This one was hard to watch, especially at the end. The Wolfpack seemingly never really got it rolling against the Heels and seemed timid and frustrated the entire game. So what happened? Letâ€™s break it down.

1) Leslie didnâ€™t bring it: The best player on the team is going to have to shoulder a responsibility in this one. Thereâ€™s no way that Calvin Leslie who has absolutely dominated UNC in his career, should come out against a smaller defender (PJ Hairston) and finish with 6 points and 4 rebounds. Iâ€™m not sure why he wasnâ€™t aggressive against Hairston, a smaller, weaker defender. He shot only 8 times all game, less than any other starter. Maybe he was trying to play smarter, limit the turnovers? Well, that didnâ€™t work, he still had 6 and on defense, he was alright, but still wasnâ€™t the factor he should have been. Leslieâ€™s had been rebounding better as of late, however on Saturday he only finished with 4, and again, didnâ€™t have a block. Leslie is averaging 1 block per game, down from both his freshman and sophomore season. This kid is still one of the most talented players in the country and the deciding factor on how far this team can go. Theyâ€™re going only as far as Leslie will take them. They simply need more from him.

2) Defense Needs to be Serious: This is not play time anymore. The games where NC State slacks off on a few possession here and there on defense need to be over. I know they play at a very fast pace and it probably takes a toll on the guys ability to lock down on every possession, but if you want to be a GREAT team you need to cut out the excuses. Tired on defense, get in better shape. Thatâ€™s the only answer there is. Either that, or keep losing games you should win. If this team wants to do anything that will go down in history, or be remembered years and years from now, they need to become defensive minded. Locking down their man needs to become more fun and more rewarding than throwing down a dunk on the break. There is no way Marcus Paige should ever control a game against Lorenzo Brown and thereâ€™s no way Reggie Bullock, a guy who really can only beat you by shooting it, should ever get clean looks because we go underneath screens. Itâ€™s just that theyâ€™re making too many bonehead plays and losing focus on defense too easily to be a great team right now. The reason this team isnâ€™t #6 in the nation is not because of any reason other than defense. State is 5th in the nation in FG% and 10th in PPG, so offensively this team is right where we were picked to be nationallyâ€¦however thatâ€™s only the offensive end. The Pack has come up short all season long on D and will come up short in March unless something is done about it.

5) The Enigma that is Lorenzo Brown: 12 points and 12 assists. When you look at Brownâ€™s line you have to be impressed. He played great in spurts and was absolutely the dominant PG that NBA scouts should be drooling oerâ€¦but then there are times when it just goes away. Times when he drives to the basked, shies away from contact and just throws the ball upâ€¦times when heâ€™s going too fast and is too loose with the basketball ( he finished with 4 TOs), times when heâ€™s just no where to be found on defense. Look, this team is asking a TON out of Lorenzo Brown. 12 points and 12 assists is a great game, so no one is taking that away from him, but great numbers does not equal wins. This team needs to lock down on defense. This team needs to start playing stronger. Outside of Howell theyâ€™re soft. There, itâ€™s been said. This team is soft and if that doesnâ€™t change soon, if this team doesnâ€™t start inviting physicality and embracing it, then theyâ€™re going to get run over by a team that does.

1. CJ no-show: C.J. Leslie has always had trouble at UNCâ€™s Smith Center. Saturdayâ€™s miserable performance, however, was clearly his worst. Failing to take advantage of a defensive mismatch provided by f the Tar Heelsâ€™ smaller lineup, the preseason ACC Player of the Year had as many turnovers as points (6) with only four rebounds while going 3 of 8 from the floor and 0 for 4 from the line â€“ prompting coach Mark Gottfried to call him out publicly after the game.

2. Playing with fire: Miami has flirted with its first ACC loss several times in the past few weeks, including another close call at home against Virginia on Tuesday. Saturday at Wake Forest, of all places, the Hurricanes finally got burned when they took the Deacons lightly, shot 39 percent from the floor, turned the ball over 13 times and fell behind too far to fashion yet another heroic comeback while crashing hard â€“ to the tune of 80-65.

