Rocky Mountain Club B5

This topic has been beaten with a billy club... What I'd suggest is, don't worry about brand name. Search around for a used, already chipped, ECU that's compatible with your car. Any way you go, you'll be wondering why you didn't get a chip sooner...

The benefits are that you can swap out your ECU if you ever had to take it to the dealer, you'll save money buying used and you will have no down time...

I bought a chipped ECU on eBay for $280 shipped. That's a pretty good deal and I have a spare ECU to boot.

EDIT: SPS units used in conjunction with revo software is the only system that I know of that allows the user to tune the software, their may be others but none that I know of... and the step beyond that is stand alone engine management.

Kelly-- This is a cross post from VWvortex is it not? i remeber talking to you about it on the Vortex, Good to see that you found RMCB5, and i still hjope to meet you and check out that Honduh :lol: sometime.

Hopefully you realize that is a joke because your Honduh would smoke me

its ok, trust me in used to it.although i am not like most honda owners (ricers)here is a little about my motor:single cam honda, bottom end: SRP 9.0-1 pistons, ealge rods, polished crank. ACL bearings. all new oem seals and oil pump.top end: ARP head studs, stock head, portmatched intake and exhaust ports, y8 manifold (best flowong single cam intake manifold), all new oem seals and water pump/timing belt.turbo: greddy 19T kit, drag FMIC, turbo XS RFL bov, 2.5" DP to ApexI 2.5" exhaust. boost controller management: Uberdata. basically a free stand alone engine management software. short story behind uberdata, someone cracked the honda ecu code, so someone turned it into a standalone and charged ~$600.it was called HonData.. they chip your ecu and with the software they give you you can fully tune fuel/timing maps. so someone got HonData and crack thier code and posted it on the internet for free.this is what i use. its FREE user tunable ecu control.

anyway, i hope to have my car tuned again early jan, it WILL be running for this season. im hoping for ~300 whp in a ~2400lb including driver:)all this was done in my garage. here is another motor i helped build for a buddy, in his garagehttp://www.hondaracingcrew.com/Videos/Jeremy10040919.wmv

enough about my honda.i am looking for a quick DD.it seems like it doesnt matter what chip i go with, they all claim close to the same power.i want to find a chip that does more that turn the boost up and add fuel. i want a chip that is tuned, where timing is taken into consideration, part throttle maps are correct as well as wot maps.

i would like a chip that when i move to ohio (maybe next year) i will be able to adjust it for altitude there.

thanks for the link, i have been reading alot of it, it makes my head spin, all this new talk... vws are ALOT more complicated then hondas)

and i did ask about this on vortex, and i kinda got a response, but i wanted something from more people especally people that are local and understand altitude tuning.

thanks for everyones help, ill continue reading and tryin to figure out what chip is best for me.

it feels wierd to just accept a generic maps from "insert chip company here" and call it a day. all cars are different, altitude is different... and to top it all off none of them allow user tunability..i dont know how the vw community accepts this... (maybe i am spoiled in the "honda world"

oh well.thanks again for everyones help. i hope i didnt offend anyone here, that wasnt my intention. i wish it was as easy as hondas

if anyone has anymore info please post it up, im leaving my options open, as i learn more about the vw stuffthanks again, and sorry no cliff notes will be given

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I think people on this board have just about every kind of chip. I have yet to hear of anyone being unhappy with their chip, with the possible exception of APR. There have been some problems with them blowing up turbos quickly, although I don't really know if it's a freak, one-time thing or a known issue. Hell, I'm on my third turbo with MTM, which is supposed to be one of the most conservative/durable. Then again, I do have 140K miles and track the car. Also, the current turbo has only been in there a few months.

I wouldn't expect that to happen to you, the chances of that happening are very low, IMOP I would do any company but Nospeed(neuspeed), I think that thier chip is junk, especially if you are lookiong for a big difference. It is the cheapest chip out there for a reason.

Dont mean to offend anybody out there with Neuspeed, these are just my opinions

I work nights and sleep days so my hours are kinda wack, any time on the weekend im usually around.

OK here is my speech about revo, sorry it will probly be pretty long...

