Barring the seperation of his parents, is it impossible for Nadal to lose at RG?

1 loss so far, and the separation of his parents was the cause. So how many losses will Nadal experience at Roland Garros over the next 5 years? Is he too talented to lose, barring a catastrophic distraction?

2012 convinced me its impossible for Nadal to lose. He was at 50% health, lived on painkillers, faced Djokovic (Did you know Djokovic had beaten Nadal in 3 straight slam finals prior to RG?) and still only dropped one set. No man has ever ruled a surface more than Nadal. 81 straight wins on clay.

Djokovic will never get a better shot at Nadal than 2012. Djokovic took Nadal's heart out for 3 straight slams, and it counted for NOTHING at Roland Garros. And who steps up to challenge Nadal after Djokovic?

Probably impossible, though Borg would have had his way with Nadal and easily too. In this era though, Nadal is almost impossible to beat on clay providing that he is at peace with the situation of his family.

1 loss so far, and the separation of his parents was the cause. So how many losses will Nadal experience at Roland Garros over the next 5 years? Is he too talented to lose, barring a catastrophic distraction?

2012 convinced me its impossible for Nadal to lose. He was at 50% health, lived on painkillers, faced Djokovic (Did you know Djokovic had beaten Nadal in 3 straight slam finals prior to RG?) and still only dropped one set. No man has ever ruled a surface more than Nadal. 81 straight wins on clay.

Djokovic will never get a better shot at Nadal than 2012. Djokovic took Nadal's heart out for 3 straight slams, and it counted for NOTHING at Roland Garros. And who steps up to challenge Nadal after Djokovic?

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Here is my reply. Was Djokovic's grandpa passing away the only reason that he lost to Nadal, when he was owning him on every surface? Once his grandpa died, it effected Djokovic and Nadal took advantage. What this shows to me is that until barring such a tragic loss, far greater than a divorce, a mentally stable Novak ruled the bull, at least Nadal's parents are healthy and alive, and still very much a part of his life. While Djokovic's grandfather, who looked after him when he was a boy during war, left him forever....

Such a pathetic thread, when you think about it.

(Sorry to the genuine Nadal fans, but sometimes you give a troll what he wants).

He was at 50% health, lived on painkillers, faced Djokovic (Did you know Djokovic had beaten Nadal in 3 straight slam finals prior to RG?) and still only dropped one set. No man has ever ruled a surface more than Nadal. 81 straight wins on clay.

Djokovic will never get a better shot at Nadal than 2012. Djokovic took Nadal's heart out for 3 straight slams, and it counted for NOTHING at Roland Garros. And who steps up to challenge Nadal after Djokovic?

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Honestly, I won't argue here... he is one of the greatest for sure but you're exaggerating it too much in the first half.

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Actually there is some truth to that. I think he most likely would have won all 3 of those if not for his Grandpa's death. I think it messed with his head for a few months afterwards.

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You really think so?

I dunno, I mean it's one of those things where you can't know how much and how long it effected him so I can't make an excuse out of it. I do think it effected him at MC, maybe not afterwards but even if it didn't, MC turned the tide, and a loss could have destroyed Nadal mentally. So maybe it played a part.

On the other hand though Nadal played much better on clay this year than in 2011 where he looked nervous and lacking in concentration. I know you don't agree he was better this year but I think there was a definite improvement from last year. Also I think Novak looked pretty focused at RG, he just wasn't good enough.

Nadal was absolutely formidable on clay this year, far superior to his 2011 clay-court form. In 2011, Nadal was just doing enough to win matches on clay (unconvincingly), and got beaten twice by Djokovic in clay finals. It wasn't until the latter stages of the 2011 French Open that he started playing well, and Djokovic was taken out by Federer (so all the better).

In 2012, apart from the blue clay fiasco in Madrid, Nadal was absolutely dominant. He won Monte Carlo without dropping a set, won Barcelona without dropping a set, won Rome without dropping a set, got to the French Open final without dropping a set, and then beat Djokovic in 4 sets to win a 7th French Open and thwart the Djokovic Slam.

Sorry,but it's what I believe. Being the dedicated Cvac fan you are you should know his Grandpa's death messed him up for some time.

Also,it must be a pleasure for Fed to have such dedicated haters such as yourself. You've turned Fed hating into an art form,and are a bigger Fed hater than you are a Nadal fan.

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You also have a problem with irony. What makes you a troll is pretending to be a fan of a player you like nothing about, least of all his game. And you don't have to keep repeating how much I prefer Djoko to Fed. I keep repeating it myself, so everybody knows it.

