Southern Nationalism Is Growing Up

September 4th

Gregory Hood, American Renaissance, September 4, 2013

Two years ago, I concluded that Southern nationalists were still trapped in the rhetoric and mindset of Beltway conservatism. However, Southern nationalism must not be ignored by any serious white advocate. The South is the one region of the country where there is a real cultural identity and a self-conscious white constituency motivated to fight in defense of white interests and eventual political independence.

The challenge is making the transition from an implicitly white movement based around abstract ideas to explicit white advocacy grounded in defending the interests of a specific people. This transition is usually where American movements fall short.

The Tea Party, which provided a great deal of hope that white people were finally “waking up,” is a spent force. Some of the Tea Party’s supposed “heroes,” such as Senator Marco Rubio, are now essentially anti-white activists pushing open borders. To paraphrase what James Burnham said about “right wing” organizations, any group that is not formed explicitly in defense of white interests eventually becomes “anti-white.” It’s worth noting that this passivity has done the movement no favors: Jesse Jackson recently argued that the Tea Party was the “revival of the Confederacy.”

Even among actual neo-Confederates, there has long been a tendency to seek to justify the Lost Cause by appealing to anti-racism and multiculturalism. This mostly takes the form of historical revisionism, especially about the vast numbers of blacks who supposedly rallied to the Stars and Bars to fight off the Yankee invader. Such claims are not only false, butserve to limit Southern nationalism to a historical debate.

In contrast, the League of the South, an organization named and modeled after the Italian “Lega Nord,” has made real steps in redefining Southern nationalism in recent months. One psychologically important decision was the adaption of a “Southern nationalist flag” with a black St. Andrews cross on a plain white background. The white represents European heritage. Amazingly, this actually upset a number of members who thought it was “disrespectful” of the Old Confederacy. However, this is a necessary step in rebranding Southern nationalism as a contemporary phenomenon in response to recent events, not just an exercise in historical nostalgia.

More importantly, the League of the South is now hosting street demonstrations against what it calls the “demographic displacement of the Southern people.” Nationalism presupposes the existence of a nation, and Southern nationalism is finally taking on the hallmarks of a liberation movement for a people that already exists. Southern nationalism is now an ethnonationalist movement, not a universal philosophical tendency. This new direction seems to date from the League’s most recent conference, which featured speakers talking about the dispossession of the Boers.

The results are initially positive. At a recent demonstration in Uvalda, GA, the League of the South demonstrated against Mayor Paul Bridges, a nominal Republican “conservative” who distinguished himself by working with the Southern Poverty Law Center to displace his constituents through mass immigration. Though Mr. Bridges couches his rhetoric in terms of Christian moral obligations, his real motivation is securing low wage workers for local corporations.

La Raza awarded Mayor Bridges for his anti-white activism.

Ideologically, identifying Mayor Bridges as a target was an important step for the League of the South because it distinguishes them from typical “Republicans” who identify conservatism with securing cheap labor. Rather than defending a destructive economic system, the League is defending Southerners as a people. This also seems to have won some real local support, as the Uvalda police chief joined the demonstration, even after the Southern Poverty Law Center tried its usual smear and intimidation tactics.

The next target for the League is Murfreesboro, TN, where local residents are organizing against the construction of a “mega-mosque” in a city that once served as shorthand for traditional Americana. Here also, conservatives have been all but useless. They are quite willing to bomb Muslims populations overseas but seem indifferent to the transformation of American cities into Muslim colonies like Dearborn, Michigan.

The League has also made explicit statements about defending the “Anglo-Celtic” core of the South. In an article significantly entitled “In Defense of Our Blood,” League president Michael Hill frames the contemporary struggle as a renewal of the traditional behavior of “Northern Europeans,” especially the militaristic Scots-Irish so influential in America’s westward expansion.

As even the Southern Poverty Law Center reluctantly concedes, the League avoids “white supremacist” language. The defense of the Southern people, defined as the founding stock of the American South, is a more subtle concept than defending the white race generally. However, whatever divisions between the two ideological communities, Southern nationalism is simply a local variant of white nationalism.

Just as the identitarians of Europe prioritize the defense of their own group without abandoning the larger European struggle, Southern nationalists dodge many of the pitfalls of white nationalism without surrendering on racial issues. Race is a necessary element of ethnonationalism, but it is not always sufficient. The defense of a local group and a traditional culture grounds the struggle. It makes the political movement comprehensible to ordinary people, it allows activists to frame white Southerners as victims of the powerful elite, and it prevents the kind of ideological flights of fancy that lead to infighting and permanent political marginalization.

Has Southern nationalism “arrived?” Sadly, the answer is still no. There is no mass following, Southern symbols are still being displaced, and despite the more youthful look of contemporary Southern patriotism, it is still marginalized.

That said, there is at least the potential for growth and the possibility of victory, something that was absent even a few short years ago. Southern nationalism could still be strangled in its cradle. However, if it survives, it could be the beginning of the first European style “identitarian” movement on American soil. It’s about time.

OlderWoman

I love that cross. And St. Andrew is the patron Saint of the Presbyterian Church in America.
It doesn’t get much better than that.

Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

Oh yeah…. I wonder if they will accept white realists who aren’t Christians or believers? That big X also means “NO.” My preferred version would actually be a white X on a black background.

haroldcrews

I was at the Conference earlier this summer in Alabama and at the Ulvada/Vidalia demonstrations. I know for a fact that there was a pagan there and everyone got along fine.

I’m considering joining regardless. The thing about ideology and religion and that garbage is that if one participates one influences the process. They sure have their priorities right – build consensus, awareness first… Also look pretty savvy. Only noticed one grammatic error/typo on the website’s beliefs page.

The defined vocabulary and tone is a bit colorful, but it is the South after all.

Religion is a part of nationalism, but so is our secular religion based on the constitution and over two centuries of Jeffersonism…Jeffersonianism…Jeffersonian democracy…

I also like the emphasis on home schooling. The abortion thing? Yeah, need more White kids, but that’s something they should leave to parents raising their kids well lest we wish to ever be feeding non-white bastards. Whites – don’t have sex like blacks. Blacks – take care of your own bastards and leave us alone.

Romulus

Don’t have sex with BLACKS!!!!!

NeanderthalDNA

That was assumed, lol! But yes, what real Southern White would want their daughter to have some Bantu’s rape child?

I’m for “free” (publicly funded) tubal ligations and vasectomies for chronic welfare abusers. Until this dream comes true there’s no way we can “ban abortion”. Insane.

Romulus

Oh! I gotcha now. Lol! When I visit my relatives in Dixie, I see mudslide couples more frequently these days. Not in Appalachia as much as the cities,however. ESP. Atlanta.

NeanderthalDNA

I avoid Apelanta like the plague, though the bedroom communities are nice. Charlotte is a quieter place for such a decent sized metro area.

Romulus

I was visiting friends there last July With a buddy of mine. We took the gals to a concert just north of there. Didn’t see too many shines. It was a different story in Matthews SC at the mall though! I saw haji’s,dots, Asians, mulattoes, mudslide couples,muslims. It was a little depressing. Of course, the local good old boys informed me that ten minutes outside of any of the South’s cities, it’s still Dixie. That assuaged my depression some.

NeanderthalDNA

St. Matthews? Oh yeah, between Orangeburg with the black SC State and three military bases, that is possibly the blackest, most multi-culti area of the state.

I avoid malls too. Eventually they degenerate into blacktopias after a few good years while the blacks trash the last once decent mall then move on.

William Krapek

We have a beautiful and historic mall here in Dallas – Northpark Center. They built it in 1965, and doubled its size only about five years ago. Internationally recognized stores. Internationally recognized art displays. But even that place is going downhill.

NeanderthalDNA

Yeah, around here it seems to be a cyclical thing. New mall, cool stuff, eventually the dark ones discover it, a few years of decline and hassle, then…

New ritzy mall opens and merchants flee to it, process begins all over.

Perhaps mall design should go for boring and staid…pipe in classical music – that keeps the darkies from loitering long enough to loot…

Bill

No, that won’t work. What actually happens is the libtards soon set up a bus route to take the darkies to the new mall. If you build a mall, DEMAND that no bus route go to it. That’s the only way to keep the darkies away. And for goodness sakes, NEVER merge with a bigger city and NEVER let the bigger city coerce or cajole a small suburban town that “spread” has made it necessary to merge. That’s the other tactic the libtards use. Thank GOD we killed the fast rail project the libtards wanted to bring blacks in to the capital from Chicago and Milwaukee. We’ve got enough problems in even “white” Wisconsin.

Brian

You’re right, but this ‘solution’ pisses me off too. It would be nice to have good subways going everywhere, like a civilized country. But we have to give that up to establish a ‘quarantine zone’. ‘NAMs: Why We Can’t Have Nice Things’.

http://www.dixienet.org/ Rebel Bill

That’s the truth though. I remember how nice Lenox Square Mall used to be before they built the MARTA up to it.

Brian

The CCT didn’t help Cumberland Mall either.

http://www.occidentalenclave.org/ Occidental Enclave Forum

You’re not joking- I hadn’t seen that place in years and I was in shock when it looked like a feed the children commercial + electricity. It used to be nice only a few years ago!

http://www.occidentalenclave.org/ Occidental Enclave Forum

Yeah, but you’ll note how Phipps Plaza, right across the street, is as posh as anything in any other city. There’s one very specific exclusion the developers made to that property to realize this miracle…

Brian

The outdoor mall near me had a lot of grief when it opened from pimpmobile hoopties cruising around, and TNB, some rapes/robberies. They had all these outdoor ground-embedded loudspeakers, and started cranking the Sinatra, loudly. TNB dropped way off ever since. Somebody in administration was thinking this through.

mobilebay

Sorry to hear that. We lived in that area when the mall was built. It was an exceptional piece of architecture and an exciting place to shop.

William Krapek

I still have some hope. They pack the police in like crazy during the Holidays. But last time I was there… Blacks were definitely in the majority. In fact outside of them the mall was sadly barren. And someone at work also complained about that problem with me.

