Nice scouting work.That's a small sample size on the lefties and probably reflects facts like the Reds still keep the likes of lefties like Griffey and Dunn in the lineup against most lefties. I'd platoon out Womack and Hatteberg against all lefties, as well.

flyer85

04-05-2006, 10:49 AM

That's a small sample size on the lefties and probably reflects facts like the Reds still keep the likes of lefties like Griffey and Dunn in the lineup against most lefties. I'd platoon out Womack and Hatteberg against all lefties, as well.probably a good idea. IIRC, Rusch is one of those fastball/change LH pitchers. His breaking ball is average at best.

PuffyPig

04-05-2006, 11:01 AM

That's a small sample size on the lefties and probably reflects facts like the Reds still keep the likes of lefties like Griffey and Dunn in the lineup against most lefties. I'd platoon out Womack and Hatteberg against all lefties, as well.

Also, that's only one side of the equation. Neither Womack nor hattenberg are particularly good against LH pitchers. The fact that this lefty wasn't that great against LH hitters last seaon doen't mean that Hattenberg will suddenly figure it out. The more likely scenario is that those LH hitters which don't have problems against LH pitching will do even better.

But thats not what we'll ever get.Well...:doh: Having Dunn at 1st dooms this lineup in JN's eyes...

traderumor

04-05-2006, 11:19 AM

Also, that's only one side of the equation. Neither Womack nor hattenberg are particularly good against LH pitchers. The fact that this lefty wasn't that great against LH hitters last seaon doen't mean that Hattenberg will suddenly figure it out. The more likely scenario is that those LH hitters which don't have problems against LH pitching will do even better.
Agreed. I didn't feel like looking up the stats, so I left that part out :redface:

Yeah, someone needs to tell Narron it needs to be the good hitter, bad hitter thing.

Red Leader

04-05-2006, 11:38 AM

I'm shocked Edwin's in there after his horrible opening day;)

I would have thought Jerry or Wayne would have benched him for good. :rolleyes: ;)

pedro

04-05-2006, 11:39 AM

It's really no big deal.

Jaycint

04-05-2006, 11:40 AM

It's really no big deal.

You convinced me. :)

M2

04-05-2006, 11:41 AM

This should be an interesting game. The Reds have had problems with soft-tossing lefting for just about forever. Meanwhile, if Arroyo can keep Pierre and Walker off the bases, the rest of the lineup is awfully right-handed. It should be a good matchup for Bronson.

redsfan30

04-05-2006, 11:41 AM

He was dropped one spot folks, big freakin' deal.

KearnsyEars

04-05-2006, 11:41 AM

Real nice. Drop Dunn in the order for Aurilia.

Jerry, I've given up any hope for you.

I don't like it but if it's any conselation (sp.), I occasionally hit Aurilia 4th, and Dunn is 3rd (With Jr. 5th) on MLB 2006 the Show when Kearns needs a day off.

Oh ok, thats a video game I forgot. :thumbdown

RedsManRick

04-05-2006, 11:45 AM

3 year splits versus lefties:

Dunn (487 AB): .220/.339/.462
Aurilia (373 AB): .268/.340/.458

and for good measure..

Griffey (336 AB) .247/.337/.494

I'm now slightly less mad than I was 30 seconds ago. That said, Encarnacion hit .246/.338/.477 in 65 AB last year. I could complain, but given the real effect (or essential lack thereof) of batting order and the balance in performance, I'll give narron a pass.

M2

04-05-2006, 11:50 AM

As far as matching up against Rusch goes, I don't think Dunn 4th or 5th makes much difference. The downside of hitting Dunn 5th is that later in the game when the Cubs come back with a RH reliever (and they will), he's not in place to do maximum damage.

Red Leader

04-05-2006, 11:53 AM

Just throwing this out there, but Rich Aurilia is 1-8 in his career against Rusch, with his one hit being a single.

