If you need a bodyguard, it's too late. You have
to make them not want to shoot you.Benjamin Fulford

The son of a Canadian diplomat, Benjamin Fulford rebelled against his
upbringing and at the age of 17 made his way by boat into the heart of the
Amazon to live with a tribe of former cannibals. Continuing to seek answers
and better understand Western society, he spent time in a self-sufficient
community in Argentina before heading to attend university in Japan.

Principled, brave, and still a diehard idealist after all these years, he
resigned as Asia-Pacific Bureau Chief of Forbes Magazine after investigating
a scandal which the editor refused to report. As he researched global
affairs further in his own time, he uncovered for himself the complex web
which is global financial control at the hands of the
Rockefellers and the
Rothschilds - and also the existence of racially targeted bio-weapons such as
SARS.

It was these plans for global depopulation that upset some important and
powerful factions in Japan, Taiwan and China. After being approached by a
real-life, present-day Ninja, matters came to a head in 2007 when Benjamin
became the first Westerner for 500 years to be admitted into the ranks of
the Eastern Secret Societies, a vast group with six million members. Acting
as their spokesman, he stepped up to the plate to deliver a simple message
to the Illuminati:

Recognize that your time is over, step down without a fight, and allow the
world to thrive as it should - or face the consequences from up to 100,000
professional assassins for whom no love is lost towards the self-styled
ruling elite of the planet.

This was first communicated through Dr Henry Makow and Jeff Rense in July
2007.

Project Camelot has now traveled to Japan to meet with Benjamin Fulford personally. Our comprehensive interview presents the far-reaching
and literally incredible background story - and will also enable the
Illuminati, who we have every confidence watch our videos carefully, to be
reminded that the ultimatum is real, serious, and still in force.

Armed also with a contagiously optimistic vision of the future, Benjamin is
fully prepared to be the next Finance Minister for Japan.

His plans for how
he would spend Japan's $5 trillion of foreign reserves to eliminate global
poverty are plausible and inspiring as practical steps, way beyond rhetoric,
to repair the generations of damage done by a ruthless ruling elite. This is
a man with a deep understanding of both East and West, a global economic
historian who thinks way outside of the box, a lover of peace who is
unafraid to speak warrior words.

In this comprehensive three part video,

Parts 1 and 2 focus on global
financial history and Benjamin's most interesting personal story leading up
to his approach by the Ninja

Benjamin Fulford: Mr. Takenaka was telling me that he was forced to do
it because the United States threatened to hit Japan with HAARP if they
didn't. OK?

Kerry Cassidy: And what would have been the impact of that? Tell us what
that meant to Japan.

Fulford: Earthquake.

... So I asked him: Is this true? (And I have this on tape, too) He
said: Yes. In order to protect the environment we need to reduce the
world's population to 2 billion. And war just doesn't do it, so we're
going to try to use disease and starvation.

... I use “Rockefeller” as an abbreviation for this group of inbred
aristocratic families - the American side versus the European side.
The
Bushes are part of it, for example.

... He had two rings. [Holding up right hand balled into a fist] One was
the mask of a devil with horns and [holding up left hand balled into
fist] the other looked like a wedding ring. And he'd go like this -
[thrusts right fist toward camera while raising left hand with open palm
toward camera] and there was a Freemason mark [on the open palm]. And he
says: These horns, just put a little bit of poison... and touch me and
I'd be dead. And he tells me he's a Ninja, which is a professional
assassin.

... He says to me: Mr. Fulford, if you want to be a muck-raking
journalist, go ahead and do so, but you will die at age 46. However (and
he gives me a big Freemason badge), he says: If you don't, you have a
choice. You can become Finance Minister of Japan. OK? So he's offering
me a choice of death or the job of Finance Minister.

... So that's how we describe it. We're looting these peoples' money but
we're not going to kill them, you know. And he said the population of Japan
would be reduced to 70 million. They'd allow 70 million to live. And
they need about 500 million Asians to keep making toys and stuff? He's
describing, you know, massive genocide.

... I guess a lot of people of the very elite... I'm sure it happens to
Mr. Obama and Mr. Clinton and anybody else at the high levels of US
politics, senators, whatever. Someday they're given the same kind of
ultimatum: Death or cooperation- so either you join us or you die. And
that's how they manage to control the United States and enslave the
American people.

... I had this great, what I call my “Kill Bill” moment. There's a scene
in the movie “Kill Bill,” these two women fighting with swords. It looks
like it's going to be a long, nasty fight? You're not going to be sure who's
the winner. Right? But one of the women (the bad one) has one eye
missing. She has a patch. Suddenly she grabs the [other] eye and blinds
her and ends the fight.

Kerry: Yeah. Unbelievable. Very, very graphic.

Fulford: Very graphic, but I thought: Hey, why not just target the Eye
of the Pyramid? Because most westerners don't even know it exists.

... I realized the Society has 6,000,000 members and the western Secret
Society, the top has only 10,000. So it's 6,000,000 against 10,000. So
suddenly I said: Well, that's it! We've got these bastards.

... I became the first westerner in 500 years to join.

Kerry: Did you have a body guard at that point? Did you hire someone?

Fulford: [sighs] No. If you need a body guard, it's too late. You have to
operate at a higher level. I mean, if they really want to shoot me,
they're going to shoot me. You have to make them not want to shoot you.

... The key to democracy is control over money by the people, not by a
secret elite. It's the money that counts. If you lose control of your
money, hand it over to people you can't see, you're a slave. That's what
you have to remember. Never, ever again, let some secret power elite
take control of your money away from you.

... You know, if they're
going to try to kill billions of people, then
we're going to have to kill 10,000 people in order to prevent that. It's
necessary. And the arrangements have been made.

Start of interview

I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot, and we're really pleased to be
here with Ben Fulford today, former Bureau Chief, Asia-Pacific, for
Forbes Magazine, which is really fabulous. You did that for six years, I
understand.

BF: Yes, about six.

KC: And you've been living and working as a writer and journalist in
Japan for 20 years?

BF: More than that. I first came in 1980. I went to university here.

KC: Oh I didn't know that. So, you went to the University of Tokyo, or
what's it called?

BF: Maybe I should give you a brief background. I was born in Ottawa,
Canada in 1961 and when I was six months old, my family moved to Cuba.
My father was a Canadian diplomat.

KC: Right. OK.

BF: He was kicked out by Castro, because he was helping all these
refugees escape. Then I lived in Mexico till I was 8. And from 8 to
about 16 I lived in Canada. I went to a French school. So I grew up
speaking 3 languages.

KC: So you spoke Spanish.

BF: And English as a child, and then French. From middle school on, it
was all in French.

KC: All right.

BF: Um... and then, you know, I was at the tail-end of the hippy era and
I was picking up these echoes from the past as to what was the street
wisdom, as opposed to what we were learning in school. And the word was
that if you went to university they would just brainwash you into being
a consumer, and that, you know, there was something wrong with the world
that the grownups had made. It was sort of the zeitgeist at the time.
Right? And that if I went to university I would also be brainwashed, so
I decided to escape. I went to the Amazon and lived with the Shipibo
Indians.

KC: How old were you at that time?

BF: 17.

KC: Really? I mean, that's incredibly gutsy to do something like that...
The Amazon!

BF: Well, actually, they were former cannibals.

KC: Yeah? But...

BF: Well, yeah, I had a lot of hair-raising experiences - a machine gun
to my head, I got nearly eaten by a bear, got chased by wolves, all that
sort of...

KC: So you went to the Amazon. You're 17 years old, and you're not going
to college. Did your parents have a problem with that?

BF: Well, what could they do? I mean, I physically left and disappeared.
So, you know...

KC: So you were just very independent from a young age?

BF: Yeah, I think I sort of... I was spending nights out in the
wilderness alone from around age 12 and stuff. For me, I was just really
itching to GO.

KC: Did your Fulford name... We know about, like, your grandfather was
this very well-known Fulford. Was your family considered part of the
ruling class in Canada at that point or not?

BF: Well, sure. I mean, my great-grandfather was, you know, what would
be today a billionaire and a Senator. And my grandfather was an MP, a
Member of Parliament for about 20 years and my father was ambassador to
different countries.

KC: So you would be considered something of a “child of the elite” at
that point?

BF: Sure. At the same time, I had a very unusual upbringing and we were
taught from a very young age, you know, to have a lot of empathy. And I
was very disturbed by things I saw as a child in Mexico. I mean, extreme
poverty. I'll never forget when I was 7. I met this kid on the street.
We played and talked. He was the same height as me and about the same,
you know, mental level. And it turned out he was 12.

I asked my mother: How can that be? And she said: Well, he doesn't have
enough food to eat. And I said: How could such a thing be allowed to
happen? It's happening right now to billions of people. They're not
allowed to develop their human potential. They're not getting adequate
education, adequate nutrition, medical care, NOTHING. I mean, it's a
shame that such things are allowed to happen.

At the same time, when I was in the Amazon, you know, it was beautiful
virgin forest, but they told me that in about 5 years it would be gone
because the loggers were coming. So I said: Well, what's out there
that's destroying nature and leaving so many people to suffer? How can
this be?

And to me it was clear that (and this is what you get in a disturbed
world, in the street, at the poor level), there's something wrong with
the way the westerners were running the planet.

And so I decided finally after about 3-1/2 years of traveling and
adventures... You know, to compensate for not going to university, I
read all the holy books, the Koran, the Bible, Confucius, Lao Tzu, the
Bhagavad-Gita, etcetera etcetera.

KC: Great. So, were you studying Eastern philosophy before you came to
Japan?

BF: Well, the mystic stuff. You know meditating, and...

KC: I mean, like the I Ching? Have you read that?

BF: Sure. Yeah. All that kind of stuff. And, you know, the word on the
street level was that something would have to come from the East to help
society. So I finally decided I would go to university in Japan. It was
a choice between India, China, and Japan, and for various reasons I
chose Japan.

KC: Did you know at that point you were going into economics? I'm
assuming that was, maybe, your major?

BF: I just wanted to learn. I didn't think about majors and jobs. In
fact, I took every subject there is. I took economics, sociology,
anthropology, math, biology, you name it. I took at least up to 3rd year
level in all the courses, in all the subjects.

KC: Did you graduate with a degree?

BF: I eventually got a degree from the University of British Columbia in
Asian Studies with a China area specialty.

KC: Mm. So you went to British Columbia.

BF: I went to Sophia University in Japan for 3-1/2 years. I took, as I
say, about 8 years' worth of undergraduate courses, way more than I
needed.

KC: How did you learn Japanese?

BF: Well, two ways. I took a two-month intensive course at the
University of British Columbia before coming, and then I arrived in
Japan. I spent 3 days at a Japanese school and I said: This is useless.
I got a job as a bartender in a bar run by a gangster.

It was from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. It was the sort of place where they had
fights and sometimes people come in naked, kind of the lowest level of
Japan you could find, basically. But the good thing about the bartending
job for learning the language is that drunks keep saying the same thing
over and over again, so eventually you pick it up! [Kerry laughs]

Also I went to what is called “Futon University.” I had a girlfriend who
didn't speak English.

Kerry: [laughs] Oh, OK...

BF: So it was a combination. I would sort of speak like a cross between
a gangster and a transvestite, you know, either very womanly or very low
level street talk.

KC: At this point, that's how you're describing your ability to speak
the Japanese language? That's hilarious.

BF: I was more or less able to carry on a full conversation after about
6 months.

KC: Wow. That's great. So do you write Japanese at all? Can you read it?

BF: I've written, I think, over a dozen books in Japanese, many of them
best-sellers.

KC: Oh, right. And I have to know - are your books available in
English? Because we'd love to read that.

BF: No. No. I haven't actually... [long expulsion of breath] I
deliberately switched to Japanese a few years ago, after I left Forbes,
because I knew that I was dealing with something dangerous and I didn't
quite understand what it was.

KC: Oh, wow.

BF: I remember being warned, for example, by Makiko Tanaka, the former
Foreign Minister, and the daughter of Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka who
was taken down in the Lockheed scandal. She told us: Hey, if you start
looking into this stuff, you're going to get killed. So I knew that
there was something very dangerous but I didn't know exactly what it
was. So I kind of went underground and started writing in Japanese.

Bill Ryan, off camera: At that point, Ben, the “stuff” you are referring
to... At that point what was the stuff that you were starting to get
into which you were warned about?

BF: When I was at Forbes I had already written several stories about the
Yakuza, the gangsters, and I got lots of death threats as a result. And
the Moscow bureau chief for Forbes, Paul Klebnikov, was shot ten times,
you know, outside of his house and taken to the hospital and put into
the elevator. And the elevator stopped for 8 minutes. And that's where
he died.

KC: Wow. And what year was this? Do you know, approximately?

BF: Five or six years ago, I think.

KC: So at the time, were you working for Forbes or had you just left?

BF: I was working for Forbes. He was the Moscow guy, I was the Tokyo
guy. I knew him.

KC: OK.

BF: And around that time, some people from the Osaka newspaper and CBS
television came to me and said that the head of the Goto crime syndicate
was in UCLA Berkeley University Hospital, getting a liver transplant.
Now, this raised a lot of interesting questions. One is, what is a known
gangster and criminal doing getting a Visa to the US? And why is a
70-year-old guy like that getting bumped to the top of a long
waiting-list for liver transplants?

