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There will be no purple in Halo 4: Blue Covenant Theory

[url]http://forums.halo.xbox.com/yaf_postst92210_Weapons-and-Vehicles-Comparison.aspx[/url]
This is an excellent thread on Waypoint that has comparisons of Halo 4 weapons compared to previous recent iterations.
Now, we all know about Frankie's quote ages ago:
[quote][b]Posted By:[/b] Frank O'Conner
There will be no purple in Halo 4[/quote]
1. Go into the thread, see the Covenant comparisons.
2. Also look at the renders on Halo Waypoint/Halo 4
What do you see? Aside from the definite increase in detail, I have noticed that [b] all the Covenant weapons have turned from purple to blue. [/b]
The best comparison is the Carbine.
Is this similar to the Green Separatist Phantoms we saw in Halo 3? Is this Covenant organization changed its color configuration because they oppose the normal Covenant?
Also, the Storm Rifle is the replacement for the Plasma Rifle, and it is blue. Edit: It appears Purple, but that could be an exception.
There is also a Grunt called the Storm Grunt, alluding to weather/rain/lightning related names.
Discuss.
[Edited on 06.22.2012 5:35 PM PDT]

I'm fine as long as Covenant ships are still purple inside :P
It was always my theory that Covenant tech was purple because from an Elite's perspective, that is the colour of blood. Thus, blood coloured ships are pretty intimidating.
Imagine being in a crimson red space, or being attacked by a blood red aircraft. As a human it would be kind of freaky.

One of the keys in figuring this out is the brief showing of Covenant in the H4 demo. Notice the Jackal that is with the Elite. No known jackals ever joined the Separatists, which means every jackal and elite were on an opposite sides of the war. This means more than likely this is a splinter group or even an outcast group that is stuck, possibly never having even heard of the Separatists. It certainly would explain the more cut-down look of the elites.
Then again, Jackals are mercenaries, and possibly just being payed to work with elites again, but I find that to be a very unconvincing reason.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] leoleonaj
What about the ghosts and banshees they are still purple[/quote]Banshee is largely unchanged because the guy who made the Reach Banshee is apparently working on the H4 Banshee.
I think this was answered in a weekly bulletin.
[Edited on 06.26.2012 9:49 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324
But why bring back old tech when ONI is pulling new tech out of its ass? E.g Spartan IV's, reverse engineered Forerunner Slipspace drive in UNSC Infinity, etc.[/quote]
We'll see when the game comes out if the bother giving an in-canon reason.[/quote]
Because they've only reverse engineered a limited amount of the new technology, meant for large scale constructs and prototypes.
Honest question: do you just like complaining about everything with the lable Halo 4 on it?[/quote]
I complain about the stuff I have issue with. The things I don't have issue with, I don't complain about. You don't see me -blam!-ing about the Scorpion tank looking exactly the same do you?
Still, for them to reverse engineer Forerunner tech means two things: A, they did it really damn quick considering how look it took them to do it with a Jackal shield gauntlet.
or B: ONI somehow has had a Forerunner ship hidden away for many years. Which doesn't make sense.
Edit: I'm curious, I've never heard anything about the "No purple" line NOT being from Frankie. So... care to back that up?
[Edited on 06.26.2012 9:42 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] leoleonaj
What about the ghosts and banshees they are still purple[/quote]
The Ghosts look more like blue to me...
But seriously let's not use this. It's too subjective for people to agree upon.[/quote]
It was also, as I said already, never confirmed by Frankie. A Kotaku reporter said it and passed it off as a 343i employee, convincing apparently everyone.
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324
But why bring back old tech when ONI is pulling new tech out of its ass? E.g Spartan IV's, reverse engineered Forerunner Slipspace drive in UNSC Infinity, etc.[/quote]
We'll see when the game comes out if the bother giving an in-canon reason.[/quote]
Because they've only reverse engineered a limited amount of the new technology, meant for large scale constructs and prototypes.
Honest question: do you just like complaining about everything with the lable Halo 4 on it?
[Edited on 06.26.2012 4:17 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] leoleonaj
What about the ghosts and banshees they are still purple[/quote]
The Ghosts look more like blue to me...
But seriously let's not use this. It's too subjective for people to agree upon.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] PhilWithFear
[quote][b]Posted By:[/b] Frank O'Conner
There will be no purple in Halo 4[/quote]
Well my Multiplayer armour will be purple, so there.
=P[/quote]
What if they remove Purple from the armor colors?

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324
But why bring back old tech when ONI is pulling new tech out of its ass? E.g Spartan IV's, reverse engineered Forerunner Slipspace drive in UNSC Infinity, etc.[/quote]
We'll see when the game comes out if the bother giving an in-canon reason.

