I'm fed up with the European Union and all thier faceless BS.

It's worth adding that I think a lot of that is driven by London-centric views. I would say that London probably is notably more tolerant than most places.

If you're a successful business person looking to work in the UK, you're not going to end up in some UKIP/BNP council ward, you'll be in the posh areas of London, living it up in a bubble of multi-cultural tolerance / commercial success.

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We often have African customers over for training in the UK and when they see our infrastructure such as roads and pavements, they generally comment along the lines that they wished the British had never left..

Those who make the most fuss about equality, freedom of speech and general niceness are always those who are the worst at it. they refuse to accept anyone else's point of view and shout down those who might dare to disagree.

Who am I talking about? those with left wing tendencies and the Euro fans. Every single politician, of every single colour and persuasion, whether left, right, or (supposed) centrist

I have yet to see of any EU ruling that's improved my life. there may be some but they are not evident and thus not worthy of consideration.

What? So someone can make your life better, but if you aren't overtly aware of it it's worthless? That's total rubbish!

those with left wing tendencies and the Euro fans. I know that its part of the belief to suppress freedom of thought, action and speech

Totally wrong, and a totally ridiculous thing to say. You simply do not understand this at all.

they refuse to accept anyone else's point of view and shout down those who might dare to disagree.

Seriously? I disagree with you, and I'm saying so. You can't blame me for trying to explain myself, exactly as you are doing.

Let's just clear something up, shall we? The EU is NOT ABOUT MAKING US ALL THE SAME. Certain laws need to be harmonised to help commerce and trade - so that you can sell a product across the EU for instance and not be limited to certain countries - but that's nothing like forcing cultural homogeneity.

Pubs have been having open fires for probably thousands of years. Doubt they caused global warming when the average Celtic warrior huddled around a fire I his mud pub!

Very very daft post. For a start, the clean air act is nothing to do with global warming, never has been. Wood smoke from an open fire is carbon neutral, but full of loads of particles and nasty gases and checmicals, and that results in poor air quality. Mr Celt didn't have a chimney in his hut so the air in there was pretty crap. But then he proably died at 50, possibly from respiratory problems which are quite widespread in cultures that spend a lot of time around open fires afaik.

You might want to learn a bit more about the issues before you start weighing in on debates, save yourself looking ridiculous!

It's worth adding that I think a lot of that is driven by London-centric views. I would say that London probably is notably more tolerant than most places.

Aye ever time I go down to London from the North I am struck by just how friendly and approachable they are - good point well made!

have yet to see of any EU ruling that's improved my life. there may be some but they are not evident and thus not worthy of consideration.

Human rights act , working time directive?

Nationalism isn't petty its correct. Have you noticed that we are all for other countries being independent but not us.

What are you on about here? its seems the anti EU lot are pro the Union they dominate and anti the one they are a partner in and yet you think its others who are they hypocrites.

Also something that amuses me as I am easily amused by pure stupidity.

what shame you miss most of it then

Those who make the most fuss about equality, freedom of speech and general niceness are always those who are the worst at it. they refuse to accept anyone else's point of view and shout down those who might dare to disagree.

Nice straw man - i think disagreeing with someone is not stopping them having an opinion- are you shouting them down or am I shouting you down when I disagree? NO

Who am I talking about? those with left wing tendencies and the Euro fans. I know that its part of the belief to suppress freedom of thought, action and speech but its wildly funny how they express the very opposite

That is just BS they only think the left "attack" is intolerance
Its not like the right are great and tolerant about immigration, the EU, benefits, Unions, etc

your right clubber poor matscm is being persecuted, if only there was some sort of international Treaty or Charter specifying a persons rights as an individual and have the ability to take his oppressors to court and have them punished.......

Suppressing freedom of thought/speech would mean having posts removed from the forum. That isn't happening. Your anti-EU argument is no more 'suppressing free speech' than other peoples' pro-EU argument. They're just arguing back/debating.

A contrary viewpoint isn't an attack on your freedom of speech. Unless you believe that freedom of speech means the right to say what you want and not have anyone challenge it in a (mostly) polite and reasonable manner.

Human Rights Act is UK primary legislation that incorporates the European Convention of Human Rights into domestic law, to the extent that the convenient isn't incompatible with other UK primary legislation. ECHR isn't EU legislation and isn't an EU ruling.