I'd like PP on this team and he may very well be the best right now but not over Von however I'm not sure anyone is saying they want PP on this team instead of Von plus FA stud CBs come on the market all the time even Champ was traded for. Good luck finding a Von Miller type on the market

yeah but not a 4th rounder for the 5th overall pick of last year. No way it would happen. To get Peterson you would have to give up elite talent. Like the one we gave for Champ (we ran to the bank with that trade by the way). Not going to happen.

Like that doesn't happen with every team. Oh those skins homers, what idiots!

Every other team's fan base and media is objective.

you are right... but you are saying like it's actually going around DC (the media).
At least the Portis = Champ trade started because one of our deverpost writers proposed that trade because we needed some way to stop Manning in the playoffs.

yeah but not a 4th rounder for the 5th overall pick of last year. No way it would happen. To get Peterson you would have to give up elite talent. Like the one we gave for Champ (we ran to the bank with that trade by the way). Not going to happen.

I disagree on the champ/portis deal.

I thought it was even. Portis was a huge part of Gibbs 2.0 skins and a big time critical player in those 2 late season playoff runs and champ is champ.

you are right... but you are saying like it's actually going around DC (the media).
At least the Portis = Champ trade started because one of our deverpost writers proposed that trade because we needed some way to stop Manning in the playoffs.

Well it was mentioned on the radio but of course in a "call Arizona and see" type way not "hey this is a rumor"

But yeah it has been mentioned outside just armchair msg board fans. Again, key point being that NOT A RUMOR, just kick the tires...

Well it was mentioned on the radio but of course in a "call Arizona and see" type way not "hey this is a rumor"

But yeah it has been mentioned outside just armchair msg board fans. Again, key point being that NOT A RUMOR, just kick the tires...

well, at least you got Shany's history of coveting that prime cover corner and going for him. But that time he at least had a great bargaining chip to allure the other team. In the skins case Kirk can't be the starting point. He would probably be a throw in, or a complement to the big offer. Say.. draft pick, because I can't think of a player (only RG3) on the skins that the cards would trade Peterson for.

Still, I think the Shanahan's covet Kirk because they know that if they keep playing RG3 like they have, he will eventually miss game per season a la Vick.

Is he the best CB? I am not sure but for a 2nd year player to be at his level, Cardinals did good in getting him very early last season. CB is a tough position to pick up from college to the pros and he has done it after one season. He should be having a Champ Bailey like career. He also returns kicks which is now a bonus.

With that said, I want Johnson to score a few on him just for running his mouth after a 58-0 loss.

Oh and how did Bailey do against evil peyton "colts" manning when he was surrounded with shanarat's other defensive personnel in those glorious playoff games against the colts?

Shanny's defenses did not do well against the Colts but that's not all on one player, that was more of a systemic problem due to Shanny's incompetence. That being said, Bailey has continued his pro-bowl ways with the Broncos, and has been a very stable presence in the backfield of the defense and in the lockerroom too.

I'm the first one to criticize Shanny's bad decisions, but on this trade, he hit the damn ball out of the park.

Shanny's defenses did not do well against the Colts but that's not all on one player, that was more of a systemic problem due to Shanny's incompetence. That being said, Bailey has continued his pro-bowl ways with the Broncos, and has been a very stable presence in the backfield of the defense and in the lockerroom too.

I'm the first one to criticize Shanny's bad decisions, but on this trade, he hit the damn ball out of the park.

We will have to agree to disagree but it's cool.

It can be debated forever given the importance of each guy to his respective team