Who is Jay Cicinelli?

The anonymous caller to yesterday’s KFI’s John and Ken program identified an Fullerton police officer with one eye as physically participating in the July 5th beating death of Kelly Thomas.

As hard as it is to believe, Fullerton does indeed employ a cop with one eye, and has been identified by our commenters as Jay Cicinelli. Cicincelli was a rookie cop in LA when he was shot multiple times in 1996 as described in this 1998 LA Times article.

Apparently in the aftermath of this incident Cicinelli was deemed incapable of meeting physical standards, was placed on permanent disability and separated from duty with the LAPD. Here’s where the story gets interesting, Fullerton-wise. Cicinelli’s career as a law enforcement officer was far from over.

A more recent image shared by a reader; Cincinelli is purportedly the officer on the right.

It seems that a high ranking LAPD cop, Michael Hillman took special interest in Cicinelli and eventually he used an old LAPD acquaintance to land Cicinelli a job in Fullerton. That acquaintance? Yep, Chief Pat McKinley, as detailed in this glowing 2009 tribute to Hillman on the OC Sheriff’s website, after Hillman had followed Sandra Hutchens to the OCSD. Here’s the operative sentence by Cicinelli:

“I think he had a lot to do with getting me this job, I know he was good friends with (Fullerton Police) Chief Pat McKinley. How many departments are going to hire an officer with one eye?

The implications of employing and deploying a one-eyed cop on the streets of Fullerton are rather worrisome; the possibility that Cicinelli may have undergone severe trauma that has never been adequately addressed is even worse. Of course this latter issue is speculation; but McKinley’s role in bringing this cop to Fullerton calls into question issues of cronyism, poor judgment, and ultimately, perhaps, responsibility for what happened to Kelly Thomas.

This entire tragedy gets stranger by the day. I suspect that in the days ans weeks to come what unfolds will be akin to unbelievable fiction, yet reality. In the end justice needs to be had for Kelly Thomas, and any and all prior victims to the goons who have dished out their brand of justice to those who have been unable to protect themselves from these modern day Gestapo types.

Officer Cicinelli and his partner, Officer Addis Simpson, initiated a vehicular stop of three male suspects in the area of
Western and Florence Avenues. Cicinelli approached the passenger side of the vehicle, as he had practiced and executed many countless times before. This time, however, Cicinelli was met by gunfire, striking him once in the face. The officer fell to the pavement seriously wounded, as the gunman shot him several more times in the upper torso. Officer Simpson returned fire, wounding one of the suspects, and
protecting himself and his partner from further injury. The suspect vehicle fled, leaving Officer Cicinelli bleeding on the sidewalk. Despite his critical injuries, Cicinelli provided key information that aided in the identification and the apprehension of the men who attempted to murder him.

Among the five gunshot wounds that Cicinelli sustained, the most serious resulted in the loss of his left eye. The permanently wounded officer displayed exceptional courage when he was shot while serving the residents of Los Angeles.

But perhaps his most courageous moment was when he fought for the opportunity to continue to serve as a field certified Police Officer, despite his medical limitations. It was ultimately determined that because of his injuries, Cicinelli no longer met the minimum standards of a peace officer as set forth by California Peace Officers Standards and Training (POST). One of the key principles cited by POST was that
peripheral vision is one of the most important visual abilities for safe patrol officer performance.

Although it pained the Department to conclude that Cicinelli could no longer serve as a patrol officer, it was an obvious and necessary decision to ensure the safety of all Los Angeles Police Officers and residents alike. In addition, Rule 5.26 of the Rules of the Board of Civil Service Commissioners does not permit a Police Officer to complete probation when in a restricted duty capacity.

Pat McKinley should be recalled from the City Council. How does a person with one eye have the depth perception required to meet Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST) requirements? The answer is he does not.

Andrew Goodrich, the police department spokesman and union official, should be placed on leave. An investigation needs to occur to find out why he gave false statements to the media. Was he covering up for a union member?

Andrew Goodrich, the police department spokesman and union official, should be placed on leave. An investigation needs to occur to find out why he gave false statements to the media. Was he covering up for a union member?

How many “Recall McKinley” signs do you think we will see at Council tonight? And has Fullerton beefed up its server so we can watch online? Tonight’s City Council meeting will be THE most-watched local meeting in history.

Putting that guy on the streets of Fullerton created a danger to him but more importantly, the public.

Lack of peripheral vision, especially at night is a driving hazard and a real danger of poor reaction time. This doesn’t even need to be investigated. McKinley screwed up big time and put the public at risk to do an old friend a favor.

look at how overweight he is- Im sure he couldnt run after and subdue a three legged dog without have to stop after a second blowing and huffing. That coupled with his obvious brain damage from the prior injury=trouble brewing

PS-from all the pictures Ive seen of people in the FPD, they all look overwt, puffy and out of shape. butterbeans. Geeze no wonder they have to taze and beat, they have no energy and cant run

It kind of explains why they were so quick to reach a paltry settlement with Mr. Thomas. This goes beyond a beating, its very possible that they knowingly gave a mentally handicap man a badge and gun then let him out on the streets.

If its true that he continued to beat Kelly Thomas after he was unconscious and didn’t stop even after blood was flying out of his head demonstrates a lack of impulse control in my opinion.

Even the police union is keeping quiet. This doesnt look good for the fullerton police dept.

…Just look at the photo of Jay Cincinelli …look at him. Im sorry but he does not look like anyone who is fit enough to be allowed anywhere near a weapon, let alone make critical life or death decisions.

This wasnt just an eye injury. Look at his stance and posture, the shooting obviously caused brain damage in my opinion.

I wonder why they went through so much trouble to hire him, it wasnt like he was a senior officer with specialized skills. He was a rookie LAPD officer with only three weeks experience.

Michael Hillmann and Patrick McKinley screwed up big time by letting him on the force. Current chief Michael Sellers screwed up by not only letting him continue to be active after the shooting but reassigned him to work undercover detail after the public uproar and as the article pointed out, the union screwed up by turning a blind eye to someone who obviously isn’t physically and maybe even mentally fit to be an officer.

I want to know how many complaints were received about him (from other officers or the public), if he was allowed to drive a patrol car, if he needed any assistance performing his duties and if he was involved in any shootings or traffic accidents.

The accused officer surely had a bad experience. Probably the anger accumulated over his own experience lead to this kind of brutality.
Either way not an excuse and should be treated for whatever the Psychopathic drama and be jailed for wrong doing or murder.

I just want to state for the record that the alleged purported photo of Cicinelli with Hillman is in fact NOT CICINELLI!
Chuck M. and Merijoe, You are making untrue statements of a perfectly capable man. He is not obese. Nor does he have brain damage.
You are judging a photo, put a picture of yourself up Merijoe and let me see what I can come up with.
The truth will PREVAIL in the Kelly Thomas case.
Your comments are unfounded and unecessary.
All Officer Cicinelli did was get a recommendation from a high ranking Officer because he is a capable man qualified to be a public servant. He got HIMSELF hired @ FPD. A young man trying to support his family just like MOST of us.

Well if the photos above are not Jay Cincinelli, as the orange county register and la times claims, would you provide some evidence. Perhaps a photo of you and your husband. You can blur you image out as you were not the one who beat someone so bad others officers couldn’t handcuff him because of the amount of blood.

I can’t believe a father who would let his son sleep on the street and accept food and money from complete strangers is now going to get paid close to a Million Dollars. I talked to Kelly while waiting for the bus a bunch of times. He sat in the middle of the terminal facing the slide bar. He never once even mentioned his father. Nor did I ever hear his dad was a big time big money in pension former Oc sheriff. what a joke.

But this does not take away from the crime. Put these cops in Prison and fire the chief the mayor half the city council and the fucking OC DA too.

What a shame this whole thing is. Kelly didn’t deserve this. Now his family getting a pay out. LMAO. Did even his bro or sis drive out and feed him on the street. LOL NOPE. Now they get paid for a guy they could have gave a shit about. Pure bullshit.

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On the night of December 16, 1996, Captain Hillmann pulled up to a terrible scene. Two of his officers had been in a shootout with suspected gang members.

Officer Jay Cincinelli, just two weeks out of the Police Academy, was shot six times.

One bullet took his left eye. His partner returned fire and protected him from further assault. Officer Cincinelli was able to give a description of the assailant. Captain Hillmann rolled up to the scene while Officer Cincinelli was still on the ground bleeding from his wounds.

“I was dying. I was in ICU for eight days and when I got out of ICU, I insisted on going home,” Cincinelli recalled. When he went home, gradually fewer of his colleagues came to the house. One of the only ones who kept coming to see him was Captain Hillmann. “He came to visit more than anyone,” Cincinelli said.

Right after the shooting he was promised by LAPD brass that they would take care of him, that he could stay on the force. Those promises evaporated with time; there was no place for a one-eyed police officer. “I was still on probation so they were just going to drop me,” Cincinelli said.

The one ranking officer who had no intention of dropping him was Captain Hillmann, his Patrol Captain. Of all the wounds, the worst one was the one that took out his left eye.“I was promised by the world, by every level of command in the Department, that if I worked my rehab I’d always have a job.

They said that at a press conference,” Jay Cincinelli recalled. “Then everybody backed off, except Captain Hillmann,” Jay Cincinelli said. “He took me under his wing; he put his career on the line to help me. “Even before the controversy, when I was at home doing rehab, Captain Hillman would take his own time to come and visit me and give me encouragement.

“It was a long battle and he helped me keep my job. He gave me a second chance to save my career at the risk of his own. He stood up for me when everybody else took cover. He said if they make a promise, they should stick to it.

“I was still on probation when I was shot and they were going to terminate me.

“He took my side and stood toe-to-toe with higher ranks, all the way to Chief (Bernard) Parks. I don’t think that helped his career.

“I think he had a lot to do with getting me this job, I know he was good friends with (Fullerton Police) Chief Pat McKinley. How many departments are going to hire an officer with one eye?

“Everybody knows what he did. It was a two and a half year battle.

“When he stood up to Chief Parks, I think it hurt his career. Chief Parks wanted everyone to do what he wanted. But Captain Hillman stayed at my side after the others all backed down. He was the only one who helped me fight the battle.

“He believes in command from the bottom up. He cares about the lowest ranks. Some say he’s the greatest. I say, ‘He’s a cop’s cop’.” Cincinelli went on to serve in Fullerton as a K-9 officer and on a surveillance team.

He is now a corporal working patrol and studying for the Sergeant’s exam.
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I am tried of reading the post(s) from posters, stating that there are “Cop haters here and wait for the evidence” being that they don’t agree with some of the comments being made, they tend to go right to “you’re a cop hater”. The truth is, I have much respect for any man or women that places their life on the line. However, I have a problem with abusing their authority, there are good apples and bad apples in almost any business, and career paths. And sadly, this is a terrible eye opener for the Fullerton police department that clearly needs revamping in more ways then one! My concern here, is why on earth did the Police Chief not do anything for so long, when he was aware of what happened, that’s one of the questions that I have that concerns me, clearly this isn’t just a officers, being forceful with someone, as the FBI wouldn’t waste their time. Common sense tells me after looking and listening to all videos, and articles, and photos, the Fullerton police department is in big big trouble! Also, the main Police officer (out of the 6- the one eyed officer originally from LAPD) that used the most excessive force on this homeless man, from my understanding has had problems in the past! So I don’t understand why this officer would still be walking the streets (working) days after i.e the gang unit? Also from my understanding this same officers was bragging about the beating within the locker room the evening of the beating, where many of his colleagues were troubled and mortified with his diarrhea mouth! Time to Clean house within the department, as well as the Chief of Police of Fullerton should be fired! I also think a new law needs to be made, that if someone should become “guilty” of a crime, and do prison time, they should be stripped of their pension, that we ultimately pay for!

Everyone come out the the Fullerton City Council Meeting tonight at 6:30. City hall is right next to the police station. The more residents from Fullerton who attend the better. Sometimes there is power in numbers as we all saw from the 6 officers. Invite family and friends

Someone needs to fill out the recall forms, get the 20 signatures, and serve McKinley that night. Get the ball rolling ASAP so that signature gathering occurs while the incident is fresh and the facts have just come out. Looks like McKinley is the one most to blame here, with the mayor’s silence also disturbing.

Cicinelli got a tax-free lifetime pension of 70 % of his pay, plus he is double dipping from Fullerton PD and I’m sure, another 90 % pension.

Stop excusing this pig; if he is found to be the suspect, he is a murderous psychotic and deserves all the punishment the law allows, as do the other cops and their supervisors who allowed this to occur and who swept it under the rug.

My understanding is that the District Attorney, Tony Rackauckas, has NOT once prosecuted any law enforcement officer in this county, during his tenure! And this means, NOT formerly charging any police or sheriff’s deputy for any abuse of power. Does one think he will in this case?! Unless the outcry of the public forces him to do so! The real problem lies with a corrupt DA!

Let the general public relive the brutal murder of one teenage female, Ashley McDonald, by the Huntington Beach police. {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDLcMSmB6Fc} She had a knife and because she was distraught, and did not drop it, when told to by the officers, had 17 bullets fired into her. The DA found that the cops were not at fault! And the DA ALWAYS rules in the favor of murdering law enforcement officers!! The general public should also center their outrage, in the form of protests, towards the district attorney! Who is Mr. Rackauckas accountable to??

Dan, I agree with you. Unless you know what its like for the families of mentally ill people then don’t judge. I have a schizophrenic brother with an affective disorder and manic depression.

