"The good stuff"

This is a discussion on "The good stuff" within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; I have tons of cheap .223 laying around but I don't have very much of the good stuff.
I'd like to get some 5.56 ammo ...

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I guess it all comes down to what we consider the "good stuff" to be. I thought lake city XM193 was as close to GI issue as one could get. I mean I have more expensive stuff, some hollow points, etc, but I always kinda liked that lake city stuff, and held it back.

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Originally Posted by StormRhydr

I guess it all comes down to what we consider the "good stuff" to be. I thought lake city XM193 was as close to GI issue as one could get. I mean I have more expensive stuff, some hollow points, etc, but I always kinda liked that lake city stuff, and held it back.

I don't consider ball the good stuff. The good stuff has the type of bullets I asked about in my OP.

"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." Ted Nugent

"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." Ted Nugent

You have the proper twist rate for a 77gr bullet? Most modern AR's have twist rates for the common military spec 55gr bullets. You might not get such good performance with a heavier bullet.

A 1:7 twist rate like Timmy said he has would be a good match for the heavier bullets being discussed.

55gr will work in a 1:7, but the heavier bullets generally perform better with that rate. Similarly, a 1:9 twist rate does better with mid weight bullets.

It should be noted, as Shotguns said, the length of the bullet actually makes more difference in relation to the twist rate than bullet weight, but for discussion sake (since bullets are generally referred to by weight instead of length), those are pretty decent guidelines.

Edit: Modern ARs run the gambit with twist rates, with 1:9 1:8 and 1:7 all being fairly common from major manufacturers.

Guys, modern military ammo is m855 62gr, mk262 mod 1 77gr, Brown Tip 70gr Optimized and MK318 62gr. There is no 55gr currently in use. M193 is from decades past though it's still offered for sale.

The TDP specifies a 1:7 twist. All rifles in service have a 1:7 twist or 1:8 I'd were talking about the MK12 mod 1.

A 1:7 from a quality manufacturer will stabilize 55gr through 77gr. Some 1:9 barrels will as well but I have no use for them and are generally reserved for hobby grade rifles.

Remember that the twist rate and stabilization concern is not about bullet weight but bullet length. It just so happens that heavier bullets are longer. All copper bullets like TSX are longer than jacketed bullets. A 70gr TSX is as long if not longer than 77gr smk. 50gr TSX is longer than 55gr FMJ. So, just because one 1:9 barrel stabilizes 77gr smk, it doesn't necessarily mean it'll stabilize 70gr TSX.

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