This tape was made February 12,1986 at the University of Capetown. This was the second trip Carl and Ruth made to South Africa. They were more familiar with the setting but still enthusiatic about the tasks. They were also flushed with the success of the recent conference at Johannesburg where the 36 small group facilitators after finding deep, deep differences in the pre-conference preparation sessions discovered they could work together in the small groups.

This synthesis of the new
sciences has been presented many times and appears in Beyond Carl
Rogers: Towards a Psychotherapy for the 21st Century, David
Brazier, ed., in The Person Centered Reader, Carol
Wolter-Gustafson, ed., and in French in Processus Non Lineaires
d'Intervention, Paul Carle, ed.(excerpt)

Presented at the Fifth
International Forum in the Netherlands, it is in answer to the
question "What it was like to work with Carl Rogers?"
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This study of creativity (1964) is a
work of many years including research studies (the first was the Holding Power
Project in which Ruth was invited by the NY State Department of Education to
design research for the problem - why do some students drop out of school early
and other students remain to graduate from high school), collaborations,
statistical measures, and special courses like EXP ( a title chosen by students,
was a partnership of teachers, students, and parents in the process of education)
that was written up in the second and third editions of Freedom to Learn.
Carl remarked when he read it, for the first time, in the 80's,
"Ruth, I had no idea about your work on creativity! Why, there are four or five
doctoral dissertations here! Five!"

These forums within a
conference or International Forum started with a short address
from Ruth after which she threw it open. They have served to
discuss contemporary work and research and also as a platform for
those who hadn't spoken at the meeting. This first one was in
Tampa, Florida.

This third forum was in
Kutztown, Pa., May, 1996. Ruth began with a short paper on
"The Psychotherapist of Tomorrow" to lead into discussion.
Among the topics pursued were current work, other
approaches, outreach, labor relations and the PCA, and increasing
official recognition of the PCA in Michigan and Germany, ....

One summary of Ruth's
experience in education in response to the question "How
does the Person - Centered Approach apply to education in South
Africa. See also her description of the EXP program in Freedom to
Learn For the 80's, Chapter six, pp. 108-111.