Subject:Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:bchris02on02/22/15 at 2:54 pm

Does anybody agree with me that the 2000s in some ways echoed the 1970s? Lets take a look at some of the similarities.

-Both decades had unpopular wars, with Vietnam in the early 1970s and Iraq in the mid 2000s-Both decades were economically characterized by recession and high gas prices-Both decades saw pop music change fairly slowly compared to the previous decade-Both the 1970s and the 2000s had a huge dance music fad during the closing years of the decade-Both decades had unpopular Presidents and the general feeling that America's best days were behind it-Pessimism ruled the national zeitgeist

Yet, despite all these negatives, people who grew up in the 70s still reminisce on the decade fondly. Likewise, I think the 2000s will be remembered fondly by the people who experienced it.

Thoughts?

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Eazy-EMAN1995on02/22/15 at 3:20 pm

I think the 10s echos the 70s. Economy,gas prices, music becoming cheesier to escape the troubles of the real world. Facial hair on a lot of us men. Dark age of children's entertainment, an adult dominated culture Jackasses on the web LOVE to compare Obama to Carter.

I personally think the 00s echoed the 60s. Vietnam=Iraq Vietnam I'll always associate with the 60s. 9/11=JFK.. An event that shook the nation,for majority of the 00s was the housing market bubble. The recession happened in 08/09 when the decade was practically over. Yes I know there was a recession in the early 2000s. But that was overshadowed by the events of September 11th.

The only thing I agree with is your president comparison. YES my parents always compared Bush to Tricky Dicky! ;D

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Todd Pettingzooon02/22/15 at 3:56 pm

The pop culture was similar to the 70's, but politically, it was sort of like a republican version of the 60's.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Eazy-EMAN1995on02/22/15 at 4:02 pm

The pop culture was similar to the 70's, but politically, it was sort of like a republican version of the 60's.

YES, I agree! I think the early 2000s pop culurtually was similar to the 70s. But not the mid-late years of the decade.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Arrowstoneon02/22/15 at 4:19 pm

Maybe 60s and 70s?

I remember the flared jeans in early 00s,and the relatively unkempt/long hair in the mid 00s.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Emmanon02/22/15 at 4:40 pm

Does anybody agree with me that the 2000s in some ways echoed the 1970s? Lets take a look at some of the similarities.

-Both decades had unpopular wars, with Vietnam in the early 1970s and Iraq in the mid 2000s-Both decades were economically characterized by recession and high gas prices-Both decades saw pop music change fairly slowly compared to the previous decade-Both the 1970s and the 2000s had a huge dance music fad during the closing years of the decade-Both decades had unpopular Presidents and the general feeling that America's best days were behind it-Pessimism ruled the national zeitgeist

Yet, despite all these negatives, people who grew up in the 70s still reminisce on the decade fondly. Likewise, I think the 2000s will be remembered fondly by the people who experienced it.

Thoughts?

The '00s actually strike me as being somewhat similar to the 1920s, both had divisive culture wars, a economic bubble that burst at the end, a glitzy, flashy popular culture, and a turn towards sociopolitical conservatism, the Red Scare/911 parallels, but while the 1920s was characterized by american isolationism the 2000s was globalization and a aggressive foreign policy.

EDM peaked around 2012 in popularity, the economic recovery has been the worst since The Great Depression so the 2010s will be more known for the bad economy. Also while the economy in the 1970s was suffering from high inflation the threat since 2008/09 has been a deflationary spiral, hence the bank bailouts and nonstop quantitative easing.

This decade, the 2010s, is the most similar to the 1970s since it ended but the closer parallel imo is the 1930s. Popular culture in the '70s was when the counter culture of The Sixties became mainstream, there was still groundbreaking changes in music and art during that decade. There's nothing of that kind of counter culture in the '00s or '10s, the youth ferment we've had(like OWS) has been economic/political in nature, not cultural. The ferment of OWS is very similar to the union strikes of the 1930s, EDM might make a closer parallel with swing/big band because it is a watered down, sanitized version of an earlier, more edgy music subculture(jazz and rave respectively). There are obvious parallels between The Great Depression and The Great Recession, in america there seems to be a turn more towards the isolationism of the '20s/'30s since the end of the Iraq War.

