Obama Declares War On The Catholic Church: An Explainerhttp://www.businessinsider.com/obama-declares-war-on-the-catholic-church-an-explainer-2012-2/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Tue, 03 Mar 2015 14:09:52 -0500Michael Brendan Doughertyhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f40ca82ecad04612c000035JenniSun, 19 Feb 2012 05:10:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f40ca82ecad04612c000035
Greg - it's "THE establishment of religion" and the difference is important. Congress is not allowed to create a national religion; that doesn't mean that they can't make laws that affect private businesses run by Catholic groups.
Besides, what about the non-contraceptive uses for birth control? Endometriosis - a disease that can cause infertility - is often treated with birth control (<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001913/" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001913/</a>). Also, there are some women who use birth control pills to regulate their cycles and reduce pain so that they can function normally . I have friends who, if not for birth control, would be nearly bedridden with pain for two weeks of every month. (Granted, that's an ad hominid argument and not nearly as effective, but it's still true.) Hormone treatments like the pill are actually used for more than just contraception.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3cfe746bb3f78252000038Betsy RheaumeThu, 16 Feb 2012 08:02:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3cfe746bb3f78252000038
The Church is not taking away anyone's rights, you can still go buy birth control. If you want a health insurance plan that pays for your birth control, go work somewhere that it is offered. You'll still be paying for it though, through increased insurance premiums. Even if your employer pays the premium, costs are passed down to consumers and employees. That pay raise you were hoping you would get, it had to go toward paying someone's birth control.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3add6becad046b71000019Justin CarlinTue, 14 Feb 2012 17:17:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3add6becad046b71000019
Women the world over lived there whole lives without "the pill" right up until the 1960's. But to read some of these comments it's as if they would die without it. Seriously it is not a miracle cure for being born a woman. The Catholic Church is not putting down all women by not giving it away for free. The World Health Organization (WHO) declared "The pill" Carcinogenicity (cancer causing). How is this preventative medicine?
<a href="http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/publications/ageing/cocs_hrt_statement.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/publications/ageing/cocs_hrt_statement.pdf</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3ad6886bb3f78a15000011Justin CarlinTue, 14 Feb 2012 16:47:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3ad6886bb3f78a15000011
There is no right to health care services protected in the Constitution.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3ad5a6eab8eaa54300002aJustin CarlinTue, 14 Feb 2012 16:44:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3ad5a6eab8eaa54300002a
You also don't have a Constitutionally protected belief against skiing, cooking, football, or driving, nor do you have business that employees people based on these beliefs.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3a86fc69bedd875c000006Roo ForlifeTue, 14 Feb 2012 11:08:28 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3a86fc69bedd875c000006
How the White House’s 98% Contraception Figure for Catholics is Wrong
<a href="http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26675" target="_blank">http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26675</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3a1f53ecad048724000011John-PaulTue, 14 Feb 2012 03:46:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3a1f53ecad048724000011
I wonder about the truth of the statement: "98 percent of Catholics have used artificial contraception anyway"
So does this article: <a href="http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/fudging_the_figures_on_contraception" target="_blank">http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/fudging_the_figures_on_contraception</a>.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f39814decad04970c000025LauraOinAKMon, 13 Feb 2012 16:31:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f39814decad04970c000025
One thing that was mentioned by our pastor yesterday is the affect this bill has on small business owners who are Catholics and would be forced to provide the coverage.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f376686eab8ea6f2c000010Steve R.Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:13:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f376686eab8ea6f2c000010
As a Catholic I am ashamed of the Bishops, they are completely out of touch with life in the parishes. I have not lost my faith, just my faith in the church leadership and as a result I will no longer contribute financially to the Catholic church. In fact, I think I will give my weekly donation to Planned Parenthood to help combat this lunacy about the sin of contaception.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f367f1669beddcf1f000026TreArrowSat, 11 Feb 2012 09:45:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f367f1669beddcf1f000026
