>>100906662>Shirou would be on the far side of the dense,
No he fucking isn't.I can understand people who've just watched the anime and want to enjoy the 'hilarious' jokes about how stupid is so stupid be he simply isn't.God I hate that 'Die when you're killed' screencap.

>>100906767
Well that really dragged on Kotori's route and he really didn't know what the fuck to do so he just stayed at school hoping she would come back, not having any real leads and whatnot even though it was fucking obvious that she was hiding in the forest. I honestly felt that part was more to show Yoshino caring than Kotarou's stupidity, which he was but whatever.
At least Kotarou knows how to have fun, unlike Yuuji who's idea is always to not give a shit or bitch slap people when they don't listen to him, or fuck them, whichever comes first.

>Lets you stay out late without calling>Lets you hang around other women without getting jelly>Always waiting for you at night with a warm dinner and open arms>Always willing to put out just for you>Cooks, cleans, sews, good with kids, kind, playful, compassionate, and upbeat>9/10 body at least

>>100906783
I'm generalizing you dumb shit. I know there's more to him than that but I'm not going to bother writing for more than five minutes of a dick.

Military teen with a stick up his ass is a perfect description of him. The edginess I hated was his whole ''my arm is twiching and shit'' in Makina's route which could have been interesting and given more insight into his character but it's never brought up so whatever.

>>100906823
Just basing myself on some other anon, haven't read Fate/Stay Night or watched the anime. I just know he's dense. I don't want to read anything made by them.

>>100906767
Kotarou being like that had a perfectly reasonable reason, stupid idiot. Didn't you read the novel?
Yuuji also has his own reasons, but I guess stupid kids won't know until they read the next two sequels.

>>100907035
Nah, in the ending with all the time skips, Yuuji mentions that she still doesn't get mad that he goes out too late. When it switches to her PoV, she also says as long as he comes home safe, she's happy. This is after he revelation that she actually does love him and isn't doing it out of guilt.

>>100906823
Shirou isn't very smart, and he's one of my favorite characters. Maybe he's not "people die when they're killed"-stupid, but he's definitely one of the more foolish characters of the Type Moon universe.

And it's not even a bad thing: his density and naivety in general is one of his charm points. Along with his terrible sense of fashion and stupid conservative ideals. He's very simple-minded and I love him for it.

>>100907004
Still replying? Just fuck off child. Never said my opinion was objective but no one gives a fuck about your shit taste here, you're in a "grisaia" thread and you don't like the mc, so really, just fucking fuck off, obnoxious cunt.

>>100907108
Being a breath of fresh air doesn't mean it doesn't stick of shit. It's just different shit that makes you feel different because you've been in a room with different kind of shit for so long that you don't recognize the new shit presented to you when you moved room and you think it's fresh air.

Because there's always one or two idiots that do the same in every thread. You're fucking obnoxious because you are writing your bullshit here knowing full well that you don't even like the novel. I'll repeat it again, just fuck off.

>>100906196
What the fuck did you say about my ward you little bitch? I’ll have you know I am the top assassin in Ichigaya, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in guerilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in Japan. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the entire world and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps, JDSF, SAS and Ichigaya and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the earth, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>100907386
G-Senjou is the thing that was grossly overrated.
Everything sucks, except for the Haru ending.
The cases were so stupid I literally put my palm on my faces every time they try to get serious. The the most stupid thing for Maou was his motivation.
Till this day I still never understood who the fuck would rate G-Senjou over 5/10.

>>100907523
She gets more depth to be honest and she's really the only girl who tells Yuuji that his attitude is annoying which is interesting when everyone else just falters whenever Yuuji talks.

Though it varies on how much you like the depth of her character in her route since they bring up some bullshit that makes her interesting but wouldn't possibly exist and then gets retconned in the sequel.

>>100907695
It wouldn't matter anyway because I bet my nut you don't know shit about moon, I'd only be a waste of my time of opening the novel and searching for the sentence just for you to sit there like a idiot and not understand shit.

>>100907697
And yet you keep answering.
Who's more foolish, the fool or the person who keeps responding to the fool saying he's a fool without actually showing how he's a fool?
You ain't got shit and you can just resort to namecalling.

>>100907765
And I should care because?
Again, we're talking about the first vn, if you want to discuss the rest, go ahead, but I'm talking about Yuuji being shit in the first one and until proven otherwise, I'll keep that mentality.

