Six days before the 60th anniversary of the Constitution of India, the Congress government in Maharashtra has behaved no better than thuggish political parties and outfits acting in the name of language, region and religion by asserting that it will give taxi licences only to those who are able to read, write and speak in the local languge (Marathi) and who have been residents of Maharashtra for 15 years or more.

At one level, the rule is “undemocratic and discriminating”, as the taximen’s union has described it, when the Constitution allows Indians to live and work in any place they please. At another level, it seeks to overturn the cosmopolitan ethos of a great metropolis which has welcomed migrants from everywhere and allowed them to contribute to the City in their own, unique ways, like New York and London.

But there is a third, more dangerous, whiff emanating from the retrograde move. It sets a precedent, sends a signal for politicians and political parties (and the lunatic fringe sitting on the sidelines) whose vision is similary constricted in other parts of the country. And, above all, why are only taxi drivers being subjected to this demanding condition. Why not investment bankers or film industry personnel or mediamen or mall workers or software workers or…?

If today we talk of language and residence as prerequisites for employment, how much longer before caste, community, religion, etc, become sneak into the debate?

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This is petty parochialism at its worst. Soon, Indians from one state will have to seek work permits to live and work in another state. Trust ourselves to find some way of stunting the growth of our economy. We never seem to get over the crab mentality.

Economist Joseph Stiglitz says “Real growth is one when people get education, health care and job at their own place”.
The growth as being projected in India is not the real growth which economists believe. India is following city lead growth model, but only few cities have been able to accomplish this.
This unscientiffic model has its own problems. Consequences of which we are seeing everywhere nowadays.
Instead of blaming the Maharashtra government which is trying to take drastic measures to protect the locals’ interests, the governments of other states must start brainstorming on ways to improve the lifestyle in their respective states.

Govt. are formed to provide and create employment for people. Be it corporation, district, state or country.
If Maharashtra govt. feels that taxi drivers should know Marathi, whats wrong in that? Why are politicians from UP, Bihar concerned about this?
do they look to Maharashtra taxi’s for employment?
The rule has also clearly stated that existing permits wont be touched, it would be applicable only for taxi operators. The onus on getting these things checked lies with the operator, so its a way of stopping body shopping!
Media has twisted this case! nothing else..

ree churumuri,,
you have become like TV9. Always trying to provoke kannadigas on this forum.

alla swamy,,
Did maha govt tell that taxi drivers shouldn’t speak another language ? All they told is you must know marathi to get a permit.

Being in maharashtra, in a public service sector like taxi, serving large number of locals,, is it a crime to ask the drivers to speak the language of the state?

Let the driver speak french, german, hindi, gujarati , zulu, arabic, jingalaala loo .,, but let him also speak marathi, the very language of the place.

This hindi parochialism should end. It is not MH govt’s duty to create jobs for migrants. The onus of taking care of biharis lie with bihar govt and if it can’t fulfill it’s duty of getting 2 meals a day to it’s citizen, then why the hell they should be in power? Let them accede their state with maharashtra and then take jobs..

the government is using parochialism to combat parochialism. it is undesirable per se, but let’s be real here.

whether in new york or paris, calcutta or madras, taxi drivers must know the local language. why is the scene different in mumbai and bangalore?

it’s different because mumbai’s and bangalore’s migrant taxi or auto drivers in the last 20 years have stubbornly refused to learn the local language. i am always annoyed when i talk in marathi (in mumbai) or in kannada (in bangalore) and get a response or a question back in rather unlettered hindi.

i would be equally annoyed if i could only communicate with a cabbie in new york only by learning portuguese or punjabi or spanish myself!

i don’t see any more agreeable options for our society, unless we simply don’t mind the migrants totally overturning the cultures of their adopted cities. i am not unhappy with the maharashtra cabinet decision.

plus, cabbies and auto drivers are operating a public service; it is within the jurisdiction of maharashtra to regulate them constitutionally.

If you cannot learn to live with local populace and respect their culture and langauge, you better pack your bags and go back to whereever you came from. This is true of any state. The responsibility of a state is to provide for the local populace first and if anything is left can be shared with migrants.

BIMARI’s somehow think it is God given right to them to go anywhere and disrespect the local populace and get away with it. This is happening in namma karnataka esp in namma bengalooru in a large way. Look at all the constructions workers, street vendors, shop owners all of them are BIMARI’s. It is gone to such an extent now that the BIMARI parties like SP is fielding their candidates in bengaluru and behenji mayawati is coming to bengaluru to canvass on their behalf.

What Maha govt has done is a step in right direction. As the saying goes,

As soon as this announcement was made, or for that matter any such annoucement is made, the first ones to react was mayavati and lalu and nitsh… How come no other state ministers had a problem with this?? Why is media not interested in bringing out the real fact behind why people from up and bihar need to migrate to other states… inspite of bihar recording highest growth rate??
But again Mr.Chavan has added tht hindi n gujrati also will do .. what else can be expected by someone who is from a so called national party

No doubt, its duty of every citizen of federal india, to learn the language and respect the tradition, culture of the region where they are staying for comparatively longer period, irrespective of their nativity. People who speak marathi in maharashtra are all maharashtrians irrespective of their mother tongue. If he feels himself as related to maharashtra, then only he would be a responsible contributer of the development of the maharashtra state. It applies to all states.

There is no wrong in this. If you have to work in a place you have to know the language of that place. When center is imposing Hindi on every individual then this move is no different from that.

When you need Hindi to work in Central Govt offices then what is wrong if its made compulsory to learn Marati if you want a taxi permit in Maharashtra. I complete welcome this move from Ashok. I also wish that some sort of steps should be taken in Karnataka also to make sure that Kannada speaking people are given more priority here in all the sectors be it Govt offices or a Private Security firm.

Recently, I was in Mumbai on a business trip. On my way back to the airport, I suddenly remembered that I should say hello to an old friend of mine, a Malayalee born in Mumbai.

I asked the autorickshaw driver if he knew Marathi and if he could translate something for me urgently, so that I could shock my Malayalee friend with my knowledge of Marathi.

“Nahi, sir,” the rickshaw driver said, “main Karnatak se hoon.”

It turned out that the gentleman was from Channarayapatna in Hassan district who had lived and worked in Mumbai for eight years.

In other words, it is only ostrich-headed arrogance that can result in some of the comments we already see here. Yes, Bihar and UP and several other states are doing very badly which is why their citizens go to Mumbai. But let us not kid ourselves into thinking Karnataka is paradise on earth.

There is enormous disparity in development in Karnataka too, as there is in every other state, and there are thousands who go from here to there for lack of employment especially from the northern parts of the state. Of course, they should learn the language and be part of that culture and respect it, but to think that is the first and only requirement is perfidy.

@ mysore peshva: “mullige mullinda thegibeku”?

Learn to write some correct Kannada, brother, first before you advertise your annoyance about cab drivers who do not entertain you with their knowledge of the local language.

What is New York’s local language? Ghanian? Bengali? Punjabi? It’s time you got real.

What London has is one of the most difficult entrance tests for cab drivers. They should know every lane and bylane in the great city. Should they know the Queen’s English like the Bard did? I suspect not.

Cab drivers are running a public service? Yes. But unless the government pays for their taxis, petrol bills, uniform and their salaries, and as long as there are private companies hiring them, they are not a government service, which is very different from public service.

What is the percentage of Marathi speakers who use cabs? I am willing to bet it is a tiny fraction and I am willing to bet it is the same everywhere else in the country. So, whose cause is served by forcing the cab driver to perforce learn the local language? Not the locals.

What if the cab driver has lived in Mumbai for 15 years but still doesn’t know Marathi? What if the cab driver breaks every rule, takes you to the wrong address and kills a couple along the way but somehow escapes censure because he speaks Marathi?

