Citizens for Better Government, L.L.C. would like to welcome you to our third Online Candidate Forum of the year. This forum is for all declared candidates for the Office of Lake County Sheriff. Lake County Sheriff Gary Borders has held his office since 2006; and, his opponent, Sandy Carpenter, is a Lake County resident who currently holds the position of Captain with the Orange County Sheriff’s Department.

It is very important that you check your email, Facebook, or our website (www.lakecountygov.info) to ensure you don’t miss any part of the forum. Readers will have the ability to make comments about each part of the forum on our website, making it very interactive and interesting.

Forum Guidelines

This is a true online forum; candidates should answer questions concisely, with their answers no longer than 3-to-4 sentences, or a short paragraph. If a question is asking for a “yes” or “no” answer, please answer in that manner.

Each candidate will be asked the same question, and their answers printed as written. If the answer is longer than our guidelines, we may ask the candidate to edit it themselves.

The forum will take three newsletters, and the questions and responses from both candidates will be printed simultaneously. Answers will be listed alphabetically by the candidate’s last name.

After we publish all of the questions and responses, we will allow each candidate to have their own The Right Side of the Lake newsletter for closing remarks and rebuttal. It will be unedited, so candidates should proofread their responses closely. If we see a glaring grammatical error, we will notify the candidate.

All responses and closing statements will remain confidential as to not give either candidate an unfair advantage.

Citizens for Better Government, L.L.C. would like to thank both candidates for their time and seriousness in participating in this online forum. We are extremely confident you will find the responses very thoughtful, professional, and to the point.

Candidate Introductions

Sheriff Gary Borders was initially appointed to the Sheriff’s position in 2006, upon the untimely death of Sheriff Chris Daniels; and, in 2008, Sheriff Borders was elected to his first four year term as Sheriff. Sheriff Borders is originally from Ashland, Kentucky, and for the last 23 years has lived in Howey-in-the-Hills. He is divorced, and has one son, Jason. He is currently a member of Southpointe Baptist Church in Leesburg. Sheriff Borders has a 32 year career in law enforcement, and has spent 23 years in senior management with the Lake County Sheriff’s Office.

Sandy Carpenter was born in Orlando, Florida to parents who were second generation Lake County residents, and for 25 years has lived in Clermont/Lake County with his wife of 30 years, LeeDawn. Carpenter has been a professional law enforcement officer for 30 years, and currently serves as Captain and Watch Commander for the Orange County Sheriff’s Department in which he manages upward to 300 officers per shift. Carpenter and his wife have two children – Dustin, who is earning his Master’s Degree in international business from the University of Florida, and Kristin who is a student at the University of Central Florida and who works with special needs children in the Lake County School District. Carpenter and his wife have been members of the First Baptist Church of Orlando since they were 16 years old and have been life-long supporters/volunteers for the Orlando Rescue Mission.

Forum Questions and Answers Part 1

Q: Have you ever been convicted of a felony or dishonorably discharged from any branch of military service? (Neither candidate has served in the military.)

Sheriff Gary Borders

No

Sheriff Candidate Sandy Carpenter

No

Q: Have you ever filed bankruptcy?

Sheriff Gary Borders

No

Sheriff Candidate Sandy Carpenter

No, I have been blessed to be gainfully employed with the same law enforcement agency for my entire adult life and have always budgeted our money to ensure that our debts were properly controlled.

Q: What is your education background that qualifies you for the office of Sheriff of Lake County?

Sheriff Gary Borders

I hold active certifications in both Corrections and Law Enforcement, I have a bachelor’s degree in Criminal Justice Administration, and I have numerous hours of advanced and specialized training through various career development courses.

Sheriff Candidate Sandy Carpenter

I have accumulated over 3000 hours of continued education and training through Valencia Community College and the Orange County Sheriff’s Office. I have attended schools from basic law enforcement to management training throughout my entire 30 years in the Sheriff’s Office. I have also served as a state certified law enforcement instructor.

Q: In 2000, the Lake County Sheriff’s budget was $28,640,619 with 535 employees. In 2010-2011, the budget increased to $62,567,216 with 765 employees. Are the increased dollars and new employees over the last ten years justified?

