Do you have any unanswerable Biblical contradictions? - Atheist Nexus2015-03-31T21:23:35Zhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/do-you-have-any-unanswerable-biblical-contradictions?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A2097185&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhere the Bible Contradicts I…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2014-04-08:2182797:Comment:24061742014-04-08T01:51:55.350ZGus Heisthttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/GusHeist
<h1><u>Where the Bible Contradicts Itself!!</u></h1>
<p>CREATION: Genesis 3:7 – Adam and Eve had their eyes opened, and saw that they were naked, and sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons, but Genesis 3:21 says that the Lord God made coats of skins, and clothed them.</p>
<p>COMMANDMENTS: Exodus 20: 2-17 is “the ten commandments” (a term, by the way, not used in the Bible). Exodus 34:1, God tells Moses “Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write up…</p>
<h1><u>Where the Bible Contradicts Itself!!</u></h1>
<p>CREATION: Genesis 3:7 – Adam and Eve had their eyes opened, and saw that they were naked, and sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons, but Genesis 3:21 says that the Lord God made coats of skins, and clothed them.</p>
<p>COMMANDMENTS: Exodus 20: 2-17 is “the ten commandments” (a term, by the way, not used in the Bible). Exodus 34:1, God tells Moses “Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write up these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou breakest,” and yet Exodus 34:14-26 has DIFFERENT NINE commandments. God lied, or made a mistake, or forgot?</p>
<p>BIRTH: Matthew 1:2-16 lists the 40 individuals in the lineage between Abraham and Jesus (why? Since Joseph is not Jesus’ father?) but Luke 3:23-34 lists the lineage of 56 ancestors of Joseph to Abraham, all different names.</p>
<p>RESURRECTION: Matthew 28 says that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to the sepulcher, and an angel descended and rolled back the stone, and he told them to go quickly and tell the disciples that he is risen, and as they went to tell them Jesus appeared to them. Mark 16 says that Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome went to the sepulcher, that when they got there the stone was already rolled away, and they saw a young man sitting inside the sepulcher, who told them to go tell his disciples , but they didn’t say anything to anybody out of fear, but later he appeared to Mary Magdalene. Then Luke 24 says that Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the Mother of James and other women went to the sepulcher, and found the stone rolled away, and soon two men stood by them in shining garments, and they returned and told the eleven and to all the rest. John 20 adds to the contradictions by saying that Mary Magdalene went to the sepulcher, sees the stone rolled away, runs away and ran into Simon Peter and the other disciple and told them that the body is gone, and they don’t know to where. When Mary went back, she saw two men in white in the sepulcher, and then turned around and saw Jesus standing there (although she didn’t recognize him, but then went and told the disciples that she had seen and spoken to the Lord.</p>
<p> </p> Geneology of Jesus
Accordin…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2014-04-08:2182797:Comment:24061072014-04-08T01:49:17.333ZGus Heisthttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/GusHeist
<div><p align="center"><b>Geneology of Jesus</b></p>
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<tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"><b><u>According to Matthew</u></b></p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"><b><u>According to Luke</u></b></p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Abraham</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Abraham…</p>
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<div><p align="center"><b>Geneology of Jesus</b></p>
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<tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"><b><u>According to Matthew</u></b></p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"><b><u>According to Luke</u></b></p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Abraham</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Abraham</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Isaac</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Isaac</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jacob</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jacob</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Judas</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Juda</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Phares</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Phares</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Esrom</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Esrom</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Aram</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Aram</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Aminadab</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Aminadab</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Naason</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Naason</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Salmon</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Salmon</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Booz</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Booz</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Obed</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Obed</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jesse</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jesse</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">David the