Monday, September 10, 2007

Nortenos terrorize residents in the Mission

Nortenos wage campaign of terror in the Mission: Just as the bars closed for the night, at approximately 2:10-2:30 of Sunday morning (Sept. 9) a group of about 10-15 norteno gang members went on a rampage at the corner of 24th and Shotwell. They literally stopped cars driving down 24th Street and threatened drivers. They also threw rocks and bottles and vandalized parked cars. The gang members then fired several shots into the air, from what I presumed to be fully automatic handguns. SFPD responded rather quickly after shots were fired, but the gang members got away. I overheard the gang members saying that this was their barrio.

Could be that the gang is trying to intimidate people in the neighborhood before the injunctions are enforced. Stay safe out there!

Has this story been verified elsewhere? Anyone can write an anonymous tip on sfist. I live right by 24th & Treat, (near the Dirty Thieves Bar) and never heard about this happening. The claim that the gang members were firing fully automatic pistols is quite amazing. If this is true (that the Nortenos now have a bunch of machine gun pistols), we need to evacuate all the families from the Mission and call in the military.

Also, most people not educated about guns will refer to any handgun that's not a revolver, as "automatic" even though it's usually probably semiautomatic.

Really, though, the situation is what matters, not the specifics on weapons.

And anyways, gangbangers have had automatic weapons for a long long time now (do you remember SFPD Officer Isaac Espinoza? He was killed in 2004 by a guy with an AK-47. He was just one of many who have been victims of an automatic weapon), and even though it would be unlikely, its certainly not impossible that one could have a fully automatic pistol.

I posted that tip at SFist and witnessed the incident myself. As for independent verification, stroll on by to the Mission Station and ask the desk officer or ask someone that lives on the block if they heard all the racket that night.

I wouldn't count on the neighborhood papers to report on this incident, especially since El Tecolote (located on 24th St & Harrison) ran a staff editorial against the gang injunction City Attorney Dennis Herrera is seeking against the members of the Norteno gang. Can't tell you how feed up I am with these criminals. We need someone like Elliot Ness to clean up this town.

I posted the original note asking if this story was true. I asked some beat cops about it this AM at Folsom & 24th and they said they didn't know about it. I asked a bunch of neighbors too.I don't want to call anyone a liar without knowing the facts. I just don't want to exaggerate crime in the Mission. I've lived here for 20 years and I've heard a lot of rumors about the gangs that turned out not to be true. Sometimes people make up stuff to glorify the gangs. I'm not saying that's happening in this case. I believe you. It's just good to be skeptical before freaking everyone out.What corner was this on BTW?

I live in the neighborhood and was fighting with my girlfriend outside when the gun fire went off. It was semi-automatic small caliber stuff, followed by yelling, police and the usual crowd dispersing. Isn't really anything new get over it or get out. And yes I am part of the first wave of gentrification.

I'm the one who's been questioning this story for a while. I've been asking everyone and couldn't get a validation. I was talking home tonight and was panhandled by one of the bottlemen. I talk to this guy often and he's sober, well spoken & and relatively reliable. Without asking about it, he started telling me about this incident on Shotwell and 24th on Saturday night. His version is that "a bunch' of 15 year old latino 'gang banger' kids took over the corner. They harrassed a bunch of people, broke car windows and actually stole or robbed the keys of a woman driving a Lexus. They wanted $100 to get them back. At some point they also shot 9mm pistols into the air. He said they just went crazy. Apparently they didn't get the money nor she her keys. The bottleman said he stayed with her until after 4AM until someone came with an extra set of keys. So yeah something really bad happened. From his story, I'm not sure if it was Nortenos, I'm not sure it was directed at the bar people (who are mostly European Americans) but it was a scary scene all around and nobody was caught as far as we can tell. To the original poster: Sorry to question your story. I just want to make sure. I own a home and business here and hate to see the reputation of the neighborhood harmed unfairly. In this case, it seems justified and I'm sure it was a scary experience. Peace.

It's all good. About a year ago, an officer that works in the Mission station said that some nights they were really short on officers and had to cut back to one officer per car, instead of two. Some nights they only had 5 officers to cover all of the Mission. The reason they were so short on manpower was the large number of retirements and recruitment problems. I think there is funding for 3 new police academy classes, so those numbers should be improving.

