SX- Slim Xtreme 1 capsule does the trick. clean, even energy for 12+ hours, great app. suppression, increased concentration and focus and mental clarity.. won nutraplanets award for best in its class, and also a top seller.

I take Lipo 6x myself, had some great results but always on the lookout for anything which might be better so will view this thread with some interest. Have heard EPH 25+ isn't bad, also looking forward to hearing about Lipo 6 black!

what i dont like about SX is everyoen says great appetite supression mental clarity etc etc but no1 says it helps burn more. onlthing related to fat lose ppl say about SX is appetite supression - which is not enough for me to buy it

Remember that fat loss is mostly diet and training. If you don't have those on track, no pill is going to give you the results you want.

Some effective fat burners that I have used are:

-Shred Matrix
-X-Force
-REDuction

My favorite fat burner is X-Force because of the incredible mood enhancement and smooth energy boost that comes along with great fat loss results. I became a rep for IBE because I liked their product so much. LOL.

REDuction and Shred Matrix are some good products. I personally didn't see as many fat loss results while using them, but they still are some solid, quality supplements that I would recommend.

I used Slim Xtreme once and it made me so nauseous that I refused to take it again. I've heard a couple other people who've had the same problem, but from my understanding it is a rare side effect.

07-27-2009, 02:36 PM

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Can't beat ECA and carb cycling

07-27-2009, 02:48 PM

jim623

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Originally Posted by jay21

what i dont like about SX is everyoen says great appetite supression mental clarity etc etc but no1 says it helps burn more. onlthing related to fat lose ppl say about SX is appetite supression - which is not enough for me to buy it

You're right every one does tend to focus on the energy and appetite suppression, but SX does indeed increase your metabolism drastically. It is a great fat burner.

SX- Slim Xtreme 1 capsule does the trick. clean, even energy for 12+ hours, great app. suppression, increased concentration and focus and mental clarity.. won nutraplanets award for best in its class, and also a top seller.

I have seen it all... and SLIM XTREME is king by a long shot... its hunger suppression kills the ECA stack... u cant show me anything type of food on SLIM XTREME that will tempt me to eat...

what i dont like about SX is everyoen says great appetite supression mental clarity etc etc but no1 says it helps burn more. onlthing related to fat lose ppl say about SX is appetite supression - which is not enough for me to buy it

I think people always mention appetite supression with SX is because SX's appetite supression is quite incredible and pronounced and unyielding....

Venom Hyperdrive - they have changed the formula - the old Hyperdrive was one of the best - the new one is simply average

Slim X - appetite destroyer...wow!

Clenbutrx - knock you on your booty stim - not for the faint of heart. You can see weekly body comp changes with this product...you can't say that for most.

Don't forget, the stim is such a small part of the equation. Of course your foundation will include things such as:

Fish oil - 3 grams of EPA/DHA a day

Adequate Protein

Proper carb timing with a carb disposal product - (PSlin, Glycobol)

Proper sleep and supps to enhance that...increase in gh is quite important when losing fat

Water, water, water!

Plenty of fiberous carbs which will help with satiety and the enzymes will help with the extra protein and acid/alkaline balance

Attitude...make sure you are both happy with whatever choice you make. That is the real key and is often overlooked. Even the best stim will only elicit a only a small effect on the bigger picture. These products are really the icing on the cake so to speak. You can loose fat and enjoy pushing yourself to reach your goal.

Of course all advice is relative based on your exact needs. If you don't have issues with appetite suppression and you simply want a stimulant that may effect your choices. You see on the posts that SlimXtreme is getting great reviews for both however. ECA will crush your appetitite, give crazy energy if not abused and elevate the metabolism higher than mosts stims for a longer period. Also make sure you are conscious of your stimulant timing in regards to your carb intake as stimulants can have negative effects on insulin resistance. This is one of the main focuses of weight loss of course...managing insulin. I hope this was helpful and I know the posters on this site will provide allot of good info...so many knowledgeable cats here!

Venom Hyperdrive - they have changed the formula - the old Hyperdrive was one of the best - the new one is simply average

Slim X - appetite destroyer...wow!

