Two twins who downloaded a variety of shotacon materials have been jailed for possessing “virtual child pornography,” with the judge condemning them for “victimising” imaginary children.

The men, both 20 and residents of the Canadian province of Nova Scotia, were reported to police by a sister-in-law after she came accross “distressing” images on their computer.

Police searches soon found a substantial collection of shotacon material on their computers, saying 90% were “cartoon drawings called Japanese Anime.”

The pair, one of whom is said to be an active homosexual, were subsequently charged with possession of child pornography, both for the minority of real images and their manga collection, which under Canadian law is considered “virtual child pornography.”

The state prosecutor insists that victimising fictional children is a very serious offence:

“Every one of these images involves the victimization of children. The victimization wouldn’t happen in the first place if there weren’t people there to look at this material.”

The judge was equally scathing, saying the drawings “victimize” children:

“This is a crime that victimizes young people around the world. It creates a market which then re-victimizes the most vulnerable in society.

The images can only be regarded as disgusting and perverse.”

The judge handed down a three month prison sentence for each of the twins, ordering they be registered as sex offenders, provide DNA samples and refrain from contact with children, presumably including imaginary ones as well. A sex offenders’ treatment programme will attempt to cure them of their deviant lusts.

In a final twist to the case, the court accepted arguments that the pair, having been branded pederasts for the rest of their lives, would likely be in danger if housed amongst the general prison population. As a result they get to serve their sentence only on weekends, and in protective custody.

Although drawn imagery depicting underage sexual activity is constitutionally protected free speech in the USA, and has been upheld as such despite a variety of efforts to ban it, Canada possesses no such checks to the power of legislators, and consequently draconian laws against “virtual child pornography” are freely enforced.

Tbh, I think it was the last 10% that actually mattered. The prosecution is required by law to make a case, as in come up with every shit possible. And the fact they only received 3 month means that this is really a minor offense. They probably just pissed off the cops or judge somehow.

Oh my God, seriously? Tell me, just tell me, how am I victimizing a piece of artwork? “Oh God, the artwork, it’s feeling so bad because I’m fapping to it! HEY WAIT, I THINK SOMETHING MIGHT NOT BE RIGHT WITH THIS WHOLE CONCEPT.”

Just wanted to make a note that “virtual child pornography” is not entirely legal in the US. It is considered “obscenity” and is illegal to buy, sell, or disseminate it but is legal when kept inside one’s home.

In the animated cartoon of “Ikkyu-san” of Japan, such a gag is.
A nasty adult said, “It embarrassed because the tiger in the picture raged and root it out, please”.
The hero”The tiger is rooted out, and put it out from the picture, please. ”

First of all, please take out the character from two dimensions if you give human rights to the character of the game and the animated cartoon.
Capturing the character to which sex or it is raped that the police are these boys on that decides it beforehand.
It is appropriate that the image above captures this character due to the risque thing exhibition crime only because this character suddenly takes it off.

It is assumed that the woman began to take it off by the reality on the road, and for instance, all members who saw it do not become the rape criminals and it means the denial or neither refusal nor the pain though it is shouted at sex, “Ah.. Oh My God Noooo”.

Bet the government/soccer mom protestors, wouldn’t have any problems with us killing “virtual victims” if the virtual victims were homos. Remember kids, Jesus only hates two things. Violent video games, and sodomy.
lmao

Since Sankaku Complex obviously weren’t telling the truth, the resulting reactions from the international anime subcultural online community are irrational and therefore, truthful only to the entire online community themselves nonetheless.

It started with some false claims made by a blog article due to lack of online journalism ethics, which then triggered waves of dishonest, slanderous, almost borderline hateful reactions from an online community. Personally, I see them either as a bunch of immature and childish sore losers, or worst. For they could be fully matured by they meant what they said, and therefore they’re a bunch individuals with a personality trade called schizotypy. And they’re obviously not the creative type of schizoids.

wth, how dare someone hurt a imaginary kid,they should be ashamed…
“Every one of these images involves the victimization of children. The victimization wouldn’t happen in the first place if there weren’t people there to look at this material.”
this quote doesn’t make any sense, kids have been victimized long before shotacon and will continue to be even without it.

Keeping those two locked up for 3 months maybe $100 min a day each x 90 days or $18,000 USD whats that in loonies?
Since Canadian Jails are just like US jails cost should be the same.
Also assuming Canada has the same rules for hazard pay for prison guards as the US it is a hazardous job.
This stunt to placate dumb old Christian women cost the Canadian tax payer at least $28,000 USD.
That could have gotten several people a real doctor vs one of those candy stripers.
The prosecutor and the ass who made the original arrest should be jailed for misappropriations of tax dollars and wrongful arrest.

