Why The Olympic Figure Skating Final Wasn't Fixedhttp://www.businessinsider.com/olympic-figure-skating-judging-not-fixed-2014-2/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Sun, 02 Aug 2015 15:11:47 -0400Tony Manfredhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/531be75669bedd9e0d1cd30eTony PleaseDoSomeResearchSat, 08 Mar 2014 23:00:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531be75669bedd9e0d1cd30e
Tony, just think with your head. How do you get higher artistry points with a messed up routine than those presenting perfect and sophisticated performances? Find the answer, please. Here are some references: Juge Alla Shekhovtsheva, the wife of the Director of the Russian Staking Federation and Tech Controller Lakernik, the Vice President of the Russian Skating Federation. Also, Yuna Kim was only 1.4 points less than Sotnikova in technical points and Kim got them all perfectly but Sotnikova messed up a big triple combination. Two-footing plus step-out should be given -2 to -3. Sotnikova got -0.9. Please find an answer for this as well, please.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530a7a626bb3f70d07e23235SammySun, 23 Feb 2014 17:46:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530a7a626bb3f70d07e23235
"They were basically even in the subjective "component score" portion of the judging. Kim got a 74.50, and Sotnikova got a 74.41.
If the assumption is that the judges screwed over Yuna, they didn't do it in the part of the judging where you give out points for abstract things like skating skills, choreography, and interpretation timing."
Actually, this is exacty where they screwed Kim, but mostly Kostner, out of the gold medal. Sotnikova was overscored technically in her short program while others were underscored technically: Kostner did a technically and stylistically flawless triple flip/triple toe combination, and a triple loop; Sotnikova did a much simpler triple toe/triple toe combo, and a triple flip, all in her gangly, strenuous-looking style- the difference is that Kostner made it look easy and flowing, Sotnikova made her simpler elements look sloppy and barely within her grasp. Sotnikova scores higher technical scores for a short program that was less difficult and less beautifully performed. Not even counting the fact that the components scores were roughly the same as well, despite the obvious superiority of most of the skaters in the top ten in regards to Sotnikova in the PCS half of the score. These are highly questionable marks for a skater whose international reputation is as a junior skater who has yet to mature into a lady; lacking a sincere, individual personality or style yet, possessing youthful energy and artless skating, who needs to improve skating skills and interpretation and sensitivity to/understanding of music and how to move to it. These are the things she needed to improve on to have a fighting chance to maybe get a bronze medal. In the course of one performance, the judges' scores told us that she suddenly matured in all the places she needed to, without having changed anything about her skating,
And in the long program, Sotnikova was grossly overscored in components, the field where her score should have been about 10-15 points lower than it was. At best, her performance was worth a bronze medal. In no way was it the kind of artistic and technical perfection that deserve gold medals. That is why people who actually know skating are confused at the nearly record-breaking components scores awarded to a program Sotnikova performed as a junior and just carried over into the senior ladies without any significant changes. In the future, this win is going down as one of the worst, and will be totally forgotten aside from the controversy it caused.
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I really don't believe they did. The way I look at it, even if one makes a little mistake, they can make up for it by adding extra technical points which the Russian skater did. They can still add points which could possible erase an error. That's the way I look at it, and that's the way she was judged. Doing difficult elements at the end also I believe earned her extra points. If you think about it, it should. Your body and legs are so tired, and it's chancy and gutsy to do difficult elements at the end of a program, and she did, and she did it successfully.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530a69706bb3f76755e23233DakotagSun, 23 Feb 2014 16:34:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530a69706bb3f76755e23233
Christine Brennan is a tool. I can't really recall an article she's written that doesn't blame someone or claim a conspiracy or some injustice. There is nothing positive in her writings. Same with Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post (Brennan's former employer). It's like they believe that the only way they'll get readers is to be negative.
