Posted 3 years ago on Jan. 31, 2013, 2:30 p.m. EST by OTP
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The Europeans are going to move, due to being completely bankrupt, to the system that the US has implemented, which is a corporations freaking dream....Dont provide, just force the people to buy it from the corporations.

Corporations everywhere are licking their lips at this. The precedent has been set. The federal government can force you to buy things from corporations. Its exactly the same as the Republicans wanting to privatize SS and Medicare but make sure you are still forced to buy it- corporations dream.

The right keep complaining that its going to move towards socialized medicine. The left keeps hoping that its going to (although Im not sure why they didnt do it to begin with if thats what they wanted, and had the votes).

I think both are going to be wrong. I dont see socialized medicine coming out of this. My rates have kept going up, and the coverage keeps getting worse. Now with this, Im forced to buy something, regardless if its junk or not. The corporations own DC. And now, through forced purchases, they are going to own YOU.

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All services needed in common must be done in common, of, by and for the people. In order to limit costs and eliminate unnecessary spending, all of medicine, finance, energy, communications and mass transportation must be done on a non profit basis, of, by and for the people.

Sterilize the rich heirs and all their fools at puberty and all the worlds problems will go away within a generation. There will be no more cons to parasitize the human race.

Such a common sense solution is unlikely. So let's start small by outlawing for profit finance, medicine, energy, communications and mass transportation.

I agree with these things in common being for and by the WE. Another point in favor is that basic needs will be provided rather this police/jail cruelty and in that way people can realize what they are meant to do. We may have those that will require their life spent healing and they can be contributing members of our communties in some capacity. Where I differ is starting small, time has expired and that is what every well intending person has been doing since the 60's. Big is the solution because that is the size of situation. Besides which people are being tortured and killed in the peoples name and small stuff will not end that fast enough! Get out of Washington DC and leave behind all it has become and stands for. It is not even in these United States and should be treated as the foreign land it is. We have attempted reason, protest, commitees, panel, elections, petitions, decades of time and now things are worse than ever plus the total of lives grows in number daily. Do you see any of our current operation backing away from this behavior NO and will not see the corrupt that be do anything for us. They are fucking our country and when you tolerate something long enough it becomes you and that is not the WE. Let them keep the blood money too. We need not overcome the ways it represents. Besides that with WDC separated we will need new currency anyway. Just write the whole thing off like any bad investment get out. We will be doing all we can taking responsibility for damages that we have allowed if that is even possible it will cost us for along time. The rest of the world will be fine with this because we are no longer killing their children and ruining their country. In Solidarity Worldwide FREEDOM...

Small things like “for profit finance, medicine, energy, communications and mass transportation” a mere 95% or so of GDP will never fulfill the ambition of one so powerful as to reject all that is and replace it with “THE WORD” of the gentle storm because such power is not to be denied and is great and large as we deserve will add our daily needs beyond the infrastructure we must provide commonly to free ourselves of the debt bondage to the providers for profit and all is proclaimed and all is written and so all shall be done by the magic spell of the whirlwind of love and rejection of worldly means and all that's common without end amen.

One would think that in this day and age, with the technology we have, that one could go get a cast for a broken leg or medicine for strep throat for less than $100. Not the usual astronomical bill we all receive.

Exactly. $1,500 for a few stitches is the norm. It's all about profit. There should be no profit in healthcare! And, healthcare workers shouldn't be living in multi-million dollar mansions. Come on folks. This is ridiculous. People over profits!

Now you're talkin! THAT is the cruxt of it. We MUST remove profit from healthcare. It is immoral, unethical. We have kept profit out of fire fighting, policing.It can be done! People over profits, indeed! That would be a beautifulworld. ;)

Good point. I say go universal. Cover everyone, the healthy, the sick, the young, the old. It would even out the costs. Medicare costs a lot because it covers only old people! Other countries do this successfully. It is a complete moral failure that we haven't figured this out. It's not rocket science.