BTW people worried about safety this will make you less safe.
Often when someone is arrested for a victimless crime a real criminal often has to be released to make room for this person.
Prisons are not a magic bag of holding and Geneva conventions require no more then two per cell.

Really it is fantastically stupid to jail someone over this personally I don’t give a fuck what you fap to so long as you don’t go around raping real people.

If anything it’s pissing away tax dollars as said person is harmless but guess what moral fags it’s going to cost $31,000 USD a year to keep them locked in prison.
That 31K could send someone to college for a year yes surprisingly college is cheaper then jail.
The same amount of money could feed 10 poor people for a year, or buy 64 primary school kids new text books.

This also is enough to hire an extra cop or teacher for communities that are short.

But they’d rather piss money away on their crusade against anything they find immoral vs helping people in real life.

The article presented here is not quite the full story. In a more comprehensive version of this same story that I read on another Web site, one of the twins specifically admitted to being “attracted to 12 year old boys.” In this day and age, that in of itself is a concern.

Also, let’s not lose sight of the fact that, despite the emphasis on how much of the collection was anime/manga-based, there were still some live-action videos of sexual assaults on 12 (or younger!) year-old boys involved. You can say what you want about whether or not the manga/anime versions should be criminal, but the live-action stuff should NOT be tolerated. Farnkly, I think the twins got off easy.

One of the reasons I’m glad I live in Russia is because there’s no fucking bullshit laws like this. Well, there’s not much laws generally, lol, but duh. You can pirate any software you like, even right from the developers under your windows, you can download as much child porn as you want and you can even give a gay blowjob on the crowded street. No one cares really.

“I think the general idea is that if it gets spread, it will become (over time) generally accepted to look at real children that way.”

That makes sense. Just like watching war movies turns people into killers and watching movies about bank robberies turns people into thieves, seeing some cartoon porn could easily turn people into child rapists. I don’t know why some people can’t see the very clear relationship here. Censorship – making crime impossible since…?

lol qft. There was a news about a judge passing judgement on a internet case and he couldn’t grasp what the internet was!?!?! There was another in london passing judgement on a website case he didn’t know what a website was.

I’m actually the boyfriend of David, and I’d like to set some things straight here, okay?

David looked at shota at one point on Forosdz.com, merely because he came across it. (This case started before they separated the shota in to its own sub-forum.) He never downloaded it, nor the real kiddy porn. His twin admitted to everything being his.

David was questioned in the police station without a lawyer, after asking three times for one. He was denied each time, with legal aid saying “you won’t need one”, while it turned out that they just didn’t have one available, which is complete bullshit.

Then, both of them entered a guilty plea, which was suppose to get David a sentence of the 14 days. After court yesterday, he found out that they changed it to 90 days (or 60 with good behavior).

Is the Crown allowed to change it like that? His lawyer told him it would be 14 days if he pleaded guilty. If he pleaded innocent and got proven guilty, it would have been 90 days, he said.

After all that happened, what was the point of putting in the plea, instead of taking our chances?

On a final note, I’d like to remind you that you can not always believe everything you hear from the media.

There are people’s lives at stake. I live in the US, and I was banking on him sponsoring me to become a permanent resident. Now I will need to find a job offer, and even then, it’ll suck for us to find a place we can live.

If so, then that might be a reason as well for an appeal (next to the whole judge being prejudiced thing). He requested a barrister and was denied one, I do think that would be a violation of due process as well.

Keep in mind though that appealing such things tend to set bad blood, even if you are in the right.

I’m over 18 but have an almost completely flat chest…does that mean I can’t become a pr0n star because the mere image of my young looking body would victimise all the damn 14 year olds who have breasts bigger than mine?

“…cartoon drawings called Japanese Anime.”
Ah correction. That’s, I believe, what we call MANGA. Animu is ANIMATED drawings.

Also, I may not now the full circumstances, but some actual “real” shota material was found right? The way you’re wording it sounds like they were incarcerated just for simple possession of images of shota hentai.

…By the way, is there even anime centered around the shota hentai fetish?

send loli/shotacon to the email address of all politicians and pro-censorship folks. Use multiple email addresses. Attach as attachments in some, and hotlink in others. You’ll need to disguise the sender address, but I’m sure some of you know how (it’s fairly easy).

What will end up happening is that all politicians, etc. will have “virtual child pornography” in their email boxes. If they use any common email management program, like Outlook, the emails will often be downloaded automatically to their computers. And so, the virtual CP would be present in their email and on their PCs.

A further option is to print out and mail the virtual CP with a bunk return address; or maybe use a different politician’s address. Something like that. You could even include fake cover letters, like “As per your request, see the enclosed images. Have fun!” Something like that.

