As your head hits the pillow, ask yourself what you have done today to fight Zionism?

That’s a question Dr. Azzam Tamimi asked about 3400 of us at a convention today. The convention had the title “End of the Zionist agenda”.

‘Us’ being the people who fiercely reject Zionism or are making an effort to understand what it is and how to accelerate it’s defeat.

I’ve known of Dr. Tamimi for a few years now and admired his words and outlook.

Dr. Tamimi took us through some historical aspects of Zionism, as he saw it. I didn’t manage to scribble all that he said (how many times have I regretted not getting a camcorder or a voice recorder) so apologies if I’m in error, but I’m making an effort to be as accurate as I can. If you were there and can offer corrections, please do so.

Dr Tamimi said The Talmud tells the Jews not to return until the Messiah appeared. 3-4m Jews at the time of the WZO (1897, Basle, Switzerland). Israel only succeeded because it is useful to the dominant powers at the time [and presumably now].

Martin Luther was the founder of Christian Zionism. He believed the Messiah would not come until the Jews returned to Israel. That’s why the Europeans wanted the Jews to return. [So Dr. Tamimi is saying Israel is a Christian phenomenon i.e. a Christian Zionist invention]

Dr Tamimi mentioned the Pogroms of 1885 [I’m not sure in what capacity – due to hatred of the Jews, a despicable plan to make them want to leave Russia, or some other reason].

Then he said QUOTE: “I assure you the Messiah will never come” [I think he also said the Mehdi will not come OR he repeated the Messiah will not come]

Tamimi said lots of places were floated as a homeland for the Jews. Herzl went to King of Italy for Libya as a homeland for the Jews, and in that meeting Herzl declared he didn’t believe in God. [I’m sot sure of Tamimi’s analysis of Herzl – but I think the pogroms were mentioned as something that drove Herzl to try and make a state for the Jews, was it out of human compassion for the oppressed Jews – displaying a kinship with them even though Herzl didn’t believe in God?]

The British offered Palestine as the place for the homeland of the Jews.

Tamimi passionately dismissed those who say they Jews control everything. He said such a statement went against his faith as only God controls everything [That statement was actually critically flawed logic. Yes God controls everything but he gives us free will to decide for ourselves what we do. Plus one can also said the Jews are allowed to control everything by the will of God]

Tamimi said the Jews were reluctant to go to Israel. [From my research there is contradictory evidence available that supports his statement and opposes it] “This was the role of Hitler” Tamimi said. [This is a conspiracy theory , which may actually be right. It’s as if Hitler was created (which he may have been) to persuade the Jews to go to Palestine. The theory is very difficult for me to accept and Tamimi seemed to destroy his own theory]. He fully acknowledged the holocaust of the Jews (and he mentioned the gypsies and handicapped) but he did say the number can be questioned but the number wasn’t important [He obviously didn’t mean it in the sense of ‘ignoring’ the pain of some victims. His theory is rather self defeating. By killing so many, I think 1m was the lowest of the possible figure me mentioned, then how can you persuade 1m dead to go to Palestine? If Hitler’s ‘final solution’ was real (I’ve not seen evidence to suggest it’s true) then if he did kill all the Jews then it would have destroyed any possibility of getting the Jews to Palestine!] Without the holocaust, Israel would never have been born. [1948 the fake state of Israel was declared]

Do not deny the Holocaust he said. The creation of Israel was to stop the emergence of the Islamic ‘empire’ re-emerging. He mentioned there are Jews who oppose Israel. He mentioned Ilan Peppe who was forced to flee the University of Haifa for Exeter in the UK.

He also mentioned the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and dismissed it as a fake and scorned it saying it had harmed the cause [this ‘harm’ reference may have been about the holocaust. My notes failed me]

In Questions, he was asked was it Hitler’s purpose to get the Jews to Palestine [I cant remember his answer]. Also how can he assert the Protocols are a fake? – The questioner mentioned he himself had read them (and I think I met this individual before at an economics colloquium about a month back. – if it’s the same guy, I think he’s a pretty knowledgeable guy!) said some of the things in the protocols had come to pass. The same questioner also mentioned that what had happened over the last 100 years or so wasn’t being analysed from an Islamic perspective (I think he was referring to an Islamic eschatological analysis]. Tamimi replied about the protocols that we simply don’t know where they came from. He has a point, but it doesn’t mean they are for sure fake. As for eschatological analysis, he gave an interesting reply. Scholars analysing hadith always interpreted it with relevance to their time. What he means is that people were saying the end of the world was just around the corner for their generation, over 1000 years of this had transpired already and no end time had occurred. A good reply but it’s only a half answer. Because past generations may have been wrong, that doesn’t mean we are wrong now.