So I start thinking: Well maybe he's doing some work for the CIA or
something.And I was going to write this up in Forbes. And before that, I called up
a very senior gangster source I knew and told him about this.And he said: Hey, if you write that, you're going to get turned into
fish paste.What?!!! I don't respond to threats, I said, and you never threaten.I said: I'm a well-known journalist. If you kill me it'll cause a lot of
trouble.We won't kill you, we'll just disappear you. Say goodnight to your
girlfriend, and that's it. You'll never be seen again.And then he named a couple of journalists who disappeared.

KC: Oh, man.

BF: And I remembered. There was a guy, for example, who wrote about how
the Goto Gang was selling... The
Aum Shinrikyo religious sect was
importing amphetamines from North Korea and selling them to the Goto
Gang. And he disappeared after writing a few articles like that. And
similarly...

KC: Has he ever been found?

BF:
No. Oh no. A whole bunch of them disappeared. And a lot of the
Japanese journalists told me: The only reason you're still alive is
because you're a white guy. If we tried to write that same kind of
stuff, we'd be dead.

So I knew there were some dangerous people. By the way, this gangster
guy, when I told him about the liver transplant thing, finally he said:
Look, I won't be able to talk to you again if you write that story.

And
I thought: OK. This guy is a very senior source and he has given me a
lot of valuable information and I don't want to lose this connection
over one story. So I decided not to write the story, but it was a very,
kind of, bad atmosphere.

Then I flew off to Sakhalin...

KC: I'm sorry, what's that?

BF: Sakhalin, in Russia. The Russian Far East, where they have all the
oil and gas now... to do a story. And the local representative of this
gang was waiting for me and he took me around. And I was taken to a
giant casino with about 400 Chechens standing outside. It was like
something in the movies. They all had guns, you know, and they were
hired by the Japanese gang as body-guards for their casinos.

KC: Wow. Chechens.

BF: Chechens, yeah. Working for Japanese gangsters. There's a lot of
stuff going on that you just don't see on the surface.

KC: Well, we just got back from Moscow, actually. It's a fascinating
place.

BF: Well, in Asia, you'll find that there's no real line between
gangsters and government. It's all a continuum. So you can almost think
of these gangsters as ...

KC: Well, some would say that's true, you know [Kerry laughs] in the US
and Russia, and ...

BF: Sure. In the US... I mean, large parts of the CIA are basically
organized crime in what they're doing. In large part they're honest
people trying to defend their country, but there are groups in there,
you know, as we all know - they smuggle drugs and do all sorts of
criminal stuff.

KC: Right.

BF: Um... So I'm sitting in this “club,” and this guy is sitting beside
me. (He's not like the one I knew in Tokyo. He was like a high level
businessman.) This guy is a little thug, dangerous. You know, not a nice
guy. And he's very, very tense. I said: Listen, I want to go home. He
said: No, no, you can't. You're going to be killed or something, right?
And I realized I was being set up! I was being set up for a hit!

KC: Oh, my.

BF: So I think quickly. I point to these two oil men and say: You're
going to have to worry about yourself. See those guys? They're CIA and
they're guarding me. Plus, I have a file that will go public if anything
happens to me, that names names and puts you all in jail. It was total
bluff, OK? I didn't have any such file, and these guys were just oil
men, but, you know, what could l do?

And the guy just gets up [snaps fingers and makes a noise indicating
great speed]... like a rocket, with the phone [makes gesture of phone at
ear].

And I pick up my phone and I call the gang boss and say: I'm not here to
write about your dealings with Russian gangsters and stuff. I'm here to
write about the oil industry. I'm not going to cause you any trouble. So
the guy comes back. He's all relaxed. And I say: OK. Good night. And
that's it. [Kerry laughs]

Bill: Sounds like something out of a movie.

BF: Yeah. But they really did shoot... The Chechens really did shoot my
colleague, though, didn't they? That was after this happened to me,
but...

So, once that took place I did make a file and I still have it- in hard
disks and DVDs with voice recordings and videos. For example, a
well-known Japanese prime minister has murdered three women and I have
the proof in one of these. A lot of stuff like that.

But my job is not to try to expose people. OK? That's not where I'm
coming from. That was just insurance I had to take out.

I don't need that insurance anymore because now I have the secret
society backing me, but... Then, my idea... I'm not just trying to
expose people. That's not the level I'm at anymore. I'm trying to save
the planet.

KC: Right.

BF: So this stuff will never come out, probably ever, as along as, you
know, they don't kill me, basically. If they do, there'll be horrible
repercussions of all sorts. But, again, I'm trying to make a win-win
situation for everybody. OK?

So, now we'll go back to when I just arrived in Japan? Do you want me to
talk about that?

KC: Well, yeah. But I just kind of wanted to get a nugget of what it was
in your Amazon experience that you kind of discovered. Like, what did
going there symbolize for you?

BF: My thinking was... For example, a fish does not know water until it
jumps [gestures fish jumping up]. So, to understand civilization I had
to leave it. So I tried different things.

In the Amazon they survived on fish and bananas. It was roast bananas
and fish soup. Or banana soup and roast fish. Or roast fish and roast
bananas. You know, you get the idea. I got tired of it. And I said: Well
why don't we get some meat? So OK, we'll go hunting. Spend all day in
the jungle, don't get anything, don't catch anything; come back, we're
hungry - there's nothing to eat.

So we lose, in civilization, that contact between our working and our
eating and our surviving. Kind of... so many layers in between actually
getting food from the earth and putting it in our mouths that we don't
realize sometimes. So that's the thing I learned there.

And the other thing is that these people are much simpler in their
communications. They're very straight forward. They say exactly what
they think. So you walk in a room and the first thing they think is:
Hey, you're fat, and they say it. Where, in civilization, it's much more
complex. They say: Oh, you're looking healthy. Or something. They try
not to, you know ...

KC: The mask is not so deep.

BF: Yeah. And the other thing is, these people were former cannibals, so
the elders all used to eat human meat when they were young. And it was
explained to me that in the rainy season they couldn't get enough fish,
so the only way to get protein was to eat their neighbors. Now they
survive with canned fish in the rainy season. [Kerry laughs]

KC: OK. But did you go there by yourself? I just have to know.

BF: Yeah.

KC: Completely alone?

BF: I hitchhiked and got in a boat and just kind of arrived at the
village.

KC: Unbelievable. OK. Well, you must have an incredibly strong
personality ...

BF: Well, I had read, you know, The Teachings of Don Juan, right? And I
was looking for a witch doctor, to do an apprenticeship.

KC: I see.

BF: I actually found a witch doctor and did do an apprenticeship in the
Amazon, so...

KC: So you have training in magic.

BF: Yeah. I can purge river spirits and stuff if you need any of that. I
know some of that, herbs and plants and...

KC: Right.

BF: I did a lot of this stuff called Ayahuasca.

KC: Oh, that's like a trippy drug, right?

BF: Yeah. At the time there was almost nothing written about it in
English, right? Like I say, I had to go right up to the upper reaches of
the Ucayali River and out to find the Shipibo Indians to find the stuff.
So you can imagine my surprise when I see it for sale on the street here
as a legal drug years later [laughs], which it shouldn't be.

KC: You mean here in Tokyo?

BF: Yes!

KC: OK. That's interesting.

BF: Well, there's no specific law against it. But, anyway.

KC: So. Fast forward: You're in Tokyo, you've gone to college. And did
you go apply to work for Forbes at that point?

BF: No, my first job... Well, I wanted to write a “theory of
everything.” But, you know, you can't really pay the bills that way, so
the first job I got was with an outfit called Knight-Ritter which was
part of the Knight-Ritter newspaper chain?

KC: Right.

BF: But with their financial wire. So I would go meet the finance
ministers and governors of the Bank of Japan and stuff. I wrote all the
market news. So my stories would move the dollar, or move the yen, or
move the commodities every week, back and forth. It was really amazing
to see that. What I learned there as a financial market reporter is
that, really, finance is mass psychology. It's modern psychology. And
that was a very interesting lesson that you don't learn in the school
club.

KC: So you learned, like, the power of the written word at that point,
right?

BF: Well, it's the information and how they all have this story that
they're following and they're looking for slight changes. For example,
the Governor of the Bank of Japan says: Well, we might tighten interest
rates a bit. And [makes noise of explosive speed] everything moves.
Right?

KC: Mm hm...

BF: Or even for the commodities markets. Rumors that China's
going to buy
oil, or something like that, will cause everything to move.

KC: But tell me something about your background. Because we listened to
this interview with the Canadian radio and you show an incredible
understanding about the economy of the World, really, and about what
makes it tick. And I'm just wondering - where did you learn everything
that you learned about that?

BF: Well, of course I did all the, you know, the university classes, in
economics and stuff. But, basically, for over 20 years I've been
following it, writing about it. I mean, everybody comes to Tokyo...
presidents and Prime ministers, finance ministers. You have the G7s and
all that stuff...

KC: G7 is here right now, is what you mean?

BF: Yeah. So I've been following it for over 20 years, at the highest
levels. And I've been interviewing gangsters, prime ministers, finance
ministers, presidents of big companies, presidents of small companies,
you know - just more than 20 years, almost 30 years, interviewing all
sorts of people.

KC: So it's an education in itself, I guess, interviewing
- as we find.

BF: Yes, and just being a journalist itself. You find that your job is
to filter. You suck in huge amounts of information and look for the
nuggets that are easy to understand and convey the essence, and you give
that to the pubic. So that's the job, you know? You're an information
filter.

Bill, off camera: But there are other financial journalists out there
who're just towing the party line. And this is categorically what you
haven't been doing. You're a real maverick in this field.

BF: Well, you see, it's very high level propaganda. They're brainwashed.
They really, really do not understand, at the essence, what it's all
about. And that's the trick. They try to get people sidetracked into
esoteric mathematics, and they try to cover it with lots of complex
words. So, you know, they've come up with these “derivatives” that are
so complex that most people don't even understand what they mean
anymore. I remember, even almost 15 years ago or more, talking about
“Delta Hedge Formations” [with two hands, draws pyramid shape from top
down]. And so they get into this stuff and it blinds them.

It's like almost a deliberate, you know, confusion
- because at the
essence it's really very simple.

Economics is people working to earn their living. And finance is the
process of deciding what people will do next. And they try to not let us
understand this, especially the part about finance.

And that is the key to the world's problems now.

KC: So how did you, as a journalist for Forbes... was it gradual the way
that you... I can imagine that if you have this knowledge that you have
and you have this approach... As a journalist, didn't you get pushed
back from Forbes saying “No, don't write this,” or “Don't write that”?

BF: OK. Maybe I should give you... I'll show you how I discovered things
in chronological order. That'll be the easiest way.

The first thing I noticed in Japan, that everything was not as it
seemed, was when I saw some people lined up at a little booth. And I
said: What are you doing? We're changing our prizes for money (from the
pachinko, which is a kind of slot machine). And you find out that they
have a HUGE gambling industry, with giant neon signs everywhere, that's
basically illegal. And yet it functions, openly AND with rules. For
example, no matter how hard you could try, it's going to be hard to lose
more than $1000 a day at those places.

So, here you have a whole system outside of the legal framework and it
connects policemen, gangsters, and businessmen, all outside of the
so-called “legal apparatus.” So this is something that made me realize
that something was different about this country. It was not just an
Asian version of Canada, which on the surface it is. They have an Upper
House and Lower House; they have the Courts and everything. So
structurally it's the same. But in essence it's totally different.

What I learned was that the so-called “legal democratic system” was a
“front” for a very different, REAL power structure.

KC: OK.

BF: This is something that, you know, I learned in tidbits. First was
the pachinko. A friend of mine got beaten up by a gangster in front of a
police box. We went to a police box and the police box guy, the
policeman said: You shouldn't pick fights with gangsters. That's it. So
again, I say: That's weird. But, again, I thought this was just related
to gambling and prostitution, which is kind of a gray area anywhere,
really.

So now, I didn't think much about it until... As a financial journalist
with the wire service, it's very important to be quick. If you beat your
competitors by 30 seconds, it's considered a big scoop. So you have to
find out where the power comes from. And talking, for example, to the
bureaucrats at the Agriculture Ministry, they said: Well, if you want to
know what's really happening, talk to Mr. Kato Koichi.

He was the LDP powerbroker. And he was the man making decisions then. So
I got to know him. And once I got called as a pinch-hitter for one of
his speeches. And then he came up and made his speech, and he was very
impressive. And then he got a big fat envelope of cash. I said: Oh...
politics... Ah. You know? [laughs]

And then, I thought the Finance Ministry was the REAL source of power in
Japan - that's what people believe - it was THE most powerful
bureaucracy. But when I started talking with the people at the Finance
Ministry, they told me, finally: If you really want to know what's going
on, you have to go to Nomura Securities. This was in the 80s. It's
different now. But in the 80s, during the bubble, Nomura Securities had
a “VIP” list of 5,000 people. And they had these two bosses, the big Tabuchi and the
little Tabuchi, not related, who were later proved be
connected to a big crime gang.

