Sabrina is a strong-willed and brassy young woman who dreams of becoming a headliner for Rival Angels,a professional wrestling organization. Sabrina is a hard worker and committed to making her dream come true.
Sabrina is originally from Indianapolis, IN and attended Penn State University on a rugby scholarship before dropping out to pursue wrestling full-time.
Height: 5’7"
Weight: 135 lbs.
Hair: Blond
Eyes: Green
Hometown: Indianapolis, IN
Wrestling Style: High Flyer
Finishing Move: Ultrasplash (Corkscrew 450 Splash)

Chapter 15-Page-28-Taking the Lead

If you're new here, you may want to bookmark Rival Angels and/or subscribe to my RSS feed. Rival Angels updates every W and F. Thanks for visiting!

Yvonne is up and is looking to run out the clock! Brenda’s not having any of it, though and it’s going to be the most intense match in recent memory!

And next update, one of the biggest surprises ever in Rival Angels history and it doesn’t have anything to do with the World Championship! Happy Friday.

Schedule Break-Call for Fan Arts
Season 2 looks to end in the beginning of June and I’m going to take a few weeks off to get my comic buffer back up since it’s crazy low, before getting into Season 3! I’ll still be updating and if anyone wants to work on any Rival Angels fan arts, that would be a magnificent time to send them in so I can share them. on the site.

I ate to say but I also like 2 & 4 since I like seeing babyfaces get a beating before winning (like battles between heroes vs villains). But I also agree with Snow, COME ON CATGIRLS….. GET OUT THERE & BACK BRENDA UP!

GENIUS! SOLID GOLD! Normally, I disapprove of heel tactics, but this is a thing of beauty. And while it’s not done in a spirit of direct competition and besting your opponent decisively, it doesn’t look like she plans on breaking any actual rules.THIS is what elegance looks like. You watching this, De Sade? TAKE NOTES.

Looks like I’ll have to review and edit my Top 5 list on the forum tomorrow…

My inner heel could easily imagine a scenario with countouts… I could simply drag someone outside and brain them with a chair. Sure, I’ll take a couple of DQs myself, but my opponent would be down and a few minutes, in the process racking up countout falls for me in the double digits.

So, on the one hand, this “cheater” nonsense can stop any time now. Point to the actual rule Yvonne has violated thus far.

That said, I feel like there’s a couple of flaws in this plan. If Yvonne gets herself counted out, that’s a fall to Brenda and it’s honours even. Second, if one of the Dinks attacks Brenda, that’s a DQ, and again a fall to Brenda.

I don’t see the ref counting between 00:51 and 00:42. I think it’s safe to say that count-outs don’t matter here. Pinfall or submission only. A DQ might do it, but the DI girls don’t have to ATTACK Brenda to help Yvonne – they just have to block her path for a few seconds. It appears to be the perfect plan.

It also creates a great story justification to put the championship rematch inside a cage or cell of some variety.

See, even if this was Brenda’s story, I would expect Yvonne to win here. Possibly even more than I do right now. A bulletproof champion is boring. A story about a wrestler who never loses is a terrible story.

This is a well-executed heel strategy. Brenda overcoming the entire DI stable and picking up the win makes her even more John Cena than she already is.

Yvonne rolls out of the ring, and the ref starts the 20 count. At around 19, Yvonne rolls back in, but then rolls back out as seen a few times during SHIMMER weekend (and much to the poor ref’s chagrin). Yvonne could run out the clock rather efficiently this way.

But, Brenda sees Yvonne’s plan in a second. Brenda is a (forgive the simple term) hero and as such, won’t sit around and watch this happen. She’s going to take action and defend her title.

Yvonne has planned on Brenda following her out so she has Sun and Kyra come out to run interference. Don’t touch, just get in the way. Nikki would be there but her back is injured. You can’t see it here, and I’m hoping the print edition does it justice but Kyra is looking sidelong at Sun like a mack truck is about to run her over. Sun has her eyes mostly shut and is braced for the inevitable blow.

The Catgirls coming out really doesn’t help things. They can’t touch Yvonne either and what if an errant blow hit Yvonne? She’s up another point!

So now the contest comes down to whether or not Brenda can get Yvonne back in the ring and get a point to tie (or several points to win).

A DQ would result in a point for the other wrestler. I seem to recall a match like that where a wrestler used a chair on someone, got DQ’d and lost a point, but then went and covered the KO”d wrestler for a pin and point.
It might have been a wash but now that other wrestler was shaking off that chair headshot for the rest of the match.

First, she’s got to fetch a chair. Then, she’s got to lay out three women playing defense. Then, she’s got to chase down Yvonne, who, by this point, would be long gone. Not a sound strategy.

