Nope, there is an important difference. Many people think they are financially responsible because they manage to save some money each month for their summer vacation. When I save money, I don't plan to spend it ever (unless buying stocks counts as "spending").

Then why do you do "saving"?If you just like many zeros on your bank account, I can lend you a pen.

Coworker was talking about how he got a pretty much brand new truck for only $44,000 and payments were only $526 per month. Which he followed up with by saying "Good thing I'm really frugal with my money and could take advantage of that deal!!"

Luckily I was so dumbfounded I couldn't say anything.

This is exactly why most people in society don't get ahead, they think they're hot stuff for saving 10%... so that it can be spent on a larger item. Seriously folks, saving money to buy a car is not saving money, it's just deferred spending.

Saving is delayed spending.

How so? Not everyone spends all their money. It's very possible to die with some left over.

Nope, there is an important difference. Many people think they are financially responsible because they manage to save some money each month for their summer vacation. When I save money, I don't plan to spend it ever (unless buying stocks counts as "spending").

Then why do you do "saving"?If you just like many zeros on your bank account, I can lend you a pen.

The difference is in the planning, I don't know when or if I'll ever need the money I'm saving right now. In other words, I don't have a plan as to what to spend it on. So I can say I'm saving 40% of my income. The other 60% includes money that I'm putting aside to replace my car, fund vacations etc in the next couple years, but it's A car replacement fund and vacation fund, not savings because I've already got something in my mind to spend it on.

Do people who think all saving is deferred spending have a "savings rate" of 100% because their paychecks get "saved" in their accounts for a month before getting spent?

Nope, there is an important difference. Many people think they are financially responsible because they manage to save some money each month for their summer vacation. When I save money, I don't plan to spend it ever (unless buying stocks counts as "spending").

Then why do you do "saving"?If you just like many zeros on your bank account, I can lend you a pen.

The difference is in the planning, I don't know when or if I'll ever need the money I'm saving right now. In other words, I don't have a plan as to what to spend it on. So I can say I'm saving 40% of my income. The other 60% includes money that I'm putting aside to replace my car, fund vacations etc in the next couple years, but it's A car replacement fund and vacation fund, not savings because I've already got something in my mind to spend it on.

Do people who think all saving is deferred spending have a "savings rate" of 100% because their paychecks get "saved" in their accounts for a month before getting spent?

I would generally consider it "saving" if I am keeping it indefinitely and don't have a clear plan on what I'll use it for later. For example, I might have an "emergency" arise and need some of it or when the un-spent money pool hanging out in my "savings" account gets large enough, I might invest it in a rental property. My ultimate goal/plan is that all of the money I earn but don't spend on a need/immediate want will eventually be invested in a property but not until I have enough (I'm not really at the point where it's snowballing quickly yet) and some of it might get spent along the way on something else that came up - so I saved it until I needed it but I didn't invest it yet.

So I guess I think savings can be medium-term for items that are too large for me to cash-flow but investment is for the long haul, and the ultimate goal for all savings to be transitioned to. However, if I have a big expense and use some of the money I had saved that would drop my savings rate for the month/year because I spent it.

I think we can think of savings in different ways and that's ok - some people might only consider invested money saved and the rest in a kind of "I will use this later" limbo.

A dear friend (CW) at work mentioned that he was happy that his father stopped working for the military before CW started university because if the father hadn't, CW would have not qualified for student loans.

I asked how much their father was making in the military. Hearing the amount, I said CW would have been fine either way. His father made enough to have easily cashflowed university.

I'm a military pilot (officer) and my peers are making right around the 100k level (about 40% of that is tax free!). Now that so many people are looking to transition to the airlines for the much higher pay, its a routine conversation at work trying to figure out life hacks to make do on the 60-80k that you'll make your first couple years before seniority starts to kick in. I've heard people say they will enroll as a full time student and use their GI bill just to get the accompanying housing allowance while also in their first year at a new job. This from the same people who make 30 minute commutes alone in V8 SUV's and spend more on one kid's upbringing than all of my family of five's current living expenses. I try to slip in comments about how important it is to be able to live off savings for at least a few months and they look at me like I'm crazy for having that much money. Maybe I am, but I'll be a lot less stressed about my career transition than they are!

