“”For the FIRST time, the Florida Bar is confirming the general nature of the two ongoing complaints lodged against Casey Anthony defense attorney Jose Baez.””

==================The Matter in Question=================

COMES NOW the Defendant, Casey Marie Anthony, by and through her undersigned attorney, and, pursuant to Florida Judicial Administration Rules 2.330(h), moves this Court for Reconsideration of the Court’s Order Granting State’s Motion for Sanctions/Motion to Compel, and Requests this Court to Vacate Findings of Contempt, and shows…
read herehttp://www.wftv.com/pdf/26455761/detail.html

The above link is no longer working. Below is what I saved on the matter in question.

In compliance with this Court’s order, counsel for the Defendant (Baez) and his office labored to provide all of the information requested. The documentation was approximately three hundred pages. Said defense wanted to fax the said documentation, but due to the fact that it was approximately three hundred pages in length, the Clerk’s office declined. As a result, Mr. William Slabaugh, Esq. of the Baez Law Firm drove from Kissimmee to Orlando in an effort to file the documentation before the deadline. He was thwarted by the Interstate 4 traffic, arriving at the Orange County Courthouse at two minutes after 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday evening the 14th of December of 2010. Mr Slabaugh was doing his best to substantially comply with the deadline, despite its volume. Please see Affidavit of William Slabaugh attached hereto as Exihibit “F”.

The traffic was heavy your Honor!!

See Section 6

Incidentally, Mr. Mason did hand deliver the entire package to both the State Attorney’s Office and the Clerk of Court the next morning December 15th. Most importantly, this good faith performance included all of the documentation that was not due for another 8 days, December 23, 2010.

DR. JANE H. BOCK (Expert)
University of Colorado
Ecology and Evolutionary Biology Dept.
Boulder, Colorado 80309
1. Dr. Bock curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 1.
2. Dr Bock’s field of expertise or medical specialty is Forensic Botany.
3. If Dr Bock were called to testify, her specific subject area will be Forensic Botany.
4. The substance of the facts which Dr Bock would be called to testify, would depend on the following:
• Whether the State calls Dr. Hall as an expert witness.
• Whether Dr Hall’s opinions are approved by this court as being based on scientific principles (Frye
challenge)
• Whether Dr Hall can effectively survive cross examination.
If this Court should allow Dr Hall to testify, Dr Bock would be called to rebut his findings dealing with the recovery site and his conclusions based on viewing photographs of the recovery site.
5. A summary of Dr Bock’s testimony can be obtained from viewing her affidavit as listed under exhibit 2. She would rebut Dr Hall’s where he claims that he can determine the growth rate of roots, when he doesn’t even know the type of plant and without having viewed the root and seeing them from un-scaled photographs.

DR. SCOTT FAIRGRIEVE (Expert)
Chair, Department of Forensic Science
Laurentian University
935 Ramsey Lake Road
F-323A, Third Floor, Science 2 Bldg.
Sudbury ON P3E 2C6
1. Dr Fairgrieve’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 3.
2. Dr Fairgrieve’s field of expertise or medical specialty is forensic anthropology.
3. If Dr Fairgrieve were called to testify his specific subject area will be that involving cadaver dogs.
4. If Dr Fairgrieve were called to testify would depend on the following:
• Will this Court for the first time in the history of this state admit testimony concerning cadaver dog “alerts” as substantive testimony.
• Will this Court allow a canine to testify, via a dog handler, given Miss Anthony’s 6th amendment rights to confront her accusers and despite the fact that all “alerts” in this case are unrecorded, and resulted in negative results for human remains?
The substance of Dr Fairgrieve’s testimony would depend on the above and to rebut the testimony of the cadaver dog handlers in this case.
5. Of course a dog cannot testify. In the event that the State attempts this unusual tactic, a summary of Dr Fairgrieve’s testimony is that cadaver dogs are a tool and nothing more, absent the finding of human remains in their searchers, very little can be ascertained from such alerts.

DR. HENRY LEE (Expert)
University of New Haven
Forensic Science Program
300 Orange Avenue
West Haven, Ct 05616
1. Dr Lee’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 4.
2. Dr Lee’s field of expertise is Criminalistics.
3. If Dr Lee were called to testify, the subjects that he will render opinions on are crime scene analysis, collection and preservation as well as recovery.
4. Dr Lee inspected the Pontiac Sunfire driven by Miss Anthony. Dr Lee also inspected the recovery site photographs and also inspected the recovery site.
5. If Dr Lee were called to testify, the substance of the facts that he would be expected to testify would be to rebut any false claims raised by CSI investigators in this case. Until that occurs it is difficult to give a complete summary of his opinions and the grounds for those opinions.

DR. WERNER SPITZ (Expert)
23001 Greater Mack
St. Clair Shores, Michigan 48080-1996
1. Dr Spitz’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 5.
2. Dr Spitz’s field of expertise is forensic pathology.
3. If Dr Spitz were called to testify, the subject that he would render opinions on are his autopsy findings and those of Dr Garavaglia.
4. The substance of the facts that Dr Spitz will testify is that on December 24, 2008, he conducted a second autopsy on the decedent and found no signs of trauma and could not find a cause of death.
5. The summary of Dr Spitz’s testimony would relate to the condition of Caylee Marie Anthony’s remains and her cause of death.

DR. KATHY REICHS
1818 Craigmore Drive
Charlotte, NC 28226
1. Dr Reichs’ curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 6.
2. Dr Reichs’ field of expertise is forensic anthropology.
3. If Dr Reichs were called to testify, the subjects that she will render opinions on are forensic anthropology.
4. Dr. Reichs completed a full anthropological exam on Caylee Marie Anthony, she found no signs of antemortem trauma to Caylee Marie Anthony’s remains.
5. If Dr Reichs would be called to testify, the substance of the facts that she would be expected to testify to would be to rebut any false claims raised by the State’s forensic anthropologists. Until that occurs it is difficult to give a complete summary of her opinions and the grounds for those opinions.

DR. TIM HUNTINGTON (Expert)
Asst. Prof. of Biology
Concordia University, Nebraska
800 N. Columbia Ave.
Seward, NE 68434
1. Dr Huntington’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 7.
2. Dr Huntington’s field of expertise is forensic entomology.
3. If Dr Huntington were called to testify, the subject matter that he would render opinions to testify, the subject matter that he would render opinions on are forensic entomology.
4. The substance of the facts that Huntington would testify to are to rebut the claims made by Dr Haskill in his report and any testimony that he may provide in that regard. The only exceptions that Dr Huntington does agree with are the insect identification (including coffin flies) and he agrees with Dr Haskill that Caylee Marie Anthony’s body decomposed at another location and NOT the recovery site.
5. Dr Huntington’s opinions will agree with Dr Haskill that there were NO coffin flies found in the trunk of the Pontiac Sunfire, and that based on the insect activity her remains decomposed at another location. If Dr Huntington were called to testify, he would rebut any other claims that were not based on any scientific explanations.

