Unfortunately, I'd have to say no. This is a Wi-Fi tournament, but maybe another will be done on Shoddy Battle some other time. It could be possible that the battle is simply recorded on a camera, but it really depends on the finalists.

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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:12 pm

Medichamrulez

Dragon Tamer

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I have a question about the ubers list: why arent some of the most annoying and powerful ones, like salamence, flygon, dragonite, and lucario, on the ubers? i hate it when people have a team full of overused pokemon with starters and legendaries, but I perfer to train regular pokemon, like weavile, gardevoir, *snicker* and medicham. why are the overused pokemon not on the ban list? by the way, BLISSEY SHOULD SOOOO BE BANNED.

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Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:58 am

tiger10x

Gym Leader

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A Pokemon being overused does not make it an uber. Ubers are the most powerful and hardest Pokemon to stop. They generally have large stat totals and deadly options. Blissey, for example, may have huge HP and great Special Defense, but it is easily stopped when faced with a good physical sweeper. Wobbuffet on the other hand, does not have many good stats or even a big movepool, but its HP, Shadow Tag, and Encore can stop almost any normal Pokemon. It does not have any "true" counters. Dragonite, Salamence, Lucario, and Flygon would not be on the same level as Deoxys or Mewtwo.

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Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:05 pm

Sapphirath

Pokemon Ranger

Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 amPosts: 627Location: Singapore

A question....what IVs are considered Illegal? Or rather, what IVs are legal? Also, how can we be sure that an opponent doesn't cheat? And er....how can we be sure that a person has cheated when there are no referees or observers? (Witnesses) Only the person who battled can know but what can that person do without proof? The one who cheated won't just admit it right?

tiger10x wrote:

The Sleep Clause is one of the most impossible clauses to enforce, so I chose not to include it. If you put two of your opponent's Pokemon to sleep, you can't just "undo" the move or suddenly stop because that constitutes an immediate forfeit or something.

I agree with Faceless on his views....many people like me like to abuse the moves of Pokemon....without the sleep clause, many people will just bring in Brelooms and Spore all the opponent's Pokemon to sleep and slowy take them out with Focus Punch....for these matches to be fair I strongly suggest that the Sleep clause be implemented.

I have a question about the ubers list: why arent some of the most annoying and powerful ones, like salamence, flygon, dragonite, and lucario, on the ubers? i hate it when people have a team full of overused pokemon with starters and legendaries, but I perfer to train regular pokemon, like weavile, gardevoir, *snicker* and medicham. why are the overused pokemon not on the ban list? by the way, BLISSEY SHOULD SOOOO BE BANNED.

Umm...huh? Flygon isn't even OU and you want it to be uber? And Weavile is one of the best phys sweepers in the game. Medicham is one of the best phys sweepers as well.

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Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:15 pm

DNA

Trivia Champion

Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:37 pmPosts: 3168Location: clegavel

tiger10x wrote:

A Pokemon being overused does not make it an uber. Ubers are the most powerful and hardest Pokemon to stop. They generally have large stat totals and deadly options. Blissey, for example, may have huge HP and great Special Defense, but it is easily stopped when faced with a good physical sweeper. Wobbuffet on the other hand, does not have many good stats or even a big movepool, but its HP, Shadow Tag, and Encore can stop almost any normal Pokemon. It does not have any "true" counters. Dragonite, Salamence, Lucario, and Flygon would not be on the same level as Deoxys or Mewtwo.

Indeed. Those Pokemon are hard battlers, but combat it with the right thing (EQ for Lucario, CC for Blissey ugh, Ice Beam for the others), and they'll fall like a rock.
However, as has been said on the other hand, Deoxys and Mewtwo are hard to stop. Even though Deoxys usually has abysmal defense stats, the Attack form is usually preferred, and because of it being in the top class of sweepers (even enough to be mixed), it's hard to stop once the momentum's up. As for Mewtwo, it can just pile the hurt and use Recover if it's endangered. In short, an uber is something that's hard to take down quickly. (Deoxys, above the others, has the potential to sweep a whole team and never get hit.)
Also, Flygon? I don't get it; that thing pales to Garchomp and, as Kol said, Weavile. Metagross is up high on that list too, though. (You people should never forget Metagross.)
However, I do hate Blissey with a passion because of that...

The Sleep Clause is one of the most impossible clauses to enforce, so I chose not to include it. If you put two of your opponent's Pokemon to sleep, you can't just "undo" the move or suddenly stop because that constitutes an immediate forfeit or something.

But it's a standard clause because it's extremely easy to enforce and makes things go a lot smoother. Most competitive battlers assume it's in effect when building teams.

I mean there aren't any sleep inducing moves that do anything but inflict sleep, effect spore/rest don't count for obvious reasons. So, really yes it's just as easy as saying you forfeit for breaking the rules.

I guess if you want to enforce the rules without canceling the match there'd be a problem, so I get where you're coming from. It's just I think more people would complain over scarf hypnosis, spore, and weird sleep talk battles than d'oh some guy didn't read the rules and had to forfeit one match and go to the loser's bracket.

I hope more serious battlers like sapp say something before everyone without a sleep counter gets in trouble.

I see how OHKO and Evasion Clauses are in effect, but why do you want the Sleep Clause in effect? You can actually use some stragety from making your opponent go to sleep.

For example, say I use either Hypnosis or Yawn on one of my opponent's pokes. Eventually, it sleeps. I switch my poke with another poke and use Focus Punch to make a dent in the sleeping poke or KO it.

All OHOK, Evasion and Sleep Clauses are annoying and unfair to people. That's why they would be in effect.

