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A) what exactly is the zero squad guy 'forging'? all ichigo needs to do is pump some Reiryoku into the asauchi he picked, and bingo, done, new sword.

B) if A is the case, then wtf has ichigo been using so far, it's clearly not a zanpakuto, but has all the qualities of one, so saying it can't be fixed normally because it was broken in bankai state is just wrong.

C) if A and B are mutually exclusive, then ichigo can dual wield, omgwtfbbq

D) urahara, as always, knows more than he's telling. he would have known about asauchis being a former captain, yet he taught ichigo to pull a 'fake' zanpakuto out of his butt when teaching ichigo to release a true zanpakuto

In the land of people who are too stupid to realise that using bankai against an enemy that could steal them is a bad idea, the 11th Division are kings - Ikkaku's is broken, so it wouldn't matter if they took it, Kenpachi would rather eyepatches, etc., Yumichika has awesome powers if everyone else is too dead to watch (which aren't bankai-related), and Yachiru will come out as the 5th (and greatest) war potential (with bunnies)

Why does Kensei want Hisagi to use his bankai if the Quincies can steal them?

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Originally Posted by Mangs

Yes Kensei, we need more bankai users. What the hell are you? On a secret mission to supply the quincy with new, fresh bankai?

Wouldn't it be better for the shinigami to train with their SHIKAI seeing as the quincy are able to STEAL their bankai permanently?

To be fair, the simple fact is that unless you're Zaraki, Kyoraku, Soifon, Yoruichi or a Vaizard maybe, shikai just won't cut it againt the Stern Ritter. And unless you're as good as Hachi or Urahara, kidou won't do anything either. Bankai is literally the only way to fight against them. Perhaps they're hoping Urahara or Kurotsuchi will come up with a way to stop the Medallization process?

To be fair, the simple fact is that unless you're Zaraki, Kyoraku, Soifon, Yoruichi or a Vaizard maybe, shikai just won't cut it againt the Stern Ritter. And unless you're as good as Hachi or Urahara, kidou won't do anything either. Bankai is literally the only way to fight against them.

then instead of training bankai, the others should be training shikai and kidou like how hitsugaya is doing. using a brand new bankai shouldn't be that big of a help anyway. most captains have been training theirs for decades and centuries. of course, in bleach logic, shuuhei will probably have a super-powerful bankai and be useful right away. his bankai will probably be something that can destroy the quincies' medallions

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Perhaps they're hoping Urahara or Kurotsuchi will come up with a way to stop the Medallization process?

good call. this will probably happen. in a logical world it's not a guarantee so they should train everything but bankai, but in bleach this logic is 100% flawless. urahara cant fail at anything requiring brains and r&d. he'll probably make a medallion that steals quincy powers

There is not much logic in it anyways: Quincies were able to perfectly use the Bankais immediately after stealing, while the captains needed decades to control them.
Heck, the Quincies shouldn't even know WHAT the Bankai does and if it's even useful in the first place.

There is not much logic in it anyways: Quincies were able to perfectly use the Bankais immediately after stealing, while the captains needed decades to control them.
Heck, the Quincies shouldn't even know WHAT the Bankai does and if it's even useful in the first place.

There is not much logic in it anyways: Quincies were able to perfectly use the Bankais immediately after stealing, while the captains needed decades to control them.
Heck, the Quincies shouldn't even know WHAT the Bankai does and if it's even useful in the first place.

yea that was total nonsense. logically, they should have most likely killed themselves by accident using such powerful techniques without knowing how to control them. it should have been like a stormtrooper using a stolen lightsaber... aaaaand my leg's cut off

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Originally Posted by nikohowell

when did sternritters use bankai?? which chapter?

i dont feel like looking it up atm, but byakuya's own bankai was used against him to 'kill' him and saskibe's bankai was used against yama-jii by the first shitritter he killed before he fought bach

There is not much logic in it anyways: Quincies were able to perfectly use the Bankais immediately after stealing, while the captains needed decades to control them.
Heck, the Quincies shouldn't even know WHAT the Bankai does and if it's even useful in the first place.

The impression I've gotten is that Bach has been gathering information on the Shinigami for decades. One thing about everybody involved being hella old is that even if it takes a long time to find out secrets about someone, they're still worthwhile when you do. That might actually make Shuuhei popping a Bankai useful, as they may not have been able to gather any info on it. Of course, they could always just steal the Bankai and just not use it. Even with just Shitritter powers, they're more than a match for most Captains... Cosigning Bankai powers is just overkill.

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Originally Posted by Poetic Justice

Just caught up with the latest chapters. It's obvious that Kubo barely planned the backstory of Ichigo's parents. Just half-assed explanations for most of the un-answered questions.

Actually, that part of all this is something I think he may actually have thought out from the beginning, at least to a higher level than his usual sleight of ass.

Better yet, Shunsui. Let them steal his Bankai all they want. If it's anything like his Shikai, it has a mind of its own and he, as an opponent, can make use of it as well. Given those odds, I'd take the guy who has several hundred years of experience with it any day of the week.