Anyways, at the very least we should ALLDEMAND full investigations and reporting about this subject. Neocon Jews are NOT to be allowed to head any of it. Let's remember the people that died that day deserve to have real justice and not some ginned up war for globalist and Zionist ambitions.

The last photo taken by a police photographer before being killed by what you see.

I have no doubt in my mind Israel had foreknowledge of these attacks and withheld them. Even an FBI agent 4 months prior submitted a report about Arabs who were in the country going to flight school, one in particular who specifically stated he didnt need to learn to land.

The CTer movement ignores the Israeli role, ignores the real evidence in an attempt to steer suspicion away from those who committed the ultimate sin of commission-- Israelis. And it's apparent they whole-heartedly believe in their conspiracy theory... as long as it doesn't touch the beloved jews. Try to push the truth about that in your movement and maybe you'll find out that all this talk of nuclear bombs in elevator shafts, particle beam weapons, 10,000 floor charges with incendiaries and silent explosives is all a smoke screen so no one focuses on the real conspiracy--- Israel had foreknowledge and allowed and maybe even encouraged or helped these foreign nationals hijack and attack America on its own soil.

At the core of all the CTers arguments about the planes or lack thereof is this: Arabs live in caves and can't fly planes or read or write , and aren't smart enough to do so. This despite the fact terrorists have been hijacking planes for the past 30 years. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out ramming a plane full of uel and mass going at nearly 500 mph or greater is going to be a very effective ballistic missile.

Despite the movie portrayals of Arabs, they do live in the 21st century and enjoy the same technological advances as we do.

I only want to express my thinking and my heartfelt anger towards the Globalists and Zionists who gave the green light to this evil act.

We might not agree with how things transpired, but we can agree that any anger directed toward the Globalists and Zionists is never really misplaced. I also think we can both agree that whether or not 9/11 happened exactly like the government reports say, and every Zionist could be 100% cleared of any wrongdoing, it still wouldn't even begin to exonerate past aggressions and the ongoing destruction they bring to every country on the planet. I don't need a 9/11 conspiracy to be true in order to despise them. I'm sure you don't either.

While what you say is true, it is irrelevant, and that's because it is not possible to generate the heat necessary to melt steel girders and pulverized reinforced concrete using several of the largest airplanes known to man, which casts a giant shadow of doubt as to what happened on 911 that the American people and the world have accepted as sacrosanct ever since.

Consider some facts:

--- The melting point of stainless steel is 2,550 degrees Fahrenheit
--- The melting point of steel high-carbon is 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit
--- The melting point of medium carbon is 2,600 degrees Fahrenheit
--- The melting point of low carbon is 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit

Aluminum is 1,218; brass is 1,652-1724; bronze is 1,562-1,832;cast iron is 2,300; copper is 1,981; gold is 1,946; iron is 2,786; manganese is 2,300; nickle is 2,646; silicon is 2,588; silver is 1,762; titanium 3,563; tungsten is 5,432 degrees Fahrenheit.

The point is: every fuel under the sun and under the best conditions, whether it be jet fuel or plain old gasoline, propane or what-have-you, burns well BELOW the melting points of the overwhelming majority of mainstay metals used throughout the World Trade Center complex.

OH YEAH! I forgot that those metals were smelted and formed on the surface of the Sun, and shipped back to NYC to be bolted together to build the towers.

C'mon man, how do we forge steel without fuel that burns hot enough? And it should be noted that while jet fuel may not burn hot enough in itself, fire is a physical state change in matter. Physical and Chemical states are tied together and when one changes, the other does to.

If you took jet fuel and mixed it with everything else in that building: carpeting, paper, plastics, wood, people, tile, etc...light it on fire in an enclosed area with intermittent bursts of oxygen and other gases...

..who knows how hot of a fire you can get.

I'm sorry...while I totally agree with those who say that this tragic event in our history was a plot, and that Israel is most likely involved..
I just can't take it when people go into the whole "there were bombs in the basement" theory. Planes did it, and there really were people on them.

