In post 188, Alisae wrote:I think I established that I really don't like Screenplay. All of their posts are mostly votes. None of them really have reasoning behind them.I think it's moreso oppertunistic play coming from them.Also they've done nothing to progress the game.And they're basicly sheep.VOTE: Screenplay

In post 188, Alisae wrote:I think I established that I really don't like Screenplay. All of their posts are mostly votes. None of them really have reasoning behind them.I think it's moreso oppertunistic play coming from them.Also they've done nothing to progress the game.And they're basicly sheep.VOTE: Screenplay

In post 308, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't see any reason to scumread him. You are voting so you obviously do. Why is he scum?

Have my case

In post 188, Alisae wrote:I think I established that I really don't like Screenplay. All of their posts are mostly votes. None of them really have reasoning behind them.I think it's moreso oppertunistic play coming from them.Also they've done nothing to progress the game.And they're basicly sheep.VOTE: Screenplay

Don't all votes have reasoning and help progress the day?Are all sheep scum?

In post 623, Anotora wrote:Throughout this entire game, Pepcho has only rarely voted in accord with his own scumreads. He's scummy.

I have rarely voted as a whole. But my two votes have both been on the same guy. One of my strongest scum reads. But honestly I think I would be more willing to go into day 2 with someone that actually wants to cooperate and help the discussion then someone like Srceenplay.

But still, you are one of my top scum targets. The day is still young I guess.

Is this accurate?You would rather get rid of a lurker who doesn't post than getting rid of a scum who is posting and contributing?

I honestly think anno should claim that way we can get it lynching him over and done with. If he claims vt his pretty much wasted everyone's time and shown that his more interested in surviving than helping town. If he claims power role he either gets counter claimed or goes through the night phase. If he ends up dead then his town if he doesn't we discuss from there.

In post 765, Garmr wrote:Actually you know what I don't oppose a pep wagon. I just don't want my scum read anatora to fade into obscurity because people are being pussies about a subtle yet intintional power role drop with out a claim. Scums capable of doing that to lol.

I don't think name calling is going to get anyone stirred up, well maybe one person

I honestly think anno should claim that way we can get it lynching him over and done with. If he claims vt his pretty much wasted everyone's time and shown that his more interested in surviving than helping town. If he claims power role he either gets counter claimed or goes through the night phase. If he ends up dead then his town if he doesn't we discuss from there.

Don't agree

UNVOTE:

Why?

@gamr Hurry up and get it over with? Why rush the day. Haven't even heard much from alt and now we have a replacement coming. Claim a PR so another PR can CC. Why don't we all just claim D1, would that make it easier for you? Maybe change this games meta were you claim on L-2? What would you like???

In post 811, Frozen Angel wrote:@everyone else I asked grey why he was townreading me cause during me - garmr intercation he was repeatedly poking - accusing me of hidden knowledge (which I suspect was for provoking Garmr there) then he announced a town lean on me right after that when people called it a TvT and I backed of from my Garmr push.

His reads are not based on play- their based on momentum and general view.

pedit : Till now I was trying to get answers from you mainly. Now that I know you have nothing I will try to get votes on you. don't worry.

In post 811, Frozen Angel wrote:@everyone else I asked grey why he was townreading me cause during me - garmr intercation he was repeatedly poking - accusing me of hidden knowledge (which I suspect was for provoking Garmr there) then he announced a town lean on me right after that when people called it a TvT and I backed of from my Garmr push.

His reads are not based on play- their based on momentum and general view.

pedit : Till now I was trying to get answers from you mainly. Now that I know you have nothing I will try to get votes on you. don't worry.

Ok

I fell like grey is pushing you and you are getting defensive. Why are you bothered?Do you think he is making a legitimate case or dumb case.

- Whether I flip scum or town (hint: I will flip town), mine is a relatively low-information lynch compared to the info you would be getting from lynching Pepcho or Srceenplay. I really haven't engaged much yet directly with people like Frozen Angel and RadiantCowbells, but if you learn something from Pepcho's flip, you end up learning something about pretty much every other player in the game except kentofan. And if Srceenplay winds up being scum, which is very likely, then you will learn a *heck of a lot* based on who was willing to defend his scummy activity and who wasn't. To be explicit about it, if Srceenplay flips scum, we can pretty much proceed to wagon Pepcho D2 unless/until new information comes up.

