Thanks, Zimmerman, because what everyone was really missing was aother 1000+ post thread of bigots, gun nuts and Fox News zealots trying desperately to find a way to claim that stalking, confronting and killing a teenager for the crime of, "walking around, unarmed, in public," is totally cool.

birdmanesq:I seems like either vast media incompetence or some sort of sprawling left-wing conspiracy that prevented an important fact like Martin being home and then "returning to the scene" to attack Zimmerman from coming to the attention of the public. That seems like something that w

PFAH! That is just a pesky "detail". THAT WHITE *mumble hispanic mumble* MAN KILLED A BABY!!!!!

VendorXeno:Thanks, Zimmerman, because what everyone was really missing was aother 1000+ post thread of bigots, gun nuts and Fox News zealots trying desperately to find a way to claim that stalking, confronting and killing a teenager for the crime of, "walking around, unarmed, in public," is totally cool.

To be fair, it does help bulk up ones ignore list so there is that. 700 posts on main? 300 and some in here :p

lordjupiter:s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: birdmanesq: freak7: birdmanesq: I find it interesting that you would simply make up something like that.

I find it interesting that you're commenting on a case you obviously know little about. Trayvon's female friend said that he was in his yard and then went back to where Zimmerman was. She also said that she believes that Trayvon threw the first punch.

So "arrived at home" actually means "in the yard of his home"?

It definitely means he went back to George, either way.

Give up.

Almost like he was trying to stand his ground.

You misspelled "commit assault". He succeeded at that.

If some strange guy is stalking you and following you to your house, are you standing your ground or just going out and randomly assaulting someone.

fredklein:He chose to let a "crazy stripper" live with him. He chose to go to a bar where "Mexican gangbangers" hang out. He wasn't forced into these things. "Victim"?? Perhaps. Like a man who staggers around blind drunk at 3 am on the 'wrong side of town' with hundred dollar bills hanging out his pockets is a "victim" when he gets mugged. Or a homeowner who used his flood insurance money to re-build in the same damn place is a "victim" when the floodplain *gasp* floods again.

Or like a woman who wears a skimpy dress is a "victim" if she's raped?

You make some decent points in your post, and it seem unlikely to me that banana's buddy is quite the saint he's made out to be, what with the company he seems to keep. But yes, if these incidents happened as described, he's most definitely a victim.

s2s2s2:lordjupiter: s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: birdmanesq: freak7: birdmanesq: I find it interesting that you would simply make up something like that.

I find it interesting that you're commenting on a case you obviously know little about. Trayvon's female friend said that he was in his yard and then went back to where Zimmerman was. She also said that she believes that Trayvon threw the first punch.

So "arrived at home" actually means "in the yard of his home"?

It definitely means he went back to George, either way.

Give up.

Almost like he was trying to stand his ground.

You misspelled "commit assault". He succeeded at that.

If some strange guy is stalking you and following you to your house, are you standing your ground or just going out and randomly assaulting someone.

VendorXeno:Thanks, Zimmerman, because what everyone was really missing was aother 1000+ post thread of bigots, gun nuts and Fox News zealots trying desperately to find a way to claim that stalking, confronting and killing a teenager for the crime of, "walking around, unarmed, in public," is totally cool.

lordjupiter:Only if you classify the truth as a riduculous misrepresentation. Which fits the profile of bias and distorted perceptions perfectly. Thank you for proving my point.

Hold on; do you mean to tell me that you actually think that there is no way a thinking, rational adult can support Zimmerman's acquittal unless they're racist? Because that is most definitely what you're saying; I'm just trying to figure out if you're being disingenuous or if you are actually that blind.

Millennium:lordjupiter: Only if you classify the truth as a riduculous misrepresentation. Which fits the profile of bias and distorted perceptions perfectly. Thank you for proving my point.

Hold on; do you mean to tell me that you actually think that there is no way a thinking, rational adult can support Zimmerman's acquittal unless they're racist? Because that is most definitely what you're saying; I'm just trying to figure out if you're being disingenuous or if you are actually that blind.

lordjupiter:s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: birdmanesq: freak7: birdmanesq: I find it interesting that you would simply make up something like that.

