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Take Compton/LA areas. The hispanic gangs have the black gangs running scared right now and the hispanic gangs are slashers by and large using guns
very infrequently. The brutality of the blade is turning the war for territory in the hispanic gangs favor.

But you likely wont read any of this because the last thing ideologically anti-gun people want is to save lives and reduce crime.

Do you have a source for this? Would be interested to read further into it, thanks.

I am not saying gang members are all fine, just that it is not black and white. I employed some ex con gang members back when business was booming.
Joining a gang just doesn't make you auto garbage as many think.

I can remember back to when I was a kid, being angry and thinking my father didn't care about me because he could never be there to see my baseball
or hockey games. I realize now, after working beside him all these years just how mistaken I was. I can imagine the kind of thoughts males with no
father figure at all can be thinking.

Sounds to me like you are pretty stongminded, I am not sure I would have been able to do it.

Sounds like you don't know much at all about it...... Gangs originated in the US? No, lots of the gangs active in the US, originated elsewhere, and
came to the US through immigration... The US has a few gangs originating there, but I know of plenty that came from other countries. Italy, cuba,
lots of latin american countries, ireland etc etc.

I wasn't referring to traditional organized crime but to what is commonly referred to as street gangs.

It is possible that having my father around is what kept me in line. He is a very head strong man and did not hesitate to go upside my head when I
got out of line. He cares, I probably take that for granted, I forget many other males do not have that.

inb4 "she should have been packing an MP14" / "if she were corralled by a SWAT team she'd have been okay" / "bad guys can get guns from the 'bad guy
gun shop' and will bypass any possible checks or balances in place to stop them" / "the tyrannical government... herp derp, hee haw, kissing cousins"
/ "ban cars and Lego coz they can kill, too" / "from our cold, dead brains" /

Originally posted by jimmiec
It seems to me that gangs=terrorists. They should pass some legislation to consider them terrorists and round them up. They know who they are. They
have tattoo's that identify them as being members of a particular gang. They even have their own TV show. Gangs are a good reason to own and carry a
gun in large cities. If they want fewer guns in America they should do something about the gangs. Instead they point to the gang culture as a reason
to disarm America. This reasoning is fatally flawed.

Not only do they know who they are but the cops routinely round up known violent members for little chit-chats about stopping the violence then just
let them walk out the door.

Either it's a whole lot harder to convict somebody than I ever thought or there is a concerted effort to avoid the gang problem that goes all the way
up to the FBI.

The authorities could convict most known gang members under the RICO act. They choose not to do this for a number of reasons. Primarily gangs = big
business for the legal system, the authorities who help to arm and supply them with their contraband, and politicians who need boogeymen to be
reelected.

TPTB will use the poor to victimize the middle class so that the middle class will give up their rights in the name of safety. Police are pretty much
useless for anything other than speed deterrents and tax collectors for the municipality. They show up after crimes have been committed and seldom do
anything preventive and that's if they are not corrupt. The city I live in had to disband their narcotics task force because of corruption, now drug
labs spring up constantly here.

MLK was completely right about the war on poverty. It is the root cause of much of this however the socialist power grab is not the answer.

I thought the predictive propaganda in the movie Looper was interesting and very telling. The US is a criminal haven and cesspool with no jobs or
economy while the east becomes a rising stable power this is what is slated for America. Neo-feudalist state of
warlords/crimelords/oligarchs/corporations running things while the average Joe fights for survival on the streets.

Originally posted by CristobalColonic
inb4 "she should have been packing an MP14" / "if she were corralled by a SWAT team she'd have been okay" / "bad guys can get guns from the
'bad guy gun shop' and will bypass any possible checks or balances in place to stop them" / "the tyrannical government... herp derp, hee haw,
kissing cousins" / "ban cars and Lego coz they can kill, too" / "from our cold, dead brains" /

edit on 31-1-2013 by CristobalColonic because: (no reason given)

Wow... dead brains, you say?

What on earth are you blathering about? In no part of your rambling, incoherent post, did you even come close to a rational thought.

Originally posted by CristobalColonic
inb4 "she should have been packing an MP14" / "if she were corralled by a SWAT team she'd have been okay" / "bad guys can get guns from the
'bad guy gun shop' and will bypass any possible checks or balances in place to stop them" / "the tyrannical government... herp derp, hee haw,
kissing cousins" / "ban cars and Lego coz they can kill, too" / "from our cold, dead brains" /

edit on 31-1-2013 by CristobalColonic because: (no reason given)

Wow... dead brains, you say?

What on earth are you blathering about? In no part of your rambling, incoherent post, did you even come close to a rational thought.

Put it to you this way. I would first walk around with about 20lbs of gold chains on me, badly drunk, in a huge tourist Mexican hat and Hawaiian shirt
in Tiajuana Mexico before "visiting" Chicago....

Everything I see from there seems awful.....just terrible...

edit on 30-1-2013 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given)

I've spent hundreds of hours walking through Chicago. Generally, you want to stay away from the areas the cops don't go to. If you do that, there's
no more to worry about than if you were walking the streets of Pleasantville in Utopia county. It's unfortunate that the "bad" neighborhoods are as
bad as they are, but just as unfortunate that such a great city is besmirched by the many few who have no respect for human life.