But they would take all these journalists, politicians, you know, all
the sort of top movers and shakers, and they'd lend them a couple
million dollars, and they'd say: Buy this stock. And then, they would
take every salesman in the country and all their journalistic
connections and say: These are the stocks you got to buy now. And every
housewife and small businessman and doctor would buy these stocks, the
price would go up, and the VIPs would sell. So that was how they
controlled. Politics.

KC: You say it's different now. So how's it different?

BF: Well, it's different players, different ways of handing out the
money. And in fact, that is the core of the problem which we're dealing
with. But we'll do this step by step because it's easier to see the
whole story then.

KC: Yes.

BF: So I got quite cynical about Japan, but the real clincher for me was
the Jusen Housing Loan Scandal. This was a bunch of companies that lent
only for real estate. And, after the Japanese bubble burst it was the
first time they were going to use tax payer money.

By the way, in 1992 the Japanese government already knew they had 200
trillion yen in bad debt. But the newspapers only said 2 or 3 trillion.
It wasn't until more than 10 years later that they finally admitted the
whole number. And that's what's happening in the US right now. Only
they're not going to have 10 years because they didn't borrow it from other
Americans. They borrowed it from the rest of the world. So you'll see
HUGE changes ahead. But we'll get to that.

KC: OK.

Bill, off camera: There is a question I'd like to bookmark, because I
remember that you said to Rense that you felt that, in your opinion, the
US debt was $120 trillion. I went and looked it up and thought, I wonder
where that figure comes from. So I'd like to ask you that.

BF: I can tell you right now. The $66 trillion comes from the essay by a
Professor Killborn that was published by the St. Louis Federal Reserve
Board branch in 2005. And that's the money they owe to American
citizens, you know, stuff they promised to pay, like Medicaid and Social
Security and things like that. It's in that essay. You can find it. Now
the other $53 trillion is the amount of dollars out in circulation
outside the US. So add them together and you get $120 trillion.

Bill: 120's a lot.

BF: Yes! And not only that, a GDP of $13 trillion. You know, this is
where the whole scam unravels. But we'll get to that.

KC: OK. So, you've got the housing...

BF: All right. So, here's the point. I was working for the Nihon-Keizai
Shimbun at this point. It's like the Japanese Wall Street Journal. It's
in Japanese, but it's their number one business/finance newspaper by
far. And they were talking about pouring in tens of billions of dollars
in tax payer money to bail out these companies.

And there were some
weird discussions about ... ah ... “borrower responsibility.” Borrower
responsibility ... What's going on here? And so I turned to them and
said: Well, who are the borrowers?

And it turns out - my sources were people at the Bank of Japan and
various other agencies like credit rating agencies - that more than half
the loans were made to gangsters, to
Yakuzagangs. So, to me it was an
amazing thing. Here we have the government using tens of billions of
dollars of tax payer money to bail out companies that lent money to
gangsters - and, they were all headed by former Finance Ministry
officials.

So you see a link now between the Finance Ministry officials,
the politicians, and gangsters. And they're using tax payer money to
give to the gangsters, right?

So I wrote this up in the English Nikkei and there was a HUGE reaction.
Over 400 foreign journalists and magazines wrote similar stories - Half
the housing loans were to gangsters, right? And then Newsweek wrote a
story almost identical to mine.

And then the Nikkei, my own paper, said:

“According to Newsweek, half the loans to the jusen companies are to
Yakuza.”And I went to the editor. I said: Hey, I wrote that story first. Why do
you say “According to Newsweek”?

They called me up and they gave me the Editor's Award and $50.00
[laughs] and then they told me: Mr. Fulford, you know, you really
shouldn't write stuff like that. It's just not done, and it could be
dangerous.

And after that they started watching me. They would not let me write
anything except the stuff the government announced.

KC: Wow. This is after you left Forbes? You're writing for the...

BF: Before I got to Forbes.

KC: Oh, before you got to Forbes. OK.

BF: All right? So I started to realize that the Japanese press was not
at all free.

KC: Right.

BF: And it turns out there was an editor at the Nikkei, Mr.
Otsuka, who
won a bunch of awards for writing about the Itoman scandal... and then
he was suddenly sent off to some weird subdivision and removed from the
reporting business. And he got very suspicious. He started following the
president around.

It turns out they lent like a hundred million dollars to gangsters,
money that would never come back. And the Itoman scandal was another
huge one where, basically, one of Japan's largest banks, the Sumitomo
Bank, had been taken over by a crime syndicate. That's what the story
really boiled down to. It's a long complicated thing, but...

Anyway, I started to realize that the newspapers and the politicians and
the bureaucrats and the gangsters were all in together in some kind of
crooked power structure that was totally different from what people were
seeing on their television and reading in their newspapers. And I got
totally disgusted when they started suppressing my stories.

So I quit the Nikkei. I worked as a freelancer for a while for the
South
China Morning Post and a bunch of places before I got the job with
Forbes. And at first the people at Forbes were happy to let me write
stories about gangsters. I did one on Public Works that got a formal
letter of protest from the Japanese Embassy in Washington. I thought:
Gosh, I hit a sore point. Right?

And then another story I did... When they were finally starting to clear
up the bad debt with the banks, I was finding that all sorts of people
were dying. And this was either committing suicide or disappearing,
whatever. But this was not a typical, what you call hara-kiri suicide,
where you did something bad and you kill yourself to apologize. It was
people who were going to testify, people who were going to... yeah...
prosecute people.

For example, there was a financial scandal, and the president of
Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank which is now part of Mizuho, was due to testify.
The day before he was going to testify, at 11 o'clock at night his wife
left the house and about 10 men in black clothing showed up, the lights
turned off, then they left. At around 1 a.m. the wife came home and he
was dead. And they said it was a suicide. Now this came from the English
version of the Yomiuri newspaper. It did not appear in the Japanese
version. OK?

At this point I had made lots of gangster connections because I had
realized that to understand what's going on in finance, you need to talk
to gangsters. Otherwise, you don't know what is going on at all.

KC: OK.

BF: And so... there was a bank called the
Nippon Credit Bank that turned
into Aozora Bank. (I think it's now owned by one of the US hedge funds.
Maybe Carlyle? I can't remember. I'll have to check.) But, anyway, the
director from the Bank of Japan, Mr. Honma, was made president. Two
weeks later he was found hung, and they said it was a suicide. I knew
this guy from when I used to cover the Bank of Japan. There's NO WAY he
could have committed suicide.

So I asked my gangster buddy. He said: Well, I'll check out with the
guys down in Osaka. And he calls and I meet him again and he says: Well,
what happened was, they pointed a gun at him, told him to write his
will, and they injected him with a sleeping drug and they hung him.

And of course I cannot write a story based on an anonymous gangster. And
I knew he was a gangster because I had a detective agency confirm for me
he really was what he said he was, a senior boss of one of the biggest
gangs.

So I called the hotel where they found his body and they said: Yeah,
well, you know the place where they found his body, there as nowhere to
hang himself from. Right?

So I called the police and said: Well, you said you found the body by
the window but there's nowhere he can hang himself by the window.

So the police change it: Oh, well, we found him in the bathroom.

And there was a Japanese TV personality in the room next door, Kumiko
Mori. In Japan she does the voice of Pikachu from the, what is it? Pokemon?

KC: Oh Yeah. Pokemon.

BF: Anyway, she's well known in Japan, and she wrote in her book that
there was screaming and moaning in the room next door and she couldn't
sleep and there's no way that could have been a suicide. And I confirmed
that with her manager.

And apparently he was killed because of a bunch of loans to North Korean
credit cooperatives. He was going to call in his bad loans. And if he
did that he would have exposed a huge North Korean ruling party
underground link. The North Koreans have been sending pachinko money to
Japan, importing amphetamines, doing all sorts of stuff and to get the
police to turn a blind eye they paid huge bribes to the ruling party
over the years. So...

KC: Did you write about this?

BF: I wrote it in Forbes, yeah.

KC: Yeah?

BF: Yeah. It's there. Oh, you know, the editors were such chickens that
they really took a lot out of that story, but it's still there. You can
still find it. So I started digging deeper. But then suddenly Forbes
starts putting pressure on me.

I had a story about G.E. doing some very funky accounting here involving
billions of dollars and, you know, they killed it without explanation.
And then CitiGroup was kicked out of Japan for, you know, money
laundering for gangsters. They were kicked out. And that story didn't
run. Right?

And finally what, for me, was the last straw was an anti-virus software
company paid a guy to make a virus! A computer virus, right? And I
talked to the guy that made the virus, you know. (He's some guy living
in a Filipino slum but he's got a brand new $20,000 car, you know?) He
said to me: Well, this guy, the president of the company, is a friend of
Mr. Forbes and he's bought a lot of advertising. And so we're not
running the story.

KC: Ahhh. So they actually told you ...

BF: The editor told me that, you know: We have problems with your facts,
Mr. Fulford.
You know, fact-checking. This is their trick, you know. They raise the
hurdle higher and higher.

Facts. For example:

You saw them in bed together. Are you sure? That doesn't mean they were
making love? Was there a blanket on top?No, there's no blanket.Well, did you see the actual penetration?Well, no, his butt was in the way.Ah, then. We don't know. You can't confirm it.

So, that's their trick. That's how they train the corporate media. They
raise... But anyway, the business manager told me the real reason.

KC: OK.

BF: The advertising and stuff. So, you know, I get one thing from the
editor, another thing from the business manager. So I got totally
disgusted and alienated, right? So after that the quality of my work at
Forbes degenerated because I just didn't give a f... damn. I was going
to
quit. I was getting ready to quit. Um... At that point a book of mine
appeared in Japanese and became a best-seller. I didn't need the income.

KC: A book about what?

BF: Well, just the first...

KC: This isn't the Rockefeller one, is it?

BF: No-no-no. This was stuff that came out a long time ago, some of the
stuff I just told you about - the murders and the other stuff going on,
things about Japanese corruption. And a lot of people in Japan, you
know, knew something like this was going on. And so, anyway, I wrote
several best-sellers like that. So I had an independent income.

But what really made things click for me was, I was on a TV debate show
with some of Japan's top politicians. And I said: These are the guys
running this country??? Come on! You got to give me a break! They're
retards! (I'm sorry to say this, but they're not high caliber.) OK? I'm
debating with them. What on earth is going on? Now I know of course
they're just actors reading a script, but at the time I thought: My god,
I could do better!

This suddenly was, like... It was truly enormous. The thought when I
realized: Oh my god, the Japanese have 5 trillion dollars in overseas
assets. That's enough money to end poverty and stop environmental
destruction - then why don't they use it?

And I decided, hell, you know, I could become a cynical alcoholic, you
know, foreign correspondent old fart, like I see so many of at the
Foreign Correspondents' Club. Their careers spiral up and then they just
spend years coasting along getting bitter and cynical. And I said, no,
to hell with that. I'll become a Japanese citizen, I'll try to run for
office and I'll try to convince them to use this money to save the
world. You know, that makes so much sense.

But, at the same time, though, I was very confused and bitter. Right?
And I wasn't sure. Another part of me was saying: Well, you should write
a book about Japan and then leave the country and go to Hollywood and
try to become a script writer or something.

So there's two conflicting ideas in my mind. You know, I had that one
idea and it was just too big and too... It's no, no- it can't be real.
Right? So I wrote two chapters that would have really named names,
specific politicians, specific crimes, specific gangsters. It would have
been so much of an expose I would have had to either leave Japan or be
killed after the book was published.

The very day after I sent the two chapters to my agent - in English - I
got a call from the granddaughter of the Meiji emperor, Kaoru Nakamaru,
and she said to me: You know, Mr. Fulford, you really should not get the
Yakuza angry. And: Are you sure that's what you really want to do? Isn't
there something else you'd rather do? (I'm like: Why is it this lady
calling me? What's this timing?)

And she tells me that a “goddess” had contacted her through the astral
plane and was worried about me! Well, it turns out the “goddess” was the
Japanese Security Police! [both laugh]

But... whatever. She still insisted it was a goddess. Only one time did
she tell me it was the police; all the other times she said it was a
goddess. But anyway, it doesn't matter. It was the timing, and what she
really wanted to do was that something else.

And I realized, YES, you know, I want to save the world. And unlike so
many people that want to do that, I actually had a concrete method, with
this $5 trillion dollars. Well... that's enough money! And you can't
take that money out of the US because that would ruin the US economy; so
you have to pay Americans to do it, right? So that they benefit as well.
Otherwise... You know, in the past what happened is that a Japanese
politician threatened to take that money out of the US. Well, then the
US would get very angry and try to crush that politician. Right? So, I
said, OK we'll do it in such a way that the Americans benefit too, then
they can't complain.

And this is what I started saying. I started writing books along those
lines: Why don't the Japanese save the world?

KC: OK.

BF: But what happened though was this Meiji emperor's granddaughter
handed me a 9/11 video and said: Look, Mr. Fulford. You know all about
the corruption in Japan, but you have no idea about the corruption in
the World. Right?

KC: OK.

