Popes vs. Jews

J’accuse, of course, is the title of the most famous open letter ever published, in which Emile Zola, the most celebrated French author of his time, charged the French government, in January 1898, with illegally sentencing Captain Alfred Dreyfus to life in prison. Dreyfus, who was Jewish, had been charged with spying and convicted of treason, and Zola charged that Dreyfus had been framed precisely because he was Jewish. The Italian writer Giulio Meotti’s decision to give his new book the title The Vatican against Israel: J’accuse is no coincidence. His topic, like Zola’s, is institutional anti-Semitism – the institutions, in this case, being Christian churches. He doesn’t ignore the Church of England and the various Protestant and Eastern churches, but his focus is on Roman Catholicism, and especially on the last several Popes. Like Zola, Meotti is unsparing. Citing historian Daniel Goldhagen’s statement that the Catholic Church, after the Shoah, had the moral obligation to defend Israel and Jews, Meotti flatly sums up his thesis: “This book shows that the Vatican tragically failed, and has forsaken the Jews again.”

Meotti’s jeremiad, then, is mostly about the postwar Church – although he does provide a few choice samples of Vatican rhetoric before and during the war. In 1904, Pope Pius X explained his opposition to a Jewish state in this way: “The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.” In 1919, Benedict XIV “called the Jews ‘infidels’ whose coming to power [in the Holy Land] would cause ‘terrible grief for us.’” In 1922, the Jesuit magazine CiviltàCattolica insisted on the “necessity of hating” Judaism. The first Arabic translation of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was published by the Catholic Church in Jerusalem; the book’s first French translator was a writer for the Vatican daily L’Osservatore Romano. When Arabs slaughtered Jews in a 1929 pogrom, that same newspaper absolved the Arabs of guilt, instead blaming “the politics of Zionism.”

As for the wartime church, here are a couple of tidbits courtesy of Meotti. In 1943 Archbishop Angelo Roncalli, who would become Pope John XXIII, pronounced himself “uneasy about the attempts of Jews to reach Palestine, as if they were trying to reconstruct a Jewish kingdom.” Pius XII’s Undersecretary of State also rejected the idea of a Jewish state, saying “Palestine is by now holier for Catholics than for Jews.”

It’s no news, admittedly, that the Roman Catholic Church was anti-Semitic before the Holocaust, and that Pius XII could’ve spoken up more firmly about the Final Solution. But what about the post-Holocaust era? The generally accepted narrative is more or less as follows (I quote from a recent article in the National Catholic Register): “Blessed Pope John XXIII reset Catholic-Jewish relations in the 1960s, seeking to reconcile the grievances of the past, in which Catholics had treated Jews less like beloved brothers and more like strangers – or worse, as enemies. The Church approved that outreach in 1965 at the Second Vatican Council with the document Nostra Aetate, and Popes Paul VI, Blessed John Paul II and Benedict XVI all continued efforts to deepen those relations.”

Meotti begs to differ. He documents the fact that, in the immediate postwar years, the Vatican – hardly penitential about its failure to stand up for Jews under the Nazis – called Israel’s founding “tragic,” the Vatican news agency called Zionism “the new Nazism,” and Civiltà Cattolica called Israel “racist” and “fanatic.”

John Paul II is widely seen as a bridge-builder between Catholics and Jews. Meotti, however, shows that on several occasions he characterized Israel as an aggressor and Palestinians as victims, and at least once compared Israel’s treatment of Palestinians to the Final Solution. Whereas the Holy See waited until 1993 to recognize Israeli statehood, JPII frequently called for a Palestinian homeland. During his papacy, L’Osservatore Romano accused Israel of “extermination,” of “barbaric acts,” of “profan[ing] with fire and iron the land of the Resurrected,” and of deliberately “killing…harmless babies.”

The latter charge prompted a protest by Oriana Fallaci herself, who wrote: “I find it shameful that the newspaper of the Pope…accuses of extermination a people who were exterminated in the millions by Christians. By Europeans. I find it shameful that this newspaper denies to the survivors of that people (survivors who still have numbers tattooed on their arms) the right to react, to defend themselves, to not be exterminated again.” Meotti finds it shameful, too. JPII, he charges, “was morally blind to the nature of the Arab-Israel conflict. By his actions and silence, the Pope condoned and legitimized Arab terrorism.”

That’s not all. Meotti also criticizes JPII for “repeatedly embracing the man who was responsible for introducing terrorism against innocent individuals.” He’s referring, of course, to Yasser Arafat. Over the years, JPII held a total of eleven meetings with Arafat, the first of them well before Arafat’s Peace Prize. When Arafat died, a Vatican statement declared it an “hour of sadness” and a papal spokesman said, “May God welcome in His mercy the soul of the illustrious deceased.”

It was also JPII, Meotti argues, who while still a cardinal in Poland began “to transform the Holocaust into a Catholic event.” Meaning what? Well, for example, at a 1970 ceremony the Pope “distributed ashes from Auschwitz,” apparently either not knowing or caring that by “touching, removing, and distributing…the remains of Jews’ dead bodies” he was doing something that Jews would consider “a desecration of the dead.” It was on JPII’s watch that a convent was built at Auschwitz in 1984; in response to worldwide Jewish outrage at this move, the Mother Superior asked: “Why do the Jews want special treatment in Auschwitz only for themselves? Do they still consider themselves the chosen people?” It was JPII, too, who beatified Catholic convert Edith Stein, who’d been murdered at Auschwitz for having been born Jewish. For JPII, writes Meotti, “Stein demonstrated that the very symbol of Jewish martyrdom, Auschwitz, was not a Jewish event, or the expression of anti-Semitism nurtured by two thousand years of Christian teaching of contempt, but a place of Christian suffering and redemption.”

Things got no better, in Meotti’s view, under JPII’s successor. Benedict XVI. One point of continuity, as he demonstrates, was that during both papacies many high-level churchmen habitually served up Palestinian liberation theology rhetoric – comparing Palestinians to Jesus, while casting the Jews once again in the role of the crucifying villains.

“Did the Church,” asks Meotti toward the close of his book, “learn that the road to Hell is paved with silence?” But as his own indictment makes clear, the Church’s main offense, in the years since World War II, hasn’t been keeping quiet but sounding off in unpalatable ways.

Critical though he is of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, Meotti allows himself to hold out hope for the current Vicar of Christ, who, he notes, has “celebrated Rosh Hashanah and Hanukkah in synagogues, voiced solidarity with Jewish victims of Iranian terrorism and co-written a book with a rabbi, Avraham Skorka.” Just this week, the American Jewish Committee praised Pope Francis’s affirmation of Catholic-Jewish relations in his first Apostolic Exhortation, Evangelii Gaudium (The Joy of the Gospel). Meotti worries, however, that even under a personally philosemitic pontiff, the Vatican will persist in its tendency “to drive a wedge between the ‘good’ and docile Jews of the Diaspora and the ‘bad’ and arrogant Jews of Israel.”

His concern may be well-founded. And there’s another reason to hold the applause: as one recent commentator approvingly put it, Francis is “more relaxed than his predecessor about the threat that the Muslim faithful represent to Roman Catholicism.” In September, the pontiff sent off a chummy note to the Great Imam of Al-Azhar University in Cairo expressing his “respect” for Islam. And in his Apostolic Exhortation, he warns against “hateful generalisations” about the Religion of Peace. How genuinely and meaningfully friendly can a Pope be to Jews and Israel, one wonders, when he seems bent on playing “let’s pretend” about Islam and overlooking the virulent Jew-hatred that’s preached and taught at places like Al-Azhar?

Bruce Bawer is a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center and the author of “While Europe Slept” and “Surrender.” His book "The Victims' Revolution: The Rise of Identity Studies and the Closing of the Liberal Mind" is just out from Broadside / Harper Collins.

DeShawn

Real Christians have nothing to apologize to the jews for. Don’t forget they killed Jesus, persecuted early Christians, and are now trying to destory Christianity in the US. They promote secular things while practicing their own wicked religion at the same time. Jews are the biggest hypocrites in the world.

Andy_Lewis

Go back to Stormfront where you and your hateful bilge belong.

southwood

I think you better get back to the JDF where your hateful bilge belongs.

defcon 4

What “points” would those be dim bulb? That the “Jews killed Jesus (even though it was the Romans who did so)”? Or that “Jews are the biggest hypocrites in the world”?

southwood

Yes, both of these points, clown.

Gee

If you think either needs to be refuted then you are not as smart as a clown. You are racist clone

southwood

You expose yourself as an antichristian fascist.

Gee

No stupid – am an Israeli Jew and have nothing at all to do with your idol worship

southwood

Really ? So what is your idol then. Or are you afraid to expose yourself as “stupid”. LOL.

Gee

Jews do not worship idols. One day you might work yourself up to being stupid – but I doubt it

southwood

Anything can be an idol. Try and get that into your brain box. If you are capable of it.

southwood

OK, I’ll give you a chance. Did the Jews not get blamed in the bible, BY OTHER JEWS, for killing Jesus ? Yes, they certainly did. It was the Jews who had Jesus arrested. It was the Jews who refused to have him released when Pilate offered to release him. They cried “Away with him. Crucify him !” Pilate then acceded to their demands and handed him over to his soldiers as the lawful authority in the land, to carry out his execution. Then, while he died a slow agonizing death on the cross the Jews who passed by mocked him. Try and refute that. I dare you.

Black__Mamba

It was “the Jews”? All of them? The whole lot? Every Jew ever? Jews alive today have blood on their hands?

It’s too ridiculous to bother with.

defcon 4

The Jews of the 1st century CE did not practice crucifixion as a form of punishment, it was a Roman form of punishment that was widespread throughout their empire.

Gee

The Romans control the territory and they never took any instructions from the Jews. In fact their governor was removed because he loved to murder people.

So no we had nothing at all to do with it and you are wrong.

Oh by the way I just did refute your stupidity – your idol worshiping goyim have only themselves and Romans to blame

defcon 4

Once Herod died a Roman governor was appointed to rule Judea.

Gee

Pontius Pilate was the governor of Judea at the time. Herod had been dead for over 30 years.

southwood

As Jesus said, “Ye are of your father, the devil”.

Wolfthatknowsall

If Jesus had not allowed Himself to be crucified, could any power on earth have done so? To die on the Cross was His entire purpose for the Incarnation.

By your logic, suicide-bombers from Lebanon were killed by the Jews, also.

southwood

What weird theology you have. Read J

Wolfthatknowsall

Weird theology?

Could anyone have killed Jesus had he decided that He was not going to be killed? If Jesus is God, and He does not want to be killed … if that is not His purpose … then He is not killed. Do you grasp this simple concept?

It was Christ’s purpose to be “delivered up to the Scribes and Pharisees”, and to then to Pontius Pilatus, and then killed. His purpose. They had no power over Him but what He allowed them to have.

By your way of thinking, the huge crowds that gathered to listen to Jesus and be ministered to by Him were all secretly waiting their opportunity to kill Him. You blame ALL the Jews, and carry this blame down to the current generation.

You simply could not grasp the idea behind the suicide bomber analogy. Are the Jews who are killed by suicide bombers at fault because they are there?

southwood

Oh, let me make it simple for you. Yes, Jesus PURPOSED to be delivered up. But, what is so hard to grasp ? The Jews were still responsible for his death. One can say that no one can do ANYTHING without God allowing it. Nevertheless we are still responsible for our actions. Are you trying to deny that the Jews had him killed ? If you are, then your quarrel is with the scriptures.

Not ALL Jews brought about his death, no. But they acquiesced in it and thereby gave it tacit approval.

As for your absurd suicide bombers analogy, it’s not worth further comment.

