Very surprising race here with an ESS VT2-625 supercharged M3 taken down by an all motor LS3 Camaro SS. On paper, this race should easily go the M3's way considering it is claimed to have 570 wheel horsepower at 7.5 psi and also being the significantly lighter car. 570 wheel with a dual clutch transmission is good for 130 MPH trap speeds which a 520 wheel Camaro SS won't match. More power, less weight, dual clutch trans, the M3 should win rather easily. So what gives?

The Camaro SS with the LS3 naturally aspirated V8 has modified heads, a cam, intake, and exhaust said to be good for around 520 wheel horsepower.

BimmerBoost has no explanation other than the M3 likely not making the power claimed (it's easier to race on a dyno than in the real world) and possibly not having the right pulley either. Recently a BimmerBoost forum member stated they had a different pulley shipped with their ESS kit than they should have so it's possible this M3 owner isn't making the horsepower or boost they thought they were. The M3 is also said to be a DCT so how a dual clutch car making more power, shifting faster, and with less weight can lose is beyond reason unless the Camaro has more going on than he is letting on (nitrous).

This is the part where this site just sucks... There are now over 8 pages of trying to dissect why the M lost because thats just not possible in the mind of some. That the Camaro beat this thing is plainly evident, short of getting both cars on the same dyno the same day we wont know each cars respective numbers. Nor without the actual M's owner chiming in will we know what the cars performance is like. Unless there are other vids of the M crushing folks or the Camaro gettin spanked it is what it is.

Its a video, its entertainment and in this one the M took the L. Next one could go the M's way

SMH... Weather is just fine minus one snow y'all could run. I'm not even talking to Lost Marine till he spills the beans and says what he is buying. Notice that fool aint said a damn thing about a car. Just sayin

SMH... Weather is just fine minus one snow y'all could run. I'm not even talking to Lost Marine till he spills the beans and says what he is buying. Notice that fool aint said a damn thing about a car. Just sayin

mostly because I didnt have the car back yet. My new car is still sitting pretty waiting to be picked up. I dont want to be like another person we know that has/had a 30 page build thread months before he even ordered the first parts

I have several people lined up for my s/c kit as is, just waiting on 1 to pull the trigger, then my car gets on trailer and heads off

mostly because I didnt have the car back yet. My new car is still sitting pretty waiting to be picked up. I dont want to be like another person we know that has/had a 30 page build thread months before he even ordered the first parts

I have several people lined up for my s/c kit as is, just waiting on 1 to pull the trigger, then my car gets on trailer and heads off

I say again there is nothing to show the Camaro is more than stated or the M less than stated. There's a vid, there's a run and there's a winner. Anything else at this point is hypothetical. Until we get the respective owners to state their piece the vid stands

This is the part where this site just sucks... There are now over 8 pages of trying to dissect why the M lost because thats just not possible in the mind of some. That the Camaro beat this thing is plainly evident, short of getting both cars on the same dyno the same day we wont know each cars respective numbers. Nor without the actual M's owner chiming in will we know what the cars performance is like. Unless there are other vids of the M crushing folks or the Camaro gettin spanked it is what it is.

Its a video, its entertainment and in this one the M took the L. Next one could go the M's way

M's can lose, that isn't it. A bunch of videos have been shown with BMW's losing so you are looking at it the wrong way.

The issue isn't excuses for the car it's that ESS kits are portrayed often stronger than they really are. Either the Camaro is making more than advertised or the BMW is making less.

M's can lose, that isn't it. A bunch of videos have been shown with BMW's losing so you are looking at it the wrong way.

The issue isn't excuses for the car it's that ESS kits are portrayed often stronger than they really are. Either the Camaro is making more than advertised or the BMW is making less.

And analysis of runs for 8 pages is great and why this site rocks.

so basically if the M owner fessed up and said "hey, its really just a 600 kit and the 570ish whp is incorrect then this discussion should be finished? FWIW....I thought 650 kits were putting down that kind of power....(570ish whp)

so basically if the M owner fessed up and said "hey, its really just a 600 kit and the 570ish whp is incorrect then this discussion should be finished? FWIW....I thought 650 kits were putting down that kind of power....(570ish whp)

570 whp on a DCT is not as simple as they make it seem. I have to go with the M3 is just not making that power.