John, So I know all about mental illness and what its like I suggest you keep your baseless opinions to yourself. To say the families don’t care is wrong. You have no clue the countless hours and dollars that families put into trying to save their son/daughter or brother/sister or friend. People with mental illnesses are difficult to keep in one place…..its difficult to make them take their medince and quite frankly the medicine sometimes doesn’t even work. Which, is why lots of them drink or smoke excessively. So unless you know what its like keep your rude uneducated comments to yourself. Here is another fact for you John the father rejected that one million offer ok so I doubt they really are hoping to make money off their son. Just becuase Kelly didn’t mention anything to you about his Dad being a sheriff means nothing. Go to KFI 6.40 and listen to audio from his Dad Ron Thomas and it might give you an idea of what its like to be a parent of a schizophrenic. I will also tell you this disease is so hard to treat its actually impossible and the schizoprhrenic will take you down with them. So also keep in mind that normal people have needs to keep their sanity as well.

oh hell no, that wont happen, the only reason we are fixated with Cincinelli now is his is the only name/picture being passed about

and the fact that he probably has a prior injury that may or may not have been a piece of the puzzle-and the Kronyism to get him on FPD in the first place, makes interesting talk
As soon as someone talks as they should, instead of covering, and releases other names then the focus wont be just on this Butterbean

oh yeah, I didnt say OBESE, I said OVERWT and he is clearly overwt. I think that picture you claim isnt him looks like a younger version of Cincinelli-I dont care what you come up with from my picture, I calls em as I sees em.

I wish I would have done more to stop McKinley’s endorsement by the OC Republican Party. He barely squeaked through the sub committee vote, but no one from the 72nd AD which covers Fullerton pulled his name from the consent list, ergo he got the endorsement of the party and went on to win election to the council. Many were concerned about his pension double dipping. Now we learn that he was instrumental in hiring this rogue cop. I believe a recall would have a strong chance of success if it were started.

I wish I could be there tonight at the council meeting but due to a prior commitment I am unable to make it. But, as many residents that can be there…should be there. I am willing to sign the recall form(s) and to be one of the signatures needed to get the ball rolling. If someone is able to get the form to be signed, please advise where this would be.

I don’t think the problem here was caused by a lack of peripheral vision; it was caused by a lack of humanity. It takes a truly sadistic motherf*cker to administer the kind of beating that Kelly Thomas suffered.

I blame the sick bastard that perpetrated this crime and the inept leadership that allowed this type of culture to thrive at the FPD.

You dumb bastard, get your facts straight. Kelly’s family will not enrich themselves with 1 penny of the settlement money. If you’d been following this story, you’d know that they’re establishing a charitable foundation to assist the homeless in North Orange County.

It is encouraging to see the outrage of the community towards this incident.

Do not rely on the local law enforcement community for justice.

After the storm in New Orleans the only people that were committing murder was law enforcement. There are trials currently underway for these crimes.

But there wasn’t a single local/state agency that stepped forward to do anything. Not the coroner (Gee, we can’t tell what killed Mr. Thomas), not the district attorney, not the state attorney general, not the state police, not the internal affairs, and of course, not a peep from the local “journalists” (L.A. Times, you have revealed where your loyalty lies with your disgraceful coverage of Mr. Thomas’ murder)

The FBI and the U.S. Attorney for Los Angeles are the only ones who will do the right thing. They are above the mind boggling conflicts of interest that drive the coverups and silence those who were elected or paid to do the right thing, and don’t.

They are charged with preserving peoples’ faith in the system, and maintaining that faith is a higher priority to them than any podunk police force with rogue cops on it’s roster.

Pressure the feds, tell them these men have shaken your faith in the system. It might take them a few years, they will cast a wide net, get the small fish to roll over and give up the big fish, no mistrials, no prosecutorial misconduct, no mishandling of evidence.

John,
You are a stupid asshole! Shut the HELL up if you do not have anything intelligent to say!
His sister did drive out several times looking for, feeding, and talking with Kelly! You know nothing of his family or situation and what they did or did not do for him!
Crawl back into your hole you stupid Jack-Hole!

Oh boy, a lot of comments have been said about this brutal beating of this mentally ill young man! They all have substance and the bottom line here is that the entire Fullerton police Dept. needs a complete over-haul from TOP to BOTTOM!! However all of the innocent cops should be EXCLUDED!!

First off, who should be facing criminal charges: every damn cop at the incident, plus the desk sgt who was watching the video feed real-time; plus, the watch commander should disciplined with a demotion and written reprimand. This is the reason cops are held to a ‘higher standard’ of conduct: We let them carry the guns and have the authority. When any cop violates that, or witnesses it and does nothing, they are no better than the violent criminals they are supposed to protect us from. God help us and protect us from our police.

I can’t believe how everyone has put this whole thing together and they think they know what happened. You are a bunch of fools and when all the evidence is presented you will see that the officers did exactly what they had to do. I know Officer Cicinelli personally and he is NOT overweight, he is in good physical shape, he is not in any means retarted or brain damaged. Those accusations are actually comical if you know him. Just keep talkin your smack if it makes you feel better, I guess some have to place blame and jump on the band wagon to deal. This is such a sad situation for all involved. But let me say, those of you who are placing blame have NO IDEA what you are talking about and it will all come out in the wash. OH, and I AM NOT his mother.

Ratso is right. I got the same advice from a longtime U.S. intelligence operative — Dad, I called him — who said the only thing keeping the FBI useful is that their button-down environment, honed under Hoover, makes them sort of, well, like old crochety ladies when it comes to policing other las enforcement agencies. Ratso, you know whereof you speak. My Dad, in fact, goes all the way back to Will Bill Donovan days, and was at the Nuremberg Trials, sitting 10 feet from Hermann and the gang. Anyway, a pox on Fullerton PD.

Are you daft? Did you watch the MTA video? There is no mystery about what happened here. The cops ONCE AGAIN have murdered a citizen. If you think these are isolated incidents, subscribe to Radley Balko at HuffPo — so good on the crime beat that they hired him away from REASON mag. Watch the citizen videos, then come back and make some more lame excuses. There is MORE than enough prima facie evidence ALREADY to bind this one over, okay? You may not be Cicinelli’s mother, but you sound like just another automatic cop defender to me. If you can watch the videos and think this situation is hard to figure out, you will only betray your shoe-size IQ. You are part of the problem.

i think if the police do not like being scrutinized then they should have a job in the private sector. can anyone tell me what a police officer is qualified to do if he isnt a police officer. iam not talking about the good police in the northeast who have to have at the bare minimum a bs in criminal justice. here in california any old morn can be a cop. it sickens me.

from an earlier post who by my best guess is a cop
“I know Officer Cicinelli personally and he is NOT overweight, he is in good physical shape, he is not in any means retarted or brain damaged”

c’mon…really? ‘retarted’??? not only is the word offensive to begin with you cant even spell it correctly. you are a moron!!!
it wasnt a typo and please dont say it was
mall cop or car washer? which one is your backup dream?

@ SHIMON MENDEL as you can see they are all in denial all a bunch of cowards arrogant scum bottom feeders all of them not one has the balls to do what is right i hope they all go down with their captain they are all in violation of the Rico act it was put in law because of corrupt shit like this. it has been a real eye opener the one eyed cyclops is going to be bubbas prison inmate bitch can’t wait hey cyclops you fucked your own cop buddies i think they should beat your sorry swastika tattoo ass like you did to Kelly thomas you low life bottom feeder!

i think its awesome the fbi are coming to fullerton. wait till these cops start having to deal wit federal agents who could give a sh*t less about their smal city politics. what does a fired dirty cop do fo employment? what is he qualified to do?

967746 :
I can’t believe how everyone has put this whole thing together and they think they know what happened. You are a bunch of fools and when all the evidence is presented you will see that the officers did exactly what they had to do. I know Officer Cicinelli personally and he is NOT overweight, he is in good physical shape, he is not in any means retarted or brain damaged. Those accusations are actually comical if you know him. Just keep talkin your smack if it makes you feel better, I guess some have to place blame and jump on the band wagon to deal. This is such a sad situation for all involved. But let me say, those of you who are placing blame have NO IDEA what you are talking about and it will all come out in the wash. OH, and I AM NOT his mother.

Hi Officer Cincinelli.

Is it true you bragged to other officers about how you beat the life out of Kelly?

Wow, talk about “Monday Morning Quarterbacking”. You don’t know these officers,or their training and experiences.Most of your comments are emotional hysteria that you can’t back up.
There is so much here I can’t get my head around but for starters, the man in the picture at the top with the helmet is NOT Officer Cicinelli. He put his life on the line as a Marine and for the City of Los Angeles.At the time of his wrongful termination at LAPD he was able to meet all probationary standards AND there were other officers at LAPD that only had vision in one eye. He did not just get handed a job in Fullerton he EARNED it.He had to work a year as a reserve and pass ALL the tests and probation that any new officer would have to pass.He has held many assignments over the years and is more than competant. Many of you are misguided by your personal bias against police and authority. If these officers screwed up then they should be held accountable BUT you are judging them based on half truths and your own bloodlust. They were not looking for someone powerless to kill.This was obviously a more than dynamic situation and bystander commentary and crappy video don’t tell enough of the story. Officer Cicnelli has dedicated his entire adult life to his country, and community. He is a good man and very ordinary in many ways. He deserves the full extent of the legal system NOT the kangaroo court here.

Anyone with only one eye CANNOT have depth perception….it takes TWO eyes in order to see how near or how far something is…try it yourself….look across the room with one eye closed, then open and look with both eyes…..you’ll see what I mean. It’s hard to believe a police department would let someone with only one eye carry a gun when he/she cannot judge distance at all !!!!

Anyone with only one eye CANNOT have any depth perception….it takes TWO eyes in order to see how near or how far something is…try it yourself….look across the room with one eye closed, then open and look with both eyes…..you’ll see what I mean. It’s hard to believe a police department would let someone with only one eye carry a gun when he/she cannot judge distance at all !!!!

Jay has been a competant police officer since 1996 and has proven himself in EVERY skill set.You are following your own subjective logic which has nothing to do with reality. You have no idea what your talking about.

We need McKinley to be served in public comment section TODAY and 20 folks willing to put their names as proponents of the recall. You can withdraw the petition and not file it if circumstances change but McKinley, and by extension everyone else on the dais, need notice that the citizenry will tale extraordinary action if necessary.

That story about Cyclops being shot in the face may just be another instance of disinformation. This may have been a lifestyle choice by cyclops, after all if you have enough phallic shaped objects shoved in your face, your bound to go cross eyed after awhile, he may have just said “Oh, the heck with it” and had it taken out. Imagine the possibilities with two gaping, dripping holes in the middle of his melon. I’m just saying….

I actually agree. The scandal is less Cicanelli… He will be punished in due time. The issue is the lack of immediate investigation by the Chief, failure of the Choef to take charge of the situation, lack of training of the other officers for how to respond to rogue employees, excessive editing of police reports, and cronyism. This is a management issue and the Chief needs to resign now.

I gave Jay the keys to his patrol vehicle the afternoon he was shot. I just finished my shift and handed off my car to him and Addis. I stood guard at his bedside while he recovered from 5 gunshot wounds from a .45 cal handgun. He is a hero and was promised by then Chief Williams he would not lose his job. Jay recovered and was a better shot after his injuries than before. Chief Williams went back on his word and let him go because he was on probation and only out of the academy a few weeks when the shooting happened. Jay could’ve retired medically but all he ever wanted was to be a police officer. He is physically able to do the job and passed all the medical requirements per POST. Chief McKinley saw this and righted a wrong by giving him another shot. I truly hope the truth comes out and I hope Jay is okay (again). He is a really great guy.

hey mikey #86! you use the words bloodlust in your description of some posters here. have you seen any pics of kelley thomas? that looks like the victim of bloodlust, not a few scared and upset citizens expressing outrage over a murder. it was a murder and there is noting anyone can do or say to change that fact. six sworn officers participated ine the beating death of one kelley thomas.

you can say we werent there. you can say that a cops job is hard and you are under stress but you sill beat a defenseless homeless man to death. you must stand before a jury of citizens. we as jon q. public must see all evidence related to this case. if found guilty you should serve time with all the other murderers,rapists, and felons. no special treatment. as a matter of fact by betraying the public trust your punishment should be even more severe than a normanl citizens. say double the penalty under betraying their oathes to protect and serve

The fact that anyone would ask why FPD has not released the video just goes to show the mentality of the people who are posting. If you have to ask and don’t know the answer then I would suggest that you keep your foolish mouth shut. @merijoe….. you have some serious issues.

Those that dislike the Fullerton Police so much should never call them when they are in danger. I had to call them a couple days ago and I was so thankful when they arrived to help my neighbor. God Bless the people that protect us everyday and risk their lives. They have no idea who we are, but they will come when we call, no matter what.

If you dont like what is being said on this thread you may feel free to leave it at any time. We are a community of free thinkers and feel compassion for those less fortunate that have had wrongs done to them if you cannot relate to that, well thats just too damn bad for you! we will not be censored by you, cyclops or anyone else, the fpd silences 1 kelly thomas 10 more are going to rise up in his place. It took a Kelly Thomas to blow the lid off your little corupt empire. The fpd is never going to forget Kelly Thomas, whats more neither will we! Im looking at you, 967

its because they are paid to. its their job. when is the last time you blogged about the girl that served up your last big mac? statistically roofing is a much more dangerous profession than law enforcement. need a roofer just as badly as a cop. how about the next time it rains you writ to a blog thanking your roofer for having a dry head

You are the one who needs to shut your piehole, Cincinelli’s “friend” yeah right, butterbean, you brought this on yourself, you need to be held accountable. We want to see the city tape, we’ve already seen 2 tapes and Kelly’s face in photos that looks like its been thru the garbage disposal thanks to you-I mean your friend, the devil animal. The one who needs help is the beater and his covering a hole brothers/sisters in blue- SOB you are not getting away with this see to that and look for merijoe to be in the front row when you are sentenced

#99 Mr. Know it All, How is it physically possible for 6 people to make contact with one person. Did they line up and take turns? Unbelievable. Did you hear about the unicorn that flew down and got a kick in too!? I wasn’t there, but I saw it. Damn Police. They need to stop arresting criminals and let everyone run free!

we dont have to like or dislike to fdp in order for them to do their jobs. liking or not liking is irrelevant. wit me being a taxpayer the cop is supposed to be on retainer for me by me. if he doesnt like the scrutiny due to citizens having a reasonable expectation to not be murdered by said cop he should go find another job. the fact is 99% of cops cant find employment outside of law enforcement that meets or exceeds their salaries.

cop do not pay any taxes to america. not one red penny. their salaries are already paid by our taxes. the ‘taxes’ they pay are simply some of OUR money not being given to them and then being redistributed for the greater good. simply put if ayn rand were in charge these cops would not even be fed. they produce nothing and provide very little of the promised security

I’m not going anywhere, they’re not going to back out of this! This is a nightmare of thier own making! To hell with them!” Kellys dad 5 min ago. Thats what integrity sounds like fpd. Lets support this man anyway we can in his fight for justice on behalf of his son.

