When playing BJ: that person who thinks if the other people at the table don't play optimally, it hurts their EV.

Like some lady on my right will hit on 13 with a 4 showing, she busts when she gets a face card, I stay, and the person to my left, showing 11, starts berating the table fish, saying that was "their" card. I've even heard some people claim that it hurts their EV, saying that if the whole table plays well, they will get better cards.

Originally Posted by Ditka88

The mf'ers who try to transfer debts. "I owe you $200 right? Well Mike owes me $250, so just get it from him"

This only works if it's a prior arrangement between people. My group of friends back home used a spreadsheet to keep track of all the prop bets and other gambling debts, then would regularly settle up with minimal money transference. However, if there's no prior deal, fuck you, pay me.

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

When playing BJ: that person who thinks if the other people at the table don't play optimally, it hurts their EV.

Like some lady on my right will hit on 13 with a 4 showing, she busts when she gets a face card, I stay, and the person to my left, showing 11, starts berating the table fish, saying that was "their" card. I've even heard some people claim that it hurts their EV, saying that if the whole table plays well, they will get better cards.

Seriously just basically insert any superstitious behavior or the cards/dice have "memory" type of mentality that gamblers have and actually genuinely believe, like, not just saying it jokingly but clearly actually believe cuz they get straight up angry about it and rant with a serious facial expression about at the bj or craps table, basically FUCK YOU, cunts. I hate those people so much. "Oh now, you bought in at the craps table while a roll was going on. Don't you know that affects the odds/longterm mathematical EV expectation of the game and stuff because it is 'bad mojo'/'bad juju'/'bad____'!!!" UHHHH NO IT MOTHERFUCKING DOESN'T ASSHOLE. FUCKING DIE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Waldo38

My most tilting is Crown Casino in Melbourne Australia, they thought they werent raping people enough so they changed the Rules of Black Jack, now if the Dealer gets 22 its a push lol no matter what you have, and if you get a 22 you bust.

They have changed that rule on mosts of the low stakes tables. so rigged. Their arguement is that they pay you out straight away when you get 21 so it evens it up lol.

So rigged, never playing black jack there again.

I completely forgot about this! Biggest bunch of BS I've witnessed in a casino.

Originally Posted by bfactor

Seriously just basically insert any superstitious behavior or the cards/dice have "memory" type of mentality that gamblers have and actually genuinely believe, like, not just saying it jokingly but clearly actually believe cuz they get straight up angry about it and rant with a serious facial expression about at the bj or craps table, basically FUCK YOU, cunts. I hate those people so much. "Oh now, you bought in at the craps table while a roll was going on. Don't you know that affects the odds/longterm mathematical EV expectation of the game and stuff because it is 'bad mojo'/'bad juju'/'bad____'!!!" UHHHH NO IT MOTHERFUCKING DOESN'T ASSHOLE. FUCKING DIE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Why are humans so fucking retarded

Are you posing a statement that instincts and hunches do not exist?

While it's easy to say in the long-term such and such runs at this probability, the reality is none of us will live long enough, or go through enough observations to see that long-term prospect. In the interim, we should focus on what immediately affects the next outcome not what the aggregate of all previous and future outcomes will be. You are putting more weight into your theoretical prospects than what experience has ingrained into craps players. Where does that happen, I wonder, where people believe in something not observed in reality over actual observations, man it really is right on the top of my head, what is it, what is it, hmmmmmmm, oh yeah, sounds like religion. Kudos for coming over to the dark side buddy, may you be blessed.

Originally Posted by bfactor

Seriously just basically insert any superstitious behavior or the cards/dice have "memory" type of mentality that gamblers have and actually genuinely believe, like, not just saying it jokingly but clearly actually believe cuz they get straight up angry about it and rant with a serious facial expression about at the bj or craps table, basically FUCK YOU, cunts. I hate those people so much. "Oh now, you bought in at the craps table while a roll was going on. Don't you know that affects the odds/longterm mathematical EV expectation of the game and stuff because it is 'bad mojo'/'bad juju'/'bad____'!!!" UHHHH NO IT MOTHERFUCKING DOESN'T ASSHOLE. FUCKING DIE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Why are humans so fucking retarded

I doubt any of us live long enough or play enough craps to worry about stuff like long term expectation. I don't understand why you get so worked up about stuff like this. How often do you even play craps? Maybe once a year? You stated earlier ITT that you rarely even shoot dice.

Originally Posted by STOPPER19

I actually refused to learn and play BJ for a while bc my first two experiences at the BJ table were like this. Made the whole experience of learning the game terrible. I figured all the games were like this and was like fuck that if you make one mistake you get killed? no thanks.

Now i realize these guys are miserable fucks and the ultimate degens. I'd prob be that way too if I played 4x a week with half my paycheck.

yeah snd it's stupid too, how many times did a wrong play help them, bad play changes nothing.

