(26 March 2015 - 06:01 AM)
I dont know about all that. As bad as we get over sports the Brits get far worse. You might suffer a huge beat down if you say the wrong thing there. Well maybe not being its televised to the U.S.. Security probably be pretty tight.

(26 March 2015 - 07:04 AM)
Ive seen a lot of videos. Most countries go psycho over their soccer teams. Ive seen some serious very bloody beat downs. Fans stabbing the players and refs,etc. And they say we are bad in the U.S. not even close to that.

(27 March 2015 - 02:37 AM)
London is 4 hours ahead of east coast U.S. Bellator prelims are 7pm Friday night U.S. East Coast time and the main card is 9pm So just add 4 hours to that if you can catch either. Im sure you can catch a stream or use a U.S. VPN if you dont have access to Spike.com. You guys might get Bellator on another channel their just like with the UFC.

(27 March 2015 - 02:47 AM)
Anyway only reason I mentioned it was because of your sense of humor. The last Bellator 134 was called the British Invasion. If you watch mma Might want to add this site to your favorites http://www.mmauk.net...y/bellatornews/

(27 March 2015 - 02:55 AM)
There was one of those hour long shows about the upcoming event featuring the fighters the prior week to Bellator 134 and all 4 of the Brits were cocky as hell. Yelling "The British are coming!!!!"

umm yea, u didnt mention him stuggling with knowing the offense....IT WAS ONLY MOST OF YR POST!!

I see you like to put words in peoples mouths. I said he may have struggled to learn the offense and you replied and i quote:

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If he didnt know the offense...

Nicely done.

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the point is u have no point, he didnt struglle and make abd throws cus he didnt have as good of grasp of the offense thats just his inability to throw and not throw in his comfort zone with 3 defenders on a guy cus he cant make any other throw.

Or it was a combination of the two. His arm should get stronger a year removed from rehabbing. He will get a chance to rest it, then he can condition it. Likewise, he should also have a better grasp of the offense in his second year. Would you not agree with that?

What you fail to realize it's the Jets are not that great of a team. They were less talented than every team in the playoffs. It's not like Chad is surrounded by great players. If that were the case and he was holding them back, I might agree with you. But the fact is they were 10-6 and Pennington was a big part of that. Their only pro bowler was Justin Miller.

No one is saying Chad is a long term solution. 1, maybe 2 more years if he can stay healthy. If Clemens comes in, it's gonna be because Chad gets injured or because Mangini thinks he's ready. Until one of those things happens, Chad will be the QB.

Yes leaders win games and ill be the first guy to attest to that and I completely believe in having character guys over skill guys with problems. BUT u need to not only have character and leadership but be able to do the best at your job for the team and Chad cant provide that. Also Chad isnt our best chance to win a SB now cus he cant even get that far. But u wanna see the caliber guys that do that not only have leadership and character but worked for or were blessed with talent youll know why Pennington isnt even in their class:

Tom BradyJohn Elway Brett FarveTroy Aikman and i dont wanna go too far back so im just gunna point one other thing out.What do you know as a key stat for all these guys??? Answer game winning drives. These guys could lead their team to victory when it matters most. Still believe in penningto? go check out his # of game wiinning drives and see how it stackes up to half the number of times any of those qbs did it and you'll see why.yes, yr right, people who cry that penningtons gone cus they are still blind and can not see.Unless your the Jets and have amazing skill players

Who's to say Clemens is in their class though. For all we know he may just be an average starter in the future and there must be a reason why Mangini made Chad starter for last season and didn't give Clemens much playing time even when Chad was struggling.

Throwing in Clemens next season would be a bad decision IMO the way Chad played last year, unless he is far better than Chad in Training Camp and preseason. Chad is only a stop gap though but to give the team the best chance of winning, right now he is the QB who will do that.

