I’m revising this post that was intended as a place for people to give their own responses, as Inge’s story seems to satisfy that function. The new material starts after the video and the photo.

Here’s what the President had to say about today’s shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Add your own thoughts in the meantime.

Within the past couple of hours, the Governor of Connecticut finally held his press conference — he is by all appearances is a decent and grieving man — and what he said was that the most important thing that people could do at the moment was to pray.

I disagree.

And I hasten to add: I don’t mean to express my disagreement as disrespect towards prayer. I am, as I’ve said before, “unfashionably religious,” by which I mean that my hunch is that there is something more to our existence than the material world and that if there is something beyond the material world then it may well be tied into aspects of our individual and collective morality and purpose. I have no problem with atheists and if pressed for a logical defense of my belief I’d probably have to cop to really not able to be more than agnostic, but the fact is that I do have this belief and that it would at times lead me to do things like pray.

And boy, would I have been praying today — selfishly as well as not. If my daughter or grandchild were at that school, I would pray that she was not among the wounded or killed. I don’t know who I’d be “talking to” when I did so, but I would be pleading with someone or something or everything, extremely avidly, to be spared that loss. I would pray for the safety of others and for their absence of pain and for their comfort in time of grief, but the first prayer and the loudest would be for the life of my loved one. I claim only to be a human animal, and being of a species that has conceived of the intercession of greater powers I’d be pleading for it. I’m not proud of it, nor am I ashamed of it, nor would I ask for credit for doing it; it just is what it is — human. It goes back to animism and ancestor worship, and seeking “healers,” well beyond monotheism — and if you can avoid all such beseeching for mercy then I tip my hat to you.

While some prayer is glorification of the deity and some is thankfulness and some is asking for strength and other gifts through which can serve others, my sense is that an unnerving amount of prayer is of the sort I just described. So I don’t know what the Governor was asking for when he said that people should pray — but I think I know what he should have been asking, which might well fit into the category of prayer, and which I might call “civil prayer.”

Value them. Value each dead or dying one of them. Value each stunned or grieving one of them. Value them like you would value your own child. Take what action you would take as if it were your own child, your teacher, your mate.

Should we talk about gun control? Sure — when people are saying “now is not the time” to talk about gun control, it’s usually exactly the right time to talk about it. The problem is that when we talk about we’re unlikely to get anywhere.

Like most students of American politics, I can tell you why we don’t have gun control in this country — it’s a matter of interest group politics and single-issue voting that spans both major parties — and it’s the same reason that, barring some major change of political culture, we’re not going to have major gun control in this country (although some less enormous things like reenacting the Brady Bill might well happen and unhappen and happen again.) Democrats won’t do it because we’ll generally, as our system stands, face electoral defeat if we do, and ten or tens of thousands of deaths per year isn’t worth the price of putting the knuckleheads back in control of the country. Elected Republicans won’t do it because they would lose at least one or the other of those descriptors.

I accept the decision of the Supreme Court’s holding in Heller v. District of Columbia that the Second Amendment applies to individuals because (1) it settled the matter constitutionally in a way that’s unlikely to change, meaning that I don’t have much choice to do anything else and (2) it’s really not that onerous of a decision: Justice Scalia recognized an individual right to use weapons in self-defense but also left open the prospect that this right could be abrogated for various reasons. So we can have more discussion of gun control than either side of the debate may think.

That discussion, I think will have to be centered on the notion of self-sacrifice. That is: if we don’t want to see the likes of the shootings in Newtown, we may have to give up some of our freedoms and/or desires. I don’t take that prospect lightly; in fact, I take it a lot less likely than statists do when they abrogate our First Amendment or Fourth Amendment rights without an apparent care in the world. But that’s what the conversation need to be about — about accepting some voluntary reduction in our rights.

