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Tuesday, March 18, 2014

One of the tenets of Scientology is that no current member can talk to someone who is no longer a member of Scientology. It is why Tom Cruise cannot really speak to Suri Cruise or at least has to not let anyone know he is. It is why families break up and never see or speak to each other again. It is why Nicole Kidman never saw her kids after her split with Tom Cruise. Sure, there might have been a meeting or two, but lets face it, did we ever see them together? Connor Cruise told an Australian magazine that he has a solid relationship with his mother and that he doesn't care what anyone says. It got me to wondering whether Connor is not really sure about the whole Scientology thing. He says that he visited Nicole while he was in Australia. The reason that has always been given for Nicole not spending any time with her kids is they lived in LA and she didn't. You know, because she is never in LA and there is no such thing as an airplane. I wonder how much of the interview is real. I wonder why Connor waited until he went to Australia to see his mom instead of the million times she has been in LA in the past year. Maybe they needed to keep it a secret. Meanwhile all the other Scientologists who have left would like to speak to their kids too.

@Bacon Ranch: He would lie because in Co$, it's okay to lie to wogs. KSW, Fair game and all. Joe Childs of the Tampa Bay Times just released a great investigative report on disconnection in Co$, and this from Connor Cruise is just some very ineffective PR to counter that.

I will always wonder why Nicole never put up a fight for those kids I mean don't tell me she doesn't have the resources. We're not talking about someone who was poor here and Rupert Murdoch was one of her closest friends.

The kid is lying. Nicole is a PR whore, she wouldn't miss a chance to get papped with Connor and the other kid (Isabella or something like that). Look at how often Ice Lady gets snapped doing the school run with her Urban kids, but is never seen with the Cruise kids. There's never any pics because the CoS doesn't allow people inside the church to see family members that have left the church, and these shit for brains disciples go along with it because they have shit for brains. Also, Nicole probably doesn't really give a fuck about Connor and the girl, because if she did, there is no fucking way a loving mother can be kept from her children

do you guys remember that blind about how an actress dated an insane, robotic, workaholic, control freak actor? and how we all guessed nicole and tom?

maybe he brainwashed her into following his rules as far as "these are my kids now" etc... you never know. if he had the effect that he is rumored to have had, he might have been pretty powerful in custody negotiations (private ones, not ones in the court)

I think the COS is just getting so much bad press that now they're trying to put out all these "see look how normal we are" stories, that are all probably garbage.

Do I think they might occassionally talk to her, get together for a coffee once every few years? Do I think she probably sends a card on their birthdays? Sure. Maybe. Because frankly I doubt that the regular people rules of COS really apply to rich famous people. But do I think she is in any way their mother? Do I think they go stay with her for 3 weeks in the summer, and a week over Christmas, or anything like that? No, definitely not.

Nope, don't believe it. It's naive to think the C of S is going to enforce its nuttiest rules with it's most important and PUBLIC members. I know for a fact the rules don''t apply to the Presleys, for instance. And the C of S needs Tom Cruise more than he needs them, that's for sure.

So I think if Connor wanted to reestablish a connection with Nicole, no one would stop him, not even Tom.

I generally give celebs a wide berth when it comes to their families b/c 1.) it's really none of our business and 2.) it's most cases it's just not fair to judge *most* other parents (abusers should burn in hell, though, for instance).

All that to say, I think there are reasons (maybe not "great" ones) for Nicole to have basically ceded her parental involvement. For starters, who knows if she was being black-mailed. Remember when her and Tom split and it came out that she had miscarried (can't remember if right before or after) and then a rumor kind of sort of started up that maybe it wasn't Tom's kid? I wonder if Co$ put it out just to demonstrate to Nicole that putting up a fight meant they would destroy her reputation.

Then you toss in the career she has had since the split. Perhaps it was a consolation prize. (I don't know, just guessing here.) So they've intimidated her but at the same time said, "Here, Tom will help ensure you keep getting roles." At least it keeps her working and she hasn't been labeled a cheater. After all, remember how Meg Ryan's career imploded b/c she had had enough of Dennis running around on her for *years* but she still looked like the "bad" guy?

Maybe, on top of that, in her head she thinks, "I'll bide my time until the kids are over 18 and then they will be free! And I'll still have my career in the meantime."

No one but her, Tom and the kids really knows what happened or what the relationship is like. I'm just spit-balling here. My point is, there are many reasons for ALL parties involved to lie. But I can't automatically conclude that Kidman just abandoned her kids or doesn't feel tremendous guilt. For all I know, she has a voodoo doll of Cruise that she stabs every night while she waits for Connor or Isabella to maybe, finally pick up the phone and tell her they miss her.

