Red Sox and Mets fans getting very nervous now. (but both have the Wild Card to fall back on )

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hfo (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hfo)

In the NL I think Philly is going to nose out Arizona for the WC if they don't win the division

Huge win for the Flubs last night

Last night may have ended the Tigers dreams....

skottyj242

09-18-2007, 11:12 AM

I'm on the Padres wagon.

WhiteSoxJunkie

09-18-2007, 11:38 AM

I'm on the Padres wagon.

Ditto. Other than the Sox, I think they're the team I most want to see win.

Fenway

09-18-2007, 12:28 PM

Boston looks awful right now. Dice-K and Okajima are gassed...Wakefield has lost it and the team is not hitting.

Some say seeding means little in baseball but I disagree.

2 years ago the White Sox opened the playoffs with people remembering ghosts of playoff past. But because Boston and New York tied with NYY getting the tie-breaker the White Sox had the good fortune to see Matt Clement in Game 1. Who knows what would happened if they had played New York. Thank the Cubs for that as they stole a game from Boston that June they had no business winning.

DSpivack

09-18-2007, 01:36 PM

Boston looks awful right now. Dice-K and Okajima are gassed...Wakefield has lost it and the team is not hitting.

Some say seeding means little in baseball but I disagree.

2 years ago the White Sox opened the playoffs with people remembering ghosts of playoff past. But because Boston and New York tied with NYY getting the tie-breaker the White Sox had the good fortune to see Matt Clement in Game 1. Who knows what would happened if they had played New York. Thank the Cubs for that as they stole a game from Boston that June they had no business winning.

So we're supposed to thank the Cubs for '05? :redneck

Fenway

09-18-2007, 01:37 PM

So we're supposed to thank the Cubs for '05? :redneck

I blame them for Boston's demise :D:

The Immigrant

09-18-2007, 02:33 PM

I blame them for Boston's demise :D:

It's hard to win when David Wells is your best pitcher.

ode to veeck

09-18-2007, 06:28 PM

How did all the Rowand fans misss this golden opportunity to shine more love down on him!? He takes the tying and lead runs off the board with a stumbling catch on the warning track to end the 8th and knocks in 3 with two HRs in the Phillies 13-11 win over the Cards.

That'll help 'em forget McNaab's troubles

Foulke You

09-18-2007, 06:48 PM

The Phillies offense is ridiculously good but that pitching is suspect. The good thing for them is that the pitching is suspect on a LOT of NL teams. They could slug their way into the playoffs if they keep hitting at this clip.

I think the Red Sox will hold on to the division lead with the Yanks unfortunately winning the Wild Card. The Yanks will give the Red Sox a scare like the Indians did to us in '05 but it is easier to play with a lead. The Yanks have no margin for error if they want to win the division. If the Red Sox win a couple and the Yanks lose a couple, the lead is back up to 5.5 and the division is all but wrapped up.

The Tribe pretty much put the Tigers away last night. Detroit needed a sweep. They still have wild card hopes though.

JB98

09-18-2007, 07:14 PM

How did all the Rowand fans misss this golden opportunity to shine more love down on him!? He takes the tying and lead runs off the board with a stumbling catch on the warning track to end the 8th and knocks in 3 with two HRs in the Phillies 13-11 win over the Cards.

That'll help 'em forget McNaab's troubles

I'm an Iguchi fan, so I'm rooting for the Phillies. :D:

Philadelphia pretty much has to outslug everyone because their bullpen is Sox-like.

The Phillies and Brewers would be slam-dunk playoff teams if they had even mediocre middle relief.

Fenway

09-18-2007, 10:11 PM

Gagne blows another game helped by J D Drew misplaying a fly ball. Yanks now 2 in loss column.

Sox

09-18-2007, 11:32 PM

Are the RedSawks becoming the "Bad News Bears"? I think so.

chisoxfanatic

09-18-2007, 11:49 PM

It's hard to win when David Wells is your best pitcher.
And you're getting clobbered 14-2 in Game 1, setting the tone for the rest of the series! :D:

I'm on the Angels' rooting ship throughout the entire playoffs.

Don't look now, though, as Cleveland is a game away from pulling even with Boston for the #1 seed. Right now, they're playing so great at the Jake. Whomever gets that #1 seed is gonna be PRETTY tough to beat in October.

oeo

09-18-2007, 11:51 PM

This is a pretty weak year in terms of the best teams. There really isn't a great team in either league. The Red Sox looked like that team for awhile, but not so much anymore.

chisoxmike

09-18-2007, 11:53 PM

This is a pretty weak year in terms of the best teams. There really isn't a great team in either league. The Red Sox looked like that team for awhile, but not so much anymore.
I agree, any of the 8 teams that get can win the hole damn thing. There really isn't a dominant team this year. That being said, I say Angels over Mets.

DSpivack

09-18-2007, 11:54 PM

This is a pretty weak year in terms of the best teams. There really isn't a great team in either league. The Red Sox looked like that team for awhile, but not so much anymore.

