Morgana, you always get over defensive regarding Alonso. For the slightest thing.

There was nothing wrong with what he said and why he perhaps said it. It's all part of F1. There was no need for you to jump in and defend him because no one was attacking him. Alonso isn't the bane of the forum anymore.

That is your opinion; I disagree with it. And since I don't think that the other forumers would be interested in dicussing me in this thread, I will leave it there.

As for Alonso no longer being the bane of this forum, I'd say that he very much still plays that role for certain people. I'd suggest that you review some of the posts dated last November.

Finally, I don't think that the forum would have gone into meltdown had Alonso said that he thinks his strongest rival is Vettel; I would certainly have not given it any more relevance than I give him thinking that it is Hamilton. And I would not have claimed "mind games" either. As I said, he is entitled to having an opinion and expressing it, particularly if directly asked about it.

He isn't“It is a personal opinion, not political, not to make people think something. "He also lauds Vettel.

The fact that he has to say the statement is not political speaks for itself IMO.

Indeed.

He's also putting pressure on Hamilton to be the threat. Mind games.

Oh, for God's sake! His reference to it being an opinion and not political is very obviusly a reply to Helmut Marko's recent comments, about which he was directly asked in that press conference. And yes, he likes Hamilton better than Vettel. So? Isn't he entitled to an opinion different to that of those who think Vettel is better than Hamilton?

Trying to read a double meaning in every single little comment that an F1 driver makes is going to drive all of us crazy even before the new season starts...

Morgana you don't have to get defensive over everything everyone says about Alonso when he talks about Hamilton or Vettel.

It is mind games. It's always mind games with these guys. Alonso knows full well saying Hamilton is his biggest threat outs pressure on Lewis to prove he is exactly that in 2013. There's nothing wrong with it and I never said Alonsonwas the bad guy for doing so.

Also we don't know he likes Hamilton better than Vettel. They are both rivals. I doubt Alonso cares about either frankly. But when he can he'll wind them up and or put pressure on them. Every top driver does that. I'd be worried if they didn't.

Laura you seem to be in denial and just probably hate Alonso for making this comment or else you wouldn't be trying too play it down as mere Political games. Why would Alonso lie if asked a question like that? You say he does it too get on Vettels nerves right?

Just accept the truth he has said i multiple times he considers Lewis too be the best and strongest competitor on the grid

Just accept it i know i might be hard as a Hamilton hater but stop lying too yourself...

Vettel is the man that all drivers on the grid are looking to beat right now, or at least he should be. Focusing on anyone else other than the lead driver in the top team would just be silly. Always aim for the top (i.e. where Seb sits)

Not really jam, Kimi, Jenson and Lewis are champions so all should be watched.

Morgana, you always get over defensive regarding Alonso. For the slightest thing.

There was nothing wrong with what he said and why he perhaps said it. It's all part of F1. There was no need for you to jump in and defend him because no one was attacking him. Alonso isn't the bane of the forum anymore.

That is your opinion; I disagree with it. And since I don't think that the other forumers would be interested in dicussing me in this thread, I will leave it there.

As for Alonso no longer being the bane of this forum, I'd say that he very much still plays that role for certain people. I'd suggest that you review some of the posts dated last November.

Finally, I don't think that the forum would have gone into meltdown had Alonso said that he thinks his strongest rival is Vettel; I would certainly have not given it any more relevance than I give him thinking that it is Hamilton. And I would not have claimed "mind games" either. As I said, he is entitled to having an opinion and expressing it, particularly if directly asked about it.

To be fair I can see where Laura comes from. I'm sure if I looked through your posting history I'd find some posts of yours that aren't defending Alonso but I wouldn't say they are common... It's like it's your life mission

Morgana you don't have to get defensive over everything everyone says about Alonso when he talks about Hamilton or Vettel.

It is mind games. It's always mind games with these guys. Alonso knows full well saying Hamilton is his biggest threat outs pressure on Lewis to prove he is exactly that in 2013. There's nothing wrong with it and I never said Alonsonwas the bad guy for doing so.

Also we don't know he likes Hamilton better than Vettel. They are both rivals. I doubt Alonso cares about either frankly. But when he can he'll wind them up and or put pressure on them. Every top driver does that. I'd be worried if they didn't.

Laura you seem to be in denial and just probably hate Alonso for making this comment or else you wouldn't be trying too play it down as mere Political games. Why would Alonso lie if asked a question like that? You say he does it too get on Vettels nerves right?

Just accept the truth he has said i multiple times he considers Lewis too be the best and strongest competitor on the grid

Nope, Alonso is definitely playing mind games.