Nadal was absolutely formidable on clay this year, far superior to his 2011 clay-court form. In 2011, Nadal was just doing enough to win matches on clay (unconvincingly), and got beaten twice by Djokovic in clay finals. It wasn't until the latter stages of the 2011 French Open that he started playing well, and Djokovic was taken out by Federer (so all the better).

In 2012, apart from the blue clay fiasco in Madrid, Nadal was absolutely dominant. He won Monte Carlo without dropping a set, won Barcelona without dropping a set, won Rome without dropping a set, got to the French Open final without dropping a set, and then beat Djokovic in 4 sets to win a 7th French Open and thwart the Djokovic Slam.

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Yep.

The curious thing is I'd have thought Clarky looked like she agreed a while ago, going by her posts (about how Djokovic would and should have lost in three sets if not for the rain, etc.). And now she's saying Novak lost only because of his grandpa?.

The curious thing is I'd have thought Clarky looked like she agreed a while ago, going by her posts (about how Djokovic would and should have lost in three sets if not for the rain, etc.). And now she's saying Novak lost only because of his grandpa?.

She needs Rafa back playing .

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I do think he would have lost in straights if not for the rain,but I also believe his level wasn't very high to begin with because of his grandpa's death. If people can say they believe Cvac played his best tennis in that match then I don't know what to tell them. If Cvac would have played like he did last year Nadal would never would have beaten him,rain or no rain.

I do think he would have lost in straights if not for the rain,but I also believe his level wasn't very high to begin with because of his grandpa's death. If people can say they believe Cvac played his best tennis in that match then I don't know what to tell them. If Cvac would have played like he did last year Nadal would never would have beaten him,rain or no rain.

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You do realise that Djokovic's grandad died in April during Monte Carlo, yes, and not during the French Open?

I do think he would have lost in straights if not for the rain,but I also believe his level wasn't very high to begin with because of his grandpa's death. If people can say they believe Cvac played his best tennis in that match then I don't know what to tell them. If Cvac would have played like he did last year Nadal would never would have beaten him,rain or no rain.

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Djokovic's level has been lower all year (even since late last year), compared to 2011, not just since his grandpa died.

And Rafa's level, on clay certainly, was clearly higher this year. You surely think that must have had something to do with the way their matches went this year?.

Djokovic's level has been lower all year (even since late last year), compared to 2011, not just since his grandpa died.

And Rafa's level, on clay certainly, was clearly higher this year. You surely think that must have had something to do with the way their matches went this year?.

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I'm not so sure. I think if Cvac plays his best then there's nothing Nadal can do about it no matter how he's playing. If the Cvac from 2011 would have showed up this year in any of those matches Nadal would have lost them all no matter what.

I'm not so sure. I think if Cvac plays his best then there's nothing Nadal can do about it no matter how he's playing. If the Cvac from 2011 would have showed up this year in any of those matches Nadal would have lost them all no matter what.

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I really don't think so... why would you think that really?. Think third set n the USO last year. And that was hard court.

I really don't think so... why would you think that really?. Think third set n the USO last year. And that was hard court.

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Because Nadal has always struggled against Cvac. Even before Cvac found his miracle cure. Last year spoke volumes to me about that match-up. The only way Nadal can beat him is if Cvac plays poorly,otherwise,it's not possible.

I agree the matchup is difficult, but Nadal found ways to win any big match against Djokovic before 2011. All of Djokovic's wins over Nadal before 2011, all 7 of them, were 2 straight sets on hardcourts.

The other problem I see with you is that you read like a broken record even when the stuff you throw around isn't working. OK, enough for today, no? I'll let you in peace to hone your trolling skills a bit.

Here is my reply. Was Djokovic's grandpa passing away the only reason that he lost to Nadal, when he was owning him on every surface? Once his grandpa died, it effected Djokovic and Nadal took advantage. What this shows to me is that until barring such a tragic loss, far greater than a divorce, a mentally stable Novak ruled the bull, at least Nadal's parents are healthy and alive, and still very much a part of his life. While Djokovic's grandfather, who looked after him when he was a boy during war, left him forever....

Such a pathetic thread, when you think about it.

(Sorry to the genuine Nadal fans, but sometimes you give a troll what he wants).

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ROTFL Djokovic's grandfather was probably about 80. People are expected to die at that age. Those who are stunned by it need to get out of their fantasy World with pink unicorns and fluffy clouds. Djokovic isnt even a top 40 clay courter all time at this point. His success against the undisputed clay court GOAT Nadal on clay in 2011 was the aberration, not the other way around.

