Yoshi's New Island isn't this year.
So far for next year, there're those 2, Professor Layton & The Azran Legacy, Mario Golf World Tour, and Bravely Default Flying Fairy.
There's also a good chance that Mario Party gets delayed as well.

Still, they've got a lot of time to announce some new games, even if Super Smash Bros is Q4.

MH4 should come next year too, since the success of MH3G and Nintendo's tendency to localise third party games these days, I think a quicker than usual localisation will happen. They've still got plenty of 3DS games in the works too, this year's lineup has been pretty low from Nintendo, they're pretty happy with the main system sellers.

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Those important games you mentioned will mostly attract the same demographic segment, Nintendo fans, that already bought a Wii U. I wouldn´t expect a significant improvement in sales. Fascinating post.

you think the entirety of the nintendo fanbase is people who are interested in nsmbu and nintendoland? and that super mario 3d world, pikmin 3, and the wind waker hd are only going to appeal to those existing users?

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Those important games you mentioned will mostly attract the same demographic segment, Nintendo fans, that already bought a Wii U. I wouldn´t expect a significant improvement in sales. Fascinating post.

When the price drops and Smash, 3d Mario, etc. are out I will definitely have a Wii U. I know a lot of Nintendo fans that have no interest in the console right now due to not caring about NSMBU at all which is basically the only big thing Nintendo has put out for the console in 8 months.

The 3DS lineup in 2014 will probably be a big step down from 2013 and more like 2012.

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are what we have so far. They have already played the 2d Mario, 3d mario, mario kart, animal crossing, and pokemon cards by then and I don't expect any of those series to reappear on 3DS. There is still a lot of time though

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i still think the system will get to at least dreamcast/saturn/game gear levels. of course, if sony is really adamant about that, they could try keeping it on the market for five years and have it get closer to 15-20m after price drops. i'm not sure what the breaking point will be for retailers though.

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i still think the system will get to at least dreamcast/saturn/game gear levels. of course, if sony is really adamant about that, they could try keeping it on the market for five years and have it get closer to 15-20m after price drops. i'm not sure what the breaking point will be for retailers though.

Retailers stuck it out with the PSP despite anemic hardware/software sales, mostly the software sales since thats where they make most of the money, even if PSP sales were never this bad. Worse comes to worse it'll just have little presence in the shops, I don't see them simply cutting it off just for the fact that the PS4 will be selling and it won't hurt to dedicate one shelf for the Vita.

When the price drops and Smash, 3d Mario, etc. are out I will definitely have a Wii U. I know a lot of Nintendo fans that have no interest in the console right now due to not caring about NSMBU at all which is basically the only big thing Nintendo has put out for the console in 8 months.

The 3DS lineup in 2014 will probably be a big step down from 2013 and more like 2012.

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are what we have so far. They have already played the 2d Mario, 3d mario, mario kart, animal crossing, and pokemon cards by then and I don't expect any of those series to reappear on 3DS. There is still a lot of time though

I see the opposite, 2014 will be even bigger for the 3DS since their output is pretty low this year, its just that this year's games are pretty big system sellers. Next year will probably consist of more B tier titles.

Its also way too early for 2014's lineup, most of this year's third party games are already coming this year, if Japan doesn't even have a 2014 lineup, there's no hope we have any idea for the west.

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140k/month worldwide for U? I think that's being a little generous. Japan is what, 40k or less/month. Not sure of the US figures, maybe 50-70k? It's practically dead in Europe. I'd guess around 100k a month, if that.

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i still think the system will get to at least dreamcast/saturn/game gear levels. of course, if sony is really adamant about that, they could try keeping it on the market for five years and have it get closer to 15-20m after price drops. i'm not sure what the breaking point will be for retailers though.

It just sold worse than the PSP did in May 2012. I haven't seen a PSP on shelves in at least a year and half. And the PSP had the benefit of having a much bigger userbase. I don't get how people are saying Sony aren't worried about Vita. Maybe in the sense that overall it doesn't hurt them that badly if it does go down, but come on now.

140k/month worldwide for U? I think that's being a little generous. Japan is what, 40k or less/month. Not sure of the US figures, maybe 50-70k? It's practically dead in Europe. I'd guess around 100k a month, if that.

you think the entirety of the nintendo fanbase is people who are interested in nsmbu and nintendoland? and that super mario 3d world, pikmin 3, and the wind waker hd are only going to appeal to those existing users?

No one is buying a 250 dollar system (or 200 for that matter) for indie games. Maybe at 99 bucks it could be a good PS4 accessory/indie game player but we all know thats not happening. The portable market is near wrecked in the west and unless one of those indie games is the next Pokemon its not going to do anything besides sell decently to the current userbase which to their credit seem to be buying a lot of digital titles.

