I went to fixedearth.com and started reading.Those time-lapsed pictures show stars circling the earth.

If a satellite is geostationary and earth is spinning at 1,040 mph at the surface, the satellite would have to be moving faster than 1,040 to keep up.Like a bicycle tire travels a greater distance than the hub per revolution.

So what is the distance to these satellites?

SOME FURTHER "WHAT IFS" FOR CREATIONISTS ABOUT GEOCENTRICITY

ARE QUITE REVEALING:

WHAT IF - Kepler's mother was a witch and he was raised a warlock assigned to bump Brahe off (HERE), wreck his work, steal his records, and twist them to promote Copernicanism and help pave the way for evolutionism (which he wrote about 250 years before Darwin)? (HERE, pp.1,2)

WHAT IF - Galileo offered no proof whatsoever for heliocentricity but did all he could to elevate secular science over Bible science, thereby contributing greatly to the establishment of the mindset that later served evolutionism so well? (HERE)

WHAT IF - Creationists can know that Copernicanism is the demonstrable precursor of evolutionism both as Bible destroyer and as the guarantor that the anti-Bible false science establishment would become modern man's criterion of Truth Itself? (HERE & HERE)

WHAT IF - the Bible teaches a stationary earth (just like everyone agreed it did until Copernican and finally Newton's Kabbalist "mathematics" scared the churches into thinking that "science" had proof of heliocentricity)? (HERE - HERE)

WHAT IF - Einstein's admission that "fantasy" meant more to him than "positive knowledge" is demonstrated most powerfully in his Relativity hypothesis, (that pseudo-mathematical "great work of art" that rescued a moribund Copernicanism and fostered and vivified evolution-based Marxism, Freudianism and Humanism)? (HERE)

WHAT IF - mathematics has long since been an art form capable of depicting anything the "artist" wants? (And what if the ultimate "artist" behind heliocentric (moving earth) mathematics is not men but You-Know-Who?!) (HERE)

WHAT IF - the Michelson-Morley experiments and scores of other affirmations--particularly regarding the light fringe results--essentially prove no earth orbit around the sun? (HERE pp.97-104)

WHAT IF - Relativism--the savior of Copernicanism almost a century ago and the temporary victor over God's Absolutism since then--is merely a thick slice of pseudo-scientific baloney and can be shown to be so? (HERE pp. 110-133)

WHAT IF - God has allowed the deceptive power of Satan to be great enough thus far to prevent Creationists (and other believers in Bible inerrancy) from seeing that Copernicanism--just like evolutionism--has NO scientific proof whatever to support its "science-fiction" claims? (HERE)

WHAT IF - "Ah LORD God!...There is nothing too hard for thee" (Jer.32:17; et al!) is applied to the orbital speeds required for stars in the "small" geocentric universe? (start HERE)

WHAT IF - The alleged discoveries of "Dark Matter" and the anomalies associated with it regarding speed portend a radical revision in the speed-of-light dogma?

WHAT IF - The universe--because of complex matters involving parallax and "non-Euclidian geometry", the vagaries of reflections, etc.--is much, much, smaller than we are told? (HERE & HERE)

WHAT IF - It is God's Plan to first expose Copernicanism as a scientific fraud (as a certain means to bringing down not only evolutionism but the whole secular scientific establishment idol)? (HERE)

WHAT IF - The Copernican Model is essential to the "extra-terrestrial" hype which is nothing more nor less than a highly effective propaganda campaign for evolutionism (...we "evolved" here and "they...evolved out there")? (HERE)

WHAT IF - Darwin's German Bulldog and Marx's Right Hand Man Recognized the Unbreakable Link Between Darwinism and Copernicanism? (HERE)

WHAT IF - Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, et al were all fervent believers in and zealous promoters of Darwinian Evolutionism and the Copernican Heliocentricity that preceded it? (HERE)

WHAT IF - Today's Copernican-dependent, evolution-based "creation scenario" for the Universe, the Earth and all life forms including mankind is directly derived from ancient and current writings of Bible-bashing, Christ-hating Rabbinical Kabbalists?? (HERE - HERE)

Power and control, keep you blind, there are soulless walking amongst us, people who would send a whole generation to their deaths for alittle more wealth. Keep you stupid, people who know their Creator will rule the planet because that's the promise GOD made to Adam, if you're fed up of the Elites and their government, believe truth and GOD, and you will rule for HE will choose you over the rest!

