i dont get that. people just disagree. this is a blog, it isnt like we are all throwing punches in a bar. (by the way if we are ever in a bar, i call dibbs on sitting next to mike e with the sandpaper hand). even when this team wins people have a difference of opinion. and this blog has a lot of ball busters, so i dont see fighting just some good ole fun ball busting while stating ones opinion.

Jahndoh30 says:
December 15, 2015 at 2:09 pm
I’m gonna dust off this old idea one more time, and before anyone gives me any lip, remember, NOTHING IS FUCKING WORKING WITH THIS ORGANIZATION FOR MANY YEARS. It’s time to try something radical.

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Yesss, Ross can sell the team to a radical muslim owner and we can declare jihad on the NFL. It’s working in Jacksonville so far. 😉

I’m just not sure his head is in it for the total commitment it would take. I think he likes bebopping around and not being stuck in one place slaving away. I could be wrong.
It does sound cool to have Marino at the helm though.

Piggy:
I disagree with you on the throw to Cameron. I love that he took a shot at the full 20 yards for the 1st down. We needed 7 and not to set up for a FG. Was the throw late? I think that is debatable. He stepped up nice in the pocket and he had to allow time for Cameron to go 20 yards down field. It would have been a tough catch but a catch that could have been made. I truly think Tannehill played a fine game last night and blaming him for the loss is misplaced frustration. There have been games this year that Tannehill deserves criticism for a poor performance, in particular last week was one. This week I thought he played well and he gave us chances to win. At some point some of our playmakers have to step up and be playmakers too. I don’t think they did last night.

Agreed. Said it earlier before you guys came on.
I screamed that last night in real time. Go for the 1st down. Take a shot. You’re a 5-7 team down by 7 with time clicking away. Don’t you dare run a draw or some dump off pass to gain a better FG position.

So I applauded the shot down the field. Yet Tanny gets bashed because it was late, or off target, or he should have seen Parker open to the right of Cameron. Yet the critique failed to mention he was under duress and had to chuck it instead of tasking a sack.

Tanny did his part. It takes 2 to make a big pass play great. Not just 1. (it also takes the OL doing good)

You could be right about Marino GDP, but I think at this point he’s got the ethics and experience to know whether or not to say yes to the job. One of his good friends is Pat Kirwan who has been an NFL GM and I know they’d talk considerably before Marino makes the decision. I doubt that’s the only former GM he’d consult with too.

I respect Pat Kirwan. Good post. Maybe it will happen. That and bring in Mike Shula. I keep banging the drum for him.
If I’m an owner in Miami, I do this NOW to keep from losing the base of diehard fans that are all about the glory days of the Shu.
Seats would be filled and hopes would be high. Mike has earned his stripes. Let him fly.

Jahn — just don’t think Marino wants that in his life, which is just as important as if he would be good at it. He might want to be a Parcells football Czar type, but then he doesn’t have the track record to be that.

Just don’t sense the desire to be the sleep four-hours a night during the season guy. And he has all the money he needs……might be different if he didn’t.

I don’t think the GM or guy handling football operations is the guy who burns the candle at both ends. I think that’s the HC, and possibly the coordinators. The upper management guys aren’t working the 80 hour weeks

80 hours a week would be a step down from the coaches in season though. I don’t really know, but guessing Hickey is more than a 9-5 guy. Maybe Tannebaum is, but then we get back to Marino has exactly zero management experience on his resume….’cept maybe for that one position he held for a couple days.

I don’t really know either, but my guess would be that the management guys aren’t working the long hours. The coaches have game plans to implement, film to watch and opponents to scout. I’d think the personnel guys can do mostly 9-5 work, maybe more when preparing for the draft and the new season

You never hear “Manning led OBJ too far, and he had to make a spectacular diving catch in the end zone”, because he made the damn catch. When the receiver does what he’s supposed to do, no one gets blamed

I get that Tannehill missed Landry last night on that 3rd down throw. He was off on that one throw. However, that one miss does not mean he played a bad game. He made some really good throws too including 7 that were dropped.

“I’ve been here six years and nothing has gone the way that we wanted it to be. Every year we come in with new hope and, there again, we’re going to have another season where we have a playoff drought. I make damn sure that it stings and it hurts because the minute you go numb to that, then you’re just a loser. I want it to hurt. It motivates me and it pisses me off. It’s not too much for me to handle. To me, that’s how you get motivated to win because you get tired of losing and it stinks.”

Try:
This season Tannehill is among the best in the league on deep throws. His numbers on deep throws have dramatically improved this year. What is perplexing is that in the intermediate game where he was so good last year his numbers have trended down.

I think he was 2nd in league in passess completed that traveled over 20 yards in the air. I tried to look up the stat but my computer at work is blocking my access to the site I found that on. He is completing a high percentage and high numbers of passes that have traveled over 20 yards in the air this season. He has really improved in that area of his game. His intermediate throws have trended down from last year.

That throw looked like Landry ran into the DB, then redirected himself some & it slowed him just enough. It happens. No blame to either. Jints DC game planned our predictable asses well.
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No excuses on that one. He missed him. It happens. Only QB against us hit on all their passes or so it seems.

…from SS
Dolphins interim coach Dan Campbell said Tuesday that running back Lamar Miller only had one carry in the fourth quarter of Monday’s 31-24 loss to the New York Giants because of an ankle injury.

That contradicts Miller, who said after the game his right ankle was fine.

