Hello, I am Tyler. I am here to discuss a issue that has been bothering me incredibly today, and I feel as if Forum Moderators simply let it happen, in this instance, a forum mod even ENDORSED IT, which I will link evidence below. The issue is: SEGREGATION!

You may think, how could this be a problem on MINECRAFT! That's what I thought too until today. Let me explain. Today I was browsing the minecraft forum and happened to stumble upon a forum post that made me quite confused. This was the title: [1.5.2]: Girls only server. Was this even I thing? This kinda dumbfounded me a touch. I click the link, obviously wanting to learn more information, here's the link to the forum post:http://www.minecraft...ls-only-server/

There's not much information about in-game content AT ALL, so I was curious why the restriction on gender? Was it something that would be inappropriate for guys or some ­ excuse like that? Instead I find nothing regarding why this should be allowed. Then I scroll down a bit after reading some brain damaging applications and find a Sectional Moderator's Post. This is what really angered me. Here's what he said:
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More than a Mod
deathmaul51

Sectional Moderator

1370 posts

Location: Glade Park, CO

Minecraft: Deathmaul51

Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:11 PM
Due to the fast amount of replies on this topic about it being sexist and racist many comments have been removed.

This server type is not only allowed here on the forums but it is understood. This server in no way is being sexist or racist. It is only declaring that no boys are allowed. As there are many clubs, stores, and other things that only girls can do. A girls only server is not only allowed but welcome.

Anymore hate replies to this topic or thread should be reported as the other ones were and we here on the Mine Craft Forum Staff will see to it that anyone continuing to post things that put down others or discriminate against anyone will be dealt with.

As this server only does not want boys on the server there is nothing wrong with this thread. There is no hate, or sexist/racist remarks in the topic or in the thread. Such things will not be tolerated and we appreciate your cooperation.

You may contact me or any of the staff here on the forums if you feel you are being harassed or discriminated against. As there is none of that here. The topic will remain and monitored to make sure the rules of the MCF are followed.

So... let me get this straight... a Moderator of the Minecraft Forums not only is not asking a request of removal of sorts... HE'S ENCOURAGING THIS BEHAVIOR?!?! What the ­... I start to question myself If I should post my thoughts or not despite this mod's apparent constant monitoring I decide to. The first thing I wanted to address was the Discrimination... Well first off, I think the Mod needs the definition of Discrimination... Thanks Wikipedia:

Discrimination is the prejudicial and/or distinguishing treatment of an individual based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated."[1] It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making.[2]

How is this girl's post not discriminating towards Males? Essentially, she is restricting us from access to her server due to our gender. That's some Grade A Segregation there. I further ask all of you to post your opinions on this forum post, and hopefully at the very minimum, we can bring down the Gender Restriction on her server. Thanks for reading, and of course thanks for your opinions on the subject as well!

My point I'm trying to make is certain segregation is okay, such as Age for the instance that people may want to have more adult conversations. That's a okay form of segregation, however gender is something we are born with. It's not something we can change. I would've been fine if the user had simply stated "Girl-Friendly Community!", but instead, she simply stated Girl's Only, and the only reason I could see behind it was... Just Because... I'm not trying to single any individual server out with this post, simply using this girl's post as a reference to the point I'm trying to make.
-Tyler

UPDATE:: Apparently all of my content that I had posted against this type of situation has been removed! Yay.... z_z

I don't think they intended to be sexist, it's widely accepted that girls get a lot of unwanted attention on servers (although I've never experienced this myself, I think it depends which server you use). While I don't think it's necessary to have segregated servers, I understand why they might want to create a girl-friendly space. I don't get why people can't generally try to be more considerate of each other in multiplayer instead of jumping straight to 'ban/exclude everyone who isn't exactly like me'.
On a side-note: I've got a problem with the servers who say "good builders only" then exclude anyone who doesn't have the same build style regardless of their talent/ability or who 'just doesn't fit our image'.

I don't think they intended to be sexist, it's widely accepted that girls get a lot of unwanted attention on servers (although I've never experienced this myself, I think it depends which server you use). While I don't think it's necessary to have segregated servers, I understand why they might want to create a girl-friendly space. I don't get why people can't generally try to be more considerate of each other in multiplayer instead of jumping straight to 'ban/exclude everyone who isn't exactly like me'.
On a side-note: I've got a problem with the servers who say "good builders only" then exclude anyone who doesn't have the same build style regardless of their talent/ability or who 'just doesn't fit our image'.

I agree that perhaps they wanted a girl-friendly environment which I'm all for, but just don't make it ABSOLUTELY Girls Only, maybe something along the lines of Girl-Friendly Server. I would find that more than acceptable, quite frankly I would endorse something along those lines, just as long as It's not segregated. I appreciate your comment as well! Regarding the Good Builders Only, I do agree something like that is indeed a problem, and should be dealt with accordingly. Perhaps make a topic yourself regarding this issue friend! I would certainly be more than happy to give my opinion :D!