I have no doubt in my mind Israel had foreknowledge of these attacks and withheld them. Even an FBI agent 4 months prior submitted a report about Arabs who were in the country going to flight school, one in particular who specifically stated he didnt need to learn to land.

And this info sat on the desk of George Tenant, the CIA director who ignored it just like Bush and Congo Rice ignored the memo that even mentioned the WTC and Hijacking.

But that could be typical bureaucratic stupidity. And then again, not.

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The CTer movement ignores the Israeli role, ignores the real evidence in an attempt to steer suspicion away from those who committed the ultimate sin of commission-- Israelis. And it's apparent they whole-heartedly believe in their conspiracy theory... as long as it doesn't touch the beloved jews.

True.

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Try to push the truth about that in your movement and maybe you'll find out that all this talk of nuclear bombs in elevator shafts, particle beam weapons, 10,000 floor charges with incendiaries and silent explosives is all a smoke screen so no one focuses on the real conspiracy--- Israel had foreknowledge and allowed and maybe even encouraged or helped these foreign nationals hijack and attack America on its own soil.

Once again you miss the point. Sure, there's a lot of crazy theories -- so what? They might not be as smart as you. Or they might be someone trying to sound crazy (more below).

And I told you once before that the 9/11 Patriots want to distance themselves from being accused of anti-Semitism. Just like everything else in this country anymore.

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At the core of all the CTers arguments about the planes or lack thereof is this: Arabs live in caves and can't fly planes or read or write , and aren't smart enough to do so. This despite the fact terrorists have been hijacking planes for the past 30 years. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out ramming a plane full of uel and mass going at nearly 500 mph or greater is going to be a very effective ballistic missile.

Hijacking planes and flying them are two entirely differant things and you well know it.

And planes made up mostly from light-weight alloys are not going to cut thru steel I-beams clad in cement.

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Despite the movie portrayals of Arabs, they do live in the 21st century and enjoy the same technological advances as we do.

OK, so they have X-boxs running flight simulator programs and that explains it so well.

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We might not agree with how things transpired, but we can agree that any anger directed toward the Globalists and Zionists is never really misplaced.

Then what, dear sir, do you ascribe to these people?

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I also think we can both agree that whether or not 9/11 happened exactly like the government reports say, and every Zionist could be 100% cleared of any wrongdoing, it still wouldn't even begin to exonerate past aggressions and the ongoing destruction they bring to every country on the planet. I don't need a 9/11 conspiracy to be true in order to despise them. I'm sure you don't either.

Like I've said a million times, every American should be up in arms about 9/11. By my reckoning, only the Jews who are mortally afraid of the Israeli Mossad being implicated, have reason to combat 9/11 truth.

In fact, I do indeed believe those "crypto-Jews" are neck-deep in making up total BS theories. Other seek to label Patriots as wackos. This makes me very suspicious of any who spend so much energy trying to obfuscate or ignore the real evidence out there.

I've noticed that the unexplainable is deftly bypassed by you and another poster here. I'll cut you some slack and not call you a Jew, but if you are not one, than you need to reevaluate the whole matter.

When someone posts a clearcut answer, for example Silverstein's real windfalls and greed, you skip on by like it made zero influence on you. I don't know exactly what it would take to make you sit-up and take notice and that makes me wonder.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are claiming this building was built on par with military bunkers? Maybe you can shed some light on why this commercial building was built with so much supposed care to survive a "direct missile hit". Of other note, I am inclined to ask where this notion of "mysteriously imploded" comes from that CTers spout. Firefighters knew hours before the collapse the building was in danger after a 20 story hole was torn deep into the building which prevented them from reaching the raging fires that spread to upper floors. How exaclt is 47 floors engulfed in flames "marginal"? And if this building was built to withstand a direct missile hit, can you tell me the technology used to make the explosives silent? If a building is built to withstand a missile (which I contest) , it would take quite a lot of explosives to bring it down, don't you agree?

