http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php1. KC - Geno Smith2. JAX - Star Lotelelei3. OAK - Damontre Moore4. PHI - Luke Joeckel5. DET - Bjoern Werner6. CLE - Ezekiel Ansah - DE/OLB - BYUThe Browns have to find a franchise quarterback to compete for the AFC North. There are none worth taking here, however - I could be wrong, but I think I remember hearing Michael Lombardi say there was no quarterback worth taking early this year - but that's OK because they need to improve their pass rush as well. Jabaal Sheard led the team in sacks with only seven. Juqua Parker-Thomas was next with six, and he'll be a 35-year-old free agent this offseason.

It was very close for me between Ezekiel Ansah and Barkevious Mingo, but I thought about it and the former makes more sense from a scheme perspective. Lombardi learned from Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, who both prefer larger rush linebackers. Ansah (274 pounds) dwarfs Mingo (240). He was also more productive this past season and possesses more upside, so why not Ansah?

1. KC - Geno Smith2. JAX - Star Lotulelei3. OAK - Bjoern Werner4. PHI - Luke Joeckel5. DET - Damontre Moore6. CLE - Dion Jordan - DE - OregonThe pass rush could use a play maker (middle of the pack with 38 sacks in 2012). Jabaal Sheard led the team in sacks with only seven. Bolstering the interior of the offensive line is also an area need to address in order to build their offense around Trent Richardson.

Only one real year at BYU, but dude is a 6'6", 270lb guy who can legitimately play either DE or OLB because he's faster than shit.

He's raw though. He could be feast or famine. I could see guys who fancy themselves smarter than the average bear making that pick. Not saying it wouldn't work out and maybe be great, but raw is raw and after physical ability he doesn't have technique to get by on. Not worried about his lack of stamina that people talk about because that can be trained into him.

He's really a freak and I'd be fine if they went that route. He's not getting out of the first round but #6 would be going out on a pretty big limb.

bookelly wrote:There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded not only on the accuracy of their drafts, but the actual effectiveness of their high ranked players over the years.

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Can these guys not predict who the teams will pick without agreeing with said picks? If you look at some of their boards/player rankings, they are much different than where they predict the players to be taken.

For instance, I don't think anyone has Geno Smith as the best player available in the draft, but no one would be shocked to see KC take him anyway. If Al Davis were still alive, they'd have some physical phreak that can't play a lick of football going to him, and they'd probably be right.

I think they should be graded on the accuracy of their predictions, sure. But I don't think they should be responsible for the outcome of the players unless they were mocking how THEY would pick if they were each of the teams.

bookelly wrote:There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded not only on the accuracy of their drafts, but the actual effectiveness of their high ranked players over the years.

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Can these guys not predict who the teams will pick without agreeing with said picks? If you look at some of their boards/player rankings, they are much different than where they predict the players to be taken.

For instance, I don't think anyone has Geno Smith as the best player available in the draft, but no one would be shocked to see KC take him anyway. If Al Davis were still alive, they'd have some physical phreak that can't play a lick of football going to him, and they'd probably be right.

I think they should be graded on the accuracy of their predictions, sure. But I don't think they should be responsible for the outcome of the players unless they were mocking how THEY would pick if they were each of the teams.

Fair enough. I just hope for a more perfect world where decisions and judgement are dictated by a compu

Our biggest need (outside QB) lines up with the talent at the top of the draft. Browns should have the chance to pick from a few different impact outside rushers from their spot. Just about choosing the right one.

bookelly wrote:There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded not only on the accuracy of their drafts, but the actual effectiveness of their high ranked players over the years.

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Can these guys not predict who the teams will pick without agreeing with said picks? If you look at some of their boards/player rankings, they are much different than where they predict the players to be taken.

For instance, I don't think anyone has Geno Smith as the best player available in the draft, but no one would be shocked to see KC take him anyway. If Al Davis were still alive, they'd have some physical phreak that can't play a lick of football going to him, and they'd probably be right.

I think they should be graded on the accuracy of their predictions, sure. But I don't think they should be responsible for the outcome of the players unless they were mocking how THEY would pick if they were each of the teams.

Fair enough. I just hope for a more perfect world where decisions and judgement are dictated by a compu

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Some of the guys have two different lists. Kiper for one. Draft eligible player ratings and mock drafts. If someone wanted to bother studying the player ratings year over year it would be pretty easy to see if Kiper knows more than the average NFL GM/team draft expert or not.

Agree that I want to see these guys get ranked both on who they mock (accuracy of pick, standard deviation of 3-4 spots) and how the players turn out. Make them sign their name beside "can't miss prospects" or "reach at that spot" over the long term.