As for why that’s not a good idea… well, it seems like is, unless you get caught, in which case you’re probably going to be tired when you get dragged back to the ring and pasted twice in a row. Plus, most Iron Man/Woman matches aren’t scheduled because they’re tons of fun for all involved. The participants usually hate each other to a degree that they’re willing to spend sixty minutes beating the tar out of each other under those hot lights, when most stars struggle with twenty. Being able to pull off this kind of ruse, given the amount of history that has to be involved here, under these conditions? Yvonne is a machine.

BRENDA WILL PREVAIL!!! Sabrina shows her BABYFACE COLORS as she sneaks up from behind Yvonne & tosses her back into the ring then deals with her EX Friends & Cheaters, thus allows Brenda to TIE the match & WIN DUE TO DRAW. That way, Sabrina fueds with Damage Inc (& have a REAL MATCH with her former BFF) wile Brenda feuds with Shannon.

That is my belief of what will happen for BRENDA TO WIN, SO GO RUA! CELTIC WARRIOR MODE ACTIVATED!

SABRINA SHOWS HER BABYFACE COLORS AS SHE SNEAKS UP FROM BEHIND & TOSSES YVONNE BACK INTO YE RING FOR BRENDA TO WIN!

That’s a possibility, sure. It’s also preserving the status quo as it was at the very beginning of the comic, as well as very black-and-white. No nuance or character development at all. I’m sure, if that’s the direction Albone wants to go, he could make an interesting story out of it, but it is the one outcome with the least intriguing, exciting potential. If that happened in a WWE PPV, the analysis afterward would be “They teased an interesting swerve, and then didn’t deliver. Typical WWE booking – another opportunity wasted.”

It also requires Sabrina to turn on friends who have been helping and supporting her for a quite a while, to rescue someone who has barely given her a nod in passing, because… Doing the Right Thing!(TM) Wouldn’t bank on it.

A definite possibility. Sabrina really might fight for the “right thing” as she remembers the raw deal she herself got in Tokyo. Plus, it’s sort of her style. Very interesting. This could lead into something very different next season. Where is Al going with this.

Plus it would lead to a moment for them to need each other once Rococo come to RAW for revenge on either Sun or Sabrina. SO again I say Sabrina comes out & tries to makes thing fair, thus feuding with Sun & DI. Besides, Sabrina said she wasn’t in DI, so she can prove that by bringing Yvonne into the ring for Brenda to make things go Fair & Square, killing DI’s plans.

“It also requires Sabrina to turn on friends who have been helping and supporting her for a quite a while, to rescue someone who has barely given her a nod in passing, because… Doing the Right Thing!(TM) Wouldn’t bank on it.”

See, I’d argue that’s exactly the sort of character we’ve established that Sabrina is. She will throw out all practical considerations in the name of that “right thing”, especially if it happens to make her the center of attention yet again.

You and I have a much different take on the character, Callie. Also Swimmer and Luis. Friends seem more important to her than the Right Thing. That’s why she’s BFFs with Sun, who is definitely a heel when not with Sabrina.

She hasn’t run out to stop every single injustice that happens in the ring. What makes this different? Her friends are the ones stretching the rules? Makes her less likely to interfere, not more, in my opinion.

She might have words with them afterward, but attacking her friends to save someone she doesn’t care about isn’t really her style, I think.

RE: Sabrina, that’s the million dollar question, isn’t it? What’s more important to her: The right thing or her BFF/friend(s)? But, it’s never that simple. It’s all in the context of the situation. Recall that Sabrina didn’t come out to help Krystin though she really could’ve used it.

Countouts and DQ’s are definitely fair game, Scuffles! And no, Brenda would not get so much a warning for laying out Sun and Kyra.

(scratches chin) Hey boss, am I dense and there was some earlier mention of count-outs not being a viable way of point gathering here in an Iron Woman Match or does Yvonne have some heretofore yet undisclosed brilliance up her sleeve? Regardless of outcome, somewhere in Orlando a certain Technical Marvel is smiling knowing the challenger used her Whispering Scream to score that pivotal fall. And yet, I still think I’ll root for the champ.

