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I'd agree with this. Having to rely on one Pokémon to fit the role of one type early on in a Pokémon game doesn't really equate to that good Pokémon distribution.

It's a great concept that dates back to RBY. Pidgey is there @ the very 1st Rt. It also helps in getting your team roles filled early instead of waiting till you get Fly to realize "Oh, I don't have a Flying-type, so I guess I'll just use this one I caught 2 seconds ago"

It's a great concept that dates back to RBY. Pidgey is there @ the very 1st Rt. It also helps in getting your team roles filled early instead of waiting till you get Fly to realize "Oh, I don't have a Flying-type, so I guess I'll just use this one I caught 2 seconds ago"

There's Spearow in Kanto and Johto, too, along with Pidgey. Hoenn has Taillow and Wingull.

There's Spearow in Kanto and Johto, too, along with Pidgey. Hoenn has Taillow and Wingull.

Johto even had Pidgey @ the beginning even though they just added Hoot Hoot. Logically it was because it's an owl and they come out at night, but to me it's because they realized they made a bad new Flying-type and were handing out apologetic-Pidgeys

Johto even had Pidgey @ the beginning even though they just added Hoot Hoot. Logically it was because it's an owl and they come out at night, but to me it's because they realized they made a bad new Flying-type and were handing out apologetic-Pidgeys

I wouldn't call Pidove "bad" at the beginning of the game. But I must say that they should've at least made another Flying-type for the beginning of the game.

Pidgey just isn't very good. At least Noctowl has Psychic gimmicks and slightly better special statistics & HP. And evolves quicker
Pidgey bores me to tears and the wait for Pidgeot is far too long.

Back in the day I loved Pidgeot. When it comes to certain types of Pokemon, I get picky. Ex. When it comes to Fly, I want someone in my team that can use it the best in combat. Noctowl just didn't do that for me

Back in the day I loved Pidgeot. When it comes to certain types of Pokemon, I get picky. Ex. When it comes to Fly, I want someone in my team that can use it the best in combat. Noctowl just didn't do that for me

When I consider who to make my Flyer, I generally ask myself whether or not a Pokémon would suffer from only having three viable moves. If so, then I wouldn't teach it Fly; if it wouldn't, then I'd almost certainly teach it Fly.

When I consider who to make my Flyer, I generally ask myself whether or not a Pokémon would suffer from only having three viable moves. If so, then I wouldn't teach it Fly; if it wouldn't, then I'd almost certainly teach it Fly.

Staraptor was really the only one I found my self able to cope with having 2 Flying-type moves.

Unfezant doesn't count since it's the evolution of Pidove. Braviary and Mandibuzz don't really count either since they're not really at the beginning of the game. And the one that's on Route 4 doesn't count either, because it's not expected that everybody will take advantage of it.

I would like them to bring back early flying types and Rufflet/Vullaby early on would be lovely. Also, I wasn't a fan of Pidove

No, they're too powerful for that early in the game. The earliest area I'd say that would be reasonable for them would be Reversal Mountain outside or maybe Rt. 6 or 7. I can't think of any good early game Flying type that would fit Rt. 19, but definitely at least make Pidove available then. Rt. 19 was fairly disappointing as far as the number of Pokemon available. Considering that the Unova Dex has 300 Pokemon, you'd think they'd start out strong by having more than two Pokemon available straight from the first route. I think Rt. 19 should have these Pokemon:

Patrat
Purrloin
Pidove
Lillipup
Azurill

Originally Posted by sAv1Or)

It's a great concept that dates back to RBY. Pidgey is there @ the very 1st Rt. It also helps in getting your team roles filled early instead of waiting till you get Fly to realize "Oh, I don't have a Flying-type, so I guess I'll just use this one I caught 2 seconds ago"

They changed it in BW because they didn't want whoever chose Oshawott to have an unfair advantage against the first gym (since Pidove would be useful against Cilan. Although if you ask me, they should've given you access to the top half of Rt. 3 and Wellspring Cave so you have Pidove/Roggenrola/Blitzle as options against the triplets as well, I hate those monkeys.). But since you're not fighting the Triplets in BW2, they should've gone back to putting the regional bird on the first route.