(...) Besides the above ten, there are three more vowelsin Sanskrit whose original pronunciation is lost. Theyare now mostly pronounced as combinations of aconsonant and a vowel as follows:R = r + i, R^ = r + ], = L^ = l + r + iNote: i) Among these three, only R is frequently used.An example of this vowel having become acombination of a consonant and a vowel is found inthe word Sanskrit itself. The sound denoted by ri inthis word must have been a vowel sound which isnow lost to us. In some parts of India this vowel ispronounced as a combination of r + u. ii) Just as Rhas a long counterpart in R^, the vowel L^ = also has alonger counterpart in theory, but it is not used inany actual word of Sanskrit. iii) Even though thesesounds are not pronounced like vowels, they have tobe treated as vowels in all grammatical contexts justas they were when the Sanskrit grammar was codifiedabout more than 2500 years ago. [link to tdil.mit.gov.in]

I went to fixedearth.com and started reading.Those time-lapsed pictures show stars circling the earth.

If a satellite is geostationary and earth is spinning at 1,040 mph at the surface, the satellite would have to be moving faster than 1,040 to keep up.Like a bicycle tire travels a greater distance than the hub per revolution.

So what is the distance to these satellites?"

A most excellent post, AC. A few will read the "What ifs" and ponder over those questions. The rest will bow down to the "gods of science" and accept their pronouncements without question. They are the real "flat earth" people..

I went to fixedearth.com and started reading.Those time-lapsed pictures show stars circling the earth.

If a satellite is geostationary and earth is spinning at 1,040 mph at the surface, the satellite would have to be moving faster than 1,040 to keep up.Like a bicycle tire travels a greater distance than the hub per revolution.

So what is the distance to these satellites?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 436951

They could have them believe that the Earth revolves around those satelites and they'd believe it, or that when the astronauts repair those satelites they too are moving at over 1,040 miles an hour. LOL, ahead warp factor 1 mr sulu.

[link to 64.233.183.104] 10. After these in the fourth quarter are the winds to the west. From the first gate, inclining northwards, proceed dew, rain, frost, cold, snow, and chill; from the middle gate proceed rain, health, and blessing;

11. And from the last gate, which is southwards, proceed drought, destruction, scorching, and perdition.

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12. The account of the twelve gates of the four quarters of heaven is ended.

13. All their laws, all their infliction of punishment, and the health produced by them, have I explained to thee, my son Mathusala.

LXXVICHAP. LXXVI.1. The first wind is called the eastern, because it is the first.

2. The second is called the south, because the Most High there descends, and frequently there descends he who is blessed for ever.

3. The western wind has the name of diminution, because there all the luminaries of heaven are diminished, and descend.

4. The fourth wind, which is named the north, is divided into three parts; one of which is for the habitation of man; another for seas of water, with valleys, woods, rivers, shady places, and snow; and the third part contains paradise.

5. Seven high mountains I beheld, higher than all the mountains of the earth, from which frost proceeds; while days, seasons, and years depart and pass away.

6. Seven rivers I beheld upon earth, greater than all rivers, one of which takes its course from the west; into a great sea its water flows.

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7. Two come from the north to the sea, their waters flowing into the Erythræan sea, on the east. And with respect to the remaining four, they take their course in the cavity of the north, two to their sea, the Erythræan sea, and two are poured into a great sea, where also it is said there is a desert.

