Is Spiked Online Editor Luke Gittos A Sexual Cuckservative?

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Luke Gittos, the editor of the law section of the establishment-left publication Spiked Online, has penned a short piece attacking Roosh Valizadeh. The piece is also a broadside against what Gittos calls the “pick-up industry.” Into the same pot are thrown the hapless MRAs, denounced by Gittos as a “merry band of saddos.”

Why is a writer who purports to be so against rape culture hysteria that he has just written a book on the subject so keen to lash out against Roosh and the broader men’s movement?

Never let a good crisis go to waste

Gittos’ article for Spiked coincides with the petition to ban Roosh’s books from Amazon, and, tellingly, with the publication of his own book, “Why Rape Culture is a Dangerous Myth: From Steubenville to Ched Evans.” The conclusion of the article is, predictably given Spiked’s dogmatic stance on free speech, that Roosh’s ooks should not be banned.

On the other hand, he makes sure to throw in ample scorn for Roosh and the “pick-up industry,” distancing himself from such undesirable male behaviour as, er, having a sexual strategy.

MRA? PUA? Same difference.

The problems with Gittos’ facile attempt to insinuate himself and Spiked within the bounds of “kosher” discourse and men’s groups outside it are glaring. For starters, much like the SJW’s he would otherwise like to distance himself from, Gittos misattributes Roosh’s “argument” for the legalisation of rape on private property to one of his books, rather than to his website, evidencing a lack of research.

Neither has he picked up that Roosh himself told Canadian journalist Ezra Levant in an interview that the article was tongue in cheek and intended to stir debate. Further, Gittos places Roosh in the “MRA” camp, on the basis of “[A] quick perusal” of Roosh’s Youtube channel.” Again, the learned barrister turned solicitor shows a concerning lack of attention to detail. Roosh, as anyone who reads the manosphere will know, has distanced himself from the Men’s Rights Movement.

Moreover, Gittos appears to be ideologically confused. On the one hand he has written a book entitled “Why Rape Culture Is A Dangerous Myth,” and on the other hand he writes the Men’s Rights Movement off out of hand as a “…merry band of saddos [that] believes that the world is being controlled by a feminist conspiracy that is enslaving men.”

I presume from the title of Gittos’ book that he thinks that the politically motivated drive to inflate the conviction rate for sexual offences is not a welcome phenomenon. I also presume that, as a columnist for Spiked Online, he is not blind to the fact such changes in policy do not arise in a vacuum but are rather the product of political trends of the day.

And what popular political movement could possibly be militating for increased rape convictions at any cost, including the due-process rights of innocent men?

You are all basement-dwelling neckbeard virgins

Without engaging in any further inquiry into whether the “Men’s Rights Movement” has any legitimate claims or grievances whatsoever, Gittos launches into a little attack on PUAs. “Roosh V, Julien Blanc and the rest of their ilk are utter tools,” opines our moral crusader, carefully choosing his targets. In another broad brush denunciation, he writes off the thousands of men who have bought Roosh’s books as:

likely to be lonely, desperate, web-based singletons. These men pose no threat to women. At worst, they might repulse them when they deploy Roosh’s creepy tactics.

Where have we heard this language? It’s very much the register of Social Justice Warriors, is it not? Lonely, desperate, web-based singletons. Creepy. It’s a surprise that Gittos has made no mention of basements and fedoras.

Knocking down the PUA straw man

Having completed his out-of-hand (and scantily researched) dismissal of two rather broad and diverse movements, our receding-chinned jurisprudent proceeds to give us his learned view on the “state of contemporary intimacy”:

Today, the process of picking up women is seen by many as too risky to involve oneself in emotionally. While pick-up artists claim to be masters of charming women, their industry only exists because people are becoming more wary of the emotional risk inherent in the act of seduction. The idea that you might approach a member of the fairer sex, make a prat of yourself and walk away with your tail between your legs is coming to be seen as a needless and terrifying emotional risk.

What utter prattle. One of the very foundations of the pick-up canon is the need to embrace this very “emotional risk inherent in the act of seduction.” No pick-up guru worth his salt has ever sold a product by promising clients that he could remove the trauma of rejection.

Budding PUAs are told to grow a pair, get out there, and make themselves known to women. They are told that rejections are part and parcel of the life of a sexually active man, not something to be brushed under the carpet by retreating into celibacy or online dating.

Get out there and approach, guys.

Gittos continues:

Endless apps, agencies and pseudo-professionals now make money from removing the risk of emotional harm and selling seduction to sad young men as a series of tricks, lines and processes. By attempting to formalise seduction in this way, the pick-up industry strips the human process of charming a woman into bed of all its meaning.

Again, Gittos shows he has not done his homework. If he applies the same rigour to preparing his legal cases, his clients should be worried. Yes, dating apps thrive on a fear of emotional involvement in the dating process. By making everything remote and impersonal, they make things easy for their core market: Western women with no social skills and an imperative towards ubiquitous comfort, and Western men who have insufficient testosterone to grapple with the trauma of the cold approach.

To say, however, that pick-up artists attempt to remove the risk of emotional harm is baloney. Pick-up artists preach the absorption of that emotional harm. They do it by telling students to man the fuck up and approach, taking rejection as a fact of life.

Thou shalt not do anything to improve thy lot!

