Lytro = junkpile

Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
days and shelve.

The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
buyer as well.

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 05:23:39 -0800 (PST), RichA <> wrote:
: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
:
: Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
: camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
: lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
: interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
: it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
: days and shelve.
:
: The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
: They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
: distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
: in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
: buyer as well.

Everyone has a niche to fill. Philo Kassner has published a well received book
about the denizens of a Milwaukee watering hole, and now some are suggesting
that he branch out and become a photographer of saloons in other cities.

You, OTOH, have a knack for writing reviews of cameras you've never seen.
Maybe you could parley that into a profitable sideline, just like Philo.
People might buy your books, just to see how close you ever come to the truth.

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On Mar 1, 12:43 pm, Robert Coe <> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 05:23:39 -0800 (PST), RichA <> wrote:
>
> :http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
> :
> : Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
> : camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
> : lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
> : interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
> : it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
> : days and shelve.
> :
> : The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
> : They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
> : distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
> : in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
> : buyer as well.
>
> Everyone has a niche to fill. Philo Kassner has published a well receivedbook
> about the denizens of a Milwaukee watering hole, and now some are suggesting
> that he branch out and become a photographer of saloons in other cities.
>
> You, OTOH, have a knack for writing reviews of cameras you've never seen.
> Maybe you could parley that into a profitable sideline, just like Philo.
> People might buy your books, just to see how close you ever come to the truth.
>
> Bob

On Mar 1, 1:45 pm, Alan Browne <>
wrote:
> On 2012-03-01 08:23 , RichA wrote:
>
> >http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
>
> > Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
>
> <blah-blah snipped>.
>
> For every company and individual who puts their time and capital on the
> line to test a new idea and approach there are thousands of jerkoffs
> like RichA shitting steaming piles of worthless opinion.
>

On 03/01/2012 11:43 AM, Robert Coe wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 05:23:39 -0800 (PST), RichA<> wrote:
> : http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
> :
> : Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
> : camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
> : lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
> : interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
> : it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
> : days and shelve.
> :
> : The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
> : They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
> : distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
> : in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
> : buyer as well.
>
> Everyone has a niche to fill. Philo Kassner has published a well received book
> about the denizens of a Milwaukee watering hole, and now some are suggesting
> that he branch out and become a photographer of saloons in other cities.
>
> You, OTOH, have a knack for writing reviews of cameras you've never seen.
> Maybe you could parley that into a profitable sideline, just like Philo.
> People might buy your books, just to see how close you ever come to the truth.
>
> Bob

When I get it I will post here and let everyone know it's limits and
it's capabilities.

On 2012.03.01 13:45, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2012-03-01 08:23 , RichA wrote:
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
>>
>> Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
>
> <blah-blah snipped>.
>
> For every company and individual who puts their time and capital on the
> line to test a new idea and approach there are thousands of jerkoffs
> like RichA shitting steaming piles of worthless opinion.
>
> Thankfully there are pools of capital willing to take risks on inventors
> with more intelligence per cubic mm of brainmass than RichA's entire
> lineage back over 1000 generations.
>
> [ The company was founded in 2006 by CEO Dr. Ren Ng, whose research
> in light field photography won best PhD dissertation in computer
> science at Stanford in 2006 as well as the internationally
> recognized ACM award. ]
>
> [ Lytro has raised approximately $50 million to date from Andreessen
> Horowitz, Greylock Partners, NEA, and K9 Ventures along with
> individual investors. Greylock Partners seeded Lytro and Andreessen
> Horowitz led the most recent Series C round, which raised $37.6
> million for Lytro’s push into consumer markets this year. NEA lead
> the Series B round in 2010. ]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:11:57 -0800 (PST), RichA <> wrote:
: On Mar 1, 12:43 pm, Robert Coe <> wrote:
: > On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 05:23:39 -0800 (PST), RichA <> wrote:
: >
: > :http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
: > :
: > : Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
: > : camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
: > : lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
: > : interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
: > : it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
: > : days and shelve.
: > :
: > : The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
: > : They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
: > : distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
: > : in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
: > : buyer as well.
: >
: > Everyone has a niche to fill. Philo Kassner has published a well received
: > book about the denizens of a Milwaukee watering hole, and now some are
: > suggesting that he branch out and become a photographer of saloons in
: > other cities.
: >
: > You, OTOH, have a knack for writing reviews of cameras you've never seen.
: > Maybe you could parley that into a profitable sideline, just like Philo.
: > People might buy your books, just to see how close you ever come to the
: > truth.
:
: Yawn. Like you have to see that toy to judge it?