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Oh another good one was my coworker that bragged about his 4% mortgage rate and ability to almost make double payments. The whole reason he picked the credit union for the mortgage was that they consolidated his credit card debt at a lower interest rate of 9%. When asked why not apply the extra funds to the credit card, he said that keeping the card closer to maxed out helps them not overspend, and besides having your house paid for early is an important milestone in life and as he gets older he is intentionally working towards planning for the future. SMH

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A dear friend (CW) at work mentioned that he was happy that his father stopped working for the military before CW started university because if the father hadn't, CW would have not qualified for student loans.

I asked how much their father was making in the military. Hearing the amount, I said CW would have been fine either way. His father made enough to have easily cashflowed university.

I'm a military pilot (officer) and my peers are making right around the 100k level (about 40% of that is tax free!). Now that so many people are looking to transition to the airlines for the much higher pay, its a routine conversation at work trying to figure out life hacks to make do on the 60-80k that you'll make your first couple years before seniority starts to kick in. I've heard people say they will enroll as a full time student and use their GI bill just to get the accompanying housing allowance while also in their first year at a new job. This from the same people who make 30 minute commutes alone in V8 SUV's and spend more on one kid's upbringing than all of my family of five's current living expenses. I try to slip in comments about how important it is to be able to live off savings for at least a few months and they look at me like I'm crazy for having that much money. Maybe I am, but I'll be a lot less stressed about my career transition than they are!

Yeesh, some people live on a whole different planet. I guess at least they are looking "life hacks" vs "just" going into debt to support their current lifestyle...

Oh another good one was my coworker that bragged about his 4% mortgage rate and ability to almost make double payments. The whole reason he picked the credit union for the mortgage was that they consolidated his credit card debt at a lower interest rate of 9%. When asked why not apply the extra funds to the credit card, he said that keeping the card closer to maxed out helps them not overspend, and besides having your house paid for early is an important milestone in life and as he gets older he is intentionally working towards planning for the future. SMH

Oh another good one was my coworker that bragged about his 4% mortgage rate and ability to almost make double payments. The whole reason he picked the credit union for the mortgage was that they consolidated his credit card debt at a lower interest rate of 9%. When asked why not apply the extra funds to the credit card, he said that keeping the card closer to maxed out helps them not overspend, and besides having your house paid for early is an important milestone in life and as he gets older he is intentionally working towards planning for the future. SMH

Its clear that he has some sense of financial acumen... He understands that paying his house off is good, but jeebers... why not just call and lower the credit limit?

There could be so much more to this story that I don't know that could make it semi-mustacian but my guess is not:

We're doing interviews at my work for an account clerk position. One person who's name came down from HR for an interview shares a last name with another employee. Just intending to see if they were married I looked up property records for their last name. Sure enough they own a house together so probably husband/wife. Happened to see that they paid $360k for the house which is very expensive in my area where you can get a nice house for under $200k and move-in ready though un-updated houses under $100k. So I looked at the pay ranges for his position and what she was applying for (I work in government, this is public information), both positions are $18-23/hour. Holy shit that's a lot of house for a combined income of under $100k/year. It's also in a town about 30 miles way from work so they're commuting quite a ways.

Maybe they paid cash for this house. Maybe they have a super efficient compact car that they carpool in. I don't know their situation. All I know is he worked at a miserable position in another department before and was very happy to get his new position last year.

Is this the right place to post about coworkers recently buying and admiring each other's cars? Recently. two co workers bought Mustangs and one bought a convertible looking Chevy. I don't know what it's called but it looks like the Mustang. Talking about how the Mustang was like only 30 something grand with some type of Engine, etc.

I'm in no place to be shaming car purchases as prior to Mustachianism, I bought a new Honda Fit, but not even sure why they bought these cars as they all had perfectly running cars before this.

Is this the right place to post about coworkers recently buying and admiring each other's cars? Recently. two co workers bought Mustangs and one bought a convertible looking Chevy. I don't know what it's called but it looks like the Mustang. Talking about how the Mustang was like only 30 something grand with some type of Engine, etc.

