April 30, 2011

Black Chamber Of Commerce Head: I Can't Believe I Voted For Obama— Ace

As part of my continuing campaign to prove I Know What Black People Think,* I'll link this interesting interview on Laura Ingraham.

"Meat so red," Allah says.

One thing Ingraham says is that blacks have generally hung together on Obama. Based on this and that Blogging Heads I linked, I'm thinking that it's more they've outwardly hung with Obama, while privately starting to say, "Hey, this guy's kind of, uh, what's the word? Bad."

Yes, yay team and all, but this guy is a failure.

* Oh, and if Baldilocks comes in to tell me differently, I'll just ignore her, because one of the benefits of Knowing What Black People Think, as I obviously so do, is that I don't have to listen when black people tell me what black people think, since I already know. To listen would just be condescending.

Oh, and if Baldilocks comes in to tell me differently, I'll just ignore her, because one of the benefits of Knowing What Black People Think, as I obviously so do, is that I don't have to listen when black people tell me what black people think, since I already know. To listen would just be condescending.

So what you're doing is using the logic of liberals knowing what conservatives think.

As part of my continuing campaign to prove I Know What Black People Think

Um...I already know what black people think. Ed Shultz had a special called the Black Agenda. I guess it's based on his experience living all those years in Fargo, ND.

Posted by: beedubya at April 30, 2011 10:36 AM (AnTyA)

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He just always thought that, 'This is mine. I'm head of the Black Chamber of Commerce. I'm black.' ... And then, out of nowhere, came 'Hey, I'm Barack Obama." And he said, 'Oh damn, where did you come from? I'm black. I'm entitled. There's a Marxist man stealing my profits!"

Posted by: Father Pfleagar at April 30, 2011 10:38 AM (th0op)

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What's really maddening is that the GOP is too stupid to take this and use it to their advantage.

Posted by: beedubya at April 30, 2011 10:38 AM (AnTyA)

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The real race hustlers, Jackson, Sharpton, and their ilk, will say that Obama isn't really black before they'll admit he is black and a complete failure. Oh, and that he never really had a chance because racists like Pelosi and Reid were undercutting him by, um, giving him everything he wanted. Or something. All I know is that it's my fault.

Posted by: pep at April 30, 2011 10:40 AM (gmlb7)

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Damn white people with your black people thinking crap. Don't get them thinking. You trying to put me out of a job?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at April 30, 2011 10:40 AM (th0op)

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obviously, if he's an employed black man, looking to profitably run a successful business, then he's an Uncle Tom. We can disregard anything he says

Ed Schulz should have a special on MSNBC called "The Shithead's Agenda".

He could write it, edit it, act it out. It would be autobiographical. Maybe with Howard Dean as a supporting player, and a cameo by Lawrence O'Donnell.

And what Black Americans think? Suprisingly, they are individuals. Many voted for Barack out of a sense of racial identity, but there are a lot of Americans of African ancestry having "second thoughts". Just my opinion from actually, you know, interacting with non-white Americans.

Take off his nuts and turn out the lights and he's one mighty impressive black woman.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2011 10:43 AM (pW2o8)

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Alford is the same guy that made Barbara Boxer look like an idiot. OK..she's made herself look like an idiot all on her her own...but he was there

Posted by: beedubya at April 30, 2011 10:43 AM (AnTyA)

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The far left has spent almost 100 years turning the blacks back into slaves. Obama's favorite book, Native Son, by Richard Wright who himself was a south side black explains in perfect detail how the communists wanted to use the blacks in the united states to change our govt. The cause is communist and they have been key parts of the process to bring on marxism forever. They have been steeped in it and black theology was even created to force it all home. I doubt that their minds can be changed away from the communist plan in less than 4 generations, especially with their marriage and abortion statistics.

Barack is a failure and a screw-up as the President because of his philosphy, his political ideas. The color of his skin contributed to this because of all the silly AA things that happened along the way, and the way he purposedly self-indoctrinated himself and his identity politics, of which a lot of was from his white mother. But the AA stuff was pretty incidental. He's a grotesque egotist with a narcissistic fixation that is almost staggeringly crippling in its scope.

But the 2008 election had frankly little to do with race, despite all the huzzahs from the media piss-boys regarding the historical nature of it all.. If Barack Obama had never lived, Hilary! would have won in 2008 (and carried +95% of the African-American vote, too) and we would have a lot of the same garbage going on, because Hilary! too was a student of Alinsky, and a crypto-Marxist. It would have been historical that a woman such as Hilary! would have been elected too, and we all would have had to make nice as she too screwed up the economy. Barack and Hilary! are symptoms of a political and cultural sickness that has overtaken this country, and until that sickness gets cured, we will still be vulnerable to these kinds of shitheads. It will always be something historical with these guys, just historically bad.

Oh, I posted on Easter Monday -- I was hoping you'd be around. His wife says he's doing better under medical care, and this: "Please pray that he will follow through on counseling for himself and his family."

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Watching the video of Donald Trump in Vegas, OMG, I knew he had bad hair but what was that thing?
I think maybe Trump is vying for the African American vote whipping out the f bomb like that. He was like Chris Rock up in there.

Whoa. At the very least, he's the enemy of your enemy. Let's get picky after we've won.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 30, 2011 10:55 AM (1fanL)

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Isn't it strange that we really haven't heard anything from the stalwart republican, Colin Powell?

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2011 10:57 AM (mQ8a3)

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Actually there is nothing in Obama's makeup which speaks to Blacks from an American perspective. He was raised by white people, is half white, and his black ancestors were not slaves. It's why Obama had to go to Chicago and attend trinity church and learn to be Black. I'm waiting on blacks to make the connection that except for some darkening of his skin Obama isn't really black to begin with.

Posted by: Rocks at April 30, 2011 10:57 AM (th0op)

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>>> He is delusional. He thinks the repub will get 30% of the black vote. HA.
I'm guessing Obama will get above the historic average for Dems, which I think is like 88%, and get 90% or so.
However, I think there will be a drop-off in black voting. Partly due to lack of enthusiasm, but partly due to the fact they don't want to vote for him, so they'll do a compromise non-vote: Okay, I'm not going to vote against you, but I'm also not going to vote for you; let other people decide it.
2008 was, I think, pretty obviously Obama's high-water mark of support. Only if the economy rebounded nicely and he brought in less-ideological voters who were basically just endorsing the economy could he have exceeded that.
That will almost certainly not be the case, barring a sudden black swan V shaped recovery.
So the question is: How much of a drop-off in liberal groups' intensity? A little bit, and he can weather the storm. A little more than a little, and he's in trouble. A little more than that, and he's done.

