Steve Wozniak explains 'Woz's Law of Robotics' to us (Tomorrow Daily 329)

March 10, 2016

Transcript

On today's show we deep dive into the World Drone Prix, we talk about software that helps you create music with face tracking, and we also talk a little bit about Goodyear's massive tire balls.
We also sat down with someone who legitimately changed the world.
Steve Wozniak tells us about the Silicon Valley Comic Con.
And finally we bring back Back It or Hack It with a fantastic phone game that's gonna let you play FPS laser tag out in the streets.
Sounds good to me.
Do not turn away, so help me.
This is Tomorrow Daily.
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Greetings citizens of the internet, welcome.
Welcome to Tomorrow Daily, the best TV talk show in the known universe.
I'm Ashley Esqueda.
I'm Jeff Cannata.
My goodness, what a huge episode.
Massive!
It was a delight, it was a true honor I think, for both of us, to talk to Steve Wozniak.
That was great.
It really was.
We both agreed, bucketlist item.
Yeah.
It was great to meet somebody, in just said early this week, I agree with this.
It's great to meet somebody who truly change the world.
You can actually talk to a person who literally has proven to have changed the world.
It's the first time I ever got to be in the same room with
With them, he does not disappoint.
He's exactly who you think he should be.
Not at all.
All you want is to have him be the exact person he is.
It's great.
Yeah, even exceeded my expectation.
But we got some topics to Deep Dive about and then we'll get to Woz, so let's do the headlines.
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All right, so the world Prix.
I just love that that's a thing.
Can we-
Go to it?
Yes.
Let's go.
Go there.
Can we have the World Drone Prix happen every day of my life for the rest of my life?
Yeah.
First person drone racing is really exciting to me.
This is awesome, okay?
So, this is happening in Dubai.
If you weren't here earlier this week Dubai is hosting the World Drone Prix, where many different.
Look how they control it!
I know!
It's amazing!
They have their first person headsets on, and they get.
I would get motion sickness, maybe just a little bit.
I know, right?
Just a little bit.
It's the World Barf Prix, is what it would be.
Just a little bit, right?
And it's.it's really amazing.
Look how good!
Look.
Nimble and fast this guy can fly this things.
I think this is the level of skill.
Anybody that actually fly a drone.
Knows it's tricky as a learning curve.
But what this guys are doing ago.
Are doing with the, with drones is Really impressive, i'm wondering how it would be live to really see it.
That's the thing I think a lot of people are wondering about.
If Logan had mentioned that too.
[UNKNOWN] crashing it's tragedy.
What a terrible thing.
I really like the night time track to which we will get to in a minute, but One of our HEYTDs, a couple of people had said, do you think, Nicky said, do you think drone racing will become the next big sport to watch or get involved with this, especially in an FPV VR experience?
That's how I wanna watch it, right?
Put me in-
That's how you'd wanna watch it.
Put me in the cockpit with these guys, I do you think it would be a little bit nausea inducing?
A little bit, yeah.
The speed and quickness with which they pilot these things, and zip around corners, and.
Right.
I mean, I'm sure if you're not the one controlling it, it might be a little.
Intense.
Disorienting.
Yeah, a little disorienting, a little intense.
And then Derek actually asked So, where will all the sponsor's decals fit on the drones?
[CROSSTALK]
They've put them on the guys, the drivers-
The drivers?
And he always cutting back to the guys with the goggles on-
I'm gonna, I'm gonna one up you on this.
Yeah?
I'm gonna one up you on this, cuz I thought a lot about this you guys, I know a lot about this.
Really, I love the feedback for this.
I really thought about this and I've got it.
QR codes on the drones.
When you lift up your phone to watch the race all the logos are AR.
Like explodes out of the drone.
Out of the drone.
That's pretty awesome.
Changes as it goes around the track like you maybe see a little thing.
That's what I think.
That'd be kinda rad.
AR
Is the future drone racing?
That's all I'm saying.
I'm very curious of the experience of going there and sitting in stands.
Because I've seen a lot of drone stuff.
We saw a bunch at CES.
Right.
You see a drone it goes [SOUND] and then it flies away and it's a little speck and it comes back.
That's not much different than NASCAR racing I guess, right?
[UNKNOWN] Yeah for me I think it's
Let's take a look at the nighttime track, because this is amazing.
This is the night track.
It's F zero.
Which is pretty much F zero, and all of those lit up tines, any one of them can be articulated into a hoop.
So they fold up and around and they create a hoop for the drones to fly through, so they change the track.
You can see a couple loops there on the track.
That is awesome.
It's so amazing.
One of our viewers said the World Drone Tree reminds me of of light cycle battles in the movie Tron Legacy, wondering whether someday that's going to happen as well.
