I don't understand how attempting to sure up our weakest position is weak logic? please Explain

Well first of all, because I think the staff believes with the development of the young DTs and the way Carter came along at the second half of last season the D-Line will be significantly improved.

Also, how about we look at it this way. Suppose a team had a terrible running game. Well on the one hand you could just get a new running back. Or you could say we have a good back but he needs protection up front-so let's get new linemen, or we have a good back but our receivers are no threat so the defense can stack the box-so let's get a deep threat at receiver than can draw a double team.

You follow?

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First off ARE is only listed as the 2nd because that where he ended at last year which has been explained several times. Second you are basicaly saying that our coaching staff including Gibbs have no clue on how to coach a football team.

Did I ever say the coaches had no clue how to coach?? NO! I just think they need to open up the competiton at several positions. Don't you??? Very few guys should be comfortable coming off a 5-11 season.

Do you remember how Eric Mangini handled the Jets last year? He didn't even tell anyone who his starting qb was until the end of pre-season. He basically opened up all positions and may the best man win. Sorry but I like that. There isn't all the BS politics. It's all about playing the best players.

1. Why is Brunell being handed the backup job coming off major shoulder surgery and a bad season where he couldn't throw a pass over 10 yards?

2. I like Rocky M. but it seems that he was just handed the job because of the pressure from the media. Didn't Marshall play that positon real well in 04? Why is he being punished for playing out of position?

3. Where is the competition at kicker??????????? Sushium hasn't earned the right not to have competition. He isn't David Ackers. Simply ridicules!

4. Why is Goldston being named the starter already?

5. Why in the world is Daniels being handed a job?? WTF has he done to earn that right?

6. Who are our two starting corners? Should Springs be handed a starting spots just cause he is the oldest? Hell no. Let the top 3-4 guys compete for the top two positions.

Did I ever say the coaches had no clue how to coach?? NO! I just think they need to open up the competiton at several positions. Don't you??? Very few guys should be comfortable coming off a 5-11 season.

Do you remember how Eric Mangini handled the Jets last year? He didn't even tell anyone who his starting qb was until the end of pre-season. He basically opened up all positions and may the best man win. Sorry but I like that. There isn't all the BS politics. It's all about playing the best players.

1. Why is Brunell being handed the backup job coming off major shoulder surgery and a bad season where he couldn't throw a pass over 10 yards?

2. I like Rocky M. but it seems that he was just handed the job because of the pressure from the media. Didn't Marshall play that positon real well in 04? Why is he being punished for playing out of position?

3. Where is the competition at kicker??????????? Sushium hasn't earned the right not to have competition. He isn't David Ackers. Simply ridicules!

4. Why is Goldston being named the starter already?

5. Why in the world is Daniels being handed a job?? WTF has he done to earn that right?

6. Who are our two starting corners? Should Springs be handed a starting spots just cause he is the oldest? Hell no. Let the top 3-4 guys compete for the top two positions.

I think that there is a long way to go this preseason. There are a few jobs that are a no brainer as far as who the starter is, but not all. I think the coaches are experienced enough to evaluate the teams talent for the entire offseason/preseason and put the best player in each position for week one. The competition is ongoing, believe that.

No. I'm not saying he is the guy to turn anything around. All I'm saying is from what I saw just from two practices he looks better than Brunell and Palmer. Now I'm not saying he is a great QB or anything. Hell, he may suck. But the point I'm trying to make is why is it that so many guys on a 5-11 team have their positions nailed down? Can someone ask me why we have no competition at the back-up qb position? If we had any other coaching staff I bet there would be.

Any coaching staff would be a bunch of morons to back up a green qb with an even MORE green qb, then round it off with another green qb.
We / the coaching staff, made the decision to make Campbell the starting QB. That decision has been set in stone. Now they need to surround him with MENTORS, not rookies.
I'm sorry, you can not, nor will not convince me that Bramlet is a better back up than Brunell, especially considering that Brunell is a former pro bowler and knows Saunder's system. The coaching factor alone makes him more valuable than Bramlet, not to mention the fact that Brunell is under contract and to release him would create a huge cap hit.
To make matters worse, you saw him for only 2 PRACTICES and think he's better? You can not assess ANYONE in 2 practices. And I seriously doubt you know better than all the NFL scouts that wanted nothing to do with Bramlet.