“This is the first that I’ve heard of, that he was OK to go in the second (half),” Campbell said. “If that’s what he told you guys…I knew that he wasn’t in there for a spell because I saw him limp off the field.

“So at that point I was just trying to manage the game.”

Campbell said it was first because of Miller’s injury, and then because of the game situation.

“He just had the ankle for a while,” Campbell said of Miller. “And then we got to the point we felt like we had to throw it a little bit more. The runs that we had, when you look at what we did in the second half, we ran really good in the first half, and we still busted a couple.

“But we come out and we get a one-yard gain and now it’s second and nine. We get a holding, we get a false start, we come out and run it for one. You know, I said it, there again, when you’re not efficient on first or second down when you run the ball you put yourself in a bind. You want to run it on second and 10 and now all of a sudden it’s third and 10, and that’s a problem.”

Ajayi should have been utilized more I agree. Some of the run plays that Campbell mentioned being unsuccessful there were poorly designed too.
Most of all, the penalties, especially the pre snap ones & holding are just killers in a tense game situation with clock running out. Kills any flow for the offense.

“Jahn — just don’t think Marino wants that in his life, which is just as important as if he would be good at it. He might want to be a Parcells football Czar type, but then he doesn’t have the track record to be that.

Just don’t sense the desire to be the sleep four-hours a night during the season guy. And he has all the money he needs……might be different if he didn’t.”
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Stanger,

I’m willing to let him have that choice to make rather than say I wouldn’t want him because he wouldn’t want it.

It’s kind of tangential to the conversation anyway. Whether Marino would want to or not is a different conversation than whether there’s a better idea. You addressed his “he doesn’t have the track record, and to that I say, I don’t care at all. This team has been an absolute mess for too long for us to start crossing off names because of perceptions on “track record”. Elway didn’t have the track record either.

One other thing you said I want to address. There is no GM who only sleeps for 4 hours a night DURING the season. That’s pretty much predraft for a few weeks and during the FA period. The sleepless nights during the season are specific to coaches.

Anyway…like I said, it’s kind of tangential. I don’t care much who thinks what about Marino thinks. If I were Ross, I’d get him on the phone and explore the conversation. I’m sick of this team’s miserable failures. If Marino failed as a GM, I’d still be glad we gave it a try.

Then it’s settled. Marino for GM. I’m all for it. He’d know all about getting proper OL players too. I’d bet he’d elicit great intel on the defensive side too. He’d also be one helluva leverage guy for luring FA’s here, that & the no state tax angle.

I don’t know…I just wanted to throw it out there. I’m tired of losing, and nothing has worked, not the moves I disagreed with, not the moves I agreed with, nothing. Can’t be any worse than middle of the first round and out of the playoffs every single year. at least in 2008 we had the 1st overall pick in the draft to daydream about all offseason.

Jahn — this will probably the most pathetic comment ever, but I shook his hand and talked to him for like a minute. Just didn’t see it.

Maybe it was a bad moment and he was nice enough, but then part of my job used to be figuring out who “the players” were in a given situation. Also matches up with him taking the front office job and quickly leaving it.

I’m the furthest from a beer aficionado, I don’t drink enough to have a solid opinion of them. I do like Yuengling and Bass Ale. Bass has been my go to for a long time, but more recently I enjoy Yuengling as well.

Jahn, I see where Stone Brewing & Green Flash are opening east coast breweries now. I think they’re from SoCal, maybe SD area.
Aren’t you more north Cali?
What’s the name of your brewery? Most brewed beer?

I’ll give you guys a beer. When i spent a semester in London you walked into the local pub and ask for a bitter every time. Back in those days at least the pubs only served from one brewery and your choices were lager, bitter and stout. Bitter was the middle one and pure gold goodness, but for whatever reason it seemed it didn’t travel over the ocean for some reason.

Now with the draught flow can you can at least get close. Find one of these (have seen in a number of supermarkets), pop it, wait 45 seconds and then pour into a big glass.

I’ve had McSorley’s in the bottle (not sure if they still sell it that way).
Been in the place just once, but it was more like a tourist stop cause my friends and I saw it and said, “that’s the place we’ve heard of.” One beer to say we’d been there, but forget what I had.

But if you like McSorley’s, Murphy’s Irish Stout is another draught flow option.

Tanny is who he is….an average QB who will rarely be the reason we win a game, but he won’t lose many for you either. It’s time to realize this organization is looking at a new regime and more than likely another 3-4 years to build this team into a winner, if we get lucky and they actually hire the right people. This sucks.

Look at the space below Cameron
that is where the ball goes to Cameron if its thrown earlier to Cameron

Look at Parker wide open

It was a good throw in the sense that it was catchable for Cameron
but that throw to Parker is so much more of a sure thing
or an earlier throw to Cameron
Tanny makes catches tougher than they should be all the time

You can argue that the ball was catchable by the receiver until your blue in the face
most throws are catchable if they are near the receiver
but a QB should not make the receivers job as tough as Tanny is making it for his receivers

He makes these sort of throws or mistakes all the time
He just is not seeing the field right
not react soon enough either
and it makes for a tough catch
then people hop up and down about the receiver should have made the catch

You can argue that the ball was catchable by the receiver until your blue in the face
most throws are catchable if they are near the receiver
but a QB should not make the receivers job as tough as Tanny is making it for his receivers

lol, the shame of him. he should get a time out and have to stand in the corner for 45 minutes.

you can complain all you want, but i bet if tanny started throwing passes on time, there would be no drops, the oline will provide a great pocket and protection, miller will get 25+ rushes a game, grimes could cover someone, the d line could stop the run and the d would never give up more then 10 points.

