What is the ultimate Concealed carry Gun?

Have you ever checked out the IDPA or IPSC? I'd bet that there is a chapter of one or the other near you.

If you're going to start packing, and you're serious about it, it's a world of fun and pretty decent training. A great addition to range time. Not
knowing where you are in Texas, I don't know what might be around, but both sites have a "what's near me" lookup.

One of my friends once said, if you ran a mile or two, did a couple of poppers and had your IRS agent chase you into the course with a summons, an
IDPA course could be almost like the real thing.

Originally posted by jprophet420 i have seen people with more firepower than anyone should ever have and it was all legal. let alone the
fact anyone can get a gun on the streets that wants one.

Firstly, who says what level of firepower someone should have, secondly, anyone can get a gun ILLEGALY who wants one, but not legally.

Since only the law abiding obey the law, when you pass gun laws you disarm only the law abiding, felons always have guns. The UK found that out the
hard way as they now have runaway levels of gun crime and yet centerfire handguns are now banned - go figure huh.

The country with the highest level of firearms ownership is Switzerland, and they also have one of the lowest levels of gun crime - counter intuitive
isn't it? - no it isn't.

Lakesiderealtor - love your H&H info - classy posts.

one person should only have enough firepower to be able to defend themselves.

in the united states the law is oudated and altered as seen fit. according to the constitution, you have the right to bear arms with intent to
overthrow whomever. they didint have the weapons that they have now and do some are banned and some arent. the reality of it is any weapon available
should be allowed. anything 'they' can have 'we' can have. that is the spirit of the law. the letter of the law has been lawyered to death and is
outdated. some people have even done research and come to the conclusion that 'right to bear arms' is more like 'right to server in the military'
i.e. 'you can be drafted...'

as far as switzerland thats fine and dandy, but the places that have the least gun crime are the ones where its legal to conceal.

that brings it back to the catch 22 you mentioned with legal vs illegal. in a place where you can own a pistol but cant bring it with you, what is the
point if you have it legally? the criminal already has one and now you are the criminal if you bring your 'legal gun'.

My current carry is a S&W 4040PD AirLite in .40 S&W, and for its size it packs considerable punch while remaining manageable and the scandium(sp?)
frame makes it quite comfortable riding around in the holster (not gonna say where :p). I would have to completely agree with and echo those
preaching skill over weapon. Comfort with your weapon and practiced skills are worth 10x more than any fancy rig, since in the hands of an
experienced shooter a Walther P22 will make you just as dead as if they were shooting at you with a .500 S&W.

Another weapon I've gotten the chance to demo is the Walther PPK (chambered in .380 ACP) which for those small of stature and on the low end of the
scales its a very nice weapon, well balanced and manageable by smaller than average hands. Sure it might be dinky in size and caliber but loaded with
something like Federal HydraShok I have no doubts that with good shot placement it would drop most attackers quite quickly.

The best available in my humble opinion, is the Sig Arms P229 with nite sites. They also have a Concealed Carry package that rounds out the sights so
that they don't catch on anything when drawn. I'd recommend the .40S&W round for it. The 9mm lacks true stopping power and has a tendency to
over-penetrate and the .45 is just plain more than you need (Rounds can be costly as well). .40cal S&W hollow points will do the job perfectly in any
situation. Practice range rounds cost only like $9 (US) for a box of 100.

This is the weapon of choice for the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, US Marshall Service and Homeland Security. It is one of the most reliable and
most durable handguns available on the open market. I believe that you will also find that it features superior balance and recovery (Re-aiming after
firing) and will fit in your hand very, very nicely.

Hope this was helpful.

Ok, timeout! I'd had a chance to review more of the post - what is going on??? Didn't you say "Concealed Carry?" Do NOT attempt to carry an
assault rifle you'll go to jail. Secondly, your "piece" must be "CONCEALABLE!" Don't take crackpot advice about oversized .357s or .44s -
they're typically HUGE and heavy. Normally what we have here is someone overcompensating for some physical deficiency.

Safety is an issue as well. Not just safe practices, but the actual safety mechanism on the side arm. The nice thing about the Sig P229 is that once
cocked, you can release the hammer without having to engage a physical safety device. This allows for two types of firing configurations. From this
position you can engage a "Long" trigger pull requiring about 7lbs of pull which will draw back the hammer and fire the weapon - without having to
fumble for a safety release. Keep in mind, CCW is for self defense - there is no time to F**k around with old-fashioned safeties. Secondly, once
cocked, a simple 3lb trigger pull fires the weapon. In either case, the weapon goes fully semi-auto after the first round is fired. Avoid the DAK
configuration of the weapon as it has too many firing limitations.