I would just like to give a shout out to all the roofers out there for risking their lives to patch that hole in my roof because you know I hate it when water gets on my floor. That shit does not dry. More importantly to that give that served me the biggest big mac I’ve ever had! You go girl! You are right Scotty! What was I thinking. We are all heroes willing to save each others lives. Just like all those heroes that were watching the fight. If my roofer was their he would of jumped in and helped save that bad guy! I just know he would!

PS: Call the Police when you need help because I dont give a fuck about saving your coward ass, only they do.

Has anyone heard any reports from the EMTs who were the first responders? What did they see? What were they told what happened to Kelly Thomas? Had the psycho 6 dispersed at that point? Which cops did the EMTs speak with?

Watching the live streaming broadcast and am so proud of some of our well-spoken community members. The gentlemen who spoke about Americans being blind – we point to other third world countries and their violence and corruption, but we don’t see what is happening in our backyard – spoke to me. Change is needed and I’m ready to believe in our country and our processes again. Justice needs to happen here.

Jay Cicinelli not only lost his eye in the shooting but he also lost his penis. Two bullets had struck his penis damaging it so bad it to be amputated. Now we all know why he is so pissed off all the time!

That is not true. According to Rand, the government exists to prevent force from being used against one’s fellow citizen (police) and to enforce contracts (court.) She also understood, and appreciated the need for a military and some other facets of government.

She didn’t believe government should take from one to give to another.

I am sick and tired of the same cliche used when it comes to police abuse.

“You should be thanking them”
“Armchair Quarterbacking”
“Keyboard Warrior”
“You weren’t there”
“He/She shouldn’t have resisted”
“They put their lives on the line everyday”
“Try being a police officer for a day”
and course “Don’t call when you need help next time.”

merijoe and nomad, I am not in any way shape or form affiliated with Fullerton PD and never have been and I am not Officer Cicinelli or any other Officer for that matter. AND Nomad why would you say if I don’t like what’s being said I can leave. This is an open forum and anyone is entilted to respond. Just remember all this that you are spewing so after all is said and done, you can feel like a complete idiot. In the meantime, you all really need to quit making fools out of yourselves.

Hopefully your ophthalmologist fires you for incompetence and complete lack of knowledge in your field. I will pray than none of your patients have been permanently harmed by your incompetence. If I were as ignorant as you are about the field I work in, I would refrain from drawing attention to myself by insulting somebody who is actually correct about what they are saying.

From Wikipedia:
“Since (by definition), binocular depth perception requires two functioning eyes, a person with only one functioning eye has no binocular depth perception.”

Ellipses only have three periods, and you should not capitalize the first word after the ellipses. Wow, you continue to own yourself with every comment. Please continue posting for our comedic entertainment.

Oh, did I offend you 967? Dont be hurt. Please feel free to stay, perhaps I was all wrong about you, you know about being a cop and all….967 wrote “I know officer cincinelli personally and he is not overweight he is in good physical shape.”……are you looking at him through your legs?! tut, tut, say no more, you’re a groupie, ain’t ya? Seems your parroting the sentiments of D Shep Or #20 “He is not obese nor does he have brain damage.” You “3″ having a circle jerk. I’m finished with this one, Next…..

so should that sick uniformed, one eyed animal that beat that little helpless homeless man to death with the butt of his taser and beat his head over and over again into cement after he dropped kicked him twice, crushed his throat for no reason other than he “had a bad day”, while the man tried to yell out for his daddy. (this is on video)

I was a deputy and police officer for a total of 10 years in a major urban County/City. I served on two SOT teams and was also a defensive tactics instructor. I am now in the Army (8 proud unblemished years in the Infantry) and have served in combat.
IOW, I am no stranger to violence, dynamic situations, the fishbowl policeman live in, or being on the recieving end of Monday morning quarterbacking.
Or any of the other thousands of excuses policemen have for behavior that would land a private citizen in prison.
As a Defensive Tactics instructor, I have studied use of force videos and am fully aware that what may appear shocking on videotape to the untrained and inexperienced eye is sometimes fully justified when explained and viewed through the lens of the Use of Force Continuum.
For those reasons I am going to grant you that you are right about this – I wasn’t there. There might be justificaton for six armored and armed policemen beating a 135lb unarmed homeless man into a coma while he screams for his dad to save him.
There might be a fucking Bigfoot, too.
I always chuckle at tose who refer to “damaged combat vets who come home unhinged.” I came home praying I would never have to lift my hand to another human being so long as I live. But I am a soldier, and I dont believe that prayer will be granted.
I always feel uncomfortable when people thank me so profusely for my service. I appreciate it, really. But I volunteered. I wasn’t a babe in the woods. Its what I do, because someone needed to do it. And if not me, who? If I didn’t believe the American public was worth doing it for, I’d do something else.
So, back to our selfless heroes on the Fullerton PD -whats their story? If the awesome burden of their service is too much for their sensitive souls, get another job. But don’t expect us to fellate you for your sacrifice -you weren’t drafted and any thanks I owe you comes in the form of pay and benefits. Not happy with those? See “get another job” above.
And if you beat some poor guy to death and your department (to include your supposedly “good” comrades who object, but not so strenously they will speak out like men of honor) covers it up, there is not a prison too dark or tree to hang you from too high to suit me. Warriors defend the defenseless from Thugs like you.
I have more respect for the Taliban. At least they don’t expect sympathy from their victims.
My oath was to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.
I am really beginning to think our rifles are pointed the wrong way.

Very intelligent comment, #122 — If you aren’t willing to look the other way when we brutally beat a citizen, then “screw you” when it comes to us actually doing are job legally. (Isn’t that extortion, by the way??? — we will do the job we’re paid and commissioned to do, as long as nobody questions our gestapo tactics…)

Well said John @ the Slidebar.
I’m SO angry about this precious human soul having his life beat out of him by the guys that are supposed to keep us alive, that I didn’t even think about his family profiting from this. Sickening!
This is not about me, but I feel a lot less safe now. If these cops would beat a helpless man to death, then I hate to imagine what else they may have gotten away with in the past, in the name of the law, that we don’t know about. They have absolutely no regard for human life.

Disgusted by fpd :
A commenter sent this image that purports to be Cicinelli (with Mike Hillman) after the shooting that left him blind in one eye, etc.
That is the caption below the picture. Read the caption next time. Words mean things.

Please show me where that caption says the picture was taken in 1996 or is a photo of Cincinelli in 1996.

Dude, you are a f*cking badass. This is the best post on the entire site.

(1) “There might be a fucking Bigfoot, too.”
(2) “But don’t expect us to fellate you for your sacrifice -you weren’t drafted and any thanks I owe you comes in the form of pay and benefits”
(3) “Not happy with those? See ‘get another job’ above.”
(4) “your supposedly ‘good’ comrades who object, but not so strenuously they will speak out LIKE MEN OF HONOR”
(5) “I have more respect for the Taliban. At least they don’t expect sympathy from their victims.”

thanks Mike, and in respect to your fine posting may I added that you can find the lochness monster in my bathtub too if there is a good reason found that “we citizens dont know” for 6 thugs who all outweighed Kelly by 100 lbs each to pummel him, crush his throat, electrocute him over and over and crack his head open with the butt end of a tazer while he was unconcious. There might be another good explanation that we citizens dont know as to why about 30 eyewitnesses were too scared, thinking they’d be next, if they dared intervene any of these gestapo from their feeding frenzy.

Allen Bartlett, I would expect cheap shots, supposition and flat out ignorant comments from most of these other anti-Police whiners, but not from you. How about keeping your undershorts from getting bunched up and wait until the investigation is complete and the facts are on the table. As far as badmouthing an Officer with a physical impairment, you all should be ashamed of yourself. If that Officer is working the streets he had been cleared by the State POST people and the doctor for the City of Fullerton. Considering his past record of heroism under fire, I would take Jay Cicinelli watching my back any day of the week. Most of the people who whine out loud on this list would’t last one shift working the streets as a Police Officer. For you whiners my only comment is to crawl back to your job at MacDonalds and leave the tough work of protecting the citizens of Fullerton to men like Jay Cicinelli

Stud, very well written, direct and to the point from someone who has been there and done that. Fortunately, the vast majority of citizens are not like the whiners we hear from on this site, or I sure as hell wouldn’t have put my ass on the line for them for all those years. Thank you for your serving our country and stay safe.

I used to think highly of McKinley. With due respect to Cicinelli’s LAPD heroism, he should have NEVER
been put back on the street with one eye- McKinley should be held accountable for this inexcusable f***up. McKinley endangered other cops lives and citizen lives with this obvious case of cronyism. LAPD rejects the guy-wisely- Fullerton basically got saddled with an LAPD reject because of McKinley. The fact that this cop put his “dream” of being an officer above all common sense that says other people’s lives are more important speaks to his selfishness and McKinley’s incredibly poor judgment. It’s just a miracle he didn’t kill a family of 4 rolling code 3 in his unit one night because he didnt have depth perception-tragedy was the likely outcome of hiring him and McKinley is accepting none of the blame. Shameful.

yeah it is true. these jokers arent doing it for free. they are contracted to protect and serve yet are not protecting and serving. in other words taking and not giving back hence not being deserving of even the gift of a full plate of food. how is this lost on you?

Well Mike, I might be “morally grotesque” but coming from an ex-Cop, makes me wonder if the truth be known, you couldn’t cut it in the business now walk around with a big chip on your shoulder? Again, neither you, I or any of the other people commenting here, were there and saw first hand what happened. As a former Cop, if you really were, you would know that you never presume a suspect to be guilty or innocent until all the evidence has been gathered, witnesses interviewed and the investigation concluded. Makes me wonder just how many crimes you really investigated?

A year from now (when the investigation is still underway *wink*) this incident will be long forgotten, the officers involved will never face justice or even a criminal court then a year later (two years) the city will give Kelly Thomas’s father a 3-4 million payout…

Of course by then most of the other officers will move onto other agencies and officer Jay “Mean Machine Angel” Cicinelli will probably retire and receive pensions from both the LAPD and FPD.

In the meanwhile the investigation from both the county and Dept of Justice will show that the officers probably used excessive force but does not reach the standards of …blah blah blah blah …training …yada yada yada …the end.

@ fullerton citizen (65) The cops will probably be in protected custody. They do have torpedos (prison gang members) who debrief with the guards so they can PC down. This usually reserved for snitches. Once in PC, the torpedos go after the snitches

I got a speeding ticket from that dude! Lol. Thank god he didn’t kill me for it. Seriously though, I remember him being really pissed off when he pulled me over which I’ve neber experienced before while getting a ticket. Maybe the whole department needs some serious anger management training. A really nice FPD cop let me off with a warning today tho. Didnt catch his name. Moral: there are still some good ones in Fullerton.

“Well Mike, I might be “morally grotesque” but coming from an ex-Cop, makes me wonder if the truth be known, you couldn’t cut it in the business now walk around with a big chip on your shoulder?”

the business? police work is a business? i thought it was civil service. you get into police work to turn a profit? i thought civil service duty was for G-D and country not to turn a profit. if they really cared about their communities they wouldnt be burying whole states with their entitlements.

scotty, too bad you didn’t use some of that money to get an education and improve your writing skills past the third grade. As far as not paying taxes, Cops pay them just as any other citizen does. I paid more tax last year to the Federal and State government than you probably have paid in your entire lifetime? If I had to venture a guess, you are one of those Obama junkies waiting for him to redistribute the wealth of working folks to you?

to ltpar…i am quite sure that the UCMJ still holds our brothers at arms to a higher standard than the fpd..err..the union. why is it you automatically assume that mike ‘couldnt cut it’ because he didnt make a career out of being a cop? he took a tremendous cut in pay to really put his life on the line while having his conduct held to a higher standard. frankly your comment inferring he couldnt cut it as a cop so he joined the military is pretty offensive. it was truly a moronic statement on your part ltpar. i mean really…
could it be he was attracted to good leadership? to accountability? i dont know mike but he described the positive things i took from my time in the service. maybe he believes the mission statements. these 6 officers definately did not even bother to read the mission statements painted boldly on their cruiser doors “TO PROTECT AND SERVE’. at the very least they are guilty of gross negligence of their duties and at most……conspiracy to commit premeditated murder.

so for some of us who would rather be enjoying this fine summer night outdoors in socal we are performing our civic duty and reacting the only peaceful way we know how….through public discourse. the alternative is ugly and something we need not think about right now

This goes out to all the bad cops, everyone trying to cover this up, and those who keep defending the actions of the Fullerton 6. Satan has a nice little corner in hell waiting for you and it probably resembles something out of the movie Hostel. NO THREATS. THAT’S JUST HOW THE GOOD LORD WORKS. If they somehow manage to get away with it or get a slap on the wrist, they wont be able to escape the ultimate punishment. ETERNITY IN HELL.

People change. Even if he is a really great guy, It doesn’t take 6 policemen to subdue one 135lb suspect. A simple use of the taser or two should have been enough. I speak from personal experience. My biggest altercation included 5 of us. We needed to subdue a very large and very drunk Samoan one night outside of a night club. We did it without the use of a taser and no one was injured. It’s “protect and serve.” not “protect and serve with street justice.” I remember the Jay Cincinelli story. I also remember how I felt when he was medically retired after testing and passing all of the POST requirements. It was a tragedy. In fact, if I remember correctly, he passed with slightly higher scores after his injury. No matter what you know about him, he was a part of something very terrible and needs to be held accountable as well as the rest of the officers whom took part. It’s a huge black eye on a profession that I love dearly. Because of this, all of law enforcement will suffer in some form. I don’t care nor do I worry about Jay Cincinelli. I care about what this incident will do for the personnel in law enforcement. The people that perform their jobs in a professional manner will suffer dramatic blow back from this one night for several months, maybe years to come.

no they dont. the money they get in the first place is money taken from tax paying citizens. where do you think the money comes from? if you are talking about the money that ‘taken’ for these taxes you speak of it was taxpayer money to begin with. we just let have have less.
i am self employed and my cousin is an accountant. i have a light tax burden. yes i voted for obama because i felt he was the right choice to remove our marines from peacekeeping operations in iraq and afghanistan. i also feel single-payer health care is the way to go. i put my time into military service did you?