I can only But VR, I got my fingers crossed.
We're working toward the Tron future for sure.
Very true.
Yeah.
Then Dustin wrote in, said you and Jeff need to live commentate on the Drone Race on Periscope.
Come on.
I know you want to.
We should.
We should totally.
It would be us just going!
Look at that!
Or it'd be me being like, I don't know what's happening, but they're all flying around and it's crazy.
That'd be pretty much [CROSSTALK].
It's drones [UNKNOWN] ahead by a length, and then.
You should do like horseracing.
And then Drone Number Two.
Yeah, exactly.
Man, I hope they name the drones.
My God, they should be named like horses, like-
Like Mama's Little Drone?
Mama's little drum baby.
Mama's little drum baby at first.
Yeah, there's no place like drums.
Get out.
[CROSSTALK] drum puns.
Perfect, we are revolutionizing the sport as we speak.
We might be checking out some drummers here in Los Angeles.
I would love that.
So we'll keep you posted on that, but yeah, so drone racing I think big deal.
I think if they can do something like a virtual ticket, I think that's where it's at.
Where you can put on say your Oculus Rift, you boot in and it say okay, well you pay $20 for virtual ticket and you can choose any of the racers in one particular race.
You can check out their point of view and you can switch back and forth between different racers in their racing.
I would give that a shot, like I said I think it might be a little disorienting.
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But I would give it a shot.
It's a cool new way to experience a sport.
And I think that maybe We'll be seeing that in other sports too where, with virtual reality watching of even football, basketball.
We've talked about you know, football, you know buying a virtual reality ticket to the Superbowl or some other event that's happening.
I think that that's not unrealistic at all.
I think that is 100% going to happen at some point.
It's already happening.
In some way but yeah.
So that is the drone world pre.
If you want to check that out, the world drone pre .com website.
It, you have the live stream up so you can watch.
I'm going to be checking it out.
It's pretty cool.
Yeah.
And they have recaps.
One of, the video that we were showing earlier is a recap from day one.
And then day two and then.
There are some of the races, 11.
There was like an 11 year old kid that was racing.
Really?
Don't they have age divisions or he's just that good?
I, that's a good point.
I'm not sure, and honestly I couldn't guess because an 11 year old might be better at drone racing than anyone else in the world.
Yeah, legit.
Legitimately.I can't say for sure.
Okay.
Let's talk about Eye Conductor.
So Eye Conductor we discussed earlier this week.
Facial tracking software that can enable either a disabled person or a regular person to create music with just moving their face, or their eyes.
The best thing about this is that it's very inexpensive.
This is all just off the shelf Components that.
Face tracker is like $100.
Yeah.
Standard simple webcams cost less than $200 to do this.
So you know it really can enable anybody.
The goal is to enable anybody to be able to express themselves creatively.
Right.
Which I think is a really laudable goal.
And look at how cool this works.
He's singing right now.
Like he's [UNKNOWN] and then you can hear a chorus singing because he's chosen that as an instrument and then he can create that in a track.
Right.
Which is pretty amazing stuff.
And requires such little movement.
And I imagine that if you get You know, more and more familiar with the input.
Like, for example, someone that doesn't have use of their limbs can really get in here, work with it and get to a short hand where they can
Sure.
create something really sophisticated.
Sure.
Yeah.
I think so.
And I think one of the things you had mentioned was the fact that he didn't have to move his face all that much.
It's actually scalable To how limited somebody's facial movements are.
Right.
So even somebody with limited facial mobility would also be able to use a software like this.
Which is incredible.
Yeah.
And also I can see something like this, or this being picked up and developed for computing use, or gaming.
Sure.
Or there's a million other ways that they could incorporate this.
And they took it to A few different places, and used it and people really respond to it.
It just warms your heart to see these videos.
It's amazing.
And they were so excited to be able to create music and he said you know we really connected with even the nonverbal patients.
Yeah.
People who couldn't speak, or when they created that music they knew what was happening and they were really excited and it's an amazing thing.
It's an amazing thing.
You know it's important
And I'm glad people are working on communication, ways to get around, be functional if you have severe disabilities.
But taking it to that next step, to just let someone express themselves creatively?
Mm-hm.
It's not-
Not just about functionality.
It's not just about being essential, yeah, as you say, functionality in the world.
It's not just about
Being able to take care of yourself.
Getting around.
Right.
It's that next step of really being able to contribute something, and create something, and feel ownership over something.
It's a beautiful thing and it's really inspiring.
It is absolutely inspiring.
We just love that story.
Kudos to the designer and everybody working on this project is amazing.
Yeah.
Okay, so very last one, which a lot of people had a lot of things to say.
Goodyear's concept for spherical tires.
