Radical Mojo and getting the right spec

Post by Narinae

Does anyone know if there is a bug or trick to do with getting armor for the right spec from using Radical Mojo on a piece of latent armor? My priest was in holy spec and had holy set as loot spec, and still got a shadow spec piece of armor. I double checked my spec and loot spec before the combine, and quadruple checked them after. Both were holy. The armor is shadow. I am sad.

Is it just random? Am I missing something I should have done to get holy specced armor? Should I submit it as a bug and request a fix?

Post by yellowmana

What do you mean when saying the armor was for shadow spec? Did it have hit rating? Because if not, I think it's suitable for holy spec too (and discipline for that matter), even though it doesn't have spirit.

Post by Meari

It doesn't work based on what spec you have activated when you bought it or activated it. It works on the same system as when you raid I think. I don't know all the details,but I think it uses the spec you usually raid in or something.

Post by CalaelenDT

It doesn't work based on what spec you have activated when you bought it or activated it. It works on the same system as when you raid I think. I don't know all the details,but I think it uses the spec you usually raid in or something.

The game checks what spec you are in at the time of the kill (or since 5.3 the spec you have selected in your options), and grants loot based on that. For Bonus Rolls, it looks at your spec/selected spec the moment you click "roll".

@Narinae: As yellowmana already asked, why are you saying it's Shadow gear? Does it have Hit rating?

Post by astrus

Don't mind me rambling, I'm writing this partly for my own sake so I can start linking people to it instead of explaining it over and over.As far as I can tell, your selected loot spec does have an impact, but it's not what most people might expect.

The stats you get are completely randomized, what your loot spec does is make sure you don't get a stat that's completely useless for your spec but it will still give you non-optimal stats if you can benefit from the stats at all.So what this means in a nutshell is you won't get hit rating as a healer and you'll only have a chance to get dodge and parry if you select a tank spec.This is where things get frustrating as a lot of the stats have a benefit for all specs, however small that may be, so there's nothing stopping the RNG from giving you, say, a shoulder with 1300 crit rating as a paladin tank when you really wanted haste or defensive stats.

This is where I start heavily speculating as my sample size is nowhere near big enough to verify my theory. If anyone can offer additional insight I'd appreciate it.

All specs can get mastery, crit, haste

All DPS and tanks add hit to the list

Melee DPS, hunters and tanks add expertise to the list

Tanks add parry and dodge to the list

Healers and hybrids with a willpower -> hit conversion add willpower to the list

The game will then take the item's secondary stat budget and spend it on one or two eligible stats from the pool leaving you to curse at yet another crit/mastery belt for your protection paladin.

Post by felhunter

depending on tank class, crit and haste might not be added too the list.

atleast i collected a few mojo's on my warrior alt and used them all with loot specialization, proti got parry/dodge/mastery/hit and sockets , its save too say expertise should be able also.but i never saw crit or haste.

im assuming the same goes for paladins, but gaurdian druids and brewmaster monks can get haste/mastery, though these wont get parry/dodge.

seems like the best way too see what stats can be on your items made by a radical mojo, is by looking at what for stats the tier sets contain.

edit: had haste/mastery for BrM and gaurdian, should be haste/crit. since every spec can ofcourse get mastery

Post by Meari

You can just right click on your character frame and click "Loot Specialization" then click holy if that's what you want

Post by gunstarr

You can just right click on your character frame and click "Loot Specialization" then click holy if that's what you want

In the first post he clearly stated that he had done this, and double and triple checked.

Post by Narinae

AHA, I see the problem. This is my first character to have specs that call for different gear sets. Early on I was told that priest healing gear = spirit. So when I heard that the Barrens gear should be "appropriate to one's spec", I assumed that for healing it would have spirit.

It's a really weird system they're using with this, apparently just to add a pointless and frustrating element of bad luck to gearing up, but at least I understand now. Thanks, guys!

Post by felhunter

well healing gear has spirit, but not all healing gear has spirit on it.which can be seen on the holy/disc healing set. clearly seen here Handwraps of the Exorcist this piece has spirit. while another part of the set has Robes of the Exorcist has no spirit at all. and both pieces are from the same set.

the same goes for when you make an item with the radical mojo. it can have spirit or not, both times it will be considered an healing piece. since it was decided not all healing pieces would actually contain spirit. this allowed certain items to be more usefull for more classes.

Post by Nulgar

Early on I was told that priest healing gear = spirit.

Well it is the preferred gear, for Shadow as well, thanks to , but gear without Spirit is still useful :)

Post by Narinae

Oye, ok, so spirit is great but not the be-all and end-all. This would less likely to make my head asplode if it had a cap, so I'd know when to call it "good enough".

Well it is the preferred gear, for Shadow as well, thanks to , but gear without Spirit is still useful :)

Wait, whoa, this is a revelation. I suppose I should have noticed that myself. Does this mean I can get away with keeping just one set of gear? Or are the haste/mastery/crit weights sufficiently different to require two sets? I'm intending to be primarily a 10-man healer but it'd be nice to be able to also fill the pewpewing role when we have healers aplenty.

I hope this isn't too much of a derail. But I very, very much appreciate the help!

Post by Nulgar

Does this mean I can get away with keeping just one set of gear? Or are the haste/mastery/crit weights sufficiently different to require two sets?

You'll certainly do a good amount of damage while in Shadow spec, yes, but it is of course not optimal. You mentioned Haste/Mastery/Crit, but even the Spirit might be an issue, as you might have "too much", taking you over the Hit cap, leaving excess Spirit useless. However, I don't know for sure whether a healer might have that much more Spirit than a caster has Hit. Just something to consider.

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