To be honest Chad did a great job with a lack of a running game and some of those INTs came because the ground game was stuttering meaning we had to throw the ball and when you throw the ball a lot, you throw more INTs. 16 INTs from 485 attempts - one every 30 pass attempts isn't great but also isn't bad. It's a better average than Eli Manning, Roethlisberger, Grossman and Hasselbeck and all those QBs had a better running game than the Jets did.

Who's to say Clemens is in their class though. For all we know he may just be an average starter in the future and there must be a reason why Mangini made Chad starter for last season and didn't give Clemens much playing time even when Chad was struggling.

Throwing in Clemens next season would be a bad decision IMO the way Chad played last year, unless he is far better than Chad in Training Camp and preseason. Chad is only a stop gap though but to give the team the best chance of winning, right now he is the QB who will do that.

To be honest Chad did a great job with a lack of a running game and some of those INTs came because the ground game was stuttering meaning we had to throw the ball and when you throw the ball a lot, you throw more INTs. 16 INTs from 485 attempts - one every 30 pass attempts isn't great but also isn't bad. It's a better average than Eli Manning, Roethlisberger, Grossman and Hasselbeck and all those QBs had a better running game than the Jets did.

wow? I NEVER said Clemens was in their class, that would be an idiotic statement, guy hasnt even started a game yet. I was saying that Pennignton wasnt since someone was mentioning Chad compared to other qb's ints anfd that and i was showing why that doesnt hold water.

And this whole thing was comparing to chad not Clemens. Clemens could possibly one day be really good but id be a moron to say hes anywhere close to any of those guys right now.

And the way Chad played last year is ALL the more reaosn to put Clemens in next year. People think cus we won he did good when the fact is he was decent at throwing 6 yard routes and his receivers destroyed dbacks with there playmaking ability. Chad hindered the offense like he has his entire career. There is NO point in waiting another year because Chad can't take us to the promised land and just getting us to the playoffs to lose in the 1st or 2nd round again isnt worth putting off Clemens another season. The best thing to do would be put Clemens in and let him give it a shot and see where he can take us instead of wasting another season on a "good record"

Who's to say Clemens is in their class though. For all we know he may just be an average starter in the future and there must be a reason why Mangini made Chad starter for last season and didn't give Clemens much playing time even when Chad was struggling.

Throwing in Clemens next season would be a bad decision IMO the way Chad played last year, unless he is far better than Chad in Training Camp and preseason. Chad is only a stop gap though but to give the team the best chance of winning, right now he is the QB who will do that.

To be honest Chad did a great job with a lack of a running game and some of those INTs came because the ground game was stuttering meaning we had to throw the ball and when you throw the ball a lot, you throw more INTs. 16 INTs from 485 attempts - one every 30 pass attempts isn't great but also isn't bad. It's a better average than Eli Manning, Roethlisberger, Grossman and Hasselbeck and all those QBs had a better running game than the Jets did.

Good post here Smeds.But BestHands, why is it you look at his TDs, and say "well the recievers did a majority of the work on some of the," which is true, then look at his INT numbers and say "well, if you take away those TDs with his recievers doing a majority of the work, he threw more INTs than TDs," without actually looking at his INTs??? Sorry for the long run on, but I'm saying that some of his INTs are rather misleading, which no one has taken into effect.

Week 2 vs. the Pats- A hail mary pass from 60 yards from the end zone, an absolute desperation move on our part.Week 4 vs. the Colts- 4th and goal from the 3. Pennington rolls out to buy some time and is being pressured from his left, going right. There's a blanket around everybody, his only options are take a sack, go out of bounds, or force it in to a reciever. Being 4th down, he does the latter, and it's picked off as he throws on the run. No way he could make a play.Week 13 vs. the Bills- On the last pick he threw, we were losing by 18, he was about to get hit and he just threw it up. Made no difference in the outcome.Week 14 vs. the Vikings- We're winning by 2 pocessions in the 4th, but with a crappy running game, we're forced to pass in garbage time. He's piced off on a tipped pass, not really his fault.That's 4 INTs that really weren't totally his fault, and he had 3 TDs he threw (all against the Pats) that really weren't totally from him.One last thing, we've had 3 chances for him to realistically lead us on a game winning drive, so I'm not including the Colts or Pats game.Week 1- Delivers a game winning TD to Chris Baker.Week 8- FU*CKING REFS!!!Week 16- Dumped off that screen to Washinton and he did the rest, so it's hard to say what would've happened. But, a win's a win.