Looks like churumuri is trying its best to get ‘TRP’. What is wrong with the fact that a person moving to another place ‘by choice’ should learn the language of that place. Be a roman when you are in Rome.

Absolutely, let’s divide up everything on the basis of language. Let’s put up gigantic walls at the borders of karnataka so that tamil air does not come blow here, and telugu polluted sunshine does not creep through at dawn
Why stop at just jobs and education? Why even have a country called India in the first place?

I can already hear Chinese and Pakistani chuckles. Who needs to spend millions training militants and hostile armies when idiots are already doing a fine job of dismembering this country from within?

Please, go ahead. Find yourselves more things to divide each other with. Karnataka for Kannadigas, Bangalore for Bangaloreans, Malleswaram for er… Mallus?

Let stop dividing the country. We don’t have spine to first fix or protest the corrupts who runs the Govt. Let Govt. first give job opportunities (flyovers, roads, construction etc) everything to locals first. If they do, most of the problems get solved. Instead these govt. morons keep playing vote bank politics in the name of pseudo “secularism, farmers, language” etc.

Why Govt. morons not using home made govt. car company instead go for all foreign makes, SUVs etc.?

London cabbies – bless them- come from all over the world. More important they are a living testament to the plasticity of the human brain in response to environmental demands . What I cant understand is how people can spend 15 years in any place and not learn the local language?

I dont see anything wrong in expecting people who work in a region to know that region’s language. eenu thappu?
Mr. Chavan should also look into driver’s driving skills and their knowledge of traffic rules, which are more important.

Why impose Hindi on states that have their own languages and cultures?

Whether one is a Kannadiga, Telugu, Tamil, Punjabi or Kashmiri, if someone has shifted to a particular region for long term stay, learn that region’s language. It does not hurt anyone. It only enriches them.

What’s wrong in the state implementing it’s language policy to protect the interests of it’s people ? Learning the language of the place is a must for interacting with the people of the place. and that’s why the states of India were formed keeping in mind the linguistic diversity. LEt the UP, Bihar governments provide jobs for it’s people through development works and stop interfering in other states administration.

why have we divided this earth whihc is meant to be for humans??? why the division in name of indians, pakis,chinese??? are we all not humans?? when there is a natural catastrophes do we stand still thinkg we dont belong to the other group? can anybody answer this?? who has voted for anybody work anywhere without respecting local populace

@Prashant Krishnamurthy
Very true that there is lot of disparity in development within Karnataka. The main reason I feel is that we do not have a storng Kanrnataka party that can lobby at the centre to get things done for Karnataka like that by Tamil-nadu government. Everyone knows what centre thinks of Karnataka. The same goes even to Maharashtra. People are only concerned about Banglore and Mumbai. Some even go to exent of saying these shud be made UTs… I strongly believe that these state are in dire need of a regional party.

@Alok
There is no need for fences.. but there is a need for viewing India in terms of union of many states like the European Union. And Malleshwara (not malleshwaram) is very much for Bangloreans…. :) Its one of the oldest areas of Banglore and cant part with it for mallus :D

This decision of the govt is very apt. They havent barred biharis or hindi people to take license for taxi driving in Maharashtra. In any land where we live it is good to have knowledge of the people and language there. That too in public services like this taxi and all it is a must. If a non Maharastrian wants job in Maharashtra then he should be living there from 15 years and knows Marati should be a very obvious condition to work there. This rules should be implemented in all states of India for jobs which includes interaction with local public.

Maharashtra government is just trying uphold the interests of marathis who are the original residents of maharashtra. Whats wrong with that? Enforcing this will create employment to more marathis.

Why are people migrating to Mumbai? Because people from Bihar, UP dont find proper jobs in their own land. Its a clear failure on Bihar,UP governments which is making people migrate away from their own land. This needs to be corrected first.

It is true that its a right of every indian to work in any place in India. Dont forget rights and duties are same side of the coin. If that is a right, then it is duty to respect the local language and culture.

The real issue is totally circumvented by branding it as parochialism, regionalism, fanatism etc. The issue is not just one that of a citizen of one part of the country going to another part of the country in search of his bread and butter, his livelihood and happily living everafter. If the issue was as simple as that, our country should have been a very strong, vibrant and unified nation, with no problem of any kind, except external threats. Unfortunately, it is not a simple question of a citizen of a nation having his right to live wherever he wants peacefully and earn his living. The issue must be looked into in toto. Knee-jerk reactions, lopsided views, high moral sounding patriotic opinions are totally misplaced and convey nothing.

If you see more Kannadigas in Mumbai, they are mostly from Mangaluuru (well developed place) and many parts of north karnataka (under developed) and you should also consider these regions geographical proximity to mumbai.
Traditionally people from these regions have gone to mumbai for business and work.

In anycase, Karnataka and Maharastra are considered developed states in India. Couple of years ago, I was not selected for a fellowship to study
abroad bcoz I hail from Karnataka which is developed in HRD’s yardstick and same fellowship was given to someone from’backward’ state West Bengal. Till then I did know Karnataka came under ‘ developed’ category!

Why just marathi, if the job demanded Mumbai Taxi bhayyas would have learnt Na’vi.
Chavan does not know how to create new jobs for Marathi Manoos, hence back to appa netta alada mara ,Nehruvian Socialism, license, permit, reservation.

EU should see itself like India because while the Europeans were picking the pieces of their last hate-fest, we were going about putting together our Union of States. It is in the Indian Constitution, 1950 for heaven’s sake!

Central to the idea of India is free movement of ideas, people and goods within this vast territory stretching from Kashmir to Kanyakumari, Ahmedabad to Aizawl.

What the EU got around to doing slowly but surely over the last 20 years, we have been doing for 60 years (and more) fairly successfully.

Every job requires you to interact with locals at some level. Where it is essential, you learn on your own if you are the sane type. If, however, you’re going to use language as a barrier to keep “non-locals” out, then please go to Pakistan and save us the trouble of kicking you out.

At this rate, the idea of India may not last for a long time. I don’t want to sound alarmist but that’s how things seem to pan out of late.

Where would it stop? At my door step finally? Would I be thrown out of B’lore one day because I am not a Bangalorean though I am a Kannadiga?

Think about this issue of insecurities in shrinking terms. First all non-Kannadigas are unwelcome in Karnataka. Then may be all HK, Bombay Karnataka folks out of B’lore (yikes! all these ugly, pan-chewing masons from Gulbarga, Bijapur screwing up green and beautiful Bangalore)? Then may be all non-Bangalorean Hale Mysooru (Read Mandya panche types who don’t have the roots in Malleshwaram, Basaanaudi..) folks out of B’lore?

Yeah, I know it’s too simplistic a narrative. Bit of scaremongering and a gross exaggeration.may be. But how can I really be sure that it would stop at the borders of a state and won’t make deeper inroads at the level of a sub-region, city? Who would stop at what level and why?

It won’t stop till a group of people feel threatened by the presence of ‘aliens’ – and this definition of aliens could keep changing and could keep becoming ever narrower. Finally it may lead to the Gandhian ideal of Grama Swarajya? May be.

I am not sure if Govt of Maharashtra has also decreed the same about all the moneybags flocking to the state to make a car rather than drive a taxi ie the purveyors of capital too shall be sons of the soil or at the very least Marathi speaking blokes armed with 15+ years of domicile. Or may be the money doesn’t have a stamp on it while the men do. Yeah, yeah I know the capital brings in employment for the locals and all. But still the same yardstick should be applied to one and all no?

