PLANS to move to fortnightly bin collections will be offset by black wheelie bins.

In a letter to the Hereford Times, councillor Harry Bramer, cabinet member for contracts and assets, confirms the authority is looking at alternate weekly collection because it will "reduce costs and increase the rate of recycling across the county".

But he says the council is also looking to supply "the majority" of households with free black wheelie bins for general waste.

The Hereford Times reported earlier this month residents' concerns that fortnightly bin collections could result in rubbish dumping and related vermin infestation.

John Newman, who lives on Hereford’s Newton Farm estate, said wealthy councillors proposing the move do not realise what the change will mean in the “real world”.

Under the scheme, green recycling bins would be emptied one week and the black ones emptied the following week.

Coun Bramer said this is a "widely used approach to waste and recycling collection which has been used successfully in neighbouring counties for many years".

He added: "Once we are confident that we have examined the costs and the benefits fully, we will be able to make a final decision and confirm our plans."

If the decision is made to go ahead, the new scheme will start in November.

Comments

Hereford person
12:30pm Sat 15 Mar 14

I thought it was government policy to stop fortnightly collections, how will this increase the rate of recycling, how much will the bins cost, will fly tipping increase. We have a council tax increase with less and less services. Most of the cabinet will retire or will be voted out at the next election so with their obsession in cutting we have lost good services that we have gained over the years.
They dish out large wages to senior officers in what is a small authority then endlessly hire consultants at a cost of many thousands of pounds etc. etc.

I thought it was government policy to stop fortnightly collections, how will this increase the rate of recycling, how much will the bins cost, will fly tipping increase. We have a council tax increase with less and less services. Most of the cabinet will retire or will be voted out at the next election so with their obsession in cutting we have lost good services that we have gained over the years.
They dish out large wages to senior officers in what is a small authority then endlessly hire consultants at a cost of many thousands of pounds etc. etc.Hereford person

I thought it was government policy to stop fortnightly collections, how will this increase the rate of recycling, how much will the bins cost, will fly tipping increase. We have a council tax increase with less and less services. Most of the cabinet will retire or will be voted out at the next election so with their obsession in cutting we have lost good services that we have gained over the years.
They dish out large wages to senior officers in what is a small authority then endlessly hire consultants at a cost of many thousands of pounds etc. etc.

Score: 27

silentbull2
6:13pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Before long their be asking us to use another bin then another then another then another :-/

Before long their be asking us to use another bin then another then another then another :-/silentbull2

Before long their be asking us to use another bin then another then another then another :-/

Score: 1

ad47uk
10:50am Sun 16 Mar 14

So what about people like myself who have steps? I won't have a green bin, because of the steps, not that I would use it anyway.

I hope people with these black bins still use black bags otherwise they will be washing them out all the time.

How long before they start weighing our rubbish to make sure we do not chuck too much out?

So what about people like myself who have steps? I won't have a green bin, because of the steps, not that I would use it anyway.
I hope people with these black bins still use black bags otherwise they will be washing them out all the time.
How long before they start weighing our rubbish to make sure we do not chuck too much out?ad47uk

So what about people like myself who have steps? I won't have a green bin, because of the steps, not that I would use it anyway.

I hope people with these black bins still use black bags otherwise they will be washing them out all the time.

How long before they start weighing our rubbish to make sure we do not chuck too much out?

Score: -1

TwitTwoo
5:33pm Sun 16 Mar 14

There's good & bad points for any system but the biggest obstacle is 'change'. A lot of people simply don't like change - heaven forbid trailing something . . . remember when the traffic system changed in Hereford years back? When it was deemed to be a big fat failure - they changed it back! Personally I've been waiting for the black wheelie bin since they brought in the green ones - the council could no longer justify their stance of not having the suitable vehicles but it's still taken 4 or 5 yrs. I believe it will reduce the amount of split bags (animals/birds) that no-one cleans up. I sympathise with those who like ad47uk who lives up some steps but surely there's somewhere at the bottom of the steps where a wheelie bin can be kept? What do you do with your black bags now? Do you keep them upstairs with you all week or do you walk down the steps and store them in a bin? There's generally an option to suite most/all but of course, you've still got to get over that swear word - change!

