Philbb:AdolfOliverPanties: I didn't even bother watching the last few episodes of "Last Resort" once they announced the cancellation. What's the point?

"Last Resort" was given a chance to come up with a semi clean series end after it was canceled. I don't know if it worked or not since I haven't yet seen the last few episodes.

It was obviously a hasty ending to tie things up but the basic premise led to that being doable from the start, (for a submarine based series, being destroyed is an easy game over situation). I didn't see it going past a season anyway without it getting into Lost territory so 13 vs 24 episodes is not too bad really.

I had my own issues with the series but that had to do with the setting and how things actually work more than the plot if I suspended disbelief on my own experience.

/the CO does not have a general alarm switch in his stateroom for starters

Typo aside, the article actually brings up a fair point. I rarely watch premieres anymore, because I don't want to actually LIKE something only to see it gone 5 episodes later. I made the mistake of getting hooked on Awake just this past year by doing just that, even though it was clear by the 3rd episode or so the show wasn't going to make it.

It's way easier just to wait a season (or midway through the first season if the show is a runaway success). Then you don't get the unneeded attachment to failures, and in these internet days it's incredibly easy to catch up on any show.

...y'know what shows survive to midseason? Sitcoms. Procedurals. Formulaic shows which have been proven to work, and thus get a longer leash. Shows on cable channels, which have a much lower threshold of success than on a network. Face it: Burn Notice, Suits, Psych, Homeland, Californication, The Walking Dead, even Weeds would all have not even gotten one full season had they been put on a network. Meanwhile, shows like Firefly, Dark Angel, et al probably would have gotten quite a few more seasons had they started on a cable channel first. Just take a look at two "salvaged" network shows: Southland and Cougartown. On NBC, Southland was pulling 7.0 ratings...not good enough on Thursday nights. But on TNT, pulling 2.5 million viewers makes it a hit. For Cougar Town, 1.3 million viewers on TBS makes it "solid" (if unspectacular, even for cable), while three times that amount is why it got canned from ABC in the first place.

In short, TV networks are trying to stay generalized in a niche world, and they're losing the battle. So are cable channels which should be niches, but try to generalize (lookin' at you, Syfy). Meanwhile, the only way to stay competitive and generalized is to not take huge risks, cut costs, and be quick with the plug on something that's expensive. Thus, cookie-cutter procedurals and sitcoms that re-use sets, and reality teevee where the hosts' paychecks, while very large, don't even come close to that of what five or six actors would make over a season's worth of a mid-level show. And those that wait to hook onto shows they think are good have nothing to hook onto.

Mugato:NuttierThanEver: Would love if the US shows could be written more like good UK ones with a definete story arc and ending in mind from the get go

The problem with that is that if a show still has the ratings and they can still afford the cast, they'll go on long after their logical conclusion. Supernatural for example, should have ended after they prevented Armageddon and stopped Lucifer and Michael. But since they still have the numbers and it's almost impossible for a show on the CW to get canceled, it'll go on forever.

You Brits should talk. Dr. Who's been on for like 50 years. At least the 3 Star Trek shows that made it to 7 years quit while they were somewhat on top.

People seem to forget, but Doctor Who is a KIDS SHOW! Yes it is written well so that all ages can enjoy it, but the original intent is to be a show that is scary and exciting for children.

Plus the great thing about Who is that if the show starts going south, like it did with Tennant, the bosses can can it, rehire the main character and a new director and start over without having to worry about continuity.

Girion47:Mugato: NuttierThanEver: Would love if the US shows could be written more like good UK ones with a definete story arc and ending in mind from the get go

The problem with that is that if a show still has the ratings and they can still afford the cast, they'll go on long after their logical conclusion. Supernatural for example, should have ended after they prevented Armageddon and stopped Lucifer and Michael. But since they still have the numbers and it's almost impossible for a show on the CW to get canceled, it'll go on forever.

You Brits should talk. Dr. Who's been on for like 50 years. At least the 3 Star Trek shows that made it to 7 years quit while they were somewhat on top.

People seem to forget, but Doctor Who is a KIDS SHOW! Yes it is written well so that all ages can enjoy it, but the original intent is to be a show that is scary and exciting for children.

Plus the great thing about Who is that if the show starts going south, like it did with Tennant, the bosses can can it, rehire the main character and a new director and start over without having to worry about continuity.

