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Re: Trading J.O.

With the recent news about JO getting a second opinion on his knee, it's likely he'll miss at least 8 games pushing him past Jamaal Tinsley in games missed over the last three seasons. Jermaine O'Neal is injury prone.

Consider the money, his involvement in the brawl, low shooting %, high turnovers, his leadership of a team that has fallen apart for three straight seasons and I'm not even sure what fair trade value is with him anymore. I know how we Pacer fans feel about him but an outsiders view is likely different.

Re: Trading J.O.

I agree with that. Since his arrival it's been a leadership by committee situation. First there was Reggie, Jalen, Al and Big Smooth, followed by Reggie, Ron, Al and JO followed by Reggie, JO, and Jackson followed by JO, Jack and Al to where we are now Tins and JO.

That's right Jamaal Tinsley and Jermaine O'Neal are the leaders of this team. Two guys who play about 65% of the time, I mean that literally not in the sense of effort but in actual games they play.

Re: Trading J.O.

So, would you trade for a young guard coupled with a bad contract vet? Something like Devin Harris & Dampier for JO? Or Hinrich & Wallace?

Or would you try to get a high-priced older guard like Bibby or Chauncey or Kidd?

Looking at the draft situation and how many PGs are on target to come out next year, I think IF you are trading JO you go for aging backcourt guy (PG or SG, ie Ray Allen) and a pick. If you must throw in Shawne to get that pick then maybe you do it if it's high enough (and the Pacers don't already have one).

From that you could get a PG/SG leader, get a young big this year, let ATL have the Pacers 11+ pick this season, and then next year you come back with the first round pick (now safe because you gave ATL your pick this year) and draft a PG, let that young player have a season or two behind that big money vet you brought on board.

You take a hit at PF, but it does force the team to work Ike as well as the high draft pick from this season.

This is a 2 year rebuild plan only though, no other reason to move JO. Doing that deal means instant struggle IMO.

Re: Trading J.O.

Should start by saying that whether JO feels inclined to be a part of this team or not is irrelevant. He signed a contract. He doesn't have to like it, but he plays here if we don't trade him.

This isn't an original idea, but if we decided to trade him, I would like to see him go to Chicago for something involving Hinrich, Nocioni and a pick. They have a need, and JO and Ben Wallace would be a formidable frontcourt.

Re: Trading J.O.

I doubt the Pacers would send a player like JO to a division rival. It's not unprecendented, but unlikely. JO and Wallace would be a formidable front court. We'd get to see that up close and personal 4 times a year as well.

Re: Trading J.O.

Got to believe if the Ps want to deal JO they will do their best to send him West. Seems like there have been a few PD members mention LA as a likely destination. If Lamar Odom is dangled as part of a trade I could see that point.

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Re: Trading J.O.

I doubt the Pacers would send a player like JO to a division rival. It's not unprecendented, but unlikely. JO and Wallace would be a formidable front court. We'd get to see that up close and personal 4 times a year as well.

On the flip side, JO and Wallace would be due $35.2 M next year alone.

We'd be getting our point guard of the future and a very good SF at reasonable cap numbers.

Re: Trading J.O.

I doubt the Pacers would send a player like JO to a division rival. It's not unprecendented, but unlikely. JO and Wallace would be a formidable front court. We'd get to see that up close and personal 4 times a year as well.

What's with not trading within the division? I've never understood that.

I mean, if it makes you better, then you're better than the team you sent your guy to.

It really makes little sense to me unless it has something to do with insider information and plays and such.

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Re: Trading J.O.

IDK if JO will or won't be a Pacer next year, but I think if we move him it will be only if he we have no other options to get better. Now that maybe the reality especially if we are unwilling to part with the young guys. If we could get Ray Allen + first round pick for JO I would do that. Then take a young PG who has shown some leadership ability. I know I am harping on Acie Law like its my job, but I was harping on Roy this time last year as well and he is the front runner for rookie of the year. Law is going to be a solid to very good PG in this league for 10 to 12 years and has already shown good leadership in college.

Re: Trading J.O.

IDK if JO will or won't be a Pacer next year, but I think if we move him it will be only if he we have no other options to get better. Now that maybe the reality especially if we are unwilling to part with the young guys. If we could get Ray Allen + first round pick for JO I would do that. Then take a young PG who has shown some leadership ability. I know I am harping on Acie Law like its my job, but I was harping on Roy this time last year as well and he is the front runner for rookie of the year. Law is going to be a solid to very good PG in this league for 10 to 12 years and has already shown good leadership in college.

I would do a Ray Allen + Ridnour ( or Watson ) for JONeal + Tinsley....it may not be the best starting PG out there....but despite both of their rather shaky defense, I would much rather have Ridnour then have Tinsley as our starting PG.