[Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2009-01-07

From: inode0 <inode0 gmail com>

To: fedora-ambassadors-list redhat com

Subject: [Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2009-01-07

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 00:22:21 -0600

(08:00:08 PM) inode0: FAmNA meeting time
(08:00:17 PM) ianweller: woo
(08:00:17 PM) QuickStart: yea
(08:00:21 PM) jsmidt: yea!
(08:00:22 PM) inode0: Roll call ... please .fas yourself to help me out
(08:00:23 PM) QuickStart: up high
(08:00:31 PM) QuickStart: .fas luisotero2
(08:00:32 PM) zodbot: QuickStart: luisotero2 '' <luisoterofc9 gmail com>
(08:00:37 PM) herlo has changed the topic to: FAmNA Meeting Now -
Agenda https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2009-01-06
(08:00:54 PM) ianweller: .fas ianweller
(08:00:55 PM) zodbot: ianweller: ianweller 'Ian Weller' <ianweller gmail com>
(08:01:06 PM) jsmidt: .fas jsmidt
(08:01:07 PM) zodbot: jsmidt: 'jsmidt' Not Found!
(08:01:12 PM) jsmidt: boo!
(08:01:17 PM) herlo: .fas herlo
(08:01:18 PM) zodbot: herlo: herlo 'Clint Savage' <herlo1 gmail com>
(08:01:22 PM) ianweller: and that's why .fas sucks for meetings ^_^
(08:01:30 PM) jds2001: .fas jstanley
(08:01:31 PM) zodbot: jds2001: jstanley 'Jon Stanley' <jonstanley gmail com>
(08:01:49 PM) inode0: add something to just give me the fas name
(08:02:25 PM) inode0: Announcements
(08:02:33 PM) inode0: FUDconF11 is soonish
(08:03:06 PM) herlo: you mean like Friday?
(08:03:17 PM) inode0: Congratulations to fugolini and kital for
new/old FAmSCo positions
(08:03:22 PM) QuickStart: yep woohoo of course I wont be there
(08:03:27 PM) jds2001: soonish would be 2-3 weeks away :)
(08:03:32 PM) jds2001: soon is friday :)
(08:04:09 PM) inode0: Only agenda item tonight is Event Box - Audio
(08:04:28 PM) inode0: This came up during the board public meeting today
(08:04:40 PM) ianweller: (for the record i have an agenda item to
interject whenever convienient, prolly at the end)
(08:04:50 PM) jds2001: right, was thinking we could use lessons
learned from fudcon.
(08:04:52 PM) ***herlo is excited
(08:04:55 PM) inode0: ianweller: go add it to the agenda
(08:05:05 PM) inode0: :)
(08:05:12 PM) ***lcafiero apologizes for being late
(08:05:38 PM) inode0: ok, so there is a desire and funding available
to add some audio gear to event boxes
(08:05:38 PM) ianweller: (actually this will fit better under open floor)
(08:05:46 PM) herlo: for what?
(08:05:56 PM) QuickStart: live broadcast?
(08:06:16 PM) inode0: to move toward allowing those not present to
participate in meetings/events remotely
(08:06:40 PM) QuickStart: yeah that is cool
(08:07:10 PM) herlo: inode0: how so?
(08:07:25 PM) inode0: The hope now is that herlo will just volunteer
to follow up on this during and after FUDcon and find suitable gear to
buy with Q4 funds
(08:07:32 PM) ianweller: are we also going to include instructions on
connecting it to whatever streaming server herlo invents?
(08:07:44 PM) herlo: ianweller: I would hope so
(08:07:51 PM) ianweller: yeah so would i ;)
(08:07:58 PM) ianweller: otherwise, what use
(08:08:01 PM) jds2001: herlo: what about darkice?
(08:08:05 PM) herlo: ianweller: icecast has that funcationality already
(08:08:11 PM) ***jds2001 not entirely sure what that does.