U talk about constitution and say u’ll kick me to Pakistan.. why? U r the prime-minister of Pakistan is it? Mind your words and argue properly. I can understand u must be one of those “out-siders” who will want to be “out-siders” for ever in their own country. Let me tell u how.. If u cant be a Kannadiga in Bangalore.. u r outsider… n hence not fit to be called Indian… U belong no-where…
The very idea of one India is only 60 years old.. while u state about free movement within country, the movers… i mean the migrants continue to be biharis, ups wherever they go.. Is this not against nationalism. If these people are allowed to retain their identity n language by imposing it on the place to which they hv migrated, then why is it wrong for the locals who have been inhabiting the land for thousands of years, to protect theirs and resist any attack or destruction of their own culture…

U say EU must look at us and things are very fairly and successfully done in India from 60 years..
Why r u kidding urself? The whole world knows what EU is and What India still is not even to this day.. They.. I mean each European nation has been able to protect each one’s sulture, tradition n language. Even a small country like switzerland has 3 national languages. Please have a look, France has numerous means to promote French all over the world.

There is a valid point in that why should people from other states enjoy the benefit of investment made by a home state?

But, there are two counter arguments to this.

1. It is a free market. Suppose you were to select a bus driver , and you conduct a test. One non-marathi gets 70/100 and one marathi gets 50/100. Whom would you choose? I would choose a non-Marathi because I feel more safer when I travel in a bus driven by a better driver.

2. Central funds are used in the state. Some people say kannadigas should get preference in blue-collar jobs etc. But, if India had not setup IISc, ITI, HAL, NAL in Bangalore would IT companies have started here. No.

Your skewed understanding of Indian and European history only confirms my initial suspicion that people like you will be comfortable only in Pakistan.

The idea of India is not 60 years old, but goes right back to the writings of Kautilya among other who were recognized that the land we now call India (+Nepal+Bangladesh+Pakistan) is basically one unified geographic entity separate from, say, Persia or China.

Europe, on the other hand, started off as a free trade zone which became a more expansive union of nations. This was after two bloody world wars over territory and genocides of people based on religion and race. If this is the Europe you want us all to emulate, I repeat, Pakistan is the place for you.

We can be both proud Kannadigas and proud Indians. And if we want to be proud Indians, we must learn to accommodate and tolerate people who are different than us in terms of language, culture and religion. If, on the other hand, you prefer to think of Biharis or UPites as essentially sub-human, you are no better than the Pakistanis who slaughtered Bengalis just because they spoke a different language and looked different.

federal structure of india gives right to an elected state govt to frame laws to protect interests of that state, they need not consult BHAIYYAS to take decisions. strong regional parties are the only solution to this north indian menace. develop your bihar, uttar pradesh etc before talking of national integration.

What the hell is happening here?
I find it intriguing that when the intention was to gather public opinion about this matter, why put your own opinion at the beginning itself?

Frankly, I find it intriguing why people are talking more about Karnataka here than about Maharashtra.

And coming to the topic though – it is about giving taxi driving permits in MH to those who know Marathi. Well, doesnt it sound very similar to our ventral govt. allotting railway (among other similar) jobs to people that speak Hindi – what with the tests being conducted only in Hindi and English. Arent such examinations precluding other “Indian” brethren because they dont know Hindi? Atleast here, Maharashtra’s rule applies within a state designated as Marathi speaking, but our Union’s methods are rather tyrannic in nature isn’t it? All across the country if one were to win jobs in certain offices, one is mandatorily required to know Hindi – a language not known by a majority of the nation’s population.

So the intelligentsia here has been accepting the crap being thrown at us all these years by the union, but cant digest a new rule being passed in one secluded state, which at the outset itself appears very much in the interest of a majority of the state’s residents.

Come on, how would the majority Marathis in MAH state communicate with a taxi driver who doesnt know Marathi? Otherwise within a Marathi speaking state, (and dont question that, if you have a language, you can call you state that way too) do you guys expect a Marathi common man to learn an alien language for taxi commutation? There’s a simple common sense in expecting taxi drivers to know Marathi. How MAH is going to implement that is upto them, but it is a must to have. If a non-Marathi wants to drive a taxi for bread, he/she may please do it in the state he belongs to, or much-kondu learn Marathi in MAH.

BTW, stop encashing your egos on this piece of news. The unassuming taxi drivers in MAH will anyway learn Marathi because they need it, unlike the assuming, and intention-laden “intelligentsia” who seem to be habitual controversy-mongers.

Hi all,
Very good and bold step by Maharashtra government. If you can’t ask people who having bread and butter in Maharastra to learn marati then where on earth will you?. People who talk about language is dividing factor in India, please get the things right that it is the language that unites India. India is union of many linguistic states and nothing wrong in asking people to learn the language of the land.

wow!! U speak of Kautilya… But did what he write include pakistan — nepal– ?? Ok so its definetly not what India is now.. And can u please explain why my idea of India is skewed? I am for an all power ful and all prosperous India rather than wanting people from poor states to be migrating to some-where else in search of food… If each state of India can be developed, only then India can be developed. Not by just having one zmumbai or one Bangalore and everyone making a rush to such places to lay their claim on their share… And u have no right under the constitution of India to decide where I should live or where I should be sent to…….. So control ur emotions… :D

As somebody who will probably live in this horribly twisted idea of India that you and others here peddle, for the rest of his mortal life, I cannot, and I refuse to, control my emotions.

Since you obviously want an Indian more like Pakistan, I am offering you(and all those who agree with you) the once in a lifetime chance to make a permanent migration to Pakistan and live out your dreams of a strong and powerful nation that is built on hatred for others, a mono-cultural and mono-ethnic identity.

Those of us, on the other hand, who know India’s complex and varied history, and know that Biharis, UPites, Odiyas and many many other people of varying levels of poverty and deprivation have fought and died for India’s independence, and continue to do so at our borders would prefer to stay on.

Are you arguing that should we tell someone who is shivering in the cruel cold of Siachen to “stay out off Bangalore or Mumbai you Bihari?” Too bad you were born in the region with terrible floods, terrible leaders and horrid caste politics, thanks for your life, now please watch your family starve in Bihar. Oh and don’t try to get your family to emigrate and hope for better opportunities because we will throw you straight back from where you came from.

Nobody wants to migrate long distances and uproot themselves for no reason. In a perfect world, all of India’s states would be equally well developed and no one would need to migrate across the country, just to make a living.

Unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world. We can try and make the best of what we have, and not make it any worse. That there is a political identity called India is in itself a miracle, and we must make some adjustments to try and keep this miracle alive. These are hard working people whose only fault is that they were born in a place different from us and speak a different language.

Besides, a million Bihari labourers have not done as much damage to Karnataka and Kannada as Deve Gowda and his family.

@Alok
I think in ur uncontrolled emotions u fail to get my point. I ne ver ever said Biharis or UPs are sub-humans. nor did I ever say anything that indicates this. All I said was the governments of these states are not doing much for their people and are trying to blame rest of country by behaving like cr babies. In fact UP n Bihar have the most fertile belt for irrigation and if used properly, they can grow enough wheat n sugarcane for entire India. Instead of concentrating on developing these states, the politicians of these states just try to push off their responsibilities on others in name of Nationalism. In fact people of hindi speaking states think they are one hand upper than other Indians cos they speak “Hindi”.

And once again, U hv no right under this Sun to decide where I’m to live. U seem very obsessed with Pakistan. Why dont u try living there? Afterall, Pakistan was also part of India.. rather the “Bharata-varsha” or “Jambu-dweepa”…
Karnataka n Maharashtra have their own problems just like any other states. The need of hour for these two states is a strong regional party which will concentrate on these states (not in the manner the RJD or Mayawati do).. Any ways, I stop at this….. gud luk

The Politburo people of the Peoples’ Party of the Peoples’ Republic of the most Populous people should be avid readers of Churumuri. Other wise how can they draw plans to divide India into as many countries as the number of states that there were/are/will be?

I suspect people are hell bent on destroying something wonderful created by the toil of some truly wonderful and gritty people. I am so saddened by the percentage of people who have voted “Yes” to having restrictions on migrants.

