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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nilsor II
[B]I think the best arguement for the figure's existance is the figure itself. They can't all be stunningly identical repaints. Is a repaint going to leave the detail work on the shorts and covr their original color? The same finish as other MOTU figures? Also, the plastic of the torso is a strange tint not found in other figures.
The figure is clearly real, the origins are convoluted.

Good Point. But I still think something is not right with the whole thing. I just can't believe that every kid in the world that ever recieved a WB He-Man from a mail in promotion back in the 80's, can't remember where it came from. With all the traffic to He-Man.org and recent resurgence of He-Man, someone MUST remeber or know the origin of this figure, if it is real. Yet no one is talking. It's funny, but compare it to area 51. The government denies it's existence (mattel denies any involvement with the figure, and states it was never produced). Only a select few work (worked) there, but everyone suposedy knew someone who did, (how may of you actually have an original WB He-man? or just got it off ebay from someone claiming to have recieved it when they were kids). So scientifically/technically, the figure doesn't exist. Which ads to the mystery, and makes it a very Hot commidity. Now this is where I believe many people are cashing in on it. I believe people can do anything with some paint and whatever else they can get ahold of. I knew a guy who could take the bubble of a carded figure, and seal it back on, and you would never know. I mean MINT condition. Scary. Sorry to ramble on, just had to say what I was thinking.

You certainly make your points well. I think Alucard's post about his mother's memories of the figure was fascinating. It totally jives with the images the Fowler's have. There is a little card thing that has a mail in offer for something Barbie, something troll doll like, and MOTU, represented by Man-E-Faces. If that ffer wasn't for this figure, what was it for? Where are the recollections of that offer?
I can totally imagine Wonder Bread not being involved. I have heard theory that the confusion of Wonder Bread comes from the MOTU cards that came with loaves for a spell. I also saw a lot on eBay once where the seller described the figure as coming from a promotion of Sunshine Soap, a company I have never heard of. He claimed to even have called the figure "Sunshine" because of it. I certainly having to **** my head at a child naming a darker version of the He-Man figure a name more suited for a cohort of Sir Hugs-A-Lot, to reference the same era.
I would certainly be careful when buying one from eBay. Personaly, I would balk at any thing worth $100s that the person hasn't put forth effort to make clear large pictures of. If I ever sell my Mail-Away He-Man, I will have supr close-up shots of even the soles of his boots.
I certainly would not put my money on any specific origin for the figure, but don't doubt that the figure itself is real. I love toys, and my brothers are professiponals in the toy sculpting industry, so I take note of production values and issues. This isn't repaint on my figure. His torso is a different tint to the 5 other variations I have of the He-Man figure. I am trying to sort them out if any experts can help!
If nothing else, it provides us with much material for discussion and conjecture and research; al joys to the collector's mind.

Originally posted by alucard I know it had nothing to do with WB because like I said I had the figure and my parents never bought wonder bread.

My parents also bought Sunbeam as a kid and so did my grandparents. If there would have been an offer like that they would have told me about it when I was little I have a good memory so I would have remember that. I'm not calling your mom a liar or anything alucard. That's just my opinion.

Originally posted by Nilsor II Alucard did not bring up Sunbeam, I did. And it wasn't in connection to Sunbeam offering the figure, just to the fact that I never ate Wonder Bread. I suggest you reread his post.

maybe this will stir up some interesting debates; its the pic of our WB Baggies bought 2+ years ago. As Darren mentioned above, its also surrounded in mystery as the owner was not even sure where it came from. To my knowledge, this is the only figure to have shown up on ebay like this. I am not trying to say its legit, but it is different and there was a "free action figure" promotional card inside the bag. It came with the maroon sword and axe like the Man-E-Weapons did. Also realize these weapons look to have come out at about the same time Man-E-Weapons did in 83. Just something to ponder.

It belongs to Imspidey. I have delt with the seller who sold it to Imspidey and the seller ripped me off. I bought a WB He-man from that seller and it was a fake, it was just a painted blonde He-man. I got my money back in the end, but through the process I found the seller to be a very dishonest person. The seller of this item sells items that are very rare and questionable in nature, he sold me a fake wb he-man, he has also sold commerative 5-packs that had errors that were very questionable, he also sold a Camo Kobra kahn which one could tell it was an obvious re-paint of a regular kobra kahn, and most recently he has sold 2 prototype swords which look like the types of swords one can make following He-bro's weapons repro directions. Those are just a few of the items of the top of my head. Imspidey says he has had no problems with him, but I found him to be very dishonest, when he sold me the fake wb he-man he changed his story every other day. The seller claims to know nothing about MOTU and yet is always bidding and buying very high price rare MOTU items. I'm surprised he didn't put the bagged WB He-man on ebay, he would have made a fortune since it appears these are the only 2 in existance.

I did some further checking on this guy on ebay and check this out. The seller that sold me the fake WB He-man and Imspidey are the same person. He was just defending himself all along. Well I guess that settles it is a fake. Looks like all he did is copy the fowlers paper from the wb he-man to make his own.

Darren and I was very skeptical about putting up the scan of the free offer card. We opened the figure up for many reasons but I think we did it for everyone to let them see exactly what it was. So much for being the nice guys. I guess in the end it has turned out to be the wrong thing to do. Well, Darren's site is down now so not too many people have copies of this thing. If they do, they have not received our expressed written permission to have it. Now we did the site to help out the He-man community to let them see what He-man stuff is out there. We did not do it to brag about this and that. Heck, many of those pics we had to get permission to do. That is why we put our name on the pic above. Some people have no honor or integrity what so ever. These people are scum; period. Oh, the figure did not have the maroon weapons in it. What's up with that? He needs to pay closer attention to detail if he is going to rip people off like he is doing. People are putting out more and more fake WB's out there due to the popularity He-man is having right now. If you bought your WB figure before 98, you should be safe. Buyers, pay heed to what you are buying if people like this actually exist.

That's the main reason I plan to make a custom WB He-Man for my collection. I can't afford to spend that much on a single figure, and there's too much risk of getting ripped with this one. It's really too bad.

It is indeed a pity that someone used your picture of the insert for nefarious purposes. i just want to express my appreciation again for posting the shot of your bagged mail away figure. It clearly settles the question of accessories. As such, it is invaluable info for othe collectors. Like I said, to you and your brother, thanks.

Yes, thanks for clearing everything up. I still can't beleive there are people out there that would do sneaky and conviving things like that just to make a quick buck. With those kinds of people, no wonder America is the way it is.

Have you ever shown the insert promotion paper in your Bagged WB He-man to a Barbie Collector or any other collector of some of the other toys in that mail away promotion paper? I was thinking maybe they would know more about that promotion paper than anyone else. I figure Barbie stuff is probably better documented since it has been collectable for many years now. So maybe a barbie collector can tell us from what promotion that paper comes from or even if they know about any other promotion in which a he-man/barbie might have been given away in the 1980's.