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Re: General Football Debates!

There's alot of beautiful word's you said about Mou Escorpiius but in the end he's a scum :3 At some point unprofessional, ignorant spoiled brat He's work is to manage team not built or defend his reputation, some times I think he should manage clubs in less serious leagues, where clowns are allowed to atrack more viewrs

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Does "dropping La Liga" mean to end up 3rd place with a considerable points gap? I don't really think so. At least not for a team like them. Real Madrid are making the League look so boring this year...

And what gave me a shock was Mou saying that Adan is better than Casillas. Seriously?! That is beyond everything lol.

Mou's problem is that whenever they win, he gets the credits; whenever they loose the players must be punished because it's only their fault. It never, ever, I repeat, NEVER is his fault. All the world is against him. Poor guy!

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Originally Posted by Grim

There's alot of beautiful word's you said about Mou Escorpiius but in the end he's a scum :3 At some point unprofessional, ignorant spoiled brat He's work is to manage team not built or defend his reputation, some times I think he should manage clubs in less serious leagues, where clowns are allowed to atrack more viewrs

Your adjectives may click onto Mourinho to most extent but it's part of him. That being said, he's been successful also along with "unprofessional, ignorant spoiled scum-brat", no matter how much you want to demote him to 3rd-class leagues. He's a manager but not the typical happy-going friendly type of coach. His biggest forte isn't in forming players, or in recruitment. He's good when it comes to tactics and mainly to mentally motivate and prepare his squad. And that's basically where he can't do anything at Madrid. He doesn't have the support of fans and media and once some players go against him, he fails miserably as his talk brainwash do not occur. The more I think of it, the more I like my comparison to a dictatorial type of manager - where similar to a dictator, he uses more words and tactics than guidance or maintenance.

Originally Posted by Gilda

Does "dropping La Liga" mean to end up 3rd place with a considerable points gap? I don't really think so. At least not for a team like them. Real Madrid are making the League look so boring this year...

And what gave me a shock was Mou saying that Adan is better than Casillas. Seriously?! That is beyond everything lol.

Mou's problem is that whenever they win, he gets the credits; whenever they loose the players must be punished because it's only their fault. It never, ever, I repeat, NEVER is his fault. All the world is against him. Poor guy!

Dropping "La Liga" means to just grab the CL-qualifying spot for next year and nothing else. Yeah, points-gap doesn't really matter even if it makes Liga even more boring. That being said, Barca can lose some more match to add some spice.

Well, he cares for his own ass more obviously. He will never come to the press who are waiting to butcher him as XMas thanksgiving by exclaiming "I don't like Casillas, so I benched him as disobeying me is much more fatal than Madrid losing yet again." Though honestly, that's exactly what happened as we may guess.

Well, he's a pedagogue and a verbal brain washer with his players but when he doesn't get some of the players' ears, he blames it on the players. It's fault of both parties but it's mainly of Mou who instead of helping some of his players' out of misery, puts them further underground as punishment. There's really a big difference in culture and method between Mou and previous Madrid managers, as it's mainly the Real legends - Casillas, Ramos - who knew many previous coaches at Madrid and who can't seem to accept Mou's managerial skills at all. I wouldn't be surprised if he puts Casillas back into goal in the next match but strips him of his captaincy.

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Originally Posted by Escorpiius

Your adjectives may click onto Mourinho to most extent but it's part of him. That being said, he's been successful also along with "unprofessional, ignorant spoiled scum-brat", no matter how much you want to demote him to 3rd-class leagues. He's a manager but not the typical happy-going friendly type of coach. His biggest forte isn't in forming players, or in recruitment. He's good when it comes to tactics and mainly to mentally motivate and prepare his squad. And that's basically where he can't do anything at Madrid. He doesn't have the support of fans and media and once some players go against him, he fails miserably as his talk brainwash do not occur. The more I think of it, the more I like my comparison to a dictatorial type of manager - where similar to a dictator, he uses more words and tactics than guidance or maintenance.

