Here's a quick heads up for all of you eagerly anticipating the next patch

Patch 1.31 will only include the arm patches fix that that caused server connection problems. Testing on it will begin next week and public release is expected in 3 weeks.

Tony Ray, from Even Balance, is working closely with our team in integrating Punkbuster and everything is going smoothly. More to come on this later.

The SA servers (windows - linux) will hit testing in a few days. Exact release on this is uncertain right now.

What can you expect in the future?
<ul>
<LI>Patch 1.4 is being worked on and is scheduled for release at the end of August. This is shaping up to be the largest patch thus far in terms of bug fixes and improvements.
<LI>Plans for an official MOD and release of an SDK are underway (expect both to come later).
[/list]
That's it for now. I'll continue to post updates as I get 'em.

Samuray "Volkan" Copur
Community Manager
ubi.com

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 12:53 AM

Here's a quick heads up for all of you eagerly anticipating the next patch

Patch 1.31 will only include the arm patches fix that that caused server connection problems. Testing on it will begin next week and public release is expected in 3 weeks.

Tony Ray, from Even Balance, is working closely with our team in integrating Punkbuster and everything is going smoothly. More to come on this later.

The SA servers (windows - linux) will hit testing in a few days. Exact release on this is uncertain right now.

What can you expect in the future?
<ul>
<LI>Patch 1.4 is being worked on and is scheduled for release at the end of August. This is shaping up to be the largest patch thus far in terms of bug fixes and improvements.
<LI>Plans for an official MOD and release of an SDK are underway (expect both to come later).
[/list]
That's it for now. I'll continue to post updates as I get 'em.

Samuray "Volkan" Copur
Community Manager
ubi.com

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 12:56 AM

haven't u put up 2 beta test SA servers like 2 months ago? it'll hit testing in a couple days? what does that mean?u put up a beta test server and then just stopped testing?

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 12:56 AM

1.4 will be just in time for Athena Sword, no doubt...

Thanks for the update, Volkan. It's nice to hear about the servers too.

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 12:56 AM

Patch 1.31 will only include the arm patches fix that that caused server connection problems. Testing on it will begin next week and public release is expected in 3 weeks.

lol three weeks for a simple fix.

The SA servers (windows - linux) will hit testing in
- a few days. Exact release on this is uncertain right
- now.

lol still dont know about linux

Patch 1.4 is being worked on and is scheduled
- for release at the end of August. This is shaping up
- to be the largest patch thus far in terms of bug
- fixes and improvements

looool two months for a patch.

looooooooooooooool

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"On seeing the results of patch 1.3 for himself munkeh decided to drown his sorrows."

Monday_19.05.03
- Patch 1.2: We know we haven't fixed everything with the release of this patch - for example, the Stand-Alone Dedicated Servers aren't ready yet - but they are in testing and should be released soon.

we where given the impression that testing was alrdy being done on ded server?
LYING TO US AGAIN
u guys really need to sort ya sh!t out as this isnt good way of running a compony

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 01:14 AM

T for the info, Vulkan. A little slower on 1.31 then I was hoping, but it's great to know that this game is going to be including some positive changes. And soon.

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 02:40 AM

I can stand to wait for them to do things right. Especially now that they said for sure we will be getting the SDK /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 02:40 AM

With all due respect...

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE.

I know it's not your fault, Volkan..

But UBI screwed this series up (Rainbow Six) beyond belief with this distaster they call RvS.

I know all the fanboys love the game and apparently it runs like butter for them and they are happy the "whiners" are leaving...

But when you have "Goodbye" posts popping up on a daily basis from long time R6 fans, Clans and players, something is wrong.

My question is this:

What is UBI going to do when patch 1.4 gives new problems and drives even more players away?

How long is UBI going to support a game that has less than 1600 players online at a time?

How long is UBI going to support what essentially will be a "dead horse" when Half-Life II or Soldner comes out?

