Instant Observations: Redskins 27, Eagles 20

Here are my instant observations from the Eagles’ 27-20 loss to the Redskins.

OFFENSE

* The Eagles had a chance to tie the game on their final possession. They got to the Redskins’ 5-yard-line, but couldn’t punch it in. Nick Foles had Jeremy Maclin open in the end zone, but bounced his throw. On the final play of the game, Foles was called for intentional grounding.

* Foles went 32-for-48 for 345 yards, a touchdown and an interception. The offensive line did not play well, but he looked indecisive throughout, held on to the ball and took five sacks. Foles suffered a right hand injury in the first half.

* The Eagles got off to a great start with an 11-play, 76-yard drive on their first possession. The offense converted two 4th-and-1 opportunities, including one from their own 46. Foles threw a great ball to Jeremy Maclin on a corner route for a 27-yard touchdown. Foles hit Brent Celek for 15 yards on the first 4th-and-1 and ran a QB sneak on the second one.

* Dion Lewis had a nice 17-yard run in the fourth to cut the Redskins’ lead to 27-20 with 8:55 left.

* LeSean McCoy carried 13 times for 45 yards in his return from injury. He also added nine receptions for 77 yards. Maclin led the team with 116 yards on eight catches.

* The Eagles went for it on 4th-and-2 from near midfield in the third quarter, but Foles tripped over Dennis Kelly for a sack.

* The Eagles were driving on their second possession, but Foles took a pair of sacks. On the second one, it looked like he was trying to set up a screen to McCoy, but Foles held on to the ball and was stripped by Ryan Kerrigan for the turnover.

* Foles’ pass in the second quarter was tipped at the line of scrimmage by defensive tackle Barry Cofield and intercepted by London Fletcher.

* Maclin had a nice diving 38-yard grab near the sideline in the third quarter on the Eagles’ scoring drive.

* The Eagles saw their drive late in the first half stall inside the red zone. King Dunlap was called for a holding penalty; they had a failed screen attempt; and Foles threw incomplete (out of bounds) to new tight end Evan Moore on third down. The Eagles’ screen game was a complete disaster throughout.

* Bryce Brown handled kickoff returns.

DEFENSE

* Robert Griffin III went 16-for-24 for 198 yards, two touchdowns and an interception. In two games against the Eagles this year, he was 30-for-39 for 398 yards, six touchdowns and one pick.

* Santana Moss did an unbelievable job of keeping his feet in bounds against Colt Anderson on a third-quarter touchdown from 22 yards out. Great throw by Griffin to beat the blitz too.

* The Redskins’ first touchdown came on an 11-yard WR screen to Joshua Morgan. Anderson went flying in Morgan’s direction, but whiffed.

* In the fourth quarter,Anderson came up with the Eagles’ first interception since Week 6 against the Lions.

* The Redskins drove from their own 9 to the Eagles’ 35 on their first drive. But the defense stopped them on 4th-and-2. Washington ran a bootleg with Griffin, but Brandon Graham stayed home, and Anderson broke up the pass intended for Moss.

* The Redskins went 72 yards on five plays on their opening drive of the second half. Alfred Morris found the end zone untouched from 10 yards out. It looked like DeMeco Ryans and Colt Anderson got blocked on the play.

* Great play by Graham in the second quarter. The Redskins tried to go with a shovel pass on third down, but he read it and batted the pass down, forcing a field goal.

* On the Redskins’ next possession, Graham, Trent Cole and Fletcher Cox all pressured Griffin, who threw incomplete. The Redskins again settled for a field goal.

* Cole batted a pass down in the third and then shoved Griffin to the ground. He didn’t draw a flag.

* No player has had more tackles for loss during the Andy Reid era than Ryans. He had another one in the first quarter.

* Nice job by Brandon Boykin with the sack and forced fumble in the third quarter, backing the Redskins up near their own end zone.

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Marcus Vick

Nick Foles is going to get more excuses for Christmas.

Johngiam

Dude, he is a rookie, surrounded by backup trash, playing against starting defenses fighting for the playoffs..everything in account, it was a good game for his growth. Not to mention arguably you could say he outplayed all the other rookie qbs today.