I find it interesting that you're commenting on a case you obviously know little about. Trayvon's female friend said that he was in his yard and then went back to where Zimmerman was. She also said that she believes that Trayvon threw the first punch.

So "arrived at home" actually means "in the yard of his home"?

It definitely means he went back to George, either way.

Give up.

Almost like he was trying to stand his ground.

You misspelled "commit assault". He succeeded at that.

If some strange guy is stalking you and following you to your house, are you standing your ground or just going out and randomly assaulting someone.

You have it backwards.

ZOMG! He was talking right at me!

Sorry, if you DO retreat, then go back, it's assault.

Not really, but you keep believing what makes you feel better.

Yeah. Facts work for me. Shellie(noted perjurer) has already recanted.

lordjupiter:Millennium: lordjupiter: Only if you classify the truth as a riduculous misrepresentation. Which fits the profile of bias and distorted perceptions perfectly. Thank you for proving my point.

Hold on; do you mean to tell me that you actually think that there is no way a thinking, rational adult can support Zimmerman's acquittal unless they're racist? Because that is most definitely what you're saying; I'm just trying to figure out if you're being disingenuous or if you are actually that blind.

freak7:lordjupiter: So what the self-defense enthusiasts are now saying is he should've retreated to his house and just called the police so they'd protect him from the guy following him home. Is that right?

Who said that? What people are doing is countering the ridiculous claim that Zim chased down and grabbed Trayvon.

Why is it rediculous? He was chasing Trayvon up to that point, so why would he suddenly stop?Trayvon was running away up to that point, why would be suddenly turn and confront?

It makes much more sense that they each kept acting as they had been- Zimmerman as hunter, chasing, and Trayvon as prey trying to get away.

lordjupiter:Millennium: lordjupiter: Only if you classify the truth as a riduculous misrepresentation. Which fits the profile of bias and distorted perceptions perfectly. Thank you for proving my point.

Hold on; do you mean to tell me that you actually think that there is no way a thinking, rational adult can support Zimmerman's acquittal unless they're racist? Because that is most definitely what you're saying; I'm just trying to figure out if you're being disingenuous or if you are actually that blind.

Nice try.

Do you think it is possible for a thinking, rational adult to support Zimmerman's acquittal without being racist, or don't you? It's a very simple question.

This from a person who's white knighting George Zimmerman...err...St. Zimmerman. Sorry, won't let that happen again. Don't want to offend any ZAC'ers. You guys are like Muslims. You don't take well to anyone offending your deity.

The thing I think is hilarious about this is that the only way you can infer that Martin "retreated and then re-engaged" is through a very liberal interpretation of pretty confused testimony. Which is proof of assault.

Contrast the fact that Zimmerman first actively pursued Martin in his truck and the left his truck to actively pursue him on foot. Which wasn't enough evidence to support some finding of assault.

There's enough cognitive dissonance there to be a Henry Cowell piano work.

fredklein:Why is it rediculous? He was chasing Trayvon up to that point, so why would he suddenly stop?

So for the almost two minutes that Zimmerman was on the phone after reporting to dispatch that "he's gone", Zimmerman was actually chasing Trayvon around the building. In your version of events, is Yakkity Sax playing?

fredklein:freak7: lordjupiter: So what the self-defense enthusiasts are now saying is he should've retreated to his house and just called the police so they'd protect him from the guy following him home. Is that right?

Who said that? What people are doing is countering the ridiculous claim that Zim chased down and grabbed Trayvon.

Why is it rediculous? He was chasing Trayvon up to that point, so why would he suddenly stop?Trayvon was running away up to that point, why would be suddenly turn and confront?

It makes much more sense that they each kept acting as they had been- Zimmerman as hunter, chasing, and Trayvon as prey trying to get away.

How did he manage to keep up a calm conversation with Rachel if he was being "chased"?

Millennium:lordjupiter: Millennium: lordjupiter: Only if you classify the truth as a riduculous misrepresentation. Which fits the profile of bias and distorted perceptions perfectly. Thank you for proving my point.

Hold on; do you mean to tell me that you actually think that there is no way a thinking, rational adult can support Zimmerman's acquittal unless they're racist? Because that is most definitely what you're saying; I'm just trying to figure out if you're being disingenuous or if you are actually that blind.

