In January, the undercover officer met with Campbell and his girlfriend, who was carrying assault rifle parts in her zebra-striped suitcase, authorities said. The woman struggled to assemble the weapon in the backseat of a car by using a YouTube instructional video she called up on her smartphone, investigators said. When she failed, the undercover bought the pieces anyway for $1,100, they said.

You see? That's the problem with these "clandestine" programs. They're secret, so you have to find an excuse as to why you suddenly and mysteriously discovered the bad guys were bad and arrested them.

as the result of a 10-month investigation.

10 MONTHS! We had to wait 10 MONTHS for these idiots to post to Instagram so we could bust them without raising suspicion! Now, if the TLA's would just open up to Congress about what they are really doing, we could arrest these people right at the beginning, before anyone gets hurt.

Click Click D'oh:I'm trying to figure out he overly complex method here.... They dissemble the guns and stash them in bags that rides in the luggage hold of discount buses running to China Town to avoid detection...

Couldn't they just put them in the trunk of their car and drive into town?

FTFA - An undercover city police officer posing as a gun broker for criminal customers bought 254 weapons from the men in dozens of transactions since last year - the largest gun seizures in the city in recent memory.

How is buying 254 guns considered seizing them, especially when it takes 10 more months to make an arrest? Who paid for it and did it cost more then $160,000 they recovered?

Since the media in general has been completely wrong 99% of the time they say something was an "assault rifle", I'm going to guess this wasn't actually an "assault rifle", but more a "scary looking black rifle".

flynn80:FTFA - An undercover city police officer posing as a gun broker for criminal customers bought 254 weapons from the men in dozens of transactions since last year - the largest gun seizures in the city in recent memory.

How is buying 254 guns considered seizing them, especially when it takes 10 more months to make an arrest? Who paid for it and did it cost more then $160,000 they recovered?

the same way the DEA buying drugs from a drug dealer constitutes a drug bust.

Article not withstanding, probably what happened was they did deals with these guys, gathered evidence, figured out where the stuff was coming from, and then busted them when they figured they wouldn't end up killing an even bigger ring.

I should point out, however, that this is a clear indicator that enforcing existing gun laws does, in fact, work...

DROxINxTHExWIND:Click Click D'oh: I'm trying to figure out he overly complex method here.... They dissemble the guns and stash them in bags that rides in the luggage hold of discount buses running to China Town to avoid detection...

Couldn't they just put them in the trunk of their car and drive into town?

Click Click D'oh:I'm trying to figure out he overly complex method here.... They dissemble the guns and stash them in bags that rides in the luggage hold of discount buses running to China Town to avoid detection...

Couldn't they just put them in the trunk of their car and drive into town?

Since the media in general has been completely wrong 99% of the time they say something was an "assault rifle", I'm going to guess this wasn't actually an "assault rifle", but more a "scary looking black rifle".

/yes, yes, word definitions change... literally.

If by assault rifle you mean has auto capability, then yes you are probably correct. It's a safe bet to assume they are talking about a disassembled AR-15, or similar, due to the popularity of said rifle.

Since the media in general has been completely wrong 99% of the time they say something was an "assault rifle", I'm going to guess this wasn't actually an "assault rifle", but more a "scary looking black rifle".

/yes, yes, word definitions change... literally.

If by assault rifle you mean has auto capability, then yes you are probably correct. It's a safe bet to assume they are talking about a disassembled AR-15, or similar, due to the popularity of said rifle.

Yep, I meant the actual definition of "assault rifle" and not the incorrect definition the media likes to sensationalize with. If they want to be "OOHH SCARY GUNZ!!", they can use the made up political term that was designed for exactly that - "assault weapon".

According to CBS New York, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said "Is not this simpler? Is this not your natural state? It's the unspoken truth of humanity, that you crave subjugation. The bright lure of freedom diminishes your life's joy in a mad scramble for power, for identity. You were made to be ruled. In the end, you will always kneel."

