Nunpoo:I have also driven in Philly and Seattle. Seattle is nothing compared to these others. Now Philly doesn't so much have terrible drivers as it does terrible roads. Roads that are two way streets despite being about eight feet wide.

Seattle drivers suck because they drive slowly regardless of the weather. The roads are farked up because WA doesn't have a state income tax and the city planners were too corrupt and/or stupid to plan properly. Parts of the city have their roads turned 45 degrees, because fark the guy planning the neighborhood next door. No, really, that's why that happened a lot in Seattle. The guys planning different neighborhoods didn't get along, so they'd plan their neighborhoods to intentionally fark with the guy planning the next neighborhood over. I highly recommend Sons of the Profits if you want to know more about Seattle's corrupt past.

You've got idiots in SUVs drifting into all lanes going 10 miles under the speed limit.You've got people on cell phones accidentally driving into things.You've got old guys in sports cars that are much too high spec for them being unable to control themselves and spinning their cars into freeway walls and onto sidewalks.You've got stupid middle-aged women in minivans and Escalades who have no business driving a golf cart, let alone a vehicle weighing several thousand pounds.You've got motorcyclists with no protective gear weaving in and out of lanes and traffic like farking idiots.

NONE of these groups give a single goddamn about pedestrians. Crosswalk lights? Fark that, just gun it, the poors can hop onto the median if they don't want to get hit. Somebody in the crosswalk? Honk at them. Bicycles? Terrorize them onto the sidewalk or clip them with your fender.

Time to get on the freeway? Better slow down and swerve onto the shoulder rather than speed up to match the pace of traffic! Turn signal? Completely optional. In Florida it is totally normal to cross three lanes of traffic from right lane to left lane with nary a turn signal given, then park yourself in the fast lane at precisely the speed limit and refuse to move. Also fark emergency vehicles in Florida. If an ambulance pulls up behind you, just change lanes and keep driving. And god help you if you see a pro-life license plate in the state of Florida, because it's nature's warning sign that you're about to enter the proximity of a person who is totally and completely incapable of driving and WILL, if you take your eyes off them for a SECOND, do something absolutely stupid that will probably get you/your car seriously damaged. Avoid these people like the plague.

When I'm driving in Tampa I literally cannot remove my attention from the road for more than five seconds or something will happen. Doesn't matter if I'm at a light, at a four-way stop, ...

Only time I've ever been in serious danger in a car was in Florida, stuck with an elderly person driving, who decided to stop in the middle of a turn in a T intersection. And just... wait there. While a truck barreled straight toward me. By the time it was less than half a block away, he decided to resume turning and the other driver (thank you so much, random, competent driver) managed to dodge and pass around us. My driver did not notice any of this.

/saw the truck coming and realized I had to put my life in the other driver's hands//even if I'd yelled "MOVE! There's a truck coming RIGHT AT ME" I'm not sure I would have been heard, definitely wouldn't have been a timely response

Los Angeles is nice because people actually drive fast and don't behave like they want to be in traffic (unlike old people/shiatty drivers.) I guess they are better drivers because they have no choice. It takes skill to move that many cars during rush hour. I have to deal with drivers from NOLA, number sixteen on the list. The city of hit and runs!

You should see the tourons in Pigeon Forge. Hogging the middle and left lanes on the Parkway, slow to get moving when the light goes green, blowing multiple chances to turn right onto the Parkway from a traffic light/sign, etc.

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.///There is no third slashie.

It's not actually difficult to drive in Seattle, at least not in an automatic. Drivers who are from Seattle are retarded, however. OMG SUN! OMG RAIN! OMG CLOUDS WITH NO RAIN OR SUN! I better drive 50 on the highway!!!!

Actually, last week I got stuck two cars behind some dumb biatch who drove 35 on the on ramp to Interstate 5, and then braked to 10 mph when she was actually merging for no reason. She nearly caused a four-car pile up as folks slammed on their brakes because she was gong 10 mph on the freeway. And then she proceeded to tailgate the dude in front of her.

