My interpretation of all this is that we can (and should!) build
binaries as frequently as we like. We can (and should) have filenames,
version numbers, and descriptions accurately reflect the feature
completion/code stability of the binary. The only thing we need to
do differently from a full-fledged Apache project is add a token to the
filename (like Ted's suggested "incubated" token) and include a note
in the README.txt explaining that the project is still in the incubator
and what that means.
None of this should impact our ability to make binaries available,
whether the binaries include incremental changes (nightly builds)
or whether they represent major releases that are particularly stable.
We simply need to be clear that the code is not endorsed by the ASF.
Cliff
On Monday, September 22, 2003 12:20 PM, David Remy wrote:
> So XMLBeans must get out of incubation without a 'Release'? I
> thought a part of judging the community was whether XMLBeans was able
> to have a couple of releases, at least minor releases, to show that
> there was an active productive community. It seems like a difficult
> proposition for XMLBeans to create momentum if it is not towards a
> specific release(s). I mean what would the community be working
> towards? The way I have been thinking about incubation is to go
> forth and begin working like a full fledged Apache project and
> naturally XMLBeans would prove it could build a productive community
> (or not). I assume most active Apache projects are working regularly
> working towards a release (or perhaps even a version release).
>
> XMLBeans 1.0 is already a well tested codebase that is in user's hands
> right now. The code that is in CVS is even further bug fixed with
> many improvements and features, so it seems in everyone's best
> interest to make it available in a recognizable way. It seems that
> doing this the correct way would be a step in XMLBeans growing and
> establishing the Apache practices.
>
> That being said I started the discussion for tactical reasons so that
> we could make a distribution available somewhere. I certainly think
> in the short term we could do the naming thing. XMLBeans is just now
> working on getting the site into forrest. I was just looking for a
> place to link to so that users could get a distribution in addition
> to source. Doing nightly builds, much less release builds, haven't
> been worked out at all yet.
>
> Personally, it seems more logical to me that incubated projects should
> actually be required to have a release or two to prove that they have
> a productive community rather than the other way around. The fact
> that the project is incubation should give users the indication of
> the risk they are taking and protect the Apache brand.
>
> rem
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ted Leung [mailto:twleung@sauria.com]
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:44 AM
>> To: xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere
>> ...
>>
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> The majority opinion on general@incubator is that XMLBeans cannot
>> make an "official" release until it exits incubation. So we need to
>> come up with a creative release name that indicates the stability of
>> XMLBeans without claim to be a full ASF project/release. At the
>> moment I can't think of anything less ugly than
>>
>> incubated-xmlbeans-1.0.0.zip
>>
>> unless you guys want to label it something creative like 1.0.1beta
>> something and leave the 1.0 release @ BEA.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> On 9/18/2003 1:59 PM, David Remy wrote:
>>
>>> cool, thanks Ted. the first document here mentions using ssh to
>>> minotaur to set up the directories. what password should I use for
>>> this? (I tried my committer password ...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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