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Also at WR. ARE, Lloyd and Thrash should all be battleling for the #2. No one on the roster has proven they can be a #2. But it's reported that it's ARE job. For what? Did Goldston show enough to be nailed down as the stater for the other DT opposite Griff? Hell no he didn't. So again that job should be open for competition.

Thrash? ARE and Lloyd have more talent than Thrash, if we give the #2 to thrash, might as well send Campbell out there naked. People need to use their head in making decisions, this is why Thrash will not be considered for the #2 spot. If ARE and Lloyd fail again, then we need a newcomer, not Thrash. You work on these players for a year and an offseason, you need to give them the chance.

Did I ever say the coaches had no clue how to coach?? NO! I just think they need to open up the competiton at several positions. Don't you??? Very few guys should be comfortable coming off a 5-11 season.

Do you remember how Eric Mangini handled the Jets last year? He didn't even tell anyone who his starting qb was until the end of pre-season. He basically opened up all positions and may the best man win. Sorry but I like that. There isn't all the BS politics. It's all about playing the best players.

1. Why is Brunell being handed the backup job coming off major shoulder surgery and a bad season where he couldn't throw a pass over 10 yards?

2. I like Rocky M. but it seems that he was just handed the job because of the pressure from the media. Didn't Marshall play that positon real well in 04? Why is he being punished for playing out of position?

3. Where is the competition at kicker??????????? Sushium hasn't earned the right not to have competition. He isn't David Ackers. Simply ridicules!

4. Why is Goldston being named the starter already?

5. Why in the world is Daniels being handed a job?? WTF has he done to earn that right?

6. Who are our two starting corners? Should Springs be handed a starting spots just cause he is the oldest? Hell no. Let the top 3-4 guys compete for the top two positions.

Well I can sum this up pretty easily.
Either you trust in the decades and decades of experience that Gibbs / Saunders / GW / Bugel bring to the table, or you don't. I know football, and I know it well, but I most certainly will bow to their knowledge over mine. They see these guys day in and day out, we do not. They know better than we do, plain and simple.

I agree with most of what you said but if Trash played 2nd WR last year we would have had more production from him. I'm not saying he has more talent than Lloyd but he could have done better than what LLoyd did last year. It is time for Lloyd to prove he belongs as the #2.

I absolutely agree that Lloyd needs to prove himself. But we have to remember a WR is only as good as his QB. Lloyd couldn't perform very well with a crappy Brunell, and a not so accurate Campbell.
So I disagree that Thrash would have performed better. It's not like ARE or Lloyd were dogging it, or dropping an abnormal amount of balls. Their misfortunes can be directly related to the misfortunes of the QBs.

Not that I believe a youth movement is a bad thing, but holy crap if we keep Brunell as the backup and Jordan Palmer as the third stringer and let Collins go like most of us thought would happen on draft day (before Casey Bramlet did something totally meaningless and we anointed him), would anyone be unhappy?

After Campbell and Brunell, we really don't have anything, so I would personally let Palmer take the third spot, but I wouldn't really care if we put him on the practice squad and Collins got it one more year.

Remember when I asked you to name a backup worth having, and you threw Charlie Frye's name out there? I'm beginning to think that you would be OK with anybody at QB as long as he's young. Imagine if we actually did make that move (Frye for Brunell and a pick). I mean, yeah the difference between him and Brunell could cost us a win or two this year (assuming MB is forced into action), but then you'd be all over the FO! "Why did we sign Fletcher! Smoot Sucks! We shouldn't have drafted Rogers! Should have kept Dockery!" Unwilling to admit that their actually could be a QB out there worse than Brunell. Charlie Frye, IMO, is the very definition of worse than Brunell.

Am I wrong here?

Your terribly wrong here, the fact that you want to possibly hitch the season to Brunell is flat out ridiculous, he's proven that he is inept at QB, the man is done, finished, washed up, and he was before we traded for him.

