SirSebstar wrote:they glorify nazi;s, but you have no problem with that?

I told qwert that having bad taste or being an idiot is not a punnishable offense. With these i am on the fense though. Why would any sane person pick these names unless he was trying to aggrevate someone else?

I disagree that they are glorifying nazi's. If they are, shouldn't Osama's name be changed as well? (I don't actually believe this, just using it as a counter example).

Blake, these name its not come from head suddenly,, you need to have knowledge about these .Nobody can accidental put these names , if you dont know what they represent.

Its will be good that each person who have these name give some valid reason why they need to have these names here in CC.Just simple question " Why you want to create username Adolf Hitler?"

Can you give any normal reason why these name need to stay in CC?

Can you give me any normal reason why your name needs to stay in CC? I'm not saying that the name is necessary, I'm saying it shouldn't be a problem. I understand the history, and I'm not saying that there weren't hardships faced due to these leaders. I'm simply saying that their image or their name is not in itself bigoted.

i dont have any normal reason why mine names need to stay in CC, well i even dont know what QWERT means. If someone report mine name like offensive, with logical explanation,then i will change imediatly.But im aware what Adolf Hitler means, and you act like you are not mod, like you dont read CC forum rules?Somehow i feel that you try to defend these, for what reason i dont know? What more fact and explanation you need so that these name be removed from CC? Are CC policy change when El_Jefe come here?

The last time I checked, there wasn't a rule against offending you, or any certain user. The rules are clearly defined on what they prohibit, and historical figures are unmentioned (Yes, all of the above mentioned are historical figures). Images of the aforementioned historical on their own do not violate the rules.

The main point I'm trying to make is there is no need to prove a name innocent. The requirement is to prove it guilty (in violation of the rules). Unless there is bigoted speech in the username, then that rule is not violated (a reference to a tragedy alone is not bigoted speech.

If you need another example, let's try to broaden the scope a bit. An example of a bigoted remark "Jews are no good money grubbing blah blah blah" and "Jewish people are commonly associated with the stereotype of being tight with their money". You see the difference? The first sample has a negative connotation to it. That's the part that sets things apart. For example, "Hitler was responsible for the deaths of a massive amount of Jews" is simply a factual statement, no bigotry. However if you add a negative connotation "Hitler caused the deaths of a massive amount of Jews as a service to this world". You see the difference? The first sample doesn't have a negative connotation, and is therefore simply facts. The second has a negative connotation, and while it contains a fact, is still bigoted.

Dukasaur wrote:What about Genghis Khan? What about Shaka Zulu? What about Pierre Trudeau? Should everyone named after an evil dictator be banned? Come on!

who say that people need to be banned? Just change of name and avatar.

Ok, so i conclude nextADOLF HITLER avatar and name are not forbiden to use in CCWAFFEN SS DEAD-avatar and name also not forbiden for useEINSATZGRUPPEN- also not forbiden for use in CCUSE OF SWASTIKA AVATAR-also not forbiden for use in CC------------------------------------------------these its all free to use, as long people who hold these ,dont say nothing in favor of NAzi?These its insane rules, but if everybody accept these, then mine battle its over in these case, i dont like these , but i can not change these.now you can lock these topic. I get what i deserved.

the difference i see between nazis and others is as i stated. everyone else is ok to use, even our new administrator has a terrorist as his av.

Leave BMO out of this!

This has always been a troublesome issue from a moderation aspect. I will repeat, for clarity's sake, that there are no outright blanket bans. Cases are evaluated individually by context, but it just so happens that more often than not, the context isn't appropriate. So while there might be a rate of banned avatars/icons near 100% when looking at Swastikas, it isn't because we're banning all Swastikas, but it just happens to be that all Swastikas have been banned thus far (to take an example from another thread/issue).

It is important to understand that key concept when talking about the matter.

Jippd wrote:I think banning people or making them change user names or avatars is silly.

considering people get banned for behavious, of which their avatar is a small proponant, your statement is untrue too.I guess some people find it silly to ban people who pay for multiple accounts (and play them) also silly, certainly from a commercial point of view.. I for one am glad they do

Jippd wrote:I think banning people or making them change user names or avatars is silly.

considering people get banned for behavious, of which their avatar is a small proponant, your statement is untrue too.I guess some people find it silly to ban people who pay for multiple accounts (and play them) also silly, certainly from a commercial point of view.. I for one am glad they do

How do you know my personal opinion? If I think something is silly then I think it is silly. You can't say it is untrue because they are my thoughts and I know that it is in fact true.

Multi's and having "offensive" user names or passwords are not the same thing in my opinion.

The problem with deciding to ban or make "A" or "B" change something because they are "offensive" to "Z" "X" and "Y" is the subjective reasoning that is included in the matter.

The problem for me is where the line will be drawn and the overall need (in my opinion) to limit subjective reasoning in banning or "punishing" paying customers.