Gee Mike, LAPD didn’t feel that way now did they. Quit blowin smoke up our ass here. There is a legal term that is going to be applied in the wrongful death suit against the city- its called negligent retention. It looks real bad when you pick up obvious rejects from other agencies who were terminated or medically retired. I am predicting an 8 figure payout when a jury gets a hold of this.

@ # 156 well tough guy i would not blame you for wanting jay he is one of your butt buddies listen moron talk about not lasting i have 2 family members who are now Sargent’s in the Bronx n.y none of you bottom feeders would last an hour they deal with the dregs of society you guys work in Fullerton this is Disney land compared to n.y it is laughable how you The FPD just dismiss all the eye witnesses i guess we all have it out for the cops what a dam fool it was just reported there is now another video that was shot from the train station that has close ups of the beat down.On the issue of calling your hero uncomplimentary name boo hoo what do you think he was calling Kelly Thomas as he was snuffing his life.About him passing the lame ass test when you lose an eye there is no peripheral vision any reasonable person would not want to be in a squad car this is just insane.
the test is obviously it is flawed were is the citizen safety here.
police are suppose be in control of there faculty’s at all times.So what is the excuse for the silence? And what is the deal with officer robo cop kent Hampton always confronting any one who is recording police activity and don’t tell me they were hampering the police activity they were plenty far away.i would think good cops would want to be recorded in case they were themselves accused of any wrong doing.Or is it because they do not want to be caught being less than the people they are subduing.On another thought i just looked at the ratings on Rate my Cop site there are 10 police listed there 2 out of 10 with green lights the rest are all red wow what a surprise.I love the Karma the FPD has been severed they get busted by the city cameras and the film director was one of there own be sure to tell officer “i did nothing wrong” Kent Hampton smile! your on eye in the sky camera “o” yea did you get Kelly Thomas blood out of your uniform i hope you all have nightmares for the rest of your pathetic lives.

oh and ltpar! women always cheat on angry bitter men. just trying to help. you cannot defend the indefensible and it’s at your own expense if you continue to do so. how do you tell a woman that 1500lbs of highly trained and skilled peace officers with the reflexes of jungle cats had to beat a 160lb weakling to death in order to slap a pair of cuffs on him.

How long did you work the streets? From the sound of you you were one of those dudes who did your one year of probation then fast tracked into DARE, then a Sgts slot, then good old Admin.
I worked the streets for over 20 years because I loved it and frankly never really had much use for cops who treated patrol like it was some thing to be avoided. It is what police work is all about. I was involved in thousands of arrests with bangers and parolees exponentially more dangerous than Kelly. I don’t recall ever needing 6 cops, and in all of those arrests, the arrestees never suffered anything close to the facial trauma you see on Kelly. There were broken bones and other injuries from applying correct arrest and control techniques. Have you seen the picture? It really is worth a thousand words. And challenging Mike-who stated he did 10 years with a Sheriffs dept about his motivations aint cool. You can form your own opinion here and in my case I have a lot of experience backing it.

yes actually im 100 percent positive the guy on the right in the picture is cicinelli the one eyed guy. he messed up my brothers wrists pretty bad a few years ago with cuffs to the point where he was bleeding for no reason just to search him since it was late then let him go cuz he had nothing on him. I always knew that guy was going to murder someone someday. He has anger issues hes mentally unstable in my opinion and should of stayed retired after he got shot. I dont know about you guys but Im more afraid of getting killed by cops then drug dealers or convicts

yes actually im 100 percent positive the guy on the right in the picture is cicinelli the one eyed guy. he messed up my brothers wrists pretty bad a few years ago with cuffs to the point where he was bleeding for no reason just to search him since it was late then let him go cuz he had nothing on him. I always knew that guy was going to murder someone someday. He has anger issues hes mentally unstable in my opinion and should of stayed retired after he got shot. I dont know about you guys but Im more afraid of getting killed by cops then drug dealers or convicts

Not exactly friends :
#99 Mr. Know it All, How is it physically possible for 6 people to make contact with one person. Did they line up and take turns? Unbelievable. Did you hear about the unicorn that flew down and got a kick in too!? I wasn’t there, but I saw it. Damn Police. They need to stop arresting criminals and let everyone run free!
Last question, Why do you lock your doors?
RIP Mr. Thomas. I am sorry you chose the life of a criminal.

I hope you rot in hell and get a assbeating of a lifetime for saying that.How dare you call Kelly Thomas a criminal. You did not know him or i gurantee you wouldnt be saying that. And even the criminals out there dont deserve to be BEATEN TO DEATH! Have you seen the picture of kelly? Its fucking horrible and anyone who can do that to someone deserves to rot in jail the rest of there lives. Obviously the cops werent scared for there lives he was on the ground the whole time crying for his dad while they were beating and tasing him. Fkn idiot get your head out of your ass.That should be enough evidence right there to atleast put a couple of those cops away for a long long time. No one deserves that

No, his death was not deserved. This was not his “punishment” for being a criminal, but his choices did lead him to his final destination. It is tragic and I do feel for him and his family. I don’t believe the police did this because they felt he “deserved” it. They were doing their job the way they have been trained. He was resisting they were reacting. My trust is in the police not someone who continues to break the law. Not saying Kelly was a terrible person. Just because people choose to be criminals doesn’t mean they don’t have a good heart.

I don’t think it is right how much hate is coming out of all this.

Friends of Fullerton should not be police bashing to honor Kelly. Instead they should be helping the homeless population survive so they don’t feel the need to break into peoples cars, find them help if they have a mental illness or if they have drinking problems get them help.

My heart goes out to all parties hurting from this. No one wanted this to go down the way it did.

Your statistics are irrelevant, but while you are on google search looking up statistics, can you look up how many garbage collectors fatalities there were last year and compare it to the number in law enforcement. Thanks Friend and God Bless.

Wow, these cops are something else on here. Normal people usually use a shovel to bury their professional lives with. It appears that these ever diligent law enforcement professionals (yes, terminology used very loosely) use bulldozers.

Oh, and please cease all attempts at trying to write intelligently as you are only making matters worse in that regard. You know who you are.

#162 967746 Please ignore the tasteless comments made by merijoe and nomad. I can only image what type of people they must be by the comments they are making. Their statements lose a lot of credibility and respect when they say things like that. I hope your friend knows that many strong still stand behind Fullerton PD. Those acting like they are trying to keep the peace are the most violent mouthed people posting.

Ltpar :
scotty, too bad you didn’t use some of that money to get an education and improve your writing skills past the third grade. As far as not paying taxes, Cops pay them just as any other citizen does. I paid more tax last year to the Federal and State government than you probably have paid in your entire lifetime? If I had to venture a guess, you are one of those Obama junkies waiting for him to redistribute the wealth of working folks to you?

most cops are cowards that is why it takes 15 cops to arrest 1 guy and then when they fuck up big time and beat to death a homeless man then run and hide. What a joke these fullerton 6 are dirty rotten cops, 2 cops on the counsel also dirty rotten cops, the cheif is dirty rotten cop. Fullerton is better than this

I do not worry about my safety as a resident of fullerton. The video and other evidence in this case CAN NOT be released yet as it is part of the investigation into the death of Mr. Thomas. It’s release would violate others civil rights and if im reading these comments correctly, that seems to be foremost on peoples minds. As often happens, when the investigation is done and the video and other evidence is made public people will sit back and realize that they fell victim to the sensationalizing of this event at the hands of those more interested in promoting themselves or their perceived just causes. The lasting effect as always will be a skewed opinion of the men and women of law enforcement. Patience and common sense should dictate these types of events not the sensationalism of groups such as FFF and radio talk show programs. Groups like the FFF make me fear for the city and its future. Shame on you FFF for fanning the flames of fear within the public forum and for inciting what i perceive to be a mob mentality. I hope when all the hype settles down those responsible for their irresponsible and inciteful remarks pay for it in a court of law. BTW, I notice that most of those calling for the officers heads seem to know little about policing or the judicial system. Maybe they should take a class on policing or the justice system to actually be qualified to talk about such matters…..just saying. I support the men and women of the Fullerton Police department.

I havent heard one comment by a legal person for Mr Thomas’s side saying that tapes and the names of the cops cant be released cause it will ruin the case. Ive heard the other side say this cause they know they are guilty and want to weasal out of their responsibilty and come out like shining knights on white horses. the “men and women of FPD” are covering and likely would do the Watergate shuffle ie shred everything based on what their dirtbag lawyers are telling them, so go to hell with your BS about “things cant be released because of ongoing investigation” you need to take a class on ethics

Brother….I have the utmost respect for your service in the civil and military sectors. But, and you knew as a reply there would be one, as your experiences as a police officer have shown lambasting those involved in a dynamic situation without having been there….ref: heresay…you should at least reserve inflamatory public comment until investigations are complete and evidence revealed. I admire and support your vigilance as this is a noble and common sense thing to do, but do we know the facts? Was Mr. Thomas resisting? Were other officers injured? Did Mr. Thomas attempt to take officers weapons? What was the mind set of each officer involved and why did they use the particular type of force they did? TRAGIC INCIDENT? Whithout any doubt!! but to date i have not seen or heard any of the officers brag or even comment on what occurred. As you know, in custody deaths occur for any number of reasons. We should be focused on following the investigation and assuring that the truth comes out. I do know these officers personally. If it comes out that they were wrong in what they did, they will pay for it. Just as I would or you would if we did something wrong. I ask you sir, put yourself in their shoes or the shoes of a family member…would you want to be found guilty in the court of public perception and prosecuted as such before your rights were even considered. For ALL involved, Mr. Thomas and the officers….let’s be vigilant and responsible in our comments and not fan the flames as many on this site are attempting…as you said it …we are men who answer a calling from GOD and we do what we do because someone has to….let’s apply that here and keep this one from becoming more tragic…..because someone has to.

JOE……good word…obfuscating….but, the high profile of this case is it’s own assurance that a proper investigation will be done. Nobody is going to put their career on the line to “cover up” any criminal acts in this case.

I read the “glowing” article about Michael Hillman. Seems like a great guy. I don’t know. I never met him and I work for LAPD.

What irritates me is he took credit for meeting with Chief Stehr of Burbank and offering 100 officers to help out the night Pavelka got shot. I guess what he forgot to say was I am the one who requested those 100 officers. In fact, I got a commendation for the entire incident. But being I was only at the rank of a police officer at the time, he felt it was OK to take the credit. At least I know the truth and can take pride in the fact I helped Burbank that night.

was it policy and procedure to taze a person over and over, drop kick them in the head until they crush their thoats, crack a persons skull open while unconcious, if they run away from the cops ie gestapofor something they may or maynot have done?

I know this is a very tragic situation, but you dont see this kind of drama with all the twists and turns in a Lifetime Cable TV movie. The depth of corruption from the Mayor down is amazing. I truly hope the Citizens of Fullerton show the country who they are by cleaning house from top to bottom and just starting all over again.

I don’t want the tapes released because I want a conviction and I want this case to be tried in Orange County. If you remember the BART shooting case last year, they moved it to LA because of riots in Oakland. The cop’s lawyers said the video and nonstop coverage tainted the jury pool. It is unlikely they would try this in Fullerton but better in South County than in, say, Bakersfield.

releasing the evidence in an ongoing investigation to the public compromises an accurate and non biased investigation not to mention the ability for the officers to get a fair trial if it is found that criminal acts occurred. Do you want a mistrial and/or charges dropped if it comes to a criminal trial. for Mr. Thomas’s sake, if that is what you are really interested in, you should let the investigation be completed first.the evidence will be provided at that time.

hey calwatch, when did the Cheif start his investigation? How should the Cheif have taken charge of the situation? Can you give us an example? What training should the officers have received regarding response to “rouge” employees? Can you define what a “rouge” employee is? What editing of reports occurred? Did you see this happen? What was changed in the reports? Did you see the original reports to verify that this actually occurred? How do you know that editing actually happened? Did you see it? hear about it? Did it come to you in a dream? Before you comment on such a sensitive and serious matter you should have some sort of qualification to do so…such as….um ….i don’t know ……. being there perhaps..or do you just swallow everything you see and hear on the internet, news or by the latest talking head?

you are right jeff….next time someone is stealing your property or hurting your family you better not call FPD…call the FBI and im sure they will be there right away to provide safety and security for your family

because you dont release evidence that will compromise a current or future investigations. That is how the justice system protects your constitutional right in the present and future. try reading a little judicial procedure sands……you just might have a little more qualification to actually make an intelligent comment on here

corrupt little empire….LOL!!!….Hey nomad…..I think your net traffic is being tracked…Check your phone lines lately? can you say BUG??? you know i heard that they can read your mind now too…better go put on your tin foil hat before they get all of that classified info stashed away in your tiny little cranium………..LOL!!!

“i dont want the tapes released because I want a conviction”…..hey calwatch, the right to a fair trial, look it up some time. If you care about mr thomas at all you surely can see that suppression of any type of evidence will lead to dismissal of any charges if they are ever brought about. Im sure that if you were being tried and had video evidence showing you were innocent of a crime youare being charged with you would want to have it entered into trial, right? If you just hate cops and want them to go to prison have the balls to say just that and not dress it up some other way. Im sure that many other important political leaders felt the way you do about just convicting someone without a fair trial…..like …..Hitler or Stalin perhaps??

Not releasing the tapes to the public preserves a fair trial foreveryone. It removes an argument for the cop’s defense to impeach a witness on the stand. Obviously the defense will get discovery on all evidence, including videos of the scene. But the public doesn’t need to see it, at least until the case has been tried in a court of law. I think you could still get a fair trial in Newport Beach, or Riverside or San Bernardino if they had to move the trial. I would not trust a Central Valley jury to convict — nor would the officer’s defense trust a Bay Area jury to acquit.