So you agree that he's unproffessional just like Baloteli :D Good but slightly with issues

ps. I was shocked to see Chelsea go 8-0 against AV, EPL delivers and RVP almost got his head cleared :D

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either you hate or like him, Mourinho is the special one, just like what Escorp said

If we were to do an analogy of Mourinho as a coach, he can be said to be a dictator. He'll crush all opposition. He won't accept rebel or defying attitudes. He wants people to follow his thinking. And he may resort to threats and radical choices in extreme situations. But if you were to follow him on his said-route, he can be a fantastic leader that can lead you to triumph.

In Mourinho we trust, he did succeed last season, so i see no reason why we should crucify him for this "bad result".

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either you hate or like him, Mourinho is the special one, just like what Escorp said

In Mourinho we trust, he did succeed last season, so i see no reason why we should crucify him for this "bad result".

With team such as RM I wouldn't say he was very successful ever since he left Inter. What he did with Chelsea / Inter hands down something but come on... he's losing motivation in managing that club. Pep felt it and left it for good :3

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So you agree that he's unproffessional just like Baloteli :D Good but slightly with issues

ps. I was shocked to see Chelsea go 8-0 against AV, EPL delivers and RVP almost got his head cleared :D

Balotelli is 100 times more unprofessional than Mou. Mou can be termed as unprofessional only if we regard that he never draws a line between football and ego differences. Other than that, he does what people in football profession chose him for, to win trophies.

Balotelli is a demented case. He can go to a psychiatric from Day 1 to Day 365 and he'll still remain stupid. And that's kindly put together. Even if I tried my hardest, I can't describe Balotelli.

Poor Gatsy
The despicable action on RVP is NOT funny at all. He could have got a serious neck injury or worse. A.Williams will most likely be sentenced by FA Committee if found guilty (which should be an obvious yes!). Usually, when guilty, the sentence varies between a minimum 3 matches to a maximum 15 matches - with fines optional in case depending on severity of the player's deed. A point blank range-shot, for no reason, is already dirty but I think it was way too over the line by targeting the neck.

If you look at Williams' intensity and anger on his face, it's clearly intentional with intention to hit RVP and hurt him. Given the force, he is shooting the ball and the distance between the ball and RVP's neck...that was extremely low and dangerous. Could have lead to neck injury, severe neck spasms or even a back-head concussion. I hope, he gets atleast 8 matches suspension.

Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi

either you hate or like him, Mourinho is the special one, just like what Escorp said

In Mourinho we trust, he did succeed last season, so i see no reason why we should crucify him for this "bad result".

Mou is special for many reasons; some good and some bad obviously.

You do realize Madrid might end trophyless with the way how Mou is coaching and also how the players are unwillingly accepting his gameplans. Last season's success, he had more support. Even if media repeatedly slammed him, last season, most fans were behind him and most importantly, players supported him and to an extent, believed in him. Now, it's no more the same. Not the same in preparation. And eventually, not the same in result!

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His motto or not, if they just throw it away, he along with Madrid will be known as cowards. Even the bottom team fight to get somewhere on the table, so he can't make a fight because, because he assumes/knows he lost? That will make all the Madrid fans happy won't it.

Mold yourself to Mou's ideals? As far as I see molding to Mou, they created a divide in his first season among the Spanish international because of this so called "molding" you speak of, after they got thrashed 5-0. They backed Mou even after all the problems that have gone on. This is why Barcelona rejected his sorry a.ss for these behaviours, even tho he would've been guarantee titles. Anyways I hope Madrid are happy you finally ended Barcelona reign in style and Barcelona are going to outclass you this year by doing it even better style (This could bite me in the ass after).

Perhaps, but a lot will want too leave and it depends on signings and the next coach they get that can convince the players to remain rumours have it Rafa If he doesn't become Chelsea manager. Madrid fans were always behind Mou chanting his names famous people such as, Paz Vega, Penelope Cruz, Elsa Pataky, as well as Nadal and Alonso (F1) all praised Mou and put support behind him and your telling me he doesn't have support from Madristas? The thing with Italian/Spanish league are you hardly have coaches down your throat, evne the rivals one they don't go head to head in press room. In EPL every time they all go at it, arguing about a call, defending a call, accusing others for something. I'm not saying those leagues don't do it, but not as much, even when Mou would say stuff to Pep, he'd just shrugg it off, until the one famous press conference of his were people gave Pep stand ovation.

