i sens that you agree with what Israel and Obama would say but you will close your ears to the president or Iran
Iran sometime hang and stone peoples because of their crimes yes i know..
USA is doing the "same" things and the DNA clears out the guy often after his executions... everybody is egual ..they both have problems .. they
BOTH have hiddens crimes.. dont denied it and ...
Dont superestimate/underestimate peoples before they can explain things up...

No mediator ... ?? you think that ...??
there is always a neutral mediator... to be between the parties
to control the room.... let the other speak and questions them up

Unlikely as it seems, it could be a provocative proposal. It might even be considered a brilliant offensive tactical maneuver....

i would say the most brilliant offensive peace politicaly strategic maneuver

what else can he make .... ???
he know that Israel and USA will strike Iran in November
between this maneuver and a tactical offensive military air strike maneuver .. i would choose HIS maneuver

Exactly my point. Being a leader involves making choices that do not necessarily benefit the short term goals but rather the long term goals.
"Being most popular President" does not always serve the interest of a country.

exactly my point to

he is doing that for his peoples last chance before they get destroy the hell out by air strikes.. its the best last peacefull
chance he can attempt .. its not to start a career in hollywood..
USA diplomats always runs when he speak at the UN
its time for a FAIR debate

And what about Israel?
Israel would be opposed to this I'm sure, this could cause a Huge diplomatic row..

And of course this implies that Israel controls US policy and actions... I guess we know who the REAL world power is... This situation is dangerous...

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To the OP:

Ahmadinejad has always been avant-garde and unrestricted in the world of politics, as far as his speech is concerned. It seems to me that this makes
most politicians who are bound by the "politically correct" and "common way of doing/saying things" jealous. It seems that logic has escaped from
western leaders who are forced to "go with the flow" and "do what they are told" by the REAL people in power (whoever they are).

Ahmadinejad, on the other hand, has had more freedom than any of us to speak his mind, to say what is right, and to "stick it to the man". Every
time he opens his mouth and offers a possible solution, exposes a lie, or tells people his thoughts, it makes more and more people realize the
stupidity, hypocrisy, greed, and savagery of western politics/foreign policy.

Obama could even surprise us and win the debate, but he has not the guts to attempt to such a debate.

Ahmadinejad knows this, and for him it's a win-win situation. If he debates with Obama, he will make Obama very uncomftable regarding US Foreign
policy over the years.

Obama knows it, and his attempts at raising Iran's human rights issues will be seen to distract from Ahmadinejad's questions to Obama regarding US
policies, which in part, Obama will be hoping to distract from.

In short, Obama may well lose the debate. Obama is afraid of losing the debate, so will not debate.

Instead of agreeing to the debate, and standing by his "principles" and perhaps winning the debate, he won't bother. Too worried about losing to
Ahmadinejad, rather than thinking that beating Ahmadinejad in a debate might win more support for an anti-Iran stance in the world.

I wanted a cool metaphore "gifted powers"
im saying that i know usualy what side are lying or exagerate things up.
peoples today are filled with one sided propaganda (TV brainwash)
it will not let open their minds to start questions things around us
especially things that can lead up to a big war with thousand of innocent dying ...

Many peoples did and still agree to the airstrikes that destroyed Irak, Afghanistan, Gaza, Lebanon ... etc
with hundred of thousand of victims innocents
those people dont have gifted powers

you dont agree = you have "gifted power" to free you mind from corruptions and evil intentions.

I am merely saying that, from an outsiders point of view, you guys appointed a leader for your country and here you are (almost) chanting the Iranian
national anthem. I think that's ironic..

I think it is better to trust neither one..(

what a typo!!!

)

Peace

[edit on 2-8-2010 by operation mindcrime]

first im Canadian lol (from the french Quebec province)
we didnt elect better in Harper
Canada follow USA that Follow Israel

I dont relax .. when i see somebody(i dont say you) who would agree on the Irak and Afghanistan war and others possible wars (IRAN) and that thinks
peacetalks/debates are just silly

We have MANY wannabe/big empire dictators today
the world will really plunge into Darknest if Obama doest agree on this debate to save Us from this big futur war
that today seems unstopable ... I HAVE HOPE IN THAT DEBATE
nobody should reject that great idea of this debate
i wanted one for so long between them .. my wish was granted

can Obama repeat "YES" WE CAN one more time plzzzz pretty plzzz

I will update the thread if i see any info that he have accepted to have a contructed debate with Amhadinejad
that would be just GREAT

I saw Obama coming because he telegraphed him self by saying the opposite things to the opposite people many times during his campaign,,,very telling
when a candidate is talking to business people.
he told the truth to foreigners like Canadian business men and lied to Americans...that was a telling move right there IMHO

Trouble is Israel would stop supporting Obamas administration if he were to agree to a debate with Ahmadinejad, and then what...?

You would wind up with a republican who might not be able to read a teleprompter...