BF: And when she gave me that I was shocked. I said: Oh my god, I read
about this in the New York Times. This is some anti-Semitic thing. I'm
not going to look at that! You know? Because we've all been trained...
anti-Semitic equals Nazi, which equals death chambers. Right? And you
don't want to be involved with people who want to kill millions of
innocent people. Right? So this is the sort of thinking I had.

So I
wasn't even going to look at it, because I had it all associated.

And she kept calling me: Did you watch it?No, I didn't watch it. Finally, I said: Oh man. I'll watch 10 minutes so
I can tell her I watched it.And when I did, it was like the scales fell off my eyes, as they say in
Japanese. It's like...

Remember, I was a financial journalist for a long time and because so
many people read what you write, it moves markets. There is a constant
barrage of people trying to feed you BS information, which means you
build very high immunity to false information.

KC: OK.

BF: So I knew. This is something very, very weird because... And the
problem that most people at the high level of western society have with
the 9/11 thing is, they say: I don't care what evidence they show me,
there's no way on earth that the New York Times, Washington Post, BBC
would be reporting this. Because to accept that it was a cabal in the US
government that did this, it means to accept that the entire belief
system you have about your society is wrong.

KC: Uh huh.

BF: But, having experienced what I did at Forbes with censorship and
what I knew about the Japanese corruption, I started to do the research
to find out what's been going on here. And the answer is, essentially,
that European society is not really “democratic” any more.

It's a plutocracy combined with an aristocracy and the “democracy” is
kind of a way of keeping tabs on the “sheep” sentiment, you know,
keeping them... giving them a way to vent their frustrations within very
restricted boundaries. So... uh... You know, there are many different
words out there that people use and it makes it very hard... A lot of
people have trouble, even now, believing this stuff.

So, what I'm able to do is I can show you, within the normal matrix of
financial reports, Wall Street Journal stuff, how to trace it. OK? And
what you need to do, what I did finally to figure this out, is you go
back to the 1918 edition of Forbes and their first "Rich List". And you
find that the top 10 richest Americans controlled 70% of the money in
the country.

KC: Mm hm.

BF: John Rockefeller the First was worth about $30 billion in today's
money. And I think he controlled 25% of all the wealth in the US at the
time. The reason why
the Rockefellers do not appear as so “Rich” in the
Forbes list (and remember, one of my jobs was to identify billionaires
and count their money) was because it's put in as a “charitable
foundation”, and in fact they have hundreds of them [foundations].
Rockefeller, Carnegie, Brookings, a whole alphabet soup of them...

But each generation of the Rockefeller family and the other families,
the Morgans, which are the Bush people and stuff... You can see that
they inherit the power. They still control that money. And they have a
system so that each generation has one person in charge. So it's like a
kind of hidden aristocracy. Instead of inheriting land, they inherit
assets and everybody who works within those assets is like a peasant
working on the lord's estate. So, if you work for Standard Oil, you're a
Rockefeller serf in a way, because they have the ultimate control.

KC: OK. That's the Rockefeller side of things. Are you also able to
trace it from the Rothschilds, the European side?

BF: Yeah. Now, the Rothschild thing goes back 300 years, basically. I
think this is well known stuff but I can summarize it for you.

The first Rothschild to appear set up in Frankfurt with a “red shield”
and changed his name (“red shield” ... “Rothschild.” Right?) And the
local king was going to get involved in a war and Rothschild said: I'll
lend you a bunch of money and if you lose you don't have to pay me back.
If you win, I'd like to be your banker.

And of course, when he had all this extra money, he could hire lots more
extra soldiers and he won. And here we have the beginning of a link
between royalty and finance - kings like wars; wars cost money - and the
process of inter-marriage between these financial and aristocratic
families began. Well, it's been going on for 300 years.

The next big thing is: He had five sons and they were sent to different
parts of Europe. And they were only bankers to kings, you know, at the
very highest level. And Nathan Rothschild went to England. He started
out buying cloth and selling it. And he started realizing: If I control
the dye-makers and the cloth-makers and put it all together I can make
more profit. So he was exporting British textiles at first.

He got richer and richer and his big, big coup came in the Battle of
Waterloo, where the British Exchange... Everyone was wondering, you
know, if the British were going to win or lose, right? And they knew the
Rothschilds had very fast information, quicker than anyone else.

My
assumption is they were involved in insider trading with the King, OK?
Because suddenly Rothschild started selling everything, just sell
whatever you got; sell, sell, sell. And everyone thought: Oh my god, the
British lost, the British lost. And stuff that was worth 100 would fall
down to like 2 or 3. And they were in panic: Oh my god, sell what you
have for chance, we're all going to be Napoleonic slaves anyway.

And then when it fell down, he started buying it all up. And the news
came - The British won. And what had been 100 rose to 200 and he
controlled most of British wealth after that time. And he said - this
is a famous quote; I don't know the exact words - “I don't care what
fool sits on the crown of England. Whoever controls the money of England
controls England. And I control the money of England.”

However, you know, I think the Rothschilds had very deep religious
convictions and were at heart fairly decent people. The reason I say
that is because, although they apparently financed and engineered the US
Revolution in 1776 - with East India Company money - they also financed
and engineered the Meiji reforms. But these are good things, in many
ways. Canada has always been Rothschild territory, and Canada is a very
nice country, you know?

So I don't think they're on the same level. Their system was basically,
you know, ancient Babylonian royalties. And this is where it gets really
weird and esoteric, but it goes back 5,771 years.

The Rothschilds used to say
they were descendants of Nimrod, who
conquered the peoples of Babylonia - they were a herding people, a
pastoral people. And they [the Rothschild predecessors] conquered the
peoples of Babylonia, or present-day Iraq.

And they said: Well isn't there some way we can herd people the way you
herd sheep? And they came up with a system. You have to control their
food supply; you have to control their information supply; and you have
to have means of violence to discipline them.

And this was the start of the Bible, the Old Testament, where they took
all the different stories people had and put it in one story. And this
was the only story that people were allowed to have.

Kerry Cassidy: So, we’re at the Rothschilds.
Right? And Babylonia, Nimrod, and all that. But, this is
the Illuminati
you’re talking about, right?

Benjamin Fulford: Well, I mean, you can call it Illuminati or you can
call it the King’s Court. You know, there’s a lot of problem people have
with semantics, right? So for example, if you talk about Freemasons and
Illuminati, a lot people say: Oh all that crazy stuff,
associated with
reptiles and funky UFO things. Right? And their mind is shut.

But if you
tell them: No, no. It’s like a “plutocracy” and “aristocracy,” then they
don’t have these associations that have been put in their brain, and
they can absorb the information.

I started looking up how the ancient Sumerian society was managed and
you find that it’s really quite similar to the modern United States. In
Japan they used to call the Finance Ministry the “Big Warehouse"
Ministry. But in the old days you’d have a whole bunch of people who did
not grow their own food anymore. Right? And you’d have these surpluses.
So they’d store this extra wheat in big warehouses, and it would be the
high priests who would control the distribution of the food to the
masses.

And this is now what we call “central bankers.” But behind the
high priests was a king who had god-like powers. And they created the
story that there was a “god” who could see and know everything. And it
was an abstract one. So it existed in parallel with the real guy with a
beard on a throne who had god-like powers. So this is the system that
still exists.

And remember, if you control the food supply, then you can hire warriors
and intellectuals and control society - control their thinking, control
their food, and control them through violence if necessary. And that’s
how it works even now. That’s why it’s so important to understand that
finance is control over your food supply, control over your…

Bill Ryan: Control over your energy supply as well.

BF: Energy supply. Yes. But I mean, at the end of the day, it’s food.
Without it you die.

KC: OK. And basically you keep people busy by sending them to war.
Right?

BF: OK. If we fast-forward…As a Canadian I was always kind of proud of
the War of 1812. I thought: Hey, if little Canada managed to hold off
the United States… But apparently what happened was that in 1812 the
American Republic decided not to renew Rothschild’s banking license and
the American people took control of their own money. And that’s why
Rothschild invaded the United States and that was the real reason for
the War of 1812. (That’s why you have in your anthem: “Oh say can you
see by the dawn’s early …” a flag and a fort that survived a British
attack.)

So, you know, a lot of our history is hidden. But, for the next
century the Rothschilds plotted and schemed to get back control of the
United States money supply and therefore the American people.

I can believe they had their ideals, you know. They got the best and the
brightest and they would debate, you know, how to do the greatest good
for the greatest number. I think there were quite enlightened and
liberal aspects to what they did. I mean if you just look at how the
societies like Holland, Canada, and stuff, that were under their
control… you can see they’re really quite nice places for all sorts of
different levels of people.

But what happened was (and this is how I analyze the situation now) - to
take over control of the United States, they tried many things. I think
they engineered the Civil War. But they got Carnegie, Harriman, to
control the railroads and the steel production. And the way they did it
was, they would lend them the money, but they’d lend it in such a way
that eventually they would have to give the railways to the Rothschilds.
It was a very clever scheme.

We have, I think, William Avery Rockefeller - was a horse thief and a
seller of fake medicine. And this was according to Pulitzer’s newspaper
who I think had a big expose on the father of John Rockefeller the
First. But John Rockefeller the First was into oil and he would buy the
refineries. He would come up to a guy at an oil refinery and offer him
cash and a low price. If the man refused to sell, he’d cause problems
with the workers or maybe sabotage, whatever necessary. And the
Rothschilds took note of this Rockefeller guy and they decided they’d
help him. And they would allow him to transport his oil at much cheaper
rates than all his competitors. So he got the oil monopoly.

And I think most people know about this now, but in 1913, finally the
Rockefellers, the Harrimans, the Warburgs, this group of families, were
able to take over the Federal Reserve Board, supposedly on behalf of the
Rothschilds. But I do believe that Rockefeller staged a sort of coup
d’etat. He said: Hey, I control the American Army and I control the
American economy, and so I’ll cooperate with you, but I’m in charge
here. And he took over the United States. So I think you became a
Rockefeller fief, not a Rothschild one. They meet and they cooperate.

KC: Right. So to this day, you feel that there’s cooperation?

BF: I think there is some cooperation. I think there is also conflict.
And you can see this, for example, in the pattern of UN resolutions. For
example, the Europeans have consistently voted for Israel to solve its
problems with the Palestinians based on something like 1967 UN
agreements, you know, with some modifications. And it’s the Americans
and the Israelis who have always vetoed all sorts of different things.
So if you look at the pattern of European vs. American voting in the UN,
you can see the difference between the two sides.

KC: Right. So where does Japan fall in this group?

BF: OK. Now in Japan what happened was, after Admiral Perry came, Lord
Rothschild sent a fleet and they attacked the Satsuma and Choshu clans
in the south. And they had the Kinmu Emperor murdered and they installed
a 16 year old boy by the name of Toranosuke Omura as the Meiji Emperor.
And they financed the modernization of Japan. So they set up the royal
family, the Emperor, in power, and they helped him modernize Japan. And
they fought the Russians. And I think the Japanese were very grateful.
And in 1903, after the victory, you know, the Japanese Emperors were
made par with British royalty. Every Emperor goes to Oxford to study.

But I think that after World War II the Japanese started to get
disillusioned because they were not treated as equals. They were not
given what they felt a fair deal. They felt there was racism.

And this was the essential reason why the British Empire never became a
real world empire. Because they’d take some very intelligent Indian
gentleman, educate him at Oxford and give him the highest levels of
knowledge, but at the end of the day they’d say: Well, you’re a wog.
You’re a bloody wog, so you’re just going to have to work for us. If
they had made it possible for someone like Gandhi to be the head of the
entire British Empire - in other words, let them in, let them join the
upper ranks - they would still be in control of the planet to this day.

But because they were saying essentially, you know: At the very top it’s
a white man’s club and you guys are just high level servants, well, they
alienated them.

KC: OK. But how does this relate to World War II and you know the whole…
I mean, the Americans eventually… You’re saying Rockefeller helped the
Japanese up to a point.

BF: No, no. I’m saying Rothschild helped the Japanese.

KC: OK.

BF: But in the 1930s the Japanese made a break for independence. They
wanted to set up the Southeast Asia Co-Prosperity sphere. They wanted to
modernize all the “yellow” countries so that they could stop
colonization by the whites. That’s how they looked at it. Unfortunately,
the Japanese are an island people and they’re not very good at
relations. But what you have to also realize is that history is written
by the winners and so the reason the Japanese were able to take over
most of China and were only stopped by US invasion, was because a lot of
the Chinese actually welcomed them. This is something that you don’t
read in your history books.

But there was an attempt by the Asians to prevent being colonized. They
looked at the Europeans as, like the Borg in Star Trek – only one way of
thinking is correct. Can you imagine this giant pyramid of a society,
with this Eye at the top: “You Will Be Assimilated,“ you know.
“Resistance Is Futile.” It’s how they looked at it, and there’s
something to it.

There’s a sense that if it’s not done the western way, it’s wrong. A
good example is the pachinko. I mean, they do have gambling and it does
work but it’s not within the western-style legal framework. It’s in a
separate framework. The same way as the bureaucrats… they defied the
law. And that’s a more living, fast-reacting system than, you know,
using endless courtroom battles.