You are kind of comical though as you make excuse after excuse for Quinn and his fall off last year and lack of talent around him from the previous season, yet you are to tell me Frye had an actual legitimate team around him? Come on their horrible in all aspects in Cleveland starting from the coaches on down, you are going to make the point that Frye wouldn't be better served under Gibbs, and Saunders?

I will say it again, Brunell in 2 of the 3 seasons he has played for us has been as bad as a QB can possibly be, and that is what this team is being set up for if Campbell goes down.

I am tired of hearing about experience at backup, so long as Gibbs continues with Brunell this way we will never have it, I am sure Dan fouts has more knowledge than anyone we have on the staff with this offense perhaps we should pull him out of the booth and suit him up as a backup? No you say? Why? Because he is finished, he can no longer play, that's why! Just like Brunell, The job of a backup is to WIN games when called upon, Brunell has proven he can't. Who cares if he knows the offense it still translates into loses, allow a young guy to get the experience who knows he just might win some games in the process, it's not like it's never happened before. If Campbell goes down the season is done we are not going to win in the playoffs under Brunell and we will not be in the playoffs if Brunell plays the majority of the season. IMO Gibbs is still waiting on the miracle situation to justify Brunell and it's going to take something close to a miracle for that to ever happen!

We may not have a legitimate backup in any of these younger guy's we brought in this season the real question should be why haven't we seriously addressed that issue in some way, Palmer is a possible start in that direction but we should be much further along than we are, Bramlett who knows? I didn't see anything in europe to make me believe he's legit, but keeping Brunell around? We might as well put a uni on Sling'in Sammy to back up.

I absolutely agree that Lloyd needs to prove himself. But we have to remember a WR is only as good as his QB. Lloyd couldn't perform very well with a crappy Brunell, and a not so accurate Campbell.
So I disagree that Thrash would have performed better. It's not like ARE or Lloyd were dogging it, or dropping an abnormal amount of balls. Their misfortunes can be directly related to the misfortunes of the QBs.

Your terribly wrong here, the fact that you want to possibly hitch the season to Brunell is flat out ridiculous, he's proven that he is inept at QB, the man is done, finished, washed up, and he was before we traded for him.

You are kind of comical though as you make excuse after excuse for Quinn and his fall off last year and lack of talent around him from the previous season, yet you are to tell me Frye had an actual legitimate team around him? Come on their horrible in all aspects in Cleveland starting from the coaches on down, you are going to make the point that Frye wouldn't be better served under Gibbs, and Saunders?

I will say it again, Brunell in 2 of the 3 seasons he has played for us has been as bad as a QB can possibly be, and that is what this team is being set up for if Campbell goes down.

I am tired of hearing about experience at backup, so long as Gibbs continues with Brunell this way we will never have it, I am sure Dan fouts has more knowledge than anyone we have on the staff with this offense perhaps we should pull him out of the booth and suit him up as a backup? No you say? Why? Because he is finished, he can no longer play, that's why! Just like Brunell, The job of a backup is to WIN games when called upon, Brunell has proven he can't. Who cares if he knows the offense it still translates into loses, allow a young guy to get the experience who knows he just might win some games in the process, it's not like it's never happened before. If Campbell goes down the season is done we are not going to win in the playoffs under Brunell and we will not be in the playoffs if Brunell plays the majority of the season. IMO Gibbs is still waiting on the miracle situation to justify Brunell and it's going to take something close to a miracle for that to ever happen!

We may not have a legitimate backup in any of these younger guy's we brought in this season the real question should be why haven't we seriously addressed that issue in some way, Palmer is a possible start in that direction but we should be much further along than we are, Bramlett who knows? I didn't see anything in europe to make me believe he's legit, but keeping Brunell around? We might as well put a uni on Sling'in Sammy to back up.

It's your absolute refusal to consider the possibility that you might be wrong on Brunell that keeps me from being able to come to common ground with you, but I'll try to respond anyway. You were dead wrong on him once, I'm surprised you think that you aren't wrong on him again. Then again, I'm not even sure you realize that you were wrong on him once.

You are comparing Brady Quinn's Senior Season at ND to Charlie Frye's 2nd season in Cleveland. Brady Quinn finished 3rd in the Heismann voting. Charlie Frye got benched after Week 12 for some horrible play. There is no comparison, they didn't even play in the same damn league!