Message Edited on 07/03/0307:41PM by KungFu_CIA

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 02:52 AM

i somewhat support KungFu's idea. indeed, it's too little too late to revive the old dead RvS players, but the remaining RvS players could spawn up a whole new generation of RvS players. except i believe this is risky.

many of us here that still remain are the "die hard Clancy game fan". we're not likely to give this game up soo easily which is why we are here. so far, i must say when i try to convince my friends to buy RvS (whom i convinced to buy RS and GR), they simply arent thrilled because they dont like the features of RvS. there's nothing really spectacular about RvS in their point of view. what makes it worse is that RvS has developed soooo slow. the changes most people asked for arent really taking place and when a majority of the people ask for a change, then something IS wrong. unfortunately, it hasnt been changed.

i just hope that Athena Sword has this extreme force multiplier to make RvS worth buying for many people... but the weapon list is not helping...

- Patch 1.31 will only include the arm patches fix
- that that caused server connection problems. Testing
- on it will begin next week and public release is
- expected in 3 weeks.

On that basis, would I be correct in assuming that if I use the default arm patch (with 1.3) I won't get the server connection probs?

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 03:44 AM

Let us take a look at Volkan's post and de-bullcrap it, so it is readable in real life terms.

-- Here's a quick heads up for all of you eagerly
-- anticipating the next patch

I was trying to check my email, and stumbled onto the boards by accident, and decided to post something amusing.

- Patch 1.31 will only include the arm patches fix
- that that caused server connection problems. Testing
- on it will begin next week and public release is
- expected in 3 weeks.

All 30 of us are working hard for 3 weeks to fix a problem that never existed. One sec the Pizza is here....

- Tony Ray, from Even Balance, is working
- closely with our team in integrating Punkbuster and
- everything is going smoothly. More to come on this
- later.

The only guy who knows what he is doing is recovering from our nudy party we held the first day, apparently he didn't take to well to our open invitation. When he is back maybe we will have someone to look up to who can do this so called "programming..."

- The SA servers (windows - linux) will hit testing in
- a few days. Exact release on this is uncertain right
- now.

Our monkies finally hit the big "Create Linux Server" button with their poo, and now we have to send it off to be tested. Unfortunately, our tester, a janitor named Bob, is still cleaning his school so we aren't sure when the linux server will be out.

- What can you expect in the future?

LOL As if we care

- Patch 1.4 is being worked on and is scheduled
- for release at the end of August. This is shaping up
- to be the largest patch thus far in terms of bug
- fixes and improvements.

We finally got our shipment of bananas in, so the monkeys can get back to work. We are looking to hit the 10mb limit for our patchs, and are looking forward to fixing the old bugs and introducing some really cool new ones. Wait til you see the one that happens when you try to switch from your Pistol to a frag..! It's halarious man, y'all are gonna love it!

- Plans for an official MOD and release of an SDK
- are underway (expect both to come later).

We are going to wait til we are on a new game to give the SDK out so we won't be able to watch people school us so badly it hurts.

- That's it for now. I'll continue to post updates
- as I get 'em.

[edit personal insults]

- Samuray "Volkan" Copur
- Community Manager
- ubi.com

Samuray "Vodka" Copur
Propagandist Specialist
ubicrap.com

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Message Edited on 07/03/0309:13PM by DayGlow

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 03:45 AM

Double post @_@

Message Edited on 07/03/0310:46PM by jAcKeL_PDW

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 04:12 AM

thanks for the constuctive post jackel. Don't post any more personal insults. You ***** and moan b/c there is no communication from the team and now you get it and you mock it. If you hate the game so much leave. You are wasting way too much time and energy on something you can't stand.

LoL DG, now it's even more pathetic, that's his job and that's all he can post???

LOL.

Of course no one ever responds to why RSE was able to spend half the day debating features in their forums, and yet still build THEIR OWN engine, and have all of their games recive Game of the Year Awards and above 90 for everything...? UBI has everything handed to them and they can't even sacrifice 2 minutes? DG, your comments only make them look stupider...

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 05:08 AM

and you can think and post that all you want, but when you start tossing personal insults, that crosses the line. I agree and don't like Ubi's philosphy on customer communication, but I don't own the company and get to dictate policy.

Honestly what I don't understand is why some people like yourself that has such a passionate hatred for the game/developers/producers keep coming back month after month only to toss insults aross the board. I can understand being frustrated when you got the game and it didn't meet your expectations and posting it on the board. But to keep coming back day after day for months on end only to **** it doesn't make sense. Move on. Find something you like. Not every game you buy is a winner. I was bitterly disapointed in SOFII. After all the glowing previews I found the game fell flat and didn't perform all that hot compared to other Q3 games. I moved on. IMHO RvS is a good game. I enjoy SP. I never have been a big MP fan and this wouldn't be my game of choice for MP. I don't have time to play with a group of people regularly and a CT game such as this would need good teamwork to be successful in multi.

