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IT COMES as no surprise that those “champions of the working class” in the Labour Party have once again acted in a manner which tramples on the rights of workers in Wales. In a recent debate in Cardiff Bay, First Minister Carwyn Jones was challenged by Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood to rule out Labour joining with the Conservatives to prevent a ban on zero-hours contracts in Wales, and refused.

Meanwhile, many of our workers are left without any security in their jobs an unacceptable state of affairs in any civilised country.

Surely it is time that the First Minister realised that zero hours contracts “which he does not have to experience” are detrimental to the people who labour under them – or not, if the work does not come through.

I am reminded of what we all know happened in the 1920s and 1930s.

People then would go out not knowing whether there would be work for them that day, and for us to be once more in that situation is nothing short of disgusting.

Glanmor Bowen-Knight Tredegar

Comments (40)

There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people '

I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote !

There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people '
I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote !Mr Angry

Whilst it is your choice not to register a vote, you should remember that under the flawed democracy we have, a reduced turnout may directly benefit "fringe" parties with a small but dedicated support.

Whilst it is your choice not to register a vote, you should remember that under the flawed democracy we have, a reduced turnout may directly benefit "fringe" parties with a small but dedicated support.-trigg-

Although zero hours contracts suit some people they are in the minority. These contracts afford the political elite the ability to massage unemployment figures. I believe a vote for UKIP would undermine employers who manipulate the labour market for their own greed.

Although zero hours contracts suit some people they are in the minority. These contracts afford the political elite the ability to massage unemployment figures. I believe a vote for UKIP would undermine employers who manipulate the labour market for their own greed.Realist UK

Who want to make decisions on how our country is run as opposed to the other parties, including Plaid, who are quite happy to delegate that responsibility to the unelected elite in Brussels.

[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote:
UKIP are a bunch of Tories.[/p][/quote]Who want to make decisions on how our country is run as opposed to the other parties, including Plaid, who are quite happy to delegate that responsibility to the unelected elite in Brussels.Realist UK

Mr Angry wrote:
There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people '

I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote !

Don't tell me what should do! + I've already voted!!!

[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote:
There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people '
I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote ![/p][/quote]Don't tell me what should do! + I've already voted!!!Newportg

Mr Angry wrote:
There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people '

I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote !

What a silly suggestion. NO vote simply enables those who will and there is no guarantee they share your viewpoint. It's time to cease the relentless attacks on Plaid and on Labour, their voters turn up, those who share your view do not, so why cares what you think ? get out there and vote for what YOU want, it's hardly rocket science. If you hate the assembly hate labour, love the tories or love anyone who is not representing any of them go for it. Vote tory or stand up yourself for election, its a democracy (Sort of!). Mr Angry is the reason labour will have a walkover and maybe UKIP will get a fair showing too. What you won't see are liberals or Tories, no-hopers, and unsupported in Wales.

[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote:
There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people '
I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote ![/p][/quote]What a silly suggestion. NO vote simply enables those who will and there is no guarantee they share your viewpoint. It's time to cease the relentless attacks on Plaid and on Labour, their voters turn up, those who share your view do not, so why cares what you think ? get out there and vote for what YOU want, it's hardly rocket science. If you hate the assembly hate labour, love the tories or love anyone who is not representing any of them go for it. Vote tory or stand up yourself for election, its a democracy (Sort of!). Mr Angry is the reason labour will have a walkover and maybe UKIP will get a fair showing too. What you won't see are liberals or Tories, no-hopers, and unsupported in Wales.Mervyn James

Mr Angry wrote: There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people ' I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote !

What a silly suggestion. NO vote simply enables those who will and there is no guarantee they share your viewpoint. It's time to cease the relentless attacks on Plaid and on Labour, their voters turn up, those who share your view do not, so why cares what you think ? get out there and vote for what YOU want, it's hardly rocket science. If you hate the assembly hate labour, love the tories or love anyone who is not representing any of them go for it. Vote tory or stand up yourself for election, its a democracy (Sort of!). Mr Angry is the reason labour will have a walkover and maybe UKIP will get a fair showing too. What you won't see are liberals or Tories, no-hopers, and unsupported in Wales.

Merv - there is no one worth voting for, that is the point I'm trying to make .

[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people ' I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote ![/p][/quote]What a silly suggestion. NO vote simply enables those who will and there is no guarantee they share your viewpoint. It's time to cease the relentless attacks on Plaid and on Labour, their voters turn up, those who share your view do not, so why cares what you think ? get out there and vote for what YOU want, it's hardly rocket science. If you hate the assembly hate labour, love the tories or love anyone who is not representing any of them go for it. Vote tory or stand up yourself for election, its a democracy (Sort of!). Mr Angry is the reason labour will have a walkover and maybe UKIP will get a fair showing too. What you won't see are liberals or Tories, no-hopers, and unsupported in Wales.[/p][/quote]Merv - there is no one worth voting for, that is the point I'm trying to make .Mr Angry

NOTA is not an option either, indeed it creates the very thing you dislike, the election of those who you feel aren't worth bothering with, they will be re-elected via your apathy. The people that do turn out gave us a welsh assembly, and, a labour majority in Wales, I am sure they are obliged to you for staying at home. Didn't the last election see just TWO people turn up at an electoral booth somewhere ? But labour still got in.... If you and me both run up this changes it doesn't it ?

NOTA is not an option either, indeed it creates the very thing you dislike, the election of those who you feel aren't worth bothering with, they will be re-elected via your apathy. The people that do turn out gave us a welsh assembly, and, a labour majority in Wales, I am sure they are obliged to you for staying at home. Didn't the last election see just TWO people turn up at an electoral booth somewhere ? But labour still got in.... If you and me both run up this changes it doesn't it ?Mervyn James

Tories - Reponsible for drop in my living standards, upper class twits never done days work in their lives.
Labour - watered down Tories, forgotten their roots and who they are supposed to represent
Lib Dem - a joke
Plaid - Nut cases
UKIP - bigger nutcases

All will fiddle expenses allowances taxes etc

There is no one worth voting for

Tories - Reponsible for drop in my living standards, upper class twits never done days work in their lives.
Labour - watered down Tories, forgotten their roots and who they are supposed to represent
Lib Dem - a joke
Plaid - Nut cases
UKIP - bigger nutcases
All will fiddle expenses allowances taxes etc
There is no one worth voting forMr Angry

-trigg- wrote:
&quot;UKIP are racists, UKIP are Tories, UKIP want to bring back slavery" etc etc etc. The one thing that all this tells me is that the Labour party and Conservatives are running scared.

Working people have very little protection in the workplace, the small amount we have is due to EU legislation or 'Red Tape' as Far right rage calls it, the removal of these rights and protection will result in a fire at will policy, any sane working person cannot support UKIP for that reason alone.

The EU gives working people a better deal than ANY of the UK political parties. Thats why none of them are worth voting for.

[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote:
"UKIP are racists, UKIP are Tories, UKIP want to bring back slavery" etc etc etc. The one thing that all this tells me is that the Labour party and Conservatives are running scared.[/p][/quote]Working people have very little protection in the workplace, the small amount we have is due to EU legislation or 'Red Tape' as Far right rage calls it, the removal of these rights and protection will result in a fire at will policy, any sane working person cannot support UKIP for that reason alone.
The EU gives working people a better deal than ANY of the UK political parties. Thats why none of them are worth voting for.Mr Angry

The vast majority of UKIP's membership is working class, far more so than labour's millionaire club, why would we look to undermine worker's rights?

Find out for yourself who we are and come along to our next meeting.

ukipnewport.com

Lol.
The vast majority of UKIP's membership is working class, far more so than labour's millionaire club, why would we look to undermine worker's rights?
Find out for yourself who we are and come along to our next meeting.
ukipnewport.comSpinflight

Spinflight wrote:
Lol. The vast majority of UKIP's membership is working class, far more so than labour's millionaire club, why would we look to undermine worker's rights? Find out for yourself who we are and come along to our next meeting. ukipnewport.com

Far right rage on question time stated he wanted rid of EU employment red tape to make it easier 'To hire and fire' - his words,

I dont forget - he said it, anyone who votes for less protection from the British Employer, the worst in the world , must be mad

[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote:
Lol. The vast majority of UKIP's membership is working class, far more so than labour's millionaire club, why would we look to undermine worker's rights? Find out for yourself who we are and come along to our next meeting. ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]Far right rage on question time stated he wanted rid of EU employment red tape to make it easier 'To hire and fire' - his words,
I dont forget - he said it, anyone who votes for less protection from the British Employer, the worst in the world , must be madMr Angry

Spinflight wrote: Lol. The vast majority of UKIP's membership is working class, far more so than labour's millionaire club, why would we look to undermine worker's rights? Find out for yourself who we are and come along to our next meeting. ukipnewport.com

Far right rage on question time stated he wanted rid of EU employment red tape to make it easier 'To hire and fire' - his words, I dont forget - he said it, anyone who votes for less protection from the British Employer, the worst in the world , must be mad

"To hire and fire" Interesting that you only concentrate on the negative aspects of that phrase - hints of socialist union-driven job protection there perhaps?

If it is made easier for employers to hire staff, one would think that would be a good thing for the workers.

No doubt there have been a few decent policies introduced by the EU, but nowhere near enough of them to justify the multi-billion pound annual membership fee, or the requirement to follow the raft of policies and legislation that are bad for Britain and bad for the people of Britain.

