If I were to waltz on into this web-site today, I would probably go with v2 M60s.....all the complaints I had about the M60 a few years ago seem to have evaporated. They seem to sound even more like the "pleasant" M50s now!!

Complaints about the M60s? I almost missed this comment. Tell me more if you don't mind.

Nick

Yes, Rich, I think you need to educate Nick, further, and in more detail.

I am appalled at this callous betrayal of the M50 posse. Has your mind been taken over by aliens?

In all seriousness, the M50s are great speakers. So are the M60s. So are the M22s. For sheer presence (and out of the two you're looking at), I'd pick the M50s. I would generally describe them as warmer or fatter than the M22s, with that descriptor applying to the mid-bass to low midrange frequency range.

Yeah; it seems as though things have gotten better in the last year or two in the M60 camp. There used to be lots of comments, about adding resistors to tame the "brightness" and then there was the sibilance, and excess forewardness, and that kind of thing. All those complaints seem to have dried up even before the "v2" was added.

I do suspect by the timing of the release of the new graphs by Ian of the M50 first, followed by the release of the M60 graph later, that the M50s that I'd purchased were of the new v2 variety. It's only conjecture, but I wonder if the M50 was made "flatter," since it varies more from the old M3s 1-2K peaks and valley than I would have expected, and that the M60 was made "flatter" as well in the areas where brightness would have been more of a problem. If that were the case; the M50 and the M60 would have even more of a family resemblance than what they had before. And in fact are even more of a bargan than they were before! My comment about going with M60 today has more to do with matching up even better than the M50s do now with the center and surround speakers that Axiom has every reason to be proud of.

.....now if Axiom would produce a 6.5" bassed set of centers and surrounds!!

Anyway; I do know that to my ears, and in this room, the v2 M50s sound great and I wouldn't abandon my darlings or the M50 posse for a minute!!Rich.

Quote:Have you listened to any Axioms before? The v3 version of the Studio 20, which you say you have, is much more laid back than the m22. If you want details and more "lively: sound, go with axiom.

This makes me think that the M50 is a better candidate for my tastes. Warmer and fatter as described in a previous post sounds good to me. A little more lively than the Studio 20s (it's v 2 I have BTW) and little less forward than the M22.

Ok, it's official I am looking for a local demo in the greater Boston area. I probably should put this in it's own thread.

And to I want to tell all you folks who responded to my posts, thank you, what I have learned from you has be invaluable. And if there is anything else somebody wants to tell me, fire away!

I'll put in my words for the M50's. I've had a pair for about 2 months now, and I absolutely love them. No sub in my system, and for both HT and music, they've completely fulfilled my expectations. I've never heard the M22's (or any of the other Axioms, for that matter), and if you want to do a little "light" reading, I posted my initial experiences about a month ago. Just do a search for "M50", and I'm sure it'll pop up.

Yesterday morning, speaking of "no sub" I was listening to a cable music channel(D-D) and it sounded great. I have my sub in back and the plate amp is mounted by the fireplace rather than on the sub cabinet. I glanced over and noticed the amp light was "red" indicating no signal received.

The low tones were back before the Wifes' NASCAR race came on, so there was no problem.(whew) But I sat there for quite a while listening to light rock oblivious to the fact that my sub wasen't even on!

I had a similar experience this weekend. I'd been playing my Onkyo in 'direct mode' for a few days just to hear the diffence. I didn't realize that one channel from my CD player was bad ( the cable, that is ). When I switched back to stereo mode, the sub wouldn't play, I expect because one channel's 'info' was missing. I didn't notice that the sub wasn't working until quite a few hours later when I stuck my head behind the chair to 'fiddle' with it. I noticed the red light on the sub's amp was on instead of the usual green. So I'd been listening to the M50s by themselves. I am very pleased with them!

Quote:I had a similar experience this weekend. I'd been playing my Onkyo in 'direct mode' for a few days just to hear the diffence. I didn't realize that one channel from my CD player was bad ( the cable, that is ). When I switched back to stereo mode, the sub wouldn't play, I expect because one channel's 'info' was missing. I didn't notice that the sub wasn't working until quite a few hours later when I stuck my head behind the chair to 'fiddle' with it. I noticed the red light on the sub's amp was on instead of the usual green. So I'd been listening to the M50s by themselves. I am very pleased with them!

Interesting! We also have an Onkyo!!

.....so what are the chances: Same weekend, same problem, same receiver company, and same SPEAKERS!!