Why hasn't this already been a thing?
I feel like this is, this is BB8 already showed we can make it happen.
[UNKNOWN] BB8 your car on a BB8
Yeah.
which is pretty much what it is, which is just kind of cool I, so Good Year has this idea.
That they showed off at the Geneva Motor Show.
And they were like, what if wheels were spears?
What if it just was like putting your car on four basketballs?
Right.
Super hi-tech basketballs.
[LAUGH] So they talk a little bit in the video.
You can see there's some There's some closed captioning there, and it talks about what exactly they can do with these tires.
Yeah.
These spherical tires.
Look how rad that looks.
I know.
Magnetic levitation.
It's the Batmobile.
It wouldn't be using axles, so using magnets would enable it to move in any direction at any time.
So literally you could Instead of parallel parking car you could actually, perpendicularly park a car by moving in 90 degrees right in to the space.
Which is really, really cool and then also this I got was really interesting the design of this tire, a width change based on the elements.
So if it is wet it would get Soft and [UNKNOWN] groove, you'd be able to get more traction on the road.
But if not then you'd have, it would be ready for dry [UNKNOWN] to deliver driving performance.
So, I really like this idea these sort of, and i'm sure we have some technology kind of like this in current tires.
But I really love that they are kind of going all the way with it.
Yeah, and the fact that it really is a tire.
Yeah.
This is an actual tire, just redesigned from the ground up.
And I don't know if you've played the most recent Batman game, but basically, the Batmobile Has tires kind of like this and you can move in any direction.
Right.
And I think just having played that game.
You're ready.
My mind races and I go of all the possibilities of being able to corner, you can corner in ways like look at this corner.
It's not just about parking I mean parking is the first thing your brain goes to.
But Every way you drive.
But the body of the car is always forward.
Yes.
And you can turn the wheels which is pretty incredible.
That is such a cool concept idea.
Unfortunately not coming to a car near you anytime soon.
Yeah.
Although let's talk a little bit about magnetic levitation.
[UNKNOWN] tech.
Because this seems to be One of the emerging, sort of future,
Well it exists now I mean,
Yeah it does.
Bullet trains,
Bullet trains.
Very fast trains use it now and to great, to great success.
Right and it seems like we're really kind of taking mag lab to the next,
Step by incorporating into things, like cars, and incorporating it into things that we wouldn't normally have thought of before, but now seem very obvious.
Like why aren't we doing this in cars?
It seems like an obvious thing.
It looks very expensive to put on a car, so I think that's a prohibitive part of it.
I'm hopeful, I think.
I'm in favor of more of this high speed rail stuff.
The Hyperloop uses some maglev stuff, right?
Yeah, the tube is actually not on any kind of track.
I belive it's magnetic.
Well, there's a few different design proposals that All kind of go around the basic of it, that Elon Musk had suggested.
But yeah, hyperloop is an interesting technology that I think is gonna incorporate some of the concepts for maglev.
I mean transportation and, we built this world with roads, so we're kinda stuck using them, but stuff like this with these tires, where you can kinda reimagine what the road
How the road can be traversed?
We're gonna have to do this because we can't keep putting the same kind of cars on the road forever.
So, I'm stoked about it.
No, I dig it.
I'm in to it.
Okay, we are gonna take a. Really, really briefly I just wanna tell you guys a couple of.
We had a [UNKNOWN] write to us for HeyTD and said this is great!
I think we're just tired of regular tires.
See what I did there?
I see what you did there.
I figured you'd like that.
I love a good pun, guys.
Real good pun.
Mag loves a good pun.
And on that note, we're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna come back with that makes the legend himself, Steve Wozniak on Tomorrow Daily, so don't click away.
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Hi everybody we are here with the one and only Steve [UNKNOWN]
Yes, and you are talking about Silicon Valley comic con.
I always loved fun things.
I've always loved entertainment events.
I"ve even put on musical festivals of my own int he past.
And so this is a big deal, yes.
Yeah.
This is very exciting.
And we heard that this came from a fusion of two of the people that were most influential on my life.
You and Stan Lee.
Listen I met Stan Lee about two years ago, and he's a hero to me and I'm a hero to him.
We hit it off and they couldn't stop us from talking to each other.
We were so excited and we said we've got to do something.
We've got to come up with something.
We didn't come up with it right away but other people around finally Suggested let's put a comic con together, we know how it's done.
We know how to do it, and Stan and I said let's go, let's do it.
That's amazing.
That is really cool, and one of the things that we really like personally for tomorrow [UNKNOWN] What we like about Silicon Valley comic con, your taking these really high concept ideas and
Technology and science, you're kinda baking them into what is now, a mainstream culture.
It's not, being a geek isn't a weird saying anymore, you're not a weirdo if you're a geek, you're everyone.
