Are you Ethically progressive...EVolve --- GO VEGAN!!! - Atheist Nexus2015-03-31T22:35:59Zhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/are-you-ethically-progressive-evolve-go-vegan?groupUrl=ethicalculture&groupId=2182797%3AGroup%3A454019&id=2182797%3ATopic%3A1790214&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMy question is this...why wor…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-12-15:2182797:Comment:21229622012-12-15T04:44:07.124ZTabitha McCoyhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/TabithaMcCoy562
<p>My question is this...why worry about going vegan? We need animal protein to sustain our bodies.</p>
<p>My question is this...why worry about going vegan? We need animal protein to sustain our bodies.</p> One vegan to another, it's ti…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-12-24:2182797:Comment:17954912011-12-24T04:35:29.746ZVeganApehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/VeganApe
<p><strong><em>One vegan to another, it's time for me to stop holding your hand and let you figure this out for yourself: shaming the least powerful members of society (and no, we don't have power here, or the assholes who control the place wouldn't be continually destroying everyone's lives) is not going to help. The problem isn't that individuals know what they need to do and are refusing.</em></strong></p>
<p>Believe me I have worked over 15 jobs, lived in 17 different places and been on…</p>
<p><strong><em>One vegan to another, it's time for me to stop holding your hand and let you figure this out for yourself: shaming the least powerful members of society (and no, we don't have power here, or the assholes who control the place wouldn't be continually destroying everyone's lives) is not going to help. The problem isn't that individuals know what they need to do and are refusing.</em></strong></p>
<p>Believe me I have worked over 15 jobs, lived in 17 different places and been on high incomes to low incomes. I have been unemployed, A poor student, Also a self financed motorcycle racer. To top it all off I have been a drug addict and a fisherman. I know what of I speak and the evils perpetrated by me and in my name. It is you my friend that has a lot more to learn. I wager you are a young person and as such may feel optimism for society, I feel only contempt as I have witnessed many lifestyles and many socio economic conditions. I accept no excuses from the ignorant once they have the information, Government is just a reflexion of society, sure on some angles you might not like the reflection, but it is what it is. People are mostly generally stupid, maybe with a talent here or there, but at least in the top 5% of society (atheists) I expect more. This is why I expect anyone educated enough to see the falacy of religion and other forms of indoctrination to also see the ethical famine in our own cultures.</p> I think you are Naive....if y…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-12-24:2182797:Comment:17952102011-12-24T03:06:46.726ZVeganApehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/VeganApe
<p>I think you are Naive....if you ever find yourself doing as most others do...RETHINK.....95% of people are worthless fodder. I won't wish any cruelty or harm on them but I would not consult them on an intellectual basis. 5% are worth talking to and 1% are worth knowing. Why do you acknowledge sexual and religious indoctrination and yet fail to recognise other forms where they reside.</p>
<p>I think you are Naive....if you ever find yourself doing as most others do...RETHINK.....95% of people are worthless fodder. I won't wish any cruelty or harm on them but I would not consult them on an intellectual basis. 5% are worth talking to and 1% are worth knowing. Why do you acknowledge sexual and religious indoctrination and yet fail to recognise other forms where they reside.</p> So are you trying to tell me…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-12-24:2182797:Comment:17954732011-12-24T03:03:03.987ZVeganApehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/VeganApe
<p>So are you trying to tell me that the Aids virus is a good thing to catch in order to enhance your immune system....Some things are acceptable co-environmental inhabitants H5N1 and aids are to that are not co-inhabitors of my choice. I have had the H5N1 vaccine have you.....Are you seriously trying to tell me your an anti vaxer </p>
<p>So are you trying to tell me that the Aids virus is a good thing to catch in order to enhance your immune system....Some things are acceptable co-environmental inhabitants H5N1 and aids are to that are not co-inhabitors of my choice. I have had the H5N1 vaccine have you.....Are you seriously trying to tell me your an anti vaxer </p> Do you smoke....do you drink.…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-12-24:2182797:Comment:17952092011-12-24T02:59:59.375ZVeganApehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/VeganApe
<p>Do you smoke....do you drink.....what type of car do you use. Do you use technology for as long as you can before recycling it. Do you monitor your power consumption in your home. There are many more luxuries that people have and use than the choice of a vegan diet. We cook all our own food and grow what we can in pots as well. I recycle all scraps in a worm farm. You can't just throw your arms in the air and say its all to hard........A rational person takes control of their needs in order…</p>
