Played a few games earlier, having played only a handful of PES11 games last year, but I liked the demo. Nothing to shout to the moon about, but it looks slicker, the robotic movement seems much more improved, regardless of players still moving in 45 degree angles, it does look and feel better. Hope they simplify Master League to the way it used to be, never got on with it last year, seemed to complicated. Took the buzz and novelty of ML away from me, that did.

Suicide Messiah It baffles me too as to why Konami are releasing 2 demos. They claim it's because it gives people chance to get used to the off the ball running thing. That's a load of shit if you ask me. There's time for that after the next demo, not to mention actually getting used to it in the full game.

I still don't think PES 12 is good enough, especially after having a good session on FIFA and going back to PES demo, or the other way around even. But, it's probably the best one since PES 6 which is a big plus i guess. This demo is actually staying on my system so far this year anyway whereas last year it was literally gone after about 2 minutes.

-Shooting, passing, crossing still all seem a bit random/automatic sometimes, crossing more so (which has been the case in every PES ever, you'd think they'd have improved it by now, feels dated especially compared to FIFA's unbelievable accuracy and precise control with everything)

-Whenever i cross it, the player making the run always automatically runs about a mile too far and won't stop. Just will not go to the ball. Same with corners too when i'm the one making the run in the box, even though i'm running, he just carries on regardless.

-Refs are meh, thought they were good at first but the more i play the more awesome perfectly timed tackles i make which somehow result in a foul.

-Keepers are probably the worst i've seen in any football game ever. Seriously, how can they be so bad? If you have a half decent long shot (which isn't hard) it will either go in, or it will just hit the keeper and fall to you for a tap in.

-I do prefer the look of the game though compared to FIFA.

But despite these faults, i don't actually mind playing it, it's a nice change.

So, the fact that there is actually another demo coming out gives me hope that the full game will actually be alright. I know it might be hard to believe PES fans when they say the newer code is 1000000x better, but surely they can't release a demo which is the same as the first one. So there is hope.