LOOKING AHEAD

The marquee game of the week is Saturday at Cameron Indoor Stadium, when Duke get its shot at redemption against suddenly reeling Miami. Before that, however, the Blue Devils still have to negotiate a difficult road game at Virginia on Thursday. N.C. State faces a pair of must-wins if it wants a first-round ACC tournament bye â€“ at home against BC on Wednesday and at Georgia Tech on Sunday. UNC meanwhile, will try to keep its small lineup momentum going Wednesday at Clemson.

North Carolina 76, N.C. State 65
It wasnâ€™t a shock that Carolina, which has been FIGURING THINGS OUT (narrative alert), got revenge on rival N.C. State at home. But the way it happened was a bit of a surprise. N.C. State only trailed by six at the break despite committing 12 first-half turnovers. C.J. Leslie had six turnovers all by himself (five in the first half) and struggled the whole game, even though he was guarded by the 6-5 P.J. Hairston. But N.C. State still took a four-point lead midway through the second half. Then North Carolina made plays, and N.C. State didnâ€™t. Sometimes, itâ€™s that simple. Oh, and Leslie was on the bench during N.C. Stateâ€™s run and upon his return, North Carolina made its run. So thereâ€™s that. Also, UNC had with 27 points off N.C. Stateâ€™s 17 turnovers. UNC has built some momentum, but a top-four ACC Tournament seed is far from a lock. And N.C. State has a relatively easy slate remaining, but is anything easy for the Pack this year?Special shoutout: Marcus Paige
The freshman point guard had all 14 of his points in the second half, including many at key moments. He finished with eight assists to no turnovers, his best A/TO performance since the McNeese State game on December 22nd. Stats aside, though, Paige bounced back from a brutal performance in Raleigh against Lorenzo Brown, who utterly dominated the freshman in that game. Paige didnâ€™t exactly dominate Brown, but he showed a lack of fear and was very poised down the stretch. Brown played fine, with 12 assists and four turnovers, but he didnâ€™t own the matchup nearly the way everyone thought he would (or could). While Brown will get some criticism for that, Paige deserves praise as well, and plenty of it. The freshman has come a long way.

Looking Ahead

North Carolina at Clemson, Thursday, 7:00 p.m.
Oddly enough, this feels like UNCâ€™s toughest remaining game until it hosts Duke to end the season. At Maryland will be tough, and Maryland is a better team than Clemson. But the young Tar Heels will be ready for that atmosphere, and they may not be ready for this one. Itâ€™s easy to get up to face a team like Maryland; not as easy to get up to face a Clemson team that has been struggling. And Clemson is where offense goes to die. UNC can afford to drop a game or two and still feel good about making the tournament, but this arguably isnâ€™t one of them.Player to watch: Reggie Bullock
While Marcus Paige deservedly got most of the praise after UNCâ€™s win, Bullock was the leading scorer for the Tar Heels and continued to do what he does – namely, make smart plays, get big offensive rebounds and, oh yeah, knock down threes. He had averaged 11.7 points in UNCâ€™s â€œsmallâ€ lineup until his 22-point explosion against N.C. State (to go with 13 rebounds). Heâ€™s averaged 12.9 points in ACC road games, and there have been road games this year where heâ€™s been the only Tar Heel to show up. Heâ€™s one the only Tar Heels who has significant experience in this type of environment, and if he struggles, it would seem UNC might, too.

Duke at Virginia, Thursday, 9:00 p.m.
If Duke wins this game, thereâ€™s still a very real chance it could at least tie or maybe even win the ACC regular season outright. If it doesnâ€™t? The Miami rematch on Saturday will be fun, but it will only be for pride and possible NCAA Tournament seeding. Virginia is still undefeated at home in league play with an average victory margin of +18.6 points. Dukeâ€™s average road margin overall is +2.9, but it includes three losses (two by single digits, one by 27 points). Virginia has looked mighty good lately .. .but so has Duke, winning its last two games by an average of 26.5 points. Virginia could really use this one, a marquee win to secure an NCAA Tournament berth. And the Cavaliers could use it to keep pace in the ACC Tournament seeding race as well.Player to watch: Seth Curry
If ACC Player of the Year were decided based solely on how someone performed in road games, Seth Curry would be a frontrunner at the very least. Heâ€™s had one road stinker (zero points at Miami). But even including that game, Curry has averaged 18.4 points on 46.4% shooting in seven ACC road games. Without it, Curry has averaged 21.5 points on nearly 52% shooting in six games. Heâ€™s often saved Duke in some close road wins. Can he do it again against a tough Virginia defense?

