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"Beach Runner" <> wrote in message
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> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
> and package.
>
> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>
> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
>
my last few deals with individuals went bad (failure to pay, non US bidders
bidding when excluded, failure to ship)

the rating system encourages false high ratings out of fear of a retaliation
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? "Beach Runner" <> ?????? ??? ??????
news:...
> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
> and package.
>
> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>
> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
>
Yeah, much better get a *cheaper* camera (but brand-new)than some camera
that someone else for some reasons doesn't want anymore.Here, they say you
shouldn't buy a pig in a bag, but check it first.(Off topic-almost every
week I dream I have switched back on film and got back my relic SLR-Nikon
FM-2 complete with a russian (soviet?)flash, 24mm 2.5 Tamron, 50mm 1.4
Nikkor,70-210 sigma, which I have given away, and the person who gives it
back to me tells'Go and get your darkroom equipment back, don't be a fool,
film's better'I decided after waking up that I will get a photo-inkjet
printer as soon as I have the money).

"Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <> wrote in message
news:e9qhql$4vd$...
>
> ? "Beach Runner" <> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:...
>> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
>> and package.
>>
>> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>>
>> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
>>
> Yeah, much better get a *cheaper* camera (but brand-new)than some camera
> that someone else for some reasons doesn't want anymore.Here, they say you
> shouldn't buy a pig in a bag, but check it first.(Off topic-almost every
> week I dream I have switched back on film and got back my relic SLR-Nikon
> FM-2 complete with a russian (soviet?)flash, 24mm 2.5 Tamron, 50mm 1.4
> Nikkor,70-210 sigma, which I have given away, and the person who gives it
> back to me tells'Go and get your darkroom equipment back, don't be a fool,
> film's better'I decided after waking up that I will get a photo-inkjet
> printer as soon as I have the money).
>
>
> --
> Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> major in electrical engineering,freelance electrician
> 542nd mechanized infantry batallion
> dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
>
>

"woops" <> wrote in message news:...
>
> "Beach Runner" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
> > and package.
> >
> > They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
> >
> > I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
> >
> my last few deals with individuals went bad (failure to pay, non US bidders
> bidding when excluded, failure to ship)
>
> the rating system encourages false high ratings out of fear of a retaliation
> negative

Exactly. Most of eBay's policies are skewed in sellers favor.
After all, eBay receives 95% of their revenue from sellers.
And let's not even go into Paypal, with their useless "buyer
protection".

The previous advice is good: you'll get real deals far more
often from private parties. And avoid "power sellers".

Beach Runner wrote:
> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
> and package.
>
> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>
> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"

I won't spend more than $100 on eBay. I limit my purchases to
things like memory cards and batteries. That way I'll never get
badly stung.

Most of my big ticket purchases are at local dealers. It costs
a bit more than ordering from abroad off the net, but provides more
peace of mind.

"Jim Townsend" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Beach Runner wrote:
>
>> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
>> and package.
>>
>> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>>
>> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
>
>
> I won't spend more than $100 on eBay. I limit my purchases to
> things like memory cards and batteries. That way I'll never get
> badly stung.
>
> Most of my big ticket purchases are at local dealers. It costs
> a bit more than ordering from abroad off the net, but provides more
> peace of mind.
>
>

One really needs to use an escrow service if the loss of one's money is
significant.

I agree with the spending cap. I have rarely spent more than $100 on any
transaction.

It is also important to use PayPal, rather than give out your credit card
number directly to the seller. One cannot know what the seller might do
with that information--especially if he gets the 3-digit security code that
can be found in the signature area. Too much risk of identity theft.

Its not all that difficult to avoid the scams if you use your brain. Turn it
off for a second though and you can get taken very quickly. Just remember
the adage about the fool and his money and don't be one.

