New City, NY - An 18-year-old student from a Hasidic Jewish enclave has been indicted on an attempted murder charge in a fiery attack on a religious dissident.

Rockland County District Attorney Thomas Zugibe said Thursday that Shaul Spitzer of New Square was also charged with attempted arson and assault.

The case has brought unusual attention to New Square, an insular village of 7,000 people, nearly all of them members of the Skver Hasidic sect. The sect takes its name from the Ukrainian village of Skver, where its members had been decimated during the Holocaust and for which New Square is named.

In the pre-dawn hours of May 22, Aron Rottenberg of New Square suffered burns over half his body when he confronted someone carrying a flammable liquid outside his home.

“As I grabbed him ... we both just burst into flames,” a scarred Rottenberg said at a news conference Wednesday. He was released Monday from a hospital.

Relatives said they were watching for an attack because they had endured broken windows and threats ever since Rottenberg began worshipping at a nearby nursing home instead of the main synagogue.

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Police arrested Spitzer, who was also burned, and said he was trying to burn down Rottenberg’s house.

Spitzer’s attorney, Kenneth Gribetz, denied the allegations.

“Mr. Spitzer has expressed tremendous remorse and sorrow for whatever injuries were caused,” Gribetz said. “He had no intention whatsoever to cause any injury to anybody in the home or to murder anybody.”

Spitzer also did not plan to burn down the house, Gribetz said.

Rottenberg’s family has alleged in a lawsuit that the attack was directed by Grand Rebbe David Twersky because of Rottenberg’s defiance.

“Definitely the community leaders are involved in this,” Rottenberg said.

Twersky has decried the attack and has not been charged.

Gribetz said Thursday that Spitzer has denied that Twersky encouraged or even knew about the attack.

Spitzer is to be arraigned Friday.

An indictment is an accusatory instrument and not proof of a defendant’s guilt.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 03:32 PMAnonymous Says:

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It's one of the options offered by the new square kehila to the rottenberg family, to make an out of court bargen and payout his house plus a few millions for what he got this health damages. ”

That was conditional - but an indictment is not the choice of the Rottenberg family anyway. The apology along with compensation for injuries and losses should be made to the Rottenberg family regardless of what happens to the indicted arsonist and attempted murderer.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 03:36 PMAnonymous Says:

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bad news for klal yisroel. why why are jews going in court and fighting like this, both sides should restrain. ”

I believe you mean "refrain" but then again your entire comment made no sense. An indictment is brought by the grand jury, not the rottenberg family. The reason it was brought is because the boy in question has "committed" a criminal act. When one commits a criminal act, a jury decides to convict that person or not. The real question is why are Jews setting other Jews houses on fire and endangering lives?

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Jun 23, 2011 at 03:38 PMAnonymous Says:

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bad news for klal yisroel. why why are jews going in court and fighting like this, both sides should restrain. ”

You should read the article - this isn't a personal lawsuit - the county is bringing criminal charges against Spitzer.

As for Spitzer's attorney denying the charges, that's what defense attorneys do - they represent their clients. To the best of my knowledge, Spitzer has not admitted to anything publicly, so his attorney is going to plead not guilty.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:07 PMinTheknow Says:

This should also send a strong warning to all those 'Kanoyim', in the fruma world, zealots who use the name of Rabbis to advance their causes..

The DA's from the NY's tri-state areas recently held a conference call discussing the trend of intimidation and threats in the Charedi community, and rumors are, they are keeping a close eye on a few individuals and one Local small Rabbi, and some might be charged.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 03:46 PMcommon-sense Says:

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please lets have in mind before we write any comment it should not have any loshon horo or blow the fire of machlokes. we all need moshiach should come soon. lets not keep him away. ”

You think that when a person tries to kill someone, that maybe that keeps Moshiach away? When someone does a terrible thing like this, it is our CHIYUV to be MOCHE. Silence in this kind of situation would keep Moshiach away.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 03:47 PMPMOinFL Says:

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bad news for klal yisroel. why why are jews going in court and fighting like this, both sides should restrain. ”

"why are Jews going in court and fighting like this...."

Are you insane? This animal tried to MURDER this man and his family by torching the house while people were asleep inside! There are times to call the police and allow the law of the land to rule. This is one of those times my friend.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 03:49 PMAnonymous Says:

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please lets have in mind before we write any comment it should not have any loshon horo or blow the fire of machlokes. we all need moshiach should come soon. lets not keep him away. ”

Great!!! i can do whatever I want, harass anyone without fear of being exposed, because it's Loshon Hora.... wake up! The wrong doers can’t expect protection from תורה, while they violate it themselves...

