Bradford has been named as a national blackspot for youth unemployment in a report calling on local authorities to play a bigger role in tackling the problem.

According to The Work Foundation, the city’s 25 per cent youth unemployment rate puts it sixth in the top ten UK cities with the highest unemployment rate, excluding full-time students.

Many 16 to 24 year-olds have missed out on the economic recovery, with joblessness at crisis levels.

Housing prices and private sector rents prevent many young people from moving to growing cities where they have a better chance of finding entry level work. Lizzie Crowley, head of youth unemployment programmes at The Work Foundation, said the Government’s top-down attempts to tackle the crisis had failed She said the Government must help local authorities set up Youth Transition Partnerships to bring together schools, colleges, third sector organisations and local businesses to develop tailored policy responses.

The report, whose backers include Barclays and the Private Equity Foundation, argues that without effective, targeted action from national and local government, businesses, and educators, a generation of young people in cities like Bradford face a bleak future.

The report says: “Urgent action is needed to ensure young people get the right support to either continue in school, further training or get a job.”

In the UK youth unemployment is so endemic that even cities with the lowest rates of 13 per cent were still a third higher than the German national average.

Bradford Council’s £10 million Get Bradford Working project includes an employment opportunities fund, which gives the young jobless a paid 12-month placement carrying out work that will benefit the community. Last week the Government awarded the scheme an extra £1,038,000 million so it can help more out-of-work 18 to 24-year-olds.

The fund, set up to create about 400 temporary jobs that would enable people to gain skills and experience, has been extended to offer 650 jobs.

Bradford also has a project, E3, which co-ordinates closer working between schools and businesses.

Its chairman, Paul Mackie, said this kind of work was “very, very important” in helping to bring down youth unemployment.

But he said the challenge was building a sustainable model involving schools, businesses and local authorities which didn’t rely on lots of public funding.

He said: “How do you make it relevant to both schools and businesses and how do you make it sustainable in terms of funding? I don’t think the answer has been found yet.”

Comments (88)

The only answer to this problem is to get business to move into the area. Without business there will be no jobs. Problem is bad infrastructure and it is getting worse. The road system needs updating, it currently resembles the M25 on a bad day. A minor prang can hold traffic in place for hours, the traffic lights system makes driving a stop start affair and nothing flows freely. Business doesn't want to be wasting money in traffic you have to be in and out quickly and Bradford just doesn't give that. As well as 16 - 24 year old look at how many over 50s are out of work also.

The only answer to this problem is to get business to move into the area. Without business there will be no jobs. Problem is bad infrastructure and it is getting worse. The road system needs updating, it currently resembles the M25 on a bad day. A minor prang can hold traffic in place for hours, the traffic lights system makes driving a stop start affair and nothing flows freely. Business doesn't want to be wasting money in traffic you have to be in and out quickly and Bradford just doesn't give that. As well as 16 - 24 year old look at how many over 50s are out of work also.OLDLAD

Another related issue is the removal of the compulsory retirement age.
With workers over 65 not being forced to retire, that blocks promotions for younger people. This slows down the whole recruitment process for those entering work.

Another related issue is the removal of the compulsory retirement age.
With workers over 65 not being forced to retire, that blocks promotions for younger people. This slows down the whole recruitment process for those entering work.Cooperlane2

Yesterday I heard an employer say the immigrants are better qualified so should we not get schooling etc. put right?

[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote:
Too many immigrants cheap and cheerfull!!!! Bad news[/p][/quote]Yesterday I heard an employer say the immigrants are better qualified so should we not get schooling etc. put right?Joedavid

Yesterday I heard an employer say the immigrants are better qualified so should we not get schooling etc. put right?

[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote:
Too many immigrants cheap and cheerfull!!!! Bad news[/p][/quote]Yesterday I heard an employer say the immigrants are better qualified so should we not get schooling etc. put right?Joedavid

Bradford is a black spot for just about everything. The only answer to youth unemployment is more of the right kind of companies to move into the district; the kind that are far sighted enough to offer training, Companies won't move in until City Hall does something about regeneration (other than talk and glossy brochures).

Bradford is a black spot for just about everything. The only answer to youth unemployment is more of the right kind of companies to move into the district; the kind that are far sighted enough to offer training, Companies won't move in until City Hall does something about regeneration (other than talk and glossy brochures).sorrow&anger

If proper jobs aren't there for the taking, the unemployment figures will keep on rising, irrespective of how much talk and 'spin' comes out of City Hall and Westminster.
I know dozens of people, young and not so young people who are trying their best to get a job but to no avail.

If proper jobs aren't there for the taking, the unemployment figures will keep on rising, irrespective of how much talk and 'spin' comes out of City Hall and Westminster.
I know dozens of people, young and not so young people who are trying their best to get a job but to no avail.mad matt

Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.

Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.
Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.Grumpygirl

The kids are unemployed because there are no jobs. There are no jobs because Bradford is a dump. Bradford is a dump because for decades we have been ruled by politicians without vision and officials without competence.

Look at Buck Lane. The Council promised 700 plus brand new jobs, many of them for the young unemployed. In fact the Council is set to deliver less than 200 jobs, nearly all of which are pre-existing ones from outside the district.

We'll be lucky if we see half dozen apprenticeships at Buck Lane. What we will get is increased traffic which will make life harder for the few companies that we have got left in Bradford. When will we get a Council that knows what it's doing?

The kids are unemployed because there are no jobs. There are no jobs because Bradford is a dump. Bradford is a dump because for decades we have been ruled by politicians without vision and officials without competence.
Look at Buck Lane. The Council promised 700 plus brand new jobs, many of them for the young unemployed. In fact the Council is set to deliver less than 200 jobs, nearly all of which are pre-existing ones from outside the district.
We'll be lucky if we see half dozen apprenticeships at Buck Lane. What we will get is increased traffic which will make life harder for the few companies that we have got left in Bradford. When will we get a Council that knows what it's doing?BaildonGuy

Grumpygirl wrote:
Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.

Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

lol

[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.
Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.[/p][/quote]lolAndy2010

They should get on their bikes. They're only unemployed because they're lazy and they've been taught by the Socialists that it's OK to live off benefits. The country can't afford to support scroungers and wasters. If they haven't got a proper job by the time they're 25 all state benefits should be stopped. Thank heavens we've got a Government that knows what it's doing!

They should get on their bikes. They're only unemployed because they're lazy and they've been taught by the Socialists that it's OK to live off benefits. The country can't afford to support scroungers and wasters. If they haven't got a proper job by the time they're 25 all state benefits should be stopped. Thank heavens we've got a Government that knows what it's doing!pcmanners

Grumpygirl wrote: Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners. Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

lol

Lol indeed. I started replying to that post but I stopped halfway through as I realised I would be wasting my breath.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners. Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]Lol indeed. I started replying to that post but I stopped halfway through as I realised I would be wasting my breath.Farsley Bantam

Grumpygirl wrote:
Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.

Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

lol

No. It's not funny at all.

Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves.

When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots?

It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn.

The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.
Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]No. It's not funny at all.
Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves.
When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots?
It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn.
The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.Grumpygirl

Grumpygirl wrote:
Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.

Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

lol

No. It's not funny at all.

Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves.

When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots?

It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn.

The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.

So unemployment is nothing to do with Labour's open door Multicultural immigration policies?

Or the socialist labour movement that made it more beneficial to sit on your backside popping out kids contributing nothing just taking constantly?

I could go on but whats the point

Top and bottom of all this politics aside please explain what is wrong with taking responsibility for looking after themselves and their families without government assistance?

We are one of the few countries in the world that supports the workshy in the way we do.

People like yourself make me laugh as If you could see what poverty really is in other countries you might think that this country (whoever is in charge its all basically the same) isn't so bad after all

[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.
Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]No. It's not funny at all.
Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves.
When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots?
It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn.
The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.[/p][/quote]So unemployment is nothing to do with Labour's open door Multicultural immigration policies?
Or the socialist labour movement that made it more beneficial to sit on your backside popping out kids contributing nothing just taking constantly?
I could go on but whats the point
Top and bottom of all this politics aside please explain what is wrong with taking responsibility for looking after themselves and their families without government assistance?
We are one of the few countries in the world that supports the workshy in the way we do.
People like yourself make me laugh as If you could see what poverty really is in other countries you might think that this country (whoever is in charge its all basically the same) isn't so bad after allAndy2010

Grumpygirl wrote: Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners. Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

lol

No. It's not funny at all. Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves. When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots? It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn. The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.