Seriously - how can anyone find his comments about Lewis believable? Not because Hamilton isn't good - he is extremely good, extremely strong, and extremely fast - but because...

Fernando Alonso said it.

This is the guy that couldn't stop taking digs at Lewis and McLaren right through to 2010 Valencia - where his grudge culminated in ruining his own race. It was only after that we got the love fest going. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out...

Morgana you don't have to get defensive over everything everyone says about Alonso when he talks about Hamilton or Vettel.

It is mind games. It's always mind games with these guys. Alonso knows full well saying Hamilton is his biggest threat outs pressure on Lewis to prove he is exactly that in 2013. There's nothing wrong with it and I never said Alonsonwas the bad guy for doing so.

Also we don't know he likes Hamilton better than Vettel. They are both rivals. I doubt Alonso cares about either frankly. But when he can he'll wind them up and or put pressure on them. Every top driver does that. I'd be worried if they didn't.

Laura you seem to be in denial and just probably hate Alonso for making this comment or else you wouldn't be trying too play it down as mere Political games. Why would Alonso lie if asked a question like that? You say he does it too get on Vettels nerves right?

Just accept the truth he has said i multiple times he considers Lewis too be the best and strongest competitor on the grid

Nope, Alonso is definitely playing mind games.

Seriously - how can anyone find his comments about Lewis believable? Not because Hamilton isn't good - he is extremely good, extremely strong, and extremely fast - but because...

Fernando Alonso said it.

This is the guy that couldn't stop taking digs at Lewis and McLaren right through to 2010 Valencia - where his grudge culminated in ruining his own race. It was only after that we got the love fest going. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out...

Vettel is the man that all drivers on the grid are looking to beat right now, or at least he should be. Focusing on anyone else other than the lead driver in the top team would just be silly. Always aim for the top (i.e. where Seb sits)

Not really jam, Kimi, Jenson and Lewis are champions so all should be watched.

They should all be watched yes, but the man to beat right now (hint, RIGHT NOW) should be Vettel, the man who's bagged 3 consecutive world championships. Of course beat Kimi, I want all 21 drivers to beat him, and beat Hami, Button, Nando, but Vettel's the main man at the moment. If I wanted to beat one person right now as a driver, I'd want to beat the triple champ, it's worth the most kudos. Well, thats what I think anyway.

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This is the guy that couldn't stop taking digs at Lewis and McLaren right through to 2010 Valencia - where his grudge culminated in ruining his own race. It was only after that we got the love fest going. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out...

This is the guy that couldn't stop taking digs at Lewis and McLaren right through to 2010 Valencia - where his grudge culminated in ruining his own race. It was only after that we got the love fest going. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out...

How so? Should Alonso have overtaken the Safety Car as well?

Let's not retake Europe and UK 2010 please. The stewards covered themselves in glory in those two races.

Morgana, you always get over defensive regarding Alonso. For the slightest thing.

There was nothing wrong with what he said and why he perhaps said it. It's all part of F1. There was no need for you to jump in and defend him because no one was attacking him. Alonso isn't the bane of the forum anymore.

That is your opinion; I disagree with it. And since I don't think that the other forumers would be interested in dicussing me in this thread, I will leave it there.

As for Alonso no longer being the bane of this forum, I'd say that he very much still plays that role for certain people. I'd suggest that you review some of the posts dated last November.

Finally, I don't think that the forum would have gone into meltdown had Alonso said that he thinks his strongest rival is Vettel; I would certainly have not given it any more relevance than I give him thinking that it is Hamilton. And I would not have claimed "mind games" either. As I said, he is entitled to having an opinion and expressing it, particularly if directly asked about it.

To be fair I can see where Laura comes from. I'm sure if I looked through your posting history I'd find some posts of yours that aren't defending Alonso but I wouldn't say they are common... It's like it's your life mission

Well, since you want to discuss it, I'll have a go at explaining my position

I have gone into my profile and checked how active I am in this forum: 0.23 posts per day on average. I don't think that with such low activity it can be said that defending Alonso is my life mission! Particularly as some other forumers here, who are far more active and far more vocal in defending and praising their favourite driver - and who do not limit their activity to this forum but cover other forums as well -, would merit such description with far more basis, and I would not steal such honour from them.

I often find myself in a defensive position when it comes to Alonso for two reason. The first one is that there is a group of forumers who hold a major grudge against the guy for some real or supposed offenses that either them or their favourite drivers have received from Alonso and are constantly attacking him; I usually ignore such attacks, but sometimes I react to negate certain assertions that are quite often plainly non-factual, and in other cases gross misinterpretations or speculations presented as facts (and taken by some as such). Those forumers are definitely a minority, but I must say that they are very vocal!