Jorn the Younger:Girion47: Mugato: NuttierThanEver: Would love if the US shows could be written more like good UK ones with a definete story arc and ending in mind from the get go

The problem with that is that if a show still has the ratings and they can still afford the cast, they'll go on long after their logical conclusion. Supernatural for example, should have ended after they prevented Armageddon and stopped Lucifer and Michael. But since they still have the numbers and it's almost impossible for a show on the CW to get canceled, it'll go on forever.

You Brits should talk. Dr. Who's been on for like 50 years. At least the 3 Star Trek shows that made it to 7 years quit while they were somewhat on top.

People seem to forget, but Doctor Who is a KIDS SHOW! Yes it is written well so that all ages can enjoy it, but the original intent is to be a show that is scary and exciting for children.

Plus the great thing about Who is that if the show starts going south, like it did with Tennant, the bosses can can it, rehire the main character and a new director and start over without having to worry about continuity.

It's not a "KIDS SHOW!" it's a Family show.

In reference to Doctor Who, Steve 'Little Miss' Moffat has stated that it is a children's show adults can enjoy. On Richard Bacon's Radio 5 show he said:

"Everyone by the end of the opening music is a kid! It is watched by more adults than kids, but there is something at its heart, which belongs to children. All the best stuff is children's. You look at a risotto on a menu and you see the children's menu and there's sausage and chips. All the good stuff belongs to children."

Dear Liz Lemon: While other women have bigger boobs than you, no other woman has as big a heart. When I saw you getting ready to go out and get nailed by a bunch of guys last night, I knew for sure it was over between us, and for the first time since the '86 World Series, I cried... I cried like a big, dumb homo. And if it was up to me, we'd be together forever. But there's a new thing called "women's liberation", which gives you women the right to choose and you have chosen to abort me, and that I must live with. So tonight, when you arrive home, I'll be gone. I officially renounce my squatter's rights.

I guess a lot of the problem is they do all the filming before the network decides whether or not to continue the series. And, once the network says "it's done," they don't want to spring for the cost to reshoot an episode that brings the story(ies) to an end.

I want all writers of TV shows to include a clause in their contracts with the network:

"If the network decides to cancel airing of this show, or decides it will not renew this show for an additional season, it will provide notice to the production staff prior to the beginning of taping of the intended final episode. If this is not possible, the network will pay in full for an additional episode to be written and filmed, including costs associated with procuring the necessary actors, writing and production staff, sets, etc."

It'd take a revolution practically, but that's what I'd like to see. I get that when a show is not producing ratings it needs to be removed, but don't leave us f%$#ing hanging guys.

gadian:Want to know what alienates viewers? Mid-season breaks. Take one week off here, three here, three months here (not the summer break, mind you, mid-prime time season), shuffle the time slot for good measure. Stop that! There are a number of shows I was interested in and just never went back after checking in for a few weeks and not seeing a new episode for no reason. If you insist on making 23 episodes, show them consistently, in order, no weird weeks off, and then repeat. How hard is that?

That's almost as bad as those short season shows that only get 12 or 13 episodes a year. By the time they air again (9 months later) you've completely forgotten what was going on last season.

I'm also pissed off about Sliders. Not just how Siffy ended it on a cliffhanger, but how they and Fox ruined the show by putting hacks in charge and by being scared of anything but movie of the week world.

Once they strayed from the "What if?" premise and replaced Wade with an uppity skank, it all went downhill. Killing off Arturo was like watching the shark jump a pile of dead sharks.

gadian:Want to know what alienates viewers? Mid-season breaks. Take one week off here, three here, three months here (not the summer break, mind you, mid-prime time season), shuffle the time slot for good measure. Stop that! There are a number of shows I was interested in and just never went back after checking in for a few weeks and not seeing a new episode for no reason. If you insist on making 23 episodes, show them consistently, in order, no weird weeks off, and then repeat. How hard is that?

Even worse are the shows that give you half a season, then go on hiatus for six months or more. Nothing more than a lame excuse to split one season into two DVD/BR box sets. You already have the whole cast and crew together, so just film the whole f*cking season already!

