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Redskins looking at receiver help

On Tuesday, Washington coaches ran at least two free agent receivers through workouts at Redskins Park. You don't have to strain your eyes too hard to read between the lines here: There's room for an upgrade among the current group of receivers on the 53-man roster.

Clearly, Redskins coaches believe they need help at receiver, which might not bode well for Devin Thomas and Roydell Williams. Thomas has shown himself to be a solid kick returner, but he's run just one play as a receiver in three games. Roydell Williams has just two catches in two games.

Of course, it could reflect on the entire group. Joey Galloway has started, but he has only three catches, didn't start against St. Louis and isn't a frequent target of McNabb's passes. Anthony Armstrong, who has two catches in two games, says he was healthy
enough to play last Sunday but coaches put him on the inactive list.
Santana Moss is the team's only wide receiver with more than three catches.

Stu, I understand that he is getting doubleteamed, my point is that he is looking like he is moving in slow motion and I'm surprised other teams have not tried to single team him to see what happens.
Can you at least admit that he isn't the ProBowl player he was 2 years ago?

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

So your surprised other NFL teams dont do what you think??? Well you shouldnt be beacuse a lot of people would be getting fired if you kept trading one of oyur best players for late round picks.

No he is not playing at the same calibur he did two years ago. But i still think his play time will be ramped up and he may begin to regain some of his old form.

But anyways the point is that even with his lesser ability then 2 years ago he is way better then any other options we have. And way way way better then anything thing that we will pick up in the 4th and 5th rounds.
This is where our opinions very. You think he is doing nothing but standing on the sidelines and we can get anyone to do that. That is not what is happening. You say you dont care who they put in "somebody" should take his place. If there were somebody they would have, its not worth the headache, there ISNT. You also put far to much faith in our ability to get something our of a late round pick. I think were terrible with late rounders.

The Saints just released Adrian Arrington. He played well in preseason with the Saints as a receiver but he doesn't do teams. He runs about 6' 3", so he would automatically become the tallest receiver.

The Saints just released Adrian Arrington. He played well in preseason with the Saints as a receiver but he doesn't do teams. He runs about 6' 3", so he would automatically become the tallest receiver.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 29, 2010 3:39 PM
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That's good because that way you won't spill your coffee dropping it to make a two hand catch. Now, if you ran the forty in less than a day and a half, the team might need you.

The Saints just released Adrian Arrington. He played well in preseason with the Saints as a receiver but he doesn't do teams. He runs about 6' 3", so he would automatically become the tallest receiver.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 3:37 PM |

He was decent at Michigan.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2010 3:40 PM
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It would be kind of ironic since they released him to make room on their roster for Ladell Betts.

That's good because that way you won't spill your coffee dropping it to make a two hand catch. Now, if you ran the forty in less than a day and a half, the team might need you.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 3:43 PM

Good news is I don't drink the stuff so I can make the tough grabs too...bad news is you're right...the 40 time needs a little work...Oh I don't like to fall down or get hit anymore either...so I'd prob end up on the bench with CP anyway...screw it...I'm not available.

I don't really understand. The other receivers aren't getting any catches b/c 90% of the time they aren't targeted. I've seen one roydell williams catch, b/c he's only been thrown to once.

The only receiver (to my knowledge) that's been targeted multiple times other than Moss is Galloway. And he's dropped two already? So yeah, boot him and give these other guys a shot at least. Armstrong has been targeted 4, 5 times? They talked him up a bunch in the preseason. Give him a shot then! Christ!

Where's Antonio Bryant and why isn't he being looked at? I know he was injured in camp, but he's had time to heal. Also, Andre Carter should be dangled as trade bait. Teams with a surplus of WR's and a need for a DE should be interested. (Denver?)

This coaching staff is really starting to baffle me. Put Thomas in there and throw him the ball. Same with Armstrong. He showed he can do it but he has to be in the game to do it. I don't understand the thinking on this. We should be trying out DB's.

