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According to some other documentary it was the cousin who thought of and brought the silly string, if I were the defense attorney I would point out the others are laughing so maybe we should arrest them. I think it is weird but look at it, they are all acting silly I think it is just diversionary thinking , a way to forget the horror temporary.

Also I recall a Long time ago some cop said they timed the back security light and it took 15 minutes for it to go off, so if Darlie was the one who dropped of the sock she didnt go out back since they said the light was off when the first cop should up.

It was her sister but look did they force Darlie to use it? You're correct, she went out the front door to drop that sock in the alley. She wouldn't have risked going out the back with a broken gate that dragged on the ground and the security lights triggering.

Having cast-off blood on her shirt doesn't mean she wielded the knife. It only means she was in close proximity to the attack. We already know that since she was on the couch.

No it doesn't. Cast off is based on the trajectory of the stains and the stains on her nightshirt were down to up with tails pointing upward to the source of the blood. North/South basically. Had the cast off stained her shirt whilst she was on the couch, the trajectory of the stains would be east/west. Also, she would have had to been sleeping on her back to get the stains on the front shoulders of her nightshirt when Damon was stabbed, then she would have had to turn over and to get Devon's cast off blood on the back of her nightshirt when he was stabbed (how likely is that) and he was at least four feet away from her, blood doesn't fly that far.

None if it matters anyway now. There are two limb hairs on the sock that don't match anyone in the house. Unless someone can explain to me how two limb hairs that don't match anyone ended up on a sock that I doubt the Routier's were lending out, that pretty much says someone else was holding that sock.

The two limb hairs have not been tested as yet so your claim they don't match anyone in the house is false. Considering fibres found on the sock were matched to Darin's Reeboks and Darin claims this sock as his, how likely is it those are his limb hairs?

Darlie's DNA from shed skin cells was found in the toe of that sock. No shed skin cells from an u/k source were found on the sock. Only the boys' blood was found as well, none of Darlie's.

Darlie's DNA from shed skin cells was found in the toe of that sock. No shed skin cells from an u/k source were found on the sock. Only the boys' blood was found as well, none of Darlie's.

This is one point about this case that bothers me. If an intruder wore that sock on his hand, why no skin cells, only Darlie's? Does he have gloves? I mean he didn't leave any prints on his point of entry. If he has gloves, why does he need a sock?

18 Q. Was she holding anything over either
19 of the two wounds when you saw her?
20 A. She was holding a rag to her neck.
21 Q. How about as far as her demeanor?
22 What was she doing? What was she saying? How did she
23 appear to be doing at that point?
24 A. She was -- she asked who could have
25 done this to her babies. She wasn't -- she was upset.

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1 She was upset.
2 Q. Okay. Crying? Screaming?
3 A. No.
4 Q. Now, did you stay inside the residence
5 with her or did you take her somewhere to treat her?
6 A. I asked her to come with me to the
7 front porch. I wanted to get out of the house and deemed
8 it being necessary for both of us -- be a good thing to
9 get out of the house....

10 Q. Were you seeing any of those items in
11 Mrs. Routier while you were out on the front porch with
12 her?
13 A. No, sir.
14 Q. Are you beginning to give her
15 treatment for her injuries at that time?
16 A. Yes, sir.
17 Q. Okay. What are you doing for her?
18 A. Begin bandaging up her neck and her
19 arm....

2 Q. You then said that Mrs. Routier was
3 crouched or kneeling over in the corner; is that right?
4 A. Yes, sir.
5 Q. And you took her out of there and took
6 her to the front porch?
7 A. Yes, sir.
8 Q. All right. And it was there that you
9 examined this, I believe you said a large gash to her
10 neck?
11 A. Laceration, yes, sir....

21 Q. Okay. You take my word that you say
22 four to five inches in your report?
23 A. It was around four inches, yes, sir.
24 Q. It was a substantial laceration, was
25 it not?

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1 A. In length, yes, sir.
2 Q. Okay. And don't you say that it was
3 right over the jugular vein?
4 A. In that area, yes, sir.
5 Q. Okay. Now, you bandaged her neck; is
6 that correct?
7 A. That's correct.
8 Q. And you did that there in the -- on
9 the porch?
10 A. That's correct....

