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5342Re: Worship of Personality- Eckankar Style (BTW)

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avonblue1212

Sep 8, 2010

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Prometheus said:
This is why ECKists
aren't supposed to question the ECK Teachings
beyond their 2nd initiation, or else one
will be Black Listed on Initiations and/or
shunned. ECKists aren't permitted to
sort out the facts from the myth or from
the distortions and lies that Twitchell handed
down to D.G. and to Klemp.

Exactly - the minute you question or doubt (qualities of a rational mind) you're told you must not be doing your spiritual exercises regularly (in other words you are an inferior spiritual being) - which is just more brainwashing and a continuation of the cycle of deception. Or your told "doubt is good" it allows you to dig deeper and immerse yourself more into the "teachings". I like the concept of free thinking and choice.
AB

--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
>
> BTW- It should, also, be pointed out that
> ECK H.I.s are "higher" than the "God" of all
> religions since this GOD is no higher than
> the 4th Plane! Now, explain to me why these
> H.I. "Gods" cannot communicate completely
> on the "inner" with the "highest" God... the
> LEM/Mahanta? Why are these ECKist Gods
> so limited? Is ECKankar a Big Fat Lie? Yes!
>
> Really, think about it. Klemp states in his
> "Autobiography," on page 385, that the
> God of all religions is a 4th (Mental) Plane
> God and most H.I.s are 5th-7th Plane.
> Now, H.I.s should ask themselves, after
> their heads deflate, how do I, as well as,
> Klemp demonstrate this Level of Awareness
> that is "beyond" God's Consciousness?
>
> Okay, wake up! Here's the Catch-22.
> ECKists cannot experience "God Consciousness,"
> permanently, unless they become 8th Initiates.
> So, the 4th Plane God's Consciousness
> can only be experienced permanently
> when they become 8th initiates! However,
> remember that this 4th Plane God is KAL,
> i.e. the Devil, Satan.
>
> BTW- Isn't Sugmad also referred to as "God"
> in the EK Teachings? Sure! So, 8ths can experience
> SUGMAD (God) Consciousness on a regular basis?
> I don't think Klemp would allow this interpretation!
> HK's too selfish to put even 8ths on that level.
> It's too close to where he's standing is on the
> mountain.
>
> FYI- I happened to look up "ECK Masters"
> (12th initiates) in Klemp's 1st Lexicon and
> read that these guys "have reached a state
> of consciousness of relative perfection."
> Yet, isn't this said of our (4th Plane) God?
> Didn't 14th Plane Klemp once say that he
> too "wasn't perfect?" Confusing isn't it?
> That's the whole point! This is why ECKists
> aren't supposed to question the ECK Teachings
> beyond their 2nd initiation, or else one
> will be Black Listed on Initiations and/or
> shunned. ECKists aren't permitted to
> sort out the facts from the myth or from
> the distortions and lies that Twitchell handed
> down to D.G. and to Klemp.
>
> ECKankar is all make believe and comfortable...
> it's the Easy Way!
>
> Prometheus
>
>
> Hello Avonblue and ALL,
> Klemp is a hypocrite. I saw and heard him
> chastise a woman at a Spiritual Laws Seminar
> in Toronto once because during a Q&A she
> "adoringly" asked him a question. Klemp
> wanted to make it clear to everyone there
> that he was Not to be worshipped. His words
> to her were cruel and overreactive. I felt
> sorry for her she was crushed. I'm sure
> Klemp saw this as using "tough love," but
> in truth he violated the: "Is it True; Is it
> Necessary; Is it Kind" spiritual rule (of the
> Buddha) that many ECKists attempt to follow.
>
> Then again, at EK Seminars just watch
> how ECKies hang onto Klemp's every
> word and laugh and giggle at his nervous
> and poorly made attempts at humor.
> ECKists act as though they are in a trance
> or under a spell... from a Black Magician.
> And, Klemp eats it up! He loves the silly
> laughter... all the way to the bank.
>
> Yes, ECKists still worship him, but it's
> because he is the "Mahanta" who is 10
> Planes of Con. HIGHER than the "God" of:
> Islam; Christianity; Judaism; Hinduism;
> et al because these are 4th Plane religions.
> Klemp states this, of other religions, on
> page 385 of his "Autobiography." PT
> stated it as well in the Shariyat. Thus,
> if "GOD" (Kal, devil, satan) is of 4th Plane
> and HK as LEM is of the 12th and as
> Mahanta of the 14th Plane then why
> wouldn't he be worshipped? BTW- When
> is Klemp going to start to act like a 14th
> Plane GOD? Why does "GOD" need snail-
> mail IROs or "outer" Seminars, etc.?