I love all the questions about why they give bonus points for elements in the second half of a performance. "Shouldn't it be the same? A run in baseball counts the same in the first inning as the 9th" is the logic they use. Here is a simple answer. Figure skating is not baseball. And since you get points based on certain elements completed if they didn't give bonus points as the do then what you'd have is a performance with the first 30 seconds (when the skater is rested and fresh) filled with jumps, spins, twists, etc - basically all the required elements - followed by 2 or 4 minutes (depending on short or long program) of mind numbingly boring skating.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5309ec8e6da811583be51f82Chris HoaldSun, 23 Feb 2014 07:41:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5309ec8e6da811583be51f82
Almost every single component Stonikova performed was insufficient to mark such huge GOEs. The Judges did not give edge calls on her lutz jumps, obviously using a wrong neutral-to-in edge instead of a deep out edge, to intentionally give her high scores. Some people who don't even know much about figure skating emphasize Stonikova's 7 triple jumps were more than Kim's 6 triple jumps, but it doesn't mean Stonikova landed more jumps than Kim because Kim performed one double axel more. If the numbers of triple jumps that really matter, then how do you explicate Mao Asada's lower score with triple axels than that of Stonikova? With the same program Stonikova received a 50 points higer score than two months ago, which means there should've been giant improvements in her skating skills and other elements in a brief time, but it is impossible at all. The Judges and ISU, and all other figureskating big names defending the result should stop rationalizing the obvious faults and disgracing the spirit of Olympic games. They ought to be honest and make current fishy rules better and clearer for figure skating itself.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530994e869bedd6156f86d82KathySun, 23 Feb 2014 01:27:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530994e869bedd6156f86d82
The technical score was not fair at all.
1) The triple lutz of Sotnikova in free program was entered with the inside of the edge followed by under-rotated triple toe loop(From 2013 World Championship to CoC, TEB, GPF and European Championship, she tried tripe lutz seven times and was found to have used wrong edge six times and penalized on them).
2) Also, in her jumping passage of trip flip-double toe loop-double loop, Sotnikova made a big mistake on the landing of the last jump. But the penalty given was only -0.9. Such a big mistake called for bigger deduction with penalty for under-rotation and for two-foot landing.
3) Many including BBC and ARD commentators said that Kim's step sequence was strong level 4; but her step was evaluated by judges as level 3 in both program, which costs her a total of -1.2 in her base value(-0.6 and -0.6 respectively).
4) Sotnikova's triple flips in both program were not as great as Yuna's triple flips. Sotinikova's jumps looked heavy with poor take-off and a twisted posture in the air. The seemingly-effortless flows of Yuna's triple flips were feather-like. But, the judges actually gave higher GOE to Sotnkova's triple jumps. One of the judges even gave Yuna zero GOE for her flip.
5) The number of triple jumps cannot explain all. Yes, Yuna Kim jumped triples only six times whereas Sotnikova jumped seven triples. But, Asada jumped triples eight times in her free program. Asada's base values of her free program were about five points higher than Sotnikova's. However, the result was: Sotnikova got seven more points than Asada in free skating. Isn’t it contradictory? The "planned" difficulty of programs cannot explain the difference in the scores for those three skaters. The program should be executed with accurate techniques to earn high GOE. Yuna Kim has been renowned for her textbook techniques throughout her 18 years' career. So, she has earned high GOE for each techniques and this has been the key of her success. However, suddenly Sotnikova became a master of jumps in one month for the judges of this Olympic. It is a joke.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53091f306da811c22bf86d78dan09Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:05:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53091f306da811c22bf86d78
I'm sorry, but Sotnikova's performance was NOT clean. If you are biased or blind enough to say that she had a perfect performance even with her multiple shaky and double-footed landings, I don't feel the need to waste my good time to give you a counter-argument.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308db73ecad04180c4335dedmSat, 22 Feb 2014 12:16:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308db73ecad04180c4335de
Actually most of the skaters received their personal best scores, so I think that point is inconsequential.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308da526bb3f7da668c3a9edmSat, 22 Feb 2014 12:11:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308da526bb3f7da668c3a9e
actually you do not have to skate a clean program in order to win the olympic gold medal. All that matters in determining the winner is who has the most points. In this case, the Russian skater did.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308d74eecad045f0b4335dedmSat, 22 Feb 2014 11:58:54 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308d74eecad045f0b4335de
I was disappointed that Kim Yuna didn't get the gold medal. However, since the judging is random, we don't really know if the Russian and Ukrainian judges scores actually counted. There are 9 judges. The highest and lowest scores are discarded. Then the computer drops 2 other judges' scores. Unless all the judges, who were from different countries, were in on the fix then it would be difficult to assert that the Russian and Ukrainian judges' scores factored in determining the winner. As disappointed as I am, that part doesn't make sense. However, calculating the grade of each component appears more likely.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308b25269bedd8e09f86d7cMadcowrussian Sat, 22 Feb 2014 09:21:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308b25269bedd8e09f86d7c
Using word love again.if all the figure skating final was about giving love is definitely Yuna Kim win.Russian girl look obsessed,and far away form love.. Looked dogish to me.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308ae006bb3f726538c3aa3Madcowrussian.Sat, 22 Feb 2014 09:02:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308ae006bb3f726538c3aa3
As I think so many times,My dog deserves the gold than Russian skater if you say figure skating is only for difficulties.No artistic movement or expressions,or even heart? Hey ,My dog jumps 100 times without stop ,is she deserve gold? So funny.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308ad3b69beddb474f86d7aAnonymSat, 22 Feb 2014 08:59:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308ad3b69beddb474f86d7a
as in other comment,
so... it doesn't matter how many mistakes you made... it just depends on the difficulty of what you were planning to perform...