Kavitha:
If a job needs one to know the local language – by all means it should be made mandatory qualification. But, to say Bimaru workers are filling up Bangalore is both an exaggeration and even if they did – scare mongering.

I come from Mangalore, so a migrant myself! 70% of Bangalore are Migrants, (so is any other big city). Your statements about not allowing non-kannadigas in Bangalore brings some questions to my mind.

1. What right do we have to say someone from Bihar shouldn’t? My native language isn’t Kannada, it is Tulu, which is spoken by majority in DK.. Is it ok for us to migrate within Karnataka, because it is our state? But then you said locallites should have preference.. So, why not bar anyone from outside of Bangalore District?? Better still ‘Bangalore urban’ taluk? Why only from outside of state?? In fact, How about insisting on people from Malleshwaram shouldn’t migrate and work in Jayanagar?

2. Should Mangaloreans insist on anyone who can’t speak Tulu being kicked out in 6 months? What will happen to all Kannada speaking govt. officers in Mangalore? So, it is ok not to speak Tulu in Mangalore – Because, Mangalore belongs to Karnataka? But, then Karnataka belongs to India too… Karnataka doesn’t have a seperate constitution, thru which we all derive our citizenship rights. So, where do we draw the line?

3. Mumbai and Delhi have far higher amount of business opportunities than in Bangalore. Ask any business man targetting all India market – His sales target for Bangalore won’t even be 25% of what it is for Mumbai/Delhi. So, does our ‘locallite’ philosophy mean a Bangalore businessman should loose out on those markets? Afterall he isn’t a localite there?? If he can go ply his trade there, why not a laborer? After all he is plying his trade too?

I have encountered worst form of parochialism/castism in UP. They insisted on knowing my complete name (My complete name only has a name of a place, rather than being an indicative of caste). I told them that is my complete name and then they blatantly asked me what caste do I belong to!, Then the govt. officials there wanted my presentation and Q&A to be in Hindi. I don’t speak hindi well, and struggled in the process.

I didn’t understand why people who can’t understand english should be in an vendor evaluation panel for a high-tech project in the first place. But, then I realized – all of them understood English, but couldn’t speak fluently enough because they would never speak anything other than Hindi.. So, they force others to follow suit so they don’t need to feel awkward trying to speak english.. Obviously my presentation will get lesser scoring than someone who can speak Hindi well..

The reason why we have so many Bimaru workers in Bangalore/Mumbai etc. is because they find the wages offered attractive. The local workers don’t find the same wage attractive as they have better avenues to earn better income. How can that be bad for local workers? Ask any building contractor today, he’d tell you that he can’t get local workers for those work at all! Almost all of them have learnt driving and have moved on to call center vehicles and the likes. If we were to kick out all the migrant laborers then most infrastructure projects in Bangalore will stutter.

Swalpa Dodda Manassu madidare Jagatthella Namma mane, yellaroo nammavare yenisuttade.. We may not like them all the time, but we can’t deny they have same rights as us to be here. Not unless Karnataka (or Bangalore) declares freedom, succeeds from India and forms a seperate constitution giving a new meaning to citizenship.

I don’t understand this revulsion towards outsiders. Honestly, if all the outsiders in Bangalore/Mumbai would wither away. What will be left of Bangalore/Mumbai if all the outsiders leave? What will remain? Just some government officers, police officers, maids and politicians. There will be liternally nothing left.

Whatever Bangalore/Mumbai are is because of outsiders. They came there and made those cities what they are today. Its not the locals alone who did it. Its the outsiders who “built” these cities. Its they who they came and sweated it out. Dogs will weep, dear locals, if these outsiders were to abandon these places. Dogs will weep dear locals, dogs will weep.

Remember: its the locals of B’lore/Mumbai who should be grateful to the outsiders grateful that they came, grateful that they invested, grateful that they chose to set up base here and give employment and it is you who should be grateful that they came here-Not the other way around.

Why should Bihari come till here. Why don’t they develop patna? Do you know the impact they do to fertile plains of their state and their family ; their near and dear ones?
Half have become taxi-drivers in Mumbai; while if patna was developed they would have contributed sizeable GDP. Urbanization is also to be reduced. I am happy for all the traffic jams and delay in so called development stage of our ooru because in this way we can stop centralization that every one have to come here. Obviously a Gujarati like Tata or Kiran Majumdar would think otherwise for their obscure ways of living and dying with money.

The same applies to all migrants. Why migrate? We are not in medieval ages where migrant people travel for months leaving their wives to prositution.
We are in the era where people should understand that wherever they are brought up they should own responsibility of developing it than flying off to unknown destination just because a NRN is providing VISA’s for them to abandon their families.

For the surname thing you mentioned I have also had similar experience to share not in UP but in Europe. When I told them it’s better without a surname than Europeans who even use Bastard as one of surname !!

Simply arrogant arguments will not solve any problems.It is true that anybody can work anywhere but locals should always get the priority.Otherwise we will not be different from british.every state govt. should make some reservations to give priority to locals.In Singapore only citizens get priority in each and every walk of life including housing,education health care etc.Foreigners should pay much much more for everything.We cant question them.because we r guests here .We have to respect the place and culture and sentiments of local population .

Sensible Indian: You are talking about a different country and citizenship here. We are talking about Indian rural-urban migrants.

Proud Indian:
>its the locals of B’lore/Mumbai who should be grateful to the outsiders

Why should anyone be grateful for something that someone does out of his own interests? I live part of my time in Hyderabad on work, and I don’t see why they locals should be grateful. I am doing what I do out of my self interest, not with any great sense of charity.

Bottom line, migration is part of modern economy. An average American worker lives in 8 cities in his lifetime. That reflects in the dynamism of USA. It is part of a modern system that people go work at places where their work is most valued and they can get best possible returns for their contribution.

Anything that stops them from doing so, should only be done through law, and there can be no law within India which restricts their movement (not until we accept Indian constitution and Republic).

Whether Tulu or other langauges are based on Kannada is not relevant.. Dodda Manassu Madidre Most Indian languages can be found to be inter related and all have common roots (in fact, most Indo-European languages do too).

My point is rather simple: We can’t forcibly say, Bihari’s can’t come here or there. I am not saying they should, or that Bihar shouldn’t be developed. My thinking is just simple. I accept the oneness of India, and I can’t reject the rights of fellow Indian.

If I did so, then other Indian’s can reject my rights too..

As Martin Niemöller said in his great poem “…Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out…”

Harkol (among others),
Please stop for awhile and get the main point of discussion here.

We were not talking about migrants being barred or allowed here.
What we were talking about was migrants in a state required to learn the state’s language in order to win jobs. You’ve totally digressed to your imaginary world where people talking about language are assumed to be “kicking” people out of the state. That is the problem in your argument, I feel.

But I’d like to warn – a guy who has obtained domicile of a particular state (after 15yrs) and still not made attempts to learn the language used in majority of the state, is failing – both on his duties, and to himself. Regardless of his job, he can definitely lead a far better life if he learnt whatever bits and pieces of the local language – which is an accepted truth here.

And if you read my previous comment on this very page, you should have also read that, come what may, and whatever comments you & I may pass here, those taxi drivers that learn the local language will only be able to “make it.” So it is in the best interests of MH people to give permits in the first place, to only those who will be able to make it!

i fully endorse the decision to make it compulsory to know the local language simply becos I view it as a necessary skill set to perform the job…

what i actually find discrminatory is the 15 yr domicile rule.. can someone explain how this can be justifiable?..i dont think there is any place on earth having such a criteria for securing a job.. forget the job market even for permanent residency you wont find such a criteria.. am actually disappointed that not one commenter has talked abt this and instead all focus seems to be on the language criteria which I feel is easily justifiable whichever way you look at it..

and what is this constant comparison with how other countries conduct their business and apply rules for their citizens..why cant we have local solutions for local problems?..we all know that India is a country like no other and still we feel it appropriate to import solutions from other more homogenous countries…perhaps the use of the westminster model to frame our constitution and establish our democratic edifices was the biggest blunder on these lines…

the reality of India is that states have been created on linguistic basis and each state is jingoistic abt its own language for this very reason – its identity lies there…so where is the discrepancy in imposing a language in an administrative unit created by that sole consideration?..

if one wants to ignore this reality and talk of the new reality of market forces, free trade and some new imaginary unity we will first have to re-organise our states based on some other criteria but definitely not by language…

btw,to some commentors fearing breaking up of the country by such decision – where is the question of breaking up the country by imposing a state langauge in its own state when the country is already divided by langauage in the first place??