Seattle's biggest issue is congestion. It is a beautiful city - can't even see the buildings for all the trees and greenspace. It has simply outgrown it's roadways. Some people panic in heavy traffic. I've seen what you described in every major city in the US.

Seattle has always had farked up traffic. Part of that is the terrain: big hills and lots of water everywhere. But a huge part of it is because the city planners were corrupt and/or incompetent. One of my Seattle friends once said that Seattle gets a bit of a pass from him regarding its traffic/public transit stupidity because it has to get Tacoma, Bellevue, and Redmond to agree with any changes. I laughed in his face and pointed out that DC has to get DC, VA, MD, and motherfarking Congress to agree to do anything, and yet they still manage to have one of the best public transit systems in our country. Meanwhile, Seattle's light rail goes a whopping 14 miles, and only runs between Downtown and the airport. Even San Diego's public transit goes from Mexico to Camp Pendleton, and then from Old Town to past Qualcomm, and then from Solana Beach to CSU San Marcos.

You've never ridden Metro, friend... and buses aren't any better because they have to use the farkawful HOV system on 66/270/495... so... what system were you referring to?

Hate to say it but the factors used are entirely too objective. TFA bases its criteria upon the following metrics:- No. 1, years between traffic accidents;- No. 2, automotive fatalities;- No. 3, alcohol-related driving deaths; and- No. 4, pedestrian strikes

Well, here's my attempt at a list of what makes driving a bad experience / the worst drivers:- No. 1, quantity and degree of aggressive driving- No. 2, volume of traffic compared to capacity of the roads- No. 3, people who don't now how to drive in bad weather- No. 4, whether or not I have to drive in it, particularly rush hour

Multiplying factor for #3: % of who think they do know how to drive in bad weather, or think their SUV or truck magically allows them to corner or brake faster/better.

On #4, for years I lived and worked in DC and I think the traffic and drivers are just fine. But of the 2 jobs I had, one was off the Metro and the other was literally 2 blocks from where I lived.

Wodan11:Hate to say it but the factors used are entirely too objective. TFA bases its criteria upon the following metrics:- No. 1, years between traffic accidents;- No. 2, automotive fatalities;- No. 3, alcohol-related driving deaths; and- No. 4, pedestrian strikes

Well, here's my attempt at a list of what makes driving a bad experience / the worst drivers:- No. 1, quantity and degree of aggressive driving- No. 2, volume of traffic compared to capacity of the roads- No. 3, people who don't now how to drive in bad weather- No. 4, whether or not I have to drive in it, particularly rush hour

Multiplying factor for #3: % of who think they do know how to drive in bad weather, or think their SUV or truck magically allows them to corner or brake faster/better.

On #4, for years I lived and worked in DC and I think the traffic and drivers are just fine. But of the 2 jobs I had, one was off the Metro and the other was literally 2 blocks from where I lived.

I drive 40,000 miles a year in the DC area, and I can say with complete confidence... that it farking sucks.

Surprised they treated Hialeah as a separate entity from Miami, but does have it's own quirks. Jaywalking is an art in South Florida. Combined with the general Latin style of driving, it is like Death Race 2000.

If you look at a map, and draw a line south from the Dakotas to central Texas....I've driven through most every place east of that line.

Bar none, without even a bit of hesitation, the worst drivers are in Florida. Only Hotlanta has worse traffic, and that's by time, not retard drivers.

The worst part is these farkers from new england, that got a DL when Nixon was a cub, lived in the city for 45 years, move down here in retirement and buy a shiny new SUV Land-Yacht complete with it own roof-mounted helicopter landing pad.

Add in the overmedicated bluehairs, the tourists, and the illegals that refuse to read signs in english, and you have...well....Miami traffic.

First, a caveat. There hasn't yet been a convincing ranking of cities with the worst drivers, because reliable data is hard to come by. There's no clearinghouse for statistics on bad driving based on uniform methodology for every city. This effort will involve compromises and educated guesses, along with a healthy dose of personal opinion.