DR. KENNETH FURTON (Expert)
University Medical & Forensic Consultants, Inc.
10130 Northlake Boulevard, Suite 214
West Palm Beach, Florida 33412
1. Dr Furton’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 8.
2. Dr Furton’s field of expertise is forensic chemistry.
3. If Dr Furton were called to testify the subject matter that he would render opinions on are forensic chemistry.
4. If Dr Furton were called to testify, the substance of facts that he would testify to would relate to the cadaver dog “alerts.” And those opinions rendered by the Oakridge laboratories.
5. The substance of Dr Furton’s testimony would if the were called to testify to are that the cadaver dog is a tool, not a witness. He will be able to testify about the procedures and limitations of cadaver dogs, as well as the odors of decomposition and the limitations in sound scientific principles currently used in decompositional odors.

DR. BARRY LOGAN (Expert)
National Medical Services, Inc.
3701 Welsh Road
Post Office Box 433A
Willow Grove, PA 19090
1. Dr Logan’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 9.
2. Dr Logan’s field of expertise is forensic chemistry.
3. If Dr Logan were called to testify the subject matter that he would testify to is forensic chemistry.
4. If Dr Logan were called to testify would depend on the Court admitting for the first time in any State air samples tested by Oakridge Laboratories.
5. The summary of Dr Logan’s testimony is that he disagrees with the methodology employed by Oakridge laboratories in their “Forensic Report.” That the science employed is not recognized in the scientific community.
DR. JOHN LEESON (Expert)
1208 Wolverine Trail
Winter Springs, FL 32708
1. Dr Leeson’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 10.
2. Dr Leeson’s field of expertise is digital forensics.
3. If Dr Leeson were called to testify the subject matter that he would testify to is digital forensics.
4. Dr Leeson has reviewed the reports issued by State experts Sandra Cawn and Kevin Stenger.
5. If Dr Leeson would be called to testify, the substance of the facts that he would be expected to testify to would be to rebut any false claims raised by the State’s forensic computer experts. Until that occurs it is difficult to give a complete summary of his opinions and the grounds for those opinions.

DR. WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ (Expert)
16465 Old Frederick Rd.
Mt. Airy, MD 21771
1. Dr Rodriguez’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 11.
2. Dr Rodriguez’s field of expertise is forensic anthropology with an emphasis in taphonomy.
3. If Dr Rodriguez were called to testify the subject matter that he would testify to would be forensic taphonomy.
4. Dr Rodriguez has reviewed all reports dealing with the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony and those specifically discussing decomposition.
5. If Dr Rodriguez would be called to testify, the substance of the facts that he would be expected to testify to would be to rebut any false claims raised by the State’s forensic experts dealing taphonomy. Until that occurs it is difficult to give a complete summary of his opinions and the grounds for those opinions.

RICHARD EIKELENBOOM (Expert)
Poppeswegje 36, 8077 RT Hulshorst
The Netherlands
1. Richard Eikelenboom’s CV is attached as exhibit 12.
2. Mr. Eikelenboom’s field of expertise is DNA, crime scene analysis and trace recovery.
3. If Mr. Eikelenboom were called to testify, he would testify in the areas of DNA, crime scene analysis and trace recovery.
4. Mr. Eikelenboom has reviewed all of the reports and photographs taken at the recovery site and has personally inspected many of the items.
5. If Mr. Eikelenboom would be called to testify, the substance of the facts that he would be expected to testify to would be to rebut any false claims raised by the State’s forensic experts dealing with DNA, crime scene analysis or trace recovery. Until that occurs it is difficult to give a complete summary of his opinions and the grounds for those opinions.

DR. MICHAEL FREEMAN
1. Dr Freeman’s curriculum vitae is attached as exhibit 13.
2. Dr Freeman’s field of expertise is that of a forensic Epidemiologist.
3. If Dr Freeman were called to testify, he would testify in the area of forensic epidemiology.
4. Dr Freeman is still in the early stages of consultation, the defense has notified the State of this, he was listed in an abundance of caution to meet the deadlines set by this court. No further information can be provided at this time.

Jose Baez was sanctioned in January by Chief Judge Belvin Perry and made to pay a fine for this what THEY call “willful violation” of a court order. I see nothing willful about it and I definitely see no violation.

In my opinion, Jose Baez did an excellent job of compliance. Notice the 5 criteria’s are nicely listed just as Judge Perry ordered. Ex-State Attorney Jeff Ashton should have been a happy guy but in those days of heated debates and hearings, nothing was good enough when it came to Defense Attorney Jose Baez and his hated client Casey Anthony.
Nonetheless, I don’t recall reading a detailed expert probable testimony list coming from the State Attorney’s Office. Shouldn’t both sides have to comply to the judge’s order?

Next…

Judge leaves a big mess in wake of his resignation

On to Judge Strickland’s weary resignation speech. I can only speak on my own behalf but in my opinion, it was Judge Strickland’s choice, a very poor one at that which provoked his recusal from the Casey Anthony case.
He admitted he read the Casey Anthony blogs. He had his court deputy approach this blogger in his courtroom while the cameras were rolling. What was said between the blogger and he is not audible but be that as it may, he said he complimented the blogger which is all fine and dandy.To take it a step further…
Weeks later, when Marinade Dave announced he was in the hospital for complications of diabetes, he posted his phone number on his site asking his readers to call him. Judge Strickland, made another bad decision. He called the blogger.

This blogger was in every sense of the word Anti-Casey Anthony. Other than verbally slandering everyone else, the Defense attorneys included, his only rule was to protect the Anthony’s from verbal attacks. No Cindy or George bashing. Other than that the blog was run of the mill meaning no different than the hundreds of other Casey Anthony blogsites.

Besides the “Ode to Judge Strickland” plastered on his homepage and of course the bragging of the judge’s call to him, on March 18, 2010, Marinade Dave made another reference to Judge Strickland. On an older post, not the current one most of his readers were using, under a comment I had made, he posted this.

I’m back. I had lunch. We all went out. Jose and gang, Linda Drane Burdick and
company. I told them we wouldn’t all fit in Waffle House, but dang! We did.
Cheney Mason even picked up the tab – plus, he left a big tip! Judge Strickland
was telling funny jokes the whole time. I coughed in my coffee, it was so
funny. The only sad part for me was that they all ate dessert, but I couldn’t.

What is a fine defense lawyer such as Cheney Mason to do? Would it be ethical to have this knowledge and not ask for this judge’s recusal? If Casey, while being tried in Judge Strickland’s courtroom were found guilty of 1st degree murder and facing the death penalty, wouldn’t this be an enormous cause for appeal?

Jose Baez and Cheney Mason acted in the best interest of their client Casey Anthony. This judge had to go.
After the recusal, when it was announced that Judge Belvin Perry Jr. would preside over her case, the blogging community screamed with joy knowing Judge Belvin Perry’s death penalty record was a good one.

Of all of the judges in the Orange County Courthouse, he would be the one who would make sure the needle was stuck into Casey’s vein. The only thing standing in the way was the jury.
In a televised interview, after Casey’s acquittal, Judge Strickland tells Nancy Grace that the jurors had it wrong. The jurors were misguided because Juror #3 said she was sickened by the verdict.

In Judge Strickland’s interview with Nancy Graceless, clearly both seem misguided because “not guilty” does not mean innocent. It simply means there wasn’t enough evidence to prove her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. So be it.

Has anyone forgotten this is America?