The 20-story gaping hole is an exaggeration, which is abundantly obvious by numerous videotapes that were made right up to the moment the building came tumbling down as neat and quick as anything being perfectly orchestrated. Building # 7 was also a CIA headquarters and the command bunker for the mayor. There are public records of extensive reconstruction via fortification of several floors, right down to the special windows. This was done in anticipation of a major event long before 9/11 took place.

But let's say 9/11 truthers are all misinformed as you suggest; then explain why the 9/11 Commission didn't make any mention of it???????????????????????? It stands to reason, then, when you want there to be no doubt, you offer information for public consumption to gain their trust. But this was NOT done on purpose and worst still, was certainly no accident or bureaucratic oversight, especially when it concerns the most horrific crime committed on U.S. soil in history.

To think otherwise is pure unadulterated fantasy, not to mention dangerously ignorant. How you could not see the obvious here escapes me, and WHY you would voluntarily defend the indefensible speaks volumes about your inability to discern right from wrong.

NEW EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY about 911 WTC BUILDING 7 BOMBS!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6X9OspdsTU[/youtube]

An eye witness 7 years later that they refused to place in their movie in order to make and profit from another one? One thing is for sure, these kids did follow the hollywood jew guide to making a movie... make them come back for more in the sequel.

So basically this video was a plug for Bermas to make another conspiracy movie? I have several questions about this negro, but the one I dont understand is how he says they entered the building, yet didn't realize they were the only two people in the building until they got to the 8th floor to see hot coffee still with steam coming off and half eaten sandwiches. And if it was empty as they claim, then where did all the bodies in the lobby magically appear from?

I do know one thing, if I was next to two buildings that just got slammed by airplanes, I wouldn't stay in it. I believe he heard explosions, but even he doesn't know where the explosions come from, just somewhere below. Neither do we know what made these explosions. I do find it also interesting that even though he and his comrade couldn't make it down the stairs of the magically empty building, the firefighters were able to come up and get them and then go back down, and sometime in between magically place dead bodies from people who weren't there before.

Why do you insist on posting irrelevant and misleading information? The current discussion is on building 7, and you post a picture of a building that people will assume is building 7. But it it not building 7! You are posting a picture of damage done to the building called the "Bankers Trust" building, which did not collapse. What is the point of posting this? Stop misleading the people. So, no a picture will not suffice. Especially a picture of a building not in question.

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And building seven a jumbo jet hit into that one as well?

Does anyone have any photographs of building seven under construction, id be very interested in seeing what kind of core it has.

No, here we do not go! There is no picture of building 7's construction in the video you supplied. Again why are you misleading the people? One mistake I could understand, but two in a row? Stop mudding up this thread with inaccurate and misleading information designed to discourage truth seeking individuals from locating the accurate and relevant information.

When someone posts a clearcut answer, for example Silverstein's real windfalls and greed, you skip on by like it made zero influence on you. I don't know exactly what it would take to make you sit-up and take notice and that makes me wonder.

Are we back to the Silverstein billions again? Did he just receive billions overnight since our last talk of him yesterday where he hasn't received a cent?

And for the record, in the mid 90's the intelligence community went to congress with the very high threat of terrorists hijacking planes and ramming them into buildings, calling for stricter airport security. Congress's reaction: "No, americans aren't ready to see armed soldiers in our airports."

What really gets me is CTers find it perfectly plausible that terrorists can obtain and re-engineer safe coded nuclear bombs for detonation, but can't learn to set a plane on a heading and follow it through into a building?

Of all the damning evidence of jewish implication as I've said before are the dancing Israelis taping the event while it happened, the two Israeli spies living a mere few houses down from two of the hijackers for over a year, and the
instant message sent two hours before the attacks to an Israeli firm inside the towers.

Sorry, but this is real and verifiable evidence untainted and presented in its entirety unlike what the CT movement puts forth to diminish and nullify Israeli role in this, and to cast suspicion away from them altogether.