there’s also the other one Tom that alleges to show an election agent filling in ballot papers. I’m not sure tbh, but if people are concerned about electoral fraud then they need to contact the respective authorities or fill in the petitions on 38degrees or change.org that are doing the rounds on FB

Much as I wanted the Scots to Vote Yes, this video is not so much irrefutable bombshell as indescribable bullshit.
1. There is no establishing shot – where is this counter based?
2. Who organised this conspiracy and how did they keep it secret?
3. Why a US voice-over?
4. ‘Admissable in a Court as evidence’? This would be the jumping Australasian mammal Court then? No civilised Court would allow this.

This is dodgy as fuck. There is a lot at stake in Scotland. An NHS …intact! Will be worth trillions to USA style healthcare and all the baksheesh paid out to already wealthy Tories. Then the oil. Check out the Conservative FB page….joy and jubilation. Says it all. Welcome to Tory Heaven.

There are other videos doing the rounds as well showing that bundles of YES papers were stacked on the NO table. It is not clear what to make of these videos. Who took them and why were no objections made at the time, for instance?

What I did notice at the counts were the small number of people arranged around the tables monitoring the proceedings. That was most unusual. Why were there so few observers? It rings alarm bells. I also admit being worried about the postal votes which would have been much easier to tamper with. With so much at stake it is really important that people can trust the result. I don`t, because I don`t trust the Labour councils I am sorry to say.

At first sight, it looks like this woman repeatedly moves papers from one pile to another. But go back and look again and it actually only happens once. Watch the other people’s movements in the scene and they are repeated. There were dozens of observers at the counting centres. – they would have rumbled this if it were happening on any scale large enough to swing the vote. The margin of difference in the vote were in the tens of thousands – not dozens. So they would have needed an army of these women doing this.

To say the video ‘proves’ corrupt practice is to stretch the meaning of ‘proof’ beyond all commonsense. The whole thing is a scurrilous piece of bilge posted on YouTube by an organisation at the forefront of combatting the (imagined) New World Order. I.e ‘professional’ conspiracy theorists.

The video commentator is going a long way over the top by declaring that this proves the whole referendum was rigged. All the video shows is one vote-counter sorting ballot papers in a dodgy-looking way, and without offering any context of what she was doing before or after.

Now for sure, whoever she is, she has questions to answer, but to suggest that this means the whole referendum was a fix is a gigantic leap. At the most, this woman would have handled a few thousand ballot slips. The referendum had millions of ballot papers across all of Scotland, and I am yet to see any evidence to suggest any other vote-counters were doing anything wrong.

And even this woman might have an explanation for what she was doing. I’d like to hear her side of the story before we start scouring Grassy Knolls for gunmen.

Definately corruption by Westminster, they are very capable of a lot more besides. We Scots have been shafted by them and you Scots who voted NO have shit in your own nest and sold your fellow Scots down the swannie. Just watch all those so called promises not happen-assholes.

Cameron now talking of devolving a say and some power to the North East.
While the south rakes in the scottish oil revenues, the north can now have devolved power over income tax and welfare and more say over everything that can raise revenue for local government which has been starved of funding from central government.

Which will result in a constant flow of surveys with structured questions designed to allude to the outcome the establishment wants, and those paying income tax being able to kick the unemployed who they think are living on their largesse.

Somebody start a civil war and kick these jokers in Westminster up into the clouds with bear Grylls in the virgin galactic for good.

I wonder how many didn’t vote, because the outcome does not reflect the view of the majority of the Scottish people in any way shape or form.
Showing a phoney video clip of false counting could be masking real chicanery

This is probably complete bull shit, there is probably no real, hard, unquestionable evidence, proving the case. They probably have no idea what these people where doing, they have no idea how it was managed, or what happened, all they have are some clips of videos.
The No table, for example, short term storage of the vast number of votes that have to be counted. The man with the pen, administration, note taking work that had to be done. The woman, she made a mistake (late night) and put it correct, or some work before hand, you probably have no idea what’s on that paper. These people could be completely innocent.
Regardless the outcome of a vote, nation or what ever, people and lives come first, every time, regardless or country, opinion, etc. If claims against people are going to be made, strong , unbiased evidence, that can stand up to questioning has to be provided. The video, to me, proves nothing and just brings up more questions.

