Monday, February 01, 2010

Old McDonald Had a Gun

He's the lead plaintiff in the McDonald v Chicago lawsuit that just might bring down Shortshank's draconian and unconstitutional gun laws:

"I know every day that I come out in the streets, the youngsters will shoot me as quick as they will a policeman," says McDonald, a trim man with a neat mustache and closely cropped gray hair. "They'll shoot a policeman as quick as they will any of their young gangbangers."

To defend himself, McDonald says, he needs a handgun. So, in April of 2008, the retired maintenance engineer agreed to serve as the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit challenging Chicago's 28-year-old handgun ban. Soon after, he walked into the Chicago Police Department and, as his attorneys had directed, applied for a .22-caliber Beretta pistol, setting the lawsuit into motion. When that case is argued before the U.S. Supreme Court on March 2, McDonald will become the public face of one of the most important Second Amendment cases in the nation's history.

And our two favorite comments following the story:

Nationally, the murder numbers/rate dropped from 16928/5.6 to 16272/5.4 from '07 to '08.

Illinois had a population of 12.85 million w/ a increased murder rate of 6.1/100K (790) in comparison to 5.9/100K last year.

Chicago had 22% of the population of Illinois yet accounted for 64.5% of murders w/ a per capita rate of 18/100K. an increase in murders both raw and per capita.

Cook County had 41% of the population of Illinois yet accounted for 73.9% of murders(584) w/ a per capita rate of 11.1/100K. It had a population drop yet an increase in murders due exclusively to Chicago.

The Cook County murders in raw number/per capita increased 11.9 and 11/1% respectively while arrest numbers and rates decreased compared to '07.

If Chicago were to fall into Lake Michigan, the Illinois murder rate would drop to 2.8 .

Were the rest of Cook County to follow suit, the rate would drop to 2.72 .

Yet instead we saw that increase. Now it's appearing that, in order to artificially reduce the murder rate from the disaster they saw in '08, they're increasingly classifying deaths as 'suicides'. All to continue to justify their ineffective gun ban.

Then there's the % of murders by types of weapons used, 2008:

Nationally: 66.9

Chicago: 80.8

Now tell me. Where are most guns restricted and/or banned? Where are they more common?

For those who think that overturning Chicago's gun ban is going to increase violence in the city, it might be informative for you to look at what happened last year in Washington, DC after their similar ban was overturned. We all heard their police chief and other politicians, as well as the Brady bunch fear mongers and their blind followers all predicting the same old lame "wild west" BS they've been trotting out every time a gun control law is overturned or even challenged. Well, just like every other single time, they were wrong. In 2009, the first full year without the ban, DC had the lowest murder rate the city has seen since 1964.

...Now it's appearing that, in order to artificially reduce the murder rate from the disaster they saw in '08, they're increasingly classifying deaths as 'suicides'. All to continue to justify their ineffective gun ban...

It also appears that "death investigations" are on the rise. After the final numbers are released at the end of the year, who will notice if they "reclassify" 60 death investigations from the previous year into homicides?? They should release the numbers as "homicides and pending death investigatiions", and see where that takes it!

Remember: don't vote for phony-baloney "Republican" candidates like Mark Kirk who strongly opposes the Second Amendment. He is no different from a Democrat. Mark Kirk favors arbitrary confiscation and regulation of firearms.

“In 2009, the first full year without the ban, DC had the lowest murder rate the city has seen since 1964.”

That says it all doesn’t it.

I think we’ve got a pretty good Supreme Court right now, they have been making some good sound decisions. This case is more then just about gun rights, it is also about how the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution applies the Bill of Rights to the States. I think the majority of the court is going to vote for our rights. This certainly will set back Obama and his fascist agenda.

Conceal and carry works... always has. An informed and well armed public would do wonders for this city. Justifiable homicide UCRs would rise and IR numbers would fall. I really hope this comes true. Just the idea makes me smile warmly. Granny, get your gun!

