30 days to get through a building permit for a $12 million renovation is actually pretty efficient considering there are likely several engineering and utility disciplines and pier reviews that happen on something like this.

30 days to get through a building permit for a $12 million renovation is actually pretty efficient considering there are likely several engineering and utility disciplines and pier reviews that happen on something like this.

My apology for sidetracking the conversation with commentary on the city

We should just enjoy the new modifications and Yea, I know I should have kept my mouth shut, but......too late now I guess, my apology. Without typing a book on the subject, as there are many good folks working for the city, and sadly a few who believe a pile on their desk makes them look and feel essential to the system (job security). Been a fair amount of turnover in that office the last few years for a reason. The article says "at least 30 more days" How long have they been at the city already? I know examples where 60 to 90 days occurred on much simpler projects.

So is the idea to spread this out to avoid having to close down UD Arena for a season?

The plan,as I heard it from Neil last fall, was for the renovations to occur over three years. Each year they hoped to begin a phase as soon as the First Four concluded and complete it before the season began the following school year. This year there was a delay so the first phase will only be the infrastructure.

Don't understand the delays, God created the world in 6 days a much larger project than UD arena. On the 6th day God created Man, was pleased so he took the 7th day off for rest. On the 8th day God realized man was alone so he created woman.......and the world hasn't rested ever since........

"After months of research, reviews and planning, the University of Dayton will make an announcement Thursday regarding UD Arena and a critically important project in the history of the University, University of Dayton athletics, and its championship basketball programs."

The event, which is open to the public, will take place at 10 a.m. Thursday, May 11, at the UD Arena. Doors will open at 9:30 a.m.

Appears to be the same stuff that was shown during the survey and focus groups UD did last year. Hopefully they are far enough along in the process that they have a video to give a better visual representation of what they are planning to do so everyone has a better understanding of what the finished product will look like.

The video below is what UC made for the renovation of 5/3 and hopefully UD has something similar at this point.

As a side note, the city saying it will "take at least another 30 days" to review the prints is ridiculous. Very inefficient operation to say the least.

Having gone through the approval process just to get a change of use permit, not to actually physically change the building, 30 days is quick in goverment time. Just to change commercial use. We had to submit plans of the existing building for approval. That took well over a month. Of course the previous plans on file with the city were filed in the 1970s and a number of undocumented changes had been made over the years.
The city now has a program where you can pay extra to have your own reviewer who then tells the person at the city it's OK to rubber stamp approval.

We are investing $12.5 million in our facility, but yet we play in a conference with half the teams facilities could double as a makeshift homeless shelter. I guess I'm selfish for wanting to see us compete with stronger programs.

We are investing $12.5 million in our facility, but yet we play in a conference with half the teams facilities could double as a makeshift homeless shelter. I guess I'm selfish for wanting to see us compete with stronger programs.

Homeless shelters usually aren't allowed to have the area you sleep in smell like chrlorine like Tom Gola Gymnasium. (I refuse to call that place an Arena like Lasalle does)

LaSalle

LA SALLE
In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

With the voice of a crotchety 70 old blaring on loop over the P.A "Sit down!"

I actually heard they are installing automatic electrified gates along every aisle so that people can't walk up and down while play is going on. I would contribute directly to the installation of these.

I actually heard they are installing automatic electrified gates along every aisle so that people can't walk up and down while play is going on. I would contribute directly to the installation of these.

I wish the ushers would actually stop people from going down the stairs while the game is in play. They do this at a lot of venues, it makes the game experience a lot better.

I actually heard they are installing automatic electrified gates along every aisle so that people can't walk up and down while play is going on. I would contribute directly to the installation of these.

That would be great. Unless they would decriminalize tripping. I'm on aisle.

That would be great. Unless they would decriminalize tripping. I'm on aisle.

I swear some people come to games for exercise only.

I'm on an aisle right by the transition between the 300 and 400 section and I can't count how many kids I've had to catch from falling because of that odd step height. If I had time I'd trip their parents for not paying attention to their kids.

We are investing $12.5 million in our facility, but yet we play in a conference with half the teams facilities could double as a makeshift homeless shelter. I guess I'm selfish for wanting to see us compete with stronger programs.

$67 million into the downtown library that is almost a year behind schedule.
On the up side, capacity will probably exceed Rose Hill Gymnasium.