Interesting. It should definitely be investigated, although by whom I don’t know. The thing is, why would you rig the vote at this stage? If I was going to rig a vote I would fiddle with the postal ballots, or open the ballot boxes between the polling station and the count. Hiring a load of counters to miscount the ballot papers seems inefficient and involves too many people to keep quiet.
That said, some people will question the bizarre pictures of the Yes votes in the No pile and this is a. A mistake, B. An image taken out of context (maybe uncounted votes were placed on a table next to the word No, prior to being counted), c. Electoral fraud.
The matter needs addressing, as, with such a close outcome, the result needs to be indisputable.

Do you honestly think tis video has any credibility? It is being shared like wildfire around the web. It would have been brought to the attention of the no campaign and the shit would have hit the fan by now, Do you know just how easy it is to fake stuff like this? You can edit any frame of a video very easily, in any cheap video editing program. Honestly – this is absurd!

garry
i agree it is BS…the whole process was watched by many different groups….
the polling stations and counting places did a fantastic job of work…there was NO fiddle….but it is also a good thing that people bring their concerns forward, like post their suspicions…for our scrutiny and discussion…people must realize that the no vote, has given WM a mandate to do as it will, this what should really concern people..

Keeping in mind too that these people would of been watched over like a hawk and the counting heavily managed.

Any modified votes would of probably been rejected and votes would of probably been counted more than once, by different people and results of the same piles of votes compared to makes sure the results matched. There would of be safe guards in place.

Plus as there was a camera crew pointing a camera at these people, in a place that is probably been heavily watched over and managed and everything that happens in there questioned. I find it hard to believe that these people would want to do anything wrong, or not related to their role.

I really do think more is been read into these videos than there is and the evidence is extremely weak.

I do not have an issue with people bringing up their concerns, I have an issue with the claims been made, weak evidence been shown, then said that evidence would be strong enough for “court”, or is some kind of silver bullet, instead of, “lets just ask and look into the issue first, before we jump to a conclusion”.

But there was a no vote, WM has to give Scotland the powers that where promised and the issue of the people of all the nations of the UK is to make sure WM does what is best for all people and nations within the UK.
The whole of the UK, not just Scotland, has to hold WM to account on matters regarding the UK and it’s future.
Even that I do read history and understand how it played and important role in our current present , I do prefer to concentrate on the present and to worry more about our future than the past :-).

Mmmm why not just get another table….would seem too easy for those YES votes to get overlooked on the NO table.
The photo was taken directly from the TV, not sure if it was during the Glasgow count; it was definitely after the Clackmannanshire result because you can just see the details scrolling across the bottom of the screen.

Short term storage???? No chance. If you have a bundle of YES votes and put them on the NO table, then AT THE VERY LEAST, you should put a stick it note under the elastic band saying ” PLEASE NOTE YES VOTES IN THIS BUNDLE” or words to that effect so that it was immediately obvious to anyone that they were YES votes. Otherwise, the scenario could go like this;

Counting Officer 1 “where are those YES votes I put on the NO table?”

Counting Officer 2 “Oh. Were there YES votes on there? I thought they were all NO votes cos they were on the NO table. I’ve moved them all now sorry!”

Counting Officer 1 “Oh never mind, I won’t tell anyone if you won’t, otherwise we’ll end up doing a recount”

nuggy: That’s because no YES voter was permitted to exit any polling station…they werearrested by guards, herded away into a soundproof underground chamber, and then beheaded 🙂 [sorry to make light of what is a serious matter]

I thought it was middleclass scots, irish etc living in London that won the No Vote, after all everybody might have to move to Scotland for work or investment if they kept their own oil revenues after a yes vote.

It was rigged by the establishment and the media whichever way you look at it.

I speak as someone who is almost a veteran of these counts on election nights when I say that is simply not credible.The agents and sub agents would have noticed this the second it happened.You can put any conspiracy theories straight in the rubbish bin.

Wrjones We are not talking conspiracy theories regarding the red herring video, we are talking about scaremongering by the established mainstream parties both north and south, not to mention the media who helped the NO campaign along.

The boxes should be sealed until they are opened to count the votes inside the box, they should not have been opened before. It seems that as they are stacked in a neat pile as if they could have already been counted.

obd only if you believe the lies can you be frightened enough to vote no, so if that was the case maybe it was their guillibility that caused them to vote no.
The elderly seem to the think that the younger generation would not care for them anyway wherever you live and are afraid of power in what they see as uncaring hands.

How much media coverage or celebrity influence did you see for the yes vote?
There was hardly any on my regional tv, It might be easy for you to move on but not for those who will have continuous hardship and suffering from Westminster.

