This week, the words 'Jesus said to them, My wife..' And reference to her becoming one of His followers, 'She will be my disciple' And the other point that Jesus made was ' I dwell with her' sounds pretty straight forward to me.

So has the 4th Century Coptic Script found really stating that Jesus was married, and if so what does that mean for Christians. And why is it so bizarre that Jesus would have been married anyhow?

I found the whole thing rather amusing as I watched the Dance of the Critics, especially the Church start to waltz around each other, desperately clinging on to their old beliefs that have played like Chinese Whispers down through the ages.

Jesus was married. So what? Well you would have thought that wouldn't you? But I doubt if his Holiness the Pope is particularly happy about it. I bet he's squirming like a worm on a hook. Let's face it, he already knew didn't he?

The Church authorities are already getting their spin doctors to say in a very loud voice 'No this is fake, no this has been written over three hundred years later therefore they were talking about Jesus and marriage purely by guess work'.

That's a good statement, only one thing wrong with it. The papyrus actually states the facts in the 'first person' For example: She will be my.. And so on.

Facts. You want facts?

The fact is, the Church has been manipulating the way we see Jesus for the last two thousand years. The manipulation started at the time when the Bible was first put together. There are many different versions of when the Bible was actually written. Some scholars say 70 years after Jesus, and others claim it was over 200 years later. The point being that there were many more gospels out there that were in fact left out of the final draft.

Karen King with the New Gospel

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Papyrus

According to Harvard divinity professor, Karen King, an ancient scrap of papyrus makes reference to Jesus being married. Karen unveiled the 4th century coptic script at a conference in Rome.

The papyrus was believed to belong to a private collector. A few people have stated that it 'must' be a fake, but at this time experts have claimed it as real.

The Catholic Church has long based their beliefs on celibacy, hence the non marriage of their Priests.

From The Gospel Of Philip

The Missing Gospels were buried in the desert for centuries, and when they were found certain parts were missing, some scholars believed that they had been eaten by insects. There is a part of one of the Scrolls that is missing. A very crucial part, causing suspicion that someone had in fact deliberately torn the most important word from the parchment.

The Quote Reads:

And the companion of the ...Mary Magdalene..Loved her more than all the other disciples and used to kiss her often on her ()... The rest of the disciples ..said to him. ' Why do you lover her more than all of us? The Saviour then answered and said to them 'Why do I not love you like her?When a blind man and one who sees are both together in darkness they are no different from one another. When the light comes then he who sees will see the light and he who is blind will remain in the darkness'

Jesus

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The Mary Magdalene Gospels Pope Gregory and The 'Apology'

According to various sources, the Bible was edited down from many gospels to make it easier and shorter to read. The reason stated is that much of it was in fact repeated over and over, and therefore the main points were placed in the Bible.

The point is, what was left out that was of real importance? The recent discovery of the Mary Magdalene Gospel in 1945 near Nag Hammadi, southern Egypt, along with The Gospel of Thomas, The Gospel of Philip, and the Acts of Peter shows that much was left out of the Bible after the Catholic Church decided that it didn't fit in with Christian Doctrine.

Small snippets in the Bible are in fact explained in much more detail in the Nag Hammadi finds.

But back to Mary Magdalene and her Gospels. This is the fiirst time that we get to know Mary as a real person. She appears in the Gospel of Philip, and across the pages of the other Gospels too. She was a very powerful and prominent member of Jesus's disciples.

When others do not understand what Jesus is saying, Mary answers him first and gives her opinion. As time goes on Mary becomes very high up in the leadership of the disciples. It would take too long here to explain the role Mary had at the side of Jesus. If you haven't read the Gospels found in 1945 then I suggest you go and take a look. It will astound you.

Suffice to say that after Jesus, Mary Magdalene was believed to have become the leader of the disciples. Jesus wanted her to be the interpreter of his teachings, and to go on to lead the group.This is where Peter steps in, and out of jealousy steals the leadership and dismisses Mary.

Peter didn't need to worry though. The Catholic Church did a good job of dismissing women from the top of any job, so Mary was pushed into legend. And what a legend. Not only did the Catholic Church deride her and call her a prostitute, they virtually pushed her out of the Bible story altogether.

Pope Gregory the first in 597 C.E, took three Mary's, Mary of Bethany,and another Mary who he called the Sinner, and combined them with Mary Magdalene, and hence the derogatory name was stuck.

In 1969 the Vatican finally overruled this so called error, and quietly, without an apology or written statement, suddenly decided to alter the reading on the Feast days concerning the Saints. Mary had never been a fallen woman. But its amazing how many people still do not know this fact. Yell it from the rafters? Er no.

A quick scuffling of papers? Yes. The Catholic Mass was changed from the 'Sinner' To Mary Magdalene. At last her name was shown in the right way.