Great game! Entertaining, young guys got experience, and we didn’t screw up draft position. Only thing I could have asked for, was more touches for Bryce…and to get a better look at Curtis marsh

aub32

Shady is not a backup and neither is Maclin. Also, the skins didn’t have arguably their best defender in Orackpo either. Backups have to play at times. This is the NFL. Not to mention the skins have a terrible pass D. Rookie or not, he didn’t take advantage of his opportunities and get the job done.

johngiam

THe entire line man? be fair!

aub32

He had time. They weren’t terrible today. He did not perform well.

morganc

350 yards, driving down the field to win the game. What are you looking for? Throw for 450 yards, no picks, 4 TD’s, and winning every game? Joe Montana is not walking through that door… wake the hell up man! I love all these idiots saying Foles is average at best and we already know he isn’t the guy… what the hell do you want / expect? Seriously, I’m curious. You want to just bounce from year to year with new quarterbacks, and claim they aren’t the answer after 6 games? That’s a real smart way to build a franchise.

Bottom line: Foles is the guy for next year, he has already proved he deserves the chance. If they can get Brady or Manning, okay, cool, but I haven’t heard ONE name of someone that they could reasonably get that will be better. No Geno Smith and Matt Barkley have not shown they will be better, not at all. You build a good team around the guy and you can win.

aub32

First numbers don’t tell the whole story. He did not play well today. I don’t think it’s too much to ask him to hit wide open WRs. I don’t think it’s too much for him to throw the ball away (Before the Vick rebuttal comes out, at least Vick can make something happen with his feet so he tries to make things happen) Also are you forgetting how bad the skins secondary is? He has not in my opinion shown he’s the guy. I am not saying he can’t be the guy, but to give it to him based on what I have seen would be a mistake. This is not McNabb or Peyton here. There is no telling how high or low Foles’ ceiling really is. I think someone should be brought in to compete for the spot. If he is the guy than he will win out and be better for it. Look at Russell Wilson. He had to compete against legit viable options at QB and won the job. Is it really that wrong to want him to be the best option for this team going forward. I am not condemning him to mediocrity. I just think they’re are possibly better options than Foles, and I wish to explore them. Don’t you wish they had brought in some one competent to compete against Casey Mattews last year instead of just handing him the job? That’s how I feel about Foles

GoBirds1

If after 10years in the league Foles is still holding the ball too long and not throwing it away like Vick still does, then you can criticize him, but after just six games he gets the pass.

aub32

You have to earn 10 years in this league by fixing mistakes early or compensating for them. Vick does it because he can make dynamic plays with both his arm and feet. Foles needs to fix it as he is not a fast QB, nor has he shown the ability to throw bombs down the field after holding on to the ball waiting for the big play. Also before bringing up the “one” Maclin bomb. Please remember that was a poor pass and had anyone been remotely in the vicinity it would not have been a completion.

morganc

Okay, well that seems a lot more reasonable. I agree that it would be good for him to have to compete for the spot. There is nothing wrong with that. I just think (and I’m not even sure that it was you) that the people who claim they KNOW he’s just not gonna be good are totally ridiculous. Personally, I think he can become pretty good, but we’ll see. At the end of the day, that is the point… we WILL see. We don’t know. So the fact all of us (myself included) are micro-analyzing every game and pass isn’t really helping.

Sensei

That’s the most reasonable thing anyone had said about the qb situation all year

Concerned Citizen

Should you be in jail?

Run Eagles Run

I am sick of hearing how foles is a rookie. its right there in front of you. he doesnt have it.

Johngiam

how many more points do you think Peyton manning would have put up today? The kid was asked to throw the ball 48 times, just the fact that it wasn’t a complete disaster is a win! What more would Peyton have done? Completed that TD to Macklin plus 5 more completions? If you are looking for a miracle maker, then yeah he prob ain’t your guy. For a kids 6th game, it was encouraging to see him lead a group of slop, coing very close to forcing overtime…against Jesus Christ himself, mr. Rg3 and a significantly better offensive line, and probably better skilled players…

THAT performance might not convince someone that he is that franchise guy, but I don’t see how it convinces you THAT HE ISN’T THAT GUY EITHER. A fair analysis would be…..ENCOURAGING! That’s how a rational human being would fairly grade it

aub32

First, stop comparing this kid to Peyton. Peyton was the 1st overall pick. He built up equity with his college play. His ceiling was astronomically higher than Foles coming out.