3. North Carolina (19-8, 9-5) Last week: 4My take: North Carolina still has road trips left against Clemson and Maryland as well as home dates against Florida State and Duke. If the Tar Heels can win three or more of those games, theyâ€™ll likely be the ACCâ€™s â€œitâ€ team heading into the post season.
Good thing they donâ€™t have to go to Wake Forest, huh?

4. N.C. State (19-8, 8-6) Last week: 3My take: The conventional wisdom surrounding N.C. State during its recent struggles was that, regardless of the ups and downs of the regular season, the Wolfpack can still put together a deep postseason run. It happened last season. It could happen again.
Now, Iâ€™m not so sure.

9. Georgia Tech (14-12, 4-10) Last week: 9My take: I know this has been a bit of a lost season for the Yellow Jackets. But the freshmen trio of guard Chris Bolden, wing Marcus Georges-Hunt and forward Robert Carter should give Tech fans reason for optimism.

11. Boston College (12-15, 4-10) Last week: 11My take: Yes, the Eagles are young. But when do growing pains turn into just regular pains?

Maybe the team in the ACC surging the most, the Tar Heels convincingly won at Georgia Tech and then pulled away from NC State and are playing quite well. The smallish lineup is working and Roy Williams is pushing the right buttons with his team.

4. Virginia (19-8, 9-5)

Tony Bennettâ€™s club is building some shields of mental toughness. After a difficult loss at UNC in which the Tar Heels scored more points than anyone has against Bennett since he got into the ACC, the Cavaliers suffered what was essentially a last-second loss at Miami. But they rebounded to rip apart Georgia Tech, 82-54, and remain in excellent position to get a bye in the ACC Tournament.

5. NC State (19-8, 8-6)

The most underachieving team in the ACC so far this season was once again at it. The Wolfpack looked terrific in pounding Florida State, but then couldnâ€™t handle UNCâ€™s second-half eruption and lost convincingly at the Tar Heels. NC State is in serious danger of having to play on Thursday of the ACC Tournament.

10. Georgia Tech (14-12, 4-10)

In a week where the other lower-end teams picked up wins, the Yellow Jackets fell twice, losing big at home to UNC and by 28 at Virginia. This team was close to putting together a nice string of outings, but hasnâ€™t been able to get it going.

11. Boston College (12-15, 4-10)

The bottom teams picked up victories this past week, including the Eagles over Maryland just days after the Terrapins knocked off Duke. Boston College has proven to be quite difficult at home, but is awful on the road, as evidenced by its uncompetitive loss at Duke on Sunday.

3. Same goes for NC State, up-and-down conference performance notwithstanding. Unlike last season, the Wolfpack actually have a few wins of substance in the regular season and a superior RPI ranking. Unless the wheels fall completely off, however unlikely, NC State is just allowing a favorable seed placement to deteriorate.

4. Once NC State gets to Greensboro and whichever NCAA Tournament bracket they’re assigned, the Wolfpack will only go as far as Calvin Leslie feels like taking them.

Mark Gottfried has earned praise in the way he’s delicately handled Leslie, an enigmatic personality, through the coaching transition and the current season where the lure of the NBA looms in the background. The coach has kept his comments to the media on Leslie’s development even-handed and focused on the macro idea of everyone playing their best basketball toward the end of the season.

Well, it’s almost March and Leslie has been more of a liability to the Wolfpack in rematches against Duke and North Carolina. It’s concerning enough that Gottfried finally addressed what many observers have been saying for weeks on Saturday.

“He’s a great player and great players got to step up and play, period,” Gottfried said. “I love him as much as anybody, but when you’re a good player, then you have to play better.”

Now all eyes are on Leslie to see how he reacts to the latest button push by his coach.

The Wolfpack, in coach Dave Doerenâ€™s first season, will play eight home games, including the first four of the season. The Pack gets likely preseason ACC favorite Clemson in a Thursday night showcase game on ESPN on Sept. 19.

“Opening up with four straight games at home allows Wolfpack Nation to have a huge influence on jump starting our 2013 season,” Doeren said in a statement released by the school.