And so, we really like this idea that you're kind of bring in these things together like what kind of What made you think, let's bring in technology, and let's have Bobick from JPL come in and talk about space?
Or any of the other guests that you guys have.
Yes.
Well.
The idea was largely, we're in Silicon Valley, we have a lot of technical people.
A lot of technical people like the fantasy of the movies and the science fiction and the comic heroes and that imaginative.
And we're people that turn imagination into products, but let's not make it a technology thing.
There's a lot of technology shows.
Let's only hand pick types of technology that go along with the pop culture.
So it just made sense and it was suggested at first because we're in Silicone Valley and we liked doing things different.
I don't like doing the same thing as everyone else ever.
I like to be first at things.
And we're also going to do this technology plus pop culture idea in Silicone Valley Tokyo, we're working on that one too.
That's awesome.
Because it makes sense because Tokyo's known for a lot of people, at least in the past, we're really up on-
It's the land of tomorrow.
It's where tomorrow happens
There's robots there that I still would like to meet these days.
[LAUGH].
We talk a lot about future technology on our show.
And we think it's really exciting and cool that you're doing this Comic con as a way to kind of merge all of your favorite things, like you said.
But also a lot of other people favorite things in a way that is not just.
Kind of pandering to the masses, like hey, we're gonna talk about, one of the panels is, you guys, super babies versus AI.
Yes.
That's the best one.
It's really cool.
Is that your favorite panel too?
Well you know what, after reading The Martian, and the way geeks kept doing all the numbers on the fly and do all the science, and Andy Weir is speaking, the author of The Martian, that's gonna be good too, but really I think the one I wanna go to the most is AI versus
Superbabies, because all the time we're focused on AI.
Where's the goods, where are the bads, how does it come out for humans?
And I'm on the real positive side right now.
You're on the positive side of AI?
Very positive, yes.
Tell us more about that.
Yeah, tell us about that, because-
Because I've gone through the negative side.
I've gone through the negative side.
If machines can think independently, program themselves better than we can program, advance faster, and they get smarter than us.
Well economically they'll replace our best thinkers, even our best scientists&gt; They'll be able to think better, 100 times faster than us or something.
For example, economic, the big financial trades of the world, 80% of them, are computer to computer in milliseconds.
Because if you put a slow human in the loop, you lose money.
Well, what if you set up a company across the street from Apple building similar products?
ANd you skip the slow humans even a CEO, and the company does better economically, it could win.
So that's a fear.
What if they're replacing higher and higher levels of the real human brain?
There is so much though, to do, to robots, being a quantity of them and running everything in the world, and actually being able to be on their own.
No, their existence is gonna really depend upon us.
For a long, long time.
no matter how smart they are, and we're going to be working together.
They're going to be helping us, have a better life.
They don't have to work as hard, they don't have to work as much.
Maybe only one person has to work four days a week to own a home in Silicon Valley.
That's my dream.
[CROSSTALK] That was my dream when I was a kid, when it took one person five days a week.
I was hoping it would go to four, but now it takes two people full-time stressful jobs.
Maybe you can own a home, same thing as San Francisco.
So, you would say did you see the new updated Atlas that Boston Dynamics post this video and Atlas getting the box knocked out of his hands with a hockey stick.
The guy had a hockey stick and kept playing pushing boxes-
Poking them.
Poking them and knocking them over and stuff.
So you would be technically Pro Robot in that scenario you'd be like, hey stop pushing that robot.
Around.
[LAUGH] I don't know.
But I don't know the robots I think are going to help us get a lot more done as human beings for a long time and they're going to realize that it's better to be friends to us.
Now Isaac Asimov had a law of robotics.
No robot can harm a human being.
Or by action.
Or by action allows him [CROSSTALK].
To people who think good and don't believe in harming people that sounds good.
But Issac Asimov had it all wrong.
A robot doesn't obey our rule of robotics if it thinks for itself.
A thinking robot.
Right.
Feeling, consciousness.
That rule was only when it was given to it.
It's a slave to the human rule.
So I have Woz's law.
No human should harm a feeling robot.
When a robot has a feeling and knows you're killing it, turning it off, you should not, because then they'll take us on as a type of enemy.
Mm-hm.
Mm-hm.
Boy.
I like that.
[UNKNOWN] law.
[UNKNOWN].
Yeah, don't hurt the machines.
Don't hurt the machines-
Once they feel.
Once they know what's happening, right?
Just do what they say.
Once they feel-
Put the shackles on.
Of course we'll hurt animals, but these machines might be a little more than an animal.
Yes.
Well, and I think they know if they were sentient AI that we talk about a lot in science fiction, and even now we're starting to talk about it in computing and everything.