Kidman was regularly seen with her kids up until Urban went into rehab. The last time Connor was seen in Australia (or anywhere) with Kidman was when she was filming "Australia". Kidman's parents recently celebrated their wedding anniversary with a big celebration over there. If there was a relationship between Kidman and Connor, why didn't Connor attend the festivities with his mom? There are a ton of Twitter sightings of the Urban family, but never with Connor present. Who needs paps to take pictures these days - all you need is a cell phone and a Twitter account. This is PR BS from Camp Kidman.

I thought what happened was Nicole had primary custody from the divorce until she married Urban and he went to rehab. That was when Tommy swooped in and took the kids, because he didn't want them around Keith. Nicole agreed (Keith was struggling with his addictions) and the cos brainwashing to freeze out Nicole began.

"Kidman was regularly seen with her kids up until Urban went into rehab."

Are you talking about Conor and Isabella? Because Keith went to rehab in October 2006, and they had just gotten married in June so Sunday and Faith weren't born yet.

I always found that interesting...married in July, in rehab by October? (And yes, we know that this wasn't his first trip.) I have a few theories on them, actually, but overall I think theirs is a real marriage and they're both decent types.

Tom was a huge mega star back then, and Xenu was very, very powerful and scary back then.

And I think she was the one who made sure the kids weren't pimped out. Also the media was a totally different beast back them as well.

Remember everyone was shocked that Tommy totally pimped out baby Suri, because Connor and Issabella were on media lockdown?

I think what helped Katie was 1)her Dad making sure there was an out and 2) Tommy's bizarre actions and peoples long memory and 3) really bad press for Xenu at the time. Kinda like a perfect storm, she jumped at the right time.

I think whoever said he's lying b/c it's ok to lie to Wogs is on to something. Nicole has said that her children "choose" not to have a relationship with her. However did Connor just turn 18? Maybe this is him starting to have the freedom to talk to her? But in all likelihood it's a PR stunt for COS.

I think whoever said he's lying b/c it's ok to lie to Wogs is on to something. Nicole has said that her children "choose" not to have a relationship with her. However did Connor just turn 18? Maybe this is him starting to have the freedom to talk to her? But in all likelihood it's a PR stunt for COS.

Maybe she was trying not to tear the kids in two. My brother had two children, a girl & a boy. He split with the mother when she was pregnant with the boy. While he was alive I made offer after offer to help him get visitation to see his children. My father had parked outside of her house in order to see his grandchildren. My dad, as the grandfather, could have fought for the right to see them (aunts have no such rights), but then you are talking court, money & no consequences for the mother if she doesn't allow court ordered visitation. You also drag the kids through hell. Even with my brother dying last year, my dad & I still don't get to see the children. Sometimes walking away makes you the bigger person. I believe when my niece is older she will appear on my doorstep, & I have a whole container of her dad's stuff waiting for her when she does.

Connor was in Australia a couple of weeks ago doing DJ gigs so he's been here since she filmed 'Australia, however Nicole was not in the country a couple of weeks ago. THIS s the major hole in his story as Nicole lives in Nashville permanently and maintains residences in Sydney and Bowral here. It's always a shit storms of Papp photos when she is here and the press would have made a VERY big deal out of tailing both her and Conno rrto see if a meet up happened. As it was his visit was pretty low key....

I've only met a few A list celebs, BUT, I have had very In depth conversations with Nicole and she is shy, very shy...Keith is extremely protective and so hot! Nicole is so much smaller in person though. The first time we met, her hair was curly, no makeup and very unassuming. She isn't a cold bitch as I always thought. I didn't care for her much until I met her. No, not paid for this comment either... They don't have bodyguards daily and she gave birth in a regular hospital.

Not the only one. I think she was blindsided by the divorce and screwed over on the custody. I know from reading Marty Rathbun that her kids were programmed against her by Co$. I hope she and Keith are happy and enjoying their children.

Feraltart got this one. I belong to a stepmothers' message board. Never underestimate a vicious ex-spouse. The lengths some will go to carry out their vendettas shocked even jaded step veterans. Toss in that crazy church and it's easy to see how GMD cut off Nicole from the kids.

Feraltart, your story breaks my heart. I'm on both sides of divorce. I have a great relationship with my ex (took a few years) and his wife is amazing! She's great to my kid and we are all family. I've also been the stepmom with a whacky ex wife with a vendetta. Those types make life hell for everyone. If there's a way to make amends while the kids are underage, then always try. But, sometimes walking away is the best for the kids so they aren't damaged even further. It takes more love to do what you've had to do. I've lived it. Smooches to your fam. I'm sorry abt your bro.

@nomnom83 I remember the whole pregnancy thing...it was right after they split and she did have a paternity test that proved that Tom was the father of the child which opens up a whole different set of questions but I did read this and thought how horrible it must have been for her to have to go through all of that at once...no matter who you are, that sucks.

I saw a really nice story on twitter about her. Apparently she was in a kid's dance class with her kid. I follow a fan twitter of hers and they're always retweeting messages from people seeing them in Nashville. (In church, diners and stuff) Real sweet life she has.

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