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Jun 23, 2011 at 03:57 PMEMESS1 Says:

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bad news for klal yisroel. why why are jews going in court and fighting like this, both sides should restrain. ”

I apologize, but your comment is contradictory to Halacha: Someone who attempts to kill, is a "Rodef" and loses any rights or protection he would have as a Yid since he is "Yotzo MiKlal Amcho" - in fact in such circumstances it is probably a mitzvah to put him in jail so that he cannot cause damage to anyone else.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:01 PMAnonymous Says:

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nebech, they are going to throw him under the bus. no support from the community, that way it will show that he acted on his own. ”

“ nebech, they are going to throw him under the bus. no support from the community, that way it will show that he acted on his own

So maybe you are suggesting they should have indicted the Skver rebbe too?? Would that have made you happy? Obviously he acted on his own. No one in a position of authority would have told him to do somthing so crazy.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:14 PMamerican Says:

its true that spitzer has to be punised.but on the other hand its so unfortunate that community leaders, knowing that action have consequences didn't do anything that can land them in prison, but instead they got an 18 year old bucher- who is probably ignorant knows nothing besides the rebba and square - so excited to do something stupid like this.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:19 PMConcernedMember Says:

I think #6 and others keep forgetting something. Had Rottenberg not interfered with Spitzer the whole house would have been set on fire. Remember the pictures of the wooden porch etc? It would have gone up in flames in seconds. A whole FAMILY would have died. Children as well! And you worry about court? This man went to murder a family. Fire is not something to play with. Fire spreads and people die. Now he has to face the consequences for the fire he tried to set.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:23 PMwhat Says:

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"Spitzer’s defense attorney denied the charges."Hmm, he was caught red-handed. Was he planning to have a campfire and roast marshmallows? in someone else's back yard at 4 AM? yes, that must be it!! ”

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:23 PMlazerx Says:

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bad news for klal yisroel. why why are jews going in court and fighting like this, both sides should restrain. ”

good news for the Jews. We can prosecute a person who is willing to kill an entire family and perhaps give him the sentence that he was trying to give to others as it says in mackos about aidim zommamim.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:29 PMRachel W. Says:

Why are we so quick to indict a whole community and believe all the rumors flying around this case? Chassidishe politics aside, this individual could have acted on his own. The Skvere Rebbe would never have endorsed such heinous act by anyone. He is a pious, well-loved leader known for his chessed and integrity. This horrible episode must be hurting him to no end. Unfortunately there are less-than-savvy individuals in all sects who misinterpret situations and undertake what they foolishly perceive to be acts of heroism. For anybody here to make assumptions or judgements is wrong and only adds fuel to the fire.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:33 PMAnonymous Says:

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Reply to #6 the biggest question is why would a yid want to kill anther yid ? And you only worry about court what kind of yid are you? ”

In this type of case, its really a big mitzvah to use the criminal court system to remove such an evil person from the kehillah and assure that he cannot ever harm another yid in the future....no beis din can impose any real sanctions that would protect us from such beheimos...

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:34 PMshabos Says:

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This should also send a strong warning to all those 'Kanoyim', in the fruma world, zealots who use the name of Rabbis to advance their causes..

The DA's from the NY's tri-state areas recently held a conference call discussing the trend of intimidation and threats in the Charedi community, and rumors are, they are keeping a close eye on a few individuals and one Local small Rabbi, and some might be charged. ”

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:38 PMAnonymous Says:

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Great!!! i can do whatever I want, harass anyone without fear of being exposed, because it's Loshon Hora.... wake up! The wrong doers can’t expect protection from תורה, while they violate it themselves... ”

2 wrongs doesnt make anything right.you may not talk loshon horo. period!you may not blow the flames of machlokes. period!and of course you may not burn anyones house.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:40 PMAnonymous Says:

Are you insane? This animal tried to MURDER this man and his family by torching the house while people were asleep inside! There are times to call the police and allow the law of the land to rule. This is one of those times my friend. ”

we still have a torah. should he go to beis din and get a heter to go to court.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:44 PMA Says:

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It's one of the options offered by the new square kehila to the rottenberg family, to make an out of court bargen and payout his house plus a few millions for what he got this health damages. ”

I think the Rottenberg family should pursue this in civil court but it should in no way reduce the charges against Spitzer in criminal court. The very fact that this "new square kehila" is willing to give millions in dollars in an effort to keep Spitzer out of jail is disgusting...it makes you wonder how many other criminals they've protected.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:52 PMAnonymous Says:

Rabbosai! RELAX!!! #5 & #6 are, sadly, not with the program. Me? As one who asked Daas Torah if I should go to court (& I listened & follow their Psak!!) I say...GOOD NEWS.