The Roman book of readings for the Catholic Mass, and the Roman calendar, now changed from Luke 7, to the Gospel of John chapter 10 verses 1,2 and 11 to 18.

Was Jesus Married?

Any historian will tell you that back in the days of Jesus every man and woman were 'engaged' to each other by or around the age of fifteen. At this time Jesus would have been only a young man, many years away from his teaching and disciples. He would not have brought shame on his family by dismissing a major part of local life.

He would have married a couple of years later, and as we now know, taken his wife with him on his teachings. There are many references to Mary Magdalene just in the watered down Bible. Why else would she have been there with him all the way? Why was she the first one to see him after he was Risen? Why was she there when he was Crucified? If she was just an ordinary woman not related to the family at all, why would she have been at His side?

We can't be sure that the Coptic Papyrus is actually talking about Mary Magdalene being His wife, it could very well have been someone else. But I doubt it. After reading the Magdalene Gospels its seems to me the evidence is there staring us straight in the face.

Yes Jesus was married. Yes it probably was Mary Magdalene. Yes, the Catholic Church have manipulated us all the way through the last 2,000 years. And last but not least, what to do about it?

I would like to see the Catholic Church hold their hands up and say, Yes we knew, sorry about that. Now lets just incorporate the Marriage into our teachings. But guess what? That is not going to happen. They have a very large broom that sweeps things under a very large carpet.

This will be hushed up, derided, laughed at and made to look stupid. Why? Because that's what they do. And people will go on believing just part of the Story of Jesus. Okay I may well be wrong.

But placing this papyrus alongside the Gospel Of Mary Magdalene and Philip, we must see what is in front of our faces. But we won't. Nobody likes change, even something as simple as this. So It will disappear just like any other proof that's found.

It's a shame really, because at the end of the day, Jesus was a very kind man, a Healer and most likely the Son of God. I like the idea of him having a bit of comfort from a fussing wife. It makes him much more real in my eyes.

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Thanks busillis, I don't think it contradicts other manuscripts, I believe it just adds to them, but I appreciate your opinion and thanks for reading, nell

busillis22

6 years ago

One parchment which contradicts every other manuscript (and we have numerous very early-dated manuscripts of the gospels. See: The Dead Sea Scrolls) and account we have about Jesus is far from something worth changing all the history books over. Time will have to test it.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks again Wiccan, yes it was on tv and in the news lately, amazing, thanks!

Mackenzie Sage Wright

6 years ago

Wow, I didn't know there was any documentation on that possibility. Awesome research!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks again larry, great points.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks baygirl, yes it was the proverbial chinese whispers over the ages, I think it really doesn't matter whether he was or not, he was who he was, thanks so much, nell

Larry Fields

6 years agofrom Northern California

Hi baygirl. You wrote:

"I believe that Paul created the early church,putting words in the mouth of Jesus and including only those concepts that fitted the mold for the church the inner circle was building."

Agreed. I also think that this is part of the more general phenomenon of 'inversion of belief at the top' of most bureaucratic food chains.

The various rascals claw, stab, and schmooze their way to the highest levels. Although they pay lip service to the stated ideals of their respective organizations, they are motivated primarily by power, by ego, by old-boy-ism, and sometimes by greed.

victoria

6 years agofrom Hamilton On.

Wow Nell! I could hardly get down to the bottom!

But let me get my two cents worth in.

I believe that Paul created the early church,putting words in the mouth of Jesus and including only those concepts that fitted the mold for the church the inner circle was building. Also some interpretations that were made through the years were not often correct.This was often due to different meanings in different languages.

I know that not so long ago in very rural areas where people were simple and trusting,the priest was god.It didn't matter what thoughts went through your mind,you cowtowed to the community church.

Thanks for the great hub and all your research.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi acaetnna, nice to see you, and thanks so much! nell

acaetnna

6 years agofrom Guildford

Wow what a brilliant hub and such an interesting read. Thank you Nell.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Cogs, lol! I am definitely on the fence with this too, I don't really think it matters whether Jesus was married or not, but I do appreciate that other people would find it offensive, I just tried to point out the facts or lack of them, thanks so much for reading, nell

UltimateMovieRankings

6 years agofrom Virginia

A very interesting hub with some very thought provoking ideas. I appreciate all the history you have included in the hub as well as all the efforts to cover up the truth or fix errors(depending on which side of the argument you fall on). I kept thinking about the book/movie The DaVinci Code....these facts seem to fit very nicely into that fiction. Voted up and interesting...job well....I liked the hub although I am sure some will not like the hub at all.

Nikko

6 years ago

Ephesians 4:11 -16,and read past that too.