(08:08:12 PM) herlo: jds2001: darkice is the client
(08:08:16 PM) inode0: I think I'd rather the technical questions and
strategic planning be done with the board people who brought this up
(08:08:17 PM) jds2001: ahhhh
(08:08:21 PM) ianweller: herlo: i thought you were putting icecast on
fedora infra
(08:08:34 PM) herlo: ianweller: I am thinking that's why it got
brought up by the board
(08:08:44 PM) ***herlo hasn't seen the log yet though so i don't know how
(08:09:08 PM) inode0: It came up after someone mentioned how nice it
would be to sit in on a meeting without being in the same location
(08:09:17 PM) herlo: inode0: I'm not clear how putting audio equip
into the eventbox helps sharing media
(08:09:21 PM) QuickStart: how soon will we now if the audio is up
(08:09:24 PM) herlo: with those who can't make it
(08:09:38 PM) inode0: but it was the board's idea to add stuff to the event box
(08:09:40 PM) ***ke4qqq is late
(08:09:55 PM) inode0: I think it might just the the start or part of a
bigger plan
(08:10:11 PM) inode0: I'm not equipped to explain their thinking
tonight though, sorry
(08:10:24 PM) QuickStart: i c
(08:10:41 PM) herlo: inode0: that's fine
(08:10:47 PM) jds2001: maybe the eventbox isn't the right place
(08:10:49 PM) herlo: I was just curious of the rationale behind it
(08:10:57 PM) jds2001: but rahter some sort of "SupaEventBox"
(08:11:04 PM) herlo: I think there's value of having audio in the EventBox
(08:11:07 PM) inode0: Let's just let herlo ping the relevant parties
after reading the transcript and work with them to do something
appropriate
(08:11:15 PM) herlo: I will for sure :)
(08:11:34 PM) inode0: great, I'll add a vague task for that
(08:11:54 PM) QuickStart: well let me know how it turns out for setup
(08:12:00 PM) jds2001: will hopefully get more concrete after fudcon
(08:12:04 PM) inode0: which brings us to tasks if ianweller is waiting
for the open floor
(08:12:13 PM) QuickStart: Can someone video tap the setup
(08:12:14 PM) QuickStart: ?
(08:12:32 PM) jds2001: setup of what?
(08:12:36 PM) inode0: mmcgrath agreed to visit with us on our 2/3 meeting
(08:12:42 PM) herlo: QuickStart: video is being done at FUDCon
(08:12:54 PM) QuickStart: sweet can't wait to watch the footage
(08:13:01 PM) inode0: which task is this?
(08:13:03 PM) QuickStart: jds2001 setup of audio in eventbox
(08:13:47 PM) ***herlo has a couple small things to mention when
ianweller is done
(08:13:50 PM) inode0: back to tasks, are there any others who have
anything to report
(08:14:00 PM) ianweller: oh my turn?
(08:14:07 PM) jds2001: not quite yet
(08:14:08 PM) inode0: no
(08:14:11 PM) ianweller: ok.'
(08:14:21 PM) ***ianweller is getting beeps ;)
(08:14:33 PM) inode0: oops, I completed the cleanup task for the 4
month backlog of meeting pages to the extent I could
(08:14:52 PM) ke4qqq: ?
(08:14:54 PM) ***ianweller applauds momentarily
(08:15:17 PM) inode0: the meeting pages were not kept up, no links, no
participants, etc.
(08:15:31 PM) ***QuickStart ovation
(08:15:38 PM) jds2001: ke4qqq: us north americans aint so formal
around these parts.
(08:15:46 PM) herlo: yeah, I can be blamed for much of the lack of
links and such
(08:15:50 PM) ke4qqq: did all of those go to the Meeting: namespace?
(08:15:54 PM) ke4qqq: so can I
(08:16:03 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: if you have logs from the last couple
you ran I couldn't find them
(08:16:29 PM) ***QuickStart puts on Drill Sargent Swag and yells' drop
and give me twenty' to all na ambassadors
(08:16:33 PM) ***QuickStart kids
(08:16:34 PM) inode0: links https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings
(08:16:47 PM) jds2001: i have logs going all the way back.
(08:16:58 PM) jds2001: well to about the beginning of 2008
(08:17:12 PM) ke4qqq: I'll see if I have logs.....but jds2001 sounds
like a canonical source
(08:17:16 PM) jds2001: so if any are needed i should have them.
