I don't know about online, but there are some very good textbooks out there if you are interested in going that route.

If you are learning on your own and more for your own personal enjoyment, Colloquial Croatian published by Routledge is probably your best route. It uses the new words and the new orthography and is "pure" Croatian. But that is a whole debate right there.

Thanks, I'll give them a look. I am mostly trying to learn for personal edification and connecting to some of my roots. I don't know yet if I am wanting to become fluent or just learn some tidbits. And since I am exceedingly busy trying to complete my degree, this venture will probably be postponed for a couple of years - but I can be collecting resources now.

Thanks again.

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Thanks, I'll give them a look. I am mostly trying to learn for personal edification and connecting to some of my roots. I don't know yet if I am wanting to become fluent or just learn some tidbits. And since I am exceedingly busy trying to complete my degree, this venture will probably be postponed for a couple of years - but I can be collecting resources now.

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Brother Coder ...the first thing i learned of another language was all the bad words first...for some reason the bad words come easy....the good words seem harder to learn ....stashko

Yeah, and if you go to someone other than an accredited school or a good book it seems that they immediately want to teach you all the bad words.

Brother coder;Have you thought of getting a translation book.say if you were going as a tourist to visit croatia ,,start with just basic words fala[thank you] sta je ovo[what is that] koliko je sati[what time is it] ...i my self am going to get a serbian/Croatian book to inprove my language also ,,i speak serbian but not the educated level..i call it steet serbian,,though when i speak i think in serbian ....i have a lot of Croatian friends ..my sister lived in ocek croatia almost all her life ,,she passed away there in 1999..5 weeks after my mom...memory eternal ...brat stashko

Brother coder;Have you thought of getting a translation book.say if you were going as a tourist to visit croatia ,,start with just basic words fala[thank you] sta je ovo[what is that] koliko je sati[what time is it] ...i my self am going to get a serbian/Croatian book to inprove my language also ,,i speak serbian but not the educated level..i call it steet serbian,,though when i speak i think in serbian ....i have a lot of Croatian friends ..my sister lived in ocek croatia almost all her life ,,she passed away there in 1999..5 weeks after my mom...memory eternal ...brat stashko

When I get around to it I probably will get a dictionary and grammer and go from there. I did learn just enough of the basics to do some genealogy for the one side of my family. I understand there is a Croatian group in my immediate area, and I am acquainted with the local Pastor of the Croatian Catholic Church where my grandmother was raised in, so if I ever get my act together, I may be able to get some one-on-one help.

For street any-language you need to know essentially two phrases: 1) where is the bathroom and 2) don't shoot, I'm a (insert ally nation here).

Eternal rest for you sister and mother. I couldn't locate Ocek on a map, where is it located?

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Brother coder;Have you thought of getting a translation book.say if you were going as a tourist to visit croatia ,,start with just basic words fala[thank you] sta je ovo[what is that] koliko je sati[what time is it] ...i my self am going to get a serbian/Croatian book to inprove my language also ,,i speak serbian but not the educated level..i call it steet serbian,,though when i speak i think in serbian ....i have a lot of Croatian friends ..my sister lived in ocek croatia almost all her life ,,she passed away there in 1999..5 weeks after my mom...memory eternal ...brat stashko

Brother;It could be spelled osek i believe around the bosnian border[granica]some were...i will ask my friend zdenko or mate which ever i see first ..the word mate is a short version of Matthew in serbian and Croatian ....stashko

Brother;It could be spelled osek i believe around the bosnian border[granica]some were...i will ask my friend zdenko or mate which ever i see first ..the word mate is a short version of Matthew in serbian and Croatian ....stashko

My searches are saying that Osek is another name for Osijek in the eastern part of the country - about 10 miles from the Serbian border (Latitude 45º 33' 5" N - Longitude 18º 40' 53" E).