Jesus Christ! Talk about cherry picking the facts to suit your argument! Anyone reading your post would think that Labour had never been in power in the last 70 years!
Labour have helped great a generation of welfare dependent no hopers, ill educated and ill prepared for the real world. 18-24 year olds had their formative years under Labour and it's no coincedence that this group has the highest unemployment figures. The recent mass influx of migrants has not helped this either. Who presided over that again?

[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners. Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]No. It's not funny at all. Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves. When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots? It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn. The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.[/p][/quote]Jesus Christ! Talk about cherry picking the facts to suit your argument! Anyone reading your post would think that Labour had never been in power in the last 70 years!
Labour have helped great a generation of welfare dependent no hopers, ill educated and ill prepared for the real world. 18-24 year olds had their formative years under Labour and it's no coincedence that this group has the highest unemployment figures. The recent mass influx of migrants has not helped this either. Who presided over that again?Farsley Bantam

Grumpygirl wrote: Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners. Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

lol

No. It's not funny at all. Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves. When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots? It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn. The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.

Jesus Christ! Talk about cherry picking the facts to suit your argument! Anyone reading your post would think that Labour had never been in power in the last 70 years!
Labour have helped great a generation of welfare dependent no hopers, ill educated and ill prepared for the real world. 18-24 year olds had their formative years under Labour and it's no coincedence that this group has the highest unemployment figures. The recent mass influx of migrants has not helped this either. Who presided over that again?

Theres no talking to posters like this who think the world only exists in the last 4 years. They pick and choose their facts just to do a bit of coalition bashing forgetting all the rubbish inflicted on the working people by Labour e.g.

Illegal wars
Selling off the gold reserves
Deregulation of the City
EU Referendum
The promotion of non marraige
Tax Rises

I could go on.....Dont get me wrong Labour, Tories or whoever are all the same and nothing really changes but if people took some responsibility and just looked after themselves this country would be in a far better state.

[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners. Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]No. It's not funny at all. Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves. When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots? It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn. The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.[/p][/quote]Jesus Christ! Talk about cherry picking the facts to suit your argument! Anyone reading your post would think that Labour had never been in power in the last 70 years!
Labour have helped great a generation of welfare dependent no hopers, ill educated and ill prepared for the real world. 18-24 year olds had their formative years under Labour and it's no coincedence that this group has the highest unemployment figures. The recent mass influx of migrants has not helped this either. Who presided over that again?[/p][/quote]Theres no talking to posters like this who think the world only exists in the last 4 years. They pick and choose their facts just to do a bit of coalition bashing forgetting all the rubbish inflicted on the working people by Labour e.g.
Illegal wars
Selling off the gold reserves
Deregulation of the City
EU Referendum
The promotion of non marraige
Tax Rises
I could go on.....Dont get me wrong Labour, Tories or whoever are all the same and nothing really changes but if people took some responsibility and just looked after themselves this country would be in a far better state.Andy2010

Grumpygirl wrote: Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners. Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

lol

No. It's not funny at all. Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves. When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots? It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn. The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.

Jesus Christ! Talk about cherry picking the facts to suit your argument! Anyone reading your post would think that Labour had never been in power in the last 70 years!
Labour have helped great a generation of welfare dependent no hopers, ill educated and ill prepared for the real world. 18-24 year olds had their formative years under Labour and it's no coincedence that this group has the highest unemployment figures. The recent mass influx of migrants has not helped this either. Who presided over that again?

In the 68 years since the first post-war election, Labour have been in power for 30 of those years, so they are responsible for at least 44% of all the problems in this country!

It should be remembered the lack of investment by these 'Tory mill owners' was partially down to the unions not wanting investment that led to more efficient processes (and therefore less labour)
The decline of the Govan shipyards was caused by the lack of being able to compete with Korea & Japan because the unions wouldn't let the management spend money on modern equipment!

[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners. Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]No. It's not funny at all. Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves. When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots? It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn. The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.[/p][/quote]Jesus Christ! Talk about cherry picking the facts to suit your argument! Anyone reading your post would think that Labour had never been in power in the last 70 years!
Labour have helped great a generation of welfare dependent no hopers, ill educated and ill prepared for the real world. 18-24 year olds had their formative years under Labour and it's no coincedence that this group has the highest unemployment figures. The recent mass influx of migrants has not helped this either. Who presided over that again?[/p][/quote]In the 68 years since the first post-war election, Labour have been in power for 30 of those years, so they are responsible for at least 44% of all the problems in this country!
It should be remembered the lack of investment by these 'Tory mill owners' was partially down to the unions not wanting investment that led to more efficient processes (and therefore less labour)
The decline of the Govan shipyards was caused by the lack of being able to compete with Korea & Japan because the unions wouldn't let the management spend money on modern equipment!angry bradfordian

pays more to be on dole,so increase wages but why increase wages for immigrants,they came to earn £140 a week rather than £140 a month.

Start by stopping immigration full stop,kid half of the foreigners out,start controlling the figures rather than letting them spiral out of control.stop paying child benefits for more than 1 child amd make people aware of consequences.

this us what happens in dole culture,its ok to flagrantly give birth yo kids,they = money and therefore they are already on wrong tracks.

this was all foreseeable in the late 50s and 60s and nothing was done to stop it.

Parents are on dole,kids are on dole,grandkids are on dole,go figure.
pays more to be on dole,so increase wages but why increase wages for immigrants,they came to earn £140 a week rather than £140 a month.
Start by stopping immigration full stop,kid half of the foreigners out,start controlling the figures rather than letting them spiral out of control.stop paying child benefits for more than 1 child amd make people aware of consequences.
this us what happens in dole culture,its ok to flagrantly give birth yo kids,they = money and therefore they are already on wrong tracks.
this was all foreseeable in the late 50s and 60s and nothing was done to stop it.saleemy

I would like to see the authorities address the issue of not only unemployment amongst the young ones but ALSO THE OVER 30's THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED AND DUMPED ON THE SIDE AS ALL THE PARTIES ARE TOO BUSY TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT YOUTH ISSUES.

There are many people in the district aged over 30 that have just been offered no support to find jobs or additional training.

Again I say that the council is designed not to benefit the people it serves. Not fit for purpose

I would like to see the authorities address the issue of not only unemployment amongst the young ones but ALSO THE OVER 30's THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED AND DUMPED ON THE SIDE AS ALL THE PARTIES ARE TOO BUSY TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT YOUTH ISSUES.
There are many people in the district aged over 30 that have just been offered no support to find jobs or additional training.
Again I say that the council is designed not to benefit the people it serves. Not fit for purposeNot so simple

Grumpygirl wrote: Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners. Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

lol

No. It's not funny at all. Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves. When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots? It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn. The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.

Jesus Christ! Talk about cherry picking the facts to suit your argument! Anyone reading your post would think that Labour had never been in power in the last 70 years!
Labour have helped great a generation of welfare dependent no hopers, ill educated and ill prepared for the real world. 18-24 year olds had their formative years under Labour and it's no coincedence that this group has the highest unemployment figures. The recent mass influx of migrants has not helped this either. Who presided over that again?

In the 68 years since the first post-war election, Labour have been in power for 30 of those years, so they are responsible for at least 44% of all the problems in this country!

It should be remembered the lack of investment by these 'Tory mill owners' was partially down to the unions not wanting investment that led to more efficient processes (and therefore less labour)
The decline of the Govan shipyards was caused by the lack of being able to compete with Korea &amp; Japan because the unions wouldn't let the management spend money on modern equipment!

The dock labour scheme, which guaranteed dockers jobs, drove shipping companies abroad. Thatcher repealed it and we started to open docks again, but the damage had largely been done by then.

The Beeching report in the sixties. The unions wouldn't hear of unmanned stations, so what do you do?

[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners. Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]No. It's not funny at all. Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves. When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots? It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn. The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.[/p][/quote]Jesus Christ! Talk about cherry picking the facts to suit your argument! Anyone reading your post would think that Labour had never been in power in the last 70 years!
Labour have helped great a generation of welfare dependent no hopers, ill educated and ill prepared for the real world. 18-24 year olds had their formative years under Labour and it's no coincedence that this group has the highest unemployment figures. The recent mass influx of migrants has not helped this either. Who presided over that again?[/p][/quote]In the 68 years since the first post-war election, Labour have been in power for 30 of those years, so they are responsible for at least 44% of all the problems in this country!
It should be remembered the lack of investment by these 'Tory mill owners' was partially down to the unions not wanting investment that led to more efficient processes (and therefore less labour)
The decline of the Govan shipyards was caused by the lack of being able to compete with Korea & Japan because the unions wouldn't let the management spend money on modern equipment![/p][/quote]The dock labour scheme, which guaranteed dockers jobs, drove shipping companies abroad. Thatcher repealed it and we started to open docks again, but the damage had largely been done by then.
The Beeching report in the sixties. The unions wouldn't hear of unmanned stations, so what do you do?BD16

Bradford is a black spot for unemployment for all age ranges full stop!!

