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Originally posted by BadSpockAnd ummmm I thought stress tests were only open for pre-purchasers? Not pre-orders? They put pre-purchase in BOLD on their FB announcement for Friday stress test so...Is this OP 100% lie?

I have played 2 BWEs and several stress tests and I do feel the same as the points the OP made. His points are too detailed for him to have no experience at all so you really should stop being silly about rather forming conspiracy theories than admitting that there are people that don't like your game which you fanatically refuse to accept any criticism of.

They are so detailed he said he played in the stress test with a pre-order.

On the other hand his points are pretty much the same points being made for months.

The sad part is that you can listen to the voice in several youtube videos.

People are free to not like a game. That doesn't mean the other people are deciding to bury their heads and overlook crazy problems to claim they like the game.

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I dont know, they already grabbed my money, but i sincerily doubt they will manage to grab my interest as well.

Damn i got fooled by the hype again.

If you really feel that way, you can contact them and get a full refund of your money.

As i sad, i am still on the fence, i will try some pvp tonight and hope that part will justify the price.

What is really starting to irk me more then the shortcomings of the game itself (no, no game is perfect and every mmo can be improved in many ways), is the bizzare fanaticism of the true believers here who will tear you down to shreds even if you just consider posting something that doesnt fit their OMG BEST GAME EVAH mind set :(

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Originally posted by Saydien

[mod edit] The OP made valid points that even if you out of your almost religious fanatism can't deny because it is HIS opinion. One hour of gameplay might not be much but it is enough to get a decent first impression.

To the OP: I feel the same way about almost everything you wrote. A nicely written summary.

You haven't played the game either, so you seem to be just agreeing with unfounded criticism you have read elsewhere. I know there is a tendency for people to believe something if they've heard it a few times before, but when people just recylce BS, it doesn't become something other than BS due to repetition.

The game isn't perfect, so it isn't as if no one can say anything critical of the game with any sense of validity. However, people who have played the game extensively can sniff out BS pretty easily. Sadly, it's a pretty common occurance on gaming forums for people to decide they don't like a game, with out a basis in personal experience, then regurgitate ill informed hearsay, with the embelishment that it's based on "personal experience" that they don't actually have. Because they haven't played the game, but have assumed that criticism they have read elsewhere, which has reinforced their own pre-judgement of the game, must be accurate, they will readily make statements that give away to anyone who has played the game that the poster, in reality, has not.

I think it's silly to arrive at opinions based on the opinions of others, with out any actual knowledge as to the accuracy of what someone else has said. I think it's even more silly to try to give one's heresay opinions false bona fides.

The reason people who know BS is BS when they read it bristle, is because they know that when BS is left unchallenged, someone will accept the BS as reality and spread the BS as fact. Just the act of someone regurgitating inaccuracies in the guise of informed opinion becomes proof of that phenomena.

Sometimes fans can put blinders on about flaws with a game, just as critics can sometimes take a criticism with some actual foundation and then exagerate it to the point that the criticism is no longer valid. However, sometimes critics introduce BS to support their criticism and people who know better should not be fauilted for pointing out the problems with the criticism.

I find that if there is something worth criticizing about this game or any other, I will aknowledge it. I may put it into context or offer reasons why, in my experience, the issue in question isn't really that big a deal. Other times, I might completely agree with the criticism and offer my thoughts on how the issue in question could be adressed by the developers. We aren't all blind to valid criticism, but that doesn't mean that we can't get our backs up over criticism that is unfair, uninformed or unfounded!

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let me see... comparing first hour of WoW to first hour of GW2

I would choose GW2 according to that.

But really? Making final assumption about MMO based on one hour? Will you allow that couple of features make or break a game for you. Then im sorry that you got dissapointed. You may or may not miss a lot.

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Originally posted by Amatal

As i sad, i am still on the fence, i will try some pvp tonight and hope that part will justify the price.

