So, they've finally found Terminus last night. The place didn't look right to me at all. There were no people anywhere and they had to wonder for minute to find somebody and when they did it was a lady standing behind a grill. Do the other survivors just stay inside the building's or is this group the first to arrive? You can tell right away that something is off with this place.

My first guess was the group is the maybe the first to arrive. But then the robotic-sounding voice in the next episode preview makes it seem odd.

I'm just wondering if there will be quarrel between the sub-groups for long, or will Glenn's group with Eugene, Daryl's new pseudo biker gang, Rick's trio, and Tyrese and Carol (who themselves settled differences) put all their differences aside and form one, giant, conglomerate, badass super team, culminating in a season 5 story arc called "Terminus is evil and fucking shit up, and it's time for the zombie justice league to take it down!!"

My first guess was the group is the maybe the first to arrive. But then the robotic-sounding voice in the next episode preview makes it seem odd.

I'm just wondering if there will be quarrel between the sub-groups for long, or will Glenn's group with Eugene, Daryl's new pseudo biker gang, Rick's trio, and Tyrese and Carol (who themselves settled differences) put all their differences aside and form one, giant, conglomerate, badass super team, culminating in a season 5 story arc called "Terminus is evil and fucking shit up, and it's time for the zombie justice league to take it down!!"

I would like to see Joe survive. He's one of the few really intriguing characters on the show right now. I don't care what happens to his group, but I'd love to see Daryl draw him into Rick's group somehow, so he could play a Merle/Shane type role. A contrarian figure that has his own ideas about how things should work, butts heads with the rest of the group members, and effectively diminishes the cohesion of the group.

Maybe this could create a rift in Rick and Daryl's friendship, setting up Abraham to become Rick's right hand.

I know one thing - the actor that plays Joe isn't just a bum Kirkman snagged off the street. That guy has serious ability. It would be a shame to kill him off.

I would like to see Joe survive. He's one of the few really intriguing characters on the show right now. I don't care what happens to his group, but I'd love to see Daryl draw him into Rick's group somehow, so he could play a Merle/Shane type role. A contrarian figure that has his own ideas about how things should work, butts heads with the rest of the group members, and effectively diminishes the cohesion of the group.

Maybe this could create a rift in Rick and Daryl's friendship, setting up Abraham to become Rick's right hand.

I know one thing - the actor that plays Joe isn't just a bum Kirkman snagged off the street. That guy has serious ability. It would be a shame to kill him off.

Nailed the Joe character. Totally agree with you dude!

Also just a guess:

Spoiler alert kinda: Heard bout a cannibal group in the comics, havent read all of em yet, but that chick behind the grill totally made me think thats what this group will be, a bunch of cannibals.

The flower painting - For all groups that find Terminus. Could hold some other meaning for Michonne, Rick and Carl. Maybe Michonne gets there and calls bullshit when she sees all the flowers and no vegetables being grown in the garden? Kind of like how she was immediately skeptical of Woodbury. Also, Lizzy's assassination scene. "Look at the flowers."

It's got to be Beth. What the hell happened to her? I find it hard to believe she would just leave Daryl like that after what they went through together. I was thinking that Terminus might be made up of the cannibals to. They were probably the ones who took Beth and now they will serve her up to Maggie as a meal though Maggie won't know she's eating her sister. I love Lauren Cohen, so I hope they don't kill off Maggie any time soon.

It's got to be Beth. What the hell happened to her? I find it hard to believe she would just leave Daryl like that after what they went through together. I was thinking that Terminus might be made up of the cannibals to. They were probably the ones who took Beth and now they will serve her up to Maggie as a meal though Maggie won't know she's eating her sister. I love Lauren Cohen, so I hope they don't kill off Maggie any time soon.

I would definitely prefer it to be Beth as well. I can't get one thing out of my head though, and that's when Maggie burned the picture of herself in the last episode in front of Glen just after they had been reunited in the train tunnel. I think it might have been foreshadowing. It also wouldn't surprise me if the writers had them reunite just to rip them apart.

Maggie was also the first person to talk to Mary when they entered Terminus.

They should've had Rick say at the end that they're "fucking" with the wrong people. It just would've sounded better. They let Breaking Bad get away with using it a few times, they should've let it slide once for this show. Are they worried families might be watching this show together or something? Foul language aside, this was a good season finale but I could've done without all the flashbacks. I get what they were trying to do with them but it wasted too much time that could've been used to further what was currently going on.

I was hoping Joe and his group would stick around for next season but Rick did kill him in one of the most badass ways possible, so i'm OK with him not making it. At least Rick is back to who he needs to be again and that's trouble for the people of Terminus. I'm not sure how they'll get out of this situation but with Rick as the leader again and everybody working with him, I know they will come out of it. Rick and Abraham will no doubt clash over who's supposed to lead at first though. Except for Sasha and Bob, I don't see anybody else in this group dying yet.