MW to ferrari? same old same old. button did a great job on hamilton last season and i cannot see, at this stage, why he couldn't do the same again this year.

i don't rate hamilton to anywhere near the same level as ozzy. that is his opinion and that is fine. button has moved up another gear and hamilton will need to have a lot going his way if he is to reverse the situation.

anyway, we are all urinating into the breeze until we see where the new car performance per team pans out.

I think Mungo is correct, it was the tyres for LH and MW. But that's no excuse. Same for everyone. Jenson winning the WDC and then hammering Lewis has made me very happy but I still rate Lewis as probably the best driver in F1 today, up with Vettel and Alonso. Doesn't mean any of them can't be beaten.

But odds on, Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso are going to come out ahead of 99% of team mates. In my humble view.

Hamilton is certainly one of the fastest drivers, and is great when up the front. He seems to have trouble handling difficulties I think. This is something Alonso is getting great at given the sub par Ferrari he has had since he went there.

I just wonder what Seb will be like when the going gets tough too. Will he be able to settle for fourths etc.?

i think button upped his game and the 'goose' lost it as a result, give or take a race or two.

button was the man at maclaren and when hamilton was put under pressure he choked. no one denies hamilton is fast, very fast, but so are a lot of others but some of those others have more maturity IMO.

if tires are same as lasst year giver or take- logically jenson will beat lewis again.

Mark WEBBER 9 hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
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Id put it more like 2/1. JB is no fool in an F1 car and is still under-rated to this day even with all he has done. But I think Lewis would beat him over a season 9 times out of 10. We'll see I guess. If JB can do it again, a lot of people are going to have to admit they were wrong either about Button or Hamilton. Myself included.

well ozzy, i am trying to make sense of your post. you say the odds are approximately 2/1 then qualify that with a possible 90% success rate for hamilton? that equates to a finishing position over a season of 20 races with hamilton finishing in front of button 18 times to button's finishing in front of hamilton twice?

if, and that is a big if, hamilton can curb his 'blindside' he may stay in front but given the way he drove last year that is not a given.

my money is on button simply because he is not only fast but he can be aggressively tactical as well. so many intra- team battles coming our way this season. webber and vettel....button and hamilton....ricciardo and verge etc etc etc. let the good times rip.

saying that lewis will smash jenson this year without true reason and analysis is just feel good moments playing tricks with ones logic

anywho

go webs

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Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

well F1 man your summary is correct..i think. there are other differences though that came through last year. webber and hamilton, so the story goes, both had difficulty in adapting to the tyres.

in hamiltons case though there was a plethora of ridiculous attempts to make passing moves that simply did not work. without that he would have done much better. his dismal performance therefore cannot be put down simply to tyres, unless of course you argue that he wouldn't have had to try those ill timed passing moves if he had a better control of his tyres. that would be a long bow.

half of something real actually does not exist at all, as you cant have a half of something that exists that would defy reality

Mark WEBBER 9 hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

I don't think you can directly take the odds someone is using for whom will come out on top over a season and apply that on a per race basis. He said over a season, not in a season after all.

I'd imagine this is why someone like Webber would have better odds for winning a race than winning a championship - there are enough variables and form variability for him to win a single race - they get generally smoothed out over a season though.

webs odds for championship would be dismal but i would love to change my sig to 8 hit wonder go webs

Mark WEBBER 9 hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

okey dokey, that is completely different in context to what you originally posted ozzy. it is now far clearer. it is a very long bow to make that assumption though as it is highly unlikely that they would ever share the same car for that period and once they are split team wise the possibility of comparisons becomes entirely fruitless.

the better comparisons are by season, each season, whilst they are both driving for the same team. at the moment it is 50/50. where will it be at the end of the season? as i said earlier i believe that JB will come out on top this year but it will be only a 'bees dick' between them.

a quick calc re points scored over both seasons so far gives hamilton a total of 467 and button 484. so there is not much in it at all however given that maclaren is hamilton and hamilton is maclaren it was to be expected that he would have the edge over button until he had it all sussed. as the points indicate/validate finishing positions over all races button is edging hamilton over the two years.

we should revisit this at the end of the season however should the pendulum swing wildly either way i fully expect to see bragging rights become a regular feature. haha

Ozzy's first post is particularly clear in stating that it was "over a season" not in a season. Also, given he stated the same thing much clearer a few posts prior by saying "Hamilton should beat him 9 seasons out of 10 and I think he probably would" you should have been able to understand.