Cut Galloway. He's washed up or at the very least eroding weekly to that point. He's only had one decent game vs a rookie corner. Other than that: bupkis.

If Devin only gets on the field to run a red zone reverse then I'll be happy. He's the strongest, perhaps fastest and best-blocking WR on the team. I refuse to believe he can't help out at WR each and every week.

Roydell Williams must go. He is sooo slow and useless. They can't cut D. Thomas. Shanahan needs to play him and see what happens in games and stop being a perfectionist dictator. He can only progress if he plays in game situations.

Your responses: If anyone thinks that VJ would come cheap now, you obviously don't know just how stubborn Chargers GM Smith is. (*see how little they gave McNeil to sign eventhough it pretty much means he will surely leave next year)

I'm being open minded about Shanahan, but keeping Joey Galloway was a shock since the guy only runs deep routes. even when he was a young 20-something he only ran deep routes. So at 38 or whatever, he surely ain't running no crossing patterns.

Even disregarding the Saints game, Devin Thomas looked more useful last year than Joey Galloway has so far.

If it all about route running then why are they so high on Galloway? They hardly seem to use routes with him, it seems to be limited to "go deep".

I think Roydell Williams could play a bit part for us this year. He just didn't get much time in the first two games and against the Rams, McNabb was having to deal with Heyer as his blindside protector. However, as this now looks to be a rebuilding year we should put Terrence Austin on the active roster and start scouring other practice squads for raw young talent.

I dont buy that garbage that shanahan sees the wr's every day and he knows what they can do..he see's rabach, heyer, litchensteiger,carter(who is out of position not his fault) galloway, r. williams, armstrong, everyday and then put them into the games to do absolutely NOTHING. shanahan is a FRAUD this bone-head could have signed terell owens who is better than any receiver on the team including moss now he is looking on the street to find another roydell williams and stupidly refuses to play younger players. If it was not for terell davis this guy would have NO name in the nfl other than being a moron.

WOW!!!!This regime is starting to look like the same ole same ole. I'm trying to holdout judgement its too early but, the Haynesworth situation, DT not getting offensive reps, and A.Carter at OLB is puzzling. Please skins don't end my football season before Thanksgiving.

This team is a 100% failure at everything. Ordinarily, I'd say that's hard to do. Then you look at Snyder, and it becomes perfectly clear. Until he has failed with every retread on the planet, this team is doomed. He's the laughing stock of professional sports. I've gotten to the point where I enjoy watching him squirm in his own incompetence.

I think 90 percent of us questioned the move to bring Galloway and Williams into camp and more recently - not playing DT. Well, we won't get an explanation from Shanny - he's mum on his coaching decisions. The man clearly is not trying to win at all costs. He wants to win his way or no way. He may have a plan to get better over time, but we will never know because he's mum on his coaching decisions. We are screwed!!!!

I dont buy that garbage that shanahan sees the wr's every day and he knows what they can do..he see's rabach, heyer, litchensteiger,carter(who is out of position not his fault) galloway, r. williams, armstrong, everyday and then put them into the games to do absolutely NOTHING. shanahan is a FRAUD this bone-head could have signed terell owens who is better than any receiver on the team including moss now he is looking on the street to find another roydell williams and stupidly refuses to play younger players. If it was not for terell davis this guy would have NO name in the nfl other than being a moron.

Posted by: wathu19 | September 29, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

That statement is so dead on. Look at the Rams game 0 pass rush just put in Hanyseworth. Galloway is Trash hated the move moment I saw it. He was cut last year in like the 4th week from the Pats. Your telling me that he sat out the rest of last season and 31 other teams didn't pick him up yet the skins have the scrub starting. I'm over Shanahan and pretty sick of the Skins piss poor decisions. We signed a bunch of old over the hill washed up players. Theres good reason why Shanahan and Bruce Allen were out of the NFL and its showing now. I don't care what anyone says that "theres no talent" DT and AH are sitting on the sidelines. Our only sack agaisnt the Rams was when AH eat up 2 blockers and Rackpo came in free.