whether or not you performed it correctly?
what's the sense of having the artistic side of the sport, when in fact... regardless if you are in cue with the music, regardless how well you executed the program, it all boils down to how difficult you were trying to skate...?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308ac396da811643af86d78AnonymSat, 22 Feb 2014 08:55:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308ac396da811643af86d78
What I do not understand from this, is that the logic ... So you are saying that a skater has to just attempt a more difficult routine, regardless whether or not they can perfectly execute it.... because a higher score would be given to them, as compared to one who tries on a less difficult routine...
You can TRY to jump and do more spins, but it isn't important whether you are successful, 'coz the mere fact that you TRIED means that you get a higher score than one who PERFECTED a jump with lesser spins....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308a9ec6bb3f7e4458c3aa1Madcow Russian .Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:45:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308a9ec6bb3f7e4458c3aa1
Well,Russian girl who got first place looked like a mad cow running around.I totally lost interest in Women's figure skating after watching her.OMG!Will my dog win the Olympic if she just jump 1000 times with great music in it? Disgusted!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530842df6bb3f72c58c21bb3Tony the idiotSat, 22 Feb 2014 01:25:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530842df6bb3f72c58c21bb3
Katarina Witt, the former East German glamour queen of the ice, tweeted “Shame Gold Medal, Yuna Kim is a real queen”.
Alex Goldberger, Olympics researcher at US broadcaster NBC said “Adelina Sotnikova was excellent tonight, but Yuna Kim was robbed”.
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Adding to the intrigue is the fact that Russian judge Alla Shekhovtseva, is married to the general director of the Figure Skating Federation of Russia.
There were three other Eastern European judges on the panel but no Korean. And if fans in Sochi have taught the world anything at these Games, it’s that Eastern European nations cheer for each other if one of their own is not winning.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53084073eab8eab77840340eTony Sat, 22 Feb 2014 01:15:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53084073eab8eab77840340e
Man, this writer just has no taste. Really? you really can't see the difference in quality between the two performances? The reason people are outraged is because it wasn't even close. Have you seen Katarina Witt's reaction to the decision? It literally made her sick! Do you even know who she is?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53081c2e69beddba4cc21ba5asdlfkjFri, 21 Feb 2014 22:40:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53081c2e69beddba4cc21ba5
thats teh thing in the component scoring... should yuna kim get HIGHER? and the russian girl get LOWER? obviously having 4 russian judges on teh panel made it bias
this article... i don't even know why its supporting the current outcomehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308182e6da8116a37403404EllieFri, 21 Feb 2014 22:23:26 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5308182e6da8116a37403404
I'm sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense to me. If they were just skating because they enjoy being on the ice, then they wouldn't be competing in the biggest sporting event in the world - they would be at home on a rink. They wouldn't train for four years and spend countless dollars just to "enjoy being on the ice". Yes, the Olympics are a way for athletes to perform what they love the most, but the whole basis of the Olympics (even since Ancient Greece) is competition, and if you win, pride and nationalism. Win a medal for your country, come home proud, whilst doing what you love. So yes, we can all share love, but I think looking for justice in this case is necessary. This girl spent four years training and countless hours of her life dedicated to making her country proud, bringing home the gold, and everyone is right to think that she got robbed. Share the love? I doubt she feels like she got any. No one is saying it's "beautiful" to take away the gold medal from Sotnikova and give it to Kim, but then is it "beautiful" to let Kim go home with a silver when she could have very well been scammed? It's happened before, and it can happen again. This isn't some "petty" event where everyone should just "share the love" - if you want that, then don't watch competitive sports. They put billions of dollars and practice into this event and athletes should get what they deserve.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530815916da811bc2c403410EllieFri, 21 Feb 2014 22:12:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530815916da811bc2c403410