Which should make the playoffs very wide-open. Then again, last year...

Fenway

09-19-2007, 09:17 AM

The mood in Boston is grim

Even though the magic number for the playoffs is down to 4 (Detroit is the only team that can knock Boston out) nobody is looking forward to the post-season now...

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/galleries/p1091912007.jpg
Another one slips away (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/09/19/another_one_slips_away_from_gagn_sox)

Francona felt he had to find out whether he could trust Eric Gagné in October. How much that costs him in September remains to be seen.

Group therapy (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/)
Do you see the team's first division crown in more than 10 years slipping away?

In NY the Mets are in the same boat
http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/09/19/alg_frontback09_19.jpg (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/galleries/september_front_pages/september_front_pages.html)

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09192007/img/back091907.jpg

Oblong

09-19-2007, 09:45 AM

If the Tigers can go 10-0 and Boston goes 2-8.... I'm just sayin' Did they do the coin flip for a Tiger/Red Sox playoff game? Do they do a tiebreaker for wild card?

:tongue:

Yankees aren't losing again. They will win the division.

Fenway

09-19-2007, 09:50 AM

If the Tigers can go 10-0 and Boston goes 2-8.... I'm just sayin' Did they do the coin flip for a Tiger/Red Sox playoff game? Do they do a tiebreaker for wild card?

:tongue:

Yankees aren't losing again. They will win the division.

Boston NYY tiebreaker is season record head to head which NYY won 10-8

Francona felt he had to find out whether he could trust Eric Gagné in October. How much that costs him in September remains to be seen.
Gagne was(and is)done.I have been very surprised that he keeps getting run out there when everyone(including Gagne) knows he is going to blow it.You can see it on his face when he comes in.Although at this point it seems that Francona is at a loss.

Fenway

09-19-2007, 10:17 AM

Gagne was(and is)done.I have been very surprised that he keeps getting run out there when everyone(including Gagne) knows he is going to blow it.You can see it on his face when he comes in.Although at this point it seems that Francona is at a loss.

I can't figure Gagne out. He was fine in texas and it looked like a great move by Theo.

Okajima is gassed as he never has pitched this many innings...

There are going to have to use Timlin as the setup guy now and that is risky as well.

It is going to end badly for Boston....

itsnotrequired

09-19-2007, 10:25 AM

I can't figure Gagne out. He was fine in texas and it looked like a great move by Theo.

Bayliss saying on 1st and 10 that the Red Sox will win the World Series. Anyone getting behind him?

SBSoxFan

09-19-2007, 12:27 PM

Wouldn't it be something if the Yanks got in, but the Mets didn't? :o:

I'm actually kinda pulling for the Yankees. Everybody hates them; they're all old, overpaid, and washed up; they always start off poorly. Yet, here they are on Sept 19, 2-1/2 games out of the division lead and 4-1/2 up in the wild card. I gotta admire a run like that --- unless you're the 2005 Cleveland Indians. :tongue:

I'm finding it much easier to root for the Yankees than the Tigers.

Fenway

09-19-2007, 12:32 PM

Wouldn't it be something if the Yanks got in, but the Mets didn't? :o:

I'm actually kinda pulling for the Yankees. Everybody hates them; they're all old, overpaid, and washed up; they always start off poorly. Yet, here they are on Sept 19, 2-1/2 games out of the division lead and 4-1/2 up in the wild card. I gotta admire a run like that --- unless you're the 2005 Cleveland Indians. :tongue:

I'm finding it much easier to root for the Yankees than the Tigers.

Mets have very little wiggle room as they have the same amount of wins as San Diego

The real battle in the AL is for best record as Boston, Cleveland and Anaheim are in a virtual dead heat with 10 to go

Fenway

09-19-2007, 02:22 PM

some in our fanbase not worried.....

http://www.moveyourasana.com/David/pictures/RedSoxFan.jpg

Fenway

09-19-2007, 02:53 PM

Francona tries to explain Gagne

WEEI - Dale and Holley - Terry Francona, Red Sox mgr. (http://weei.podzinger.com/viewMedia.jsp?index=1&num=10&filter=0&expand=true&match=query,channel&dedupe=1&start=0&il=en&col=en-all-pod_weei-ep&s=PZSID_pods_pod5_8_6_0005;WEEI+-+Dale+and+Holley&e=11388816&res=48755387)
Sep 19, 2007
Terry talked to Dale & Holley about last night's loss to Toronto. What the mindset was with Gagne, though he was struggling. Manny's condition, Youk and how things show more (javascript:PlayerUtil.makeVisible('0',true))

"The base hit's OK, little base hit to left field, but the walks, and out of the strike zone with the hard stuff, that's where it's like, you're on the edge of your seat because you're pulling so hard because we need this guy desperately to go as far as we want to go.