Nice try.

Do you think it is possible for a thinking, rational adult to support Zimmerman's acquittal without being racist, or don't you? It's a very simple question.

And one that's irrelevant to my point. Bias is not necessarily racial.

s2s2s2:lordjupiter: s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: birdmanesq: freak7: birdmanesq: I find it interesting that you would simply make up something like that.

I find it interesting that you're commenting on a case you obviously know little about. Trayvon's female friend said that he was in his yard and then went back to where Zimmerman was. She also said that she believes that Trayvon threw the first punch.

So "arrived at home" actually means "in the yard of his home"?

It definitely means he went back to George, either way.

Give up.

Almost like he was trying to stand his ground.

You misspelled "commit assault". He succeeded at that.

If some strange guy is stalking you and following you to your house, are you standing your ground or just going out and randomly assaulting someone.

You have it backwards.

ZOMG! He was talking right at me!

Sorry, if you DO retreat, then go back, it's assault.

Not really, but you keep believing what makes you feel better.

Yeah. Facts work for me. Shellie(noted perjurer) has already recanted.

Zimmerman (noted killer) is merely not being charged by his wife. This means nothing when it comes to what actually happened, and further proves my earlier points regarding the double standard when it comes to proof and character bias.

birdmanesq:The thing I think is hilarious about this is that the only way you can infer that Martin "retreated and then re-engaged" is through a very liberal interpretation of pretty confused testimony. Which is proof of assault.

Contrast the fact that Zimmerman first actively pursued Martin in his truck and the left his truck to actively pursue him on foot. Which wasn't enough evidence to support some finding of assault.

There's enough cognitive dissonance there to be a Henry Cowell piano work.

lordjupiter:s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: birdmanesq: freak7: birdmanesq: I find it interesting that you would simply make up something like that.

I find it interesting that you're commenting on a case you obviously know little about. Trayvon's female friend said that he was in his yard and then went back to where Zimmerman was. She also said that she believes that Trayvon threw the first punch.

So "arrived at home" actually means "in the yard of his home"?

It definitely means he went back to George, either way.

Give up.

Almost like he was trying to stand his ground.

You misspelled "commit assault". He succeeded at that.

If some strange guy is stalking you and following you to your house, are you standing your ground or just going out and randomly assaulting someone.

You have it backwards.

ZOMG! He was talking right at me!

Sorry, if you DO retreat, then go back, it's assault.

Not really, but you keep believing what makes you feel better.

Yeah. Facts work for me. Shellie(noted perjurer) has already recanted.

Zimmerman (noted killer) is merely not being charged by his wife. This means nothing when it comes to what actually happened, and further proves my earlier points regarding the double standard when it comes to proof and character bias.

freak7:fredklein: The alley the incident took place in is behind the building where Trayvon lived. The alley was, in effect, 'his back yard'.What's your point?

This is what Trayvon Martin supporters actually believe.

Only because it's true.

Language is imprecise. I can say "I'm at the store", while still being hundreds of feet away in the parking lot. I can say "I'm home" while still taking the taxi from the airport. And Trayvon can say "I'm behind my house" when he's in the alley that runs... Behind his house.

So the consensus is if it's Zim's word against his wife's, we should believe him. The problem with that is there was a witness/second victim (her dad) and he apparently supports her story. They could be ganging up on him, but how likely is that, really? Yes, she committed perjury (apparently at his behest, and to benefit him) but didn't he also concoct some wild tale of saving some family in a car crash recently? That turned out to be utter b.s., IIRC, so his credibility ain't looking too shiny either.

And we all know a battered wife deciding not to press charges later means jackshiat. Frankly, it makes her story seem more genuine to me, since I've seen that next-day scenario of "But I love him!" way too many times. That's why many states have taken the option away from the victim, because they recant and possibly end up dead later.

fredklein:freak7: lordjupiter: So what the self-defense enthusiasts are now saying is he should've retreated to his house and just called the police so they'd protect him from the guy following him home. Is that right?

Who said that? What people are doing is countering the ridiculous claim that Zim chased down and grabbed Trayvon.

