What Guys Said 20

I do not think that in any advanced country that gives women equal rights there is any legal right by the father to be in the delivery room. The woman's health, and the baby's depends on her ease of delivery, and if she is upset with a guy being in there that would jeopardize both. Doesn't matter what her reason is, that moment is one where her wishes on who is there are more important than any other things. And the laws on privacy in medical matters allows her to refuse to have him in there.

And I can think of many reasons why she would not want the father in there. So I would never support overriding her decision.

2

1|1

0|0

Asker

but why should he miss out on the birth if we expect him to have equal responsibility surely he should have equal rights but if you say that he does not have the same rights as the mother why should he have the same responsibility makes not sense really

Since you obviously did not read what I said, I will repeat it. The woman's health, and that of the baby, depend on her ease of delivery, and if him being in there would upset her then his desire to be there does not come close to the need of her being at ease and healthy.

He is responsible for his part in creating a child. That does not give him the right to watch it be born. And if he shot her he would be responsible for shooting her, but that would not give him the right to go in the OR to watch them remove the bullet.

look i get what you are saying but if we use your logic then the father should not have to pay for the baby ether because as you say he is responsible for his part in creating a child but then the the mother would be responsible after like paying as the fathers part is done at the mother like in most animal races the mother looks after the baby alone like in the olden time

but you say that the fathers part is done once he made the child so his part is done you can not pick and chose when he is a father so you let him in the room and get money or you do not let him in the room and do not get money because as you say his part is only in making the baby so why does he have to pay for it if he cannot be in the room so by making him pay you are turning him into a slave as he dose not have the same rights but then has to pay

ok then let say you make him pay child support but do not let him be in the room for the birth but the father does not want to pay it so you force him to which is slavery as you are forcing him to pay for under threat of imprisonment and another think why should father even pay for a child you do not see them being made to pay for a brother or a sister who are related to him like the child is

so you run off like a child when proven wrong as yes it is slavery as the very definition slavery is a a condition of having to work very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation so making men pay without giving them the same right is slavery and the no more owes the child his money than any any related person and if you disagree you must hate men and love to turn them into slaves

Well she is if the father gets custody and she is forced to pay child support. I agree that the father should get to see the child but honestly why would the father need to be there when all he could see is her pussy.

but as it stands the mother does not even need to tell the father the baby has been born so when the courts ask how has looked after the baby it will always be the mother so she will always get the baby and the mother does not have to give you any say in anything or let you know anything so do you find that fair and so you know you can be in the delivery room without seeing anything you know

No, not at all. If the woman giving birth doesn't want the father present, for whatever reason, then he isn't allowed in. And that's the way it should be.

Until the baby comes out of her vagina, the father is utterly irrelevant when it comes to any baby-related decisions.

0

0|0

0|0

Asker

oh so the fact the baby is his too does not matter or the fact he is stuck paying for that kid for 18 years but he still does not get to be at the birth but we expect men to have equal responsibility but not equal rights really fair not

but he helped make the child so yes he is relevant in this situation as the baby would not be here without the father and by having it so the mother can ban the father for any reason is making it so he cannot bond with his child at birth like the mother can

and i feel like i am talking a big man baby who fails to see that the baby is not just the mothers you are a man right do you not feel like you have a right to be at the birth of a child you made and will be looking after and paying for for 18 to 20 years if not then you are dumb and you know if you stop fathers from having the same rights as mothers from the start you take away the basis for child support

I cut the cord of those 2 in my picture !! My son is 13 tomorrow , my daughter 10 on the 11th , yet it seems like yesterday when I was in the delivery room !! A REAL father needs to experience this , I now parent alone as well as work FT.

1

1|0

0|0

Asker

but what if your girlfriend or wife said no do you think you should still have the right to be in there

i know that but the did not make the kid on her own so why should he get to ban him from his own child's birth so over anger with out first having to prove him a danger and as the law is know the mother can dose not even have to let the father know the baby has been born or let him see the baby in the hospital after birth how fair is that

but i know it is very important yes i get it is not good having an abusive person in there but i just want to help stop women from banning the father out of anger is all and the best why to do that is to have her prove why the father should not be in the room first and if proved to be unsafe or dangerous then by all means ban him but be fair

but why if it is his child too i mean if we want men to be good fathers we should let them right by giving them rights and i think the having the right to be at your child's birth is not that big of a thing to ask right

It's hard to say... I mean patients rights to privacy is one thing, but it's his freaking kid too. Any woman that would do that to their husband basically deserves a divorce right then and their with no support. She's a rotten egg..