This case is past the stage of withdrawing charges. It went out of Mr. Rottenburg's hands when Spitzer tried to turn him into a fireball. How he'll get out of this one I can only wait with dread to find out. How do you say CHILUL HASHEM in Skvereze???

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Jun 23, 2011 at 04:55 PMemesdig Says:

Everyone condemns the philosophy of skver, but lets take a moment and do what Chahmeinu Z"L asked us to do, and that's _V'havei Dun Es *KOL ODOM* Lekaf Zechus_.

Yes the Skverer are narrow minded people, they think that the Rebbe is everything and everything is the Rebbe. But are you familiar with their history? do you know how many conflicts the the Skvere Rebbe avoided, he was known for 43 years for a person of Sholom-peace, he had the Viznitzer Rebbe on his back and he avoided every possibility of making machlokes, he had his other BIL the Rachmestrivka Rebbe with whom he peacefully departed and yes go into the Rachmestrivka shul and listen to what evil they have to say, but ask a yungerman in New Square he would be completely unaware of anything related to a conflict.

By chasunas and major tishen there's complete seder the Skverer Rebbe can not take any pushing or fighting, and he not just said that they way of Skver is Deruchehu Darkei Noam it was always well practiced.

Now for the story with Rottenberg, lets do a little history. This Village was created with Mesiras Nefesh Mamesh by the Skvere Rebbe Ztz"l who passed away in young age of 68 because of his Mesiras Nefesh >>

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Jun 23, 2011 at 05:12 PMemesdig Says:

There's a reason behind why he put in so much effort in making this Shtetel. He lived in Williamsburg where many machlokes was going on from a certain kehilla when he landed from the ship that brought him to America he right away said "ven ich volt zich nisht geshemt volt ich zich osgedreit in tzirik gefooren", but all this didn't push him to make the shtaitel only the machlokes of williamsburg convinced him to put in the effort he put inIn Derheim there was usually only one fraction in every city, and the Kehilla had full authority on the Shul and everything but in America this stopped and there were hundred of fractions in every city, which he couldn't take. So he decided that in his Village he doesn't want to be like that because it brings conflicts.So far In New Square's history there were many people that weren't happy how things went and they were asked to leave peacefully which they did. The first person to refuse was this person named Chaim Aron Rotenberg who was in to make changes! And because Skver never dealt with something like this the "shvitzers" decided on their own to take action, and there slogan was that "if Kuhel cannot do enough for the rebbe than we will do"

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Jun 23, 2011 at 05:17 PMAnonymous Says:

To all those commentators still stuck on the concept of beit din - you do not understand how the "law of the land" works ..... The Rottenbergs have nothing to do with the fact that at this point in time an indictment was brought and a trial will be had. The DA brought the story to a grand jury and they do the indicting. The indictment is against the "alleged" criminal act. This is not a civil suit. If Rottenbergs want civil matters met, they may determine that a beit din is appropriate for that. But a DA and grand jury in the United States of America does not take accused attempted murderers to a beit din.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 05:22 PMemesdig Says:

this wasn't an official organized terror group everyone knew that they are the Talibans but no one ever thought what they are capable of doing. so no one stopped them. and this is what happened. someone has to belong in a psychiatric center to think that the Skvere Rebb was behind this. He might be narrow minded and think that in 2011 you can still think like 50 years ago. But to say that he had the least idea besides that the Kehilla is negotiating with him to move is foolish and absurd.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 05:25 PMFeivish Says:

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Jun 23, 2011 at 05:34 PMemesdig Says:

There's a story that goes like this, When Reb Shimon Soifer son of the the Chasam Soifer had a strong hisnagdus in Krakaw when he was accepted there for Rav. So by the eintzigs drusha he told a story that when he was a child there was once a wedding near his fathers yeshiva and the made noise which disturbed the C"S so he sent his son a few times to ask them please to stop but the ignored him at the end the C"S told his on a Shem and said that he should tell the father that he knows a certain Shem which can kill him, this worked and they stopped. So Reb Shimon Soifer said to the audience I still remember that Shem!

