I had absolutely no hopes for this series since its announcement. The line up is an obvious and uninspired Claremont rehash because apparently we're not allowed to leave the goddamn 80s, Storm stepping down to let Kitty lead and then disappearing into the background is unforgivable, Rachel's new costume and codename are both so dumb, almost as dumb as moving the school into the middle of Central Park

And don't forget that its written by Guggenheim who's brought such great hits as Arrow or Young X-men.

I automatically hold out hope for any book that has Kitty and Rachel in it, as well as Kurt. But it was pretty clear when Guggenheim started talking about what great 'friends' Kitty was with Rachel it wasn't going to actually go in the direction I hoped.

Sorry, I know it's not a popular pair around here and I recognize and understand why many would have a problem with it, but I still ship them. I guess I'm just old-fashioned like that when it comes to X-pairs.

When the next writer comes along and decides to torpedo the relationship for more angst or so he can introduce someone else named Peter for Kitty to go after, might as well make it Peter Parker at this point like in the Ultimateverse, then they'll be apart for another couple of years until another writer with nostalgia hooks them up again.

For me, it's because the relationship is over. They dated in the equivalent of high school, they broke up, they should both move on. Dating your high school hunny after you've gone in different directions is almost always a bad idea.

It's more recent than that for me. I was onboard with them as a couple during Whedon's Astonishing X-Men run, but after Peter volunteered to be Cyttorak's hand-puppet and served up a heaping mound of stalkery creepiness in Avengers vs. X-Men I don't think there's anything to save.

Mind you, I'm not fan of Kitty's Jiffy Pop marriage to Peter Quill, and I like her and Bobby better as exes than girlfriend and boyfriend during their blink-and-you'll-miss-it relationship.

As I recall, Nereel's son is also named Peter. The boy looks just like Piotr, and is the only white kid in a tribe that looks Native American. So Piotr knows that his ex has a son that was conceived around the time they were together, that looks like him, that is named after him, and that is rather obviously not 100% Savage Lander. And he still hasn't put 2 and 2 together.

But regardless, there is a repeated pattern of behaviour in the narrative that essentially boils down to abuse and usually it's shrugged off with a "isn't love grand?" dismissal in-comic. The only time a character has genuinely addressed what a terrible fucking person Piotr has been to Kitty is when Kurt called him out on it in the issue after his attempted murder of Pete. I know multiple writers may have multiple opinions on a relationship, and that will result on multiple different takes on it, but boy does it send out mixed messages when you have one group of writers romanticizing a relationship and another group writing it as something terrible and abusive. It’s a case where editors really need to get their shit together. It’s especially terrible when you get a writer acknowledging a character has done something awful in another title, but basically excuses it or ignores it to push the ship back on track again.

But honestly, any time a character refers to a partner as "my X" repeatedly, like Colossus does with "my Katya" all the time, is a sure sign of a relationship that should be set fire to and dumped in a land fill.

Spider-Man punched a pregnant Mary Jane into a wall, Batman gouged Catwoman's gunshot wound because she was trying to stop him from killing the Joker. You can always find examples to tear down a character and make them look bad when their history is as convoluted as most comic characters' are.

Plus it's dragging Kitty back to a relationship that she was trying to make work when she was 13 and Piotr was a grown ass adult. A number of us feel it's a step back for a character who showed repeatedly that she had grown up and moved on to bring it back, particularly coupled with the emotional regression that went hand i hand with it.

The impression I had when Colossus was first introduced was that he was 17 years-old, so it wasn't my impression that he was an actual adult. That doesn't make their original relationship okay, nor does it make his attack on Pete Wisdom okay, either (although that age difference was even greater in that relationship's case, afaict). But I think that if we're going to assume that Kitty is now a full adult, the difference between them in ages now should be pretty much irrelevant. Part of this is the nebulous nature of character ages in comics: Piotr's older brother managed to be a cosmonaut, implying he was probably in his late 20s at least, while his little sister is originally introduced as being at least 10 years younger than him. Now she looks like she's late teens/early twenties and he's entered the generic adult zone of superheroes.

