Joined: 21 Apr 2004Posts: 25037Location: In a rock an roll venue near you....as long as you are in the Pacific Northwest.

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:52 am Post subject:

No, not f'ed in the head................just see it different.
Like I said bro....My own brother was at the end of 2 of them things, till the cops were laughing saying to him............"John did you just piss yourself!"

Now, here is what happened. He was blind drunk and very upset at his home. (He had found out about a buddy dying in Iraq), and he went outside in his fenced frontyard and did some yelling..............at like 3:30 am.

The neighbors called the police. Well my mom had gotten there first because John had called her all upset. When the cops got there they had him sat down on the floor in the front room and were talking with him. He decided he was done listening to them and got up to get a drink of water, they told him to sit the fuck back down. Mom didn't like that and said they had no reason to say that stuff. Well, he wouldn't listen and 4 cops took him down and then scorched him. Keep in mind this was the summer after he had broken and dislocated his left foot.

One female cop bruised my moms shoulder and wrist keeping her back and all she did was stand up and yell at the cops........."You don't have to do that." Well. I love my boneheaded brother and I feel for his lost buddy, but if he would have listened and wasn't so partied out, he would have sat there to listen to the police tell him to go to bed and have a good night. He didn't and as much as it sucks he was jolted, he brought it on hisownself.

Agreed, no one has the right to turn anyone into a punching bag yes very true, but there are also rules and ettiquet standards also. Alex being a musician should have also known Justin was in the wrong by hopping up on that stage un asked. I bet a stage crew member for Al has taken someone off the stage before._________________This space for rent

I can't believe you all actually feel this way. It must be me that is fucked in the head. I just can't see how beating and shocking a human being ( or cracking his skull, as you say) is the equivalent to being drunk and singing on a stage. Even when being asked to leave! Nobody ever said that Justin resisted arrest, but that Alex came over and said, "Whoa, no, he's not going anywhere." and attempted to herd him back into the room.

If he'd done anything violent I'd be right there with you, but he did not. And as to acting his age, if Alex, Geddy and Neil acted their age there wouldn't be a By-tor.com. They would have stopped recording, writing rock music and touring after age 30 in the early '80s.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword._________________Happy 2015!

just a saying my brother. I understand your point of view however if a cop pulls me over on a dark saturday night, I do exactly what he tells me to do. He has no idea what my intentions are and he has to do what he has to do to protect himself. Case in point, this NY thing with Sean Bell.. The guy has been drinking, he is acting the fool and he leaves the parking lot like a madman. Sure he did not have a gun, but the cops did not know that. It was pure confusion and cops are trained to defend themselves. same thing with the Alex's son, unknown situation and they did what they had to do to protect themselves.. Who are we to question a cop? Maybe put yourself in an officer's shoes. They are trying to do a tough job, stay alive and go home to their families at the end of the day. I thank God they do their jobs to keep me safe._________________Happy 2015!

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:57 am Post subject:

No, you remember well. As I said, 90% of the time I'm with the cops. That "taser kid" wasn't partying on New Year's Eve in a giant bar/room full of like-partying people, with his millionaire father who was probably very generous with the pyramids that evening. I am still against brutality in either case, but I can see how one, being sober and fully aware of his actions......no. Wait a minute. That's wrong as well. If I said that this electrocution was justified, I was wrong. I was going to try to defend myself, but that would be contradictory of how I think the world should be.

If a cop told me to drop, I would immediately. If I was in Fla. I think I would be brutalized anyway, laying there prone on the ground with my fingers locked behind my head, I'm sure they would electrocute and beat me with a club, just because they like to see human suffering and feel dominant over others.

now, we can agree. If you do everything the cop says and you still get the tazer or beat, the cop deserves to be sued. I am sure that has happened before. I am sure there are asshole cops but I would say 99% of cops are good cops. I just don't think that was the case in this situation. IMO cause I was not there.

No, you remember well. As I said, 90% of the time I'm with the cops. That "taser kid" wasn't partying on New Year's Eve in a giant bar/room full of like-partying people, with his millionaire father who was probably very generous with the pyramids that evening. I am still against brutality in either case, but I can see how one, being sober and fully aware of his actions......no. Wait a minute. That's wrong as well. If I said that this electrocution was justified, I was wrong. I was going to try to defend myself, but that would be contradictory of how I think the world should be.

If a cop told me to drop, I would immediately. If I was in Fla. I think I would be brutalized anyway, laying there prone on the ground with my fingers locked behind my head, I'm sure they would electrocute and beat me with a club, just because they like to see human suffering and feel dominant over others.

Sad thing is, most people conveniently forget all that when they're "ten-feet-tall-and-bulletproof" drunk.

Now yours truly, on the other hand, I'm the nicest drunk you'll ever meet.

I'll even throw up in your trash can._________________Don't start none...won't be none.

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:11 am Post subject:

Big Blue Owl wrote:

That "taser kid" wasn't partying on New Year's Eve in a giant bar

I deleted my post about him. The only similarities in these cases are that they stir a lot of emotions in me. But trying to compare one against the other doesn't really work._________________Aren't you the guy who hit me in the eye?