DS: it went well, the flow was good. The transcript+logs and extra comments will help to write a draft of the research note.

14:36:32 [shadi]

q+

14:36:34 [sloandr]

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14:36:37 [sharper]

ack sha

14:37:31 [shadi]

q- shawn

14:37:36 [shadi]

q+

14:37:48 [markel]

SLH: I appreciate the work of DS and the work we did together. We could effectively use more time. It's gonna be interesting to see how E4R will manage in 3 hours.

14:38:31 [sloandr]

+1 to shawn

14:38:35 [shadi]

ack me

14:38:35 [markel]

SLH: it is interesting to see how active was the IRC chat. Note that the IRC chat is timestamped while the transcript it isn't. It'd be great to put both together.

14:38:36 [sharper]

ack sha

14:38:48 [shawn]

q+ to ask (NOT NOW - at the end of the discussion) about the report input

14:40:15 [sloandr]

q+

14:40:38 [markel]

SAZ: kudos to SLH and DS. I am happy to see how well DS started in the group. I know that SLH and DS did a lot of work behind the scenes. I am looking forward to the guidance of good practices that can emerge from this experience so that future symposia can benefit from them.

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14:40:49 [sharper]

ack shaw

14:40:49 [Zakim]

shawn, you wanted to ask (NOT NOW - at the end of the discussion) about the report input

14:40:58 [shawn]

q+ to ask (NOT NOW - at the end of the discussion) about the report input

14:40:59 [sharper]

ack sloan

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14:42:55 [markel]

DS: just wanted to emphasise the need to balance a predefined structure that will shape the research note and the flow of the discussion. It is key to have a look to the coverage of the submissions and how it fit with the topics we deal with.

14:43:17 [Zakim]

+??P33

14:43:25 [shadi]

q+

14:43:32 [markel]

SH: I think it was really good: it was more conversational than discursive.

14:43:32 [shawn]

q- later

14:44:07 [sharper]

ack shadi

14:44:09 [Zakim]

+??P34

14:44:10 [shadi]

ack me

14:44:14 [markel]

SH: it was therefore easy to follow and may have increased the amount of comments in the IRC, making it more participatory.

14:44:24 [peter]

Zakim, ??p34 is me

14:44:24 [Zakim]

+peter; got it

14:44:32 [peter]

Zakim, mute me

14:44:33 [Zakim]

peter should now be muted

14:44:36 [kmatausc]

Zakim, ??p33 is me

14:44:36 [Zakim]

+kmatausc; got it

14:46:06 [shawn]

[ advanced planning: where do we want the discussion to go - objectives, goals for what we want for output of the discussion ]

14:46:16 [markel]

SAZ: different symposia have different style which may differ depending on the goal of each symposia. It was pretty clear that a clear line was being followed between the questions that arose on the fly and the ones already established. This responsiveness is good to have and can be planned if the goal is more exploratory.

14:46:24 [sharper]

q?

14:46:29 [sharper]

zakim, q?

14:46:29 [Zakim]

I see shawn on the speaker queue

14:46:46 [markel]

q+

14:46:52 [sharper]

ack mark

14:48:02 [shawn]

Markel: as said in mail, good. lots of effort to organize. went smoothly. personal preference: fewer people taking part.

14:48:08 [shadi]

q+

14:48:11 [shawn]

... somewhat confusing

14:48:14 [shawn]

q- later

14:48:36 [sharper]

ack shadi

14:48:36 [shawn]

... congratulate Shawn, Dave, Shadi

14:49:42 [shawn]

zakim, who is making noise?

14:49:47 [sharper]

q+

14:49:52 [markel]

SAZ: there is some benefit in having a smaller group but this requires to have the right people.

Markel: clarify - less people speaking. open to lots of (non-speaking) participants

14:56:10 [sharper]

ack sharper

14:56:15 [markel]

SH: any other question?

14:56:15 [shawn]

ack me

14:56:15 [Zakim]

shawn, you wanted to ask (NOT NOW - at the end of the discussion) about the report input

14:56:22 [sharper]

ack shawn

14:56:39 [shadi]

q+

14:57:07 [sharper]

ack shadi

14:57:14 [markel]

SLH: one of my questions about the report is: how much should papers and discussion inform the report?

14:58:10 [shawn]

s/how much should papers and discussion inform the report?/how much should the papers and discussion define the report? versus how much additional research should we incorporate?/

14:58:19 [markel]

SAZ: initially, we said that text customisation and E4R were related and the report would go together but we still haven't made a decision about that. It will depend on the outcomes of the next symposium.

14:58:42 [sloandr]

q+

14:58:47 [sharper]

ack david

14:58:52 [peter]

q+

14:59:02 [sharper]

ack sloan

14:59:08 [markel]

SAZ: regarding SLH's question, in previous notes editors were quite knowledgeable about the topic but generally the edition of the research note should mainly get the input from the symposium.

