The play test is up in the air, hoping this weekend when I have a day off but I'm being dragged see my sister's new place and my next day off after that is a Tuesday so GW will be closed. So in short I have no idea.

problem with reclusiarch instead of a librarian w/ unleash rage is that a reclusiarch only allows rerolls to hit with Litanies of Hate (Liturgies of Blood) when his unit charges. Unleash Rage gives you preferred enemy on turn you assault OR in opponent's turn.

And for same price as vanilla reclusiarch the librarian has a jump pack so can keep up with asasult squads...Admittedly where the librarian falls down is lesser WS and no inv save...but you could have him at mastery level 2, shield of sanguinius and unleash rage...

It's the Reclusiarch's BS that is higher. They both have WS5. Even then though the Reclusiarch is simply a place holder; given how their breaking the codex updates I'll bet I can make a mean (even by Grey Knight Standards) CC monster.

Corennus wrote:And for same price as vanilla reclusiarch the librarian has a jump pack so can keep up with asasult squads...Admittedly where the librarian falls down is lesser WS and no inv save...but you could have him at mastery level 2, shield of sanguinius and unleash rage...

Actually the reclusiarch has one more wound, BS5, 4++, higher Initiative, rerolls to hit rolls (and to wound rolls if attached to DC, not only 1s), has one more attack and makes his squad fearless. Much better character in CC and shooting.

On the other hand the librarian is only a GKSS with 2 wounds and WS5 (for 5 times its price). Granted Psychic powers are great but the BA Librarian is just too fragile. It cannot hold ground against any CC unit (and folds like wet paper in Challenges), not even light infantry, his shooting is not great and you need 50 points more to make him actually useful (Epistolary). What makes the Librarian an auto include is its points cost, but that was in 5th. 6th demands HQs to be more resilient and buff your army in several ways. The librarian can only support your army with psychic powers.

i agree with brother donfer, the reclusiarch brings more to the table than the libby in addition to beeing tougher in general. that the libby has no acces to a invul other than beeing in terminator armor wich slows him down by a lot really hurts this list.

a benefit the reclusiarch also got is beeing able to get melta bombs. it may not sound much to have a single melta bomb in a unit with 2 meltas in it but if a enemy walker for example gets the charge on you that melta bomb can become quiet handy and 5 points aint that much considering you save more points with the reclusiarch.

vehicles may not be that much played anymore but some viable anti armour options are always a boon especially if out of nowhere a mech force shows up and you are not really "prepared" for it.

btw, brother corennus: does the edit function not work or why are there so many posts of you one after another in short time?with that the new system everything odd thing is possible

Man looking back at my last post I realized I was more tired then I thought. Let me clarify the last part sense Souba and DonFer took care of the first part. Thanks guys!

I've been looking at the new Dark Angel Codex, and looking over some of their Chapter Relics my reaction:

One in particular stands out. Mace of Redemption. Str+3 Ap3, Melee, Concussive, Blind, Bane of Traitors (its AP becomes 2 if going against anything from the Codex: Chaos Space Marines). So with a pistol that's 5 Str7 AP3/2 attacks on the charge. According to my math fully decking out the Company Master with Artificer Plate, A Shiny Mace, Plasma Pistol, Digital Weapons, Melta Bombs and a Jump Pack, Comes out to 185 points. And he confers Fearless and Preferred Enemy Chaos Space Marine to his Squad. Same points and even better in CC then a Reclusiarch.

So my brain starts ticking "Ok Dark Angels are more balanced between melee and shooting. So if they gave Dark Angels this kind of assault capability, then what are they going to do with Blood Angels, who are melee oriented?"

Bundle all that up and simply put when the Blood Angels codex gets updated sometime in the future (hopefully not years out. That's a long time to sit with a stand in) Generic Blood Angels Characters are going to become utter beasts in CC, even against Grey Knights. Granted all our guys need is 1 wound to kill. Yay Force Weapon rules.

Dark Angels are definitely much more tooled up than the old BA Codex, with the benefit of being the first Marine codex written exclusively for 6th ed. But BA always bounce back!

I found an old WD magazine that had the 4th ed codex updates for BA. back then Death Company were Elites, and didn't take up Force Organisation slots.....so who know what the 6th ed BA codex may be like.

Only thing is, we'll have to wait a while for new BA codex cause a few other chapters are due an update before them (Black Templars, Space Marines, Space Wolves.......)

The sniper squad hangs back in a ruin near the rear of the board. their job being to see how much their rifles can take out infantry. The two 5 man scout squads deploy closer to the enemy. Their job is simple. survive long enough to bring in a MASSIVE death company down on the heads of the enemy.

The death company is simple. A massive wave of black to sweep aside anything and allow the assault squads to claim objectives (or the surviving scouts)