Yuuji was a fun character as long as you aren't an autistic sperglord. Go back to your Key novels with you betamax MCs and be done with it. You clearly dislike this style of VN, so why even bother to post in a thread about it?

>>100907902>I'm fairly sure I can conclude saying that you're wrong and I'm right.
I can play that game of acting like a 8 year old cunt too, I'll say that whatever I write is objective truth just because I say so, so you are a retard because I say so and you're also wrong because I say so.

>>100907607
G-Senjou's problem was that it banked everything on the main route, but couldn't even do the main route properly. Essentially everything you learned before and the clues given out were lies and others like those headaches, were literally put in JUST to be red herrings. As a result, the ending felt like it tried too hard to be emotional to make up for the bullshit it pulled and came off artificial as a result.

The side routes were also all shit as well. I was actually insulted when I 100% it. Fucking looseboy.

>>100908014
I would've liked it better if the character development for Michiru resulted in her acting like a combination of the "Other" Michiru and her regular goofy self. Instead, they split her character so she still acts retarded as usual. This means that aside from her depression and anxiety, which are both gone now, she's a pretty one dimensional gal.

>>100908029>he's good because I said so
He's great in the Common route but a complete dick in the routes. Just because you like that he's not the same typical beta dense shit that you keep reading doesn't make him good.

>>100908046>waaahh stop being a kid>my subjective interpretation is objective because I say so>I can't accept different viewpoints>namecalling
You sure showed me, excuse me while I tell you that Yuuji's a shit and you're subjectively wrong by being objectively wrong.

>>100908222
What? So I can't act like a 8 year old cunt like you are?
You're still objetively wrong because I said you're wrong and that's all there is to it. Got a problem with that? Go cry somewhere else.

How is he a complete dick in the routes? He helped every single girl out in a real way that wasn't just telling them "its gonna be ok" and pandering to the wish fulfillment idea that as long as you show someone affection their problems will go away.

The only points I can really point out as fucking ridiculous are blowing up the school and burying Michiru alive.

>>100908419
Same reason he takes care of Amane, because the story forces him to settle down with a girl at the end. He honestly doesn't give a shit but his trauma or even forces him to stay grounded with one girl rather than be emotionally attached to them.
Makes sense with Makina, Sachi's and Yumiko's route but less so with Micihru's and Amane.

>>100908400>wish fulfillment idea that as long as you show someone affection their problems will go away.
THIS SO MUCH.

This bothers me in 99% of the VNs that I read where the MC just goes>There are people who love you and you have me who loves you and I'll be by your side forever so don't be sad
and suddenly, everything is fixed. Yuuji gets massive respect from me for going to the source of the problem and getting the girls to confront them and slowly become better people. Unlike other MC's, he doesn't go and fix the problems for the other girls, he gets THEM to fix their own problems. Hell, in Amane's case, he acted as emotional and mental support for her so that she could eventually get over her issues.

>>100908014
My theory regarding Michiru's route is that in the event you don't talk to her during the choice that puts you on her route, the Michiru you know dies and the other Michiru replaces her. So basically if you don't do Michiru's route, she dies. The evidence for this is in Michiru's spurts of seemingly higher intellegence in the other girl's routes, and a slight difference in her overall behavior. Of course, I might be wrong about this, but I believe this is the case.

>>100908564
All four are shit, pick your poison.
Sachi is a mixed bag, Makina is decent if you can stand her voice but her route is truly lacking but with a bad end that is pretty shocking and Yumiko is pretty much the same as Makina's route except with less reason and the bad end is hilarious.

>>100908577
I can't say for Michiru since I didn't finish her route, but with Amane it wasn't really forced. It was because she was one of the only people in his life to show him 100% kindness, no questions asked. Even when he found out she had ulterior motives, he realized she loves him for real now and at that point he had fallen for her anyways.

In every other route, he mentions at least once how Amane will forever be a special person (like a sister) to him, which shows how much she means to him.

>>100908591
Yes, bitch slapping people and telling them to fuck off truly with their attitude while giving them the dick is better than a beta.

Amane's solution was simply to bitch slap her and tell her to get the fuck over it and to become his slave until he says so. She's never fixed, even when old. He fixes no one's problem honestly. Makina is still fucked, Sachi to a certain extend, Michiru's bad end is fucked because Yuuji simply doesn't give a shit and ''faked'' his relationship and Yumiko was whatever the fuck he wanted it to be..