Even in India in some states u cannot buy house or land in a state even if u stayed there for life time.I was working in Sikkim.That state get so much grant from central govt.Even BEL (Bengaluru) helps there to set up semiconductor plants there and gives orders to these companies. Still other Indians except Sikkimese cannot own property there.But mos(affluent)t N-E people own properties in Bengaluru,even estates in Kodagu,That is also India, why u people cant question there?why u people bother about only bambay and bangalore

Attitude is the problem, I think. Many from cow belt areas think that their language is supreme etc etc and THE national language of the country and try to impose on locals. They refuse to learn the local language even after staying for centuries there. That’s a big probelm. avaru talegalalli mannu thumbide anukollithini.
Once upon a time, bengaluuru railway station porters used to speak many laguages: Kannada, Telugu, Tamil, Hindi, Marathi and even a bit of English. So were the auto-drivers. But few years ago, bengaluurali auto hattidare, auto driver kannadabrodilla antha hindiyalli helutthane!

The point of dividing states on linguistic basis was to encourage and protect minority languages, not to punish economic migrants.

This policy of the Maharashtra Government is aimed at punishing economic migrants in the guise of “protecting” marathi.

It is a fallacy to say that Marathi is essential to the job of plying taxis in a Marathi speaking state because:

a. the essential skill to driving taxis is knowing the city and driving safely, whereas knowledge of the local language would be useful, but not vital. Frankly, in a foreign city, who would you prefer as a tourist? A safe driver with rudimentary English or an unsafe driver with great English skills?

b. A majority of Indians are at least bilingual, i.e., know their own mother tongue or some mix of a Hindi/English/another local language.

c. The earlier rules accommodated those who could communicate sufficiently in any one of the common languages and there was no need to tamper with the same.

Had the Maharashtra govt. paid for and given benefits to those drivers who were fluent in Marathi (apart from say, Hindi or English), there would be no problems because that would be encouraging the use and growth of Marathi among non-Marathis in that state.

It is however, grossly unfair to demand that all new Taxi drivers should be Marathi speaking, when I don’t really see commuters up in arms over non-communicative taxi drivers.

If you would like to carefully look at the whole discussion, wouldn’t you notice quite a few contradictions in here?

On one hand many of us think that communism is the mother of all evils and capitalism is THE new religion. But then we get into lot of intellectual acrobatics to say while Capital is welcome to flow freely the free flow of labour/people is unwelcome. Which is to say we are not in favour of ‘classical’ capitalism.

It looks as if we are singing an ode to Nehruvian hangover of ‘mixed’ model – but only in a warped way ie Capital ok but labour not ok.

Similarly I know lot of us over here are fiercely nationalistic and love India. However which is this ‘India’ hat we love? What’s or mental picture of this India? Because in the same board you would see many of the nationalists raising the pitch of parochialism.

Again look at the issue carefully. Probably the dissent would have been muted if the Govt. of Maha had decreed that all those folks who settle down in the state or who take up a job must necessarily learn the native language within a specified time say 2-3-5 years. That’s not the case here. You are completely pre-empting any new entrants even if they would be willing to do that ie earn while learning the native language. Isn’t that subversion of rights and subversion of the rules of the game?

Yes, there is distinct unease about the deluge of outsiders in many parts of India. However one can’t go about decreeing about it in a ham-handed manner. The only way to do that would be some national/regional parties to fight the next general elections on that plank and getting the constitution suitably modified to reflect the new realities or threats. In such a scenario, states can be given such powers to promulgate their own rules to safeguard the local interests.

This would obviously result in a weaker center and stronger states. Is this the idea of India that we have or would like to see? Well if that’s what majority of Indians say, so be it. But before that if we break the rules of engagement, then we are guilty.

I have not seen any/many auto driver/s in bengaluru who say they dont know kannada. If they try speaking to me in hindi, i chide them and ask them to speak to everyone in kannada first – but beyond this, i think 100% of the auto drivers know kannada. only kannada first should be made their policy.

This policies of cross subsidisation and encouragement of migration for vote bank politics and to cover up inefficiencies (incapabilities) is what will break India and not by demanding legitimately to be a Roman when in Rome as what Maharashtra Govt is asking for .

All the “Proud Indians” who claim to have made Mumbai/BengaLuru what it is today should look back at why they were attracted to these cities and felt so repelled from their “paradise” states in the first place. The answer is -The easiest way to make money is to be where there is already money. Why struggle in their respective BIMARU states with sick politicians, why struggle to develop every state in India….Today its MAH, tomorrow KA, then AUSTRALIA and then some new territory as long as there is easy money.No wonder, in India people make money primarily through arbitration alone….and not through actually genuine intellectual stuff by cheaply immitating only certain aspects of the US and not those that matter.

U r very mistaken. Bangalore is not what it is because of outsiders. Bangalore was is will be one of the best cities. Did u know that Bangalore had electricity in 1906? First in Asia. Not cos of outsiders. Bangalore had many industries before IT. The development of Bangalore can be attributed to Vishveshwarayya, Mysore Kings and many more visionaries of Karnataka. Not the outsiders. The IT industry is so good in Bangalore because of Narayanamurthy.. He is Kannadiga, Mysorean.. not an outsider. Bangalore is good in BT cos of Kiran Majumdar, she is also Banglorean.. not outsider.
I do not understand why people who have migrated here always like to claim that they developed Bangalore. If tht was the case, why dont they stay back in their own town/village/state and make it developed like Bangalore. These people forget that they came to Bangalore cos they cud get a job here not tht they came here n created it. Any one going to US does not say I’m going to US to develop it, then why this attitude towards Bangalore and Mumbai? If u r not sure of this, then please leave Bangalore and go, then u can see tht Bangalore did not crumble down cos “outsiders” went out

I have no disagreement with what you are saying, and I respect Narayanamurthy and hold him in the highest esteem. But, it would be wrong to say Bangalore is an IT city because of him. Narayanamurthy is a great visionary and a businessman. He’d have set his company in any place where he felt he’d thrive. He did contribute (a lot) in enhancing the reputation of Bangalore. But, he set up his business in Bangalore because Bangalore was already a knowledge city and he could find abundant ecosystem for his business here…

The credit for the development of knowledge industries in and around Bangalore should go to many people from pre & post independence era. The defence, aeronatic establishments, Research Institutes, the govt. efforts to make Bangalore and surrounding areas an engineering hub, lately active push given by Gundu Rao and Hegde govts in Early 80s… So many reasons..

One can’t deny there are Non-Kannadigas who made great contributions as well..

-What about Premji? He started wipro even before Infy…
-What about CV Raman? He made Bangalore his home and established a research Institute about 60+ years back?
-What about Jemshedji Tata who established Tata Institute (present day IISc) more than 100years back, which is the premier most institute of fundamental sciences in India today?
– What about HAL which was originally founded by Walchand Hirachand ?
– What about Vikram Sarabahai, who founded ISRO with Bangalore as its HQ?

There are so many non-kannadiga’s who have contributed to the growth of Bangalore as India’s silicon valley.. It’d be wrong to say “outsiders” haven’t made big contributions…

A good example of advantage of positive immigration is USA. It is what it is today because of its open arms to talent and sweat from all across the world.

