Didn't it take the combined power of the titans to defeat an old god? If so, I could definitely see how a fully awaken/freed old god is most powerful. Of course, as far as we know, all the old gods are weakened and imprisoned so I can understand why Sargeras is currently regarded as number 1.

The imprisonment of the Old Gods weakens them, if they get loose then they go back to alpha level nuke form. They have in the past exerted power outside their imprisonment to stunning degrees. There are cracks in the cages that they can whisper out. I think the largest flexing of their power was during the Stormrage book where an old God nurished the nightmare lord into a Nordrassil sized tree that came within a hairs distance of destroying the emerald dream and the living thingd in the real world.

Another note I would make is that in war its the victors who get to write the history books, for all we know the Titans -were- usurpers and the Old Gods were not any different than any other pantheon (with various members being or representing "good" and "bad", usually more "good ones than bad") and that their death and imprisonment is what sent them insane in the first place. Its entirely possible that Elune herself represents a 'good' Old God. All of our historical lore tends to come directly from Titan based discoveries.

I dont understand how there's still a debate on whos more powerful - Titans or Old Gods and who came first.

Titans created Azeroth. Then, from the deep reaches of space, Old Gods came to corrupt their work and recnostruct it acc. their own vision. Seeing that, the titans returned and battled them, ultimately defeating them and imprisoning them in locking cells. The only reason there is to not ultimately desintegrate them is that their death would result in decay of the whole world. Instead, they left it as it was, maybe because they got bored of reconstructing worlds, maybe just to see what happens.

Whos stronger? Titans were back then, no doubt. Were the Old Gods more in number, or it was the other way around? You can only speculate here. Did C'thun defeated a Titan in one-to-one combat? Who really knows? Maybe a pack of Old Gods gang-banged him to bring him down.

Did Sargeras was even a part of all that? No one knows. Dont think of the Titans as a single unit. There may be many groups of Titans working in different sections of the universe, and Sargeras could just didn't even see a Old God in his entire life.

So whos stronger? I bet on Titan in one-to-one combat, out of pure sipathy.

You can kill old gods; the titans killed Y'shaarj (presumably their first kill) and found that he continued to taint the land with the Sha... It's assumed that that's the reason the Titans couldn't kill the other old gods without destroying, or at least, ruining, Azeroth, as they would produce a similar lingering force. I'm certain re-originating Azeroth would have gotten rid of the old gods lickety-split, but they didn't want to do that.

But the Burning Legion really doesn't give half a care if the planet is rendered uninhabitable, or if they have to utterly destroy it.

It's always been kind of vague, but I believe that the demons are just sort of... coalesced chaos energy that forms from the twisting nether. They're just a malefic oddity of the universe, like the old gods.

The Titans are for re-originating Azeroth if that's what it takes.

Re-originating is like hitting the reset button. All the Old Gods would die, as would anything they leave behind, as well as all life on Azeroth. The planet would literally start over a new.

The old gods are individually more powerful than the Titans in a 1v1 I believe, however that would be silly to 1v1 them hence why the Titans combined their forces to imprison them one by one across Azeroth. Theres a theory that theres a massive old god that spawned all these "lesser" gods like C'thun ect, and it basically makes up Azeroth.

Thats speculation based off some stories snippets / lovecraftian stuff.

Sargeras is really powerful, but I dont think hes as powerful as an old god that isnt chained up. Im 99% sure the old gods we fought were pathetic examples of their true power, just leaking out enough to manifest.

Problem with the old gods is that they kind of hold together Azeroth, if you destroyed them completely then we'd have no Azeroth, so instead we just subdue them.

The greater power than Sargeras could very well be the old gods "leader". That or some kind of demon fel god from that side of the nether.

IMO, Sargeras is the most powerful invidual being in physical sense in the great dark beyond but in the end we don't know how strong an old god is or the limit of Sargeras power. If people bother to read my post in previous page about Sargeras and Old gods which was pure fact base on official source then there won't be so much misinformation here.

IMO, Sargeras is the most powerful invidual being in physical sense in the great dark beyond but in the end we don't know how strong an old god is or the limit of Sargeras power. If people bother to read my post in previous page about Sargeras and Old gods which was pure fact base on official source then there won't be so much misinformation here.