I'm happy with Mingo, Ansah, or Moore; going to be furious if we waste #6 on a cornerback that nearly everyone agrees isn't nearly shutdown quality, when this team desperately needs front 7 help. Use FA to get the complimentary corner and safety help, continue to roll with what we have for depth, and get some freakish front 7 guys. Not every year that the draft is so stocked with them.

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bookelly wrote:There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded...

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Being a strutting fool upon the stage is not a bad gig - those guys get paid pretty well just for having an opinion.

Actually, they do provide a service. Since I am not able to watch hundreds of college football games, it helps to have people with NFL contacts who can at least provide a list of the draftable players and a semi-accurate ranking of where they probably will go. It at least gives us some names to research and discuss if you're into that.

For example, I'm not a BYU fan and never heard of Ziggy Ansah. He sounds like Jason Pierre-Paul when he came out; an athletic freak who was considered a boom/bust prospect IIRC. With Horton's love for "big guys who can run" he might just be lobbying feverishly for him, 4.5 career sacks notwithstanding.

bookelly wrote:There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded...

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Being a strutting fool upon the stage is not a bad gig - those guys get paid pretty well just for having an opinion.

Actually, they do provide a service. Since I am not able to watch hundreds of college football games, it helps to have people with NFL contacts who can at least provide a list of the draftable players and a semi-accurate ranking of where they probably will go. It at least gives us some names to research and discuss if you're into that.

For example, I'm not a BYU fan and never heard of Ziggy Ansah. He sounds like Jason Pierre-Paul when he came out; an athletic freak who was considered a boom/bust prospect IIRC. With Horton's love for "big guys who can run" he might just be lobbying feverishly for him, 4.5 career sacks notwithstanding.

Wish I got paid big bucks to have an opinion. I'd be Bill Gates Funny you mention JPP because a couple sites I visit have JPP as well as Justin Tuck as NFL comps.

The interesting part was how BYU moved him "all over the field" playing him at LB (all three positions), DE, and even nose tackle. Horton is going to love that. He mentioned doing the same thing with Jamaal Sheard next year.

They currently have him being drafted in the 15-19 range, but that could change with the Combine and individual workouts.

As much as Horton likes to blitz, this kind of player could be irresistable.

He never played football before coming to BYU from Ghana, so that kind of explains the 4.5 career sacks.

One NFL personnel evaluator characterized BYU DE Ziggy Ansah as a "one-year wonder" and a "tweener."

"If a guy has length, some twitch and a motor, people think it’s Jason Pierre-Paul," the scout told Pro Football Weekly. "He ain’t. Otherwise, they wouldn’t align him inside so much. He’s a one-year wonder and a tweener. ... Put on the bowl game. He was getting pushed down the field and a ball was thrown at his chest and he intercepts it. He fell into it — he didn’t create it. That’s how he produced this year." Ansah is perhaps this year's most polarizing draft-eligible prospect.

One NFL personnel evaluator characterized BYU DE Ziggy Ansah as a "one-year wonder" and a "tweener."

"If a guy has length, some twitch and a motor, people think it’s Jason Pierre-Paul," the scout told Pro Football Weekly. "He ain’t. Otherwise, they wouldn’t align him inside so much. He’s a one-year wonder and a tweener. ... Put on the bowl game. He was getting pushed down the field and a ball was thrown at his chest and he intercepts it. He fell into it — he didn’t create it. That’s how he produced this year." Ansah is perhaps this year's most polarizing draft-eligible prospect.

Not saying he's not. Just that 15-19 will be low when all is said and done. He's allegedly extremely coachable and that size and speed on display at the Combine are going to push him into top 12 IMO. Like I said, it would scare me some at #6, but the guy is a freak.

I also take anything any team or team personnel says about a guy from the day after SB to time they draft with a grain of salt. They're all lying about everything.

Finally watched some Ansah video today. Enticing, I can see why some would be willing to take the chance. Could be a real playmaker... if he can be taught to get off blocks better. Otherwise he'll get eaten alive in the NFL where he can power rush linemen into the backfield.

Because he has such limited football experience, there's certainly a chance that he could be taught that. But I don't know if a team like the Browns can afford such a boom-or-bust prospect at 6.

Hikohadon wrote:Finally watched some Ansah video today. Enticing, I can see why some would be willing to take the chance. Could be a real playmaker... if he can be taught to get off blocks better. Otherwise he'll get eaten alive in the NFL where he can power rush linemen into the backfield.

Because he has such limited football experience, there's certainly a chance that he could be taught that. But I don't know if a team like the Browns can afford such a boom-or-bust prospect at 6.