Honestly I don't see the problem, the server owner has the right to decide who uses the server and if you don't like go make your own server.

I agree, but it has to follow Minecraft Forum's Rules, and discrimination against another group is not allowed! This is why either their title needs to be tweaked, or they need their forum post removed.

Well sorry sir. but you are wrong! First of all, it's her server. She paid for it with her own money, it's her server, not yours. You have no say in it. She can do whatever she wants with it. It's not like there's a server constitution that says "All servers are created equal". There isn't. There is no reason she should ever be obliged to change the server from the way she wants it to be. By saying she shouldn't put a "Girls Only" label on her server, you're restricting her freedom. If I had a server, I would have a serious problem with anyone who wanted change the core aspect of my server, especially if it was a bad one.

Suggestions are good, but this is a full-blown complaint. It isn't even constructive criticism. You offered no reasons other than 'cause it's segregation' to back your point up! Have you even thought to considered why she has done it? As the above person said, she probably wanted to created a more girl-friendly environment, as the majority of Minecraft players are male, it's natural to have a server where girls can feel a bit more comfortable rather than being a little excluded in public servers.

Don't jump to conclusions. Don't see Segregation in black and white, it isn't always wrong. From your own definition:

leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making.

See? It doesn't always have to be wrong. Sometimes there are good reasons for restricting a group.

Well sorry sir. but you are wrong! First of all, it's her server. She paid for it with her own money, it's her server, not yours. You have no say in it. She can do whatever she wants with it. It's not like there's a server constitution that says "All servers are created equal". There isn't. There is no reason she should ever be obliged to change the server from the way she wants it to be. By saying she shouldn't put a "Girls Only" label on her server, you're restricting her freedom. If I had a server, I would have a serious problem with anyone who wanted change the core aspect of my server, especially if it was a bad one.

Suggestions are good, but this is a full-blown complaint. It isn't even constructive criticism. You offered no reasons other than 'cause it's segregation' to back your point up! Have you even thought to considered why she has done it? As the above person said, she probably wanted to created a more girl-friendly environment, as the majority of Minecraft players are male, it's natural to have a server where girls can feel a bit more comfortable rather than being a little excluded in public servers.

Don't jump to conclusions. Don't see Segregation in black and white, it isn't always wrong. From your own definition:

See? It doesn't always have to be wrong. Sometimes there are good reasons for restricting a group.

Brain damaging? Seriously?

I have stated in my previous posts that I would be okay with her at least changing the title of her server to Girl-Friendly Environment, but she doesn't do this at all! She completely disregards the server rules of discrimination, and to top it all off, a Sectional Moderator agrees with this situation. This is completely wrong on so many levels. If a male created a Guy's Only server post, how fast do you think it would get taken down? Pretty damn quick tbh. She can make all the rules she wants on her server, but if it doesn't abide to the Minecraft Forum rules, then it should be edited to make it work.

If you wanted to take it down for breaking the rules, the report the post. No need to make a whole new thread. And I believe the discrimination rule only applies to when it is illegal, as it is under that title, and when the discrimination is irrational. So you're saying I can't turn away crappy builders from my creative server cause it's on the Minecraft Forums? By your logic, I'm discriminating those players based on their building ability. In that case, a great many creative servers would never existed because of this rule. She has the right to turn away players she doesn't want on her server, and technically, you're denying her right to whitelist since you don't allow her to choose which applicants to accept.

You can't stop anyone from allowing and denying certain people into their private property. This server in question is private property, and nobody but the owner has any right to say who they will allow on and who they won't. Sure, I don't agree with their idea, but I have no right to stop them. People can just as well say who they allow into their house. They can be morally wrong in doing so, but in the end, they have the final decision.

That said, I don't believe this kind of attitude is healthy for this forum. The rules do say that no discrimination based on gender is allowed. Although this may seem like a technicality, it really isn't.

Just imagine seeing on the front page of the server advertisement section a thread for a no-gay server. Only straight people. What about a server for white people only?

Could you imagine that? How horrible! I can guarantee that the thread would be removed, and justice would be brought down upon the poster very quickly. A female only server is in no way different. There is no such thing as "ok discrimination". If the rules of the forum include no discrimination, there should be no discrimination of any kind on this forum.

To summarize, this forum calls for no discrimination, and this thread for a girls only server is discrimination. Rules are rules, so something should be done. That said, nothing can or should be done about the server itself. Private property is private, and the owner chooses who is allowed and who is not.

I don't think you understand.They pay for the server and maybe talk about personal things and they don't want guys there who cares?Are you going to get that butthurt over something you can simply ignore?If it offends you that much why don't you talk to the poster and get their reasons behind having an all girls server.That's like saying if I owned a house and it was in my name and I would not let you in.If guys are not wanted there than big whoop deal with it.