[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: Lol. The vast majority of UKIP's membership is working class, far more so than labour's millionaire club, why would we look to undermine worker's rights? Find out for yourself who we are and come along to our next meeting. ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]Far right rage on question time stated he wanted rid of EU employment red tape to make it easier 'To hire and fire' - his words, I dont forget - he said it, anyone who votes for less protection from the British Employer, the worst in the world , must be mad[/p][/quote]"To [bold]hire[/bold] and fire" Interesting that you only concentrate on the negative aspects of that phrase - hints of socialist union-driven job protection there perhaps?
If it is made easier for employers to hire staff, one would think that would be a good thing for the workers.
No doubt there have been a few decent policies introduced by the EU, but nowhere near enough of them to justify the multi-billion pound annual membership fee, or the requirement to follow the raft of policies and legislation that are bad for Britain and bad for the people of Britain.-trigg-

Spinflight wrote: Lol. The vast majority of UKIP's membership is working class, far more so than labour's millionaire club, why would we look to undermine worker's rights? Find out for yourself who we are and come along to our next meeting. ukipnewport.com

Far right rage on question time stated he wanted rid of EU employment red tape to make it easier 'To hire and fire' - his words, I dont forget - he said it, anyone who votes for less protection from the British Employer, the worst in the world , must be mad

&quot;To hire and fire" Interesting that you only concentrate on the negative aspects of that phrase - hints of socialist union-driven job protection there perhaps? If it is made easier for employers to hire staff, one would think that would be a good thing for the workers. No doubt there have been a few decent policies introduced by the EU, but nowhere near enough of them to justify the multi-billion pound annual membership fee, or the requirement to follow the raft of policies and legislation that are bad for Britain and bad for the people of Britain.

You favour a fire at will policy then ? As long as your not the one being fired because the boss has a headache, or you wint work unpaid overtime ?

[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: Lol. The vast majority of UKIP's membership is working class, far more so than labour's millionaire club, why would we look to undermine worker's rights? Find out for yourself who we are and come along to our next meeting. ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]Far right rage on question time stated he wanted rid of EU employment red tape to make it easier 'To hire and fire' - his words, I dont forget - he said it, anyone who votes for less protection from the British Employer, the worst in the world , must be mad[/p][/quote]"To [bold]hire[/bold] and fire" Interesting that you only concentrate on the negative aspects of that phrase - hints of socialist union-driven job protection there perhaps? If it is made easier for employers to hire staff, one would think that would be a good thing for the workers. No doubt there have been a few decent policies introduced by the EU, but nowhere near enough of them to justify the multi-billion pound annual membership fee, or the requirement to follow the raft of policies and legislation that are bad for Britain and bad for the people of Britain.[/p][/quote]You favour a fire at will policy then ? As long as your not the one being fired because the boss has a headache, or you wint work unpaid overtime ?Mr Angry

The vast majority of UKIP's membership is working class, far more so than labour's millionaire club, why would we look to undermine worker's rights?

Find out for yourself who we are and come along to our next meeting.

ukipnewport.com

The vast majority of Tory supporters are workers as well. The outdated notion that there is this seperate band of people who get up in the morning and doff their caps all day long to some fat cats and whose well-being is solely the task of the Labour Party is some 1930s caricature.

[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote:
Lol.
The vast majority of UKIP's membership is working class, far more so than labour's millionaire club, why would we look to undermine worker's rights?
Find out for yourself who we are and come along to our next meeting.
ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]The vast majority of Tory supporters are workers as well. The outdated notion that there is this seperate band of people who get up in the morning and doff their caps all day long to some fat cats and whose well-being is solely the task of the Labour Party is some 1930s caricature.Llanmartinangel

I foresee a Huge following for the UKIP despite concerted attempts to make them out blatant racists and closet Tories. Yesterdays attempt by Cameron and Co to challenge the UKIP's claim of the UK still being flooded by migrants saw Cameron with egg on his face again, whilst the UKIP said Romanians and Bulgarians would flood in and they didn't, migrancy HAD still gone up by 74,000 on last year, and we saw the BBC talking to polish migrants advertising for even more of their peers to come here for 'jobs a plenty'... So why are 2.2m BRITISH workers without them ? Are we going to get comments yet again British workers are drugged up benefit dependents and chavs ? and too ill-educated to do work ?

I foresee a Huge following for the UKIP despite concerted attempts to make them out blatant racists and closet Tories. Yesterdays attempt by Cameron and Co to challenge the UKIP's claim of the UK still being flooded by migrants saw Cameron with egg on his face again, whilst the UKIP said Romanians and Bulgarians would flood in and they didn't, migrancy HAD still gone up by 74,000 on last year, and we saw the BBC talking to polish migrants advertising for even more of their peers to come here for 'jobs a plenty'... So why are 2.2m BRITISH workers without them ? Are we going to get comments yet again British workers are drugged up benefit dependents and chavs ? and too ill-educated to do work ?Mervyn James

Mr Angry wrote:
Tories - Reponsible for drop in my living standards, upper class twits never done days work in their lives.
Labour - watered down Tories, forgotten their roots and who they are supposed to represent
Lib Dem - a joke
Plaid - Nut cases
UKIP - bigger nutcases

All will fiddle expenses allowances taxes etc

There is no one worth voting for

Here are Mr A: a party even you would vote for, I hope you read this as it took me hours:

The British economy needs urgently to be rebalanced. For decades, banks and City institutions have been allowed by their political puppets to grow fat at all our expense, while productive hard industries that produce real wealth have been starved of investment and vision and been closed down or shipped abroad.

Worst of all, the power to create the credit that the real economy needs has been usurped by private banks. This was denied for many years, but the advent of Quantitive Easing has led to the admission that QE involves the Bank of England simply creating money out of thin air, then giving it virtually for free to financial institutions which then lend it to the rest of us at usurious interest rates. It’s the biggest scam in human history, and we’ll stop it for good!

The BNP would strip private banks of their stolen power to create credit. Instead, the nation’s money supply would be regulated by a Ministry of Finance team of independent experts who would assess how much fresh credit is needed each year and allocate that amount for government spending on job- and wealth-creating capital investment such as new power plants and land reclamation schemes.

The Ministry of Finance should also fund steady and generous investment in pure and applied science and Research & Development projects at British universities. This would end the long-term scandal whereby British scientists discover and invent things, only to see their wealth-making applications developed abroad by our competitors.

This carefully targeted interest-free spending boost would lead to a massive improvement in our national infrastructure which would in turn help to rebuild the UK’s broken hard industrial base.

- Restore the power to issue the nation’s credit to properly regulated national authority
- The private corporation that is the Bank of England must be taken into full public ownership
- Turn the banks into the servants, not the masters, of the productive economy and the nation
- Develop British inventions for commercial exploitation by home-grown industry
- Rebuild our manufacturing base and cut the short-termist influence of the City of London’s financial markets
- Work with other like-minded nations to break forever the undemocratic power of international finance...

Health and Benefits Mr A:

The creation of the National Health Service and benefits system was one of the great humanitarian achievements of our time. Freeing millions from fear of sickness and poverty, it is the living embodiment of the nationalist view of the Nation as an extended family, whose members have a duty to help members of the family who, through no fault of their own, are in need.

Unfortunately, the NHS is now under relentless attack from an unholy alliance of greedy corporations cherry-picking the opportunities to turn public service into private profit, and Frankfurt School Marxists who want to destroy much-loved national institutions in order to undermine the ‘false consciousness’ of working class patriotism that stands in the way of their plans for World Revolution.

The BNP stands for the restoration of a properly-funded National Health Service and benefits system for everyone whose families have paid in to the system or who are both British citizens and genuinely unable to contribute or work through no fault of their own. Those who would sponge on the majority need a reality check and an unavoidable appointment with Dr. Work!

Cut bureaucracy, not nurses’ jobs and hospitals. Leave GPs to see patients, not manage budget sheets.

There is a growing challenge of deciding how far to take ever more expensive ways to treat the terminally ill. There is a point at which medical technology outstrips both the reasonable ability of society as a whole to pay for it and compassionate common sense. It is not for politicians to play God, so we would encourage an extended and inclusive national debate, followed by popular referenda to set overall policy objectives.

- Stop and reverse the privatisation of the NHS. It’s about health, not wealth
- Put hospitals under the control of senior nursing staff, not bureaucrats
- Boost the pay of skilled nurses and peg the excessive earnings of many doctors
- Invest heavily in improving public health and other preventative measures
- Only those whose families have paid in should be able to benefit from publicly-funded health care; it’s not the International Health Service!
- The benefits system must provide a proper safety net for the needy, not subsidised idleness for the lazy and greedy....

The Environment Mr A:

This is our land! It made us and we shaped it! As nationalists we understand that there are deep and sacred bonds between all indigenous peoples and their native land – and we British are no exception.

The latest DNA science proving beyond doubt that the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh are largely descended from hunters who returned here at the end of the last Ice Age. This gives us both special rights and duties to possess and preserve our Green and Pleasant Land.

We agree with the huge and growing number of scientists who recognise that Man-Made Global Warming is an unfounded myth, propagated by carbon trading criminals, wind farm profiteers and politicians in their pockets.

The money being wasted on the elite’s climate change scam should be used instead for genuinely useful environmental projects, such as upland re-afforestation with native species, sea defences and replacing the hideous 1960s concrete monstrosities that deface our towns and cities with human-scale architecture that reflects local tradition.

