Post by coachmike73 on May 14, 2019 22:50:11 GMT -6

Evening Coaches,

My name is Michael and I am a HS school coach in the 4A division in Indiana. We are currently prepping for our upcoming season and analyzing tape from the 2018 season. Last weekend we learned that a new team will join our division. They are running a big 3 TE set (13 Personnell) that is giving us a major headaches. Our base front is a 4-3 Over, but we certainly will be outnumbered with this front and are discussing heavily internally on a way to counter mainly their inside/outside zone. 3-5-3, 4-4-3, 5-2-4 all were in the room.Whats your experience with this front? Any suggestions or resources to investigate would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Coach M

Post by mkuempel on May 16, 2019 8:39:05 GMT -6

I would suggest not changing your base defense to combat one team, unless you decide to make that wholesale change for the season. One big thing I would look at is how your personnel matches up with their personnel in this formation. I like the alignment above from coachscdub, but make sure that your S, SC and $ can physically match up with the 3 TEs they are putting on the field. Are they all 3 bulldozer converted lineman types, all receiving types that they are just trying to mess with your alignment or are they a combination? This could help you match up with them, if you get a feel of what they are trying to do with the 3 TEs.

Post by gccwolverine on May 16, 2019 9:55:55 GMT -6

They are mainly running 3 TE on one side (two off, one on) Single back away from this and on WR on the opposite as well.

We're a 4-3 over team. We play mostly match 3 so it looks like the old school 4-4.

I would play this set with a 1-5 to the weak side, a 3-9 to the strong side, the SS would be a stand up "13 tech" off the outside off TE, my sam would stack my 9 so he can fit C-D My Mike would be a 20 backer and my will would push into the box and be a 30 backer. We'd spill everything - it leaves us weak to the boundary with the will being into the box but it is what it is.

Post by gccwolverine on May 16, 2019 10:04:23 GMT -6

They are mainly running 3 TE on one side (two off, one on) Single back away from this and on WR on the opposite as well.

We're a 4-3 over team. We play mostly match 3 so it looks like the old school 4-4.

I would play this set with a 1-5 to the weak side, a 3-9 to the strong side, the SS would be a stand up "13 tech" off the outside off TE, my sam would stack my 9 so he can fit C-D My Mike would be a 20 backer and my will would push into the box and be a 30 backer. We'd spill everything - it leaves us weak to the boundary with the will being into the box but it is what it is.

Corner is over the top of the outside wing at about 8 yards deep, Free MOF, BC is 7*1 to the #1 WRs basically has him where ever he goes.

Post by s73 on May 16, 2019 16:07:41 GMT -6

I don't think personally you can bump too much to that side b/c they can pull across the formation and outnumber you that way. I think it comes down to coverage and gap assignment.

An example would be playing a 3-4 C2.

Align like you normally would, to the strong side you have a 4 / 9 taking away B /C gap & a corner outside the widest TE.

To be sound you need a d gap player to split the 2 TE's and you have gap integrity while being sound on the weak side if they pull across.

Could have C2 safety read hats for Initial run / pass look and fill, or could reduce weak side & bump backers over a man & now you have the LB in a good scrape position. Still have the Safety capable of filling on the run as necessary.

Just my thoughts.

PS - Anybody who can find 3 TE's that can move / pull etc is prob pretty good anyway and any struggle you have may be related to talent more than scheme. I struggle to find one (LOL).

Post by dubber on May 17, 2019 19:08:16 GMT -6

Don’t overthink this

"Football linemen are motivated by a more complicated, self- determining series of factors than the simple fear of humiliation in the public gaze, which is the emotion that galvanizes the backs and receivers."

Post by chi5hi on May 17, 2019 20:07:16 GMT -6

My name is Michael and I am a HS school coach in the 4A division in Indiana. We are currently prepping for our upcoming season and analyzing tape from the 2018 season. Last weekend we learned that a new team will join our division. They are running a big 3 TE set (13 Personnell) that is giving us a major headaches. Our base front is a 4-3 Over, but we certainly will be outnumbered with this front and are discussing heavily internally on a way to counter mainly their inside/outside zone. 3-5-3, 4-4-3, 5-2-4 all were in the room.Whats your experience with this front? Any suggestions or resources to investigate would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Coach M

Don't let unbalanced line or tight trips freak you out.

Balance pre-snap numbers. It's not that difficult. For example...you can shift your D.Line over one man to the trips side and leave the Center un-covered.

Another way is to leave your front intact and Tilt (a CB plays in a Safety position with a Two structure) the secondary. Its a pre-snap roll.

Matching pre-snap numbers is the trick. You can do it with the front or the secondary, either way.