Well in Lord of the Rings, Sauron is actually the right-hand man of an even more evil being known as Morgoth, so who knows? Maybe Sargeras is part of something greater...

I hear there being some quote in the Well of Eternity trilogy that if the Old Gods got released, even Sargeras would beg for mercy. So maybe not one Old God, but he wouldn't stand a chance against the lot of them.

concerning the earlier talk of old gods and the burning legion, is it me or is there a severe lack of interaction of plot crossroad crossing between the two in wow canon? atmost we have whispers, like xavious, or when Illidan was at the well of eternity casting a spell that was empowered by a "something" or how he managed to recruit the naga. The naga themselves are the biggest link in the old gods having a hand in legion affairs. as well as Deathwing himself at the time of his betrayal during the legion invasion.

i see no proof of "the legion looking down on the old gods". not even briefest glimse that would suggest such a notion.

concerning the earlier talk of old gods and the burning legion, is it me or is there a severe lack of interaction of plot crossroad crossing between the two in wow canon? atmost we have whispers, like xavious, or when Illidan was at the well of eternity casting a spell that was empowered by a "something" or how he managed to recruit the naga. The naga themselves are the biggest link in the old gods having a hand in legion affairs. as well as Deathwing himself at the time of his betrayal during the legion invasion.

i see no proof of "the legion looking down on the old gods". not even briefest glimse that would suggest such a notion.

The only real interaction has been the player, incognito and at the behest of the Twilight's Hammer (i.e Old gods,) rooting the demons (burning Legion) out of darkwhisper gorge.

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I'd back the Old Gods as being more powerful individually than any single Titan or Burning Legion member.

No lore, that I know of, ever concretely stated that the battles between the Titans vs old Gods were all 1v1, seems more likely the Titans grouped up and fought the Old Gods seperately. In Ulduar there's at least 1 Titan (Loken) tasked to look after Yogg, I'm not clear on what status the other bosses were in the instance though, and Yogg was basically dead and incarcerated. That many Titans + Algalon tasked with looking after a single Old God points to them being probably more powerful.

If the Old Gods weren't weakened or imprisoned and were allowed free reign across the universe as Sargeras has, Vegas money has it on them to destroy the Pantheon.

I'd back the Old Gods as being more powerful individually than any single Titan or Burning Legion member.

No lore, that I know of, ever concretely stated that the battles between the Titans vs old Gods were all 1v1, seems more likely the Titans grouped up and fought the Old Gods seperately. In Ulduar there's at least 1 Titan (Loken) tasked to look after Yogg, I'm not clear on what status the other bosses were in the instance though, and Yogg was basically dead and incarcerated. That many Titans + Algalon tasked with looking after a single Old God points to them being probably more powerful.

If the Old Gods weren't weakened or imprisoned and were allowed free reign across the universe as Sargeras has, Vegas money has it on them to destroy the Pantheon.

Loken wasn't a titan, he was simply a watcher.

Anyway, the Old Gods were putzing around Azeroth for quite a long time before the Titans came and beat them down. They didn't seem to endeavor for much more than warring against one another on Azeroth before that.

“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow

I'd back the Old Gods as being more powerful individually than any single Titan or Burning Legion member.

No lore, that I know of, ever concretely stated that the battles between the Titans vs old Gods were all 1v1, seems more likely the Titans grouped up and fought the Old Gods seperately. In Ulduar there's at least 1 Titan (Loken) tasked to look after Yogg, I'm not clear on what status the other bosses were in the instance though, and Yogg was basically dead and incarcerated. That many Titans + Algalon tasked with looking after a single Old God points to them being probably more powerful.

If the Old Gods weren't weakened or imprisoned and were allowed free reign across the universe as Sargeras has, Vegas money has it on them to destroy the Pantheon.

1. We haven't seen any titan. Those are watcher.

2. There's no information at all about how the battle went between the pantheon and old gods so it doesn't seem likely that Old gods were outnumbered. There's in game book called "The Old Gods and the ordering of Azeroth" which ironically stated that the titan seemed to be outnumbered but they defeated Old Gods and Elemental Lords's combined forces anyway.

3. Old Gods weren't weakened when they fought the Pantheon for the first time and they lost. The Pantheon didn't even have Sargeras who was their greatest champion with them. This means that the Old Gods didn't even face the full might of the titans.