Strongbeerrules:Maybe they should smoke a bowl to take their mind off their problems. Hope they don't get the munchies, though.

Cannabis seeds have a huge amount of nutritional value for their size.

"Seeds of the plant cannabis sativa, hemp seed, contain all the essential amino acids and essential fatty acids necessary to maintain healthy human life. No other single plant source has the essential amino acids in such an easily digestible form, nor has the essential fatty acids in as perfect a ratio to meet human nutritional needs."

NobleHam:slackwater: By all means celebrate the use of crop land, water and other limited earth resources that could be used to feed the hungry being used to create recreational adult beverages.

Enjoy your booze after all it is just starving "brown people"

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Buzzkill. There's enough food and water for everyone it's just poorly allocated. I do hope you don't eat anything organic, though, if you're so concerned about cropland.

The amount cropland under cultivation per captia has shown a steady decrease world wide along with decreased productivity. At the same time if current population trends continue we will need to produce 70% more food by 2050. Yet we are using cropland to grow fuel for vehicles, booze and even recreational drug use. None of this is the best use of a diminishing resource.

slackwater:NobleHam: slackwater: By all means celebrate the use of crop land, water and other limited earth resources that could be used to feed the hungry being used to create recreational adult beverages.

Enjoy your booze after all it is just starving "brown people"

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Buzzkill. There's enough food and water for everyone it's just poorly allocated. I do hope you don't eat anything organic, though, if you're so concerned about cropland.

The amount cropland under cultivation per captia has shown a steady decrease world wide along with decreased productivity. At the same time if current population trends continue we will need to produce 70% more food by 2050. Yet we are using cropland to grow fuel for vehicles, booze and even recreational drug use. None of this is the best use of a diminishing resource.

UN: farmers must produce 70% more food by 2050 to feed population

World Population, Agriculture, and Malnutrition

Then there is water. In China and India alone, the demand for water will exceed supplies in about 20 years

"With about one billion more mouths to feed worldwide by 2025, global agriculture alone will require another 1,000 cubic kilometers (one trillion cubic meters) of water per year."

World water crisis must be top UN priority: report

You really think we can afford to be using our resources for beer, pot or filling swimming pools?

slackwater:You really think we can afford to be using our resources for beer, pot or filling swimming pools?

Cannabis uses a negligible amount of water compared to the other things you mentioned, they don't even belong in the same sentence. To make beer, you have to cultivate barley and hops crops. Crops require water to grow, not to mention the beer itself is mainly composed of water.

Why are you here typing on Fark anyway? Shouldnt you be out panhandling for the salvation army or volunteering for a charitable cause?

jigger:What's weird is that right after the revolution, many of the 13 states revoked women's right to vote.

Probably because they realized women would vote for whomever offered them the most "free stuff". And by free stuff I mean paid for by tax payers. This reduced the chance of incumbents looting the treasury to buy votes.

Prohibition was and is absolutely ridiculous. As someone has already said, the bill of rights should never be seen as limiting the rights of the people, but instead should always protect their rights from government intrusion.

Nope, that was the Temperance movement, led primarily by southern baptist ministers like Rev. Howard Hyde Russell of the Anti-Saloon League.it was the wimmins that pushed the hardest for Prohibition's repeal, due to the increase in crime, including the Women's Moderation Union, the Women's Organization for National Prohibition Reform, the Women's Committee for Repeal, the Molly Pitcher Club, etc.

Hey, I'm just going off the Ken Burns documentary.

The reason the camera is constantly zooming like that is because the operator is drunk and can't quite make out the details.

I have pictures somewhere of my grand parents and great-uncle (in his police uniform) holding up glasses toasting that moment. They were drinking at a speak easy one minute and a respectable bar the next

Carn:Doe, the stuff, that buys me beerRay, the guy who brings me beerMe, the guy who drinks the beerFa, a long long way for beerSo, I think I'll have a beerLa, la la la la la beerTea, no thanks I'll have a beerAnd that brings us back to beer!

bmr68:I have pictures somewhere of my grand parents and great-uncle (in his police uniform) holding up glasses toasting that moment. They were drinking at a speak easy one minute and a respectable bar the next

Does that mean pot dealers will be reputable businessmen (and women) the moment full decriminalization passes? After all they would be the coveted small-business owners the Republican party caters to, right?