And then there’s the matter of probation…

================Matter of Probation================

Not long after he made these statements, he corrected his sentencing order for Casey’s check fraud convictions and forced her to serve one year probation even though she was freed after her murder acquittal. Even though Casey Anthony had a signed document from Orange County Corrections congradulating her on her completion of probation while she was in jail.

=================Matter of Timing================

On the same day, as the Florida Bar is confirming the general nature of the two ongoing complaints against Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez there’s talk that Judge Strickland’s appearance on the Nancy Grace show has led to a Judicial Qualifications Committee complaint against the judge.

Incidentally…

There another bombshell in waiting in the wings. Yesterday, Judge Strickland announced through his counsel WFTV’s legal analyst, Bill Sheaffer that he will step down after 17 years of service. December 31, 2011 will be his last day on the bench.

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What in the world is “Wondering” talking about?… I guess they don’t understand that it’s usually not that cut and dried and black and white. I know what matters to ME is the TRUTH, and how the truth came to be, is an important part of the discovery. Whatever the case…

HI Sam, I agree, he is going down. too bad the others that help him with his addiction weren’t charged, hope they do someday. I think they prob charged him with the most they could to get a conviction. By that I mean because other Docs had been giving him meds during the same time. And the fact of some of the mistakes LE made about during investigation. I have been at hosp with a dear friend since Tues nite so I saw some on tv. I heard one news account that if CM signed a contract and was paid and money spent b4 the jury convict him he could get by with it legally. I heard (media lol) that there is a book and documentary in the works. IMO there is no way he would get not guilty. I also heard he prob wont have to spend much time in jail if convicted. Gonna go catch up on sleep, catch up here later. Hugs to all.

Wondering? Are you ok? I’ve heard nothing about inverted crosses… And, though, I’m new here and I don’t personally know either of you, but how could you possibly know about JB’s family values, and what would your purpose be in making comments irrelevant to what this site is about?

Do you have any idea what Paganism is even about? You should maybe do some research before you speak on a subject, cuz this is NOT a good look for you, whoever you are. I am not a Pagan, but here’s one fact for you:

Did you know that the reason Christians started worshiping on SUNday instead of Saturday was due to the Catholics trying to convert the Pagans? SUNday was a Pagan day of worship IIRC. Pagans are not devil worshippers. LOL 😉

Okay, I was right. It was os, but you use a different name there. Typical bitter person just calling people names. Bitter bitter bitter. Perhaps it makes you feel better. But does it???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Wondering, from what I’ve seen, this is not really the place for all that drama. If name-calling is your only defense/argument, then no offense, but that only says to us that you have no basis or grounds to be speaking from. There are Casey-hater sites you can go on and cuss people out at random, if that’s how you like to do these things.

wow how sweet that i am being considered the worst person in the world who boosts Anti – Christian ways, and talk of inverted crosses… please tell me where?

because i love me some Christians and i LOVE me some Jesus, so not sure why all this hate for me when i HAVE NEVER DONE A THING TO THIS WONDERING PERSON WHO HAS A HAND FULL OF NAMES THAT THEY POST AS AND IS THE PERSON WHO HAS SAID THE MOST FOUL AND DISGUSTING WORDS I HAVE HEARD IN A LONG TIME!! EMAILING ME CONTINUOUSLY ALL THESE HATEFUL WORDS, THAT I AM JOBLESS, UNEMPLOYABLE, A DEVIL WORSHIPER AND NEGLECT MY CHILDREN, EVEN SO FAR AS TO DIS MY CHILDREN AS FREAKS AND OUTCASTS LET ALONE CALL ME A FREAK AMONGST OTHER FOUL WORDS AND THOUGHTS, SERIOUSLY, THIS PERSON DOESN’T EVEN KNOW ME AT ALL!

give me a break already – WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SLANDER AND IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE

oh and what you have said about JB and disclosed personal information, regardless if true or not, is ALSO CRIMINAL, you don’t even know JB, so stop your nonsense with her as well

and NTS, has been nothing short of nice to each one of us here, so you can stop your nonsense talk about NTS too,

because YOU or your minions don’t know a thing about ANY OF US!!

BTW did you know that pagans worship nature, and kindness, and love? most Indians follow this path, are you also calling the Indians, Buddhists and other religions that follow the path of nature devils worshipers, christian haters, and neglectful parents??

jesus would def be crying at these hateful words and horrific display of lack of civility and love towards another human, especially when it is unwarranted, as all these hateful investigations, words, emails and posts… jesus would, no scratch that, jesus is crying for this misguided soul…

and catoutloud, thank you 😉 i surely don’t let the really mean person (s) get me down, i have never been a hateful person, to anyone, esp to those that think, speak, spell, are colored, are educated or uneducated, are employed or unemployed, or have a different religion then i do, so i have nothing but sadness for this person (s). just complete and utter sadness for them 😦 poor things, you gotta know that it must be very painful to live in their head and in their lives, so instead of letting them “freak” you out, it is best to find all the goodness and love you can muster and pray for their lives to one day be filled with love and joy…

That’s the spirit SpiderGirl 🙂 It can be frustrating to deal w/such people, but in the end you just end up feeling kind of sorry for them, embarrassed for them even. And I hope they are able to open up their minds in the same way that you have. I bet they’d love to have the like in their corner if they were ever to find themselves accused of ANY bad thing… NOT because we’re blithering, blubbering, gullible mushy messes, but because we take the time to look deep and see beneath the surface of things and speak up about it, even though it may go against the flow of things. Any searches on ANYONE here would uncover questionable things! LOL

“Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I’m not perfect and I don’t live to be. But, before you start pointing fingers, make sure your hands are clean.”

“The road of life is rocky and you may stumble too. So while you point your fingers someone else is judging you.”

Goog day to all 🙂
After reading KCs transcript in the ZG civil
suit, I had to drop by and share my utter disbelief of John Morgans nerve!!
From what I gathered, every accusatory question he arrogantly asked KC was a complete fabrication of his criminal mind.
Soooo very obvious he was positive the depo would be released to the media, his failed attempt of giving the haters a show cracks me up!! … tee…hee….
Did anyone catch at the end of the depo where JM said something along the lines of, So many are going to be upset (many being haters) because I didn’t ask the questions about Caseys prior work at Universal or inquire about her current employment.
Huh ? Yep he’s a smart one….. Slip up or he don’t give a lick if everyone knows he’s doing this soley for publicity.
Mr.Morgan makes me cringe!!! I have never loathed anyone as bad as him!!
I’ll sum up his lies,
Casey got ZGs “very personal” info off of an “application” that ZG ” filled out ” at Sawgrass Apts on June 17th 2008 to cover up her involvement in Caylees death.

Sorry Mr. Morgan but Casey talked of Zenaida Gonzalez since April of 2006, just ask Richard Grund. And according to Mr.Garcia , he filled out that so called application (guest card) and that personal info you speak of……that You accuse KC of telling LE ….details that match your clients personal info… LMAO….
NOTHING matched…NODA…ZILTCH
Have you not figured out that Your client ZG is too stupid to understand that LE knew 2 of her childrens names from the guest card at sawgrass and they used that to identify her as the ZG from Sawgrass.
Then he goes on to say that KC never told LE that his client was not THE nanny ZG.
(oh yes she did!!! She saw the picture and said NO she’s too old!!)
I could go on, but I won’t …..
Does Mr.Morgan actually believe what he says?
Casey really could have took the bastard on, she would have made him look like an idiot!!
Why is Mr. Green making KC look guilty?
Why won’t he let her speak?
Seriously the truth will get this case thrown out. It’s really bothering me!
IMO Casey should sue M&M for harassment and defamation , she’s got a better case against them than they have on her.
BTW could ZG be charged with forgery for claiming to be then signing legal documents ZFG? And what would the bar think of Morgan having his client forge documents?
Bottom line,,, ZG defamed herself when she claimed to be ZFG aka Zanny the Nanny instead of ignoring the media or simply telling them I am not now nor have I ever been associated with the name Fernandez.

