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Hating on the Knicks

There is no question that the Nets will be a very good team this year, but sports radio is acting like every possible best scenario will work out for the Nets (Brook Lopez, Garnett, and Pierce play 82 games, etc.), Bulls, and Pacers, and nothing can go right for the Knicks:

1) Amar'e will never play another game, and will get an extension from the Knicks after he retires
2) Bargnani will not even play as well as a Knick as he did as a Raptor, let alone better
3) Shumpert cannot possibly take a major step forward this year, or will be waived for Joe Barry Carroll making a comeback
4) Hardaway and Leslie cannot possibly become solid rotation players, or better
5) Chandler cannot possibly stay healthy with better support
6) Prigioni could not possibly take a big step forward in his second year playing the NBA game
7) World Peace is over the hill, but Pierce and Garnett went back to being 28
8) the Knicks cannot possibly sign a 3rd string PG who contributes
9) the Knicks cannot possibly sign a few competent backup bigs
10) Melo cannot possibly play better than last year, and will obviously play much worse
11) JR Smith cannot possibly continue to improve, and will likely join Aaron Hernandez in jail
12) Kenyon Martin will not re-sign with the Knicks but instead join Alvin Ailey
13) the loss of Kidd and Copeland, last year's Knicks All Stars, guarantees at least ten more losses this year

Sure, if all thirteen of the above assumptions are correct, the Knicks cannot possibly improve on 54 wins.

Oh, and BTW, even if they are the fifth or sixth seed, a #5 or #6 has never made it to the conference finals.

Keep assuming all of the above is correct, and I will keep hoping that none of it is.

> somehow "hatin' on the knicks" reminds me of the song "puttin' on the ritz"...

MAJOR LOL!!!!!!

Watching the video now, singing along with "hating on the knicks", and thinking maybe Peter Boyle would make a good enforcer for the Knicks...

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And BTW, I think that Grunwald is being great on this. My take is that the Knicks still have 5 open roster spots (granted that two of them likely go to Leslie and Martin) so the Knicks roster is far from done. Sports radio is trying to pressure them to make moves in July that might get better value in September, and unfairly comparing 2/3 of a roster to more or less completed rival rosters.

I could care less who is the best team in the Atlantic, or the top four in the East in November and December, let alone in July. The question is who is playing well in March, April, and beyond.

I am hoping the Knicks by getting significantly younger, healthier, and more traditionally complete this year will be peaking at the end while their competition is breaking down (obviously the opposite of what occurred last season).

Amazing how much hate goes around for the Knicks. So many of those points are actually going to go the Knicks way that there is nothing to worry about. I expect another great season, the only question is if it will be better considering the competion upgrades and everyone overall health. One can only guess, we all will have to wait and see.

a majority of the hate for the knicks is directed at dolan as much as the knicks team. a lot of people don't like the way dolan does things. personally, i think it's unfair that the media takes out their issues with dolan on the team itself. for example, frank isola wrote an article in today's daily news that basically said the knicks made good moves with bargnani and peace, but because dolan is the owner the moves suck. that's unfair in my opinion.

There is no question that the Nets will be a very good team this year, but sports radio is acting like every possible best scenario will work out for the Nets (Brook Lopez, Garnett, and Pierce play 82 games, etc.), Bulls, and Pacers, and nothing can go right for the Knicks:

1) Amar'e will never play another game, and will get an extension from the Knicks after he retires
2) Bargnani will not even play as well as a Knick as he did as a Raptor, let alone better
3) Shumpert cannot possibly take a major step forward this year, or will be waived for Joe Barry Carroll making a comeback
4) Hardaway and Leslie cannot possibly become solid rotation players, or better
5) Chandler cannot possibly stay healthy with better support
6) Prigioni could not possibly take a big step forward in his second year playing the NBA game
7) World Peace is over the hill, but Pierce and Garnett went back to being 28
8) the Knicks cannot possibly sign a 3rd string PG who contributes
9) the Knicks cannot possibly sign a few competent backup bigs
10) Melo cannot possibly play better than last year, and will obviously play much worse
11) JR Smith cannot possibly continue to improve, and will likely join Aaron Hernandez in jail
12) Kenyon Martin will not re-sign with the Knicks but instead join Alvin Ailey
13) the loss of Kidd and Copeland, last year's Knicks All Stars, guarantees at least ten more losses this year

Sure, if all thirteen of the above assumptions are correct, the Knicks cannot possibly improve on 54 wins.

Oh, and BTW, even if they are the fifth or sixth seed, a #5 or #6 has never made it to the conference finals.

Keep assuming all of the above is correct, and I will keep hoping that none of it is.

good stuff, favorite was number 7! those who bash us getting Metta and say that are expectations are too high are the same guys swearing that KG and Pierce have so much to offer.

The fact of the matter is Knick fans are not excited that we got Ron Ron because we think he going to return back to his 07 All Star form...we are excited because we added another defender in our starting 5. Shump,Tyson and MWP are 3 All NBA calliber defenders so the complexion of our team changes majorly. With Melo being moved to the 4 the SF position was greatly compromised so this allows Shump to return to SG, this a lone is gives us 2 more wins next season and hell would have given us 2 more wins in the playoffs this year!

