Comments on: Volition: THQ’s Pornstar Focus On Saints Row Was In Bad Tastehttp://www.gamefront.com/volition-thqs-pornstar-focus-on-saints-row-was-in-bad-taste/
Read the latest gaming news, get game downloads, mods, patches, and watch game videos at Game Front.Sun, 02 Aug 2015 06:44:34 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1By: Egg Ebbhttp://www.gamefront.com/volition-thqs-pornstar-focus-on-saints-row-was-in-bad-taste/#comment-388971
Egg EbbWed, 07 Aug 2013 08:53:17 +0000http://www.gamefront.com/?p=232927#comment-388971Don't confuse this with an equal rights argument. This is a clear case of "equality when it suits us." At least Nelson isn't trying to actually stifle promiscuous, sexually-liberated women but she sounds like only a few steps down from that. Plus, of all the games to try and make PC and progressive, Saints Row is just about the last one aside from Duke Nukem where it will be accepted. As the first comment says, it's vile by design. It's not supposed to be a teaching tool for how to live your lives, it's supposed to be the ultimate form of escapism. Maybe Nelson should oversee a different IP starring women in prominent roles that actually works as a form of guidance or at least semi-realism, but trying to incorporate it into Saints Row is like casting Carrot Top in Angela's Ashes. It doesn't work.Don’t confuse this with an equal rights argument. This is a clear case of “equality when it suits us.” At least Nelson isn’t trying to actually stifle promiscuous, sexually-liberated women but she sounds like only a few steps down from that. Plus, of all the games to try and make PC and progressive, Saints Row is just about the last one aside from Duke Nukem where it will be accepted. As the first comment says, it’s vile by design. It’s not supposed to be a teaching tool for how to live your lives, it’s supposed to be the ultimate form of escapism. Maybe Nelson should oversee a different IP starring women in prominent roles that actually works as a form of guidance or at least semi-realism, but trying to incorporate it into Saints Row is like casting Carrot Top in Angela’s Ashes. It doesn’t work.
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JawaEstebanWed, 07 Aug 2013 02:44:37 +0000http://www.gamefront.com/?p=232927#comment-388892Alright, I was halfway paying attention right up until “Saints Row in a lots of ways has empowered minorities and empowered women, which I think is important to get across.”
That is easily the current front runner for stupidest thing I've heard or read from another person this month, and that includes the other evening when I was unable to get out of watching Keeping up with the Kardashians.
Guys, it's your site, so if you want to keep beating the 'gender tropes in gaming' horse that's certainly your perogative. However, don't expect me to take anything you have to say seriously if you're going to trot out borderline delusional natterings from Ns. Nelson as your evidence.Alright, I was halfway paying attention right up until “Saints Row in a lots of ways has empowered minorities and empowered women, which I think is important to get across.”

That is easily the current front runner for stupidest thing I’ve heard or read from another person this month, and that includes the other evening when I was unable to get out of watching Keeping up with the Kardashians.

Guys, it’s your site, so if you want to keep beating the ‘gender tropes in gaming’ horse that’s certainly your perogative. However, don’t expect me to take anything you have to say seriously if you’re going to trot out borderline delusional natterings from Ns. Nelson as your evidence.