I don't agree with this, simply because this article contradicts itself. It says Kim was "spectacular, minus being a little stiff" (not an error in technicality, rather an error in subjective component score), whereas Sotnikova was also awesome but had a "slight bobble" on one of her landings (an actual technical error). The article then goes on to say that Sotnikova won because she had a "harder routine" and "didn't mess up". It was literally just stated that Sotnikova had an error - an error in landing that usually deducts quite a few points in figure skating rankings.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307eed7ecad046272403404Steve HanFri, 21 Feb 2014 19:27:03 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307eed7ecad046272403404
That "They were basically even in the subjective "component score" portion of the judging." is the big part of screwing Yuna Kim. The Russian girl did NOT skate cleanly. You can't compare "stiffness" to a tangible stumble on a landing and say both were clean.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307eeb66da8116106403406Greg MarsFri, 21 Feb 2014 19:26:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307eeb66da8116106403406
Nice try, but what about Mao? Mao performed 8 jumps, most of which were more difficult than the 7 that Sotnikova pulled off. Yet, Mao STILL received a lower second program score than Sotnikova did. Mao: 142.71, Sotnikova: a whopping 149.95. Can you explain that, Tony?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307e5bb6da8112f5840340bJ. SannikovFri, 21 Feb 2014 18:48:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307e5bb6da8112f5840340b
Please excuse my lack of fluency in English and please take no offense when I call you an attention whore. You sir are an attention whore. You are saying "no" to what the rest of the world sees just to cause uproar and get some attention. You think you know more about figure skate after your 5 minutes of research? compared to figure skating legend Katarina Witt? I'm not even sure if you have even bothered to look at the performances yourself. I have many faults to point about your lack of knowledge about figure skating in this piece of shit article but, many people already has done so in comment section so I'm not even going to bother myself. Unless your a simple moron I'm pretty positive you don't even believe your own writing. Hence the reason why I call you sir attention whore. Delete this article and save yourself from falling into a deeper shit.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307e39b6bb3f78f21c21ba6pstarFri, 21 Feb 2014 18:39:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307e39b6bb3f78f21c21ba6
Did you see Sotnikova's combination jump where she fell out of her landing? You call that "nailing" her jump? I beg to differ.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307db4769bedd7960c21ba3YouClearlyHaveNoClueFri, 21 Feb 2014 18:03:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307db4769bedd7960c21ba3
This guy clearly doesn't have any idea. You can take his words for a grain of salt.
Look at the article below..
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The article writer clear doesn't know what he's talking about. Do a little fact searching, see who was on the panel of judges, see how Adelina Sotnikova was about ~.20 points close to beating Kim Yuna's 2010 Vancouver scores. The fact that she was that close to beating Kim Yuna's 2010 Vancouver even though she made several mistakes shows you that it clearly was fixed and Adelina got a home town discount. Isn't it embarrassing that a NON-reporter has to correct you for some information that you could have Google'd 2 minutes?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307d53c6da811f817403408Home court advantage is nothing new, so get over itFri, 21 Feb 2014 17:37:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307d53c6da811f817403408
She skated really well and earned whatever the judges thought she deserved, so please stop crying about it. If you're just skating for a piece of gold you're doing it for the wrong reason anyway. They do it because they enjoy being on the ice. And stop spewing so much hate for an Olympic medal. The community's reactions to a single medal decision reflect just how toxic humanity can be. Can you learn to share love? Do you honestly think that taking the gold medal away from the Russian lady and giving it to the Korean is something beautiful? It's childish and plain tasteless. If they are truly competitive, they will have another shot at it two years later. Sporting decisions are never perfecthttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307cfaceab8ea8969403409IdejnFri, 21 Feb 2014 17:14:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307cfaceab8ea8969403409
