All sentient, created beings have freewill including angels. Some chose to follow God, others wanted to follow Evil(satan).

God is truly kind and has given the evil max. power(just have a glance on the world).

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28008564

There will come a time for justice, we've had a choice, and we will reap either the benefits of our choice, or the punishment for it.

Quoting: K.Kool

I don't believe in all that anymore, I see God as above such things as a loving being.

Quoting: ajk

As a loving being he gives you many opportunities to return to him, justice is a part of the fundamental laws of the universe, and only God's mercy can revoke it.Without these laws of existence, we wouldn't be here.

Quoting: K.Kool

Justice on a physical level has to exist yes, but spiritually speaking there is no bad person, never was one.

No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

There will come a time for justice, we've had a choice, and we will reap either the benefits of our choice, or the punishment for it.

Quoting: K.Kool

I don't believe in all that anymore, I see God as above such things as a loving being.

Quoting: ajk

As a loving being he gives you many opportunities to return to him, justice is a part of the fundamental laws of the universe, and only God's mercy can revoke it.Without these laws of existence, we wouldn't be here.

Quoting: K.Kool

Justice on a physical level has to exist yes, but spiritually speaking there is no bad person, never was one.

I don't believe in all that anymore, I see God as above such things as a loving being.

Quoting: ajk

As a loving being he gives you many opportunities to return to him, justice is a part of the fundamental laws of the universe, and only God's mercy can revoke it.Without these laws of existence, we wouldn't be here.

Quoting: K.Kool

Justice on a physical level has to exist yes, but spiritually speaking there is no bad person, never was one.

I know it seems crazy, and in no way am I saying the actions of some have not been bad. But you have to look at it from a universal perspective. There has to be a good-bad pull in this world for it to function as it does. Good cannot exist alone, nor can bad, you need both. So......since bad has to exist on this plane.....it stands to reason that there has to be some souls that have to be the ones to do said bad things. Given that, it makes no sense to punish them, when they are simply playing a role in the universe that is needed for it to exist as it does. It could not function without them.

Make sense?

No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

As a loving being he gives you many opportunities to return to him, justice is a part of the fundamental laws of the universe, and only God's mercy can revoke it.Without these laws of existence, we wouldn't be here.

Quoting: K.Kool

Justice on a physical level has to exist yes, but spiritually speaking there is no bad person, never was one.

I know it seems crazy, and in no way am I saying the actions of some have not been bad. But you have to look at it from a universal perspective. There has to be a good-bad pull in this world for it to function as it does. Good cannot exist alone, nor can bad, you need both. So......since bad has to exist on this plane.....it stands to reason that there has to be some souls that have to be the ones to do said bad things. Given that, it makes no sense to punish them, when they are simply playing a role in the universe that is needed for it to exist as it does. It could not function without them.

Make sense?

Quoting: ajk

This 'good-bad pull' why do you feel its necessary?The only thing it accomplishes is misery.The negative and positive polarities that you're referring to, are electrical in nature, we need them for existence, but our morals don't drive the cosmos, ajk.

They realized how easy they had it, and was a crock of BS they had just been sold.

So they took it out on those that were good to them.

Poor misguided women.

Time to admit your mistake, forgo your foolish pride, and come join the "real world", and enjoy life.

Quoting: Kellogs Just Right 29049018

If shes like a typical Feminist, only those men at the absolute top exist. Everyone else is 'filler' so the room doesn't look so empty.And caring about men less fortunate than the average woman?Feminists don't even acknowledge their existence, let alone care about them. As far as I'm concerned, the 'average guy' had to work harder to accomplish his goals than the 'average Female CEO' had to.

I know it seems crazy, and in no way am I saying the actions of some have not been bad. But you have to look at it from a universal perspective. There has to be a good-bad pull in this world for it to function as it does. Good cannot exist alone, nor can bad, you need both. So......since bad has to exist on this plane.....it stands to reason that there has to be some souls that have to be the ones to do said bad things. Given that, it makes no sense to punish them, when they are simply playing a role in the universe that is needed for it to exist as it does. It could not function without them.

