if there was a tree that bears men then why was Adam created seems we had a tree full of them haha same with the animals.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25738877

I don't know exactly what is meant by that, just thought I'd bring it up, there are other passages on this Gospel aswell that could be related. Just 2 cents for the ones that are bringing scripture/religion to discuss the subject

I think we can learn a lot from the way that animals live. Humans are the only species on Earth that possess a fear of death. You see I no longer view 'death' as an undesriable outcome. I see it only as a transition or transformation back to a more natural form of existence and a continuation of the evolutionary process. I don't feel sad when people pass away anymore, I actually feel happy for them. I know that this world is just a temporary experience.

Quoting: ANHEDONIC

It is the pain and suffering we inflict on the animals that we kill that you need to consider. Ok, people need to eat. Fine. Early tribal humans used to treat animals with great respect and used to thank them when they fed their families.

Now today, animals are a production line consumable. Animals suffer abuse, torment, and horror all through the killing and slaughter process.

EVERYONE LISTEN PLEASE! This is very important. To kill other life is wrong, but to kill without honor, respect and thanksgiving is not only wrong, but does tremendous harm to those consuming that helpless animal...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22577422

So should the message be to return to the 'tribal' way of treating/consuming animals or for everyone to give up meat altogether??? What I see in this discussions is always a reflection of duality. Some will say eating meat is 'bad' and others will say eating meat is 'good', and there is never any room to find a middle ground in the discussion. Why is that?

Quoting: ANHEDONIC

We can't go back and I don't think we want to. We lived that experience. It's time to move forward. That was who we used to be.

As I said earlier, because of our spiritual changes, our DNA is also changing to deal with our new need to no longer consume our brothers and sisters.

I will get slammed for saying this, but I truly believe that we will reach a point in our physical development where we no longer will need to consume living plants and animals at all and we will soon be able to survive on energy directly...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22577422

A very small percent, live on nothing but water and Prana or life's energy. Research Genesis or his brother Jericho Sunfire and their lifestyle of breatharian. It is the most bizarre lifestyle I have run across but some can live this way. Think of how much money they save by not having to eat constantly? Both men are athletes before and after their transmutation. They feel their lifestyle is not for everyone. Their body could handle the long process from cooked foods, raw foods, fruit only, liquids only, then finally just Prana and water. These people live on a different spiritual level.

OP.. we are cooking half a cow this weekend.. And I love BEEF.. so im sorry I will NEVER stop eating the best thing in the world.. BEEEEEEF.. So yuma...Think I will make me a big double cheese buger and to add to it I will throw some bacon on it.. and I will be thinking of you OP

There aren't many scripture followers here on this thread, but I'd like to toss another theory out there for anyone who DOES follow the scriptures.

Howabout this?

The watchers who descended and mated with women, and taught them arts of war, medicine and beauty. They created the nephilim........

These were the ones who caused the great I AM to repent of creating man.

these are the ones who were satiated with blood/meat. These are the ones who taught mankind to eat meat.

Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.

i think what some people here want is to feel like they are somehow different, evolved or chosen.

at my advanced age i have found that we are all pretty much the same. all just wonderful. it is true that you can feel pretty good for a pretty long time (years) as a vegan (depending on the stores you have set aside). but eventually you will begin to degenerate when the end of those stores have been reached. MS, dental and skeletal disease, other autoimmune diseases (which are actually infections).

if you life like a monk (allowed to pray and not expected to do much) you will degenerate a little more slowly.

do not attempt pregnancy or nursing while vegan--you have the right to experiment with your own health, but not theirs. raise children on a traditional, wholesome diet.

www.westonaprice.org

scripture. hey, they are all beautiful words, but all we have to do is look around us at the real world and inside us for the answers.

my grandfather lived to 93. my grandmother is still extant at 97. they were both energetic and healthful to the end and meat eaters. i doubt many of us born in more modern times will live that long. we are not sick because we eat meat. you are on the wrong path. there are MANY other reasons why and your are getting bogged down.

There aren't many scripture followers here on this thread, but I'd like to toss another theory out there for anyone who DOES follow the scriptures.

Howabout this?

The watchers who descended and mated with women, and taught them arts of war, medicine and beauty. They created the nephilim........

These were the ones who caused the great I AM to repent of creating man.

these are the ones who were satiated with blood/meat. These are the ones who taught mankind to eat meat.

Quoting: Shamar

You're another occultist that has taken Gods Holy Scripture and twisted it to suit your demented ideology.

Quoting: weasel keeper

wut? have you not read the scriptures?

Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.

yeah, my experience has been that this topic brings out the very worst of meat eating people. you should read my bad karma comments. Wow.

Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.

There aren't many scripture followers here on this thread, but I'd like to toss another theory out there for anyone who DOES follow the scriptures.

Howabout this?

The watchers who descended and mated with women, and taught them arts of war, medicine and beauty. They created the nephilim........

These were the ones who caused the great I AM to repent of creating man.

these are the ones who were satiated with blood/meat. These are the ones who taught mankind to eat meat.

Quoting: Shamar

You're another occultist that has taken Gods Holy Scripture and twisted it to suit your demented ideology.

Quoting: weasel keeper

wut? have you not read the scriptures?

Quoting: Shamar

Yes, I have read the scriptures for the last 30 years, and the Holy Spirit of God is The Interpreter to me, not some blind ignorant demon posessed shill.

Quoting: weasel keeper

I guess you have missed some key scriptures then. You may want to go back and revisit.

Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.