Whoa. At the very least, he's the enemy of your enemy. Let's get picky after we've won.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 30, 2011 03:55 PM (1fanL)

I think this is more of a cry by Alford for some attention from President Petey. He pretty much said that he disagreed with Petey on about every issue, but voted for him anyway.

All it's going to take from Petey to smooth this guy's ruffled feathers is a private phone call...or a waiver for his business on healthcare.

Sorry...not impressed

Posted by: beedubya at April 30, 2011 11:01 AM (AnTyA)

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Here's a quote from an article:
The levels of participation by black, Hispanic and Asian eligible voters all increased from 2004 to 2008, reducing the voter participation gap between themselves and white eligible voters. This was particularly true for black eligible voters. Their voter turnout rate increased 4.9 percentage points, from 60.3% in 2004 to 65.3% in 2008, nearly matching the voter turnout rate of white eligible voters (66.1%). For Hispanics, participation levels also increased, with the voter turnout rate rising 2.7 percentage points, from 47.2% in 2004 to 49.9% in 2008. Among Asians, voter participation rates increased from 44.6% in 2004 to 47.0% in 2008. Meanwhile, among white eligible voters, the voter turnout rate fell slightly, from 67.2% in 2004 to 66.1% in 2008.
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I'm thinking black participation will fall back to average due to the compromise non-vote effect.
I expect the other minority groups whose surge in participation can be partly attributed to a non-white candidate will also fall back to historic averages, except maybe Hispanics, who I think will tend to vote as if it's a good Bush-like year, that is, voting 42% or so for the GOP.

Posted by: ace at April 30, 2011 11:02 AM (nj1bB)

44It does make me wonder what would have happened had Hillary won their primary. Not that I like or respect the woman, but I just think she's less of a communist dictator-lover than Obama is.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2011 03:49 PM (pW2o

Don't fool yourself. She's as much of a communist is Barky is. Our country would be in the exact same position, if not worse, if Bill's wife had been elected.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2011 11:03 AM (mQ8a3)

45His estimate of only ~30% of black support for Obama in 2012 was eyebrow-raising.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2011 03:53 PM (uFokq)

Yeah, I would put this at black enthusiasm is at 30% of what it was in 2008. Obama will get the same level but less will show up.

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I think among white voters maybe some didn't vote (participation fell) due to lack of interest in the candidate but also maybe that compromise non-vote-- okay, I guess i"m a racist if I vote against him, so I won't vote.
That should be reversed as well.

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hilarious, of course, one of the benefits of being a liberal is Knowing What Black People Think. It's part of their magical power of doing things smarter by not knowing anything about how the real world works.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 30, 2011 11:04 AM (QxSug)

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"Watching the video of Donald Trump in Vegas, OMG, I knew he had bad hair but what was that thing? "
It's not his hair. It's one of those weird hats that's all the rage in the UK.

Posted by: Any Topic But the Huckster, Please! at April 30, 2011 11:04 AM (dDbkT)

Your point also demolishes the "RACIST!" charge that is becoming tedious and increasingly worthless. Sure, there were some people who voted for McCain and against Obama simply because of skin color (ignoring the 95% black vote for Obama, because, as we all know, they can't be racist), but all of the people I have spoken with voted against Obama (pbuh) because they knew he was going to suck and his policies scared them.

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>>>Sorry...not impressed
Why don't you give people more of a chance to join the team instead of setting up barriers?
He didn't just admit he voted for Obama just because he was black; he *confessed* it with a rueful laugh.
What did you think he was going to say?
He was being candid and not bullshitting you. He could have dressed it up in a non-racial "I thought he'd bring the country together" but he candidly confessed voting for him just on race.
People do dumb or less-than-ideal things all the time. That's not remarkable.
It's worthy of remark when they admit to it, and implicitly are telling you "Once burned, twice shy."

59I'm guessing Obama will get above the historic average for Dems, which I think is like 88%, and get 90% or so.

I had thought it was typically 93% and in 2008 he got 96%.

He will still get above 90% of the black vote, but more than likely the turnout will be lower in 2012.

As for the Republican turnout if we run another McCain it will be low in 2012 as well.

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2011 11:08 AM (M9Ie6)

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Hillary would have been similar politically but you would not have seen the type of idiots in her administration as Obama's. More militantly feminist.

Posted by: Rocks at April 30, 2011 11:08 AM (th0op)

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"He's a grotesque egotist with a narcissistic fixation that is almost staggeringly crippling in its scope."
Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at April 30, 2011 03:52 PM
Talk about WORD SWOON! Are you Ace's brother from another mother?

Here's a fun video. Some radio guy takes the "racist" charge from C**ntessa Brewer and turns it around on her...calls her a "racer"

..sorry Ace, but the context is in the BC issue

Posted by: beedubya at April 30, 2011 11:11 AM (AnTyA)

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#39 Odd that he went to learn about being black from a guy who paler than Charlie Crist, ain't it. Maybe he's not the only one in that equation who was compensating for being inauthentic or whatever.

Mr. Hillary Clinton is pushing Drill Here, Drill Now. At the very least, she isn't as naive as Boy Blunder.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 30, 2011 04:06 PM (1fanL)

There is a big difference between bill and hillary. Hillary is a raging leftist. So much so that when she was first lady they put a muzzle on her. Hillary ran to the left of Obama in the primaries on several issues. The individual mandate on health care for instance, Hillary was for and Obama lied saying he was against it. She is more Hawkish than Obama but hawkishness is losing it's luster for me these days with the endless wars.

Posted by: robtr at April 30, 2011 11:12 AM (MtwBb)

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As for the Republican turnout if we run another McCain it will be low in 2012 as well.

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2011 04:08 PM (M9Ie6)

I disagree. I think that are are many more issues with which to energize the Republican voters.

You're being pessimistic, which is understandable because you are dead.

76You're being pessimistic, which is understandable because you are dead.

Yeah but I'll still not vote for a Dem. That includes a Dem with an "R" after his name like Romney.

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2011 11:16 AM (M9Ie6)

77... Okay, I'm not going to
vote against you, but I'm also not going to vote for you; let other
people decide it.

That certainly happened with disaffected conservatives.There will be less participation and your 90% est. seems right but I don't understand why minorities and lowest income brackets identify with him.

That will almost certainly not be the case, barring a sudden black swan V shaped recovery.

Markets are in a commodities speculation bubble that will last several years so it is mathematically impossible at this point for that to happen. Inflation is already outpacing income gains for +70% of Americans.

So the question is: How much of a drop-off in liberal groups'
intensity? A little bit, and he can weather the storm. A little more
than a little, and he's in trouble. A little more than that, and he's
done.