OTP, I completely agree with you and it's going to absolutely drive so many famlies who are already struggling into grave economic despair. Obama is truly working for big insurance, not us. He handed them millions of new customers and even more profit than before. It's sickening, no pun intended.

It's time for the people to take matters into our own hands. Protest, boycott, agitate our individual states to implement a single payer option and put the private health insurance industry out of business. We can't expect corrupt politicians to do anything for us. They must be retired and We must force change!

Unfotunately, my state of VA is even more corrupt. It's truly a heinously fascist state and they are getting worse every year. I'm not sure that state mandated single payer would be any better than Obamacare. But, help me out, maybe I'm not thinking this through well enough. We really need a federal single payer from my perspective. I won't pay into Obamacare, can't afford to even if I approved of it.

Single payer is definitely the answer. Fed level most preferable. Unfortunately corrupt pols blocked it. That must be pursued at all levels. If we can do it at the state level we absolutely should! Other states will follow, and pressure will build for a national solution.

Perhaps but Obama and Wendell Potter both said that Obamacare was the step towards single payer. What a crock of malarkey! Of course, Potter whistles a different tune nowadays too. He's just like the rest of the crony capitalists. Obama gave big insurance 5 years to strategically screw us before the ultimate money load comes in,securing their industry profits for generations to come.
They all got us right where they want us. They are slowing titrating more and more corruption into our lives so that we barely notice and no civil war or revolution will result. Then, before we even realize it, we are captive and unable to reverse the damage.

It's time for the people to take matters into our own hands. Protest, boycott, agitate our individual states to implement a single payer option and put the private health insurance industry out of business.

We the people must force our individual states to implement a single payer option to replace the fed mandate to buy private insurance. That will cut costs. We can also agitate all pols for the right for negotiated prescriptin prices. That will cut costs. It's up to us.

Republicans want to do absolutely nothing about the problem, and Democrats are too dumb to realize this is a step in the opposite direction, just putting even more of a burden on business and lower middle class, with absolutely NOTHING about costs at all. Nothing.

You are so right and yet, so many Americans are just desperate and gullible enough to believe this shit. The gov't and media are always working at keeping us in a desperate drama and this is how they manage to manipulate us and get away with all the crony shit they do. Just like the bailouts.....people lose most of their retirement, the president tells us that he has no choice but to bail out the banks or we'll lose even more and the media like Suze Orman support him. We sit back and allow this because we're so afraid of things getting any worse that day. Desperate minds seek immediate solutions and gratification..not a good thing! We need to think of ourselves as powerful and rich and behave as if we really are. Powerful and rich people don't allow others to steal their money and force them into buying things they don't want!

Beware The Prophets of Profit !! & re. 'ObamaCorporoCare', I learnt much from your few comments just on this thread, let alone elsewhere & tho' probably not the best place for them, lest I forget later, I would like to append the following links here fyi :

Back on topic, how we treat the sick, injured and infirm is surely the base mark of 'how 'civilised' any culture can claim to be. The U$A never seems to be short of money and motivation for Imperial Wars Abroad & Corporate Larceny At Home but its long suffering 99% population is continuously parasitised by The 0.01% Extractive Corporations run by the usual suspects of Kleptocrats, Plutocrats & Dynastic Oligarchs. This state of affairs is unsustainable & 'The System' is pre-programmed with its own demise but the Corporate Programmers' hubris & conceits sees no end in sight. Oh, how very wrong they are !!

Hi Shadz, glad that my previous comments were of some benefit. Thanks for the links.

Oh boy are you ever right about our corrupt value system in this country. We're all about making war NOT love. It's difficult to swallow, difficult to even imagine that we have the nerve to criticize socialist countries when our democracy is so inhumane-- How we treat children, how we treat the elderly and everyone in between that is not wealthy.

Thanx & "not wealthy" = 99% !!! Over 50% live pay check to pay check ; and another 25-35% are 3-6 pay checks from technical bankruptcy !! ~10% think they have enough to have a stake in 'the system' with 1-2% working for 'the system' and this shambles is presided over by The 0.01%, Parasite Class !

