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Bilderberg

Here are some of my (and others) musings on those focus on Bilderberg. Tony Gosling started pushing his stuff
through Land is Ours a few years ago, and I rang him as soon as I saw it, to see if he knew
of whose other fantasies Bilderburg attracted, and he did. So I left it as I
did not care much for the Land is Ours anyway so it reputation was not my concern. But glad to see they eased him out over this.
As I have found other commitments always more pressing so been a while till I put thoughts down in writing.

So here for now are some of my comments from my emails and publicly circulated
emails of others, some from a while back, so they may read bit odd and repetitive
when taken out of email context (without seeing what I am responding to or knowing
readership I am addressing) . Any feedback, corrections or comments welcome.

where he says:
"Well-known book 'Warrant for Genocide' attempts to prove the Protocols
to be a forgery."

So he he knows of the Norman Cohn's book which not only attempts but
does actually prove they are a forgery. Why does Tony Gosling want to
put this simply as an 'attempt'. This book brings together proof that
has appeared before in many places including the Times in 1921 showing
how they are based on Dialogue aux Enfers a satire against Napoleon.
Does Tony Gosling believe this earlier work was not published?
Warrant for Genocide is well worth reading for it overview on evolution
of anti-Semitism, but some info on the forgery of the Protocols can be
found at: http://www.masonicinfo.com/protocols.htm

He says "Some elements, led presumably by Zionists or other Jews, attempt to suppress discussion of the document, even though it usually leads to the conclusion that the documents are forgeries." I think most are just keen to point out how bogus the document is, and wary of those such as Tony who take an interest in it, like many would be wary of those who point to written child porn to understand child-adult sexual relations.

Well I suggest people do read Norman Cohn, Warrant for Genocide: The Myth of the Jewish World Conspiracy
and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, (London: Serif, 1996 (1967)).

I don't doubt that in Tony's eyes Spotlight's corespondents seem like 'a sincere,
concerned pair', (Tony G in Squall) but for him to publish that is a apology
for Nazis. And to offset this Tony's may describe Spotlight as the 'sometimes
seemingly xenophobic right- wing magazine', but for me this is not enough to
excuse his praise. But he praises them even more later in his article in Squall.

Tony G is still pushing the ex-spotlight crowd at: http://www.americanfreepress.net . He does not just link to a particular page on there site in a footnote ref but generally pushes them as a source for understanding the way the world is. He can't see anything far right about them. I hope you do better because I think that would be quite telling of your politics.

RIGHT WOOS LEFT - 3

by Chip Berlet, Political Research Associates

Liberty Lobby

Among the most influential ultra-right groups in the U.S. is the virulently anti-Jewish Liberty Lobby. With its newspaper Spotlight, Liberty Lobby
spreads racialism across the U.S., and serves as a bridge to the
paramilitary and neo-Nazi right. The Washington Post has described Spotlight
as a "newspaper containing orthodox conservative political articles
interspersed with anti-Zionist tracts and classified advertisements for Ku
Klux Klan T-shirts, swastika-marked German coins and cassette tapes of Nazi
marching songs." That description is actually mild.

Spotlight, with a readership of some 200,000, claims it is neither
anti-Jewish nor pro-Nazi, but one article referred to the Waffen SS, the
elite corps of ideological Nazis, as a "multinational anti-communist mass
movement, which was, in fact, the largest all-volunteer army in history."
The Spotlight also celebrates neo-Nazi skinheads and the apartheid
government of South Africa.

Liberty Lobby, Spotlight, the International Revisionist Conference, the
Institute for Historical Review (IHR), Noontide Press, and IHR's Journal of
Historical Review are all projects of Willis Carto, one of America's
most influential racial theorists. Carto is described by the London-based
anti-fascist magazine Searchlight as the "leading US publisher
of anti-semitic, racist and pro-Nazi material."

