Rifle Capable of Taking Down a Helicopter, Found in El Chapo’s House – Guess Who Gave it to Him

Washington, D.C. – In the wake of the successful recapture of Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, Mexican authorities discovered a .50-caliber rifle in Guzman’s safehouse that was subsequently traced back to an infamous U.S. gun-smuggling operation know as ‘Fast and Furious.’

Guzman had .50-caliber rifles perched on hilltops, with guardsmen instructed to shoot down any Mexican police helicopters flying into the valleys to conduct raids, federal officials told Fox News.

After the raid on Jan. 8 in the city of Los Mochis that killed five of his men and wounded one Mexican marine, officials found a number of weapons inside the house where Guzman was staying, including the rifle, officials said.

When agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives checked serial numbers of the eight weapons found in his possession, they found one of the two .50-caliber weapons traced back to the ATF program, sources said.

Federal officials told Fox News they are not sure how many of the weapons seized from Guzman’s house actually originated in the U.S. and where they were purchased, but are investigating.

Out of the roughly 2,000 weapons sold through Fast and Furious, 34 were .50-caliber rifles that can take down a helicopter, according to officials.

Operation Fast and Furious was an operation in which federal agents allowed criminals to purchase weapons from Phoenix, AZ-area gun shops, with the ostensible intent of tracking the weapons once they made their way into Mexico.

Instead, the ATF ‘lost track’ of 1,400 of the 2,000 firearms involved in the operation, resulting in a series of congressional inquiries that culminated with Attorney General Eric Holder being held in contempt by the House for refusing to turn over documents relating to the investigation.

In 2012, then-Attorney General Eric Holder requested a claim of executive privilege from President Barack Obama, who granted it after e-mails showed “extensive” communication with the White House on the operation. The case has been stuck in the courts ever since.

Coincidentally, yesterday, after more than three years of stonewalling, a judge denied the executive privilege claim by the Obama administration. House Oversight chair Jason Chaffetz pointed that the order didn’t allow access to all the documents sought in House subpoenas, but that “it is an important step forward.”

The fact that the U.S. government put high caliber firearms into the hands of one of the most powerful drug cartels in the world speaks to the extreme lack of accountability within the upper echelons of the American empire.

Perhaps finding the head of the Sinaloa cartel in possession of one of the missing ‘Fast and Furious’ firearms will provide the impetus to hold those responsible for the botched operation accountable under the law.

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Donald Trump kicked El Chapo’s butt! As an American hispanic, I’m tired of how all of these coward racist liberals that hate America like Obama, Clinton, and their supporters are trying to turn this great country into a 3rd world one. Unfortunately, one of the biggest problems we have right now is the media and entertainment that are always trying to tell us how to think. They have created enough imbeciles that would re-elect a failure like Obama. Even more, I’m supposed to bow down to anti-American Obama, love liberal policies no matter how destructive they are, love bigger enslaving government, and be in favor of illegal immigration because of the color of my skin… disgusting. That’s why I and others created “Chepo Team”, the first true pro-America, comic strip. Please support our cause by liking our facebook page at:www.facebook.com/chepoteam . Thank you

yes it turns out the DEA make a deal to bust all but one cartel. You know that TV show Let’s Make A Deal! like that except with 36 .50 cal (shoot down plane) rifles. This is nothing look at the Vietnam war.

I’ve been watching ‘The Power Principle’ Will, I’m only about 50 minutes into it over the last week, it has so much info, and I try to varify any claims made so I can stand by them to some degree. like in the first 8 minutes, the narator said the US military budget for air-con, is greater than the entire budget of NASA….. some serious wtf. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5If2YaLtX4

This is news? So quickly people forget about the Iran/contra scandal. This has been happening for a long, long time. So sad that it’s taken this long for stuff like this to break light. Hope for humanity is dwindling.

The Taliban destroyed all the poppy fields in Afghanistan and threatened to kill anyone caught farming opium.
Since the US “liberated” Afghanistan the Afghan heroin business is bigger than it has ever been.

not so much worried about the light fifty as i am that RPG, it takes skill to use that fifty with any good measure however you can hand a child that RPG and cause alot of damage (meaning you can hand a simple person that weapons platform and they can wreck some major havoc), thus i will say to everyone here it is time to take up arms learn protect each other and your communities and nation, do not let the left push to ban , restrict , curtail ect ect your rights to bare arms.

We’ve always known who the real dealers are. Once upon a time we actually had a media with a budget that could expose shit like this, but those days are gone. But hey, I know how many zits are on a celebs ass.

those 50cal sniper rifles should be issued to every poor and middle class Australians. These are the main weapons governments are concerned about, because they are great equalizers. We would have no more corrupt governments run by the finanical elite, because the minute it becomes obvious that you are letting Corporations pay no tax, but keep over taxing people who get underpaid and are barely surviving, or shipping jobs off shore by making imports so cheap it destroys the local industry, you would cop a bullet. And yes Asio i know u read Face book, how about you do your jobs and put the finanical elite in their place, and start working towards having honest people in leader ship roles, instead of being their lap dogs?

I think it’s hysterical that you people actually believe that there is a human being in the world capable of firing a sniper rifle at a commercial airline which flies hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of feet in the air at a speed of hundreds of miles per hour lol.

Exactly what experience do you people have with military helicopters and 50 caliber sniper rifles?

