NSA has access to internal Google and Yahoo networks

Its and endless story as new documentsreveal more NSA snoops on the Internet. The Washington Post writes the agency operates a program called MUSCULAR, which reportedly copies "entire data flows across fiber-optic cables that carry information between the data centers of the Silicon Valley giants." Google claims they continue to expand encryption across their services to prevent this, but considering the NSA spends a quarter billion dollars a year to beat encryption this is a fight that can hardly be won.

ew document leak reveals yet more information about how the NSA snoops on the Internet. The Washington Post writes the agency operates a program called MUSCULAR, which reportedly copies "entire data flows across fiber-optic cables that carry information between the data centers of the Silicon Valley giants."

Google claims they continue to expand encryption across their services to prevent this, but considering the NSA spends a quarter billion dollars a year to beat encryption this is a fight that can hardly be won.It's worth checking out the Washington Post story just to see the diagram of the "Google Cloud Exploitation." The image looks like it was scrawled on the back of a Post-it note, and there's a cute little smiley next to the "SSL added and removed here" note pointing to the "Google front end server" linking the search giant's internal cloud to the Internet at large. According to the article, "two engineers with close ties to Google exploded in profanity when they saw the drawing." An official statement from Google legal officer David Drummond is more restrained:

We have long been concerned about the possibility of this kind of snooping, which is why we have continued to extend encryption across more and more Google services and links, especially the links in the slide. We do not provide any government, including the U.S. government, with access to our systems. We are outraged at the lengths to which the government seems to have gone to intercept data from our private fiber networks, and it underscores the need for urgent reform.

#4690149 Posted on: 11/01/2013 11:20 AM
Well they are spying on everything, people at home and governments. Their main motives are 911. heard the boss just say it on TV.

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#4690160 Posted on: 11/01/2013 11:29 AM

Well they are spying on everything, people at home and governments. Their main motives are 911. heard the boss just say it on TV.

Who? The Illusive Man?

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#4690224 Posted on: 11/01/2013 12:44 PM
**** this NSA organisation to hell. What gives this ****ing US organisation the RIGHT to snoop on the rest of the planet? Big brother and its like ALWAYS has an excuse for being above the law. Similar to the gestapos excuse or their russian equivalent years ago - the excuse of terrorism and national security. They can snoop on all Americans who gave them the power all they want but nobody in the rest of the world wants ANYTHING to do with these mother****ers.

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#4690433 Posted on: 11/01/2013 04:28 PM
/a bit off topic

When a kid is raped, killed, lost, or those happens to a human being either friend, family, relative, or your kid is talking to an online predator or something, when it happens to us we wish we could have done something to prevent it. Anything.

E.g given my kid gets lost in the mall or even worse, TAKEN. I would give ANYTHING to had a tracking device on it or something. A watch, a phone, a chip(too scifi?). Anything.

Or a teenager gets lost/abducted or about to be raped and doesn't answer calls, and the police manages to track down the teenager just before something happens.

Does it really have to happen to someone before people know it feels and take precautions and wish for a better/safer or at least a bit more controlled world?

I'm not talking iRobot or Demolition Man like control, but something better/safer at least.

I get way to worked up over this things. I hope you get my point. I meant it in a good way.

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#4690437 Posted on: 11/01/2013 04:32 PM

**** this NSA organisation to hell. What gives this ****ing US organisation the RIGHT to snoop on the rest of the planet? Big brother and its like ALWAYS has an excuse for being above the law. Similar to the gestapos excuse or their russian equivalent years ago - the excuse of terrorism and national security. They can snoop on all Americans who gave them the power all they want but nobody in the rest of the world wants ANYTHING to do with these mother****ers.

You could always hide in a bunker? Who cares? Really I mean it makes no difference to your life at all. Unless you plan on doing bad things to counties, then you should be very worried.

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#4690450 Posted on: 11/01/2013 04:41 PM

You could always hide in a bunker? Who cares? Really I mean it makes no difference to your life at all. Unless you plan on doing bad things to counties, then you should be very worried.

