then wouldn't it go to show that schooling has an inherent value over self study...

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then wouldn't it go to show that schooling has an inherent value over self study...

i think its a combination of both as well as the topics being taught. for example, what im studying in school has a huge benefit of smaller class sizes and self study outside the classroom also has benefits allowing me to be ahead of the curve amongst other students.

I would think the same could apply to math and some other subjects.

Other subjects though, such as politics(as we have learned on this forum), learning in school no matter how small or large the classroom, will result in a more left wing bias. External self study would be much better to gain enough understanding about ideas and situations that may better match your own thinkings.

i think its a combination of both as well as the topics being taught. for example, what im studying in school has a huge benefit of smaller class sizes and self study outside the classroom also has benefits allowing me to be ahead of the curve amongst other students.

I would think the same could apply to math and some other subjects.

Other subjects though, such as politics(as we have learned on this forum), learning in school no matter how small or large the classroom, will result in a more left wing bias. External self study would be much better to gain enough understanding about ideas and situations that may better match your own thinkings.

I think you misunderstood my point. I wasn't referring to studies saying that smaller classes sizes are bigger. I was referring to studies saying that small groups are better than alone.

I agree that both solo and group study are important; that's not the discussion.

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I think you misunderstood my point. I wasn't referring to studies saying that smaller classes sizes are bigger. I was referring to studies saying that small groups are better than alone.

I agree that both solo and group study are important; that's not the discussion.

ahhh yes i did misread that. i would then say that i agree that small groups would be better than alone. atleast thats how it is with me. i tend to learn better with a little social interaction than just sitting by myself learning something.

Cool. You'll have to PM me some of your work. I went through school for Game Design/3D Animation for a while. Used Maya and Zbrush as well, but mostly dabbled with UE3.

pshhh gtfo with your unreal engine lol

Tbh, part of the reason behind starting development of the indie game is to help us all get more work for a demo reel. I haven't really had much time to do my own work outside of class. The end of this semester will be the first thing I have that will be truly demo reel worthy, unless counting my earlier 2d basic animations as demo reel worthy haha.

Does the study go over the different types of learners? It's like to see it, as the military is changing over to individual learners with computer based training.

What are you referring to with "different types of learners"? For me, I read into that to mean the ever-so-popular "auditory, visual, kinestetic" psychology that has been domination modern education but I'm not sure if that's what you meant.

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What are you referring to with "different types of learners"? For me, I read into that to mean the ever-so-popular "auditory, visual, kinestetic" psychology that has been domination modern education but I'm not sure if that's what you meant.

It is.

Or bloom's taxonomy, for you education types.

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I am by no means an expert, but everything I have been reading is that modern psychology (like last 5 years modern) shows blooms to be wrong (or at least public understanding of it).

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I know his taxonomy had been revised through the years, but wrong? I haven't heard that yet, and I'm on the cutting edge of military education.

I'll post what I got when I get back in town on Sunday. Sorry, that's the best I can do. I feel like a chump saying something like that and then leaving.

To be specific, the study I am referring to says argues against the idea that some people are visual learners, some people are auditory learners, etc and that all people have to do is identify their "type" and then use it. This is what is taught in our schools today. However, this study argues that people aren't that simple. That just because you absorb information better as auditory in some instances doesn't mean that you don't absorb information better visually in another. It shows no evidence of a consistent dominant learning strategy.

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When you are making a course, or even just a lesson within a course, your instructor lead or computer based material has to cover everyone with exception of those "I have to do it to learn it" types. Those guys never really get the theory until they can lay hands on stuff in labs, but the purpose of the labs is to tie theory to practical application... so it works out for everyone in the end.

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But do you realize how big of an effect this false notion has on our education system? It's scary.

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Brian Tracy, self improvement expert and author of "Time Power" says, "Read at least one hour per day in your chosen field. One hour a day will translate into approximately one book per week. One book per week will translate into approximately 50 books over the next 12 months. If you read an hour per day, one book per week, you will be an expert in your field within three years. You will be a national authority in five years, and you will be an international authority in seven years. All leaders are readers."

1. Develop your expertise continually
How do you achieve this? Read. It’s that simple. Almost everyone around you tells themselves that they no longer have the time to read as much as they’d like (though the reality is that they’ve just made something else a higher priority). If you wish to build expert power you need to read much more than anyone else on your topic. Stay on top of your industry, read widely, and educate yourself so that you are as up to date as anyone else on developments in your industry or profession.

"Read books. Read websites. Read other people. Circle the pitfalls and highlight the opportunities. Then build a vision of how it all could be better and work like hell to make it happen"– Michael Dell, founder, Dell Inc.

Funny that, I always make time to read atleast a chapter or two every night. Right now its Sci-Fi fiction, but I switch betwene a lot of things. Scientific journals, automotive repair/upgrade, medical journals, fantasy books(you have to make time for fun things too)

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Funny that, I always make time to read atleast a chapter or two every night. Right now its Sci-Fi fiction, but I switch betwene a lot of things. Scientific journals, automotive repair/upgrade, medical journals, fantasy books(you have to make time for fun things too)

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