tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post86875101568341570..comments2018-03-18T03:06:13.078-07:00Comments on John K Stuff: Do All Bland Movies Make Profits?JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-2159358399115716352014-12-07T21:09:34.364-08:002014-12-07T21:09:34.364-08:00To add a new (Dec.2014) comment, I&#39;d say Space...To add a new (Dec.2014) comment, I&#39;d say Space Jam and some of dem others were the opposite of bland..too much of what John K. HIMSELF called tude....and that is too much..<br /><br />Of course one of my Hanna-Barbera favorites, The Flintstones by Season 5-6 (1964-66) eventually got watered down even before the Gazoo, though I do enjoy Dr.Sinsiter (S5E8), and the final season open &quot;No Pokeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936757752447320636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-28537905455041297272009-07-13T03:43:02.132-07:002009-07-13T03:43:02.132-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Chickens_are_crazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16145987409254582328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-29594060652523299312008-08-24T11:13:00.000-07:002008-08-24T11:13:00.000-07:00Thanks for making this post, John. I only came acr...Thanks for making this post, John. I only came across it right now, but I have to say this:<BR/><BR/>You have a pic of "The Wild" as a bland movie, when it is really a crap movie. I mean, seriously, what the hell was Disney thinking? Were they watching Madagascar while geeked on speed? What the hell?<BR/><BR/>It seems after all of that promotional advertisement, it still isn't much of a Subect 645-3https://www.blogger.com/profile/02549566560966437074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-23403306402582414732007-08-27T13:27:00.000-07:002007-08-27T13:27:00.000-07:00Great post!I think you've argued your point quite ...Great post!I think you've argued your point quite well,and I have to agree.<BR/> A lot of the ultra expensive "safe" boring cartoons often fail at the box office,so that "formula" doesnt always produce a sucess,and it is a greater financial risk.<BR/><BR/>Hiring creative,talented people and letting them do what they do best...ENTERTAIN,is the safer investment.<BR/><BR/>Bland only makes money Jim Rockfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03086033230534713351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-27943757114598848672007-08-23T10:32:00.000-07:002007-08-23T10:32:00.000-07:00iron giant was amazing.iron giant was amazing.Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12222188727648937540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-53470642642627718902007-08-22T20:32:00.000-07:002007-08-22T20:32:00.000-07:00This might be late...but...should we replace the w...This might be late...but...should we replace the word "Bland" with "non-profitable"?<BR/>After reading this, it makes me seem you are in favor of anything that would make a profit...disregarding any amount of craft in the animation.<BR/>I may be wrong...i hope I'm wrong.<BR/>There are plenty of 'safe' movies and 'bland' movies and whatever other terms you want to apply, that doesn't put them intoChris Pagelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954737052167992815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-3767312639342244712007-08-20T09:49:00.000-07:002007-08-20T09:49:00.000-07:00LOL. I wrote two of those Wikipedia articles (Fox ...LOL. I wrote two of those Wikipedia articles (Fox Animation and Warner Bros. animation). And yes, bland definitely does not always sell.b. Touchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00878364726248184167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-14401055028292320752007-08-18T19:25:00.000-07:002007-08-18T19:25:00.000-07:00Yes they areall this has already been covered y...Yes they are<BR/><BR/>all this has already been covered<BR/><BR/> you must have come in late on the posts.<BR/><BR/><BR/> Read Marc Deckter's defense of bland and then my rebuttal<BR/><BR/> I'm not sure what you are arguing about<BR/><BR/> some bland movies are hits, some aren't<BR/><BR/> bland doesn't guarantee success, that's allJohnKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-36219436024359986662007-08-18T19:17:00.000-07:002007-08-18T19:17:00.000-07:00Wait. What's our Cause?Sorry for the multiple post...Wait. What's our Cause?<BR/>Sorry for the multiple posts BTW.<BR/><BR/>Triplets of Belleville wasn't depressing. It was wonderful and fun and quirky. Have you not seen it? it's great.Chris Rankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07475810265758003185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-58769789740311147082007-08-18T19:14:00.000-07:002007-08-18T19:14:00.000-07:00PS ALL the Pixar movies have made profits and they...PS ALL the Pixar movies have made profits and they are all "Bland" according to your definitons.<BR/><BR/>I think it's ironic that Pixar has produced 7 blockbusters and Zero misses. ( it is 7 right?) Not ONE miss.Chris Rankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07475810265758003185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-47027655766353002432007-08-18T19:13:00.000-07:002007-08-18T19:13:00.000-07:00It looks really depressing to me, at least designw...It looks really depressing to me, at least designwise. Not very exciting or fun, but I'll take your word for it not being bland.<BR/><BR/>But it didn't make any money, so it doesn't support our cause.JohnKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-84868875407210024892007-08-18T19:11:00.000-07:002007-08-18T19:11:00.000-07:00JohnK said...>>Next, divide the list into two camp...JohnK said...<BR/>>>Next, divide the list into two camps: 1 - The bland, unoriginal, derivitave, or totally played out movies. 2 - The awesome, creator driven, groundbreaking features.<<<BR/><BR/>There are no awesome groundbreaking features. They are all bland.<BR/><BR/>Groundbreaking is not what we need anyway. We need old fashioned all-American sincere entertainment made by entertaining Chris Rankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07475810265758003185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-57001088437805086102007-08-18T14:13:00.000-07:002007-08-18T14:13:00.000-07:00Yeah, I'm not sure I understand. When you line the...Yeah, I'm not sure I understand. <BR/><BR/>When you line them all up, they all look pretty much the same.JohnKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-59903278195448950382007-08-18T09:43:00.000-07:002007-08-18T09:43:00.000-07:00I find it funny how a lot of the commenters are sa...I find it funny how a lot of the commenters are saying "All of the movies you referenced are bland EXCEPT this specific one that occupies a special place in my heart from when I was a child."