Second, if you think the incomplete to Mac was his only mistake, you are dead wrong. He took sacks, forced bad throws, and threw checkdowns that resulted in loss of yards. The skins have a terrible secondary. He should have been able to do more. The problem is not that he makes rookie mistakes, it’s that he makes the same mistakes and has even regressed a bit. Based on recent performances, how are we not to conclude that this may be what is, and he only had significant success against subpar talent i.e. preseason and the bucs.

Um Garcon is definitely not better than Maclin. Garcon has this thing called speed and size. Look at his numbers per game this year. You are totally wrong. And Morris sure had a better year than Shady, because he plays behind a DOMINANT run-blocking oline. Is he more talented? No. But is he better able to take advantage of a superior scheme? Yes. Give Foles adequate coaching and a good team, and some time, and he definitely has a chance. How the hell can you say he’s regressed? So he was better against the Bengals. The problem with you, is you are looking for perfection. It’s easy to hate and be negative. How about you provide an answer / solution. Who do you want? You think Joe Flacco is a big step up? You think Foles is the only guy to take sacks? Seriously man, Im trying really hard to not get personal, but your lack of reasoning is alarming. You just want to hate the Eagles, hate Foles, and have pre-conceived notions that limit your ability to be objective.

aub32

Did you mean to say Garcon is better than Maclin? I am not hating, and did offer a solution. Please see my response to your lower post and I would like to hear your thoughts.

Johngiam

regardless who is better, neither Macklin or Jackson are number one receivers.

Johngiam

How about you give Foles a healthy freakin environment for starters!!! Then we can worry about everything else. Yu have to be an absolute fool to expect and qb in this environment to be more successful then RG3 or Russel Wilson.

morganc

get out of here. hater. i’m so sick of all the negativity. this is why are fans have the shit reputation they do. and booing andy reid today. i’m ashamed of philadelphia right now.

aub32

Ok you are being ridiculous. The guy has the right to not want to hear the same excuse. It’s not like he harshly criticized Foles. He simply said he didnt want to hear the rookie excuse.

morganc

“right there in front of you. he doesn’t have it.” that is literally the most sweepingly un-fact based generalization / bs opinion i’ve read on this site. after 6 games, a rookie, the dude is saying he “doesn’t have it.” okay so let’s look at peyton manning’s first 6 starts, where he threw 14 interceptions and 6 td’s. just a ridiculous statement. totally emotional, and devoid of anything but pure biased negativity. he may not be great, i am not saying he is amazing. but to claim he definitely is bad is just wrong.

aub32

To be fair, he didn’t have it. He may in the future, but currently he does/did not have it.

morganc

Actually, I saw your response, and the hater comment was not directed at you, so I apologize. I just get so effing sick and tired of the negativity and micro-analysis. I guess that is what happens when you have a 4-12 season…

Johngiam

Guess he didn’t have it inthetamba bay game either….. It really sucks sharing this team with this joke of a fanbase….the funny part is we actually think we are good fans. Lol what a joke. Support your damn teAm, and atleastgive p,Amy’s a chance to be successful before you shit all over them!… We really think we are a fanbase that deserves to win. What a joke….classless, impatient front runners?..I’m embarrassed to be upped together with some of you

aub32

So in two he games he has chances to make game winning/tying drives. In one game he does it, and in the second he doesn’t. SO are we supposed to ignore the game he failed because he did it once? Like I said he may have it one day. I am not down on the kid. I just don’t think he is ready.

Run Eagles Run

haha, again with the peyton manning. I dont know who you guys are watching, but I am seeing nothing from this kid. to go into next season without a legit NFL starting QB to at least push foles, you will all be sorry. Im not trying to be mean or negative. He just simply isnt anything special. A career back up. I said the same thing about kevin kolb and people Im friend with were infuriated with me. Peyton Manning. You’re comparing nick foles to peyton manning, a guy who went #1 overall and is possibly one of the best qbs of all time. OK. Thats all I really need to know.

borntosuffer

Like Tim Couch. And tell me what was so special about Manning’s first six starts?