“People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it’s true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.”

Not surprising considering Canada has a history in cracking down on drawn salacious illustrations of minors. Then again the two were had actual ‘CP’ in their possession so they more than well deserved it. However, there have been past cases where individuals were jailed and/or fined for having only “imaginary children

You would be extremely lucky to get away with importing manga, doujinshi or art books from Japan. If any contains any type of drawing appealing to prurient interests, Canadian Customs considers it obscene and its seized as contraband.

A serial rapist and a serial rapist who happens to be a pedophile in my eyes are the same (The pedophile is less of a threat, since his target is easier). They’re both RAPISTS and killers.

That said though, a pedophile isn’t a serial rapist until he/she actually commits the crime. A pedophile is just a person who happens to be sexually attracted to kids. Are they irrational amoral monsters? Probably not. Their sexual preference is just that. A preference. No more. No less. It doesn’t detract from them as a human being. Compare it to homosexuality if you will. A homosexual isn’t any stupider amoral or senseless than your ordinary heterosexual.

That said preemptively accusing people of being potential offenders based on what they choose to fap to or do in their recreational time is retarded. Branding people as pedophiles because they are ‘POTENTIALLY’ a threat to kids is retarded. I mean, are they so inhuman that they don’t even have the right to hide their sexual orientation? If they don’t have the intent to hurt anyone, then I don’t see the problem. It might just be a phase. Who knows. All I know is that this pedophillia thing is overblown.

Just like if you see a cartoon that is violent, it will turn you into a slobbering, raping monster with tentacles and your soul be will sold to the demons. Seriously. Saw that cartoon once, so I know it MUST REALLY HAPPEN.

So.., does Canada also prosecute and punish those who slaughter virtual people in – gee, I dunno – HUNDREDS of video games?

If masturbating to drawn pictures of little boys makes them sex offenders, then I guess I should be held in prison for several consecutive life sentences based on all the shit I did in any one game alone.

The real pictures? Sure, they should be punished for that. I don’t argue with that judgment. However, to say fictional characters need to be given the same rights and protections as real people? That’s just fucking ridiculous and down-right moronic.

I surely hope you support the extermination of violence in fiction too. Or are you that blind to your own hypocrisy? Better start crusading against GTA, Manhunt, Saw, Antichrist and all other media filled with gory goodness!

So what’s your justification to banning it? There is a reason why media is only banned if it causes harm. If you can’t prove it or you’re going to just throw a strawman arguement, then shut up and stop the witch hunting to make yourself feel superior. You’d feel right at home in the middle ages wouldn’t you?

You have surrendered the argument to the pro-censorship crowd right there. Media NEVER causes harm, people do. Media doesn’t commit crimes or acts of violence, people do. Media isn’t responsible for people’s behavior, people themselves are.

There’s a big difference between “media causes harm” and “production of media causes harm”. For instance, lots of harm is done during a war, but watching war footage doesn’t do any harm. What I’m saying is that the pro-censorship people want to tell you that the media *itself* is damaging for people to see and that’s why it should be banned. Once you accept the false premise that simply *viewing* media can be harmful, then you’ve already ceded the argument to them. That’s my point.

As for what you said about “In the context of law ’cause harm’ in regards to media includes during the production or making” the judge in this case takes a very broad view of what it means to cause harm in the production of media. From the article:

“The images creates a market, whether anime or live images, and victimizes the people that are most vulnerable,” said Tax.”

According to the judge, simply creating such pictures “creates a market for them” and in so doing victimizes children. I have no idea how that’s supposed to work unless you’re going to assume that simply seeing the images turns people into child rapists. You basically have to assume that the media itself causes harm to be seen or viewed, which goes right back to my original point that media itself can never be damaging. The judge seems to be presuming that the media itself (not just its production) is damaging to those who see it and that this is why it should be banned. Once you accept the faulty premise that media is damaging, only then you can get nonsense like what the judge is saying.

“So what’s your justification to banning it? There is a reason why media is only banned if it causes harm.”

Accepting this premise is what allows the pro-censorship crowd to get off the ground in the first place. Some ideas *are* dangerous in principle and, if followed though on, will lead people to do dangerous things. Using the ’causes harm’ argument, you could then say that any expression of such ideas should be banned. It’s not hard to conjure up scenarios in which nearly any idea can be construed to be harmful in some way or another if acted on. Thus, once you’ve accepted this premise, nearly any idea is open to banishment. Real freedom of expression turns this notion of ‘harmful ideas’ on its head and says “Yes, ideas can inspire people to do dangerous things – and this is precisely why ideas must be protected.”