Sheriff Gary Borders

The amount that was funded by the BCC for the Sheriff’s Office in FY 2010-11 was $55,767,867, not $62.5 million. For example, the $62.5 million figure includes over $4.5 million dollars of self-funded services (such as the City of Minneola’s cost for our law enforcement services and the Lake County School District’s cost for school resource deputies) that are placed on our budget, but are not actually monies spent by the Sheriff’s Office. Our $55.7 million budget is justified.

Sheriff Candidate Sandy Carpenter

On the surface, the numbers are hard to make sense of and many aspects of the Sheriff’s budget I find troubling. On my first day in office, I will form a budgeting task force of both private citizens and law enforcement experts to ensure the budget is in line with community needs. I will make every tax dollar count. I am fiscally conservative and have the benefit of being a manager in an agency where we were able to increase deputies while reducing crime and the budget.

Q: Since 2000, the Lake County Sheriff’s budget increased 118.5% while population has increased 41.1%. The budget increased at almost three times the rate of the population. In your view, can you explain why the budget increased so much more than the population?

Sheriff Gary Borders

Population growth is far from being the only factor that correlates with and affects the cost of funding an agency with over 700 employees, especially when comparing our budget to one that is now 12 years old. One must consider the rising costs in health care benefits for employees, additional fuel and equipment expenses due to putting more deputies on the streets to enhance public safety, as well as general inflation abroad. Looking at a now 12-year-old budget cannot possibly accurately depict how efficiently we are spending monies today.

Sheriff Candidate Sandy Carpenter

That is one of the many reasons I have decided to run for Lake County Sheriff. As a Lake County resident, I have been concerned that the current Sheriff is not spending wisely and he is not operating the Lake County Sheriff’s Office as efficiently as it can be. Having 30 years of experience and participation in managing one of Florida’s most highly respected law enforcement agencies will allow me the best opportunity to take the Lake County Sheriff’s Office to an even higher standard of service with a more efficient use of tax dollars.

Q: Should the Sherriff’s office be subjected to the same type of budget cuts as any other department in the county?

Sheriff Gary Borders

The Sheriff’s Office should be subjected to the same type of scrutiny as any other department in the county and should justify its request. However, I feel that as we try to improve the local economy by attracting new businesses and new residents, public safety should be amongst the last places to be subjected to budget cuts. People want to live and work in a community where they feel public safety is a priority.

Sheriff Candidate Sandy Carpenter

As your Sheriff, I will work closely with the Board of County Commissioners to ensure that we create a budget that is fiscally responsible while not negatively impacting services that protect our citizens. The Sheriff’s Office has important assets that are necessary to fulfill its mission and service to the citizens of Lake County. Once I become your new Sheriff, I will conduct an overview of each program with the existing members of the Sheriff’s Office to determine where cost effective changes can be made and ensure that our resources are being used in the most efficient manner possible.

Q: In these economic hard times, where can costs be cut in the Sheriff’s department?

Sheriff Gary Borders

We are looking at every line item. For example, we are purchasing fewer cars than in years past and we are operating with fewer employees. All other areas will be reviewed and adjusted accordingly as we continue to cut.

Sheriff Candidate Sandy Carpenter

I am committed to buying locally as I am convinced that we can get the best price, low cost and value, here in Lake County. No expenditures will be made without first giving Lake County businesses the opportunity to provide the lowest cost or match the state bid cost. I strongly believe that we need to keep Lake County tax dollars in Lake County! Items such as vehicles will be based on the state bid price and I will eliminate the current practice of having high end vehicles for staff and specialized positions that don’t require such vehicles. I, and my staff, will drive the same vehicles that a deputy will drive or something even less costly.

I also feel that Lake County has become a training ground for surrounding counties who hire away our deputies once they get a few years of time on the job. This causes an undue burden on the taxpayers as it is the first year that is the most costly for hiring, training, and outfitting a new deputy. I will work hard to ensure that we provide our employees a fair wage and the support they need to do their jobs while giving them an opportunity to grow and a desire to stay with our agency. I will evaluate every position within the agency, especially administrative positions, to ensure that we are allocating manpower in an efficient manner. Much like the budget increases, the current Sheriff’s administration has increased significantly. I believe we can provide a higher level of service with more deputies on the road and less in administrative staff positions.

