InTheWoods wrote:In qld that sign is the g9-60, which, belonging to the guide signs does not itself need to be obeyed, although obviously if there's some other rule which says you can't ride further on that needs to be obeyed.

InTheWoods wrote:In qld that sign is the g9-60, which, belonging to the guide signs does not itself need to be obeyed, although obviously if there's some other rule which says you can't ride further on that needs to be obeyed.

A blatant attempt to re-write the road rules & suggest that cyclists & pedestrians should give way to vehicles leaving private land

An employee came up to me while I was taking the photos and was very proud of the signs. He seemed genuinely shocked when I pointed out they were illegal, dangerous and encouraged drivers to breach the road rules. I was invited to speak with his boss. I declined and said I would be speaking to the RMS instead, text of my letter below

I wish to report some recently erected signs at Kennards Hire 69 Victoria Rd Rozelle NSW 2039 and I attach photographs of these signs.

I presume that Victoria Road is under the auspices of the RMS but have copied this email to Leichardt council in case I am mistaken.

The issues that I see with these signs are:

They create a dangerous situation in that the signs encourage drivers to ignore Road Rule 74 which requires a driver entering a road from adjacent land to give way to “(c) any vehicle or pedestrian on any road related area that the driver crosses to enter the road”. I note in this regard that Kennards have not erected a give way or other sign to remind drivers of their obligation to give way to pedestrians and cyclists;

It attempts to pass itself off as a traffic sign, although it is not contained within schedules 2, 3 or 4 of the Road Rules. It appears to me that the resemblance to a give way sign is not accidental;

The location and irregular nature of the sign suggest it was erected without approval from the RMS or Leichardt Council

The flashing light is on even when there is not a vehicle in the process of exiting the premises, such as at the time of taking the attached photos.

I look forward to confirmation of the action taken to remove these hazardous and unauthorised signs.

This is a newly 'renovated' $1 million roundabout in Point Cook, West Melbourne.Hmm how would you recommend approaching this one and living to tell the tale? Go into the left turning lane, but don't turn left like the cyclist in the photo? It's also a motorway offramp...

Heading north on Tonkin Hwy from Hale Rd in on-road bike lane. Bike symbol printed on road; sign on the left says no bikes on Tonkin Hwy.

Freaked me out, so we back-tracked and took a huge detour along Hale and Welshpool Roads.

I noticed this the other day while driving past, including another sign which says "Cyclists prohibited on Tonkin Highway, use Abernethy Road". I have no idea how you are meant to get to Abernethy Road from this point without using Tonkin Highway!

Based on the physical restrictions, it seems you can ride along Tonkin to the Abernethy off-ramp and then take that. However, that seems to contradict the signs.

bagelonabike wrote:This is a newly 'renovated' $1 million roundabout in Point Cook, West Melbourne.Hmm how would you recommend approaching this one and living to tell the tale? Go into the left turning lane, but don't turn left like the cyclist in the photo? It's also a motorway offramp...

It is illegal to go straight from the left lane, so the obvious answer is use the through lane. Not sure if I would be using that "cycle lane" in the roundabout either as it looks like prime SMIDSY territory and as it is not actually a cycle lane (no sign) you are not obliged to use it, regardless of whether you think it is safe or not.

wellington_street wrote:It is illegal to go straight from the left lane, so the obvious answer is use the through lane. Not sure if I would be using that "cycle lane" in the roundabout either as it looks like prime SMIDSY territory and as it is not actually a cycle lane (no sign) you are not obliged to use it, regardless of whether you think it is safe or not.

That sounds right to me. Madness painting on a cycle lane symbol there though!

The bike lane is a continuation of the bike lane painted coming in from the right. Dependent on signs it may be a legal bike lane (although they do generally end at intersections). The left-hand bike lanes through roundabouts are a terrible idea - basically turning your roundabout passage with priority, into a hook turn where you must give way to all.

Riding bikes in traffic - what seems dangerous is usually safe; what seems safe is often more dangerous.