I am going to have to agree with you Abdullah. The man has been quite deceptive and dishonest about the form of Christianity he has embraced, since he doesn’t want to lose financial support from Trinitarians, which is why he hasn’t been man enough to come out and say he is a modalist who thinks Trinitarianism is a false teaching. There’s something psychologically and emotionally wrong with this man.

To be honest Williams, he shouldn’t be considered a Christian since even you would agree that the Bible does not teach modalism, which is what he has embraced. Now if you don’t believe that the Bible teaches the Trinity then you surely can’t believe that it teaches that Jesus is the Father, and that the name of the three modes/manifestations of God happens to be Jesus!

And you are also aware that I went after him for that fact since he has been less than completely honest about his embracing modalism since he still wants Trinitarians to finance his endeavors.

It is Islam that lies about Jesus and is an anti-Christ religion; and came along 600 years later and is not even revelation from God at all. Just one man’s claims, dreams, unjust warfare, injustice, sex slave trafficking, Mafia style killing, oppression.

18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know.
21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? [Messiah, eternal Son of God; eternal Word – 1 John 1:1-4; John 1:1-5; 1:14, eternal Word who became a human.]

This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
25 This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.

26 These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you.
27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

1 John 2:18-27
with my emphasis in bolding and contextual comments to the author’s intended meaning

It is an axiomatic truth of biblical criticism. The Bible is a library of books written by different people who have diverse and occasionally contradictory beliefs about what Jesus taught; which is different from what Paul taught; and so forth.

It is an axiomatic truth of biblical criticism.
No, because liberal anti-supernatural criticism only started in late 1600s – to today.

called “biblical christianity” is a fundamentalist fantasy.

No, because first century through fifth century is arguably a lot in common with Evangelical faith. There are different kinds of “fundamentalists” – KJO (nutty), Independent Fundys (legalists, mostly nutty), Charismatics (a lot of goofy problems), Evangelicals who hold to inerrancy and doctrine of the Trinity.

Kenny go to bed you lunitic. Your potato religion is a jokr at best. Nothing but a bunch ‘books’ thrown together by mostly unknown potatoes. Filled with contradictions, lies and deliberate editing and you call this the word of God?
You book is filled with horny verses wich qualify as a prequel to fifthy shades of gray, killing of innocent men, women, children, babies and livestock, racist god, etc etc. The blessed prophet Muhammed (saw) was a true messenger of the Almighty. ALL his wars were just. Who the hell are you to even raise a finger against the prophet and talk about him making unjust war while your pornbook is written basically for psychopaths from killing innocent babies to livestock and then come out with the most idiotic bullshit excuses to try and justify them. Get this through your thick skull and you too ugly shamoun: keep your filthy mouths closed and your pornbook as well and don’t even think of insulting the prophet while your comicbook is a total joke at best.

It is Islam that lies about Jesus and is an anti-Christ religion; and came along 600 years later and is not even revelation from God at all. Just one man’s claims, dreams, unjust warfare, injustice, sex slave trafficking, Mafia style killing, oppression.

Muhammad’s wars were unjust (along with the Caliphs after him – all unjust) and he was a false prophet.

Kenny the Nutjob, listen to Atlas. He is right. Your religion is a pagan cult which believes in a violent god who demanded the blood of babies. That is enough to expose you and your god as demonic. With this in mind, no one would take anything you say about Islam seriously. You are a joke and so is your pagan religion. You are of the anti-Christ and you will join him in hell for your heresies if you do not repent.

As a Muslim, you cannot ignore the Injeel / the New Testament, which the Qur’an affirms that is guidance and light and came in between the Jewish Bible and the Qur’an.

