I'd be really interested to know the full story behind his departure from you guys to Sale. When he left us for you, he was an England starter and was told by the previous regime that he needed to be at a top 6 club to kick on. He, in my opinion has never looked the same player since he joined you and his game does not appear to have developed at all (that's not a criticism of Quins by the way, merely an observation). It will be really interesting to see how he goes under Steve Diamond, and whether he can actually get the best out of him.

Young wingers are initially picked up for their pace and try scoring ability. Their game has to have a defensive element added plus more skill at finding the spaces and clever support play rather than just sprinting. Not sure MY. Was able to add these elements to his original speed. Maybe Quins style prevented his advancement.....and letís face it a string of wingers since Dan Luger onwards to Charlie Amesbury have Been unable to shine. Simon Keogh and Tom Williams etc had the intelligence and game nous to buck that trend.

IMHO MY in his style went up too many blind alleys and seemed to run away from support, plus he always looked so miserable last season. Canít see him being up in Manchester and getting back with James OíConnor ending well.

I think JK has done everything right on this one (although not sure why he‚Äôs saying positive things about Marland now) but either way we‚Äôre in a weaker position now that we‚Äôve lost an international class winger.

CookieConfusing comments by JK about someone he's effectively sacked. If he's been a prat, say as much, don't flower it up.

Slagging him off would be counter productive. It's clear that JK put a lot of time and effort into Yarde and thought him worth the hassle until it wasn't any more. This is not an uncommon scenario in normal businesses and it doesn't mean you suddenly start spitting invective when you finally get rid of them.

I think there were rumours earlier this year that TV was deciding what training he felt he wanted/needed to attend, ditto other Club related events, and JK stopped selecting him to ensure he understood the 'team ethos'. Hate would appear to be a strong word to me

I assume his attitude is part of the reason for his exclusion from England.

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Eddie Jones 2016And Jones says Yarde has impressed in training, since being 'sorted out' by the Aussie coach.
"Marland is close to our quickest wing," said Jones. "Maybe Anthony Watson shades him, but he has got power and he is raw.
"He hasn't had a lot of experience, he hasn't had a lot of coaching, and he's very coachable.
"He is a bit of a character. He has probably blown a bit of his career by being too big for his boots. He's back down to earth now and has the potential to be a really special player for us.
"I got him into camp and had a look at him. He had a bit of an attitude on him, so I sorted that out. From there on in, he's been really wanting to get better."

I dont know, obviously, but after reading so much from Ugo and sports journos about how much time Kingston spent on Yarde - Ugo says more than any other player - that his comments aren't just what he thinks.

He clearly rated the guy and we're told put lots of effort into him, but is cutting him because of the danger his behaviour drags down the team.

Many of our players have come through our Academy which I hope breeds a closeness and for me binds players to the club. Maybe that dynamic is harder for one or two personalities to adapt to? If for whatever reason, you find it hard to break into a Group, maybe the thought of a bonding tour to Adidas HQ in Germany fills you with dread?

I'm not condoning Marland's absences. He's a professional in a team sport after all and should behave like one. Just trying to understand why this has happened.

Thinking of Danny Cipriani and James O'Connor, you can see how a DOR can recognise the skill of a player, like a player personally and yet not want them at the club. I suspect Marland was frustrated that all attempts to get a contract failed.

I think there were rumours earlier this year that TV was deciding what training he felt he wanted/needed to attend, ditto other Club related events, and JK stopped selecting him to ensure he understood the 'team ethos'. Hate would appear to be a strong word to me

Charlie Walker was playing well, scoring tries and deserved to keep his place, What message would it have sent out if Tim had been brought back just because he's Tim Visser.

He hasn't thought it through. Blue and white hair brading at Sale wont suit him as well as the myriad of options that Quins colours offered him.

But seriously I think JK overall has done well on this one. He has behaved like a leader.

