You're talking about the top 2 TEs in the previous draft, including the fact that Fleener and Luck have had a mind meld for three years.

It's still all about Andrew Luck, but we're talking TEs here, not rookie WRs. Generally speaking the transition to the pro game and their ability to have an immediate impact is much higher for TEs than it is for most offensive skill positions, excluding RBs.

You know you'd trade Cooley/Paul/Davis for Fleener/Allen straight up and run like hell cause you got away with grand larceny!!lol

So, have either made the pro bowl or had a 900 yard season? You're assuming that they'll be good because they were descently high draft picks. I don't disagree, I feel they will be, but it doesn't mean that's what's going to happen.

Right now I'd take Fred and Cooley, building a franchise I'd take the other two.

Trent Richardson would have to rush for over 1250 yards and/or 12 TDs IMO to beat out a rookie QB for OROTY.

RGIII is going to have more Sportscenter highlights than any of the other rookies, he's the safe pick for the award.

But I do think people are underrating Luck going into the season even though he leads this poll.

With Fleener and Dwayne Allen, I could see Luck easily passing for 3500yds/65%completions/26 TDs and 17 INTs.

Luck could have the best set of pass catching TEs after NE and Detroit.

I think the Colts pair of TEs will be surpassing all but NE's TE pair very soon. And given some time, could even surpass NE's duo. Allen has drawn huge praise in camp, and Fleener is already viewed as a huge mismatch TE with his size/speed.

Smart man, Martin has been taking the bulk of the first team carries all camp long. Plus all Schiano talks about is pounding the ball & establishing the run game. Plus with the addition of Carl Nicks i wouldn't be surprised if Martin has a better stat line then Richardson..

No, that is incorrect. He is making all of the usual rookie mistakes but has taken to coaching very well, and has actually drawn praise for his ability to make the necessary corrections to his game.

With the logjam at the WR position, Quick's problem will be getting enough snaps early in the year.

I do, however, expect him to be starting and contributing later in the year. Alas, probably too late to amass sufficient numbers for OROY consideration.

if he cant bust through that "log jam" id say hes struggling, thats the weakest log jam in the league. reports just say hes being inconsistent, which isnt saying he cant contribute this year or that he will be a bust...its saying that appalacian state to the NFL (even if it is the rams) is just as big of a jump as everyone already expected. not saying they should have taken hill, jeffrey, or randle (even though they probably should have) but all he is right now is an intriguing story to watch develop, early contributor...probably not

Also, Quick is getting better every practice. Imagine Bradford with a 6'5 220 lb WR that can run, leap, catch ? Bradford almost turned Mark Clayton into a pro bowler if Clayton would have stayed healthy.

I'll guess Luck for the award. The guy has all the skills needed to excel and is less likely to experience injury issues than either Richardson or RG3.

The nature of a 16 game schedule on a rookie RB, even one built as solidly as Richardson, can take its toll. Add in that defenses will likely play to stop the run first and I have to put him behind Luck.

RG3 is a sleek athlete. He will make some great throws, and some great runs. However, just like Vick, he's more likely to be an injury risk. Add in the fact that he's making a more difficult conversion to the pro style offense and I think Luck is the safer pick.

Given that Martin and Wilson will be in committee backfields, they are a long shot.

Give me Luck and enjoy the ride.

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You can't be a good corner if no one throws your way. Thats my way of seeing it.

Also, Quick is getting better every practice. Imagine Bradford with a 6'5 220 lb WR that can run, leap, catch ? Bradford almost turned Mark Clayton into a pro bowler if Clayton would have stayed healthy.

Quick looks like a Denario Alexander with good knees.

Bradford should turn himself into a pro bowler before he thinks about turning others into one, hahahah.

You're talking about the top 2 TEs in the previous draft, including the fact that Fleener and Luck have had a mind meld for three years.

It's still all about Andrew Luck, but we're talking TEs here, not rookie WRs. Generally speaking the transition to the pro game and their ability to have an immediate impact is much higher for TEs than it is for most offensive skill positions, excluding RBs.

You know you'd trade Cooley/Paul/Davis for Fleener/Allen straight up and run like hell cause you got away with grand larceny!!lol

The thing is Cooley and Davis have proven themselves to be good pro tight ends. Fleener and Allen were good prospects. Let's let them play a few downs in the NFL before crowning them as one of the best tight end sets...