[Merged]Stick a fork in Roger! Done and should retire

Sad to say Rogers done.....too much jet setting, endorsement appearances and not enough attention to tennis...Now he's lost a step and he'll never win another major unless its a fluke upset or injury to the other top 5 guys....I bet even Tsonga could kick his butt now!

Why should he retire? He loses to someone who is of a very high caliber. That is not shocking. In fact, considering the H2H going into this match, one could argue that Fed was the underdog.

So fed has trouble with a few players but can't beat just about everyone else on tour....

Therefore he should retire? WHAT???

Then everyone not named Nadal or Murray (or Djokovic) should also all retire because they can't beat Nadal or Murray either? What about all the people who lost in the first round? Should they retire?

What about the people who didn't even make it into the tournament? Should they all retire at this instant?

Should we make the ATP tour a 2 man battle with Nadal and Murray playing each other for every title?
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Even the best of the best lose sometimes. What about Nadal's 6-0, 6-1 (something like that) loss to Youzney (spelling) or Tsonga's beatdown of Nadal at AO 2008? What about when Murray lost to Fed at the USO?

Do u think they should have retired after those losses?

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How do u know he won't win a major again? Let's see. He's been in the semis at the past 19 GSs!

To anyone who knows anything about tennis, it is obvious Fed gives himself a shot at winning every slam very consistently. Should I also mention he's been in the past 3 GS finals?

Sad to say Rogers done.....too much jet setting, endorsement appearances and not enough attention to tennis...Now he's lost a step and he'll never win another major unless its a fluke upset or injury to the other top 5 guys....I bet even Tsonga could kick his butt now!

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Nah. The guy's problem is that he has too much empathy. Look at what happened today. He was about to take control of the match until Murray had a bad spill. Didn't win a game after that.

Federer needs to stop caring about his opponents. He doesn't have to have utter comptempt for them like Nadal but he does need to stop crying. He needs to embrace his dark side and become Darth Federer.

Nah. The guy's problem is that he has too much empathy. Look at what happened today. He was about to take control of the match until Murray had a bad spill. Didn't win a game after that.

Federer needs to stop caring about his opponents. He doesn't have to have utter comptempt for them like Nadal but he does need to stop crying. He needs to embrace his dark side and become Darth Federer.

I love Roger....but the old Roger was much tougher mentally! He wasn't Mr. nice guy....He was a mean SOB....He kicked butt....he threw racquets when he missed easy shots and actually had some fire in his belly....
Now he's to soft....too contented....nothing wrong with that....but unless he gets that mean streak back he's done...I guess a couple of hundred million dollars would make anyone content...

I saw today's match with Fed/Murray. Fed has lost the mental toughness and confidence (at least at this time). We all know in tennis, confidence and mental toughness are important to win close matches. These two things are what Fed is lacking right now.

Count the ammount of tournaments he went out to nobodies..Doha..unless you want so Karlovic or Simon was a nobody..Simon was top 10 last year Karlovic I guess you can say he should have won but he wasn't some ranked 80 guy. He went out early in noteven half the tournaments he played. Not even a third.. I think it was 4 out of 19 in total and one was to a rising top player who would beat both number 1s of last year.

so when murray beats nadal tomorrow are we going to debate how nadal should retire too?

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I'll be impressed if he does, after his illness I didn't really see him going all the way here. I thought that if he played to his seeding and got to the semi's then that would be a good comeback and a nice spring board onto Miami.

He played really well today though and if he were to beat Nadal, it would be the 4th time in a row! Hopefully he can do it.

Count the ammount of tournaments he went out to nobodies..Doha..unless you want so Karlovic or Simon was a nobody..Simon was top 10 last year Karlovic I guess you can say he should have won but he wasn't some ranked 80 guy. He went out early in noteven half the tournaments he played. Not even a third.. I think it was 4 out of 19 in total and one was to a rising top player who would beat both number 1s of last year.

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I could be bias but I didn't see Murray did anything special today. Fed was kind of pathetic but Murray was just pushing the ball back and pretty much used his legs and hope for Fed to really go after him and of course in the process made a ton of errors. That was how I saw the match, but all and all I was not happy with the way Fed played and even worst, he didn't fight as hard.

You can play crappy tennis any day but your fighting spirit should not waver the way Fed's did today.