Most of the similarities the 2000s have with the 1970s imo has to do with a nostalgic 25-30 year cycle, that's when flares became fashionable again, That '70s show, boho chic, ect.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:ArcticFoxon02/22/15 at 7:55 pm

Most of the similarities the 2000s have with the 1970s imo has to do with a nostalgic 25-30 year cycle, that's when flares became fashionable again, That '70s show, boho chic, ect.

No, pop culture goes in 20 year cycles, not 30. Bell Bottoms came back in 1996, and hippie elements such as tie-dye, Birkenstocks, gypsy tops, center partings, and homemade jewelry became cool around 1993/1994-ish. Just watch Beverly Hills, 90210 and My So Called Life for proof.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:ArcticFoxon02/22/15 at 7:58 pm

Overall, I'd say no. The 2000s were, for the most part, their own decade. But if anything, it was most similar to the 1980s.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Eazy-EMAN1995on02/22/15 at 8:26 pm

Overall, I'd say no. The 2000s were, for the most part, their own decade. But if anything, it was most similar to the 1980s.

I AGREE 10000 percent the mid-late 2000s were similar to the 80s. But politically yes was a republican version of the 60s.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:winteriscomingon02/25/15 at 2:10 am

I think the 00s were like the 50s. Blandness and conformity were in vogue, along with very plain looking clothes.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Shemp97on02/25/15 at 11:10 am

I think the 10s echos the 70s. Economy,gas prices, music becoming cheesier to escape the troubles of the real world. Facial hair on a lot of us men. Dark age of children's entertainment, an adult dominated culture Jackasses on the web LOVE to compare Obama to Carter.

I personally think the 00s echoed the 60s. Vietnam=Iraq Vietnam I'll always associate with the 60s. 9/11=JFK.. An event that shook the nation,for majority of the 00s was the housing market bubble. The recession happened in 08/09 when the decade was practically over. Yes I know there was a recession in the early 2000s. But that was overshadowed by the events of September 11th.

The only thing I agree with is your president comparison. YES my parents always compared Bush to Tricky Dicky! ;D

Lol, we didn't get either of those here in Canada.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Eazy-EMAN1995on02/25/15 at 11:49 am

I think the 00s were like the 50s. Blandness and conformity were in vogue, along with very plain looking clothes.

I always saw the 80s and 90s as the new 50s.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:ArcticFoxon03/24/15 at 3:36 pm

Does anybody agree with me that the 2000s in some ways echoed the 1970s? Lets take a look at some of the similarities.

-Both decades had unpopular wars, with Vietnam in the early 1970s and Iraq in the mid 2000s-Both decades were economically characterized by recession and high gas prices-Both decades saw pop music change fairly slowly compared to the previous decade-Both the 1970s and the 2000s had a huge dance music fad during the closing years of the decade-Both decades had unpopular Presidents and the general feeling that America's best days were behind it-Pessimism ruled the national zeitgeist

Yet, despite all these negatives, people who grew up in the 70s still reminisce on the decade fondly. Likewise, I think the 2000s will be remembered fondly by the people who experienced it.

Thoughts?

I actually think the 2010s echo the 1970s. The 2000s in my opinion was a repeat of the 1960s. Here is why I think:

1) In the 2000s, people focused more on political issues, just like in the 1960s.

2) There were unpopular wars that America participated in the middle years of both decades: Vietnam starting in 1965, and Iraq starting in 2004.

3) Both decades went more experimental in the later years (psychedelic rock in the late '60s, electropop in the late '00s)

4) The economy was really good in the '60s (went bad in the '70s); The economy was alright in the 2000s, great in the beginning (went bad at the end, with major repercussions in the following decade).

5) Shocking events in the beginning of both decades; John F. Kennedy's assassination in 1963 and 9/11 in 2001.