Yarde had the X factor but on several occasions effort was lacking. He has been better this year but players come and go. if he's trouble as is reported then its right to say goodbye and wish him well.

I have always thought that Marland's try to games rate was much better at LI than Quins, but it appears to be about the same at around 27% (13 tries in 47 games for Quins).

On the other hand Charlie Walker's try to games rate is 48% (35 tries in 73 games).

Defensively Marland edges it. A replacement is needed, but in the short term we are lucky to have such a good player as Charlie to wear and fight for the 14 shirt.

I'm really sorry to see Marland go, particularly in these circumstances, and hope that he eventually fulfils his talent, but it appears that JK has dealt with a difficult situation in the correct manner.

Glad it's now finally official. Think JK and the club did the right thing.

Can't say I wish Yarde particularly well as he's clearly been a bit of a pillock and also I don't want him to go well against us.

The issue now is that we've lost a quality winger at a time when the squad is already depleted, so hope we're looking to bring someone in. Despite his off field antics Ysarde has been playing really well this season

There's a full rehabilitation piece in the Times. Kingston emerges well from it, and notably Marlon does not argue with the decision the club took to release him, which probably tells you all you need to know. From my point of view, he's gone, and I wish him well at Sale and I hope he doesn't have the same problems there that he had at Quins

GrinsThere's a full rehabilitation piece in the Times. Kingston emerges well from it, and notably Marlon does not argue with the decision the club took to release him, which probably tells you all you need to know. From my point of view, he's gone, and I wish him well at Sale and I hope he doesn't have the same problems there that he had at Quins

I genuinely don't wish him well. He doesn't deserve it and, more importantly, we don't deserve it. I wouldn't begrudge him a living, but he's left us in the lurch and I wouldn't want him to be in any way successful.

Not sure why he acted the way he did and not wanting to train etc. He has his career ahead of him and was on the fringes of possible international call ups. I never thought he looked happy (still neither does Mike Brown)but always seemed to run away from support and up too many blind alleys or heavy traffic. I donít think I can remember him blazing down the wing too often.

As I said before, the most likely explanation I can come up with is it was a massive sulk after he was either told he was surplus to requirements or that they weren't going to take him on at the money he was asking. With the amount of effort JK seems to have put in to keep him, I'm assuming the second is more likely. If they were just going to cut him loose, I can't see JK doing much but waving goodbye.

When you have differing opinions between someone who has developed a bad reputation, and has breached a disciplinary code, versus someone who is seen as THE model professional, and about whom you never hear a bad word said... if you were to take sides, it would be a very one-sided victory.

I listened to the Rugby Pod, the podcast by Jim Hamilton and Andy Goode...and they had Joe Marler on the phone. He said he hadn't spoken to Marland for around the last 18 months as he lost his rag with him a long time ago. He said something along the lines of, 'you won't change someone like that so I just leave him be'.

QuincyJonesI listened to the Rugby Pod, the podcast by Jim Hamilton and Andy Goode...and they had Joe Marler on the phone. He said he hadn't spoken to Marland for around the last 18 months as he lost his rag with him a long time ago. He said something along the lines of, 'you won't change someone like that so I just leave him be'.
Seems like the squad will be in a better place for it so I'm glad!

That would be so telling if it was anyone in the squad other than Marler, who sometimes looks like he hasn't spoken to anyone else in the squad for the past 18 months.

Really not good though if that's the case. The team needs to communicate so having those sorts of divisions isn't good for the squad.

Even if you allow for the fact that it is Marler, the piece from Robshaw backs up the fact that Yarde was disruptive within the team.

Not everyone gets on with everyone, and I'm sure we all work with people we'd rather not have to. But, we have to be professional and deal with it. If Yarde has been unable to do that, we're better off without him.

And let's hope he doesn't have any points to prove the next time we play Sale...!

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to bleat about it all over the internet"

BoonieEven if you allow for the fact that it is Marler, the piece from Robshaw backs up the fact that Yarde was disruptive within the team.
Not everyone gets on with everyone, and I'm sure we all work with people we'd rather not have to. But, we have to be professional and deal with it. If Yarde has been unable to do that, we're better off without him.

