Comedy is humanities attempt at existential relief by the attempt of finding humor in truth and understanding intellectual/abstract perception and judgement of idiocy/ignorance. The jester archetype. Finding relief in making other people laugh is the comedians goal.

This thread will be for anyone who wants to post humorous content that contains bits of truth.

MagsJ wrote:I'm a joker, but not a fool.. when I joke, take the joke.. or feel my wrath!

There is definitely a difference between the two and I am sure some get it misconstrued.

The Trickster/Joker Archetype:Tricksters Trickster: a mischievous figure in myth or folklore typically makes up for physical weakness with cunning and subversive humor alternates between cleverness and stupidity, kindness and cruelty, deceiver and deceived, breaker of taboos and creator of culture - tricksters alternately scandalize/disgusts, amuses/disrupt, chastise/ humiliate (or are humiliated by) the animal—proto-people of pre-history also a creative force transforming the world, sometimes in bizarre and outrageous ways. Strengths of the Trickster/Joker ArchetypeThe Trickster embodies the energy of mischief and the desire for change. Tricksters cut big egos down to size and, most importantly, provide comic relief that eases tension and brings the Hero (and the audience) down to earth. They also work to make fun of/highlight hypocrisy. Still, the Trickster's loyalty and motives can be in doubt. Is the Trickster an ally? An agent of the Shadow? Or an independent agent working to some private agenda? This character is so dedicated to laughing at the "status quo" and mocking everything around him that his true motives can remain in doubt. The Trickster Loki, Hermes, Raven, Anansi, and Coyote are all excellent examples of the trickster archetype. In modern fiction we see the trickster as the force of chaos in the universe, not necessarily evil or good, just representative of change/chaos.

The Fool Archetype:The Fool is often seen in stories alongside the King or Ruler. In these stories, the Fool's job is to deflate the ego of the Ruler - and to say (in jest) what needs to be said, but no-one else is willing to say out loud. The Fool is protected - and has a special role - above the politicking and machinations of 'court'. The Fool is clever and wise, speaks the truth and challenges authority - but softens the blow with humour. Finally, the Fool is resilient - not caring what other people think, laughing at life's difficulties and challenges, and getting back up - again and again - after being knocked down. In current culture our political satirists and comedians are often the Wise Fools.7 Strengths of the (Wise) Fool ArchetypeA lack of concern about what other people think of them.Trusting the process - enjoying the journey and letting things be rather than trying to control them.Living in the present moment - because that is all there is.Living life as a game - seeing the lighter side of darker situations.They poke fun at the ego.They create their own rules.No matter what, the Fool has a zest for life!

The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

MagsJ wrote:I'm a joker, but not a fool.. when I joke, take the joke.. or feel my wrath!

There is definitely a difference between the two and I am sure some get it misconstrued.

The Trickster/Joker Archetype:Tricksters Trickster: a mischievous figure in myth or folklore typically makes up for physical weakness with cunning and subversive humor alternates between cleverness and stupidity, kindness and cruelty, deceiver and deceived, breaker of taboos and creator of culture - tricksters alternately scandalize/disgusts, amuses/disrupt, chastise/ humiliate (or are humiliated by) the animal—proto-people of pre-history also a creative force transforming the world, sometimes in bizarre and outrageous ways. Strengths of the Trickster/Joker ArchetypeThe Trickster embodies the energy of mischief and the desire for change. Tricksters cut big egos down to size and, most importantly, provide comic relief that eases tension and brings the Hero (and the audience) down to earth. They also work to make fun of/highlight hypocrisy. Still, the Trickster's loyalty and motives can be in doubt. Is the Trickster an ally? An agent of the Shadow? Or an independent agent working to some private agenda? This character is so dedicated to laughing at the "status quo" and mocking everything around him that his true motives can remain in doubt. The Trickster Loki, Hermes, Raven, Anansi, and Coyote are all excellent examples of the trickster archetype. In modern fiction we see the trickster as the force of chaos in the universe, not necessarily evil or good, just representative of change/chaos.

The Fool Archetype:The Fool is often seen in stories alongside the King or Ruler. In these stories, the Fool's job is to deflate the ego of the Ruler - and to say (in jest) what needs to be said, but no-one else is willing to say out loud. The Fool is protected - and has a special role - above the politicking and machinations of 'court'. The Fool is clever and wise, speaks the truth and challenges authority - but softens the blow with humour. Finally, the Fool is resilient - not caring what other people think, laughing at life's difficulties and challenges, and getting back up - again and again - after being knocked down. In current culture our political satirists and comedians are often the Wise Fools.7 Strengths of the (Wise) Fool ArchetypeA lack of concern about what other people think of them.

