so if the V4 drives better AND is more powerful why did you put the JB3 back in? Sell the procede to get the Standback?

more powerful? how do you figure?
whens the last time you used a proceed? V2 or v3? what baout jb? seems like a bit of blind fanboi'ism no?

BTW, i plan on buying a V4 and running it as well, just as soon as i have my built motor ready to go in, just so i can show that a v4 with 20psi, 93 oct and no meth failsafe on a stock motor wont save you, regardless of what someone claims

BTW, i plan on buying a V4 and running it as well, just as soon as i have my built motor ready to go in, just so i can show that a v4 with 20psi, 93 oct and no meth failsafe on a stock motor wont save you, regardless of what someone claims

more powerful? how do you figure?
whens the last time you used a proceed? V2 or v3? what baout jb? seems like a bit of blind fanboi'ism no?

BTW, i plan on buying a V4 and running it as well, just as soon as i have my built motor ready to go in, just so i can show that a v4 with 20psi, 93 oct and no meth failsafe on a stock motor wont save you, regardless of what someone claims

more powerful? how do you figure?
whens the last time you used a proceed? V2 or v3? what baout jb? seems like a bit of blind fanboi'ism no?

BTW, i plan on buying a V4 and running it as well, just as soon as i have my built motor ready to go in, just so i can show that a v4 with 20psi, 93 oct and no meth failsafe on a stock motor wont save you, regardless of what someone claims

thats literally what he said, just repeating it.

both tunes can obviously run at the same boost levels while at the threshold of the knock sensors, cant imagine they would be any different in power.

It seems I read weekly trash JB talking from this guy and have to wonder to myself what is motivating it and why he's even poking around N54 forums still? Last tune of ours he ran was the JBX (3 years ago?) and the PROcede was what v2?

It seems I read weekly trash JB talking from this guy and have to wonder to myself what is motivating it and why he's even poking around N54 forums still? Last tune of ours he ran was the JBX (3 years ago?) and the PROcede was what v2?

i'm on here because its interesting. I'm involved in the n54 discussions for 2 reasons. I like the n54 and can see myself owning one again. I also enjoy reading the idiotic comments of many people on these forums as well as the unfortunately seldom intelligent comment.

many of my friends have the n54 still and I get multiple PM questions from users on what they should do with their cars and also install many parts for people.

on the built motor? no, either Sb2 or "JB4" probably back to back depending on how extreme its built.

for the stock motor, my post was refering to once the built motor is ready for install, i wouldnt mind proving, or disproving rather, claims of a certain tunes ability to ""save" the motor if too much boost is used on pumpgas with meth, no failsafe and meth cuts off. as someone claims it would do

on the built motor? no, either Sb2 or "JB4" probably back to back depending on how extreme its built.

for the stock motor, my post was refering to once the built motor is ready for install, i wouldnt mind proving, or disproving rather, claims of a certain tunes ability to ""save" the motor if too much boost is used on pumpgas with meth, no failsafe and meth cuts off. as someone claims it would do

when are you builiding a n54? should be interesting. PLEASE tell me your going lower compression and single turbo or at least somehow upgraded twins. I know you have Beck's but i'm referring to actually larger housings and DBB.

is it possible to make the n54 upright w different mounts and a tranny adapter? I think that would be best, then custom mani's and twin gt30r's would fit no problem.

oh this post by Defacto pretty much sums it up, god I want his M6......:

Originally Posted by DefactoM6

Vishnu Procede V4. It's head and shoulders above a JB3. It's a safer, smoother, more reliable, refined, controlled, featured, integrated and all-around better tune than the JB3. It is more expensive than a JB3 by itself, but if you added the DPfix+Speed Delimiter+Cantool+BT Cable (the V4 has all of those features, and in most cases, does a 10000x better job at it than the BMS) to make it a fair comparison, a V4 costs basically the same, but is still a vastly superior, better engineered product.

I've had both tunes on my car, bone stock. I had the JB3 first. I think you can guess which one I'm running.

I strongly suggest that you take the time to educate yourself...read the stickies at the top of this forum, read Maximum Boost by Corky Bell (another forum member posted a PDF to the book if you don't want to bother finding the hard copy). Then learn about how each tune works, and learn about it from third parties...from users, from people who know their stuff. And to be quite frank, the number of people who fit that qualification around here is probably 5%. Though I have tuned my e24, I am far from an arbiter on all things engine and turbo...but I did educate myself enough to make an informed decision when it came time to tune my E92. I would strongly suggest doing the same.

And if all else fails, listen to the people who have had both tunes (or more). They're in a much better position to speak on how they work. And for what it's worth, whether here or on other N54-focused forums, the guys who try multiple tunes are usually switching one direction...and it isn't toward the JB3.

when are you builiding a n54? should be interesting. PLEASE tell me your going lower compression and single turbo or at least somehow upgraded twins. I know you have Beck's but i'm referring to actually larger housings and DBB.

is it possible to make the n54 upright w different mounts and a tranny adapter? I think that would be best, then custom mani's and twin gt30r's would fit no problem.

there is the dilema, ive source parts/prices and even just to swap pistons, its about $6k add rods and head, looking at $9k, add the 2nd fueling system thats not realeased or priced yet, add what 1-2k? so im trying to keep it on a bugdet, but worthwhile, also, with no different DD ability from that the car is now. so im thinking, at the moment, keepin stock compression with CP pistons, keeping RB's, and just upgrading heads, rods ect. for strength. RB's good for about 25-26psi, currently runnign@ 20, so a simple streesleeper n54, with 600+ rwhp is enough.

but with current developments happenig so much more often, who knows. this is just the current plan/theory

plus, since im 6At, who knows what the tranny can actually handle, and i dont want to be the first to find out, and then find out ive go too much power for it and dump another 10k into that

Wiat, did i just read this right steve?
You are going to put your built motor in danger to proove a point? You do realize that you can a motor capable of 1500whp, if you knock, it will blow sky high just like a stock motor. Seem kind of foolish to put a built motor in danger to proove a point.

someone has to educate the masses, not everyone can be wrong. Someone has to be the teacher.

^ not saying that I am.

Good that you are not with the "educators".
This DefactoM6 guy is one of them though. His post has no technical information whatsoever. The only thing he really says is that one should listen to the other "educators"... He has just finished reading his Corky Bell that i read almost 20 years ago, and now he has been told by the other educators that Corky knew already back then how to tune MSD80 or MSD81... this DefactoM6 guy knows nothing himself.

Wiat, did i just read this right steve?
You are going to put your built motor in danger to proove a point? You do realize that you can a motor capable of 1500whp, if you knock, it will blow sky high just like a stock motor. Seem kind of foolish to put a built motor in danger to proove a point.

no, only bms and cpe will touch the built motor, im saying im ok with sacrificing the stock one to show what can happen if enough octane isnt used, regardless of tune