Buoware have been lying to us on how balance should work. Madness is sustained rDPS and its dps is so low compare to burstly mDPS.. even though they should be on the same target dps. Any range class is better thn a sorc. People who are trying to say that we sorcs are crying too much are wrong. I am a top sorc on a dummy and I can do revan hm as a sorc dps but there is no way my sorc is usefull. I do 5.1k on core burn as a sorc while on a merc arsenal i can do over 6,5k. I rerolled on mara and managed to do 6,5k on core without even trying hard.

So yeah sorc need a big buff otherwise it still will be the wors dps class for NiM content and ranked pvp.

PT is the best mDPS atm. Feels like good players left the game and only casual players stayed that don't do NiM contend and Tr but do sm and unranked and saying thet sorcs are ok.. tired or u guys...

Top sorc parse in 2017? LuL. Do you want a cookie? You complain about sorc dps. Have you even cleared all of the NiM content as one this tier? If not then I really don't think you are in a position to talk about what/why sorc is "bad". Lightning is perfectly fine where it is. Madness does need a boost for sure, but all I ever see from you is complaints with no concrete ideas on what could/should be changed. Do you want sorc to be better or do you just want to complain about how bad it is? Based on your post history over the last year I would say it's the latter.

Buoware have been lying to us on how balance should work. Madness is sustained rDPS and its dps is so low compare to burstly mDPS.. even though they should be on the same target dps. Any range class is better thn a sorc. People who are trying to say that we sorcs are crying too much are wrong. I am a top sorc on a dummy and I can do revan hm as a sorc dps but there is no way my sorc is usefull. I do 5.1k on core burn as a sorc while on a merc arsenal i can do over 6,5k. I rerolled on mara and managed to do 6,5k on core without even trying hard.

So yeah sorc need a big buff otherwise it still will be the wors dps class for NiM content and ranked pvp.

PT is the best mDPS atm. Feels like good players left the game and only casual players stayed that don't do NiM contend and Tr but do sm and unranked and saying thet sorcs are ok.. tired or u guys...

I have seen you go into every other's classes forum and defend why they were nerfed more and harder than they should have been based on what reason's were given by Bioware for doing so. At the same time I have seen you ask for buffs when you're spec [madness] is one of the VERY few specs in the game that did not get nerfed in the class balalacing fiasco of 5.x, but in fact got BUFFed.

You want two buffs in a meta that has seen multiple specs nerfed repeatedly? You are out of your mind if you think any spec or class in this game deserves multiple buffs back to back in this meta, all the more so that Madness is a ranged spec. This is a ranged meta, if sorcs were so bad you wouldn't see 700 million of them in WZ. I would make the claim, that after mercs and snipers, and sometimes even more than snipers, you see more sorcs in WZs than any other class. Furthermore, at least in WZ, Sorc DPS, especially Madness is far from suck, in fact, I see Madness toping the scoreboard on ocassion. I know a few Lightining sorcs who seem to be able to rip a merc or sniper's *** apart and Mara's but smart use of their utility choices, slows, and their 35' attack range which is only equaled by snipers.

Anyone who thinks that Sorc DPS should be anything but on the lower side is not being impartial in their appraisal of their classes. Madness is a ranged sustained dot-spread class, and I've seen you asking for better burst. A sustained, ranged dot-spread spec, sure, because good burst makes sense than, right?

Of course you're mara should do better DPS. What idiot would think that it should be any other way? It's a melee class = harder and less range and here's a couple of other reasons why it should do more damage than your sorc - It can't heal, it can't off heal, it can't switch specs, it can't attack from 30' when mechanics force it to move out of it's attack range [and if you're really doing Revan HM, don't tell me that range doesn't matter and you have the same up time on your mara as your sorc, becauses that's a ball faced lie. You're not the only one who has ever done Revan HM on a Mara.], it can't teleport, it can't pull people out of danger, it can't get healed AT THE EXACT SAME TIME it does damage [that's a more valid argument for Lightning, but it isn't for Madness], it has half the CC options [Sorcs have reactive CC ability], it's not as flexibly mobile,it cannot move as fast as a Sorc can, and last but not least, it's alot safer to play a sorc than it is to play a Mara, sorcs aren't within 4' of bosses all the time [pretty much never] time, which is exactly where Maras have to be most of the time. Where you get the idea that Madness is hard to play, I can't even begin to imagine, even Lighting is harder than madness.

Defenses are valid arguments to make in PVP, Sorc defenses and heals aren't valid arguments with regard to DPS output in PVE. You will always have healers around to heal you, in addition to having the option of healing yourself. Sorc heals may come at the expense of some DPS [More lightning than madness], but, it's a nice option to have, and one that Maras don't have at all. Adding to that argument, there is the old standby which I'm sure if you are so a master raider that you have undoubtedly heard - You can't DPS when you are dead. So, a dps loss to heal one's self, is a far smaller dps loss than death is.

Ohh yeah, and last time I checked, Sorc dps isn't the lowest, but I don't see you calling for buffs to that class that is under you.

