I'm really considering suggesting that we implement "if you use Charizard in a UU or above tier, you will be banned from PS".

Anyway, I haven't really got anything to say except to express despair at our ladder. I think the day that I get a stroke due to Latias falling to UU may be coming somewhere in the future if our ladder continues the way it does. Ninjask rising above Chansey and Abomasnow says it all, lol.

If someone doesn't explain the fact that Ninjask is in OU range right this instant, I'm gonna punch as many noobs as I can. Wait, I think I just explained it... The fact that this piece of shit is used more than actually good shit like Gothitelle is disgraceful. I'm disappointed in the OU ladder.

| 54 | Dusclops | 8085 | 4.978% | 6849 | 5.076% |

I am convinced we need to implement a "If you use Dusclops in UU or above, you will be banned from PS" rule just to stop people from using this garbage. Dusclops is garbage for reasons that have been explained more than enough.

This right from the OU moveset statistics for Zoroark. What is with the morons using Focus Sash more often than Choice Specs on Zoroark? Guess that just shows how terrible the OU ladder is. Also, Trick usage on Zoroark at only 12.8%? That should be at least 80%. Also, who's using Toxic on Zoroark? That's got to be the most moronic thing I've ever seen. Also, lol @ No item, it's kind of hard to forget to give your Pokemon an item with PS's teambuilder... Unfortunately, UU's moveset stats for Zoroark aren't much better...

Really guys, how come so few Zoroark users understand that Trick on Zoroark is simply fantastic? I'd argue that 90% of Zoroark sets should be using Trick in UU, but whatever. At least Toxic's not used enough here to be outside of "Other", lol.

I'm really considering suggesting that we implement "if you use Magikarp in Hackmons or Balanced Hackmons, you will be banned from PS".

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Metagross punches some HUGE holes in unprepared teams and is still a nice SR setter. Chansey is an excellent wall that really doesn't give a shit about anything but STAB Fighting moves. Overall, though, both are on the wane, as better and/or more specialized Pokemon are gaining popularity (Rotom-H, Gastrodon, Deoxys-D, etc).

Garchomp gets vicious competition for a teamslot these days. 102 Speed is very irritating and his Outrage is also slightly weaker than that of Mence or Haxorus. Anyways, at least he's CLOSE to the Top 10. Anyways, I have more to say on these stats...

My Reaction to OU Stats

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| 48 | Celebi | 34077 | 4.401% | 27154 | 4.339% |

How the mighty have fallen....Oh Celebi, how you were once a top 20 Pokemon, now sitting in the lower recesses of OU, trying not to be UU. Looks like Tornadus-T and Genesect took the toll on this guy. Poor Celebi, I knew you well.

| 42 | Metagross | 41411 | 5.348% | 33714 | 5.387% |

I can't believe I'm saying this, but this is well deserved. The more people that use Metagross, the better for UU. Allowing Metagross into UU would result in an unhealthy metagame. It will easily demolish UU with its coverage. I've tried AgiliGross on PO UU, and I can confirm that it is ridiculously OP. So Metagross should stay or else UU will suffer.

| 43 | Keldeo | 40073 | 5.175% | 31355 | 5.010% |

Why is Keldeo this low? It's fucking powerful in the rain and wrecks shit. Why is it this low? Needs to be Top 20 at very least.

| 46 | Latias | 37620 | 4.858% | 29448 | 4.705% |

While Latios is dominating OU with his Mighty Draco Meteors, his sister just has to suffer in low OU. It's a shame, because Latias is awesome, and she can be such a good pivot, and also checks things so well. This just can't go to UU. If it does..then...

| 52 | Landorus-Therian | 28576 | 3.690% | 24174 | 3.863% |

So. Trying desperately not to fall into UU, right? Looks like what's happening between you and Lando-I is the opposite of what happened between Tornadus-I and Tornadus-T. Well, let's see what happens.