King</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">David</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Solomon</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Nathan</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Roboam</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Mattatha</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Abia</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Menan</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Asa</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Melea</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Josaphat</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Eliakim</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Joram</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jonan</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Ozias</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Joseph</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Joatham</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Juda</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Achaz</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Simeon</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Ezekias</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Levi</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Manasses</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Matthat</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Amon</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jorim</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Josias</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Eliezer</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jechonias (slavery in Babylon)</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jose</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Salathiel</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Er</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Zorababel</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Elmodam</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Abiud</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Cosam</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Eliakim</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Addi</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Azor</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Melchi</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Sadoc</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Neri</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Achim</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Salathiel</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Eliud</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Zorobabel</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Eleazar</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Rhesa</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Matthan</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Joanna</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jacob</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Juda</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Joseph, the husband of Mary</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Joseph</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jesus</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Semei</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Mattathias</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Maath</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Nagge</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Esli</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Naum</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Amos</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Mattathias</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Joseph</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Janna</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Melchi</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Levi</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Matthat</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Heli</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Joseph</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">Jesus (supposed son of)</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center"> </p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">But, Joseph was not Jesus’ father, so who cares?</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">But, Joseph was not Jesus’ father, so who cares?</p>
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<tr><td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">41, including Jesus and Abraham</p>
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<td valign="top" width="319"><p align="center">56, including Jesus and Abraham</p>
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<p>Matthew 1:17 says: So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. </p>
<p>Abraham to David is 14 – if you count both Abraham and David</p>
<p>David to Jechonias is 14 – if you do NOT count David, but count Jechonias</p>
<p>Jechonias to Jesus is 14 – if you count both Jechonias and Jesus</p> Because he is all-knowing and…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2014-02-12:2182797:Comment:23799952014-02-12T17:33:53.455ZFuturehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/Future
Because he is all-knowing and therefore knew in advance that we were going to legalize same sex marriage? His retribution works in mysterious ways.
Because he is all-knowing and therefore knew in advance that we were going to legalize same sex marriage? His retribution works in mysterious ways. Wasn't that a fig tree? And…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2014-02-12:2182797:Comment:23800782014-02-12T16:18:39.478ZLoren Millerhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>Wasn't that a fig tree? And yeah, it WAS out of season.</p>
<p>Wasn't that a fig tree? And yeah, it WAS out of season.</p> I use to be Christian but the…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2014-02-12:2182797:Comment:23799822014-02-12T15:51:25.208ZJennifer mapleshttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/Jennifermaples
I use to be Christian but then I started questioning everything I always have questioned things n then when I started thinking about Christian believes it jus doesn't make any sense if there was an all midy god why would he make some one with disability s to were they can't do anything its its very sad to me. Why would he creat something thats so helpless
I use to be Christian but then I started questioning everything I always have questioned things n then when I started thinking about Christian believes it jus doesn't make any sense if there was an all midy god why would he make some one with disability s to were they can't do anything its its very sad to me. Why would he creat something thats so helpless I also bring up the story of…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2014-02-12:2182797:Comment:23797532014-02-12T05:48:35.156ZJames Johnsonhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/JamesJohnson493
<p>I also bring up the story of Noah when Christians say God is infallible ( I think that is how it is spelled). I say God makes mistakes, look at the Noah story. Ooops, I goofed up, better start all over and wipe the slate clean. Is that not what that is, a mistake on His part? Also the Bible says that we need God, He does not need us. If that is true (if it is not true then why is it in the Bible? right?) then I always approach this with an example. When man needs something he makes it. Need…</p>
