He seems to be as much of an asshole as I am. lol. I don't know about his ctmu , and its probably more than I can bother myself to look into right now. but his philosophies, as dickheaded as they come across are a lot like mine. Though I would never go around boasting how much smarter I am than other people. I think once you have decided that you are the smartest person alive, you have willingly crippled your ability to learn any more than you already have, and there is always more to learn. It is illogical to assume that you are smarter than everyone else. His ego is the only thing bigger than his IQ score. Which may be why he hasn't gotten himself into a career where he could possibly influence the social changes he insist need to be in place. Book smarts are important. But social skills can take you places book smarts will never get you. Humility is something he seems to have no grasp of.

Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.

I wonder why people are obsessing over this guy, there are numerous individuals who have higher IQs than him "IMO his IQ is the only thing interesting enough for provocation to make him a sort of celebrity on youtube.". Adragon Del Mallo "incorrect spelling I imagine" Michael Kearny, or from earlier times, William Sidis. Langan is certainly intelligent, but I'm rather skeptical on the IQ test's ability to actually measure anything other than spatial/logical intelligences. I.E: Bobby Fischer, anti-semite, genius IQ in the 160s I believe. Ted Kaczynski, IQ of 167, you may know him better as the Unabomber. Leopold and Loeb, the first was rumored to have an IQ the equivalent of 210 "accuracy in the test falters in the higher numbers", and they went on to murder a 15 year old to see if they could commit the perfect crime. Langan may have a high IQ, but he wasn't intelligent enough to get a University degree so that scientists would take any of his work seriously.

I don't like this trend where people who can appeal to the largest base of the uneducated are suddenly uplifted as geniuses. Just because something makes sense to a large swath of the public does not mean it is intelligent. After all, we elected GW Bush TWICE.

Peter Higgs is a genius. A guy with a series of YouTube videos that happened to get a lot of views is not necessarily a genius.

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin

What is the point of this thread?
You have pushed Langan and his CTMU multiple times, in dedicated threads AND as inserts into existing threads.
In each case there has been sufficient feedback to convince anyone with an ounce of rationality/ intellectual integrity that Langan is wrong, is mistaken, is actively promoting a false conclusion based on a pre-existing agenda.

I had never heard of Chris Langan before this thread and having only seen the YouTube sited in this op is what I based my initial opinion of him on. I have now done further research into him and have decided that even though I have made some similar comments in regards to guiding human evolution, I only make my comments in private with people who know me to be only kidding. I assumed this was some kind of satire but now I realize this guy is serious and quite frankly if he ever came into power he would be very dangerous. He is a crank fanatic that seems to think anyone that doesn't believe like he does should be culled. His IQ scores were fraudulent and his attitude is nothing short of being a genocidal lunatic, in that he thinks only people like him should be allowed to live and breed. But he isn't as smart as he claims to be or he would have done something with his life other than be a bouncer at a bar. And anyone who genuinely believes that they are not better than anyone else would not allow a video glorifying them to be made. Nor would they make such pompous arrogant claims to be closer to actual truth than anyone else alive.

Anyone who buys his BS is a fool.

So I have to retract that he and I are alike, having based that initial summation on the assumption that he was kidding (I always give people the benefit of the doubt). This guy has delusions of grandeur and the only thing we probably have in common is that his IQ is probably comparable to mine which is somewhere between 135-145. I think that is average, I'm not sure, could just be I don't associate with extremely stupid people much.

Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.

Yeah, i didn't know what you were referring to at first since I wasn't aware he was attempting to sell anything. And didn't know ctmu was an attempt to prove intelligent design and/or the existence of God.

My IQ is probably comparable to his but at least I'm smart enough to know that I'm nothing near to being a genius.

Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.

The CTMU is a reality theoretic extension of logic and amodel for science in which perception itself is the model. It was developed by Christopher Langan in the mid-eighties as a theory for the purpose of paradox resolution and if you read his book The Art of Knowing you'll notice that Newcombs paradox is one of the paradoxes it solves.The CTMU describes reality as a language residing in the mind of God, more specifically a self-programming language or SCSPL, Self-Configuring Self-Processing Language. This linguistic object as it were is the essence of the self-generating aspect of reality, furthermore reality regresses to a realm of nil constraint known as UBT or unbound telesis. This is the primordial nothingness from which we originate.Reality refines itself from so called UBT by telic recursion, the currency of which is a property known as generalised utility in the maximization of which law and state must coexist.The CTMU can be viewed as the much awaited logical bridge between traditional religion, economics and modern science, although it doesn't necessecarily confirm any given cherry-picked claim biblical scripture.

The CTMU is a reality theoretic extension of logic and amodel for science in which perception itself is the model. It was developed by Christopher Langan in the mid-eighties as a theory for the purpose of paradox resolution and if you read his book The Art of Knowing you'll notice that Newcombs paradox is one of the paradoxes it solves.The CTMU describes reality as a language residing in the mind of God, more specifically a self-programming language or SCSPL, Self-Configuring Self-Processing Language. This linguistic object as it were is the essence of the self-generating aspect of reality, furthermore reality regresses to a realm of nil constraint known as UBT or unbound telesis. This is the primordial nothingness from which we originate.Reality refines itself from so called UBT by telic recursion, the currency of which is a property known as generalised utility in the maximization of which law and state must coexist.The CTMU can be viewed as the much awaited logical bridge between traditional religion, economics and modern science, although it doesn't necessecarily confirm any given cherry-picked claim biblical scripture.