And a previous article which claimed businesses are interested in coming to the Broadway shopping centre when it's build proves that Westfield helped make Bradford an even worse place!
If they built it on time in 2008, they'd probably would have helped Bradford attract more businesses, and the council may have been interested in building more shopping centres or renewing the old ones.
One thing's for certain, Westfield is not going to be welcomed by the people of Bradford

Bradford is a black spot for unemployment for all age ranges full stop!!
And a previous article which claimed businesses are interested in coming to the Broadway shopping centre when it's build proves that Westfield helped make Bradford an even worse place!
If they built it on time in 2008, they'd probably would have helped Bradford attract more businesses, and the council may have been interested in building more shopping centres or renewing the old ones.
One thing's for certain, Westfield is not going to be welcomed by the people of Bradfordjustjustice

Class_War wrote:
Lower the Retirement age to 55 and also provide real Training = problem solved.

Just lol

Once again do you ever think things through

Have you even thought to consider the pension costs involved here?

[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Lower the Retirement age to 55 and also provide real Training = problem solved.[/p][/quote]Just lol
Once again do you ever think things through
Have you even thought to consider the pension costs involved here?Andy2010

The greatest injustice is that young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air. Politicians of all parties know perfectly well that full employment is an impossibility and that unemployment is needed to regulate Wages in a Capitalist system. Capital;ism cannot function without unemployment.

The greatest injustice is that young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air. Politicians of all parties know perfectly well that full employment is an impossibility and that unemployment is needed to regulate Wages in a Capitalist system. Capital;ism cannot function without unemployment.Class_War

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote: Lower the Retirement age to 55 and also provide real Training = problem solved.[/p][/quote]Just lol Once again do you ever think things through Have you even thought to consider the pension costs involved here?[/p][/quote]Ofcourse not! Just give the magic money tree another shake, that'll sort it.Farsley Bantam

Class_War wrote:
The greatest injustice is that young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air. Politicians of all parties know perfectly well that full employment is an impossibility and that unemployment is needed to regulate Wages in a Capitalist system. Capital;ism cannot function without unemployment.

'young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air'

Now if only there was a way of earning money without state benefits? Perhaps someone should invent a system where people go out and provide labour in exchange for money. Perhaps they could do this between the hours of say 9am and 5pm, Monday to Friday?

Apologies, I'm talking nonsense. Such a system will never exist.

[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
The greatest injustice is that young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air. Politicians of all parties know perfectly well that full employment is an impossibility and that unemployment is needed to regulate Wages in a Capitalist system. Capital;ism cannot function without unemployment.[/p][/quote]'young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air'
Now if only there was a way of earning money without state benefits? Perhaps someone should invent a system where people go out and provide labour in exchange for money. Perhaps they could do this between the hours of say 9am and 5pm, Monday to Friday?
Apologies, I'm talking nonsense. Such a system will never exist.Farsley Bantam

Class_War wrote:
Andy2010, tossing it off again I see. No work to do today? Chop, chop, no room for slackers in UKplc.

Sorry but do I work?

If I do do you know the hours I work?

Presumably by your comments you dont work. Still manage to afford an internet connection though to post on here dont you. Presumably paid out of benefits?

Yeah with these people are ssssoooo starving and dying that they have had to downgrade their internet connection to 2mb

In fact keep your comments coming as we all need a laugh now and again on here

[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Andy2010, tossing it off again I see. No work to do today? Chop, chop, no room for slackers in UKplc.[/p][/quote]Sorry but do I work?
If I do do you know the hours I work?
Presumably by your comments you dont work. Still manage to afford an internet connection though to post on here dont you. Presumably paid out of benefits?
Yeah with these people are ssssoooo starving and dying that they have had to downgrade their internet connection to 2mb
In fact keep your comments coming as we all need a laugh now and again on hereAndy2010

No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?RollandSmoke

Class_War wrote:
The greatest injustice is that young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air. Politicians of all parties know perfectly well that full employment is an impossibility and that unemployment is needed to regulate Wages in a Capitalist system. Capital;ism cannot function without unemployment.

'young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air'

Now if only there was a way of earning money without state benefits? Perhaps someone should invent a system where people go out and provide labour in exchange for money. Perhaps they could do this between the hours of say 9am and 5pm, Monday to Friday?

Apologies, I'm talking nonsense. Such a system will never exist.

That sounds ridiculous

9am to 5pm 5 days a week !!!!....sorry but that must be slave labour and illegal....if it isnt it should be.

We should all have our rent and bills paid by the state without contributing anything. They need to throw in a few hundred quid a week as well so we have enough money to buy smartphones, cigs, alcohol, weed and takeaways though. Anything less and sorry but I will just moan about it to and call the Government evil and state they are "killing" us all because we are poor.

I dont see why I should take any responsibility for my life. Why should I when these evil Tories might ask me to pay for something .....how very dare they

[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
The greatest injustice is that young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air. Politicians of all parties know perfectly well that full employment is an impossibility and that unemployment is needed to regulate Wages in a Capitalist system. Capital;ism cannot function without unemployment.[/p][/quote]'young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air'
Now if only there was a way of earning money without state benefits? Perhaps someone should invent a system where people go out and provide labour in exchange for money. Perhaps they could do this between the hours of say 9am and 5pm, Monday to Friday?
Apologies, I'm talking nonsense. Such a system will never exist.[/p][/quote]That sounds ridiculous
9am to 5pm 5 days a week !!!!....sorry but that must be slave labour and illegal....if it isnt it should be.
We should all have our rent and bills paid by the state without contributing anything. They need to throw in a few hundred quid a week as well so we have enough money to buy smartphones, cigs, alcohol, weed and takeaways though. Anything less and sorry but I will just moan about it to and call the Government evil and state they are "killing" us all because we are poor.
I dont see why I should take any responsibility for my life. Why should I when these evil Tories might ask me to pay for something .....how very dare theyAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.Andy2010

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better'

Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier.

'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course'

Money well spent then!

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better'
Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier.
'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course'
Money well spent then!Farsley Bantam

Young people today would be well advised to get out of this country asap. If Scotland wins independence be prepared for a mass migration North, and it won't just be the young who are desperate to escape this Tory Hell Hole.

Young people today would be well advised to get out of this country asap. If Scotland wins independence be prepared for a mass migration North, and it won't just be the young who are desperate to escape this Tory Hell Hole.Class_War

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.RollandSmoke

back to the pointless wordpress document though. Full of incomplete and inaccurate rubbish if you look closely.

Also an amusing article by the writer you seem to admire about boycotting and bringing down the Salvation Army now as they are using volunteers....says it all really

Anyone carry on Wolfie old chap its amusing

[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
The Prince's Trust are no help:
http://johnnyvoid.wo
rdpress.com/tag/prin
ces-trust/[/p][/quote]argh Landlesspeasant
So this is your new posting name? Why change it?
We all used to enjoy your ramblings.
back to the pointless wordpress document though. Full of incomplete and inaccurate rubbish if you look closely.
Also an amusing article by the writer you seem to admire about boycotting and bringing down the Salvation Army now as they are using volunteers....says it all really
Anyone carry on Wolfie old chap its amusingAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better'

Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier.

'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course'

Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better'
Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier.
'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course'
Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.RollandSmoke

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.

Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.

You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.
Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.
You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually worksAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better'

Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier.

'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course'

Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

To a point he is right. There are about 10 times as many jobs in Leeds (allowing for scale) than Bradford but some people I think think Leeds is about 200 miles or something. Suggest working in the centre or surrounding areas and its like you suggested they go to work in China or something when its literally 20 mins on a train

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better'
Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier.
'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course'
Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]To a point he is right. There are about 10 times as many jobs in Leeds (allowing for scale) than Bradford but some people I think think Leeds is about 200 miles or something. Suggest working in the centre or surrounding areas and its like you suggested they go to work in China or something when its literally 20 mins on a trainAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.Farsley Bantam

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.

Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.

You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.
Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.
You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works[/p][/quote]You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.RollandSmoke

RollandSmoke wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.

Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?

[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.[/p][/quote]Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?RollandSmoke

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.

Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.

You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.

Rubbish

Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact

More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.
Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.
You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works[/p][/quote]You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.[/p][/quote]Rubbish
Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact
More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering themAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.

Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?

Define Financially Viable

If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.

is it not in yours?

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.[/p][/quote]Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?[/p][/quote]Define Financially Viable
If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.
is it not in yours?Andy2010

RollandSmoke wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.

Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?

Define Financially Viable

If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.

is it not in yours?

Is that what is meant by "making work pay"? All that's missing is the chains but I guess you'll say singing songs on the chain gang is good experience for X-Factor.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.[/p][/quote]Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?[/p][/quote]Define Financially Viable
If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.
is it not in yours?[/p][/quote]Is that what is meant by "making work pay"? All that's missing is the chains but I guess you'll say singing songs on the chain gang is good experience for X-Factor.RollandSmoke

RollandSmoke wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.

Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?

I never said 'give up' on Bradford. But if you are unemployed in Bradford and have been unable to find a job there then rather than sitting on your ar$e and waiting for businesses and opportunities to spring up around you then I suggest you get to somewhere close by that does.
Yes it is financially viable. Unless you walk to work (which few people do these days) then there is always a cost incurred in getting to work. When I did my apprenticeship I was earning £8k a year (approx £4.10 p/h) and used to catch the train to Leeds. It cost £60 per month (this was in 2005) and I could have gone anywhere in West Yorkshire with it.

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.[/p][/quote]Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?[/p][/quote]I never said 'give up' on Bradford. But if you are unemployed in Bradford and have been unable to find a job there then rather than sitting on your ar$e and waiting for businesses and opportunities to spring up around you then I suggest you get to somewhere close by that does.
Yes it is financially viable. Unless you walk to work (which few people do these days) then there is always a cost incurred in getting to work. When I did my apprenticeship I was earning £8k a year (approx £4.10 p/h) and used to catch the train to Leeds. It cost £60 per month (this was in 2005) and I could have gone anywhere in West Yorkshire with it.Farsley Bantam

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.

Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.

You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.

Rubbish

Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact

More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them

Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.
Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.
You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works[/p][/quote]You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.[/p][/quote]Rubbish
Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact
More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them[/p][/quote]Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?RollandSmoke

RollandSmoke wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.

Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?

Define Financially Viable

If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.

is it not in yours?

Is that what is meant by &quot;making work pay"? All that's missing is the chains but I guess you'll say singing songs on the chain gang is good experience for X-Factor.

No thats whats meant by having a job. Its called starting at the bottom and working your way up.

So you are saying that going to work for more money than benefits even if a £1 shouldnt happen?

Hows that theory about Lee Rigby not actually being murdered as it was all staged by actors coming along by the way? I keep meaning to ask

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.[/p][/quote]Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?[/p][/quote]Define Financially Viable
If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.
is it not in yours?[/p][/quote]Is that what is meant by "making work pay"? All that's missing is the chains but I guess you'll say singing songs on the chain gang is good experience for X-Factor.[/p][/quote]No thats whats meant by having a job. Its called starting at the bottom and working your way up.
So you are saying that going to work for more money than benefits even if a £1 shouldnt happen?
Hows that theory about Lee Rigby not actually being murdered as it was all staged by actors coming along by the way? I keep meaning to askAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.

Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.

You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.

Rubbish

Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact

More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them

Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?

Beaten?

How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.

This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.
Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.
You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works[/p][/quote]You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.[/p][/quote]Rubbish
Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact
More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them[/p][/quote]Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?[/p][/quote]Beaten?
How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.
This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actorsAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.

Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?

I never said 'give up' on Bradford. But if you are unemployed in Bradford and have been unable to find a job there then rather than sitting on your ar$e and waiting for businesses and opportunities to spring up around you then I suggest you get to somewhere close by that does.
Yes it is financially viable. Unless you walk to work (which few people do these days) then there is always a cost incurred in getting to work. When I did my apprenticeship I was earning £8k a year (approx £4.10 p/h) and used to catch the train to Leeds. It cost £60 per month (this was in 2005) and I could have gone anywhere in West Yorkshire with it.

Ignore him Farsley. As you will be aware he/she is local nutter on here for spouting complete rubbish and quoting people when they havent actually said that.

You should ask him about the Lee Rigby murder....his / her theory on it is the funniest thing Ive ever heard. Well actually not funny really as to slander serving soldier who was murdered is plain wrong but our gold old Rollie doesn't mind slating our armed forces even though they are fighting for the freedoms that give them there so precious benefits they crave

[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.[/p][/quote]Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?[/p][/quote]I never said 'give up' on Bradford. But if you are unemployed in Bradford and have been unable to find a job there then rather than sitting on your ar$e and waiting for businesses and opportunities to spring up around you then I suggest you get to somewhere close by that does.
Yes it is financially viable. Unless you walk to work (which few people do these days) then there is always a cost incurred in getting to work. When I did my apprenticeship I was earning £8k a year (approx £4.10 p/h) and used to catch the train to Leeds. It cost £60 per month (this was in 2005) and I could have gone anywhere in West Yorkshire with it.[/p][/quote]Ignore him Farsley. As you will be aware he/she is local nutter on here for spouting complete rubbish and quoting people when they havent actually said that.
You should ask him about the Lee Rigby murder....his / her theory on it is the funniest thing Ive ever heard. Well actually not funny really as to slander serving soldier who was murdered is plain wrong but our gold old Rollie doesn't mind slating our armed forces even though they are fighting for the freedoms that give them there so precious benefits they craveAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.

Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?

Define Financially Viable

If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.

is it not in yours?

Is that what is meant by &quot;making work pay"? All that's missing is the chains but I guess you'll say singing songs on the chain gang is good experience for X-Factor.

No thats whats meant by having a job. Its called starting at the bottom and working your way up.

So you are saying that going to work for more money than benefits even if a £1 shouldnt happen?

Hows that theory about Lee Rigby not actually being murdered as it was all staged by actors coming along by the way? I keep meaning to ask

You're talking BS again. There is very little working your way up from the bottom to be had. When there are little if any prospects of career progression and no financial reward then no all you would be doing is lining someone else's pocket. If you want someone to work you pay them a wage that makes it a mutually beneficial thing. As regards the Rigby thing, the laws of physics haven't changed and are unlikely to any time soon.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.[/p][/quote]Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?[/p][/quote]Define Financially Viable
If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.
is it not in yours?[/p][/quote]Is that what is meant by "making work pay"? All that's missing is the chains but I guess you'll say singing songs on the chain gang is good experience for X-Factor.[/p][/quote]No thats whats meant by having a job. Its called starting at the bottom and working your way up.
So you are saying that going to work for more money than benefits even if a £1 shouldnt happen?
Hows that theory about Lee Rigby not actually being murdered as it was all staged by actors coming along by the way? I keep meaning to ask[/p][/quote]You're talking BS again. There is very little working your way up from the bottom to be had. When there are little if any prospects of career progression and no financial reward then no all you would be doing is lining someone else's pocket. If you want someone to work you pay them a wage that makes it a mutually beneficial thing. As regards the Rigby thing, the laws of physics haven't changed and are unlikely to any time soon.RollandSmoke

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.

Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.

You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.

Rubbish

Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact

More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them

Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?

Beaten?

How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.

This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors

Is it worth explaining anything to you when you try changing the subject every time the conversation doesn't go your way?. Is that why the government is proposing the "Cinderella" law to tackle people like yourself who get a little bit carried away when exerting their authority on their kids?

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.
Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.
You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works[/p][/quote]You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.[/p][/quote]Rubbish
Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact
More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them[/p][/quote]Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?[/p][/quote]Beaten?
How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.
This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors[/p][/quote]Is it worth explaining anything to you when you try changing the subject every time the conversation doesn't go your way?. Is that why the government is proposing the "Cinderella" law to tackle people like yourself who get a little bit carried away when exerting their authority on their kids?RollandSmoke

RollandSmoke wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.

Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?

Define Financially Viable

If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.

is it not in yours?

Is that what is meant by &quot;making work pay"? All that's missing is the chains but I guess you'll say singing songs on the chain gang is good experience for X-Factor.

No thats whats meant by having a job. Its called starting at the bottom and working your way up.

So you are saying that going to work for more money than benefits even if a £1 shouldnt happen?

Hows that theory about Lee Rigby not actually being murdered as it was all staged by actors coming along by the way? I keep meaning to ask

You're talking BS again. There is very little working your way up from the bottom to be had. When there are little if any prospects of career progression and no financial reward then no all you would be doing is lining someone else's pocket. If you want someone to work you pay them a wage that makes it a mutually beneficial thing. As regards the Rigby thing, the laws of physics haven't changed and are unlikely to any time soon.

I beg to differ.