Every time someone visits Dallas, I make sure we have at least one breakfast at Café Brazil, and that we spend at least one afternoon at Northpark Center.

You’ll be happy to know that the ducks and turtles in front of Neiman Marcus are still alive and well.

(God I love that mall.)

mobilebay

Thanks for letting me know. Those were truly good days, weren’t they?

Sick of it

Yeah sadly all of our cities are becoming multicultural like that. When I was growing up, my home town had never hosted Hispanics, muslims, East Indians, etc. These days, there are WAAAAY too many Hispanics and a smidgeon of the other as well. But wth we randomly have an East Indian governor.

NeanderthalDNA

Yeah, in the old days such non-blacks had it good, and so what, eh? A LITTLE diversity goes a long way. Our state has a similarly E. Indian gubernator…funny. Sikh, married to white guy…

I had sex with her in college. Not really, lol – it’s a local politcal joke. Politics can get ugly down here and there’s nothing like claiming to have slept with the governor in terms of the old smear-ola. Though I do think she had some fun in her youth…

She is an attractive woman. Treacherous as the sea, but not unattractive.

Romulus

Scroll down a bit and read the comment from Owen with the Welsh flag avatar. He’s either a troll, fishing for people against what he is or thinks that either southerners should embrace him and his ilk, or he’ll try and out the LOS as a hate group, if it isn’t labeled as such already.

Sick of it

Gay atheists tend in a liberal direction…like 99% of the time. I had a professor like that who was pushing pederasty like it was an awesome new discovery or something…

Romulus

There are topics that invoke my ire to such a degree as to shut down rational thought and intellect. Rainbow people is such a topic for me. There are others in the world ( whom I don’t particularly care for) who are ultra conservative that take the correct position regarding this unnatural behavior. IMO.

stewball

Your time will come.

Brian

ATL here. Across the street, just had a ghetto renter and her brood who left when their house burned down (faulty wiring). Now there’s a new house there, and I hoped it would be YT moving in– that’s the general trend now– but it turns out to be a black dude and a coalburner. Sheesh.

Romulus

That sickens me to my core. You might be reading about her demise soon.

NeanderthalDNA

Careful. Let not a “Mel out” get you in trouble with the thought po po.

Although my heart warms at the suggestion I admit.

Romulus

Huh!? Lol Oh no no, not I !! Im no where near ATL. The Bantu boy will probably fix her real good. We know how those relationships usually end, ESP among the lower classes. Hahaha!

Brian

Yeah, well if she cries for help, I’m going to be deaf that day. Once you go black, we don’t want you back. Shame…beautiful redhead too.

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Atlanta, though, has very many transplants from outside the south. More than any other southern city.

Romulus

Legacy of sherman and company.

Brian

Heh, that was the only ‘city planning’ we ever got. We could use a little dose of Sherman to clean up some of the sprawl now.

Romulus

Sadly, your probably right!

Romulus

Tragically, yes. I met a couple of Jersey goombahs in NC last summer trying to put out their I-tie vibe. Revolting display of Yankee arrogance and idiocy. The pair seem to have stepped right out of an episode of Jersey shore.
For all of the truly assimilated Italians, you have my best.

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

Southern whites are generally pro-life, but they almost universally want the rape exception. That’s not a hard mystery to solve.

NeanderthalDNA

Yep. I get it. Honestly I find abortion as just birth control morally greasy, but have problems limiting it without a sane welfare system.

But if Whites abandon and ignore their less fortunate brethren they should consider gibing it up and just hiring Mexicans for muscle – like the Repugnant party.

sbuffalonative

The problem with any minority is that at some point, they may decide to push their agenda which can be antithetical to the majority interest.

As long as they support and respect the goals and interests of the majority, there isn’t a problem.
Unfortunately, we know what happens when any minority flexes their muscles.

NeanderthalDNA

Need warm bodies. The mission statement is rather ideologically exclusive, therefore either just doomed or fated to grow no larger than the Libertarian party.

Again, though, these guys are definitely barking up the right tree. It was a bit heavy on the Christian thing for me, and some economic/ideological points to which one must ascribe in order to not get kicked out even if you donate to it.

Regardless, looks good otherwise.

sbuffalonative

I agree. The more the merrier.

If they respect the core priciples of the founders, that’s great. It’s always a minority that ruins it for everyone.

NeanderthalDNA

Yeah, I mean…I’d like it a little lighter on some of the ideology, but…the movement has promise. Whoever starts a movement they wish to grow had better be prepared to let it grow…

Growth in ideological impetus would be inevitable if the numbers increased. I hate ideologies. Love to study them, hate them when too assiduously adhered to.

Romulus

The word pagan translated from the original Latin literally means “country dweller” not witch, heathen, satanist or blasphemer. Paganism is simply being in touch with nature and the known physics of the natural world. The deification of nature has the same parallel in Christian dogma. God, Jesus, and holy ghost. Same but different. Angels, seraphim,demons, sprites,pixies… All have common attributes.

NeanderthalDNA

Certain forms of Christianity seem to weaken the race, however. Especially those that love life too much, including life which is hostile to Christianity and White Christians…

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show them respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm young children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

With an exception or two, much better advice than turning the other cheek…but then they start talking about wanting to have pleasure domes with robot slaves and stuff like that and then it’s time to shut down chat and go to bed.

I must reiterate. Paganism is NOT SATANISM. That meme was enforced quite cruelly by the holy Roman? Empire. During the black death,it was a way for the church to control and convert the barbarians. The word satan has nothing to do with the devil. It comes from the Arabic word shaitan. Which literally means the advocate. As it applies to the Christians ,it’s incarnation was ” the enemies of the Christian church” So few remember how and by whom christianity came to Europe. With that in mind, it doesn’t follow that it should be eliminated as a belief system. There is no infrastructure for Asatru or Wicca,Druidism, and Norse mythology.
Im not saying that those who wish to try to revive the ancient beliefs be discouraged,but rather, efforts should be concentrated on one that will unify the people.

NeanderthalDNA

Sure. I remember living in Costa Rica. Their constitution said CR is a Catholic country…with full guarantees of religious freedom. About the only religion I have serious issues with is Islam.

stewball

Romulus won’t agree with you there. He should have been born in Nazi Germany.

Sonya610

Just realized they have chapter meetings in my county. The folks in my county are nice and polite so that is reason enough for me to join. I am neither Southern by birth nor Christian but I don’t see that being an issue.

I will join.

Manaphy

In my opinion, if you are a fateful, dedicated, and passionate white Nationalist, then your religious views shouldn’t matter (unless you are devoutly Jewish, because then your interests aren’t ours). I believe that at this point in time, whites around the world should be unified by race, not by religion.

bigone4u

Formerly Known, I have a slightly different take than you, although I gave you an up arrow for challenging the flag. The flag our of cause should be the outcome of careful study and a general consensus of our people. I believe the X has occult significance, which would be negative for us, at least those of us who believe in Satan. Satanists wear black for a reason. I would not be so quick to embrace a flag that may have negative vibes. Besides, the blood of our people has run red due to black liberation. We need red in our flag to symbolize that sacrifice of our blood.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

The SN flag is just the Alabama state flag with black stripes instead of red stripes.

Romulus

That helps me. Thank you. I still prefer the battle flag, however. I was thoroughly put out when they made SC take it down from their capital building.

Brian

The stunt they pulled in GA to get rid of it from the state flag was noxious. Ironic though that the flag we have now is very close to one of the national Confederate flags.

Brian

At this point I might be willing to cut a deal with Old Scratch, if he was willing and able to get rid of the troublesome Vibrancy among us.

NeanderthalDNA

Old Scratch does seem to be more effective in this wicked old world, lol…

Romulus

Lol! Funny !

Owen

I was also wondering about how welcome non Christians would feel. I am an atheist, and gay, but also a realist. I should think that they would want to cast as wide a net as possible to gain as much support as they can.

Romulus

If I wasn’t certain that the mod would delete my comment, I’d tell you exactly what real southerners think of you.

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

You answered your own question. You’re a gay atheist, but you think of yourself as white first, and that’s why you’re comfortable in this movement (I presume). Casting nets won’t do any good because they’ll be catching people who think of themselves as primarily gay first and/or atheist first and/or whatever and by no means think of themselves as white; no way they would ever be that “racist.”

Romulus

It would be a mistake to invite that particular element into the fold. Sheep in wolfs clothing. They have done irreparable harm to this country at a national level and have no business flocking amongst us. They already have the deviant movements. In no way shape or form should the LOS emulate the EDL’s kaleidoscope message. It would only be a survival tech. For the queens, if whites become the minority very soon. Just like the tribe, they will beg entrance and switch allegiance when Allah and BRA takeover America (?)

NeanderthalDNA

Do you believe they are all like that?

Romulus

Which ones?

NeanderthalDNA

LOL – was editing answer as you typed the question…

I mean…say a gay just wanted to get a “civil union” or something, that’s pretty much it? I just know some gay couples (I’m in the restaurant business) who…don’t really care for the liblefty thing. Worried about their White kids…sick of welfare parasites…proud of White (Southern) heritage. Work, obey laws…kinda DRIVEN into the liblefty camp despite similarity of view with the other side in almost every other area. Don’t want to get all “gay and in your face” at ALL. Very private people.

And the Christian thing…sure, defend culture, and I am a (heretical) Christian, but…don’t want a theocracy. I thought Whites had moved beyond that.

Brian

I know a few gays in Atlanta who are pretty conservative and pro-white, even quasi- good ol’ boys. Trucks, guns, fishing, etc. Everyone deserves one quirk. Mine is atheism… what was it Reagan said? Someone is your 80% friend, not your 20% enemy…

NeanderthalDNA

Yeah…I think we should be careful regarding excluding folks. Prefer a bare bones form of ideology that can change as circumstances dictate.

