what Obama is doing is assuming complete power over the us government because they realise that congress has been completely corrupted by corporations.

he is crashing a system whereas usury and inflation have placed the general public in poverty.

this is the change he promised and he is delivering.

it seems to be the ones that are complaining are those that have flourished in this corrupt system.

do I need to go on?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48320831

Not only assuming power over the government, but using the government to assume more power over us, and our economy.

You really drank that kool aid man.

Quoting: *Evan

no I don't drink kool aid. its not even served here in the uk.

but I do see one thing, and the reason I see it is because im not inside your box.

Obama used the care act as a slight of hand to effectively "con" the senate and congress out of any power.

he is doing this for the good of the country.

how can you be complaining all these years that congress is corrupt and now they have lost power you are complaining again!

really its time to get a grip.

any fear tactics should be avoided and not listened to.. its the very corporations that have assumes power and kept you in this quandary that are putting out all this fear disinfo to make you scared of the changes that are occurring.. either that or you are one of the wealthy bastards that are set to lose all your ill gotten gains.

Rush LimbaughThere is no way that we will default on paying our bills unless Obama simply refuses to pay, because we have the money coming in. The service on the debt every month is about $18 billion, and tax revenue changes every month, but on average it's $200 to $225 billion of tax revenue coming in. A lot. We've got more than enough money.

Quoting: Phennommennonn

That is a fact. Obama is a LIAR and is the one who is threatening an economic disaster if Congress doesn't fund Obamacare. He's playing the same petty game with our economy that he used against veterans. All of it is avoidable and unnecessary.

nothing I just see that the tactics being used by the corporations against Obama have skewed your perception of what is really occurring and put you in a state of fear for what good change he is bringing to your country.

or do you suddenly believe your media outlets now?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48320831

This table lists the top donors to this candidate [Barack Obama] in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

Republican Congressman Louie Gohmert of Texas, the highest ranking member of the House Committee of Bat&h!t Wingnuttery, proposes a solution for dealing with the threat of government default: When asked whether he would allow the government to default on its debt, Gohmert projected the responsibility for such circumstances onto Obama. "No," he said, "that would be an impeachable offense by the president." [link to politomix.com]

*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Alan Isaacman The People Vs Larry Flynt"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

thats why hes making sandwiches.......hes gonna hafta get used to eating potted meat after hes impeached

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Queen Of Mean / VENOMmennonn

*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Alan Isaacman The People Vs Larry Flynt"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

Not only assuming power over the government, but using the government to assume more power over us, and our economy.

You really drank that kool aid man.

Quoting: *Evan

no I don't drink kool aid. its not even served here in the uk.

but I do see one thing, and the reason I see it is because im not inside your box.

Obama used the care act as a slight of hand to effectively "con" the senate and congress out of any power.

he is doing this for the good of the country.

how can you be complaining all these years that congress is corrupt and now they have lost power you are complaining again!

really its time to get a grip.

any fear tactics should be avoided and not listened to.. its the very corporations that have assumes power and kept you in this quandary that are putting out all this fear disinfo to make you scared of the changes that are occurring.. either that or you are one of the wealthy bastards that are set to lose all your ill gotten gains.

Obama will be victorious it has been planned for a long time now.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48320831

Congress having a say is part of the checks and balances. To prevent us from having a dictator bud.

Plus, Obamcare is just another power grab. Giving the government control of our healthcare. It is going to be enforced by the IRS! Are you kidding, the IRS? The worst most hated part of government just tripled in size and in the amount of power they have.

There would be less corruption if the government was small. If the government is huge, in every aspect of our lives, then when someone/corporation buys the elected officials, they have power over all parts of our lives that the government does.

If the government is at it's constitutional size, then buying elected officials wouldn't give them power over every aspect of our lives.

Quoting: *Evan

so how do you fail to see that he has nullified the corrupt corporations who have been running the country until the shutdown?

your whole fear is that he will use his supreme power to do bad.. and that has yet to be realised.

have faith in your president for once.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48320831

My God man, just stop. You don't have a clue. Are corporate influences often negative? Sure. Is Obama the savior of the people, completely in control of all that is happening as a result of his almighty willpower? Hell freaking NO. You are suffering from a severe case of cognitive bias. The last post above about size of govt is correct. The system is designed with checks and balances that Obama is pissing all over, accomplishing nothing but getting his shoes smelly and wet. Corporations have been nullified? wtf are you talking about? I can't waste any more time on you.

The scary thing for me is that I'm afraid that Obama couldn't be impeached for whatever reason....ties to certain factions within the government or whatever reason. I'm afraid we might be with this bastard until his term is over, if it's ever over.

thats why hes making sandwiches.......hes gonna hafta get used to eating potted meat after hes impeached

Quoting: Phennommennonn

Hope Michelle doesn't eat it all....

Quoting: PumpkinReaper

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Queen Of Mean / VENOMmennonn

*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Alan Isaacman The People Vs Larry Flynt"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

Let the government default. The moment the criminals allow their treasonous act to go through we get our governors to take it a step further.

