Hellodoes anyone connect to these two families? The Botolf Rasmussen in the census first below was the father of my Grgr grandfatherBottolf Bottolfsen. Botolf Rasmussen and Margit Nilsdatter were the unmarried parents of Bottolf Bottolfsen who was raised with his mother, and stepfather and step siblings. (see second census info)

1801 Census, Buskerud Co. Lunder annex to Norderhaug(Bottolf Bottolfsen's mother Margit and his step siblings from his mother's first marriage and child by second marriage)

(Norderhov) parish, Oure farm: Mikkel Eriksen, farmer, 41 his first marriage Margit Nilsdatter, 47, his wife, her second marriage Hans Endresen (Endresson), her son, 20, single Gjertrud Endresdatter, her daughter, 17 Kari Endresdatter, her daughter, 13 Bottolf Bottolfsen (Bottolfsson), her son born out of wedlock, 5 years old Åse Mikkelsdatter, their daughter 4 years old

I would like to know the fate of the members of both of these families.I have most of the information on Bottolf Bottolfsen, his marriage and children and their immigration to the USA. But I know nothing of Bottolf Bottolfsen's parents or his step siblings.I would appreciate anything I could get on any of the people shown in this message.It is a tangled web as you can see.Please contact me atconnierl@pionet.netthank youConnie Bottolfsen Loftus

Hellodoes anyone connect to these two families? The Botolf Rasmussen in the census first below was the father of my Grgr grandfatherBottolf Bottolfsen. Botolf Rasmussen and Margit Nilsdatter were the unmarried parents of Bottolf Bottolfsen who was raised with his mother, and stepfather and step siblings. (see second census info)

There is more data on the children if you are interested. She appears in Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants to the United States, a Biographical Directory 1825-1850, Volume 2, pg 370 arriving on the Elizabeth Bruce which landed in New York on 12 Aug 1846.

Apparently there will be "dueling" experts on this family as Naeseth has 4 children on the Elizabeth Bruce and has identified a different birthdate for Gunhild's husband.

There are about ten Family Trees on Ancestry.com for Botolf Rasmusen, half with Margit Nilsdatter and the other half with Ragne Knutsdatter as spouse. Many photos and stories with the Trees.

There are about 15 or more Family Trees on Ancestry.com for Gunhild Cornelia Botolfsdatter Haugen, again a lot of photos, stories and sources for this person and other members of the family.

If you have a subscription to Ancestry there is a wealth of information avaliable.

Reply author: lyndal40Replied on: 10/02/2014 23:51:42Message:

The Elizabeth Bruce is listed on Ancestry.com as arriving on Aug 11, 1846 with 193 passengers. Looking over the passenger list I can not see any passengers that fit the group of Gunhild and her three children?

Reply author: jkmarlerReplied on: 11/02/2014 00:41:35Message:

quote:Originally posted by lyndal40

The Elizabeth Bruce is listed on Ancestry.com as arriving on Aug 11, 1846 with 193 passengers. Looking over the passenger list I can not see any passengers that fit the group of Gunhild and her three children?

In Naeseth's Gunhild is transcribed on the list as "Runel Bridrater, 50 m". Her son Tollef is transcribed as "C Bridrater, 21 f", son Bottolf as "Brittloz Bridrater, 18 m", the missing child Ole as "Ole Bridrater, 15, m" and the daughter Gunhild as "Kusol Bridrater, 13 m". All of which adds up to a very strange mish-mash of facts, names and sexes. The sources listed for this family in Naeseth's are the parish records of Nes, Buskerud; the Luther Valley Lutheran Church records of Rock county, Wisconsin; 1860 & 1880 census of Wisconsin; Jordan Lutheran cemetery; Mrs. John A. Peterson and Mrs. L.A. Berg.

Gunild Bottolfsdatter also has a brother named Rasmus Bottolfson who came to America and is also on Sigmund Sevre's list.

Rasmus was baptized 5 Sept 1802 while the family was on Kolsrudeie.He married 9 Jan 1831 to Christi Olsdatter. They left in 1861 from Ovestrud (Åvestrud) and settled near Belgrade, Minnesota and were members of Big Grove Lutheran Church near there.

Reply author: lyndal40Replied on: 11/02/2014 17:42:12Message:

quote:In Naeseth's Gunhild is transcribed on the list as "Runel Bridrater, 50 m

Here is how Ancestry.com indexes the five people you referrede to above.

