Why did they say "Origins formulations"? I'm confused. That's good news though, to have more foundation options! I asked a few years ago and they gave me the run around a bit, saying some shades may contain carmine, but they couldn't tell me which.

Why did they say "Origins formulations"? I'm confused. That's good news though, to have more foundation options! I asked a few years ago and they gave me the run around a bit, saying some shades may contain carmine, but they couldn't tell me which.

I figured, it just seemed strange that they'd mention Origins formulations in an email about specific Clinique products. Unless Fee asked about Origins too (but doesn't Origins use some beeswax or honey? Are they not counting bugs as animals?).

Very few animal derived raw materials are found in Clinique products. Animal ingredients are used only when their efficacy cannot be duplicated by any other source of ingredients. When an ingredient can be obtained from either animals or plants,we use the plant derived material.

We are pleased to advise that no animal-derived ingredients are used in any Origins formulations or products including our brushes. We believe in utilizing the wealth of plant materials available that deliver the same or similar benefits as animal-derived ingredients.

Why did they say "Origins formulations"? I'm confused. That's good news though, to have more foundation options! I asked a few years ago and they gave me the run around a bit, saying some shades may contain carmine, but they couldn't tell me which.

Because both Clinique and Origins are owned by Estee Lauder.

Ah yes. And Estee Lauder does use ingredients that were tested on animals.

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Why did they say "Origins formulations"? I'm confused. That's good news though, to have more foundation options! I asked a few years ago and they gave me the run around a bit, saying some shades may contain carmine, but they couldn't tell me which.

Because both Clinique and Origins are owned by Estee Lauder.

Ah yes. And Estee Lauder does use ingredients that were tested on animals.

Their site says

Quote:

All Estée Lauder Companies products are tested for irritants and allergens using biological assays and human volunteers. We do not test our products on animals, nor do we ask others to conduct animal testing on our behalf.

I wish foundation came in primary colors like paint, I am positive I could mix my skin color no problem, but as of yet I have not found a single foundation that is anywhere near the color of my pale-ass skin.

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I wish foundation came in primary colors like paint, I am positive I could mix my skin color no problem, but as of yet I have not found a single foundation that is anywhere near the color of my pale-asparagus skin.

Ha! I was just thinking today that I could get match skin tones with oils easier than I can find a foundation.

How do you ladies feel about Arbonne? I went to an Arbonne party and was impressed that they've never used petroleum derivatives, animal products, are cruelty-free, vegan certified and had a serious commitment to being green. Plus their products seemed awesome and smelled wonderful. And they seem to have a good range of foundations, even for the darker-hued among us.

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I liked Arbonne but my skin ended up having issues with something they use. Plus my contact stopped selling it so I didn't have a way to get it anymore. My only complaint was that my acne prone skin didn't respond well to anything they had.

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About Arbonne: I bought a face mask from them once and when I used it, it KILLED my face and eyes. I didn't even have it anywhere near my eyes but it burned my skin and eyes so badly. I was in tears and washed it off super fast and then had to deal with the burning still. It was awful. It's the only product I've ever tried from them but it was such a horrible experience that I don't think I would ever order from them again. For a half an hour after I washed it off I couldn't even open my eyes.

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I like Arbonne makeup, too, although I rarely buy it because of the price. I recently bought some baby lotion, but had to stop using it because I was allergic to it (sad to be allergic to baby lotion, huh? Plus the ingredients weren't listed on the bottle, which was annoying.).

I wish foundation came in primary colors like paint, I am positive I could mix my skin color no problem, but as of yet I have not found a single foundation that is anywhere near the color of my pale-asparagus skin.

Do you have an odd undertone or something? If your problem is just that you are pale as a ghost, try Face Atelier! I'm the palest person I know and their lightest shade is great on me, a very neutral undertone to it. I feel you, though - even the lightest in many brands leaves a yellowy mask look on my face and along my jawline, ugh.

_________________Did you notice the slight feeling of panic at the words "Chicken Basin Street"? Like someone was walking over your grave? Try not to remember. We must never remember. - mumblesIs this about devilberries and nazifruit again? - footface

I wish foundation came in primary colors like paint, I am positive I could mix my skin color no problem, but as of yet I have not found a single foundation that is anywhere near the color of my pale-asparagus skin.

Do you have an odd undertone or something? If your problem is just that you are pale as a ghost, try Face Atelier! I'm the palest person I know and their lightest shade is great on me, a very neutral undertone to it. I feel you, though - even the lightest in many brands leaves a yellowy mask look on my face and along my jawline, ugh.

ooo I will try that. I do have a strange undertone I think, my skin is super pale and translucent so it's a little blue? I guess? yeahh the lightest stuff still looks super dark on me. Argh.

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i really like the zuzu luxe and face atelier liquid foundations.i tried them out at first with samples from whiterabbitbeauty.com

Thanks for posting that website. I checked out white rabbit two days ago, ordered some samples and a concealer, and received them in the mail an hour ago! And I actually found a match for my Asian skin from face atelier! Sweeet.

I got a face atelier sample and it is amazing. I put it on with a taklon brush. My only problem is that "porcelain" is too dark for my skin tone.

I am using zuzu full-time for now. It doesn't have the kind of coverage of face atelier but it is very smooth. My only problem is that it doesn't "mold" over my pores, it just sort of sits around their rims and goes inside, negating the purpose of foundation.