Unless Peyton Manning was willing to sign for the league minimum then there wasn't a chance in hell of him coming to Houston. We didn't even have the cap room to resign Winston, Briesel, and DeMeco Ryans. Did you want the Texans to cut even more quality players to go after Manning? Get rid of Foster, Brown, and probably a few other guys just to go after him? There was no realistic possibility of Manning come to Houston.

That's not true at all. There was a path to make a run at Peyton, but it needed to start the first minute of free agency.

Cutting/trading Schaub would have saved about 7.2 million in salary.
Cutting Walter would have saved 4.5 million at the time.
NOT cutting Demeco would have saved us about 3-4 million in salary this year as opposed to the dead money created AND he would still be on the team.
JJo could have restructured like he did this season to save about 3.66 million.
Cutting Winston freed up another 3-4 million.

It was possible for sure, but we didn't even attempt to get him, instead they chose to take the dead money this year for mistakes made in the past, and hope to use it on future players. Cutting or trading Schaub before the 2015 offseason is now unfeasible given his extension. Only avenue of an upgrade at QB is through the draft.

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he couldn't even beat a garbage 2-14 colts team without manning or luck.

he's not the answer. im sorry i don't see it. i'd say he looked worse than the rookies in this current draft class.

I never said Yates is the answer. I think he's as garbage as Schaub. Hell, last season I was hoping Kubiak let Jake Dellome start in the PA instead of Yates.
I don't even want Yates in our roster. As long as that guy is our backup QB Schaub's starting job will always be secure.

I never said Yates is the answer. I think he's as garbage as Schaub. Hell, last season I was hoping Kubiak let Jake Dellome start in the PA instead of Yates.
I don't even want Yates in our roster. As long as that guy is our backup QB Schaub's starting job will always be secure.

That's not true at all. There was a path to make a run at Peyton, but it needed to start the first minute of free agency.

Cutting/trading Schaub would have saved about 7.2 million in salary.
Cutting Walter would have saved 4.5 million at the time.
NOT cutting Demeco would have saved us about 3-4 million in salary this year as opposed to the dead money created AND he would still be on the team.
JJo could have restructured like he did this season to save about 3.66 million.
Cutting Winston freed up another 3-4 million.

It was possible for sure, but we didn't even attempt to get him, instead they chose to take the dead money this year for mistakes made in the past, and hope to use it on future players. Cutting or trading Schaub before the 2015 offseason is now unfeasible given his extension. Only avenue of an upgrade at QB is through the draft.

weve seen teams up against the cap every year manage to sign free agents. peyton got a deal that is essentially a one year deal, with guaranteed money up front.. and none of the money after year 1 being guaranteed... acrafty gm could hhave distributed the money differently and taken more of a risk. its clear manning neck/arm isnt an issue..

Wrong. Unless he is injured and can't pass a physical at the beginning of the new league year both years 2 and 3 are guaranteed at $20 mil per year.

Dutch - I am sorry but it is more than coming up with what could have been done to match 1st year salaries. The Texans would have had to clear 20% of their cap space for the next 5 years.

The only thing that has anything to do with accuracy in this post is what u say about schaub hanging someone out to dry..He had 1 throw where a guy was left out to dry...graham...where are these other "numerous" passes where he hung someone out to dry?

Also, 2 attempts past 10 yards has exactly what to do with accuracy?

50% YAC? Is that an official # or are u just talking out of your ass again?
And even if it was an official number, for those WR's to gain all that YAC, guess what? You've got to hit your WR's in stride or on point more often than not.

Of all the schaub haters, you're the 1 who makes the least sense...u should really stop posting..no really your posts are beyond terrible.

Oooo a challenge, I like this

Umm, the pass to AJ in the endzone was off target, he led him too much, Dre barely got his fingers on it.

The terrible throw that went for 6, the other way

In the 3rd quarter he over threw Aj down the sidelines by a mile, but we got lucky and had a holding call away from the play

Those are off the top my head, I bet if you break down film, theres more

2 attempts past 10 yards has to do with his ability to carry a team. He can't, hes a game manager, and nothing more.

The 50% of his yards are YAc is a very accurate stat, do some research. And it has nothing to do with hitting guys in stride when all your passes are less than 10 yards, its great scheming to get them wide freakin open.

Look, Schaub is a game manager and if the run game and defense are great, we win. Like Saturday. If they are point, Schaub won't carry us. Thats the only point us Schaub "haters" are trying to make, we think we need a new qb very soon because at some point the qb will have to drag us to a win, and Schaub can't do that

That's not true at all. There was a path to make a run at Peyton, but it needed to start the first minute of free agency.

Cutting/trading Schaub would have saved about 7.2 million in salary.
Cutting Walter would have saved 4.5 million at the time.
NOT cutting Demeco would have saved us about 3-4 million in salary this year as opposed to the dead money created AND he would still be on the team.
JJo could have restructured like he did this season to save about 3.66 million.
Cutting Winston freed up another 3-4 million.

