Brand new member here, I don't know if this has been asked yet or not but I haven't been able to find the answer on the main site or in this forum.

After days of searching scopes I have decided to put a SS 10x on my Remington VTR in 308. What is the difference between the 10x42M and the 10x42HD, besides $400. Is it worth it to buy the more expensive scope, will I notice any difference between them.

It's my understanding that as good as the standard model is, the glass on the HD is much better, noticably better in most conditions. I'm just parrotting what I've read here; I haven't seen the HD personally, yet.

I have used the 10x42M rather extensively and am VERY impressed with it. If the HD is in fact significantly better, I can assure you that it is an outstanding scope, indeed!

The thing you must decide on is how important is it to you. Is your rifle a tool or is it toy? If it is a tool than always go better than your first gut or at least look more than originally intended. My rifles are all what I call tools. I have never spent less on glass than what the rifle set me back on initial price. This being said, I have heard great things about SS and that for the first time in a while you can trust an optic under $1000.00..........I have yet to buy an SS ,but would love to test one this summer.

One of the many posts I read on this forum this morning advised to save for the more expensive glass and not get rushed into a bad decision, but I do not want to spend the extra $$ if it wont make a difference on my VTR. I'm picking ther VTR up today and have never shot one so I don't know what its' potential for long range accuracy is going to be.

My main purpose is going to be punching paper at distances between 500 and 1K yds. I'm not sure the VTR can go that far. I have a Sako in 270 that I can reliably get out to the 400-500yd range but I want to learn how to go further. All of my guns are tools, but I'm not LEO or military.

I was still a skeptic based upon all the praise and no bad things to say about it...

I do not at all take stock in the masses or the "band wagoneers" however all the just praise they gave it was due.

I have yet to find a flaw with it and probably won't, but if I do I will make it known.

I have been punching paper with it for a little over 3 months and have many rounds through it without any issues and have used the multitude of its benefits, I have used it for correction to as many as 260+ clicks... I have mounted it on anything from a .243win to a .338 and a .408 but right now it is sitting on a .243 and doing the rifle justice. I put it on a very hevy recoiling (light semi-auto benelli) .300 Winchester Magnum which is next to my .458 in recoil for whatever reason and it held up through 5x5 shots as fast as I could pull and did just fine...

The $400 difference sounds like a lot but is not as much as what you get I believe you get more than twice the scope for the $400 difference so They could have tried to get $200-250 more and they would have still gotten my money on the repeat business...

I do not have the money to buy the $1000.00+ scope right now or in the near future so I am glad that they kept this reasonable as I am sure they could have gotten a little more for it...

Again I have many other scopes to compare it too and I think it is the best value for the dollars and well worth the extra $$$ if you didn't have the extra right now I would believe waiting till you do to be the best option.

So as an owner of both the scopes you posted about I believe you should wait to get the best bang for your buck, which hands down I believe any of the SS or SWFA scopes to be the best bang for the buck beit from $200, 400, 600, or 800 all the price points are great for what they offer...

As said above, the clicks in the HD are more well defined, the HD has 0,1mil clicks while the 10X42M has 0.25MOA clicks (both have mil dot reticle), and the HD is an updated and improved version of the older 10X42M.

As Koshkin said, the 10x42M is a great deal on a great scope; however, the HD is worth the difference as everything about the original has been improved in the new HD.

Both beat everything in their price range and category, the HD summarily bests $1,000+ fixed 10X scopes like the Leupold Mk4 10X. Though the 10x42M does not have as good glass or as good turrets, it is better than every other >$500 10X I've seen.

With these, you get more than you pay for, and the HD is worth the extra $$ if you can spend it. If not, the M is perfectly serviceable.

I have the HD the side focus and the variable and for most uses the 3-9x42 variable is a more practical choice. The side focus model is a nice scope and I find that the side focus turns more easily than the rear focus models but most guys dont want to spend the extra hundred bucks and lefty guys like the rear focus much better. The two new scopes the 3-9 and the HD are both much more expensive glass and you can tell the difference. The thing that is really cool about the 3-9 and the HD is that the adjustments are Mil Mil so the reticle and adjustments match. Short version is this is very cool and easier to use - logical. If price is your greatest concern buy what you can afford - over time you wont want just one.

If you are shooting anything that moves or anything under 100 yds you need to very seriously consider the 3-9 or the soon to be made fixed 6x.

"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".Bobby Paul DohertyTexas Ranger

Thank you gentlemen. I'm thinking it would be a better idea to wait and get the HD. I have to wait untill winter is over to go out and shoot my new rifle anyhow, and that gives me at least 3 months to get the extra $$ together.

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