Oh I see … the US section of the Apple site has been redesigned with a new rather aluminum skin. Not so on the local section though, if you need a dose of apparently brand new retro!

Goodbye Tiger style.

As for Safari for Windows: WebKit presence is what it’s about of course. This is no direct sales trojan in the way that iTunes was for iPods first and Macs second … who would switch for a browser? BUT it is indeed a great move as Bergamot said to raise Windows web designers’ Safari awareness. And just as the iPhone is due to hit the streets too. What a coincidence!

To me, it sounds as though the iPhone is a WebKit handheld. That’s something that other phone makers and wannabees are going to find damned difficult to clone. WinSafari makes sense as soon as you look at it that way: as the keynote’s double encore seems to indicate. (based on text here, I ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!)

I think we’ve some interesting times still to come. How about how long it takes for Safari to become global #2 browser? Think of the compatibility implications of that.

It’s interesting to speculate what portions of Cocoa must work with Windows to allow Safari to ship for XP and Vista. Would RSJ ever try again with YellowBox (which let NextStep apps run on Windows NT)? Might we see a future Xcode that supports Windows (and why not, maybe even iPhone) targets?

It’s a little strange that I’ve now got a newer version of Safari running on my XP box than on my Macs…

As others have said, I think the “Safari on Windows” is basically a way to assist Windows web developers in making sure their sites render properly on the iPhone; it kills the “but I can’t *test* on anything!” excuse. The rest of the Mac-using world reaps the benefits but this is really a way to help the iPhone. In addition, given the “One LAST thing” bit, it is opening up iPhone development to Windows developers.

I’m not an iPhone hater…actually I’m accused of being an iPhone fanboy…but I must respond to this: “the iPhone is a WebKit handheld. that’s something that other phone makers and wannabees are going to find damned difficult to clone.”

See, the thing is, WebKit is opensource…and Nokia has been using it on their symbian handsets for about a year.

Related: WTF kind of “announcement” is it to say…if you want to develop an iphone app…um, develop a web app. That was the ONE MORE THING. WTF?

Well, he did mention that there was a decent level of integration with iPhone system functionality available, which until now was not a sure thing.

If I can add links to webapps on my “desktop”, and hide the browser toolbars, it should be possible to make something that looks and works reasonably like a native iPhone app. For all I know, half the default loaded apps may actually be HTML-based.

“Er, really? I would have thought Opera Mobile is on a par with Safari. And Opera’s main target nowadays is mobile and alternative browsers.”

Having used Opera Mobile on my WM5 PocketPC a few months ago, I feel compelled to laugh at this statement, and at you for making it. Thanks.

My guess is they want to ensure a seemless experience with their future webservices (Steve sorta mentikoned this at D), hence the Windows version of Safari. I don’t see Apple making all the effort just to give “nonbelievers” a chance to use Safari.

But then again: Maybe the browser that’s built-in in iTunes is actually safari, so maybe they had their windows version lying around anyway and decided to release it as a seperate product just for the heck of it…

I don’t know if I’m just a laid-back Apple zealot, but this guy actually doesn’t really bother me.
I tried reading some of the comments, however, but got physically ill half-way through.
For the love of Jobs please don’t ever let this forum become like that at all.
All that’s keeping me sane in this crazy, mixed-up world is my Mac and intellectual discussion.
Both are clearly rare and precious items.