thats good still going to be a long shot to be a plsu plyer never mind a game changer

There was no game changer available at 29. This allows them to double dip at a position of need to double their chances of hitting on a solid player; you know, like they did with Vereen (2nd) / Ridley (3rd) and Gronk (2nd) /Hernandez (4th). Both of those worked out pretty well.

ok - I am a little tired of the excess Belichick love and others bashing. Minnesota just picked up 3 first rounders. If the pats had pulled that off everyone would be saying how brilliant it was.

Remember NFL rosters are limited and most of the players under contract stick. Teams have 7 draft choices and many/most? don't stick or stick for a short period of time. The best players year over year end up in the first and second rounds. Minnesota just took 3.

I am willing to bet that the pats didn't see value anymore and were able to turn that feeling into extra picks, but remember, there's no guarantee those picks stick.

"If the pats had pulled that off everyone would be saying how brilliant it was. "

im not a hater, and i wouldnt threaten leaving a board esp if i were nto a fan of that team; but your point is on point.

if you move up, who cares howmany picks you give up in later rounds and you get 3 studs in rd 1, any team would be pleased.

lets see waht bb gets.

i hope its not just another christmas for bb yippeee i got more choices to make

If we come out with a combo of Hunt/Collins, Hankins/Williams/Jenkins, Wheaton/Bailey/Rogers, Taylor/Slay/Mathieu it'd be pretty happy but I'm worried abut Minn's picks being so late. The later you go in the draft the less likely someone will contribute which holds true even for BB.

I can see him double dipping in both the CB and WR positions though with 5 picks in the next 70

thats good still going to be a long shot to be a plsu plyer never mind a game changer

There was no game changer available at 29. This allows them to double dip at a position of need to double their chances of hitting on a solid player; you know, like they did with Vereen (2nd) / Ridley (3rd) and Gronk (2nd) /Hernandez (4th). Both of those worked out pretty well.

liek i asked earlier who is a faller due to off the field issues and still a player beyond da rick rogers

My point? 1st rounders are no guarantee and in just the last few years BB has done very well outside of the 1st round.

and he's also had a lot of failures outside the 1st. BB picks on average 9 players in the draft you are bound to find players outside the first when you pick so many to begin with. The question is, does he hit on those types of players this year or do we look back on this year at what could have been. I'm more wondering what he's going to do with so many rooks. We didn't have a ton of holes going into the draft (maybe 4-5) and now he has 8 picks.

If we come out with a combo of Hunt/Collins, Hankins/Williams/Jenkins, Wheaton/Bailey/Rogers, Taylor/Slay/Mathieu it'd be pretty happy but I'm worried abut Minn's picks being so late. The later you go in the draft the less likely someone will contribute which holds true even for BB.

I can see him double dipping in both the CB and WR positions though with 5 picks in the next 70

My point? 1st rounders are no guarantee and in just the last few years BB has done very well outside of the 1st round.

Don't let the moaners sway you, that 6th round guy Brady by BB or 7th round pick Rodney Harrison by the Chargers were pretty good also... 2nd and 3rd rounders would be 1st rounders if not for some stupid moves by the Vikings and others.

If we come out with a combo of Hunt/Collins, Hankins/Williams/Jenkins, Wheaton/Bailey/Rogers, Taylor/Slay/Mathieu it'd be pretty happy but I'm worried abut Minn's picks being so late. The later you go in the draft the less likely someone will contribute which holds true even for BB.

I can see him double dipping in both the CB and WR positions though with 5 picks in the next 70

Do we only need one? Ras is a huge question mark medically and do you really see Cole as a CB? In todays NFL you need 3 starting caliber CB's and 2 good backups. If you see Ras as a good backup then yes only 1 is needed but if you are worried Ras won't make it throught the year then having 2 wouldn't hurt

BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW COLLEGE PLAYERS WILL TRANSITION TO THE PROS.

ESPECIALLY with the little guys like CBs and WRs. Those two positions have the biggest bust rate in the NFL, not just for BB drafting them. You take TWO to increase your odds that one of them hits.

You MIGHT get a better player at 29; you also MIGHT get a colossal bust. With picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th, there's very good chance now that ONE of those players hits, and maybe 2 or even all 3. The draft is a crap shoot, not a science. That's why it's so fun to debate.

