WASHINGTON — Anthony Scaramucci, in his first interview since his fleeting tenure as President Donald Trump‘s communications director, said that his former boss should have been “much harsher with regards to white supremacy,” when speaking about this weekend’s Charlottesville clashes.

Trump, Scaramucci said, “likes doing the opposite of what the media thinks he should do.”

Scaramucci also hinted that the days are numbered for Trump’s chief strategist, Steve Bannon. Scaramucci decried what he called the “Bannon-Bart” influence at the White House, labelling it “nonsense.” It was a reference to Bannon’s former job running Brietbart.com, the right-wing site that has also been associated with the alt-right.

Trump “has got to go more to the mainstream,” Scaramucci said. He said that he thinks “the president knows what he is going to do with Steve Bannon,” adding that Trump “has an idea of who the leakers are.”

He said that he thought that the phone call was off the record, and called it a “very deceitful thing” for Lizza to publish his quotes.

But he acknowledged that he “made an unforced error,” and said that he was a target from the start.

“There were probably one or two people who wanted me in that job,” including Trump, Scaramucci said. “There were probably 200 people that didn’t want me in that job.”

He also said that how he sounds on the audio of the conversation is much different than how he comes across in print — calmer in conversation than the inflammatory words would suggest.

Despite his departure from the White House, Scaramucci said that he remains loyal and supportive of the president, and talked to him in the past week.

He said that some of the turbulence of Trump’s first six months is because “the president is not a representative of political establishment class, and for whatever reason people want to eject him.”

He said that Trump had created an “opening” for corporate CEOs to “enter the system,” and mentioned Facebook‘s Mark Zuckerberg and The Walt Disney Co.’sBob Iger as corporate chieftains who have expressed an interest in politics.

He said that one of his faults in taking the job was that “I was running too hard like a corporate CEO than a political operative.”

“I went in there with my heart and soul,” he said. “I am a straight talking person.”