In Part 2 of our Lake County Sheriff’s Online Forum we will be asking each candidate about specific budget cuts and how they handle cases involving potential illegal immigration and minority participation in the community. Please be sure to check your email tomorrow, or our website at www.lakecountygov.info. If you have not signed up for our free email newsletter service be sure to sign up at the website. Also, for no hassle delivery of the newsletter, “Like” The Right Side of the Lake on Facebook.

If you are candidate and would like to participate in this type of innovative forum, please contact us at lakecountygov@lakecountygov.info It is the goal of Citizens for Better Government, L.L.C. to inform its members and readers on the candidates running for local office.

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Who knows for sure. Things have a way of coming “full circle.” The “untouchable” self proclaimed Godfather might not be as untouchable as he thinks he is. Everybody’s got people; some people can’t be bought at any price.

Recessions and depressions bring out the best and the worst in humans. They have been defined as a recession is when your neighbor is out of work. A depression is when you are out of work.

Well now we are all pretty well out of work with nothing better to do than see where all our money has been going while we were hard at work. When you are looking at that it’s easy to see who has been making it go where and why. Simply as modern math. How many different birthdays did those folks say they had located on government applications and documents for for Robert (Bob) Kenneth McKee? Wonder if he’s signed up on the state retirement using all of them. Hum! Mucho Dinero as they say in Texas! He shouldn’t need that as much as he’s sidetracked over the years.

Also, what if Bob McKee does get re-elected he probably will since he’s threatened everyone that even thought about running against him and somehow he fails to fix the election this time and we miracously elect a real and honest sheriff. Then that sheriff should take all these fictious lying applications and fingerprint cards and such and find out who Bob McKee really is and find that ole New York felony conviction or whatever he’s been running from for 40 years.

I wouldn’t think a convicted felon without a real high school diploma is eligible to run for public office in the state of Florida. That ain’t that far fetched and would sure change your prediction!

Prediction: Bob McKee will be re-elected. The culture of lies, corruption and dishonesty will continue. The problem with democracy is that voters get exactly what they ask for and they get exactly what they deserve.

Gary Borders vs. Sandy Carpenter – who will it be? 320 West Main Street has the answer

For sake of fornicated reading, lets run a little recon on both candidate’s answers to Romac

Q: Have you ever been convicted of a felony – “sounds like a Bob McKee question”

Borders: No…What about have you ever been investigated by the FBI – Oh My!
What about your friends covered up your OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE in the
Green isle Boys Rapes? You should have been arrested for that!

Sandy Carpenter may want to restate his fornicated answer before June rolls around. Just a suggestion, but the California team hired by Shaq need to do their homework a little better

Q: Education

Borders: Fabricated response as everyone knows where Borders degrees actually came from

Carpenter: His response checks out as it has been verified

Q: Budgets

Borders: Budgets are Justified….taxpayers beg the differ and so do state & federal statutes

Carpenter: A gray answer….with the multiple briefings on the S/O Carpenter has received, the Shaq team has strike two.

Q: Budgets Since 2000

Borders: Answers by deflecting the comparison to a 12 year old budget. Bad question Dan. Try comparing the year 2006 to 2012 and see Borders squirm – He is out of answers

Carpenter: He will work with the Board of Convicts to ensure bla bla bla bla bla.

Once I become your new sheriff – “a Bob McKee arrogant response for sure”

I will conduct an overview with existing members of the Sheriff’s Office – Say it ain’t so

Strike three as Carpenter has been in multiple briefings regarding the “existing members”

Looks like Bob McKee has his pick already

Q: Cutting costs

Borders: We are looking at every line item…does this include the cocaine lines?

How do you explain your posture being held up by your gunnie belt by the drunkered # 2 man Grinnell at the Republican socialite meeting a few weeks ago? Will you submit to a Level 8 (DOT Standards) pee test? The tell tales of what is in your traceable blood stream.

Carpenter: I will eliminate the current practice of having high end vehicles for staff

Sandy Carpenter, think son before you answer. What about the high end Chevy Tahoe that you drive each and every day as an employee of the Orange County Sheriff’s Office?

What about the fuel consumption and costs thereof to run that gas guzzler (when your hammered down south bound on US HWY 27) and the effects upon the taxpayers?

How about your off duty hot pursuits to Shaq’s house in Windermere to fornicate your campaign? The taxpayers are picking up the tab on this – yes? Ed Zackery we are.

