Why Nintendo's Presentation Tanked Today And The Wii U Will Be A Busthttp://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-e3-presentation-summary-2011-6/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:53:33 -0400Ellis Hamburgerhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4df0961a49e2ae0a790a0000PUCMACThu, 09 Jun 2011 05:44:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4df0961a49e2ae0a790a0000
I am a X-platform game (engine) developer ; PS3 gamer. I own a Wii as well but primarily for my family. I have worked on multiple titles on Wii/x360/ps3/pc and I understand console hardware.
Ellis, I am sorry to say, you have misconceptions!
I think you should do a bit more research before writing such articles. Talk to gamers and talk to developers who understand the hardware and its potential.
Have a read:
<a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iC6TGDnZ5492fQ8jbRKkYexnf3XA?docId=CNG.7a5f7af9f08212f6d2aaa2f75c515f65.8e1" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iC6TGDnZ5492fQ8jbRKkYexnf3XA?docId=CNG.7a5f7af9f08212f6d2aaa2f75c515f65.8e1</a>
Facts:
1) If all mainstream AAA titles are ported & pimped up to use the additional features this console has to offer, the PS3 and x360 are in trouble.
2) Nintendo's in-house developers will throw in a bunch of amazing titles. They did that for Wii. They have the best knowledge of the hardware and they can churn out amazing renders with a lot of GPU processing which made games on Wii look as decent as the next-gen consoles. Now if Wii-U is as/more powerful than ps3/x360 hardware-wise then ... :) you gotta wait and watch what the new in-house titles are going to look like.
3) if a hardcore gamer doesn't need to give up his TV and can continue his game, HE (I am not being sexiest here?) wouldn't think twice before investing in it ... NO MATTER HOW EXPENSIVE THE HARDWARE COSTS!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4defd963cadcbb9f64010000Dylan Jeremy McGrannWed, 08 Jun 2011 16:19:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4defd963cadcbb9f64010000
I think it's IMPOSSIBLE to say anything WILL happen at this point. There are still many unanswered important questions. Like, what sort of online services and social integration will Wii U offer? And what will it cost? But I see no reason to think, based on this hardware and concept alone, that the Wii U is in grave danger. I think it might be mildly difficult for Nintendo to capture the "hardcore" gamers, who have long written off Nintendo and now have heavy investments in alternative platforms. At the same time, Nintendo might have trouble convincing "casual" gamers who already have a Wii to make another hefty purchase.
@Ellis Hamburger: However, Wii U presents a significant change for developers: they don't HAVE to "craft entirely new experiences" to port a game to the Wii U. Wii U offers the power and the controller (with a standard button layout) to present the same style of play as on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. Sure it would be nice if developers were to take full advantage of Wii U's unique hardware, but technically, if they just want to get their game on the platform, they don't have to do that anymore. The Wii U, supporting both the Wii controllers and the new controller, supports both motion and classic control schemes (not to mention the new possibilities offered by the controller screen).
I think the real questions are: What sort of online integration will Wii U offer? Exactly how powerful is Wii U? Will developers actually use the system? And how much will the system cost? Plus, even if Wii U fails to meet the Wii's success and looses causal and mainstream hardcore audiences, Nintendo will always have a loyal audience just big enough to keep the company going.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def932349e2aedb0a1b0000Ellis HamburgerWed, 08 Jun 2011 11:20:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def932349e2aedb0a1b0000
Some of the new games look great, but it will be tough for developers to continually craft entirely new experiences just for the Wii U when they're focused on selling as many games as possible (in a world where whoever can get the most cross-platform exposure often sells the most games).
Most of the big time games won't include that much exclusive content just for Wii U (unless they're built exclusively for Wii U), I would think. I would also say the same thing about big time games that add random Sony Move or Kinect compatibility.
