I don't get the takes Barry is a dictator. I see him as a weak executive if anything.

So stop cutting and pasting and bring it. Convince me. Beacause until you do I think you are fuckin' idiots. So convince me he has a dictatorial secret agenda. Don't tell me you don't like a progressive tax policy or hate government, make sense.

And I don't mean by posting pablum that you disagree with policy. I mean that he's going Hitler in the late 20's / early 30's.

So we can't post funny images anymore? No Obama isn't Hitler/Stalin/il Duce, but those guys had many supporters here in the States. Now as their atrocities grew, and became more clearly reported, those who supported them typically jumped ship, although at varying points.

Obama, IMO, would have been one of those supporters, but no, he is in no way one of those monsters. I would find it near immpossible to create one of those in America no matter what each sides extremists proclaim. We are far to open a society, with too many varying points of view. Those POV's are protected, even the crazy Obama=Hitler ones, and that retards the kind of populist fervor that leads to dictatorship.

All IMO.

As for pablum, Obama did have an insane and unhealthy amount of blind faith put into him by those who supported him. His policies are... Oh, you didn't want all this stuff!

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

"i've been gettin G-ed up since i came out the hospital as a baby. i didn't wear pampers, i wore some slacks and some gators on the way home.""in order for us to grow u gotta know, in order to love the brotherman, u gotta know the otherman. because one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish. knick knack paddy wack, give the dog a bone." - Delonte West

JB wrote:I don't get the takes Barry is a dictator. I see him as a weak executive if anything.

I'm glad you added that to your post, because that has been my thoughts/feeling from pre-election till now. He likes to jet set and canoodle with foreign leaders but I don't get the world dictator vibe from that. I get the opposite, almost like he's trying too hard to wear the daddy pants. It's still early in the game, and he's got 3 more years at least to cement his legacy, but right now I see more empty suit than iron fist.

"Dammit you piss me off. I f#ckin hate you and I hope you f#cking get killed by a rabid polar bear you douche bag."

"i've been gettin G-ed up since i came out the hospital as a baby. i didn't wear pampers, i wore some slacks and some gators on the way home.""in order for us to grow u gotta know, in order to love the brotherman, u gotta know the otherman. because one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish. knick knack paddy wack, give the dog a bone." - Delonte West

I love this leftist professor's take on Obama. Of course, I think the best criticism of Obama comes from the left, not the right. My favorite excerpt:

* He does not lead. Americans, especially in times of crisis, want their daddy-president to pick a point on the horizon and lead them to it. Often - especially in the short term - they don't even care that much which point it is. They will happily follow a president whose policies they oppose if he will but lead.

* And if he will demonstrate some conviction. I have never seen a president so utterly lacking in passion. This man literally doesn't even seem to care about himself, let alone this or that policy issue. He doesn't seem to have any strong opinions on anything, a sure prescription for presidential failure.

* He has therefore let Congress ‘lead' on nearly every issue, another surefire mistake. Instead of demanding that they pass real stimulus legislation - which would have really stimulated the economy, big-time, and right now - he let those dickheads on the Hill just load up a big pork party blivet of a bill with all the pet projects they could find, designed purely to benefit their personal standing with the voters at home, rather than to actually produce jobs for Americans. And on health care, his signature issue, he did the same thing. "You guys write it, and I'll sign the check." Could there possibly be a greater prescription for failure than allowing a bunch of the most venal people on the planet to cobble together a 2,000 page monstrosity that entirely serves their interests and those of the people whose campaign bribes put them in office?

jfiling wrote:I love this leftist professor's take on Obama. Of course, I think the best criticism of Obama comes from the left, not the right. My favorite excerpt:

* He does not lead. Americans, especially in times of crisis, want their daddy-president to pick a point on the horizon and lead them to it. Often - especially in the short term - they don't even care that much which point it is. They will happily follow a president whose policies they oppose if he will but lead.

* And if he will demonstrate some conviction. I have never seen a president so utterly lacking in passion. This man literally doesn't even seem to care about himself, let alone this or that policy issue. He doesn't seem to have any strong opinions on anything, a sure prescription for presidential failure.

* He has therefore let Congress ‘lead' on nearly every issue, another surefire mistake. Instead of demanding that they pass real stimulus legislation - which would have really stimulated the economy, big-time, and right now - he let those dickheads on the Hill just load up a big pork party blivet of a bill with all the pet projects they could find, designed purely to benefit their personal standing with the voters at home, rather than to actually produce jobs for Americans. And on health care, his signature issue, he did the same thing. "You guys write it, and I'll sign the check." Could there possibly be a greater prescription for failure than allowing a bunch of the most venal people on the planet to cobble together a 2,000 page monstrosity that entirely serves their interests and those of the people whose campaign bribes put them in office?

"i've been gettin G-ed up since i came out the hospital as a baby. i didn't wear pampers, i wore some slacks and some gators on the way home.""in order for us to grow u gotta know, in order to love the brotherman, u gotta know the otherman. because one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish. knick knack paddy wack, give the dog a bone." - Delonte West

The problem with presidential politics (and the two party system) is that you have to run on lies. You cannot present who you REALLY are. If you appeal too much to your base, you will lose the middle. If you appeal too much to the middle, you will not energize your base.

