I really don't know what weight I want/need to get down to, I'm thinking 170-165lbs? I'm only 5'10". It's hard to get an honest answer with calipers because of the loose skin (it gives me a low bf%), the waist/neck measurement method puts me at 17% bf when measuring at navel (34.5" abdominal/15.75" neck). But again, I don't know how accurate that is because of the skin. Just gotta keep grinding away I guess.

Holy cow that is some awesome results for a bit shy of a month! I love the combination of ES and AA. I know economically some might choose to run one at a time, but I don't know anyone who has combined them that hasn't been pleased. I've done this numerous times and am going to do it again in about a week.

Holy cow that is some awesome results for a bit shy of a month! I love the combination of ES and AA. I know economically some might choose to run one at a time, but I don't know anyone who has combined them that hasn't been pleased. I've done this numerous times and am going to do it again in about a week.

Congrats on the results and keep up the good work!

Perhaps this has inspired the generosity of Geoforce, one of the most giving reps and make him want to convince Matt to do a promo for someone to run this 2 at the same time for 1 month in a log so we can have more amazing testimonies like this.

Impressive. I have never used these topicals but I guess one bottle lasts about a month?

Obviously this depends on how much one uses. I get a little over a month applying both once daily. No need to ever go twice with Abliderate Advanced, but some users double up on the Smolder. Also depends on how many different places you use Smolder. I put it on my core and pecs, but some apply to pre-workout areas (arms/shoulders say) and I know critical bench does it for his hams.

Perhaps this has inspired the generosity of Geoforce, one of the most giving reps and make him want to convince Matt to do a promo for someone to run this 2 at the same time for 1 month in a log so we can have more amazing testimonies like this.

I actually really like this idea. I may just give away a bit of my stash or talk to the higher ups and make this happen.

Obviously this depends on how much one uses. I get a little over a month applying both once daily. No need to ever go twice with Abliderate Advanced, but some users double up on the Smolder. Also depends on how many different places you use Smolder. I put it on my core and pecs, but some apply to pre-workout areas (arms/shoulders say) and I know critical bench does it for his hams.

Gotcha. So from what I understand, AA is more for someone that is say 15%+ BF and smolder for < 15% BF?

Gotcha. So from what I understand, AA is more for someone that is say 15%+ BF and smolder for < 15% BF?

Both are for different purposes...and different kinds of fat. Though AA for me seems to be the best at any level of BF, I just regard smolder as something good to chisel the last details into a masterpiece of hard muscle.

Gotcha. So from what I understand, AA is more for someone that is say 15%+ BF and smolder for < 15% BF?

Generally the results from Smolder will be better seen at a lower bodyfat, but it isn't as if it doesn't do anything for those over 15%. AA works well at any bodyfat as it tackles cortisol around the midsection. We usually recommend AA for those with more visceral fat and ES for those with more subcutaneous fat. That said the combination works very well as we've already discussed! ES can also be used in more areas and as a pre-workout for those who choose to do so.

Perhaps this has inspired the generosity of Geoforce, one of the most giving reps and make him want to convince Matt to do a promo for someone to run this 2 at the same time for 1 month in a log so we can have more amazing testimonies like this.

Hmm... eye jay es, I do have debit carb in hand on a retailer that is actually carrying these right now, about to buy for the same exact purpose as this guy (formerly SUPER fat, can see abs, but weird gelatinous mess is surrounding for some reason), but I may just hold off on the purchase until I can determine if GeoForce is being serious about this or not...

Hmm... eye jay es, I do have debit carb in hand on a retailer that is actually carrying these right now, about to buy for the same exact purpose as this guy (formerly SUPER fat, can see abs, but weird gelatinous mess is surrounding for some reason), but I may just hold off on the purchase until I can determine if GeoForce is being serious about this or not...

You have to wait for the skin to tighten, it is not only subcutaneous water holding but lose skin too. Think of it as the atoning cross us former-fatties must carry for ever letting ourselves turn into big blobs of fat.

Gotcha. So from what I understand, AA is more for someone that is say 15%+ BF and smolder for < 15% BF?

Generally the results from Smolder will be better seen at a lower bodyfat, but it isn't as if it doesn't do anything for those over 15%. AA works well at any bodyfat as it tackles cortisol around the midsection. We usually recommend AA for those with more visceral fat and ES for those with more subcutaneous fat. That said the combination works very well as we've already discussed! ES can also be used in more areas and as a pre-workout for those who choose to do so.

Hmm... eye jay es, I do have debit carb in hand on a retailer that is actually carrying these right now, about to buy for the same exact purpose as this guy (formerly SUPER fat, can see abs, but weird gelatinous mess is surrounding for some reason), but I may just hold off on the purchase until I can determine if GeoForce is being serious about this or not...

This would be something that we probably wouldn't do for a bit considering we just had 4 Smolder logs and we will have some other things going on first. But I'm marking this down for the near future to come back to an AA+ES log. I'd go ahead and order if interested and look for the log later on.