The coverage of this issue on this website makes me sick. Especially the "Catholic church has always been right" which doesn't even allow comments to call it out for what it is, a vile misogynistic attack on women. The argument that we as a species can and should continue to multiply without limit on a planet with finite resources is as absurd as it is short sighted. What this article should be titled is the "Catholic Church's war on women". Access to contraception is on of the most cost effective ways of reducing the frequency of unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Women with unintended pregnancies are more likely to be smoke, drink, and delay or skip prenatal care, potentially harming fetuses and putting babies at increased risk of being born prematurely and having low birth weight. If the Catholic Church and the GOP really cared about reducing abortions, teen pregnancy and the welfare of children they should be bending over backwards to support this rule by the dept. of HHS, but the sad trough is that the Catholic Church has had a century's long vendetta against the rights of women and has contributed to the gynocide (wrongful killing of females) through witch hunts, and the inquisition. They also do not care about the about protecting children. The Catholic Church did its best to hide its own epidemic of sexual abuse of children within its own ranks. It failed to protect those in society that are in most need of protection and willfully contributed to their torment. Actually considering the vile record of the Catholic Church and the disgusting ideology they promote and try to coerce others into following, I'd say its about time that someone declared war on them. Furthermore this rule affects NO ONE"S ABILITY TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION! Catholics who actually believe church doctrine (roughly 70% don't) are free to multiply in bliss without contraception, all this rule does is require that the protestant Nurse who works for them not be denied access to affordable birth control because she works for one of the Nation's largest private employers.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f35a40569bedd685a00000dfrbitscheFri, 10 Feb 2012 18:11:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f35a40569bedd685a00000d
If the Catholic Church decides it can't live with this requirement will they government take over these hospitals and schools? Will that not cost the American taxpayer? Or will they just add it to the masssive debt by borrowing the money from China?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f355bd669bedd192f00003dMariaFri, 10 Feb 2012 13:03:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f355bd669bedd192f00003d
The writer of the article summarized the issue beautifully in one of his lines:
"You don't take away people's rights because you disagree with them"
Ironically, this is exactly what the Catholic Church is doing, taking away the rights of women and men to the full array of health services available to all citizens.
If the Church demands religious freedom, then it should also respect the religious choices of their own employees.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f34f05f6bb3f7273e00002fReXteryalizer PawFri, 10 Feb 2012 05:24:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f34f05f6bb3f7273e00002f
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The Church absolutely has been right on the issue of birth control.
For those who wish to learn why the Church is correct on this issue, an excellent commentary and further resource links can be found here:
<a href="http://allhands-ondeck.blogspot.com/2011/07/43rd-anniversary-of-humanae-vitae.html" target="_blank">http://allhands-ondeck.blogspot.com/2011/07/43rd-anniversary-of-humanae-vitae.html</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f34738e6bb3f7a266000023Reilly WilloughbyThu, 09 Feb 2012 20:31:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f34738e6bb3f7a266000023
As a Catholic, the "cover-up" thing sickens me. I can not imagine what possessed the people involved to do what they did, in the initial acts of pedophilia, and in covering it up. However, I do believe there is a large reform process going on. Most archdiocese require sexual abuse recognition training for EVERYONE involved in the church. When I was 16 years old volunteering with the Youth Group I was required to do training in recognizing a reporting abuse. While you can not ignore what happened, we can hope that it will not happen again, and grow from these egregious error.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3472796bb3f7986a000011Reilly WilloughbyThu, 09 Feb 2012 20:27:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3472796bb3f7986a000011
The thing is, while I realize in a lot of places Catholic hospitals are the only option, if you needed a birth control service, go somewhere else? It just seems wrong to force a group to do something that they believe will curse them to eternal damnation, does it not?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f34716e69bedd264500002cReilly WilloughbyThu, 09 Feb 2012 20:22:54 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f34716e69bedd264500002c
The Catholic Church does not necessarily disagree with equal rights for gay couples. The Catholic Church does will not wed a gay couple, but the Government allowing unions between gay people is a little more gray. Most of the Catholics I know support gay marriage rights, as long as the church is not required to actually wed the couple.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3470d4eab8eaaa1000001cReilly WilloughbyThu, 09 Feb 2012 20:20:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3470d4eab8eaaa1000001c
The problem is there is a high population of Catholic Hispanics. I feel most of the devout ones (of which there are a LOT) would vote against him purely because of this.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f346fc2eab8eaa810000017Reilly WilloughbyThu, 09 Feb 2012 20:15:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f346fc2eab8eaa810000017
The Catholic Church is not against gay people. Only gay marriage. The Catholic Church fully accepts openly gay priests. Maybe you should research this more before you make your comments?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f33455d69bedd7340000031abujihadWed, 08 Feb 2012 23:02:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f33455d69bedd7340000031
Americans are going to hell with condom !