<BR/><BR/>How dare you, John K. How dare you trample on the childhood memories of an entire generation :-P<BR/><BR/>Face it guys, your childhood memories are ones of blandness.Lexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17923790588905965590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-4006157058327750802007-08-18T09:26:00.000-07:002007-08-18T09:26:00.000-07:00So when can we expect the feature length Ren & Sti...So when can we expect the feature length Ren & Stimpy movie?Rodrigohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01980973906674137322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-64193673855959200332007-08-18T00:26:00.000-07:002007-08-18T00:26:00.000-07:00Wait, hold it right there... "Iron Giant" neither ...Wait, hold it right there... "Iron Giant" neither safe nor bland. I suppose it <I>was</I> similar to all other animated features in that it was projected at 24fps, and yes, its characters <I>were</I> all bipeds, but after that the significant similarities begin to diminish...Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17347494426830373650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-12562211720451814282007-08-17T17:55:00.000-07:002007-08-17T17:55:00.000-07:00>>Groundbreaking is not what we need anyway. We ne...>>Groundbreaking is not what we need anyway. We need old fashioned all-American sincere entertainment made by entertaining cartoonists.<<<BR/><BR/>You need to do a Direct to DVD or something. Show how cartoons are supposed to be done! There aren't enough funny cartoons. Most of the stuff today is visually boring and depressing. Start up a new studio and fix the problem!Ben Forbeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03289889645852675800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-6951862096870667512007-08-17T17:36:00.000-07:002007-08-17T17:36:00.000-07:00>>Next, divide the list into two camps: 1 - The bl...>>Next, divide the list into two camps: 1 - The bland, unoriginal, derivitave, or totally played out movies. 2 - The awesome, creator driven, groundbreaking features.<<<BR/><BR/>There are no awesome groundbreaking features. They are all bland.<BR/><BR/>Groundbreaking is not what we need anyway. We need old fashioned all-American sincere entertainment made by entertaining cartoonists.JohnKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-35459997728765154802007-08-17T14:28:00.000-07:002007-08-17T14:28:00.000-07:00I think if you can turn this post into something m...I think if you can turn this post into something more mathematical, you could really start to convince the execs that they should foster the creativity, instead of "playing it safe." It just needs to come off more scientific, so it won't just seem like your personal opinion, with nothing to back it up.<BR/><BR/>How about this?:<BR/><BR/>First, make a list of animated features. Limit it to only Chris_Garrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15615953094478911201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-14778785623783119352007-08-17T12:55:00.000-07:002007-08-17T12:55:00.000-07:00what's with that Pagemaster trailer? Who in their ...what's with that Pagemaster trailer? Who in their right minds would put Mariah Carey style music to go on with fire breathing dragons??<BR/>Oh, I just remember my dad took me to see Rock-a-doodle. My memory must have repressed it, i feel like an altar boy who blocks out the reminiscences of being abused by a catholic priest.Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814977074214570389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-27534332178564855082007-08-17T11:35:00.000-07:002007-08-17T11:35:00.000-07:00Hi John, Love your point of view and I've learned ...Hi John, Love your point of view and I've learned a lot. Regarding the whole 'funny' thing:<BR/><BR/>What do you think of the Miyazaki features? They really aren't funny other than a few gags interspersed, but I think it would a real stretch to deride the artistry that went into them. Maybe it is incorrect to call them cartoons, rather they are more film-like? He always manages to create a Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286461270592490534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-8609835219809365182007-08-17T03:18:00.000-07:002007-08-17T03:18:00.000-07:00Hi John K.As a 'non american' (I'm Spanish) I am a...Hi John K.<BR/><BR/>As a 'non american' (I'm Spanish) I am able to watch a lot of things which aren't cartoon or cartoonie. Most of them are crap, and yes, I have to suffer a lot of blandness when they trie to make big pictures with big budgets. But sometimes you can see some interesting 'small' things in festivals, commercials and even feature films like 'Belleville' or Ghibli movies. <BR/><BR/>Marius de Moraeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263422004491376703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-14922927199889880042007-08-17T01:08:00.000-07:002007-08-17T01:08:00.000-07:00Hey John,This is my first post but I've been readi...Hey John,<BR/><BR/>This is my first post but I've been reading your blog for over a year now. It's been perhaps the best resource I've ever come across on animation, cartoons, and just about all the basics on creating effective visual design. I always knew most modern cartoons were a farce compared to the classics, but until your blog I could never fully articulate the difference and reason why. Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14522407793752410168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-68416697661119704802007-08-17T00:40:00.000-07:002007-08-17T00:40:00.000-07:00Oh, my bad. They're probably the only really ente...Oh, my bad. They're probably the only really entertaining animated films DreamWorks has released.Johnny Mastronardihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17853573396840369358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-72599064234713530082007-08-16T23:02:00.000-07:002007-08-16T23:02:00.000-07:00I didn't say the Aardman stuff was bland. That's j...I didn't say the Aardman stuff was bland. That's just included in the list of Dreamworks films that I copied from Wikipedia.JohnKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.com