I was at the game, and we were all busy cheering the hit (there was a ton of Reyes-love going on, it was obviously the only draw to this meaningless midday game). Then I suddenly notice Turner is going to first and Reyes is almost in the dugout already. There wasn't enough time (or maybe everyone was too surprised) to give him a standing ovation, though some tried. So the guy everyone came to see, they barely got to see. People were cheering and chanting his name after the game ended, I guess hoping to see him come out and do something, but that was never going to happen.

Ehhh still have a sour taste in my mouth for him asking to be taken out. Where's the competitive fire? Go 4-4 if you wanted to lock it up. I hate people that play to not lose, rather than go out and win.

Ehhh still have a sour taste in my mouth for him asking to be taken out. Where's the competitive fire? Go 4-4 if you wanted to lock it up. I hate people that play to not lose, rather than go out and win.

Yeah, agree on this point...he's not the only one to have done something like this (some guys don't even play in the final game to "clinch" their batting titles), but I don't like it and never will.

nmig, that beast missed 191 games the last three seasons, and is coming off a year where he put up numbers that were a quantum leap over his career figures. I know you're a big-time Reyes fanboy, but you gotta take the blinders off on this one. We both know the Mets aren't going to be spending much money in the forseeable future...Reyes' injuries this year probably took him out of Carl Crawford money, but he's still going to get a big offer...one a team with limited flexibility like the Mets shouldn't make or match. Who knows...maybe this is the beginning of Reyes putting it all together more consistently, maybe he'll find a way to stay healthy like he did from 2005-08, but the Mets aren't in the position to take that risk.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 29 September 2011 - 06:10 AM.

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan![Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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The fact that Carl Crawford had the year he did probably takes Reyes out of Carl Crawford money

Could he have been any worse this year? A .289 OB%?! (His career BATTING average is .293) I know he had a dreadful April that pulls his numbers down, but still...

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan![Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!

For all the hate Wright gets, you'd think he's awful. His 131 wRC+ this season ranks tied for 2nd best among 3B this season with A-Rod. Michael Young leads the pack. But that's better than Kevin Youkilis, Aramis Ramirez, Evan Longoria, Chipper Jones, Evan Longoria, Ryan Zimmerman.... I could go on, but its useless. All the stats that people on this board care about are the garbage ones that hold little meaning.

All Longoria did was turn in his best month when his team needed it most, punctuated by that game-winning, wild-card clinching HR. In September: a .289 BA, .454 OB%, .589 SLG, 1.043 OB+SLG, 7 HR, 22 RBI, 27 BB, 16 K. This is why sabermetrics are not the be-all end-all way to measure ballplayers. Wright pretty much stunk the last two months of the season.

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan![Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!

It's all good. I'll repeat that I'm finished with that topic; I've said my piece.

I just hope this thread doesn't turn in the Weekly Update On David Wright thread in 2012 (if hes still here, that is).

All eyes are going to be on him if (when, really) Reyes departs...especially since he's supposed to be one of the Mets' big guns, and is coming off his worst year in the majors (maybe the sabes can somehow twist a mediocre-at-best year into a good one for Wright, but one thing that can't be disputed is that this was his worst season by far). If he has an April like this September, and the Mets get off to a bad start, he's going to be hearing about it left and right, and he's going to be a major topic of conversation.

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan![Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!

^7^ is just defending his sport sheeps.. as Alcibiades the exiled Athenian rationalizes in his speech to the enemy Spartans, he wants to take revenge on Athens because he loves it and can't stand to see the state it's in now - Triumph

ah ok, thought I saw on the YES Mike Francesa show ticker that he was let go.

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^7^ is just defending his sport sheeps.. as Alcibiades the exiled Athenian rationalizes in his speech to the enemy Spartans, he wants to take revenge on Athens because he loves it and can't stand to see the state it's in now - Triumph

Adam Rubin has a bunch of notes (via Twitter) about the Mets officially announcing the Citi Field changes:

He also said they are changing the outfield walls to blue, which is awesome. I never understood why they were black in the first place.

Impossible not to be a fan of these changes. Maybe that brings David Wright and - GASP! - even Jason Bay back to life.