While we are committed to enhancing the UK’s food security and achieving the maximum possible self-sufficiency, we are deeply suspicious of chemical-based agribusiness and regard the degradation of soil structure and the natural fertility of our farmland as a crisis that must be urgently addressed.

Our mission is to make Britain a healthier place for our children, for our wildlife and for future generations. Nationalism is a philosophy that rejects short-term materialism in favour of a long-term approach that simultaneously values and respects the past and looks to and protects the future .

- No more inefficient eyesore wind farms or dangerous fracking wells
- Stop Frankenfoods. Protect our environment by banning GM crops
- Save the Greenbelt by banning greenfield site house building except small scale developments for genuine local need
- Save Our Seas! Restore Britain’s 200-mile fishing limit. Sustainable fisheries for British fishermen!
- Encourage organic farming and family farms rather than agribusiness
- Keep out low quality, cruelty food from countries that do not enforce the strict animal welfare rules obeyed by British farmers, No non Stunned Slaughter....Democra
cy

On Democracy Mr A:
Once the Mother of Parliaments and a byword for honest, efficient government, British democracy now needs saving from a swamp of sleaze, corruption and incompetence.

There is a growing crisis of democratic legitimacy caused by disillusioned voters refusing to take part in elections, the privatisation transfer of power and assets from democratic institutions to big business and the way in which a handful of media moguls channel and twist public discourse to favour themselves and allied vested interests.

The entire political process was customised by the Blair regime to benefit the Labour Party, while the whole political elite has engaged in the worst gerrymandering exercise in history by replacing ‘unreliable’ British voters by client immigrant groups who owe their very presence here to the politicians who fall over themselves for their votes.

The British National Party will restore genuine democracy by breaking the monopoly power of the corporate media and the institutionally anti-British BBC to set the confines of ‘respectable’ debate and to set the electoral agenda.

We will return to democratically elected local government and to local communities the powers usurped by the EU, Westminster, Whitehall and by big business.

Believing that government should be as close to the people as possible, and in keeping with our reverence for tradition, we would restore the ancient pre-1974 counties and devolve as much power as possible from higher levels of government to County Council level.

- Root out corruption by jailing politicians who take bribes and confiscate the assets of businesses caught trying to buy favours
- Ban politicians from ever taking jobs or benefits from big businesses that have benefitted in any way from decisions and votes made by them while in office
- Abolish postal voting for all except the very ill, the elderly and people working away
- Democratise the crony-packed House of Lords with PR elections
- Break up media monopolies
- Create an English Parliament to restore the constitutional balance upset by Labour’s devolution fiasco.....

[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote:
Tories - Reponsible for drop in my living standards, upper class twits never done days work in their lives.
Labour - watered down Tories, forgotten their roots and who they are supposed to represent
Lib Dem - a joke
Plaid - Nut cases
UKIP - bigger nutcases
All will fiddle expenses allowances taxes etc
There is no one worth voting for[/p][/quote]Here are Mr A: a party even you would vote for, I hope you read this as it took me hours:
The British economy needs urgently to be rebalanced. For decades, banks and City institutions have been allowed by their political puppets to grow fat at all our expense, while productive hard industries that produce real wealth have been starved of investment and vision and been closed down or shipped abroad.
Worst of all, the power to create the credit that the real economy needs has been usurped by private banks. This was denied for many years, but the advent of Quantitive Easing has led to the admission that QE involves the Bank of England simply creating money out of thin air, then giving it virtually for free to financial institutions which then lend it to the rest of us at usurious interest rates. It’s the biggest scam in human history, and we’ll stop it for good!
The BNP would strip private banks of their stolen power to create credit. Instead, the nation’s money supply would be regulated by a Ministry of Finance team of independent experts who would assess how much fresh credit is needed each year and allocate that amount for government spending on job- and wealth-creating capital investment such as new power plants and land reclamation schemes.
The Ministry of Finance should also fund steady and generous investment in pure and applied science and Research & Development projects at British universities. This would end the long-term scandal whereby British scientists discover and invent things, only to see their wealth-making applications developed abroad by our competitors.
This carefully targeted interest-free spending boost would lead to a massive improvement in our national infrastructure which would in turn help to rebuild the UK’s broken hard industrial base.
- Restore the power to issue the nation’s credit to properly regulated national authority
- The private corporation that is the Bank of England must be taken into full public ownership
- Turn the banks into the servants, not the masters, of the productive economy and the nation
- Develop British inventions for commercial exploitation by home-grown industry
- Rebuild our manufacturing base and cut the short-termist influence of the City of London’s financial markets
- Work with other like-minded nations to break forever the undemocratic power of international finance...
Health and Benefits Mr A:
The creation of the National Health Service and benefits system was one of the great humanitarian achievements of our time. Freeing millions from fear of sickness and poverty, it is the living embodiment of the nationalist view of the Nation as an extended family, whose members have a duty to help members of the family who, through no fault of their own, are in need.
Unfortunately, the NHS is now under relentless attack from an unholy alliance of greedy corporations cherry-picking the opportunities to turn public service into private profit, and Frankfurt School Marxists who want to destroy much-loved national institutions in order to undermine the ‘false consciousness’ of working class patriotism that stands in the way of their plans for World Revolution.
The BNP stands for the restoration of a properly-funded National Health Service and benefits system for everyone whose families have paid in to the system or who are both British citizens and genuinely unable to contribute or work through no fault of their own. Those who would sponge on the majority need a reality check and an unavoidable appointment with Dr. Work!
Cut bureaucracy, not nurses’ jobs and hospitals. Leave GPs to see patients, not manage budget sheets.
There is a growing challenge of deciding how far to take ever more expensive ways to treat the terminally ill. There is a point at which medical technology outstrips both the reasonable ability of society as a whole to pay for it and compassionate common sense. It is not for politicians to play God, so we would encourage an extended and inclusive national debate, followed by popular referenda to set overall policy objectives.
- Stop and reverse the privatisation of the NHS. It’s about health, not wealth
- Put hospitals under the control of senior nursing staff, not bureaucrats
- Boost the pay of skilled nurses and peg the excessive earnings of many doctors
- Invest heavily in improving public health and other preventative measures
- Only those whose families have paid in should be able to benefit from publicly-funded health care; it’s not the International Health Service!
- The benefits system must provide a proper safety net for the needy, not subsidised idleness for the lazy and greedy....
The Environment Mr A:
This is our land! It made us and we shaped it! As nationalists we understand that there are deep and sacred bonds between all indigenous peoples and their native land – and we British are no exception.
The latest DNA science proving beyond doubt that the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh are largely descended from hunters who returned here at the end of the last Ice Age. This gives us both special rights and duties to possess and preserve our Green and Pleasant Land.
We agree with the huge and growing number of scientists who recognise that Man-Made Global Warming is an unfounded myth, propagated by carbon trading criminals, wind farm profiteers and politicians in their pockets.
The money being wasted on the elite’s climate change scam should be used instead for genuinely useful environmental projects, such as upland re-afforestation with native species, sea defences and replacing the hideous 1960s concrete monstrosities that deface our towns and cities with human-scale architecture that reflects local tradition.
While we are committed to enhancing the UK’s food security and achieving the maximum possible self-sufficiency, we are deeply suspicious of chemical-based agribusiness and regard the degradation of soil structure and the natural fertility of our farmland as a crisis that must be urgently addressed.
Our mission is to make Britain a healthier place for our children, for our wildlife and for future generations. Nationalism is a philosophy that rejects short-term materialism in favour of a long-term approach that simultaneously values and respects the past and looks to and protects the future .
- No more inefficient eyesore wind farms or dangerous fracking wells
- Stop Frankenfoods. Protect our environment by banning GM crops
- Save the Greenbelt by banning greenfield site house building except small scale developments for genuine local need
- Save Our Seas! Restore Britain’s 200-mile fishing limit. Sustainable fisheries for British fishermen!
- Encourage organic farming and family farms rather than agribusiness
- Keep out low quality, cruelty food from countries that do not enforce the strict animal welfare rules obeyed by British farmers, No non Stunned Slaughter....Democra
cy
On Democracy Mr A:
Once the Mother of Parliaments and a byword for honest, efficient government, British democracy now needs saving from a swamp of sleaze, corruption and incompetence.
There is a growing crisis of democratic legitimacy caused by disillusioned voters refusing to take part in elections, the privatisation transfer of power and assets from democratic institutions to big business and the way in which a handful of media moguls channel and twist public discourse to favour themselves and allied vested interests.
The entire political process was customised by the Blair regime to benefit the Labour Party, while the whole political elite has engaged in the worst gerrymandering exercise in history by replacing ‘unreliable’ British voters by client immigrant groups who owe their very presence here to the politicians who fall over themselves for their votes.
The British National Party will restore genuine democracy by breaking the monopoly power of the corporate media and the institutionally anti-British BBC to set the confines of ‘respectable’ debate and to set the electoral agenda.
We will return to democratically elected local government and to local communities the powers usurped by the EU, Westminster, Whitehall and by big business.
Believing that government should be as close to the people as possible, and in keeping with our reverence for tradition, we would restore the ancient pre-1974 counties and devolve as much power as possible from higher levels of government to County Council level.
- Root out corruption by jailing politicians who take bribes and confiscate the assets of businesses caught trying to buy favours
- Ban politicians from ever taking jobs or benefits from big businesses that have benefitted in any way from decisions and votes made by them while in office
- Abolish postal voting for all except the very ill, the elderly and people working away
- Democratise the crony-packed House of Lords with PR elections
- Break up media monopolies
- Create an English Parliament to restore the constitutional balance upset by Labour’s devolution fiasco.....welshmen

Pick and choose all the red tape you like, simple fact is that it costs jobs and costs all of us dear.