Make sense?

Quoting: ajk

This 'good-bad pull' why do you feel its necessary?The only thing it accomplishes is misery.

Quoting: K.Kool

Not true. How would you get stronger without periods of weakness? How would you know what it's like to be happy, without being sad? How would you know joy, without pain? You wouldn't.

To get where I am right now, to learn the things I have up to this point in my life, I had to experience the negative things I have, I wouldn't be who I am without those. Those things make us who we are. They shape how we think and what we do.

This is why it is necessary, we need both sides to have the experiences we do, we need both to learn.

I know it seems crazy, and in no way am I saying the actions of some have not been bad. But you have to look at it from a universal perspective. There has to be a good-bad pull in this world for it to function as it does. Good cannot exist alone, nor can bad, you need both. So......since bad has to exist on this plane.....it stands to reason that there has to be some souls that have to be the ones to do said bad things. Given that, it makes no sense to punish them, when they are simply playing a role in the universe that is needed for it to exist as it does. It could not function without them.

Make sense?

Quoting: ajk

This 'good-bad pull' why do you feel its necessary?The only thing it accomplishes is misery.

Quoting: K.Kool

Not true. How would you get stronger without periods of weakness? How would you know what it's like to be happy, without being sad? How would you know joy, without pain? You wouldn't.

To get where I am right now, to learn the things I have up to this point in my life, I had to experience the negative things I have, I wouldn't be who I am without those. Those things make us who we are. They shape how we think and what we do.

This is why it is necessary, we need both sides to have the experiences we do, we need both to learn.

Quoting: ajk

That's all very well for your own internal life, but do you really think there is no right and wrong, that Hitler was just processing his emotional baggage??

I know it seems crazy, and in no way am I saying the actions of some have not been bad. But you have to look at it from a universal perspective. There has to be a good-bad pull in this world for it to function as it does. Good cannot exist alone, nor can bad, you need both. So......since bad has to exist on this plane.....it stands to reason that there has to be some souls that have to be the ones to do said bad things. Given that, it makes no sense to punish them, when they are simply playing a role in the universe that is needed for it to exist as it does. It could not function without them.

Make sense?

Quoting: ajk

This 'good-bad pull' why do you feel its necessary?The only thing it accomplishes is misery.

Quoting: K.Kool

Not true. How would you get stronger without periods of weakness? How would you know what it's like to be happy, without being sad? How would you know joy, without pain? You wouldn't.

To get where I am right now, to learn the things I have up to this point in my life, I had to experience the negative things I have, I wouldn't be who I am without those. Those things make us who we are. They shape how we think and what we do.

This is why it is necessary, we need both sides to have the experiences we do, we need both to learn.

Quoting: ajk

That's all very well for your own internal life, but do you really think there is no right and wrong, that Hitler was just processing his emotional baggage??

Quoting: K.Kool

On a human standpoint are there right and wrong choices? Yes. From the standpoint of the universe itself though, they don't exist because they ALL must be there for the world to be as it is, for US to be as we are. I understand that concept may be difficult to grasp, but that is the fact of the matter. There is much more to life, to us, to the universe than we really understand.

No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

This 'good-bad pull' why do you feel its necessary?The only thing it accomplishes is misery.

Quoting: K.Kool

Not true. How would you get stronger without periods of weakness? How would you know what it's like to be happy, without being sad? How would you know joy, without pain? You wouldn't.

To get where I am right now, to learn the things I have up to this point in my life, I had to experience the negative things I have, I wouldn't be who I am without those. Those things make us who we are. They shape how we think and what we do.

This is why it is necessary, we need both sides to have the experiences we do, we need both to learn.

Quoting: ajk

That's all very well for your own internal life, but do you really think there is no right and wrong, that Hitler was just processing his emotional baggage??