Nikko

6 years ago

11And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers,12with a view to the readjustment of the holy ones, for ministerial work, for the building up of the body of the Christ,13until we all attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God, to a full‐grown man, to the measure of stature that belongs to the fullness of the Christ;14in order that we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error.15But speaking the truth, let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ.16From him all the body, by being harmoniously joined together and being made to cooperate through every joint that gives what is needed, according to the functioning of each respective member in due measure, makes for the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.

G. Diane Nelson Trotter

6 years agofrom Fontana

I'm working on a hub about the debunk of this theory. Harvard professors have concerns. King said she is just putting it out there for discussion!

Nikko

6 years ago

People,its not true,nor will it ever be.Quit being blow away by the wind of lies and miss leading teachings.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks kimberlie, its fascinating isn't it? glad you liked it, nell

Kimberlie Kacan

6 years agofrom Brooklyn, NY

Wow, this is really powerful! I've heard this theory before and I had been wanting to read the Gospels of Mary Magdalene years now and it just hasn't happened. I did read the Gospels of Thomas though where it does state Jesus was married. Such fascinating stuff! Thanks for summing it up so perfectly!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Jackie, this is just something that has come out recently, but it may well be a fake, it just got my attention, and yes it doesn't matter if Jesus was married, it doesn't take anything away from who He was, thanks as always, nell

Jackie Lynnley

6 years agofrom The Beautiful South

I am Christian and it would not hurt my faith at all to learn Jesus was married. That was not a sin. If someone said He sinned then I would not believe it. Some must say He did not drink wine because they think that was a sin. I think the bible teaches they all drank wine and if Jesus made it I would not doubt He drank it, but He said all things in moderation, so He was not a drunkard.

The Catholic Church has idols and we all know who can read for ourselves the bible teaches against that.

Thanks for the info, Nell, I will look into it more.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks Jewels, yes that's so true, thanks for coming back, nell

Jewels

6 years agofrom Australia

Thanks Nell, yes there is a lot of reference to man and woman and their union being 'Godly' We are all an emanation of God, we are all God in essence - no argument, no nonsense.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks again Ceegan, I will watch it tomorrow, bit late now, and thanks for coming back, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Jesus was a leader and a teacher. What he taught was how he lived, he would not have said one thing and done another. I think I will let Him tell you the truth.

Genesis. 2:18 21-24

The Lord God said it is not good for the man to be alone, I will make a

helper that is suitable for him, --- and while he was sleeping he took one of the mans ribs, aand closed up the place with flesh, then the Lord God made a woman from the rib that he had taken out of the rib of the man and he brough her to the man, then the man said, this is now the bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called woman, for she was taken out of the man. For this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh,:

Malachi 2.14

Marriage is a Holy covenant before God.

Genesis.

2-18 to 24.

Marriage was instituted by God as a lifelong commitment.

I could go on, but I would be here all day!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks again ceegan.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks Jewels, interesting stuff, I think the trouble is we think in a 2012 way, we forget exactly what it was like back then, and so many things have been talked about over the years that peoples opinions will always differ, take a look at my last comment, it may just say the truth.

That explains it far better than I ever could. What do you have to lose? Watch it.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi ceegan, now I am confused, how could Gnostics bring down women after Jesus elevated them when the so called Gnostic scrolls are the ones that state Mary was his wife? I am sorry I still believe he did, but thanks for all your thoughts, we are all entitled to our opinions, much appreciated, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Kitty, yes he was human, and I still believe it to be honest, why shouldn't he have been married? thanks so much as always, glad you liked it, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Jewels thanks for your opinion, we may never really know the truth, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi diane, thanks again, and always appreciate your opinion. nell

James

6 years agofrom Maine, USA

Jewels,

If Jesus isn't God in the flesh as you say, then you might want to throw out a good portion of the bible, and edit it to reflect that notion. Jesus declared that He was God wherever He went! That's why He was sentenced to death by the Sanhedrin court: Blasphemy.

They knew exactly what Jesus was implying when He said things like, "Before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58). He was also the ONLY biblical figure that allowed people to worship Him (Mark 5:6). Angels and other biblical figures did now allow people to worship themselves, but gave glory to God (Revelation 19:10). Jesus was also the only biblical figure to forgive sins; something that only God could do (Luke 5:21)!

Without a firm understanding of Jewish traditions, holidays, and prophecies... You don't understand why Jesus said and did those things. The relationship between God and Jesus is much like the same concept for the movie "Avatar".

"If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, AND HAVE SEEN HIM." - John 14:7.

All this "New Age" junk that is creeping into churches, and things like the "Zeitgeist" movies, are all lies. If you want a good explanation of those things, I suggest you watch "Aquarius - The Age of Evil" by Keith Thompson. It's a little over 2 hours long, but well worth the watch if you want to know what is really going on with regards to all this "Jesus = Sun" nonsense. It is primarily a refutation of the "Zeitgeist" movie, but with much more in it than just that:

I really, really pray for you that your eyes are opened, and that you see the evil for what it is. Know the truth, and let the truth set you free (John 8:32)!