Just because the deck is stacked against him in terms of winning games does not mean that there is nothing to be expected out of him. He had two years in Cleveland, and showed little promise outside of the standard improvement in completion percentage. He clearly has not lived up to 3rd round pick status.

I will agree with one think you are saying, that the fact that we have to have experience at backup QB is kinda stupid. We should have the best quarterback we can get our hands on as backup QB.

Currently, that's Mark Brunell. You'd have a tough time building a case otherwise, and to the best of my knowledge, haven't even tried to. You DON'T want to put a guy back there because he might be better than Brunell, you actually want the best guy back there.

Obviously, you had to do some thinking to come up with Charlie Frye as "best candidate for Redskins backup QB", and while its realistic to believe we can acquire him, I'm still not sure why we would want to. He's been pretty awful, and while he's shown the potential to be as good as Brunell, it would be more than a stretch to say hes every going to be as good as MB currently is.

If Charlie Frye is the alternative option for backup this year, I don't think you are going to get a lot of support for booting Brunell out the door.

It's your absolute refusal to consider the possibility that you might be wrong on Brunell that keeps me from being able to come to common ground with you, but I'll try to respond anyway. You were dead wrong on him once, I'm surprised you think that you aren't wrong on him again. Then again, I'm not even sure you realize that you were wrong on him once.

You are comparing Brady Quinn's Senior Season at ND to Charlie Frye's 2nd season in Cleveland. Brady Quinn finished 3rd in the Heismann voting. Charlie Frye got benched after Week 12 for some horrible play. There is no comparison, they didn't even play in the same damn league!

Just because the deck is stacked against him in terms of winning games does not mean that there is nothing to be expected out of him. He had two years in Cleveland, and showed little promise outside of the standard improvement in completion percentage. He clearly has not lived up to 3rd round pick status.

I will agree with one think you are saying, that the fact that we have to have experience at backup QB is kinda stupid. We should have the best quarterback we can get our hands on as backup QB.

Currently, that's Mark Brunell. You'd have a tough time building a case otherwise, and to the best of my knowledge, haven't even tried to. You DON'T want to put a guy back there because he might be better than Brunell, you actually want the best guy back there.

Obviously, you had to do some thinking to come up with Charlie Frye as "best candidate for Redskins backup QB", and while its realistic to believe we can acquire him, I'm still not sure why we would want to. He's been pretty awful, and while he's shown the potential to be as good as Brunell, it would be more than a stretch to say hes every going to be as good as MB currently is.

If Charlie Frye is the alternative option for backup this year, I don't think you are going to get a lot of support for booting Brunell out the door.

First off I have never been wrong about Brunell, I have dead on!

Please pay attention to what is written rather than dismissing any point that you disagree with as none existent.

I will type a little slower this time so maybe you can comprehend, circumstances can dictate a players success, as you stated in your love for Quinn, I am saying Freys circumstances in Cleveland are bad, that a change of venue into a real offense could greatly benefit him because I believe he has the potential to be a good QB, couple that with the fact that he is a realistic option, not a pipe dream, and there you have it, he would definitely be worth taking a chance on.

You seem to stuck on numbers rather than having the ability to rationalize and evaluate a player based on circumstances, how many QB's have been left for dead, or just have been written off as nothing special to go on to have very good careers? How about Drew Brees? He was pretty awful his first few years, how did that turn out, I believe if Rivers didn't hold out Brees was about to be released wasn't he.

What you fail to realize is that SO WHAT IF BRUNELL IS THE BEST BACKUP RIGHT NOW! Who cares he has to be better than Collins who is horrible, and a rookie who has never taken a snap in the NFL? All that is going to do is get us beat by 10 points instead of 20, he's a loser! And is retarding the growth of a future backup, that's it. It's as if you take solace in losing but not getting blown out, who cares a lose is a lose!

C'mon Tripp. How about I show video of 2004 when Brunell was the worst QB in football? How about I show video of the last part of 05 when and the playoffs when Brunell looked like a frail old man and couldn't even throw for 50 yards? Or, how about I show video of Philly last year when Brunell threw a dead duck in the flat that got picked off for a TD? Remember that one?