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I'm guessing you fish in the bay? I love fishing. Am taking my son and his best friend next week on a 3 day trout fishing trip....our cabin (with both kitchen and firepit) will be right on the river.

The first fish I ever caught was a wild rainbow trout (I was 12 years old, in the Colorado Rockies). Even decades later I remember how good it tasted, cooked over our campfire, seasoned with just a little butter, salt and pepper.

Only thing that bothers me about this "sock" thing is that there is a left shoe print in blood near the shower and a left shoe print on the shower base, just below the silver frame. I also am in the minority of believing that's her left foot in the foot photo, that the left foot is actually facing the left of the picture. When I look at it, I can see the back top of a heel rim of a shoe type of impression beneath the pants. I know no one else claims to see it or claims to see Travis' back going down into the area that supposed to be her "right socked foot." Well, except Geevees. I believe we once agreed up on it.

I'd like to see the clearer picture blown up, so I can review it again.

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(Reply #2 - edits have changed to only 15 minutes after posting so I'll do another rather than quote my first reply.)

Right now I'm working on the theory that what we're seeing in the pant leg pic is his neck wound and not his back, if you look "through" the pant leg at the hem you see a dark irregular/triangular area, it looks quite a bit like his upper chest wound in the pic from the crime scene, and if you notice, if that's the back of his head, where is his ear?

If you look at it as the shelf of his jaw/neck, inside that open area (between arm and 'head') you can see something that looks very much like hair over an ear, look on the other (right) side towards his foot and you also see what appears to be wet hair, just a small bit but otherwise it would be something over his legs between his head and foot and we know he's unclothed.

The dark area everyone presumes is his head is the blur of her foot moving upwards, I can see ghost images/blur of her toes/toenails - look closely at the fold in the pant leg, it's really the pant and her foot moving up, the roundish area next to the white stripe is her big toe. I think that's what hit the camera to make it take the pic.

Jmo but I think she'd agreed to buy the car soon after he bought the used Prius. So when it was ruined, he considered it hers that she still owed him for.
I don't think if she accidently ruined it prior to an agreement between them that he would sell it to her for $6K

I don't know what kind of BMW it is or what it would be worth trashed. But we also haven't see the real agreement. The $6,000 figure comes from JA, right?

Who has given information about the agreement besides what came out of JA's mouth?
Now, Travis could really have been about to sell that car on autotrader, like he told Chris or he could have been lying so he didn't have to tell Chris about what JA did to the car. IDK. April 5, 2008 is after she was already gone. It's strange that he'd mention autotrader when the car has already been destroyed. and he doesn't want to get ripped off? Just strange to say when you know the car is ruined.

Equally strange would be her not excitedly writing about the plan to buy the car--with her no job, no money having self.

I do recall her grumbling that his BMW was a piece of crap. I believe under oath, she griped about her Infiniti being better.

So who knows what year, make and model is BMW was?

"If Jodi's lips are moving...if her pen is moving...then she lie, lie, lies!"

Yes, we agree you can see through the 'ankle' to his back, I think she's barefoot though. Here's the lightened pic from JM's book that CayleeAdvocate posted (sorry the pics are coming as attachments and not full-size in the post but you can save it and blow it up and study it).

you know what I find interesting about this picture, too? Where are the hacks to his skull? Where's the blood you'd expect to see in the back of his head? What was really going on in this picture based upon all the injuries we know he sustained?

ETA--I'm trying to see the photo another way to try to see what you are talking about with your new theory, but I can't imagine it. His arm up in the air makes it hard to see it other than how it's always been depicted. As for his right ear, it appears to be in line with that triangle of light between his bicep and his head.

Now, did you notice on the ceiling picture, Jodi's hair is in it? I never saw that in the darker pictures. It seems like the tips of one of her "pigtails" is sweeping across the top of the picture. Also, I doubt the ceiling suddenly gets black, so what is the black on the right side of the picture?

Yes, we agree you can see through the 'ankle' to his back, I think she's barefoot though. Here's the lightened pic from JM's book that CayleeAdvocate posted (sorry the pics are coming as attachments and not full-size in the post but you can save it and blow it up and study it).

A WS posted a great enlarged picture of this foot/sock/shoe. It was highlighted and arrows were drawn to show that there are shoelace 'bumbs', meaning possible tennis shoes. The blow was awesome and showed a lot of detail. Hope the poster can repost this picture...please. It was posted about 3 weeks ago...I think...but not sure under which topic! I dont think I saved it, but I will look in the morning on the laptop....I need some zzzzz's, it is 3:30am and I keep having a nightmare everytime I go back to sleep...that JM, Detective Flores, a sheriff I know, came to my house thinking I knew 'IT'....after the trial was over they came! They wanted to know what I knew....I told them only what I read here.....geez...then they got hungry for salami in our fridge and just ate the salami only.... crazy dream....will look for the shoe picture now, I do not think I saved it.