"Trying to get it correct isn't always the easiest thing to do, and it was a difficult night, believe me. As a fan, it probably makes you crazy. Believe me, when you make your living doing it, it might make you crazier."

SBSoxFan

09-19-2007, 03:00 PM

Cleveland just finished off a sweep of Detroit. Detroit now stands 7.5 back of Cleveland and 5 back of NY.

Fenway

09-19-2007, 03:03 PM

Cleveland just finished off a sweep of Detroit. Detroit now stands 7.5 back of Cleveland and 5 back of NY.

Red Sox magic number for playoffs now 3

Foulke You

09-19-2007, 03:19 PM

I wouldn't count the Red Sox out for the World Series even if they end up blowing the division title. The Tigers were ice cold going into the playoffs and lost the division to the Twins on the last day in '06 but ended up making the World Series anyway. The '05 White Sox weren't exactly tearing it up in September until the very last week and we all know what happened after we got in.

The Yankees definitely have the momentum right now though. If their old pitching holds up, they could be tough in the playoffs. In July, I really thought this would finally be the year the Yankees missed the playoffs.:(:

Fenway

09-19-2007, 03:24 PM

Indians picked up a game, leaving them tied with the Red Sox for the best record in baseball. (The Angels game starts in half an hour.) So the pressure is mounting, at least for home field advantage. The pressure, with the Tigers slumping, is lessening in terms of making the playoffs overall.

Fenway

09-19-2007, 05:53 PM

Francona just annouced Okajima has been shut down and Gagne will continue to be the setup man. Lovely.

TDog

09-19-2007, 09:09 PM

For what it's worth, it seems certain that neither 2006 World Series team will make the 2007 postseason. Both 2005 World Series teams have been eliminated from the 2007 postseason and each has a shot at last place. Only one of the 2004 World Series teams appears headed for the 2007 postseason, but that team missed the 2006 postseason by eight games.

Fortunes change quickly in baseball these days.

thomas35forever

09-19-2007, 10:10 PM

some in our fanbase not worried.....

http://www.moveyourasana.com/David/pictures/RedSoxFan.jpg
Was there a shot of this guy in Fever Pitch?

Fenway

09-19-2007, 10:11 PM

Papelbon gives up a grand slam and NYY wins again. I am ill

Patrick134

09-19-2007, 10:15 PM

Tonights starting lineup for the Bosox was hardly imposing. It's Ortiz and Lowell as the good hitters, with pedroia an acceptable third decent hitter. Aside from Tek, the rest of the lineup was poor hitters. Hardly a playoff worthy lineup these days, due to injuries.

TDog

09-19-2007, 10:16 PM

Papelbon gives up a grand slam and NYY wins again. I am ill

The wild card safety net will keep the Red Sox afloat into the ALCS.

When the White Sox lead fell to 1.5 games in September 2005, right Sox fans were ill, but an 11-1 post-season run did wonders for our health.

jfinsocal

09-20-2007, 12:43 AM

Hairston just hit a 3 run walk off homer against the Bucs.

Padres are hot at the right time.

chisoxfanatic

09-20-2007, 12:45 AM

Hairston just hit a 3 run walk off homer against the Bucs.

Padres are hot at the right time.
It's gonna be Padres/D-Backs for the NLDS.

itsnotrequired

09-20-2007, 07:02 AM

It's gonna be Padres/D-Backs for the NLDS.

As in they would play each other? I will bet you $1 million that will not happen.

:tongue:

chisoxfanatic

09-20-2007, 07:46 PM

As in they would play each other? I will bet you $1 million that will not happen.

:tongue:

Typo! replace the D with a C.

Fenway

09-20-2007, 11:12 PM

Mets have a meltdown in the bottom of the 9th and lose in 10. Philly wins so that is now 1 1/2. Mets really do not have the WC to fall back on.

Fenway

09-21-2007, 04:09 PM

It would be ironic if the Yankees chug into first on the same day the Mets fall out of it.

MIAMI - It may be close to impossible to shrug off or overcome the crushing devastation of last night.

In the top of the ninth inning, the Mets valiantly came back from a one-run deficit to the Marlins, rallying for four runs and getting a clutch three-run double from Marlon Anderson. But they blew a three-run lead in the bottom half of the inning, then fell in the 10th in an excruciating 8-7 stunner.

and in Philadelphia
http://pdn.philly.com/sport.jpg (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/)

Phillies battle past Nationals, gain on Mets (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20070921_Comeback_Kids.html)
By Todd Zolecki, Inquirer Staff Writer
The loudest cheers came afterward. They came late last night in the cramped visitors' clubhouse at RFK Stadium, where the Phillies huddled around a small TV after a critical 7-6 victory over the Washington Nationals. They came after the Florida Marlins rallied to beat the New York Mets, 8-7, in 10 innings to move the Phils within 1 1/2 games of first place in the National League East with just nine games to play.

