I thought the stage design was great. The screens were impressive, the shape and the positioning of the strip of lights on each screen really making them resemble smartphones. In that sense, it really is one of the cleverest stage designs in the Stones' history, physically embodying the 'No Filter' tour name (filters, of course, being effects applied to photographs on Instagram, an app most commonly used on smartphones).

A shame, then, that despite the promise of no filter(s), filters were in fact very common, particularly, from what I have seen, during 'Sympathy', 'Play With Fire', 'Miss You' and 'Jumpin' Jack Flash'; the filter applied to the screen footage during the lattermost number rendering it virtually unwatchable.

Has anyone any thoughts on this? An ironic juxtaposition between tour name and onstage visuals? Or maybe in 2017, concertgoers expect an array of effects. Personally, they gave me a headache.

Great find! This is actually very interesting - it shows, that from the concept, there are two layouts of the No Filter Pit - with one central catwalk and with two catwalks on both sides. My guess is, that for some shows (possibly where there are no seats on the floor) we will get the "real" pit.

In the run of this tour, not everybody will like everything he or she gets to see or hear. And they will write about that in this forum. In my opinion that has not necessarily to do with a “bashing” of any kind. I will not take part in posting mean things towards my favourite band. I don´t mean to bore you, but that is important to me.

That said, the Hamburg-gig was simply amazing. Nothing short of it. And it had it´s special moments, i.e. solos starting on an unusual fret of Mr Richards guitar´s fingerboard. That´s not bashing. That is being there with all senses instead of just “being there (and being seen)”. I said it before, SFTD is a brilliant opener – just as many other songs would be. The first sound you wanna hear in a Stones concert is not necessarily a drumloop – or Chuck L. Great start anyway. Maybe even here a slightly slower version would even improve the groove – again just my five cents. SMU was my favourite, but so what – again no bashing.Everybody changes, thank god. I start really liking Mick Jagger (after already having spent thousands of Euros over the years in order to hear “his” band)! He is so g r e a t! Same with the man from “Straight Outta Dartford”. The Man. No more words needed. Ronnie changes as well, he´s going through the roof. Mr Watts is the “Roll” in R n´R, the center that seems to hold everything together. Even in red socks, sharped dressed Charles.

Just because I am not one of those who would drink the water the Rolling Stones take a bath in, doesn´t mean I don´t love what they do! I do love all they do, especially on stage. And after Hamburg I´m sure we have a lot to expect. Get ´em while you can.

See you tomorrow in MUC – and take care everybody. (today´s a cruel date for me, all my love goes to Manhattan today)

QuoteFillmoreIn the run of this tour, not everybody will like everything he or she gets to see or hear. And they will write about that in this forum. In my opinion that has not necessarily to do with a “bashing” of any kind. I will not take part in posting mean things towards my favourite band. I don´t mean to bore you, but that is important to me.

That said, the Hamburg-gig was simply amazing. Nothing short of it. And it had it´s special moments, i.e. solos starting on an unusual fret of Mr Richards guitar´s fingerboard. That´s not bashing. That is being there with all senses instead of just “being there (and being seen)”. I said it before, SFTD is a brilliant opener – just as many other songs would be. The first sound you wanna hear in a Stones concert is not necessarily a drumloop – or Chuck L. Great start anyway. Maybe even here a slightly slower version would even improve the groove – again just my five cents. SMU was my favourite, but so what – again no bashing.Everybody changes, thank god. I start really liking Mick Jagger (after already having spent thousands of Euros over the years in order to hear “his” band)! He is so g r e a t! Same with the man from “Straight Outta Dartford”. The Man. No more words needed. Ronnie changes as well, he´s going through the roof. Mr Watts is the “Roll” in R n´R, the center that seems to hold everything together. Even in red socks, sharped dressed Charles.

Just because I am not one of those who would drink the water the Rolling Stones take a bath in, doesn´t mean I don´t love what they do! I do love all they do, especially on stage. And after Hamburg I´m sure we have a lot to expect. Get ´em while you can.