Honestly I don't think a woman should ever have a right to exclude a man from his child's life. If a judge decides to exude a man from his child's life due to criminal acts like sexual molestation/child abuse that's that but women should never be able to say you can't see your kids... I feel it's child abuse for a woman to do that.

Yeah that is excluding a man from his child's life. If he's not there in the beginning to see his kid come into the world, why is he ever going to be there for the kid? That's the pinnacle moment that floors a man and makes him commit to doing everything in the world for that little one... Keeping him out of the deliver room is an action that is excluding a man from his child which will hurt the child in the long run... You're disconnecting the man emotionally from his child. Basically any woman that does that is a child absurder in my opinion. Long run the child will suffer...

What Girls Said 21

Only if he won't be of any harm to the baby or the mother. He certainly do not have the right if he was lets say a rapist father (and the child was born due to his rape).

The thing with childbirth is that pregnant women want and don't want all kinds of crazy things, sometimes it can be hard for them to focus and stay calm if he is there or if he isn't there. I don't necessarily think there should be any kind of law on it though.

1

0|1

0|0

Asker

but i think she should have to prove he was a danger first before she can ban him

but then that makes it very unfair on the father then if the mother can ban him for any reason but i get your point but we need a way so women cannot ban them out of anger and yes you can prove rape and abuse you know so yes my having to give prove can work

Just because it can be proven doesn't always mean they got the evidence from when it happened. You're really not thinking this shit through properly are you? This stuff is NOT that simple and I know it because I've been through it myself. And if there was evidence he won't just end up being banned from seeing the baby, he'll end up in jail.

And yes sometimes things are unfair, it would be great if the father could always watch the baby being born but sometimes things doesn't always work out the way we want it to, and yeah maybe he'll miss a big event in his life, but thats one of many big events to come. Better have a healthy baby, I don't know why anyone would not want that?

i know some who would not want that the millions of men who miss out on the birth of there child due to angry women and the law letting them do to the man who just wants to be there i know many men who just walk away from the child because the mother keeps saying no and they starting to do that the moment they are ban from the birth as they think what is the point but then you make then pay for the child than may as well not be there as you ban them from the pregnancy then the birth and ban them to every other weekend is it no wonder men do not want kids with how unfair the law is to them so until the law is fair and equal men will keep abandoning their children and it amazes me you do not see that

i get that but as least we can make it more fair right and ok i will let you can have the delivery room but at least you have to agree that the mother has to tell him she is in labor by law so he can be in the waiting room and see the baby after he/she is born no matter what the mother say

I definitely believe the mother should let him know he's in labour, Im not too sure if there should be a law on it though. There are a lot of not so nice people in this world and some might take advantage of that law. These issues are really difficult to solve because relationships can be very complicated and people can be even more complicated. While something might sound like a good idea, it isn't always such a good idea. There will always be people on the bad end of the stick, you just have to pick which one is the safest option overall.

i agree and look i am not trying to be mean or anything so sorry if i sound like a am not listening but i really do think it should be more far and i agree that people may use it for not very good reason but i think it should be a law as long as she can prove letting him know his baby is being born is a bad thing but i am open to ideas if you have any other way it could be fair i would be happy to hear them

He should be there, but if he's potentially harmful to the child or would cause a panic attack or stress out the mother then no, as it would make complications during the delivery. There should be some sort of one sided glass or whatever that he can view or see the birth from, just not in the room if that's the case

no and i understand the that a women need privacy but if you think about it we kind of push fathers into not wanting to be fathers as we get all the rights and they get next to none which it way i think the mother should have to prove it is unsafe before she can ban him

So you really don't understand a womans right to privacy. The father can meet the baby 10 minutes later. Wtf? Nobody's rights are being trampled. C'mon, get some common sense. Are you just looking to argue? Pick a topic of some relevance next time.

but you seem to forget that us women do not make the baby on our own right so why should the father have to wait to meet his child but the mother gets to not only see it come into the world but get to meet the baby right away were as the father has to wait until the mother gives consent and even then she does not even have to tell him the baby has been born so how fair is that you just sound like a man hater who want men to have no rights but to pay

do you just act like a child every time someone says something you do not like or are you just a bitch as the way i see it you just do not like being wrong or you just hate men so much that you think they should not even get any rights but to pay but you seem to forget that it take to to make a baby and too to raise it and pay for it so saying the father cannot be at the birth is basically saying he is not a father unless you say he is but then make him pay and have the same responsibilities as a parent but not the same rights which is wrong you man hater

The main priority is the mother who is going through a dangerous and painful experience. It isn't a right per se, but most women want the father present and some don't. You can't make it a "right". If you brought in a man who causes a woman anxiety and stress, it could be very dangerous for the child and mothers health- where's the good in that?