Last edited by Bolt the Cat; 19th October 2012 at 5:54 PM.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

You can start off w/ Tepig which Pignite/Emboar is pretty much Braviary Attack-wise and Rufflet doesn't even evolve till Lv.54...

It is a good shaking grass encounter

Maybe as a Shaking Spot encounter, but I still can't see it fitting in that kind of environment. Vullaby/Rufflet usually like drier, more mountainous areas. So maybe Rt. 4/Desert Resort at the absolute earliest. Although I still think it's better as a late game Pokemon.

These are the areas I'd consider most suitable for Vullaby/Rufflet:

Reversal Mountain Outside
Rt. 15
Rt. 11
Rt. 23
Victory Road

Last edited by Bolt the Cat; 19th October 2012 at 6:21 PM.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

I would like them to bring back early flying types and Rufflet/Vullaby early on would be lovely. Also, I wasn't a fan of Pidove

Except they wouldn't evolve for like 50 levels.

Originally Posted by R_N

I'd rather have a Hoot-hoot than a Pidgey

I'd rather have Starly than either of them.

Or at least Taillow, or even something like Spearow or Doduo.

Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat

I think Rt. 19 should have these Pokemon:

Patrat
Purrloin
Pidove
Lillipup
Azurill

I think GameFreak just tries to avoid overwhelming the player on the first Route. No first Route has ever had more than four Pokemon available on it (because Hoothoot replaced Pidgey and Sentret at night in HG), and most have either two or three.

Originally Posted by sAv1Or)

Definitely not too powerful for that early...

You can start off w/ Tepig which Pignite/Emboar is pretty much Braviary Attack-wise and Rufflet doesn't even evolve till Lv.54...

I think GameFreak just tries to avoid overwhelming the player on the first Route. No first Route has ever had more than four Pokemon available on it (because Hoothoot replaced Pidgey and Sentret at night in HG), and most have either two or three.

It's not really that overwhelming, and it'd be better to have at least one or two more Pokemon on Rt. 19 for pacing purposes, as Rt. 20 and Flocessy Ranch are even more overwhelming.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

They changed it in BW because they didn't want whoever chose Oshawott to have an unfair advantage against the first gym (since Pidove would be useful against Cilan. Although if you ask me, they should've given you access to the top half of Rt. 3 and Wellspring Cave so you have Pidove/Roggenrola/Blitzle as options against the triplets as well, I hate those monkeys.). But since you're not fighting the Triplets in BW2, they should've gone back to putting the regional bird on the first route.

Whoever thought it was a good idea to lock out the entirety of Route 3 before getting the Trio Badge was really dumb. There'd be nothing wrong with having more Pokémon available for capture. It wouldn't be overwhelming the player because the player would have a choice to go onto the northern half of Route 3 before the first gym (the player would choose to "overwhelm" themselves), and if they didn't, they'd have to go through the route anyway (at which point the number of Pokémon wouldn't be overwhelming anymore).

Probably because that would be unfair to Snivy users, considering that Oshawott users could pick up Pidoves and Tepig users could get Blitzles, but Snivy users would be stuck with just the one Panpour.

Probably because that would be unfair to Snivy users, considering that Oshawott users could pick up Pidoves and Tepig users could get Blitzles, but Snivy users would be stuck with just the one Panpour.

Either that or they desperately wanted to teach you type advantages using the monkeys.

Speaking of the monkeys are there less of them now in BW2? It seemed like 2 trainers on every Route had one of them in BW.

Yeah, there's less of them. The Trainers this time around are much more varied.

Wonderful, not only were they annoying, but they all had the exact same moveset, bar their STAB, which never changed because its a stone evolution. Throughout the game you could defeat them in almost the exact same manner as before.