On February 28 2012 04:23 Offhand wrote:Ryze should destroy Fizz. Fizz gets a dash and maybe an auto off and then eats a full Ryze combo.

QWQ -> Fizz hops on spear -> QEQ -> Fizz still running the hell away.

Pre-6 Ryze can't kill Fizz or really hurt him that much, post-6 a full Fizz combo does way more than a Ryze combo. I dunno, maybe its different at 2k elo, but when I get Fizz against a Ryze, i seem to crush him. If Fizz makes it to 6 safely without dieing and with a little CS he's a beast that can push the lane in a hurry and roam wherever he wants. He's a beast in jungle fights, a beast in dragon fights and a scary as shit ganker. Ryze can't hurt him enough to slow him down.

Annie is different. As long as you don't go at her while her stun is up, she can't do shit to you and her animations give you plenty of time to troll-poll out of them.

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this must have been asked many many times, but who can stay even or possibly beat ww in lane? haven't played league in like 2 months and ww seems to be the most problematic. i'd use the search but searching something lol-related is really weird in that someone's post a week old might be outdated etc

Fizz is super vulnerable his first 3-4 levels. If you make sure you know where their jungler is roughly or have your flash up you can pretty much deny him all farm. Midgame Fizz is incredibly strong, but lategame he just get's gibbed as soon as he goes in, trident or no. He's fun but I just don't see him being anywhere near as effective as other AP's exept perhaps in very specific comps.

On February 28 2012 05:00 billy5000 wrote:this must have been asked many many times, but who can stay even or possibly beat ww in lane? haven't played league in like 2 months and ww seems to be the most problematic. i'd use the search but searching something lol-related is really weird in that someone's post a week old might be outdated etc

Yorick decimates WW. Trynd and WW farmfest it up and imo Trynd is better late. Nasus same deal.

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I've been tinkering around with running Graves top recently. Anywho, I laned against Yorick (who is the biggest asshole ever) and it didn't feel solid at all. His ghoul spam outranges my autoattacks zzz, I couldn't run him oom without running out of life (started boots+3, armor yellows, mr blues, armor pen reds, and AD quints). I even got a kill and an assist with jungler assistance since he was pushed into my tower 24/7, but I still couldn't fight him 1v1 without eating a facefull of ghouls and him healing back anything I did to him. I built 2 dorans, vamp scepter, second boots, then worked towards IE. Would going Wriggles instead of dorans have been better? Any advice on the match-up?

Speaking of Malz, I asked a while back, but got no real response. Why is this dude not really seen that often? Sick laning, huge combo, great 1v1 and cleanup. I'm surprised he's kind of gone by the wayside.

On February 28 2012 05:13 Hyren wrote:I've been tinkering around with running Graves top recently. Anywho, I laned against Yorick (who is the biggest asshole ever) and it didn't feel solid at all. His ghoul spam outranges my autoattacks zzz, I couldn't run him oom without running out of life (started boots+3, armor yellows, mr blues, armor pen reds, and AD quints). I even got a kill and an assist with jungler assistance since he was pushed into my tower 24/7, but I still couldn't fight him 1v1 without eating a facefull of ghouls and him healing back anything I did to him. I built 2 dorans, vamp scepter, second boots, then worked towards IE. Would going Wriggles instead of dorans have been better? Any advice on the match-up?

Edited to not double post. Graves (and most ranged AD) are actually just sick good top, because they crush any top laner without a gap closer. Yorick is a bitch and a half for everyone.

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On February 27 2012 19:52 Shikyo wrote:Who's going to be bothered by the 2 autos and 40 magic damage? Either they have too much sustain to care(Yorick WW Tryndamere Xin Zhao, Olaf, Nasus and so on) or they outtrade you to hell and back(Riven, Pantheon)

Well I'd be happy to try VS you then, care to play a few 1v1s on EU server ?

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On February 28 2012 05:00 billy5000 wrote:this must have been asked many many times, but who can stay even or possibly beat ww in lane? haven't played league in like 2 months and ww seems to be the most problematic. i'd use the search but searching something lol-related is really weird in that someone's post a week old might be outdated etc

I've been counter picking WW with Riven, she poops on him early and scales harder.

Trade hard early, WW usually needs to OOM himself to stay alive then just zone and outfarm him. Only real risk is getting ganked early which is eliminated by just asking your Support to ward for you.

By the mid game you should have atleast a 20-30 CS lead and likely a level advantage. At which point the matchup becomes a free farm because You can't really hurt WW once he gets a Forzen heart or even just Glacial shroud, but WW can't really put out a kill on you either. Obviously, since you Riven free farm never bad.

I've literally never lost a lane as riven to WW, the one game the WW got all of his teams blues too. You know you doing something right when the enemy top laner is getting blue over mid in Solo queue.

