Sunday, December 09, 2012

Wherefore art thou, Romeoette?

Phyllida Lloyd

Phyllida Lloyd is an English film director. You might know her from movies such as Mamma Mia! and The Iron Lady.

She's hit the news after complaining that there are more roles for men than women in Shakespeare's plays. Her solution is to have the European Union pass laws requiring that theatre companies employ exactly equal numbers of men and women, which would then require "gender blind" casting for roles (i.e. gender wouldn't be taken into account when casting for plays, so that you might end up with a male Juliet and a female Romeo):

Probably the European Union will legislate soon and ... I would imagine, somebody’s going to be shaming the theatre.

They should be just told that they have to have a 50/50 employment spread, then work out how to do the plays.

If that means some gender-blind casting, some all-female, some all-male, it’s not rocket science, and I think they could have some fun

Phyllida is herself a lesbian, which goes part of the way in explaining her enthusiasm for gender bending in the theatre. But her demands do fit in with the liberal idea that our sex, as a predetermined quality, should be made not to matter.

﻿﻿﻿﻿﻿﻿﻿﻿Which brings me to Virginia Valian, an American academic. She believes that women are held back in life by feminine qualities (particularly by nurturing tendencies), but she accepts that such qualities do have at least some basis in biology. So what then is the solution? She believes that despite being grounded in biology our sex can still be made not to matter. We just have to fight biological sex the same way we fight biological disease:

﻿﻿We don’t accept biol­ogy as destiny…. We vaccinate, we inoculate, we medicate.... I propose we adopt the same attitude toward biological sex differences.

﻿﻿She doesn't celebrate biological sex differences, she wants to eradicate them as if they were a disease. Note too that familiar complaint about womanhood being a "biological destiny" (rather than a self-created one).

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Virginia Valian

Finally, the Valian quote comes from an article by Christina Hoff Sommers that is worth reading. It discusses the efforts being made in Sweden to dissolve sex distinctions, including the revised reading list at one Stockholm preschool:

Classic fairy tales like Cinderella and Snow White have been replaced by tales of two male giraffes who parent abandoned crocodile eggs.

We've gone over this before. Let me offer you some more data from dating sites.

A survey was done of 30,000 people on a dating site. The researchers asked the 30,000 if race mattered to them when dating. Of the white men 80% declared that race didn't matter and of the white women 50% said so. But when it actually came to contacting people on the site 90% of the white men contacted white women and 97% of the white women contacted white men.

In other words, many people follow the liberal *idea* they've been brought up with that race shouldn't matter but when it comes to something as personal as finding someone to love romantically then nature is more likely to win out.

And notice that 97% of the white women contacted white men. The white women are more loyal to their own kind than the white men.

Now that doesn't guarantee you interest from white women - you still have to cultivate qualities that are likely to appeal to these women.

But your idea that white women are not attracted to white men is wrong. It's something you've got inside your head, maybe from some sort of media images, but it's wrong in the real world.

Roughly half of the white women on the site and 80 percent of the white men declared that race didn’t matter to them. But the response data tell a different story. The white men who said that race didn’t matter sent 90 percent of their e-mail queries to white women. The white women who said race didn’t matter sent about 97 percent of their e-mail queries to white men.

I'm not saying white women are not attracted to white men at all. But I was reading a post written by someone on a forum today and he said he was at a hospital, in a large city in the west of England, and he said he saw something like "dozens and dozens of white mothers pushing prams and buggies, and out of those only about two of them actually had white children, the rest had obviously been fathered by black men". That is not a joke, that's what he actually said, or something very similar.

Earlier on today, I was in the city centre where I live. I saw one black male with a white female, one south Asian male with a white female, and one east Asian male with a white female. I didn't see any white males with non-white females.

I am a white male, I go on dating sites myself, and I do get responses from white females. Plenty, in fact. I've had dates from them and I've had several of them say that I am nice looking. That isn't the issue.

It seems really strange to think that white women are more loyal to their own kind than white men because what I see in real life and what I hear tells me the exact opposite.

Whilst on the surface in real life I exude an aura of confidence, inside I don't feel confident at all about being a white male. Now whilst your average 'bloke' probably doesn't devote a lot of time towards thinking about this sort of thing, strangely for me being a white male has shattered my self-esteem. Ripped it to pieces, sent it to hell a thousand times and back, maybe more, and dragged it kicking and screaming through the gates of hell every time.