(08:17:36 PM) ***ianweller puts on his docs hat
(08:17:39 PM) inode0: 11/04 is one example - perhaps I just couldn't
find the email of the log, I did find a summary
(08:17:52 PM) ianweller: so umm not to add more annoyance to ya guys,
but all the meetings are supposed to be moved into the Meetings:
namespace relatively soonish.
(08:18:08 PM) ***dowdle is late... new dude from Montana.
(08:18:13 PM) QuickStart: well if you need someone to work I volunteer
(08:18:19 PM) jds2001: dowdle: welcome
(08:18:21 PM) QuickStart: I can do about a month
(08:18:25 PM) ke4qqq: welcome dowdle
(08:18:30 PM) inode0: ianweller: how will that annoy us?
(08:18:33 PM) QuickStart: +1
(08:18:35 PM) herlo: welcome dowdle
(08:18:44 PM) ke4qqq: ianweller: hence my question earlier - we can
prolly get wikibot to do it for us though
(08:18:45 PM) ianweller: inode0: oh i thought you had also moved pages
in addition to that.
(08:18:56 PM) ianweller: ke4qqq: why, yes you can! /me points
*everybody* to wikirename.git
(08:18:59 PM) herlo: that doesn't take long
(08:19:01 PM) ianweller: but i'll talk more about that at fudcon.
(08:19:18 PM) inode0: I move nothing, I only create a mess
(08:19:26 PM) ke4qqq: what perms are needed for write access to wikirename.git?
(08:19:48 PM) ianweller: ke4qqq: you only have to be in any hosted project
(08:20:04 PM) ianweller: if you're not, you need access somehow on the
server, so you can apply to gitwikirename. but that's not necessary if
you have other hosted rights
(08:20:08 PM) ke4qqq: ahhh cool I'll try and get that completed by end
of Fudcon for our meetings
(08:20:17 PM) inode0: ok, are there any other task list items to be
reported on tonight?
(08:20:40 PM) herlo: hi
(08:20:44 PM) ianweller: ke4qqq: you might do a reimport of any more
pages that have cropped up since G_work did a prefixindex dump
(08:20:48 PM) jds2001: .fasinfo ke4qqq
(08:20:49 PM) zodbot: jds2001: User: ke4qqq, Name: David Nalley,
email: david gnsa us, Creation: 2006-02-21, IRC Nick: ke4qqq,
Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5100435
(08:20:50 PM) zodbot: jds2001: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs
docs ambassadors marketing news cla_fedora famsco gitrelease-notes
gitelectionsguide gitinstall-guide
(08:20:51 PM) zodbot: jds2001: Unapproved Groups: None
(08:20:59 PM) herlo: I don't have any tasks to report, but I do have
something to mention
(08:21:01 PM) jds2001: yeah, you can just commit ke4qqq
(08:21:18 PM) ke4qqq: cool
(08:21:31 PM) inode0: ok, let's move to open floor and start with herlo
(08:21:45 PM) herlo: yay!
(08:22:01 PM) herlo: I'm just here to mention that I got an email
about the media box
(08:22:07 PM) herlo: from Axelilly
(08:22:19 PM) herlo: he was interested in getting a wiki page up
(08:22:33 PM) herlo: so I pointed him to the AmbassadorKit wiki page
(08:22:37 PM) herlo: but I had a question
(08:23:21 PM) herlo: I want to print a bunch of media box papers for
anyone to create at FUDCon, is this a good idea?
(08:23:44 PM) ianweller: i don't see why not
(08:23:46 PM) herlo: thing is, I wanted to kind of personalize them
(08:23:48 PM) ke4qqq: is it something you can offload to mo?
(08:23:51 PM) QuickStart: It would be good
(08:23:54 PM) ke4qqq: and reduce travel weight?
(08:23:54 PM) herlo: it's not hard
(08:24:00 PM) herlo: it's only paper
(08:24:04 PM) QuickStart: just get the list of those heading to FUDCon
(08:24:08 PM) herlo: but personalization woudl be nice
(08:24:14 PM) herlo: QuickStart: good idea
(08:24:22 PM) herlo: I can create some for those who are on the roster
(08:24:28 PM) QuickStart: I"m just saying you can save money that way
(08:24:44 PM) inode0: speaking of money I have one more thing too
(08:24:47 PM) ke4qqq: make ianweller do his bizcard magic to the form
(08:24:53 PM) herlo: eh, I don't mind printing it, as I have a color laserjet
(08:25:09 PM) QuickStart: sweet
(08:25:25 PM) herlo: who here wants a personalized media box?
