#1 Sjostrom - 1 point in about 6 or 7 games played
#2 Taffe - 1 possibly 2 pts. in about 6 or 7 games played, has NHL ability
#3 Podlesak - 0 pts. sent to Springfield with not even a sniff at x-game
#4 LeNeveu - had 1 solid game in rookie tourney then injured
#5 Spiller - 1g and 1a I believe in 6 or 7 games, has NHL potential
#6 Knayzev - 0 pts. in 6 games I believe
#7 McLeod - has been ill
#8 Koreis - sent to junior after getting 1 pt. in 4 games
#9 Eager - 1 fight and 0 pts. in 4 games, back in junior
#10 Callahan - has big time potential but back in college
#11 Lukes - 0 pts. I believe in 4 games now in Springfield
#12 Forster - apparently showed promise in rookie tourney / in Europe
#13 Mclachlan - early cut 0 pts.
#14 Jaspers - early cut in last year of his contract
#15 Pelletier - mixed reviews on his play
#16 Jones - in college with good potential

Now, maybe you can see my reasoning for my rant yesterday and my questioning this list. Is everyone still excited about our prospects depth. Guys that do have potential to play in the NHL are not even on this list yet and there are several.

eye: "This organization sux! It sucked in the 70s! It sucked in the 80s! It sucked in the 90s! and it still sux now!. It sux! It sux! It sux! It sux! It sux! It sux!"

eye: "The Phoenix fans suck too! The Red and White Scrimmage was plyed in front of zero fans! They suck! They suck! They suck! They suck!"

You sound like a very bitter Winnipeg fan who is just trying to get real fans of this team to feel the same as you.

Just my opinion.

Look Vince, Coyote Tony or whatever your alias is this week, I have gone on record many times talking about the positives of this team and your attacking sarcastic response doesn't suprise me. I just consider the source. Most of us realize that unless it's you that goes on record to express an opinion, every other poster is stupid and our comments or opinions mean little and are likely wrong, at least that's the way you always come across and I go back years in forming that opinion of you including your posts on various message boards on just about every hockey related topic.

If you were the true fan and the so called expert you claim to be then you would have attended many of the past 2 weeks scrimmages and given us your 2 cents. If you look at just about any teams message boards the local fans provide a pretty good accounting of what's going on in their camps unlike this board. Go to the Leafs board and they go overboard.

I admit to being hard to please and that I raise the bar for performance and I would hope that every Yotes fan would expect a Gretzky led team to do everything possible to become a Cup contender as quickly and as intelligently as possible. I happen to question many of the moves made by this team and that always seems to get a negative or attacking comment from you and a couple of others. I happen to believe there are other teams that have a better feel for how to develop a winning organization and the type of players that are required to get there. The rest of the posters on this board actually do a great job of providing a good balance and realism in their posts.

Regarding this thread the Yotes probably had their best draft in years and none of them are on this list yet. Perhaps, that's because many of us don't know enough about them yet but I find it strange that a few of this years picks are not rated on this list. I also happen to think that based on the stats provided that we may be over-rating some or many of our prospects thinking they are the future of this club.

Yesterday I read that BF wants a physically intimidating strong defensive club and only a few weeks ago I read that BF wanted a high temp strong forchecking team. I could be wrong but I think it has to be one or the other and that this is a contradiction in terms. Which one is it going to be? Now, I have given you some facts to consider so please put some thought into your future responses and don't resort to the easiest way out which is to demean or attack fellow Yotes fans on this or any other board.

Did you go to ANY of the rookie camp skates? Your list is not accurate.

It isnt my list. Its determined by the 20+ guys voting in the polls.

No I didnt go to any of the skates although I went last year. My list would look different as would every other poster's I'm sure. That's why I started this.. to see what a combined list would look like.

We were both right, Master T. The guy is not only a jerk but he thinks just because we didn't attend a season ticket holder only scrimmage we are not good fans.

No, I just think you have poor comprehension skills Vince. The Red and White skate was only 1 of about 10 days of scrimmages you could have attended and if you really read my posts you would have comrehended that.

You're 100% right. DAMN MY BOSS FOR NOT LETTING ME OFF WORK TO ATTEND THE COYOTES' PRACTICES/SCRIMMAGES! I QUIT!!! AND WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY COUNTER OFFER UNLESS IT INCLUDES AN ALLOWANCE FOR GOING TO THOSE PRACTICES/SCRIMMAGES AT 9am-11am or 11am-1pm or 1pm-3pm.

I'd be angry too and use CAPS to let everyone know if I had to work 7 days a week. In all honesty Tony, I guess what I have been trying to say is that every team on the HFboards has some pretty good feedback on camps and ours sucks. The Vancouver board has several pages just on their game with us as an e.g. The Leafs fans go overboard and one wonders if they have a life at all outside of hockey as they analyze everything to death including which dentist a player may go to for dental work. My biggest frustration is the Phoenix media who obviously don't delegate any media types to follow this team. Around here, employers almost understand when you disappear from work for a couple of hours to check things out at a local arena on occasion. I do apologize to you as I know you are one of the loyal locals that support this team and that you wear your heart on your sleeve. If you could have gone to the scrimmages you would have and we would have heard all about your opinions on camp. Bet when you saw eye, you were expecting another type of response!

ps I think your stats on Eager are wrong - see Mr.October thread. Not to mention its incredibly short-sighted to judge them that way.

