Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now.

As to the quality of the students, these were the same kids that were being recruited in Raleigh, Durham, Greenville, any number of places. I'm sure their abilty to succeed in Chapel Hill would have been no different than their ability to succeed any where else.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now. so, you are speculating....sorry, that isn't proof and doesn't signify a change

sad

— Posted by weaklings report

Can't prove a negative. Sorry.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

You must be good at bowling, you keep knocking multiple pins down at a time.

Just as I'm thinking you don't have proof that classes for athletes all of the sudden DO exist. We've all seen the proof that gave the world a glimpse at how athletes (don't) attend class there but I don't know if I've seen proof that things have changed.

I simply find it hard to believe that one could go from working on "basic letters and sounds" to succeeding in a legitimate college classroom. Something doesn't seem to fit there, no?

— Posted by Dr. PwntV2

Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now.

As to the quality of the students, these were the same kids that were being recruited in Raleigh, Durham, Greenville, any number of places. I'm sure their abilty to succeed in Chapel Hill would have been no different than their ability to succeed any where else.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now. so, you are speculating....sorry, that isn't proof and doesn't signify a change

sad

— Posted by weaklings report

Can't prove a negative. Sorry.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

You must be good at bowling, you keep knocking multiple pins down at a time.

Just as I'm thinking you don't have proof that classes for athletes all of the sudden DO exist. We've all seen the proof that gave the world a glimpse at how athletes (don't) attend class there but I don't know if I've seen proof that things have changed.

I simply find it hard to believe that one could go from working on "basic letters and sounds" to succeeding in a legitimate college classroom. Something doesn't seem to fit there, no?

— Posted by Dr. PwntV2

Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now.

As to the quality of the students, these were the same kids that were being recruited in Raleigh, Durham, Greenville, any number of places. I'm sure their abilty to succeed in Chapel Hill would have been no different than their ability to succeed any where else.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now. so, you are speculating....sorry, that isn't proof and doesn't signify a change

sad

— Posted by weaklings report

Can't prove a negative. Sorry.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

sigh, still no proof, just speculation....plenty of proof unc cheated(actually from waaaay back in the '57* title era, then discovered AGAIN the past decade), but no proof things have changedsad

Just as I'm thinking you don't have proof that classes for athletes all of the sudden DO exist. We've all seen the proof that gave the world a glimpse at how athletes (don't) attend class there but I don't know if I've seen proof that things have changed.

I simply find it hard to believe that one could go from working on "basic letters and sounds" to succeeding in a legitimate college classroom. Something doesn't seem to fit there, no?

— Posted by Dr. PwntV2

Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now.

As to the quality of the students, these were the same kids that were being recruited in Raleigh, Durham, Greenville, any number of places. I'm sure their abilty to succeed in Chapel Hill would have been no different than their ability to succeed any where else.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now. so, you are speculating....sorry, that isn't proof and doesn't signify a change

These athletes who had tutors help them sound out letters have to stay eligible somehow (and it ain't by taking legitimate college level courses, that's for sure).

— Posted by Dr. PwntV2

Well, if you have proof, feel free to share it.

But I'm thinking you don't.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

Just as I'm thinking you don't have proof that classes for athletes all of the sudden DO exist. We've all seen the proof that gave the world a glimpse at how athletes (don't) attend class there but I don't know if I've seen proof that things have changed.

I simply find it hard to believe that one could go from working on "basic letters and sounds" to succeeding in a legitimate college classroom. Something doesn't seem to fit there, no?

— Posted by Dr. PwntV2

Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now.

As to the quality of the students, these were the same kids that were being recruited in Raleigh, Durham, Greenville, any number of places. I'm sure their abilty to succeed in Chapel Hill would have been no different than their ability to succeed any where else.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now. so, you are speculating....sorry, that isn't proof and doesn't signify a change

and those problems have been corrected. Since the poster was referring to current players, should not be an issue.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

Ehhhhhh, I find that hard to believe.

These athletes who had tutors help them sound out letters have to stay eligible somehow (and it ain't by taking legitimate college level courses, that's for sure).

— Posted by Dr. PwntV2

Well, if you have proof, feel free to share it.

But I'm thinking you don't.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

Just as I'm thinking you don't have proof that classes for athletes all of the sudden DO exist. We've all seen the proof that gave the world a glimpse at how athletes (don't) attend class there but I don't know if I've seen proof that things have changed.

I simply find it hard to believe that one could go from working on "basic letters and sounds" to succeeding in a legitimate college classroom. Something doesn't seem to fit there, no?

— Posted by Dr. PwntV2

Well, I look at it this way. With all the scrutiny they have been under, if things have not changed, then it would have surfaced by now.

As to the quality of the students, these were the same kids that were being recruited in Raleigh, Durham, Greenville, any number of places. I'm sure their abilty to succeed in Chapel Hill would have been no different than their ability to succeed any where else.

Ehhhh, that's debatable. Hard to say classes exist when they don't meet, don't have a syllabus, nor an instructor. Those are some key components you're missing there.

On another front, it would seem that Fedora isn't as amused with the Ebron's antics. Since his little Ebronics outburst he's been quarantined from the media and had several tweets deleted. Whoops.

— Posted by Dr. PwntV2

and those problems have been corrected. Since the poster was referring to current players, should not be an issue.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

Ehhhhhh, I find that hard to believe.

These athletes who had tutors help them sound out letters have to stay eligible somehow (and it ain't by taking legitimate college level courses, that's for sure).

— Posted by Dr. PwntV2

Well, if you have proof, feel free to share it.

But I'm thinking you don't.

— Posted by FourAutumnv.5

Just as I'm thinking you don't have proof that classes for athletes all of the sudden DO exist. We've all seen the proof that gave the world a glimpse at how athletes (don't) attend class there but I don't know if I've seen proof that things have changed.

I simply find it hard to believe that one could go from working on &quot;basic letters and sounds&quot; to succeeding in a legitimate college classroom. Something doesn't seem to fit there, no?

They also won a natty and K has more ncaa tourney wins then anyone. Every team can struggle in the tourney sometimes, especially when you are there every season. More opportunities to lose the more you play, right?

They also won a natty and K has more ncaa tourney wins then anyone. Every team can struggle in the tourney sometimes, especially when you are there every season. More opportunities to lose the more you play, right?

In the last 10 years they have been the #1 seed 5 times. They were 1-4 in Sweet 16 games during that time. That means as a 1 seed they failed to beat a team seeded higher than #8 four out of five of those years.

In the same time frame they were #2 seed 4 times. As a 2 seed they lost in the first round (Lehigh) 2nd round and in the Sweet 16.

1 year they were 6th and lost in the 1st round.

So over the last 10 years Dook has failed to advance past the 1st Round twice, 2nd Round once and SW16 FIVE times. .pathetic

Ebron is nice and will likely be one of the first TE taken in the draft. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't he left over butchie talent as well?? If dude had a legitimate QB tossing the pigskin to hik he may have reached those lofty expectations fedora piled on him, gonna come up short for sure.