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Gardiner and 2013 1st for Flyers 2013 1st+?

Why would Toronto do the op original deal? Gardner has already proved he can play in the NHL at a good level. We do not know where Philly picks, or if that prospect will ever play in the NHL. As for Couts, he is WAY overrated on the boards.

If you actually read the OP instead of skimming, you'd see I said if the Flyers 1st is a top 5 pick.
And how is Couturier overrated? I'm genuinely curious. How many Flyers games have you watched the past two years? Does he not have high potential? Do scouts lie? I thought playing well at the NHL level at 18 was pretty impressive, but maybe that's just me.

If you actually read the OP instead of skimming, you'd see I said if the Flyers 1st is a top 5 pick.
And how is Couturier overrated? I'm genuinely curious. How many Flyers games have you watched the past two years? Does he not have high potential? Do scouts lie? I thought playing well at the NHL level at 18 was pretty impressive, but maybe that's just me.

Didn't you know? Most Leaf fans just base their opinions off stats, no need to try actually watching the player

Op deal would be more of a draft day deal, and would depend on how high the pick is.

I wouldn't be opposed to giving up Gardiner and our 1st if we could move into the picking MacKinnon, Drouin, Jones, Barkov range. I think that's a deal that I do, but not until that pick comes up on draft day to make sure we get who we want.

Is the likely value; however, I would rather keep Jake and see what happens.

Gardiner plays a more difficult position, and has higher potential. Couturier is probably more likely to hit potential. Basically, we're looking at a potential top-pairing defenseman vs. a potential 2nd/3rd line shut down player.

Cut out the first from Toronto, and it's a lot more even. Would love to have Couturier replace Grabovski on the checking line. I'm confident Carlyle could make him into a top shut-down player. Still, his lack of offensive skill is a concern.

Gardiner plays a more difficult position, and has higher potential. Couturier is probably more likely to hit potential. Basically, we're looking at a potential top-pairing defenseman vs. a potential 2nd/3rd line shut down player.

Cut out the first from Toronto, and it's a lot more even. Would love to have Couturier replace Grabovski on the checking line. I'm confident Carlyle could make him into a top shut-down player. Still, his lack of offensive skill is a concern.

Is it just me or do the Leafs fans sour very quickly on their anointed future top pairing dmen? Aulie, Schenn, and now maybe Gardiner.

If we could get a solid 2-way centre for something that is now becoming redundant in our system, then we do it. If Gardiner doesn't get traded for a premium position, then he stays. I don't think anybody is souring on him and expecting him to be dealt.

He didn't work well with Phaneuf when he was here and it was tried.
I'd also way rather Grabo over B.Schenn.

This post isn't as hostile as it seems, though.

It wasn't meant to be hostile at all.

I really think luke now that he is maturing would be good with phaneuf. He's a defensive oriented player that is very physical which Carlyle would like and he's right handed and young enough to grow with the leafs current core.

Brayden is gritty and would compliment kessel as he is physical and defensively aware enough to make up for kessel's shortcomings. Kadri would then be left to lead the second line and bozak makes for an excellent third line C with perhaps mcclement shifting to wing to form the basis of a great defensive third line.

Seriously, they would both fit well. I know it wouldn't happen, and the price for both would be exorbitant for the leafs.

Anyhow I don't mean any of this in a hostile manner. Just simple discussion topics

If you actually read the OP instead of skimming, you'd see I said if the Flyers 1st is a top 5 pick.
And how is Couturier overrated? I'm genuinely curious. How many Flyers games have you watched the past two years? Does he not have high potential? Do scouts lie? I thought playing well at the NHL level at 18 was pretty impressive, but maybe that's just me.

I have watched plenty of Flyer games, that is why I made these comments.

Is it just me or do the Leafs fans sour very quickly on their anointed future top pairing dmen? Aulie, Schenn, and now maybe Gardiner.

Aulie wasn't soured on. He was considered redundant with Schenn in the fold, although we hoped he could anchor the second line. Schenn was rushed, in my opinion. Was my favourite player, but with the way he was bombing in his last year here, JVR looked like an attractive replacement. Word has it that he didn't mesh well with the team, either.

I don't think anyone has soured on Gardiner. We hope he'll become a top-pairing guy who can anchor the second-line. Our only issue with him right now is that he's soft and his defensive game is lacking. He could turn out really good or into a Hedican-type player (still good, but more of a second-pairing guy). Really all depends on how his defensive game progresses. If all goes well, Phaneuf, Rielly and Gardiner will make up the top three in a few years. Rielly looks really, really good, though, and may make Gardiner expendable.