Wrasslin' Fan

Punchy wrote:He held the WWE Championship for over a year, how is that not winning more than he lost? And every match he has lost in the last few months (except last night's) was the result of shenanigans.

You're overreacting, Punk is still a top guy.

And will REMAIN a top guy. Batista lost to the Undertaker at WM23. He was STILL a top guy after it.

Wrasslin' Fan

Punchy wrote:He held the WWE Championship for over a year, how is that not winning more than he lost? And every match he has lost in the last few months (except last night's) was the result of shenanigans.

You're overreacting, Punk is still a top guy.

And will REMAIN a top guy. Batista lost to the Undertaker at WM23. He was STILL a top guy after it.

When you're as good as Chael, you can only call out people worse than you.

Wrasslin' Fan

Yes, this is it literally. And I think it's where I have the most trouble understanding, TBH.

I've never made any bones about it: Bryan Danielson is my absolute favorite wrestler. Whether he's a smarmy and sneaky heel or a plucky babyface, I've always thought he was great. So by rights, I more than anyone should have more to complain about regarding his 18-second loss last year. And what did I say at the time?

"I would have liked to have seen the match, and I'll most likely get that opportunity at Extreme Rules or on free TV, but a way to tell the story - this was pretty great."

I mean, it's all fake. Punk's not really going to fight the Undertaker, so the Undertaker isn't really going to beat him up. And if you're genuinely worried that it will harm him - I can assure you more than anything else I have ever said will happen, including me saying since last summer it would be the Rock vs. Cena II at WMNYNJ, Punk will not be harmed in the slightest from this.

Wrasslin' Fan

Yes, this is it literally. And I think it's where I have the most trouble understanding, TBH.

I've never made any bones about it: Bryan Danielson is my absolute favorite wrestler. Whether he's a smarmy and sneaky heel or a plucky babyface, I've always thought he was great. So by rights, I more than anyone should have more to complain about regarding his 18-second loss last year. And what did I say at the time?

"I would have liked to have seen the match, and I'll most likely get that opportunity at Extreme Rules or on free TV, but a way to tell the story - this was pretty great."

I mean, it's all fake. Punk's not really going to fight the Undertaker, so the Undertaker isn't really going to beat him up. And if you're genuinely worried that it will harm him - I can assure you more than anything else I have ever said will happen, including me saying since last summer it would be the Rock vs. Cena II at WMNYNJ, Punk will not be harmed in the slightest from this.

When you're as good as Chael, you can only call out people worse than you.

Wrasslin' Fan

DiBiase? He never really accomplished anything beyond winning the Tag Team belts with IRS. Piper? More comedian than credible threat. Undertaker? Became a face a few months after the incident you mentioned.

I'm talking Ric Flair level c. 1985-1988 level here. He dominated the NWA/WCW with the Four Horsemen with only a couple of brief periods where he didn't have the World Heavyweight Championship.

If you want the company that went out of business, download some torrents. WWF has ALWAYS been about the supermegababyface since Vince took over (and really before that with Sammartino, Morales, and Backlund).

Wrasslin' Fan

DiBiase? He never really accomplished anything beyond winning the Tag Team belts with IRS. Piper? More comedian than credible threat. Undertaker? Became a face a few months after the incident you mentioned.

I'm talking Ric Flair level c. 1985-1988 level here. He dominated the NWA/WCW with the Four Horsemen with only a couple of brief periods where he didn't have the World Heavyweight Championship.

If you want the company that went out of business, download some torrents. WWF has ALWAYS been about the supermegababyface since Vince took over (and really before that with Sammartino, Morales, and Backlund).

When you're as good as Chael, you can only call out people worse than you.

Outhouse Editor

syxxpakk wrote:Yes, this is it literally. And I think it's where I have the most trouble understanding, TBH.

I've never made any bones about it: Bryan Danielson is my absolute favorite wrestler. Whether he's a smarmy and sneaky heel or a plucky babyface, I've always thought he was great. So by rights, I more than anyone should have more to complain about regarding his 18-second loss last year. And what did I say at the time?

"I would have liked to have seen the match, and I'll most likely get that opportunity at Extreme Rules or on free TV, but a way to tell the story - this was pretty great."

I mean, it's all fake. Punk's not really going to fight the Undertaker, so the Undertaker isn't really going to beat him up. And if you're genuinely worried that it will harm him - I can assure you more than anything else I have ever said will happen, including me saying since last summer it would be the Rock vs. Cena II at WMNYNJ, Punk will not be harmed in the slightest from this.

And looking back, that super lame loss is what endeared him to lots of people and started the “yes” craze.

Outhouse Editor

syxxpakk wrote:Yes, this is it literally. And I think it's where I have the most trouble understanding, TBH.

I've never made any bones about it: Bryan Danielson is my absolute favorite wrestler. Whether he's a smarmy and sneaky heel or a plucky babyface, I've always thought he was great. So by rights, I more than anyone should have more to complain about regarding his 18-second loss last year. And what did I say at the time?

"I would have liked to have seen the match, and I'll most likely get that opportunity at Extreme Rules or on free TV, but a way to tell the story - this was pretty great."

