Yes I think I would put live baby turtles on any box that had herps. They do have the alllllll effect. That and "how do they get air?" "Dont they need water?" The bessybody's in the store. My yard! Yep, big black humps everywhere. Of cource there's always the days of luging 80 lb bags of grass seed,or the mud,and the Cottonmouths. But at the end of the day,its worth it. Except when the rain washes the seeds away,then the mud again,then the heat kills the secound seeding. But you just "do it again" "do it again". Maybe a one man reallity show here! Vic