Because Nadal has always struggled against Cvac. Even before Cvac found his miracle cure. Last year spoke volumes to me about that match-up. The only way Nadal can beat him is if Cvac plays poorly,otherwise,it's not possible.

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If you consider leading the h2h by I don't know how much before last year struggling... He has always been a tough opponent for him. But so has Nadal been for Djokovic. It was him you could say the one who's always struggled more, you could say. It was him who couldn't beat Rafa on Rafa's best surface, while Nadal could beat Novak on his. It was him who couldn't win the really big matches. Even last year, with the way he was playing and the way Nadal was playing on clay, and while Djokovic won the clay matches on straights, they were close matches with not more than one break a set, I believe.

If you consider leading the h2h by I don't know how much before last year struggling... He has always been a tough opponent for him. But so has Nadal been for Djokovic. It was him you could say the one who's always struggled more, you could say. It was him who couldn't beat Rafa on Rafa's best surface, while Nadal could beat Novak on his. It was him who couldn't win the really big matches. Even last year, with the way he was playing and the way Nadal was playing on clay, and while Djokovic won the clay matches on straights, they were close matches with not more than one break a set, I believe.

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Again,I'm not sure I agree. Djesus was unable to hang with Nadal physically until last year,and that is what cost him matches against Nadal. There is a match-up issue as well as Cvac's abilities being better than Nadal's are as well.

Again,I'm not sure I agree. Djesus was unable to hang with Nadal physically until last year,and that is what cost him matches against Nadal. There is a match-up issue as well as Cvac's abilities being better than Nadal's are as well.

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That wasn't all there was to it. Not all the matches Rafa won were long gruelling ones.

That wasn't all there was to it. Not all the matches Rafa won were long gruelling ones.

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Well,it played a big part in it. Cvac is better at just about everything compared to Nadal,and lost a lot of matches to him he never should have only because he was tired. I know you won't agree with me,so why do you think Cvac lost so many matches to Nadal he should have won?

Yes way. A lot more player get up for Wimbledon. In the old days people often skipped FO. They may not skip it as much anymore, but they sure as heck don't put as much effort into it. After all, what a player rather win, Wimby or FO?

ROTFL Djokovic's grandfather was probably about 80. People are expected to die at that age. Those who are stunned by it need to get out of their fantasy World with pink unicorns and fluffy clouds. Djokovic isnt even a top 40 clay courter all time at this point. His success against the undisputed clay court GOAT Nadal on clay in 2011 was the aberration, not the other way around.

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Who are you to say that his grandfather's death didn't effect him. What kind of callous BS is this? My response was to a troll, who can talk about a divorce, but if I give the troll his own medicine, you're jumping up and down because it goes against Nadal...How do you know how much emotionally attached he was to his grandfather? I felt his pain when he looked up to the heavens after his match against Dolgopolov in MC, and he couldn't sign that camera. So there is nothing to ROTFL about.

Undisputed clay GOAT? Yeah, right! Sorry, but you can't compare eras, and since we will never know how he would have done in Borg, or anyone else's era, he certainly aint undisputed. Hypothetical, fantasy spectulation is not fact, and it certainly does not make him undisputed. And who did he beat anyway? Djokovic, who isn't even top 40 according to you, and Federer who you don't think is even in top 10 right? He beats a bunch of chumps and he is undisputed...give me a break!

And while I don't have to mention it, I lost my Grandfather this summer, and he was 82, and it tore me apart, because his memories can flooding back for weeks. So, there is nothing to ROTFL about.

Well,it played a big part in it. Cvac is better at just about everything compared to Nadal,and lost a lot of matches to him he never should have only because he was tired. I know you won't agree with me,so why do you think Cvac lost so many matches to Nadal he should have won?

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Weaker mentally. Also, his forehand isn't as good as Nadal's. Nor his serve, I'd say.

Yes way. A lot more player get up for Wimbledon. In the old days people often skipped FO. They may not skip it as much anymore, but they sure as heck don't put as much effort into it. After all, what a player rather win, Wimby or FO?

Yes way. A lot more player get up for Wimbledon. In the old days people often skipped FO. They may not skip it as much anymore, but they sure as heck don't put as much effort into it. After all, what a player rather win, Wimby or FO?

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Please name one current player other than Fed who is a great grasscourt player? There are far fewer great grasscourt players than there are great claycourters.

And also name me one player in recent history that skipped RG because they felt it was insignificant? And Andy "clay mug" Roddick does not count.

Also,didn't a lot of clay court player's used to skip Wimby in the past? Skipping a tournament because you suck on that particular surface doesn't make it less prestigious.