]]>By: Arseyhttp://www.gamefront.com/volition-thqs-pornstar-focus-on-saints-row-was-in-bad-taste/#comment-388828
ArseyTue, 06 Aug 2013 21:46:13 +0000http://www.gamefront.com/?p=232927#comment-388828What really annoys me about this article is the way that Nelson's opinion is being stated as fact in the sub-header. Any professional writer would say "Nelson says it was in bad taste" and refuse to take a stance. Instead it's phrased in a way that seems to suggest the writer - and by association GameFront itself - agrees, without even questioning it. At least try to come across as somewhat impartial in news reports, even if you have displayed a childlike understanding of gender politics in the past by claiming women are forced by society to meet a paradigm of beauty or some other such crap. Not to mention that this paradigm is mostly created BY women in Cosmo and other gossip magazines so it's entirely their fault, though obviously you've never read any of these since that would require research and effort plus it might challenge your views.What really annoys me about this article is the way that Nelson’s opinion is being stated as fact in the sub-header. Any professional writer would say “Nelson says it was in bad taste” and refuse to take a stance. Instead it’s phrased in a way that seems to suggest the writer – and by association GameFront itself – agrees, without even questioning it. At least try to come across as somewhat impartial in news reports, even if you have displayed a childlike understanding of gender politics in the past by claiming women are forced by society to meet a paradigm of beauty or some other such crap. Not to mention that this paradigm is mostly created BY women in Cosmo and other gossip magazines so it’s entirely their fault, though obviously you’ve never read any of these since that would require research and effort plus it might challenge your views.
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AyrseyTue, 06 Aug 2013 21:45:04 +0000http://www.gamefront.com/?p=232927#comment-388826What annoys me about this article is the way that her opinion is being stated as fact in the sub-header. Any professional writer would say "Nelson says it was in bad taste" and refuse to take a stance. At least try to come across as somewhat impartial in news reports, even if you have displayed a childlike understanding of gender politics in the past by claiming women are forced by society to meet a paradigm of beauty or some other such crap. Not to mention that this paradigm is mostly created BY women in Cosmo and other gossip magazines so it's entirely their fault, though obviously you've never read any of these since that would require research and effort plus it might challenge your views.What annoys me about this article is the way that her opinion is being stated as fact in the sub-header. Any professional writer would say “Nelson says it was in bad taste” and refuse to take a stance. At least try to come across as somewhat impartial in news reports, even if you have displayed a childlike understanding of gender politics in the past by claiming women are forced by society to meet a paradigm of beauty or some other such crap. Not to mention that this paradigm is mostly created BY women in Cosmo and other gossip magazines so it’s entirely their fault, though obviously you’ve never read any of these since that would require research and effort plus it might challenge your views.
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monotoyTue, 06 Aug 2013 20:00:37 +0000http://www.gamefront.com/?p=232927#comment-388803totally agree with Swcloud99.
to say that off-the-shelf porn (not to mention more exotic branches) is empowering to women is plain BS. Maybe male actors earn less, but that as a proof that it would be an "empowering" business for women is a cynical joke, it's like saying women would earn more in cleaning out nuclear plants after a meltdown for some reason, and so it was an "empowering" job.
But yea, maybe you you watch it and think they enjoy their job, since their excitement looks soooo realistic ...totally agree with Swcloud99.

to say that off-the-shelf porn (not to mention more exotic branches) is empowering to women is plain BS. Maybe male actors earn less, but that as a proof that it would be an “empowering” business for women is a cynical joke, it’s like saying women would earn more in cleaning out nuclear plants after a meltdown for some reason, and so it was an “empowering” job.
But yea, maybe you you watch it and think they enjoy their job, since their excitement looks soooo realistic …