Jewels

6 years agofrom Australia

Jesus is not God and never was portrayed as God. He is portrayed as Jesus Christ, which is not the same as God. Christ is an emanation of God which in Gnosticism is the Absolute - All that is. God is not a personal entity and never has been.

Gnosticism is knowledge - knowing and to understand, which requires experience. In modern Christianity experience is taken out of the equation - very sadly this is seen to be how it is meant to be. Not so.

Sun worship by Gnosticism was not a pagan or heathen practice. It represented Christ Consciousness - a state that is attainable through spiritual practices. It is this state attained by Jesus, hence the name Jesus Christ.

This knowledge has been taken out of biblical teachings so that modern day Christians have absolutely no understanding of the concept.

Interestingly to attain this state one is not in a state of separation, ie does not define himself/herself as a man nor a woman, but has integrated both male/female within. The teachings of Jesus not having a wife is more on a symbolic level. It means primarily that he attained a level of practice where he integrated both sides of himself. On a physical level being married was not an issue, it was irrelevant in terms of his state of being.

As modern day Christians have not been conveyed texts in the context they need to be in, they have no concept of self-transformation practices to the level Jesus attained. Instead there is an externalization of Christ as something that is not attainable, it is taught to be something beyond and outside human abilities. This lack of depth in modern day teachings will eventually lead to the downfall of the church. There has been a gradual decline in church attendances in the last century that is proof of this.

I understand there will be argument with what I have just written, particularly by Ceegen. When you apply ancient biblical texts to an intense path of transformation (as Jesus did) so much more makes sense. The bible was not intended to be a story for your reading pleasure, it was an instruction manual. Much of which was bastardized. To follow in the shoes of Jesus was to do as he did both physically and metaphysically. And to do so required reading the manual in it's true form - ie applying it to yourself personally to attain a transpersonal level of existence.

This hub is more about the text, but there is absolutely no reason Jesus could not have taken a wife, and it is very likely he did. True, God is both man and woman. But Jesus was a man, he did not become God. He became Jesus Christ. The level of Christ Consciousness is a level spoken about in many spiritual texts as the goal of serious spiritual initiates. However, the level of God being attainable by humans (as Jesus was) is not a human experience, as God is not human, he is not an arms and legs entity and never was. God is explained as the "all that is" - it's beyond personal.

Thanks Nell for allowing me your comments box!

James

6 years agofrom Maine, USA

Nell,

Gnosticism is a search for hidden meanings within the bible, and it deviates from a good portion of the teachings of Jesus to the point that it is no longer Christianity. Jesus elevated the status of women, and Gnosticism brought it back down. LOTS of Gnostic teachings exist in many churches of today's age, which is why many churches devalue the status of women, as seen in the "gospel" of Timothy. It's a sad state of affairs, but one which I am NOT a part of. Again, I whole-heartedly suggest you watch Michael Heiser's (PhD, even) videos on Gnosticism. Very well-done pieces. Specifically:

Yes, gnosticism existed before Jesus in the form of Judaic Gnosticism, thanks to Solomon who brought in many "unclean teachings" shortly after the Queen of Sheba's visit. Sheba was a part of the ancient Ethiopian empire, of which was earlier a part of Egypt. Hence the "gnostic" connection. It's nothing more than sun worship (Egyptian paganism), which is why 400 years after Solomon, Ezekiel was having a hard time convincing people that God was telling them to stop worshiping the sun.

Aside from that, the whole point of Jesus not having a wife, is to show His status as "fully human and fully God". God has no need of a wife. It isn't that Jesus, who is God in the flesh, didn't like women on a theological basis or some other such nonsense. No, Jesus didn't have a wife because there was no need for God to have a wife: He's God. He did in fact live a celibate life.

But in parables, Jesus does have one, and only one wife: The church. Which church? It is a non-specific physical church, but a very specific *spiritual* church. All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, and all who call upon the name of the Lord is *that* specific church. That's why in a parable Jesus has a wife, but not literally. This is CLEARLY demonstrated at the "Last Supper" when Jesus offers a goblet of wine to His disciples, which is a Jewish wedding tradition.

And don't take the other extreme in error, and say that Jesus was gay. He wasn't giving a Jewish marriage proposal to men because Jesus was gay... It is a SPIRITUAL marriage proposal! A promise to be fulfilled! A living parable!

It might sound nice that Jesus might have had a wife, but it isn't true no matter how nice it sounds. I don't trust Coptic sources that originate 300+ years after Jesus' death, when the synoptic gospels were written no later than 80 AD (according to experts that I trust, not hyped media sources). I only say all this, specifically, because you said: "... but I was led to believe that the scrolls found at Nag Hammadi were just part of the whole that was lost at the time ..."