obviously the author needs to watch the performance again. The russian made mistakes which is why this is an issue. Don't use the base value but go watch the performance. Go watch youtube clips, they are tons and its very apparent.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307b1ebeab8ea1a7e7100fdWhereisJusticeFri, 21 Feb 2014 15:07:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307b1ebeab8ea1a7e7100fd
BS. Sure, the Russian girl did a great job, but that's not what people are upset about. Russian girl did not make a clean jump, she CLEARLY stumbles. Difficult technique? Pffft. She deserves that score if she mastered it, but she didn't. But whatever. Russia girl and her home base advantage. People are upset because one of the judges gave Yuna Kim a 0. Try to make it less obvious that you're cheating your way for a gold medal, Russia. It's not fair, not only for Yuna Kim who showed a perfect performance, but also all other Olympic skaters who worked hard for that day and deserved fair scoring. Disappointing and low sportsmanship on those judges and curators, not only bringing the reputation of Russia down, but that 17 year old chick is going to have a lot of fingers pointing at her because SHE DID NOT ACTUALLY EARN OR DESERVE IT. Don't try to fool the readers with that "higher point difficult trick" bs. It's already sickening enough Russia cheated their way.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307a7b6ecad04747d7100ecLOLFri, 21 Feb 2014 14:23:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307a7b6ecad04747d7100ec
Idiot commenting on something he knows nothing about LOL.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307a6426da811874b898dechighly disgustedFri, 21 Feb 2014 14:17:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307a6426da811874b898dec
This article is misinformed and doesnt fully explain why Yuna Kim was scored so low, nor does it address that Kim was grossly underscored in the short program as well. Also, Ashley Wagner skated flawlessly as well, but finished 7th behind many skaters who fell during their routines. For example Russian skater Julia Lipnitskaia fell more than once, and yet still magically finished above Wagner. Lastly there need to be some accountability, as one of the judges scored one of Kim's jumps a "0", and that is simply unacceptable. Whoever scored that jump a 0 should never be allowed to judge again, as they have disgraced themselves and the integrity of the Olympic games by being so outrageously biased. There needs to be an investigation and uncover the clear corruption here, as this Olympics is tarnished and this result is not genuine...it is a fraud.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307a30f6da8110439898df1tony freddyFri, 21 Feb 2014 14:03:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307a30f6da8110439898df1
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2 judges gave ridiculously high scores to the russian that was out of line with the other judges in the short program...you don't think this carried over to the long program?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530787e3eab8ea1f6f7100eej mFri, 21 Feb 2014 12:07:47 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530787e3eab8ea1f6f7100ee
The clear proof that shows the judging was biased is not just based on this alone. Look at Yulia Lipnitskya who fell in both her programs and got 5th but then Ashley Wagner who made no mistakes and skated her heart out was behind her in 7th???? Sotniknova winning is a little questionable alone, she does not have quality artistic mature skating like Yuna Kim does and a lot of her positions were kind of awkward and unrefined, and I think that's why so many people are upset, but where Lipnitskya ended up to me is the clear PROOF that the judging absolutely was fixed and unfair.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530773b66bb3f7a21d14771dmz6yx6Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:41:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530773b66bb3f7a21d14771d
You did read the article saying the Russian Routine was more difficult having almost a 4 point advantage over the Korean. The Korean had a higher score in the how pretty I look catagory than the Russian. The question is whether the "wobble" on the landing is worth a 4 point reduction in score. A fall is only a -1 deduction. I am not sure if the -1 is the same scale as the 4 points higher in difficutly. If it is, then that still leaves the Russian with 3 points more.