Run Eagles Run

you’re going to keep suffering if you put your eggs in nick foles basket. you cant compare foles to a guy who is already proven to be one of the best modern era QBs of all time. Im sorry. if you dont see the flaw in that, then there is no point in arguing with you, because youre just dumb. I dont know what to tell you.

Johngiam

you sound dumb. Foles can make every throw a qb needs to be able to make…and so far, his intangibles seem to be encouraging. There isn’t a single analyst or qb guru that hasn’t been impressed with Foles. Y? Because they have realistic expectations and understand the natural progression of a QB…you can either make all the throws or you can’t…you can either step up in big moments or you can’t (did you miss the tampabay game? You can’t not value the Tampa game, but value yesterday’s pass to Macklin. You sir, are all that’s bad with this fanbase. You don’t tear down your players until they have given a true opportunity to be successful. Klown!

I hate jeff lurie.com

agree with you, Foles doesn’t have the ability to win playoff games, he has a slow release, slow of foot, Eagles fans love to wish for things….a new coach with a brain with bring in competition…and Foles won’t start next year.

GoBirds1

you are an idiot

Run Eagles Run

I will let foles play speak for itself. expect more dumb, slow moves. haha, and he is injured and wont play week 17. this is horrible news, because now eagles fans will talk about how great he is because he played with an injury in the second half. get ready to watch a real QB, vick, pick apart the giants.

Johngiam

anyone that can pass judgment with such a small sample size is just dumb if you ask me

A Big Butt and a Smile

Foles is a combination of Alex Smith and Joe Flacco. If every other aspect of the team is firing on all cylinders then he will win you games, but don’t expect him to do it with his arm alone.

Kimbafuzz

That was a great comparison.

atlvickfan

More Flacco than Smith. I don’t see him leading the league in QB rating any time soon. But with a good D and special teams and a Shady-centric game plan complete with plenty of short passes, he can play on a winning team. He looked his best late in the game when the Redskins played prevent defense and he was able to find running backs and slot receivers within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, much like Flacco leans on Ray Rice out of the backfield.

A Big Butt and a Smile

No arguments from me with those observations. Let’s hope the next HC is more about running a balanced game offensively and can fix whatever has been ailing this D for the past two years.

aub32

Okay what QB couldn’t succeed with all that. As you see with the Ravens sometimes your QB has to step up. Clearly Flacco can’t do that, and right now I am not sure Foles can either. The D did their part today. Maclin got open, and Foles blew it. He is not terrible, but I don’t think he is the best option next year either.

Average__Joseph

I enjoy how everyone has decided what Foles is or isn’t after 6 or 7 starts. In 1999 Donovan McNabb (the number 2 pick in that draft) started the last 6 games of the season (he also appeared in 6 others). His stats in those 6 starts were: 84 for 165 (50.9%) 782 yards – 8 TD’s and 6 INT’s – QB rating of 62.2 and averaged 4.74 yards per attempt. He turned out to be not too bad; or am I to assume that after those numbers he didn’t have “it” either?

aub32

Once again, you are referring to a player that had a much higher ceiling than Foles coming out. Also, the league has changed to be more QB friendly. What in the world has Foles done to earn these McNabb, Manning, Aikman, and whoever else comparisons? Someone please bring up another 3-5 round QB that had a similar start as Foles and then went on to be a success, and then I will give the comparison some legitimacy. Comparing Foles to 1st and 2nd overall picks is meaningless.

Capt. Undapants

Russell Wilson.

aub32

Wilson has yet to produce long term. Nor has he had the same start as Foles. Wilson played well early and has much better tangibles than Foles outside of his height. The comparison being made are that QBs like Manning and McNabb struggled before becoming great QBs. Foles does not fall into this category as he was not projected with near the amount of upside. Comparing Foles to Wilson is actually worse for Foles since Wilson has had this much success, the grading scale would be much higher and Foles would be seen as terrible. Not to mention to rookie excuse goes right out the window with Wilson comparisons.