Allow me to add hypothetical point number 14

14.The return of Derrick Rose will adversely affect The Knicks win total despite The Knicks going 0-4 against CHicago without Rose

I keep hearing this about D Rose coming back being another reason why The Knicks will not be as successful, yet as stated above we went 0-4 against Chi so explain how him returning hurts our win total, LOL

the problem is that Fans and media folks love dramatic change it adds excitement but not always results. I bring up The Grizz and Lakers last year. Mephis did very little in Summer of 2012 and Lakers seemingly hit a homerun yet who went further in playoffs and by far had the better season?

Mavs and Heat 2011: Heat "hit the jackpot" all The Mavs did was bring in Tyson Chandler (who was not even a full time starter for Bobcats) and re-sign Dirk but who won The NBA Championship!

A lot can be said about moves that are not made and teams just building chemistry. A team that wins 54 games really should not be looking to make any dramatic moves unless you know for certain it will turn you into a better team, for instance if somehow we could have traded for Chris Paul and not gave up Melo or Tyson then sure you make that move, yet aside from that sort of upgrade you just tweak a little

let me add one more

15. Knicks should have used their lofty 3 million dollar exception to sign a Mega Star

those expecting a huge offseason this year is frankly pretty delusional! I think Grunwald did about as good as he could, he drafted a potentially good player, did not let JR get away, brought back Priggs and did not overpay Copeland, bring back Kmart and I say mission complete

"I'd Rather Melo shoot with 3 men on him than Jefferies shotting wide open"

Hating on the Knicks is just par for the course. It's what makes me proud to be a Knicks fan. 'Cause hey, **** you too.

Nets are a team that needs to put asses in the seats now. Starting in a new territory, trying to steal fans away is a priority. It was a good move on their part to sell jersey's. But i'm not worried. Melo is still the #1 jersey in the world and Knicks are still better then the 2012/13 Nets and Celtics put together. I'm looking forward to the proof pudding that Charles Barkley will no doubt be chowing on again.

Heat didn't get any better and lost Miller who was clutch in the playoffs for them. In my mind this brings them down from their perch a tad.

Cavs have a plan but are still only a 1st round team of young players with limited playoff experience and huge question marks all over their lineups.

Celtics are done. Rondo will be exposed now that he doesn't have anyone to pass to.

Indy will have distractions off the court this year and Paul George talking about going to the lakers is telling of the locker room situation there. West isn't getting any younger.

Bulls have rose back but are losing out on a lot of depth that they held last year. I also feel that a DRose comeback will be anti-climatic as he's been away from the game for an entire year and who knows how his speed, durability and agilty will hold up. remember that that these were his biggest strengths.

The Knicks for their part have brought back all the major pieces that led them to a #2 finish in the East while adding toughness, defense and scoring in Metta World Peace and scoring, spacing and bench scoring help in Bargni (with a high ceiling still. The guy is young and could take off under veteran mentorship). Also keep in mind a lot of what has held the Knicks back in recent years was a lack of continuity. The team changed complextion so often that teammates never got a chance to work together. Last year was techincally Melo and Amar'e's first full season and even then Amar'e was shut down for most of the year. Lets see what happens this year with a #knickstape squad that will be playing with a chip on their shoulder before giving in to the hate and vitriol that so many posses for the Knicks.

What I think the pundits are missing is that the Knicks strength is their depth and flexibility.

The pundits are consumed with the issue of keeping Melo at the 4. This worked last year because it created mismatches, but it also failed for the same reason.

The mistake is focusing solely on a team's "identity".

The great teams of the past were good at multiple styles. They could run. They could play the half-court. They could score inside. They could score outside. They could isolate. They could move the ball. They could post up. They could defend the paint. They could defend the perimeter. They could defend in transition.

The Knicks are not "there" yet. But they have the pieces to be much better in multiple areas. So the prescription is to keep working, keep building, keep developing, and keep experimenting; not to settle down into a single style and an 8-man rotation.

Far far away from the orgy that consist of clyde, 8's, rady, smokes and rono

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Originally Posted by nixon7

What I think the pundits are missing is that the Knicks strength is their depth and flexibility.

The pundits are consumed with the issue of keeping Melo at the 4. This worked last year because it created mismatches, but it also failed for the same reason.

The mistake is focusing solely on a team's "identity".

The great teams of the past were good at multiple styles. They could run. They could play the half-court. They could score inside. They could score outside. They could isolate. They could move the ball. They could post up. They could defend the paint. They could defend the perimeter. They could defend in transition.

The Knicks are not "there" yet. But they have the pieces to be much better in multiple areas. So the prescription is to keep working, keep building, keep developing, and keep experimenting; not to settle down into a single style and an 8-man rotation.

the only pundits are the dudes who buy this depth gimmick and go too far with it.

Don't buy gimmicks so easily.

What makes everything for certain that Bargnani, Melo, Chandler, Amare, Felton and Smith can stay healthy? Our core guys have had serious injuries within the past year. For now, their health will be a question mark until they can prove they can play 70+ games in the season healthy. Melo and Chandler played hurt, so did Amare and Felton.

If you say Knicks strength is their bench, then that's weak. It's all gimmicks and good faith.