I mean, Americans are, what, 4% of the world’s population, 20-some% of
world GDP, but 50% of the world’s lawyers, and 50% of the world’s
military expenditures. So, you know, a lot too much time is spent
arguing and fighting, as far as the Asians are concerned. [laughs]
You’ve got to remember, they look at things very differently and it
takes a long time to understand their perspective.

KC: OK. But you wrote a book about Rockefeller and his role.

BF: OK. What happened was, once I started to understand all this, I
realized that, after World War II ended, control of Japan went from the
Rothschilds to the Rockefellers. And at first they said to the Japanese:
You just go ahead and develop your economy any way you want. Rebuild
your economy and as long as you’re militarily allied to the US, that’s
all we care about. Right?

Until the 1980s, when Japan had these huge trade surpluses and this made
them [Rockefellers] very, very nervous. And I now realize why, because
they [Japanese] thought they had won World War 3 without firing a single
shot because they had managed to control most of the world’s financial
assets. And money is power. If you have that money you can hire the
soldiers, you can hire the intellectuals, you can…

KC: So how are you saying Japan did this?

BF: By working hard and generating trade surpluses.

KC: OK. Electronics?

BF: Electronics, cars, you know, nice products that people want to buy.
And, you know, they [Japanese] had the control of the money. This is
where they [Rockefellers] started to get worried. And they set out to
kind of put the Japanese back in their place. And they managed to get
them with this bubble, which was basically on US orders.

They said:
First of all, we want you to raise your yen. Right? Because they didn’t
want the Japanese to have control of the money. And the yen went from
360 to the dollar to, at one point, 79 to the dollar. But all that
happened was, the Japanese moved their industrial base to China and
Southeast Asia and got them rich. Right? So that didn’t work.

So finally what they were doing was, they were bullying and killing
Japanese politicians.

KC: Who was?

BF: The Rockefellers, I would say, at the end of the day. In order to
make sure they never were presumptuous enough to use their money the way
they wanted to, but rather just hand it to the Americans.

And I still haven’t checked this out, but I’m pretty sure if you add up
all the Japanese trade surpluses and the numbers and then compare it to
what is now officially recognized as Japanese assets, you’ll find that
the trade surplus is much bigger.

In other words, it’s like… you go to a bar and you say: Put it on my
tab. And then after a few years you say: Well look, forget about half my
tab. Let’s just, you know, forget about it. And so the idea is that
we’ll just keep taking money from you forever. It’s like tribute
payments to the Roman Empire. They send cars and they send TVs and they
get nothing back except paper. This is how they look at it, and it’s
right. For 34 years the Americans have been getting stuff from all over
the world and not paying for it.

Bill: Why have the Japanese then tolerated that for so long?

BF: Yeah. Um… First of all, after World War II they truly and genuinely
fell in love with the United States. You know, they were told they were
going to be tortured and stuff. I remember this guy shivering in fear about
the war, when American soldiers were coming, and they’re going to torture
him, and what’re they going to do? And the guy gives him a Hershey Bar,
right? This was symbolic. They were really well treated. And up until
the fall of the Soviet Union they also really felt that they needed the
Americans to protect them. And they had created this illusion of fear,
right? If you don’t’ have us, you’re going to be conquered.

But the only thing… They’ve been subjected to very intense propaganda
since the end of World War II. There was a Doctor Funai, a well known
guy here in Japan, who had a senior American officer stay at his house
after World War II. And the officer said to him: We’re going to change
your education system so you don’t get any more geniuses. And they did.

The propaganda the Japanese have been subjected to is that, first of
all, they’ve been given an inferiority complex; second, they’ve been
told that America’s a wonderful country; and third, they’ve been told
that without American protection they’re doomed. And their education has
been deliberately “dumbed down” so they don’t know how to argue, they
don’t know how to debate. They’ve been trained not to have opinions.

KC: But isn’t this also part of the Oriental mindset that even the
Emperors kind of push down to the people?

BF: Um… There is something to the traditional Confucian model, right?
But in the traditional Confucian model, the key is that the people at
the top have to be true models of modest behavior. I mean, they have to
be very morally upright and treat their country like their family, like
their kids, and be nice to them.

So that’s the difference in philosophy.
It’s not just one of blind obedience to a tyrant, but rather, ideally
it’s like a generous and gentle father-figure which, is what they aspire
to. So what you see in North Korea is a remnant. What you saw with the
Maoist thing was this traditional sort of kinship system of Asia.

KC: Right. So there’s a built-in respect for power and authority and
figures on top, thinking that they’re beneficent.

BF: Yes.

KC: But that’s naiveté at the same time. I mean, your explanation has to
be a little bit simplistic in terms of why they would accept this kind
of “dumbing down,” as you call it, of Japanese society across the board.
What was in it for them?

BF: Well, first of all, when you enslave a person, you beat the hell out
of them, and then you be really nice to them. And in effect you say:
Hey, if you do what I say I’ll be really nice to you and treat you well
but remember, if you don’t… That’s what those nuclear bombs were about.

KC: OK.

BF: But also, I mean, the Japanese were able to develop their economy.
They were left alone, you know, for a long time. It’s only in recent
years that it’s become kind of really bad, noxious. OK?

There’s an illness at the heart of the American system. And what it
boils down to, if you look at financial flows, OK? Money has been going
from the poor countries to the rich countries. And within the rich
countries it’s been going from the poor to the rich. It’s like a giant
sponge sucking up all this life energy. The poorest people on the
planet, you know, they’re forced by agribusiness and other things, to
the lowest level, and the only thing they can do is sit on something
even lower, the poor little weak creatures. They have to burn down
forests to make new farmland because they’ve used up their farmland and
they don’t get access to fertilizer, so they have to, you know, ravage
the planet.

So, the source of poverty and environmental problems in the world is the
people who own the Federal Reserve Board and their policies of
prioritizing the rich, and everything to the rich. And that is the
essence of the problem.

And the Japanese have had their savings stolen from them and they’ve
been forced to adopt economic policies that have increased poverty here.
The so-called reforms that Prime Minister Koizumi and Heizo Takenaka
were forced by the Americans, through blackmail, to impose on the
Japanese have meant that… A recent survey by the Asahi newspaper shows
that the amount of people who think their lives have gotten worse since
these reforms began is more than double the amount of people that think
it got better.

They have created a society split between the very rich and the poor.
American society is also the same. American male workers’ salaries
peaked in 1973, and they’ve been falling ever since. So, if you look at
the gross mean product… in other words, the level at which half the
people are below and half the people are above, you’ll find it’s very
close to the poverty line.

They’ve been taking money. It’s really just too much money has been
going to the rich and they haven’t had proper ways to spend it. And
they’ve been deluded into thinking that the problem with the environment
is too many brown people burning down forests, and so the answer is to
get rid of them. And
they have been manufacturing diseases. There is
solid evidence that AIDS (HIV) was made by the US military as a
bio-weapon against Africa. And…

BF: SARS is a bio-weapon that targets a specific gene that is very
prevalent among Asians but almost never found among Caucasians. So, it’s
a race-specific bio-weapon.

KC: So let’s get down to this whole association you had with the Yakuza
on the one hand, the Chinese secret society…

BF: All right. As I started to understand how things really work, my
understanding of news events became very different, because I could
merge the two, you know, the conspiracy world and the Wall Street
Journal world, into one. Right?

KC: Right.

BF: I got an opportunity to interview Heizo Takenaka last year, in the
spring, and I confronted him with a lot of evidence. In 2003, in
February I believe, he told Newsweek Magazine that no bank was too big
to fail. And he imposed some arcane economic rules that forced the
companies to sell their cross-share holdings. In other words, the banks
and the companies used to own each others’ shares so no outsider could
come in and make a hostile takeover. And he forced the companies to sell
their bank shares.

And he put out that no bank was too big to fail and
everyone thought that meant that the bank shares would be worth nothing.
It’s like I say: I’ll sell you my wallet. There’s no money in it, but
there’s bills. And if you buy it, you have to pay the bills. Well,
nobody’s going to buy it. Except you tell your friends: Hey listen, I’m
going to put 2.3 trillion yen of taxpayer money in that wallet later, so
it’s a bargain. Right?

So, what happened was, the stock price of the banks plummeted in 2003.
And if you look at who bought it, you’ll find that it’s bought by
foreigners: State Street Bank, Chase Manhattan, CitiBank. In other
words, a group of financial institutions that are controlled by these
“charitable foundations” that are in turn controlled either by the
Rothschilds or the Rockefellers, mainly
the Rockefellers. Well, these
families.

I use “Rockefeller” as an abbreviation for this group of
inbred aristocratic families, the American side versus the European
side. The Bushes are part of it, for example.

KC: Right.

BF: So you can actually see it in the financial data. And what happened
was, the president of Resona Bank did not want to sell his bank to these
foreigners. And they have over a 33% share, which is what gives them
controlling interest. And he also sold the Postal Savings. It was sort
of like a gangster husband saying to his wife: Hey, come on, give me
more money. I’ve got no more. Hey what about that Postal Bank? You’ve
still got that. Give it to me. You know? It’s what it boils down to.

But anyway, getting back to Resona. The president didn’t want to hand
over his shares, unlike the other banks - they all meekly comply. And so
what happened was, he said: Hey, I’m not bankrupt. And so the accountant
in charge of Resona died in mysterious circumstances. It was sort of a
suicide or a murder. And suddenly the accounts showed that they were
bankrupt. And at the time the ruling party policy system is saying: If
you’ve got even $100,000, $200,000, buy Resona shares. It’s going to be a
big deal.

And then there was a professor at Waseda University, by the name of
Uekusa, who started to say: Hey, you know, there’s something very fishy
going on about Resona. And he was arrested in Yokohama for looking at a
girl’s underwear with a mirror. The woman in question never actually
filed a complaint, but never mind. He was fired from his job, taken off
of his TV shows.

I was also blacklisted around that time. I was taken off a lot of TV
shows. They said: You’re on a black list, Mr. Fulford. We can’t put you
on the show anymore.

KC: Why?

BF: Because I came in like other guys who were pointing out the BS about
these so-called economic reforms. And they didn’t want people to know
what was really going on.

Anyway, a Mr. Ohta from the Tax Department also started investigating
Resona for tax evasion and stuff. And he was arrested in Yokohama for
looking at a girl’s underwear with a mirror. And then, Mr. Suzuki from
the Asahi newspaper who had a big scoop years ago with the Recruit
scandal put out in December 17th, year before last, an article saying
that Resona was giving 10 times more donations to the ruling party than
other banks and that there was a suspicion of insider trading. It was
supposed to be part of an investigative series. That night they found
his body in Yokohama Bay. OK?

So I confronted Mr. Takenaka with all this information. I have it on
video. I have not released the video because Mr. Takenaka started
telling me that he was forced to do it because the United States
threatened to hit Japan with HAARP if they didn’t. OK?

KC: OK. And what would have been the impact of that? Tell us what that
meant to Japan.

BF: Ahm …. We’ll get into that more, because I know this starts getting
into really esoteric things. It’s almost mind-boggling, you know?

KC: Yeah.

BF: I mean, I had a lot of trouble wrapping my mind around this stuff
for a long time.

After I interviewed Takenaka I got an email from someone at the Japan
Development Bank who is a disciple of Mr. Takenaka. And he said to me:
There’s someone Mr. Takenaka would like you to meet. And I have the
copies of the original email, too. And so I go to a Shinjuku Hotel room
and I meet a man wearing a fancy silk kimono. OK? I have a photograph of
him and I have a tape recording of this conversation. OK?

And he had two rings. [Holding up right hand balled into a fist] One was
a mask of a devil with horns and [holding up left hand balled into fist]
the other looked like a wedding ring. And he’d go like this - [thrusts
right fist toward camera while raising left hand with open palm toward
camera] and there was a Freemason mark [on the open palm]. And he says:
These horns, just put a little bit of poison on them… and touch me and
I’d be dead. And he tells me he’s a Ninja, which is a professional
assassin.

And I - you know - AHHH. And the guy looks very different from the
average Japanese. He’s a member of the Sanka, or Mountain, people.
They’re like the Ainu. They’re sort of like, maybe, the Japanese
equivalent of an Apache. Very warlike. They’re used by Japanese Special
Forces.

He says to me: Mr. Fulford, if you want to be, you know, a muck-raking
journalist, go ahead and do so, but you will die at age 46. However (and
he gives me a big Freemason badge), he says: If you don’t, you have a
choice. You can become Finance Minister of Japan. OK? So he’s offering
me a choice between death or the job of Finance Minister. And again, I
have this on tape. I have the email trail. I have the video of my
interview with Takenaka. OK? So, it’s weird stuff but I have the proof.

Anyway, I thought that I would have no choice but to go along. But I had
been reading about, you know, population reduction plans, and so I asked
him: Is it true? (And I have this on tape, too) He said: Yes. In order
to protect the environment we need to reduce the world’s population to 2
billion. And war just doesn’t do it, so we’re going to try to use disease
and starvation.

KC: Who told you this?

BF: The self-described Ninja sent by Takenaka. Right? And, you know, I
had already found out that
SARS was a bio-weapon targeted at Asians. So
this was very disturbing! You’re talking about killing 4 billion people.
Right? So they’re offering me the job… And he just said to me: Look,
we’re taking money from the Japanese, but we’re not, you know, cutting
out their flesh from their bones, we’re just skimming off the fat.
Right?