Why doesn't someone ask why Sheriff Michael Hennessey believes that there isn't gang problem in San Francisco. But he goes ahead an segregates all the Nortenos and Surenos in custody at our jails. Mikes philosophy is that gang violences is learned and it can be unlearned. If you really believe that. Then you must be drinking too much of the kool-aid these damn fools are trying to pull over your eyes. You have a 28 years incumbent that doesn't do a damn about the prevailing gang violences within our city. But he talking about this as it is only a perceive problem of the few and only to manifested by the malcontent of our society. In closing, why isn't Mike Hennessey stepping forward and offering solutions to curve the gang violences within our community or he is too busy having lunch at John's Grill with Jim Rivaldo.

I was walking by 24th and Shotwell a little after 2am that night. I saw 10-20 "kids" (teenager-young 20s), at least some of 'em Latino, at the corner, yelling, walking out into the street, etc.; I couldn't tell if they were yelling at each other or the cars, but some cars had to slow down and swerve around these folks. Sometime later - 10-20 minutes maybe, I don't know? - several of the guys ran down Shotwell Street; one was shooting a gun into the air.

I called the cop non-emergency line when I first saw the guys hanging on the corner; then again later when the shots were fired. (Should've called 911 after the shots, I guess, but I wasn't thinking straight.) I never saw the cops show up, but then I wasn't really waiting for them.

I was in a car that had bottles thrown at it. It was fucked up and after reading this I'm really glad my friend who was driving didn't get out and confront them like he wanted to. I'm also really glad I wasn't walking home by myself like I have so many times before. yikes.

If you just Google SF crime statistics and do a little easy math you will find La Mission has the worst crime in SF. Everyone is afraid to come to my house over in the 94124 cuz we are mostly black, but the white kidz sure love to party in La Mission. Can't blame them... thats where all the best bars are for the kidz (crowded, filthy, overpriced). Lucky for me there's nice bars closer to me, where I can get a seat and a $3 pint. Shhhh, dont tell anyone. Stay away.

"thats how us northern cali cholos get down up here in the bay fuck those la punks ene they cat hang with the big bad norte gang. 24$T Y CAPP X415 XIV"

Not bad, officer. But just for future reference, Nortenos NEVER refer to themselves as "cholos". In fact, the term "cholo" is most commonly used by spanish speaking Mexicans and older Chicanos, as an unapproving term to describe gang members. You guys are learning, though. Also, and this is important; Nortenos never refer to Surenos as "LA Punks". They would only use an insulting term, like "Scraps", "scrapa", "sewer rats", "suratas", etc.

I see our tax dollars are at work. Just a couple more classes on gang lingo before you guys get the whole posing as gang members to stir the pot thing down. God speed.

Yeh, I know. I'm just a pesky defense lawyer, or some kind of Michael Moore liberal. But what's worse, that, or a police officer pretending to be a gang member on the internet? If one person gets killed because of the bullshit you posted (not likely, considering how transparently phony it is to anyone remotely connected to the gang world), the blood is on your hands. I don't care how many good things you've done.

this is a false story. live in the area no such event took place. fyi, tenderloin is most crime ridden area not the mission. also depends on your definition of "crime." drug sales, drunken and disorderly conduct or homicides? I wish police would focus more on dangerous crime instead of drugs busts that make for high numbers but don't make us safer...

it is a shame when people have to resort to lies to push silly policing policies that don't work.

gang injunctions have only pushed crime to other neighborhoods. failed project which has only made places like north mission, soma, and tl more dangerous...

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98. Cythia Sareen Weaver, 46, killed after falling from her bathroom window while trying to escape her abusive boyfriend, 24th and Folsom Streets, 11:00 p.m., the Mission. She fell on 10/03. (died on 10/20)

97. Jonisha Tucker, 16, hit in the head with a stray bullet, Hollister Avenue and Third Street, 7:37 p.m., Hunters Point., 10/14. (died on 10/16)

79. Giovanni Lechado, 28, shot along with his wife, inside a car at 18th and Bryant Streets, 6:30 p.m., the Mission, 09/04. Their 4 month-old child was in the car when they were shot. Died at SFGH, 11:40 a.m. (09/05)

*54. Paul Lenz, 41, beaten and strangled, body found at Ocean Beach, 4:00 a.m., 01/15. (Declared a homicide 06/13) *Ocean Beach is under jurisdiction of the US Park Police, so Lenz's murder is not being counted by the SFPD in their total, even though he was killed in San Francisco.

