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Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

Originally Posted by Gringo allstar

From my experience the ones who celebrate the REAL meaning of Christmas are not the ones going into debt for Christmas gifts. It seems to be more of the secular folks who focus on the big ticket gifts and trying to out spend the other person. But as far as giving some one a gift? I see nothing wrong with it. And the more america becomes secular the more materialistic it becomes.

Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

Originally Posted by US Conservative

Its about control,

I'm glad you agree that what Ben Stein is advocating is about control. He has advocated that we should all abide by the wishes of the dominant culture and live in a world where the anti-PC position of not celebrating Christmas is frowned upon.

in my example speech control-in yours behavior control in general. And thats something most Americans aren't cool with. People despise PC because it forces them (under threat of stigmatization) to use the words of another. And no, they dont need to be racists for that to be the case.

Serious question who do you know that really likes PC? Do you have something against free speech?

Free speech includes notcelebrating Christmas and criticizing it. Being anti-free speech would be to tell people that they should celebrate it because it goes against what the dominant culture believes. More importantly, the politically correct stance is to tell people that they should celebrate Christmas in order to fit in better with the dominant culture.

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Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

Originally Posted by Gringo allstar

Red can do whatever he so chooses, but what's the point? I guess I could fast during Ramadan but why would I? Am not Muslim so what purpose would it serve me? Essential when you remove Christ from his own birthday celebration you having nothing left but to spend money on trinkets and out of control materialism.... Merry Christmas

And on that note if a muslim or anyone else wished me a joyous holiday I wouldn't be offended in the least.

Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

Originally Posted by rocket88

Oh Bull****. If someone is nice enough to wish you "Merry Christmas," "Happy Holidays," or even "Happy Kwanzaa," just thank them for the well wishes and wish them the same. Otherwise you're just being an uptight ass.

I'm not the one getting uptight about whether Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays is said. So...

Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Lets see here. In the beginning of the clip Stein says, "My wife and I celebrate Christmas, big-time. I am sure we have more decorations than anyone within miles of here has.". But then he goes on to rail against commercialism... Hmmmmmmm... He admits he just bought a **** ton of Christmas lights and decorations and proudly showed them off in the video, but then goes on to rail against the "commercialism" of the Christmas season.... Can you say hypocrite..??

I noticed you glanced completely over his point on Christmas though, while interjecting your own marxist spin. Care to comment on his thoughts on Christmas?

Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

Originally Posted by Gringo allstar

Why are you offended by a Target cashier saying Merry Christmas?? And how is happy HOLY days any less Offensive?

I don't care, that is the point. I don't care whether someone chooses to say Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Season's Greetings, or Have a Wonderful Holiday Season. None of it offends me, I don't care. The only reason why any of that ever became controversial was a bunch of social conservatives wanted to gin up another opportunity to play the victim.

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Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

Originally Posted by lizzie

Any expression of affection and good wishes, I take as a good thing. There's way too much suffering in the world, to be offended by good wishes. If you can't just appreciate that someone wishes you well in a season that is special to them, then your attitude sucks.

I don't know if you've ever read my story about my old friend from when I used to work the pedi icu unit back in the 80's. One of the pediatricians was a Jewish man from NYC, and he moved down here to be the medical director of the unit I worked on. Over the first year that he was here, we became good friends- close enough that he would take me to lunch for my birthday, or spend time in his office just talking about life. One year for Christmas, I gave him a funny Christmas card. On front of the card, was a picture of a red rose. Inside, it read :

Roses are Reddish
Violets are Bluish
If it wasn't for Jesus
We all would be Jewish.

We got some great laughs out of that, and it was nice to have a friend who was Jewish, who also celebrated Christmas, and wasn't offended that I joked about religion, and didn't get his ass upon his shoulders if someone said Merry Christmas to him.

Thats what Im talking about! Theres no need to get butthurt over whats meant as a pleasant comment. And we should laugh about the differences a bit, instead of all the "outrage". BTW, "ass upon his shoulders" is hilarious, im gonna use that.

Re: Do you agree with Ben Stein's unique Christmas perspective?

I noticed you glanced completely over his point on Christmas though, while interjecting your own marxist spin.

Awhhh man showing that his own words go against a major part of this rant is "Marxist". Wahh, wahhh.
I forget anything that goes against your points in any given thread is "Marxist".

Care to comment on his thoughts on Christmas?

What that it makes a lot of people feel warm and fuzzy inside?
Sure. I celebrate it. Im an atheist, but I dont celebrate it for the "birth of Christ". I celebrate it because its an excuse to bring my family together, my extended family together. I celebrate it because I was always raised to celebrate it. Was that the point?