Evolution vs. creationism

Interesting how Walter Smetana talks about “imaginary” and “mythological” in the context of evolution when creationism, a.k.a. religion, is the very definition of imaginary and mythological. The article “Evolution Revolution” clearly shows the evolution theory is one step closer to being proven. The same cannot be said for the creationism theory.

Listen, I could care less if people want to learn about creationism in schools. Just don’t try telling me that it should be taught in a science class…because it’s not science. If a school has a religious studies class, than it should be taught there.

Listen, I could care less if people want to learn about creationism in schools. Just don’t try telling me that it should be taught in a science class…because it’s not science. If a school has a religious studies class, than it should be taught there.

Physicists have been searching for the Grand Unifying Theory that can explain everything.
Creationists have already found a Grand Unifying Fantasy to explain everything. Evolution theory has holes and therefore God made the earth in seven days. That leap in logic doesn’t seem to bother them.

Physicists have been searching for the Grand Unifying Theory that can explain everything.
Creationists have already found a Grand Unifying Fantasy to explain everything. Evolution theory has holes and therefore God made the earth in seven days. That leap in logic doesn’t seem to bother them.

The theory of evolution actually is much larger and expansive than Darwin’s little part in the whole…but it seems to be the only think these people focus on. Like you said, evolution dose not disprove the existence of god in the universe, nor is it trying to.

But the fact of the matter is, it’s just a theory. Are there “holes” in the theory? Yes. But those “holes” are being made or are getting filled in through scientific study and research. A theory is always expansive until it becomes fact, but for it to be a theory it needs to be based upon factual evidence…and to be able to be proven or disprove.

Creationism is not…nor will it be allowed to be.

Like I said, if you want to teach Kabala or Scienceology in schools, fine! Just don’t do it in a science class.

The theory of evolution actually is much larger and expansive than Darwin’s little part in the whole…but it seems to be the only think these people focus on. Like you said, evolution dose not disprove the existence of god in the universe, nor is it trying to.

But the fact of the matter is, it’s just a theory. Are there “holes” in the theory? Yes. But those “holes” are being made or are getting filled in through scientific study and research. A theory is always expansive until it becomes fact, but for it to be a theory it needs to be based upon factual evidence…and to be able to be proven or disprove.

Creationism is not…nor will it be allowed to be.

Like I said, if you want to teach Kabala or Scienceology in schools, fine! Just don’t do it in a science class.

Why does it always have to be black or white with you people. Creationism or Evolution. One or the other. It doesn’t have to be that way. Evolution solves many of our questions about where we came from and how we got here. But there are unanswered questions to which scinentist don’t know the answers. Shouldn’t at that point, faith come into play. I’m a believer that Both Evolution and Creationism can be intertwined and work in tandem not against each other.

Why does it always have to be black or white with you people. Creationism or Evolution. One or the other. It doesn’t have to be that way. Evolution solves many of our questions about where we came from and how we got here. But there are unanswered questions to which scinentist don’t know the answers. Shouldn’t at that point, faith come into play. I’m a believer that Both Evolution and Creationism can be intertwined and work in tandem not against each other.

Evolution IS a mythology but if evolutionists want to end the arguments all they have to do is, get their brilliant heads together and assemble a ‘simple’ living cell. This should be possible, since they certainly have a very great amount of knowledge about what is inside the ‘simple’ cell.

After all, shouldn’t all the combined Intelligence of all the worlds scientist be able the do what chance encounters with random chemicals, without a set of instructions, accomplished about 4 billion years ago,according to the evolutionists, having no intelligence at all available to help them along in their quest to become a living entity. Surely then the evolutionists scientists today should be able to make us a ‘simple’ cell.

If it weren’t so pitiful it would be humorous, that intelligent people have swallowed the evolution mythology.

Beyond doubt, the main reason people believe in evolution is that sources they admire, say it is so. It would pay for these people to do a thorough examination of all the evidence CONTRARY to evolution that is readily available: Try answersingenesis.org. The evolutionists should honestly examine the SUPPOSED evidence ‘FOR’ evolution for THEMSELVES.

