What did your vet say, Lea? Did he/she give you
a referral to an oncologist? You might be able to
get some realistic answers there.

Frankly, my concern would be that the DM would
progress faster than the development of another
mammary tumor or second site, making chemo
somewhat pointless. It's certainly true that dogs
respond differently to chemo than humans do,
but the timing you might expect from Josey's
other conditions would be a factor. An oncologist
might also be able to give you data about the
impact of chemo on adrenal glands, given
our breed's sensitivity in that area and her
pre-Cushings state.

I know you'll make the right decision for Josey,
whatever that decision is.

An aside - if you can get a copy of this month's
GSD Review, there's a 5 page spread on our rescue.

Nice article.

Yours in GSD Rescue,
Lynn K.

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Read the following posts and tell us if you think you're talkin
to a SANE DOG LOVER or a MENTAL CASE WHO HURTS
AND KILLS DOGS:

Sez so in your koehler book. Just did a review
of their website... check it HOWET.

Yeah, so long as you're ALWAYS STANDIN THERE
to HURT the dog. MISS WON OPPORTUNITY to HURT
the dog and IT will have been VARIABLY REINFORCED
to DO the behavior you're trying to train him NOT to DO,
LIKE EAT POISON, for E***AMPLE.

That's HOWE COME perry's dog Maggie GOT DEAD.

RIGHT! NOBODY HURTS DOGS HERE!

READ The Puppy Wizard's REVIEW of koehler's registered METHODS.

You koehler NAZIS always say that, but Charlie know
BETTER than THAT cause he LEARNED HOWE to
train his dog to natually want to do EVERY THING HE
ASKS withHOWET threats or CONSEQUENCES.

Well, no wonder I've not been able to embarrass
you outta here. I've been cutting off your goddamned
head and hiding it from you and you keep putting it
back on.

I shouldda known I shoulda just cut your heart out
but I didn't think you HAD one.

And I want to expose you as the lying dog abusing
Thug you are. You make it EZ.

I don't do that at all. That's why my students extinguish
behavior problems in one day in many cases, like
Charlie Wilcox with his aggression problem and the
85 year old cripple lady in a wheelchair with a barking
dog.

ONE DAY no more aggression or barking and a cripple
at that. She had a hard time using her clicker so had to
give up on THAT method.

And don't forget the OTHER CRIPPLE, Professora
Daniel and Sunshine, who'd been to Purdue behavior
clinic and four other trainers and took WON WEEK
to retrain Sunshine's aggression? He's fully trained
and can work as a THERAPY DOG nHOWE.

Teaching and alternate incompatible behavior
means you're gonna have to work for weeks
to train the behavior, and it still may not override
the initial urge to do the undesirable behavior.

I don't punish and I don't reward. That's why you
bums have behavior problems.

You mean, like goin "Un uh?"

You just said: "That gentle and joking "silly dog......"
is a correction."

And I said "Sure beats getting whipped with dahl's
40" hickory switch or a hangin.

And you said: "Every bit as much of a correction as
a nick with an electronic collar."

"Rather than punish the jump we give a correction?"

Does that make any sense on any level? You're mimicking
professor lying doc "scruff shake" dermer who punishes
behaviors and not the dog. You're double talking us again
because you don't know HOWE to train a dog without hurting
him. Take my reward money if you think you can.

Well, according to the FREE Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual, the dog is NO LONGER THINKING
about the behavior he's just done, he's thinking of the
NEXT behavior, which would probably be JUMPING AGAIN.

Then you've got to CORRECT AGAIN. And you've got
to increase the ATTENTION GETTING PROPENSITIES
of your corrections, which as you've already AGREED,
an uhuh is just as PAINFUL as a nick from your shock
collar or the WHOOSH! of your hickory stick.

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the
box
first?)

Hello People,

Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT. ----------------------------------------------
Your Puppy Wizard. <}YPW ; - } >

CAVEAT
If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
trainer that knows HOWE.

There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-

The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
learned qualities.

The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.