The Voice and Hawaii Five-0 were adjusted up a tenth while Dancing With the Stars and The Mob Doctor were each adjusted down a tenth and Castle was adjusted down two tenths among adults 18-49 versus Monday's preliminary ratings.

Final Monday broadcast primetime ratings for Monday, November 12, 2012

You are completely correct, and I believe that ABC IS looking at the 24-54 numbers, everything they do with Castle seems to point to that. My point was that all the other factors DO make a difference as well. But thank you for making your well articulated point

Ultima

@thesnoleopardDid you miss Bill’s statement that shows decline from the fall to the spring? A decline is no surprise.

Yet you insist that the hiatus is the cause of the decline!

when its audience drifts off and forgets about it during a long hiatus.

Which isn’t what is happening, as I’ve tried to explain multiple times.

Ultima

@thesnowleopardA decline that results in cancellation is something to investigate as to its cause.

Maybe shows just suck sometimes? Why does there have to be some other reason?

Ultima

@JasonYou are completely correct, and I believe that ABC IS looking at the 24-54 numbers, everything they do with Castle seems to point to that.

How does renewing a show close to syndication and leaving it in its timeslot in any way point to ABC basing decisions on the 25-54 demo?

@Ultima
No, I pointed out that saying you can’t determine a hiatus’ effect because the shows we’ve been talking about declined over the course of the season is a logical fallacy. Most shows decline over the course of a season and their lifetime. It’s where they start with their series premieres and the *rate* of decline that affects how long they last. The question is not whether a hiatus causes an already declining show to decline but whether it causes the rate of the decline to increase to the point of cancellation.

And no, you haven’t explained it. You’re just convinced that a long hiatus has no effect, even though it has been proven time and again that audiences drift away if you don’t remind them that a show is on. Otherwise, what’s the point of promoting a show’s return or worrying about well it will return with a new season?

As for shows sucking, that is largely a subjective assessment and is not reflected in ratings. Sure, some shows lose audience because they’re bad, but other shows that are hardly examples of high quality go on to great success, while well-regarded shows never catch an audience and are cancelled. So, yeah, there’s usually another reason.

Sarah

@eridapo

I wonder if Fox looks at the 25-54 as well or just the 18-49, especially in terms of Bones. Because the 25-54 # was 5 tenths higher.

eridapo

The above numbers are the season to date ratings for all scripted shows. The data encompasses ratings information from 9/20/12 to 11/12/12. It includes 18-49 data, 25-54 data, and the difference between the two.

The avg gain on 25-54 for CBS is .858 of a point, for ABC is .581 of a point, for CW is .014 of a point, for Fox is .062 of a point, and for NBC is .362 of a point.

IF ANYONE DID NOT WATCH HAWAII FIVE 0 FROM LAST NIGHT U MUST WATCH IT!!! BEST EPISODE EVER….PLEZ CHECK IT OUT!!!

Ultima

@thesnowleopardThe question is not whether a hiatus causes an already declining show to decline but whether it causes the rate of the decline to increase to the point of cancellation.

Let’s look at Flash Forward

Fall premiere to fall finale decline – 47%

Fall finale to spring premiere decline – 10%

Spring premiere to spring finale decline – 32%

Even if you exclude the first two episodes in the fall (inflated series premiere numbers), the fall peak to finale decline is 32%, the same as in the spring.

So, no, the hiatus did not increase the rate of decline.

Let’s look at V

Fall premiere to fall finale decline – 40%

Fall finale to spring premiere decline – 10%

Spring premiere to spring finale decline – 18%

If you exclude the massive premiere numbers, the fall peak to finale decline is 19%, virtually the same as in the spring.

So, again, no, the hiatus did not increase the rate of decline.

You’re just convinced that a long hiatus has no effect, even though it has been proven time and again that audiences drift away if you don’t remind them that a show is on

Except that most of the time, the fall finale to spring premiere decline is in line with the weekly declines that the show had been experiencing.

eridapo

@ Sarah…

Fox will look at it like all the nets (except CW).

If you were to rank the shows by the A25-54, the rankings would not change that much when compare to the 18-49 demo.

There a couple of shows that would trade spots but not too many.

Barbie

Hopefully, H50 will increase ratings when it goes to The Mentalist timeslot once it is cancelled next season. That’s where my bet lies anyway…

Ultima

@SarahI wonder if Fox looks at the 25-54 as well or just the 18-49

The 18-34 demo is much more likely to provide a meaningful insight into FOX’s decisions than the 25-54 demo.

poweranimals

How’s Gossip Girl gonna burn through the rest of the season by January?

Ultima

@poweranimalsHow’s Gossip Girl gonna burn through the rest of the season by January?

By airing a new episode every week?

They had to push the finale back a week to 17 December, but that’s not unreasonably late.

atlanta

@Sarah
Last night was a great Bones ep, only thing wrong with it was, we didnt find out what happened or where Booth was on 9/11, the only soldier of the group. Also agree Sweets is overkill, they took an amusing character and have made him annoying. That’s why I say, get back to the original formula.