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Doerenâ€™s first game is against Louisiana Tech, which will also be the debut of former ECU coach Skip Holtz with the Bulldogs. Duke hosts Durham neighbor N.C. Central.

Doerenâ€™s first game against the Tar Heels will be Nov. 2. The next Saturday the Wolfpack goes to Duke and the Blue Devils finish the regular season at UNC on Nov. 30. Both UNC and N.C. State will get a visit from East Carolina this season.

Duke, 6-7 a year ago, beat UNC last season and the Tar Heels beat N.C. State. This will be only the third time since the ACC expanded before the 2004 season that Duke and N.C. State will play in football. Duke won the last meeting in 2009.

N.C. State is in transition after a 7-6 finish in 2012. Doeren, who led Northern Illinois to a 12-win season and the Orange Bowl, was hired to replace Tom Oâ€™Brien in December.

The Wolfpack also needs to replace Mike Glennon, expected to be one of the first quarterbacks taken in the NFL draft. The Packâ€™s new quarterback wonâ€™t have to go on the road until Oct. 5 (at Wake Forest) and will only have to leave the state twice â€“ at FSU on Oct. 26 and at Boston College on Nov. 16.

Because of the way the calendar falls, the 2013 season will include two open dates for all teams.

In all, ACC teams will play 11 games against nonconference opponents that were nationally ranked last season. Nine of those games will be against teams that ranked among the nationâ€™s top 10 in 2012.

That includes Virginia Techâ€™s opener against defending national champion Alabama in the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff Classic on Aug. 31, Florida at Miami and Oregon at Virginia on Sept. 5, Boston College at Southern Cal on Sept. 14 and Georgia at Georgia Tech on Nov. 30. The ACC will also play its annual Labor Day night game, with Pitt getting a rude introduction into the league against Florida State at Heinz Field. That game will also be played in prime time.

The ACC Championship Game is scheduled for Saturday, Dec. 7 at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte.

No. 10 NC State hosts New Mexico State for a two-game series on Tuesday at 3 p.m. and Wednesday at 3 p.m. at Doak Field at Dail Park.

NC State head coach Elliott Avent takes on the Aggies (3-4) for the first time since he helmed that squad from 1989-1996. Under Avent, New Mexico State went 225-213 and boasted a 40-19 record in the 1990 season.

The Wolfpack (5-1) will be in good shape if its bats are even half as hot as they were over the weekend. State went 5-0 last week, and scored 43 runs in a doubleheader against Wagner on Sunday. The Pack went 34-for-81 at the plate with 12 doubles, and nine home runs, including three grand slams. Wolfpack batters drew 16 walks and struck out just nine times on their way to scoring in 14 of 16 offensive innings. Brett Williams went 7-for-9 with three doubles, three home runs, and 10 RBIs in the doubleheader.

On this week’s episode head men’s basketball coach Mark Gottfried breaks down the UNC and Florida State games with host Tony Haynes. Also on the show, Mark Thomas visits with Dail Basketball Center staff members who help the Pack compete behind the scenes.

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22 Responses to Tuesday Tidbits

Start the Leslie twins. If Calvin prevails over his evil twin, CJ, then keep him in. Otherwise, for the sake of the teammates who are working hard and playing team ball, bench his ass for the entire game and let’s see what that group can do without a selfish, ball-hogging, auditioning, MEGA-Superstar NBAer out there mucking things up.

I’m really struggling to figure out what goes on in that kids head. One thing I know, he can’t be trusted. You just can’t rely on him to show up every game. How does a coach deal with that? Guess that’s why they get the big bucks.

If Lutz ends up leaving to be a head coach somewhere, we need to pay whatever it takes to poach a good assistant somewhere, e.g. Michigan State, who can teach defense & rebounding.

Back to Leslie, he’s a good example of how some guys just never live up to the hype. Look at the “success” Ryan Harrow is having at Kentucky, even after a redshirt year to get used to the system.