I spent 15 years in the United States Marine Corps. Do you want to know why you never actually read a story about them using those 50 caliber sniper rifles to actually shoot down helicopters?

Because it never happened because it’s impossible lol. Again you cannot fire a sniper rifle up. There’s a thing called the Coriolis effect which takes into account wind and the rotation of the bullet once it leaves the barrel. When you shoot up against gravity you cannot control where the bullet goes.

You ever notice why you ever seen a picture of anyone ever using a sniper rifle to shoot at anything they are up and shoot down?

50 caliber rifles are used to hit heavy artillery, because those are the only rounds that are big enough to penetrate the armor. They’re not used for shooting an aircraft.

Alan Volante what the hell makes you think that an unguided sub sonic rocket is going to kill a helicopter but a .50 BMG rifle won’t? That type of rifle is literally made to be anti material. Meaning it’s MADE for use like this.

Beyond that we have confirmed reports of a helicopter in the US being taken down by weapons fire. While we don’t have confirmation what rifle was used in that case. However it is know that it was damaged by gun fire. Helicopters just aren’t that tough. Even military models.

Noishkel Hauptman 15 years in the United States Marine Corps including fighting two different wars in Iraq spanning three tours and two tours in Afghanistan. I also served in Bosnia Ethiopia Rwanda Brazil Colombia Honduras Nicaragua.

Not only never in those 15 years did I ever see any type of aircraft ever shot down by a sniper rifle, I never even heard somebody make the assumption that it could be done outside of television and movies.

15 years of actual hands on experience in the military tells me this is impossible. What’s your experience? What practical experience with 50 caliber weapons do you have that makes you think it can be done?

Do you understand the Coriolis effect? Do you understand that the barrels of rifles are grooved to spin the weapon so they are intentionally designed to be shot straight or down, not up?

The 50 caliber sniper rifle is used to penetrate armor of vehicles on the ground. There is not a sniper rifle in existence that is used to shoot aircraft.

By the way you do understand that there’s a huge difference between a mounted 50 caliber on top or back of a vehicle and a 50 caliber sniper rifle right?

A 50 caliber automatic rifle attached to a vehicle or the back of a pickup truck could be used to shoot at aircraft. But its not the same thing of the sniper rifle goofball.

I served with the marines for five years and was a mechanic on the UH-1N models and the Ah-1W model helicopters.

Helicopters are fragile as shit. They can go down for the smallest of reasons. I knew of a helicopter that went down in Pendleton because a hawk bumped into it from the side. I saw one personally go down because a single 7.62×39 round shot the fuel cell and it ran out of fuel. I’ve seen another go down because a 7.62×51 round shot through a flight control and the help crashed as a result of that. Both rounds are way smaller than a .50 cal or .50 MG round.

I respect your service but you don’t know what you’re talking about marine. Just because you went to Iraq and Afghan doesn’t mean you know dick about ballistics or the engineering and resistance to damage of helicopters. Just sayin.

A hovering low altitude heli can’t be shot down with a rifle? A .50 at that? Never mind that these rifles are used to disable grounded aircraft.
From a vet to another, thanks, and nobody can take away your alleged service, but you sound worse than those you’re mocking.

Yeah, I’m with the rest of these fellas Marine. Thanks for your service. However, I have a bit of experience with .50 BMG both McMillan and Barrett, suppressed and unsuppressed. A bit not a huge amount. I’ve never done it nor have I seen it, but a .50 being made to penetrate armor to include light tanks……I’m pretty sure a rotary winged aircraft or even fixed wing if the target presents itself in the right scenario is well within the limits of a .50……….duh, didn’t you see shooter? Marky Mark did it, not once but twice.

Alan Volante this make me laugh a lot man !! Yeah they think this guy is gonna use it only to kill something for nothing , of course not !! He use it against the other enemies cartels and the mexican army …. yeah use your heads boys !! 😛

Alan volante. Since you “served” then you would Know military helicopters generally stand still while shooting hellfires and main chain gun. (Not saying we are sending apaches to Mexico) No it prob won’t shoot down any commercial aircraft unless they were at the airport. And being a former military Man you should have experienced first hand the dumb shit our country has done. It’s just great fighting against someone that’s using the same weapon we’ve given them.

So Obama personally met up with el Chapo to sell him a 50 cal… then El Chapo shot airplanes down from his hide out… with a gun that is clearly used to penetrate armoured vehicles used by the Mexican federal police and rival cartel members on bulletproof trucks.. seriously I know some of yall hate Obama but at least be smart when you hate him. Some corrupted military head who’s getting payed by the cartel could of easily gotten the cartel one…. actually if you do your research you’ll see that lots of cartel members have 50 cals. If you know Spanish listen to their corridos theyll pretty much explain why they even have 50 cals.

“The accuracy of the Model 82A1 makes possible the placement of the shot in the
most vulnerable area of the target. The compressor sections of jet engines or the
transmissions of helicopters are likely targets for the weapon, making it capable of
destroying multi-million dollar aircraft with a single hit delivered to a vital area.” ~Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc. brochure advertising its Model
82A1 50 caliber sniper rifle

I think it’s hysterical that you people actually believe that there is a human being in the world capable of firing a sniper rifle at a commercial airline which flies hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of feet in the air at a speed of hundreds of miles per hour lol.

Exactly what experience do you people have with military helicopters and 50 caliber sniper rifles?