- I am an active poster, and that alone makes me worth keeping around. At least I don't try to obstruct others from reading me the way Srceenplay has the whole game (and Pepcho has done on occasion with meaningless posts). I'd much rather the town doesn't carry dead weight like Srceenplay on its back. Even if I'm scum, which I'm not, wouldn't you rather have me be an obvious suspect later on, than be stuck with Srceenplay or Pepcho clouding the waters?

- Pepcho and Srceenplay are, in fact, scummier than I am. Maybe I still have a long way to go, convincing people of this, but it's true. All game long, Srceenplay's posts have been just terrible, and he's only improved them in hopes of warding off his newfound wagon. Pepcho's gameplay, to me, absolutely screams out bussing. Peeps like Garmr and Grey have been on my case for what feels like the lion's share of the day now, but my posting has wavered little. You can't say that about either of them, and it's really suspicious.

I realize this post might make it sound like I favor a Srceenplay lynch moreso than a Pepcho lynch. That isn't true. I think Pepcho is a lot worse than Srceenplay because Pepcho has gone out of his way to defend another scummy player, while the reverse is not true. But it seems like the rest of the playerlist sees Srceenplay as the main alternative to lynching me. I'm okay with that, though not thrilled.

What will you learn from a pep lynch if he is town? What if he is scum?

In post 946, Alisae wrote:It's not Grey's concern to convince you that he is town. It is his concern to lynch and find scum.

The fact how I will read him is not on him.

The fact how he plays and answers my question is.

Stop trying to teach me mafia K? Being self centered and practicing a dictatorship and fake leadership is the first step of loosing a game and I saw that happen 10 times more than all the games you played so far. And the point is it's easily fakable as scum and it's normally what scums try to be like in games cause they can easily manipulate the lynches and still stay like town.

Grey - if can't answer my questions regarding his scum read on me - is a fake one

If greys points hasn't changed, don't he doesn't need to answer. It's been repeated enough. I would rather not wake up to six pages of the same thing.

In post 1387, Alisae wrote:Last time I checked RC has been giving you a townread as well but I don't remember if that read has changed or not.And I don't want to force a townread down other people's throats.

Well thanks for nothing. RC might get it but someone like Pep or Ano won't without the help of someone like you.

WhyYou very clearly have a logical thought that you worked through to come to this. The way you posted sequentially

Look at his ISO and tell me what you see.

Don't redirect me.

I asked for the thought that went through your head after he voted you to say it solidified a townread on him

I'm redirecting you because it'll make it easier to explain but if you don't want me to lead you in my thought process fine.Screenplay is a quieter Transcend.He only comments on things when he has a valid point.

I have a feeling she is scum but probably the scum in the best position. I have seen no attempt of anyone but me to put her in either the town or scum category. When stuff like that happens it kinda becomes suspicious.

She hasn't contributed much at all her first post of content was 624 and it looked like a hack job. After 623 she has social interactions (634,637) with pepe they look they could be coaching/buddying depending on the pepe flip.

I honestly don't like how she portrayed ano as not being a safe vote it really does sound like a bad reason despite her saying his flip would be informational due to the amount of reads. It's like she doubled back.

Even if you call 624 substance she post nothing of substance after and just engages in casual conversation.

The lack of contribution,no signs of scum hunting,the white knight behaviour,the lack of any solid case shows that she's scum.

Like look through her iso and find content you can't. Also the fact shes gone so long with out a scum read or a hard push (except me) make me expect she's decent scum player staying out of trouble.

I mean if we can't confirm the miller we are going to have to lynch it later anyway, right?So why not check the miller get a possible confirm town. Or just use our lynch now to get rid of the miller and go through with the original check?

In post 2037, Anotora wrote:If scum had a roleblocker, and both you and FA were town, the scum team's best move would have been to roleblock FA and kill you, so that -Grey- confirming you as a townie would be useless. They didn't do that. You're alive. You or FA is scum.

Srceenplay wrote:Um no. Yesterday it was agreed that it was 1v1 today. Work your shit out.