8. Seven great islands I saw in the sea and on the earth. Seven in the great sea.

LXXVIICHAP. LXXVII.1. The names of the sun are these: one Aryares, the other Tomas.

2. The moon has four names. The first is Asonya; the second, Ebla; the third, Benase; and the fourth, Erae.3. These are the two great luminaries, whose orbs are as the orbs of heaven; and the dimensions of both are equal.

4. In the orb of the sun there is a seventh portion of light, which is added to it from the moon. By measure it is put in, until a seventh portion of the light of the sun is departed. They set, enter into the western gate, circuit by the north, and through the eastern gate go forth over the face of heaven.

5. When the moon rises, it appears in heaven; and the half of a seventh portion of light is all which is in it.

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6. In fourteen days the whole of its light is completed.

7. By three quintuples light is put into it, until in fifteen days its light is completed, according to the signs of the year; it has three quintuples.

8. The moon has the half of a seventh portion.

9. During its diminution on the first day its light decreases a fourteenth part; on the second day it decreases a thirteenth part; on the third day a twelfth part; on the fourth day an eleventh part; on the fifth day a tenth part; on the sixth day a ninth part; on the seventh day it decreases an eighth part; on the eighth day it decreases a seventh part; on the ninth day it decreases a sixth part; on the tenth day it decreases a fifth part; on the eleventh day it decreases a fourth part; on the twelfth day it decreases a third part; on the thirteenth day it decreases a second part; on the fourteenth day it decreases a half of its seventh part; and on the fifteenth day the whole remainder of its light is consumed.

10. On stated months the moon has twenty-nine days.

11. It also has a period of twenty-eight days.

12. Uriel likewise showed me another regulation, when light is poured into the moon, how it is poured into it from the sun.

13. All the time that the moon is in progress

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with its light, it is poured into it in the presence of the sun, until its light is in fourteen days completed in heaven.

14. And when it is wholly extinguished, its light is consumed in heaven; and on the first day it is called the new moon, for on that day light is received into it.

15. It becomes precisely completed on the day that the sun descends into the west, while the moon ascends at night from the east.

16. The moon then shines all the night, until the sun rises before it; when the moon disappears in turn before the sun.

17. Where light comes to the moon, there again it decreases, until all its light is extinguished, and the days of the moon pass away.

18. Then its orb remains solitary without light.

19. During three months it effects in thirty days each month its period; and during three more months it effects it in twenty-nine days each. These are the times in which it effects its decrease in its first period, and in the first gate, namely, in one hundred and seventy-seven days.

20. And at the time of its going forth during three months it appears thirty days each, and during three more months it appears twenty-nine days each.

21. In the night it appears for each twenty days

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as the face of a man, and in the day as heaven; for it is nothing else except its light.

LXXVIIICHAP. LXXVIII.1. And now, my son Mathusala, I have shown thee everything; and the account of every ordinance of the stars of heaven is finished.

2. He showed me every ordinance respecting these, which takes place at all times and in all seasons under every influence, in all years, at the arrival and under the rule of each, during every month and every week. He showed me also the decrease of the moon, which is effected in the sixth gate; for in that sixth gate is its light consumed.

3. From this is the beginning of the month; and its decrease is effected in the sixth gate in its period, until a hundred and seventy-seven days are completed; according to the mode of computation by weeks, 1 twenty-five weeks and two days.

4. Its period is less than that of the sun, according to the ordinance of the stars, by five days in one half year 2 precisely.

5. When that their visible situation is completed. Such is the appearance and likeness of every luminary, which Thiel, the great angel who conducts them, showed to me.

