#mencallmethings is just another example of how women (in first world countries) don’t have any actual problems. Between the government and manginas doing everything for women, no woman has any true problems. Any “problem” a woman has is because of one of these reasons:

1. A desire for the equivalent of fried ice. IOW she wants something that is physically impossible.

That’s it. When a woman has to go through 1% of what a typical non-alpha man has to go through then maybe she can talk about having actual problems. Until that happens women should keep their mouths shut.

Exactly. We need to stop talking about men raping women to focus on the much more important issue of women not having sex with White and Nerdy.

But I am wondering about one thing. Is it possible that the women in question were asking for fried rice instead of fried ice? Because fried rice is totally a thing, and if you call up the proper restaurant someone will literally bring it to your door.

I wonder if Brandon isn’t so much irredeemably stupid as he is incapable of admitting when he’s wrong.

I used to have an IRL friend like that who would twist himself into knots trying to defend some obviously nonsensical/factually correct thing or other, only to stalk off fuming when no-one agreed with him. Brandon has a similar habit pulling an “I meant to do that!” when it’s pointed out to him that he’s just said something eye-poppingly dumb.

NWO – @katz
“Applied: I went to a pizza restaurant and most of the people there liked pizza. I bet if I went to all the non-pizza restaurants too, I’d find even higher rates of people liking pizza!

At the pool, I found that most people knew how to swim. I bet if I looked at all the people who didn’t go to the pool, I’d find even higher rates of knowing how to swim!

Most people who take the GREs in order to get into grad school score very high. I bet if everyone took the GREs, they would score even higher!”

Do any of these strawmen excuse paternity fraud?”

No, but nobody here wants to excuse paternity fraud. It’s just making fun of Brandon’s hilarious use of statistics – BTW, since you still refuse to talk about your view of the State with me, are YOU in favor of Big Daddy blood testing all the babies? If so, why?

I actually feel rather icky now that I know NWOslave reads my blog on the regular. I posted that thing about the orgy 3 days ago, long before we even had this convo.- I guess you can only hope he just went through the archives when he saw you say that? Still.. my sympathies.

I was being generous. what he said was he’d care about feminism when women got off their ass so that he couldn’t be drafted, which was unfair, words to the effect that he wished he could just sit back and make other people go to war, instead of being at risk.

It was pointed out that women were doing that, and he confessed to having been in the Army.

But really… women need to get the draft (which doesn’t exist) removed/made gender neutral, then he’ll get concerned with equal rights for women.

I have something I’m wondering about, given that you’re the preeminent libertarian here and you’re constantly telling us just how pure your libertarianism and knowledge is…

What do you think about the Zhinxy/David K. Meller debate going on about Libertarianism and Feminism? :3 Do you have anything to add? What do you think about the people that they’ve been quoting, and the theories? You’re the A++++ libertarian who has clearly studied up on this right and not just the “RAWR I WANT TO PAY LESS TAXES BUT I WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DO MANDATORY PATERNITY TESTS AND BAN GAY PEOPLE” brute i make you out to be right? xD

You are of course free to have all of the sex you want to, with informed consent–sorry, that means you can’t tape people without permission! However, there are certain risks involved. One risk you face is fathering a child. You can mitigate that with birth control.

It’s not victim-blaming to say that there are risks involved in an activity. From personal experience I can tell you that there is a slight risk of injury from embroidery, of all things (true story bra). I was not, however, a victim of the embroidery needle I consciously chose to pick up and use.

Does the mandatory paternity testing also include all the men who COULD be the father too? So if the assumed father is not the biological father, they can find out who SHOULD be responsible for the child? :3 Like Brandon xD (he prolly has a tape of when it happened too)

I was being generous. what he said was he’d care about feminism when women got off their ass so that he couldn’t be drafted, which was unfair, words to the effect that he wished he could just sit back and make other people go to war, instead of being at risk.

It was pointed out that women were doing that, and he confessed to having been in the Army.

