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I know you're all tired of this crap, but hey, I guess I think it's a goal worth pursuing. So, here is the rundown.

Here is a link to a BradBlog.com story about Clint Curtis, a programmer who says he was asked by his superiors to create a program that would allow voting machines to be hacked. The program that eventually won Bush the 2004 election:

Here is a link which counters the recent Popular Mechanics Story which supposedly debunks the 9-11 conspiracy by illustrating that Benjamin Chertoff, 'Senior Researcher' for Popular Mechanics' is Homeland Security Director, Michael Chertoffs cousin. (You will have to go past the poll and then scroll down a bit to read this story).

Well... the general consensus is that something indeed did happen.... I'm not sure making another thread about it (look a few pages back... several discussions of this occuring) will help change peoples minds anymore.

A lot of the links you provided reek... and I do mean reeeek of bias. I suggest attempting to find some links that are a bit more objective in their approach.

(I know... objective news is an oxymoron)

Great effort.

--------------------"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

... Their is no democracy... their is a democratic process however... but you shouldn't expect full democracy from a declared constitutional republic.

Power is ultimately given to elected officals through SIN. That is... strength in numbers... (don't wip out the bible on me). You are among one of those numbers, you have a problem, show other people the problem and attempt to rectify it to the extent that you see fit. You are theoretically allowed to do that.... (before the patriot act anyhow)

--------------------"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

Yeah, but we still like to call it a Constitutional Republic... It makes our motivations seem more justified

--------------------"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

Well, yeah, those links sure prove things if you believe everything they say, but they're no more honest or logical than Bush himself.

Take a look at this:On the PrisonPlanet site, they speak of evidence that Hunter was muderered, and quote a Globe and Mail article, here's how they quote it:

Quote:Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."

Hunter S. Thompson ... was indeed working on such a story.

Funny thing is, the actual article reads a little bit differently:

Quote:Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."

That's how I imagine a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin. He was indeed working on such a story, but it wasn't what killed him. He exercised his own option to do that. As he said to more than one person, "I would feel real trapped in this life if I didn't know I could commit suicide at any time."

So why the hell do they feel the need to twist the facts like that? Is that not deliberate deception? If I were that Globe reporter I'd be pretty pissed that people were twisting my words so that they can pretend that they're evidence for some hackneyed conspiracy theory.

--------------------"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

Quote:Phluck said:Well, yeah, those links sure prove things if you believe everything they say, but they're no more honest or logical than Bush himself.

Speaking about honesty and logic...

Since you seem to be of the skeptical but pretty serious type, I was expecting some smart response from you in the WTC7 thread. I guess you're gonna tell me you're tired of all this stuff, but then, you react in most 9/11 threads. Since you seem to know about logic, could you please point out the logical flaws you find in my argumentation about the topic? Either here, or in the other thread. I'd love to hear from you. Thanks.

On the same note though, what of my response? I figure that I should ask as I believe this is about to get drawn out once again.

--------------------"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

Well, I'll take a deeper look into it, but from what I could tell, I was seeing unanswered questions, and not evidence of conspiracy.

I'll take another look.

--------------------"I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson
http://phluck.is-after.us

Quote:Psychoactive1984 said:On the same note though, what of my response? I figure that I should ask as I believe this is about to get drawn out once again.

Well, I turned on Fox News, but I didn't see anything of value.

No, seriously though, you mean about the molten steel? Well that requires very specific knowledge of physics, which I and many other people don't have. What I point out is just obvious to see for all.But unfortunately, one way or the other, I'm afraid people don't change their minds that easily. It has more to do with belief systems than with arguments, alas.

But thanks for popping in, you should try to elaborate on that aspect.

I don't wish to get into the dynamics of it.... but their lies your proof that you're seeking.

I'm of my own opinion on the subject, trying to convince others of it is all but futile to me. figure I'd point it out however in case anyone wants to do their own research rather then hearing what I have to say; as any research that I'd conduct on it, would be useless with all the naysayers.

--------------------"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

Gah... the whole popular mechanics article was already on a previous post detailing some "connections" between members which might derail it being a credible source.

That doesn't prove much more then 10+ pages and multiple threads...

Sorry... I'm a part of the "left" as you call it...

Just remember... you may be right.... but when all this shit hits the fan... I'll be left.

(Concerning your I hate leftists almost as much as I hate terrorists comment... I equally hate people who suggest that one's beliefs suggest anything as to their nature... unless you're a neo-con religious right who is rich and for some reason has enough time between business deals to post on our "humble boards"... stereotypes only show your own ignorance.)

--------------------"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.