They've had two years and there has hardly been any movement on the developer side. This do over they've done only makes that pill harder to swallow.

So even if they get a fair amount of Win8 developers, how many will want to take the extra time to optimize it for WP8 given their track record so far? Doesn't that still circle back to the issue that not developing because of 'marketshare' is just a cop out by lazy companies.

Getting frustrated. My wireless dock shipped out the other day, and is supposed to be arriving today. That part is fine. What is not fine is they double charged me for the dock, and they are saying they don't see it on their end but it is clearly on my bank statement, the same price as the dock. Having to run circles around these people to get my money back. So frustrating.

+Perfect72, how many days has it been since the charge? It could be that they made an error, maybe give it a few days to clear, usually 3 business days. I work retail and have seen this happen before

I was charged on November 30th. I originally "paid" for it and the phone on November 20th. The wireless charger comes free with the phone. When I upgraded I had to swipe my card twice, once for $52.xx and another for $54.32 to add up to $106.99, which shows up on my statement. Then the November 30th charge was for, $54.32, the same charge for the wireless dock at the store. (They had to split it up to equal 106.99.)

I would normally think that, if it was a PRE-AUTH, but it is not, and was fully charged.

Id give it a full 3 business days and see if it goes away, *most* of the time thats the case if its a pre-auth, and att is probably correct that they can't see it on their end, same think has happened with me at the store. If it doesn't go away either call the bank to have it reversed or take the statement over to where you purchased.

You quoted me but I'm not exactly sure what your argument is? That people who know better shouldn't accept or recommend unfinished products that don't work to a degree of being more frustrating that usable? When alternatives are available?

Or that some people don't like the direction Microsoft is going in? They are two different things.

I personally like Windows 8/RT but think it's criminal the state the whole Windows 8 ecosystem has been released in. And most general "Best Buy" type consumers don't know any better. I absolutely do not recommend general consumers upgrade. They will get Windows 8 with a new PC and I'm not sure I would go so far as to recommend a downgrade. But upgrade for what? A headache, let Microsoft actually fix the thing and all the core apps and services.

The State Windows 8 is in "right" now, I have no problem saying @$^$ Microsoft, because everyetime I can't click a link in a metro app and launch a browser, a metro app quits, or I try to do anything with Xbox music, or try to sync my Windows 8 Phone (Lumia 920) I feel like Microsoft said @#%$ me. Well no, @##% you (Microsoft)!

Music, Video and Photos app on Windows 8 are truly horrible. They haven't improved in places where they need to be. Just a big mess.

Really want to go Windows Phone but the apps aren't their (particularly for my Bank) and there isn't a device with enough storage (I need at least 64GB).

Music, Video and Photos app on Windows 8 are truly horrible. They haven't improved in places where they need to be. Just a big mess.

Haven't improved?! I don't need improvement. They're not even as good as what Windows 7 has to offer. On second thought, that's not true. Windows Media Player in Windows 8 is as good as Windows 7's Windows Media Player.

Haven't improved?! I don't need improvement. They're not even as good as what Windows 7 has to offer. On second thought, that's not true. Windows Media Player in Windows 8 is as good as Windows 7's Windows Media Player.

well I mean they haven't improved much since RTM. These are apps and they should be updating them rapidly to catch up with WMP/Zune.

I heard the 620 might not be coming to the US. It could be a EU, Asia and so on only model. If true I guess it seems that Nokia thinks the US just wants bigger 4.3+ screen devices and not something small like the 620 with it's 3.8"' screen. Actually I think this could be exactly it since even HTC isn't going to release their own low end 8S in the US either.

Well Im hooked, I just got the Lumia 810 from T-Mobile. This is my first smart phone and its everything I need, easy to customize and very streamlined. App wise, there are only a few I am waiting for, but whats great is that I really don't need to download many. This phone is a little bigger than the iPhone 5, but its also incredibly light.