15 Q. Okay. When you assisted Mrs. Routier
16 to the front porch, was the towel still on her neck?
17 A. Yes, sir.
18 Q. You are sure about that?
19 A. Yes, sir. I removed it on the front
20 porch.
21 Q. What did you do with it?
22 A. I believe I laid it on the front
23 porch.
24 Q. Just left it there on the front porch?
25 A. Yes, sir.

Sandra M. Halsey, CSR, Official Court Reporter
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19 Q. I take it it was bloody?
20 A. I would assume. I don't recall.
21 Q. You don't remember whether it was
22 white or whether it was a color?
23 A. No.
24 Q. Nothing at all?
25 A. No.

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1 Q. You would not have tossed it back into
2 the residence, would you?
3 A. No, sir.
4 Q. And you wouldn't have sent it with
5 her?
6 A. No, sir.
7 Q. Okay. So your best recollection, the
8 towel that she had on her neck was left there on the
9 front porch?
10 A. Yes, sir...

9 A. At that time.
10 Q. This cloth or towel that was around
11 her neck, can you describe that for us?
12 A. I don't recall.
13 Q. Okay.
14 A. I know it was a rag of some sort. I
15 really don't recall.
16 Q. Do you have any idea what color it

First, Koschak testified he had no idea what color the rag was she was holding on her neck. Why the cited website is claiming that as factual information is beyond me. As for the rest...

Unless someone else showed up, picked up the towel she had on her neck, carried it back into the house and placed it on the floor by where Damon was laying, the towel where he was laying is not the towel Darlie was using to cover up her own wound. Per Koschak's testimony, the towel she was using was removed and left on the front porch.

By any account, the towel she used was left on the front porch. I don't think anyone can claim that she snuck out of the ambulance, placed another towel on the porch she had hidden on her then naked body, picked up the towel on the porch and put it back by where Damon was laying.

"Quite a distance" is a mere few feet. The towels were found in the hallway leading to the entry of the living room where Damon was laying. The location of Damon and the towels was not "quite a distance." It could be measured in inches. Photos to prove...

To the right is where Damon lay as is abundantly clear by all the blood. To the upper left of the photo includes the two towels that were "quite a distance away"... My goodness, those are so far away... It's like a whole body length. That's practically like being found on the other side of the Routier estate.

Then you factor in that the hallway was used by no less than six people (possibly more), who weren't paying attention to what they were stepping on or inadvertently moving around. Rightfully so, saving lives took a back seat to preserving the scene... But in the end, you end up with evidence that was trampled over or moved around.

As stated above when I refuted State's exhibit 63...

Koschak stated... He never removed nor deposited any rag from her neck in the house. What he did remove and deposit occurred outside the house on the front porch and he never put said rag back inside the house, per his own testimony.

As stated above but for the sake of continuity.....

If you read Koschak's testimony you will find that the above conclusion is false.

13 Q. How long did it take you to go back
14 inside the house and assess Devon, Devon's condition, as
15 the captain had instructed you?
16 A. How long had it been?
17 Q. No, sir. How long did it take you
18 once you went back in there after attending to the
19 infant, how long did it take you to go back in there to
20 assess Devon?
21 A. Seconds.

1 there wasn't a washcloth on the youngster that you
2 attended to; is that right?
3 A. I didn't say one way or the other.
4 Q. You didn't say one way or the other?
5 A. No, sir.
6 Q. And you're still not saying one way or
7 the other?
8 A. No, sir. I don't believe there was
9 anything on there. I don't recall that.
10 Q. Do you recall if there was one to the
11 side, on either side of him?
12 A. I don't recall.

Had that been his towel that he left behind he would have said "that was my towel that I brought in with me and I left it laying there." I'm not going to use a website to cite as a source when the testimony actually contradicts the conclusions the person came up with.

As I stated before.... I'm all for debate. But please, double check your source for the cited information and conclusions if you intend to use it as cite material. Darliefictionandfiction.com... Oh, sorry, darliefactandfiction.com is far too easy to easy to refute. If anything it's an "opinion" website that carries about much factual weight as my neighbor's opinion does.