Easy and forthcoming example, if you employ welders then under EU regs you have to send them all on expensive training courses within the next couple of months or else go out of business. As each course will be upwards of two grand many small businesses won't be able to afford it...

Pick and choose all the red tape you like, simple fact is that it costs jobs and costs all of us dear.
Easy and forthcoming example, if you employ welders then under EU regs you have to send them all on expensive training courses within the next couple of months or else go out of business. As each course will be upwards of two grand many small businesses won't be able to afford it...Spinflight

Mr Angry wrote:
There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people '

I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote !

Then you have no right to comment and deserve all you get.Like the trade union member who does not attend his branch meeting he has no right to condemn the decisions taken .

[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote:
There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people '
I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote ![/p][/quote]Then you have no right to comment and deserve all you get.Like the trade union member who does not attend his branch meeting he has no right to condemn the decisions taken .coalpicker

pwlldu wrote:
Romanians and Bulgarians ARE WHITE COMMITTED CHRISTIANS AND SHOULD ADDRESS THE BALANCE ANY FEAR OF AN ISALM STATE WHICH BNP AND BRITAIN FIRST IS PEDDLING.

Another X factor watcher. Change to Al jazeera and see what we are bequeathing our great grand children.

[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote:
Romanians and Bulgarians ARE WHITE COMMITTED CHRISTIANS AND SHOULD ADDRESS THE BALANCE ANY FEAR OF AN ISALM STATE WHICH BNP AND BRITAIN FIRST IS PEDDLING.[/p][/quote]Another X factor watcher. Change to Al jazeera and see what we are bequeathing our great grand children.coalpicker

Mr Angry wrote: Tories - Reponsible for drop in my living standards, upper class twits never done days work in their lives. Labour - watered down Tories, forgotten their roots and who they are supposed to represent Lib Dem - a joke Plaid - Nut cases UKIP - bigger nutcases All will fiddle expenses allowances taxes etc There is no one worth voting for

Here are Mr A: a party even you would vote for, I hope you read this as it took me hours: The British economy needs urgently to be rebalanced. For decades, banks and City institutions have been allowed by their political puppets to grow fat at all our expense, while productive hard industries that produce real wealth have been starved of investment and vision and been closed down or shipped abroad. Worst of all, the power to create the credit that the real economy needs has been usurped by private banks. This was denied for many years, but the advent of Quantitive Easing has led to the admission that QE involves the Bank of England simply creating money out of thin air, then giving it virtually for free to financial institutions which then lend it to the rest of us at usurious interest rates. It’s the biggest scam in human history, and we’ll stop it for good! The BNP would strip private banks of their stolen power to create credit. Instead, the nation’s money supply would be regulated by a Ministry of Finance team of independent experts who would assess how much fresh credit is needed each year and allocate that amount for government spending on job- and wealth-creating capital investment such as new power plants and land reclamation schemes. The Ministry of Finance should also fund steady and generous investment in pure and applied science and Research &amp; Development projects at British universities. This would end the long-term scandal whereby British scientists discover and invent things, only to see their wealth-making applications developed abroad by our competitors. This carefully targeted interest-free spending boost would lead to a massive improvement in our national infrastructure which would in turn help to rebuild the UK’s broken hard industrial base. - Restore the power to issue the nation’s credit to properly regulated national authority - The private corporation that is the Bank of England must be taken into full public ownership - Turn the banks into the servants, not the masters, of the productive economy and the nation - Develop British inventions for commercial exploitation by home-grown industry - Rebuild our manufacturing base and cut the short-termist influence of the City of London’s financial markets - Work with other like-minded nations to break forever the undemocratic power of international finance... Health and Benefits Mr A: The creation of the National Health Service and benefits system was one of the great humanitarian achievements of our time. Freeing millions from fear of sickness and poverty, it is the living embodiment of the nationalist view of the Nation as an extended family, whose members have a duty to help members of the family who, through no fault of their own, are in need. Unfortunately, the NHS is now under relentless attack from an unholy alliance of greedy corporations cherry-picking the opportunities to turn public service into private profit, and Frankfurt School Marxists who want to destroy much-loved national institutions in order to undermine the ‘false consciousness’ of working class patriotism that stands in the way of their plans for World Revolution. The BNP stands for the restoration of a properly-funded National Health Service and benefits system for everyone whose families have paid in to the system or who are both British citizens and genuinely unable to contribute or work through no fault of their own. Those who would sponge on the majority need a reality check and an unavoidable appointment with Dr. Work! Cut bureaucracy, not nurses’ jobs and hospitals. Leave GPs to see patients, not manage budget sheets. There is a growing challenge of deciding how far to take ever more expensive ways to treat the terminally ill. There is a point at which medical technology outstrips both the reasonable ability of society as a whole to pay for it and compassionate common sense. It is not for politicians to play God, so we would encourage an extended and inclusive national debate, followed by popular referenda to set overall policy objectives. - Stop and reverse the privatisation of the NHS. It’s about health, not wealth - Put hospitals under the control of senior nursing staff, not bureaucrats - Boost the pay of skilled nurses and peg the excessive earnings of many doctors - Invest heavily in improving public health and other preventative measures - Only those whose families have paid in should be able to benefit from publicly-funded health care; it’s not the International Health Service! - The benefits system must provide a proper safety net for the needy, not subsidised idleness for the lazy and greedy.... The Environment Mr A: This is our land! It made us and we shaped it! As nationalists we understand that there are deep and sacred bonds between all indigenous peoples and their native land – and we British are no exception. The latest DNA science proving beyond doubt that the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh are largely descended from hunters who returned here at the end of the last Ice Age. This gives us both special rights and duties to possess and preserve our Green and Pleasant Land. We agree with the huge and growing number of scientists who recognise that Man-Made Global Warming is an unfounded myth, propagated by carbon trading criminals, wind farm profiteers and politicians in their pockets. The money being wasted on the elite’s climate change scam should be used instead for genuinely useful environmental projects, such as upland re-afforestation with native species, sea defences and replacing the hideous 1960s concrete monstrosities that deface our towns and cities with human-scale architecture that reflects local tradition. While we are committed to enhancing the UK’s food security and achieving the maximum possible self-sufficiency, we are deeply suspicious of chemical-based agribusiness and regard the degradation of soil structure and the natural fertility of our farmland as a crisis that must be urgently addressed. Our mission is to make Britain a healthier place for our children, for our wildlife and for future generations. Nationalism is a philosophy that rejects short-term materialism in favour of a long-term approach that simultaneously values and respects the past and looks to and protects the future . - No more inefficient eyesore wind farms or dangerous fracking wells - Stop Frankenfoods. Protect our environment by banning GM crops - Save the Greenbelt by banning greenfield site house building except small scale developments for genuine local need - Save Our Seas! Restore Britain’s 200-mile fishing limit. Sustainable fisheries for British fishermen! - Encourage organic farming and family farms rather than agribusiness - Keep out low quality, cruelty food from countries that do not enforce the strict animal welfare rules obeyed by British farmers, No non Stunned Slaughter....Democra cy On Democracy Mr A: Once the Mother of Parliaments and a byword for honest, efficient government, British democracy now needs saving from a swamp of sleaze, corruption and incompetence. There is a growing crisis of democratic legitimacy caused by disillusioned voters refusing to take part in elections, the privatisation transfer of power and assets from democratic institutions to big business and the way in which a handful of media moguls channel and twist public discourse to favour themselves and allied vested interests. The entire political process was customised by the Blair regime to benefit the Labour Party, while the whole political elite has engaged in the worst gerrymandering exercise in history by replacing ‘unreliable’ British voters by client immigrant groups who owe their very presence here to the politicians who fall over themselves for their votes. The British National Party will restore genuine democracy by breaking the monopoly power of the corporate media and the institutionally anti-British BBC to set the confines of ‘respectable’ debate and to set the electoral agenda. We will return to democratically elected local government and to local communities the powers usurped by the EU, Westminster, Whitehall and by big business. Believing that government should be as close to the people as possible, and in keeping with our reverence for tradition, we would restore the ancient pre-1974 counties and devolve as much power as possible from higher levels of government to County Council level. - Root out corruption by jailing politicians who take bribes and confiscate the assets of businesses caught trying to buy favours - Ban politicians from ever taking jobs or benefits from big businesses that have benefitted in any way from decisions and votes made by them while in office - Abolish postal voting for all except the very ill, the elderly and people working away - Democratise the crony-packed House of Lords with PR elections - Break up media monopolies - Create an English Parliament to restore the constitutional balance upset by Labour’s devolution fiasco.....

That is a well thought out and reaserched post, which deserves an equal reaponse, I am currently on my lunch break from work, when I get time I will reply appropriatley.