The biggest issue was the lack of planning before building roadways. There are now several huge cities that only have a few tiny one or two lane roads that connect them to the highway. There are also roads wide enough for two lanes but are designated for one (I feel bad for non locals who are caught up in that). Or you do have two lanes but without warning one lane becomes a mandatory turn lane or merges.

It's a farking free for all. My commute to work is 18 miles. It takes 45 minutes minimum because of the crazy city traffic. A third of that time is spent on a two mile stretch in the city. Once I'm out two miles, I'm on backroads the rest of the way (because f u 495)

As a Tampon, I agree with others here that Orlando is far worse, but the issue with the #10 in pedestrian accidents lies 99% with the pedestrians in this city. No one here has any idea what a farking cross walk is. Panhandlers are also given free rein to walk out in traffic at lights as long as they are wearing a vest and pimping their homeless new rag. Not a day goes by when I am driving where I won't see someone crossing the street against the light, or outside a crosswalk or just standing in the middle of the farking road for no damn reason.

I've driven in all these places. I think it goes Philly, Boston, Miami, Baltimore, Tampa. I refuse to drive in the top three on that list if I can avoid it. While the Bostonians may get into fewer accidents, which is what dropped them on the official survey, that's just because they've all learned how to cope with the chronic farktardery of their neighbors.

With all the drivers I see that do some weird stuff like appear to being stoned out of their minds while they drive and a red light runner that gave me the closest call I ever had without an accident just two days ago, I am surprised not to be on the list. However I will take it because I can't afford the insurance hike like a coworker recently got dealt. He moved a few miles crossing town lines and raised his rates nearly doubled. The town he moved into has a chronic problem of folks who can't figure out a four way stop and drive 55 mph regardless what road they are on (including a 35 road with a school). His commute is shorter but it drives him just bonkers lately.

Wall_of_Doodoo:ecmoRandomNumbers: Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?

Also, I've lived in Baltimore right off of North Avenue and some of the driving I've seen is truely mind boggling. I also work in a clinic that does a lot of PI work and some of the stories I've heard, also mind boggling.

Baltimore is truely a special, special place.

If you're going to correct somebody's cpitalization, you should learn how to spell "truly."

Truly.

Hey dude, that's what it autocorrected to. I'm a science guy, I gotta remember how to spell 'levator scapulae', 'Gluteus medius', 'splanchnic ganglion', etc, etc. I leave the plebe words you people use to my phone and libtards like you cause it never comes up in the real world. 'Truely' vs 'truly'? Lionel Ritchie gets it, I don't really care. Figure it out, there Dostevski, a letter added or taken away, you've already taken down Dan Quayle for adding an 'e' to a word, your schtick is old.

vbob:Wall_of_Doodoo: ecmoRandomNumbers: Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?

Also, I've lived in Baltimore right off of North Avenue and some of the driving I've seen is truely mind boggling. I also work in a clinic that does a lot of PI work and some of the stories I've heard, also mind boggling.

Baltimore is truely a special, special place.

If you're going to correct somebody's cpitalization, you should learn how to spell "truly."

Truly.

Hey dude, that's what it autocorrected to. I'm a science guy, I gotta remember how to spell 'levator scapulae', 'Gluteus medius', 'splanchnic ganglion', etc, etc. I leave the plebe words you people use to my phone and libtards like you cause it never comes up in the real world. 'Truely' vs 'truly'? Lionel Ritchie gets it, I don't really care. Figure it out, there Dostevski, a letter added or taken away, you've already taken down Dan Quayle for adding an 'e' to a word, your schtick is old.

vbob:Wall_of_Doodoo: ecmoRandomNumbers: Wall_of_Doodoo: Cewley: yep. you got your retirees driving 45 in the left lane of I-95 with their right blinkers on, your haitians driving all the cabs without ever learning any driving skills, and your hothead cubans who all think they drive like ayrton senna. add alcohol.

You've heard about this new thing we have called 'capitalization' right?

Also, I've lived in Baltimore right off of North Avenue and some of the driving I've seen is truely mind boggling. I also work in a clinic that does a lot of PI work and some of the stories I've heard, also mind boggling.

Baltimore is truely a special, special place.

