It seems like they are only meeting grudgingly because the players pressed them to get back to the table in the last conference call.

But they really have no interest in it and will just find some excuse to go back to the players and say they cant negotiate because the League said this or that .

I get that sense as well. I think Fehr is a real problem and is going to destroy the league. He's too wrapped up in his own reputation and could care less about the players or the league he is helping to hurt.

I get that sense as well. I think Fehr is a real problem and is going to destroy the league. He's too wrapped up in his own reputation and could care less about the players or the league he is helping to hurt.

Well I am hoping the players keep a more close eye on things and keep pressing for a deal if they start stalling for no reason.

Today on the Rona Round table on TSN 1290 Shane Hnidy said a source he has told him that three of the player reps spoke up in the meeting and said the players on their respective teams wanted to get back to the table and negociate. Now that is hardly a pressure play but just like those old painful junior high dances when the first kid takes the walk across the gym to ask a girl to dance usually the rest of the pack aren't too far behind. as far as I know when Hnidy made these comments I don't know if the players even had knowledge of the new proposal?

Today on the Rona Round table on TSN 1290 Shane Hnidy said a source he has told him that three of the player reps spoke up in the meeting and said the players on their respective teams wanted to get back to the table and negociate. Now that is hardly a pressure play but just like those old painful junior high dances when the first kid takes the walk across the gym to ask a girl to dance usually the rest of the pack aren't too far behind. as far as I know when Hnidy made these comments I don't know if the players even had knowledge of the new proposal?

My hunch is that Don Fehr's evil plan may not unfold as he has forseen.

Today on the Rona Round table on TSN 1290 Shane Hnidy said a source he has told him that three of the player reps spoke up in the meeting and said the players on their respective teams wanted to get back to the table and negociate. Now that is hardly a pressure play but just like those old painful junior high dances when the first kid takes the walk across the gym to ask a girl to dance usually the rest of the pack aren't too far behind. as far as I know when Hnidy made these comments I don't know if the players even had knowledge of the new proposal?

It's doesn't seem that very many of them know about it. Now that could be a logistical issue as it was a verbal offer, but it seems like Fehr has his own agenda here and I hope the players get sick of this and force his hand into attempting to negotiate off of this.

My inkling is that many of the players had the thought that Bettman would have broken for the Winter Classic, the fact that the League cancelled it will signal to the PA that the league is playing a game of hardball.

The players are playing a game of hardball as well, it was Goodenow's plan [mod: hope you have a link for this] that the players should hold out for 2 years. We all now how that went, but now that Fehr is at the helm, does he think he can repeat the same method of 2004 and expect a different result?

Today on the Rona Round table on TSN 1290 Shane Hnidy said a source he has told him that three of the player reps spoke up in the meeting and said the players on their respective teams wanted to get back to the table and negociate. Now that is hardly a pressure play but just like those old painful junior high dances when the first kid takes the walk across the gym to ask a girl to dance usually the rest of the pack aren't too far behind. as far as I know when Hnidy made these comments I don't know if the players even had knowledge of the new proposal?

All they have to do, collectively, is tell Fehr they'll accept the NHL's deal.

This seems rather simplistic, to say, "Hey get back to the table" when the player group isn't willing to take the Make Whole + other matters on the table. What will they negotiate? Hey, Gary, so how about the owners do a soft landing. Gary: No. We want 50% now, and the other stuff.

And if every guy is going to negotiate his own deal, they might as well decertify right now.

I think Fehr is a real problem and is going to destroy the league. He's too wrapped up in his own reputation and could care less about the players or the league he is helping to hurt.

I have an idea. Perhaps one of the mods could send out invites to Bettman and Fehr to sign up for HF accounts. Then every time a post with as little content as the one quoted above can be flagged as a personal attack, and mods can deal with the perp as per the usual site policies.

And then, finally, perhaps we could get out from under the tsunami of useless drek that is drowning and killing the BoH forum, and have something resembling substantive discussions.

My inkling is that many of the players had the thought that Bettman would have broken for the Winter Classic, the fact that the League cancelled it will signal to the PA that the league is playing a game of hardball.

The players are playing a game of hardball as well, it was Goodenow's plan [mod: hope you have a link for this] that the players should hold out for 2 years. We all now how that went, but now that Fehr is at the helm, does he think he can repeat the same method of 2004 and expect a different result?

Because he's not Goodenow and the NHL teams may not be as desperate? Maybe some of them have figured out that their system wasn't the panacea they though. Some might even decide to use people who know how to use calculators and not just let some lawyers design economic systems.

Wishful thinking on my part.

I just don't get how so many people just keep repeating this stuff though. Because the NHL made a proposal, the only thing for a PA to do is sign as-is. If they squawk, they're greedy, not the owners who want more profit for themselves. The old CBA doesn't count as a starting point if we're talking concessions and percentage share, but it does count if we're talking about caps and linkage.

My head hurts.

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Originally Posted by Dado

I have an idea. Perhaps one of the mods could send out invites to Bettman and Fehr to sign up for HF accounts. Then every time a post with as little content as the one quoted above can be flagged as a personal attack, and mods can deal with the perp as per the usual site policies.

And then, finally, perhaps we could get out from under the tsunami of useless drek that is drowning and killing the BoH forum, and have something resembling substantive discussions.

At this point, I'd pay them out of my own funds to join. It's like Chinese Water Torture in here.....

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
As we just discussed on Sportscentre. NHL advised PA it will absorb share of Make Whole provision. This is a considerable concession.

Remember when Bettman said there was some wiggle room with the "make whole" provision? Just think, if Fehr had countered with this, we'd be playing hockey. Instead the league's making offers to Fehr that he should be making to them.

Remember when Bettman said there was some wiggle room with the "make whole" provision? Just think, if Fehr had countered with this, we'd be playing hockey. Instead the league's making offers to Fehr that he should be making to them.

You tell me, the players' big rallying cry was wanting their contracts honored. The previous make whole provision, which was explicitly spelled out as negotiable, was something Fehr told the players was bad because it was "players paying players, not owner paying players." This solves that, too.

Are you saying it was more reasonable to show up 90 minutes late with two variations on a Bob Goodenow offer that was rejected in 2005 and a third that represented a percentage increase on present salaries that Fehr "didn't run the numbers on" is somehow more constructive than, I don't know, showing up on time with something like what Dreger describes?

I have an idea. Perhaps one of the mods could send out invites to Bettman and Fehr to sign up for HF accounts. Then every time a post with as little content as the one quoted above can be flagged as a personal attack, and mods can deal with the perp as per the usual site policies.

And then, finally, perhaps we could get out from under the tsunami of useless drek that is drowning and killing the BoH forum, and have something resembling substantive discussions.

It's exactly the same thing that happened to the Luongo threads. Any meaningful discussion is drowned out in pointless and baseless attacks that go round and round endlessly. Close to 20K posts about the lockout and maybe a third of that is worthwhile.

You tell me, the players' big rallying cry was wanting their contracts honored. The previous make whole provision, which was explicitly spelled out as negotiable, was something Fehr told the players was bad because it was "players paying players, not owner paying players." This solves that, too.

Are you saying it was more reasonable to show up 90 minutes late with two variations on a Bob Goodenow offer that was rejected in 2005 and a third that represented a percentage increase on present salaries that Fehr "didn't run the numbers on" is somehow more constructive than, I don't know, showing up on time with something like what Dreger describes?

and that is how union negotiations are solved. Why do you continue to question what people are reading into these negotiations? Do you have information that contradicts any talks between the NHL/NHLPA?