Immigration is a result of opportunity – People come here because the ecosystem lets them thrive. The only way to stop it is – to stop Bangalore from being attractive!! Why would we want to do that?

Any artificial measures are not possible under our constitution and neither desirable. I have seen first hand how inhuman Chinese system is and mark my words, that system will not be sustainable in the long…

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Kavitha/Sandhya:

Do you think Rural/Urban migration is ok? I mean is it OK for a Kannada speaking person from say “Siddhapura” to migrate to Bangalore, since he is a domicile of Karnataka??

If you feel that’s ok – Why so? After all “If they had more brain than teeth they should stay back” and develop their home village? Why come to Bangalore?

While at it, do consider – if you were born and brought up in Bangalore? If so, how about your parents and their parents? If it was OK for you/your parents to migrate to this city, why is it not ok for someone else?

And if your argument is for barring inter state migration, then would you support a state assembly resolution succeeding Karnataka from India? If that’s too far fetched, how about a constitutional amendment requiring people to have Visas/workpermit to travel/work within their own country?

More importantly – Do you consider Businesses founded by non-kannadigas to be desirable within Karnataka?

If so, what is your definition of a Business? Why a person selling sun-shades near a traffic junction not a businessman? What if he is from Bihar?

If Non-Kannadiga Businesses are not welcome, what do you propose to do with IBM, Accenture, Philips, Motorola, Intel, Cisco, Microsoft etc.?? Kick them out?

If you can successfully bring in rule against Immigrants – Where do you draw the line for non-allowance for immigrant workers? At a level of Rs.1,00,000 a month salary? Rs.10,000 salary? Or at Rs.5000/month?

If you can draw a line at all then what you are talking about isn’t a principle, but about class discrimination.

If you are talking on principle – and no immigrant worker should come in, then we’ll have 80% of companies in Bangalore bolting out, as they’ll have people in their senior management who would’ve migrated in. Think of your own organization, and think of senior folks (15+ years).. There will be good percentage of non-kannadigas there.. Try Forcing companies to remove them and they’ll find Bangalore unsuitable to do business and pull out.

China had barred inter provincial Migration till about 1980 through ‘Hukou’ system.. Its growth rate was abysmal in those years. It progressively relaxed the system to allow better freedom of movement and saw its foreign investment and growth soar..

However, even today without a registered household in the city, a migrant can’t take up an employment within a city. This leads to huge exploitation and that system is cruel. This system is bound to collapse, as it is more of a class system than anything else. A person from well to do family can establish a household (thru rental or otherwise), and obtain work permit. A person who can’t afford it, can not…

Mind you this is the affair in an authoritarian, communist country. Even there they haven’t been able to stop migration, in spite of cruel laws. What chance do we have in India?

You are absolutely right that the migration would only stop when BIMARU develops to provide good opportunity. But, then do remember, Bihar, Bengal were the most progressive states in India a century back, and some of our relatives may have migrated there in search of better prospects in those days!! Just as you and I may have relatives who have migrated to USA for better prospects.

When majority of local marathi speaking population are into Govt job and prefer local train/bus over taxi. Why should taxi drivers care about marathi speaking population.
Most of the taxi runs in south mumbai where autos are banned and this area is filled with rich n famous, mostly gujrati n parsi. They perfer hindi/gujrati/english over marathi. To server their customer better, they speak hindi n gujrati.

By the way, Ashok Chavan has now gone back on this and now included hindi and gujrati also to get taxi permit.

Infosys was one of the first Indian companies, the rest followed. As u mentioned, the rest cud follow in Bangalore because of the policies of Karnataka government. I have no problem acknowledging something but I have a problem with every tom, dick and harry from another state claiming tht “Bangalore was nothing before we came here. We developed it”
I also feel that tier 2 cities such as Dharwada, Hubli, Mangalore etc shud also get their share of industries so tht people of tht region can get employment without having to come to Bangalore. Now Kannadigas of these cities dont claim tht they developed Bangalore. They feel proud of Bangalore like every other true Bangalore.
As u hv said, Sir C V Raman had made Bangalore his home. Tht is important. Premji came here cos of attractive policies (thts wht I think). Other wise he wud hv gone to more lucrative place. Same applies to others. My problem is with migrants who continue to take pride in calling themselves migrants.

And to answer rest of your question abt immigration and job allocation, I wud like to see Sarojini Mahishi varadi to be implemented. I guess that report covers pretty much all the things that u mention keeping in ming the national integration without sacificing Karnataka’s development.
It is no secret tht most companies in Bangalore today hire people mostly on basis of their mother tongue or their native state. Most Kannadigas are losing out not due to lack of talent, but due to discrimination. I do not think this is good for India as a whole. I do not have any way to change the minds of people who want to hire someone just because they speak their language. Trust me on this, I hv myself gone thru this discrimination.
Please suggest wht is to be done abt this since sarojini Mahishi varadi has been pending from being implemented from very long.

Forgot one more point:
U say “USA is what it is due to immigration”
May be, but it has no culture of its own. I and Many other Bangaloreans wud not like Bangalore to lose it identity oin name of uncontrolled development. At the same time, why not look at France or Japan.. They did not need migration to make themselves what they are. They made use of their resources and worked hard. There are many small European countries which are well developed even without immigration. SO it wud not be right to think tht only migration will allow development.

Wipro setup its computer business in Bangalore 4 years before Infosys was even founded.

>Bangalore was nothing before we came here. We developed it”

I wonder who says this, for they’re so wrong. An ecosystem develops because of various factors, not any one individual or factor. As you mentioned somewhere, Bangalore getting electricity 100 years back would’ve been one of those factors..

The reality of our world is that no person is indispensable or seldom the only reason for a evolution/revolution. Even the greatest personalities are creatures of their environment.. Gandhi wouldn’t have been what he was if it wasn’t for the environment he was born into.. Malcom Gladwell brings this out very well in his recent book “outliers”. So, any one claiming the above is ignorant, arrogant and is idiotic beyond belief.

>I and Many other Bangaloreans wud not like Bangalore to lose it identity

Identity, as with other attributes, is not static. Bangalore wasn’t capital of Karnataka, but today is identified as one. Bangalore was a ‘retirement city’ before it was ‘IT city’. As with everything else in life, identity too changes with time. It isn’t so much loosing it, it is just evolving, just as we aren’t loosing our lives – we are just evolving with years.

Change being a constant, and modern rapid change provides “future shock” (as argued by Toffler in his seminal work in 1970). London has transformed in the past 50years, so has paris or Tokyo.. Shanghai in just about 20years! All these places still have their distinct culture, identity. It is just that our minds get stuck in Bangalore of 70s.. :-(

>Sarojini Mahishi Varadi…

While most of this report is praiseworthy, it does become a bit parochial when it mentions “Karnataka jobs for Kannadigas”.. In modern economy there is no such thing as “Karnataka jobs” “USA jobs” etc. There are jobs, and there are people who can carry them out.. These people may not even be in same continent leave along other narrower identities.

But, I do agree with you – in some places, some people do follow nepotism and discrimination of the worst kind. But, this can’t be fought with a discrimination of another kind. :-(

All I request of everyone is to take a deep breath, close eyes and think of ourselves as a single nation and every Indian as fellow citizen.

One of the solutions, as you rightly pointed, is to develop 20-30 Bangalores across India. It is estimated that by 2030, above 50% of India will reside in cities. By 2050, that’s expected to be above 70%.

Our existing cities are clearly inadequate to handle this kind of migration. We need more cities to grow, instead of just 7-8 top cities. Hopefully, some of these new mega-cities will be in BIMARU states.

DailyBread: Sariyagi Helidiri marayare. Ondhe problem. Indian laws should be changed not to allow indiscriminate acquisitions by Govt. Instead, it should put forth a mechanism where the land-loosers will hold stake in these township/SEZs and can gain when they start making big money… Current model is a blueprint for mega corruption.