Regardless of the specific advocacy organization the ideological bent must be as palatable as possible to a wide range of beliefs, specifically to the a-political type and the moderate type.

I think there are many possible converts to race realism out there who get turned off by the choices of groups available. The League is the most palatable I’ve seen but still represents some attitudes that will alienate moderates, non fundamentalists (there are other types of Christians even), non-libertarians, etc.

Until someone starts something that focuses more on White advocacy than sliming their pet a-racial political/economic notions into the mix I don’t see much hope beyond the margins of rabbit hole spelunking.

Brian

Agree. I don’t care so much if we have Randian libertopia or Scandinavian socialism, as long as it’s done by and for Euro stock. At this point I can deal with a bit of theocracy coming along for the ride if that’s what it takes. The main thing is decolonization…not to be replaced.

NeanderthalDNA

Exactly. A reasonably intelligent people should do well regardless of political choice, unless we’re talking about some sort of North Korea situation.

Yeah, I could bite my lip and go along with some religiosity myself, until I’m expected to believe the world was created 6000 years ago. Many casual sociopaths do need candyland and the boogyman to behave, I get it. Just as long as it’s approached with some Jeffersonian pragmatism and we don’t end up aping the world caliphate types. At that point they win by forcing us to regress to their level.

Spartacus

Say whatever it is you need to say, just get as many on-board as possible. Learn from someone who did a better job than any of us :

“I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.”

Adolf Hitler

NeanderthalDNA

YES. In many ways “democracy” is naught more than an elaborate, smoke-and-mirrors, costly form of totalitarianism. A hypocritical facade covering up a brutal reality. Look at my country, eh?

This is why I worry about too much particularism. We need feet on the ground, warm bodies, numbers. At a time when our numbers are dwindling many insist on whittling the potential base of recruits ever smaller. There is a certain inertia in numbers, but that momentum can never be achieved without a critical mass…

Hitler was a political genius, no doubt. Military ignoramus, but political genius.

Spartacus

Bah ! Amren deleted my post. I understand not liking Hitler, but even a quote(and a very good one too)…

NeanderthalDNA

Ha ha. You ooze in through the cracks like water.

He WAS a political genius.

Spartacus

Yes he was. And we should learn from him.

NeanderthalDNA

He really messed it up militarily though. Power IS like heroin.

But yeah, until the movement can appeal to the “man on the street”…what’s the point?

Spartacus

You don’t have to “appeal” to the man on the street. Make your own all-White communities, and he’ll come to you. Use White flight to your advantage .

NeanderthalDNA

If the communities are too small or radicalized it could backfire, make it look like scary Nazis or something that fits the MSM scripted reality.

The national socialist and fascist movements were popular movements palatable to large segments of the populace.

By the way, some approaches that might work in Romania might not work here and vice versa for many reasons. Each area must find it’s way however it can.

Spartacus

But it WOULD work in your case. This wouldn’t work in Romania, because we don’t need it. Non-whites are still very few, they’re heavily segregated residentially, and tons of them are flocking to western and southern Europe . We have other problems, but this isn’t one of them.

But this would work in America . Think about all the Whites who are too poor to move out of majority non-white cities or neighborhoods. You buy a large chunk of land, then tell them they’re welcome there, so long as they’re White willing to live of the land, and accept to live by your rules.

Such communities could then interact by the Celtic method, where work together when threatened by an outside foe .

Spartacus

Look, this is a story about a 12-year old White girl who was raped by two blacks, and the police haven’t arrested them, EVEN IF THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE !!! Get on it, start protesting, try to contact the family and convert them, this is your chance !

Yeah, ultimately all I care about is preservation of the race. If the guiding principles of the organization are understood, in classic Southern pragmatism, to be guidelines and not imperatives…sure.

I personally think ANY movement that tries to recreate some kind of “stepford wives” turn-back-the-clock scenario is ultimately doomed.

Fine old Southern tradition of the “queer uncle” who everybody knows is gay but politely refrains from insulting.

Regardless, regional solidarity, states rights, fine, but too much turn back the clock mentality won’t fly.

sbuffalonative

That depends.
The core principles of the founding members are Christianity and, though not explicitly stated, heterosexual majority.
Are you planning on making your homosexuality or atheism issues to challenge or change the core principles of the group?
Most people wouldn’t care. If you’re serious about the race issue, why do you feel you have to bring it up?
That’s the problem with minorities; blacks, atheists, pagans, etc. Too often they want to change things.
Unless you’re planning some militant action to re-frame the group to suit you, it’s not an issue.

Romulus

It should be. A drop becomes a trickle, a trickle becomes a flood. Once you set a precedent, you cannot take it back. Homosexuals started their modern crusade in 94 with NY St. patty’s parade and in only two decades have helped turn America into a sexual sewer.
Please don’t be naive and believe that the gays presence is something that should be embraced. I generally enjoy your commentary, but your way off base on this one.

sbuffalonative

I’m not embracing it. I’m questioning why he felt the need to ask such questions.
He says he’s concerned about the race issue. It that’s true, he shouldn’t even be interested in discussing such personal issues.
I agree a drop becomes a precedent which is why I want to know if he has plans on making his personal life an issue. If so, that’s a huge red flag.

Romulus

They always do, my friend. Going all the way back to Egypt. My apologies for thinking you were a supporter.

sbuffalonative

Let me reiterate. I’m not supporting this. I’m asking these questions to try to determine if this poster is serious or a provocateur. My questions and statements were meant to determine the motive for bringing up homosexuality and atheism. My comments were meant to be skeptical. My whole point was, ‘if race is important to you, why do you have a compelling need to tell Christians you’re a gay atheist?’ I was trying to uncover a motive.

If that didn’t come through I’m sorry. Don’t give in to provocateurs sowing division. If you do, you just gave him what he wanted.

NeanderthalDNA

28 comments, 48 votes. He is either agitprop or casual, rare poster. The main point is to engage civilly and with respect to all posters.

Owen

I know that you have no way of knowing this but I assure you that I am not a provocateur.

My only motive is to share my opinion that the realism movement is shooting its self in the foot if it limits members to straight Christian folks.

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

Two truisms that both sides of this mini-debate that has sprung up in this thread should realize:

1. There is not and there should not be a sign on our door reading, “no gays no non-Christians allowed.”

2. Any white American ethnonationalist movement, Southern or otherwise, with the possible exception of isolated pockets in northeast and west coast conurbations, will be heavily straight and Christian.

jane johnson

What do you make of the Christian churches importing third worlders through their missionary and global outreach programs? I’m what you’d call a lapsed Catholic for lack of a better description, believe that Christianity has contributed much toward creating a civil society, but have a major problem with this business of importing more parasites.

NeanderthalDNA

I was so afraid we would get a “black pope”. Jeez…

Brian

Yes, this message that ‘the world is your neighbor’ has gone too far. Fine, be my neighbor, but you don’t get to move into my house!

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Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.”
Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.”
“Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”
Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

NeanderthalDNA

I didn’t think you were. No aspersions to anyone but I found it a tad vicious to assume you were. Because you’re gay, lol…

Man, I’ve never got so many down votes. Some folk really must not like the gays. Big deal – down votes still count as votes, ignoring being the most brutal form of disapproval.

I agree. I really have known some gay/lesbian folks who…really should be in the movement in some form based on their beliefs and lifestyles (lifestyles referring to everything other than sex).

You what is really needed? A pro-White movement that leaves all other ideologies as vague as possible, that could attract a critical mass of the vast a-political, moderate, and even left-moderate race realist. This website is as close as it gets, it seems.

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

Even if ethnonationalism was only about ethnonationalism and didn’t discuss anything else, it would still be the case that the people in it are mostly grown heterosexual men and women who have children. It makes logical and semantic sense, “nationalism” comes from the Latin word meaning “to be born.”

Brian

Exactly. I get a bit nervous when the fundamentalism gets ramped up. I’m a southern conservative democrat, like Sen. Jim Webb. I don’t really want to head off to Galt’s Gulch, I’m not against gays, I’m not against safety net programs. I’m just FOR the white man, in all his forms wherever he is found.

NeanderthalDNA

Maybe he/she/it IS interested in the race thing, IS gay, HAS read the League website, wants to know if he/she/it will be welcome or not?

Freey’all

Why do you pro-Whites obsess over your – and others’ – personal lives? Maybe you should simply live and let live. The problem with diversity is that they have no intention of allowing us to do just that as Whites. There is a lot of discussion on here of invading women’s personal space with anti-choice rhetoric and overt promoting of heterosexuality.

If we need to promote straightness then we have much bigger problems than just diversity’s imperialism.

Whites should practice what they preach. Live and let live. When the gays can’t do that, then fight them. But it seems delusional to me for posters to pretend that they aren’t trying to get into other Whites’ personal lives way too often. I for one am totally sick of reading hatred of and lies about lesbians. People go out of their way to opine about what lesbians are like, the moderators allow it, and it really is inaccurate and invasive.