The Indians win the AL central today, while the Angels can clinch the AL West with a win, and the Red Sox are in.

palehozenychicty

09-23-2007, 04:36 PM

Man, what an exciting day, with the Bears-Cowboys tonight, the Pennant Race. It doesn't get any better than that. Oh wait....

October baseball is coming. :D:

palehozenychicty

09-23-2007, 06:14 PM

Rockies leading the Friars in the bottom of the seventh, 6-1. They would be making a statement with a sweep here, and get back within a game and a half of the WC! :o:

PKalltheway

09-23-2007, 06:45 PM

Rockies leading the Friars in the bottom of the seventh, 6-1. They would be making a statement with a sweep here, and get back within a game and a half of the WC! :o:
Man, the Rockies just won't die. I would really love to see them sneak in.

palehozenychicty

09-23-2007, 07:09 PM

Man, the Rockies just won't die. I would really love to see them sneak in.

The Rox sweep. I'd be down with them or the Pads. I love the Phillies, or White Sox East :D:, but I think they'll run out of gas with those mediocre arms. I picked them, but I just dont' know.

chisoxmike

09-23-2007, 08:40 PM

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-4102543dt.jpg
http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-4115796dt.jpg
Locker room Division Champ gear. We don't have enough of this kind of stuff...

:(:

SBSoxFan

09-24-2007, 08:51 AM

Locker room Division Champ gear. We don't have enough of this kind of stuff...

:(:

I wouldn't want a shirt that looks like that. The hat looks good though, IMO.

manders_01

09-24-2007, 08:04 PM

Man, the Rockies just won't die. I would really love to see them sneak in.

Got my playoff tix this weekend! My boss even said he'd accommodate if one of the two games I've got so far was the day game. SWEET! :D:

Fenway

09-25-2007, 09:33 AM

How the AL shapes up the final week

While the Angels (West), Indians (Central), and Red Sox (at least a wild card) all have clinched AL playoff berths, the matter of which teams will have home field advantage has yet to be decided. It remains possible that two or all three of the division winners (whether it's the Red Sox or Yankees in the East) will finish with identical records. Aside from the fact that the wild-card team can never have the home field edge, here's how the AL postseason shakes out:

and offers a warning..what happens in September means little in October

Then again, you try explaining what happens in the postseason. How Derek Lowe, a pitcher who finished 2004 with a 2-2, 6.52 month goes on to pitch 19 1/3 postseason innings with a 1.87 ERA. How does Johan Santana, who is 50-17 in his career after the All-Star break, have one postseason victory to his credit? The postseason pitcher with the best September of a year ago was Boof Bonser, who was 4-1 with a 2.63 ERA for the Twins and lasted all of six innings in October.

I wanted the division, but I'd be happy to avoid LAA. Fenway spelled out Boston's success against them, so we may just be looking at NYY-Boston again.

Actually if season ends now you get LAA as the wild card. The #1 seed will go down to the final day it looks like

Fenway just erupted when the 6 clanged down next to TB That was an unexpected shock

nysox35

09-26-2007, 02:42 PM

Actually if season ends now you get LAA as the wild card. The #1 seed will go down to the final day it looks like

Fenway just erupted when the 6 clanged down next to TB That was an unexpected shock

Wait, I don't get it. Doesn't the WC go against the highest seeded team (not from one's own division)?
Right now Cleveland (93-63) has a 2 game lead over LAA (92-66).

EDIT: Point being, Cleve and Boston should be top 2 seeds, but NYY can't draw Boston, so they'd go to Cleve. Is my logic flawed somehow?

The restaurant I was in in NYC erupted as well, but the opposite way...

Fenway

09-26-2007, 02:45 PM

Wait, I don't get it. Doesn't the WC go against the highest seeded team (not from one's own division)?
Right now Cleveland (93-63) has a 2 game lead over LAA (92-66).

The restaurant I was in in NYC erupted as well, but the opposite way...

Yes but if Boston is the #1 seed instead of Cleveland

my head is spinning

DSpivack

09-26-2007, 02:54 PM

Yes but if Boston is the #1 seed instead of Cleveland

my head is spinning

If Boston is the #1 seed, they would play the division winner with the lowest record, or last in a tiebreaker; most likely Anaheim. Thus Cleveland plays the Yankees. The seeding right now could go any way, however.

Fenway

09-26-2007, 04:24 PM

TBS has a rough draft of how the games will be televised ( this of course could fall apart easily for example if the WC comes out of the East ( Philadelphia )

All Times Eastern

TBA vs. NYM - 4pm
NYY vs. CLE - 8pm
CHC vs. ARZ - 10pm (they have have to stagger the time due to the central time zone)

we may just be looking at NYY-Boston again.
I will honestly vomit if there's another New York-Boston ALCS.:angry:

Fenway

09-26-2007, 04:34 PM

I will honestly vomit if there's another New York-Boston ALCS.:angry:

It has been 3 years :smile: since they met in the playoffs.

captainclutch24

09-26-2007, 06:31 PM

With a win or a Tigers loss the Yankees can clinch the final AL playoff spot.