And… I don’t think you need to know Marathi to be in Lavasa.. And Lavasa is certainly a great model.

I don’t understand this revulsion towards outsiders. Honestly, if all the outsiders doing jobs in Bangalore-from cleaning toilets and breaking stones to running IT companies and malls were to suddenly leave Bangalore would wither away. All the industries would translocate to neighbouring TN/AP/Guj.

What will be left of Bangalore if all the outsiders leave? What will remain? Just some government officers, police officers, maids and politicians. There will be liternally nothing left.

What is the difference between Bangalore and Tumkur, Hubli, Dharwad, Belgaum? It’s outsiders. It’s these outsiders who came to Bangalore when it was a small, sleepy town and then demanded facilities which they were used to back home. These facilities came up because they spent money and thus these facilities came up. Do you see those malls, multiplexes, shopping complexes, night clubs and so on? Why did they come up? Because of outsiders spending money and generating jobs for locals as a result.

Get rid of outsiders at your own peril. If all the outsiders leave there will precious little left in Bangalore.

Try to understand. Outsiders get the well-paying jobs and then spend money on buying houses, clothes, food etc. As a result, they generate jobs for piss-poor locals from Hassan, Ramanagara, Hosur to come and earn money as maids, drivers, sweepers, cooks, cleaners, security guards and so on. In turn, when outsiders buy houses it generates jobs for poor north Kannadigas. Shetty resteraunt owners are able to earn income from the money spent by non-Kannadiga software engineers.

If tomorrow Bangalore is hit by a terrorist attack who do you think will come to defend it? It’s Bhaiyya and Bihari commandos. Yet you have the audacity to talk about influx?

As for mass migration, well brother, global talent flows everywhere. Kannadigas migrate to the US/UK/Russia and Biharis migrate to KA. You can’t complain about mass migration-it’s part of the global labour flow. Just as capital and enterprise can be mobile, so too can labour be. Biharis and other outsiders have every right to migrate to Karnataka in as large numbers as they want-whether 100,1000,10000, 100000 or whatever. It’s their country as much as it’s yours.

Bangalore belongs to all Indians, not just Karnataka or Kannadigas. Every Indian has a right to migrate to Bangalore and live and make a living there. Those who oppose this should be lined up and shot. They are as bad as Jinnah.

Those who oppose mass migration oppose the very idea of India. It is shocking and unacceptable that Kannadigas argue that Karnataka belongs to them. There is no place for such bigoted and facist Nazi-like thinking. Those who oppose the idea of Kannadigas becoming a minority in Karnataka imply that KA is their posession.

Keep in mind: without India, Karnataka will be no better than Bhutan or Nepal. If all the non-Kannadiga software engineers leave, IT will collapse. If all the non-Kannadiga enterpreneurs leave Bangalore will be deserted.

@Proud Indian/Proud Bihari
“If tomorrow Bangalore is hit by a terrorist attack who do you think will come to defend it? It’s Bhaiyya and Bihari commandos”
Have you heard about Cariappa. He is the Appa of all Bhaiyyas.

commandos here don’t speak hindi; hence they are underground without central jobs. you should again thank them for the sacrifice.
since you have said I won’t make a mistake of generalizing on Manjunath Shanmugam’s or Satyendra Dubey’s end in Bihar.

“Kannadigas migrate to the US/UK/Russia and Biharis migrate to KA”
Yes the only difference is we speak english/russian and never fight for their jobs; on the other hand Bihari never tries to learn anything just like a Tamil (who though likes English to write cock and bull stories of classical tamil) – the only unifying factor being many are cheap labourers;some cunning ones.

it’s said a person who speaks many languages is multilingual
who speaks two is bilingual
and who speaks one is tamil./ it’s time to add bihari to it.

if migrants learn local language ,speak and mix and gel with local population , don’t snatch their jobs politically,learn from them and teach them ,share wisdom with an open but careful mind they no longer will be migrants – thus even erasing manu’s colour code.

Proud Sick head Indian
You are testing the patience of all Kannadigas here. U have no right to compare Kannadigas fighting for their rights in their own land to Nazis or Jinna. U r a sick head. DOnt have a false impression tht all kannadigas in Bangalore are only maids. Dont assume tht all SEs in Bangalore are outsiders. I’m a software engineer, a Kannadati, an Indian. Go read Alur Venkata roa’s books, learn some history. Kannadigas existed in India even before independence in Bangalore. U r wrong even about shopping malls. A survey conducted by times of India has shown tht Kannadigas have higest purchasing power in Bangalore malls unlike the poor migrators.
How wud u like ur mother tongue n ur culture(if u hv any) to have been destroyed totally by the british. If u love ur mother land, u ll understand why some people are crying foul here else U cant. U r just a materialistic person who belongs no-where… not even fit to be called a human being

This would be a wrong approach to argue the issue of Freedom of Movement within India. You’ll gain nothing by using a confrontationist approach in such matters… Try using logic instead.

People who are voicing concerns about migrations (especially flood of economic migrants from poorer states) have a valid point of view. It isn’t audacity, but just exercising their freedom of expression. They may not have an entirely appropriate solution to the problem, but no one can deny there does exist a problem.

And you are wrong about Bangalore going to the dogs if all outsiders left.. It’ll morph and perhaps become industrially retarded (like Bengal is today).. But, it won’t be ruined. Calcutta still survives, and is still a metro..

Bangalore’s growth rate will come down to lowly single digit percentage. Do realize there is a good section of the people in Karnataka who’d prefer that to the manic growth that Bangalore has witnessed. If you have lived in Bangalore for long enough you’d be able to relate to their sentiments. I have been here for 25 years and have seen Bangalore infrastructure go to the dogs.

And Mind you – history shows that South India (Maratha and Vijayanagar kings) resisted the Foreign Invaders more successfully than North. Martial history of South India in past 1000 years is rivaled only by the Mughal Empire (which strictly speaking was of a Mongolian descent). So, your argument of Bhaiyyas being this great defenders of India is without basis.

There is nothing like a migrant here or a local. There is no identity like being “Kannadiga” or being a “migrant”. There is ONE COUNTRY called India. Within it all boundaries are just manmade. Hence Kannadigas have no right to call “Biharis” as “migrants”. Please understand there are NO MIGRANTS. There are ONLY INDIANS. A Bihari migrant to Karnataka is moving within his own country. There is nothing like “our state” and “your state”. Hence it is meaningless to say Biharis must respect “our state”. Your state is not yours. There is nothing like “your state” “my Karnataka.”
There is One India. All are Indians FIRST and LAST. Keep your Kannadiga/Marathi identity in your house. Outside we are only Indians only Indians-Indians FIRST and LAST.

It isn’t audacity, but just exercising their freedom of expression….

No they aren’t. They are saying things which are unconstituional. They are saying things which go against the Indian nation, Indian oneness. India is my country and I have no sympathy for anyone dividing it. For me anyone saying “our state” and “our Karnataka” and “outsiders should respect Kannada and its culture” is anti-national no better than Taliban/Kasab/Pakistani soldiers.
That way even Pakistani terrorists are exercising their right to freedom of expression!

but no one can deny there does exist a problem…..

What problem? You should be grateful that outsiders are flocking to your places. Bangalore didn’t become rich because it fell from heaven. It became rich because people came from outside and with their sweat and blood made it rich, armed with nothing but an ability to work hard. That’s what politicians need to teach the locals. Not indulge in son-of the soil statements. They need to make them good enough to survive in competition no matter what. Instead of that you have corrupt police officers/auto drivers/government employees/politicians/unemployed youth who sit around on the nukkad and take hefty bribes and are rude to the very people who pay them bribes. They sit around spitting gutka/paan and cribbing about “outsiders” not realising about

People who consider their own countrymen mass migrating as a problem should be lined up and shot. They are no better than Taliban in my opinion. They are your countrymen.

