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Congrats Dave BTW on the good review in Downbeat Magazine on your latest album.

I actually had a similar thought as Doerschuk about the two directions in the album, with the originals on the one hand and the more cerebral covers on the other. I'm sure others are, like me, looking forward to seeing where your originals go in the next one.

(Also I was delighted that he singled out Times Square, which was an instant favorite of mine on this album.)

I just finished watching all 6 videos. I've never seen anything like it on Youtube. The whole package is just unbelievable. Especially pt 5 and 6 where you break it down for guys like me. 6 months to do this? Sign me up right now!

One thing you did not talk about is the relation between the 2 melodies. Should one attempt to create counter melodies and such?

Also, are the LH lines always to be played right on the beat, or can you play with that?

I really enjoyed hangin with you this weekend, that was quite the night with Keith, huh? Glad you were able to make it to the Apple..very good ?'s. The connection between the LH improvised bassline and the RH improvised line is, in my view, optional. We're trying, in basic terms, to improvise two separate lines at the same time over the same changes. If you want to try to connect them two lines somehow, that would be interesting, it would work and add a bit of a different dimension to the overall sound, but it's not necessary, and it would be even harder:)In terms of playing off the beat with with the bassline..you can do anything if it sounds good. Adding the swing 18th and trips as in section 6 (?) helps to break the constant 1/4 bassline feel. Boy, playing the bassline actually on the offbeats would be weird, see how it works..

Please enlighten me as to which wares are not to be advertised. 100% giving, not asking for anything.

Thanks for helping me

Dave Frank

OK. You're asking people to visit your website in the videos. As I said before, I could care less. You could advertise all you want for all I care but... that means it opens the door for others to do so as well - myself included.

I've got a ton of 'freebies' I could post here, but if I did, I'd most likely be 'reported' to the mods.

For example, suppose I started a thread that read: "New Age Piano Clinic with Edward Weiss now on YouTube." Don't think for a second that a thread like that wouldn't get flamed.

Put something useful for all to enjoy and all will enjoy it. You sang this song to me once before. It smells real bad.DF

Well Dave, it may smell bad to you, but them's the rules. Here's an idea. Why don't you actually participate more here and post a sig file like the rest of us. It would give you more 'cred' then simply popping in and posting your 'clinics.'

Hi Dave...Watched the 6 video's walking bassline class..Fantastic..thanks for the 110% input..looking forward to the Erroll Garner master class..I'm on the other side of the world and it didn't cost me a cent to attend your class...Some people must live miserable lives tell tailing..Dave, thank you for your generous contribution ..worth 100's of dollars to a student learning Jazz from a teacher...yet alone the time that would be required to attend lessons...Thanks again....Doug

Well Dave, it may smell bad to you, but them's the rules. Here's an idea. Why don't you actually participate more here and post a sig file like the rest of us. It would give you more 'cred' then simply popping in and posting your 'clinics.'

I'm looking forward to sharing with you some impressions of a night with Mr. Jarrett. Will do so tmrrww. Gotta love the internet. What we're doing here is off-the-charts high high human potential stuff:)

What better person to explain this kool complex technique than someone who has learnt directly from the magnificent Lennie Tristano, can sound like Dave McKenna, and who can explain jazz concepts so clearly ?

Thank you Dave for your continuing generosity. You don't know how many times I have referred back to your masterclasses on Charlie Parker, Frank Zappa and Bill Evans.

Ed does have a point. I think we need guidelines so people will KNOW what is considered advertising and what is not.

First of all, if someone posts something COMPLETELY FREE, such as free lessons, it can't be a thinly veiled ad to lead people into making a purchase. For instance, if it's a video lesson, it should not have references in it about "going to my website and signing up for more". It really should something that is given to the people on the forums to help them in one way or the other. Sure, if everyone knows you did the video and you have your website in your tagline, they can find your business. I think that's ok. EVERYTHING about the video should smell like a helpful gift, not an ad.

Secondly, posting videos should not be your only participation on the forum. If you only show up to post videos or whatever, then it is going to be considered that you're using the forum to promote your business. Yep, the moderators are going to have a bit of a tough time making judgment calls on this point, but we'll just have to do our best.

Third, whatever videos are posted should have SUBSTANCE to them. If videos are obviously thrown together just to get someone's name thrown around on the forum then I'm going to call it advertising.

Maybe a good way to look at it would be this. You participate on the forum and you develop friendships. You might do a video to illustrate a point in the conversation taking place. You might do a video to help a friend who states he/she is having a problem. Or you might do a video to generally instruct and help forum members because you have an area of expertise and you are doing so to help. In the piano forum dealers are not allowed to try to sell pianos. They are not allowed to constantly make self-serving posts. But it is allowed for them to share their knowledge to help others or answer questions.

I am seeing a lot of positive comments on Dave's videos. So if Ed were to give a gift to everyone of some instructional videos following the guidelines above, I'm going to assume they will be received in the same spirit. However, if we see a bunch of moderator reports I'm going to assume there is something personal going on.

As always, the moderators are the final judge if anything is questionable.

As I see it, if someone posts a free lesson, and in that lesson, is a link to sign up for paid lessons, then it is up to the viewer, whether or not, they wish to follow that link.The free lesson is still free, nevertheless.

Ed has a link to his paid lessons, in his signature, as do some others here (myself included).If such a link is deemed unacceptable, then a policy decision should be made clear to all members

Dave Frank has been putting up some really important information from the kindness of his heart on love of jazz.

First of all, let's define the level. Dave's expertise is at such high a level that the mere posting of the information is "news". It's beyond what is normally available anywhere. Anyone who knows any jazz understands this.

Please. From the kindness of his heart? He wants you to go to his website and purchase stuff. Again ... no problem here. But if he can do it, so can others selling stuff here.

As far as 'level of expertise' goes, it's irrelevant.

I agree that the level of expertise is irrelevant.

But I don't see a link to Dave's website. I've only watched one of his videos, a while back, and I don't remember a reference to his website. One post somewhere said something about his wife's website, maybe? At any rate, for me, who is a Luddite extroardinaire, he's hiding the link to his website from which he may or may not want me to buy something. But if I can't find a reference to it, I can't buy anything

What have I purchased? I haven't looked at anything to purchase. The links go to youtube! I didn't need to go to any website.

The 'level of expertise' is not irrelevant Ed. It's about value.

Common knowledge doesn't impart value. It goes to the heart of why all of us participate in a forum.

Dave Frank learned from Jazz great Lennie Tristano. Lennie has left us. Now here being codified on the internet is Lennie's teachings being shared. I don't have a nearby or common source of this information. Dave didn't give a "teaser" here so you can pay for more lessons. He's explaining the whole COMPLETE concept!

It seems on the other hand that you're using this event to justify your ability to sell your wares. Ok. To be fair, do exactly what Dave does. If it draws an audience, then good. It proves the value.

If there's no audience, then the VALUE must be missing. Then people percieve it as spam.