Before the making of lists became such a fascinating issue, I would like to remind you all what this thread was originally about.
It was started because many among us are concerned about the horrible state our media has descended to and that 9-11 and the subsequent wars happened when citizens no longer had access to real news.
They told us lies and we believed them.
Now entire countries lie devastated and monstrous war crimes have been committed as a result.
Who are these people who used our trust for such abominable ends and why aren't they being held accountable for their lies?

Here is what I stated originally:
Dreams End makes many loud noises about Jew listing and pretends that we actually have a variety of views and opinions represented on our media which are then expressed by these various Jews and others..

[color=blue]We do not. In fact we have no media. What we have is a tightly controlled state run propaganda distribution mechanism. It is run by neocon warmongering, bloodthirsty, ruthlessly destructive and conscienceless globalists out to make a buck and f*** everyone else. Americans will pay for letting them use our country as their base And so will their children and their children's children. Dreams End speaks as if the media is filled with diversity and encourages the workings of a real democracy This is a grevious lie DE and you know it. How many of these diverse media voices have said one word about the BBC building 7 scandal now raging? I know the answer: one--a small news paper in Santa fe There may be many different Jews with many different voices, but the zionists that run our media have only one voice and it is that of Molock.[/color]

It was started because many among us are concerned about the horrible state our media has descended to and that 9-11 and the subsequent wars happened when citizens no longer had access to real news. They told us lies and we believed them. Now entire countries lie devastated and monstrous war crimes have been committed as a result. Who are these people who used our trust for such abominable ends and why aren't they being held accountable for their lies?

Yeah thats a valid statement.

Why invalidate it with the crap about it being all down to Zionism.

And are you seriously naive enough to believe that this started with 911 or even Israel?

When newscorp papers start dictating an agenda to our politicians:

It’s taken them a fortnight, but Rupert Murdoch’s dancing bears have finally lumbered out of hibernation and are sharpening their claws for the kill.Led by The Australian’s quaintly titled Editor-at-Large, Paul Kelly, they are now lining up to tell the new Labor leader Kevin Rudd exactly what he has to do if he wishes to avoid disembowelment at the next election.And it is not an enticing prospect, either for Rudd or for the rest of us. Basically our alternative Prime Minister has been told: stop attacking economic fundamentalism and commit to a Murdoch-style free market – or die.Kelly’s ultimatum in the Weekend Australian’s Enquirer section is bookended by a couple of the real crazies, Christopher Pearson (“Rudd must renege on IR”) and Kevin Donnelly (“Comrade Rudd is a closet leftie”) to fill in the details, but the core message has been left to the man his colleagues have christened “The Professor” – for much the same reason that our Dear Leader received the sobriquet “Honest John.”In Kelly’s case the name has less to do with erudition than with pomposity, a sanctimonious self-importance that has been nurtured by decades of duchessing by the rich and powerful. These days Kelly is so far up himself he has almost turned inside-out; from once being an avid Whitlamite he is now an unquestioning acolyte of Murdoch Mark II, the American version.So when Rupert’s flagship announces that he has The Questions Rudd Must Answer, little Kevin had better believe it. Actually they are not questions but orders, and Kelly takes several hundred words of turgid propagandising to get to them. But here is the brutal list.“What,” demands Rupert’s alpha grizzly, “is the economic task for the next Labor government? It will be to cut the fat from government spending; expand competition policy (except, it goes without saying, in the media – my interpolation); deregulate universities; introduce more market signals into health, education, transport and energy; eliminate red tape from business; simplify the tax and industrial systems; cut marginal tax rates; encourage the welfare to work transition and more labour force participation by assisting the work-family balance; invest more in education and training; encourage entrepreneurs in the market place; and aspire for a more competitive economy.

WTF has that got to do with Zionism.

There is a trail of lies and falsehoods that follows that agenda and it has everything to do with dismantling democracy and returning to the feudal system.

Hence lies like "the new IR system and dismantling of basic worker protections to serve the economy and benefits all Australians."

All the anti muslim sentiment in Australia has everything to do with promoting that agenda using divide and conquer "wedge politics" to further the Fascist agenda here and sweet FA to do with whats actually happening in the Middle east.

Now that striking is effectively illegal what recourse do ordinary working people have against economic powers. None.

Of course workers rights never mattered much in the US anyway so i guess thats irrelevent to you.

Next you will be saying the only reason Chavez is demonised is cos he has a semi cordial relationship with Iran.

sunny wrote: So far as I know, dbd is neither an officer of the court, nor is she an official with power to carry out such a judgement.

dbd, you are a "she" also? I must confess, I've become a she-lister of late. I'm amazed by how many people on this discussion board are turning out to be females - I like it. Interesting, there appears to be a skewed distribution, gender-wise, either side of the debate here on this thread and threads like it.

Who are these people who used our trust for such abominable ends and why aren't they being held accountable for their lies?

The Jews? Am I right? Why are you asking a question when you're unwilling to accept any answer that doesn't fall in line with what you already believe? It's unfortunate that you see the world consisting of nothing but extremes and caricatures.

What we have is a tightly controlled state run propaganda distribution mechanism.

That might be the perverted dream of certain fascistic currents within the government, and perhaps a twisted nightmare of yours, but it's not reality -- reality is frustratingly nuanced and complex. I see you as a feeble cog in a less cohesive, but still extant, propaganda mechanism -- maybe I'm wrong, but that's how you portray your views. Anyone who expects the corporate media to be responsible to anyone other than their shareholders needs to wake the fuck up. Your simplistic characterization of the media as tools of fascistic Zionists is only helping to construct strawmen for the people you view as the opposition. This is not fascism -- yet.

Who is this Matlock character again? Or was it Murdoch? Modok?

P.S. - The word "fry" would be appropriate for a comment about death by electrocution; gas chambers are used to kill people by asphyxiation, or poisoning. I guess you'd better brush up on your capital punishment. I didn't even notice that comment until it was pointed out -- perhaps "cognitive dissonance" kept me from seeing it the first time.

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The point is, pan, regardless of our personal opinions we (in Canada, UK, US and Australia etc) are Zionists in the most real terms imaginable. Our governments have stood by and watched for decades as Israel ignores the rulings of international bodies or otherwise never even gets judged by the same standards as every other nation.

You don't get a choice, you are a Zionist.

And by the way, the way zionism works in the diaspora is, you pay for it, OK? It doesn't hand out money to you - you pay for it.

Some people don't like this state of affairs and realise that the only way to change it, initially at least, is to make some noise about it.