40 insured Moroses is still 80 billion lost if properly fitted (insurance payout minus insurance price gives you back 1.1b only, and Moros with proper fit is 3 billion). That's almost three supers' or almost a titan's worth of ISK. Would you trade 2-3 supers for a titan and two supers? Yes, it's a win but it's not a great trade.

It's a glory win. And if you consider only BL+pizza vs CFC, yes, it's a complete win.But weakening you to weaken only one opponent isn't a complete win in EVE. You're not alone.Still pretty good. Dreads are expandable these days.

Supers died.But alas, not all supers in the game died.Maybe all titan owners could get 25 dreads in their hangars, and all supercarrier pilots 15 carriers... Get all super skills reimbursed ?That would have been a great day for eve online.

If you note, Vily said that Black Legion came away the winners of this engagement. Black legion made fewer mistakes and were able to extricate a portion of their dread fleet after supers hit the field.

Definitely worth it on paper, but you gotta wonder how more crystal sets BL will have to farm as opposed to CFC just setting aside a day's worth of Tech. On the other hand though, there are a lot more dreads sitting around for sale, and are easier to replace than supers. Good fight all around, I'd say.

That's not true. I only had midgrade insurance that cost ~100mill and was paid 1.9b. So, in all, it cost me 1b to get a titan killmail. Who wouldn't do that?http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_de...Thanks Obama.

My role as a moderator is to ban racists and EN24-tier badposters from the comment section. In comments, I don't have to maintain any neutrality or anything because I don't speak for the site, and I'm not setting up a separate Disqus account just to be able to express my fucking opinion on things without shitlords complaining about me having opinions while having a mod tag.Seriously, moderators on virtually every forum take part in discussions and their mod tag has no bearing on anything. I'm not doing "damage control," so get fucked. Also Raiden has absolutely nothing to do with this fight, idiot

so 80 or so billion lost, versus a 70bil titan, supers were another 50 or 60bil at least, 10 dreads would be another 30 bil (20 if insured) . so 140bil of kills for 80bil lost. oh yeah dont forget the support cfc lost too

He clearly didn't say that.« Vily: Black Legion clearly won the fight, but paid a high price for it. 1 titan, 2 super carriers and 7 to 10 dreadnoughts is not worth 40 dreadnoughts. » It's just damage control, i'm sure the CFC would have done the same in BL. position. Replacing a dread isn't even remotely difficult for a single member, and most alliance have cap building/buying program.

battle of attrision makes it 2 totally different things. tho I guess it can be hard to see for some grunts. CFC can take those looses without loosing night sleep. while BL can take those losses now and then, but not every week to put it like that:P

“Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Alfred Pennyworth, The Dark Knight

Perhaps somewhere in this quote one can find the motivation of some alliances. Perhaps by understanding this idea it would explain the mentality of some coalitions, alliances, and corporations. Perhaps it will explain why we all play EVE Online.

A DANGEROUS HICCUP

The setting: May 23rd, northern Venal. Confederation of xXPIZZAXx had convinced Black Legion to engage some Cluster Fuck Coalition towers, hoping to provoke a response. Black Legion formed the Crystal Army, a large dreadnought fleet funded by Crystal implants farmed in Venal and sold in high security space.

Vily (GSF): Black Legion was spotted forming dreads to reinforce POS's and we knew they were going after Razor's. So we did the standard numbers checks and preparations. Word came in that they were hitting a POS in MC6-5J system. So I called for people to be at their log in screens as we got the rest of the fleet formed. I then started moving midpoints and doing other preparation work.

It was at this point where Vily ran into an issue with his Mumble VOIP service and had to divert some attention to resolve the situation while still trying to prepare the fleet. During the minutes Vily was off comms, Kilgarth decided to take the fleet over and jump on the opportunity of killing a bunch of dreadnoughts, not realizing that there was a critical midpoint missing for a majority of the fleet.