Specifically, we should discuss the extent to which we can accept a reduction in our right to act to secure our own safety: that is, the venerable and understandably important Second-Amendment grounded (via Heller) right to personal self-defense. And, as part of that, we’re talking about accepting what I think is a a very slight increase in the likelihood that we might die at the hands of a homicidal maniac to increase the likelihood that the likes of elementary schools children at Sandy Hook Elementary won’t. There’s no way around the trade-off, because the gun that defends your life might be the same kind of gun that takes theirs.

Now many Second Amendment proponents — and I know and respect and like many of them — will say that there really is no trade-off to be made, because by allowing open and/or concealed carry and making possession of guns including semi-automatic weapons more widely available, we can eliminate this sort of tragedy because people won’t commit such acts if they know that they’re going to die if they do so. (This of course fails to address the problem of this killer, who seems to have been reconciled to or even to have embraced the prospect of his dying, making him pretty darn hard to deter, but let’s leave that aside for now.)

I will say this as nicely as I can: I consider the theory that an armed society is a polite society to be highly unproven. It’s true, I expect, in certain limited areas. I don’t think that it — and its corollary that one can somehow establish ahead of time who is and which rare exception is not worthy of being trusted with a gun — has been tested and validated broadly enough. It certainly is an equation that must change with advances in technology. (Aren’t you, like me, glad this this guy didn’t have a tactical nuclear weapon, for example? Or even a flamethrower and grenade launcher and anti-aircraft missile?)

So, if you want to address this problem, don’t turn to prayer — turn to the consequence of valuing your fellow human beings. (That this applies to Congo as well as to Connecticut is also important to note, but that’s a different argument to have. For now I’ll stick to the domestic context.) How much less safety are you willing to endure to give others, including elementary school students and their teachers, a better chance of coming home alive? I’m not saying that you don’t have the right to self-defense; I’m asking, at a time like now on a day like this, how much you’re willing to see it abrogated to make others — strangers to you — safer? How much self-sacrifice will you make for the common good?

That’s the question of the day.

Before you get all fluttery about it, let me remind you: this is the same damn question that we ask when we discuss how effectively we’ll prevent companies and individuals from dumping toxins into the air, water, and earth; how much we’re willing to pay for health care for others and to inspect their foster homes; how much we’re willing to pump up the economy so that they’re not going to die early for lack of security or opportunity.

How much are you willing to self-sacrifice? How much do you value your fellow human beings?

It does not, I submit, have a whole lot to do with prayer. But it has a whole lot — more, I suspect, than does prayer itself — to do with religion and ethics and morals. Prayer is, I suggest, in part a method designed to incline us — we smart and cunning and reasoning animals — towards the self-sacrifice we commonly see in “lower beasts.” So, you see a problem, with a crazed youth in a happy suburb. If it were your child there, and if you had the means, you might well interpose your body between her and the bullet to save her life. But it probably won’t — it might, but it probably won’t — be your child. It will be someone else’s. How much will you sacrifice to prevent her needless death?

How much do you value others? Prayer without commitment is just words. What is your commitment to others? That’s the question, if I were Governor, I’d be asking today and in the days ahead.

About Greg Diamond

Somewhat verbose worker's rights and government accountability attorney, residing in northwest Brea. General Counsel of CATER, the Coalition of Anaheim Taxpayers for Economic Responsibility, a non-partisan group of people sick of local corruption.
Deposed as Northern Vice Chair of DPOC in April 2014 when his anti-corruption and pro-consumer work in Anaheim infuriated the Building Trades and Teamsters in spring 2014, who then worked with the lawless and power-mad DPOC Chair to eliminate his internal oversight.
Occasionally runs for office to challenge some nasty incumbent who would otherwise run unopposed. (Someday he might pick a fight with the intent to win rather than just dent someone. You'll know it when you see it.) He got 45% of the vote against Bob Huff for State Senate in 2012 and in 2014 became the first attorney to challenge OCDA Tony Rackauckas since 2002.
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How many more tragedies do we, as a people, have to endure? It is a matter of sanity and ammunition and gun control that we need. You drive a car, you get trained and get tested; you fly a plane you train and test; you get certified and licensed. Guns need the same requirement for those that want them. This is a worse problem than slipping over the cliff. Our babies are being killed.
Maybe we are the problem? How many times this week has this happened? This month? This year?
Start by enforcing current law and weeding out problems. Let’s see how our leaders react to this one.