do free fucking every dayhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f333bbd69bedd4e2f000026SarahWed, 08 Feb 2012 22:21:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f333bbd69bedd4e2f000026
Catholics DO consider the use of contraception as a sin. It is a mortal sin if it is used KNOWING that it is a grave sin. You are not a practising Catholic so you'd better get to know the faith because, unfortunately Izardo, you're way off. As a practising Catholic I know why the Church is against contraception and I completely agree. My life has never been better after coming to know the Truth. I think that if you believe the Pope is saying, "bullshit" you need to rethink being Catholic. You need to read Humanae Vitae:
<a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html" target="_blank">http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html</a>
May God bless and love you.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f333a94eab8ea8b33000042SarahWed, 08 Feb 2012 22:16:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f333a94eab8ea8b33000042
The Catholic Church will not budge on its views on contraception. It is a moral evil and intrinsically evil because it stops the life making element intended during sexual intercourse. During sex we partake in creation with God and are given the power and ability to create new life through loving one another intimately and become "one flesh". The child is the manifestation of this unity as he/she has both the flesh of his/her mother and father. This is why sex is reserved for married couples in the Catholic Church. No other relationship is given this creative power WITH the authority of the Holy Spirit, except for those married in the Catholic Church. That is not to say people can not fall pregnant out of marriage, but they are not officially united by the Holy Spirit and deemed "one flesh" by God. Neither do other relationships receive graces through the Sacrament of Matrimony which restored to grace which was destroyed at the Fall of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f32f96eecad049e23000032BusinessOutsiderWed, 08 Feb 2012 17:38:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f32f96eecad049e23000032
But isn't the Church just a criminal enterprise of child-molesting freaks! I can't wait until the day it dies. It is based on fairy-tales!
Is this a normal reaction to the Catholic Church?? There are plenty of child molesting rabbis, pastors and coaches out there, seems this joke of a writer has an agenda.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f32c098ecad047e35000076Masquer08erWed, 08 Feb 2012 13:36:08 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f32c098ecad047e35000076
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f32b768eab8ea7245000003Greg RodriguezWed, 08 Feb 2012 12:56:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f32b768eab8ea7245000003
I don't ski, so I don't believe my tax dollars should help someone that suffered a skiing accident. I don't cook, so my money should not pay the bills of someone who cut himself accidentally while chopping onions. I don't play football, I don't drive, I don't use contraception...you get the idea.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3294256bb3f73212000050JDWed, 08 Feb 2012 10:26:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3294256bb3f73212000050
You must not be a smart Catholic. Or a Catholic at all! The Church outright rejects all forms of contraception. It is held to be a very grave sin. Read any Papal encyclical on the subject. Read the canon laws. Read the Scriptures. Its there in ink and sealed with the Holy Spirit.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3276c9eab8ea0732000022KPWed, 08 Feb 2012 08:21:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3276c9eab8ea0732000022
uh...Georgetown. that's one.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f326850ecad04a72400001fraymedeirosjrWed, 08 Feb 2012 07:19:28 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f326850ecad04a72400001f
Georgetown University provides plans with and without contraception and abortion, according to Julia Green
Bataille, associate vice president for communications.
