I farking despise people who bring their kids to the bar. And no a sports bar that might serve burgers is not an appropriate place for kids, either. Lost count how many confrontations I've gotten into because stupid people think a drinking establishment is an ok place for kids.

//No, I'm sure my alcoholic dad taking me to the bar as a kid probably has nothing to do with my strong feelings on the matter.

Ow! That was my feelings!:I farking despise people who bring their kids to the bar. And no a sports bar that might serve burgers is not an appropriate place for kids, either. Lost count how many confrontations I've gotten into because stupid people think a drinking establishment is an ok place for kids.

//No, I'm sure my alcoholic dad taking me to the bar as a kid probably has nothing to do with my strong feelings on the matter.

God, the amount of farking busy bodies in this country is just staggering. That being said I already don't like small children being in bars or restaurants. But to call the cops over 3 shot glasses of beer?

Gonna have to agree with you but I also think there is cause for concern considering she is taking the kid to a bar and this:

Kinnear acknowledged that "about once or twice a week she drinks wine at her home" and allows her son "to have some."

No I have let my kids sip my wine but it only took once before they decided it was the nastiest grape juice they ever had and didn't ask again. If she says "a couple times a week" you can be sure it is every damn day. The kid has it so much he acquired a taste for it?

The Southern Logic Company:Ow! That was my feelings!: I farking despise people who bring their kids to the bar. And no a sports bar that might serve burgers is not an appropriate place for kids, either. Lost count how many confrontations I've gotten into because stupid people think a drinking establishment is an ok place for kids.

//No, I'm sure my alcoholic dad taking me to the bar as a kid probably has nothing to do with my strong feelings on the matter.

To be fair, McHales has a kids menu.

It is a restaurant that happens to serve booze, fine. I've just too often witnessed kids in a real bar.

Ow! That was my feelings!:The Southern Logic Company: Ow! That was my feelings!: I farking despise people who bring their kids to the bar. And no a sports bar that might serve burgers is not an appropriate place for kids, either. Lost count how many confrontations I've gotten into because stupid people think a drinking establishment is an ok place for kids.

//No, I'm sure my alcoholic dad taking me to the bar as a kid probably has nothing to do with my strong feelings on the matter.

To be fair, McHales has a kids menu.

It is If it's a restaurant that happens to serve booze, fine. I've just too often witnessed kids in a real bar.

Ow! That was my feelings!:I farking despise people who bring their kids to the bar. And no a sports bar that might serve burgers is not an appropriate place for kids, either. Lost count how many confrontations I've gotten into because stupid people think a drinking establishment is an ok place for kids.

//No, I'm sure my alcoholic dad taking me to the bar as a kid probably has nothing to do with my strong feelings on the matter.

Stay the hell out of Wisconsin. You can bring your 18 y/o kid with you to the bar, and as long as they can prove the adults are his/her parents the kid can drink. Plus they're pretty serious about their drinking./i just don't want to see you get hurt in all those confrontations you might get in.

In Ohio it's legal for you to serve your own child alcohol even in a pub. The server can't serve the child but they can serve you and you can in turn serve your child. Of course age 4 and 3 'shot glasses' (three ounces?) is pretty far out there, even for European standards and I could see child negligence charges, as were brought up in this case. The child's testimony shouldn't be admissible, and I am suspect of the bystanders assessment of how much he drank.

Ow! That was my feelings!:I farking despise people who bring their kids to the bar. And no a sports bar that might serve burgers is not an appropriate place for kids, either. Lost count how many confrontations I've gotten into because stupid people think a drinking establishment is an ok place for kids.

//No, I'm sure my alcoholic dad taking me to the bar as a kid probably has nothing to do with my strong feelings on the matter.

F-U

Seriously just because your dad was a drunk doesn't mean bonding with the old man and his pals at a sports bar is a bad thing. Showing kids how to responsibly use alcohol is the key. I'm guessing your dad being a drunk wasn't really concerned with you, you were just there.

LeroyBourne:Stay the hell out of Wisconsin. You can bring your 18 y/o kid with you to the bar, and as long as they can prove the adults are his/her parents the kid can drink. Plus they're pretty serious about their drinking.

That is in a classy area, I live right around the corner. I've been there a couple times and there are some interesting clientele. Their beer selection is pretty good, but I doubt it was craft beer the kid was drinking.

kindms:Ow! That was my feelings!: I farking despise people who bring their kids to the bar. And no a sports bar that might serve burgers is not an appropriate place for kids, either. Lost count how many confrontations I've gotten into because stupid people think a drinking establishment is an ok place for kids.

//No, I'm sure my alcoholic dad taking me to the bar as a kid probably has nothing to do with my strong feelings on the matter.

F-U

Seriously just because your dad was a drunk doesn't mean bonding with the old man and his pals at a sports bar is a bad thing. Showing kids how to responsibly use alcohol is the key. I'm guessing your dad being a drunk wasn't really concerned with you, you were just there.

I'm not talking about someone taking their 18yr old "kid" to the bar. I'm talking about people taking their 8 year old to the bar. Not a restaurant, a BAR.

kindms:Ow! That was my feelings!: I farking despise people who bring their kids to the bar. And no a sports bar that might serve burgers is not an appropriate place for kids, either. Lost count how many confrontations I've gotten into because stupid people think a drinking establishment is an ok place for kids.

//No, I'm sure my alcoholic dad taking me to the bar as a kid probably has nothing to do with my strong feelings on the matter.

F-U

Seriously just because your dad was a drunk doesn't mean bonding with the old man and his pals at a sports bar is a bad thing. Showing kids how to responsibly use alcohol is the key. I'm guessing your dad being a drunk wasn't really concerned with you, you were just there.

exactly, every dad who brings a kid into a bar isn't doing what your dad did.

Having eaten at this establishment... I'd say they should be more worried about the fact they were EATING at mchales. also note: just because you paint shamrocks and clovers on a really crappy resturant, it's doesnt magically make it an Irish bar , or good.

Ok..... I must admit that I laughed at some of the really sick comments posted in this thread....

But I really hope nobody is truly defending giving a 4 YEAR OLD a shot of beer (THREE shots according to the article). If your kid is 7 or eight and you want to show them that alcohol is a drink for when they get older? Give them a shot... I'm ok with that... They are old enough to decide if they want another.

But a 4 year old? That's child abuse. The should take her kid away from her. She's clearly a drunk who wants the kid to sleep through the night so she's not bothered as she's sleeping her bender off.

snarfyboy:LeroyBourne: Stay the hell out of Wisconsin. You can bring your 18 y/o kid with you to the bar, and as long as they can prove the adults are his/her parents the kid can drink.

Doesn't have to be 18. In fact I don't know if there is even is a minimum age. What that women was doing may well be legal here.

Yeah, I didn't feel like looking up the facts, but I recall seeing this girl and her parents at this bar and grill and they were all blasted. Very classy. My cousin is from WI, and I'm from MN, he knew her and iirc(this was a long time ago) she was 16.

My dad used to love telling this story. Now, my dad was an alcoholic sonofabiatch, but he was a good time guy, and there is no way I can tell this story as well as he could, so I'll paraphrase.

When I was 3, I was pestering my dad for some of his vodka on the rocks.

"Dink, daddy, dink!" I kept saying.

Apparently, this kept going on and on, so he had the notion that if he gave me a sip, I'd revile and leave him alone.

So, he gives me the glass, and I take a sip. Moments later, my eyes widen, I smile, and proceed to try to toss back the whole kit and kaboodle. Dad grabs for the glass, and it spills, showering me in a shower of ice and vokak.