TALLAHASSEE — A special state Senate committee created in response to the death of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony and acquittal of her mother, Casey, wants to make it a felony to lie to law enforcement officials when a child goes missing and is hurt or killed, punishable by five years in prison.

Sen. Joe Negron, R-Stuart, chairman of the Select Committee on Protecting Florida’s Children, proposed revising the law that currently classifies lying to law enforcement officials investigating crimes as a misdemeanor. Negron’s measure would make it a third-degree felony for anyone to “knowingly and willfully” give false information to law enforcement officers conducting an investigation involving a child 16 years of age or younger.http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/lying-about-missing-children-could-become-a-felony-1949708.html

Spidergirl, you never need to defend yourself here. I highly respect Paganism and know some about the persecution of Pagans. It seems it was a hatred of femininity that sparked it. It’s obvious that whoever posted it’s devil-worshipping has some self-reflection and learning to do.

I love love your vent about Morgan, Indygal! It still shocks me that Casey is allowed to be deposed by such corruption. I also saw some scary stuff on Facebook recently directed towards the jurors, who I still maintain did a fabulous job.

Oh wow…lol..hal just will not allow me to tell you good morning NTS! so if you read here…I have been trying to say – GOOD MORNING!!..lol…damn…someone has to go so out of their way to stop kindness its crazy!

good morning Misty and Hal says he doesn’t moderate, but the machine does. Hmmmm. perhaps we need a morning code. How about “konichiwa!! Joemama!” They will never know and we could also create an entire thread of code here for them to figure out and create a real code on twitter. lol

GOOD FRIDAY EVENING EVERYONE! WoW! I have been super busy all week and now I seem to be getting another sinus inf. Thanks for the thoughts and prayers emails. My lil friend (76 yr young) is doing lots better. Her heart was beating super fast, but she got to go home today.
Hello to our new folks, welcome back to those who I haven’t seen in a while, SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU! 🙂

OKAY, I am “WONDERING” what the heck its up with that piece of rubbish? I guess since they were beginning to bite one another backs over at the hate house, they had to run over here and sling their foaming mouths. LOL and THEY CALL US TROLLS? You know that they can t stand it that we all get along and even when we don’t agree, we agree to disagree. You know like grown ups do! Sorry that they are being so rude and hateful in their stupid spewing they do Spidy. We love you so dont let them get under your skin, That’s all they are trying to do. We know who they are, BY NAME and LOCATION! LOL 14 times!

OK, going to catch up from way back. HUGS TO ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL WEEKEND!

Here is a sad and strange story: Who is it here that lives in NJ? This lady drowned her daughter then committed suicide. But this is crazy how she “committed suicide” She supposedly drank PAINT THINNER, slit her wrists and then filled her lungs with water! Dang I cant hardly stand the smell of paint thinner let alone DRINK IT! Her husband is a partner in a New York based insurance company.http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/somerset_county_officials_say.html

Hello! Been reading your blogs for months now but am very shy in commenting on a blog with a large reader base. I feel the blog you’ve written on bullying, is so important, that you need to know how I used your blog to teach my children; and, I applaud you for writing the article and addressing this horrible issue. Today, I sat down with my five children whose ages are between 12 years and 5 years and read your blog on bullying to them. We keep a constant, open dialogue about bullying and I wanted them to know why, we as parents, make a big deal about bullying and why they need to tell an adult at school immediately, or call me if they feel bullied. The examples used in your blog hit home with them as I observed their jaws drop while responding with sadness for the child and young adults mentioned.

Also, because I have four boys, i wanted to drive home the point that they should never choose to tease, taunt or put down a peer, even if the “group” is behaving this way. I’m proud of them so far because I know they do not tease, taunt or hurt other peers but thought your blog could be another tool in reminding them about just HOW HARMFUL bullying is and how a person can respond – even by harming themselves. They need to know this even if it is sad topic.

I also told the four that attend a public charter school, that if school ever became a place of fear, they have the option of being home-schooled by me. I am a teacher although I left left the place I taught at, last June, for many reasons…

I also want to add that with the advent of online schools for kids of all ages, parents now have more choices in educating their children. My eldest son has Dyslexia and is attending an online school at home. We removed him from public school in the third grade because he was still reading at a first grade level, while having to endure daily teasing openly in class about his reading problems. Don’t ask me what his teacher was thinking in allowing this, because obviously she wasn’t.

And because I was working, I was fortunate enough to have my retired mother, facilitate the learning process along with myself. He is now in the fifth grade and is reading at grade level although it takes him longer, naturally, to comprehend text. But now, has the love of learning that I have, and is learning French in the fifth grade! I want to tell other parents who may be frustrated with public school, that it has been my experience, that a good online school can provide a free and superior education to that of a public school. My husband and I are considering this option for my other four children while taking into consideration the financial ramifications of living on one income in this current economy. So SB thank you for writing a POWERFUL article that brings more awareness to this situation not only to adults, but to children as well:) I hope you don’t mind me putting in a plug for online schools on your blog, I figured you would find it useful information. Have a great weekend.

hey sonja, great to see you here!! very glad you did finally post, you are amongst some fine folks here at the mission 😉 and it is even greater that you were able to utilize JB’s post to educate your children on the horrific thing called bullying… what an awesome message to teach yours, just awesome. your children are very lucky to have a mom like you, one that would take the time to teach them the harsh reality of what bullying can do to a person’s life and mind, especially to those that are weaker by nature and can’t deal as easily. your a rocking mom for that!!

howdy missionites, just wanted to wish you all a SUPER sat and weekend !!!

JB has offered a lot of educational awareness on many issues. The greatest is that she delves into the heart of a subject and not just her opinion but pros and cons for all sides. IMO Sonja, it is so nice to read the benefit you have gained from JB’s post on bullying.

Hello My Virtual Friends!!! Hoping you are all Enjoying this first weekend of NOVEMBER!!! Can you believe it!!!! OH DONT FORGET TO TURN YOUR CLOCKS BACK AN HOUR BEFORE BED, IF you are in a place that follows this practice. IF NOT, just take an extra hr of sleep and blame it on me teeheehee!

Great Post Sonja!!! Yes, I too have learned alot from these fine folks! JB is awesome!!!

Misty & Comment, that really was a terrible thing about that mother/dtr. After reading further, I think it actually happened in GA, but they were from NY. I guess they had family in NJ? According to the article she was 45 and husb 59 and had been married abt 5 yrs. Friends said she went through great lengths to have a child. She underwent fertility treatments for more than a year before Allison was conceived. Hard to understand what someone would be going thru to do something like this after going to such lengths to have a child. Hopefully it was investigated indepth. There are 70 something comments and some raise a point that he husb’s ex wife also committed suicide last Sept! I don’t know if that is true or not so I hate even repeating but brought up a flag to me. I see 48 HRS has stuff like this on there a bunch. Sad….

