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Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

Originally Posted by Montecresto

I agree with this caveat, terrorism expanded under Bush as well when we took a fight to Afghanistan and Iraq, Iraq particularly not connected to OBL, al Qaeda or 9/11. One of the stated purposes of the 9/11 attacks was US presence in the region. Bush hugely expanded that and provided the motivation for recruits. I'm not deflecting from your criticism of Obama, I agree with it, however what I'm suggesting to you is that presidents come and go, while US foreign policy remains largely consistent. Whether our diplomats are dispatched to make peace or war, it will be on the merits of what's good for big business who rules the day. And that for a very long time now. You recall the oligarch in the late 1800's who stated (and I paraphrase, I'm sure), give me control of a nations finances and I care not who makes the laws. Which is to say, big money makes the laws, sets policy. This micro perspective of party finger pointing misses the big picture. But one can't reason with the partisan, to him, its always the other parties fault, very discouraging MMC.

That quote was from Mayer Amschel Rothschild ...the same people who trigger conflict to profit from not only financing both side but, rebuilding afterwards. They've been doing that for a very long time

Not sure how we counteract that sort of evil.

"Have the courage to have your wisdom regarded as stupidity. Be fools for Christ. And have the courage to suffer the contempt of the sophisticated world." - Antonin Scalia

Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

Originally Posted by Montecresto

Here ya go, the reasons why "THEY" hate us, and for the 9/11 attacks. NOTE, you won't see anything about our values, freedoms, morals or any other such bull****!!!

The attacks of September 11, 2001 in the northeast United States were an organized terrorist act carried out by 19 hijackers, and organized by numerous members of al-Qaeda. Motives for the attacks were stated before and after the attacks in several sources, Osama bin Laden's declaration of a holy war against the United States, and a fatwā signed by bin Laden and others calling for the killing of American civilians in 1998, are seen by investigators as evidence of his motivation.[2]

In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[3][4] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia,[4][5][6] U.S. support of Israel,[7][8] and sanctions against Iraq.[9]

Do you think.....what Bin laden stated was his own gripes for his specic brand of AQ? As we know that Bin laded was being mentored by a couple Taliban members and the Z-man. Who's own visions go far beyond what Bin Laden's were.

Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

Originally Posted by MMC

Do you think.....what Bin laden stated was his own gripes for his specic brand of AQ? As we know that Bin laded was being mentored by a couple Taliban members and the Z-man. Who's own visions go far beyond what Bin Laden's were.

Sure, why not. Btw, when you view OBL's list of grievances against the US (that I posted above) there's little wonder why the attack was forth coming and few patriots in America will admit it because they're too busy bashing Obama, covering for Bush, or bashing Bush, covering for Obama. But clearly OBL had far FAR more legitimate reasons for attacking the US than the US had for attacking Iraq, yet Bush lives while OBL, not so much. As I keep hammering, partisan support for wrong doing is the problem, which proves that the partisan isn't interested in what's right, but obtaining and holding power.

Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama asked Congress Thursday for $500 million to train and arm vetted members of the Syrian opposition, as the U.S. struggles for a way to stem a civil war that has also fueled the al-Qaida inspired insurgency in neighboring Iraq.

The military training program would deepen the Obama administration's involvement in the more than four-year conflict between rebels and forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad. If approved by Congress, the program would supplement a covert train-and-assistance program run by U.S. intelligence agencies.

The Syria program is part of a broader $65.8 billion overseas operations request that the administration sent to Congress Thursday. The package includes $1 billion to help stabilize nations bordering Syria that are struggling with the effects of the civil war. It also formalizes a request for a previously announced $1 billion to strengthen the U.S. military presence in Central and Eastern Europe amid Russia's threatening moves in Ukraine.

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WTH? He really doesn't have a clue.

If he had any intent for Iraq to remain stable, he wouldn't have pulled our troops out.

Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

Originally Posted by Maenad

If he had any intent for Iraq to remain stable, he wouldn't have pulled our troops out.

If US foreign policy had the interest of stability in Iraq, there wouldn't have been a war for oil sold on the false pretence of a connection between Saddam Hussein and OBL, al Qaeda or 9/11. Instability and and infighting is good for big oil, and bad for the citizens of the ME region. Foreign policy follows the sig line.

Re: Obama seeks $500M to train, equip Syrian rebels

Originally Posted by Montecresto

If US foreign policy had the interest of stability in Iraq, there wouldn't have been a war for oil sold on the false pretence of a connection between Saddam Hussein and OBL, al Qaeda or 9/11. Instability and and infighting is good for big oil, and bad for the citizens of the ME region. Foreign policy follows the sig line.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but commerce is the name of the game. And let me remind you that Saddam used WMDs to kill hundreds of thousands of his own people. Have you ever been to the middle east? I would be curious to know. It seems that people who have been there have a somewhat different perspective than those who just read it in the news.