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan![Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!

Joel Sherman brought up an interesting trade potential between the Mets and the Angels:

“We will listen on Wright for sure,” a Mets official told me during the week. “We know we are not going to win it all in 2012. We have to hope the Phillies get old and we are in position to take advantage of that in 2013-14, and we have to figure out ways to speed the process to get there.”In other words, if the Mets could find the young, defensive-oriented center fielder they crave plus an arm or two in exchange for Wright, they will seriously consider it.

The team the Mets are focusing upon the most is the Angels, who they know have had interest in Wright previously and, in Mike Trout and Peter Bourjos, have two young center fielders. The Angels will not move Trout, who made his major league debut at 19 last year and is seen as a five-tool cornerstone to their future.

But Bourjos is a possibility. Two different talent evaluators told me they thought Bourjos was one of the three best defensive center fielders in the majors last year. Bourjos, who turns 25 in March, also hit .271 with 12 homers and 22 steals. If the Mets are able to get Bourjos and one or two arms from a group that includes Tyler Chatwood, Garrett Richards and John Hellweg, it could be enticing because there also would be a significant amount of saved money for 2012 — take your pick if that ends up in ownerships’ pockets or reinvested in payroll.

I would make that deal. I'm a Bourjos fan. His plate approach bothers me a little -- he doesn't walk much and he strikes out a bit too much as well -- but he has the speed to make him an elite defensive centerfielder, an asset on the bases, and probably a higher-than-average BABIP hitter (it was .338 this year). He even has a little power. That total package this season was good enough for a 4.3 WAR, which ranked in the top 10 of centerfielders, and if he can be that type of talent while making dirt-cheap pre-arb money, that would be huge surplus value to the team.

As for the other guys mentioned, I like Chatwood's stuff. His numbers in the Majors this year weren't very good but the Angels were very aggressive with promoting him; they pretty much leapfrogged him over AAA and he only had 68 innings at AA as a 20 year old. I definitely think there is some upside here and I wouldn't mind seeing him get some seasoning in AAA. He's still only 21.

Garrett Richards would be great too; John Sickels of Minor League Ball wrote this about him in early August:

A 6-3, 215 pound, 23 year-old right-hander, Richards works with a 91-94 MPH sinking fastball, topping out at 95-96. His secondary pitches are a slider, curveball, and changeup. All three show promise, but all three were very erratic in college and have gradually improved in pro ball. Texas League reports confirm this steady improvement, but the fastball remains his bread-and-butter. His control is generally quite good, and his command has improved: keep in mind that control (throwing general strikes) and command (hitting your spots within the strike zone) are not the same thing.

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I'm optimistic about Richards and I think he can be a solid inning-eating starter. We should see him sometime in 2012.

The Mets would have to make any deal that is centered around Bourjos. I think he's already more valuable than Wright, even if you expect some offensive regression. Add in the fact he's younger, very cheap, and under control through 2016 and it's almost a no-brainer. Throw in a couple of intriguing starting pitcher arms and it's icing on the cake. This would also free up a lot of money to resign Jose Reyes, who is the more valuable player right now and the player I'd expect to be more valuable over the next five years anyway. Murphy would slot in at 3B, his natural position, and probably be able to come close to matching Wright's total production.

Edited by nmigliore, 06 November 2011 - 01:17 PM.

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LETS GO METSLETS GO DEVILS

"Take all that clubhouse [expletive] and all that, throw it out the window. Every writer in the country has been writing about that [expletive] for years. Chemistry don't mean [expletive]."

These looks absolutely BEAUTIFUL, especially the pure-white home and the road grays. The 50th Anniversary patch looks nice too.

I was never so vehemently against the black drop shadow...but these look better. In my eyes...best in baseball

and unlike the citi field inaugural patch disaster, they got it right with the 50th anniversary

Edited by '7', 17 November 2011 - 03:02 PM.

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^7^ is just defending his sport sheeps.. as Alcibiades the exiled Athenian rationalizes in his speech to the enemy Spartans, he wants to take revenge on Athens because he loves it and can't stand to see the state it's in now - Triumph