Secondly, size and weight... The weapon needs to be comfortable to carry, easy to draw and must be CONCEALABLE. The P229 has it all. Don't get me
wrong, there are small and light-weight .357s and .44s, but they lack accuracy due to a shorter barrell. They also lack in recoverability after
firing. It's way too much weapon for CCW.

No matter whcih you choose, practice, practice, practice. Get proper training from a certified instructor and become intimate with it. Practice the
old 2-tap firing method - Bam, Bam. This will teach you to recover after a shot and re-aim. Secondly, perfecting this technique will ensure that you
stop your assailant right away ensuring that they cannot harm you in the event that you ever have to actually use it.

Finally, make sure that you understand that a CCW is NOT a simple deterrent. YOU MUST BE WILLING TO USE IT!!! I can not stress this enough. Pulling
out a pistol and waving it around is going to get you killed! You must be willing to use it if required.

I would never want a MP 5 or any of these MP 5 derivitives for anything...ever.

First off for defense or concealed carry they are way to overpriced. Very expensive. I can do just as well in pure defense with my pump shotgun. I can
send lots of lead down range with one shot..and this is just simple 2 and 3/4 buckshot.
I will never understand this fascination with this type of weapon.
Mostlly to me they are not cost effecient or flexible enough for any other use than pure combat..by the military.

Some of the posters here are correct about concealibility..some tools are just naturally more suited by design for this role. Do your homework here
before laying down your hard earned moneys. No reason not to do ones homework when ones hard earned moneys and life are on the line.

yeah..I know...Ive carried concealed my Mini 14 with folding stock, 30 rounds, under my coat. A bit bulky but not that noticable. It was a big coat. I
dont recommend this. And concealed carry is permitted in this state.

Originally posted by devilwasp
incorrect, you can own a .22 pistol in the UK whiuch is more than enough to kill someone.

...and I'd rather use a hefty rock and pocketsand for concealed carry than a .22. Most .22s are made for target shooting, not concealed carry. And
unless you hit a person fairly exactly with it, you're screwed. In June, we had a whack of people come out of clubs in Toronto who didn't even
notice they took a .22 or three to arms, legs, torsos. The person the police suspect was the intended target didn't notice until he got home. He then
walked to an ambulance.

Here's the thing about concealed carry: control isn't the issue. Most incidences where you'd use it, the enemy is at ranges where it is remarkably
hard to miss (ten feet or less). In these cases, you get your shot or two, and it better damn well take the Bad Guy out of action. It doesn't matter
if they get knocked down, or turned to chunky salsa.

The ultimate concealed carry weapon would probably be a revolver in .44 or .357, loaded with the biggest hollowpoints and most powder you can put in
them. If you get your shot off, it doesn't matter if you can shoot hoops through his torso or if you blow off one of his legs. You need to disable
the threat on the first shot, period.

So, the ultimate carry gun is a revolver, heavy calibre, or maybe one of those nice little derringers in .45LC/.410 (.410 in 000 buck only- American
Derringer makes the ammo). I mean, doesn't look like much...but two barrels of chunky salsa effect should be more than enough.

I carry the Sig P239 in .40 after doing all the research I could. It's completety concealable, won't make your back hurt with the weight (I carry
in a pancake style leather belt holster), plenty of firepower for emergency purposes. I really appreciate the wieght of the weapon- after a shot the
weapon settles right back down on your target, and IMO the lighter weapons in heavy calibers really kick your hand.

Are you reading some of these ridiculous recommendations? I mean a Mini 14??? Come on, I have a Mini 14... with a collapsable Cop Stock from Knoxx.
First of all, it doesn't even qualify as "Concealable" unless you are wearing a Persian Rug as a jacket! Second of all, it features ranged ammo.
In CQB you'd overpenetrate like mad! It's an M16 wanna-be for Christ's sake! Assault rifles ARE NOT CCW!!!

For that matter, why not just recommend an RPG or a Ruger 7.62 Mauzer remake? What is the matter with people????????

I found the P239 to be a bit too small for me - I opted for the P229 instead. A bit bigger thus easier to handle, at least for me.

...and I'd rather use a hefty rock and pocketsand for concealed carry than a .22. Most .22s are made for target shooting, not concealed carry. And
unless you hit a person fairly exactly with it, you're screwed. In June, we had a whack of people come out of clubs in Toronto who didn't even
notice they took a .22 or three to arms, legs, torsos. The person the police suspect was the intended target didn't notice until he got home. He then
walked to an ambulance.

A .22 round to the chest or neck will do the job just fine...besides theres no need for a gun in the UK.

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