Your post history is available to anybody who wants to look at it. What proportion of civil discourse will I find there?

Interesting question Ucci. I certainly have no record of ever being banned for it, no record for even being issued a warning for it, in your forum or any of the others. That could in part be due to a rather lax tolerance for it in general. Anytime you'd like to issue me a warning, and you've had the capacity all along.

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Also an interesting question. Have you, as a moderator, ever issued a warning for incivility to anyone?

Here are the rules PavlovianModel146 issued for the forum prior to you.

"1. Show courtesy and respect for all who post here.

2. No direct insults to any ILP members are allowed.

3. No slander, belittlement, instigation to riot, trolling or baiting.

4. If you're going to insult anyone here indirectly, be good at it. Be clever, be subtle, be smart. Leave room for doubt in the mod's mind.

5. No posting of illegal material.

6. If you are going to use an outside article or source to make a case, please make sure it is at least informally cited."

And your Rule:

Rule #1: Don't ruin or derail interesting conversations.I'm pointing this out because it's something that I do a little differently than other moderators. I'm not going to ponder endlessly what counts as a personal attack, or what people meant by their implications, or who did what to whom three months ago to provoke some outburst today. But if people are having a Good Conversation, don't screw it up by going into personal attacks, goading diversions, non-sequitor/provocation image posting, or other internet-child antics. It's not that I won't issue bans or warnings for personal attacks, but if two people are going at each other viciously, I'm more likely to just kick the whole thread over to the Rant House where SGE people don't have to look at it. If, however insulting or otherwise crappy behavior derails the kind of discussion that I feel behooves this place to be here, that will be much more likely to provoke a warning or ban out of me.

You are the ringmaster, "SG&E people" are posting it almost constantly and you add to it in kind.

Does this post represent the sort of high caliber philosophical discussion you have in mind? I'd view it as spam. We may be in a discussion that I tried to turn it into a debate but you weren't interested and Carleas stated that's not how it works. Now we have a member active in your forum spreading it here. It is in your favor, so you are not likely to see it as spam, but, it sure looks like it.

I've 'spanked' members who have supported my position, if all it looks like is spam.

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That is no secret. But that is your response to the discussion at hand? That's how you make a case? What difference does it make? How is it a valid response and not just more spam?You get under my skin like crazy. It is really hard not to scratch. But like I've said, I've never been banned or warned for incivility, and it appears your "position" provides you insulation from that as possibility.

Mowk wrote:That is no secret. But that is your response to the discussion at hand? That's how you make a case?

Read your past four or five replies in this thread. What discussion is it that you imagine to be 'at hand'? I made a point, you declared the discussion over and spammed a bunch of retarded fucking nonsense about how emotionally cripped and idiotic you are. You may recall, this is exactly what I predicted you would do when I was explaining to you why a debate isn't happening between us. This is, in fact, what you always do when somebody you're discussing with makes a point.

So yes, that is my response to you because that sort of thing is what you deserve. Feel free to contribute in a meaningful way to any of the dozens of interesting conversations going on on this message board at this very moment, and prove how wrong I am about your function here.

Read your past four or five replies in this thread. What discussion is it that you imagine to be 'at hand'? I made a point, you declared the discussion over and spammed a bunch of retarded fucking nonsense about how emotionally cripped and idiotic you are. You may recall, this is exactly what I predicted you would do when I was explaining to you why a debate isn't happening between us. This is, in fact, what you always do when somebody you're discussing with makes a point.

So yes, that is my response to you because that sort of thing is what you deserve. Feel free to contribute in a meaningful way to any of the dozens of interesting conversations going on on this message board at this very moment, and prove how wrong I am about your function here.

Calm down. You seem to be letting your temper get the better of you. Just like before, you become so intolerable when you reply in such an uncivil manner. You've got the symptom nailed straight away, the cause on the other hand continues to elude you. But there you go. When you use that tone, example that ethos.

So yes, that is my response to you because that sort of thing is what you deserve.

Perhaps you could share a little more regarding what

sort of thing, I deserve

That might be insightful.

Feel free to contribute in a meaningful way

I am. You may disagree with what I consider meaningful but that would be an additional question to the one about how uncivil a moderator on this forum can be, not a replacement or distraction to that question.

and prove how wrong I am about your function here.

I am not a moderator, that is your function here. I didn't have a function here but I've been kicked around by you long enough.

My 'function' here is to get it to stop.

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Does this post represent the sort of high caliber philosophical discussion you have in mind? I'd view it as spam. We may be in a discussion that I tried to turn it into a debate but you weren't interested and Carleas stated that's not how it works. Now we have a member active in your forum spreading it here. It is in your favor, so you are not likely to see it as spam, but, it sure looks like it.

I've 'spanked' members who have supported my position, if all it looks like is spam.

You couldn't handle an actual philosophical debate with me. If Uccisore can beat you so easily you wouldn't make it with me. You're not even in the same league as me buddy. I do enjoy your liberal (Marxist) tears however, it's so delicious....