Build us a cell, from scratch, with the required raw material, that is with NO cell material, just the ‘raw’ stuff, and the argument is over. But if the scientists are unsuccessful, perhaps they should try Mother Earth’s recipe, you know, the one they claim worked the first time about 4 billion years ago, so they say. All they need to do is to gather all the chemicals that we know are essential for life, pour them into a large clay pot and stir vigorously for a few billion years, and Walla, LIFE!

Oh, you don’t believe the ‘original’ Mother Earth recipe will work? You are NOT alone, Neither do I, and MILLIONS of others!

PS: Please don’t lie about the ‘first life’ problem, scientists are falling all over themselves to make a living cell. Many have admitted publicly that it is a monumental problem. And is many years away from happening, if ever. Logical people understand this problem and have rightly concluded that an Intelligent Designer was absolutely necessary.

Think of it this way, logically that is, if all the brilliant scientists on earth can’t do it how on earth can anyone believe that it happened by accident?????

Evolution IS a mythology but if evolutionists want to end the arguments all they have to do is, get their brilliant heads together and assemble a ‘simple’ living cell. This should be possible, since they certainly have a very great amount of knowledge about what is inside the ‘simple’ cell.

After all, shouldn’t all the combined Intelligence of all the worlds scientist be able the do what chance encounters with random chemicals, without a set of instructions, accomplished about 4 billion years ago,according to the evolutionists, having no intelligence at all available to help them along in their quest to become a living entity. Surely then the evolutionists scientists today should be able to make us a ‘simple’ cell.

If it weren’t so pitiful it would be humorous, that intelligent people have swallowed the evolution mythology.

Beyond doubt, the main reason people believe in evolution is that sources they admire, say it is so. It would pay for these people to do a thorough examination of all the evidence CONTRARY to evolution that is readily available: Try answersingenesis.org. The evolutionists should honestly examine the SUPPOSED evidence ‘FOR’ evolution for THEMSELVES.

Build us a cell, from scratch, with the required raw material, that is with NO cell material, just the ‘raw’ stuff, and the argument is over. But if the scientists are unsuccessful, perhaps they should try Mother Earth’s recipe, you know, the one they claim worked the first time about 4 billion years ago, so they say. All they need to do is to gather all the chemicals that we know are essential for life, pour them into a large clay pot and stir vigorously for a few billion years, and Walla, LIFE!

Oh, you don’t believe the ‘original’ Mother Earth recipe will work? You are NOT alone, Neither do I, and MILLIONS of others!

PS: Please don’t lie about the ‘first life’ problem, scientists are falling all over themselves to make a living cell. Many have admitted publicly that it is a monumental problem. And is many years away from happening, if ever. Logical people understand this problem and have rightly concluded that an Intelligent Designer was absolutely necessary.

Think of it this way, logically that is, if all the brilliant scientists on earth can’t do it how on earth can anyone believe that it happened by accident?????

Your right, it should not be black and white. Its science and religion. If you feel the need to believe and it gives you some comfort than I say do it. BUT do not try to teach your beliefs as a scientific study. Teach it in a mythology or religious studies class because that is where it belongs. I’m not saying that it’s better or worse…just not science.

James Collins,

Could you define a “Simple call”? Are you talking about creating life or are you talking about regenerating living tissue? We have created living tissue and you have herd about the cloned sheep that was created a little while back don’t you? I’m not sure what you are implying when you say “simple cell”?