If you believe in freedom of expression then you won’t accept a correlation between the expression of a given idea with harmful activity as sufficient for banning expression of the idea. Instead, you’ll say that the responsibility for the harm lies with the person who committed the act, and not with the idea or its expression. This is because the *person* is responsible for their behavior – and not the idea. It is the *person* who must accept the responsibility and the punishment for what they have done. Ideas themselves can never be blamed for what people choose to do.

There are some, however, who would choose to blame ideas for people’s choices rather than hold people responsible for their own behavior. These people want to destroy and restrict ideas in the name of ‘protecting’ society. As has already been stated, ideas aren’t responsible for committing crimes. An idea can’t rape, murder, or steal – only a person can do this. In trying to attack ideas, the would-be censors forget this fact. In so doing, the efforts of the censors fail to combat the actual wrong doing that can only be committed by actual people, and instead simply try to make enemies out of words or even our minds. This doesn’t make us more safe, it simply makes us less free.

This is why freedom of expression needs to be protected – even (and especially) when the ideas being expressed seem dangerous – because attacking the expression of ideas cannot make us safer, it can only diminish our freedom.

That’s right! We need our government to put a stop to people who are displaying dangerous or antisocial tendencies as soon as they’re brought to light. Today these people are looking at naked cartoons, tomorrow they’re out raping children. The same thing goes for violent video games – they’re just murder simulators that train kids to kill. Violent and sexual movies and books are the same way – they just desensitize society to criminality and bad behavior. Also, there have to be restrictions on people promoting hateful or extreme political views as well. Such people only stir up hatred and cause violence. Don’t give me any nonsense about ‘freedom of expression’ to justify any of this. Freedom of expression my ass.

Freedom of expression has limits. You don’t have the freedom to turn yourself into a psychopath or to incite others to become such. For the good of public morals, society has an interest in censoring what sorts of things are allowed to be seen and said. Not all ideas are OK to express or to even think – and it’s up to government to determine which side of acceptability a given idea falls under. If your views or interests lay outside of what the government has deemed as acceptable, then what you need isn’t more ‘freedom of expression.’ Rather, what you need is time in a mental hospital or a prison until you get your mind right and can conform to what society expects of you. Civilized human beings don’t need the ‘freedom’ to deviate from good morals and public order in either thought or deed – only sociopaths want that.

Besides, did you honestly think that violent games and such are actually effective in “training” kids to kill or commit crimes? You think killing is something anyone can do? Bullshit. Just so you know, one reason why nobody wants to fight a war now, is ‘cos half the world’s army is impotent. No matter how well equipped, at least half of them would be puking by their 3rd kill.

Your point on antisocial… Well, who cares if someone doesn’t want to be part of the normal society? It doesn’t harm others.

If games are murder simulators, what about movies? Novels? All the various genres? Gore? Nudity? War? Crime? Sex? Aren’t these all “stimulating” people to strip others, fuck them, rip out their guts, and stuff them with a grenade before selling them as an art piece?

Somehow, I get the feeling that, you’re just another feminist pig from Equality Now aren’t you?

Yes, let’s protect two-dimensional young boys and girls. Let’s ignore the actual human-trafficking of women and children. In fact, screw real children. 2D ‘people’ should have more rights than real humans.

Though I don’t like loli/shota, this is pretty stupid. :/
Why a sentence at all if they’re only gonn’a have to serve weekends and for so little? Or register as sex offenders, since there’s no molestation or anything?
Silly Canadians.

>>The pair, one of whom is said to be an active homosexual, were subsequently charged with possession of child pornography, both for the minority of real images and their manga collection, which under Canadian law is considered “virtual child pornography.”

They ALSO had REAL kiddy porn. And they were reported ‘after their sister-in-law saw some “distressing” images of children “as young as two years of age”’.

In other news today, some fucking retard let his nosy bitch of a sister-in-law poke around their computer full of kiddy porn..

Rule No 1: Remain an Anon
lol but on the serious side how did these kids obtain these images, looks like they are not being supervised on what they are doing.

if we can get arrested for virtual images that are not real we all better wipe our drives now because those kids had images some one else could have much worse wounder what they will get for video image or no real characters?

Canada that would be the Royal Canadian Mounties and no they can’t swim to there nor would enjoy the heat.
Besides Canadians are psychrophiles or cryophiles like ice fairies,yuki-onna,penguins,polar bears and yeti they tend to avoid tropical climates like the Philippines.

They are fictional characters, “FICTIONAL CHARACTERS”. Is any of this getting through to them? What happened to helping real children? Or are they so removed from reality that they are seeing cartoon characters every time they see a kid?

90% of the prosecution’s evidence consisted of cartoons of very UNREAL kids. The other 10% were images of real boys, but we don’t know what those images showed – or even if they were illegal – since the article doesn’t distinguish between the 2D and 3D aspects of the case.