The only problem that I ran into was an airbag light tripped when they flashed the ecu witch they promptly removed with their vag com. So no real problems to speak of. I got it done at Dubs Along The Rockies last year (a local show here in the springs) by Avalon Motorsports, as far as I know they are the only Revo dealer in the state, so plan on a trip to Denver to get flashed. http://www.avalonmotorsports.com/

As far as support go's im not really sure, im sure that Zev over their at Avalon motorsports would take care of you if you ran into problems, but by getting Revo you can also look to them for support they have forums on their website, here is a link... http://pub219.ezboard.com/brevotechnik

Now then as far as tuning your software. Really you donít even need a dyno all you need is your Revo'd ecu an sps3 and a vag com. With the vag com you can see weather or not the ecu is pulling timeing and boost. When the ecu pulls timing and/or boost you should select a lower setting on your sps unit. Im sure that dyno tuning is the most effective method, but for tuning on the fly you cant really beat it. Iím sure that what I know about this is just a fraction of what you can do with the system.

Post up if you have any more questions hope this was the info you were looking for.

FWIW: I've heard about many cars blowing turbo's with Revo which is the reason I was shocked when so many people started touting REVO's graces.

In all honesty, I don't really think it matter's who makes your chip. You're pushing more boost through your turbo and that's it. All of them boast relatively identical gains and if it's different, your butt probably won't know it or unless you frequent Bandimere.

In my chip researching, I've talked to owners of every single chip out there and everyone's happy with their respective setup's. I'm going Neuspeed. I haven't heard anything bad from anyone who has it and it's going to be a little easier on my car than APR or GIAC and I can't flashload so REVO's out anyway.

Oh yeah, and did I mention it's stupid cheap? Yes, you get what you pay for in most cases but I've done my research and feel confident. Why spend an extra 3 Franklin's for 5 horses and a different brand? I know what I want out of my car anyway.

Chips go through their phases of what's hot and what's not. They prove themselves. And honestly, I've not heard anything super negative about any of 'em. Just quirks and differences here and there. :wink:

I have a '99 1.8T Passat with APR v3.0 software on one of my ECUs. The other ECU is stock. www.goapr.com

I've had the APR software since late 2000 and have never had any issue with it. The car is fairly well tweaked with lots of mods that enhance the chip. I see peak boost spikes of up to 18psi all the time and sometimes even 19psi on a good day! And I'm laying down good numbers to back it up. But I'm not looking to have the absolute highest output either. I need this car to get me to work when I need it to get me to work.

Reliable power is the phrase I like.

I believe the question of whether a given chip tuner is more or less likely to blow up your turbo is silly. They are all doing the same thing to the ECU. Some are more conservative with the tuning and some push it a little harder. But basically they are all doing the same thing. There is no magic happening here.

It is gernerally understood that APR and GIAC create the most HP and torque with thier products. But that doesn't directly corrolate to blown turbos.

I think for that answer you need to ask some serious questions of those that have blown turbos. What were they doing when it grenaded? How do they drive on a daily basis? And if they answer hounestly, I bet you'll find that the answer isn't which chip or tuner, but driving habits.

Sorry to be so brutal, and I hope I didn't piss anyone off, but the truth shall set you free!

I think for that answer you need to ask some serious questions of those that have blown turbos. What where they doing when it grenaded? How do they drive on a daily basis? And if they answer hounestly, I bet you'll find that the answer isn't which chip or tuner, but driving habits.

Sorry to be so brutal, and I hope I didn't piss anyone off, but the truth shall set you free!

I agree, there are many contributing factors to blown turbo's. I have a leak in the exhaust gaskit of my turbo and I do not think the software had anything to do with that. My car drives fine and there is no noticable loss of performance (although I am sure there is a little bit of loss, just not noticable).

Research is key, not just the chip, but the engine mods as a whole and the effects they will have in addition to software tuning.

I think for that answer you need to ask some serious questions of those that have blown turbos. What where they doing when it grenaded? How do they drive on a daily basis? And if they answer hounestly, I bet you'll find that the answer isn't which chip or tuner, but driving habits.

Sorry to be so brutal, and I hope I didn't piss anyone off, but the truth shall set you free!

I agree, there are many contributing factors to blown turbo's. I have a leak in the exhaust gaskit of my turbo and I do not think the software had anything to do with that. My car drives fine and there is no noticable loss of performance (although I am sure there is a little bit of loss, just not noticable).

Research is key, not just the chip, but the engine mods as a whole and the effects they will have in addition to software tuning.