Losing DeShawn Painter has obviously hurt more than we thought. With Leslie in freefall he certainly could have been a valuable member of the rotation. Now we’re either forced to play Vandenburg or go to a smaller lineup with freshman, including missing person Rodney Purvis.

for CJL to be a great player in the College or NBA he needs to develop the short range jumper. Five to Eight feet from the basket. That way defenders will have to come up to him and then with his quickness he can go around them. Right now when he gets the ball within 10 feet of the basket his defender stay back and the other defenders cheat in (except for Woods defender). When CJ backs in the only body him up when he is very close. With usually two defenders on him he launches a circus shot or walks or steps out of bounds or is in the lane for 3 seconds. Because of his smaller size in his upper body compared to say Plumlee or Reggie Johnson he is not going to push them around. I hope his humiliation at the DEAN E SMITH CENTER will be the impetus that lights his fire to show everyone what he is capable of. He was embarrassed and I was embarrassed for him. I hope he turns the negative into a mega positive.

^ Agreed. Been saying all year that he needs a little baby jump hook. He’s the perfect size for it and it would keep defenders honest and give him another offensive option over the dreaded “BCS”.

The fact that Calvin came clean in the media to a degree and took responsibility for letting CJ loose on Saturday gives me a bit more optimism going forward than I felt a couple days ago. If he can keep that guy corralled then we might be in good shape.

Regarding non-conf football matchups, couldn’t help but have Oregon visiting Charlottesville catch my eye. Can you imagine Pack fans and the drooling that would be going on if we could get a marquee BCS school like that into CF? Last one I remember is Ohio State, and that was a decade ago now.

We will finish 12 and 6, the holes will finish 11 and 7, look at the remaining schedule, the holes still have to play duke at Cameron, and will lose one before then as a good defense will offset their ability to score.

It is hard to stomach those that believe that this team has any chance day in and day out of winning without CJ really are letting their emotions interfere with good sense. He is much better on defense than woods or purvis and consistently is a better player.

He did not hype his selfs the media did that, he has never said he was going pro, that’s just being assumed.

I for one do not expect players to perform at a NBA level in college and I certainly don’t think side arm chair coaching from your living room can provide you enough insight to constantly bash a player of any caliber.

What I expect is that some think he should provide 25 points and 16 rebounds every game because he was damned by some pre described quality of play for this year, he is a junior not a senior. And he is a small forward playing a power forward out of position.

PLUMLEE HAS HAD SOME PRETTY DISMAL GAMES AS WELL AS Mcadoo, but their fan base doesn’t smear their confidence as if they could strap on a pair Chuck Taylor’s and school him on the court…

I for one love to watch him play, and struggling is hard to watch, but I know that without him we are not going to be even making the tourney, so if you want to watch a game without Leslie in it perhaps you should sub fr him and show us how it’s done… Sick of the bashing, how bout some school spirit. Who was Mo Rivers. And when did he play.

It’s funny that though this was a game we were supposed to lose, all of the sudden the wheels have come off the bus. Yes, Calvin’s play was sub-par, but there were a lot of great performances on the court on Saturday. Sure it hurts when we lose to the holes, but as the previous commenter pointed out, we have a very favorable schedule for the rest of the way. The only game that should even be a question is at GT, and if we blow that one, then I will start to worry.

I really don’t get the criticism of Lo Brown. The dude went 12 and 12 for goodness sake. He’s still a little out of shape after having to sit for a while, and who knows if he’s able to really practice 100% yet. If there is any criticism it is in not playing WBS more to give Zo the needed blow.

“Itâ€™s funny that though this was a game we were supposed to lose, all of the sudden the wheels have come off the bus.”

It’s not all of a sudden.

The MD loss was a flat tire. A wheel came off with the WF loss. The 3 losses to VA, MIA and Duke took out the other 3 tires. We managed to patch them with duct tape and fix-a-flat and limp through the next 3 games. Now we’ve hit a pothole and blown the first tire again.

Blackfish, UNC has already faced Duke in Cameron, the next match up between them is March 9, in the Dean Dome and it would not surprise me to see the Holes win that one at home. We, however, are an enigma, In the words of Forest Gump, the Pack is like a box of Chocolates, you never know what you are going to get. BC is playing well and Ga. Tech is on the road and we haven’t fared well on the road. We could end up going 2-2 to close out the season. Not what I want, but not out of the question either.

Morris “Mo” Rivers is a basketball legend in the Harlem community. His Wingate High School team won the PSAL Championship. Mo played along side legendary NBA Great, David Thompson, at North Carolina State where they won the NCAA National Championship.

