Baseball players have been cheating almost since the rules of the game were first written. In the beginning, the pitcher's sole job was to start the play by throwing the ball where the batter could hit it. He had to throw underhand, with a stiff elbow and wrist—to literally pitch the ball. But before long many pitchers were bending their wrist while throwing to put more velocity and movement on the pitch and make it harder to hit. Soon enough, pitchers had figured out a way to actually make the ball curve on the way to the plate, making it even harder to hit.

A player would do anything he could to gain an edge. Hall of Famer King Kelly used to skip second base on the way to third if the umpire wasn't looking. John McGraw used to hold runners on third base by grabbing their belts. Sign-stealing, ball-defacing, bat-corking. If a player thought it would help, he'd try it. Norm Cash won a batting title in 1961 with a corked bat, Gaylord Perry went to the Hall of Fame throwing a spitball and making batters think he was about to throw one when he wasn't.

The Miner Part 2 wrote:alright bed time. can someone please get actual info about ruth cheating? like i said, if im wrong on this point i'll change my tone, i just cant find any evidence that backs up anyones claims of ruth being a cheater.

NOBODY can prove Ruth cheated.

yet you all blatantly call him a cheater.

DK wrote:

SeovyeQuirsefron wrote:I'm just glad Sterry got off 714. It was an embarrassment for him to share that number with the Babe.

I agree! How dare he share that number with a cheater.

HOOTIE wrote:

Gang Green wrote:Wow, how delusional. Please show me where Ruth or Aaron were brought in front of a federal grand jury about taking steroids.

So Hank Aaron hit more home runs than anyone else because he took greenies and that made him play more games? Greenies would improve your endurance, not your power. Hank took them so he could get out on the field and play baseball.

Bonds hit 293 home runs after the age of 35, which is more than Roger Maris hit in his whole career. Call it a freak occurence if you must,

Too me, cheating is cheating. How they cheated, why thay cheated, if they got caught cheating, is all moot. They ALL cheated. Aaron, Mays, Bonds records imo, are all equal.

BronXBombers51 wrote:

Aaron and Ruth were cheaters too. That's DK's point.

show some evidence before you pass on your garbage.[/quote]

I don't know who's post you are calling garbage? Maybe all you quoted? Aaron admitted in his autobiography he tried greenies. Mays admitted he used drugs. He turned many players onto his red juice. This isn't made up.

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