Cruise/Shields debate, what are your thoughts?

Well- I hate to get on my Cruise bashing bandwagon again, but I just can't believe this guy lately. I am one of the millions of women who have suffered from post-partum depression. After having my forth baby, I was just not myself. I was not having delusional or suicidal thoughts like Brooke Shields, but I can certainly sympathize with her. I was having a lot of anxiety, a few panic attacks...it was very scary for a person who likes to feel in control. I was not being a great mother to my four kids, I was just trying to make it through the day. I felt down, I felt overwhelmed, and my mood swings were lightning fast and something fierce. I felt out of control of my emotions and my reactions to the littlest things. This was not my normal personality. I cannot believe that Tom Cruise is out there spreading his beliefs that post-partum depression is not a real problem, that psychiatry in general is a pseudo-science? Where did this guy go to medical school? It is just sad to think that some women with true depression may look at him and think they can help themselves without professional help. People in the spotlight need to be careful about what messages they are sending out to the public. I just wanted to say that my Dr. truly helped me by prescribing Zoloft, after about 3 weeks I really started to notice a difference in my outlook on life, my mood swings stabilized, I gradually felt more myself and in control of my life again. Post-partum depression is a condition that not enough moms talk about with each other. There is nothing to be ashamed of, it is not the mom's fault. It truly is a chemical imbalance. Tom Cruise you are an idiot, and it's a shame you can never have a baby and experience post-partum depression. What are some of your thoughts on this? Did anyone else see his interview w/Matt Lauer and Brooke Shields op/ed piece in the New York Times?

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heart2heart said:"I say that people took God out of school and now satan is in there running around and people dont know what to do with him."

Dearheart, I believe that God is in the schools whether you get to tell my grandchildren when and how to pray or not. I also believe that satan is running around all over everywhere and people have usually not known what to do with him. That is why I pray frequently and silently "Dear God, guide me and guard me." What anyone else believes or whether he or she is praying is not my business.

I think Yellercoupe is missing the point. We were NOT bashing Mike2005 because of his point of view. WE were all upset over the way he presented it especially with his name-calling, generalizations, and insults.

Ryan's comment about "out-of-town" folks wasn't an insult either. Many times with the web and blog sites like this, people who are not local like to post and get everyone all riled up. The same was true with Trader Jpo's if you look back at prior blogging. Ryan can tell this because when you sign on you have to give an address. Obviously this guy did not have one. So it makes you wonder about the true adjenda. Since he never stopped with the insults even when post after post asked him to stop.

How did this become a debate about choosing God over drugs?
I thought the original point was to not shame women into keeping silent. If something is wrong - go talk to someone... your spouse, your friend, a cleryman, a doctor, all of the above. If someone says to change your diet and it doesn't work, don't be afraid to ask for another opinion. Meds aren't the only answer but you should not be made to feel ashamed if they are what work for you.
And I thank my Gods (and my meds) that I have a sense of humor, otherwise half of you would terrify me.

If God is everywhere so is Satan. Can't have one without the other. That's science, not just theology. "For every action..." Most scientists and physicians know that there is a God...or SOMETHING, a force that has inexplicable properties. It might be the simple concentration of human mental power desiring/demanding healing or change. It depends on where one is and what one's experiences are as to what one will accept.

I know several truly evil people; cruel, vindictive, totally selfish, totally destructive, and purposefully so. They have no satisfaction nor direction in life except to destroy others. Is that Satanic influence, an emotional or mental imbalance, or just the way that they were raised?

It's easier to blame Satan, or to excuse on the basis of disease, than to face the truth that these people are taking up our air and need to be forced to accept the responsibility of their own actions. That's why I despise any excuse - be it temporal or spiritual - because the ones who are thus excused never have to take responsibility.

Let me clarify quickly that I am neither a moderator nor an editor nor a sheriff. I would hope that my observations don't cause users to stereotype my role.

Since this sites inception we have had bloggers from outside of Bluffton butt heads with local folks, plain and simple. I have observed that their tone is usually not in line with the "call to leadership" that we are trying to establish and I try to point that out whenever conversations take a turn for the worse. I'm not here to direct what is said, as much as I am to keep an eye on how it's said.

The major difference between this blog site and others across the nation is our focus on hyperlocal issues, observations and opinions of fellow Blufftonians. If that means we have a small town mentality, then so be it...