The compilation of multiple pastoral records, a sexton's record book, the 60th anniversary history of Big Grove Lutheran church by Henry A. Baalson, cemetery superintendent, has this information about Rasmus Bottolfson:

"Died Jan 7, 1873, age 65 years; Burial rites June 3, 1873; Born 1805. Died in the great blizzard of 1873."

Age varies but reasonably certain this is your Rasmus.

There are several pages which contain details of "The Great Blizzard of 1873."It is reported in several newspapers as occurring 4 -7 Jan 1873 with about 70 deaths in Minnesota.

She's probably just looking for distant cousins who might have done research and posting her email for their benefit. Otherwise, I think she'd be more specific about the research goal, and she would have updated her 11-year-old query. Work you're doing will benefit somebody out there sometime. Just saying the OP might not return.

Reply author: jkmarlerReplied on: 14/02/2014 21:21:28Message:

Perhaps you are correct that the poster only wants to entertain her immediate kith & kin to respond and that is certainly her prerogative. My prerogative is that the poster "er Halling" and so I have put up a bit of information and links to assist a possibly unknown cousin of mine. Hallingdal is very small area and virtually everyone there is a cousin of one degree or another the farther back in time you go....

Thank you to all those who have posted information here, so much new good information. and YES I need all the help I can get. I have posted a lot on Find A Grave for both Bottolfsen and Bottolfson, some families use both spellings in the same document, but all are related. My grandfather Magnus Bottolfsen always said he knew he had cousins in Minn and Wisc, but could not remember their names and now we are beginning to find out about them. I am wondering if Rasmus Bottolfsen married and had children.will start a search for him. I do not subscribe to Ancestry at this point and I have decided that when I do, I will have to have the time to use my subscription time fully and not be distracted by other demands in my life.

I am so grateful to all of you for any info you have posted and you can feel free to email me directly.connierl@longlines.com

thank you again

Reply author: connierlReplied on: 16/02/2014 05:15:44Message:

quote:Originally posted by jkmarler

quote:Originally posted by connierl

Hellodoes anyone connect to these two families? The Botolf Rasmussen in the census first below was the father of my Grgr grandfatherBottolf Bottolfsen. Botolf Rasmussen and Margit Nilsdatter were the unmarried parents of Bottolf Bottolfsen who was raised with his mother, and stepfather and step siblings. (see second census info)

There is more data on the children if you are interested. She appears in Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants to the United States, a Biographical Directory 1825-1850, Volume 2, pg 370 arriving on the Elizabeth Bruce which landed in New York on 12 Aug 1846.

Apparently there will be "dueling" experts on this family as Naeseth has 4 children on the Elizabeth Bruce and has identified a different birthdate for Gunhild's husband.

In Norway Gunhild would always be her father's child so she is a Bottolfsdatter. But in America things were done differently so women gave up their names & change to their husband's name. It's good that its on her stone to help us out.

Narve Eriksen Bottolfshus, 33 years (s Aurdal); father Erik Knudsen Prestbakken, s Aurdal; born 18 Feb 1825; came to Flå, taking over Grøslandsøen; came on Askur, from Drammen to Quebec to his father-in-law; first in Monroe Wisconsin in 1867 and together with in-laws went more west, homesteading at St. Cloud, Minn.about 1869; 13 children, 6 born in US; married 26 Mar 1853:

Son Erik Narvesen Bottolfshus b. 13 Mar 1863 may have gone by Erickson in US; married Ingeborg Trostheim, (who may be on the list as 18-83 but she is not found at that number?); mentioned in Hallingen September 1980 pg 5

Son Rasmus Narvesen Bottolfshus Erickson b. 25 Feb 1865, member of Big Grove Lutheran Church of Belgrade, Minn.; not named in Hallingen June 1921-978 but is mentioned Hallingen March 1989, pg 30

Pg 6510-70 Ole Halgrimsen Tromalseie used Halgrimson in US; born 22 July 1852; parents Halgrim Olsen Solumeie (14-76 on list) & Ingeborg Olsd; came on Scotia; married Thora Narvesd Bottolfshus; member of Big Grove Lutheran by 1867? Year not certain; siblings who also came 16-76, 17-76, 18-76, 18a-76

Reply author: eibacheReplied on: 16/02/2014 16:33:37Message:

Rasmus Bottolfsen who married Christi Olsdatter was the 3rd Rasmus of Bottolf Rasmussen and Ragne Knudsdatter, Kolsrud, #93.BTW their daughter Ragne is #75.

