SlothB77:echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er. From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.

dittybopper:SlothB77: echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er. From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.

So where is Calumet?

In the baking aisle near the flour and sugar. But that's not important right now.

Cases like the Donner Party and the missing father and son in Arapahoe National Forest are spurring calls by global safety groups to require better technology to help rescuers and investigators find hikers in remote areas.

"They would have gotten to the Donner Party within probably a half an hour and many of them would have not been eaten if their wagons had systems pinpointing where they got stuck," said Blake van den Heuvel, a director of business development at DRS Technologies Inc., which makes wooden locator devices.

The obstacles to better and mandatory hike tracking are less about technology than whether improvements are worth the cost, since so few hikers disappear, and about whether to upset a decades-old philosophy that hikers should be able to go off the grid if they want to visit mistresses in South America.

"It is absolutely unacceptable in today's day and age to not know where a hiking party is," Dave Barger, chief executive officer of WagonBlue Trailways Corp., said April 3 in an interview on Bloomberg Television.

The quest for solutions sweeps in global regulators, naturalists and trail mix manufacturers. Depending on the enhancements ordered, from real-time satellite monitoring to black boxes that would float if peed on in a sleeping bag, the cost of improvements could be more than $1, far exceeding the costs of the Arapahoe search so far.

Most hikers now are equipped with emergency locator beacons that don't work in the deep forest, and with data recorders whose battery-powered homing signals will last only about 30 Clif bars.

After Appalachian Trail Hike 447 crashed into a line of trees in 2009, killing all 6 hippies participating, it took almost two weeks to find the wreckage.

The lag time prompted accident investigator to urge the United Nations' International Civil Hiking Organization to study hiker-tracking improvements and to ask people to please stop smoking so much pot in the woods.

"Just move to Colorado already and sit in your basements, you stupid jagoffs," said Sandra Marra, chairwoman of the Appalachian Trail Conservancy.Chair

Since they stumbled onto a well remembered, hidden grow-farm, it will be Autumn before they lose the buzz from such righteous weed. If they said "Getting high" instead of "'scaling a peak," it would be too much of a giveaway.

FarkingReading:Cases like the Donner Party and the missing father and son in Arapahoe National Forest are spurring calls by global safety groups to require better technology to help rescuers and investigators find hikers in remote areas.

"They would have gotten to the Donner Party within probably a half an hour and many of them would have not been eaten if their wagons had systems pinpointing where they got stuck," said Blake van den Heuvel, a director of business development at DRS Technologies Inc., which makes wooden locator devices.

The obstacles to better and mandatory hike tracking are less about technology than whether improvements are worth the cost, since so few hikers disappear, and about whether to upset a decades-old philosophy that hikers should be able to go off the grid if they want to visit mistresses in South America.

"It is absolutely unacceptable in today's day and age to not know where a hiking party is," Dave Barger, chief executive officer of WagonBlue Trailways Corp., said April 3 in an interview on Bloomberg Television.

The quest for solutions sweeps in global regulators, naturalists and trail mix manufacturers. Depending on the enhancements ordered, from real-time satellite monitoring to black boxes that would float if peed on in a sleeping bag, the cost of improvements could be more than $1, far exceeding the costs of the Arapahoe search so far.

Most hikers now are equipped with emergency locator beacons that don't work in the deep forest, and with data recorders whose battery-powered homing signals will last only about 30 Clif bars.

After Appalachian Trail Hike 447 crashed into a line of trees in 2009, killing all 6 hippies participating, it took almost two weeks to find the wreckage.

The lag time prompted accident investigator to urge the United Nations' International Civil Hiking Organization to study hiker-tracking improvements and to ask people to please stop smoking so much pot in the woods.

dittybopper:SlothB77: echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er. From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.

It's amazing how often this happens. Spring in the CO Rockies is really dangerous. March and April are our snowiest months and the weather is very unpredictable. You don't even need precipitation. Just wind alone can cause white out conditions and deposit feet of snow in an hour or two. People come here underestimating the weather and the effects of altitude. The don't have adequate gear, the don't plan for how long it takes to go a mile at altitude, they don't leave a plan with anyone.

If I've learned anything living here it's that you don't fark with the Rockies. Know your shiat, have the right gear, and leave a detailed trip plan with someone. Also, know when to turn back, don't let your ego get in the way.

Willie_The_Pimp:It's amazing how often this happens. Spring in the CO Rockies is really dangerous. March and April are our snowiest months and the weather is very unpredictable. You don't even need precipitation. Just wind alone can cause white out conditions and deposit feet of snow in an hour or two. People come here underestimating the weather and the effects of altitude. The don't have adequate gear, the don't plan for how long it takes to go a mile at altitude, they don't leave a plan with anyone.

If I've learned anything living here it's that you don't fark with the Rockies. Know your shiat, have the right gear, and leave a detailed trip plan with someone. Also, know when to turn back, don't let your ego get in the way.