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Hello,My searches are saying that Osek is another name for Osijek in the eastern part of the country - about 10 miles from the Serbian border (Latitude 45º 33' 5" N - Longitude 18º 40' 53" E).

Brother i suspected i was spelling it wrong ,,,i did see it on the map ..thats were she lived and passed away .the country croatia goes around bosnia like a C,,if im right it touches serbia around vojvodina ...stasko

Brother i suspected i was spelling it wrong ,,,i did see it on the map ..thats were she lived and passed away .the country croatia goes around bosnia like a C,,if im right it touches serbia around vojvodina ...stasko

Before coming to America, my great-grandfather was from Zagreb, and my great-grandmother was from Pribić (about 10-15 miles west of Zagreb).

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Brother i suspected i was spelling it wrong ,,,i did see it on the map ..thats were she lived and passed away .the country croatia goes around bosnia like a C,,if im right it touches serbia around vojvodina ...stasko

the city ljubljana is slovenija .. i do see germany above slovenija also hungry above serbia also romania on the right side of sebia ...though the sloveija is slavic speaking i swear there heavily influenced by german culture..thy wear literhosen like the germans ,,,stashko

Before coming to America, my great-grandfather was from Zagreb, and my great-grandmother was from Pribić (about 10-15 miles west of Zagreb).

Brother did you ever visit croatia it's beautiful the Adriatic coast ...i never been any were there ..i was born in germany also my brother and sisters other than the one sister perka born in bosnia raised by croatians taken from mom during the 2war ....mom was born in bosanski brod bosnia..dad in rashka serbia ..one day God willing I'll visit it all .....stashko

the city ljubljana is slovenija .. i do see germany above slovenija also hungry above serbia also romania on the right side of sebia ...though the sloveija is slavic speaking i swear there heavily influenced by german culture..thy wear literhosen like the germans ,,,stashko

Slovenia (due to geography and history) while a Slavic country has been heavily influenced by both Austria and Italy.

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Brother did you ever visit croatia it's beautiful the Adriatic coast ...i never been any were there ..i was born in germany also my brother and sisters other than the one sister perka born in bosnia raised by croatians taken from mom during the 2war ....mom was born in bosanski brod bosnia..dad in rashka serbia ..one day God willing I'll visit it all .....stashko

Nope, I've never been out of North America. I don't know if I will ever venture to Europe, but I would like to see both Italy and Croatia (and other parts of Europe and the Holy Land).

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I keep noticing you Divine Mercy image humm,,in the Byzantine icon style ...i'm curious if we orthodox recognise it as a authentic icon ...i'll ask the priest this sunday Fr. Miroslav......brat stashko [stanislav]

I'd be interested in his reply. It was written in 1938 in Vilnius, Lithuania (though it was Poland in 1938). It is called by the names "Christ, Divine Mercy" and "Jesus Christ, King of Mercy". A larger image can be seen here. The top arch has writing in Latin - JESU CONFIDO TIBI - Jesus, I trust in You. The red and white symbolize the blood and water that came forth from the side of Christ on the Cross - which is very integral to the Divine Mercy.

If you have any other questions on this icon, let me know (though let's leave discussion on the Divine Mercy devotion itself to the other thread ).

I've also commented on CAF that to me this icon brings together the whole Church. It is done primarily in the Byzantine tradition of iconography of a primarily Latin devotion and to me it has a Coptic/Syriac feel to it (though I can't exactly explain why). And the whole Church constantly implores Christ the King's Mercy.

Also, if your Priest knows where to acquire a copy - I've been hunting all over the world for over a year without luck.

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Hello,I'd be interested in his reply. It was written in 1938 in Vilnius, Lithuania (though it was Poland in 1938). It is called by the names "Christ, Divine Mercy" and "Jesus Christ, King of Mercy". A larger image can be seen here. The top arch has writing in Latin - JESU CONFIDO TIBI - Jesus, I trust in You. The red and white symbolize the blood and water that came forth from the side of Christ on the Cross - which is very integral to the Divine Mercy.