Gittos then shows his true ideological colours by railing against PUAs employing “tricks, lines and processes.” Where else have we heard this vehement rubbishing of the very notion that men might consider integrating some direction or structure into their pursuit of women?

Oh yes, I remember now. It’s the age-old refrain of women speaking down to beta males. The same mantra which has been picked up by modern Feminists in their attempts to shame disillusioned modern men with ideas of self-determination:

Just be yourself.

Any ex-beta knows the gospel inside out: You’re not getting laid? Don’t worry about it. Just be yourself. Don’t examine what you’re doing wrong. Don’t try to change your personality. You’re a nice guy. You’ll be just fine. Eventually you’ll find a woman who likes you for who you are. Eventually a woman will end up in your life “randomly.” Don’t listen to the PUA guys. Don’t try to copy the asshole who has his pick of the 8’s, 9’s and 10’s.

Gittos is echoing the same script, beloved of overbearing mothers, female “friends” of friend-zoned beta males, feminists, and other assorted women with a vested interest in keeping “nice guys” nice (and celibate). Why is he doing this?

Well, he has a reputation as a man of letters to curate. As a Spiked columnist and advocate of “freeze peach,” he’s already a bit suspect in the eyes of the chatterati. By lashing out at Roosh, he is trying to signal to his peers on the Crouch End dinner-party circuit that he is not quite beyond the pale. He’s all for freedom of whatever, just not the freedom of men to exercise any influence on their own sex lives.

The arrival of Sexual Cuckservatism

In a sense, Luke Gittos is a Cuckservative. He rails against all the issues of the day of concern to conservatives and libertarians: sexual assault Kangaroo courts on campus, media show-trials of men accused of rape, the panic about “rape culture,” and so on.

He’s careful, however, to do it in the name of abstract values like freedom of speech and due process. Showing a breathtaking capacity for doublethink, he’s written articles entitled “Why is the CPS spinning rape stats?” and “We must not give in to the rape panic,” and then mocked MRAs for believing “that the world is being controlled by a feminist conspiracy that is enslaving men.”

Would you take dating advice from this man?

In sum, this form of Sexual Cuckservatism could be defined as a willingness to criticise the left’s abhorrent behaviour (obsession with rape culture, its propensity for social media lynchings and its militancy in banning messages they disagree with), whilst engaging in the very same male-shaming rhetoric of the left and writing off anti-feminist movements in the language of the left, rather than accepting them for what they are: a legitimate reaction to the corruption of leftist and feminist ideology of every aspect of public life.

The lesson garnered from Mr Gittos’ bizarre outburst should be clear to any reader of Return of Kings, including those who had up until now laboured under the misapprehension that Spiked Online was “on the same team”: not every voice purporting to speak in favour of free speech and due process is automatically on the side of right reason simply because it appeals to your libertarian sensibilities.

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Maybe I just belong to the more rarefied, refined, upper echelon, aristocracy of merit, social Darwinism celebrating branch of the philosophy though. Some of the hippy dippy leftist divergent branches can be pretty fucking tedious.

I’d also like to point out that an article by one writer, among a myriad of other contributors, does not mean that a site has changed its policies. Roosh has let some very different types of articles appear on this site, I doubt that means that he endorses them all personally or intends ROK to be represented by their content exclusively.

Funny thing is that even in the world of conservatives and libertarians, feminism has such a strong foothold for so long it’s not even questioned.
I’ve known guys who say “bring it” and mean it when someone tells them “we’re gonna ban all the guns and send SWAT to come for you” but then when it comes to women, their inner beta mangina comes out.

That’s because feminism has become cultural. It’s the default mindset, which is why it’s so hard to defeat without a whole lot of deprogramming. If it were just a political viewpoint, such as banning guns, we’d have a much easier time of it on our side.

Most of the women involved are merely hobby-horsing it anyway. If the same women hooked up with leftoid men instead, they would be leftoids too.
This is why the so-called liberty movement tends to be a sausage convention. Women are programmed to seek the sex in the city lifestyle and end up in the city where it’s nothing but leftoidism.
(I’m not putting a lot of energy into my wording here, sorry)

Women in New York City are a good example. They are, now, complaining that men in the city don’t really want to date, they just hook up. I don’t blame them (men) at all. Women were sold the ‘Sex and the City’ philosophy, they live(d) it and now they are still unhappy.

Really ?. Having visited NYC only 1 time, for 5 days, I got the feeling it was pretty good. But that was for a boys tour of the usual tourist spots, and minimal interaction with girls.

We were staying up around 86th and Amsterdam. And there was a lot of talent getting around… far more than SFO or LA.

But I agree with you on the SATC mindset of women… and the ones in NYC probably bought into it more than the rest…. They were sold a bullshit idea that they can have a glamorous job, deck themselves out in Gucci, do cocktails 5 days a week, date and fuck super rich alphas, and then just marry up when the wall is a split second away from hitting their face.

No problem visiting…just wouldn’t want to live there is my opinion. I’m sure (as a visitor) it’s great but as you become a native it can be very different. It’s NYC (no carry laws) so they it’s out for me from the start just because of the one issue.

The women want there cake and eat it, too. They wanted equality, sexual freedom, etc….they got it. Now, there complaining when no man wants to wife them up (or LTR) after they’ve been riding the carousel for a good number of years. Again, if you’ve been around the block many times (and men know this) then why should they be surprised when no one want them as a wife.