The Prosser election is the bellwether here. If they couldn't get that done in one of the bluest states it's not happening nationally.

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I was hopeful that Hispanics would not vote for Obama in the numbers they did in the last election but was wrong. I asked a few that I know and they told me they thought he was a better bet for amnesty and basically they decided to vote for whatever candidate would get them drivers licenses, etc. After LaRaza came out and essentially made it a "brown/black versus white vote" I knew it would be Obama in the White House.
The only hope I have now is that more republicans will vote instead of staying home and the independent whites are now over the "historic" aspects of voting for a black man.
I also believe that many Clinton dems will not vote for Obama as the voting in the 2010 election showed me that many blue dog dems voted republican. Many blue dog dems lost their seats last year and I hope that is a good sign for us.
It all IMO depends on the candidate the republicans put up against Obama. I hope we choose wisely. Right now I don't see a candidate who has said declared that has the balls to take it to Obama.

Posted by: gesc at April 30, 2011 11:17 AM (8OCEM)

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If a person who plays the race card all the time is a Racer would someone who does it quickly and well be Speed Racer? Also, why do Racers hate NASCAR?

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She is more Hawkish than Obama but hawkishness is losing it's luster for me these days with the endless wars.

Posted by: robtr

They are both Statists, believing in the ultimate power of the State to solve all our personal troubles. And when the Great Engine of the State does not work right, then some tinkering is in order. Sometimes flat out banging on the social machinery. We will be at the flat out banging on the machinery stage pretty soon.

Marxist-Leninism is just a set of codifed principles that all the Statists used to communicate their allegiance to the same basic ideas. They can use certain key words and let the others know "We're all on the same team, here". The biggest difference between Barack and Hilary! is that Barack is less organized and disciplined, but appeared to be more charismatic in 2008 (illusion!).

Actually it had to do with some kid named "Petey" that played a trombone in some teen-age rights of passage movie that someone linked to (this morning?). It's spreading meme! Catch it and be a trend setter!

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Wisconsin is red except for Milwaukee and The Peoples Republic of Madison.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 30, 2011 11:24 AM (yQWNf)

9186 Not being from Wisconsin I was stereotyping but, the democrat machine is strong there and if having you financial nuts cut off doesn't turn out the lot then they have a big problem.

Posted by: Beto at April 30, 2011 11:25 AM (H+LJc)

9245His estimate of only ~30% of black support for Obama in 2012 was eyebrow-raising.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2011 03:53 PM (uFokq)

Yeah,
I would put this at black enthusiasm is at 30% of what it was in 2008.
Obama will get the same level but less will show up.

Posted by: Rocks at April 30, 2011 04:03 PM (th0op)

This. The same people who saw Obama's election as a proxy of their own advancement in society will see his replacement as a slap in the face. They won't vote against him.

But. If the economy is grim (and it will be), they're gonna have a hard time motivating themselves to get to the polls, especially if it looks like he'll lose anyway.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 30, 2011 11:25 AM (QgI7g)

93Yeah and he hammered her relentlessly on her vote for the Iraq war. That sealed the deal with primary voters.

If I remember correctly Hillary won most of the primaries. It was the caucuses and the "super delegates" that put him over the top.

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2011 11:25 AM (M9Ie6)

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Personally, I'm getting tired of "black vs. white" as far as opinion is concerned. I know a lot of whites and blacks who voted for Barky (Petey - I like that) who hate this country and the Consititution because that's what they were taught in school. All Petey had to do was tap into that America-hate. This has been the culmination of many many years of indoctrination by our beloved publik education system.

But he's also a businessman. It's crunch time, as you all know. And these are the times when liberals in the real world, i.e., business owners and tax payers, second guess their tendencies toward big govt socialism.

Point is men and women like Alford are ripe for the picking.

As Michael Corleone would say, "We got people in the newspaper business, right? I think they'd like a story like this."

The GOP is the business/entrepreneur-friendly party, right? I think we can expand our party's membership by exploiting Obama's anti-business policies as it effects Alford's people.

Yeah and he hammered her relentlessly on her vote for the Iraq war. That sealed the deal with primary voters.

Posted by: robtr

And based on subsequent actions, we both know what a pair of lying hypocrites they both are. As a friend of mine once said, Hilary! would walk over a field of dead bodies to be President, and not think twice about it. They are both a pair of unprincipled schmucks.

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ace said: "I expect the other minority groups whose surge in participation can be
partly attributed to a non-white candidate will also fall back to
historic averages, except maybe Hispanics, who I think will tend to vote
as if it's a good Bush-like year, that is, voting 42% or so for the
GOP"

Bush never really got 42% of the Hispanic vote- in 2004 there was an exit poll that said he did, but its been debunked. The reality was high 30s. Rove keeps using that bogus 42% figure tho, to try and disguise the fact that his open borders Hispandering strategy was a total failure.

Posted by: Jon at April 30, 2011 11:29 AM (oB4iK)

100It does make me wonder what would have happened had Hillary won their
primary. Not that I like or respect the woman, but I just think she's
less of a communist dictator-lover than Obama is.

Clintons want to rule over a functioning country, Barry, not so much

Posted by: toby928™ at April 30, 2011 11:31 AM (GTbGH)

101At the very least, she isn't as naive as Boy Blunder.
Posted by: FUBAR at April 30, 2011 04:06 PM (1fanL)
Not naive, but definitely cynical.
63 Laura Ingraham must have some very very strange personal issues or something. Otherwise, I don't how she has remained single.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 30, 2011 04:09 PM (oDMwn)
Maybe she plays softball for the other team?

Posted by: joncelli at April 30, 2011 11:31 AM (Nvw83)

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i've been hearing for 2 years how Republicans/conservatives didn't show up in 2008. Do any of you know someone who did not vote? i don't.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at April 30, 2011 11:32 AM (++HrB)

103She is more Hawkish than Obama but hawkishness is losing it's luster for me these days with the endless wars.

Posted by: robtr at April 30, 2011 04:12 PM (MtwBb)

Funny part? Endless wars are a natural consequence of the liberal philosophy of war-fighting. We don't want to win, that might hurt feelings. We just want to have a nice draw.

If we fought like we did in WW2 since WW2, the world would be a much more well-behaved place. And the population problem wouldn't be quite as much of a problem.

I am past President and Current Board Member of the US White Chamber of Commerce. I will not be voting for Obama in 2012.