First off, if you will notice, I'm not on here every single day. I post for like 5-7 days , and then don't come back fora couple weeks. I try and tell my self....maybe if I wait, something will happen and I'll come back and everything will be cool....

I come back again and again though, because It saddens me that this series is going to end like this, waddling around in crappy programming, incompetent devs, and crappy support. And this is my feeble attempt to rant.

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 05:26 AM

DayGlow wrote:
- thanks for the constuctive post jackel. Don't post
- any more personal insults. You b!tch and moan b/c
- there is no communication from the team

ps had to edit it coz i cant post with B!TCH

gezz the languge from the admins

we cant say [edit] i know coz i got warned
but are able to say B!tch
http://fubarnz.homestead.com/files/btch.JPG

now ill get warning after this i bet
two standards???????????

Message Edited on 07/04/03â 04:27AM by nzlzn

<font color="#FF9900">EDIT by Pope: Yes, we do allow "*****" as in "complain," and we always have. Question: if you have been warned once for saying something, why say it again? Two strikes for you...

If you have a question or concern about the rules, PM a mod and we'll be sure to straighten it out.</font>

What the hell are you talking about spoiled with RSE? They stopped making patches 2 months after Rogue Spear was released. They did absolutely nothing to stop cheating and the game was far from perfect

At least UBI is continuing to support the game with patches and anti cheating software and while it may be taking awhile, they are at least giving it an effort.

If you are so sick of the game, lack of communication, and bi<a></a>tch and moan when there is some, them quite frankly get off the forums and go to hell.

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 06:13 AM

Easy guys. Any additional flaming is going to earn that person a week's vacation from the forums. Keep it clean and civil...

UbiSoft/RSE Forum Moderator
ICQ [15950501]
pope@theheap.net

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 06:30 AM

as u put his in public forum it is up for debate

EDIT by Pope: Yes, we do allow "EDIT" as in "complain," and we always have. Question: if you have been warned once for saying something, why say it again? Two strikes for you...

If you have a question or concern about the rules, PM a mod and we'll be sure to straighten it out.

1 why then when qouteing a post i wasnt able to use the B word?
2 why is this my second warning as i nvr once swore?
3 i said it again as a reffernce so really

and who is flaming who here and idea who u talk to would be better

Message Edited on 07/04/0305:34AM by nzlzn

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 06:34 AM

Thanks, Volkan! It's nice to get updates, even if the patch is going to take a while. However, pass this along to the dev team: "What you people do with this patch and how you continue to handle customer support and service will make or break every one of your reputations as game devs".

You guys have people so mad at you and UbiSoft that if a lynch mob was possible, you all would be twisting in the wind from a tree in Montreal city square. So, assimilate your fertillizer and get this thing fixed!

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 06:37 AM

Yeah, I think it may be too late for a turn around really. I mean, if we would have been able to work on mods from the very start, you might have seen some really good objective-based gameplay modes come out and such. But by the time that hits, you're staring down the barrel of Half-Life 2, the original which spawned somewhere in the neighbourhood of 86 million mods.

So that's likely to happen again. Anyone who would be doing any SERIOUS mods for this game are going to jump ship, come up with their own tactical shooter (degenerate it into totally random occurrances) and become wildly popular spawning a retail release and everything.

Meaning, give us an UnrealEd that hasn't been deliberately crippled and let us get something going.

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 06:43 AM

nzlzn wrote:
- as u put his in public forum it is up for debate
-
- EDIT by Pope: Yes, we do allow "EDIT" as in
- "complain," and we always have. Question: if you
- have been warned once for saying something, why say
- it again? Two strikes for you...
-
- If you have a question or concern about the rules,
- PM a mod and we'll be sure to straighten it out.
-
- 1 why then when qouteing a post i wasnt able to use
- the B word?
- 2 why is this my second warning as i nvr once swore?
- 3 i said it again as a reffernce so really
-
-
- and who is flaming who here and idea who u talk to
- would be better

1) The mods can bypass the language filter. The filter is the same for all UBI forums, including those that have a 'G' rating. We don't have access to the filter list. I believe "pissed" is also prohibited by the filter, but we don't have a problem with it.