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LXXIXCHAP. LXXIX.1. In those days Uriel answered and said to me, Behold, I have showed thee all things, O Enoch;

(1) The Descendants of CainThe Bible (Gen., iv, 17-22) mentions nine of Cain's descendants in the direct line: Henoch, Irad, Maviael, Mathusael, and Lamech, who had four children: Jabel and Jubal by his wife Ada, and Tubalcain with his sister Noemi by his second wife Sella. The etymology of several of these name is obscure because it is uncertain whether they are Hebrew, Babylonian, or Sumerian. The derivation of Mathusael, however, is obvious, mutusha-ilu being the Babylonian for "vassal of God". Maviael, if the Septuagint reading is right, would mean "God is my life-giver"; but according to the Hebrew text Mehujael would mean "wiped out by God". Most likely, however, the word is Babylonian and connected with amel ilu, "man of God". Lamech is perhaps connected with lamga, the Sumerian for "servant" (of God). Cain "built a city and called the name thereof by the name of his son Henoch". To some scholars this has suggested "dedication" as the Hebrew derivation of Henoch; but others see in it the name of the famous Sumerian city, Unug (later Uruk, Erech, Warka). For Irad no satisfactory etymology has been found; it means, perhaps, "scion" from arada, "to sprout". It is remarkable that amongst the Sechites four names occur similar to those of Cainites: Cainan, Mahalael, Jared, and Mathusala, and two, Henoch and Lamech, are identical in both pedigrees. Ada probably means "dawn", Sella, "shade", Jabel, "shepherd", Jubal, "musician". Noemi means "beautiful". The Septuagint omits Cain after Jubal, thereby suggesting connection with a tribe of Asia Minor (Gen., x, 2, Ez., xxvii, 13) called Tabalu by Assyrians and Tybarenoi by Herodotus. But the Massoretic Tubalcain is certainly correct if it be connected with Balgin, the Sumerian Vulcan, as recently suggested. If we substitute English equivalents for proper names, Gen., iv, 19-22 would read: "God's servant took two wives, the name of the one was Dawn and the name of the other Shade. And Dawn brought forth Shepherd, the father of dwellers in tents and herdsmen and his brother's name was Musician, the father of harp- and pipe-players. But Shade brought forth Blacksmith, the forger of brass and iron, and Blacksmith's sister's name was Beautiful." This has led some to believe that the inspired narrative merely records under a figure of speech the introduction of polygamy and the spread of civilization.

A similar description existed amongst Phoenicians. As the most recent research has shown that iron was used in Egypt 3500 B.C., no argument for lateness of narrative can be drawn from the mention of iron. As for the six lines of Hebrew poetry (verses 23-24) put into the mouth of Lemach, though their origin and occasion will probably remain forever obscure, their general meaning is clear: Cain had committed deliberate murder, fratricide, yet he was not handed over to the lawless private vengeance of man. How much less was Lamech, in self-defence, i.e. slain a man for wounding him, or, in Hebrew parallelism, for bruising him. In Num., xxiv, 22, Jud., iv, 11, I Par., ii, 55, Cinites are mentioned as neighbours to Israel. The Hebrew consonants would allow the reading Cainites, which some scholars have adopted against the Massora and Septuagint; but this is at present mere conjecture.

Yes, it seems like the earth is flat.Yes, it seems like we are at the center of the universe.Yes, it seems like the sun revolves around us.Yes, it seems like the sun and moon are the same size.Yes, it seems like when I hold out my thumb it is larger than a man standing 25 ft. away.

However, we have made progress via methods like logic and the scientific method and we now know all of these things that “seem like” they are so, are really NOT so. If you want thank God for giving us the ability to think rationally than so be it. That being said, you too have this ability…..don’t waste it.

The Sun has no atmosphere such as Earth, science says the Moon orbits because of the balance between inertia and gravity, constantly falling but never falling, understanding this, the Earth would crash into the Sun because the Sun has no atmosphere, the massive gravitaional pull of the Sun would have already crashed the Earth in it.

The Sun and the Moon are the same size, this why an eclipes looks perfect! If they were different sizes one would attract the other due to gravitational pull and collide, but if they are equal, they counter each others pull.