Maybe he's due :dunno:

Johnny Footstool

04-05-2006, 11:55 AM

The problem is that the Reds' best OB machine is hitting 5th behind arguably the Reds' worst OB disaster.

cumberlandreds

04-05-2006, 11:55 AM

Where's Valentin? Is he too tired to play from Mondays game?:help:

traderumor

04-05-2006, 11:57 AM

This should be an interesting game. The Reds have had problems with soft-tossing lefting for just about forever. Meanwhile, if Arroyo can keep Pierre and Walker off the bases, the rest of the lineup is awfully right-handed. It should be a good matchup for Bronson.
From the looks of the hits Walker got on Monday, he'd be better served to take a pole cue than a bat to the plate today.

NatiRedGals

04-05-2006, 11:59 AM

Ya im very surpsied ross in the lineup i mean great for him but wow! :)

Puffy

04-05-2006, 11:59 AM

Where's Valentin? Is he too tired to play from Mondays game?:help:

Valentin doesn't hit lefties well - at all.

Red Leader

04-05-2006, 12:00 PM

Where's Valentin? Is he too tired to play from Mondays game?:help:

He doesn't hit as well from the right side, or at least as good as Ross, apparently.

In all seriousness, most managers try to work their subs in more in the first couple weeks than later in the season. I don't have a problem with Aurilia, Freel and Ross playing vs a LHP, or even playing in general, and I don't have a problem with Aurilia batting 4th. It's not like it kills the Reds and now they have no shot at winning, but I was sincerely hoping that Dunn would bat no lower than 4th this year. I'd actually like to see Dunn bat 3rd, and Griffey cleanup with Encarncaion 2nd, but that probably won't happen either.

RedsManRick

04-05-2006, 12:03 PM

The problem is that the Reds' best OB machine is hitting 5th behind arguably the Reds' worst OB disaster.

No recognition of the 3 year splits Johnny? Aurilia actually has a higher OBP than Dunner against lefties the last 3 years...

Red Leader

04-05-2006, 12:06 PM

No recognition of the 3 year splits Johnny? Aurilia actually has a higher OBP than Dunner against lefties the last 3 years...

By .001 of a point. Dunn leads in SLG% by .004.

westofyou

04-05-2006, 12:10 PM

I'm still steamed that Rose is back in LF and Chaney is at 3rd, PLUS Driessen in RIGHT????? And batting before Perez????

Which one of you kind people will do PBP for us prisoners of the cubicle? (If someone does PBP, will you include periodic score updates?)

I would be most grateful. :)

Kc61

04-05-2006, 12:14 PM

You have to think Reds are hitting Kearns lower in lineup for a reason. They must think it will help jump start his bat if he stays out of the pressure hitting slots. Some guys overswing if they are hitting fourth or fifth.

Otherwise, he would be the logical cleanup hitter in this lineup, "breaking up" Griffey and Dunn.

Chip R

04-05-2006, 12:17 PM

You have to think Reds are hitting Kearns lower in lineup for a reason. They must think it will help jump start his bat if he stays out of the pressure hitting slots. Some guys overswing if they are hitting fourth or fifth.

Otherwise, he would be the logical cleanup hitter in this lineup, "breaking up" Griffey and Dunn.

That makes sense.

RedsMan3203

04-05-2006, 12:17 PM

I can do PBP for awhile... Don't know how long thou.... I'm in class right now.

Johnny Footstool

04-05-2006, 12:20 PM

No recognition of the 3 year splits Johnny? Aurilia actually has a higher OBP than Dunner against lefties the last 3 years...

Where did you pull that from? Is there a site that has every boxscore recorded from every game ever played?

NJReds

04-05-2006, 12:28 PM

How's the weather today in Cincy. We got some snow in northern NJ today...:help:

Red Leader

04-05-2006, 12:29 PM

www.retrosheet.org.

Falls City Beer

04-05-2006, 12:29 PM

I'm SOOO not worried about the offense or the batting order.