I'm trying to explain why this is simply not true. I'm not attacking you personally, even though I am saying that you are in error about this one thing... Jesus had no earthly wife.

Kitty Fields

6 years agofrom Summerland

I thought I had commented on this but maybe I didn't get to yet. AWESOME and thought-provoking hub, Nell. I used to often think as a child, "why wouldn't Jesus have a wife? I thought it was a good thing to be married?" It always confused me why people would get SO upset to think that Jesus wasn't celibate. He was human, right?

Jewels

6 years agofrom Australia

Sensationalist tabloid journalism at it's best Diane. How to control the masses!

G. Diane Nelson Trotter

6 years agofrom Fontana

Ceegen, I was just irritated that major media talked about "shocked' Christians. I don't even hear it discussed in Christian circles. This is no more shocking than archaeologists finding 10 million year old bones or Jesus' face showing on a pancake.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Ceegen, I do see your point, but I was led to believe that the scrolls found at Nag Hammadi were just part of the whole that was lost at the time, they believe that the scrolls were hidden from the romans, not by the church but by people who wrote them. if they had been around when the bible was brought together they may well have been part of it, the word Gnostic is in fact a misnomer as it was written by people who were actually around at the time of Jesus. But as you say, who knows? What I actually believe in a nutshell is that at the beginning when they put the bible together because back then they didn' t respect women or treat them as equals they deliberately left out the fact that he was married. Another example is the Virgin birth, that was completely made up by scholars three hundred years after Jesus died, that has been proved, so what else is out there? I appreciate your views though, we all have our thoughts on it, and hey you may just be right, it just caught my interest that's all, thanks for coming back, nell

James

6 years agofrom Maine, USA

Nell Rose,

It's got nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church. They didn't bury that document, because I can guarantee you that if they did, it'd still be "lost". They control information a lot better than that. Who knows what files they have that no person has ever seen in hundreds or thousands of years? I would not be caught dead defending Catholic doctrine.

If Jesus had a wife, it would have been mentioned in the synoptic gospels. Seriously go look up what "Gnostic Christianity" is, you'd be surprised what disinformation they adhere to, and how this is related to Jesus supposedly having a wife.

The Nag Hammadi texts and a majority of the other Coptic writings, are from Gnostics. It's basically a 180-degree twist of what Jesus actually taught. They think that YHVH is actually the bad guy, and is a created being!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi ceegan, not sure who you are talking to as I never mentioned Egypt being the first place of Gnosticism, but I will come in on the 'discrediting Jesus' bit. Whos discrediting Jesus? if he was married then so what?! if people realise that 2,000 years ago someone was the Son of God and he was married it doesn't make any difference to who He was! only brainwashed people cannot see that maybe there was more to him than what the manipulative church wants us to believe! thanks for reading, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks as always Integrity, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks Larry! lol!

James

6 years agofrom Maine, USA

Egypt, the birthplace of Gnosticism! This is total bunk. (Seriously, go watch Michael Heiser's work on Gnosticism, you'll be VERY surprised, or angry, or both...)

"And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." - Revelation 11:8.

The city which is spiritually called Sodom and *EGYPT*? (It's Jerusalem, by the way). But spiritually, is called Egypt?

It's because this gnosticism is creeping in from every angle. The Egyptians were obsessed with finding "hidden" meanings and knowledge. Funny how they don't mention in any of these articles about Jesus' supposed wife, the Gnostic background of all these finds. And yet the one fragment of Matthew that has been dated to the "eye-witness period" is rejected because of its... Authenticity?

It is no surprise to me that this text pops up 400 years AFTER Jesus' death, whereas the synoptic gospels were more than likely written right after Jesus' death, or only as late as 80 AD.

Hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you're wrong. The media hypes ANYTHING that discredits Jesus, and largely ignores things like "The Jesus Papyrus" containing fragmets from the book of Matthew. But then again, I suppose people like hearing things that sound pleasing, yet are not based in truth at all. Everyone likes being told that they're not a sinner, and that everything is going to be "A-Okay".

Trouble is, that is NOT how things are going to turn out. The excretement is about to hit the ventilator.

IntegrityYes

6 years ago

That is another deep one. I definitely voted up.