2) You said you were warned the first time you posted with xxxx, but apparently you never had before, as I found when I went through all your previous posts. Not sure why you posted that, but in any case, that would be your first warning then, not your second.

UbiSoft/RSE Forum Moderator
ICQ [15950501]
pope@theheap.net

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 07:26 AM

ThumperDFN wrote:
- Thanks, Volkan! It's nice to get updates, even if
- the patch is going to take a while. However, pass
- this along to the dev team: "What you people do with
- this patch and how you continue to handle customer
- support and service will make or break every one of
- your reputations as game devs".
-
- You guys have people so mad at you and UbiSoft that
- if a lynch mob was possible, you all would be
- twisting in the wind from a tree in Montreal city
- square. So, assimilate your fertillizer and get
- this thing fixed!
-
-

jAcKeL_PDW wrote:
-- Plans for an official MOD and release of an SDK
-- are underway (expect both to come later).
-
- We are going to wait til we are on a new game to
- give the SDK out so we won't be able to watch people
- school us so badly it hurts.

Zing.

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 09:28 AM

My concern, is that this is a show stopping bug. The servers crash. It needs a hotfix. 3 weeks? When the issue has already been around for a couple?

Not good enough!

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 09:36 AM

jAcKeL_PDW wrote:
- Let us take a look at Volkan's post and de-bullcrap
- it, so it is readable in real life terms.
-
-
--- Here's a quick heads up for all of you eagerly
--- anticipating the next patch
-
- I was trying to check my email, and stumbled onto
- the boards by accident, and decided to post
- something amusing.
-
-
-
-- Patch 1.31 will only include the arm patches fix
-- that that caused server connection problems. Testing
-- on it will begin next week and public release is
-- expected in 3 weeks.
-
- All 30 of us are working hard for 3 weeks to fix a
- problem that never existed. One sec the Pizza is
- here....
-
-
-
-- Tony Ray, from Even Balance, is working
-- closely with our team in integrating Punkbuster and
-- everything is going smoothly. More to come on this
-- later.
-
- The only guy who knows what he is doing is
- recovering from our nudy party we held the first
- day, apparently he didn't take to well to our open
- invitation. When he is back maybe we will have
- someone to look up to who can do this so called
- "programming..."
-
-
-
-- The SA servers (windows - linux) will hit testing in
-- a few days. Exact release on this is uncertain right
-- now.
-
- Our monkies finally hit the big "Create Linux
- Server" button with their poo, and now we have to
- send it off to be tested. Unfortunately, our tester,
- a janitor named Bob, is still cleaning his school so
- we aren't sure when the linux server will be out.
-
-
-
-- What can you expect in the future?
-
- LOL As if we care
-
-
-
-- Patch 1.4 is being worked on and is scheduled
-- for release at the end of August. This is shaping up
-- to be the largest patch thus far in terms of bug
-- fixes and improvements.
-
- We finally got our shipment of bananas in, so the
- monkeys can get back to work. We are looking to hit
- the 10mb limit for our patchs, and are looking
- forward to fixing the old bugs and introducing some
- really cool new ones. Wait til you see the one that
- happens when you try to switch from your Pistol to a
- frag..! It's halarious man, y'all are gonna love it!
-
-
-
-- Plans for an official MOD and release of an SDK
-- are underway (expect both to come later).
-
- We are going to wait til we are on a new game to
- give the SDK out so we won't be able to watch people
- school us so badly it hurts.
-
-
-
-- That's it for now. I'll continue to post updates
-- as I get 'em.
-
- [edit personal insults]
-
-
-- Samuray "Volkan" Copur
-- Community Manager
-- ubi.com
-
- Samuray "Vodka" Copur
- Propagandist Specialist
- ubicrap.com
-
-
-
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
- <img
- src="http://www.da-shiz.net/images/upload/jeffgee.
- jpg">
-
- Message Edited on 07/03/03â 09:13PM by DayGlow

Hmm, let's see now.... Let me run this through the ol' DE-CYNICIZER... Taking a bit longer than I expected...

...