Why is it rediculous? He was chasing Trayvon up to that point, so why would he suddenly stop?Trayvon was running away up to that point, why would be suddenly turn and confront?

It makes much more sense that they each kept acting as they had been- Zimmerman as hunter, chasing, and Trayvon as prey trying to get away.

This from a person who's white knighting George Zimmerman...err...St. Zimmerman. Sorry, won't let that happen again. Don't want to offend any ZAC'ers. You guys are like Muslims. You don't take well to anyone offending your deity.

birdmanesq:I don't think it's open to question that Zimmerman pursued Martin. Even if you say he was following him to "observe and report" (*cough* bullsh*t *cough*) he still would have been pursuing him.

I see that you didn't take my advice. Here, I'll do it for you.

pur·suepərˈsooverb1.follow (someone or something) in order to catch or attack them."the officer pursued the van"

abfab:So the consensus is if it's Zim's word against his wife's, we should believe him. The problem with that is there was a witness/second victim (her dad) and he apparently supports her story. They could be ganging up on him, but how likely is that, really? Yes, she committed perjury (apparently at his behest, and to benefit him) but didn't he also concoct some wild tale of saving some family in a car crash recently? That turned out to be utter b.s., IIRC, so his credibility ain't looking too shiny either.

And we all know a battered wife deciding not to press charges later means jackshiat. Frankly, it makes her story seem more genuine to me, since I've seen that next-day scenario of "But I love him!" way too many times. That's why many states have taken the option away from the victim, because they recant and possibly end up dead later.

There was no battery, no accusation of battery, no gun, nothing to corroborate her original claims, which both she, and her father have refused to continue with. George cooperated with police, offered the video footage from his security cameras, and Shellie has admitted there was no gun(no gun was found on George at the scene). My favorite part: He "Stayed in his damned car."

freak7:fredklein: Why is it rediculous? He was chasing Trayvon up to that point, so why would he suddenly stop?

So for the almost two minutes that Zimmerman was on the phone after reporting to dispatch that "he's gone", Zimmerman was actually chasing Trayvon around the building. In your version of events, is Yakkity Sax playing?

As I recall there were 3 to 4 minutes after Zimmerman said "okay" to the dispatcher's "we don't need you do to that" and hung up, before the fight started.

You tell me- what was Zimmerman doing for those minutes?? Not walking back to his truck- that was only 30 seconds away.

The answer, of course, is that he was still hunting for Trayvon. And he found him. The GF's testimony is that they traded words, then Trayvon shouted "Get off me! Get off me!" Why would be shout that if he was attacking Zimmerman? On the other bond, it makes perfect sense if Zimmerman attacked him.

gimmegimme:Duke_leto_Atredes: trappedspirit: Newsflash! No crime and no arrest. Less at 10./journalgasm

100 Watt Walrus: Duke_leto_Atredes: wife divorce shnenanigans

she is a confessed purjurer, her word carrys no weight with the court.

lock his in-laws up for false police reports and violate her probation.

And there it is. No need to wait for facts or details. There's simply no way this could possibly be true.

Facts1 She has filed for Divorce2 She has asked for his current and future money3 shae has been convicted of perjury4 she is on probation5 the police let him go, this right here is the most telling of all the facts.

Do you dispute that Zimmerman has a long history of involvement in violent incidents?

fredklein:freak7: fredklein: Why is it rediculous? He was chasing Trayvon up to that point, so why would he suddenly stop?

So for the almost two minutes that Zimmerman was on the phone after reporting to dispatch that "he's gone", Zimmerman was actually chasing Trayvon around the building. In your version of events, is Yakkity Sax playing?

As I recall there were 3 to 4 minutes after Zimmerman said "okay" to the dispatcher's "we don't need you do to that" and hung up, before the fight started.

You tell me- what was Zimmerman doing for those minutes?? Not walking back to his truck- that was only 30 seconds away.

The answer, of course, is that he was still hunting for Trayvon. And he found him. The GF's testimony is that they traded words, then Trayvon shouted "Get off me! Get off me!" Why would be shout that if he was attacking Zimmerman? On the other bond, it makes perfect sense if Zimmerman attacked him.