Democratic presidents get in a bind because they have to run as centrists (if they want to win), but still pay lip service to all the fringe groups (enviromentalists, gays, socialists) because you need their vote too. Once they get in office, they (Clinton and Obama) still dictate policy from the center and then quickly get crucified by their fringe groups. They take a hit in the polls, which the Right feeds upon and then they lose support the (right-leaning) independents.

I still think Obama is the best campaigner of our generation. Tireless, smart and knows how to avoid pitfalls of getting backed into a corner. I find it hard to believe he will lose in 2012. Unless we hit a double dip recession.

I just want to know why he chooses to use teleprompters when giving speech to elementary school children?

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Clearly [Obama's] got to be a part of it, and obviously, as only a president can do, he has the ability to bring us all together," Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), told Roll Call. "That's what presidents do."

Asked if he expects the president to chart a way forward on health care in his upcoming State of the Union address, Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) told Talking Points Memo:

"I doubt if he does, I don't think he'll do a procedural thing. I don't think he will engage in process... Everybody had opinions about what the President should do [vis-a-vis the Senate and particular senators]," Brown added. "But he ain't bitin'.

Wednesday is big, Barry. Don't F it up. The worst part of this entire thing is now it's a pissing contest. Who has the bigger dick. No longer is it about what is best for the country.

Erie Warrior wrote:Wednesday is big, Barry. Don't F it up. The worst part of this entire thing is now it's a pissing contest. Who has the bigger dick. No longer is it about what is best for the country.

Wednesday is not big. A majority of the country fell for his bullshit back in November. That's all that the man has going for him, his oratory ability. He will blind a vast majority of the country again with his rhetoric on Wednesday.

What is important is if he makes a real effort to do what he says he will on Wednesday. He has already failed to deliver with what he said during the campaign and after his inauguration. If he fails again with what he spews on Wednesday, he'll really be facing a battle.

My prediction: The same thing will happen that happened in November/January. The country bought in to all the hype and was disappointed with the result. I expect the exact same.

A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe

Disagree. With all the votes in the house and the senate, Dems are pressuring him force the health care through as is. Enforce the will of the left, reenergize the voter base. If he doesn't, he'll be a failure. The GOP may want the same thing to happen. Helps their cause as well. Easy to say "we are not Obama" (sounds familiar, but insert Bush {no dick jokes, please}) on the campaign trail to add more votes to the legislature at midterms.

If he tries to meet in the middle, he'll be viewed wishy-washy, because that may kill the entire thing. I'd like to hear him say fuck the red/ blue crap, we're up to our neck in shit and this is what I'm going to insist happens to get us out (insert plan here).

I'm getting sick of the "I told you so" stance from both sides. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Each side has very different solutions, so it just won't work that way. Even the fringe groups have their solutions. Moving to the middle is his only hope. The country is center-right and doing anything but the middle is swimming upriver. Populism will be a non-starter...

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Obama has been a pussy when it comes to getting shit done. All this nonsense about "60 votes" is absurd and it's a hurdle he placed in his own path. Fuck this compromise shit, they didn't play by the 60 vote rule, why should we?

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Obama has been a pussy when it comes to getting shit done. All this nonsense about "60 votes" is absurd and it's a hurdle he placed in his own path. Fuck this compromise shit, they didn't play by the 60 vote rule, why should we?

they didn't? Bush had judges blocked over the threat of filibuster. The problem is if you dont play by the rules and you circumvent it at some point that party will be out of power and become essentially irrelevant. The benefit of the filibuster is that hopefully it causes them to come together, however that hasnt come to fruition nor is it looking like it will happen. You have to ask yourself if you would feel comfortable with Mitch McConnell running the senate with a majority and democrats dont have a prayer of stopping anything. That is why they will play by the rules, they are smart enough to realize they wont always be in power.

What I think would be humorous is to actually make them filibuster. Get some dumbass up there reading the phone book or something. At least if they are doing that they cant be voting to screw something else up.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Obama has been a pussy when it comes to getting shit done. All this nonsense about "60 votes" is absurd and it's a hurdle he placed in his own path. Fuck this compromise shit, they didn't play by the 60 vote rule, why should we?

Obama's problem is simple. Tunnel vision. All he is worried about is passing national health care to cement his legacy. There are other problems in this country than the uninsured, and all of them take the 3rd row seat in 8-passenger van with Obama.

Something comes up, like the asshole terrorist or the escalation in Afghanistan, and he makes a snap judgment, a quick speech, and then it's back to health care.

Multi-tasking is essential in that office. Something he might have learned had he had the prior experience it should take to be President.

