See but Star Trek the film was very careful to state that canon was there and important, but that an alternate timeline had also been created and now they can do whatever they want without treading on canon. They were very careful of that so as not to offend the fans. I wish we got that dignity...

Indeed. The Clone Wars might be tolerable then, and we might have gotten another Imperial Commando novel.

I'm still not sure how creating an alternate timeline becomes acceptable to the real Trek fans. Its sounds to me like a weird compromise way to screw up cannon without screwing up cannon. I mean its better than what us Star Wars fans got but wouldn't it just be better to just stick with cannon?_________________

See but Star Trek the film was very careful to state that canon was there and important, but that an alternate timeline had also been created and now they can do whatever they want without treading on canon. They were very careful of that so as not to offend the fans. I wish we got that dignity...

Indeed. The Clone Wars might be tolerable then, and we might have gotten another Imperial Commando novel.

I'm still not sure how creating an alternate timeline becomes acceptable to the real Trek fans. Its sounds to me like a weird compromise way to screw up cannon without screwing up cannon. I mean its better than what us Star Wars fans got but wouldn't it just be better to just stick with cannon?

Simple Vorn- Trek always fixes the timeline! Always. Kirk (present) and Spock alpha (regular Spock) both have shared memories of WHAT SHOULD BE. As does Spock from the present- remember he melded with the Romulan from the future- so HE'S got info from the Romulans that THEY WILL NEED to correct the timeline.

My Trek fan speculation here is that they will play with the franchise a bit then end it with them fixing everything._________________-Bring on your thousands, one at a time or all in a rush. I don't give a damn. None shall pass.
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No kidding. I once saw a book called "Star Trek Meets the X-Men". Say what you will about our EU, we've never had anything that stupid.

Did you read it? It was actually good, and funny! They kept making jokes about Prof X and Picard LOOKING alike! It was a good story and well done surprisingly._________________-Bring on your thousands, one at a time or all in a rush. I don't give a damn. None shall pass.
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Wasn't the new Star Trek movie a prequel also. I thought it was, though I could be wrong.

No, it's not a prequel. It's an alternate universe that doesn't play into the Original Series.

Yeah it's a sequel that creates an AU that feels like a prequel._________________-Bring on your thousands, one at a time or all in a rush. I don't give a damn. None shall pass.
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illogicalRogue2 wrote:

Simple Vorn- Trek always fixes the timeline! Always. Kirk (present) and Spock alpha (regular Spock) both have shared memories of WHAT SHOULD BE. As does Spock from the present- remember he melded with the Romulan from the future- so HE'S got info from the Romulans that THEY WILL NEED to correct the timeline.

My Trek fan speculation here is that they will play with the franchise a bit then end it with them fixing everything.

I understand what you are saying but at the same time this seems overly complicated.

Then again this is coming from a SW fan where the franchise is cooking along fairly well as opposed to Trek fans who are dealing with a franchise that hasn't had tons of new stuff coming out lately to interest new fans. So I guess I can understand the move from the view of renewing interest in the franchise.

Also great picture of a Star Wars vs Star Trek space battle._________________

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illogicalRogue2 wrote:

Simple Vorn- Trek always fixes the timeline! Always. Kirk (present) and Spock alpha (regular Spock) both have shared memories of WHAT SHOULD BE. As does Spock from the present- remember he melded with the Romulan from the future- so HE'S got info from the Romulans that THEY WILL NEED to correct the timeline.

My Trek fan speculation here is that they will play with the franchise a bit then end it with them fixing everything.

I understand what you are saying but at the same time this seems overly complicated.

Then again this is coming from a SW fan where the franchise is cooking along fairly well as opposed to Trek fans who are dealing with a franchise that hasn't had tons of new stuff coming out lately to interest new fans. So I guess I can understand the move from the view of renewing interest in the franchise.

Also great picture of a Star Wars vs Star Trek space battle._________________

I understand what you are saying but at the same time this seems overly complicated.

Are not all the "fixes" to timetravel plots in Trek this way? That or a simple fix- like dropping off some whales to the correct time. They always make it either convoluted with it all hinging on stopping something, or correcting something.

But it's clear for the Trek that all fans knew to still exist the time line must, I say MUST, be fixed. As it stands it existed only to reset after Alpha Spock travels back in time. It's already convoluted from the start. But the memories from the original timestream exist in the AU- which is a paradox in and of itself. (AHH I'm glad they keep timetravel simple in SW)

It only makes sense for the franchise to move forward with this. I wouldn't be too surprised to learn we have a later move that will fix the time stream while finding some new spin on things. But as far back as I can recall timetravel plots and the klingon, Romulan, borg, diminion conflicts are to Trek what clones Imperials and Sith are to Wars._________________-Bring on your thousands, one at a time or all in a rush. I don't give a damn. None shall pass.
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I wonder, does the whole timeline thing only bother Trek fans who read the books, or does this bother Trek fans who watch the movies and television shows?

Personally I just watch the movies and television shows, I don't have any compulsion to read the books, and therefore continuity/timeline problems don't bother me at all. I'm perfectly fine with the new Star Trek alteration._________________
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Star Trek does have a variety of novels, but unlike Star Wars, they don't count as canon.

I just watch the Trek movies, and sometimes Enterprise or TNG when they're on. I'd rather get it over with in a set of movies rather than following everything on a long-lasting TV show.

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Jedi Joe wrote:

Star Trek does have a variety of novels, but unlike Star Wars, they don't count as canon.
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Reepicheep wrote:

Jedi Joe wrote:

Star Trek does have a variety of novels, but unlike Star Wars, they don't count as canon.
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I wouldn't say that. I've read Star Wars Tales and Tag and Bink and they're not canon. It really does boil down to entertainment._________________
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I wonder, does the whole timeline thing only bother Trek fans who read the books, or does this bother Trek fans who watch the movies and television shows?

Personally I just watch the movies and television shows, I don't have any compulsion to read the books, and therefore continuity/timeline problems don't bother me at all. I'm perfectly fine with the new Star Trek alteration.

I started recording ALL the Trek for my Dad while he worked graveyards as a kid, when I started reading SW books I've read a few of his- they are not all bad- the continuity- is non existant, up till about 08 or so, from there they got good- TOO GOOD- the Borg became so powerful they wiped out half the alpha quadrant, then evolve to a HIGHER BEING and are no longer a threat- which left the Galaxy closer to SW then the utopia we know Trek as.

But in BOTH formats timetravel has factored significantly to the plots- either that or mirror dimensions._________________-Bring on your thousands, one at a time or all in a rush. I don't give a damn. None shall pass.
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