See you tomorrow in MUC – and take care everybody. (today´s a cruel date for me, all my love goes to Manhattan today)

Cheers, Fillmore

Good points overall! And I totally agree about the text I bolded. Slower versions often make a better groove.

Cool. If you are outside of the Filter Pit (in the "golden standing" area), does anyone have an opinion on whether it is better to be in the center, in front of the B Stage, or along the sides of the pit, closer to the main stage

QuoteFillmoreIn the run of this tour, not everybody will like everything he or she gets to see or hear. And they will write about that in this forum. In my opinion that has not necessarily to do with a “bashing” of any kind. I will not take part in posting mean things towards my favourite band. I don´t mean to bore you, but that is important to me.

That said, the Hamburg-gig was simply amazing. Nothing short of it. And it had it´s special moments, i.e. solos starting on an unusual fret of Mr Richards guitar´s fingerboard. That´s not bashing. That is being there with all senses instead of just “being there (and being seen)”. I said it before, SFTD is a brilliant opener – just as many other songs would be. The first sound you wanna hear in a Stones concert is not necessarily a drumloop – or Chuck L. Great start anyway. Maybe even here a slightly slower version would even improve the groove – again just my five cents. SMU was my favourite, but so what – again no bashing.Everybody changes, thank god. I start really liking Mick Jagger (after already having spent thousands of Euros over the years in order to hear “his” band)! He is so g r e a t! Same with the man from “Straight Outta Dartford”. The Man. No more words needed. Ronnie changes as well, he´s going through the roof. Mr Watts is the “Roll” in R n´R, the center that seems to hold everything together. Even in red socks, sharped dressed Charles.

Just because I am not one of those who would drink the water the Rolling Stones take a bath in, doesn´t mean I don´t love what they do! I do love all they do, especially on stage. And after Hamburg I´m sure we have a lot to expect. Get ´em while you can.

See you tomorrow in MUC – and take care everybody. (today´s a cruel date for me, all my love goes to Manhattan today)

Cheers, Fillmore

Good points overall! And I totally agree about the text I bolded. Slower versions often make a better groove.

A slower version of Sympathy...slower than it already is? The life is already sucked out of it with the drum loops and the plodding tempo.How would making it slower help? Especially if it's going to be played as the opener? If anything, they should pick up the pace, or at least add something to make it seem livelier like some congas.

.._____________________________________________________________Nothing to do, nowhere to go...you're talkin' to people that you don't know....

QuoteFillmoreIn the run of this tour, not everybody will like everything he or she gets to see or hear. And they will write about that in this forum. In my opinion that has not necessarily to do with a “bashing” of any kind. I will not take part in posting mean things towards my favourite band. I don´t mean to bore you, but that is important to me.

That said, the Hamburg-gig was simply amazing. Nothing short of it. And it had it´s special moments, i.e. solos starting on an unusual fret of Mr Richards guitar´s fingerboard. That´s not bashing. That is being there with all senses instead of just “being there (and being seen)”. I said it before, SFTD is a brilliant opener – just as many other songs would be. The first sound you wanna hear in a Stones concert is not necessarily a drumloop – or Chuck L. Great start anyway. Maybe even here a slightly slower version would even improve the groove – again just my five cents. SMU was my favourite, but so what – again no bashing.Everybody changes, thank god. I start really liking Mick Jagger (after already having spent thousands of Euros over the years in order to hear “his” band)! He is so g r e a t! Same with the man from “Straight Outta Dartford”. The Man. No more words needed. Ronnie changes as well, he´s going through the roof. Mr Watts is the “Roll” in R n´R, the center that seems to hold everything together. Even in red socks, sharped dressed Charles.

Just because I am not one of those who would drink the water the Rolling Stones take a bath in, doesn´t mean I don´t love what they do! I do love all they do, especially on stage. And after Hamburg I´m sure we have a lot to expect. Get ´em while you can.

