Ubaldo Jimenez has been traded from the Rockies to the Indians for pitching prospects Drew Pomeranz and Alex White and first base prospect Matt McBride, according to the Denver Post's Troy Renck.Ubaldo, 27, has registered a 4.20 ERA and 1.34 WHIP in 20 starts this season. Jimenez is under contract through 2014 at a reasonable rate. All three Indians prospects were scratched from Saturday's game for Double-A Akron. Pomeranz, a 2010 first-round pick and the Indians top prospect, is the prize of the deal. He had a 1.87 ERA and 95/32 K/BB ratio over 77 innings for High-A Kingston before his promotion earlier this month and a 2.57 ERA over three starts at Double-A. Pomeranz might be ready for the big leagues at some point during the 2012 season. White, selected 15th overall in 2009, had a 3.60 ERA and 13/9 K/BB ratio over 15 innings in the majors before he hit the disabled list with a finger injury. McBride is 26 and has just an .811 career OPS in 2,342 games.

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bac5665 wrote:I have no problem getting Jimenez, but it's just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic without a real bat in the lineup. We have no one right now and if we're getting Jimenez then we won't have the ability to get that bat. And we need that bat or the rest doesn't matter.

Again, this move is for the duration of the window. They are banking on Choo, Santana, Chiz and Kip making it happen. Next year and the year after are more what this deal is for than this year.

The Indians can't suddenly give up on Santana and Choo. Frankly, they can't really even give up on Sizemore. There's nobody else there to slot into the positions. Santana either becomes Victor Martinez or this franchise won't win in 2012 and 2013. Choo has to be the old Choo or they won't win. Hafner has to stay healthy or they won't win.

TribeinLA wrote:This deal just might have fallen through. Why would he even still be at the ballpark in SD?

My theory is it puts some presure on the Indians to make the deal. The fans are primed for the move and even if they're against it the thought of getting a big catch and the having it wriggle off the hook is really bad PR for the TRibe.

Ubaldo is a stud pitcher NOW (and under team control for 2 1/2 years) White topped out with the most optimistic projections as a #2-3. Pomeranz is still a ways a way, but he could be the guy that makes this deal look bad in the future (That Kazmir trade from the Mets a few years ago for an aging vet is worst case, but Ubaldo isn't aging).

We may keep sinking like a rock this year. But have we lost anything to compete next year? Rookie pitchers usually take longer to develop than rookie hitters, so in the "window" of contention I'd rather have a stud ace, than inconsistent prospects. Finally down the road 2013 we can easily trade Ubaldo (barring injury) at the deadline and reload prospects.

Prospects are just that, and we have burned by so many in the past (Miller, Marte, LaPorta just to name a few recent ones that I'd rather have the sure thing.

bac5665 wrote:I have no problem getting Jimenez, but it's just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic without a real bat in the lineup. We have no one right now and if we're getting Jimenez then we won't have the ability to get that bat. And we need that bat or the rest doesn't matter.

Again, this move is for the duration of the window. They are banking on Choo, Santana, Chiz and Kip making it happen. Next year and the year after are more what this deal is for than this year.

And I'm with you on that. I don't have any faith on anyone but Choo of those players making any progress. I hope they do. All I'm saying is that I'd take a power bat over a pitcher right now 10 times out of 10. If we couldn't do that, fine, but then I just don't think this trade will make any difference when it matters.

bac5665 wrote:I have no problem getting Jimenez, but it's just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic without a real bat in the lineup. We have no one right now and if we're getting Jimenez then we won't have the ability to get that bat. And we need that bat or the rest doesn't matter.

Again, this move is for the duration of the window. They are banking on Choo, Santana, Chiz and Kip making it happen. Next year and the year after are more what this deal is for than this year.

And I'm with you on that. I don't have any faith on anyone but Choo of those players making any progress. I hope they do. All I'm saying is that I'd take a power bat over a pitcher right now 10 times out of 10. If we couldn't do that, fine, but then I just don't think this trade will make any difference when it matters.

I'm the opposite. If they traded Pomeranz and White for a bat, I'd be the one sounding like a Southern Baptist End of the World preacher.

Dellucci TailGator wrote:I'm the opposite. If they traded Pomeranz and White for a bat, I'd be the one sounding like a Southern Baptist End of the World preacher.

Really? After this season, I have faith in our pitching to get us there. I've seen enough to think that White could have helped us now and from what we're hearing Pom maybe next year. Masterson, CarCar and Tomlin seem like the core of a solid rotation.

