This is a discussion on 5-10 bbs / 100 Hands @ $0.01 / $0.02 NLHE within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; I've seen several threads and posts that give the expectation in the subject as what you should be able to make to consider yourself successful

I've seen several threads and posts that give the expectation in the subject as what you should be able to make to consider yourself successful at the game. A couple of questions I haven't seen specifically addressed (maybe I missed them):

What kind of a base sampling number is required to get rid of variances? 2000? 5000? 20,000 hands?

Does this 5-10 bbs "standard" carry over to bigger games?

At what rate / 100 hands should a player consider moving up to the next level of blinds, assuming he/she has good control of BRM and isn't going to overdo it?

Thanks.

Jamie

#2

7th February 2014, 3:17 PM

BluffMeAllIn [10,987]

Online Poker at: sigh Stars

Game: Any and All

Howdy sir.

50k hands would be an ok sample to get an idea of a relevant winrate, 100k would be even better but as low as 20k would be some idea keeping in mind could have been a heater involved for it that skews how good you actually would be over a significant sample at the limit.

As you move up limits essentially you will come accross better players and therefore in general the bb/100 winrate is often going to decrease a little. However that being said probably no reason you couldn't have similar winrates especially at 2nl, 5nl, 10nl.......I have seen in a thread yesterday that on stars if you can maintaine a 4bb/100 winrate over a large sample like 100k+ you are probably crushing it (i could be remember that wrong, maybe its 4BB which is 8bb, anyhow you get the idea higher the stake lower expected winrate but better hourly rate (ie profit) in essence if winning.

Moving up limits has more to do with skils and br than it does wheather you have put in a proven winrate at a level, especially when talking the lower levels like 2, 5, 10, 16, 25. Only because it is very possible to have built your br at any given level to move up prior to ever achieving a relevant sample of hands (especially at 2, 5nl).

Hope this helps, I'm sure there are some cash grinders who could input if I have steered you wrong here.

#3

7th February 2014, 3:29 PM

SeaRun [697]

Poker at: PokerStars

Game: HoldEm

re: Poker & 5-10 bbs / 100 Hands @ $0.01 / $0.02 NLHE

Great info, thanks, but a question:

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluffMeAllIn

SNIP<<<<Moving up limits has more to do with skils and br than it does wheather you have put in a proven winrate at a level, especially when talking the lower levels like 2, 5, 10, 16, 25. >>>>SNIP

Looking at myself, if I had a win rate of 1 or 2 bbs / 100 hands, even if I was playing enough to build a BR big enough to move up, I would question whether or not I had the skills necessary to make the move. Wouldn't your win rate be directly proportional to skill level over the long haul, like 50K hands as an example??

#4

7th February 2014, 3:58 PM

Arjonius [3,167]

Success should be measured against your goals, more so than against arbitrary standards.

In my case, when I started playing, my primary goal wasn't even to win. I had given myself a $150 BR but was not willing to add more, so the most important thing, even above winning, was not to go broke. I ended up winning over $2500 in my first year, so I thought that was pretty successful. However, if I were to play the same number of hours and win the same amount this year, while it wouldn't be an abject failure, it would be disappointing.

Also, keep your eye on the proper ball. The goal isn't to reach Xbb/100. It's to improve your game enough so that you get there. These aren't the same.