If Eco contains the Precursor essence, their code, and touching large amounts of Dark Eco is what turned Daxter into a Precursor, than how did touching Dark Eco change Precursors into the Dark Makers? They are physically and genetically about as far removed from Precursors as possible. I don't see how that makes any sense at all. If it just contains their code, wouldn't it have not done anything at all? Or if it did do something, wouldn't it have just made them evil Precursors?

It's tantamount to saying adding more human DNA to a human would turn him into a lizard.

I believe they had extended periods of time where they were exposed to the Dark Eco, as well as using it in experiments far beyond their power. Also, you must remember that Daxter was changed from a human into an Ottsel. The Dark Makers are essentially mutated Precursors. I believe how it was explained in the story was that the Precursors got abusive with their powers and Dark Eco, and some were completely overwhelmed to the point of becoming Dark Makers.

The current theory is that the "Dark Makers" that you fight in Jak 3 are nothing more than robots built by the Dark Makers proper. Their appearance is very similar to the precursor robots and statues found throughout the series, with the long noses.

Perhaps, and this is just me reading too much into it, the fact that the Dark Makers chose to build the robots in the image that the Precursors had build is a way of saying "We are the true Precursors".

I was also under the impression that what happened to Daxter was just a chance event, an extremely unlikely possible effect of dark eco since it is made out to be a totally destructive force otherwise.

I think we have yet to see a real Dark Maker (and also, the original Metal Heads, but that's a whole other story) at all.

My theory isn't nearly as good (but I don't want to say what my theory was).

And your theory really makes sense and fits, too. After all, when we were fighting the Dark Makers, we hadn't even SEEN the Precursors yet, so we still thought of them as the creatures the Dark Makers resembled. So of course they couldn't make the Dark Makers look how the Precursors really looked, that would have given away the secret too soon. So it makes sense that they weren't really showing Dark Makers. They were probably just "Dark Maker Robots" as an equivalent to "Precursor Robots". I'm really liking this theory.

Another bit of evidence to support this is the fake Precursor we saw at the end of Jak II and near the end of Jak 3. You know, the glowing blue guy that turned out to be nothing more than a manually controlled hologram? Well, that is what they wanted us to THINK that the Precursors looked like, right? Which means that they wanted us to think Precursors don't look like the robots they build (which was true, but not like we thought). So now it makes even more sense that those Dark Makers were just Dark Maker Robots, because they are in the "robot look" not the "live Precursor look" (which turned out to be a Precursor perpetuated sham).

There is one thing I disagree about, though...Daxter's "Precursorization" being a chance effect of the Dark Eco. I don't think that's the case. I think it's just that he was subjected to a greater amount than all the baddies we see. They usually get little amounts, but Daxter was dumped into the largest vat of Dark Eco ever seen. Just enough to become Precursor, but he wasn't in it long enough to keep going and become a Dark Maker. That's how I see it.

I've always had a hunch that the revelation of the Precursors as Ottsels was just another sham. Remember when the main Ottsel said "we are the most powerful beings in the universe," and the dumb one replied with "we are?"

I think the reason that the precursor said "We are?" was because i think that the Precursors legendary powers dont activate unless threatened, like a quillfish, and when their powers activate they change form becoming celestial beings or something.

Hi, Not to change the subject, but I have kinda breezed thru this game, but for some reason I am having a hard time beating the Metalhead Mash game to get the Time Map(By the way, what is the Time Map?. The controls are opposite the side of the board. Any ideas?
Thanks.