Question: is this Daas Tora to kill people for being against a Rabbinical position???

oh you'll answer that he had a Shem and it's a different story. NO different story!! for being against him or for weakening his authority, he remembers a Shem that might kill them. Strange

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Jun 23, 2011 at 05:48 PMnoahz6 Says:

if it would be up to me i would explain to this spitzer guy what it is like to be in jail for years, until he understands it well, so he could feel the pain, also that if he informs the authoraties they minght lighten his sentance, and then maybe he will reveal who encouraged him to do this, it is important that the right people get punished.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 06:01 PMAnonymous Says:

Good point, #38. The top Skveren will let Spitzer be a korbon. Maybe he really was unduly influenced & was incited to do it. If so, then he needs to share the punishment, because I really think this kid is going to jail. Remember, he is old enough to know better.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 06:19 PMAnonymous Says:

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There's a reason behind why he put in so much effort in making this Shtetel. He lived in Williamsburg where many machlokes was going on from a certain kehilla when he landed from the ship that brought him to America he right away said "ven ich volt zich nisht geshemt volt ich zich osgedreit in tzirik gefooren", but all this didn't push him to make the shtaitel only the machlokes of williamsburg convinced him to put in the effort he put inIn Derheim there was usually only one fraction in every city, and the Kehilla had full authority on the Shul and everything but in America this stopped and there were hundred of fractions in every city, which he couldn't take. So he decided that in his Village he doesn't want to be like that because it brings conflicts.So far In New Square's history there were many people that weren't happy how things went and they were asked to leave peacefully which they did. The first person to refuse was this person named Chaim Aron Rotenberg who was in to make changes! And because Skver never dealt with something like this the "shvitzers" decided on their own to take action, and there slogan was that "if Kuhel cannot do enough for the rebbe than we will do" ”

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Jun 23, 2011 at 06:25 PMshredready Says:

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“ nebech, they are going to throw him under the bus. no support from the community, that way it will show that he acted on his own

So maybe you are suggesting they should have indicted the Skver rebbe too?? Would that have made you happy? Obviously he acted on his own. No one in a position of authority would have told him to do somthing so crazy. ”

maybe not maybe yes but it seems to be circumstantial evidence that the rebbie said do what it takes to Rottenburg.

sort of like a mafia boss says, take care of the problem he does nor say kill him

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Jun 23, 2011 at 06:25 PMAnonymous Says:

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To all those commentators still stuck on the concept of beit din - you do not understand how the "law of the land" works ..... The Rottenbergs have nothing to do with the fact that at this point in time an indictment was brought and a trial will be had. The DA brought the story to a grand jury and they do the indicting. The indictment is against the "alleged" criminal act. This is not a civil suit. If Rottenbergs want civil matters met, they may determine that a beit din is appropriate for that. But a DA and grand jury in the United States of America does not take accused attempted murderers to a beit din. ”

Rottenberg filed a lawsuit against Spitzer and again Rabbi Twersky.this was done without a heter from a bes din.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 06:32 PMshredready Says:

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Everyone condemns the philosophy of skver, but lets take a moment and do what Chahmeinu Z"L asked us to do, and that's _V'havei Dun Es *KOL ODOM* Lekaf Zechus_.

Yes the Skverer are narrow minded people, they think that the Rebbe is everything and everything is the Rebbe. But are you familiar with their history? do you know how many conflicts the the Skvere Rebbe avoided, he was known for 43 years for a person of Sholom-peace, he had the Viznitzer Rebbe on his back and he avoided every possibility of making machlokes, he had his other BIL the Rachmestrivka Rebbe with whom he peacefully departed and yes go into the Rachmestrivka shul and listen to what evil they have to say, but ask a yungerman in New Square he would be completely unaware of anything related to a conflict.

By chasunas and major tishen there's complete seder the Skverer Rebbe can not take any pushing or fighting, and he not just said that they way of Skver is Deruchehu Darkei Noam it was always well practiced.

Now for the story with Rottenberg, lets do a little history. This Village was created with Mesiras Nefesh Mamesh by the Skvere Rebbe Ztz"l who passed away in young age of 68 because of his Mesiras Nefesh >> ”

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Jun 23, 2011 at 07:41 PMkollelfaker Says:

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Rottenberg filed a lawsuit against Spitzer and again Rabbi Twersky.this was done without a heter from a bes din. ”

really they should they were nearly killed by this bum and no one tried to stop him this was the 8th attack on the family and to answer your next question they could not sell their house without permission either

but idiot this article is about the county finally doing something the bum tried to kill this family thats punishable by us courts the law suit thats going to court as well

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Jun 23, 2011 at 07:45 PMJoe-Shmoe Says:

