1.Must not be true.
2.Is a must have. Due to how they handled the 360 in the 2nd half of its life, I'll be waiting about 3 or so years. Leeching off someone else's 720 in the meantime(like I did with the 360). It's like a trust issue. They have to win me over by wiping away my doubts in that area. If so, that's a win-win. I'll have the gaming support I want and will be able to pick up the older titles for a cheaper price.
3.I don't want to pay over $400. $450 being the max limit(applies to ps4 also).

Outside of that, I'm not concerned about anything else. OS features are a bonus to me. Graphics won't matter. I don't really want much.[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney

If these rumors are true [...] that leaves me looking forward to exclusives only with the 720. And MS has a bad reputation in this area for big budget exclusives judging how they handled the 360. They have quite a bit to prove and that's going to take years of watching their gaming direction.

Originally Posted by radgamer420

I agree. I'm definitely getting a PS4 but I may get a 720 way later in the generation if MS doesn't repeat the process that they did with the 360. But like you said that would take years of watching their gaming direction.

1.Must not be true.
2.Is a must have. Due to how they handled the 360 in the 2nd half of its life, I'll be waiting about 3 or so years. Leeching off someone else's 720 in the meantime(like I did with the 360). It's like a trust issue. They have to win me over by wiping away my doubts in that area. If so, that's a win-win. I'll have the gaming support I want and will be able to pick up the older titles for a cheaper price.
3.I don't want to pay over $400. $450 being the max limit(applies to ps4 also).

Outside of that, I'm not concerned about anything else. OS features are a bonus to me. Graphics won't matter. I don't really want much.

yea i hear you, but i don't think anyone is convinced that you will get the console regardless....lol As for those 3 areas, why wouldn't it have new ip support throughout it's life? Unless you care more about who publishes that IP.

I just have this feeling the next Xbox is gonna be slick as $#@!. Plus they have a really strong fanbase, particularly in the US, coupled with a huge marketing budget - that's instant success as far as I'm concerned, and they probably know it too. They know what they're doing, afterall, they are the same company that has managed to generate insane revenue by charging their customers to play online.

Anyway, despite all these rumours, I'm positive the console experience itself will be great - even for us "hardcore" gamers, or gamers that simply don't care for other entertainment on their console but video games.

I'm not getting thin skinned. I just think it's so silly that some people are focused on this one rumor but choose to overlook the other ones.

It is a big deal (if true) - which is why they are focused on it. If Sony were rumoured to have Move only controls then I can see why that would be the focal point; despite just being a rumour.Conversely, if the rumour wa only about MS not allowing for you to disconnect your Xbox while you were browsing the store or something like that (i.e. not that a big of a deal), then I would get your POV of why it is being focused on.Same thing with the used games thing before Sony announced - both are pretty big deal, and quite frankly, negative things (at this point in most gamer's gaming capabilities - we're not all part of the Gaming Master Races that have infallible internet connections/everything going perfect all the time ).

Originally Posted by Nitey

I just have this feeling the next Xbox is gonna be slick as $#@!. Plus they have a really strong fanbase, particularly in the US, coupled with a huge marketing budget - that's instant success as far as I'm concerned, and they probably know it too. They know what they're doing, afterall, they are the same company that has managed to generate insane revenue by charging their customers to play online. Anyway, despite all these rumours, I'm positive the console experience itself will be great - even for us "hardcore" gamers, or gamers that simply don't care for other entertainment on their console but video games.

If MS can go back to being gamer-centric with the layout of the XBox, then they'd be back in it in my books.Fanbase is strong, definitely - so strong that online-required isn't a big deal!