I'm in no place to be shaming car purchases as prior to Mustachianism, I bought a new Honda Fit, but not even sure why they bought these cars as they all had perfectly running cars before this.

Assume they're not Mustachian.

Reasons to buy the new cars: 1: They really liked them, and driving the cars makes them happy 2: Their old cars were sucking the soul out of them (I HATED driving my wife's old Corolla) 3: Perfectly running doesn't mean its right. I have a liesure suit from my dad that is in perfect condition. Still won't wear it4: As my grandpa said, if it isn't illegal, immoral, and you can afford it, why not?5: Maybe this was their childhood dream car 6: They know it confuses you, so they did it to give you something to talk about 7: They have to pick up (single) clients from time to time and wanted to impress them 8: They just wanted something different

Is this the right place to post about coworkers recently buying and admiring each other's cars? Recently. two co workers bought Mustangs and one bought a convertible looking Chevy. I don't know what it's called but it looks like the Mustang. Talking about how the Mustang was like only 30 something grand with some type of Engine, etc.

I'm in no place to be shaming car purchases as prior to Mustachianism, I bought a new Honda Fit, but not even sure why they bought these cars as they all had perfectly running cars before this.

To be fair, you get a lot of car for your buck with the new mustangs and camaros. Other cars cost a lot more for similar HP/torque (I'm looking at you Nissan...)I totally get it, not everyone sees a car as something to get from A to B. Still, I'd rather buy an older sports car for 1/4 the price and add some modifications...They took the lazy way out. Not really something I'd brag about personally.

I've quit being surprised by new vehicle prices and now assume all new cars are $30K-$40K. This blows my mind but...

Meanwhile we drive much older and much, much cheaper vehicles which continue to be reliable and comfortable. Both vehicles combined cost less than a trip to Disney. ;)

That all depends on how you do Disney. :) Stay in a non-disney hotel, take a shuttle to the parks, pack your lunch, stay long enough to get the steep discounts...you can manage to do it fairly cheaply on a per-person-day basis!

I've quit being surprised by new vehicle prices and now assume all new cars are $30K-$40K. This blows my mind but...

Meanwhile we drive much older and much, much cheaper vehicles which continue to be reliable and comfortable. Both vehicles combined cost less than a trip to Disney. ;)

That all depends on how you do Disney. :) Stay in a non-disney hotel, take a shuttle to the parks, pack your lunch, stay long enough to get the steep discounts...you can manage to do it fairly cheaply on a per-person-day basis!

It's the stay long enough to get the steep discounts where they get you. Most people end up spending A LOT more because they go so many days! That way it's less per day.

SMH! It's been a long time since I've spent that much in a weekend, and that was when I went to visit my cousin for a vacation, and the $650 included the airfare.

About 15 years ago, I expensed a meal at the Steak and Lobster Co, Palm Springs CA, for 6 or 8 people, and only got to ~$500 with tip. Still the most expensive meal/entertainment I've ever done. PS, I discovered that I'm not a big fan of lobster thermidor.

SMH! It's been a long time since I've spent that much in a weekend, and that was when I went to visit my cousin for a vacation, and the $650 included the airfare.

About 15 years ago, I expensed a meal at the Steak and Lobster Co, Palm Springs CA, for 6 or 8 people, and only got to ~$500 with tip. Still the most expensive meal/entertainment I've ever done. PS, I discovered that I'm not a big fan of lobster thermidor.

You know, I really don't see what the big deal about lobster is. The last time I had lobster tail was about a decade ago and I don't recall the meal being anything special and a year or so ago I had a lobster roll that was very good but imo it wasn't the lobster that made it. I'm certain that it would have been great had it been a crab meat or something else. That said, I would love to do a lobster bake with some friends this summer.

Now when I was in SF a few years ago, me and my dad got a crab roll at fisherman's wharf that while likely overpriced (he paid) was absolutely amazing! I'm glad that I didn't pay for the food on that trip because it was all very good and all likely expensive. I think my favorite meal there was at HDR (Spicy Kimchi Pork Burrito for the WIN!).