6) Both decades had bright-colored fashions; starting with pastels in the early years, and neon colors in the later years

7) Both went super liberal at the end.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:ArcticFoxon03/24/15 at 3:47 pm

For the 2010s and it's correlation to the 1970s, I would say;

1) Pessimism rules the zeitgeist today.

2) Society also thinks that America's best days are behind it.

3) Gas is really high in price (corporations are just so greedy and the Middle East just doesn't want to share).

4) People focus more on personal problem rather than political ones like they did in the 2000s. This is similar to what the 1960s-1970s relationship was like on a societal spectrum.

5) Debauchery is glorified.

6) People promoting tolerance, acceptance, and "free love"; all the while no one practices what they preach.

7) Escapist music (disco wasn't "in" in the early '70s, but it was still fun and light-hearted: It just had a '60s vibe).

8) Taking forever to move away from the previous decade. The 1970s didn't start to look like the '70s until about 1974, whereas the 2010s didn't start to look like the '10s (so far...) until about 2014.

9) Unpopular presidents. The difference is, people were more fickle in the '70s, and had a few one-term presidents. The 2010s doesn't.

10) Lack of distinction between the major political parties. Everything feels the same. No options. Just in name only.

11) Taboo sex trends at the beginning. The Sexual Revolution in the early 1970s. Homosexuality in the early 2010s.

12) Obsession with era two decades prior: Happy Days (started in 1974) begins taking place in 1954, and Hindsight and Fresh Off the Boat (both started airing this year) taking place in 1995.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Eazy-EMAN1995on03/25/15 at 9:27 am

I actually think the 2010s echo the 1970s. The 2000s in my opinion was a repeat of the 1960s. Here is why I think:

1) In the 2000s, people focused more on political issues, just like in the 1960s.

2) There were unpopular wars that America participated in the middle years of both decades: Vietnam starting in 1965, and Iraq starting in 2004.

3) Both decades went more experimental in the later years (psychedelic rock in the late '60s, electropop in the late '00s)

4) The economy was really good in the '60s (went bad in the '70s); The economy was alright in the 2000s, great in the beginning (went bad at the end, with major repercussions in the following decade).

5) Shocking events in the beginning of both decades; John F. Kennedy's assassination in 1963 and 9/11 in 2001.

6) Both decades had bright-colored fashions; starting with pastels in the early years, and neon colors in the later years

7) Both went super liberal at the end.

YES, THANK YOU!!! :)

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Eazy-EMAN1995on03/25/15 at 9:29 am

For the 2010s and it's correlation to the 1970s, I would say;

1) Pessimism rules the zeitgeist today.

2) Society also thinks that America's best days are behind it.

3) Gas is really high in price (corporations are just so greedy and the Middle East just doesn't want to share).

4) People focus more on personal problem rather than political ones like they did in the 2000s. This is similar to what the 1960s-1970s relationship was like on a societal spectrum.

5) Debauchery is glorified.

6) People promoting tolerance, acceptance, and "free love"; all the while no one practices what they preach.

7) Escapist music (disco wasn't "in" in the early '70s, but it was still fun and light-hearted: It just had a '60s vibe).

8) Taking forever to move away from the previous decade. The 1970s didn't start to look like the '70s until about 1974, whereas the 2010s didn't start to look like the '10s (so far...) until about 2014.

9) Unpopular presidents. The difference is, people were more fickle in the '70s, and had a few one-term presidents. The 2010s doesn't.

10) Lack of distinction between the major political parties. Everything feels the same. No options. Just in name only.

11) Taboo sex trends at the beginning. The Sexual Revolution in the early 1970s. Homosexuality in the early 2010s.

12) Obsession with era two decades prior: Happy Days (started in 1974) begins taking place in 1954, and Hindsight and Fresh Off the Boat (both started airing this year) taking place in 1995.

I agree 150%

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Shemp97on03/25/15 at 4:42 pm

I think the 10s echos the 70s. Economy,gas prices, music becoming cheesier to escape the troubles of the real world. Facial hair on a lot of us men. Dark age of children's entertainment, an adult dominated culture Jackasses on the web LOVE to compare Obama to Carter.

