I know some of you out there root for the guy, but it just pisses me off to see him do well in Philly. I know someone will say "confidence...Babs...blah, blah, blah" but the guy just didn't have the character to work hard, persevere, and succeed in Detroit. Is he the most notable recent story of a local failure finding success elsewhere?

Also the guy didn't care here. He didn't try to work with the system. He even admits that he prefers the city (cause Detroit sucks amirite?) and the discipline of the forwards (aka not having any real responsibility) which is why he is doing well there.

He can go f*** himself as far as I'm concerned. I have seen very few other players as lethargic as him in a Wings uniform.

People think he is the same player than he was here and is only given special freedom to do what ever he wants there. Obviously most of these people don't actually watch him play or are too blind to even give him any credit when it's due. And then there are the people who think it's all because of Briere and Hartnell which I find even funnier.

Why do you even care what he does? He's in the East now. It ain't gonna make that OKT trade look any better if that's what you're talking about. And really, Babcock tried to make some kinda net presence or sniper out of him. He's a playmaker and Detroit already have two top line playmakers so it's not a miracle that it didn't work here and it does there.

People think he is the same player than he was here and is only given special freedom to do what ever he wants there. Obviously most of these people don't actually watch him play or are too blind to even give him any credit when it's due. And then there are the people who think it's all because of Briere and Hartnell which I find even funnier.

Why do you even care what he does? He's in the East now. It ain't gonna make that OKT trade look any better if that's what you're talking about. And really, Babcock tried to make some kinda net presence or sniper out of him. He's a playmaker and Detroit already have two top line playmakers so it's not a miracle that it didn't work here and it does there.

You make it sound like he is the first hockey play ever to be miscast in his role and that somehow absolves him of his lack of effort and bad attitude.

People think he is the same player than he was here and is only given special freedom to do what ever he wants there. Obviously most of these people don't actually watch him play or are too blind to even give him any credit when it's due. And then there are the people who think it's all because of Briere and Hartnell which I find even funnier.

Why do you even care what he does? He's in the East now. It ain't gonna make that OKT trade look any better if that's what you're talking about. And really, Babcock tried to make some kinda net presence or sniper out of him. He's a playmaker and Detroit already have two top line playmakers so it's not a miracle that it didn't work here and it does there.

And leave it be, you as a Leino slappy, to be one of the first in here being the exact opposite of the extreme preparing to call people out. Just because you are on the 100% opposite side of the haters doesn't make your response any more right.

He stunk here, bottom line. Your defending of him is not going to change anybody's opinions regarding that. He's doing better in Philadelphia and in a better state of mind there mentally. More power to him and I'm glad he's finding success. Leave it at that.

You make it sound like he is the first hockey play ever to be miscast in his role and that somehow absolves him of his lack of effort and bad attitude.

Yeah, well Holland knew what he ordered when he signed him. Obviously Laviolette can handle this player better than Babcock and now they've got a +50 point scorer and a playoff beast for under a mill. It isn't any breaking news that not all players react the same to same kinda treatment.

Well, at least we got a pick.

And leave it be, you as a Leino slappy, to be one of the first in here being the exact opposite of the extreme preparing to call people out. Just because you are on the 100% opposite side of the haters doesn't make your response any more right.

He stunk here, bottom line. Your defending of him is not going to change anybody's opinions regarding that. He's doing better in Philadelphia and in a better state of mind there mentally. More power to him and I'm glad he's finding success. Leave it at that.

I'm not the one who started this "hate-thread". Why would I hate some player? It's not like I know these NHL players and see their life enough to call them lazy or such.

I've always gotten the feeling that you've got something of a soft spot for Finnish players. I wonder why...

I don't know about Finnish players but I'd take Leino nine out of ten times over Filppula.

Yeah, well Holland knew what he ordered when he signed him. Obviously Laviolette can handle this player better than Babcock and now they've got a +50 point scorer and a playoff beast for under a mill. It isn't any breaking news that not all players react the same to same kinda treatment.

Have you really even watch him play this season? Plus-minus doesn't necessary mean good defense, but if you've led the league in +/- among forwards I wouldn't say your defense sucks.

Plus, Leino has always been a playoff performer. Some players just are good post-season players and some are not. It doesn't matter that much what's the league.

Based on watching him. I wasn't even using +/-, I was using how he "plays" defense. Lazy. I will grant he is doing better defensively in Philly than in Detroit, but being better than horrible doesn't mean you are doing well.

As for playoffs, as I said, he has had 1 outstanding playoffs. other than that, you are going to try and use SM-liiga playoffs as evidence… irrelevant. You are also forgetting the 2 assists in 7 games with the Wings.

I have no ill will towards the guy and wish him well. I'm from Philly and have an affinity for the Flyers. But I'm not going to overvalue a player because he was born in the same country as me.