I believe we can provide a higher level of service with more deputies on the road – Oh No you did not say that!

Carpenter, get with Shaq and his leer jet hopping team and get together brother. On second thought, go pay your boss a visit at 320 West Main Street and you discuss your strategy a little better.

Communication between you two needs work.

For the readers out there know this; neither candidate for sheriff is worth having and Lake County needs more options. A few of you are out there watching, waiting, and reveling the thought of jumping in. Brothers & Sisters; “be like Mike” and just “do it.” We’ve got your back and your covered with full access to whatever you need. Unlike the normal campaign cash required – when your honest and sincere about committing your lives for the good of mankind; money doesn’t matter. All you need is are the facts to take out the incerted competition. The facts are all yours with your registration for any political office within Lake County Florida. You have our word on that!

Unqualified to be Sheriff of Lake County

Borders for well known documented reasons surrounding his romp as Lake County Sheriff since October 15, 2006. Conveniently sworn in by the proven convict Bob McKee the day after Chris Daniels died. Talk about an all time judicial disaster! Acting sheriff sworn in by a convict. Even Borders friend and supporter (Morgan & Morgan – for the people) would find this case challenging. Could every arrest made by the Lake County Sheriff’s Office since October 15, 2006 be challenged? That is a question for someone like Mr. Chaney Mason or (I’m convinced) his brother Perry Mason.

The sheriff was sworn in by an unqualified and well fornicated convict – Bob McKee.

But even the male inmate rapes by Borders and investigated by the FBI with four testimonies by uniformed deputies as witnesses, cannot compare the world renowned RAPES of FIVE innocent CHILDREN @ the GREEN ISLE RANCH in Clermont, Florida! Operated by Borders good friends at Bridges of America and select local associates including the BOCC.

How about it Borders, are you willing to face the people with a campaign question of RAPE?

Carpenter has many reasons in his closed closet and his “shoe in” boss knows this. Control starts in early with Lake County Political Convicts forming their cast in place team. McKee has a plan in place as always Carpenter is it. Early set ups began with Carpenter and to some degree, we don’t even think he realizes a few of them. But when a nifty little badge is your forte for “look at me, I’m Sheriff”, the convolutedness begins.

The most unknown reason for not qualifying Sandy Dean Carpenter for Lake County’s top dog position would certainly be the direct connection to Convict Bob McKee. Ironically, the same disqualifying connection exists between Borders & McKee.

Paul Harvey’s “the rest of the story” will fornicate the facts of the shoe in election campaign for sheriff at a later date. You can bet Utopia on that!

One thing is for sure when considering all political races in Lake County this year; they will be hotter than a Corpus Christie Hot Tub filled a Mexican Drug Cartel, a Lt. Commander Coast Guard pilot, and a naked Lake County daughter in law crying foul play!

A full Carpenter Report will be transmitted for the voters educated thirst say around “June” –

That fits Carpenter’s schedule pretty well – isn’t that right Carpenter? See your boys, they;ve got work to do.

One Lake County tin star for sale to the highest bidder – currently, that is Bob McKee

If sheriff Borders is truly looking at every line item he should pay special attention to the pay per minute cell phones. That billing has been running around $14,000. Per month. Last month probably because it’s political season again the bill went to a whopping $20,000. (TWENTY-THOUSAND) That’s almost a quarter of a million dollars per year for cell phones after we the taxpayers spent over $30 MILLION (don’t forget that big fat annual maintenance fee!) for the most efficient 800 mtz radio system on earth. People were running around the office mumbling they don’t have enough money to pay it. Also about that time here come an invoice for another new vehicle after Borders promised LCSO CEO Tom Klinker he wasn’t going to buy anymore new vehicles this budget year! Remember Klinker has already warned Gary Borders the current salary amounts will make the salary account $1 MILLION short by end of budget year September 30, 2012. So, what does one do when they already have salaries that cost more than they have coming in? Whose fault is that? The “administrator” who is living a Champaign life on a beer budget of $65 MILLION DOLLARS.

Gary S. Borders has not lived in Howey-in-the-Hills for the last 23 years! He lived in a home on Sunset Dr. in Mt. Dora previously shared with his former wife Rebecca until he purchased his present home on North Dixie Av, in Howey-in-the-Hills on August 18, 2006.