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It just sold worse than the PSP did in May 2012. I haven't seen a PSP on shelves in at least a year and half. And the PSP had the benefit of having a much bigger userbase. I don't get how people are saying Sony aren't worried about Vita. Maybe in the sense that overall it doesn't hurt them that badly if it does go down, but come on now.

sony can't even get its biggest studios on board for vita. tearaway looks like it'll be a really great game, but naughty dog can't figure out what to do with the machine? come on losers, not everything needs to be a humanity-defining movie-game. sony really should have had their top guys making shit at launch and shortly afterward, unless they had secretly planned for this thing to fail all along.

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sony can't even get its biggest studios on board for vita. tearaway looks like it'll be a really great game, but naughty dog can't figure out what to do with the machine? come on losers, not everything needs to be a humanity-defining movie-game. sony really should have had their top guys making shit at launch and shortly afterward, unless they had secretly planned for this thing to fail all along.

sony can't even get its biggest studios on board for vita. tearaway looks like it'll be a really great game, but naughty dog can't figure out what to do with the machine? come on losers, not everything needs to be a humanity-defining movie-game. sony really should have had their top guys making shit at launch and shortly afterward, unless they had secretly planned for this thing to fail all along.

Sony's first party have never really bothered with their handhelds, even when the PSP was selling decently, expecting Naughty Dog to do anything is wishful thinking.

In the end Sony probably just didn't think the 3DS would dominate so hard in Japan, especially in the early months of its life, and they certainly didn't expect MH to jump ship. They thought third parties would magically support them just because of the PSP's late game support. I have no idea what they expected it to do in the west, maybe they thought being the same price as the 3DS and being more powerful was enough to sell it, even though the 3DS isn't the only competition.

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When the price drops and Smash, 3d Mario, etc. are out I will definitely have a Wii U. I know a lot of Nintendo fans that have no interest in the console right now due to not caring about NSMBU at all which is basically the only big thing Nintendo has put out for the console in 8 months.

The 3DS lineup in 2014 will probably be a big step down from 2013 and more like 2012.

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are what we have so far. They have already played the 2d Mario, 3d mario, mario kart, animal crossing, and pokemon cards by then and I don't expect any of those series to reappear on 3DS. There is still a lot of time though

Almost none of them are exclusive, and many of them are late ports of games that have been available on other platforms for some time. And I don't think even exclusive indie games can move hardware in themselves - they're just a way to add diversity and fill out the lineup between bigger releases.

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are what we have so far. They have already played the 2d Mario, 3d mario, mario kart, animal crossing, and pokemon cards by then and I don't expect any of those series to reappear on 3DS. There is still a lot of time though

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I have no idea what they expected it to do in the west, maybe they thought being the same price as the 3DS and being more powerful was enough to sell it, even though the 3DS isn't the only competition.

So like you're sitting on the E3/Gamescom/TGS bus and all of a sudden a slightly deranged looking Kaz sits next to you, and he keeps showing you these vaguely unsettling photos of a Vita and talking about how great it is and how it would have worn these cute little Tearaway shoes and a Soul Sacrifice outfit and graduated from Remote Play preschool and you pause and go "wait would have" and he's all "Oh yes, our loss is heaven's gain" and you try not to make any sudden movements until you can change seats

The generation is just winding down, when PS4/Xbone hits, the market should recover slowly. PS4/Xbone won't magically pull the industry up as soon as they launch, but when next-gen software start rolling out, the market will respond accordingly over time. We'll never get back to Wii/DS era level of sales, especially with digital gaining traction each day.

The whole economy is crap and most places in the world aren't about to get better. They might slow things but games are a bit screwed regardless. Over the next few years, seeing only small declines will probably be a victory.

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sony can't even get its biggest studios on board for vita. tearaway looks like it'll be a really great game, but naughty dog can't figure out what to do with the machine? come on losers, not everything needs to be a humanity-defining movie-game. sony really should have had their top guys making shit at launch and shortly afterward, unless they had secretly planned for this thing to fail all along.

Well, it depends what level of support you're arguing for from Naughty Dog et al. A small, 15-20 person handheld side team to produce a modestly budgeted, lower-risk (i.e. profitable at a few hundred thousand worldwide sales) original IP like Tearaway? Sure, I could see that being a fairly sensible move.

But a full-on AAA project, made by a significantly larger (if not quite PS3-size) team instead of TLOU? That just doesn't seem like a very smart risk to take, particularly given the evident demographic trends in what's left of the Western dedicated handheld market.

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you think the entirety of the nintendo fanbase is people who are interested in nsmbu and nintendoland? and that super mario 3d world, pikmin 3, and the wind waker hd are only going to appeal to those existing users?