DePaul University in Chicago covers birth control in both its fully insured HMO plan and its self-insured PPO plan and excludes “elective abortion,” said spokesman John Holden, adding that the 1,800 employee-university responded to a complaint from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission several years ago and added artificial contraception as a benefit to its Blue Cross PPO.
Christian Brothers University in Memphis, Tenn., offers employee health insurance via the Tennessee Independent Colleges and Universities Association, a consortium of Christian Bible and other private college and universities. Its plan excludes abortion, but probably covers artificial contraception as a prescription drug, said C. Gregg Conroy, the executive director of the TICUA Benefit Consortium.
<a href="http://www.projectsycamore.com/media/images/bulletins/111020/OSVins.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.projectsycamore.com/media/images/bulletins/111020/OSVins.pdf</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31e32aeab8eabe1f000071John MackTue, 07 Feb 2012 21:51:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31e32aeab8eabe1f000071
Many serious issues here:
1. Rights of all citizens vs rights of religious dissenters.
What is the role of religious belief when a church operates a charitable service - like a hospitals - that serves all citizens without discrimination and without favoring its own members?
Catholic hospitals take in revenue of course but they do provide for the poor, thus fulfilling their charitable mission. Yet in many areas they provide the main hospital services, to all citizens, not just Catholics.
Is it right for the government to impose conformity to a legal right granted to all citizens on a group of citizens that dissent from that legal right as not a right at all but a violation of moral law? Does freedom of conscience protect these dissenters? Catholics are not demanding that all hospitals should deny contraceptives, just hospitals they operate.
Is it right for a Catholic hospital, where it is the main provider of hospital services, to deny contraceptives to those who have the legal right to contraceptives and whose consciences view contraceptives as morally neutral or morally positive?
2. Making the use of contraceptives the equivalent of abortion. The Catholic Church takes this stand. Very few others agree, including many opposed to abortion. Most Catholics also disagree with this position, as do many ex-Catholics whose doubts about this doctrine led them to question why they were Catholics.
This belief may be odd, but it is not the issue. The issue is whether those who hold this official Catholic moral position and also operate a hospital have the right to be exempt by conscience from a policy that aims to make a legal right possessed by all citizens available a all hospitals.
We need a modern Sophocles to adapt the Antigone to this situation.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31c41fecad04770b000006Golden RuleTue, 07 Feb 2012 19:38:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31c41fecad04770b000006
Wouldn't it be nice if Karmic Justice stopped him. Do unto him as he does unto others. I guess I can dream,http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31b70469beddf967000028WHRTue, 07 Feb 2012 18:43:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31b70469beddf967000028
The hospitals and schools are NON PROFITS. That means they do not make a profit--thus a charity.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31b1e069bedd5654000047PetraKTue, 07 Feb 2012 18:21:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31b1e069bedd5654000047
why hire then gay people as doctors or nurses in Catholic owned hospitals? Why hire fat people who are obviously partaking in gluttony. ?
Should Catholic need organizations help families with gay parents or should heterosexuals apply only.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f319ac969bedde62800004dMark out WestTue, 07 Feb 2012 16:42:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f319ac969bedde62800004d
Yeah, spammer, keep it up. We all know you're pissed at Catholics since Mary Beth O'Hanlon wouldn't give you a b.j. at the prom.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f319a18ecad04a93d000033SCTue, 07 Feb 2012 16:39:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f319a18ecad04a93d000033
The big issue is not so much that priests molested children, but that those priests were shielded from law enforcement and moved to different parishes so that they could continue to operate as predators. There was no protection for the victims or for future victims. With such an irresponsible policy towards the well-being and safety of those children, they lose the moral high ground in the "protection of the innocent" claims.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f319952ecad047b3f00001fPetraKTue, 07 Feb 2012 16:36:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f319952ecad047b3f00001f
priests have been molesting lots of kids for centuries now. I don't seem to recall the vigor against diddling Priests as I do on this issue.