MikeE,
Wilson seems to find a way to make plays behind a crappy OL. That’s a factor, but our OL is not playing horribly this year. People just keep saying it. It’s become a mantra….like Soliai sucks! Lol

MikeE,
Wilson seems to find a way to make plays behind a crappy OL. That’s a factor, but our OL is not playing horribly this year.

randy,

here is the sad part of your comment. the state the fins are in. ‘not playing horrible this year’ cant even say about any part of this team something like ‘yeah but _________ is playing really well’. the discussion isnt about what is good, it is about who is playing worse and who should take more blame.

that my friend is pretty pathetic that us as fans have to be reduced to that type of discussion

This team has no vision, no leadership, no clue. They don’t know how to use anyone to get the most out of them. The cheats may cheat, but they get more out of their players than anyone else. They can take yourins…

I told you guys at Half time that we left to much shit on the field, Shit meaning points… I’d say at least 10 maybe 17. They played well in that half but this was no Texans game. Could have gotten away with not executing in the second had they done that…

I don’t even have to look to know I’m right, but there’s no shot that the Seahawks, who first of all feature a much better defense than we do, even in a down year for them, but I’d almost guarantee that the Seahawks didn’t have one game where they ran the ball less than 20 times. You can check it out, I could be wrong, but the Seahawks have a balanced attack, and a great defense.

I can’t say that Tannehill would still be missing receivers. Wilson has had stability. A great HC, a great defense, and a great run game his entire career. It’s easier to play better when everyone else around you is.

We all have different ways of seeing things… I understand why you and others think that way. All I can say is no one has a perfect team around them, and he is not in the worst position or on the worst team- there are lots of mediocre teams. What elevates a mediocre team is the play and the leadership of the qb; the former is inconsistent even in a good pocket and the latter- well, I think even you have questioned it.

But I don’t put it all on him; Suh is the other high paid player on the team, and with that pay comes the responsibility of leading. I think even in turmoil at the coaching level you should be able to identify the leaders of the players- who do the Dolphins have?

It was a fun Florida trip but the game was basically what we’ve been seeing all year. Teams pass on us like we’re not there and I just don’t see any great passion as a team. Sure there are some productive players who make nice plays etc., but I see a broken team. I guess firing the core of the coaching staff can do that to a team.

Oh and by the way, the fans are lame when it comes to cheering the team on. I felt like I was alone many times trying to get loud for the defense and it just wasn’t there. Lost my voice a bit for no reason.

This clueless out-of-towner gave more effort than the hometown crowd for sure. They really were lame. Yeah they cheer another Miami 1st down but have no idea how to get loud against the opponent’s offense. I was very disappointed.

Well if you live in Florida and you’re a Dolfan who cares where you were originally from? If you go to the game whether an out of towner or you live there, if you’re a fan cheer the team on. It’s not about your original origin. LOL

There are too many transplant fans in Miami. More than anything though, the team is just not a draw. I can’t blame fans for not wanting to shell out big bucks to watch this team. It wasn’t even just the passing game, they ran the ball well enough when they had to, and that’s something the Giants struggled with all season long. Ah, what’s the point, it’s just not good.

Just curious. Tannehill’s arrow was pointing up before this season. I think that’s undeniable. So he goes into this season with pretty much a lame duck HC, and a stubborn OC who won’t change what he’s doing, even if it’s wrong. The HC gets canned after 4 games, and the OC gets canned later. You don’t think that screws up the QB? I think it’s a direct correlation with Tannehill’s struggles. I hope I can prove you and all who don’t see it that way if/when we get a qualified HC and OC in here that will gladly work with Tannehill, and get him back in the right direction.

As I said, I understand the point of view you and others have on this. I can only say that the issues as I see them with the qb are the same ones he has had since he got here- ball placement, deep throws to open receivers, pocket awareness (which is better, but…). Some people see it, others say you can judge it with the rest of the crap around it. To that I say one of the ways you can assess someone’s effectiveness is how they respond when bullets start flying.

This does not mean he hasn’t improved on anything. More than the stuff I have been pointing out, I most want him to improve on his leadership/demeanor, as I know even great qb’s have shortcomings- Montana did not have a strong arm, Marino couldn’t run…

Mike E, there was a time in that game when the Giants fans I was with were not too confident. The turning point in the game was when we let them score right before the half to tie it 17-17. That’s exactly the type of thing our defense has done all year. That was fucking lame.

The 84 yard TD was a bad job by our safeties. That play came right at us as we were sitting in that endzone. I saw Beckham split the defense and the ball spiraling right at us. Other than that, Beckham didn’t really kill us. He made some catches and scored that TD that was reviewed, but it was that play that blew the game open that I knew we wouldn’t come back from.

We also abandoned the running game once again. Miller was killing them and it was a close game all night. 12 rushes for 89 yards and 2 TDs. But let’s not get too crazy with him. We also didn’t get him the ball out of the backfield. SMH

Tim,
I just laugh when I read all the negativity on Twitter about how bad Miami’s coaches were against the Giants this and that.
I’m sitting here thinking, Tom Coughlin’s team needed a record night out of Manning to win by 1 score.
This was a typical performance by two teams that went into the game with the same W-L record. The only difference between the Giants and the rest of the NFC East teams the Dolphins faced this year, is that the Giants had more offense than them. All those things played out. The Dolphins moved the ball better against the Giants than the rest of the NFC East teams because well, the Giants D is the worst of all those teams. The Fins D? well, predictably the Giants moved it easier than the rest of the NFC East teams. BUT, if you remember the only loss to the NFC East team Miami had (COWBOYS), the EXACT SAME THING OCCURED TO PRETTY MUCH SEAL THE LOSS -> STUPID FUCKING PENALTIES TAKING FINS OUT OF SCORING RANGE OR PUTTING THE OTHER TEAM IN SCORING RANGE.