Pairings between black men and white women, in every Western society, are a lot more common than pairings between white men and black women, right? Can't we even just accept this as a fact?

Well if that is true, then the white man does not sit at the top of the "food chain" of socio-sexual 'dominance'; the black man does instead. Thus to be a white male is to be inferior.

So great, I can go on some dating websites and even get some women who might be interested in me. That's just wonderful that is, I might even end up with half-black grandchildren one day! Or maybe great-grandchildren, or maybe I might have descendents that engage in race-mixing after I'm long dead! You just can't control it!

So if you can't control it, there's not much point in doing it in the first place, is there?

You are a thrown into this world as a white heterosexual male, and there are three inevitable facts...

* you have no right to get sex* you are going to die, and* your race will ultimately become extinct

Taking these factors into account, why do white heterosexual males even bother in life generally? Wouldn't it be simpler if they all just loaded a gun and shot themselves in the head, or jumped off a bridge onto some railway tracks? After all, it won't make any difference what they do in this world.

Now I'm not actually going to do those things, because there is more to life than just racial reproduction, but I do feel like a "sexless being".

If I'm not making sense, I apologise. I'll tell you something else, too: I'm not a troll. I genuinely feel the way that I do, and I wish I could talk to someone about it in real life who would understand, because it's disturbing me.

You are a thrown into this world as a white heterosexual male, and there are three inevitable facts...

* you have no right to get sex* you are going to die, and* your race will ultimately become extinct<<

1. Well, you could try being a white *man* rather than a white _male_!2. No one has a right to get sex. Even black men have to work for it!3. A black man has potential access to nearly all black women, plus a minority* of white women. A white man has potential access to most white women, and a (smaller) minority of black women. Don't you think the white man gets the better deal? >:)4. Everyone is going to die. Having children gives a form of immortality, though.5. The white race is unlikely to become extinct in the foreseeable future. Furthermore, 'one drop' is a myth - say some of your grandchildren are mixed race, that does not mean their descendants can't be white.

*Leaving aside certain English underclass estates, where it may be a majority. If you are an unemployed white man living on one of those estates, yes you are probably going to have a hard time of it.

Speaking of sex differences I heard on the radio that Australian Government schools, I'm not sure which State, were moving to gender neutral uniforms. I haven't been able to find anything about this on Google.

There is more to race than just black and white, as well! Asia contains over half the world's human population at the present time, and the various peoples of Asia are mostly not really either black or white.

Why do I not use the word 'man'? Because I don't feel like a 'man' compared to black men - at best, I feel like a boy in comparison.

On point #2, I would say that for women it is very, very easy to get sex, indeed they spend a lot of time avoiding it!

What do you mean by "potential access"? And how big is the 'minority' of white women that black men have potential access to? Are there even any answers? What frustrates me is the lack of any epistemological certainty about anything.

English underclass estates? If I actually lived on one, it's unlikely that I would be accessing this website. Girls and women are often telling me that I "sound really intelligent" and things like that. It is true that I live in the UK, but I haven't spent much time on English underclass estates.

I actually disagree with point #5, but I don't want to talk about that particular issue right now. Well, actually, to be honest I agree that white people are not likely to become extinct within the lifetime of anyone who is alive today, but it awaits as a virtual certainty in the long-term future. What I don't agree with at all is that 'one drop' is a myth. But this is not the main issue that I want to discuss.

Which leads me to the final point...

"Don't you think the white man gets the better deal?"

Well let's see... (and this analysis excludes Asians and other peoples neither black nor white, and these are my own personal guesstimates, and please correct the percentages because I know my numbers are totally wrong)

Your points are understandable to a lot of people however you have taken them to an extreme. Your confidence will grow when you have more success with women and in life in general. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what black men do when it comes to dating, its what you do. Women will be attracted to confident men and that is a universal.

There are many ways to build your confidence and also your sense of physicality. Exercise, hanging out with similar men who are engaged in productive activity, sharpening your mind certainly, however you still have to be positive. For me personally going to Church is a great way to build confidence.

I can assure you that black men will have their own chips on their shoulder too and I wouldn't want to trade.

You think I'm "some sort of Asian"? What like an angry Korean or something like that? I'm flattered.

Women will be attracted to confident men? Yes, I know that. As I said, I exude confidence in real life but it is nothing more than a facade that I put on.