Highlighting the fact I had just promoted a further 20 people within our organisation who started at the "bottom" and have worked their way up

Still you keep telling yourself that

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.[/p][/quote]Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?[/p][/quote]Define Financially Viable
If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.
is it not in yours?[/p][/quote]Is that what is meant by "making work pay"? All that's missing is the chains but I guess you'll say singing songs on the chain gang is good experience for X-Factor.[/p][/quote]No thats whats meant by having a job. Its called starting at the bottom and working your way up.
So you are saying that going to work for more money than benefits even if a £1 shouldnt happen?
Hows that theory about Lee Rigby not actually being murdered as it was all staged by actors coming along by the way? I keep meaning to ask[/p][/quote]You're talking BS again. There is very little working your way up from the bottom to be had. When there are little if any prospects of career progression and no financial reward then no all you would be doing is lining someone else's pocket. If you want someone to work you pay them a wage that makes it a mutually beneficial thing. As regards the Rigby thing, the laws of physics haven't changed and are unlikely to any time soon.[/p][/quote]I beg to differ.
Highlighting the fact I had just promoted a further 20 people within our organisation who started at the "bottom" and have worked their way up
Still you keep telling yourself thatAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.

Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.

You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.

Rubbish

Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact

More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them

Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?

Beaten?

How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.

This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors

Is it worth explaining anything to you when you try changing the subject every time the conversation doesn't go your way?. Is that why the government is proposing the &quot;Cinderella" law to tackle people like yourself who get a little bit carried away when exerting their authority on their kids?

What hasnt gone my way. You misquote everyone to further your cause including changing the subject yourself.

So I ask again how is exerting your authority on children (without the need for physical or mental abuse) by anyway bad ?

Also I ask again regarding your comments on the murdered soldier Lee Rigby. You are now claiming it was all staged because its against the law of physics. Strange how their defence never picked up on this "physics" fact isnt it.

Probably because it happened as explained you fool

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.
Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.
You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works[/p][/quote]You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.[/p][/quote]Rubbish
Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact
More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them[/p][/quote]Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?[/p][/quote]Beaten?
How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.
This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors[/p][/quote]Is it worth explaining anything to you when you try changing the subject every time the conversation doesn't go your way?. Is that why the government is proposing the "Cinderella" law to tackle people like yourself who get a little bit carried away when exerting their authority on their kids?[/p][/quote]What hasnt gone my way. You misquote everyone to further your cause including changing the subject yourself.
So I ask again how is exerting your authority on children (without the need for physical or mental abuse) by anyway bad ?
Also I ask again regarding your comments on the murdered soldier Lee Rigby. You are now claiming it was all staged because its against the law of physics. Strange how their defence never picked up on this "physics" fact isnt it.
Probably because it happened as explained you foolAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.

Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.

You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.

Rubbish

Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact

More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them

Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?

Beaten?

How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.

This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors

Is it worth explaining anything to you when you try changing the subject every time the conversation doesn't go your way?. Is that why the government is proposing the &quot;Cinderella" law to tackle people like yourself who get a little bit carried away when exerting their authority on their kids?

What hasnt gone my way. You misquote everyone to further your cause including changing the subject yourself.

So I ask again how is exerting your authority on children (without the need for physical or mental abuse) by anyway bad ?

Also I ask again regarding your comments on the murdered soldier Lee Rigby. You are now claiming it was all staged because its against the law of physics. Strange how their defence never picked up on this "physics" fact isnt it.

Probably because it happened as explained you fool

Nothing wrong with exerting your authority. You do however need to know where to draw the line. Constantly doing so results in a very brow beaten child with very little self confidence. You seem to have a problem knowing when to stop. I recall you inciting squaddies to seek me out and attack me even asking me to post my address in order to speed up the process although as you can apparently kill one right outside their barracks and the killers can wait for twenty minutes for the police to turn up and not one squaddie even showed their face in that time I guess I shouldn't worry too much.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.
Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.
You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works[/p][/quote]You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.[/p][/quote]Rubbish
Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact
More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them[/p][/quote]Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?[/p][/quote]Beaten?
How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.
This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors[/p][/quote]Is it worth explaining anything to you when you try changing the subject every time the conversation doesn't go your way?. Is that why the government is proposing the "Cinderella" law to tackle people like yourself who get a little bit carried away when exerting their authority on their kids?[/p][/quote]What hasnt gone my way. You misquote everyone to further your cause including changing the subject yourself.
So I ask again how is exerting your authority on children (without the need for physical or mental abuse) by anyway bad ?
Also I ask again regarding your comments on the murdered soldier Lee Rigby. You are now claiming it was all staged because its against the law of physics. Strange how their defence never picked up on this "physics" fact isnt it.
Probably because it happened as explained you fool[/p][/quote]Nothing wrong with exerting your authority. You do however need to know where to draw the line. Constantly doing so results in a very brow beaten child with very little self confidence. You seem to have a problem knowing when to stop. I recall you inciting squaddies to seek me out and attack me even asking me to post my address in order to speed up the process although as you can apparently kill one right outside their barracks and the killers can wait for twenty minutes for the police to turn up and not one squaddie even showed their face in that time I guess I shouldn't worry too much.RollandSmoke

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.

Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.

You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.

Rubbish

Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact

More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them

Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?

Beaten?

How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.

This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors

Is it worth explaining anything to you when you try changing the subject every time the conversation doesn't go your way?. Is that why the government is proposing the &quot;Cinderella" law to tackle people like yourself who get a little bit carried away when exerting their authority on their kids?

What hasnt gone my way. You misquote everyone to further your cause including changing the subject yourself.

So I ask again how is exerting your authority on children (without the need for physical or mental abuse) by anyway bad ?

Also I ask again regarding your comments on the murdered soldier Lee Rigby. You are now claiming it was all staged because its against the law of physics. Strange how their defence never picked up on this "physics" fact isnt it.

Probably because it happened as explained you fool

Nothing wrong with exerting your authority. You do however need to know where to draw the line. Constantly doing so results in a very brow beaten child with very little self confidence. You seem to have a problem knowing when to stop. I recall you inciting squaddies to seek me out and attack me even asking me to post my address in order to speed up the process although as you can apparently kill one right outside their barracks and the killers can wait for twenty minutes for the police to turn up and not one squaddie even showed their face in that time I guess I shouldn't worry too much.

I guess you shouldn't really

I doubt our armed forces would even p1ss on your if you were on fire and rightly so when you insult the job they do. You should have signed up yourself . Maybe the Army could have taught you some discipline and instilled some values in your life as clearly your parents were happy to rear a layabout

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.
Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.
You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works[/p][/quote]You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.[/p][/quote]Rubbish
Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact
More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them[/p][/quote]Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?[/p][/quote]Beaten?
How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.
This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors[/p][/quote]Is it worth explaining anything to you when you try changing the subject every time the conversation doesn't go your way?. Is that why the government is proposing the "Cinderella" law to tackle people like yourself who get a little bit carried away when exerting their authority on their kids?[/p][/quote]What hasnt gone my way. You misquote everyone to further your cause including changing the subject yourself.
So I ask again how is exerting your authority on children (without the need for physical or mental abuse) by anyway bad ?
Also I ask again regarding your comments on the murdered soldier Lee Rigby. You are now claiming it was all staged because its against the law of physics. Strange how their defence never picked up on this "physics" fact isnt it.
Probably because it happened as explained you fool[/p][/quote]Nothing wrong with exerting your authority. You do however need to know where to draw the line. Constantly doing so results in a very brow beaten child with very little self confidence. You seem to have a problem knowing when to stop. I recall you inciting squaddies to seek me out and attack me even asking me to post my address in order to speed up the process although as you can apparently kill one right outside their barracks and the killers can wait for twenty minutes for the police to turn up and not one squaddie even showed their face in that time I guess I shouldn't worry too much.[/p][/quote]I guess you shouldn't really
I doubt our armed forces would even p1ss on your if you were on fire and rightly so when you insult the job they do. You should have signed up yourself . Maybe the Army could have taught you some discipline and instilled some values in your life as clearly your parents were happy to rear a layaboutAndy2010

RollandSmoke wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.

There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.

There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.

I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.

This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.

You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.

I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.

Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.

You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works

You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.

Rubbish

Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact

More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them

Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?

Beaten?

How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.

This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors

Is it worth explaining anything to you when you try changing the subject every time the conversation doesn't go your way?. Is that why the government is proposing the &quot;Cinderella" law to tackle people like yourself who get a little bit carried away when exerting their authority on their kids?

What hasnt gone my way. You misquote everyone to further your cause including changing the subject yourself.

So I ask again how is exerting your authority on children (without the need for physical or mental abuse) by anyway bad ?

Also I ask again regarding your comments on the murdered soldier Lee Rigby. You are now claiming it was all staged because its against the law of physics. Strange how their defence never picked up on this "physics" fact isnt it.

