This New $7 Billion Warship Is Part Of The US Response To China's Military Builduphttp://www.businessinsider.com/this-new-7-billion-warship-is-part-of-the-us-response-to-chinas-massive-military-buildup-2012-4/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:35:22 -0400Robert Johnsonhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8b54b7eab8ead220000023JeanSun, 15 Apr 2012 19:07:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8b54b7eab8ead220000023
Well, we are borrowing money from China to pay the interest on the money we borrowed from China earlier. Now we have to borrow 7 billion more to build a ship to
combat the ship they built with the interest money we paid them. They will just go to court and repossess our shiney new ship as soon as we get it built. I am surprised
they did not contract China to build it for us. I suppose the spare parts will come from China.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8aa1826bb3f7f362000004Doktor PhibesSun, 15 Apr 2012 06:22:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8aa1826bb3f7f362000004
This $7 Billion dollar warship is the latest waste of your tax dollars. Oh, excuse me, it's less than a waste. A simple waste would only flush your tax dollars down the drain, with no other negative effect to you. THIS particular $7 billion waste, will later be used to KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE. Haven't figured it out yet? It's simple: STOP KILLING PEOPLE. FUCK their warship. FUCK the people who build it. FUCK the people who support it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8a77d2ecad04042d000048Nexus789Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:25:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8a77d2ecad04042d000048
Advanced missile technology is making surface ships of all types and size sitting ducks. Submarines are only the real stealth ship as they travel underwater. Carriers are big targets. There is so much hubris around US military capabilities.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8a0c5beab8eaa26e000036Libby TarianSat, 14 Apr 2012 19:46:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8a0c5beab8eaa26e000036
Ah, so this is what my hard earned tax dollars are spent on. The US has nothing anybody else wants and nobody has ever even tried to invade but hey, there must be justification for all this "defense" because so many men say there is a good reason so...it must be so....or is it. If there is not good reason, then why does it happen?
So if Earth countries were like family households, but 75% of the neighborhood kids didn't have clean drinking water and 50% went to bed hungry, would any responsible head of the household be out rounding up others to plan how to make war or would he be ploughing a field and digging a clean well? Hopefully with his neighbors help. Can it really be as simple as an honest sense of priorities, responsibility and team leadership - globally. We know farmers do this. They work cooperatively. Why do those same good men follow leaders who don't have those same priorities?
Team work seems so easy to come by for war but so hard to come by for attending to basic needs on this planet. Ok we have these things in some countries (5% are American - 18% are western - I don't know all the other detailed stats but I know most others don't have basic needs according to Oxfam, the WHO etc)..
Is there no "reward" in the brain unless aggression is the MO? Neurology has a lot to say about that. Why are violent video games so popular? How do they reward the brain (mostly the male brain - if it was left to women that industry would die out.). Can it be connected to aggression, adrenaline and dopamine in the same way video games trigger this cycle of reacting and rewarding int he brain? The don't call it war "games" for nothing do they.
Anyway, people find all manner of excuses for it but my dad taught me to guard my conscience like I'll die tomorrow. My mom taught me to guard my body like I'll live forever. It was good advice. I wish more people had parents like mine. I hope this planet survives long enough for my mothers advice to be relevant.
Can they fight wars if nobody turns up? Oh, it's too late for that. They already volunteered in western countries. But just remember, nobody has ever invaded the US and nobody probably ever will. This is not the reason for wars. It's all in your head.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f89aa146bb3f7b40c000083Valentino.RSat, 14 Apr 2012 12:47:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f89aa146bb3f7b40c000083
They must learn from very experienced Navy:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3gOMvdRq-M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3gOMvdRq-M</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8930e9eab8ea9a39000009JonathanSat, 14 Apr 2012 04:10:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8930e9eab8ea9a39000009
The Chinese have never built an aircraft carrier. They got a junker from Ukraine.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8920ebecad04f557000010telltruthSat, 14 Apr 2012 03:02:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8920ebecad04f557000010
I can see US is the trouble makers not China. Chinese only just to manage to build one air craft carrier. China actually don't really has blue navy. It will take Chinese many decades to catch up US. America does not even allow other countries to make 1 gun when you already have 1000 guns. the question does US has enough money to maintain the size of its army. US may not even has money to pay its army if Chinese demands US to repay it huge debt.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8917c069beddf37b000006Tucci78Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:22:56 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8917c069beddf37b000006
@cash mouth - Your horsepuckey implies that the LEFT wing of our big, "bipartisan," permanently incumbent Boot On Your Neck Party doesn't "Tax, borrow, and spend" in order to fatten the wallets of the business interests who own our "Liberal" fascist politicians.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Established market actors - the "big businesses" - bribe politicians on both sides of the aisle, and get from both Blue Faction and Red the kinds of "constituent services" which guarantee that the private American citizen gets pillaged. Outfits like General Dynamics and Bath Iron Works buy "access" to senior politicians on the left as well as the right, and your own favorite standard-bearers are just as much in the pockets of the Merchants of Death as the Republicans are.
