my waist size is about 30 and I went with the 27 PS's. They're very tight but I have confidence they'll stretch out and be ok withing 10+ wearings. If you can button them up fine, they're going to be too big.

also, if you need more thigh room and light a bit less taper, there's the newer Petite New Standard too

Anyone have experience with both the APC "black denim" (priced $210) and the APC "black raw denim" (priced $185)? I'd imagine the raw denim stretches a bit more and fades a bit more, but I may be way off on that.

my waist size is about 30 and I went with the 27 PS's. They're very tight but I have confidence they'll stretch out and be ok withing 10+ wearings. If you can button them up fine, they're going to be too big.

also, if you need more thigh room and light a bit less taper, there's the newer Petite New Standard too

These are my size 27 PS after 2 weeks of solid wear(excuse the crappy photos, couldn't take better ones). Denim has softened up a lot, stretching is minimal but definitely making progress. Still I feel like I should have went for the 28s, even if these stretch out nicely I fear they may become super skinny when the time comes to wash them. I really don't know, what do you guys think?

I need some advice. These are PNS size 32 and my true waist is 33. I tried sizing down two but it was way too tight but how does sized down one look? I've worn these for about a day so will they stretch more? Should I just scrap the whole PNS fit and go with NS?

agreed... you're not exactly heavy set, but the skinny stacked look doesn't seem to go well with your proportions. NS will probably fit you better. Might need to go down quite a bit. If your actual measured waist size is 33, then 31 is starting fit of where you want to end up, meaning you should try a 30 for a slim fit or for a tighter fit a 29.

I dont understand how any of you can size down. I'm skinny. 6' tall 140lbs with a 29inch waist and long lanky 33.5" legs/inseam. I've been wearing a true to size NS for about 6 months and has no stretched out anywhere close to enough to be too big on me. Before that I had a pair of true to size NC which were worn for a year and a half they also never stretched out to be too big on me. This whole concept of sizing down 2-3 sizes is ridiculous in my opinion. For the people buying online without a chance to try on, I'd strongly suggest buying your tagged size and then moving from there. If it helps, Context Clothing (a large online APC retailer) does not suggest sizing down.

I dont understand how any of you can size down. I'm skinny. 6' tall 140lbs with a 29inch waist and long lanky 33.5" legs/inseam. I've been wearing a true to size NS for about 6 months and has no stretched out anywhere close to enough to be too big on me. Before that I had a pair of true to size NC which were worn for a year and a half they also never stretched out to be too big on me. This whole concept of sizing down 2-3 sizes is ridiculous in my opinion. For the people buying online without a chance to try on, I'd strongly suggest buying your tagged size and then moving from there. If it helps, Context Clothing (a large online APC retailer) does not suggest sizing down.

At TTS 36, every pair of raw denim I have owned has stretched meaningfully... I sized down on my new APC New Standard to 34, which has already shown noticeable stretching after three wears. 36 would have been too big from the get go and 35 would have gotten big.

This whole concept of sizing down 2-3 sizes is ridiculous in my opinion. For the people buying online without a chance to try on, I'd strongly suggest buying your tagged size and then moving from there.

I think Nordstrom carrying the line has probably helped a lot of people in this regard. For what it's worth, jeans won't stretch if you don't force them to, why would they? Personally I like to buy them sized down and let them stretch out to a molded fit rather than just letting them kind of fit. Context is wrong.

For the people buying online without a chance to try on, I'd strongly suggest buying your tagged size and then moving from there. If it helps, Context Clothing (a large online APC retailer) does not suggest sizing down.