After being robbed 5times my son decided enough was enough...protected himself and was promptly arrested for carrying a concealed weapon. The bad guys still have their guns so my question is where is the justice in that???? im voting for McDonald tomorrow.

SCC is my hero...For supporting this cause. The beast is on notice, going into the wrong home will be a huge mistake. Model 10s do not jam. And you dont have to run to the closet to get them. 42 short is preparing the list of hoops to jump through for registration...

I'm all for lifting the ban, but i have to admit i am a little scared of a gun now legally being introduced into all these highly volitale and violent situations we are thrown into every day.

2/01/2010 12:29:00 AM

Either you are being sardonic or you cannot possibly be a police officer. Hint: the bad guys already have the guns. The good guys will be able to have them too if they lift the ban. Result---crime will go down after the first few shitheads get a surprise cap in their ass from someone they thought was helpless.

It seems if King Shortshanks looses his opposition to the court case and must abolish his arkaic gun laws, Is he afraid the CRAZY masses will come after him and the rest of the crooks at city hall. I wonder if the GOOD citizens had weapons years ago would they of stormed city hall and ran the Daley, Burke crime Family out!

This case is more then just about gun rights, it is also about how the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution applies the Bill of Rights to the States. I think the majority of the court is going to vote for our rights.___________________That is the point. It is a state's rights 14th Amendment Case. Daley and the antigun people are presenting an argument that supports the idea that the states could have had the right to disobey the Emancipation Proclamation and remained slave-holding states in 1864. Same logic.

What the DC people SAY has been important is that they've got a lot more tips coming in from the community. Notably, there's been a huge decline in Prince George's County, too, though Prince George's saw no change in their gun law.

And here, we've seen a huge change in public attitudes towards "snitching". Even Mary Mitchell, who you used to revile on a weekly basis, has written several columns in the last six months saying ending the culture of silence is critical. The department needs to get away from the "they're all potential murderers in that neighborhood" attitude expressed so often by commenters here, and start developing the trust that would help you get your job done.

I'm not a gun hater. I'd be fine with more limits on purchase, but I'd also be fine with overturning Chicago's ban. I just don't believe you that it helps much. There is a lot of evidence about what DOES help, but it mostly gets ignored in Chicago.

>"The community is giving us more information than ever," Lanier said. "They're used to seeing the same cop in the neighborhood every day. They feel comfortable. They have a connection to that officer. They know that officer isn't going to burn them."

A 70% case closing rate! Think what changes that would bring in Chicago! It'd do a lot more than changing the gun law.

citizens please remember, picketing a residence is against the law in chicago. so call 911 when the revs are protesting in front of your house for lighting up a homeboy. I'll gladly lock them up, the W/C will gladly RWOC them.

Are they still "killing crime"? With the long "death investigation"? Nothing changes,the bad guys will have guns no matter what,and the poor sheep will be preyed on as usual! The thing is the mayor has a fleet of armed guards (albeit they can't shoot straight), who are with him and his family 24/7 except for his "hero" son patrick still hiding out in russia due to all his crimes,but he was taught by the head criminal his dad!

People have a fundamental right to self defense. I too fear the day the ban is overturned and the floodgates open. The gun banners will have no one to blame but themselves for demonizing firearms and denying people access to training.

I, as a Chicago Police officer, believe I have nothing to fear from a law abiding citizen who carries a gun either in his home, on his land or on his person. A law abiding citizen is just that, a law abiding citizen. Only criminals need fear him.

SCC, can you please make a thread out of this? On Friday, I attended my regular traffic room. There was a off duty PO who was there as a complainant on a ticket because he was struck by a vehicle on the way to work and was injured. The civilian who struck the officer's car was represented by OUR FOP ATTORNEY Tom Needham. He knew all along the officer was CPD and continually tried to badger the officer to no avail. Is this not a conflict of interest? Does FOP know or care who they let represent us and then stab us in the back later on?? Has this happened to anyone else in the past??

