The neutrality would help thugs of china to have their ways in the region. Asians are looking at how trust worthy the US will be. Our response to this crisis will largely define the future of the region.

10:58 pm September 18, 2012

Anonymous wrote:

Robert,
You don't seem to know this whole Diaoyu issues. The islands were annexed by Japan and supposed to return back to China after the war. But the US decided to return the island back to Japan against Cairo declaration in 1972,

11:57 pm September 18, 2012

don't have to argue with extremists wrote:

it's a matter of history, international law, and overall power

12:16 am September 19, 2012

@Anonymous wrote:

You don't seem to know about the history of the region. These islands were Terra Nullius. The closest thing to have ever controlled this place was the Ryuku Kingdrom which had a suzerainity relationship to China, not sovereignity. Coz as far i know there cant be an emperor and a king at the same time in the same country.

12:19 am September 19, 2012

Cleo wrote:

Nine Dragon is code for the Emperor.

Kowloon

Ryukyu

12:24 am September 19, 2012

@Cleo wrote:

Where do you see 9 in the name of RyuKyu?

12:27 am September 19, 2012

Ryukyu wrote:

Has been controlled by the Sho dynasty for 4 centuries.
I dont think a chinese emperor can tolerate anoter emperor or king on its own territory.
No sovereignity, only tributary relationship in the specific case.

End of story.

12:59 am September 19, 2012

Cleo wrote:

You don't see the homynym word play? It's basic Japanese pronounciation if Dragon and Nine and spelled that way in romaji - sometimes, I don't think the Japanese see the story in their "own" language. What is going on over there? Haha.

You know how Akihito consults CHINESE language experts before they name anything like Hisahito? Well, who okayed Aiko because that sounds like AIDS in Cantonese and who named FUK U SHIMA because we can all see what that looks like in English. When every one HATES you, you should probably bear that in mind before you carve anything in stone or as in the case of transferring Ryukyu to Japan under duress - the absence of the King's chop.

1:03 am September 19, 2012

Cleo wrote:

It took my father Five YEARS before he gave me an English name, I remember my parents going over all the ways Cantonese could mock this name or that one.

1:05 am September 19, 2012

@Cleo wrote:

Being from HK i can see. But Kowloon is about eight mountains, not nine. You should know why.

1:10 am September 19, 2012

@Cleo wrote:

Ryukyu was not transfered to Japan, Japan invaded it in 1609.
After 1609, The Ryūkyū Kingdom found itself in a period of "dual subordination" to Japan and China, wherein Ryūkyūan tributary relations were maintained with both the Tokugawa shogunate and the Ming Chinese court.

In 1872, the Japanese tributary kingdom was reconfigured as the Ryūkyū Province. The Ryūkyū kingdom was made part of Japan as the Ryūkyū han. At the same time, the fiction of independence was maintained for diplomatic reasons

1:12 am September 19, 2012

east wind rain wrote:

This dispute is between the ROC and Japan. The PRC commies have no business claiming these islands whatsoever - even in the condition they should have been returned to the ROC after the war. The Chinese are emotionally making stupid decisions based purely on "face" and painting themselves into a corner with their arrogance. They are clearly testing Washington as if they invade Senkaku they invade Japan which the US will protect or if they invade Diaoyu they are attacking Taiwan which ALSO the US will protect.

What China is doing is integrity suicide, nobody will respect or trust China for many years after this incident. If China has a valid complaint regarding ownership it should ask Taiwan to take Japan to court.

1:17 am September 19, 2012

@east wind rain wrote:

I agree its complete suicide. However there is a lot of propaganda and BS behind this.

The CCP is distracting people from the power struggles at play at the moment, the economic woes, and Wang Lijun's trial.

2:01 am September 19, 2012

Cleo wrote:

The Chinese far far away in a Southern backwater will honestly gladly bring out their personal best supply of food to contribute to a poon sai for our young Emperor fleeing the Mongolians. Because we love the Emperor because we love China - it's not a cult of personality, love of country is love of home and family.

Contesting Leodo Island... on top of rows with Philippines, Japan, Vietnam.... wow, the list is showing who is the bully.