If you're going to correct somebody's cpitalization, you should learn how to spell "truly."

Truly.

Hey dude, that's what it autocorrected to. I'm a science guy, I gotta remember how to spell 'levator scapulae', 'Gluteus medius', 'splanchnic ganglion', etc, etc. I leave the plebe words you people use to my phone and libtards like you cause it never comes up in the real world. 'Truely' vs 'truly'? Lionel Ritchie gets it, I don't really care. Figure it out, there Dostevski, a letter added or taken away, you've already taken down Dan Quayle for adding an 'e' to a word, your schtick is old.

Dear Science Guy,

Can you spell doosh?

I have an old t-shirt that reads " I are a scientist, not an english major", does Wall_of_Doodoo want it? It does have the word 'mad' added in because I like catching things on fire and scaring the neighbors.

I once heard (unconfirmed) that the Florida Highway Patrol posts rookies in the Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area for experience, before they are reassigned elsewhere. Made sense, based on my personal experiences driving down there. Not much worse than the Atlanta freeways, though.

List fails without St. Louis. They have the most 4 way stops in the world and the way they are navigated is you come up to one and you slow down. If there are people who beat you to the intersection then they go first then you go once you've slowed down to maybe 5 mph. But you better go quickly or the people coming the other direction will hit you at 5 mph.

But yeah, Miami and Fort Lauderdale are both interesting places to drive. I went down there with a co-worker and he was cowering in the front seat and I was driving with one hand on the horn. Need to make a right turn but you are in the left turn lane? Not a problem, just do it.

The worst pedestrian prize goes to Montreal though. I had a green light and was about 2 mm behind the car in front of me and they were still trying to squeeze through.

Try riding a motorcycle in New Orleans. The drivers aren't malicious like those in Miami and other cities; they're farking drunk. You have to remember that unabashed drinking is part of the culture here. You can order a vodka tonic with your breakfast and no one judges you. Drinking on the street is legal and even convenience stores and delis sell hard liquor, 24/7.

Armed with this knowledge, you become something of a Road Jedi. Even if the driver you're next to hasn't done anything wrong, yet, something sets your Spidey sense off and you hang back. Sure enough, 12 seconds later the asshole veers into your lane because he's trying to pick up the beer he spilled on the floorboard.

On the plus side, New Orleans isn't a particularly angry town unless you're a drug dealer. I'd rather deal with drunks I can identify than people who just flat-out lose their sh*t for no reason.

Confabulat:AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.

Hialeah has 231,941 residents according to Wiki, which puts it ahead of Baton Rouge, Boise, Birmingham, Richmond, Salt Lake City, Fort Lauderdale, Tempe, Chattanooga, Tallahassee, and a ton of other medium-sized cities. Just cause you've never heard of it...

So it looks like it's part of Miami to me. That's crap that it is on the list twice.

TheGreatGazoo:List fails without St. Louis. They have the most 4 way stops in the world and the way they are navigated is you come up to one and you slow down. If there are people who beat you to the intersection then they go first then you go once you've slowed down to maybe 5 mph. But you better go quickly or the people coming the other direction will hit you at 5 mph.

But yeah, Miami and Fort Lauderdale are both interesting places to drive. I went down there with a co-worker and he was cowering in the front seat and I was driving with one hand on the horn. Need to make a right turn but you are in the left turn lane? Not a problem, just do it.

The worst pedestrian prize goes to Montreal though. I had a green light and was about 2 mm behind the car in front of me and they were still trying to squeeze through.

I'll third this, since St Louis was mentioned upthread too. I used to live there, and it's a farking nonsensical madhouse. I thought Chicago was bad, then moved to St Louis, I was blessed in Chicago. But, I thought St Louis was bad, then I drove in Atlanta. OMG.

I'm not arguing the Miami/Boston/Philly route, as I've never driven there. I've only driven to the airport in Pittsburgh, and that's pretty easy.

Miami doesn't have as much traffic from all over, going in all directions. Saw two wrecks trying to get through there this summer. One had traffic on 85 stopped completely for about 14 miles. Thank goodness I was going the other way.