(08:25:44 PM) ***jds2001
(08:25:45 PM) inode0: who doesn't?
(08:25:48 PM) QuickStart: true
(08:25:56 PM) ianweller: i also want some nice media to hand out too ;)
(08:25:57 PM) herlo: I need names
(08:26:08 PM) ***lcafiero thanks herlo for his gracious offer, but
I'll make one of my own.
(08:26:12 PM) dowdle: herlo: It isn't too hard to tape on a card or
piece of paper with Ambassador contact info after the fact so I don't
think it is that important to have personalized boxes.
(08:26:13 PM) herlo: ianweller: hehe, that's coming, I have 500 pieces
I'm bringing
(08:26:24 PM) ianweller: herlo: you deserve a high five.
(08:26:32 PM) inode0: maybe ping the list ... if you will be at FUDcon
and want one ...?
(08:26:34 PM) herlo: ianweller: hehe
(08:26:36 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: I am bringing media if it's too much to carry
(08:26:40 PM) jsmidt: I'll have to make my own too, I won't be at fudcon
(08:26:42 PM) ***jds2001 points herlo to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:FUDCon_Boston_2009_preregistrantshttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:FUDCon_Boston_2009_preregistrants
(08:26:51 PM) jds2001: er
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:FUDCon_Boston_2009_preregistrants
(08:26:54 PM) jds2001: just one :)
(08:26:57 PM) ianweller: inode0: i think he should get a potato gun,
but fitted for CDs.
(08:27:02 PM) ianweller: just shoot 'em into the crowd
(08:27:04 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: ooh, okay, I was hoping to bring DVDs
(08:27:10 PM) QuickStart: sweet I would hed there just to see that in action
(08:27:21 PM) ke4qqq: ohhh cool, I'll bring livecds if you bring dvds
(08:27:22 PM) herlo: I'll bring them if I can
(08:27:23 PM) jds2001: QuickStart: just in boston, not far
(08:27:27 PM) dowdle: herlo: Are they updated respins that are
current? Or the original media?
(08:27:33 PM) herlo: original
(08:27:38 PM) herlo: anyway, I have one other thing
(08:27:40 PM) jds2001: no respins have yet been produced.
(08:27:41 PM) ***ke4qqq hears echos from last week
(08:27:42 PM) dowdle: herlo: Blech. Make new ones.
(08:27:44 PM) inode0: not like they are ancient yet :)
(08:27:47 PM) herlo: dowdle: no
(08:27:56 PM) ke4qqq: dowdle: 12000 respins aren't cool
(08:27:57 PM) dowdle: herlo: Making a new one takes like an hour.
(08:27:59 PM) herlo: respins aren't official
(08:28:01 PM) ke4qqq: they are ancient in a month
(08:28:08 PM) ke4qqq: gold is good for 6 months
(08:28:08 PM) herlo: and we've already ordered them
(08:28:08 PM) QuickStart: true but no money
(08:28:15 PM) QuickStart: guess field trip is in order
(08:28:16 PM) herlo: anyway
(08:28:28 PM) herlo: I was talking with ke4qqq earlier tonight
(08:28:29 PM) dowdle: herlo: Having install media where 25 - 75% of
the packages get updated after install is very crappy.
(08:28:29 PM) inode0: let's move on, we have the media
(08:28:38 PM) QuickStart: true to respin now would be a set back since
11 is out soon
(08:28:41 PM) ***dowdle shuts up.
(08:28:45 PM) inode0: then don't take one dowdle
(08:29:02 PM) herlo: and we decided it would be cool to put large
posters of the Fedora logo in our Hotel windows at the Marriott
(08:29:11 PM) ke4qqq: dowdle: it costs us a fortune and 3 weeks to get
media - we are doing good to get gold produced timely - we are happy
for others to bring solutions to the problem
(08:29:42 PM) dowdle: ke4qqq: Well I'm not going to the event in
question so my opinion doesn't matter. I'm so used to just burning
media myself.
