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11-17-2008 08:30 AM

bshipp

Jeff's answer on sailing rigs is certainly one of the most complete I've ever read, and is definitely worthy of the publication he intends.

I have a staysail ketch and I would never go back to a sloop, for exactly the reason Jeff suggests -- I really like the more traditional look and feel of the ketch rig. I agree that a sloop is probably the best option for a new sailor.

11-15-2008 11:31 PM

dsestini

Many of the early fiberglass yawls were very poorly engineered

Jeff I was with you on the pros and con’s of Sloop’s vs Yawl’s and Ketches until you made note that “Many of the early fiberglass yawls were very poorly engineered”. I believe you are “kind of” right if you had stated that they where so darn over built that, that could be perceived as poor engineering. While the early Bristol’s may had a problem like many new boats of today. The Block Island 40’s, Bermuda 40’s and many other where built like tanks. Now I’m bias, I’m an owner of a BI 40. She has turned 50 the boat has not had on signal structural issue, the biggest problem we have with her is trying to get deck fittings and through hull fittings long enough to make it through. As for a back stay going around the mizzen mast, I would argue this point as well. Many slops have split back stays for a number of reason, some for racing and some just to get to the swim platform. I have seen many Ketches with a stay from the mizzen mast to the main mast but many not yawls. Our mizzen mast has no back stay or fore stay and relies on being a stiff keel step mast. All the rigging on our mizzen is original, stays, turnbuckles extra with out any failure. I suspect the people at Hinckley knew what they where doing as well.

Every aspect of sailing is a trade off, and finding the right boat for you can be a long journey in its self. If I had the chance to meet the late Bill Tripp JR. I would thank him for his poor engineering. Our BI 40 loves a stiff 20 knot on the beam with only about 10 degrees of heel under jib and jigger averaging 8 knots. For myself I wouldn’t trade my old yawl for any other boat on the market.

03-05-2007 07:39 AM

sailingdog

Given Besttrav USA's handle, and thier post, which is completely off topic, my guess is that it is a spammer warming up to the site...and not really caring about the thread dates.

Best Trav USA ===> best travel USA... hmm...

03-05-2007 12:34 AM

camaraderie

Ditto Bestravusa...welcome. You also might wanna check the dates on the threads you respond to as this one died way back in 2003! No problem...just something to be aware of.

If you ask a question we'll answer it...but after a while...we'll go crazy...that's how it is....thought you might want to know that....

Welcome to Sailnet.....

03-04-2007 08:55 PM

besttravusa

Hello!

Nice site!

06-17-2003 07:41 PM

BStang

New to Sailing, please Help =)

Good question. This is definately one that causes much heated debate among sailors. I have always said that if a man overboard rescue (the quick stop method) is performed properly, the victim will not be on either the leeward or windward side. Ideally the bow will be pointed directly into the wind enabling the boat to come to a complete stop next to the victim.

06-02-2003 02:58 PM

Sailormon6

New to Sailing, please Help =)

Give me a break Bob. We can agree that hitting a MOB with a sailboat at 7 kts might hurt him. But, of the four or five different MOB techniques I can think of, none of them suggest that you approach the MOB at 7 kts. They all recommend that you bring the boat nearly to a stop as you approach the person in the water. So, when you aim at the MOB, the boat should be coasting toward him at a slow speed when you reach him. I didn''t suggest that you run the MOB down at seven kts! Sheesh!

06-02-2003 02:01 PM

bob_walden

New to Sailing, please Help =)

Yikes! This sounds scary. I disagree that you won''t hurt the person in the water by hitting them with a sailboat. Consider that sailing vessels wind up with cracked hulls from hitting flotsam like 2x4''s--then consider the impact that it took to crack the hull. Fiberglass is hard! It''s harder than someone''s skull, believe me...

What you need to do with a MOB drill is come back to the MOB under control and _stop_ within a boathook''s reach. It''s easy to get back to them, and it''s easy to stop--it''s just not easy to do both at the right time. That''s why we practice.

Don''t plan your MOB drills around the "speed retrieval" method. This is fine if you''re picking up a SEAL after a mission, but it''s no good if one of a 2-person crew is unconscious in the water. And please don''t run them down either!

bw

05-30-2003 11:30 AM

Sailormon6

New to Sailing, please Help =)

I was taught to steer the sailboat straight at them, as if to run them down, because you want to be sure you are close enough to them to recover them on the first try. You don''t want to have to go around and try a second time. A sailboat approach to a MOB isn''t made at a speed that is likely to hurt the person in the water. It''s more important that you recover the person on the first try than on which side you recover them.

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