Girion47:Jorn the Younger: Girion47: Mugato: NuttierThanEver: Would love if the US shows could be written more like good UK ones with a definete story arc and ending in mind from the get go

The problem with that is that if a show still has the ratings and they can still afford the cast, they'll go on long after their logical conclusion. Supernatural for example, should have ended after they prevented Armageddon and stopped Lucifer and Michael. But since they still have the numbers and it's almost impossible for a show on the CW to get canceled, it'll go on forever.

You Brits should talk. Dr. Who's been on for like 50 years. At least the 3 Star Trek shows that made it to 7 years quit while they were somewhat on top.

People seem to forget, but Doctor Who is a KIDS SHOW! Yes it is written well so that all ages can enjoy it, but the original intent is to be a show that is scary and exciting for children.

Plus the great thing about Who is that if the show starts going south, like it did with Tennant, the bosses can can it, rehire the main character and a new director and start over without having to worry about continuity.

It's not a "KIDS SHOW!" it's a Family show.

In reference to Doctor Who, Steve 'Little Miss' Moffat has stated that it is a children's show adults can enjoy. On Richard Bacon's Radio 5 show he said:

"Everyone by the end of the opening music is a kid! It is watched by more adults than kids, but there is something at its heart, which belongs to children. All the best stuff is children's. You look at a risotto on a menu and you see the children's menu and there's sausage and chips. All the good stuff belongs to children."

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Yes. Made for everyone, children, and adults who are children at heart. That's why it's a family show.

Kids shows are shows kids watch, that hold no interest for adults.Family shows are shows that kids watch, that also appeal to and entertain adults.

ReapTheChaos:gadian: Want to know what alienates viewers? Mid-season breaks. Take one week off here, three here, three months here (not the summer break, mind you, mid-prime time season), shuffle the time slot for good measure. Stop that! There are a number of shows I was interested in and just never went back after checking in for a few weeks and not seeing a new episode for no reason. If you insist on making 23 episodes, show them consistently, in order, no weird weeks off, and then repeat. How hard is that?

That's almost as bad as those short season shows that only get 12 or 13 episodes a year. By the time they air again (9 months later) you've completely forgotten what was going on last season.

The short seasons have been some of the best programming that I've seen. Battlestar's first season and the regular seasons of Breaking Bad were both around a dozen. I think it's better for on-going story driven series to be allowed a shorter format. Their writers don't have to create fluff to draw out seasons, letting them focus on the main storyline.

Of course it's a pain when you have to wait most of the year for the series. My solution has been to latch onto a few series I enjoy. Breaking Bad, True Blood, Mad Men.

fusillade762:AdolfOliverPanties: It's way easier just to wait a season (or midway through the first season if the show is a runaway success). Then you don't get the unneeded attachment to failures, and in these internet days it's incredibly easy to catch up on any show.

THIS. I didn't even bother watching the last few episodes of "Last Resort" once they announced the cancellation. What's the point?

Actually "Last Resort" did get a proper ending, of sorts.

Creators Shawn Ryan and Karl Gajdusek got the call of doom from ABC after writing the episode as though it was just Episode 13 and not the series finale. So the pair got out their erasers and rewrote large chunks of the episode to turn it into the final installment of Last Resort. It's totally shiatty that that had to happen, but given the unforgiving circumstances they faced, I'd say Ryan and Gajdusek did a bang-up job. If nothing else, no one can say "Controlled Flight Into Terrain" was boring.

WARNING: Article contains spoilers.

I never watched the show, but I'm glad they did that instead of trying to force the network's hand by writing in a 'fk you' cliffhanger. More American shows need to follow suit.

dugitman:Well, the way they make shows is, they make one show. That show's called a pilot. Then they show that show to the people who make shows, and on the strength of that one show they decide if they're going to make more shows. Some pilots get picked and become television programs.Addendum-- Some of the picked shows find a following and develop into a series where the general viewing population becomes invested in the completion of the serial. Others don't. The blogger is pissed about the ones that don't.

see also: No Ordinary Family .. which found its audience after the show was cancelled. The curse of netflix and DVDs :( Sometimes you don't find the real gems until it's far, far too late.

My husband and I finally got around to watching the first season of the BBC's Sherlock. People have been bugging us for years to watch it, but with two little kids (and one tv), it's really hard to catch adult tv shows (not that I'm complaining, I never was a big tv watcher). We loved it, and ordered the second season right away. The only show that we catch as it runs is Game if Thrones, because it comes on after the kids go to bed; and if we miss it, we can catch it on demand.

