[10:07] <@daskoon> in fact some people haven't heard we've been talking

[10:07] <@daskoon> so i'm trying to let them know to be civil

[10:08] <krispykrackers> it's okay. I don't take anything personally and I can underderstand why they're pissed

[10:08] <@daskoon> good, good

[10:08] <@daskoon> an example of what i'm working with...

[10:09] <@daskoon> I just would have said. "Do ye rub yer cunny hole with a dirty finger everytime you unban us for a few hours like a dog you pretend to take the leash off of and laugh as it runs off at full speed only to be choked when it reaches the end of the chain?"

[10:09] <@daskoon> so, yeah... trying to calm some of them down

[10:09] <@daskoon> let them know you didn't reban us and etc.

[10:09] <krispykrackers> and I would say "No, not normally. Obviously Erik and I have different opinions, and we're working those out at the moment."

[10:09] <@daskoon> right

[10:09] <krispykrackers> Yeah, I didn't reban...

[10:10] <@daskoon> not normally

[10:10] <@daskoon> lmfao

[10:10] <krispykrackers> :)

[10:10] <@daskoon> well, what's in a bit?

[10:10] <@daskoon> you said you couldn't chat now, but in a bit...

[10:15] <@daskoon> krispykrackers shall we set a time? do you have time at lunch or late tonight? or wat?

[10:16] <krispykrackers> i'm getting ready to have a talk with Erik, gotta do some actual work, so maybe like around 1 or 2 ish?

[10:52] <@daskoon> she unbanned without knowing the backstory HP rebanned and came down on her

[10:52] <prosh> Ah

[10:52] <prosh> Well I'd like to know what the ban/reban was actually for

[10:52] <@daskoon> i'm not sayin she's on our side...

[10:53] <end3r> HP sucks, I used to think he was cute, but I take it back.

[10:53] <@daskoon> but she got into trouble over it too, so like... she's kinda on our raft up this shit river

[10:53] <prosh> As I said in modsext, If the only reason we were banned was for some shitty kleinbl00-TOS-gustapo discovery... we should be unbanned, as f7u12 and all others were

[10:53] <prosh> It's completely unfair to apply rules differently depending on how much you like the subreddit

[10:54] <@daskoon> fake_ are you my penis?

[10:54] <prosh> We also need to find a way to make HP less butthurt and less likely to continue using his secret list of unvafourable redditors on which he bases the banning of subreddits which haven't violated TOS in any way...

[10:54] <prosh> I feel bad for VA

[10:54] <@daskoon> i know he got sucked into this shit storm too

[10:54] <fake_> So....are we just looking for reasons to get people to attack reddit on the content we put out then turn around and shame reddit for the censorship?

[10:54] <prosh> Even though he says he doesn't care, creepyteenagefapmaterial was his baby...

[10:55] <@daskoon> lmfao

[10:55] <prosh> Who's fake and why aren't they making any sense?

[10:55] <prosh> Smells like ickisthekiller

[10:56] <fake_> I'm miso, I figured out what you guys were talking about and I'm on acid.

[10:56] <@daskoon> miso horney

[10:57] <prosh> Lewl

[10:57] <fake_> This was a very productive meeting.

[10:57] <prosh> Bye

[10:57] <end3r> I got a new found respect for VA in all of this, I used to think he was just a douchy suckup... but now I see he's a douche with principals

[11:27] <prosh> HP never elaborated or replied to any messages, and while that seems to be his modus operand for all subreddits, we need to know in order for this discussion to be of any real impact

[11:27] <@daskoon> its kinda funny an admin asking us why...

[11:27] <thedevilsdiction> she's the perfect scapegoat

[11:28] <krispykrackers> Well I didn't know the whole story, and I'm wondering if you guys know what actually happened, because we can't tell who fucks with CSS specifically, and when something happens that's unacceptable, it's impossible to know who did what, and unfortunately everyone gets blamed for it

[11:28] <@daskoon> well what if in the CSS we sign our code?

[11:28] <prosh> I don't understand why we were banned...

[11:28] <end3r> Y U BLAME ME?

[11:28] <krispykrackers> Okay

[11:28] <prosh> The CSS modifications I've heard about were responsible for the subreddit's first ban.

[11:29] <thedevilsdiction> that was a long time ago

[11:29] <prosh> The reason for the most recent one, which you became involved in, is unclear to us.