Very sad. If she were carrying a gun herself though, she'd be OK. Right? Isn't that the argument against gun control? A hand gun should be
issued to every new born, right there in the delivery room. Thet way, no one will ever die from gun viloence again. Right? Probelm solved.

you mean Brazil-style circa 92'? Yeah, and have all the gangsters start shooting the cops in return.

Yep, this right here. I think about the horrible situation in Brazil often; street kids in favelas who have a choice of either stealing or starving to
death get murdered by the police. You wouldn't believe that some children join up in gangs for the sole reason of having a gun to shoot back at
murderous cops with, and as a condition they gotta slang there quota of dope.

Although alot of gangs are pretty savage and horrible in some areas, if you look into gang culture in Brazil, you would see that alot of gangs
were/are organized and disciplined militias that inflicted no harm on neighborhood residents, gave a cut of the drug profits to the neighborhood for
help with whatever, and were armed for the sole reason of taking on enemy gangs and worse off, military cops who beat/ tortured/killed anybody in the
favelas who didn't pay up. Even worse, from time to time police would go on slum massacres, shooting any and everybody in the area for under the
guise of them being complicit with the gang.

Originally posted by CristobalColonic
inb4 "she should have been packing an MP14" / "if she were corralled by a SWAT team she'd have been okay" / "bad guys can get guns from the
'bad guy gun shop' and will bypass any possible checks or balances in place to stop them" / "the tyrannical government... herp derp, hee haw,
kissing cousins" / "ban cars and Lego coz they can kill, too" / "from our cold, dead brains" /

edit on 31-1-2013 by CristobalColonic because: (no reason given)

Wow... dead brains, you say?

What on earth are you blathering about? In no part of your rambling, incoherent post, did you even come close to a rational thought.

Put it to you this way. I would first walk around with about 20lbs of gold chains on me, badly drunk, in a huge tourist Mexican hat and Hawaiian shirt
in Tiajuana Mexico before "visiting" Chicago....

Everything I see from there seems awful.....just terrible...

edit on 30-1-2013 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given)

I've spent hundreds of hours walking through Chicago. Generally, you want to stay away from the areas the cops don't go to. If you do that, there's
no more to worry about than if you were walking the streets of Pleasantville in Utopia county. It's unfortunate that the "bad" neighborhoods are as
bad as they are, but just as unfortunate that such a great city is besmirched by the many few who have no respect for human life.

I have visited Chicago a couple of times. Had great fun both times. Chicago has a wonderful and robust arts scene - theater, art museums, etc.

I've told my story a couple of times on this site, about my husband and I taking the buses around Chicago to save money. We got lost looking for a
bus-stop in an all black neighborhood. Got on the bus filled with black people ... who were totally nice, friendly and gracious to us tourist white
folks.

Spzna1, i'm happy to know that you have been able to work hard and help your family flourish, and that your wife was able to care for the little ones
at home until they were old enough to look after themselves for a few hours after school. It's hard to do, especially in some areas of the globe,
being that people are denied the fair amount of attention and resources to help facilitate the growth and well-being of a strong family.

If you talk to any former gangsters or criminals locked up in prison in this country, what would they tell you? I grew up in (insert hood here), we
didn't have no libraries or community centers like in nice neighborhoods,moms was working too hard but it didn't help none, daddy was never around
from being to busy doing the same things i'm locked in here for, all the other kids were making alot of money and getting respect and on and on and
on.

Luckily you stayed on the straight and narrow in order to make it happen for the fams, and wifey stayed home for some years; that would give the
children a better sense of respect and unity for both you and other people around them. But the truth is no matter what parents do, the kids WILL
eventually have to head outside for most of the day, leaving it up to them to discern from right and wrong. Someone above said we all have choice in
what we do, and kids who decide to join gangs having no one to blame but themselves. That is true to an extent, but must realize that it is proven
that some people turn out to be an unfortunate product of their environment. Some do pull out of it and achieve what they want, and they are put on
T.V. and displayed to everyone, claiming that ultimately, everyone has a fair chance, and failure is their fault alone. But that just isn't true.

What makes poor Somali fishermen grab AK'S and RPG's, and head out to see to pirate the sh** out of any ship happening by? Giant European fishing
corporations ignoring a villages sovereign rights to it's own water's and gobbling up all the fish, thereby cutting them off from there livelihood.
Although the situation discussed here is different , this is a prime example of action/reaction.

Take Compton/LA areas. The hispanic gangs have the black gangs running scared right now and the hispanic gangs are slashers by and large using guns
very infrequently. The brutality of the blade is turning the war for territory in the hispanic gangs favor.

But you likely wont read any of this because the last thing ideologically anti-gun people want is to save lives and reduce crime.

Do you have a source for this? Would be interested to read further into it, thanks.

A recent piece: [url=http://A Latino gang is intimidating blacks into leaving the city that was once an African American enclave. It's part of a
violent trend seen in other parts of the L.A. area.articles.latimes.com...

As far as preferring blades, it has been a trademark of many of the hispanic gangs for a very long time not just in CA but everywhere they are
present: [url=http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/2012/08/report-mexican-gangs-on-the-rise-in-brighton-beachMexican gangs prefer machetes, knives, ice
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