[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Tories - Reponsible for drop in my living standards, upper class twits never done days work in their lives. Labour - watered down Tories, forgotten their roots and who they are supposed to represent Lib Dem - a joke Plaid - Nut cases UKIP - bigger nutcases All will fiddle expenses allowances taxes etc There is no one worth voting for[/p][/quote]Here are Mr A: a party even you would vote for, I hope you read this as it took me hours: The British economy needs urgently to be rebalanced. For decades, banks and City institutions have been allowed by their political puppets to grow fat at all our expense, while productive hard industries that produce real wealth have been starved of investment and vision and been closed down or shipped abroad. Worst of all, the power to create the credit that the real economy needs has been usurped by private banks. This was denied for many years, but the advent of Quantitive Easing has led to the admission that QE involves the Bank of England simply creating money out of thin air, then giving it virtually for free to financial institutions which then lend it to the rest of us at usurious interest rates. It’s the biggest scam in human history, and we’ll stop it for good! The BNP would strip private banks of their stolen power to create credit. Instead, the nation’s money supply would be regulated by a Ministry of Finance team of independent experts who would assess how much fresh credit is needed each year and allocate that amount for government spending on job- and wealth-creating capital investment such as new power plants and land reclamation schemes. The Ministry of Finance should also fund steady and generous investment in pure and applied science and Research & Development projects at British universities. This would end the long-term scandal whereby British scientists discover and invent things, only to see their wealth-making applications developed abroad by our competitors. This carefully targeted interest-free spending boost would lead to a massive improvement in our national infrastructure which would in turn help to rebuild the UK’s broken hard industrial base. - Restore the power to issue the nation’s credit to properly regulated national authority - The private corporation that is the Bank of England must be taken into full public ownership - Turn the banks into the servants, not the masters, of the productive economy and the nation - Develop British inventions for commercial exploitation by home-grown industry - Rebuild our manufacturing base and cut the short-termist influence of the City of London’s financial markets - Work with other like-minded nations to break forever the undemocratic power of international finance... Health and Benefits Mr A: The creation of the National Health Service and benefits system was one of the great humanitarian achievements of our time. Freeing millions from fear of sickness and poverty, it is the living embodiment of the nationalist view of the Nation as an extended family, whose members have a duty to help members of the family who, through no fault of their own, are in need. Unfortunately, the NHS is now under relentless attack from an unholy alliance of greedy corporations cherry-picking the opportunities to turn public service into private profit, and Frankfurt School Marxists who want to destroy much-loved national institutions in order to undermine the ‘false consciousness’ of working class patriotism that stands in the way of their plans for World Revolution. The BNP stands for the restoration of a properly-funded National Health Service and benefits system for everyone whose families have paid in to the system or who are both British citizens and genuinely unable to contribute or work through no fault of their own. Those who would sponge on the majority need a reality check and an unavoidable appointment with Dr. Work! Cut bureaucracy, not nurses’ jobs and hospitals. Leave GPs to see patients, not manage budget sheets. There is a growing challenge of deciding how far to take ever more expensive ways to treat the terminally ill. There is a point at which medical technology outstrips both the reasonable ability of society as a whole to pay for it and compassionate common sense. It is not for politicians to play God, so we would encourage an extended and inclusive national debate, followed by popular referenda to set overall policy objectives. - Stop and reverse the privatisation of the NHS. It’s about health, not wealth - Put hospitals under the control of senior nursing staff, not bureaucrats - Boost the pay of skilled nurses and peg the excessive earnings of many doctors - Invest heavily in improving public health and other preventative measures - Only those whose families have paid in should be able to benefit from publicly-funded health care; it’s not the International Health Service! - The benefits system must provide a proper safety net for the needy, not subsidised idleness for the lazy and greedy.... The Environment Mr A: This is our land! It made us and we shaped it! As nationalists we understand that there are deep and sacred bonds between all indigenous peoples and their native land – and we British are no exception. The latest DNA science proving beyond doubt that the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh are largely descended from hunters who returned here at the end of the last Ice Age. This gives us both special rights and duties to possess and preserve our Green and Pleasant Land. We agree with the huge and growing number of scientists who recognise that Man-Made Global Warming is an unfounded myth, propagated by carbon trading criminals, wind farm profiteers and politicians in their pockets. The money being wasted on the elite’s climate change scam should be used instead for genuinely useful environmental projects, such as upland re-afforestation with native species, sea defences and replacing the hideous 1960s concrete monstrosities that deface our towns and cities with human-scale architecture that reflects local tradition. While we are committed to enhancing the UK’s food security and achieving the maximum possible self-sufficiency, we are deeply suspicious of chemical-based agribusiness and regard the degradation of soil structure and the natural fertility of our farmland as a crisis that must be urgently addressed. Our mission is to make Britain a healthier place for our children, for our wildlife and for future generations. Nationalism is a philosophy that rejects short-term materialism in favour of a long-term approach that simultaneously values and respects the past and looks to and protects the future . - No more inefficient eyesore wind farms or dangerous fracking wells - Stop Frankenfoods. Protect our environment by banning GM crops - Save the Greenbelt by banning greenfield site house building except small scale developments for genuine local need - Save Our Seas! Restore Britain’s 200-mile fishing limit. Sustainable fisheries for British fishermen! - Encourage organic farming and family farms rather than agribusiness - Keep out low quality, cruelty food from countries that do not enforce the strict animal welfare rules obeyed by British farmers, No non Stunned Slaughter....Democra cy On Democracy Mr A: Once the Mother of Parliaments and a byword for honest, efficient government, British democracy now needs saving from a swamp of sleaze, corruption and incompetence. There is a growing crisis of democratic legitimacy caused by disillusioned voters refusing to take part in elections, the privatisation transfer of power and assets from democratic institutions to big business and the way in which a handful of media moguls channel and twist public discourse to favour themselves and allied vested interests. The entire political process was customised by the Blair regime to benefit the Labour Party, while the whole political elite has engaged in the worst gerrymandering exercise in history by replacing ‘unreliable’ British voters by client immigrant groups who owe their very presence here to the politicians who fall over themselves for their votes. The British National Party will restore genuine democracy by breaking the monopoly power of the corporate media and the institutionally anti-British BBC to set the confines of ‘respectable’ debate and to set the electoral agenda. We will return to democratically elected local government and to local communities the powers usurped by the EU, Westminster, Whitehall and by big business. Believing that government should be as close to the people as possible, and in keeping with our reverence for tradition, we would restore the ancient pre-1974 counties and devolve as much power as possible from higher levels of government to County Council level. - Root out corruption by jailing politicians who take bribes and confiscate the assets of businesses caught trying to buy favours - Ban politicians from ever taking jobs or benefits from big businesses that have benefitted in any way from decisions and votes made by them while in office - Abolish postal voting for all except the very ill, the elderly and people working away - Democratise the crony-packed House of Lords with PR elections - Break up media monopolies - Create an English Parliament to restore the constitutional balance upset by Labour’s devolution fiasco.....[/p][/quote]That is a well thought out and reaserched post, which deserves an equal reaponse, I am currently on my lunch break from work, when I get time I will reply appropriatley.Mr Angry

Mr Angry wrote: There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people ' I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote !

Then you have no right to comment and deserve all you get.Like the trade union member who does not attend his branch meeting he has no right to condemn the decisions taken .

If you read my posts not voting is not a choice I take likely.
In my view none of the political parties - mainstream or extreme left or right have people capable of running this Country properly, Party Politics I find tedious, with too many distortions, half truths misleading stats and misinformation.

There are people out there who could and would run Wales and the UK well from all Political backgrounds, but for various reasons choose not to go into Politics , but business instead. Why wont the people we need in Politics come forward and serve the Country ? That is the question that needs to be addressed. If the right people stood for election then people like me would vote.

[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: There's not a mainstream party out there prepared to stand up for working people in this Country, and before anyone says UKIP do, what little protection people do have is down to European legislation, and UKIP would end that. Old Far right Rage himself wants a ' fire at will' policy. as he once said he wants an end to Euro red Tape and his words ' Make it easy to hire and fire people ' I along with 70% of the population will not be voting on May 22, lets try for 80% - Dont Vote ![/p][/quote]Then you have no right to comment and deserve all you get.Like the trade union member who does not attend his branch meeting he has no right to condemn the decisions taken .[/p][/quote]If you read my posts not voting is not a choice I take likely.
In my view none of the political parties - mainstream or extreme left or right have people capable of running this Country properly, Party Politics I find tedious, with too many distortions, half truths misleading stats and misinformation.
There are people out there who could and would run Wales and the UK well from all Political backgrounds, but for various reasons choose not to go into Politics , but business instead. Why wont the people we need in Politics come forward and serve the Country ? That is the question that needs to be addressed. If the right people stood for election then people like me would vote.Mr Angry

Mr Angry wrote:
Tories - Reponsible for drop in my living standards, upper class twits never done days work in their lives.
Labour - watered down Tories, forgotten their roots and who they are supposed to represent
Lib Dem - a joke
Plaid - Nut cases
UKIP - bigger nutcases

All will fiddle expenses allowances taxes etc

There is no one worth voting for

Here are Mr A: a party even you would vote for, I hope you read this as it took me hours:

The British economy needs urgently to be rebalanced. For decades, banks and City institutions have been allowed by their political puppets to grow fat at all our expense, while productive hard industries that produce real wealth have been starved of investment and vision and been closed down or shipped abroad.

Worst of all, the power to create the credit that the real economy needs has been usurped by private banks. This was denied for many years, but the advent of Quantitive Easing has led to the admission that QE involves the Bank of England simply creating money out of thin air, then giving it virtually for free to financial institutions which then lend it to the rest of us at usurious interest rates. It’s the biggest scam in human history, and we’ll stop it for good!

The BNP would strip private banks of their stolen power to create credit. Instead, the nation’s money supply would be regulated by a Ministry of Finance team of independent experts who would assess how much fresh credit is needed each year and allocate that amount for government spending on job- and wealth-creating capital investment such as new power plants and land reclamation schemes.