Larry Fields

6 years agofrom Northern California

Hi Nell. Good answer to Nikko's 'comment'. Having a short fuse for stupidity, I'm not very good at responding to trolls. I should take lessons from you and Will Starr.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi again diane, yep that's the trouble with people in the know, do they do it for history? or themselves? um! thanks!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi zero, yes you may be right, but I do wonder how much even antiquity experts feel that they can change a belief that has been around for so many thousand years, it may well be difficult for them to say, hey look what I found that's real, its easier to say, no actually its a fake, maybe in this case it could be a mistake, but I personally don't think so, but I appreciate your points, and thanks for reading, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi avian, yes I think celibacy has been an issue in one way or another, its a fact that Mary was given a bad name for absolutely no reason at all apart from being a woman, and why was that? exactly! I just hope one day they will find a gospel that really spells it out in black and white, then we will see how the powers that be react to that, thanks so much, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Shri, yes I saw that on tv too. I do remember them saying at the time that it probably was the tomb of Joseph, but of course they went around the houses as we say over here, in other words they didn't want to commit it to be totally to do with Jesus, but yes I believe it was, thanks, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi effer, lol! thanks, you said it for me! I really do believe in Jesus, and to be honest find it quite baffling that people would go up in the air just because he was married! they are so brainwashed they forget he was a real person living in a time of great traditions. For Him to be single would have raised many more eyebrows than if He wasn't! as a man, Jesus was beautiful, amazing and in a way very modern. He hated social graces, upper class people and thugs who treated the sick and poor like dirt. He also looked after the sick and poor, treated them like people, and gave a lot of people hope, as the Son of God, well, that says it all really, married? maybe, and so what? thanks as always, be over in a min! lol!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi diane! lol! first time on here today, so I love all the comments, even the insults! haha!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Nikko, why is it when someone disagrees with something they automatically become stupid or have no 'spiritual insight'? I am as religious and knowledgeable as the next person, I just don't particularly want to stick my head in a bucket of sand when the truth comes out, you may not agree with the findings, but they are not the first set of archaeological proof that's out there, too much points to a marriage, and so what? the church said he was a virgin, He didn't! in fact in the Philip and Mary Magdalene gospels its states quite catagorically that he was married, or at least involved with a woman, you have to remember that he was physically human, and spiritually the Son of God, if He had children they would be human! I appreciate your opinion but there is no need to insult someone just because they have a different opinion, my spiritual beliefs incorporate knowing the truth or at least accepting there may be a new proof out there, you are purely listening to what you have been told over the years, can't you think for yourself? you say you have accurate knowledge, where from? the Priests reading the bible? we can all read the bible, but you have to remember that these were only four gospels, since then they have found lots more!

G. Diane Nelson Trotter

6 years agofrom Fontana

It's driving a lot of comments. I'm trying to come up with one of these myself!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi alocsin, thanks as always, I just try and see it from the historical point of view, don't mean to stir things up! lol!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Ann, I appreciate your point of view, and thank you for commenting. nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi tills, I totally agree with you, I haven't got anything against the Catholic church, in fact I was brought up as a Church of England and love all the ceremony and prayers etc, I just think if the truth has come out we should just incorporate it into the teachings, Jesus was who he was whether he was married or not, thanks so much, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Ruchira, I think its definitely something that should be thought about, if we take away two thousand years of the church, and just get back to who He was then the truth is he probably was married, but I don't think that's a bad thing, thanks so much for the votes, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Ruby, yes I love the idea too, why shouldn't he have been? it was the church that came up with the idea, thanks as always, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Jewel, yes I do hope this will change the attitudes of the church, even yesterday there was something on the news about more crimes from the church! unbelievable, and especially in this day and age, thanks so much, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Shri, thanks so much, and yes those poor witches, it was King James of Scotland who started all that, just because he was scared that someone was out to get him! unbelievable stuff, nice to see you, a be over soon, thanks nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi diane, yes I am sure you are right, it will be forgotten about again, whether its true or not, people don't really like change, thanks so much for reading, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Vinaya, thanks so much for reading, and I am glad you liked it, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks ignugent, I really appreciate it, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi KD, first of all let me apologise for taking so long to answer, I was not very well yesterday, so I took a break. thanks for reading KD, I just like to see different sides to history, and as far as I am concerned I don't really think that whether Jesus was married or not really takes away anything from who He was, maybe one day they will prove it one way or another, thanks so much, nell

KDuBarry03

6 years ago

And this hub is one of the many reasons why I don't practice religion anymore: there are too many hidden truths, contradictions, discoveries, possible false translations to other languages, etc. for me to believe that any one religion is completely right. Who is to say that one faith is completely right? the case with Jesus being married is a prime example of this. Thank you for sharing an important article. I have to stay at an impasse with faith.

ignugent17

6 years ago

Very interesting topic Nell and I have to read it over again .

Vinaya Ghimire

6 years agofrom Nepal

Hello Nell,

you have written about very interesting topic. I agree with your view.

Regards

G. Diane Nelson Trotter

6 years agofrom Fontana

I eard that she is writing a book and this "find" is providing validation for the book. Mainstream theologians don't generally come from Harvard.