Oh well I meant a new gen. I think X,Y for this year Z for late 2014 or early 2015. I've said I expect the 3DS to have a 4-5 year lifespan vs 6 for the DS so I expect a new handheld or different type of animal to surface at E3 2015 or possibly late next year and launch before 2016. They do have a history of doing games after a new system is out so a remake wouldn't surprise me or X/Y2 if they decide the B/W model was successfu

I'm just not expecting a large amount of new games from Nintendo besides those. Nintendo is currently blowing their load on 3DS and is shifting a lot of work onto Wii U. So I don't think it will be a bad year, just not nearly as good as this year.

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Oh well I meant a new gen. I think X,Y for this year Z for late 2014 or early 2015. I've said I expect the 3DS to have a 4-5 year lifespan vs 6 for the DS so I expect a new handheld or different type of animal to surface at E3 2015 or possibly late next year and launch before 2016. They do have a history of doing games after a new system is out so a remake wouldn't surprise me or X/Y2 if they decide the B/W model was successfu

Iwata recently stated that 2014 will be another year with a big amount of Nintendo titles.
Kirby, as said many times, is the most obvious among the unannounced...Rhythm Heaven? Tomodachi Collection in the West?

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going from a dreamcast/saturn trajectory to more of a gamecube one. it's kinda like if sony had released resistance and gran turismo 6 for the ps3 at launch and saying that pretty much nabbed every single sony fan in the first six months.

there won't be any one system seller, but for a lot of people it will be a gradual thing of, 'well, now that it has mario, zelda AND pikmin, i guess i should pick it up.' this line of thought will probably continue until smash bros. releases later next year.

I don't get this whole fuss about Oculus Rift on GAF is. I'm sure it is cool, but this isn't something that you can see on TV. This would have the same problem as the Wii U and 3DS (to a lesser extent) does. You can't really advertise the thing you're selling, which happens to be a second screen experience and 3D, respectively. Why would VR be something that will become a big hit for any company when you would have to make someone experience it? I just don't see it.

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sony can't even get its biggest studios on board for vita. tearaway looks like it'll be a really great game, but naughty dog can't figure out what to do with the machine? come on losers, not everything needs to be a humanity-defining movie-game. sony really should have had their top guys making shit at launch and shortly afterward, unless they had secretly planned for this thing to fail all along.

I think SCEA has assumed from day one that the dedicated handheld market in the US was in steep decline, the Vita didn't have much of a future, and therefore didn't want to expend significant resources on it. I don't have any insider info or anything, this is just my opinion.

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I don't get this whole fuss about Oculus Rift on GAF is. I'm sure it is cool, but this isn't something that you can see on TV. This would have the same problem as the Wii U and 3DS (to a lesser extent) does. You can't really advertise the thing you're selling, which happens to be a second screen experience and 3D, respectively. Why would VR be something that will become a big hit for any company when you would have to make someone experience it? I just don't see it.

it doesn't have to be the rift, but the rift does appeal to the imagination in a strong way. the whole thing of imagining you're in some world coming to life, where you can look left and right and you are looking left and right- that's pretty crazy.

even on the shitty 480p one, where everything is super pixelated, when i looked to my right at a hallway wall and saw a picture frame, and i could actually see it in good detail, it was nothing i'd really done before.

the step beyond traditional gaming will probably be virtual reality somehow. nintendo's been experimenting with that for years. even after the virtual boy they had the wii remote, the wii fit board, and the 3ds's augmented reality stuff. i would be surprised if it's something they're not seriously considering and experimenting with behind the scenes.

I think SCEA has assumed from day one that the dedicated handheld market in the US was in steep decline, the Vita didn't have much of a future, and therefore didn't want to expend significant resources on it. I don't have any insider info or anything, this is just my opinion.

they really should have picked their sales targets better. 16m -> 5m in shipments was kinda awful for a first year. i think nintendo will experience a repeat of that with their 9m forecast. they'll be lucky to hit 9m ltd in march 2014.

I don't understand it. The GTA5 PS3 bundle is gonna be 300$, isn't it? How's that even possible if the PS4 is only 100$ more expensive. The gen has been overly long, consoles should be thrown at the customers now.

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they really should have picked their sales targets better. 16m -> 5m in shipments was kinda awful for a first year. i think nintendo will experience a repeat of that with their 9m forecast. they'll be lucky to hit 9m ltd in march 2014.

Good point. Of course, Sony has always been a loose confederation of warring tribes. It's entirely possible that the guy who greenlights games in Foster City and the guy who does sales forecasting in Tokyo are mortal enemies.

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I don't understand it. The GTA5 PS3 bundle is gonna be 300$, isn't it? How's that even possible if the PS4 is only 100$ more expensive. The gen has been overly long, consoles should be thrown at the customers now.

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Iwata recently stated that 2014 will be another year with a big amount of Nintendo titles.
Kirby, as said many times, is the most obvious among the unannounced...Rhythm Heaven? Tomodachi Collection in the West?