Every man knows the local bar sluts (the regulars). Can you see yourself wife one of them up? Not I.

I think part of the problem is Men’s natural instinct to be chivalrous and be the “protector” and always do right to women get’s toyed with a little by feminism, Men brought up in traditional homes where the woman is a sacred thing immediately shutdown if they get called a misogynist by a feminist because to those Men a misogynist is the worst thing on earth, virtually all boys are brought up to respect women, in comparison a very small percent are brought up to hate guns, that’s probably why there is a lot of Die hard 2nd Amend Men, but also why nearly every Man respects women, i’m not against Respecting women, but at a certain point a Man’s got to put his foot down, and the Trad-cons haven’t figured that out yet.

Its women’s true nature that makes feminism ridiculous. We here at ROK didnt set out to disrespect women and be assholes, but we have learned that it gets the best results. The men that defend feminism simply don’t understand that female nature contradicts feminism on every level. If being a nice guy worked, feminism wouldn’t need to exist.

Men have learned (and many still learning) that the old set of books (see R Tomassi) doesn’t work in today’s society. Men were trying to live by those books (rules) and they found themselves on the losing end. Many have decided to use the new set of books.

Women are no longer ladies, they wanted equality so their is no need for chivalry in today’s society.

White men have been duped and pretty much totally used. It’s so pervasive that it’s hard to even see it. I remember having oneitis at age 6…Tasha. The messages start earlier than 6. Cartoons at age 3, probably.

Your own used/bitter father might even advise you to head straight into the same traps he did. He’ll walk you right into them. It’s amazing.

Spiritually and financially broken divorced men will STILL look askance at a single man over 35, like, “Who’s the fag? Why isn’t he married?” As he heads off to his weekend doubleshift on top of his full time job just to cut a monthy 3000$ check to his worst enemy.

But at some point, white men have to show some ability to adapt or just simply take their place as a dumber animal…lower on the food chain. I’m starting to see betas/manginas as useful idiots for my sake. They didn’t adapt, I did. Let them do the mule work. Someone has to. Women won’t do anything. And black men won’t either 8 times out of 10. Mexicans are off doing teenager’s work while having 7 kids. If white guys drop out en masse, then no one is there to do anything meaningful.

My brother was falsely accused of domestic violence by his first wife and taken to trial where he avoided prison because the judge realized she was a lunatic after she had a few outbursts in court. He then divorced her and almost immediately enters into a marriage with a high school sweetheart that has turned out to be an awful mother and a very selfish, secretive human being that is addicted to pain pills. She actually goes to rehab every now and then, not to get better but to escape the duties of motherhood for a few months while my brother plays mommy and daddy. Every time I see him he asks me when I’m going to grow up and settle down and start a family. I’m only 27.

My father, who was divorced by my mother when he decided he no longer wanted to be a corporate wage slave, told me one day to get a job so I can buy a BMW to attract a quality wife. Basically his advice was become beta bux. When I voiced my displeasure with his advice his response was “So a woman should want a bum?” I was at a loss for words.

Both of them are “alpha” and played professional football in their day but when it comes to women they still live in fantasy land where the man breaks his back for his “family” and gets nothing in return. No thanks.

Agreed. Not worth it even if the woman looks and ages like Sofia Vergara, which she won’t. Add in the fact that the woman will very likely become fat (or at least physically tired out), plus the low sex factor and it’s straight up mind boggling that guys are drawn to marriage. The culture brainwashes men into misreading ‘shame avoidance plus 15-25 drinks a week’ for ‘happiness.’ Those are two totally unrelated experiences. On an international scale, the SMV discrepancy between a fit, BMW driving, non-alcoholic American male and his 170 pound bitchy wife is extraordinary. The only thing more extraordinary is how few people even know what I’m talking about.

The dating climate is so harsh today that really beta guys have no choice but to get married if they want consistent sex or female company. It takes energy to game women, even for attractive guys like myself, and the guys I see in weddings on Facebook are men that have beta bux literally oozing from their skin. Women can sniff a beta provider out of a crowd of men very easily, her biology requires it. If men dont lift weights and learn game they are vulnerable to being some predatory female’s prey.

The weight gain is the biggest downside of aging women. Now that fat shaming is an actual term, women have no intention on losing weight after the baby. Men are filthy pigs for wanting slim women, while more and more women turn their hypergamy into overdrive, go figure. Rollo said that in order for one sex’s sexual strategy to work, the opposite sex must abandon or compromise theirs. Women are winning the war at the moment.

The worst part is that women who are a full 30 pounds overweight think they are absolute hot shit because they compare themselves to the ‘overweight’ women who are 80-100 pounds overweight. I live in Asia and recently went to a little western friendly restaurant, sat at a table next to a white American 160 pounder..didn’t look her way.. immediately opened the menu and ordered then opened up my kindle to read while waiting. I DID NOT pay attention to this slob at all. I’m in Asia afterall. I see literally 10,000 women a week who are more attractive than this fat asshole next to me. She emphatically turns in the bench we shared to throw her back at me, like “Dude, don’t even TRY to talk to me!” Which I wasn’t. I showed no sign at all. And I wasn’t imagining this act or being overly paranoid/martyrish here either. It was unmistakeable as it put her in a weird and uncomfortable bowing against the booth bench, her left hip taking all the weight. She was also really spastic and tantrum-like when she did it, even snapping a few looks over her shoulder that I could catch while reading. It was a freaking restaurant and that’s where they seated me. But the arrogance coming off of her was like a spouting volcano. Why? Once again, she was a minx-like, sleek 5’5″ 160. Super hot these days. Barf. It’s so hopeless. Just be glad you spotted it. Take your rightful place higher on the food chain. You were smarter.