CJ, here’s an section from an interesting article by Slate’s William Saletan, which I had not read until a few minutes ago, that supports my position that we can improve things substantially simply be limiting the speed (based on a combination of rate of fire and amount fired before reloading) of the weapon:

Look up the worst school massacres in history, and you’ll see the pattern. Madmen are everywhere. They strike without regard to gun laws, mental health care, or the national rate of churchgoing. They’ve slaughtered children in every country you’d think might have been spared: Scotland, Germany, Canada, Brazil, Finland, Japan. They’ve falsified every pet political theory about what kind of culture or medical system or firearms legislation prevents mass murder.

But one pattern holds true: The faster the weapon, the higher the body count. It’s not politics. It’s logistics. If you stick a knife in your first victim, it takes time to move on to your second. You might need two stabs or more to finish off the first kid. By then, the other kids have begun to flee. Soon, the cops will be here. How much time do you have? At some point, it’s time to off yourself. And all you managed to kill were two lousy kids because the only weapon you had was a kitchen knife.

Google “knife control” and you’ll find legions of gun-control skeptics comparing U.S. firearm attacks to Chinese knife attacks. In the past two years, there’s been an epidemic of knife attacks on Chinese schools. Some of them show up on Wikipedia’s list of school massacres. But none crack the top 10 because the body counts never rise above single digits. It’s just too hard to kill that many people, even little kids, with a knife.

Guns do more damage. Look down the list and you’ll see gun after gun after gun. But not all guns are equal. I’ve gone through the 25 worst massacres on the chart, and nearly every shooter had a semi-automatic weapon. The one exception was a guy who had speedloaders and a bandolier so he could keep firing. High-capacity magazines are another common factor. All these patterns converge on a common lesson: Speed kills. Madness pulls the trigger, but the rate of fire drives the body count.

We wouldn’t stop school murders, but the number of murderers is probably pretty well fixed. We might, though, stop massacres.

Is not there enough evidence that assault weapons are one of the most deadly firearms? We need more information on the existing policies on gun control, and what is needed to be done to reverse the tragic current course.

There is a Q & A with one of the expert in the link below: “Professor Garen Wintemute, Baker-Teret Chair of Violence Prevention, at the University of California at Davis medical school. Wintemute is one of the country’s leading experts on the public health theory of gun control. He has long argued that gun violence is equivalent to a medical epidemic, and that, as such, public health measures ought to be taken to counter its spread”.

Mr. Exile,
You are expressing your own opinion and you are full of it.
You obviously do not appreciate the lives of our children and show it so strongly.Guns over kids, right. Teachers with guns in their drawers, right.
You live in a different society than I do and I hope you enjoy the view.
I hope you do not have a family or kids that will hear of your particular comments.
CJ

FTE, your hate speech is exactly what is wrong with this country. Your words are just as violent as someone with a weapon. You think its ok to relate to others by putting them down and name calling. Do you behave that way in person or only hiding behind your computer screen with a phoney name. You are exactly the type of person whom I don’t want to stand next to if a gunman shows up. You would probably use me as your shield.

Greg Diamond

Posted December 16, 2012 at 11:20 AM

I should note that I’ve been approving Stanley’s comments because (except for some of the syntax) they’re well within the mainstream of public opinion in our area and it’s fair for him to ask us to confront them. I don’t consider his words to be acts of violence, although I understand that they could provoke them. To his credit, Inge, Stanley Fiala doesn’t really hide behind his fake name and participates in various blogs under his real name as well. I’d happily have him next to me if a gunman shows up, because he’d make a great shield!

“I’d happily have him next to me if a gunman shows up, because he’d make a great shield!”……….. Hmmmmm

FYI, as the Warsaw Pact and KGB trained Air force Officer I would assume horizontal position before I start defending my self with my gun, however, first I would let my enemy to file several shoots to see his exact position.

