The maximum dimensions of an artcar or mutant vehicles are determined strictly by your creativity. There have been some massive party barges built on bus or truck frames. Size doesn't matter! There, I said it.

Shambala wrote:The maximum dimensions of an artcar or mutant vehicles are determined strictly by your creativity. There have been some massive party barges built on bus or truck frames. Size doesn't matter! There, I said it.

Thansk Shambala..

I understand that there are limits to the size of vehicles that are allowed to drive in BRC itself around the streets...

Get it totally that there are no limits on the Playa..

I want to ensure my vehicle is not too big to get a licence to drive around the streets of BRC

Streets are about 12 feet wide. Remember that you might have a vehicle coming in the other direction, so you may use the side streets to get to the open playa, but I wouldn't plan on cruising the back streets.

Shambala wrote:Streets are about 12 feet wide. Remember that you might have a vehicle coming in the other direction, so you may use the side streets to get to the open playa, but I wouldn't plan on cruising the back streets.

Errrrr. I think they are 30 feet wide except in areas that are pedestrian only or where people have parked permanently on the street. I'm sure 2 full sized street vehicles can pass each other on the vast majority of streets in BRC.

One consideration is if you build it large enough that overtaking or passing is not possible on city streets then at some point in time someone will have to back up to give way. Backing is dangerous under normal circumstances and especially challenging with mutant vehicles where the operator many times can not see behind the vehicle. Make a plan on how to mitigate the hazards of operating a very wide vehicle and then go for it.

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There is a limit. I don't know what it is, and a quick look at the mv pages on the main site didn't dig it up. I"m in a hurry, so you can practice radical self-reliance by reading those pages, and maybe sending an email, or you can practice radical sesillism by sitting here and hoping lemur chimes in.

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Shambala wrote:The maximum dimensions of an artcar or mutant vehicles are determined strictly by your creativity. There have been some massive party barges built on bus or truck frames. Size doesn't matter! There, I said it.

Thansk Shambala..

I understand that there are limits to the size of vehicles that are allowed to drive in BRC itself around the streets...

Get it totally that there are no limits on the Playa..

I want to ensure my vehicle is not too big to get a licence to drive around the streets of BRC

I'm glad you're checking. There actually are a few limits on the playa, but I've seen mutant vehicles the size of a city bus. That said, your mutant vehicle must be licensed specifically for the playa. The drivers pre-register online. (This year, the registration period was February 15 – May 15, 2012).

Streets are 30 feet or larger wide, but the DMV will make the determination at the point of inspection whether or not the vehicle is considered safe for the streets. If not, it may still be granted an open playa only license. They can also grant day only or night only licenses.

Of course, this is all assuming that you've already submitted a successful questionnaire (deadline was way back on May 20th), and that your vehicle passes all the other requirements the DMV has for mutation and safety, etc. Just being small enough to fit on the streets does not in any way guarantee you'll be inspected and cleared.

theCryptofishist wrote:There is a limit. I don't know what it is, and a quick look at the mv pages on the main site didn't dig it up. I"m in a hurry, so you can practice radical self-reliance by reading those pages, and maybe sending an email, or you can practice radical sesillism by sitting here and hoping lemur chimes in.

Yep. there is a limit, and i dont remember what it is.. and it isnt in the DMV Manual either (oddly enough)

theres an issue/bug with the DMV database right now that kludges the length/width/height of vehicles and all we get is the length.. so a search for vehicles with playa only licenses in the past, and this year, wasnt much help in looking it up..

it will be determined on-playa if its a concern.. and usually.. if the processing team can determine so before the playa theyll make sure the owner of the vehicle knows when they get the invite email..., contact the dmv for real help: dmv [at) burningman (dot] com

I did see one which seemed too wide for the streets, barely fit with big outriggers, and then tried to squeeze between two daytime camps where the bikes had spilled into the street. It wasn't pretty. Several years ago.

That prompts a side question. What if two camps on opposite sides of the street want to build a bridge or a zip-line across the street? I am assuming that this would not be allowed, since wwe don't know how tall the MVs are.

Ugly Dougly wrote:That prompts a side question. What if two camps on opposite sides of the street want to build a bridge or a zip-line across the street? I am assuming that this would not be allowed, since wwe don't know how tall the MVs are.

I've had this thought myself. I've wanted to build a boy scout rope bridge over the streets, but then saw the Christina lumbering by my camp.

Ugly Dougly wrote:That prompts a side question. What if two camps on opposite sides of the street want to build a bridge or a zip-line across the street? I am assuming that this would not be allowed, since wwe don't know how tall the MVs are.

Correct. You will be asked to remove the zip-line provided it hasn't already been yanked apart by a passing MV.

Regardless of you actual size, negotiating inner city streets can be difficult. I have had 3 smaller mv's my first in 2009. Which was my first burn was a longhorned steer skull built on a Honda civic frame and had a 12' wingspan horn tip to hon tip. It was insane to navigate to streets and let the bicyclist and pedestrians move freely along with us. And we ended up using the outer ring and 3,6,&9 to move about. Remember if your vehicle driver is blind spotted in any way. Or your mv extends in a way that expands its basic shape (via swings tails antennae etc.) you may be required to have walkers, to act as clearance guides...even to or from your own camp. And as was pointed out before rangers etc.mtry to keep bicycles from extending out into the streets at large camps or crowded events but even with my current 7' wide seeing eye frog mv I have had to wait or turn around during street narrowings over the past 3 years.