That’s how skewed the dating market is. She’s stuck up because she probably has dozens of men orbiting her. I’ve been in Chicago the last few months on business and while I would recommend this city for picking up women ( too many hot girls and almost all of them are from party school carousel rider factories in the Midwest and are used to drunk late night sex), there are alot of landwhales throwing the sexual market out of whack. A girl I’ve been banging has a fat friend that gets ALOT of attention. She’s a solid 6 in my book but she meets guys from Tinder and gets asked out more often than any good looking guy would. It takes game and frame for the 8+ girls here and the majority of men dont have either.

I think a lot of it too is women are very impressionable, just look at fashion, even the most ridiculous things women will wear because of their “Lemming” mentality, that being said, I think most women go along with feminism because they are told to, I believe a very very small minority of women actually believe feminism, and the rest just mindlessly follow, this week it’s feminism, next week it’s anti feminism their opinions change like the seasons and fashion trends. I think Feminism exists because the feminist lobby is very Rabid at it’s core, they are ruthless, and they demand to be heard and taken seriously, and over time people have become used to the idea and don’t care to fight it, and the Men who are brought up in traditional homes have not been brought up to deal with feminism, so they are can’t see feminism for the monster it is , and haven’t evolved to dealing with feminism, i’m a traditionalist at heart, but i’ve evolved to deal with the “Modern” situation.

Women certainly are lemmings, but I don’t think women are aware of their own nature. How many young girls actually think they want a nice feminist guy? I would bet that millions of them THINK they would be genuinely happy in a LTR with one, so feminism sounds good on paper. We have learned from other men and countless unfortunate cases that she will be subconsciously anxious, bitchy and unhappy in any relationship with a man that lacks masculinity, no matter how much her conscious brain fancies it a good situation.

So I would say its a mix of ignorance, brainwashing, penis envy, and herd mentality.

Sadly that’s why I get stuck in White Knight mode…I think of wanting to ‘protect’ and care for women who then snap at me because I think they are ‘weak’ (these same women endlessly complain to me they can’t find a guy that isn’t interested in anything other than sitting home playing video games)

Certain women deserve Male Protection, for instance My future wife I’ll protect, but she’ll also be aware of My stance on how I view women, if your hanging out with women who have a chip on their shoulder I suggest you do yourself a favor and find better Broads. The reality is women don’t know a damn thing, they’ll snap at you because they live in a country and Time where women have never faced any kind of Hardships period, let’s see those same women be strong in 3rd world countries and try the “Oh your a Sexist if you think women can’t handle themselves” routine, my guess is that after they arrived in the Morning by Nightfall they’d be assuming their natural Gender roles.

Your very existence and whole life are an insult to the hundreds of thousands of American fighting men who lost their lives fighting the Nazis in WW2, not to mention the millions of lives lost in the war. Take your poison back to American Renaissance, you bacteria infected piece of shit. I am surprised people put up with your bullshit here, maybe it has something to do with free speech. What a disappointment.

Its all free speech and love and rainbows and hands across america for everyone. Unless they disagree with you. Pathetic liberal eunuch.
In case you havent noticed we are legion on this site and many others. Ill comment as I please.

WW2 idiot whites playing soldier for the jews and killing the best people in Europe. If the avarage allied soldier could have seen what the US and Europe would become 70 years later they would have run to join the Axis and fight the Soviets.

But you can feel it though, right?
How its all falling apart now?
You see it all around you now, right?

Tick tock.
Your time is almost fucken up untermensch.

The pendulum is swinging the other way now. I laugh everyday watching you jackals turning on each other.
Soon.
The time approaches.
The cleansing.

What you might consider is that there is a “Red Pill” about WW2 and you haven’t taken it yet. You are opposing it with all the vehemence of a feminist who hears of men who oppose feminism. Your ignorance is not your fault, but you have a lot to learn. Shouting insults and sticking your fingers in your ears are not the way to progress. Why don’t you start by Googling “Ernst Zundel”?

Yeah, i’m not sure where the attacks on Libertarianism is coming from, i’ve always thought libertarians were about freedom and leaned Rightwing like Rand Paul, not sure where the Libertarian hate is coming from I sometimes see here.

I’ve been around the libertarian movement for decades. Libertarianism has a very limited scope — it’s mostly about “leave us the hell alone.” That means the libertarians can have a lot of different views among each other on things like PUA etc. It’s like having a preference for coffee instead of tea. It has nothing to do with libertarianism, other than don’t force us to drink coffee or tea.

Yes, I too am fed up with people misunderstanding Libertarianism, especially the more pompous and dismissive “Neoreactionaries”. Unfortunately, I almost have to agree with them that most so-called Libertarians are no more than pot-smoking socialists, because this is the sad state of comprehension of Libertarianism among the hordes of people calling themselves Libertarians.

-Being yourself will NOT get you laid
-PUA offer men a service which can enable them to get laid
-The manosphere is full of douchbags like this guy, who should be avoided like the plague. The manosphere is starting to get entrenched with white knights and manginas.