There’s little reason to distinguish them, they are charging him with a single count of possession, and in his position it’s impossible for him to refute that charge. No matter what % of it, the government can prove 100% that he was in possession, the fact that it some of it was anime never needed to be called into question or entirely relevant.

If you omitted the first line I would have taken you seriously. >_> Yes they did have real children on their computer,but most of what the prosecution used for their case was fictional characters(90% of the evidence was this). I would think very differently about the case if they didn’t base most of the case on fictional characters as evidence(hence my reaction).

And yes they do deserve punishment for having pictures of real children(should they be pornographic in nature) but that really is the only evidence that deserves attention in a case like this.

I’m fairly certain the current legislation is ripe for challenging, there isn’t any precedent in the case of virtual images. Everyone charged under the bill has simply pleaded guilty, there’s been no real test of the law. As long as these people have real images on their computer, its probably impossible for them to argue that real porn and virtual porn are different when they collect both. If they have real porn, they only lose out by trying to fight it because they’ll still be convicted under the law, there’s no benefit. Having real porn in this case also jeopardizes an appeal process cause it gives you a lot fewer arguments to use.

Hey, that’s my line, anon. But if there was REAL child porn on their computer, then yeah, they deserve to go to jail.

But on the other hand, the judge saying drawings of fictional characters victimizes children is as about retarded as PETA boycotting NBC saying that their logo victimizes peacocks. Then again, since nobody watches NBC anymore, the boycott would be pointless.

It also didn’t help us anime fans by generalizing anime as porn. Especially considering 99% of all anime characters are under 18, Canada might end up banning anime and manga altogether and people like Scott McNeil and Richard Ian Cox would be out of a job.

I find it highly interesting that not one single case (that I am currently aware of, correct me if I am wrong) has been brought to fruition, be it in the USA or Canada, prosecuting someone for possession of "virtual child pornography" in the form of manga or anime. Such cases invariably include real child pornography, which involves real children.

I find it highly interesting that not one single case (that I am currently aware of, correct me if I am wrong) has been brought to fruition, be it in the USA or Canada, prosecuting someone for possession of “virtual child pornography” in the form of manga or anime. Such cases invariably include real child pornography, which involves real children.

“I like how you left out the part where they had REAL kiddie porn, including videos of little boys under 12 years of age getting raped by grown men.”

No, that’s not what the article says. The article says this:

“The images included “videos depicting sexual assaults of barely pubescent boys, around 12 years old, some pictures and cartoon drawings,” Botterill said. Approximately 90 per cent of the images were of cartoon drawings called Japanese Anime, while the remainder were of actual children.”

The article doesn’t distinguish between what the real images showed and what the cartoon images showed. We know there were images showing real boys, but we don’t know what those images showed the boys doing – we don’t even know if those images were illegal in and of themselves. The article doesn’t distinguish between 2D and 3D in terms of what they depicted, so we have no way of knowing what showed what.

At one time, and artist in BC was tried for drawing images of nude children. He was let go though, on the grounds that banning artistic expression would be tantamount to enforcing thoughtcrime laws.

…but these days they’ve ignored legal precedent, and marched one step deeper into an Orwellian state – it’s not just illegal to commit crimes, it’s illegal to desire the wrong things.

It wasn’t that long ago they nailed a guy in the west too when he tried to order some hentai manga. However to this day, every case I’ve read about of a bust in Canada, they found real CP too, so the hentai charges are an added charge for a stiffer sentence. – STILL, that sets the precedent that it is illegal, and could be the sole cause of a conviction, and that is fucked up.

Ironically, if they’d framed it and put it in a gallery it’d still be just fine. The walls of a college or university even – though not without complaints. This has put the government in the position of arbitrarily judging which art has merit, which does not, and therefore, which forms of expression are illegal.

“The images included “videos depicting sexual assaults of barely pubescent boys, around 12 years old, some pictures and cartoon drawings,” Botterill said. Approximately 90 per cent of the images were of cartoon drawings called Japanese Anime, while the remainder were of actual children.”

There were images of real children. However, we don’t know exactly what the real images showed, since the article doesn’t distinguish between what was 2D and what was 3D. I wonder if the images of 3D boys were even illegal on their own, or if the prosecutors just threw that in there to make it seem like the twins were guilty of more than just looking at 2D pr0nz. Either way, they made it clear that the 2D stuff was highly illegal on its own. So, since the prosecution said that 90% of their evidence was 2D in nature, that’s enough for me to call this prosecution at least 90% bullshit.

