I'm already in at $40. It looks like $30 is developing to be the "sweet spot" at which the most people will order it and it will reach publication cost the fastest. So I'm remaining hopeful that the price will come down for me.

$30 is developing to be the "sweet spot" at which the most people will order it and it will reach publication cost the fastest.

The fastest? It is going slower than the proverbial snail. Give it another four years at the heady pace it's been on and it might make it.

The more people offer to pay the faster it will get to publication. If everyone at $30 will up their offer to $50, I'll bet the ticker will go up to about 70%. That might encourage others to pile on and the price could come down.

Remember Lange's? Logos finally gave it one last chance and it made it. Maybe the time has come to get drastic with Barnes. Give it two more months then that's it forever.

If everyone at $30 will up their offer to $50, I'll bet the ticker will go up to about 70%

Last month when I did the calculation it look like that if everyone who has already bid raised their bid to $60 then it would go into production right now without any extra bids. I note there's been a little bit of activity since then so I've just done the spreadsheet again and that price has dropped down to $55 - so if people are not wanting to wait for another 4 years then they need to up their bid to at least $55.

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$30 is developing to be the "sweet spot" at which the most people will order it and it will reach publication cost the fastest.

The fastest? It is going slower than the proverbial snail. Give it another four years at the heady pace it's been on and it might make it.

The more people offer to pay the faster it will get to publication. If everyone at $30 will up their offer to $50, I'll bet the ticker will go up to about 70%. That might encourage others to pile on and the price could come down.

Yes, I know. The more people offer to pay the faster it will get to publication, but more people will be willing to pay 30 for it than 50. And the point at with the chart has the peak is generally the point at which it will end up going to publication (if it makes it). That peak becomes more defined and settles on a particular price more clearly as more people sign on. Once we get past the halfway point, the peak usually doesn't move to the right any. If twice as many people are going to ultimately be willing to buy it at $30 as would buy it for $50, it would get to publication faster if we find all those people (including among the ones who bid less than 30 and encourage them to bump up their bids), than if we wait for enough people who are willing to pay $50 for it. I personally don't think it's worth $50 to me so I'm not going to up my bid.

Mark A. Smith:

Remember Lange's? Logos finally gave it one last chance and it made it. Maybe the time has come to get drastic with Barnes. Give it two more months then that's it forever.

Have they ever given up entirely on a CP product and dropped it from the list? What cost is it to them to keep it languoring there for years? Why would they have any incentive to drop it, apart from perhaps threatening to drop it to get people to sign up sooner?

Perhaps it is time to float an idea that I proposed several years ago on the old newsgroup. That that time there was some discussion about people's reluctance to participate in community pricing. Bob made the observation that many more people seemed to be willing to purchase PrePubs than place bids for Community Pricing. If I recall correctly, he even pointed out that they were surprised by the number of people that would place PrePub orders on former Community Pricing products. The range of responses to why people would place an order for the higher PrePub price rather than pay less under Community Pricing varied. One of the more common reasons sited was people objected to having to have their credit card number associated with their Logos account. Others were confused by the biding process or objected to bidding all together.

With this in mind I suggested a simultaneous posting of the book on both the Community Pricing and the PrePub page? If people are so dead set against placing bids for whatever reason that they are willing to pay more on the PrePub side, let them, but at least count their order towards the total that is needed to get the book into production.

Here is how it would work. The suggested bid for Barnes Notes was $90, so the price on the PrePub page would be $90, the Community Pricing Page would remain the same. Every PrePub order would be counted as a $90 bid on the Community Pricing page. When enough PrePub orders and Community Pricing bid are made to move Barnes into production EVERY person who place a PrePub order for Barnes would get an email inviting them to change their order to a Community Pricing bid, this would give everyone who does not object to Community Pricing on moral or financial ground an opportunity to get Barnes at the lower Community Pricing price. This seem only fair to me. At the end of that first week the Community Pricing price is locked in as it is now and the only orders that can be place for that time forward are PrePubs.

A side benefit of this is that it would education people to how Community Pricing works. I continue to be amazed at how difficult some people have in grasping how Community Pricing works. When those people who place PrePub orders get an email inviting them to change there order to a Community Pricing Bid, perhaps the light bulb would come on.

3) Don't really understand the "community bidding" process - bidding I understand a la eBay, but community pricing is still a bit fuzzy to me.

Community Pricing is a change to agree to invest in a resource's publication. You are announcing your willingness to finance, with others, the production of the book. The "bids" are the most you are willing to invest with the return being a copy of that book. So, let's say the cost to produce a book is $100 dollars (clearly it would take more than this). If 10 people bid $10 the production costs are covered. Let's say that 10 more people bid at $5, then you would have 20 people willing to pay at least $5 and 5 x 20 is 100 so the book goes into production and those 20 people pay $5 each. Those who bid $4 are left out because they have announce through their bid that they aren't willing to pay $1 more to invest in the product.

PeterLi:

4) Not sure why there's both CP and pre-pub - why things are not all CP or all pre-pub.

Community Pricing is only public domain resources. There are no licensing fees/royalties to be paid to the original publisher. If a publisher were to allow on of their books to be place on CP it would have to have the starting bid above their fee (typically 50% of list). This would be great, but the publisher would probably be concerned that this would undercut paper sales.

PeterLi:

5) The process takes too long (months or years) - other than meeting Jesus, I don't think there's anything else that I want that bad to wait for that long.

There's nothing urgent about getting public domain information. Getting it cheaply with Logos' tagging is worth the wait, in my book

I know that this string is a little old and no one is probably monitoring it, but I have been wanting Barnes' Notes for a long. Since they were first posted on CP I believe. My bid is at $90 because I want them so bad.

After the recent success shown by Rosie's post on Catena Aurea, would it be possible for someone to do a similar write up for Barnes. I would do it but, as evidenced by my posts in the forums, I am a terrible writer.

Just a thought, but I want this set badly and am willing to do almost anything to see it make it to production.

I also remember hearing a story about a book that people wanted really bad but Logos couldn't afford to produce, so people offered to buy two copies. I don't know if Logos worked that in the pricing but the book did eventually make it into production because of a small number of dedicated people hounding them. Is there a way to something similar without alienating the staff?

Catena Aurea has 2,784 pages and is selling for $16 right now, with a shot at $14 by Friday when the CP project goes to prepub and locks in your bid.

Barnes' Notes Has over 10,000 pages! By comparison bidding $80 would give you roughly the same price per page.

It's time to empty the Community Pricing page completely. Let's push Barnes over the top, I believe if everyone would increase their bid to $80 we'll see it go for much - much less.

I value Catena Aurea more -- not because of its page count but because of the pedigree of its authors.

Tell me who this Barnes guy was and why I should be so willing to fork over more money for what he wrote than for what the Church Fathers wrote? I've already bid $40 and am not inclined to raise my bid. I was dragged into bidding in the first place kicking and screaming, since I don't generally tend to buy works from the 1800s unless they are REALLY famous. They are mostly outdated. I've still never heard of Barnes. So who was he and why is he still relevant? You all who want it need to do some legwork like I did for Catena Aurea if you want people to bid on it.

For those who are on Facebook, you might want to consider promoting some of these fabulous discounts there. I have created a short link to Barnes Notes: http://bit.ly/Barnes_Notes Feel free to post it with a comment to Facebook or to other social networking sites.

Hi logos Guys and Gals if you are reading this Barns Notes needs some advertising behind it to get this worthwhile resource going, please put an advert in facebook, on the community pages and email adverts.

And all logos forum users place a bid asap, if everyone places a bid we could get it down to 1$ ?