CHLOE DE SADE making her long awaited debut as she brings in her newly discovered monster & debuting URLIKE STEINBREACHER to destroy all 3 DI members & Brenda at the same time & causing the match to become a DQ, thus NO TITLE CHANGES HANDS ON A DQ = BRENDA REMAINS CHAMPION! lmao

see how Darth Yvonne uses her force choke to make the soon to be former champ tap- though a bit of a heel gloating error by reminding brenda she could just tap instead of trying to fight through and passing out ensuring a yvonne win.

i sense a BIG double clothesline for the first line of defense given how Brenda’s rearing back with both arms. nikki sees that coming too so she has to tough it out for the good of the faction and form the last line of defense for her empress. meanwhile sting…er sabrina apparently still has no idea what’s going on among her heel friends.

i was wondering about the countout aspect too but since brenda’s out chasing too it’d be a wash at this point and yvonne keeps the edge.

since it doesn;t have anything to do with darth yvonne’s triumph in the title match i’m going to have to say either Chloe returns or Cocoa makes her RA debut as sabrina’s left alone in the locker room for the surprise.

or something even more shocking when xtina and sabrina find they agree on something.

“Xtina and Sabrina agree on something.” I guess you won’t be surprised then. XD That’s such a good bit; it never gets old.

Yvonne knew that Brenda wouldn’t pass out, so she tried to goad her into tapping, the sensible thing that Yvonne herself did earlier in the match. She was banking on it. But, it remains to be seen how smart Yvonne actually is.

Smart move for Brenda right now would be to hop back in the ring and rack up a few count-out points. There’s still 42 seconds left, it’s enough time for the Ref to count to 10. Tie it up, and if Yvonne doesn’t want to come back for the tie-breaker, Brenda retains.

Whichever way it ends, it was a very good match. My only complaint would be the page count (60 minutes seemed to fly by there, lol ). That is an issue any time you do a pro wrestling story though. If you reflect every action you end up with a Tolkienesque page count.
A good indicator of how well the match was crafted (and the story it appears in) is how PO’d you get when your gal loses.
:bravo:

I think the pacing you got set up is good. It has a rhythm to it. Besides, if you did a faithful reflection of each and every match …. We’d still be reading about that time Brooke and Sabrina teamed up in a tag match.

MORE BRENDA RUA MATCHES AS WORLD CHAMPION!!! Do that & I be SUPER PLEASED! lol & since this is a Upstart comic, Brenda vs HEEL Brooke, Krystin, & Sun are a must, the all ender of enders is Brenda vs Sabrina.

Honestly, I think the best thing for Brenda’s career would be a loss to Yvonne here. Seriously. She’s been the champion since before the comic started, and with the exception of the Black Widow we haven’t seen _anyone_ really challenge her position until now with Yvonne. She’s running the risk of becoming the Cena or 80’s Hulk Hogan of Rival Angels if the fans don’t get to see any change. A big loss and being forced to climb and claw her way back up (and not with unbeatable ease either, because that would bring comparisons to the likes of Cena and Hogan again) would bring her character more sympathy and interest from the fans. After all, everyone loves a good comeback story (Rocky 3, anyone?). And more importantly to the only person whose opinion matters, Gabrielle, a good rise and fall and rise story sells merchandise. Lots and lots of merchandise. This would make Gabrielle very happy and put Brenda herself in a strong position come contract renegotiation time.

Besides, this is Yvonne’s time. We all know and acknowledge this, yes? 😀

NO! The World Heavyweight Title needs to be on someone for a long while. It can’t be a hot potato being swapped to one person to another like The TV title. The World Title is the most important title & needs to be seen as such, just like the days of Bruno, Hogan, Cena, & Punk. So I say Brenda needs to keep it & have Sabrina feud with DI (with a REAL MATCH with Sun instead of that sparring match & match where Sun allowed Sabrina to win to keep her job). The real person to take the title off of Brenda in my eyes has to have a MAJOR CONNECTION to Sabrina for the ender of all enders, thus either Sun/Rococo should be it or have Brenda vs Sabrina as the passing of the torch match.

Also, someone BRAND NEW to the title should be the next to get it. Yvonne was ALREADY a World Champion before Brenda took it off of her. So really Yvonne shouldn’t get the title since she ALREADY had the taste of being QUEEN of the MOUNTAIN. So I could add The Return of Chloe De Sade to be the one to take the title off Brenda since she was the MAJOR FEUD Sabrina had in her rookie days & Chloe was never a Champion (far as I know).

Actually women’s wrestling had a Cena and a Hogan waaaay before they ever stepped into the ring, and her name was Moolah. (And she was Fabulous ;p )
There was some well written opinion pieces that her multi-decade reign actually stagnated the growth of the sport as a whole. (An opinion I do not share, btw).