]]>By: Swcloud99http://www.gamefront.com/volition-thqs-pornstar-focus-on-saints-row-was-in-bad-taste/#comment-388723
Swcloud99Tue, 06 Aug 2013 13:05:16 +0000http://www.gamefront.com/?p=232927#comment-388723As much as I agree with the above poster's view on what Saint's Row is, I have to disagree that porn is empowering to women.
It's not empowering to anybody.
Believe me, go on a porno set and you'll see how depraved it really is. It's not uncommon for half the crew to be doing drugs while they're working.
It's sick that that industry even exists. I don't mind people watching it, but the production of it is completely unhealthy.
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Which is why it fits perfectly into Saint's Row.As much as I agree with the above poster’s view on what Saint’s Row is, I have to disagree that porn is empowering to women.
It’s not empowering to anybody.
Believe me, go on a porno set and you’ll see how depraved it really is. It’s not uncommon for half the crew to be doing drugs while they’re working.
It’s sick that that industry even exists. I don’t mind people watching it, but the production of it is completely unhealthy.
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Which is why it fits perfectly into Saint’s Row.
]]>By: Enough With the Propagandahttp://www.gamefront.com/volition-thqs-pornstar-focus-on-saints-row-was-in-bad-taste/#comment-388697
Enough With the PropagandaTue, 06 Aug 2013 08:35:48 +0000http://www.gamefront.com/?p=232927#comment-388697Oh for goodness sake. This manufactured hysteria towards gender issues is so cynical now it's barely worth talking about any more.
Saints Row is a deliberately vulgar, immature experience, a form of 'kidult' escapism that revels in its own gratuity. EVERYTHING in the game is geared towards being OTT, crude, offensive and stupid, not just the game's depiction of women. Did they ignore the fact that every man in the game is portrayed as a materialistic, testosterone-fuelled 'bro' as well? Nobody in Saints Row is shown in a positive light, because it's not supposed to be about role models. It has always intentionally ditched the role model concept in favour of shameless depravity. It scares me to death that a producer of the next game is talking about the series as if it tried and failed to create people we could look up to, when anyone who ever played the games could tell right away that it never tried. I've immediately lost all hope for SR4.
And then this woman has the gall to criticise THQ for hiring a woman in a major production role for the games just because she happens to be a porn actress, an occupation that despite the uninformed protestations of some of the less critically-minded sexist feministas is NOT degrading to women but is in fact hugely empowering to them to use their natural looks and sexuality to their advantage, plus they earn far more than their male co-stars - something which I don't remember ever hearing any complaints about in equal pay disputes. But even if you ignore all that, it's their right to choose their profession, same as it was the right of those models to talk about each other's breasts while playing Payday. Nobody forces these women into doing these things, the so-called 'glass ceiling' no longer exists due to stupid amounts of affirmative action laws to force women to the top of plum industries even if and when they're less qualified than male counterparts who funnily enough don't have anywhere near as many protective rights from the state.
So which is it, Nelson? Do you want women to reach the top, or don't you? Because you can't have it both ways. You can't preach this self-indulgent girl power mantra in one breath then try to deny other women from their own chosen pursuit of success in another just because it doesn't cater to your taste. You either want liberty or you don't, you either want gender equality or you don't. There's no grey area here. Everything about this woman's comment comes across as a hypocritical, self-deluding soundbyte to appease feminists and not any form of independent, rational thought - not to mention it appears that she doesn't have a single clue what Saints Row is about.Oh for goodness sake. This manufactured hysteria towards gender issues is so cynical now it’s barely worth talking about any more.

Saints Row is a deliberately vulgar, immature experience, a form of ‘kidult’ escapism that revels in its own gratuity. EVERYTHING in the game is geared towards being OTT, crude, offensive and stupid, not just the game’s depiction of women. Did they ignore the fact that every man in the game is portrayed as a materialistic, testosterone-fuelled ‘bro’ as well? Nobody in Saints Row is shown in a positive light, because it’s not supposed to be about role models. It has always intentionally ditched the role model concept in favour of shameless depravity. It scares me to death that a producer of the next game is talking about the series as if it tried and failed to create people we could look up to, when anyone who ever played the games could tell right away that it never tried. I’ve immediately lost all hope for SR4.

And then this woman has the gall to criticise THQ for hiring a woman in a major production role for the games just because she happens to be a porn actress, an occupation that despite the uninformed protestations of some of the less critically-minded sexist feministas is NOT degrading to women but is in fact hugely empowering to them to use their natural looks and sexuality to their advantage, plus they earn far more than their male co-stars – something which I don’t remember ever hearing any complaints about in equal pay disputes. But even if you ignore all that, it’s their right to choose their profession, same as it was the right of those models to talk about each other’s breasts while playing Payday. Nobody forces these women into doing these things, the so-called ‘glass ceiling’ no longer exists due to stupid amounts of affirmative action laws to force women to the top of plum industries even if and when they’re less qualified than male counterparts who funnily enough don’t have anywhere near as many protective rights from the state.

So which is it, Nelson? Do you want women to reach the top, or don’t you? Because you can’t have it both ways. You can’t preach this self-indulgent girl power mantra in one breath then try to deny other women from their own chosen pursuit of success in another just because it doesn’t cater to your taste. You either want liberty or you don’t, you either want gender equality or you don’t. There’s no grey area here. Everything about this woman’s comment comes across as a hypocritical, self-deluding soundbyte to appease feminists and not any form of independent, rational thought – not to mention it appears that she doesn’t have a single clue what Saints Row is about.