See you tomorrow in MUC – and take care everybody. (today´s a cruel date for me, all my love goes to Manhattan today)

Cheers, Fillmore

Good points overall! And I totally agree about the text I bolded. Slower versions often make a better groove.

A slower version of Sympathy...slower than it already is? The life is already sucked out of it with the drum loops and the plodding tempo.How would making it slower help? Especially if it's going to be played as the opener? If anything, they should pick up the pace, or at least add something to make it seem livelier like some congas.

Yea, live congas, ala Hyde 1969. Hey, sounds like an easy gig/conga opener for the Stones.Hairball, after me (ha) I want you to win the free Nanterre RS show.Another thread you wrote 'glowing reports'what if the reporter is not actually making descriptions of the band,rather the experience left the ticket holder glowing?

Is it just me, or has Ronnie gone from the other guy to maybe the greatest guy in rock? He is always working, he seems incredibly personable, he has been a huge part of so many great pieces of rock n' roll. Sure, Ronnie is well known, but he still seems underrated. I become more impressed with Mr. Wood by the day...esp. in the offseason, when he's the only one still working. I haven't even touched on his painting.

I used to think (when I was a teenager) Ronnie was a goof who could hold his own. Now I think Ronnie is an incredible talent that I just can't get enough of. sure, it'll always be the Glimmer Twins, but Ronnie just may be what is keeping the Stones rocking. He is just an amazing talent...I hope he can keep it up at this level another 5+ years. He is a treasure trove of talent.

Great find! This is actually very interesting - it shows, that from the concept, there are two layouts of the No Filter Pit - with one central catwalk and with two catwalks on both sides. My guess is, that for some shows (possibly where there are no seats on the floor) we will get the "real" pit.

QuoteFillmoreIn the run of this tour, not everybody will like everything he or she gets to see or hear. And they will write about that in this forum. In my opinion that has not necessarily to do with a “bashing” of any kind. I will not take part in posting mean things towards my favourite band. I don´t mean to bore you, but that is important to me.

That said, the Hamburg-gig was simply amazing. Nothing short of it. And it had it´s special moments, i.e. solos starting on an unusual fret of Mr Richards guitar´s fingerboard. That´s not bashing. That is being there with all senses instead of just “being there (and being seen)”. I said it before, SFTD is a brilliant opener – just as many other songs would be. The first sound you wanna hear in a Stones concert is not necessarily a drumloop – or Chuck L. Great start anyway. Maybe even here a slightly slower version would even improve the groove – again just my five cents. SMU was my favourite, but so what – again no bashing.Everybody changes, thank god. I start really liking Mick Jagger (after already having spent thousands of Euros over the years in order to hear “his” band)! He is so g r e a t! Same with the man from “Straight Outta Dartford”. The Man. No more words needed. Ronnie changes as well, he´s going through the roof. Mr Watts is the “Roll” in R n´R, the center that seems to hold everything together. Even in red socks, sharped dressed Charles.

Just because I am not one of those who would drink the water the Rolling Stones take a bath in, doesn´t mean I don´t love what they do! I do love all they do, especially on stage. And after Hamburg I´m sure we have a lot to expect. Get ´em while you can.

See you tomorrow in MUC – and take care everybody. (today´s a cruel date for me, all my love goes to Manhattan today)

Cheers, Fillmore

Good points overall! And I totally agree about the text I bolded. Slower versions often make a better groove.

A slower version of Sympathy...slower than it already is? The life is already sucked out of it with the drum loops and the plodding tempo.How would making it slower help? Especially if it's going to be played as the opener? If anything, they should pick up the pace, or at least add something to make it seem livelier like some congas.

Yea, live congas, ala Hyde 1969. Hey, sounds like an easy gig/conga opener for the Stones.Hairball, after me (ha) I want you to win the free Nanterre RS show.Another thread you wrote 'glowing reports'what if the reporter is not actually making descriptions of the band,rather the experience left the ticket holder glowing?