Butt out of other Whites’ personal lives; demand freedom, privacy and self-determination for Whites in general from a government that’s hell bent on enslaving us all.

adplatt126

We don’t have a “sexuality” problem. We have a reproduction problem and an rewards/punishments problem. I frankly don’t even care that much if people want to engage in some sex tourism, want to grab a fruit from a tree in the jungle once or twice just to see how it tastes, want to get off in weird ways, and so on. That crap has been going on since the beginning of time. The modern gay movement is the corollary of loosening attitudes on sex. It is not the cause. Gay people have always been around, screwing one another, harming no one. They do it openly now because they aren’t terrorized by society any longer, since the government now protects them, as it should. The problems are the following: we have a culture, especially amongst young white women, that idolizes gang attitudes and black male dominance. Due to power asymmetries and media propaganda, they don’t ever consider the drawbacks of reproducing with blacks, namely the loss of circa ten IQ points for their offspring in one generation. But the issue is a system that doesn’t internalize the cost of this behavior. A rational society would throw them out of it and let them live amongst their kind (hybrids or darks) or would reduce such behavior by natural selection or by eugenics-based limits on fertility for the underclass. There is no cost in other words borne by them for their behavior. That has nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, almost none of the issues the country faces has anything to do with homosexuality. Homo bashing is seriously the last refuge of a scoundrel. Homosexuals are in my humble opinion, on average more cultured than your average heterosexual, more learned, and frankly are far more likely to be victimized by outsiders than vice versa, which is exactly the opposite of those underrepresented minority supposed “victims” that do the lion’s share of the brutalizing. Civil rights being given to gays is a decent, long overdue development. Gays harm essentially no one. They are more or less an insular community. Their problems are essentially their own. There will always be a few rare intermediaries between heterosexuals and homosexuals, vectors for disease transmission, but most of such types (which are again, exceedingly rare) like gay males, are no less moral than most straight males, who are themselves sex addicts, or highly sexually charged, and whose sexual ethics are derived primarily from women rejecting them, rather than originating within their own moral sinew. And the risks and problems associated with and emanating from the community are quite low to outsiders. There are plenty of STDs in the straight community as well, believe me, and there always have been. People like to screw. You can’t change that. But you can change the costs, people’s perspectives, etc. People who bash on gays in contemporary America do so because gays haven’t had the backing of the Marxist media for quite as long, don’t have as many laws protecting them, or historically as many interest groups representing them, as blacks and hispanics. In other words, people do it because they have real grievances, but can’t blame the real culprits, so they blame men who through no fault of their own like to put their penises in other men, because they were born odd and flawed. In other words, utter cowards who take their marching orders from the PC police and the perfectly ignorant Christian right. Agnostic race nonegalitarian here. Gays are not the problem. They are not even part of the problem. They are not a problem at all in fact. They are a naturally occurring genetic defect; a side-effect probably of the very natural and selective push for hypersexuality. Nothing more. They’re not corrupting society. They aren’t taking over. They will always be a small segment of people who just want to live their lives according to their own screwed-up biology, and don’t want to be harassed, criminalized, or persecuted for being who they are.

Romulus

Who are you trying to convince? A sexual deviant is a sexual deviant and should be ostracized accordingly. Disease and corruption have been with mankind since the beginning as well. Should we embrace that? Homos are disgusting displays of the worst carnal behaviors.
What America should do is is outlaw the sewer industry standards that is the engine of Jollywood and the porn industry! The basis for all human social organization and complex organic biological evolution, as it has been for at least 3 billion years for 99% of all species that have ever existed, is the MALE/FEMALE PAIRBOND.
I don’t care what your argument is. If Americas Christians can’t fix the problem,then the worlds ULTRA conservative muslims will , as their numbers explode.
America is prime for instability at nation scale just like Europe and will have the same clash of leftist free for all/filth culture and brutal conservatism that is enriching the mother continent.

adplatt126

I don’t believe the Federal Government should outlaw the porn industry. Porn stars are consenting adults making their own decisions. Their behavior may be lamentable but it is acceptable in a free society. What could be done is a raising of the consent age to say, 23 or 24, so as to keep young, impressionable women out of the industry, so as to minimize the proportion of those who get trapped in its vicious web of drugs, filth, and dependency, and who don’t truly understand the magnitude of the decision they are making when they enter the industry given their naivete.
If the male/female pairbond is what is necessary for human survival then why do you need to ostracize and/or brutalize gay people? They are no threat after all to your survival, and can do nothing to change the constancy of this law you’re claiming is true. Gays are a genetic dead-end. All we can do as civilized people is accept them as they are and treat them humanely. Our moral and constitutional obligation is to offer them equal rights and equal protections under the law. Nothing is gained or lost by mistreating them. All it renders a person by doing so is cruel. You’ve made the one life they have miserable because you fear difference. That’s patently immoral behavior. They are no threat to you or your law other than the threat you imagine by their supposedly vile, disgustingly immoral and imperfect behavior. If the male/female pairbond is the one working system, there is no need to shun anyone who doesn’t follow it. They will be shunned by natural selection and the absoluteness of your maxim. It requires us to do nothing for our part. Although I subtly confess that I do reject it. The Muslims and Mormons and many other societies have actually had great success with the male/female/female/female pair bond as well. In fact, they are two groups still expanding, unlike most of those who don’t practice polygamy in modern society.
This next argument is beyond absurd. Let me restate it in some other ways. “We need to blow up some innocent women and children in public squares.” “No, that’s a sick, terrible idea.” “Well, if we don’t do it, the Muslims will”. “I cheated on my wife last year five times, and I even found out before we were divorced she cheated on me after finding out I had been cheating on her. Let’s stone her. She committed adultery.” “Are you sick in the head?” “No, we’d better stone her. If we don’t, the Muslims will anyway”.
You don’t care what my argument is? So then you’re willfully ignorant, and you admit, you have no leg to stand on rationally, you just hate gays?
If homosexuality, a naturally occurring phenomenon is “sexual deviance” then I have to wonder what you mean by this phrase. You must mean: “sexual conduct that does not lead to reproduction”, right? Ok, but blowjobs and anal sex also fit into this category, cunnilingus, anilingus, making out, bukkake, foreplay etc. All “sexual deviance” then in so far as these activities deviate from efficient reproduction causing sexual activity. Yeah, so what? In my mind, sex for pleasure is normal and natural. I like it. I don’t think it’s deviant, or that there is anything wrong with it. It’s healthy and it enhances my life. I like all of this stuff and more. Gay people are gay. When they have sex with like-sex individuals, it enhances their lives. God, if he exists, knows this, and doesn’t give a crap. The only people who give a crap are meddling religious totalitarians, following a book written for modern retards back in the stone age, by people who should be classified as illiterate heathens deprived of a third grade education in every subject from science to social studies. Most everything they knew was wrong when the Bible was written. Not only that, it’s still wrong. If the choice is between a theocracy and a leftist free for all, I’ll fight for the free for all. If there is another way, which I think there is, I’ll fight for that. But whatever you’re talking about is not WN, it isn’t sovereignty of peoples, it isn’t separatism, it isn’t sensible, it isn’t right. It’s just mad. My advice to you is to stay clear of gay people, or instead to actually go out and talk to a few. They’re actually pretty charming generally speaking. They’re not black people. They’re people born biologically askew. That’s it and that’s all. Just like most men like to put it in their girlfriend’s butt, they like to put it in their boyfriend’s.

jane johnson

Said the same thing above. Sorry, should’ve read all the comments before replying. Dental surgery earlier today, and still a little woozy.

will

They are not religious bigots. Talk to a few. They use some non-pc language and that gets the groupthinkers to call them racists, but they’re not racial bigots, either. At least that is my experience from a few encounters.

http://www.occidentalenclave.org/ Occidental Enclave Forum

The fact that it is a St. Andrew’s flag is a joke. Not many Southerners are of actual Scottish ancestry. It’s just the ignorant LoS narrative that they manufactured from being uneducated and watching Mel Gibson movies. 1) “Scots Irish” were NOT the original population which peopled the South. 2) Scotsmen were a MINORITY of “Scots-Irish” anyway- there were German Palatiners, French Hugenots, and the largest single group were ENGLISHMEN from Northern England. Scotsmen (from the lowlands- mostly all Anglo Scotsmen anyway) were only a fraction of the “Scots-Irish”/ Ulster-Scots. The narrative they have contrived that Southerners are overwhelmingly Scottish is utter fantasy, and is to the detriment of their credibility.

Romulus

In my minds eye and the depths of my heart, I will always have a soft spot for DIXIE.
I remember the songs and the history. I know the food and the fashion. I know the language and the figures of speech. I think they couldve done a better job with this new flag. It is rather plain. It doesnt inspire. It doesnt have any boldness. What they should do, is NOT capitulate to anything. THE LOS should also have an open forum for flag suggestions and designs that are unique to southern folk, while exhibiting euro ancestry.

OlderWoman

But, it’s White.

Romulus

Yes, and I like St. Andrew very much, but IMO, a symbol needs that emotional punch that people can identify with. Like the trinity clover of the Irish or the symbol of the solar cross of central Europe(Germany) The battle flag has such an emotional attachment. Which is why the left sought out to destroy it’s symbolism.

Brian

The battle flag is also, to me, extremely aesthetically pleasing, on par with the Greek flag or the UK Union Jack.

Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

An added Hammer of Thor and a Celtic pentangle might help,… perhaps a fleur de lis, all in a the triangles created by the X. This would reflect some European styled heraldry, as well.

bigone4u

Three idiot trolls gave you downvotes. Your ideas are sound.

NeanderthalDNA

Yeah but It’s starting to get cluttered. There’s a beauty in simplicity.

Sick of it

I’m with you re: the Confederate Battle Flag. It’s very good looking and more traditional.

KittyAmerica

Have you heard Waylon Jennings sing Rebel Soldier?

Romulus

Love Waylon. The dukes theme song is one of my ringtones.

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

When I first became familiar with the League of the South, or the Southern League, as it was known then, ca. 1997, it was Rainbow Confederate all the way. Thankfully they ditched that silliness. Their Rebellion Blog is as racially aware as any on Ye Olde Internets.

Just as the identitarians of Europe prioritize the defense of their own group without abandoning the larger European struggle, Southern nationalists dodge many of the pitfalls of white nationalism without surrendering on racial issues. Race is a necessary element of ethnonationalism, but it is not always sufficient. The defense of a local group and a traditional culture grounds the struggle. It makes the political movement comprehensible to ordinary people, it allows activists to frame white Southerners as victims of the powerful elite, and it prevents the kind of ideological flights of fancy that lead to infighting and permanent political marginalization.

Is that you, Hunter Wallace?

Really, Mr. Hood is right, as is Mr. Wallace. The ticket to the future is not “white nationalism” per se, but ethnic-based ethnonationalist movements among the various tribes of white people, that operate under the informal abstract umbrella term of white nationalism in that they pledge that the white ethnonationalist movements of the world cooperate with each other and not bash or trash each other or foment war and violence against each other. People are more motivated by their loyalty to their tribe, not to their race as a whole. Notice I have stopped using the phrase “white nationalism” in reference to what we are or want to be or should be. My favorite phrase these days is “white American ethnonationalist.” Or I’ll take Dixie/Southern ethnonationalist if it comes to that.

Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

I am in complete agreement with you. Everyone I meet with similar sympathies in the Northwest sympathize with the South, but it is obvious to me that we have slightly different, but important differences. One is over religion. Another about ecology. We tend to see our environment as something that we want to save from the invaders. We are separate, but share the Indian tribes concerns, here. And so on. In the East, most Indian tribes that still exist are genetically mostly white. We have to separate Indians from Mexicans and other Hispanics, etc.

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

I’m glad somebody is. Judging from the three down votes I have already, the J-obsessed cranks among us are out in full force.

White Mom in WDC

I am an Aryan. I have been harassed and heckled by Jews. Am I Jew obsessed, no, but let’s not forget that the SPLC is comprised mainly of Jews and that it does go after organizations that support white interests.

NeanderthalDNA

Morris Dees is a non-Jew who tries to pass himself off to northern liberal donating Jews as a Jew.

Not sure about the Jewishness of SPLC (not surprising if so) but certainly never been many blacks in real positions.

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

And its founder? A hustling traitor good ole southern white boy.

Romulus

That the Indian tribes are white has been debunked by FAMILY TREE DNAin an excellent documentary in the archives of the Nat geo channel. The tribe in question was,if memory serves the central cherokee of north Carolina. They were found to be white non Jewish Europeans With some having a slight admixture of native feathers.

IKantunderstand

Romulus, do not accede anything in this fight. Just by saying “European” should immediately imply:White and Christian”. I find your statement of defining people as “white non Jewish Europeans”, as being redundant at best.

Romulus

For those herein, I would assume the readers know that. I was specifically referencing the documentary that addresses that particular native tribe. Part of their claim was documented as white/Jewish. Which turned out to be invalid. When I say “white people”, in no way do I infer Jewish people.

itdoesnotmatter

That program, if memory serves, portrayed an alleged part Amerindian woman who swore her tribe spoke a language similar to Hebrew, practiced Jewish based religious rites.
Though genetic research proved no connection, the findings were not accepted, she wanted it so badly.
Someone had sold her a bill of goods.

Romulus

Yes, that’s right. I’ve talked with many a white folk who think that their amerindian, when even to the naked eye, one can clearly see that their not. I believe it to be part white guilt,part victimhood superiority. There are so many instances of “victim” groups using emotionalism to leverage whites for compensation.

NeanderthalDNA

By the time the first Indian was counted from which most people claim Indian ancestry, that “Indian” was often already genetically 1/2 or 1/4 Indian, so most folk who are part Amerind are off by at least one degree.

John Ross, famous chief of the eastern Cherokee, was 1/8 “Indian”.

Rhialto

You introduce an issue of great importance: While Liberals have a common core of ideological beliefs, those who oppose Liberalism tend to differ on many points. You mentioned 2 key areas, religion and environmental protection. A previous commenter stated that he was atheist and homosexual. Homosexuality is a divisive issue. Some, like me, don’t care; others would not tolerate homosexuals in a pro-White organization. The same with another group, whose name cannot be mentioned.

A possible solution would be the formation of organizations, like League of South, that would be for specific groups. These organizations would be close knit and relatively small. At the same time, these organizations would coordinate with other White Nationalist organizations. This seems to be what is now taking place, at least I hope it is.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

It’s obvious at this point that the White Nationalist movement isn’t going to change unless it is “stimulated” in some way.

By that I mean that barring some unforeseen turn of events (like Golden Dawn or the Front National seizing power in Europe), White Nationalists are going to remain in their comfort zone and will continue to spend all day talking to each other under anonymous pseudonyms on the internet.

They are going to continue to be passive observers of historical events: the next war in the Middle East, the next black-on-white crime, the next outrageous thing that is done to us by the Obama administration.

The only way to kickstart the movement in the North and West is to get the ball rolling in the South. Most WNs are terrified of the SPLC when all they can really do is call you names. We can demonstrate that their bark is worse than their bite.

Brian

Is there something we can do to bring about a ‘stimulus package’ for action? This passive Internet thing is somewhat useful but what is the next step?

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

Short of a successful Southern Nationalist movement, I can’t imagine many things that would stir the White Nationalist movement into action and out of the ditch except for something like the Front National taking over France.

Brian

Mon dieu, what a sight that would be! I would love to see France shake off its slumber and reclaim itself. Well I’m in Georgia and am trying to do my part by producing some offspring at the moment…that’s something concrete.

NorthSea

I don’t know about France, but Quebec has a nascent movement of ethno-nationalists called Federation des Quebecois de Souche. Lots of native Quebecois are sick and tired of seeing Moroccans and Haitians admitted to the province on the basis of being francophones. The Souches say there’s more to being a native than language; it’s a matter of ethnicity. They’re challenging the Socialist environment in the province which opens the borders. Sound familiar?

Brian

It’s hard to imagine people more different than Canadians and Haitians. It’s equally difficult to see why Canadians would think they could possibly gain any advantage from admitting immigrants from a 4th-world basket case, which makes El Salvador look like a success story. I wish these Quebecois Souches well.

NorthSea

I forgot, there is a young identitarian group in France: Generation Identitaire, espousing ethno-nationalist concerns.

NorthSea

Do they accept Cajun Confederates?

haroldcrews

Coon-asses are more than welcome.

NorthSea

Merci

Sick of it

Cajun Confederates would be welcome in any Southern movement.

NorthSea

Merci

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

No, but I am here under my own colors.

NeanderthalDNA

But no zipcoons?

KittyAmerica

What is Rainbow Confederate?

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

An advocate for the South, secessionist or otherwise, who believes that Dixie should be multiracial.

KittyAmerica

Thank you!

robinbishop34

Are you tribal QD?

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

My tribes:

Heavily German, Italian, English, Czech

Traces of Irish, Polish, Russian and Jewish

Uh oh, I said the J-word. I can just see certain people melting down right now. By the end of the day, I bet there will be a conspiracy theory started on at least one of our favorite websites that the Js have sent me in to ruin AR.

robinbishop34

I’ve been considering turning you in for some time now

Nathan Schroeder

you seem pretty obsessed with being Jewish and people pointing out Jewish control. You have mentioned the word Jew more than anyone else here. So you probably are a Jew. I have learned anyone who makes a big stink when people bring up the Jews usually has something to hide.

jane johnson

What would be the point?!

NeanderthalDNA

Likely an attempt to attract minorities to a Southern independence movement. Misguided and not viable largely.

Sick of it

Southern Nationalism or Traditional Americanism would lead to the same ends as a purely WN movement simply because of how liberal the minorities are today. They decided to make themselves other than American. Some of us would just like to see that follow through to its natural conclusion.

anton drexler

The black X on the white field is a truly beautiful symbol. It reminds us that European culture is being exed out by the forces of darkness, both literally and metaphorically. I hope it catches on.

Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

A symbol of white genocide perhaps and perhaps as a protest, but not really the best flag for a new white movement.

jane johnson

Agree. White X on black field would make a stronger statement.

Spartacus

“Has Southern nationalism “arrived?” Sadly, the answer is still no. There
is no mass following, Southern symbols are still being displaced, and
despite the more youthful look of contemporary Southern patriotism, it
is still marginalized.”

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They have to learn from Golden Dawn – Charity exclusively for Whites, combined with a strong presence on the street, especially in poor White neighborhoods that are victimized by dark-skin crime .

I’m very optimistic about this, it has great potential. Long live the Confederacy !

sorleyboy

As President of The League of the South, I say thanks, Mr. Hood, for a positive article on our organization and the growing Southern Nationalist movement. We have done some things well over the past few years, but we still have a ways to go and much to learn. One thing we can’t do is fall victim to complacency.

Romulus

You must remain ever vigilant as to the usual suspects. They will destroy your efforts by any means necessary if they can. You know of whom I speak. I read your site daily, keep up the good work.
One suggestion; if I may. It might help your loyal readers to introduce a features aspect to your tool bar exhibiting traditional culture from the south. Songs, heroes, engineers,soldiers,architects, etc. through it’s founding to the present.

NeanderthalDNA

Welcome. Have room for another poster over at your site? I might lurk around a little and get to know the place, but I like what I’ve seen.

From the fine state of South Carolina. We’re trouble makers, you know?

jane johnson

Y’all have one heck of a rep in Trey Gowdy. With his legal back ground, I’d love to see him as A.G. one day. Holder’s a disgrace.

Puggg

Except he needs a lot better understanding of the immigration issue. He’s not bad, but not good, in that sense.

jane johnson

There is that, but I so enjoy watching him make Holder squirm. The man seems to be one of the few elected officials who actually spends most of his time tending to the people’s business. His tenacity on F & F and Benghazi is admirable, and all of his righteous outrage seems absolutely genuine to me. It’s nice to see someone who really cares about accountability and honesty in government.

Spartacus

Focus on the poor Whites, especially those in the rural areas. Do charity specifically for them, and if you know of such communities with high crime, put out patrols on the streets there. You can learn a lot from what Golden Dawn does in Greece .

NeanderthalDNA

Yeah…these are the future soldiers, and I don’t just mean for some kind of civil war, but protectors of our people.

Poor, lower middle class, Whites here are tough folk. They need to be protected and nourished by their better heeled co-racialists because their better heeled co-racialists will need some peckerwoods no matter how it goes.

Engleman’s analysis of genetic taming points out the nature of why what you say is so important.