Wolfthatknowsall

Now, let me make it simple for you, using a simple illustration …

If a person wishes to commit suicide by cop, is it the person who wishes to die, or the cops who shoot him, responsible for his death?

IF you believe that Jesus was God, and IF you believe that it was His purpose to die, then you must also believe that NO ONE could kill Him, unless He allowed it. After all, people sought His death before, and He easily thwarted them …

shalom1

“Forgive them for they know not what they do?” Metaphysically,
He was speaking to all of us.

John 10:18

No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. Should the aorist be the true reading, then the whole of the Incarnation must have been regarded by the Lord as already accomplished, as a completed fact. The οὐδεὶς, “no one” neither God, nor man, nor evil spirit – taketh it, i.e. my life, away from me, from myself, in the exercise of my sovereign will, in the full consciousness of spontaneity. I am laying it down, not in consequence of my impotence before the powers of darkness, but “from myself.”

“Jesus was not killed by the Romans. He was not killed by the Jews. He came into the world for one purpose … His death upon the Cross. This was His mission.”

Demetrius Minneapolis

JDF? WTF? Not sure of the others here, but I personally am way beyond the JDF. They stumble over their own feet half the time.

southwood

What are they called nowadays ? Chaim ben Pesach’s lot. Racist to the core but openly so. Outlawed in Israel I believe since Meir Kahane’s day.

Demetrius Minneapolis

Although aware of Chaim, I do not follow his group much, but there are other Rabbi Kahane groups that inspire me much more.

I think I got confused because you wrote JDF, and I was thinking you meant JDL. If Pesach is who you meant, that is JTF.

DeShawn

Look at how these jews, who so many Christian “shabbas goys” on this site support, attack you when you say the LEAST little thing that upsets them. The truth is they HATE Christians and have been taught to hate Christians since they were children. It’s all throughout their hate book, the talMUD. Please don’t be deceived…the jews do not deserve Christian support. They laugh at us behind ours backs and think of us as subhuman cattle. They accuse everyone else of hate, but THEY are the most hateful people in the world.

southwood

There’s something in what you say, particularly re the horrific Talmud. However we are to love our enemies. The Jews need the gospel just like anyone else. David Duke is a racist. Christianity is not racist. Christians are not to ignore the faults of Jews or Israel, and when we do, the Jews attack us viciously. But in that they are no different to RCs, Muslims, Hindus etc.

defcon 4

“the Jews attack us viciously”, I’d imagine the Christians who live in Israel don’t agree with you.

defcon 4

Yes, because muslimes are really the friends of the Christians aren’t they Aladdin Bin Lyin’?

DeShawn

I post on Stormfront and VNN. I may not agree with everything they say, but they understand the jewish problem. I’m here to try to educate the poor, uninformed “shabbas goys” who support jewish supremacism without really realizing it and are HATED by the people they support. This is a good video on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNMFZZOOZLg

SCREW SOCIALISM

Hey n a z i f i l t h , this video is for YOU and the rest of your klan.

WTF? What parallel universe do you live in, you sad, deluded little tick?

DeShawn

The universe 99% of the rest of the world lives in, where the truth about jews and your tyranny is KNOWN. You, the jewish fascists on this website, are the minority. YOU are the ones in your own universe. That’s the truth, whether you like it or not. There’s a reason why you’re hated everywhere you go; you are a hateful, vindictive people who spread fear, decadence, and corruption.

Hey jewrat, you post this picture every time. It wasn’t funny then, and it isn’t funny now. Too much inbreeding is your problem, your brain is damaged.

UCSPanther

Awww!!! Did I offend you?

Suck it up wimp. I am going to use that picture on you every time from here on out, because your conspiracy theories conjure up that image.

SCREW SOCIALISM

Hey na zi fil th,

Happy Eternal Nakba!

defcon 4

I doubt he’s a nazi — he hasn’t spewed and of the white supremacist garbage that is part and parcel of that ideology. He’s an islam0nazi — after all Mein Kampf is still a bestseller in the muslime world.

iluvisrael

keep drowning in your cesspool of envy!

southwood

I agree with all the points you make. They cannot be denied. However I note that you make no comment on the points raised in Mr.Bawer’s article and Mr.Meotti’s book. These are equally undeniable. The papacy never was any friend of Israel or the Jews. The Jews in the US tend to liberalism, so called, but there are an honourable number including such as Prager, Horowitz and Greenfield who adopt more conservative positions. As Christians we should wish for the protection of Israel and oppose anti-semitism wherever we find it.

wildjew

You wrote: “I agree with all the points you make. They cannot be denied.”

What points do you agree with? Some Jews (according to the gospel accounts) pressed for Jesus’ death, in particular the religious leaders (Pharisees, not all, Sadducees) with whom Jesus battled according to the accounts. Jesus early followers were Jews. Jesus reportedly said he “was only sent to the the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” There were some gentiles but mostly Jews who followed him. Multitudes followed him. He was born a Jew. He died a Jew. What points do you agree with? Secular liberalism is not the religion of the Jews; the law of Moses is the religion of the Jews. The two have virtually nothing in common.

southwood

Peter addressed the “men of Israel” thus, in Acts 3:14,15 : “Ye denied the Holy One … and killed the Prince of life…”. Peter saw the Jews as culpable in the death of Jesus. I agree with DeShawn on that point.

Also, people who called themselves Christians (such as popes and inquisitors) persecuted Jews but true Christians never ACTIVELY did. In Nazi Germany, for example, Christians often hid the Jews. Sadly, not all Christians were so conscientious. These Christians were too fearful. Pastor Niemoller’s famous poem (you know, the one about them coming for the Jews and all the others) exposed this lack of conscientious acivity. So I agree broadly with that point too. As for persecuting the early church, it is recorded in the bible.

Then we have the point about Jews seeking to destroy Christianity in America, which also is undeniable. Even some rabbis have commented on this. Political correctness really emerged from the Frankfurt School, all of whose leaders were Jews.

As for being a “wicked religion”, well, the Talmud is a wicked book. It has wicked teachings. It blasphemes Jesus. You say that the Law of Moses is the religion of the Jews. I think not. Orthodox Jews go by the Talmud, not the Old Testament.

defcon 4

I’ll bet the percentage of gentiles in the Jerusalem of the 1st century CE was a lot less than it is in today’s Jerusalem.

wildjew

You could be right. Jesus did interact and bless gentile followers. Do you know the percentage of gentiles in Jerusalem today off-hand? Are you talking about Palestinian Christians who largely hate Israel like their Muslim brethren or Christians and non-Jews who live in Israel because they love Israel?

defcon 4

I had thought E. Jerusalem (and the Temple Mount) were mostly muslime enclaves. I’d imagine the Temple Mount didn’t have any gentiles on it around 1 C.E.

Can you post it again. If it is moderated maybe you used a term like Na zi of some other word. That will automatically cause your post to be moderated.

southwood

If I can recall it I’ll repost it. One point I disagreed with you on was that the religion of Jews is the law of Moses. If that is so why do the great majority of Jews vote for Obama, a man who defies the law of Moses. Also, I was informed by an orthodox Jewess, that the Jews don’t follow the Old Testament. Is it not the Talmud that you follow ?

wildjew

I follow the written law of Moses (God’s law), not the Talmud. The Talmud to me is like a commentary. Do you believe everything you read in a commentary on the Bible? I didn’t think so. If Jews believed Moses and the commandments God gave to Moses, no way they would support Barack Obama. NO way. Obama is a racist. Obama sat in a Black supremacist, racist church for twenty years!

defcon 4

In the context of modern Judaism, how controversial is your first sentence? I know the Karaites might support it, but what about mainstream Judaism? I mean no offense by these questions, I hope it doesn’t cause any.

wildjew

By mainstream Judaism what do you mean? What is mainstream Judaism?

DeShawn

Thank you for your comments, sir. I’m not a Catholic, so I can’t defend the pope. BUT I know all the evil things the jews did to Christians over the centuries, so I can understand why the Catholic Church resented the jews as they did (even if they treated the jews badly in response to constant Talmud-based crime). Israel is a so-called “state” based on the Talmud, not the Gospels of Jesus Christ, and it murders and oppresses Jesus’ people, the Palestinians, while also exploiting the US and starting wars to us to fight for jewish supreamcism. I do not support it in ANY WAY. AS for anti-semitism, well, consider that jews have been kicked out 109 countries. Were they all just crazy anti-semities? No, jews are universally hated because of their BEHAVIOR. The lying, cheating, stealing, usury, supremacism, and culture wrecking.

Since you are a Christian, I would recommend you reading the websites of Ted Pike or Mark Glenn, who are also Christians but very jew-wise. David Duke is also a good resource for the truth about jewish supremacism.

wildjew

David Duke is also a good resource for Klansman, neo-Na zis, skin heads, white supremacists.

defcon 4

And those with room temperature IQ’s.

SCREW SOCIALISM

If we are lucky, “deshawn” will get “knocked out”.

iluvisrael

figures you idolize inbred Jew hating klansmen

defcon 4

It’s funny that DeShawn claimed to be black.

defcon 4

Yeah, and Issa is the real Jesus isn’t he “DeShawn”?

Wolfthatknowsall

Is this guy for real? No one could believe his tripe …

Drakken

What effing drugs are you on kafir? Somebody in the hood slipped you something and made you have a complete break with reality.

wildjew

You are not a “real” Christian, that is obvious. Anyone who hates Jesus’ people is a phony “Christian.”

DeShawn

Jesus’ people? No, those would be the Galileans or the Palestinians; not the so-called jews. This is a LIE spread by jews, encouraged by the Scofield Bible, which was published by jews and corrupts the words of Jesus.

wildjew

Jesus will say to you: “I never knew you. Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.” I have no interest in conversing with a degenerate like you.

iluvisrael

happy eternal nakba peabrain – Israel and we JEWS are here to stay – get used to it little girl!

defcon 4

Referring to the paleswine says it all Osama Bin Lyin’.

ADM64

Jesus was Jewish, in case you missed it.

defcon 4

DeShawn is a delusional, Jew hating idiot, but most all muslimes are, because it’s sanctified in ALL their holey books of hate.

Demetrius Minneapolis

My G-d it’s “DeShawn” again. This guy is too stupid to be a decent troll so I wouldn’t attempt to change his “mind” or anything of that nature. DeShawn, you do realize that Jesus was a Jew right? You know that we Christians have killed Jews right? You do realize that most Christianity is based upon the Old Testament or the Tanakh, right?

Your foolishness and hatred is beginning to be really entertaining though, it’s as if a Liberal/Socialist mated with an earthworm.

hammar22

And we are sure that Jews killed Christians along with Christ Himself. You like calling people names but just remember what Our Lord and God instructed us….Judge and you will be judged as well. Love God, Love your neighbor who ever they are. Jew, Christian, muslim or Socialist.

Demetrius Minneapolis

I’m fine with the Jew/Christian, but if you wish to play with the muslims (not a religion, ask any theologian with guts) that is at your own peril.

Demetrius Minneapolis

And yes, I don’t mind calling a fool just that.

DeShawn

Wrong, fool. And I’d wager anything I’m a heck of a lot smarter than you. Jesus was NOT a jew; see my link above. If Christians killed jews, it was mostly in self-defense, as jews were trying to kill them and corrupt their societies. The Old Testament refers to the Israelites, who have NO relation to modern Talmudic jews. Today’s so-called jews are inbred troublemakers from Europe and the Khazar region, with NO semitic ties. The closest thing to the ancient Israelites would be the Arabs and the Ethiopeans, the very people you suckers persecute.

SCREW SOCIALISM

“deshawn” is beside himself.

Asians are smarter than him.
Blacks are stronger than him.

iluvisrael

you really should go back on your meds – do your doctors know?

defcon 4

DeShawn claims he’s a studying for his doctorate in Physics.