On the other side of that, there is Choo. That's it. And Choo's having his worst season in years. We've been saying we'll have a good offense every year since 2007 and it's been worse and worse every year. I just have no faith at all left in our offense. None.

FortheWin wrote:Rockies are refusing to let a team give a physical to Ubaldo.

Whats wrong with him?

Another reason I'm not on board. If he's so young and affordable, why aren't they building around him? Hell, they can control him a year longer than we can. That's why this trade concerns me...I'm not at all convinced it's worth the risk.

FortheWin wrote:Rockies are refusing to let a team give a physical to Ubaldo.

Whats wrong with him?

Another reason I'm not on board. If he's so young and affordable, why aren't they building around him? Hell, they can control him a year longer than we can. That's why this trade concerns me...I'm not at all convinced it's worth the risk.

They missed their shot after having it for a few years and are loading up for another run in a couple years.

I think there are real reasons to be concerned with his loss in velocity and just why the Rockies are trading him.

I'm trusting that the Indians' front office has investigated this.

Once reports earlier this month leaked that they were shopping him, it makes it tough to keep a guy around. I'm not sure they really thought they were going to trade him in mid-July, but when someone offers Pomeranz and White, you listen.

If they make the trade and his arm blows up, I file it in the same folder as the 1996 Jack McDowell deal. It didn't work out but it was worth the chance taken. If Black Jack's arm holds up, the Indians have an ace to add to that tremendous offense. It didn't. I don't think John Hart regrets taking that chance.

FortheWin wrote:Rockies are refusing to let a team give a physical to Ubaldo.

Whats wrong with him?

Another reason I'm not on board. If he's so young and affordable, why aren't they building around him? Hell, they can control him a year longer than we can. That's why this trade concerns me...I'm not at all convinced it's worth the risk.

They missed their shot after having it for a few years and are loading up for another run in a couple years.

Stop making shit up.

They've also got Tulowitzki, Carlos Gonzalez, and others. A better offense than ours. Not like they're barren. Could very easily be back in it next year. Why give up your ace?

I do think it's a shitty thing the Rockies are doing to him right now. You pull the guy and if the deal doesn't get done you throw him tomorrow night. I can' imagine trying to pitch while wondering where you're going to be living tomorrow.

FortheWin wrote:Rockies are refusing to let a team give a physical to Ubaldo.

Whats wrong with him?

Another reason I'm not on board. If he's so young and affordable, why aren't they building around him? Hell, they can control him a year longer than we can. That's why this trade concerns me...I'm not at all convinced it's worth the risk.

They missed their shot after having it for a few years and are loading up for another run in a couple years.

Stop making shit up.

They've also got Tulowitzki, Carlos Gonzalez, and others. A better offense than ours. Not like they're barren. Could very easily be back in it next year. Why give up your ace?

I'm not making "shit" up. Just citing major concerns.

The rockies think otherwise as it has been reported by everyone and their mother every player on the roster not name Tulo or Gonzalez is available.

FortheWin wrote:Rockies are refusing to let a team give a physical to Ubaldo.

Whats wrong with him?

Another reason I'm not on board. If he's so young and affordable, why aren't they building around him? Hell, they can control him a year longer than we can. That's why this trade concerns me...I'm not at all convinced it's worth the risk.

They missed their shot after having it for a few years and are loading up for another run in a couple years.

Stop making shit up.

They've also got Tulowitzki, Carlos Gonzalez, and others. A better offense than ours. Not like they're barren. Could very easily be back in it next year. Why give up your ace?

I'm not making "shit" up. Just citing major concerns.

The rockies think otherwise as it has been reported by everyone and their mother every player on the roster not name Tulo or Gonzalez is available.

Stop making shit up.

Yeah, and just as many people don't get why that's the case. If they're not available, why is their ace who they can control for three more years?

Stop jumping on everything I say. I'm not the only one who's not on board. Check some of the twitter feeds and you'll find plenty of baseball people questioning this, as well.

They had those two locked up and plan to build around them. Pitchers in this day and age don't lock themselves up early like that. It's why aces get dealt.

I don't care if you don't like it, stop making up bullshit reasons to not like it.

That's not making up a bullshit reason. They can control him for THREE more years. That's a long time. Longer than we're getting. I would be pissed if we'd had traded away CC three years early...so would everyone else. With the talent they've got, they could contend again next year, let alone through 2014. Just a very odd move for them, and it makes me suspicious.