Brian

I think of it in terms of country music and classical music…both white, both important.

newscomments70

What concerns me about poor whites, and even middle class whites is substance abuse and apathy. Whites, young and older, are training to be drunks and obese couch potatoes. Furthermore, many of us work and do not want to jeoporidize our established jobs and homes. We need to collectively stop supporting black dominated sports, liberal media, and liberal government. We need to define the common enemy. We need to be enthusiastic about martial arts , marksmanship, boot camps, etc. Blacks (and similar) are tribal by nature. Violence and sexual violence is simply part of their genetics and culture. They need to be separated from us and ideally sent back to Africa. We need to reduce their numbers through emigration, sterilization, and segregation. At this time, white liberals want to enable them to rape and murder us, as well as increase their numbers. In my opinions, blacks are doing simply what comes natural to them. White liberals are simply subhuman excrement. In the future, white liberals will be on the same level as pedophiles.

Spartacus

1.You need to establish your own communities, just like Craig Cobb, and focus on nothing other than breeding, growing your own food, and military training . What our movement lacks is organic growth – primary growth for any group comes from breeding, not conversions.

HJ11

Yup. We must make more like ourselves. Each of us carries entire White armies in our sperm and eggs. Let them be born!

Sick of it

You need to seriously organize in Louisiana. You’ll find a lot of support here.

Sheik Yerbouti

The single, biggest obstacle to a unified pro-white movement is money. Wealthy white Americans seem to have no interest in the matter and will not part with a dime. Anti-white leftists of all color have managed to garner an amazing amount of cash (too much from taxpayers) for their platform. Most of the pro-white groups in the US are on little more than a shoestring budget.

Until some much needed wealth is injected into the process, white Americans will continue to endure the division that anti-white, leftist propaganda machines cause. With some thanks to reality it seems that more and more lefties are falling victim to those they seek to raise. But the things white America needs will not be free. Without resources a proper defense is not going to be possible.

robinbishop34

How do you do it?

Sheik Yerbouti

Since we are on the back side of the economy and being drained by those sworn to protect us, it will first be necessary for white Americans to stop contributing to the US economy. TYhat will take incremental steps to trade only between dedicated, aware white people.

jane johnson

Barter whenever possible. Skilled tradespeople are mostly white, and can swap their expertise for either goods or other services. Shop garage sales and flea markets to both save money and avoid sales tax. If you are a small business, offer discounts for cash to avoid supporting credit card companies and banks. I’m in no way advocating tax evasion (illegal), but minimizing your tax burden helps keep YOUR money in YOUR pocket and out of the hands of those who would use it against your best interests.

robinbishop34

I don’t know

Danimalius

I grew up in the South and call it my home, but because I was raised in the suburbs, I feel detached from my Southern heritage. It’s groups such as yours, sir, that have made me decide to change that. Good luck to you.

Romulus

Is that the Bonnie blue in the background? Now that one I like.

NeanderthalDNA

State flag of SC.

Looks strangely Arabesque with that moon, but relates to the palmetto tree.

The palmetto, a subtropical palm native to the coast, was used to make fort Moultrie in Charleston in the Revolution. The wood is soft and sucked up British cannonballs like a sponge during the battle. And there was a moon out…lol…

Romulus

I knew of the tree and crescent moon, just not the blue background together with them. The blue of Texas’ flag references the Bonnie blue of the Scots, so I drew the same conclusion for your avatar.

NeanderthalDNA

Very dark blue, like “midnight blue”. I always thought it looked like the flag of some fictional middle eastern country. I love my weird little state, lol…

John McNeill

Is there any way for Northern whites to form an ethnonationalist movement or are we too deracinated and too corrupted by both capitalism and liberalism?

NorthSea

I don’t get a sense of regional cohesion like there is in the South. The term “the North” summons the question, which one? New England, Midwest, Northwest, etc. And we have no sense of history like the South, i. e. the Civil War. Sad.

Talltrees

You have a point, but don’t we usually associate the word ‘North’ with states north of the Mason-Dixon line, Pennsylvania-Maryland border? Never heard of the the Northwest, or ‘Midwest’ called ‘North.’

Those of us living above the Mason-Dixon line call ourselves ‘Northerners.’

NorthSea

First, I’ll jettison the Northwest (no offense) from my highly personal definition of the North. Midwest? Definitely of the North, especially up here in the Upper Great Lakes. My remark about “history” could use some revision. I mean a sense of regional, cultural history as in the South. The “North” won the Civil War, but even there they were divided between New Englanders and “Westerners”, defined as Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, etc. Again, no sense of cultural cohesion between the Northern states. As far as the 13 colonies, they very much self-identified as independent colonies. They could barely be bothered to unite against the French in 1754. I agree with you, the North is loaded with history; I just don’t see it as a regional, cultural phenomenon as in the South.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

After 12 years in the “movement,” I am convinced that Southerners have to take the initiative and set a positive example for Whites elsewhere in America.

Romulus

Yes, I believe there is a way. You will need the will and resources. If you travel along the Appalachians from Georgia to Maine. The people tend to be of the same genetic stock and temperament. Value systems also jibed similarly. You will probably have to dig deep into Americas history to find something to unify around. Start with the rural white folk that haven’t been tainted.

Sick of it

The bastions of liberalism would not lift a finger to stave off genocidal maniacs killing their people. That should be a sufficient answer.

John McNeill

I appreciate everyone’s thoughts. I think part of the problem for Northern whites is that many (although not all of us, as Romulus pointed out) of us are of mixed European ancestry. In my case, I lack descent from Anglo-Americans who founded this nation. There are many other white Americans in such a situation that makes American white ethnonationalism problematic. Another problem is that many of us are descended from the 20th Century melting pot that blended different European peoples together. Our history has been very short, and that’s part of what threatens our ethnic legitimacy. In a sense, we are a new people, and it’s our European heritage and culture shaped in America that essentially binds us.

I think for Northern whites (with the possible exception of Anglo-Americans who can trace their lineage to the Revolution and beyond), we can’t look to America’s past to really justify our existence, but rather embrace the idea that we are a new people, a new tribe, and that we must carve a destiny for ourselves. All of Europe is in our veins, and it shapes who we are, and that’s part of what makes us different from the Anglo-Celtic people from Dixie.

I suppose that’s why we Northern whites need to continue calling ourselves white nationalists for the time being, but hopefully if we focus on shaping our own identity we can begin calling ourselves something different and possibly become a new ethnicity. That will make the securing of a Northern white republic much easier.

NeanderthalDNA

Ah yes, the northern White mongrel is a vigorous sub-breed of the American White. I’m a big-tenter racially speaking and like like minded yankees myself. Good questions and conclusions.

Do what you gotta do, brother yankee man!

Talltrees

Some of us are still pure. My ancestry traced to the 1500’s. No mixing with other nationalities that we found. Live in an area where 45% claim my nationality.

Interestingly, that % live in my development. All neighbors are Western European except one Jewish family with ancestors from Russia who see themselves as White Europeans, conservative, and one of us. Some neighbors are from the South, West, North Central U.S. Most from the Northeast. All are welcome.

What binds us is our White race and European ancestry. I think we need to stick with European rather than dividing ourselves into regions or nationalities. I am as Northern, Northeasterner, as anyone can be and I don’t think of myself as a White Nationalist, just European. I join all Europeans, regardless of what region they reside, mixed or not mixed European nationality.

Brian

I don’t care if you’re a Minnesota Scandinavian, Pennsylvania German, Chicago Greek, Scots-Irish hillbilly, or for that matter, Kiwi, Afrikaaner, Scottish… we have to stick together however much we can….hang together or hang separately.

HJ11

I was born and raised in New England, but went to college in the South. I love the rural South as much as I love rural New England.

I’ve never been pleased with a North/South distinction among Whites. We are Whites by our genes no matter where we live.

bigone4u

I purchased seven acres of land and a beautiful home in a rural county between Birmingham and Tuscaloosa. I look forward to actually moving there in the next year. Once there I intend to become more openly involved in the Southern Nationalist movement. Thanks, Amren, for the update.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

Look me up when you get to Alabama. My brother lives in Tuscaloosa.

MBlanc46

” There is no mass following….[I]t is still marginalized.”

I’d be surprised if either of these facts changes in the foreseeable future. Southern nationalism is a dead end. We need an American renaissance.

That said, I’m glad that some street demonstrations are planned. Deftly handled (not a given), they could prove a positive step.

HJ11

America? American? What do those terms mean? I wasn’t born an American. There is no American gene. I was born a White person. I have more in common with Whites in Germany and Russia and all the rest of Europe than I do with some non-White who may live in my neighborhood.

MBlanc46

You’re feigning ignorance if you claim that you don’t know what United States citizenship means. Perhaps you don’t have it, which is fine. You can claim affinity with whomever you want, but if you think that history and language and culture amount to nothing, you’re fooling yourself.

HJ11

You sound like one of those characters who says “Don’t put no hyphen in my name–I’m just an American.”

This country has only been here a couple of hundred years. My genes have been around for many thousands. And, to make this point again: I have more in common with Whites in Europe than I do with a non-White who may live in my neighborhood. How about you? Do you have more in common with a Black in your neighborhood than a White in Europe?

MBlanc46

I can talk to my black neighbor in English, unlike many of the Europeans (even some Englishmen) that I’ve encountered. We went to the same sort of schools and had the same civics lessons. We watch baseball rather than cricket (well, okay, I follow cricket since I lived in England). We are aware of the same films and music, even if we don’t have the same tastes (I haven’t a clue what’s tops on the Eurovision song contest). There is certainly a significant overlap between American and Western European cultures, but to deny that there’s a unique American culture requires keeping one’s eyes closed.

HJ11

By your own admission, you put artificial concepts and values such as watching baseball above your genotype. You are not my kind. You are a potential miscegenationist.

MBlanc46

My values are artificial. Yours are not. What an argument.

ViktorNN

Kudos to these Southern Nationalists and best of luck to you. I think many of us in the online pro-white world are excited about what you’re doing.

I wonder how the rest of us in the U.S. can follow their example? The U.S. South is a very special part of the country that has managed to maintain a distinct identity for hundreds of years. Whites in the rest of the country can’t say the same.

