How can we duplicate that to USB for us that have no CD nor DVD player such as on Netbook Acer D250 10" sized mini laptops?

Why can not a usb be made safe that way? Or a frugal on the hdd install?

Well you can't really as the media is rw (though I guess with some clever code it could be done as rw ). However, if you can boot from an SD card they have the little switch on the side to make them read only (aka ro) . I read somewhere on the forum that this works as far as booting puppy and running in RAM, though this was awhile ago. I'm feeling a bit lazy so sorry no link!

Yes and some more expensive USB Flash maybe have a switch on the side that make it to ro read only too?

But as with Linux in general one need permissisons to do things.

Could one not tell Puppy to boot on the USB and then say that only puppy script are allow to write changes to it and not any program that start. So that one keep the ability save important changes like installing a pet but not save programs that are not puppy. Maleware and virus programs is recognized as not being downloaded using the built in internal scripts like a PPM or such? Thus none such bad code would be saved to teh USB?

I guess when one know too little one naively think it is easy when in practice there is no structure allowing it to be easily set up?

Thanks for sharing thoughts on it.

Haha we have to tell the USB makers that we want an USB that behave like the CD/DVD media _________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

Where do they tell about that? The text says they boot with floppy. I have no floppy to boot with. I don't even have CD/DVD so how do I use this
"switchable boot media. " thing.

What exactly are you referring to?

From a review very lately.

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For those who haven't run Slackware previously, it's something of a minimalist affair. You begin by booting from the CD or DVD, and are dropped into a root prompt. From there, if you need to format your disk you can choose between fdisk or the slightly more user-friendly cfdisk to partition your disk. Then you can run the Slackware setup utility, which walks through the installation of package sets.

don't they tell how do do frugal install?_________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

many os use grub 2 not just ubuntu this is only a guide you may need to change thing if using a separate brub2 /boot partition or another os with grub2

I wanted to create a custom grub loader with all the puppy boot options in it. i do it this way so that the main grub2 boot screen is not 1000s of lines long as each puppy needs its own entries this makes it easier and less colcated doing things this way.

cthisbear if you do puppy pfix=ram then the software should be able to ask where you want to save.

if it fail to mount the HDD and present it as somewhere to save to then it is formatted with a specification that it does not recognize?_________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

I was able to get Sylpheed too cowboy. That minute and a half has got to be a good clue for someone on the sound. Firewallstate comes up slowly--it could be blocking. delayedrun could take a while to finish--those are just wild guesses. We probably couldn't change anything now though unless it was a slam dunk (famous last words Is your 521RC a fresh install?

Yes sir, fresh install from Live CD to savefile on USB stick. ext3 savefile format, usb stick formatted vfat. Don't think I'd fool with it now - sound does work for most people, even if it takes a bit of fiddling, or a bit of waiting. The clues might be useful, as you say, down the road. Thank you._________________"you fix what you can fix and you let the rest go.." - Cormac McCarthy - No Country For Old Men.

The referenced Slackware "release" is really the release of the day. In other words, an April 1 release .
My part of the joke was only creating the "Last day's hitlist" picture. Sorry if I misled anybody

At least one of us got totally fooled. I will not tell you whom though. Too embarrassing. I am a slacker but not so much into slackware_________________I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
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The firewall needs to be up by default before the first network transaction is allowed. (Originally, that would be me, RandSec.)

Not quite. Only if your machine(s) has/have already been cloned.

Those old network attacks were not simply a response to user error, but were actually able to reach in from the net and exploit issues that would otherwise have been hidden. At one time, the Microsoft Windows worms were a vast plague, which stopped dead with the release of XP SP2, where the firewall was enabled by default. Before that, the firewall had been available, just not enabled, and that made the difference.

