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Twitter followers do not constitute membership. A twitter handle does not constitute attendance at games.

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I'm not saying that it does. Yes, Twitter followers do not constitute membership. No, a twitter handle does not constitute attendance. But its not that far fetched to assume that its likely. It seems like we only point out fallacious arguments when we disagree with them. Why is it a problem to infer that antifa members attend NYCFC games, but not a problem to infer that people in NYCSC are Nazi sympathizers?

I'm not saying that it does. Yes, Twitter followers do not constitute membership. No, a twitter handle does not constitute attendance. But its not that far fetched to assume that its likely. It seems like we only point out fallacious arguments when we disagree with them. Why is it a problem to infer that antifa members attend NYCFC games, but not a problem to infer that people in NYCSC are Nazi sympathizers?

Dude, just stop now because you don’t understand the value and importance of evidence versus innuendo & unsupported guessing.

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there's no evidence that all/majority of the people who are in NYCSC are Nazi sympathizers, its just something youre choosing to believe based on other dots youve connected. While im seeing how there are some differences as there are with basically any example. I still dont think its all that different.

there's no evidence that all/majority of the people who are in NYCSC are Nazi sympathizers, its just something youre choosing to believe based on other dots youve connected. While im seeing how there are some differences as there are with basically any example. I still dont think its all that different.

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You’re shifting the goal posts and putting words in my mouth because I’ve never written or conveyed anything you just summarized. I’m positive that nobody else on the forums has stated what you wrote.

As I’ve already written, you should do a full stop, because you’re now having a severe problem with the facts.

if you really want to get into a vocabulary difference i consider an enabler much worse than a sympathizer. but i digress.

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Round and round you go, always changing the focus of the discussion after being proven wrong.

Go back and read your statement and try to see how you incorrectly posited the stance people have against the NYCSC. Try to figure out the difference between the organization as an entity and the individual membership that comprises the organization. You’re conflating multiple ideas based upon your interpretation and incorrect reading comprehension. And as a result sling straw man arguments left and right while putting words in people’s mouths like you just did to me.

Round and round you go, always changing the focus of the discussion after being proven wrong.

Go back and read your statement and try to see how you incorrectly posited the stance people have against the NYCSC. Try to figure out the difference between the organization as an entity and the individual membership that comprises the organization. You’re conflating multiple ideas based upon your interpretation and incorrect reading comprehension. And as a result sling straw man arguments left and right while putting words in people’s mouths like you just did to me.

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i dont think i am. and correct me where im wrong here:

- I made a comment about how that NYCFC Antifa twitter handle existing as well as it having many followers can have ties to the likelyhood of their being ANTIFA in the stands is similar to the ties people (never named you) are making about how NYCSC supporters sypathize/enable (pick whichever one you want) Nazis.

- You replied to that comment and you disagreed with me about how the connections arent the same. because one has evidence and one doesnt.

- I explained why i think they are similar and spoke of how i think the same type of evidence is being used to speak poorly of members of NYCSC

- now im being accused of putting words in other peoples mouths but again i dont think ive done that at all.

Im also curious what point youre proving me wrong on if youre saying thats not what you were saying. Because you were literally replying to me when i compared ANTIFA in the stands based off twitter and NYCSC being sypathizers/enablers based off huffpost/tommy

- I made a comment about how that NYCFC Antifa twitter handle existing as well as it having many followers can have ties to the likelyhood of their being ANTIFA in the stands is similar to the ties people (never named you) are making about how NYCSC supporters sypathize/enable (pick whichever one you want) Nazis.

- You replied to that comment and you disagreed with me about how the connections arent the same. because one has evidence and one doesnt.

- I explained why i think they are similar and spoke of how i think the same type of evidence is being used to speak poorly of members of NYCSC

- now im being accused of putting words in other peoples mouths but again i dont think ive done that at all.

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You put words in my mouth. Unless you edited your post, you can go back and read where you attributed very specific ideas to me that I never have posted.

Evidence vs innuendo is not the same. It isn’t and there’s no way for you to argue that.