Scenario: you're getting laid off. You've been with your company for a long time, twenty-seven years, but you have money issues to the tune of talking to collection agencies every day. Since you've been with the company so long, when everything ends you're going to walk out of here with a decent-sized five-figure check. What are you going to do with it?

A) Pay off those debts and get those crazy collection agencies off my back!

or

B) I'm gonna buy me a new Escalade! I DESERVE IT after all this time, mm-hmm! Nice little retirement present! The bills can wait!

Scenario: you're getting laid off. You've been with your company for a long time, twenty-seven years, but you have money issues to the tune of talking to collection agencies every day. Since you've been with the company so long, when everything ends you're going to walk out of here with a decent-sized five-figure check. What are you going to do with it?

A) Pay off those debts and get those crazy collection agencies off my back!

or

B) I'm gonna buy me a new Escalade! I DESERVE IT after all this time, mm-hmm! Nice little retirement present! The bills can wait!

Scenario: you're getting laid off. You've been with your company for a long time, twenty-seven years, but you have money issues to the tune of talking to collection agencies every day. Since you've been with the company so long, when everything ends you're going to walk out of here with a decent-sized five-figure check. What are you going to do with it?

A) Pay off those debts and get those crazy collection agencies off my back!

or

B) I'm gonna buy me a new Escalade! I DESERVE IT after all this time, mm-hmm! Nice little retirement present! The bills can wait!

Guess which one my coworker chose?

/headdesk

Maybe he plans to live in it? He better get the extended version :)

She already lives with her sister rent-free. AND she has a 2016 Ford Focus.

SMH! It's been a long time since I've spent that much in a weekend, and that was when I went to visit my cousin for a vacation, and the $650 included the airfare.

About 15 years ago, I expensed a meal at the Steak and Lobster Co, Palm Springs CA, for 6 or 8 people, and only got to ~$500 with tip. Still the most expensive meal/entertainment I've ever done. PS, I discovered that I'm not a big fan of lobster thermidor.

You know, I really don't see what the big deal about lobster is. The last time I had lobster tail was about a decade ago and I don't recall the meal being anything special and a year or so ago I had a lobster roll that was very good but imo it wasn't the lobster that made it. I'm certain that it would have been great had it been a crab meat or something else. That said, I would love to do a lobster bake with some friends this summer.

Now when I was in SF a few years ago, me and my dad got a crab roll at fisherman's wharf that while likely overpriced (he paid) was absolutely amazing! I'm glad that I didn't pay for the food on that trip because it was all very good and all likely expensive. I think my favorite meal there was at HDR (Spicy Kimchi Pork Burrito for the WIN!).

You gotta get your lobster at the right place. Usually the "right place" is a snack bar-looking hut on a pier with some picnic tables out front and there are a lot of fishing boats tied up right near it, and there's a constant train of scruffy-looking 5-gal buckets coming off of said fishing boats into the back of said snack bar hut. This place is probably somewhere on the New England coast.

Something like this:

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SMH! It's been a long time since I've spent that much in a weekend, and that was when I went to visit my cousin for a vacation, and the $650 included the airfare.

About 15 years ago, I expensed a meal at the Steak and Lobster Co, Palm Springs CA, for 6 or 8 people, and only got to ~$500 with tip. Still the most expensive meal/entertainment I've ever done. PS, I discovered that I'm not a big fan of lobster thermidor.

You know, I really don't see what the big deal about lobster is. The last time I had lobster tail was about a decade ago and I don't recall the meal being anything special and a year or so ago I had a lobster roll that was very good but imo it wasn't the lobster that made it. I'm certain that it would have been great had it been a crab meat or something else. That said, I would love to do a lobster bake with some friends this summer.

Now when I was in SF a few years ago, me and my dad got a crab roll at fisherman's wharf that while likely overpriced (he paid) was absolutely amazing! I'm glad that I didn't pay for the food on that trip because it was all very good and all likely expensive. I think my favorite meal there was at HDR (Spicy Kimchi Pork Burrito for the WIN!).