Jim Land

6 years agofrom Arlington, Texas

I've done some reading on this bit of papyrus and it has a dubious origin. I know this made a big wave at Harvard and in some of the more liberal-minded Christian circles, but it is being largely dismissed as fraudulent by antiquities experts. It feels like James Cameron's "discovery" of Jesus' ossuary a few years ago. He obviously manipulated the circumstances and came up with a theory that matched his pre-determined ideology. It appears to me that Karen King has done the same thing here. Her interpretation, therefore, lacks credibility.

Shri Mc

6 years ago

Yes the bible also says that great city on the hill will fall which could refer to the Vatican who has its feet on many shores or Islands all over the world.

Deb Hirt

6 years agofrom Stillwater, OK

The church has been manipulating PERIOD. They don't like to encourage free thinking, which is why there are "sheep." Certain priests of the Catholic church do not believe in celibacy as we well know. Ask the boys that are now men whose lives were negatively changed. I personally feel that women were denounced by the Catholic church, as they would not be happy with the activities of certain priests. Thusly, they were excluded, as they could not tell what they knew nothing about. I would love to see what really was part of the bible. Now that it has been discovered, it should be made available to all for a clear picture. After all, Nostradamus said that the Catholic church(in so many words), would fall. Good job uncovering this information, Nell. Someone had to do so.

Shri Mc

6 years ago

Dear Nikko. His mission was complete in liberating us from abuses of religion and summing up the Law in Love. It is more achievable when we think of one goal vs many. His virginity is not in question because we rightfully comit our virginity to our marriage so still perfect in the eyes of God, who thinketh not as man. Jesus finished it by giving his life. No greater Love than this. When the tomb of Joseph was found and exammined they found the aushuaries belonging to his family plus one other of Miriam who would be Mary wife of Jesus. Your faith still in tact but this should add to your knowledge of God. Love sis.

Paula

6 years agofrom Beautiful Upstate New York

Nikko......Allow me to just encourage you to look at your statement...." If Jesus had kids, they would be perfect humans too." ? HUH? How so? If Jesus, the perfect human, had kids, 50% of their DNA would be from their IMperfect Mom.....so goes your theory out the church window......and for "not seeing any perfect offspring walking around here,"...LET'S HOPE NOT. In order for the alleged perfect children of Jesus to reproduce....it would have had to be WITH EACH OTHER.......OK, here's where I say, don't go another step with this whole thing!!

Nell...Bravo, Amen and thank you for the courage and intelligence to present this HOT and HOLY topic, complete with reason and sources. Whether Jesus was married or not, I fail to see where this has any effect upon on WHO HE was, is and what his purpose was.

This is definitely an equal-opportunity hub, Nell....you've ruffled the Catholics, Non-Catholics and quite a few of us happy, healthy Recovering Catholics.......I LOVE you for this! ...UP+++

Nikko

6 years ago

Not true at all.Its nonsense coming from a person who has no spritual insight or accurate knowledge.Jesus was perfect and had no desires for a woman or wife.That was not his mission.He was single and a virgin and died that way,and so did his original diciples.And kids?,if he had kids they would be perfect human too.I don't see any perfect offspring walking around here.

Aurelio Locsin

6 years agofrom Orange County, CA

As I'm not particularly religious, I can't attest to the veracity of your claim. But it looks like you've documented your sources, so I'm voting this Up and Interesting.

Ann

6 years ago

You must remember there was more than one man named Jesus. But there was only one Jesus Christ, the Son of God. He walked this Earth, without sin, but not without temptation. To become the supreme sacrifice acceptable to His Father for our sins, He overcame ever temptation. This little piece of writing I do not believe is about Jesus Christ. I disagree and it causes confusion in peoples lives.

Mary Craig

6 years agofrom New York

Whoa Nellie! You've got a hot hub going here Nell....both Catholics and non-Catholics alike will be jumping on this band wagon...right or wrong there will be (and is) lots of Catholic Church bashing..its not that I agree or disagree with them...being Catholic I believe in the basic tenets of the Catholic Church, not the immoral hypocrites that changed things to suit themselves and here might be proof again that is what they did...anyway, great, timely hub Nell.

Voted up, useful, and interesting.

G. Diane Nelson Trotter

6 years agofrom Fontana

Hi Ruchira, All Christians are considered saints. If you will look at the letters Paul wrote to the churches, he addressed them as saints.

Ruchira

6 years agofrom United States

Nell,

I read this article in Times magazine and I have mixed feelings about it.

Its okay to be married and still be a saint. Strong points delivered here.

many votes as interesting!

Ruby Jean Richert

6 years agofrom Southern Illinois

Now you know why i love reading your articles. You make a lot of sense to me. The Catholic church has a lot to answer for. I love the idea of Jesus being married. Someday we will all know the complete truth. Bravo..