But really… women need to get the draft (which doesn’t exist) removed/made gender neutral, then he’ll get concerned with equal rights for women.

Lovely. So because of a now disposed of law that was implemented by a group of men, women’s rights are deemed unimportant?

He has to be trolling for lulz. No one can say this and actually believe it.

If he’s not it’s just another reasons I have little faith in people anymore.

You’d think even he would look at the most basic of sources, Wikipedia, and see that a woman named Emma Goldman was against the draft and, when you look at her page, was imprisoned for 2 years for persuading people not to register

For one, you are forgetting about economies of scale. If every child was given a paternity test at birth, the price of those tests would go down since there would be a massive need for them. Just like everything else, the more people buy a product, the cheaper it gets in the future.

“The overall average cost of an uncomplicated childbirth in the United States is $8,802, according to the 2007 study by Thomson Healthcare.”

@Magpie, as someone who was raised by a man who is not my biological father I must say I’ve been really uncomfortable with the “why would you ever want to spend money on a child you didn’t donate DNA to?” narrative that’s being spun here. But I wasn’t sure I could comment, given that there was no dishonesty involved. Still, I couldn’t imagine having a child for any length of time, finding out we weren’t biologically related, and just forgetting the love I felt for them.

See also “The Business of Being Born” – when it comes to Medicalizing and running the costs up on childbirth. See military supply catalogs for the idea that the Gov needing a lot of something is gonna drive prices down to nuttin!

Viscaria, that seems to be the difference between MRA fathers and other fathers. Ordinary fathers love their children, they love Viscaria, or Magpie. MRA fathers think of their kids as property – sometimes they say something like ” … the house, the car and the kids.” Ordinary fathers know what each child’s favourite toy is, for instance, or what the child is afraid of. MRA fathers don’t talk as if they see the kids as individual people at all.

Anyway, my rule of thumb is that Dad is the one who does the daddying. :))

So what other health procedures are you in favor of the government covering, or are you primarily concerned with this paternity test idea?

He won’t answer because he’s dimly aware that it makes him look silly, but our Brandon self-identifies as a libertarian, well, except for this. And the part where he wants to film his sex partners without their knowledge or consent. You’ve heard what he has to say about gold, I trust?

An empty, hollow life of fisting and orgies just to feel anything to confirm you’re actually alive hardly tears me up inside. My guess is for all your promotion of sadistic sex, fisting and whatever else you promote, the empty feeling inside must be devastating. How many nights have you cried yourself to sleep because the closest you’ve ever come to intimacy is soreness from a good fisting?

How do you know Molly isn’t happy? What do you believe would make her feel happy? What do you mean by “intimacy”? (It involves cleaning up after a dude and maybe his 2.5 kids, doesn’t it?)

Cynickal: Some of those tools are expensive because they are actually few in number, and need a fair bit of QC to meet the design specs.

One of the reasons, to use one example, that Henckels has a $450 knife (their 1731 lines) is because the alloy in question, isn’t cheap. It’s used in, among other things, impact thrust-bearings on the main-engine of the (now defunct) space shuttle.

Did the toilet seats have to be that fiddly? Probably not, but not all high-ticket mil-spec tools/parts are boondoggles.

Cost plus contracts, those are boondoggles, but that’s a different problem; one that isn’t clarified in Brandon’s lack of response (to date) on questions about implementation.

Since I didn’t need a paternity test for either of my kids (you have only to look at them for their paternity to be blindingly obvious), if I’d had them under Brandon’s hypothetical compulsory paternity-testing system, could I just claim the cash instead?

Paternity testing is a very useful tool for the tiny minority of people who actually need one, but what on earth is the point of forcing everyone to have one? I don’t need the government to spend money on telling me something I already know.

@Rutee: She is signing a document claiming a man is the father. It’s called due diligence and she should exercise it prior to her signing that document.