Sonja,
Your boys are very lucky to have you for a Mom. Bullying, I call it tarmenting because that is exactly how it feels.
For the teacher to see this happening to your son and ignoring it is beyond ignorance. She had a chance to change a child’s life and blew it in the school system.
I took my son out, like I said in my comment because if they couldn’t do anything, then I could. He got a job doing most everything and was very responsible in spite of school.
He had such a yearning to learn, went and got his GED and from then on he had always known what he wanted to be, a teacher.
I was so proud of him. He was a wonderful teacher and if there was any bullying, he stopped it quick.
All of the kids loved him and I know that before he died he was a great influence on all of the kids, even theones doing the bullying thought the world of him.
I’m thankful for the short time that he got to teach, he not only had them wanting to learn the 3 R’s but also that bullying doesn’t pay off and is not accepted.
They say teachers can’t do this, I say oh yes they can! : )
Good luck to you and your family. It looks like you are teaching them the priorities.
BTW, I’m also a little shy blogging, but I’ve learned a lot myself from JB and her bloggers. : )
Thanks JB!

AKMimi
If the info about the prior wife committing suicide is accurate, then it is definitely a MAJOR red-flag. If he has two wives who committed suicide then they should definitely be looking into what motive he may have had to get rid of his wives.

If that info is NOT accurate then the woman may have killed her child and herself as a result of post-partem depression/psychosis. I can’t think of any other logical reason for it.

Sonja- Hi! I’m new to this blogging and posting thing too, LOL. I’d say this seems to be a safe place to start. Welcome aboard!

Sam…this link is for you re CM trial. The way it reads that must be unamious for guilty or not. So I am assuming otherwise would be a mistrial? Also because of new laws, if he is convicted, he may not spend any time in prison due to overcrowding, would be poss at county jail. He still gonna have to deal with Medical Boards, so he is going to lose his licenses. I figure they didnt charge more than they did because of some of the sloppy work by LE or could it be that he was still rec demeroil from Dr Klein? I think a bunch should loose their lic in this case. IMHOhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/conrad-murray-trial-jury-first-day-deliberations_n_1077420.html?ref=crime&ir=Crime

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome and for reminding me to set my clock back too:) I live in a state that ranks near the bottom rung with respect to education which is one of the reasons I elect not to teach in the current system in the state where I live! I’m working on a learning a new career that isn’t fraught with endless issues where i actually can make a difference. This is a fun, conducive to critical thinking blog where I learn from both the blog and the commentors alike! Have a wonderful night. There is a snow-storm in my neck of the woods and the power keeps surging tonight. Heaven forbid should it go out, my Saturday night reading and fun would be derailed:):)

Sonja seem so crazy so many of ya’ll having SNOW lol! We have been having 67 wonderful sun shining weather. 80% rain poss Tuesday. I truly am enjoying while I can. Just wish I felt better. But I am on the up side of feeling better. Silly cold. Hope you dont lose power! Stay warm…

So in catching up, I see that ole Dr G is gonna have JA and crew on her “tv show” on Jan 1. In reading an article about it, she says she has said she wouldnt talk about it on her show, but after alot of people asking she is gonna do it. (paraphrasing) GAG! She just doing it for ratings, IMO just as anyone else doing anything about Casey. And why is it ok for certain people to do, yet others are talked so horrible about? Dont understand folks being two faced. I guess ole Jeffy’s book should be coming out real soon so I suppose he will be making the rounds… Oh yep I will read, no boycotting here. I want to be able to make an informed comment when I make one on it. LOL, dont worry those crazy haters will buy anything just to have something to fuss about! I dont want to go by hearsay when I make a comment. IMO. I put CM book on my wish list for Christmas hee hee hee

Oh goodness, just on our news late due to football, Anyway, there is a 14 yr old girl from Memphis missing. Her mom said she went to take out trash and has been missing since. She was conversing with others on internet and posing as 20 something! Praying for her safe return!

Hello Everyone!!
It’s so nice to be home!! I’ve been on vacation for the past 10 days…I guess you’ve noticed. I took the step to make it a real vacation..meaning no computers so now I’m going to have to get a big cup of coffee and do some reading.
I just found out that Conrad Murray’s trial is in deliberation now. Hmm.. Honestly, I haven’t paid much attention to the trial..only in bits and pieces, In any case, I do feel Dr. Murray is culpable in Michael Jackson’s death, even though I find the victim somewhat at fault too. Sadly, I feel Michael Jackson would have died anyway. IMO, There’s no way he could have continued using hardcore drugs as he did and survived. He’s lucky he lived as long as he did so maybe in a way CM extended his life. We’ll never know.
Considering CM is only facing 4 years, I believe he’s guilty and should spend at least a year in jail to set an example that no medical doctor choose money over ethics because I do think money played a big part in what he did. Using propofol in a home setting is totally unacceptable and I think he knows it. Ok..so that’s what me thinks about that.. 😀

Saying prayers everyone is safe in OKlahoma. Saw where they had a 5.2 earthquake a lil bit ago, and at least 3 total Saturday! WOW, sure have been having a bunch of earthquakes around the globe it seems. Anyways, praying for safety to those affected.

Jb,
I want to thank you for having created this blog and getting me through the Casey Anthony trial,, my family I am sure was beyond tired of hearing me blabber on and on.
You and the old crowd made me and my thoughts feel welcome.
However this will be my last comment.
I would normally suck up my feelings and move on without commenting but I feel the need to share.
Asides from Sam, (thank you Sam)
Your new commenters, for reasons unknown to me, ignore me / my comments existence .
I pop in from time to time and never get a Hi Indygal or a nice to see you Indygal from single one of them.
I’ve always been the black sheep of my family, I’ve grown up with very few friends,
It’s pretty bad when I am the outcast in blogosphere.

OH I hope you had a great relaxing time JB!!! Yep I think CM should serve time too if found guilty. I too feel he is guilty of some things he should have known better than do. My husband had an emerg quad heart bypass in 2005, and then had prob with his lungs so they had to put him back on vent, when they were fixing to give him the meds to put to sleep to put back on vent, they called it milk of amnesia. And thats the same thing that CM gave MJ, tho I do feel CM is responsible I feel MJ prob did self medicate. Shoot he was still getting 200 mg of demeral from Dr Klein and 1 m of that drug lorazapam (sp?) while CM was giving his set of meds. CRAZY! Sadly I am so sure this cont to happen. Look at the news ever so often one of these wealthy people die from this practice! SHIVERS

indygal, i am so sorry that you are not going to post anymore 😦 and that you have been made to feel that way, but i hope you know that i enjoyed our exchanges and your posts always… hoping you reconsider and that i get to see you again 😉

Indygal, I hate that you feel that way. I give a shout out and sometimes there are alot and I am afraid to exclude anyone so I sadly make a generic Hi to everyone. Like Spidy said enjoy your post and hope that you reconsider. Will be watching for you. Hugs my dear, Mimi