Ken,
It was frustrating to watch the plan against the Giants O given that the night before I had watched the crafty Bill Belichick completely take away Hopkins & JJ Watt by doubling both and daring Texans to beat his team with other targets. In classic fashion, the Texans 2nd/3rd options on both O & D failed to do anything (dropped passes by Texans O & no real push by other guys surrounding Watt on D).

I knew the Giants would get their points. I thought we should have gotten ours too. What happened with Miller I still don’t understand. He was killing it, and then they just pull the plug again. Whoever signs him is getting a stud RB that has had a 4 year career, with 2 seasons worth of carries, no major injuries.

Tim: Because the ticket prices are so high now only people with money can afford to sit in the lower bowl and those people tend not to give a damn. Same thing for Miami Heat games, the lower bowl is filled with rich people who are not vocal, it’s the upper bowl where you hear all the cheering. The stadium renovation while it will look nice, has made it unaffordable for many to attend games. If you sit in the club seats it’s even worse, half the time those people are inside watching the game at the bar or lounge.

When we run the ball a lot we win; when we don’t we lose. First half we did great; 2nd half the coaches obviously were sleeping and pretty much Campbell and the whole staff screwed themselves with a horribly called 2nd half. I love Lamar Miller he has been sadly underused and I know wherever he goes he will be getting 1,000 yards plus a season.

He’s even better than that. He’s got a chance for 1,000 this year when he should be shooting for 1,500 right now. The guys (Giants fans) I was watching the game with were super impressed with him. I said don’t worry, we’ll stop using him soon and the coaches didn’t disappoint. 😦

Tim — that is sorta how it works here. The opposing fans say, “lets go to an out of game this year”…….and surprise they pick Miami. Even worse when there are a whole lot of Giants fan transplants who just drive to the game.

And I know from how the tix prices went that the Giants and Cowboys games were most in demand this year. Way it is, but then come down here and you are in South Florida as well. Imagine if you rooted for Cleveland or Detroit.

GG,
I think there’s no way Ross sells the team. He just put forth an investment in the stadium and he, through the Related Group which Ross founded, has a real footing in the local Miami economy. His butt buddy, Jorge Perez is a founder of the Related Group’s business in Florida. Both went to U of Michigan which is probably what brought them together in the first place along with other common interests.

LOL @ Butt Buddy!! I wish I knew the answer but until he cleans house we will have the same issues. Let’s say we get a new coaching staff and they think differently than the GMs and personnel we have now…oh whatever it is pointless. What is so frustrating is at times the team plays well then shits itself the rest of the way. The defense is pure ca ca, except for Suh Reshad and maybe OV (he is a bonehead and disappears in many games then wakes up for a few).

Generally yes it is these days…but the exception is guys like AP, Charles, and what Miller is becoming. A great all around back that can score from anywhere on the field.
I say resign him. Money better spent than has been spent on Suh accordingly.

Mike E,
People follow the money, that’s their only guiding force 🙂 I don’t blame them as the NFL game is a short career, especially for RB.
The Fins might get lucky in that teams aren’t really paying up big $ for RB unless your name is Chip Kelly.

Al — I wouldn’t go that far, but it certainly will be for Miller when looking for his 2nd contract. Once guys have that FU money in the bank and are looking for where they want to end their career other considerations come into play. Not like Peyton went to Denver cause they were offering the most cash.

The 84 yard TD was a bad job by our safeties. That play came right at us as we were sitting in that endzone. I saw Beckham split the defense and the ball spiraling right at us. Other than that, Beckham didn’t really kill us. He made some catches and scored that TD that was reviewed, but it was that play that blew the game open that I knew we wouldn’t come back from.
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Beckham killed us Tim. He not only caught the 84 yarder but he had a 50 yarder at the end of the 1st half that set up the score that tied it up at the end of the half. He had another crucial PI call on Grimes that help set up another TD. We had no answer for him all night.

Oh okay, I thought we were okay heading into the half and headed out to the bathroom and missed that’s how they scored so quickly. I only caught them tie it up. So he basically made 3 plays albeit big plays including the 6 yard TD getting his feet in. Live he looked out. The replay showed he was in. He’s a fantastic player.

Fins will have flexibility in the cap to do a few things so I’m not overly concerned about what will happen with Miller/OV at moment.

Here are all the Dolphins players that can save more than a $1 in cap savings in the 2016 capby being cut
Notice I make ZERO mention on CUTS; I’m just listing the HIGHEST savings value of ALL PLAYERS under contract through 2016.

Ken,
It was frustrating to watch the plan against the Giants O given that the night before I had watched the crafty Bill Belichick completely take away Hopkins & JJ Watt by doubling both and daring Texans to beat his team with other targets. In classic fashion, the Texans 2nd/3rd options on both O & D failed to do anything (dropped passes by Texans O & no real push by other guys surrounding Watt on D).
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Frustrating indeed. I don’t know if we could have taken Beckham out of the game. He is the best WR in football right now but it’s not like we even tried. My hope was that we could get pressure on Manning so he would not have time to go deep but our pass rush was anemic.

