http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570445,00.html
This is bad, very bad.
A man showed his kids hardcore pr0nz, in an attempt to teach his kids about sex, you know what?
Double Facepalm.
His wife wants him in jail, and rightfully so!
I especially do not like this man, because I'm a Texan, and I know that this is just going to reinforce all the stereotypes about Texans being a bunch of retarded redneck incest cowboys, only nao, we show pronz to kids as well.
Thoughts on this matter?

geeze...what a moron...and what an even more moronic law. I would think they could have charged him with something...contributing to the delinquency of a minor..or found some loophole in the statute...but obviously not.

Maybe the ex can go to the divorce judge and get said judge to do something such as making it so his visits have to be supervised or something...if it was me I'd haul his butt back into family court and attempt to get full custody of my children.

"You'll find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

Yeah, really man. I mean the stuff they show on HBO is more 'suitable' for this type of thing...though educational videos would actually be the best.

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I especially do not like this man, because I'm a Texan,

I thought you said you were a floridian? Well, whatever, I'm back and forth all the time between NV and CA.

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and I know that this is just going to reinforce all the stereotypes about Texans being a bunch of retarded redneck incest cowboys, only nao, we show pronz to kids as well.
Thoughts on this matter?

Well, I won't make such hasty generalizations when serious, but I agree...some people (Like my friend vanir) are going to say this is just another trait to chalk up to "Yanksville".

No, I don't think jail--I think maybe he should be stuck in a tight alleyway and forced to to do a reenactment of Spain's bull run. If he survives he'll have to live with his injuries and pay for them himself.

How could anyone think this was a good idea. It's illegal in many places for one thing and should be illegal in Texas as well, it's morally bankrupt, because his daughters didn't want to watch it; they were forced to, that would count as child abuse. What else could be constued there? Incest? Attempt to lure them into kiddy porn?

I'd probably be angry if the whole thing wasn't so out there. Maybe pity is the appropriate term, that this man is so lacking in mental capacity that he would do this. And for the government to basically be forced to allow a pass because of the laws that permit this sort of thing?

It's illegal in many places for one thing and should be illegal in Texas as well,

Have not been to Texas since '01. However, I do believe there are decency laws for such things. Maybe I'm off my hinges...Certainly the mods and fellow forumites from Texas could chime in on this? (I'm trying to defend the good name of your state!)

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I'd probably be angry if the whole thing wasn't so out there.

No, you can be angry if you want, just direct it constructively. :P

We'll murder them all, amid laughter and merriment...except for the few we take home to experiment!

My wife and I have three children. When it came time to have the talk about sex, we took it as our personal responsibility to educate our children about sex. We didn't use videos, diagrams or books. We took the time to sit down with them, explain and then answer any questions they had.

The guy in Texas went too far with forcing his daughters to watch porn. Whatever good intentions he had was lost in the method in which he chose to convey them.

My first exposure to pornography was when I was 5 - I found a magazine hidden in the boot of my dad's car. I remember it very clearly, it was 'sorta' hardcore, but not hair raising - either that or I was just a very worldly 5 year old

Still, I told my mum - poor dad had hell to pay for the next couple of months. Said magazine was thrown in the bin, much to my dismay. Although I couldnt name what they were up to, I could identify that large breasts were great so that magazine was fine by me

Forgive me if I am somewhat skeptical of Fox News coverage of this. After all, this is the same corporation that on air talking head described Mass Effect as “Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas.” Not overly sure they even know what Hardcore Porn is.

If the father did show his underage children actual porn, then that sounds like a matter for the family courts and between him and his ex-wife. Seems to me like a possible issue with the shared custody they share now.

The difficulty with rewriting the law is defining what is considered harmful material. I happen to agree with the law and believe it should be up to the parents and not the government to decide what is harmful material. What may be considered harmful to one child may not be harmful at all to another. I was taught at an early age to respect and the proper operation of a fire arm. However, many people would consider a fire arm “harmful material.” Not even going to go into how this law could protect some religious aspects of people’s lives.

Sometimes it better to think about why a law was actually written rather than having a knee jerk reaction to one bad parent that benefits from that law. There are ways to punish him and protect his children beyond his serving jail time for being stupid.

If this guy can't prioritize between hardcore porn (or I guess not-necessariuly-so-hardcore according to my friend above) and an educational video--he does need psych examination at least. However he has, in all likelihood, ruined his marriage. I'm sure he'll have plenty of time to think about what he did wrong. At the least it will stress the relationship.

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Reason: Corrected "andan" in last paragraph.

Secondly, considering how middle school and high school go these days, it's not like they won't be exposed to it by a "boyfriend" or "girlfriend".
That mom needs to start wearing her ovaries on the outside for a couple minutes a day and just smack her ex-husband in the face with a wiffle ball bat.

Boo-hoo, it wasn't incest and all these over-emotional responses are meaningless. We need less prudes here in Texas, there are still people who think the Victoria Secret catalogue is smut.