What i tried to express is, that i could imagine an even groovier version of SFTD than the one i heard in Hamburg. Probably not a starter-song anymore then, but why not live congas? Groove rules. Quality doesn´t always improve with speed (ask your partners ).Don´t worry, i´m still on fire and cannot wait to get to the stadium this afternoon.

I just listened at random to a sampling of the first 10 seconds or so of some of the songs from Hamburg the other night and I have a question for the guitarists in the audience:

What is going on?

Is it just me or is it becoming almost possible to hear the first few notes of songs like IORR, GS, BS, JJF, TD and not be entirely sure what song is beginning?

If you agree with this observation, what is its main cause? Misplayed notes, mis-timed playing, omitted notes? Something else? Is it just taking the band a little longer to "lock into" whatever song they are playing?

I don't want to draw any conclusions overall about the playing in Hamburg from online videos but I was struck by the chords being hit opening up some of the uptempo warhorses.

It is a bit funny, but not a big problem to identify immediately those songs. To my ears it's more of an interesting way of presentation, than a mistake. At least it is something different than the usual thing.

QuotebenoIt is a bit funny, but not a big problem to identify immediately those songs. To my ears it's more of an interesting way of presentation, than a mistake. At least it is something different than the usual thing.

Ok, it's probably me. i just found some of the beginnings tentative to the point of confusion.

Great find! This is actually very interesting - it shows, that from the concept, there are two layouts of the No Filter Pit - with one central catwalk and with two catwalks on both sides. My guess is, that for some shows (possibly where there are no seats on the floor) we will get the "real" pit.

I don't understand- are there two separate stage designs, or was the square pit rejected and replaced with the catwalk/modified B-stage we saw in Hamburg?

I have just read Dean Goodman's review of the Hamburg gig and I find it unbelievable that anyone would think "Sympathy For The Devil" was a "crap", "boring" & "outdated" song...!!I personally think it is a Stones classic and a great choice for the opener.. I am amazed at the things some people come out with...!!!

I don't remember they toured Europe this late in the year before, and judging by theyoutube videos, I must say it is really cool to see them starting after daylight is gone.The big screens, the fireworks, the lighting, it all creates a great atmosphere rightfrom the start.

QuotemarcovandereijkI don't remember they toured Europe this late in the year before, and judging by theyoutube videos, I must say it is really cool to see them starting after daylight is gone.The big screens, the fireworks, the lighting, it all creates a great atmosphere rightfrom the start.

QuoteLongBeachArena72I just listened at random to a sampling of the first 10 seconds or so of some of the songs from Hamburg the other night and I have a question for the guitarists in the audience:

What is going on?

Is it just me or is it becoming almost possible to hear the first few notes of songs like IORR, GS, BS, JJF, TD and not be entirely sure what song is beginning?

If you agree with this observation, what is its main cause? Misplayed notes, mis-timed playing, omitted notes? Something else? Is it just taking the band a little longer to "lock into" whatever song they are playing?

I don't want to draw any conclusions overall about the playing in Hamburg from online videos but I was struck by the chords being hit opening up some of the uptempo warhorses.

QuotemarcovandereijkI don't remember they toured Europe this late in the year before, and judging by theyoutube videos, I must say it is really cool to see them starting after daylight is gone.The big screens, the fireworks, the lighting, it all creates a great atmosphere rightfrom the start.

They did in 1973 but that was another era (indoor arenas and no screens) which can't be compared by this one.

QuotemarcovandereijkI don't remember they toured Europe this late in the year before, and judging by theyoutube videos, I must say it is really cool to see them starting after daylight is gone.The big screens, the fireworks, the lighting, it all creates a great atmosphere rightfrom the start.

They did in 1973 but that was another era (indoor arenas and no screens) which can't be compared by this one.