Actually, Moolah did lose the title 3 times within her reign but WWE hid them since they were title loses over in Japan like how Bull Nakano became champion against Alundra Blayze. Within WWE history, Sherri & Wendi are the only women to defeat Moolah for the title within the WWE record books but the REAL TRUTH is hidden well that she lose over in Japan. lol

In my opinion Moolah never had the title since Mildred Burke never lost it.
Thanks to the internet we can see those matches (well, the Bull Nakano/Alundra”Madusa” Blaze ones). Nakano/Blaze had some awesome stuff! I would buy a DVD collection of those matches all by themselves.

P.S. A hero losing to a heel by way of cheating never hurt anyone’s career. Bob Backlund notwithstanding. And Brenda would be a prime swipe for a rival (heh) organisation since they could contend that she would have won (and thus be the true champion) sans shenanigans.

For me, Yvonne was ALREADY a champion. So the title would become just like the TV as a HOT POTATO because it was Yvonne who lost it to Brenda then regained it from her, just like the TV title is being used. To me, the one to take the title off Brenda should have not been a World Champion & have a MAJOR CONNECTION to Sabrina since this is HER COMIC.

So for me, I would like either Sun to take it thus friends have a REAL MATCH this time, Rococo since she beat Sabrina & ended the season topping Sabrina thus FEUD with Sabrina with the title on the line, or THE RETURN OF CHLOE DE SADE who was Sabrina’s MAJOR RIVAL at the start of the comic. Either one of those 3 should be the ones to take the title off Brenda since they have MAJOR CONECTIONS to Sabrina, thus have a MAJOR ENDER OF ALL ENEDER for this Sabrina based comic. Also, I would LOVE a Babyface match of Sabrina vs Brenda since it would show a passing of the torch when Sabrina wins & becomes champion in the ENDER OF ALL ENDERS, just like Hogan vs Warrior or Cena vs Bryan.

as to yvonne already being a champ- there needs to be an established star to take the title off of brenda. at the moment there’s no time to have built up any other serious contender for the belt in the RA timeline being as focused as RA is on the Upstarts. bringing in someone new, they’d have to be shown in several matches as to why they’re even getting a title shot over everyone there, which takes time away from the upstarts.

and don;t forget going by my bad memory and assuming 1 defense a month, this is month 7 or so of brenda’s reign. which is well beyond the hotshotting stage of a title reign. if yvonne wins now and brenda gets it right back in the rematch now we’re talking about hot potatoing things.

as for becoming the cena of RA steinar. there was a great debate that sabrina was in danger of turning into (or had become already) him in the eyes of several posters during her pre-japanese exile days. brenda’s got a long ways to go before ending up in that territory if only because we see less of her than brina. besides i don;t think there’s enough spray tan in the world to get that pale skin a proper hogan orange tint 🙂

Oh, I’m not saying Brenda’s overexposed in the comic itself. Given that the focus is on the upstarts any character not directly connected with them is really in no danger of that. I’m thinking more “in universe” than “in comic” in that someone keeping the belt too long with no serious challenges to their reign runs a risk of seeming stale in the eyes of the people paying for the tickets to the show.

I’m also not at all biased just because I think Yvonne is awesome. Nope. Not biased at all, me. 🙂 I always did like the intelligent manipulative heel schtick. Probably why one of my longest lasting e-wrestling characters back in the day used that sort of gimmick.

Now as far as Brenda becoming Hogan, well, you’re right about that I suppose. Heck, there’s not enough spray tan in the world to make _oranges_ as orange as Hogan. 😀

Brenda is the better pic as champion then Yvonne. Mostly because we have BETTER HEELS then Faces within RAW, thus Brenda being the ELITE babyface CHampion is much more enjoyable due to lots of great matches (Brenda vs Sun, Brooke, Kat, Krystin, Dark, Perfection, Breaker, Canuck, Syndicate, Damage Inc, Helles Belles, Black & Blue, Towers of Terror, Diaz, Valentine, & so on) compared to what matches CarMichael would have (Yvonne vs Silver, McCourt, Buckingham, Catgirls, Brandy, Holiday) Brenda has WAY MORE opps to face then Yvonne.

Also if WWE would have Kevin Owens go over vs John Cena, then I can see Rococo being the one to take the title off Brenda so her & Sabrina could have the IDEAL ENDER for Sabrina to become champion against a former friend turned hated rival who did what nobody did before her….dethrone The Celtic Warrior.

I am more concerned with the fallout than the match result. Sorry Brenda, heel shenanigans are part of wrestling, and being dishonorable is what makes heels, well, heels. Payback is always on the horizon.

Which is what brings me to my original point. Sabrina is not a heel. DI rushing out was clearly arranged beforehand. Up until now, DI have managed to keep on Sabrina’s good side, but this is blatant and unambiguous heeling — clever strategy, deplorable methods.