I personally think the 00s echoed the 60s. Vietnam=Iraq Vietnam I'll always associate with the 60s. 9/11=JFK.. An event that shook the nation,for majority of the 00s was the housing market bubble. The recession happened in 08/09 when the decade was practically over. Yes I know there was a recession in the early 2000s. But that was overshadowed by the events of September 11th.

The only thing I agree with is your president comparison. YES my parents always compared Bush to Tricky Dicky! ;D

Not here in Canada there wasn't. The 00s were such a good decade for us.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Slim95on03/26/15 at 10:31 am

Not here in Canada there wasn't. The 00s were such a good decade for us.

Good in the Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin days.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:ArcticFoxon04/01/15 at 9:39 am

YES, I agree! I think the early 2000s pop culurtually was similar to the 70s. But not the mid-late years of the decade.

I'd say pop culturally the early '00s were like the early '80s instead.

Not here in Canada there wasn't. The 00s were such a good decade for us.

Just like how the '90s were a fantastic decade for us in the United States.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Eazy-EMAN1995on04/01/15 at 11:47 am

I'd say pop culturally the early '00s were like the early '80s instead.

You know what I take back what I said, I think I'm agreeing with you!!Just like how the '90s were a fantastic decade for us in the United States.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:winteriscomingon04/14/15 at 9:08 am

Good in the Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin days.

Yeah Harper was terrible.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Fearswordon04/15/15 at 7:39 am

Yes, for most of the decade actually. 80s nostalgia didn't even begin until 2007!

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Baltimoreianon07/22/15 at 9:34 pm

Yes, for most of the decade actually. 80s nostalgia didn't even begin until 2007!

80s nostalgia has been around since the late 90s/early 2000s. Do you really think GTA: Vice City was made just for nothing?

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:#Infinityon07/23/15 at 12:36 am

The 2000s have some similarities to the 70s, but they're also quite comparable to the 50s. The early part of both decades was dominated by political paranoia (Second Red Scare for the 50s, post-9/11 for the 2000s), a focus on conservative politics, with social movements developing from the underground, and extremely commercialized music on the pop charts, while the later years showed more signs of protest that wouldn't be fully realized until the following decade. The 50s may not have had the Vietnam War aside from a lot of buildup, but they did have the Korean War, which, much like the War on Terror, was quite eventful during its first year but quickly turned into a dragged-out stalemate afterwards. In my opinion, the 2000s were the modern equivalent to the 50s, whereas the 2010s are the modern version of the 60s, which were dominated by civil rights protests, cosmopolitan politics, and a rejection of capitalism.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Philip Enoon07/23/15 at 11:34 am

Not as such, the technical advancements of the 2000's are far superior to that of the 1970's!

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Baltimoreianon07/23/15 at 11:49 am

Not as such, the technical advancements of the 2000's are far superior to that of the 1970's!

I don't think they're talking about technology in the 70s and 2000s. They're talking about the politics that are comparable to both decades.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Baltimoreianon07/25/15 at 9:13 am

Not here in Canada there wasn't. The 00s were such a good decade for us.

What stuff did you had in the 2000s? Was Canada economically great or something?

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Shemp97on07/25/15 at 10:55 am

Good in the Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin days.

Nobody really talks positively about those guys like they did Trudeau (the old one) or Diefenbaker in the 60s. Harper has been getting worse since his first term. Don't get me wrong, he was never great to begin with, but he was definitely no Bush either.

What stuff did you had in the 2000s? Was Canada economically great or something?

I spoke in other threads about how our music scene was domonated by rock, country and alternative hip hop which I grealty prefer to today's music. But on the topic of economy. Our economy had recovered greatly since the 1990s economic crash and was pretty good until around nov/dec 2008. The interesting catch is that while the late 00s recession hit us more abruptly than the 90s one, we didn't fall as far into unemployment, forecloser and bailouts as we did back then. Not one of our banks needed bailouts in 08-09 and we were frequently cited as the best example of a country surviving the recession largely intact. Unfortunately, our economy has not really recovered since then and we are due for another one soon if we aren't in one already.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Baltimoreianon07/25/15 at 12:33 pm

I spoke in other threads about how our music scene was domonated by rock, country and alternative hip hop which I grealty prefer to today's music. But on the topic of economy. Our economy had recovered greatly since the 1990s economic crash and was pretty good until around nov/dec 2008. The interesting catch is that while the late 00s recession hit us more abruptly than the 90s one, we didn't fall as far into unemployment and bailouts as we did back then. Not one of our banks needed bailouts in 08-09 and we were frequently cited as the best example of a country surviving the recession largely intact. Unfortunately, our economy has not recovered since then and we are due for another one soon if we aren't in one already.