18. Liri Lesku, 34, shot while sleeping in house at 407 Kansas Street, on 02/13, at 2:30 p.m. in potrero Hill. Another woman was critically injured, and a man paralyzed in the shooting. (died at SFGH on 02/26)

11. James Gibson, 29, shot to death on the 100 block of Loehr Street, 1:30 a.m., Visitacion Valley. (02/03)

* 10. Leonard Milo Hoskins, 49, bludgeoned in his home with a peice of lumber, 60 Lamartine Street, Mission Terrace, on December 22nd. His body was not found until February 1st. * The SFPD is counting this towards 2008's total, even though the man was killed in 2007. (02/01)

2008 Justifiable Homicides

1. Leonard Michael Cole, a 55-year old homeless man, shot and killed after lunging at police officers with a knife, Greenwich and Polk Streets. (01/27)

2008 Suspicious Deaths

1. Marcos Baas-Chi, 26, killed after falling from an apartment window on the 300 block of Eddy Street, 10 p.m., the Tenderloin. (03/18)

2007 Homicide Victims (Final SFPD count: 99 Final FBI count: 100)

104. Albert Collins, 30, shot to death while sheilding his 9 year-old daughter from bullets in drive-by at Brookdale and Santos Avenues in Visitacion Valley. 3 others including his daughter were injured. (12/31)

103. Leonard Milo Hoskins, 49, bludgeoned in his home with a peice of lumber, 60 Lamartine Street, Mission Terrace. His body was not found until February. (12/23)

102. Dewayne Larry, 24, shot to death on the 100 block of Kiska Road, Hunters Point (12/17)

* 82. John Daniel Schirra, 22, found dead 2600 block of San Jose Avenue, Lakeview (09/03) *Not counted by the SFPD, who regard his death as "accidental." The Medical Examiner found trace amounts of LSD in his system, and the police believe that he was high and then stripped down, neatly folded his clothes, went outside, stabbed himself multiple times, fell and hit his head, and then knocked on doors looking for help before he died.

* 58. Hugues De La Plaza, 36, found stabbed to death in his apartment, Linden Street, Hayes Valley. (07/02) *Not included in the SFPD's count because the Medical Examiner has not yet released an official ruling on the cause of death

18. John Donaldson, 44, shot to death in car, another man critically injured, in double shooting at Third and Gilman Streets, Hunters Point (02/19)

17. Cadelia Howard, 54, found shot to death in housing complex, 1200 block of Ingalls Street, Hunters Point (02/17)

16. Tony McDougal, 33, shot at Hayes and Baker in the Western addition. He drove to Haight and Fillmore Streets in the Lower Haight, and crashed into a bus shelter at the scene of another shooting, that had occured an hour earlier, and was being investigated by police. He died at SFGH. (02/12)

2007 Justifiable Homicides

4. Marcus Harris, 37, stabbed to death by his girlfriend after he attacked her, 1500 block of La Salle Avenue, Hunters Point (09/15)

3. Rene Alexander Robinson, 45, shot to death by police when he charges them with two large knives, after he stabbed a man to death (Homicide victim #22) and attempted to hijack a car and stab the inhabitants, 7th and Townsend Streets, SoMa (03/07)

1. Mario Vargas, 36, of Daly City, shot to death by police outside pizzeria, 5145 Mission Street, after pointing a gun at officers, the Mission (01/28)

2007 Suspicious Deaths and Unverified Murders

4. A man was reportedly shot in the face at 24th and York Streets, in the Mission, after which he got in his car, drove a block, crashed, and according to witnesses, died. There was no news, and his death is not recorded on the SFPD's crime maps. Did he not actually die? Did he die from the accident, and not the bullet? (mid-July)

3. Edgar Garcia Torres, 22, killed when a gang member and convicted felon running from police slammed into his car, Third and Quesada Streets, Hunters Point. This was ruled vehicular manslaughter, but another death under almost identical circumstances (homicide #32), was considered a murder. Not sure what the reasoning is. (04/18)

2. Joshua Glasser, 26, found naked, handcuffed, and suffocated, with a plastic bag around his head, in a ransacked apartment, 1900 page street, the Haight. Heard that this was considered a homicide, but later heard it was considered as "suspicious." (02/19)

1. Homeless woman reportedly shot to death, 401 Haight Street, Lower Haight. There was no news story, so it is unsure if the victim died (mid-January)