As far as Mou at United, don't worry your teams safe, Charlton says: "You are right. He (Mou) pontificates too much for my liking. He's a good manager, though."

Even than Mou isn't even Madrid best dictator, that was Franco he delivered a lot for them from 1950-1975. He can lead them to triumph only in 2 year gap tho, so he needs a ready made team. He had that with Porto/Inter, but when he started construction with Chelsea, 3rd year failure started, Madrid same thing 3rd year failure again. He cannot handle the pressure for long term.

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Originally Posted by Grim

With team such as RM I wouldn't say he was very successful ever since he left Inter. What he did with Chelsea / Inter hands down something but come on... he's losing motivation in managing that club. Pep felt it and left it for good :3

rumor has it that pep left because he don't have the player support (they don't listen to him anymore),
but they/Mou will bounce back the 1st step is to take out the "other" Manchester from UCL for good.

Originally Posted by Escorpiius

Mou is special for many reasons; some good and some bad obviously.

You do realize Madrid might end trophyless with the way how Mou is coaching and also how the players are unwillingly accepting his gameplans. Last season's success, he had more support. Even if media repeatedly slammed him, last season, most fans were behind him and most importantly, players supported him and to an extent, believed in him. Now, it's no more the same. Not the same in preparation. And eventually, not the same in result!

i know right, but only if you don't count super copa, and like i said they might win the CL after all they only gonna up against the other Manchester team....

EDIT about RVP Incident LMAO: c'mon escorp it was not intentional he just want to clear the ball,
but since it was MANU i reckon FA will investigate this clumsy incident

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Originally Posted by Totsuka No Tsurugi

rumor has it that pep left because he don't have the player support (they don't listen to him anymore),
but they/Mou will bounce back the 1st step is to take out the "other" Manchester from UCL for good.

I'd take it as rumor.. after all who made them who they are? Messi, Iniesta, xavi etc and sold all the superstars such as Ronaldinho, Deco, Ibra and Eto'o

but another rumor says that Pep Guardiola would have stayed to Camp Nou if the club had agreed to sell Gerard Pique, David Villa, Dani Alves and Cesc Fabregas.

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I'd take it as rumor.. after all who made them who they are? Messi, Iniesta, xavi etc and sold all the superstars such as Ronaldinho, Deco, Ibra, Henry and Eto'o

but another rumor says that Pep Guardiola would have stayed to Camp Nou if the club had agreed to sell Gerard Pique, David Villa, Dani Alves and Cesc Fabregas.

This is what Alves said, "Pep said that he would only leave when we were no longer responding to him"

I heard about him wanting to sell them also, he wanted Villa out only because of his age and Barcelona could earn money off him. Alves/Pique were poor and I guess didn't get a long. Pep didn't want Fabregas to begin with ATM. They are rumours at the end Pep wanted to leave in 2011 after winning the league/CL and even at the end of 2010 he wanted out.

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well after all he did it once and succeed ... why not sell them again and go with what Pep wanted... anyways I'm very pleased with Tito's coaching but after all ... who's the master who created this force.. another thing that bothers me is Neymar....with so much young and talented forwords another expensive spending could be reather pointless...I just read one really good article about good and bad sides to this '' so called'' finished deal

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Originally Posted by Grim

well after all he did it once and succeed ... why not sell them again and go with what Pep wanted... anyways I'm very pleased with Tito's coaching but after all ... who's the master who created this force.. another thing that bothers me is Neymar....with so much young and talented forwords another expensive spending could be reather pointless...I just read one really good article about good and bad sides to this '' so called'' finished deal

ps. if Pep > ManU rumor is true It could be VERY interesting

Can't doubt Pep. Neymar was also a problem, actually Pep didn't want Neymar and the deal is done. Barcelona already paid 20 million, if anyone else takes Neymar tho Barcelona earns 50 million, so they invested right. Neymar, Santos coach and president want him to go to Barcelona as do Dinho/Robinho/Alves. I have a feeling if CR leaves Madrid we may see him there tho, who knows.