1/31/2010 08:49:00 PM

How about PBPA attny Bob Kuzis defending a shitbag in trial, winning against the police, then defending the police down at IAD for the admin case on the same incident! How does that even come close to being acceptable?!?!?

"he walked into the Chicago Police Department and, as his attorneys had directed, applied for a .22-caliber Beretta pistol, setting the lawsuit into motion."

For non-police readers of the Chicago Tribune, the Chicago Police Department does not sell, rent, make available, nor dispense, firearms, of any kind, to citizens.

The Tribune's phrase should have read:

he walked into the Chicago Police Department HQ and AT THE GUN REGISTRATION DESK, as his attorneys had directed, SUBMITTED A GUN REGISTRATION APPLICATION for HIS .22-caliber Beretta pistol. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY OF CHICAGO'S ORDINANCE, THE APPLICATION WAS SUBSEQUENTLY REJECTED, THEREBY setting the lawsuit into motion.

VOTE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN IN ALL UPCOMING ELECTIONS. NO R.I.N.O.S.VOTE FOR ONLY PRO-SECOND AMENDMENT CANDIDATES ONLY, THE REST ARE R.I.N.O.S OR Liberals in disguise. Don't give up, the future of our great country depends on YOU.....

Well,situationally,I was working at a retail outlet when a couple from Missouri(where there IS a CONCEALED CARRY LAW) came in the store and the husband approached me. After the usual banter about the gun and the now famous Blue Grip(thanks SCC :) ) he produced his "carry permit". I asked if the man was carrying a weapon and he replied no and EVEN VOLUNTARILY OPENED HIS COAT FOR INSPECTION. We continued on with the conversation and what he said didnt surprise me at all. He stated that Gang crime and shootings HAVE GONE WAY DOWN since "they" "allowed" us to carry. The point here is that NO w wouldnt have locked the man up and yes given the proper training and concealment practices,this is a VERY GOOD THING. In response to the "im a little scared" comment,sure you have a right to be its your safety but remember not all people carrying guns are bad guys. Im sure the State will find a way of incorporating into the PDT system a way for you to determine if the person you have stopped is a CC permit owener. Good horse and street sense will also come into play as well. Most of us that arent the police and CARRY are more than willing to be compliant and keep YOUR safety in mind as well as ours.

OT: But looks like 42 Extra Short-AKA Shortshanks-is at it again! While bust out son of 42 Extra Short is hiding out in Russia to avoid prosecution that dear old daddy(Shanks), lil cousin Bobby Vanecko and bitch son Patrick made buying real estate around Washington Park thinking the Olympics were coming here the "KING CABBIE" in Chicago tells all in the Sun-Times. He said, "This deal done over bottle of vodka. Patrick good boy. Hold his liquor." I didn't know Shanks' and after school matters Shanks' wife Maggey let asshole son negotiate city matters in Russia over a bottle of VODKA!!!!!! Pat Fitz-WHERE ARE YOU?

"Anonymous said... Remember: don't vote for phony-baloney "Republican" candidates like Mark Kirk who strongly opposes the Second Amendment. He is no different from a Democrat. Mark Kirk favors arbitrary confiscation and regulation of firearms.

Off the topic but there was a devastating fire last night in the Edgebrook neighborhood on the northwest side where a Lutheran church was destroyed. Is the state and city going to step in and give that church 1MILLION dollars to rebuild like they did for a church in the Bronzeville neighborhood a few years ago. My guess is NOT! Why not should be the question by citizens from the upper class Edgebrook neighborhood.

Caution: The Following Message May Be Deemed As Too Sensitive For The Politically Naive. Democrats don't give a rats ass about you or any citizen being shot with a gun.Democrats know that their time of Bull Shiting The People Is Coming To An End.Do You Think They Want All Us People That They Have Bull Shited All These Years To Be Armed ????

