Harvin's a playmaker with an unflattering injury history. If PC & JS thought he was the guy to take us to the next level then I'd be totally stoked to bring him in at whatever price they think he's worth. But I doubt they do it and I honestly don't think that, as a WR, he's much better than Golden Tate, if at all. As a "flex" type player, sure, he adds a whole nother element. He's gonna want a lot of money, and he's probably gonna get it.

Harvin did more in 8 games then Tate did in 18 with a far better Qb. It can be argued that Harvin is the best all around player in the NFL the same cannot be said about Tate. I could name 25 guys better then Tate.

According to reports the problem with Harvin is to intense an takes football so serious that he blows up once in awhile when others don't take it as serious. Sounds like a guy I would want.

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Harvin did more in 8 games then Tate did in 18 with a far better Qb. It can be argued that Harvin is the best all around player in the NFL the same cannot be said about Tate.

You're selling Tate short. Look at what he did when he did get the ball. He's a playmaker. He's probably not better than Percy Harvin but he's not much of a drop off talent-wise as a WR.

CPHawk wrote:According to reports the problem with Harvin is to intense an takes football so serious that he blows up once in awhile when others don't take it as serious. Sounds like a guy I would want.

He also has a pretty unfavorable injury history and is going to demand a pretty large contract. I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, or that we won't, but I can see why we wouldn't if we don't. I will definitely not be mad about it either way.

I don't think Harvin makes a lot of sense for us. So far Golden Tate has been durable, so while you can claim Harvin is a bigger playmaker, it's a wash to me because of injury and migraine headache issues.

I whole-heartedly believe we need to add another receiver to the mix. I think Harvin would be a great add for any team, but the kind of receiver we need is a durable, sure-handed guy that fights for the ball and catches it every time. We basically need Anquan Boldin.

There is one factor to consider though - some speculate SF as a landing spot for Harvin. I don't know about you, but Kaepernik-to-Harvin isn't a matchup I want to have to face if I can help it.

If Harvin isn't really the kind of receiver we need, is he at least good enough to go after to also keep him from going to SF?

To say he has injury issues, is a gross over exaggeration. He has played 15, 14, 16 and 9 games in his 4 years in the NFL. He's only 24, and people who keep acting like Tate would be gone are just as crazy as those of you thinking Tate is better then Harvin. Tate can play outside just fine.

CPHawk wrote:To say he has injury issues, is a gross over exaggeration. He has played 15, 14, 16 and 9 games in his 4 years in the NFL. He's only 24, and people who keep acting like Tate would be gone are just as crazy as those of you thinking Tate is better then Harvin. Tate can play outside just fine.

To say he has injury issues is not a gross exaggeration. In fact it's extremely accurate. He has injury issues. He has migraines which, while not technically an "injury", have at times been debilitating for him. Again, not a reason to completely disregard the idea of bringing him in, but a red flag for sure.

CPHawk wrote:To say he has injury issues, is a gross over exaggeration. He has played 15, 14, 16 and 9 games in his 4 years in the NFL. He's only 24, and people who keep acting like Tate would be gone are just as crazy as those of you thinking Tate is better then Harvin. Tate can play outside just fine.

To say he has injury issues is not a gross exaggeration. In fact it's extremely accurate. He has injury issues. He has migraines which, while not technically an "injury", have at times been debilitating for him. Again, not a reason to completely disregard the idea of bringing him in, but a red flag for sure.

CPHawk wrote:To say he has injury issues, is a gross over exaggeration. He has played 15, 14, 16 and 9 games in his 4 years in the NFL. He's only 24, and people who keep acting like Tate would be gone are just as crazy as those of you thinking Tate is better then Harvin. Tate can play outside just fine.

To say he has injury issues is not a gross exaggeration. In fact it's extremely accurate. He has injury issues. He has migraines which, while not technically an "injury", have at times been debilitating for him. Again, not a reason to completely disregard the idea of bringing him in, but a red flag for sure.

CPHawk wrote:To say he has injury issues, is a gross over exaggeration. He has played 15, 14, 16 and 9 games in his 4 years in the NFL. He's only 24, and people who keep acting like Tate would be gone are just as crazy as those of you thinking Tate is better then Harvin. Tate can play outside just fine.

To say he has injury issues is not a gross exaggeration. In fact it's extremely accurate. He has injury issues. He has migraines which, while not technically an "injury", have at times been debilitating for him. Again, not a reason to completely disregard the idea of bringing him in, but a red flag for sure.