Wolfthatknowsall

Yes, he says he’s working on his “disseration” …

defcon 4

LOL, maybe he’s a student at U of Karachi, the college of Islamabad, or Mogadishu U.

The Romans tried and executed Jesus as a rebel against Roman rule, Jews did not. Jesus was a Jew, a pious one at that. See Geza Vermez, Jesus The Jew. Christians like DeShawn have much to apologize for, since they have persecuted and murdered so many Jews.

southwood

Why the need for dishonesty. It was the Jews who accused Jesus and had him arraigned. It was the Jews, not the Romans, who called for his crucifixion.

wildjew

I read Giulio Meotti on Israel National News (Arutz Sheva) from time to time. He looks to do good work.

H A

Nothing, it seems, can dispel the notion that Pope Pius XII maintained a “shameful silence” about the persecution of Jews during World War II. But Ralph McInerny, in his book The Defamation of Pius XII, quotes what Jews, prominent and otherwise, were saying at the time.

“Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty,” said Albert Einstein in 1940.

In 1942 London’s Jewish Chronicle remarked: “A word of sincere and earnest
appreciation is due from Jews to the Vatican for its intervention in Berlin and
Vichy on behalf of their tortured co-religionists in France…. It was a step urged, to their honor, by a number of Catholics, but for which we may be sure the Holy Father himself, with his intense humanity and his clear sighted understanding of the true and deadly implications of the assaults on the Jewish people, needed no prompting.”

Dr. Alexander Shafran, chief rabbi of Romania, wrote in 1944: “In these hard times our thoughts turn more than ever with respectful gratitude to the Sovereign Pontiff, who has done so much for Jews in general….
In our worst hours of trial, the generous aid and noble support of the Holy See
… has been decisive. It is not easy to find the proper words to express the
relief and solace which the magnanimous gesture of the Supreme Pontiff has given us, in offering a large subsidy in order to alleviate the sufferings of the
deported Jews. Roumanian Jewry will never forget these facts of historical
importance.”

After the Allies liberated Rome in 1944, a Jewish Brigade Group said in its
Bulletin: “To the everlasting glory of the people of Rome and the Roman Catholic Church we can state that the fate of the Jews was alleviated by
their truly Christian offers of assistance and shelter. Even now, many still
remain in the religious homes and houses which opened their doors to protect
them from deportation to certain death.”

One survivor, quoted in a Hebrew daily in Israel, said: “If we have been rescued, if Jews are still alive in Rome, come with us and thank the Pope in the Vatican.”

A committee of the American Jewish Welfare Board, wrote to Pius himself: “We have received reports from our military chaplains in Italy of the aid and protection to Italian Jews by the Vatican, priests, and church institutions during the Nazi occupation of the country. We are deeply moved by this extraordinary display of Christian love — the more so as we know the risk incurred by those who afforded shelter to Jews…. From the bottom of our hearts we send you the assurances of undying gratitude.”

The elders of one liberated camp went to Rome and presented Pius with a letter: “Now that the victorious Allied troops have broken our chains and liberated us from captivity and danger, may we, the Jewish internees of Ferramonti, be permitted to express our deepest and devoted thanks for the comfort and help which Your Holiness deigned to grant us with fatherly concern and infinite kindness throughout our years of internment and persecution…. In doing so Your Holiness has as the first and highest authority on earth fearlessly raised his universally respected voice, in the face of our powerful enemies, in order to defend openly our rights to the dignity of man…. When we were threatened with deportation to Poland in 1942, Your Holiness extended his fatherly hand to protect us, and stopped the transfer of the Jews interned in Italy, thereby saving us from almost certain death. With deep confidence and hope that the work of Your Holiness may be crowned with further success, we beg to express our heartfelt thanks while we pray to the Almighty: May Your Holiness reign for many years on this Holy See and exert your beneficent influence over the destiny of the nations.”

A few months later the World Jewish Congress sent a telegram to the Holy See thanking it for its protection “under difficult conditions to the persecuted Jews in German dominated Hungary.”

The chief rabbi of Jerusalem, Isaac Herzog, said: “I thank the Pope and the Church from the bottom of my heart for all the help they have afforded.”

Moshe Sharett, a leading Zionist, summed up his personal interview with

Pius: “I told him that my first duty was to thank him, and through him, the Catholic Church, on behalf of the Jewish public, for all they had done in the various countries to rescue Jews, to save children, and Jews in general. We are
deeply grateful to the Catholic Church for what she did in those countries to
help save our brothers.”

Dr. Leon Kubowitzky of the World Jewish Council offered a large monetary donation to the Vatican “in recognition of the work of the Holy See in rescuing Jews from Fascist and Nazi persecutions.”

Raffaele Cantoni of Italy’s Jewish Welfare Committee said: “The Catholic Church and the papacy have given proof that they have saved as many
Jews as they could.”

These noble and moving words require little comment. I record them here for the honor of Pius, the Catholic Church, and the good men who uttered them.

Joseph Sobran

For the Record
(Reprinted from SOBRAN’S, August 2001, page 6).

No Meathead I

The European Catholic Church has a worse than vile attitude towards not just Jews but towards anybody not as white nor praying the same way.

The Spanish and Portuguese Catholics and their explorer/mercenaries/rapists/ladrones regarded the Indigenous of the Americas and the Asians as sub human or barely human. Same for Germans when they OCCUPIED regions in Africa and Asia.

What is disgusting is that the European Catholic Church despite the daily washing of their private parts in holy water, harbored such attitudes towards Jews and Israel, being the only patch of land in the Middle East jungle where a Catholic can pray to Jesus (Jewish by the way) without fear, until at least 1993.

Pope Francis will most likely allow for bi-annual rabid comments on Israel. He is doing it to either protect the Christians in Muslim lands. Or he is another closet Vatican Jew hater/tax ladro who enjoys goosestepping in silk underwear.

Too early to tell.

LibertarianToo

1. There is no European Catholic Church. There is one Catholic Church -hence the name.
2.The largest pool of recruits to the Catholic priesthood is sub-Saharan Africa. Those priests are not white. What are you talking about?
3. As to the Portuguese blah, blah, the Protestant English passed a series of Penal Laws against the Indigenous Irish Catholics in OCCUPIED Ireland aimed at annihilating them.
4. Martin Luther was a vicious anti-Semite, and an anti-Semitic propagandist to rival Goebbels. Not sure if there has been any apology from Lutherans, and Protestants generally, for the malice and bigotry of the founder of their church(es).
5. Your local library has many books examining the origins of “the longest hatred”, many of them blaming the Catholic church to one degree or another. Current events demonstrate that anti-Semitism is not the exclusive province of those Catholics who hold that view, nor is it a tenet of Catholicism. The Pope is considered “infallible” in “matters of faith and morals.” For the rest, he is to be resisted or disregarded when he allows his personal prejudices or failures of logic to lead him astray.

southwood

What about the savage massacres of protestants in France (St.Bartholemews), in Italy (a million Waldenses_, in Ireland (perhaps 400, 000 slaughtered in unspeakable violence before Cromwell was called upon to go over and subdue the bloody papists), or, more recently, that of 700,000 Orthodox Serbs massacred in equally vicious manner by the monk and priest led Ustase in WWII Croatia ? . Oh, yes, the RC system has a record of slaughter and repression the equal of any system upon earth. BTW the Irish papists were not killed by the English. Just keeping you right. I won’t mention the acts of the bloody Conquitadores.

LibertarianToo

Go ahead and mention the Conquistadores. I’m not Spanish.

LibertarianToo

Cromwell is at a bridge table in hell, with Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot.

Drakken

Funny thing is, those Serbs and Croats were right, those days are going to come back soon enough for the muslims in Bosnia are arming up with jihad for another go at it, and this time the Russians are not going to sit this one out.
As a Papist Catholic myself, if only back in the day we had done away with ole Cromwell and put a Catholic Monarch on the throne, how things would have turned out quite differently. Besides, didn’t ole Mary Queen of you Scots almost get the throne from Elizabeth?

Drakken

Funny thing is about all of our meanness towards you third worlders, we brought you civilization, otherwise you would still be stuck in the bloody dark ages, so your welcome. Come to think about it, we should go back to the colonialism, there was more peace then.

Hymie

Bawer’s been hoodwinked. For better insight read Ion Mihai Pacepa’s “Disinformation,” most particularly in reference to Pius XII and the Soviet plot (successful) to “frame” him. Also see Operation Zarathustra and the spreading of the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”

wildjew

Pius XII was not the “silent pope?”

Hymie

On the contrary.

wildjew

Yea? What did the low-life say?

o4tom

During the Second World War, after Nazi Germany commenced its industrialized mass murder of the Jews, Pius XII employed diplomacy to aid victims of the Holocaust and directed his Church to provide discreet aid to Jews.[2] Upon his death in 1958, among many Jewish tributes, the Chief Rabbi of Rome Elio Toaff, said: “Jews will always remember what the Catholic Church did for them by order of the Pope during the Second World War. When the war was raging, Pius spoke out very often to condemn the false race theory.”[192]

In his 1939 Summi Pontificatus first papal encyclical, Pius reiterated Catholic teaching against racism and antisemitism and affirmed the ethical principles of the “Revelation on Sinai”. At Christmas 1942, once evidence of the industrial slaughter of the Jews had emerged, Pius XII voiced concern at the murder of “hundreds of thousands” of “faultless” people because of their “nationality or race” and intervened to attempt to block Nazi deportations of Jews in various countries. Upon his death in 1958, Pius was praised emphatically by the Israeli Foreign Minister, and other world leaders. But his insistence on Vatican neutrality and avoidance of naming the Nazis as the evildoers of the conflict became the foundation for contemporary and later criticisms from some quarters. His strongest public condemnation of genocide was considered inadequate by the Allied Powers, while the Nazis viewed him as an Allied sympathizer who had dishonoured his policy of Vatican neutrality.[193]

Hitler biographer John Toland, while scathing of Pius’ cautious public comments in relation to the mistreatment of Jews, concluded that the Allies’ own record of action against the Holocaust was “shameful”, while “The Church, under the Pope’s guidance, had already saved the lives of more Jews than all other churches, religious institutions and rescue organizations combined…”.[162]

Oh, and the guy that wrote, “The Deputy”? Former SS Officer.

So there’s that.

Hymie

Well WJ, his first encyclical was deemed so anti-Hitler that the British and French air forces saw fit to drop 88,000 copies of it over Germany.

southwood

The allies pressured Pius XII throughout the war to speak out against the holocaust but he remained silent. It’s all documented. He also refused to speak out against the holocaust of Orthodox Serbs in Roman Catholic Croatia in WWII which was explicitly carried out in the name of the Roman “church”, led by monks and priests. Then just after the war the Vatican hid notorious war criminals from Croatia, including the leader, Pavelic, and issued false documents to Nazi war criminals fleeing justice to countries such as Argentina. Pius XII should have been tried as a war criminal.

wildjew

Did his encyclical single out the Nazis as the ones responsible for all these terrible atrocities? Did it mention Adolf Hitler by name and his genocide against the Jews specifically? Did Pius boldly say the evil (this scourge) of Nazism needed to be purged from the earth?

No – he singled out the entire Reich for condemnation in Mit Brennender Sorge, but you either lack the charity or the intellectual desire to attempt to investigate both sides. You are a sad case.

wildjew

Charity. Interesting word.

John Cornwell (“Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII”) wrote:

“From a variety of evidence, it is clear that Pacelli believed that the Jews had brought misfortune on their own heads; intervention on their behalf could draw the Church into alliances with forces — principally the Soviet Union — whose ultimate aim was the destruction of the institutional Church. For this reason, as the war began, he was determined to distance himself from any appeal on behalf of the Jews at the level of international politics. This did not prevent him from issuing instructions to alleviate their plight at the level of basic CHARITY (emphasis mine).

