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I love Hung Jury as well! It’s not a kinetic scout but I am getting hung jury vibes from the Vanguard scout Vacuna SR4, less stability but still satisfying! you can even slap Wat Cult Endgame on it for a little hung jury-Esque shader.

Gotcha. For every precision hit it loads a bullet into the magazine and for bosses that is super nice. It's like a slightly different ace of spades. AoS would load on precision kills and had firefly. This gives an explosion on the 5 shot and loads on precision hits. I like it

They’re not reworking weapon slots as much as they’re reworking what weapons will fit in what slots. We’re still going to have three slots: kinetic, energy and power. But now Bungie is (hopefully) developing a catalog of weapons that will fit in atypical slots, like kinetic snipers and shotguns.

Ohh, ok. I gotta use it some more. I was using Nature of the Beast in Rumble so there weren’t really any other players around for it to be useful but I’m thinking in 6v6 it would be pretty effective. That explosion was pretty damn big lol

Do you think Bungie wants to make this game more fun? That’s an honest question. D2 weapons are pretty lame overall in my opinion, I really hope we go back to D1. Rerolling weapons is a good start, though the D2 perks are pretty limited and kind of stale. Firefly would be awesome. 👍

Right? People who think there is any employee in that building that comes to work trying to make a bad game is ridiculous. Unfortunately I get the feeling much of this sub is either young and ignorant and the rest are old and ignorant. Take your pick haha

Some of it is lack of faith in the game decision makers / balances, and some is worry about the terrible engine for creating new content. Many games bigger and smaller have figured out both much more efficiently, so something is lacking in both areas and has been for a while.

How is it entitled? I want value for my money. This isn't freeware. Have you been following Bungie's actions relative to their game the past 5 years? Do you think waiting nine months in D1 for a patch to fix auto rifles made the game fun? Do you think lying to us about XP in D2 made the game fun? Why don't you come up with a fresh reply, or even better, an original insight instead of repeating ad nauseum what every other faux elite loser states whenever someone is critical of the game?

I'm not saying the game is perfect, or without flaws. I'm not saying bungie is perfect. Personally, after around 300 hours in D2 I feel like I have gotten value for my money, but if you don't I can empathize with that. What I am saying though, is that acting like they don't want the game to be fun is entitled and childish. And on top of that to act like that is an honest question, like come on lol

The best 3 primaries in Destiny overall are literally in D2. Sunshot, Graviton Lance, and Crimson. Yes, I know they’re exotic but in D1 there was not a single exotic primary that was worth using of an exotic heavy unless there was a small arms modifier with a certain burn and even then most times an exotic heavy was still more desirable.

Anyway, we already have a modifier in D2 that’s equally as good as firefly for legendary weapons

Don't you slight Bad Juju like that! Red Death was great in its heyday, comparable to Crimson. Let's not forget Mythoclast and Suros in their respective times. Outbreak Prime and Tlaloc were fine weapons of choice. Touch of Malice was the go to for the final fights in Kings Fall. In PvP, MIDA, Last Word, Thorn, and Hawkmoon were kings at times. Monte Carlo was enjoyed in its niche. All these weapons had metas where they shined but the sandbox would always shake things up.

Bad Juju? Zhalo? Universal Remote? Last Word? Tlaloc? Suros? Fatebringer and Vision if Confluence post April 2017? Any of the ROI exotic primaries? These elemental primary weapons all mattered in D1, even on non-small arms weeks because we had burns, not singes.

FWC’s The Warpath was the best rocket launcher in the game post ROI ... and it was a legendary. That’s how people one-phased Aksis.

The problem is Dragonfly is only for elemental weapons. But as Bungie populates the energy slot with really situationally useful weapons again, it could be nice to get Firefly back on primaries. As long as Bungie can make the explosion a kinetic explosion, as it was inconsistent in D1 among the kinetic primaries.

There's no way that dragonfly is as good as firefly was, even after the buff to DF.

Still, Sunshot & Crimson are fine, GL is one of three Exotic weapons in D2 that are actually impressive (maybe along with Colony & post-patch Tractor Cannon). I'd still rather have our old vaults still filled with the guns we used to have instead of the flooding of boring exotics they tried to replace them with (instead of adding onto). Outbreak Prime, Bad Juju, "Back in the day" Red Death, Y1 Mythoclast, Last Fucking Word, Thorn, Monte Carlo (paired with The Ram), Gjallorhorn was stupid and stupidly fun, Truth was hilarious to use, and most importantly the best exotic pairing ever made; Tlaloc & Alchemist's Raiment on a Devour 'lock.

No. Primary has nothing to do with the weapon slot anymore, only the weapon type. Primary weapons are hand cannons, pulses, scouts, autos, bows and (we think) SMGs and sidearms. This is regardless if the weapon has an elemental burn or not.

So we’re going to have a kinetic slot, for which Bungie is adding a catalog of non-elemental, non-primary weapons (kinetic shotguns and snipers for starters). Then we’re keeping the energy slot, which will contain all of the existing elemental primaries. Then Bungie is ripping most of the former special weapons out of the power slot and putting them into the energy slot. That’s basically all they’re doing.

Man, I don't really think I'm going to like this system. I feel like I'm going to have too many options for all of my slots. Thanks for explaining, I was still really confused even though I thought I read / watched / heard everything I could about this.

As long as Bungie can follow through and load the kinetic slot with some special weapons of varying frametypes, I think it will be cause for some really interesting loadouts.

As it is, it’s going to bring back some of the power fantasy many of us have been missing. Having shotguns, fusions and snipers back in a regularly useable slot is going to speed up many of these encounters we have with harder, shielded enemies.

No. They noted that elementals in the primary slot is never coming back. You can still get elemental "primary" weapons but they will be equipped in the energy/secondary slot just like how they are now.

Personally, I won't either. Stick with a normal primary in the kinetic, throw a fusion/shotgun/sniper in my energy slot and a linear fusion or rocket in my heavy or sword if their ammo efficiency gets buffed. Hopefully though, with this changing they bring my MG for heavy, so we have more options.

They did state though that some weapons that were just heavy, shotguns for example, would get a kinetic/primary version. Maybe this means something like no land beyond would make a comeback as a kinetic/primary sniper. They said 100% that Hawthorne's field forged shotgun would be a kinetic/primary shotgun.

Also, when weapons drop they will be assigned a slot. So you can't just choose which one they go into. A weapon will drop and it will be like "blah blah auto rifle kinetic" or "blah blah scout rifle energy" etc. I don't know if that means all of "blah blah scout rifle" are energy or if they can potentially drop as a kinetic. If their assigned slots are "random rolls" just like their perks or if all weapons named whatever are all energy or all kinetic or all heavy. Know what I mean?

I mean, it will make sense in your inventory when you see it. I just think the ammo pick up thing might still be confusing to players. Green used to refill sunshot, now it's white. You didn't used to hunt for green ammo, and now you're going to be scrambling for it the second you see it. I don't know, maybe it won't matter much at all.

They also need to fix things like sunshot, that's a good example. Exotic energy weapons I feel won't be used quite as much after forsaken. I won't use the sunshot or graviton over a shotgun or fusion, but if they made exotics with burns the only primaries with burns that would make them more useful. Or if they just made sunshot/graviton/riskrunner whatever kinetic damage but kept their perks. Sunshot still explodes solar, graviton still explodes void, riskrunner can still chain arc, etc.