And now a personal note for Creodont2, whoever you are:Could you please issue a warning for ladies faint at heart before addressing Joe with stuff like this:

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Want to see what natural selection can do, up close and personal? Go to Yellowstone Park, go to the Fishing Bridge area (or pretty much anywhere else in the park), take off all of your clothes, pour a bottle of barbecue sauce all over yourself, and take a hike by yourself. You can even do it without the barbecue sauce.

Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-cAnd changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be.Little Richard Dawkins, loved that rascal Poof.And wrote him books to appease the kooks, oh what a silly goof!

Oh Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-cAnd changed them just by randomness just to see what he could bePoof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-cAnd changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be

Together they would mutate Poof into a beluga whaleRichard kept a spectroscope trained on Poof’s mutating tail.Nobel things and atheists bowed whene’er they cameScientists would lower their flasks when Poof mutated a mane

Oh Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-cAnd changed them just by randomness just to see what he could bePoof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-cAnd changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be

His head was bent in sorrow, his tears fell like rainRichard no longer went to write it gave him so much painWithout his life-long friend Dick could not be braveSo Dick that evo-poofer sadly slipped in to his cave

Oh Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-cAnd changed them just by randomness just to see what he could bePoof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-cAnd changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be

--------------"But it's disturbing to think someone actually thinks creationism -- having put it's hand on the hot stove every day for the last 400 years -- will get a different result tomorrow." -- midwifetoad

Speaking of orbital mechanics, I have to wonder, if a small object were orbiting a larger object, far enough away from other objects to avoid interference, would the orbit eventually degrade (one way or the other) due to tidal friction, even if both objects were solid?

Another question - given enough time, would Doppler shifts of the gravity waves between the two objects eventually shift the orbit, even if it takes billions (or trillions?) of years for that to be significant?

Speaking of orbital mechanics, I have to wonder, if a small object were orbiting a larger object, far enough away from other objects to avoid interference, would the orbit eventually degrade (one way or the other) due to tidal friction, even if both objects were solid?

Another question - given enough time, would Doppler shifts of the gravity waves between the two objects eventually shift the orbit, even if it takes billions (or trillions?) of years for that to be significant?

Henry

Sure. There is an energy transfer between the objects and that can't be 100% efficient.

--------------Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims.

Speaking of orbital mechanics, I have to wonder, if a small object were orbiting a larger object, far enough away from other objects to avoid interference, would the orbit eventually degrade (one way or the other) due to tidal friction, even if both objects were solid?

Depends on the details. The earth's moon is receding due to transfer of rotational energy.

--------------Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Speaking of orbital mechanics, I have to wonder, if a small object were orbiting a larger object, far enough away from other objects to avoid interference, would the orbit eventually degrade (one way or the other) due to tidal friction, even if both objects were solid?

Depends on the details. The earth's moon is receding due to transfer of rotational energy.

It's probably not receding fast enough to satisfy the aliens living within it's core. They are so not looking forward to the establishment of the Gingrich Moonbase. I'm sure Joe could testify to that in some manner.

Speaking of orbital mechanics, I have to wonder, if a small object were orbiting a larger object, far enough away from other objects to avoid interference, would the orbit eventually degrade (one way or the other) due to tidal friction, even if both objects were solid?

Another question - given enough time, would Doppler shifts of the gravity waves between the two objects eventually shift the orbit, even if it takes billions (or trillions?) of years for that to be significant?

Henry

I think the key word in both questions is "eventually". For any sort of realistic "planet in habitable zone around a star" scenario, I'd expect either process to take many times longer than the lifetime of the star. They don't help Joe, but you probably knew that.

--------------Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"... Â The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Speaking of orbital mechanics, I have to wonder, if a small object were orbiting a larger object, far enough away from other objects to avoid interference, would the orbit eventually degrade (one way or the other) due to tidal friction, even if both objects were solid?

Depends on the details. The earth's moon is receding due to transfer of rotational energy.

It's probably not receding fast enough to satisfy the aliens living within it's core. They are so not looking forward to the establishment of the Gingrich Moonbase. I'm sure Joe could testify to that in some manner.

Not at all, they're actually celebrating now that one of their own has won the GOP nomination, effectively squashing the moonbase plan, and setting in motion their counter-plan for world domination. I for one welcome our new Romneyian overlords!

Well, you have to admit he's right about one thing - he's never backed down from a fight. Given wrong addresses, refused to give addresses, wet his shorts and hid in his mama's closet...but never backed down from a fight.

Although if you look at that as "never backed down from a verbal fight", then he's like the black knight. No limbs and he still thinks he can win.

--------------"Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G

Anyway, you're all wrong. I'm sure we have a base up there already. After all, if Obama can teleport up to the Mars base to talk to the Martians, we have to have one on our own moon. I mean, who can forget Matthew Looney? I'm sure he's a decorated Real Merikan by now.

--------------"Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G