I spent 15 years in the United States Marine Corps. Do you want to know why you never actually read a story about them using those 50 caliber sniper rifles to actually shoot down helicopters?

Because it never happened because it’s impossible lol. Again you cannot fire a sniper rifle up. There’s a thing called the Coriolis effect which takes into account wind and the rotation of the bullet once it leaves the barrel. When you shoot up against gravity you cannot control where the bullet goes.

You ever notice why you ever seen a picture of anyone ever using a sniper rifle to shoot at anything they are up and shoot down?

50 caliber rifles are used to hit heavy artillery, because those are the only rounds that are big enough to penetrate the armor. They’re not used for shooting an aircraft.

Alan Volante what the hell makes you think that an unguided sub sonic rocket is going to kill a helicopter but a .50 BMG rifle won’t? That type of rifle is literally made to be anti material. Meaning it’s MADE for use like this.

Beyond that we have confirmed reports of a helicopter in the US being taken down by weapons fire. While we don’t have confirmation what rifle was used in that case. However it is know that it was damaged by gun fire. Helicopters just aren’t that tough. Even military models.

Noishkel Hauptman 15 years in the United States Marine Corps including fighting two different wars in Iraq spanning three tours and two tours in Afghanistan. I also served in Bosnia Ethiopia Rwanda Brazil Colombia Honduras Nicaragua.

Not only never in those 15 years did I ever see any type of aircraft ever shot down by a sniper rifle, I never even heard somebody make the assumption that it could be done outside of television and movies.

15 years of actual hands on experience in the military tells me this is impossible. What’s your experience? What practical experience with 50 caliber weapons do you have that makes you think it can be done?

Do you understand the Coriolis effect? Do you understand that the barrels of rifles are grooved to spin the weapon so they are intentionally designed to be shot straight or down, not up?

The 50 caliber sniper rifle is used to penetrate armor of vehicles on the ground. There is not a sniper rifle in existence that is used to shoot aircraft.

By the way you do understand that there’s a huge difference between a mounted 50 caliber on top or back of a vehicle and a 50 caliber sniper rifle right?

A 50 caliber automatic rifle attached to a vehicle or the back of a pickup truck could be used to shoot at aircraft. But its not the same thing of the sniper rifle goofball.

I served with the marines for five years and was a mechanic on the UH-1N models and the Ah-1W model helicopters.

Helicopters are fragile as shit. They can go down for the smallest of reasons. I knew of a helicopter that went down in Pendleton because a hawk bumped into it from the side. I saw one personally go down because a single 7.62×39 round shot the fuel cell and it ran out of fuel. I’ve seen another go down because a 7.62×51 round shot through a flight control and the help crashed as a result of that. Both rounds are way smaller than a .50 cal or .50 MG round.

I respect your service but you don’t know what you’re talking about marine. Just because you went to Iraq and Afghan doesn’t mean you know dick about ballistics or the engineering and resistance to damage of helicopters. Just sayin.

A hovering low altitude heli can’t be shot down with a rifle? A .50 at that? Never mind that these rifles are used to disable grounded aircraft.
From a vet to another, thanks, and nobody can take away your alleged service, but you sound worse than those you’re mocking.

Yeah, I’m with the rest of these fellas Marine. Thanks for your service. However, I have a bit of experience with .50 BMG both McMillan and Barrett, suppressed and unsuppressed. A bit not a huge amount. I’ve never done it nor have I seen it, but a .50 being made to penetrate armor to include light tanks……I’m pretty sure a rotary winged aircraft or even fixed wing if the target presents itself in the right scenario is well within the limits of a .50……….duh, didn’t you see shooter? Marky Mark did it, not once but twice.

Alan Volante this make me laugh a lot man !! Yeah they think this guy is gonna use it only to kill something for nothing , of course not !! He use it against the other enemies cartels and the mexican army …. yeah use your heads boys !! 😛

Alan volante. Since you “served” then you would Know military helicopters generally stand still while shooting hellfires and main chain gun. (Not saying we are sending apaches to Mexico) No it prob won’t shoot down any commercial aircraft unless they were at the airport. And being a former military Man you should have experienced first hand the dumb shit our country has done. It’s just great fighting against someone that’s using the same weapon we’ve given them.

So Obama personally met up with el Chapo to sell him a 50 cal… then El Chapo shot airplanes down from his hide out… with a gun that is clearly used to penetrate armoured vehicles used by the Mexican federal police and rival cartel members on bulletproof trucks.. seriously I know some of yall hate Obama but at least be smart when you hate him. Some corrupted military head who’s getting payed by the cartel could of easily gotten the cartel one…. actually if you do your research you’ll see that lots of cartel members have 50 cals. If you know Spanish listen to their corridos theyll pretty much explain why they even have 50 cals.

“The accuracy of the Model 82A1 makes possible the placement of the shot in the
most vulnerable area of the target. The compressor sections of jet engines or the
transmissions of helicopters are likely targets for the weapon, making it capable of
destroying multi-million dollar aircraft with a single hit delivered to a vital area.” ~Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc. brochure advertising its Model
82A1 50 caliber sniper rifle

I am liberal, i hate his fucking guts. But seriously, he had nothing to do with this, at all, in fact. I hate his ass for the marshal law act, but you can’t blame him for a government agency that usually refuses to release its data every time they are asked, doing something wrong.

