You guys are good...Lennon, Epstein, Mal Evans and Sutcliffe.Sutcliffe's death had everything to do with the Beatles as they were popular enough to be beaten up by jealous guys.Had they been a lousy band that nobody went to see, he'd have lived.

I don't know why I was directed to Lennon causing Sutcliffe's death, but as far as I know, Sutcliffe's death was caused by a blow to the head and has been written that way many times of late, including Lewisohn...I never said Lennon caused Sutclifffe's death. I read it was a gang that caught him after a show.Lennon was capable of killing someone, but I wasn't insinuating he did it.Interesting stuff, though.

There's been a lot on myths. Stu could have been hit on the head by a gang after a show and it probably happened. But, as has been pointed out, this could not have been the cause of Stu's death. Of course, the story is much more interesting if this fight would have led to Stu's death. It's much more rock and roll to die because of a fight than of a stupid weak vein.

That's because everybody's just copying... It is also written that Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds was written after Julian came home with a drawing of it. It's all nonsense. Now, if somebody would really care to do some research. I have an admiration for writers like Eric Krasker who goes in details.

Upset is another word. But I am on a quest, that's true. It's like the North Koreans believing that Kim Jong Il was the best president ever and the whole world is against them. If you're told things over and over and over again, one might start to believe that it actually might be true. One writer (Ive read the Stu story in Alan Williams book and Pauline Sutcliffe also said something about this) suggests something and the next writer takes it as the truth. It's not. Especially when it comes to the early Beatles days, there's a lot of myths. But myths don't become the truth when they're repeated over and over again. Think for yourself.

The way I'm reading this, one guy thinks Sutcliffe was NOT killed by a blow to the head...And I have to admit, it's interesting and I'll look into it...But, the Sutcliffe family thinks he was killed by a blow or blows to the head.It's been documented that he was kicked in the head in at least one fight and probably two and might have been also kicked by Lennon who was the type who would turn on a friend and kick him in the head and admitted so.

I must admit to having believed the "blow on the head" theory up til now, but having just read that thread and that very long post from the neuro nurse, I would say that, in the absence of stronger medical evidence, which I doubt will ever come to light now anyway, I tend to believe that person's theory. Their summary is taken from what Bobber quoted above .....

"... the two causes of death that best fit the scenario are Aneurysm and AVM, both congenital and unrelated to any blow to the head. None of the causes of death from a blow to the head fit the time frames or history we have on Stu. More importantly to this discussion, John was not with Stu in the four months prior to his death. No head trauma causes cerebral bleeding and death that long after injury. Therefore, John could not have been responsible for Stu's death."