“This body is not me. I am not caught in this body.
I am life without limit.”

What he did is reprehensible, but I don't see how making his daughters watch pornography means he's going to sexually abuse them.

Father asks his 8- and 9-year-old daughters to come watch porn with him. What other possible reason would there be for this other than abuse at some point? I'm not saying he WILL sexually abuse them, I'm wondering if he already HAS. The only reason he's saying "I was just trying to teach them about sex" is because he doesn't want to tell the truth. I don't believe this ridiculous excuse for one moment.

From MST3K's spoof of "Hercules Unchained"--heard as Roman medic soldiers carry off an unconscious Greek Hercules on a 1950's Army green canvas stretcher: "Hi, we're IX-I-I. Did somebody dial IX-I-I?"

Well at least it wasn't "man forces daughters to watch a porn filming." That would have been just messed up.

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What he did is reprehensible, but I don't see how making his daughters watch pornography means he's going to sexually abuse them.

That doesn't constitute a mild form of psychological sexual abuse already?

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Father asks his 8- and 9-year-old daughters to come watch porn with him. What other possible reason would there be for this other than abuse at some point? I'm not saying he WILL sexually abuse them, I'm wondering if he already HAS. The only reason he's saying "I was just trying to teach them about sex" is because he doesn't want to tell the truth. I don't believe this ridiculous excuse for one moment.

A healthy skeptic. That in mind, I wonder if the wife (soon to be ex if she isn't already) had suspected or found out as much.

If nothing, then I say it is VERY poor judgment on the father's part. Judgment or lack thereof.

Father asks his 8- and 9-year-old daughters to come watch porn with him. What other possible reason would there be for this other than abuse at some point? I'm not saying he WILL sexually abuse them, I'm wondering if he already HAS. The only reason he's saying "I was just trying to teach them about sex" is because he doesn't want to tell the truth. I don't believe this ridiculous excuse for one moment.

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That's probably the real reason behind it all, only I was thinking he hadn't gotten around to it yet (I hope not). And it was probably his slick way of a suggestion that he was trying to get into their little minds and eventually get them use to the ideal; and performing the acts together that were seen on those videos. And btw, there are porno incest movies out there that he could have rented for them to see, as way to further increase his subtle suggestions.

We all know that a very young mind is easily influenced, and no doubt, he knew it too.

I have to say my instinct tells me to be very skeptical about this father's attitudes towards his daughters and underage girls in general. Paedophiles are quite sincere individuals, remember, but consistently make broken moral choices about underage sexual exposure. It is one of the difficult things about identifying them for police investigators unless they already have some recorded history, you could talk to one all day and never suspect they're entirely aberrant, just they seem to have some rather odd, undeveloped ideas about children that could be placed down to simply poor education.

Has anybody seen any hardcore internet porn? It's the full deal and there are free sites, you can find them linked at date site forums for example, as part of a satirical post or somesuch. Saw a real funny one called "damn lemon thieves" and let's just say that couple sexually punished the girl stealing lemons from their lemon tree very explicitly and in ways that left me feeling traumatised. I'm surprised the rind didn't sting and had to leave before seeing what else they did with lemons or lemon thieves.

Such a thing would not only confuse just about anyone not highly sexually experienced I should think but would undoubtedly frightened underage individuals outright. Hardcore sex, especially any kind of kink (from as mild as girl on girl to who knows what depravity), kinda looks a lot like physical abuse if you're not sexually mature.
It's no wonder these girls complained about it. How would you feel if I sat you down and made you watch snuff flicks? It's the knowledge that this is what real people are doing outside that front door which is kinda traumatising, it'd be much nicer to believe in that safe world where sesame street characters and bunny rabbits play in daisy fields, it just makes you happy. Alice in wonderland is a little more pleasant intellectually than Alice takes it like a nasty girl, spank her.

I'm sorry I just don't think it's possible for a grown adult to be that ignorant, to not recognise that exposing these kind of visual material to girls around 8yo is direct, definitive child abuse. Girls aged 18-22 and quite sexually active still can't handle direct verbal sexual references from strangers without going off the planet (perhaps rightly so, it's not very polite and kinda dumb).
If these girls were pubescant, say 11-13 they'd be freaked. The fact they're 8 and 9 is just simply crossing the line, I dare say they're not in any way beginning puberty, there is no rationale for hardcore sexual exposure or even detailed sexual education in the first place (questions at this age, well prior to puberty can and probably should be loosely answered at best, in any case you'd probably find responses like yuk and boredom to any detail).

I say daddy was getting jollies, trying to express an intent, a desire or an activity as "something people do" as "something natural" as something okay for him to do perhaps, with them, or at the very least a kink whereby he gets sexual gratification simply from exposing them to it. Maybe he is grooming them for incest when they do reach puberty in coming years.

Legally speaking at least one daughter complained about the practise. I'm sure this can be used in some manner.