maybe the Catholic business interests think Romney will be more helpful to their investments.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3196ad6bb3f7865f000018Michael Brendan DoughertyTue, 07 Feb 2012 16:25:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3196ad6bb3f7865f000018
Because people aren't sins. The Church would be against paying for a divorce court, or a gay-dating site, not against serving divorced or gay people who are sick.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3193fd6bb3f7555d00000eJames ChapinTue, 07 Feb 2012 16:13:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3193fd6bb3f7555d00000e
Whether or not individual Catholics think contraception is or isn't a sin is irrelevant. The Catholic Catechism teaches that contraception is a sin. That's the truth; that's what is right. If you could just take a few minutes to at least read a summary of the Humanae Vitae that was mentioned in the article, you could learn more about the opinion of the Catholic Church.
Here's the wikipedia summary: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanae_Vitae#Summary" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanae_Vitae#Summary</a>
But if you don't believe wikipedia, here's a summary on a catholic website: <a href="http://catholicinsight.com/online/church/humanae/article_855.shtml" target="_blank">http://catholicinsight.com/online/church/humanae/article_855.shtml</a>
And if you don't want to believe THAT one, here is a summary from Scribd: <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/35696989/Vatican-Document-Humanae-Vitae-A-Summary" target="_blank">http://www.scribd.com/doc/35696989/Vatican-Document-Humanae-Vitae-A-Summary</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31926f6bb3f75b5300005bJames ChapinTue, 07 Feb 2012 16:06:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31926f6bb3f75b5300005b
A couple points I want to make...
From Sam Miller, a Jewish Cleveland businessman: "The press is vindictive and trying to totally denigrate in every way the Catholic Church in this country. They have blamed the disease of pedophilia on the Catholic Church, which is as irresponsible as blaming adultery on the institution of marriage.
Let me give you some figures that Catholics should know and remember. For example, 12% of the 300 Protestant clergy surveyed admitted to sexual intercourse with a parishioner; 38% acknowledged other inappropriate sexual contact in a study by the United Methodist Church , 41.8% of clergy women reported unwanted sexual behavior; 17% of laywomen have been sexually harassed. Meanwhile, 1.7% of the Catholic clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia. 10% of the Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia. This is not a Catholic Problem."
Also, just because something is a sin does not mean that you will not find anyone who does it. People sin. We are imperfect creatures. Whether or not "98%" of Catholics have used contraception does not make it any less of a sin.
These points may not be quite as relevant to the discussion of the healthcare policy, but I wanted to respond to some of the questions in the article.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f319235ecad04a43500000799%-ObamaTue, 07 Feb 2012 16:05:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f319235ecad04a435000007
Go read a book, Gary. God, you are one moronic blowhard.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3192216bb3f74b55000027Mark out WestTue, 07 Feb 2012 16:05:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f3192216bb3f74b55000027
Name one.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31903069bedded16000069queenofscottTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:57:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f31903069bedded16000069
Correction to my post...Religious groups and white males ARE the minorities.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318faf69beddf71b000011queenofscottTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:55:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318faf69beddf71b000011
Religious groups and white males are not the minorities. Obama still has the majority of the black, hispanic, lesbian, california, new york, entitlement and elitest votes.
Obama wins, America loses.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318f36eab8eaa10900004dMark out WestTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:53:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318f36eab8eaa10900004d
Gary, Nero martyred St. Peter under the First Persecutions. You know, the first pope. The guy BURIED under the altar of, uh, St. Peter's Bascilica?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318e93ecad04842d00002fqueenofscottTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:50:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318e93ecad04842d00002f
I do not see Obama losing the election. I don't see how he can be stopped. America is doomed.