Posted by: Lilly White at April 30, 2011 11:33 AM (yQWNf)

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Let me unpack this post for the uninitiated:
A conservative blogger deploys his hegemonic white privilege to marginalize the authentic experience of the African-American individual. Â To validate his self-projected construct of "what Black people think," he delegates the narrative to a privileged but differently-gendered member of his own race. Â The substitution serves to feminize the message for the purpose of narrative palatability.Â

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i would say that Alford did a better mea culpa than Ed Koch or Mort Zuckerman did. The fact is that NONE of them have an excuse for ever being sucked into that vortex ... but if they are going to emerge, it is nice to see them coming out swinging.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 30, 2011 11:35 AM (G/MYk)

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102 - I do. He said that he was a conservative first and republican second and did not feel like McCain was conservative enough. So again with the purity test. I didn't like McCain either but was damn sure not going to sit home and have to admit I contributed to Obama getting elected.

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The really sad part is that the Indonesian holds American blacks in about as much contempt as he holds other Americans. He hates Westerners. Period. He only likes those who really hate America, but he still views them as useful idiots more than anything.

I don't know any Republican voters, so no, but McCain statistically "underperformed" more in "red" states than in "blue" ones, and more so in the more "red" ones. That means conservatives bailed on him.

It's a reference from the movie American Pie II where the Jason Biggs character is at band camp and he is mistaken for the mentally challenged trombonist Petey, who is supposed to be a savant with the trombone.

The Biggs character doesn't know how to play the trombone, but gets up and plays for the crowd, who eats it up, anyway.

NJRob made the comparison between the audience going wild for the "retard" even though he sucks...and how the the MFing MBM treats Obama even he does the dumbest shit .

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Clintons want to rule over a functioning country, Barry, not so much

Posted by: toby928Â™

Either of them leads to the same place. Really. I know it is sometimes easy to personalize all the stupid things done in the last few years to that idiot Obama ( I know that I think he's a vain,self-centered screw up), but Hilary! would not have been much different. It's matter of degree, not a difference in nature.

Hilary! actually might have been worse because she might have been more successful in compromising certain Republicans (and you know who they are) to support some of the same policies that Barack pushed through.

I don't think white voter turnout is going to be much higher than it was in 20084 or 2008, but I agree with ace that minority turnout will probably decrease a bit.

With the growth in the minority population though it probably won't mean that much. You can win a lower percentage from a larger voter group and end up with the same net vote difference.

Posted by: Paper at April 30, 2011 11:44 AM (VoSja)

128Let me unpack this post for the uninitiated
Swing and a miss.
Did anyone teach you reading comprehension while you were getting that Phd such that you could spot comedic devices such as irony? Clearly the integrative complexity of our writing is well above you.
Btw next time listen to the clip then you won't look as stupid when you say same race different gender and the clip highlights someone of the same gender different race.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 30, 2011 11:44 AM (msGEc)

129The Italian Chamber of Commerce is also known as "The Mob".
Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2011 04:42 PM (mQ8a3)
Such an unfortunate caricature. Now I'll have to entomb you alive in cement.

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120 - exactly. The superdelegates did it for Obama. There was a real fight about the whole thing. Donna Brazile and the party had the fix in for Obama the whole time. Donna Brazile was such a bitch on CNN during the whole primary. Donna and that guy Roland whatever his last name is - I wanted to punch the tv when he was talking. It is documented online somewhere about the caucus stuff. I forget the woman who put it all together online.

136I don't know any Republican voters, so no, but McCain statistically
"underperformed" more in "red" states than in "blue" ones, and more so in the more "red" ones. That means conservatives bailed on him.

There's nothing for conservatives to like in John McCain. He's not a conservative. He's out of touch. Remember when he told a crowd Americans won't pick strawberries for $45k/yr? His foreign policy principles consist of "we should mistreat whoever pissed me off last". Every time he's up for reelection he makes a sharp turn to the right before the election and then a sharp left immediately after.

The only reason to vote for McCain was to prevent Obama from being elected, and then hope McCain turned out to be better than we knew he would be. How could anyone expect conservatives to turn out under those conditions?

They both might try but the Clintons are subconsciously restricted by the fact that they are actual Americans who were raised in American culture. There are many mores and taboos that the Clintons wouldn't even think of violating (not because they don't want to, but just because the thought would almost never occur to an actual American). But Barky had no such attachment to American culture. He was raised as an Indonesian. He holds our culture in nothing but contempt.

Shrillary never would have gotten national socialized health care through. Part os this is because Shrillary would never have the uniform and solid backing of the media (because of skin color) but also that Shrillary would have thought like every other American did (several times) during the health care fiasco ... that "this bill is dead!" - as Rahm was advising after the Scott Brown election.

The biggest problem with the Indonesian was that we got a foreigner's view of the American Presidency, and a foreign view that is looking to exact revenge on our nation (mostly out of jealousy). This would not have happened under any actual American. The Clintons would love to be able to detach themselves from American culture like that, but they just couldn't. Of course, now that the taboos have been broken and the traditions destroyed ... formerly foreign ways of government operations are now here in the US to stay, which is why I had always warned that the damage being done was permanent.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 30, 2011 11:52 AM (G/MYk)

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134 I can proudly say that I have never voted for a democrat for anything, ever, and I am 47.

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I recall a recent survey posted at HA showing Hispanic support for Barky down to 47%. No doubt he will push amnesty for the 2012 elections to win those voters back. He recently held an 'immigration summit' with high profile Hispanics surely for this very reason.

Or maybe he will just issue an Executive Order as election day approaches. He doesn't much care what Congress has to say anyhow.

134 I can proudly say that I have never voted for a democrat for anything, ever, and I am 47.

I registered as a Dem to vote for Hillary in the primary to help try to fuck it up for Petey. I lost a part of my soul that day.

Posted by: beedubya at April 30, 2011 11:54 AM (AnTyA)

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136 - well, IMO many conservatives were thinking that after Obama it would bring in a new "Reagan" but I don't think that was a safe bet. The damage Obama has been able to do in the short time he has been in office was not again IMO worth the purity stay home thing. Looking back is never a good idea. You have to work with what you have at the time. How many of the people who stayed home are really glad they did now? I would not be but I am not the purist many are and I guess cannot get into their head.

Posted by: gesc at April 30, 2011 11:55 AM (8OCEM)

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More fodder for leftists and Democrats to hate the Chamber of Commerce.

You married a Cajun? That reminds me of a joke: Why did the Cajun call off the wedding when he found out his bride-to-be was a virgin? "If she ain't good enough for her family, she ain't good enough for our'n."

The wedding didn't get called off, huh?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 30, 2011 11:57 AM (1fanL)

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MiketheMoose,
Your marginalization of my academic credentials is rooted in a sense of paternalistic entitlement and contextualized sexual inadequacy. Ace's "irony" flows from the same psychologized genesis -- a defensive mechanism evolved to mask a pernicious and engrained racism.