Carto and Liberty Lobby were influential in creating the racialist Populist
Party and were primarily responsible for elevating David Duke to national
attention as an electoral candidate. In the spring of 1985 the Populist
Party held a major meeting in Chicago where the armed and confrontational
activities of racist and anti-Jewish groups in rural America were saluted as
"heroic," according to persons who attended the meeting. One group
of rural
farm activists from the Midwest left the meeting after complaining that too
many of the attendees were obsessed with Jews. (A series of political and
financial schisms has ended the direct relationship between Liberty Lobby
and the Populist Party, although both groups still share many of the
fundamental anti-Jewish and racist theories.) The forces around the Populist
Party believe a conspiracy of rich and powerful Jews and their allies
control banking, foreign policy, the CIA and the media in the United States.
Like Duke, they also believe in an America controlled by white Christians of
exclusively European heritage.

The pseudo-scholarly Institute for Historical Review is a "revisionist"
research center and publishing house that popularizes the calumny that the
historical account of the Nazi Holocaust is a Jewish hoax, an idea central
to Carto's worldview. According to researcher Russ Bellant, early in his
career Willis Carto produced the magazine Western Destiny, which grew out of
the Nordicist Northern World and a vociferously anti-Jewish magazine called
Right. Right recommended support for the American Nazi Party and was edited
by E. L. Anderson who was associate editor of Western Destiny. Critics and
co-workers of Carto claim E. L. Anderson was a pseudonym for Willis Carto.

Liberty Lobby staff and supporters helped stage the 1978 meeting of the
World Anti-Communist League, a group that networks fascist movements around
the globe. According to the Washington Post, Liberty Lobby workers
distributed publications including Spotlight at the WACL meeting. A few
years later, after a change of leadership and some mostly-cosmetic
housecleaning to oust a few ardent Nazi groups, WACL came under the
leadership of retired General John "Jack" Singlaub. Singlaub used
WACL to
raise money and support for the Contras, and Singlaub and WACL were
implicated in the Iran-Contra hearings for having served as a cover and
money laundry for the activities of Oliver North.

While the John Birch Society trumpets jingoistic patriotism laced with
conspiracy theories, according to scholar Frank P. Mintz, the Liberty Lobby
voices "racist and anti-Semitic beliefs in addition to conspiracism."
Mintz
explains:

Structurally, the Lobby was a most unusual umbrella organization catering to
constituencies spanning the fringes of Neo-Nazism to the John Birch Society
and the radical right. It was not truly paramilitary, in the manner of the
Ku Klux Klan and Nazis, but was more accurately an intermediary between
racist paramilitary factions and the recent right.

The Liberty Lobby is thus quasi-Nazi, promoting many of the themes of
fascism and racial nationalism, and certainly networking and being used by
persons and groups who are neo-Nazi. The harshest critics of Liberty Lobby
say that it should just be called neo-Nazi, arguing that formulations such
as quasi-Nazi are academic rather than useful.

Former staffers at both the Liberty Lobby and LaRouche's group claim both
outfits have cooperated closely on several projects. In the March 2, 1981 issue
of its newspaper Spotlight, Liberty Lobby cynically defended the relationship
this way:

It is mystifying why so many anti-communists and `conservatives' oppose the
USLP [U.S. Labor Party--LaRouche's original electoral arm, ed.]. No group has
done so much to confuse, disorient, and disunify the Left as they have...the
USLP should be encouraged, as should all similar breakaway groups from the Left,
for this is the only way that the Left can be weakened and broken.

More recently, Spotlight has distanced itself and Liberty Lobby from the LaRouchians
over the issue of the LaRouchians' questionable and illegal fundraising activities.

Space Bunny says:

My main problem with pushing of focus on Bilderburg is that is disempowering.
We don't need to discover hidden truths about who controls our destinies but
to forge revolution though our own self activity. Our oppression is open under
capitalist social relations, it is not particularly relevant what goes on at
Bilderberg, what the plots are made, to understanding the key to the creation
of a true human community with the world held in common.

That I hope to expand on in a text when I find time. It is a pity I do not
have text prepared now. I have other priorities. I reckon where I am at and
what I say has little resonance with those that work with Tony G. My criticisms
of Tony G are not so much persuade him or his associates to adopt my world view
instead of theirs but to put clear space between them. His views are incompatible
with mine. I wish to explain this to those who think they can have one foot
in both camps.

