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Many of the folks on this Board (especially the folks who only show up in the "Psych Ward" Gameday threads on a Saturday) were saying the same things..... so, FWIW, Jones had a lot of company.

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have to agree, for the most part, in Nov 2015. On that date, PSU was 7-5 and just got pasted by Sparty 55-16. Also, that point was probably the abyss with regard to sanctions. Thank God for #26 as a true freshmen that year because we would have had a loosing record in all probability. If not blame it on talent, blame it on coaching? that would have gone over just as badly. Donovan was fired right after that game and Moorhead was a nobody coaching at a tiny school

Having said that, Jones could have made similar statements in a much more positive light. His body of work is always really, really negative. So he doesn't have any credibility, IMHO.

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Dave Jones is a dick. A year ago he did an article about how the Sixers should not draft Fultz. I responded with some positive comments from people that knew Fultz. Last week, a year later, Jones responds to the post, and basically says "what do you think now".......

So I responded by providing cut and paste of his November 2015 and Dec.21015 articles where he said PSU was no where close to being on the same playing field as OSU, MSU, and UM. He mentioned how Harbaugh is a big time coach and they are "serious dudes". He also said at the time that PSU would struggle to find a new OC and there were going to flounder.

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Ouch on bleacher report they are saying ND basically pulled TJ Sheffield WR offer of a scholarship and are going in a different direction after the coach had called him when he committed and talked to his parents about how excited he was to coach him ....

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No doubt - Jones vav PSU Football is a dope (and probably vav other "stuff", but I wouldn't know).

That said, if you've ever peaked into those threads on a GameDay (I don't know if you do or not, but it is worth the price of admission to see the carnage up close - - - but only in small doses) you know that come September 1st at about 4:30, if PSU is up on Appy State by only a 10-7 score, the idiots will be swarming like flies to rotten beef.
(God forbid what happens if PSU is DOWN 10-7 )

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It’s awful. The same crew of about 7-8 guys. If I were one of them, I don’t think I’d have the audacity to post much here or opine on Penn State football

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Every time we mention Jones, Pickel, Pennlive we keep them somewhat relevant. How about we just ignore them and make like they don't exist?

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I tend to agree, especially when it comes to recruiting. If you think about it, guys like Jones and Pickel might not even make enough money to be able to afford to subscribe to the premium recruiting services. But assuming they can, they only have access to the same information as every other subscriber. If you're looking for recruiting insights, look elsewhere.

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We had a Dave Jones thread going for awhile (my next 10 posts will be recruiting). Other greatest hits are his video after the Mich 2016 game where he says PSU will go 3-9. And him on keystone kickoff in Jan 2016 where he goes on and on about how Franklin doesn’t fit at PSU and we should have went with Munchak.

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Ouch on bleacher report they are saying ND basically pulled TJ Sheffield WR offer of a scholarship and are going in a different direction after the coach had called him when he committed and talked to his parents about how excited he was to coach him ....

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No doubt - Jones vav PSU Football is a dope (and probably vav other "stuff", but I wouldn't know).

That said, if you've ever peaked into those threads on a GameDay (I don't know if you do or not, but it is worth the price of admission to see the carnage up close - - - but only in small doses) you know that come September 1st at about 4:30, if PSU is up on Appy State by only a 10-7 score, the idiots will be swarming like flies to rotten beef.
(God forbid what happens if PSU is DOWN 10-7 )

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You are equating an emotional, in the moment response with a planned, calculated attack on the program by someone with a far-reaching platform. Obviously, I'm passionate about the topic and this will be my last post but I'd like fans to consider the while Franklin works his ass off to build the perception and brand of the product, there are know nothing lazy malcontents standing on the sidelines pointing fingers and tearing down what the staff is trying to build... Please consider stop reading their content.

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I wrote an email to Pickel's boss at Keystone Sports Network about the illogical pessimism. Pickel is often wrong, baselessly and sometimes flying in the face of actual facts... Last year, after all of the CB's came in for big Nana to PSU, Pickel stated that he couldn't see any way we would win that battle over Clemson. He, like David Jones, never corrects himself or addresses his ill-fated predictions instead choosing only to double down as evidenced by their latest series of Articles and podcast regarding Alabama and Penn State recruiting battles and how once Alabama gets involved PSU really has no chance. I no longer click on anything from PennLive. I just don't understand the animas PennLive has towards Penn State football and their fans

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There is a long list of current Penn State players who had Alabama offers. The writers who pen columns like that are too lazy to even do the most basic research.

After the 7-6 years, there were lazy writers (incl “Mom Jeans” Audry Snyder) who were trying to say that Narduzzi was running a better program then Franklin. I started my recruiting scorecard between the two schools that showed that Franklin was cleaning his clock. The tide would turn.