(08:29:50 PM) QuickStart: how bout making a big logo out of the windows
(08:29:57 PM) QuickStart: ??
(08:29:59 PM) inode0: dowdle: these media are used at all events
(08:30:16 PM) ke4qqq: dowdle: when you hand a 1000 pieces out at a
single event that's not practical
(08:30:22 PM) inode0: when people bring respins to distribute they are
there as a choice too
(08:30:45 PM) herlo: k, I want to bring up my other topic, can we
discuss that after?
(08:30:58 PM) inode0: are you ready to leave this one?
(08:31:10 PM) ke4qqq: we are leaving signs?
(08:31:17 PM) ke4qqq: or moving into signs?
(08:31:18 PM) herlo: no
(08:31:20 PM) herlo: moving
(08:31:21 PM) herlo: to
(08:31:25 PM) ke4qqq: signs?
(08:31:28 PM) herlo: nobody commented
(08:31:32 PM) herlo: it was all about media
(08:31:42 PM) ke4qqq: ok - so several things
(08:31:46 PM) lcafiero: signs in the window at hotel = +1
(08:31:46 PM) inode0: yeah, sounds cool, what is the question?
(08:31:47 PM) herlo: I wanted to know if anyone else was interested in
doing signs in their windows too
(08:31:49 PM) ke4qqq: one - we need to have someone handing out said signs
(08:31:56 PM) dowdle: ke4qqq: Smaller batches more often... but I'll
be happy to discuss this another time... as I'm beeing obnoixous
otherwise.
(08:31:57 PM) ke4qqq: with tape
(08:32:11 PM) herlo: yeah, I'll bring tape for the first day of the hackfest
(08:32:25 PM) herlo: I only wonder if we should od it at Kinkos on Thursday
(08:32:29 PM) herlo: wouldn't take long
(08:32:29 PM) QuickStart: got an Idea
(08:32:43 PM) QuickStart: make a huge blow up of Fedora logo and cut
it window size
(08:32:54 PM) ***lcafiero will be back shortly.
(08:32:57 PM) QuickStart: and get rooms nearby
(08:33:05 PM) herlo: QuickStart: lol, if only we had time
(08:33:08 PM) QuickStart: put the pieces in the windows in order and
people will get the idea
(08:33:10 PM) herlo: printing paper is easier
(08:33:20 PM) QuickStart: I have the sissors if you have the paper
(08:33:22 PM) QuickStart: lol
(08:33:35 PM) herlo: but I like the idea
(08:33:43 PM) QuickStart: true
(08:33:52 PM) QuickStart: that would be good for the memory album
(08:33:52 PM) herlo: anyway, that's all I had. Whos interested? and
should I do it at Kinkos in Boston?
(08:34:04 PM) jds2001: when do you get to Boston?
(08:34:28 PM) inode0: absolutely, I imagine a lot of people would join
in after seeing them or hearing about them
(08:34:41 PM) ke4qqq: YES!! and being offered them.
(08:34:42 PM) herlo: I arrive at 11am on Thurs
(08:34:50 PM) ***ke4qqq should be there around 10 or 11am
(08:34:55 PM) QuickStart: sweets
(08:35:07 PM) herlo: I'll do a bunch of prints then on Thursday there.
I can create it tomorrow then...
(08:35:08 PM) jds2001: herlo: cool, I arrive about 5PM
(08:35:16 PM) inode0: perfect
(08:35:29 PM) ***inode0 raises his hand
(08:35:48 PM) ***inode0 and hasn't forgotten ianweller, saving the best for last
(08:36:00 PM) ianweller: i forgot what i was going to ask
(08:36:39 PM) inode0: there is great interest in spending more Q4
funds on permanent items, please if you have such items in mind let's
move forward with those
(08:36:56 PM) inode0: so banners and such for the event boxes would be
one good thing
(08:37:01 PM) herlo: inode0: I'm done
(08:37:12 PM) jds2001: done with?
(08:37:14 PM) inode0: herlo: sorry, I thought you were already done :)
(08:37:14 PM) ke4qqq: where is said interest coming from?