Fed is #2 and AO runner up and went to the semi finals of every tournament he has been in this year..granted its 3 but thats 3 tournaments 3 semi finals. Losing to Murray in 2 and Nadal in 1. He is slumping against two players..why retire? Why not just try to beat them? I think he will eventually snap that losing streak.

I could be bias but I didn't see Murray did anything special today. Fed was kind of pathetic but Murray was just pushing the ball back and pretty much used his legs and hope for Fed to really go after him and of course in the process made a ton of errors. That was how I saw the match, but all and all I was not happy with the way Fed played and even worst, he didn't fight as hard.

You can play crappy tennis any day but your fighting spirit should not waver the way Fed's did today.

That's just how I saw it. SAD.

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Murray actually played pretty well and he said he felt it was the best he's played against Federer, especially in the first set and start of the 3rd where he wrestled the advantage away.

I remember one game where he it was 30-30 I think and he played a magnificent point followed by a huge ace, then in the 3rd he produced a few impossible shots to get ahead in the score and didn't look like losing from then on.

I like Federer alot and there is no doubt his heart wasn't in it as much as it probably should of been, but he said after the better player on the day won and that's about right.

it boggles my mind why anyone would even suggest federer should retire. ya, he's not the undisputed best player in the world anymore like he was for such a long time. federer fans will (or should at least) readily admit that. bottom line is, he's one grand slam away from tying pete's record, two slams from breaking it. he's 27 and is never going to consistently dominate and win 3/4 slams EVERY year, but guess what!?

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO..........

Sampras won a slam at what was it? 31 or 32? Roger's only 27. yes, that's a lot of years compared to guys like Nadal and Murray, but quit fooling yourself.

Roger won a slam last year. he made the FINALS of all the others. nearly won wimbledon, nearly won this last aussie.

retirement? oh, please........ take your biased, fanboi hat off and give a guy credit where it's due. just because he doesn't win 3/4 slams every year anymore doesn't mean he's done you silly little geese.

The reason why people are saying Federer should retire is that he will keep facing Rafa in every Slam Final and it will get embarassing for him to play the role of tearful bridesmaid FOUR times per year, so retirement is the only way to avoid TBS:
Tearful
Bridesmaid
Syndrome

Feds no.2 in the world by a mile there is absolutely no reason for him to retire in fact one might argue Nadal would retire before Fed with the way he plays

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If Federer tried to play Rafa's style of tennis he would have a short career but Rafa can play any number of years and is only troubled by tendinitis which is not a real injury its just a condition that is reset by rest, even Michael Jordan (and don't forget the Williams sisters wrist tendinitis) had knee tendinitis from 1991 until his final season in 2003 (and in that final season he was the only player in his team to play all:
82
Games)

Rafa won't ever have technical faults in his game, and he will play great tennis well past:
THIRTY

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These top players never *develop* technical faults. They just get a ste slower which affect there shot making and manifests itself as technical flaw to spectators.
Let him slow down and lose a step (happens to all), then we will see.

Roger still get 350 points or so which is a step up from what he won last year at iW. Sure Fed is going for the slams record which I'm sure he'll get, but as a finalist in most of them, the point difference if he wins them will not get him the no.1 spot back, unless Rafa has a bad run.

It's like the tennis Gods conspired to make Federer's career as heartbreaking as possible, he won 12 slams and then the tennis Gods said "Fed doesn't have any more slams left in him but let's make Murray choke so Fed gets within ONE slam of Pete's record and then we'll make it so Rafa never lets him tie:
The
Record"

It's like the tennis Gods conspired to make Federer's career as heartbreaking as possible, he won 12 slams and then the tennis Gods said "Fed doesn't have any more slams left in him but let's make Murray choke so Fed gets within ONE slam of Pete's record and then we'll make it so Rafa never lets him tie:
The
Record"

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Mark my words TheRafa. Fed will equal that record and break it. Setting the benchmark for Rafa.

I think Fed want's to retire so bad after his recent results but the only thing that keep's him alive is that 15 GS titles...but I think he shoud retire at the and of this year if he stays on 13...
Henin did the right thing - she retired when she started to sink...

I think Fed should retire at the end of this year when he has his 14 or 15 slams. Not that I want that, but it's fair on Mirka and kid. Who wants to be lugged around all the time. Not very stable for the Fedlite.