<p>I also bring up the story of Noah when Christians say God is infallible ( I think that is how it is spelled). I say God makes mistakes, look at the Noah story. Ooops, I goofed up, better start all over and wipe the slate clean. Is that not what that is, a mistake on His part? Also the Bible says that we need God, He does not need us. If that is true (if it is not true then why is it in the Bible? right?) then I always approach this with an example. When man needs something he makes it. Need shelter? make a house. Need transportation? we make cars trains and airplanes. We make things we need. If God does not need us then why bother making us? Psychotic? Crazy? Idiotic? I find the things He says and does in the old testament detestable and cruel and downright evil. I would not be so against Christians if they were nice and considerate to those around them. I would not dislike them so much if they would just try to understand people rather than judge and hate.</p> Not so much of a biblical con…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2014-02-11:2182797:Comment:23796922014-02-11T23:55:07.028ZFuturehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/Future
Not so much of a biblical contradiction, but I have a serious beef with a common argument for god that is nothing more than a slight of hand intended to misdirect the conversation - the idiotic "free will" defense. Religionists will resort to this in any number of arguments, treating it like a trump card: "God gave us free will to make our own decisions. He could have made us like robots, or angels, with no free will to do as we please."<br></br>
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Notice the two things that 'he could have made…
Not so much of a biblical contradiction, but I have a serious beef with a common argument for god that is nothing more than a slight of hand intended to misdirect the conversation - the idiotic "free will" defense. Religionists will resort to this in any number of arguments, treating it like a trump card: "God gave us free will to make our own decisions. He could have made us like robots, or angels, with no free will to do as we please."<br/>
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Notice the two things that 'he could have made us like'? Robots are assembled by advanced humans with mechanical parts made by humans from materials harvested and synthesized by humans, and angels are exactly as believable as the FSM. In other words, the opposite of free will does not realistically exist in any organic life form known to exist in reality. To accept this argument is no better than believing that events in the bible must be true because the bible says they are true. I've seen dogs that love to skateboard, and squirrels that appear to like to waterski, and there is evidence to show that even amoebas can choose when to exhibit certain behaviors under given circumstances. The free will argument is a farce. Saying that god could have chosen not to give us free will is like saying god could have chosen not to make water wet. I think he zapped it out of s…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2014-02-11:2182797:Comment:23794692014-02-11T20:08:55.815ZBrendahttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/2yx1z1pvqzlm1
<p>I think he zapped it out of season to boot</p>
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<p>I think he zapped it out of season to boot</p>
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<p></p> Dr. Clark has it exactly righ…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2014-02-11:2182797:Comment:23796262014-02-11T14:15:32.616ZMichael Pennhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/DennisMichaelPennington
<p>Dr. Clark has it exactly right here, and to this day the christians will tell you that one of these genealogies is that of Mary. How can they do their apologetics and research and even keep a straight face while saying this?</p>
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<p>Maybe it is all like the Assumption of Mary. At the end of Mary's life it became a popular belief that she was drawn bodily into heaven while still alive. This belief was pretty solid by 600 AD. In modern times one of the Popes declared that it was true.…</p>
<p>Dr. Clark has it exactly right here, and to this day the christians will tell you that one of these genealogies is that of Mary. How can they do their apologetics and research and even keep a straight face while saying this?</p>
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<p>Maybe it is all like the Assumption of Mary. At the end of Mary's life it became a popular belief that she was drawn bodily into heaven while still alive. This belief was pretty solid by 600 AD. In modern times one of the Popes declared that it was true. God had revealed it to him.</p>
<p>Most of the christian world is made up of fables like this, but the Assumption would explain away siteings of Mary through the centuries. I'm still wondering how they knew what she looked like?</p> The genealogies are supposed…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2014-02-11:2182797:Comment:23794432014-02-11T13:59:38.368ZDr. Allan H. Clarkhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/DrAllanHClark
<p>The genealogies are supposed to establish that Jesus is descended from Adam through the line of King David, but of course they cannot do that if the theology is correct and that itself is another contradiction.</p>
<p>One explanation offered for the discrepancies (and in support of the theology) is that one genealogy is that of Mary, even though it does not explicitly say so. There is a problem with this explanation also: genealogies did not show descent through the female line because there…</p>
<p>The genealogies are supposed to establish that Jesus is descended from Adam through the line of King David, but of course they cannot do that if the theology is correct and that itself is another contradiction.</p>
<p>One explanation offered for the discrepancies (and in support of the theology) is that one genealogy is that of Mary, even though it does not explicitly say so. There is a problem with this explanation also: genealogies did not show descent through the female line because there was no understanding of the female contribution to the biology. The understanding of the biology at the time was flawed: it was thought that male planted his seed in the female, who served only as the soil in which it grew.</p>
<p>However there is no way to reconcile these lineages with the one from the Old Testament.</p>