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Re: It isn't Racist to...

Originally Posted by evensaul

It isn't racist to demand a secure border, allowing entry only to those legally authorized to enter.

It is when you only speak about one section of an enormous border that happens to border a brown people country. Then shown an immigrant caravan interspersed with non-related people jumping over the wall.

Re: It isn't Racist to...

It isn't racist to demand a secure border, allowing entry only to those legally authorized to enter.

True, but it is if your argument is that they are inherently bad people, rapists, murderers, etc... only when they aren't whites.

It isn't racist to prohibit immigration to the US by Muslims, because Islam is not a race.

True, it is religious bigotry instead.

It isn't racist to want to preserve western culture, because culture is not race specific.

It is if you consider western culture to be white culture as many who want to "preserve western culture" do. When prohibitions against race mixing and birth rates are part of the way you preserve it, then it's racist.

It isn't racist to want to associate only with others of the same religion and culture.

Again, that's cultural or religious bigotry. Its just as bad as carcism really.

It isn't racist to require voters to show proof of identity and eligibility to vote.

Unless you are using it to specifically target minorities. Then it's racist. Otherwise, no.

It isn't racist to identify a criminal's citizenship status or race along with other identifiers such as name, sex, age, and address.

Re: It isn't Racist to...

The two of you conflate racism and discrimination, which has been a favorite tactic of the Left over the past few years. Discrimination is not inherently racist. They are not the same.

Do a google search on Racism Definition, and this is the first result:

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
"a program to combat racism"
synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
"Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
noun: racism
"theories of racism"

Note that discrimination is only racism if it is based on the belief that one's own race is superior or others inferior.

If you look around for other sources you may find a bogus definition that makes all racial discrimination equal to racism, because the Left has worked very hard to paint any discrimination it doesn't like as racism. This social and political propaganda has worked with the uneducated, illiterate, ignorant and feeble-minded masses. But it isn't going to fly in this thread.

Furthermore, you imply that each of the positions I stated in the op are inherently discriminatory. They are not. They are based on principles applied where needed, such as security concerns on the southern border. It is not discriminatory to address border security issues where they exist, and not take action on parts of the border that do not have large numbers of illegal crossings. If there is no problem with illegal entry on the northern border, it is not racially discriminatory to increase security on the southern border where there are obvious problems.

Re: It isn't Racist to...

Originally Posted by COWBOY

How do we tell? Is there another reason you don't want black people to vote?

That is a red-herring and a straw-man.
No one said they don't want black people to vote.
What was forwarded is that it isn't racist to require and ID to vote, because requiring and ID is not racist.
Just like requiring and ID to purchase Alcohol is not a racist attack on Black people.

Re: It isn't Racist to...

It isn't racist to demand a secure border, allowing entry only to those legally authorized to enter.

It isn't racist to prohibit immigration to the US by Muslims, because Islam is not a race.

It isn't racist to want to preserve western culture, because culture is not race specific.

It isn't racist to want to associate only with others of the same religion and culture.

It isn't racist to require voters to show proof of identity and eligibility to vote.

It isn't racist to identify a criminal's citizenship status or race along with other identifiers such as name, sex, age, and address.

Indeed. Leftist like to use that term as a club to silence opposition because, generally, they arent capable of arguing their positions logically. ( due to their positions not being logical to begin with). We have to reject their attacks, as you are doing, and continue the course of allowing logic and reason to guide our actions.

I will no longer be replying to any post from a Liberal going forward. I will continue, as normal, to discuss topics and engage in intellectual exchanges with non-leftist

Indeed. Leftist like to use that term as a club to silence opposition because, generally, they arent capable of arguing their positions logically. ( due to their positions not being logical to begin with). We have to reject their attacks, as you are doing, and continue the course of allowing logic and reason to guide our actions.

Re: It isn't Racist to...

Originally Posted by BELTHAZOR

In what ways are minorities prevented from acquiring a valid ID?

My local DMV requires a blood test, apparently they are on that "One Drop" standard.
It's a bit strict, having a black relative 10 generations ago disqualifies you.
But you know that racist south... they so funny like that.

Re: It isn't Racist to...

@ cowboy.. you are free to quote a congressman or senator that has said they are seeking to keep blacks from voting.
But yea.. I am sure.

The current socially acceptable way to disenfranchise voters is through gerrymandering. Which is a problem for both parties and other than laying a square grid on a map.. I have no clue how to personally solve.

Re: It isn't Racist to...

Originally Posted by evensaul

Not all cultures and religions are created equal. Some are decidedly inferior and dangerous, so intolerance toward them is warranted.

That's what all bigots will tell you, that its because they are right, they really are superior to other people and thus those people aren't as deserving of rights and privileges as they are. That is exactly what Hitler said to justify exterminating the Jews, and exactly what the white plantation owners said to justify owning black people. So you "excuse" is really just an admission that you are a biggot.

Re: It isn't Racist to...

Sig, you're an intelligent and thoughtful guy. Really. But that is probably the worst post you've ever made on ODN.

First, you conflate culture with individuals. They are not the same. One can respect the equality of every man, but recognize that the cultures they live in are unequal. Some cultures are clearly inferior to others.

Second, you're trying to argue that the labeling of any culture as inferior is unacceptable by pointing to a historical culture you abhor! The culture Hitler created in the Third Reich, as you pointed out, is not equal to other cultures: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...reich-overview

Third, you are engaging in a culture war right here, with your post, taking a position deep in the heart of PC modern culture against my position in support of a cultural view that you oppose.

Re: It isn't Racist to...

@ cowboy.. not moving goal posts the context is about Mai stream political movements. Like those calling for voter ID's. Find one of them and you may have a point. Just finding some backwater nobody doesn't support your point.

Also. Did we just agree on gerrymandering? Because of all the political dirty tricks I hate that one like.. top 3. It perverts the process so that the elected choose who they want to represent. When our system really is intended to be the other way. I also think it leads to these kinda life long appointments. Which is really dangerous to the people.

A number of election laws have effects on people’s ability to participate in elections. That played out this last week when the Supreme Court approved voter identification laws in North Dakota, requiring a street address, not a P.O. box, be displayed on a voter’s ID. But tribal IDs don’t always include addresses, and many tribal citizens, who may live in remote areas with no mail service or have impermanent living situations, use P.O. boxes instead of permanent addresses."

@ cowboy.. not moving goal posts the context is about Mai stream political movements. Like those calling for voter ID's. Find one of them and you may have a point. Just finding some backwater nobody doesn't support your point.

My response thus far is complete. If you'd like to move on to tricksy means "main stream political movements" use to disenfranchise people without coming straight out and saying "I don't like colored people" see my response to Belthazor. The proof is in the pudding.