Anyone who says “be yourself” has already sold into feminism (plus it doesn’t hurt his book sales). You have to remember that much of society pushes it because it leads to dollars in the end (i.e. books, tv shows, etc…)…or votes.

You should always be looking to improve yourself (in any area) and ignore anyone (like this man) giving you shit advice.

All these psycho-babble gibberish, is always just a way of rationalizing that everything male is bad, and everything female is good. I’m just waiting for them to start telling us that standing up to pee is misogynistic, since they’re already telling us spreading your legs in public transportation is oppressive. Apparently, a woman’s comfort room takes precedence over giving one’s balls air to breathe.

But you did say “asshole me” there, you know? There are so many facets to a person, and, at any given time, some of them in particular are what we’re showing. I don’t think the good “game gurus”advise a guy to pretend to be someone else. I think the idea is to nurture the side that is repressed by society–to develop the facet that will get him laid.

The modifiers should be to “be the person you are meant to be” and “enjoy yourself and the pussy will follow”. Within very limited bounds, being unselfconscious goes a long way towards displaying confidence without being arrogant.

Agree completely. The girls I have kept long and hard on the reserve bench (my word for the ‘harem’)., have been the ones I treated with what would probably be described as asshole game’.

For example. First date, the girl was 5 mins late. SMS’ed her, and she said will be there in 5. I waited 8 mins, then walked and turned off the phone. Got several SMS’s in the next 10 mins asking me where I was, am I coming back. Ignored them all. 18 months later, she is still on the bench texting me to pound her whenever I feel like it.

And the ones who friend-zoned me the quickest, or simply pulled away when I went in for the smooch, are the ones I treated the best. (talked the beta-talk, paid for expensive dinner). But that stopped shortly after starting to read ROK, and learning to stop trying to impress them.

I can remember them all play by play. And to a greater or lesser degree, the more of a nice guy you are, and treat them like a princess, the more they will spurn you.

If you are a naturally buffed, charming alpha, with superb asshole game, then yes… be yourself.

Even the term “asshole” is a bit misleading, as you weren’t necessarily trying to be rude. In this case you are just respecting yourself by not allowing her to disrespect you. You waited 13 minutes, that’s a pretty long time. Leaving showed you are in control of yourself and think you’re high status and if somebody doesn’t respect you then you’re not going to waste time with them.

I’m sure your average western girl would consider it as being a asshole, since they inevitably expect men to cater to their every whim and need. But its a bit different here in China.

But on that incident, the fact that she was 13 mins late didn’t piss me off so much as the fact that she waited till I texted her first, when she was already 5 mins late, to tell me she was going to be more late !

Just reeks of princess syndrome. And no matter how hot a girl is,… as you said, a man should show some self respect and walk !

No man should buy into the idea that they are naturally someone else’s doormat, therapist or ATM. However, a whole generation has been sold on it, and then told to “be themselves”.
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On the other hand, I don’t accept that being self-assertive requires one to be an asshole about it, nor that you have to lie and cheat and steal to make money, nor that might-makes-right is the way that the world is supposed to work. I don’t deny that assholes will get laid, con-men and thieves will get rich, and the powerful will rule simply because they can, but that doesn’t have to be your game.

Being late, or holding you up, is the most basic and common shit test there is. It’s a power play and it’s similar to putting a new puppy on newspaper to induce it to doing it’s business there. I get that a lot of women don’t even know they’re doing it, it’s so pat behavior. But when the guy doesn’t put up with it, the woman is suddenly slammed in the face with his sense of self-respect. Not putting up with lateness is a game changer for most women, and they then they engage in less”female game” and are better to get along with.

In one day at work, I had 3 women come by to see me in the coarse of the day, all 3 I was currently sleeping with. A coworker asked me “how the fuck do you get women like that?” Before I could answer, another guy chimes in “because he rides a motorcycle and he’s an asshole”.

This whole “be an asshole” thing is massively overrated. It´s true that assholes get a lot of vagina but shouldn´t there be a difference between douche and man? A much better tip would be “ignore them”. Being ignored drives the ladies wild and makes them hunting YOU in the end.

Totally ignore them and don´t give a shit about them (still
don´t be an asshole) and sooner or later they will come running for you like horny little puppies. Why? Because every other whimp in the room is trying to hit on her. That´s why she´s going for the mysterious guy in the corner. A nice side effect of this is that it especially works with the hot ones. Average or below average chicks often like being hit on because it´s not happening that much.

Maybe you can´t get laid 25 times in 2 years this way but the quality of women will be more exquisite, guaranteed!

I don’t think it’s really about being an asshole. Women really don’t like or go for assholes.

What they go for is a high value man.. who displays confidence .. and who has options. A lot of guys confuse this with being an asshole, and think being an asshole or jerk is going to get you women. This is horrible advice. Only high status, attractive, tall, good looking alpha men can really get away with asshole behaviour, if indeed we are talking about true asshole and jerk behaviour and not the confidence with a slight sense of cockiness that women find attractive. Old, fat, unattractive, balding and broke men will get nowhere trying to be an asshole with women.. foolishly thinking that it is going to get them laid. They’ll just get laughed at, mocked and rejected by women.