Since the media in general has been completely wrong 99% of the time they say something was an "assault rifle", I'm going to guess this wasn't actually an "assault rifle", but more a "scary looking black rifle".

And this is why it'll never be too big of a problem that people commit crimes for status. They can't resist the accolade of their idiot peers, so they'll always tell us when we need to come arrest them.

GanjSmokr:justtray: GanjSmokr: "One of the guns was an assault rifle..."

Since the media in general has been completely wrong 99% of the time they say something was an "assault rifle", I'm going to guess this wasn't actually an "assault rifle", but more a "scary looking black rifle".

/yes, yes, word definitions change... literally.

If by assault rifle you mean has auto capability, then yes you are probably correct. It's a safe bet to assume they are talking about a disassembled AR-15, or similar, due to the popularity of said rifle.

Yep, I meant the actual definition of "assault rifle" and not the incorrect definition the media likes to sensationalize with. If they want to be "OOHH SCARY GUNZ!!", they can use the made up political term that was designed for exactly that - "assault weapon".

Allow me to be pedantic for a moment.

Isn't there already a term for your definition of assault rifle? "Automatic rifle?" Or "Full-Auto Rifle" What part of assault means that it is exclusive to automatic weapons from a sheer semantic perspective?

I don't personally find any problem with the supposed misuse of the term assault rifle to describe AR-15s and to even lump them together with AK-47s. I don't consider full auto to be any less deadly than semi-auto. In fact, the increase accuracy in semi auto I would find to be preferable to shoot things. Then again I'm not trained in actual firearm use, just the counter strike version.

justtray:If by assault rifle you mean has auto capability, then yes you are probably correct. It's a safe bet to assume they are talking about a disassembled AR-15, or similar, due to the popularity of said rifle.

I especially love the 'struggled to put together'. It takes two push pins to put an AR back together. Maybe they removed the bolt assembly and didn't know how to put it back?

justtray:Isn't there already a term for your definition of assault rifle? "Automatic rifle?" Or "Full-Auto Rifle" What part of assault means that it is exclusive to automatic weapons from a sheer semantic perspective?

There's lots of terms out there. The full one for 'assault rifle' is 'a select fire rifle that fires an intermediate rifle cartridge'. Per the DoD, it's not an assault rifle if it doesn't meet the two requirements: Select(IE automatic) fire, and intermediate cartridge.

A Full-auto rifle would include things like 7.62x51 NATO rifles, that while they're capable of full-auto fire are essentially uncontrollable in that state. M-16s fire intermediate cartridges(5.56 is positively tiny for a center-fire rifle) in order to not only be able to carry more ammunition, but to make full-auto fire somewhat controllable. IE you might actually get all 3 shots on target.

Firethorn:justtray: If by assault rifle you mean has auto capability, then yes you are probably correct. It's a safe bet to assume they are talking about a disassembled AR-15, or similar, due to the popularity of said rifle.

I especially love the 'struggled to put together'. It takes two push pins to put an AR back together. Maybe they removed the bolt assembly and didn't know how to put it back?

I think we know why - it was a woman. BURN.

As for the semantic definitions, I didn't really feel like breaking out small burst-mode, but fair enough.

Firethorn:justtray: Isn't there already a term for your definition of assault rifle? "Automatic rifle?" Or "Full-Auto Rifle" What part of assault means that it is exclusive to automatic weapons from a sheer semantic perspective?

There's lots of terms out there. The full one for 'assault rifle' is 'a select fire rifle that fires an intermediate rifle cartridge'. Per the DoD, it's not an assault rifle if it doesn't meet the two requirements: Select(IE automatic) fire, and intermediate cartridge.

A Full-auto rifle would include things like 7.62x51 NATO rifles, that while they're capable of full-auto fire are essentially uncontrollable in that state. M-16s fire intermediate cartridges(5.56 is positively tiny for a center-fire rifle) in order to not only be able to carry more ammunition, but to make full-auto fire somewhat controllable. IE you might actually get all 3 shots on target.