In post 2099, RadiantCowbells wrote:Alright fuck it I'm not quite sure what's going on on FA's end and I'll let that wait till later. She won't make endgame after a contradiction as glaring as that anyway.

In post 2400, mlmooney89 wrote:Now that the game is over SP I will say that the reason I voted for you day one was because of your two different plays. You were the single best player in the newbie game, hence why you were killed so quickly. You were active and vocal and on board. This game you were acting very strange. I do see that you have picked up more today which is interesting but still leads me to think you might be trying to feel out your scum role. Day one quiet, night was coached, day two more talkative?

Nope. I was scum my last game. Got my ic lynched and hammered the game win bThat's like saying you made it to D2 so you must be town. I am making a point not to have a meta game style.

If there is something wrong with my reasoning tell me so we can work on something else.

In post 2433, Srceenplay wrote:If mafia player can only do one action at night, eliminating one reduces the possible action they can do.

And again. If pep flips scum that's one down and ^. Plus we get a confirmed town out of it. If he flips town we get two confirmed scum out of it.

Getting a roleblocker would be good but it is not 100% successful. So again why to go with something that gives 100% results?

if he flips town we get 3 people who must be scum together to lie about that or a mafia ninja [ just if the first 2 times I explained this wasn't clear enough ]

and second he was te one who did the kill so he has no ability very likely and I find grey and mandy truthful (at least grey is cleared and that clears RC).

pep must be before lyo lynch anyway - we are not yet there - so its ok to just hunt for other scums atm that more of town is alive. - getting a roleblocker flip will clear me btw so thats so important -

That sounds a little selfish.

You are also going off reads and they can be wrong. In my opinion it doesn't necessarily clear RC.

So if pep is scum great. If he is just a goon still good. If the other mafia have to pr they can only use one then at night because the other had to kill. So by killing a goon you would still be limiting the scum

In post 2536, Pepchoninga wrote:Soo I'm here. I admit I have avoided the game for a bit, since I wanted to have a check on the situation.

Ahyways, I really can't do anything to tell you how I'm not confirmed scum, since the player who is basically top TR in almost all of your reads (including mine) has said against me. All in all, I'm not confirmed still. We don't have Garmr as confirmed, hence we don't have me.

I probably can't give opinion on the situation without looking scum to you. Understandable. I would lynch either Anotora, Gamma or Srceenplay today. Not counting me, since this is your opinion to take. I will say that my vote probably won't be casted in this situation. I will gladly give opinions or thoughts if they are desired.

In post 2511, Firebringer wrote:actually the more she says that pepcho is a bad lynch the more I think a Frozen lynch might not be terrible.

and the more you says the crap like this you are showing everyone the level of your game awareness.

^BTW to avoid confusion

the crap he was saying was that I'm against pep lynch

I said pep can die tomorrow when we have a scum team/roleblocker to get and pep flip won't give us that. Pep lynch won't add any information here while if we manage to get that roleblocker I will be conftown as well. I'm saying there is no point in making Garr more obvtown.

so yeah. I don't give a fuck about your anger FB. You can stop signing up in the games I'm playing if my pressence is hurting you and again I'm not a jerk who is asking you to actually read the fucking game before repeatedly making absurd comments.

sorry if I hurt your feelings

I'm not that perfect person you imagined. I actually suck when it comes to manner and personality. Is this discussion over?

Pep lynch does give information either way he flips. If you lead town on a mislynch today we get about as much info as we got from yesterday's ML.

I suppose it could be possible that you are mafia mastermind who ordered Pep to got kill. I think it was you who said "oh looks like mafia went with the no kill gambit." You completely understand the setup of the game but don't understand the functionality of your own role. Pep gets caught, "ya we will get to him later."

This is only my 3rd game on here. Only mafia I play is on Starcraft 2. The only time I can think of not getting a confirmed mafia is when we are following a lead on a higher value target( some other neutral killing). With that said I'm willing to learn, but I still fell my course of action is not wrong.

We should use our votes to gather information. I what to make sure I know what information I could be getting. Knowing what information is available between different votes should heavily effect we're votes are cast.

The bolded are ones you should be explaining.Also it would really make your top scumread a lot more genuine if you were voting for them.