Perhaps, I wasn't clear. Ben Eager stats at rookie tourney were;

39 BEN EAGER 4GP 0G 0A 5PIMS

I wasn't referring to his stats back in junior just indicating that he was released back to junior. I know stats don't tell the entire story but compared to other NHL camps our prospects are not producing. My oringinal point stevex.

I wasn't referring to his stats back in junior just indicating that he was released back to junior. I know stats don't tell the entire story but compared to other NHL camps our prospects are not producing. My oringinal point stevex.

And it is a valid point eye and one that would mean more if we hadn't won the tournament. Individual stats don't tell the whole story. By most accounts Taffe was one of the best players on the ice and he too did not register much in terms of offensive statistics.

But your point is valid eye. Where are the difficult decisions for management? If anything most of our prospects have made it very easy for management to send them back to junior or down to the farm. Maybe it is a self-fullfilling propecy as that appears to be the game plan from the start so could the problem be a lack of motivation? I'm not pulling the alarm bell yet but its a situation that should be monitored very closely for next season. It could be a sign that our scouting department is not up to snuff or it could be that our prospects are not top line material (a point that has been made already) and our expectations are too high.

I wasn't referring to his stats back in junior just indicating that he was released back to junior. I know stats don't tell the entire story but compared to other NHL camps our prospects are not producing. My oringinal point stevex.

I realised what you meant later.. thought you were judging them on what they had done recently and Eager has been quite impressive recently as opposed to the tourney.

Stats dont tell the story at all - unless you think Randall Gelech was the best prospect out of all the Coyotes, Ducks, Kings and Sharks there as he was the top scorer after all . Didnt you just say in the other thread that your scout friend judged the Coyote prospects to be doing better than the Canucks? Im not sure but I think you've got a case of the grass is greener on other teams.

I agree though.. I expected a bigger impact from our rookies - specifically Leneveu, McLeod, Podlesak, Spiller and Knyazev. Leneveu has been better than I expected when he played but obviously they feel he's one for the future since it is rare to see a goalie graduate so fast. Podlesak and McLeod have had obvious injury problems. Spiller has done reasonably well I believe and personally I didnt think he looked out of place last year either.. although he isnt better than the NHL regulars at this point. Knyazev has been very very quiet which is disturbing but its obviously too quick to write anyone off.. and actually not being noticed can be a reflection of good play for defensemen IMO.

On the flip side we have guys doing unexpectedly well like Tanabe and Kolanos.. hopes were dampened down around here for valid reasons but they look good.

I'm almost of the opinion that two seasons from now, Krys Kolanos will be our top forward.

I'm worried about the long-term relationship between Taffe and Phoenix. Why do I fear that our never ending search for an enforcer may lead to his departure; especially with the depth we currently have at the center ice position. We can't keep him in the minors forever and somebody is probably going to have to move to make way for him.

I realised what you meant later.. thought you were judging them on what they had done recently and Eager has been quite impressive recently as opposed to the tourney.

Stats dont tell the story at all - unless you think Randall Gelech was the best prospect out of all the Coyotes, Ducks, Kings and Sharks there as he was the top scorer after all . Didnt you just say in the other thread that your scout friend judged the Coyote prospects to be doing better than the Canucks? Im not sure but I think you've got a case of the grass is greener on other teams.

I agree though.. I expected a bigger impact from our rookies - specifically Leneveu, McLeod, Podlesak, Spiller and Knyazev. Leneveu has been better than I expected when he played but obviously they feel he's one for the future since it is rare to see a goalie graduate so fast. Podlesak and McLeod have had obvious injury problems. Spiller has done reasonably well I believe and personally I didnt think he looked out of place last year either.. although he isnt better than the NHL regulars at this point. Knyazev has been very very quiet which is disturbing but its obviously too quick to write anyone off.. and actually not being noticed can be a reflection of good play for defensemen IMO.

On the flip side we have guys doing unexpectedly well like Tanabe and Kolanos.. hopes were dampened down around here for valid reasons but they look good.

Not sure where you got the impression about the grass is greener analogy stevex. I was simply pointing out that our prospects are not producing points in exhibition play or in the rookie tourney for that matter with the exception of Gelech when compared to the prospects on many other teams. Many prospects on other teams are contributing with some serious production. Perhaps, BF is working on a defensive concept, maybe he's playing the vets in situations where other teams are seeing what their prospects can do, or mayb and I hope this is not the case, our prospects are not talented enough to contribute, at least not yet. Tanabe and Ossi with mostly veteran fwds. played most of the pp the last game as case in point where some teams would be playing prospects in the same situation. I guess what I'm getting at is we now have a pretty good lineup, pretty deep in terms of numbers at all positions and I'm having difficulty figuring out where all of our prospects are going to fit in over the next couple of years in order for this team to move forward. Which current players will be gone to open up spots for them. Which players will develop into stars and elevate their play? I'm looking for answers on how to get this team over the 1st round playoff .500 type hockey that it has and IMO will continue to play unless we continue to upgrade and find a way to fit our high end prospects or future free agent help into the lineup.