I am liberal, i hate his fucking guts. But seriously, he had nothing to do with this, at all, in fact. I hate his ass for the marshal law act, but you can’t blame him for a government agency that usually refuses to release its data every time they are asked, doing something wrong.

That’s fucking stupid. First of all you’re talking to me, not the media. Second of all when bush fucked up it killed 4 thousand of our troops and almost a million Iraqis, plus the deaths if 9 11 since he could have tried to stop it using intel passed on by the Clinton administration.

Jason Keating you need to get up to speed with the actual events of 9/11 then you will be able to give opinions. How can bush stop the false flag event that was 9/11? He was, like the rest of the pleb bush family in it up to his chin. Do some homework.

Obama(U.S.) has also funded their proxy army(terrorists) to the teeth to takedown governments that don’t bow down to US hegemony. Face the facts deuche nozzle. Obama is just the same warmongering sociopath Bush was, except Obama can at least read a sentence of a teleprompter without stuttering.

That’s fucking stupid. First of all you’re talking to me, not the media. Second of all when bush fucked up it killed 4 thousand of our troops and almost a million Iraqis, plus the deaths if 9 11 since he could have tried to stop it using intel passed on by the Clinton administration.

Jason Keating you need to get up to speed with the actual events of 9/11 then you will be able to give opinions. How can bush stop the false flag event that was 9/11? He was, like the rest of the pleb bush family in it up to his chin. Do some homework.

Obama(U.S.) has also funded their proxy army(terrorists) to the teeth to takedown governments that don’t bow down to US hegemony. Face the facts deuche nozzle. Obama is just the same warmongering sociopath Bush was, except Obama can at least read a sentence of a teleprompter without stuttering.

He sold them the guns? Last time i checked he had absolutely nothing to do with it, nor did he hide anything. The file was on a foreign criminal, it would not be available to anyone that doesn’t act as an international law enforcement agency. Credentials which he would not have.

He sold them the guns? Last time i checked he had absolutely nothing to do with it, nor did he hide anything. The file was on a foreign criminal, it would not be available to anyone that doesn’t act as an international law enforcement agency. Credentials which he would not have.

The only people that think Obama’s Gun Grabbing is about Safety are the Useful Idiots that he so easily manipulates. The People with a Clue and knowledge of History, Communism, Alinskey, and Obama KNOW that this is about CONTROL.

Explain “gun grabbing”. Has he passed a law that would take guns away? If you actually read the law, you’d know that the only thing changed was the strictness of the background check. Now people who are on terror watchlists can not get guns, and neither are violent felons. Would you like possible terrorists and those who commit firearm crimes should own guns? If so, Why?

Baby steps. They (the government) wish to take our guns. This is part of the UN agenda and Obama is completely on board. Probably many Republicans too. When you give away your ability to fight tyranny you will surely become a slave.

We actually have the same amount of rights now than we did the day before he passed that law. And kenny, just look it up, pretty easy since you are on a fucking computer of sorts. If not letting violent criminals own things that shoot bullets, is taking away our rights, then apparently we are all violent felons, and supposed terrorists.

Drew Hoyle You must be one of thoese really dense, easily manipulated, and gullible Useful Idiots that the Left has in such abundance. I, however, have experienced Communism, Socialism, and seen Tyranny. I have read History. (unlike you, it seems) I have listened to the Rhetoric. I have witnessed the FAILED ATTEMPTS at increased Infringement. You must have your head in the sand to NOT have known this. BACKGROUND CHECKS DO NOTHING. You seem to believe that a Leftist talking point is sonmehow a truth when it is only a distraction FROM Truth. If you also believe that the Unconstitutional terror Watch List DOES ANYTHING but infringe, you are even more of a tool than originally thought. How in your hardwired little liberal mind can you possibly think or believe that a CRIMINAL will be affected by LAWS? If somebody is willing to KILL you because of what you believe, why would they obey any of YOUR Laws? Are you really THAT Stupid? Jeez, you level of complete ignorance is ASTOUNDING.

I can walk into a store, and because i am not a violent felon, or supposed terrorist, i can get a rifle or shotgun. Same thing two months ago. and a year ago. I know because i am not a stranger to guns. I love them, but a man who has caused violence as a first resort should not be able to get a gun as easily as i, a person who won’t ever shoot a person, or threaten.

Drew Hoyle If ANYONE is not to be trusted to buy a gun through normal channels, WHY ARE THEY NOT IN PRISON? Your complete lack of Logic in your thought process is worrisome. Do you Not Know how the real world works?

You need to look at the long term affect bro, of course they can’t completely seize guns at this point.. However look at recent legislation in Cali where a judge can determine that a citizen (“under reasonable suspicion”)is unfit to own firearms, then they seize the weapons. Thing is that they determine the reasonable suspicion.

The only people that think Obama’s Gun Grabbing is about Safety are the Useful Idiots that he so easily manipulates. The People with a Clue and knowledge of History, Communism, Alinskey, and Obama KNOW that this is about CONTROL.

Explain “gun grabbing”. Has he passed a law that would take guns away? If you actually read the law, you’d know that the only thing changed was the strictness of the background check. Now people who are on terror watchlists can not get guns, and neither are violent felons. Would you like possible terrorists and those who commit firearm crimes should own guns? If so, Why?

Baby steps. They (the government) wish to take our guns. This is part of the UN agenda and Obama is completely on board. Probably many Republicans too. When you give away your ability to fight tyranny you will surely become a slave.

