>Uh... use their ISP relay service anyway???>I take my laptop all over, to lot's of my clients locations, and if I>could relay through their servers, then I had better give them some good>advice.. Some places I just pick an available IP and it might not be in>the allowed relay list. And this happens when I am in M$ or Linux..

So, Mr. Admin, setup your laptop to use SSL to your SMTP and POPserver and authenticate with a client side certificate on yourlaptop. Welcome to the 21st century. You may, however, need a littlemore infrastructure than you can pull from your favourite distributionbox.

>And sometimes, I even go to locations where they can't tell me their>ISP's SMTP mailer.. Not to mention, I shouln't have to reset my>configuration for each location I happen to be at..>The point is, if it is a pain, then people will be less likely to>contribute..

So you made something wrong. My servers have public IP addresses.Wherever I am on the Internet, I can connect to them. I canauthenticate myself as being me, and they accept my mails. No problemhere. No reconfiguration, either.

Come on people, stop whining. If everybody here is using mobile clients anddifferent locations for mail sending and receiving, you should either

- get a hosted or housed box with your own mail server- use a commercial web or POP/SMTP mail service- get an ISP which does have a clue and its mail server not in ORBS or RBL (they may, however not be the cheapest around)

or (as mentioned above), set up a box with TLS, relay from everywhereand their neigbor with authentication to this box and then go out viaa well known SMTP server into the internet.