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Reply to #6 the biggest question is why would a yid want to kill anther yid ? And you only worry about court what kind of yid are you? ”

since you seem soooo knowledgeable in what a yid is, Let me ask you, what did you to promote yiddish wellbeing? what did you do to clean up this mess this stupid teenager caused to me you and every yid out there? I'm very sorry (if he's found guilty!!!) he was in the wrong place and that time, he should've been in a mental ward! However that shouldn't cast us all with the wrong! By just keeping on slapping spitzer, especially for the world (on the news), all the people who gave interviews, (including "jewland" who I know, and I can tell you, he's not the brightest!) they all doused us in gasoline for the anti semites to torch! SHAME ON YOU, SPITZER, rottenberg, the lawyer, AND ALL WHO NAMED "SKVER" BEFORE THE MEDIA! (they don't differentiate bet skver litvish modern orthodox, you and me! nor does any jew hater!)

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Jun 23, 2011 at 07:55 PMadvise Says:

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Why are we so quick to indict a whole community and believe all the rumors flying around this case? Chassidishe politics aside, this individual could have acted on his own. The Skvere Rebbe would never have endorsed such heinous act by anyone. He is a pious, well-loved leader known for his chessed and integrity. This horrible episode must be hurting him to no end. Unfortunately there are less-than-savvy individuals in all sects who misinterpret situations and undertake what they foolishly perceive to be acts of heroism. For anybody here to make assumptions or judgements is wrong and only adds fuel to the fire. ”

The rebbe and the leaders did not faint when they heard what products they produced, where is their great CHESED from where we stand it looks like they do CHESED only to someone who does what they want otherwise they will get what Mr Rottenberg got

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Jun 23, 2011 at 08:01 PMAnonymous Says:

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There's a story that goes like this, When Reb Shimon Soifer son of the the Chasam Soifer had a strong hisnagdus in Krakaw when he was accepted there for Rav. So by the eintzigs drusha he told a story that when he was a child there was once a wedding near his fathers yeshiva and the made noise which disturbed the C"S so he sent his son a few times to ask them please to stop but the ignored him at the end the C"S told his on a Shem and said that he should tell the father that he knows a certain Shem which can kill him, this worked and they stopped. So Reb Shimon Soifer said to the audience I still remember that Shem!

Question: is this Daas Tora to kill people for being against a Rabbinical position???

oh you'll answer that he had a Shem and it's a different story. NO different story!! for being against him or for weakening his authority, he remembers a Shem that might kill them. Strange ”

Rottenberg from Krakow probably filed a lawsuit against Reb Shimon Soifer and from an undisclosed location he explained to the media that the people from Krakow are being brainwashed by the Rav and he will enlighten them...

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Jun 23, 2011 at 08:16 PMbubii Says:

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Can anyone explain why Rottenberg has to keep the flame burning by talking to the media, posting clips, going on TV? The justice system is on it why does he have to wash laundry in public? ”

yes because theese so called squarer yiddin made him suffer for no good reason they tortured him with their indifference when he asked help from the machers there they tottaly abandoned him what they did to him his unimaginabled cruelty they deserve whatever they get those roshiem there who caused rottenberg terrible agmas nefes and of course terrible physical dsifigurnment and pain.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 08:37 PMadvise Says:

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this wasn't an official organized terror group everyone knew that they are the Talibans but no one ever thought what they are capable of doing. so no one stopped them. and this is what happened. someone has to belong in a psychiatric center to think that the Skvere Rebb was behind this. He might be narrow minded and think that in 2011 you can still think like 50 years ago. But to say that he had the least idea besides that the Kehilla is negotiating with him to move is foolish and absurd. ”

Since the leaders of taliban started sending out suiciders to get rid of opposition the leaders of skver thought it may be a good idea, now is pay time.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 08:42 PMAnonymous Says:

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“ nebech, they are going to throw him under the bus. no support from the community, that way it will show that he acted on his own

So maybe you are suggesting they should have indicted the Skver rebbe too?? Would that have made you happy? Obviously he acted on his own. No one in a position of authority would have told him to do somthing so crazy. ”

You have one big problem with your assessment. Spitzer is a Shammos to the Rebbe. Nuf said.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 08:47 PMadvise Says:

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Can anyone explain why Rottenberg has to keep the flame burning by talking to the media, posting clips, going on TV? The justice system is on it why does he have to wash laundry in public? ”

Mr Rottenberg has the backing of klall Yisruel behind him, whos laundry is he wahing is it yours why are you and all skver worried now, why weren't you worried when all of you were speaking loshen horeh and making machloikes against Mr Rottenberg.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 09:01 PMshooki Says:

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“ nebech, they are going to throw him under the bus. no support from the community, that way it will show that he acted on his own

So maybe you are suggesting they should have indicted the Skver rebbe too?? Would that have made you happy? Obviously he acted on his own. No one in a position of authority would have told him to do somthing so crazy. ”

You are obviously a haisa skvere chusid. Sorry, but everyone knows the truth!!