The ushers should absolutely stop people from re-entering until there is a timeout or stoppage.

Up until the last few years, the ushers in the corner where we used to sit did just the opposite, they would tell you you can not stand behind the seats in the 200's. Even when explaining that you had only been there for 54 seconds and at the next TV time out you would head to your seat, they would insist you move now. Luckily, I think this practice came to an end, I know a few of us in the area let management know our displeasure!

My seats are in the last row of the 200 section where people are always standing behind us watching the game or just talking
The usher don't say anything to them because they are too busy watching the game
I realize most if not all of them volunteer their time, but just do your job and make them movePosted via Mobile Device

I wish the ushers would actually stop people from going down the stairs while the game is in play. They do this at a lot of venues, it makes the game experience a lot better.

This has been a pet peeve of mine for...ever!

For the most part, these usher are member of various local Knights of Columbus chapters. They usher and K of C reaps the $$ benefit. Given that, there is only so much authority they will be given...or even want. When issues rise to a certain level they flag down a member of the security staff.

However, I sit in a section that is heavily impacted by the up/down traffic and complained to UD facilities on several occasions. It led (I'm told) to Jeff Stevens making the announcement (and having it displayed on the video board) before games. Problem is, that announcement is made about 15 mins prior to tip and most fans either haven't arrived or are getting their pre-game beverage. It would be more impactful if made closer to player introductions, IMO.
Fortunately (for our section), enough people complained that the usher that works our section does, in fact, restrict people returning to their seats to only when there is a stoppage in play. When I stopped to thank him he told me he does it because of the complaints to arena staff.

Sooooo, instead of complaining to your neighbor or UDPride, suggest contacting the arena to let them know. And don't just complain to the folks who answer the phone in the ticket office. Call Scott DeBolt (Associate AD, Director of UD Arena) or someone on his staff. Leave a message if you get v'mail...you will get a call back.

I sit in the lower the 300 level on the aisle by the restrooms. Happens quite a bit, but not as much as it used to. This past season Devin Oliver came to a game and came up in this area. He got a little mobbed, not a lot, but it caused people to be standing when and where they normally wouldn't. This caused the resident loudmouth, who yells if someone has a hair that stands on end in front of him, to yell "SIT DOWN". Don't know if he ever figured out how embarrassed he should have been.

Ticket holders are going to pay for this. It was made pretty clear in the meeting I attended.

That is an absolute necessity to keep a competitive program. Frankly, if anyone wants a bargain, go watch a D-3 team in a gymnasium. I hate to be so abrupt, but higher ticket prices is the harsh reality of maintaining an NCAA venue and a competitive D-1 team.

If I had seats in the lower corner sections that are now limited view seats because of the posts for the corner terrace suites I would be requesting a relocation immediately. Those seats are going to be a tough sell in my opinion. UD will make up for it with the money they make from the terrace suits, but it's still bad to have those good seats become basically worthless.

If I had seats in the lower corner sections that are now limited view seats because of the posts for the corner terrace suites I would be requesting a relocation immediately. Those seats are going to be a tough sell in my opinion. UD will make up for it with the money they make from the terrace suits, but it's still bad to have those good seats become basically worthless.

Do you realize that those posts currently exist at the Arena now? The only thing you can argue is that the terraces are going to be lower, so maybe it blocks some of the few rows at the top.

DDN article about First Four that has a 360 degree view from the floor which you can zoom, and at the end a picture from the concourse where you can clearly see one of those structure poles.

So to me it sounds like they are going to move the camera to the opposite side of the court just like CBS does for the NCAA games. My question is if UD is going to flip the benches to opposite side of the court too. I always like to watch games on the side of the court opposite the benches. I currently sit in 412 but if they flip the benches I'd want to the other side(403-405)

EDIT: I think I've answered my own question. After looking more closely at the info UD put out it says they are "Removing the existing crow's nest camera platform and creating a new one in the upper EAST side seats." So I think the camera is going to stay on the same side of the court as it is now. The NCAA/CBS always put the camera on the opposite side because the crow's nest would have been in the way. With it gone there is no reason to flip it to the other side and have a bunch of people wanting to flip sides like I would have.