I know this is a bit behind, but I’ve been having fun elsewhere, so…

Dude, that’s still not fraud. You can’t argue something is fraud if it is in fact not remotely approaching fraud. You’re saying it should be legally actionable, which is idiotic, but it wouldn’t be as fraud either way. Because it isn’t, absent evidence that there is a deliberate falsehood. Crack open a legal dictionary at some point. Or hell, a 101 textbook.

I support maternity and paternity testing prior to children leaving the hospital. No man should be forced to pay for a child that isn’t his and women shouldn’t be given a child that isn’t hers.

Er, generally speaking, after a woman gives birth there really isn’t much need for maternity testing. Generally, it’s easy to tell who the mother is, what with the baby coming out of her vagina (or thru c-section) and all.

David: I THINK that Brandon is referring to baby mixups – one mother getting another’s baby. Many hospitals are using bar coded wristbands (the mom’s and baby’s have to match whenever the baby is brought into the room) or even RFID tags to keep that form happening. A lot of it, I’m sure, is just them covering their collective asses and trying to prevent lawsuits.

The hospital(s) where I gave birth used the coded wristbands. It’s kind of a pain in the ass, but it’s far cheaper than mandatory DNA tests! (And it’s there to prevent a situation that is very unlikely but *very* costly if it happens. For the same reason, many hospitals make you confirm who you are and what you’re there for every time they need to do something.)

NWOSlave, I’ve had orgies (well, orgy). You know what happened afterward? A happy cuddlepuddle and watching Big Love. I know this makes you cry inside, but it is possible for someone to–yes– have both kinky sex AND a happy life.

I (trufact) know two women who became pregnant after having sex with asshole men who CLAIMED to have a vasectomy and either 1) were lying liars who lied, or 2) there were errors or something (I gather men who have vasectomies need to get retested to make sure it’s still operative?).

So, clearly there is a huge percentage of vasectomy frauds going on, and I think we should forcibly round up all men and vasectomize them.

NOW.

Actually the more immediate results of those women’s experiences is all the women who knew them swore that they’d never believe a man who said he had a vasectomy. You might want to keep that in mind Brandon, after you have yours, and consider how you might actually prove that you’ve had one. I suggest videotaping the procedure! 🙂

I (trufact) know two women who became pregnant after having sex with asshole men who CLAIMED to have a vasectomy and either 1) were lying liars who lied, or 2) there were errors or something (I gather men who have vasectomies need to get retested to make sure it’s still operative?).

When I had mine, I was told to carry on using other contraception for twenty weeks, and had to provide two semen samples for testing at 16 and 20 weeks. Both had to show a sperm count of zero for the vasectomy to be judged a success.

I understand this is because fertile sperm remain in the system for several weeks after the vasectomy – so yes, it is perfectly possible to get pregnant from someone after a vasectomy.

Cynickal: Some of those tools are expensive because they are actually few in number, and need a fair bit of QC to meet the design specs.

What ever happened to “Close enough for Government standards”? 😉

One of the reasons, to use one example, that Henckels has a $450 knife (their 1731 lines) is because the alloy in question, isn’t cheap.

I agree that an army marches on it’s stomach, but do they really need Henckles 1731 line to prep mess hall food? 😮

But to your point, the prices I sites were antecdotal examples pulled from some of the Boeing itimized breakdowns in the late 70’s that Republicans used to smear President Carter as a Tax&Spend Liberal. They’re pretty much Urban Legends that I like to turn on Paleo-Conservatives that remember those days.

Cost plus contracts, those are boondoggles, but that’s a different problem

A different problem compounded by stagnent wages for soldiers and continually shrinking benefits and medical care.

Since I’m very happily married, I can’t really envisage the circumstances whereby I might ever need to prove that I’ve had a vasectomy , but I do have an official letter from a clinic with a traceable address confirming both that I’ve had the operation and that the 16/20 week tests are both clear – so it’s perfectly easy to prove if you really want to.

On the other hand, there’s no physical evidence that I can see – no scars or anything like that. So I doubt I could prove it without documentary backup.

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