Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Even as art, it misses the mark, IMHO. It's bland, anodyne, ineffectual, even in its attempt to highlight the suffering of the Jewish people during the Holocaust. It doesn't seem to work.

Disagree in all points.

You are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine on the quality of this painting. I might add that I'm mystified as to why it found its way onto the thread, when it doesn't come close to resembling an icon.

Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.—St. Isaac of Syria

[/url]"El Espiritu Santo de Taos." I'm assuming this last one is supposed to be a personified Holy Spirit?

Yes, it is.

For those who might not know, William Hart McNichols, a Jesuit priest, has painted about as much "iconographic" rubbish as the better-known Robert Lentz, ranging from touchy-feely personal musings to outright blasphemies. This statement of his is part of public record: "Lentz is regarded as one of the foremost authorities on icons today.” Nuff said.

First post on OCnet in a while, and thought I'd start off by sharing some icons by Fr. William Hart McNichols (RC).

For those who are wondering who these two are, the Greek inscription reads "St Francis" and "St Michael". They are shown as patrons and protectors of New York.

One is indeed an RC saint, being St Francis of Assisi. The other is the late Fr Mychal Judge, the chaplain to the NY Fire Dept, who was killed in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. Fr Judge is a favorite subject of both McNichols and Lentz, because of the late priest's homosexual orientation. Both artists, who are homosexual themselves, have painted various "icons" which promote male and female homosexuality in a positive way, in direct violation of what their own church teaches.

'Evil isn't the real threat to the world. Stupid is just as destructive as evil, maybe more so, and it's a hell of a lot more common. What we really need is a crusade against stupid. That might actually make a difference.'~Harry Dresden

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

Another from the Was This Really Necessary Department, aka A Waste of Paint and Time:

The look in Christ's eyes is pretty creepy, too.

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...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

I've seen Theophilia's DA before, and I must say that I like her(?) stuff.

With that particular icon, I think the biggest problem with it is the deficient use of "I AM" in the halo. Maybe also the improper use of colors for the clothes. Although LBK might see something else.

LBK indeed sees something else. More than one something in fact. The "I AM" in the halo is the least of its problems.

The woman looks like a Bratz doll (though she does have a nose), all gooey-eyed with a bit of "come hither". The child is utterly devoid of any sense of being all-knowing, there is not a scrap of divine majesty in him. He's a generic Gerber Baby. Or a kewpie doll. I can almost hear him saying "goo!"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

I think this is much more well done. Same artist. Anything you see with this one?

Eyeshadow overload, and far too much blush.

Why bother with an insipid copy of one of the most sublime and spiritually powerful icons in existence, when it's so easy to get a framed or mounted print of the original masterpiece? Some historic icons are impossible to adequately replicate. The Vladimirskaya is one of them.

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

Show me a proper, canonical icon which doesn't show the Child as all-wise. Show me in the hymns of the Church for the Nativity and the Meeting of the Lord where the Child is a helpless, unknowing babe.

True, but your disgust at the notion of Christ as an infant talking like an infant is disturbing.

It smacks of docetism.

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Quote from: Fr. Thomas Hopko, dystopian parable of the prodigal son

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

These artists are expressing the indulgent fantasies of their imaginations. A true iconographer has no such pride, only humility to use his talents and abilities to serve the Church and to express her teachings.

These artists are expressing the indulgent fantasies of their imaginations. A true iconographer has no such pride, only humility to use his talents and abilities to serve the Church and to express her teachings.

Iconography is an obedience, not a hobby for dilettante artists.

The website she's posting on indicates that her work is not intended to replace or substitute for iconography.

It's a website for kids to swap sketches and adults to gather cult followings or show off in e-gallery format. Not the Louvre or a cathedral.

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Quote from: Fr. Thomas Hopko, dystopian parable of the prodigal son

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

True, but your disgust at the notion of Christ as an infant talking like an infant is disturbing.

It smacks of docetism.

Yet again you miss the point. The Child is indeed shown as an infant in His icons. Heck, in Nativity icons, He's being washed by the midwives, to show His birth was natural, as a testimony to His Incarnation, and potently expressing His humility. He is forever God, yet He condescends to be washed after His birth.

These artists are expressing the indulgent fantasies of their imaginations. A true iconographer has no such pride, only humility to use his talents and abilities to serve the Church and to express her teachings.

Iconography is an obedience, not a hobby for dilettante artists.

The website she's posting on indicates that her work is not intended to replace or substitute for iconography.

It's a website for kids to swap sketches and adults to gather cult followings or show off in e-gallery format. Not the Louvre or a cathedral.

Icons are not playthings for artistic self-expression. If these folks want to paint icons, then they should apprentice themselves to a master iconographer and learn properly. Something that looks like an icon can, and will, be regarded as such by pious but unsuspecting folks.

These artists are expressing the indulgent fantasies of their imaginations. A true iconographer has no such pride, only humility to use his talents and abilities to serve the Church and to express her teachings.

Iconography is an obedience, not a hobby for dilettante artists.

The website she's posting on indicates that her work is not intended to replace or substitute for iconography.

It's a website for kids to swap sketches and adults to gather cult followings or show off in e-gallery format. Not the Louvre or a cathedral.

Icons are not playthings for artistic self-expression. If these folks want to paint icons, then they should apprentice themselves to a master iconographer and learn properly. Something that looks like an icon can, and will, be regarded as such by pious but unsuspecting folks.

They aren't icons, LBK. They don't look like icons.

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Quote from: Fr. Thomas Hopko, dystopian parable of the prodigal son

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

LBK indeed sees something else. More than one something in fact. The "I AM" in the halo is the least of its problems.

The woman looks like a Bratz doll (though she does have a nose), all gooey-eyed with a bit of "come hither". The child is utterly devoid of any sense of being all-knowing, there is not a scrap of divine majesty in him. He's a generic Gerber Baby. Or a kewpie doll. I can almost hear him saying "goo!"

Sentimental, self-indulgent schlock. Worthless as an icon.

I just wanted to say that I absolutely adore you. I had a good laugh out of this.

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LOL!

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

These artists are expressing the indulgent fantasies of their imaginations. A true iconographer has no such pride, only humility to use his talents and abilities to serve the Church and to express her teachings.

Iconography is an obedience, not a hobby for dilettante artists.

The website she's posting on indicates that her work is not intended to replace or substitute for iconography.

It's a website for kids to swap sketches and adults to gather cult followings or show off in e-gallery format. Not the Louvre or a cathedral.

Icons are not playthings for artistic self-expression. If these folks want to paint icons, then they should apprentice themselves to a master iconographer and learn properly. Something that looks like an icon can, and will, be regarded as such by pious but unsuspecting folks.

They aren't icons, LBK. They don't look like icons.

Tell that to folks like Nephi, who, in genuine and honest ignorance, would likely have purchased such an image if no-one alerted them otherwise.