tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post7438791786173261456..comments2018-02-27T17:14:24.279-05:00Comments on Debunking "EvilBible.com": Slavery in the BibleConnor Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04214224506725879934noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-75133692342941928882018-01-26T12:52:29.405-05:002018-01-26T12:52:29.405-05:00Much misunderstanding, lots of self-righteous indi...Much misunderstanding, lots of self-righteous indignation. Instead of trying to put forth logical arguments and in-context explanations, many on here are brushing off Scriptures because they are not interested in the pursuit of truth (in a general sense), but they&#39;re all shouting, &#39;I&#39;m not like that, I&#39;m not like the God your portray, I&#39;m better than that&#39; Justifying themselves in a arrogant way. But your comments are shallow and show that you re not interested in understanding, or making your case, you&#39;re just interest in flattering your own ego. I say to those who are not willing to engage in a meaningful discussion, brush off the matter to grow up intellectually, because you lack reasoning and logic, but arrogance and self-rigtheousness you have plenty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-10983396891133394952017-11-20T16:57:45.291-05:002017-11-20T16:57:45.291-05:00The indentured servitude argument only applies to ...The indentured servitude argument only applies to Hebrew slaves. Both Leviticus and Exodus make this clear. What about slaves from neighboring lands that were owned forever and passed down as inheritance to the slave owner&#39;s children (Leviticus 25:44-46)? How is this &quot;indentured servitude&quot;? Also, how do you justify saying that they were not treated as objects when they were owned as property for ever, passed down as inheritance and allowed to be beaten?J Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03599945054534560973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-3206989702521141182017-10-01T08:41:40.437-04:002017-10-01T08:41:40.437-04:00The Jews sold themselves into slavery to pay debts...The Jews sold themselves into slavery to pay debts.Ninetailcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881409858508801435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-660400115977108662017-10-01T08:40:36.641-04:002017-10-01T08:40:36.641-04:00Biblical slaves were indentured servants paying of...Biblical slaves were indentured servants paying off debts who were then granted money and land when they left.Ninetailcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881409858508801435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-82783757577558216742017-10-01T08:39:06.801-04:002017-10-01T08:39:06.801-04:00It was indentured servitude as payment on debts - ...It was indentured servitude as payment on debts - much like washing dishes to pay for a restaurant meal. They were not treated as objects but as servants. When they left at the end of their term they were granted money and land. That is what the Bible says. He only has to explain it because a lot of people don&#39;t understand it. There are books and books explaining this, but you comment without knowledge.Ninetailcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881409858508801435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-38379183649687312682017-10-01T08:38:11.920-04:002017-10-01T08:38:11.920-04:00It was indentured servitude as payment on debts - ...It was indentured servitude as payment on debts - much like washing dishes to pay for a restaurant meal. That is what the Bible says. He only has to explain it because a lot of people don&#39;t understand it. There are books and books explaining this, but you comment without knowledge.Ninetailcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881409858508801435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-26130557793052090042017-10-01T08:36:03.009-04:002017-10-01T08:36:03.009-04:00You sound like an anti-vaxxer who doesn&#39;t read...You sound like an anti-vaxxer who doesn&#39;t read or understand theology, or the quotes from it, and only listens to other people who also don&#39;t understand it.Ninetailcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881409858508801435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-29752067636821340982017-10-01T08:34:30.397-04:002017-10-01T08:34:30.397-04:00You need to read some theology on omnipotence!You need to read some theology on omnipotence!Ninetailcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881409858508801435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-37712326062644654732017-10-01T08:33:23.046-04:002017-10-01T08:33:23.046-04:00All of that is nonsense. &#39;Centre of the univer...All of that is nonsense. &#39;Centre of the universe&#39; is from Ancient Greece. The Bible does not say the Earth is flat, and Thomas Aquinas believed it to be spherical. By the way, Christians invented the idea of the big bang, which was then rejected by atheists for years for being &#39;too religious&#39; an idea. And we have no idea what happens on other planets so stop making shit up. Ninetailcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12881409858508801435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-35766722195324451522016-10-15T05:19:00.329-04:002016-10-15T05:19:00.329-04:00Makes no difference whether slavery was an