P.S. Don't blame me. I didn't/won't vote for him.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318e876bb3f74a4b00007bRich JonesTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:50:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318e876bb3f74a4b00007b
"You don't take away people's rights because you disagree with them. "
So I guess that means the Catholic Church will cease fighting gay marriage then, right? Oh, that only goes one way doesn't it. We are not a theocracy. In this country people's access to health insurance is tied to their job. If those institutions hire non-Catholics, those non-Catholics should not have their health insurance restricted by the Catholic Church. We all pay for things in society that we disagree with. Get over it.
Read more: <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-declares-war-on-the-catholic-church-an-explainer-2012-2#comment-form#ixzz1ljO1Npfd" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-declares-war-on-the-catholic-church-an-explainer-2012-2#comment-form#ixzz1ljO1Npfd</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318e50eab8eaae09000031dave.in.flTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:49:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318e50eab8eaae09000031
so an obama voter like yourself thinks he knows what;s best for the church?
that calls for a big LOL
<a href="http://seekingalpha.com/user/926530/instablog/full_index" target="_blank">http://seekingalpha.com/user/926530/instablog/full_index</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318e3feab8ea5a0e000017queenofscottTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:49:03 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318e3feab8ea5a0e000017
As sarcastic as the writer is trying to be, this article is pretty lame and tries way to hard to be simple.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318d9b6bb3f7335100003efox news expertTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:46:19 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318d9b6bb3f7335100003e
oh snap, liberals
The pundits are now reporting that not only did Obama alienate the Catholic vote, but lost support among all religious groups and white males. An intra-day poll puts his support at just 43%, down 12 percent from last week. <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/926530-stock_creeper/289091-romney-is-right-about-the-poor-stocks-surge-on-obama-catholic-gaffe" target="_blank">http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/926530-stock_creeper/289091-romney-is-right-about-the-poor-stocks-surge-on-obama-catholic-gaffe</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318d1a6bb3f7645300000cGary AndersonTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:44:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318d1a6bb3f7645300000c
"And, the Church has survived Nero's persecution, and Napoleon's kidnapping of the pope." The church that survived Nero's persecution was not the Catholic Church.
Other than that this is an interesting article.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318c41eab8ea900900000aStorm BTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:40:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318c41eab8ea900900000a
I find the title of this article demeaning. We don't have questions, just irrational opinions!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318c40eab8ea5207000027PhilTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:40:32 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318c40eab8ea5207000027
No, Obama is not going to win.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318bfc69bedd3012000019radixTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:39:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318bfc69bedd3012000019
"So when Jesus said heal the sick and feed the poor it had nothing to do with religion?"
Are these profit centers for the Church? If they're making a profit, it's not charity, nor can such activity be considered a religious obligation either.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318bf16bb3f73f4f000010Petra KTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:39:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318bf16bb3f73f4f000010
The Catholic church is against divorce and homosexuality too isn't it? Why aren't they against providing benefits for those folks?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318b94ecad04602b000004raymedeirosjrTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:37:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318b94ecad04602b000004
Yet many catholic schools already cover birth controlhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318b75eab8ea5207000019lzardoTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:37:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318b75eab8ea5207000019
Catholics DOES NOT consider contraception as a sin, smart catholics also are aware that emmergencial contraception DOES NOT cause abortion.
But, aparently, catholic priests and the vatican do.
I think its about time to catholics to pay attention to the kind of bullshit their church are saying.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318b21ecad045c27000023GregTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:35:45 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318b21ecad045c27000023
Conflicting rights? Constitutional rights win vs. new made up rights like "right to healthcare" with healthcare including birth control by definition. FFS rubbers are cheap, actually free in a lot of places.
By requiring churches to pay for their employees birth control the congress passed a law "respecting an establishment of religion". Just give them a "conscientious objector" waiver and move on.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318a17ecad04822500001aGregTue, 07 Feb 2012 15:31:19 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f318a17ecad04822500001a
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