Ken,
Applying a safety to the side of Beckham is how you double him off.
One guy plays the low space, the other plays the high space.
Of course, the offensive adjustment is to put Beckham in motion and in the slot so the LB gets roasted in the scheme LOL.

Teams have been doing that and Beckham has been beating that coverage as well. I still think the best way to neutralize him is by pass rush. Don’t give Manning the time to hit him deep. We failed at that miserably. I am not saying don’t put the safety over him but success is far from guaranteed on that alone.

I was disappointed with how the DC adjusted in the 2nd half.
Once it became apparent that the Fins weren’t doing anything to disrupt Manning’s rythm, they should have just gone all out blitz without concern to a big play.

1: the 84 yard TD by OB was reminiscent of Wes Welker’s 99 yard TD in Miami 4 years ago. Reshad Jones 4 years ago tried to jump the route (instead of play ‘safety’) and wiffed on the INT attempt leaving 1 on 1 with the CB who was trailing on the play. Jones guessed wrong vs OB on MNF and it ended up going for 6 instead of maybe just a big gain.

2: Eli’s brothers performance when the Colts beat Fins in Miami on a night game 27-23 despite only having the ball for 15 minutes 😦

Ken,
That may be so (OD performing through doubles) but Eli’s reads to OB over the top seem to have come in 1 on 1s. Miami was able to get lucky only once on the Offensive PI call. The 84 yard TD was a blown assignment by the S. That play probably still would have gone for 25 yards though if played properly.

Not really debating, certainly a better strategy than what we did. My biggest gripe and much as you noted above was the absolute failure to mount any kind of pass rush. To me that is the key to disrupting the deep passing game.

Ken Cameron doesn’t blow. He’s made some nice plays for us. Stretch TE’s & RZ threats are hard to find and take a while to groom.
He stayed healthy. Keep him until you groom someone worthy unlike Sims!

Mitchell is solid. He doesn’t suck. He’s made plays, he’s eaten blockers. He’s looked down this year cause the Coyle install is bunk! …and Phillips needs several blows to remain effective in rotation…IMO.

Tim
Every time the Giants made a big play we could hear their fans on the TV not so much on our big plays. But then again it’s like that when the Jets, Patriots, Bills, Ravens are in town too.
Not many of us original Fans left down there and most the younger crowd now is from Brasil and all those other Soccer countries

Howie — don’t see much Hispanic influence in the stadium, even if they tried with J-Lo…….but that may be part of the problem with winning the local market.

Pretty sure most of the old-time fans still own their seats, but why would you ever sell them even if you never go to a game? With scalping legal and all the out-of-town fans wanting to come here they would just be giving away money.

GDP:
Cameron was a proven commodity several years and concussions ago. He is not the same player he was. Mitchell had a nice run with the Texans but he has done squat in 2 seasons for us now. Yes the coordinators blow but so does Mitchell. He is just not that good and he is not eating up blockers at all. The only guy on the DL doing that on the DL is Suh which is why Mitchell is even more disappointing because he is getting single blocked almost all the time and still makes no impact on the game.

Suh is hardly standing out either, maybe a play here & there. Mitchell has been battling a nagging injury too. But he was real solid for us last year.
My whole point on both is that you can’t be too quick to just cut those 2 when there isn’t much behind them, especially @ TE.
Yes we have Phillips @ DT, but he’s not going to be a guy that can grind a whole game….IMO. Francis was already cut, not much depth @ DT. So ya keep them both another year until you develop their replacements, hopefully thru the draft.

For sure a bunch of Hispanics come to the game……..but you have to realize how Latino heavy South Florida is. Huge areas of Miami (the only real big city down here) where Spanish is the first language. Interesting how you said “young” though. Might be the 2nd generation of Latinos (or maybe Latinas) are turning into to Phin Phans.

Ken says:
December 16, 2015 at 2:35 pm
If he is chasing plays from behind that is a problem. His job is to occupy blockers. If he is chasing he is not occupying and that means he is getting lost in space. Danger Will Robinson.
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Ken that doesn’t make sense. If he’s to be occupying blockers then it’s hard to come off & make the stop in the gap. That’s where the LB or S should be, filling the gap.

I don’t think Mitchell blows either. In Texas he was a 3-4 NT; in Miami he hasn’t been as effective as I had hoped as a 4-3 DT shooting gaps but I feel his contract is at or below market value for his age/experience. As to his performance in the Giants game, he missed the 2nd half of the Giants game with a calf injury only playing the 1st half.

I paid close attention to the Fins LB in this game; they failed as a unit. Misi got a couple nice stops but Sheppard and Jenkins struggled. I don’t get why they bother going with Jenkins when it’s obvious he’s not 100%. I’d rather roll with Vigil who’s 100% and take my chances that the volume of his plays will be better than an injured player.

I think it was Sheppard coming in on a run blitz during Jennings longest run of the game; he basically tried to squeeze through one of the DT instead of driving into the gap and he was wiped out by his blocker and the hole was wide open.

The LB unit also fell for a couple play action passes.
The LB unit really upsets me because they really have bad anticipation skills at times.
Misi is the only one that looks like he’s got the good instincts you want (e.g. when a screen is coming his way, he doesn’t try and pussy foot through the scheme, he rams through without any regard to what the blockers are going to do). The other guys? They wait for something to happen before moving from their spots instead of moving first and forcing their guys to overcommit.