On a human standpoint are there right and wrong choices? Yes. From the standpoint of the universe itself though, they don't exist because they ALL must be there for the world to be as it is, for US to be as we are. I understand that concept may be difficult to grasp, but that is the fact of the matter. There is much more to life, to us, to the universe than we really understand.

And that more is God, and the laws of existence he made, as the creator of them.To the universe, our individual lives don't matter at all, whether we are good or bad makes no difference to the universe, it is God, who you are offending.

To the universe, our individual lives don't matter at all, whether we are good or bad makes no difference to the universe, it is God, who you are offending.

Quoting: K.Kool

That's if God gets offended, but I contend God does not. God is not of a human mind, religious people even would admit that, so why would it act or think like a human would? It wouldn't and doesn't.

Beyond that, if God created everything perfectly, how could we possibly do anything so bad that it didn't intend for us to do to begin with? The very notion lacks logic for such a being. If God didn't want certain things as part of the world, they simply wouldn't be, but they are, and I don't know about you, I think God knew what it was doing.

As I say, there is much more to the universe and yes God with it, than we know. But to really understand that, we first have to be willing to admit maybe what we have been told isn't accurate, and stop looking at it through the lenses we were raised with. We want to think we know all there is to know about God, but in reality, we really don't know half of what we think we know, and much of what we think we know is based upon lies. Until we can open our eyes and realize that, we will never truly understand the nature of the universe or ourselves, much less the nature of God.

When they take their marriage vows they promise to honour and obey you - But the moment you ask them to do you a simple favour, like bring you a cake with a gun in it, they hand your letter to the fucking prison authorities...

Bitches.

Propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach...

To the universe, our individual lives don't matter at all, whether we are good or bad makes no difference to the universe, it is God, who you are offending.

Quoting: K.Kool

That's if God gets offended, but I contend God does not. God is not of a human mind, religious people even would admit that, so why would it act or think like a human would? It wouldn't and doesn't.

Beyond that, if God created everything perfectly, how could we possibly do anything so bad that it didn't intend for us to do to begin with? The very notion lacks logic for such a being. If God didn't want certain things as part of the world, they simply wouldn't be, but they are, and I don't know about you, I think God knew what it was doing.

As I say, there is much more to the universe and yes God with it, than we know. But to really understand that, we first have to be willing to admit maybe what we have been told isn't accurate, and stop looking at it through the lenses we were raised with. We want to think we know all there is to know about God, but in reality, we really don't know half of what we think we know, and much of what we think we know is based upon lies. Until we can open our eyes and realize that, we will never truly understand the nature of the universe or ourselves, much less the nature of God.

Quoting: ajk

Well ajk, it's not like we have nothing to base our idea of what God is on, his relationship to us is well recorded in the Bible, and when we begin our own relationship with him, we get to know even more.We were made in his likeness, so although he doesn't have a human mind, he has some of the same attributes, and our behaviour does affect him, he reacts like a father.

God exists outside time, he can see all our actions, that to us are divided into past, present and future, as one whole.Just because he knows what we will choose, does not make us irresponsible for our choices.Free will and God's omniscience have exercised some great minds over the centuries, I'm still mulling over the implications, too, and it is too much to go into here, but this explains our position with regard to morality pretty well:

To the universe, our individual lives don't matter at all, whether we are good or bad makes no difference to the universe, it is God, who you are offending.

Quoting: K.Kool

That's if God gets offended, but I contend God does not. God is not of a human mind, religious people even would admit that, so why would it act or think like a human would? It wouldn't and doesn't.

Beyond that, if God created everything perfectly, how could we possibly do anything so bad that it didn't intend for us to do to begin with? The very notion lacks logic for such a being. If God didn't want certain things as part of the world, they simply wouldn't be, but they are, and I don't know about you, I think God knew what it was doing.

