they need to come up with another name then hevisteel, there is nothing hevi about it at all. but that will give them some sells, and they know it. not everyone gets on internet and gets on forums ect. so they will have no clue, the only thing over other steel loads right know without pattern work is that the speeds are higher then alot of other factroy loads. and right on with some factory loadings.

I know it's not the old, denser Hevisteel, but 1 1/4 oz loads at 1500 fps (if honest velocity) in #1 intrigue me. What are we looking at for prices and availability? Are most standard Hevi-Shot dealers are expected to carry them?

dzgolf2 wrote:I know it's not the old, denser Hevisteel, but 1 1/4 oz loads at 1500 fps (if honest velocity) in #1 intrigue me. What are we looking at for prices and availability? Are most standard Hevi-Shot dealers are expected to carry them?

Good God, people, can we stop grabbing at straws? The only two things that can change things on a per pellet basis is velocity and density. Since we know that if the density is constant, any increase in velocity needs to be astronomical in order to effect any appreciable change in delivered energy/penetration, then it follows that an increase in density is the only alternative to success. A 1500fps #1 steel pellet will deliver the same energy/penetration regardless of the delivery system (within reason). If EMI is truly interested in shedding its cloak of mystique and delivering honest to goodness standard steel loads, great! But, let's not cloud the issue. Most will agree that the effectiveness of loads between 1400 and 1500 fps depend on the wad. What has EMI done to ensure that the patterns from this load will be more effective across a greater range of shotguns? If they are priced competitively and deliver good results, they'll sell. If not, they'll lie with the rest.

Frank

I feel slightly sorry for a man who has never patterned his gun, who has no idea how far his chosen load will retain killing penetration. But I'm extremely sorry for the ducks he shoots at beyond the killing range of his gun and load - Bob Brister

Good God indeed! I appreciate the input, will be interesting to see the wads that come in these loads (don't care really if they pattern well), but...I have gotten decent patterns from "true" 1500 fps loads in the past (smaller shot), from most 1 1/4 oz loads (in most shot), and from shot size 1 (albeit quite slower). The combo of the 3 in a 3" hull has seems to be a fine medium for the combo goose/duck work along with wind/big river and decoying situations...if it patterns well. Finding that in a commercial load might be great in my gun and I bet the birds would appreciate the combo of pattern density and energy in a quick death.

My first post, been reading for years, had finally signed up when I had a question a while ago and didn't ask because of people like you. Don't need your lecture, even though you give them freely, remember I've been reading. Time to go back to silence and watch people such as yourself continue on as pretentious internet professionals with no intention of of helping people. Thank you for never answering my question, you were not very helpful.

dzgolf2 wrote:Good God indeed! I appreciate the input, will be interesting to see the wads that come in these loads (don't care really if they pattern well), but...I have gotten decent patterns from "true" 1500 fps loads in the past (smaller shot), from most 1 1/4 oz loads (in most shot), and from shot size 1 (albeit quite slower). The combo of the 3 in a 3" hull has seems to be a fine medium for the combo goose/duck work along with wind/big river and decoying situations...if it patterns well. Finding that in a commercial load might be great in my gun and I bet the birds would appreciate the combo of pattern density and energy in a quick death.

My first post, been reading for years, had finally signed up when I had a question a while ago and didn't ask because of people like you. Don't need your lecture, even though you give them freely, remember I've been reading. Time to go back to silence and watch people such as yourself continue on as pretentious internet professionals with no intention of of helping people. Thank you for never answering my question, you were not very helpful.

Bravo, freakin bravo dz, I too read for years. Some of the guys are real pieces of work for sure. I guess everyone needs a place to reign, even if it's an internet site.

I am all for more competition. Whether they are good or not at their price point will remain to be seen.But one more player offering steel shot is a good thing guys!

Keep Fiocchi, Kent, Federal, Remington and Winchester battling to bring me the best value steel shot and developing the next thing!Thanks EMI! Even if I don't buy them I love competition as a consumer an perhaps I will if the value is right.

I still have one box left of the old roll crimped "real" hevi-steel (the fast little brother lol).Can't bring myself to shoot the last one...roll crimped with a clear disc and buffer inside.Stuff was killer for the price.

dzgolf2 wrote:Good God indeed! I appreciate the input, will be interesting to see the wads that come in these loads (don't care really if they pattern well), but...I have gotten decent patterns from "true" 1500 fps loads in the past (smaller shot), from most 1 1/4 oz loads (in most shot), and from shot size 1 (albeit quite slower). The combo of the 3 in a 3" hull has seems to be a fine medium for the combo goose/duck work along with wind/big river and decoying situations...if it patterns well. Finding that in a commercial load might be great in my gun and I bet the birds would appreciate the combo of pattern density and energy in a quick death

Granted, it's not exactly what you mentioned, but have you considered #1's in a 1 1/8 oz load? I run 1 1/8 oz loads in 2.75", and it's certainly one of my favorite loads on the planet. You'll only start with 118-120 pellets, but 80% patterns keep you in the sweet spot, & my experience with that load through my gun is that it consistently patterns in the upper 90's. Getting 1,500 FPS outta an oz & an eighth is pie.

yep reloaders have it easy i have been reloading 1-1/4 oz at 1475 fps(5 shot average) in 3 inch hull that is safe psi for years with very good patterns,25 fps is no big deal.

when they come out i am going to shoot over chrony and get true fps and pattern at the same time...that will tell if the regular steel loads from emi are any good or not and it will depend on the price too if they make it just like frank said. kent, remington ect all ready have very good factory loads that have very good patterns over alot differrent shot guns.

alsolike cannon stated a very good load is the reloads of 11/8 oz shot in 23/4 hulls going 1450 to 1475 fps...patterns are very good from those loads . the reloads of 23/4inch hulls are death to ducks and geese!!!

buckmeister wrote:I have some old heavy steel. Did not know what it was when I bought it and I still don't know what the big whoop is.

it was like 10.?gr/cc which is little heavier then regular steel shot ...closest gr/cc there was to old lead shot loads...beyond that not much hoopla there it was not good enough for me to stop shooting reloads of regular steel shot loads.

dzgolf2 wrote:I know it's not the old, denser Hevisteel, but 1 1/4 oz loads at 1500 fps (if honest velocity) in #1 intrigue me. What are we looking at for prices and availability? Are most standard Hevi-Shot dealers are expected to carry them?

dzgolf2 wrote:I know it's not the old, denser Hevisteel, but 1 1/4 oz loads at 1500 fps (if honest velocity) in #1 intrigue me. What are we looking at for prices and availability? Are most standard Hevi-Shot dealers are expected to carry them?

those are some good factory loads that is already got foot hold on the market here in usa. the new emi regular steel loads, will need to be as good or equal to the fiochi,remingtons, winchester, kents,feds ect that is already on the market . or they will be left in the dust.

especially if they are higher priced i have yet to see a projected dealer pricing yet for the emi's new regular steel shot factory loads that they are supposidly going to call hevi-steel. been checking for prices off and on for last week or so.

Sure it will be higher then some, but also cheaper then others. Noone is claiming it to be the "cheapest" steel shot load out there, just that it is cheaper then Hevi Metal.

I'll compare apples and oranges for a second... BUT, it's no difference when a "hot sauce" company like for example, Mikes Hot Sauce... comes in a "super mild". It's not hot, but made my Mikes Hot Sauce.

Hevi makes em, so labeled Hevi Steel.

Can't say anything as to how it shoots as I have not had my hands on any. I'm sure I'll try some out when its available.