What I want to see: Arroyo not get frustrated like Harang and throw a meatball if he doesn't get the call he likes. I don't normally espouse it, but I actually don't mind walking a Cub or two in this lineup because someone is going to swing away at a pitcher's pitch and ground into a DP. Don't give in to these guys--they kill meatballs.

steig

04-05-2006, 12:29 PM

50's and sunny in Dayton, OH

cumberlandreds

04-05-2006, 12:30 PM

Where did you pull that from? Is there a site that has every boxscore recorded from every game ever played?

I'm sure he got it from retrosheet.org. It has all box scores back to the 60's and many for years before. It's a really great website! BTW I think the Reds should waive that Vukovich fellow and move Rose to third. It might just work.;)

RedsMan3203

04-05-2006, 12:33 PM

Okay Ladies and Gentlemen Start your web browers… The game is about to start.

flynn78

04-05-2006, 12:33 PM

Are you kidding me? I think I am getting blacked out today in Dayton.

NatiRedGals

04-05-2006, 12:33 PM

Espn just got on ! Fine weather here

GridironGrace

04-05-2006, 12:33 PM

Aurilla Playing 1B today?

I figured with the Trouble Dunn had in LF monday that he'd Goto 1B today.

2B Freel
SS Lopez
CF JR
1B Aurilla
LF Dunn
3B Edwin
RF Kearns
C Ross

Man wierd Lineup today.

Reds-aholic

04-05-2006, 12:35 PM

And right on Q the stream from wkki has stopped working!!

GridironGrace

04-05-2006, 12:35 PM

Ah well im just glad i get to watch this game on espn :)

OnBaseMachine

04-05-2006, 12:36 PM

Dunn career vs Rusch:

7 for 21 with 4 homeruns. I'm glad Narron dropped Dunn down. Probably should have batted him eighth or ninth.

fsp382

04-05-2006, 12:36 PM

Is this game getting blacked out? Im getting ESPB news right now.

NatiRedGals

04-05-2006, 12:36 PM

Here we go first pitch in about 1 min! :)

NatiRedGals

04-05-2006, 12:36 PM

Strike on! :)

RedsMan3203

04-05-2006, 12:36 PM

1ST Pitch strike!

flynn78

04-05-2006, 12:37 PM

Time Warner Dayton blacked out today for a Businessman's Special. Good idea MLB!

Me either, but if OBP and SLG are both equal and fixed, I'll take the guy with the significantly higher batting average. The real point however is that the order of those two is virtually irrelevent b/c neither has proven himself clearly superior. To me, the only real argument is to bat Dunn higher because in the event a righty comes in to relieve, he IS clearly the better batter in that circumstance.

Caveat Emperor

04-05-2006, 12:46 PM

I reminded of an old WOY statement: "Being a fan of this team is like being mugged by a mime"

Oh well -- the one positive thing about having awful pitching and great hitting (as opposed to great pitching and awful hitting) is that you really never can count them out of a game, no matter the score.

Falls City Beer

04-05-2006, 12:46 PM

Can anyone explain why on earth you'd give Ramirez anything at all near the zone with two strikes? He chases more balls than Jm J. Bullock.

flyer85

04-05-2006, 12:46 PM

That guy just kills us.that could be said of most Cubs

cumberlandreds

04-05-2006, 12:46 PM

Hey look on the bright side. We only gave up two runs in the first today.:rolleyes:

registerthis

04-05-2006, 12:46 PM

This Sierra Mist "free" and "it's a buck" commercial is insulting to what little intelligence I have. I feel dumber having listened to it.

flynn78

04-05-2006, 12:47 PM

No gloom and doom from me. I just want once for the Reds to wait a few innings before the 2-run homer off of the new pitcher. I'm a bit frustrated by the blackout of the game in Dayton as well.

SteelSD

04-05-2006, 12:47 PM

I wonder if MLB would just let the Reds begin each game down by 2 Runs so we could skip the opponent's half of the first Inning.

If nothing else, it'd save on pitch counts...

blumj

04-05-2006, 12:47 PM

Just a hanger, it happens. He's locating the fastball well today, though.