I'm showing my age here but I'm pissed we never found out who won the election on Benson. It was Governor Gatling vs Benson vs some other guy and the episode/series ended with Benson and Gatling holding hands (not in a gay way) about to see the results. And that was it.

Mugato:I'm showing my age here but I'm pissed we never found out who won the election on Benson. It was Governor Gatling vs Benson vs some other guy and the episode/series ended with Benson and Gatling holding hands (not in a gay way) about to see the results. And that was it.

President Reagan mercy-nuked the country to death before the final results were tabulated. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Journeyman is the first show that pops in my mind when I think of shows cancelled too soon. Others are: Earth 2, Space Above and Beyond, Enterprise, Alien Nation, Chicago Hope, and Chicago Code. (Must be bad luck to have Chicago in the title)

pladius:Journeyman is the first show that pops in my mind when I think of shows cancelled too soon. Others are: Earth 2, Space Above and Beyond, Enterprise, Alien Nation, Chicago Hope, and Chicago Code. (Must be bad luck to have Chicago in the title)

pladius:Journeyman is the first show that pops in my mind when I think of shows cancelled too soon. Others are: Earth 2, Space Above and Beyond, Enterprise, Alien Nation, Chicago Hope, and Chicago Code. (Must be bad luck to have Chicago in the title)

You have to admit, though, that The Chicago Code had a pretty badass ending. Terriers, too, could have gone longer but serves perfectly well as a miniseries.

ExperianScaresCthulhu:see also: No Ordinary Family .. which found its audience after the show was cancelled. The curse of netflix and DVDs :( Sometimes you don't find the real gems until it's far, far too late.

wait, No Ordinary Family has a following now? I thought it was crap that only benefited from having a good cast.

I'm glad that Lost Resort at least got enough notice to wrap up its storyline. It was a very quick epilogue that showed they probably had enough material to finish a full season, but at least there wasn't any sort of cliffhanger. Overall, the show would have made a great single-season series, if it had been planned that way from the start.

It was similar to the wrap-up of Pushing Daisies, which was cancelled way too soon. At least they were able to tack on an epilogue to the final episode to bring it to some sort of closure.

Speaking of unresolved cliffhangers, what about Babylong 5: Crusade? Sure, the show was terrible, but they never even bothered wrapping up the plot. Even though they had at least one TV movie after the series was over, they ignored the fact that the entirety of Earth was doomed to die.

I'm still mad about the way they ended Forever Knight... with Lacroix about to stake Nick! That was just not nice to the fans! :( They knew the series wasn't ever coming back, why not end it the way it was originally written to be ended - with everyone dying and Lacroix going up to the roof to burn in the morning sun... would have been better closure.

The thing is, the networks for supposedly being run by smart people are pretty fraking stupid.

They wail and moan that nobody is watching serialized dramas with long story arcs....and yet when they have a serialized drama with a long story arc, that isn't bringing in as many viewers as they think they should be getting, they can it. Leading the viewers to not watch the next one because...fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I am also a huge fan of Eureka, but it was beginning to go downhill. Everything since the timeline shift was a bit underwhelming. Almost every case of the week ended up being world-threatening and the Felicia Day arc was way too much of a focus for what seemed like half a season. One more season of the show might have still been good, but the show had a good run of episodes and I'm fine with when it ended.

Personally, I am incredibly disappointed that Alphas got canned. It was excellent, but it was enjoyable and still one of the few new Sci-Fi shows on Syfy.

I haven't seen all of those, but Sliders went at least two years too long. There are about a million reasons that show went wrong, but to say it was "hitting its stride" in season five would be a gross misrepresentation of that show.

No Ordinary Family was okay, and I really liked the storyline with Autumn Reeser's character, but that final fight scene may have been the worst thing ever filmed. I was honestly ready for that show to go after that scene.

V was only "hitting its stride" in the sense that they had finally killed off all the annoying characters. They might have been able to do some more interesting things later, but I think it had its run.

I really like Eureka, but that show had the frustrating habit of rebooting the show anytime things started to get really interesting. They probably could have gone on longer, but that's another show that probably ended at a good time.

The thing is, the networks for supposedly being run by smart people are pretty fraking stupid.

