Yes, obviously Osama's body existed. I'm saying that evidence wasn't released because they didn't want to glorify him, the same reason why they didn't give him a burial site.

Again, like the pentagon plane, I find this suspicious.

This mother-fecker was the dude who attacked your country. Was responsible for killing thousands of people. There had been so much focus on him. Videos. Audio. etc.

They owe it to the people to show this twats body. It's not for them to hide something like that for whatever reason. Sure they didn't want to glorify him in the eyes of his own people... but what about the american people? I'm sure the vast majority would have wanted to see the cocksuckers dead body. It would have given them some closure.

I really tire of all this secrecy, from organizations who are *supposed* to be there to serve the people.

Yes, obviously Osama's body existed. I'm saying that evidence wasn't released because they didn't want to glorify him, the same reason why they didn't give him a burial site.

You are missing my point by a long shot. Had the released HD video and photo's, people like you would claim them to be fake. So why are you even asking for them at all?

Of course? How hard is it to put some CIA operatives up as soldiers to say they killed osama and saw the body? That's pretty much their job as CIA, deception.

Why not just take one bloody picture or heaven forbid a video? Just how does a picture of his body glorify him? Thousands of his pictures already exist.

You're just gonna claim the #1 terrorist history as dead, and then not even show evidence because it "glorifies" him? The kind of people that would glorify him would glorify him with or without a picture of his body, this is completely ridiculous.

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Again, like the pentagon plane, I find this suspicious.

This mother-fecker was the dude who attacked your country. Was responsible for killing thousands of people. There had been so much focus on him. Videos. Audio. etc.

They owe it to the people to show this twats body. It's not for them to hide something like that for whatever reason. Sure they didn't want to glorify him in the eyes of his own people... but what about the american people? I'm sure the vast majority would have wanted to see the cocksuckers dead body. It would have given them some closure.

I really tire of all this secrecy, from organizations who are *supposed* to be there to serve the people.

They lied about the bailouts, the economy, 9/11, osama, the "nukes" in Iraq etc. etc. Heck it even gets into food, health, family life ... it goes pretty deep if you believe it.

It's all about power. This particular lie is for taking away guns as warned by the guys who founded America and began this short and soon to end age of freedom.

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."

The goal is the usual, domination, manipulation, empowering a few while impoverishing the rest... stuff that has happened throughout history, and it's coming knocking again. Governments getting too big, too powerful, too corrupt and too selfish.

I would suggest look up videos and articles on independent media about these things I mentioned and go from there. Be discerning though and check facts yourselves from links, history etc., there can be lies in independent media or the internet just as there can be truth. And above all stay calm and respectful instead of getting angry, arrogant or ranting about it, because that just pins you as a looney. If you have questions about these things, talk to people you love about them and show them the evidence ... they may think you're nuts at first, but a lot of times they'll come around when they see how blatant it can get.

The point is to keep alert and from being fooled by propaganda, because it probably won't stop here. And just live a better life.

Don't worry dude, I've been researching this shit for years. Since the first Zeitgiest Movie came out. And had an interest since Michael Moore did the 9/11 movie. I know where to find my info.

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Is it a coincidence that elite Ivy League college grads have become president.

No not really.

Also freemasonry hasn't been notable in a century and I have no idea why people keep talking about this bullshit along with the Illuminati which is apparently a devil worshipping secret group that invites rappers into their ranks of the mos powerful people in the country...yeah.

Dude, I'm glad your mind is open and I'm glad you've spoke your mind in this subject because, to be honest, I thought me, Sooj and Liddellianenkno would be on our own here. But theres SOOOOOOOOO much mis-information out there in regards to Freemasonary and especially The Illuminati. I'm not 100% on the fact that its specifically the Illuminati that are causing all this shit but the things you mentioned about the Illuminati are all bs. From the the research I've undertaken, The Bavarian Illuminati was founded in 1776 and disembanded about 30 years later. It is common fact that they inflitrated Freemasonary. Not just in Germany but in the US and the rest of Europe. Now, The illuminati was indeed disembanded in around 1800, but only in Bavaria. By that point, they had already spread around Freemasonary in Europe and the U.S. They addopted the symbols of Freemasonary and was the main benefactor and cause of the French Revelotiuon. Funding both sides.