He could have started by calling a press conference once Kelly Thomas died. He could have suspended the officers immediately. Most LEOs in officer involved shootings are on admin leave once the incident occurs. Look at what Charlie Beck or Lee Baca do after an OIS. Or see how BART PD handled the Mesehrle OIS… Textbook case even if it didnt please the liberal activists. Instead Sellers sent lackey Goodrich to give all statements. Where’s the press conference? Why did it take weeks to issue the press release calling for witnesses? If the procedure manual directs officers to stop those who violate the use of force policy, why didn’t any of the bystander cops step in? (Training) There will be Jays in the force… But where were the others?

And by the way you can’t spell Chief correctly. I type on my phone and rouge is a word so it doesn’t correct.

Fpd and supporters of fpd seem to be aggravated when people speak up and voice thier opinions whether inane or matter of fact against the fpd or policing in general. Well thats too damn bad, because you are not going to keep the lid on this story and its not going to go away, nor are we. Your bully and intimidation tactics do not work here. The public outcry against these officers and thier heavy handed tactics and the subsequent coverup has been heard, dont like it do ya!

You’re totally right. No one could actually see what was going on in the video, all we have is onlooker’s comments and hearsay. His injuries from that photo could’ve just as easily been licked on by kittens….

Point is, it doesn’t matter the specifics of the violence against Mr. Thomas, he came out in an inhuman condition and DIED of his injuries. Questioning the logistics of how it happened is petty and ridiculous of you. The only thing those cops had to do afterwards was wash off the blood. Trying to sort out the specifics of the brutality of this interaction or even what Mr. Thomas was doing while he received this 6 on 1 beating is far beside the point.

Your comments are very enlightening to me. I can clearly see the bubble that police officers live in. You honestly think that everything you do for everyone, every day is heroic, which is laughable. Most citizens DO feel the way a lot of people here do but you just don’t know it because they literally fear the repercussions. That’s a sad state of affairs and keeps you on your ivory tower thinking everyone is walking around revering you. That’s not reverence, it’s disgust and fear. And Im sure you like it that way. But not even police can escape karma. Bad cops may never end up in jail and may never be found guilty but you can bet their lives are miserable in one way or another.

I would love to see justice served to the officers that killed Mr. Thomas but if it’s not, that’s fine, they’ll get theirs one way or another, people always do.

Nomad … there is no bullying or intimidation here…. what there is however is lots of speculation articulated with rage fueled comments that incite violence toward the police and those running the city. you are right …this will not go away, but inciting violence against those involved will not bring about justice…in fact it supports civil unrest due to an incident that has not even had a criminal charge leveled upon it. Your actions here are irresponsible and should also be addressed by the public. In the same manner that you dont yell fire in a crowded theatre you should temper your comments with facts and reason instead of yelling with a pitchfork and torch.

Too late for your fpd supporting diatribe, people who post here are free to express thier opinion as they wish and if this investigation is making you a little hot in your pants, too bad! as they say “If you cant stand the heat……”

Making a judgment call based only on the video, am I? Well, no. I’m not. I’m making the judgment call based on two videos, one of which contained spontaneous utterances by eyewitnesses. I am making a judgment call based on what appears to be credible testimony from an anonymous insider. Those facts would only take me to the level of Reasonable Suspicion by themselves. I might say wait if that was all we had. But throw in the actions of a department that apparently won’t even be bothered to try to avoid the appearance of impropriety in their response to this incident and finally, in the common sense reflection that had this involved private citizens (whatever the justification ultimately turned out to be) those private citizens would have already been arrested and charged – well, “Probable Cause” has been achieved.
Oops. And lets not forget “The Dead Guy.” Thats pretty compelling too.
You understand that probable cause is the legal requirement for a police officer to deprive a person of life, liberty and property, don’t you? In fact, “Reasonable Suspicion” under Terry v. Ohio (defined as “articulable facts) is the only requirement for deprivation of liberty for “stop and frisk.” “Beyond a Reasonable Doubt” is only required for a conviction in a court of law. So if we have met the standard for a policeman to arrest and charge a person (and use any force necessary up to and including deadly force to effect the arrest), or at the very least stop and frisk that person, we have more than met the standard for Mike to say “This Smells A Whole Lot Like Bullshit. Bullshit I Have Smelled (and your allusion to my background should have hipped you to) Seen Before.”
Particularly when no legal standard exists which attaches a requirement for me to form an opinion in the first place. I have gone above and beyond what the law requires of me by keeping my silence this long.
Simply Go Away? No, I won’t. But I am sure you would like me too -and take all the rest of these snivelling, scumbag loving, cop hating, probably-voted-for-Obama-and-support-gay marriage-Dope-smoking-liberal-crybabies with me while I am at it too. I see that all over this site on this issue. And you just can’t see it, can you? That description may fit some of these people (and so what if it does – that doesn’t mean they can’t be right about this), but it certainly doesn’t fit everyone who is outraged about this. Not from what I’ve read. It certainly doesn’t fit me. People from all walks of life are outraged, and regardless of what the final outcome of this investigation is (I can’t wait myself -Men From Mars, lightning bolts out of his ass, laser beams frm his eyes, I am really waiting to see somebody explain this), they should be. When a citizen dies at the hands of the government that we employ to serve us, I damn well hope somebody is paying attention and cares enough to say -”You need to explain this.” When one dies under these circumstances, decent people are justified in being outraged and to demand answers from their public servants NOW – I really don’t care to live in a world where that doesn’t happen.
Remember, like the suspect in the interrogation room, the FPD is the one really in control of this situation. The sooner they come clean with all the evidence, with the TRUTH – the sooner this is over. Then, if there is nothing untoward here – we will all “simply go away.”
I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard a cop say “an honest citizen shouldn’t mind us searching his car. If he isn’t doing anything wrong, he has nothing to worry about.” But when the shoe is on the other foot, my but ya’ll do get butthurt, dontcha? “How dare these sheeple get all uppity and demand that we, their masters, explain our actions! Who do these….citizens….. THINK THEY ARE!
Try this attitude on for size and see if it doesn’t work better for you – If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. You would welcome scrutiny, as the only possible outcome of that scrutiny would be credit for your honest, straightforward efforts on behalf of law, order and all that is decent. Remember, unlike that citizen that so many cops seem to think should be just tickled shitless to let cops paw through his vehicle on the roadside while his wife watches, you OWE the public that attitude. You are asking that citizen to surrender his rights to allow you to do that.
“Simply Go Away.” Yes, now we arrive at the crux of the problem, of which this tragic incident is only a symptom. The sneering, “how dare you question your betters,” “We don’t need no stinking badges” attitude that fairly oozes from US law enforcement not just all over these pages in this forum but into so tediously many encounters with your employers (thats the citizens, FYI) on the streets of this country.
And by the way, yes. I have damn sure been guilty of it myself. I know what Im talking about.
Some may fancy it enlightened and less – how shall I say it – “Full of one’s self” to scold us into looking at thse cops and saying “there but for the grace of God go I.” Maybe that is your attitude. I look at Kelly Thomas, think of my son, imagine myself watching a video and hearing him scream for me to save him with his last conscious breath – then I think of Kelly Thomas’ father who doesn’t have to imagine it – and along with a lot of other people say “there but for the grace of God go I.” Try it some time. It doesn’t make me feel “full of myself.”
In closing, I want to point out what is very possibly the defining deifference between myself (and I suspect many others on this site) and you and the other FPD supporters – I hope we are wrong. I pray we are wrong. I hope that when all the evidence finally comes to light there is a perfectly rational explanation for this tragedy and I wind up eating every word I have posted on it. I hope when this is over, I will have no honest intellectual option but to come on this site and say “I am sorry. I was wrong.” Because if we aren’t wrong, I have to wonder if we are living and I am defending the United States of Dystopia – and whether this man’s blood is a drop in the bucket compared to what is to come before things are right again.

THESE OFFICERS SEEM TO HAVE THE SAME BEHAVIOR AS MANY ON METH. WHY ARE THEY NOT DRUG TESTED FOR USE. EVEN WITH TIME PAST THE HAIR TEST DONE BY SOME COMPANYS CAN RECORD QUIT A WHILE BACK AND WOULD COVER THE TIME OF THE BEATING. THESE OFFICERS DID NOT ACT LIKE OFFICERS, SO THEY SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE THE PUBLIC IS WHEN ANYONE IS OUT OF CONTROL WITH DRINKING OR DRUS

The problem with the Fullerton police can be traced to an evil communistic policing model which they have embraced called COPS (Community Oriented Policing)–the goals of which are NOT to enforce law, but to subvert law in an effort to transform traditional society. COPS isn’t traditional law enforcement, it’s anarchistic and treasonous. Fullerton has adopted this model and you can read more about it here:http://www.newswithviews.com/community_policing/community_policing.htm

For some that are overly concerned about the civil rights of the lowlife scums that beat Kelly to death, why don’t you answer the question about why these scum did not consider Kelly’s rights before killing him?

Nomad, I don’t see any bullying or intimidatation tactics against you anywhere on this blog. What I do see is a lot of HATE that is fueled by speculation. It appears you have tried, convicted and executed these officers and you DO NOT have any facts. I really can’t believe how adults are spewing foul language and vugarity with no merit. I can’t ever imagine being a police officer and having to deal with this mentality on a daily basis. But I will do something for all of you and for EVERYONE involved. I will pray for you and ask God to give you peace in your hearts. Even when you find out how wrong you are, I will not say I told you so, I will just ask God to use this situation to minister to all of you. And anyone who is calling Officer Cicinelli a “murder” without knowing what they are talking about will have to answer for that. God Bless.

Are you saying that the jury won’t be allowed to see this video? What does it matter if they see this video before AND during the trial? This is a serious question, I don’t know the legal ramifications of this. I DO know that it is fairly common to release video before the trial. Why not in this instance.

There’s video evidence, including video and audio of eyewitnesses who gave a detailed account of the GANG MURDER immediately after they witnessed it.
The only complaint that LEO claims to have been investigating was a possible ID on a person who has been breaking into cars in that area.
The only other complaint that LEO has claimed, is that Kelly initially ran from them.

ALL Eyewitness accounts have confirmed the FACT that Kelly was wielding a weapon and not in a position to pose danger to the murderers.

They ALL state that Kelly Thomas was NOT fighting back.

You stare at that photo of Kelly’s injured face, long and hard; Then give me a logical explanation that justifies that disgusting beating.

JayMustPay :
There’s video evidence, including video and audio of eyewitnesses who gave a detailed account of the GANG MURDER immediately after they witnessed it.
The only complaint that LEO claims to have been investigating was a possible ID on a person who has been breaking into cars in that area.
The only other complaint that LEO has claimed, is that Kelly initially ran from them.
ALL Eyewitness accounts have confirmed the FACT that Kelly was wielding a weapon and not in a position to pose danger to the murderers.
They ALL state that Kelly Thomas was NOT fighting back.
You stare at that photo of Kelly’s injured face, long and hard; Then give me a logical explanation that justifies that disgusting beating.

IF THE PUBLIC CAN NOT SEE THE TAPE AND THE DA AND FBI HAVE. THEY COULD ALSO ALTER THINGS THEY HAVE THE THE TALENT.

IF A CIVIL CASE IS FILED CAN THE DEMAND OF THE TAPE BE MADE??? EVEN IF THERE IS NO CRIMINAL CHARGES IT IS STILL EVIDENCE AND A CIVIL CASE CAN JUST HANG IN THE AIR AND NOT PROCEED TILL THE CRIMINAL CHARGES ARE FILED OR NOT. THE FAMILY MIGHT NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND FORCE SOME ACTION THESE OFFICERS MAY JUST GO TO OTHER POLICE DEPTS. WHAT ARE ALL THERE NAMES?????

ltpar, what is ment by “heroism under fire”? as a rookie he approached a car and somebody shot him multiple times. what was the heroic act? did he then crawl forward rescuing his brothers in blue from criminals? did he then save a cat from a burning building? did he stand up to janet reno? where does the heroism come in?
at the time he was shot it appears from the story that he was simply doing a paid job, and not well enough you could argue. i am sorry he lost an eye. perhaps it will be discovered he lost more than just the eye.
i place being a cop as one of the critical to society jobs. there are 3 i recognize: a cop, he has a badge and a gun, i want him to be steady in mind and demeanor. a kindergarten through third grade teacher, they have young minds to protect. a surgeon, he has someones brain or heart in his hands. i dont want any of these three to be working when they arent fit and at their peak.
and really, cleared by the state and the city doc? hmmmm. rubberstamped? favors?

geeeminee, we are sharing opinions and thoughts, maybe a bit of bashing here. we understand what is being said. call it comunication. so what is it with all the 3rd grade corrections? grammer, spelling, punctuation. are we trying out for an editor position? this is the worldwideweb, things change. i for one cant be bothered with lookin up words and putting the flippin lil ‘ dodad in contractions. makes me sound undereducated? so what? i don’t wanna be the dean, im not learning anybody to apply written english so they can avoid red ink.
i think some folks just come to critisise.

to ltpar!!
tthis is one of the things i read in the 8th year of my 15 years in the 3rd grade written by a quirky german guy who thought he was polish royalty about 100+ yeas ago

“Whoever battles with monsters had better see that it does not turn him into a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
do you get it? that is why i am against career sworn officers. nietzsche’s got a whole bunch that apply to todays topic heres another one

“Madness is rare in individuals – but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule”

does this last one ring a bell?

and for all you ‘cop’ guys out there
“No one lies so boldly as the man who is indignant”

a person would think that with the free flow of information on the internet there we wouldnt even consider 90% of the jokers who we elect to watch over us.

as capt. redlegs terrill replied to the statement “we get josey wales and it ends”
“doin right aint got no end”
and yes most dont know about the system. to serve and protect dosent have anything to do with the people, it has to do with the law.

smart not to give your name. they do try to get even. still it is human nature.
oh, and remember there must be a record of who made the initial request, better destroy it, and have a talk with anyone who knows you did it too!

truth :
Brother….I have the utmost respect for your service in the civil and military sectors. But, and you knew as a reply there would be one, as your experiences as a police officer have shown lambasting those involved in a dynamic situation without having been there….ref: heresay…you should at least reserve inflamatory public comment until investigations are complete and evidence revealed. I admire and support your vigilance as this is a noble and common sense thing to do, but do we know the facts? Was Mr. Thomas resisting? Were other officers injured? Did Mr. Thomas attempt to take officers weapons? What was the mind set of each officer involved and why did they use the particular type of force they did? TRAGIC INCIDENT? Whithout any doubt!! but to date i have not seen or heard any of the officers brag or even comment on what occurred. As you know, in custody deaths occur for any number of reasons. We should be focused on following the investigation and assuring that the truth comes out. I do know these officers personally. If it comes out that they were wrong in what they did, they will pay for it. Just as I would or you would if we did something wrong. I ask you sir, put yourself in their shoes or the shoes of a family member…would you want to be found guilty in the court of public perception and prosecuted as such before your rights were even considered. For ALL involved, Mr. Thomas and the officers….let’s be vigilant and responsible in our comments and not fan the flames as many on this site are attempting…as you said it …we are men who answer a calling from GOD and we do what we do because someone has to….let’s apply that here and keep this one from becoming more tragic…..because someone has to.