We have our states leave the Union and leave those still wanting to serve the traitors holding the bag.

Drastic? Yes. But that was our fault the moment we let this situation get out of hand. Now we are faced with making decisions that can most likely lead to bloodshed.

The way I see secession is this. Once a state leaves the Union it no longer becomes burdened by the banker influence. Many states are as large as some European nations and have the resources needed to sustain themselves by self reliance or by trade.

This process takes the political polarization by the criminals and patriots and defines it by geographical borders, creating definitive havens for patriots to relocate to avoid the tyrannical government. The shift of the workers throws the balance of the government off, leaving them with the feeders still clinging to the welfare state. This imbalance shifts the weight off the patriots and onto the criminals and their voter parasites who are the antithesis of a stable society.

Military conflict becomes difficult to conduct even under martial law definitions. States claiming autonomy from the federal government become politically independent, making martial law an act of war. The sudden shift in U.S. borders leaves the military fractured on support, many enlisted are already opposed to administrative decisions. The call to martial law becomes a damaging move that either leaves the federal government a fraction of their physical power or the best case scenario a military completely uncooperative to turning on friends and family.

It would be violent regardless of how it is approached. Non violent succession is best as it not only leaves the federal government holding the bag, but unable to demonize the states as to muster military action against them. Riots would happen, crime would go up, the economy will hurt but we are at the point of no return.

A non violent fracturing of federal power by succession is the safest way to disarm the criminal government. If we follow up with an Icelandic financial revolution we can then remove the threat and move the states back into a restructured constitutional republic with the U.S. Constitution.

To be honest, I only see succession taking away federal power and it will most likely happen if the U.S. defaults.

Quoting: StellaViator

The only things that worry me about this theory are that it leaves all ripe for foreign invasion and it leaves poor, disabled and immobile believers in freedom that live in other states to fend for themselves. They are that way because they would not sell out, pissed the wrong people off or worked their body to the bone for a good ol boy system that used them up then spit them out. Sorry but you don't leave your injured behind.

He has proven he will stand against the establishment of his party based upon principle

Quoting: *Evan

yeah and that is something

Quoting: Mr Oysterhead

At the same time, I get your point.

Quoting: *Evan

Just curious how many of you out there really believe this government shutdown and impending default Is about partisan ideology.

Is this really Republicans against Democrats? How many believe this is all an act and that each side is just playing their part and fooling all of us?

I just can't believe these things that are happening are byproducts of typical political process. This is a plan being executed. Do you believe this? If you do then bashing Democrats or Republicans is exactly what they are wanting.

It is time to see this as us against government not us against the part of government we feel is wrong and all of the citizens who support them. That is classic divide and conquer tactics. We can't let them separate us.

We have to let go of our ideological differences and stand together in spite of them. Let's get back to arguing about that shit later. Right now the corruption of our government, the extraction of our money and freedom and the potential collapse of this great Nation has to be first priority.

Republican Congressman Louie Gohmert of Texas, the highest ranking member of the House Committee of Bat&h!t Wingnuttery, proposes a solution for dealing with the threat of government default: When asked whether he would allow the government to default on its debt, Gohmert projected the responsibility for such circumstances onto Obama. "No," he said, "that would be an impeachable offense by the president." [link to politomix.com]

He has proven he will stand against the establishment of his party based upon principle

Quoting: *Evan

yeah and that is something

Quoting: Mr Oysterhead

At the same time, I get your point.

Quoting: *Evan

Just curious how many of you out there really believe this government shutdown and impending default Is about partisan ideology.

Is this really Republicans against Democrats? How many believe this is all an act and that each side is just playing their part and fooling all of us?

I just can't believe these things that are happening are byproducts of typical political process. This is a plan being executed. Do you believe this? If you do then bashing Democrats or Republicans is exactly what they are wanting.

It is time to see this as us against government not us against the part of government we feel is wrong and all of the citizens who support them. That is classic divide and conquer tactics. We can't let them separate us.

We have to let go of our ideological differences and stand together in spite of them. Let's get back to arguing about that shit later. Right now the corruption of our government, the extraction of our money and freedom and the potential collapse of this great Nation has to be first priority.

If we do not stand together we will fall together.

The left-hand and the right-hand both belong to one asshole.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40240696

I know what you mean....

I agree that when it comes to Democrat vs Establishment RINO Republicans, there isn't much difference. Not really any difference when it comes to important things like monetary policy, war, size of government etc.

But, I do believe there are two seperate ideologies at war. There is the collectivist/NWO/redistribution side, and the Individual freedom, Sovereignty, Small government side.

The world has ALWAYS had faaar more of the collectivist minded people in it, but the most prosperous and free nation ever was built on individuality, small government, and hard work with the potential to make life what you want of it. The power of the individual..

The idea of a new world order, and a global government is a collectivists/socialists/statists wet dream.