"I dont buy that garbage that shanahan sees the wr's every day and he knows what they can do..he see's rabach, heyer, litchensteiger,carter(who is out of position not his fault) galloway, r. williams, armstrong, everyday and then put them into the games to do absolutely NOTHING. shanahan is a FRAUD this bone-head could have signed terell owens who is better than any receiver on the team including moss now he is looking on the street to find another roydell williams and stupidly refuses to play younger players. If it was not for terell davis this guy would have NO name in the nfl other than being a moron."

WATHU I 100% agree with you, there is no reason why DT isnt on the field. The problem lies within Personnel decisions without a sense of accountability... Everyone was so excited with Gibbs 2.0, but I wasnt, Gibbs is a good coach, but a horrible talent evaluator, he wasted multiple drafts and had total autonomy over the drafts but hid behind the shadow of Vinny when in reality those were his picks...
The Zorn Era was led by Vinny and Dan and doomed from the start. Vinny wasnt any good at evaluating talent either.
Shanny Era is similar to the Gibbs Era in which he has total control over personnel decisions and he's proven he'll play bums vs more talented players already.. Going into the regular season with Portis,Johnson, as his RBs he was delusional. The excuse of what backs are available? I dont buy into, RBs are a dime a dozen...

For all the praise we give Gibbs, what did Gibbs ever do without Beathard? Answer: Zero. Beathard left 1989 and the 1991 SB team was made up of mostly players scouted by Beathard. Gibbs bailed in 1993 when he realized he sucked at Personnel decisions and didnt wanna stick around to be proven a fraud.

Wow.. friends, we SUCK! Moss is a midget wrestler at best, Galloway is a plodder, Armstrong should be playing in Edmonton, cooley is a water buffalo in cleats, and DT can get a rep in with those bums out there. that is the meaing of KHAIRTAING! we will be picking in the top 3 picks and that glass eyed, razor lipped weasel shanibag will be taking the loot and doing the scoot.

Well thrers always Brandon Banks , he got some YAC , and he added an element: the X factor, to me thats excitemnet, after all, isn't this supose to entertain us ? Quit F'n us, we want to enjoy Sunday !

A lot of good points here, but glove77: Gibbs was NOT a fraud. He was a great coach who coached players picked by Beathard. When Beathard left, Charley Casserly took over as GM and picked the players. IMHO, Gibbs left because of, among other things, the end of Plan B, where the Redskins had excelled. He only became the "player picker" his 2nd time around. I agree though: he was a horrible talent evaluator. Fraud is too strong a word though.

dont buy that garbage that shanahan sees the wr's every day and he knows what they can do..he see's rabach, heyer, litchensteiger,carter(who is out of position not his fault) galloway, r. williams, armstrong, everyday and then put them into the games to do absolutely NOTHING. shanahan is a FRAUD this bone-head could have signed terell owens who is better than any receiver on the team including moss now he is looking on the street to find another roydell williams and stupidly refuses to play younger players. If it was not for terell davis this guy would have NO name in the nfl other than being a moron.

I don't remember Gibbs every being the GM. I'm assuming you are talking solely about personel decisions, because Gibbs was truly a HOF coach. He won superbowls with THREE different less than great QB's, the same with our RB's with the very notable exception of Riggo, and set the standard for preparing his team and making half time adjustments. Beathard had nothing to do with ANY Of that.

1-7.
The schedule as of Sunday becomes a gauntlet for the month of October, and the ironic conclusion would be losing to the Lions on Halloween.