“Let the Jewish Bible speak” – yes, in the first century AD – Many Jews let it speak and interpreted all those passages the way I am just reporting what the first century Jews taught – the disciples / apostles of Jesus and writers of the Injeel, the New Testament. The Qur’an even affirms that the disciples (the first century Jewish followers of Jesus) were true believers and full of integrity, and they are the ones who became manifest / obvious / victorious. (Surah 3:55; 61:14) (over the Jews who rejected Jesus as Messiah – another problem for Islam, since the Qur’an affirms that Jesus is the Messiah and is virgin born, did miracles, taught the gospel, etc.

So, for you to say today, about 2000 years later, “let the Jewish bible speak” and you mean let the interpretation of modern Jews and those who rejected the Messiah speak, is inconsistent with the Qur’an and Islam, and so you have made an argument against your own religion.

Letting the Jewish Bible speak – notice all the quotes and allusions from Psalm 110:1 (the most quoted verse and the most alluded to verse, in the NT / the Injeel)

“The LORD (Yahweh) says to My Lord (Adoni), sit at My hand, until I make all My enemies a footstool for My feet.”

Notice Jesus quoted this verse about Himself, and the Greek text uses kupios / κυριος (Lord, master, Sovereign) for both Yahweh and Adoni. So, the Jewish Bible speaks declaring that Jesus is God by nature, the Messiah, who is right now at the right hand of the Father interceding for believers. Shows He rose from the dead, which shows He really died on the cross, so it proves all the things that Muslims reject, as true, according to the Jewish Bible and the Injeel / NT.

Jesus the Messiah عیسی المسیح Himself said that He was the suffering servant of Isaiah 53, and that He was the long awaited Messiah, which the OT believers looked forward to. (Mark 10:45; Matthew 20:28; Isaiah 52:13-15; 53:1-12) The Jewish scholars at the time confessed that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, (Matthew 2:4-6, quoting Micah 5:2 – and the Jewish scholars at that time admitted this about “the Messiah” without using the word “Messiah” in the Hebrew text there in Micah 5:2) .

Jesus Himself was letting the Jewish Bible speak when He said, “Abraham rejoiced to see My day and was glad, and “Before Abraham was born, I am.” (John 8:56-58, Jesus letting the Jewish Bible speak from Genesis 15:1-6 and 12:1-3; 22:1-18; etc.)

Blah, blah, blah. Your NT is a hybrid book, written by anonymous heretics who all believed different things. So naturally they had to put things into the mouth of Jesus to try to win gullible Christians over to their heretical religion.

There is nothing in Isaiah that talks about a suffering messiah. FAIL yet again for Kenny the Nutjob.

47 If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
48 where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched. (quoting Isaiah 66:24, showing that the NT is in harmony with teaching of the Jewish Bible – letting the Jewish Bible speak in the first century.)

21 “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’
[quoting Torah, letting the Jewish Bible speak in first century – Jesus is quoting it and then giving the deeper meaning of the command about the internal heart / mind/ motives]

22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

[Jesus is letting the Jewish Bible speak as to its deeper meaning. ]

23 Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering. 25 Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

Jesus is letting the Jewish Bible speak deeper in the first century as to the truth that God sees the sinful heart – the motives, thoughts, fantasies, and roots of adultery – sexual lusts and desires.

Combining Mark 9:47-48 with Matthew 5:21-30 – Jesus is letting the Jewish Bible speak in the first century about sin, the heart, the thoughts and motives, legal guilt and hell.

Jesus said, “repent and believe the gospel” – Mark 1:15

background points to Zechariah 1:1-7 – Yahweh says – “repent, return to Me and I will return to you”

“December 21, 2018 • 4:56 pm
Letting the Jewish Bible speak – notice all the quotes and allusions from Psalm 110:1 (the most quoted verse and the most alluded to verse, in the NT / the Injeel)

“The LORD (Yahweh) says to My Lord (Adoni), sit at My hand, until I make all My enemies a footstool for My feet.”