Mr Ahmadinejad says Iran has a right to the measures allowed in the treaty Iran is a signatory to.."
and Mr President what is your response?
Mr President: "I would put food on my family "

Problem is; the Elite is so bent on putting puppets in place in the White House, that the puppets can barely function without the strings to the
puppet master. On the other hand, a loose cannon like Iran puts leaders in place who are strong, and - like this guy - knows their #. Dangerous,
possibly, but damn intelligent.

Obama wouldn't stand a chance without a teleprompter, no.

Which is why it would be awesome. I would probably enjoy the debate more than I should, if it ever came to be, which it won't.

I am merely saying that, from an outsiders point of view, you guys appointed a leader for your country and here you are (almost) chanting the Iranian
national anthem. I think that's ironic..

I think it is better to trust neither one..(

what a typo!!!

)

Peace

[edit on 2-8-2010 by operation mindcrime]

Actually Obama won on the back of huge donations from TPTB, a catalog of lies and probably a smidgeon of electronic vote rigging just to be sure.
He's now doing everything he can to justify an attack on Iran. Compare that with Ahmadinejad who might very well be supporting the Taliban against
the foreign invaders but has shown no interest in threatening the soveriegnty of any country. He continually denies any interest in developing
nuclear weapons and that is supported by numerous western experts and analysts. But that doesn't count.

Part of the Obama war strategy is controlling the information about Iran and painting them as an oppressed people desperate for liberation. Agreeing
to an open debate with Iran's president where it would be difficult to censor his comments would be counter-productive.

For Ahmadinejad, it's a win-win proposal unless he actually has something to hide. If that were the case, it would be a risky gamble but the odds
would still be in his favor.

Where can I purchase a Pro-Ahmadinejad button? I would love to pin one on my shirt in the event of an actual debate.

The sad truth is that it will never happen. Obama would have to be crazy to debate Ahmadinejad, he knows he would have his ass handed to him. He would
be exposed for everything he truly is and the west will finally be able to see how Ahmadinejad really is, a good guy.

I believe there really is a new 'curtain' up, just like the old 'Iron Curtain' we now have a new curtain, whether you want to call it the
'Western Curtain' or the 'Capitalist Curtain' or even the 'Materialist Curtain', whatever you want to call it. We have a curtain up against the
developing world, where only the ideals of the West (i.e. Imperialism, Liberalism and Capitalism) will go unquestioned, they can't allow in any
proposals from the developing world or their monopoly would be destroyed.

This thread, and the vast majority of the add-on posts to it, are just additional testament to the pitiful state of this site. ATS has become (or
maybe always has been) an anti-American, anti-West flame fest.

Ahmadinejad has (faux) challenged Barak Obama to a debate, knowing full well it won't ever happen. How very brave...

And the nearly universal take on this (here) is that Obama won't debate him because America would thus be exposed to be (take your pick) evil, wrong,
imperialistic, war mongering, genocidal...whatever.

How about the possibility that the President of the United States would not take up the challenge because Ahmadinejad is the leader of an oppressive,
repressive, terrorist-supporting, holocaust-denying, anti-feminist, anti-gay, anti-democracy, anti-freedom-of-speech regime...that has not earned the
right to share a stage with the leader of the free world?

Now...I am no fan of Obama. I think he is taking America in the wrong direction - including pandering to the very same (extremist) Islamic elements
that would love nothing more than to see America go down in flames, literally.

I believe that his original policy idea of engagement with radicals like Ahmadinejad was idealistic - and now that he has been in the Presidency for
two years, he realizes this.

Those of you who really think that this Iranian leader could actually win a debate with Obama are dreaming. Those that think Ahmadinejad's posturing
and delaying, dodging and weaving will somehow result in a geo-political win against the West are delusional.

Whether you agree with it or not. Whether you think the West's arguments hold water or not. Iran will toe the line - and soon - or we will all be
discussing the former Islamic Republic of Iran in future ATS debates.

Any President of Iran would win this debate hands down. He doesn't have to worry about what the political opposition, his own party, or the
electorate thinks back home, and can pretty much say whatever he wants, whether it's true or not, and he also doesn't have to worry about Iranian
media coverage of him in a bad light as the Iranian Government has pretty much reigned in their media.

Any US President has to worry about all of the above in every single thing that he says. He can't say what he means because of this.

ANY Iranian President would tear ANY US President a new one in any debate.

Unless the debate is prescripted and telepromptered, the big O is going nowhere near any debate.

Have you seen this guy talk without a telemprompter or earpiece feeding him information.

dur er um er ou,

he always need one i know that ..
the reasons... i beleive some speechs may be to important being listenned by millions of peoples... you cant have any risks to make any little
mistakes in them
but during/before the elections ... they cant possibly go debate with a teleprompter its impossible ..
Obama was pretty good VS Mccain during those public live debates
but he wont stand any chances VS Amhadinejad

if you pass the debate you win the election then all your futurs speech will be telepromted to help you and avoid any mistakes
just to forgive any statements can have enormous consequences today

I have a question ...
which president in the USA never used a teleprompter ????
did JFK used one ???
but im 100% sure Washington himself didnt use any teleprompter lol

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