Neymar is the "next big thing" he's not really needed at Barcelona, tho if him and Messi create a good partnership with Xavi/Iniesta behind them, will anyone actually stop them? Its possible we could see Puskas/Di Stefano combo again except this time with Messi/Neymar. It'll all depend on Neymar at the end his team work rate, his consistency/cooperation. This could also effect the youth academy, as many players won't get first team chances, as Neymar/Messi will always be there. Hence we may sell like we did Fabregas, etc.

Cruyff said it best, "The one department where Barcelona don't lack anything is scoring goals. So if you ask me whether they need Neymar, I'm going to have to say no," Cruyff said to Catalunya Radio.

"Just look at the amount of goals they score. They already have good options up front."

Tho I'm sure Messi scores 60% of those goals, so assistance for him would be nice to have if Pedro/Sanchez/Villa don't step up to the plate. If Messi gets shut down (VS Chelsea SF), than Barcelona could be screwed if someone doesn't show for those games.

Rosell is doing this for business like Perez does at Madrid, Neymar = bring a long a big Brasillian fan base, many jersey of Neymar would be sold, etc.

Pep looks like the fav to take over SAF, but that depends when he steps down, right now Pep is a wanted man by every big club, even Milan looked into it, but they recently said City may get him.

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Originally Posted by ReLax -

Can't doubt Pep. Neymar was also a problem, actually Pep didn't want Neymar and the deal is done. Barcelona already paid 20 million, if anyone else takes Neymar tho Barcelona earns 50 million, so they invested right. Neymar, Santos coach and president want him to go to Barcelona as do Dinho/Robinho/Alves. I have a feeling if CR leaves Madrid we may see him there tho, who knows.

Neymar is the "next big thing" he's not really needed at Barcelona, tho if him and Messi create a good partnership with Xavi/Iniesta behind them, will anyone actually stop them? Its possible we could see Puskas/Di Stefano combo again except this time with Messi/Neymar. It'll all depend on Neymar at the end his team work rate, his consistency/cooperation. This could also effect the youth academy, as many players won't get first team chances, as Neymar/Messi will always be there. Hence we may sell like we did Fabregas, etc.

Cruyff said it best, "The one department where Barcelona don't lack anything is scoring goals. So if you ask me whether they need Neymar, I'm going to have to say no," Cruyff said to Catalunya Radio.

"Just look at the amount of goals they score. They already have good options up front."

Tho I'm sure Messi scores 60% of those goals, so assistance for him would be nice to have if Pedro/Sanchez/Villa don't step up to the plate. If Messi gets shut down (VS Chelsea SF), than Barcelona could be screwed if someone doesn't show for those games.

Rosell is doing this for business like Perez does at Madrid, Neymar = bring a long a big Brasillian fan base, many jersey of Neymar would be sold, etc.

Pep looks like the fav to take over SAF, but that depends when he steps down, right now Pep is a wanted man by every big club, even Milan looked into it, but they recently said City may get him.

rep for fan base + also Nike is majour sponsor of Barca and Brazilian international team

I don't know how much have you been stalking Neymar but with his russhing but yet very beatiful play I'm not sure how would he play for Barca... unless indeed they will use him as crazy left wing lol and bringing changes to already topTOP club might be not a very good idea... but again you don't want your rivals to get him.. such as Madrid.

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Originally Posted by Grim

rep for fan base + also Nike is majour sponsor of Barca and Brazilian international team

I don't know how much have you been stalking Neymar but with his russhing but yet very beatiful play I'm not sure how would he play for Barca... unless indeed they will use him as crazy left wing lol and bringing changes to already topTOP club might be not a very good idea... but again you don't want your rivals to get him.. such as Madrid.