Make sure you understand cause and effect. Women don’t like assholes. They are willing to put up with assholes if he’s high value and attractive enough. Understand that difference. Women will tolerate and would rather put up with a high value, attractive, confident, high status man who is somewhat of an asshole over some unattractive, beta “nice guy” schlub who oozes sexual inexperience and desperation any day of the week. Women only spread their legs for men who they perceive to be high value and attractive, and who other women desire.

not really. I was just amplifying and agreeing with what brotherhoodofvikings was saying in his comment. It’s not about “being an asshole”.. but about being confident, being cool and not chasing after them, and displaying high value.

Listen to what you wrote “only high status men can get away with asshole behavior”. But then if a man displays asshole behavior it follows he must be high status.

Fwiw, my observation tells me that women love asshole behavior, inckuding 100% asshole. The difference is they get run down and exhausted from never ending asshole.

I saw a music video a while back that was very popular among Thai women. In the video, the asshole boyfriend sets his, get this, pregnant girlfriend up to be gang raped by a bunch of thugs in order to pay off a debt. Using Girl Power and Moxie! she manages to escape. This is the last straw and she finally leaves him (he has a sheepish guilty look when she confronts him). Now the last line of the video has her singing “but I still want to love you.”

Do you get it? In her mind, the ability to tolerate all of his asshole behavior is not weakness, it is strength. This isn’t logical, it’s primal. No woman on the planet would make herself look pathetic to other women, ergo, this is strength. By contrast imagine a woman singing about how she would love to be with the class loser. Never happen.

Spiked isn’t a bad site at all generally speaking, although the Gittos article was an unworthy and frankly craven attack. I think this article – which is a hell of a lot better than the Spiked one – has it about right: Gittos has a book out, which positions him against ‘rape hysteria’ but because of that he’s worried about the potential fall-out from his social and professional peers. The Crouch End dinner party dilemma describes it well – Gittos runs the risk of being side-lined if he doesn’t position himself very carefully as someone who criticizes the excesses of feminism, but equally – and of course “even-handedly” condemns PUA/MRAs etc as ‘saddos’. Utterly predictable I’m afraid, with the result that instead of doing the thing that would have been consistent with Spikes professed values and supporting Roosh’s right to address potential audiences wherever he wants, however he wants Gittos effectively tried to do the next best thing to ‘shutting down’ Roosh’s free speech: ridicule. I’m not saying ridicule is censorship, but when someone is at risk of losing their right to free speech then ridiculing them and other similar to them (leaving aside the mis-identifcation of Roosh as an MRA – a probably deliberate distancing error) is close to not supporting their right to free speech. In other words to be consistent with its values Spiked should have got behind ROK full-throatedly and celebrated not only his right to offend but also the manner of offense given. I don’t know maybe, Spiked is worried that feminists would do a Charlie Hebdo on them and turn up at their offices in Balaclavas or something, but whatever the reason it wasn’t Spiked finest hour.

I’d second GoJ’s point though, there is a lot of good stuff on Spiked, and although its take on the manosphere is bourgeois and craven, it remains a site supportive of resistance, even if it is not a site of resistance in itself. Brendan O’Neill gave a great anti-SJW speech at the Oxford Union recently, which is worth looking up if you have the time: there is a particularly delicious moment when he puts a ‘nice girl’ SJW student in her place. Nonetheless Brendan and his gang need to grow a pair of balls when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is.

Yeah. What you are seeing, unfortunately, is a tactic–or pose–that is becoming more and more common, unfortunately. The fence straddler who wants to take issue with “some” of the craziest aspects of feminism without having the honesty to point out the rot at the very core. Nice try, but we all know what you get when you mix clean water with dirty water.

Yeah, and you’re dead on with your comments about the Alinksy-esque use of ridicule here. I think if you’re talking about true censorship, this type of ridicule is tantamount to opposing free discourse. He wants to shut the ROK-ers down without truly engaging them in logical debate, like a man. It’s disgusting, and Spiked should be ashamed.

“Be yourself”? Heres what happened to a guy I know just “being himself”:

He lost his below-market rate apartment, had to move in with a woman, two bedroom apartment. Virtual stranger. A few months in, she starts whining about how hard it is to get a green card, beta schlub feels pity. FWB situations ensues, he marries he “because he feels sorry for her.” A few more months go by, they start fighting, and he says its time for me to leave. What does she do? She calls the cops, he is “abusive”. He got served with a restraining order. From what I vaguely remember reading(and from what he recently researched), the formula for a fast track greencard, depending on the state, is X amount of months + “claiming abuse”. She has been provided free legal counsel by the way- all at taxpayer expense. Will he have to pay out-of-pocket for his lawyer? I dont know.
I hope this Spiked editor reads this comment..

Maybe he’s not terribly sanguine about the prospects of men reclaiming their proper place in American culture and so he’s trying to hedge his bets, lest the fembeasts succeed in holding the citadel. Yes, that is rather dramatically stated with undue flourish, but fuck it, I’m home on a Friday night, bored out of my fucking skull.

“Men complaining about problems caused by other men and blaming it on feminism somehow.”

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It’s men complaining about problems caused by other men BECAUSE OF WOMEN and blaming it on feminism because they were SUPPOSED to own up to stuff like a man (cuz they said they wanted eeekwaliteee) but they didn’t cuz they’re women.

MRAs = “merry band of saddos.”

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Well, if the popularity of certain atrociously written dreck is a decent social barometer then they should get along with women just fine.