accepte...Makes no difference whether slavery was an accepted practice or not , if you say the bible is Gods word then you admit his own word condones slavery , there is no getting around that. And these rules for the treatment of slaves also include sexual slavery , again....condoned and not condemned by the bible. Very strong implication given that children were involved in this sexual slavery. And not all biblical slavery was &quot; indentured servitude &quot; , much of it was lifelong and only for being a foreigner. There is no way to defend these morally evil practices or why they are condoned in the bible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-38947998743134640382016-08-17T19:41:54.842-04:002016-08-17T19:41:54.842-04:00Why do you call a slave &quot;it&quot; rather than...Why do you call a slave &quot;it&quot; rather than he or she?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10600871460061074101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-87353061937858011042016-04-23T11:46:44.411-04:002016-04-23T11:46:44.411-04:00&quot;Again, in ancient culture slavery was an acc...&quot;Again, in ancient culture slavery was an accepted practice...&quot; Was it accepted by the slaves? Does a practice being accepted make it good or right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-23720397771113496782016-03-18T15:48:54.244-04:002016-03-18T15:48:54.244-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Bayerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06202516461290888661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-58539188891245591262016-03-18T12:46:53.378-04:002016-03-18T12:46:53.378-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06202516461290888661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-37505850916313784232016-03-10T11:24:21.696-05:002016-03-10T11:24:21.696-05:00MOSES WAS A WAR CRIMINAL
We often hear people say...MOSES WAS A WAR CRIMINAL<br /><br />We often hear people say, “If only Jews would return to the Law of Moses!<br /><br />“Instead, they follow their secular, atheistic, and Zionist ways!”<br /><br />They express horror at the recent deliberate slaughter of Gazans, particularly the slaughter of women and children. (1)<br /><br />But haven’t these folks ever read the Bible? Are they unaware of the influence of the Old Testament on Judaism?<br /><br />Please open your Bible. Turn to the Old Testament. For the moment, focus your attention on the Book of Numbers.<br /><br />You are about to learn that Moses, the great “law giver,” was a war criminal who ORDERED his followers to commit war crimes. The most heinous were crimes were committed against women and children.<br /><br /> NUMBERS 31:13-18:<br />(13) Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. (14) But Moses was furious with all the generals and captains [a] who had returned from the battle.<br /><br />(15) “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded.<br /><br />(16) “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the Lord at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the Lord’s people.<br /><br />(17) So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man.<br /><br />( 18 ) Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.<br /><br />The rest of Chapter 31 is concerned with distributing the Midianite plunder. Thirty-two thousand (32,000) virgin girls were counted in the booty (Verse 35). Thirty-two of these were given to “the Lord.” That is, 32 of these little girls were set aside for the Levities (heave offerings), to be used as concubines (Verses 40 and 41).<br /><br />Yes, Numbers 31 says what it says. The Talmud sages used Numbers 31 to justify having sex with children. And since the Talmud sages, along with Christians, regard the Old Testament as “the word of God,” why beat up on the Talmud sages? Why not beat up on Jehovah and Moses, who set the standards?<br /><br />For further discussion of Jewish teachings on sex with children, see the Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b, Soncino 1961 Edition, page 402. Discussion and links at http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_2.html<br /><br />It’s true. Moses was a war criminal. The Bible tells you so. Should we be surprised at how women and children were treated in Gaza?<br /><br />THE TRAUMA OF WAR<br /><br />Children watch their mothers die<br />Raping a city in the name of freedom<br />Children growing - their hate inside<br />A world they lost in the name of reason<br /><br />I never came back from that trench<br />I can&#39;t be alone I won&#39;t be alone<br />A schizophrenic cycle of paranoia<br /><br />Trauma of war!<br /><br />I saw the worst in the human nature<br />My hands are stained with blood of death<br />Attack all ghosts - I&#39;m like a soldier<br />Wasted minds that are all alike<br /><br />I never came back from that trench<br />I can&#39;t be alone I won&#39;t be alone<br />A schizophrenic cycle of paranoia<br /><br />Trauma of war!<br /><br />Freedom comes with a hail of bullets<br /><br />My sun is getting dark<br />My urge to kill awakes<br />My world is no more<br />My urge to kill awakes<br /><br />Children watch their mothers die<br />Raping a city in the name of freedom<br />Children growing - their hate inside<br />A world they lost in the name of reason<br /><br />I never came back from that trench<br />I can&#39;t be alone I won&#39;t be alone<br />A schizophrenic cycle of paranoia<br /><br />Trauma of war!<br /><br />Footnotes<br /><br />(1) New Evidence of Gaza Child Deaths, BBC, 22 January, 2009 <br /><br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7843307.stm<br />For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.<br /><br />Matthew 5:18<br />Bobby Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07312855419228806336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-56551931225625239732016-03-10T11:23:59.097-05:002016-03-10T11:23:59.097-05:00MOSES WAS A WAR CRIMINAL
