Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.Tue, 26 Sep 2017 21:50:57 +0000Tue, 26 Sep 2017 21:50:57 +0000American Civil War Forumshttps://civilwartalk.com/forums/civil-war-history-secession-and-politics.88/
CSA Today on secessionTue, 26 Sep 2017 21:30:15 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/csa-today-on-secession.138652/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/csa-today-on-secession.138652/invalid@example.com (CSA Today)CSA Today

Rebel Gray appears to be in the if I repeat it enough, it will be true mode.

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Certainly, a true enough predilection for several of our more persistent the Confederate States went to war over slavery advocates.]]>570Is the revisionist history partially due to us blaming the wrong people??Tue, 26 Sep 2017 21:20:10 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/is-the-revisionist-history-partially-due-to-us-blaming-the-wrong-people.138782/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/is-the-revisionist-history-partially-due-to-us-blaming-the-wrong-people.138782/invalid@example.com (Artemis Barca)Artemis Barca
You have people who play up the the United States morality as "going to war for freedom , to free the slaves!!"

Which couldn't be further from the truth.. the north never sends their sons to die, nor did Lincoln or the US government have the political will for emancipation..

You have people who play up the South's morality by claiming "the civil war wasn't about...

Is the revisionist history partially due to us blaming the wrong people??]]>142Was Southern Recovery Undermined by Leaders Who Left after the Rebellion?Tue, 26 Sep 2017 20:47:50 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/was-southern-recovery-undermined-by-leaders-who-left-after-the-rebellion.138925/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/was-southern-recovery-undermined-by-leaders-who-left-after-the-rebellion.138925/invalid@example.com (WJC)WJC50US antebellum Slavery Social Safety Net.Tue, 26 Sep 2017 20:06:39 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/us-antebellum-slavery-social-safety-net.138886/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/us-antebellum-slavery-social-safety-net.138886/invalid@example.com (jgoodguy)jgoodguyThis is a moderated thread. Off topic, just conversational or mere rhetoric posts may be deleted at my discretion without warning. Posting is acceptance of those terms.

Discuss the idea that slavery offered a safety next superior to other forms of labor.
Claims should have tangible evidence and not 'I think so'.

For this thread social safety net is a collection of services provided by some...

US antebellum Slavery Social Safety Net.]]>38Side Bar posts split from US antebellum Slavery Social Safety Net.Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:19:49 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/side-bar-posts-split-from-us-antebellum-slavery-social-safety-net.138887/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/side-bar-posts-split-from-us-antebellum-slavery-social-safety-net.138887/invalid@example.com (jgoodguy)jgoodguyOff Topic posts, conversational posts and otherwise mere rhetoric posts will be moved here. ]]>15Cornerstone Speech QuestionTue, 26 Sep 2017 01:49:19 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/cornerstone-speech-question.138635/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/cornerstone-speech-question.138635/invalid@example.com (rbortega)rbortega138generals and politiciansSat, 23 Sep 2017 18:17:03 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/generals-and-politicians.138126/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/generals-and-politicians.138126/invalid@example.com (civilken)civilken23Why was it so important for Lincoln to preserve the Union?Sat, 23 Sep 2017 13:22:34 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/why-was-it-so-important-for-lincoln-to-preserve-the-union.137932/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/why-was-it-so-important-for-lincoln-to-preserve-the-union.137932/invalid@example.com (TracyM61)TracyM61
My question is: What was that important to Lincoln that he was prepared to go to war with the CSA and risk the lives of thousands of men and young men to conquer the South's quest for independence?]]>294History of monuments questionFri, 22 Sep 2017 13:39:41 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/history-of-monuments-question.137798/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/history-of-monuments-question.137798/invalid@example.com (16thVA)16thVAHistory of monuments question]]>209A challenge debate thread.Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:49:06 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/a-challenge-debate-thread.113336/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/a-challenge-debate-thread.113336/invalid@example.com (jgoodguy)jgoodguy
We will have 2 sides of equal number of members, up to 2 members per side. The members of each side can communicate in a separate thread or by PMs. A debatable proposition is presented and agreed to by both sides by PM with me and all participants. Side A is the...

A challenge debate thread.]]>104Discuss The Relationship Between Pro Slavery Advocates And Compact Theory.Wed, 20 Sep 2017 00:21:38 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/discuss-the-relationship-between-pro-slavery-advocates-and-compact-theory.138622/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/discuss-the-relationship-between-pro-slavery-advocates-and-compact-theory.138622/invalid@example.com (jgoodguy)jgoodguy
Nationalism seems to have been favored by commercial interest because a strong federal government facilitated commerce while compact theory seems to have been favored by slave holders because of the threat that a strong federal...

