Challenging some of Ekult's absolute truths

Hello Prometheus and everyone, I ve been enjoying your posts and wanted to join in, if you don t mind. As an ex-member turned observer of klemp and ekult, I

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, Mar 9 4:53 PM

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Hello Prometheus and everyone,

I've been enjoying your posts and wanted to join in, if you don't mind.

As an ex-member turned observer of klemp and ekult, I would like to
challenge some of ekult's absolute truths.

1) The concept that twitch/gross/klemp each, in turn, serve as the
physical manifestation of God.

ME: Why would the source of ALL that exists in all planes of existence
both known and unknown to us HAVE to manifest in the physical?
Especially in such dubious vessels and by such dubious methods? Twitch
through plagiarism - gross's appointment by twitch's widow - klemp by
a Machiavellian take over.

2) The concept that we are all trapped by karma and reincarnation and
bound to this physical plane until we join ekult and have the lem's
protection. The lem's claim that he can take on our karma and
intervene in our lives. The claim that we can "burn off" karma by
monthly initiate reports, Friday fasts and of course, by those
initiation levels.

ME: Doesn't this make a joke of the whole concept of karma? Karma, to
me, isn't about punishment, BUT is more about lessons in life. If we
learn the lesson, we move on, if not we repeat it until we do. What if
reincarnation is optional? We have a beautiful world to live in, aside
from the problems we create, BUT, let's face it, our world is only a
dust speck in the whole of existence. Surely there are other places
and opportunities for continued growth!

3) Ekult is the path of unconditional love, uplifting spiritual growth
and the most direct path to God.

ME: How can you find any sort of love in these teachings? They are
manipulative and used to implant fear and dependency. How can one grow
emotionally, mentally and especially spiritually by being fearful and
dependent?

Thanks for listening and good night.

Kaye

prometheus_973

Welcome to the group Kaye! I enjoy reading your comments. I was wondering how you see the Four Zoas of Eckankar? Recently, in the 03/2006 H.I. Letter, a H.I.

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, Mar 10 10:42 AM

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Welcome to the group Kaye! I enjoy reading your comments.

I was wondering how you see the Four Zoas of Eckankar? Recently, in
the 03/2006 H.I. Letter, a H.I. commented that he no longer saw them
as, "a list of 'thou shalt nots' similar to the Ten Commandments,"
BUT sees "the Zoas" as "a flight manual, so to speak."

In the same article there is a quote by Klemp from the Golden Heart
chapter 11: "We are responsible for all the ripples created in
others by our anger, as well as the ripples they in turn pass along
to the next group. The higher you go as an initiate in ECK, the
greater your responsibility becomes. The Law of Love becomes very
exacting."

Klemp's nasty and unloving comments in the 09/2003 H.I. Letter
toward the Third Temporary Postal Clerk, that Joan had the run-in
with regarding the Law of Economy, tends to negate his comments in
the above quote! Therefore, Klemp Not Only created ripples (Karma)
through his own anger, but also demonstrated that he lacks higher
consciousness by Not following the "Law of Love!" This is direct
proof that the Eck Initiations are a sham! Or, is it that Klemp just
can't admit that he falls to the lower Astral from time-to-time
(daily)! In any case, Eckists need to rethink and compare what is
said over there (09/2003 H.I. Letter) with what is said over here
(03/2006 H.I. Letter) by Klemp. He talks out of both sides of his
mouth just as one would expect from the KAL!

Prometheus

eyesopen wrote:

Hello Prometheus and everyone,

I've been enjoying your posts and wanted to join in, if you don't
mind.

As an ex-member turned observer of klemp and ekult, I would like to
challenge some of ekult's absolute truths.

1) The concept that twitch/gross/klemp each, in turn, serve as the
physical manifestation of God.

ME: Why would the source of ALL that exists in all planes of
existence both known and unknown to us HAVE to manifest in the
physical? Especially in such dubious vessels and by such dubious
methods? Twitch through plagiarism - gross's appointment by twitch's
widow - klemp by a Machiavellian take over.

