CLAUDIA MULLEN:
With me, yeah. They brought him to New Orleans, to Tulane to give me
shock treatments to figure out exactly how much they needed and how
many times they needed to give it to me to make me forget until the
next time. He gave me different amounts of shock at different times.
I think I was there for several days, maybe three or four days the
first time I met him. I guess I wasn't even a teenager yet, I was
just ten or eleven years old. He also did something else. He would
make messages on tape and at night when you slept you had to listen
to these messages and I guess they used them for his voice or something
because he had a really interesting voice, it made you want to listen.
He would repeat things over and over again.
WAYNE MORRIS:
It would be his voice on the tapes that were used?
CLAUDIA MULLEN.
Yeah. They would have other people on tape too, but I remember during
this time when they were doing the electricity, they would give me what
they called the "sleep talk tape" to make you very sleepy. Put you in
a dark room, put these earphones on you, then you would have something
attached to your toes and to maybe one finger ... like clothespins they
felt like ... so you would go to sleep listening to this tape that was
going on and his messages ... and if you fell asleep something would
wake you up ... these things that were attached to your toes and your
hands ... and I guess it was these little jolts of electricity to wake
you up. It would keep you from sleeping at all. You couldn't sleep
the whole night. You had to listen constantly.
WAYNE MORRIS:
How long would this go on for?
CLAUDIA MULLEN:
Three or four days, three or four nights.
WAYNE MORRIS:
Continuous? You were not allowed to sleep during those three or four days?
CLAUDIA MULLEN:
Nope.
WAYNE MORRIS:
Do you have memories of what the messages were that were being used?
CLAUDIA MULLEN:
They would always start with, "Crystal, your mother abandoned you. She
didn't want you." That I was bad, that I was doing these perverted things,
that type of thing.
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You have been listening to Claudia Mullen, a survivor of government
mind control. She has given testimony at the U.S. Presidential Hearings
on Human Radiation Experiments in March, 1995. Her accounts include
being experimented on, starting when she was eight years old at Tulane
University in New Orleans, and subsequently being used as a mind control
slave to sexually entrap prominent politicians and officials to blackmail
them such as Senator Frank Church who headed the Church Committee Hearings
into CIA wrongdoings as we have heard in today's interview. We have also
heard her accounts of how Dr. Ewen Cameron was responsible for electro-
shocking her so she would forget the weekends of experimentation and
the sexual blackmail situations. Stay tuned next week for Part 3 of
this interview. Also tune in to Monday nights at 10 pm for rebroadcasts
of previous shows on mind control on the International Connection 88.1.
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