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samzenpus
on Thursday October 15, 2015 @02:58AM
from the do-not-pass-go dept.

JustAnotherOldGuy writes: A Ukrainian man who allegedly tried to frame cyber-security expert Brian Krebs has been extradited to the United States and is due in Newark federal court today, prosecutors said. Sergei Vovnenko, known as "Fly," "Flycracker" or "Flyck," is thought to have been behind a 2013 plot to send heroin to cyber-security blogger Brian Krebs, a plot Krebs himself said he foiled because he was monitoring the site where it was hatched. "Angry that I'd foiled his plan to have me arrested for drug possession," Krebs wrote on his blog, "Fly had a local florist send a gaudy floral arrangement in the shape of a giant cross to my home, complete with a menacing message."

Like my boss once said, having a police record is no recommendation in this biz. Yes, it means that you did something. But it also means that you were either too sloppy, to crappy or too arrogant to cover your tracks well.

It also might not help that Ukrainian authorities may have recently reevaluated the intensity of their interest in getting more cooperation from Washington.

If you are, in fact, secure in a country half a planet away, flaunting your impunity isn't as elegant as working silently; but has its virtues as an intimidation tactic: "You can't touch me, I can touch you; and even if you foil me this round I only have to get lucky once."

If you are in a country half a planet away that is just fine with stuffing y

More like one bunch of crooks was replaced by another bunch of crooks riding on the wave of nationalism. To make an analogy, imagine the most corrupt of Nixon's cabinet fighting over who gets to be the next president with no holds barred. This is more or less what happens in the Ukraine for the past 10 years.

And the route of Poland is basically to mooch off Germany. They receive the lion's share of EU subsidies, so much that even Greece is envious.

Like my boss once said, having a police record is no recommendation in this biz. Yes, it means that you did something. But it also means that you were either too sloppy, to crappy or too arrogant to cover your tracks well.

To find out whether the intrusion detection and logging mechanisms are doing their job well. If I can get in and out without the IDs and logs showing it, we have a problem. The primary problem is of course that I got in, but at least as big a problem is if this goes undetected!

To find out whether the intrusion detection and logging mechanisms are doing their job well. If I can get in and out without the IDs and logs showing it, we have a problem. The primary problem is of course that I got in, but at least as big a problem is if this goes undetected!

No....it would be... "A well known hacker working out of Ukraine was found with 3 bullets in his head yesterday". Sounds like it might work as a good deterrent knowing that if you keep this shit up, Seal Team 6 might pay you a visit with a double-tap to the cerebellum as a parting gift...

Ugh, why does the US get to force other countries to extradite people who violate US laws? They pressured Sweden into charging Julian Assange with sexual assault because of the leaked cables and then pushed the UK to keep him trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy under guard. Now they're forcing countries to extradite their own citizens for breaking US laws. There's no reason why other countries should be forced to follow US laws.

I've often thought it must be more fun when you don't feel compelled to base your opinions on actual facts.

It's called an extradition treaty, and it works both ways. Also, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that attempting to frame someone for possession of heroin and botnet-related crimes are illegal both in the US and in Ukraine.

Currently, he is not convicted, so legally he is only suspected to have tried to frame Brian Krebs for heroin possession. And thus the article said he was thought to be behind the framing. More will be known after trial, when both plaintiff and defense have presented their side of the case, and a jury and then a judge have decided.

Maybe you're not a US citizen so I will explain how it works to you. You are suspected or "thought" to be behind a crime. If the evidence warrants the charge a trial is conducted. The trial determines whether you actually did it. I know this must be confusing for some people living in countries where you are guilty immediately and the trial is just a show.

It's called an extradition treaty, and it works both ways. Also, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that attempting to frame someone for possession of heroin and botnet-related crimes are illegal both in the US and in Ukraine.

The U.S and Ukraine do not have a extradition treaty. He was apprehended in Italy, a country with which the U.S has a extradition treaty.
In any case with Kiev needing Washington's support in its fight with Russian backed rebels I doubt they would have much of a problem handing a politically-unconnected criminal over, even without a extradition treaty.

Since 2003, 33 UK citizens (including some with dual citizenship) have been extradited to the US, while 7 US citizens have been extradited to the US.