Civilization is a ship of fools headed to a one way destination of catastrophe and annihilation, its many captains populated by asshole-idiots that all agree it is unsinkable.

Mowk wrote:That is no secret. But that is your response to the discussion at hand? That's how you make a case?

Read your past four or five replies in this thread. What discussion is it that you imagine to be 'at hand'? I made a point, you declared the discussion over and spammed a bunch of retarded fucking nonsense about how emotionally cripped and idiotic you are. You may recall, this is exactly what I predicted you would do when I was explaining to you why a debate isn't happening between us. This is, in fact, what you always do when somebody you're discussing with makes a point.

So yes, that is my response to you because that sort of thing is what you deserve. Feel free to contribute in a meaningful way to any of the dozens of interesting conversations going on on this message board at this very moment, and prove how wrong I am about your function here.

A man that cannot or refuses to debate has already conceded to defeat.

Civilization is a ship of fools headed to a one way destination of catastrophe and annihilation, its many captains populated by asshole-idiots that all agree it is unsinkable.

Merlin, Who are you? And have you in any of your previous incarnations been banned? What sock puppet are you currently operating under?

You would like to disparage socialism and generalize it as Marxist? You can't take a shit without a hundred thousand people being involved. You don't take a drink from tap water without society and socialism being in play. You can't even take an honest look at yourself. Can you start a fire with only your knowledge to rely upon? Do you grow your own food? If this shit and a hand basket were to go up in smoke, you'd be up a creek without a paddle. Or tell me you are a master of self survival.

Shit, you didn't even give me a chance to clean the gun.

Who are you? Are you Merlin, Joker ???? Wtf fellow planeteer? Who are you?

Ucci stated my post history is available for all to see. What about your history? You wanna play games? Dictate the rules. I have no flipping idea how smart I am. You want to play a 'game'?

So here is my proposition. We have a discussion, a conversation, just you and me. I don't want to debate you. I want to learn from you if you've got anything I can learn from. You may ask any questions of me as long as I can ask any questions of you; I agree to answer them truthfully and honestly if you can agree to do the same.

Come on, Joker, shall we dance by the pale blue light of the moon? (sorry that was a bit melodramatic, but it bought me a smile just the same. I admit I can use all I can find.) And you seek to make fun of it? Let's you and I "dance", shall we?.

Question? Are you courageous enough to dance with an idiot? Like I said I don't know you. Let's dance.

Another question, given your view, are you courageous enough to dance with who you feel is an idiot.

Question being, are you a humanist enough that you would be seen dancing with someone you think is an idiot?

If you think you could best Ucci and you think Ucci bested me. You've got some thinking coming your way. Don't worry though, you think I am an idiot.

Can you dance? I'm not looking for someone to just stand there, posing.

Trump has been the president and CEO and ruler of his own autonomous country in the guise of a worldwide business empire. It was a step down for him to take the role of president of the US, a reduction of power and he has far more applicable experience for the position than Hilary. Try to deny these facts.

(Reality isn't so kind. Everything doesn't work out the way you want it to. That's why...) As long as you don’t get your hopes up, you can take anything... You feel less pain.

(Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us. Both sides blame one another. There's no good or bad side. Just two sides holding different views.)

What do you think? To tell you the truth... I worry too much about what others think of me. I hate that side of me... That's why I didn't want anyone to get to know me. I wanted to hide that side of myself. I hate it.

Well, yes. It can be countered, Random, by illusion of power motive in his case. He is under the rhetoric a Wisard, of the type found only if we follow the yellow brick road carefully. He is hidden, the taxes, his bancropties pointing to reliance on tagging his brand, suppositions of branding as opposed to owning the equity underneath, conflicting statement emissions fluctuating tweet by tweet, sleeping with presumptive bad fellows, centering rather then liquiditating his center, drawing power from ill informed constituency, grabbing vaginas and other ass-ets, calling reactionary revisionist tunes, the old school of memory laden but irretrievable top 40 thecure all of make America Great Again.

Let's face it, America had its heyday in the first half of the 20th century, where run away gross Capitalism went unchallenged , met its Communit ideological challenge and won-seeing that as proof of it's superiority.

But what really happened was the gains of the first half, as immense as they were, gradually eroded, and the idea of the dire Capitalism-Colonialism as the villifying power motive left after the diminution of the other two parts of the scepter-Fascism and Communism- left an ideological vacuum.

Now who best fill the enormous vacuum? Or rather What ideology?

That is the question, and Trump is only an emergency fill, rhetoric to end all rhetorics, based on a gross illusion only a Wizard can conjure.

It takes a Trump to make believe that this really is not the long way around, not the direct way to navigate into the heart of the cataclysmic darkness which is the NWO, all roads leading to ROME, the eternal city, where really it is conceivable that the sUoreme Pontiff, come push to shove, will remain as the only credible center.

The initial stage of this dissection between the new reich's Angela and the Donald, can already be seen in an obvious handwriting on the wall, where Angela declares that if the US isolationism looses some Asian Markets, well, EU certainly will not hesitate to take advantage of a missed opportunity, and take up the slack. She'd be a fool not to, after all, much is at stake here, so much, that it dwarves prior superpower affairs.