Greg Diamond

Posted December 16, 2012 at 11:59 AM

You’d still make a good shield even in the horizontal position. Thanks for the tip, though.

Could you still defend yourself against a gunman with a pistol? Or would you need a machine gun?

My estimate is: fewer than would be lost in faculty meetings and as a result of the guns being stolen off the persons of those individuals by students who took advantage of their distraction or their negligence.

Reports say mom was a “gun nut collector” and “competitive Shooter”. Here is a thought…..A middle aged man gets in an loud argument with his wife. The next door neighbor calls the cops. The cops say the guy is yelling at his wife (no physical issues)….they cite him for “Domestic Battery”….arrest him and take every gun in the house. He doesn’t get them back ever. He has been cited and convicted…..if not convicted it usually takes three years to get those guns back.

The Mom had “her kid living with her” that had serious mental problems….why
did she have her guns available. Did he first knock her over the head, kill her, take the key to the gun cabinet and go from there?

Third: The TSA makes 70 year olds remove their shoes, before they get onto a plane. The terrorist are all 18 to 30 year olds. This is the same group that watches violent video games on their laptops, Androids and Computers endlessly….getting their adrenalin rush. Those Video Games need to go…….
and certainly should not be available to anyone under 21. Have our CA Legislators do the right thing and implement the Violent Video Law…..immediately.

The mother of Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza who slaughtered 20 US schoolchildren and seven adults was a gun-hoarding survivalist who was stockpiling weapons in preparation for an economic collapse, it has emerged.

Nancy Lanza was shot four times in the head before her son Adam gunned down young pupils and teachers at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

Her sister-in-law Marsha Lanza told reporters at her Illinois home that her gun-obsessed relative was part of the ‘prepper’ movement that fears an economic collapse will lead to a breakdown in society.

“She prepared for the worst,” Ms Lanza said.

“Last time we visited her in person, we talked about prepping — are you ready for what could happen down the line, when the economy collapses?”

I looked at one of the photos of terrified kids being led out of the elementary school in Connecticut. Then I looked again, pulled it off the Web, and blew it up in Photoshop. One of the kids looks exactly like one of my grandsons. Which prompts me to say, as bluntly as I can: Fuck the NRA and the peckerwood gun owners. Fuck their paranoid, self-righteous horseshit about the sanctity of gun ownership. And fuck the 2nd Amendment. It’s time for concerned, rational people to repeal it and outlaw all gun ownership. All. Every goddam weapon. Fucking period.

Why is it so bleeding heart crazy to protect life–especially our own species–by eliminating the guns that are killing them? I thought Republican Family Values were the right to life. So, once you are born, you are on your own, and you better be the first to out-shoot your fellow human. I’ve lived my whole life without touching a gun. If others just gotta shoot things every so often , let them rent them and store them with the horses and saddles and boots when they’re done!

Ezra Klein created a fascinating graph–he was trying to correlate the frequency of these mass shootings and tragedies globally. Guess what? Our country wins! We are number one! Yup, no other country is as sick and self destructive as the good old U S of A.

Even….Bans do not work. Try to ban the trade in illegal or prescription drugs lately? Ban alcohol….that didn’t work so well either. Name any ban that has been successful with the exception of that on Doctor Kavorkian?

So far we have over 30,000 Gun Laws on the books. This begs the question: When you see the speed limit sign on the 405 Freeway and it says 70….why do police not enforce that law when 30% of the people are driving over 80 to 85 MPH? This is called an Enforcement problem.

The first school yard shooting in our memory occurred in 1989, Stockton, CA – when a young white guy – Patrick Purdy took his AK-47 to a School and killed 5 little kids and injured a bunch more. This incident set off a firestorm of Legislative and Media efforts. Before it was done – anything that even looked military was banned, restricted and what that did was upset millions of prior service military and police that used all of these firearms safely.