Probably because it happened as explained you fool

Nothing wrong with exerting your authority. You do however need to know where to draw the line. Constantly doing so results in a very brow beaten child with very little self confidence. You seem to have a problem knowing when to stop. I recall you inciting squaddies to seek me out and attack me even asking me to post my address in order to speed up the process although as you can apparently kill one right outside their barracks and the killers can wait for twenty minutes for the police to turn up and not one squaddie even showed their face in that time I guess I shouldn't worry too much.

I guess you shouldn't really

I doubt our armed forces would even p1ss on your if you were on fire and rightly so when you insult the job they do. You should have signed up yourself . Maybe the Army could have taught you some discipline and instilled some values in your life as clearly your parents were happy to rear a layabout

"The job they do". Elaborate on that. Do you mean fighting wars that turn out to be illegal so as corporations can profit? Are they keeping Britain's streets safe? Why are these supposed radical Muslims so angry at us? What did we ever do to them?

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]They are still around. The Princes Trust grants still exist and are generally around the £2k mark for start ups.
There are also numerous business angels out there looking to invest and whether you believe it or not the banks are still lending but are looking more closely at forecasts etc as we cannot return to the 90's when anyone could just basically walk into a bank with nothing and walk out with a loan/ mortgage 10 minutes later.
There are plenty of premises offering rent free etc for a year for start ups and the Government will even for example pay for your IT costs.
I agree though its very difficult to start up a business and it puts people off but you have to have something in the first instance to put into it by way of capital. Some people just dont understand this concept and younger people especially dont realise that even if you start your own business chances are you wont make any money from it for a very long time. They seem to think they will be quids in from day one.
This is why and to some extent we need to teach pupils in schools about business and personal responsibility rather than stupid subjects that bear no relevance in the real world. I volunteer and work with a local school with other businessmen going in there to lecture and train them on how businesses operate, what to expect etc etc and some of their immediate understandings are just plain stupid. A lot of them think they will be Richard Branson after 6 months of going into business.[/p][/quote]You also need confidence to start up on your own and this is something that our youth lack. They are demoralised and feel that when older, supposedly wiser people tell them they are worthless scroungers who are just out to take take take everything they can get, which isn't a great deal at the end of the day, there must be some truth in it. We've given up on the carrot to lure people into work and now only the stick is used but you cannot continue to beat the poor kids with the stick knowing full well they are backed into a corner with no means of escape. What we've ended up with are a lot of very timid and frighted kids with very little self esteem. We need to give them their self respect back. You never know it may even impact on the levels of respect they show others. They need to feel part of something as for too many that's a feeling that ended the moment they left school.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you and see this first hand although personally and not saying this is right as its only my opinion but we need to be tougher with these kids nowadays.
Im sure you will agree with the feral youths around at the moment most of them are unemployable. Im not saying this is entirely their fault but the state does too much hand holding and nowadays they think they are adults when they hit puberty. They need to be taught personal responsibility and whether you agre eor not that claiming benefits and not working is totally unacceptable. We also need to scrap the stupid uni courses and uni's should only take the cream of the crop. I realise in a Socialist utopia this is totally unacceptable but lets face it we arent all the same and never will despite what rubbish comes out of Brussels.
You only have to watch one episode of Jeremy Kyle to see this. We need to get back to the days when only the brightest went to Uni and the ones left behind took up the slack from the other jobs be that low level office or manual work. I know this is a two tier system but it actually works[/p][/quote]You aren't going to teach anyone anything by backing them into a corner and giving them a good thrashing other than that you are the enemy and to hate you. You've done well on that front. You want the right to insult and belittle people yet expect them to want to work with you or even for you. We have a similar scenario with our racial divide in Bradford. Everyone talks about how the immigrants are the problem and points their fingers at them saying nasty little immigrant for coming here to try and better your life even though in many cases it was their parents who made the decision to come as we were crying out for them at the time, and then everyone's scratching their heads wondering why we have such a segregated town.
People deserve respect regardless of their background or employment/financial status. When all we give out is disrespect this leads to division and we cannot work together to find solutions with that division being fermented in the way it is.[/p][/quote]Rubbish
Less than 18 you arent an adult and need to be told of this fact
More than often the whole problem with today's youth is that they arent disciplined enough by people in authority. They lack barriers and a respect for authority. Before we start to look at improving youth employment we first need to teach them how to act like a responsible citizen. Sadly a lot of them pin their hopes on X factor discovering them[/p][/quote]Told yes, beaten, whether that be literally or psychologically, no. Were you physically abused as a child Andy as there's plenty of research that the abused go on to become abusers. They just don't know any better. Is that what it is with you Andy?[/p][/quote]Beaten?
How is enforcing your authority beating anyone? Please explain.
This research you speak of regarding abuse. It is as rock solid as your research into the Lee Rigby murder and that you stated this solder wasnt actually murdered but is was all staged by actors[/p][/quote]Is it worth explaining anything to you when you try changing the subject every time the conversation doesn't go your way?. Is that why the government is proposing the "Cinderella" law to tackle people like yourself who get a little bit carried away when exerting their authority on their kids?[/p][/quote]What hasnt gone my way. You misquote everyone to further your cause including changing the subject yourself.
So I ask again how is exerting your authority on children (without the need for physical or mental abuse) by anyway bad ?
Also I ask again regarding your comments on the murdered soldier Lee Rigby. You are now claiming it was all staged because its against the law of physics. Strange how their defence never picked up on this "physics" fact isnt it.
Probably because it happened as explained you fool[/p][/quote]Nothing wrong with exerting your authority. You do however need to know where to draw the line. Constantly doing so results in a very brow beaten child with very little self confidence. You seem to have a problem knowing when to stop. I recall you inciting squaddies to seek me out and attack me even asking me to post my address in order to speed up the process although as you can apparently kill one right outside their barracks and the killers can wait for twenty minutes for the police to turn up and not one squaddie even showed their face in that time I guess I shouldn't worry too much.[/p][/quote]I guess you shouldn't really
I doubt our armed forces would even p1ss on your if you were on fire and rightly so when you insult the job they do. You should have signed up yourself . Maybe the Army could have taught you some discipline and instilled some values in your life as clearly your parents were happy to rear a layabout[/p][/quote]"The job they do". Elaborate on that. Do you mean fighting wars that turn out to be illegal so as corporations can profit? Are they keeping Britain's streets safe? Why are these supposed radical Muslims so angry at us? What did we ever do to them?RollandSmoke

There are jobs out there, my 21 year old finished an apprenticeship last August, and visited the job centre every week and in between that period applied for as many jobs as possible and emailed CV's to alot of employers as well as agencies. In November her persistence paid off and she started a full time permanent position. The jobs are there if they can be bothered to try apply for them.

There are jobs out there, my 21 year old finished an apprenticeship last August, and visited the job centre every week and in between that period applied for as many jobs as possible and emailed CV's to alot of employers as well as agencies. In November her persistence paid off and she started a full time permanent position. The jobs are there if they can be bothered to try apply for them.dex556

Class_War wrote:
Andy2010 hasn't done much work today judging by how long he spends on here, hypocrite LOL

That would all depend on what Andy was paid to do.

[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Andy2010 hasn't done much work today judging by how long he spends on here, hypocrite LOL[/p][/quote]That would all depend on what Andy was paid to do.RollandSmoke

Class_War wrote:
dex5556 says &quot;there are jobs out there if you can be bothered to apply for them". Well I apply for at least 20 jobs per fortnight, and have done for YEARS but not even one single interview!

then perhaps you should look at retraining

[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
dex5556 says "there are jobs out there if you can be bothered to apply for them". Well I apply for at least 20 jobs per fortnight, and have done for YEARS but not even one single interview![/p][/quote]then perhaps you should look at retrainingdex556

dex556 wrote:
There are jobs out there, my 21 year old finished an apprenticeship last August, and visited the job centre every week and in between that period applied for as many jobs as possible and emailed CV's to alot of employers as well as agencies. In November her persistence paid off and she started a full time permanent position. The jobs are there if they can be bothered to try apply for them.

The age is the key. I am in my 50s with professional qualifications. I went for an interview for a position, having all required elements required. Sadly I was unsuccessful but unbeknown to me my grandaughter was. She had none of the qualifications required but got the job, need I say more?

[quote][p][bold]dex556[/bold] wrote:
There are jobs out there, my 21 year old finished an apprenticeship last August, and visited the job centre every week and in between that period applied for as many jobs as possible and emailed CV's to alot of employers as well as agencies. In November her persistence paid off and she started a full time permanent position. The jobs are there if they can be bothered to try apply for them.[/p][/quote]The age is the key. I am in my 50s with professional qualifications. I went for an interview for a position, having all required elements required. Sadly I was unsuccessful but unbeknown to me my grandaughter was. She had none of the qualifications required but got the job, need I say more?OLDLAD

Ok I just did a search for Illustrator & In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.

