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- New Vegas was buggy, but that was largely due to Bethesda's Gamebryo engine. This is something that they worked to great lengths to fix up to some degree. There are even points in Obsidian's code where they sigh at the incompetence of Gamebryo, and I don't blame them. Regardless of this, New Vegas was nowhere near the buggy mess that Fallout 3 was at release.

Gamebryo is not and never has been Bethesda's engine. They used NetImmersion for Morrowind, it became Gamebryo between that and Oblivion, and from then on they've used Gamebryo but it is not their engine.

However, this season has been very, very good. I don't know if Trey and Matt were reinvigorated by their Tony win, but there were a bunch of episodes this season on par with anything they've ever done.

Er.... anyway... is South Park still going? I remember kind of enjoying it when I was in University - FOURTEEN YEARS AGO! Good grief now i feel old.... *cries*

ahem, anyway, I haven't seen or heard anything about South park for at least the last 5 years. I honestly assumed it ended about 8 years back.
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On a at-least-slightly-related topic - if Obsidian are working on a Wheel of Time RPG - has anyone read the last 2(?) Wheel of Time novels? Like most people, I got bored around book 4, but powered my way through to about 8 or 9. Then the guy kicked the bucket and I never heard whether it's worth going back for the last 2 to find out how it all ends. and whether I wasted all that time.

On the plus side, if the Wheel of Time RPG ends abruptly and nonsensically, it might not be Obsidian's fault for once.

I have to agree. NWN2 has a poor story, uninspired villains, and a terrible terrible combat system. There are moments of genius in there like any Obsidian game (the castle and the party banter), but it's certainly not amongst Obsidian's best games. That would be Alpha Protocol and KotoR 2.

After waning by season 7 or 8, it changed up its format, ditched the tired Kenny gag, introduced and reinforced several supporting characters and became a really good satirical show. It has good and bad episodes but as a whole it has aged much more gracefully than either The Simpsons or Family Guy.

South Park has honestly matured, not spoiled. This season alone has given us the surprisingly moving mid-season finale "You're Getting Old", which had such a strong sense of finality to it that people wondered if it really was the show's swansong.

Plus I appreciate that it's the only animated show which can be as topical as it is - because of the simple style they animate in a few days what would take other shows months to put together, so they can react to current news while it's still current. 15 seasons in and it's still on my regular watch list.

But having confessed all that, I still can't bring myself to get excited for this game. It just sounds a terrible idea. :(

One of those ideas that is crazy enough that it just might work. I like Obsidian and I like South Park, they sound like a complete mis-match, but it can't be any worse than the South Park fps released on the N64 back in the day, with its yellow snowballs.

I agree that NWN2 OC wasn't the most amazing campaign, but Mask of the Betrayer story-wise and character-wise was very good. NWN2 is probably the game I've played most out of any game of all time, due to the Pw scene.

What? It's a D&D game that gets combat completely wrong. Just compare its implementation of 3.5E combat to Troika's Temple of Elemental Evil.

Originally Posted by Wizardry

Fixed. If I want a good story and good characters I'd read a book.

Then if you want a really good implementation of 3.5E combat, why not play 3.5E.

Your entire argument around RPGs stems from deriving your definition from an entirely different medium: the PnP RPG. Then you dismiss story by saying another medium does it better.

I honestly don't see the appeal of just replicating PnP RPG on a computer, if I want that experience, I can just go and play D&D. Games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, etc at least give me experiences I can't get anywhere else other than videogames.

That's true. Neverwinter Nights II is far better than anything BioWare released after the Baldur's Gate games. Having said that, it's still not particularly good.

Originally Posted by R-F

Every thread, Wizardry. Every thread and every time it is a different person.

If you are the sole connecting factor between every argument, maybe YOU are the issue.

Or the more logical answer that it's those same four or five people that can't live with the fact that someone else hates games they like.

Originally Posted by kyrieee

You heard it here first folks.
Games have no business telling stories.

Games can tell stories alright. Just not at the expense of the game.

Originally Posted by deano2099

Then if you want a really good implementation of 3.5E combat, why not play 3.5E.

Your entire argument around RPGs stems from deriving your definition from an entirely different medium: the PnP RPG. Then you dismiss story by saying another medium does it better.

I honestly don't see the appeal of just replicating PnP RPG on a computer, if I want that experience, I can just go and play D&D. Games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, etc at least give me experiences I can't get anywhere else other than videogames.

Several reasons:
1) CRPGs can have far more complex rules than pen and paper RPGs.
2) Playing a CRPG is much more convenient and requires a lot less organisation.

After waning by season 7 or 8, it changed up its format, ditched the tired Kenny gag, introduced and reinforced several supporting characters and became a really good satirical show. It has good and bad episodes but as a whole it has aged much more gracefully than either The Simpsons or Family Guy.

Well, Family Guy is a glammed-up clip show and the Simpsons have gone through so many writers it's a surprise there's any narrative cohesion at all. I haven't followed South Park as closely as I did for the first 13 seasons of the Simpsons, but there have been quite a few South Park duds that I can remember.

Or the more logical answer that it's those same four or five people that can't live with the fact that someone else hates games they like.

Why do you take it upon yourself to enter every single thread about current RPGs and hate on the people who talk about them? Is it really only because you can't stand that they like these types of games?

Why do you take it upon yourself to enter every single thread about current RPGs and hate on the people who talk about them? Is it really only because you can't stand that they like these types of games?