Then what happened? Did they just decide, you know what, we've had enough of this power and money, I think we'll just stop now. Its been fun. I don't know.

But I'd like to finish with a quote from GEORGE WASHINGTON himself.

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"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am.
The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in _this_ Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

This photo both irritates me and makes me smile. Shame you got it from David Icke. Dude makes some good points but is generally off his f*cking nut!

I fully agree with every thing Icke says about The Illuminati and mass manipulation, every thing he says on those topics is logical, well thought out and makes a lot of sense. How ever, the stuff about Reptilians and our Lizard overlords, not so much.....That said, I'm open minded enough to listen to what some one has to say, regardless of how bizarre it may sound if they explain their opinion thoroughly. The repitilian angle is a bit too much for me, but Icke is right when he says this world we live in so crazy, yet we have convinced ourselves it's normal, it really isn't. Who knows what's really possible or what any of this life is really about.

I fully agree with every thing Icke says about The Illuminati and mass manipulation, every thing he says on those topics is logical, well thought out and makes a lot of sense. How ever, the stuff about Reptilians and our Lizard overlords, not so much.....That said, I'm open minded enough to listen to what some one has to say, regardless of how bizarre it may sound if they explain their opinion thoroughly. The repitilian angle is a bit too much for me, but Icke is right when he says this world we live in so crazy, yet we have convinced ourselves it's normal, it really isn't. Who knows what's really possible or what any of this life is really about.

Oh I'm open enough to listen to his opinions too. Anything really. I view the reptillian thing in the same view as all the other religions. I can't say for sure its bullshit. I just think it probably is. That being said, its really interesting hearing and reading about this stuff. I haven't heard anything in terms of evidence that supports the reptilian theory. And I have been trying. When compared to indoctrination, Illuminati etc there just seems to be no basis for his argument at all. Except maybe a few dodgy interviews with some shaman from Africa. Not exactly a quote from a President of the United States for example? If you see my post, the one before you posted the pic.

Oh I'm open enough to listen to his opinions too. Anything really. I view the reptillian thing in the same view as all the other religions. I can't say for sure its bullshit. I just think it probably is. That being said, its really interesting hearing and reading about this stuff. I haven't heard anything in terms of evidence that supports the reptilian theory. And I have been trying. When compared to indoctrination, Illuminati etc there just seems to be no basis for his argument at all. Except maybe a few dodgy interviews with some shaman from Africa. Not exactly a quote from a President of the United States for example? If you see my post, the one before you posted the pic.

Yea, agreed. It does actually seem like Icke is trying to crate his own Reptilian religion, and he hasn't really got a single shred of evidence to support his theory. I think the closet thing that seemed to hint at some correlation between reptilians and humans was the "Reptilian Complex" he talks about:

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The reptilian complex, also known as the R-complex or "reptilian brain" was the name MacLean gave to the basal ganglia, structures derived from the floor of the forebrain during development. The term derives from the fact that comparative neuroanatomists once believed that the forebrains of reptiles and birds were dominated by these structures. MacLean proposed that the reptilian complex was responsible for species typical instinctual behaviors involved in aggression, dominance, territoriality, and ritual displays.

I also do some times find myself questioning how men like Jimmy Saville are actually the same species as you and me, and other psychopaths, socio paths etc. I can't actually wrap my head around some of the acts that these people commit. Abusing and raping mentally ill children in hospital, I mean I just have no words to describe that what so ever. How are these people real?

Yea, agreed. It does actually seem like Icke is trying to crate his own Reptilian religion, and he hasn't really got a single shred of evidence to support his theory. I think the closet thing that seemed to hint at some correlation between reptilians and humans was the "Reptilian Complex" he talks about:

I also do some times find myself questioning how men like Jimmy Saville are actually the same species as you and me, and other psychopaths, socio paths etc. I can't actually wrap my head around some of the acts that these people commit. Abusing and raping mentally ill children in hospital, I mean I just have no words to describe that what so ever. How are these people real?

Hmm, good point. I think maybe for years it was more difficult to share this kind of info with the masses. Now with the interent etc, tis all more out in the open. Which is quite chilling when you think about it. This kind of 'activity' has been going on since the dawn of mankind, its just people in general haven't know about it. I actually feel sick talking about it. Have to stop.