Aww.. Hi Indygal!
I’m so sorry you feel this way. I know I’ve been pretty much off site too but not because I want to, it’s because I’ve been busy working and tending to my family. I just got back from vacation too.
I understand why you feel this way but I hope you drop in from time to time to share your thoughts or just say hello.. I can’t speak for the newer people as to why they don’t acknowledge you. Honestly, sometimes they don’t acknowledge me either… lol but I don’t take it personally.
The way I see it is… now that we’re off of the Casey Anthony case, there’s other discussions going on that I’m not even familiar with..such as the baby Lisa case and the Dr. Murray trial.
When we were discussing KC EVERYONE was on board and sharing ideas and theories so I think at that point we all acknowledged one another. Does that make sense?
IndyGal, I always felt so in tune with you. I just like the way you think. You know that. 😀 Remember when it was just you, Snoop, Zuben, Omar, Midwest Mom, Comment, Damagepets, Hazaka, and a couple of others.. I can’t remember at this moment??? But you remember..sometimes it was you and Snoop on a topic and I was discussing something with Damagpets or Zuben. It just depends on what topic you were interested in so I think that’s why.
Please don’t feel like an outcast. My God, that’s the LAST thing you are! ((((hugs)))) You know the Anthony case like the back of your hand and added LOTS of valuable information here so PLEASE do not under estimate yourself. Lots of your contribution is what made this blog so interesting.
So don’t feel bad! 😀
BTW, There’s the ZG lawsuit coming up which I can’t wait to get into. If you don’t feel comfortable now Please come back during the civil trial, OK?
I NEED your thoughts and input! 😀 OK?
Hugs,
JB

Welcome Sonja,I’m glad you found some value in that article. Bullying is one of my pet peeves. I abhor a bully! Like you, I have sons which btw, one is Dyslexic too so I can definitely relate. 😀
I want to ask you…have you ever checked into an eye doctor for your son’s dyslexia?
Amazingly, when my son was in 6th grade he was reading on a 3rd grade level. I had no idea because although he wasn’t an “A” student, he was passing.
The reason his problem went unnoticed for so long was because he had a great memory which is why he was able to pass tests in subjects like history and science. He wasn’t reading the material, he was just very astute in class. As he told me later, he paid attention and faked it. He found ways of getting out of reading out loud.
Kids..huh?
It wasn’t until I was trying to get him into a private school did I find out just how badly this child was reading. He was tested and that’s when the truth came out. The dean of the school recommended that I have him see a optometrist. Believe it or not, it worked. So don’t lose hope, there are things that you can do for Dyslexia and don’t forget “Lighthouse for the Blind” They recognize dyslexia and will help your son if he wants to go to college.

So if you can, Check into it but I want to warn you. Not all optometrist do this and some people think it’s BS but I want to tell you, it worked for us.

Indygal, I understand how you feel, there is a lot of interaction between some, and I often leave when my input is of no interest, then once in awhile someone gives a remark to include my comment. I have decided that if I have anything to say, I’ll just do it because it just gets it out of my system and not expect any intimacy. In my case I believe it is me, because I don’t go any farther than on the blog, with emails or anything like that to invite close relationships because I don’t just want to agree or disagree to please. If JB has no qualms about my coming in once in awhile I will
whether I get discussion or not. Other blogs seem to be the same, some people seem to be very close others just comment and that’s all. Best to you, hope you change your mind and can enjoy continuing.

Indygal,
Thanks for reminding me. Unfortunately, I haven’t read the transcript yet but I can just imagine what kind of idiot questions M&M are asking. However, I recall how Miknik handled G&C. He asked the MOST ridiculous questions, many having nothing to do with ZG’s claim of suffering financially because of KC.
IMO, M&M were working for JA & LDB. He was trying to get incriminating evidence from the Ants. The only thing KC did was put ZG on the map. lol
ZG was a nobody before KC. And I do NOT believe the general population of Orlando EVER believed ZG took Caylee. Especially THAT ZG.
This is all total BS, imo.
Indy, if you have the link to the transcript, please post it.
TIA

((hugs)) Indy..I apologize if I haven’t commented in response to some of your recent posts..I know many times I just come zinging through here and right back out many times…lol..everyone’s posts are always read by me and meaningful…I appreciate everyone here and all their contributions to the blog…WELCOME back JB!! Hope you have enjoyed yourself!! :)..I think some lost goat from Texas came wandering to the blog the other night spreading manure in true troll fashion. Mean people suck. Have a good day all!! 🙂

ZFG? And what would the bar think of Morgan having his client forge documents?
Bottom line,,, ZG defamed herself when she claimed to be ZFG aka Zanny the Nanny instead of ignoring the media or simply telling them I am not now nor have I ever been associated with the name Fernandez.

Indygirl, did you see that link Addie posted a ways back, I will try to find it. It is of Mr. Green and Jean Carsarus (sp?) he made some very good points. And IMO I think the reason he isnt having Casey speak is because as we all know, M&M wants to be the one to “MAKE CASEY TALK”. I think Mr. Green is a very smart attny. I will see if I can find that link. Have you ever gone to M&M site? LOL they have a paypal set up for folks to contribute to ZG! I learned that from Matt Morgan twitter. I dont know much about these lawyers but just seeing how things have gone in politics thru the yrs, I wouldnt doubt if young Matt doesnt go into politics in the future, his daddy is a big Democrat fund raising guy, heck they had Pres Obama at their home in October! Tell me that I am wrong about this: you are on first name basis with heavy political folks, fundraising, are attny for civil case against the person who the media has claimed is most hated woman in America? Esp right now while its still hot and think of all the free publicity. If not politics, they have something big on their agenda. IMHO, of course.
Please reconsider because I only found this wonderful place during the trial and its home now. So many wonderful friendships I have made. I converse with Omar and Blam still away from her, and they still read thru as others. And now with the Holidays upon us some may get busy. I still like to come and talk to everyone.
I feel like everyone one is extended family. That this case brought us to a certain place for a reason.

I just had a thought… We ALL have reasons to be Thankful for, sometimes in our darkest moments we think we don’t, but if we get still a second and think about it there is ALWAYS something, and if you think of 1 you can usually think of many, the first being GOD has given you life. I am THANKFUL FOR EACH ONE OF YOU WHO IS READING THIS. AND FOR JB FOR ALLOWING ME TO POST HERE!!!

Another thought in reference to Casey… This will be the first Thanksgiving and Christmas and New Year and the many other holidays to follow that she hasn’t been in jail. Sadly she doesn’t have her baby girl. She will always be in her heart. I know she is Thankful for those she has around her who have her best interest in mind. I feel sure she is a stronger young lady than she ever has been. GOD has blessed her with caring people and I wish her the very best life has to offer, as I do each and every person on EARTH. Sadly it will be a very long time that every move Casey makes will be critiqued, as is most when someone doesn’t like them. Some folks need to look in the mirror IMO.

And I hope she doesn’t go the way sadly as Lindsey Lohan has done. She was given more slack than many and it seems (media coverage my only source of knowing) but it seems she didn’t feel what was ordered applied to her. Now she will spend her Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year in jail.

