Comments on: Phil Emery: Developing late-round quarterbacks doesn’t workhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/
ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comWed, 04 Mar 2015 00:17:23 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: wnstonchillhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3343619
Wed, 07 May 2014 17:47:22 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3343619Any thoughts on developing QB’s prior to Marc Trestman coming here don’t apply now in regards to the possibilities. We’ve NEVER had a coach such as Trestman who is genuinely capable of developing a player and getting the most out of him. It all starts with assessing the player and getting the right QB here. If Emery feels the late rd. QB isn’t the answer, I’d take that to the bank! (No doubt Emery and Trestman are on the same page)
]]>By: ngarren13http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3338767
Mon, 05 May 2014 14:16:11 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3338767i have zero faith in the Bears backups. That’s why you have to draft one.
]]>By: spfripphttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3338421
Mon, 05 May 2014 06:11:05 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3338421Too much is placed on the QB. If you look at majority of the QBs who had success in their rookie year, you would find that majority of them went to a team that already had a solid core of players. Guys like David Carr went to teams with not as much support, which probably destroyed their confidence and their career.

Even though the importance of having a good QB has grown you still need an OL that can block, you still need WRs that can catch, you still need a RB that can keep the safeties from cheating and a defense that can make few stops every game. This is still the ultimate team sport.

]]>By: bobzilla1001http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3338394
Mon, 05 May 2014 05:23:20 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3338394What is the win/loss record? If you know, tell us.
My point is that defense, not QBs, wins championships.
I have the utmost respect for Brady. But Brady didn’t become Brady until after his three Super Bowl wins.
]]>By: lalder95http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3338201
Mon, 05 May 2014 02:53:12 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3338201People… He’s not saying that EVERY late round QB is a failure. Guys like Brady and Unitas are the exception to the rule. And he’s right when he says that. of the 32 starting QBs in the league now, how many were drafted after the 3rd round?
]]>By: axesprayhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337960
Sun, 04 May 2014 22:51:13 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337960He’s in charge of the Bears, there’s an unwritten rule that forbids Bear’s coaches/GMs from developing good QBs.
]]>By: jollyjoker2http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337954
Sun, 04 May 2014 22:46:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337954Montana , Brady, Unitas – all bums. Is he talking about developing no talent or his weakness in understanding what talent is?
]]>By: ohnofloriohttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337943
Sun, 04 May 2014 22:41:11 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337943Yeah taking Tom Brady was foolish…
]]>By: mackcarringtonhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337915
Sun, 04 May 2014 22:12:13 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337915John Unitas.
9th round draft pick by Pittsburgh.
Cut.
]]>By: culturalelitisthttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337908
Sun, 04 May 2014 22:04:31 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337908Part of the problem is that so many teams keep only two QBs. Late draft picks are relegated to the practice squad, and those players bounce around the league when given a brief opportunity for a regular roster spot. If the league wants to develop quarterbacks, be they top picks, late picks, undrafted or busts getting a second chance, teams should be required to keep a third quarterback.
]]>By: brownsmakemecrazyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337797
Sun, 04 May 2014 20:49:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337797From 1992-2012, 52 QBs have been taken in the 1st round, and 24 have had successful careers, only 46% success rate, so to Emery’s point, yes 1st round QB have the best percent chance, but overall, 46% is not a very good percentage, according to the alleged genius scouts. I think this proves how inept scouting depts and organizations are.
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Sun, 04 May 2014 19:26:03 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337671bobzilla1001 says: May 4, 2014 12:13 PM

By the way, the Pats haven’t won a Super Bowl since making that switch.

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And now go look at win/loss records since “that switch”

Oh yeah, look at that #1, funny how that works.

]]>By: higheriqthanyouhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337488
Sun, 04 May 2014 16:40:18 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337488When you’re responsible for breaking the bank for Jay Quitler I guess you could be a bit defensive.
]]>By: basspluckerhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337481
Sun, 04 May 2014 16:35:52 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337481Bears fan here and I can say with confidence that Phil Emery would own any poster on this site in matters of player stats and probabilities. This dude is a research geek to the core and for whatever anyone feels about the Bears, he has pulled that organization’s front office forward about 40 yrs since he came on board.
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Sun, 04 May 2014 16:26:43 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337464Love the geniuses on here naming all the first round busts they can think of as proof that Emery is wrong. Seriously, take a statistics class.

It is an absolute statistical fact that the vast majority of franchise level starting QBs in the NFL over time have been high draft picks. Just because you can name a few high draft picks that didn’t make it or a few low round draft picks that did, doesn’t change statistical fact.

Actually, your ability to so quickly come up with the names of the outliers proves the point- they are noteworthy because of their uniqueness.

]]>By: bearshaterseverywherehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337449
Sun, 04 May 2014 16:18:56 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337449Josh McCown and Jay Cutler had they’re best seasons under Emery and Trestman. Josh was the hottest FA QB this year. Jay got a huge contact after his best season, but Emery doesn’t know what he is talking about with his study….
]]>By: TheDPRhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337445
Sun, 04 May 2014 16:17:08 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337445“Most of the starters in this league come from the first and second round. So that’s where you need to take a quarterback.”