14:59:22 [Zakim]

-peter

15:00:06 [markel]

DS: in terms of drafting it will be easier if we have a close relationship with E2R

15:01:15 [shawn]

s/in terms of drafting it will be easier if we have a close relationship with E2R/probably better to have separate reports, yet clearly relate them to each other/

15:01:39 [Zakim]

+??P39

15:01:44 [peter]

Zakim, p39 is me

15:01:44 [Zakim]

sorry, peter, I do not recognize a party named 'p39'

15:01:53 [peter]

Zakim, ??p39 is me

15:01:53 [Zakim]

+peter; got it

15:01:58 [markel]

SH: I agree with SAZ, the symposium should feed the note but the intro, background or conclusions can add questions that were not raised in the symposium.

15:02:01 [sharper]

ack pete

15:03:03 [peter]

Zakim, mute me

15:03:03 [Zakim]

peter should now be muted

15:03:23 [shadi]

q+

15:03:29 [sharper]

ack shadi

15:03:31 [shawn]

q+ to ask for draft of mobile report to see how it is looking for input into the tc4r notes...

15:03:32 [shadi]

ack me

15:03:53 [markel]

PT: we have a number of notes coming up…do we want to keep the current structure or we prefer a more flexible view on it?

15:04:59 [shawn]

ack me

15:04:59 [Zakim]

shawn, you wanted to ask for draft of mobile report to see how it is looking for input into the tc4r notes...

15:05:00 [markel]

SAZ: keeping consistency would be better.

15:05:02 [sharper]

ack shawn

15:05:26 [peter]

(ambitious :-)

15:05:48 [markel]

SLH: we have started working on the note so that we can look at the mobile note at the same time.

15:06:35 [peter]

perfecto!

15:06:37 [markel]

SH: regarding the mobile note, it should be ready reasonably soon.

15:07:09 [peter]

We still have some editing to do etc.

15:07:24 [peter]

but so long as the note is sean as draft

15:08:00 [shawn]

q+ asks to see rough draft asap - to help inform the tc4r report writing next week

15:08:18 [shawn]

q+ to ask to see rough draft asap - to help inform the tc4r report writing next week :-)

15:08:20 [shawn]

q- asks

15:09:20 [markel]

SH: regarding the Mobile note we have the roadmap meeting where some experts will give some input. I wish forthcoming notes would do something similar

15:09:23 [shawn]

q-

15:09:31 [markel]

SH: we will share the Mobile note by Friday

15:09:57 [markel]

SLH: that'd be great so that we can look at both notes together

15:10:00 [sloandr]

thankyou simon

15:11:01 [markel]

zakim, next item

15:11:01 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "E2R Final Preparation (35m)" taken up [from klaus]

15:11:09 [Klaus]

zakim, unmute me

15:11:09 [Zakim]

Klaus should no longer be muted

15:11:11 [shawn]

zakim, mute me

15:11:11 [Zakim]

Shawn should now be muted

15:13:41 [shadi]

q+

15:13:49 [markel]

KM: I do hope that most of the things are said, the agenda is out there; thanks Shadi. We have prepared the questions; we will be under pressure considering the amount of people taking part but we are going to target specific presenters with specific questions as it was done in the previous symposium.

15:14:10 [markel]

SH: is all in place so far?

15:14:18 [kmatausc]

q+

15:14:27 [shadi]

q- later

15:15:01 [markel]

KM: everything is under control and has been taken into account. We have good materials from DS and SLH to prepare our discussion. It won't be very different from the previous event,

15:15:07 [sharper]

ack shadi

15:15:14 [kmatausc]

Zakim, unmume

15:15:14 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'unmume', kmatausc

15:15:19 [sharper]

ack km

15:15:21 [kmatausc]

Zakim, unmute me

15:15:21 [Zakim]

kmatausc was not muted, kmatausc

15:15:26 [Klaus]

zakim, mute me

15:15:26 [Zakim]

Klaus should now be muted

15:16:16 [markel]

KeM: i wonder whether all panelists have registered as it is seems we are full

15:16:24 [kmatausc]

zakim, mute me

15:16:24 [Zakim]

kmatausc should now be muted

15:16:52 [Zakim]

-peter

15:16:58 [markel]

SAZ: I'll send you the list of participants; we'll make sure we will assign a line to panelists.

15:17:23 [Zakim]

+??P13

15:17:27 [peter]

Zakim, ?p13 is me

15:17:27 [Zakim]

sorry, peter, I do not recognize a party named '?p13'

15:17:35 [peter]

Zakim, ??p13 is me

15:17:35 [Zakim]

+peter; got it

15:17:43 [peter]

Zakim, mute me

15:17:43 [Zakim]

peter should now be muted

15:17:44 [Klaus]

zakim, unmute me

15:17:45 [Zakim]

Klaus should no longer be muted

15:17:48 [markel]

SAZ: I have been seen some questions from Andrea, it was a little bit of confusion about the agenda and timing. I want to make sure that everything is ready for that.