The Mets can win the east with a win tonight and tomorrow over the nationals and losses tonight and tomorrow by the phillies to the braves

The Cubs can win the central tomorrow with wins tonight and tomorrow over the marlins and if the Padres beat the Giants tonight and Brewers tomorrow

The Diamondbacks can win the west tomorrow with wins tonight and tomorrow versus the Pirates and a Rockies loss either tonight or tomorrow versus the Dodgers and A Padres loss tonight versus the Giants and a Padres loss tomorrow versus the Brewers

The earliest all three Divisions can be wrapped up is friday.

The wild card race gets very complicated
If the Diamondbacks clinch tomorrow, and the Mets do there could potentially be a tie for the wild card lead if the rockies only lose one game because the padres will have dropped 2. The WC standings would look like this in this scenario using e numbers
Padres -
Rockies - or 3
Phillies 3
Braves 3
Brewers 1 or E

If the Mets fail to clinch and the Dbacks do there could be either a three way tie between the Padres, Rockies, and Phillies or the Phillies could be on top by a game on the Padres and 1 or 2 games on the rockies.

If the Mets and Cubs clinch then the Padres could be in the lead by a game still or there could be a tie between the Padres, Rockies or Padres, Phillies or a 3 way.

After typing all this tonights games will be big as the earliest the WC can be clinched is friday.

asindc

09-26-2007, 10:08 PM

It has been 3 years :smile: since they met in the playoffs.

Good. Let it be at least another 3!

DSpivack

09-26-2007, 10:36 PM

Things could be getting interesting in Queens...Phillies win, Nats sweep Mets, and the lead is one.

palehozenychicty

09-27-2007, 06:57 AM

Things could be getting interesting in Queens...Phillies win, Nats sweep Mets, and the lead is one.

Newsday is going to be chock full of horror stories today, for both the City and Chicago. :redneck

palehozenychicty

09-27-2007, 07:21 AM

The NL West is getting into the final stretch. The Diamondbacks are up a game to the Friars and two to the Rox. This weekend, the Snakes could be out of the playoffs! :o:

Baseball is really crazy.

Fenway

09-27-2007, 07:36 AM

The Mutts lost 3 at home to the Nats and are on the verge of blowing everything. With LAA losing 3 to Texas the AL first round seems locked in. LAA-BOS and CLV-NYY.

TommyJohn

09-27-2007, 08:52 AM

Things could be getting interesting in Queens...Phillies win, Nats sweep Mets, and the lead is one.

earliest playoff scenarios as of today
NL East
The Mets can win the NL East tomorrow with a wins today v. St. Louis, and tomorrow v. Flordia
and
A phillies Loss tonight versus Atlanta and tomorrow versus washington

NL Central
The Cubs can win the NL Central tomorrow with either
a)Cubs Win tonight versus Flordia and tomorrow versus Reds, and a loss by the Brewers either today or tomorrow
or
b)Cubs win either tonight versus Fla. or tomorrow versus Cinn, and losses today and tomorrow by the Brewers versus SD

NL West
a) The diamondbacks can win the West with a win today versus pittsburgh and a win tomorrow versus colorado and padres losses today and tomorrow versus the brewers

NL Wild Card/playoff spot
a) the diamondbacks clinch a playoff spot with a win today versus pitt and tomorrow versus colorado, and a phillies loss tonight or tomorrow
b)the padres clinch a playoff spot with wins today and tomorrow versus the brewers, colorado loses today to LA and tomorrow to Ari, and the phillies lose tonight to Atl., and tom. to Wash

If scenario B happens then it will be the Padres and Dbacks fighting it out for the divison title and the right to play the cubs in the first round

WhiteSoxJunkie

09-27-2007, 02:57 PM

Good. Let it be at least another 300!

Fixed it for ya.

Fenway

09-27-2007, 02:59 PM

Barring a total collapse by the Red Sox in their final four games of the season against the Twins and a sudden recollection of how to win by the Angels (losers of three straight), Boston will host the Orange County regional baseball team when the ALDS kicks off next week. The Red Sox lead the Angels by three games in the loss column. Only a sweep by the Twins this weekend at Fenway will prevent the Red Sox from topping the Angels for the better record (any tie goes to the Red Sox based on winning the head-to-head regular season series).

Update:
6-3 Philly over ATL 7th inning maybe
3-0 STL over Mets in the 7th
4-0 Fathers over the Brew-crew in the 4th.
Colorado plays tonight
Cubs lost 5-4 to FLA
Arizona pounded some ass 8-0 earlier in the day.

getonbckthr

09-27-2007, 09:35 PM

Mets lose and Philly on verge of victory. :o:

Fenway

09-27-2007, 09:41 PM

Mets lose and Philly on verge of victory. :o:

What a homestand for the Mets. They are going to blow everything

DoItForDanPasqua

09-27-2007, 09:56 PM

What a homestand for the Mets. They are going to blow everything

Unbelievable. This has been a crazy year in the National League. Not a single team has 90 wins.