I would agree with you that the Lytro is no threat to existing photographic
technology. But if the camera does what its manufacturers say it will do,
someone will find a sensible, maybe even profitable, use for it. I guess it
won't be you.

On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 05:23:39 -0800 (PST), RichA <> wrote:
: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
:
: Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
: camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
: lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
: interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
: it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
: days and shelve.
:
: The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
: They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
: distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
: in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
: buyer as well.

Fundamentally, the Lytro is a device that exaggerates the effect of light
arriving at its sensor from oblique angles. Used in conjunction with a laser
light source, it might aid in detecting flexing, and therefore potential
failure, in metal structures like airplanes, storage tanks, etc. It's just a
thought. I'm not a structural engineer and know almost nothing about the
subject.

Robert Coe <> wrote:
>On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 05:23:39 -0800 (PST), RichA <> wrote:
>: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
>:
>: Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
>: camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
>: lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
>: interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
>: it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
>: days and shelve.
>:
>: The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
>: They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
>: distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
>: in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
>: buyer as well.
>
>Fundamentally, the Lytro is a device that exaggerates the effect of light
>arriving at its sensor from oblique angles. Used in conjunction with a laser
>light source, it might aid in detecting flexing, and therefore potential
>failure, in metal structures like airplanes, storage tanks, etc. It's just a
>thought. I'm not a structural engineer and know almost nothing about the
>subject.

RichA <> wrote:
>On Mar 1, 1:45 pm, Alan Browne <>
>wrote:
>> On 2012-03-01 08:23 , RichA wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
>>
>> > Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
>>
>> <blah-blah snipped>.
>>
>> For every company and individual who puts their time and capital on the
>> line to test a new idea and approach there are thousands of jerkoffs
>> like RichA shitting steaming piles of worthless opinion.
>
>Seems like I remember a line about one being born every minute...

Rich is just a bitter right-wing bigot who hates everyone.

--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. | Goethe

On Mar 1, 3:21 pm, Alan Browne <>
wrote:
> On 2012-03-01 15:12 , RichA wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 1, 1:45 pm, Alan Browne<>
> > wrote:
> >> On 2012-03-01 08:23 , RichA wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
>
> >>> Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
>
> >> <blah-blah snipped>.
>
> >> For every company and individual who puts their time and capital on the
> >> line to test a new idea and approach there are thousands of jerkoffs
> >> like RichA shitting steaming piles of worthless opinion.
>
> > Seems like I remember a line about one being born every minute...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreessen_Horowitz
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylock_Partners
>
> We should hope so. Unfortunately it is only boobs like yourself that
> are born in great abundance.

On Mar 1, 4:20 pm, Eric Stevens <> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 05:23:39 -0800 (PST), RichA <>
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
>
> >Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
> >camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
> >lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
> >interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
> >it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
> >days and shelve.
>
> >The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
> >They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
> >distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
> >in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
> >buyer as well.
>
> If you think the Bushnell 'Permafocus' binocular is a valid comparison
> with what the Lytro does then you clearly don't understand the Lytro.
>
> Do you remember those awful 1.2~1.5 Mp cameras? Are you aware of what
> they have grown into? Just think what the Lytro might grow into over
> the same period of time.
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric Stevens

The writers were correct to point out that the average small-sensor
P&S achieves basically the same deep DOF results with FAR better image
quality.

On Mar 1, 7:29 pm, Bruce <> wrote:
> Robert Coe <> wrote:
> >On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 05:23:39 -0800 (PST), RichA <> wrote:
> >:http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
> >:
> >: Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
> >: camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
> >: lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
> >: interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
> >: it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
> >: days and shelve.
> >:
> >: The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
> >: They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
> >: distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
> >: in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
> >: buyer as well.
>
> >Fundamentally, the Lytro is a device that exaggerates the effect of light
> >arriving at its sensor from oblique angles. Used in conjunction with a laser
> >light source, it might aid in detecting flexing, and therefore potential
> >failure, in metal structures like airplanes, storage tanks, etc. It's just a
> >thought. I'm not a structural engineer and know almost nothing about the
> >subject.
>
> You should write to Lytro with that suggestion, Bob.