The Ministry of Finance should also fund steady and generous investment in pure and applied science and Research &amp; Development projects at British universities. This would end the long-term scandal whereby British scientists discover and invent things, only to see their wealth-making applications developed abroad by our competitors.

This carefully targeted interest-free spending boost would lead to a massive improvement in our national infrastructure which would in turn help to rebuild the UK’s broken hard industrial base.

- Restore the power to issue the nation’s credit to properly regulated national authority
- The private corporation that is the Bank of England must be taken into full public ownership
- Turn the banks into the servants, not the masters, of the productive economy and the nation
- Develop British inventions for commercial exploitation by home-grown industry
- Rebuild our manufacturing base and cut the short-termist influence of the City of London’s financial markets
- Work with other like-minded nations to break forever the undemocratic power of international finance...

Health and Benefits Mr A:

The creation of the National Health Service and benefits system was one of the great humanitarian achievements of our time. Freeing millions from fear of sickness and poverty, it is the living embodiment of the nationalist view of the Nation as an extended family, whose members have a duty to help members of the family who, through no fault of their own, are in need.

Unfortunately, the NHS is now under relentless attack from an unholy alliance of greedy corporations cherry-picking the opportunities to turn public service into private profit, and Frankfurt School Marxists who want to destroy much-loved national institutions in order to undermine the ‘false consciousness’ of working class patriotism that stands in the way of their plans for World Revolution.

The BNP stands for the restoration of a properly-funded National Health Service and benefits system for everyone whose families have paid in to the system or who are both British citizens and genuinely unable to contribute or work through no fault of their own. Those who would sponge on the majority need a reality check and an unavoidable appointment with Dr. Work!

Cut bureaucracy, not nurses’ jobs and hospitals. Leave GPs to see patients, not manage budget sheets.

There is a growing challenge of deciding how far to take ever more expensive ways to treat the terminally ill. There is a point at which medical technology outstrips both the reasonable ability of society as a whole to pay for it and compassionate common sense. It is not for politicians to play God, so we would encourage an extended and inclusive national debate, followed by popular referenda to set overall policy objectives.

- Stop and reverse the privatisation of the NHS. It’s about health, not wealth
- Put hospitals under the control of senior nursing staff, not bureaucrats
- Boost the pay of skilled nurses and peg the excessive earnings of many doctors
- Invest heavily in improving public health and other preventative measures
- Only those whose families have paid in should be able to benefit from publicly-funded health care; it’s not the International Health Service!
- The benefits system must provide a proper safety net for the needy, not subsidised idleness for the lazy and greedy....

The Environment Mr A:

This is our land! It made us and we shaped it! As nationalists we understand that there are deep and sacred bonds between all indigenous peoples and their native land – and we British are no exception.

The latest DNA science proving beyond doubt that the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh are largely descended from hunters who returned here at the end of the last Ice Age. This gives us both special rights and duties to possess and preserve our Green and Pleasant Land.

We agree with the huge and growing number of scientists who recognise that Man-Made Global Warming is an unfounded myth, propagated by carbon trading criminals, wind farm profiteers and politicians in their pockets.

The money being wasted on the elite’s climate change scam should be used instead for genuinely useful environmental projects, such as upland re-afforestation with native species, sea defences and replacing the hideous 1960s concrete monstrosities that deface our towns and cities with human-scale architecture that reflects local tradition.

While we are committed to enhancing the UK’s food security and achieving the maximum possible self-sufficiency, we are deeply suspicious of chemical-based agribusiness and regard the degradation of soil structure and the natural fertility of our farmland as a crisis that must be urgently addressed.

Our mission is to make Britain a healthier place for our children, for our wildlife and for future generations. Nationalism is a philosophy that rejects short-term materialism in favour of a long-term approach that simultaneously values and respects the past and looks to and protects the future .

- No more inefficient eyesore wind farms or dangerous fracking wells
- Stop Frankenfoods. Protect our environment by banning GM crops
- Save the Greenbelt by banning greenfield site house building except small scale developments for genuine local need
- Save Our Seas! Restore Britain’s 200-mile fishing limit. Sustainable fisheries for British fishermen!
- Encourage organic farming and family farms rather than agribusiness
- Keep out low quality, cruelty food from countries that do not enforce the strict animal welfare rules obeyed by British farmers, No non Stunned Slaughter....Democra

cy

On Democracy Mr A:
Once the Mother of Parliaments and a byword for honest, efficient government, British democracy now needs saving from a swamp of sleaze, corruption and incompetence.

There is a growing crisis of democratic legitimacy caused by disillusioned voters refusing to take part in elections, the privatisation transfer of power and assets from democratic institutions to big business and the way in which a handful of media moguls channel and twist public discourse to favour themselves and allied vested interests.

The entire political process was customised by the Blair regime to benefit the Labour Party, while the whole political elite has engaged in the worst gerrymandering exercise in history by replacing ‘unreliable’ British voters by client immigrant groups who owe their very presence here to the politicians who fall over themselves for their votes.

The British National Party will restore genuine democracy by breaking the monopoly power of the corporate media and the institutionally anti-British BBC to set the confines of ‘respectable’ debate and to set the electoral agenda.

We will return to democratically elected local government and to local communities the powers usurped by the EU, Westminster, Whitehall and by big business.

Believing that government should be as close to the people as possible, and in keeping with our reverence for tradition, we would restore the ancient pre-1974 counties and devolve as much power as possible from higher levels of government to County Council level.

- Root out corruption by jailing politicians who take bribes and confiscate the assets of businesses caught trying to buy favours
- Ban politicians from ever taking jobs or benefits from big businesses that have benefitted in any way from decisions and votes made by them while in office
- Abolish postal voting for all except the very ill, the elderly and people working away
- Democratise the crony-packed House of Lords with PR elections
- Break up media monopolies
- Create an English Parliament to restore the constitutional balance upset by Labour’s devolution fiasco.....

Very well researched and put, I have no doubt that you are sincere in your views and believe they will improve the country. However its Party Political, and I'm sorry but I find Party Politics ridiculous in the extreme.

Now lets discuss this properly without name calling etc. in a civilised manner.

I have been just as guilty as anyone on this point , but I think the abuse of politicans on a party basis is offensive ,I'm sure that that could well be a reason that people with the talents we need choose to avoid Politics as a career.99% of Politicans of all parties are sincere people with good intentions, that includes Cameron, Milliband , Bob Bright and even Paul Flynn who was abused for sitting on a select commitee for god's sake, and Councillors who get stick for having a job which sometimes clashes with Council duties, and then people say they shouldn't be paid ! They cant win.

Party Politics is ruining the Country, and the Politicans despite their sincere belifs and honest intentions, get dragged down into . slagging each other off, and I'm sorry arent up to the job of running the Country.

We need highly trained well paid professional people to run this Country not the well meaning amaters we have now. But as long as the right people - who are out there - wont come forward we are getting things done on the cheap