That’s how they describe it. We’re looting these peoples’ money but
we’re not going to kill ‘em, you know. And he said the population of Japan
would be reduced to 70 million. They’d allow 70 million to live. And
they need about 500 million Asians to keep making toys and stuff, you
know? He’s describing, you know, massive genocide. OK?

Again, I have it on tape. I can prove this man was sent to me by
Takenaka. So the very next day, OK, again…

KC: So what did you say to this guy? I’m just curious. Did you say yes
at that point? Or did you say let me think about it? And he said OK, or
…

BF: Well, you know, it was all too overwhelming. I didn’t give any clear
answer but I thought maybe I had no choice but to go along with these
guys and try to do something from the inside to stop them. Right?

But I guess a lot of people of the very elite… I’m sure it happens to
Mr. Obama and Clinton and anybody else at the high levels of US
politics, senators, whatever. Someday they’re given the same kind of
ultimatum: Death or cooperation – so either you join us or you die.

And
that’s how they manage to control the United States and enslave the
American people, by capturing the very top elite and forcing them to go
along with a combination of bribes and threats.

KC: OK. When you say “they,” who’s they?

BF: Well, this is what you’d call the
Council on Foreign Relations,
Bilderbergs. Now, the
Trilateral Commission comes up, but that’s not got
any power because… The Trilateral Commission was set up by the
Rockefellers because the Bilderbergs were too racist to let the Japanese
in. So it was made as a forum for the Japanese to have their say. And at
first some very high level Japanese joined. OK? You have like prime
ministers and stuff in there.

But the Japanese say: Well, hey, they
didn’t listen to us. I’ve talked to many members of the Trilateral
Commission, right? So now you have, as the head of the Japanese side, is
the president of Fuji-Xerox. You know, before they had Prime Minister
Miyazawa, right? So it’s a big drop, like the Japanese say: To hell with
your Trilateral Commission, essentially, because you won’t even listen
to us.

KC: So Takenaka’s guy that comes to you and makes this offer to be a
Freemason is sent by “Who” at the top?

BF: Well, Takenaka was a disciple of Henry Kissinger’s. And Henry
Kissinger works for David Rockefeller. And I had accused Takenaka of
selling the Japanese financial system to Rockefeller. OK? So basically
if you, like, imagine a video game, right? A pyramid. And the first step
in the pyramid is the boy scouts, right? And about the 4th step is the
Rotary club and you keep rising up.

Well, I was getting right to the top
level, because they told me when they offered me to join
the Freemasons,
they said: Look, above the 33rd level there’s 13 levels. OK? And
remember the US dollar bill? The pyramid on top? The Eye represents the
people who set the human race to the job of pyramid-building. So you see
It’s an unfinished pyramid. OK?

So above the 33rd step are 13 steps. And this is the inner group of
about 10,000 people who control the west. And I would say a lot of them
are very decent people who really wish to do good things and did not
wish to find themselves within those ranks but had no choice. I’d be
willing to say that the majority of the people in that elite group are
good people with good hearts who want to do good things for the planet
and find themselves in this hidden King’s Court .

KC: OK. So you got this offer.

BF: Right.

KC: What did you do next?

BF: Well, what happened was, the very next day I got a call from a movie
director, a Japanese movie director, and he says to me: I want to talk
to you about something. So I met him and he said: There’s someone I want
you to meet. So I went to another hotel room. Right? They seem to like
hotel rooms, you know, when they want to talk about important stuff. And
again I recorded this, although I’ll never release this recording. The
guy tells me that he represents an Asian secret society and that they
have 6 million members, including 1.8 million gangsters and 100,000
professional assassins.

Now, recall I did tell you I had a degree in Asian studies with a China
area specialty. So I had read about this society in the history books. I
knew about them. It’s the Red and the Green. What happened was, the Ming
Empire was like the high point of Chinese civilization. You’ll find that
the Ming ceramics, the Ming art, everything was at the highest level. It
was really an idyllic society and they look back at it with a lot of
fondness.

And, there was a General guarding the northern border against
the Manchus and he was very much in love with his wife. And they
kidnapped his wife. They said: If you want your wife back, you’re going
to
have to let us through the gates. And he did. And the Ming Empire fell
and the Ming army became an underground organization, and the Ming navy.
OK?

So the Red and the Green are the army and the navy. And the Green also
is the bureaucracy. So, the 1.8 million are gangsters. The other 4.2
million are intellectuals, PhDs. They’re the smartest people. And their
plan was to overthrow the Manchus and restore the Ming. They were
responsible for the Boxer Rebellion which was against the use of opium,
among other things. And—this is very interesting—because the people
selling the opium was
Skull & Bones! So they’ve been fighting this
western secret society since the 1800s at least.

KC: OK. But wasn’t it the British that introduced opium?

BF: It was the British, too, but if you look at the Skull & Bones,
you’ll find they were slave traders and opium runners. That was their
so-called China trade. So it was both.

KC: So you’re in this hotel room and, now, you understand the background
between what he’s asking you and saying where he…

BF: Well, they’re saying they’d like to offer their assistance to me,
because I’d written in a book about SARS and bio-weaponry and these
people are trying to kill you and you’ve got to do something about it.
Right?

KC: OK.

BF: At first… I mean, this was all happening in one week. Right? And
this was totally, you know, out of the normal parameters type of stuff
that’s going on. So it took me a while to digest it. The first thing I
thought was: Well, jeez, we could play 9/11 videos in Chinatown or
something. But I said: Look, let me get back to you. Let me think about
this. And I spent about a month thinking about it.

And I had this great, what I call my “Kill Bill” moment. You know
there’s a scene in the movie “Kill Bill,” these two women fighting with
swords. It looks like it’s going to be a long, nasty fight? You’re not
going to be sure who’s the winner. Right? But one of the women (the bad
one) has one eye missing. She has a patch. Suddenly she grabs the
[other] eye and blinds her and ends the fight.

KC: Yeah. Unbelievable. Very, very graphic.

BF: Very graphic, but I thought: Hey, why not just target the Eye of the
Pyramid? Because most westerners don’t even know it exists. They’re so scared at the top. I mean, they kill so many people so
frequently, that they’re terrified. They’re very secret. It had been,
until the internet came about .You know? Nobody knew about this. I
certainly wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t run into it first hand.
But then I found the evidence trail.

Again, you follow these foundations
and who controls them; you’ll see that the Rockefellers control about
$10 trillion worth of stuff.

But anyway, I realized the Society has 6 million members and the western
Secret Society, the top is only 10 thousand. So it’s 6 million against
10 thousand. So suddenly I said: Well, that’s it! We’ve got these
bastards.

And that’s when I started writing the stuff on Rense and, you
know, making …

KC: OK. So you must have gone back to this group. What do you call this
group now? Because they’re a group of Yakuza and Chinese secret society.

BF: It’s the Red and the Green Society.

KC: And you must have joined them, because you’re not dead.

BF: Yeah, well, I went to meet all their big bosses.

KC: In China?

BF: In Taiwan. And I joined. I became the first westerner in 500 years
to join.

KC: And then Rockefeller or, I don’t know if you want to say
“Rockefeller” - but whoever, the head of the Freemasons - had to leave
you alone at that point?

BF: Well, I mean, what the Chinese or the Asians said was: Look, we
won’t make the first move. But what happened was, I started writing
stuff about Takenaka and Rockefeller. And I got death threats from this
Ninja, you know?

He was saying, you know: Ultraman, you’re running out
of time, your red light is beaming. You know: It’s people who think
they’re not going to die are the ones that end up in Yokohama Bay. Lots… I
have emails; I have copies of these death threats.

KC: Did you have a body guard at that point? Did you hire someone?

BF [sighs]: No. Look - if you need a body guard, it’s too late. You have
to operate at a higher level. I mean, if they really want to shoot me,
they’re going to shoot me. You have to make them not want to shoot you.
That’s the trick.

KC: OK. And now because you joined this group and because the odds… I
mean, that made big news when you kind of came out about that.

BF: But what happened was, I sent an email saying: Hey, look, if you
kill me, then every member of the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Schiff, etc.
families, will die. You know, there’s 600 assassins for every one of
them, if we want to. Right? If the norm is killing, they can all be
killed. Right?

KC: We understood that to be the Majestic - the group - what we call the
Committee of the Majority. They were in essence the ones that were
threatened. Is this your understanding?

BF: Yeah. That was the original idea but what’s happened since then is
I’ve been trying to get a more accurate picture of what’s going on. And
I’ve finally narrowed it down to the people who control the Standard Oil
monopoly and the people who control the Fed. They are the source of the
problem.

The oil monopoly… The Americans think that’s the key to their
geopolitical power, is control of oil. But they’ve lost that control
because Putin kicked them out of Russia, they don’t control Iran, or
maybe they do, I don’t know about that. I think Ahmadinejad and
Bush may
be working for the same king. I’m not sure on that one. But Venezuela is
also free. So they’re losing their oil monopoly.

And the other thing that’s happened is that they no longer have,
theoretically, the military ability to take on the rest of the world.
OK? The United States army cannot defeat China. They’re done many
different exercises and every time the Americans lose. The bottom line
is the Chinese people are prepared to fight and win a nuclear war. They
can put their entire population underground and hit the US with 300
missiles and wipe out every city in the US. The Americans can wipe out
the surface of China but they’ll all be underground. And they can sink
their aircraft carriers and shoot down their satellites. So it’s no
longer possible to militarily beat them.

The only choice for the Pentagon (and they know this) is to get soft
power and to do that they need Japanese money to finance a campaign to
end poverty and stop environmental destruction.

And that’s the proposal I made.

My plan, my mission is to come up with a win-win solution for everybody.
The best way to prevent yourself from being killed is not to make
enemies. And so I don’t want to make enemies. I’m trying to make
everybody happy.

KC: OK. But you’re basically taking what I thought were sort of age-old
enemies, which is the Chinese and Japanese, and they’re banding together
to fight what is the Rockefellers and the people that own…

BF: Well, when they create biological weapons that kill Asians…

KC: They have a common enemy.

BF: I mean, look, they’re going to try to kill us. What’re we
going to do?

KC: Right.

BF: And this society, like I say, to get back to their history… The
Meiji Emperor helped them overthrow the Ching and install the Sun
Yat-Sen as president of the Republic of China. And so, they, together,
helped liberate China. And during World War II, this society in Japan
and other Asian countries all worked in concert. So it goes all across
Asia. And Chairman Mao was financed by the Soviets, who were a
Rothschild subsidiary. And so the Green and the Red gang last appeared
in the history books in 1949, fighting the communists in Shanghai.

And
then they disappeared. They went underground again.

But in 1967 they kicked out
the Illuminati from China. That’s why they
had a big Soviet-China split, why the Soviet Union and China nearly went
to nuclear war. And the Chinese have secretly prepared. They’ve built
these huge underground cities to prepare for nuclear war. They had their
nuclear weapons. And that’s when they kicked them out. And China became
independent again from these western, you know, central banking
families.

KC: OK. So where does HAARP fit in? Tell us about that.

BF: OK. When I published some essays on the internet about Rockefeller
and the Illuminati, the secret history of the Illuminati, I had a call
from this Ninja guy. He says: Oh boy, you’ve now done it. Now there’s
going to be an earthquake in Niigata. The Americans are going to use their
earthquake machine. And boom, next day, two identical 6.8 earthquakes
under Japan’s biggest nuclear reactor happened.

KC: Right.

BF: And this is what Takenaka told me. He said: The reason I had to hand
over the financial system was because they threatened us with their
earthquake machine.

Imagine that! An ally that’s been financing your army, you hit their
nuclear reactor with an earthquake machine??? I mean, what sort of way
is that to treat a friend?

KC: So, OK. Let’s get down to it. If that’s what they have, then how are
these secret societies claiming to fight a machine like that? Because
you’re talking about scalar weaponry, I’m sure you know that.

BF: Well, you cannot stop an assassination with an earthquake machine.
You know? Western people don’t know about their leaders, their true
leaders. So all you got to do is assassinate them all. You cannot prevent
that with an earthquake machine. That’s the point of targeting the Eye.

But more to the point is, you make them a more generous offer. So I’m
saying to the people in the Pentagon that you have the job of saving the
planet and you’ll get even more money than now. Think about it. They
spent $600 billion, you know, to steal oil from Iraqis and pipeline
rights from Afghanis. For $600 billion, they could have a man on Mars.
They could have a base on Mars by now. So we’ll give them even more
money than they’re getting from these idiots who control the oil.

KC: But if they print money, why do they need money?

BF: Well, you know, here’s the trick, OK? And this is why it’s falling
apart this year. Since World War II they’ve basically said to countries:
OK, here’s the oil you’re allowed to have and here’s your dollars. And
the backing of the dollar was control over oil, and control over this
huge military machine - the threat of violence. And then, you know,
there’s $53 trillion in circulation. And again, the US government owes
$66 trillion to its own people.

