FTP still isn't as useful as the idisk was though and my mac mail never ever got spammed.

with .mac you also get a free copy of iblog, a versiontracker plus subscription and discounts. There is other **** as well.

I was a critic when it first started as Apple was essentially trying to get you to pay for something that was free (itools). However, a year later, it so happens that what you get for your money has become a lot better.

Originally posted by Agathon
Of course you can bounce them. But that's really ****ing annoying.

How is it annoying when the client bounces spam automatically and deletes it?

Better to never get them or to have a good junk mail filter like Apple's Mail does.

Having crap junk mail flitering seems to be an MS problem.

Hah.
Spoken like somebody who hasn't used Outlook 2003 yet.

Apple's Bayesian filter is ancient compared to the one in Outlook 2003.

Granted, Outlook 2003 is the first MS client to have built-in spam filtering. But at least it's the best at it.

And for the sake of fairness, we'll ignore the fact that Apple's Mail, and even Mozilla, use junk-mail filtering algorithms developed years ago by MS Research, while Outlook 2003 sports the latest incarnation.

Asher, others, how does one 'bounce' e-mails?

It depends what client and/or plugins you're using. How I have it set up in Outlook 2003, is it uses the spam filter to determine what's most probably spam (I have it set to "High" right now, and it's yet to give me a false positive and and only a few times missed real spam, and I told it it was spam and it learned from it for next time). It moves all spam email (about 20 a day) to the Junk Mail folder, then, in the background, bounces that mail by connecting to your mailserver and forging a "user not found" type error so they think your email does not exist. Then, I have it set to purge the junk mail box weekly.

Last edited by Asher; September 28, 2003 at 20:52.

"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

well i've decided to not renew my .mac subscription, i have email from my college, and i carry my laptop with me to class, so i really do not have a need for any of the features. I do wish apple would provide a email service for a much reduced price(I still think that .mac email is excellent, but it alone is not worth 100$). so i'm hoping that down the road apple will provide a email only .mac account, then i'll return, but until then no.

Granted, Outlook 2003 is the first MS client to have built-in spam filtering. But at least it's the best at it.)

Apple Mail is perfect at filtering junk mail if you give it a few weeks to learn and get used to the kind of junk you get.

Outlook 2003?

Hey, everyone, @ Asher.

Yeah right. A pity I can't actually buy and use it until next month. You are such a pathetic bullshitter Asher: comparing Apple Mail, a year old product soon to be updated, to a product that isn't even available to the general public.

I've had Outlook with junk mail filtering for more than a year. I used the SpamAssassin plugin which seamlessly integrates.

And Outlook 2003 is certainly available to the general public, anyone can download it.

It's also a much more advanced and tweaked version of the algorithms Mail used, which are the ones MS made public in 1998 in the paper I linked. They've continually advanced it ever since, because MS didn't deem the algorithms as of 1998 to be accurate enough. Now they think it's good enough for widespread use, and hence its inclusion in MSN's Outlook Express (for over a year now), and Outlook 2003.

"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

Originally posted by Asher
I've had Outlook with junk mail filtering for more than a year. I used the SpamAssassin plugin which seamlessly integrates.

And Outlook 2003 is certainly available to the general public, anyone can download it.

Tis a BETA. Presumably you'll have to pay for the full version.

It's also a much more advanced and tweaked version of the algorithms Mail used, which are the ones MS made public in 1998 in the paper I linked. They've continually advanced it ever since, because MS didn't deem the algorithms as of 1998 to be accurate enough. Now they think it's good enough for widespread use, and hence its inclusion in MSN's Outlook Express (for over a year now), and Outlook 2003.