Reply author: jkmarlerReplied on: 16/02/2014 17:34:46Message:

quote:Originally posted by eibache

Rasmus Bottolfsen who married Christi Olsdatter was the 3rd Rasmus of Bottolf Rasmussen and Ragne Knudsdatter, Kolsrud, #93.BTW their daughter Ragne is #75.

Which may explain why there appears to be a variety of birthdates reported for him in other records, 1805, etc.

In the case of Ragna Rasmusdtr above with her 2 birthdates, 25 Feb is reported on the baptism and 25 Jan is reported on her confirmation.

Reply author: connierlReplied on: 16/02/2014 18:15:17Message:

This book has been quoted for quite a lot of this info:"Sigmund Sevre's list Emigranter fra Nes "how does a person obtain this book, is it possibly digitized on the internet?Once again, thank you to all for the wealth of information.

The Hallinglag of America has a copy in their collection. If you want copies ewrite me via norwayheritage system and we can make arrangements.

Reply author: connierlReplied on: 17/02/2014 04:03:31Message:

quote:Originally posted by jkmarler

[quote]Originally posted by eibache

Rasmus Bottolfsen who married Christi Olsdatter was the 3rd Rasmus of Bottolf Rasmussen and Ragne Knudsdatter, Kolsrud, #93.BTW their daughter Ragne is #75.

Which may explain why there appears to be a variety of birthdates reported for him in other records, 1805, etc.

Connie's reply to previous:I have now found all 3 Rasmus Bottolfsen's Bapt records on Family Search#1 Rasmus Bottolfsen Bapt 17 May 1801#2 Rasmus Bottolfsen Bapt 5 Sept 1802#3 Rasmus Bottolfsen (the one who survived) Bapt 10 May 1807Number three then will be the one who immigrated.all three have the correct parents.now will look for death records for #1 and #2

Thank you for the death and burial info for Rasmus, I had noticed that he was probably a twin to Elie and that she had probably died too as there was a second Ellie. born 8 Sept 1813.thanks again

Reply author: connierlReplied on: 22/02/2014 04:00:00Message:

Wife of Bottolf BottolfsenI have been trying for many years to find info for Marthe Marie Andersdatter Heieren.

This is what I know:Marriagerecords: Oppland County, Haug annex to Norderhov(Norderhoug) Parish. 31 March 1823:Batchelor Bottolf Bottolfsen (Bottolfsson) Heieren,age 32and spinster Marthe Mari Andersdatter Heieren, age24.Witnesses: Even Hansen(Hansson) Heieren and MadsJensen(Jensson) Sandsetrud No parents listed on MarriageIt has been said that Marthe was from Hole.and birth date April 7, 1796 from date on marriage record birth would be cira 1799.spelling of Marthe differs from place to place.wanting to find her parents and siblings.

Reply author: connierlReplied on: 22/02/2014 04:53:52Message:

I was under the impression that it was Buskerud County.I believe Opland County is incorrect.Bottolf Bottolfsen and Marthe Marie Andersdatter's first son Anders was born before they married. Anders born Nov 11, 1822 he was bapt April 1, 1823. sponsors were Even Hansen Berget, Hans Hansen Berget and Marthe Berget, and Kari Andersdatter Hurum, ( I believe Kari is Marthe's sister)Son Anders died as an infant.

another clue may be the sponsors for bapt of Second son, Niels Bottolfsen born June 22, 1826 and bapt July 30 1826. sponsors Gullich Helgesen, Anders Christophersen Wee, Ingeborg Wexal, Olea and Berthe Sørum.

there are so many names and except for Kari Andersdatter Hurum, I can't relate any to Marthe Andersdatter.

Reply author: jkmarlerReplied on: 22/02/2014 05:05:00Message:

Well, I checked Heieren in the Ringerikske Slekter III and there was an Anders Kristiansen who was the son of the owner Kristian Syversen b. 1792 in Modum d. in Norderhov in 1850 who married Kirsti Andersdatter Heieren in 1814 (she was the younger sister of the deceased brother's owner's wife Eli Andersdatter Drolshammer). The 2 sons mentioned are Syver Kristiansen who eventually got Heieren and Anders Kristiansen who got Tronrud. Not much on Anders' family but Syver's is carried out in the text, but don't know if your Marthe figures in in some way or not with Eli Andersdatter or Anders Kristiansen.

But Hole is a very good place to be from these days as the new Hole bygdebøker are online and searchable, so you can search for her in it. Big, big file, be patient.

