Yes we get it, don't have a false sense of security when it comes to your skills. However...

1) Why do YOU assume I or anyone else apparently, doesn't have any friends? These contrived scenarios are always ending with the grappler the one getting kicked in the head. So this is an easy fix, have friends that can fight and don't go to danger prone places without them. This way it's you who is slamming people to the ground and then kicking them in the head.

3) Fights are won by the dude who has a better combination of toughness, skills, physical traits, heart, and luck. Training a combat sport with hard sparring under a limited rule set is better than jerking yourself off to ways you'd fight in the "street". Just train hard to be well rounded and you'll destroy 9/10 of people who want to fight and you'll be prepared wherever the fight happens.

1) So are you arguing that the danger of going to the ground is ameliorated by having your friends with you? Your scenario of having friends who can fight and only going to danger-prone areas while with them is what makes it contrived. If you are actively seeking out danger prone places, you are contriving a scenario. The origin of this thread is actually a critique of anti-grappling techniques presented by Luke Holloway.

1) So are you arguing that the danger of going to the ground is ameliorated by having your friends with you? Your scenario of having friends who can fight and only going to danger-prone areas while with them is what makes it contrived. If you are actively seeking out danger prone places, you are contriving a scenario. The origin of this thread is actually a critique of anti-grappling techniques presented by Luke Holloway.

3) While I agree with you up to a point, enthusiasm and effort are no guarantee of success.

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1) I'm arguing that you're making up loaded scenarios that puts grapplers (or anyone) in a no-win situation. It's the proverbial Kobyashi-Maru. It's like if I said "Har har Kali doesn't work when faced with 3+ broadsword wielding attackers." It in no way invalidates the successful attributes of Kali or BJJ or whatever.

2) Nobody is claiming BJJ or grappling is making you a street ready wizard, you can stop knocking over the strawman.

1) So are you arguing that the danger of going to the ground is ameliorated by having your friends with you?

According to you, the danger of going to the ground is that:

the other people with whoever you are grappling soccer kick your head

As it stands, having your own people to prevent that from happening would indeed ameliorate it.

Originally Posted by bluedevilboy76

Your scenario of having friends who can fight and only going to danger-prone areas while with them is what makes it contrived.

Said the guy who's argument included the person you were fighting escaping to a getaway car...

Originally Posted by bluedevilboy76

The origin of this thread is actually a critique of anti-grappling techniques presented by Luke Holloway.

And yet you are troping out arguments against grappling in general instead of the shitty techniques of Mr. Holloway. Unless of course it's your argument that Luke's crappling was so bad that it automatically rendered thousands of years of martial arts technique and development invalid?

And yet you are troping out arguments against grappling in general instead of the shitty techniques of Mr. Holloway. Unless of course it's your argument that Luke's crappling was so bad that it automatically rendered thousands of years of martial arts technique and development invalid?

Actually, I'm not troping out arguments against grappling in general. I'm pointing out the simple fact that being on the ground in any situation other than a controlled training scenario or a competition is a bad idea.

1) I'm arguing that you're making up loaded scenarios that puts grapplers (or anyone) in a no-win situation. It's the proverbial Kobyashi-Maru. It's like if I said "Har har Kali doesn't work when faced with 3+ broadsword wielding attackers." It in no way invalidates the successful attributes of Kali or BJJ or whatever.

What exactly is "loaded" about the thought that a fight outside of the ring or off the mat would include more than one assailant? Also, I haven't made any mention of weapons: you did.

I'm not setting up a straw man. I'm putting forth the idea that going to the ground and advertising that as "street" is foolish.

Actually, I'm not troping out arguments against grappling in general. I'm pointing out the simple fact that being on the ground in any situation other than a controlled training scenario or a competition is a bad idea.

So just to clarify, Luke's specific anti-grappling techniques are bad because being on the ground(grappling) in any non-sport situation is always a bad idea?

Actually, I'm not troping out arguments against grappling in general. I'm pointing out the simple fact that being on the ground in any situation other than a controlled training scenario or a competition is a bad idea.