So the United States needs to borrow something like a trillion dollars a
year now just to keep going. And they’ve been doing it for 40 years, so
they’re basically bankrupt. If you earn $13,000 a year and you have
$120,000 in debt and they say it’s time to pay back, well, what can you
do? Can they threaten violence? No. Because if it really came to it, the
Americans would lose. So they can no longer use their threat of violence
and they’ve lost their oil monopoly. So that’s it. Right?

So, if you’re in the Pentagon, you’re thinking: Well, jeez, the only
thing we can do now to save the day is to get all the non-Asian peoples
on our side. And the way you do that is, you be nice. You fight poverty
and you save the environment, you know, help them save the planet.

So, you know, I’m offering them a way out. What happens is, you replace
the dollar with a new currency. And it may be necessary to have some
kind of global currency. But not as these guys have been planning -
control in secret by a secret elite.

It has to be controlled by the people. Remember that. The key to
democracy is control over money by the people, not by a secret elite.
It’s the money that counts. If you lose control of your money, hand it
over to people you can’t see, you’re a slave.

That’s what you have to remember. Never, ever again, let some secret
power elite take control of your money away from you. That’s the key.
People work for money.

Bill Ryan: This message to the powers that
be was presumably heard when it was published by Henry Makow and by your
interviews on Rense last July. [Fulford nods yes] And those same people
will be watching this - there’s no doubt about it whatsoever. And what
indicators have you had that that message has been heard, action is
being taken, changes are being made? What are the pros and cons of this
in terms of measuring progress? Because a lot of people want to know the
answer to that question.

Benjamin Fulford: Well, look in the papers. You see, for example, the
reports in the New York Times from Davos. You see
George Soros saying
that the dollar will cease to be the key currency. You have stories in
the New York Times, again, saying that the Pentagon has changed their
basic doctrine to country-building. Right?

You have Prime Minister Brown
running around saying we got to put India and Brazil and some African
countries into the UN Security Council as permanent members. You know.
And then you see the US market like in a kind of short-circuit. Right?
Because something’s happening, you know?

Kerry Cassidy: Right, but you also see Japan, I mean, watching the news
daily here - and basically Japan is sort of on shaky ground as a result
of the US dollar getting on shaky ground. How does that link up?

BF: OK. Now, this is a false story that’s been around, that without the
American market everybody’s in trouble. But, you know, it’s like a
customer who comes to your bar and eats and drinks and never pays, you
know? Well, you’re not going to listen. You just have to sell to somebody
else who actually pays for it. You know?

KC: So you’re saying Japan is not really going on shaky ground. Well,
what is the purpose of this disinformation?

BF: Well, here’s the tricky part. The Japanese want to maintain their
alliance with the United States. OK? So, the idea is to remove these
gangsters from the top of the American political structure who control
everybody with money; reassure the Americans; maintain the alliance; and
then reorient the Pentagon to ending poverty and exploring the universe.
Give them more money than before.

And the American economy - you write
off their debt and you give them new financing so they go and rebuild
their bridges, rebuild their infrastructure, you know, build new
schools - all the stuff that’s been neglected because they’ve been
spending so much money on trying to maintain the ability to physically,
you know, intimidate everyone else.

KC: Now you mentioned, I believe, on the update to Rense that you were
being offered the job of Finance Minister if the Democrats, I believe
you said, came into power here in Japan.

BF: No, I did not say I’ve been offered the job. I was offered the job
before on the condition that I participate in genocide. What’s happening
now is that the opinion polls show that the Democratic party is going to
win. And if they do, there will be some big changes in Japan. They’ll
maintain the alliance, but not as a colonial state, but as an equal
partner. And, you know, I know their leaders. I’ve met them. I’ve been
working with them for a long time. And if they give me the job, then and
only then would I be able to do this. OK? So, it’s up to them.

But they know my plan, which is to use the Pentagon to end poverty. And
it’s a good plan and it would strengthen the US alliance and it would be
the only way to counter-balance the Chinese. I mean, what are the
Chinese doing with their money? They’re going to Africa and they’re
building roads and hospitals and schools. They’re doing it in South
America and they’re doing it in Bangladesh. They’re doing it all over
the world.

Bill: And they’re creating markets for themselves.

BF: They’re creating markets, they’re making people rich, and they’re
making friends. And they’re not trying to say: You must be like us. You
know?

There are many different ways to run an economy. You cannot just force
everybody to follow YOUR rules. For example, if you have a “Big Man” in
Africa and all the money goes to him and he decides how it’s
distributed, well, that’s their system. You give it to the big man but
you just make sure that he doesn’t send it all to Switzerland, that it
actually goes to his people.

In the same way, for example, the Japanese have this system called dango.
Some people call it bid-rigging, right? But it works both ways. It’s a
system where the construction companies get together and decide who’s
going to get the job and the bureaucrats set the price. Now, if it’s
abused, it can force the price up too much. But when things go down, it
means they can share the pain too. So it’s not necessarily an evil
system. It’s how it’s managed.

The corollary is that there are many ways to run finance. It’s a
question of obligations. I mean, potlatch was a system of finance. You
know about potlatch?

KC: No.

BF: The Indians on the west coast of Canada would have a party and at
the party the guy would give away everything he owned during the party.
And then, you know, he would start going to other parties and start
building up stuff. And the guy who gave away the most had the highest
status. Right? So it was a way of maintaining financial equality.

KC: Spreading the wealth.

BF: And the people who spread the most were the most respected. It was a
good system but it was ruined when foreign traders came in and started
parasiting off of it and the Canadian government banned it. But the
point is that all these societies have had financial systems for
millennia, you know. It’s a way of distributing obligations among
people. That’s what it is.

Why do civilizations have to clash? I mean, why can’t they be friends?
[laughs] You know? That’s the point.

The Chinese don’t want to have some
ultimate war and they don’t want to conquer you. They just want to be
your friend. That’s it. It’s that simple. Make friends. Make love, not
war. [laughs again] I mean, that’s what it’s all about.

KC: OK. This all sounds incredibly wise and very level-headed. Bill,
let’s have your question, because I thought it was a good one.

Bill: Presumably, six months after you first delivered this message as a
sort of representative, as a messenger, to the powers that be in the
western world on behalf of the Asian secret societies, they, with their
ears to all kinds of intelligence in their own networks, must themselves
have given you some feedback about whether they felt that this message
had been effectively delivered or not. What have you heard from them
since then?

BF: I’ll be honest with you. I’m going next week to talk to them. And
so, it would be better to ask me later. But the only thing that they
disapproved of was when I made those threats to kill people. They say:
You know, that’s very rude and such things are best left unsaid.

But
what they’ve told me is that, you know, the old “Do what I say” - as
long as I stick within that original promise, which is the war against
poverty, and to save the environment from destruction, and to put an end
to war.

Those are the goals:

Permanent global peace

No more poverty

No
more environmental destruction

That’s the bottom line, and if I stick
to that, they’ll support me.

KC: When you met with Rockefeller and you interviewed him, and we
watched the interview - I mean, it felt to me as though he basically
sort of danced and side-stepped and never really directly dealt with
anything that you asked him. Now, I don’t know what your take was on
that interview.

BF: Well, look. I knew, you see, first of all, that if I had done a
hostile interview I would have got nowhere. And so I stuck to the way
corporate journalists are trained to talk to people like this, you know,
within his parameters.

KC: Right.

BF: But the point there was just to show people that I could had him
killed if I wanted to, that I knew where he was. I could have just
called up the guys and say, you know: Bring him to a warehouse
somewhere. The point is that all those people in the western elite now
know that if they travel anywhere in Asia—or in fact, anywhere in the
World—if I want to, I can get to them. But that’s not what I’m about.
I’m not a gangster. I’m not a murderer. I’m not a criminal. So I don’t
want to have to do that. I really don’t.

KC: But do you think that Rockefeller… I mean, did he give you any
indication, even after the interview when the cameras were off, that
things were changing or that things were going to change?

BF: Well, I mean, it’s really not in his hands anymore.

KC: OK.

BF: Because, like I say, the dollar can be destroyed. And oil is an
obsolete energy technology. You can burn water. You separate out the
hydrogen and burn it. And this whole nonsense about how you have to put
in more energy than you get out is just not true. There are many ways to
get at least four or five times more energy out of it than you put in. A
senior Japanese politician told me they had the technology for more than
30 years. There is a Nikola Tesla technology that’s 100 years old.

In other words, they’ve been holding back human technological progress
in order to maintain control over their oil monopoly and, you know, take
the peoples’ money. OK?

KC: Right.

BF: But now that’s come to an end. Oil does not have to be used any
more. And the Chinese are now developing these new technologies. It’s
just started, but you’ll see it.

KC: OK. Now we happen to be party to some very great information that
appears to be very solid, which says the Americans have had this free
energy for 40 years. All right? That they ARE terra-forming Mars, that
they DO have bases on the Moon, that China (they’re in another Moon race
as we speak right now), but supposedly China is basically trying to
follow them, in their footsteps. But, in other words, the stakes are
much higher than oil. Oil’s the cover story at this point.

BF: Well, if that is true, then it’s really a question of trust. It’s
really a question of realizing that it’s all one planet and we’re all
one people. And, you know, maybe they’re doing that, but I still see
ecosystems being destroyed on this planet. And I see a very, very
incompetently-managed Planet Earth.

There are so many things they could do: Why don’t they terra-form EARTH?
For example, they could put huge pumps in the dead parts of the tropical
oceans and pump the nutrients up to the surface, and you’d increase the
amount of fish by 10 times, for example.

If you end poverty, then people
aren’t going to have to, you know, burn down forests. You’ll end
environmental destruction, and you’ll have so many more intelligent
humans helping the planet. In other words, they should fix the problems
on Planet Earth. It’s easy to do. It’s just a question of cooperating
with all the other peoples.

Now, I would suggest… My idea for a new kind of replacement for the UN
Security Council is to have the Earth divided into 7 regions:

North and
South America

Europe

China

Japan and Southeast Asia

the Muslim
countries

India

Africa

Seven zones would each have one vote on
the Security Council. And a veto would only cover their particular zone,
so the Chinese can only veto decisions about China. And that would lead
to much more effective decision-making. And that would make it possible
to deal with things like over-fishing, poverty, environmental
destruction, all these problems. It’s a question of sharing the planet,
and the rulership of the planet, with the people of the planet.

So, if they really are terra-forming Mars and they really do have this
technology, then why are we still paying for gasoline at the gas
station? You know, that’s nonsense. That’s very, very criminally
wasteful of human resources and human potential.

KC: So, with all due respect, I would suggest that what you need to also
do is approach this whole “band of secrecy” that has covered the globe,
majorly at the Americans’ request or demand, that covers things like
free energy, like a secret space program, like, you know, the fact that
there may be other races from other planets visiting our globe. And this
is something that you don’t deal with.

BF: I don’t deal with it on purpose. Because, if there are other races,
then they’re not appearing on our TV sets and they’re not getting
involved in our politics in a way we can see, so this is sort of…
They’re leaving us on our own. So therefore I think we have to come up
with a human solution to the planet’s problems.

And if, then, we get
contact with other beings, then great. I think they’re waiting for us to
come up with a coherent and peaceful way of running the planet before
they’re willing to welcome us into, you know, a galactic society.
Because they don’t want to have a warlike society controlled by a
criminal clan heading out into the universe with huge weapons and stuff.
Right? So if I were them, I’d quarantine us until we came up with a
peaceful model for running our own planet.

KC: OK. So, I’d hire you in a second. I’d let you be Finance Minister
because you have such a great in-depth grasp of what is going on
economically on the planet and you also have a great vision for the
future. And both those things are really politically amazing, something
you never come across, especially in US politics, not to mention most
politics in other countries.

So, do you really think that you’re going to be successful? I mean, do
you have a group that’s supporting you? I understand that you have the
secret society. But beyond that, have you set up, I don’t know--a
network--prior to this?

BF: Yes. I mean, there’s a lot of Japanese politicians who support me. A
lot of intellectuals support me. The books I write are read by the most
intelligent people in Japan. They’re not, you know, reading for
entertainment. So it’s amazing, given the subject matter, how many
people do read them.

But, you know, they say the pen is mightier than
the sword. And I think I’ve convinced a “critical mass.” And the last
obstacle was this fear, but now the gangsters have also decided that
they like what I’m saying. And of course I’ve told them I’ll make sure
they prosper more under the new regime than the old, because this is
about win-win. Right?

KC: What about the American government? Has any politician from America
tried to contact you?

BF: I’ve been contacted by intelligence people. You know, like the CIA,
Pentagon, and Freemason people.

KC: OK. And have they continued to threaten you or are they trying to
work with you?

BF: They’re trying to work with me. I don’t think they see me as a
threat anymore. I think they understand that’s not what I’m about. I’m
here for a win-win solution, you know?

KC: Are you at liberty to tell us anybody in particular that you’ve
dealt with?

BF: Ah… Not at this point. But it’s clear that the problems have been
the oil monopoly and the military people, not the Pentagon, but the
military billionaires, the contractors and such. In other words, we need
to get rid of the oil monopoly.

BF: Yeah. It really boils down to that. Just quit keeping us addicted to
oil.