Migraines frighten me....Harvin's in particular. As good as the kid has been, he's also proven to be a me first diva. Considering his flair for dramatics and pissy temperment, how do we know when he's having migraines or just having an un-provable pissy-fit? The best way to protect ourselves from having to ask that question is just pass on him. He's about to command huge money and with the rookie cap in place, I'd *sooner use our 1 on the next Harvin at a fraction of the cost / attitude.

* I do not want to use our 1 on a receiver but would prefer this route over Harvin. Chemistry and all that.

Harvin would be a MAJOR upgrade at WR. He is arguably the most electric and best YAC receiver in the NFL at this time. If Seattle doesn't want him because they think Golden Tate is the answer, they would be foolish.

I think WR is a very big need for Seattle, and hope they can bring in one of the big WRs available like Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, Percy Harvin, Wes Welker, Greg Jennings, etc.

Watching the games closely, a major reason why RW has to scramble so much is because the WRs can not get separation. Sure, there are lots of times where he scrambled too early, or missed seeing the open receiver, but a big part of it was the receivers being blanketed.

This team does not have a true WR1 in the NFL who commands coverage and helps other receivers get open.

Bus035 wrote:Personally, I am a diehard Seahawk fan. As I know all of the rest of you are. How would you feel about a Flynn/3rd Round flip for Harvin/Joe Webb (very hypothetical)? Harvin is a game changer and we all know what the Vikings were able to accomplish with Favre, Harvin, and Rice. Furthermore, I am very intrigued by the possibility of Harvin, Rice, and Wilson working together. I believe Harvin would immensely improve our team. Also, I am a slight Golden Tate fan but I think he is an obvious "poor man's" version to Harvin, just my opinion. I would love others thoughts.............Thanks!

Rice, Tate, & Harvin...well maybe but I wouldn't give up Rice or Tate just to get Harvin. those guys are developing chemistry with our young QB. Heck Tate probably spent the weekend watching tape and running plays with Russell.

brimsalabim wrote:Rice, Tate, & Harvin...well maybe but I wouldn't give up Rice or Tate just to get Harvin. those guys are developing chemistry with our young QB. Heck Tate probably spent the weekend watching tape and running plays with Russell.

brimsalabim wrote:Rice, Tate, & Harvin...well maybe but I wouldn't give up Rice or Tate just to get Harvin. those guys are developing chemistry with our young QB. Heck Tate probably spent the weekend watching tape and running plays with Russell.

Im pretty sure no one in the FO of Minnesota would touch Rice. He was drafted and developed there, and then defected to Seattle for more dough.

They are in need for WR help. I would love flipping Baldwin & our 2nd rounder for Harvin. Or better yet, our 2nd and 4th rounder, and keep Baldwin as our #4 WR.

Injury concerns over Harvin are grossly over-exaggerated here, and way out of context. The last time Percy missed a game due to a migraine was 2010. He played all 16 games in 2011, and was on pace to play all 16 games last year until Wagner (I believe) tackled him and twisted his ankle in the process, pulling/tearing a few ligaments. That was the first known physical injury Harvin's actually missed a game because. Football is a rough sport, and people play injured all the time - Harvin included. He's one of the toughest, shiftiest, fastest receivers to play the game today. And he is just entering his prime.

Add in that Bevell was his OC in Minnesota, and our need for a dynamic "X factor" on offense to pair with Wilson, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more analysts pairing Harvin with the Seahawks in a potential trade. Seattle has more than enough depth on D and O to trade quantity (draft picks) for quality (Harvin).

Bus035 wrote:Personally, I am a diehard Seahawk fan. As I know all of the rest of you are. How would you feel about a Flynn/3rd Round flip for Harvin/Joe Webb (very hypothetical)? Harvin is a game changer and we all know what the Vikings were able to accomplish with Favre, Harvin, and Rice. Furthermore, I am very intrigued by the possibility of Harvin, Rice, and Wilson working together. I believe Harvin would immensely improve our team. Also, I am a slight Golden Tate fan but I think he is an obvious "poor man's" version to Harvin, just my opinion. I would love others thoughts.............Thanks!

You can argue whether or not it's a good decision to acquire Harvin, but there is no way you can even consider Tate being in the same class as Harvin. Tate has always struggled with route running. Harvin is a RR professional. They have the same speed, but Harvin separates himself from defenders better than anyone in the league based on his route running and agility.