I went into the hippy dippy shit during the late 60's early 70's (to get more pu......., well, you know), but then I went to Vietnam. Afterwards I never could understand why people could have so much hate for this country. I always thought that all those little spoiled brats should live in other areas of the world just to see how good and great this country is.

That's cool. He can do what he wants. It's not like we've filed any complaints or anything ... We're just happy when he decides to expend the energy to defend of the laws we pass, since he really doesn't have to. Because he is a cool guy, and he doesn't lie or anything ... though he exaggerates when he gets excited ...

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which is why I had always warned that the damage being done was permanent.

Posted by: iknowtheleft

The permanent damage now done is the size of the debt. The service on the debt will become unmanageable if interest rates climb just a little bit back toward their historical norms. This will be the historical legacy of Obama. This will constrain the economic future of this country for the rest of my life, at least.

155The words "punk" and "chump" come to mind. As well as "jive turkey" -- but only because I am so damn old.

Hahahahaha. "Jive turkey"? I don't think I've heard that one since The Jeffersons ended.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 30, 2011 12:03 PM (QgI7g)

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Jocelyn, can you type without a thesaurus? I know it's an academic tradition to encase thoughts that don't make sense in words you don't understand, but this is a blog, not a post-graduate workshop.
And neither the Discover Card not the race card are honored here.

The permanent damage now done is
the size of the debt. The service on the debt will become unmanageable
if interest rates climb just a little bit back toward their historical
norms. This will be the historical legacy of Obama. This will
constrain the economic future of this country for the rest of my life,
at least.

We can grow out of this debt, still. It's a matter of our choice. We can default on it, if we needed to. The damage to the operations and traditions of our governmental processes is much, much worse. This guy admits to having bribed 2 primary candidates with federal jobs (from a federal position - the highest) in order to carry out purely political operations from the Executive branch ... and it is now, evidently, perfectly legal and acceptable. There are many, many other such examples which have served to seriously distort and warp what America actually is.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 30, 2011 12:07 PM (G/MYk)

161102
i've been hearing for 2 years how Republicans/conservatives didn't show
up in 2008. Do any of you know someone who did not vote? i don't.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at April 30, 2011 04:32 PM (++HrB)

Rock ribbed conservative here.

Did not vote.

I just could not pull the lever for mccain. I also reasoned that mccain would have been almost as bad for the country short term, but if he was in office there would be no republican left party to try and fix things. So long term i think mccain would have been just as bad.

Posted by: nine coconuts at April 30, 2011 12:11 PM (uz3hs)

162Jocelyn, can you type without a thesaurus? I know
it's an academic tradition to encase thoughts that don't make sense in
words you don't understand, but this is a blog, not a post-graduate
workshop.

Your marginalization of my academic credentials is rooted in a sense of
paternalistic entitlement and contextualized sexual inadequacy. Ace's
"irony" flows from the same psychologized genesis -- a defensive
mechanism evolved to mask a pernicious and engrained racism.

164Obama only won caucuses. He got crushed in every primary election. Crushed.

It was all the super-delegates on the dem side. Nothing else mattered.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 30, 2011 04:40 PM (G/MYk)

According to CNN's numbers, Hillary ended up with a total of 1463 pledged delegates from primaries and 177 pledged delegates from caucuses. Obama ended up with 1429 pledged delegates from caucuses and 334 pledged delegates from caucuses. So, yes, the super-delegates made the difference in the end, and if there had been only proper primaries rather than caucuses (the only caucus Hillary won was Nevada's), then Hillary would have had a narrow lead in pledged delegates.

Posted by: DKCZ at April 30, 2011 12:14 PM (XRm2p)

165159
We thought we were getting Benson, we ended up with J.J. Evans.

Reseting the nation to the law of the land (the Constitution) will eliminate much of even that. If one is to read US history, polititians trying to reach around and go beyond what the Constitution allows has been happening since before the ink was even dry on that document.

But what can't be allowed from here on out is the absolute disregard for the Constitution that this regime has done.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2011 12:16 PM (mQ8a3)

167Wisconsin is red except for Milwaukee and The Peoples Republic of Madison.

168
164 - I called my congressman every.single.day asking when he would come out and vote as a super-delegate but he was hiding under Pelosi's skirt. It did him in tho as he lost his seat last year. I think many blue dogs are regretting their votes or non-votes. He took us for granted and paid the price. Idiot.

Posted by: gesc at April 30, 2011 12:17 PM (8OCEM)

169
Obama only won caucuses. He got crushed in every primary election. Crushed.
It was all the super-delegates on the dem side. Nothing else mattered.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 30, 2011 04:40 PM (G/MYk)
According to CNN's numbers, Hillary ended up with a total of 1463 pledged delegates from primaries and 177 pledged delegates from caucuses. Obama ended up with 1429 pledged delegates from caucuses and 334 pledged delegates from caucuses. So, yes, the super-delegates made the difference in the end, and if there had been only proper primaries rather than caucuses (the only caucus Hillary won was Nevada's), then Hillary would have had a narrow lead in pledged delegates.
Posted by: DKCZ at April 30, 2011 05:14 PM (XRm2p)
Hillary got pushed out by the Bolshevics.
I hope she reams Ebola at just the right time to ensure his defeat.

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Tami, you have internalized Ace's stereotypicalizing narrative regarding the African-American thought process and extended it to assumptions regarding our matrimonial preferences. Average Joe may be my spouse, but his rejection of my ideological narrative does not include your apparent opposition to miscegenation.

But what can't be allowed from here on out is the absolute disregard for the Constitution that this regime has done.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2011 05:16 PM (mQ8a3)

The Indonesian's regime has broken the frame of this car. We can weld it back together, but it will never really be fixed.

What is the worst part is not what the Indonesian has done to tear the Constitution to shreds, but how our nation showed that it can be easily and suddenly cowed into accepting such perversions of our institutions. That is what can never be denied. The US just isn't really trustworthy, anymore. In a second, this nation can turn, vote in an absolute retard, and let him run hog wild outside of any traditional restrictions, with an insane set of policies ... I mean, the guy actually bullied people into passing a $750 billion pork bonanza without being able to have it examined by anyone. WTF?

We've seen America go crazy. Stupid crazy.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 30, 2011 12:24 PM (G/MYk)

176Tami, you have internalized Ace's stereotypicalizing narrative regarding the African-American thought process and extended it to assumptions regarding our matrimonial preferences. Average Joe may be my spouse, but his rejection of my ideological narrative does not include your apparent opposition to miscegenation.

177
174 - are you sure you are on the right blog? just wondering ... you may have taken a wrong turn.