Alt is a player I cannot judge since he has like 2-3 posts at max. His explanation was semi-good, but I need more. Same with Radiant Cowbell. I can't really read him at this point. Grey is a person that is very inconsistent in the way he behaves. This means that he is usually constantly moving from slight town to slight scum leans. Atm tho he is a solid null. Frozen seems very shaky in her defense but I also belive she is town from her response and reactions. Fire's claim was beliveable enough and also while he isn't very active what he has done seems pro-town at least for now. You have been doing good job with asking questions and doing something about, so I like that. Tho you are the same old bote so you are still not a very strong town.

In post 624, mlmooney89 wrote:Alright here is how I work when I hafta catch up on a bunch of stuff. I write down notes as I go. My thoughts and opinions change as the notes go on but they are in chronological order so the ones at the bottom are current.

Firebringer (FB)- Claims miller. Early claim- day one. Possible real claimRadiantCowbells(RC)- Counter claims; makes FB look scumGrey- Tripping people up; then makes point about CC w/ vote FrozenAngel (FA)- Points out things about the FB/RC for miller that go along with my own thoughtsAnotora- (Anot) Pointed out why RC being scum would have been bad for scum, this was called as scum by Grey. Garmr claims both are town, becoming obvious that RC was joking.Srceenplay (Screen) latched onto Garmr without doing anything.Pepchoninga (Pep)- Standing up for Screen, says that we need pressure but we don’t need to lynch any time soon… well I’m not sure how that doesn’t say right away that pressure is no good since the lynch won’t happen. Worst way to pressure someone is to say but it’s a long day and let’s play this out… >.>

Anywho so my thoughts on a few people.

Anot gave reads which I was happy to see because even if scum it tells a lot about a person. I know a lot are voting here but I would place my vote somewhere safer.Pep doesn’t seem to be on one solid path which makes me suspicious.RC was giving pretty good explanations for game play which I would think scum would withhold so I’m leaning town.FA seems like she is trying even is scattered with arguing, lean town.FB is a LOT like one of my friends so I’m having a hard time separating him from what my friend would do. I do know my friend would be town if acting like that so since it is day one only I will stay town here.Grey- I wouldn’t put anything past him. He is scum until proven innocent.Screen- This is my vote all day long. I’ve dealt with town screen and this is a full 180. Until we get better co-operation (which I know sounds horrible coming from someone who hasn’t been around but oh well) I’m going to vote here. When someone shows such a huge change in game play without giving reasons as to why it’s a red flag for me.

VOTE: Srceenplay

Now, just to clear my words. What I say is that I see a lust for a fast lynch in some people. That doesn't necessarily make them scum, but going for not well though lynch increases the chance of a misslynch. Pressure is made to force reactions which inturn help you to get a good case. And you should not feel rushed to do that. That is what I'm saying. If there is someone who does give a lot of food to fead upon and people have come to a consensus then by all means a lynch could happen earlier. It's just we have time and we should be able to use it as we wish without necessarily making us look scummy.

If you want to talk distancing that is what Alisea did with Pep. Started the day coaching, began throwing shade at pep, then sheeped grey every where, including away from pep away from pep. Last vote ml was who?

the fact that 4 people were on all three of these L-1 wagons is interesting to me. Typically, I find that scum would participate in this kind of behavior more often than not because they are looking for a lynch but not a singular lynch. however, we know grey was town so that's a counte rarguement (although to me, it makes the others' equity of being scum higher)

if there is 1-2 scum in Alisae, RC, and Garmr, that means there is a good good chance that each of those wagons were town (Antora, Pep, SAJ who did already flip town)

Garmr felt like that really nice sweet spot for scum d1 where he never got any heat or attention that I recall, nor did he stick his neck out and assert any original strong beliefs, reads, solvey questions etc.

though we apparently have mech stuff driving today

So the best action now would be to lynch Pep. Garmr claims he is the only one to visit grey last night. So a pep flip will confirm a lot

When I was reading last night I did a Pep and Alisea ISO together to look for any interactions. There was a couple were I thought there could be coaching going on. Later grey got onto Pep and Alisea did as well. She didn't stay on it though she follow grey the rest of the day.