Post by Hershey22 on Oct 9, 2018 10:19:34 GMT -5

Is an adequate football player. If he had any sort of coaching, he would probably develop into a good one.

I just thought I would try to offer a positive thought about last night.

... we needed an immediate stud impact player...if we were going to take a DT/NT(which I knew we would) I was more of a Vea vs Payne lobbyist...and in that respect at least temporarily we made the right choice... no-one knows what Veas effectiveness will be if he loses much more weight... he has gained strength..

this team always has a boatload of on the cusp type of players but not that one that can absolutely dominate... same ole sh*t.. different year...Allen is the main problem... he's got to go first...

Post by SkinsFan67 on Oct 9, 2018 11:16:48 GMT -5

Is an adequate football player. If he had any sort of coaching, he would probably develop into a good one.

I just thought I would try to offer a positive thought about last night.

... we needed an immediate stud impact player...if we were going to take a DT/NT(which I knew we would) I was more of a Vea vs Payne lobbyist...and in that respect at least temporarily we made the right choice... no-one knows what Veas effectiveness will be if he loses much more weight... he has gained strength..

this team always has a boatload of on the cusp type of players but not that one that can absolutely dominate... same ole sh*t.. different year...Allen is the main problem... he's got to go first...

Vea wasn't an option, he went one pick before we made the Payne pick. Trading up was an option, but at what cost? We were already down a 3rd round pick at the time. There was also some talk that the FO liked Payne over Vea, whether there is any truth to that, who knows.

"You have 11 guys coming at you on every play. Either you are going to bring it or you are going to receive it." Derrius Guice

Post by rdsredskins14 on Oct 9, 2018 11:24:24 GMT -5

I love Payne, him and Allen are going to be a heck of a duo for years to come. I will say this, that I am a little frustrated by our lack of a rotation on the DL the last few weeks. Basically our rotation has been Ioannidis, Allen, and Payne. We've seen very little of anyone else. I'm all for playing those three guys as much as possible considering they're by far our best DL, however, they need to be spelled a few downs here and there. You could see that they were tired at times and getting pushed back.

Post by gilesfan on Oct 9, 2018 11:34:54 GMT -5

Payne was a monster last night. I will take a stud DL over a safety any day. We need to upgrade from Nicholson soon though. He seemed really good in zone coverage, but has been a trainwreck this year and cannot play man at all. He's also missing tackles all over the place.

Post by rskin72 on Oct 9, 2018 12:16:41 GMT -5

McFarland had some nice things to say about Payne...one thing, though, that I thought was funny was that he had thin ankles. So that allowed him to move gracefully for such a big guy. Not an exact quote, but along those lines.

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Post by southskin on Oct 9, 2018 15:51:45 GMT -5

By the way, I saw on last night's post game show where there was a sequence on the sidelines where Allen was really getting on his teammates. You could tell he was pissed and he was fired up. Trent Williams eventually tried to calm on him down after Allen was done with his fiery speech to the team. Allen only got fired up again (not as bad as previously) when Williams tried to cool him down.

You could still tell Allen was still ticked when interviewed after the game. He let out a couple obscenities, too. I like his passion. He's also not use to losing nor players not carrying their weight.

By the way, I saw on last night's post game show where there was a sequence on the sidelines where Allen was really getting on his teammates. You could tell he was pissed and he was fired up. Trent Williams eventually tried to calm on him down after Allen was done with his fiery speech to the team. Allen only got fired up again (not as bad as previously) when Williams tried to cool him down.

You could still tell Allen was still ticked when interviewed after the game. He let out a couple obscenities, too. I like his passion. He's also not use to losing nor players not carrying their weight.

Post by tycoon on Oct 9, 2018 16:27:20 GMT -5

Both Allen and Payne are first round picks. We need these players to be impact players, playmakers. Adequate and good will not cut it, sorry. I haven't seen either of them making much of an imapct so far this season. The D line as a whole is subpar, no pass rush to speak of through 5 games.

When was the last time we drafted an impact player? Trent? Almost 10 years ago now. Can't expect to win like this.

Tho part of me feels as though Jim Hass... err.. Greg Manusky's D is so vanilla and lacking in creativity that no one could really be successful in it.