Naymar is a good individual player, but Barcelona system is 90% base on teamwork and 10% base on individual and you better be able to pull it off too Obviously seeing Neymar play is why people don't think he'd be good for FCB and their system, but we don't know if he'd be able to adapt into it. He's young and has a lot of growing to do, as well as can develop to be among the best. He'd have to be a winger, with Messi and his form, you'd actually think of putting anyone else in the centre other than Messi? Neymar is more of a CR like player. It won't matter if Madrid get him, Messi is enough TBH and Madrid would have to sell CR for him as well.

Pep to City, wouldn't be too bad. At least he can bring in anyone and when other players look at what he did for Barcelona, they wouldn't think twice before joining. I really see him at either United/Milan/Bayern tho.

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Originally Posted by ReLax -

Indeed.

Naymar is a good individual player, but Barcelona system is 90% base on teamwork and 10% base on individual and you better be able to pull it off too Obviously seeing Neymar play is why people don't think he'd be good for FCB and their system, but we don't know if he'd be able to adapt into it. He's young and has a lot of growing to do, as well as can develop to be among the best. He'd have to be a winger, with Messi and his form, you'd actually think of putting anyone else in the centre other than Messi? Neymar is more of a CR like player. It won't matter if Madrid get him, Messi is enough TBH and Madrid would have to sell CR for him as well.

Pep to City, wouldn't be too bad. At least he can bring in anyone and when other players look at what he did for Barcelona, they wouldn't think twice before joining. I really see him at either United/Milan/Bayern tho.

With Pep at City market will be full of players to sell/buy and with all the ''investors'' city has and ''ambition$$'' to win it wouldn't be a window shopping.

here's a quote about Nike

At present, Barcelona and the Brazil National Team are two of the brand's biggest clients worldwide, with Neymar the rising star of their stable. The chance to combine all three and make Neymar the iconic player of his generation would be an opportunity too good to miss for the brand's advertising department.

One thing ... Messi used to be go alone aswell... I bet Neymar could adopt to barcas style of play... for his own good!

another quote

Over the past eighteen months, however, the star has matured into a fine all-around player, often proving to be Santos' greatest source of creative inspiration in supplying those around him.

Just 20, Neymar is still in his formative stages. Even in two years' time, should he leave following the World Cup, Barcelona would have a 22-year-old signing with a vast array of experience to his name and still young enough to be pliable to the team's requirements.

Neymar is hard-working, professional and, despite how he is often portrayed by those who know little more about him than his extravagant hair-styles, he is a down-to-earth individual and a family man at heart.

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Escorp

I fully support the sheikh, but its just a plan now and has yet to be done. Isn't Mancini some what against it too and just wants to keep buying? I don't see it as a copy cat, matter of fact plenty of clubs have done it and recently we see it from Dortmund. If City can pull it off than go a head, but it takes a long time to get this stuff going and building on a system. I hope Pep succeeds outside, because he can bring in some kind of blueprint for the clubs to help them get started as he's no stranger to this. I would have loved to see Cruyff do this at other places as well.

I'll agree with you on that statement. Even then as I've said most these billionaires won't be around and with FFP it may change everything and billionaires "may" get turned off from buying clubs.

You are correct too a point, but I still stick to my view, let me explain a little better if I can. Hazard has recently admitted to wanting a dream move to Madrid, so he'd take a contract. The thing is if Barcelona/Madrid are determined to get you, than they will. Silva/Aguero, before they both went to City, Silva talks were going on eventually when Mou arrived nothing happened hence Silva went to City. Aguero was ready to join and Madrid wanted him, but I don't know what happen maybe because A. Madrid didn't want to sell him to them and Aguero wasn't promised a starting place? The thing is when signing a player it all depends on starting positions as well as club ambition, you know Barcelona/Madrid both have one. Sanchez was offered double the salary Barcelona are paying him from Madrid, but he choose us. Modric was offered more money at Chelsea and a starting place at Chelsea/United, but choose Madrid and is mostly warming the bench. As far as instalments go that could depend if a player isn't willing to play for that club they have to get rid of him, instead of letting him sit around doing nothing or waiting for contract to end for a free price, in desperation anything can happen. "Money influence football more than history" You right, but it doesn't change the fact they still want success. Many would tell you they'd trade money for success. Henry came to Barcelona and got slightly less pay if I can remember correctly because he wanted to win. CR he'd give a lot if he was guaranteed the Ballon. Messi/Xavi/Iniesta would do that for CL. I'm not saying all the players are like them, but most are.