Posted by: gesc at April 30, 2011 12:27 PM (8OCEM)

178Tami, you have internalized Ace's stereotypicalizing
narrative regarding the African-American thought process and extended
it to assumptions regarding our matrimonial preferences. Average Joe
may be my spouse, but his rejection of my ideological narrative does not
include your apparent opposition to miscegenation.

182
There are many, many other such examples which have served to seriously distort and warp what America actually is.

Posted by: iknowtheleft

There are a lot of examples of the Obama Regime wiping its ass with the Constitution, but as Soona said, a lot of that can be reset with a change in the Executive. I think a lot of people have been scared by just how lawless the Obama Regime has been at times, and what else they can come up with before he gets the boot in 2012. Other Presidents have also tempted the bounds of lawlessness. The career of LBJ is the best example that I can remember - much worse than Nixon.

I still hold that the worst long term damage is the amount of debt they have/will ring up before they are gone. Change the Executive, change Congress, get all new and better people in there, and we still have this ridiculous financial overhang.

I still hold that the worst long term damage is the amount of debt they have/will ring up before they are gone. Change the Executive, change Congress, get all new and better people in there, and we still have this ridiculous financial overhang.

Perhaps I'm being a bit naive here, but sometimes I think we should just default. I'm pretty sure if we default, the world will default also. Then we could reset the whole damn thing.......or die horrible deaths from the global war it would cause.

Perhaps I'm being a bit naive here, but sometimes I think we should just default. I'm pretty sure if we default, the world will default also. Then we could reset the whole damn thing.......or die horrible deaths from the global war it would cause.

Posted by: Soona

That's an idea that is too big for my little head.

I have no clue as to what default on debt by the US Gov. might do, but it won't be pretty.

Exactly what kind of business man is this if he couldn't see what a horror deWon would be? He voted for him just because he was black, and thought that deWon was smart enough to put the right kinds of advisers in? Was the man not paying attention during the campaign?

I guess I admire that he admitted what he had done and said he made a bad decision, but damn, it was an ignorant decision based on everything he should have known about the man.

Posted by: Steph at April 30, 2011 12:44 PM (AkdC5)

198
Ace, this is the same guy who called Barbara Boxer a racist in a congressional hearing.

200
197 - I can understand a black person voting for Obama for the "historic" thing. That is why I knew the election was lost as soon as Obama was the nominee for the dems. It caused so many blacks to come out and vote that had never voted. But, this next time I hope that many people don't fall for it and get their heads around the idea of saving this country. For all of us. I never really understood the hyphen American thing but it has seen its day IMO. I pray that people get back to their senses and do the right thing next time.

Perhaps I'm being a bit naive here, but sometimes I think we should just default. I'm pretty sure if we default, the world will default also. Then we could reset the whole damn thing.......or die horrible deaths from the global war it would cause.

Posted by: Soona

I don't think it's a matter of if we default, but more a matter of when we default.

209
63 Laura Ingraham must have some very very strange personal issues or
something. Otherwise, I don't how she has remained single.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 30, 2011 04:09 PM (oDMwn)

I'm older than Laura and while I have been married before, I've been divorced for a long time. Lots of women my age bought the lie that career was more important than marriage and missed out. That was part of it for me. (The other part is that I've stayed in LA so long due to having to care for a senior relative. LA is most certainly not a good place for a conservative woman to find a mate.)

215
209 - there is a book "Marry Him - Settling for Good Enough" that tells the story of women not getting married because of the things you mentioned. The title is not a good one as it sounds like you are settling for less than but it tells the truth about why women let things get in the way of marrying for the right reasons. The feminist movement may have solved some problems for women but it created many more that I bet they were not ready for as they age.

217
The one thing I can always respect is someone who can admit that he did a dumb thing for a dumb reason. And not only commit to not doing that dumb thing again but do whatever he can to correct the fallout.

In Mr. Alford's position it can't be easy to put forth an unpopular opinion among your core constituents and he seems genuinely committed to doing so. Furthermore anyone who unashamedly admits that he loves this country, not once but several times, gets a second chance with me.

Posted by: Dumb_Blonde at April 30, 2011 01:13 PM (+pEDS)

218
We should nominate either Herman Cain or Col. West. The black population does not deserve having Obama represent them (neither do we), but either West or Cain would show the world that the problem with Obama is not his blackness.

One thing Ingraham says is that blacks have generally hung together on Obama. Based on this and that Blogging Heads I linked, I'm thinking that it's more they've outwardly hung with Obama, while privately starting to say, "Hey, this guy's kind of, uh, what's the word? Bad."

Ingraham: They said you was hung.

Sheriff Bart: And they was right!

Will this spoil the "touch of class" that AoSHQ has?

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 30, 2011 01:13 PM (XBM1t)

220LA is most certainly not a good place for a conservative woman to find a mate.

LA is most certainly not a good place for a conservative woman to find a mate that she doesn't want to beat upside the head. Repeatedly.

Posted by: Dumb_Blonde at April 30, 2011 01:15 PM (+pEDS)

221
NATO hit a bus full of disabled children in Libya. Man, those guys are wild ... like feral.

Technically, we have a choice. But as we've often talked about on the DOOM thread, there's absolutely NO political will to make the necessary cuts that will avoid default. Wisconsin would look like a 4 year olds fairy princess tea party if the necessary cuts were made. Fortunately / unfortunately, that'll never happen until the math forces the changes.

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at April 30, 2011 01:16 PM (GKQDR)

223The
idea of Allen West running for President has begun to edge out locking
eyes with Mark Harmon in a hotel bar as my favorite drive-time fantasy.
It goes a little like this Â…Me: Allen West for President!Lefty Lucy: Arrggh. How can you support THAT man???Me: Racist! This is straight up racism. This is all about hating on the black man.Lefty Lucy: He hates poor people. He wants old people to die. He supports WAR!Me: I donÂ’t think I can be friends with a racist.Lefty Lucy: Bu-bu-but Â… I voted for Obama.Me:
ObamaÂ’s not *really* black. His mother was white. He was raised in
Â“whiteÂ” home by white grandparents. YouÂ’re a racist if you criticize
Allen West. Lefty Lucy: LALALALALALALALALALALALA Â… IÂ’M NOT LISTENING(Aaaaaannnnnnddddd END SCENE)

227The same people who saw Obama's
election as a proxy of their own advancement in society will see his
replacement as a slap in the face.

This is why the GOP really isn't interested in beating Obama in 2012 and turning him into a one term president. They are afraid of everything from energizing every black to forever vote against "the party of racism", to rioting in the streets.

The only way for the GOP to win is for Obama to lose -- by keeping unemployment, gas prices and inflation high right up to election day.