Trusting the process - enjoying the journey and letting things be rather than trying to control them.Living in the present moment - because that is all there is.Living life as a game - seeing the lighter side of darker situations.They poke fun at the ego.They create their own rules.No matter what, the Fool has a zest for life!

A lot of common everyday Joe's are trapped in the fool archetype. I myself vary between a few based on events and my control or lack there of is dependent upon the severity of said event(s).

I have never really been able to "live in the moment" I accept the dark for what it is and I don't try to blind myself with over-illumination as the fool would seem to do. I have been entrapped as well but I would say fur to being young and naive more so than willful entrapment due to fear. I live in the past to understand and live in the future for I understand change, there is no present for it is swept away in the wind immediately.

Even nothing, is something.If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

"My ancestors are smiling on me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"

"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Artimas wrote:A lot of common everyday Joe's are trapped in the fool archetype. I myself vary between a few based on events and my control or lack there of is dependent upon the severity of said event(s).

I have never really been able to "live in the moment" I accept the dark for what it is and I don't try to blind myself with over-illumination as the fool would seem to do. I have been entrapped as well but I would say fur to being young and naive more so than willful entrapment due to fear. I live in the past to understand and live in the future for I understand change, there is no present for it is swept away in the wind immediately.

The elements of the Fool I embody are:

Living life as a game - seeing the lighter side of darker situations.They create their own rules.No matter what, the Fool has a zest for life!

..but we all have some, or many, elements of all the archetypes in us.. as I am not all Trickster, but tend to/can embody it when bored.

The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

I asked him after “if you wanted to go buy a book right now and educate yourself, what’s stopping you? Is that Satan also dumbing down the population? As I have said, it is ignorance of which creates the cycle of evil. Not a symbol that depicts everything except evil or “satan” as you call it.“

Even nothing, is something.If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

"My ancestors are smiling on me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"

"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

i put this post here because 'zizek vs peterson' can only be a comedy act.

i'm not surprised that zizek let peterson live, even considering the dangerous popularity that amateur windbag has among millennial college students. it's due to zizek's generally congenial nature and his lack of hostility... or perhaps a recognition that peterson's rivalry wasn't something to be taken very seriously. the disconnect between the audience and the debate occurs when it's realized that zizek's ideas are something to be chewed on and digested, while peterson's diatribe alway consists of shallow, quick blanket statements that have profound effects on the listeners. he simplifies what cannot be simplified (but must be chewed on for more time that is allowed)... and for that very reason he is better received by the audience; he is more easily understood because he says nothing substantial.

peterson turns a subject that belongs to a more technical environment into something like a pop-theory, continues to systematically misrepresent marxism, and repeats the same old informal fallacies in his criticism of the failed 'communist' (in parentheses because they weren't true marxist states) countries while conveniently avoiding any mention of the atrocities committed by capitalistic imperialism. but this is to be expected; this is all the right has ever done, and can ever do. i think zizek realizes this and rather then devoting much time to defending marxism, he instead just let's peterson have it as a friendly gesture.

but really, it's painful to listen to peterson talk. i cringe at least once every 27 seconds and can barely manage to keep up with the number of ambiguous comments he fires off one after the other.

i guess it was decent though, if only because i got the opportunity to watch zizek play with peterson a little bit.

i fear there will be more of these pop-philosophers like peterson in the decades to come. philosophy itself as an institution has been finished for a century, so all that is left are these post-modern caricatures and sophists who's rhetoric contains nothing but pathos and ethos. the express purpose being to persuade and convince a generation who's confusion is really irrelevant anyway.

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In his life he said one interesting couple of three things. That was in this one book I won't mention as someone will shit on it.

Ive read through about six of his works and they got increasingly Hegel-like. Ever read the Phenomenology of the Spirit? Zizek just copied the method and kept going doing the exact same thing like twenty times.

I never found any sense when the guy talks. He is really a simpleton. He just got some bad but infectious ideas from Hegel and a few good ones from Heidegger and, admittedly, Lacan too. That was quite cool. What he did to Lacan.

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed. ~ Владимир Ильич Ульянов Ленин

That Marxist shit is like, when someone shoots some one dead, and someone says "he used a Smith & Wesson", and Zizek goes: "well tell me, where, where, where, where itch this Shhhcmitssh, and where isscchch this Wessssschcon?"

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed. ~ Владимир Ильич Ульянов Ленин

That probably hurt marx more than me, even if he's rolling in his grave right now. These 'modern' so called marxists are even worse than the modern nietzscheans. My sympathy for ol karl just went up a couple notches after watching that video. Poor bastard. He was a couple hundred years too early.... or too late.