>>100908640
That might be true actually, but there is no real evidence for it. However, Michiru did say in her route that she would have no idea what to do once she graduates and is so scared of the possibility of losing her friends that she might go to sleep forever if that happens... which means that she probably 'dies' in every route that isn't hers.

>>100908822
Sounds to me like you didn't even read Amane's route nor my post. The point was that one's problem's can't be 'fixed' that easily in all cases, which is why he resorts to supporting her through her life so she can live normally instead of feeling guilty all the time. If anything, that worked since Old!Amane said that by the end of her life, she didn't really think too much about her PTSD anymore. My point was that it's pretty realistic and better than the other scenario where the MC would show love to the girl and BAM, everything is fixed.

>Michiru's bad end
We're talking about true ends anon.
As for your other complains, they've been addressed in this thread.

>>100909021
Whether she's better or not, I don't know. The event where she would have never met Yuuji, she didn't seem as destructive or broken as the other girls, only when Yuuji came into the picture.

Your complain is less about how better Yuuji is but how the writing is different from what you've read, which isn't a point of merit.
Especially when his solutions aren;t that impressive compared to an MC who shows up and BAM fixes the issue. At best, like I said, he fixed nothing except by bitchslapping his love interest except for Makina and Michiru where he actually showed and cared. Micihru's good end only being possible if he shows sign of affection which doesn't lead to her bad end.

>true route
Uh huh. Sure.

>>100909085
Maybe you missed the whole ''my orders still stand'' on his tombstone or when he went all ''I don't give a shit'' after heading about Amane's flashback and Amane still dweeling that her pain hasn't gone away. I'm damn sure I remember everything about Amane's route correctly.

>>100909493
They should adapt Michiru because she's the most prevalent girl with the jokes in the Common Route and her route is mostly short. Going with the bad end would be hilarious.

I'm probably sure they'll do Amane's route which I'm not sure how they'll do it with all the sex and the kids not doing anything for the whole flashback but that might be done in a single episode since not doing anything doesn't take a lot of time.

>>100909400>she didn't seem as destructive or broken as the other girls
She's not destructive at all and she hides how broken she is pretty well. The point of it, and pretty much all VNs, is that you don't get to know the person's issues until you do their route.

>but how the writing is different from what you've read, which isn't a point of merit.
Why not? Most VNs simplify PTSD and trauma down to very basic values that can be solved by singling out one event or showing someone love. Grisaia was different in that neither of these were really true for most routes.

>Amane>Bitchslapping
Still wrong.

>Michiru
Affection doesn't solve the issue though, which you'd know if you read the route. That's not exactly a point of merit for your argument, sorry.

>>100909974
Her route is about her coming to terms with her PTSD after Yuuji comes back by fucking him with her anxiety, then telling him what's wrong, having a boring flashback with nothing happening, having Yuuji not give a shit then Amane freaking out that she's losing it and then Yuuji bitch slaps her, tells her that she will be his slave for life until he releases her, she complies and lives the rest of her life in semi happiness without having lost her anxiety.

Now tell me where I'm wrong other than at the beginning where Amane isn't that emotionally destructive.

And you'd better have more than ''you're just wrong because I say so''.

>>100910127>Still wrong.
Read her route, he bitch slaps her when she goes apeshit on him.

>Affection doesn't solve the issue though, which you'd know if you read the route. That's not exactly a point of merit for your argument, sorry.

Wow, you really didn't even read any routes, I'm shocked you're the one telling me I didn't read anything.

See Micihru was alone for her whole life, her twin tells Yuuji to take care of her, not to not give a shit and to treat her with respect because she's getting emotionally attached and sees Yuuji as her last hope for a normal life and being a normal girl.

But Yuuji doesn't give a shit and continues his ''pretend boyfriend'' stick and it fucks Michiru.
When the plastic bag goes away, Michiru gets completely depressed and that final action either saves her or kills her, but you're too much on an idiot to figure it out.

The reason Micihru doesn't commit suicide if you kiss her is because for the first time, you show affection towards her that isn't part of the ''fake boyfriend'' routine that she's gotten sick off and wrote that she hated in her diary and the added traume just fucks her along with the fact that nothing seems to be changing in her life except more stupid shit.

Affection, hell, the only affection Yuuji shows in the whole fucking VN, is what saves Michiru.