Not exactly equal numbers, but yeah, it actually does go both ways. It's not really too surprising that more criminals would be extradited to the US than from. This can be explained by the fact that the US is probably the world's biggest target, both economically and politically. For instance, there are many foreigners (and in fact, foreign countries) who counterfeit US banknotes. There's less motivation for US citizens to target foreign nationals or corporations than vice versa.

Or, I suppose you could chalk it up to some nefarious reason why the US government would want to harbor suspected US criminals, though I can't for the life of me figure out why they would want to do so.

Population is also a factor. Crimes warranting extradition probably occur at a rate of 1 per x million citizens. The US has 5 times as many people as the UK, and surprise, almost exactly 5 times as many extraditions.

For something that works both ways, there are very few cases where Americans are extradited to other countries. Take your pick as to why and one does not exclude the other.1) The US does not respect the treaty2) The US laws are more restrictive than the rest of the world3) The US are more about revenge than they are about anything else.

There might be other reasons:1) US criminals are so smart they never get caught2) All US criminals are already in jail3) Criminals rather stay in a US prison than in e.g. a N

This is backwards. You can only be extradited if the act is a crime in both the US and the other country, and if the punishment in the requesting country is not extremely out of line compared to the requested country's, so if the US laws were more restrictive it wouldn't increase the number of extraditions. On the other hand, many countries would like to extradite people from the US for crimes that are not a crime in the US, like for insultin

Ugh, why does the US get to force other countries to extradite people who violate US laws? They pressured Sweden into charging Julian Assange with sexual assault because of the leaked cables and then pushed the UK to keep him trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy under guard. Now they're forcing countries to extradite their own citizens for breaking US laws. There's no reason why other countries should be forced to follow US laws.

The US certainly has a...distinctly mixed...history when it comes to shoving around countries that it thinks it can get away with; but this guy is being extradited for breaking US law within US jurisdiction, just using the internet to telecommute to the crime site.

Since many crimes can only be properly committed in person, it's probably more common for extradition treaties to get called in when somebody flees from Country A to Country B; but if you can commit a crime in Country A from the comfort of Country B(whether because you are doing computer intrusions and have internet access, or are hiring a hit man the old fashioned way), the principle is exactly the same.

It'd be pretty dodgy if the US wanted a Ukrainian guy grabbed for crimes not committed within American jurisdiction; but in this case the allegation is that he committed a fair few in the US, among other places.

They aren't forced. There are things called extradition treaties. Read about them. They are the exact opposite of force. They are an agreement between two countries. Now to be fair I'm not sure the US has a treaty with Ukraine but they CHOSE to send him and why wouldn't they? They are looking for the United States' backing more than ever now. It only makes sense to turn over a criminal.

Except he was attempting to frame someone inside of the United States. To be honest, I'd wish this guy would get thrown in an Ukrainian prison than an American one. I'm sure the prisons in Ukraine are a lovely place to stay.

But you know, lets make this about Assange again. Assange is a coward really, he wanted to change the world, but then when the shit hit the fan, he went and hid.

Ugh, why does the US get to force other countries to extradite people who violate US laws?

Because when you've got the biggest dick in the room, you tend to do a lot of fucking.

Don't worry, the drunken crazy military spending that the U.S. is putting on its credit card will eventually stop when they can't afford the minimum payments on said credit card anymore. Then the party will end, their dick will shrink, and they'll wake up with a hangover realizing that they're in tens of trillions of dollars in debt with no way to ever pay it off.

So Italy doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US? From the linked article, "The Russian Foreign Ministry posted advice of a somewhat different nature on Monday, cautioning people wanted by the United States not to visit nations that have an extradition treaty with it."

True, they only named a few of the countries (particularly ones where this has happened), but they did not mention the UK, New Zealand or Australia either. Nor Germany, nor...

Yeah, or the teenagers that enjoy fucking with him so much will get the picture and stop doing so. Krebs is a journalist, not a cop - he wants to write stories. Nonetheless he has developed quite the track record of winning in the various conflicts forum-dwellers engage in. He's not a guy anyone should mess with lightly.