/Love the combined freeway entrance and exit kamikaze lanes they have there, too

Hey, cut the Miami drivers some slack on the pedestrian strikes. I've driven in Miami before and I didn't see people using crosswalks once. If pedestrians are going to walk into oncoming traffic then they have it coming.

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.///There is no third slashie.

Seattle isn't really a place for "bad" drivers. Just ridiculously incompetent drivers.

You may ask, what the hell is the difference? Let me tell you.

An incompetent driver knows she is incompetent. She will take steps to compensate for her incompetence by driving slowly, stopping at every signal (even green ones), riding her brakes, and using the left-hand passing lane to avoid getting hit by cars entering the highway on the right. She will also take steps to drive in a courteous way by allowing cars stopped at stop signs to proceed through before her, even if she was there first.

This is not to say that she's completely focused on her incompetent driving at every moment in the car. On clear days, she'll hit the 520 from Seattle and slow down to 30mph to take in the beauty of Mt. Rainier and Lake Washington.

Seattle has a lot of incompetent drivers. If you understand this and take advantage of their incompetence, you'll find that driving in the Pacific Northwest a very pleasant experience.

"She"?

Misogynistic much, you douchetastic jackwagon? Not *ALL* of us female drivers in Seattle are "incompetent". I was raised in the South - if you can drive in Atl. or Memphis you can certainly drive in Seattle. People here actually let you into traffic! I find driving here to be much better than driving in Memphis, where they take trying to merge as a challenge & will speed up & not let you in or try to shoot you.

The rain thing *is* a mystery though....it rains like 290 days out of the year here. *WHY* aren't people used to it by now?

/So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber.//The locals used to say, if you can drive in Seattle you can drive anywhere.///There is no third slashie.

It's not actually difficult to drive in Seattle, at least not in an automatic. Drivers who are from Seattle are retarded, however. OMG SUN! OMG RAIN! OMG CLOUDS WITH NO RAIN OR SUN! I better drive 50 on the highway!!!!

Actually, last week I got stuck two cars behind some dumb biatch who drove 35 on the on ramp to Interstate 5, and then braked to 10 mph when she was actually merging for no reason. She nearly caused a four-car pile up as folks slammed on their brakes because she was gong 10 mph on the freeway. And then she proceeded to tailgate the dude in front of her.

Seattle's biggest issue is congestion. It is a beautiful city - can't even see the buildings for all the trees and greenspace. It has simply outgrown it's roadways. Some people panic in heavy traffic. I've seen what you described in every major city in the US.

Seattle has always had farked up traffic. Part of that is the terrain: big hills and lots of water everywhere. But a huge part of it is because the city planners were corrupt and/or incompetent. One of my Seattle friends once said that Seattle gets a bit of a pass from him regarding its traffic/public transit stupidity because it has to get Tacoma, Bellevue, and Redmond to agree with any changes. I laughed in his face and pointed out that DC has to get DC, VA, MD, and motherfarking Congress to agree to do anything, and yet they still manage to have one of the best public transit systems in our country. Meanwhile, Seattle's light rail goes a whopping 14 miles, and only runs between Downtown and the airport. Even San Diego's public transit goes from Mexico to Camp Pendleton, and then from Old Town to past Qualcomm, and then from Solana Beach to CSU San Marcos.

Confabulat:AverageAmericanGuy: I have never even heard of the city 'Hialeah'. I thought this was a survey of major cities.

Hialeah has 231,941 residents according to Wiki, which puts it ahead of Baton Rouge, Boise, Birmingham, Richmond, Salt Lake City, Fort Lauderdale, Tempe, Chattanooga, Tallahassee, and a ton of other medium-sized cities. Just cause you've never heard of it...

I had never heard of it either. I thought it funny TFA singled out Tampa for a state label, but made no mention of where the other cities were.

I go to Florida on vacation yearly. The little town we stay in is has everything within one square mile (LBTS), so we walk everywhere for those 10 days for the most part. BUT, my Grandmother is in a nursing home about 20 miles away and I have to drive there and it is unnerving. Driving in Florida is truly scary.