At best, those of us who live in the rest of the country can say one of either two things: (1) After being in N. American for over 500 years, there is such a thing as a white N. American ethnic identity. (2) Many of us can lay claim to regional white identities (i.e. NE WASPs, Midwestern Germans, NE Italians, etc).

While I think both are defensible identitarian arguments, in many cases the identities asserted by these arguments require building up or reconstructing. That is, these regional and national identities just aren’t that strong and deeply felt. The test of this is to ask ourselves whether white will rally to them? This is where those of us who aren’t white Southerners are at a disadvantage compared to Southerners who have proudly done the work over the centuries to maintain their identity.

guest

Delighted to hear about the League of the South. It hasn’t come a minute too soon. I’m a southern White (WASP). God bless.

Funruffian

This article brought tears to my eyes. We deserve group solidarity and the unflinching will to defy our enemies who want to devour us.

robinbishop34

I know average people. Cul-de-sacs, baseball field, swimming pool people. Coming to a site like this with can lull you into a proverbial warm bath, but your average housefrau would recoil at the idea of joining any sort of white-centric movement.

Average people are whipped and dumb as sh&t.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

Perhaps elsewhere.

Not so much in the Deep South. Most White people around here are already racialists to some degree. We received a warm welcome in Georgia.

robinbishop34

I don’t know Hunter. Whites have been worn down.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

Here in Alabama, we can tell people that we are for White people, the South, and Christianity. We’re for states’ rights and guns. We’re against Third World immigration, black-on-white crime, political correctness, and multiculturalism. We’re also for a free and independent South.

You would be surprised how many ordinary Southerners are already thinking along the same lines. After the 2012 election, tens of thousands of ordinary Southerners spontaneously decided to sign the secession petitions. Nearly half of the Republicans in Georgia already support secession.

We have a receptive audience in the South. It’s just a matter of getting out there and pushing our message. Millions of White people here have already concluded that the US is on the way down and that states like Texas ought to secede.

robinbishop34

Unfotunately I think it has to be incremental. The truth is self evident, so the message has to be massaged back into the common sense of the general public.

itdoesnotmatter

If the South succeeds in this reclamation effort, I’m moving there, without question.
My ancestors, both maternal and paternal, were 17th and 18th Century Virginia and New England slave owners.
Do I feel guilty? No, but deep regret that blacks were brought here in the first place to forever hang as a collective albatross around our necks.
Furthermore, white Southern families deserve reparations for the loss of homes, livestock, and overpriced farm equipment.

FormerlyEdNY

I too support reparations for White southern families that lost homes, livestock and overpriced, obsolete farm equipment.

HJ11

We’ll help deprogram that average housefrau from the anti-White cultism that has pithed her brain.

Sam Albright

Why should Southerners be concerned with being like a European Nationalist group? Southerners have little in common with European socialist. This symbol represents the brand of Palmetto Patriot and those who follow him. It is not a symbol of the South or the Southern people.

sorleyboy

At one time, all of our now-historic Southern symbols were new. This new symbol is merely one of our additions to the pantheon of Southern symbols. It is new, and thus controversial, just as the Confederate Battle Flag was in its day. Each generation should make its own contributions to our culture. This is one of ours. You may not like it but that’s simply a matter of personal taste.

Sam Albright

I doubt it can be considered a contribution of this generation of Southerners yet. So far, it’s just a logo of a group and represents that alone. I don’t think of it in terms of like or dislike. I don’t identify with it and I doubt the majority of Southerners will either. I agree with some of the League’s other stated beliefs.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

Georgia has a new state flag. The Tennessee state flag which we will be using was created around 1900.

Brian

I’m from GA but have spent some time in the Adirondacks– loved it up there and was surprised how at home I felt.

Bossman

Culturally speaking, most white southerners are already part black but most of them are too stupid to know that.

Earl Turner

I’m not crazy about the black-on-white St. Andrews cross at all. How about the blue-white-green Tricolor of the Northwest Front? Blue sky, green land, and white people in between. True, it’s for a movement on the opposite corner of the country but we’re all white people and that comes first.

Or what about the Vinland flag? It’s not officially a white nationalist symbol, not blatantly one anyway. But discretely it does stand for the proud Nordic heritage of whites. I fly one outside my apartment. My neighbors have asked me about it and I’ve sort of indicated that it’s a “white thing”.

Brian

I dig that tricolor.

Alexandra1973

I’ve got to say…as a 40-year-old lifelong Yankee…I’d actually feel right at home in the Old South.
Just turn down the thermostat! 75 degrees is pushing it for me….

MBlanc46

“The South” is every bit as abstract as “The United States of America”.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

Southerners share a common culture, ethnicity, and history. The US is a proposition nation.

Sam Albright

There were Jews in the Confederate government, American Indians with a Confederate army, blacks caring for the wounded and helping rebuild the South during and after the war. Those groups are still part of the South. Where is the common ethnicity or are you just speaking about a majority? Whites have have a common ethnicity. The South has a mix just like other parts of America. Would you please explain what you mean by a proposition nation?

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

This is a good example of why WN remains stuck in the ditch.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/ Hunter Wallace

It looks to me like the Alabama or Florida state flag, but with black stripes instead of red stripes.

NeanderthalDNA

“Acceptance of an evolutionary dead end , does not make us morally superior.”

There has been homosexual activity in all societies, many of which have survived a while. I agree that the propaganda can be obnoxious, bemoan the effete “metrosexual” “bieberization” of our males, etc.

“Sexual deviance is disgusting no matter straight or other.”

Yeah, nothing good comes from porn. Nothing.

” The only reason the gays will flock to the right is for their own survival as whites become the minority.”

Well, might I suggest that the main reason they flock to the left is pretty obvious…the left gives them everything they want. I would posit, however, that many vote lefty for one reason, and that there is a hostility on the right which might impel a homosexual who otherwise agrees with the right away to the other side.

“The vast majority of people who have helped America crumble, have been the gays, both in Hollywood and in DC. You wouldn’t believe how many there are changing the laws in this country.”

Vast majority? I’ll look into the archives and keep an open mind, but that’s a pretty sweeping statement.

One last point, really a reiteration of an earlier point…

If “conservative” or race realist gays have nowhere to go but the left…that’s where they will go. There’s a certain level of self fulfilling prophecy in your arguments. Gays aren’t welcome in our movement – look, they’re all over there in that movement, See? They’re against us!

Owen

I am not a liberal nor am I a conservative. I transcend the left/right paradigm and am a libertarian and voluntaryist.

The fact is that people on the left hate me because I support free markets and accept human biodiversity. People on the right hate me because I am gay and an atheist.

I found my home within the liberty movement.

anew

As an ethno-nationalist, I don’t mind the homo-atheism, but I find this liberty movement talk very disconcerting.

MBlanc46

So the difference between what is “abstract” and what is not is a matter of voting percentages. Exactly what percentage makes a place not abstract?

michaelCfromSC

Apparently you missed the bulk of my reply. I provided links to religious and ethnic information as well. It does appear though that you are unwilling to consider such information. So be it.

MBlanc46

None of that stuff has anything to do with abstraction.

NeanderthalDNA

Really? Thanks for the tip. You sure? Never mind, got this here internet, lol.

Romulus

An abominable aberration of the beauty of procreation and family.

NeanderthalDNA

We need to be legally passive-aggressive like the blacks. Tie up courts with lawsuits ad nauseum regarding all sorts of things, including folks fired or harassed because of belief or affiliation.

Meanwhile develop an alternative forum of ideas, community, mutual support. The League’s notions on setting ourselves apart are very good, I think. Their doctrine, however, will limit membership. Especially when hard working Whites fear losing jobs or worse. Hence the need for a legal wing.

Mark Hillyard

Most preachers will tell you that Glenn Beck is wrong when he claims that we are the Descendants of Jacob/Israel. Since 1975 I’ve proven that this is true. This is not an obscure thing, it is important that we become aware of this. Israel’s son Joseph had two sons and when Israel blessed them he crossed his arms and gave the greater blessing to the younger son Ephraim who was destined to become A Great Nation after the coming of Jesus. This is how it played out that day, 13 “And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel’s left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel’s right hand, and brought them near unto him. 14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim’s head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh’s head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.”
This is the reason that flag with the crossed arms is important. Others have written about this but the big wigs in the Roman Church, and her daughter church’s, denounce this as heresy and persecute those who try to tell the truth about it.

Nathan Schroeder

it is heresy, British Israelism has holes big enough in it to drive trucks through.

John McNeill

I am aware of the mixing that occurred between Celts and Germans, however most Irish-Americans and German-Americans do not know of this, and such lack of knowledge gets in the way of promoting ethnonationalism for white Americans.

Sadly, many whites do not understand how closely related all European peoples are.

Sam Albright

What are these nationalist doing to defend our people? Why would I need to send someone $50.00 so I can protest with them? Why should I want to help them? What is their track record of accomplishments? The flag isn’t my only concern.

Sam Albright

This article is very well written even if I do not agree with every point.

Sam Albright

I have not made up my mind about the League of the South. I just started reading about them. I watched some of your videos and read some of your articles. How has what you have done helped the South anymore than any other group? I thought you had to be a member of your group the protest? Maybe that was a mistake? I looked on the League of the South website to look at their cost. I don’t like the flag. I do not identify with it and I don’t think most Southerners will. How do you know what I have done or not done? I see protest about everything and on every subject. I don’t think they do much.

Earl Turner

Good luck with the whole Southern nationalism thing. If there’s any sort of secession of Southern states, it will be a Corporatist paradise. The Southern form of capitalism, which I refer to as “capitalism on crack”, is what made me become a National Socialist.

amourpropre

So, tell me. Has your “Northwest Republic” yet advanced beyond the stage of being completely ignored to that of being a laughingstock?

Brian

I’m afraid you’re right. But you go to war with the army you have, right?

jackryanvb

I am very positive about the League of the South and their new, young leadership. I agree that they are following in the successful model of the Italian League of the North.