<p>Do you smoke....do you drink.....what type of car do you use. Do you use technology for as long as you can before recycling it. Do you monitor your power consumption in your home. There are many more luxuries that people have and use than the choice of a vegan diet. We cook all our own food and grow what we can in pots as well. I recycle all scraps in a worm farm. You can't just throw your arms in the air and say its all to hard........A rational person takes control of their needs in order of priority, food then shelter. While the irrational just lives a life of mayhem and maddens then eats what ever the hell they can. Food must come first....no last. In the future you will be forced through economics to eat Vegan anyway, If you think 2 billion chinese can eat like americans your crazy, we would need 5 earths for that. I have seen the price of meat go up dramatically and once a carbon tax is introduced world wide meat will reflect more of the true cost it has on the environment....</p> My ideals are how most of the…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-12-24:2182797:Comment:17954722011-12-24T02:54:11.543ZVeganApehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/VeganApe
<p>My ideals are how most of the third world live until the first world start marketing filthy food to them.</p>
<p>My ideals are how most of the third world live until the first world start marketing filthy food to them.</p> That is a myth, You can eat f…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-12-24:2182797:Comment:17952082011-12-24T02:53:18.717ZVeganApehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/VeganApe
<p>That is a myth, You can eat for much less if you avoid junk food. what costs money is the transition diets people put them selves on and the non essentials they purchase. Take the winging pessimist who says they have no money for food while puffing on a smoke. Or the person complaining about inadequate health care whilst drinking alcohol. Many people waste half of there money on not only excessive protein, but excessive nutritionally empty calories. You can live on a lot less than you think,…</p>
<p>That is a myth, You can eat for much less if you avoid junk food. what costs money is the transition diets people put them selves on and the non essentials they purchase. Take the winging pessimist who says they have no money for food while puffing on a smoke. Or the person complaining about inadequate health care whilst drinking alcohol. Many people waste half of there money on not only excessive protein, but excessive nutritionally empty calories. You can live on a lot less than you think, It is the dietary indoctrination you must break. My wife and I are far healthier than all of our extended family. It is pure diet and lifestyle choices not genetics in that situation. I learn't how not to live in my twenties and have spent the last decade repairing my body, mind and empathy.</p> My point is that no one in am…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-12-24:2182797:Comment:17952072011-12-24T02:47:50.139ZVeganApehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/VeganApe
<p>My point is that no one in america is under threat of starvation due to lack of meat. It is in fact cheaper to get your protein from legumes etc. but in any case I am sure you could by a 20kg bag of rice and feed your del for quite a while. But there are other countries that are in actual starvation situation. they do not drop cows from the sky to these people, they drop rice and grains etc.</p>
<p>My point is that no one in america is under threat of starvation due to lack of meat. It is in fact cheaper to get your protein from legumes etc. but in any case I am sure you could by a 20kg bag of rice and feed your del for quite a while. But there are other countries that are in actual starvation situation. they do not drop cows from the sky to these people, they drop rice and grains etc.</p> Well, that's relatively (isn'…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-12-24:2182797:Comment:17954012011-12-24T01:44:46.215ZTNT666http://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/TNT
<p>Well, that's relatively (isn't everything :) not very substantial either. I may not have had "the pox", but as a child I, and all my peers, had every single one of the children's diseases that people are so freaked out in North America,about and getting vaccines for today. It actually makes me shake my head with laughter. Rubeolla was a good example of it being optimal to get these as children instead of adults, getting it at 18 allowed me to loose 20 lbs in a week... But it was not all fun.…</p>
<p>Well, that's relatively (isn't everything :) not very substantial either. I may not have had "the pox", but as a child I, and all my peers, had every single one of the children's diseases that people are so freaked out in North America,about and getting vaccines for today. It actually makes me shake my head with laughter. Rubeolla was a good example of it being optimal to get these as children instead of adults, getting it at 18 allowed me to loose 20 lbs in a week... But it was not all fun. Diseases make us stronger... living in bubbles makes us, as a species, weaker.</p> So you are telling me in thos…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2011-12-24:2182797:Comment:17952662011-12-24T01:13:16.229ZVeganApehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/VeganApe
<p>So you are telling me in those communities meat is cheaper than beans?</p>
<p>So you are telling me in those communities meat is cheaper than beans?</p>