We actually have the same amount of rights now than we did the day before he passed that law. And kenny, just look it up, pretty easy since you are on a fucking computer of sorts. If not letting violent criminals own things that shoot bullets, is taking away our rights, then apparently we are all violent felons, and supposed terrorists.

Drew Hoyle You must be one of thoese really dense, easily manipulated, and gullible Useful Idiots that the Left has in such abundance. I, however, have experienced Communism, Socialism, and seen Tyranny. I have read History. (unlike you, it seems) I have listened to the Rhetoric. I have witnessed the FAILED ATTEMPTS at increased Infringement. You must have your head in the sand to NOT have known this. BACKGROUND CHECKS DO NOTHING. You seem to believe that a Leftist talking point is sonmehow a truth when it is only a distraction FROM Truth. If you also believe that the Unconstitutional terror Watch List DOES ANYTHING but infringe, you are even more of a tool than originally thought. How in your hardwired little liberal mind can you possibly think or believe that a CRIMINAL will be affected by LAWS? If somebody is willing to KILL you because of what you believe, why would they obey any of YOUR Laws? Are you really THAT Stupid? Jeez, you level of complete ignorance is ASTOUNDING.

I can walk into a store, and because i am not a violent felon, or supposed terrorist, i can get a rifle or shotgun. Same thing two months ago. and a year ago. I know because i am not a stranger to guns. I love them, but a man who has caused violence as a first resort should not be able to get a gun as easily as i, a person who won’t ever shoot a person, or threaten.

Drew Hoyle If ANYONE is not to be trusted to buy a gun through normal channels, WHY ARE THEY NOT IN PRISON? Your complete lack of Logic in your thought process is worrisome. Do you Not Know how the real world works?

You need to look at the long term affect bro, of course they can’t completely seize guns at this point.. However look at recent legislation in Cali where a judge can determine that a citizen (“under reasonable suspicion”)is unfit to own firearms, then they seize the weapons. Thing is that they determine the reasonable suspicion.

He knows about every black op and back ally deal that the US and its various agencies engage in? He personally has control over that? And what of the checks and balances maintained by having 3 SEPARATE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT? But you know what? Yea, blame King President Obama (Supreme High Ruler of all things USA)

He knows about every black op and back ally deal that the US and its various agencies engage in? He personally has control over that? And what of the checks and balances maintained by having 3 SEPARATE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT? But you know what? Yea, blame King President Obama (Supreme High Ruler of all things USA)

Well most times I really like what ya have to say….. BUT….. How can you create a meme depicting what YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SEE, which I get that, but you cannot base a meme, or anything for that matter and use YOUR OWN ARTICLE as the source. Lost a bit of credibility with me that you once had. And I am pretty sure mind you, that Obama was not sitting on a phone in the white house chatting with #ElChapo.

And Reagan gave weapons to Iran, GHW Bush , Clinton, GW Bush, Obama. Old freaking news pretty much. Americans have no reason to get all broken up about it because AMERICANS allow it to happen. Unless Americans get off their ass and at least TRY to do something, then I think the mouths of “ass sitter go with the flow types that bitch” should just button mouth shut. Period. Bitching without follow up action is one thing. BITCHING.

Well most times I really like what ya have to say….. BUT….. How can you create a meme depicting what YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SEE, which I get that, but you cannot base a meme, or anything for that matter and use YOUR OWN ARTICLE as the source. Lost a bit of credibility with me that you once had. And I am pretty sure mind you, that Obama was not sitting on a phone in the white house chatting with #ElChapo.

And Reagan gave weapons to Iran, GHW Bush , Clinton, GW Bush, Obama. Old freaking news pretty much. Americans have no reason to get all broken up about it because AMERICANS allow it to happen. Unless Americans get off their ass and at least TRY to do something, then I think the mouths of “ass sitter go with the flow types that bitch” should just button mouth shut. Period. Bitching without follow up action is one thing. BITCHING.

Do you really think the president is to blame for anything, really? It’s not him. He’s a figure head. The whole government is corrupt. They get away with worse shit than selling guns to drug dealers. The Cia doesn’t even keep that shit secret anymore.

Almost all = false. Government is inherently corrupt. It projects consent. On an individual scale that’s rape. 10 guys can’t get together and draft a document that says the woman they’re going to gang rape consents to it. About as simple as you can make it, right there.

Do you really think the president is to blame for anything, really? It’s not him. He’s a figure head. The whole government is corrupt. They get away with worse shit than selling guns to drug dealers. The Cia doesn’t even keep that shit secret anymore.

Almost all = false. Government is inherently corrupt. It projects consent. On an individual scale that’s rape. 10 guys can’t get together and draft a document that says the woman they’re going to gang rape consents to it. About as simple as you can make it, right there.

He put some Vicks under his eyes to make himself tear up, nothing more. He’s a phony !
Watch the video, he touches his eyes, they water up, and he lets some crocodile tears fall but never chokes up.
Totally fake, and people were dumb enough to buy it.

It’s just more emotional appeals to infringe on the citizens’ 2nd amendment rights.

He put some Vicks under his eyes to make himself tear up, nothing more. He’s a phony !
Watch the video, he touches his eyes, they water up, and he lets some crocodile tears fall but never chokes up.
Totally fake, and people were dumb enough to buy it.

It’s just more emotional appeals to infringe on the citizens’ 2nd amendment rights.