I think if we had some qualified judges chime in, we could get a better breakdown of the two skates.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307686a6da811cf3c898df4Rewarded for RIskFri, 21 Feb 2014 09:53:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5307686a6da811cf3c898df4
More jumps=more risk of falling. She deserved the gold, because she took more risks. Get over yourselves!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53072f30eab8ea0e2e7100eeAlvin LeeFri, 21 Feb 2014 05:49:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53072f30eab8ea0e2e7100ee
you can't call it sportsmanship if the fans weren't participating...but I can completely understand where their fans are coming from. If your country has been screwed over by the judges in the last three Winter Olympics...all in pivotal moments that cost you and your country a Gold Medal...you would be mad as well. No other country in the world whines more than the U.S. so let's not go therehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53072e1decad04455a7100f1Alvin LeeFri, 21 Feb 2014 05:44:45 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53072e1decad04455a7100f1
it is increasingly OBVIOUS that Tony Manfred, the half-wit wanker who wrote this hack-piece was watching another skating program...because the one that the rest of the sane world saw was obvious indications towards Yuna Kim's, once again...OBVIOUS victory, however, leading to an OBVIOUS robbery by judges who were OBVIOUSLY paid off, or are about as retarded as the replacement NFL referees from years past. Adelina @#$!$%!@#$ or however you spell her last name had a sub-par performance that did should not have netted her in the top 5, much less top 3, and this retard, I mean Mr. Manfred says she won it on difficulty? I call BULLSHIT! Her routine is about as difficult as a routine colonoscopy...before making idiotic statements on a topic you obviously know nothing about, go watch the re-runs...Kim Yuna won this hands down, without questions.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530714016bb3f7bd5865d3e5perplexedFri, 21 Feb 2014 03:53:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530714016bb3f7bd5865d3e5
As far as I know, the Russian's routine is no way harder than Kim's. Adelina's three jumps were triple toe loop+triple toe loop, triple flip, & double axel. The first jump is worth the lowest point. But Adelina's GOE was higher than anyone else and I think that's where it gets controversial. If you compare the quality of their footworks, you can't say Adelina deserved any more points that Yuna didn't. And needless to say, Kim's level of maturity as a skater to combine all the elements into one complete story is just priceless. I personally think the judgement was flawed.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306f174ecad04747e65d3edskate loverFri, 21 Feb 2014 01:25:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306f174ecad04747e65d3ed
ok Mr. Manfred, you look like a figure skating expert... but I watched it and I have to skate Yuna got screwedhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306e76eecad04796965d3e7AleksFri, 21 Feb 2014 00:43:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306e76eecad04796965d3e7
Article no ochem. Copyright dickheadhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306e1f96da811fa6c65d3eePatrick StardomFri, 21 Feb 2014 00:19:53 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306e1f96da811fa6c65d3ee
Clearly this writer doesn't watch very much figure skating.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306d79569bedd077f65d3ecJamesPThu, 20 Feb 2014 23:35:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306d79569bedd077f65d3ec
You really think the components scores should've been similar? you might wanna watch the tape again.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306b7da6bb3f7a618eec717BooThu, 20 Feb 2014 21:20:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306b7da6bb3f7a618eec717
I guess you forgot that Yuna got robbed for her sp score. She even had more difficulty in her sp than adelina and yet adelina received almost the same score as Yuna. I feel bad for Adelina though, basically the whole world didn't think she deserved the gold.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306b2ac6bb3f75003eec716DTThu, 20 Feb 2014 20:58:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306b2ac6bb3f75003eec716
Second highest score ever awarded, for an imperfect performance?
Yeah, there was something wrong with the judges.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306adb8eab8ea6951eec721MTCiceroThu, 20 Feb 2014 20:36:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306adb8eab8ea6951eec721
This is a useful information. I hope they bring the matter before the IOC.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306aaaceab8eab048eec71anfgThu, 20 Feb 2014 20:23:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306aaaceab8eab048eec71a
If you watch the even, even the Canadian commentators said that they were shocked!!! Keep in mind that the commentators had watched hundreds to thousands of performances and they would know, as well as the judges, who deserved a higher score. Like seriously! GO QUEEN YUNAhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306a21c69beddfe38eec721coocooThu, 20 Feb 2014 19:47:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306a21c69beddfe38eec721
sotnikova, in my opinion didn't throw down a clean, and her whole thing didn't really fit with the music while kim's did.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306a20f6da811ca56eec71ejim.kim.714049Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:47:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306a20f6da811ca56eec71e
the judges.....wowser
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■ Judge No. 6: Alla Shekhovtsova of Russia. She is the wife of Valentin Piseev, general director of the Russian figure skating federation.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306a1d7eab8eaf130eec716JimmyThu, 20 Feb 2014 19:46:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306a1d7eab8eaf130eec716
I dont think you know enough to make what appears to be an objective argument. "Meanwhile, Sotnikova brought the house down" as an argument that her performance was better is beyond me. She skated in Russia, her first program was flawed and her score was inflated..which made todays program scoring error a bit easier.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306a0b1eab8ea2b2ceec718TanThu, 20 Feb 2014 19:41:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306a0b1eab8ea2b2ceec718
Kim Yuna was robbed plain and simple. There was buzz for days that a Russian skater would get the gold, and that's exactly what happened. A coincidence? I don't think so. No amount of spin is going to convince fans of the sport that Sotnikova performed significantly better than Kim or deserved the gold over the reigning champion.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53069ef069bedd9627eec724Julie UdeskyThu, 20 Feb 2014 19:33:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53069ef069bedd9627eec724
Really? Did you watch the short where the Russian landed a triple toe/triple toe and Yuna landed a triple lutz/triple toe? That combination alone should have put Yuna almost 5 points ahead of her nearest competitor not less then a quarter of a point. This competition was fixed, Yuna had the carriage and maturity where she should have been lightyears ahead of the Russian girl.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530695f4ecad040551eec718No Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:55:32 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530695f4ecad040551eec718
If you look into details of the additional points that Russians got compared to other players, you could see that clearly the judges gave them an uplift.....Do they really deserve the gold medal??