7:10 am September 19, 2012

Robert Kan wrote:

China seems to claim their territory by using scant evidences to show that the region was once under their influence, regardless of distinct culture, races, etc. The argument is being used for Tibet. Then, they claim that they have been a peaceful power which have never invaded other countries. "China" as it is now is the result of past invasion.

If US cannot see the problem as Japaneses, Philippinos, Vietnumeses, Tibetans, etc., what does re-engagement of US mean?

7:37 am September 19, 2012

Longest Continuous Civilization wrote:

@Robert Kan
You are pretty clueless about the basis of Chinese history. The Chinese have one of the oldest and the most comprehensive records and narrative of past events in great details. Most countries in east Asia and in the world use historic Chinese sources for references.

8:33 am September 19, 2012

Robert Kan wrote:

@ Longest Continuous Civilization

The longest or not is not the issue here. As a power in the continent, China has assimilated regions around the center to become as it is now. But this does not mean that China can assimilate neighbors for ever, when it encounters other entities with different identities with long histories such as Tibet, Ryukyuu, Korea, Vietnum, Russia, or other strong minorities with distinct culture and tradition etc., you should not claim that they be assimilated since they are simply next to you. Your claim becomes the one of bullies.

10:06 am September 19, 2012

OODA loop STAT wrote:

@ Robert Kan,

I gathered you are an American and suggesting that the Chinese should have genocided all their neighboers instead of assimilating them, like what you guys did to the native Americans.

11:05 am September 19, 2012

CA @ Robert wrote:

Agree with OODA loop STAT. 5 million Native Americans were killed by White Americans. Visit museums in St. Louis and you will be reminded. Also Chinese's assimilation is much better than what white American gov did to Native American.
--

11:51 am September 19, 2012

CA@ Robert re-engagement of US in Asia wrote:

I think the island dispute largely comes from re-engagement of US in Asia. In order to weak China, US is supporting the counties around China to create problems for China. What American will do if China engage in US back yard, and support US neighbor to dispute the land with US. My old office-mate who is from Mexico think California is belong to Mexico. Should China Sectary of state visit Mexico to remind them that?

You missed the point and changed the topic. The discussion seems too naive.

My point is that the concept of nation/state of #China# have evolved through your long history. There were no clear distinction between #China# and the neighbors. As a nation, it has gradually evolved and spreaded by the move and mixing of population. Sometimes the integration of more were drastic by invasion and assimilation of Mongolians, Manchus, etc. As a result, the current state/nation of China emerged. So the process is very different from what you describe as #China# assimilating the neighbours..

We American (or European colonizers) were basically maritime powers. So we (Spanish, British, French, etc.) went to lands of aliens, fought against, and killed them.

I do not defend what our ancestors did. My point is that the way of the nation/state of #China# has evolved is very different from other colonial powers, and that the Chinese way of expansion cannot be tolerate in the modern age. We live now, not in the medieval age.

11:02 pm September 19, 2012

Robert Kan wrote:

CA @ Robert

Please note that Mao and the leadership of CCP were responsible for more than 30 to 60 million early death during the period of Great Leap Forward only (the number of death were estimated by several independent researchers -- See Mao' Great Famine by Frank Dikotter), which was followed by Cultural revolution....

2:00 am September 20, 2012

Anonymous wrote:

don't nobody see that it was the US that instigated this? now they are saying the are being dragged into it unwillingly

9:03 am September 20, 2012

CA @ Robert wrote:

Part of death might from US ennomic saction too. Now China is just getting better and US can not stand it already. US re-engagement in Asia not only create problem for China, also create problem for other asia counties and US itself. .
.

8:54 pm September 20, 2012

Robert Kan wrote:

CA @ Robert

Do not be ridiculous.

No economic sanction. Check the history of your country, though I understand that it is not easy to know such basic facts in China. CCP completely faked the mordern history of China.

This is the real cause of tragedy of China.

10:45 am September 21, 2012

CA@Robert wrote:

Tragedy of China started with 1840 Opium war by British and following wars by west powers and Japanese. That is why Chinese know if you are weak, you will get kicked or killed. And that is why Chinese work hard to get themselves stronger so the the tragedy would not happen again. In another words: self protection.

Regarding CCP, they lead Chinese resist to Japanese while government army fought Japanese, which help draw the Japanese army in China so they can not fight American. American need give credit to them for that.