Otis McDonald's public face sure looks good to the gun lobby. Is this true just because he's an articulate and responsible Chicago resident from Morgan Park and not another babbling gun nut from Mt. Greenwood? Close but not quite.

McDonald's race is critical to the lawsuit -- the 14th Amendment, adopted on July 9, 1868, prohibits any law that attempts to "abridge the privileges or immunities" of freedmen. Since he's the offspring of a black freedman, McDonald can only lend legitimacy to the Plaintiff's arguments.

to a "little scared". What makes you think that there are a few guns out there now? People who want a gun for whatever purpose WILL get a gun and bring it into the city. I believe that it will get better as it will all even out.

I do believe the reason for the Beretta is it is a cheap small gun that is banned by the unconstitutional law. I do suspect that the reason being is that it is not a "scarier" handgun and it makes the ban look even more silly.

Hopefully after this is finished we shall see a Concealed Carry Law passed in this state. I have already got my Glocks ready for carry. Unfortunatly I cannot carry here in my home state and do when I go out of state.

I can't wait for the handgun ban to be struck down. While they are at it, they should strike down the "scary military tactical assault weapons" ban, knife carry over 2.5" ban, stun gun ban, and others. Also for all of Illinois, we need right-carry-laws. We shouldn't have to get a license for our right to keep and bear arms.RKBA isn't about hunting, sports, or defending against gangbangers. It's something much heavier. This is about protecting our freedoms. Without the 2nd Amendment, we are not free!

Great post SCC. I love the stuperintendent talking about the murder rate is down. Just remember, figures can lie and liars can figure. And we all know this jerkoff is one of the slimiest, self centered, political blowjob hack liars around. He's an evil man. I suppose he and Daley belong together!

I'm all for lifting the ban, but i have to admit i am a little scared of a gun now legally being introduced into all these highly volitale and violent situations we are thrown into every day.

2/01/2010 12:29:00 AM_________________________________

It won't matter, just like it doesn't matter now. The fact that there are laws doesn't stop a gun from being introduced now so what change would there be? Most of the violent people wouldn't be able to legally obtain a gun anyway, yet they do obtain guns and use them. The people that abide by the laws now would continue to abide by the law and not pull it out unless in self defense or the protection of others.

I've run up on many a "legal" gun possessor while responding to calls of burglary in progress, suspicious persons in yards/alleys.In all cases of 'legal' gun possessors, it was a homeowner who had come out of their residence to check on the disturbance; some had the firearm directly in their hands, others had (attempted, at least) to discreetly conceal them under sweatshirts, robes, etc.In each instance, after checking them out (name checks are a must), I've always allowed them to return inside of their home with their protection of choice, sometimes to the consternation of other officers eager for a quick UUW pinch. These 'legal gun possessors have been people of the entire racial spectrum that resides in our once great City.I always caution the youngbloods who were ready to pounce on the 'easy pinch' that that person could be THEIR mother, father, brother, uncle, etc. Then what?I do beleive that once Shortshanks's law is repealed, that some sort of mandatory firearms education course become MANDATORY for the hordes who will rush to the gun shops and clean out the existing stock. Hopefully, what will be included in such a MANDATORY firearms education course (which the state could charge a $10/$15 fee, and rake in millions, which could go to our beleagered education system) will be a mandated affrimative response to law enforcement whereby should the police respond to a call and 'armed, concealed carry permit citizens' are present, they state that they are in fact armed, and produce these permits, in order to avoid becoming victims of gun violence themselves. Yes, we'll be on pins and needles for a while boys & girls in the LE community, but law enforcement agents do ok with citizens exercising concealed carry in other states, and with proper training on both sides, so can we. In any event, it's coming, and nothing Shortshanks can do will put this cow back in the barn now.

..........Good horse and street sense will also come into play as well. Most of us that arent the police and CARRY are more than willing to be compliant and keep YOUR safety in mind as well as ours.