Chip R

04-05-2006, 12:48 PM

that could be said of most Cubs

Yeah, but he was like that when he was with PIT.

NatiRedGals

04-05-2006, 12:48 PM

Freel double!!!!!!!!!!!!

Red Leader

04-05-2006, 12:48 PM

Freel at the plate to lead off for the Reds...

and doubles.

Caveat Emperor

04-05-2006, 12:48 PM

guys dont you notice almost every starter so far has gotten killed think about andy pettite last night ouch ! and its only 2 runs smile guys come on !

Is Espn only showing the game certain places? Not getting it and thought it would be on.

Caveat Emperor

04-05-2006, 12:56 PM

I hate popouts more than anything in the universe.

Popouts don't hurt your team, they hurt your feelings... :evil:

M2

04-05-2006, 12:57 PM

Beats the unassisted DP to the third baseman.

Nah, that's over before you know it. Plus, you probably stroked the ball pretty well.

With a pop, you have to live with the inevitability of you being out and how useless your AB was before the out is recorded. It gives you time (too much time in fact) to reflect on the situation and feel sick to your stomach about it.

Popouts don't hurt your team, they hurt your feelings...

Exactly.

Puffy

04-05-2006, 12:58 PM

Plus, you probably stroked the ball pretty well.

Dang, two Jm J. Bullock jokes in one game thread! Awesome.

Falls City Beer

04-05-2006, 12:58 PM

Nah, that's over before you know it. Plus, you probably stroked the ball pretty well.

With a pop, you have to live with the inevitability of you being out and how useless your AB was before the out is recorded. It gives you time (too much time in fact) to reflect on the situation and feel sick to your stomach about it.

Which is why they should allow the batter in that situation to tackle the fielder (if he can) before the fielder catches it. And is thus awarded the nearest base. Awesome.

flynn78

04-05-2006, 12:58 PM

Hal McCoy and Marty in booth for top of the 2nd. Gloom and Doom from these two.

NatiRedGals

04-05-2006, 12:58 PM

Strikeout #1!

RedsMan3203

04-05-2006, 12:59 PM

Barrett up... Strikes Out after a 8 pitch atbat.

Red Leader

04-05-2006, 12:59 PM

Barrett K's to start the inning for the Cubs.

NatiRedGals

04-05-2006, 12:59 PM

2 away!

RedsMan3203

04-05-2006, 12:59 PM

Murton grounds out to Lopez.

pedro

04-05-2006, 12:59 PM

I hate popouts more than anything in the universe.

me? I hate Pops.

Red Leader

04-05-2006, 12:59 PM

Matt Murton up to the plate. 1 out, none on.

and he grounds out.

Cedeno up, 2 out, none on.

NatiRedGals

04-05-2006, 12:59 PM

2 out single

M2

04-05-2006, 01:00 PM

I like how Arroyo kept going after Barrett, once he had the guy on the hook.

RedsMan3203

04-05-2006, 01:00 PM

Cedeno singles softly to center.

1 on, 2 outs.

NatiRedGals

04-05-2006, 01:00 PM

hahah Rusch wow !

Red Leader

04-05-2006, 01:00 PM

Single for Cedeno brings Rusch up. 2 out, runner on 1st.

SteelSD

04-05-2006, 01:01 PM

Hal McCoy and Marty in booth for top of the 2nd. Gloom and Doom from these two.

The unintelligible paired with the unaware.

That's got certain train wreck potential.

NatiRedGals

04-05-2006, 01:01 PM

Strikeout #2! :):) 3 outs here comes the Red Machine!

LincolnparkRed

04-05-2006, 01:02 PM

Time to get the bats going. It would be nice to have a lead at some point during 2006.:thumbdown

M2

04-05-2006, 01:02 PM

me? I hate Pops.

You're not ready to race yet Speed. A car is a precision instrument and you're not capable of controlling it at your young age. I said the same thing to your brother Rex, but he didn't listen to me and he nearly killed himself.