As I say, there is much more to the universe and yes God with it, than we know. But to really understand that, we first have to be willing to admit maybe what we have been told isn't accurate, and stop looking at it through the lenses we were raised with. We want to think we know all there is to know about God, but in reality, we really don't know half of what we think we know, and much of what we think we know is based upon lies. Until we can open our eyes and realize that, we will never truly understand the nature of the universe or ourselves, much less the nature of God.

Quoting: ajk

Well ajk, it's not like we have nothing to base our idea of what God is on, his relationship to us is well recorded in the Bible, and when we begin our own relationship with him, we get to know even more.We were made in his likeness, so although he doesn't have a human mind, he has some of the same attributes, and our behaviour does affect him, he reacts like a father.

God exists outside time, he can see all our actions, that to us are divided into past, present and future, as one whole.Just because he knows what we will choose, does not make us irresponsible for our choices.Free will and God's omniscience have exercised some great minds over the centuries, I'm still mulling over the implications, too, and it is too much to go into here, but this explains our position with regard to morality pretty well:

I'm sorry but you just don't know God like you think you do, you simply don't. And how do you KNOW God's word is written in the Bible? Can you prove definitively that his stamp is on it? I could claim Moby Dick is divinely inspired, still doesn't make it true, it's just a book, the Bible is no different.

Secondly, if we are made in God's likeness, than that explains how bad a lot of people are, because the Biblical God is just as bad, if not worse! So on this I agree with you, if we have your God's likeness, then that's why we're so bad, like father like son........

As for the rest, if God knows every choice we make, how can we be responsible for them? That isn't fair. Free will can't exist, if the timeline is totally set in stone and we are not able to alter it in any way. You're basically saying, God creates people already KNOWING they aren't saved and are hellbound. Wouldn't it be easier just to NOT create those people? What good parent would do that, and then blame the child for something they had no control over anyway? No one would, and thus if God is better than us, it doesn't either.

No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

To the universe, our individual lives don't matter at all, whether we are good or bad makes no difference to the universe, it is God, who you are offending.

Quoting: K.Kool

That's if God gets offended, but I contend God does not. God is not of a human mind, religious people even would admit that, so why would it act or think like a human would? It wouldn't and doesn't.

Beyond that, if God created everything perfectly, how could we possibly do anything so bad that it didn't intend for us to do to begin with? The very notion lacks logic for such a being. If God didn't want certain things as part of the world, they simply wouldn't be, but they are, and I don't know about you, I think God knew what it was doing.

As I say, there is much more to the universe and yes God with it, than we know. But to really understand that, we first have to be willing to admit maybe what we have been told isn't accurate, and stop looking at it through the lenses we were raised with. We want to think we know all there is to know about God, but in reality, we really don't know half of what we think we know, and much of what we think we know is based upon lies. Until we can open our eyes and realize that, we will never truly understand the nature of the universe or ourselves, much less the nature of God.

Quoting: ajk

Well ajk, it's not like we have nothing to base our idea of what God is on, his relationship to us is well recorded in the Bible, and when we begin our own relationship with him, we get to know even more.We were made in his likeness, so although he doesn't have a human mind, he has some of the same attributes, and our behaviour does affect him, he reacts like a father.

God exists outside time, he can see all our actions, that to us are divided into past, present and future, as one whole.Just because he knows what we will choose, does not make us irresponsible for our choices.Free will and God's omniscience have exercised some great minds over the centuries, I'm still mulling over the implications, too, and it is too much to go into here, but this explains our position with regard to morality pretty well:

I'm sorry but you just don't know God like you think you do, you simply don't. And how do you KNOW God's word is written in the Bible? Can you prove definitively that his stamp is on it? I could claim Moby Dick is divinely inspired, still doesn't make it true, it's just a book, the Bible is no different.

Secondly, if we are made in God's likeness, than that explains how bad a lot of people are, because the Biblical God is just as bad, if not worse! So on this I agree with you, if we have your God's likeness, then that's why we're so bad, like father like son........