Also, think about the possibilities in the read option when we give Lynch a break? or bubble screens in the read option formation with lynch in the backfield and him in the slot?

PC/JS like game changers. Harvin certainly is that. Don't sleep on him.Watch the run at 1:34

Seahwkgal wrote:In Harvin's defense, he got hurt BY US. Yep. Week 9. He was getting me mega points on my fantasy league until then. I said it then, that Harvin's loss was a bigger issue for Minn not making the playoffs. He is that valuable.(and yes, I know what a big year AP had).

And yet, Minnesota made the playoffs without him, and many would argue they played better after he was IR'ed for having a bad attitude. (They finished 5-2 after the Seahawks game.)

Seahwkgal wrote:In Harvin's defense, he got hurt BY US. Yep. Week 9. He was getting me mega points on my fantasy league until then. I said it then, that Harvin's loss was a bigger issue for Minn not making the playoffs. He is that valuable.(and yes, I know what a big year AP had).

And yet, Minnesota made the playoffs without him, and many would argue they played better after he was IR'ed for having a bad attitude. (They finished 5-2 after the Seahawks game.)

Didn't hurt that Adrian Peterson rushed for over 1000 yards in those last seven games.

Seahwkgal wrote:In Harvin's defense, he got hurt BY US. Yep. Week 9. He was getting me mega points on my fantasy league until then. I said it then, that Harvin's loss was a bigger issue for Minn not making the playoffs. He is that valuable.(and yes, I know what a big year AP had).

And yet, Minnesota made the playoffs without him, and many would argue they played better after he was IR'ed for having a bad attitude. (They finished 5-2 after the Seahawks game.)

Didn't hurt that Adrian Peterson rushed for over 1000 yards in those last seven games.

Of course not. Just skeptical of the thought that Harvin was a make or break player for Minny.

Seahawks.net .. where Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin are better than a 24 year old with 4x their production.

(Face palm)

If you want to say it's about money.. then yeah I get that.. we have a ton of talent we will have to start paying soon. But in regards to sheer talent.. this is a no brainer. Harvin is unbelievably gifted and athletic. In our offense he would be ridiculous. Imagine running read-option with Wilson/Lynch/Harvin in your backfield?

Seahwkgal wrote:In Harvin's defense, he got hurt BY US. Yep. Week 9. He was getting me mega points on my fantasy league until then. I said it then, that Harvin's loss was a bigger issue for Minn not making the playoffs. He is that valuable.(and yes, I know what a big year AP had).

And yet, Minnesota made the playoffs without him, and many would argue they played better after he was IR'ed for having a bad attitude. (They finished 5-2 after the Seahawks game.)

Or maybe... the whole league MVP willing them to that 5-2 record had something to do with it too.

Their passing game was virtually non-existant after that injury. Ponder only went over 200 yards TWICE.. the last coming in their biggest game of the year in Week 17.

Thanks for posting. Too bad it isn't in audio. Lota folks around here are so busy posting they don't have time to read.

Harvin had an embarrassing tirade directed toward Frasier, disrespecting the coach during the season when Harvin was sidelined with an injured ankle.

Teammates were present, and Max was told that is when Harvin left the team and was put on injured reserve.

Sources say teammates were disappointed in Harvin’s actions and the organization has moved toward less tolerance for that behavior.

Harvin apparently had a similar incident when Childress coached the team.

Think there might be a pattern there?

In 2009 and 2010 he suffered severe problems with migraine’s and was constantly listed on the injury report as a consequence. He’s also suffered many other issues including ankle, hamstring, hip, shoulder and finger injuries. In 2009 he was listed as questionable seven times. He was on the injury report eight times in 2010, seven times in 2011 and five times in 2012 before being placed on injured reserve (missing Minnesota’s last five games).

Damn he makes Sidney Rice look like an Iron Man.

Harvin also refused to run stadium steps with the rest of the team during offseason conditioning before the 2007 season, according to the Sporting News, and once allegedly threw wide receivers coach Billy Gonzales to the ground by his neck.

He's not going to buy in. This is an exercise in futility. Sure glad he's a Viking problem.

P.S. Last time I checked the cap number for the offense out weighed the cap number for the defense by two to one. Any one want to speculate on the impact of engaging in a bidding war for more veteran players for the offense this off season?