Try to stay on topic without clouding the issue. The question was whether it was possible to ban people. It has been clarified that there is no blanked ban for having a "Silly" name or avatar, but that people who tend to get banned, get banned for their behaviour more then just a silly name or avatar.The overal rule being use common sense and dont be intentionally annoying.If you are realy out to discuss your feelings on the subject, i suggest you take it out on GD. If you want i can split this topic, or shadow it so there is some foundation on which to discuss further.But again, there is no banning for just having an avatar.I think people who think that because gravity is not in the bible, it does not excist. I dont even know if there are such people, but i find them silly anyways. Can you see where this is going? It has no relevance, but it is misleading if read without context

Sorry, I'm commenting a little late, and possibly a little back off topic, but as a Jew, and as human being, I would be a little shocked and offended if Adolf Hitler, or some other racist jackass joined a public game I set up.

Everyone keeps mentioning censorship, case by case basis, and common sense, but isn't it common sense that there is no good reason for any player to have that user name, or even some of the others that qwert mentioned? I'm all about freedom of speech, etc., but when I tried to make a map based on bin Laden's compound it was immediately locked and taken down as being a potential flame to some players. While I didn't like the way it all went down, I certainly understood that even if one player was offended it probably wasn't a good idea.

I agree that it is hard to say which names are "bad" and which no. and I like that this site is "democratic". if anybody does not like any name he can add this player to Foe list...

Seamus76 wrote:Sorry, I'm commenting a little late, and possibly a little back off topic, but as a Jew, and as human being, I would be a little shocked and offended if Adolf Hitler, or some other racist jackass joined a public game I set up.

could you specify which names are offensive? each nation, each culture, each religion have different opinion on this. what about Stalin, Pol Pot, Menachem Begin, Bin Laden, Mao Tse-tung, Andreas Baader, Ante Pavelic, Sadam Husein... there could be more as 100 names.

Seamus76 wrote:...even if one player was offended it probably wasn't a good idea.

I am afraid that in this case there will be no maps, no players, no CC

Seamus76 wrote:Sorry, I'm commenting a little late, and possibly a little back off topic, but as a Jew, and as human being, I would be a little shocked and offended if Adolf Hitler, or some other racist jackass joined a public game I set up.

Everyone keeps mentioning censorship, case by case basis, and common sense, but isn't it common sense that there is no good reason for any player to have that user name, or even some of the others that qwert mentioned? I'm all about freedom of speech, etc., but when I tried to make a map based on bin Laden's compound it was immediately locked and taken down as being a potential flame to some players. While I didn't like the way it all went down, I certainly understood that even if one player was offended it probably wasn't a good idea.

i thought they took it down because of how recent the event was, yes i know that means that some bin laden supporters could be offended by it. the reasons are similar yet a little different.

i am not a bin laden supporter yet was offended by the map idea much like i would of a map of anyone recently departed. a map of jack the ripper i would like to see. it's a time elapsed thing.

Seamus76 wrote:Sorry, I'm commenting a little late, and possibly a little back off topic, but as a Jew, and as human being, I would be a little shocked and offended if Adolf Hitler, or some other racist jackass joined a public game I set up.

Everyone keeps mentioning censorship, case by case basis, and common sense, but isn't it common sense that there is no good reason for any player to have that user name, or even some of the others that qwert mentioned? I'm all about freedom of speech, etc., but when I tried to make a map based on bin Laden's compound it was immediately locked and taken down as being a potential flame to some players. While I didn't like the way it all went down, I certainly understood that even if one player was offended it probably wasn't a good idea.

Unfortunatly some people manage to find loophole in CC, and successfuly put NAzi names and avatars to be forever in CC.

Here i will give you just one example of many others:One player put hes name to be Adolf Hitler, and hes avatar are Saluting Hitler in hes nazi uniforme, hes intention are very clear ,to provoke someone, and admins react, only in way to guested hem, and not remove name and avatar.Maybe you will say " What the hell!, these entire profile need to be erase!" but these its not case, and player still provoke , because he its only guested and in the end Hitler are stay in CC.Also you have many other who are not guested, and still member of CC with other nazi names, and even with swastika on hes avatar.These its what i call Guested Loophole, people who only purpose are not to play CC games ,but to glorify NAzi, and guesting instead to be punishment, immortalized these players and give hem reward .

Look I know the history of Adolf Hitler and we all know what he has done. But there has been more rulers who murdered and slaughtered millions of people. Like stated before do we have to ban out all those names and avatars?