I go to work everyday to provide a nice life for my family. Never been arrested, never been in any trouble. It is insane that some cowardly POS is able to jeporadize all of that because they don't give a s**t about me or anything else.I've been carrying about ten years now and thank God that I've never had to use it. The thought of not being able to protect or possibly loose one of my family members is unbearable.

I heard from my sources that an entrance exam for 2010 is looking like a certainty. It would happen eventually, but word is the type of applicants remaining from 2006 has only increased the resolve of the department. They're bad. BI's have been told to let certain discretions pass that ordinarily would be grounds for disqualification.

he walked into the Chicago Police Department HQ and AT THE GUN REGISTRATION DESK, as his attorneys had directed, SUBMITTED A GUN REGISTRATION APPLICATION for HIS .22-caliber Beretta pistol. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY OF CHICAGO'S ORDINANCE, THE APPLICATION WAS SUBSEQUENTLY REJECTED, THEREBY setting the lawsuit into motion.**************

thanks for that public service.

both papers in this town have a bunch of dim-witted morons working for them.all the breaking news stories appear to be written by a 10 year old.these pathetic newspapers cant do any better than that?

Anonymous said... down south everyone has a gun--- if the ban is overturned in chicago watch the city come up with an outrageous fee for the right to register a handgun here.....

2/01/2010 08:09:00 AM

That, too, would be a violation of the SCOTUS' Heller ruling as an unreasonable fee that prevents the exercise of a Constitutional right. The city would be setting itself up to be squashed by the courts, IMHO.

Not a cop, but my sentiments exactly vis-a-vis the permitting, fee and testing.

If there was concealed carry permitting in Chicago shootings would PLUNGE in the city.

Immediately, the odds versus citizen and shitbird would be 50/50 or better in favor of the citizen and you know shitbird knows it.

I had a consealed carry permit in PA for protection because my living required I visit some really, really shitty places.

I had to be interviewed by the Sheriff face-to-face. Seated on the other side of his desk he had me field strip my 1911. Then took me too the range and watched me shoot.

He asked me, "Son, when do you show that 45?" I replied, "Only under one circumstance -- when I'm prepared to use it."

I never had to expose it but there was more then one time when the predator, sometimes predators, bugged off sensing I was not defenseless prey.

I've had conversations with cops who feel they are in harms way enough as it is no matter what the circumstance and they don't get a warm fuzzy feeling having to worry about dialing-in the likelyhood of gunfire comming from some where other then where there attention is fixated -- on the shitbird.

I know I don't know what it's like to stand in a Blueshirts shoes but I truly believe, vetted, permitted citizens are an asset more then a detriment.

As has been already, mentioned the criminal element is already fully loaded.

Why on earth would politicians want concealed carry? Therein lies the possibility that they would have to purchase their own guns and no longer be guarded 24/7 by a highly skilled security force which we, the citizens, pay through the nose for. Who'd want to kill one of those useless douchebags anyway?

SCC, can you please make a thread out of this? On Friday, I attended my regular traffic room. There was a off duty PO who was there as a complainant on a ticket because he was struck by a vehicle on the way to work and was injured. The civilian who struck the officer's car was represented by OUR FOP ATTORNEY Tom Needham. He knew all along the officer was CPD and continually tried to badger the officer to no avail. Is this not a conflict of interest? Does FOP know or care who they let represent us and then stab us in the back later on?? Has this happened to anyone else in the past??

1/31/2010 08:49:00 PM

How about PBPA attny Bob Kuzis defending a shitbag in trial, winning against the police, then defending the police down at IAD for the admin case on the same incident! How does that even come close to being acceptable?!?!?

2/01/2010 11:15:00 AM

It is the same as a whore who will suck anyone's dick for the right amount of money.