As for the rest, if God knows every choice we make, how can we be responsible for them? That isn't fair. Free will can't exist, if the timeline is totally set in stone and we are not able to alter it in any way. You're basically saying, God creates people already KNOWING they aren't saved and are hellbound. Wouldn't it be easier just to NOT create those people? What good parent would do that, and then blame the child for something they had no control over anyway? No one would, and thus if God is better than us, it doesn't either.

Quoting: ajk

We've reached that point in the debate where we just go back around again, but I guess airing it isn't ever totally wasted, if only because it shows how incomprehensible the mind of God is, to our capacity to understand.

Atheists don't like word 'mystery' but to me it is a rare jewel I'll appreciate till I die.

I know what I know, you have free will to keep hold of what you know, and to live your life accordingly, I sincerely hope you can leave the door to the mystery of faith open just a little bit.

That's if God gets offended, but I contend God does not. God is not of a human mind, religious people even would admit that, so why would it act or think like a human would? It wouldn't and doesn't.

Beyond that, if God created everything perfectly, how could we possibly do anything so bad that it didn't intend for us to do to begin with? The very notion lacks logic for such a being. If God didn't want certain things as part of the world, they simply wouldn't be, but they are, and I don't know about you, I think God knew what it was doing.

As I say, there is much more to the universe and yes God with it, than we know. But to really understand that, we first have to be willing to admit maybe what we have been told isn't accurate, and stop looking at it through the lenses we were raised with. We want to think we know all there is to know about God, but in reality, we really don't know half of what we think we know, and much of what we think we know is based upon lies. Until we can open our eyes and realize that, we will never truly understand the nature of the universe or ourselves, much less the nature of God.

Quoting: ajk

Well ajk, it's not like we have nothing to base our idea of what God is on, his relationship to us is well recorded in the Bible, and when we begin our own relationship with him, we get to know even more.We were made in his likeness, so although he doesn't have a human mind, he has some of the same attributes, and our behaviour does affect him, he reacts like a father.

God exists outside time, he can see all our actions, that to us are divided into past, present and future, as one whole.Just because he knows what we will choose, does not make us irresponsible for our choices.Free will and God's omniscience have exercised some great minds over the centuries, I'm still mulling over the implications, too, and it is too much to go into here, but this explains our position with regard to morality pretty well:

I'm sorry but you just don't know God like you think you do, you simply don't. And how do you KNOW God's word is written in the Bible? Can you prove definitively that his stamp is on it? I could claim Moby Dick is divinely inspired, still doesn't make it true, it's just a book, the Bible is no different.

Secondly, if we are made in God's likeness, than that explains how bad a lot of people are, because the Biblical God is just as bad, if not worse! So on this I agree with you, if we have your God's likeness, then that's why we're so bad, like father like son........

As for the rest, if God knows every choice we make, how can we be responsible for them? That isn't fair. Free will can't exist, if the timeline is totally set in stone and we are not able to alter it in any way. You're basically saying, God creates people already KNOWING they aren't saved and are hellbound. Wouldn't it be easier just to NOT create those people? What good parent would do that, and then blame the child for something they had no control over anyway? No one would, and thus if God is better than us, it doesn't either.

Quoting: ajk

We've reached that point in the debate where we just go back around again, but I guess airing it isn't ever totally wasted, if only because it shows how incomprehensible the mind of God is, to our capacity to understand.

Atheists don't like word 'mystery' but to me it is a rare jewel I'll appreciate till I die.

I know what I know, you have free will to keep hold of what you know, and to live your life accordingly, I sincerely hope you can leave the door to the mystery of faith open just a little bit.

Quoting: K.Kool

Oh I have faith God exists, never ever said I have not, but I don't believe God is some tyrant watching over every little thing we do and punishing us for every wrong thing, I prefer to think much higher of a divine being than to think that.

Also.....if we can't understand the mind of God, how exactly can you? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? You're saying God's mind is incomprehensible, yet you somehow fully understand it? Yeah that makes sense.......if I can't grasp it you can't either, sorry.

No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government