Tim,
It’s frustrating to see the coaches keep Vigil on the sidelines. He made a couple bad mistakes vs the Cowboys when he got a good amount of snaps but now he’s not getting crap and the coaches keep going with Jenkins who’s struggling with an injury? pisses me off.
It took the coaches 3 weeks to finally put Bobby McCain into meaningful snaps (due to benching Taylor) after he had a very solid start in place of Grimes in Philadelphia against PHL best WR.
I feel they need to just roll with Vigil on the outside the rest of the way if Jenkins isn’t 100%.

MikeE,
My point was, Wilson plays behind a pretty bad OL, and he still makes plays when called on to do so. All that other stuff about great defense, balanced attack is just excuses. When Wilson is running for his life under heavy pressure, he makes plays. I’m just tired of all the excuses for Tannehill. Sack up and make plays when they’re there to be made. And ya know what, it’s okay to make plays even when everything around you isn’t perfect. Tannehill just doesn’t do that consistently. Eli was playing behind a makeshift OL, but he still made plays…and he didn’t need a great defense or running game to do it.

OV has had a pretty solid year, where no one else on this defense has really done anything. I’m sure it has a lot to do with it being a contract year, but he’s been a bright spot on this defense. He’s had a ton of QB hits and hurries.

Wilson very rarely is called on to do what you say he does. His defense always had his team in the game, so there’s rarely a situation where he has to put the team on his back or make plays. His team is 1000X better than the shit we have here, so the comparison is weak to me. That’s how i feel. Our coaches are a joke, our game plans are a joke, and that’s why we suck, not because Tannehill isn’t making plays.

Randy,
I don’t knock what your saying by any means; RT’s abysmal 4Q rating is nothing to hang your hat on but all I’m saying is if Rodgers or Brady were on this team, they would not be able to win more than 10 games and the Fins would never see the CONF title game let alone the SB.
Denver & Seattle both addressed the positions AROUND the QB first then added the QB last in building their current franchises.
The Fins have yet to put anything complete on D or O.

Mike E,
This year has been different for Wilson.
He’s had to carry his team a little more with the injuries to the RB and he’s performed.
Yes, it’s nice to know that the D keeps the margin of error larger than normal.

He’s not available but if he were to be, I’d give him a look too.
I just give Bevel and edge based on what concepts he employs in Seattle that may work in Miami. Bevel also has no Parcells ties :).
If you remember, Bevel was OC of the Vikings prior to his time in Seattle. He was the OC for the Vikings NFC title run (Vikes scored 470 pts that year) that ended short in NOLA in what is now known as the bounty gate game lol.

True, but Quinn was only a unit coordinator (DC) for 2 seasons (both in Seattle). I don’t know how much of scheming he was responsible for considering Pete Carroll was a successful DC himself throughout his career. Quinn never lasted more than 2 years at any job he ever held prior to Atlanta …Wouldn’t it be funny if he doesn’t make it past next year and that holds true? LOL.

Stanger,
I have a “I WOULD NEVER TRADE A PICK ABOVE ROUND 5 FOR A COACH” policy.
My plan B for Miami if no decent candidate is available is to keep Campbell around until such candidate becomes available. If Campbell proves his worth by then, he stays, if he doesn’t then the candidate in question will replace him.
There are very few guys I’d consider right now for Miami.
Bevel, Payton, Shanahan and that’s about it almost…couple other guys maybe

If his name wasn’t Shula he wouldn’t even be mentioned. The Panthers offense goes through Cam doing special things, it’s not a great offense. He’s a unique player. He can look bad, ordinary or super human. This year more the latter.

I call BS!
Cam has praised Shula for his development as a pro QB.
Shula was his QB coach, now OC. He got with Rivera and changed the offensive approach last year that suited Cam’s abilities more, plus helped improve Cam as a pocket passer as well.
The run started last year and is now what 16 straight reg season wins.

Mike Shula has put in the time and is now ready, regardless of his name…IMO.

Not like Cam has with Shula. I’ve seen numerous articles where Cam & others really credit Shula & like what he’s doing.
Rodgers may have praised Phiblin for being a nice guy & picking up his discarded gum wrapper so McCarthy would get pissed.

Tim, c’mon, Cam was running as soon as he came to the NFL. But the rest of his game was very incomplete, even a bust label was briefly tossed around.
He’s been developed nicely. Arrow points to Shula!
Does Cam still run? Hell yeah, Why would Shula eliminate that athleticism part from his game. But now Cam has more game, can read defenses much better and he credits Shula several times over the last few years.

Reminders….LOL
Remember to throw all gum wrappers into the bin.
Remember to always try to go thru your progressions if you have time.
Remember I think you can be great.
Remember I don’t call the plays, McMike does.

GDP,
FWIW, I think Mike Sherman as OC could have done the same thing in Carolina right now with that personnel.
I just don’t see how you can give credit to Mike Shula while not explaining how Cam Newton’s numbers went down from YR 1 to YR 2 as a starter and then again from YR 3 to YR 4 as a starter.
There was a big boost in YR 3 from YR 2 but that coincided with Ron Rivera hiring.
Otherwise, you see a QB who’s numbers as a passer have fluctuated YR to YR.
Ryan Tannehill has had a better plot from YR 1 to 4 than Cam as a passer.

Well we could always pick a first time HC go through the growing pains and then find out he’s not HC material. That would be 4 in a row like that.
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The same logic that goes into player selection goes into coaching selection (don’t ignore red flags).
Just because one type of guy burned you in the past doesn’t mean the next guy is going to do the same. The process in the coaching hire is what needs refinement.