The second reason is more numerical oriented: haven't you realised that we have surprisingly few Alonso supporters in this forum? As you know, because you have been around for a long time, that didn't use to be the case; I can tell you that at least some, with which I am still in touch, left this forum because they were tired and bored of the constant demonisation of Alonso and his supporters in PF1 (which by the way, and before anyone makes the point, is not something that a mod team can easily control). That has left very few of us to stand up for the guy when he is unfairly trashed, so obviously we get noticed, even if we are far from frequent posters.

Finally, two comments: when you go through my profile, please look also for posts in which I have attacked any driver other than the ones I support, and then do the same with some other profiles with which I usually engage in discussions (I'll make it easier for you, Laura is not one of them ). Also, I will continue defending Alonso when I feel that he is unfairly attacked (some habits are hard to part with! ), partly because I like the guy and partly because I deeply dislike those who hide behind the anonimity of internet to pour their vitrol against others, in this case drivers. But if you (or any other forumer) ever see me being unnecessarily rude or harsh to others please let me know, because I'll be more than happy to apologise for my rudeness.

Morgana, you always get over defensive regarding Alonso. For the slightest thing.

There was nothing wrong with what he said and why he perhaps said it. It's all part of F1. There was no need for you to jump in and defend him because no one was attacking him. Alonso isn't the bane of the forum anymore.

That is your opinion; I disagree with it. And since I don't think that the other forumers would be interested in dicussing me in this thread, I will leave it there.

As for Alonso no longer being the bane of this forum, I'd say that he very much still plays that role for certain people. I'd suggest that you review some of the posts dated last November.

Finally, I don't think that the forum would have gone into meltdown had Alonso said that he thinks his strongest rival is Vettel; I would certainly have not given it any more relevance than I give him thinking that it is Hamilton. And I would not have claimed "mind games" either. As I said, he is entitled to having an opinion and expressing it, particularly if directly asked about it.

To be fair I can see where Laura comes from. I'm sure if I looked through your posting history I'd find some posts of yours that aren't defending Alonso but I wouldn't say they are common... It's like it's your life mission

Well, since you want to discuss it, I'll have a go at explaining my position

I have gone into my profile and checked how active I am in this forum: 0.23 posts per day on average. I don't think that with such low activity it can be said that defending Alonso is my life mission! Particularly as some other forumers here, who are far more active and far more vocal in defending and praising their favourite driver - and who do not limit their activity to this forum but cover other forums as well -, would merit such description with far more basis, and I would not steal such honour from them.

I often find myself in a defensive position when it comes to Alonso for two reason. The first one is that there is a group of forumers who hold a major grudge against the guy for some real or supposed offenses that either them or their favourite drivers have received from Alonso and are constantly attacking him; I usually ignore such attacks, but sometimes I react to negate certain assertions that are quite often plainly non-factual, and in other cases gross misinterpretations or speculations presented as facts (and taken by some as such). Those forumers are definitely a minority, but I must say that they are very vocal!

The second reason is more numerical oriented: haven't you realised that we have surprisingly few Alonso supporters in this forum? As you know, because you have been around for a long time, that didn't use to be the case; I can tell you that at least some, with which I am still in touch, left this forum because they were tired and bored of the constant demonisation of Alonso and his supporters in PF1 (which by the way, and before anyone makes the point, is not something that a mod team can easily control). That has left very few of us to stand up for the guy when he is unfairly trashed, so obviously we get noticed, even if we are far from frequent posters.

Finally, two comments: when you go through my profile, please look also for posts in which I have attacked any driver other than the ones I support, and then do the same with some other profiles with which I usually engage in discussions (I'll make it easier for you, Laura is not one of them ). Also, I will continue defending Alonso when I feel that he is unfairly attacked (some habits are hard to part with! ), partly because I like the guy and partly because I deeply dislike those who hide behind the anonimity of internet to pour their vitrol against others, in this case drivers. But if you (or any other forumer) ever see me being unnecessarily rude or harsh to others please let me know, because I'll be more than happy to apologise for my rudeness.

Thank you Morgana. I don't know why Laura feels that you always jump in to defend any slight against Fernando as I have always found that you only do it when certain threads get too carried away with their criticism of Alonso & you do it in a reasonable manner with facts & links that can be followed up rather than the usual speculation that a lot of others state as fact. This has been one of the reasons that I haven't bothered to defend Alonso in some threads as you tend to do it better than I think I might have as I sometimes can get rather emotional about the criticism & BS that goes on in this forum.

