Now we are finally getting somewhere. Just like Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality 'governed' his birth status in 1961, Ted Cruz is ineligible too. Fox News has confirmed it and rightly so. Sean Hannity made a huge blunder the other day and declared Ted Cruz a natural born citizen because he was born to a American mother in Canada. He was so wrong. Cruz is a 14th Amendment U.S. 'statutory' (not natural born) citizen which is something completely different than a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen which is explicitly designed only for the presidency by the framers.

Excuse Me! If you are born abroad to American Citizens you are an American Citizen by birth and most likely the birth was recorded at a US Consulate. John Mc Cain was born in Panama. Many US “Natural Born” Citizens are born abroad to U.S. Servicemen serving overseas. Are they ineligible too? You are $#%&%!

Several reasons: 1. Because they can. 2. Because Cruz is a Republican. 3. Because Cruz is not a Democrat. 4. Because Cruz is not one of them. 5.Becuse they worship,love, and adore,either latently or openly, obama.

“wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....”

Your baby would be a “born” citizen but not a natural born citizen. There was a question as to John McCain’s eligibility due to this same definition.

Marco Rubio is not a natural born citizen either due to his parents not being citizens at the time of his birth. But just watch the GOP band together to try to get him nominated in 2016. If they let Rubio run they have to let Cruz run. Neither one of them is eligible. They can both serve their country in the Senate or as Governors.

But of course if you are half black and a Democrat its OK that you can’t really prove where you were born and your Dad was a Kenyan.

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posted on 03/09/2013 8:16:25 AM PST
by Georgia Girl 2
(The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)

Children of American citizens born overseas are indisputably American citizens. It’s a question of their being ‘natural born citizens,’ as called for in the Constitution as a prerequisite to presidential eligibility that is in dispute.

He wasn't but it doesn't matter. Cruz was born an American citizen by virtue of his mother's U.S. citizenship. He didn't have to naturalize. If he wants to run for President, the Senate will extend to him the same courtesy they did McCain and pass a resolution declaring him eligible. Birthers might stomp their feet and file a bunch of lawsuits that go nowhere but there won't be any serious legal obstacles that Cruz will have to overcome to get on the ballot.

Excuse Me! If you are born abroad to American Citizens you are an American Citizen by birth and most likely the birth was recorded at a US Consulate. John Mc Cain was born in Panama. Many US Natural Born Citizens are born abroad to U.S. Servicemen serving overseas. Are they ineligible too? You are $#%&%!

Many people take the strict ‘Vattel’ view that a “Natural Born Citizen” is one born on American soil to two American citizen parents.

Why do you think there was a Senate Resolution declaring John McCain a “Natural Born Citizen” before the 2008 election? He was born of two American citizen parents, but not on American soil. And before you say it, McCain was not born in the American Canal Zone. He was born in a Panamanian hospital.

Many people think there is a difference between a “Natural Born Citizen”, a Citizen, and a Naturalized Citizen. Otherwise why would it be specifically mentioned in the Constitution.

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posted on 03/09/2013 8:21:27 AM PST
by chaosagent
(Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)

Children of American citizens born overseas are indisputably American citizens. Its a question of their being natural born citizens, as called for in the Constitution as a prerequisite to presidential eligibility that is in dispute.

Exactly.

And, by our currently popular standard definition of natural born citizenship, that child would also be a natural born of whatever country s/he was born in, just as anchor babies are said to be natural born citizens of this country.

The slippery slope tells me that eventually, the UN will make everyone a natural born citizen and anyone can be president.

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posted on 03/09/2013 8:27:57 AM PST
by GBA
(Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)

My husband is a soldier and we were stationed in Germany at the time of my son’s birth. I was told by the US Embassy when we received his “American Citizen Born Abroad” birth certificate that the ONLY thing he couldn’t do was become POTUS.

So yeah. Tough cookies. He’s not a natural born citizen.

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posted on 03/09/2013 8:30:38 AM PST
by Marie
("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")

Some of you birther people are just head cases. Getting somewhere? It's like your determined to find people who aren't ineligible to run for President. Ted Cruz is an excellent Senator and absolutely someone who may have a presidential future. Fox News is very likely WRONG in this case.

The TLDR version is that Cruz has an American mother so he's obviously an American citizen, and people with similar birth situations (outside the US) such as McCain and George Romney would have been eligible if they had won. So far no one has challenged a presidential candidate born outside of the United States. I think Ted Cruz is probably eligible and based on what I've seen so far, I hope at some point he runs and wins.

Sarah Palin is a natural-born citizen because her parents were US citizens, even though she was born in Idaho, which was not US territory, let alone a state, at the time the Constitution was adopted.

Charles Francis Adams, a son of John Quincy Adams, was almost nominated for President in 1872 by the Liberal Republicans (the anti-Grant faction) but lost out to Horace Greeley. His mother was born in London in 1775 to an American father and an English mother. His supporters in 1872 clearly did not see him as disqualified.

Sean Hannity made a huge blunder the other day and declared Ted Cruz a natural born citizen because he was born to a American mother in Canada. He was so wrong. Cruz is a 14th Amendment U.S. 'statutory' (not natural born)

LOL! Everyone talks about 'natural born' yet acts as if it only takes a single parent to make a baby.

Cruz is a statutory citizen, but not a 14th Amendment one. 14th Amendment statutory citizens stem from a perversion of the purpose of the Amendment itself in the mid 1960's. Despite what Congress syas, children of foreigners are NOT Citizens of the United States under the Original Intent of the 14th Amednment.

Natural born refers to your natural parents. Cruz's natural parents were Cuban and American, so he was a dual citizen at birth and became a naturalized American when he chose which nationality he would claim upon reaching the age of majority.

He is not eligible for the Office of President...although I sincerely wish he was.

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posted on 03/09/2013 8:33:55 AM PST
by MamaTexan
(To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)

In your scenario, your child would be born a U.S. citizen, just not eligible to fill the office of President. For that he must be born in the U.S. to two naturalized American citizens. Though not defined within the Constitution itself, the term “naturalized citizen” historically has come to be defined as “born within the Republic”.

“And, by our currently popular standard definition of natural born citizenship, that child would also be a natural born of whatever country s/he was born in, just as anchor babies are said to be natural born citizens of this country.”

That is something we must fight to stop from happening. It goes against our founders original intent.

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