Canada's doomed for another economic recession? Wow. I feel sorry for your country then.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Shemp97on07/25/15 at 12:46 pm

Canada's doomed for another economic recession? Wow. I feel sorry for your country then.

The october elections are going to be one of our most important in years.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:Baltimoreianon07/25/15 at 12:49 pm

The october elections are going to be one of our most important in years.

Why is that?

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:tvon07/27/15 at 12:44 am

I always thought the 2000's were similar to the 80's because of the excess of both decades. 80's Hair Metal and 00's Glam Rap are kissing cousins. I think both decades always had the image of person driving a luxury car(BMW, Caddy, or a Benz) as a status symbol as "you made it" financially. That excess kinda died though at the end of 2006.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:KatanaChickon07/27/15 at 1:56 am

For the 2010s and it's correlation to the 1970s, I would say;

1) Pessimism rules the zeitgeist today.

2) Society also thinks that America's best days are behind it.

3) Gas is really high in price (corporations are just so greedy and the Middle East just doesn't want to share).

4) People focus more on personal problem rather than political ones like they did in the 2000s. This is similar to what the 1960s-1970s relationship was like on a societal spectrum.

5) Debauchery is glorified.

6) People promoting tolerance, acceptance, and "free love"; all the while no one practices what they preach.

7) Escapist music (disco wasn't "in" in the early '70s, but it was still fun and light-hearted: It just had a '60s vibe).

8) Taking forever to move away from the previous decade. The 1970s didn't start to look like the '70s until about 1974, whereas the 2010s didn't start to look like the '10s (so far...) until about 2014.

9) Unpopular presidents. The difference is, people were more fickle in the '70s, and had a few one-term presidents. The 2010s doesn't.

10) Lack of distinction between the major political parties. Everything feels the same. No options. Just in name only.

11) Taboo sex trends at the beginning. The Sexual Revolution in the early 1970s. Homosexuality in the early 2010s.

12) Obsession with era two decades prior: Happy Days (started in 1974) begins taking place in 1954, and Hindsight and Fresh Off the Boat (both started airing this year) taking place in 1995.

The decadeology in here is flowing! :o

If you think hard enough, you can make any comparison and find parallels.

1. Of course there is a pessimistic vibe. That's what makes the news.

2. Yearning for the past with rose tinted spectacles is nothing unique to today.

3. Things always become more expensive as time goes on.

4. Alot of people are "me first" and don't give the outside world much thought.

5. Explain that one. There's always a thrill about breaking taboo subjects. Entertainment and the arts has done this since who knows when.

6. Again, humans single people out for not being like them. Improvements can be made but there will always be a struggle.

7. Every era has escapist feel good songs. It doesn't mean that's all there is to hear.

8. 2010 I'll give leeway, but after that it didn't feel like the 2000's. Maybe age factors in there?

9. People still aren't happy no matter who leads.

10. That's something that has to change, and I see it getting worse over the years.

11. Being trans is more in the spotlight now. There's a show on TLC even.

12. TV shows set in the past again are not new concepts.

Subject:Re: Did the 2000s echo the 1970s?

Written By:ocarinafan96on07/27/15 at 5:53 pm

Personally I think the 2000's echoed the 80's more than it did the 70's. I'll give you a few examples:

1. Both Decades started off with a backlash of liberal policies, early 80's with Jimmy Carter & The Iran Hostage Crisis, early 00's with Bill Clinton & The Monica Lewinsky Scandal

2. Both Decades were very conservative, Reagen in the 80's, Bush in the 00's