Kit Fister:Can we finally yank this guy's permit at the very least, and expel him from the Order of Responsible Gun Owners? The guy is a douche, a tard, and at this point just deserves to get his gun taken permanently.

I was willing to not say much about him during and after the trial due to lack of evidence, and I will even be OK with him speeding. But if the dude threatened his wife with a gun, get that gun out of his hands, NOW, or you're going to have another body, and I won't have that on my conscience. Pity the wife didn't Stand Her Ground(tm).

s2s2s2:fredklein: freak7: lordjupiter: So what the self-defense enthusiasts are now saying is he should've retreated to his house and just called the police so they'd protect him from the guy following him home. Is that right?

Who said that? What people are doing is countering the ridiculous claim that Zim chased down and grabbed Trayvon.

Why is it rediculous? He was chasing Trayvon up to that point, so why would he suddenly stop?Trayvon was running away up to that point, why would be suddenly turn and confront?

It makes much more sense that they each kept acting as they had been- Zimmerman as hunter, chasing, and Trayvon as prey trying to get away.

How did he manage to keep up a calm conversation with Rachel if he was being "chased"?

I've gone over this before. Trayvon was probably hiding. (Only an idiot would lead a "creepy" armed guy right to his front door). Trayvon wasn't "calm"- he was trying to be quiet as he hid from the creepy guy hunting for him! Then Zimmerman, after a few minutes of looking, found him.

fredklein:freak7: fredklein: Why is it rediculous? He was chasing Trayvon up to that point, so why would he suddenly stop?

So for the almost two minutes that Zimmerman was on the phone after reporting to dispatch that "he's gone", Zimmerman was actually chasing Trayvon around the building. In your version of events, is Yakkity Sax playing?

As I recall there were 3 to 4 minutes after Zimmerman said "okay" to the dispatcher's "we don't need you do to that" and hung up, before the fight started.

You tell me- what was Zimmerman doing for those minutes?? Not walking back to his truck- that was only 30 seconds away.

The answer, of course, is that he was still hunting for Trayvon. And he found him. The GF's testimony is that they traded words, then Trayvon shouted "Get off me! Get off me!" Why would be shout that if he was attacking Zimmerman? On the other bond, it makes perfect sense if Zimmerman attacked him.

If scientists could use tears of impotent rage as an energy source, you could single-handedly power the Indian subcontinent.

s2s2s2:lordjupiter: s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: lordjupiter: s2s2s2: birdmanesq: freak7: birdmanesq: I find it interesting that you would simply make up something like that.

I find it interesting that you're commenting on a case you obviously know little about. Trayvon's female friend said that he was in his yard and then went back to where Zimmerman was. She also said that she believes that Trayvon threw the first punch.

So "arrived at home" actually means "in the yard of his home"?

It definitely means he went back to George, either way.

Give up.

Almost like he was trying to stand his ground.

You misspelled "commit assault". He succeeded at that.

If some strange guy is stalking you and following you to your house, are you standing your ground or just going out and randomly assaulting someone.

You have it backwards.

ZOMG! He was talking right at me!

Sorry, if you DO retreat, then go back, it's assault.

Not really, but you keep believing what makes you feel better.

Yeah. Facts work for me. Shellie(noted perjurer) has already recanted.

Zimmerman (noted killer) is merely not being charged by his wife. This means nothing when it comes to what actually happened, and further proves my earlier points regarding the double standard when it comes to proof and character bias.

He is also not being charged by police. You got nothing.

I have as much as you. You just choose to lionize a killer and possible racist who has had multiple accusations of violence and abuse.

rga184:Kit Fister: Can we finally yank this guy's permit at the very least, and expel him from the Order of Responsible Gun Owners? The guy is a douche, a tard, and at this point just deserves to get his gun taken permanently.

I was willing to not say much about him during and after the trial due to lack of evidence, and I will even be OK with him speeding. But if the dude threatened his wife with a gun, get that gun out of his hands, NOW, or you're going to have another body, and I won't have that on my conscience. Pity the wife didn't Stand Her Ground(tm).

/how much do you want to bet he also beats his wife?

Safe bet given a past girlfriend already accused him of it.

She dropped it. Bonus: she also told FBI he wasn't a racist. What a pickle!