On February 28 2012 05:00 billy5000 wrote:this must have been asked many many times, but who can stay even or possibly beat ww in lane? haven't played league in like 2 months and ww seems to be the most problematic. i'd use the search but searching something lol-related is really weird in that someone's post a week old might be outdated etc

Yorick decimates WW. Trynd and WW farmfest it up and imo Trynd is better late. Nasus same deal.

On February 28 2012 05:00 billy5000 wrote:this must have been asked many many times, but who can stay even or possibly beat ww in lane? haven't played league in like 2 months and ww seems to be the most problematic. i'd use the search but searching something lol-related is really weird in that someone's post a week old might be outdated etc

Yorick decimates WW. Trynd and WW farmfest it up and imo Trynd is better late. Nasus same deal.

I'd rather have a WW on my team lategame than a Nasus...

Nasus Ws your carry and oneshots them while WWs ulti is still going on. I think you're underestimating the power of a freefarm Nasus.

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On February 28 2012 05:22 Kaniol wrote:Why don't you guys talk about Fizz in a Fizz thread and WW in a WW thread? :/

Because often while talking about/comparing different characters in certain scenarios, the best place to do so is a common board than across several different threads. We're talking about Fizz and his matchups/who you could play instead. Perfectly legitimate for GD.

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On February 28 2012 05:00 billy5000 wrote:this must have been asked many many times, but who can stay even or possibly beat ww in lane? haven't played league in like 2 months and ww seems to be the most problematic. i'd use the search but searching something lol-related is really weird in that someone's post a week old might be outdated etc

Yorick decimates WW. Trynd and WW farmfest it up and imo Trynd is better late. Nasus same deal.

I'd rather have a WW on my team lategame than a Nasus...

Nasus Ws your carry and oneshots them while WWs ulti is still going on. I think you're underestimating the power of a freefarm Nasus.

Nasus has a lot more downside than ww does. Even equal farm nasus can be kited much harder than ww and his CC is cleansable. That doesnt even take into account the ramp up time to GET to that stage.

WW is a much more reliable late game character than Nasus.

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On February 28 2012 05:22 Kaniol wrote:Why don't you guys talk about Fizz in a Fizz thread and WW in a WW thread? :/

Because often while talking about/comparing different characters in certain scenarios, the best place to do so is a common board than across several different threads. We're talking about Fizz and his matchups/who you could play instead. Perfectly legitimate for GD.

There was no comparison. First post by sob3k was a basic question, which should have gone into the Fizz thread.

On February 28 2012 05:22 Kaniol wrote:Why don't you guys talk about Fizz in a Fizz thread and WW in a WW thread? :/

Because often while talking about/comparing different characters in certain scenarios, the best place to do so is a common board than across several different threads. We're talking about Fizz and his matchups/who you could play instead. Perfectly legitimate for GD.

There was no comparison. First post by sob3k was a basic question, which should have gone into the Fizz thread.

Fair enough, but at this point you can't really move it there, you know? Comparing late game and laning effectiveness of multiple champs is hard to limit to one champ discussion. That first post probably should have gone there, though.

Bad sob3k.

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The one downside of this champs thread kick is that some discussions that SHOULD go in GD end up getting shipped over into threads people might not go into or end up going out of scope for those threads.

Like ATM Yango, Slayer, Smash and I are all debating the relative farm of the jungle to other lanes and phases of the game, and where a jungle gets most of their farm, but its in the Udyr thread. Relevant to Udyr, but probably would be more useful in the GD thread.

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On February 28 2012 05:14 Requizen wrote:Speaking of Malz, I asked a while back, but got no real response. Why is this dude not really seen that often? Sick laning, huge combo, great 1v1 and cleanup. I'm surprised he's kind of gone by the wayside.

He's generally much harder to play than other APs, without being much better than them for the effort (and arguably worse).

His laning is really strong, but it depends heavily on your ability to last-hit and land skill shots. Malefic Visions is unreliable early on as a clearing tool because all too often creeps steal your CS, and much of the time you need to last-hit normally anyway because you don't want to push the lane or you want to use Malefic Visions for harass. Call of the Void is also one of the harder skillshots to land in a laning situation, but is crucial in a number of matchups.

When it comes to teamfighting Malzahar has issues that are somewhat akin AP Nunu. His ability to perform his role is stymied by the potential for the enemy team to interrupt his ultimate. Against uncoordinated teams or lower Elos that's not a big issue, but the further up you go the more difficult it becomes to find that safe moment to use your ult. Null Zone is also an ability that requires coordination to use effectively in a team fight, moreso than the vast majority of AoEs in the game.

This is not to say that Malzahar is bad, but that he's difficult to play effectively. The problem is that even when he's effective Malzahar isn't quite as good as his peers. So you can spend a lot of time mastering Malzahar and play a champion who's not quite as good as all the other APs, or you can play an easier AP and do better (or be Froggen and master Anivia).

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