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14.2% if the world population is white and shrinking. The white world as we know it will slowly darken and eventually look like the real Arabic Jesus instead of the bearded white hippy Jim Mortison Jesus

14.2% if the world population is white and shrinking. The white world as we know it will slowly darken and eventually look like the real Arabic Jesus instead of the bearded white hippy Jim Mortison Jesus

Well 33.85% of the world population is Caucasian, but I wasn't talking about race.

I was talking culture, religion, politics, and the eventual end of Per & Co.

14.2% if the world population is white and shrinking. The white world as we know it will slowly darken and eventually look like the real Arabic Jesus instead of the bearded white hippy Jim Mortison Jesus

Well 33.85% of the world population is Caucasian, but I wasn't talking about race.

I was talking culture, religion, politics, and the eventual end of Per & Co.

Yup trying to make every conversation about racism in a duplicitous attempt to gain the moral high ground...

Well, we are talking about the Sweden Democrats, and one of the main problems most people have with them is that they are very concerned with race. Hard to not talk about racism when you talk about them.

Now, let me just try this out. When you think of Swedes, is it possible that you would include Börje Salming in this category?

If so, our deputy speaker, and the party secretary of the Sweden Democrats, begs to differ:

Sweden’s general election is just a month away, and the deputy speaker of the Swedish parliament has this summer repeated his claim that Jewish and Sami people are not Swedes. Björn Söder, of the far-right Sweden Democrats party – which is currently polling at a record 20%, just behind the ruling Social Democrats – first made the claim in a newspaper interview four years ago, to widespread condemnation.

This time he posted his comment on the Facebook page of the opposition liberal Centre party – an act that has been denounced as “a provocation” by other Swedish politicians.

Now, you may not know this, but Börje Salming, the great Swedish hockey hero, who paved the way for Swedes in the NHL, is a proud member of the Sami minority.

Salming was born on 17 April 1951 in the village of Salmi, Jukkasjärvi församling, in Kiruna near Torneträsk. His father, Erland, was of Sami origin, while his mother, Karin, was Swedish. His paternal grandfather Anders Nikolaus had the surname of Saari, but changed to Salming after the village that he and his father (Börje's great-grandfather) had built up. His father was a mineworker and died in an accident in the mine when Salming was 5 years old. He is proud of his Sami heritage, and wears a traditional Sami pewter bracelet.[2][3] He is the first person of Sami origin to play in a top North American professional sports league.

Mattias Karlsson, the party’s chief ideologist, once said that the “body language” of the country’s most famous footballer, Zlatan Ibrahimovic – his father is a Muslim who fled Bosnia – didn’t come across as Swedish, and neither did the way Ibrahimovic “talks, acts and speaks”. Karlsson has dismissed Söder’s critics as “cosmopolites”. That expression will be familiar to anyone who knows at least a little about the history of antisemitism. But Karlsson uses it without blinking.

I assure you, it is very much about race.

Now, if you choose to defend them, and then say "it's not about race", I have to conclude that either you don't know what you are talking about or that you are being obtuse on purpose.

Granted, I can accept that quite likely a lot of their voters are not necessarily racist, but just fed up with the traditional parties, but the party itself, its roots and its ideology are definitely racist. Which is why none of the other parties will even consider cooperating with them.

Some more examples:

On this side you have people who are 100% human…” said the Sweden Democratic politician Martin Strid at this years party congress, friday november 24, “…and on this side we have people who are 100% Mahommedan”. He helpfully held up his hands to illustrate the two things you could be according to him: wholly human on the one hand and wholly Muslim on the other – all live on state television.

(Swedish TV have since been reprimanded for not distancing themselves from his hate speech)

the most notable one is the so called “Iron Pipe scandal” which is almost too fantastical to be believed; several members from what at the time was the party leadership called a Swedish comedian of Kurdish extraction a “baboon”, a woman defending him “a whore” and a “wog lover” and, perhaps most absurdly, filmed themselves getting iron pipes to beat the comedian with after the altercation.

Yup trying to make every conversation about racism in a duplicitous attempt to gain the moral high ground...

Well, we are talking about the Sweden Democrats, and one of the main problems most people have with them is that they are very concerned with race. Hard to not talk about racism when you talk about them.

Yeahno, I was talking about you implying that I am racist (due to the Muslim twins pic).

I have already agreed with you that the SDs are racist (where I said "Okay you win, I guess Sweden is going Nazi").

I never said I support the SDs, rather I have pointed out that the popularity of the SDs proves there are major problems in Sweden.

(from the beginning I have said you are in denial about said problems, starting with the Frank Drebin gif)

I have also stated that I am in favour of the Muslims eventually replacing the atheists/heathens in Sweden!

(more proof that I don't support the SDs and something one would think a guy like you should construe as non-racism)

WAKE UP! You have been brainwashed into swallowing the new "progressive" attitude that anti-liberalism equates to racism.

WAKE UP! You have been brainwashed into swallowing the new "progressive" attitude that anti-liberalism equates to racism.

Can you spin the famous "There were fine people on both sides" quote?

TRUMP: Excuse me, excuse me. (inaudible) themselves (inaudible) and you have some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were (only) there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

Remember, not everyone that attended the rally were white supremacists.

Trump also said there were very bad people on both sides. (truth)

Trump has condemned racism many times, but that doesn't stop the libs from trying to spin him as a racist...