Nintendo's first party games have always been the real big sellers for them, and they'll probably be great on Wii U.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def8d9bccd1d5d86e1c0000HAMBURGLERWed, 08 Jun 2011 10:56:27 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def8d9bccd1d5d86e1c0000
Did you not see the new games that are coming out? Forward thinking....stop dwelling on the &*%$ty games of the past.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def8d93ccd1d5b8700f0000Ellis HamburgerWed, 08 Jun 2011 10:56:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def8d93ccd1d5b8700f0000
one more very important snippet from the GamePro article:
"The other thing that didn’t help is that Wii’s architecture and tech is so out of step with 360 and PS3, publishers couldn’t cross-develop games. That meant development costs were relatively high for Wii games because a unique team was required to develop games, and assets were difficult to port and share across platforms. Which then combined with a generally weak market for Wii software – many machines were sold, but mass-market users generally bought fewer games for their systems than hardcore users – you ended up with a market that just wasn’t particularly viable for a lot of publishers."http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def8d48cadcbbf9610b0000Ellis HamburgerWed, 08 Jun 2011 10:55:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def8d48cadcbbf9610b0000
I never said anything was better. I think the Vita looks pretty horrible too.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def8cfeccd1d5bb701c0000Ellis HamburgerWed, 08 Jun 2011 10:53:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def8cfeccd1d5bb701c0000
All valid opinions, but I think my take on the Wii U gets summed up to some extent by this article from GamePro. Here's a quote from it:
<a href="http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/220080/wii-u-is-it-a-next-gen-winner/" target="_blank">http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/220080/wii-u-is-it-a-next-gen-winner/</a>
"But as I type that, I get this sinking feeling of déjà vu. I remember saying exactly the same thing about Wii. I was blown away by how cool it was. How innovative the controllers were. And the more I thought about it at the time, the more I thought that we were on the verge of a new dawn of gaming. The reality is, though, we weren’t. While the hardware was cool and interesting, the reality for most gamers is that Wii is one of the least-played consoles of recent years. It sold incredibly well – it was the machine everyone wanted to have. But the same can be said for the latest fitness machines: they are bought, they are played with for a while, and then they gather dust. And unfortunately that’s also true for most Wiis out there.
The biggest problem is the games – there are simply very few truly great Wii games. Some might blame Wii’s weak technology for that, but I always felt that innovations in game mechanics driven by the controls would make up for that. But unfortunately most companies simply couldn’t capitalize on that potential - due to lack of imagination or perhaps resources - and we ended up with a few shining examples of Wii games drifting in a sea of mediocre shovelware."http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def7b3bcadcbbd348020000HAMBURGLERWed, 08 Jun 2011 09:38:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def7b3bcadcbbd348020000
You are so wrong Hamburger, so wrong....
What do you think is better? The new Vita? A rebranded PSP?
I'll bet you any amount of money that this console will be revolutionary.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def6e4a49e2ae8f2c050000KUWed, 08 Jun 2011 08:42:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def6e4a49e2ae8f2c050000
What the hell are you talking about Ellis?
Did you even watch the presentation?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def6867cadcbb0326150000GeoffWed, 08 Jun 2011 08:17:43 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def6867cadcbb0326150000
Guessing the BI team don't have typical families, cause everyone I know with kids went "yay" at the WiiU idea - also it'll be out in 2012, not this year!
Also it'll come with a new IBM CPU and an AMD Mobile Radeon HD GPU - <a href="http://wii2roundup.blogspot.com/2011/06/amd-powering-wiiu-graphics.html" target="_blank">http://wii2roundup.blogspot.com/2011/06/amd-powering-wiiu-graphics.html</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deeafb64bd7c8310e020000Jay GarvensTue, 07 Jun 2011 19:09:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deeafb64bd7c8310e020000
WRONG. On every level. They showcased a bunch of possibilities for uses of the controller. Holding it up in front of you, back facing the TV is NOT how you play the games. It's NOT supposed to be like the 3DS. You are so incredibly misinformed it's pathetic.
The touch screen can be used to select items, used as a map/radar/HUD, or you can play entire games on it, if your tv becomes unavailable, or you want to do local multiplayer/split screen gaming without having to split your tv into segments, and let everybody see your screen. You can pick plays in football games, you can do voice and video chat with it, It's power is far beyond what PS3 and 360 allow, and 3rd parties are excited at the creativity the power allows and what they can do with the controller as well.