[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote:
Tories - Reponsible for drop in my living standards, upper class twits never done days work in their lives.
Labour - watered down Tories, forgotten their roots and who they are supposed to represent
Lib Dem - a joke
Plaid - Nut cases
UKIP - bigger nutcases
All will fiddle expenses allowances taxes etc
There is no one worth voting for[/p][/quote]Here are Mr A: a party even you would vote for, I hope you read this as it took me hours:
The British economy needs urgently to be rebalanced. For decades, banks and City institutions have been allowed by their political puppets to grow fat at all our expense, while productive hard industries that produce real wealth have been starved of investment and vision and been closed down or shipped abroad.
Worst of all, the power to create the credit that the real economy needs has been usurped by private banks. This was denied for many years, but the advent of Quantitive Easing has led to the admission that QE involves the Bank of England simply creating money out of thin air, then giving it virtually for free to financial institutions which then lend it to the rest of us at usurious interest rates. It’s the biggest scam in human history, and we’ll stop it for good!
The BNP would strip private banks of their stolen power to create credit. Instead, the nation’s money supply would be regulated by a Ministry of Finance team of independent experts who would assess how much fresh credit is needed each year and allocate that amount for government spending on job- and wealth-creating capital investment such as new power plants and land reclamation schemes.
The Ministry of Finance should also fund steady and generous investment in pure and applied science and Research & Development projects at British universities. This would end the long-term scandal whereby British scientists discover and invent things, only to see their wealth-making applications developed abroad by our competitors.
This carefully targeted interest-free spending boost would lead to a massive improvement in our national infrastructure which would in turn help to rebuild the UK’s broken hard industrial base.
- Restore the power to issue the nation’s credit to properly regulated national authority
- The private corporation that is the Bank of England must be taken into full public ownership
- Turn the banks into the servants, not the masters, of the productive economy and the nation
- Develop British inventions for commercial exploitation by home-grown industry
- Rebuild our manufacturing base and cut the short-termist influence of the City of London’s financial markets
- Work with other like-minded nations to break forever the undemocratic power of international finance...
Health and Benefits Mr A:
The creation of the National Health Service and benefits system was one of the great humanitarian achievements of our time. Freeing millions from fear of sickness and poverty, it is the living embodiment of the nationalist view of the Nation as an extended family, whose members have a duty to help members of the family who, through no fault of their own, are in need.
Unfortunately, the NHS is now under relentless attack from an unholy alliance of greedy corporations cherry-picking the opportunities to turn public service into private profit, and Frankfurt School Marxists who want to destroy much-loved national institutions in order to undermine the ‘false consciousness’ of working class patriotism that stands in the way of their plans for World Revolution.
The BNP stands for the restoration of a properly-funded National Health Service and benefits system for everyone whose families have paid in to the system or who are both British citizens and genuinely unable to contribute or work through no fault of their own. Those who would sponge on the majority need a reality check and an unavoidable appointment with Dr. Work!
Cut bureaucracy, not nurses’ jobs and hospitals. Leave GPs to see patients, not manage budget sheets.
There is a growing challenge of deciding how far to take ever more expensive ways to treat the terminally ill. There is a point at which medical technology outstrips both the reasonable ability of society as a whole to pay for it and compassionate common sense. It is not for politicians to play God, so we would encourage an extended and inclusive national debate, followed by popular referenda to set overall policy objectives.
- Stop and reverse the privatisation of the NHS. It’s about health, not wealth
- Put hospitals under the control of senior nursing staff, not bureaucrats
- Boost the pay of skilled nurses and peg the excessive earnings of many doctors
- Invest heavily in improving public health and other preventative measures
- Only those whose families have paid in should be able to benefit from publicly-funded health care; it’s not the International Health Service!
- The benefits system must provide a proper safety net for the needy, not subsidised idleness for the lazy and greedy....
The Environment Mr A:
This is our land! It made us and we shaped it! As nationalists we understand that there are deep and sacred bonds between all indigenous peoples and their native land – and we British are no exception.
The latest DNA science proving beyond doubt that the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh are largely descended from hunters who returned here at the end of the last Ice Age. This gives us both special rights and duties to possess and preserve our Green and Pleasant Land.
We agree with the huge and growing number of scientists who recognise that Man-Made Global Warming is an unfounded myth, propagated by carbon trading criminals, wind farm profiteers and politicians in their pockets.
The money being wasted on the elite’s climate change scam should be used instead for genuinely useful environmental projects, such as upland re-afforestation with native species, sea defences and replacing the hideous 1960s concrete monstrosities that deface our towns and cities with human-scale architecture that reflects local tradition.
While we are committed to enhancing the UK’s food security and achieving the maximum possible self-sufficiency, we are deeply suspicious of chemical-based agribusiness and regard the degradation of soil structure and the natural fertility of our farmland as a crisis that must be urgently addressed.
Our mission is to make Britain a healthier place for our children, for our wildlife and for future generations. Nationalism is a philosophy that rejects short-term materialism in favour of a long-term approach that simultaneously values and respects the past and looks to and protects the future .
- No more inefficient eyesore wind farms or dangerous fracking wells
- Stop Frankenfoods. Protect our environment by banning GM crops
- Save the Greenbelt by banning greenfield site house building except small scale developments for genuine local need
- Save Our Seas! Restore Britain’s 200-mile fishing limit. Sustainable fisheries for British fishermen!
- Encourage organic farming and family farms rather than agribusiness
- Keep out low quality, cruelty food from countries that do not enforce the strict animal welfare rules obeyed by British farmers, No non Stunned Slaughter....Democra
cy
On Democracy Mr A:
Once the Mother of Parliaments and a byword for honest, efficient government, British democracy now needs saving from a swamp of sleaze, corruption and incompetence.
There is a growing crisis of democratic legitimacy caused by disillusioned voters refusing to take part in elections, the privatisation transfer of power and assets from democratic institutions to big business and the way in which a handful of media moguls channel and twist public discourse to favour themselves and allied vested interests.
The entire political process was customised by the Blair regime to benefit the Labour Party, while the whole political elite has engaged in the worst gerrymandering exercise in history by replacing ‘unreliable’ British voters by client immigrant groups who owe their very presence here to the politicians who fall over themselves for their votes.
The British National Party will restore genuine democracy by breaking the monopoly power of the corporate media and the institutionally anti-British BBC to set the confines of ‘respectable’ debate and to set the electoral agenda.
We will return to democratically elected local government and to local communities the powers usurped by the EU, Westminster, Whitehall and by big business.
Believing that government should be as close to the people as possible, and in keeping with our reverence for tradition, we would restore the ancient pre-1974 counties and devolve as much power as possible from higher levels of government to County Council level.
- Root out corruption by jailing politicians who take bribes and confiscate the assets of businesses caught trying to buy favours
- Ban politicians from ever taking jobs or benefits from big businesses that have benefitted in any way from decisions and votes made by them while in office
- Abolish postal voting for all except the very ill, the elderly and people working away
- Democratise the crony-packed House of Lords with PR elections
- Break up media monopolies
- Create an English Parliament to restore the constitutional balance upset by Labour’s devolution fiasco.....[/p][/quote]Very well researched and put, I have no doubt that you are sincere in your views and believe they will improve the country. However its Party Political, and I'm sorry but I find Party Politics ridiculous in the extreme.
Now lets discuss this properly without name calling etc. in a civilised manner.
I have been just as guilty as anyone on this point , but I think the abuse of politicans on a party basis is offensive ,I'm sure that that could well be a reason that people with the talents we need choose to avoid Politics as a career.99% of Politicans of all parties are sincere people with good intentions, that includes Cameron, Milliband , Bob Bright and even Paul Flynn who was abused for sitting on a select commitee for god's sake, and Councillors who get stick for having a job which sometimes clashes with Council duties, and then people say they shouldn't be paid ! They cant win.
Party Politics is ruining the Country, and the Politicans despite their sincere belifs and honest intentions, get dragged down into . slagging each other off, and I'm sorry arent up to the job of running the Country.
We need highly trained well paid professional people to run this Country not the well meaning amaters we have now. But as long as the right people - who are out there - wont come forward we are getting things done on the cheapMr Angry

Im in the GMB Union I have recieved warning that UKIP are going to get rid of workers rights - holiday pay, redundancy and maternity pay, even holiday pay .

Any UKIP supporters care to comment on this ?

Im in the GMB Union I have recieved warning that UKIP are going to get rid of workers rights - holiday pay, redundancy and maternity pay, even holiday pay .
Any UKIP supporters care to comment on this ?Ringland Boy

As we increasingly eat into the labour vote you can expect to see shills and scare stories aplenty in the coming months.

None of the old, failed, parties have released their manifestos for the next general election and we are no different. Technically no party has any policies until they are presented in a manifesto. Into this policy vacuum labour is piling as much horse manure as it can lay.

UKIP are predominantly working class, far more so than labour, so the idea that we don't have the best interests of ourselves at heart is rather amusing...

Most of the worker's rights legislation emanated originally from the EU - hence because we want to leave the EU labour's line is that we want to leave in order to destroy workers rights.

If you see anything that isn't on the official website claiming that UKIP policy is this or that then take it with a pinch of salt. They are currently telling women's groups that one of our policies is to legalize rape within marriage would you believe? I wish I was making it up...

As you know the unions are affiliated to labour, you might want to question how your membership fee is being spent. Oh and wonder why any organisation would be so scared of us as to resort to such low standards...

ukipnewport.com

Ringland Boy,
As we increasingly eat into the labour vote you can expect to see shills and scare stories aplenty in the coming months.
None of the old, failed, parties have released their manifestos for the next general election and we are no different. Technically no party has any policies until they are presented in a manifesto. Into this policy vacuum labour is piling as much horse manure as it can lay.
UKIP are predominantly working class, far more so than labour, so the idea that we don't have the best interests of ourselves at heart is rather amusing...
http://blogs.telegra
ph.co.uk/news/ukipwa
tch/100256765/meet-u
kip-britains-most-wo
rking-class-party/
Most of the worker's rights legislation emanated originally from the EU - hence because we want to leave the EU labour's line is that we want to leave in order to destroy workers rights.
If you see anything that isn't on the official website claiming that UKIP policy is this or that then take it with a pinch of salt. They are currently telling women's groups that one of our policies is to legalize rape within marriage would you believe? I wish I was making it up...
As you know the unions are affiliated to labour, you might want to question how your membership fee is being spent. Oh and wonder why any organisation would be so scared of us as to resort to such low standards...
ukipnewport.comSpinflight

Spinflight wrote:
Ringland Boy, As we increasingly eat into the labour vote you can expect to see shills and scare stories aplenty in the coming months. None of the old, failed, parties have released their manifestos for the next general election and we are no different. Technically no party has any policies until they are presented in a manifesto. Into this policy vacuum labour is piling as much horse manure as it can lay. UKIP are predominantly working class, far more so than labour, so the idea that we don't have the best interests of ourselves at heart is rather amusing... http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/ukipwa tch/100256765/meet-u kip-britains-most-wo rking-class-party/ Most of the worker's rights legislation emanated originally from the EU - hence because we want to leave the EU labour's line is that we want to leave in order to destroy workers rights. If you see anything that isn't on the official website claiming that UKIP policy is this or that then take it with a pinch of salt. They are currently telling women's groups that one of our policies is to legalize rape within marriage would you believe? I wish I was making it up... As you know the unions are affiliated to labour, you might want to question how your membership fee is being spent. Oh and wonder why any organisation would be so scared of us as to resort to such low standards... ukipnewport.com

Shoud I believe a Union, or a statement from Political Party ?

Are the GMB telling lies then ? Yes or No ?