So how is Brina going to feel knowing that Sun was an active, willing participant? She’s all about fair play — hell, she got a lot of grief because she refused to take the TV title for just that reason. She’s always known that Sun fights dirty, but there is a difference between grabbing a quick opportunity and pre-planned screw-overs.

So… I’m wondering if this will be the thing that breaks the camel’s back regarding Sabrina turning a blind eye to the fact that DI are indeed heels and Sun is a willing participant in all that?

I can see a blow-up happening. Sun has a well-established history of lashing out rather than accepting blame. Soo… I gots a bad feeling.

Oh ye of little faith. There is plenty of time to blitzkrieg through her thin Maginot line, grab her by her big fat nose and bleached hair, and haul her back to the ring. I can hurt her in places she doesn’t know she has. But she’ll get a graduate instruction. No charge.

While Gabs has milked this title match for every dime, she know’s I’m her rain maker. Together, we took RA to levels she could only dream about. The DIncs couldn’t do that before and won’t do it now. They don’t have the looks or the talent or the vision. Or rather, their vision doesn’t extend very far beyond them. So don’t be surprised…

Who ever said RA is defined by one star? No one. The other belts are not held in as high esteem. That’s all. They are still very much sought after and the fans love all their champs. Loving to hate them amounts to much the same thing. It sells.

But maybe you guys can enlighten me. on the other point I’ve never understood the spin on being X times a champ. That means you’ve lost it x-1 times at best. It sounds like something a politico would say. Or Callie 😛

Brenda, Luis said it. Repeatedly. Right here. Read the message I replied to. That’s what it says, although less articulate. “BRENDA IS RAW NOT YVONNE! lol When you think RAW, you get BRENDA RUA.” That’s what this means.

Yes, a long reign is better than lots of them, but everyone has a bad day. Everyone loses eventually, everyone changes, everyone evolves. That is, except Cena, for a lot of his career, and that is precisely the thing fans hate him for.

Also, can we please use RA as the abbreviation, not RAW? I’m pretty sure RAW in a wrestling context is already copyrighted. I love this comic, but when I think RAW, I don’t think Brenda Rua, or, indeed, Sabrina and Sun. I think Sheamus and Orton and Rusev and Cena and Paige and Neville.

I still say Brenda should remain champion since she has more better opponents to fight then if Yvonne became champion. There are more heels then faces & the upstarts themselves are more heelish then faces (Krystin, Sun, Brooke). Also this is a Sabrina comic, thus Sabrina becoming champion at the end So the end should be someone that Sabrina is SUPER CLOSE TO that takes the title off Brenda, so I think it should either be Sun, Rococo, or even The Return of Chloe De Sade. Hell, even Danielle Perfection since she was Sabrina’s VERY FIRST RIVAL. Also someone that wasn’t champion should be the one to take it off Brenda, so Yvonne ALREADY had her run, give it to the likes of Katherine Smith who has history with Sabrina or even Xtina who also has history with Sabrina. Mostly, the new title holder should have LONG History with Sabrina since this is HER COMIC.

That’s why I’m cheering for Yvonne – I think there’s more story potential there. The comic’s Brenda Rua character doesn’t intersect with the protagonists at all. Yvonne is intersecting a great stonking bunch, and her winning the title right now, with this method, would create the story of an interesting influence on the Upstarts. Especially with the way Damage Inc has been so supportive, and the issues with the skybox, represented by Rua…

If Brenda wins, nothing happens, nothing changes, the title is irrelevant to the story as it has ever been, and Yvonne is dealt an embarrassing defeat that everyone feels rather awkward about. If Yvonne wins, the title is relevant to the narrative. A friend and supporter to the protagonist has liberated the title from those jerks in the skybox, but she’s done so using unsportsmanlike means. How does Sabrina react to that?

If Brenda wins, LOTS OF THINGS HAPPEN MAN! Better opps for Brenda to face & lose the title too (like Sun or Rococo & so many more), Many HEELS to rise & claim the title. Again, CarMichael has ALREADY BEEN CHAMPION….. Thus we need a NEW PERSON WHO HAS NEVER BEEN CHAMPION to face Brenda & win! Thus Sun, Perfection, Rococo, De Sade, Katherine, women who has MASSIVE CONNECTION to Sabrina, thus making the story for Sabrina becoming champion more enjoyable & intreaging. CarMichael has NOTHING when it comes to her vs Sabrina or her vs a face to lose the title to who has to face Sabrina for her to become champion. SO again, BRENDA SHOULD RIGHTFULLY PREVAIL then lose it to someone who has MASSIVE CONNECTION to Sabrina like the ones I named! SO GO BRENDA, ACTIVE CELTIC MODE & SHUT THESE HATER UP!!!

