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Re: #87: 1025 Hours Later

Originally Posted by Nepeta

Originally Posted by SarcasticFrisbee

But if that was the case, then why even go and confront Gamzee in the first place? Why not be like Karkat and just run away, if you aren't even going to fight your "destiny"? Some sort of Sisyphean obligation?

He probably went with the intention to talk, then was subjugglated.

But, didn't he believe that Gamzee was just submitting to the natural behavior of those within the heirarchy? Even if he didn't, he would have agreed with Karkat that Gamzee had snapped. His motivation doesn't make any sense to me if he wasn't even going to put up a fight. :|

Re: #87: 1025 Hours Later

She's got freaking 2 ft-long claws on her side. If she's any kind of joke, she'll leave a dying laugh.

Just like how Equius left a dying puddle of sweat. Die as you live.

Originally Posted by Kazerad

IDE/Theory: Nepeta will follow Equius' directions and just hide in that vent for the entire remainder of the story.

And be the last surviving character.

Please this. I don't believe it, but I want it.

It does have potential for character development. Alone in the vents, hearing distant echoes of honks and terror and scuffles fading in and out in the distance, praying to troll jegus that you're not found and doing your best to never think about what you've just seen and what must be happening.

Deny reality. Like a real shipper

Founder of the Church of the Eternal Hangout with the Lost Scions of Coolkid Krypton
Other Sig Devices

Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

Either give up your life to live your dreams, or give up your dreams to live your life.

I like it.

Originally Posted by Bandages

comfort doesn't matter when your transuniversal space girlfriend can put you to sleep with her psychic powers

RIP, VriskaJohn. Welcome to the fora, JohnVriska

Originally Posted by Bommster

they'd watch Con Air and BNP all night long.

Originally Posted by Wade Wilson

But I will miss S.S. Spiderderp.

Homestuck in a sentence

Originally Posted by Ixelrod

Children attempt to play game in which shit continually gets complex.

Children attempt to play a game for increasingly higher stakes and simple rules of exponentially complex emergent behaviour

Children grow up, play games, live with drama, and seek to kill gods all at once.

All the turmoil from when you were their age, much cooler toys.

Little kids trying to grow faster than their problems.

Originally Posted by Oodle

Kids play a game that is less fun than most of them expected.

Kids see beyond the veil between worlds. Repeatedly.

Four children, a game of reality, and isolation destroyed by the end of the world

Once a three cord whose research strove for social mobility, your soul was stricken from you for your hubris, your facial markings dripping in flames from your face and leaving it blank as a sign of your nature. In a denial of your right to be punished, you have recreated your original facial markings as a tatoo upon your chest and a sigil upon your shirt. But it has been too long since you had a soul and you cannot remember if this was truly ever your marking or something you invented in your despair. Fueling your doubt, everytime you see your adopted sigil you cannot help but think of a weeping face.

You earned your monicker "The Expository" from an inborn obsession with explaining things to your victims, a holdover from your previous life. Or perhaps something you cling to as a way to prove a shred of yourself still is. No, no, you're sure it's involuntary. Your cords are unnatural, having attatchments all along their length instead of only their ends. It was needed for the procedure. Most horrific of your many monstorous features is your complete lack of color. You could have just as easily been nicknamed "The Blank/Pale Devil". Mortal Terronians viewing this undeniable grotesque deformity for the first time wretch, as they should. You're terrible. You have been so ever since your patron color bled and burned itself alive to escape you.

Re: #87: 1025 Hours Later

You know, I was actually starting to like Equius a bit with recent developments.

And then he had to die in the most pathetic way possible. Back down to the bottom you go.

So this means that Tavros is still higher on your list?

Equius, despite being one of the strongest trolls, just stood and let himself get killed masochistically.
Tavros, despite being the troll with the least amount of combat, took the fight to a god-tier troll. He got killed, obviously, but hey, at least he tried.

Re: #87: 1025 Hours Later

Originally Posted by mole

But the story AH intends to tell isn't just a series of random hilarious events played out of order. Andrew does put a lot of thought into exactly what he wants to "do to the readers" in each scene. Whether it's to reveal something new about the background mythology, or to build up expectations that he can later subvert, or to establish something that he can use as a callback later.

In this sense it's perfectly reasonable and fun to debate Andrew's intent in this scene. On the face of it, it looks like Equius is going down without a fight. Does this contradict other things that have been established about Equius's character earlier? Is this a time when Andrew will go along our current expectations or is it time to subvert them?