The funny thing is, when you says that scientist have been “falling all over themselves to achieve this” to a point you are right. The scientific community has been trying to get stem cell research Ok’d for a while but it’s the religious community that is to terrified to allow it. So for the pest possibilities are pointing in that direction (stem cell research). I read your theory as to why we believe in evolution; now let me give you mine as to why you don’t want to understand. My theory as to why you are afraid of stem cell is not because we would make an army of clones, but rather it may dispel more people from believing in your religion. This is again wrong. You think that the more we are able to explain the world around us or the history of our species or even having the ability to manipulate the very cells within our bodies that it would somehow dispel your religion and “prove” it to be false. If anything it would reinforce a personal belief…maybe not the vengeful and hateful religion/god that you preach but religion and spirituality would be always around.

Oh, and by the way mythology is a set of stories, traditions, or beliefs associated with a particular group or the history of an event, arising naturally or deliberately fostered. That sounds a lot like Creationism to me. Evolution is a science. A science is a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. See evolution needs to follow a set of known laws and proven facts to make it’s theories. Creationism…well…doesn’t.

It’s not a form of science, so it shouldn’t be taught in a science class.

Your right, it should not be black and white. Its science and religion. If you feel the need to believe and it gives you some comfort than I say do it. BUT do not try to teach your beliefs as a scientific study. Teach it in a mythology or religious studies class because that is where it belongs. I’m not saying that it’s better or worse…just not science.

James Collins,

Could you define a “Simple call”? Are you talking about creating life or are you talking about regenerating living tissue? We have created living tissue and you have herd about the cloned sheep that was created a little while back don’t you? I’m not sure what you are implying when you say “simple cell”?

The funny thing is, when you says that scientist have been “falling all over themselves to achieve this” to a point you are right. The scientific community has been trying to get stem cell research Ok’d for a while but it’s the religious community that is to terrified to allow it. So for the pest possibilities are pointing in that direction (stem cell research). I read your theory as to why we believe in evolution; now let me give you mine as to why you don’t want to understand. My theory as to why you are afraid of stem cell is not because we would make an army of clones, but rather it may dispel more people from believing in your religion. This is again wrong. You think that the more we are able to explain the world around us or the history of our species or even having the ability to manipulate the very cells within our bodies that it would somehow dispel your religion and “prove” it to be false. If anything it would reinforce a personal belief…maybe not the vengeful and hateful religion/god that you preach but religion and spirituality would be always around.

Oh, and by the way mythology is a set of stories, traditions, or beliefs associated with a particular group or the history of an event, arising naturally or deliberately fostered. That sounds a lot like Creationism to me. Evolution is a science. A science is a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. See evolution needs to follow a set of known laws and proven facts to make it’s theories. Creationism…well…doesn’t.

It’s not a form of science, so it shouldn’t be taught in a science class.

As a current student of Biology, I think it’s necessary to present both evolution and creationism in school, and early in school for that matter. Kids should be given complete information about both sides so they themselves may have a stance and opinion that is justifiable. I hate debating people whe are clearly just regurgitating their parents’ opinions–and this seems to be the result of a lack of information presented early in school. I agree that creationism would be best presented in a “history” class rather than a “biology” class, seeing as how creationism, by definition, addresses a religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in their original form by a deity–a statement that belongs nowhere near a science class. My beliefs are apparent, but I definitely wasn’t able to construct my opinions based on the information presented to me in school–I wish I had been given access to the facts when I was much younger.

As a current student of Biology, I think it’s necessary to present both evolution and creationism in school, and early in school for that matter. Kids should be given complete information about both sides so they themselves may have a stance and opinion that is justifiable. I hate debating people whe are clearly just regurgitating their parents’ opinions–and this seems to be the result of a lack of information presented early in school. I agree that creationism would be best presented in a “history” class rather than a “biology” class, seeing as how creationism, by definition, addresses a religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in their original form by a deity–a statement that belongs nowhere near a science class. My beliefs are apparent, but I definitely wasn’t able to construct my opinions based on the information presented to me in school–I wish I had been given access to the facts when I was much younger.