I'm with McDonald on this one. More of us citizens TRAINED and LAWFULLY carrying firearms can only be better for everyone. You police have no problems because it is not the TRAINED and LAWFULLY armed citizen that is your adversary. It is the armed, UNTRAINED and ILLEGALLY armed citizen who IS your adversary. The same as always. Also, was at Mega Sports in Plainfield at 1400 on Sunday spending my Christmas gift certificate from the daughter. What the hell, I got the last parking spot in the lot. The place was packed!

CHICAGO (AP) — A Chicago alderman has pleaded guilty to bribery and tax fraud charges and resigned his seat.Isaac Carothers admitted Monday that he accepted $40,000 worth of home improvements from a developer in exchange for pushing a zoning change through the City Council.

Hours later, the 55-year-old Carothers submitted a letter resigning his post on the council, where he was the longtime chairman of the police and fire committee.

Prosecutors have agreed to a 28-month prison sentence as long as Carothers continues to cooperate with their investigation. That's well below federal sentencing guidelines.

-----

The question remains: Why was he allowed to continue in his position for so long?

Just posted today on www.rushlimbaugh.com and on Andrew Breitbart's www.biggovernment.com. Adam is a straight shooter and is determined to bring Illinois politics under control. Check him out at www.adamforgovenor.com. Poland's Lech Walesa spoke today about how our country is becoming socialist..he has also endorsed Adam...see Rush's web site.

You know what voting democratic has done for this city/state. It is time to give the conservative Republicans the opportunity to show what can be done.

...Hopefully, what will be included in such a MANDATORY firearms education course (which the state could charge a $10/$15 fee, and rake in millions, which could go to our beleagered education system) ...

Yes, we'll be on pins and needles for a while boys & girls in the LE community, but law enforcement agents do ok with citizens exercising concealed carry in other states, and with proper training on both sides, so can we.

2/01/2010 05:09:00 PM

Two points here:

#1 - there should be never be any state fees for a constitutional right. F*ck the "education system" you tax-happy j*goff

#2 - pins and needles? Lol, WTF are you talking about? Obviously you don't work the streets. Every individual, every encounter should be treated "as if" the person is armed. CC won't make one bit of difference in how I work.

I hope he wins..... Finally the average citizen will be able to protect themselves....... i was home in Shitcago last week, it was actually weird to me, not to see guns on people. In KY where i am now, everyone has at least one. We have OPEN CARRY here as well.... Rifles, shotguns, pistols you name it they have it....... People start talking guns at a party and about 20 are out on your kitchen island in seconds..... LOL..... Crime is down..... People know how to use them, hence their CCW classes are extensive here, field stripping, cleaning, and a decent course for non LEO's to shoot......

They won't be able to pick out the aged male returning home from his late job on public transportation......

They tried that with me on the Train. After disarming me which i had no issue with because it was in their safetys interest,they were going to effect arrest for UUW until...after MUCH PURPOSEFUL DELAY......VIOLA....FOID and TAN CARD...ooops no UUW PINCH FOR YOU HAIR GEL. Boy were they PISSED.I ran into the same CTA "tact team" the next day going to work (armed of course) looked at them dead in the eyes and laughed my ass off.Boy were they PISSED. A few months later when a rather highly intoxicated subject was fighting with the same Office on the Red Line in the tunnel,I jumped in and held the bad guy so he could be cuffed. When the hair gel recognized me Boy was he THANKFUL.We talk often and have become social. Point here is ARMED and NOT the police are not ALWAYS the bad guys.

Someone mentioned above about Police stopping cars with people with guns....... Most states with CCW and people who passed their CCW have it automatically put on their license plate number and drivers license. If you own a car, and have a CCW it is put on the system that you are a CCW carrier. HENCE.......When an Officer is running your plate, your plate will POP for a CCW holder. The Officer automatically knows that the occupant "could" be armed. KY has it and many other states do as well.

Officers here are use to running plates and approaching a vehicle with possible weapons in it. I know several. 99.9% of Officers agree there is never a problem......... I am sure it isn't pleasant to stop a car with a potential gun, but remember that gun may save your life from the average citizen on the street..

