think about this though. All the tools, material, iron, wood and digging up under org, it would have cost so much gold to have done. So, well the orcs have been fighting desperately for supplies to survive, Garrosh has used all resourced to build himself an underground fortress.

tbh, i find it a little creepy. I mean since vanilla I've loved orgrimmar, its been my city. After it was done up I hated the redesign, which now currently is a symbol of Garrosh's corrupt horde. But knowing theres a vast underground fortress under the city that Garrosh uses for his evil schemes.. it just comes off as creepy, not the once wholesome and good orgrimmar I once knew.

Wholesome and good ? Both Alliance and Horde commit war crimes.

But anyway, back to the underground lair. I just think it makes sense. It's stupid to have the leader of your entire faction exposed as he is in Grommash Hold. Sylvanas is not just underground, but deep inside a room with a long entrance. Garrosh is right near the front gate. Varian is in a big castle (although it's debatable whether it'd withstand a mana bomb more easily than Grommash Hold). Iron Forge is built into a mountain.

Cost/benefit ... we give much more protection to the US President than to Congress and Supreme Court combined, even though the pres is only one half of one third of the major three parts of our government.

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Yes, it's a fully underground base beneath Orgrimmar, and we won't even get to see even a little bit of the city. No riding through the Valley of Spirits. No slaying Kor'kron in the Drag. Underground base. And can you honestly blame Blizzard?

I hated that Dragon Soul reused models for bosses, but I -loved- seeing a landscape I knew, completely transformed and in a new purpose. But Blizzard got slammed hard for reusing previous landscapes for Dragon Soul. To the point of panic. Now, they promised a Siege of Orgrimmar, but see forced to make all of it new to the player's eyes. Well, that's what we get then.

Yes, it's a fully underground base beneath Orgrimmar, and we won't even get to see even a little bit of the city. No riding through the Valley of Spirits. No slaying Kor'kron in the Drag. Underground base. And can you honestly blame Blizzard?

I hated that Dragon Soul reused models for bosses, but I -loved- seeing a landscape I knew, completely transformed and in a new purpose. But Blizzard got slammed hard for reusing previous landscapes for Dragon Soul. To the point of panic. Now, they promised a Siege of Orgrimmar, but see forced to make all of it new to the player's eyes. Well, that's what we get then.

Underground Bunker. Be happy

No, a portion of the raid WILL be in the city itself, not just beneath it.

Yes, it's a fully underground base beneath Orgrimmar, and we won't even get to see even a little bit of the city. No riding through the Valley of Spirits. No slaying Kor'kron in the Drag. Underground base. And can you honestly blame Blizzard?

I hated that Dragon Soul reused models for bosses, but I -loved- seeing a landscape I knew, completely transformed and in a new purpose. But Blizzard got slammed hard for reusing previous landscapes for Dragon Soul. To the point of panic. Now, they promised a Siege of Orgrimmar, but see forced to make all of it new to the player's eyes. Well, that's what we get then.

Underground Bunker. Be happy

I'd rather have had reused boss models and a new environment for Dragon Soul than new boss models in boring-as-hell Dragonblight.

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So, it looks like Garrosh has had the heart transported to his hidden throne room and hanging from the ceiling.

Am I the only one who just laughs at the idea of this. Its like, as warchief, he pretended to be this leader of the horde, but in truth, he was building a secret underground layer nobody knew about, and even contructs a throne room larger then the one in valley of strength.

Really, the throne room in valley of strength is just a decoy, the real throne is underground.

Yes, it's a fully underground base beneath Orgrimmar, and we won't even get to see even a little bit of the city. No riding through the Valley of Spirits. No slaying Kor'kron in the Drag. Underground base. And can you honestly blame Blizzard?

I hated that Dragon Soul reused models for bosses, but I -loved- seeing a landscape I knew, completely transformed and in a new purpose. But Blizzard got slammed hard for reusing previous landscapes for Dragon Soul. To the point of panic. Now, they promised a Siege of Orgrimmar, but see forced to make all of it new to the player's eyes. Well, that's what we get then.

Underground Bunker. Be happy

First part of the raid is in Vale of Eternal Sorrows
Second part is at the "Gates of Retribution" which is Ogrimmar
Third part is the Underhold, which is of course under Ogrimmar
Fourth part is Downfall, which is also below Ogrimmar

So while yes, most of the raid isn't in the Ogrimmar we know. Part of the raid is.