15:18:42 [markel]

KM: we will stick to the outline of the agenda, which is online now. We will frame our questions according to this agenda.

15:19:13 [shawn]

zakim, who is noisy?

15:19:14 [sharper]

zakim, who is making noise?

15:19:18 [markel]

the noise in the background is terrible!

15:19:24 [Zakim]

shawn, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds

15:19:37 [Zakim]

sharper, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

15:19:47 [shawn]

zakim, who is muted?

15:19:47 [Zakim]

I see annika, Shawn, kmatausc, peter muted

15:20:04 [markel]

SAZ: regarding logistics, are there any questions?

15:20:20 [markel]

I can barely hear anything

15:20:21 [Zakim]

-annika

15:20:33 [shawn]

zakim, who is making noise?

15:20:44 [Zakim]

shawn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: shadi (47%)

15:20:48 [Klaus]

zakim, mute me

15:20:48 [Zakim]

Klaus should now be muted

15:21:05 [markel]

:-D

15:21:34 [Zakim]

+??P18

15:21:44 [shawn]

q+

15:21:54 [annika]

zakim, ??P18 is me

15:21:54 [Zakim]

+annika; got it

15:22:02 [Klaus]

zakim, unmute me

15:22:02 [Zakim]

Klaus should no longer be muted

15:22:03 [annika]

zakim. mute me

15:22:10 [annika]

zakim, mute me

15:22:10 [Zakim]

annika should now be muted

15:22:12 [markel]

SAZ: we will be opening the lines 1 hour before so that authors can test the lines. Let me know if you have any request.

15:22:17 [kmatausc]

yes, we invited the authors to log in 1 hour before the symposiustarts

15:23:06 [markel]

KM: I wonder if there is any support for muting/unmuting

15:24:05 [shawn]

q+ to note that we were 10 mins late due to particiaptns joining :(

15:24:20 [Klaus]

zakim, mute me

15:24:20 [Zakim]

Klaus should now be muted

15:24:25 [markel]

SAZ: the captioning will be provided, it will run in parallel. I'll do the muting and unmuting in the backchannel, actually this one #rd

15:24:42 [markel]

SAZ: the front channel will be the public channel

15:24:49 [sloandr]

q+ re using the transcript

15:25:03 [Klaus]

zakim, unmute me

15:25:03 [Zakim]

Klaus should no longer be muted

15:25:13 [Klaus]

zakim, mute me

15:25:13 [Zakim]

Klaus should now be muted

15:25:17 [sharper]

zakim, q?

15:25:17 [Zakim]

I see shawn, sloandr on the speaker queue

15:25:19 [shawn]

ack me

15:25:20 [Zakim]

shawn, you wanted to note that we were 10 mins late due to particiaptns joining :(

15:25:23 [sharper]

ack shawn

15:25:41 [peter]

unrelated side question encase I forget: do we have the transcripts from the mobile symposium?

15:26:10 [shadi]

q+ to remind to keep reminding people about how they can raise their hands

15:26:13 [markel]

SLH: in our case we were still 10 minutes late bc participants were late joining. We may have a official starting time 10min before

15:26:26 [sharper]

ack sloan

15:26:26 [Zakim]

sloandr, you wanted to discuss using the transcript

15:27:09 [Klaus]

queue+

15:27:18 [shawn]

+1 to live captioning being very helpful for many people - chairs, participants, etc

15:27:19 [markel]

DS: the transcript is of such a good quality that makes it very helpful resource (a side effect of having an accessible event).

15:28:32 [markel]

SAZ: a tip to KM and KeM: remind --constantly-- participants how to raise their hands.

15:28:35 [sloandr]

+1 to shadi

15:28:36 [Klaus]

zakim, unmute me

15:28:36 [Zakim]

Klaus should no longer be muted

15:28:40 [sharper]

ack klaus

15:28:45 [sharper]

zakim, q?

15:28:45 [Zakim]

I see shadi on the speaker queue

15:28:56 [sharper]

ack Shadi

15:28:56 [Zakim]

shadi, you wanted to remind to keep reminding people about how they can raise their hands

15:29:29 [Klaus]

zakim, mute me

15:29:29 [Zakim]

Klaus should now be muted

15:29:50 [Klaus]

zakim, unmute me

15:29:50 [Zakim]

Klaus should no longer be muted

15:30:41 [markel]

KM: i was wondering if it is appropriate to say that we start the agenda of 2 hours after the 10 minutes.

15:30:53 [markel]

SAZ: there is still a buffer of 10 minutes in the end.

15:31:28 [markel]

SLH: I was suggesting to start 10 minutes earlier

15:31:49 [markel]

KM: then we would need 2 hours + 15 minutes

15:32:07 [Klaus]

zakim, mute me

15:32:07 [Zakim]

Klaus should now be muted

15:32:35 [Zakim]

-peter

15:32:59 [markel]

SH: it might be a good test for the future. It's purely up to you: if you think this is the best way to run the symposium this is the way to proceed.