Willie_The_Pimp:It's amazing how often this happens. Spring in the CO Rockies is really dangerous. March and April are our snowiest months and the weather is very unpredictable. You don't even need precipitation. Just wind alone can cause white out conditions and deposit feet of snow in an hour or two. People come here underestimating the weather and the effects of altitude. The don't have adequate gear, the don't plan for how long it takes to go a mile at altitude, they don't leave a plan with anyone.

If I've learned anything living here it's that you don't fark with the Rockies. Know your shiat, have the right gear, and leave a detailed trip plan with someone. Also, know when to turn back, don't let your ego get in the way.

drjekel_mrhyde:FarkingReading: Cases like the Donner Party and the missing father and son in Arapahoe National Forest are spurring calls by global safety groups to require better technology to help rescuers and investigators find hikers in remote areas.

"They would have gotten to the Donner Party within probably a half an hour and many of them would have not been eaten if their wagons had systems pinpointing where they got stuck," said Blake van den Heuvel, a director of business development at DRS Technologies Inc., which makes wooden locator devices.

The obstacles to better and mandatory hike tracking are less about technology than whether improvements are worth the cost, since so few hikers disappear, and about whether to upset a decades-old philosophy that hikers should be able to go off the grid if they want to visit mistresses in South America.

"It is absolutely unacceptable in today's day and age to not know where a hiking party is," Dave Barger, chief executive officer of WagonBlue Trailways Corp., said April 3 in an interview on Bloomberg Television.

The quest for solutions sweeps in global regulators, naturalists and trail mix manufacturers. Depending on the enhancements ordered, from real-time satellite monitoring to black boxes that would float if peed on in a sleeping bag, the cost of improvements could be more than $1, far exceeding the costs of the Arapahoe search so far.

Most hikers now are equipped with emergency locator beacons that don't work in the deep forest, and with data recorders whose battery-powered homing signals will last only about 30 Clif bars.

After Appalachian Trail Hike 447 crashed into a line of trees in 2009, killing all 6 hippies participating, it took almost two weeks to find the wreckage.

The lag time prompted accident investigator to urge the United Nations' International Civil Hiking Organization to study hiker-tracking improvements and to ask people to please stop smoking so much pot in the woods.

"Just move to Colorado already and ...

Thanks. I'm a little miffed at my typos, but I was typing pretty fast.

fastfxr:dittybopper: SlothB77: echo lake sits below Mt Evans, a 14er. From Echo Lake trailhead, there are a couple hikes of about 10 miles that go to Chicago Lake and loop back, ranging in elevation from about 10,5 to 11,5.

So where is Calumet?

Is that a subtle Wolverine reference?

Wait, you thought that was *SUBTLE*?

No, my titties at the beginning of the thread is subtle. Well, even then, not all that subtle.

I'm taking notes in this thread. I love to camp/hike and am moving to Denver in three weeks. Went to Cumberland Gap last year and covered about 17 miles in 3 days, up about 2500 feet (I think, have to look it up later) Had a blast, carried all my supplies on my back and slept in a hammock. Would love to do it a lot more once I move.

That said, I am not afraid to take it easy and over prepare for safety. The wilderness is fun, but I never want to become a lost hiker on the news. Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Willie_The_Pimp:It's amazing how often this happens. Spring in the CO Rockies is really dangerous. March and April are our snowiest months and the weather is very unpredictable. You don't even need precipitation. Just wind alone can cause white out conditions and deposit feet of snow in an hour or two. People come here underestimating the weather and the effects of altitude. The don't have adequate gear, the don't plan for how long it takes to go a mile at altitude, they don't leave a plan with anyone.

If I've learned anything living here it's that you don't fark with the Rockies. Know your shiat, have the right gear, and leave a detailed trip plan with someone. Also, know when to turn back, don't let your ego get in the way.

Mentalpatient87:I'm taking notes in this thread. I love to camp/hike and am moving to Denver in three weeks. Went to Cumberland Gap last year and covered about 17 miles in 3 days, up about 2500 feet (I think, have to look it up later) Had a blast, carried all my supplies on my back and slept in a hammock. Would love to do it a lot more once I move.

That said, I am not afraid to take it easy and over prepare for safety. The wilderness is fun, but I never want to become a lost hiker on the news. Keep pouring advice, people, it could save my life one day.

Check out the Colorado Mountain Club www.cmc.org They have a lot of great classes for pretty cheap and it's a fun community.

Sofa King Smart:99.998er: I bet the boy wanted to go to Mexico with his mom and sister all along.This:[www.bigtravelweb.com image 497x331]Or this?[www.mountainphotography.com image 700x525]

I would have chosen the 'grand Tetons'.... as should any red blooded male.

Sawtooth range, actually. Although bikerbob already covered that.

That being said, trying to scale a peak before late May is just asking for trouble in the Rockies. Especially the Colorado peaks, the weather is far more unstable than further north or south on the range. Add that to the chance of trails and trailheads being washed out or collapsing from the winter precipitation melting and the chance of both happening because of the crazy precipitation patterns that you often see in early to mid spring, it doesn't matter if you've got the right gear or not. Doing so without and EPIRB is suicidal, plain and simple.