They have been World Champions in reality every time they have won the NRL Premiership.

If you mean the mickey mouse game played in Feb/March each year in England against a team with 1/2 a dozen games under their belt under local refs and local conditions at home against an Oz team in pre season straight off a plane then it would be 1 with 3 runners up.

The last time there was a fair indication of Club sides was back in the SL war days.I guess you don't want to talk about those results against the weaker side of the Australian SL war.

I can't find the smiley that denotes someone holding up a handbag and shouting "eeeeeeewwww" so I'll do it myself to the screen of my pc.

So he says - "You're not a real fishmonger, you've just done a plop in the wrong lavatory..."

Wigan won fair and square and caught Brisbane out ( it was a long time ago Mate)

One of 3 games from around 20 played in the Southern Hemisphere.

The top SL side would not beat the top NRL side with all things being equal.NRL cast offs are stars in those SL sides.Look at Leeds, who would make a top NRL club from Leeds? who would even make an NRL Club?Burgess and Ellis are going ok and their Clubs this year are performing well but they are traditionally Clubs that do not make the finals

Hang on a minute,Burgess and Ellis are regarded as the best second rowers here in Australia,by no other than Gould and Fittler so they are going better than OK.Flanagan at the Tigers is doing OK ,gets a run most weeks and is in the squad.Wests Tigers won the GF just a few years ago and "traditionally"Souths have won more championships than all the other teams in Sydney.You metion players who would make it here in OZ from the UK Superleague,well Skandalis is getting a run at Wests,unheralded Flanagan at Wests,Crossman and Fitzhennry who were released by HKR are getting games at Souths and the Tigers.Last season at the Roosters Tansey went well at a very average Roosters team.I remember Jason Smith coming back from Hull FC and despite his age and chain smoking managed two seasons in the NRL at the Raiders and Cowboys.Even Langer came back fron Warrington to play SOO,there are some very average players in the NRL just as there is in Super League.

So on the one hand we have idle newspaper speculation in Aus, and on the other we have a direct quote from the chairman of the club Ox is contracted to. Just done a bit of digging, and I've found this quote from the man himself.

Couple that with the fact he tried to play on, and did play in the CC game against Wire, with three muscle tears in his shoulder and a dislocation, and it looks to me that he has a lot of pride in playing for the Bulls.

So on the one hand we have idle newspaper speculation in Aus, and on the other we have a direct quote from the chairman of the club Ox is contracted to. Just done a bit of digging, and I've found this quote from the man himself.

Couple that with the fact he tried to play on, and did play in the CC game against Wire, with three muscle tears in his shoulder and a dislocation, and it looks to me that he has a lot of pride in playing for the Bulls.

That newspaper report is seven weeks old!

I am quoting from today's papers in Australia.

Why doesn't some English journalist --- especially from the T & A -- get off his bum and call Orford now?

So on the one hand we have idle newspaper speculation in Aus, and on the other we have a direct quote from the chairman of the club Ox is contracted to. Just done a bit of digging, and I've found this quote from the man himself.

Couple that with the fact he tried to play on, and did play in the CC game against Wire, with three muscle tears in his shoulder and a dislocation, and it looks to me that he has a lot of pride in playing for the Bulls.

That article is nearly 2 months old.

The fact he's back in Manly recoiving from his injury says it all.

Best start seeing what NSW Cup half-backs are available for next season.

The Aussies can have him. He's 32, was injured when he came and then got further injured to write off his season. When he did play, he didn't set the world on fire. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we'd have been better sticking with Paul Deacon for another season.

We'd be better off saving Orford's 2011 salary and spending it on a younger proven halfback with organisational skills and a kicking game. Step forward Leon Pryce.

The Aussies can have him. He's 32, was injured when he came and then got further injured to write off his season. When he did play, he didn't set the world on fire. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we'd have been better sticking with Paul Deacon for another season.

We'd be better off saving Orford's 2011 salary and spending it on a younger proven halfback with organisational skills and a kicking game. Step forward Leon Pryce.

Why? Is he stood in the way of an organiser with a kicking game?

I admit that we could do with him, but he wouldn't bring those skills.