I mean, it's all fake. Punk's not really going to fight the Undertaker, so the Undertaker isn't really going to beat him up. And if you're genuinely worried that it will harm him - I can assure you more than anything else I have ever said will happen, including me saying since last summer it would be the Rock vs. Cena II at WMNYNJ, Punk will not be harmed in the slightest from this.

And looking back, that super lame loss is what endeared him to lots of people and started the “yes” craze.

DANG!

syxxpakk wrote:You literally cannot say that because you don't know what the storyline is, how it will play out, etc. You're doing your assumptions again.

Punk will challenge Taker (or vice versa). Taker will play some little mind games with Punk over the next few week. Then he'll beat Punk at WM, then go away for a year.

I don't call that much of a storyline. It's more of a wham-bam, kind of thing. It'll serve to keep Taker's streak going until next year, and lower Punk's credibility as being a dominant force in the WWE and a serious threat to the title. You just can't do that losing three PPV's in a row.

DANG!

syxxpakk wrote:You literally cannot say that because you don't know what the storyline is, how it will play out, etc. You're doing your assumptions again.

Punk will challenge Taker (or vice versa). Taker will play some little mind games with Punk over the next few week. Then he'll beat Punk at WM, then go away for a year.

I don't call that much of a storyline. It's more of a wham-bam, kind of thing. It'll serve to keep Taker's streak going until next year, and lower Punk's credibility as being a dominant force in the WWE and a serious threat to the title. You just can't do that losing three PPV's in a row.

"I have my heroes, but no one knows their names"- Sons of the Desert

Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."

DANG!

syxxpakk wrote:And will REMAIN a top guy. Batista lost to the Undertaker at WM23. He was STILL a top guy after it.

He wasn't a heel for much longer after that, either.

"I have my heroes, but no one knows their names"- Sons of the Desert

Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."

Rain Partier

kingbeavis wrote:How did 6 weeks of a build to a match become not enough? How often are WM matches, outside of the main event, built with a months long feud? I think it is irrational to expect every match to have a similar build as Rock/Cena.

Is this just "CM Punk is my favorite so he should have the bestest spot on the card every time ever"?

Thing is there won't be 6 weeks of build for Punk vs Taker, if Taker makes his return next week on RAW 3-4-13 and WM29 is on 4-7-13 that would give 5 episodes of RAW (including next weeks) for this feud to work with. That is a bullshit, thrown together at the last minute thing if I have ever heard of one. Punk and Jericho were feuding for months before their match at WM last year. HHH and HBK both feuded with Taker for months before they faced each other at WM. A match of this magnitude needs more to it, than here's the Taker back to have another match to pad the streak and Punk just plays the cheesy stupid heel that will ultimately lose. I have no interest in seeing that.

Rain Partier

kingbeavis wrote:How did 6 weeks of a build to a match become not enough? How often are WM matches, outside of the main event, built with a months long feud? I think it is irrational to expect every match to have a similar build as Rock/Cena.

Is this just "CM Punk is my favorite so he should have the bestest spot on the card every time ever"?

Thing is there won't be 6 weeks of build for Punk vs Taker, if Taker makes his return next week on RAW 3-4-13 and WM29 is on 4-7-13 that would give 5 episodes of RAW (including next weeks) for this feud to work with. That is a bullshit, thrown together at the last minute thing if I have ever heard of one. Punk and Jericho were feuding for months before their match at WM last year. HHH and HBK both feuded with Taker for months before they faced each other at WM. A match of this magnitude needs more to it, than here's the Taker back to have another match to pad the streak and Punk just plays the cheesy stupid heel that will ultimately lose. I have no interest in seeing that.

Rain Partier

misac wrote:I've tapped out on the Punk conversation. Clearly his career is doomed and he’ll be future endeavored by Summer Slam.

I am too mostly because no one seems to be paying attention to what I am say about it anyways. I don't agree with Juan Cena that Punk losing to Taker or anyone else is going to kill his career or anything like that. He's a heel and he is supposed to lose. I am a big fan of his and I hate to seem him lose, not gonna lie about that but thats what wrestlers do, they win some they lose some. I don't like the fact that he is not in the main event wrestling for the belt and is instead assumingly wrestling the Undertaker in a match that is going to be put together just a month before the event. I have loved the Takers last 4 matches at Mania and I am sure he Punk will try and deliver a match better than all of those, and I honestly hope they do. I just think that the feud they had going between Punk/Cena/Rock would be the better way to go for a huge WM Main Event than Punk just suddenly getting into a match with Taker.

Rain Partier

misac wrote:I've tapped out on the Punk conversation. Clearly his career is doomed and he’ll be future endeavored by Summer Slam.

I am too mostly because no one seems to be paying attention to what I am say about it anyways. I don't agree with Juan Cena that Punk losing to Taker or anyone else is going to kill his career or anything like that. He's a heel and he is supposed to lose. I am a big fan of his and I hate to seem him lose, not gonna lie about that but thats what wrestlers do, they win some they lose some. I don't like the fact that he is not in the main event wrestling for the belt and is instead assumingly wrestling the Undertaker in a match that is going to be put together just a month before the event. I have loved the Takers last 4 matches at Mania and I am sure he Punk will try and deliver a match better than all of those, and I honestly hope they do. I just think that the feud they had going between Punk/Cena/Rock would be the better way to go for a huge WM Main Event than Punk just suddenly getting into a match with Taker.