Well I am off to the Christmas Craft Show we have here every year! I will see if I can find ya’ll something extra special! Anything special ya need? 🙂 Loved that extra hr sleeping in…. HAVE A WONDERFUL SUNDAY EVERYONE AND EVERY BODY!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

Ok, here is the link Addie provided. It is an interview with Charles Green, Casey’s civil attn in the ZG case. I agree with Addie, very informative. This is a repost, in case someone missed a ways back. http://youtu.be/LA6JIfy2YiM

Hi Indygal,
My cousin used to always say she was the black sheep of the family. I told her please don’t take that title away from me, I wear it with pride. It soon became a joke with us.
I know you weren’t joking though. I’m a new comer and I try to read and learn a lot.
I don’t know much about the ZG case and very little about M&M, but I appreciate you giving that information and I want to tell you so. Some times I just don’t know what to say.
I do know what I’ve heard there are a lot of lies coming from them and I guess we’re going to see that trial soon. I really dread it because it isn’t about ZG, it’s all about trying to get Casey. Those lawyers don’t give a damn about that woman. Who are they kidding?
If that was true ALL, of the ZG’s would be sueing because their name has put them in danger. Why would anyone think she’s the only ZG “effected” by this?
I think it this one sues, ALL of them chime in. It would be like the movie “Bees”
Are they going to try and get her into court also?
This is very disturbing to me, as well as the state making her pay, everyone and their dog sueing.
You know, I have an idea, since they all want Casey’s money since she doesn’t work, but they want her to work. I wonder how it would be for Casey just to do charitable work, like in a hospital.
Just an idea!

Hello All,
@lolypop, isn’t it amazing how all of these “unemployed” lynch mobbers are sooooo concerned about Casey not working? hahahahaha… I think it’s so funny. Who are they to talk? They’re on the internet 24/7 !! How do these people support themselves? Welfare checks, unemployment, a scammed disability claim? C’mon!
Geesh, if that’s their gig, sitting home on their asses, blogging at Hal’s everyday ..then fine. More power to you. But don’t criticize somebody else for not working, when you’re not.
Such hypocrits!
Oh & I’m sorry everybody that it took me so long to catch up reading today. I just caught “Wondering’s” rant on my blog. OMG, sometimes I think these people are obsessed with me. Is it LOVE?
It feels like I’m dealing with a jilted boyfriend who went-ALL-Stalker on me. I don’t believe there’s one thread at Hal’s that the Trash Mob doesn’t talk about me!!! LMBO! hahahahaha…
I think I’m going to sue them! I want my money!! LOL..
PAY ME!!! That’s right. I’m calling M&M tomorrow!!
@ Wondering!
What cha got?? Cmon … tell me! I dare you! hahaha!
You know Wondering.. I hate to inform you of the OBVIOUS..But I have more information on YOU than you’ll ever have on me. Believe me…You don’t have a clue! Do you think I really use legitimate names on my email accts?? hahahahaha!! Ya better get to digging. You’re not even close. Who’s your sleuth?? Inspector Gadget? hahahaahaaa!!
You’ve made me day dear! Thank you very much! 😀
Come back soon Honey! I can’t wait to read your next “melt down” Tick Tock 😎

TY Arkansas,
I’ll read it later tonight. Right now, I’m putting out the trash and spraying the Lysol. Tell me…What is going on at Hals? What is it that’s setting off the Goonies? LOL It’s like they have a melt down everyday lately!!!
We never mention their names…LOL That’s of course if they didn’t mention mine. 😀 hahahaha.. Right? And even then, I don’t single out any particular Goon…right?
hahahaaha..

JB, remember one that was in the mob had a brace around his neck? Probably most collecting unemployment AND I’m sure it would be easier for them to get SOME kind of work, where with Casey, it’s not easy for her or the one that hires her. I’m sure a lot would hire her, but feel the threat as much as Casey. It’s just wrong. PLUS, they’re all making total fools of themselves.
They aren’t doing anything to help anyone and if Casey got some volenteer work, it would help her in the long run and how could they get all of the money that she doesn’t have, nor will be able to get for a while?

Hi JB, hope you got a shower after what you’ve been dealing with lol. Have been busy this past week and havent ventured anywhere. No time for lurking lol. Spewing hate I would imagine. You have that right about you being mentioned in every post. Thats because they have to come here and read, just to have something to mull over. Hold on check out the latest count..

Well it looks like no one it getting the hits still except for articles about Casey Anthony, no matter how lame written. Well I guess ole Jeffy’s book should be coming out soon, so that should give them a new article, Just the same ole same ole. I have the feeling ole Linda Parisite is posting under a name, I will send you email to whom I feel it is. She also post on TCD. LOL talking about someone making money off of Caylee! WHEW you long on that site now and UP POPS ads that you have to close before you can read! lol And these haters spew about making money…

Just a thought, I keep reading about the judicial system being broken, The comments on this is in ref to the Casey Anthony trial. Its like they are saying everything revolves around THIS TRIAL. I believe because of the media coverage and twisting of it some things may change. Butto say that the judicial system is broken in this country because you dont agree with the verdict, thats like saying all brown haired boys are short! IMO, Or the idoits who want to rewrite the Constitution because of this verdict gosh I just have to laugh so hard on that one.

Yep I agree with ya JB, but those creepy hate spewers over at Hal’s are prob the paid posters they always talk about. LOL most of them prob paid by OS. IMO of course… Well off to bed, raked my front and back yard, which are pretty good size and now I am feeling it lol. Prayers for peaceful rest to you all!

Thanks Arkie,
I didn’t know what lit the fire under Wondering this time because I hadn’t posted on my blog in a week.
Well, I’m taking your lead, I’m off to bed too. I bet your yard looks really nice. 😀
lol, yes I got a shower and just finished laundry. Everything is all washed, dried and put away. Geesh..vacations are tiring.
LOL
I’m going to try and read the M&M depo tonight, if I can keep my eyes opened.
Goodnight and sweet dreams 🙂

Hi all. Welcome back JB. I’ve been on vacation too, a working vacation. I wasn’t missed like you though. 😉 Indygal, don’t you dare go anywhere. Us black sheep and spotted ones are the type that made the father of the nation of Israel strong. Remember that story? He took the sticks and laid them in the watering trough to assist in selective breeding. Smart man. It reminds me of taking my pussy willow twigs to make a fertility tea for rooting cuttings. I’d be hung as a black witch a few hundred years ago but things haven’t changed much. People still try to hang me with my words sometimes. I often don’t get response either, especially when I share the ponderings of the more abstract type. But it helps me to set my thoughts to words so I do it anyway. Thank you for sharing the low down on the civil case depo. I haven’t had time to read it yet.

Hello Zuben,
Welcome back to you as well. I hope your business vacay was profitable.
Yes, I concur! It’s the black sheeps that are the most welcomed at theJBMission. We have to remember why and how this site came to be.
Welcome ALL Blacksheeps! 😀

ummm for some reason… i think all of us up in the mission are the red headed step child that went against the grain 🙂 but we are the exact people that get the masses to understand things are not always what they seem… we are who create change in programmed thinking patterns…

or i could be wrong 😉 but i know i sure am, but i am proud of thinking differently

Good afternoon everybody!! I agree that this is a nice place to be. Heck you guys are even nice to the haters by not reacting with obscene comments back!

JB thanks for the info about vision and Dyslexia! He has 20/20 vision but get this: at 18 mos old he had surgery on his eye for Stribismus which simply means one of his eyes turned slightly inward! His eye is in line and on track because of the surgery but because dyslexia is about perception you’ve really got me thinking! Did your son have an issue like that if I may ask?