I liked it when Whedon got them back together, but that's possibly because I'm one of those readers who lapsed in the 90s when Claremont and Simonson were thrown out and skipped a good chunk of what happened after. Whedon's run was obviously intended to pull some of that audience back in (as was, to a degree IMHO, Morrison's run). I think it succeeded at that. Some runs have felt like blatant character assassination to me, but since I started with the character when he was new in the 70s, my perspective is colored from there.

18 when he debuted, I believe. A few years before Kitty made her first appearance. I always understood he was around 20 at the time of Secret Wars, or possibly older as he's shown drinking with Nightcrawler and Wolverine, so presumably of US drinking age.

Keep in mind Illyana was aged up due to spending years in Limbo, during which only moments passed for everyone else. (She was subsequently de-aged then re-aged because of shenanigans.) She's now roughly Kitty's age.

Not specific to the relationship, but I feel Colossus needs some growing up to do. He's super-protective of his loved ones, sometimes to the point of obsession, and can really idealize them.

Back when he had Juggernaut's gem, Illyana purposefully didn't free him from the curse for some time just so when she did she could illustrate she really is not the sweet innocent girl him- and only him- saw her as and kept treating her as. Kitty doesn't get it quite to that extent, but I feel a lot of the time his image of relationships trump the reality, he needs to look at his loved ones through a friend's eyes and not just an idealized eye IMO.

I'm kinda soured on him due to his treatment of the New X-men kids too. "How dare you not want to go into a hellish Limbo dimension and think she's some kind of monster, just because last time she took you there against your will *you* had an arm ripped off, *you* discovered you can survive being exploded, and *you* witnessed one of your friends have her heart ripped out repeatedly. Oh, and you had part of your soul removed." They ended up helping him help her *anyway*, but he was not the most grateful.

Like, back when Colossus was first resurrected in Astonishing, I was all for them getting back together- age was less of a concern, they cared for each other, etc.- but Peter's metal finish has grown quite tarnished.

The mutual crush was weird but tolerably-cute (provided nothing ever actually happened between them) when she was 13 and he was a painfully naive 18-ish fish out of water, but I was relieved they broke up back in 1984, and ever since then any attempt for him to get back with her has seemed very very forced, or just downright creepy.

Them leaping into bed together as soon as he came back from the dead in Astonishing was a world of nope to me and nothing about it since then has made me think it was a healthy relationship.

And then Peter was elected as King of Spartax while Kitty stayed with the Guardians as the new Star-Lord. It was really weirdly written, apparently Kitty thought the galaxy needed Star-Lord more than Spartax needed a king who wasn't evil. And she was really bitter when he would have to cancel dinner dates or miss phone calls because again he was the duly elected leader of an entire planet and had other responsibilities. So they broke up, and then Peter got deposed as King and he rejoined the Guardians and they were just awkward exes on the same team until CW2 when they got stuck on Earth for a period of time and Kitty decided to stay behind.

As far as I can tell Kitty's Black Vortex powers just kind of faded? It happened to Gamora, apparently they can only use so much cosmic energy before it runs out. Of course Angel and Ronan are still using theirs regularly so maybe the Black Vortex is just sexist.

Mileage varies. I'm still into this ship. I'm usually selective with my continuity and am not rigid about things that are "officially canon." I will downright disregard poorly-written stories (Poison Ivy: Cycle of Life and Death never happened in my book). These characters go through so many different creative teams and eras that it feels ridiculous to me sometimes to try to reconcile events that happened in 1984 with 2017. 50s and 60s Batman is supposed to take place on the same timeline as 70s Batman??

Founded by girl geeks and members of the slash fandom, scans_daily strives to provide an atmosphere which is LGBTQ-friendly, anti-racist, anti-ableist, woman-friendly and otherwise discrimination and harassment free.

Bottom line: If slash, feminism or anti-oppressive practice makes you react negatively, scans_daily is probably not for you.