Surprising number of "bedfellows" on Prohibition: Temperence leagues, racists, moralists of all stripes. Read the excellent book Last Call by Daniel Okrent for insight on the many attempts at prohibition, it's impact on the Amercian landscape, how it touched everything from the federal income tax to the creation of jazz.

Gonz:It's always amazed me how quickly America's breweries and distilleries were able to get back to production after being idle or retooled for legal goods for so long.

Thankfully the process must have been simple to remember, since the master distillers all came back to making good product after a dry spell.

Actually Prohibition killed off a very large portion of our countries small breweries and led the way for the big guys to dominate. In the last 30ish years, we are finally seeing a resurgence of regional smaller breweries returning, with much higher quality beer. Back in the 19th centruy, almost any decent sized city had at least one brewery.

But yes, the ones that survived did manage to get on their feet rather quickly...

Nope, that was the Temperance movement, led primarily by southern baptist ministers like Rev. Howard Hyde Russell of the Anti-Saloon League.it was the wimmins that pushed the hardest for Prohibition's repeal, due to the increase in crime, including the Women's Moderation Union, the Women's Organization for National Prohibition Reform, the Women's Committee for Repeal, the Molly Pitcher Club, etc.

Women were supportive of prohibition because alcoholic men were seen as the cause of ruined families.

NYT's summary of Okrent:

Believing that women were more likely than men to support restrictions on alcohol, these leaders strongly supported women's suffrage. And when America entered World War I in 1917, they helped fan the flames of anti-German hysteria by accusing the Busch family and other brewers of harboring sympathies for the kaiser (a charge, not entirely untrue, that turned beer drinking into a disloyal act).

Carn:Gonz: It's always amazed me how quickly America's breweries and distilleries were able to get back to production after being idle or retooled for legal goods for so long.

Thankfully the process must have been simple to remember, since the master distillers all came back to making good product after a dry spell.

Actually Prohibition killed off a very large portion of our countries small breweries and led the way for the big guys to dominate. In the last 30ish years, we are finally seeing a resurgence of regional smaller breweries returning, with much higher quality beer. Back in the 19th centruy, almost any decent sized city had at least one brewery.

But yes, the ones that survived did manage to get on their feet rather quickly...

slackwater:The amount cropland under cultivation per captia has shown a steady decrease world wide along with decreased productivity. At the same time if current population trends continue we will need to produce 70% more food by 2050. Yet we are using cropland to grow fuel for vehicles, booze and even recreational drug use. None of this is the best use of a diminishing resource.

SquiggsIN:bmr68: I have pictures somewhere of my grand parents and great-uncle (in his police uniform) holding up glasses toasting that moment. They were drinking at a speak easy one minute and a respectable bar the next

Does that mean pot dealers will be reputable businessmen (and women) the moment full decriminalization passes? After all they would be the coveted small-business owners the Republican party caters to, right?

If it was a legal business then I could see that happening. FYI: Marijuana was criminalized by the FDR administration in 1937

Interestingly enough, no data suggests there was a surge in alcoholism following the repeal. Since this is one of the key arguments made by people still in favor of the drug war, I thought I'd point that out. All it the Amendment did was curb violence, produce revenue, and lighten the load on law enforcement/courts. Unthinkable!

Alcohol is available in every corner store (or specialty shop, depending on where you live). It doesn't mean you have to go there and get loaded. The majority of people treat it as an indulgence. I think you'll find this is how responsible adults new to the smoking world will treat legal marijuana. Those who already smoke regularly were going to keep smoking, anyway. A nationwide repeal would mean it's just a matter of sauntering down to the store instead of waiting for your guy who never shows up when he says he will.

bmr68:SquiggsIN: bmr68: I have pictures somewhere of my grand parents and great-uncle (in his police uniform) holding up glasses toasting that moment. They were drinking at a speak easy one minute and a respectable bar the next

Does that mean pot dealers will be reputable businessmen (and women) the moment full decriminalization passes? After all they would be the coveted small-business owners the Republican party caters to, right?

If it was a legal business then I could see that happening. FYI: Marijuana was criminalized by the FDR administration in 1937

I've been told that the average illegal drug dealer couldn't run a dry cleaner shop, so you might actually destroy tens of thousands of small businesses by making it possible for proper business people to operate against them.