I think they did a great job with the tagging of the license and the license plate. Gives better Officer safety as well as a heads up while making a stop.

Mr. Daley...(and I use that very lightly)...my question is, "If the gun laws are working, then why do the bad guys have all the guns?" In fact, why am I at the mercy of the bad guy WHO has the gun and takes my hard earned possessions and my money and I have no way of protecting myself, let alone my family? Ohhh! I see! You mean, call the police, because they are only minutes away? Sure, no problem. Well....no more. NO MORE!! I have joined the NRA. Yes, sir. I joined not because I want to pack a gun. Well, I do, only to protect myself and family in the time of need, but more importantly, IT IS MY 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHT!! I support the nedd to conceal carry. I believe this will deter crime more then any gun laws you can put in the books. ANY! No why? Cause, I/We now can not only say, but show the bad guys that we are not afraid. NO MORE! You know, Mr. Daley, Hitler took all the guns away from the people of Germany and said to them, "You don't need these no more." And see how that all worked out? I'm sure that the Democrats already have plans to take away not only the 2nd, the 14th and the 1st. Why? CONTROL. Well...NO MORE. I want want my rights intacted. Just like they were intended to be. So, Mr. Daley and all the others....I want my guns and my God, because the government will NOT be there for me!

Illinois Gubernatorial Candidate and conservative Adam Andrzejewski rallied supporters in O’Fallon, Illinois this afternoon.It was a standing room only crowd.

While campaigning in O’Fallon the Andrzejewski team announced that Adam had just received the endorsement of the largest Chicago Polish paper today. And…. It was announced that Adam had surged to within two points in an internal poll conducted by a conservative organization in Washington DC. Andrzejewski was 8 points down earlier in the week in the Illinois race.

It may have been the endorsement by Lech Walesa that helped Andrzejewski surge in the latest polling. And this is despite the fact that the mainstream Chicago news mostly ignored Walesa’s historic endorsement.

Anonymous said...If the gun-law is ever lifted I would like to buy a nice handgun, small enough to conceal, but with a nice punch to knock someone's ass (if ever need it)Any recomendations (price is not an issue)

100% pro-Police

2/01/2010 07:05:00 PM

Charter Arms Bull Dog Pug revolver, inexpensive and packs a punch in .44 special very concealable. It worked well for the Son of Sam.

If the gun-law is ever lifted I would like to buy a nice handgun, small enough to conceal, but with a nice punch to knock someone's ass (if ever need it)Any recomendations (price is not an issue)100% pro-Police2/01/2010 07:05:00 PM

--

I suppose if you shoot them in the ass, just about any gun will "knock someone's ass."

...Hopefully, what will be included in such a MANDATORY firearms education course (which the state could charge a $10/$15 fee, and rake in millions, which could go to our beleagered education system) ...

Yes, we'll be on pins and needles for a while boys & girls in the LE community, but law enforcement agents do ok with citizens exercising concealed carry in other states, and with proper training on both sides, so can we.

2/01/2010 05:09:00 PM

Two points here:

#1 - there should be never be any state fees for a constitutional right. F*ck the "education system" you tax-happy j*goff

#2 - pins and needles? Lol, WTF are you talking about? Obviously you don't work the streets. Every individual, every encounter should be treated "as if" the person is armed. CC won't make one bit of difference in how I work.

Let us keep this in the perspective.We will not see concealed carry in Illinois, in our lifetime given the current politics here. Shortshanks having to eat the ban is one thing, concealed carry is a whole different animal. The police will continue to carry and unarmed citizens will continue to be killed and eaten by the beast. A few will risk the UUW charge to be safe, most will not. Most will tough it out with the most potent OC they can find, very sharp folding knives and an ASP baton here and there.