It’s men complaining about problems caused by other men BECAUSE OF WOMEN’S MANIPULATIONS. Women know that they have power of the pussy to make these thirsty men to do just about anything. What we are angry about is women abusing that power for their own enrichment and not for the greater good of society. Instead, it is stripping away the rights of others and the detriment of civilization. It’s just selfishness.

“Just be yourself” is code for “stop improving your fighting position.” A warrior should always be improving his fighting position. “Just being yourself” in terms of women is the same as saying, “well, fuck it. It’s war and I might die anyway so I won’t add extra armor to my HMMWV.”

What the fuck is a “cuckservative?” The definition seems to be anyone who doesn’t toe the party line on literally everything ROK stands for. Sounds an awful lot like terms the feminists use like “mansplaining” and “check your privilege.”

You know, because they have some stupid nickname for anyone who doesn’t toe the feminist party line.

I think “cuckservative” is excellent shorthand for Republican sellouts. If you talk till you’re blue in the face about how important national security is, wrap yourself in the stars and stripes, and then bow obediently to a foreign power while sacrificing American blood and treasure and putting U.S. citizens at risk–like nearly every prominent Republican–you’re a cuckservative, and a traitor. Many feel that most Republicans are cuckservatives on immigration, because they are selling out the American people at the behest of both the Plutocrats and the special interest groups. It’s a great term, if you’re consistent in your application of it.

In this case, the term “sexual cuckservative” seems to have been coined to describe someone who pretends to criticize feminism–but who is, in fact, fighting alongside the feminists in their bid to silence people who dare to speak the truth on gender relations.

Back in the day I was also a skeptic of game. I used to say to myself (reinforced by my parents) “women just want to be treated with respect and kindness”. What did that get me. A few sexless years in college. My revelation came when I was being a complete asshole to a chick in a bar and later that night I not only banged her twice in one night, but then she called me the next day asking me to come on over. Damn that was one heck of an awakening.

I’m absolutely sure that I have had sex with more beautiful women than this Spiked twit, that I’ve given more actual orgasms to women already than he ever will, that I could beat the shit out of him with one hand tied behind my back, and that I would crush him in a juried debate.

Here’s the difference: He goes public with his carefully crafted positions, whereas I tell the unvarnished truth under the cloak of anonymity. I’m rooting for Roosh, but I worry about his chances. I admire Roosh’s bravery, but I don’t subscribe to any code of honor that would obligate me to martyr myself to a mob of vicious, anti-intellectual airheads. This Spiked guy is, essentially, just another careerist charlatan who thinks he’s found an angle.

The Neocons are Trotskyites who changed their costume. Look it up. I mention this because, though it pains me to say it, for all its virtues, Spiked will always be the post-bankruptcy incarnation of “Living Marxism” which was originally launched as the journal of the British Revolutionary Communist Party. How sad and ironically cringeworthy it is to read their original mission statement today:

“We live in an age of caution and conformism, when critical opinions can be outlawed as ‘extremism’ and anything new can be rubbished as ‘too risky’. Ours is an age of low expectations, when we are always being told what is bad for us, and life seems limited on all sides by restrictions, guidelines and regulations.

The spirit of LM is to go against the grain: to oppose all censorship, bans and codes of conduct; to stand up for social and scientific experimentation; to insist that we have the right to live as autonomous adults who take responsibility for our own affairs. These are basic human values that cannot be compromised if we are ever going to create a world fit for people.”

Marxism originally was a labor movement that appealed to the populist, married working and married man and opposed women’s equality in the workplace because it deflated wages.

50 years later, as “Archie Bunkers” rejected socialism because it was revealed to ultimately lead to Stalinism, the Stalinists cleverly threw their working class male electorate under the bus to be replaced with man hating feminists, welfare recipients and anti-white race entitlement seekers. In other words, scum. Leftists are scum.

I’ve only been following ROK since early this year, and it wasn’t the prospect of pick-up advice that brought me here. In the last eight months I’ve been reading articles, occasionally dropping by RVF, watching vids of Roosh, and attended the Toronto leg of his world tour. While the word “bang” is firmly associated with Roosh, whatever his early infamy, he doesn’t seem to self identify nor primarily come across as a PUA. Plus to put him in the same sentence as Julian Blanc seems rather insulting.
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He certainly is not an MRA as his focus seems more to change minds than change laws. He has even been criticized from the MRA camp along MGTOW lines because – *gasp* – he actually seems to like the idea of having a woman in his life.
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I can forgive Ezra Levant for a mischaracterization because he actually let Roosh clarify his own thoughts and position. However, the critical monologues that come from within an echo chamber lose all credibility when they display a decided ignorance of what is actually being discussed, at least circa 2015.

I wish I had gone to his world tour in DC to ask him directly but from what I have read, he does seem to hold a lot of MRA positions and sees things in terms of PUA. He bangs a lot of nice women in Poland and no doubt has walked away from a lot of women who would have made fantastic wives. Was Roosh fully up-front with these women as to his intentions? I sincerely doubt it. The PUA’s have been part of the problem all along since they have provided, even if unintentionally, moral justification for the feminist position that most men want to fuck and dump and this justifies hypergamy on their part.

The MRAs agree that things suck and the whole manosphere tends to gripe about many of the same issues but the methods and solutions are different. Game is a reaction and a coping mechanism in response to women’s attitude and not the other way around.
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Yes, you would have to ask Roosh directly about why he hasn’t settled down with a nice Polish girl but you have to admit that virtually zero guys will announce to a girl they just met that they are looking for wife material, and be sincere about that.