Jewels

6 years agofrom Australia

Another glimmer of hope to quash the nonsense and subsequent degradation of woman globally. The entire doctrines of sexuality in the church is misunderstood and has been purposely bastardized. The result of the suppression is in our faces with the myriad of sex crimes rife within the church and of course outside of it. The truth is surfacing, it always does and it will be to the peril of the organized church, and the liberation of us all.

Shri Mc

6 years ago

Thank You Nell and I do Love you. You have courage and a voice that is lacking in most today. People should know that it was to benefit the Church that they created this lie just as all the murders of women said to be witches while torturing and drowning them only to have their power, land and riches taken from them. They have long sought out to silence unsadated women. God will reveal them to man but for sum it will be to late. I thank you.

G. Diane Nelson Trotter

6 years agofrom Fontana

Hi Nell, It looks like you put a lot of time into this. It is well written and thought out. I have heard about the wife for the last couple of days. I predict that this will go by the wayside by year's end. I became a Christian November 5, 1978 voluntarily. I have daily devotions and fellowship with believers as much as possible. Thank you for keeping your sanity long enough to write this interesting article.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks billy, I think they have got so used to being in charge that they have forgotten exactly what they are there for! thanks so much, nell

Bill Holland

6 years agofrom Olympia, WA

Excellent Nell! I was born and raised in the Catholic Church, and I can say without hesitation that there is no bigger group of hypocrites than those walking around Rome right now, pulling strings and manipulating history to meet their own needs. Great hub!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Now I am confused! lol! which one was that?

Alan R Lancaster

6 years agofrom Forest Gate, London E7, U K (ex-pat Yorkshire)

We have to remember two of the gospels were written by the same man, because one of the four couldn't write.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Robert, thanks for your thoughts. In this case the witnesses will be theologians and scientists, but of course I doubt we will ever know completely one way or the other. We must remember that the bible has only a certain amount of knowledge, and it seems with all these discoveries we are learning more each day, but I do respect your points, thank you.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi alan, lol! I think we have to remember that what was said back then has been told and retold so many times that it is now in our subliminal mind set, we have to adapt to proof, if it proves that Jesus was not married then fine, if it is then change it, there isn't enough proof just yet, but putting it all together it does seem likely, thanks so much, nell

Robert E. Barger

6 years ago

If the Bible does not say it with two or three scriptures as a witness, I do not believe it! We are to prove all scriptures by two or three witnesses.

2 Corinthians 13:1

Philippians 3:1

2 Corinthians 12:14

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John!

All the way through the Bible. Authorized King James 1611.

Alan R Lancaster

6 years agofrom Forest Gate, London E7, U K (ex-pat Yorkshire)

Da Vinci code all over again! This stuff turns the Catholic Church on its head, with their idea that priests should be celibate based on something Paul might have written back in the mists of time. Funny thing, before the Normans came over, the English clergy - aside from monks and abbots - generally married. Duke William promised the Pontiff Alexander that his priest Lanfranc would change the heretical ways of the English Church. That was in 1066.

Many Roman Catholic priests over the years have got themselves into trouble on this score - some even perpetrating paedophile acts - and Rome has brushed it under the Vatican's carpet. Wouldn't they be relieved - in more sense than one - if the celibacy issue were overturned, especially if it were proved to be based on a lie!

On the other hand, watch your letterbox for hatemail or letter-bombs postmarked 'Vatican P O'.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi Larry! lol! trust you to pop up with the humor! haha! I was brought up as a C of E, or church of England, and totally believed everything I was told. The trouble started when I suddenly realised I was hooked on history! and of course if you take the bible and remove the religious conotations then there is a lot of interesting history there, for example the river running with blood, has been proved to be sulphur escaping down from the mountain lakes etc, so I started to question certain things, and found gaping great holes. Did you know that I asked my friends mum about Mary Magdalene, the mum is catholic, and she didn't know that the Church had 'apologised' back in 1969? The church still even today try to make people believe that Mary was a fallen woman! even though its been proved they got the wrong girl, even though the vatican has admitted it, the church still stick to the old old story! thanks as always, nell

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

I would like to add to that if you don't mind. I do believe if you take Jesus and see him back then, without all the hoo ha of the Church, He was a great man, not even mentioning the fact that he was the son of God. I remember reading about when he took the beggars and poor down to the baths and told them, you are just as good as those up there, do as you will, or words to that effect. I honestly think he would have been followed and famous now even if he wasn't famous for being the Lord.

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Thanks Joe, totally agree! lol!

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Nell Rose

6 years agofrom England

Hi efeyas, there is a story about Mary bringing her child to France after the Crucifiction. Evidently in France especially in the hilly parts of the country they worship something called the Black Madonna, which is made from dark wood, so that when the authorities back then saw it they presumed it was the Virgin Mary, but in reality it was a personification of Mary Magdalene. Evidently there is a cave there that has an altar and candles, even a stream I believe that people worship at. Now I have my next hub thanks! lol!

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