I could refute every "conclusion" on that site with factual testimony... transcripts alone... And not with just the snips he/she chose to use on the website... The entire ones. Not just the ones I chose to snip and paste to support my position.

Prime example of complete misinformation for the purpose of misleading the reader...

The very first thing brought up in this post (and I want to make clear... I have absolutely no disrespect for the poster... Only disgust for the person who created the cited website and then passed of the conclusions as factually based when that couldn't be further from the truth).

If Marywhatevernumbershechose wanted to create a site that pointed to Darlie as the killer, that's up to her. When he or she completely misinforms the reader, or cherry picks the testimony to suit her conclusions without giving all the information?

Well, I have a problem with that. It's a bit disingenuous to say the least.

First, Koschak testified he had no idea what color the rag was she was holding on her neck. Why the cited website is claiming that as factual information is beyond me. As for the rest...

16 A. Yes, sir.
17 Q. Would this have been in the area where
18 you're treating Mrs. Routier?
19 A. That's correct. 20 Q. Do we see another item out here on the
21 front porch, Mr. Koschak?
22 A. Yes, sir.
23 Q. A white object?
24 A. Yes, sir.
25 Q. Covered in blood?
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1 A. Yes, sir.
2 Q. Is that something that you were using
3 to treat her with?
4 A. Yes, sir. That was around her neck.
5 That's what I removed.
6 Q. Okay. That's the towel or the rag
7 that you have been testifying about?
8 A. Yes, sir.
9 Q. Okay. I am now holding my finger on
10 that one. Correct?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Again, is that an area where you were

16 A. Yes, sir.
17 Q. Would this have been in the area where
18 you're treating Mrs. Routier?
19 A. That's correct. 20 Q. Do we see another item out here on the
21 front porch, Mr. Koschak?
22 A. Yes, sir.
23 Q. A white object?
24 A. Yes, sir.
25 Q. Covered in blood?
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1 A. Yes, sir.
2 Q. Is that something that you were using
3 to treat her with?
4 A. Yes, sir. That was around her neck.
5 That's what I removed.
6 Q. Okay. That's the towel or the rag
7 that you have been testifying about?
8 A. Yes, sir.
9 Q. Okay. I am now holding my finger on
10 that one. Correct?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Again, is that an area where you were

Testimony of Larry Byford...

13 Q. All right. When you came back out,
14 was the defendant and Brian Koschak still out there on
15 the porch or had they left?
16 A. No, they were still on the front
17 porch.
18 Q. Did you start to do anything at that
19 time then?
20 A. Yes, I assisted Brian with care.
21 Q. Was it apparent that the defendant had
22 some injuries to her?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Okay. Did she have any injuries to
25 her neck area?

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1 A. Yes.
2 Q. And what, if anything, did you start
3 to do with regard to the neck injury?
4 A. I believe we first bandaged the arm.
5 Q. All right.
6 A. The right arm here. And then she had
7 a rag. Either she was holding a rag or he was holding
8 it. It looked like a -- a cup towel comes to mind. And
9 I opened up some sterile four-by-fours and I got those
10 ready and put them in place, and then we taped them.
11 Taped the four-by-fours in place...
12 Q. Okay. So you actually then took a
13 four inch by four inch sterile gauze pad; is that right?
14 A. That's correct.
15 Q. Put it over the wound on the neck?
16 A. Yes.

Nor was his "oh, I told her to help the boys but she just stood there..." story either. The only thing we know, based on actual evidence, is that he told her to sit down.

She stayed on the phone setting up her "my fingerprints on the knife" story. She didn't try to help them. She spent more time on the phone (not a mobile) instead of trying to save her kids. No evidence of an intruder. She's guilty as sin.

I watched it too which was some time ago but I remember that her injuries were not presented in court. Her injuries were severe bruising on her arms as if she fought for her life. I'm going to find that documentary and watch it again to refresh my memory.

Canard

Originally Posted by Mary Duncan

I watched it too which was some time ago but I remember that her injuries were not presented in court. Her injuries were severe bruising on her arms as if she fought for her life. I'm going to find that documentary and watch it again to refresh my memory.

. This is an oft repeated myth. Her bruising was shown in court, her attorney has repeatedly confirmed this. Only one juror claims otherwise.