If you have any other questions on this icon, let me know (though let's leave discussion on the Divine Mercy devotion itself to the other thread ).

I've also commented on CAF that to me this icon brings together the whole Church. It is done primarily in the Byzantine tradition of iconography of a primarily Latin devotion and to me it has a Coptic/Syriac feel to it (though I can't exactly explain why). And the whole Church constantly implores Christ the King's Mercy.

Also, if your Priest knows where to acquire a copy - I've been hunting all over the world for over a year without luck.

It is a beautiful image thought like the sacred heart images also to me there beautiful..ill ask see what he says ..again he may not know about the image or the devotion doesn't hurt to ask though ....stashko

Brother;I over slept and missed church ,,,Thank God the Almighty for us Orthodox Christians it's not a mortal or venial sin ,other wise i would of acquired a whole lot of them that i would of had to answer for...But i will ask and i will send a reply to you ...stashko

Brother;I over slept and missed church ,,,Thank God the Almighty for us Orthodox Christians it's not a mortal or venial sin ,other wise i would of acquired a whole lot of them that i would of had to answer for...But i will ask and i will send a reply to you ...stashko

O.K.

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the city ljubljana is slovenija .. i do see germany above slovenija also hungry above serbia also romania on the right side of sebia ...though the sloveija is slavic speaking i swear there heavily influenced by german culture..thy wear literhosen like the germans ,,,stashko

brother;Yes that what i meant to write ,i was born in Germany as a baby i and my brother and two sisters brought here u s a so never learned to speak german ,,,,mom and dad spoke it very well when they were alive....stashko

brother;Yes that what i meant to write ,i was born in Germany as a baby i and my brother and two sisters brought here u s a so never learned to speak german ,,,,mom and dad spoke it very well when they were alive....stashko

God bless !

Slovenija belonged to the Austrian-Hungarian Monarchy so there are many influences from Austria -like "Lederhosen".

As an aside note: In Turkey, I heard tons of people spewing out English curse words, yet if I asked these same people for simple directions (in English), they couldn't help me...

It's so true ..i wounder why most if not all people gravitate so easily for the bad things .or as scriptures says were wise in the ways of the wicked, but ignorant in the ways of goodness ,,walking the straight and narrow is very hard and difficult....stashko

It's so true ..i wounder why most if not all people gravitate so easily for the bad things .or as scriptures says were wise in the ways of the wicked, but ignorant in the ways of goodness ,,walking the straight and narrow is very hard and difficult....stashko

I have my opinion on the answer, but it would take a bit of explaining to get it all out - and it is widely off topic here.

I can't even give a short version, as it would give a false impression of what I thought without me giving the whole spiel.

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Of course, almost everywhere on this planet has its own special kind of beauty - some places have more than others, but all are beautiful (and of course, this is because God made it all and He can create nothing ugly )

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Brother;Is that church still active it looks abandoned though it's a beautiful byzatine style church ...thats the architecture i like in church's ......just some thing about them i like ...stashko

I do not know, unfortunately. I know that there is a pond/river immediately behind the Church, but whether it is active and just needs some exterior cleaning or if it is abandoned all together - I don't know.

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Do the croatians have a lot byzatine or Eastern Catholics..I've yet to meet one ..i only know the ones and the friends that i have are very latin catholic ,to them there is nothing else ...stashko

I don't know percentages. I believe that the majority of Croatians are Catholic, but of what rite - I don't know. I know there is a small eparchy for the Croatian Byzantine Church - the Eparchy of Križevci.

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Hello,Thank you for the site. And of course it shows that despite what some language booksellers will say, Serbian and Croatian are NOT the same language.