Let’s analyze this since the Shula era ended:

Jimmy Johnson’s time in Miami was his 2nd HC job (first with Dallas)
Quit after 4 years but left a very good defense in place even if offense was BLAH

Dave Wannstedt’s time in Miami was his 2nd HC job (first with Chicago)
Was recommended by JJ and that seemed good enough for the owner (stupid to just go with what the outgoing coach recommended)

Nick Saban’s time in Miami was his 1st NFL HC job
He was given GM & coaching duties; made crappy draft picks then quit on the team

Cam Cameron’s time in Miami was his 1st NFL HC job
Hired fresh off a playoff choke vs NE; red flag ignored. Happened to him in Baltimore except Harbaugh didn’t wait for him to choke in the playoffs and fired him in December. BAL won the SB that year.

Tony Sparano’s time in Miami was his 1st NFL HC job
Hand picked by Parcells without any competitive process in place. FAIL

Joe Philbin’s time in Miami was his 1st NFL HC job
There was a process to hire Philbin but a key component in hiring any 1st TIME COACH is their abilities as a signal caller on DEFENSE or OFFENSE (skin in the game; decisions in real time on scheme and chance)

For every ‘experienced’ 2nd time or 3rd time coach you can point out to me, I can find you a successful 1st time coach still sitting on his first time full HC job hire.

Guys who are currently serving as INTERIM: Mike Mularkey (previously a HC); Dan Campbell (1st time). Of the current 1st time NFL coaches who had HC experience on an interim basis only -> Todd Bowles (interim after Sparano firing), Bruce Arians (9-3 as HC before allowing Pagano to coach rest of season), Jason Garrett (hired full time from interim status).

As bad as it got under Wannstedt he was a HC in CHI before us and he did keep getting the team into the playoffs his first 2 years and that was with Jay Fiedler – a tough as nails QB but not a highly skilled guy as a thrower.

Stang
I hear you on the Hispanics
We’ve got a very large Cuban population and they have been here since Castro in the 50’s
Plenty of them where my friends growing up but for some reason they just arent into Football.
One kid, Bernie was but they were more like American people and Jewish living in our Jewish neighborhood, and Henry’s dad too.
One guy did sit in front of me with his buddy when I had my seats but I really would only see 3 or 4 at every game and us long time originals have mostly moved away to places like Orlando and South Carolina

Yeah — the Latinos can choose to come to the game or not……it is there money. Still doesn’t change the mix at the stadium though, but Tim had a point that there are many more younger guys there than older one. So maybe the assimilation thing is kicking in.

i think the coach search should be based on one factor. we all no that no matter who they get is going to suck and be a failure so the search should be based on the hotness of his wife. give us something to look at.

if people are worried about fan support at the stadium, there is an old ancient chinese secret how to get fan support at home. it is a secret but i will go ahead and say it. fucking win. i know, shocking huh. but it goes with ever team and every sport, put a winner on the field and the fans will support it at home.

Although he was born in NJ my wifes little brother is a pretty big Fan. He’s been here since he was like 13 and his father doesnt watch sports at all. He is like 33-35 now.
Perhaps it was me taking him to some games when he was young and even sending him my TIX when I couldnt make it down 🙂

GD, I like Campbell and think he could do it if he can have an offseason to hire his own staff and start fresh. I just don’t think that’s gonna happen. I would not be opposed to it. If we go outside I want an experienced HC. If we go first time HC I’d continue with Campbell.

If you go to the game though, don’t be a sap. I think that’s lame so there! LOL

By the way it was a close game all night and still very little rooting from the fans. We know the Dolphins aren’t good this year but in the moment of a competitive game root the team on. If not what’s the point of going, to be annoyed?

TIM; I DO root for the Dolphins when I go to the games (ask Young Stanger if you don’t believe me). The lack of passion for the FINS is squarely the fault of Ross’s horrendous decisions. He has sapped the life blood out of this franchise. WHAT A DIFFERENCE between the intensity of the Orange Bowl and Sun-Baked Stadium, which has become a mausoleum during the reign of Ross!