KMAs support concealed carry, and hair gel makes a pinch. If you pinch that "aging male riding home from his night job", you are a tool and an agent of the peoples republic of shitcago... Led by the xtra short dictator. Dont do it.Whe you take that cute little nickel-plated snubnose away from that aging citizen, you are setting him up to be strong-armed by the beast ! Do you really want to do that ? I didnt think so.

Someone mentioned above about Police stopping cars with people with guns....... Most states with CCW and people who passed their CCW have it automatically put on their license plate number and drivers license. If you own a car, and have a CCW it is put on the system that you are a CCW carrier. HENCE.......When an Officer is running your plate, your plate will POP for a CCW holder. The Officer automatically knows that the occupant "could" be armed. KY has it and many other states do as well.

Officers here are use to running plates and approaching a vehicle with possible weapons in it. I know several. 99.9% of Officers agree there is never a problem......... I am sure it isn't pleasant to stop a car with a potential gun, but remember that gun may save your life from the average citizen on the street..

I think they did a great job with the tagging of the license and the license plate. Gives better Officer safety as well as a heads up while making a stop.

2/02/2010 02:33:00 AM

This doesn't bode well for me, a non-cop law-abiding gun owner. I don't like the idea of a database listing that I may be armed. While this makes sense for the police, and I'd be in favor of it for just that purpose only, I don't trust the state to maintain the security of those records. I don't even like the fact that the gun I keep in the city is registered.

In many states it's a felony if you have a CCW and fail to disclose a weapon in the presence of an officer. Law-abiding citizens know this, and comply willingly without the need of databases.

I was stopped last april on 90 for a tinted plate cover (I was actually speeding but I think the ISP gave me a break). I got a warning but my car wouldn't start back up. I had a jump box in the trunk since I was on my way to WI, and he saw my gun case(s). I went back to thank him for turning his lights on while I got my ride started (to keep traffic from being so close to me as I was pulled over on the shoulder), and he asked me what was in the cases. I told him "My guns! Wanna see my FOID card?"

"No, that won't be necessary."

Why? Because I'm not a shitbird. Even though IL law doesn't require disclosure of what's in my trunk..he happened to see it, and I told him honestly. I have nothing to hide. Had he been a semi-asshole about it and insisted on inspecting them for being unloaded, properly cased, and me having a FOID card..I don't think I would have been that pissed about it either other than losing a few more minutes of daylight to make my journey. He's doing his job, and I think skeptical people will find that law-abiding and armed citizens are always willing to accommodate the police.

Carrying a gun is a big responsibility...for you and us. We know that (I have my PA license for out-of-state carry). It's both a very important right, as well as a dangerous one if not treated with respect. I'm looking forward to being able to be armed to protect myself and others - including you - should the situation arise (although I hope it never does).

I don't know about Chicago, but a LOT of people farther south in Illinois are carrying regardless of the law, and I'm not talking about criminals (other than violating an unconstitutional law). Mostly the cops leave them alone. In some communities where the police are known to be less than honorable, the police leave gun carriers alone because they know they will shoot back. (Don't deny it; the police department in my home town had a large number of officers busted for running a cocaine ring back in the 80s.)

Changing the laws or invalidating the Chicago ordinance won't change any of that. The people down there will not allow their liberties to be violated even now. They will not apply for permits or pay for training. I encourage Chicagoans to do the same.

I say, let Mr. McDonald carrying his gun, then when Pooky goes to stick the old guy up, Bam, Pooky will be on his way to the BURR OAKS CEMETARY and Mr. McDonald can be on his way, I don't have a problem woth Carry Concealed Law, Because every State with it has a lower crime rate then we do. Screw Pooky & the Thugs

After being robbed 5times my son decided enough was enough...protected himself and was promptly arrested for carrying a concealed weapon. The bad guys still have their guns so my question is where is the justice in that???? im voting for McDonald tomorrow.

----

He;s not running for anything.

And I don't think this case has anything to do with concealed carry whatsoever.