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Re: Low Faculty Pay Causing ISU to Lose Top Talent?

I'm in the AeroE department right now. I can't speak for their reasons, but we've lost what many students deemed to be two of our better instructors in the last three years.

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Re: Low Faculty Pay Causing ISU to Lose Top Talent?

This may be true, and that would suck, but the reality is that you can only pay for what you can afford. Beyond that, all you can do is try to make your intagibles more attractive than the next school's.

Re: Low Faculty Pay Causing ISU to Lose Top Talent?

On the ag side of campus I know of quite a few faculty that bailed to other schools with better start up packages, internal support and less micromanaging. And of course, they've moved to the corporate world too. Administration is tying much of their future to commodity groups - pleasing them is priority number one. So, those groups have the thumb's up/down power over aspiring faculty's research, outreach and teaching activities. If you're not marching to their beat, soon you won't be marching. The ability to speak one's mind is disintegrating. ISU really isn't hiring anyone just to teach (or extension) anymore - it's all about research money.

Re: Low Faculty Pay Causing ISU to Lose Top Talent?

Originally Posted by bugs4cy

On the ag side of campus I know of quite a few faculty that bailed to other schools with better start up packages, internal support and less micromanaging. And of course, they've moved to the corporate world too. Administration is tying much of their future to commodity groups - pleasing them is priority number one. So, those groups have the thumb's up/down power over aspiring faculty's research, outreach and teaching activities. If you're not marching to their beat, soon you won't be marching. The ability to speak one's mind is disintegrating. ISU really isn't hiring anyone just to teach (or extension) anymore - it's all about research money.

Doesn't really bother me. They need that money somehow and it seems like it's always taken from the backs of young students.

Re: Low Faculty Pay Causing ISU to Lose Top Talent?

Doesn't really bother me. They need that money somehow and it seems like it's always taken from the backs of young students.

Gee, and all along I thought it caused someone from ISU to call my house about three times a day, seeking cash to give to students, whereas when I was a student, was expected to pay for myself.

You want a good education? Then pay for it. You get what you pay for. I don't go to a doctor that earned their medical degree via a Jamaican-based mail-order diploma course. You want cheap, go to a community college or maybe become a bricklayer apprentice.

It's not an American right to finish college with zero debt. I just paid my off - now, go to work and pay yours off.

Re: Low Faculty Pay Causing ISU to Lose Top Talent?

This is a response to both Kilgore and Alarson. It is fine to say "next man in" theoretically, but unfortunately when a faculty member, especially a good one, leaves today, there is sometimes no next man or woman because since the start of this decade, the University has not been adding new hires at the rate they are losing old ones. That may not be true for a few depts., but I will bet it is true for the majority.
Alarson questions the value of a degree these days, and I believe s/he is right. In fact, there are some critics of higher ed who are saying that the BS/BA degrees are not worth much anymore and think more folks should be going for the master's degree. Finally, on a thread that appeared here just a few days ago, people questioned the amount of support that the state gives ISU and noted that the % of state support versus total U. need has been going down for a number of years. That is true, and it is also part of the problems Kilgore and Alarson deal with. But we are not as bad off as some public schools. At the U. of Michigan, for instance, the amount of state support is only 7%!! And this is no directional institution but one of the best public universities in the country.

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