I have been trying to put my thoughts into words regarding this situation. Thank you for your words.

Just more LE propaganda. Murders like this take place all the time at the hands of LE agents, but little is released to the public. The reason Kelly’s murder has upset so many citizens is because it was seen by a lot of onlookers and they know that the FPD acted like animals.

In my city of HB, on August 25th, 2006 two cops gunned down a 5’2″ 120lb teenage in the middle of a park. They put 15 bullits into Ashley MacDonalds body, five into her back as she lay on the ground. The DA was going to do an investigation into whether the murder was justified. As the HBPD changed their story mutiple times it all came down to the two cowardly cops falsely claiming that they were in fear for their lives from this little girl and the DA claiming that the killers followed HBPD policy.

I am hoping this murder turns out differently, but I can tell everyone on here for a fact no LE officer has ever been charged with a crime for killing a citizen in the OC while on duty under the reign of T-Rack the DA.

Faithful4thetruth :
Amen 967746
I can’t believe the hate I have been reading on this site.
I have lost all respect for the owner of this site for allowing such hate and threats against this family.
Why can’t we wait for the truth to come out before we decide someone is guilty? Why is there only one name out of six out there?
Kelly should still be alive. But until all the facts come out, I refuse to set judgement on any one person.
One day these people who have posted such hateful things will regret what they have said. They will realize they are part of the problem. Hate feeds on hate.

@Amen 967746:
There’s video evidence, including video and audio of eyewitnesses who gave a detailed account of the GANG MURDER immediately after they witnessed it.
The only complaint that LEO claims to have been investigating was a possible ID on a person who has been breaking into cars in that area.
The only other complaint that LEO has claimed, is that Kelly initially ran from them.
ALL Eyewitness accounts have confirmed the FACT that Kelly was NOT wielding a weapon and not in a position to pose danger to the murderers.
They ALL state that Kelly Thomas was NOT fighting back.
You stare at that photo of Kelly’s injured face, long and hard; Then give me a logical explanation that justifies that disgusting beating.

Fullerton cops are nothing but a bunch of FUCKEN DIRTY,SCUMBAG,RACIST,WHITE,CORRUPTED,STUPID PIGS… I HOPE THAT RETARDED ONE EYED PIRATE COP GOES TOO PRISON AND ESPECIALLY THAT NO GOOD BLACK NIGGER PIG PIECE OF SHIT HAMPTON…HE PROBABLY GOT HIRED BECAUSE OF HIS DIRTY ASHEEE SKIN…

Mr. Cicinelli…you are a bully. The other officers with you are also bullies. It never ceases to amaze me that you give a person a badge, a gun, and they think they have the power of God…to take a life because they are a cop. I know there are a lot of good cops out there who join for the right reason. I salute you. But to the bully cops…shame on you. I would guess you were either a bully in school or you were bullied and now you are getting even…because you now wear a badge. I hope you have fun in prison because I hear those boys “love” cops. I feel for your families. But you probably bullied them too.

Cicinelli was a former Marine. As a former marine I took an oath to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. Cicinelli forgot that oath, you join the Marines to protect those that cannot protect themselves….. Cicinelli beat a man to death that was the least helpless in our society. I turn my back to Cicinelli and would rip the stripes off his uniform if I could.

Lisa Sosad :
Jay Cicinelli not only lost his eye in the shooting but he also lost his penis. Two bullets had struck his penis damaging it so bad it to be amputated. Now we all know why he is so pissed off all the time!

I was pulled over for no reason by this son of a bitch one eye murderer and told me to shut up or I will be arrested and very strange when he corrected me and
wanted to say police officer sir when addressing him.

This guy was full of hate and evil

for the other 5 cops that killed Kelly Thomas
there is no excuse for what you did. You should all be tazed and kicked in the face to death

I believe you. The police dept insider stated on the John & Ken show that Jay bragged in the locker room, after the incident, about how he “gave it to that guy good” or words to that effect. You can hear the exact words in the 8/2 show archives at KFIam640 (dot) com

I know there was a black cop that was beating Kelly Thomas with the butt of his flashlight, while being tazed the whole time, another cop weighing over 240 pounds jumped and landed with his knees on Kelly Thomas’s face breaking his nose repeatedly. Keep in mind Kelly Thomas was hog tied during this killing.

Also Kelly Thomas did not burglarize any cars.
This is the police’s defense they are trying to stick to for the defense.

No Erik, the Marines do not create killers… they create riflemen that go to war so you can post stupidity on the internet. What have you done in your life to better society? Being a troll on the net does not count.

On that day you will say to yourself…Oh shit, I forgot I have my own eyes and ears on this here dogface of mine. Can you not formulate a belief or opinion for yourself? You and other pathetic people like you are so programmed. “Come on now…let’s reserve judgment.” What conceivable justification is there for what we plainly see?

yeah great guy-wonder if you are “great” like this too- do you taze small scared little homeless, mentally ill guys over and over, drop knee kick them twice until their throats are crushed, and while hes begging for mercy and calling out for his daddy, pound their heads into the cement then while theyre unconcious do you, mr wonderful who has great friends-finish them off with the butt of your tazer gun by cracking their skulls open? yeah thats what your “great” fat butterbean BFF did-arent you proud of him now?

You know…if Kelly had been black….we would have heard about this July 5th. It doesn’t matter the color of one’s skin…this should have been taken care of July 6th. The cops watched the videos long before the press got the story. How can they sleep at night?

My question to you is if in fact the officer isn’t at fault, why has a month past with no evidence of a tape? Justice will be served, and the community will see to it that the officers will stand trial, and push for jail time! The bottom line is the officers beat this homeless guy dead, that in itself is excessive! I personally would like to see the Mayor let go of his duties, as well as a complete overhaul of the FPD! This is 1000 times worst than the Rodney King beating! I come from a family of law enforcement, and for years cops have been above the law, I think this case is going to put accountability on officers actions, and they’ll think twice about beating the life out of someone!

I am going to preface this statement by saying the following: I like everyone else, am not a perfect human being. I make mistakes- but I am quick to admit those mistakes, hopefully learn from them and continue life with some added humility and experience. Having said that, I live my life within a logical set of parameters such as: 2+2=4, if I jump out of a 15th floor window there is a law called gravity that will 99.999% of the time cause me to hit the ground at terminal velocity and die; also, the Sun will rise in the East and set in the West, I should avoid taking plugged in electrical appliances into the bathtub with me etc,etc etc. Rules to live by if you will. Absurd comments you might say but you will see where I am going with this shortly.

Some other facts that are pertinent here.
A normal person has a little less than 180 degrees field of vision if you factor in peripheral vision. You would therefore by subtraction deduce that a person with one eye has about 90 degree field of vision- but it is even less than this because two eyes working together also provide depth perception that you lose with one eye.
There is a reason why fighter pilots have two eyes and it is as obvious as 2+2. There is a reason why race horses have 4 legs and not 3. its as obvious as gravity. There is a reason why cops absolutely need two eyes that is as obvious as any physical law and absolutely critical to the safety and welfare of others.
I can already hear you saying-”It’s not eyesight that caused the death here” you are right. It is faulty decision making. If common sense, 2+2, logic and reason, pluses and minuses were followed, officer X would have remained medically retired and Kelly would probably still be alive. Allow me to further elaborate.
When I worked, police agencies scrutinized you with a fine tooth comb prior to hiring you-physically, mentally, financially, relationships,emotionally etc etc etc. Relatively minor physical defects or injuries and you were not getting hired. I had a friend who was a former Navy Seal-we were trying like hell to get him hired- physically of course top of the line-all the attributes you want- I knew he would transition right in. The psychologist said no-that he was overtrained and would be too quick to pull the trigger and he was out-just like that. I knew the guy and I knew that was not the case- but my personal feelings were trumped by the process. And folks it is that way for a reason.
When you take Police Department hiring policies and standards and turn them into a “Make A Wish Foundation” charity so that some cop at another agency whose career was unfortunately cut short so that he can continue to “live his dream” of being a cop and make your department a dumping ground for other agencies rejects you have set yourself on a collision course with tragedy.
Ironically, Fullerton dodged the bullet for 15 or so years. I say ironically because I can think of countless ways this COULD have gone sideways-not only for Fullerton P.D. but for an unsuspecting neighboring agency when this handicapped cop was sent in on mutual aid. Football is a game of inches- Police work is a game of milliseconds that involves SEEING a threat, reacting properly to the threat and neutralizing the threat. If you miss step one and don’t see the threat, steps 2 and 3 don’t apply and people die. Of course if it’s just you-the handicapped one who is living out his dream of being a cop that dies- you died doing what you loved etc, etc. But it seems like it never plays out that way- it plays out something like this: A bar disturbance where our one eyed officer and officer Smith suddenly find themselves surrounded by a large crowd who all have various issues with the Police. The two officers circle the wagons in the classic back to back to provide a almost 360 degree field of vision-oops its really only a 270 degree because the cop who is living his dream is missing that critical 90 degrees. You guessed it- the 9 millimeter pops up in that missing 90 degrees, the shot is fired,officer Smith’s brains are blown out-he leaves behind a wife, three kids and a mother with Alzheimer’s disease. Officer Make A wish HEARS the shot ,returns fire,kills the suspect and just to complete the Disney Movie script that he is living out-He receives the medal of Valor. By the way, officer smith could have been me in a mutual aid scenario-I would have never known my follow up only had one eye.My wife would have become the proud owner of the City of Fullerton.
Or how about this scenario- Officer Make a Wish is responding to an assistance call in a residential neighborhood. He’s driving a little faster than the posted 25 MPH. Little Billy Johnson suddenly comes into that missing 90 degree field of vision on his bicycle and the inevitable happens- his parents would basically now own the City of Fullerton for their negligent hiring and retention practices after they buried their son. The liability assumed in the hiring of this individual for his vision handicap alone was astronomical- but then again McKinley wasn’t gambling with his money- he was gambling with ours-the taxpayers money. His cronyism for his old LAPD pals and his ego was more important than the citizens of Fullerton.
Whether or not the officer in question (name already revealed on KTTV news so don’t threaten me with lible) suffered other mental or emotional damage as a result of his incident is unknown but may prove to be a valuable defense strategy if it gets to that level. That will leave the City of Fullerton holding the bag for what will be a staggering wrongful death payout. Don’t you feel good about your “compassion” now ex-Chief McKinley. You chose to play the fairy godmother and grant this dude his wish-are you losing sleep about this like me and other citizens? It seems like nobody is more horrified about this than soldiers who have done combat duty in Iraq or Afghanistan. My son is a US Army Sergeant/Ranger- grew up here. Wounded in Afghanistan. Called me from his duty post and told me he is embarassed to answer questions from the other soldiers about this travesty. This is not in the Warriors vernacular- they THE TRUE HEROES- defend the defenseless like Kelly. “The bottom line here is if common sense, logic and sound hiring practices were used (90+90=180;;90+0=90) this individual never gets hired and tragedy may have been avoided.
My heart goes out to the rank and file at FPD who are ethical honest and deplore this travesty. If you were involved in the hiring process of this individual I hope you noted your concerns because I am sure you were over-ridden by the Chiefs office.
Then to sit in the City Council meeting and see McKinley sitting there like an uninvolved observer while Sellers gets crucified made me sick. The question is- how many other LA rejects were hired here as favors to old friends?
I’d be surprised if a Grand Jury isn’t looking at this as we speak. This is international- my relatives in Germany called me about it. The tidal wave that is going to hit FPD is staggering. This is going to be an open wound for a long time- a scar forever.
And save your replies about withholding judgment until all the facts are in-there are enough facts right now (a death at the hands of others, video, spontaneous statements on video by witnesses, an ominous silence by FPD) in front of the public to make a probable cause arrest- like Ron Thomas said a citizen’s ass would be in a dark cell right now. Had to dump it all here after a mostly sleepless night of playing this in my head, sorry if I went long with it and is my humble opinion offered as a father and retired cop who is revolted by this.

former cop. sorry about your friend the seal. i was a machinist squid and have personally known a few seals myself including my cousin and heartily agree with your assesment of the psych test. there is not a more highly trained and heres the keyword DISCIPLINED united states citizen walking the earth. that is tragic

i do think you spent too much time on cicenelli being a liablity. i hope this is whole incident does not fall squarely on that one officers shoulders. obviously there needs to be accountability at least from the other five and management was either complicit or incompetent. take your choice fired for one or jailed for the other.

this is completely off topic but wanted to let you know – daughter (20 yoa) came up to me after I came home from who-gives-a-stan and said she wanted to be an Army engineer because she wanted to do construction work. I had a lot of contact with SeaBees over there and said “In the first place, you will NOT join the army. In the second, it sounds like you really want to be a Seabee.” So she looked it up, and said that was exactly what she wanted. So she got in touch with the Navy and has her heart set on the SeaBees when she graduates. Im very proud of her and have a lot of respect for the squids. Very proud service. Catch you later.

corrupt :
No Erik, the Marines do not create killers… they create riflemen that go to war so you can post stupidity on the internet. What have you done in your life to better society? Being a troll on the net does not count.

Sick of milltary men claiming to defend there countrys freedom. Do you honestly think the current wars are anything to do with freedom? I find milltary men to be either really decent, or really nasty. (Just from personal experence.)

A lot of soliders join cause they want to do there duty for there country, but they are really tools of the milltary industrial complex. America gains no benfit from fighting wars abroad.