All of that consists of boring booking decisions for an in-ring-only wrestling show where we see all the matches and assumes that Albone is setting the comic up to conclude soon. It keeps the title as irrelevant as it has always been to the protagonists. It’s a thinly veiled excuse to cheer for your favorite minor supporting character. Don’t be MGC.

The comic won’t be fun at all if Yvonne is champion because the ender of all enders for this comic is for SABRINA to become CHAMPION. & What better way for Sabrina to become champion is for either her beating someone that is SUPER CLOSE TO HER (Sun, Rococo, Chloe, Perfection, Katherine, Loretta, Brooke, Krystin) or a passing of the torch match vs Brenda.

Once again, there is no MAJOR FACE besides Brenda or Sabrina to take the title off Yvonne if she becomes champion, so that is a utter wait of time to have her champion. But with Brenda as champion, we have A MASSIVE AMOUT OF WOMEN to take the title off of her who is connected to Sabrina both as a Friend (Sun) former ally turned DEADLY Rival (Rococo), or Long Time Rival (Loretta).

So Brenda REMAINING Champion is a must for Sabrina go move on forward & become The NEW RAW World Heavyweight Champion by taking it from Brenda or the HEEL Sabrina Connected wrestler who beat Brenda (like Sun or Perfection)

Y’know, the spin on being a multiple time champion is a bit of a conundrum. In MMA, it’s tough to be a champ once let alone many times but it’s a big accomplishment for a fighter to be a 2 time champion like GSP or Velesquez. But there’s something to be said for guys with impressive undefeated streaks like Ronda or Mighty Mouse Johnson.

In WWE, they make it like a tournament thing, like being a 5 time superbowl champion or something. While being a 15 time champ means you lost 14 times, I’m sure there’s plenty of guys who would’ve loved to hold the title just once.

As for the Brenda debate about WHAT’S COMING UP, I’m not going to tell you guys to stop, but you are just kind of saying the same thing over and over. It’s fine, it’s cool, but the point has been made and I don’t think anyone else’s mind is going to change.
The issue of whether or not Brenda retains the belt will be answered shortly and I would guess the debate would still be valid, but maybe wait and see what happens.

Thus The World Heavyweight Title MUST BE IMPORTANT, thus REAMING WITH BRENDA makes it so, like how the WWE title was CRAP until CM Punk made it important again with his MASSIE RUN as champion. People LOVED Punk as champion just like People LOVE Rua Giving it back to Yvonne (WHO WAS ALREADY A CHAMPION) makes the title a hot potato because YVONNE HELD THAT TITLE ALREADY! So Brenda should remain champion only to drop it to someone new who again has connection to Sabrina (I would even go to say even someone like Callie since she fought Sabrina TWICE in BRA).

What are you talking about, Brenda? If he wants to cheer for your comic self as a fan, that’s fine. If he wants to talk booking, that’s fine. What Luis is doing instead is cheering for a Rua win, using weak booking logic to justify it, and acting like there’s no difference between the two ideas, that your character’s prowess will validate his strange views on the title’s current role in the comic.

I can’t really debate his booking ideas without pointing out their weakness, and when they are obviously constructed as a bizarre meta-justification to cheer your character, that should be pointed out.

I guess the meanest bit was comparing Luis to MGC. At least MGC never felt he had to justify his choice of idols. It’s all in the name of making himself happy. Luis should be that honest.

The most telling thing is the way Luis keeps talking about silencing dissent.

Brenda is my fav face while Sun/Loretta/Dark/Brooke are my fav heels. So for me, I still feel BRENDA PREVAILS CHAMPION so she can lose it to the PROPER contender who is close to Sabrina, thus someone like Sun or Perfection or Loretta. Brenda as champion is better since she has more opps to battle. Yvonne as champion is weak because she has LESS opp to deal with. Also The title would be a Hot Potato since YVONE WAS ALREADY CHAMPION! Give have Brenda REMAIN champion & then give the title to someone new like Xtina or Katherine, both who have connection to Sabrina.

& I know my logic of wrestling & titles are correct in my way because not only have I been a fan of wrestling since 1983 (I am 35 years old) but I also dabble in the world of E-Fedding Wrestling (Carlos Rosario, Katrina Rosario, Demonica Martinez) & even doing lots of wrestling stories & creative for E-Feds & storybased federations.

Your bookings of people with Yvonne is weak as hell man. Who is in Yvonne’s class when it comes to the faces. JUST 2 which are Brenda & Sabrina. Victoria has lost more then she has won, Silver won but is a Mid-Carder, Shannon is the #1 contender but she got lucky since Vic tapped out right when Kat nearly win.