We will finish 12/6,there will be no advantage against Duke, also I predicted the Carolina loss several threads back, we are no enigma, WF is no push over ask Miami, and Maryland I believe has also spanked a top team. So the concept that state has lost wheels, is once again a negative on an unknown. We will finish ahead of Carolina, watch what happens to the holes in the upcoming games they still have to get by Maryland, who beat Duke and State, they still have to beat Duke albeit at there house. But seeding will be on Coach K mind and he will pick Roy’s little squad apart long before the game.

I did not like State at UNX, mainly because Carolina is not a bad team they are however more screwed up than we give them credit for.

I do like Duke and Maryland to beat Carolina. And possibly one other loss before the end of the season

That’s right MO was the guy that constantly caught grief because he never lived up to the expectations of fans, but without MO we would be only talking about 83, my point is that I’ve been watching state b ball for a while, we are teetering on the edge of greatness or great disappointment, one comment of negative nature could impact a young athlete.

If your intention is to motivate I recommend you not use these tactics on your dog he might just take his bone and leave. Or sheepishly hide when you need him most,

I expect as many praises for CJ when he plays well as I have seen negative since the UNX game. 12/6

^^ and Mr. Dog… will confirm that “MO” was the one of first trash talking ‘get in the opponents head’ guards we had…. he knew a wole lot about all the other guards girlfriends and did not hesitate to remind them often….during games….

… a whole bottle of aspirin could not make the headaches MO initiated for his opponents go away…

Some closing comments…. re: last saturday….

If CALVIN and CJ are wearing Red and White unis … next season… this will be because of last Saturday’s performance…

IMO… CALVIN/CJ ain’t the only one stirring up the locker room…

Hopefully…. the air in there gets cleared out this week..
BECAUSE NOW is the time for this team to come TOGETHER.

If Tyler Lewis and I don’t play substantial minutes in all but few remaining games then I’m interested in where Lutz will be head coaching next year.

Benched at W-S, his hometown, during our most humiliating lose to date. Benched at UNC, the he grew up rooting for and would have been a force in the second half when Zo just looked (and admitted after the game) tired.

Gottfried deserves as much blame as anyone. He was slow to take C.J. out in the first half and too quick to reinsert him in the lineup in the 2nd half. State made its run early in the 2nd half without C.J., and to be honest, it just wasn’t C.J.’s day. Also, Gottfried failed to rest Brown at all Saturday and that is all on him.

Everybody wants Leslie to score yet give him a hard time when he doesn’t pass out of a double team. Other teams are double teaming Leslie, playing honest defense on our under sized center Howell who has yet to learn not to dribble the ball under the basket before shooting, stick a man on Wood, and make Purvis, Brown, Warren, or Lewis beat you. Problem is the freshman have not shown up for road games and Purvis does not play defense. If Wood and Howell are covered who does Leslie pass the ball to the score from the outside when the defense collapses? When we find that answer and some defense, we can beat anyone.

“PLUMLEE HAS HAD SOME PRETTY DISMAL GAMES AS WELL AS Mcadoo, but their fan base doesnâ€™t smear their confidence as if they could strap on a pair Chuck Taylorâ€™s and school him on the courtâ€¦ ”

Duke’s won almost every ACC title in the past 15 years.

UNC and Duke both have national titles in the past 10 years. Both have multiple national titles, since 2000.

With that kind of success and the consistent performance of those programs that seem to be able keep up that level of performance on a regular basis, there’s no reason for either fan base to get bitchy during one “down” year.

This was supposed to be our year to be THAT team, per the preseason predictions.

I’m not going to jump on the “we’ve totally underachieved” bandwagon, because I think the pundits didn’t estimate how much our lack of depth would hurt us. I think it was assumed we’d be able to get something out of TDT and/or Vandenberg to fill the void left by Painter’s departure.

To me, we’re in good shape as a program and heading in the right direction. We’re just not ready to make the leap to a perennial powerhouse yet.

Anyway, getting back to the point about Duke/UNC fans versus NCSU fans. We have a lot more reason to be frustrated and we’re venting that frustration. Whether venting is the right or wrong thing to do is debatable, but it’s been soooooooo long, since we really, really mattered and this was supposed to be the year we finally mattered again, frustration is understandable compared to the other two schools.