Gandhi's words come to mind, as when asked what he thought about 'Western Civilisation', he replied that he thought it would be a good idea ! U$A = demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy ?! Further consider :

The medical "industry" needs to be completely redefined before any plan that is just can begin to take form. I do not do doctors I would rather die and they are not making people well or healthy. The Rx's just keep coming my God if you get 1 on to the plan of maintaining pocket books Rx after Rx after Rx seriously you are what you eat and the stuff in meat disguises as disease and the Dr.s know that parasites well birds of a feather and all. One more indication of why wdc is being left behind it is too sick to make this country well and time is up in the waiting...I am WE

Peace, I completely agree with you. Our medical industry is not a healthcare system it's a disease care system. They even refer to mammograms and colonoscopy as ' preventive' and people buy that! Prevention is not the same as detection.
However, socialized medicine would be much cheaper for the individual than the current crony obamacare that is being forced down our throats. Obama is not working for our well-being at all. I refuse to pay a penny for Obamacare and if they want to penalize me, they go ahead and try but I'm not wasting my money on such. I have a really good doctor that I pay out of pocket to and he is all about prevention, not disease management. I won't be able to afford healthy foods, my good doctor and a healthy lifestyle in general if I pay for Obamacare.

The human body can literally repair itself. Chakras need to spin properly and you are healed. Combining food will balance charging system eating sweet fruit before starches in morning and acid fruit before protein(not meat)in the eve this is we stay well. In this free land WE will choose and be allowed our health and well being. And can make our life's work toward healthy live for brothers and sisters to live in a country of well being FREEDOM I am WE...

They pocket cash that should be going directly to health care. Single payer would be cheaper and it would cover everyone.

Sorry but this bill still leaves millions without health care and there's no limit on premiums, which means they can increase costs on the sick... the fight for health care for all is no where near over.

I'm not ignoring ALEC. I often ignore you because you are a very difficult person to talk with on this forum. You insult and jump to assumptions and you've done this to me in the past, unprovoked.

I didn't see hchc calling you names. I don't read every post. I also usually ignore your posts because of a few negative exchanges we've had in the past. I do read some of them because you do often have good posts on lobbying groups, but I usually do not comment.

I also haven't seen the post where the "asses" quote you mention comes from.

the government is ran by big oil, corporations and banks. Sorry but they indeed fund both parties for corporate interests. If you want to call that a myth, then you should re-evaluate.

I don't remember accusing you of anything about drones. Maybe if you were pushing for Obama or something, I most likely would have accused of supporting drones, because people need to take responsibility in how they vote. If who you vote for someone who supports drone strikes, SO DO YOU because you voted for it to happen. People need to take responsibility for how they vote.

Where are your posts on the Afghanistan war being imperialism? Doesn't mean you are pro-war.

You try to discredit me because I don't post about ALEC every day like you do? LOL.

The overwhelming majority in the future will not have any healthcare - insurance costs will escalate beyond affordability and single payer is wholly unaffordable for our growing population in light of the loss of employment opportunity.

VT is getting closer to implementing a single payer system. We must agitate each of our states to do the same. That flexibility was built in because state based single payer was the best we could get from the corrupt politicians who fought against it.

You said the discouraging "too much regs & mandates to make that work" I'm saying it can be done. I'm saying it WILL be done. I'm saying the flexibility was put into the ACA for just this purpose. This IS the way!

What regs & mandates are you referring to that represent "TOO many".?

You can't name any regs & mandates because you have no idea. You're just throwing that out there because you want people to give up. You don't want to improve the problem of forcing people to buy private health insurance. You just want to attack the plan, and discourage people.

I'm saying we can & must fight within our individual states. YOU have said we can't do it. YOU are suggesting we give up. Not me

I guess you think they should just give up. We can put the private health insurance corps out of business. But not if we think it's too difficult. It WILL be hard, but we MUST fight for the people! We must be bold, and courageous. Protests, boycotts. Nez'pas?