It is a big deal (if true) - which is why they are focused on it. If Sony were rumoured to have Move only controls then I can see why that would be the focal point; despite just being a rumour.Conversely, if the rumour wa only about MS not allowing for you to disconnect your Xbox while you were browsing the store or something like that (i.e. not that a big of a deal), then I would get your POV of why it is being focused on.Same thing with the used games thing before Sony announced - both are pretty big deal, and quite frankly, negative things (at this point in most gamer's gaming capabilities - we're not all part of the Gaming Master Races that have infallible internet connections/everything going perfect all the time ).If MS can go back to being gamer-centric with the layout of the XBox, then they'd be back in it in my books.Fanbase is strong, definitely - so strong that online-required isn't a big deal!

Whatever happens people are either gonna buy it or just go elsewhere. I prefer the consoles to be more different than alike. MS has built a huge fanbase and I don't think they will jeopardize that in any way. I think after this reveal on the 21st the xbox will be the talk of the industry and it won't have anything to do with online required.

I've tried to warn people that this was all in play, but no one seems to want to listen.. Or worse, there are people who have the "My internet is always on anyway" mentality.. and it will be the cancer of gaming.

my ps3 and 360 are always connected, so I don't see a problem with it.

I'm sure those who whinge on about it being a bad thing will vote with there wallets and buy the system that fits there needs.
I'm also sure that the data MS have will inform them on what way to go.

It is a big deal (if true) - If MS can go back to being gamer-centric with the layout of the XBox, then they'd be back in it in my books.

Xbox has always been gamer- centric to me. They haven't published a huge amount of titles over the years but it's never been short on providing games to play.

Fanbase is strong, definitely - so strong that online-required isn't a big deal!

It's not a big deal. I hope it isn't true but it still won't stop me from buying the console. I'm being honest here. I think that it's better than some acting like they are actually interested when they have no intentions on getting it in the first place.

Whatever happens people are either gonna buy it or just go elsewhere. I prefer the consoles to be more different than alike. MS has built a huge fanbase and I don't think they will jeopardize that in any way. I think after this reveal on the 21st the xbox will be the talk of the industry and it won't have anything to do with online required.

I agree and disagree.

I agree because there's no point owning both (especially if you're not a fan of Halo/Gears/Forza - all are the only ones that I can think of that can't be played on PC as well) if there's no true difference - and seeing as 3rd party exclusives are more or less dead, then yeah.

The only reason why I 'disagree' is that how much more different could they be? Kinect/Move? Interchangeable. UI - XMB or Dahsboard? Again, fairly inconsequential.

The only real differences (to me) are exclusives. Which is the reason to own both.

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Xbox has always been gamer- centric to me. They haven't published a huge amount of titles over the years but it's never been short on providing games to play.

It's not a big deal. I hope it isn't true but it still won't stop me from buying the console. I'm being honest here. I think that it's better than some acting like they are actually interested when they have no intentions on getting it in the first place.

I'm not specifically talking about the games at all - save for the last year and a bit maybe. I'm more referring to the layout and how they present (i.e. want you to use) the console.

Just open up the dashboard and count the games content advertised and presented - what they focus on, what is the first thing you see immediately; and how you can browse your games; compared to everything else.

BUt Like i've alluded to elsewhere; this is very much addressable and fixable.

If anything the next Xbox will probably (or rather, should be) customisable in the way you want it to 'greet' you and what is shown first and foremost. (like the windows phone ads to do with tiles etc)

So if you're a media guy buying a next Xbox but also want to play a game here and there; then arrange accordingly. The same if you were a gamer etc.

It's not a big deal. I hope it isn't true but it still won't stopme from buying the console. I'm being honest here. I think that it's better than some acting like they are actually interested when they have no intentions on getting it in the first place.