I don't care what anyone says: I would rather be say, an African immigrant male to the UK such as a Nigerian or something, than being what I am. I just look at my skin and it depresses me because it is white; I don't know if this is a variant of body dysmorphic disorder?

Is it normal to have this level of self-hate regarding race, or is it really something quite unusual?

I don't do God. However much of the rest of what you have said is worth taking note of.

Self-hatred is a real phenomenon. Note that I don't self-hate for the same reasons that leftists do (they perceive that WHMs are in a privileged position of 'power' who need to be given a 'handicap' so that 'women and minorities' can compete with them equally) - but simply out of feelings of totally worthlessness regarding being a WHM. I certainly don't feel that I am in a position of power!

"In recent years, interracial pornographic films, which most commonly refers to black male/white female films, have increased in popularity, becoming one of the fastest-growing and biggest-selling genres."

Think about that when you're trying to get to sleep at night, it'll leave you mad with frustration. I am hoping that the prediction that the world is going to end this month is true. That is the most comforting thought in the world.

I'd be surprised if anyone capable of defending these gender neutral societies will actually want to do it when the time comes. Risk life and limb to be further demeaned and persecuted - not even Don Draper could make that sale.

Unfortunately many of these men deliberately court an air of effeminacy, Johnny Depp, Robert Pattinson and David Beckham especially. I see this a lot where I am with white men spearheading the "hipster" look. Yes they succeed with women but they're not exactly promoting a masculine ideal.

Well it's not true I know you are from the army but many of these men are masculine. Just not what you think are.Granted Robert is a teen idol but so is David Beckham and Brad Pitts (grown men , teen idols I can never get my head around it)There is many other "white" men that are role models to all people of different colours and backgrounds.Like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

"Well if that is true, then the white man does not sit at the top of the "food chain" of socio-sexual 'dominance'; the black man does instead. Thus to be a white male is to be inferior."

Their sociosexual dominance is artificial. It is produced and maintained by political correctness/cultural marxism which mandates that White men aren’t to dominate men of other races, yet the reverse is not only ok, but celebrated.

If one side in a contest has their hands tied behind their back and the other side doesn't, if the other side wins you can't call them the 'true' winner. Their win is artificial.

Unshackle the bonds that bind white men (which Game/manosphere/hbdsphere will do, as these bonds are ideological and self-enforced), and White men would soon be classed as of the highest sociosexual rank in society again. Just remember, 60 years the very thought of miscegenation would have repulsed and disgusted any White woman. Thus any gain in sociosexual rank non-whites experience now is artificial and as long as political correctness/cultural marxism/liberalism is overcome, will be temporary.

(which Game/manosphere/hbdsphere will do, as these bonds are ideological and self-enforced and produced as a result of pitying other races, (and it is hard to keep pitying those who use your pity to improve their station above that of yours and at your expense))

Does the white 'man' get a better deal? Not really, especially considering that his race is ALSO on the path to long-term extinction.

What, are you trying to say that black women are not very attractive or something? Is that your point?<<

Personally I'd say that black British women were mostly decently attractive, and rarely show the racial animosity common in the US.In the UK there is around one white male/black female pairing per two black male/white female pairing, so your %s are off.

But the much more important point is that most white women go for white men, as Mark has pointed out. If you can't get a girl you are almost certainly failing to compete with other white men, not primarily with black men. Mark has previously posted a lot of good advice on rectifying that.

Christina Hoff Sommers writes on the problems of trying to enforce gender-neutral behavior among children. (Hat tip: hbd chick.) This part was great:Twenty years ago, Hasbro, a major American toy manufacturing company, tested a playhouse it hoped to market to both boys and girls. It soon emerged that girls and boys did not interact with the structure in the same way. The girls dressed the dolls, kissed them, and played house. The boys catapulted the toy baby carriage from the roof. A Hasbro manager came up with a novel explanation: "Boys and girls are different."Sommers details the dreary, totalitarian notions of Swedish feminists which, unfortunately, we've all heard before. But she ends on this note: (ect.)

Glaivester:>>Are there really large numbers of black women whom white men do not have potential access to, or is it more that white men are not interested in the majority of black women?<<

My impression of the US is that there's a lot of mutual racial hostility between black women and white men, and it's pretty much taboo to find each other attractive. Beyonce played with this in the video of "If I were a boy" - she a black female cop cheating on her black husband with a white male cop - but it turns out to be 'safely' just a dream sequence. 'Officially' black US women only want black men, never white men. White US men naturally pick up on the hostility.