They should see us as partners and also I think that human beings look at the travails of the world like hunger and poverty and wars and all that, I think it comes from
Our own lack of being thoughtful.
So it's kind of emotional.
And we react, and psychologists say it comes a lot from our innerconflict of mortality.
Yeah.
Right.
Mortality.
And we know that if I win a contest, I'm dying and he's losing.
And he's living.
Living, yeah.
So that's why I say don't harm the robots.
We don't wanna give them a sense of their mortality even.
Well we have a hard enough time treating humans well.
Yeah.
It's going to be tough treating machines well but I sure like the option.
But I think the machines if they're so much smarter than us they're not going to make such a crummy world as we've made.
Mm-hm.
I really believe in my heart that they're going to figure out ways to cooperate and find a lot of cooperation and much less of the travails we have.
And they'll find a way to have a world without work.
And they'll realize the importance of nature, and taking care of everything including humans that are apart of me.
Now, we're talking about this, you brought up Isaac [UNKNOWN] We're talking about this in very much science fiction terms.
Were you always inspired by science fiction and [UNKNOWN] and genre?
Always, always, i'd rather read and watch movies.
There's science fiction, then most anything.
Well, suspense is good too.
So that totally explains Silicon Valley Comic Con bringing all these things together.
So, aside from super babies versus AI which, I think, is probably one of the best panels I've seen at a Con, what is one of your other favorite panels, speakers happening at Silicon Valley Comic Con?
I have always been very poor at anything artistic in the normal senses of art, other than digital art
And I'm afraid to try it and show people picture's or something like that, so I'm gonna go to the cosplay events and find out what they do, just as an observer, quiet [CROSSTALK]-
Well wait, if you could cosplay, what would you cosplay as?
I was gonna say, if you had all the [UNKNOWN]-
I would be so scared, I am so bad, I would be too scared of being
Busted.
[LAUGH]
I think I could act the part.
Yeah.
Sure.
I really believe that, but wearing costume, I don't know.
[LAUGH]
Do you think that might be a good way for you to get around on the show floor.
Sort of like Adam does it at San Diego Comic-Con.
I heard.
He'll dress in an amazing costume and be able to not get mobbed.
I'm gonna be, I'm totally open going around meeting everybody the whole time.
I want to meet the attendees.
The attendees are the important people to meet.
But I will catch a few of the panels that are important.
That's cool!
That's really cool that you want to also be a fan of the content that's happening, as opposed to just saying hey we're going to put on this Comic Con.
I don't even know who runs the other Comic Con-
And you know what?
I'll probably be watching a lot of other people doing the cosplay and all that.
And I'll learn from that and maybe I'll be ready for it someday.
Yeah.
[LAUGH]
Hey listen, when you're ready to make your cause play, just let us know, we can debut it on our show.
You just, and we'll do a how to, we can show people how you built it.
Because I think you really seem to dig the how of everything...
Yeah.
Intellectually I'm ready, emotionally [LAUGH] I am so scared.
That takes bravery.
Do you still tinker with stuff, do you still work on things?
I wish I did, but I have a very busy life.
I have technology companies going on, I have speaking tours I think that the-
I think about it all the time though, and what could I do to bring that fun to other kids, and I'd love to see them doing it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cuz I think cosplay is an expression of that too, that hands-on craftsmanship.
Right.
Yeah, you're into something that's, you're passionate, it's in your heart, and I'm gonna play it out, and I'm gonna be a big part of this
In my life and it doesn't have to be worth anything.
When we started with personal computers it didn't have to be worth anything.
It just had to be something we believed in and wanted to do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And be worth money.
There's a big part of this show is VR.
Is that a technology that excites you?
The VR zone?
Yeah.
Is exactly right for this because look at the magical images of comic books.
And you know, the visual effects of movies.
And how powerful they are.
And our computer screens have gotten better and better.
Remember 8-bit games?
Yeah.
They looked like little cartoon characters, barely like anything.
And it got more and more real, they started looking a little bit like characters in hand drawn cartoons.
And then they start looking like real football games, and real people, and real movies.
That's where we've gone with computers, but This whole room someday could possibly be a screen, and I'm in a whole different world.
And I could press buttons and walk through it and everything.
Well, that's what virtual reality does for us now.
Yeah.
I think-
Oculus Rift, and.
I think I can speak for us all when I say we're all kind of ready and willing for the
Holodeck.
That's like the thing.
Exactly.
The holodeck is exactly what I'm describing.
Yeah.
I love it.
Yeah.
We can't wait.
Yeah.
We can't wait.
Thank you so much for talking to us about Silicon Valley Comic Con, it's this weekend or next weekend, I'm sorry, next weekend.
Yeah, yes.
March 18, 19, 20.