These two need A LOT more usage. How sad to see these two so low! Don't let them be UU, guys!

| 54 | Ninjask | 27023 | 3.490% | 24304 | 3.883% |

Baton Pass is making a comeback, it seems!

| 55 | Chansey | 27011 | 3.488% | 21364 | 3.414% |

This...needs to exit OU. It is the worst Pokemon in OU and shouldn't even be here.

| 86 | Stoutland | 10500 | 1.356% | 7995 | 1.277% |

This being lower than FailVire and Xatu is just stupendous. This needs a lot more love, should at least get 2% usage. It's an amazing revenge killer in the sand and is sure to be a menace. Look like I better get this thing rising in usage.

| 105 | Virizion | 7545 | 0.974% | 5871 | 0.938% |

A once OU Pokemon isn't even getting 1% usage in OU now. A shame, since Gangsta Pants and Pro-Mienshao are getting into Top 80, and P2 is getting at least 1%.

My Reaction to UU Stats

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| 1 | Heracross | 34426 | 21.196% | 26958 | 19.980% |

Still King, are ya?

| 5 | Roserade | 24195 | 14.897% | 20049 | 14.860% |

Still doing good, but you need higher usage

| 15 | Mienshao | 17317 | 10.662% | 14639 | 10.850% |

YES! Show 'em how pro you are, Mienshao! This thing is the best scout in UU, with U-Turn and Regenerator, and mighty Hi Jump Kicks!

| 17 | Crobat | 16903 | 10.407% | 14689 | 10.887% |

This is well deserved. Crobat stands in UU as the premier Anti-Meta UU Pokemon. He beats Heracross and Roserade 1v1, resisting their STAB's (But Must Be Wary of Extrasensory or Stone Edge), and KOing in return with Brave Bird. Also destroys Scrafty, Mienshao, and Virizion to some extent. Don't forget Shaymin.

| 20 | Ambipom | 15462 | 9.520% | 13687 | 10.144% |

Keep Falling! Keep Falling! Keep Falling!

| 24 | Cofagrigus | 14231 | 8.762% | 12072 | 8.947% |

Cofagrigus is amazing in UU. No wonder it took a skyrocket. Both OTR and Physically Defensive sets are amazing. Also once of the best answers other than Crobat, to Heracross and friends.

| 31 | Scrafty | 13014 | 8.013% | 10619 | 7.870% |

This is disappointing. Scrafty is amazing with two awesome boosting moves, great stats, and great typing. How sad to see him not even Top 30. He's one hell of a dangerous Pokemon and needs more love.

| 33 | Tornadus | 12098 | 7.449% | 9933 | 7.362% |

Considering how stupidly powerful Tornadus-I is, this is quite good. Keep it up Tornadus!

| 38 | Machamp | 11175 | 6.880% | 9154 | 6.785% |

STOP.USING.MACHAMP. He's outclassed by every Fighting-type and needs to just exit UU.

Dafuq is this? This thing continues to get high usage even after BoTB and Ranking Thread.

| 53 | Mesprit | 1882 | 3.674% | 1584 | 3.739% |

Why is Mesprit so low in RU? She is a fantastic Pokemon here! She can set up Stealth Rock, beat two common spinners, and scout! Not only that, she can set up weather for weather teams, and even go offensive with either Scarf, Specs, or CM! She is a fantastic Pokemon in RU and I don't know why she is sitting this low in the usage stats!

| 57 | Cinccino | 1597 | 3.118% | 1296 | 3.059% |

Could this actually break into RU? If it did that would sure be nice! He's quite powerful so it's no wonder!

My Reaction to NU Stats

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All your opinions on Pokemon seem to be determined by the Bottom of the Barrell article or the viability rankings threads lol.

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Well, not all but most. Some of these even come from my personal experience with them, particularly Cofagrigus and Stoutland. Mesprit's low usage also shocks me. Anyways, considering how high Ambipom is in UU, I am convinced we need two new rules: "If you use Ambipom in UU, you will be banned from PS" and "If you use Wartortle in NU and above, you will be banned from PS" to simply get people to stop using these pieces of shit. I've tried both Wartortle and Ambipom and I can confirm that they suck.

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Ambipom isn't that bad, it does decently if you use good sets like Beat Up and Choice Band.

Overall, these stats are sort of a mixed bag. I know there's a popular BP team, but ugh Ninjask gtfo of OU, it doesn't deserve OU especially compared to stuff like Kyurem and Abomasnow. Seriously. Genesect at #1 in OU is no surprise.