They wail and moan that nobody is watching serialized dramas with long story arcs....and yet when they have a serialized drama with a long story arc, that isn't bringing in as many viewers as they think they should be getting, they can it. Leading the viewers to not watch the next one because...fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I honestly don't understand this attitude. Television shows aren't like books or movies. With the possible exception of Game of Thrones, they're episodic in nature so that each episode can be viewed on its own, independent of the rest, even in a serialized show. The example I always use is Lost. That pilot is an awesome piece of television and I go back and watch it on its own every now and then. If Lost had been canceled after its first season, would that have made the show any less worth watching? If a show is really that good, closure should be a bonus, the cherry on top at the end of a great ride. And most of the time, when we do get closure, it just end up pissing off a lot of viewers anway. When's the last time a long-running show that got to end things on its own terms had a finale air to universal acclaim? Lost, Battlestar Galactica, The Sopranos, Chuck, Fringe all pissed off some segments of the fanbase to varying degrees.

rugman11:When's the last time a long-running show that got to end things on its own terms had a finale air to universal acclaim? Lost, Battlestar Galactica, The Sopranos, Chuck, Fringe all pissed off some segments of the fanbase to varying degrees.

Star Trek: TNG had a pretty universally liked finale. Of course, that was an almost purely episodic show. Serialized shows with finales? I don't think there's a way to have one without pissing off a large number of the fans. Maybe Babylon 5, if you ignore the rest of the season 5 episodes?

Typo aside, the article actually brings up a fair point. I rarely watch premieres anymore, because I don't want to actually LIKE something only to see it gone 5 episodes later. I made the mistake of getting hooked on Awake just this past year by doing just that, even though it was clear by the 3rd episode or so the show wasn't going to make it.

It's way easier just to wait a season (or midway through the first season if the show is a runaway success). Then you don't get the unneeded attachment to failures, and in these internet days it's incredibly easy to catch up on any show.

No mention of Soap?? I randomly stumbled on a marathon Comedy Central was airing for this show like 15 years ago and got completely hooked. I watched every episode over the course of the weekend but then thought I must've missed the damn finale somehow. It wasn't until way later that I found out the series ended on a cliffhanger. Sonofabiatch! Did Jessica die? What happened to Burt??? Come on!

NeoCortex42:Speaking of unresolved cliffhangers, what about Babylong 5: Crusade? Sure, the show was terrible, but they never even bothered wrapping up the plot. Even though they had at least one TV movie after the series was over, they ignored the fact that the entirety of Earth was doomed to die.

No, they didn't. The finale of Babylon 5 shows that Earth is just fine and dandy some 17-18 years after the Shadow War, and some 12 or so years after the Drahk attacked. Also in the episode "Deconstruction of Falling Stars" at the end, Delenn's epilogue states that they "won the Drakh War." So it was a foregone conclusion that somehow a cure to the Drakh plague would be found. As with B5, the series was never going to be about the Drakh plague itself, rather the search for it would uncover the core part of the story. It would be the equivalent of in B5 thinking that the Raiders were the central enemy after a few episodes.

Words from JMS were that the core part of the story would likely deal with leftover Shadow tech from the war, and deal more and more with the Technomages. There was a series of books who delt with them, but the overall ideas that Crusade was to reveal were never brought to light to my knowledge. But it was never going to just be about the Drakh Plague. It was another 5 year arc.

NeoCortex42:Star Trek: TNG had a pretty universally liked finale. Of course, that was an almost purely episodic show. Serialized shows with finales? I don't think there's a way to have one without pissing off a large number of the fans. Maybe Babylon 5, if you ignore the rest of the season 5 episodes?

See, I'm one of the few I guess who liked Season 5 of B5. Granted, many of the plot points that were meant for Season 5 were condensed into Season 4 when they thought the P-Ten network was going under and there wouldn't be a Season 5 (TNT bought and saved them at the 11th hour). I heard that Season 4 was originally supposed to end with Sheridan's capture and interrogation, but that Season 5 would start off trying to resolve the Earth conflict by mid-season, and leave the rest as "empire building" with the Telepath crisis and other issues dealing with the new Alliance....and of course Centauri Prime. However when they forced the Earth stuff all into Season 4, it didn't leave a ton for Season 5, but what we did get I thought was good. Some of the best Londo/G'Kar stuff in the entire series, the struggles of setting up a new alliance/government, and a great 4-5 episode wind-down of the show. I really enjoyed Season 5 (well, except maybe Bryon, but I'll admit his character was well portrayed and necessary, he was just as annoying as he probably should be).