1

0|1

0|0

Asker

that is why i think the mother should prove it would be harmful before she can ban him

@Thisperson98 still can't make her. Unfortunately, a mother and baby take priority in labour. I'm all for a fathers rights in every other aspect, but during birthing- like people can die, complications can happen, it's best to have the mother feeling happy during it.

but if that was the case she can just prove it is harmful right and of course a rapist should not be in there as i am talking about say an ex or a one night stand or you know a normal guy and the sex was consensual

@Thisperson98 that's not a way to raise a child. You can't punish a child for a mother's wrongdoings. It's an innocent baby that still needs you. Personally I want my mum and husband in with me in labour. If it was an ex who broke my heart, I might not be willing to let him see me in a vulnerable position or my vagina ever again. And signing over his rights, is his loss, not mine.

@Thisperson98 he should after the birth, go to the court of laws and get shared custody, which he should get. And then he will have the child just as often as the mother and have the same amount of control. I know it's not perfect, but it's the best way for it to work.

It's not. And I too don't like it, but that's how the world works at the moment. In my life, I needed my father and mother equally and actually, fathers are just as nurturing as the mother. It's just parents don't always get along and they need the law to fix it out

yes there are like say making her have to give prove why the father should not be in the room or maybe cutting of all support until she involves the father or maybe making it so that she has to pay the court fees back to the father if it was her stopping him

but why it all i am asking why should the mother get to ban the father without first proving him to be a danger seems grossly unfair to men and very unequal if then we expect men to be there for the baby afterwards

but most women think that the father has no right to be in the room unless they say he can be giving women the right to ban all father out of anger which is why i think they should need to prove he is a danger to ban him

Then most women are ignorant. That is his child too, whether they like it or not. It's a special moment for everyone to see the birth of a child. A new life. A life that he'll be supporting for 18+ years. He has every right, even if the couple has split up he has to pay child support so yeah it's messed up to try and kick the father out of the room. It's his kid too.

i agree but the law does not and so you know i am pregnant and the father and i are not together but he is going to be in the room with me and i also let him go to the scans and everything cuz as you say it is his kid too

thank you and i do not get all this women on here saying me have should have no rights i am pretty sure with out men no baby would ever be born as it takes to to make a baby but most women are so blinded by angry and hate they forget that

Don't know why a mother would not want the father there unless there's a beef between the 2.

Not sure if there's any laws about that. It'd be more of a question for the hospital to answer. Personally I think the father has every right to be there but I'd hope the mother & father could settle it peacefully either way.

i know but the laws are so unfair to me i think he should have the right by law to be in that room unless the mother can prove it would be unsafe for him not to be as that would stop women banning fathers out of anger or just trying to hurt the man

i know and i am a women so i do not see why more women have the same mindset as it we want men to want and love there kids plus support us through pregnancy and support their kids we need to give them equal rights unless proved unsafe

Yes they should. It's the fathers child too. I don't think the mother should have the right to say no that. If he wants to see the birth of his child, he should be allowed. It's wrong to prevent him from witnessing one of the most important moments of his life. Even if it's an ex, both parents have to learn to put their feelings aside for the child.

Look who's talking. You're the one butthurt about not being let into your own kid's delivery room because obviously you're such a jerk and a disrespectful person and ungentlemanly and selfish enough to be inconsiderate of the privacy of your child's mother.

erm i am a women so no i am not a jerk and if you are so man hating you cannot see with the way the law is set up men have a very strong case to get rid of child support then you are dumb as if the father does not have the same right then they do not have the same responsibilities and if you say they do not have the interest to the baby the mother has the they certainly do not have the same right so you can kiss child support goodbye as the whole basics of support is the the baby is half the fathers but if you do not give him same right to the baby then it is not half his so that basics is gone