232
90% of the blacks will vote for anyone who they think will get the govt. to provide benefits that they do not have to pay for. if that person happens to be black then tha percentage goes up to 97%. The republicans can and should give up on the black vote it ain't happening

I meant there's a choice in how to handle an unserviceable debt load. There's monetization and default. Monetization destroys the usability of the currency (domestically, as well as a trade or reserve currency) but allows present debt to be erased as services are cut by pricing. Default saves the usability of the currency at the expense of being able to borrow and/or import in the near term. But, since the dollar is world trade and reserve currency, those uses are also saved, by necessity and each nation's own interest. Default would seriously rearrange world financial postures, in a moment.

Default takes serious political will and courage. Monetization is enticing because, like cocaine, it gives an initial high, though the economy builds a tolerance to printed money pretty quickly and steeply.

235218 We should nominate either Herman Cain or Col. West. The black population does not deserve having Obama represent them (neither do we), but either West or Cain would show the world that the problem with Obama is not his blackness.

Posted by: chillin the most at April 30, 2011 06:13 PM (6IV8T)

That really won't work. There will be all these claims about how West or Cain are not authentically black. And they will ignore the hypocrisy meter pegging in the red because they believe that a guy with a white mother raised by his white grandparents in Hawaii and born to a Kenyan citizen is an authentic black american.

Posted by: buzzion at April 30, 2011 01:24 PM (oVQFe)

23690% of the blacks will vote for anyone who they think will get the govt. to provide benefits that they do not have to pay for.

No. 100% of the irresponsible, lazy dimwits WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE will vote for anyone who they think will get the government to provide benefits to them.

Posted by: Dumb_Blonde at April 30, 2011 01:26 PM (+pEDS)

237That really won't work. There will be all these claims about how West or Cain are not authentically black.

Or that they're "traitors" to their race. Out black tea party members get that all the time. As an older black lady in our tea party says, "They don't know how to get off the democrat plantation."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2011 01:27 PM (UOM48)

238That really won't work. There will be all these claims about how West
or Cain are not authentically black. And they will ignore the hypocrisy
meter pegging in the red because they believe that a guy with a white
mother raised by his white grandparents in Hawaii and born to a Kenyan
citizen is an authentic black american.

Maybe. But sure would be fun to have those conversations.

Posted by: Dumb_Blonde at April 30, 2011 01:27 PM (+pEDS)

239Hi Vic! The one day I decide to do some serious research for my second novel, Ace decides to f with me.

241
Or that they're "traitors" to their race. Out black tea party members get that all the time. As an older black lady in our tea party says, "They don't know how to get off the democrat plantation."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2011 06:27 PM (UOM4
It's weird isn't it?
Conservatives pay taxes to fund a Federal government that enslaves African Americans all for the benefit of the Democrat Party.
And they get called racists.

246
This is what you get when people make decisions based on tribalism. Case in point: most of sub-Saharan Africa.
As I said before, I felt no pride when Obama was elected, only horror. Once they called the election for him, I went straight to bed and had mild feelings of mild depression for about 2 days. I don't care what color a person is, if that person thinks it's okay to let an infant die after being born just because his mom wanted an abortion, he or she is a vile person and should be nowhere near the reins of any power.

248
Hey, I know this is off topic, but why isn't the looting that took place in Tuscaloosa and other tornado stricken areas getting some serious press attention?
Just sayin . . .

Posted by: I'mWithStupid at April 30, 2011 01:39 PM (xhNbo)

249I went straight to bed and had mild feelings of mild depression for
about 2 days. I don't care what color a person is, if that person
thinks it's okay to let an infant die after being born just because his
mom wanted an abortion, he or she is a vile person and should be nowhere
near the reins of any power.

Yep. I actually watched the entire inauguration thinking that at least it was cool a black man had finally been elected to the presidency, even though my brain was screaming, "He's a Socialist!!111!!!"

And now we see he's a Marxist.

If he's elected for another term, I don't think I can live here any longer. But where do we go?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2011 01:42 PM (UOM48)

250
I can't believe you're getting punked by a guy named Joscelyn. Good show, good show.

Posted by: Fortunata at April 30, 2011 01:42 PM (90H1N)

251
Okay. I don't comment much on Saturdays, but is this thread more or less the last of the day before the ONT?

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2011 01:42 PM (mQ8a3)

252248
Hey, I know this is off topic, but why isn't the looting that took
place in Tuscaloosa and other tornado stricken areas getting some
serious press attention?

Just sayin . . .

Same people who depend on the gubmint for their very existence. And (if they vote at all) vote Democrat and worship Barry.

Celebrating children where days before it was not safe for children...

Doctor's treating the wounded including the injured rebel fighter saying it was worth it...

WOW. Just wow! I have to post the link...

http://tinyurl.com/42csmca

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at April 30, 2011 01:45 PM (GKQDR)

255
248 - unless I am missing something? are you talking about the same looting that went on in Tennessee after the floods? Yeah, I didn't see any of that either but then Obama never really showed up for that disaster. Pretty much just people taking care of each other after the floods in TN.

Posted by: gesc at April 30, 2011 01:45 PM (hxm5f)

256
O/T per Fox....another NATO air strike has hit Col. Daffy's house. The Crazy Colonel is alive, but another of his sons has been killed.

If you're one of Daffy's kids, shouldn't you be moving out of the ol' compound by now?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2011 01:45 PM (UOM48)

257The one day I decide to do some serious research for my second novel, Ace decides to f with me.

258The Crazy Colonel is alive, but another of his sons has been killed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2011 06:45 PM (UOM4

He's got like 83 left.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 30, 2011 01:48 PM (G/MYk)

259The Crazy Colonel is alive, but another of his sons has been killed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2011 06:45 PM (UOM4

As long as it wasn't one of his Bulgarian Nurses.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 30, 2011 01:49 PM (yQWNf)

260Pippa is very uninspiring with a rather small and underdeveloped derriere, whereas, Michele Obama has a fully developed, mature and very attractive gluteus maximus more commonly seen on women of statue and personal accomplishment.

Pippa is very uninspiring with a rather small and underdeveloped derriere

I would crawl through a mile of broken glass to kiss that derrierre through a screen door.

Posted by: garrett at April 30, 2011 01:51 PM (6+RxA)

262If you're one of Daffy's kids, shouldn't you be moving out of the ol' compound by now?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2011 06:45 PM (UOM4

How big is the compound?

Shouldn't NATO be able to level the entire thing in about 30 seconds?

Or are they playing 4th grade Don't Touch Me?