Given this background, we are obliged to conclude that his silence had more to do with a habitual fear and distrust of the Jews than a strategy of diplomacy of a commitment to impartiality. He was perfectly capable of partiality when Holland, Belgium, and Luxembourg were invaded in May 1940. And when German Catholics complained, he wrote to the German bishops pointing out that neutrality was not the same as ‘indifference or apathy where moral and human considerations demanded a candid word’. So did not moral and human considerations involved in the millions merit a ‘candid word’? “

Hymie

If the answer were yes, would it make a difference?

wildjew

Yes. Of course it would make a difference but this little man did not single out Hi tler for condemnation. Would his savior have remained silent? He was an ignominiously silent and flawed pope. A very flawed man, to be charitable.

hammar22

Only Jesus is Christ and Lord of All! Catholic, Hebrew, or Palestine. If you don’t believe in Christ Lord and God, you are lost anyway.

Demetrius Minneapolis

What of the Arian way of thinking? Jesus never said he was G-d.

southwood

Jesus allowed Thomas to address him as “my Lord and my God”, as he fell at his feet. No rebuke, no “I am not God”, nothing. Also he said he was “one” with the Father. Seems clear enough to me.

defcon 4

That’s not quite the same thing as stating: “I am G-d”.

southwood

To all intents and purposes it is the same thing. BTW I am surprised to see that some of your comments are quite sensible regarding the papacy.

defcon 4

So you’re telling me, NOT saying something is, for all intents and purposes, the same as saying it?

southwood

Not REBUKING Thomas for what, if said and done to all other men, would be rank blasphemy, a most grave sin, MUST, be construed as a clear admission of deity.

defcon 4

By your reasoning the right to remain silent is meaningless, because by your twisted reasoning it would be an admission of guilt.

hammar22

He never said He wasn’t either when asked directly. Reread the Gospels…Christ means Messiah which means Savior. And only God can save us. Read Saint Paul’s letters and words concerning Jesus and How Saul was struck down by Jesus Himself.

defcon 4

Saul/Paul never met Yeshua. He only became involved in Christianity after Yeshua’s death.

Wolfthatknowsall

Read the 5th Chapter of the Gospel of John, in which Jesus claims to have the same power and authority as the Father.

At His ecclesiastical trial, when asked if He was the Messiah, the Son of the living God, what did He say?

Gee

Thanks but I am an adult and do not need somebody to petition for me. I will do it myself.

That was good enough for millions of Jews before your idol worship came along and is good enough for me.

Shut up until you are an adult

defcon 4

No wonder the current pope likes sucking up to islam0nazis so much — even as muslimes rape, murder, persecute and forcibly convert other Christians throughout the muslime world.

hammar22

watch your language…The Pope is a Holy Man who represents the Church. Christians will suffer while they carry Christ’s Cross.

Gee

He is a moron that is attempting to instruct Muslims on the meaning of Islam.

His silence in the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Christians is a continuation of his stupidity.

I hope that the ‘Church’ gets more of the extreme hatred it has spread for centuries

Drakken

The average Catholic is sick and tired of the appeasement of pure undultered evil. The church itself thinks that it can make nice with it, they could not be more wrong.

defcon 4

It seems like the Catholic Church rarely does the right thing.

Drakken

As a Catholic myself and a cousin who is a bishop, I find the Church and its silence where muslim aggression and slaughter is concerned a abomination, you want to save the Christians and Jews of the ME and North Africa ? Send them weapons to defend themselves, anything else is bloody suicide, so if you want to be a martyr, you go right ahead, as for me, I prefer the muzzy SOB to be a martyr for his cause by the millions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.

Thank you for your most intellectual and helpful intervention. Classy!! Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland.

D Alday

The papacy was instituted by Constantine over three hundred years AFTER Jesus (Yeshua is more correct); the pope is not holy; only God is Holy. “Call no man father”.

Eglantine

There is no such person as ‘Yeshua’ but I don’t blame you for trying to reinvent him.

D Alday

“Jesus” is the Anglican name translated from His Greek Name, as translated from His Hebrew name, Yeshua. Yeshua means “God’s salvation”. ( Did you see “The Passion of the Christ”?)
Jesus was a Jew. Do you deny He was Jewish?
I did not reinvent Jesus. Your church is simply following another Jesus, a Jesus invented by man. (Again read Matthew 24).

defcon 4

There was no person named Jesus, in Jerusalem, in the 1st century CE, because no such name existed at the time.

John P.

Dear Guest,
There was only one Holy Man who was crucified and resurrected. The pope falls into the category of all the rest of us as the Bible says: For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The pope only represents the Catholic Church, he or his state church certainly doesn’t represent Christians who were martyred during the Inquisition by this false church for believing that salvation was by faith alone by Christ alone.

Drakken

The inquisition killed less than were killed on 9/11 so don’t get all self righteous on me. The muslims killed more than in one day in many cities in Spain.

Eglantine

Yes he does represent the church, as did his predecessors, and you are responsible for what he does and whatever they did. Read the article again, acknowledge the evil. The CC has done enough to Jews already and I have yet to hear Catholics condemn the pro-Palestinian and anti-Jewish rhetoric coming from their bishops, most increasingly the xmas tropes representating Palestinians as a persecuted Jesus, or their very warm relations with Islamic groups. You can’t get lower than this. You should shudder at the thought of your coming judgement. The truth is the CC cannot abide the continued existence of the Jews for the same reason it has suppressed Jewish writings for 2000 years – if people knew Torah they would see immediately the fake that the ‘new testament’ actually is. The CC has always been smart enough to know this.

Drakken

Hmmmm my cousin is a Bishop and he condemns the muslims and their jihad all the time.

Walter Sieruk

The Vatican should understand that Jesus was Jewish,inspite of what some people may claim. The Roman Catholic Church does have a history of being anti-Jewish. That is one of the reasons that I’m a Prolestent

LibertarianToo

Plus, you “get to wear a little rubber thingy on your John Thomas.” (Monty Python)

http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

I trust that you’re not Lutheran if you continue that line of thought.

BenJabo1Machal

I truly wonder, does anyone here happen to recall the Pogrom against Jews or the Spanish Inquisition?

LibertarianToo

The Spanish Inquisition was not aimed against Jews but against heretics. While all Jews were considered ipso facto heretics, gentiles were also not free to dissent from Catholicism – not free to be pagans or animists, not free to skip Mass or say the earth isn’t the stationary center of the Universe.
Not sure if you’re thinking of one particular pogrom, but pogrom is a Russian word. They’re Orthodox.

Drakken

Yes I do, the Inquisition killed less than what happened on 9/11 while the muslims killed millions, the pogroms of Russia killed as many as what the Nazi’s did. your welcome for the history lesson.

CrossWinds

A true man of God, will love the jewish people……..

…….Romans 9:1-5………

9 With Christ as my witness, I speak with utter truthfulness. My conscience and the Holy Spirit confirm it. 2 My heart is filled with bitter sorrow and unending grief 3 for my people, my Jewish brothers and sisters. I would be willing to be forever cursed—cut off from Christ!—if that would save them. 4 They are the people of Israel, chosen to be God’s adopted children. God revealed his glory to them. He made covenants with them and gave them his law. He gave them the privilege of worshiping him and receiving his wonderful promises. 5 Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

No good shall come of fanning flames of enmity between Jews and Catholics. Those who dredge up the past are doomed to repeat it. (contra Santayana’s dictum)

wildjew

Truth is truth. Who is afraid of the truth? “New people of God…” Who are the new people of God?

Texas Patriot

Paul said that anyone who is moved by the Spirit of God is a son of God, and I tend to agree with that.

http://www.clarespark.com/ Clare Spark

For those readers who do not see how anti-Semitism is embedded in the history of the West see http://clarespark.com/2012/09/29/index-to-blogs-on-antisemitism/. Modernity and the concept of progress are held to be Jewish tics, by those who would prefer the medieval order or something tribal and archaic. “Index to blogs on anti-Semitism.”

Visitor

“Anti-Semitism” is not an accurate description where Ashkenazi Jews are concerned. “Anti-Jewish” is correct.

The latest DNA research (Oct. 2013) on Ashkenazi Jews shows that they are white. The maternal (female) lineage is predominantly from Southern and Western Europe. Not from Palestine. It is the paternal (male) lineage that shows partial origins in Palestine.

The research suggests that Jewish men who migrated to Europe from the Near East thousands of years ago married European women who converted to Judaism. Ashkenazi Jews are white and thoroughly European. More than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of the Ashkenazi Jews can be directly traced to Europe.

One more time; it is IMPOSSIBLE for a true Christian to be anti-Jewish.

First, we need to define what a true Christian is. Quite simply, a real Christian believes in and lives his life by the New Testament of the Christian, Holy Bible. The principles by which personal conduct is to be followed must be in agreement with the scriptures in the New Testament and teachings of Jesus Christ. Period. As the Bible states, “By their fruits ye shall know them…” Any person not living his life in accordance with the NT is flat-out NOT a Christian. A real Christian, following the scriptures, knows that Jesus was a Jew and that he gave his life WILLINGLY as a sacrafice for our sins. This was predestined and He was fully aware of what was coming. The idea that Jews murdered an innocent man and therefore all Jews are evil is totally misunderstanding the biblical text. The Pharisees of that time fulfilled their role in the sacrifice necessary for our redemption. As Jesus said Himself, “For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father” (John 10:17-18).

Yeshua knew that the only way to forgive a fallen race of people was through His sacrificial, redemptive, reconciling death on the cross — and He deliberately chose to die for us. THAT is what the scripture teaches.

You will find NOWHERE in the NT any scripture condoning any mistreatment of Jews. Christians know that Jews have a special role in God’s plans and that Israel, particularly Jerusalem, is a holy place for Christians too.

Sadly, on the other hand, some Jews and various non-Jews make the ridiculous mistake of attributing the Holocaust and other crimes to Christians in general. This is also wrong and slanderous and done out of ignorance.

As to the topic of Catholics and their doings, it must he noted that Protestants have MANY problems with Catholics. Why? Because they do not follow the strict teachings of the NT. Mary, the mother of Yeshua, was “blessed among women” and that’s it. Nowhere does the NT teach the worship of Mary or raising her to intercessory status. Nowhere. Yet, the Catholics do just that. They add to the scripture what is clearly not there. Therefore, anti-Jewish behavior within the Catholic church would be entirely possible in my view because they do not strictly follow the NT.

Are Catholics true Christians? “By their fruits ye shall know them…”

Texas Patriot

One really interesting bit of Christian teaching is Paul’s question: Who is the true Jew? His answer was that it was not the circumcision of the flesh, but rather the circumcision of the heart that mattered.

wildjew

Paul was wrong. Both matter.

Texas Patriot

I tend to agree.

objectivefactsmatter

“Paul was wrong. Both matter.”

They both “matter” but how? Physical circumcision is testimony. Spiritual circumcision is the central issue of the Bible.

wildjew

Because God told Abraham, “And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you.”

objectivefactsmatter

“Because God told Abraham, “And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you.””

And there’s more to it, but as I said the Christian texts in full revelation seem to be saying that for believers, accepting the full revelation of the Gospel is more important than whether or not one is circumcised physically. Some argue that circumcision is no longer important at all.