This of course meant no support being anywhere near the titans they were planning on dropping. Kilgarth's lustful appetite would very quickly be exploited by Black Legion and Confederation of xXPIZZAXx in the minutes that followed. Without the support fleet to back up their newly dropped super capitals, the CFC super capitals were in big trouble.

LaserzPewPew (BL): Our intention was to gang warp out, but one of our dreadnoughts was caught. So in turn we put bubbles on their fleet and warp the dreadnoughts back on top of them. We started working on the super carriers first, then a dread and once a couple titans jumped in, started focusing on one.

Lucian James (BL): We had good intel and Elo Knight told us to focus on a specific Erebus he believed to be capacitor fit. We overloaded and it melted.

RESTORING ORDER

Moments before the Erebus died, Vily managed to restore communication on Mumble and provide the critical midpoint for the rest of the CFC fleet. Things were out of control for Goonswarm in MC6-5J, so much so in all the confusion a Fatal Ascension titan pilot doomsdayed one of its own comrades in a dreadnought. There was also trouble keeping cyno ships alive long enough for reinforcements to enter the battlefield. Black Legion killed them moments after they lit, forcing Goonswarm to trickle their fleet into system and allowing Black Legion to engage smaller portions of the enemy fleet, piecemeal.

Vily: I told the titans to jump to the midpoint and switch to capacitor fit to allow them to jump as soon as possible. That implies you switch back to combat fit for the fight, but I was not clear enough with that for the new titan pilot. He jumps into the fight with the rest of us, but is cap fit, bounces and is out of range to refit to a combat fit. Black Legion and company primary him and he is killed. Once we had our titans on the field, the enemy dreads are cleaned up rather quickly.

Meanwhile, Lucian was commanding the support fleet helping take down the capitals and then proceeded to engage the CFC support fleet which had been on top of the BL cyno off of the POS. Lucian then noticed they started to microwarp drive down towards the capital fight.

Lucian James: I warped us to distance from them and started picking them off one by one, which our Muninns had enough alpha to insta-pop. I had trouble keeping up with broadcasting them because they were popping so fast.

They then followed the Razor support fleet to the sun where they found them setting up a drag bubble, with their fleet unfortunately still inside it. Black Legion and Pizza proceeded to systematically annihilate them while the remaining part of the Black Legion and Pizza dreadnoughts were killed.

Vily: Black Legion clearly won the fight, but paid a high price for it. 1 titan, 2 super carriers and 7 to 10 dreadnoughts is not worth 40 dreadnoughts. We had sub-capitals ready to go until 10 minutes after the fight was over. Part of the preparation I never had a chance to do is to plan the reinforcement route, which is how your sub-capitals will move to the fight.

Ron Mexxico (BL): I would lose 10 insured dreads for a fight like that again.

Vily: The fight would have gone very differently had the call been left to me. They went in early and without a clear picture and paid the price, leaving me to clean up the mess. Black Legion played it well and didn't make many mistakes. Credit where it is due.

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Update: Editor's Note -It appears that the final quote/summary of Vily's comments on this piece was altered by accident. Previously, a line was mistakenly included implying that Vily referred to the fight as a "Pyrrhic Victory" for Black Legion.

(12:18:02 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: had the call been left to me it would have been a very different fight

(12:18:29 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: they went in early and without a clear picture

(12:18:33 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: and they paid the price

(12:18:41 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: and left me to try and clean up the mess

(12:19:04 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: BL played it well and didn't make many mistakes

(12:19:29 AM) vily@goonfleet.com/dd28eaed: credit where its due

We apologize to Vily; this was not a malicious error on Marlona Sky's part, as there had been discussion in TMC jabber with 'Pyrrhic Victory' bandied around by some contributors, and Marlona mistook one such contributor comment in jabber for being part of the Vily quote above. It was also four in the morning and a mountain lion had literally just eaten Marlona's neighbor's dog - I Am Not Making This Up.