And as Smeds said, Chad has had to go through the year with a so-so line and no running game, it was a rebuilding year. He can only get better as he can now work out 100% being healthy. Clemens is still really a rookie, we can't throw him into the fire just yet.

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There is NO point in waiting another year because Chad can't take us to the promised land and just getting us to the playoffs to lose in the 1st or 2nd round again isnt worth putting off Clemens another season.

Once again, you act like this is a team that deserves to go to the "promised land". It's not. Chad is not the one holding them back. The offensive line is. The defense is. That's why your whole argument has absolutely no merit.

Once again, you act like this is a team that deserves to go to the "promised land". It's not. Chad is not the one holding them back. The offensive line is. The defense is. That's why your whole argument has absolutely no merit.

and YOU are DEF the person to decide who's argument has merit.

Chad has blown every big game for years, which is fact so it hold merit, He cant make a comback to win a game:FACt, look it up since u dotn believe me, has merit.

U trying to debate my arguments(no merit, u havent argued agianst one real thing the whole time u just say some lil different thing, u havent proved me rong and u neva will in this subject cus everything i said mostly in my 1st post is all true.

Im not saying this team is destined for a sb right this very second but we havent and cant get thur with Chad, that is my point, so why wast anymore time with him? No logical reason to.

If your gunna say i have no merit actually prove something rong from what i said in the first place because my entire 1st post in the subject u have no answer for. You havent broughten anything to this discussion except saying im rong. so please, I know u obviously are too in love with Chad to admit anything so ill do u the favor and not make u just dont talk anymore unless you are actually gunna discuss something that has major relevance.

p.s. OF course i wanna go to the promised land, every player fan and coach wanna go to the super bowl, why u dont and wanna have a buncha 10 win seasons is beyond me.

Chad has blown every big game for years, which is fact so it hold merit, He cant make a comback to win a game:FACt, look it up since u dotn believe me, has merit.

U trying to debate my arguments(no merit, u havent argued agianst one real thing the whole time u just say some lil different thing, u havent proved me rong and u neva will in this subject cus everything i said mostly in my 1st post is all true.

Im not saying this team is destined for a sb right this very second but we havent and cant get thur with Chad, that is my point, so why wast anymore time with him? No logical reason to.

If your gunna say i have no merit actually prove something rong from what i said in the first place because my entire 1st post in the subject u have no answer for. You havent broughten anything to this discussion except saying im rong. so please, I know u obviously are too in love with Chad to admit anything so ill do u the favor and not make u just dont talk anymore unless you are actually gunna discuss something that has major relevance.

p.s. OF course i wanna go to the promised land, every player fan and coach wanna go to the super bowl, why u dont and wanna have a buncha 10 win seasons is beyond me.

U settle for less i guess sorry im normal and want more in life.

the bottom line is that you're micro analyzing Chad , and your micro analyzing every play . you can't do that . every mistake by everyone on the field ultimately has an effect on the game not just Chad Pennington's . it's rediculous to think he has to be perfect in your eyes .

the JETS lost on the road like most teams do because as a team they were not good enough to secure home field .

Chad actually outplayed Roethlisberger in that game (it was '04 btw ) but the steelers out rushed the Jets 193-110 and had the ball for almost 40 minutes .

the Jets lost in Oakland in '02 and in Pittsburgh in '04 because they were not good enough and they were on the road .

the bottom line is that you're micro analyzing Chad , and your micro analyzing every play . you can't do that . every mistake by everyone on the field ultimately has an effect on the game not just Chad Pennington's . it's rediculous to think he has to be perfect in your eyes .the JETS lost on the road like most teams do because as a team they were not good enough to secure home field .