Its easy to blame noboma because I’ve lived through the past 7years of his dictatorship! He’s by far the absolute worse president I’ve seen in my 42 years! The most corrupt, power hungry, egotistical, law breaking s.o.b. that’s occupied the office, and that’s saying a lot. For you to defend anything he’s done while being king makes me think you live under a rock or just don’t pay attention! Are you going to vote for Hillary because she’s a woman, like you probably did for noboma because he’s black?

John Phillips, you are truly a right wing moron. You sit at your keyboard and make all these GOP talking point accusations, yet back up nothing. Still got your guns? Sure do. Still getting that monthly check? You sure are. Got all your teeth? Ha-ha bet you don’t.

Its easy to blame noboma because I’ve lived through the past 7years of his dictatorship! He’s by far the absolute worse president I’ve seen in my 42 years! The most corrupt, power hungry, egotistical, law breaking s.o.b. that’s occupied the office, and that’s saying a lot. For you to defend anything he’s done while being king makes me think you live under a rock or just don’t pay attention! Are you going to vote for Hillary because she’s a woman, like you probably did for noboma because he’s black?

John Phillips, you are truly a right wing moron. You sit at your keyboard and make all these GOP talking point accusations, yet back up nothing. Still got your guns? Sure do. Still getting that monthly check? You sure are. Got all your teeth? Ha-ha bet you don’t.

You people do realize that Obama did not create the “gun running” programs right? In fact it was his administration that ended it.

Also the gun that you’re referring to was found in 2011 and most likely purchased in 2008, and this is all not even proven fact. It’s just speculation from the gun Oversight Committee. They can’t actually trace that gun back to anything.

What’s with the daily anti Obama rhetoric you guys have been posting every day lately?

It was the Obama administration that is pushing for gun control. The one who cried about gun violence. And it was his administration that sold guns. Yes, others did too but doesn’t cover up that he did it and is now trying to cover it all up with executive powers. Are u blind or do u always trust people who are so blatantly lying? Do u also believe Hillary?

Am I seriously supposed to get into a serious debate with somebody who calls himself the Hamburglar?

Ok lol…

Operation wide receiver was started under the Bush administration. It was changed to fast and furious with many many many changes made. Then they realized it didn’t work so they stopped to the program.

When in the world did Barack Obama ever cry about gun violence in Mexico? Because you realize that’s what this was about right? It was to sell guns to Mexican cartels so the United States had an excuse to go into Mexico to arrest drug cartel members who are committing crimes with illegal United States guns.

Because you know American law enforcement is not allowed to go into Mexico to arrest Mexicans committing crimes in Mexico right?

Obama used his executive power to keep secret parts of the program that needed to be kept secret, like the names of assets in Mexico and the undercover FBI DEA and ATF agents working in that area.

Do you know how to read? Or do you just get all your information off of Facebook?

And no I don’t support Hillary Clinton and could care less about Hillary Clinton lied about and what she didn’t lie about. Could care less. She’s a non factor to me. I don’t like the Clintons at all.

But leave it to a guy like you to somehow try to connect with the federal government was doing to arrest Mexican cartel members who are hiding in a non extradition country to Obama and his gun policies here in the United States.

Read a book Hamburglar, I’m sure Grimace or Ronald McDonald might have one you can borrow

You read the mainstream media which constantly covers for Obama and hides what hurts his image. I can see that. And I can see you think nothing from Mexico makes its way into the us including illegal immigrants, drugs, weapons. Nope. They all just stay in Mexico

You make an awful lot of assumptions there Hamburglar. Where did you get that information from, the fry guys?

You are crisscrossing so many different stories it’s kind of amazing lol.

The gun running operations had nothing to do with catching a Mexicans in America you asshat. You know because American law enforcement doesn’t need permission from Mexico to rest a Mexicans that are already in the country. Derp derp derp.

The gun running programs were created to tie Mexican cartel leaders to committing crimes in the United States and then bringing those illegal guns into Mexico, giving the American government the legal authority to arrest them.

But no somehow to you it has to do with Obama trying to take guns away from Americans and allowing Mexicans to cross the border. That’s exactly what it was about lol..

You people do realize that Obama did not create the “gun running” programs right? In fact it was his administration that ended it.

Also the gun that you’re referring to was found in 2011 and most likely purchased in 2008, and this is all not even proven fact. It’s just speculation from the gun Oversight Committee. They can’t actually trace that gun back to anything.

What’s with the daily anti Obama rhetoric you guys have been posting every day lately?

It was the Obama administration that is pushing for gun control. The one who cried about gun violence. And it was his administration that sold guns. Yes, others did too but doesn’t cover up that he did it and is now trying to cover it all up with executive powers. Are u blind or do u always trust people who are so blatantly lying? Do u also believe Hillary?

Am I seriously supposed to get into a serious debate with somebody who calls himself the Hamburglar?

Ok lol…

Operation wide receiver was started under the Bush administration. It was changed to fast and furious with many many many changes made. Then they realized it didn’t work so they stopped to the program.

When in the world did Barack Obama ever cry about gun violence in Mexico? Because you realize that’s what this was about right? It was to sell guns to Mexican cartels so the United States had an excuse to go into Mexico to arrest drug cartel members who are committing crimes with illegal United States guns.

Because you know American law enforcement is not allowed to go into Mexico to arrest Mexicans committing crimes in Mexico right?