If the Eagles dominate Sunday, they psychological impact may be too strong to overcome. Andy Reid would look like a genius dumping McNabb on this horrid team, and Shannahan will remain 2-3 shades a deeper red for the rest of the year.
Maybe 1-7 will force Snyder to realize he must truly BLOW UP THIS TEAM from top to bottom and build for 2013 and beyond.
The only 'keepers' on this team right now are Orakpo, T. Williams, Landry, Jarmon, Armstrong, Cooley, and Davis, and Rodgers, brick hands and all.
This team is still in the wilderness.

Hate to break it to you "Gibbs Lovers" but I thought he sucked his second time around. He picked his QBs because they were "good christians". We gave up a 2nd pick for Marc Brunell who sucked and would have been cut anyways, would have been much better of with a free agent. Gibbs drafted Jason Campbell in the first round 1 pick after Aaron Rodgers, I always thought JC got carried by a good team in college. Not to mention that time Gibbs called time out back to back times resulting in a penalty for us to back the kick up. Needless to say I'm thing Shanahan is a joke and only did well with Elway and the fact he played in the AFC west.

Time and again the Skins have good young talent but never take advantage of playing them. Practice is NOT always going to tell you about what a player can or can't do. Some players simply play better in games. I really don't know what happened to this team since the Cooke days. You could say Dan, you could say coaching. But my goodness, you would think after 19 years they would have some sort of identity by now! They still trying to find a consistent identity after 19 years. That is pretty bad by all standards. How long are fans suppose to wait? another 19 years? Get real, life is far too short for that. Selling false hope seems to be the only real consistent thing they've been able to do do. Players/coaches have come and go and have been able to live a pretty good life because of it. And fans still waiting for something to come along that resembles a real NFL team. How does that add up? If this season is a disaster again, Danny I hope you have a plan B to sell season tickets come next year.

D thomas needs a chance he is the only player with big play ability. Shanahan looks old and washed up...another big free agent signing that is turning out to be a bust. thats why they fired his ass in denver because he is a couple years behind the curve.
no point in playing terrible players just to make a point as a coach. Get over the Ego and play some good football

As you said, Devin Thomas has one play at WR... Shanahan is obviously against anyone who was with this team previously and has no interest in even giving the second fastest WR on the team a shot... Its pretty bold statement trying out more scrubs, and based on the two recievers trying out, those some real SCRUBS, before even giving DT a play his way... its just hard headed... But at this point its just more of the same from good old George W. Shanahan...

As you said, Devin Thomas has one play at WR... Shanahan is obviously against anyone who was with this team previously and has no interest in even giving the second fastest WR on the team a shot... Its pretty bold statement trying out more scrubs, and based on the two recievers trying out, those some real SCRUBS, before even giving DT a play his way... its just hard headed... But at this point its just more of the same from good old George W. Shanahan...

Lots of DT luv going on out here. Save for his game vs the Saints last season, tell me what this guy has done consistently well? OK, kickoff returns this season. What else? I think the operative word is consistency. Is he reliable? Does he take plays off or not run as hard when the play is not designed to go his way? Does he fight or battle for the ball in tight coverage? Zorn could hardly trust the guy for two seasons and now its obvious that he is doing the same things causing the new staff to not use him as a WR. I for one would love to see him get his shot, but he clearly has to prove something to the new coaches before he gets his shot. I say its all on him. If he fails, I find it hard to blame the coaches. He's on his 2nd set of coaches and still not getting it done.

Seriously though I want to say one thing. SANTANA MOSS YOUR ARE AWESOME! Really the guy has been our only real receiving threat forever - almost never gets a 1-on-1 - and still produces big yards and critical plays every game. That guy just doesn't get the props he deserves.