Clenbutrx - knock you on your booty stim - not for the faint of heart. You can see weekly body comp changes with this product...you can't say that for most.

Don't forget, the stim is such a small part of the equation. Of course your foundation will include things such as:

Fish oil - 3 grams of EPA/DHA a day

Adequate Protein

Proper carb timing with a carb disposal product - (PSlin, Glycobol)

Proper sleep and supps to enhance that...increase in gh is quite important when losing fat

Water, water, water!

Plenty of fiberous carbs which will help with satiety and the enzymes will help with the extra protein and acid/alkaline balance

Attitude...make sure you are both happy with whatever choice you make. That is the real key and is often overlooked. Even the best stim will only elicit a only a small effect on the bigger picture. These products are really the icing on the cake so to speak. You can loose fat and enjoy pushing yourself to reach your goal.

Of course all advice is relative based on your exact needs. If you don't have issues with appetite suppression and you simply want a stimulant that may effect your choices. You see on the posts that SlimXtreme is getting great reviews for both however. ECA will crush your appetitite, give crazy energy if not abused and elevate the metabolism higher than mosts stims for a longer period. Also make sure you are conscious of your stimulant timing in regards to your carb intake as stimulants can have negative effects on insulin resistance. This is one of the main focuses of weight loss of course...managing insulin. I hope this was helpful and I know the posters on this site will provide allot of good info...so many knowledgeable cats here!

great post +1 dead on

07-28-2009, 05:17 PM

dpfisher

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Originally Posted by jay21

i will run clen soon home it is better with ECA targeting all BETA 1,2 and 3 i had some heavy BAD version of chest pain

pisss test does not check for it.
i belive u start out at 20mcg and raise it by 20mcg every day until u find your own sweet spot, some are at 60 some at 100. find a dude called crazychemist, he helped me with this stuff pretty knowledgable dude

i love ECA but it hits my heart heavy around week 6 then again i used black widow which dosent have epehdrine but ephedra extract or alkoloids forgot which one but from what i hear ephedrine is easier on heart than alkoloids

Before you go saying that appetite suppresion is a positive thing for fat loss take a look at the quality of your loss, how much muscle are you sacificing. Without an increase in fat burn appetite suppresion can be a very negative thing. I will always steer away from a supp that has appetite suppresion at the top of it's list. As far as fat loss is concerned (which does not necessarly mean weight loss) I want something to help me properly use the food I am eating like AP and some like yellow gold or glycobol. Banaba extract has some good properties. Nothing to bad about something that helps with cravings so Recreate has been pretty good for me. Appetite is a very valuable tool for bodybuilders as it tells us when we need to increase calorie intake to keep us in an anablolic state even when trying to cut fat. If you try to lose weight quickly you are going to risk losing muscle and in turn reduce you ability to burn more fat and slow down your metabolism.

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i've used slim x and ECA. i noticed that i burn more fat overall on slim x only because of its appetite suppressant properties. because i was able to avoid all cravings while i was on it, i have eaten the same meal everyday, consistently for 4 weeks and lost great deal of body fat compared to ECA where i craved everything like no other. just thought i'd throw in my input

Before you go saying that appetite suppresion is a positive thing for fat loss take a look at the quality of your loss, how much muscle are you sacificing. Without an increase in fat burn appetite suppresion can be a very negative thing. I will always steer away from a supp that has appetite suppresion at the top of it's list. As far as fat loss is concerned (which does not necessarly mean weight loss) I want something to help me properly use the food I am eating like AP and some like yellow gold or glycobol. Banaba extract has some good properties. Nothing to bad about something that helps with cravings so Recreate has been pretty good for me. Appetite is a very valuable tool for bodybuilders as it tells us when we need to increase calorie intake to keep us in an anablolic state even when trying to cut fat. If you try to lose weight quickly you are going to risk losing muscle and in turn reduce you ability to burn more fat and slow down your metabolism.

Great post! Appetite suppression should not be the main vehicle for weight (fat) loss.