[11:29] <krispykrackers> we don't want to discourage anyone from messing with the CSS

[11:29] <@daskoon> and what of the question about getting it back under private? so one sees us jerking, no problems

[11:29] <krispykrackers> some of the best CSS hacks we've gotten are from users

[11:29] <krispykrackers> hang on!

[11:29] <krispykrackers> i'm getting there

[11:29] <@daskoon> ok

[11:29] <krispykrackers> Like I said, CSS modifications, for the most part, are hugely beneficial to reddit as a whole

[11:30] <krispykrackers> But apparently, some of the stuff that went on in CJ was actually detrimental to the site

[11:30] <@daskoon> they are neat

[11:30] <prosh> User kleinbl00 has mentioned that his was trawling Cjkers for technical TOS infractions, which other subreddits aren't held accountable for

[11:30] <krispykrackers> don't worry about TOS

[11:30] <prosh> Such as F7U12's modifications

[11:30] <krispykrackers> yes yes I'm getting there

[11:30] <prosh> I think it's unfair to justify banning us on TOS grounds while being lenient to other subreddits

[11:33] <krispykrackers> And unfortunately, we can't tell who did it exactly. So it looks bad on everyone.

[11:33] <prosh> In the form of a submission to Circklejerkers?

[11:33] <prosh> Or the CSS Stylesheet?

[11:33] <krispykrackers> The stylesheet I presume

[11:33] <@daskoon> so essentially, we showed you a bug you didn't know about?

[11:33] <prosh> So placing a link to another subreddit, in the sidebar?

[11:33] <thedevilsdiction> this sounds like a frame job, if someone did that they would also have to report it or brag about it for it to be caught faster than we could even know it happened

[11:33] <thedevilsdiction> and without our knowledge

[11:33] <krispykrackers> no

[11:33] <prosh> That's the only scenario I can see that working in?

[11:34] <krispykrackers> Changing links that people think are going to take them to one place, actually taking them to another.

[11:34] <prosh> Do you have the specifics of the malicious CSS? I have no idea what you're referring too

[11:34] <krispykrackers> Within a post perhaps

[11:34] <@daskoon> i heard the term click jacking?

[11:34] <thedevilsdiction> none of us are capable of that

[11:34] <prosh> So not the CSS Stylesheet?

[11:34] <end3r> I don't get what's the problem with clickjacking if no money is involed? it's just a prank

[11:35] <krispykrackers> Umm. I'm kind of technologically retarded. So I'll just give you a specific example.

[11:35] <prosh> End3r, do you have knowledge of it occurring? If not, don't defend it.

[11:35] <thedevilsdiction> we aren't smart enough either

[11:35] <@daskoon> yeah it sounds like a scummy thing to do, even for us

[11:35] <prosh> A specific example would help a lot, preferably one pertaining to us if HP will share it.

[11:36] <krispykrackers> Let's say you click on the "permalink" button, thinking that would take you to where it's supposed to go, but it actually applied malware to your computer or something. That's malicious and unacceptable.

[11:36] <krispykrackers> I'm not even sure if you could do that, but it's an example of what I'm talking about

[11:36] <prosh> I'm pretty confident such a thing never occured

[11:36] <@daskoon> oh fuck that, we're not out to fuck up the machine. we're just out to fuck with peoples heads

[11:36] <thedevilsdiction> i as well

[11:37] <krispykrackers> Well things like that happened, whether you are aware or not.

[11:39] <prosh> I don't see how this conversation can progress without him detailing the specifics of the situation

[11:39] <thedevilsdiction> we probably added someone who was out to get us

[11:39] <prosh> This is all news to me

[11:39] <krispykrackers> you're right, thedevilsdiction

[11:39] <krispykrackers> but unfortunately we don't have those types of tools

[11:39] <krispykrackers> which is another problem with reddit

[11:39] <@daskoon> 60+ mods, someone was out to get us

[11:39] <krispykrackers> we are very, very limited in what we can and can't do

[11:39] <prosh> So is this malicious CSS the reason behind the most recent ban?

[11:40] <krispykrackers> The most recent ban was my fault.

[11:40] <prosh> There weren't many Mods then, were there?

[11:40] <prosh> Sorry, the most recent ban prior to your rebanning

[11:40] <krispykrackers> I read the unban request in redditrequest, and a very, very good argument was made

[11:40] <@daskoon> everyone was a mod

[11:40] <krispykrackers> I didn't know the whole back story, and I agreed with the argument (the f7u12 argument)

[11:40] <krispykrackers> so I unbanned you guys. then I got in trouble. and now, here we are.

