1 - The first republican POTUS led the US Civil War to grant blacks the right to freedom, and thereby vote, against the Confederacy ... which was made up of democrats who would prefer national destruction over freed slaves.

2 - Democrats did create the Social Security system. They also set it up as a vote buying Ponzi scheme.

3 - FDR and the democrat's policies both deepened and lengthened the great depression. Instead of lifting folks from poverty, they burnt crops in the field while Americans were starving so they could support prices for democrat donors.

4 - Democrats blocked desegregation at every turn. It was a democrat governor which refused to let blacks attend Little Rock HS leading to Brown vs Board of Education. It was a democrat governor, George Wallace, who blocked blacks from attending U of Alabama

5 - Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act of 1866 against the opposition of the democrats ... and the Civil Rights Act of 1871 ... and the Civil Rights Act of 1875 ... and the Civil Rights Act of 1957 ... and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed by a stronger R percentage than D percentage, with the democrat and Klan Kleagle and Excalted Cyclops Robert Cornelius Calvin Sales Byrd Junior setting a record filibuster in opposition to it's passage.

6 - The Clean Air Act was signed into law by Richard Milhouse Nixon.

7 - The Clean Water Act was signed into law by Ronald Wilson Reagan.

The bottom line is that you were PUNK'D by Mr O'Donnell and accepted his lies without question because they were the lies you wanted to hear.

OH MY! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln)

OH DEAR! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_water_act)

GOOD GOLLY! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education)

JUMPING BUTTERBALLS! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace)

SAY IT AIN'T SO BOBBY, SAY IT AIN'T SO! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Air_Act_(United_States))

There USED TO BE Republican liberals, just as there used to be a lot of Democratic conservatives. African-Americans honored their role by voting very predominantly for Republicans for generations, until the '60s and the civil rights movement changed that practice, as for instance when MLK Sr. first voted for a Democrat after a lifetime of being a registered Republican.

Liberals of both parties got together in opposition to conservatives in both parties to accomplish what he discussed.

Your citation of Nixon's action proves the point. In many respects, he was a big government liberal, and proposed things leftward of where Democratic party liberals are today. Wage and price controls ring any bells? Nixon proposed play or pay national health care paid for by employers' contributions, and a negative income tax kind of guaranteed income to all adult citizens.

sack316

11-23-2011, 10:46 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm guaranteeing you he meant "DEMOCRAT" each time he said liberal. </div></div>

I guarantee he was thinking:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"I live to the extreme left, the extreme left of you mere liberals," MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell told liberal Glenn Greenwald and the "Morning Joe" crew. </div></div>

He's a self admitted socialist. But, I do like O'donnell actually. He's straight up about himself, what he thinks, and what he believes. Even if I disagree with him on a lot of things, I respect that he doesn't hide behind any masks.

Sack

LWW

11-23-2011, 10:49 AM

Your jibber jabber does not change that O'Donnell is a lying POS moonbat and what I posted is accurate.

LWW

11-23-2011, 10:52 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He's a self admitted socialist. But, I do like O'donnell actually. He's straight up about himself, what he thinks, and what he believes. Even if I disagree with him on a lot of things, I respect that he doesn't hide behind any masks.

Sack</div></div>

That is true ... the modern left is full of left wing fascists who claim to be "LIBERAL" without knowing what the word even means.

And, not that a leftist here will "GET IT" ... O'Donnell is anything but a true "LIBERAL."

O'Donnell is a state worshipping fascist.

sack316

11-23-2011, 11:23 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He's a self admitted socialist. But, I do like O'donnell actually. He's straight up about himself, what he thinks, and what he believes. Even if I disagree with him on a lot of things, I respect that he doesn't hide behind any masks.

Sack</div></div>

That is true ... the modern left is full of left wing fascists who claim to be "LIBERAL" without knowing what the word even means.

And, not that a leftist here will "GET IT" ... O'Donnell is anything but a true "LIBERAL."

O'Donnell is a state worshipping fascist. </div></div>

Yeah, I'm not sure what his personal thoughts were in his statement (ie did he mean "democrats" or what?). But the statement in and of itself was technically accurate... those things mentioned are technically "liberal" ideals and accomplishments.

Now how that term jives in conjunction with our 2011 thinking and use of what a "liberal" is becomes very different altogether.

So I'll grant you that his <u>use</u> here may well have been exploiting a technically correct statement presented as something else entirely in context.

Sort of like if we were to say "conserving water is a Conservative idea... hence all credit for water conservation goes to modern day conservatives" (look, the word is right there in it!).

Sack

LWW

11-23-2011, 11:28 AM

My point was actually that "LIBERAL" means standing for liberty, freedom, and minimal state intervention.

The history of the democratic party has been pro slavery, anti liberty and massive statism.

Soflasnapper

11-23-2011, 01:40 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your jibber jabber does not change that O'Donnell is a lying POS moonbat and what I posted is accurate. </div></div>

Saying you are right is not an argument. I think what he said is entirely accurate. Extensions of liberty are not favored by conservatives, and it's true that the provisions of suffrage to greater numbers of people were opposed by them (of whichever party).

Soflasnapper

11-23-2011, 01:44 PM

Your 6 and 7 occurred under Democratic control of both houses of Congress. By your own prior announced standard, presidents don't do these things, Congress does them (and that is correct).

LWW

11-23-2011, 05:51 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[I think what he said is entirely accurate. Extensions of liberty are not favored by conservatives, and it's true that the provisions of suffrage to greater numbers of people were opposed by them (of whichever party). </div></div>

Then you are truly a lost cause.

May you end up with Jefferson Davis, Bobby Byrd and Nathan Bedford Forrest.

Soflasnapper

11-23-2011, 06:04 PM

You mean on statues throughout the South, and my name on buildings and highways through W. Va? Could be worse I guess.

LWW

11-24-2011, 05:12 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You mean on statues throughout the South, and my name on buildings and highways through W. Va? Could be worse I guess. </div></div>

Much worse ... you could be the victim of one of the rapists, lynchers, church burners and murderers that the WV Kleagle recruited.

That the demokrook party canonized a commission paid recruiter, and local statewide operator, of the nation's largest home grown terrorist group tells me everything I need to know about them.

Soflasnapper

11-24-2011, 11:05 AM

I see you have no answer for the point made, that the Congress that passed these things under Republican presidents was controlled in both houses by the Democrats, making the credit for these things Democratic Party.

So you remain silent and deflect. Good choice, under the circumstances!

Unless any of these Republican presidents can be shown to have proposed and championed these measures, so as to earn some of the credit for themselves and their party. Can they?

LWW

11-24-2011, 01:20 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see you have no answer for the point made, that the Congress that passed these things under Republican presidents was controlled in both houses by the Democrats, making the credit for these things Democratic Party.

So you remain silent and deflect. Good choice, under the circumstances!

Unless any of these Republican presidents can be shown to have proposed and championed these measures, so as to earn some of the credit for themselves and their party. Can they? </div></div>

Actually, you are being a tool.

Again.

Fascisti O'Donnell is actually guilty of what you are accusing me of in that he attributes all claim on those issues to one side.

I merely pointed out that he, much like yourself, is being completely dishonest in the representation.

IOW ... had Nixon not wanted these bills to be law, the veto was there. That wasn't the case ... much to O'Donnell's, and your, chagrin.

Better luck next time.

Soflasnapper

11-25-2011, 11:40 AM

Fascisti O'Donnell is actually guilty of what you are accusing me of in that he attributes all claim on those issues to one side.

True, but it is the LIBERAL side, vs. the conservative side. Nothing said about party affiliations.