Military spending is directly and inextricably linked to foreign policy, and the interventionist foreign misadventures perpetrated by BOTH the Republicans and your beloved National Socialist Democrat American Party (NSDAP) have kept that hemorrhage of treasure as well as blood extremely high ever since the late 1930s (when your sainted scheming warmongering FDR cranked up a naval warfare construction program that the Japanese knew full well was aimed at their conquest).
Why are "Liberals" all so reliably bloody ignoramuses when it comes to knowledge of American history? Simple enough. If they weren't willfully ignorant blind damned fools, they wouldn't be "Liberals."
The way to reduce military spending - and starve the military-industrial complex down to size - is to put an end to the "Cops of the World" arrogant stupidity of both the Left AND the Right.
Which leads us, of course, to the campaign positions and political career of Dr. Ron Paul.
Which is why you leftie-lusers hate him just as much as the RINOs do, right?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8911ebecad04c82100007aTucci78Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:58:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8911ebecad04c82100007a
The concept is that of an "arsenal ship," a weapons platform from which bombardment can be delivered against targets ashore, and calling such a vessel a "destroyer" is a flaming joke. The Zumwalt class come out in size, cost, numbers, time-to-build, logistical support requirements, and strategic role NOT AT ALL like the expendable "tin cans" which destroyers were created to be more than a century ago.
In these key regards, the Zumwalt is more like the pre-Dreadnaught era battleship, a way to bring heavy firepower to bear against shore targets but intensely vulnerable to anti-ship weapons systems. Hell, the destroyer was initially invented to protect those early battleships against deadly torpedo boats, thus their original name, "torpedo boat destroyer."
To call the Zumwalt class "destroyers" when, in fact, their deployment and use must require auxiliaries - antisubmarine warfare vessels (especially nuclear attack submarines), defensive naval aviation assets, mine warfare units, and an extremely vulnerable logistical support train if only to keep the Zumwalt in ammunition and missile reloads - is ludicrous.
Not to mention the fact that with all those eggs in each basket, the Zumwalt is the very definition of a "missile magnet." and that comes without the damage control capabilities and intrinsic structural "hardness" of the Nimitz-type nuclear supercarriers.
The Zumwalt was a damned bad idea the moment it got floated more than a decade ago, and it's a damned bad idea now.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88c3256bb3f7737c00003bM a n i p u l a t i o nFri, 13 Apr 2012 20:21:57 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88c3256bb3f7737c00003b
"Go find some other hippies for that group hug you need. Let us real man discuss what is needed in the real world."
Its easier to destroy things than it is to create them, you must be one of those "real men" who think with their dick instead of their god given brains.
Not only are you dopey but you don't have a sense of humor either
The 20,000 missing sams from Lybia is True, the ebay part was a joke...obviously to anyone using their brain
Nightmare in Libya: 20,000 Missiles Missing
Experts worry terrorists could grab stinger-style missiles and target airlines.
03:00 | 09/27/2011
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/libyan-missiles-missing-terrorists-target-airlines-14614008" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/libyan-missiles-missing-terrorists-target-airlines-14614008</a>
Do you feel any safer now Rambo ?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88b342eab8ea0825000007KCRobFri, 13 Apr 2012 19:14:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88b342eab8ea0825000007
We are paying for both sides... the interest on UD government debt held by the Chinese can pretty well for the People's Liberation Army.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f888e3f69bedded2f000009DogeyeFri, 13 Apr 2012 16:36:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f888e3f69bedded2f000009
Err, should be the other way around since they recollect a lot of that income via taxeshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8871636bb3f7ac71000024end the warsFri, 13 Apr 2012 14:33:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8871636bb3f7ac71000024
Exactly, it was the germans who first used drones and they used them indiscriminately just like the u.s. does, ie innocent civilians are just collateral damage to the pentgram war mongers. Also in OPERATION PAPERCLIP the u.s. brought over thousands of nazis and put them in what became the cia and in the u.s. military and some of these nazis were the ones who ran the death camps and the gas chambers and ovens, these were the ones that the u.s. put into the cia, if anyone doubts this google OPERATION PAPERCLIP and read the reports.
The nazis also taught the cia their MK ULTA MIND CONTROL programs that they ie the nazis developed by torturing the inmates in the death camps, here again any doubters can google MK ULTRA MIND CONTROL and read the reports.