You gotta get your lobster at the right place. Usually the "right place" is a snack bar-looking hut on a pier with some picnic tables out front and there are a lot of fishing boats tied up right near it, and there's a constant train of scruffy-looking 5-gal buckets coming off of said fishing boats into the back of said snack bar hut. This place is probably somewhere on the New England coast.

Yeah I can definitely see the appeal of lobster straight from the fishing boats. I want to go to Maine sometime for lobster, it's just not that high up on my list of vacation destinations.

SMH! It's been a long time since I've spent that much in a weekend, and that was when I went to visit my cousin for a vacation, and the $650 included the airfare.

About 15 years ago, I expensed a meal at the Steak and Lobster Co, Palm Springs CA, for 6 or 8 people, and only got to ~$500 with tip. Still the most expensive meal/entertainment I've ever done. PS, I discovered that I'm not a big fan of lobster thermidor.

You know, I really don't see what the big deal about lobster is. The last time I had lobster tail was about a decade ago and I don't recall the meal being anything special and a year or so ago I had a lobster roll that was very good but imo it wasn't the lobster that made it. I'm certain that it would have been great had it been a crab meat or something else. That said, I would love to do a lobster bake with some friends this summer.

Now when I was in SF a few years ago, me and my dad got a crab roll at fisherman's wharf that while likely overpriced (he paid) was absolutely amazing! I'm glad that I didn't pay for the food on that trip because it was all very good and all likely expensive. I think my favorite meal there was at HDR (Spicy Kimchi Pork Burrito for the WIN!).

You gotta get your lobster at the right place. Usually the "right place" is a snack bar-looking hut on a pier with some picnic tables out front and there are a lot of fishing boats tied up right near it, and there's a constant train of scruffy-looking 5-gal buckets coming off of said fishing boats into the back of said snack bar hut. This place is probably somewhere on the New England coast.

Yeah I can definitely see the appeal of lobster straight from the fishing boats. I want to go to Maine sometime for lobster, it's just not that high up on my list of vacation destinations.

Don't need to go all the way to Maine. Suggest anywhere on the CT/RI/MA shoreline, Cape Cod, Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard, etc etc etc. I grew up in this area so I'm biased but I really think it's one of the most beautiful parts of the country. There's all kinds of stuff to do, to, between Boston and NYC and points between. Go before Memorial Day or after Labor Day to avoid the crowds.

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SMH! It's been a long time since I've spent that much in a weekend, and that was when I went to visit my cousin for a vacation, and the $650 included the airfare.

About 15 years ago, I expensed a meal at the Steak and Lobster Co, Palm Springs CA, for 6 or 8 people, and only got to ~$500 with tip. Still the most expensive meal/entertainment I've ever done. PS, I discovered that I'm not a big fan of lobster thermidor.

You know, I really don't see what the big deal about lobster is. The last time I had lobster tail was about a decade ago and I don't recall the meal being anything special and a year or so ago I had a lobster roll that was very good but imo it wasn't the lobster that made it. I'm certain that it would have been great had it been a crab meat or something else. That said, I would love to do a lobster bake with some friends this summer.

Now when I was in SF a few years ago, me and my dad got a crab roll at fisherman's wharf that while likely overpriced (he paid) was absolutely amazing! I'm glad that I didn't pay for the food on that trip because it was all very good and all likely expensive. I think my favorite meal there was at HDR (Spicy Kimchi Pork Burrito for the WIN!).

You gotta get your lobster at the right place. Usually the "right place" is a snack bar-looking hut on a pier with some picnic tables out front and there are a lot of fishing boats tied up right near it, and there's a constant train of scruffy-looking 5-gal buckets coming off of said fishing boats into the back of said snack bar hut. This place is probably somewhere on the New England coast.

Yeah I can definitely see the appeal of lobster straight from the fishing boats. I want to go to Maine sometime for lobster, it's just not that high up on my list of vacation destinations.

