Well, at one point in time I thought the same thing, but just to set things right, I made 422whp on a Mustang that everyone calls the heart breaker because it reads low. I've made over 400whp on HPF's DynoJet a long time ago and only made 365 on the Mustang this past spring for the FFTEC open house. I do plan on going back to HPF in Portland and getting another dyno once I get back home to see where I started from and where I'm at today. I do have old dynos with them when my car was stock. So it will be interesting to see how things have progressed over the course of the past two years...

Originally Posted by exZackt

Okay, I only wondered because 500whp seems a little unrealistic on stock turbos

Maybe its a high reading Mustang dyno, just trying to make sense of those numbers

*Also I'm not trying to take anything away from Wedge.. congrats Wedge sounds like your car is really healthy

Terry was fishing and was trying to call out single turbo right when Shiv was trying to fix an torque related shifting issue on the AT singles. You all need to cut Shiv some slack because he's really pushing the limits to see what we can do with the car.

I need to cut Shiv slack? He's been running his mouth here about these single turbos and how guys are rolling around enjoying them blah blah blah but reality is the kit is still being tweaked. Reality also seems to be he has some hand picked guys he is using as guinea pigs to test the setup before it really goes out to everyone as a complete kit. Probably why we have only seen dragstrip numbers from him and not any actual customers.

That said, he had to try to fix shifting issues at the event? Why would this be done last minute?

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

please remember that everything Shiv does for the N54 community will eventually make your tune better also.

Well, this entire platform is always being tested and a lot of the cars just had singles installed. R&D goes way beyound production release. As we turn up power, we're always going to find something else that needs to be tweeked. How often do you get the chance to run a car WOT for 1/2 mile. This truly is a new oportunity because in normal driving, you wouldn't see the same issues because you wouldn't be WOT through all the gears on the street.

We have a few extra slots for tomorrow. I'm sure if I ask William, he wouldn't mind putting on the FFTEC sponsor list so you can come out and play. If you really think your car is fast, I'll race you. I know my car is fast and I know the singles are faster. I've said it once and I'll say it again, put up or shut up. Then, and maybe then you might learn something new that could make your tune better.

Originally Posted by Sticky

I need to cut Shiv slack? He's been running his mouth here about these single turbos and how guys are rolling around enjoying them blah blah blah but reality is the kit is still being tweaked. Reality also seems to be he has some hand picked guys he is using as guinea pigs to test the setup before it really goes out to everyone as a complete kit. Probably why we have only seen dragstrip numbers from him and not any actual customers.

That said, he had to try to fix shifting issues at the event? Why would this be done last minute?

Ahh i didn't know they already had it out.. Off to find more info on it!

though terry found the hpfp bottlenecks still?

i'm sure there'd be something else then that's not mentioned?

... This is why when i build my n54, i'm going to avoid as much of this stuff as possible. I want my car to work, no issues, totally reliable, and i want to know exactly what's done with it, no bs, no hiding.

Well, this entire platform is always being tested and a lot of the cars just had singles installed. R&D goes way beyound production release. As we turn up power, we're always going to find something else that needs to be tweeked. How often do you get the chance to run a car WOT for 1/2 mile. This truly is a new oportunity because in normal driving, you wouldn't see the same issues because you wouldn't be WOT through all the gears on the street.

We have a few extra slots for tomorrow. I'm sure if I ask William, he wouldn't mind putting on the FFTEC sponsor list so you can come out and play. If you really think your car is fast, I'll race you. I know my car is fast and I know the singles are faster. I've said it once and I'll say it again, put up or shut up. Then, and maybe then you might learn something new that could make your tune better.

uhh, maybe you should check actually what sticky's car is, before saying anything more.. It's uhh... Yeah just go check it out before you seem sillier lol

Well, this entire platform is always being tested and a lot of the cars just had singles installed. R&D goes way beyound production release. As we turn up power, we're always going to find something else that needs to be tweeked. How often do you get the chance to run a car WOT for 1/2 mile. This truly is a new oportunity because in normal driving, you wouldn't see the same issues because you wouldn't be WOT through all the gears on the street.

Yes I realize this is all a work in progress but that is the point I'm making. The actual point the cars are at and how they have been portrayed seem to be quite different.

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

If you really think your car is fast, I'll race you. I know my car is fast and I know the singles are faster. I've said it once and I'll say it again, put up or shut up. Then, and maybe then you might learn something new that could make your tune better.

FFTEC/Vishnu failed? oh i hope today goes well for them.. i mean, is only been like, how many months since people got these single turbo cars, and were "ready" to run back then.. but i guess not.. oh how i wish i could have brought my lowly M3 there.. would have been interesting

Originally Posted by Terry@BMS

and put a few cars on Longboarder's supercharged DCT M3 (~560rw IIRC).

i guess 560 isnt 560?

im confused wedge, where is his talk of 500hp coming from if you havent run it on the dyno?

Congrats on the great runs. I'm really jealous you're running 100% e85 lol. Can't wait to see some vids.