These cops may or may not be guilty. If they are, i hope they are punished to the full extent of the law. I will reserve judgement for now. I’ve learned two things in my long police career. Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear.

well deputy #330 unless its a police officer that tells you that the suspect confessed and he alone witnessed the trangression , tell us deputy how many times hv you looked the other way and im sorry to say this but kelly thomas dad was a deputy i wonder if he ever reported the rouge cop , the lying cop the dishonest cop. how bout you deputy #330 hv you the courage to correct a wrong that hv you witness your fellow officer mk.

..so, if LAPD can no longer use the services of Cicinelli, due to the lack of 20/20 vision…what in this world was McKinley doing when he hired him for the FPD??????..If someone else doesn’t want him, why do the Fullerton “TAXPAYERS” get stuck with him???? McKinley, you hired him, me thinks you need to p0ay his way, cause I don’t feel beholden!!!!

I like how they say things escalated… If police were’nt violating our rights and searching our stuff without warrants, this may never happen, instead this country has evolved into a dark age, and although the city may state that they are concerned, at the end of the day… Orange county is KNOWN for its brutal and physically violent police. So what… they’re gonna get these guys for what they did… makeing 6 new vacancies for 6 new crooked cops and countless more victims of thier ‘absolute power’.

I think you all need to wait and see what the investigation reveals. The public is right to make thier voices heard and ensure the Police Department, The City Council and the DA follow the rules and conduct a fair and very detailed investigation. Name calling and baseless comments just prove ignorance. Although a PD is a brotherhood, if something is wrong or if an Officer does something wrong, good men and women will step forward and do the right thing. You as citizens should give those good people a chance to do the right thing.

well if these so called “good men and women” of the FPD would just stop covering and acting like a bunch of yellow bellied cowards and say something that we citizens can hear, we would be happy to “give them a chance” for now everyone within FPD is guilty of being an accessory as far as im concerned

I remember whn I was rookie deput. Like a lot of Sheriffs departments, everyone in ours started in the jail. You worked your way out on the street. The average time was two years.
Being a jail deputy (particularly in a major urban area) is not a sought after job. For young guys dying to get out on the street it was torture. But the only way through it was through it, so we worked our asses off and waited our turn.
But it is a great place to see and hear everything. Since the day I got out on patrol to this day wit Afghanistan behind me, I have seen nothing truly shocking since my jail time. It was truly the best training experience of my life.
But the lesson I learned that was most transformative didn’t come to fruition until years later.
We heard it over and over – ‘Poh-leese broootality!!!” “Got – Damn crooked cops stole mah munny!!” “Ya’ll be sellin’ that dope you confuhskate!!” “Cops iz da biggest gang in town!!!” “Cops set up my cousin and killed his ass!!!” “So and so wasn’t doing nothing and tey beat his ass!!”
And like everybody else we called it all bullshit. Of course they are gonna say the cops took their money and their dope and kept it/sold it. Thats what THEY would do, so its just projection. They can’t imagine somebody living an honest life. Not knowing how to live pieces of shit is what they are. Sell it to the public defender and get in the cell, scumbag.
Eventually the blessed day came. I got out and spent years on the street, and I always marvelled at the phenomenon -it never gets old to scumbags. The same accusations, the same stories of crooked cops wantonly beating people, stealing their dope and money, maneuvering big players against each other for money and business advantage. Its all such obvious, self justifying bullshit, but it never gets old. Do THEY even believe it?
I knew on 9-11 I was going back in the Army. I didn’t want to, and ignored the truth for a couple of years. But years were rolling by, and finally the day came I knew it was now or never, and I couldnt stop thinking about it. So I went back in and have been there ever since.
My closest friend stayed and is one hell of a shit hot detective now. Best cop, best man, best human being I know. We still talk frequently.
When it all went down and he told me the story, it really helped complete an awakening that had begun soon after I left the department.
Over 50 federal charges on at least 10 officers. Not rookies either. And not low profile – names that were spoken with reverence in cop circles. Some of them people we only knew as names – they were that big – normal slicksleeves never even saw these guys.
It seems that for the last two decades these high profile detectives and narcotics cops along with uniform patrolmen (one of whom I remembered from the academy) had been stealingdope, extorting drug money, and playing dealers off against one another, among other various and sundry charges. They were implicated in murders by omission, and were responsible for trafficking incredible amounts of coke and weed into the region.
Everybody in police work knows there is no honor among thieves, and it is no different when those thieves are cops. Everybody was rolling on everybody in the hope they would get out of prison someday, but even the people getting deals weren’t getting much better than a looooooong time. Reading between the lines, it looked as though everybody small had already got the juicy deals and rolled it up to these big players before the grand juries even convened. The prosecutors weren’t in a dealing mood anymore – they didn’t have to be.
When he told me the story, especially the names I was stunned. I said to him, “brother, do you remember when w were young, wet behind the ears young deputies dying for our chance to go out and do battle with evil, all those scumbags telling us stories about corruption and violence and we told them how full of shit they were? How does it make you feel to know we were the ones full of shit?”
He said, “it makes me feel like watching them go to prison forever. Which, fortunately, is exactly where they are going.”
Now I sit here reading comments from serving police officers about how this poor miserable guy getting beaten to death by six cops is not worth all this outrage because he was just some homeless pos that was no good to anybody anyway and these guys are really heroes for their service and all you crybabies making such a big deal out of this should just go away. Oh, and don’t call us when you need help – if you are gonna get all bent out of shape when we beat some defenseless loser to death well fuck you and fuck our oaths.
Good cops should be calling that bullshit out. Not lecturing the rest of us about “patience” and “putting ourselves in those cops shoes” when their brother officers are making posts on this site announcing to the world that they believe they have the right to decide who deserves to live – that they have the right to decide who has rights worth respecting.
I only had to say it once to my guys in Afghanistan – respecting the civilian population, any of whom could have been (and some of whom certainly were) Taliban that were killing and maiming us with ied’s and shooting at us regularly – “you don’t have to like these people. I don’t like these people. But unless they are bringing war to us or we can see they are about to, you will NOT abuse them. That is the best recruiting tool the Taliban could ask for.”
That made sense to 18 year olds under enormous pressure, who were seeing their buddies killed and maimed at least weekly. You are grown police officers, in your own country, dealing with your own neighbors.
Maybe they should start issuing moral compasses. FOP could make it a contract issue.

You must have been a criminal…getting arrested… or doing something you should not have been doing. Right? Police officers don’t have to be NICE to jerks and law breakers. They’re people too, and get tired of people like you who feel entitled to the things and freedoms others have earned for you, and you continue to infringe on other citizens’ rights.

All these murderous pigs deserve more than just jail time, they are killers with badges and guns and think they are the shit!!! Pieces of shit are more like it….. I thought LAPD was bad, let not forget the Rampart Division coorruction, however I will give them credit on one thing,,,,they knew better that to let this one eyed bastard back into their division, too bad Fullerton did not have the same sense!!! Rot in Hell you pricks!!!

Mike for President—I just read a comment on another blog about a man who lived in fullerton no too long ago, stated the FPD wanted to search his car because he looked like a criminal-The poster said fine, because he states he had nothing to hide-well he said they rumage thru his car good-opening paint cans and dumping everything he had in the car in the parking lot, when they wre done and found nothing, they left everything dumped in the parking lot, paint cans uncovered, vehicle completely trashed for no reason and took off

alex this was unnecesary
“Sick of milltary men claiming to defend there countrys freedom. Do you honestly think the current wars are anything to do with freedom?”

not too many of us do but the thread isnt about the wars

“I find milltary men to be either really decent, or really nasty. (Just from personal experence.)”
fair enough but if you have payng attention it’s the ex-military and current military people that are writing the most thoughtful and eloquent posts sans me and my third grade education

“A lot of soliders join cause they want to do there duty for there country, but they are really tools of the milltary industrial complex. America gains no benfit from fighting wars abroad.”
a lot? how about every one of us who joined of our own accord and not because jail was the other option joined for love of country. in addition it seems to me that soldiers are the only ones who get the ‘terrorism’ issue. ex-cop nailed it on the head when he said even 18 year old kids get that treating every guy who wears a towel for a baseball cap like a terrorist only makes more terrorists. watch fantasia sometime and pay attention to how an idiot with an axe solves his problems

Another great post bro- add to this the 5 New Orleans cops convicted yesterday for 2 murders and a coverup.
And a quote to all of our friends with a “wait for the investigation to finish before forming an opinion” attitude. I have asked the blog post to post it on their homepage:

“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent. IT IS FORCE. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master”
George Washington

We had better keep our own flame burning under them. The Founding Fathers highly recommended it.

Thanks bro and right on with the quote. Ya know, while are talking about “waiting for God to speak on the topic” andyour qote from Georgus Maximus, what we are doing is as responsible and constitutionally sound as it gets. The people are peaceably assembling (that we are doing it online just shows the timelessness ofthe original document) an petitioning for redress of grievances. No burning, no looting, no open rebellion in the streets. Just demanding the system do its job.
Those that would complain about our actions here seem to miss the irony – they are paid to uphold the constitution. Their failure to protect the rights of the public is exactly why we are exercising ours.
The are complaining about us keeping our part of the bargain.
Stay safe, my brother.

camille. it is up to you either way but can you imagine what their children are feeling? their whole lives are being torn up as we sit here and debate this huge issue. they are innocents and deserve positive thoughts. life will be very different for all officers families.
kelley thomas is not here to debate this issue which is why we are doing it for him. please try not to let anger drown out compassion. we can and should do right by the thomas family and ourselves by not developing a lynchmob mentality. does anyone really need me to start quoting nietzsche?

what sdlocal is trying to say is this…if you dont speak the queens english and attend a protestant church then you have no right to voice an opinion. sdlocal has a real crappy and unamerican attitude

please everyone express your outrage over the taking of kelley thomas’ life. use any language or broken language you speak. we will try to get your opinions interpreted if you write to us even if its in latin or gaelic. post it just please leave out the threats of violence
remember that a bluter is a shoe used for boating

i dont have any problems with the true followers of christianity. i’ll break it down like this…if the guy at the pulpit owns more than one suit, he’s a fraud and so are you. if the guy at the pulpit believes there are times to kill or make war, he’s a fraud. if the guy in the pulpit suggests you vote for anyone that would lead us down a path of war, he’s a fraud. when churches and their flocks help elect people who intentionally break any of the ten commandments, he’s a fraud. if a guy is on tv and asking for money for their church, you got it! FRAUD! if a church looks the other way while its memebrs diddle little children or force 12 year old girls to suck a di$k, they are all frauds. at least the catholics are consistent on not taking lives. evangelicals are the ones that perplex me the most. i feel i have rapturitis from tese jokers which is different than rupturitis(your best friend pointing behind you then slapping you in the nuts)
so i guess my problem isnt with the real christians its with the institutions and their apologists that CLAIM to be christian.
also i dont want some poor lost soul knocking on my door at 10am on a saturday morning trying to sell me salvation. it’s akin to the hard sell from the vacuum salesmen of yesteryear and the product isnt nearly as good. if the product was so good you wouldnt have to market it and/or print up bumper tickers to sell it.

up untill a few years ago i wasnt bothered by the way the world worked. my second awakening was when the douc*e nozzle ann coulter said i needed to be perfected. f her and f u.

so i guess kiddy diddling aside i like the catholics the best because they are the least hypocritical.

the cops that beat kelley thomas past the point of conciousness werent Jewish or even Islamic. you can guess what sect they claim cant you?
they beat him because to them he was just a bum. as i stated in an earlier post kelley sort of looked like jesus but i guess when your preacher dresses like ron burgundy from the anchor man even guys who look like your savior are not worthy of life

Scotty- This thing is disturbing at many levels and I don’t want to take focus off the main issue which is obviously Kelly Thomas. Having said that, I was trying to address the roots of this thing which once again have resulted from f’d up decision making at high organizational levels. Thanks for your service and best regards.

STAND UP- When someone defends you from an elitist snob (sdlocal) like Scotty just did, don’t come back at him with your veiled hint that what he said is somehow bigoted or racial. Just thank him and then you and sdlocal both do us a favor and exit from this blog that involves discussion of the most critical event that Fullerton may ever face. We don’t have time for your immature behavior.

Hey anonymous, why don’t you go on local TV with your uniform and say in public that you will not responde to calls unless the people calling like you. Let’s see how that goes down. Fair warning, if you loose your job as a result what will you do? Think hard because your choices maybe very limited as it sounds you were lucky to even make it as cop

There is nothing wrong with feeling “entitled” to freedom, since freedom IS an entitlement in this country. And I don’t care what laws are broken, nobody deserves to be BEATEN TO DEATH by six arrogant, jack-booted cowards.

You make the odd assumption that there are good and bad cops…where did you get that idea? It’s like any other job…everyone covers their own ass. You spent at least a whole page trying to justify it….so I know there is no difference between the two. I do you give you credit enough for convincing me to post this.

If YOU were following the story, you’d know that he said he would give some of the cash to the sister and brother and use the rest for a homeless foundation of some sort. Interesting in that the one homeless person he knew was his son and he wrote him off a long time ago.

A high ranking cop? He’s a corporal, dickhead. One rank above a patrol officer. I thought you guys have been saying all of them took turns beating him? You’ve all been saying it took “6 cops to restrain a 135 pound homeless man.” Was it just one doing the damage or all 6? Get your shit together.

@# 42 iL>A PD has an officer that has that kind of vision impairment my be they LAPD. LA Co Sheriffs should be investigated.why did they reject cicinelli if they allowed one eyed vision impaired? Or something else?

@#57 & # 58 reports say the call to get kell from there line of site with a bogus call about car break-ins came from the cop hang out SLIDE BAR!! nice going dicks at slide bar well he is never going to be a problem for you anymore i hope you and your pathetic alcoholics go down also

We will never forget you. That is a promise! The days of police like you harassing innocent people are OVER. Confused? Think about what you have done to innocent people or people breaking into cars and who you let go. THEN KILL YOURSELF

No, sorry. No Marine calls himself a ‘former Marine’. I have caught many people lying about this to induce credibility in an argument. Do you know what ‘Semper Fi’ means? It is protocol that NO Marine, retired or not, to EVER refer to themselves as a ‘former Marine’. You are doing yourself (if, in fact, you ever served) and every other REAL Marine a disservice and disrespect by breaking a cardinal code of conduct and pride. As a matter of fact, even if you HAD served in the Marines, you never were to begin with! You should be ashamed and your record should reflect a dishonorable conduct discharge!

