there there. Let's wrap it up with dan abrams and nancy grace in phoenix covering it for her own show on hln. Will she get what she wants, the death penalty? Well, I'm not so sure that's what jodi arias wants. She's trying to use reverse psychology. It's not working. Remember she took the stand for 18 days, which is unprecedented in a bid to save her own life and now just because she takes to the airwaves but literal ly within minutes of a murder one conviction she's plopping down in front of the lights and camera to speak again probably hoping the jury and others will hear her. I'm not really persuaded. As she goes on in the interview she goes on to call the murder victim, travis alexander, he's dead in the ground with his neck slashed a hypocrite, right? So I'm not that crazy about this interview. Look, I agree on this issue with nancy. I think that she's trying to manipulate the jury. My guess is that she does want the jury to come back with a life sentence and that she's hoping that by saying she'd prefer death that the jurors will then punish her, so to speak, by giving her life in prison. It is amazing when you think about it, right? We're talking about someone who was just convicted, just convicted, moments earlier of first degree murder, her life is on the line and what is the first thing she does? She sits down in front of a camera to tell the world, you know what, you know, I didn't expect this, but I want death. There's no other way to interpret it other than her effort to talk to the jurors and she's -- look, she lies so often that it's hard to trust anything that comes out of her mouth. Nancy, she's so calm and so -- dan, don't you know her lawyers were doing a backflip? You know they did not want her to sit down in front of a camera because, remember, everything she says, the constitution will protect her from overbearing state action, i.E., The police, but the constitution is not protective from blabbing to journalists so all of this can come in at the next two phases of trial. Again, but I think I don't know that that would help the prosecution, per se, because i don't think they want to take -- calling travis a hypocrite. That part but I mean wanting death. Walk us through what happens next. The first phase is pretty easy. I mean they'll have to demonstrate an aggravating factor here. That won't be difficult to show how cruel and heinous this crime was. They're going to call a witness, maybe a couple, basically to talk about how gruesome the crime was. You then move forward pretty quickly to the death penalty phase. Where there will be a little mini trial, but a very different kind of trial because there the issue isn't was she guilty, did she do it, the question is, do the aggravating factors 3450e7bing the reasons to give the death penalty outweigh the mitigating factors, the problem for jodi arias is that it's tough to figure out what the mitigating factors are here in this case. Look, I said from the beginning I don't think this is a death penalty case. But is a technical legal matter. This is going to be a tough defense for jodi arias. Anything the defense can do right now? Well, yes, they can shut jodi arias up, number one. We're moving into a pretty quick phase. It should be a quick phase called aggravation. Every jurisdiction has a death penalty. Has, say, 5 to 15 aggravating factors. The state has limited their choice to cruel, heinous manner of death. So the state, I believe, intends to call medical examiner dr. Kevin horn to explain to the jury what this man went through prior to his death. The repeat stabbings, the slash across the neck, when he stood over his bathroom sink and looked into the mirror and saw himself die. His effort to get away, but, no, he didn't get away. She got him and slashed his throat and shot him. So he would never be detected by others and let his body decompose in the shower. That's cruel. It's not guilty or not guilt or innocence, it's proven or unproven. To move that circumstance. If the jury says, yes, we move into sentencing phase. Okay, nancy, dan, thanks very much.

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