I don't quit follow what you mean ...After the 92 bosnian /serbian /croatian war .i was listening to the croatian radio ,,they were very firm in purging all serbian or what they considered serbian words from there launguage...i did notice the have different names for the months and days ,,,but when it comes down to it it's 98% the same ,,they don't use the word telefone/now it brzoglas[fast talk or fast voice] also i wanted to mention serbs have turkish words too that are ours now.... stashko

I don't quit follow what you mean ...After the 92 bosnian /serbian /croatian war .i was listening to the croatian radio ,,they were very firm in purging all serbian or what they considered serbian words from there launguage...i did notice the have different names for the months and days ,,,but when it comes down to it it's 98% the same ,,they don't use the word telefone/now it brzoglas[fast talk or fast voice] also i wanted to mention serbs have turkish words too that are ours now.... stashko

If you go to the bookstore, almost all the language books are titled Serbo-Croatian. But they are not linguistically the same language - at best, they share a dialectical relationship. But as even the site relates:

These languages are sometimes known collectively as Serbo-Croatian, but for political, and not linguistic reasons.

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Hello,If you go to the bookstore, almost all the language books are titled Serbo-Croatian. But they are not linguistically the same language - at best, they share a dialectical relationship. But as even the site relates:

These languages are sometimes known collectively as Serbo-Croatian, but for political, and not linguistic reasons.

Brother how do the croatians say cabbage rolls,in serbian we use the turkish word sarma ,,and corba for soup..kajsh for belt,, kashika for spoon...i believe we were the same people or tribe at one time ,,when christianity was interduced you went west and i went east ,,i guess over time things do change...i really don't mind if the croatian want there own identity and language...i guess it's like hindi india ...urdu pakistan... language pretty much the same some differences...stashko

Brother how do the croatians say cabbage rolls,in serbian we use the turkish word sarma ,,and corba for soup..kajsh for belt,, kashika for spoon...i believe we were the same people or tribe at one time ,,when christianity was interduced you went west and i went east ,,i guess over time things do change...i really don't mind if the croatian want there own identity and language...i guess it's like hindi india ...urdu pakistan... language pretty much the same some differences...stashko

You may be interested in learning and reading about linguistical evolution.

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Hello,You may be interested in learning and reading about linguistical evolution.

Forgive i know the story below has nothing to due with your subject above ..the story is so funny i had to share it with you incase i forget....stashko

We have a very good friend of the family [justina is her name she's croatian ,though she was married to a serb has two daughters by him ,they stayed married till the day he passed away ,,,she attended my dad and moms funeral....after the funeral she said to us i want the same type of funeral for my self ,,and the forty day memorial with the zito/wheat with the blessing of the grave with wine ..i want it all she said ,plus to be buried next to her husband ..I and my family didn't know what to tell her,she her self is still roman catholic but orthodox in heart,,i did mention though ask the Father...I told this story to my croatian friends they were very upset and called her a bad name and a traitor.....stashko

These languages are sometimes known collectively as Serbo-Croatian, but for political, and not linguistic reasons.

Actually it is pretty much the other way around among South Slavic languages, it is politics, and not linguistics, that is behind the new separation of Serbo-Croatian into three (and perhaps four now) standards. The grammatical differences between standard Croatian and standard Serbian are next to nothing. Before the break-up of Yugoslavia the lexical differences were very minimal (probably less lexical differences than between American and British English). Even now it remains to be seen if the Croatian new words will in fact remain in usage. Right now it is almost a sort of diglossia from some of the Croats that I know - if we are talking informally they use almost exclusively old words (i.e "Serbian" or loanwords from English, German or French). There are no objective criteria for what determines what is a language and what is a dialect. For instance under the political influence of pan-Arab nationalism a Moroccan and a Syrian will both emphatically agree that they speak the same language - despite their complete inability to communicate with each other except via a third language (i.e MSA). Whereas a Serb and a Croat who understand one another nearly 100% will claim they speak separate languages (more likely the Croat will insist he speaks only Croatian and that he doesn't understand Serbian... had this happen to me once when I said moram da idem rather than moram ici...and the Serb will claim, but you're speaking Serbian now).