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Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:25 pm

FaceLess

Ace Trainer

Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:59 pmPosts: 399

undertaker wrote:

I see how OHKO and Evasion Clauses are in effect, but why do you want the Sleep Clause in effect? You can actually use some stragety from making your opponent go to sleep.

For example, say I use either Hypnosis or Yawn on one of my opponent's pokes. Eventually, it sleeps. I switch my poke with another poke and use Focus Punch to make a dent in the sleeping poke or KO it.

Because it's Very luck based, it's entirely possible to put anyting (barring crappy insomnia pokemon) the opponent uses to sleep and it becomes, "will he wake up in time?" Or "Will sleep talk choose the right move?" Instead of a real battle, same reason double team is banned and ohko is banned.

I understand you're point of using Hypnosis/Sleep Talk. However, using Yawn gives the opponent one extra chance to move their poke the heck out of dodge. From your standpoint, you will still generally have to let one poke go to sleep cause' I can still use Yawn once you switch out, until you kill my poke by hitting its weak spot. By then, I would at least kill (or fatatly injure) one poke in the middle of the mess.

Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:32 pm

tiger10x

Gym Leader

Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:37 amPosts: 603Location: ...wuszat?

undertaker, if you're trying to promote why having Sleep Clause off can be good, you're only supporting your opposers.

I will say this again: Sleep Clause is not in effect. I understand everyone's reasons why it should or shouldn't be included. However, it is much more beneficial to listen to unimportant disputes as to why it's in or not than to put up with complaints over places when it was broken, especially if it was unintentional. Wi-Fi battles do not automatically disable moves that would cause a second Pokemon to fall asleep. With that in mind, what would you do if you used Spore or Yawn when you thought your opponent would wake up instead of switch out? Or better yet, what if you used such a move by accident? Either side creates disputes, and I've actually dealt with both of them before. If a tournament is on something like NetBattle, this isn't even bothered with; you just do it. With Wi-Fi, it isn't like that. Perhaps if another tournament was done on Shoddy Battle, it would be included.

Further discussion about Sleep Clause will be deleted as soon as I or another mod gets around to it. For now, please put up with it.

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Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:08 pm

Sapphirath

Pokemon Ranger

Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 amPosts: 627Location: Singapore

So what kind of IVs are considered Legal?

Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:32 pm

JsXtm

Gym Leader

Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:34 pmPosts: 2200Location: Madison, WI

Sapphirath wrote:

So what kind of IVs are considered Legal?

Legit ones.

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Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:29 am

thekiller0703

Pokemon Ranger

Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:19 pmPosts: 693Location: On the left side of the street... Take THAT Society!

lol

Basically, you can't hack IV's period. IDK what the rules are here, but as long as it looks like you didn't hack (4 31's and an egg move and nature is a bit suspicious, but not unheard of) you won't get on anyone's bad side.

i have a question.
i have quite a few shinies from trading over WiFi and i was just wondering, if i used them and t turned out they were hacked but i did not know , and they had normal stats would i be disqualified?
im asking because i have a shiny cresselia that i got from a trade from someone here on psypoke and they say its legit and i had planned on EV training it to participate.
also, are clones allowed?
and i had also planned on using my LEGIT shiny jolteon aswell so i was just worried if people might accuse me of cheating for having them shiny.
and 1 more thing. by the roster thingy, does that mean you pick 6 pokemon to enter and then for every battle you pick 4 to use?
thanks

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Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:06 am

magikoopa

question

so wide lens fall under accuracy clause

Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:51 pm

tiger10x

Gym Leader

Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:37 amPosts: 603Location: ...wuszat?

Topic updated in general.

Wide Lens is not banned by the Evasion Clause. I've edited the description.

All other previous questions' answers can now be found in the first post.

Basically, you can't hack IV's period. IDK what the rules are here, but as long as it looks like you didn't hack (4 31's and an egg move and nature is a bit suspicious, but not unheard of) you won't get on anyone's bad side.

Of course, if you have 5 or 6 31's as a known AR user, than...

I've breed quad perfect with egg moves. I isn't that hard, it just requires a couple things. One being great parents, the other being no life.

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I couldn't remember the time needed, so I went back to look and it wasn't on the page so I'm gonna ask what time is it? Also, I would like to recommend that if the person dosen't show up within a 5 minute span, she/he would be eliminated. This way we don't sit around waiting forever on them. Just a suggestion.

Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:58 am

Treeckoluv

Pokemon Ranger

Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:31 pmPosts: 892Location: In your kitchen, holding a knife. And it's not for the vegetables...

I have a quick question.
Would a move such as muddy water be banned because it has a chance of lowering acuracy?

Evation clause usually means that YOU can lower your opponents stats, but you can't raise your' own (evation). USUALLY, keep in mind I am not the final authority...

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Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:22 pm

tiger10x

Gym Leader

Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:37 amPosts: 603Location: ...wuszat?

Muddy Water is technically banned by my description, along with Octazooka. In that respect however, would you really use either of those over Surf? Lowering an opponent's accuracy is comparable to raising your evasion. However, most opponents would switch out to recover accuracy changes, but since that's impossible if some people don't have another Pokemon to switch out to (or are trapped), than they'll complain about it being unfair, etc. Because your Double Teams can't be repaired by your opponent switching and people don't want to bother with Haze or Foresight-like moves, it became a special clause. It makes the game a lot more luck than skill if neither side can or does remove the effect.

The date is still December 28. I made it a bit more clear in the first post again.

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Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:25 pm

Sapphirath

Pokemon Ranger

Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 amPosts: 627Location: Singapore

One question, can we have 2 of the same type of Pokemon in our Roster but use only one of them during battles? This is because Movesets, EVs, Natures and Items change according to different ways of playing....this may allow a little flexibility so that we can choose between different versions of a same Pokemon to better suit our needs.

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