Don't need to go all the way to Maine. Suggest anywhere on the CT/RI/MA shoreline, Cape Cod, Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard, etc etc etc. I grew up in this area so I'm biased but I really think it's one of the most beautiful parts of the country. There's all kinds of stuff to do, to, between Boston and NYC and points between. Go before Memorial Day or after Labor Day to avoid the crowds.

Good to know! I've been to Martha's Vineyard and didn't think it was anything special, but that likely is due to the people I was with. There is so much of this country and world I need to explore.

Talking about sea food - back in Puerto Rico, I remember going to the river across the street from my home as a 8yo+ and catching freshwater catfish and crabs, along with other fish, and taking them back to my grandma's who lived next to us and her frying everything up for us.

While she cleaned and cooked the seafood. My brothers and I would walk a down the street, knock some coconuts, mangoes, and chiranjas(grapefruit/orange mix) and we would make fresh juices and drink fresh coconut water.

All this talk about lobster reminds me of a law we have on the books. The prisons aren't allowed to feed inmates lobster more than three times a week. Until very recent decades, lobster was considered poor man's food. Lobsters are bottom feeders but great marketing has ensured that maritime lobsters are a high-demand luxury food.

All this talk about lobster reminds me of a law we have on the books. The prisons aren't allowed to feed inmates lobster more than three times a week. Until very recent decades, lobster was considered poor man's food. Lobsters are bottom feeders but great marketing has ensured that maritime lobsters are a high-demand luxury food.

Funny.I guess the same marketing trick has been done with eel, also a fish that eats cadavers and is considered luxury food in some countries, at least when smoked.

Talking about sea food - back in Puerto Rico, I remember going to the river across the street from my home as a 8yo+ and catching freshwater catfish and crabs, along with other fish, and taking them back to my grandma's who lived next to us and her frying everything up for us.

While she cleaned and cooked the seafood. My brothers and I would walk a down the street, knock some coconuts, mangoes, and chiranjas(grapefruit/orange mix) and we would make fresh juices and drink fresh coconut water.

Annnnnd I considered myself dirt poor back then. Ha!

Love this :) I remember wanting to go blackberrying as a child and being told that if we wanted fruit we could just buy it from the supermarket.

All this talk about lobster reminds me of a law we have on the books. The prisons aren't allowed to feed inmates lobster more than three times a week. Until very recent decades, lobster was considered poor man's food. Lobsters are bottom feeders but great marketing has ensured that maritime lobsters are a high-demand luxury food.

Funny.I guess the same marketing trick has been done with eel, also a fish that eats cadavers and is considered luxury food in some countries, at least when smoked.

Yeah, but eel actually tastes good. I love unagi.

It's funny, I remember liking lobster as a child, but didn't enjoy it as an adult (most times were in Montauk NY, probably once in PEI). Maybe I just liked the melted butter?

The car hopping is apparently from a desire to have a nice car that is repair free. Why pay for a $800 repair when you can trade up? Except that it means perpetual payments. Buy something, fix what needs to be fixed and drive it for the next decade. ALL of my used cars need a few repairs at the beginning it seems but then they are reliable for a long, long time.

Aren't most new cars under warranty for a few years?

Buying a new car (or even a new to you car) every year sounds miserable. I hope to have my car for at least another 5-10 years.

On a side note I also did another house call for a retired lady who lives in a very nice house and we got to talking cars. She motioned to her late 90s Pontiac Vibe and said its been a wonderful car. Clearly a Moustachian lady from way back enjoying the benefits of careful choices earlier in life. I know enough about her indirectly to know she is well off and generous with her charities.

All the exterior plastic had turned grey so I assumed it was older than it was.

Just had a DUH moment. Coworker is probably trading in and upgrading each time a car has a significant problem that is "unaffordable". Some creative financing magic and newer car, similar payment, problem gone, debt extended...

Not sharing here so much to ridicule just SMH, would like to help but I'm not the voice of reason that has the power to break expensive habits in other people.

DH came home one day and told me his coworkers asked him to join a new group they were creating.

There was going to be 10 members in the group. Each week, every member would contribute $50. At the end of the week, the group would hold a drawing, and the winner would take home that week's money. They would continue this for 10 weeks, and each person could win only once.