Another route question after looking at GeeVee's map, why didn't she go more directly to Utah through Flagstaff? Is it that she wanted to get out of Arizona faster, or is it that she had to dispose of stuff at the Grand Canyon??

you know what I find interesting about this picture, too? Where are the hacks to his skull? Where's the blood you'd expect to see in the back of his head? What was really going on in this picture based upon all the injuries we know he sustained?

ETA--I'm trying to see the photo another way to try to see what you are talking about with your new theory, but I can't imagine it. His arm up in the air makes it hard to see it other than how it's always been depicted. As for his right ear, it appears to be in line with that triangle of light between his bicep and his head.

Now, did you notice on the ceiling picture, Jodi's hair is in it? I never saw that in the darker pictures. It seems like the tips of one of her "pigtails" is sweeping across the top of the picture. Also, I doubt the ceiling suddenly gets black, so what is the black on the right side of the picture?

If you rotate the pic to the left, it's easier to see what I described in my theory, I've played with this idea for quite a while but when I rotated so the grout line was straight it looked more possible, then just 90* to the left and even more so, esp. the open area where I couldn't figure out what that darkness was I was seeing, if you think ear with wet hair over the tip, yeah, it sure looks like that and explains what's between his arm and foot. I also was wondering (or sorta demanding lol) 'where are his scalp injuries if this is the back of his head', no red at all, no cuts, nothing, but if you enlarge that section and look closely you can see the blur of her foot over it, making me think it's all blur from foot and pant leg.

That ceiling pic is a good one, can finally make out her hair and underside of her jaw, plus whatever is on the right, her arm or sleeve probably because like you mention, his ceiling doesn't go dark. I really wonder why JM never pointed that out.

Well, on this rainy Easter, obsessed with cars. I was reading JA journal entry from August 1-3 2007. She said her Infiniti had roadside assistance until November or 60,000--whichever came first.

This car was under 60,000 miles, and had balled tires. She said TA pointed it out and she got new front tires. I'm assuming with the tax money she got. So when she was looking at tires in March, maybe she was getting back tires so the Infiniti would tow well on the way to Yreka.

I don't know where she bought that car, but it would seem strange that she'd "give it back to the bank" in AZ. I don't know anything about losing a car to nonpayment, but it just seems strange that you'd voluntarily clean it up and get it ready--and take it yourself to surrender it. And all at the time you just "happen" to be moving. It would seem to me, but anyone who has been through it can say more, that you let the bank come and get it.

Roadside assistance sounds like it came in a warranty and with the car under 60,000, I'm guessing it had to be new when she got it. How could a car with less than 60,000 miles on it be ghetto and crappy, I wonder. I'll admit, I was very bad at taking care of my new car. I had no idea what I was doing. It only lasted 109,000 miles, BUT 16 years. anyways, it was still in great condition at 60,000. She really must have put that car through some extreme crap.

If it was "ghetto," I wonder how Travis felt about driving it. I'm guessing she was making it up so she could drive his car and have a tie with him. Maybe she even did something to the Infiniti, as "proof" that it was ghetto. I do recall him "getting rides from his peeps," so maybe he didn't really want to drive her car unless he had to? Maybe he didn't want people seeing him in her car?

What's odd is that Travis would keep letting her drive it after she slashed the tires. But, then again, he didn't 100% accept that she'd done it until later.

Last edited by wasnt_me; 03-27-2016 at 04:48 PM.

"If Jodi's lips are moving...if her pen is moving...then she lie, lie, lies!"

Aren't stripes usually on the side of pants? I have not yet seen a pair of pants with stripes on the back. I see two stripes. Thosee stripes go all the way up to the butt area or stop in the middle somewhere?

Aren't stripes usually on the side of pants? I have not yet seen a pair of pants with stripes on the back. I see two stripes. Thosee stripes go all the way up to the butt area or stop in the middle somewhere?

Only thing that bothers me about this "sock" thing is that there is a left shoe print in blood near the shower and a left shoe print on the shower base, just below the silver frame. I also am in the minority of believing that's her left foot in the foot photo, that the left foot is actually facing the left of the picture. When I look at it, I can see the back top of a heel rim of a shoe type of impression beneath the pants. I know no one else claims to see it or claims to see Travis' back going down into the area that supposed to be her "right socked foot." Well, except Geevees. I believe we once agreed up on it.

I'd like to see the clearer picture blown up, so I can review it again.

From being around shoes and socks alot, I think that image shows a shoe with a sock over it. To create a print, there could have been a mishap with the sock. Perhaps it got a hole as socks are inclined to do? JA was too cheap to buy good ones? she wore an old worn out pair and didn't think to worry the heel was ripping out? At any rate, this might explain why there's only a left print and no right. She only had a hole in the left sock, and the sole was exposed to leave a print.