I will pray for you… that things are really, really bad for you today. That things get worse. That life falls apart for you. Finally, that you are shocked into a bit of reality, and that when you call for help, that no-one on the police department responds to your call for assistance. It is apparent that you live in a world of delusions. Take your medicine and go back to bed. The police did nothing wrong. A criminal died – sad, but that’s the criminal life. The truth will come out, and you will have to take more medicine to calm your unbelieving nerves because the police will NOT be found guilty, and your mind will automatically switch to, “the EVINDENCE was TAMPERED….” There’s no win for you, just like the story for this criminal.

Nothing that I stated is incorrect. Omitting Thomas’ name is the only thing I missed. As for the police officers, they are the only ones out there fighting crime as they are CALLED upon by common citizens. BTW, aren’t you one of the two slumlord brothers who run this blog, and are ticked off because the Police Department keeps citing you? Is that the problem you have with them?

wiserthanyoufools :
Nothing that I stated is incorrect. Omitting Thomas’ name is the only thing I missed. As for the police officers, they are the only ones out there fighting crime as they are CALLED upon by common citizens. BTW, aren’t you one of the two slumlord brothers who run this blog, and are ticked off because the Police Department keeps citing you? Is that the problem you have with them?

STAY FOCUSED COWARD

just another pathetic coward in a sea of 6+ Billion cowards afraid to stand up and LOVE

The Fullerton Police Department murdered a homeless man and tried to cover it up. IN REALITY

THE WHOLE CITY OF FULLERTON CALIFORNIA tried to cover it up and are still trying..

May the cops who did this rot in hell and their superiors fired for the alleged cover up. Criminal or not, there is no justification for continuing to beat a man once he is reportedly downed, cuffed and or not resisting. Mob mentaility took over and there was a murder. Sadly, it (police brutality/abuse of authority/racial profiling) happens everyday unchecked. Why? Because we allow them to monitor themselves and to tell us whether THEY think they have broken the law or violated your rights. Interesting. Police departments allowed to police themselves….and we wonder why the Blue Wall is so effective. We need a fundamental change nationwide on how we ALLOW them to conduct themselves. After all, they work for us. Lastly, not every police officer as a hero. I have noticed that primarily it is the cops themselves calling themselves heros. Isn’t there some unwritten law or rule about that? Please remove yourselves from the pedestals you’ve clearly placed yourselves on and look at reality. No one else thinks that highly of you but you.

I think the photo of this homeless bum wasn’t that bad. He had blood incrusted hair and beard, a swollen nose and black eyes, BFD. It’s going to come back that there were no injuries caused by the cops that killed him. He was probably a methed out crackhead and that’s what killed him. But all the cop haters won’t believe it and will carry on with their BS.

People are so quick to judge based on youtube videos and the news/media. Wait for the trial. Due process. Everyone deserves it. Yes it looks bad, don’t get me wrong. But why did it happen? How can this sort of thing be avoided in the future? Keep in mind Jay has served his country, he almost died in the line of duty and lost his eye. This bit about he bragged in the locker room is heresay and gossip. I could claim that I heard the homeless guy say he was going to set up the police and it spreads all over the media. Wait for the facts. Don’t be spoon fed information by the media.

Thats funny but when Anonymous hacked HBGary federal I do believe we found out they were indeed spying on citizens and using disinformation campaigns. Im not as certain it would really be a local issue but its quite obvious the local police are corrupt as hell in Fullerton.

The Constitution of the United States gave us the right to bear arms to stop this very insanity that is happening with the out of control police state and the corrupt political leadership. The Constitution does not recognize any of the 3 branches of government as the ultimate authority of this country. It recognizes “We the People” as the ultimate authority. If any of the three branches will not obey the people then it is by obligation and duty that they be removed from power by force if necessary.

Anonymous will be able to tell if the tape is real or altered. Quite frankly, I’m amazed that it hasn’t been hacked yet. They may be worried that the Judge would make it inadmissible if they hacked it out of their systems.

The Marines create soldiers of the United States of America. Do they kill, hell yes they kill and business is good….and that’s what they are trained for. I don’t want no wimpy Marines fighting on the front line to defend me and my freedoms! You may not agree with the wars we are fighting now but take that mess out on stupid politicians, not our soldiers.

And what if you don’t have any faith in the force or the judicial system any longer? I have seen to many Police get away with obvious murders in my lifetime. The blue code of silence and the thin blue line has made me loss all faith in the judicial system.

ricky! you could claim kelly thomas set up the police but we all know he didnt so go ahead.
now let me tell you something. the next time the police go on a bloodlust frenzy the chances are they ARE going to be set up. heck i have even theorized about a set up that involves officers leaving bars under the influence of alcohol. most of the jailers hang out at the orange block. i would say the chances are pretty good for a lawsuit if you happen to get ‘rear ended’ by one of these jokers when they leave bleep-faced at 2 in the morning. just make sure you have someone there to record any impropriety but the stinking drunken cop or better yet?????????maybe one of his buddies decides to give drunk cop a free pass you protest take the bating then collect 20 million dollars. this works at all bars where cops hang out and get drunk.
a method such as the one above has been used by concerned citzens on the east coast for at least 15 years and has netted over 100 million dollars in libel lawsuits. hit the bastards were it hurts, in the pocketbook.

if you have a cop neigbor and he yells at his girlfriend/wife, call in a domestic disturbance. make sure you call chp. make sure to tell the chp that the local police didnt even show up. after all yelling is an act of violence, right? i could have sworn i heard the guy say he was going to shoot his woman. no big deal if i am mistaken,right? kind of like that clean tox screen of kellys.

if this makes all the ‘good’ cops uncomfortable…GOOD! that is the price you pay for running a dirty house.

Don’t know where you get your info, but you are wrong about the facts in this case. I am constantly amazed by what ppl post as facts and truth. There is no evidence to support an arrest of police at this time. There may be in the future when all of the facts are brought to light but as of now, again you are wrong. Facts don’t lie… ppl do!

Hey 298, go brother. I can’t believe I’m hearing some of this good stuff from Californians. I mean I’ve lived here almost 25 years, but still feel like I belong in my home state in a different day and age.

Dystopia does not begin to describe where this country is headed, FPD or not, they are just a symptom. Our country is out of control.

308 all of the “officers” involved in this murder are listed on several sites, including thier full names, addresses, phone numbers and other information including the value of thier houses, spouses etc…..

The sheer volume of actual unabridged eyewitness “testimony” and crime scene accounts is almost stagering. Notwithstanding the fact that video and audio is being shot while the crime is taking place.

“Orange County District Attorney Tony Rackauckas said Wednesday that Fullerton police Cpl. Jay Cicinelli was charged with one count each of involuntary manslaughter and excessive force.

“Police Officer Manuel Ramos was charged with one count each of second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter in the death of 37-year-old Kelly Thomas after a violent confrontation on July 5 with officers….”

I would love to read your fantastic, insightful response to the murder and manslaughter charges brought against these fine police officers. Kelly Thomas’s throat was crushed and head beaten in, “BFD”.
I’m with County Clerk. I admire police officers, but being a police officer doesn’t give one the right to commit murder.

How could Ramos and Cicinelli believe what they violently did was morally proper? Cops need community service training working with these vulnerable populations. This is how stigma lead to bullying. Poor Kelly Thomas should not have been murdered. I hope Ramos and Cicinelli are examples to law enforcement of what can go seriously wrong. Good officers should tell the public what is going on in Fullerton, Ca. Thank goodness for T. Rucklehaus announcement today!

Why isnt ANYONE pointing out that Kellys father got exactly what he deserved? EVERYONE knows about the corruption in the piece of shit Orange County Jail and the Orange County Sheriffs Department. They beat the FUCK outta people and cover up DAILY. So fuck you Ron, you bitch, FUCK YOU. RIP Kelly…

Every deputy is a pussy. Five or ten on one with weapons is pussy shit. A man, answer this to yourself, you ever witness a deputy abuse an inmate for whatever trivial reason? If you didnt do anything about then your not only a pussy, your evil and a bad person…

Who needs thugs when you’ve got cops like this? Ramos and Cicinelli are the scum of society. I can’t believe there are people trying to convince us that they’re great guys who wanted to be cops to keep thugs off the streets. Sounds more like they wanted to be cops because they’re on a power trip. Having a gun and a ticket to go beat up people sure sounds like a great job.

I hope someone gives you keys that lead to you getting your face blown off.. you mate is a murderings scumbag and hes going to end up with a cock in his eye socket and a arsehole like a fucking circus clowns pocket you pig cunt!

I was on the jury that convicted the man who shot Jay Cicinelli. It was unbelieveable watching a man, who by all rights should have been dead after being shot 5 times with a 45 at point blank range, losing an eye in the process, get on the stand and testify! The prosecuting attorney even showed us the police star he had been wearing on his chest that had a big dent where one of the bullets had struck it. I felt so bad for Jay then, in this 20s and being injured so badly just as he was beginning his career as a police officer. I have often wondered what he ended up doing with his life. I was shocked and very sad to find out that he was one of the officers involved in this beating! It’s hard for me to imagine how someone, who has been through something as horrific as Jay has, could be an effective police officer. How could you see criminals every day and not think about the one that tried to kill you? I’m not trying to make excuses for what has been done to Kelly Thomas, just giving my opinion about why I think Jay Cicinelli should have gone into a different profession.

Livin Good- Looks like you were the one who had your facts screwed up… I’m not gonna rub your nose in it now that 2 cops are charged, but in the future- for your own survival- you had darn well better start recognizing naked brutality and murder for what it is and not wait for the consensus to decide for you. Oh and facts- where are you going to get your facts- from the government/media complex? From Andrew Goodrich? From FPD? From the OC Register? That worked real well in this case didn’t it. Grow a backbone, don’t be a sheeple and blindly follow everyone else into the slaughterhouse- confront evil when it happens and destroy it- even if it costs you everything.

Searcher of truth: You obviously either didn’t read my post in its entirety or you lack reading comprehension ability. I stated early on that because of administrative cronyism and incompetence, common sense and hiring policies were violated in the hiring of this individual who ultimately beat an innocent man and contributed to his death. I was addressing the root issue of an organization that obviously developed an arrogant, self-serving style of managing that put it’s own ambitions above the good of the department and community.

This story is very much like what I had encountered while residing in Fullerton. I was arrested put in a cell and had my shoestrings taken away, asked if I was going to hang myself while four years sober for building a fence in my backyard. A couple of friends of the mayors were paying off some homeboys to try to run over me in the alley behind my 2 homes. What is more clever is that a few months earlier my 38 yr. old brother was also beaten to death and hung in Ventura County Jail by a vice sting next door to me in Fullerton. Unfortunately, they are going to get by with it because the man this and my brother were mentally challenged. And when I resided there I had problems with dieting and over the counter percogesics. However, I have been sober for 25 years from substances and 11 from alcohol. Regardless those old check marks on your record do not disappear and I could be the biggest Drug Sales person in OC as long as I kept it quiet and ran for office I would be popular. That is the way life is. When your sober your boring and when your selling bricks and rock you can buy people. I’m sorry for your grief but OC is hell & if you ever have the chance to relocate you won’t have to keep up with the people who run that City. They do not even have the common sense to cover up their tracks when they lose control of their emotions. By the way I never participated in drug sales. I witnessed it when an up and coming woman lawyer was afflicted with chicken pox on her legs and arms but it wasn’t, it was meth sores. And Ms. Woods tenant a young teen told me where she scored. I am far from perfect but after owning three homes in that County with my ex husbands’ family I moved back to my parents house unwillingly and started over again. I was put in my deceased brother’s cell for punishment for a DUI a few years later and I never drank again. That was eleven years ago and I still am unemployed, and trying to work for myself, and this is embarrassing but all I have to say is revenge is the best cure. Those people will always have to look over their shoulder because I’m sure they stepped on more than a few people’s families. Kate O Kalin was a frequent flyer in my tenants backyard as the OJ trial was on at that time and I had a fence but they would not stay out of the tenants yard. The rotated bench at City Hall, access to a 6 million dollar computer in Santa Ana Fucked us all, there was no privacy and Bob Citron ran a real estate vice sting in our neighborhood. Sometimes information banks are wrong and many times friends and famaily that are 250-300 miles away get affected by what was intended for us. They will not even do one day in a County Facility. Trust me on this!

So, apperantly the US has to, in addition to overweight Mexicans, reqruit police officers among people who clearly suffer from Downs syndrom. This is clear to me due to a) Jay Cincinelli’s looks and b) Jay Cincinelli’s actions.

I am a Norwegian that have lived four years in the US, and it is becoming clearer and clearer to me why your country is in the shape it is as it consits of an overweight of fat and ignorant group of people that need wars to make the economically wheel keep on turning.

lmao..who cares lenny….we all know its him thats writing the nice things..i just wish hed have lost both eyes ..since hes a worthless pos anyway..lota help he provided..i thought officers were suppose to stop and RENDER aid..not beat a helpless man to death??m not understanding the backpack and mental illness issue…why is that even a discussion..its very clear on the video and his face that he was murdered..who cares about ANYTHING else after that point..he wasnt resisting..he was tryin to oblige the officer but the officer who was thinking about his 90th taco that day couldnt carry a single command to him…so…then when he puts on the gloves to tell kelly he is going to fuck him up..and snaps the latex gloves on…kelly did what every basic human instinct tells us to do..run for your life~~~ so then they continue to beat him to death..he was NOT resisting EVER ..he was fightn til the very last breath..which is EXACTLY what all of us would do..its scary to think how terribly wrong a simple call can go for a person due to the actions of rogue crazy demented fat azz rat bastards such as this

dipshit…they are human..but they are suppose to be TRAINED to deal with these issues..not committ murder with a badge..this guy posed no threat..i cant wait till he has to eat thru a straw and drink thru a straw when prisoners get thru with him~ that and only THAT will be justice