It was possible for sure, but we didn't even attempt to get him, instead they chose to take the dead money this year for mistakes made in the past, and hope to use it on future players. Cutting or trading Schaub before the 2015 offseason is now unfeasible given his extension. Only avenue of an upgrade at QB is through the draft.

You need to walk me through this one Dutch; I think it's a whole more complicated than meet the eyes.

First, let sah we were able to trade Schaub, do we still have to spread the original signing bonus and the $10M option bonus from his fourth year and figure them into the cap hit?

Walter already had his salary cut to 2M in mid March, correct?

Keeping Demeco, and we still incur nearly $6M in salary and cap hit.
And he wouldn't happy in a reduced role.
Who knows, maybe they had a talk and both sides agreed that it's best for him to go to a 4-3 team.
Even if we had keep him, we will have a problem next year when his salary and cap hit increase.

Winston's salary is already accounted for.

I just don't see enough room for $18M.
Then if Manning passes the physical next year, it will trigger a salary of $20M guarantee the next two years (13 and 14).

I don't think it can work; and even if it does, it will put us in dire strait year after year.

Umm, the pass to AJ in the endzone was off target, he led him too much, Dre barely got his fingers on it.

lol, it was an out route dre was supposed to run thru..AJ couldn't get off the jam at the LOS and the timing was thrown off mainly b/c of that...that has zero to do with schaub. Schaub couldn't hold the ball any longer than he actually did b/c he had a guy in his face...it was still an extremely catchable ball..AJ would be the first to tell u he should've caught that b/c it was most definitely in his catch radius.

The terrible throw that went for 6, the other way

bad decision and great play by hall moreso than an accuracy issue.

In the 3rd quarter he over threw Aj down the sidelines by a mile, but we got lucky and had a holding call away from the play

lol, if AJ isn't impeded by the cb, AJ's got a shot at that ball...

Those are off the top my head, I bet if you break down film, theres more

2 attempts past 10 yards has to do with his ability to carry a team. He can't, hes a game manager, and nothing more.

that's not what your post was about, it was about accuracy...u can't even stay on point about your own posts..aside from that, WTF does that have to do with schaub? He doesnt call the plays.

The 50% of his yards are YAc is a very accurate stat, do some research. And it has nothing to do with hitting guys in stride when all your passes are less than 10 yards, its great scheming to get them wide freakin open.

oh, so now we're giving the great kubiak props for laying down a great scheme for schaub to play in? Your hate knows no bounds.....so why then did our great scheme not show up last year for yates when our ppg fell to like 17 ppg once schaub went out? why did rex grossman look like a clown when he got his chance to play in this great scheme here and in washington? aside from that, your statement makes zero sense and further shows that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Look, Schaub is a game manager and if the run game and defense are great, we win. Like Saturday. If they are point, Schaub won't carry us. Thats the only point us Schaub "haters" are trying to make, we think we need a new qb very soon because at some point the qb will have to drag us to a win, and Schaub can't do that

This is what i want you to do before the next time you post. I want you to go watch some other qb's for an entire game that you deem better than schaub that aren't the elite qb's in the league. I want you to see how many passes that they put right in the bread basket of the WR and how many passes the WR has to adjust for; where they're either jumping up for, slowing down for, laying out for, going to the ground for. i guarantee u you will find at least the same amount of "inaccurate" passes if not more from each qb in these games b/c none of these guys r perfect.

Look, Schaub is a game manager and if the run game and defense are great, we win. Like Saturday. If they are point, Schaub won't carry us. Thats the only point us Schaub "haters" are trying to make, we think we need a new qb very soon because at some point the qb will have to drag us to a win, and Schaub can't do that

I thought we were scoring 27 ppg last year, because Schaub was more than a game manager. We figured we could win with Leinart, because he would only have to be a game manager. Yates came in & managed the game to 16 ppg.

Most of us..... I'm guessing not you, was convinced if Schaub were playing (& not the game manager) we would have beat the Ravens (because we averaged 27 ppg & our defense played better because Matt kept the other team off the field) & the way the Pats played in the AFCCG, there was little doubt here that Matt would have beat them as well.

I thought we were scoring 27 ppg last year, because Schaub was more than a game manager. We figured we could win with Leinart, because he would only have to be a game manager. Yates came in & managed the game to 16 ppg.

Most of us..... I'm guessing not you, was convinced if Schaub were playing (& not the game manager) we would have beat the Ravens (because we averaged 27 ppg & our defense played better because Matt kept the other team off the field) & the way the Pats played in the AFCCG, there was little doubt here that Matt would have beat them as well.

When did Matt become a "game manager" ?

After he hurt his foot

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However, I remember somebody thought Schaub could have gone to Walter deeper. I say no can do. If Schaub held up and waited for Walter to make the cut, a DT would have been right on him from the back side (splitting Newton and Foster.)

However, I remember somebody thought Schaub could have gone to Walter deeper. I say no can do. If Schaub held up and waited for Walter to make the cut, a DT would have been right on him from the back side (splitting Newton and Foster.)

Not to mention the FS was in play to intercept...we also dont know schaub's read progression.