DSpivack

09-27-2007, 09:58 PM

What a homestand for the Mets. They are going to blow everything

Too bad the wild card is still there. Go Rockies!

DSpivack

09-27-2007, 10:00 PM

Unbelievable. This has been a crazy year in the National League. Not a single team has 90 wins.

Wow, didn't realize that and just looked at the standings; Arizona is the only team to get there. What was the last season when a whole league had such few wins?

It's Time

09-27-2007, 10:06 PM

If the Mets indeed lose the division, they will have the honor of having the biggest choke in Baseball history.

No team in MLB history has EVER blew a 7 game lead with 17 to play. The Mets are now tied for 1st with 3 to play.:o::D:

DSpivack

09-27-2007, 10:07 PM

If the Mets indeed lose the division, they will have the honor having the biggest choke in Basball history.

No team in MLB history has EVER blew a 7 game lead with 17 to play. The Mets are now tied for 1st with 3 to play.:o::D:

No, but the '64 Phillies blew a 6.5 game lead with 12 to play, which is worse. So it wouldn't be the biggest choke in MLB history, but it'd be up there. If they win the wild card though, so what?

Fenway

09-27-2007, 10:25 PM

NYY picks up a game as Beckett loses to Twins.

captainclutch24

09-27-2007, 10:29 PM

Boston Loses so if Cleveland can win tonight, cleveland controls its own destiny and could end up with the 1 seed which would be huge.

Even though it is probably over yankees pick up a game. How big would it be if new york wins tomorrow and boston loses again.

San Diego beating Millwaulkee 9-2 so barring a miracle SD will hold onto its wild card lead by a game over the phillies and mets and either a 1 or two game lead over the rockies

It's Time

09-27-2007, 10:29 PM

No, but the '64 Phillies blew a 6.5 game lead with 12 to play, which is worse. So it wouldn't be the biggest choke in MLB history, but it'd be up there. If they win the wild card though, so what?

They are going to be a game out of the wild card after tonight. They have been playing horrid for over two weeks now. We're not talking about a bad series, we're talking a major choke job. I'd like to see that Phillies story about that 64 choke.

I heard tonight that the Mets are about to choke away the biggest division lead ever with 17 to go.

DSpivack

09-27-2007, 10:38 PM

They are going to be a game out of the wild card after tonight. They have been playing horrid for over two weeks now. We're not talking about a bad series, we're talking a major choke job. I'd like to see that Phillies story about that 64 choke.

I heard tonight that the Mets are about to choke away the biggest division lead ever with 17 to go.

The Phillies had a 6.5 game lead with 12, the Mets a 7 game lead with 17. The Phillies choke is bigger.

Fenway

09-27-2007, 10:39 PM

Boston Loses so if Cleveland can win tonight, cleveland controls its own destiny and could end up with the 1 seed which would be huge.

Even though it is probably over yankees pick up a game. How big would it be if new york wins tomorrow and boston loses again.

San Diego beating Millwaulkee 9-2 so barring a miracle SD will hold onto its wild card lead by a game over the phillies and mets and either a 1 or two game lead over the rockies

A tie does Boston no good.Boston had 16 LOB tonite.Seattle takes early lead.

But the only occasion anyone celebrated last night at Fenway Park was Johnny Pesky's 88th birthday. Plans for a bigger affair first went Boof, then Poof, as the Minnesota Twins enacted their own version of the Volstead Act, keeping the corks in the bubbly and prohibiting the Sox from clinching their first division title in a dozen years with a 5-4 win over the Olde Towne Team.

Nobody's talking about them. That is unreal for a young, inexperienced squad in September, and they're doing it within their own division. They can win the whole division this weekend, and nobody even knows about it. Craziness.

itsnotrequired

09-28-2007, 10:44 AM

Nobody's talking about them. That is unreal for a young, inexperienced squad in September, and they're doing it within their own division. They can win the whole division this weekend, and nobody even knows about it. Craziness.

This will be a fun weekend. Three games left to play in the NL and not a single team has clinched so much as a Wild Card spot. The Diamondbacks-Rockies and Brewers-Padres series are going to be great as each of those teams is still in it.

How hilarious will it be if the Cubs, Diamondbacks and Padres lose and the Brewers, Rockies, Phillies and Mets win tonight? The Brewers would be one game back of the Cubs, the Rockies and Padres would be tied and one game behind the Diamondbacks. The Mets and Phillies would be tied for the NL East lead and at the same time, there would be a four-way tie between the Mets, Phillies, Padres and Rockies!

:nuts:

Fenway

09-28-2007, 10:53 AM

There almost has to be some kind of playoff on Monday and maybe Tuesday and Wednesday

They even had coin flips yesterday for a FIVE WAY TIE

Here’s a scenario that could mess up baseball’s postseason schedule: Imagine if Arizona, Colorado, the New York Mets, Philadelphia and San Diego finish with the same record.