If the Earth did spin, WE would all be dizzy by now?

According to you're science the sun and stars are the same, therefore they don't move, Earth moves around the sun, hence, where ever the planet is around the sun, we should not be able to constantly see the constellations, there would be a point were the Earth would be on the other half of the sun and Earth would only be able to see the constellations coming around the bend. But that's not the case is it!

Lunar eclipse are wrongly explained, look at the first link of the lunar eclipse geometry, see were the moon is to you're right, now look at the second link of the lunar cycles see were the full Moon is to you're left the yellow arrows is the Sun's light. According to both depicted explanations, one of the lunar cylces and the other of eclipses, we should be having and eclipse once a month.

Isaiah 26:10 With soul-desire my soul has desired you in the night, even with my spirit within me I will seek you early because when your judgements are in the earth the inhabitants of the world-system learn righteousness.Re: Concave earth - a biblcal perspectiveThread: Concave earth - a biblcal perspectiveIsaiah 42:4 He shall not falter nor be discouraged, until he puts judgement in the earth: and the islands shall inherit his Torah.

According to you're science the sun and stars are the same, therefore they don't move, Earth moves around the sun, hence, where ever the planet is around the sun, we should not be able to conatantly see the constellations, there would be a point were the Earth would be on the other half of the sun and Earth would only be able to see the constellations coming around the bend. But that's not the case is it.

According to you're science the sun and stars are the same, therefore they don't move, Earth moves around the sun, hence, where ever the planet is around the sun, we should not be able to conatantly see the constellations, there would be a point were the Earth would be on the other half of the sun and Earth would only be able to see the constellations coming around the bend. But that's not the case is it.

The North Star, Live On!

Quoting: Punisher

Science does NOT say the sun and stars are all the same.

Science does NOT say "they don't move".

There are some parts of the sky that are visible in winter but not summer.

Yes the north star is always in the same spot.(over the last couple thousand years or so)

Shri Surya Deva - the SunSurya and his band of wanderers circle the sacred Mount Meru constantly Vishnu Purana- [ _____ ]And in the middle of Jambudvipa is the golden-hued Mount Meru. If the earth were to be a .... The first of these lokas is of course the earth or bhurloka. ...www.astrojyoti.com/vishnupurana.htm Mount Sumeru (Alternatively Meru) is in Jambudvipa(White Island) ...of the earth.The earth has many oceans and mountains. The land mass is divided into seven regions (dvipas) named Jambudvipa, Plakshadvipa, Shalmalidvipa, Kushadvipa, Krounchadvipa, Shakadvipa and Pushkaradvipa. The seven major oceans (samudra) that surround these land masses are Lavana, Ikshu, Sura, Ghrita, Dadhi and Jala. (The name of seven oceans differ from Purana to Purana. The missing name is that of the ocean known as Sarpi. THE LINGA PURANA- [ ___ ]The seven lokas of the upper regions are named bhuloka (the earth), buvarloka, ... The land mass is divided into seven regions (dvipas) named Jambudvipa, ...www.tantra.co.nz/lingam/lingampurana.htm

According to you're science the sun and stars are the same, therefore they don't move, Earth moves around the sun, hence, where ever the planet is around the sun, we should not be able to conatantly see the constellations, there would be a point were the Earth would be on the other half of the sun and Earth would only be able to see the constellations coming around the bend. But that's not the case is it.

The North Star, Live On!

Science does NOT say the sun and stars are all the same.Science does NOT say "they don't move".There are some parts of the sky that are visible in winter but not summer.Yes the north star is always in the same spot.(over the last couple thousand years or so)Please take an Astronomy class at your local community college.

Quoting: Setheory 399457

Science says stars are like the sun, the sun doesn't revolve around anything according to experts, therefore, neither would the stars, but you can see the NORTH STAR where ever the planet is around the sun, that shouldn't be the case, because the sun is a million times bigger than the earth, A MILLION.