[11:40] <@daskoon> yea thats what i thought

[11:41] <@daskoon> what of the private thing tho. if nobody else can see our malicious code, its only malious to us

[11:41] <krispykrackers> well

[11:41] <krispykrackers> That would be fine in my eyes.

[11:41] <prosh> I don't think it's fair to plead for unbanning just yet

[11:41] <krispykrackers> In fact, I almost suggested it

[11:41] <prosh> We need to uncover what occured

[11:41] <prosh> And what HueyPriest's issues were

[11:42] <krispykrackers> I emailed daskoon the CSS code the other week

[11:42] <thedevilsdiction> well krispykrackers you lay with dogs you get fleas, to quote a notable redditor

[11:42] <thedevilsdiction> sorry we gave you fleas

[11:42] <krispykrackers> But the malicious stuff was probably already deleted

[11:42] <krispykrackers> lol!

[11:42] <prosh> So HP deleted the Malicious CSS?

[11:42] <prosh> Without recording what it was or what it did?

[11:42] <prosh> ...

[11:42] <krispykrackers> I don't know if he did, or if the person who did it did, or anything

[11:43] <prosh> Is this supposed malicious CSS responsible for the ban that you removed? I'd appreciate it if you could clarify that important point.

[11:43] <krispykrackers> and he didn't say that he did, so I'm going plead ignorance.

[11:43] <krispykrackers> I don't know.

[11:43] <thedevilsdiction> now i'm embarassed that krispykrackers even has to deal with this lol, i mean.. silly drama

[11:43] <krispykrackers> It's okay

[11:43] <thedevilsdiction> over some text code someone typed

[11:43] <@daskoon> well look, lets just say... hypothectically... HP or someone who had it out for us and got a sockpuppet account to befreind us.

[11:44] <prosh> Daskoon, that's pretty unlikely

[11:44] <krispykrackers> HP has more important things to do than that

[11:44] <thedevilsdiction> it was the zionists!

[11:44] <@daskoon> then they got modded because we hand them out like candy

[11:44] <prosh> Without any specifics on the issue I don't see how the ban can possibly be maintained

[11:44] <@daskoon> eh. i dunno

[11:44] <krispykrackers> trust me, he doesn't like this situation either, and admits that he could have handled it better

[11:44] <@daskoon> well then do it

[11:44] <@daskoon> lol

[11:45] <prosh> Your argument, or HP's which you are repeating, has thus far been nothing more than "there was malicious css or something, it could have possibly done x, but it's deleted now"

[11:45] <krispykrackers> No

[11:45] <krispykrackers> This conversation isn't over

[11:45] <prosh> Of course not

[11:45] <krispykrackers> and will probably result in some community management changes for reddit as a whole

[11:45] <@daskoon> look, if we're on private, what harm can it do

[11:45] <thedevilsdiction> we're beta testers!

[11:45] <prosh> But from what you've said, I don't see how it justifies the ban.

[11:46] <thedevilsdiction> very very naughty beta testers

[11:46] <@daskoon> fuck that

[11:46] <@daskoon> we're alpha testers

[11:46] <@daskoon> we're testing the alphas

[11:46] <@daskoon> that's for sure

[11:46] <krispykrackers> Why do you think it isn't justified? Someone in your group was threatening the integrity of the site, and we don't know who it was. I'm not saying I would have made the same move Erik did, but *something* had to be done.

[11:47] <@daskoon> i think he's saying its to vague

[11:47] <krispykrackers> And this is a completely unprecedented circumstance.

[11:47] <@daskoon> something something something dark side

[11:47] <prosh> I'm sure you understand that I can't just take this vague recollection of evil CSS as an appropriate reason

[11:47] <thedevilsdiction> so that's point #1, is there more, as you eluded to?

[11:47] <krispykrackers> He has to be vague. Because the next steps are unclear for everyone.

[11:47] <prosh> I'm sorry, I don't understand.

[11:47] <@daskoon> yes, lets move on to other points

[11:48] <thedevilsdiction> well look KK, i just said i am friends IRL with synth3t1c

[11:48] <@daskoon> we're getting nowehre here

[11:48] <thedevilsdiction> and i know what he did to get F7U12 banned

[11:48] <krispykrackers> There was voting cheating going on as well.

[11:48] <prosh> Why Circlejerkers is currently banned is probably the most important point of all

[11:48] <thedevilsdiction> and i am not copying that anywhere on my subreddits