jicon:Sad turn of events. Sobering thing to remember thru all of this... It isn't like the U.S. military has not shot down a civilian plane with 290 people on it before.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

The (former) Soviet military also has experience shooting down civilian planes with hundreds of people onboard.

jicon:Sad turn of events. Sobering thing to remember thru all of this... It isn't like the U.S. military has not shot down a civilian plane with 290 people on it before.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Wait, lemme run that through my Passive-Aggressive-to-English translator.

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves:Pirates of Pestulon: jicon: Sad turn of events. Sobering thing to remember thru all of this... It isn't like the U.S. military has not shot down a civilian plane with 290 people on it before.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

The (former) Soviet military also has experience shooting down civilian planes with hundreds of people onboard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

But you already knew that, I'm sure.

That's where the Soviets learned how to manipulate crash sites. At least they gave back the bodies this time.

its probably because there was not enough time for a cover up this time due to the wonders of modern communication... Hell, im willing to bet that the Kremlin learned a lot of it from the media and social media just like our government got more up to date information from CNN during 9/11 than they seemed to be able to compile themselves...

Pirates of Pestulon:jicon: Sad turn of events. Sobering thing to remember thru all of this... It isn't like the U.S. military has not shot down a civilian plane with 290 people on it before.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

The (former) Soviet military also has experience shooting down civilian planes with hundreds of people onboard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

But you already knew that, I'm sure.

I would have thought that flight 007 would have narrowly escaped somehow.

jicon:Sad turn of events. Sobering thing to remember thru all of this... It isn't like the U.S. military has not shot down a civilian plane with 290 people on it before.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

1. Why is this a turn of events?

2. Completely different scenario. The US made several efforts to contact that plane before firing on it. The separatists (or Russia, or Ukraine, or whatever) fired at something int he sky without having a clue what they were shooting at. Neither are great situations, but at least we weren't actively engaging in a dick waving contest.

I'd a thought they'd hold back on releasing any conclusions until they at least had most of the human remains in the debris field and as much air craft evidence, since Russia was guaranteed to react. But since Russia is shelling from Russia, all pretense is done.

The only thing clouding this as a full act of war is the media consenus and it's black propaganda girlfriend, eating at a McDonald's in downtown Moscow.

FloridaFarkTag:Ummm...if data is unreleased...they would not be able to know the data...that is not conspiracy theory...that is factThe media knows zero what happened to that plane. If a missle truly hit a fuel tank on that plane...there isn't a retrievable black boxFolks need to think before they write...Yikes. Think people...think

zerkalo:OK. Now do we have access to the fuselage in order to trace back what kind of explosive was in that missile? Not that that would quiet the truthers...

Most x-to-Air missiles explode before contact and spread shrapnel or other bits of metal that ultimately shred the aircraft. There would be minimal to no explosive residue on the plane although there may be some on the shrapnel, however the shrapnel itself would be unique enough to provide an ID on the missile. It would be more likely to find one of these bits since they would be numerous and spread out, the missile body itself was more than likely found or 'will never be located' (wink wink comrade). It may settle the debate if it was an air-to-air or ground-to-air missile but since the Ukraine and Russia operate similar or the same systems it wouldn't be conclusive on who fired.