18,19 and 20.
It's in And you can buy tickets, so you should definitely go.
You get a chance to meet Woz.
Yeah, you get a shot to meet Woz if you're on a panel.
You should definitely go to [UNKNOWN] I have a feeling you'll see him there.
Yes, and a lot more.
[LAUGH]
Thanks a lot.
Appreciate it.
[MUSIC]
Welcome back.
Welcome back.
Well, that was awesome.
Yes, that was amazing.
I just love the idea of Steve Wozniak and Stan Lee just having a beer together.
Chilling?
Hanging out.
Being awesome going hey, how did you change the world?
Well, I don't know how did you change the world?
Yeah, just having a I changed the world meeting.
I incepted Jeff's brain.
No, I incepted Jeff's brain more.
And then George Lucas walks in and goes, no, I did it all!
It was me!
You're both CG!
Was awesome.
Thank you again to Steve Wozniak, and also to Trip Hunter, CEO of Silicon Valley Comic Con, for letting us come in, talk to Steve, and also we got to talk to Trip a little bit before the interview.
Good times.
All great people involved in that whole thing.
So thanks again.
And I will be following [UNKNOWN] first law of robotics.
[LAUGH] Yeah let's hope we all do.
Let's hope we all do.
Let's hope we all do.
If it's a feeling robot, no touching.
Don't hurt it.
Don't hurt, don't hurt.
And then on that note, let's talk about back it or hack it.
[MUSIC]
Today I thought I would bring something, not different, but weird.
[LAUGH] Not different, but weird.
Interesting.
It's weird.
This is called Father.
IO
Yeah.
And this is, they refer to it as the first real life massively multi-player SPS.
Now here is what it consists of.
I have my doubts.
Okay, so it's an app, you're going to put it on your phone.
And you get a notification.
Enemy's nearby.
And you're like where's my enemy?
I gotta get out of here.
First of all, you're going to look like a lunatic running around being like, there's enemies around.
But That being said, you have a device that-
We're gonna call homeland security on there.
Exactly,k you have a device that goes on the top of your phone, and you are then put into sort of a augmented reality situation where you can go attack other people playing the game.
In real life, offline, not on a computer.
Again if you were doing this in the middle of a city square I think homeland security would come pick you up.
Yeah.
That's all I'm going to say.
Here's the thing when I was a kid there was a commercial very much like this for laser tag.
Yeah.
and it was like
You'll just play lasertag out in the world all the time.
Everybody will have lasertag.
No.
No, it's not gonna work like that.
It's not real.
You might be able to get a couple of friends to download this app and go out in the world, but I doubt very much that it's gonna work as
Flawlessly as the commercial shows.
The video insists that it will.
Yeah, it kinda reminds me a little bit of Ingress.
I don't know, did you ever?
Sure, yeah, my friend actually got really into that.
Yeah, so it kinda reminds me a little bit of Ingress with some SPS added.
Ingress doesn't require
Soft of quick twitch stuff.
So you have this thing called the Inceptor, that's what they call it the Inceptor.
You put that on your phone and it looks like a gun/camera lens.
Looks like a camera lens a little bit.
I just find it very strange.
And it seems like it could be fun but I don't [CROSSTALK]
It seems like something that we want, but I just doubt it.
[CROSSTALK] You use.
It seems like a thing that I felt excited about when I first watched it, but then I started thinking, when would I actually use this?
And the answer is,
I don't know when I would actually play this.
So, how does it know that your friend is playing.
I have a feeling where it's like increased where it's like your logged into the game, so it's just basically has points.
Like this person is playing the game right now.
So, I point at a person and it checks the GPS location of the person i'm pointing out to make sure that the person is playing.
I can't just like shoot anybody any [INAUDIBLE]
Yeah, I doubt you can't shoot a person, but I would imagine the GPS would let them know if you were shooting at somebody who is playing or it would show you an AR that they were a player.
Yeah.
That they were at a nearby enemy as it were.
I love the ambition of it but this smells to me one those what you see.
In the bargain bin at KB Toys when that place existed.
Yeah.
You know it's like a knock off laser tag kind of deal.
I will say this.
They are making a lot of money.
Yeah?
What are they up to right now.
They wanted $50,000 and right now they have $217,000.
Well people are into this idea.
They're super into it.
I'm hacking it I don't think I'm backing it.
But.
For $65 you get two inceptors.
You get the app access, and then you get a limited edition Indie Go Go camo weapon.
So there you go.
When we all are wearing our hollow lens, and we all have the added augmented reality displays on ourselves at all times, then these games will make sense.
Running around with my phone.
You know what it is-
[CROSSTALK] that makes sense yet.
You know what it is for me?
We're adults.
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That's what it is.