CCP lead Chinese fought Korean war which is bloody because Chinese weapon is very back ward compare with UN army. But it is first time in 100 years Chinese army stop the international power before invade their home. Although American can not forgive Chinese for Korean War, but think about it, UN army lead by American were in China's back yard with American general want to cross the river to enter China. What China should do, let it in or fought back?

CCP went wrong direction with the great leap and culture revolution and caused Chinese suffer, but international community leaded by American isolated China, is partly responsible for Chinese suffering too.

After cultural resolution, CCP learned from its mistake and lead China getting better and better. Chinese living standard went up and now become world 2nd economy. 25% world population get better life as today is big accomplishment!

I understand there are corruptions in CCP and hope they are better, but who can replace CCP in current China without chaos in China ?

I hope American as great Country, should be happy for China's economic success since 25% of world population get better live. Also, American should not blame China for it own economic problem since this is result of market economy. Does American support market economy? Does American do not like CCP for it did not support market economy?

Now CCP is leading China to market economy, why American still do not like it?

what I saw recently is American sectary of state visited China's neighbors and now all the neighbors starting have island dispute with China. Is American do not like CCP or simply do not like Chinese?

7:53 am September 22, 2012

releasechinese wrote:

Despite all the reports about Chinese demonstrations, not One Japanese has been arrested or hurt anywhere in China.
Yet, Japan arrested and detained Chinese fisheman again.
Japan is quietly violent just like its torture chamber in China unit 731.
Japanese forced Chinese to breath in anthrax to see how humans react to the posion.
CHINA MUST OBTAINE THE RELEASE OF CHINESE FISHMAN.

7:55 am September 22, 2012

WHY? wrote:

China should immediately cut off all supplies of rare metals to Japan.

7:56 am September 22, 2012

shocking wrote:

Penatta shoudl as Japan to stop its aggression.

7:58 am September 22, 2012

nogapingwounds wrote:

How can China let all the whilte cloth with gaping wounds on them fly on Chinese land?

5:17 pm September 22, 2012

Chinaexpertspeaks wrote:

American china expert with the Brookiins institue finally spoke.
He said Japan has broken its promise to china to shelf the Diaoyu islands problems by buying and nationalizing the Chinese islands.
Obama team should have listened to the experts first before hinting America may be involved in conflcit between China an d Japan.
I hope Panatta's promise of neutrality is the final word from America.
If America really wants to do the right thing, it should help China to stop Japanese aggression.

5:26 pm September 22, 2012

nochange wrote:

ANYONE IN HIS RIGHT MIND SHOULD NEVER EXPECT JAPAN TO KEEP ITS PROMISE.
JAPANESE PROMISE IS JUST A PRELUDE TO BIG DECEIPT AND DISASTER.
WHEN THE HELL WILL CHINA AND THE WORLD LEARN AND FACE THE TRUTH ABOUT JAPAN?
JUST AS THE POOR DOLPHINS, WHCIH JAPAN SAID IT WOULD NOT SLAUGHTER ANYMORE WHIETHESLAUGHTER GOES ON .
AMERICAN HAS TO HIDE A CAMERA IN A FAKE ROCK TO PROVE JAPANESE LIE THAT DOLPHINS ARE NOT SPEARED TO DEATH ANYMORE.
JAPAN TRICKED A LOT NATIONS TO LIFT WHALING BAN AS JAPAN SAID THAT IT NEED THE WHALES FOR SCIENTIFIC RESEACH.
BBC REPORTS THE WHALES HAVE GOT INTO JAPANESE BELLIES IN THE FORM OF HAMBURGERS.

5:30 pm September 22, 2012

don'tbefooledchina wrote:

When the hell will China learn not to talk but to sharper the weapons when dealing with Japan?
China is a real slow learner. After hundreds of years of being victimized by Japan, she still believes Japan will keep its promise.
Someone never learns.

5:24 am September 23, 2012

Short memory wrote:

Japan. is betting on China's short memory and waiting for the Chinese to load up the Japanese goods soon.
Lu Shun, the great Chinese author said "Chinese has no soul and behave like losse sand.
Just look now.
How can Taiwan and China not unite to chase Japanese aggression our of China now/
Lu shun is is still so right about the Chinese.
Wonder why Japan and its allies are lsnickering at us?

3:07 am May 14, 2014

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