I wonder how many people that are suddenly all for historical preservation for totally non-race based reasons also argued against the existence of the
National Museum of African American History and Culture. Looking at the threads where it's brought up on here I know there's at least a few.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
I wonder how many people that are suddenly all for historical preservation for totally non-race based reasons also argued against the existence of the
National Museum of African American History and Culture. Looking at the threads where it's brought up on here I know there's at least a
few.

I didn't see threads on it.

But most of the mainstream complaints I heard was that they were leaving out black conservatives like Clarence Thomas.

The difference is that the Alt Right phrase was invented by Richard Spencer to describe those folks who agree with a certain ideology.

SJW became a perjorative term picked up by some who think they're on the right-wing after its extensive use in "Gamergate" (asssociated most firmly
with Milo).

It originally stood for "Social Justice Warrior" ... I"m not sure how any of us could debate that social justice is a good thing. However, as I've
said and you noted as well, it has become a catch all term for some with any sort of "identity politics" (which is yet another catch all phrase.)

Core authoritarianism is the enemy I fight particularly when it attempts to contradict the principles of the US Constitution.

One side in this battle has been allowed to get away with far too much while being celebrated by the media and politicians, and the other side feels
like they are being backed into a corner.

I wish that the extremists on both sides would be drowned out by rational voices, but I don't see it happening.

i'd like to add to this:
wanting the statues to remain is not a white supremacy thing.... or a bring back slavery thing.
it is part of the united states history. we can't change the past but we can learn from it.

Uh huh. I'm sure you could, but in an effort to stem an otherwise wordy influx of nothing, how about you point me to the exact point I was making in
the first place....show me anywhere in any of those studies the hyperbole you were holding onto....the "evils of Whiteness"

You can continue to defend racism and it's symbols of hate...but like I told someone else, you are on the wrong side of history on this
one.

Defend racism? I think you are reading through a filter of your own making. How does my argument of compromise, preservation of history to learn from
and doing things in a legal rational manner say to you I'm defending racism? I'm opposing lawlessness and anarchy as any rational person would. Odd
how radical activists and their supporters always turn to mud throwing and slander as a tool. Or should I say predictable.

History? You mean the sanitized history, rewritten by those who think hiding it is rational? A history written by less than honest people with an
agenda to make change by force? People who never work with others to improve things?

Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, heavily influenced the Constitution, and served as our Third President.

He was also a Virginian and plantation owner and therefore owned slaves.

Should all the monuments to slave owners be repurposed? Or torn down?

What do you think?

I wonder, should we burn the Constitution, since he wrote it?

I think it is a waste of time and money to destroy our history, rather than learn from it.
I would not be opposed to making it a point at his monuments that he was a part of the institutional racist system of the time. That is how we
learn.
Erasing it would not help.

The concentration camps still stand as a memory to teach future generations of what we have been at times... as humans, and what should should strive
not to be ever again.

Uh huh. I'm sure you could, but in an effort to stem an otherwise wordy influx of nothing, how about you point me to the exact point I was making in
the first place....show me anywhere in any of those studies the hyperbole you were holding onto....the "evils of Whiteness"

So you did not read what I linked?

Of course not.

I am not going to repost them all here, go back and read.

Here is one snippett I posted that you couldn't be bothered to read.

With similar detachment from reality, Portland Community College claims that its annual “White History Month” initiative condemning the
many evils of “whiteness” will help to “change our campus climate” for the better.

Purging history is generally something done in countries like NK to control the narrative and by doing that the people. It's not something any society
of free people should want.

Having the statues moved to museums is something I'd imagine most people would be willing to get behind, but no rational person is going to condone
violence or destruction of property as the way to do it. With a little civics education and using the system instead of fighting it, things like this
can be done by consensus and peacefully.

I don't they should even be moved to a museum.

They should stay where they are.

In public view.

I don't like looking at butt ugly people. Should we put them in museums or out of sight in one place and charge admission?

The people who pulled that statue down should be arrested, where do they think they are?! Iraq?!

As a compromise between sides, moving them to museums might work towards satisfying both sides. Most who find those statues offensive are likely not
involved in the unlawful behavior and they need to be considered also. Working together for an acceptable compromise is not caving in, it's how it
should be in any democracy.

As to those who did the deed in this case, yes they should be arrested and charged. They should be hit directly in the pocketbook and spend a few days
without their freedom for their actions, so they know acts of anarchy have a cost in real terms.

Perhaps we could immortalize something at each of these monuments and buildings that clearly states that the United States of America has for what ...
152 years ... declared slavery illegal and established Amendments to our Constitution to enshrine the promise of our founding documents which state
that all are created equal? Or that we have for the last 50 years or so have created a system of laws which address continuing inequalities and that
we acknowledge that where inequality exists that we will be on CONTINUAL guard against it?

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