SYSTEM ERROR SYSTEM ERROR :: WRITTEN TEXT CANNOT BE DECYNICIZED BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT HAS EITHER TOO MUCH FREE TIME AND/OR TOO MUCH SAND IN HIS ****** :: SYSTEM ERROR SYSTEM ERROR

Well if they dont take there time testing it then we may have even an even worse problem then servers crashing, if it takes 3 more weeks to make sure this patch isnt going to make things worse then let them have.
I can understand that some of you are frustrated but its gonna be time to fix these bugs without making more bugs.

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 10:01 AM

LOL NU THAT WAS SO FUNNY YOU ARE SO LEET LOL ROXOR MY BOXORS....

If you don't like it, then just scrunch that small little mass of grey, and leave the thread...because you obviously don't get the tone of humor....

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 10:32 AM

Thx for the update Volkan.
Its a shame that things are abit slow in coming (Icant RVS at all after the V1.3 patch/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif ) but IâÂ´d rather the patches were fully tested and tweaked before release...
So its back to RTCW ET and BF1942 until after august.

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 12:02 PM

Here is why I have a problem with this information, and yes, I understand the Volkan is just relaying this to us.

The standalone servers were said to be near-completion over a FRIGGIN MONTH ago. NOW they're going into testing?

The armpatch screw-up...how in the hell can they even TRY to justify a 3-week wait for something as critical, common, and downright STUPID of a mistake as this? I mean what the hell, do the developers only work from 1-2pm, on every third Monday of the month? Is that why they suck at completion dates and doing things properly?

Speaking of which, a REAL patch to fix problems is going to come only...let's see..March 18th or so the game went retail, August 30th or so a real patch is scheduled for...that would make it FIVE MONTHS--FIVE DAMN MONTHS before they actually FIX something!? Most games with critical problems upon release have a development team that has a patch ready the DAY it goes retail, yet with Ubi get get to wait over 150 days for anything remotely HELPFUL.

This is a bunch of crap.

Shadow bug, frag bug, spawn bug, armpatch bug, not being able to switch to a gun without pulling another ****ing grenade out first like we're controlling ******ed operatives created by Walt Disney with strings, silencer poll shows more damange should be dealt, frame rates are COMPLETELY independant it seems of system specs, fluid peek cheat (has that been fixed?). I know there is a countless list of others include the netcode that I'm missing.

SOMEONE needs to put the Dev's arses in gear because this is a complete joke and they're spitting in the face of the people who BOUGHT this game to support THEIR supposed 'work.'

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 12:18 PM

I'm pretty contempt with RVS.

My clan and I play hours on end with no problems. We enjoy it so much we rent a Raven Shield server for $112/month. The package includes a public 16 player server, web domain, web space, and a team speak channel all hosted on an OC-192 connection in Dallas.

Ya... RVS sure is good. It has a few bugs but big deal. I trust Ubisoft with patches because I remember how well there patches for Splinter Cell did. They were incredible about what they achieved.

My moneys already down for Athena Sword. Can't wait for that. And of course Rainbow Six 4 (If there ever is one).

What saddens me about RVS is this.

I don't know why, but I read about a few companys that were planning to do mods for Raven Shield. These were going to be big time mods (Like Desert Combat is to BF1942) but they all stopped process because Ubi decided not to release a SDK. So, they took there project to Half-Life II and are already working on it, even though its not out.

I was rather bummed about this because I would enjoy a good Mod or two. Especially a jungle type of thing.

I was also baffled about the 1.3 patch. The server crash on "Deploying Teams...1" crash bug interests me because I keep wondering how the developers (Or beta testers) missed this.

But like I said in the beginning, I see a better future for RVS sometime after the 1.4 release in August and can't wait. I also believe stand alone servers will double the amount of players, but who knows...

Im ranting aren't I? I'll shut up.

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 12:33 PM

jAcKeL_PDW wrote:
- LOL NU THAT WAS SO FUNNY YOU ARE SO LEET LOL ROXOR
- MY BOXORS....
-

> it's great to know that this game is going to be
> including some positive changes. And soon.

Where does the "soon" part come into it?

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 03:05 PM

thx volcan

official mod - does this mean something like 1.0?

XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 03:23 PM

Equatis wrote:
- I'm pretty contempt with RVS.

We have a winner for the "Today's Most Appropriate Typo" contest!