And let's hope he doesn't have any points to prove the next time we play Sale...!

Don't get me wrong, my comment was pretty tongue in cheek. I suspect Marler is right on the money with Yarde considering what others have said (most notably Robshaw) and I'm glad Yarde is gone.

You just know you must be a bit of a disciplinary nightmare if you're getting stick from Joe Marler.

QuincyJonesI listened to the Rugby Pod, the podcast by Jim Hamilton and Andy Goode...and they had Joe Marler on the phone. He said he hadn't spoken to Marland for around the last 18 months as he lost his rag with him a long time ago. He said something along the lines of, 'you won't change someone like that so I just leave him be'.
Seems like the squad will be in a better place for it so I'm glad!

That would be so telling if it was anyone in the squad other than Marler, who sometimes looks like he hasn't spoken to anyone else in the squad for the past 18 months.

Really not good though if that's the case. The team needs to communicate so having those sorts of divisions isn't good for the squad.

Off the pitch, Marler seems like a well-liked player who gets on well with the majority. During the injury break at the end of the game a few weeks ago he was busy chatting with a bunch of our players, as well as his own and you often hearing about him being a sociable, joker within the England Squad. He might be a bit of a plank on the pitch (depending on which side of the fence you sit on) but seems genuinely popular off of it.

I have it on very very good authority that Marler floored Marland in training very soon after he joined the club. The issue was from a perceived lack of respect. I am not at all surprised that they were not on good terms after that.

I'm not sure there's anything Yarde could say to change people's perception of him once the 'official Quins line' had been put out last week. We know he's missed training, refused to play an A league game and apparently had been told his contract wasn't being renewed at end of season.

He's been pinned as a disruptive influence and it's hard to counter that if that message is being repeated by multiple sources (club/Ugo/The Times piece)

Also I would say that he's really 'hits back at Robshaw' with these comments

"d have expected different from him. No player enjoys that, especially from a team-mate I've shared a field with for the last four or five years.

It's happened. I'm not going to moan about it, it's his views and he's entitled to his opinions. I don't want to get into an argument about what's right and what's wrong."

Granted Robshaw was just responding to a (no doubt) leading journo's question, but he maybe could have swerved it somewhat. You'd have to wonder whether it will effect his chances of an England recall, especially if 4 Quins players are 'happy to see the back of him'. It would certainly make training camps a bit awkward.

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I'm not sure there's anything Yarde could say to change people's perception of him once the 'official Quins line' had been put out last week. We know he's missed training, refused to play an A league game and apparently had been told his contract wasn't being renewed at end of season.

He's been pinned as a disruptive influence and it's hard to counter that if that message is being repeated by multiple sources (club/Ugo/The Times piece)

Also I would say that he's really 'hits back at Robshaw' with these comments

"d have expected different from him. No player enjoys that, especially from a team-mate I've shared a field with for the last four or five years.

It's happened. I'm not going to moan about it, it's his views and he's entitled to his opinions. I don't want to get into an argument about what's right and what's wrong."

Granted Robshaw was just responding to a (no doubt) leading journo's question, but he maybe could have swerved it somewhat. You'd have to wonder whether it will effect his chances of an England recall, especially if 4 Quins players are 'happy to see the back of him'. It would certainly make training camps a bit awkward.

In terms of England, Jones doesn't need any help from Quins players to come to a decision that Yarde is trouble. He's made comments on that front before, so I suspect he well knows the issues that come with Marland.

CookieIt would have been easy for Robbo to go for the 'no comment' option. But he didn't............

And that would have been taken negatively, I think. A bit like the refusal to give a reference.

FWIW I think Robshaw was probably right to say what he said, assuming it's true. I did suggest elsewhere that "maybe" he was put up to speak on behalf of the team, as he would be the best person to do so, since very few would question his word or suggest that he had any kind of motive.