DH came home one day and told me his coworkers asked him to join a new group they were creating.

There was going to be 10 members in the group. Each week, every member would contribute $50. At the end of the week, the group would hold a drawing, and the winner would take home that week's money. They would continue this for 10 weeks, and each person could win only once.

DH came home one day and told me his coworkers asked him to join a new group they were creating.

There was going to be 10 members in the group. Each week, every member would contribute $50. At the end of the week, the group would hold a drawing, and the winner would take home that week's money. They would continue this for 10 weeks, and each person could win only once.

All this talk about lobster reminds me of a law we have on the books. The prisons aren't allowed to feed inmates lobster more than three times a week. Until very recent decades, lobster was considered poor man's food. Lobsters are bottom feeders but great marketing has ensured that maritime lobsters are a high-demand luxury food.

We have similar laws along all the old salmon rivers: "Crofters and servants shall not be served salmon more than 3 times a week". Today the wild salmon is gone from several of the rivers, but the farmed salmon is getting so cheap that the laws might come to use again.

Lobster is nice, but I think crab claws taste equally good. I don't really get the crayfish hype - loads of work and a big mess for very little food.

DH came home one day and told me his coworkers asked him to join a new group they were creating.

There was going to be 10 members in the group. Each week, every member would contribute $50. At the end of the week, the group would hold a drawing, and the winner would take home that week's money. They would continue this for 10 weeks, and each person could win only once.

That system is called a sou-sou (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sou-sou). It makes sense if you're in an area without banking, or have limited control over your finances, but I'm assuming those things don't apply to you're co-workers.

That system is called a sou-sou (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sou-sou). It makes sense if you're in an area without banking, or have limited control over your finances, but I'm assuming those things don't apply to you're co-workers.

All this talk about lobster reminds me of a law we have on the books. The prisons aren't allowed to feed inmates lobster more than three times a week. Until very recent decades, lobster was considered poor man's food. Lobsters are bottom feeders but great marketing has ensured that maritime lobsters are a high-demand luxury food.

Marketing and butter. Lots and lots of butter. Ask a lobster fan to eat one without butter and see what happens.

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All this talk about lobster reminds me of a law we have on the books. The prisons aren't allowed to feed inmates lobster more than three times a week. Until very recent decades, lobster was considered poor man's food. Lobsters are bottom feeders but great marketing has ensured that maritime lobsters are a high-demand luxury food.

Marketing and butter. Lots and lots of butter. Ask a lobster fan to eat one without butter and see what happens.

I would take you up on that in a split second. I once ate a lobster in the airport using only its own claws as a tool (no butter, no cutlery). I love the taste so much, but it's not a cheap treat.

All this talk about lobster reminds me of a law we have on the books. The prisons aren't allowed to feed inmates lobster more than three times a week. Until very recent decades, lobster was considered poor man's food. Lobsters are bottom feeders but great marketing has ensured that maritime lobsters are a high-demand luxury food.

Marketing and butter. Lots and lots of butter. Ask a lobster fan to eat one without butter and see what happens.

I would take you up on that in a split second. I once ate a lobster in the airport using only its own claws as a tool (no butter, no cutlery). I love the taste so much, but it's not a cheap treat.

This is just one person's opinion but I gotta side with carless on this one. I thoroughly enjoy lobster without butter or anything else.

All this talk about lobster reminds me of a law we have on the books. The prisons aren't allowed to feed inmates lobster more than three times a week. Until very recent decades, lobster was considered poor man's food. Lobsters are bottom feeders but great marketing has ensured that maritime lobsters are a high-demand luxury food.

Marketing and butter. Lots and lots of butter. Ask a lobster fan to eat one without butter and see what happens.

That system is called a sou-sou (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sou-sou). It makes sense if you're in an area without banking, or have limited control over your finances, but I'm assuming those things don't apply to you're co-workers.

Interesting! Thank you for sharing that!

This kind of system is common in the Hmung community here. They also pool money to provide home and real estate loans. It's a great system when everyone contributes, but a few deadbeats can wreak havoc unless they're kicked out.