To cut to the chase: The tragedy was horrific…..but you can tell Anita Bonghit…….we didn’t do it. Neither did 14 million Californians that have firearms for self protection. What penalty would you suggest for a single mom, coming home from working as a parking lot attendant at midnight – for carrying a firearm for protection on her way home in Los Angeles, Santa Ana or Riverside? What about a Jewelry Salesman that has valuables, cash and the like and has to do business in an urban setting and has
decided to carry a firearm for his protection? Not everyone can get a CCW..it depends on your relationship with the local Sheriff.

*Finally, there is little doubt that citizens with Mental Issues are already Regulated by several levels of Government – starting at the ATF. We do suggest that government regulate more closely those that have been diagnosed with any number of Mental Disorders. Their association with those with firearms should be restricted. In the case of Adam Lanza, if he wanted to live with his mother – who was a gun collecter…….then Mom would have to move those guys “out of his availability and possession”. California does need to implement a very strong Violent Video Games Restriction – for people 21 years of age and older. It would be illegal for any minor to have any of these video games without adult supervision.

Oh, stop it. Browse the internet, and you’ll find reams of statistics showing the connection between gun homicides and restrictive gun laws. We lead the pack. More people are killed every year in the U.S. with guns than in any other developed country. In the entire world, 85% of all the children killed with fire arms occur right here; in a nation awash in guns. And blood. And how many drive-by knifings have we had lately? Mass knifings or mass strangulations in crowded theaters: How many, exactly? Please direct me to one instance of mass murders perpetrated by somebody with a knife, a knotted cord, or bare hands. Go ahead, take your time. We’ll wait.

Yes, it can happen. Had the aggressors with machetes had semi-automatic weapons (and ammo) instead, would it have been the same, better, or worse? (From the perspective of the number of their prospective victims, I mean.)

The issue of deadly crime committed against the person has two elements: a) offense; b) defense;

The left literals assumes that by banning the offensive weapon would eliminate need for defensive weapon too.

For a sake of the argument, lets eliminate all guns and no one can get one……. will that stop offense against 20 children in this case?……. no!

The perpetrator can use virtually any object to kill 20 six years old kids in a classroom from where is no escape.

How long it would take to kill 20 kids with the hammer?

OK, so you will ban the hammer, a you can start banning everything until you end up with a stone tied with a rope to the wooden branch — the first offensive weapon of the cave man.

From the above, any reasonable person must conclude that you can’t stop offensive act preventively.

The prevention is politician’s and COP’s illusive crapola!

The old bohemian cliché: “If you want to beat a dog you can always find a stick”.

Therefore, the only way you can stop offensive act is by a good defense and according to Carl von Clausewitz: “The best defense is a good offense”

So if a punk has 3 semiautomatic guns you need 4 automatic assault rifles — currently banned by left liberals loons.

Conclusion: If we want to protect our children we must arm our teachers with automatic assault rifles which should be attached next to every fire extinguisher in the school and accessible by a code when needed.

Every teacher should attend a training on how to properly use such weapon including any student capable to operate such a weapon in the case when a teacher may be killed.

We have a constitutional right to do that!

If we are the Americans it is your duty to destroy the left liberal “progressive” terrorism which is killing us and our children.

*No, you need to be proficient with a CO2 Fire Extinguisher…..which would
have put that dumb bell down. Fire the gas or hit them over the head. Or both! Then you get your locked, unloaded, never fired, rusty assault rifle…..and hope that if you can load it in time and if it doesn’t miss fire…that you can control the situation. Better to just pull your own trusty .45 auto from your teacher desk and shoot the basterd quickly.

Going along with your logic, every adult should be armed. It would be like in the times of the Wild West… In the other thread on this matter (20 Children Gunned Down…), there are pro and cons arguments. A middle ground needs to urgently be reached to avoid more mass shootings.

There are several experts on this subject. One of them is the documentary’s director on the mass shooting in Columbine. His take on why we have many massacres, when the Aurora mass shooting took place, is this :

“…We Americans are incredibly good killers. We believe in killing as a way of accomplishing our goals. Three-quarters of our states execute criminals, even though the states with the lower murder rates are generally the states with no death penalty.

