Voting: Right or Privilege? Or... - Think Atheist2016-12-09T14:05:48Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/voting-right-or-privilege-or?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1189782&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noA review of definitions:
Righ…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-29:1982180:Comment:12182122012-11-29T02:43:02.235ZRon Vhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/RV
<p><span class="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0">A review of definitions:</span></p>
<p><span class="hw">Right</span> 1) n. an entitlement to something, whether to concepts like justice and due process, or to ownership of property or some interest in property, real or personal. These rights include various freedoms, protection against interference with enjoyment of life and property, <strong>civil rights enjoyed by citizens such as voting</strong> and access to the courts, natural rights…</p>
<p><span class="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0">A review of definitions:</span></p>
<p><span class="hw">Right</span> 1) n. an entitlement to something, whether to concepts like justice and due process, or to ownership of property or some interest in property, real or personal. These rights include various freedoms, protection against interference with enjoyment of life and property, <strong>civil rights enjoyed by citizens such as voting</strong> and access to the courts, natural rights accepted by civilized societies, human rights to protect people throughout the world from terror, torture, barbaric practices and deprivation of civil rights and profit from their labor, and such American constitutional guarantees as the right to freedoms of speech, press, religion, assembly and petition. 2) adj. just, fair, correct. (See: <a href="http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/civil%20rights">civil rights</a>, <a href="http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/marital%20rights">marital rights</a>)</p>
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<p><span class="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0">2) PRIVILEGE, rights. This word, taken its active sense, is a particular law, or a particular disposition of the law, which grants certain special prerogatives to some</span> persons, contrary to common right. In its passive sense, it is the same prerogative granted by the same particular law. <br/> 2. Examples of privilege may be found in all systems of law; members of congress and of the several legislatures, during a certain time, parties and witnesses while attending court; and coming to and returning from the same; electors, while going to the election, remaining on the ground, or returning from the same, are all privileged from arrest, except for treason, felony or breach of the peace. <br/> 3. Privileges from arrest for civil cases are either general and absolute, or limited and qualified as to time or place. <br/> 4.-1. In the first class may be mentioned ambassadors, and their servants, when the debt or duty has been contracted by the latter since they entered into the service of such ambassador; insolvent debtors duly discharged under the insolvent laws; in some places, as in Pennsylvania, women for any debt by them contracted; and in general, executors and administrators, when sued in their representative character, though they have been held to bail. 2 Binn. 440. <br/> 5.-2. In the latter class may be placed, 1st. Members of congress this privilege is strictly personal, and is not only his own, or that of his constituent, but also that of the house of which he is a member, which every man is bound to know, and must take notice of. Jeff. Man. Sec. 3; 2 Wils. R. 151; Com. Dig. Parliament, D. 17. The time during which the privilege extends includes all the period of the session of congress, and a reasonable time for going to, and returning from the seat of government. Jeff. Man. Sec. 3; Story, Const. Sec. 856 to 862; 1 Kent, Com. 221; 1 Dall. R. 296. The same privilege is extended to the members of the different state legislatures. <br/> 6.-2d. Electors under the constitution and laws of the United States, or of any state, are protected from arrest for any civil cause, or for any crime except treason, felony, or a breach of the peace, eundo, morando, et redeundo, that is, going to, staying at, or returning from the election. <br/> 7.-3d. Militia men, while engaged in the performance of military duty, under the laws, and eundo, morando et redeundo. <br/> 8.-4th. All persons who, either necessarily or of right are attending any court or forum of justice, whether as judge, juror, party interested or witness, and eundo, morando et redeundo. See 6 Mass. R, 245; 4 Dall. R. 329, 487; 2 John. R. 294; 1 South. R. 366; 11 Mass. R. 11; 3 Cowen, R. 381; 1 Pet. C. C. R. 41. <br/> 9. Ambassadors are wholly exempt from arrest for civil or criminal cases. <br/> Vide Ambassador. See, generally, Bac. Ab. h.t.; 2 Rolle's Ab. 272; 2 Lilly's Reg. 369; Brownl. 15; 13 Mass. R. 288; 1 Binn. R. 77; 1 H. Bl. 686; Bouv. Inst. Index, h.t.</p> Sadly, it might be that we al…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-29:1982180:Comment:12180652012-11-29T02:02:52.977ZJames Coxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/JamesCox
<p>Sadly, it might be that we already have this voting policy. I remember the amount of time I spent before the last election to research the issues and candidates. I think I finally decided to use a list of recommendations from a liberal political group I 'trust'.mostly..?</p>
<p>I quess if I was 12 and was obcessed with Pokemon, I might have used the commercials and carton plots to make an 'informed' decision. Pick your 'source' of twisted insight, and make you mark! </p>
