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Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Sun, 02 Aug 2015 20:23:52 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: arley862014http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/28/could-women-play-major-league-baseball-sure-right-now-though-the-deck-is-stacked-against-them/comment-page-2/#comment-955748
Sun, 02 Aug 2015 06:52:24 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-955748The day womens are physically stronger, have more endurance, more speed, etc depending on the sport (speaking in general, soccer, football (oh god not that one) etc) than an average male, sure, thats when they will get the opportunity to take a male spot, you can call me sexist all you want, but its called MAJOR LEAGUE for a reason.
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Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:49:02 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-937871“on whether women could play major league baseball: sure, probably. I don’t know nearly enough about scouting and player development and physiology to say with any kind of certainty if a woman could do it.”

This guy is an absolute moron. ‘Sure I think women could do it….or course I don’t know what I am talking about, but why not just talk out of my hind quarters’

Let me settle this for you. I played baseball at various levels. There is no chance for women to have any real success in baseball at the MLB level. Strength and speed are critical to success on the diamond, and women do not have enough of either. Not even close. Even a freak of nature woman would be nothing more than a publicity stunt. Most women lack the strength to generate the bat speed to get the hitting surface through the zone of a regulation wood bat in time to touch a MLB fastball. Why do you think softball bats are so light?

Pitching? ‘Oh, there could be a girl that could throw a knuckeball and dominate, blah, blah, blah. Stop it. First of all, the idiot writing this article says it like throwing a knuckleball is like chewing gum. There have been all of a handful of successful knuckleballers in the history of baseball. It is an incredibly difficult pitch to master and requires large hands – guess what most women don’t have? Lastly, and read this point carefully…MLB knuckleballers throw their knuckleball with more velocity than most women can throw at all. Its questionable whether a woman could even get a knuckeball to the plate. Also, without some kind of fastball to keep the hitters honest, that 35 MPH knuckler would end up in the bleachers.

That girl that played NCAA baseball recently? Julie something or other. She hit .074. For those of you that don’t know, that is really, really bad. Like time to find a new hobby bad. The girl pitching in NCAA division 3 for some no name school? Her numbers were not horrific, but still pretty bad and let’s be honest; good high school teams can beat up some of these division 3 colleges. That said, she does not have the skillset to pitch at a high level. She throws softly and has not command of her pitches (9 walks in 20 innings).

People that think this is a great idea are delusional and have never play competitive baseball and don’t realize the physical side to the game. A 95 MPH fastball looks like it is shot from a cannon. The bat speed needed to hit it is tremendous. That’s why men, who are in great physical shape are done at age 40. Women that are big and strong? They are usual 5’8 135 lbs. I am 5’8 180 pounds and I am a small player with average pop. Its just simple physics people.

Stop trying to mix women in with men in competitive sports that require strength and speed. Nothing good will come of it. Hockey, Football, Basketball, Baseball….not gonna happen. Even the golf experiment a few years ago was a failure when the girl did not even make the cut when she tried to play with the men.