If you wanted to take it down for breaking the rules, the report the post. No need to make a whole new thread. And I believe the discrimination rule only applies to when it is illegal, as it is under that title, and when the discrimination is irrational. So you're saying I can't turn away crappy builders from my creative server cause it's on the Minecraft Forums? By your logic, I'm discriminating those players based on their building ability. In that case, a great many creative servers would never existed because of this rule. She has the right to turn away players she doesn't want on her server, and technically, you're denying her right to whitelist since you don't allow her to choose which applicants to accept.

To quote Merriam-Webster, discrimination is defined as "the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually".

So no, you are free to turn away "crappy builders" as long as you have judged them by their individual capabilities.

You can't stop anyone from allowing and denying certain people into their private property. This server in question is private property, and nobody but the owner has any right to say who they will allow on and who they won't. Sure, I don't agree with their idea, but I have no right to stop them. People can just as well say who they allow into their house. They can be morally wrong in doing so, but in the end, they have the final decision.

That said, I don't believe this kind of attitude is healthy for this forum. The rules do say that no discrimination based on gender is allowed. Although this may seem like a technicality, it really isn't.

Just imagine seeing on the front page of the server advertisement section a thread for a no-gay server. Only straight people. What about a server for white people only?

Could you imagine that? How horrible! I can guarantee that the thread would be removed, and justice would be brought down upon the poster very quickly. A female only server is in no way different. There is no such thing as "ok discrimination". If the rules of the forum include no discrimination, there should be no discrimination of any kind on this forum.

To summarize, this forum calls for no discrimination, and this thread for a girls only server is discrimination. Rules are rules, so something should be done. That said, nothing can or should be done about the server itself. Private property is private, and the owner chooses who is allowed and who is not.

To quote Merriam-Webster, discrimination is defined as "the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually".

So no, you are free to turn away "crappy builders" as long as you have judged them by their individual capabilities.

That server thread is no where near discriminating.They are simply requirements.There are girls only and boys only schools and no one has a problem with that.So if the server has a requirement of being a girl who cares.

That server thread is no where near discriminating.They are simply requirements.There are girls only and boys only schools and no one has a problem with that.So if the server has a requirement of being a girl who cares.

You kiddin me? A LOT of people have a problem with that. How can you explain the strikes and such? It's a issue that needs to be addressed.Success! The Girl's Only post has been removed! Although I still feel there is a issue regarding this. So please continue to discuss!

That server thread is no where near discriminating.They are simply requirements.There are girls only and boys only schools and no one has a problem with that.So if the server has a requirement of being a girl who cares.

It's discrimination when a person is judged by the category they fit into. "Male" is a category. By advertising for a server with no males allowed, a forum rule has been broken.

Don't get me wrong here. I don't give a crap about that one server. What I do care about is that forum rules were broken, and a moderator not only failed to uphold them, but encouraged the rule breaking. That's the problem.

To quote Merriam-Webster, discrimination is defined as "the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually".

Well first of all I don't really agree with this definition as it uses the word discrimination in its definition. But moving on, I do think that that point can be argued. The sole purpose of the server was to create a more comfortable environment for female players so their "merit" or "requirement" was to be a girl. So you could say that if a boy joined he didn't meet the individual merit cause he disturbed the environment of the server, and therefore doesn't not belong on it.

There is no such thing as "ok discrimination"

Male and Female Restrooms.

What I do care about is that forum rules were broken

I'm still not quite sure about this, if it really was truly discrimination or not, or just requirements.

Success! The Girl's Only post has been removed!

Seriously man? If you think she broke the rules then just report and be done. It can really hurt one's feelings when you're "happy" about getting their thread removed, especially if there wasn't anything wrong about it. I do think its a technicality, there's no reason to be overjoyed about it. It wasn't a victory, it was supposed to be justice.

The sole purpose of the server was to create a more comfortable environment for female players so their "merit" or "requirement" was to be a girl. So you could say that if a boy joined he didn't meet the individual merit cause he disturbed the environment of the server, and therefore doesn't not belong on it.

We both know that what you're saying here is complete BS. You couldn't say that a male doesn't meet the individual merit because he disturbed the environment of the server by not being female. You also couldn't say that a black person doesn't meet the individual merit because he disturbed the environment of the server by not being white, and therefore does not belong on it.

I'm still not quite sure about this, if it really was truly discrimination or not, or just requirements.

If the requirements stem from a categorical analysis rather than an individual analysis, then the requirements are discriminatory. If you would consider a straight only server discriminatory, then you should have no reason to not find this discriminatory.

Listen, my point is that the line has to be drawn somewhere. Once the line is drawn, exceptions can't be thrown out freely. The rules say that there is to be no discrimination. We can't go around making exceptions for this.

That server is perfectly fine. There are many women-only clubs, men-only golf courses, women-only changing rooms and men-only railway carriages! Servers are just another one!

If they wish to discuss possibly private female-related activities, then it should be allowed.

Of course things like bathrooms and stuff are meant to be segregated, due to violation issues, however servers is another thing. In the MCF Rules, discrimination of any kind is against the rules, and I did link the definition of discrimination...