Well, not all but most. Some of these even come from my personal experience with them, particularly Cofagrigus and Stoutland. Mesprit's low usage also shocks me. Anyways, considering how high Ambipom is in UU, I am convinced we need two new rules: "If you use Ambipom in UU, you will be banned from PS" and "If you use Wartortle in NU and above, you will be banned from PS" to simply get people to stop using these pieces of shit. I've tried both Wartortle and Ambipom and I can confirm that they suck.

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From an objective viewpoint, even if the rules would make the tiers healthy, it would result in a lot of complaints (as it would get some newcomers to tiers banned for just considering Ambipom in the first place, without any foreknowledge of the ban prior). I instead sometimes advise people to not use Ambipom in a calm manner, instead redirecting them to usage of Mienshao or someone else instead.

That said, my personal experiences are what bring me my viewpoints as well. I undergo experiments with multiple Pokes on a semi-regular basis. It helps satisfy my stall fetish while also giving me a more open mind towards some Pokemon in general. Furthermore, sometimes it takes me losing to a Pokemon repeatedly to get me to use it (back before Whimsicott dropped to OU, I condescendingly laughed at it; I learnt from my many losses to it on PO and used it myself).

However, not even I can justify some stuff with practice, such as Mandibuzz continuing to be used in RU. ;_;

These are pretty interseting stats for OU. Cloyster being at #20 kinda suprises me (a bit high), as does Tornadus-T being at #27 (a bit low). Genesect being #1 and Politoed being #2 is a bit annoying, but I'll live. Mienshao is fallen off the face of the earth, being at #79. That's what happens when you become UU I guess! Ninjask is a bit wtf in OU again but if he somehow keeps itself in OU range then I guess I can stop using Rock Blast in NU. Also...

| 56 | Abomasnow | 23077 | 2.980% | 20730 | 3.312% |

Could this be the time that it drops? Abomasnow would be interesting to use in a lot of the tiers (who knows where it could end up, lol) and I would certaintly be interesting in testing its wallbreaking capabilities without hail.

In UU, Blastoise at #3 is really cool, considering it was RU at first. Cofagrigus has finally gotten some well-deserved respect in UU, being #24 now. RU isn't ever getting him back now!

I don't think UU is going to change for a really, really long time, although I almost never see Dusclops, Houndoom, or some other dwllers nowadays, so I'm wondering how they are still at 5% usage. Also Virizion is only at #45, which is a bit of a shame - I though it would be used a bit more.

For RU...
| 1 | Sceptile | 10082 | 19.684% | 7879 | 18.598% |
IT'S ABOUT TIME. Sceptile is a really awesome Pokemon and has deserved this #1 spot. Also Dusknoir being at #12 is a bit wierd, but I don't think Dusknoir is bad (I don't care what you think, its pretty good) so I'm not complaining. Cresselia will most likely be a top 10 mon next month, since it is so good, and I'd love it if Roselia could be NU - even though its pretty good in RU. Scolipede scould sneak in there too.

In all seriousness though, I have been playing a lot today and I've seen an absurd amount of Ninjask on the OU ladder. The shocking thing about it, is that I find that I don't actually have a whole lot to deal with it. Passing a few speed boosts and a swords dance to a Dragonite absolutely wrecks my team. I'm not claiming that my team is as good as most of the more experienced players' teams, especially considering I made it just this morning, but I was still surprised to see that Ninjask seemed to be faring pretty well. The only reason I was able to beat the players that had Ninjask is that they weren't very skilled players using them (someone passed +3 speed, +2 attack, and a sub to a Conkeldurr instead of the Dragonite he had when I had a Techniloom at +4 on the field. Bullet Seeded on the switch and KO'd).

Is there something to this new use of Ninjask? Could it actually be not only viable, but effective in the OU metagame?

that doesn't make any sense...cresselia is in BL2, thus banned from UU. This is the RU usage stats btw...

cloyster is in number 20 in OU,and that's way too high...I'll just blame it on chomp.

Meloetta is number 44 in UU...what the hell? It's stats are godly, and I hope people realize
that relic song doesn't need to be on every set. It has a great mixed movepool as well, but
it should really concentrate on special. Chansey needs to drop to UU, it just has to, especially considering
the importance of lefties recoveries in UU, due to increased entry hazard spamming in UU. And heracross and other fighitng
types will just fuck chansey over anyways. Also thank you Antar for the usage stats, we appreciate your work.