Wilson wins in two categories, Foles wins in two. Add that Wilson plays on a vastly superior team, with the best running game in the NFC, the best defense in the NFC, and an offseason offense tailored to him, and, well, your “Someone please bring up another 3-5 round QB that had a similar start as Foles and then went on to be a success, and then I will give the comparison some legitimacy” falls apart completely. You have no idea what Foles can be, and neither does anyone else. But to say you know he’s not the guy is just stupid. Sorry man, but it just is.

aub32

It’s not stupid. To say he is the guy after just 6 starts in which he won 1 game is crazy. What? Because the guy has intangibles he is destined to lead this team. Come off it. I do not think he is awful, nor do I think he will never be a starter, however I think that he should have to compete against someone this offseason for the job. How is that asinine? Wilson competed against Flynn. Best believe if RGIII stunk up the joint Shanny would’ve put in Cousins. How in the world has Foles earned ,more than they have with his play on the field?

Average__Joseph

Just because you don’t agree with the comparison doesn’t make it legitimate. But using your criteria of [building] “up equity with his college play”, quarterbacks like Mark Sanchez, JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart, David Carr, Joey Harrington all should be productive to
franchise quarterbacks. Bottom line is you don’t like him and many others, like myself, would like to see what he can do. The first round is littered with quarterback failures.

I would have to disagree with the league being “more quarterback friendly” now. When McNabb broke into the league there was less emphasis on the quarterback because more teams emphasized the running game. With the passing that is so prevalent in today’s game, young quarterbacks should start out looking worse, in theory.

And your challengeto “bring up another 3-5 round QB that had a similar start as Foles and thenwent on to be a success” is disingenuous at best. Someone will mention Russell Wilson or Tom Brady (6th round) and the standard reply is “oh that’s only one” or “comparing him to another hall of famer”; the usual dismissal will be made. It is a crapshoot that no one, includingyourself, can predict.

Foles missed the throw to Maclin, but then he made the throw to McCoy, and he made the throw to Moore for a touchdown, however Moore dropped it, and it was a sure touchdown. Foles made enough plays to win, but like any quarterback, he needs the rest of the team to pitch in too. Its too early and the sample size is still too small, but what I do like about him is he seems impossible to frazzle. He just keeps marching on.

aub32

If Foles makes the throw to Maclin, Moore doesn’t get a chance to drop the ball. Also, Shady made that throw worth something. Had it been almost any other back in the game, they go down in the field of play and game over.

Run Eagles Run

he looked his best with that spiffy new hat with the shiny logo on it, in the press conference after the game. the WR screen to maclin or whoever it was, when coefield had enough time to run over and get the tackle, and the commentators were gushing about what a great play coefield made? haha that was the slowest wr screen I think ive ever seen. coefield had all the time in the world to run over there while jeremy maclin is waiting. and waiting. and waiting. I think he still might be waiting. nice bounce pass to wide open maclin with the game on the line too. that was just one of the many times I shook my head and thought : I really hope they arent gonna go into next season with foles as the starter.

A Big Butt and a Smile

Nick Foles is like a combination of Alex Smith and Joe Flacco, if all other aspects of the team are firing on all cylinders he will win you some games, but don’t expect him to do it with his arem alone.

Johngiam

It was an encouraging performance all things considered. He arguably outplayed all the other rookie qbs today. He was asked to do double what RG3 was asked to do yet came within inches of forcing overtime against what will probably be a playoff team…and he did it behind a significantly worse offensive line. That performance might not convince you that he is the guy…but I diont see how it could convince you that he isn’t that guy either. I think anytime you ask any rookie qb to throw 48times and it’s not a complete disaster it’s encouraging..ask him to throw 48times behind the worst line in the league, and come about 20yardssfrom tying the game against a playoff team,led by THE ANNOINTED ONE RG3….not really sure how you can bash that performance

BrickSquadMonopoly

Ur basically saying hes not that good but hes not that bad…Exactly. Hes average. Which is why im already convinced hes NOT the guy. The age of mediocrity is coming to an end. And quit makin excuses for the kid numbers never lie.