Post by SkinsFan67 on Oct 9, 2018 16:45:34 GMT -5

Both Allen and Payne are first round picks. We need these players to be impact players, playmakers. Adequate and good will not cut it, sorry. I haven't seen either of them making much of an imapct so far this season. The D line as a whole is subpar, no pass rush to speak of through 5 games.

When was the last time we drafted an impact player? Trent? Almost 10 years ago now. Can't expect to win like this.

Tho part of me feels as though Jim Hass... err.. Greg Manusky's D is so vanilla and lacking in creativity that no one could really be successful in it.

The Saints game hurt the stats, but even after that game we are still a top 10 D in the league. And our front 3 has gotten at least 1 sack in all 4 games.

The defense is not the problem, though some things could be cleaned up...yes Norman and Nicholson, I'm talking to you about those idiotic penalties last night. The problem has been our offense hasn't played consistently yet (consistently good that is ).

"You have 11 guys coming at you on every play. Either you are going to bring it or you are going to receive it." Derrius Guice

Post by Scotskin on Oct 9, 2018 16:47:58 GMT -5

Both Allen and Payne are first round picks. We need these players to be impact players, playmakers. Adequate and good will not cut it, sorry. I haven't seen either of them making much of an imapct so far this season. The D line as a whole is subpar, no pass rush to speak of through 5 games.

When was the last time we drafted an impact player? Trent? Almost 10 years ago now. Can't expect to win like this.

Tho part of me feels as though Jim Hass... err.. Greg Manusky's D is so vanilla and lacking in creativity that no one could really be successful in it.

We're 2-2, the DL dominated in both wins but one defeat later that's all that matters?

Payne, Allen and Ioaniddis have all gotten to the QBs regularly whilst we've dropped seven and contained the edges.

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Post by SkinsFan67 on Oct 9, 2018 16:57:07 GMT -5

Both Allen and Payne are first round picks. We need these players to be impact players, playmakers. Adequate and good will not cut it, sorry. I haven't seen either of them making much of an imapct so far this season. The D line as a whole is subpar, no pass rush to speak of through 5 games.

When was the last time we drafted an impact player? Trent? Almost 10 years ago now. Can't expect to win like this.

Tho part of me feels as though Jim Hass... err.. Greg Manusky's D is so vanilla and lacking in creativity that no one could really be successful in it.

We're 2-2, the DL dominated in both wins but one defeat later that's all that matters?

Payne, Allen and Ioaniddis have all gotten to the QBs regularly whilst we've dropped seven and contained the edges.

I agree. The DL are doing their jobs and I think they will only get better.

"You have 11 guys coming at you on every play. Either you are going to bring it or you are going to receive it." Derrius Guice

Post by Carnack on Oct 22, 2018 13:06:59 GMT -5

Well Tomsula is going a very good job of coaching this DL too, Giles. He is getting the exact results here that he did when I watched him with SF.

Payne is going to be a huge addition for this team for years to come. That is one pick the F.O. got right.

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Post by Biggest on Oct 22, 2018 13:46:49 GMT -5

And my guess is Settle and Brantley behind them are the furthest thing from 'chopped liver.' We finally did it right on one LOS - stud starters with young, talented, credible reserves. Need to emulate this more with the OL build / reload this coming offseason.

Post by rskin72 on Oct 22, 2018 14:03:26 GMT -5

When they showed all 3 of them just one handing Dallas' line while they waited for zeke and gave up no ground, I just sat there like a proud pops. It was awesome!

Yep....recall that replay as well. Those guys are studs....and hopefully will be wearing B&G uni's for a long time to come. I do think, though, that we need to spell them a but more than I notice we do.

I don’t believe in team motivation.I believe in getting a team prepared so it knowsit will have the necessary confidence when it steps on a field and be prepared to play a good game.Tom LandryI make my practices real hard because if a player is a quitter, I want him to quit in practice, not in a game.Bear Bryant

Post by Terry on Oct 22, 2018 14:19:01 GMT -5

When they showed all 3 of them just one handing Dallas' line while they waited for zeke and gave up no ground, I just sat there like a proud pops. It was awesome!

Yep....recall that replay as well. Those guys are studs....and hopefully will be wearing B&G uni's for a long time to come. I do think, though, that we need to spell them a but more than I notice we do.

I think Keim recently pointed out that for the past few games, both Payne and Allen are in for over 90% of snaps. The only other team to do that is the Rams with Suh and Donald.