Your brain fart of a post you are trying to worm out of is just ridiculous. Have you convinced yourself he was wrong or are you open to a little re-think?

you sound like a worn out record duffer. grow up. the debate has moved on or hadn't you noticed. the poster himself has said that it was ambiguous [for the second or third time] but you still blag on. i have no intention of arguing this with you. it was amicably discussed some time back.

in your dreams duffer in your dreams. just consider the original statement then see if it makes sense....which is what i did and ozzy qualified it a few posts later.

does it make sense to postulate a win/loss ratio between two drivers over a ten year period ? yes, ten seasons equals ten years of which ozzy thought that hamilton would win nine of them. thats fine but fantasy land.

When you say like, you mean hate. It doesn't make sense to like pasties over any period. I think your comment is ambiguous and regardless of what you respond with my position is correct and was reached in a logical manner.

i like the chick ozzy, don't know about the pasties though.i am just waiting for duffer to put his usual seal of approval on LH's poor attempt at sarcasm...you may be good at whatever you do LH but never try and make a living out of comedy. it's not your forte.

Lol
I love tiff time
Loud is ok but he's arrogant
And when he thinks he is correct
He will go to great lengths proving it
With fancy grammar
Just makes you look sils hehe
I bet loud doesnt even know he is arrogant
So loud my friend
Zip the lip cup cake occasionally

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

duff is loud - loud is duff they always compliment each other, and louds humour... ho hum each to their own but yeah not my cup i guess

anywho as jim courier would say

"this is ridiculous!"

haha

Mark WEBBER 9 hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

hahaha F1man. yes...sometimes it is hard to distinguish between the two, i agree.
the quotation simply dealt with your accusation that LH suffered from one of the deadly sins...that of arrogance. does that explain it?

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

arrogance..7.5. i included it into the SDS so as to draw attention to the fact that arrogance is a distasteful attribute. thank you for your contribution to the minutiae. i learn each and every day!!!!

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

couldnt one argue though or lets say debate, that the context of the sentence itself would have religious undertones to start with so loud and k1 i believe syd has gone BAM take that !

lol

Mark WEBBER 9 hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

hypocritical? surely not LH. no prize for second. i personally think, that arrogance can be easily conveyed by the written word. it is not necessary to actually have met the person involved. was it necessary to post your image?

in summary,i am merely reflecting on what F1man had posted and perhaps you should direct your defence of arrogance to him. what i think is of secondary importance or perhaps no importance at all.

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

i have no desire to post a demeaning proposition loud but shouldn't you be seriously considering a reduction in your calorific intake.

to be quite candid, if i was that far overweight i would not be putting my image up there for scrutiny as it advertises another of the seven/eight deadly sins....gluttony and that is further worsened by sloth. what came first....the sloth or the gluttony?

tut tut, it took courage to do that- dont hit a man when hes down k1 ..

reminds me of ..

anywho all good

we are all nearly going through testing times

Mark WEBBER 9 hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

I could have been a marathon runner
If I didn't go out when young and smoke
Lol Jim courier ridiculous ! Hehe
Btw k1
I was actually thinking the same thing after post
Then you did the research and confirmed it
Thank you

everyone is wrong, and if nooone is wrong, then they have never taken a chance in their life or made any descisions

anyways LH is frequently correct- frequently wrong-

Mark WEBBER 9 hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

lewis coming and nicole in the same sentance is bygone history now oz hehe

Mark WEBBER 9 hit wonder :-)

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

Should have been 12 wins except vettel stuffed up
Japan 2007- vettel runs into back of webber during SC ...WTF
Turkey 2010- vettel decides to drive into webber
Malaysia 2013- vettel decides he is just too awesome for team rules
I am a proud Mark Webber Fan
I am also proud that we won the war
I am also a Carlton supporter
I think, therfore i am!

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