LIke I said selfishness and self interest seems to be the order of the day and I for one will not give up the fight nor cow tow to mainstream meglomaniacs.

fawkes
i can tell you that people in their droves are joining the SNP, leaving the slabs, cancelling there cable subscriptions, and their TV licences…refusing to shop any where that supported no and pressurized staff to vote no… http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04h8jff re glasgow yesterday from 2.28-2.33

The New World Order exists, read up on it, how the banks are involved and the public have had to bail them out when they lost the public’s money and should be prosecuted, ask yourself why has no one been prosecuted and why are we the people carrying the debt ? something’s not right there….. if you want me to detail how the NWO is structured I would be happy to. I belive in good debate and listening to opposing sides and I look forward to hearing from you if you choose to respond.

There are now four seperate accounts of possible vote rigging, in Dundee, Aberdeen, Glasgow and Edinburgh. If the ‘No’ campaign won it fair and square why would they be worried about a recount ? If it was the other way and the ‘YES’ won and there were four seperate suspected accounts of vote rigging then a recount would be demaded and that would have to happen, otherwise no one can be sure of the result and the only way to quieten down all the discord is to be shown to show whoever won the election as winning it fair and square. As an added note there are also claims from the Russian adjudication officers that there was vote rigging and breaches in International election law.

Its within ‘Yes’s interests to say this though !!!!!!!!!! I would have thought that this statement itself would be evidence enough that votes were rigged ….why are ‘yes’ saying this… it should be the adjudicators…….

bewhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u–ZgdOxIm8
Published on Sep 20, 2014
Hundreds of protesters march through the streets of Dundee – also known as the yes city. The people of Dundee overwhelmingly voted yes and would like to keep the momentum for change going. It is clear that the people here desperately want independence and that they’re not about to give up on that dream anytime soon.

Although it was estimated that 70% of Dundee would vote yes, there was a false fire evacuation for 20 minutes during the count, and the yes vote ended up at only 57%, causing rumours of corruption.

There have been allegations of corruption during the count for the referendum, with videos being shared around social media of counters spoiling papers, placing piles of yes votes into piles of no votes, yes votes clearly lying amongst no vote piles and so on.

All you idiots who can’t see the real point! The referendum wasn’t substantially biased by a few people falsifying a few votes. Focussing on that means you’re missing the real ‘vote rigging’, which was the lies told during the campaign, but those chickens will come home to roost eventually……

OBD – Firstly, it wasn’t devo-max which the three parties vowed to provide, because that is FULL fiscal autonomy, and that wasn’t what they promised. In fact what they suggested is not significantly from what is already legislated in the 2012 Scotland Act…… and they don’t look like being able to agree about it anyway!

Secondly, they didn’t break purdah, because it wasn’t the Westminster government which ‘vowed’ it, only the party leaders. That of course also means that the ‘vow’ does not legally have to be honoured because it is not subject to the Edinburgh Agreement, as we are now discovering. Basically the Scottish people were lied to……

Lets deal first with this so called issue of “purdah”.There has never been such a concept ever in UK Elections.in UK General Elections people who use a postal vote do this in lets say the second week of the Election Campaign.From then on the political parties are still promising the earth right until Polling Day!

Mr Jones – Although the word “purdah” is not used in the Edinburgh Agreement, section 29 sets out the terms out very clearly. These terms are binding only on the Scottish and UK governments, not on political parties. That is why Cameron, Miliband and Clegg were able to publish their lies (sorry, I mean vows!) in the last few days of the referendum campaign.

I’m as pissed off as every other yes voter, but to suggest that these images show the vote was rigged is nonsense. I have worked as a vote counter (although not at the referendum). It’s perfectly normal for piles of votes to be moved around during the counting process, for any number of reasons. To suggest that vote counters would collude with vote rigging is an insult to their integrity. I have counted votes I disagreed with – I have counted BNP votes that made me feel tainted and like I wanted to burn the paper and wash my hands after handling them, but I counted them because it was my job to count them. Grumble about the result all you like, but don’t accuse vote counters of corruption.

Sorry you can’t say anything is nonsense until an investigation has been conducted. No one knows what happened unless they were both there and telling the truth. Why we are making comments saying its either rigged or not is beyond me.The question has been asked ‘Does this video imply the election was rigged ?’ So now the official election fraud detection need to be sent the video via an official complaint and then it must be investigated. Until then we are all just guessing.