Originally Posted by Wedge1967

Well, at one point in time I thought the same thing, but just to set things right, I made 422whp on a Mustang that everyone calls the heart breaker because it reads low. I've made over 400whp on HPF's DynoJet a long time ago and only made 365 on the Mustang this past spring for the FFTEC open house. I do plan on going back to HPF in Portland and getting another dyno once I get back home to see where I started from and where I'm at today. I do have old dynos with them when my car was stock. So it will be interesting to see how things have progressed over the course of the past two years...

Sticky will be sticky. I understand. It's easy to make a post and say whet every he wants without doing anything to back it up. I'm in Socal bro, lets get it on... Honestly for me it has nothing to do with the tune. I would have been just as happy to own COBB, but when I was researching tunes, at the time the PROcede was the best tune. Today it's about Sift S3ctor. You are there or you are not. You can't backup anything you say if you don't show up.

Flinchy, you're also welcome to come put your hp were your mouth is. My car wasn't have any issues with keeping up with Terry if you're all turning this into a tuner war. I think Terry was a nice guy and really enjoyed talking with him. I even buy parts for my car from him. But a stripped out 135 with RBs should have walked all over me, but he didn't so it would be nice if a few more RBs would show today so I have some real compatition and I can have fun running my car and we can come together as N54 owners, not tune haters. So stop sitting on your ass and get in your car and drive over and check it out. Even if you don't want to drive, come hang out with the guys. I have two pit passess anyone in SoCal who shows up can have them.

If you do make it down, look me up. It will be fun even if you do beet me. I don't really car, but it will be fun for everyone. BTW, I walked all over an Audi S4 GIAC yesterday... Spaked him.. I'm hitting 150 traps, so I should be able to get some 60 ~ times...

Originally Posted by Flinchy

True, my bad, if i could edit my post, i would, the benefits could indeed be great!

lets see some videos before you say how bad it was or close it was though.. a bumper is buslengths to some people, and i know firsthand, in car view of getting "walked by" is much harsher than you think when viewed from the outside

Hey guys, Wedge here. I have to admit it was very nice meeting Terry and we actually had a good time racing. Unfortunatly with Terry's transmission issues and our lack of coordination with our starts, we didn't really provide a solid win/loose situation. (but very close) I can tell you that I did put down 422 RWHP and 448 FT/LBS on FFTEC's Mustang dyno. I pulled on that dyno last spring at the open house and only made 365 RWHP with meth and pump gas. Also Terry commented about my trap times at 118, but those were on an old flash and e85 tune with only 2 deg of advance. Unfortunately I can't give you actual 1/4 mile traps today because I just flashed and tuned yesterday for this weekends event. Also, it's hard to compair a stripped out 135 and a full weight 335, not to mention I have well over 100 lbs on Terry. So all in all, it was a fun race and we both had a good time. I'll be there again tomorrow, so if anyone else wants to see first hand what the back end of my car looks like, feel free to look me up.

Yes we had a great time! I think all those GOPROs were slowing your car down too. My advice would be to install a set of K1s all around with drag radials, and remove the pass seat (takes 5 min), and put your reservations aside to go for the 2nd gear launch. With those changes you might have a good shot at taking or at least matching my 125mph stock turbo trap record.

Edit: Just read your later reply re our race. Keep in mind it's not the mods that make the car faster, it's the tune. So our first race I ran ~19.5psi w/ 12 degrees peak advance. Our second race ~18.5psi w/ 12 degrees peak advance. In those trims I make around 485rw and 475rw respectively on the dynojet. I'd guess my car is at least 200# lighter including our weight difference (I'm 200#). So if you are making say 450rw on a dynojet then if everything went to plan I imagine I would wind up 4-5 cars ahead at 160. But with the botched starts, and me stopping at 140 in the second race, we may not have wound up that far apart. That isn't to say I can't raise my boost to 21psi and run 15 degrees advance (as I did on the dyno) and easily make a lot more power.

Stock turbos with 20psi and a lot of advance can run really well. Believe me I ran that combo for a long time and managed 125mph traps with it, along with 8.5 60-130s. But at some point you hit the limit and want to go faster. Enter larger turbos. If you are curious how your car stacks up against mine in a similarly aggressive tune or other cars my advice would be to measure the 60-130 times with a VBOX. It's a great way to do remote comparisons. And if you are running say 7.8s with the runway incline I'll be the first to say you were running side by side with how my car was running at the runway. I think next time around once the trans is sorted I'll run on the E60 instead of MS109 and crank the advance up a few degrees.

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Is this what has occasionally happened to me at the drag strip..
twice since i got in the 11s ive shifted into 4th at 6100rpm or so and it jumped back to 3rd and redlined out b4 auto shifting into 4th again...
Sucked lol

No I don't think so. What happens is once in 5th gear under full load the transmission randomly unloads. It's not clear if its the clutches or torque converter unlocking. But when it happens RPM jumps through the roof (scary!) and bad things ensue. Since so few automatics run these power levels up to 160mph I don't have much data on the problem other than it was happening to one of my customers all day. And then started suddenly happening to me. This is different than my normal 2nd and 4th gear trans slippage. This log was against a really fast turbo E36 IIRC. We were neck and neck before I cut out but he apparently had a secret over boost mode he was waiting to use if I creeped.

Also interestingly I was using VP109 yesterday instead of my usual E60 and my advance actually was much worse. Ethanol FTW.

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