It saddens me as I'm sure it does many that we can't see eye to eye. If you have never dealt with depression personally you cannot understand what it can do to you,and where it can take you. I think it is very important that people can relate to one another. That they have other people out there saying "yes you are not the only one to feel this way." If you have not had a problem you are lucky, but you also have no understanding for a person who says they have. To someone without depression it is non-existant. you can't concieve what goes through a persons brain, and that person can't just shut it off. When I post about something like this and share personnel information I believe I am helping to make Bluffton a better place. I'm letting people know that they are not alone, that other people do feel this way. I'm not saying go get yourself some zoloft and you'll be fixed. That was something I chose to do on my own because I hit rock bottom and it hurt and yes it has helped me.

itsjustme,
Thanks. I wish this site had exsisted 5 yrs ago when I thought I was alone in my suffering. You are absolutely right about not understanding unless you have been there. It's like speaking a different language. You can get the gist. I guess that is one of the things that upset me so with mike's comments yesterday. I kept asking (and so did others) for him to give us his personal experience with this. Share. Explain. Offer other avenues. Don't just lambaste.

Understand that we will never see eye to eye on every topic. That's part of what makes the world go round as they say. A few posts from someone who plopped on this site to cause problems should be ignored. The internet is full of people like that. One of the reasons I stayed away for so long.

The important thing is that we all have to remember tolerance. Everyone is different is every way and problems are real even if not to others.

I read this and thought it might be appropriate here since this blog got so out of hand:

Help us remember that the jerk who cut us off in traffic last night
is a single mother who worked nine hours that day and is rushing home to
cook dinner, help with homework, do the laundry and spend a few precious
moments with her children.
Help us to remember that the pierced, tattooed, disinterested young
man who can't make change correctly is a worried 19-year-old college
student, balancing his apprehension over final exams with his fear
of not getting his student loans for next semester.
Remind us, Lord, that the scary looking bum, begging for money in
the same spot every day (who really ought to get a job!) is a slave to
addictions that we can only imagine in our worst nightmares.

Help us to remember that the old couple walking annoyingly slow
through the store aisles and blocking our shopping progress are
savoring this moment, knowing that, based on the biopsy report she got
back last
week, this will be the last year that they go shopping together.
Heavenly Father, remind us each day that, of all the gifts you give
us, the greatest gift is love. It is not enough to share that love with
those we hold dear. Open our hearts not to just those who are close
to us, but to all humanity. Let us be slow to judge and quick to
forgive, show patience, empathy and love.

I'm not an overly religious person but sometimes I read this pray just to keep my opinion of people in perspective.

He, as well as Mike2005, are spouting off their opinions less as a well-informed mantra and more as a party line for his out-there religion. He has every right in the world to hold his belief, but the way of spouting off his opinion very much borders on the impeding on the lives of others.

I have just as much tolerance as the next guy, but if you scream in my face that I'm to blame for all my problems and the one potential cure to these problems is an easy way out that works no better than a placebo that's hyped up by drug companies, I have every right to get mad. (Disclaimer: I do not, nor have ever, taken anti-depressants.)

What you're suggesting Tom Cruise is saying and what he's actually saying are two different things. Going on Oprah and making a fool of himself, fine, he can do that.

But, just as your ministry shouldn't go out of it's way to force your beliefs on those who don't want to hear them, neither should Tom's.

I think those of you who look at what Tom's saying on face value should look at the motives of the organization that he and a boatload of other celebrities have taken into their lives. It's been called many things, one of them a massive fraud. And it is way too notorious for its own good.

The argument he and Mike are making is the stick. He and Mike want you to grab the carrot.

I haven't had a child, so I'm as qualified as Tom Cruise to discuss post partum depression.
He needs to understand that just because people enjoy watching him ACT, they don't necessarily take his opinion on things he knows nothing about.
He must really believe he has the world in his hand. I hope the child he intends to marry figures out she's making a mistake before she jumps into THAT kind of guy's life.
I couldn't believe the interview with Matt Lauer. He really seemed possessed! And all that jumping around over a girl he's known a few months. PLEASE spare the world your silly behaviour. I wonder if he realizes how silly he seems to those of us close to his age?

Putting everything he's worked for on the line? Don't you think he's been brainwashed just a tad by the Church of Scientology?
While I agree that medication is sometimes used as a quick fix in our society, I feel Mr. Cruise should keep his rants to a minimum because he doesn't speak from education. He speaks from what he's being told by his church. He is simply over the top and I lost any respect I had for him because he feels the need to battle someone over an issue he has never personally had to deal with. He can have his opinion, but it is unwise to generalize those who have post partum depression. He's a puppet of his church. I hope Miss Holmes doesn't have to go through it if she makes the mistake of marrying someone so rigid. She has her misery to look forward to!

This is for MIKE2005 Hey Mike (If thats your
name) After reading this extensive list of
blogs from many intellegent bloggers with their user names that are very frequently on.
Let me say that you sure do know how to stir up the pot, especially when you dont know a
DAMN thing about PP depression. I am amazed that so many responses to you have fell into your trap of stupidity. Come on guys and gals
give Mike credit for his sense of humor ???

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