YOUNG STANGER: -Thanks for the kind words earlier today. And thanks for relaying my question(s) to Mike E. –Hope he can use them. Mike is a tremendous asset to this board!
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REGARDING Miami’s next coach. One big factor that has barely been mentioned is the fact that SEVERAL BIG NAMES (Harbaugh,Fisher, perhaps others) have flat-out refused to work for Ross IF IT MEANS taking orders from some God-damned DOOFUS like Ireland, Tannenbaum or, God forbid, King Carl!! IF Ross REALLY WANTS TO GET THE BEST GUY FOR THE JOB, he should immediately jettison the “DOOFUS BRIGADE” and allow prospective candidates to choose their own GM. ROSS’s REFUSAL to get rid of the proven FAILURES ON HIS STAFF OF ADVISORS is a MAJOR IMPEDIMENT TO PROGRESS!! –IF Ross believes Sean Peyton or some other Super Bowl winning coach is going to take orders from a “DOOFUS”, well, Ross is sadly mistaken if he believes that!! AND I BELIEVE ROSS DOES BELIEVE THAT T-BAUM SHOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON FOOTBALL MATTERS!!
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ANOTHER OF ROSS’s “Better Ideas” has fallen FLAT ON ITS FACE. –The “high-priced” seats on the Dolphins’ side in the lower deck between the 30’s was 75-90% EMPTY during most of the home games this season!! THESE ARE the $1,000-$5,000 per ticket per game seats that Ross’s people were SOLD OUT for EVERY GAME!! – – As GDP might say, “I’m calling BULLSHIT on Ross on that one!! When the Dolphin players look behind their bench into the stands, THEY SEE EMPTY SEATS BETWEEN THE 30’S!!! INDEED, the Ravens’ game that YS and I attended featured no more than about 60% of all the seats occupied, NOT COUNTING THE HIGH-PRICED SEATS DOWNSTAIRS WHICH WERE MOSTLY VACANT!! I will bet anybody on this blog that A MAJORITY OF THE SEATS WILL BE VACANT AT KICKOFF OF THE COLTS’ GAME Dec. 27!!!–Meanwhile, my Brother-in-Law, who’s had tix IN HIS NAME since 1966 (year one) is sitting way upstairs one row BEHIND a man who has had seasons tix for ONLY 2 YEARS!!!!! – – ROSS IS A GODDAMNED LIAR when he says seats were assigned in the order in which you’ve had season tickets (number of years).
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IF you get the impression that I TRULY DESPISE STEVE ROSS –YOU ARE RIGHT!!– – – Ross tried, unsuccessfully, to buy the JETS when they came up for sale. But Woody Johnson outbid Ross for the Jets (Lucky for Jets’ Fans). Finally, I’d have to say it makes NO DIFFERENCE whether Ross spends most of his time in NY or in Miami. He is a horrible owner, irrespective of his place of residence. His record here proves it!
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The Dolphins will NEVER get to the Super Bowl as long as Ross owns the franchise. ANYBODY want to bet me on that?????

My love of the Fins vastly predates Ross. And it will postdate Ross, too!! –As far as horrible owners in Tampa Bay, well, I’m a “305” kind of guy. I have virtually NO interest in the YUCS or the RAYS. But I have enjoyed my time at Lightning games, perhaps partly due to my Canadian background.

and obviously just busting balls there. if you think ross is horrible then ok. but i was around for a few horrible owners in the tampa market with the bucs, rays and lightening. i cant complain about ross. he may make poor decisions but at least he is trying

I really don’t even know what Ross should do at this point. It’s not like we have no talent and nobody knows how to coach. But I’m starting to think many of you were right that we have too many chefs in the kitchen from different places assembled by Ross and that’s now how football operations work. If Tannenbaum is the football czar let him pick his people or move on and start over. I think it starts there. This is the offseason to make those choices.

I won’t have a problem with Tannenbaum and Campbell or some new HC he believes in. But there needs to be a connection and right now it’s not like that. Ireland, Philbin, Hickey and Tannenbaum were never hired together. Ireland was there when Philbin was hired and Ross made that call. That was never a good match. Then Hickey and Tannenbaum in that order but the power is reversed.

Maybe Ross did make a mistake but remember this team was bad when he inherited it and he’s only been an active owner for 5-6 years (2010-2015). He’s not responsible for the years from 2003 until 2009 when the team went downhill and never found stability. Like we all say, 2008 was an aberration.

Now’s the time for him to correct all of that though and figure out a way how to build a winner. That said it doesn’t mean that Tannenbaum doesn’t think Hickey is a good personnel man. That can work too. But the entire org was disconnected during the ride. Too many outside changes. No plan from day one and building on a vision from the top other than just saying we want to win.

This is the 7th consecutive NON-WINNING SEASON for Ross (breaking the old record of 6 which he set last season). In Robbie’s 6th year of ownership, his team went to the Super Bowl. In his 7th year the Dolphins achieved football immortality with THE PERFECT SEASON!! –DON’T EXPECT PERFECTION IN YEAR 7. But a winning season would be nice.

Gotta walk the Greyhound and call it a night in the next half hour or so. Y’all have a great evening and a better tomorrow. And remember this: we are one day closer to THE END of the Ross regime! – – YIPPEE!!!

Yes but not his team the day he bought in, then he became majority owner in 09 but Parcells was still the football czar into 2010.

I always get the feeling Ross is blamed for like 10 years of losing when he really just got started the last 5 years. He’s hired one HC in Philbin. That’s where we are in 2015. I don’t care about the past from that standpoint, it makes no sense.

My love of the Fins vastly predates Ross. And it will postdate Ross, too!! –As far as horrible owners in Tampa Bay, well, I’m a “305” kind of guy.

well i do. and contrary to what you think, ross is far from a horrible owner. i have seen horrible owners. at least ross will make changes and investments in the team to try and make him winners. so all i can say is careful what you wish for, there are far worse owners out there.

OD, about cheering for the team I was replying to FFR, not you. I was talking about the passion of the fans that night. I felt it was lame. I was standing by myself in section 302 up a ways waving my arms up in the air and yelling DEFENSE… DEFENSE… DEFENSE!!!! I got a lackluster response. No debating it, that’s what happened. The crowd was a dud on important downs. It was what it was.

let me explain a bit more the ‘foolish’ comment. those that cheer every first down or sack like it is a game winner. jumping up and down slapping hands with everything in site i dont get. it is one play, i didnt go to a game for one play i went for a win, i will be happy to slap hands after they win

That was my experience. My brother-in-law saw it. He said, dude a 3rd of the crowd are Giants fans! I guess so, there were a lot of them. The Giants were also 5-7 heading into that game – I know division still an option, but what’s going on in Miami? There’s a negative vibe in our locker room. Almost impossible to shake when you lose again. It sucks.