Heh, good thing the shota/loli issue didn't reach the Hungarian media yet – oh, God pls do not let the Dark Side rule over my country!!
I don't get the world anymore – ppl who own VIRTUAL '( child )pornography' seem to get more negative attention than actual pedophiles and sex crime perpetrators…
Whenever news are updated about child molestation or abuse cases the media focuses on how much 'hentai' and shota/loli material did the criminals own – yet most ppl doesn't even know what pedophilia is?!
I'm not hoping for anything, it will become even worse with time…At least until they realize that banning such material increased crime rates…The desperate and kind of lost 2D lovers will kill themselves or go for the REAL thing…( I'm meaning the extreme cases, obsessive fans of rather non-mainstream ero, like guro or hardcore rape )
And one more thing – those guys earn it, since they are obviously interested in underaged children the 'wrong way'…However they are more guilty of stupidity…If you have such material and your PC/laptop/whatever is available for others as well – at least burn it to CD or somethin' ><'…!! LAME!!

Child pornography laws are ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support the sexualization of minors, but most countries go extremely overboard on the situation. At 16, I had naked pictures of a girl on my phone that she voluntarily sent me. If someone found out we had sex, would I get in trouble? No, we were both minors and “not old enough to have a choice in sex”. However, if they saw my phone I would have gotten in trouble for having “child pornography”. It’s ridiculous. So, I can do whatever I want, but just not take a photo of it?

The Vague Content & Context is 100% bullshit. They forcibly put guilt+intent+imaginary+non-real or doesn’t exist+I haven’t even commit any crime = base on their whim how they feel how much guilt you deserve.

I heard on the radio not long back that some UK councils were pushing to have access to peoples email, usage, and the likes. Their excuse for this was so they can track down pedos and the likes better. Can you imagine if they actually went through the peoples usage? One day you’d wake up to find alot less people on the streets as half the country has just been arrested 😀

Well they originally used the ‘terrorist’ excuse, but of course that was just a stepping stone for further invasion of privacy and to follow up with more paranoid BS. Thank god it got rejected for obvious reasons. Even ex-MI5 dudes have openly said that the way things are now are trampling on human rights. Just recently a guy got arrested and fined for having beast porn on his phone that he recieved during high school for a laugh, but completely forgot about it for a few years.

Take into account that UK has the Dangerous Pictures Act. Any image can be labeled offensive (thanks drama queen Liz Longhurst). Now if this recent legislation to ban drawings depicting minors gets through, I’d hate to see how many high schoolers will be arrested for sharing cartoon porn.

There is a speck of dust of hope. Anti-censorship groups have brought up the problems of libel (defamnation) laws. A.K.A. laws made on unjustified means, baseless accusations, exaggerations, slander and clearly without substantial evidence. There is now a possibility that they may be abolished. The government has always gagged (or tried to) the media and news reports that could harm their image or show the world of their facist laws. They never publically share information of legislating new laws, and it keeps the public hidden in the dark while criminalizing them at the same time. Another reason why there is little to no debate at all with the public and logic. It’s always been ‘The government and what the government says’. That’s a problem when you have no clear Freedom of Speech act. Witch Hunts for all?

Anyway; regarding this article. Are you kidding me?! Most of the crap spewed were merely opinions. Does anyone take Psychology seriously these days, it seems that some moralfags get into professions just to say ‘Hi, I’m a *insert academic profession* now. What I say must be true now yeah?’ Though agreed that if it was just 2D then whatever, however it seems they had some 3D. Still, the fact that they incessantly claim 2D as bad as 3D…Might aswell arrest households with toy knives and swords am I right?

Also forgot to mention it was their Sister-IN-Law who turned them in. Guess she found a way to get those 2 out of the house, since they were having sex with each other and had no interest in her. It was in the article.

I heard on the radio not long ago that some UK councils are pushing to have access to peoples email, usage and whatnot, their excuse for this was so they can track down pedophiles and the likes alot easier. Can you imagine if they went through your usage? One day you’d suddenly see alot less people on the street because half the the country has been arrested 😀

Fucking excuses. The law exists to protect people form violating the freedoms of other people. I find it laughable that something can be considered a crime, when nobody gets harmed in the process. Why the fuck do we need a law against something which has a no negative effect on society? They waste OUR money (well, Canadian citizens’s money) on bullshit self gratification campaigns against phantom crimes. There is nothing to be gained from jailing people for whatever disgusting fantasies they have, as long as they keep it to themselves. Or are we arresting people because they _may_ commit a crime now?

Not that these guys don’t deserve their sentences. I consider myself pretty liberal, but even I draw the line on CP.

