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No dice, at least for me. I am the arbiter of my own destiny, and I prefer to be self-sufficient and in control of all decisions that affect me. If I am indecisive, and if it negatively affects my life, then that is a trait that I must resolve or work around.

No dice, at least for me. I am the arbiter of my own destiny, and I prefer to be self-sufficient and in control of all decisions that affect me. If I am indecisive, and if it negatively affects my life, then that is a trait that I must resolve or work around.

But, man, all of this stuff about 6's being clingy and reliant upon others never sat well with me--it's often perceived as a core trait of the type, when it really does not have to be.

Originally Posted by skylights

may be true. i'm e6, too, which doesn't really help things.

still, i don't think white fits me very well, even though it was my test result. i am too passionate and willing to cause a stir. and i am not particularly calm.

i also think the divisions seem odd. blue seems quite complex compared to the others. i would be curious to know the reasoning behind the chosen motivations.

i am not complaining, just curious. i don't see the point of a test that is not balanced or meaningful.

The divisions do seem odd to me, too. There's one task-oriented type, and the rest seem to be focused on people and relationships. Yellow, in particular, seems like a type that's even more shallow than the Sanguine, yet focused enough for it to be difficult to identify with. Maybe there are reasons for the divisions.. not sure what they are.

But, man, all of this stuff about 6's being clingy and reliant upon others never sat well with me--it's often perceived as a core trait of the type, when it really does not have to be.

I don't know about clinginess as a core trait, just loyalty, whether to a group or an idea. The 6w5 is however the more self-reliant wing.

Originally Posted by bologna

The divisions do seem odd to me, too. There's one task-oriented type, and the rest seem to be focused on people and relationships. Yellow, in particular, seems like a type that's even more shallow than the Sanguine, yet focused enough for it to be difficult to identify with. Maybe there are reasons for the divisions.. not sure what they are.

From personal experience I would expect there to be only one task-oriented type. It's not just that we can't all be bosses, this situation is represented in other systems such as the Ansir which was based on interviews. A relatively small proportion of humanity is cut out to be a boss, the vast majority are worker bees.

Hartman thinks to have distinguished his personality system as being concerned with motivations or drives, whereas the MBTI uses a formula to explain behavior. The Enneagram however has Basic Fears and Basic Desires as well as Secondary Fears and Secondary Desires.

From personal experience I would expect there to be only one task-oriented type. It's not just that we can't all be bosses, this situation is represented in other systems such as the Ansir which was based on interviews. A relatively small proportion of humanity is cut out to be a boss, the vast majority are worker bees.

interesting. but i wonder how much that is encouraged by people who are bosses, you know? like, if i were on the top, of course i would want to encourage a system that says not everyone can be on top...

more seriously, i think it's an odd idea that there are certain people who are cut out for leadership and others are not. i think that certain people are much better at leadership in certain areas, and others are better at others. and of course individual desire to lead varies. but i think it's funny in particular because an ISTJ woman i work with is soooo very adamant that she never wants to be a leader, but she actually is the one who keeps everyone on task! she doesn't want to be official management, but she's completely delusional if she thinks she's not a leader-type.

Hartman thinks to have distinguished his personality system as being concerned with motivations or drives, whereas the MBTI uses a formula to explain behavior. The Enneagram however has Basic Fears and Basic Desires as well as Secondary Fears and Secondary Desires.

the MBTI does not explain behavior... that is a major misconception, and hartman is very misinformed if he is saying that. the MBTI is a cognitive preference indicator alone, nothing more.