Martin Luther wrote:The invocation of saints is also one of the abuses of Antichrist conflicting with the chief article, and destroys the knowledge of Christ. Neither is it commanded nor counseled, nor has it any example [or testimony] in Scripture, and even though it were a precious thing, as it is not [while, on the contrary, it is a most harmful thing], in Christ we have everything a thousandfold better [and surer, so that we are not in need of calling upon the saints].

Neil creeds can be handy, but has been pointed out by others they hardly perfect, and if you have the bible you don't need them, Gil Rugh had a rather long explanation of the Apostles Creed at, Apostles' Creed,(not the title of the sermon) creeds and other church rituals sometimes are little more than mantras.

Michael is now doing mission work in S. Korea - his parents were missionaries in Scotland and Mike grew up there.....hence the nickname (which his brother David was also given later at BJU). Needless to say it was the accent and not the name which earned the "Scotty" title (and they lived in the Lowlands).

Br. Stephen Hamilton: While attending BJU in the 1980s; I ran into many faithful FPs at BJU: one in particular was from Scotland whose name is Mike Ventrello (Scotty).

I must needs say that some of The Brethren believe in a Combination of Both: That THE FUTURE Anti-Christ will "Come" or be "Revealed" in The Black-Pope/"Jesuit"-General-Dynasty (White-Pope = False-Prophet) as taught by former "Jesuit" priest Alberto Rivera-Romero !

Many former Roman-"Catholics" who I know (now Authorized Biblical Literalist Saints) and discuss prophecy with (particularly The Book of Daniel & Revelation) about Mystery Babylon, The Scarlet&Purple Woman, Roman "Catholicism", The Papacy, THE Anti-Christ, The Abomination of Desolation, The Old Roman-Empire & Future 'Revived' "Roman Empire", The Beast & The False Prophet, etc.

They tell me that they DON'T personally believe that the "Pope" or the Roman "Papacy" is THE FUTURE "COMING" OR "REVEALED" ANTI-CHRIST...

Albeit, they DO conceed & admit that they personally believe that he is THE FALSE-PROPHET of Revelations 16:13, 19:20 & 20:10 !

And I agree with them; as it IS The Earth-Beast with 2 Horns [church/state?] Like a Lamb, But speaks as a Dragon, in Revelation 13:11-18; that makes the IMAGE & gives the MARK of THE BEAST !

Br. Stephen Hamilton: While attending BJU in the 1980s; I ran into many faithful FPs at BJU: one in particular was from Scotland whose name is Mike Ventrello (Scotty).

I must needs say that some of The Brethren believe in a Combination of Both: That THE FUTURE Anti-Christ will "Come" or be "Revealed" in The Black-Pope/"Jesuit"-General-Dynasty (White-Pope = False-Prophet) as taught by former "Jesuit" priest Alberto Rivera-Romero !

Many former Roman-"Catholics" who I know (who are now Authorized Biblical Literalist Saints) and discuss prophecy with (particularly The Book of Daniel & Revelation) about Mystery Babylon, The Scarlet&Purple Woman, Roman "Catholicism", The Papacy, THE Anti-Christ, The Abomination of Desolation, The Old Roman-Empire & Future 'Revived' "Roman Empire", The Beast & The False Prophet, etc. -- They tell me that they DON'T personally believe that the "Pope" or the Roman "Papacy" is THE FUTURE "COMING" OR "REVEALED" ANTI-CHRIST -- Albeit, they DO conceed & admit that they personally believe that he is THE FALSE-PROPHET of Revelations 16:13, 19:20 & 20:10 !

Neil wrote:Stephen, I find it ironic that many anti-creedal Baptists write pretrib premill into their "statements of faith," while denouncing Reformed confessionalism, which is mostly light on eschatology (besides pope-as-antichrist). Because I take subscriptionism seriously, I cannot join such, even those who otherwise have sound doctrine.

Confessional churches are not immune from apostasy - obviously - however they are not nearly so prone to departure from truth as those churches without such subscription. At least men who subscribe something can be held to account.

GG wrote:AVA...then you must agree with the teachings of Catholicism that the Bread and Wine contain aspects of human flesh.

"There is No AVA-Maria here"; But No Spiritually, Psychologically or Physically Sane Man can EVER agree with the False Teachings (Doctrines of Devils) of Roman-"Catholicism" (aka Satanic-Vaticanism) that the "bread (wafer) and wine (booze) contain aspects of human flesh."

Note-Br. Stephen Hamilton: While attending BJU in the 1980s; I ran into many faithful FPs at BJU: one in particular was from Scotland whose name is Mike Ventrello (Scotty). I must needs say that some of The Brethren believe in a Combination of Both: That THE FUTURE Anti-Christ will "Come" or be "Revealed" in The Black-Pope/"Jesuit"-General-Dynasty (White-Pope = False-Prophet) as taught by former "Jesuit" priest Alberto Rivera-Romero !

Stephen, I find it ironic that many anti-creedal Baptists write pretrib premill into their "statements of faith," while denouncing Reformed confessionalism, which is mostly light on eschatology (besides pope-as-antichrist). Because I take subscriptionism seriously, I cannot join such, even those who otherwise have sound doctrine.

john joseph brown wrote:Rev Hamilton, the fp church subscribes to the WCF true ,but do all the fp ministers believe that the Pope is thee Antichrist?

Good question, John - and I know why you are asking it! Every FP minister swears to uphold the WM Confession. Every minister certainly believes Romanism is Anti-christian, and that every Pope is anti-christ. The wording of the WCF speaks of the Pope as Anti-christ "in the church". Some believe in a future, final Anti-christ (THE Anti-christ), while others believe the dynasty of Popes is THE Anti-christ. Presbyterians historically have allowed for this difference - e.g. several prominent Free Church of Scotland ministers held to a future Antichrist, while believing that Rome was anti-christian. Among those were the Bonars and R. M. McCheyne. Few would doubt their orthodoxy, even those (like me)who disagree with their prophetic outlook. The main point is that the FPC is opposed to Romanism and Popery - may it ever be so.

As far as I am aware the church in Ulster still subscribes to the WCF and its proper description of the Pope as "the man of sin and son of perdition" and "that Antichrist". This historic Protestant stance was re-affirmed in the Ulster Presbytery's public statement carried on the FPC web-site and in the media. That statement re-affirms the FPC's opposition to Romanism and Ecumenism. My own Bible Class lecture on the subject is still available on this audio site: "Antichrist - The Pope? The Historic Protestant view". You will find other audio sermons on the topic by F.P. ministers, including Dr. Paisley of course. So the "so-called fundamentalist church" to which you refer still publicly opposes Rome and all its works. Whether the political stance and actions of some is consistent with such a position is another question altogether. But your implication that somehow Mr Thompson is adopting a more faithful stance than the FPC is a bit foolish, is it not, since the same Mr Thompson is still a paid adviser to one of the D.U.P. ministers in the un-democratic Assembly at Stormont??!! His radio comments, however, are to be applauded by every Bible-believing Protestant.

never never never!!! too busy using spades with bertie in ballymena! he is bound to say nothing as he now in dagon`s temple without strenght and vision.Thompson`s convictions are sadly lacking in the so called fundamentalist free churchand their fearless clerics?