- Ya... RVS sure is good. It has a few bugs but big
- deal. I trust Ubisoft with patches because I
- remember how well there patches for Splinter Cell
- did. They were incredible about what they achieved.
- My moneys already down for Athena Sword. Can't wait
- for that. And of course Rainbow Six 4 (If there ever
- is one).

If they manage to make it vaguely realistic, I might buy it. But if, like in RvS, they just pay lip service to realism and tell the authentic gun stats (for instance) to bugger off and stop bothering them, then forget it - Ubi's lost another sale.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 05:11 PM

What are you going to do DG? We are perfectly within the boundries of the forums, I was just agreeing with Nu...

And Jason, I believe you are wrong, it's 4-5 every SECOND TUESDAY...Like they are going to take the effort to get up monday... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But besides that, Jason hits it right on the head...

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 06:44 PM

VD_WeNDiGo wrote:
- Well if they dont take there time testing it then we
- may have even an even worse problem then servers
- crashing, if it takes 3 more weeks to make sure this
- patch isnt going to make things worse then let them
- have.
- I can understand that some of you are frustrated
- but its gonna be time to fix these bugs without
- making more bugs.
-

Please excuse my friend Wendigo here. He is obviously new to this game and these forums. Otherwise he would not be making such a naive statement.

F.Y.I Wendigo; RvS was 3 months late in shipping because the devs wanted to get "all the wrinkles out". :-b

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 09:19 PM

DG, I would like to know how my statements were insulting...

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XyZspineZyX

07-04-2003, 09:31 PM

KungFu_CIA wrote:
-
- How long is UBI going to support a game that has
- less than 1600 players online at a time?
-
- How long is UBI going to support what essentially
- will be a "dead horse" when Half-Life II or Soldner
- comes out?
-

those 1600 players are the players online at any given moment, not the total who play the game online. and there are even more people out there who have the game, but don't play online often or not at all (well... maybe not even more ppl, but u get the idea).

UBI will support this game by paying its developers to work on the game. Just because half life 2 will be big doesn't mean that ubi soft is gonna go bankrupt or suddenly start a new big project and drop support for RvS.

I'm sorry UG that I'm able to restrain my more harsh thoughts, it must paint you that theres people on here who can argue within the limits.

I guess you can't take it?

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XyZspineZyX

07-05-2003, 06:00 AM

jAcKeL_PDW wrote:
- I'm sorry UG that I'm able to restrain my more harsh
- thoughts, it must paint you that theres people on
- here who can argue within the limits.
-
- I guess you can't take it?
-
- <img
- src="http://www.da-shiz.net/images/upload/jeffgee.
- jpg">

Well to be honest, nothing really paints me much anymore. If facet I dont know if I have ever been painted.

what part of the no flaming rule do you not understand? You want to post your opinion? Fine, back it up, don't just toss flames around.

DayGlow/moderator

Message Edited on 07/05/0305:49AM by DayGlow

XyZspineZyX

07-05-2003, 05:34 PM

Thumpity bump!

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XyZspineZyX

07-05-2003, 08:43 PM

- those 1600 players are the players online at any
- given moment, not the total who play the game
- online. and there are even more people out there who
- have the game, but don't play online often or not at
- all (well... maybe not even more ppl, but u get the
- idea).
-
- UBI will support this game by paying its developers
- to work on the game. Just because half life 2 will
- be big doesn't mean that ubi soft is gonna go
- bankrupt or suddenly start a new big project and
- drop support for RvS.
-
-

Mechwarrior 4 had like 50 players online at any time, it got an expansion pack, two semi-expansion packs, and a sequel sort of thing.

XyZspineZyX

07-08-2003, 10:56 PM

Bump. Volkan any thoughts on my post on page 2 about why it takes the Dev team so long to do anything, and why they never do it right?

-Jas

XyZspineZyX

07-08-2003, 11:06 PM

Do us all a favor and ban Jackal. I'm tired of listening to him whine.

XyZspineZyX

07-09-2003, 12:45 AM

jrrich0000 wrote:
- Do us all a favor and ban Jackal. I'm tired of
- listening to him whine.
-
-

Couldnt agree more

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XyZspineZyX

07-09-2003, 12:50 AM

They need to speed things up. I mean the turn-around time to fix something you broke is just pathetic.

Is there any way we can know how many devs they have working, how many hours each (average), and what kind of educational background (for computers / games related), and how long they were in school (or GPA)???