You don't want balance, you don't want fair, you don't even want what's best for the game. You want Sorc superiority. If, you wanted balance, fair, and what's best for the game, you wouldn't be doing two things.

1 - Going into every other class forum when they get nerfed and applauding BW for nerfing them and defending even those nerfs that are completely unfounded.

2 - Supporting the class balancing strategy that BW is using currently, which by it's very essence ensure's that class balance can never be even remotely achieved.

You call for nerfs of literealy every other single class, you cackle with delight at every other classes nerf, but than you have the balls to cry rivers because your spec didn't get buffed TWICE?? - Stop using defensives, survival, or what DCDs the other ranged specs have as a basis for anything to due with class balance, because under the current system which you are trying to make them stick too, and which you site with glee and applaud BW whenever any other class get's nerfed justly or not, DCDs nor survival, nor utility, nor DPS loss due to self healing, or that you can't attack when you're totally invulnerable, or any other variable for that matter, because none of that matters under the current strategy being used for class balance. These things should matter, but they don't. But honestly, it wouldn't be much better for sorcs if they did matter, because there would be quite a few reasons why their dps should still be on the lower end, because they have so many other abilities and support capabilities that they are unmatched in.

For the record, I have always supported Sorcs even though I never have no would I ever even consider playing one, they are always my first choice to have as an Ally. If I can have any class to buddy up with in PVP, I'd pick a sorc every single time because they are useful as hell, have so many abilities that can effect objectives, and are the best support class in the entire game due to their diversity and ability to effect other plays beneficially.

Keeping calling for nerfs of everyone around you. Keep going into other class forums when they get nerfed and applaud the BW for nerfing them. Keep thinking that you are owed a second buff in the same meta where virtually every other class has specs that were nerfed multiple times and are a lot harder to play then madness. Keep trying to work your class to the top by stepping over and on everyone else's with joy. - No spec in this game, in this meta of unrelenting and at times even baseless nerfs, deserves a double buff. People would lose their minds.

Karma's a bytch.

P.S. That you base the current DPS pecking order on the top parses on Parsely explains a lot, about a great many of your opinions.

well played sorc is still super annoying to deal with, they still have a overloaded kit with lots of utility.

sorcs is the only class with 3 oops i messed up button.
aoe knock back
speed boost every few seconds
teleport thats game changing
pull
free damage mitigation bubbles that can be applied on allies.
much easier energy management, force > heat/ammo/energy
one of the best instant self heals
leave me along bubble
2 decent dps spec
best and easiest heal spec

before any buffs can be given to sorc, their utility will need to be lowered significantly

Madness with high alacrity is almost as good as IO - flawless parses will be between 9.5k and 10k depending on crits (whereas IO right now, played flawlessly, is between 9600-10.3k - a wider range).

Lightning is still lagging behind a bit, doing between 9300-9800. Arsenal and Marksman do between 9300-9700, so lightning is a little ahead of the curve. Virulence and Engineering are way overperforming (10k+) but are rng-heavy.

Hahah some of u guys just want sorc to be bad. Go do NiM and see how bad u will perform on dps challenges compare to other classes. I rerolled already and I have 0 problems playing on the other class but I hate how devs ruined my favorite class in the game after listening to warzone noobs in 4.0.

Are you seriously saying that DPS Sorcerers should care about Off-Heals? Or pulling someone from danger? Are you f**king serious? DPS Sorcerers concentrate on damage input, whom from the Sorcerers players who play DPS spec would concentrate on Off-Healing or Pulling someone out of danger? Are you telling me that when you play Scoundrel/Operative, you do off heal when you play pure DPS spec? Come on, don't make me laugh... NO ONE from the DPS who play Healer Classes, heal anyone during an OP... even when its too late or the Healers themselves are indanger... and in most casses most healers do just fine in OPs, without Off-Heal... and as far for Healing in PvP Ranked Matches... the only skill which a sorcerer DPS use as a heal, is the Unnatural Preservation in the most tough moments and still doesn't help... because in the next second... you took double more damage... and on top of that, if you use the Bubble, it gets squished on the second hit... where is the Balance in that? Because I see none... and I am Sorcerer DPS, with 248 Item Ratings, who does daily PvP ranked... and I still have a hard time surviving... because its almost Impossible! Especially if Marauder is behind you with a slow and saber throws... there is NO BALANCE in that! No matter what you tell me...

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The specs are pretty much fine; it's the defensive that needs adjusting, because you waste too many GCDs trying to keep yourself alive in pvp.

The damage isn't too far off the mark. With the new augments, a passable madness parse is like 9800; a passable lightning parse is like 9550. That's not too far from the other ranged classes. Madness only needs about a 200 dps increase; lightning needs maybe 50 at most. If bioware simply buffed Demolish overall damage by 11 percent for madness, and buffed Thundering Blast by 2 percent, they would hit these targets.

Moving static barrier off the GCD (and giving it a 4 second cooldown) would go a long way. Better yet, move resurgence off the GCD as well (but extend its CD to 9 seconds). This would still emphasize kiting while rewarding players with high apm by increasing their DPS under pressure.

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