England winger Marland Yarde says there is no "bad blood" after his mid-season move from Harlequins to Sale Sharks. Yarde joined Sale on a three-year deal and was thought to be unsettled at their London-based Premiership rivals. "I thought there was a chance to have a new challenge, a clean slate and a fresh start," 25-year-old Yarde told BBC Radio Manchester. He could make his first Sale appearance against Saracens in the Anglo-Welsh Cup on Friday. Prior to leaving Harlequins, Yarde had been dropped from their Champions Cup game at Wasps for missing training and director of rugby John Kingston said letting him go was in the "best interest" of the club. "I've got no bad blood towards Harlequins. John Kingston and I never left on any wrongful terms, it was just a decision that had to be made at the time," Yarde added. "It was a culmination of a few things. Not everything has been said but it's a stance that John had to make at the time." Yarde started his professional career with London Irish in 2010 and spent four years with the Exiles before joining Quins in 2014, scoring 18 tries in 62 appearances for the west London side. "I'm a little disappointed with how it concluded because I think no player would like to leave on those terms, especially having played there for the last three or four years and being a part of that team through many highs and lows," he added. "I want to get on board as soon as possible - usually you'd have a whole pre-season to do it but it's a challenge to myself. "I am experienced enough and I have played enough games to know how to deal with stuff like that."

hope hes sorts himself out and has a succesful end to his career.

You can have anything in life, if you will sacrifice everything else for it

CookieIt would have been easy for Robbo to go for the 'no comment' option. But he didn't............

And that would have been taken negatively, I think. A bit like the refusal to give a reference.

FWIW I think Robshaw was probably right to say what he said, assuming it's true. I did suggest elsewhere that "maybe" he was put up to speak on behalf of the team, as he would be the best person to do so, since very few would question his word or suggest that he had any kind of motive.

Can't see Robshaw allowing himself to be used like that, to be honest. Sounded more like a straight answer to a question asked to me.

CookieIt would have been easy for Robbo to go for the 'no comment' option. But he didn't............

And that would have been taken negatively, I think. A bit like the refusal to give a reference.

FWIW I think Robshaw was probably right to say what he said, assuming it's true. I did suggest elsewhere that "maybe" he was put up to speak on behalf of the team, as he would be the best person to do so, since very few would question his word or suggest that he had any kind of motive.

Can't see Robshaw allowing himself to be used like that, to be honest. Sounded more like a straight answer to a question asked to me.

I think if the squad as a whole felt that way, he might be a willing spokesperson. But I don't think he's say it if he didn't believe it.

Of course the club, after only a third of the season, is going to have a lot of redundant advertising hoardings on the outside of the ground with Marland's mush plastered all over them. Could we superimpose a different player's face on them?

MickyThe LunchOf course the club, after only a third of the season, is going to have a lot of redundant advertising hoardings on the outside of the ground with Marland's mush plastered all over them. Could we superimpose a different player's face on them?

MickyThe LunchOf course the club, after only a third of the season, is going to have a lot of redundant advertising hoardings on the outside of the ground with Marland's mush plastered all over them. Could we superimpose a different player's face on them?

Think the club has done the right thing they now need to bring in another player on a lower wage that will work harder. At the end of this season if rumours are true more money will be freed up by Roberts leaving then we can hunt some quality players to come in.

Hopefully if his negativity has affected the team results should turn in our favour a bit more and we'll start to see a happy camp. Loved the players reactions after beating Sarries on Sunday proved there is team spirit and the will to win.

MickyThe LunchOf course the club, after only a third of the season, is going to have a lot of redundant advertising hoardings on the outside of the ground with Marland's mush plastered all over them. Could we superimpose a different player's face on them?

Big Josh Ibuanokpe would seem like the obvious candidate...

Would he? Why?

Because he's the right size and shape to completely cover a picture of Marland. It was a joke

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