Though I am not of the South, I chose to go to university in the South to escape the PC, anti White plague that was already dominate in Northern cities in the late 1979s. The South is a good place, it’s not all about money, taxes, Constitutions that nobody follows anymore.

The North is a direction, the South is a place and a beautiful place with beautiful history, culture. We’re not giving up the South to nasty Mestizo Mexicans, or Somalian Muslim savages or the insidious intrigues of “the tribe” without a great fight.

We are engaged and fitting for our people in the South. check out Occidental Dissent’s articles on this subject.

jackryanvb

Let’s research, get up to date lists of regular White Southern folks in Shelbyville and Murfreesboro TN where our next protest of displacement through immigration will be. We need to get off the next and meet, greet, reach regular Southern fols in real cities, towns, rural areas.

Brian

I know a (former) do-gooder in Atlanta who actually took some NO refugees into her home for a month– they barely helped around the house, made a mess and when they left, she noticed a number of things were ‘missing’. Her attitude has changed some since.

Brian

I would say the North’s white manpower advantage of 5:2, and their industry played more of a part in the victory, but I agree with your advice to be ruthless…because in this fight, yes, the other side is playing dirty pool. If you don’t think Christians have the stomach, and they are the majority of us, then who should do the heavy lifting here?

Brian

Love that guy Webb. If I were a politician (perish the thought) he would be a model. I’ve often thought he would have made an excellent Founding Father.

Brian

Northerners conceive of the struggle as one of abstract values combined
with a stalwart tribalism; southerners seem to experience liberation as
both distinctly regional, religious, and almost exclusively racial.

—

This is astute. I’m a southerner but have the Northern mentality you describe.

Sam Albright

I don’t know anything about the Northwest or Vinland, but you keep saying we as if you speak for the whole of the South instead of your small group?

William Krapek

Really? So it’s even worse than I thought.

MBlanc46

A.Which is not what he said. B. “Blood” and “soil” are just as much abstractions as “democracy” and “freedom” What are concrete are individual human beings. If it’s a concept, it’s abstract. All concepts are abstract. Philosophy 101.

Sam Albright

What you call Southern Nationalism exist only in your mind and maybe with the small amount of people you represent. Little League has more members willing to fight for their sports rights than your little group. Do you believe your protest, calling other groups rainbows, and new logos will change that?

Nathan Schroeder

I posed some hardball questions regarding this new flag and strategy and was promptly banned from the LS facebook group. Anyone who doesn’t get behind this new flag and grovel at the feet of Cushman and Hill is simply out of their good graces. I was told this is a dictatorship and the League members have no say in matters such as the flag. Send in 50+ in cash so Michael Cushman can tell you how SN should be and you cannot even fly the Confederate battle flag at rallies or wear any Confederate symbol other than the kosher approved new flag, it meets the kosher seal of approval and makes the NAACP and ADL proud.

Nathan Schroeder

the New brand of Southern Nationalism is 100% kosher. It does not criticize Jewish control or power ( you know Judah Benjamin was a great man! ) and the flag is certified kosher, no nasty offensive stuff to get in the way.

Sam Albright

You still have not said what it is you are doing so much of? I see from your site that you have done one march. Is that what you are doing that the rest of us are not? I did not attack you on Facebook. I asked you to explain yourself. Something you still have not done. I can get past not identifying with your flag. What else is there? I don’t think I am complaining. I am just giving my own opinion. Whether you respect my opinion or not doesn’t matter does it?

Nathan Schroeder

the new flag stinks. anyone who doesn’t agree with Cushman and Hill and grovel at their feet are quickly banned or silenced. I was banned from their facebook group for posing the some hardball questions they did not want to face. No doubt about it the new flag is 100% Kosher, meaning it meets the approval of the ADL, NAACP, and the Jewish media. This is Cushman’s brand of Southern Nationalism, modern and full of PC nonsense. Also no talk of the Jews being problematic is allowed, seems kind of funny don’t you think?. The League wants you to send them 50 dollars for a membership so Cushman can boss you around and tell you how SN should be and that you can’t display the battle flag or any emblems in public other than the new white Kosher SN flag. thanks but no thanks! save your money! As long as Cushman is in power the League is a dead end.

Nathan Schroeder

The League claims they are no longer rainbow. After their long history of PC and rainbowism we should have known better…peel pack that layers and the rainbow is still beaming brightly, it is just masked by false rhetoric. I never thought I would see the day the League quit carrying our symbols in favor for this kosher knockoff! The League used to protest the battle flags removal, now they have joined in and did the work of the ADL/SPLC/NAACP for them. LS does not speak for me or many other Southerners who know better!

Nathan Schroeder

the new flag stinks and is 100% kosher. anyone who doesn’t get behind the leader of the LS Cushman and the man Hill is silenced and banned. I was banned for posing some hard ball questions to the League facebook group they were not willing to confront. I think it is a shame they want to appease our enemies by hiding our flags in the closet for this new one. Cushman and Hill bragged that they were in charge, the League membership did not get to vote on this new flag. think it best to save your 50 dollars rather than send it to the League so Cushman can force is modernist kosher friendly brand of SN on you and tell you that you can’t display the confederate battle flag or emblems in public. sad and pathetic. The League with its long history of PC and rainbow behavior is still rainbow claiming that it isn’t.

Nathan Schroeder

the new flag is kosher because it meets all the criteria, non-offensive. apparently they don’t want to get bogged down by enemy attacks on the Confederate flag. guess they are just ashamed of our heritage, this is a slap in the face to the Southerners who fought and died, and also the Southerners in the 50’s who resisted federal forced integration of our schools. the modernist brand of SN the leader Cushman and his man Hill are endorsing is not for everyone.

Carney3

I don’t understand why the League doesn’t use the Confederate Battle Flag. A big black X could just as well be used by the Nation of Islam.

Sam Albright

It would be better suited for it also. The Confederate flag is too politically charged for them. That is why they are backing down from it. They might put it in front of their building or have it at a conference, but they don’t want to use it in the streets as a symbol of a people who refuse to forget what was done to them. The new flag is for promoting personal interest. Not the South. The last large group of Southern men with courage were those who put the Confederate flags over state capitals and court houses of the South.

Brian

No I haven’t forgotten about the South’s early victories and the North’s incompetence. And I agree with your analysis here. My take is the South had some advantages: more ‘fire in the belly’, better top leadership, better average marksmanship, home turf advantage/familiarity (most of the time), and more limited objectives (for the south to win, all they had to do was hold off the north, whereas the north had to invade and conquer the south to win). The North’s advantages: more white men, more industry/railroads, unquestioned national sovereignty (the south never got recognition from England/France, which could have really helped, and the north could claim that the south was simply in rebellion and other countries need to butt out).

The South had a chance to win a shorter war– the initiative started to change after Antietam, Gettysburg was the main turning point/high-water mark, and Atlanta was the death knell. Attrition of men and material was the killer in a long war. Like you say though, there was one more chance at guerilla warfare, but my suspicion is that that would have petered out and been subject to ruthless reprisals. The interesting thing to me is what if the South had won and gained independence? I think the industrial revolution and/or pressure from abroad would have killed slavery in the south by 1890 anyway, and the Great Migration of blacks toward northern cities from 1900-1920 never would have occurred. So the south would have been trapped with all the blacks in America, without a clear economic use for them. So what happens then? The blacks have some kind of Marxist uprising, followed by violent white reprisals? A more serious attempt to resettle them abroad?

http://www.occidentalenclave.org/ Occidental Enclave Forum

I’m all for Southern heritage and culture, but the LOS is a historically ignorant, intellectually bankrupt bad joke. None of this changes because they made a new little flag [that is equally based in historical ignorance so much that it is ironically a fitting caricature of the organization]. If anything serious or positive comes of Southern Nationalism, I will frankly be astonished if it is at their hand.

Sam Albright

Nothing positive will. You can count on that.

http://disenfranchisedchristianmen.com/ youfamissim

Blue Collar White Males are the ONLY path to regain political power. BCWM are the target of Democrat politicians and their policies. BCWM sit in the back of the bus – and this prejudice and discrimination is federally sanctioned! The BCWM is abused and denied and White Democrats cheer. These are men who labor in construction – Robert Reiche made certain no “stimulus” dollars reached them. They are the last considered in any government job. They are disciminated in college admissions. White males without a college degree are doomed to hard labor – literally – if and when they can find it. This party needs to advocate Ward Connerly’s message – end affirmative action and the other race laws. Reagan and Bush 1 hinted at this in ads like WIllie Horton. If a political party / politician made ending these laws priority 1 – they will win in landslides guaranteed to send fear through Democrat ranks.

FransSusan

Truth Crusader, What did you see that turned you off Atlanta? What was the suburb?

Philip Holthoff

A better idea is as follows; a flag with a blue background (British blue not ugly federal navy blue) with the square battle flag in the upper left hand portion next to the pole. (In size 2/3 vertical length of flag. In other words 2 foot square battle flag on a three by five foot flag) In the center of the flag in the blue portion should be a snow white Phoenix rising from the flames (red, and yellow) with a scroll in its mouth.The scroll would use the Latin phrase WE RISE AGAIN. If you know some League members please forward this to this. It certainly
looks better and would be unique among all national flags.

Romulus

I’ve posted at great length in the past as to the merits of deviant homosexual and hetero behavior as it Parsons to a healthy society and quite frankly, I find your arguments consistent with leftist dogma, not befitting the eloquence of your prose. It appears that you have some education and you willfully defend a preposterous behavior.
There has NEVER been a homosexual gene. At best, it is an aberrant hormonal disruption, psychological dysfunction, or personal choice. Being born with any particular mutations doesn’t confer healthy evolution at face value.
Your arguments are dated, as is your logic or lack thereof. My opposition has nothing to do with fear but the quantifiable results of corruptive behaviors over eons of time. Militant queers who wish to alter society to their own ends, for their own purposes, are every bit as tyrannical as the worst totalitarian societies.
Any attempt to frame the argument in another fashion is sheer demagoguery. You are, of course entitled to your view.