neurodoclove:No mention of Soap?? I randomly stumbled on a marathon Comedy Central was airing for this show like 15 years ago and got completely hooked. I watched every episode over the course of the weekend but then thought I must've missed the damn finale somehow. It wasn't until way later that I found out the series ended on a cliffhanger. Sonofabiatch! Did Jessica die? What happened to Burt??? Come on!

recoil47:NeoCortex42: Speaking of unresolved cliffhangers, what about Babylong 5: Crusade? Sure, the show was terrible, but they never even bothered wrapping up the plot. Even though they had at least one TV movie after the series was over, they ignored the fact that the entirety of Earth was doomed to die.

No, they didn't. The finale of Babylon 5 shows that Earth is just fine and dandy some 17-18 years after the Shadow War, and some 12 or so years after the Drahk attacked. Also in the episode "Deconstruction of Falling Stars" at the end, Delenn's epilogue states that they "won the Drakh War." So it was a foregone conclusion that somehow a cure to the Drakh plague would be found. As with B5, the series was never going to be about the Drakh plague itself, rather the search for it would uncover the core part of the story. It would be the equivalent of in B5 thinking that the Raiders were the central enemy after a few episodes.

Words from JMS were that the core part of the story would likely deal with leftover Shadow tech from the war, and deal more and more with the Technomages. There was a series of books who delt with them, but the overall ideas that Crusade was to reveal were never brought to light to my knowledge. But it was never going to just be about the Drakh Plague. It was another 5 year arc.

The Drakh plague was clearly a McGuffin with the focus of the series being the adventures they went on while searching for a cure. I have no problem with that. Still, it seemed like if they were going to make another TV movie after the series had ended, it would have been worthwhile to give it a proper story and conclusion, instead of just "yep, Earth is fine in the future".

NeoCortex42:recoil47: NeoCortex42: Speaking of unresolved cliffhangers, what about Babylong 5: Crusade? Sure, the show was terrible, but they never even bothered wrapping up the plot. Even though they had at least one TV movie after the series was over, they ignored the fact that the entirety of Earth was doomed to die.

No, they didn't. The finale of Babylon 5 shows that Earth is just fine and dandy some 17-18 years after the Shadow War, and some 12 or so years after the Drahk attacked. Also in the episode "Deconstruction of Falling Stars" at the end, Delenn's epilogue states that they "won the Drakh War." So it was a foregone conclusion that somehow a cure to the Drakh plague would be found. As with B5, the series was never going to be about the Drakh plague itself, rather the search for it would uncover the core part of the story. It would be the equivalent of in B5 thinking that the Raiders were the central enemy after a few episodes.

Words from JMS were that the core part of the story would likely deal with leftover Shadow tech from the war, and deal more and more with the Technomages. There was a series of books who delt with them, but the overall ideas that Crusade was to reveal were never brought to light to my knowledge. But it was never going to just be about the Drakh Plague. It was another 5 year arc.

The Drakh plague was clearly a McGuffin with the focus of the series being the adventures they went on while searching for a cure. I have no problem with that. Still, it seemed like if they were going to make another TV movie after the series had ended, it would have been worthwhile to give it a proper story and conclusion, instead of just "yep, Earth is fine in the future".

I believe they wanted to, but couldn't come to an agreement with anyone. There was even an "almost" motion picture. The only B5 universe content we have been given since Crusade was the "Lost Tales" DVDs which were basically two short-storys. They were OK, but nothing to get excited over. The idea was to do more of them and make a bit of a series, but that never got off the ground either.

recoil47:I believe they wanted to, but couldn't come to an agreement with anyone. There was even an "almost" motion picture. The only B5 universe content we have been given since Crusade was the "Lost Tales" DVDs which were basically two short-storys. They were OK, but nothing to get excited over. The idea was to do more of them and make a bit of a series, but that never got off the ground either.

That's a shame. Babylon 5 created a rich universe that has a lot of potential, even away from the titular station. It's a shame it never really got the spin-offs and films Star Trek did, aside from the very short-lived and very interfered-with Crusade.