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have to agree, for the most part, in Nov 2015. On that date, PSU was 7-5 and just got pasted by Sparty 55-16. Also, that point was probably the abyss with regard to sanctions. Thank God for #26 as a true freshmen that year because we would have had a loosing record in all probability. If not blame it on talent, blame it on coaching? that would have gone over just as badly. Donovan was fired right after that game and Moorhead was a nobody coaching at a tiny school

Having said that, Jones could have made similar statements in a much more positive light. His body of work is always really, really negative. So he doesn't have any credibility, IMHO.

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The main difference being its his job.
I would expect him to fail miserably if he tried to do my job, so I get a pass when I fail to do his.
I'm not perfect at my job, but if I was wrong as often as he is, I wouldn't have mine very long.
He doesn't get a pass because a bunch of amateurs thought the same way. Just proves he's an amateur.

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The main difference being its his job.
I would expect him to fail miserably if he tried to do my job, so I get a pass when I fail to do his.
I'm not perfect at my job, but if I was wrong as often as he is, I wouldn't have mine very long.
He doesn't get a pass because a bunch of amateurs thought the same way. Just proves he's an amateur.

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Latest batch of Keystone kickoff podcasts have Pickel reversing his “less than 5% chance” MJ Jr take without explanation.

I guess my pet peeve is illogical pessimism in the face of evidence indicating the opposite outcome is likely. Or negativity with no evidence either way. My favorite example of that is David Jones writing how McSorley’s “pop gun arm” would hold back the Penn State offense because he can’t stretch the field. Trace then proceeds to LEAD THE NATION in yards per completion. That’s epic stupidity in action.

Only at Penn State do we have beat writers that insult the players they are covering like that.

I wrote an email to Pickel's boss at Keystone Sports Network about the illogical pessimism. Pickel is often wrong, baselessly and sometimes flying in the face of actual facts... Last year, after all of the CB's came in for big Nana to PSU, Pickel stated that he couldn't see any way we would win that battle over Clemson. He, like David Jones, never corrects himself or addresses his ill-fated predictions instead choosing only to double down as evidenced by their latest series of Articles and podcast regarding Alabama and Penn State recruiting battles and how once Alabama gets involved PSU really has no chance. I no longer click on anything from PennLive. I just don't understand the animas PennLive has towards Penn State football and their fans

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Pickel needs to focus more on proof reading. Never have I seen more gramatical errors, spelling mistakes, and typos published.

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I do not understand all the angst towards Pickel. He seems like he tries to give a realistic point of view. I do not get a sense that he has inside information so perhaps he lacks any special knowledge about situations.

I think Jones believes he is always the smartest person in the room. His arrogance can be annoying. But I have also watched his post game videos where he said how wrong he was with certain predictions and how he was enjoying Penn State football.

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I do not understand all the angst towards Pickel. He seems like he tries to give a realistic point of view. I do not get a sense that he has inside information so perhaps he lacks any special knowledge about situations.

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It's Sean Fitz then everyone else on PSU recruiting. I don't pay for Rivals or 247 but still have a clearer picture and am better at reading tea leaves, as are a number of others who post info in this thread on a regular basis, than Pickel ever is.

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He has an event with his high school team that he cant miss or something like that. He cant come anymore, BUT his parents and family are traveling up here without him because they want to see it for themselves. That one isn't even close to over yet. He can realistically end up at 5 different schools right now, including PSU.

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There is a long list of current Penn State players who had Alabama offers. The writers who pen columns like that are too lazy to even do the most basic research.

After the 7-6 years, there were lazy writers (incl “Mom Jeans” Audry Snyder) who were trying to say that Narduzzi was running a better program then Franklin. I started my recruiting scorecard between the two schools that showed that Franklin was cleaning his clock. The tide would turn.

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Ah, Judge,...….did you intentionally use the phrase: "The TIDE would turn" sir?

EAST LANSING, Mich. - Everyone's so enamored with using metrics and numbers to judge everything these days. But it's not that complicated to assess the chasm between the top three teams in the Big Ten's East division and the fourth-place one.

Anyone with eyeballs and memories and cable TV can do it. It's the space between a McLaren and a Ferrari and a Lambo racing three abreast down a desert highway and somewhere back there a Hyundai Elantra.

The Elantra is a dependable, affordable car. I own two. But it does not belong in a competition with supercars. And that's about what James Franklin is up against here.

But talent and flash and hyperbolic rhetoric are not going to get you by the giants that are Ohio State and Michigan led by master-level coaches Urban Meyer and Jim Harbaugh. And this team that drilled Penn State on Saturday beat them both.

There is a quality going on in all three programs that can only be defined as gravitas. These are serious shops run by serious people.

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A journalistic genius. Since this loser has retired from reality, isn't it about time he retire from journalism?

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It's Sean Fitz then everyone else on PSU recruiting. I don't pay for Rivals or 247 but still have a clearer picture and am better at reading tea leaves, as are a number of others who post info in this thread on a regular basis, than Pickel ever is.

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Ryan Snyder has just as much info as Fitz. They even talk to each other, I just don't think Ryan gives out as much free info as Fitz so if you don't pay for it you wouldn't know that.