And a number of baptisms from Hole are indexed in the Norway Baptisms at familysearch.org

Hurum is farm in Hole, Sørum is farm in Hole, Wexel in Norderhov

Reply author: jkmarlerReplied on: 22/02/2014 06:59:28Message:

quote:Originally posted by connierl

Anders born Nov 11, 1822 he was bapt April 1, 1823. sponsors were Even Hansen Berget, Hans Hansen Berget and Marthe Berget, and Kari Andersdatter Hurum, ( I believe Kari is Marthe's sister)Son Anders died as an infant.

Even Hansen Berget & Hans Hansen Berget are the sons of Hans Evensen Heieren (who was working lope 192 called Berget). Hans Evensen (in 1804) and his full brother Anders Evensen (in 1796) each got part of the farm (Lille Heieren) from their father Even Olsen. Anders Evensen worked his part for about 5 years. Anders was on Festningen under Hole gaard in Modum and he died there in February 1801. His estate was filed or settled on 14 July 1802. He was survived by widow Kari Henriksdatter and in 1807 she sells her son Ole Andersen Festningen, his father's part of Lillie Heieren. No other children are mentioned but it's at least possible there could be a Marte in this family. It might be worthwhile to look for the family in Modum in the 1801 census and in the estate settlement record.

So if your Marte is this Marthe then Even Hansen and Hans Hansen are first cousins to her and Kari Andersdatter Hurum is likely the sister as you surmised.

Reply author: jkmarlerReplied on: 22/02/2014 14:20:32Message:

quote:Originally posted by connierl

Anders born Nov 11, 1822 he was bapt April 1, 1823. sponsors were Even Hansen Berget, Hans Hansen Berget and Marthe Berget, and Kari Andersdatter Hurum, ( I believe Kari is Marthe's sister)Son Anders died as an infant.

another clue may be the sponsors for bapt of Second son, Niels Bottolfsen born June 22, 1826 and bapt July 30 1826. sponsors Gullich Helgesen, Anders Christophersen Wee, Ingeborg Wexal, Olea and Berthe Sørum.

pg 478Christofer Olsen Wexhal was born 1746 and was married to Kari born on Lerberg and died in the fall of 1791. Christofer and Kari had 4 known children 2 boys, 2 girls. in 1805 the eldest daughter Anne Marie Wexhal got half of Wexhal and the other half in 1813.went to Kari's son Ole Christofersen Wexhal. Anne Marie was born in 1780 and married 1803 Elling Eriksen Bergsund, no children; next Anne Marie married Iver Gulbrandsen Lunder and they had 3 children Ingeborg, Christofer & Iver who all married and lived on Wexhal Anne Marie m 3rd to Anders Ellingson Røsby and had no children with him.

pg 480Ingeborg Iversdatter d. 1878 married Ole Hansen (it doesn't give him a farm of origin) d. in 1875. They had 3 children one of whom was named Iver Olson Wexhal. Iver Olsen d. 1896 aged abt 60 years (so he can't be your Iver Wexhal)

Reply author: connierlReplied on: 22/02/2014 17:33:22Message:

My goodness you are good with the Norway records, that is my downfall, I have trouble navigating and finging the correct records. Will get better as I surf around more.,thank you for all the good info, I have my work cut out for me now.

Reply author: connierlReplied on: 23/02/2014 00:35:31Message:

I think I may have found Marthe Andersdatter, if these are her parents, the mother Karen makes sense because Bottolf and Marthe Andersdatter Bottolfsen had a daughter Karen born Jan 11, 1833I have never found the birth or bapt records.here is what was on Family Search, among thousands of others:father: Anders Evensenmother: Karen HenricsdrName-Marthe Maria AndersdatterGender-FemaleEvent Date-12 Mar 1797Event Place-MODUM, BUSKERUD, NORWAYBirth Date-07 Mar 1797Father's Name-Anders EvensenMother's Name-Karen Henricsdr Indexing Project (Batch) Number-C42854-3System Origin-Norway-VRGS Film number-124044Reference ID-2:1L07TGFNow to prove this is my Marthe!!!!

Reply author: jkmarlerReplied on: 23/02/2014 01:04:36Message:

Having looked at a fair number of parish registers I can tell you having two names Marthe and Marie will cut down the number of other possibles. It's unusual to have more than one first name in these areas in in Buskerud.

Keep doing as you have done, picking up all the faddernes. Interesting her father is listed as Anders Evensen Hole. So she may or may not have come from or lived in Hole the parish but was from Hole the farm in Modum.

does this tell me that he is a widower for the 2nd time and is living in his own cottage and is self sufficient??I have a Norwegian/English dictionary, but it does not clearly tell me the definitions of these words.