Fanacas: maxx lange i now a scandinavoin player who does just the opeside he doenst want dull games but complicatet :P he like it when people play the blackmar diemer against him. (he also plays the scots. englund defence agianst f4 all that kind of openings)

with c2-c4 most of the time after
8.c4 - cxd4
9.exd4 dxc4
10bxc4 whit gets 2 hanging powns at c4 and d5 (but can be wel gaurded) black most of the times ausult the pawns but white can do a king stie attack then.

LDJ: I always play 1.e4 as White and I have a repertoire for White which I'm comfortable with. I like the positions that arise from the Scotch, Giuoco Piano (with 5.d4) and open Sicilians. As black I play either the Petroff or the Sicilian against 1.e4. But guess what... I don't know what to do against 1.d4. I don't want to play some dubious gambit, but I'd like an opening or system that is considered sound and that leads to positions I like. Can anyone give me some advice? Thanks in advance.

MaxxLange: <LDJ> I'd advise that you just play ...d5 and learn the Black side of the QGD. You seem comfortable with classical openings in e4, so I don't think this will be hard for you.

If you're looking to branch out into other systems, you can leave yourself options by move order tricks. For example, on 1 d4, you can play 1...Nf6. White will play probably 2 c4 or 2 Nf3. Either move can be met with ...e6, and Black still has a lot of options, in addition to just playing ...d5 next, which will transpose to the QGD.

You can start trying out the QID, the Nimzo-Indian, and even the Modern Benoni (1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 c5), while still relying on your main line QGD as a defense.

MaxxLange: If White plays 1 d4, 2 Nf3 and does NOT play c4, we have the "Queens Pawn Game". The .1..Nf6 and 2...e6 repertoire has deprived you of using King's Indian setups against the Colle or the London or whatever. That's OK, but it is a concession.

Phony Benoni: <LDJ> I think MaxxLange makes a good point about trying 1...d5 first to see if it suits you. If not, you might consider the Dutch (1...f5). This is probably a bit more risky than other mainstream responses to 1.d4, since 1...f5 exposes the king and does nothing for development. But it has a couple of benefits. First, it's very hard for White to avoid. Second, it gives you more of a chance to control the opening.

After 1.d4 d5, White can go straight to the Queen's Gambit, for which you will be prepared. However, he may also play any of a number of systems omitting 2.c4 (Torre with Bg5, Colle with e3 and Bd3, the Bf4 stuff, etc.), when he will be controlling the opening. This may not bother you, since the lines are not as theoretically strong.

However, the point is that White is controlling the opening, and if you want to try and seize this initiative yourself you must take some risks with Black. The Dutch makes it more likely you can get into one of your systems rather than one of White's. Again, it can be risky, and if you are risk-averse it should be avoided.

If you play the French, then 1 d4 e6 is another move order option, that can lead to the systems I mentioned, and which still leaves open a transposition to the Dutch.

After 1 d4 e6 2 e4, 2...d5 and the French is your theoretically best move, but 2...b6 and even 2...c5 are possible. After 2...c5, 3 Nf3 transposes to the Sicilian, and 3 d5 is the so-called "Franco-Benoni".

rapidcitychess: First good game in the Stonewall as black. I was trying for penetration on the c-file a la L Van Vliet vs Znosko-Borovsky, 1907 but hey, in a chess game you need to be flexible.
A quote from my pastor: <Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be broken.> Here's the game featuring entombment, a rare theme

Paul123: 1.d4 d5 2.f4 I like the Stonewall as White its extremely solid and works well in correspondence games where it avoids computer theory. to play this opening you have to be prepared for the known positions where Black achieves equality...usually Black will be lost three moves after this point having not studied (taken the opening seriously)

2...Nf6 3.Nf3 e6 4.e3 c5 5.c3 Be7 6.Be2?! White should be fighting for e4 by placing the bishop at d3. Black's best defense against the stonewall is to fienchetto the bishop at g7 ...However...delaying the castling by black also works [6.Bd3 Nc6 (6...c4?! 7.Bc2 b5 8.Nbd2 Bb7 9.Qe2 Ne4 10.Nxe4 one can not let Black establish a bind by playing f5 10...dxe4 11.Nd2 f5 12.b3!) 7.Nbd2 b6 8.Ne5 Bb7 9.Qf3 Qc7 10.Qg3 or (10.h4) ] 6...0-0 7.0-0 Qc7 8.Qe1?! [8.Ne5;
8.Nbd2;
8.Bd3] 8...Bd7!? not the best, better is b6 and then Bb7 fighting for control of e4 9.Ne5 Nc6 10.Nd2 cxd4 11.exd4 Nxe5 12.fxe5 Ne8 here the knight is misplaced Why??? if White was on the ball.. and had his Bishop at d3 the Queen would have started a great attack by going to h4. Back when you should have played b6 and Bb7 the knight could have gone to d7 and then f8 once the rook moved The knight at f8 is a standard defense in positions like this. 13.Bh5?! b5 14.Be2 b4 15.Nf3 white is struggling to come up with a plan. 15...bxc3 16.bxc3 Rc8 17.Bb2?! [17.Bd2] 17...Qb6 [17...f5! 18.exf6 Nxf6 19.Ne5 Bd6 20.Bd3 Bxe5 21.Qxe5 Qxe5 22.dxe5 Ng4! the pawn at e5 is lost! 23.Ba3 Rxf1+ 24.Rxf1 Nxe5] 18.Qd2 Nc7 19.Rab1 Bb5? white missed a chance to win the game 20.Bxb5 Nxb5 21.g3? [21.a4! Nc7 22.Ba3;
21.a4!] 21...Qc6 22.Rbc1 Qc4µ Black has a bind that results in a favorable position if Black can get his knight to the vital square of c45 its game over for white. 23.Kg2 a5 24.Qe3 a4 25.Qd2 a3 26.Ba1 Rb8 27.Rc2 Rfc8 28.Rfc1 Nc7 29.h4 Na8 30.Qf4 Nb6 31.Ng5 Bxg5 32.Qxg5 Qc7 33.Qf4 Nc4!! Game over!!! 34.Kh3 Rb7 35.Kg2 Rcb8 [35...f5 36.exf6 Qxf4 37.gxf4 Ne3+!] 36.Qf2 Rb1 37.Qe1 Rxc1 38.Qxc1 Qb7 39.Kf3 Qb1 40.Ke2 Qxc1 41.Rxc1 Rb7 [41...h5!] 42.Kd3 h5 43.Ke2 g6 44.Kd3 Kf8 45.Ke2 Ke7 46.Kd3 Kf8 [46...f6! 47.exf6+ Kxf6] 47.Ke2 Kg7 48.Kd3 Kh6 49.Rf1 g5 50.hxg5+ Kxg5 51.Rc1 Kg4 and Black wins Line

dumbgai: Easiest way to beat the Blackmar-Diemer: 1. d4 d5 2. e4 e6. I've found that most guys who play the Blackmar-Diemer (at least the lower-rated ones) are one-trick ponies who quickly collapse when forced to play a real opening.

savagerules: I have a recollection from a Kasparov interview after he had quit chess that hinted that he had found a virtual refutation against this opening. It was a kind of bizarre move for Black on move two: 1 d4 d5 2 Bg5 and then something like 2...Qd6 or 2...f6.

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