i know we won yesterday but it was almost a loss due to sily play calling i know we want to see favre get the record but passing on 4th and 1 on the 1 yard line was a bit of a sily play call any views?

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just shows MM has zero confidence in his running game!

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OR, no respect for San Diego's secondary. either way, i thought we should have taken the FG

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I really wanted the Packers to run on that play. give the young guys a chance to gain some confidence.

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FG would have been my play..or at least a one back set and dump it off if needed..

Even when they were at 1st and goal from the 1, my instinct was the run it in, like they did later in the game.

I firmly believe that this was going for the 420 record at home. And that's a bad choice. We weren't running great, but we were generating at least one yard per carry.

The fourth and goal throw makes me believe that it was for the 420 TD record.

Regardless, I'm happy today and proud of the Packers.

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i heard MM on the radio today. i swear he said he has no confidence in the running game, and we have had some mistakes there. meaning the running game.

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Well I just read his transcripts from today and he didn't say anything close to this. Like, not even on the same planet.

He said that Brett will be disappointed when he sees the film and what he missed in the read on that play and that he was NOT SORRY at all for calling the play. ESPECIALLY when the defense was confused and in the scheme they were in.

He also went on to say he can't BELIEVE people make a big deal of this after all the success they had all day long spreading them out.

I don't know what radio broadcast your talking about but it doesn't sound like it was MM you were hearing. Not from what I read word for word from him.

Even when they were at 1st and goal from the 1, my instinct was the run it in, like they did later in the game.

I firmly believe that this was going for the 420 record at home. And that's a bad choice. We weren't running great, but we were generating at least one yard per carry.

The fourth and goal throw makes me believe that it was for the 420 TD record.

Regardless, I'm happy today and proud of the Packers.

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i heard MM on the radio today. i swear he said he has no confidence in the running game, and we have had some mistakes there. meaning the running game.

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Well I just read his transcripts from today and he didn't say anything close to this. Like, not even on the same planet.

He said that Brett will be disappointed when he sees the film and what he missed in the read on that play and that he was NOT SORRY at all for calling the play. ESPECIALLY when the defense was confused and in the scheme they were in.

He also went on to say he can't BELIEVE people make a big deal of this after all the success they had all day long spreading them out.

I don't know what radio broadcast your talking about but it doesn't sound like it was MM you were hearing. Not from what I read word for word from him.

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Mike McCarthy

"I would prefer to be a heavy run team, but that's just not the way we're built right now, and that's not the way that gives us the best chance to score a lot of points in my opinion," McCarthy said. "Now that's week to week. But there will be a time here where we'll pound the football."

"It's not that I don't believe in our players," McCarthy said. "I am getting more comfortable with our runners, as far as the different things we're asking them to do. You have to have a comfort when you call particular plays in certain situations, and there have been some growing pains there."

Even when they were at 1st and goal from the 1, my instinct was the run it in, like they did later in the game.

I firmly believe that this was going for the 420 record at home. And that's a bad choice. We weren't running great, but we were generating at least one yard per carry.

The fourth and goal throw makes me believe that it was for the 420 TD record.

Regardless, I'm happy today and proud of the Packers.

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i heard MM on the radio today. i swear he said he has no confidence in the running game, and we have had some mistakes there. meaning the running game.

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Well I just read his transcripts from today and he didn't say anything close to this. Like, not even on the same planet.

He said that Brett will be disappointed when he sees the film and what he missed in the read on that play and that he was NOT SORRY at all for calling the play. ESPECIALLY when the defense was confused and in the scheme they were in.

He also went on to say he can't BELIEVE people make a big deal of this after all the success they had all day long spreading them out.

I don't know what radio broadcast your talking about but it doesn't sound like it was MM you were hearing. Not from what I read word for word from him.

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mm said You have to have a comfort when you call particular plays in certain situations, and there have been some growing pains there.
so he (mm) passed b/c he had no confidence in the runing attack

the thing that bothered me was the empty backfield on that play. coaches need to be called out for making dumb moves, even in a win.

next time it is 4th and one on the goal line we might really need some points.

mccarthy will at least think twice about the empty backfield shot gun line up because of the result from the last game and the heat he took.

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This was my thinking, too. I mean, you can spread the defense with 4 receivers, but at least call a formation with a back in the backfield on 4th and less than a foot. That formation completely removed all doubt for the D; it's a pass or QB draw. Even a half-assed play fake can get a LB that 1/2 step out of position that you need to complete a pass (the way the pump moved the deep safety out of position so that Jennings could run right past him).

Anyway, I very very rarely question play calling; you have to understand that many play calls are trying to set something up for later, anticipating a certain D, trying to get you into 2nd and 4 to 6 for another play the coach wants to call, or trying to force favorable matchups. But no back in the backfield on 4th and less than one with the game on the line???

but the game plan was brilliant. i'm not trying to get nasty in this argument. I just think a FG was the smart move there. We played our asses off and it didn't matter, so it's really a moot point. I'm just saying, it was ballsy move! not for the faint of heart, and I'm obviously a bit faint of heart.

