Paragraphs must be asleep. I tell ya it becomes a really boring chore for someone to read a wall of text without any even spacing. But having read it all I say good on you for passing your experiences to the newbies.

Usually when it comes to a learning curve of a certain plane, I'm the type that sticks it through to the end until I've mastered and honed every characteristics of that specific aircraft. Win or loss, as long as I've figured out how the plane feels, thats all that matters in my experiences. Winning comes later when you completely understand what that certain plane can and can't do and using its strengths to your advantage.

Paragraphs must be asleep. I tell ya it becomes a really boring chore for someone to read a wall of text without any even spacing. But having read it all I say good on you for passing your experiences to the newbies.

Usually when it comes to a learning curve of a certain plane, I'm the type that sticks it through to the end until I've mastered and honed every characteristics of that specific aircraft. Win or loss, as long as I've figured out how the plane feels, thats all that matters in my experiences. Winning comes later when you completely understand what that certain plane can and can't do and using its strengths to your advantage.

Nice post Losttwo. +1. Interesting....I may try that sticking with one plane for a number of battles. Typically I hop around from Tier IV thru VI getting the daily doubles and for variety. But I can see flying the same plane for a number of battles is probably better as you get used to the flight characteristics of that plane and therefore play better. I may give this a try.

I do not really have a method to increase my W/R I 'm too chaotic to follow any script. But there are things that you said make sense.

When I play with new aircraft my W/R drops to 55 % ( I'm grinding UK now) and when I play with AC I'm good with myW/R rises to 60 %.

However, the MM does something peculiar. When I play with a plane I'm good, then the MM almost always puts me in a team where players are less experienced. But when I play with a plane that I 'm bad then the MM puts me on a team with more experienced/better players.

So, we can conclude that the MM will always try to put a gamechanger on the weaker side thus giving opportunities for all players thus balancing the game.

The only deviation I notice that MM can not really intervene is when you make a flight with 2 other very good players. This really does change the game and make your rate of W/R climb pretty fast. Because you will have 3 Gamechangers in the same team playing the same tactic and together.

The contrary, when you are alone you could kill 2, 3, 4 sometimes 5 enemies and even maybe you lose anyway, just because your whole team died and you are the last of the Mohicans lol

Regards,Mack

"Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for?" - Gimli

Nice post Losttwo,However, the MM does something peculiar. When I play with a plane I'm good, then the MM almost always puts me in a team where players are less experienced. But when I play with a plane that I 'm bad then the MM puts me on a team with more experienced/better players.Regards,Mack

Have you considered that perhaps it is not MM but you. If you are flying a plane you are good at then everyone else wont be good.

Out of 2000 people how many of them will pick a plane they are good at and fly it consistently the same time as you.

Look at each match and pay attention to who you are flying with and against. It is not the MM but you. Seriously.

MM knows nothing of each players skill level. Face it if you are OP in a plane then it is not MM. if you are accused of hacking and cheating.

It certainly can not be MM.

It is amazing the psychology we use to place patterns into everyday life. I think the word is coincidence.

Well,I always try tolookon the minimapandtry tounite myselfto the larger group enlarging our number together to support our team as group.rarely I'll try torescue someonefrom the clutchesof the enemy, andin this situation maybe I end updying,often beingleft behindprecisely bythe one Iwastrying to save.

Well,I always try tolookon the minimapandtry tounite myselfto the larger group enlarging our number together to support our team as group.rarely I'll try torescue someonefrom the clutchesof the enemy, andin this situation maybe I end updying,often beingleft behindprecisely bythe one Iwastrying to save.

Good question. Most of my games are 90% solo. It is difficult for me to transition to " flight " tactics. Even in a flight I tend to wonder off into the map somewhere. I truly get lost.

My tactics are dependent completely on the plane I fly and my skill level of that plane.

Over all and the simplest tactic I use is to FOLLOW the heard in support. Yes the biggest group of people. The beginning of the match is totally dependent on watching the mini- map and gaining altitude. This of course is dependent on map as well. I try to make the normal good tactical suggestions in chat but of course not everyone listens.

I never engage in a fur ball if I can help it. I will fly thru it and out the other side but for them most part I take out the enemy flying outside of it.

If I am not good with particular plane then I use passive tactics. The better I am at the plane the more aggressive I can be. Still avoiding the fur ball.

There are enough aggressive people that fly head long into battle you can fly behind and use for bait. Never expect any one to cover your tail.

The mini map is always the most important thing in the game. If you are getting over whelmed then find your mass of green team mates and fly to them. I will always try to fly towards a friendly.

Always look at the pre-battle comparison chart so you know how to adjust your advantage. Be it maneuverability, speed, altitude. Fire power is only good if you can shoot someone.

I think there is a HUGE amount of value in the idea of staying with one plane for many battles in a row so that the particulars of that aircraft have time to 'settle into your bones' and become more instinctive.

Reminds me of old MMORPGs I used to play and folks saying, "I can play all 8 classes equally well." My response was, "You can play all 8 classes equally poorly, you just don't realize. Maybe you could be an A+ player but you're only playing at an A- level because you don't let yourself get "instinctive" with any particular class."

Well, the same seems like it would make sense here.

I, of course, am as guilty as everyone else of flitting among all the aircraft in my hanger. After all, you gotta get the daily doubles knocked out, right?

Good question. Most of my games are 90% solo. It is difficult for me to transition to " flight " tactics. Even in a flight I tend to wonder off into the map somewhere. I truly get lost.

My tactics are dependent completely on the plane I fly and my skill level of that plane.