“‘The images creates a market, whether anime or live images, and victimizes the people that are most vulnerable,’ said Tax”

Yeah, because people drawing cartoons turns other people into dangerous sex criminals. Also, for someone to look at these cartoons victimizes children. WTF? Anyone else see how that makes absolutely no sense? These people are nuts.

As an aside, the anti-porn movement has been saying the exact same sorts of things about ALL forms of porn for *years* now. Of course, their claims have been debunked time and again, but that doesn’t keep them from repeating them over and over. I wonder how long until the anti-porn people are able to push for broad bans on all kinds of porn in Canada, and not just bans on loli/shota. Glad I don’t live there.

“Further, psycho-somatic testing showed that when Corey was presented with visual stimuli, he indicated strong physiological preferences to pre-pubescent boys between the ages of 12 and 15 and had strong responses to sexual abuse of children as young as eight years old. Corey was placed at just below a moderate risk to re-offend.”

They did tests on this guy to see what he was attracted to. In Canada, simply having ‘inappropriate’ attractions is now the business of the court and is evidence against you in court proceedings. It’s not just a matter of what you’ve done – it’s also a matter of what you simply *think* about. Holy shit that’s Orwellian!

Damn, I gotta admit I am kind of surprised for this. Until now I thought Canada was superior to the US in terms of public education (K-12), and certain legal issues (Canada abolished the death penalty, yes?).

Again, the judges claim is absurd, baseless and plain stupid.
“Every one of these images involves the victimization of children. The victimization wouldn’t happen in the first place if there weren’t people there to look at this material.”

This doesn’t make the shotacon “material” illegal. Or we’d have to ban all types of murder, drug trafficking and all sorts of “material” involving crimes out there.

“This is a crime that victimizes young people around the world. It creates a market which then re-victimizes the most vulnerable in society.

The images can only be regarded as disgusting and perverse.”

About the first paragraph, if he’s talking only about shotacon images, there’s absolutely no proof of that.
In fact, most child abusers don’t even know about shotacon, and the fact is that people with deviant behavior CAN go after those images, and not otherwise.

It’s a lot like violent games. It’s NOT that violent games produces more violence, but it is POSSIBLE that some violent people COULD go after those games.

This doesn’t imply that every single FPS gamer is a potential assassin, or will eventually commit acts of violence.

About the last sentence, that’s just the judge’s personal opinnion, and shouldn’t count on a court of law. Fetishes are something very personal, and if we are to start using the judges personal opinnions to consider people guilty or not, then we might as well get the constitution and laws and flush them all down the toilet.

BUT, not uncommon here on Sankaku, there’s one bit of information that was left out. Part of the images that were taken from those twins were of REAL CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. And that alone justifies their jail time, period.

Also, most of the arguments presented by the judge, if he is in fact refering to real child pornography, they make absolute sense.

If you really want to blame Christofags, then point to the UK. You’d be surprised at how many countries have been ‘moralized’ because of the UK. Guess why there are/were so many countries that is/was homophobic and saw them criminals? Alot of witch hunts related events originated in the UK and spread via colonisations.

They will never do this, which is exactly why crazy bans and censorship laws exist in Canada in the first place. Rather than stand up for themselves and fix their own problems, it’s easier to just externalize blame for what’s wrong in their country and give in to being victims of their own government.

It never takes me long to up my porn folder. If I had 1TB worth of free space then it would be filled with porn rather quickly. Unfortunately I never have much free space and I’m always having to choose what to delete so that I can make room for more porn.

Sometimes I question the USA but damn at least they have something right, the americans understand freedom of speech and they respect their constitution and the ideals it was built upon and I respect them for that.

That they were charged for both and since in the law it states that if the images have artistic merit then they are allowed. Artistic merit means that if the viewer sees the images as artistic then they are artistic. That means that all of those drawings are legal since those guys probably saw them as artistic.

I am a Canadian citizen. My mother is a doctor, and thus has a small library of medical textbooks. Many of these books have illustrations, including drawings that show the progression of male and female genitals through puberty.

I wonder if that makes her a criminal according to our own laws? Maybe I should look up the criminal code and see.

That would make this ruling against the law and a reason to call for a mistrial. Saying something has artistic merit is in the eyes of the beholder which means to the defendant those pictures might be considered to have artistic merit. They would then have to do a retrial for the real child pornography.

PS. I’m not sure about Canadian law but I think in American law you can’t stand trial again for the same crime so if the conviction was both for the virtual and real child pornography they would be free. That may be just for an innocent decision though but I can’t remember now.

Also I keep my porn in my rule34 folder. Nobody in my home knows what it would mean in the small (very, very small) chance that anyone would be looking through my computer. I also keep eroge icons on my desktop without fear of anyone knowing what games they are.

