"Most people are law-abiding citizens and may go ahead and sell those or turn those over, but you're going to have a fraction of people that are going to take a stand, and I can just predict a Waco-style standoff in some rural area and it's not going to end well," Gloversville, New York Mayor Dayton King (R) said about New York state's new gun control laws that Gov. Cuomo recently signed into law.

A key thing at Waco was after the initial exchange of gunfire, did the Feds fire indiscriminantly from helicopters down onto a large structure known to contain women and kids? It’s important because 4 people died as a result of that gunfire.

The claim of the feds was emphatic; they only shot in cases where it could be clearly seen that there were armed hostile people. But the civilians inside said the fire rained down on them through the roof, and from many sides.

The structure contained those bullet holes —those were evidence.

The burning of the whole structure ensured that this important evidence would not come out.

The Feds ALWAYS fight dirty with no consideration given to “collateral damage”. Of course they fired from the helicopters.

If one reviews the history of modern federal sieges they always seem to end in conflagrations.

They had a chopper ready to go to drop flammable liquids on Randy Weaver’s cabin in Idaho to burn up THAT evidence but some of the locals found out and would have been witnesses so they abandoned the idea. The rats can’t stand the daylight.

"......and I can just predict a Waco-style standoff in some rural area and it's not going to end well,"

What Mister King is saying that the government will murder these citizens who are trying to protect their rights, just like they did to the dozens and dozens of men, women and children at Waco.

What Mister King does not realize, his problem [he and his government] is more pervasive this time. It isn't the case of a religious extremist being made to seem dangerous; it's a case of the Democrats, Media and rabid controlling liberals demonizing law-abiding citizens.

A question out of curiousity: If one is a NY citizen owning banned guns and moves them to a state where a second home or relative is located, is he still in violation? Seems to me this might be an encroachment on neighboring state laws as well.

Why do the New York PD need to be outfitted like they are in Afghanistan?

History repeats.

Our revolutionary era commissioners in Europe, among them John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, were astounded at the grinding poverty of the masses and the wealth of the nobles. That the princes feared the peasants was evident by their heavily armed security entourages. Government buildings were also stoutly defended by muskets with bayonets fixed.

They were relieved that in our fledgling republics, where the people were sovereign, and government was servant and not master, the specter of standing armies to protect the government was an irrelevant impossibility.

In the 1970s I saw much the same in various Navy liberty ports in Europe; soldiers always posted at various points throughout the cities. I thanked God that would never happen in America.

Now, in my tiny county in north Florida, (population 15,000) I must go through a metal detector manned by an armed deputy to enter the courthouse. To enter the county commissioners meeting room within the courthouse, I must do the same; empty pockets and submit to a search.

I refuse to fly on an airline for the same reason I will not again enter my county courthouse; I am not a criminal, I am not dangerous and refuse to conduct myself as if I were.

I don't think the ruling class understands they are fast losing all legitimacy. When that happens, order can only be maintained by pure force, and not reason.

They will never take my guns.

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posted on 01/18/2013 1:07:33 PM PST
by Jacquerie
("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)

I don’t think the ruling class understands they are fast losing all legitimacy. When that happens, order can only be maintained by pure force, and not reason.

The ruling class also forgets we know where they live or can be found.

If I remember my history, subject population when deprived of the same sort of weapons that the ruling class and their “men-at-arms” used came up with ingenious alternatives.

China and Japan, Korea and many of the other Asiatic nations developed unarmed combat regimens. Some even learned how to adapt common farming implements into amazing weapons.

My point here is that once they set foot on the road to tyranny and set themselves above the people they were elected to serve then all bets are off. They obviously have thought about this for some time now and now they intend to act.

How the people reacts should be totally unconventional and asymmetric in turn. Another Freeper has talked of a Militia of one. It’s a good idea to me. One can keep a secret, two have a difficult time doing so.

“...Why do the New York PD need to be outfitted like they are in Afghanistan?...”

In case us peons get “uppity”...

A long, long time ago, I remember other uniforms and helmets that looked eerily similar... and a little guy with a funny mustache and greasy hair was telling them to take the peoples’ guns then, too...

Funny how that works, ain’t it?

We all know how THAT turned out. Lessons for people in power to remember...

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posted on 01/18/2013 4:36:44 PM PST
by NFHale
(The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)

Indeed, just like with Ben Gahzi, they are trying to blame our free speech or guns for terrorist activities or their own this time.

We are in a state of war against a terror aparatus as the emotions of lunatic liberals and their vote seduction politicians are turning more knee jerk by the minute.

Interestingly the so called moderate in this country are also grabbing at some extremism straws of blame in order to justify the normalcy of relations they have with these obvious virtual pedophiles doing Barney songs against gun clingers in the White house, so to speak.

It’s all about kiddie seduction, folkes, and Obambie is good at it, trained since youth.

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posted on 01/18/2013 6:15:50 PM PST
by JudgemAll
(Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)

"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches." - G. Gordon Liddy, 26 Aug 94

I could see something like this happening, and it would have to be the Feds ordered in, because I know for a fact in the city my husband works in as a FF, not one police officer or firefighter supports this law and the only talk is how to get around it. We're in upstate NY. I only mention my husband is a firefighter because while the Police will not have restrictions put on them, FF’s (obviously not the Police) work in the same complex as the PD and even though the FF’s are just “average citizens” when it comes to the idiotic NY law, all of the PD and FF’s are all in agreement. They will not take part in confiscation of their neighbors weapons, I don't believe.

I have another relative, ex marine, collector and gun enthusiast all his life. Teaches gun safety. I really fear what will happen if the Feds or state attempted to confiscate. He has no children, and would take a stand. I also know state troopers that will not enforce confiscation if ordered.

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