<p>Sadly, it might be that we already have this voting policy. I remember the amount of time I spent before the last election to research the issues and candidates. I think I finally decided to use a list of recommendations from a liberal political group I 'trust'.mostly..?</p>
<p>I quess if I was 12 and was obcessed with Pokemon, I might have used the commercials and carton plots to make an 'informed' decision. Pick your 'source' of twisted insight, and make you mark! </p> A 12 year old isn't even real…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-29:1982180:Comment:12181212012-11-29T01:34:11.037ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>A 12 year old isn't even really ready for serious babysitting. </p>
<p>Since you tacitly admit that their views are likely to be ill-advised (let's add ill-informed, naive, and often childish), and since they have almost no sales resistance, much less impulse control, I don't think giving children the vote would be a wise idea. Adults can be equally irresponsible, but at least they are paying taxes.</p>
<p>At the least, I'd want to see the results of some "moot" elections. For example, if…</p>
<p>A 12 year old isn't even really ready for serious babysitting. </p>
<p>Since you tacitly admit that their views are likely to be ill-advised (let's add ill-informed, naive, and often childish), and since they have almost no sales resistance, much less impulse control, I don't think giving children the vote would be a wise idea. Adults can be equally irresponsible, but at least they are paying taxes.</p>
<p>At the least, I'd want to see the results of some "moot" elections. For example, if Justin Bieber or Jeremy Lin had been on the ballot for the 12 year olds, I wonder how many votes Justin or Jeremy would have got. I think the result would be pretty convincing that a 12 year old isn't ready to vote.</p> I think anyone over 12 should…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-28:1982180:Comment:12177872012-11-28T13:57:18.249ZMaya Komrikhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/MayaKomrik
<p>I think anyone over 12 should be allowed to vote. Maybe a test could be required,but I don't see any reason for these restrictions. The laws affect them, too, so it doesn't matter how "ill-advised" their opinions are, I think. There are people over fifty that think like five year olds. Everyone is different.</p>
<p>I think anyone over 12 should be allowed to vote. Maybe a test could be required,but I don't see any reason for these restrictions. The laws affect them, too, so it doesn't matter how "ill-advised" their opinions are, I think. There are people over fifty that think like five year olds. Everyone is different.</p> Taking the name off the ballo…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-14:1982180:Comment:11935752012-10-14T12:46:05.512ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>Taking the name off the ballot would help a lot. Anyone studying elections in the United States soon discovers the irrational advantage of having a surname that's Irish/Scottish, Italian, or Anglo-Saxon.</p>
<p>Taking the name off the ballot would help a lot. Anyone studying elections in the United States soon discovers the irrational advantage of having a surname that's Irish/Scottish, Italian, or Anglo-Saxon.</p> It's more profitable to game…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-14:1982180:Comment:11937922012-10-14T07:55:47.836ZGrady Jeanhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/GradyMarkEwaldJean
<p>It's more profitable to game the system while everyone's focusing on Red V. Blue. It's more profitable to see that nothing major gets done, and keep feeding the public on the idea that its the fault of "The Other Party".</p>
<p>It's more profitable to game the system while everyone's focusing on Red V. Blue. It's more profitable to see that nothing major gets done, and keep feeding the public on the idea that its the fault of "The Other Party".</p> We have trouble correctly tal…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-05:1982180:Comment:11898152012-10-05T01:21:03.125ZEdhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/EdwardDelauter
<p>We have trouble correctly tallying current election votes and you want to throw fractions into the debacle? </p>
<p>:^ )</p>
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<p>We have trouble correctly tallying current election votes and you want to throw fractions into the debacle? </p>
<p>:^ )</p>
<p></p> And for that matter what abou…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-05:1982180:Comment:11897822012-10-05T00:37:04.919ZSteveInCOhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/SteveInCO
<p>And for that matter what about the atrocious events of 1937-1941?</p>
<p>And for that matter what about the atrocious events of 1937-1941?</p> Suffrage should be a universa…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-04:1982180:Comment:11898062012-10-04T23:56:26.926ZGerard R. Johnsonhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/GerardRJohnson
<p>Suffrage should be a universal right in all states for all residents of the age of 18 or older and in the case of convicted felons, after having served their mandated sentences they should be permitted to be restored to civil rights and be allowed to vote. </p>
<p>Suffrage should be a universal right in all states for all residents of the age of 18 or older and in the case of convicted felons, after having served their mandated sentences they should be permitted to be restored to civil rights and be allowed to vote. </p> In a democracy, voting should…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-10-04:1982180:Comment:11895902012-10-04T23:06:59.067ZDoug Reardonhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/DougReardon
<p>In a democracy, voting should be a mandate.</p>
<p>In a democracy, voting should be a mandate.</p>