If this line of reasoning is carried to its limit, then it becomes obvious that the new ideology is based on a hope of required hopes, engendered and simulated in a post modern yet absurd hocus pocus.

every counter has another counter. For every attack, there is a counterattack, every counterattack, another counterattack and thus a counterattack until it becomes blurred movement of counter-counter-counter-counter-counter-counter, repetitively.

every bankruptcy of Trumps was a legitimate counter to to attempts to ruin and diminish his business.

I would wager that those three bankruptcies of his that he filed were before the laws were changed; before the changing of those laws, you could file for bankruptcy and not be out anything, preserve your fortunes. There are many illegitimate business tactics in the world and just because Trump made use of one to preserve his business empire; in fact used it three times; might only be a successful counter against tactics that were far more illegitimate and the fact further persists that since the loophole was accepted as legitimate before the law was changed by the fact that bankruptcy law was changed, it was thus considered a very legitimate move.

If by 'conflicting statement emissions fluctuating tweet by tweet,' you mean that Trump has given conflicting statements through social media that has made it hard for so many 'followers' to get a bead on his business plans or how he conducts himself, I would call that another legitimate tactic that again preserves his business and protects it from those that would tear it to pieces.

'Sleeping with presumptive bad fellows'. 'Presumptive' being the operative term. Is it not also common knowledge and practice to keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

If his true constituency is not ill-informed, but the ill-informed has greater power to give and yet are barbaric, twisted, performing bad business practice after bad business practice, is it bad business practice to leave them ill-informed, to draw their power from them and not just preserve his own business empire, but those of other legitimate businesses world-wide? That, too, is the mark of leadership.

Trump, for all his vagina grabbing and seizing of ass-ets, has still made it into the white house. I had marveled over peoples ability to focus more on the Monica Lewinski scandal of Bill Clinton's Presidency rather than his reducing the national debt close to getting it back in the green instead of the red, but I've since realized that that in itself, while a form of good money management, would have ruined America's ability to continued business with the rest of the world that hates our arrogant asses and loves the loaded gun to their heads at times because they love us all the same. Having an 'office pop' like Monica Lewinski has been considered politically sound since the days of Jack the Ripper back in the 1880's. In fact, it is one of my ongoing and yet to be disproven theories that Jack the Ripper himself was a political-killer-for-hire to cover up the affairs of politicians by killing their 'whores'. His disappearance from the London theme in 1888 coincided greatly with the emergence of American Politics in the world, a world he would not have been safe in even then as those who hired him in London would have wanted a tying up of loose ends. Which, greatly also coincided with the emergence of western culture in America and my belief that the cultured intellectual behind the namesake of Jack the Ripper departed as far west into America as he could; a feat that was followed up on nearly 2 centuries later by german immigrants fleeing with jewish sympathizers into the western culture of America with the bloodline of Hitler, which I have theorized to have been synonymous with the bloodline of Jesus Christ. However, the point that I'm making, is that too much has been the focus on sexual harassment that people have not been able to flirt at all without fear of legal reprisal; that our modern culture is starting to drain for romance being, now, almost synonymous with stalking and creeper-status and our 'American Family Values' of a man and woman and two children, a boy and a girl, is not as realistic as a vision as we'd like and has been needing an upgrade since before the nuclear wars began.

Trump and Hilary both knew they could say and do whatever the hell they wanted to in the running for presidency and that it wouldn't matter; which was great because they weren't in control of all of the shit that came out of their mouths, which coincides with emerging concepts of mass-consciousness and synchronicity and mass-media and it's viewing audiences and the energies that are circulating.

Both Hilary and Trump were caught in old arguments they didn't believe in again, a constantly shifting flux of energy and other thought processes and this, if you paid attention much at all to their presidential runs and their media representations, caused a very inconsistent theme in both platforms that can only be deemed as 'insane' by any sane viewer. And yet, both are still completely sane and sound of mental health.

Trump is far more than an emergency fill. I could give credible evidence to support this, citing his show 'The Apprentice', citing his parents, who have come from money and left him with money; citing Doonesbury comics that while comic and not to be taken fully seriously, do show trump to have been rubbing elbows with politics since the days of George Bush Sr., at the very least and probably before then as well.

I can guarantee that in any conversation or debate on the subject, I can prove Trump to be far more knowledgeable, far more of a better fit for the position and that it is, by all means, a step down in term of power and wealth around the world for him to be filling the presidential role he now fills for America.

(Reality isn't so kind. Everything doesn't work out the way you want it to. That's why...) As long as you don’t get your hopes up, you can take anything... You feel less pain.

(Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us. Both sides blame one another. There's no good or bad side. Just two sides holding different views.)

What do you think? To tell you the truth... I worry too much about what others think of me. I hate that side of me... That's why I didn't want anyone to get to know me. I wanted to hide that side of myself. I hate it.