Obama used his executive power to keep secret parts of the program that needed to be kept secret, like the names of assets in Mexico and the undercover FBI DEA and ATF agents working in that area.

Do you know how to read? Or do you just get all your information off of Facebook?

And no I don’t support Hillary Clinton and could care less about Hillary Clinton lied about and what she didn’t lie about. Could care less. She’s a non factor to me. I don’t like the Clintons at all.

But leave it to a guy like you to somehow try to connect with the federal government was doing to arrest Mexican cartel members who are hiding in a non extradition country to Obama and his gun policies here in the United States.

Read a book Hamburglar, I’m sure Grimace or Ronald McDonald might have one you can borrow

You read the mainstream media which constantly covers for Obama and hides what hurts his image. I can see that. And I can see you think nothing from Mexico makes its way into the us including illegal immigrants, drugs, weapons. Nope. They all just stay in Mexico

You make an awful lot of assumptions there Hamburglar. Where did you get that information from, the fry guys?

You are crisscrossing so many different stories it’s kind of amazing lol.

The gun running operations had nothing to do with catching a Mexicans in America you asshat. You know because American law enforcement doesn’t need permission from Mexico to rest a Mexicans that are already in the country. Derp derp derp.

The gun running programs were created to tie Mexican cartel leaders to committing crimes in the United States and then bringing those illegal guns into Mexico, giving the American government the legal authority to arrest them.

But no somehow to you it has to do with Obama trying to take guns away from Americans and allowing Mexicans to cross the border. That’s exactly what it was about lol..

What I don’t understand is, why do you guys keep putting Obama there when we know he’s not the real person pulling the strings.
It keeps everyone so focused on Obama and the Administration, which is merely a distraction. He’s just a puppet, and if he wanted to do otherwise, he would probably get killed. C’mon guys! You know this too, let’s all make a change in these images to better educate the public.

What I don’t understand is, why do you guys keep putting Obama there when we know he’s not the real person pulling the strings.
It keeps everyone so focused on Obama and the Administration, which is merely a distraction. He’s just a puppet, and if he wanted to do otherwise, he would probably get killed. C’mon guys! You know this too, let’s all make a change in these images to better educate the public.

FAKE CRY people. fake crying….body language for one verifies it! Two the cunts been trained to act! And three . You can easily believe he went to that dinner and did a speach in the middle of having bin Laden taken out smiling and not batting an eyelid cos he was “heroically keeping it cool” and praised for his acting in that situation….but you can’t believe they hide other stuff with a grin like the trained smiling puppet he is. And can’t believe them tears we’re fake. They’ve got ya

FAKE CRY people. fake crying….body language for one verifies it! Two the cunts been trained to act! And three . You can easily believe he went to that dinner and did a speach in the middle of having bin Laden taken out smiling and not batting an eyelid cos he was “heroically keeping it cool” and praised for his acting in that situation….but you can’t believe they hide other stuff with a grin like the trained smiling puppet he is. And can’t believe them tears we’re fake. They’ve got ya

Also I spent time in the United States Marine Corps. A 50 caliber rifle is not capable of taking down a plane. No human being in the world could fire a 50 caliber sniper rifle at a commercial airline lol. It’s impossible.

There are things such as the Coriolis effect that shows that you cannot fire a sniper rifle straight up in the air with any type of accuracy whatsoever. Sniper rifles need to be fired at a downward angle, or at least a straight angle.

Also I spent time in the United States Marine Corps. A 50 caliber rifle is not capable of taking down a plane. No human being in the world could fire a 50 caliber sniper rifle at a commercial airline lol. It’s impossible.

There are things such as the Coriolis effect that shows that you cannot fire a sniper rifle straight up in the air with any type of accuracy whatsoever. Sniper rifles need to be fired at a downward angle, or at least a straight angle.

I like “The Free Project’s” exposure, but some of these are dubious and it is becoming misleading, which is exactly what the mass media is all about. Clean it up or those of us seeking the truth will dump you

I like “The Free Project’s” exposure, but some of these are dubious and it is becoming misleading, which is exactly what the mass media is all about. Clean it up or those of us seeking the truth will dump you

Makes me sick ..how this happend …prison for those who helped ..Edward Snowden ..could help us .find who is behide this …
He is a hero ..
Yes I understand. .we have cia all around the world ..
But it’s a war ..what’s the difference. Cia or a 19 yr old kid …I tell you ..the 19 yr old loves his land ..goes to war blindly . Where the cia guy ..is a dirty guy .who brake all the laws to get a pc of info ..that dose nothing ..

Makes me sick ..how this happend …prison for those who helped ..Edward Snowden ..could help us .find who is behide this …
He is a hero ..
Yes I understand. .we have cia all around the world ..
But it’s a war ..what’s the difference. Cia or a 19 yr old kid …I tell you ..the 19 yr old loves his land ..goes to war blindly . Where the cia guy ..is a dirty guy .who brake all the laws to get a pc of info ..that dose nothing ..

The don’t give a fuck they just want to say and post right wing shit while claiming to be “neutral” …. It’s a joke …. Talking hella shit about Bernie but not pointing out even half the lies donald trump is spouting off …. It’s pathetic …. Just come out and say you’re right wing like Fox News

The Free Thought Project.com sure, lets. Taken from politifacts article. “But the idea of gun-walking in general does trace back to the previous administration.” By any other name it is the same thing.