It's backwards compatable with the Wii, has the latest and greatest HD games coming on to it (Arkham City/Battle Field 3) all with features that only Wii U can do. The controller has every single button that you can find on PS3/360 controller. The analog sticks are NOT like the ones on the 3DS. They are actual sticks, on a slider, with a texture and feel like the analog stick on the Nunchuck controller. It also allows the use of ANY Wii controller, including the Classic Controller Pro. It has by far the best tech, best graphics, best exclusive games and the most uniqe abilities of any console yet. Developers love the power, controller and online capabilities, which weren't even mentioned.
If I didn't know better, I would think the person who wrote this is either a troll, or a Sony/MS figurehead/fanboy.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deeae2a49e2ae63050a0000Truth 2 LightTue, 07 Jun 2011 19:03:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deeae2a49e2ae63050a0000
Oh and one more thing I have to add. I have a Nintendo 3DS and it has the "circle pads" on it instead of traditional analogue sticks. Its funny because once I used them I was telling all my buddies how I wished all future gaming controllers used these circle pads. They are low profile so they are easy to move accurately, thumbs seem to fit the pad perfectly, and the silicon prevents your thumb from slipping. Honestly, I'm happy that Nintendo is using the circle pad. IMO, its amazing.
Probably the one shinning light for the Nintendo 3DS at the moment though. LOL!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deeadbfcadcbb576e200000IMLightningTue, 07 Jun 2011 19:01:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deeadbfcadcbb576e200000
It's not going to fail. There is no reason to think that. Sure, not everything about it is new, but NOTHING about consoles like the PlayStation and Xbox is new. They pretty much increase their internal specs, but make no real changes. Don't get me wrong, they're still good consoles, but so little changes between their generations. As for this, it is guaranteed to sell for many reasons. The first being that it is made by Nintendo, who have had an amazing record in gaming, especially with the Wii. The second is that people will want it because they would otherwise be left out of the Nintendo games (which also sell amazingly and are overall great games) which only can be gotten on this console. Other reasons include innovative gameplay and the best gaming hardware out there (except for gaming PC's, which cost tons of money anyways) among others. While it is technically possible that this console could be an utter failure, it is downright foolish to assume it will, because I think Nintendo, who have been creating game consoles since 1981, know what they're doing.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deeac5f49e2aead7d0c0000Truth 2 LightTue, 07 Jun 2011 18:55:27 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deeac5f49e2aead7d0c0000
I love articles like this because you guys have no clue what you are talking about. Lets see if anyone can remember this: Remember when Nintendo showed the Wii for the first time and EVERY major news outlet said that the Wii would not sell well at all. It was almost guaranteed that it would come 3rd in the console race. It didn't have blu-ray, hd-dvd, or the best graphics. But guess what? Nintendo SPANKED Microsoft and Sony. Let me repeat that again, SPANKED the competition for the Wii/PS3/Xbox gen. As of today they sold 86.7 million consoles world wide, while xbox came straggling behind in second with 54 million consoles sold world wide, and lastly PS3 with 50.6 Million consoles sold world wide.
Was Nintendo conference bad? Yes, they did a bad job of getting information out to the masses. The truth is that this Wii-U is more powerful than the Xbox 360 and PS3 (confirmed by many developers). It of course displays graphics in 1080p. The genius behind their concept is that the system can be played off the TV. How many times have you played games on your main entertainment center, only to have someone come inside of the room and want to watch TV on it? Now both parties can compromise! G.E.N.I.U.S.
This concept ALONE will sell like hotcakes once parents find out the beauty of this idea. That only scratches the surface of the innovation that this new controller will bring. Personally I like how all my Wii peripherals will work instantly with this new system.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deea568cadcbb0661160000bernie lomaxTue, 07 Jun 2011 18:25:44 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deea568cadcbb0661160000
Just look at usage, who plays a Wii anymore? Real gamers aren't interested in motion controls / Wii / Playstation Move / Kinnect. Nintendo is going to get crushed in the next gen, I hate to say it, but believe it to be true.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deea5514bd7c8c075480000coolrepublicaTue, 07 Jun 2011 18:25:21 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deea5514bd7c8c075480000
Is it going to tank just like the Kindle is going to tank?
I think this idea is cool. Kids are going to love it. If the interaction with the TV is what the trailer says it is, that alone is going to make it a hit.