I would personally in this spot call vs BB raise and hope the BTN comes along...Thus on the turn assuming/hoping it don't pair, If BB again checks, I'd again donk it out, hoping they BTN tags along and thus BB does his RR and we jam then

#3

13th October 2012, 8:16 PM

JCgrind [2,490]

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Game: 6Max NLHE

^ who cares it button comes along? He has a 50bb stack. We care about the other guys 200bb stack, which is never going it without a raise. Plus, he's going to be scared of straight draws and consequently this is generally a pretty easy flop to get the nuts in. I 3b the flop to like $4.5, half pot the turn and ship the river

#4

13th October 2012, 8:18 PM

JCgrind [2,490]

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Game: 6Max NLHE

Also micro wtf is with your sizing on the flop? Half pot on that board?

#5

13th October 2012, 8:23 PM

c double [38]

Online Poker at: Bovada

Game: Holdem

re: Poker & $10 NLHE 6-max: Flopped a monster vs fish: raise or call?

He wants calls.. but I'm a raiser here. You can probably get the big stack all in, who knows if BB is even calling anyway

#6

13th October 2012, 9:30 PM

vanquish [12,006]

$8

#7

13th October 2012, 9:38 PM

naruto_miu [9,852]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: omaha

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCgrind

^ who cares it button comes along? He has a 50bb stack. We care about the other guys 200bb stack, which is never going it without a raise. Plus, he's going to be scared of straight draws and consequently this is generally a pretty easy flop to get the nuts in. I 3b the flop to like $4.5, half pot the turn and ship the river

By 3betting the BB aren't you actually letting him/her know our hand?

Now the reason I purposed this line was to actually make the bb feel more comfortable on the turn (since we want to get the bb in+hoping the BTN chooses to spazz out with like KQ/QJ/98)...If that were to happen and assuming the BTN does spazz out then BB could do 1 of 2 things..Either flat call/RR...If not then on turn we donk out H.P on the 1/2-2/3rds on the turn

#8

14th October 2012, 3:07 AM

JCgrind [2,490]

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Game: 6Max NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by naruto_miu

By 3betting the BB aren't you actually letting him/her know our hand?

Now the reason I purposed this line was to actually make the bb feel more comfortable on the turn (since we want to get the bb in+hoping the BTN chooses to spazz out with like KQ/QJ/98)...If that were to happen and assuming the BTN does spazz out then BB could do 1 of 2 things..Either flat call/RR...If not then on turn we donk out H.P on the 1/2-2/3rds on the turn

IMO nothing hes raising like that on the flop is folding, unless hes a tard doing it with a bare K high OESD or OESD + midpair type hand. honestly you should just be looking to ship flop bc theres like no hand here he can raise then fold, youre gunna cooler a huuuuge % of his range- sets, 2ps, combo draws, etc etc.

#9

14th October 2012, 3:45 AM

naruto_miu [9,852]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: omaha

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCgrind

IMO nothing hes raising like that on the flop is folding, unless hes a tard doing it with a bare K high OESD or OESD + midpair type hand. honestly you should just be looking to ship flop bc theres like no hand here he can raise then fold, youre gunna cooler a huuuuge % of his range- sets, 2ps, combo draws, etc etc.

BB 52/29 AfQ 78%, do these stats not imply BB is a huge aggressive tard? No matter how aggressive of a tard BB maybe (He'd have to be a maniac), to actually call a shove with a pure bluff attempt, so all your doing in the end would be letting him off easily no? If his stats were more down the lines of say a 20/q7 or 24/19 then I'd understand your reasoning for it but against this player (You really think they have a set? Maybe 2 pair at best but I'd still think a combo draw is in there, and they might call it off vs a shove but (they'd have to be really retarded to call it on a draw to the nuts hoping to hit only an ace), but then again I'm not that good at cash just putting my thoughts on it is all..

I personally would like to know what OP did to see what happened in the hand next...Also not for the results just so you all know just to know what BB ended up doing in the hand afterwards is all

#10

14th October 2012, 4:45 AM

JCgrind [2,490]

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Game: 6Max NLHE

re: Poker & $10 NLHE 6-max: Flopped a monster vs fish: raise or call?

Quote:

Originally Posted by naruto_miu

BB 52/29 AfQ 78%, do these stats not imply BB is a huge aggressive tard? No matter how aggressive of a tard BB maybe (He'd have to be a maniac), to actually call a shove with a pure bluff attempt, so all your doing in the end would be letting him off easily no? If his stats were more down the lines of say a 20/q7 or 24/19 then I'd understand your reasoning for it but against this player (You really think they have a set? Maybe 2 pair at best but I'd still think a combo draw is in there, and they might call it off vs a shove but (they'd have to be really retarded to call it on a draw to the nuts hoping to hit only an ace), but then again I'm not that good at cash just putting my thoughts on it is all..

I personally would like to know what OP did to see what happened in the hand next...Also not for the results just so you all know just to know what BB ended up doing in the hand afterwards is all

tbh i think this just increases his calling range further. since hes so bad i expect bare TP hands to call AI. ......lol. too many shit turn cards to not try GII OTF i think

#11

14th October 2012, 9:51 AM

OMGITSOVER9K [2,971]

Online Poker at: Stars

Game: Holdem

jc no point sizing your bets as you would to a reg, might as well make it 6-8 and snap off the shove imo.

fish isn't gonna know the diff and plus, in his eyes you probably dont even have cards.

and narutomui, people at micros rarely bluff broadway boards since it hits peoples ranges so often.

even if he is a a retard, we get more value from stacking his value hands and making his bluffs fold.. this is assuming he barrels off his 200bb stack as a bluff every time too.

#12

14th October 2012, 11:26 AM

JCgrind [2,490]

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Game: 6Max NLHE

Do you think? IMO he jams more over the smaller bet/ calls thinking he's slow playing. 6-8 I swear gets flats then folds too much I think
Obvno evidence of this though as I can't see cards

#13

14th October 2012, 11:53 AM

OMGITSOVER9K [2,971]

Online Poker at: Stars

Game: Holdem

nah you're leveling too much imo, the sizing just lets him jam easier without it looking like a massive overbet

and if he flats flop he prob calls off on blank turns more with this sizing than trying to get it in on 3 streets

the fish doesn't know that smaller bets allow regs to bluff cheaper, so they also do this with their value range to balance.. he just knows that you raised him and he has TPTK/TP+StrDr/Sets (trips in fishspeak)

but I know you know all this anyway jc, its prob more for the lurkers and other readers tbh

#14

14th October 2012, 12:35 PM

micromachine [5,618]

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Game: Cash, MTTs

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCgrind

Also micro wtf is with your sizing on the flop? Half pot on that board?

I'm trying out 60% cbet size ATM, think I was burning money with 75%. Also vs fish a slightly smaller bet will seem weak and I caN get stuff like Q8 to stay in, I would have done 70% ott if I hadn't been reraised.

#15

14th October 2012, 12:37 PM

micromachine [5,618]

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Game: Cash, MTTs

re: Poker & $10 NLHE 6-max: Flopped a monster vs fish: raise or call?

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanquish

$8

Yep, made it $7.50

#16

14th October 2012, 3:24 PM

OMGITSOVER9K [2,971]

Poker at: Stars

Game: Holdem

micro, I read a book the other day which says you should be sizing your flop + turn bets according to your percieved range

so when you raise UTG and see a flop, you should be betting close to pot since your range should be strong, but in spots where your range includes a lot of air you should be betting smaller.. considered trying that instead? seems a solid way to go.

this is only vs regs though, imo vs fish we can be crazy unbalanced and get away with it.