re: Kids are mis-diagnosed with asthma, actually have genital warts in their throats

people were using sterilization to control parts of the population that they thought were unacceptable. The problem is, there were no standards, it was just a group of men who thought they knew what was best for everyone. They were not always right

quote:To me it's the same as IQ in schools. People realized that they are part of the problem and then fought to have that form of grading removed

Grades are not based on IQ.

quote:When Politicians and administrators tested out low, obviously the test was flawed and not an accurate measure.

IQ does not measure actual learning or knowledge. And it can be a flawed metric

quote:Everybody wants the law catered to them, and all their flaws

Laws have to be equitable for everyone. However, not everyone is equal and the law still has to allow for that. That's why we have a judicial system and a legal process

re: Kids are mis-diagnosed with asthma, actually have genital warts in their throats(Posted by Jahel on 12/4/12 at 7:17 pm to NoHoTiger)

quote:NoHoTiger

honestly, I'm not a bad guy

It seems that people equated religion to oppression and now that we have elevated ourselves above that mumbo-jumbo, we should live lives of "Sin" because there isn't punishment from it.

People just don't seem to be aware that those laws were created out of social necessity. And now that we see people living these lives of "sin", we start to see the manifestations of why "religious figures"(wise men), made those laws/social dogma.

What we have here now is a bunch of people running stop signs, "because there is no cop watching". The "don't run stop sign law" wasn't about so that you don't get punished, it was so that you don't hurt yourself or someone else.......

and there's people like you NoHo, you roll through the stop sign while looking both ways, and say "see no one got hurt"

re: Kids are mis-diagnosed with asthma, actually have genital warts in their throats(Posted by Jahel on 12/4/12 at 7:29 pm to NoHoTiger)

quote:But "sin" only has meaning in religion. And you can't run a diverse secular society based on religious law or dogma

then why across multiple unrelated religions do we hold very similar principles? WISDOM of those who made "the rules"...not any specific religion

quote:Men made those laws to control society not to make it better.

take the estrogen down a bit Kunta Kinte. Man just didn't want problems. When people ate pork, they died, Man said don't eat pork.....he didn't say "oppress the pig!!! They don't put out like the sheep do!!! "

re: Kids are mis-diagnosed with asthma, actually have genital warts in their throats(Posted by NoHoTiger on 12/4/12 at 7:41 pm to Jahel)

quote:then why across multiple unrelated religions do we hold very similar principles? WISDOM of those who made "the rules"...not any specific religion

But you are talking specifically about "sin" which has no meaning outside religion. Religions say that premarital sex is a sin. Why is it a sin? Why is it wrong? It's a way to control people and sexual behavior.

quote:Man just didn't want problems

Then a better solution is to educate not just tell people it's wrong and don't do it.

quote:When people ate pork, they died, Man said don't eat pork

and man was wrong. It had nothing to do with the pig, but the fact that men didn't properly clean, cure, or cook the meat before eating.

quote:like looters, no cops, loot?

It doesn't make it right. But based on what I said previously, it holds true. The looters are looking to improve their lot not protect someone else from harm. There are those for whom the threat of punishment is enough, there are those for whom it isn't.

re: Kids are mis-diagnosed with asthma, actually have genital warts in their throats(Posted by NoHoTiger on 12/4/12 at 8:01 pm to Jahel)

quote:Unwise people can't see the harm til it's too late.

then that's their problem. Not everyone needs a "wiser" individual to tell them how to think

quote: It not about control, it's about the best chance of success/happiness

no, it's about control presented as the best chance of happiness/success

quote:there's only so much you can teach some people without interjecting a big booming voice from the sky

Only if someone is religious. For those who are not, you need to come up with an alternate plan. Education is best. If someone has the capability and makes poor choices, then that's on them. Big Brother doesn't need to protect everyone and tell them what to think