Apart from that, this is the official Fernando Alonso thread which is supposed to be for fans & others that appreciate him & not for anyone to pour criticism on him or his fans. I think that people need to understand that. Sorry if that upsets anyone but that is my 2 cents worth

Morgana, you always get over defensive regarding Alonso. For the slightest thing.

There was nothing wrong with what he said and why he perhaps said it. It's all part of F1. There was no need for you to jump in and defend him because no one was attacking him. Alonso isn't the bane of the forum anymore.

That is your opinion; I disagree with it. And since I don't think that the other forumers would be interested in dicussing me in this thread, I will leave it there.

As for Alonso no longer being the bane of this forum, I'd say that he very much still plays that role for certain people. I'd suggest that you review some of the posts dated last November.

Finally, I don't think that the forum would have gone into meltdown had Alonso said that he thinks his strongest rival is Vettel; I would certainly have not given it any more relevance than I give him thinking that it is Hamilton. And I would not have claimed "mind games" either. As I said, he is entitled to having an opinion and expressing it, particularly if directly asked about it.

To be fair I can see where Laura comes from. I'm sure if I looked through your posting history I'd find some posts of yours that aren't defending Alonso but I wouldn't say they are common... It's like it's your life mission

Well, since you want to discuss it, I'll have a go at explaining my position

I have gone into my profile and checked how active I am in this forum: 0.23 posts per day on average. I don't think that with such low activity it can be said that defending Alonso is my life mission! Particularly as some other forumers here, who are far more active and far more vocal in defending and praising their favourite driver - and who do not limit their activity to this forum but cover other forums as well -, would merit such description with far more basis, and I would not steal such honour from them.

I often find myself in a defensive position when it comes to Alonso for two reason. The first one is that there is a group of forumers who hold a major grudge against the guy for some real or supposed offenses that either them or their favourite drivers have received from Alonso and are constantly attacking him; I usually ignore such attacks, but sometimes I react to negate certain assertions that are quite often plainly non-factual, and in other cases gross misinterpretations or speculations presented as facts (and taken by some as such). Those forumers are definitely a minority, but I must say that they are very vocal!

The second reason is more numerical oriented: haven't you realised that we have surprisingly few Alonso supporters in this forum? As you know, because you have been around for a long time, that didn't use to be the case; I can tell you that at least some, with which I am still in touch, left this forum because they were tired and bored of the constant demonisation of Alonso and his supporters in PF1 (which by the way, and before anyone makes the point, is not something that a mod team can easily control). That has left very few of us to stand up for the guy when he is unfairly trashed, so obviously we get noticed, even if we are far from frequent posters.

Finally, two comments: when you go through my profile, please look also for posts in which I have attacked any driver other than the ones I support, and then do the same with some other profiles with which I usually engage in discussions (I'll make it easier for you, Laura is not one of them ). Also, I will continue defending Alonso when I feel that he is unfairly attacked (some habits are hard to part with! ), partly because I like the guy and partly because I deeply dislike those who hide behind the anonimity of internet to pour their vitrol against others, in this case drivers. But if you (or any other forumer) ever see me being unnecessarily rude or harsh to others please let me know, because I'll be more than happy to apologise for my rudeness.

Thank you Morgana. I don't know why Laura feels that you always jump in to defend any slight against Fernando as I have always found that you only do it when certain threads get too carried away with their criticism of Alonso & you do it in a reasonable manner with facts & links that can be followed up rather than the usual speculation that a lot of others state as fact. This has been one of the reasons that I haven't bothered to defend Alonso in some threads as you tend to do it better than I think I might have as I sometimes can get rather emotional about the criticism & BS that goes on in this forum.

Apart from that, this is the official Fernando Alonso thread which is supposed to be for fans & others that appreciate him & not for anyone to pour criticism on him or his fans. I think that people need to understand that. Sorry if that upsets anyone but that is my 2 cents worth

After the slight negativity that we have had on this thread I thought that I would post something positive. I have just returned from a 10 day holiday to Phuket in Thailand with my eldest sister & brother-in-law which included my 55th birthday. Before we went on holiday my husband hinted that he had ordered me a birthday present that I would really like. When I returned on Tuesday he had to tell me (rather disappointedly) that my present hadn't arrived yet but, it did today &, when I opened it, it was a signed Fernando Alonso cap from the official Ferrari website. I am not the sort of person that collects a lot of racing paraphenalia but I am extremely happy to add it to the collection of my Jeff Gordon NASCAR cap, my Valentino Rossi MotoGP cap, my Michael Schumacher Ferrari cap & the minature of Michael's first WDC Ferrari F1 car. My husband has spent 2 years searching for a Fernando Alonso/Ferrari cap that he thought I would like & he finally found it just in time for my birthday this year. Gotta love him