So trust me, there are MASSIVE BETTER MATCHES with RUa as champion then there is for Yvonne as champion. Also, With Rua losing to someone connected to her (like Sun or Chloe or Krystin), then it is more of a IMPACT for Sabrina to win the title, which is THIS COMICS MAIN FOCIS!

What you’re doing here, Luis, is starting from your preferred conclusion and then working backward to justify it. This is the next best thing to intellectual dishonesty. The reason it is frowned on is that when you work it correctly, starting from the present situation and working toward the best outcome, you’re more likely to correctly evaluate the current situation. With your method, you leave several assumptions unstated.

Let’s look at the current status of the title in the comic.

1) For the entire duration of the comic, Brenda Rua has been the current champion.

2) Brenda Rua is not a significant character in the comic. She has fewer spoken lines than most of the rest of the roster. She does not interact with the protagonists in a meaningful way. The closest she has come to them is allowing Krystin to be in her presence in the skybox, and telling Sabrina not to get too cozy with the title when she had her hands on it. Rua is also seldom seen defending the title. When it gets any spotlight – such as the Black Widow match – it is meant to set up a story for other characters.

3) Given 1 and 2, the championship has been irrelevant to the main story since the beginning. The Upstarts do not appear poised to break into the world title picture right now, and Rua is not shaking hands with them personally. If Rua wins, the world title continues to be irrelevant to our story.

4) Yvonne is the leader of a stable that one of the protagonists joined right away, and is currently supporting and assisting two other protagonists. She is one of the most relevant characters in the comic right now.

5) Yvonne is currently in the middle of a Clever Heel Strategem, something she’s supposed to be good at, designed to exploit but not break the rules and win the title. If this fails, Yvonne will lose credibility as a top heel, everyone will feel awkward about it, Sabrina will grumble about not being told, and the conclusion to this book will be a boring continuation of the status quo. If it succeeds, a babyface protagonist is closely associated – declared to be friends both publicly and privately – with a heel stable that holds the world championship. That is a huge, dramatic story driver.

That is why I believe Yvonne should win.

Luis, your argument revolves around the assumption that Brenda Rua needs to remain champion until Sabrina is ready to challenge for it. You justify that with the assumption that titles that change hands aren’t worth as much. You’re wrong. The NXT title is one of the hottest commodities right now, and Sami Zayn lost it in his first defense. Another example is the NXT Women’s title. It doesn’t get long runs. It gets intense rivalries. A title’s prestige is determined by how fierce the desire for it is seen to be, and people are fighting with everything they have, constantly reminding us that it’s all for a shot at those titles. The question of how long one person has held it is insignificant.

AGAI, Brenda has MUCH More better & killer opps to face & lose the title to that connect to Sabrina rather then Yvonne who has NO REAL FACE rather then Brenda & Sabrina to constantly face. Brenda needs to win then lose it to the next one in line like Sun or Loretta or Rococo, thus Sabrina gets next & becomes champion. Or Brenda vs Sabrina in a passing of the torch match needs to happen. Yvonne being champion MEANS THE DEATH OF RA! Just saying!

CarMihael is not that Important at all. I bet once The Synacate come in (Which I know they will with Rococo), then DI will be LONG & FORGOT like they were in the first few chapters. Brenda CONQUERS Yvonne because she is A MILLION TIMES BETTER with LOTS OF LOTS OF BETTER ADVISARIES who are waiting in the wings Once Brenda beats Yvonne, BETTER WRESTLERS like The Debut of Rococo, Krystin, Sun, Loretta, Perfection, Brooke, & SO MANY OTHER HEELS can take the title off of Brenda, thus making it The road Sabrina needs to become the next champion.

& that comment about MCG, he is a very close friend of mine who I talk to a lot. He is a great person & a great writer. Yes he may be a LOVER of Chloe, but we all have our beloved people who we crave for & that what makes him MCG. SO for you to tell me “Not be like MGC, well I like to be him because if you see the man in real life, HE IS MUSCLE BOUND FREAK OF NATURE & WHO COULD KILL YOU WITH ONE PUNCH!

My point Mr. Blitz is that you made it a personal dig at two other fansl. You took it away from the merits of the argument as such. That’s cheap and easy. If you don’t see that, well so be it. In point of fact, both of you have good cases, each with defects. And it’s that dynamic that makes the plot interesting.

Albone’s waters run deep. There are wheels within wheels. I’m sure he’s way ahead of all of us.