There's good & bad points for any system but the biggest obstacle is 'change'. A lot of people simply don't like change - heaven forbid trailing something . . . remember when the traffic system changed in Hereford years back? When it was deemed to be a big fat failure - they changed it back! Personally I've been waiting for the black wheelie bin since they brought in the green ones - the council could no longer justify their stance of not having the suitable vehicles but it's still taken 4 or 5 yrs. I believe it will reduce the amount of split bags (animals/birds) that no-one cleans up. I sympathise with those who like ad47uk who lives up some steps but surely there's somewhere at the bottom of the steps where a wheelie bin can be kept? What do you do with your black bags now? Do you keep them upstairs with you all week or do you walk down the steps and store them in a bin? There's generally an option to suite most/all but of course, you've still got to get over that swear word - change!TwitTwoo

There's good & bad points for any system but the biggest obstacle is 'change'. A lot of people simply don't like change - heaven forbid trailing something . . . remember when the traffic system changed in Hereford years back? When it was deemed to be a big fat failure - they changed it back! Personally I've been waiting for the black wheelie bin since they brought in the green ones - the council could no longer justify their stance of not having the suitable vehicles but it's still taken 4 or 5 yrs. I believe it will reduce the amount of split bags (animals/birds) that no-one cleans up. I sympathise with those who like ad47uk who lives up some steps but surely there's somewhere at the bottom of the steps where a wheelie bin can be kept? What do you do with your black bags now? Do you keep them upstairs with you all week or do you walk down the steps and store them in a bin? There's generally an option to suite most/all but of course, you've still got to get over that swear word - change!

Score: 4

bobby47
5:40pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Well I'll never take delivery of the black bin. Never! Im a black plastic bin bag man. Allways have been and allways will be. Im noted around these parts for my slavish desire to keep the black plastic bin bag and all my neighbours know of my stance on this issue.
You come knocking on doors around here asking for my whereabouts and they'll tell you, ' that'll be him up there. Odd sort. Refuses to associate hus rubbish with anything on wheels'.
Imagine somebody so against using a black plastic wheeled bin! Now multiply it by a factor of thousands and you'll come half way to understanding why I hate the black wheeled bin. I'll never accept it on my property. Never!
If they come up here wheeling that bloody thing and knock on my door saying, 'here she is. Ain't she lovely', Im going to say, 'clear off. Go bother someone else. Im a black plastic bin bag man. Allways have been and allways will be. Get off me bloody property and wheel that bloody thing with you'.
Oh they don't scare me. None of them. They can send Bill bloody Norman up my drive, their top legal man and I'll tell him what Im telling you all, 'clear off Bill. You might have done very well on The Wirral and down in Torbay, but this property is mine and I'll be the bloody one who says what gets my rubbish and what doesn't get my rubbish.' And whatsmore, I'll tell him, 'I'm a black plastic bin bag man. Allways have been and allways will be. If you come back again I'll be wanting my share of habeus corpus'. That'll frighten him off. He won't be so keen to return knowing that I know my bloody rights and I can use the Latin to get me where I want to be.
There! And anyone who says they'll have the wheeled bin is someone who ain't a black plastic bin bag man like me.