Originally Posted by Niceguy

Are you posing a statement that instincts and hunches do not exist?

While it's easy to say in the long-term such and such runs at this probability, the reality is none of us will live long enough, or go through enough observations to see that long-term prospect. In the interim, we should focus on what immediately affects the next outcome not what the aggregate of all previous and future outcomes will be. You are putting more weight into your theoretical prospects than what experience has ingrained into craps players. Where does that happen, I wonder, where people believe in something not observed in reality over actual observations, man it really is right on the top of my head, what is it, what is it, hmmmmmmm, oh yeah, sounds like religion. Kudos for coming over to the dark side buddy, may you be blessed.

WTF are you guys talking about lolllllllllll

Jesus fucking christ, even in the "short run", I'm saying, it makes no fucking difference on any bet ever made whether you blow on the dice or whether someone tries to buy in during the middle of the roll or any stupid superstitious bullshit like that. None of that shit affects your odds on any bet. Ever. And hooooly fucking lol at trying to say that NOT being superstitious = being religious. WTFFFF, I can't believe my fucking eyeballs. Clearly it's the exact polar fucking opposite. Being superstitious is what is akin to being religious, not being NOT superstitious. ARGHHHH fuck this stupid rock of morons, why can't I be alone on Mars and not be near any of all these fucktards yet. LJSHFDkljdslfkjdslkfjsd fuck this shit

Originally Posted by Xmas32

I doubt any of us live long enough or play enough craps to worry about stuff like long term expectation. I don't understand why you get so worked up about stuff like this. How often do you even play craps? Maybe once a year? You stated earlier ITT that you rarely even shoot dice.

Edit: Didn't see Niceguy's post, +1 to most of what he said.

WTFFFFFFFFFF

Am I seriously the only sane fucking person on this site. How are there not any people who comprehend basic, 4th grade probability mathematics.

"superstitious" shit like blowing on the dice, or someone buying into the table during the middle of a roll, or whatever stupid shit like that HAS NO EFFECT on ANYTHING. EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Not in the short run. Not in the long run. Not anything. Your odds on any one single roll do not fucking change from that shit. You have EXACTLY the same motherfucking odds of winning or losing your bet regardless of whether some chick buys into the table during the roll or not. This doesn't have ANYTHING to do with waiting for years and years for "the longrun to kick in". NO you fucking insane weirdos, I'm saying, it doesn't have any effect on ANY bet, everrrrrr. Not on the very next bet. Not the one after it. Not the million ones after that. NONEEEE OF THEMMMMMMMMM

How are people actually siding with superstition on this shit. I'm seriously so fucking pissed off at the human race right now at the sight of you being like "Durrrrrp, oh yea durrppp like +1 at that durrrrrp" at a post that goes "Well, maybe in the long run superstition won't matter, but in the short run it will..." <---- ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. ::HEAD EXPLODES at how retarded that statement is:: Barffffffffffffff, this shit is off the chartsishly stupid.

Originally Posted by bfactor

WTFFFFFFFFFF

Am I seriously the only sane fucking person on this site. How are there not any people who comprehend basic, 4th grade probability mathematics.

"superstitious" shit like blowing on the dice, or someone buying into the table during the middle of a roll, or whatever stupid shit like that HAS NO EFFECT on ANYTHING. EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Not in the short run. Not in the long run. Not anything. Your odds on any one single roll do not fucking change from that shit. You have EXACTLY the same motherfucking odds of winning or losing your bet regardless of whether some chick buys into the table during the roll or not. This doesn't have ANYTHING to do with waiting for years and years for "the longrun to kick in". NO you fucking insane weirdos, I'm saying, it doesn't have any effect on ANY bet, everrrrrr. Not on the very next bet. Not the one after it. Not the million ones after that. NONEEEE OF THEMMMMMMMMM

How are people actually siding with superstition on this shit. I'm seriously so fucking pissed off at the human race right now at the sight of you being like "Durrrrrp, oh yea durrppp like +1 at that durrrrrp" at a post that goes "Well, maybe in the long run superstition won't matter, but in the short run it will..." <---- ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. ::HEAD EXPLODES at how retarded that statement is:: Barffffffffffffff, this shit is off the chartsishly stupid.

I'm gonna go murder everyone ever now. Nice job assholes.

How often do you play craps again? Why don't you try answering my questions instead of going off the deep end like usual.

Originally Posted by rayspizza

second word in post tho

Whoops just saw it. Yea that's laughable. My local casino did the same thing in a tourney a few weeks ago.after they were heads up on a flop one lady reg asked the other "how do you wanna play this?" ...I was like wtf? Dealers are so scared to tell the regs anything and if u say something all the regs look at u with disdain.

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