This is a discussion on Straight flush vs A high flush within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; what do I do on the river if I suspect he has the straight flush???? I mean I just called which is obv i thought

what do I do on the river if I suspect he has the straight flush???? I mean I just called which is obv i thought he had me since most are stacking here...but can I fold here and was this a good read by me or not good enough since i still lost money...my head hurts

Its a good read that you put on your opponent.. would have been a tough laydown i must say.. you got the ace high flush... i mean to lose to a straight flush is just unlucky and it happens 1 in i dont know a few tens of thousand hands... i dont really think you could have done anything different...

#3

3rd August 2008, 5:05 PM

c9h13no3 [8,362]

Never lay this down without a super-user account.

#4

3rd August 2008, 5:14 PM

joos [275]

Online Poker at: poker stars

Game: holdem

Why not attack weakness on the turn? Betting 1.25 into 5 is just weak

#5

3rd August 2008, 5:40 PM

nevadanick [8,289]

Poker at: live tables

Game: stud

re: Poker & Straight flush vs A high flush

Well played, IMO. Even if you had bet the turn instead of check, don't think villain was going anywhere. Sure, had a gr8 draw of your own after the flop, but it was still bottom pair, top kicker.

You could have bluff bet a royal on the river with a re-raise or all-in, but if you put him on the StrFl, then you know he would have called. Having you outstacked would only have cost you more and he certainly wasn't folding a StrFl.

Just one of those hands that brands "why me?" on your forehead. Had one of these hands about a year ago and I still remember it well - in hearts. Virtually the exact same sequence, too.

#6

3rd August 2008, 5:58 PM

KingCurtis [9,729]

Game: Holdem

Honestly I am impressed I made the read and just called, I mena who isn't stacking here so i guess this should be a brag?? no?

#7

3rd August 2008, 6:03 PM

switch0723 [8,451]

not shoving river here is a mistake imo and will lose you money in the long run. You have the 2nd nuts in a HU pot, you will get looked up by the king of clubs, even rag aces and 9's, hell even two pair will look you up at 25nl.

Therefore i edge slightly towards shoving>calling>>>>>>>>>>>folding

Unless villain is a complete nit who is only better then 9 of clubs here, then i fold, but thats rare

#8

3rd August 2008, 6:05 PM

c9h13no3 [8,362]

For some analysis to make it less brag like: I'm not crazy about the call preflop. Being out of position with a hand that flops poorly is not fun.

If this villain is aggressive & prone to bluffing, I could certainly see raising the turn. Otherwise I might just let it go. Our draw can get paid off by so few hands (Kc is the only hand that would really pay us), so its better to use the equity our draw has to bluff with rather than for implied odds.

#9

3rd August 2008, 6:09 PM

KingCurtis [9,729]

Game: Holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by switch0723

not shoving river here is a mistake imo and will lose you money in the long run. You have the 2nd nuts in a HU pot, you will get looked up by the king of clubs, even rag aces and 9's, hell even two pair will look you up at 25nl.

Therefore i edge slightly towards shoving>calling>>>>>>>>>>>folding

Unless villain is a complete nit who is only better then 9 of clubs here, then i fold, but thats rare

LOL, well yeah in any other situation I'm shoving obv, but what I am saying is that for some crazy soul read reason...I felt as if though i was beat, I mean why else would I not come over the top??

So with my read....was my call just stupid...why didn't I fold If I thought I was beat, and gawd I wish I would have folded how much of a brag would that be

#10

3rd August 2008, 6:38 PM

Mr Alacran [39]

Online Poker at: Full Tilt

Game: All

re: Poker & Straight flush vs A high flush

Fold PF. As simple as that... it's not a great drawing hand, and you'll be oop for the rest of the hand. As played, I would've repopped the turn to about 7 or 8 bucks, semibluffing... Then the pot would've been yours.

#11

3rd August 2008, 6:44 PM

SavagePenguin [7,579]

Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: NLH

You obviously lost the minimum there, and it was good for this one particular hand.

Most of the time you're going to get as much money into the pot at showdown as possible. One card had you beat, and there weaker flushes and straights that would have called you down.
But good read.

#12

3rd August 2008, 7:58 PM

switch0723 [8,451]

aye i agree with the good read, its just the play was pretty poor

#13

3rd August 2008, 8:03 PM

XiMaker [9]

Poker at: Full Tilt

Game: Holdem

Here is a case where I FLOPPED the straight flush and slow played it - come to find out he had the AK of the same suite and was slow playing his Ace High Flopped Flush. - He had no idea and he went down...

Those hands are crazy, IMO. If theres 4 to the straight flush on the board, whether its open-ended or inside, its still going to be hard to lay down the nut flush. All this could come down to is whatever notes you have on the player's betting style, and if there are none, I'd personally still have a tough time laying this down. He could have a lower flush and think you have a low one also, depending on how loose/dumb he really is

not shoving river here is a mistake imo and will lose you money in the long run.

Yes by all means when I am heads-up against you and have you covered, shove all-in with the 2nd best hand on the river. The all-in shove if one was made should have been on the turn.

#16

9th August 2008, 1:45 AM

switch0723 [8,451]

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbdbitl

Yes by all means when I am heads-up against you and have you covered, shove all-in with the 2nd best hand on the river. The all-in shove if one was made should have been on the turn.

I would willingly shove the 2nd nuts heads up all day. I don't really understand your post fwiw

#17

9th August 2008, 3:05 PM

nutzzcase [21]

........and u should go broke with the second nutz .Unless ur playing live and your opponent is eating oreos it's ev----- to do what u did.....

#18

9th August 2008, 3:14 PM

carpeamentum [74]

Online Poker at: Full Tilt

I am going to have to agree on the point that you should probably have attacked back on the turn.
However, on the river, I don't think you could have possibly gotten away, but with that read it was good to just call.

#19

9th August 2008, 3:49 PM

paumarhas [682]

Poker at: fulltilt

Game: holdem

you said for yourself, you had a feeling- that was your gut- that little poker voice talking to you, i know cause i've done the same thing by ignoring it. and within the second i'd made my move it was too late. i keep fighting it because i want to win that bad, but it ends up self defeating, when i don't listen.
and you can't bluff someone on that hand unless they're a complete idiot, would you of folded his hand, it would be much easier to fold your hand. and as far your read, reading your opponent just isn't worth a thing unless you act on it: opp-better hand/ fold; opp-worst/bluff-bet, etc..