Obviously for Jews that don’t accept the Gospel my remarks are not relevant. But even then it’s hard to argue that spiritual circumcision is not more important. Especially since physical circumcision isn’t even relevant for at least half the population.

wildjew

Lots of people think Jews are an exclusive people and faith but that isn’t what God told His prophet. Have you read Isaiah chapter 56? Allow me to quote some excepts. Notice God extends His covenant to all the peoples:

Thus says the LORD, “Preserve justice and do righteousness, For My salvation is about to come And My righteousness to be revealed. “How blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who takes hold of it; Who keeps from profaning the Sabbath, And keeps his hand from doing any evil.” Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say, “The LORD will surely separate me from His people.” Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”

….”Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To minister to Him, and to love the name of theLORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath And holds fast My.covenant ; Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar ; For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.” The Lord GOD, who gathers the dispersed of Israel,declares, “Yet others I will gather to them, to those already gathered.”

objectivefactsmatter

“Notice God extends His covenant to all the peoples:”

Sure, but there was no global evangelistic mission before Jesus. Most well read Christians understand that Jesus was simply following what earlier prophets had already spoken and in effect completing some aspects, like dealing with how to invite the world and teaching the complete message. That’s the Christian view. Simply removing Jesus and subsequent texts doesn’t change the message too much, but some things are not yet clear.

wildjew

To me, Jesus offers a bridge of sorts to the true and living God; the God of Israel. Before Jesus, much of the earth worshiped trees and rocks, all kinds of idols. Jesus gave to the world the Jewish Bible. Before Jesus, who knew about God’s law? How many people read it? I do not see what the New Testament offers the world (beyond what is already available in the Hebrew Bible) that can help “fix” or heal the world. New Testament allegedly offers ‘personal’ salvation in the hereafter. What does that do to help heal what is plaguing our nation and our world? For example, I can read God’s words to His prophets and know Obama would be a great threat if elected president? Can you say the same about the NT to the extent warnings are available in the ‘Old Testament’?

objectivefactsmatter

“New Testament allegedly offers ‘personal’ salvation in the hereafter. What does that do to help heal what is plaguing our nation and our world?”

Through a transformed heart and faithful prayer, better decisions are made in the world in the daily lives of the believers. In other words, the texts are not the end of the messaging, but it’s the complete message that is intended to be universal. The personal messages are delivered through prayer.

And the call to evangelism can be seen as improving the world if we focus on those who truly stuck to the teachings of the texts. Looking back through Western history, our traditions of strong criticism lead us to focus on “newsworthy” events (dramatic, pivotal watershed moments etc.) and the mundane things that lead to persistent progress tend to be noticed a lot less. Like how people treat each other, including cooperation, operating in good faith, etc. Caring about law and order. Those things are essential but not something you can record through history because it can be attributed to Darwinian evolution or something like that. Funny how Darwinian evolution seems to have been more helpful to people faithful to the Biblical texts. Western atheists are not alien to Judeo Christian culture but are “post-Christian.”

objectivefactsmatter

“For example, I can read God’s words to His prophets and know Obama would be a great threat if elected president?”

The Bible never claimed to be that kind of guide. You can infer that God wants to permit some evil, for the same reason that Satan was permitted to deceive Eve (and Adam, depending on how you read the text).

“Can you say the same about the NT to the extent warnings are available in the ‘Old Testament’?”

No way. It’s not the same thing. The Jews were protected more closely for the explicit mission of bringing forth the texts (the authors), and the Messiah. Once that mission was completed there was an apparent shift in the role to remain as witnesses to that history if not to the explicit message of the Messianic Gospel of Jesus.

Nobody get’s that kind of guidance, but it makes sense that way. If Jesus is Messiah, the mission shifted for Jews and the Messianic believers didn’t have the same mission. They needed to live the Gospel and teach it, not prepare for the coming day of the Messiah.

Basically that’s why prophecy stopped, because it’s complete in delivering the Messianic message: Nothing more is needed. Although certainly believers often hope for more instruction, God’s immediate and apparent favor, and so forth. They long for Heaven and get impatient. But that doesn’t mean that the Bible is incomplete. It means that we are. If God is ultimately sovereign and merely allows these things that confuse us, he will ensure that you have what you need before or when you need it.

That’s what the Bible teaches as far as I can discern.

wildjew

I believe the Bible (the Hebrew Bible) did indeed claim to be that kind of guide. Because Genesis 12:3 warns that God will bless those who bless (Abraham / Israel) and will curse those who curse him, Americans (especially believers) would have understood that a man who sat in a racist church for twenty years, listening to racist, anti-Semitic, anti-Israel sermons could not be a blessing on America but a curse. I do not think it is God’s purpose or will to curse nations. Nations (like Germany and now America) make choices. God did not force the American people to vote for and support this evil man. Americans freely chose Obama. You might argue God made the conditions for the rise of Obama propitious as happened in Germany in the early nineteen thirties; nevertheless, people make their own choices. I chose not to vote for Barack Obama. I knew from reading my Bible, he would bring a curse on this great nation. How about you?

objectivefactsmatter

“I believe the Bible (the Hebrew Bible) did indeed claim to be that kind of guide. Because Genesis 12:3 warns that God will bless those who bless (Abraham / Israel) and will curse those who curse him, Americans (especially believers) would have understood that a man who sat in a racist church for twenty years, listening to racist, anti-Semitic, anti-Israel sermons could not be a blessing on America but a curse.”

Well that’s not what I meant, nor what I thought you meant. I thought you meant that with the prophets going silent that we have no David and Nathan team efforts to guide the people. Some times people scoff at the Bible because of this change where prophets are no longer around to be scrutinized.

But as far as predicting the kind of impact 0’Bama has had, I don’t think a Christian view of the Bible is necessarily different but it is highly individualized as to interpreting modern events and circumstances such as your example.

“Americans freely chose Obama. You might argue God made the conditions for the rise of Obama propitious as happened in Germany in the early nineteen thirties; nevertheless, people make their own choices.”

He doesn’t “make evil” or circumstances favorable to evil. We do. He tolerates some of it because ultimately it’s good for us in the end.

wildjew

I guess that is where you and I will have to agree to disagree. If God did not create evil, where did it originate?

“I am the LORD, and there is no other;
Besides Me there is no God.
I will gird you, though you have not known Me;

Isa 45:6 That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun
That there is no one besides Me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other,

The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being (good) and creating calamity (literally: evil);
I am the LORD who does all these.

objectivefactsmatter

“I guess that is where you and I will have to agree to disagree. If God did not create evil, where did it originate?”

He created free will. Free will manifests evil. So he’s at least one degree of separation from evil. He created Satan, and allowed the possibility that Satan turn to evil. The same goes for all men and all beings created with a free will.

If that makes him the creator of evil, I suppose as ultimate sovereign I guess he is accountable in that sense. But consider that it’s a package deal because the only way to ensure no evil exists is to remove all possibility of free will.

wildjew

God gave us free will but even our free will might not be entirely without some outside influence.

“The mind of man plans his way, But the LORD directs his steps.”

Man does evil but God established (created and “creates”) evil in the earth. He told His prophets He does. Unless you think God or the prophet is lying? Satan is nothing compared to the Almighty. He is God’s servant. God is omnipotent. God is sovereign. God acts. If Satan is an instrument for God, then he is an instrument for God. Nothing (NOTHING) thwarts God’s will. That is how God is presented in the Hebrew Bible. In the NT there are at least four gods. Three in the trinity; and the devil (‘satan’). He is another god. What a religion!

objectivefactsmatter

“The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being (good) and creating calamity (literally: evil); I am the LORD who does all these.”

Darkness is the absence of light. He “creates” darkness by removing his light. He creates evil by removing coerced perfection.

As I said earlier, if he “created” evil, it was a package deal with free will.

wildjew

You call yourself objective as in objective fact matter. You are allowing your personal feelings to affect your judgment. Evil is not the absence of coerced perfection. Spiritual darkness is not simply the absence of light.

Texas Patriot

WJ: “New Testament allegedly offers ‘personal’ salvation in the hereafter. What does that do to help heal what is plaguing our nation and our world?”

No one really knows what awaits in the next world for those who love God, but in this world we are called to a close walk with God through Jesus Christ so that God’s “will may be done” and God’s “kingdom may come” on earth “as it is in heaven.”

Does that sound good to you?

Basically, as Jesus said, “with God all things are possible”, no matter how bad they may look at any given moment, and at this moment in time they could hardly look any worse.

Are you in?

wildjew

You say you feel called to a close walk with Jesus, but what Jesus do you feel called to walk with? The “sweet, sweet Jesus” (the idol) the vast majority of Christians worldwide worship, or the real Jesus?

Texas Patriot

WJ: “You say you feel called to a close walk with Jesus, but what Jesus do you feel called to walk with? The “sweet, sweet Jesus” (the idol) the vast majority of Christians worldwide worship of the real Jesus?”

You probably have a better understanding than most regarding the true nature of God. It is written that God is holy, He is perfect, He is spirit, He is love, and He is king. Above all things, God is holy, and as the prophets and teachers of Israel all knew, the holiness and perfection of God was beyond the ability of man to endure. Likewise, the holiness and perfection of God could not endure the unholiness and imperfection of man. Thus there was a tragic separation, which prevented man from enjoying the presence of God and God from enjoying the presence of man.

Jesus provides the means by which God and man can be reconciled. He is the means by which God can endure the unholy and imperfect presence of man, and the means by which man can endure the holy and perfect presence of God. And that abiding closeness between God and man is the key to all good things that may happen on this earth.

As Jesus said, “Apart from me you can do nothing.” John 15:5. But “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them”. John 14:23. That’s what’s exciting about Christianity, and I think it also represents the true meaning of Judaism.

wildjew

You remind me of a verse in Jeremiah. Remember, Moses (an imperfect man) approached God. Moses told the children of Israel, God would raise up a prophet “like me.” Some believe this will be the messiah.

Jer 30:21‘ Their leader shall be one of them,
And their ruler shall come forth from their midst;
And I will bring him near and he shall approach Me;
For who would dare to risk his life to approach Me?’ declares the LORD.

Texas Patriot

WJ: “For who would dare to risk his life to approach Me?’ declares the LORD.”

It’s an awesome responsibility that we all have to God and to each other.

Texas Patriot

Sounds like a winner to me. In fact, it sounds like Christianity!

defcon 4

Well he wasn’t even sure what his name was, so cut him some slack.

wildjew

Pius sent him birthday greetings (I am pretty sure about that).

defcon 4

I was referring to your comment about Saul/Paul.

wildjew

Maybe he figured “Saul” (as in the king who could not or would not obey God’s commands) wasn’t a good name to introduce himself in the synagogues, trying to peddle a new revelation.

defcon 4

Did the name Paul even exist in 1st century CE Israel? It doesn’t sound like a Hebrew name to me.

wildjew

Wasn’t he a Hellenized Jew? He used lots of Greek analogies, Greek games, races, etc.?

Texas Patriot

Visitor: “Are Catholics true Christians?”

I’m not sure there has ever been a “true Christian”. Paul teaches that all men are sinners and all fall short of the grace of Jesus Christ. Jesus said that the tax collector groveling on the ground and wailing over his many sins was much closer to the kingdom of heaven than the Pharisee who was confident of his righteousness. I don’t think anyone can afford to be confident in their own righteousness. Instead, I think we must all seek our righteousness from God with a humble and contrite heart, and we must do that constantly. Knowing that we are nothing without God and that everything depends on his continued presence in our lives is probably as close to being a true Christian as any of us will ever get.

radicalrepublican

This article sure did help things didn’t it? Lots of ignorant comments about Catholics not being “real Christians”, lots of anti-Jewish sentiments, verbal bombs and bad theology…. The real question is, who is most likely to protect Israel against its current enemies real or imagined? The answer is Catholics and Protestants of America. Let’s stop the internecine arguments about the past.