After the slight negativity that we have had on this thread I thought that I would post something positive. I have just returned from a 10 day holiday to Phuket in Thailand with my eldest sister & brother-in-law which included my 55th birthday. Before we went on holiday my husband hinted that he had ordered me a birthday present that I would really like. When I returned on Tuesday he had to tell me (rather disappointedly) that my present hadn't arrived yet but, it did today &, when I opened it, it was a signed Fernando Alonso cap from the official Ferrari website. I am not the sort of person that collects a lot of racing paraphenalia but I am extremely happy to add it to the collection of my Jeff Gordon NASCAR cap, my Valentino Rossi MotoGP cap, my Michael Schumacher Ferrari cap & the minature of Michael's first WDC Ferrari F1 car. My husband has spent 2 years searching for a Fernando Alonso/Ferrari cap that he thought I would like & he finally found it just in time for my birthday this year. Gotta love him

Fantastic !! lucky u.... i am going to try and get my cap signed at Barcelona this year

Morgana you don't have to get defensive over everything everyone says about Alonso when he talks about Hamilton or Vettel.

It is mind games. It's always mind games with these guys. Alonso knows full well saying Hamilton is his biggest threat outs pressure on Lewis to prove he is exactly that in 2013. There's nothing wrong with it and I never said Alonsonwas the bad guy for doing so.

Also we don't know he likes Hamilton better than Vettel. They are both rivals. I doubt Alonso cares about either frankly. But when he can he'll wind them up and or put pressure on them. Every top driver does that. I'd be worried if they didn't.

Laura you seem to be in denial and just probably hate Alonso for making this comment or else you wouldn't be trying too play it down as mere Political games. Why would Alonso lie if asked a question like that? You say he does it too get on Vettels nerves right?

Just accept the truth he has said i multiple times he considers Lewis too be the best and strongest competitor on the grid

Just accept it i know i might be hard as a Hamilton hater but stop lying too yourself...

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I really like Alonso... more so after '07 (Ron's as big a sugarplum as they come). Well, if he considers Lewis as the toughest competitor out there, that would explain why he lost to Seb in 2 deciders.

Morgana you don't have to get defensive over everything everyone says about Alonso when he talks about Hamilton or Vettel.

It is mind games. It's always mind games with these guys. Alonso knows full well saying Hamilton is his biggest threat outs pressure on Lewis to prove he is exactly that in 2013. There's nothing wrong with it and I never said Alonsonwas the bad guy for doing so.

Also we don't know he likes Hamilton better than Vettel. They are both rivals. I doubt Alonso cares about either frankly. But when he can he'll wind them up and or put pressure on them. Every top driver does that. I'd be worried if they didn't.

Laura you seem to be in denial and just probably hate Alonso for making this comment or else you wouldn't be trying too play it down as mere Political games. Why would Alonso lie if asked a question like that? You say he does it too get on Vettels nerves right?

Just accept the truth he has said i multiple times he considers Lewis too be the best and strongest competitor on the grid

Nope, Alonso is definitely playing mind games.

Seriously - how can anyone find his comments about Lewis believable? Not because Hamilton isn't good - he is extremely good, extremely strong, and extremely fast - but because...

Fernando Alonso said it.

This is the guy that couldn't stop taking digs at Lewis and McLaren right through to 2010 Valencia - where his grudge culminated in ruining his own race. It was only after that we got the love fest going. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out...

After the slight negativity that we have had on this thread I thought that I would post something positive. I have just returned from a 10 day holiday to Phuket in Thailand with my eldest sister & brother-in-law which included my 55th birthday. Before we went on holiday my husband hinted that he had ordered me a birthday present that I would really like. When I returned on Tuesday he had to tell me (rather disappointedly) that my present hadn't arrived yet but, it did today &, when I opened it, it was a signed Fernando Alonso cap from the official Ferrari website. I am not the sort of person that collects a lot of racing paraphenalia but I am extremely happy to add it to the collection of my Jeff Gordon NASCAR cap, my Valentino Rossi MotoGP cap, my Michael Schumacher Ferrari cap & the minature of Michael's first WDC Ferrari F1 car. My husband has spent 2 years searching for a Fernando Alonso/Ferrari cap that he thought I would like & he finally found it just in time for my birthday this year. Gotta love him