Joe Jones

RG3 has thrown 21 TDs vs 5 INTs..to put that in perspective, THE ANOINTED ONE Andrew Luck entered the game tied with Drew Brees for most INTs thrown. this year. So dont bother comparing the Foles to RG3…..not even the same ball park. If you need more evidence, contrast the throw Griffin made to Moss on the corner route for a TD vs Foles incomplete pass to Maclin for what should have been a game tying TD. The degree of difficulty wasnt close, yet Griffin made the play and Foles had an easy TD and missed it badly. I just saw the replay on that play again, he threw it way late and it was pathetically thrown.
So please, stop the comparisons and the excuses. We’ll see what he is over time. But if its too early to decide he’s not the guy, then its too early to “anoint” him as most on here seem to wanna do. #stoptheexcuses

Brian

If by “pathetically thrown” you mean, “slipped out of his injured hand” then yes, it was.

Joe Jones

The excuses never stop……Did Nick say that?

Johngiam

Nope, Nick displayed more leadership atthe game then Donovan did in his entire career! Go back and listen to what Foles said after the game

Joe Jones

So you decided on your own that it slipped out of his hand? The legend of Nick Foles grows…..drew up plays in the dirt vs Tampa, almost won the Skins game with a broken hand……able to read defenses in a single bound…..look its a bird, its a plane……its SUPER QB.
People wanna give Nick a chance. I dont see anyone killing him. Why is it necessary to make excuses for screwups?

GoBirds1

‘He arguably outplayed all the other rookie qbs today.’ You clearly did not see the Seattle game.

Johngiam

Do you really want to compare what Wilson has to work with, then what Foles has to work with?

JofreyRice

I really like Colt Anderson’s passion, and he might be the best safety on the team, but I don’t think he’s a starter. I saw him flying through the frame on missed tackles a few times, and he was at the scene of the crime for 2 TD’s, directly; the missed tackle on Morgan and, obviously, not being able to cover Santana Moss deep corner route. That route is Griffin’s money throw, he’s amazing on those.

I’d definitely keep Colt around for his outstanding ST’s play, and as an emergency starter, but they’re going to have to try and find 2 safeties somewhere before 2013 kicks off. A tall order. Howie better figure out how to draft a decent safety quick, he’s got a miserable track record with the position.

Foles did not “wow” in this game, but the line was porous, and he did make some good plays. He’s shown enough to be the frontrunner for the starting QB job next year. That missed throw to Maclin in the endzone really bugs me, along with the pass to Maclin that Jeremy had to dive for. I hope the deep accuracy is really just as simple as a foot positioning/mechanics thing, like Reid said, but we’ll see. Obviously, Vick’s old, his head and body have been bashed apart, and he’s never going to take that next step from runner/thrower into consistent NFL QB, it’s time to cut him loose and see what Foles can do with a full NFL offseason of coaching and development.

morganc

Good analysis. Again, fair. Foles isn’t amazing. But it’s ridiculous to claim “he just doesn’t have it, and that’s that, and he will never be good.” He is doing well, all things considered, and ppl can bitch and moan, but he will be the starter so deal with it.

Johngiam

the only way I will bitch and moan is if Foles ISN’T the starter next year….no better way to make mistakes, and make sure you never win a Super Bowl, then being impatient!

UncleCarm

i think your selling Anderson short a little bit. This is about his third start at safety, and since he has been in, there secondary has been much better. On the ‘skins touchdown screen he did miss the guy, but he read it immediately, came all the way up from the secondary, and the guy made a really good twist, jump move or he would have been tackled. The question is, where was the rest of the team after Anderson brought the runner to a complete stop.

Absecon

Anderson is not being sold short. He is what you saw today. No reason to think differently…

UncleCarm

Anderson had 5 solo tackles, one tackle for loss, two passes defensed and an interception (the first one for the team since October). I knew Philly fans were tough, but this is a little ridiculous.

dislikedisqus

He totally blew the moss td. It’s the S’s job to keep the ball in front of him. And he didn’t by like 10 yards.