Eric Miller

"Beach Runner" <> wrote in message
news:...
> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
> and package.
>
> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>
> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
>

woops wrote:
>
> "Beach Runner" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
>> and package.
>>
>> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>>
>> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
>>
> my last few deals with individuals went bad (failure to pay, non US
> bidders bidding when excluded, failure to ship)
>
> the rating system encourages false high ratings out of fear of a
> retaliation negative

Blame some of that on PayPain. Went to buy something today, found out my
account is frozen because I didn't accept some user agreement or other
within 30 days, and they don't give me any way to accept the user agreement
other than to email them and wait "up to 30 days for resolution". Why is
it that _every_ _single_ time I try to use that crummy service there's some
kind of hassle? Last time it wouldn't take the same credit card that B&H
takes with no trouble at all and I ended up having to transfer funds into a
Paypal account, which funds are now frozen until they get done with their
autoproctological exercise.

In article <>, Helen
<> writes
>
>"Beach Runner" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
>> and package.
>>
>
>And did they answer you?
>
>
>> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>>
>> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
>>
>
>I wouldn't buy a drink of water via ebay. I suspect 95% of its sellers to
>be ripoff artists.
>
I understand the need to be careful, but this is rather a gloomy view -
and one which will cause you to lose a potential good source for certain
types of item.

I have about 150 purchases, and had very few unsatisfactory items. One
or two were through my failure to check condition before buying
(inexperience), were replaced or refunded promptly and without quibble.
None were what I would call a "rip-off".

Mostly these were second-hand microscope accessories, with a fair
sprinkling of photo items, books and other stuff. Mixture of private,
internet regular traders and conventional traders with premises; no
particular difference between them.

Yes, if you hope to buy a current or near-current item for much less
than the going rate, from a seller in Outer Mongolia, who only accepts
payment by Western Union order, then you are going to get reamed out,
and serve you right. Otherwise, watch for the regulars, do one or two
deals with them, and get to feel comfortable.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:35:19 -0500, "Eric Miller"
<> wrote:
>Its not all that difficult to avoid the scams if you use your brain. Turn it
>off for a second though and you can get taken very quickly. Just remember
>the adage about the fool and his money and don't be one.
>
>Eric Miller
>
>"Beach Runner" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
>> and package.
>>
>> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>>
>> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
>>
>
Amazon.com have a decent buying/selling system.
They take a commission, if you sell, they credit your bank
account with the money from the buyer's credit card.
Have both sold and bought that way with good results.
You do get the African missionary type scam answering
the ads but they won't use Amazon.com means of paying
so they are easy to spot, and Amazon gives a warning
along with the forwarded e-mail.

Beach Runner <> wrote:
> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
> and package.
>
> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>
> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
>

It seems that PowerSellers are driving away the root business of users like
you and me that sell things we have on an individual basis. So, Ebay is
increasing the rates for stores and other similar types. I am curious how
this will play out.

Jim Townsend <> wrote:
> Beach Runner wrote:
>
>> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
>> and package.
>>
>> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>>
>> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"
>
>
> I won't spend more than $100 on eBay. I limit my purchases to
> things like memory cards and batteries. That way I'll never get
> badly stung.
>
> Most of my big ticket purchases are at local dealers. It costs
> a bit more than ordering from abroad off the net, but provides more
> peace of mind.
>
>

I purchased and sold MANY things on Ebay and have yet to be stung. The key is
not to bid without paying attention to feedback and payment methods, etc. I
often go through several of the previous auctions from a seller and I always
pay attention to how long they have been an Ebay member. There are hijackers
out there that send emails to get login information and I have to believe they
succeed ... so checking out a sellers history carefully is time well spent.

"J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Blame some of that on PayPain. Went to buy something today, found out my
> account is frozen because I didn't accept some user agreement or other
> within 30 days, and they don't give me any way to accept the user
> agreement
> other than to email them and wait "up to 30 days for resolution". Why is
> it that _every_ _single_ time I try to use that crummy service there's
> some
> kind of hassle?

They have the monopoly on auction payment systems. Their major advantage is
that we do not have to give our checking account or credit card information
directly to the seller, and there is much protection in that.