Not suprised here. Such a good and veratile pokemon however I still don't personally think it's broken by any means. Although thats another converstation for another time and considering i've been out of the meta for a while my opionion means nothing.

Glad to see im not the only one tearing teams apart with Breloom. Technician + Bullet Seed, Low Sweep and of course Mach Punch is just soooo good not to mention the classic Poison Heal set is still good. Suprised at Gliscor, honestly thought it would be lower.

| 11 | Garchomp | 81762 | 10.559% | 62597 | 10.002% |

Yay for the return of Chomp. Honestly thought he would be in top 10, especially with the hype of his return. Also just wondering since i've only just got back in the metta this month was Chomp here for the whole month or did he get released a little in?

| 16 | Terrakion | 76309 | 9.855% | 57266 | 9.150% |

For such a good and potent pokemon was expecting him to be a bit higher.

| 20 | Cloyster | 68587 | 8.857% | 53586 | 8.562% |

Really WTF I dont remember Cloyster being that good. Honestly think he's punching above his weight at the moment. He is easily revenged and isnt a great user of Ice Shard unless he's smashed. He can spin and set hazzards but he's outclassed in that role imo. Cant belive he beat Mamo.

| 27 | Tornadus-Therian | 55958 | 7.226% | 43932 | 7.020% |

Seriously thought with rain so dominate and this guy so damn good in it he would at least be top 20. Guess i've been proved wrong.

| 39 | Landorus | 45095 | 5.824% | 35188 | 5.622% |

If this is Landorus-I which im pretty sure it is this is way way to low. Seriously this guy is one of the most unpredeictable and best pokemon in OU currently and he's only 39. I mean if pokemon like Cloyster are used more than him I just dont know.

The last two pokemon I wanted to talk about. I think they are both too low. Deoxys-D is the best hazzard setter in the game and Latias is better than Latios in this metta atm imo. It checks sun pretty well does pretty well agaist rain, it's better defensivly than Latios and it's offesnive sets are just as good imo.

I'm not sure why anybody gets upset over charizard usage in any tier. The people responsible for this aren't even smogon members. They probably aren't even gamefaqs or serebii members. Just guys who heard about the simulators and decided they would have fun using their favorite Pokemon. Or guys who haven't played Pokemon in years and would rather not buy the games.

The fact that charizard is even mentioned in that article seemed really silly to me. The people who do use him don't read articles like that anyway. And considering that I've outsped him with the likes of Lugia (with no speed Evs) the few times I have seen him, that should explain a lot.

Can't wait for shadow tag release and then this asshole will move back up. Honestly, this and Heracross practically define the UU teambuilding process. And heracross has way more counters and checks than chandy.

| 21 | Gligar | 15131 | 9.316% | 13233 | 9.808% |

Functions well in this metagame, with so many fighting types running around.( I'm staring at you Heracross).

| 34 | Honchkrow | 11941 | 7.352% | 9376 | 6.949% |

By far one of the most underrated mons in UU. Looks horrible on paper, with those 'defenses' and SR weakness, but when you use it in battle, it can sweep teams in a drop of a hat. Perhaps its better if it stays low, so that less people will use it :S.

| 18 | Swampert | 15983 | 9.841% | 14390 | 10.665% |

| 26 | Slowbro | 13339 | 8.213% | 10949 | 8.115% |

| 32 | Empoleon | 12256 | 7.546% | 10776 | 7.987% |

| 37 | Milotic | 11221 | 6.909% | 9344 | 6.925% |

| 39 | Suicune | 11038 | 6.796% | 9289 | 6.885% |

Whats with the relatively low usage of non-blastoise bulky waters? Probably the lurking threat of SubCM raikou I guess.

Arguably Swampert shouldn't be too affected by SbCM Raikou (it mostly runs Hp Ice because it gives superior coverage), but I do think Raikou affects the viability of most bulky waters... Swampert isn't even that low into the list to begin with.

I always thought Krookodile was used as a weaker Heracross of sorts, I'm not surprised to see him so low.