Chad actually outplayed Roethlisberger in that game (it was '04 btw ) but the steelers out rushed the Jets 193-110 and had the ball for almost 40 minutes .

the Jets lost in Oakland in '02 and in Pittsburgh in '04 because they were not good enough and they were on the road .

in recent history they won when they were home in the playoffs .

i guess DREW BREES is a loser now too .

GREAT POST! Besthands you only mention the one thing that is wrong with Chad, and in your other thread about Vince Young you talk about how Vince Young deserved the ROY because of his leadership and he motivated his whole team. I think Chad is one of the best motivators and leaders in the game. And you act like the Jets have so many play makers on their team, and that is why the Jets did good this year, but have you realized that everytime Chad is hurt the Jets play horrible, but when he is playing they are a playoff team, so if all the PLAYMAKERS are doing all the work then why can't they do it when Chad isn't in? And you talk about Chad getting his WRs killed, in almost every game I have seen in this playoffs I have seen tons of WRs nailedd, so its not just Chad, it is part of the game, sometimes WRs have to make tough catches.

the bottom line is that you're micro analyzing Chad , and your micro analyzing every play . you can't do that . every mistake by everyone on the field ultimately has an effect on the game not just Chad Pennington's . it's rediculous to think he has to be perfect in your eyes .the JETS lost on the road like most teams do because as a team they were not good enough to secure home field .

Chad actually outplayed Roethlisberger in that game (it was '04 btw ) but the steelers out rushed the Jets 193-110 and had the ball for almost 40 minutes .

the Jets lost in Oakland in '02 and in Pittsburgh in '04 because they were not good enough and they were on the road .

in recent history they won when they were home in the playoffs .

i guess DREW BREES is a loser now too .

Yes everyone makes mistakes people are human. But cant have a qb make as many mistakes as Pennington and get away with it and it shows cus the Jets lose.

And why are u bringing up Drew Brees??? Drew Brees hasnt choked like Pennington and as many times. Id take Drew Brees over Pennington anyday.

The only reason i have done so many deltailed accounts of Pennington becuase hes screwed up big some many times, and just saying the general facts around here doesnt sit well with Chad supporters so i actually go into detail about it and people like VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs have nuthing intelligent or relevant to say. they cant defend whats true so thats why i went into detail bout everything he did. It wasnt just that game EVERY game thats on the line Pennington cant come abck cus he does the same thing, dump it off on 3rd and long and Pray to God someone makes a play, THAT ISNT LEADERSHIP!

I hear all this leadership stuff about Pennington and yea he might be a good vocal leader but when it comes to leading by example he sux. So he should do what good vocal leaders, who cant act, do.... GO BE A CHEERLEADER AND GET THE HECK OFF THE FIELD!!

In quick summary of everything that is(or more likely isnt) about chad is this- Cant throw past 10 yards-cant throw sideline passes-cant win big games-if hes off we be screwed where as other qb's can comeback from mistakes or their teamates can survive(unfortunatly he uses his teamtes to surviv on eveyr play so they run outt gas).- cant get us anywhere in the playoffs worth goin to.-makes bad descisions(but its ok guys hes book smart ).-lays out his receivers AND MORE

unfortunately i have no time for stupidity such as the contents of yr post(although u may be highly intelectual yr argument was weak and brought in things of no relevance).

But as for me i have to go work out so have fun with chad.

QUOTE (VaNDelaYInDusTrIEs @ Jan 21 2007, 07:52 PM)

Owned

Yes u r owned, its ok. But 1 question.... Do u whipe chad's arse for him too?? Or do u jsut do everything else and drool all over him??

Ah yes, the old "anyone who sticks up for a guy must want his balls" insult. I'm not gonna argue with you. Why would I even want to waste my time arguing with someone who actually said his favorite part of the season was when Chad got injured and was writhing in pain during the Houston game? That's just a waste of my time. You did get owned, BTW.