That would create ties in the NL East, NL West and wild card race, necessitating four days of tiebreaker games to determine postseason berths.

Nobody's talking about them. That is unreal for a young, inexperienced squad in September, and they're doing it within their own division. They can win the whole division this weekend, and nobody even knows about it. Craziness.

I'm going to the game tonight and can't wait. It's going to be CRAZY!

GO ROCKIES!!! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

MrT27

09-28-2007, 11:40 AM

There almost has to be some kind of playoff on Monday and maybe Tuesday and Wednesday

They even had coin flips yesterday for a FIVE WAY TIE

Here’s a scenario that could mess up baseball’s postseason schedule: Imagine if Arizona, Colorado, the New York Mets, Philadelphia and San Diego finish with the same record.

That would create ties in the NL East, NL West and wild card race, necessitating four days of tiebreaker games to determine postseason berths.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?articleid=1034678 (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?articleid=1034678)
Wow! I'm rooting for this to happen, it would be great baseball to watch

asindc

09-28-2007, 12:25 PM

Wow! I'm rooting for this to happen, it would be great baseball to watch

At this point, the most that could have is a 4-way tie. Az. and Colo. play each other this weekend, and Colo. is 1 game back. Those 2 teams cannot tie each other. 1 of those teams, along with the other 3 can tie each other, though.

itsnotrequired

09-28-2007, 12:38 PM

At this point, the most that could have is a 4-way tie. Az. and Colo. play each other this weekend, and Colo. is 1 game back. Those 2 teams cannot tie each other. 1 of those teams, along with the other 3 can tie each other, though.

Colorado is two games back.

But you are correct, Arizona and Colorado cannot finish with the same record.

AZChiSoxFan

09-28-2007, 12:42 PM

Colorado is two games back.

True, but "asindc" is still correct, regarding the 5 way tie. The Rockies are two back of AZ with 3 to play, so there is no way those two teams can tie. Thus, the much discussed 5 way tie cannot happen.

AZChiSoxFan

09-28-2007, 12:46 PM

How about Micah Owings of the D-Backs yesterday? What a performance! Brandon Webb was scheduled to start for AZ. However, the forecast called for rain. Bob Melvin was afraid that if he started Webb, he might pitch two innings, then have a long rain delay, and Webb's start would be lost. So, he rolled the dice, pushed Webb's start back to tonight, and started Micah Owings. All Owings did was pitch 6 innings of shutout ball, and go 4 for 4 at the dish, with 3 RBI. Now, Webb can pitch tonight, and then pitch the opener of the NLDS on normal rest (assuming the D-backs make it).

Melvin rolled the dice and it paid off big time.

What a performance by Owings.

captainclutch24

09-28-2007, 12:48 PM

At this point, the most that could have is a 4-way tie. Az. and Colo. play each other this weekend, and Colo. is 1 game back. Those 2 teams cannot tie each other. 1 of those teams, along with the other 3 can tie each other, though.

Yep, the 5 way was only possible had the rockies lost last night. There can only be a tie between SD, Col, NY, and Phi.

SBSoxFan

09-28-2007, 01:49 PM

How about Micah Owings of the D-Backs yesterday? What a performance! Brandon Webb was scheduled to start for AZ. However, the forecast called for rain. Bob Melvin was afraid that if he started Webb, he might pitch two innings, then have a long rain delay, and Webb's start would be lost. So, he rolled the dice, pushed Webb's start back to tonight, and started Micah Owings. All Owings did was pitch 6 innings of shutout ball, and go 4 for 4 at the dish, with 3 RBI. Now, Webb can pitch tonight, and then pitch the opener of the NLDS on normal rest (assuming the D-backs make it).

Melvin rolled the dice and it paid off big time.

What a performance by Owings.

Wow! I thought I had seen that Webb was originally scheduled to pitch last night, but I didn't know the circumstances behind the change.

Owings is hitting something like 320 with 3 HR and 15 RBI!

SBSoxFan

09-28-2007, 01:51 PM

Yep, the 5 way was only possible had the rockies lost last night. There can only be a tie between SD, Col, NY, and Phi.

Should there be a 4-way tie, I say that all 4 get in and the NL Central winner stays home this October.

DSpivack

09-28-2007, 02:34 PM

Yep, the 5 way was only possible had the rockies lost last night. There can only be a tie between SD, Col, NY, and Phi.

SD, Arizona, NY and Philly can tie. Arizona wins one more game, San Diego two, NY and Philly three. All of them would thus be 90-72.

If there's a four-way tie among the Mets, Phillies, D-Backs and Padres:
• The Mets and Phillies would play in Philly on Monday to crown the East champ.
• The Friars and Snakes would go at it Monday in Arizona for the NL West crown.
• Monday's losing teams would play Tuesday to decide the Wild Card. The Diamondbacks would have to go to Philly or New York. The Padres would either host the Phils or travel to New York. If the Rockies were in the mix here, they'd host either way.