However at this point isn't it all really just a bunch of accusations? Without clarification on what they even describe as hardcore porn, no one can make any reasonable conclusion. Remember, catalogues are still described as smut and skinemax is considered hardcore by many. Without anyone explaining what was shown and what actually took place, it's all a bunch of over-reactions.

“This body is not me. I am not caught in this body.
I am life without limit.”

However at this point isn't it all really just a bunch of accusations? Without clarification on what they even describe as hardcore porn, no one can make any reasonable conclusion. Remember, catalogues are still described as smut and skinemax is considered hardcore by many. Without anyone explaining what was shown and what actually took place, it's all a bunch of over-reactions.

Sure, it warrants further investigation. If he's terminally stupid, fine, he should at least lose custody of the kids and be allowed only supervised visits. The guy is incredibly lucky that he found a lawyer who found that loophole in the law or he'd likely be in jail.

I'm just saying I don't buy his excuse for sick behavior in the least. I'm 99.999% sure they'll find child porn in his possession somewhere, and that the girls will be lucky if they haven't been already abused.

From MST3K's spoof of "Hercules Unchained"--heard as Roman medic soldiers carry off an unconscious Greek Hercules on a 1950's Army green canvas stretcher: "Hi, we're IX-I-I. Did somebody dial IX-I-I?"

Texas is the modern era, we do have laws to protect children from pedophiles. However, we also have laws that keep the government out of our private business. This law protects patents from a meddlesome government. It is not design to protect pedophiles. However, parents should know what is best for their children.

I happen to agree with you that he should most likely lose custody of the children (dependent on what was actually shown the children. As I said I do not trust Fox News or Texas for that matter to define what Hardcore Porn is), but that is a matter for the family courts. If he did abuse them in a sexual nature, then that is a matter for the criminal courts and has nothing to do with this law. I actually like this law since the matter of what is harmful is up for debate. Parent should be the one to decide what is best for their child and not the government. If however a patent does abuse that trust, then there are avenues to punish that abuse.

You are correct that this should be looked into deeper, but it is just as likely that this is all a custody ploy as the danger of the father being a pedophile.

It's a custody ploy or the father's defense says it's a custody ploy? This raises a good point in how we might all be so taken aback by what happened, whether you think it's silly or sinister, that we fail to think, 'wait a minute, these are the claims that have been made, but how much truth is there in them?'

Well the main thing here is, even if there isn't a discrepancy in their law about it, it's obvious that he crossed the line from a morale standpoint. And when it comes to teaching sex education to children it's a very thin line indeed, there really is no leeway.

Now he could of checked out any book about the subject from the local library or even bought some books just for the real educational purpose about the birds and the bees. Or for that matter, try to even explain it to them verbally with a few illustrations on paper; if he just wanted to give them some sort of an idea about it. But really... please, to have them watch online porn is a whole different matter indeed; which should make a person become suspicious of his real intent behind it all in the first place. Because you can't show them the scientific part of procreation from a online porno. They would really need to know the in's and out's (no pun intended) of it, not just the copulation of male and female in various postions, but instead the process of insemination to child birth. It's as simple as that.

Another reason that this warrants suspicion about his real motives by doing this, from some of us, is the fact of his excuse...it's pretty much lame. I mean he knew that those girls would of have eventually seen such things on the internet or on a rented movie within there lifetime, but probably by themselves at a later age. Yet he chose to expose them to it now while they are so young. Which brings up the question: What the hell for and why now? I don't belive it was just because of the sake of educational purposes.

The point of all this is, when it comes down to the question of family morality, that "right is right and wrong is wrong" and that should really go for anything else as well. And there is no leeway when it comes to the high morale standards we should practice while children are under our care, custody, etc.

Rather curious statement. God smacks them with an intellect bat when the stork comes bringing bundles of joy?

Or could it be they just as dumb/intelligent/abusive/criminal as they were before they bumped uglies? Which directly infers parenthood confers no special knowledge about the rights and well being of minors.

This mediaeval "it's my child and I can abuse it if I want to" popularism is just criminal intent, nothing more. Institutionalising it does nothing more than institutionalising criminal tendencies.

I think what we all can agree upon is:
If he *did* do something/was planning to/etc., then shame on him; if he did nothing more, then fine--he's an idiot for choosing and showing PORN (hardcore or NOT).

The laws are what they are, and he'll be dealt with accordingly in any case. It in all probability will be thorough in a case such as this one.

Rather curious statement. God smacks them with an intellect bat when the stork comes bringing bundles of joy?

I'm somewhat find this comment offensive. My mother never graduated college, she never even graduated high school until I was graduating college, her husband of nine years left her when she was pregnant with their first and only son. She was a waitress and a checker. Not an overly intelligent woman. However, when it came to raising her child she always put his needs first. She always did what was right for him. In raising a child her intelligence was on par with anyone. So yes, when dealing with their own children people that care find away no matter their intelligence. It is the parents that do not care and are irresponsible that are the problem, those that love their children and are willing to put them first will always find a way.