Over all and the simplest tactic I use is to FOLLOW the heard in support. Yes the biggest group of people. The beginning of the match is totally dependent on watching the mini- map and gaining altitude. This of course is dependent on map as well. I try to make the normal good tactical suggestions in chat but of course not everyone listens.

I never engage in a fur ball if I can help it. I will fly thru it and out the other side but for them most part I take out the enemy flying outside of it.

If I am not good with particular plane then I use passive tactics. The better I am at the plane the more aggressive I can be. Still avoiding the fur ball.

There are enough aggressive people that fly head long into battle you can fly behind and use for bait. Never expect any one to cover your tail.

The mini map is always the most important thing in the game. If you are getting over whelmed then find your mass of green team mates and fly to them. I will always try to fly towards a friendly.

Always look at the pre-battle comparison chart so you know how to adjust your advantage. Be it maneuverability, speed, altitude. Fire power is only good if you can shoot someone.

Yes, I agree witheverything youthinkandI do the same thing, I thing. =D

But at the end of our discussionI know that for me there is still specific something to learn, so I can put the next knowledge brick, and I really can not know/find what it is. So I want toshare mydoubts.The booksdo not helpme anymore.

Regards,

Mack

"Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for?" - Gimli

I found that grinding for the winds missions really taught me how to use certain planes. I seldom flight up and unfortunately often find myself in a group that doesn't seem to understand anything basic at all. Sometimes those groupings do win but usually not. When I drop into a grouping that uses the basics its game on. No uber pilot here! I believe that if I didn't end in so many horrible situations my personal W/L would improve to the 57% area. My biggest drag is when I use my GAAs. Oddly enough the GAA is my biggest credit maker. Without spreadsheet style analysis I tend to think it looses so much because Im not adding my LF kills or damage to the team. (No Im not big headed just that using my planes in the method that Losttwo advocated, I am improving).

I found that grinding for the winds missions really taught me how to use certain planes. I seldom flight up and unfortunately often find myself in a group that doesn't seem to understand anything basic at all. Sometimes those groupings do win but usually not. When I drop into a grouping that uses the basics its game on. No uber pilot here! I believe that if I didn't end in so many horrible situations my personal W/L would improve to the 57% area. My biggest drag is when I use my GAAs. Oddly enough the GAA is my biggest credit maker. Without spreadsheet style analysis I tend to think it looses so much because Im not adding my LF kills or damage to the team. (No Im not big headed just that using my planes in the method that Losttwo advocated, I am improving).

I wholeheartedly agree and advocate this method! Right on.

Don't feel bad about the GA's....when I want to really tank my stats into the sewer I fly IL-2 consistently. However it will raise money.

How to raise your win rate: Get very lucky with the Matchmaker. Anything else will just have a minor effect on your W/L percentage.

This is exactly what people tell themselves when they have a low win ratio - and this is exactly what I USED to tell myself when I was trying to figure out this game. There is no question some teams are beyond help, but over the course of many games you can indicate the type of player you are with your win/loss rate.

Players with low win/loss ratios typically rush up tiers, and then stay in upper tiers not understanding game fundamentals but wanting to play the "cool" high tier planes. Again, I was guilty of that as well, but I took the advice of people in the forums to improve....and then my stats followed.

I have 65 Planes, but my stats are not so godd :( This is mostyly because I stuffed them up badly as a noob by not really caring too mucvh about my stats, now I have to work 5 times as had just to bring them up to modest stats, this is turn also means my stats dont really mean much

I think there is a HUGE amount of value in the idea of staying with one plane for many battles in a row so that the particulars of that aircraft have time to 'settle into your bones' and become more instinctive.

yess!! so true anagdan ... the longer you play a plane , the greater chance you learn the in's and outs.. when you have those down , you start to get more natural in situations , and react naturally to best suit that plane in that moment. seems small , but over a period of a few hundred games it proves to show that you actually know that plane in and out. Ive done this in the A-5 , and gotten to the point where i naturally know who i can out run and who i can kill , and how fast i can do it. That knowledge is key to planning your moves , giving you a advantage over those who don't know their planes so well.

I would assume this is based mostly on experience since release :P Pretty much everything i've seen looks good, however from what i've found...

The easiest way to gain experience in the game (and so increase your WR) is to fly with experienced players... They'll teach you the basics and probably give you a hell of alot of tips while you fly with them, practising it as you go along, so you actually learn and remember everything. This might take a few weeks, but it's by FAR the best way to learn anything... Eventually, if you push yourself hard enough, you'll get to the same level as them, at which point you can push yourself further, determining what the mistakes you made in the battle were, what you should have done, and why YOU lost the game.

Even in games were you win, you can look back and try and work out what you could have done better. From this you can try and focus on recurring problems and try and fix them, however there will always be something which you can improve on. Yes, you can have really good games, where everything goes right for you, and you get loads of kills, however i would bet on it that you can never have a perfect game.

You can be the judge of performance who is the harshest, but most realistic. And what's more, you're going to listen to yourself alot more often than you are of some random guys raging in the ingame chat :P

As my signature says... It doesn't take skill to fly, it takes skill to not make mistakes...

I hear of people getting their win rate to go up (If stats concern you) by playing winning sessions only , If you loose 2 times in a row and won more before the losses then quit for the day a come back tomorrow . rinse and repeat till it goes up .. I tested this theory back a couple of months ago and it worked .. However if you like to play the game for the missions or progression then throw the win rate out the window , or fly with elite players who control the queue ..

Never be afraid to ask ingame, somebody may know. Never disregard what is said (within reason, you know the basics) by those whose names you can recognize from the forums. There are many who do care about game community and are willing to help, this OP is proof.