We often hear people say...MOSES WAS A WAR CRIMINAL<br /><br />We often hear people say, “If only Jews would return to the Law of Moses!<br /><br />“Instead, they follow their secular, atheistic, and Zionist ways!”<br /><br />They express horror at the recent deliberate slaughter of Gazans, particularly the slaughter of women and children. (1)<br /><br />But haven’t these folks ever read the Bible? Are they unaware of the influence of the Old Testament on Judaism?<br /><br />Please open your Bible. Turn to the Old Testament. For the moment, focus your attention on the Book of Numbers.<br /><br />You are about to learn that Moses, the great “law giver,” was a war criminal who ORDERED his followers to commit war crimes. The most heinous were crimes were committed against women and children.<br /><br /> NUMBERS 31:13-18:<br />(13) Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. (14) But Moses was furious with all the generals and captains [a] who had returned from the battle.<br /><br />(15) “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded.<br /><br />(16) “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the Lord at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the Lord’s people.<br /><br />(17) So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man.<br /><br />( 18 ) Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.<br /><br />The rest of Chapter 31 is concerned with distributing the Midianite plunder. Thirty-two thousand (32,000) virgin girls were counted in the booty (Verse 35). Thirty-two of these were given to “the Lord.” That is, 32 of these little girls were set aside for the Levities (heave offerings), to be used as concubines (Verses 40 and 41).<br /><br />Yes, Numbers 31 says what it says. The Talmud sages used Numbers 31 to justify having sex with children. And since the Talmud sages, along with Christians, regard the Old Testament as “the word of God,” why beat up on the Talmud sages? Why not beat up on Jehovah and Moses, who set the standards?<br /><br />For further discussion of Jewish teachings on sex with children, see the Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Yebamoth 60b, Soncino 1961 Edition, page 402. Discussion and links at http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_2.html<br /><br />It’s true. Moses was a war criminal. The Bible tells you so. Should we be surprised at how women and children were treated in Gaza?<br /><br />THE TRAUMA OF WAR<br /><br />Children watch their mothers die<br />Raping a city in the name of freedom<br />Children growing - their hate inside<br />A world they lost in the name of reason<br /><br />I never came back from that trench<br />I can&#39;t be alone I won&#39;t be alone<br />A schizophrenic cycle of paranoia<br /><br />Trauma of war!<br /><br />I saw the worst in the human nature<br />My hands are stained with blood of death<br />Attack all ghosts - I&#39;m like a soldier<br />Wasted minds that are all alike<br /><br />I never came back from that trench<br />I can&#39;t be alone I won&#39;t be alone<br />A schizophrenic cycle of paranoia<br /><br />Trauma of war!<br /><br />Freedom comes with a hail of bullets<br /><br />My sun is getting dark<br />My urge to kill awakes<br />My world is no more<br />My urge to kill awakes<br /><br />Children watch their mothers die<br />Raping a city in the name of freedom<br />Children growing - their hate inside<br />A world they lost in the name of reason<br /><br />I never came back from that trench<br />I can&#39;t be alone I won&#39;t be alone<br />A schizophrenic cycle of paranoia<br /><br />Trauma of war!<br /><br />Footnotes<br /><br />(1) New Evidence of Gaza Child Deaths, BBC, 22 January, 2009 <br /><br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7843307.stm<br />For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.<br /><br />Matthew 5:18<br />Bobby Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07312855419228806336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-28457990387300827352015-09-10T10:39:45.296-04:002015-09-10T10:39:45.296-04:00I agree with you that no culture is perfect but th...I agree with you that no culture is perfect but that is no excuse for the grossest imperfections. If you credit God for the good things in the Bible, you have to own up to the bad things, too. Why don&#39;t we have the Eleven Commandments which includes &quot;Thou shalt not enslave others&quot;?<br /><br />If you studied slavery in the Bible, you would know that indentured servants are Israelites, not foreigners bought with money. Genesis 17:12-13 makes a clear distinction between slaves, indentured servants, and hired hands. Exodus 21:2-6 describes the indentured servant. The American southern colonies had indentured servants who served 6 years. They got their laws for slavery and indentured servants from the Bible though they omitted the part about turning indentured servants into permanent servants.