The term “theory” in science is not a guess or speculation. It is a solid body of FACTS based on the observable laws of nature. Evolution is a fact, explained by a process called “natural selection.” Given enough time, changes occur in nature. They’re not accidents. Organisms mutate naturally. If these changes work out advantagiously, then evolution has occurred and something new has come into existence. That’s how it works. Nature selects. It is its own creator. Creationists, or anyone for that matter, can believe whatever they want. But it takes much more than a belief to make a fact. There is absolutely no evidence for creationism and not even a shred of evidence for a Creator.

The term “theory” in science is not a guess or speculation. It is a solid body of FACTS based on the observable laws of nature. Evolution is a fact, explained by a process called “natural selection.” Given enough time, changes occur in nature. They’re not accidents. Organisms mutate naturally. If these changes work out advantagiously, then evolution has occurred and something new has come into existence. That’s how it works. Nature selects. It is its own creator. Creationists, or anyone for that matter, can believe whatever they want. But it takes much more than a belief to make a fact. There is absolutely no evidence for creationism and not even a shred of evidence for a Creator.

I hate to break everyones heart but Religion and Evolution are both nothing but lies. God created Adam from the dust and then he put Adam to sleep and he created Eve from Adam’s rib. It wasn’t God who gave them the power to have sex and create. It was one of God’s angels who rose up in evil against God. His name was Lucifer. God drove him out of Heaven and Lucifer came down and put the evil in the tree. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree Lucifer gave them the power to create. God drove them from the Garden and condemed them. Then he turned Lucifer into a snake to eat the dust of the other animals. When Adam had sex with Eve he was having sex with his own flesh. That is worse than incest. Jesus came from Mary committing incest with a brother Roman soldier. When Jesus grew up he found out what the truth was from the Priests. He came out at 33 and found 12 single virgins like him and he tried to tell all the Christians, Jews and the Romans that in the eyes of God they were all brothers and sisters and that they were committing incest by getting married. They all got upset and angry and crucified him. Jesus went back to the dust like everyone before him and after him. Long before Jesus was born there were a few thousand slaves that ran off around the world and started their own countries. When these slaves left there was a large group of men who took off and ended up in Africa. Some of these men caught female Orangutans and sailed over to South America and had sex with them and created the American Indian. The other men who stayed in Africa caught female Gorillas and had sex with them and created the Black man. When scientists found the bones in Africa they thought we evolved from a female Chimpanzee. But it wasn’t a natural evolution it was a man made evolution. That’s where Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti, Orangutan man and the Skunk Ape comes from. They are half man and half Gorilla and half man and half Orangutan. So we are nothing but worse than incest and worse than beastiality. There is no Heaven or Hell for us. When you die you go to sleep and you will sleep for eternity. The world we live in will either be destroyed by nuclear war or over population. BS

I hate to break everyones heart but Religion and Evolution are both nothing but lies. God created Adam from the dust and then he put Adam to sleep and he created Eve from Adam’s rib. It wasn’t God who gave them the power to have sex and create. It was one of God’s angels who rose up in evil against God. His name was Lucifer. God drove him out of Heaven and Lucifer came down and put the evil in the tree. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree Lucifer gave them the power to create. God drove them from the Garden and condemed them. Then he turned Lucifer into a snake to eat the dust of the other animals. When Adam had sex with Eve he was having sex with his own flesh. That is worse than incest. Jesus came from Mary committing incest with a brother Roman soldier. When Jesus grew up he found out what the truth was from the Priests. He came out at 33 and found 12 single virgins like him and he tried to tell all the Christians, Jews and the Romans that in the eyes of God they were all brothers and sisters and that they were committing incest by getting married. They all got upset and angry and crucified him. Jesus went back to the dust like everyone before him and after him. Long before Jesus was born there were a few thousand slaves that ran off around the world and started their own countries. When these slaves left there was a large group of men who took off and ended up in Africa. Some of these men caught female Orangutans and sailed over to South America and had sex with them and created the American Indian. The other men who stayed in Africa caught female Gorillas and had sex with them and created the Black man. When scientists found the bones in Africa they thought we evolved from a female Chimpanzee. But it wasn’t a natural evolution it was a man made evolution. That’s where Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti, Orangutan man and the Skunk Ape comes from. They are half man and half Gorilla and half man and half Orangutan. So we are nothing but worse than incest and worse than beastiality. There is no Heaven or Hell for us. When you die you go to sleep and you will sleep for eternity. The world we live in will either be destroyed by nuclear war or over population. BS