BagLady

I would rather protect Israel against ‘real’ enemies than ‘imagined’ ones. I expect the Pope would agree.

radicalrepublican

Not sure what your point is, but I agree with you about protecting Israel from “real” enemies. The “imagined” ones include the Pope himself by my reckoning, and that was my point : let’s not start accusing Catholics of being enemies of Israel. This conversation is only going to fan flames of old enmities that are still healing. Picking at wounds does not promote healing.

Eglantine

You can’t even bring your bishops and pope to bear on the attacks they are making on israel now. And going by your past do you really think Jews would believe you? The Catholic Church is working hard to delegitimise Jewish israel and also to divide Jerusalem – and we know what Bible prophecy says about that.

BagLady

Wild accusations without a single citation. Shame on you.

Consider

Huh, I missed this one!
….”bad theology”.
Is there such a thing as “good theology”.

defcon 4

Move to any islamic state and find out for yourself renob.

John P.

OK radicalrepublican, define bad theology and ‘good’ theology.

radicalrepublican

As you implied John P., good vs. bad theology is in the eye of the beholder. That is why I see no point to discuss such matters on a secular website. Save the “religion” debates for members of your own faith tradition on forums dedicated to such matters. Here, let us continue our defense against liberalism/socialism/Islam.

radicalrepublican

FrontpageMagazine made a mistake in publishing this article. Modern Catholics are staunch defenders of Israel (generally) and this article does not advance that agenda. Reading moronic comments about Catholics worshiping Mary does not advance the relations between Protestants and Catholics either. Fight amongst ourselves shall we, while radical Islam marches forward?! Brilliant! STOP!!!!!

objectivefactsmatter

Christians should be able to handle complex issues and debates without turning on each other.

Consider

One would think that this site is committed to advancing the truth, not some ‘agenda’.
Maybe that the old good Soviet style censorship is not so bad after all.

radicalrepublican

I am quite convinced that this site is interested in advancing “the truth” or I would not waste my time here. That is why the site has an OBVIOUS agenda. If you see no agenda then you need help.

objectivefactsmatter

You’ve confused the poor soul.

Consider

If you were interested in advancing “the truth” you would not advocate the suppression of this article. So wasting your time here is suspect. What are your credentials to represent “modern” Catholics? How far back this “modernity” extends?
The man who masterminded the Holocaust was a Catholic, as were most of the executioners.

radicalrepublican

The Nazis created a pagan religion in opposition to Catholics and Christianity. Your anti-Catholic bias has clouded your brain. Please read and study more. The Nazis hated Christianity.

Consider

My reply to you has been censored.
It seems that, like in the Haaretz, what deviates from the party line is filtered out.

Wolfthatknowsall

Primarily, the new paganism of that government was centered on the SS, and Himmler. However, their “Obama” didn’t dissuade them from such notions.

radicalrepublican

From Wikipedia today :

The Nazi Fuehrer Adolf Hitler stated repeatedly Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science.

defcon 4

The Grand Mufti was a Catholic? Don’t tell the muslimes.

Wolfthatknowsall

Indeed, as a child, he wanted to be a priest. He developed his speaking skills by standing on the kitchen table and preaching the Gospel. His father decided he would be a civil servant, and that ended the matter.

How different would history have been had his father allowed him to pursue the priesthood?

Consider

…or had he been successfull in painting.

Wolfthatknowsall

With some professional training, he would have been an accomplished artist. I’ve seen some of his best, and they were good.

Consider

He lacked an art critic who would ‘discover’ him.

defcon 4

HOw different would history have been if the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem hadn’t traveled to Berlin to lobby Hitler to stop deporting Jews to Israel and start murdering them instead?

Suzanne

No one is suggesting that the peoples of the West, many of whom are at least nominally Christian, not ban together against Islam. We must. However, the Catholic Church has not been much of a friend to modern Israel since she regained her sovereignty in 1948. With the exception of some big public relations photo ops (like Pope John Paul the second at the Western Wall) the RCC took forever to recognize Israel and has often sided with her enemies or has agitated for a “Palestinian state” (which will destroy Israel). I am sorry to say this but this is a fact. I also think that the Catholic Church could do a lot more to help the persecuted Christians of the Middle East. On this issue, their silence is deafening.

rubber stamp

I know one thing, when push comes to shove, Israel (Jews) will stick up for Christians and vise versa. Like old pals, we had our share of brotherly disagreements, I look at bigger picture. Israel would rather have all Christian countries surrounding them than what it is today

Texas Patriot

I think that the United States would use whatever weaponry was necessary, including nuclear weapons, to ensure that Israel was not overrun by attacks from her neighbors. But after 60 years of highly wasteful and ineffective wars on foreign soil, America has precious little “blood and treasure” to waste on foreign wars. If Israel wants to survive, she will need to do the bulk of the work herself.

rubber stamp

you know full well Israel has done it a few times by now on her own, 1946, 1967, 1970s, 2000s. Lets not pretend Israel had ever asked for US military to intervene. If anything, it’s the US who hold Israel back from full fledged response on her own.

Texas Patriot

RS: “If anything, it’s the US who hold Israel back from full fledged response on her own.”

Hopefully those days are over.

objectivefactsmatter

“Hopefully those days are over.”

Hope is one thing, recognition of reality is another. Those days are not over. It’s probably worse than ever in many ways. We’re throwing them “under a bus” even when it directly hurts our national interests! When has that happened before?

Texas Patriot

More times than I care to mention, but that’s another story.

objectivefactsmatter

What I mean is that it’s never been so blatantly against our national interests to harm Israel like we have with this Iranian appeasement.

Of course one can argue that it’s never been in our national interests to turn away from Israel, but that’s partly a faith-based position. The British followed what they believed were in their national (imperial?) interests and look where it got them.

defcon 4

Great Britain did the wrong thing (morally and ethically) WRT Israel — it’s interesting to see they’re now suffering w/the consequences of those actions (even thought the politicians who made those decisions are long gone).

objectivefactsmatter

Those politicians were playing to leftists and myopic pragmatists. Those currents are still strong in the UK, which is precisely where their problems come from with destructive multiculturalism.

defcon 4

I had thought the reason the UK’s politicians sold Israel out was because of Arab oil.

Gee

Nope – the UK sold out because they are anti-Semitic

defcon 4

Wasn’t one of the the UK’s most famous PM’s Jewish? Disraeli?

Gee

No – D’Israeli was Anglican. Changed when he was 12.

Edict of Expulsion given by Edward I in 1290, that expelled all Jews from England

southwood

That’s right – every single UK citizen has a dark core of anti-semitism. It’s genetic. LOL. What rubbish you spout.

Gee

Rubbish is exactly what racist morons like you spout – and yes stupid poll after poll shows a vast majority of the British are just as racist as you

southwood

Oh, just believe what you want.In my experience the vast majority of Brits could not care less about Israel or Jews. It’s not on our radar. We have plenty of other issues.Opinion polls can be made to say all kinds of things. But, I must say, your attitude of calling people like myself anti-semitic, is quite evil. It makes Jews appear utterly obnoxious when they resort to this name calling. We see the old hatred which crucified Jesus and persecuted the early church has not died out. You are a very bitter person.

Drakken

Your going to have to forgive ole Southwood, he is of Scottish decent, so they are tad slow.

objectivefactsmatter

That motive falls under pragmatism.

Basically they went in because of concerns over access to India and regional regional trade. It morphed in to larger concerns that today looks like it has to do only with oil. But if that’s all you remember you’re certainly on the right track. I suppose some saw earlier than others that oil would be crucial, and perhaps that there was lots of oil there but it wasn’t as obvious then as it was later on.

The point is that the pragmatists might have seen a role for Israel earlier on, but later it seemed obvious that it would be easier to manipulate the players by selling out Israel rather than using it as a proxy. Part of that is the growing importance of the oil, and another part is that Israel’s leaders demonstrated that they probably weren’t going to be another British colony.

It may be a little complicated and difficult to understand unless you look carefully at the important events along the timeline.

Today after the UK has become a minor player (third order at best these days) and the whole world looks at the pivotal role of controlling the region for the sake of oil, it’s easy to forget how it played out and what the world looked like when the UK went in in response to the Turkish declaration of “jihad” as they joined WWI.

Even in 1948, some of them might have still hoped to keep the empire together. Even in in the 1950s some of them might have hoped for more than just Arab oil.

But yeah, today it’s mostly about oil trade I suppose.

defcon 4

I see your point. Maybe the UK didn’t plan to sell out Israel at first. It’s strange how long it took them to actually create the state of Israel though — considering they had at least from 1917 to the 1930’s to do it.

BagLady

Can you see past tomorrow and this ‘full fledged’ response’?

Texas Patriot

What I can see is that the strategy of giving up “land for peace” has never worked. So maybe it’s time to try something new.

defcon 4

Dead muslimes for peace might be something to try.

Texas Patriot

I think the “land for peace” formula is still a good one. But instead of giving up land, Israel should be in the posture of acquiring more land through legitimate defensive conquest and expulsion of the hostile forces responsible for the attacks. It will give a new meaning to the land for peace idea. In other words, if you want to remain on the land you now occupy, make sure you don’t attack us. Otherwise you will surely lose more and more land, until you have no land left.

defcon 4

While conquering such territories might not be problematic holding them might be — unless you engage in mass deportations as rabbi Kahane proposed.

Texas Patriot

If someone attacks you, they forfeit any right to remain in the land from which the attack originated. It’s called the right of defensive conquest, it is of ancient origin, and it is of universal application anywhere in the world. How much land is forfeited and how many people are expelled under the doctrine of defensive conquest would be within the discretion of the party attacked. It doesn’t have to be a lot of land or a lot of people to signal that Israel will no longer tolerate attacks by her neighbors on innocent Israeli civilians.

Israel for whatever reason has been far to timid in permitting violent attacks upon her civilian population, and they need to signal a change of policy in that regard. Henceforth, if Israel’s neighbors wish to remain in the land the now occupy, they should take care to refrain from attacking their neighbor, or they need to understand that they will suffer the permanent loss of territory and the right to remain on the lands they now occupy.

There is no other solution to the conflict in the middle east. Either Israel’s neighbors recognize Israel’s right to exist and cease further attacks, or they need to understand that they will eventually forfeit any right to remain upon all of the lands they now occupy.

objectivefactsmatter

“If anything, it’s the US who hold Israel back from full fledged response on her own.”

That’s true, but ever since Carter the US has to some degree forced Israel in to greater dependence on US.

They can do it on their own, but our betrayal hurts them because we coerced this dependence.

rubber stamp

nonsense. All major innovations by the US Blue Chip companies and US Military were developed in Israel or by Israel. The Aid Israel gets is minuscule comparing to what all Islamic and Eastern Europe countries get in foreign aid. And what exactly do you get back from those “truly dependent” places?)))) Sorry, but your fascination with Israel’s foreign aid is mind bugling, and besides your dislike for the state I can’t think of any other reason for your logic.

objectivefactsmatter

You’d be less offended if I used “interdependence” I guess. Israel counts on America keeping its promises. That’s not Israel’s fault when America renegs.

“and besides your dislike for the state I can’t think of any other reason for your logic.”

Because you didn’t understand the statement. Most of what you inferred actually came from your imagination.

rubber stamp

my apologies if I misunderstood your point. I don’t accept the notion that US created dependence of some sort. I don’t view it as “dependence”. It’s more like a football team where USA and Israel are teammates must play in unison according to teams objectives. Israel plays vital role in Mideast as an ally and partner, and vice versa. USA is “dependent” on Israel in the region on many levels, too. You might want to wish Israel will act unilaterally, without giving “heads up” to a “team player” USA. Only that USA is acting more like it’s undermining it’s own game and teammates. Now, that’s a huge problem.