Ever considered these may have been newer versions of the DMR. And that due to low ammo supply, they decided to pull every arsenal they could bring. And thus they brought with them some old tech.
Also one of the problems may have been that the BR, due to having three burst could become jammed. While the DMR, due to one, could when jammed could be fixed more easily than the BR.
There are many reasons. But i think they just took a whole bunch of ammo, and the dmr was being improved for further range than the br.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron
[quote]Although it saw more widespread use throughout all branches of the UNSC prior to 2548, it has since been superseded in use by the BR55 in all branches but the Army.[/quote]
Superseded: [quote]a : to cause to be set aside b : to force out of use as inferior [/quote]
or [quote]to set aside or cause to be set aside as void, useless, or obsolete, usually in favor of something mentioned; make obsolete[/quote]
In case of the DMR and BR, you keep denying they both are medium to long range rifles, with marksmen capabilities. I find this very, very amusing.
Also, you are saying that special forces can order them some muskets? They won't get laughed out of the building because of it?
AGAIN, I'd agree if it wasn't used for the EXACT SAME THING. Again, you are saying that because the DMR's were replaced by the BR, and both rifles do the EXACT SAME THING, they clearly have different roles.
Jet engines replaced propellers in fighter aircraft. Are you going to see a brand new propeller based fighter aircraft made today? NO. That is what is being said. Gun a(DMR) was replaced and succeeded by gun b(BR), now we are seeing both.
Using that comparison, it's like having a WW2 mustang variant created toward to work alongside a brand new jet fighter.
Course, if 343 would freaking just give us information instead of namedropping everything this could be avoided.
edit: Yeah, you win in proving my point exactly. The DMR is no longer in any real widespread use by any group other then the UNSC army. Likewise, friend in military told me special forces don't get to ask for ANY gun. They can ask for any weapon in the mission inventory.[/quote]
Battle Rifle=/= DMR by NAME. Two different roles, different ranges, by name.
My point is that the DMR is going to be in Halo 4 for legitimate reasons, the Special Forces point still stands, even if it has been superseeded, my point of it being present also stands.
DMR is in Halo 4, lets leave it at that.
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Have you guys seen the Covenant ship shadow on the Infinity?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0M7FJ9Qta8[/url]

Blitzkrieg!
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DonVinzone1
Also: there is no saying the Servants of Abiding Truth can't have had a sudden increase in followers. We don't know what happens between Glasslands and Halo 4 yet.
The fact that there are Grunts and Jackals with them also might contribute to their increased numbers.[/quote]Agreed.
[Edited on 06.25.2012 2:20 AM PDT]

