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I think its perfect for Williams now, but wasn't he a DE/DT tweener coming out of college and more of a pure UT when he first came out?

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Right now the comparison I'm getting for Suh is Brodrick Bunkley, both are around the same size, incredibly strong upper-bodies, sack guys in college and both lack the lower body girth and strength to consistently hold up against the big offensive guards of the NFL. Bunkley is a great NT for the Eagles but I wouldn't be willing to spend a #1 pick on him any time soon or a top 10 pick and I think that Suh is going to end up being eerily similar to Bunkley and we're going to see that at the combine when Suh puts up numbers that are nearly exactly the same as Bunk did.

Bunkley's not a bad one either...I still think Suh is pretty much a Darnell Dockett clone.

The only reason he's not a Kevin Williams or Richard Seymour (or Henderson, or Haynesworth) is that he's not 6'6...which those guys all are.

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Dockett is perfect for Suh. Long, rangey, great disruptive athlete. Well done.

Thank you sir...both can play the nose because of their ridiculous upper body power and the leverage they get... they're athletic enough to play UT or DE (in a 3-4) if that's what they're asked to do...same height...same weight...same body type...similar skillsets...

Suh's going to be such a good player...Dockett's pretty much Seymour without the 6'6 315+ body anyway.

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I think Suh is stronger than Dockett and Seymour to be honest. I dunno what his reps will be, but he's massively strong functionally.

People often forget how much of a beast Seymour was. He never put up huge numbers since he played end in a 3-4, but he was dominant for a long time. He still had a pretty good year in Oakland this past season, but if he played in a 4-3 his whole career he would have earned a lot more recognition as an elite player. He is probably the best 3-4 end we've seen and is what everyone looks for at the position; he is huge, strong, and very athletic. He was a froce against the run but could also rush the passer.

I really like the Suh to Seymour comparison, Suh is just 2 inches shorter. If Suh plays in a 3-4 he could be a Seymour type end but if he is drafted into a 4-3 then he could be the type of franchise type force big Rich could have been in that defense.

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People often forget how much of a beast Seymour was. He never put up huge numbers since he played end in a 3-4, but he was dominant for a long time. He still had a pretty good year in Oakland this past season, but if he played in a 4-3 his whole career he would have earned a lot more recognition as an elite player. He is probably the best 3-4 end we've seen and is what everyone looks for at the position; he is huge, strong, and very athletic. He was a froce against the run but could also rush the passer.

I really like the Suh to Seymour comparison, Suh is just 2 inches shorter. If Suh plays in a 3-4 he could be a Seymour type end but if he is drafted into a 4-3 then he could be the type of franchise type force big Rich could have been in that defense.

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People often forget how much of a beast Seymour was. He never put up huge numbers since he played end in a 3-4, but he was dominant for a long time. He still had a pretty good year in Oakland this past season, but if he played in a 4-3 his whole career he would have earned a lot more recognition as an elite player. He is probably the best 3-4 end we've seen and is what everyone looks for at the position; he is huge, strong, and very athletic. He was a froce against the run but could also rush the passer.

I really like the Suh to Seymour comparison, Suh is just 2 inches shorter. If Suh plays in a 3-4 he could be a Seymour type end but if he is drafted into a 4-3 then he could be the type of franchise type force big Rich could have been in that defense.

people tend to forget he played DT for the first 2-3 years in NE and was a 3-4 DE for about 4-5 years.

Originally posted by njx9

i mean, why wouldn't the broncos take cam newton? they can play him at quarterback WITH tebow!

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Dunno if he will ever be as good as Seymour, I just know he's stronger.

I'll agree with that...he's as strong as Dockett, and that's an compliment and a half...watch Darnell Dockett player and you'll see a guy who's as functionally strong as any DT in the league. Lines up everywhere for the Cards...Aren't there any Cardinal fans here to talk about this guy? He's a beast. There's a decent argument that he's the 2nd best 3-4 DL in the league right now behind Ngata...well now that Haynesworth's going onto a 3 man line...but yea there's an argument.

Seymour's a HOFer and probably the best 3-4 DE of his generation. He can best be described as the prototype for his position (along with a select few guys). I don't want to just throw a comparison to him out and I disappoint myself by throwing it out for Oghobaase a year or so ago.

I guess Suh can be considered in that class of DT prospect...but the way I look at it is that if someone was in this draft who played exactly like Suh but was 2 inches taller and about 15-20 pounds heavier then he'd clearly be the better prospect. That would be a DT in the class of Seymour (who should be considered a DT as well as a3-4 DE because I doubt a 4-3 team would have said no to him when he was younger).

Before I'm accused of it, I'm not diminishing Suh as a prospect. He's the top player in this draft, and the best DT prospect since Ngata.