Capitalism oppresses us openly. One does not have to have an hidden true revealed
to get better of it. I am sure capitalists do conspire but it is not main force of history and
there is no useful practice to be had from looking into them. Also it does not surprise me that they have closed meeting; I go
to closed political meetings as well. Like minded people with interests in common
tend to get together. The power to attack them lies in taking control of our
lives back at our end.

The bilderbergers are a group that are ideal for people to project their fantasies
onto, in case of Tony Gosling who is main person to push anti-bilderberg stuff
in activist milieu it is his believe in Revelations. See his website www.bilderberg.org,
he used to have some well dodgy far right links on that site. Also he writes
to MPs complaining how Bilderberg undermines the nation state. Is this the way
forward?

The lists of people that went around after who attended was bollocks. Most
Bilderberg watchers did not even bother to try get near Bilderberg conference.
Spotlight's (paper known for it holocaust denial stance) reporter just got drunk
and did not stick around for conference, just made his report up. Apart from
the dodgy agenda of most anti bilderbergers their research is generally crap
when they do any, just usually just repeat each other. I heard of no one photographing
people at airport as they came in, cars too fast at meeting place.

The power those who attend Bilderberg meeting hold is not from attending Bilderberg
but from there positions they hold in organisations that openly excerise their
power. Unless attending so permits other powers such mind control (Lord of the
Rings style). That is why to protest at a Bilderburg meeting is not comparable
to protesting at the World Bank AGM or the G8.

As Bilderburg is a private meeting that little is publicity released it allows
all sorts of people to project there fantasies onto it. For revolutionaries
who want to change the world for the good there is little in following Bilderberg.

The letter below is by Eric Lee, who runs the well-known Labourstart site on
the net. He has given permission for its further circulation. Basically he has
given Tony Gosling the boot after finding that this so-called "Bilderberg
expert" and admirer of nazis was using Labourstart's name to add to his
left credibility.

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Dear Tony,

As I'm sure you'll recall, when we sat together on that Green Party conference
panel in Leicester last November, I cautioned the audience -- and you -- about
the dangers of becoming anti-Semitic when one adopts a conspiracy theory of
the world. If I remember correctly, you agreed with me. You are concerned about
the Bilderberg group, the Masons, and so on, but you made a point of assuring
everyone that you are not anti-Semitic.

Imagine my surprise at discovering that among the "Good Links" on
your website is a link to the most famous of all anti-Semitic forgeries, the
"Protocols of the Elders of Zion". And if this were not enough, your
description of the link -- in your own words -- is that this document is "interesting"
and "fascinating" and you indicate your own suspicion that it might
be evidence of "a Zionist conspiracy" rather than merely "anti-Jewish
propaganda".

Though I have not had time to go through all the other links on your page,
I understand that several point to the works of well-known Holocaust deniers
and other anti-Semites. (Your link to David Irving's site is, fortunately, no
longer working.)

It is absolutely unacceptable to us that LabourStart news headlines appear
on such a site. I believe that you mislead me -- and others -- when you attempted
to distinguish your own conspiracy view of the world from that of the extreme
right. Frankly, Tony, it appears that you identify very much with anti-Jewish,
extreme Right elements which are correctly perceived by leftists as our enemies.

I have deleted your link from the Labour NewsWire Global Network page and insist
that you remove the line of code which provides a Labour NewsWire feed to your
page -- immediately.

I am sharing this message with our colleagues in Leicester who invited you
and me to that conference. I am happy to see that, at least, they do not link
to your website from their own.

Eric Lee

Tony G often uses as a defense his involvement in various left leaning groups so it is good people in these groups question his involvement

Tony G points to interest of Mike Peters in Bilderberg but does not take on board Mike Peters advice that far right writters such as Antony Sutton offer little help in furthering our understanding of them. Tony Gosling makes mistake of believing that like him Sutton can't be far right as he is against the Nazis in exposing what they believe is the shadowy group of Wall Street bankers that brought both them as well as the Bolsheviks to power.