On Mar 2, 2:37 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> RichA <> wrote:
> >On Mar 1, 1:45 pm, Alan Browne <>
> >wrote:
> >> On 2012-03-01 08:23 , RichA wrote:
>
> >> >http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
>
> >> > Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
>
> >> <blah-blah snipped>.
>
> >> For every company and individual who puts their time and capital on the
> >> line to test a new idea and approach there are thousands of jerkoffs
> >> like RichA shitting steaming piles of worthless opinion.
>
> >Seems like I remember a line about one being born every minute...
>
> Rich is just a bitter right-wing bigot who hates everyone.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
> | Goethe

RichA <> wrote:
>On Mar 2, 2:37 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>> RichA <> wrote:
>> >On Mar 1, 1:45 pm, Alan Browne <>
>> >wrote:
>> >> On 2012-03-01 08:23 , RichA wrote:
>>
>> >> >http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
>>
>> >> > Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
>>
>> >> <blah-blah snipped>.
>>
>> >> For every company and individual who puts their time and capital on the
>> >> line to test a new idea and approach there are thousands of jerkoffs
>> >> like RichA shitting steaming piles of worthless opinion.
>>
>> >Seems like I remember a line about one being born every minute...
>>
>> Rich is just a bitter right-wing bigot who hates everyone.
>
>Liberal pansy.

Genocidal fascist.

--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. | Goethe

On 3/2/2012 4:34 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2012-03-02 08:30 , RichA wrote:
>> On Mar 1, 4:20 pm, Eric Stevens<> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 05:23:39 -0800 (PST), RichA<>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
>>>
>>>> Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
>>>> camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
>>>> lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
>>>> interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
>>>> it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
>>>> days and shelve.
>>>
>>>> The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
>>>> They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
>>>> distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
>>>> in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
>>>> buyer as well.
>>>
>>> If you think the Bushnell 'Permafocus' binocular is a valid comparison
>>> with what the Lytro does then you clearly don't understand the Lytro.
>>>
>>> Do you remember those awful 1.2~1.5 Mp cameras? Are you aware of what
>>> they have grown into? Just think what the Lytro might grow into over
>>> the same period of time.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Eric Stevens
>>
>> The writers were correct to point out that the average small-sensor
>> P&S achieves basically the same deep DOF results with FAR better image
>> quality.
>
> Which is not the point of the camera in question. It's not about "deep"
> DOF but a single point in time and an image providing whatever DOF the
> viewer cares to select, and re-select.
>
> I'm not surprised you can't make the distinction - just like the writers
> who don't get it but you have to ape.
>

On Mar 2, 4:34 pm, Alan Browne <>
wrote:
> On 2012-03-02 08:30 , RichA wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 1, 4:20 pm, Eric Stevens<> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 05:23:39 -0800 (PST), RichA<>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lytro
>
> >>> Would that such a simple device and form-factor was a normal-sensored
> >>> camera, 4/3rds sensor in the same package with a prime focal length
> >>> lens. No embellishments, a better screen but the same size would be
> >>> interesting as a pocketable product. As it is, (no images posted for
> >>> it's output??) it's one of those techy-toys you'll used for a couple
> >>> days and shelve.
>
> >>> The Lytro reminds me of a Bushnell binocular known as "Permafocus."
> >>> They were basically a scam, pretending to be in-focus across the
> >>> distance range when in-fact they used optical trickery that resulted
> >>> in very poor overall performance. They were aimed at the lower-tier
> >>> buyer as well.
>
> >> If you think the Bushnell 'Permafocus' binocular is a valid comparison
> >> with what the Lytro does then you clearly don't understand the Lytro.
>
> >> Do you remember those awful 1.2~1.5 Mp cameras? Are you aware of what
> >> they have grown into? Just think what the Lytro might grow into over
> >> the same period of time.
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Eric Stevens
>
> > The writers were correct to point out that the average small-sensor
> > P&S achieves basically the same deep DOF results with FAR better image
> > quality.
>
> Which is not the point of the camera in question. It's not about "deep"
> DOF but a single point in time and an image providing whatever DOF the
> viewer cares to select, and re-select.
>
> I'm not surprised you can't make the distinction - just like the writers
> who don't get it but you have to ape.
>

It's a worthless piece of toy crap. You are just too stupid or ga-ga
over a gadget to realize it. So go buy one. Then post your
results.

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