Speak for yourself Ashley, how dare you.
In fact, if I was a kid, I would love this.
Yeah.
But I'm an adult.
When you're a kid, these are the kinds of things when you're a kid that will let you down because the commercial looks so awesome,
So cool.
So seamless and so flawless and it just works and it what you wanted as a kid and you're like, yeah, yeah I'm gonna get my little brother and it's gonna be amazing.
And everybody invests in it, you ask for Christmas, it's the one thing you get.
You and your little brother get it for Christmas and you have it and you unwrap it, and you're like my gosh.
And you download the app and you hold it up and go, Well, this doesn't work.
That was, you preached that so much.
That's exactly, you're preaching to the choir, I get it, I get it, I know.
My friend, I was talking to my friend about-
You know it's like Spy Gear when I was 12 or 14.
Everyone wanted Spy Gear like that Talkboy from Home Alone 2.
And everyone was like-
Yes!
This is awesome and then they got it and it was garbage.
Because it didn't work.
Have you ever heard of mindflex?
Yeah, yeah, mindflex.
Where you control a ball with our mind.
No you don't.
Wrong.
No you don't.
Wrong.
Now listen.
Maybe this is brilliant at work, but I have my doubts, and it's only because I've been burned 1000 times.
The little child inside of me that asked for it for Christmas.
Has been hurt.
So, if this is the thing that will deliver that child into the promised land, I'm excited, but I just don't think it is.
I'm going to go wait and see.
For now, hack it.
Maybe pick it up when it's on sale at Target.
I would love to be wrong about this.
Yeah, me too.
And when this thing hits
Hits the shelves I hope we get a "Fatherio" as I'm calling it.
A "Fatherio" instead of Father dot R I O, fine.
Fatherio!
"Fatherio", I think we need to discuss what we're into this week because you are legitimately bursting at the SIM's to talk about it so it's time for it.
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Please you go first.
Okay.
I mean.
[LAUGH]
Here's the thing.
Cloverfield was a great movie.
There is a pseudo sequel that's hitting screens this weekend.
I got a chance to see it early at a press screening.
It's called 10 Cloverfield Lane and it's awesome.
It's phenomenal.
Now I should right at the top here.
Now full disclosure okay.
I should disclose that one of my best friends in the world directed it and it's his first movie.
And I couldn't be more thrilled for him that this thing is not only out in theatres but it's awesome.
I'm telling you guys, go, see this movie.
Avoid spoilers.
It delivers.
It scary.
It's thrilling.
It's edge of your [UNKNOWN].
It feels like a Hitchcock movie with sort of like a Steven Spielberg movie.
Stuck on the end of it.
It is So great.
An I'm so happy for my friend Dan Trachtenberg who directed this movie.
I want everybody to rush out and support it.
This is me not being impartial.
[LAUGH]
Usually-
No.
I'm pretty impartial on the show, and I will tell you about the things that I'm into, but this one I'm into it for two reasons.
One it's my friend's movie and two It's really, really, really good.
I'll go see it for the marshmallow fluff sandwiches along.
Yeah.
I mean alone in the trailer, that's number one, marshmallow fluff sandwich, I'm in.
But, secondly, I actually, I really did enjoy Cloverfield and.
Well it's a very different movie.
Getting great notices
But yeah it's great.
Mary Elizabeth Winsted who plays the lead is fantastic.
And it's very much her story and she is this awesome empowered powerful female lead.
And it's thrilling.
There are very long portions where I was like forgetting to breathe because I'm like [SOUND].
So good.
Go see it.
Go see 10 Cloverfield Lane.
Go see it.
Go see it not only because we're telling you to go see it but go see it because it's a good movie.
Yeah.
Good movie.
I would like to tell you what I'm into.
Please.
I'm into Alpha Go.
Alpha Go.
Alpha Go.
I don't know if you've been keeping tabs on this you guys but
The game Go is a really old game.
I think it originated in China like thousands of years ago.
Yeah, one of the oldest.
It's a very easy game to learn.
You can get an app on your phone and you can learn it.
It's also extremely difficult to master and is a game that really relies more on human intuition as opposed to a linear strategy like you would see See in checkers or chess so.
It's actually they say more complicated a game than chess is.
Yes, that's true, that's true and so Google got their eyes on Go as a great way and a challenge for their own AI.
Well it's only because we've conquered chess
That's true, we have.
There were decades there where it was all like, well, can computers do chess?
And it's been decided.
Yeah.
Computers can do chess.
I'm gonna tell you right now.
I played Chess Master 5000 when I was a kid, and it was beating me then.
So I will always lose to a computer.
What about Battle Chess?
Battle Chess I like.
The animation.
So Alphago was created to play against a legendary go player.