Well my fisrt post is a shot over the BOW..All we've done is awakened a sleeping giant.I went back and forth with this topic about freedom.I told qwert I'll defend free speech and self expression anywhere anytime.I've seen alot of Devils and 666's out there in C.C.Land.Hitler would say something like no moment for discussion.Hitler burned books to erase people from history.Your starting to sound like him.I could have put a waving Stars and Bars up,but that's tacky.I love a picture of my 2 lucky charms instead.I play alot of people Israel,most never say a thing.But I tell them,I'm just one who knows History,and who likes the Generals of THE SOUTH and Germany..Some of the best war minds ever.Lee,Rommel,Jackson,Manstein,Stewart,Kesselring,etc..It's the winners of wars who writes the History books..One man's hero,is another man's butcher.No,I wouldn't pick Hitler(1.because I'm from Prussian nobility,Hitler hated us to.2.Hitler was no strategist.Not a tactician like Napoleon.But Hitler was a leader of an Army.A true history lesson..game 12035159.game chat..I told qwert Hitler tries to take over Europe he is a bad man.Stalin does it it's o.k..The USA does it(Manifest Destiny)it's o.k..Qwert defended Stalin(he nener hurt my people,Hitler hurt my people).Come.on..By the time Stalin left this world he was 10 times the monster Hitler was.Qwert said The USA doesn't know suffering.I told him the U.S.Goverment succeeded,where Hitler failed.To wipe out a race of people,in the name of MANIFEST DESTINY(God's will to go from the Atlantic to Pacific and own everything inbetween.)The USA wiped out the Indians(N.Amer.)way of life,country,religion and all.Hebrews still have a country and a religion.

cont..Qwert tried to say Hitler started WWII,NO Japan did,when Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931,Italy invaded Ethiopia in 1935.Only when a white country is attacked ..Poland..now WWII is on,so say white history books.Hitler didn't put the swastika on the German flag.(He did put the 5 ring Olympic sign on the 1936 olympic flag though).OTTO Von Bismark did 19 years befor Hitler was born.It's a Hindu sign..HOLY ROMAN EMPEROR CHARLEMANGE had it on his shield.Even a japaneese captain of wooden ships flew a crooked cross.The SS ..the S stands for Zues's lightning bolts.Himmler was into all kinds of crazy stuff.He even had a castle like King Aurthor..Himmler took on the job of killing..Hitler was running the War..To say Japan doens't count in starting the war because they were weak.Japan had the best navy in the world in 1930.In fact when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor it caught Hitler by surprise.Hitler wanted Japan to invade Russia from the other side.The US got lucky in the battle of Midway,caught Japan off gaurd.Or Japan would have smashed the Us in the Pacific.NOT defending Hitler,don't hate Jews(I'm Roman Catholic).Just one who studies History,tactic,nothing more,nothing less.I told qwert to smell some roses and gaze at the stars and dream a little.There are far better things to worry over than a gaming website.You will never please everyone all of the time.Just some people ,some of the time.It is Human nature to kill.Mankind kills,will go on killing(like a dumb person who just shot up a school killing 20 kids here in America.)Don't fool yourselfs,there will be another Hitler some time down the road.HISTORY ALWAYS REPEATS ITSELF.....ConfederateSS..out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ConfederateSS wrote:Hitler didn't put the swastika on the German flag.(He did put the 5 ring Olympic sign on the 1936 olympic flag though).OTTO Von Bismark did 19 years befor Hitler was born.

I disagree with this statement. Although Otto Von Bismarck created the modern German state in 1871. Before him there was no unified German State only princely states. He did create the red white and black colors for the flag.

In the 1800s, countries around Germany were growing much larger, forming empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history.

By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts' League.

In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society. The first time the swastika was used with an "Aryan" meaning was on 25 December 1907, when the self-named Order of the New Templars, a secret society founded by Lanz von Liebenfels, hoisted at Werfenstein Castle (Austria) a yellow flag with a swastika and four fleurs-de-lys.

I know I seen a crooked cross on a Kaiser's ceremony flag before 1914.. The Holy Emperor's..one of his ceremony shields.That was many years ago.BUT Japaneese 'HASEKURA TSUNENAGA"..A samurai(who invaded Korea in 1597.).Also an ambassadar in the 1600's for Japan..Rome(Vatican)...Mexico(New Spain)Etc..His coat of arms,Roman citizenship certificate..Also was on The Flag of his ship...I do thank you kindly for you help GeneralRisk...ConfederateSS..out!!!.P.S..If you could slap that picture up .Tsunenaga's coat of arms..that would be KOOL..thanks again.......

ConfederateSS wrote:I know I seen a crooked cross on a Kaiser's ceremony flag before 1914.. The Holy Emperor's..one of his ceremony shields.That was many years ago.BUT Japaneese 'HASEKURA TSUNENAGA"..A samurai(who invaded Korea in 1597.).Also an ambassadar in the 1600's for Japan..Rome(Vatican)...Mexico(New Spain)Etc..His coat of arms,Roman citizenship certificate..Also was on The Flag of his ship...I do thank you kindly for you help GeneralRisk...ConfederateSS..out!!!.P.S..If you could slap that picture up .Tsunenaga's coat of arms..that would be KOOL..thanks again.......

qwert wrote:Ok ,i need to have Answer on these question.-------------1. Can player be complete erase from CC?2.Can player avatar be removed?3.Can player name be removed?

-------------------------------------if these are all possible, then mods need to use these and start clean some players out of CC.

1> Yes2> Yes3> Yes

and to your conclusion. No, although some players get kicked in a myriad of ways. Some for agrevation on a large scale, some for loopholeabuse. They really try not to ban everybody with a bad idea.alsoA chair as 4 legs, A dog has 4 legs. a dog = a chair?