Exactly right. He's a freak. But at #6?.... ehhh....not sure I have the stomach for that risk there...

Reading more about him, interesting story, apparently a bright kid and also apparently extremely receptive to coaching and working. So if he busts, he busts working hard at it. Which will still be no consolation if he busts working hard at it in an orange helmet.

Hikohadon wrote:Finally watched some Ansah video today. Enticing, I can see why some would be willing to take the chance. Could be a real playmaker... if he can be taught to get off blocks better. Otherwise he'll get eaten alive in the NFL where he can power rush linemen into the backfield.

Because he has such limited football experience, there's certainly a chance that he could be taught that. But I don't know if a team like the Browns can afford such a boom-or-bust prospect at 6.

Exactly right. He's a freak. But at #6?.... ehhh....not sure I have the stomach for that risk there...

Reading more about him, interesting story, apparently a bright kid and also apparently extremely receptive to coaching and working. So if he busts, he busts working hard at it. Which will still be no consolation if he busts working hard at it in an orange helmet.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php1. KC - Geno Smith2. JAX - Star Lotelelei3. OAK - Damontre Moore4. PHI - Luke Joeckel5. DET - Bjoern Werner6. CLE - Ezekiel Ansah - DE/OLB - BYUThe Browns have to find a franchise quarterback to compete for the AFC North. There are none worth taking here, however - I could be wrong, but I think I remember hearing Michael Lombardi say there was no quarterback worth taking early this year - but that's OK because they need to improve their pass rush as well. Jabaal Sheard led the team in sacks with only seven. Juqua Parker-Thomas was next with six, and he'll be a 35-year-old free agent this offseason.

It was very close for me between Ezekiel Ansah and Barkevious Mingo, but I thought about it and the former makes more sense from a scheme perspective. Lombardi learned from Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, who both prefer larger rush linebackers. Ansah (274 pounds) dwarfs Mingo (240). He was also more productive this past season and possesses more upside, so why not Ansah?

1. KC - Geno Smith2. JAX - Star Lotulelei3. OAK - Bjoern Werner4. PHI - Luke Joeckel5. DET - Damontre Moore6. CLE - Dion Jordan - DE - OregonThe pass rush could use a play maker (middle of the pack with 38 sacks in 2012). Jabaal Sheard led the team in sacks with only seven. Bolstering the interior of the offensive line is also an area need to address in order to build their offense around Trent Richardson.

I was a Blaine Gabbert fan before the draft and feel he will give the Jaguars a bright future. The vision the Jaguars used in making this pick should be commended as long as their (and my) evaluation was correct. Gabbert loves football.

Kaepernick's lack of accuracy makes Locker look precise with the ball -- now that is a scary thought. Kaepernick will take some time to develop. Even when that happens, I am not sure he is a starter.

1) The passer2) the guys who protect the passer3) the guys who rush the passer

As far as I can see, the Browns have #2 decently covered.

There doesn't appear to be an immediate solution to #1 available with the 6th pick.

So if they take anyone other than at least a partial solution to #3 in the first round, they're idiots. (and I know they need a solid corner and a solid safety REAL bad, but I don't see a #6-worthy pick there, so I'll stick with the statement)

I realize I haven't said anything here that isn't blindingly obvious...but isn't that what we do here?

BTW, I have every expectation that they'll fuck it up.

"I believe it is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting." H.L. Mencken

1) The passer2) the guys who protect the passer3) the guys who rush the passer

As far as I can see, the Browns have #2 decently covered.

There doesn't appear to be an immediate solution to #1 available with the 6th pick.

So if they take anyone other than at least a partial solution to #3 in the first round, they're idiots. (and I know they need a solid corner and a solid safety REAL bad, but I don't see a #6-worthy pick there, so I'll stick with the statement)

I realize I haven't said anything here that isn't blindingly obvious...but isn't that what we do here?

BTW, I have every expectation that they'll fuck it up.

Danny - No huge disagreement here except I may nuance # 3.

I think there remians a bit iof symbiosis with rush and coverage even in today's glorfied 7 on 7.

The quality of the pass rushers needed varries a bit when you are talking strating corners of Old man Shelly and buster Buster and Haden and Millner. Not that this is 1985 and a great pair of CBs can run around with recievers for 5 seconds while the QB counts his "misissippi's", but if you assume 3 - 4 seconds before the sack you have to be able to reasonably cover, with the casveat that a Brees, Brady and Rogers can still kill yah with a back shoulder throw on occasion.

I am not very impressed by the pass rusher crop other than J Jones in a scheme, so there is no need to reach on one of these project guys or a Borg Warner to be your Chris Long.