In the late 1988 Resume he provided to Lake County Sheriff’s Office for his original jail employment he stated he had two children dependants; Jason age 13 and Jeremy Smith age 5. The biological children of his wife Rebecca Smith Borders. Gary Borders adopted Jason, but did not adopt the younger child. This is the son he is so proud of. Rebecca Borders is the current Mayor of St. Cloud, Fl. and does not mention her children in any of her publications. Why is Gary so proud of Jason and Rebecca doesn’t even give him an honorable mention? Most folks say it’s because he uses Jason hoping to offset his gay lifestyle.

In 2008 when Gary Borders was running for sheriff he claimed to be a member of the Bay Street Baptist Church. That church ultimately suffered financial disaster and the Pastor Mark Douglas was hired by Gary Borders as a jail chaplain. Douglas has since completed law enforcement training to become a real deputy.

Gary Borders went to work at the Osceola County Jail on July 1, 1980 and was terminated by the incoming sheriff on January 2, 1989. After being informed by the incoming sheriff’s administration that he would not be reappointed he applied and was hired by Lake County sheriff George Knupp on January 4, 1989 as the Lake County Jail administrator. He served in that capacity under a few different titles even through the Lake County Commission running the jail for a short stint in the early 1990’s and in 1998 attended the sheriff’s law enforcement academy and got a law enforcement certificate. I recall at the time he pulled rank and reminded instructor’s he was a major and in reality only attended about half of the classes. Reality is he never had any law enforcement experience at all when he was appointed sheriff by Jeb Bush in October 2006 unless you want to call running a jail law enforcement; his 23 years of senior management almost 17 years of that was as a jailer!

When Gary Borders was appointed sheriff of Lake County in 2006 he had a high school diploma from Fairview High School, Ashland, Kentucky. We don’t sell that short that is an honorable accomplishment that many don’t achieve today.

In 2008 Gary Borders was actually the most educationally challenged candidate in the race. At that time he announced he was working on an associates degree from Vincennes University. Soon sometime in 2009 he had accomplished that online degree and was showing same on his BIO on the sheriff’s website..

Then, low and behold on July 10. 2011 at the Bob Carr Center in Orlando, Fl. Gary S. Borders was among other Lake County Sheriff’s employee’s cap and gown and all graduating with a four year Bachelor’s Degree in Criminal Justice. His fellow graduates and employee’s included Michael Marden; David Pelton; Russell Edwards and Steven Keller.

One might wonder why a person who was educationally challenged just a short four years ago and has since then completed both two year and four year degree’s online would fail to mention the name of the establishment of higher learning where that acquired that degree. Well the answer is everyone knows that former jail employee and professor and now rewarded real road deputy Scott Kirkland was the one who actually done the online college work. Now we wouldn’t want this little FAKE COLLEGE DEGREE thing to get out to the public like the chief Mark Isom one did would we? The only difference is Isom just sent the money (straight out of the evidence vault) in for his degrees without wasting any time playing around online. In Borders case his jailhouse employee Scott Kirkland was doing Borders (and others as well) schooling for him while we the taxpayers paid Kirkland’s salary and we the taxpayers probably sent the checks straight to Columbia for the “CRIMINAL” Criminal Justice Degree’s

No doubt Gary Borders holds various “active certifications in both Corrections and Law Enforcement” the problem is he got most of them by simply checking in and checking out! Just like all the local sheriff’s say he does at the Florida Sheriff’s Association meetings. In, out and gone.

Florida Statute 30.49 is the law of the land on sheriff’s budgets. Chairman Welton Cadwell long ago allowed the sheriff to bypass those legally required elements of the budget process and simply submit a letter to the LCBCC outlining how much money they wanted! This process is totally illegal. The sheriff’s and all other constitutional officers are supposed to prepare and submit a detailed budget showing proposed expenditures for that budget year. They are also required by law to show the BCC the expenses incurred for the previous budget year as a manner of oversight. No sheriff’s office in the state of Florida is authorized by law to become a services for sale entity.

Gary Borders remarks concerning the term “self-funded” is erroneous in it’s self. Just when people believe their elected officials can not become anymore removed from reality someone like Gary Borders invents a new term or phrase. Every dime that flows into the sheriff’s budget comes from the TAXPAYERS. For instance the taxpayers of the City of Minneola and the Town of Montverde want more police presence than those in the unincorporated area of lake County so they pay the sheriff’s office to police their municipalities.

