a-bull wrote:Again, I was suggesting a sit because one of the posters asked about using a lure to get the dog out, without a command. Not a good idea to lure the dog out with a treat, say nothing, then give it a treat---assuming the dog does not have a rock solid "come."

The best choice is to give the dog the command "come" and when he does, give the treat. If you can't get your dog out from under a bed, and it's important to you, my really basic advice would be to re-train the "come" command 'til it's foolproof. . . but I was trying to just address one particular posters question about a lure without a command without getting into my philosophy on life.

I guess you're missing my point. I'm right and you're wrong.

Michelle

Inside me is a thin woman trying to get out. I usually shut the bitch up with a martini.

a-bull wrote:Again, I was suggesting a sit because one of the posters asked about using a lure to get the dog out, without a command. Not a good idea to lure the dog out with a treat, say nothing, then give it a treat---assuming the dog does not have a rock solid "come."

The best choice is to give the dog the command "come" and when he does, give the treat. If you can't get your dog out from under a bed, and it's important to you, my really basic advice would be to re-train the "come" command 'til it's foolproof. . . but I was trying to just address one particular posters question about a lure without a command without getting into my philosophy on life.

I guess you're missing my point. I'm right and you're wrong.

I feel like Cartman here, goddammit! Answer me!

How about teaching the dog the "low crawl" to come out from under the bed? Keep the treat on the ground and just entice the dog directly from under the bed. Do you think that would work? The natural action for moving from under the bed would be a low crawl, so the reward could be given for both actions together.....

Never make someone a priority in your life when that someone treats you like an option.

a-bull wrote:Again, I was suggesting a sit because one of the posters asked about using a lure to get the dog out, without a command. Not a good idea to lure the dog out with a treat, say nothing, then give it a treat---assuming the dog does not have a rock solid "come."

The best choice is to give the dog the command "come" and when he does, give the treat. If you can't get your dog out from under a bed, and it's important to you, my really basic advice would be to re-train the "come" command 'til it's foolproof. . . but I was trying to just address one particular posters question about a lure without a command without getting into my philosophy on life.

I guess you're missing my point. I'm right and you're wrong.

Oh, oh, I get it now! Why the hell didn't I catch that looong ago, given that that's your usual theme with me, .

(I do not always phrase stuff clearly, I do know that. Also, like I said, I tend to just offer suggestions to a direct question---I don't tend to back track. Ya know what I mean? Ahhh nevermind. Forums pi$$ me off, ).

mnp13 wrote:Actually, I did get your point, I was just giving you crap.

I don't really agree with it but that actually doesn't make it wrong

What did I just read???

Oh come on, don't go soft on me now!! I was just ready to say "uncle"---was going to give in and say bust out the hose and spray the bejesus out of the stubborn lil' bugga 'til he comes out--just be sure to use a command!

. . . and when your done . . . make him sit . . . . then throw cottonballs at him to make sure he's good 'n confused and knows what a twinkie he's been--but be sure to reinforce it with a treat.

Forums are ridiculous, . . .

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READ: This is not training advice! I am not a qualified trainer, I have never met Nandie, just saying what I would do if it was one of my boys.

Screw this namby-pamby lure them out shiznit. If Wally or Mike pulled this crap I would reach under the bed, grab them, and drag their sorry be-hinds out. If I say to come out, you come out. You don't come out, I will drag you out. You try to bite me you'd better believe I will bite back.

Do the lower dogs in the pack snap and/or growl at the alpha dog if he wants them to move? No way! They move their butts.

I'm Alpha Bitch. What I say goes.

And no, my dogs never hide under the bed, nor do they give me any flack when it comes to moving from where they are (Wally used to, but that was fixed PRETTY quickly once the handler error was realized).

Again, just what I would do, not suggesting you do that, I don't want to get anyone bit.

READ: This is not training advice! I am not a qualified trainer, I have never met Nandie, just saying what I would do if it was one of my boys.

Screw this namby-pamby lure them out shiznit. If Wally or Mike pulled this crap I would reach under the bed, grab them, and drag their sorry be-hinds out. If I say to come out, you come out. You don't come out, I will drag you out. You try to bite me you'd better believe I will bite back.