If we come out with a combo of Hunt/Collins, Hankins/Williams/Jenkins, Wheaton/Bailey/Rogers, Taylor/Slay/Mathieu it'd be pretty happy but I'm worried abut Minn's picks being so late. The later you go in the draft the less likely someone will contribute which holds true even for BB.

I can see him double dipping in both the CB and WR positions though with 5 picks in the next 70

Do we only need one? Ras is a huge question mark medically and do you really see Cole as a CB? In todays NFL you need 3 starting caliber CB's and 2 good backups. If you see Ras as a good backup then yes only 1 is needed but if you are worried Ras won't make it throught the year then having 2 wouldn't hurt

BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW COLLEGE PLAYERS WILL TRANSITION TO THE PROS.

ESPECIALLY with the little guys like CBs and WRs. Those two positions have the biggest bust rate in the NFL, not just for BB drafting them. You take TWO to increase your odds that one of them hits.

You MIGHT get a better player at 29; you also MIGHT get a colossal bust. With picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th, there's very good chance now that ONE of those players hits, and maybe 2 or even all 3. The draft is a crap shoot, not a science. That's why it's so fun to debate.

BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW COLLEGE PLAYERS WILL TRANSITION TO THE PROS.

ESPECIALLY with the little guys like CBs and WRs. Those two positions have the biggest bust rate in the NFL, not just for BB drafting them. You take TWO to increase your odds that one of them hits.

You MIGHT get a better player at 29; you also MIGHT get a colossal bust. With picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th, there's very good chance now that ONE of those players hits, and maybe 2 or even all 3. The draft is a crap shoot, not a science. That's why it's so fun to debate.

BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW COLLEGE PLAYERS WILL TRANSITION TO THE PROS.

ESPECIALLY with the little guys like CBs and WRs. Those two positions have the biggest bust rate in the NFL, not just for BB drafting them. You take TWO to increase your odds that one of them hits.

You MIGHT get a better player at 29; you also MIGHT get a colossal bust. With picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th, there's very good chance now that ONE of those players hits, and maybe 2 or even all 3. The draft is a crap shoot, not a science. That's why it's so fun to debate.

The problem with that is statistically the average hit rate drops by 2/3rds for each round you move. So statistically speaking that 1 1st has a better chance of hitting then a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th combined. Of course that doesn't take talent into account. If the talent lever from the back of the 1st to the early 4th is the same then yes taking more players is the better move, however, we have to see the talent drop off from #29 to #52 before making a decision to if that's the right move

The problem with that is statistically the average hit rate drops by 2/3rds for each round you move. So statistically speaking that 1 1st has a better chance of hitting then a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th combined. Of course that doesn't take talent into account. If the talent lever from the back of the 1st to the early 4th is the same then yes taking more players is the better move, however, we have to see the talent drop off from #29 to #52 before making a decision to if that's the right move

That hit rate also drops off for each third of the first round. A #29 is much less likely to hit than a #9 or a #19. And my feeling is that this year, that #29 pick would have been the talent level of a mid 2nd in years past. Once Datone Jones came off the board, I think there wasn't really anyone who blew my panties off.

Patterson? Frederick? Ogletree? Elam? If those are the 29-32 picks, I'll take my chances with 3 mid rounders.

The problem with that is statistically the average hit rate drops by 2/3rds for each round you move. So statistically speaking that 1 1st has a better chance of hitting then a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th combined. Of course that doesn't take talent into account. If the talent lever from the back of the 1st to the early 4th is the same then yes taking more players is the better move, however, we have to see the talent drop off from #29 to #52 before making a decision to if that's the right move

That hit rate also drops off for each third of the first round. A #29 is much less likely to hit than a #9 or a #19. And my feeling is that this year, that #29 pick would have been the talent level of a mid 2nd in years past. Once Datone Jones came off the board, I think there wasn't really anyone who blew my panties off.

Patterson? Frederick? Ogletree? Elam? If those are the 29-32 picks, I'll take my chances with 3 mid rounders.

If that 2nd wasn't so far back in the round it would have been a great trade but as it stands being so far back does bring up the question if a J Williams, Hunt, Hankins, or Taylor come off the board before the Pats pick again and they turn into a solid starting caliber player or worse another Matthews was it the right move? We'll have to wait and see who they get with those picks and who might fall to them but I'm not going to proclaim itas a bad or good move right now until we see the picks first.