Lots of DT luv going on out here. Save for his game vs the Saints last season, tell me what this guy has done consistently well? OK, kickoff returns this season. What else? I think the operative word is consistency. Is he reliable? Does he take plays off or not run as hard when the play is not designed to go his way? Does he fight or battle for the ball in tight coverage? Zorn could hardly trust the guy for two seasons and now its obvious that he is doing the same things causing the new staff to not use him as a WR. I for one would love to see him get his shot, but he clearly has to prove something to the new coaches before he gets his shot. I say its all on him. If he fails, I find it hard to blame the coaches. He's on his 2nd set of coaches and still not getting it done.
Posted by: jimc93 | September 30, 2010 12:38 PM
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Funny you should say that because I was wondering what joey galloway, Anthony Armstrong, and roydell Williams have done to merit more playing time same goes for keeping Ryan train over portis.

Nothing but bone headed and power tripping moves from Fagahan and company. Also good call getting hasslet to run a 3-4 not keeping the 4-3 play some 3_4 then switch when we actually have the correct personal.

Funny you should say that because I was wondering what joey galloway, Anthony Armstrong, and roydell Williams have done to merit more playing time same goes for keeping Ryan train over portis.

Nothing but bone headed and power tripping moves from Fagahan and company. Also good call getting hasslet to run a 3-4 not keeping the 4-3 play some 3_4 then switch when we actually have the correct personal.

Hey, I'm a 4-3 guy, but what part of rebuilding don't you understand. If they want to run the 3-4 then fine. This way the guys who are still going to be here get a year of it under their belts, then we just have to add a few bits and pieces.

Obviously Roydell and Armstrong are outplaying Thomas in practice. It can't be that Thomas is a Cerrato draft pick because Armstrong was picked up by Cerrato too.

I'm a fan of CP#26, but Ryan Torrain is on his way up the depth chart because his fresh legs allow him to do so.

The only receiver (to my knowledge) that's been targeted multiple times other than Moss is Galloway. And he's dropped two already? So yeah, boot him and give these other guys a shot at least. Armstrong has been targeted 4, 5 times? They talked him up a bunch in the preseason. Give him a shot then! Christ!

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | September 29, 2010 3:48 PM

I'm not sure where you saw galloway drop 2 passes. I've seen him miss 2 catches. on one play, it was slightly out of his reach in the end zone and the other was a shot in the end zone and on that particular play, the defender pulled on his right arm as he was reaching for the pass. unfortunately, the refs conveniently missed that call. galloway is easily one of the fastest players on our roster even @ 38 years of age. what we need to question is why moss isn't used more in the slot like wes welker. like most, i'd like to see d thomas on the field but if he hasn't picked up the playbook or runs poor pass routes, that will become a liability in any game.

for all the complaining we do as fans, the simple truth is that none of us are out on the field "making the team better". for those who think shanahan owes us an explanation as to his decisions, get a life! the only man he needs to answer to would be snyder. we're all very passionate about our team winning. we don't like losing to teams that have struggled to win like the rams, but we're also a team struggling to win. it's not for either of us armchair coaches to make the decision...which is why we're either in the stands or sitting in front of the television watching the play by play. if by chance we play better for the remainder of the season, i'm sure everyone who complained will change their tone and say they knew the coach had this planned all along.

It seems like shanny is dead set on winning or losing with his guys, he already has rings as a head coach and it just feels like he wants to be able to take the credit for personel decisions. if thomas or haynesworth have an impact that would be vinnies people contributing and i dont think shanny is interested in winning with vinnies guys

My conspiracy theory brain tells me that Allen and Shanahan are just a facade. Vinny Cerrato is actually still pulling the strings. With the Haynesworth saga and now the short-sightedness on WR(and RB?)...the reminiscent play against the Rams. It all looks like Vinny is still here.

I'll be patient, but if Haslett gets shredded...Donovan has no open WR's...and there is no run game improvement - either from the calling of more or getting more yards...my bet is that Vinny is behind a well orchestrated group of face men.

PUT DEVIN THOMAS IN THERE 4 MORE THAN 1 PLAY!!! START HIM AT NUMBER 2 see how he does plain simple and easy as that.. i guarantee he will do better than any other reciever we got besides moss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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