Well I'll never take delivery of the black bin. Never! Im a black plastic bin bag man. Allways have been and allways will be. Im noted around these parts for my slavish desire to keep the black plastic bin bag and all my neighbours know of my stance on this issue.
You come knocking on doors around here asking for my whereabouts and they'll tell you, ' that'll be him up there. Odd sort. Refuses to associate hus rubbish with anything on wheels'.
Imagine somebody so against using a black plastic wheeled bin! Now multiply it by a factor of thousands and you'll come half way to understanding why I hate the black wheeled bin. I'll never accept it on my property. Never!
If they come up here wheeling that bloody thing and knock on my door saying, 'here she is. Ain't she lovely', Im going to say, 'clear off. Go bother someone else. Im a black plastic bin bag man. Allways have been and allways will be. Get off me bloody property and wheel that bloody thing with you'.
Oh they don't scare me. None of them. They can send Bill bloody Norman up my drive, their top legal man and I'll tell him what Im telling you all, 'clear off Bill. You might have done very well on The Wirral and down in Torbay, but this property is mine and I'll be the bloody one who says what gets my rubbish and what doesn't get my rubbish.' And whatsmore, I'll tell him, 'I'm a black plastic bin bag man. Allways have been and allways will be. If you come back again I'll be wanting my share of habeus corpus'. That'll frighten him off. He won't be so keen to return knowing that I know my bloody rights and I can use the Latin to get me where I want to be.
There! And anyone who says they'll have the wheeled bin is someone who ain't a black plastic bin bag man like me.bobby47

Well I'll never take delivery of the black bin. Never! Im a black plastic bin bag man. Allways have been and allways will be. Im noted around these parts for my slavish desire to keep the black plastic bin bag and all my neighbours know of my stance on this issue.
You come knocking on doors around here asking for my whereabouts and they'll tell you, ' that'll be him up there. Odd sort. Refuses to associate hus rubbish with anything on wheels'.
Imagine somebody so against using a black plastic wheeled bin! Now multiply it by a factor of thousands and you'll come half way to understanding why I hate the black wheeled bin. I'll never accept it on my property. Never!
If they come up here wheeling that bloody thing and knock on my door saying, 'here she is. Ain't she lovely', Im going to say, 'clear off. Go bother someone else. Im a black plastic bin bag man. Allways have been and allways will be. Get off me bloody property and wheel that bloody thing with you'.
Oh they don't scare me. None of them. They can send Bill bloody Norman up my drive, their top legal man and I'll tell him what Im telling you all, 'clear off Bill. You might have done very well on The Wirral and down in Torbay, but this property is mine and I'll be the bloody one who says what gets my rubbish and what doesn't get my rubbish.' And whatsmore, I'll tell him, 'I'm a black plastic bin bag man. Allways have been and allways will be. If you come back again I'll be wanting my share of habeus corpus'. That'll frighten him off. He won't be so keen to return knowing that I know my bloody rights and I can use the Latin to get me where I want to be.
There! And anyone who says they'll have the wheeled bin is someone who ain't a black plastic bin bag man like me.

Score: -9

ad47uk
7:07pm Sun 16 Mar 14

TwitTwoo wrote…

There's good & bad points for any system but the biggest obstacle is 'change'. A lot of people simply don't like change - heaven forbid trailing something . . . remember when the traffic system changed in Hereford years back? When it was deemed to be a big fat failure - they changed it back! Personally I've been waiting for the black wheelie bin since they brought in the green ones - the council could no longer justify their stance of not having the suitable vehicles but it's still taken 4 or 5 yrs. I believe it will reduce the amount of split bags (animals/birds) that no-one cleans up. I sympathise with those who like ad47uk who lives up some steps but surely there's somewhere at the bottom of the steps where a wheelie bin can be kept? What do you do with your black bags now? Do you keep them upstairs with you all week or do you walk down the steps and store them in a bin? There's generally an option to suite most/all but of course, you've still got to get over that swear word - change!

The steps goes down to the house not up, so it would mean dragging the bin up the steps. I use one black bag a week normally if that. Granted last week and this week I will use more.
There is no way I am having a bin stuck at the top of my driveway. What I do now is take the bag up to the top of the steps and onto the road the morning my rubbish is to be collected, a lot easier to take a couple of bags up the steps than a wheeled bin.

I know both my next door neighbours got steps and take their green bin out, but that was their choice, they asked for the bin

I wonder how people who have a load of black bags a week going to manage, I see people down this street with 4 black bags or more outside their home.

This idea will not save money, if people are chucking out 4 black bags a week, then they will be chucking out 8 black bags a fortnight, so they will still be using the same amount of fuel.