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Reason: Answered my own question I think

Looks impressive. I haven't missed a home game in years but have to admit, I am concerned going forward if I will be able to afford going to all of the games. Anxious to see what increases I will see. Anyway, it just may be Great for UD and bad for me. Have to wait and see.Posted via Mobile Device

That is an absolute necessity to keep a competitive program. Frankly, if anyone wants a bargain, go watch a D-3 team in a gymnasium. I hate to be so abrupt, but higher ticket prices is the harsh reality of maintaining an NCAA venue and a competitive D-1 team.

You mean...like 5/3 Arena (UC) before upgrade? Or Hinkle? Or Cintas? They aren't D-3 but they don't come close to the current UD Arena. Pretty competitive programs if you ask me.

I've been to 99%+ games since the Arena opened in 1969. I really like what I see in the plans. As a side note, I had a nice chat with Dr. Spina right before he was attending his first game at the Arena (this was before he was actually President). I told him of my long association with UD and the Arena and he asked me if we needed a new Arena. I told him to experience the game atmosphere and I think you'll have your answer afterwards.

30 days to get through a building permit for a $12 million renovation is actually pretty efficient considering there are likely several engineering and utility disciplines and pier reviewsthat happen on something like this.

Thank the lord that the people at FlyerFaithful.com fixed the biggest mistake in UD's arena plans. Misspelling LOWD was completely unacceptable. I simply can't believe they used Loud in their original picture.

It is interesting that the Arena will have windows behind the 400 sections in the future. I've always thought it was intimidating to not be able to see where the 400s ended when the lights go down at gametime. You look up and it seems like the crowd just continues until it fades out of sight. It also looks like they may be considering covering up the trusses in the roof with a dropped ceiling when you look at the simulation video. I'm not sure if they did that just because it was hard to show the detail in the computer simulation, or if it is really part of the plan. The placement of the lights is totally different too. If that is true, I wonder how it will change the gametime lighting. I like how only the court is illuminated today.

Thank the lord that the people at FlyerFaithful.com fixed the biggest mistake in UD's arena plans. Misspelling LOWD was completely unacceptable. I simply can't believe they used Loud in their original picture.

Looks like every fan is a white Caucasian male. I don't see the students either. Maybe they are on spring break. I can't believe they wouldn't show for VCU which now seems to be our official biggest rival.

It is interesting that the Arena will have windows behind the 400 sections in the future. I've always thought it was intimidating to not be able to see where the 400s ended when the lights go down at gametime. You look up and it seems like the crowd just continues until it fades out of sight.

Can someone explain -- to an out-of-touch Gen X loser like myself -- what the purpose and attraction of misspelling LOUD is. If you can just dumb it down to the simplest parts I would be most appreciative because I'm just not getting the pun, joke, acronym, etc. I haven't understood it from the very beginning, but there's always the chance I missed the memo or some post-modern pop-culture reference.

What am I missing. It feels like a Monty Python joke that flew over my head. Or have I grossly over-estimated the reason.

Can someone explain -- to an out-of-touch Gen X loser like myself -- what the purpose and attraction of misspelling LOUD is. If you can just dumb it down to the simplest parts I would be most appreciative because I'm just not getting the pun, joke, acronym, etc. I haven't understood it from the very beginning, but there's always the chance I missed the memo or some post-modern pop-culture reference.

What am I missing. It feels like a Monty Python joke that flew over my head. Or have I grossly over-estimated the reason.

Can someone explain -- to an out-of-touch Gen X loser like myself -- what the purpose and attraction of misspelling LOUD is. If you can just dumb it down to the simplest parts I would be most appreciative because I'm just not getting the pun, joke, acronym, etc. I haven't understood it from the very beginning, but there's always the chance I missed the memo or some post-modern pop-culture reference.

What am I missing. It feels like a Monty Python joke that flew over my head. Or have I grossly over-estimated the reason.

It started as a way to mock our dear old friend John R, turned into an inside joke, and took off from there. Thumbs down to lowd.Posted via Mobile Device

I don't get it either, unless the "ow" is to mean so loud it hurts. But if that's the case, I prefer the "you can't spell loud without UD" argument. Misspellings on a college campus -- purposeful or not -- just look silly.

It was the frequent misspellings of Dayton Flyers as "Daytona" or "Fliers" etc., by various media outlets that led to BR and others misspelling everything on purpose. People embraced it and "Lowd" was the word that stuck.