Yeah, no. I’m comparing the biased arguments of one poster to the biased arguments of another poster. If I’d called them both fat-faced ninnies, you’d have a point. Instead, I pointed out that one poster is trying to argue plot based on his need for one supporting character to win, and compared it to another poster’s excessive, well-noted love for a supporting character.

Yes, it’s cheap and easy, but pointing out the underlying motivations behind an argument is one of the few effective ways of debating something subjective. The other is to go structural. Which I have. Again.

I’ve often said that Albone has ways of making things work, even when I don’t see how it can from the outside, and if he wants to keep you champion and progress the story from there, I’m sure he can. Thing is, though, he’s told us that the end of the book is coming up in the next couple updates. Your character is seldom seen. Readers who don’t read the comments or the forum don’t know or care about you. In what way would a Brenda Rua victory and successful title defense and continuance of the status quo allow for the next page or two to end this book in a suitably dramatic way? I don’t see it, but if you can come up with something, please. Enlighten me.

& I do see a GREAT BRENDA RUA TITLE WIN thanks to a CERTERN STABLE GETTING REVENGE ON DI! If your too dumb not to know who I mean, LOOK BACK IN BRA & you will then see. Thus DI can feud with them & Brenda goes on to face Shannon & then the next Title contender.

Also your diss on Brenda being a rarely seen & rarely used champion is almost the same as you dissing BROCK FUCKING LESNAR when he was WWE champion. His reign as champion was MAJORLY IMPORTANT, same as the reigns of Bruno Sammartino & Hulk Hogan who were just as unseen & unused champions who only wrestled at PPVs. Meaning you can be a GREAT CHAMPION, even if your only used on PPVs like Brenda is.

Classy. I make as clinical a case as I can, and this is how you respond.

You’re irrational. You’re demonstrating that clearly. I shouldn’t continue wasting my time by replying to you, but considering the nasty things you’re saying about me now, I should offer a rebuttal, just to clarify.

MGC is a misogynist whose writing is barely intelligible, but to the extent that it can be understood, it is basically torture porn. He is utterly fascinated with a minor supporting character who embodies the most horrible stereotypes about women. It’s not just me saying so – this was a well-documented Big Deal on the forums a while back that I found out about toward the tail end of the conversation. Declare him your friend, leap to his side, defend his honor all you like. All it’s doing is making you look worse by association.

Disparaging Yvonne the way you’re doing does no one any favors. Yvonne was champion previously, so her having the title is obviously no death sentence. If Yvonne is so weak, then Brenda beating her for the title previously was no accomplishment, and Yvonne holding the advantage more often than not in the current match… what does that say about Brenda? Clearly, she’s not “a million times better.” She has never shown this to be the case. If she had, she’d be The Invincible John Cena.

Your argument hinges on a simple, linear, boring progression of the comic’s story, sacrificing it to what you feel to be the better wrestling story, and really requires the whole thing to be moving rapidly to a conclusion.

… Luis, I don’t know what rock you were living under at the time, but Brock Lesnar’s most recent run as the WWE World Heavyweight Champion was not regarded as a good or successful one. He’s a great athlete, a great performer, a fascinating person – I recently found out some really interesting things about him that I approve of greatly – but the way his recent title reign was booked made it one of the worst in recent memory. Everyone says so. He and the title were largely forgotten about.

Again Brenda has a lot more better opponents as champion rather then Yvonne. & again, this is a Sabrina Comic, thus SABRINA BEING CHAMPION IS THE ENDER OF ALL ENDERS. SO It is better for Brenda being champion then Yvonne because there are many heels to fight & take the title of Brenda then a Face to take off Yvonne. So again, women like Sun, Loretta, Chloe, Katherine, Rococo, Widow, Brooke, Krystin, Perfection, Syndicate, & so much more HEELS can become champions better then Yvonne because they connect more to Sabrina, who again is THE ENDER OF ALL ENDERS TO BECOME CHAMPION SINCE THIS IS HER COMIC! Yvonne becoming champion is weak because there are not good faces to battle & take the title off of her but only Sabrina & Brenda, thus the title becomes a HOT POTATO because YVONNE WAS ALREADY A CHAMPION!

The ideal ender is a title match of Sabrina vs SUn, Sabrina vs Perfection, Sabrina vs Rococo, Sabrina vs Chloe, Sabrina vs Loretta, Sabrina vs Widow, Sabrina vs Katherine, or the passing of the torch of Sabrina vs Brenda. Yvonne is NOT IMPORTANT AT ALL, CHLOE DE SADE IS MUCH BETTER THEN HER because Chloe is THE ULTIMATE BITCH. So again I still say Brenda must prevail or DRAW so she can remain champion & pass the title off to a MORE IMORTANT HEEL!