Gee

When we stuck up for the Christians in Lebanon to protect them from Islamic genocide the entire world including the Pope condemned for that act.

defcon 4

That was disgusting. I believe Lebanon’s Christians have been emigrating from Lebanon — and who can blame them?

Drakken

Funny true story where that is concerned, we let Israeli tanks go by with a nice wave and our Captain had a complete meltdown when I told him better for the Jews to come by and deal with the muslims than us.

EamonnDublin

Just when we all should be pulling together to overcome the obvious threat to Western civilization, out comes a book that does no good whatsoever. Since I was a young lad watching westerns, I know that when confronted by a threat you forget all internal and personal differences and circle the wagons. Why come out with such a book as this at this time? Methinks we have a renegade in our midst! As for myself – I am a Christian; I also stand with Israel. Let us all join hands, circle the wagons, and confront the evil which seeks to destroy us. Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland.

Texas Patriot

Count me in!

EamonnDublin

Thank you, Sir/Madam! I totally concur. Éamonn.

Texas Patriot

You’re welcome.

objectivefactsmatter

We need the elites running the RCC to join us. That’s the purpose of the book, not to attack Catholic believers.

defcon 4

The leadership of the CC frequently disgusts me and seeing the Pope kissing the feet of muslimes is one of the most disgusting in recent history.

Wolfthatknowsall

I missed that, defcon? It really happened?

I don’t claim to be an expert on Islam, but as I understand, most Muslims would consider such an act to be the Pope’s acknowledgement of the authority of Islam, in the world.

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

[21] …For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretence of succsession to St. Peter, their whole hierarchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared not unfitly to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives’ fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily perceive that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start out of the ruins of that heathen power.

From a reading of some pf the responses to my post, I easily deduce that
there are still plenty of hotheads and bigots around who don’t
understand the reason for my suggestion that Christians and Jews “join
hands and circle the wagons”. Do these people SERIOUSLY want their
granddaughters to be facing Mecca five times a day, etc. Would they not
prefer to join forces in the face of those who claim that they will put
the rest of us to the sword? I don’t hear the Christians or the Jews
threatening that they will destroy everybody who does not share their
beliefs. There is ONE main threat to civilization. The rest of us
simply have to stop internal squabbling and ensure our survival.
Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland.

Bro.Nathanael is always good for a bit of anti-semitism. Quite entertaining too. Hard to believe he’s a born and raised Jew. But he’s wrong. THE no.1 rite of passage for any ambitious US poltician and mandatory for every new president, is visiting the Vatican with his penitent heretic fist lady in black. But Bro.Nat. will never suggest such a thing since he’s a pawn of the Vatican.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

Nathanael is a Jew… dumbfúck…

EamonnDublin

Classy!!! Éamonn, Dublin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

The Golden Calf has grown up to be a hollow Bronze Bull…
Sodom Hussein Obama is just a lawn jockey for George Soros and Goldman-Sachs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

Consider Shakespeare’s language in Othello and Iago in this soliloquy….

‘The Moor is of a free and open nature that thinks men honest that but seem to be and will be tenderly led by the nose, as ásses are.’

There is about a 5000 word college term paper in just that sentence… Judaic word fetishism and Tikkun Olam paganism from linguists like Marxist Noam Chomsky at MIT use the Talmud as their blueprint… The Golden Calf has grown up to be a hollow Bronze Bull…

Could you speak allegorically to save your own Life?

Our universities started as divinity schools… and now look at them…

I warn people about the lexicon of the left… and I’m not surprised at the knee jerk reactions of my own right wing side wanting to shout me down, which is not only typical of the left anymore…

Words like “hero” and “tragedy” are abused with complete abandon and I think it is a mistake… words do mean things… and falling into rhetorical traps from linguists like Noam Chomsky over at MIT (Marxist Institute of Tautology) does us no good at all, allowing progressives to define the the parameters of public discourse is a failure strategy.

This is why the Lone Ranger Ted Cruz is so dangerous to the left… he is not a “hero” yet, but we need to do all we can to make him one…

southwood

There are reasons for disagreement, serious theological reasons. They should not be pushed aside. The vatican would love everyone to join with them while at the same time they are ready to betray everyone who won’t compromise with them.

EamonnDublin

I was going to respond to your comment, so I had a glance at what you have written previously. Having read your previous comments, I quickly decided not to respond to this one, apart from to say that, with just a few others on the board, you appear to be a little on the nasty side. Éamonn, Dublin.

southwood

Sure now, Eamonn, be havin’ a wee gargle on me. Just a wee one, mind.

From yer fellow celt across the Irish Sea.

EamonnDublin

There now! Doesn’t that make you feel a lot better! BTW, I don’t drink (alcohol). As Billy Connolly said, “I’ve had enough”). You can have one on me. Best Wishes, Éamonn.

southwood

I don’t drink either Eamonn. I am truly sorry that you find me to be nasty. I admit to being outspoken and do often reply to provocative comments rather abrasively. Perhaps I need to learn a greater degree of forbearance. Thanks for pointing that out.

EamonnDublin

Southwood, I am sure you are not “nasty”. I should have said that I found some of your COMMENTS “a little on the nasty side”. Your responses since I said that have shown that you are far from nasty. Go n-eirí an bóthar leat! Éamonn.

southwood

Thank you, Eamonn. But your Irish Gaelic is impossible for me, a Scot, to understand. The languages diverged long centuries ago. “Go” must mean “gu” (to) “; n-eiri” mmm…”eirigh”, to rise ? “bothar”? “leat” is the same word, “with you”.

EamonnDublin

Excellent! Almost there! It is “May the road rise with you”. It means may any hills you have to climb along your road of life be made easier by “the road rising with you”. Éamonn.

southwood

Yes, it’s part of a prayer. Slan leat cuideachd !

EamonnDublin

Thank you! (“Go raibh maith agat”) Talk later. É.

Drakken

Oh come on now ! You Irish lads aren’t afraid to have a very lively discussion now are you? For Petes sake ! It didn’t take much to get an Irishmans hackles up, what happened?

EamonnDublin

We matured! Same as the cowboys and indians matured.
For such a very small country, our natives are not doing too badly, wherever they are in the world! Éamonn.

defcon 4

I’d suggest the entire civilised world needs to join together and resist islam0nazism or hang separately.

EamonnDublin

Absolutely! Éamonn.

BagLady

My dear workaholic Palestinian friend faced Mecca 5 times a day. When he stopped off between business appointments and popped into the Masjid to pray, I’d nip into the coffee shop and wait for him. Didn’t take long before he emerged, energized and refreshed and we could set off to our next appointment. Not sure why a coffee break is acceptable but a quick word with God is not.

EamonnDublin

Have you somehow got the idea that I consider a quick word with God not to be acceptable? In fact, I fully commend it, be it from Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or whatever. Oh, and yes, even atheists (when they have a crisis!!). Éamonn, Dublin.

Drakken

The problem is mate, the muslims don’t worship God, they worship the bloody devil himself and follow and live by the devils disciple Mohamed.

defcon 4

Inveighing allah to kill the najjis kaffir is never wasted time is it allahtard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.

Jews would not consider that an acknowledgement, by the Pope, of the supernatural superiority of Judaism, unlike Muslims …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

Thomas Hobbes said the Papists and Presbyters were nothing more than ‘ghosts of the deceased Roman Empire sitting crowned upon the grave thereof.’

Hobbes fled for his life to France while Oliver Cromwell laid waste to the British Isles proving it.

defcon 4

So what? Was he kissing anyone’s feet while he was there?

BagLady

This is your problem. Not his.

krinks

They can’t “Join Us” until they wake up to the fact that the Roman Catholic Church has always taught a false gospel and the Pope is not a descendant of an Apostle but the Roman Empowers. They have been teaching Replacement Theology since the third century which has been at the forefront of every anti-Semitic act since.

defcon 4

So all the pogroms against Jews committed by muslimes in Al Andalus, Jerusalem and Baghdad were actually the fault of the Catholics?

NYgal

No, the pogroms committed by Muslims against Jews were not the fault of the Catholics, but the pogroms, slaughter, forced conversions, expulsions committed by the Catholics with the encouragement of the Catholic Church and the Vatican for over 1000 years are.

The history of the Jewish people in Europe is a tragic and very bleak story of expulsions, violence, humiliation with the survivors moving on to a new place to rebuild their lives and then being subjected again to more of the same.
The United States has been unique in their relatively decent behavior towards the Jews. Let’s hope it lasts.

Wolfthatknowsall

The United States has been unique in their relatively decent behavior towards the Jews. Let’s hope it lasts.”

Indeed, let’s hope and pray that it lasts …

One of the most tragic things that ever befell the people of the Diaspora was the doctrine of supercessionism (and I’m sure that you know what that is). It was the excuse for every brutality and indignity inflicted upon the Jewish people in Europe.

This doctrine is slowly spreading among Christians in the United States … among people who ought to know better. Primarily, it is finding a rebirth in the Left’s “churches”, and makes a particularly good excuse for hating Israel.

If America falls permanently under the control of the Left, Israel will find herself isolated in the world.

smartypup

why do Jews vote overwhelmingly OVER AND OVER for far left radicals like Obama that embrace the death cult of islam? we have the Muslim Brotherhood at the very top of our government and dictating policy in the military thanks to stupid liberals and that includes most Jews. I am not anti semitical, it is time to stop being PC about this. Please do NOT insult Christians like myself. However, with mainstream protestant and CAtholic churches embracing marxism you can certainly expect more misery in this country as they vote in more evil ppl.

Wolfthatknowsall

Don’t ask me why they vote in almost every radical who comes down the pike. I haven’t a clue as to why they vote the way they do. David or Daniel might be able to tell you, but I can’t.

I would never consider insulting Christians, considering that I am a Christian, myself. But you need to know for a fact that the Left has its churches, and the Right has its churches.

defcon 4

So why did you imply that they (i.e. Catholics) “have been at the forefront of every anti-Semitic act since.”

defcon 4

As more muslimes immigrate to the US you will be seeing that disappearing, for proof of this all I have to do is point you to practically any major uni. or college in the US that has a large muslime presence, or any place in Europe/Eurabia today.

Suzanne

Replacement Theology has not been the cause of EVERY anti-Semitic activity but a lot of them. I maintain that the Holocaust was not a Christianity vs.Jewish movement EXACTLY but the fact that it succeeded so well among the European people probably had a lot to do with centuries of anti Jewish rhetoric coming from the Roman Catholic Church as well as other Christian religious leadership.

krinks

I beg to differ. Replacement Theology institutionalized the notion that Jews had to stop being Jews in order to be saved. This led the charge to oppress them.

krinks

I beg to differ. Replacement Theology institutionalized the notion that Jews had to stop being Jews in order to be saved. This led the charge to oppress them.

Wolfthatknowsall

Exactly. But go to any evangelical church in flyover country and you will find that the vast majority of them are Israel supporters, because they believe in the authenticity of the Bible … including God’s threats against those who curse Israel.

The most active anti-Jew/Israel churches are to be found in the mainline denominations.

chuckie2u

It is an effort to bring us all together under the NWO’S accepted version of a Religion whose shoe will fit all feet. There will be an attempt to combine Islam and the Roman Church and leave the Jews out.

defcon 4

Not. A. Chance. While the leadership of the CC might go for that, islam0nazis would never tolerate it. A Turkish muslime attempted to assassinate John-Paul and another Turkish islam0nazi stabbed a Catholic priest to death in his own chapel.

southwood

I agree. The set up will be suitable for Muslims, Romanists, and several other cults.

QAX3kFmH

too right,mate. This is article waste of time.