The cabal in control of america is the fourth reich, invading and bombing countries with out a declaration of war and without just cause , hitler would feel right at home in amerika, esp with thugs like cheney and bush and obama and in regards to the kenyans peace prize it is as orwell said ie war is peace, ignorance is strength and freedom is slavery, welcome to the fourth reich.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88629969bedda73e000007Right wing cash mouthFri, 13 Apr 2012 13:30:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88629969bedda73e000007
Nothing is too expensive for the right wing. Tax, borrow, and spend is the hallmark of the right wing.
We cannot afford the right wing -- we have run out of the blue state's money.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8861da69bedde027000006segoviaFri, 13 Apr 2012 13:26:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8861da69bedde027000006
Plus, did we learn nothing about air vs. sea in WWII? There's no surface ship that can withstand an onslaught by a swarm of drones. We need long range aircraft that can spew drones like hornets.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8861cfeab8eaaa49000020Right wing cash mouthFri, 13 Apr 2012 13:26:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8861cfeab8eaaa49000020
Right wing cash mouth is saying "MORE, FEED ME MORE". And only the blue states actually pick up the tab.
We cannot afford the incompetence of the right wing. We have run out of blue state's money.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f886126ecad045b69000026segoviaFri, 13 Apr 2012 13:23:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f886126ecad045b69000026
Let's hope the Chinese don't delay shipment of key components. I'd hate to see this "China Killer" lag in production.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f885be16bb3f74e3500002dfFri, 13 Apr 2012 13:01:21 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f885be16bb3f74e3500002d
All empire collapse eventually. It's just too expensive. Unfortunately its people never expect until collapse.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f885bdcecad04e66100000dRuler4YouFri, 13 Apr 2012 13:01:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f885bdcecad04e66100000d
Artists concept drawings don't fight wars. They look sweet, but we don't need another warship that breaks down every twenty hours of operation.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88588eeab8eaf43a000008pongidae rexFri, 13 Apr 2012 12:47:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88588eeab8eaf43a000008
China's military buildup, and China's coming superpower status, are a direct consequence of acts of a treasonous US congress. We are governed by economic Traitors.
End of story.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8855ca6bb3f7b92c00000aWhiteamberFri, 13 Apr 2012 12:35:22 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8855ca6bb3f7b92c00000a
Six hundred feet makes this ship more like a World War II heavy cruiser than a destroyer.
155MM cannons (6+ inches) cannons! Great for bombarding Lebanon not China.
Chinese anti-ship
missles will keep the D1000 out in blue water or sink it.
That hull design, fresh out of the 1890's battleship manual.
What's the advantage? Heavy seas could put a lot of pressure on the bow.
What about air defense? Without air support that ship could have major problems.
Why doesn't the Navy spend more money on anti-submarine warfare like a new long
range patrol plane carrying advanced sonabouy's and torpedos.
Seven billion per ship is over the top, even for America.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f884d5eeab8ea7618000004M a n i p u l a t i o nFri, 13 Apr 2012 11:59:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f884d5eeab8ea7618000004
How much is world trade shipped via the oceans?
Around 90%
How much of our Natural Resources(OIL) is found under the oceans?
Define Ours? Irans oil isn't "Ours" Iraqs oil isn't "ours", sovereign countries have there own bounderies on land,sea and air.
How much is our military transported by ship to engagements?
A huge amount but America does have well over 100 military bases in other peoples countries now, how many foreigh military bases are there in America today?
Question for you: Who made America the world policeman who doesn't respect other peoples laws?
Maybe when you stop selling people so many weapons to other people you'll fight less wars, but it will eat in to your PROFIT
Since Lybia was invaded there are now 20,000 Surface-to-Air Missiles on ebay middleeast !
Wars do not always make the world a safer place, far from it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f884c196bb3f7aa0d00001eAulnay-souBoisFri, 13 Apr 2012 11:54:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f884c196bb3f7aa0d00001e
Give green cards to the 10% of relatives to senior Chinese leaders who hasn't already received their green card, sell them each a Miami beach condo, and this country is safe.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8848a96bb3f7c512000001EVA PRAWNFri, 13 Apr 2012 11:39:21 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8848a96bb3f7c512000001
Hitler would be proud, most of this technology America uses today was his.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8846db6bb3f7a60d000009blinded1Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:31:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8846db6bb3f7a60d000009
The beggar is showing of his ‘mightiness’.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88408f69bedd643a000013JamesFri, 13 Apr 2012 11:04:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88408f69bedd643a000013
Mind you, DDG 1000 has been on the drawing board for over a decade. While we're looking at a $7 Billion price tag per unit here, there have already been billions of dollars spent over the last 10-20 years on the systems that will go on the ship.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f883ef9eab8ead06f000005brandFri, 13 Apr 2012 10:58:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f883ef9eab8ead06f000005
I agree. They're not going to fire a small barrage of missiles at an American battleship. It's going to be a wall of missiles and artillery. Alternately, they're going to fire a single nuke, because one warhead is much cheaper than a $7B irreplaceable asset. Has anyone reminded our Navy that China is huge? What do they really think they can accomplish with three coastal attack ships?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8830eeecad04350c000009end the warsFri, 13 Apr 2012 09:58:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8830eeecad04350c000009
One or two well aimed missles will sink the ship, this is insane, the u.s. has the most militant regime in control of the government since hitlers third reich, the insanity will not stop until the whole economy collapses under the weight of the insane wars and military spending.