Our killing is not just historical (the slaughter of Indians and slaves and each other in a “civil” war). It is our current way of resolving whatever it is we’re afraid of. It’s invasion as foreign policy. Sure there’s Iraq and Afghanistan – but we’ve been invaders since we “conquered the wild west” and now we’re hooked so bad we don’t even know where to invade (bin Laden wasn’t hiding in Afghanistan, he was in Pakistan) or what to invade for (Saddam had zero weapons of mass destruction and nothing to do with 9/11). We send our lower classes off to do the killing, and the rest of us who don’t have a loved one over there don’t spend a single minute of any given day thinking about the carnage. And now we send in remote pilotless planes to kill, planes that are being controlled by faceless men in a lush, air conditioned studio in suburban Las Vegas. It is madness.

2. We are an easily frightened people and it is easy to manipulate us with fear. What are we so afraid of that we need to have 300 million guns in our homes? Who do we think is going to hurt us? Why are most of these guns in white suburban and rural homes? Maybe we should fix our race problem and our poverty problem (again, #1 in the industrialized world) and then maybe there would be fewer frustrated, frightened, angry people reaching for the gun in the drawer. Maybe we would take better care of each other (here’s a good example of what I mean).

Those are my thoughts about Aurora and the violent country I am a citizen of. Like I said, I spelled it all out here if you’d like to watch it or share it for free with others. All we’re lacking here, my friends, is the courage and the resolve. I’m in if you are…”

The link to his full presentation is posted in the “20 Children Gunned Down thread.

Teachers have enough to do without being responsible to carry weapons in the classroom. Exactly where is said weapon to be stored? I can see it now…Little Bobby finds teachers gun and kills self. This is a no win situation. I don ‘t want armed guards or teachers carrying weapons in schools. Period!

You are the problem as well FTE. Your mouth should be regarded as a weapon from all the hate you spew from it. Our society forgot about acting civil a long time ago. Violence is how we handle all our problems domestic and foreign. Shooting people seems natural to some (like the mentally ill) becase we are surrounded by violence on a daily basis.

Who knows why Adam Lanza did what he did, but if you ask me his family dropped the ball (mainly his mother) for not restricting his access to her weapons. She knew he was sick. Maybe she tried to get him help. Who knows? I really don’t care. It was up to her to make sure he didn’t get ahold of the guns. She lived with him, and had to have some inkling what was like.

Since you can’t prevent an attack of any kind, you can only defend it, you must figure out what you will do when you see a lunatic walking into a school with a gun in his hands.

Are you gone tell him in politically correct language that the guns are not slowed on the campus?…. that you have ban the guns? or that the guns are banned nationwide?

As I said before, I am agnostic virtually an atheist but it bothers me when the left liberals led by the ACLU forced removal of the TEN COMMANDMENTS from the schools.

What is wrong for a child to see daily a message: “I SHEL NOT KILL”……… Huh?

I lived in the old communist Czechoslovakia and government allowed the religious classes in the public schools but ACLU will not — so now this evil teacher union politically correct garbage starts paying off the dividends.

It is interesting to see the communist Chavez publicly preying to the God to help him with his reoccurring cancer treated in the Cuba….. too late my friend after you have persecuted the believers.

This evil was bought on this country by you left “progressive” agents of the Satan.

Czechoslovakia, now Slovakia and Czech Republic, reminds me of the Prague Spring and the Velvet Revolution. Your native country now enjoys the benefits of democracy, and one of them is reassessing our firmly held beliefs when confronted with the facts of reality. Renewing the ban on Assault Weapons is a start to prevent mass shootings.

We are not all same people, some are smarter and some are stupider, some need a believe system and some have developed their own, some can function in the society and some can’t.

In my early posts as a “Immortality Concept Researcher” I have explain to you that the GOD is in our genetic structure as defensive mechanism so we can cope with our mortality.