[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote:
Ringland Boy, As we increasingly eat into the labour vote you can expect to see shills and scare stories aplenty in the coming months. None of the old, failed, parties have released their manifestos for the next general election and we are no different. Technically no party has any policies until they are presented in a manifesto. Into this policy vacuum labour is piling as much horse manure as it can lay. UKIP are predominantly working class, far more so than labour, so the idea that we don't have the best interests of ourselves at heart is rather amusing... http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/ukipwa tch/100256765/meet-u kip-britains-most-wo rking-class-party/ Most of the worker's rights legislation emanated originally from the EU - hence because we want to leave the EU labour's line is that we want to leave in order to destroy workers rights. If you see anything that isn't on the official website claiming that UKIP policy is this or that then take it with a pinch of salt. They are currently telling women's groups that one of our policies is to legalize rape within marriage would you believe? I wish I was making it up... As you know the unions are affiliated to labour, you might want to question how your membership fee is being spent. Oh and wonder why any organisation would be so scared of us as to resort to such low standards... ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]Shoud I believe a Union, or a statement from Political Party ?
Are the GMB telling lies then ? Yes or No ?Ringland Boy

Is Farage using the 'N' word acceptable ? According to some he is a futre Prime Minister , is language like this in keeping with such a position ?

Yes or NO ?

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news
/article-2632201/Far
age-used-N-word-dism
iss-black-vote-New-r
ace-row-hits-Ukip-cl
aims-founder.html#co
mments
Is Farage using the 'N' word acceptable ? According to some he is a futre Prime Minister , is language like this in keeping with such a position ?
Yes or NO ?Ringland Boy

Spinflight wrote:
Ringland Boy, As we increasingly eat into the labour vote you can expect to see shills and scare stories aplenty in the coming months. None of the old, failed, parties have released their manifestos for the next general election and we are no different. Technically no party has any policies until they are presented in a manifesto. Into this policy vacuum labour is piling as much horse manure as it can lay. UKIP are predominantly working class, far more so than labour, so the idea that we don't have the best interests of ourselves at heart is rather amusing... http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/ukipwa tch/100256765/meet-u kip-britains-most-wo rking-class-party/ Most of the worker's rights legislation emanated originally from the EU - hence because we want to leave the EU labour's line is that we want to leave in order to destroy workers rights. If you see anything that isn't on the official website claiming that UKIP policy is this or that then take it with a pinch of salt. They are currently telling women's groups that one of our policies is to legalize rape within marriage would you believe? I wish I was making it up... As you know the unions are affiliated to labour, you might want to question how your membership fee is being spent. Oh and wonder why any organisation would be so scared of us as to resort to such low standards... ukipnewport.com

Shoud I believe a Union, or a statement from Political Party ?

Are the GMB telling lies then ? Yes or No ?

Believing a political party is fraught with difficulty eh? Didn't the last Labour government promise not to raise taxes? Yet they raised 140 on working people. As for believing a union well they do fund only one party so they aren't going to give any other group a fair hearing. My advice, make your own mind up but any party planning to shaft workers can't get elected or stay elected because too many people in Britain work. And vote.

[quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote:
Ringland Boy, As we increasingly eat into the labour vote you can expect to see shills and scare stories aplenty in the coming months. None of the old, failed, parties have released their manifestos for the next general election and we are no different. Technically no party has any policies until they are presented in a manifesto. Into this policy vacuum labour is piling as much horse manure as it can lay. UKIP are predominantly working class, far more so than labour, so the idea that we don't have the best interests of ourselves at heart is rather amusing... http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/ukipwa tch/100256765/meet-u kip-britains-most-wo rking-class-party/ Most of the worker's rights legislation emanated originally from the EU - hence because we want to leave the EU labour's line is that we want to leave in order to destroy workers rights. If you see anything that isn't on the official website claiming that UKIP policy is this or that then take it with a pinch of salt. They are currently telling women's groups that one of our policies is to legalize rape within marriage would you believe? I wish I was making it up... As you know the unions are affiliated to labour, you might want to question how your membership fee is being spent. Oh and wonder why any organisation would be so scared of us as to resort to such low standards... ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]Shoud I believe a Union, or a statement from Political Party ?
Are the GMB telling lies then ? Yes or No ?[/p][/quote]Believing a political party is fraught with difficulty eh? Didn't the last Labour government promise not to raise taxes? Yet they raised 140 on working people. As for believing a union well they do fund only one party so they aren't going to give any other group a fair hearing. My advice, make your own mind up but any party planning to shaft workers can't get elected or stay elected because too many people in Britain work. And vote.Llanmartinangel

Ringland Boy wrote:
I take it then you will be taking legal action.............. ..........But I doubt it You know when it comes to trusting my Union or a UKIP spokesman , I think I know who's telling lies.

Remember they are all out to get UKIP, - they never ever lie my friend

[quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote:
I take it then you will be taking legal action.............. ..........But I doubt it You know when it comes to trusting my Union or a UKIP spokesman , I think I know who's telling lies.[/p][/quote]Remember they are all out to get UKIP, - they never ever lie my friendBobEvams2014

Ringland Boy wrote:
I take it then you will be taking legal action..............

..........But I doubt it

You know when it comes to trusting my Union or a UKIP spokesman , I think I know who's telling lies.

Never believe anyone with a vested interest. I'm afraid that's both the Union and any political party. Look at evidence from ANY reliable source.

[quote][p][bold]Ringland Boy[/bold] wrote:
I take it then you will be taking legal action..............
..........But I doubt it
You know when it comes to trusting my Union or a UKIP spokesman , I think I know who's telling lies.[/p][/quote]Never believe anyone with a vested interest. I'm afraid that's both the Union and any political party. Look at evidence from ANY reliable source.Llanmartinangel

An Opinium poll for theDaily Mail put Ukip on course to win 31 per cent, ahead of Labour on 29 per cent, the Conservatives on 20 per cent and the Lib Dems tied with the Greens on a miserable 5 per cent. with these results they are all scared stiff, a lot LAB/LIB/CON/GREEN MEP's will not get re-elected into the European Union, !Yeepppeee!

Here we go again the Racists calling a non racist a racist, who in his right mind would want to live next door to a family of Romanian's, i've seen how they treat the house they live in and their neighbours anguish when the PC Brigade from the council would do nothing.

Diane Abbott: "White people love playing 'divide & rule' We should not play their game:

David Lammy MP who supported of all people RED KEN in the London Mayoral Elections who is a big fan of Islam.. David Lammy was commenting on a BBC Twitter message, which asked "will smoke be black or white?".Mr Lammy's, tweet from the BBC is "crass and unnecessary," and he wrote. "Do we really need silly innuendo about the race of the next Pope?"

He later apologised after Twitter users pointed out the role played by black and white smoke in announcing the election of a new Pope.

White smoke traditionally emerges from a Vatican chimney to signify a new pontiff has been chosen.

The appearance of black smoke above the Sistine Chapel means no decision has been reached, seems to me his mouth was working with out engaging his brain, another Liberal Eliteist who hate the British Native's Culture....Vote UKIP....

An Opinium poll for theDaily Mail put Ukip on course to win 31 per cent, ahead of Labour on 29 per cent, the Conservatives on 20 per cent and the Lib Dems tied with the Greens on a miserable 5 per cent. with these results they are all scared stiff, a lot LAB/LIB/CON/GREEN MEP's will not get re-elected into the European Union, !Yeepppeee!
In the DM:Two prominent Labour figures – Diane Abbott and David Lammy – went further, saying Mr Farage’s remarks were racist.
Here we go again the Racists calling a non racist a racist, who in his right mind would want to live next door to a family of Romanian's, i've seen how they treat the house they live in and their neighbours anguish when the PC Brigade from the council would do nothing.
Diane Abbott: "White people love playing 'divide & rule' We should not play their game:
David Lammy MP who supported of all people RED KEN in the London Mayoral Elections who is a big fan of Islam.. David Lammy was commenting on a BBC Twitter message, which asked "will smoke be black or white?".Mr Lammy's, tweet from the BBC is "crass and unnecessary," and he wrote. "Do we really need silly innuendo about the race of the next Pope?"
He later apologised after Twitter users pointed out the role played by black and white smoke in announcing the election of a new Pope.
White smoke traditionally emerges from a Vatican chimney to signify a new pontiff has been chosen.
The appearance of black smoke above the Sistine Chapel means no decision has been reached, seems to me his mouth was working with out engaging his brain, another Liberal Eliteist who hate the British Native's Culture....Vote UKIP....welshmen

A reported has indicated that average turnout in UK European Elections is 34%. Polls show UKIP polling at 31%.

Further studies show that approx 11% of eligable voters will support UKIP
and that 89% of eligable Voters will not support UKIP.

The report concludes that 89% of Voters not supporting UKIP cannot be considered a success

A reported has indicated that average turnout in UK European Elections is 34%. Polls show UKIP polling at 31%.
Further studies show that approx 11% of eligable voters will support UKIP
and that 89% of eligable Voters will not support UKIP.
The report concludes that 89% of Voters not supporting UKIP cannot be considered a successBobEvams2014

BobEvams2014 wrote:
A reported has indicated that average turnout in UK European Elections is 34%. Polls show UKIP polling at 31%.

Further studies show that approx 11% of eligable voters will support UKIP
and that 89% of eligable Voters will not support UKIP.

The report concludes that 89% of Voters not supporting UKIP cannot be considered a success

Even more dis not support Labour

[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote:
A reported has indicated that average turnout in UK European Elections is 34%. Polls show UKIP polling at 31%.
Further studies show that approx 11% of eligable voters will support UKIP
and that 89% of eligable Voters will not support UKIP.
The report concludes that 89% of Voters not supporting UKIP cannot be considered a success[/p][/quote]Even more dis not support LabourBobevans