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Jun 23, 2011 at 09:39 PMBLONDI Says:

im sure if mr rottenberg would have gotten a fair market price for the value of his home, he would have moved out of the community a long time ago. and i still dont understand what is so terrible with him davening in a nursing home filled with lonely, old people. imho. he deserves what ever money he wins...hatzlocha mr rottenberg, and refuah shlama. third degree burns with grafting is very painful.

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Jun 23, 2011 at 10:10 PMrikki Says:

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Jun 23, 2011 at 10:18 PMAnonymous Says:

This is not a case to be settled out of court as this is out of the hands of Rottenberg, Skver or Spitzer's family...a crime was committed and the State is pressing charges against the alleged perpetrator...he's innocent until proven guilty...if Mr. Rottenberg Chas V'S. would have died then the charge would be for murder, not attempted murder...this is a serious charge. This is beyond some fight in Skver. Think about it, if this would happen to your father or loved one, how would you feel and react? This all is horrible!!!!

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Jun 24, 2011 at 12:03 AMraisy Says:

How do you explain the fact that the Rebbe and his family were aware that windows of cars were broken, children of mispallelim at Friedwald were expelled from school, and other aggressive acts--not negotiations--were going on and did nothing to stop this? "Kol she'yesh b'yado limchos v'eino mocheh...." Even though he may not have verbally ordered a 'hit' on A. Rottenberg, by staying silent about previous violence he is responsible for the consequences of his silence.

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Jun 24, 2011 at 12:28 AMAnonymous Says:

This whole parsha is mamash inyuna deyoma like korach duson and aviram went against moshe rabeinu as they felt he is brainwashing klal yisroel. They even had 250 roshei sanhedrin that backed them...The happy end was when all baalei machlokes got their well deserved punishment.

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Jun 24, 2011 at 02:06 AMAnonymous Says:

How do you explain the fact that the Rebbe and his family were aware that windows of cars were broken, children of mispallelim at Friedwald were expelled from school, and other aggressive acts--not negotiations--were going on and did nothing to stop this? "Kol she'yesh b'yado limchos v'eino mocheh...." Even though he may not have verbally ordered a 'hit' on A. Rottenberg, by staying silent about previous violence he is responsible for the consequences of his silence. ”

" children of mispallelim at Friedwald were expelled from school, and other aggressive acts--not negotiations--"

Just for your info, all this was after HOURS and hours and hours of discussions with these bums, to try to convince them peacefully. But these animals couldn't care less what happened to their children, at least they will show that their stubbornness will prevail, and they will daven where they want, they will do what they want.... Look where it got them... Oh of course now they have the chutzpah to yell "yoiy, what did you do to my kids"...

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Jun 24, 2011 at 02:24 AMalter Says:

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Duh! Because he wants everyone to see the chayois he is up against! ”

So just because he lived there 35 years and decided to swim against the stream (of course that dosen't give the right to torture him) but just like in KJ or Willy if someone dosen't fit the mold he will very soon be uncomfortable (i.e. his kids will not be accepted) and leave town. Now its clear that this family dosen't belong in NS its also clear that the torcher be punished but why do millions of outsiders have toget a bad take on the whole klal just because they come knocking for a interview?

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Jun 24, 2011 at 07:41 AMPaulie123 Says:

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bad news for klal yisroel. why why are jews going in court and fighting like this, both sides should restrain. ”

You are right. What should really happen is the following. Go to Din Torah ( in Skver of coarse ) and let the "dayanim" decide the outcome. My guess would be to exonerate Spitzer and put Rottenberg in cherem.

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Jun 24, 2011 at 08:37 AMMayer Says:

The indictment is excellent news. Maybe it will teach those of our community who think they can break the law with impunity that they cannot. Evert time a haredi breaks the law it creates another chillul hashem.

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Jun 24, 2011 at 09:48 AMAnonymous Says:

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The indictment is excellent news. Maybe it will teach those of our community who think they can break the law with impunity that they cannot. Evert time a haredi breaks the law it creates another chillul hashem. ”

" Maybe it will teach those of our community who think they can break the law with impunity that they cannot."