If we're lucky, on NFL Replay, they will cut to that bit of the MM press conference (about the 4th and 1 play) and then show the other receivers.

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You could see on the replays during the game that the receiver that was split wide left ran an in and was open right after the cut. Think it was Jennings but not sure. Problem is on 4th and goal with no back to pick up rushers, you can't take a sack, you can't throw it away. He saw the TE open for an instant and tried to make the throw. Can't blame him for a quick decision in that situation.

Hard to really know what to think. I was happy they went for it but with the running game we would of second guessed if they tried to run it, but I'd agree to at least put someone in the backfield to keep them guessing. Is it me though or did that whole thing seemed rushed. Maybe they didn't need a timeout but to me after 3rd down before I knew what was happening they had snapped it already. Maybe they wanted to catch them off guard but on a play that big I just thought they could of planned it a bit more

Even when they were at 1st and goal from the 1, my instinct was the run it in, like they did later in the game.

I firmly believe that this was going for the 420 record at home. And that's a bad choice. We weren't running great, but we were generating at least one yard per carry.

The fourth and goal throw makes me believe that it was for the 420 TD record.

Regardless, I'm happy today and proud of the Packers.

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i heard MM on the radio today. i swear he said he has no confidence in the running game, and we have had some mistakes there. meaning the running game.

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Well I just read his transcripts from today and he didn't say anything close to this. Like, not even on the same planet.

He said that Brett will be disappointed when he sees the film and what he missed in the read on that play and that he was NOT SORRY at all for calling the play. ESPECIALLY when the defense was confused and in the scheme they were in.

He also went on to say he can't BELIEVE people make a big deal of this after all the success they had all day long spreading them out.

I don't know what radio broadcast your talking about but it doesn't sound like it was MM you were hearing. Not from what I read word for word from him.

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mm said You have to have a comfort when you call particular plays in certain situations, and there have been some growing pains there.
so he (mm) passed b/c he had no confidence in the runing attack

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I see no where at all where he has said he has "no confidence" in the run game and it looks to me from every quoate I have seen that's putting words in his mouth

What he went on to say that is not quoted here is that the production in the run game is down because of the PLAY CALLER (himself) and that a lot of that is how the game plan ends up looking like.

I said in another thread that I could see why the Pack kept throwing. The Chargers refused to change out of the 3-4 and that gave our WR's a better chance to win the game than our RB's.

I think it's got a lot more with being smart than it does having any lack of confidence. Was he confident he could beat the 3-4 by running the ball? No. Like he said it's a "week by week" thing depending on who they play. That doesn't sound like a coach that has "no confidence" to me.

to me it really has nothing to do with lack of confidence in his running backs... but a supreme confidence in his defense to stop the bastards that deep.

we had it on the one. you either go for it and get 6... or you pin a struggling offense on the one yard line. deep deep in their own endzone. if you kick the feild goal, you get three points but you give up feild position.

Lets face it...........had Favre got a TD on that play, we would all be cheering the call. If MM would have called a run, and the RB was stopped short of the goal line, we all would be yelling "Why did he call a run? He KNOWS our run game has stunk so far this year!"
So he went with what was working so well at the time.

Lets face it...........had Favre got a TD on that play, we would all be cheering the call. If MM would have called a run, and the RB was stopped short of the goal line, we all would be yelling "Why did he call a run? He KNOWS our run game has stunk so far this year!"
So he went with what was working so well at the time.

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Great point. I just didn't like the shotgun. Have at least one back in behind the QB :wink:

Lets face it...........had Favre got a TD on that play, we would all be cheering the call. If MM would have called a run, and the RB was stopped short of the goal line, we all would be yelling "Why did he call a run? He KNOWS our run game has stunk so far this year!"
So he went with what was working so well at the time.

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Great point. I just didn't like the shotgun. Have at least one back in behind the QB :wink:

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Oh, don't get me wrong, i would have had a back in there. At least make them THINK you might run it.
I was just stating what would happen either way. But hey, we won, and thats what really matters!!! The big "W" at the end if the game!

He should of ran the ball IMO. I have no doubt there is a certain amount of doubt in MM's mind regarding the run game, whether he says it or not. To me I think MM has more faith in Brett, even with his occasional forced throws, then the rookies we have running the ball.

I too agree that the ball should have been run. It worked for the last TD of the game. And, BTW, Cheesey, as soon as I saw the empty backfield I was screaming rage about the bad decison. Win or not, it was not the right play, even if it works out. INT or INC = no points. A pick is a lot more plausible than a fumble.

And YES it's the little details that matter. Get these points and the game changes, better for us. I still think they were going for the record.