What is really starting to irk me more then the shortcomings of the game itself (no, no game is perfect and every mmo can be improved in many ways), is the bizzare fanaticism of the true believers here who will tear you down to shreds even if you just consider posting something that doesnt fit their OMG BEST GAME EVAH mind set :(

It is not fanatism, if you read carefully every positive opinion, we're not closed to constructive criticism. It's just that it's too late now, the game has been pre-purchased for most, we have nearly all played the BWEs, so we all have a strong opinion about that game. So in short : some people creating negative topics is plainly useless, and most of all boring.

We don't need 218912892 topics about the cash shop, or the no trinity, or the gear things, etc. There has been tons of them created already, and we have already read the same arguments over and over again about every goddamn point made by critical minds. We are already AWARE about GW2's downsides, thank you. And therefore, we don't need some people to remind them constantly with new topic flooding.

That's why they're being bashed systematically. Because at this point, each new guy blindly hitting the "Create topic to repeat the same rant over and over" just feels like some freshman who didn't care to inform himself about that community, and what has already been discussed tons of times, all while yelling "Hey guys I'm important listen to me !!!".

Basically just some forum noise.

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Originally posted by Saydien

[mod edit] The OP made valid points that even if you out of your almost religious fanatism can't deny because it is HIS opinion. One hour of gameplay might not be much but it is enough to get a decent first impression.

To the OP: I feel the same way about almost everything you wrote. A nicely written summary.

Yes he made valid points for someone who played for 1 hour. If I'd post my first hour experience from WoW back in TBC when I started I'd say that it was a hideously ugly game with confusing controls, but when you play it a bit longer you see that it's a really good game.

It's not fanatism to point out that the OP is biased against the game before he tried it, or that his points are mostly invalid due to the short time he played it. What you're doing is playing on the we vs. them mentality that affects the MMO community by using stupid hyperbole like fanatism and fanboys.

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The first hour of Everquest I spend stuck in a tunnel from Surefall Galde that lead to Qeymos Hills completely blind as a human and wondering what to do while desperately trying to get out. I finally found the candle. If I had given up after an hour I would have missed the best MMO I ever played.

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Originally posted by Denambren

11) World events are as boring and meaningless as in Rift - NPCs shout pointless information (made worse by the insufferable voice acting), and occasionally players will be around, killing stuff in the middle of the chaos. If you like, you can join the chaos and whack the closest tab-target, or just walk past this epic rerun script and move on to some other area.

I tend to agree. DE's will get boring after awhile - People will just do the big boss DE's and all the others will be ghost area's one month after launch.

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Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter Ah and he pre-ordered. Pre-orders get no access to stress tests.There was no beta keys given that are valid for stress tests.But whatever.

i got a key for beta 3 and been to every stress test, and will be going to tomorrows.

Hmmm...

Maybe you were lucky.

what? 2 stress tests in a row?

Yes. Stress test yesterday was EU prime time. Stress test today is US prime time. No region restrictions, we can all play in both. It wouldn't surprise me if we have more before release. BWE3 was the last full weekend event, more than a month before launch. Many MMOs have beta weekends the entire last month before launch. It's good that they are doing stress tests to iron out potential server/connectivity issues before launch and to test the graphics optimizations.

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I hope after the game is out, if its good or bad, that you all look back on the comments you made in these threads and just feel ashamed. I have never seen a video game completely break people down like this one has. GW2 has made this community go insane. I cant believe that any of you are actually thinking about what you are typing. Everyone of you is acting like the worst bottom feeding trolls, but you arent trolling and thats what is really scary to me.

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Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter Ah and he pre-ordered. Pre-orders get no access to stress tests.There was no beta keys given that are valid for stress tests.But whatever.

i got a key for beta 3 and been to every stress test, and will be going to tomorrows.

Hmmm...Maybe you were lucky.

what? 2 stress tests in a row?

Yes. Stress test yesterday was EU prime time. Stress test today is US prime time. No region restrictions, we can all play in both. It wouldn't surprise me if we have more before release. BWE3 was the last full weekend event, more than a month before launch. Many MMOs have beta weekends the entire last month before launch. It's good that they are doing stress tests to iron out potential server/connectivity issues before launch and to test the graphics optimizations.

read the context of the post...ive been to every stress test to date with a single key...(not pre order or purchase)