A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe

I really think Obama should reinvent himself during this second year in power. I feel he missed the boat, so to speak, with regard to connecting with a portion of the American people. Since he likes to talk about himself:

I was thinking he should adopt the Rock's schtick from the WWE and in his speeches do a little sumptin' sumptin' like this: "my fellow Americans, it's time for the republicans to shut their pieholes, blah blah blah, blah ..............if ya smelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll......what Barack..............................is cookin'

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Obama has been a pussy when it comes to getting shit done. All this nonsense about "60 votes" is absurd and it's a hurdle he placed in his own path. Fuck this compromise shit, they didn't play by the 60 vote rule, why should we?

Obama's problem is simple. Tunnel vision. All he is worried about is passing national health care to cement his legacy. There are other problems in this country than the uninsured, and all of them take the 3rd row seat in 8-passenger van with Obama.

Something comes up, like the asshole terrorist or the escalation in Afghanistan, and he makes a snap judgment, a quick speech, and then it's back to health care.

Multi-tasking is essential in that office. Something he might have learned had he had the prior experience it should take to be President.

Adan, you can't boil the ocean.

Do you really dig the causal connection that health care has to the macro economy and government entitlement spedning and the budget?

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Obama has been a pussy when it comes to getting shit done. All this nonsense about "60 votes" is absurd and it's a hurdle he placed in his own path. Fuck this compromise shit, they didn't play by the 60 vote rule, why should we?

they didn't? Bush had judges blocked over the threat of filibuster. The problem is if you dont play by the rules and you circumvent it at some point that party will be out of power and become essentially irrelevant. The benefit of the filibuster is that hopefully it causes them to come together, however that hasnt come to fruition nor is it looking like it will happen. You have to ask yourself if you would feel comfortable with Mitch McConnell running the senate with a majority and democrats dont have a prayer of stopping anything. That is why they will play by the rules, they are smart enough to realize they wont always be in power.

What I think would be humorous is to actually make them filibuster. Get some dumbass up there reading the phone book or something. At least if they are doing that they cant be voting to screw something else up.

Not to be a wet blanket or anything....any GDP growth is a good thing...but the 5.7 number is said to be a bit of a "false positive", with 3.3% of that 5.7% attributable to inventory drawdowns and restocking....as opposed to new production of goods

The economy news is good news. We are still way deep in the woods, but a flash of daylight is good to see. The glass has water in it, or it is almost dry, just depends how you want to look at it. I want to see folks working and living a little, so hopefully this is the beginning of a trend. Nothing more, or nothing less IMO.

From what I've seen and heard so far, he seems like a pretty standard American politician. But then again, I don't give a fucking shit about politics. BUT then again, I am an unbiased POV... from Right wing and Left wing, at least.

4thQtrGlory wrote:If we got all that, i would hang a browns flag from my boner for 2 weeks straight...

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

obama is just the latest stooge packaged and sold to us by the rulers of america.......Corporate Fascism. they control both parties, the "media", the social and political dialogue we are bombared with, and all actions we do.,they track: from your driving to your choice of library books, to your right to have finnish ak47's. they control the world or are close to . they neutralize any guy who runs that will actually change things. from Perot to Buchanan to Dennis to Ron Paul.......they are removed from possible election before we even have a chance to vote. Jefferson foresaw this and gave us the protocals to remove and eliminate these traitors. get armed. get informed, get educated about war and how to win without violence. our constitution [what's left of it] gives us the right and responsibility to retake America. if peaceful change is impossible, the founding fathers demand that we do our duty. my dad lost 4 years of his life fighting fascism,the russians lost 40 million, we are now drafted to destroy THIS fourth reich evil. freedom costs, maybe your life, but we must avenge the Cleveland attack. the first battle of the dismantling of america. the Cleveland Joke was planned. americans were to laugh about our jobs going to china. who's laughing now?. everything starts in cleveland---you could look it up. dennis will join the Patriot Party as will his friends/admirers Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, Art Bell, etc. stop thinking left/right. it's irrelevent when nothing changes. after we retake our country then we can argue as liberals and conservatives. this is total war and we are losing. remember april '08 when Kucinich impeached Cheney the day before our invasion of Iran. he had the generals/admirals revolt behind him, but only he had the balls to act. supported by Pat and Ron and me. he averted WW3. the global elite was checked that time,but they won't stop till they kill or enslave the world.

mac speedy wrote: remember april '08 when Kucinich impeached Cheney the day before our invasion of Iran. he had the generals/admirals revolt behind him, but only he had the balls to act. supported by Pat and Ron and me. he averted WW3. the global elite was checked that time,but they won't stop till they kill or enslave the world.

Not sure why I tortured myself enough to read this all... however if you dont, at least read this.

crackpot here. may i point out that i got barred from this board for suggesting Cuyahoga Co. should buy the Browns w/ stimulus money. Green Bay does o.k.. we attacked washington to get our colors, we paid for the non-corporate stadium, we pay our low-wage $$ for 10 yrs. of garbage football. we could do better than modell/learner. only us and our son the bengals have real stadium names. we invented fuhbah. so....what did we get with the stimulus/bailout.? nothin'. f dems, f repub., give us our industry back and let NE ohio be what it was......Center of all that was good in the world.