How do you see the world and what has happened or is happening? Part 2

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Quite a fascinating time. Institutional legitimacy being questioned all over the place - police, banks, political parties, governments, etc. but the conservative forces of those institutions are pushing back.

I get a sense of nostalgia for other periods in history, but with so much of importance for the planet as a whole I don't think I'd want to live in any other time.

Quite a fascinating time. Institutional legitimacy being questioned all over the place - police, banks, political parties, governments, etc. but the conservative forces of those institutions are pushing back.

I get a sense of nostalgia for other periods in history, but with so much of importance for the planet as a whole I don't think I'd want to live in any other time.

This will prove to be a turning point in time for the planet ... Plutocracy and Oligarchy is in control and Democracy is being pushed back and will be destroyed ... our Freedoms are at stake. Divide and rule has been on the march since Thatcher.

This will prove to be a turning point in time for the planet ... Plutocracy and Oligarchy is in control and Democracy is being pushed back and will be destroyed ... our Freedoms are at stake. Divide and rule has been on the march since Thatcher.

Maybe. However there could be twists and turns ahead we don't see. History has a way of blindsiding those with power and throwing up something unexpected.

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A bunch of numbers. WRITE OFF!! Who the heck is owed to? Usual suspects who have more money and weath than they know what to do with.

Its more than that mate

national income isn't enough to cover national spending.....So like the average joe credit card - there are interest fees to pay
The population is aging - always has and always will, but back in the day when the model was thought out, the numbers were a mere fractions of todays numbers
Because the population is aging - healthcare costs are increasing too

Debt interest is 30 billion a year for those interested
the deficit between spending and income is 70billion - we are spending 70m more than we are generating
And we have sold all our national industries - the only thing left to sell is the crown jewels and the NHS

national income isn't enough to cover national spending.....So like the average joe credit card - there are interest fees to pay
The population is aging - always has and always will, but back in the day when the model was thought out, the numbers were a mere fractions of todays numbers
Because the population is aging - healthcare costs are increasing too

Debt interest is 30 billion a year for those interested
the deficit between spending and income is 70billion - we are spending 70m more than we are generating
And we have sold all our national industries - the only thing left to sell is the crown jewels and the NHS

As far as I know, they were only talking about the Debts which the Countries owe as National Debt. Not the consumer/private stuff. And even if they did include private debt, they could start by writing off the debts owed to the IMF/World Bank. It is in the case of National Debt really that easy. Especially for the very poor countries.

This will prove to be a turning point in time for the planet ... Plutocracy and Oligarchy is in control and Democracy is being pushed back and will be destroyed ... our Freedoms are at stake. Divide and rule has been on the march since Thatcher.

And we had Reagan/Bush.

I wasn't born till 91 but I pray for the Nixon years just to alleviate some of the suffering.

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But it wasn’t just those in power. The film shows how this strange world was built by all of us. We all went along with it because the simplicity was reassuring. And that included the left and the radicals who thought they were attacking the system. The film reveals how they too retreated into this make-believe world - which is why their opposition today has no effect, and nothing ever changes.

Whilst it maybe interesting - I see no confusion - bad is triumphing over good - or the black shadows are outflanking the knights of mercy

Corrupt politicians guilty of Lust, Greed, Envy
Gluttony - look at the obese - uneducated idiots that expect everything to be handed to them, as though they are entitled to it
Sloth - the failure to do wants needs doing - whether thats the poor driving allowed on the streets - whether its the 1.6trillion national debt, with no nationalised industries and to allow anyone in without the forethought that they are gonna grow old too.....
Terrorists don't need to be on the last mass as us to affect us with their dirty deeds, the march of technology has helped blur the lines

I don't get it, why are you taking the **** out of his religious beliefs?

I don't get it, how have you survived on this forum if that is your tolerance for offence?

Anyway, apologies if anyone has taken offence, it wasn't supposed to be targeted at religion at all. More a light hearted comment on what seemed to be a completely random and irrelevant post in the midst of a discussion about Boots.

I don't get it, how have you survived on this forum if that is your tolerance for offence?

Anyway, apologies if anyone has taken offence, it wasn't supposed to be targeted at religion at all. More a light hearted comment on what seemed to be a completely random and irrelevant post in the midst of a discussion about Boots.

Na I wasn't offended and now I get the Boots joke. I didn't read the Boots stuff only the title of the thread and then what BeautifulHistory wrote.