UncleCarm

10 yards…. really, he was right on his heals and it was an incredible pass.

daytoday

man im telling you we have atleast a 3 headed monster at running back for next yr, shady, brown and lewis….and if polk can get healthy, can you imagine all the things we could do behind a healthy o-line

atb124

Another encouraging performance by Foles. I love that completion percentage, and the ypa wasn’t bad at all.

It’ll be quite a while before we know what we have in him, I just hope he gets the chance. If you think you know how good Foles will or won’t be, just think about Newton, Ponder, Locker, Weeden, Tannehill and even Flacco. All those guys have played a lot more than Foles and teams still aren’t positive what exactly they have in them.

dislikedisqus

I didn’t see the game yet, but I am reading all the criticism of Foles and yet looking at the stats, i don’t see 10 QBs who had a better day than Foles.
I see a lot of people saying Foles is not the second coming, which is true but ridiculous. In the real world, hello, the legends are not available. This isn’t fantasy football. Aaron Rodgers cannot start for the Eagles. You have to be confident a specific qb is both superior and available. Nick Foles remains the best available qb for the 2013 Eagles.

aub32

That remains to be seen. He needs legit competition.

Johngiam

yeah cuz legit comp grow on trees. At the very least Foles can be developed into Alex smith, so what’s the point wasting 6million per bringing him in. You know what type of safety we can get for 6mil? How much better would Aaron Rogers have been, had he been asked to play midway thru his rookie year, wit these coaches doing him no favors asking him to throw to Macklin, avant, cooper 48times per game. No seriously, how much better could Rogers have played in this situation as a rookie? I’m not exactly sure what people expect? Thank god he didn’t complete that pass to Macklin. Am I really supposed to worry that he can’t make that throw? Give me a break, he almost came back to tie the playoff bound redskins with a broken finger in his throwing hand. There is something to be said about a young kid who isn’t completely drowning in this dysfunctionally unhealthy situation. That’s more telling to me then any pass he misses on the field. Better qbs, would completely drown in this situation and possibly never recover. Like I said, no one can say whether he can or can’t be the guy until we see the leap he takes in year two, playing in a healthier situation…I’m not investing much money at all in a qb, as long as I have a defense that makes every qb lookalike Montana, until I know exactly what I have in Foles…believe it or not, not all rookies in all situations will look like joe Montana right from the start…..and it’s not a given that qbs who look great as rookies will sustain it the following year.

It’s important that we are patient enough with the kid to find out exactly what he can be, anyone who claims to know at this point is a fool. He has been bad, and he has been great. Any qb that can keep his eyes down field playing behind utter Mayhem and constant pressure, is someone I feel is worth grooming….he has known when to audible, when to check down to shady, when to throw it away…..things that a decade LNG veteran like Vick still had trouble doing….yet we are just supposed to pro claim that he can’t be the guy after five games? Give me a break. He displayed more leadership at the podium yesterday then mcnabb did his entire career. Have some damn patience and lets see what this kid can do…nothing is worse for a franchise then a revolving door at qb

aub32

You are missing my point. I am not one of the people who say Foles will be a career backup. I do not think he is ready and needs to prove himself versus legit QB competition. Rodgers was not ready as a rookie nor the following year. He rode the pine until the coaches felt he gave them as a good a chance as the incumbent, Farve, to win games. There is nothing wrong with having someone capable of starting for an NFL team here to compete against Foles for the starting job. Whether that’s Vick, another FA, or a first round rookie, I don’t care. However, he has not shown enough to be the unquestioned starter. RGIII, Luck, and Wilson have all proven they are good starters in this league, and they don’t need competition. However, 2 of them have legit backups in which resources were spent. I don’t think Foles has built that type of equity.

atlvickfan

Michael Vick is the best available QB for the 2013 Eagles.

dislikedisqus

He and Foles have identical QB ratings but one is a veteran and close to the end of his career and one costs about 5% of the other.

Sensei

Well one thing we will know there will be a lot of I told you so’s either way when the qb situation plays itself out

Johngiam

There shouldn’t be a single I to,d you so. Because anyone that claims to know if Foles can or can’t be the guy at this point is a DAMN FOOL!

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