[quote][p][bold]TwitTwoo[/bold] wrote:
There's good & bad points for any system but the biggest obstacle is 'change'. A lot of people simply don't like change - heaven forbid trailing something . . . remember when the traffic system changed in Hereford years back? When it was deemed to be a big fat failure - they changed it back! Personally I've been waiting for the black wheelie bin since they brought in the green ones - the council could no longer justify their stance of not having the suitable vehicles but it's still taken 4 or 5 yrs. I believe it will reduce the amount of split bags (animals/birds) that no-one cleans up. I sympathise with those who like ad47uk who lives up some steps but surely there's somewhere at the bottom of the steps where a wheelie bin can be kept? What do you do with your black bags now? Do you keep them upstairs with you all week or do you walk down the steps and store them in a bin? There's generally an option to suite most/all but of course, you've still got to get over that swear word - change![/p][/quote]The steps goes down to the house not up, so it would mean dragging the bin up the steps. I use one black bag a week normally if that. Granted last week and this week I will use more.
There is no way I am having a bin stuck at the top of my driveway. What I do now is take the bag up to the top of the steps and onto the road the morning my rubbish is to be collected, a lot easier to take a couple of bags up the steps than a wheeled bin.
I know both my next door neighbours got steps and take their green bin out, but that was their choice, they asked for the bin
I wonder how people who have a load of black bags a week going to manage, I see people down this street with 4 black bags or more outside their home.
This idea will not save money, if people are chucking out 4 black bags a week, then they will be chucking out 8 black bags a fortnight, so they will still be using the same amount of fuel.ad47uk

TwitTwoo wrote…

There's good & bad points for any system but the biggest obstacle is 'change'. A lot of people simply don't like change - heaven forbid trailing something . . . remember when the traffic system changed in Hereford years back? When it was deemed to be a big fat failure - they changed it back! Personally I've been waiting for the black wheelie bin since they brought in the green ones - the council could no longer justify their stance of not having the suitable vehicles but it's still taken 4 or 5 yrs. I believe it will reduce the amount of split bags (animals/birds) that no-one cleans up. I sympathise with those who like ad47uk who lives up some steps but surely there's somewhere at the bottom of the steps where a wheelie bin can be kept? What do you do with your black bags now? Do you keep them upstairs with you all week or do you walk down the steps and store them in a bin? There's generally an option to suite most/all but of course, you've still got to get over that swear word - change!

The steps goes down to the house not up, so it would mean dragging the bin up the steps. I use one black bag a week normally if that. Granted last week and this week I will use more.
There is no way I am having a bin stuck at the top of my driveway. What I do now is take the bag up to the top of the steps and onto the road the morning my rubbish is to be collected, a lot easier to take a couple of bags up the steps than a wheeled bin.

I know both my next door neighbours got steps and take their green bin out, but that was their choice, they asked for the bin

I wonder how people who have a load of black bags a week going to manage, I see people down this street with 4 black bags or more outside their home.

This idea will not save money, if people are chucking out 4 black bags a week, then they will be chucking out 8 black bags a fortnight, so they will still be using the same amount of fuel.

Score: -2

silentbull2
7:13pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Not everyone can find the space for the green wheelie bin and the council is going to give out another one? ??
What about the poor beggars that live in estates like 'St James' parts of 'hunderton' 'newton farm' and many other estates around Herefordshire (its not just the city )
Take a drive around 'St James' with there narrow streets no front garden/yard and in some cases no back yard at all!!!
Plastic bins are going to completely ruin the look of most of Hereford and even block paths so people will have to step out on to the road to get around them, so that brings in the risk to old people and mothers!!!