<br /><br />Leviticus 25:44-46 says you could take foreigners as slaves and your descendants could inherit them. I have seen wills from the South that bequeath slaves. The passage says to not treat fellow Israelites, harshly, but the specificity allows treating the foreigners in this passage harshly.<br /><br />If we can&#39;t judge the unchanging God of the Bible by the what he forbid and allowed in the Bible then you can&#39;t judge God to be good, either.Greg Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11384393935300555125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-41349672252924332512015-09-10T02:36:12.965-04:002015-09-10T02:36:12.965-04:00Now for my humble opinion: It is pointless to argu... Now for my humble opinion: It is pointless to argue this in a forum with so much hostility. I&#39;ve studied the bible extensively,, and know well how important it is to take its passages into context, both within the scriptures as well as the context of the cultures to which it as written to at the time. No culture is perfect, and never is America&#39;s. I&#39;ve lived in Aisa for over 20 years, and the cultures I&#39;ve seen and studied all have their shortcomings, but that is no reason to blame God or assault his credibility when it comes to the passages in Exodus on slavery. It is apparentthat slavery in the times of the early Hebrews was different, and in many cases, limited to 6 years. I myself, a devout believer in the LORD may not agree with the unequal treatment for women in the time of Exodus, for example, but I also am aware from years of experience in living in different cultures today, that there are often reasons for why &quot;unnacceptible practices as they appear to us&quot; occur in cultures and are accepted. Those cultures also question why Amerians and Europeans do the crazy things they do in their own cultures; and to them, many of our practices are hideously unnacceptible as well. <br />Therefore, please don&#39;t judge the LORD on practices written for people thousands of years ago which have no bearing on today. Thank you, and have a nice day :)<br /><br />LumyaiLumyai Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01952490889294746282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-7704807950106993142015-09-10T02:34:54.042-04:002015-09-10T02:34:54.042-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lumyai Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01952490889294746282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-20295677296150718342015-09-10T02:27:24.448-04:002015-09-10T02:27:24.448-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lumyai Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01952490889294746282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-88775085945711807842015-05-10T14:25:52.091-04:002015-05-10T14:25:52.091-04:00&quot;If someone works for you to pay back his DEB...&quot;If someone works for you to pay back his DEBT, he&#39;s not enriching you. He&#39;s just giving back something he OWES you anyway in the first place&quot;<br /><br />That is an indentured servant. The following verse shows that there are different classes of servants and slaves:<br />Leviticus 22:10-11<br />10 No lay person shall eat of the sacred donations. No bound or hired servant of the priest shall eat of the sacred donations; 11 but if a priest acquires anyone by purchase, the person may eat of them; and those that are born in his house may eat of his food.<br /><br />Here&#39;s the people that could be bought and how you could treat them. Note that is specifies that you should be nice to Hebrew servants which allows harsh treatment of Gentile slaves:<br />Leviticus 25:44-46<br />44 As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. 45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. 46 You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.Greg Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11384393935300555125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-30052711865594641542015-04-26T07:24:15.487-04:002015-04-26T07:24:15.487-04:00&quot;Even thinking about stealing his stuff is a ...&quot;Even thinking about stealing his stuff is a mortal sin but forcing him to work for you and enrich you for life only requires some rules to make it more palatable.&quot;<br />If someone works for you to pay back his DEBT, he&#39;s not enriching you. He&#39;s just giving back something he OWES you anyway in the first placeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-25227931478838623442014-10-16T11:52:40.781-04:002014-10-16T11:52:40.781-04:00its the other way around.its the other way around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-52973230819148078032014-05-30T14:58:34.300-04:002014-05-30T14:58:34.300-04:00+100+100Persevering Saturnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09469576394801068156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5312450082228711308.post-54417715059059685492014-05-30T14:56:24.285-04:002014-05-30T14:56:24.285-04:00Yes &quot;he&quot; DOES, have you even read this s...Yes &quot;he&quot; DOES, have you even read this stupid blog where all the attempts to justify the act of &quot;god&quot; commands his followers to murder loads of people?Persevering Saturnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09469576394801068156noreply@blogger.com