Did you realize that working "under the table" is also breaking the law? Or since you are doing it for so many years already its allowed... So maybe now you will file taxes correctly to prevent a chillul hashem, or maybe just wait untill you are indicted?

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Jun 24, 2011 at 10:58 AMadvise Says:

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" children of mispallelim at Friedwald were expelled from school, and other aggressive acts--not negotiations--"

Just for your info, all this was after HOURS and hours and hours of discussions with these bums, to try to convince them peacefully. But these animals couldn't care less what happened to their children, at least they will show that their stubbornness will prevail, and they will daven where they want, they will do what they want.... Look where it got them... Oh of course now they have the chutzpah to yell "yoiy, what did you do to my kids"... ”

Of corse he he should yell now that people listen when he yells, whereas till now when he yelled, but no one listened.

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Jun 24, 2011 at 11:12 AMadvise Says:

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So just because he lived there 35 years and decided to swim against the stream (of course that dosen't give the right to torture him) but just like in KJ or Willy if someone dosen't fit the mold he will very soon be uncomfortable (i.e. his kids will not be accepted) and leave town. Now its clear that this family dosen't belong in NS its also clear that the torcher be punished but why do millions of outsiders have toget a bad take on the whole klal just because they come knocking for a interview? ”

I would like to know what happens to some one that davens in the old age home in Williamsburgh his children will never be efected, so why do you compare some one that goes against the toire to some one who davens in a old age home, you and the leaders of skver are unfair to Mr Rotenberg and his likes

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Jun 24, 2011 at 11:29 AMAnonymous Says:

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" Maybe it will teach those of our community who think they can break the law with impunity that they cannot."

Did you realize that working "under the table" is also breaking the law? Or since you are doing it for so many years already its allowed... So maybe now you will file taxes correctly to prevent a chillul hashem, or maybe just wait untill you are indicted? ”

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Jun 24, 2011 at 11:45 AMAnonymous Says:

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" children of mispallelim at Friedwald were expelled from school, and other aggressive acts--not negotiations--"

Just for your info, all this was after HOURS and hours and hours of discussions with these bums, to try to convince them peacefully. But these animals couldn't care less what happened to their children, at least they will show that their stubbornness will prevail, and they will daven where they want, they will do what they want.... Look where it got them... Oh of course now they have the chutzpah to yell "yoiy, what did you do to my kids"... ”

How can people be so creul and nasty for the great sin of davening in a nursing home he is condemmed to burn alive his family umiliated his children thrown out of school, one could have thought he is a murderer that is why he is beeing punished by the leaders of skver.

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Jun 24, 2011 at 11:46 AMAnonymous Says:

How do you explain the fact that the Rebbe and his family were aware that windows of cars were broken, children of mispallelim at Friedwald were expelled from school, and other aggressive acts--not negotiations--were going on and did nothing to stop this? "Kol she'yesh b'yado limchos v'eino mocheh...." Even though he may not have verbally ordered a 'hit' on A. Rottenberg, by staying silent about previous violence he is responsible for the consequences of his silence. ”

could you explain why in every other chaider and even in every bais yaakov around the globe there's a main concept that if the parents do not honor or regard the kovod of the hanhala than the kids are expelled? have you ever tried to put in your kids in any school in monsey and go through all the agmas nefesh? why should skver be condemned for keeping to the international rules of chareidy judiasm??

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Jun 24, 2011 at 11:50 AMAnonymous Says:

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im sure if mr rottenberg would have gotten a fair market price for the value of his home, he would have moved out of the community a long time ago. and i still dont understand what is so terrible with him davening in a nursing home filled with lonely, old people. imho. he deserves what ever money he wins...hatzlocha mr rottenberg, and refuah shlama. third degree burns with grafting is very painful. ”

did he ever go up to visit the lonely old people? there's an old ehrlicha yid a huge talmud chochom (might be people know who he his and can check it out so i'm gonna tell that it's Reb Yomtov Shtern) which the family asked rottenberg many times to go up to him to make a minyan in the day he had yurtzeit. did he go up? no! he only used the facility to break the authority of skver!!

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Jun 24, 2011 at 11:53 AMHenshe Says:

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" Maybe it will teach those of our community who think they can break the law with impunity that they cannot."

Did you realize that working "under the table" is also breaking the law? Or since you are doing it for so many years already its allowed... So maybe now you will file taxes correctly to prevent a chillul hashem, or maybe just wait untill you are indicted? ”

Where does he say he works under the table. Probably, however, YOU DO.