If there's a four-way tie among the Mets, Phillies, Rockies and Padres:
• The Mets and Phillies would play in Philly on Monday to crown the East champ.
• The Rox and Friars would go at it Monday in San Diego for the NL West crown. • Monday's losing teams would play Tuesday to decide the Wild Card. The Rockies would host either Philly or New York. The Padres would host the Phillies, but play at the Mets.

There is a LOT more

The biggest shock will be if TBS doesn't have a game or 2 or Monday at this point

Fenway

09-28-2007, 08:22 PM

Crowd at Shea getting nasty tonite as the Mutts fall behind again. They are playing scared.

TDog

09-28-2007, 09:14 PM

Crowd at Shea getting nasty tonite as the Mutts fall behind again. They are playing scared.

They have 87 wins and still have a shot at the postseason. In that respect, the Mets are lucky things aren't worse. The Tigers have 87 wins, exceeding my expectations by about 10 games, and there is no way they can make the postseason.

Cubs have 83 wins, and many of their fans seem to be planning the World Series victory parade.

Go figure.

DoItForDanPasqua

09-28-2007, 09:19 PM

the Mets are lucky things aren't worse.

If the Mets blow this, things couldn't be any worse: on September 13, they had a 6.5 game lead.

Fenway

09-28-2007, 09:56 PM

Boston keeps pressure on Cleveland and magic number for east is now 1. Mets situation getting bleaker as Philly rolling.

Fenway

09-28-2007, 10:46 PM

Mets lose and SD on verge of having 2 game wild card lead with 2 to play.

Fenway

09-28-2007, 10:57 PM

Boston wins the East as NYY blows 3 run lead in 9th loses in 10.

TDog

09-28-2007, 11:56 PM

If the Mets blow this, things couldn't be any worse: on September 13, they had a 6.5 game lead.

It could be worse for the Mets. They could be the Brewers.

Fenway

09-29-2007, 12:13 AM

It could be worse for the Mets. They could be the Brewers.

Mets still alive but last rites have been given. However Philadelphia has a 120 year history of screwing up. But Mets need to win and I doubt they can now

OK, so what happens if the Mets, Phillies, Rockies and Padres all end up 89-73? The Mets/Phillies have a one-game playoff to decide the Eastern Division winner. Then what? How do they decide between the loser of the Mets/Phillies and Padres and Rockies in terms of a playoff. Who gets to sit? Do they base it on head-to-head records?

Obviously, if the Padres win tomorrow, they are in as the Wild Card. If they lose and the Mets, Phillies and Rockies all win, all four teams will have the same records (assuming the Rockies hold on to their lead tonight).

Gotta love the Wild Card. It certainly keeps things exciting. :cool:

DSpivack

09-29-2007, 10:10 PM

OK, so what happens if the Mets, Phillies, Rockies and Padres all end up 89-73? The Mets/Phillies have a one-game playoff to decide the Eastern Division winner. Then what? How do they decide between the loser of the Mets/Phillies and Padres and Rockies in terms of a playoff. Who gets to sit? Do they base it on head-to-head records?

Obviously, if the Padres win tomorrow, they are in as the Wild Card. If they lose and the Mets, Phillies and Rockies all win, all four teams will have the same records (assuming the Rockies hold on to their lead tonight).

Gotta love the Wild Card. It certainly keeps things exciting. :cool:

"In the event four teams finish with the same record, and two are tied for second place in the NL West, New York and Philadelphia would play the NL East tiebreaker Monday; the loser would play a three-team, two-day, wild-card tiebreaker with the NL West teams on Tuesday and Wednesday. In the that scenario, the team with the best head-to-head record among the three teams in the wild-card tiebreaker would get the choice of having a bye on Tuesday or playing both games at home."

Boston wins the #1 seed. They now have one hour to decide if they want 7 or 8 day series.

Fenway

09-29-2007, 10:53 PM

Boston wins the #1 seed. They now have one hour to decide if they want 7 or 8 day series.

Boston takes the 8 day and will start Wednesday with LAA Indians-NYY starts Thursday

thomas35forever

09-30-2007, 03:20 PM

Sorry if this was discussed already, but why does AZ win the division? They only led by a game going into today.

DoItForDanPasqua

09-30-2007, 03:23 PM

I believe it's because they hold the tie-breaker, which is head to head record. They don't have a one game playoff if the teams are in the same division and the second place team qualifies for the wild card.

Hendu

09-30-2007, 04:05 PM

Milwaukee now leads SD 6-4. Things are getting interesting indeed.

Hendu

09-30-2007, 04:39 PM

Mets lose, Phillis win!!! :bandance::bandance: Now I hope the Brew Crew can hold on to their lead (no Turnbow, please) and the Rockies score some runs.