This guy, Lee Sedol is literally the second winningest go champion in the world.
He's won 18 World championship.
This guy is not a joke, and they said okay.
Well, why dont we have a best of five?
And you can play against AlphaGo, and he said before the matches, he's like okay.
That sounds great.
I will totally beat this robot.
They might go four and one and then Google can have some sort of victory.
They can claim victory over All right guys, this robot's up two zero.
Two zip.
He's just crushing Lee Sedol.
How long do these matches take?
They can last, I believe the first one lasted, the video on YouTube is five hours long.
Wow.
So this is, but then there are rules where they will time limit.
It turns.
So that they only have so much time and they thought that would actually help the human player because the robot wouldn't have cuz AI wouldn't have enough time to really consider what moves it wanted to make all of them so they thought it would help but no, not so.
So Lee Lost the first game and then came into the second one and really though okay.
Well Google DeepMind AlphaGo about halfway through the match was like I am really confident and I'm gonna with this.
And everybody was like no, no, no, no.
[LAUGH] Wait, wait, wait, the robot is talking smack?
Statistically AlphaGo said
I feel I am going to win this match.
Like if this part of the game.
You might as well go home, ha ha ha.
We're not that far in, we're not that far in.
He can't make terrible puns, I'm sorry.
But yeah, so he has beaten him twice, it looks like potentially he might sweep him?
Wow.
Three zero, which is pretty intense, but I've been enjoying this and following the story all week, so I highly recommend going and checking out the matches.
It's super fascinating stuff, huge for AI because a lot of AI scientists thought this would not be possible for another ten years for artificial intelligence, so this is a really big deal, and you should definitely be keeping tab on it.
I kinda feel bad for Lee.
I don't.
He got a little cocky.
I think he should have known that it was a very tough opponent, and now he knows.
He knows it's a tough opponent, but after the second game, and after he lost, he said I don't know what to say.
I'm speechless.
Wow.
I'm shocked.
I can't believe that that happened.
And apparently, the robot is making moves that even the most Trained go players are really stunned after its been playing really aggressively, there are moves that they would have never made, or that their trainers or coaches would have just gotten all over them for making, and he's still winning.
AlphaGo rewriting the rulebook!
AlphaGo redoing it.
It's doing great.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
And the game is go.
Game is go.
All right, guys, that's it for the show today.
Let's finish it up with our phonetographer of the day.
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Hari wrote in.
Hari took this picture with his Galaxy S6.
On Mars?
Could be.
Did he take it on Mars?
Guys, could be my all time fave.
Could be my all time fave.
He says that Mars Rover found water.
#heytdibuiltthismarsroverfromakit.
Photo was taken at Holmes Lake in my hometown Lincoln, Nebraska.
It was shot under natural martian sunlight unlike using my Samsung Galaxy S6.
Actually we gotta get us a Martian rover kit.
We should, it'd be sweet.
We need to get one of those kits.
There's a little metal one that you can build.
And he have a whole.
Let's put it together and put it on the show.
Harry sent us a whole photo album of pictures that he took with his rover and they're all amazing.
But, this isn't the one we pick.
He said that it would be sweet if you share his photo on your show, permission is here by granted.
I'm a maker, you might also like my YouTube channel.
Let me know if you need anything else.
Did this thing have function like a Mars Rover or is it just look like a Mars Rover?
No, it's just like a little metal model
I want it to be a full on robot.
I know, that would be pretty cool.
I bet you could find a kit, maybe an RC kit for a rover.
That'd be kind of fun.
No I want a real one.
&gt;NASA should make those, if they're not already making them.
It'd be a great way to raise money for the space program, cuz I would buy it.
Well rover.
I want that.
Harry, thank you for sending your picture.
That was amazing.
Yeah, if you want to be our phonetographer of the day like Harry-
And you do.
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Yes.
With [UNKNOWN]
If you're not
He did.
Yeah.
He did.
He gave his presentation.
See?
Good Harry.
Good job Harry.
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Thank you again
Steve Wozniak and the whole Silicone Valley Comic Con crew for hanging out with us this week, having us over for an interview, and that is it for this weeks show and we'll be back.
Actually, Jeff will not be back on Monday.
I'm going to GDC next week.
I'll be on the lonsies for three short days and then on Thursday, Jeff will be back for the long show.
On Thursday I'm going to come back with
Stories of VR, there's so much VR at GDC this year it's crazy.
I can't wait.
We'll do a whole segment about Jeff's GDC experience.
I'm very excited-
I love it.
To tell everybody all about it.
If you have questions, use #HEYTD and send your questions over to Jeff.
Love it.
Yeah, well.
That's it for the show.
Yeah.
Until next time.
Be good humans.
Bye guys.
Bye.
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