>>100910138
You're acting like it's the bitchslap that semi-fixes her. I'm saying that that is wrong, it's the fact that he encourages her to live for herself, find her own reason for living, that helps her. He shows her compassion and acts as moral support for her in her brief times of weakness. The combined efforts of him and the family they built up over the years is what lessens her burden (something he explicitly says) to the point that in her final years, she says herself she isn't bothered by the bus accident or her guilt anymore. If what you said was true, in that it was her making him his bitch, that 'fixed' her, she would regress as soon as he died, but we all know that she lived happily with her family or herself for at least another decade.

So yeah, you're wrong and skewing the facts won't change that. It might work on people who haven't read the VN, but you just look stupid otherwise.

>>100910647
No, I never said the bitchslapping fixes her, it's the bitchslapping and telling her she's going to be his slave that ''fixes her'' but actually never does.
She's never encouraged to live for herself.

He never once showed her compassion, hell he even says he doesn't give a shit after hearing about what fucked her up but you think he showed her compassion at her moment of extreme weakness? Are you deluded?

You honestly need to read that ending again, she plainly says her anxiety still remained and never went away. She was never fixed.

>>100910511>The reason Micihru doesn't commit suicide
You claim to have read the VN, but then you go ignore half of her route. I am honestly astounded at how ignorant you are.

After the branch point that determines whether you get the good or bad ending, she STILL commits suicide because of the fact that she STILL feels useless and is SCARED of losing everyone; she still felt that she had NO reason to live on due to her perceived uselessness.

Did you happen to miss the fake funeral where she began to realize that maybe, just MAYBE, she was being selfish in thinking that she was useless and no one would miss her? The ENTIRE point of this latter half of the story is Yuuji trying to get her to come to terms with huge issues involving depression, inferiority complexes, and abandonment in order for her to continue living.

Yes, affection did factor into saving her, I never disagreed, but acting like it was the ONLY thing that mattered couldn't be further from the truth.

>>100910078
The pacing in Amane's route needs huge revisions to be watchable.
I would propose:
-Throw out the h-scenes, obviously, replace them with 1 or 2 short, implied scenes. Keep the part of Amanephotographing herself with Yuuji's junk since that was one of the funniest parts.
-Introduce the crazed father of Amane's dead classmate and make him more of a persistent threat, introducing him and some comrades before the flashback.
-Make the flashback 2 full episodes at most. Focus on Amane's chemistry with Kazuki and their deteriorating state
-Keep in the epilogue.

>>100910860>She's never encouraged to live for herself.
Except for Yuuji stating flat out she needs to stop tying herself to the past and living out of guilt for her dead friends. But of course you missed that part.

>He never once showed her compassion,
A large chunk of the route, and Meikyuu, is about him planning a future with her. Her ending narration was about him gently supporting her throughout married life. I don't know what you were reading, but it wasn't Kajitsu.

>she plainly says her anxiety still remained and never went away.
Exactly, but she also says that they didn't come up nearly as often, nor was she fixated on them like during her route. Once again, Old!Amane says in pretty clear terms that it hasn't bothered her for nearly a decade.

>>100910982>but it was the main cause>All that shit lead her there but it was affection that saved her.

Did you even read my post? She goes right back to 'suicide' even when Yuuji showed her affection. It was the coffin thing that actually saved her your deluded faggot.

This is why I said that Kajitsu is different from other VNs in some routes: it isn't just LOVE that saves someone, but the combined efforts of both parties and a lot of soul-searching for true salvation.

>>100912392
Anyone else have issues with Makina's good end?
I mean they move to Florida. Wouldn't people get suspicious about a teen couple living in a house by the beach baking bread? Add to the fact that Makina doesn't go to school.

>>100918661
So far I've done Amane, Makina and around half of Yumiko. In that order and Makina has had the best route so far but its ending was lackluster compared to Amane's. Except the bad end which tricked me by playing the credits. Fuck you Front Wing.

>>100919003
I figured it was the bad end but then the credits rolled which they didn't in Amane's bad end and was like well shit I guess the best they could hope for was only Yuuji dying. Then Makina started talking and I thought what the shit Yuuji can't be alive, and he wasn't. Spectacular. However that was all ruined in the good end where he was practically as radically injured and he miraculously survives. Pretty silly, feels like they just wanted to cheat me of a good end where Yuuji pumps that bitch's head full of lead.