EXACTLY. It affects no one's everydays life's. Not in the SLIGHTEST. If 60 years passed from now and people didn't know that they were doing it, it wouldn't affect their lives at ALL.

I dont support them ofcourse but if good things can come out of it, then be my guest. E.g like prevent a bombing, attack, killed, murder or something.

Do people really want a 911 again? A bombing, a mass killing? There will always be very bad people trying to do very bad things. They were always around and they will be around for quite a while. It's in the human nature unfortunately.

People should just concentrate on their lives and family or work or whatever and how to improve them, being happier/better humans being, concentrate on this planet/environment and how to make this place a little better first and then the rest.

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#4690465 Posted on: 11/01/2013 04:55 PM
EXACTLY. It affects no one's everydays life's. Not in the SLIGHTEST. If 60 years passed from now and people didn't know that they were doing it, it wouldn't affect their lives at ALL.

I dont support them ofcourse but if good things can come out of it, then be my guest. E.g like prevent a bombing, attack, killed, murder or something.

Do people really want a 911 again? A bombing, a mass killing? There will always be very bad people trying to do very bad things. They were always around and they will be around for quite a while. It's in the human nature unfortunately.

People should just concentrate on their lives and family or work or whatever and how to improve them, being happier/better humans being, concentrate on this planet/environment and how to make this place a little better first and then the rest.

People should be more scared of how easy it is to spy on anyone via Facebook, yet I see no one complaining about it.

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#4690533 Posted on: 11/01/2013 06:30 PM
The most effective pwn is one who does not know they stand on a chessboard.

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#4690543 Posted on: 11/01/2013 06:39 PM

The most effective pwn is one who does not know they stand on a chessboard.

Or the 'enlightened' pwn knows he is used as a puppet but doesn't care.

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#4690544 Posted on: 11/01/2013 06:41 PM
/a bit off topic

When a kid is raped, killed, lost, or those happens to a human being either friend, family, relative, or your kid is talking to an online predator or something, when it happens to us we wish we could have done something to prevent it. Anything.

E.g given my kid gets lost in the mall or even worse, TAKEN. I would give ANYTHING to had a tracking device on it or something. A watch, a phone, a chip(too scifi?). Anything.

Or a teenager gets lost/abducted or about to be raped and doesn't answer calls, and the police manages to track down the teenager just before something happens.

Does it really have to happen to someone before people know it feels and take precautions and wish for a better/safer or at least a bit more controlled world?

I'm not talking iRobot or Demolition Man control, but something better/safer at least.

I get way to worked up over this things. I hope you get my point. I meant it in a good way.

you can't prevent everything. it's called reality and it hurts, is cruel and not covered in bubblewrap.

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#4690552 Posted on: 11/01/2013 06:45 PM
all it takes is expense, great company with checks included then you're off the hook.

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#4690565 Posted on: 11/01/2013 06:57 PM
Information = power. Anyone who thinks this is harmless and won't be abused is a bit naive. I'm not a conspiracy believer by any means, but I think it's pretty clear the Western World is letting its rights slip away one at a time, piece by piece and setting themselves up for something quite terrifying.

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#4690567 Posted on: 11/01/2013 07:02 PM

Information = power. Anyone who thinks this is harmless and won't be abused is a bit naive. I'm not a conspiracy believer by any means, but I think it's pretty clear the Western World is letting its rights slip away one at a time, piece by piece and setting themselves up for something quite terrifying.

If you really started thinking about it, you would start to become scared. Why do we get paid so much money? Just what do we spend the money on? Why technology of course! Slowly we are becoming machines.

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#4690569 Posted on: 11/01/2013 07:09 PM
they said it is for a better security, then why they never use it in case of child missing?...

you said that if you have nothing to hide you doesn't have to be worried... then imagine that most people in the world have oposite interest than the USA... are we criminal if we don't have the same vision of the world?