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All the benchmarks I have been seeing are tha p4 kicking the Athlon Xp (well, no, just from 0-20%). Then I noticed that tha P4s were wit R800 Ram and R1080 Ram while the Athlon Xps were using DDr-SDRAM. So that means if both were using DDR-DRAM, then the Athlon Xp would win over any P4?

One more thing, which has a better FSB? A year ago when i got this piece of crap (compared to today ), between a Athlon tm 1.2Ghz and a p4 1.7 Ghz ($1200 to $3000), the sales person said that the athlon has a 266 FSB and the p4 400 fsb. Yet he said that the p4 only runs under a single pump. Now I been reading that 2day p4 r running quadpumps to get the 400 and 533 FSBs. Is the Athlon Xp still runnin under 266 and which is better?

All in all to sum it up...Which chip would perform better wit DDR-SDRAM (Im not overclockin tha cpu)

With the Intel solution, you'll be able to make better use of that RAM. On the other hand, the Athlon board will allow you more tweaking power on the RAM when you run it at 266MHz, and I'm not talking about any overclocking either.

Clock for clock the Athlon is generally faster, and that's what I would advise.

That Asus (Athlon) uses the nForce chipset, which has a dual-bank memory system. If you go that route, be sure to buy 2 128MB sticks of RAM to get the best bandwith.

The second thing, if you go with the Athlon system, that board has good on-board audio, so you can toss the idea of getting the Live. If you go with the Intel solution, the Live! isn't the best card you could spend your money on. Two good (and better sounding) alternatives are the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz and the Hercules Fortissimo II.

The last thing I'll add is regarding your cooling. Are you buying the CPU boxed or OEM? The reason I'm asking is because if you buy OEM, you'll need to purchase a separate fan for the CPU.

The coolers that are packed with the boxed Athlons are only just adequate for standard operating conditions going to an OEM Athlon and getting a good copper HSF (Volcano 7+ or better) would be much better unless you live in a temperature controlled enviroment. :smokin:
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Alpha PAL8045 or the ThermalRight AX-7 are very fine heatsinks to keep any Athlon CPU nice and cool.

Theyll cost you more, however. Remember- the Boxed Athlon comes with 3 years warranty. Cost difference between Boxed and Tray CPU is something in the vicinity of, say, 10buks. Well worth the money for 3years warranty as opposed to one.

an XP 2100+ will easily outperform a p4 2GHZ in multimedia and arithmetic CPU tests. The only reason you see higher benchmarks from the p4 is because it is using PC800RDRam as opposed to PC2100 or 2700DDR, which is stupid really since the two systems are not equally matched. If you see a benchmark of an XP 2000+ against a P4 2GHZ bothing using PC2700DDR, then you will see that the athlon XP disposes of the P4 very easily.

R RAM is too expensive and looks to me that is isnt going to have much of a future cuz Intel is dumpin Rambus. Anyway, Im going tha DDR way.

It also seems to me that if I want to upgrade in teh future its easier to upgrade for tha P4 instead of the AMD. I heard that P4 will be stickin wit the 478 socket for 1-1/2 years while AMD will be releasing Baron and Clawhammer in .5-1 year which will be on totally different sockets.

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