It does not matter about Religion or Evolution. Here is what really matters.
The world’s population is now 6.8 Billion people. Experts predict by the year 2050 the world’s population will be 9.1 Billion people. That will be an increase of 2.3 Billion people in just 41 years. The United States had an increase of 11,000,000 people from 2003 to 2008. That means if 1,000,000 people committed suicide every year for the next 5 years the U.S. population would still increase by 6,000,000 people. If there is poverty, starvation, global warming and a hole in the ozone layer now, what do you think it will be like in 500 years? In 500 years the world’s population will be around 32,000,000,000 people. When that happens and the ozone layer is gone this earth will pile up with dead bodies. And those dead bodies will feed your future generations. There won’t be any thing else to eat. There are only two ways to stop this from happening. The first way is to stop creating and tell your children when they grow up not to create. If you have to, take them to a doctor and have something done to prevent them from reproducing. The second way is to get volunteers from around the world to commit suicide. Each Government can help their volunteers with assisted suicide. That way you can keep reproducing without over populating. If you or your future generations don’t do something to stop the over population problem then I’m afraid your future generations will simply breed themselves to death.
Spread this message to the entire world. Hillbillie Bill

It does not matter about Religion or Evolution. Here is what really matters.
The world’s population is now 6.8 Billion people. Experts predict by the year 2050 the world’s population will be 9.1 Billion people. That will be an increase of 2.3 Billion people in just 41 years. The United States had an increase of 11,000,000 people from 2003 to 2008. That means if 1,000,000 people committed suicide every year for the next 5 years the U.S. population would still increase by 6,000,000 people. If there is poverty, starvation, global warming and a hole in the ozone layer now, what do you think it will be like in 500 years? In 500 years the world’s population will be around 32,000,000,000 people. When that happens and the ozone layer is gone this earth will pile up with dead bodies. And those dead bodies will feed your future generations. There won’t be any thing else to eat. There are only two ways to stop this from happening. The first way is to stop creating and tell your children when they grow up not to create. If you have to, take them to a doctor and have something done to prevent them from reproducing. The second way is to get volunteers from around the world to commit suicide. Each Government can help their volunteers with assisted suicide. That way you can keep reproducing without over populating. If you or your future generations don’t do something to stop the over population problem then I’m afraid your future generations will simply breed themselves to death.
Spread this message to the entire world. Hillbillie Bill

Jeffrey Ryan claims it “clearly shows”….. but he doesn’t bother either being clear or showing anything in his comment. I laugh at this too: “evolution theory is one step closer to being proven.” So it’s not proven (contrary to what many unscientific, mindless Evolutionists claim), but it’s “closer” to proven. Thank Jeff for his honesty that it’s not near being proven. Only that it’s “one step closer”……lol. What a joke. Like all Evolutionist writing, Darwin, Gould, web, textbooks, sites, professors, clowns…their writing and research and pix are themselves the best statements against Evolution. Since it’s not proven Jeff………….how precisely do you know it’s “one step closer to proven”? I’ve heard this same silliness in other forms: “Evolution is virtually proven.” Meaning………it’s not fact, but it’s okay to pretend it’s fact. It’s not science in the way of fact, but because we believe or want to believe it, it’s close enough. Evolution is not even intelligent or intelligible theory. It contradicts the law (as observed and recorded) that species only reproduce their own kind. Not (eventually) other kinds that could not reproduce or be reproduced with their forebearers. Species, or kinds, in the sense of “Origin of Species,” lol, are defined by reproduction. Evolution theory contradicts the law and laws of reproduction.

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