Honest one, some of us judge people more by their actions than their words.

And some of us judge fabricators by their fabrications.

First of all, just exactly what constitutes "European style socialism"? What are its characteristics so that we may recognize it? And next, what specific "actions" has Obama taken that would lead you to believe he has a "plan to bring European style socialism to the USA"? And don't say the health care law, now, as Romney brought exactly the same thing to the American state of Massachussetts, and if there's one thing we know for sure it's that Republicans and their nominee Romney do not stand for European style socialism.

Well, we agree on one thing, Obama is a liar.You know damn well what European socialism is. I don't feel like typing out a long explanation. Actually, I was being charitable in that his heavy handed style of ruling by executive order reminds me more of fascist governments.

Actually, what we agreed on is that the talking heads on Fox who made up the whole, "Obama seems to have a plan for European style socialism" that you swallow whole because you heard it on TV are the liars.

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You know damn well what European socialism is. I don't feel like typing out a long explanation.

Well, that's fine, how about you just type out all the hard evidence that Obama has such a plan?

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Actually, I was being charitable in that his heavy handed style of ruling by executive order reminds me more of fascist governments.

The 135 executive orders he has signed so far in his 4 years are no different from those of your various fascist Republican heroes, and he's actually on a slower pace than your Republican fascists.

St. Reagan (381) (190 per 4 year term)GHW Bush (166) (166 per 4 year term)GW Bush (291) (145 per 4 year term)

Actually, what we agreed on is that the talking heads on Fox who made up the whole, "Obama seems to have a plan for European style socialism" that you swallow whole because you heard it on TV are the liars.

Actually, I don't watch Fox or any other news channel

Well, that's fine, how about you just type out all the hard evidence that Obama has such a plan

Why don't you just open your eyes and I won't have to waste my time typing.

That's nice, but it's still talking heads that made up that talking point you're faithfully regurgitating, of "Obama appears to have a plan for European style socialism".

That's exactly what I thought - No real evidence at all, just regurgitating the right wing noise machine's phony talking point.

Others may play your game but not me. Fact is , you don't understand jack and I could write a book and I doubt you ever read one. Try your BS on somebody else.The only thing that makes me regurgitate is sickos like you.

Others may play your game but not me. Fact is , you don't understand jack and I could write a book and I doubt you ever read one. Try your BS on somebody else.

"B.S." is parroting claims talking heads fabricated just because it sounds comfy, but having no actual facts whatsoever to back those claims up when challenged. Go ahead, lay out the facts and hard evidence that would prove "Obama has a plan for European style socialism".

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The only thing that makes me regurgitate is sickos like you.

Well, that's typical, too ... when someone questions your unsupported claims start calling names. That always makes for a more civil debate, as the old political threads proved beyond a doubt.

"B.S." is parroting claims talking heads fabricated just because it sounds comfy, but having no actual facts whatsoever to back those claims up when challenged. Go ahead, lay out the facts and hard evidence that would prove "Obama has a plan for European style socialism".

Well, that's typical, too ... when someone questions your unsupported claims start calling names. That always makes for a more civil debate, as the old political threads proved beyond a doubt.

So, a political article published in a far right publication that's known for being biased makes a claim that Obama uses the word common word "forward" as part of his campaign slogan and some communists also used the word common word "forward" (in their own languages), and that's your "proof" that Obama has a plan for "European style socialism"?

PS - "Forward" is also the state motto of Wisconsin. Didn't know we had a commie state in the good old US of A!

So, a political article published in a far right publication that's known for being biased makes a claim that Obama uses the word common word "forward" as part of his campaign slogan and some communists also used the word common word "forward" (in their own languages), and that's your "proof" that Obama has a plan for "European style socialism"?

PS - "Forward" is also the state motto of Wisconsin. Didn't know we had a commie state in the good old US of A!

I googled "obama similarities to european socialism" and came up with 1,700,000 hits.But wait, they are all in right wing publications. NOT! The fact is you are incorrigible. Continue on in your blissful state of ignorance. I am through with you.

I googled "obama similarities to european socialism" and came up with 1,700,000 hits.But wait, they are all in right wing publications. NOT!

Yes, there are numerous hits on that phrase and/or question ... but only some of them assert, like you do, that it's true.

A number of them are right wing propaganda machines repeating it ad neaseum like they Google bomb every right wing reactionary talking point, while others that come up in the same search dispute or destroy the notion that Obama is a European socialist. For instance hit #3, Yahoo answers come up there, and the writer claims,

"No.

Actual Socialists from Europe (and there are many, and socialist parties are common in many European countries) are far to the left of "progressive" or "liberal" parties in Europe.

True socialism is what many of those parties want, not a mixed free market like what Western Europe has adopted.

Mistaking social programs and social safeguards for socialism is a common mistake perpetuated by many of the conservatives on this site."

If you mean I can't be convinced by the lies and innuendo you try to pass off as "proof", I take that as a compliment.

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Continue on in your blissful state of ignorance.

I'm the ignorant one, all right. "I'm bowserkat. This biased righty rag says Obama's campaign slogan is the same as some backwater European communist parties, and that's proof enough for me he has a plan for European style socialism. How can he not? My party's talking heads have told me time and time again!"

The fact is that you are ignorant and gullible, never questioning the pap your party's talking heads try to jam into your head.