■ Judge No. 2: Yuri Balkov of Ukraine. At the 1998 Winter Games in Nagano, Japan, Balkov was taped by the Canadian judge Jean Senft explaining what order the competitors would finish in the ice-dancing competition before it took place. He was suspended for one year. He returned to judging and is certified by the international federation.
■ Judge No. 6: Alla Shekhovtsova of Russia. She is the wife of Valentin Piseev, general director of the Russian figure skating federation.
■ Technical controller: Alexander Lakernik of Russia, who has been the vice president of the Russian figure skating federation. He was voted chairman of the international federation’s technical committee in the wake of the 2002 Salt Lake scandal.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53068ef7eab8ea7063eec728BillyThu, 20 Feb 2014 18:25:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53068ef7eab8ea7063eec728
The judges placed the top 3 all within a point of each other in the short, and yet somehow found it within them to give Adelina a 5 point+ lead in the LP. Also this writer has no understanding of the ISU scoring system. The scoring on technical elements can swing from 70% of the base value with under rotation, to 3 bonus points per execution per element. Using the base value when Yuna Kim has the greatest jumping technique in the world is a farce.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53068e3eecad042f31eec71eAESThu, 20 Feb 2014 18:22:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53068e3eecad042f31eec71e
"Sotnikova had a harder routine and she didn't mess up." One might (and many well respected skaters and commentators have) argue(d) that she did, in fact, 'mess up'. In any event, today's events certainly did nothing to bolster this sport's (and its judges') credibility. It's a flawed, frustrating, and seemingly shady system.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53068c4eeab8eaa956eec71adennis.kThu, 20 Feb 2014 18:14:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53068c4eeab8eaa956eec71a
wow interesting! someone talk about sportsmanship!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53068b706da811ca7aeec718BooThu, 20 Feb 2014 18:10:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53068b706da811ca7aeec718
It wasn't the final that was the problem. Most skating observers were very surprised by the low score she was given in the short program. Her score was a 74.98 when it probably should have been more closer to 76 -77 range. If you add the 3-4 points in the short program which she deserved...she either loses by half a point or she wins by half a pointhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/530684716da8116d57eec71fshin.cThu, 20 Feb 2014 17:40:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530684716da8116d57eec71f
I agree with this article - the score isn't solely based on how many mistakes they did or did not make. Many Korean media outlets are passing around photos of Sotnikova falling, but that really isn't the whole point. I love Yuna and I think she handled the night very gracefully, but many Korean fans on the internet have really lousy sportsmanship.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306831169bedda544eec71fCobyL.457Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:34:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306831169bedda544eec71f
Can you say CORRUPTION? Yuna Kim out performed Sotnikova by far. Level of difficulty? Are you serious? If you screw up a maneuver, whether it was extremely difficult or easy, you still screwed up. The levels of difficulty between the two skaters were minimal at most. Yuna Kim's performance was "solid" and Sotnikova was not.