>
> Really, Klemp (even as the 12th Plane LEM)
> is not only much more "Higher" and spiritually
> evolved than Muhammad, Jesus, Krishna,
> Buddha, etc. but also more spiritually advanced
> and evolved than the "God" these Prophets,
> and Masters worshipped.
>
> Yet, Klemp states that he doesn't want to
> be "worshipped" even though he has created
> an "ECK Worship Service" (EWS). However,
> Who/what is "worshipped" at an EWS? It's
> Klemp! He states that he is one with the
> ECK and is the ECK!
>
> See, Klemp is using Black Magic and Brainwashing
> techniques on ECKists. Is this a Catch-22, or
> some kind of a Paradox? It's really just a manipulation
> and a lie. Then again, in some ways it is a Catch-
> 22 for ECKists. Klemp wants to have it both ways,
> but it's the ECKists' getting screwed. This delusional
> thinking is just accepted without question. After
> years and years of overlooking the obvious contradictions
> one finally gives in and "surrenders" their intellect
> and rational thinking. This is the "Leap of Faith"
> that HK has spoken about and it's the same one
> that the 4th Plane religionists must take in order
> to accept those lies as well.
>
> Prometheus
>
>
>
> avonblue wrote:
>
>
> I always found it ironic the way eckankar claims its followers are taught to not
> worship the personality of the master but instead to recognize the inner
> consciousness of whomever this being happens to be in the physical. Yet with
> increasing frequency since the Twitch/Gross era, numerous photos of Klemp have
> been produced and marketed to the ekkie public. Furthermore, as has been noted
> by others repeatedly, the photo(s) of Klemp are all of the
> pre-gray/balding/thinner man. I recall numerous conversations and discussions
> in classes, seminars, literature where eckists (or Klemp himself) would chastise
> those not able to make the "spiritual" jump from Paul to Darwin or Darwin to
> Klemp, claiming they were worshipping or "attached" to the man, not recognizing
> the inner consciousness beyond the physical form.
>
> In MIchael Largo's new book, "God's Lunatics" he's created an encyclopedia of
> the ridiculous and comical to the horrific and maniacal search for god as
> expressed in every conceivable religious practice throughout the ages (he even
> cites eckankar with Venusian origins). Most interesting is his description of
> the Cult of Personality or Celebrity Worship.
>
> He claims Khrushchev was the first to use the phrase "cult of personality" in
> reference to his disapproval of Stalin's massive media campaign to elevate
> himself to a god. He tells how Hitler, Mao, Saddam, Kim-Jong-II and others of
> this ilk who "made their omniscient presence a part of daily life through the
> proliferation of their image." These images, he states, were accompanied by the
> message of their goodness, wisdom and power and this influence was impossible to
> escape.
>
> Does this sound at all familiar? I find it very revealing of the cult ethics
> this organization openly utilizes but never professes to. Having been there I
> know how difficult it is to see the trickery when you're caught in the
> brainwashing and taught over and over to "trust" the "master" or trust your
> inner guidance. Of course the inner guidance eckists believe they have has all
> been expertly crafted from their very first days of participation. How?
> Remember being taught to avoid the writings of other teachers/practices and only
> read ek literature in the beginning as it will "confuse you" and slow your
> progress? If you shun, doubt, disregard the "master" you risk becoming lost in
> the astral worlds... , really? So we're supposed to accept a farm boy from
> Wisconsin was sent here to guide us back - that we have no ability or inherent
> wisdom ourselves? If we don't accept eckankar over any number of crackpot
> philosophies out there we'll have to return again and again until we do? Wow -
> I actually believed some of this stuff!!!
>
> More interesting but beyond the scope of this post is what neuroscience has
> revealed about the mind and it's functional ability and deficits as well as what
> quantum physics has revealed about the seen and unseen physical universe over
> the last 10 years or so. Seems all the stuff of religion and spirituality is
> emerging science after all. All the inner powers and gifts that eck claimed to
> offer was there all along. Take a little time to investigate even the layman
> books on these subjects - it's fascinating. Of course that's if you can get by
> the other ek credo that looks at the mind, and rational thought for that matter,
> as just a lowly bodily function.
>