The Lake County TAXPAYERS fund the school resource deputies through the Lake County School Board budget. Again the TAXPAYERS are funding this SELF-FUNDING! Granted some of this money comes from federal grants and such. Again this is TAXPAYERS money and NOT A GIFT FROM OBAMA!

Q: Since 2000, the Lake County Sheriff’s budget increased 118.5% while population has increased 41.1%. The budget increased at almost three times the rate of the population. In your view, can you explain why the budget increased so much more than the population?

Unincorporated Lake County has been shrinking for years with cities expanding taking in larger service areas.

For several years beginning in 2007 Sheriff Borders went to the BCC and asked them to fund additional deputies for his department. The cost of putting additional “deputies on the streets” and equipping them averages somewhere around $100,000. Each. He had a BCC authorized employee count of 766 personnel In most cases he did not hire the additional deputies but simply took the money and spread it around in raises and bonuses. In 2008 he was paying 100% of the employee’s insurance coverage including all employee dependants coverage. He has now ceased this as well as at this time also ceased due to the new 2011 law the 3% employee retirement contribution to the Florida Retirement system. In some cases he did give raises to certain employee’s to make up for the fact that the employee’s were now required to pay the state that 3% retirement contribution direct from they paychecks to the state.

The Florida law requiring state employees to fund the 3% to their retirement account is under appeal. What will happen if it is overturned and government agencies like LCSO have to retroactively replace this 3% funding? Some government agencies have been holding these funds in escrow just in case. Other have given raises to their employee’s to cover there contribution. If the retirement funding law is overturned this will cause a bankruptcy of Lake County Government!

if sheriff borders’ relationship with the huge liberal democrat supporter john morgan doesnt prove borders is a closet liberal, then i dont know what does. obviously his campaign is in trouble if he is willing to accept support an obama supporter. the contrast shown between carpenter and borders is vivid. borders is an uncontrolled spender of our hard earned tax dollars. carpenter is a fiscal conservative who has 30 years experience in the sheriffs office in which he has learned to allocate his resources responsibly.borders has no ties to lake county. he has no family in lake county. carpenter is a third generation lake countian. borders has no children. he has a step-son that he uses for political reasons when its convenient. carpenter has 30 years of real police experience. borders is a puppet for the commissioners and bob mckee. carpenter is a christian family man. borders has a long list of relationships with young males. . our lake county republican leaders are a joke. where is ralph smith in all this? ralph, how can you claim to be against the obama agenda, and still support a rino like borders. how can you claim to be a christian and still support a sheriff that clearly ignores the laws of god and the morals of good men. for once ralph wont you stand up for whats right and not whats best for your tires. you put yourself out there for this conversation. you have the audience you always wanted. you are the one claiming publicly what you are and stand for. prove it!

I’d like to see both candidates address the issue of corruption in the police departments in Lake County. Numerous complaints were made against Fruitland Park, Lady Lake, and others with no action ever taken. Why is that?

I feel weary to vote for anyone who simply suggests “cutting the number of employees and decrease cars bought”. So you can decrease the yearly costs by 20 percent but you had to fire 150 deputies who work the road while beginning to purchase bikes for the officers who need replacement cars (hopefully a dramatization).

But on a more serious note, one must not just cut costs where they can, but focus on retaining the costs already being expended. This is the larger problem at hand that Carpenter wisely spoke of. Training costs are not cheap in any organization and surely not for Law Enforcement. Retaining these individuals who are leaving for better salaries and benefits from neighboring counties would drastically reduce costs in the longer-run. Making LCSO more competitive as an employer and agency while spending this money more wisely is key. Decrease costs: yes. But not at the expense of a quality agency and the citizens of Lake County you can easily put out of a job just in the name of decreased costs.

This is a true online forum; candidates should answer questions concisely, with their answers no longer than 3-to-4 sentences, or a short paragraph. If a question is asking for a “yes” or “no” answer, please answer in that manner.

the above is copied from the rules of the forum HOWEVER the last response by the candidate says it all about this joke of a forum. not only is his response more than 3-4 sentences it’s MORE than a short paragraph; it’s 2. come on man is this a joke or what??

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