Not everyone can find the space for the green wheelie bin and the council is going to give out another one? ??
What about the poor beggars that live in estates like 'St James' parts of 'hunderton' 'newton farm' and many other estates around Herefordshire (its not just the city )
Take a drive around 'St James' with there narrow streets no front garden/yard and in some cases no back yard at all!!!
Plastic bins are going to completely ruin the look of most of Hereford and even block paths so people will have to step out on to the road to get around them, so that brings in the risk to old people and mothers!!!silentbull2

Not everyone can find the space for the green wheelie bin and the council is going to give out another one? ??
What about the poor beggars that live in estates like 'St James' parts of 'hunderton' 'newton farm' and many other estates around Herefordshire (its not just the city )
Take a drive around 'St James' with there narrow streets no front garden/yard and in some cases no back yard at all!!!
Plastic bins are going to completely ruin the look of most of Hereford and even block paths so people will have to step out on to the road to get around them, so that brings in the risk to old people and mothers!!!

Score: 7

ARogers
7:16pm Sun 16 Mar 14

Where I am, we have weekly bins - the black garbage bins are picked up every week, the green recycling bins are every 2 weeks and a "green waste" bin for garden & yard waste the opposite 2 weeks. We used to have recycling every week, that REALLY encouraged recycling. Now that it is every 2 weeks, I can't fit everything in so it goes in the garbage. I never have yard waste, that's for people who cut their grass and rose bushes and can't burn - I'm paying for them.

I can't imagine only having garbage picked up once a fortnight. I would start sneaking stuff in the bottom of the recycling just to get rid of it. This is what will happen with your little scheme, just you wait and see!

Where I am, we have weekly bins - the black garbage bins are picked up every week, the green recycling bins are every 2 weeks and a "green waste" bin for garden & yard waste the opposite 2 weeks. We used to have recycling every week, that REALLY encouraged recycling. Now that it is every 2 weeks, I can't fit everything in so it goes in the garbage. I never have yard waste, that's for people who cut their grass and rose bushes and can't burn - I'm paying for them.
I can't imagine only having garbage picked up once a fortnight. I would start sneaking stuff in the bottom of the recycling just to get rid of it. This is what will happen with your little scheme, just you wait and see!ARogers

Where I am, we have weekly bins - the black garbage bins are picked up every week, the green recycling bins are every 2 weeks and a "green waste" bin for garden & yard waste the opposite 2 weeks. We used to have recycling every week, that REALLY encouraged recycling. Now that it is every 2 weeks, I can't fit everything in so it goes in the garbage. I never have yard waste, that's for people who cut their grass and rose bushes and can't burn - I'm paying for them.

I can't imagine only having garbage picked up once a fortnight. I would start sneaking stuff in the bottom of the recycling just to get rid of it. This is what will happen with your little scheme, just you wait and see!

Score: 4

allhandstothedeck
8:44pm Sun 16 Mar 14

If a refuse lorry is full after collecting one weeks worth of refuse from half a dozen streets , how many streets worth of refuse will it take to fill it when its collecting two weeks worth of refuse ? Surely they will become full sooner. This will mean extra trips to the land fill site which will mean extra diesel needed for the lorries.
Who will be coughing up the cash for the higher diesel bill ?
I think I can guess !

If a refuse lorry is full after collecting one weeks worth of refuse from half a dozen streets , how many streets worth of refuse will it take to fill it when its collecting two weeks worth of refuse ? Surely they will become full sooner. This will mean extra trips to the land fill site which will mean extra diesel needed for the lorries.
Who will be coughing up the cash for the higher diesel bill ?
I think I can guess !allhandstothedeck

If a refuse lorry is full after collecting one weeks worth of refuse from half a dozen streets , how many streets worth of refuse will it take to fill it when its collecting two weeks worth of refuse ? Surely they will become full sooner. This will mean extra trips to the land fill site which will mean extra diesel needed for the lorries.
Who will be coughing up the cash for the higher diesel bill ?
I think I can guess !

Score: 2

Hereford person
5:23pm Mon 17 Mar 14

The truck that does the street collection does not go to land fill they travel to Rotherwas and tipped then the rubbish is compressed into large containers.

The truck that does the street collection does not go to land fill they travel to Rotherwas and tipped then the rubbish is compressed into large containers.Hereford person

The truck that does the street collection does not go to land fill they travel to Rotherwas and tipped then the rubbish is compressed into large containers.