I really think we deserve to know, since simple fixes (that shouldn't have slipped by 1.3) is going to be taking 3 weeks for a fix to come out (including the 2 weeks since the bug was noted)...

I can understand how tweaking the fix, and all this good stuff would take a long time. But I believe we deserve to know if it is warranted, and if something is hampering this process (such as poor programming skills, lack of man-power, tediousness programming (bigger bug than we think), or etc...).

Basically... how do they figure???

again, thanks for the updates... and it's too bad that on these updates the devs get reemed; but they pretty much deserve it at this point. I know that I could sit here and say that "oh wait till 1.4", but that's what we all said about 1.3.

Also, Jackal PDW, I was LOL reading your post. It was pretty funny; too bad it doesn't really show much appreciation for the update. But I hear ya...

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XyZspineZyX

07-09-2003, 07:10 PM

One question:

How many of you guys actually program? I don't mean putting out a little utility in VB- I mean really really program?

Those of you who do (I have college courses in it but don't really program either) know one thing:

bugfixes are probably the single hardest thing a coder does. Not only do you have to figure out where the bad lines of code are-- not the easiest thing since most if not all bugs don't replicate 100%, and often reside across multiple modules-- but you have to make sure that the fix you implement has no synergistic effects (ie that the bugfix does not break anything else)

Now imagine that you are working with already buggy code you bought from another company. You weren't in on the original developement, but are coming in later, so you don't have a full grasp of the codebase. You tack on your code and presto! A spaghetti farm!

The slow rate of fixes from the developers probably results from the above.

The lack of communication on these issues is another matter entirely.

XyZspineZyX

07-09-2003, 07:16 PM

I used to program (not heavily, like you mentioned), but Ubisoft developed the Unreal engine theirselves. They made Unreal. They were the ones who decided to use that same engine for the next installment of the Rainbow Six series.

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XyZspineZyX

07-09-2003, 08:18 PM

The amount of advertising of Xbox games ubi does on their site leads me to believe that they have no interest in the PC version whatsoever, i should imagine they get a hefty sum of money from microsoft for doing xbox ports its prob alot easier since they dont need to constantly patch a console game and most console ports are usually dumbed down to some degree in certain areas.

since the release of the xbox, microsoft has thrown millions and millions at the publishers and developers this has made the pc much less important, the situation will prob get much worse and titles will stopped being developed for the pc altogether.

the blatant greed of ubi is astonishing they've spent god knows how long development time on this pathetic CD-key login crap even on small LAN games and disguised this feature with the ladder rankings, its almost identical system used by some high end software that makes u logon when opening the programme, what next a dongle with every version!

im sick and tired of this greed and i will make damn sure that i avoid buying anything the the words UBI on the box in the future.

goodbye

Message Edited on 07/09/0307:21PM by madmanxx

XyZspineZyX

07-09-2003, 09:37 PM

Ambassador wrote:
- I used to program (not heavily, like you mentioned),
- but Ubisoft developed the Unreal engine theirselves.
- They made Unreal.

Witness wrote:
-
- Ambassador wrote:
-- I used to program (not heavily, like you mentioned),
-- but Ubisoft developed the Unreal engine theirselves.
-- They made Unreal.
-
- Err, no they didn't. Unreal was coded by the guys
- at Epic.

Right, that was what I meant. They bought the engine from someone else, and from what I have read, it was not the final version of the engine, either. So they have not only their own bugs, but the bugs from the engine build they bought and the bugs that come from the meshing of the two.

No fun.

XyZspineZyX

07-09-2003, 11:42 PM

jrrich0000 wrote:
-
-
-
- Right, that was what I meant. They bought the
- engine from someone else, and from what I have read,
- it was not the final version of the engine, either.
- So they have not only their own bugs, but the bugs
- from the engine build they bought and the bugs that
- come from the meshing of the two.
-
- No fun.
-
-

where do you guys get all this info?can u gimme a link or something plz?

cheers

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XyZspineZyX

07-09-2003, 11:48 PM

when they purchased the licience it was the most recent Unreal Tech build. I imagine you could either buy the current engine in the licience, or get updates. I've read that around 70% of the code was changed when programing the game, so it wouldn't be all that easy for them to just 'drop in' the updated Unreal Tech code. They could probably modify it some, but who really knows unless they are on the inside.