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Join Websleuths Radio for the final discussion of THE KILLING SEASON
with Josh Zemam, Rachel Mills and special guests including Bob Kolker author of Lost Girls

Well if it's relevant and it was still out there and LE couldn't find it then I would be very disappointed in our OPP.

Could have been a flip flop or a high heeled pump so then it wouldn't be relevant but I would think they would establish that. If I was on the jury I'd be scratching my head right now about that shoe. Why mention it and not talk about it?

Heck I'm not even on the jury and I'm scratching my head about that

MOO

ITA. They should have established it.

I used to do a lot of driving around - both in Toronto and out of town. Never failed to surprise me how many single and even pairs of shoes I'd see on the road and off to the side of the road. Lots and lots of them. Never understood the phenomenon except to think they fell off the backs of pick-up trucks, or kids threw them out the window.

IF the single shoe found by Lillian was one of the pair belonging to MTR, it shouldn't have been far from the missing one. Anyone searching for it should have found it, whether it was LE or MTR himself. If it had been MTR, he would have also picked up the one found by Lillian. So, I suspect this single, missing shoe had no relation to the Shaq pair, which is why no more was said about it. Frustrating for us, but unimportant to the investigation.

JMO

Men are apt to mistake the strength of their feeling for the strength of their argument. - William E. Gladstone

hummmm.... Perhaps MR went back and only found one shoe because "Lillian" had already picked up the other single shoe and TLM's pr.

MOO

That's possible, but then why didn't the Crown ask Lillian to describe the one she found and its proximity to the Shaq pair? If there had been the remotest possibility that it was MTR's shoe, I think more info would have been heard.

JMO

Men are apt to mistake the strength of their feeling for the strength of their argument. - William E. Gladstone

RaffertyLFP: Based on information from Terri-Lynne McClintic Scoyne said police mounted more intensive search of Sideroad 6 starting May 21, 2009

Court shown aerial view of Sideroad 6 in relation to Home Depot in Guelph

Scoyne said police obtained Shaq shoes found by Metcalfe on May 30

Scoyne says Metcalfe had the shoes in a plastic grocery bag. Police eventually seized them. They were told Metcalfe cleaned the shoes

Scoyne points out that shoes were laced in peculiar fashion, tucked behind tongue

In earlier testimony McClintic said she tied her shoes in that fashion

So the woman cleaned the shoes so she could donate them to the Sally Ann. When I clean running shoes, I remove the laces and throw everything in the washing machine. Obviously, she didn't even unlace them. It's possible forensics did find DNA, since they were only cleaned superficially. We will see. However, TLM has already confessed to kicking Tori and lacing her shoes that particular way. Nothing new here, just confirming what we've learned.

My sentiments as well ! Leaves me to wonder though... they couldn't have had any obvious signs of blood on them. Firstly, who finds and the WASHES blood soaked shoes ??? Secondly, if there "HAD" been obvious blood on the shoes -- certainly the Crown would have asked their witness !! One would hope anyhow !

The Crown will have to delay the rest of its testimony for this part of the trial because it is moving along "ahead of schedule" says Attorney Michael Carnegie. They have experts booked to testify at certain times and are unable to move those availabilities up.

I used to do a lot of driving around - both in Toronto and out of town. Never failed to surprise me how many single and even pairs of shoes I'd see on the road and off to the side of the road. Lots and lots of them. Never understood the phenomenon except to think they fell off the backs of pick-up trucks, or kids threw them out the window.

IF the single shoe found by Lillian was one of the pair belonging to MTR, it shouldn't have been far from the missing one. Anyone searching for it should have found it, whether it was LE or MTR himself. If it had been MTR, he would have also picked up the one found by Lillian. So, I suspect this single, missing shoe had no relation to the Shaq pair, which is why no more was said about it. Frustrating for us, but unimportant to the investigation.

JMO

Maybe something was said but it was missed in the tweets? Like the other shoe was found half a mile away or something. And was a ladies dress shoe or something. No idea how far Lillian walks LOL. Not a lot of reporters out there today. Will have to watch for the news articles. Sometimes they fill in stuff that the tweets don't.

Maybe something was said but it was missed in the tweets? Like the other shoe was found half a mile away or something. And was a ladies dress shoe or something. No idea how far Lillian walks LOL. Not a lot of reporters out there today. Will have to watch for the news articles. Sometimes they fill in stuff that the tweets don't.

MOO

London Free Press‏@RaffertyLFP

Sometime in March April 2009 she went for a walk near her home can't recall exact day

We know she couldn't have found them in March, so have to assume it was early April.

London Free Press‏@RaffertyLFP

Metcalfe was contacted on Sat May 30 by police.They were searching the area. She told police that she had found the shoes

She intended to give them to charity, but still had them in that shopping bag almost two months after finding them. What a lucky break for LE.

JMO

Men are apt to mistake the strength of their feeling for the strength of their argument. - William E. Gladstone

My sentiments as well ! Leaves me to wonder though... they couldn't have had any obvious signs of blood on them. Firstly, who finds and the WASHES blood soaked shoes ??? Secondly, if there "HAD" been obvious blood on the shoes -- certainly the Crown would have asked their witness !! One would hope anyhow !

MOO

When Tori went missing it was snowing and then was followed by weeks and weeks of cold rain

"The dead cannot cry out for justice; it is a duty of the living to do so for them."
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So the woman cleaned the shoes so she could donate them to the Sally Ann. When I clean running shoes, I remove the laces and throw everything in the washing machine. Obviously, she didn't even unlace them. It's possible forensics did find DNA, since they were only cleaned superficially. We will see. However, TLM has already confessed to kicking Tori and lacing her shoes that particular way. Nothing new here, just confirming what we've learned.

Actually I found it interesting that they established that TLM was telling the truth about throwing out shoes. They were found (by Lillian) where she said they would be.

The fact that Lillian only found her shoes is intriguing to me. Especially since we know that MR was back out in the area within days of the murder. If TLM was going to try to lead LE to the shoes, why would she lie and say both pairs were thrown out? Why not just say nothing about the shoes if it was only hers and there might be incriminating blood stains on them? She was the one that said there was no blood splatter at the scene from the actual murder.

And we don't know what kind of shoes MR was wearing but they may have been missed by people who knew him if they were distinctive. Like his mother, or Amanda, or any of his other friends.

TLM's were distinctive too but she made excuses to her mother about where her clothes went.

Actually I found it interesting that they established that TLM was telling the truth about throwing out shoes. They were found (by Lillian) where she said they would be.

The fact that Lillian only found her shoes is intriguing to me. Especially since we know that MR was back out in the area within days of the murder. If TLM was going to try to lead LE to the shoes, why would she lie and say both pairs were thrown out? Why not just say nothing about the shoes if it was only hers and there might be incriminating blood stains on them? She was the one that said there was no blood splatter at the scene from the actual murder.

And we don't know what kind of shoes MR was wearing but they may have been missed by people who knew him if they were distinctive. Like his mother, or Amanda, or any of his other friends.

TLM's were distinctive too but she made excuses to her mother about where her clothes went.

MOO

In the surveillance video of MR in the variety store at Petro Can, he is wearing white shoes (athletic type of shoes IMO).