Score: 2

bobby47
2:52pm Tue 18 Mar 14

I see Im hurtling downward. Again! Bloody hell! That's the problem being a black plastic bin bag man, you come up against folk who ain't black plastic bin bag folk.
Well do your worst! I've been down to minus rotten thirty nine and, whilst its bloody cold, colder than I'd like, it doesn't bother me. Never has and never will and I'll be damned if I suddenly change my views to please people who've no time for the black plastic bin bag

I see Im hurtling downward. Again! Bloody hell! That's the problem being a black plastic bin bag man, you come up against folk who ain't black plastic bin bag folk.
Well do your worst! I've been down to minus rotten thirty nine and, whilst its bloody cold, colder than I'd like, it doesn't bother me. Never has and never will and I'll be damned if I suddenly change my views to please people who've no time for the black plastic bin bagbobby47

I see Im hurtling downward. Again! Bloody hell! That's the problem being a black plastic bin bag man, you come up against folk who ain't black plastic bin bag folk.
Well do your worst! I've been down to minus rotten thirty nine and, whilst its bloody cold, colder than I'd like, it doesn't bother me. Never has and never will and I'll be damned if I suddenly change my views to please people who've no time for the black plastic bin bag

Score: 0

allhandstothedeck
3:12pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Hereford person wrote…

The truck that does the street collection does not go to land fill they travel to Rotherwas and tipped then the rubbish is compressed into large containers.

Its not where the truck ends up with its load of refuse, its the fact that it will fill up sooner with the fortnightly collection, thus having to make more journeys to empty the flipping thing than it would if it were doing weekly collections.

[quote][p][bold]Hereford person[/bold] wrote:
The truck that does the street collection does not go to land fill they travel to Rotherwas and tipped then the rubbish is compressed into large containers.[/p][/quote]Its not where the truck ends up with its load of refuse, its the fact that it will fill up sooner with the fortnightly collection, thus having to make more journeys to empty the flipping thing than it would if it were doing weekly collections.allhandstothedeck

Hereford person wrote…

The truck that does the street collection does not go to land fill they travel to Rotherwas and tipped then the rubbish is compressed into large containers.

Its not where the truck ends up with its load of refuse, its the fact that it will fill up sooner with the fortnightly collection, thus having to make more journeys to empty the flipping thing than it would if it were doing weekly collections.

Score: 1

ad47uk
10:57pm Tue 18 Mar 14

allhandstothedeck wrote…

Hereford person wrote…

The truck that does the street collection does not go to land fill they travel to Rotherwas and tipped then the rubbish is compressed into large containers.

Its not where the truck ends up with its load of refuse, its the fact that it will fill up sooner with the fortnightly collection, thus having to make more journeys to empty the flipping thing than it would if it were doing weekly collections.

Yep and with the smaller lorries they have to use in some places it will be worse.
Oh well, up to them, they will still put the council tax up and any money they do save will be wasted elsewhere.

[quote][p][bold]allhandstothedeck[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Hereford person[/bold] wrote:
The truck that does the street collection does not go to land fill they travel to Rotherwas and tipped then the rubbish is compressed into large containers.[/p][/quote]Its not where the truck ends up with its load of refuse, its the fact that it will fill up sooner with the fortnightly collection, thus having to make more journeys to empty the flipping thing than it would if it were doing weekly collections.[/p][/quote]Yep and with the smaller lorries they have to use in some places it will be worse.
Oh well, up to them, they will still put the council tax up and any money they do save will be wasted elsewhere.ad47uk

allhandstothedeck wrote…

Hereford person wrote…

The truck that does the street collection does not go to land fill they travel to Rotherwas and tipped then the rubbish is compressed into large containers.

Its not where the truck ends up with its load of refuse, its the fact that it will fill up sooner with the fortnightly collection, thus having to make more journeys to empty the flipping thing than it would if it were doing weekly collections.

Yep and with the smaller lorries they have to use in some places it will be worse.
Oh well, up to them, they will still put the council tax up and any money they do save will be wasted elsewhere.

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