if the movie to be made out of new republic gossip and a huge bestselling book (and apparently potential movie) to be made out of espn gossip i guarantee you there's a magazine feature to be made out of pfork gossip, esp since there's apparently mutliple thinkpieces and a potential mumblecore movie to be made out of 'what does pfork signify???'.

let's not forget that scott's charming little freakout on here was reported in the daily swarm and a whole bunch of places, so i'm guessing richard beck just saw that and doesn't, like, regularly lurk here (although he might be reading right now, hi boo!)

Like the difference is that there literally hasn't been a story coming out of Pitchfork that's a modicum as interesting as Stephen Glass to make a movie about. I'm sure middle america would be riveted by the harrowing tale of how hipinion got a joanna newsom album three weeks early, and the other time Nasty Little Man got mad at them, and that day they had the word "rape gaze" on their site for five hours. Keep thinking the ppl that went to see Shattered Glass were all New Republic stans though with your hilarious graph that proves literally nothing, balls.

i'm sure middle america would be riveted by the harrowing tale of how hipinion got a joanna newsom album three weeks early, and the other time Nasty Little Man got mad at them, and that day they had the word "rape gaze" on their site for five hours. Keep thinking the ppl that went to see Shattered Glass were all New Republic stans though with your hilarious graph that proves literally nothing, balls.

the whole 'i could never spend ten bucks on a literary magazine, let me regurgitate out of context quotes for lols, refusal to engage w/ideas' thing is just p dispiriting

because there's nothing really to engage with? nitsuh already said it. it's 5,000 words of recieved wisdom thats basically stuff that every person on this thread knows about already. Its like a book report.

if there was an apparently untapped market for a feature on the history of THE NATIONAL to be grantland's big coming out piece (and unless i'm mistaken still the only thing that's been on grantland that couldn't have appeared on page 2 or vulture)(besides the ongoing legitimization of carles) i promise you there's a market for a history/behind the scenes of pfork, esp since there is apparently a huge market for regular hack thinkpieces on 'pfork: what does it all mean?'.

Paying close attention to "indie rock" is so 1992. I read Pitchfork as much as any music lover (once a week if I'm lucky) and I just don't know anyone who does this. With 9/11 and the U.S. involved in two wars I think people have different priorities.

No, but I'm sure 9/11 and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan altered people's news consumption habits greatly, and those habits sink in. Most people I know on Facebook, for example, spend more time with newspapers and opinion pieces.

It's not that I hate Pitchfork or find it dull, it's that I use it more as a consumer than as someone who consumes music opinion in and of itself.

I think it's an ongoing habit of a lot of people to look at things like pop music, and pop music press/criticism, and have this furious epiphany that it, let's say, "merely supports an existing consumer culture" -- as opposed, I guess, to being a bold, radical, revolutionary critique -- which to me is the biggest, strangest DUH thing in the universe. It's called POPULAR music! It exists in a space that's sort of between being a entertainment product and being fine art! This is a lot of what makes it great and interesting and gives it the potential to be really fascinating! What's maybe been harder for people to wrap their heads around is the idea that pop writing exists in a similar space between, you know, consumer/entertainment reporting and really seriously committed criticism. (And the market is mostly for the former of those two things.)

The truth is that I inherited expensive tastes and moved to an expensive city, and sometimes I get cranky about not being able to buy what I want. But when I don't feel like reminding myself of these things, I can listen to indie music.

i bought the n+1 issue for the juggalo article, as well as to see if there were any letters printed about the evils of the ipod article from the previous issue.