Notice Jesus quoted this verse about Himself, and the Greek text uses kupios / κυριος (Lord, master, Sovereign) for both Yahweh and Adoni. So, the Jewish Bible speaks declaring that Jesus is God by nature, the Messiah, who is right now at the right hand of the Father interceding for believers. Shows He rose from the dead, which shows He really died on the cross, so it proves all the things that Muslims reject, as true, according to the Jewish Bible and the Injeel / NT.

Again, just because some anonymous heretic from the 1st century believed this nonsense, does not mean they were right. Psalm 110 also says NOTHING about a dying and rising Messiah, let alone that he was supposed to be divine.

It even says “until I MAKE all YOUR enemies your footstool”. Notice how Kenny the Nutjob tried to deliberately misquote the psalm. It does NOT say “MY enemies”, it says “YOUR enemies”. In other words, if this verse is messianic, then all it is saying is that God will deal with the enemies of the Messiah. Thus, the Messiah cannot be God because he needs God’s divine help to fight his enemies.

Ironically, this also completely destroys the notion of Kenny’s “suffering” Messiah because the psalm says that God will deal with the Messiah’s enemies and will defeat them. Either this is a false prophecy, since Jesus was allegedly crucified by his enemies, or it means that God’s divine help saved His Messiah.

But Trinitarian Monotheism is not idolatry, so therefore you are refuted.

You have no atonement, no mediator, no one to take your guilt and sin and God’s wrath’s for you. That is why you don’t have peace; that is why Islam can never give you peace, though you and Muslims are longing for true peace. Relying on your own self-righteousness can never bring you peace.
You are under the wrath of God.
John 3:36
Ephesians 2:1-3
Romans 5:1-11

You did not refute anything. I just try to wish you peace through the only message that can give peace. There is no peace in Islam.
Peace is only in Jesus Christ, the true Messiah.

“But Trinitarian Monotheism is not idolatry, so therefore you are refuted.”

Except that it is, so therefore you are refuted. Just because your threw the word “monotheism” in there does not change the FACT that you WORSHIP a MAN. That is IDOLATRY, even according to the Bible, as I pointed out elsewhere:

“You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below.”

“You have no atonement, no mediator, no one to take your guilt and sin and God’s wrath’s for you. That is why you don’t have peace; that is why Islam can never give you peace, though you and Muslims are longing for true peace. Relying on your own self-righteousness can never bring you peace.
You are under the wrath of God.
John 3:36
Ephesians 2:1-3
Romans 5:1-11”

Your delusions are your own, you nutjob. I have peace in Islam, because I am free of pagan nonsense like your mangod cult. So save your empty words for some other deluded soul such as yourself.

“You did not refute anything. I just try to wish you peace through the only message that can give peace. There is no peace in Islam.
Peace is only in Jesus Christ, the true Messiah.”

Yes, run away like a good brainwashed manworshipper. Your idolatry will doom you, as will your stubborn delusions. There can be no peace in a manworshipping cult. You might as well worship Zeus or Krishna.

Kenny, you are an idiot. Just accept it. The Trinity is idolatry because no matter what you believe about God, the fact still remains that you worship a man as God. That is idolatry. You are unable to refute this.

Also, there have been many variations of the trinity throughout history. All of them are pagan heresies and are guilty of idolatry.

Prove the Quran doesnt know about trinity. No one here cares about your forced reading into the quran when you take verses about people taking Mary and Jesus besides Allah as gods and giving this a spin and say the Quran says this is about the trinity when it doesnt say that ANYWHERE. This proves nothing and you know it.
The funny thing is that even your own book doesnt teach it. So why should the Quran mention it when even your own book can’t do it. Go to bed Kenny. You’ve had too many drinks with your holy spirit.

And your lord and savior jimmy failed and got owned in that debate. His lies about the Quran getting the trinity wrong is just another xtian deception. Show me the part where he proved the Quran got the trinity wrong. Again no one cares about ur wishful thinking of verses where it talks about mary and jesus taken as gods besides Allah anf ur spin on it. Doesnt mention the trinity anywhere. So your bald little jimmy FAILED. Poot Kenny.