The thing today is paying the clause for the player. Messi new contract if he's to leave Barcelona before the end he'd cost 312 million euros. The starting 11 in City, are quite costly (buyout clause) and most clubs don't want them yet. Madrid paid 80 million for CR, so you don't think they can pay for one or two of City? As I've said they need to guarantee a starting spot and the club must need them. For example if CR was to leave Madrid would try to get Neymar/Bale, if not him Rues/Gotze perhaps and they'd pay 50-60 million including starting spot. If Ozil left Madrid, they'd try for Mata/Hazard/Oscar/Silva, they'd be for sure guaranteed a starting spot you don't think they'd go? Laudrup said to Bale, your going to find it really hard to compete for a spot on Barcelona/Madrid if you go, even tho you maybe be one of the best in EPL, or the world doesn't mean you'll get into the starting 11, thats one thing right now that keeps players away, even Fabregas has trouble getting in. Look at Michu/Mata/Cazorla, they're beast in the EPL, but yet neither are in Spain squad yet or are bench players. Thats one thing that keeps players in these rich clubs till they're guaranteed a starting spot.

Money does, and perhaps they may, but I doubt it, or it maybe not in my life time, so if I pass before it happens. I'd pass knowing they never created a legacy with money These teams right now most are unstable with players/managers, so will see, if they'll reach current Barcelona level. They'll win thats not my concern, but rather is how they fair and consistent they are.

Madrid made a good chemistry in their first year. And second year were flying high.

Madrid Galacticos & Arsenal Invincible, were fantastic sides, tho will never know how they'd fair VS current Barcelona or 50's Madrid, 70's Ajax/Bayern, but I'd still give those sides the benefit of the doubt over Madrid & Arsenal.

Currently its not going good and FFP may prevent this for them. FIFA/UEFA will eventually put there football down if not today, maybe 10 years down the road who knows.

I'll take your word on SAF/Gill.

Well SAF did say that he had a buy back, but as you said they can't afford his fee, if Rooney get 250K a week CR will need at least 300K if not more.

I do believe Messi is on his way for the 4th, but again a twist of events can happen. I think Ineista may take a few points from both CR/Messi, which could give it to him long shot I know.

@Grim

True, Pep could lure a lot of player as well because of his history at Barcelona, the man may even bring Messi/Busquets, who knows. But as Totsuka said, he will try to get some La Masia players loaned.

Advertising is true, but we don't want Barcelona to end up like current Madrid. Perez decided to go that way 10 years later no CL and have gone throughout 5-10 coaches.

Messi has always been a team player, even when you look at his past games, he use to have great chemistry with Dinho, tho he played on the wing he had more room, so took advantage of it and even does it now, but Messi delivers majority of the time. Neymar has yet to spark in a huge competition with Brasil or Europe. The last time he met Messi Barcelona and Messi Argentina he got out classed by Messi.

Neymar has matured, it will happen with every footballer, Hazard/Oscar/Moura etc. I'm not saying that, but he hasn't been with us, its a different style in Spain and Barcelona requires a lot of patience/time/focus to get that right, look at Sanchez even he struggles to get in and was a top talent a few years back. Even Pato/Robinho looked good in their days look at them now. I've seen him and read some bad and good things about the man, but he's still has delivered in the big stages, it'll be hard to get the right assessment on him right now. I hope we get him, but am still speculate on that too. Perhaps after WC, he may not even come to Barcelona.