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Great post! Appetite suppression should not be the main vehicle for weight (fat) loss.

Amen!! every time I read a review or post that touts appetite suppression as the main reason someone lost fat the less likely I am going to use that product. I mean SX sounds good but then when they say it crushes appetite I shy away. I have read too many "positive" reviews saying that it eliminated appetite.

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Before you go saying that appetite suppresion is a positive thing for fat loss take a look at the quality of your loss, how much muscle are you sacificing. Without an increase in fat burn appetite suppresion can be a very negative thing. I will always steer away from a supp that has appetite suppresion at the top of it's list. As far as fat loss is concerned (which does not necessarly mean weight loss) I want something to help me properly use the food I am eating like AP and some like yellow gold or glycobol. Banaba extract has some good properties. Nothing to bad about something that helps with cravings so Recreate has been pretty good for me. Appetite is a very valuable tool for bodybuilders as it tells us when we need to increase calorie intake to keep us in an anablolic state even when trying to cut fat. If you try to lose weight quickly you are going to risk losing muscle and in turn reduce you ability to burn more fat and slow down your metabolism.

Muscle loss is VERY over-rated. It really depends on bodytype. Something that blunts your hunger is only one piece of the puzzle. No fat burner has all the ingredients needed for a full cutting Matrix... if one did... the pill would be the size of a basketball. Alot of people who have problems with weight and obesity ... their appetite control systems is not working correctly. They have bad cravings. If this is corrected with a suppressor.. then they will be able to get in shape much easier. You cant cookie cutter this thing.

Muscle loss is VERY over-rated. It really depends on bodytype. Something that blunts your hunger is only one piece of the puzzle. No fat burner has all the ingredients needed for a full cutting Matrix... if one did... the pill would be the size of a basketball. Alot of people who have problems with weight and obesity ... their appetite control systems is not working correctly. They have bad cravings. If this is corrected with a suppressor.. then they will be able to get in shape much easier. You cant cookie cutter this thing.

I still say appetite is important thing to keep ... even when cutting. I am an endo type who has struggled with cravings but crushing my appetite is just a bad idea.

How can you say muscle loss is overrated about 50% of the weight lost on a lot of diets is muscle due to lack of sufficient sustanance. It's the singular biggest fault it dieting plans today. Your either anabolic or catabolic and you don't have to be catabolic to burn fat, nor do you have to be in much of a calorie deficit. It is very difficult to get very lean without losing muscle, you suppress your appetite and it gets that much harder.

I understand where appetite suppression is aimed, and who it helps. It's cool if you need that. I am stating that it's not as good for people such as myself who have attained a certain amount of control and rely on there appetite to show them when extra calories are required. Cravings yah, a little help with that is welcome.

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08-06-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

I still say appetite is important thing to keep ... even when cutting. I am an endo type who has struggled with cravings but crushing my appetite is just a bad idea.

How can you say muscle loss is overrated about 50% of the weight lost on a lot of diets is muscle due to lack of sufficient sustanance. It's the singular biggest fault it dieting plans today. Your either anabolic or catabolic and you don't have to be catabolic to burn fat, nor do you have to be in much of a calorie deficit. It is very difficult to get very lean without losing muscle, you suppress your appetite and it gets that much harder.

I understand where appetite suppression is aimed, and who it helps. It's cool if you need that. I am stating that it's not as good for people such as myself who have attained a certain amount of control and rely on there appetite to show them when extra calories are required. Cravings yah, a little help with that is welcome.

I don't have cravings on SX but I do get hungry. That empty feeling in my stomach that just water will not satisfy. I don't have a problem not eating enough so muscle loss isn't really a concern to me.

Maybe you should look into SX lite when it comes out. Basically it's a half dose of SX.

I don't have cravings on SX but I do get hungry. That empty feeling in my stomach that just water will not satisfy. I don't have a problem not eating enough so muscle loss isn't really a concern to me.

Maybe you should look into SX lite when it comes out. Basically it's a half dose of SX.

Yes that is a possibility, yah the reviews that say they only experience mild appetite suppression keep me interested. Something milder does sound better.

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