You’re also playing loose and fast with what people are saying about NYCSC. That slickness allows you to move the goal posts when proven wrong.

derek_villa also posted after you made your accusation, so you were wrong. Also, one can be an enabler without being a sympathizer, so it’s not a question of better/worse as you tried to make. Regardless of whether they share the views or not, NYCSC as an organization has given a platform to their Nazi members.

You put words in my mouth. Unless you edited your post, you can go back and read where you attributed very specific ideas to me that I never have posted.

Evidence vs innuendo is not the same. It isn’t and there’s no way for you to argue that.

You’re also playing loose and fast with what people are saying about NYCSC. That slickness allows you to move the goal posts when proven wrong.

derek_villa also posted after you made your accusation, so you were wrong. Also, one can be an enabler without being a sympathizer, so it’s not a question of better/worse as you tried to make. Regardless of whether they share the views or not, NYCSC as an organization has given a platform to their Nazi members.

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I'll start with the fact i havent edited any of my posts, aside from maybe some grammatical errors. Especially to make you look incorrect. but all my posts have been replied to and quoted so you can go back to those to get confirmation as i dont have the ability to edit other peoples posts, including your own.

Ive responded to your claim about evidence vs innuendo so i really dont want to do that agian. But i still think what youre claiming is "evidence" isnt much difference from my "evidence"

I dont think im playing loose and fast with what anyone is saying about NYSC its been talked about a lot here as well as other places and thats what i was responding to. Because it wasnt something you said doesnt mean its not something others have said or implied. But again if thats not the case im not sure why you felt the need to argue me on a point you werent trying to make.

Derek Villa saying what you and Joe said nobody was saying AFTER i made my argument just solidified my argument that in fact there ARE people who are saying/thinking that. Still not sure what youve PROVEN me wrong on or what goalposts im moving or where in fact im moving them to.

I'll start with the fact i havent edited any of my posts, aside from maybe some grammatical errors. Especially to make you look incorrect. but all my posts have been replied to and quoted so you can go back to those to get confirmation as i dont have the ability to edit other peoples posts, including your own.

Ive responded to your claim about evidence vs innuendo so i really dont want to do that agian. But i still think what youre claiming is "evidence" isnt much difference from my "evidence"

I dont think im playing loose and fast with what anyone is saying about NYSC its been talked about a lot here as well as other places and thats what i was responding to. Because it wasnt something you said doesnt mean its not something others have said or implied. But again if thats not the case im not sure why you felt the need to argue me on a point you werent trying to make.

Derek Villa saying what you and Joe said nobody was saying AFTER i made my argument just solidified my argument that in fact there ARE people who are saying/thinking that. Still not sure what youve PROVEN me wrong on or what goalposts im moving or where in fact im moving them to.

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Editing wasn’t the point except to say you can go back and read (unless edited) where you attributed words/ideas to me. I assume you went back because you’re not denying it.

There is real evidence in the form of pictures and police reports that Nazis are members of the NYCSC. Your “evidence” of Antifa is a twitter handle and it’s followers. One is real, one is a guess.

Playing loose and fast again. If others have said it, cite it, but you didn’t and you can’t as nobody has said so on the forums. and derek_villa didnt corroborate your argument, he torpedoed it since different words mean different things.

There is real evidence in the form of pictures and police reports that Nazis are members of the NYCSC.

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Is there though? Maybe just Irv (I'm not sure whether he's actually in NYCSC or not).

There's a ton of evidence in the form of pictures that there are people in NYCSC who have been in the same pictures as Irv. And I think people are taking that and forming the impression that NYCSC is rife with Nazis and Nazi sympathizers / enablers.

Is there though? Maybe just Irv (I'm not sure whether he's actually in NYCSC or not).

There's a ton of evidence in the form of pictures that there are people in NYCSC who have been in the same pictures as Irv. And I think people are taking that and forming the impression that NYCSC is rife with Nazis and Nazi sympathizers / enablers.

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The issues that i see is there are subgroups in NYCSC. Specifically Rac and Empire ultras which are the issue. Remove those elements and there is no issue with NYCSC...