IMO Harvin is definitely an upgrade and won't be a detriment to the chemistry of the team if acquired. Reuniting with Rice and having an future star QB in RW is enough to make him happy. He's a workout freak and an ultimate competitor/playmaker. Harvin wasn't happy when Minny let Rice come to Seattle after having built such a rapport. That Vikings-Hawks game added fuel to the fire as Minnesota looked to be spiraling toward a losing streak with an inconsistent Ponder. Meanwhile Seattle's future looked bright with RW. Without a real #2 wideout Minny expected featuring Harvin as a receiver, in the backfield with AD and occasionally as a returner. In Harvin's defense he played through some nagging injuries and was still atop the league in receptions when he was placed on IR. It seemed rather punitive when Minny decided so quickly to IR him. As for migraines, the only headaches he has now is from his second-year QB's inconsistency and from his head coach's questionable play decisions. Tate has Harvin's skillset but not quite on the same talent level. Give him a few more years with RW and Tate will likely be mentioned alongside Harvin as a receiver. Harvin was a freak in college but had the advantage of playing with Favre and Rice as a rookie. Percy would have NO problem learning Seattle's offense--he played in Bevell's offense before. Only negative would be cost of acquiring Harvin and the likelihoodr he takes receptions away from Tate and Rice. The plus is he can bring it to the house on any given play.

Bus035 wrote:Personally, I am a diehard Seahawk fan. As I know all of the rest of you are. How would you feel about a Flynn/3rd Round flip for Harvin/Joe Webb (very hypothetical)? Harvin is a game changer and we all know what the Vikings were able to accomplish with Favre, Harvin, and Rice. Furthermore, I am very intrigued by the possibility of Harvin, Rice, and Wilson working together. I believe Harvin would immensely improve our team. Also, I am a slight Golden Tate fan but I think he is an obvious "poor man's" version to Harvin, just my opinion. I would love others thoughts.............Thanks!

Harvin only ran a 4.28 low at the combine. I dunno...????

You mean a 4.41 right?Compared to Tate's 4.42?

No...I mean what I said. Apparently what I saw was an error or a trick but it was what I saw. My bad. The google search hit I saw isn't up now. Don't believe everything ya see on the internets. I try to only offer reliable facts but today's offering obviously was not.

Question: If Harvin was such a headcase then why would Minny be so content to keep him until he told him he wanted out. If there is any question about his character why would Seattle read news articles when they could easily ask Bevell and Rice for insight? Harvin likely keeps in touch with Rice wouldn't you think?

Maybe by being a small shifty guy, but Harvin is a true burner. Tate is not that fast really.

Rewatch the Hawks-Vikings and you'll see Tate was not just featured like Harvin but at times but made shiftier moves after the catch. Throughout the season Tate was our speedy receiver on bubble screens, end-arounds and occasionally in the backfield. Speed-wise Tate and Harvin aren't that far apart. Leaping for tall catches I'd say it's almost a toss up. IMO Harvin has more strength and toughness but has had more injuries due to more physical plays.

RW looked great in the Pro bowl passing to top notch WRs, no beats will be skipped.

I would give up whatever round draft pick they wanted (future contract friendly for both sides) due to we get starters in all rounds now a days. Harvin is a top 10 WR and no one can say that any of these 2013 drafties will be. The hawks should get a proven product while they can.

RW looked great in the Pro bowl passing to top notch WRs, no beats will be skipped.

I would give up whatever round draft pick they wanted (future contract friendly for both sides) due to we get starters in all rounds now a days. Harvin is a top 10 WR and no one can say that any of these 2013 drafties will be. The hawks should get a proven product while they can.

Harvin is NOT a top 10 WR. Could he be? Does he have the potential? Sure. But right now, this moment, after 4 seasons in the pros, he's not. As pointed out earlier in this thread.

It depends on the cost. I would not like to mess up out cap for the future because we are going to have to sign a lot of our young guys like Sherman, Chancellor, ET, etc soon. I prefer draft to get more offensive weapons but if JS & PC traded for Harvin then I would not oppose it. I trust our FO a lot.

Id give Harvin a chance, but given his migrains/character issues, I would not give a 2nd. I am not sure how long Tavon Austin will last but he's a guy with similar skill set. If you want Harvin you may as well draft Austin in the 2nd (if he's there).

lukerguy wrote:Id give Harvin a chance, but given his migrains/character issues, I would not give a 2nd. I am not sure how long Tavon Austin will last but he's a guy with similar skill set. If you want Harvin you may as well draft Austin in the 2nd (if he's there).

The entire Seahawk Scouting Department is going over Tavon's record with a "fine toothed comb". There is some serious "evaluation and negotiatations" being spent over this pick!!