This assumes that most of the starters in the league are actually good quarterbacks. They’re not.

There are a handful of elite QBs. Another handful of good quarterbacks. And there are 20-22 starting quarterbacks that range from mediocre at best to horrid.

His reasoning is faulty.

]]>By: bearshaterseverywherehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337442
Sun, 04 May 2014 16:14:41 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337442Emery made the Bears offense the 2nd best scoring offense in 1 single season, but he doesn’t know what is talking about…..right.
]]>By: bobzilla1001http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337439
Sun, 04 May 2014 16:13:22 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337439Tom Brady didn’t become the QB he is today until the Patriots stopped relying on their defense and started to rely heavily on their offense. By the way, the Pats haven’t won a Super Bowl since making that switch. Funny how that works.
]]>By: John A.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337435
Sun, 04 May 2014 16:10:46 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337435I sort of see his point. But you can make that case for *any* late-round draft pick: they don’t usually make it to be a starter, much less a valuable starter.

You only get 53 roster spots to work with. When the GM and head coach are only given three or four seasons to make things work, you need every roster spot every season to make a difference quickly. You are unlikely to have that when you use a roster spot on any low draft pick.

Using a roster spot for any developmental draft pick is a luxury most coaches and GMs simply do not have.

]]>By: whatthehellisgoingonouttherehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337429
Sun, 04 May 2014 16:06:25 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337429What Emery also didn’t mention is that developing 1st round Quarterbacks doesn’t work either. See: Jay Cutler
]]>By: descendencyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337423
Sun, 04 May 2014 16:04:31 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337423A lot of posters are ignoring that NFL scouting has gotten better over the years. New techniques are learned to evaluate players and there has been a tremendous amount of emphasis on QB scouting.

There might be a reason that no starting QBs were drafted after round 3 from 2006 onward.

Does he take other factors into consideration such as O-line talent, receiver talent, COACHING ability, or a franchise’s overall ability to field a winning team?

Year after year we see the same teams show up on Sundays only to go through the motions. How many great non-QB players are stuck on these teams, lanquishing week after week, unable to shine because of a poor coaching plan, a spiritless locker room.

It’s not all on the players. Great coaches are able to motivate the young men to do their best and give them a strategy to go out and do it.

I’d like to see Emery conduct a little study on the winning records of front office people and coaching staffs.

It’s not just the QB who’s responsible for pulling a team’s chestnuts out of the fire every week. I would say “Shame on Phil Emery”, but really its “Shame on us” if we accept his limited and shallow conclusion here.

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Sun, 04 May 2014 15:55:43 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337408Hindsight is 20-20
]]>By: gobears84http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337400
Sun, 04 May 2014 15:52:07 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337400This conversation is vastly oversimplified. Emery doesn’t have the time to explain and spoon feed to each and every person how he evaluates QB’s. He gave you a general rule and some of you are taking it literally. Listen to the press conference. He saying that in general, the later rounds have not produced starting or long term QB’s. in addition, you don’t draft a QB unless you think he has the goods anyways. QB success depends on many factors, the team that picks them, offense scheme, weapons, position coaches and on down the line. Later rounds give you better VALUE at other positions…and I agree. Look at ’06 til present from rounds 4 and on for other positions and you will see a much higher success rate.
]]>By: dcapettinihttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337399
Sun, 04 May 2014 15:49:28 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337399Joe Montana was a third round draft pick. Johnny Unitas was a ninth round pick. Matt Schaub – third round, David Garrard – round 4, Marc Bulger – round 6, plus a bunch of guys who have had good careers like Orloff, Orlovsky, Chad Pennington, Seneca Wallace, Charlie Frye, Chris Simms, Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and others. They don’t seem like a bad bet compared to the busts in the first round like Akili Smith, JaMarcus Russell, Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf, The list of first and second round busts is higher than for the late rounds. These guys are just the most egregious.
]]>By: sburns20http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337381
Sun, 04 May 2014 15:27:37 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337381A lot of you seem to be missing the point. I think he’s got a point. The game isn’t the same as the 80’s and 90’s when you get find guys like Brady. Too much info is out there now. This is from 2006 and on so bringing up moon, warner, etc isn’t what he’s talking about he’s talking about today’s game. Same thing as the draft used to have more then 7 rounds which would mean guys like Super Bowl MVP Richard dent wouldn’t of been drafted.

Also emery didn’t trade for cutler either that was Angelo that’s like saying belichek lost Super Bowl 20 to the bears woven though he has nothing to so with the team at that point.

]]>By: teal379http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337378
Sun, 04 May 2014 15:20:35 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337378Interesting when you look and see that since 2005 only 2 QB’s drafted in round 1 have won the Superbowl. Rodgers and Flacco and I think most would state that of those 2, Rodger is what most would want in a QB.

So basically if you look at that and what Emery is saying – no QB at any time is any good.

Got it.

]]>By: azjohnnyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/04/phil-emery-developing-late-round-quarterbacks-doesnt-work/#comment-3337373
Sun, 04 May 2014 15:16:01 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2257859#comment-3337373QBs drafted in the 1st round only have a 40% success rate. Build the rest of your team and than try to plug in a serviceable QB