He was also questioned about what I written down as “the Medhi” (note: in this case, not the Messiah – suggesting Tamimi earlier said the Mehdi AND the Messiah {which I’m almost 100% sure I wrote the quote accurately} were not coming, statement which actually stunned me a bit.) I think Tamimi only addressed the Mehdi in the answer and he may have said the matter was debateable possibly saying the Mehdi can be read as a concept of fighting oppression (what I have just said may be mixing up what was said in later sessions with this particular session, but I overall I think it’s not mixed), but Tamimi got passionate (or was it annoyed) saying words to the effect of ‘You sit around for the Medhi if you want. Don’t sit around for the Mehdi, do something now. Help the people of Palestine now’ A very good point.

Overall a good speech, but a number of things he said, were quite debatable. However previously, I never came across anything he said which I found peculiar.

I still can’t get what he said about the Messiah and the Mehdi out of my head. I am extremely sure he is wrong about the Messiah not coming back. He said all cultures/religions have this Messiah. I got the impression to him that indicated it wasn’t true, but I think it could mean it’s is a clear sign he will return.

I really must study my Qur’an harder. On a great deal of points, I find I’m not able to draw upon it’s contents to use as an instant mental check to assess the strength of what people are saying.

I have leaf through it’s beautiful pages afterwards.

OK. The Mehdi (Imam Mehdi) I think the only reference to him is in the Hadith. But surely that doesn’t mean the Mehdi won’t come or as Tamimi suggested that the Mehdi is only a concept.

Tamimi mentioned boycotts, but said there should be a shortlist as people get tired and the list would be very big (and that we wouldn’t be able to use computers, which in a later session he said Jihad by speaking the truth via internet and publications etc is a strong form of Jihad)

I disagree. I think a list should be as comprehensive as possible. I think local Muslim groups should give people a list of things to boycott.

The other day I was thinking about boycotts. I remember seeing a boy and girl raise their palms to the heavens and say “Allahhumma bariklana feema razaktana wakeena azabanar {amen}” [note: transliteration] just as they were about to eat their KFC.

Then the short Q&A session started, it became quite visible to me, that we were starting to tie ourselves in knots but debating history, and putting forward our own views with perhaps the intention to persuade others to out understands and so on. We were losing the plot. Yes study of history is important, and historical analysis can, and DID vary a the convention – especially when different elements of numerous conspiracy theories cropped up, but we must not get distracted with endless and essentially fruitless academic/theoretical discussions and interpretations, but focus on real life NOW.

Boycott, inform yourself and others also, struggle, read, pray, educate your children and other loved ones, your friends. Write letters to shopkeepers and supermarkets asking them not to buy in American and British goods when it is clear the companies are supporting the butchery in occupied Palestine. Resist the occupation by whatever valid means you can. If you cant resist, then provide aid and support to the resistors. If you can’t to this speak out in their favour and if you can’t do any of these, at least hate it in your heart.

There already exists an army for Jihad against the fake state of Israyhell. There’s 6 billion people in it. And within that army, there is a stronger division of almost 1.1 billion, and within that division is a unit of perhaps a few million who can act with physical force, and within that, is a brigade of few hundred thousand martyrs waiting to strike the numerous legitimate branches of the wicked, illegal, oppressive and outright savage occupation and thieved

All of the layers of this army can do something and WILL bring sown Zionism: evil by another name.

Dr. Mohsen Salleh, Director of Al-Zytouna Centre of Studies and Consultations (an organisation a number of friends have spoken highly of) based in Beirut, Lebanon was also good, as was Dr. Roslan’s, but I didn’t have many notes from their addresses.

The handout was great. A good amount of scholoarly literature on the issue, and approx 3400 people!! Alhamdulillah, alhamdulillah, alhamdulillah! Allahuakbar.

My head needs to hit the pillow now but I’ll continue this part of jihad tomorrow. InsyaAllah.

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5 Responses to “As your head hits the pillow, ask yourself what you have done today to fight Zionism?”

Assalammualaikum.
I made a recording of the speeches yesterday.
But the quality is not so good (cant do much, i used my hp).
But not all the presentations unfortunately.
Only those after Mufti Perlis.
I hv the speech by Mufti Perlis as well but i dont think it is of much use to u, so i did not include it.
Just let me know if u want it. =)

The 1st link is Dr Muhsen Soleh’s 1st pres.
2nd is Revival of Ummah also by Dr Muhsen.
Last is Role of Muslims by Dr Azzam.

Tamimi wasn’t in favour of a Palestinian state. He called all nations that came from the break-up of the Islamic empire as being failed states. Like a number of things Tamimi said yesterday, I’m not sure I could agree with that. But what else was he advocating?

There are big questions of the concept of “Muslim countries” – should they even exist or just exist as one super sphere if influence under a Khalifah? Big Q’s

anyway, I came across a document (can’t remember where) that says before Moses, the children of Israel/Yacoob/Jacob (all the same person) willingly left the land to join Joseph in Egypt. How true this is I don’t know. More things to look up.

Salam.
Well, regarding the muslim countries, i believe it is the best of we are only united as one like in the previous islamic empires.
but of course, governors were placed at all cities to administer the city.
united we stand…

one heck of a hp?
well, i’m glad i can use the hp for something beneficient.
i think u’ll need to put on ur speaker to full blast to actually listen clearly what the speakers are trying to say.