[quote]Although it saw more widespread use throughout all branches of the UNSC prior to 2548, it has since been superseded in use by the BR55 in all branches but the Army.[/quote]
Superseded: [quote]a : to cause to be set aside b : to force out of use as inferior [/quote]
or [quote]to set aside or cause to be set aside as void, useless, or obsolete, usually in favor of something mentioned; make obsolete[/quote]
In case of the DMR and BR, you keep denying they both are medium to long range rifles, with marksmen capabilities. I find this very, very amusing.
Also, you are saying that special forces can order them some muskets? They won't get laughed out of the building because of it?
AGAIN, I'd agree if it wasn't used for the EXACT SAME THING. Again, you are saying that because the DMR's were replaced by the BR, and both rifles do the EXACT SAME THING, they clearly have different roles.
Jet engines replaced propellers in fighter aircraft. Are you going to see a brand new propeller based fighter aircraft made today? NO. That is what is being said. Gun a(DMR) was replaced and succeeded by gun b(BR), now we are seeing both.
Using that comparison, it's like having a WW2 mustang variant created toward to work alongside a brand new jet fighter.
Course, if 343 would freaking just give us information instead of namedropping everything this could be avoided.
edit: Yeah, you win in proving my point exactly. The DMR is no longer in any real widespread use by any group other then the UNSC army. Likewise, friend in military told me special forces don't get to ask for ANY gun. They can ask for any weapon in the mission inventory.
[Edited on 06.25.2012 2:13 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam
Again, how do you know what happens between 2553-2557?
Also, how do you know whether the Army is based on Infinity or not?
Modern Special forces can choose their weapons, whatever it may be, the Spartan 4's may be requested DMR's.
End of story, and no, they don't fill the same role, even their names contradict your statement.
Also, the M16 has FULLY replaced the M14, but it is still in service for the groups that want it/need it. [/quote]
I don't, neither do you.
Army = planetary defense/garrison force. Why would they be on Infinity? super unlikely.
So they requested a BRAND new variant of an OUTDATED and REPLACED rifle.
Um, same role. Medium to long range rifle.
If the M16 has fully replaced the M14, then the M14 wouldn't be in use. Also, as I hear, the M14 was the the assault rifle, then got switched role-wise. Likewise, what you are saying is like, a new variant of M16 comes out. And at the same time, a new variant of the M14 comes out. Aka, new version of an outdated rifle which has been replaced.
The DMR and BR clearly fill the same role(or similar), because why else would the DMR get replaced by the BR? If they filled two completely different roles (or even partly different roles), then guess what? there would be no need to replace the DMR with the BR.[/quote]
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
How many times do I have to explain it? Just because a weapon gets replaced, that does not mean it for fills the same roles.
That also doesn't mean that it has the same effect.
Jets replaced propellers. That doesn't mean jets are propellers have the same ability, or niche.
Even though the P51 Mustang was old and outdated, it was still used in the Korean War.
Same applies to the DMR.
Edit: I win
[url]http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/Universe/detail/a/c0dfea7c-87fa-4224-82ff-c44d93b73f03#imageNumber=1[/url]
Largely surpassed in production.
=/= Replaced FULLY
=/= Gone
=/= They threw all of them away
Halopedian agrees, although it was superseeded, it wasn't fully replaced, however, the only full reliant sector is the Army.
And again, my special forces point, modern special forces can choose their guns, regardless of it's origin, or age.
Same applies to the DMR, the S4's may have ordered some.
End of story.
Can we go back to the Covenant now?
[Edited on 06.25.2012 1:36 AM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam
Again, how do you know what happens between 2553-2557?
Also, how do you know whether the Army is based on Infinity or not?
Modern Special forces can choose their weapons, whatever it may be, the Spartan 4's may be requested DMR's.
End of story, and no, they don't fill the same role, even their names contradict your statement.
Also, the M16 has FULLY replaced the M14, but it is still in service for the groups that want it/need it. [/quote]
I don't, neither do you.
Army = planetary defense/garrison force. Why would they be on Infinity? super unlikely.
So they requested a BRAND new variant of an OUTDATED and REPLACED rifle.
Um, same role. Medium to long range rifle.
If the M16 has fully replaced the M14, then the M14 wouldn't be in use. Also, as I hear, the M14 was the the assault rifle, then got switched role-wise. Likewise, what you are saying is like, a new variant of M16 comes out. And at the same time, a new variant of the M14 comes out. Aka, new version of an outdated rifle which has been replaced.
The DMR and BR clearly fill the same role(or similar), because why else would the DMR get replaced by the BR? If they filled two completely different roles (or even partly different roles), then guess what? there would be no need to replace the DMR with the BR.

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324
They could be the Elite faction that wanted humans dead. They have a different colour and the Covenant enemies seen in the gameplay were being lead by Elites.
If they were regular Covenant, I'd assume they would have been led by Brutes.[/quote]
yeah maybe the new enemies will have purple somewhere

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam
The DMR in Reach was a prototype.
The DMR in Halo 4 is likely the real thing
The DMR is not the same as a battle rifle.
Tell me why the Army uses Mk14, M16 and the M21.
Three different weapons, three different ranges.
343i is trying to keep the Covenant in, because frankly without them majority of Halo fans will be disheartened. Sad truth but we must accept it. [/quote]
As said, the DMR was not a prototype.
DMR and BR still provide the same role basically. Medium to long range rifle. Also, America still has to replace some of the older rifles due to logistic's. We don't see them going "This rifle was completely replaced by that rifle." yet.
The DMR was outright REPLACED, meaning, the BR is the better one. So why the heck is it back? Hell, why is the Infinity carrying Falcons from Halo Reach?(While I absolutely love the vehicle, it seems something more in line with planetary garrison due to the fact it can't load onto a pelican for taking from a ship to the ground.)
As for the Covenant, I think the majority of Halo fans expected them to be defeated and GONE. You know, brand new enemies without the old. Having them there just prolongs the war. The war which we physically saw END in Halo 3.
Edit: Um, the UNSC army is a DEFENSIVE group. I doubt we'd see them placed on the Infinity. Marines yes, army no.
And again, the M14 is still around because the US army hasn't fully replaced it. The DMR was OUTRIGHT FREAKING STATED that it had been completely replaced.[/quote]
Again, how do you know what happens between 2553-2557?
Also, how do you know whether the Army is based on Infinity or not?
Modern Special forces can choose their weapons, whatever it may be, the Spartan 4's may be requested DMR's.
End of story, and no, they don't fill the same role, even their names contradict your statement.
Also, the M16 has FULLY replaced the M14, but it is still in service for the groups that want it/need it.