We are the only creatures who are aware of their own mortality, therefore, we can’t exist without a believe system based on the GOD. (see evolution)

I do not care what atheist you currently are but in the time of crises you will find the GOD instantly and will start praying even if you have never done so.

In USA’s secularism the GOD is removed without a substitution which creates in some individuals inability to comprehend their own existence an will commit suicide — about 33,300 annually

A small fraction of such individuals actually believe that they are doing favor to others by killing them too during their suicide, aka murder suicide.

Most famous are Jim Jones in Jonestown, Marshall Applewhite in Heaven’s Gate and the recent one in CT.

In oppose to socialists who pacified need for the GOD by GOD like figures, Marx, Mao, Lenin, Stalin and Hitler the USA left progressive secularist are offering nothing in substitution for the GOD.

Therefore, there is a empty spot for many young in their inborn believe system, leading to autism, which secularist try to fix with drugs like ritalin.

The socialists always replaced TEN COMMANDMENTS with something similar like Boy Scout COMMANDMENTS which are very similar as the GOD’s one and include “I shell not kill”.

So unless you can bring into the school some COMMANDMENTS and organize youth in the Payoneer like organizations you will have freaking individuals who will kill themselves because they can’t find the GOD like environment, dictated to them by inborn genetic believe system in your left secular empty world and will kill together with them.

So in mean while the only defense is a use of the gun because reprogramming of the youth will take at least 20 years if you start now.

Caveat: if you are the moron mongoloid you probably have no clue what I am talking about so skip to next troll like the demagog, onan etc.

Accordion to the left anyone who gets to USA is an emigrant no mater how he/she got here and no matter how many laws were broken in the process!

Accordion to the left the guns kill people the shooter is irrelevant!……. the left media even include the killer in the count of victims. After all he was just a confused normal person who got gun from his mom!…. nutty, nutty, nutty mom.

Accordion to the left there must be a drug prohibition and that will stop people from using the drugs.

Accordion to the left there must be gun prohibition and that will stop people from wrongfully killing with guns.

Accordion to the left there must be tax on rich and that will stop economic problem.

The list is long!

Everything left stands for is based on the emotion and not on the logical reasoning, therefore, left will always fail as they exhaust the energy which is supporting their dreams as the history proved over and over. .. aka pissing in the bad to stay warm.

However, because the left dreams are attractive to the people the people will support the left until they self destruct. See Eastern Block, Spain, Hellas etc.

Even I probably like the sound of the left emotions but because I am intelligent person and am capable of a reasoning, I know that such dreams can’t be achieved in the current energy control state.

The real progress is directly proportional to the energy the people can control.

Therefore, until the people can control Planck energy any left ideology is an illusion.

A real progress can’t be accomplished based on emotionality of the moron mongoloids so I suggest that you study Dr. Michio Kaku http://mkaku.org/ who is leftist bat is capable of reasoning.

“Accordion to the left”? Now I’m starting to think that you’re doing this “English as fourth language” bit deliberately when you blog — and that in your real life you think, talk, and write like an Oxford don.

So Greg, would you reasses your statement “…barring some major change of political culture, we’re not going to have major gun control in this country … Democrats won’t do it because we’ll generally, as our system stands, face electoral defeat if we do…” taking into account developments like this?:

“Pro-gun Dems warm to tighter laws, but GOP stays silent
By Michael O’Brien, NBC News
Updated 4:36 p.m. – A handful of pro-gun Democrats showed signs of willingness to consider strengthening regulations on firearms in the aftermath of last week’s elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn.”

No, I wouldn’t reassess that statement — we may be looking at a “major change of political culture”! We’ll see what happens when the heat of the initial reaction dies down, the NRA comes out of its bunker, and it looks like Democrats and more moderate Republicans may suffer a bit at the polls for standing on principle. Will the gun control proponents stand fast? History gives reason for doubt — but maybe this is really a change on the order of Ryan White and Magic Johnson getting HIV or the Iranian hostage crisis and second oil shock hardening anti-Muslim attitudes in the U.S.