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Thu, 25 Dec 2014 01:03:15 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-839775I dont understand this–Almost all of these post are against women–Did any of these guys ever play organized baseball?-I did and for 27yrs–1971 to 1998–I played with many many very good women players–there was a reason no scout would comment==they knew but wouldnt or couldnt say–I remember on a Johnny Carson show episode a woman who pitched FAST pitch softball struck out Mickey Mantle- Willie Mays and Hank Aaron all made excuses and all said she was fantastic–THAT was in the late 70s–A woman will be playing MLB someday count on it
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Thu, 25 Dec 2014 00:56:23 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-839774I guess you never played any organized Baseball–I played with many who were very good players
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Thu, 25 Dec 2014 00:54:34 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-839773I played semipro 27 yrs–there were many women I played with who were good enough–Thos that argue didnt play the game or ARE sexist–Why do you think no scout gave his opinion?
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Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:01:25 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-770349But should baseball do anything active to attract girls to play it? Will it help baseball to have an active avenue for girls to become the best baseball players they can? As a member of the culture I don’t care what sports are popular, but as a fan of one sport or another I feel like it makes them more popular to have more kids playing them.
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Sat, 30 Aug 2014 06:22:24 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-769007Histori, what don’t you get, yes many women can run faster than guys in mlb but what else can they do. They can’t hit or field like them. It’s a combination of skills vs what skills you lack and can you be an asset to a team. riding horses, driving cars,pool,fishing,billards etc. are not sports but activities and or events that take some special skill but so does being a tailor or a carpenter or sailing a boatetc. but those skills don’t translate to any sports in any way. Have you ever actually played any real sports? You are mostly born with the ability to throw a ball 90-95 mph you don’t lift weights to go from 80mpr to 95mph. I think some day a women might be able to be a kicker in football but guy”s legs are stronger so it is tough because weight lifting only helps a little in things like throwing and kicking and guys have access to the same training as the women so it is negated. A women knuckle baller maybe and there is a little girl who plays little league who is coached by a former mlb pitcher who is un-hitable right now. But to play pro sports it takes a combination of size,speed,quickness,length,hand size,jumping ability,weight etc. Not all of those in one player but enough of them to make them an asset or carve out a niche in a sport. Women in general start way behind men in all of those things and training can only mitigate it so much because men can train also. There are thousands of basketball players who compete with the pros at summer league games all over the world, but for what ever reason they can’t make it because They’re only so many spot on pro teams. Some guys shoot better than pros but are to slow or short to be able to get an open shot and they can’t defend anybody etc. Some guys that have a koby like size and body can’t shoot or handle the ball good enough etc. This is not taking into account the mental aspect and the work ethic in combination with the physical side of things.Cherry picking one thing like speed doesn’t work.
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Sat, 30 Aug 2014 05:46:03 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-769002KevinS stop with the equestrian stuff, it’s not a sport anymore than chess is. If anything the horse is the athlete not the rider even if it might be tough to hang on, so is a bull riding machine in a bar, is that a sport? Women can, a little bit, compete with men in bowling which is barely a sport, because they can be as accurate as a man but over the long haul men throw it harder and with more revolutions which gives them more power to mix up the pins even when they don’t hit the pocket accurately.This gives them a huge advantage over women because she has to be more perfect more often because of the lack of comparable speed and rotation which creates power. In a given tournament if a women can get hot she could and i believe have won a men’s tourn.But that is rare because you have to win many rounds to get to the finals to win a tourny.
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Sat, 30 Aug 2014 05:28:10 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-769000Please stop, equestrian is a event or a competition not a sport. if anybody is an athlete in equestrian it is the horse not the person riding which is a hard activity just like coal mining is a hard activity but not a sport. The same with auto racing, my sister says but but but it’s over one hundred degrees in the car and it’s hard etc. Well building houses in the desert is 100 degrees and is more physically demanding that riding a horse so is construction work now a sport? To play in mlb you could be non-athletic and slow but can hit 40 home runs and dh or hide you at first base and you can be an asset. If you have no power you have to be able to either be able to put the bat on the ball and get hits in high numbers and field just enough to not kill your team. Or have some combination of speed,quickness fielding ability, arm strength and hit just enough that you don’t kill your team. Or throw 90-95 mph and or be able to throw many different pitches that make the ball hard to hit. It’s a combination of things you can do vs what you can’t do that is the difference in playing pro sports. Manute bol could do nothing better than me on a basketball court except be 7’6″ and long and carve out a niche because of that. The many reasons that millions of men can’t make it to the pro level are present for women even though there millions of men bb players who can play better than any women on the planet. Womens starting point is mostly behind men in general because of size,speed,strength,length,quickness,hand size,weight etc. and or a combination of those things. There are women sprinters in the world who are faster than some wide outs or d-backs in football but they don’t have the hands or the weight and strength etc. to take the hits etc. Yes they can weight train etc. put the men they have to compete against have access to the same training Plus testosterone.If you put a wnba player on the court with nba players and throw her the ball in the corner she could knock down the shot just like i could, but who could she cover or box out or out rebound or create space to get herself an open shot when the guy covering her is 6’5″ -6’7″ etc. and is faster and longer and stronger than her? She has to take 2 strides to cover the same ground and one for the nba player etc.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:41:56 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768667Has anyone here ever heard of genetics? Women simply aren’t fast enough, strong enough, or athletic enough to compete with men. Period. Sorry to break the news to you. The worst mens college basketball team in division 1 ranked 300th would beat the #1 womens basketball team by 100. The #200 mens tennis player would beat serena williams 6-0, 6-0. It’s just simple science. Bigger, stronger, faster. do you think your house cat can out run a cheetah too?
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:17:30 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768631You mean like Josh Gibson did?
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 17:26:14 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768574This is undoubtedly one of the dumber articles to appear on Hardball Talk. No, women cannot play MLB.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:27:49 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768475I came here just to read the comments.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:24:10 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768473Articulate and informative, amazing what a real professional scribe can add to a story. The countdown commences on the inevitable character assassination levied in a future article.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:58:03 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768394I generally like Craig Calcaterra’s work, but I’m disappointed to see him give Jack Moore’s piece any kind of serious credence here.