Before Reach, the DMR was being phased out. By Halo Reach, the army was the only branch left where it was still active.
I personally would have still liked to be Covenant in Halo 4, but not the way they are. I'd like to see all the different factions from each race.
Hell we MIGHT have had Elite allies (if Glasslands didn't portray most Elites as wanting humans dead), and then we would have had Elites in MP canonically.
[Edited on 06.24.2012 10:31 PM PDT]

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam
The DMR in Reach was a prototype.
The DMR in Halo 4 is likely the real thing
The DMR is not the same as a battle rifle.
Tell me why the Army uses Mk14, M16 and the M21.
Three different weapons, three different ranges.
343i is trying to keep the Covenant in, because frankly without them majority of Halo fans will be disheartened. Sad truth but we must accept it. [/quote]
As said, the DMR was not a prototype.
DMR and BR still provide the same role basically. Medium to long range rifle. Also, America still has to replace some of the older rifles due to logistic's. We don't see them going "This rifle was completely replaced by that rifle." yet.
The DMR was outright REPLACED, meaning, the BR is the better one. So why the heck is it back? Hell, why is the Infinity carrying Falcons from Halo Reach?(While I absolutely love the vehicle, it seems something more in line with planetary garrison due to the fact it can't load onto a pelican for taking from a ship to the ground.)
As for the Covenant, I think the majority of Halo fans expected them to be defeated and GONE. You know, brand new enemies without the old. Having them there just prolongs the war. The war which we physically saw END in Halo 3.
Edit: Um, the UNSC army is a DEFENSIVE group. I doubt we'd see them placed on the Infinity. Marines yes, army no.
And again, the M14 is still around because the US army hasn't fully replaced it. The DMR was OUTRIGHT FREAKING STATED that it had been completely replaced.
[Edited on 06.24.2012 10:24 PM PDT]

Halo CE was basically the story of human survivors from Reach, discovering something huge.
I doubt they had every weapon the UNSC had on them.
Although I agree that there are more important things to talk about (I'm actually glad the DMR is back), your post that the Halo Reach DMR being a prototype was VERY wrong. It was a finished product. The Halo 4 DMR is just an improvement.
And I THINK, I am not sure, that Chief's "new" armour is Mark VI. It looks different because of artistic license. 343 didn't want to totally rip off Bungie (which in the case of Chief's armour I think they should have).
Cortana claims to have done some "software upgrades" but that cannot change the outward appearance of the armour...

[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quantam
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Cmdr DaeFaron
Um, yes it does matter. You might not give a flying -blam!- about canon details, but I do. And so do others.
In terms of canon, the UNSC is either A: introducing a subpar rifle compared to the BR85 (Because the DMR from Reach had been replaced entirely by the BR55 in all groups but the army) or B: Introducing a rifle that becomes redundant with the presence of the BR85.
Edit: It's like, today, they release a new version of the Stg 44 (WW2 assault rifle), alongside the Stg 77 (modern assault rifle), and fielded both at the same time. The Stg 44 was discontinued and replaced. It just doesn't make sense. That is what I'm talking about. Or like, the Tiger Tank and Leopard 2. You won't see them pulling out a Tiger tank to fight alongside a Leopard 2 would you?
343 sounds like it's just stuffing the weapons sandbox so they can claim it's bigger and better. Hell, probably the main reason the Covenant are still around so they can just use those weapons and vehicles.
As for the fleet... [quote]John makes his way to the aft observation deck, viewing a large Covenant fleet surrounding the Forward Unto Dawn while multiple boarding crafts dock with the heavily damaged aft section of the frigate.[/quote] Is what I'm going off of.[/quote]
The DMR in Reach was a prototype.
The DMR in Halo 4 is likely the real thing
The DMR is not the same as a battle rifle.
Tell me why the Army uses Mk14, M16 and the M21.
Three different weapons, three different ranges.
343i is trying to keep the Covenant in, because frankly without them majority of Halo fans will be disheartened. Sad truth but we must accept it. [/quote]*Sigh*
Go to your Reach stats in B.net. Go to summary. Hit the picture of the DMR. It should say something like "The DMR saw widespread use in all branches of the UNSC until it was superseded by the BR-55 in all branches but the Army".
This is canon. The DMR was replaced by the BR-55.
It's like me making a modernized musket. Sure it's better, and a different weapon than say the M16, but the point is... The M16 is just better.
Yeah I exaggerated comparing a musket to an M16 to get my point across. One gun is simply better than the other.
However in terms of gameplay, I'm loving it.[/quote]
Whether it was superseeded or not is irrelevant.
You know the M14? That was replaced by the M16 in the Army in almost all situations.
Yet the M14 is still in service today.
Every weapon has it's role. For all we know, the UNSC army may have had personal on the Infinity.
And frankly you are looking at it in the wrong context.
Why were there no Battle Rifles in Halo CE?
Did Halo 2 break canon?
No, it was done for gameplay, and adding new weapons for game play is fine. We should be focusing on the plot points that matter, such as Chief's armor, instead of something that is incredibly pointless.