It's reasonable - when there is reason being used, when you can deduce clues reasonably from the work itself, or to some extent from authorial comment (like Formspring - although the sarcastic nature of some of AH's answers should keep people taking what he says with a grain of salt).

But, look - if you start out saying "AH puts a lot of thought into this story", and then you say, "it seems like he's just doing this to be [whatever]", you're no longer giving him credit for putting that same thought into the latest development, are you?

It's that kind of statement that irks me, the kind that assumes that, because a development happened that wasn't to a critic's liking, because an author chose a different path than the one a reader would prefer, that somehow then it's not a carefully-considered act of the author, but some kind of cheat or shortcut. I don't see that as reason, I see that as bias.

Re: #87: 1025 Hours Later

Originally Posted by SarcasticFrisbee

Why not be like Karkat and just run away, if you aren't even going to fight your "destiny"? Some sort of Sisyphean obligation?

Well, if there's one overriding theme this comic has been hitting us over the head with throughout its run, it's that destiny is inescapable and all events are foreordained, and attempts to change or fight this are invariably doomed.

The slowly dawning realization that Hussie might actually mean this has for some time now made me fear for my mental state when Homestuck ends. At the very best, we will be forced to imagine Sisyphus happy.

Re: #87: 1025 Hours Later

Nepeta seems too obvious, but she's the only real disposable character we have left. :|

Also, I want to say to everybody that I really am sorry if my attitude earlier hurt anybody's feelings. It was silly for me to let my emotions eek out to the forefront the way they did. So although an I'm sorry means nothing... I'm sorry.

Re: #87: 1025 Hours Later

Originally Posted by Bluecho

Originally Posted by SarcasticFrisbee

Originally Posted by Zauren

It's pretty obvious that Equius didn't fight back on purpose. He felt it was his role to be killed by highbl00ds, and was probably happy that finally Gamzee lived up to his hemospectrum. He even called him 'sir' before being shot. Which isn't surprising, but I wish he had punched Eridan in the face first.

But if that was the case, then why even go and confront Gamzee in the first place? Why not be like Karkat and just run away, if you aren't even going to fight your "destiny"? Some sort of Sisyphean obligation?

I agree. Even if Equuis feels he must die at the hands of a (land-dwelling) high blood, that doesn't mean he has any obligation to go out seeking death. This was just pathetic as all hell.

For shame, Equuis, for shame. No moarnful dirges for you, sir. None whatsoever.

I never said it wasn't pathetic and shameful... just that not resisting made sense in that situation. I agree he probably hoped to talk to him but being strangled to death he was disturbingly fine with also...

Re: #87: 1025 Hours Later

Originally Posted by Bluecho

For shame, Equuis, for shame. No moarnful dirges for you, sir. None whatsoever.

Is this really such a shameful death? As soon as Gamzee went into Stephen King's It mode, people were calling for Equius to come beat him down. Now the flash shows that Gamzee can outrageously overpower Equius, and regardless of whether that originates from his blood caste or simply from his crazy clown powers, that a noble, direct attempt to defeat a force of evil is kind of stupid (like Tavros) even when you're actually quite strong (not like Tavros at all). Equius had his friend at his back, an evil before him, and the strength to confront and he did the most noble and proper thing imaginable. It just turns out that his decision there was both incredibly stupid and amazingly gratifying. He died better than Feferi or Tavros did, at least.

Re: #87: 1025 Hours Later

Originally Posted by SarcasticFrisbee

He probably went with the intention to talk, then was subjugglated.

But, didn't he believe that Gamzee was just submitting to the natural behavior of those within the heirarchy? Even if he didn't, he would have agreed with Karkat that Gamzee had snapped. His motivation doesn't make any sense to me if he wasn't even going to put up a fight. :|[/QUOTE]

He went there to talk with Gamzee. Gamzee shot him in the leg to subjugate him. He realized there was nothing he could do, and that was his destiny to die there at the hands of the one he had scorned for so long.

Re: #87: 1025 Hours Later

right before Kanaya died, we found out she had the Matriorb, and saw her making friends with Jade, and had a moment to appreciate her as a character and care about her future. then we got the same thing with Equius and Nepeta. from here on in I'm going to assume that any characters who reveal their vulnerabilities as emotionally complex individuals are fucking doomed.