(08:37:24 PM) herlo: :)
(08:37:25 PM) herlo: nw
stickster StillBob
(08:37:31 PM) inode0: spevack and stickster
(08:37:33 PM) jds2001: ke4qqq: spevack seemed interesting in teh
public meeting today
(08:37:41 PM) jds2001: s/interesting/interested
(08:37:46 PM) inode0: not talking about our current Q4 budget, other funds
(08:37:54 PM) ke4qqq: right, but does that mean we get more funds -
seems we are pretty tight as it is
(08:37:59 PM) ***ke4qqq will have to read the minutes
(08:38:22 PM) inode0: it means if we ask max to buy permanent stuff he
may find other funds to do that with
(08:38:41 PM) herlo: nice
(08:39:15 PM) inode0: but it needs to be in Q4, so there isn't that much time
(08:39:28 PM) ***herlo orders the world
(08:39:58 PM) inode0: I'm done with that, just wanted everyone to know
about it and give it some thought
(08:40:09 PM) inode0: ianweller has the floor
(08:41:36 PM) ***inode0 whistles and does some dishes waiting
(08:42:22 PM) inode0: guess he really did forget
(08:42:39 PM) jds2001: ianweller:
(08:42:39 PM) jds2001: ianweller:
(08:42:40 PM) jds2001: ianweller:
(08:42:41 PM) jds2001: ianweller:
(08:42:45 PM) ianweller: hi
(08:42:46 PM) ianweller: i forgot.
(08:42:48 PM) ianweller: seriously.
(08:42:53 PM) ianweller: nothing to see here
(08:43:03 PM) inode0: remember then and that problem is solved
(08:43:04 PM) ***ianweller should've put it on the wiki. lol
(08:43:08 PM) inode0: be a problem solver ianweller
(08:43:11 PM) ianweller: lol
(08:43:35 PM) inode0: ok, there is next week and we are always you know where
(08:43:48 PM) inode0: was it about the book by any chance?
(08:44:11 PM) ke4qqq: or fudcon related
(08:44:23 PM) ***QuickStart forgot to get a copy of Spider
(08:44:34 PM) ke4qqq: QuickStart: amazon.com
(08:44:40 PM) QuickStart: true
(08:44:41 PM) inode0: starfish, the spider is bad
(08:44:58 PM) ke4qqq: the spider is cutoff in the end (oops spoiler)
(08:45:12 PM) QuickStart: man well don't have to read it now
(08:45:14 PM) QuickStart: lol
(08:45:32 PM) inode0: ok, are there any other fudcon items from anyone
since that is soonish
(08:45:47 PM) ianweller: inode0: oh yeah, book!
(08:45:51 PM) ***ke4qqq will bring media
(08:45:56 PM) ianweller: yeah uh my announcement was bring your
cameras to fudcon.
(08:45:58 PM) ianweller: that is all.
(08:46:00 PM) ***ke4qqq notes ianweller is too late
(08:46:14 PM) ***ianweller sulks appropriately
(08:46:32 PM) inode0: oh, that should be in the annoucement segment of
the program ianweller, this is for discussion :)
(08:46:51 PM) ianweller: inode0: what are you doing, trying to be
organized? that's mad!
(08:46:53 PM) ianweller: :P
(08:47:00 PM) inode0: you write the summaries :)
(08:47:02 PM) QuickStart: oh and on additional info for all
(08:47:20 PM) QuickStart: more megapixels doesn't mean that you have
better quality
(08:47:26 PM) QuickStart: thats it for
(08:47:27 PM) QuickStart: me
(08:47:30 PM) inode0: ok
(08:47:44 PM) inode0: last call before we move on to the countdown
(08:48:12 PM) inode0: thank you all for coming as always, your
participation is, uh, important
(08:49:15 PM) inode0: remember first meeting next month we will have
an infrastructure guest to help us understand that aspect of fedora
better
(08:49:25 PM) inode0: 5
(08:49:28 PM) inode0: 4
(08:49:31 PM) inode0: 3
(08:49:34 PM) inode0: 2
(08:49:38 PM) inode0: 1
(08:49:50 PM) inode0: thanks again everyone, see some of you this weekend
(08:49:53 PM) inode0: EOF