Please use this thread to discuss the origins, ideologies, fundings, directions and all other updates and information relating the the evolving situation in Western Asia (aka Middle East) with respect primarily to the the rapid growth of the organization called Islamic State.@nrupatunga@pmaitra@Virendra et al

Islamic State jihadists in Syria have made a video threatening to bring the Russian republic of Chechnya into their self-proclaimed caliphate, after capturing Russian-made planes in Syria. The viral video drew an angry response from the Chechen leader.

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â€œThis message is addressed to you, oh Vladimir Putin. These are your aircraft which you sent to Bashar, and with the help of Allah we will send them back to you,â€ says a militant in Arabic, though accented Russian voices can be heard off-camera.

â€œRemember this. And with the permission of Allah we will liberate Chechnya and all the Caucasus. The Islamic State exists and it will exist and it will expand with the help of Allah. Your throne is already shaking. It is in danger and it will collapse when we get to you. We are on the way with Allah's permission,â€ says a second Islamic State fighter.

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Ramzan Kadyrov, the flamboyant President of the Chechen Republic, which is a highly-autonomous part of Russia, reacted angrily to the video.
â€œThose bastards have nothing to do with Islam. They are enemies of Muslims everywhere,â€ he wrote on his Facebook page.

â€œWhoever dares to threaten Russia and say out loud the name of our President Vladimir Putin will be destroyed right where he isâ€¦ These people will end their days under the hot sun of Syria and Iraq and moments after death they will be greeted by the flames of eternal hell.â€

Kadyrov also intimated that IS â€œtook orders from their handlers in Western security services.â€

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Chechen fighters and field commanders have featured prominently in the uprising against Bashar Assad, almost from its start over three years ago. While a number of them may have departed directly from the Russian republic, others are likely veterans or relatives of exiles from the two separatist Chechen wars that took place in the 1990s.

The Islamic State is a Sunni jihadist group that formed during the sectarian conflict in Iraq following the toppling of Saddam Hussein by the United States and its allies in 2003. In June, it proclaimed itself a caliphate, which currently stretches from northern Syria to central Iraq.

Very good video.
A lot of us had doubts, that ISIS was yet another US tool (among the other terrorist creations of amerik) to be used for dismantling the only relatively secular and moderate Middle Eastern Muslim nation, Syria and further for taking on Iran.
Most of us know this stuff, but for the blind ones.

Guys, it is also interesting to note that Ibrahim ibn Awwad ibn Ibrahim ibn Ali ibn Muhammad al-Badri al-Samarrai aka Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who is the Caliph (theological and ideological leader) of the IS (Islamic State) aka ISIS, was in the custody of the US forces at least up till 2004 (according to US DoD) and possibly even up to 2009 according to Army Col. Kenneth King, the former commander of Camp Bucca (where al-Baghdadi was held).

"I'm not surprised that it was someone who spent time in Bucca but I'm a little surprised it was him," King said. "He was a bad dude, but he wasn't the worst of the worst."

In this storyline, Baghdadi was handed over to Iraqi justice system late in 2009 shortly before Camp Bucca closed.

ABC News questioned Kingâ€™s recollection, citing a "a U.S. official" that Baghdadi was not in American custody in 2009.

"I could be mistaken," King told ABC News, "but Iâ€™m 99 percent. Heâ€™s a dead ringer for the guy I had the run-in with â€¦ His face is very familiar."

Very good video.
A lot of us had doubts, that ISIS was yet another US tool (among the other terrorist creations of amerik) to be used for dismantling the only relatively secular and moderate Middle Eastern Muslim nation, Syria and further for taking on Iran.
Most of us know this stuff, but for the blind ones.

Syrian rebels who would later join the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.

The officials said dozens of future ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq.

The Jordanian officials said all ISIS members who received U.S. training to fight in Syria were first vetted for any links to extremist groups like al-Qaida. (lol)

That report has since been corroborated by numerous other media accounts.

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Quoting what it said were training participants and organizers, Der Spiegel reported it was not clear whether the Americans worked for private firms or were with the U.S. Army, but the magazine said some organizers wore uniforms. The training in Jordan reportedly focused on use of anti-tank weaponry.