Bill: I understand what you were saying about the ethics of the secret
societies. In other words, they may well intend to take someone out if
they misbehave, but it’s very impolite to be so brazen about voicing it
publicly. These things are presumably meant to be implied and understood
without having to be so brazen and uncouth as to actually threaten
somebody. This is my take on what you’re saying there.

But just to fast-forward to a worst-case scenario, let’s say that there
are some factions in the Pentagon or behind the scenes that have an
interest for whatever reason, sane or insane, in starting some kind of
attack on Iran that could lead to nuclear escalation. Would you believe
that in that situation, then the societies would actually start to take
people out because this would be unacceptable?

BF: Yeah. Well, I mean, that would be, certainly, a line to be crossed
that shouldn’t be crossed. You know, if they’re going to try to kill
billions of people, then we’re going to have to kill 10,000 people in order
to prevent that, if necessary. And the arrangements have been made. It’s
just a matter of me sending an email or making a phone call or a matter
of someone coming and killing me.

KC: And what about war? I mean, are you approaching, like, are we
going to
have war with Iran? Are you working with these groups? Are you trying to
change that paradigm?

BF: The idea is to replace war with a different kind of economic
competition. So it would be like a peaceful war, sort of like a global
Olympics. For example, the Americans would compete with the Chinese to
develop Africa. Or, in other words, come up with some sort of way where
we’d periodically give everybody on the planet a goal that they all work
towards. Because one thing war has done in the past, it has motivated
people to go to extraordinary efforts. Unfortunately it’s been efforts
to kill and conquer.

But the idea of mobilizing people can be used for peaceful purposes. A
good example was Hitler starting up the Autobahn. He said: OK, you’re
all unemployed, you’ve got no work. All right, we’re going to build the
best highway system the world has ever seen. And they did. So never mind
all the genocide and stuff - that happened later - but just the idea
that you mobilize everybody.

So, for example, I’m asking for a 3-year campaign, at the end of which,
all environmental destruction will be stopped; every kid on the planet
[voices becomes choked with emotion] will have a full mind [wipes away
tears] and a full stomach; and human potential will be released. [wipes
away tears] And the economic benefits would be just totally
mind-boggling.

At the same time, instead of having something like
DARPA, you know,
high-tech research for the purposes of killing, make it high-tech
research for the purposes of promoting life. For example, immortality is
around the corner. If you could live another 30, 40 years, you could
probably live to be a thousand or more if you wanted. So they should put
as much resources as possible into that. And we can make ourselves more
intelligent with drugs, with gene therapies, to raise our intelligence.
We could have a kind of a paradigm shift, I mean a fractal shift,
really - like the Cambrian explosion - within a matter of maybe dozens
or hundreds of years at most. If we want.

If everybody raises their IQ to 200, 300, and they’ve got infinite free
power and immortality, who knows what we’re going to think up? It’ll set
off a kind of, you know, exponential explosion of progress, which you
can only begin to wonder and imagine what it’s going to be like.

But it’s real. It’s not some kind of science fiction. It’s all there in
the current technology. You can read it and see it.

KC: We have it within our grasp.

BF: Yes. And so we should really just go for it! I mean, try to save
every soul you can. If we can make everybody immortal, we should. And
then if there’s not enough room for them, we’ll have to go out into
space.

KC: But in essence, it seems like this threat that you’re talking about
the Yakuza and the
secret societies have made to, in essence, the
Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, right? - the ones that are at the very
top - that if things don’t change, they are basically going to be
motivated to, sort of, eliminate them?

BF: In other words, these people are being like dogs in the manger;
they’re trying to keep all the good stuff for themselves.

And I think that we can learn about the future by looking at our
evolutionary past. So when the billions and trillions of cells that make
up our bodies agreed to become part of one body, there was some serious
bargaining. So, you know, some cells got to be brain cells and some
cells had to be asshole cells, right? But to compensate, for example,
the assholes get lots of pleasure and they don’t have to work very hard
and they’re treated with respect. You know, people even lick them!

And so the point is, the some way, somebody’s got to collect garbage and
clean toilets. And you’ve got to give them shorter working hours, better
pay, and compensation for that work. In other words, by creating a
really good balance for all people, you’ll maximize human progress.
That’s the bottom line. It’s common sense. You don’t suppress people.
You lift them up and release their potential.

KC: Have you been contacted by
MJ-12 or what we know [as] the Committee
of the Majority, that you know of?

KC: OK. Well he is part of that group, or has been in the past, and he
actually sends his regards.

BF: OK.

KC: They’re quite aware of you. And what I was just wondering is if you
have been consciously, you know, dealing with them on any level. In
other words, I know you’re getting emails from members of intelligence. But
this is the group that basically comprises what we know of as the
“secret government” of the United States and possibly the world. OK?

BF: Well, I mean, all the contacts I’ve had have been indirect. I don’t
think they took me seriously until they realized I could get Mr.
Rockefeller or anybody else if I wanted to.

But the other thing is that I’ve been going through… You know, when I
was at Forbes, the job I was doing was so cushy and lax that I only
needed to work about one day a week and use 20% of my potential. Now
I’ve been in way over my head for a very long time. I’ve been forced to
expand my potential, you know, to just kind of deal with what I’ve taken
on.

And so, you know, my understanding of the situation has evolved and the
plans have evolved, but the idea is to bring this from the theoretical
to the real. And the goal is to have a big change in August ‘08. Just
make that a kind of a date. Just have a huge party.

KC: The date of the Olympics.

BF: Yeah. We’ll just have a huge party worldwide. And then promise no
more war, and then just agree that we’ll all work to save the planet.
All you have to do is focus on what you agree upon. And you’ll find that
people agree upon far more than they disagree about.

I remember when I first came to Japan. I was working in the English
Conversation Coffee Lounge and this lady is saying: How are the Japanese
different from westerners? I’m saying: Well, they’re different this way
and they’re different that way. And then she says: Well, how are they
the same? And it’s like I got hit by a bolt of lightning [makes zapping
sound]. My god, they’re 99.99% the same!

People everywhere - if you forget about the semantics and the “cultural
froth” - they want the same things. They agree, fundamentally. Nobody
likes poverty. Nobody likes environmental destruction. Nobody likes war.
So we agree on that. Then everything else can be discussed over a cup of
tea! No need to fight about it.

KC: OK. I know we’ve kept you for a long time, but just one or two of
our last questions.

BF: Hmm mm

KC: You’re dealing with secret societies, OK. But do these secret
societies let you in on their “secrets” yet?

BF: Well, some, yes. Well, it depends “what.” But, do I really need to
know? I think one of the secrets I’ve found out is the Yakuza all work
for the emperor, for example. They’re like the FBI and the CIA in this
country.

KC: OK. So how is the emperor taking your message?

BF: Well, I think he’s the guy who has been nudging me along on this
path, you know, secretly.

KC: OK.

BF: I wrote an essay a long time ago, saying if I was General McArthur,
what would I do? And I said, well, I’d, you know, invite all the best
experts in the world and try to make Japan the best country in every
single area possible. With the Meiji reforms they could only afford
second or third-level people but now they could hire every Nobel Prize
winner who ever lived who’s still alive. I mean, they’ve got $5 trillion
dollars. And just make Japan an example for the world.

KC: Um hmm...

BF: And that still could be done, you know? I think, for example, cities
should be covered with green. Trees and animals and plants should be
able to freely roam cities. There’s got to be a way to make nature and
cities compatible, for example. That’s something they could do. There’s
a lot of things. There’s so much potential if people are once again
allowed to dream about the future and then try to make those dreams come
true. It’s really a question, right now, of phenomenal waste.

And the Japanese know more than anybody—they have one resource. That’s
human brains. Most of the human brains on this planet are being wasted.
It’s the most valuable resource we have and it’s being wasted and
deliberately dumbed down and destroyed.

KC: What about the undersea cables that were recently cut, that
basically took the internet…? You heard of that?

BF: Yeah yeah yeah.

KC: OK. Well, many are saying that it’s too convenient that undersea
cables would be cut in two different areas exactly simultaneously,
taking out communications.

BF: I got a phone call from the number-three man in the Inagawa crime
gang saying that they were going to hit Kawasaki with HAARP sometime
between February 12th and 15th. And I think this is all kind of immature
posturing and hollow threats that are really, kind of, not dignified.
And, you know, there’s going to be no losers, right? So there should be no
reason to try to do this.

I mean, these people have been having this plan, right? To eliminate,
you know, 4 billion people, and then give the rest of the planet a high
level standard of living in harmony with nature. But the reason they’ve
had this plan is because they couldn’t understand other cultures. And
they couldn’t impose their own culture on these other cultures. And
that’s the essence of the problem. If they realized that they have so
much to learn, and there’s so much human potential that’s going to be
wasted, they’ll realize it was a very stupid plan in the first place.

And the idea of wanting to enslave humanity is not the way it’s supposed
to be. They’re supposed to lead humanity. And that means behaving the
way that people want them to lead. And that should be easy for them.

So, you know, for example, if they want to have all of Israel, then the
easiest thing would be to pay a million dollars or so to each
Palestinian, you know, and then they can build their temple. And, you
know, if they finance research on immortality and super powers I think
that would fulfill their biblical prophesies, these people who are
obsessed with creating a sort of Armageddon, right?

I would still invite them. I’d say: Look, you know, you’ve been
preparing for this for so long and you’ve spent so much money on this.
Give us a show, you know? Make it a virtual Armageddon. You know, put up
screens. Turn on your hologram machines, whatever it is, you know. And
you can make it come true without killing billions of people. You’re not
going to be able to kill billions of people anyway. Because even in the
Pentagon, I think they understand now that these people have been
obsessed with, you know, an ancient book and they’ve lost touch with
reality. You know?

KC [laughs]: That’s a great way to put it—very simple, very direct, and
very true.

BF: And so look at the reality. You’ve got a situation where wonderful
things are going to happen, more wonderful than they can imagine.

KC: OK. One last question: Magic, OK? You obviously have been trained to
some degree in the occult and what goes on behind the scenes. So you’ve
got, you know, “entities” that represent good and evil, for lack of a
better way of associating it, and you know that you’re dealing with
these forces when you’re approaching the world in this way. Have you
been dealing with this, and do you feel that you sort of have the good
on your side at this point?

BF: You know, I don’t usually like to talk about this stuff because
people will start thinking I’m a weirdo. But if you ask my girlfriends,
for example, they tell me that at night I’m not there. The only thing
that’s left is my body, I mean the animal functions. I leave my body
every night.

KC: Uh hm... We all do, in my opinion.

BF: Yeah.

KC: But what are you saying with that?

BF: I’ve had some very, very unusual experiences. Like I had one
experience in particular where it felt like my entire nervous system was
almost overloaded with information. And it was an image of the planet as
an egg about to hatch, you know, really burst out into billions and
trillions of species, you know. It’s like the Cambrian explosion. It
really was so intense that there’s no really good way of describing it.
But it’s not something that you could have through a vivid dream or
hallucination, because it was like almost total overload, like a giant
zap of energy, way beyond anything I’d normally possess.

KC: Um hmm...

BF: There’s a lot of very mysterious stuff been going on. But I try not
to mix that in because I’m trying to stay at the lowest common
denominator of everybody’s understanding. Because, you start talking
about stuff like this, all sorts of people are going to get turned off
and say: Oh, he’s a weirdo. He’s a flake.

KC: Right.

BF: So, you know, I try to stick within the matrix of everybody’s
paradigms and frameworks in order to make sure they understand the
information.

KC: But you know you’re working outside the matrix at this point, or you
have the potential to.

BF: Oh yeah, definitely. You know, actually I have a problem. I spend so
much time outside the matrix, I have trouble earning a living these
days, if I have to get back in and do stuff to pay my bills, you know.

KC: Right. So the bottom line is that you don’t have a job,
actually - yet - as Finance Minister, should that come about. So in
essence here you are in this incredibly interesting position, but it
doesn’t pay the bills.

BF: Well, yeah. I mean, I have jobs. I do pay my bills, you know, but
I’m now working towards this. We’re close. I’m saying the target date is
August 8, [2008]. I’ll go to Taiwan. I’ll talk to the society. You know,
lots of big things are going to be happening, you know, but I’m just hoping
that… The best thing is that everyone agree that we need a fresh start,
just to clean the slate, have a big party, and then just change the way
we run the planet.

I mean, the post-war system has become dysfunctional and the idea that
a
tiny western minority can rule the planet is obsolete. It’s not working.
And that’s what we have to get these people to understand. And it’s not
going to be a threat to them. It’s going to be a huge benefit to them.
It’s going to be something they will be wishing they had done years ago,
like: Why didn’t we think of that? Why didn’t we do this sooner?

KC: OK. Do you have family members behind you?

BF: Yeah. I have a lot of people behind me. My family in Canada - I
don’t have much contact with them, so they think probably I’ve gone off
the deep end, you know. [Kerry laughs] But senior politicians in Japan
and the heads of
the Yakuzas and stuff, they know where I’m coming from.

KC: Thank you.

Bill: Is there a final message that you’d like give anyone who happens
to be watching this video, to see what you’re going to say next?

BF: It’s just going to be… Wonderful, wonderful things are going to happen.
That’s the idea. Just absolute magic. I mean, everybody’s dreams will
come true. That’s the goal.