I’ve only heard of one other similar case here in Canada, and as this person mentioned, it was only in the case where they possessed actual Child porn in the first place.
The charges for having the 2d stuff was added on as an afterthought.

I’m all for banning of actual child porn, but frankly it’s a bit ridiculous that fake children are protected as well under the same law. -However- Canadian law enforcement have no means to actively stop you from downloading the content in the first place, (The only stings have been in large cases where people were distributing actual cp.) and as in this case, it was only after someone else reported them.

We have by far the most free internet in the world (allthough we pay out the ass for it… but thats another story.) so you’re usually more than safe provided you’re not distributing it yourself (if its just 2d, I highly doubt you being suspect, at all.)

…You have that much real child porn?
Keep in mind, the twins were morons enough to have real childporn along with the shotacon drawings. I doubt they would have gotten a that severe sentence if they would have had 100% shotacon drawings (of the non-realistic art styles).

Seconding this, I (a Eurofag) visited Winnipeg twice a few years back, didn’t hear anyone say that. I suppose the stereotype might come from a specific part of some other province (making it pretty unreasonable to apply it to the whole of Canada).
Before I moved to a northern city in England I thought that the “, love.” they often use for cheesy English characters was purely fictional, as my only experience before then had been with southern English cities. But there there were a significan amount of people using it, even if not all… That was so weird, and kept hitting my Uncanny Valley.

Many modern countries have a problem with anything sexual. GTA San Andreas made it past the watchdogs as usual until some hackers exposed a low res sex scene. The same trends can be found in anti-prostitution laws, assaults on the porn industry, and in this case, virtual (not real) children.

These attitudes of “I don’t like it so I’ll ban it” are a result of big brother brainwashing. Depending on the situation, big brother could be a politician in suit, a parent or family member, or a Priest in a robe.(with a small boy likely under it)

It’ll be hard to take down laws like this until society changes dramatically. The only thing we can do now is stop more laws like these from being passed.

Can’t use assault rifles to hunt, actually… though an equivalent or better gun that’s not on the “restricted” list is just fine.
Hunt with an AR-15? Illegal.
Hunt with an AR-180B? Just fine, as long as you make sure the mag only holds 5 shots.
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You ignorant fuck. If you need to be treated in the US, you will be treated. It’s the law. Every person in the US, citizen, resident, tourist, or even illegal, can and does get medical care. The fight in the US is over tort reform and the government being allowed to pick who pays for the care of the sick and injured— everyone regardless of who can pay or planned for the possiblitity (the government plan), or just those who planned for it.

By law, all are treated in the US. But not all pay, as not all are able or willing (the law makes no distinction between the two). The government’s current plan is to make everyone who ever is treated be taxed at that time, and then pay a portion of that tax back to the care provider. It will also add a “health insurance tax” to EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT int the US. That money is publically stated to be going to health care, but it is actually just going into the general treasury fund, where it can be spent on more and larger pork barrel projects, as the AT USAGE TAX will primarily cover the cost of any health service used.

So its crazy taxation under the “illusion” of universal health care. Not one additional human being will be covered that wasn’t already covered, as all ALREADY can get treated in the US, but by presenting this illusion that some are not, and that only the government can fix it, the goverment gets to create a very large new tax revenue stream, and increse its own importance and size. Total win for the government over a citizenry that is still mostly independant of its government and prefers to remain that way.

So far no one in canada was arrested purely for 2D lolis but I fear the day it happens. If they had real CP they deserve to be butt fucked but virtual stuff is not real so why should the governement care.

If I’m here fapping to 2Dlolis I’m not out there molesting one(that’s only an exemple since I would never ever touch a real child). Canada is a good country except for our shitty government, it’s always the same shitheads that get elected over and over.

Technically the case can be declared as a mistrial already, since the judge is publicly vocal on his bias against the accuse. So there’s no actual fair trail in this situation, furthermore the lawyer for the defendants should have filed charges against the judge in this matter. Obviously they’re too stupid to actually notice this.

Umm.. You do realize even though the comment is made after the sentencing, it’s still considered a personal bias, regardless if it was made before or after. The judge chose to be vocal about his personal views, and it displays that he already had this personal belief most likely before the case even came into his court. Which means he won’t give a fair chance to any argument made by the defendants. So there’s no chance of a fair trial here. Study a bit more about law and you’ll understand how it works.

canada is full of homophobes and perfect little bubble people and annoying soccer moms from what this article tells me.
oh so if i own porn does that mean im cheating,or a kill a person in gta,fuck canada,and there shitty health care.

I’m not entirely sure there is no correlation between the pictures and NOT GOING OUT, though. Penalize the fiction and they’ll go for the real thing (fapping: 20 years; raping 3D: 20 years – the choice is yours).