That's very telling. North Alabama and East TN have always been known to be against it in my mind, but the Piney Woods of North Louisiana, I am from there and I would not have thought so.]]>23Should Jefferson Davis Been More Willing to Negotiate With Abraham Lincoln?Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:51:29 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/should-jefferson-davis-been-more-willing-to-negotiate-with-abraham-lincoln.138076/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/should-jefferson-davis-been-more-willing-to-negotiate-with-abraham-lincoln.138076/invalid@example.com (contestedground)contestedground83Rebel Gray on secessionMon, 18 Sep 2017 17:25:13 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/rebel-gray-on-secession.138632/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/rebel-gray-on-secession.138632/invalid@example.com (Rebel Gray)Rebel Gray
New York Tribune (Feb. 5, 1860): “If tyranny and despotism justified the Revolution of 1776, then we do not see why it would not justify the secession of Five Millions of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861.”

Detroit Free Press (Feb. 19, 1861): “An attempt to subjugate the seceded States, even if successful, could produce nothing but evil – evil unmitigated in character and appalling in content.”

Discussion Thread Companion to the Secession Quotes Threads]]>Was the vote of Secession free and fair?Sun, 17 Sep 2017 15:51:50 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/was-the-vote-of-secession-free-and-fair.135111/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/was-the-vote-of-secession-free-and-fair.135111/invalid@example.com (leftyhunter)leftyhunter@Mike Griffith and @CSA Today might be interested in this subject. Please try to cite sources to support ones views.
I will start with the book " War at every door Partisan Politics&Guerrilla Violence in East Tennessee...

Those who can find meaningful contemporary quotes suggesting that slavery and its future were not the principal cause of the secession of the original seven Confederate states are encouraged to post them here.

Note, I am interested only in documented historical quotes from...

Master List of Quotes Citing Reasons OTHER THAN Slavery as the Principal Cause of Secession]]>4Secession Again split from Why was it so important for Lincoln to preserve the Union?Fri, 15 Sep 2017 14:28:24 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/secession-again-split-from-why-was-it-so-important-for-lincoln-to-preserve-the-union.138550/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/secession-again-split-from-why-was-it-so-important-for-lincoln-to-preserve-the-union.138550/invalid@example.com (thomas aagaard)thomas aagaard
But it is an interesting country, with its army being one of the only real organizations that exist at the federal level.

Naturally, in reality sovereignty is not a yes/no question.
In many ways the EU have a lot more influence on how laws are here in Denmark, then the federal...

Secession Again split from Why was it so important for Lincoln to preserve the Union?]]>166Should Lincoln have supported the Crittenden Compromise in order to save the Union?Wed, 13 Sep 2017 02:38:40 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/should-lincoln-have-supported-the-crittenden-compromise-in-order-to-save-the-union.116533/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/should-lincoln-have-supported-the-crittenden-compromise-in-order-to-save-the-union.116533/invalid@example.com (gem)gem70Who were Black Confederates Combatants in the CSA militaryWed, 13 Sep 2017 00:56:15 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/who-were-black-confederates-combatants-in-the-csa-military.138201/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/who-were-black-confederates-combatants-in-the-csa-military.138201/invalid@example.com (jgoodguy)jgoodguy
Evidence please.
Named Individuals preferred.
Mere Rhetoric subject to deletion without warning.

Please discuss

Latest criteria. Accepted Sources are pension records, CSRs and muster rolls. Combatants have ranks of private and NCO. Ranks of Musician, Drummer, Cook, Teamster and so are not Combatants.

If anyone does not like these rules, be elsewhere.]]>119States with many abolitionistsMon, 11 Sep 2017 23:49:46 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/states-with-many-abolitionists.138256/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/states-with-many-abolitionists.138256/invalid@example.com (major bill)major bill10The Importance of Using Caution When Interpreting Personal Recollections of Historic EventsSat, 09 Sep 2017 16:55:21 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/the-importance-of-using-caution-when-interpreting-personal-recollections-of-historic-events.138447/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/the-importance-of-using-caution-when-interpreting-personal-recollections-of-historic-events.138447/invalid@example.com (jgoodguy)jgoodguyThe Importance of Using Caution When Interpreting Personal Recollections of Historic EventsHT cash

When historians collect primary source documents during research, they must...​

The Importance of Using Caution When Interpreting Personal Recollections of Historic Events]]>12Wisconsin thought of declaring war on the United States in 1860Sat, 09 Sep 2017 04:31:12 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/wisconsin-thought-of-declaring-war-on-the-united-states-in-1860.138460/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/wisconsin-thought-of-declaring-war-on-the-united-states-in-1860.138460/invalid@example.com (major bill)major bill5Wisconsin to secede?Sat, 09 Sep 2017 03:24:32 +0000https://civilwartalk.com/threads/wisconsin-to-secede.124739/
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/wisconsin-to-secede.124739/invalid@example.com (major bill)major billWisconsin to secede?]]>10