Ok I just did a search for Illustrator & In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.Class_War

Class_War wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator &amp; In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.

I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are "making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?

[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator & In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.[/p][/quote]I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are "making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?RollandSmoke

Class_War wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator &amp; In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.

I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are &quot;making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?

There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator & In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.[/p][/quote]I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are "making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?[/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.dex556

Class_War wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator &amp; In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.

I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are &quot;making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?

There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.

If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?

[quote][p][bold]dex556[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator & In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.[/p][/quote]I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are "making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?[/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.[/p][/quote]If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?RollandSmoke

Class_War wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator &amp; In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.

I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are &quot;making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?

There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.

If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?

How dare you comment on work, it sounds all you want is hand outs and more and more of them. you are strangely happy for other people to work in order to fund your hand outs.

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dex556[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator & In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.[/p][/quote]I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are "making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?[/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.[/p][/quote]If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?[/p][/quote]How dare you comment on work, it sounds all you want is hand outs and more and more of them. you are strangely happy for other people to work in order to fund your hand outs.alive and awake

Class_War wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator &amp; In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.

I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are &quot;making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?

There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.

If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?

How dare you comment on work, it sounds all you want is hand outs and more and more of them. you are strangely happy for other people to work in order to fund your hand outs.

Nice attempt to twist what I'm saying but as usual you are wrong. I would much rather the companies that were profiting from peoples work as well as from supplying the needs of everybody were contributing more to the pot so workers wouldn't have to as much leaving them better financially able to circulate money through local economies which in turn creates more jobs, but we both know that will never happen. I paid insurance, I've claimed on it, get over it.

[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dex556[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator & In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.[/p][/quote]I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are "making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?[/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.[/p][/quote]If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?[/p][/quote]How dare you comment on work, it sounds all you want is hand outs and more and more of them. you are strangely happy for other people to work in order to fund your hand outs.[/p][/quote]Nice attempt to twist what I'm saying but as usual you are wrong. I would much rather the companies that were profiting from peoples work as well as from supplying the needs of everybody were contributing more to the pot so workers wouldn't have to as much leaving them better financially able to circulate money through local economies which in turn creates more jobs, but we both know that will never happen. I paid insurance, I've claimed on it, get over it.RollandSmoke

Class_War wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator &amp; In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.

I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are &quot;making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?

There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.

If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?

How dare you comment on work, it sounds all you want is hand outs and more and more of them. you are strangely happy for other people to work in order to fund your hand outs.

Nice attempt to twist what I'm saying but as usual you are wrong. I would much rather the companies that were profiting from peoples work as well as from supplying the needs of everybody were contributing more to the pot so workers wouldn't have to as much leaving them better financially able to circulate money through local economies which in turn creates more jobs, but we both know that will never happen. I paid insurance, I've claimed on it, get over it.

Yes but it is the workers who pay for your hand outs.
go live in Russia, see how well you get on there.

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dex556[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator & In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.[/p][/quote]I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are "making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?[/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.[/p][/quote]If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?[/p][/quote]How dare you comment on work, it sounds all you want is hand outs and more and more of them. you are strangely happy for other people to work in order to fund your hand outs.[/p][/quote]Nice attempt to twist what I'm saying but as usual you are wrong. I would much rather the companies that were profiting from peoples work as well as from supplying the needs of everybody were contributing more to the pot so workers wouldn't have to as much leaving them better financially able to circulate money through local economies which in turn creates more jobs, but we both know that will never happen. I paid insurance, I've claimed on it, get over it.[/p][/quote]Yes but it is the workers who pay for your hand outs.
go live in Russia, see how well you get on there.alive and awake

Class_War wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator &amp; In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.

I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are &quot;making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?

There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.

If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?

How dare you comment on work, it sounds all you want is hand outs and more and more of them. you are strangely happy for other people to work in order to fund your hand outs.

Nice attempt to twist what I'm saying but as usual you are wrong. I would much rather the companies that were profiting from peoples work as well as from supplying the needs of everybody were contributing more to the pot so workers wouldn't have to as much leaving them better financially able to circulate money through local economies which in turn creates more jobs, but we both know that will never happen. I paid insurance, I've claimed on it, get over it.

Yes but it is the workers who pay for your hand outs.
go live in Russia, see how well you get on there.

It is only that way because our corrupt politicians have made it that way. If the companies were just paying what they are supposed to be and not avoiding and evading that may significantly reduce the tax burden on the workers. If we stopped paying for kids to shoot at and be shot by brown people in distant countries where a lightbulb costs £25 that may reduce their burden too. I say "may" as obviously even if both these things happened the corrupt politicians wouldn't reduce your tax burden by a single penny till at the following election where they would fiddle the figures around and try to bribe some voters. So if I don't like our corrupt political system in the country that my forefathers and I were born and raised in I should **** off out of that country? I think not.

[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dex556[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator & In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.[/p][/quote]I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are "making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?[/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.[/p][/quote]If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?[/p][/quote]How dare you comment on work, it sounds all you want is hand outs and more and more of them. you are strangely happy for other people to work in order to fund your hand outs.[/p][/quote]Nice attempt to twist what I'm saying but as usual you are wrong. I would much rather the companies that were profiting from peoples work as well as from supplying the needs of everybody were contributing more to the pot so workers wouldn't have to as much leaving them better financially able to circulate money through local economies which in turn creates more jobs, but we both know that will never happen. I paid insurance, I've claimed on it, get over it.[/p][/quote]Yes but it is the workers who pay for your hand outs.
go live in Russia, see how well you get on there.[/p][/quote]It is only that way because our corrupt politicians have made it that way. If the companies were just paying what they are supposed to be and not avoiding and evading that may significantly reduce the tax burden on the workers. If we stopped paying for kids to shoot at and be shot by brown people in distant countries where a lightbulb costs £25 that may reduce their burden too. I say "may" as obviously even if both these things happened the corrupt politicians wouldn't reduce your tax burden by a single penny till at the following election where they would fiddle the figures around and try to bribe some voters. So if I don't like our corrupt political system in the country that my forefathers and I were born and raised in I should **** off out of that country? I think not.RollandSmoke

Class_War wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator &amp; In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.

I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are &quot;making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?

There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.

If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?

How dare you comment on work, it sounds all you want is hand outs and more and more of them. you are strangely happy for other people to work in order to fund your hand outs.

Nice attempt to twist what I'm saying but as usual you are wrong. I would much rather the companies that were profiting from peoples work as well as from supplying the needs of everybody were contributing more to the pot so workers wouldn't have to as much leaving them better financially able to circulate money through local economies which in turn creates more jobs, but we both know that will never happen. I paid insurance, I've claimed on it, get over it.

Yes but it is the workers who pay for your hand outs.
go live in Russia, see how well you get on there.

It is only that way because our corrupt politicians have made it that way. If the companies were just paying what they are supposed to be and not avoiding and evading that may significantly reduce the tax burden on the workers. If we stopped paying for kids to shoot at and be shot by brown people in distant countries where a lightbulb costs £25 that may reduce their burden too. I say "may" as obviously even if both these things happened the corrupt politicians wouldn't reduce your tax burden by a single penny till at the following election where they would fiddle the figures around and try to bribe some voters. So if I don't like our corrupt political system in the country that my forefathers and I were born and raised in I should **** off out of that country? I think not.