I think in the UK and elsewhere racial animosity is much less of a factor and there are proportionally more white man/black woman pairings, though still less common than black man/white woman.

In part in the US it is due to the historical animosity towards white men from both black men and women -- a much greater hostility than there is generally towards white women, because of the idea that white men abused both non-whites and white women. However, black women do well and truly hate white women who date/marry/sleep with black men due to the general shortage of black men, in general, who are available/suitable for marriage to black women.

I think when it comes to the black women/white men thing, I do think in significant degree it has to do with lack of attraction on the part of the white guys. There are obviously some very attractive black women, but quite generally I think white guys at least in the US aren't that attracted to the "average" black woman as compared with the "average" white/latin/asian woman. This is validated, for example, by pornography, which is generally aimed at men (and most of the guys it is aimed at, numerically, are white) -- the number of black women appearing in porn is dwarfed by the number of white, latin and east asian women. I think that reflects who the viewers want to look at. As for the interracial porn referenced above, my guess is that the growth of this subgenre is a part of the larger trend within porn to feature increasingly "out there" subjects because a growing number of men who are either addicted to or otherwise watching a lot of porn have become numb to more mainstream subjects -- that is, porn is getting increasingly extreme as the tastes of the viewers skew over time towards more and more extreme subjects in order to generate the same "buzz" -- very much like any other kind of addiction, really -- and the interracial/cuckold/humiliation subgenre is one of these areas, among many others. It doesn't reflect what is actually happening in the general public, of course -- it's pornography which is being made for consumption by white guys mostly.

This is the liberal view of society that everyone secretly watches porn or now openly discusses it.I don't.

2) Porn is porn it is not real life.

Only someone with a severe social disorder/low IQ would think porn is real life.

3)Despite not liking porn I know a bit about the industry.

The filthy cuck/IR porn genre is not catering to whites its catering to blacks. (Occam's razor.)

Porn is not bought anymore by anyone with a brain that wants it. Its viewable on the net for free.So only dumb people purchase it. ie low income blacks. That is why it is written for race-centric low IQ blacks.increasingly do not like their own

Let's talk about the never mentioned opinions of white guys on the subject.

Like why it isn't liked by white guys because apparently we can hear all sorts of abuse directed at white men and the feelings of black women (who cares) but not white men.

IR relationships with blacks are wrong. That is the feeling people get and that feeling stems from blacks racism towards whites. Which is at ridiculous levels and is given a complete pass in Liberal society.So in a White mans gut he feels this is wrong any IR between a black and white woman is wrong because we know (but can't state outright due to PC) that blacks are the real racists.The feeling is that the relationship is dangerous for the woman and that the woman has been pressured out of guilt or her own feminine naivety into the relationship.

The other key feature is that black "men" are often stupid, ugly, inarticulate, poorly educated losers.

In any other race such a man would be ridiculed and the relationship would be heavily criticized. Can anyone imagine a white man having these characteristics and you or I celebrating that relationship?!No society does not ever do that so there is the glaring exception that blacks are given a pass that for instance white and asian men are not given. This is completely politically motivated.Politically motivated = artificial and not genuine. Thus IR relationships are politically motivated LIES. I don't regard anything that is obtained through political coercion in this way to be a free act.

To sum it up IR relationships of this kind are an exploitation of white women.

White men being men do not feel they should sit idly by because the exploitation is a challenge to them the message is directed at them.Any man with any sort of connection to his culture and people cannot stand this sort of relationship being accepted in our society.

I don't think the complexion has to do with it. There are many anglo women and men that tan darker than blacks and other brown skinned people. My father is like that very dark. While i'm pale and unable to tan.It's the liberal attitude to say "racism" is just about skin tone. Preference and animosity is mostly to do with a peoples collective behavior towards other groups.

I don't mind brown complexions but I have a preference for European women. When I was younger I was more able to be attracted to any woman of any race now in my mid twenties I can not for instance feel any attraction to Africans.

Part of this has a lot to do with a lot of real world anti-white racism i've encountered and its been sudden and ever present in my teens to early adulthood.I grew up in an all white society. Now Sydney is not like that at all.