I would say that basic game is a good idea for men in general in dealing with negotiating a starting salary, for instance. It’s one of the many factors behind the so-called “wage gap” that feminists and leftists often prattle about. Women are accustomed to being approached and dealing out rejection which is why they’re so unprepared for a job interview where the tables are turned.

I personally accounted to my future wife I was looking for marriage material and we’re going on 11 years now. I don’t think the conversation was “How about we get married now?” but rather that I was looking for a pleasant, trustworthy woman to start a family someday with. Most of our courtship dates were “activity” dates that involved little money and were low pressure.

I suspect that most (younger) guys meet up with women and don’t say anything; the topic of long-term commitment doesn’t arise at all. In my experience, when it does come up it is in the abstract because most people deep down do want to eventually settle down with a partner and have a family, but then they fall into bed and fuck like rabbits and the unspoken understanding is that they aint the one.
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The discussion came up with the first woman I met in Shanghai. I specifically told her that I didn’t want to get into a physical relationship unless it was going somewhere and she told me she felt the same. Loe and behold we end up in bed waking up the neighbours, but shortly thereafter she is off to a different city and cuts off communication with me (with the punchline being that I stumbled across her Facebook page a year and a half later and she was married to some other white guy and had a baby). One or two experiences like that, especially at a young age, could be enough to make a guys say “fuck it” and deploy game without any long term considerations.

Feminism is a product of white knight manginas just as obesity is a product of an unhealthy lifestyle. It’s the great paradox of our modern era that feminism is a notion of women being oppressed by western chivalrous men and this oppression can only be fixed by the women crying for “equality” provided via goodies from western chivalrous men. It’s like the damsel in distress crying for the white knight to rescue her from himself.

What man who makes a reasonable living off of writing articles for spike or other publications wants to go on record and poke the Bear of the major orthodoxy of this time? It’s like someone trying to tell King Arthur that his wife is a cheating whore.

There should be a board game invented like the old ‘Battleship’ game where the game pieces are pussies and dicks. Women cooperate with each other practicing ‘pussy communism’ when it comes to encircling or sinking a dick. Mgtow dicks would lose the board game by default if they didn’t align themselves to break the pussy blockades. Sure the game screams ‘rape’ on every level to the sjw’s. Lone mgtow’s fill the waters as decoys. SOME cooperation among dicks might require some form of collectivism, not necessarily ‘dick communism’ but a put on show or ruse of sharing the pussy scraps, then snapping up dominion of the pussy by the masters. Like when a lay up in basketball confuses who’s pre ordained to posess the ball or a couple of dudes winging the social scenario encirclnng a hot firecracker when the designated guy goes for the scoop. It’s cooperation. The woman finds out in the end which set of charming eyeballs comes with a set of lowballs.

Perhaps Gittos does something that many men have done: Taken 1/2 of a red pill. He criticizes the excesses of feminism, but doesn’t want to go all the way and actually become an MRA or consider the inevitable: That women’s equality, even basic equality, is the cause of all this mess.

Regarding criticism of dating apps and embracing rejection. Gumbril advocates cold approaches and that this is necessary to restore masculinity but if that was the case, then how did we get to this point? On the contrary, the reason why Roosh likes to poach around Poland is because women there are far more friendly and flirtatious than American women who have tended to play “hard to get” and maximize rejection pain for men. Gumbril advocates “manning up” which is a shaming ploy that has tricked many a beta male into becoming a sexual beggar.

Consider that women waiting to be cold approached lack social skills and this is why they are the most harshest of rejectors: Without having experienced rejection themselves or taken an initiative via a dating app, they lack empathy for men going through rejection. On the contrary, they engage in “shit tests”/”man up” to demand men live up to impossible standards.

Also, advocating a majority of men to be “PUA” or cold approachers makes the problem worse rather than better: Women that had started to take an active role in finding men become evermore passive and hostile towards approaches from men.

All that said, “manning up” in a good way means accepting controlled risk and rejection and finding ways to improve oneself as well as to demand more from women and society around them. Nothing wrong with all of that. Fundamental observation: I met more pretty, good hearted Polish women in online chat 10 years ago in a day than a year of street approaches and harsh rejection in the states.

Lots of PUA’s use online resources including the eminent Dawson Stone. Bottom line: Women need to take more of a responsibility in their lives (but not most of it because, hey, they are women after all) and pandering to them to get laid, even effectively, always makes things harder in the long run.

The original Libertarian movement has been hijacked by main stream Cucksurvatines, prime example is when the Koch Brothers call themselves Libertarians and they are not even in the closest galaxy to what Libertarian ideology is all about.

Recently Jeb (Illuminati Bitch) Bush said “I have Libertarian blood running in my veins!”, I laughed out so loud my co-worker though I had lost my mind.

They just hate us.They are part of a cultural jewish marxists machine to take down white males and turn them into slaves and finally get rid of them.They hate our superior genes.They hate even competition.And their shabbes goyim hate us because we dont want to be their slaves and jewish tools.They hate us because we want to fight.They hate us having white kids.Its a fight for existence and we and they know it.And i welcome their hatred.We will see who will prevail.

He’s bashing Roosh so he can present himself as evenhanded and reasonable.

In other words he is both a cuckservative and he is somebody who doesn’t understand how he left operates.

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