My dad's grandfather was a bootlegger in addtion to other various pursuits. My moms grandfather was a cop who got kidnapped by the Purple Gang in Detroit. They eventually let him go. So Im getting a kick.

pic of great grandpa Buck. The bootlegger and philanderer. He got hit by a bus on the way to see mistress. True story.

wildcardjack:I've been told that the average illegal drug dealer couldn't run a dry cleaner shop, so you might actually destroy tens of thousands of small businesses by making it possible for proper business people to operate against them.

The average drug dealer might make minimum wage, and the risk factor can be huge for just those wages.

We've been led to believe that most drug dealers are thuggish villains who lay around doing nothing while piles of cash accumulate around them. These types must make up less than a single percent of all drug dealers. I bought thousands and thousands of dollars worth of drugs from about ~200-~2010, pot meth coke shrooms acid ecstasy and even heroin once, you name it, Ive probably done it at least once. In that process I met countless dealers.

If your dealer doesn't hold a "legit" job, your dealer probably doesnt even own his own house. Either his roomies paid for it, he inherited it, the drug fairy apparated it, etc. But most drug dealers simply do not have the resources to get by in this world nowadays, from just drug revenue. And its not hard to see why. Getting by is hard as fuhk if you don't have an excellent job.

If I were to see a drug dealer on TV, he would be sitting at a desk covered with nice things, flanked by thugs, in the company of beautiful women. This is NOT how it happens, EVER. If you gave me $100 right now and told me to buy you drug X, Id be headed to the low income housing areas to meet shady little Paco Drugdealer in the alley. Even if I were to drive into the ritzier areas, Id be buying pills from people still living with their parents, or rooming with other peers. While there ARE some people who get by growing house fulls of pot plants, or moving kilos of coke, or boats of pills, etc, they are the exceedingly small majority.

You cant just assume just any dealer would be able to run a business, of any kind. Most of the drug dealers I knew in my lifetime would fail with the pressures of even a small business.

Onkel Buck:My dad's grandfather was a bootlegger in addtion to other various pursuits. My moms grandfather was a cop who got kidnapped by the Purple Gang in Detroit. They eventually let him go. So Im getting a kick.

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Onkel Buck:My dad's grandfather was a bootlegger in addtion to other various pursuits. My moms grandfather was a cop who got kidnapped by the Purple Gang in Detroit. They eventually let him go. So Im getting a kick.

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D_Evans45:wildcardjack: I've been told that the average illegal drug dealer couldn't run a dry cleaner shop, so you might actually destroy tens of thousands of small businesses by making it possible for proper business people to operate against them.

The average drug dealer might make minimum wage, and the risk factor can be huge for just those wages.

We've been led to believe that most drug dealers are thuggish villains who lay around doing nothing while piles of cash accumulate around them. These types must make up less than a single percent of all drug dealers. I bought thousands and thousands of dollars worth of drugs from about ~200-~2010, pot meth coke shrooms acid ecstasy and even heroin once, you name it, Ive probably done it at least once. In that process I met countless dealers.

If your dealer doesn't hold a "legit" job, your dealer probably doesnt even own his own house. Either his roomies paid for it, he inherited it, the drug fairy apparated it, etc. But most drug dealers simply do not have the resources to get by in this world nowadays, from just drug revenue. And its not hard to see why. Getting by is hard as fuhk if you don't have an excellent job.

If I were to see a drug dealer on TV, he would be sitting at a desk covered with nice things, flanked by thugs, in the company of beautiful women. This is NOT how it happens, EVER. If you gave me $100 right now and told me to buy you drug X, Id be headed to the low income housing areas to meet shady little Paco Drugdealer in the alley. Even if I were to drive into the ritzier areas, Id be buying pills from people still living with their parents, or rooming with other peers. While there ARE some people who get by growing house fulls of pot plants, or moving kilos of coke, or boats of pills, etc, they are the exceedingly small majority.

You cant just assume just any dealer would be able to run a business, of any kind. Most of the drug dealers I knew in my lifetime would fail with the pressures of even a small b ...

Onkel Buck:My dad's grandfather was a bootlegger in addtion to other various pursuits. My moms grandfather was a cop who got kidnapped by the Purple Gang in Detroit. They eventually let him go. So Im getting a kick.

pic of great grandpa Buck. The bootlegger and philanderer. He got hit by a bus on the way to see mistress. True story.[i26.photobucket.com image 320x213]