[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]dex556[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
Ok I just did a search for Illustrator & In Design courses, but no results. I was interested in doing a Post Grad a couple of years back but there is no funding available for what I wanted to do.[/p][/quote]I'm suprised you haven't been attacked yet for saying what you wanted to do. Any concept of working in a job you enjoy has gone right out the window. Work must be endured not enjoyed as you strive to bring in that wage packet at the end of the week that leaves you broke again once all your bills are paid. Of course they are "making work pay" by freezing wages at below inflation rates year in year out. Double plus good what?[/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong with ambition and aiming to secure a job or training in an area of work that interests a person, but in the real world it isnt always possible to do that, I myself am not working in my chosen profession, but in order to earn money for my family I would and have in the past take on any job.[/p][/quote]If you are not working in your chosen profession it's not a case of you would or have in the past taken on jobs you didn't want, you are doing a job that you would prefer not to be doing. If it is making your family secure then fair enough. Is it?[/p][/quote]How dare you comment on work, it sounds all you want is hand outs and more and more of them. you are strangely happy for other people to work in order to fund your hand outs.[/p][/quote]Nice attempt to twist what I'm saying but as usual you are wrong. I would much rather the companies that were profiting from peoples work as well as from supplying the needs of everybody were contributing more to the pot so workers wouldn't have to as much leaving them better financially able to circulate money through local economies which in turn creates more jobs, but we both know that will never happen. I paid insurance, I've claimed on it, get over it.[/p][/quote]Yes but it is the workers who pay for your hand outs.
go live in Russia, see how well you get on there.[/p][/quote]It is only that way because our corrupt politicians have made it that way. If the companies were just paying what they are supposed to be and not avoiding and evading that may significantly reduce the tax burden on the workers. If we stopped paying for kids to shoot at and be shot by brown people in distant countries where a lightbulb costs £25 that may reduce their burden too. I say "may" as obviously even if both these things happened the corrupt politicians wouldn't reduce your tax burden by a single penny till at the following election where they would fiddle the figures around and try to bribe some voters. So if I don't like our corrupt political system in the country that my forefathers and I were born and raised in I should **** off out of that country? I think not.[/p][/quote]Go to Russia, noted for it's honest politicians.
They would welcome your free speech.alive and awake

Grumpygirl wrote:
Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.

Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

Tories used as an excuse for lazing about grabbing benefits - change the record.

[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.
Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.[/p][/quote]Tories used as an excuse for lazing about grabbing benefits - change the record.Makollig Jezvahted

Class_War wrote:
The greatest injustice is that young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air. Politicians of all parties know perfectly well that full employment is an impossibility and that unemployment is needed to regulate Wages in a Capitalist system. Capital;ism cannot function without unemployment.

I guess we should all thank you for helping capitalism function then!

[quote][p][bold]Class_War[/bold] wrote:
The greatest injustice is that young unemployed Workers are not paid the full amount of State Benefits and are expected to live on fresh air. Politicians of all parties know perfectly well that full employment is an impossibility and that unemployment is needed to regulate Wages in a Capitalist system. Capital;ism cannot function without unemployment.[/p][/quote]I guess we should all thank you for helping capitalism function then!Makollig Jezvahted

RollandSmoke wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?

'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then!

So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.

My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.

Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?

Define Financially Viable

If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.

is it not in yours?

Problem is, for many 'jobseekers' they would be much worse off in this situation as they would no longer have 40 hours a week to do their cash in hand job/taxi driving/drug dealing/car wash working/take away delivering while claiming to be unemployed. Me, I'd work for less than benefits just for the dignity of it - sadly I'm a dying breed.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: No-one can deny that we have lost some major employers in Bradford over the years. It has not just effected the youth, everyone is struggling for jobs. Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better then how far are they expected to ride to get to and from work if indeed they can afford a bike in the first place. What should have happened when the large employers closed is that some entrepreneurial spirit kicked in resulting in lots of small businesses to take up some of the slack. Unfortunately due to low wages followed by minimal benefits this hasn't happened as the capital needed to get a business off the ground has been impossible to secure. Business always has an element of risk and it would be foolish to gamble your money when you have absolutely no financial cushion to fall back on. We cannot blame the youth for the predicament they find themselves in. It is the neglect of the previous generations, the apathy and the I'm all right jack attitudes that have led us here. The chances of these youths creating jobs themselves are not beyond the realms of possibility but it would require capital to invest and that is the last thing that anyone is willing to consider giving them. In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course. Where are such schemes now and how can these kids access them?[/p][/quote]'Get on your bikes say some but as surrounding areas are not fairing much better' Leeds is booming and ten minutes on the train. My partner works in recruitment in Leeds City Centre and has never been busier. 'In my early twenties I did a Princes Trust youth business course' Money well spent then![/p][/quote]So there's no youth unemployment problem in Leeds then? I think you'll find there is. My aunt Bessie on my mother's side twice removed has a job, that must mean we have full employment eh idiot? The Princes Trust taught me valuable lessons unfortunately the key to eternal good health was not one of them.[/p][/quote]My point was that there are much more opportunities in Leeds. Don't just take my word for it (or my partners' fo that matter), catch the train and go have a look for yourself! You will see a thriving city with plenty of opportunities for those who WANT them. I've highlighted the key word for you there.[/p][/quote]Well lets just give up on Bradford then. All our problems are solved, If anyone was thinking about starting a business in Bradford don't bother there's not going to be anyone here to use it as they've all bogged off to Leeds. How much transport costs would you have to deduct from your wage packet if traveling to and from Leeds every day? If the job is only paying minimum wage is it financially viable after this expenditure has been taken into account?[/p][/quote]Define Financially Viable
If working leaves you £1 a month better off rather than claiming benefits its worth it in my eyes.
is it not in yours?[/p][/quote]Problem is, for many 'jobseekers' they would be much worse off in this situation as they would no longer have 40 hours a week to do their cash in hand job/taxi driving/drug dealing/car wash working/take away delivering while claiming to be unemployed. Me, I'd work for less than benefits just for the dignity of it - sadly I'm a dying breed.Makollig Jezvahted

Grumpygirl wrote:
Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.

Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.

lol

No. It's not funny at all.

Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves.

When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots?

It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn.

The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.

So unemployment is nothing to do with Labour's open door Multicultural immigration policies?

Or the socialist labour movement that made it more beneficial to sit on your backside popping out kids contributing nothing just taking constantly?

I could go on but whats the point

Top and bottom of all this politics aside please explain what is wrong with taking responsibility for looking after themselves and their families without government assistance?

We are one of the few countries in the world that supports the workshy in the way we do.

People like yourself make me laugh as If you could see what poverty really is in other countries you might think that this country (whoever is in charge its all basically the same) isn't so bad after all

The damage was done in Bradford way before Labour got in.

[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote:
Ultimately the only answer to youth unemployment is training. However this means investment, and greedy Tory bosses are more interested in paying themselves fat cat salaries so they prefer to employ ready-trained foreigners.
Once again the Tories are privatising the gains and socialising the losses. They expect the poor to make the rich richer.[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]No. It's not funny at all.
Most of Bradford's troubles can be traced back to the post-war decision by the Tory mill owners to address their productivity problems, not by investing in new machinery, but by importing cheap labour. The bosses preferred to spend the profits on themselves.
When this short sighted, greedy, policy failed they cashed-in and walked away from their businesses leaving the city to pick up the consequences of a large unassimilated mass of migrants. The rest is history. Or have you forgotten the Manningham riots?
It is the grandchildren of these migrants that make up the bulk of our youth unemployment. You can't blame them for being unemployed, but you can blame the Tory bosses for starting the ball rolling all those years ago. History always has lessons to teach, if you're prepared to learn.
The big lesson here is that Tories bosses live off the state far more than any benefit scrounger ever will.[/p][/quote]So unemployment is nothing to do with Labour's open door Multicultural immigration policies?
Or the socialist labour movement that made it more beneficial to sit on your backside popping out kids contributing nothing just taking constantly?
I could go on but whats the point
Top and bottom of all this politics aside please explain what is wrong with taking responsibility for looking after themselves and their families without government assistance?
We are one of the few countries in the world that supports the workshy in the way we do.
People like yourself make me laugh as If you could see what poverty really is in other countries you might think that this country (whoever is in charge its all basically the same) isn't so bad after all[/p][/quote]The damage was done in Bradford way before Labour got in.Wanna Have

Perhaps the council could bring back COMMUNITY PROJECTS together with the Job Centre pay young £70 for three days work, doing things much needed in Bradford. Naturally Housing Benefit in place for those who need.

College courses to be allowed if you are on Jobseekers. As to date you cannot complete a full time course gaining invaluable skills if you are claiming jobseekers as you are not 'actively seeking work'.

It is a shame we have nothing to export as we import everything and that is why we have no great industry.

It's a shame.

Mind you perhaps you could have a war and send them out on the front line that should dwindle the masses. For I am not sure where we can go with this situation.

BRADFORD IS BRILLIANT AND IT WILL FIND A WAY.

OMG, so much writing.
Perhaps the council could bring back COMMUNITY PROJECTS together with the Job Centre pay young £70 for three days work, doing things much needed in Bradford. Naturally Housing Benefit in place for those who need.
College courses to be allowed if you are on Jobseekers. As to date you cannot complete a full time course gaining invaluable skills if you are claiming jobseekers as you are not 'actively seeking work'.
It is a shame we have nothing to export as we import everything and that is why we have no great industry.
It's a shame.
Mind you perhaps you could have a war and send them out on the front line that should dwindle the masses. For I am not sure where we can go with this situation.
BRADFORD IS BRILLIANT AND IT WILL FIND A WAY.amanda1666