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Posted: 7th Oct 2006hey guys,, i dont know if theres a post here allready on this, but ive been playing with it for a while now, and i think ive finally come to a conclusion with it,, so bear with me .. lol

ok so ive been thinking about inverted airwraps and the such,,like,,attacking airwraps / hyperloops from same side but different angles for different effects.

you kno like a airwrap`s exagerated planes make a upside down V infront of ya?... well make it do a proper V shape then connect it and its kinda flops out undeneath it equaling in a "inverted" airwrap. the easiest way to describe it is,,,(with help of Goldies magic V theory )

get two sets of socks,, put one set down on the floor infront of you,,making a upside down v shape,, then line up your planes spinning same direction over the one on the floor,,and connect it and it should make a normal airwrap.

now change the poi on the floor to make a V shape,,and line up your poi over those, spinning same direction and connect it this makes a inverted out airwrap.

so essentially, the V shape is made from the poi heads and the nexus.

or another way to describe it is the normal airwrap goes from outside plane to inside plane, the inside out one, goes from inside to outside.

still following? lol,

using that same principle, try doing a simular thing with, hyperloops and it makes a very weird hype indeed. I think they are 'odd beat tangles` all though its kinda hard to visualise what is actually going on,

firstly i`ll map out all the normal hyperloops, and then the ones possible with the inverted entry.

note* R - right / L - left

Normal Hyperloops

forward hype R to Lforward hype L to R

reverse hype R to Lreverse hype L to R

now things get weird :PInverted Hyperloops

forward inverted hype, R to Rforward inverted hype, L to L

reverse inverted hype, R to Rreverse inverted hype, L to L

(where R to R and L to L means it will enter and exit on the same side Wink )

the easiest way to describe what happens is, imagine you connect your poi for a hyperloop, and it goes into the middle, for the four beats or whatever it is, then it proceeds to roll across your body and exit on the other side of where you entered it right?...

well when you do the inverted entry, the poi go into the middle for the four beats (it may be a odd beat tho Confused ) then you take it back the way it entered to exit the move, lol..

so effectivly there are another 4 hyperloops possible eh ? tell me what you think guys

Posted: 7th Oct 2006
i know what you mean (which is the important part, and your post is very clear which is also good) , however describing it as an inverted hyperloop is an abuse of terminoledgy i reckon... but that dosnt really matter, just add to the confusion a little bit

my defintion of inverted is when the pole of each poi are facing each other.

the pole is an imaginary line through your hand perpendicular to the plane the poi is spinning in.

defintion of hyperloop is a tangle with an inverted part.

an airwrap is a tangle with no inverted part.

in same direction moves the tangle forms in one outside plane and exits in the opposite one.

so the difference between your normal hyperloop and your inverted one is that the planes that it exits and enters on are swopped.

thats how it all makes sense to me anyway

but i still think your post and video are nice and clear

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so the difference between your normal hyperloop and your inverted one is that the planes that it exits and enters on are swopped.

they dont swap tho do they?.. its entering on one side and exiting the same side it enters? hmm now im confused lol.. sorry about the abuse of terminology,,i dont really kno what to call it,, was thinking of calling it a inside out hyperloop..but unsure now,,

ok, i see exactly what you mean, it is the exact same tangle etc,, but your not entering it just like turning 180 tho are ya?.. its like,,your manipulating the planes to a point where you get the effect of a 180 style airwrap or whatever,,but from the opposite side,,ya kno?..hmm this is confusing me alot now..?

im going to review my terminology,, i`ll be the first to admit that i kno sweet fa when it comes to names,, but ill av a gander thro some more threads me thinks,,:)..thanks for the input guys,,much apprieciated EDITED_BY: gizmo2009 (1160249569)

By doing the 'inside to outside' tangle you are going from 1 'side' to the other, ie 1 side of the nexus to the other.

However, (nb i've not watched your vid but we were chatting about this the other day) i think the confusion lies in your definition of the word 'Side'. You are using it in terms of 'Side' of your body.

But this is a pretty advanced move, and the only importance is which side of the nexus you are entering and exiting from.

You are effectively entering the tangle from the Right side of your body, using the LEFT side of the nexus. (or vise versa)

That's why they feel odd, and kinda 'inverted'. But like richee says, a tangle is a type of inversion.

oh yeah, richee it took me a while to figure this out, it makes a lot more sense if you put some kind of space inbetween the numbers:

(As a side note, Richee this is the same way of describing tangles as i use, however there comes a problem. You are using +1 and -1 to describe 1 twist and 1 untwist, this is great, but only for even numbered tangles, cos sometimes you change the leading poi which means you'd have eg +0.5 so sometimes i use +2 0 -2 where 2 = 2 half twists (ie 1 circle) )

please guys forget i said inverted,,the word dont matter to me, it was a word that i felt fitted into somehow explaining what i meant lol..

the main thing that im trying to get across here, is that it connects on my right side of my body, goes into buzzsaw then exits on the right side again,, honestly! im sure it does, unless my eyes decieve me when i do it lol.

matt you need to teach me how to read all that +1 0 -1 stuff,, is it like this?..

a normal inf hyperloop with one added twist and one taken back off would be...-1 0 +1 ??