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Re: Liar Game Chapter 156 Discussion/157 Prediction

Ah yeah, interesting twist, though with all of their hidden cameras and stuff how come the LGT people are surprised as well? Or do they know?

Originally Posted by benelori

Could we get both ways? Like Harimoto as the spiritual leader the one who gets people on his side by manipulating hearts(as was described in the manga), and Kimura the brain? (the sort of manipulative brain that Yokoya and Aki have)...I dunno...it just seems weird...

Originally Posted by Reclaimer

If so, it would have to be such that Mikamoto and Abe do not know. Cult leaders are essentially god figures and it destroys the image when they have a member that is smarter than them.

Maybe they are both co-equal or something like that, well they all make the decisions together, we have not seen them debate though. But going that we kind of always thought Kimura was second in command I remember Harimoto always giving her stuff to do apart from the other, she was his first choice, so yeah I wonder what kind of mind game is played on Abe and Mikamoto.

Re: Liar Game Chapter 156 Discussion/157 Prediction

Hi. I'm new at posting here, but I've been lurking for a while (mostly to check up on hiatus news). Nice to meet you! )

I think that Kimura being the brains (and thus the true leader--in the context of the Liar Game, at least) behind the Harimoto group isn't so far-fetched. In the musical chairs game, she was the one the group voted to be the "vote leader." And she was the one Harimoto trusted (I use the word trust here loosely) enough to give access to his tablet. Of course, it might just be because she has the highest position among the other "members" in the group. This could be a good reason for letting her be the vote leader in the musical chairs game (remember that none of the other factions used their real leader--unless you count Nao). But, it's a pretty big risk for Harimoto to trust someone else with the operation of his tablet (especially in light of the weakening of Abe's beliefs). So it's either he has leverage over Kimura that ensures her complete loyalty, or she's the real boss and Harimoto has no choice but to follow her plans (because it's convenient for him and/or he can't think of a better plan).

Or maybe it's simply because no one else could have pulled off (or not embarrassed with doing) the spirit dance. )

Re: Liar Game Chapter 156 Discussion/157 Prediction

Hi malicere and welcome!~

What I'd like to add to your post is the members of Harimoto's group are pretty much unknown so the author is in a comfortable place to move the story in this direction...I also don't think that there's a clear hierarchy in terms of who controls whom in the group...I think Kimura is dependent on Harimoto's skills and viceversa...

Now the thing that bothers me a little bit is that, Yokoya didn't even suspect, or wasn't shown at least, that Harimoto might not be the real leader...and he was the one who was dealing with Harimoto a lot...of course it could be said that Yokoya wasn't exposed to the other members' behaviour like Nao is, but still...some foreshadowing could have been done to at least imply some sort of status quo within the group...

Re: Liar Game Chapter 156 Discussion/157 Prediction

Hello malicerejoins! Welcome and thanks for posting your first post in the LG forum!

Well guys I think that the reason why this is SUCH a big twist is as Reclaimer mentioned of how Kaitani set up the previous arc. The "big three": Akiyama, Harimoto and Yokoya. Though Kimura may be even smarter than them, if Harimoto planned some stuff, maybe Kimura is still "saving herself". We have to consider this now, though do you think Kaitani will just cut to Harimoto's group next chapter and we see Harimoto getting orders from Kimura? Too convenient.

Re: Liar Game Chapter 156 Discussion/157 Prediction

Might just take a long break and try to read it all once this game is finished.

That's not a bad idea. Doing that was the only way I was able to continue reading Bleach. (I know, a terrible life choice)

Originally Posted by Josef K.

Ah yeah, interesting twist, though with all of their hidden cameras and stuff how come the LGT people are surprised as well? Or do they know?

They are idiots. Also, one of them knew and will show us all about it next chapter!

Originally Posted by Josef K.

Maybe they are both co-equal or something like that, well they all make the decisions together, we have not seen them debate though.

I'm not an expert on cults, but I don't think it usually works that way. In large cults where it is impractical for the cult leader to micromanage everyone's lives there might be something of an "inner circle" where there is more discussion, but in a 4 man cult? I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Josef K.

But going that we kind of always thought Kimura was second in command I remember Harimoto always giving her stuff to do apart from the other, she was his first choice, so yeah I wonder what kind of mind game is played on Abe and Mikamoto.

Rigid hierarchy is pretty standard in cults. One member being second in command is not an issue as long as the cult leader makes everyone feel special and important.

Re: Liar Game Chapter 156 Discussion/157 Prediction

Yeah, the kind of cult Harimoto seems to be running probably wouldn't work if they had reason to believe there was someone more powerful behind him.

It could be possible that they're in on it and they're protecting Kimura's identity or that they believe Kimura is speaking through Harimoto, but with what we've been presented so far I think it's more likely that Abe and Mikamoto just don't know anything.

Re: Liar Game Chapter 156 Discussion/157 Prediction

Added a poll, we may be able to keep track as to how this arc is developing with the votes that each chapter is getting, I am sure it will be a bit negative, but I am curious to see as to what the overall standing of the arc would be. This chapter is great to me since it moved from the regular game setting into plot progression and was more about the characters.

Re: Liar Game Chapter 156 Discussion/157 Prediction

Originally Posted by Josef K.

Added a poll, we may be able to keep track as to how this arc is developing with the votes that each chapter is getting, I am sure it will be a bit negative, but I am curious to see as to what the overall standing of the arc would be.

I don't know about that. I think I'm the consistent negative force on this forum and my influence is limited to one vote. Also, never underestimate how uncritical readers are.