The old tricks are being recycled all the time. And if somebody takes a particular dislike to Linux or Puppy for some reason, we could have problems. With modern malware techniques, it may be difficult for us to even see those problems. We depend upon the OS to report processes, files, and data content, but when malware runs it owns the OS, and lies to the user. (Malware LIES, imagine that! Now imagine it owning the OS.) Nowadays, in Microsoft Windows, it may not be possible to even see the malware files, or to see changes in those files, from within the owned machine. We want to avoid those games.

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That is only likely if you've already done something stupid, eg like opening obviously bent emails from people you've never heard of, trying to buy V-i-a-g-r-a online (just when will the Yankies learn to institute a proper NHS service?!)or visiting porn sites (your wife knows about this?!). There are those around who are dumb enough to dual boot with other OS es.

Getting the user to open or even run a Trojan attachment is the way it used to be, and certainly is a continuing issue. On Windows, much of the recent problem has been .PDF attachment Trojans, but the attack of the day changes as any particular technique becomes ineffective. Recently, hundreds of thousands of otherwise ordinary web sites were subverted to take browsers to malware pages. Usually, the Firefox add-on NoScript offers good protection for this, but the OS is not much involved in that fight. One possible exception might be a recent trend toward exploiting Java, which is cross-platform and thus a significant risk even for Linux.

One of the larger lessons from malware in Microsoft Windows is that once infected, the OS needs to be re-installed. On a hard-drive system, infection changes boot and run-up data to restart the malware each time. So far, so good, since we might re-install just that. But when malware runs it contacts a botmaster who can do anything at all in the machine. Since it is not possible to know what the botmaster has changed, recovery in place simply cannot be guaranteed, and our old friend the OS is not what we knew before and cannot be trusted in any way. Thus, the motive for DVD booting, which essentially does re-install the OS on every session. But with modern malware we may not even know when we have been infected.

Anti-virus scanning for particular malware files is no longer effective for a range of reasons, but for one thing, modern malware can "encrypt" the infection files. Even if the infection-dropper is found, scanning will not be finding the real malware. When malware leaves something around for scanning to find, it has made a mistake. So, if we find anything at all, we need to re-install the OS. The real problem is that when done properly, we really do not have tools to show that a malware infection exists.

As an alternative to scanning, we can imagine checking each and every OS file for existence and correctness, necessarily from a different OS instance (since this one may have been subverted). By booting from CD, an appropriate program could check that every required OS file exists on the target drive, and that it produces the correct hash value. That would be just a first step, of course.

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How many times? Buy a pair of caddies. HDs are cheap. One per user. If the other person screws up on their HD that's their problem. But, with Puppy, even that expedient is overkill - use one machine per person. People dispose of machines perfectly able to run Puppy. You don't need multi-cores, etc, etc. That's what this is all about. If you want bells, whistles and go-faster stripes you deserve all you get.
And stop bugging our clever developers to make this compact distro run the latest and greatest gadgets that don't even run on the supplied driver for you-know-who's OS.

I recommend each user have their own boot DVD+RW. That still does not get me out of maintaining each one in the house, and configuring for the wife.

Actually, it might be a REALLY GOOD IDEA to make some sort of translation interface that would allow drivers for Windows to be loaded and used efficiently in Puppy.Last edited by RandSec on Fri 01 Apr 2011, 14:01; edited 1 time in total

It's only happening on this Dell 700m; Luci-Lupu wifi are stable on
the PowerSpec pc.

et seq.

Not a new boy around here rj, so why are you still wasting your dosh on dodgy proprietary cr*p?! You know that Dellboy and his cohorts get up to all sorts of leverage trickery with their boxes to save a few cents and garner favour with the Beast of Redmond. Not enough proverbial six-year olds in your neighbourhood to build proper kit from eg NewEgg or Anand?

If you're stuck with junk HW, esp. if there are BIOS issues, you can try searching for the actual Chinese manufacturer of the board and flash to the generic BIOS. Works for me when I'm gifted with defective proprietary stuff.

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What we need is a quick sanity check. There are so few changes, just make sure it does the obvious, boots, installs, runs. Who's awake and online? Maybe we can have a release when the Aussies wake up!!!

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