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Jun 24, 2011 at 12:56 PMdvd571 Says:

reply to #92 if you call these guys bums they are your bums and if someone doesnt daven with the rebbe but davens is a bum your whole yiddishkeit & hashkofe is screwd up we have a tora & shulchan orech to live by chassidus is an xtra curriculum after obeying the tora chassidus is beutiful

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Jun 24, 2011 at 01:52 PMAnonymous Says:

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could you explain why in every other chaider and even in every bais yaakov around the globe there's a main concept that if the parents do not honor or regard the kovod of the hanhala than the kids are expelled? have you ever tried to put in your kids in any school in monsey and go through all the agmas nefesh? why should skver be condemned for keeping to the international rules of chareidy judiasm?? ”

they're not being condemned for keeping your imaginary international rules.

They are being condemned for trying to kill a family for davening in a different shul than the rebbe wanted.

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Jun 24, 2011 at 02:09 PMAnonymous Says:

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Why are we so quick to indict a whole community and believe all the rumors flying around this case? Chassidishe politics aside, this individual could have acted on his own. The Skvere Rebbe would never have endorsed such heinous act by anyone. He is a pious, well-loved leader known for his chessed and integrity. This horrible episode must be hurting him to no end. Unfortunately there are less-than-savvy individuals in all sects who misinterpret situations and undertake what they foolishly perceive to be acts of heroism. For anybody here to make assumptions or judgements is wrong and only adds fuel to the fire. ”

Firstly, this "poor boy" didn't misunderstand the community, he liveds in the rebbe's house, right?

Secondly, your comment about adding fuel to the fire was in extremely poor taste.

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Jun 24, 2011 at 02:27 PMAnonymous Says:

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So just because he lived there 35 years and decided to swim against the stream (of course that dosen't give the right to torture him) but just like in KJ or Willy if someone dosen't fit the mold he will very soon be uncomfortable (i.e. his kids will not be accepted) and leave town. Now its clear that this family dosen't belong in NS its also clear that the torcher be punished but why do millions of outsiders have toget a bad take on the whole klal just because they come knocking for a interview? ”

He can do what he likes even if he lived there 35 minutes, instead of 35 years.

skver is not paying the bills there, the government is, and until they do pay the bills instead of using my tax dollars to live on, they have no right to tells others what to do.

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Jun 24, 2011 at 07:33 PMAnonymous Says:

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Wrong wrong wrong, its not an issue how long he lived there. Whoever lives in the village knows there are rules, if you can't abide by them, leave. Period. ”

there are no "rules" enforceable by the village. The village has NO authority to tell ANYONE what they can or cannot do.

And as long as the village is willing to suckle at the teat of the government, the government is the authority that rules, not the village. When the village buys the land and makes i private, THEN it can enforce its rules. until then, sit down, shut up, and keep your hands out for the rest of us to pay your bills and expenses.

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Jun 25, 2011 at 08:40 PMAnonymous Says:

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could you explain why in every other chaider and even in every bais yaakov around the globe there's a main concept that if the parents do not honor or regard the kovod of the hanhala than the kids are expelled? have you ever tried to put in your kids in any school in monsey and go through all the agmas nefesh? why should skver be condemned for keeping to the international rules of chareidy judiasm?? ”

I want to know if there was ever a case in klall yisruel that children were expelled because the father davened in a old age home, how stupid and difficult can you get

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Jun 26, 2011 at 12:14 AMAnonymous Says:

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there are no "rules" enforceable by the village. The village has NO authority to tell ANYONE what they can or cannot do.

And as long as the village is willing to suckle at the teat of the government, the government is the authority that rules, not the village. When the village buys the land and makes i private, THEN it can enforce its rules. until then, sit down, shut up, and keep your hands out for the rest of us to pay your bills and expenses. ”

You better believe there are rules and the village most definitely WILL enforce it. The village was created for a reason, and no one is forced to live there. So whoever feels its not for them should pack their bags and leave. In SV they could do whatever they want.

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Jun 26, 2011 at 09:45 AMadvise Says:

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did he ever go up to visit the lonely old people? there's an old ehrlicha yid a huge talmud chochom (might be people know who he his and can check it out so i'm gonna tell that it's Reb Yomtov Shtern) which the family asked rottenberg many times to go up to him to make a minyan in the day he had yurtzeit. did he go up? no! he only used the facility to break the authority of skver!! ”

There is hardly one minyan downstairs it would be impossible to make a minyan upstairs, why are you trying to put Mr Rottenberg in a bad light.