Okay, I’m probably about to ask the dumbest questions in the world about the Casey case but I’ve been wanting to know the answer to these since the verdict came in! So, since Ms. Casey was not found guilty does this mean LE is required to keep the case open? Could they bring charges against someone else if they found more evidence? Or, once a verdict is in, does that mean they close the case and discontinue investigating? I realize that not guilty doesn’t mean the person is innocent but it would seem to me that LE should continue looking into this case and now, from a different perspective? But what do I know:) So please tell me someone, what happens now? If anything?

Sonja, my son has ADD and Tourrette’s. I was advised by a very wise woman to take him to an eye specialist too. I never did but now I think I will! His vision is good. The only thing different about his eyes is that he can do that thing where he ‘shakes’ them really fast. You got me thinking too, JB!

Dr. Murray sure is glaring at the jurors. I suppose I would too if I was found guilty. Although given the circumstances, I would have pled guilty to avoid a trial. I think it took a tremendous amount of arrogance for him to deny his responsibility in Michael’s death.

Sonja, I have been wondering the same thing since the trial ended. Is the case closed based on the fact that they “feel” Casey is guilty, regardless. IMO that would be irresponsible of LE to let the case go. It is not over, in my book. The murder remains unsolved, partially due to the one-track-mind-set of the entire investigation. They should try and save SOME face by continuing the investigation until all options are thoroughly exhausted.

The case probably remains open, but is now sitting in the storage shed with all the other cold cases that went unsolved. I could be wrong about that, if LE truly still believes that this was a case of murder, as they tried so very hard to convince the jury it was. Since KC was acquitted, and cannot be retried, if LE does believe she is guilty, they will probably put the investigation on the cold case shelf, and unless some new evidence that indicates someone other than KC murdered Caylee, it will remain on that shelf forever.
When you think about it. If Jose’s opening statement was true, and Caylee did tragically drown, then there is no need for further investigation.
Also, if on the off chance LE did find someone else to indict for the murder of Caylee, it would make them look very bad for trying so hard to win the case against KC for the DP. It would also be a very hard case to prove, because of the case against KC. There was so much reasonable doubt involved in KC’s trial, the defense lawyers for any new suspect who have a mountain of reasonable doubt built right in.

Hi Sonja and everyone. I’m off to run an errand so I’ll just respond to Sonja right now.

Sonja,
I was advised to consult this eye doctor by the school’s psychologist because they have used this doctor for other children with dyslexia with great results.
This was new to me too but as I soon found out, not all optometrist offer this therapy. This doctor addresses dexterity. She offers therapy to professional atheletes such as baseball pitchers who need to have acute eyesight.
I’ll get back with you on all of the particulars and I’ll give you her name. She’s in the New Orleans area. I’ll contact her for you to see if she knows of other doctors in your area.

I agree Sam,
The whole time I was trying to picture Michael getting out of bed in those two minutes injecting himself with propoful and getting back in bed. Especially when Dr. Murray said he gave him a drip, Michael went to sleep and then Dr. Murray went to the bathroom to go himself,empty Michael’s bag and talk to a girlfriend.
I have been on a drug impendant for many years. You have to know exactly what they are. I can’t help if it’s for pain or other causes.
The doctor has to know and has to STAY with you.

thedeviledadvocate. I guess I never really thought of it that way. By default, any other suspects are protected, however , jb said that it was an accident. If a killer was found, that would make jb and kc liars. I think most folks take their story to the grave with them. Jb said, we may never know how caylee died. That one got me, that one made me think that kc is not sure that she drowned.

Evening EVERYONE! Sam, darn I missed watching the verdict being read. Yep figured he would be found guilty. I think there are others that should be charged for continuing to give him meds (ie Dr Klein). Sadly MJ was an addict and it was the ultimate reason for getting Dr Conrad in the first place. Correct verdict IMO.

I love this post from NTS posted on the Other Side!
Sorry JB 😦
90 comments total in the last 4 days since this thread started. This thread alone has probably yielded 400 comments in the last four days. This thread sits on the back page and is generating more post than all the stories combined above it. Stand by for hal to produce a new kc story, unless he is ready for this to fizz.

Arkansasmimi: thanks for noticing. Also, take note that the 90 comments were mostly about Andy Rooney. How will Hal keep the blog up if he doesn’t keep up on the kc news? Today, Morgan filed a motion to keep the D from deposing zanny. hal needs to pay attention.

1. ummm zanny, could you please state your full name and how you spell it for the record?
2. Is that the name on your birth certificate?
3. Have you ever seen kc before? and if not, then how did she know your information?
4. When kc made you her imaginary nanny, did anyone notify you?
5. How did you get into kc’s dreams? or imagination?
6. Have you been in other peoples imaginations and who are some of the other imaginary people?

I have a question for the haters out there, just “WONDERING” -Ok ole Jeffy the former Pros/States Asst Attny, is now going to be a Defense atty. Hmmmm what will you think of him when he is on the Other SIde? Hmmm Defending someone, as in what Defense Atty do…. I know you will be talking out both sides of your mouth as you do now lololol!

Go to this page (Morgan & Morgan web site) click on the Emergency Motion for Protective Order – which is under Latest News -and it will give you the Motion that ZG has filed not wanting to give her Depo on Nov 22. http://www.forthepeople.com/casey-anthony-case.htm#.TrGTsMc20Ko.facebook
ZG doesnt think its fair that KC is “hiding behind 5th amend rites” and “jumping ahead in line for depos”…. quite funny if you ask me, but then again who did huh 🙂

*** also as a side note, you will see the ZG pay pal account – in case you choose to contribute ;). Mr Green is wanting to know how much $ has been contributed, which is a legit question… IMHO of course.

Thanks NTS,
I’ll have to put 11/15 in a reminder. : )
I have a DVD that has Fogertys two boys singing with him. One reminds me so much of his Dad and they’re going to be just like him.
Up Around The Bend has always been one of my favorites and that’s the song the 3 did together.
I was so happy he was able to start singing his first songs again, but love his new stuff as well.
I just love him. : )

page 18 starting at about line 10 Morgan is asking Casey who is in the room then on line 16 jumps to where did you come up with the name ZG and Zanny the Nanny. Trying to trip then up lol

Go to page 19 line 19 thru 21, this is very interesting to me. The wording that Morgan asks the question, “Miss Anthony, isn’t it a fact that you learned of Zenaida Gonzalez and who she was when she visited you Sawgrass Apts and you were there”http://www.forthepeople.com/casey-anthony-case.htm
SO IS MORGAN TRYING TO SLIP HER UP OR DOES KC KNOW ZG? hmmm
ALSO, page 25 lines 16-18 carrying over to pg 26 thru line 8. Morgan goes on to ask KC if she is aware that as a result of false info kc gave to the police that Ms Gonzalez has received death threats and received phone calls threatening to kill her children… So my question is , WE ARE SUPPOSE TO TAKE ZG STMNTS AS TRUE ABOUT THE DEATH THREATS AND NOT THOSE AGAINST KC OR HER ATTNYS? For those who dont believe there are threats just read else where I have seen them! And I feel positive the judges feel they are credible too.