For me somebody migrating to B’lore from Darbhanga is no different from somebody migrating from Karwar to B’lore. If someone from Jaunpur migrates to B’lore he is just the same as somebody from Mysore. If you can spit such venom on your own countrymen then you deserve contempt.

“Kannadigas migrate to the US/UK/Russia and Biharis migrate to KA”
Yes the only difference is we speak english/russian and never fight for their jobs…

Did you come out of Karnataka’s womb? Is it your father’s property? You talk about “respecting the hosts… huh huh!” I don’t think Kannadigas popped out of the KA earth. Is Karnataka your jaagir? You too were migrants from Tumkur/Bellary/Raichur.

Tomorrow if so many Mallus/Marathis/Gujjus/Northies migrate to B’lore that Kannadigas become a minority well brother they are as migrants as you are. You don’t have any right to protest-you were a migrant too.

My man India is one country. I am migrating from one part of India to the other, be it from district to district, state to state or even enmass migration between states.

in their own land….there is ONE LAND. INDIA. I don’t know what you mean by “own land.” Is it your property?

,speak and mix and gel with local population , don’t snatch their jobs politically,learn from them and teach them ,share wisdom with an open but careful mind they no longer will be migrants…

What do you define as local? Local means everyone who has contributed to B’lore. That includes Mallus/Tams/Telugus/Northies/Gujjus/Sindhis/etc. They have sweated here for the development of this city. Do you see the people who are building your airport? Do you see the people dining in expensive resteraunts? Slaving in Wipro/TCS/Infosys/? Who set up companies? Who are building your metro rail? Who sell paani-puri/ragda patties/waiters? What about the painters/carpenters/drivers/cooks/cleaners? How about the school teachers? The students in your capitation colleges? They are locals too.

Bangalore infrastructure go to the dogs…Its your politicians (100 % Kannadigas) and your babus (100 % Kannadigas) who are to blame for that. They should have planned for it. Make B’lore a UT; remove it from these corrupt/self-serving/inefficient KA politicians whose loyalty lies to other districts/towns/hoblis and make it a UT wherein the CM is from B’lore and his loyalty is to B’lore and see how things improve. The problem is the CM/Ministers come from other parts of KA and their loyalty is for those places. If the CM is from B’lore than wait and see.

So, your argument of Bhaiyyas being this great defenders of India is without basis….

Ask any of your Coorgi mates in the armed forces and they will tell you: Northies dominate the army, navy and to a lesser extent-air force. They
keep you safe from Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Chinese. They are the reason why you are able to sit at home and watch TV safely.

I have ONE mother-land: INDIA. Everything within it is mine. I don’t recognize any state/district/taluk borders. They are merely for administrative purposes.
I have ONE national language: HINDI. HINDI by virtue of being the national language is the mother tongue of all Indians. Hindi comes first whether your mother tongue is Hindi or not. If you’re a true Indian remember: Rashtra comes first-and Rashtrabhasha comes FIRST. Let your mother tongue be any language but Hindi must be given more importance than your mother tongue because we are INDIANS FIRST AND LAST.

it’s really funny to know how much two major theories can turn psyche of entire nation.
1. Invasion
2. Conversion

if we change the work to law in heading we can see this
now what happens to highest law body when asked distribute law to whole country- it’s not leadership; not monarchy ; not some secret agenda but transparent law applicable to all – even then law wants power.
as expected CJI rules out supreme bench anywhere. he places bengloor after the metro cities – saying metros are the utmost important – since British have ruled them. since he don’t approve to metros ; bengloor is out of question.http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/CJI-against-having-regional-SC-benches/articleshow/5518179.cms
Now he again is scared of distributing law; specially when Shylendra Kumar is exposing and questioning CJI’s morality publicly. CJI wants to sit at Delhi and monitor everyone. Reminds me of much more efficient class monitor who used to write names of noisy ones – in full view.

Coming back to free to work it seems people understand only when Doddanna speaks in English.

Now let us celebrate chhatt over this – Nitish , Maaya ,Sheila , Gehlot – Would be happy if Nitish and Sheila can reply (specially when SM Krishna would not be interested :) ) the same way as they do to MNS.

Now to interesting part – there are lot of implications here:

UK wants to increase regional tension by adding ghee to already burning issue dividing India again ;though we talk it in administrative regional terms , it takes oppurtunity before we reach a consensus and peacefully decide the regions ;to again initiate agreements and before any regional talks start the divide and rule again. The Churchill is still alive.
With Ambanis and NRNs giving lessons from London; and Bachchan Shahruk porn khan statues erected there; no wonder whole governance could be shifted there.

“HINDI by virtue of being the national language is the mother tongue of all Indians.”
Ahem… FYIK Proud Indian, Hindi is official language of GOI, so is English. Hindi is not national language. The concept of national language is made up by you guys. Read this and stop yapping : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_language#Republic_of_India
And do I have to remind about what Karunanidhi did years ago, when GOI tried to impose hindi?

“Bangalore infrastructure go to the dogs…Its your politicians (100 % Kannadigas) and your babus (100 % Kannadigas) who are to blame for that.”
Why the word “your”? You call urself local right. Then please come out and vote my friend. Arent you responsible also?

“Hindi must be given more importance than your mother tongue.”
LOL. Go and say this to bunch of kongas. I bet you wont be alive. Dont try to impose your Hindi s**t on us. If you are here respect us and our culture. If you do not, you have other places to “migrate”.
As Doddi Buddi always says: “You need lobotomy.”

since me too studied in CBSE (almost hindi medium) i think the flaw lies in education;
we are told
“hindi hai hum hindi hai hum watan hai hindustaan hamaara”
( seeing congress luring minority it could have “urdu hai hum ….” or even “persian hai hum….”)
while hindi is majorly urdu and from history its pure invasion and conversion which they are teaching. it was so much hindi that even majority of malayali teachers were struggling to pronounce hindi words often murdering it :).

it’s very important to first start educating kids in proper way like
“Kos Kos par paani badle chaar kos par baani” specially when they are out of hindi belt.

it’s even more important to start educating veterans like NRN who are determined to make 51st state of US with English call centers.

the kids and veterans have similar tone – just one is oriented northwards another towards west.

Your posts itself shows how much you dont tolerate your fellow Indians and then you call yourself a proud Indian, what joke in the first place. Then coming to the outsiders point, outsiders come to the city for their benefit since they know that their place cannot give those benefits, it’s a joke to say otherwise, just a lie.

India is a federation of states and each state was formed keeping in mind the diversity, and also the power to the state governement to take care of the interests of the people. Each state has every right in the realm of the Indian country to do that. and this applies to all states.

While noone denies the rights to the migrants, no one talks of their duties. how nice isnt it ? I have this right, that right. How come no one says I have this duty. rights and duties are 2 faces of the coin out of which only one is spoken and seen. the duty of the migrant is also to become part of the place where one is settled. Guess talking about duties is painful since as a fellow Indian you cant appreciate the diversity of your own Indian culture.

Kannadigas have been at the forefront of working for Karnataka and seeing the development the others came here. There are outsiders who became Kannadigas in due course of time and no one has a problem with them, the problem lies with you people who cannot accept fellow Indian culture and come and talk yourself up.

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” I have ONE national language: HINDI ”

The high court of a state has rubbished that nonsense. True lies and nonsense. you people cant accept other languages and you want others to blindly listen to the crap you write. Go present this nonsense and see how foolish you are in the knowledge of your own consitution of India. calling yourself Indian when you dont know one important aspect of Indian consitution.

The high court of a state has rubbished that nonsense. True lies and nonsense. you people cant accept other languages and you want others to blindly listen to the crap you write. Go present this nonsense and see how foolish you are in the knowledge of your own consitution of India. calling yourself Indian when you dont know one important aspect of Indian consitution.