Do the lower dogs in the pack snap and/or growl at the alpha dog if he wants them to move? No way! They move their butts.

I'm Alpha Bitch. What I say goes.

And no, my dogs never hide under the bed, nor do they give me any flack when it comes to moving from where they are (Wally used to, but that was fixed PRETTY quickly once the handler error was realized).

Again, just what I would do, not suggesting you do that, I don't want to get anyone bit.

Me too and I have, but I have never had a dog that I thought might bite me, I have had some grumbling growls & some "make me" growls, which I promptly DID make them. Don't smurf with me four legger. I provide your meals and I pay the rent so I make the rules. When the four leggers can do that, they can make the rules. Mine don't hide under the bed but they do hang out there, I have no problem with it but when I want them out, they better get out or face my wrath. I have no problem with grabbing a collar or whatever is handy & dragging them out. Don't make momma angry, you won't like her when she's angry.

There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line.

READ: This is not training advice! I am not a qualified trainer, I have never met Nandie, just saying what I would do if it was one of my boys.

Screw this namby-pamby lure them out shiznit. If Wally or Mike pulled this crap I would reach under the bed, grab them, and drag their sorry be-hinds out. If I say to come out, you come out. You don't come out, I will drag you out. You try to bite me you'd better believe I will bite back.

Do the lower dogs in the pack snap and/or growl at the alpha dog if he wants them to move? No way! They move their butts.

I'm Alpha Bitch. What I say goes.

And no, my dogs never hide under the bed, nor do they give me any flack when it comes to moving from where they are (Wally used to, but that was fixed PRETTY quickly once the handler error was realized).

Again, just what I would do, not suggesting you do that, I don't want to get anyone bit.

same disclaimer as above

I'd do exactly the same thing.

If I was at all concerned about being bitten, I'd snap a leash on that sucker with a proper fit flat collar and next time the issue came up, I'd haul his ass out. There is no bargaining with me when I ask that something be done, especially if the protest involves aggressive (fear, dominance, whatever) tactics.

Ok maybe you are all right about the dont mess with me aproach. That is what I was originally doing. However Rocky being fairly new in our home out of a shelter, I was advised to stop grabing his collar and pulling him out from under bed or off couch or any situation that involved grabbing his collar untill he understood my hand was not going to hurt him. He was only 4 or 5 months at the time and I knew nothing about him. I did know that he wanted to keep certian spaces that he claimed as his safe spots and did not want to get off or out. As for the reason why I dont want my dog under the bed is he is on NILIF. However now that it is 8 months later and he is 13 months old now. If he got under the bed and I wanted him out I would not think twice about grabbing him and pulling him out if he did not come out when told.

rockermom wrote:Ok maybe you are all right about the dont mess with me aproach. That is what I was originally doing. However Rocky being fairly new in our home out of a shelter, I was advised to stop grabing his collar and pulling him out from under bed or off couch or any situation that involved grabbing his collar untill he understood my hand was not going to hurt him. He was only 4 or 5 months at the time and I knew nothing about him. I did know that he wanted to keep certian spaces that he claimed as his safe spots and did not want to get off or out. As for the reason why I dont want my dog under the bed is he is on NILIF. However now that it is 8 months later and he is 13 months old now. If he got under the bed and I wanted him out I would not think twice about grabbing him and pulling him out if he did not come out when told.

No, I think it's very smart advice not to have been grabbing his collar if he was reacting negatively to it.

Rescue dogs have a fair amount of "unkown," so it's always best to be cautious if you elicit a negative reaction, but the problem still needs to be solved.

Different approaches work on some dogs that don't work on others. In all seriousness, grabbing a snarly dog from under a bed, with your face right at eye level, could get you bit.

At the last training class I was at, the instructor taught us to teach the dogs that having their collars grabbed was a FABULOUS thing. We did this by slowly taking hold of their collars, saying "gotcha!" in a cheerful voice, and giving them a treat. Keep doing that over and over. As your dog gets accustomed to it, slowly start increasing the speed at which you grab his collar. Eventually you should be able to snatch it full-speed with the dog thinking it's the greatest thing ever 'cause they get a treat!

"Remember - every time your dog gets somewhere on a tight leash *a fairy dies and it's all your fault.* Think of the fairies." http://www.positivepetzine.com"