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Creationist Challenge: Read the damn book.

Posted on: January 16, 2008 - 5:28pm

magilum

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Creationist Challenge: Read the damn book.

I have a challenge for Young Earth Creationists, proponents of Special Creation in general, and those opposed to the inclusion of evolutionary theory in biology classrooms: Read the book and show us what the controversy is. You can get a free audiobook version at LibriVox, and put it on your iPod. It won't cost you anything but some time, and you may emerge with a smoking gun against "evolutionists."

Although I am unsure as to whether any creationists will take you up on your challenge, I do thank you for posting this. My copy of Origin of Species is frayed and held together with tape. I've been meaning to buy a new one, but I've never much liked the book, simply because much of it is dedicated to zoology, a field in which Huxley and Darwin were both avid and experienced, yet which I was never interested in. Still, its nice to have an audio-copy, since I can put it on my iPod.

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

Why don't you challenge a creation scientists? Most people who come here claiming to be young earth creationists, probably know very little about the science behind the position.

That's a good point. I've heard the term "creation scientist" thrown about but I can't for the life of me figure out what a creation scientist would do or study. The term "creation scientist" to me is nothing more than an oxymoron. Is anyone able to explain this to me?

I've been searching for several months now for just one experiment done by a creation scientist. For the life of me, I swear I have scoured the internet, and I can't find a damn thing. Not one experiment.

What the hell kind of science can exist for twenty years without doing a single damn experiment? (It's 20 years, right? Didn't we first hear creation science in the late 80s?)

Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin

I've been searching for several months now for just one experiment done by a creation scientist. For the life of me, I swear I have scoured the internet, and I can't find a damn thing. Not one experiment.

What the hell kind of science can exist for twenty years without doing a single damn experiment? (It's 20 years, right? Didn't we first hear creation science in the late 80s?)

Would you qualify this as a study?? Very crude, but OMG he has a results section.

I think creation science was made by theist as a form of pseudoscience to say "God invented this earth by allowing evolution to happen, he set the wheels in motion for science and he created the laws that govern the universe"? Thats what I get from the term...

Would you qualify this as a study?? Very crude, but OMG he has a results section.

Well, from a brief skim of it, I would grudgingly say that it's an experiment -- more along the lines of a kid with a new chemistry set than a scientist following the scientific method -- but it's colloquially correct to call it an experiment.

I'm pretty sure that making up theories which contradict everything science knows about earth's history, and then hunting and gathering isolated facts from a few textbooks doesn't count as peer review quality, but I do give him props for trying.

Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin