that would put professional jewish rabble-rousers to shame.

Wow, just wow.

I incurred an infraction because of these people, werewolf too. I know when I smell a rat and when I don't.

John1313 is laying out serious evidence of explosives, evidence that this country knows is not right and would make anyone with an open, Gentile mind question what happened that day.

There's nothing whatsover that would cause these kind of temperatures other than being subjected to a massive temperature spike shortly before winding up in the debris pile.

No hydro-carbon fires, no kerosene lines, no gas tanks from cars in the basement, no sulphur from insulation.

Specific structural beams were subjected to high-temperature materials in the seconds before the collapse that caused them to fail and the heat created thereon was preserved until removed by the workers.

Get it straight. This country was snowed by 9/11 and those that push the government and Zionist media's lies ever onward.

I incurred an infraction because of these people, werewolf too. I know when I smell a rat and when I don't.

John1313 is laying out serious evidence of explosives, evidence that this country knows is not right and would make anyone with an open, Gentile mind question what happened that day.

He has laid out nothing but conjecture and repeated it over and over. His "evidence" has been debunked time and time again and he only continues to repost it over and over.

Lack of evidence is not evidence. Not a single shred of "explosives" he claims were found. The pictures of "molten steel" and "molten metal" were debunked using the same photographs and videos they came from.

Werewolf got infractions from his own actions and choice of words. I don't know what your infraction was for but to say we put a gun to your head and made you say or do whatever got you an infraction shows a major lack of responsibility on your own part for not adhering to the guidelines of posting. I hope you don;t go the route of werewolf and say that your infractions were received because you are trying to be silenced and those giving you the infractions are part of the conspiracy as well.

He has laid out nothing but conjecture and repeated it over and over. His "evidence" has been debunked time and time again and he only continues to repost it over and over.

Lack of evidence is not evidence. Not a single shred of "explosives" he claims were found. The pictures of "molten steel" and "molten metal" were debunked using the same photographs and videos they came from.

Werewolf got infractions from his own actions and choice of words. I don't know what your infraction was for but to say we put a gun to your head and made you say or do whatever got you an infraction shows a major lack of responsibility on your own part for not adhering to the guidelines of posting. I hope you don;t go the route of werewolf and say that your infractions were received because you are trying to be silenced and those giving you the infractions are part of the conspiracy as well.

The evidence is in everything you see in that debris field! Pulverized along with super-heated steel beams.

I can't for the life of me understand what you don't get. And that's precisely why I suspect you and Apparition for anyone with half-a-brain should see it.

My little entendres over you two are what got me an infraction. But that's OK. Don't worry yourself about it (like you will). I consider it a honor to fight back hard against such disinfo and/or stupidity on parade.

Convenient, so we just have to take your word for it right? As usual you even have a conspiracy as to why there were no pictures of this. Secondly, was it not shown that the tunnels under the wtc were supplying oxygen to the rubble? Before you say this isn't a natural occurrence that could happen underground, explain why there are coal fires still burning underground in West Virginia for over 30 years. Maybe that has an endless supply of magic explosives and thermite too that keeps it going.

No I expect you to take into account all the people that witnessed it and the fact it was even part of the 911 Hearings and on the mainstream media
It's typical of stupid BSer's to "debunk" one small piece of evidence and ignore the rest that doesn't fit into you denial of reality.

No it has a huge supply of coal to keep it going that is another stupid analogy from the King of stupid analogies But we are still at the same place as before you have not explained how the fires got so hot

There was never any secrecy, and it obviously wasn't rushed. The rush was to sift through the debris for survivors!

Yes they were looking for survivors. but you are mistaken most all the steel were disposed by shipping it to China ASAP

You are mistaken as usual they didn't let anybody see anything they didn't want them to see and reporters were rarely allowed onto ground zero especially with camera's

And yes, there was security there restricting access to the workers. Do you people should have just been give n free access while the rescue/cleanup operations went on. I don't know why this would be shocking considering civilians aren't allowed in other cleanup operations.

ANd if there was any real "cover up" why weren't people having their cameras and video cameras confiscated as they took pictures for months during the cleanup?

They did not just allow people to take pictures at will there were barriers erected to keep people from looking in
Other facts for security include the hundreds of millions in gold and silver that were in the debris. Maybe everyone should have been granted access to dig through the rubble for that too? It could have been a new gold rush. It was a crime scene, what do you CTers not understand about this?

Interesting you bring that up almost none of that gold has been recovered
Also yes is was definitely a crime scene the biggest crime of this century one that was never really investigated strange don't you think? Why did the Neo-cons stonewall any and all investigations start to finish?

But your arguments are as weak as your mind get back to me when you can explain how the fire got hot enough to melt steel beams

But your arguments are as weak as your mind get back to me when you can explain how the fire got hot enough to melt steel beams

There were never any melted steel beams. Though I do appreciate you repeatedly saying there were, as you still can't provide any evidence to support it. What was your excuse again.. oh yeah, people were kept from photographing them as part of the conspiracy.