While Moore tries to build an historical case for why women have proven they can play with men, I agree with Rob Neyer that he makes an “ahistorical” conclusion — that only if the veil of sexism in baseball were lifted, there might someday be a female major leaguer. There’s no historical reason to believe any of that, despite Moore’s protestations.

This also ignores the best sports science that is available now and its some very dubious wishful thinking that doesn’t help the cause of females in baseball. Or any other sport.

At the peak of her magnificent golfing career, Annika Sorenstam was very realistic as she played in the PGA Colonial event in 2003. If not for a few birdies — length wasn’t really the issue — she might have made the cut. Instead, what she saw was that men in a non-contact sport like golf can use their physical superiority to get themselves out of trouble — bunkers, fairway rough, getting up and down around the greens, etc., — in ways that most women, including her, cannot.

There is nothing that’s preventing girls from playing baseball now; it’s just that there’s not enough interest to form all-girls teams in sufficient numbers. Mo’Ne Davis pitched in the Little League World Series, but the boys she’s been playing with, and against, are about to hit puberty. Having covered girls and women’s sports for years, I can tell you many of them tend to play what their female friends are playing.

Davis is an anomaly whose exploits should be applauded, but even she is under no delusions about what the future holds for her. Her top sports goal is to play for UConn’s championship women’s basketball team, and that’s no small goal at all.

I also disagree with Craig about Emma Span’s piece in the NYT — she channels the mournful conclusions of author Jennifer Ring about girls being “steered away” from baseball even today. It’s not as simple as that. Girls have been steered away, and also banished, from many sports that they are playing today in great numbers thanks to Title IX. Those sports include, but are not limited to, softball, which Span and others like her seem to disdain. If not for softball, goes the thinking, then perhaps many of those girls would be playing baseball.

But the groundswell of interest in sports like soccer and lacrosse in more recent years among young girls, and their greater inclusion in high school and college programs, indicates that girls are choosing the sports they want to play, and baseball is not one of them.

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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:57:42 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768393Historiophiliac won’t dipute what you’ve written for two reasons:
1. It appears, from your screen name, that you’re female
2. What you’ve written is spot-on accurate
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:34:53 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768370Muggsy Bogues had a solid NBA career at 5’3″, so size can be overcome. Besides, in those other sports you mentioned size plays a much greater role than it does in baseball, whether for positioning (soccer, basketball) or because it’s a contact sport (hockey).

Granted the odds of finding someone talented and determined enough to become an everyday player are very slim, so I agree that we’re most likely talking about a reliever or utility player, especially in the short to medium term.

Still, I believe the biggest hurdle a woman player faces is institutional, not physical (though let’s not kid ourselves, the physical hurdles are significant).

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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:23:01 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768353You do realize, I hope, that “Frenchy” and Drew are phenomenal athletes who have reached the apex of their chosen profession.

I’ll say the following without an ounce of gender bias: There is no way a woman could ever compete at the major league level.

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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:32:46 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768330That is highly speculative. Women play basketball, hockey, and soccer. There is no way the best female player could earn a roster spot in the NBA, EPL, or NHL. In fact, there is no chance a woman could earn a spot on a team in the AHL, D-Leage, or MLS…the physical gap is just too big.