The pentagram is currently spending 662 billion out of the 1 trillion so called fiscal year budget which works out to 55 billion per month, 1.8 billion a day and is 62% of the fiscal year spending, america is the fourth reich.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f882e3169beddb511000001M a n i p u l a t i o n Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:46:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f882e3169beddb511000001
"One of the most ignorant statements made by I person pretending to be intelligent, i have ever read.
If you have no idea who important naval superiority is then why do you pretend you do?"
What does that mean in English?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f882c7eeab8ea9f3f00000eevanismFri, 13 Apr 2012 09:39:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f882c7eeab8ea9f3f00000e
Worse, they already have the contract to make all the parts.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f882c406bb3f7345500000bJupFri, 13 Apr 2012 09:38:08 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f882c406bb3f7345500000b
Hey, the design copy has been the other way around. Duh.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88204f69bedd935c000005Pat TillmanFri, 13 Apr 2012 08:47:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88204f69bedd935c000005
How many of our own ships, sailors and soldiers will we blow up with this? It doesn't matter how advanced we get, we still manage to kill more of our own than the enemy does!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f881e69eab8ea070a000027waste of moneyFri, 13 Apr 2012 08:39:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f881e69eab8ea070a000027
"he $7 billion DDG 1000 USS Zumwalt will focus on land attacks, relying heavily on its advanced stealth technology to slip in close to shore before unleashing its massive onboard arsenal."
if this ship is really benchmarked against a potential Chinese adversary, it's dumb. Any incident Chin- related will be close to the Chinese mainland....and thousands of anti-ship land-based Chinese missiles would overwhelm even the best anti-missile defense.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f881d6269bedda759000013WinstonFri, 13 Apr 2012 08:34:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f881d6269bedda759000013
Every ship is a big floating target in a military engagement, a target whose positive buoyancy can be turned negative relatively easily.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f881c94ecad04ef62000004M a n i p u l a t i o nFri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f881c94ecad04ef62000004
I think the private European Bankers that still "fund you" and all the Nazi spies you took in after WW2 have turned America in to their own private Military, it stops the Russians invading Germany and Europe and the Chinese from becoming the major world power.
The problem is its bankrupting you.
Germany is Happy - They Wonhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8819d4eab8ea010a000003Jack SparrowFri, 13 Apr 2012 08:19:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8819d4eab8ea010a000003
When a government says it cost them $7 Billion to build then it really cost them (you) $14 Billion
..but hey, who's counting !http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88190069bedd3f51000002Lets get DronedFri, 13 Apr 2012 08:16:00 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88190069bedd3f51000002
Nah, they are too busy building 300 million attack drones, battleships are old news.
Does anybody think that ship looks like the GigaYach A without the bling?
Modern Giga Yacht “A” For the Rich
<a href="http://stylecrave.com/2008-10-15/modern-giga-yacht-a-for-the-rich/" target="_blank">http://stylecrave.com/2008-10-15/modern-giga-yacht-a-for-the-rich/</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88171169bedd0f4b000015Newt From The MoonFri, 13 Apr 2012 08:07:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f88171169bedd0f4b000015
Oh phew. Because gaining naval superiority is so high on our list of problems in the USA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f881649ecad04fc4b000023javajawFri, 13 Apr 2012 08:04:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f881649ecad04fc4b000023
When the Chinese finally come out into the deep water they will find us ready and waiting.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8812b8ecad04ba47000013JamesFri, 13 Apr 2012 07:49:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8812b8ecad04ba47000013
Probably just going to be a test platform for new technologies ... especially that rail gun. $7 Billion for a piece expendable piece of military hardware (times three) is outrageous in a time where we're cutting Sailor's already meager retirement packages and firing a lot of people due to budget cuts.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f880e10eab8ea9d6a000013USA USA USAFri, 13 Apr 2012 07:29:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f880e10eab8ea9d6a000013
should make the next one cheaper thenhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8802bd6bb3f7de06000006lolzFri, 13 Apr 2012 06:41:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4f8802bd6bb3f7de06000006
I am guessing the chinese have already hacked the computer models and stolen the technology and will have one in production shortly.