Lol at all you guys being so judgemental and so quick to have your pitchforks out.

The facts are gray, but Lee is alleged to be PART of the crew that did the heist.

Now it was reported that the bank managers wife and her infant child were "escorted" to a van b/c she was tricked she was being with cops, but once inside the van, then they informed her they weren't cops.

Tell me, WITHOUT GOOGLING, what are the names of the other people arrested and tried?

Since nobody knows any names besides Lee Murray, people just assume the worst part of the crime was done by him. They don't even know the specifics of it all.

Lol at all you guys being so judgemental and so quick to have your pitchforks out.

The facts are gray, but Lee is alleged to be PART of the crew that did the heist.

Now it was reported that the bank managers wife and her infant child were "escorted" to a van b/c she was tricked she was being with cops, but once inside the van, then they informed her they weren't cops.

Tell me, WITHOUT GOOGLING, what are the names of the other people arrested and tried?

Since nobody knows any names besides Lee Murray, people just assume the worst part of the crime was done by him. They don't even know the specifics of it all.

Well excuse the hell out of me then. Sorry for even bringing my old friends name up. Just felt some would like to hear about what he had to say. That's all. Some of you act like i was with him and did the stupid bank heist. If he did do that, then i sure don't agree or condone it. Never have. Never will. What have i done so wrong except spend time with Lee Murray and trained with the man at Miletich's back in the day. I'm sure not going to say f...off to an old friend who was good to me. I don't operate like that.

I posted this on the Marcus Avellans latest rant thread, but it's relevant here also:

Me and my best friend growing up did all sorts of bad shit. Stealing, doing and selling drugs, fighting, smashing up stores and stuff like that.

Then we kind of went separate ways but always stayed in touch and I still considered him a close friend. When we were about 20 I heard about him getting in with a gang that sold drugs to young school kids. Then I heard about a terrible home invasion he was part of where a mother and her child were terrorized while the father was made to open his safe and give them his money, etc.

As soon as I found out about that I called him and said I could not be his friend anymore and he should not call me or expect me to be there if he needs me. He had crossed a line.

Loyalty is one of the most important traits a person can have. But, you have to be able to draw a line and say "this is where my loyalty stops". We judge people by their actions but you can also judge a person by where they draw that line.

Jason and Marcus have very publicly shown that the line for them is on the other side of gang rape and on the other side of terrorizing and taking women and children hostage. They're rightfully being judged for it here.

Jason, you choose where the line is drawn, not some misguided notion of "loyalty". You cheapen the word.

I would advise just staying away from anymore discussion of Lee Murray on here. You may have had a good friendship with the guy but whoever he is today is a different person than who he was during your Militech days. But I for one appreciate the update you tried to provide us with. You seem like a great guy and I'd hate to see you be the victim of verbal attacks from some of the more outspoken and immature members of the forum.

Also just to clairify from some if the responses ive read, Lee's children are just as much of a victim as the people directly affect by the heist itself. Im sure these children had no control of their father being a part of such a horrible act. Now these kids grow up fatherless. Lets hope that everyone involved and affected are able to heal from the experience.

When your father is a criminal sometimes growing up fatherless is better.

Ok, for all of you who accuse Lee Murray of taking the mother and child hostage, just so you know Lee Murray isn't even being charged with that aspect of the crime. It's alleged however, that the husband, the bank manager, was taken hostage by Murray.

At 8:40 p.m. on Feb. 21, 2006, two men dressed as Kent police knocked on the door at Dixon's home in Herne Bay. When Dixons wife, Lynn, answered, the men told her that her 52-year-old husband had been in an accident; she and her son, Craig, needed to come with them. In fact, two other conspirators, who police allege were Rusha and Murray, had kidnapped Dixon as he drove home from work. They reunited their hostages at a farm in the English countryside shortly before 10 p.m.

it must have been worrisome to the kidnapped family, but if nobody was killed or injured, or treated violently, IMO there are WAY worse traumas in so-called "everyday life".

Exactly. People forget, there was a risk reward factor involved.

Without hurting ANYONE physically, they risk prison time, however if they get away with it, they get more money than this:

More cash than what that picture shows, and nobody is harmed, I admire the balls it took to do such a thing. I know I'm probably in the minority on this, but when you know it was a real possibility to have 90 million in cash, I can say I don't blame them for not having enough guilt to not go through with it.

Jason Reinhardt - Well excuse the hell out of me then. Sorry for even bringing my old friends name up. Just felt some would like to hear about what he had to say. That's all. Some of you act like i was with him and did the stupid bank heist. If he did do that, then i sure don't agree or condone it. Never have. Never will. What have i done so wrong except spend time with Lee Murray and trained with the man at Miletich's back in the day. I'm sure not going to say f...off to an old friend who was good to me. I don't operate like that.

Jason, you never shared what he has to say yet. So what does he have to say?

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