The CTMU is a reality theoretic extension of logic and amodel for science

Oops.
That last word. There. THAT one.
"Science".
Langan is NOT doing science.
The CTMU's ONLY relationship to science is that he co-opts some scientific terms.
And then he adds a lot of meaningless buzz words.

in which perception itself is the model. It was developed by Christopher Langan in the mid-eighties as a theory for the purpose of paradox resolution and if you read his book The Art of Knowing you'll notice that Newcombs paradox is one of the paradoxes it solves.The CTMU describes reality as a language residing in the mind of God, more specifically a self-programming language or SCSPL, Self-Configuring Self-Processing Language. This linguistic object as it were is the essence of the self-generating aspect of reality, furthermore reality regresses to a realm of nil constraint known as UBT or unbound telesis. This is the primordial nothingness from which we originate.Reality refines itself from so called UBT by telic recursion, the currency of which is a property known as generalised utility in the maximization of which law and state must coexist.The CTMU can be viewed as the much awaited logical bridge between traditional religion, economics and modern science, although it doesn't necessecarily confirm any given cherry-picked claim biblical scripture.

The CTMU is a reality theoretic extension of logic and amodel for science in which perception itself is the model. It was developed by Christopher Langan in the mid-eighties as a theory for the purpose of paradox resolution and if you read his book The Art of Knowing you'll notice that Newcombs paradox is one of the paradoxes it solves.The CTMU describes reality as a language residing in the mind of God, more specifically a self-programming language or SCSPL, Self-Configuring Self-Processing Language. This linguistic object as it were is the essence of the self-generating aspect of reality, furthermore reality regresses to a realm of nil constraint known as UBT or unbound telesis. This is the primordial nothingness from which we originate.Reality refines itself from so called UBT by telic recursion, the currency of which is a property known as generalised utility in the maximization of which law and state must coexist.The CTMU can be viewed as the much awaited logical bridge between traditional religion, economics and modern science, although it doesn't necessecarily confirm any given cherry-picked claim biblical scripture.

Okay, so it IS hooey.Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

And what suspicions would that be? I'm assuming by the tone of your post that you're about to grace us with a theory of...

And what suspicions would that be? I'm assuming by the tone of your post that you're about to grace us with a theory of...[/QUOTE]

Upon first hearing this "theory", I thought it sounded like nonsense, but I couldn't be bothered to hear the whole thing out. Then, you came on with a summary that really helped me make up my mind that it was in my best interest not to listen to the whole video.

I'm just not a fan of metaphysics and pseudoscience.

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin

Conversely, I quite enjoy metaphysics and pseudoscience variously frustrates and amuses me.
What I don't like, however, is charlatanry and pushing a specious agenda while using both of the above.
That's why I'm not a Langan fan.

I guess it depends on my mood. I'm in a foul one right now, so I'm really sick of people twisting what science is really all about. First, we get flak from creationists for not buying into their stories, then the creationists start taking an approach toward topics that they want people to believe incorporates science when it clearly does not.

As a practicing scientist I am in favor of open-mindedness, comprehensiveness and for a search for truth. I'm not particularly religious myself, which is why I appreciate that the CTMU does not make any literalist claims or hokus-pokus.The CTMU is science, and I'd challenge anyone to specify something less than scientific about it.Just like any theory it's open to scientific scrutiny, which you guys seem coy about.Find me the particular bits of binary logic you disagree with and we'll have a discussion about it. I'm open for discussion.

Christopher Langan isn't talking about intelligent design in the sense that you're thinking about it. And yes, anything and everything can be construed as a word sallad, right?I'm pro-sallad. I'm against meaningless cussing and posturing though, and I abhor any kind of pseudoscience.The CTMU is a logical theory.

I'd challenge anyone to specify something less than scientific about it

Ooh, let's see...
"Furthermore, in keeping with the name of that to be modeled, it must meaningfully incorporate the intelligence and design concepts, describing the universe as an intelligently self-designed, self-organizing system."
In other words, my "proof" will incorporate, as part of its "proof", the assumption - nay! the NECESSITY - that ID is valid and correct.

Just like any theory it's open to scientific scrutiny

A "theory" is only open to scientific scrutiny if the word "theory" is meant in the scientific context. If it;'s used in the "wild guess" context (like this one is) then that creates an automatic cop-out from scientific scrutiny.

The most disconcerting aspect of this thread is the obliviousness. It's well-known that one's journey through life is completely independent of intellect. High intellect is inherently alienating. Social norms and expectations, as defined by the average population, are therefore incompatible with it. If Langan didn't come off minimally awry, impertinent or fatuous then it would be more likely that he's not genuine in this case. That's not justification for general insolence, but it's an explanation for social dissonance. Have you ever sat down and really tried getting to know someone who has an intellectual disability (i.e., IQ <70)? It's impossible to relate. Langan doesn't care how he comes off (despite being very aware), the same way we wouldn't care if the kindergartener next door disagreed with or misconstrued our conception of interpersonal relationships or views of the universe. The gap really is that big. I only have a Wechsler IQ of 148 and am not defensive about acknowledging that I wouldn't remotely be able to relate to Langan. I couldn't imagine how annoyed he probably was for most of his life whilst on the pedestrian, conformity route, before finally realizing that the smartest thing to do was to spend the bulk of his time in a bucolic place self-actualizing. His direction in life actually makes a lot of sense.