Really, the most likely chance is that a woman could be a relief pitcher….but even RPs are almost all failed starters, few enter proball as pure relievers.

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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:44:13 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768272If and when the first female player arrives in the show (which I am all for- talented players are talented players), I eagerly await your comments the first time one is accidentally HBPIT…insert sensitive area here.You certainly won’t rip a commenter if they carry on with jokes about that all day, right? And if she is considered by many to be attractive, men can call her Beautiful Brad, er, Barbara, right? I generally like your comments and admit that I am not a frequent commenter. Bust, based on comments in the past, I pity the first male who makes a HBPIT…wherever comment, should females in MLB come to fruition.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:44:02 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768271Except none of those sports are really a very good comparison for baseball. Baseball players don’t have to physically match their opponent in many cases, unlike all of those sports. When a batter faces a pitcher, it doesn’t matter who the better athlete is, just like whether a 2B being able to throw out a batter is not dependent on whether they are a better athlete.

Yes, the best male athletes are better than the best female athletes. However, baseball players are not the best male athletes in the world. They are all very athletic, but their specific skill sets are much more important. Pretty much every defensive end in the NFL is bigger, faster, stronger, and more agile than Miguel Cabrera by a significant margin, but since they can’t hit a baseball at an elite level all that athleticism is useless to a MLB team.

There are plenty of women athletic enough to be professional baseball players, but none of them have enough experience to have developed the elite pitching or hitting skills necessary to make a team.

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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:32:54 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768269Perhaps not in the history of the internet, but in my lifetime Craig is the most successful troll I have ever seen.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:28:12 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768268Because it has been so easy to find a new male Greg Maddux. Yep, it is not hard to find first-ballot hall of famers.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:24:59 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768266There aren’t any players in MLB that could win the 100 m NCAA championship either. There are probably less than a handful that could even make a case to be on an elite NCAA track team.

The biggest, strongest, and fastest athletes are not necessarily the best baseball players. Baseball players must have lots of skills, but on average they are probably the least athletic of the major sports. There are lots of female athletes that match or exceed the athletic ability of an average MLB player. I’m not sure if there is a women out there now that could make a roster next season, but if enough girls played baseball from when they were kids through college, you’d start seeing some women in MLB.

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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 05:08:52 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768262Well, I’ll get past all of your nonsense (feels good to hug it out eh).

“I absolutely think if someone says woman absolutely could not play as a product of the culture we have fostered.”

The article specifically is about women playing MLB. You seem to want to make it broader. Yes, women can play baseball. As far as I know there are no laws preventing them from playing. But “culture” did not “foster” science. The best women are not physically able to play to the same standards as the best men. Evolution may even things out someday.

“There are women in this world with all the physical tools to play Baseball, yet we have created a society that says girls don’t play baseball, they play softball”

There is nothing, created by society, stopping every female softball team from switching to baseball tomorrow. Of course, that depends on the actual amount of women with that desire.

“and that is inherently sexist.”

You are blatantly changing the parameters of the article and your posts looking to be able to label something/someone “sexist”. You arrived at your desired destination.

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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 04:54:06 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768259Point taken, I should have probably checked that before spouting off. Still, the broader point stands, even if we just limit it to the Major League rosters, there’s no way there is not at least one woman out there with the talent to fill one of those 700+ spots, even if she’d be a long way, experience-wise, from being ready right now.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 04:15:32 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768253What Craig said was the opposite of unhistorical. As for your points, so, so, so much wrong there, and if you think there are “very few societal taboos holding women back,” you didn’t read all the comments on this post.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 04:10:04 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768252Well getting past your first little bit of nonsense. I absolutely think if someone says woman absolutely could not play as a product of the culture we have fostered. There are women in this world with all the physical tools to play Baseball, yet we have created a society that says girls don’t play baseball, they play softball, and that is inherently sexist.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 04:00:53 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768250Very well put.
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Fri, 29 Aug 2014 03:58:52 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=535514#comment-768249why is it controversial?
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