PayPal has suspended my account several times, claiming that someone was
trying to tamper with it. How could anyone but me even know my PayPal login
information? They're a pain in the butt, but we have no choice right now.
I would never turn over my financial info to some unknown seller that
operates under a screen name. But I agree with you that using PayPal is
often a frustrating experience.

jeremy wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>> Blame some of that on PayPain. Went to buy something today, found
>> out my account is frozen because I didn't accept some user
>> agreement
>> or other within 30 days, and they don't give me any way to accept
>> the user agreement
>> other than to email them and wait "up to 30 days for resolution".
>> Why is it that _every_ _single_ time I try to use that crummy
>> service there's some
>> kind of hassle?
>
> They have the monopoly on auction payment systems. Their major
> advantage is that we do not have to give our checking account or
> credit card information directly to the seller, and there is much
> protection in that.
> PayPal has suspended my account several times, claiming that someone
> was trying to tamper with it. How could anyone but me even know my
> PayPal login information? They're a pain in the butt, but we have
> no
> choice right now. I would never turn over my financial info to some
> unknown seller that operates under a screen name. But I agree with
> you that using PayPal is often a frustrating experience.

I've been using PayPal for quite some time and in many, many
transactions, but never had it suspended; I do, however, receive a
dozen "spoof" emails a week, phishing for the useful login
information.

It's the 30-days waiting for resolution that scares me. Even if
whatever it is is resolved in your favor, frozen is frozen, and might
cripple essential activities, if a separate account isn't isolated
beforehand.

Frank ess wrote:
> jeremy wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>
>>> Blame some of that on PayPain. Went to buy something today, found
>>> out my account is frozen because I didn't accept some user
>>> agreement
>>> or other within 30 days, and they don't give me any way to accept
>>> the user agreement
>>> other than to email them and wait "up to 30 days for resolution".
>>> Why is it that _every_ _single_ time I try to use that crummy
>>> service there's some
>>> kind of hassle?
>>
>> They have the monopoly on auction payment systems. Their major
>> advantage is that we do not have to give our checking account or
>> credit card information directly to the seller, and there is much
>> protection in that.
>> PayPal has suspended my account several times, claiming that someone
>> was trying to tamper with it. How could anyone but me even know my
>> PayPal login information? They're a pain in the butt, but we have
>> no
>> choice right now. I would never turn over my financial info to some
>> unknown seller that operates under a screen name. But I agree with
>> you that using PayPal is often a frustrating experience.
>
> I've been using PayPal for quite some time and in many, many
> transactions, but never had it suspended; I do, however, receive a
> dozen "spoof" emails a week, phishing for the useful login
> information.
>
> It's the 30-days waiting for resolution that scares me. Even if
> whatever it is is resolved in your favor, frozen is frozen, and might
> cripple essential activities, if a separate account isn't isolated
> beforehand.

Yeah, that's the big problem--I'm either going to have to send the guy a
check or cancel the transaction. If they want me to click through some
agreement or other they can at least have the decency to provide the
click-through button.

Frank ess wrote:
> I've been using PayPal for quite some time and in many, many
> transactions, but never had it suspended; I do, however, receive a
> dozen "spoof" emails a week, phishing for the useful login
> information.

I can't imagine and legitimate and honest seller getting their PayPal
account locked. It just never happens.

Beach Runner wrote:
> recently ordered a Canon SD700. Asked if it was the American version
> and package.
>
> They sent me a foreign version minus all parts.
>
> I will deal with individuals, but no more "Power sellers"

This problem was created by the utmost stupidity of the buyer, you. First
off, you never buy from any other dealer than Cameta on eBay. Secondly, you
*NEVER* pay for any on-line transaction with anything other than a CC or a
CC funded PayPal payment. And lastly, you always research your purchase and
the seller you plan to do business with. This whole fiasco was caused by
your laziness and unwillingness to properly research your purchase.

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