I say go with 500mg of Sustanon only for 12 wks. Train super hard, get alot of good rest. Diet is the real key, of course. But 500mg of Sust = results, results, results. You won't notice the physical difference at first, but other people will. Trust me.

I run winny and tren first cycle because I needed just lean muscle and reduce body fat real good results run it for 10 weeks got the fat off then run deca tren and test 275 went from 6'0 225 28 percent body fat to 207 10 percent bf. Diet is key with anything but u gotta really be dedicated to your goals if body fat is not a problem then maybe go to the second cycle I suggested especially if u ever experience joint pain. I was a fat blob and worked my ass off for those results but I was in 38 jeans then down to 34 after running these back to back.

I just saying I run 1 cc winny mwf and 1 cc tren on thursday only for 10 weeks. It may be a little different but it worked for me I wouldn't do 600mg for a first cycle but 200 I thought worked good for me with no sides effects. Just a suggestion like I said low dose nothin crazy

Tren of any ester shouldn't be used on a first cycle imo an many others ask any vet on this board.....if your tryin to lose some bf and improve your hardness 500mg of test ew 50mg of winnie ed and Shit throw in some clen with proper diet and training that'l give you more than good results....try not to rely on drugs and more on diet an training if you want to be more than weekend warrior steroid user

Tren of any ester shouldn't be used on a first cycle imo an many others ask any vet on this board.....if your tryin to lose some bf and improve your hardness 500mg of test ew 50mg of winnie ed and Shit throw in some clen with proper diet and training that'l give you more than good results....try not to rely on drugs and more on diet an training if you want to be more than weekend warrior steroid user

Tren 100 by bd is an acetate esther...its pointless to use only once a week..you need to take it eod or preferably ed..recomending that to a newbie is bad advice...I think someone should take a good four cycles before dabbling in tren

Your right it was ac ester guess I took bad advice lucky I didn't have any problems I felt desperate because I had went 6 weeks at that bf doin 40 min of cardio every morn weights in afternoon and only lost 1 percent bf. Didn't know bout this board just took the advice from a guy who had been on gear for bout ten years so I trusted the guy but maybe shouldn't have. That's why I like this board some good advice maybe some bad but either way good discussion helps make wise decisions