Ok, why are they protesting? Do they like it when Saddam gasses his own people? Do they like Saddam executing someone for tearing up a newspaper
with his picture on it? For making a joke about him? For holding rallies? These people are ignorant. They are peace nick hippies only when it
comes to Saddam. Ask me they are being funded by Saddam to hold these protests.

Originally posted by James the Lesser
Ok, why are they protesting? Do they like it when Saddam gasses his own people? Do they like Saddam executing someone for tearing up a newspaper
with his picture on it? For making a joke about him? For holding rallies? These people are ignorant. They are peace nick hippies only when it
comes to Saddam. Ask me they are being funded by Saddam to hold these protests.

Are they being being funded by Saddam to hold these protests James??? I ask :-)

Thanks for asking SB. I have no proof as of yet, but I would bet a dime on a beet this true. Maybe funded by Sadam, or maybe some Mauslim group.
Who knows, I just don't understand how they condone Saddam gassing his own people, executing them for ridicules things.

as with all mass protests, there a few troublemakers trying to start up trouble. you cant blame the entire crowd, that's ignorant

i was there yesterday, and the crowd was mostly complacent compared to how the police were rediculously controlling blocking 100s of people to a
sidewalk and preventing 10s of thousands of people from entering protests. there were also reports of cops pepper-spraying innocent protesters.

These people need to understand they're in a city on high alert. The police are nervous and more concerned about controlling the crowd than making
sure everyone can join in.

A report on the local CBS New York station this morning has 90 of the 300+ property damage reports from the supposed "calm" center of the protests
on 1st Avenue. Right, complacent... sure... keep fooling yourself.

You have a right to protest, but not at the expense of damaging the private property of others.

You're right MM, with the animal and human officer thing. if you kill a K-9 drug sniffing dog, you will be in the same amountof trouble as killing a
human officer. Except killing a human cop can be punishable by death, and don't know about dog or horse cop.

250 total arrests now.
12 of the arrests are serious felony assault against cops.
2 of the felony assults are the people that brought down the horse.
380 complaints of property damage. (109 from the supposedly calm center on 1st Avenue)
$5 million on overtime cost to the city.

This "peace" protest was more violent by 20 times (in arrests) than the anarchist's protests against the World Bank a few months ago... and the
anarchists planned to be violent.

These people need to understand they're in a city on high alert. The police are nervous and more concerned about controlling the crowd than making
sure everyone can join in. "

look, you have to understnad, the protesters were absoloutly complacent, i was there. there were cops everywhere, there were 500,000 protesters, if
the huge majority of the crowd wasn't complacent there would be something called a riot. there were a very limited number of events of violence on
both sides, you cant blame the actions of a few on the many. at a huge unregulated right wing rally you're goign to see ayrans and/or klan members
walking around, at a liberal rally you're going to see anarchists and communists. these people who went are living democracy, there's always a
violent radical sect - you just cant blame everyone. it's just ignorant.

Originally posted by drudgejr
look, you have to understnad, the protesters were absoloutly complacent, i was there. there were cops everywhere,

I live here. I tried to get down to see what was going on, but when I emerged from the 51st street subway at Lexington (about noon), there were about
150 "protestors" running down the sidewalk, chanting "this is what democracy looks like" throwing smoke bombs.

I couldn't get to 1st, so I went home.

Have you seen the video on NY1 of the chrowd on 2nd? The horses were being used to control the crowd. People were backing into the horses and
pretending to be unaware. One person slapped the horse on the rear, the horse spun, knock over someone, and four people jumped the horse's head and
wrestled the horse and cop to the ground.

I understand you can't blame everyone, but it's very ironic that this peace protest has resulted in more property damage, injuries, and arrests than
other protests that were planned to be violent. Don't you think?

Peace protest? Sure. It's one of several issues.
But, given the fact that America has been overtaken by the oligarchy that is the Bush camp, things will get worse.
"On High Alert" is a catch phrase cover all that will be the newest Orwellian phrase to catch vogue.....just like WMD's, and be used to camo police
state tactics.
I see no reason why peaceful protesters should ALL endure what the fringe factions warrant.
Or are you believer in "Free Speech Zones"!?!

Err.. have you lot even checked out what the police where up to on that rally? Attacking protesters, ripping down their placards, why? because they
wouldnt stay on the pavement. openly sneering and shouting at and insulting the protestors, 400 where draged off in handcuff and later realeased
without charge. A British journalist (richard wallace, daily mirror) who witnessed this was told "hey bud, if you know whats good for you, get the
f**k away". many who had travelled hundreds of miles where held back from joining the protests for no good reason. this is your basic freedoms
dissapearing as we speak, and you all lap it up like honey.

Originally posted by kegs
Err.. have you lot even checked out what the police where up to on that rally? Attacking protesters, ripping down their placards, why?

Absolutely... the protesters had extended way beyond the zone defined by their permit and were not listen to directives to try and get them to go
back. Again, they were being very unreasonable in testing the police by moving beyond the zone allowed in a city under high altert for violent
threats.

If you think that containment was bad, or excessive, you should be here new year's eve.

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