Suzanne

Disagree. The truth is the truth and Meotti is correct. Naturally, it would be nice if the West could come together to combat Islam but covering up Vatican crime against the Jews should be irrelevant to this cause. Even taking a look at Muslim crime against Jews truthfully which Meotti does brillantly will help bring moral clarity to all the West in fighting Islam.

EamonnDublin

Suzanne, Methinks a little more study might be in order. Also, a little more looking to present and the the future, as opposed to searching in the rear mirror. Looking too hard into your rear mirror, and criticising the bad driving behind you, often causes huge mishaps on the road in front. Éamonn.

radicalrepublican

EamonnDublin , I quite concur with your postings! As an Irish Catholic in America I find the prejudices expressed here against the Church to be troubling. This fighting between Christian sects is NOT HELPFUL! Enough! Catholics are not the problem people, cut the cr@p! Go to any Mass and see for yourself instead of reading crazy stuff by anti-Catholic bigots, of which there are plenty posting here .

BagLady

You haven’t actually said what this “obvious threat to Western civilization” is nor around whose camp fire we should encircle our wagons.

EamonnDublin

Hi “BagLady”. I suspect you are just being mischievous? However, just in case you are serious, here goes. The “obvious threat to Western civilization” is that group of people who regularly proclaim loudly that they will conquer Western civilization and subject it to Shari’a Law. That group is normally known collectively as Islamic extremists who consider anybody who is not of the Muslim faith to be a fair target for murder.

As for “circling the wagons” that is a (sort of) euphemism for Western society banding together as one solid grouping in order to withstand and defeat the murderous thugs who proclaim that they will kill us all if we do not convert to Islam. Comprendez?
Best Wishes, Éamonn, Dublin.

wildjew

Pope Francis’ recent publication highlights the “troubling” influence of Marxism within the Catholic Church, according to Accuracy in Media director Cliff Kincaid.

“Ladies and gentlemen, I’m not here to beat up on the pope,” he said in a video recently uploaded to YouTube. “That’s not my job. But I can read. I can read this document. I can see what he is saying, and I can tell you right now that this is a very, very disappointing document, and it makes me wonder about the future of the Roman Catholic Church in this world and what they’re heading towards.”

The Catholic Church has demonstrated time and time again that it is not reliable as a source of authentic Christian teaching and Christian doctrine, and this latest episode is no exception.

objectivefactsmatter

In a broad sense, the RCC was the great early pioneer in “socialism.” It’s not that they are Marxist but that Marx probably was inspired by what the RCC “could have done” in his mind had they not been “deluded” by theology. I don’t know of any earlier sovereign that employed totalitarian doctrines and policies in order to perfect society.

Texas Patriot

OFM: “I don’t know of any earlier sovereign that employed totalitarian doctrines and policies in order to perfect society.”

From my perspective, no one has ever quite gotten it quite right in balancing the ideas of free market economics and human rights. Personally, I always thought that Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan came pretty close with their ideas of free market economics coupled with a “safety net” for market aberrations and unexpected business failures, but clearly something wasn’t right or we wouldn’t have the $17 trillion national debt we do today.

Basically, I think the key to the future will be found in Adam Smith’s ideas of free market economics, coupled with Thomas Jefferson’s ideas for universal human rights, synchronized with John Kennedy’s ideas of a New Frontier of science and technology, low individual and corporate taxes, and investment incentives to stimulate research and development and investment in new capital equipment.

If we can find a way to put all that together in one package and get the American people on board to push for a New Renaissance of Economic Growth and Prosperity, all things are possible in America. As Kennedy always said, “A rising tide raises all boats.” And that’s what we need to see in America today.

The last paragraph says it all. As intolerant as Islam is, the Roman Catholic Church is just as bad. Look at their history. They’re just as Jew-hating as bloody Islam. The RCC is just another religious ‘industry’. Christ, to them, is beside the point. Why do you think they don’t speak out about the slaughter of Christians in the Middle East? Because THEY DON’T CARE! A question to future history: who will be the first pope to convert to Islam? After all, it’s only a matter of time.

defcon 4

Just as bad eh? Try telling that to the najjis kaffir being slaughtered, persecuted, raped and forcibly converted to islam, all over the islamic world, in the here and now. How many terrorist attacks have been committed by Catholics over the last hundred years? How many by islam0nazis? You’re re-iterating the bullshit defense lieberals and atheists commonly use to defend islam. It’s an argument of false equivalence when applied to the just about any time in history. If you think the CC was bad in the past, why don’t you look at what the f’ing muzzies did in the Indian sub-continent — and is STILL going on today.

Dyer’s Eve

Crapcom4 whatever, you’re a pain in the arse. It is about time I responded to you and told you what I think. You’re obviously a very committed Roman Catholic. I ask why? After all, the RCC has raped murdered, sodomised and stolen for centuries. Otherwise, how could it be the richest organisation on the planet? Theft. Just like Islam. Theft. Stop with this ‘false equivalence’ crap. Big words don’t impress me. It didn’t wash the last time, it won’t wash now!
Religion holds no creedence. Firstly; it is about money, secondly; it is about power, thirdly; it is about control. Fear, ignorance, hatred, bigotry and violence is the glue that holds it all together.

http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ Jason P

There is no doubt that institutional Christianity has been a source of antisemitism and the Jews have suffered horribly. Whether that is the source of the current anti-Zionist animus or whether the Catholic Church has absorbed the general leftist hostility towards Israel is something I can’t decide.

What is absurd, however, is the failure to support the one safe haven for Christians in the Middle East: Israel. Christians are being slaughtered in Muslim nations: Egypt, Syria, Iraq, etc. Ignorant Arab Christians choose the wrong side. That the Catholic Church is also blind is both immoral and self-defeating.

Bruce has courage for addressing this delicate but important matter. Hopefully Catholics will confront their Church’s leadership on this issue. Good Catholics haven’t and can’t give up on their Church. Let’s give them our support.

BagLady

This article is a little bit too late. There is a new Pope. He is like no other since (fill in for me those who know). His message is very simple. Love. Peace. Frugal even. I should imagine he has many enemies within the Vatican elite but an enemy of Jews? I really don’t think so.

defcon 4

And more importantly, he sucks up to his islam0nazism, and isn’t that’s what’s really important baghead?

chuckie2u

Until I actually visited the ovens in Germany and read the plaques regarding the victims I was unaware of the numbers of Catholics,Christians and “Enemies of the State” that were part of the murders. It is evident we have been fed an over dose of propagander making it appear the Jews were the only victims of Hitler. While Hitler did his evil Communism has murdered millions more and our Government along with the Pope is so silent about the victims Lenin,Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot buried .

jt4

With Jews it’s always been all or nothing. As a Roman Catholic I’ve always supported Israel but if Jews wish to start trouble, then so be it. Good luck to you and yours in the middle east.

It is only Jews who forget Jesus was a Jew.

defcon 4

Most Christians I know argue that Yeshua wasn’t Jewish. I’ve never actually heard what they think he really was, because for some reason the debate never gets that far.

jt4

Baloney.

defcon 4

Exactly two Christians I’ve discussed this matter with ever agreed with me that Jesus was Jewish. One of them was Lebanese. Of course, I’ve only discussed the matter w/a handful of Christians. The majority of Christians I’ve discussed this with denied Jesus was Jewish at which point the debates always turn ugly.

Drakken

Wait until you have a discussion with a eastern orthodox Christian then, it really gets interesting then. As for the other arguments the Christians and jews have with each other? It is nothing but a game of semantics.

This book is not based on fact. I had a lot of respect and trusted the writers on FP…until now. Allowing this misinformation to be posted has caused me to question everything else I have read, and took to be well-researched fact, on this site. I don’t need to go into detail, because the truth is out there and easily accessible to anyone who is interested.

Ezekiel Lamb

Pope Benedict XVI {616} former Bavarian Hitler youth member resigned {the first in over 600 yrs} some 3 weeks after 240plus Catholics lost their lives in a Santa Maria nightclub overcome by toxic fumes in a overcrowded windowless chamber the exit barred by security men in a scene reminiscent of a WW2 gas chamber.the date was 27/1/2013 . 27/1/2013 is International Holocaust Memorial Day . {did the Pope jump or was he pushed?} The new Pope hails from the Argentine!

bob

Perhaps you would want to quote from Albert Einstein ‘ …the Pope alone stood up to the Nazis ‘ Estimates of 800,000 Jews saved by the church . Rabbis who converted to Catholism …check Churchill on the subject … I am appalled that Bruce Bawer would accept and repeat common Left wing propaganda —of course anyone can find instances of someone in the church saying things derogatory about Jews , and for that matter protestants ..the story quoted is old hash .. Bruce ! My God !

Publius

How does Frontpage mag endorse this garbage and the hack who wrote it? Bawer has a gay agenda. Undermining the moral compass of the church by attacking the modern Popes is his objective here. His goal is to try and rewrite the morality of the church so it will accept gay lifestyle as normal. Civil recognition and tolerance are not enough for his ilk, acceptance is what he is after.
One of his books arrogantly tries to tell Christians that what we have always believed is false, but he magically knows the truth and can show us the error in our ways. Make no mistake, Bawer is a very sick individual. My trust in this magazine has now been diminished and it makes me sad. I’ve been a supporter (purchasing many books by FP writers) and daily reader for over 13 years.

mackykam

The very fact that Jews continue exist and have not been absorbed by the multitude uncovers the lie promulgated by Christianity, namely, that Jews are no longer the Chosen People. The very basis for church legitimacy lies in replacement theology, namely, new Jews are Christians.
Israel’s existence is a real threat to the existence of Christianity. God has obviously not abandoned His people but is in the midst of resurrecting them to their rightful place among the nations of the world. And as for Christianity, well, two thousand years of preaching and practice have hardly made a dent in man’s inhumanity to man.
Guess there must be an inherent flaw in the message.

defcon 4

By your reasoning the right to remain silent is meaningless, because by your twisted reasoning it would be an admission of guilt.

defcon 4

“the Jews attack us viciously”, I’d imagine the Christians who live in Israel don’t agree with you.

southwood

Ask the Messianic Jews in Israel, pal. They have suffered arson attacks from the haredim and much harassment. Anyway, I was referring more to the nastiness of people such as yourself and this extremely obnoxious Gee fellow who posts pure hatred on here.

defcon 4

Um, what are Christians in the rest of the Mid-East and N. Africa experiencing at the hands of your muslime brethren again?

southwood

MY “muslime brethren” ! You cannot even argue with someone without false accusations and ad homs. You are utterly bereft of dignity.

Mark Keefe

There will always be tensions there and what most of the public doesn’t know or misses is that almost every Advent, Israel requests from the Vatican ownership of Bethlehem and Jerusalem. There is always odd news on the net how the Vatican wants to lay its hands on Jerusalem but the Vatican owns both those Cities yet through International treaty leaves it fully open to the public and for Israel to build or do a lot of things yet if you note in wars, enemies of Israel tend to target Israeli Cities more often than those owned by Vatican but since ownership is in loose form here, Israel basically wants total ownership that it will never get. The RCC believes Jesus will return to one of those Cities and I forget which one but that he will build his Kingdom there so they will never let go of ownership in full. They have the Vatican located outside of Palestine known as Israel since the late 1940s for protection in wars until that second coming. Israel is expecting a first coming and also wants strategic points that it is just never going to get in full ownership so things to on privately and the public is told a different thing while reality is the same now as it has been for the Vatican and those Cities for 2000 years since the Roman Empire and not going to change from what it is now. They bent as far as they will. I wish them both good luck because they will need it lol

Dan84iel

So the Catholic Church is collectively responsible for what some random Catholics journalists wrote? By that logic can we say that “the Jews” are responsible for Marxism, Freudism, and the Frankfurt School?