Posted by: ErikW at April 30, 2011 01:51 PM (u+wq4)

263If he's elected for another term, I don't think I can live here any longer.Â But where do we go?
Just so you remember how desperate our fight is. Ronaldus Magnus
Not too long ago, two friends of mine were talking to a Cuban refugee, a businessman who had escaped from Castro, and in the midst of his story one of my friends turned to the other and said, "We don't know how lucky we are." And the Cuban stopped and said, "How lucky you are? I had someplace to escape to." And in that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 30, 2011 01:51 PM (msGEc)

264256
O/T per Fox....another NATO air strike has hit Col. Daffy's house. The
Crazy Colonel is alive, but another of his sons has been killed.

If you're one of Daffy's kids, shouldn't you be moving out of the ol' compound by now?

We will kill Col Crazy's progeny, but leave the two-bit dictator alive? Progress, I guess.

270 And in that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 30, 2011 06:51 PM (msGEc)

And being "of the elders" I would still not hesitate to put myself in harm's way to preserve that freedom. I've thought about where I would go also, but there's just no place like the USA....even now. That's why all of this has made me so angry and has brought me to tears thinking that 52% of my fellow countrymen would elect this POS. Especially when all the information was there prior to the election on what Petey wanted to do.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2011 01:59 PM (mQ8a3)

271
268 - barf. The Obamas wish they were video stars. I don't know when I will get totally nauseous by them but they are working on it. Michelle makes me even sicker than Barack. I read her entire thesis and it made me sick. I wish I could have read Baracks as I am sure I would have vomited after that also - total jerkoffs IMO. I still just cannot believe he was elected.

If you click on the little car icon in AL, you'll see a storm chaser live streaming video as they're driving through some of the storm damaged areas, Right now they're discussing where they're going next ....

I don't get this getting rid of gadaffy, I know he's a bad guy, but if there is a power vacuum, al-queda & the muslim brotherhood will take over.

Why are Mccain and Graham doing this and asking for more? Isn't there even crap going on over there? The rebels aren't some nice bunch of people either, some libyan soldiers laid down their arms last week to join the rebels, they were arrested and then beheaded publically.

And being "of the elders" I would still not hesitate to put myself in harm's way to preserve that freedom. I've thought about where I would go also, but there's just no place like the USA....even now. That's why all of this has made me so angry and has brought me to tears thinking that 52% of my fellow countrymen would elect this POS. Especially when all the information was there prior to the election on what Petey wanted to do.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2011 06:59 PM (mQ8a3)

The trouble is, it's not a matter of going out into the streets and seizing back the government. I wish it was. I REALLY wish it was.

Instead we're seeing that freedom taken away legislatively piece by piece. Economically, piece by piece. There's no harm's way to put ourselves in front of which is so maddening. There's no massive outcry to stop this. Not the type of outcry that's going to see the needed changes take place NOW. There's no political will to EVER make any of the changes that need to be made to stop the DOOM.

Government encroachment into everyone's lives is becoming truly scary. I'm saying that and I'm a FREAKING Canadian. They have signs on the highway telling us to take a break if we're tired!! Even when I was a stupid liberal, anti-American Canadian teenager, I never in my life FEARED the American government. Not like I do now. And what pisses me off too is there's no fight to go to.

It makes me so angry too...

Posted by: Canadian Infidel at April 30, 2011 02:16 PM (GKQDR)

296This mission in Libya is looking more like an indirect assassination attempt by Obama.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2011 07:05 PM (2O5Hd)

Come on. NATO just took out the Libyan Special Olympics team. This mission is far reaching and comprehensive.

Personally. I'd love to see Q'Daffy taken out - slowly and painfully - but Hussein and the kids in Europe are going to screw this all up, royally. We should have attacked Libya the day Al-Megrahi was let free and landed in Tripoli (and our Hussein should have been impeached and tossed out for being complicit in that, giving aid and comfort to the enemy) ... but we didn't. This "operation" now is nothing but a bad joke and is sure to end in disaster, no matter which way it goes on the ground.

I can't even comprehend the stupid in that question. Even Rick looked stunned. For one thing, imagine thousands of people jumping in their vehicles and heading..............where?

John Roberts and Shep Smith....bringing the stupid and tasteless to Fox. Thanks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2011 02:17 PM (UOM48)

298
Just this early morning it was reported that Kaddafi went on Libyan tv and said he'd like to discuss peace.
And he told the UN to cut the shit. He asked why are they bombing us and destroying our infrastructure.
Kaddafi is a piece of shit but those are legit questions.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2011 02:17 PM (2O5Hd)

299
Has anyone wondered where Obama got his accent? He was raised by white and Indonesian people. I think he's putting it on. It's probably been so long that it stuck. One of the vids of him as the president of the law review showed that he had the same accent and extremely annoying cadence.

Obama fails because he is who he is - a low level socialist agitator. Obama is a loser with a loser party at his disposal - the party of Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry - the party of Robert Byrd and Teddy *hiccup* Kennedy - the party of Murtha and other corrupt tools.

The old Glowing Leper Stratagem. I always have thought that that was the way to deal with Osama and other terrorists. Just announce that we will bomb anyplace that we even suspect they are hiding, Collateral damage be damned.

Pretty soon they run out of friends and no one wants them around.

Posted by: toby928™ at April 30, 2011 02:25 PM (GTbGH)

319Col West was on with Glenn Beck and he said the Pentagon has no idea who the rebels are that we're helping.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2011 07:20 PM (2O5Hd)

Al-Qaeda.

Fuck the CIA, my wild ass guess is probably more accurate than those ignorant cocksuckers.

322
I don't understand why we could not have left them to their own revolution. We did in Iran didn't we? Pick and choose. If I had a child in the military I would sure he be wondering right about now what in the hell they were fighting for because I am not so sure how we benefit at all from the Libya uprising. Maybe I am not seeing something but I just don't get it and what is the end game?

328Posted by: Canadian Infidel at April 30, 2011 07:16 PM (GKQDR)The related problem is that the "feds" are exerting legislative or regulatory authority over such a vast number of disparate activities that we can't keep track of them all and can't get coordinated enough react to the most egregious acts.I wish there was some place else to go, but it seems like this is home sweet home for a looong time.

You didn't really think Palin was going to be the only one they did this kind of shit to, did you? Just wait. It will be much worse leading up to the primaries, and the general, whoever wins it, will bring a shitstorm of hate from the left and the redundant media.

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Maybe it's just me, but I found Laura's opening comments berating the guy for being on a speakerphone (probably busy and doing other things waiting for her to call on him) a little disgusting and slap-worthy. "A sign of great disrespect"?
Get over yourself, Laura.
"something called the black chamber of commerce"? Where were you Laura when this guy was high profile with his excellent smack down of Barbara Boxer?