I'm not shocked at the judges considering Russia is one of the most, if not the most, corrupt country in the world. Just look at all the in-fighting in that country. Can you say INJUSTICE for ALL? The sad truth is that even their own countrymen know that the ruling was not even close to fair. These judges disgraced their own people. I can't see how Sotnikova would feel proud deep down. An athlete knows when they are beaten. I feel bad for her as well. We all know who the true winner is here!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53067e23eab8ea532aeec71fMJackson289Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:13:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53067e23eab8ea532aeec71f
Who paid you off?!?! Did you see the shocking surprise faces of Sotnikova and her coach when they found out that they had won the Gold? Even they knew that they could not possibly have won. These judges are no better than bunch of thugs on wall street. Kim performed flawlessly vs. Sotnikova did not. Regardless of difficulty, Kim was clearly the winner. Shame on the Russian judges! Even a 2 year can tell who performed better. The whole world knows this and would agree that Kim was the better of the two. The Russian judges disgraced their people by selling themselves out for a piece of a gold; Judas comes to mind! I mean... come on! On Kim's short performance just yesterday, she skated a perfect performance and yet these jackass judges gave her 4 points less than in Vancouver. If you are going to cheat, atleast make it somewhat smart and not so damn blatant!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53067d29eab8ea532deec718MarcDSThu, 20 Feb 2014 17:09:45 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53067d29eab8ea532deec718
Grade of execution for Sotnikova was higher than it should have been. Judges have been consistently giving the Russian skaters higher scores in execution than the other skaters. That is the part of the judging requiring actual judgement. Yet for some reason the Russian skaters in their home country all seemed to grade out with higher scores of execution than other skaters who executed...better. Go figure. Kim executed much more completely than Adelina and got lower grades.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306786069bedd2022eec718Concerned ViewerThu, 20 Feb 2014 16:49:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306786069bedd2022eec718
The results are a mockery to the sport. Kim was by far the best skater on the ring today. Sotnikova came down on both feet on one of her jumps. That's a critical error and immediately makes the entire routine unclean. I don't think there has ever been, in history of the sport, where an unclean routine triumphed a clean one. Also the difficulty between the two routines were minimal at best. Russia should be ashamed. They are never hosting the olympics again....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306784ceab8ea8318eec71dToniTonyToneThu, 20 Feb 2014 16:49:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306784ceab8ea8318eec71d
Glad the authoritative voice in ladies figure skating weighed in on this. We should all be so lucky to read and trust in the expert of Tony Manfred.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53067336ecad04655ceec718Lol?Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:27:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53067336ecad04655ceec718
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A "bobble". Yeah, right.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530672396bb3f7ed2f187d27W CThu, 20 Feb 2014 16:23:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530672396bb3f7ed2f187d27
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Sure it wasn't! It was in Emperor Putin's Russia... But it is Olympics. It has nothing to do with money, Politics, nationalism, unfairness, and mistakes.... Most if not all hosting nations cheat....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530671e469beddde08187d25gmThu, 20 Feb 2014 16:21:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530671e469beddde08187d25
The Russian two-footed one of her jumps, that's more than a bobble. This was definitely rigged.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530671906bb3f7a12b16d23fhcho3Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:20:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530671906bb3f7a12b16d23f
Clearly Russian skater got more points from their judges...
If look at their performances, Russian skater made a mistake, but Kim did not...
So, these judges gave more points to russian skater and gave less points to korean skater. It's clear these judges sold their souls.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306716f6da8118c0580b851c gThu, 20 Feb 2014 16:19:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5306716f6da8118c0580b851
Tony, can you write a post about why USA W Hockey did not choke?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53066beaeab8ea866916d245MTCiceroThu, 20 Feb 2014 15:56:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53066beaeab8ea866916d245
Yeah, but you are assuming that those artistic points were given fairly. At the end of the day, they both got the near equal score of about 74.50, but the point that each individual judges gave proper artistic scores to the two is neither here nor there. As subjective as it is, we cannot know, but is it possible that one single judge, with the her own subjective artistic appreciation, favoured the Russian over Korean for less than fair reasons? Certainly.
Another mistake you make (and perhaps a bigger one) is that you are equating the Korean's seeming stiffness to the Russian's bobble. The two aren't equal by any measure. One can skate clean with a show of stiffness, but one cannot be described to have skated cleanly with a bobble. When a bobble happens during the routine, it is no longer a clean show (in fact). You are therefore wrong when you describe the two as having displayed two clean routines. It was one clean against one non-clean routine, and the latter got the Gold. One does not have to be a college graduate to see the absence of logic in the Russian receiving the gold. Rigged? I do not know. Fair? Certainly not.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53066862ecad04a73216d245Jake WayThu, 20 Feb 2014 15:41:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53066862ecad04a73216d245
Even if you consider the free skate to be close, there is no way Sotnikova should have been only 0.3 behind Kim after the short. She shouldn't have even been ahead of Kostner. That shines light on the way judging was carried out and extended into the free. She may have skated the skate of her life, but to beat her previous best by 20 points? Obvious bias due to the home court and crowd.