See thats the thing is this rumor is true the people who do not care it will not be affected by it and cant see the harm because they can not think past themselves. This is a bad thing if you admit to it or not. Sure it may not affect YOU(this is general not directed at you in particular:but thats what most seems to care about how affect themselves), but what of the people not online? You claim to be a "ranger" and if so you would know over seas internet is a luxuary when stationed in a war zone, and in some parts. Many military personal have an xbox 360 and this rumor if true will affect them the most. Not to mention not everyone is online, and some have crappy connections that often drop. I understand how people can see this as "not a big deal" because it doesn't affect them, but the reality is it is a big deal if rumors are true...IF

See thats the thing is this rumor is true the people who do not care it will not be affected by it and cant see the harm because they can not think past themselves. This is a bad thing if you admit to it or not. Sure it may not affect YOU(this is general not directed at you in particular:but thats what most seems to care about how affect themselves), but what of the people not online? You claim to be a "ranger" and if so you would know over seas internet is a luxuary when stationed in a war zone, and in some parts. Many military personal have an xbox 360 and this rumor if true will affect them the most. Not to mention not everyone is online, and some have crappy connections that often drop. I understand how people can see this as "not a big deal" because it doesn't affect them, but the reality is it is a big deal if rumors are true...IF

Agreed. (Need to spread rep).

If it were Sony - I already know what you guys would be saying./have said about it if the rumours were the other way around. It would be the biggest deal since forever.

I'm not specifically talking about the games at all - save for the last year and a bit maybe. I'm more referring to the layout and how they present (i.e. want you to use) the console.

Just open up the dashboard and count the games content advertised and presented - what they focus on, what is the first thing you see immediately; and how you can browse your games; compared to everything else.

BUt Like i've alluded to elsewhere; this is very much addressable and fixable.

If anything the next Xbox will probably (or rather, should be) customisable in the way you want it to 'greet' you and what is shown first and foremost. (like the windows phone ads to do with tiles etc)

So if you're a media guy buying a next Xbox but also want to play a game here and there; then arrange accordingly. The same if you were a gamer etc.

In thinking about it, that actually sounds cool.

The layout is pretty awesome to me. Just navigate to whatever you want to use. Movies, games, apps, and everything else. If you don't want the dashboard then just change the settings to play a disc game on start up. It's really simple. The advertising isn't as bad either. At least not for me. It's always in the corner and you barley even know its there until you move the cursor over it. Xbox720's should be even better.

Originally Posted by Yuuichi

See thats the thing is this rumor is true the people who do not care it will not be affected by it and cant see the harm because they can not think past themselves. This is a bad thing if you admit to it or not. Sure it may not affect YOU(this is general not directed at you in particular:but thats what most seems to care about how affect themselves), but what of the people not online? You claim to be a "ranger" and if so you would know over seas internet is a luxuary when stationed in a war zone, and in some parts. Many military personal have an xbox 360 and this rumor if true will affect them the most. Not to mention not everyone is online, and some have crappy connections that often drop. I understand how people can see this as "not a big deal" because it doesn't affect them, but the reality is it is a big deal if rumors are true...IF

Well I can't speak for all military but video games in a war zone isn't really priority for me. IMO if a person gets to play lots of games then they aren't doing much of their job....lol And for the record, i would never "claim" to be something I'm not or haven't earned.

I still don't think this online required thing will happen but if it does then either people will embrace it or go the other way. I'm going with it's not gonna happen until i hear MS say otherwise.

There's plenty of other quotes I can dig up that you reacted to in a similar manner from something I said. My point, I've been saying this for months now when it comes to rumors about the 720.

Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney

If these rumors are true [...] that leaves me looking forward to exclusives only with the 720. And MS has a bad reputation in this area for big budget exclusives judging how they handled the 360. They have quite a bit to prove and that's going to take years of watching their gaming direction.

Originally Posted by radgamer420

I agree. I'm definitely getting a PS4 but I may get a 720 way later in the generation if MS doesn't repeat the process that they did with the 360. But like you said that would take years of watching their gaming direction.

It's not a big deal. I hope it isn't true but it still won't stop me from buying the console. I'm being honest here. I think that it's better than some acting like they are actually interested when they have no intentions on getting it in the first place.

Lets be honest. The next Xbox could $800, always online, and kinect mandatory and you'd still buy it.

On-topic - I'll buy whatever system my friends buy. If they decide to get the next Xbox i'll get it.

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