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WND reported last week that, according to Jordanian and Syrian regime sources, Saudi Arabia has been arming the ISIS and that the Saudis are a driving force in supporting the al-Qaida-linked group.

WND further reported that, according to a Shiite source in contact with a high official in the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, the Obama administration has been aware for two months that the al-Qaida-inspired group that has taken over two Iraqi cities and now is threatening Baghdad also was training fighters in Turkey.

The source told WND that at least one of the training camps of the group Iraq of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Syria, the ISIS, is in the vicinity of Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where American personnel and equipment are located.

He called Obama â€œan accompliceâ€ in the attacks that are threatening the Maliki government the U.S. helped establish through the Iraq war.

Article from June.
So the puppets like the Saudi dogs and Turkey have been helping the ISIS and also the US knew of the movements of the ISIS (this is not surprising as as the CIA has a heavy Human & Signals intelligence presence and penetration in the ME.) One wonders why the US did not lift a finger. Hint: Syria and Iran.

It is about time Kurdistan got their own homeland. The current borders were drawn up by the colonialists that do not reflect the ethnic distribution on the ground. This is an opportunity for Russia to aid Iran, and Syria, who can take the ISIS on from both sides. I hope Turkey can be brought to its sense, and persuaded to avoid arming these, correction, this organization, with various names, such as, but not limited to, ISIS, ISIL, FSA, al-Qaida, and all other names we have never heard of. They are, folks, all the same.

It is about time Kurdistan got their own homeland. The current borders were drawn up by the colonialists that do not reflect the ethnic distribution on the ground. This is an opportunity for Russia to aid Iran, and Syria, who can take them on from both sides. I hope Turkey can be brought to its sense, and persuaded to avoid arming these, correction, this organization, with various names, such as, but not limited to, ISIS, ISIL, FSA, al-Qaida, and all other names we have never heard of. They are, folks, all the same.

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Iraq is an artificial country anyway. Sunnis, Shias, Kurds and more, fit into some random borders drawn up the colonial powers.
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Now, I don't know about Turkey. Some estimates say that possibly 20-25% of population of Turkey is ethnic Kurd and Kurdish homeland occupies a large part of Turkey as can be seen below.

In fact most of the Kurdish homeland is in Turkey. And Turkiye has not historically been friendly with ethnic kurds (and others like Armenians, see Armenian genocide.) So Turkey will probably be uncomfortable with the idea of an independent Kurdistan. And predictably Turkey is training and arming ISIS terrorists and smuggling them into Iraq and Syria through their border with Turkey.
If an independent Kurdistan comes to existence it will probably be aligned with Iran. They have cultural connections and more importantly Kurdistan is going to be landlocked and will need some assistance in that aspect and Turkey is not going to be very friendly and Syria's very existence is sadly under threat.

So, it's a big Q whether neighbouring Turkey, Iran and probably Syria would allow an independent Kurdistan to come into being. Will it backfire themselves if Kurds seek to integrate across borders as they always aspire.

So, it's a big Q whether neighbouring Turkey, Iran and probably Syria would allow an independent Kurdistan to come into being. Will it backfire themselves if Kurds seek to integrate across borders as they always aspire.

@SajeevJino Why is west going after isis only in iraq and not in syria??Even in iraq, west is mainly helping kurds(their own allies) and why not iraqi regime?? Also west acted only after kurds were threatened directly at erbil?? Why not just after mosul fell??

A google search of "john mccain and al baghdadi" will show lot of pictures wherein mccain meeting lot of syrian rebels which included baghdadi as well, like these.

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Well, McCain has no problem meeting the Nazis fascist scum in Ukraine like the leaders of Svoboda and Pravy Sektor. So it shouldn't surprise anyone if McCain gang went to have a little chat with al-Baghdadi.
Besides if you read my previous posts on this thread: al-Baghdadi, the Caliph/leader of ISIS, must have come in contact with US officials anyway, when he was in US custody till 2004/2009.