Or you can do the really sneaky thing. Walk to the end of the catwalk and inch your way out on the narrow ledge until you're above where the technician left his toolbox. Next time he wanders over that way drop-kill him. Then use the computer and immediately run over and pick up his assault rifle. Shoot out the lights and go hide in the little nook to the left of the door. Wait for the guards to come in then sneak up behind them one by one, avoiding their flashlight beams and break their necks.

Much more satisfying for a sneaky you-know-what like me

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I tried to get out on that narrow ledge but it didn't work at one end. I'll try the other. I saw those boxes but the jump looked like it would kill me. I'm not sure how acrobatic this guy is. I haven't gotten any playing time in today, but now that my problems are solved, I'll get moving.

You have to get on the ledge from the far end of the catwalk, Jump over the railing and land on it. It isn't as hard as it sounds.

Just for future reference you can jump from the catwalk right down to the floor without taking too much damage. There's a limit on how much damage you can take from falling. It was one of the things discussed in the commentary.

Thanks Popcorneater!

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Made it all the way back to the cell block from the main frame. Ran into a nasty robot who didn't seem to be fazed by any of my weapons, so I ran around till I found way out. Now I'm facing a bunch of turrets.

Pokey, Visionism's stealth or sneak approach is fun ... I went the catwalk route. Ran and jumped over the railing onto the crates, hopped to the floor, took the guard down ... little or no damage. Used the DNA and grabbed the gun. Got my back to the wall, next to the crates, and got ready. Two guards came thru the door ... down they went. I took very little damage, had all five blocks full. Went thru the door took care of a few more by using forward and back, closing and opening the door. I think there was an explosive barrel in there that really finished them off. The rest of the way it was stealth and scalpel.

This lead me to the room with the four guards and the Riot Guard, which is the robot your referring to.

After you kill the last guard in this room the Riot Guard comes down in the elevator. You need to climb a box, then one more up. He will usually start for the crate once he sees you. Drop back down on the lower crate, give him a second or two, climb back up to the next crate, and he will usually be standing pressed against the crate under you. Just shoot straight down at him. One or two shots should do it. He can shoot, but he can't aim high enough to hit you. Check out the crates near the door you entered the room from.

You'll run into these guards quite a lot. The only way you can kill them is by shooting them in the back. Until later on, the best approach is to avoid them by using stealth, or lure them into a situation that something else will kill them, like something big falling on them, or run like _ell. I used stealth.

Use your Quick Save to experiment with different approaches ... that's fun too.

Hi guys, well thanks a million for all your help and good tips, but as visionism states, my system is just not strong enough, although I have an IBM 8311, pentium 4 2.6Mhz, 384 Ram, 80g hd and my infamous invidia gef4mx.So the game was returned this am, I picked up, World War 2 Sniper and Alpha Black Zero.Again thanks

Pokey, I think you have to use the elevator he came down in to get up to the next level. You can't kill him by shooting him in the back once or twice from the same level as he is. He would just turn around and annihilate you. It would take numerous shots to do it, and you don't have that artillery right now. The crates should work. Just exactly what checkpoint are you at? Maybe I have you dealing with the wrong area, and wrong Riot Guard.

I had already gotten past the first riot guard and took the elevator up. I have just gotten back to the cell block and found a riot. I got the gate open and fell down in the pit. How do I get out of here? I found a broken gate mechanism and went down a ramp.

Ugh The Pit is the most irritating level in the game. On the lower level you'll find a valve on the floor propped against one of the walls in front of a closed grate. Grab it and head up to the top level, hit use on that broken mechanism and the gate will open allowing you to continue to the next bit. having been a real stealth hound up to that point or using sensible cover and fire moves it came as a bit of a shock to find a level that you have to "Quake" your way through. No cover, no head shots, just run and gun. Luckily those parts are very few and far between.

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