so the fact a match has not been attempted against TMs voice is not relevant or does not concern you at all?

i think any impartial observer would want that. I sure do.

No it doesn't bother me. Science doesn't need a sample of Trayvon to rule out Zimmerman. If you understood what the analysis is doing you would
understand that. Would a sample of Trayvon be nice to rule him 90% or better, sure it would be (and the prosecution may have those samples provided
from voicemails or video tapes from the family) but is it needed to rule out Zimmerman??......absolutely not.

I am sorry you don't understand that but it is pretty simple.

But...lets say they did have a sample of Trayvon, that would not change the fact that it was NOT Zimmerman screaming, Zimmermans match would still be
48% no matter what percentage Trayvons sample may match at. If his sample didn't match then that means there is a potential 3rd screamer, which I
think we all agree no one has reported, so if we know it is NOT Zimmerman and its not a mystery 3rd person then that only leaves 1 person.....Trayvon.
Ill say it one more time, experts do not need a sample of Trayvon's voice to RULE OUT Zimmerman.....basic stuff we are talking about here.

Considering the person who created the software said it needs so many words to be reliable and we dont have that from the 9/11 call. Also the fact
that its screaming in an extreme situation thats a pretty amazing position to take.

shocking bias i hope the courts are fairer.

But...lets say they did have a sample of Trayvon,

and it came back as 10% match would you still say its trayvon? i think you would

Zimmermans match would still be 48% no matter what percentage Trayvons sample may match at

amazing even if trayvons sample was less than zimmermans your quite happy to hang him on it. Can you not see how biased that is? your willing to rule
out zimmerman becuase he doesnt match 90% but your not willing to rule out TM if he doesnt match 90%

George Zimmerman has been released from a Florida jail after posting $150,000 bond as he awaits trial for the shooting death of 17-year-old
Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman exited the John E. Polk Correctional Facility (JEPCF) at the Seminole County Sheriff's Office at approximately midnight on Monday. The
28-year-old posted bond and was fitted with an electronic monitoring device prior to release, according to a statement from the Seminole County
Sheriff's Office.

The GPS device, which can give immediate identification of an offender's whereabouts at any given time, will be monitored by the SCSO and Seminole
County Probation.

At a bond hearing on Friday morning Judge Kenneth Lester agreed to allow Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder, to post a $150,000 bond
to get out of jail. The prosecution had argued that Zimmerman should be denied bail or that it should be set at $1 million.

"I am in no way taking a position on whether Zimmerman is guilty or innocent. I am here for truth and justice and standing up for the
constitutional rights," said Jones, who heads Dove World Outreach Center and carries a pistol for his own protection. "Some of the black community
just decided Zimmerman is guilty. I say there has to be due process. In America, you are innocent until proven guilty."

Terry Jones is going to be holding
some rallies and marches for zimmerman,
gives us another perspective here.

48% - Probability of the voice being Zimmerman's.
90% - required for a positive match...

There were only 2 people involved and if Zimmerman is not the match then logic dictates its Martins voice. That would mean there is a 90% chance or
better that the voice is Martins based on the test requirements.

Yes? No?

So no, I'm not misspeaking.
I have already posted the sources, and you posted the same ones as well.

Again please take the time to read and understand the posts before responding. These derailments are getting old.

"I am in no way taking a position on whether Zimmerman is guilty or innocent. I am here for truth and justice and standing up for the
constitutional rights," said Jones, who heads Dove World Outreach Center and carries a pistol for his own protection. "Some of the black community
just decided Zimmerman is guilty. I say there has to be due process. In America, you are innocent until proven guilty."

Terry Jones is going to be holding
some rallies and marches for zimmerman,
gives us another perspective here.

i would say that it is unfair for the pastor to only mention people in the black community. people in all communities and walks of life are outraged
about this case, not just people in the black community.

Why would zimmerman start a fist fight knowing if he throws a fist the other guy
might shoot him? He wouldn't. Treyvon not thinking, let his emotions get the best
of him and he started a fist fight. Had treyvon REALLY felt
threatened by zimmerman, he would of ran when his G/F told him too, he sized zimmerman
up, and thought he could take him in a fist fight. Zimmerman would of never caught up with
treyvon had treyvon not wanted him too...
Zimmerman knew what street he was down,
but he did not know what street TREYVON went down.
Well, why would a man who has a gun
that was on the phone with 911
waiting for police to get there
start a fist fight with a guy he did not know
was armed or not? He wouldn't, most law abiding people smart
enough to conceal and carry is smart enough
to know you do not pick a fist fight with a armed person..
Treyvon was the only one that knew trayvon had no gun,
so if zimmerman knew he himself had a gun, but did not know if treyvon did or not

Considering the person who created the software said it needs so many words to be reliable and we dont have that from the 9/11 call. Also the fact
that its screaming in an extreme situation thats a pretty amazing position to take.

shocking bias i hope the courts are fairer.

But...lets say they did have a sample of Trayvon,

and it came back as 10% match would you still say its trayvon? i think you would

Zimmermans match would still be 48% no matter what percentage Trayvons sample may match at

amazing even if trayvons sample was less than zimmermans your quite happy to hang him on it. Can you not see how biased that is? your willing to rule
out zimmerman becuase he doesnt match 90% but your not willing to rule out TM if he doesnt match 90%

Double standards and totally biased.

edit on 23-4-2012 by yeti101 because: (no reason given)

You can say whatever you want. Science doesn't need a sample of Trayvon to rule out Zimmerman. Zimmerman has been been ruled. That is not biased that
is the truth. You should deal with that.

48% - Probability of the voice being Zimmerman's.
90% - required for a positive match...

There were only 2 people involved and if Zimmerman is not the match then logic dictates its Martins voice. That would mean there is a 90% chance or
better that the voice is Martins based on the test requirements.

Yes? No?

So no, I'm not misspeaking.
I have already posted the sources, and you posted the same ones as well.

Again please take the time to read and understand the posts before responding. These derailments are getting old.

1- 2 companies were hired by the Sentinel (paper in Florida) to analyze the 911 tape with the yelling for help. During that test there was a 90%
probability it was Martin and only a 48% probability it was Zimmerman.

Explain how that is not false information? You can't....because it is.

You typed those words....stand by them or admit you are wrong. Im getting real tired of correcting you and then you playing 'stupid'...like 'oh what
did i do wrong'....you continue to lie an post misleading information.....stop doing it and ill stop correcting you.

You and your buddy's can gang up on me all you want. My post history shows I know what I am talking about and you can only attack with absolutely not
points or facts. Keep it up, it just makes you guys look dumb.

Originally posted by amongus
I'm so sick and tired of hearing about this. There are far more important things to care about than this. A thug who overstepped his bounds, and
paid the price. Enough with the debate already!

So quit coming around this thread if you are sick of hearing about it. Nobody forced you to read this thread, nobody forced to leave a reply.

Originally posted by amongus
I'm so sick and tired of hearing about this. There are far more important things to care about than this. A thug who overstepped his bounds, and
paid the price. Enough with the debate already!

I feel that A HUGE MSM
cover up by all of the big guys
abc,msnbc,cbs,fox, all started
this as a white on black crime..
Lied with the evidence, lied with
there reporting, trying to hang and arrect by
mob rule, by public opinion arresting an innocent man..
Biggest conspiracy
of the year, edited 911 tapes, edited *leaked videos,
edited phone calls, botched evidence.
The al, and jack effect stirring the pot
for their pocket, almost to the point of starting
a riot in sanford about 10 min from me..
The debate is still on because people still
think zimmerman is guilty when he is not..
The debate will not be over until zimmerman
is found innocent.

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