2) The concept that we are all trapped by karma and reincarnation and
bound to this physical plane until we join ekult and have the lem's
protection. The lem's claim that he can take on our karma and
intervene in our lives. The claim that we can "burn off" karma by
monthly initiate reports, Friday fasts and of course, by those
initiation levels.

ME: Doesn't this make a joke of the whole concept of karma? Karma, to
me, isn't about punishment, BUT is more about lessons in life. If we
learn the lesson, we move on, if not we repeat it until we do. What
if reincarnation is optional? We have a beautiful world to live in,
aside from the problems we create, BUT, let's face it, our world is
only a dust speck in the whole of existence. Surely there are other
places and opportunities for continued growth!

3) Ekult is the path of unconditional love, uplifting spiritual
growth and the most direct path to God.

ME: How can you find any sort of love in these teachings? They are
manipulative and used to implant fear and dependency. How can one
grow emotionally, mentally and especially spiritually by being
fearful and dependent?

Thanks for listening and good night.

Kaye

ctecvie

Hi Kaye, welcome! Good that you joined us here - I enjoyed your posts on ET very much. ... I remember an ex-eckist saying that, looking at the vessels in

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, Mar 10 10:49 AM

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Hi Kaye,

welcome! Good that you joined us here - I enjoyed your posts on ET
very much.

>
> Hello Prometheus and everyone,
>
> I've been enjoying your posts and wanted to join in, if you don't
>mind.
>
> As an ex-member turned observer of klemp and ekult, I would like to
> challenge some of ekult's absolute truths.
>
> 1) The concept that twitch/gross/klemp each, in turn, serve as the
> physical manifestation of God.
>
> ME: Why would the source of ALL that exists in all planes of
>existence
> both known and unknown to us HAVE to manifest in the physical?
> Especially in such dubious vessels and by such dubious methods?
>Twitch
> through plagiarism - gross's appointment by twitch's widow - klemp
>by
> a Machiavellian take over.

I remember an ex-eckist saying that, looking at the vessels in
question, he rather quit Eckankar than have anything to do with them
any further! LOL!

>
> 2) The concept that we are all trapped by karma and reincarnation
>and
> bound to this physical plane until we join ekult and have the lem's
> protection. The lem's claim that he can take on our karma and
> intervene in our lives. The claim that we can "burn off" karma by
> monthly initiate reports, Friday fasts and of course, by those
> initiation levels.

This is necessary in order to keep the chelas trapped! The burning
off of karma is something you have to believe in - you can't prove
it as long as you are alive! I think this is ridiculous to burn off
karma by fasting on Friday!

>
> ME: Doesn't this make a joke of the whole concept of karma? Karma,
>to
> me, isn't about punishment, BUT is more about lessons in life. If
>we
> learn the lesson, we move on, if not we repeat it until we do.

Ah - you have recognized the importance of the "BUT"! LOL! For me,
karma is just cause and effect. Anything we do has an effect, and
it's absolutely neutral. It's like going to work - you work and get
paid - cause and effect = karma. :-))

>What if
> reincarnation is optional? We have a beautiful world to live in,
>aside
> from the problems we create, BUT, let's face it, our world is only
>a
> dust speck in the whole of existence. Surely there are other places
> and opportunities for continued growth!

We do have a beautiful world to live in - and eckists, so much like
any followers of any other religion, just want to leave it behind. I
never could understand that while still in Eckankar. OK, I
understand it if life is hard for somebody. I always found life here
great, and still do!

>
> 3) Ekult is the path of unconditional love, uplifting spiritual
>growth
> and the most direct path to God.
>
> ME: How can you find any sort of love in these teachings? They are
> manipulative and used to implant fear and dependency. How can one
>grow
> emotionally, mentally and especially spiritually by being fearful
>and
> dependent?

You can't grow emotionally in Eckankar! It's impossible because all
you have to do is to get rid of your emotions. Remember the middle
path! LOL!

>
> Thanks for listening and good night.

Thanks for posting ... :-)
Ingrid

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