Lois Lynn Kingsbury why can’t you admit you bought the division tactics. and hated on the guy from before he was even in office? When will you stop being a fanboy of a label and start peaking behind the curtain? You are not in Kansas anymore!

Even if that’s true, does it take an act of congress to stop a program like that? Pretty sure he had the power to do that immediately. “All that’s necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing…”

People really need to look at the difference between Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious. WR was done on a smaller scale and when they found out the tracking wasn’t working they stopped. They also notified the Mexican Government as to what was going in. FF was done on a larger scale, with almost no tracking and no notification was given to the Mexican government.

Kent Alexander Lahti Bern tard. Bernie Sanders comes from the state with highest per capita of corporate millionaires. The state with the smallest lower class, this is due to COLA. The fastest shirking middle-class. He is not bought by millionaires but elected by them. Only an idiot would trust someone wall street has been electing for 30+ years.

Noah Cotton, imputing other intentions only makes your weak argument weaker. The definition of foolish is speaking about things you know nothing about. You know nothing about me nor my intention or feelings. You meet the definition…

The don’t give a fuck they just want to say and post right wing shit while claiming to be “neutral” …. It’s a joke …. Talking hella shit about Bernie but not pointing out even half the lies donald trump is spouting off …. It’s pathetic …. Just come out and say you’re right wing like Fox News

The Free Thought Project.com sure, lets. Taken from politifacts article. “But the idea of gun-walking in general does trace back to the previous administration.” By any other name it is the same thing.

Lois Lynn Kingsbury why can’t you admit you bought the division tactics. and hated on the guy from before he was even in office? When will you stop being a fanboy of a label and start peaking behind the curtain? You are not in Kansas anymore!

Even if that’s true, does it take an act of congress to stop a program like that? Pretty sure he had the power to do that immediately. “All that’s necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing…”

People really need to look at the difference between Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious. WR was done on a smaller scale and when they found out the tracking wasn’t working they stopped. They also notified the Mexican Government as to what was going in. FF was done on a larger scale, with almost no tracking and no notification was given to the Mexican government.

Kent Alexander Lahti Bern tard. Bernie Sanders comes from the state with highest per capita of corporate millionaires. The state with the smallest lower class, this is due to COLA. The fastest shirking middle-class. He is not bought by millionaires but elected by them. Only an idiot would trust someone wall street has been electing for 30+ years.

Noah Cotton, imputing other intentions only makes your weak argument weaker. The definition of foolish is speaking about things you know nothing about. You know nothing about me nor my intention or feelings. You meet the definition…

Clinton Michael , yeah lets keep mentioning the whole onion thing. If we say it enough people may start believing it. You people are pathetic. Must be the whole right-wing, Christian values thing right?

ATF and DEA are the reason of drugs in this country just like the one’s from last year disappearing off a military ship out of nowhere. How about you say you gave it to DEA informants to sell to catch people with the drug like an entrapment that is also illegal. My comments are going to get me abducted by the government one day.

But sure…. I bet he really cares about “gun violence.” Not to mention, actually enforcing the gun laws that ALREADY exist, (he did the opposite here) is an idea pointed out all the time by people opposed to more gun control…

The simple act of not doing anything to stop it suggests complicit – oh yes it does!!! We are all guilty. As long as we are “proud” Americans & keep saying “A-merc-a is the best country in the world, period!” – yes, we are partially responsible.

Kent Alexander Lahti hey buddy you ever see KILL THE MESSENGER..? Yea just to show you the problems started way before Obama, Reagan’s administration willing traded weapons the Haitians, Puerto Ricans, and people from Panama in exchange for their cocaine… hmm but Yea let’s blame the black guy for ALL our problems… smh 🙁

Casey Charles one detail you missed or chose to ignore. Hitler never did ban firearms. The Weimar Republic did. You would think NRA geeks would look it up but that would not fit in with their faulty reasoning.

Ok ok guys , dont get paranoic !! Lets get this straight !!
I don’t think obama did it by himself and neither that he stir things up so their administration make that happened . This is a problem since long time ago since you guys have a permission to have guns easily than here in mexico , even also your economy gives the privilege to get them more affordable , do you guys think CHAPO will buy something (responsable) in a place where i$ more expensive and controled for the government ?? , and as a Mexican I can asure you guys this problem with drugs is a business between both sides of the border and both of the government work together with the drug cartels , because is $$$ a lot money involved , you guys have brake your shells and see that we dont live in a world where presidents do the best for their countries , they Work for their bosses the very wealthy people is who controls the wars and invasions , the ones who decide who wins the presidency in a country , and all this thing about Chapo , is only a fucking show by our bloody stupid president peña nieto , because the mexican economy is getting worst ,a dollar 1 values 19 pesos , fuck this is the worst president we ever had in the history of Mexico

It starts at the top, idiot. Attorney General Eric Holder APPOINTED by Obama was in charge of the operation and directed the DEA and ATF for Fast and Furious.

Selling guns to cartels and tracking them isn’t a new thing, but under Obama’s administration it was done on a much bigger scale with Fast and Furious and it was so sloppy that they lost track of almost all of them because they were stupid. And people have died as a result.

Yes i do blame Obama, Holder, Hillary, Jarrett and Kerry you liberal nitwits wires are crossed and shorted out because your logic is only self serving. But your dumbasses better get ready to get to work and stop robbing the American taxpayers with all your socialism because Trump will be the next President. TRUMP 2017 !

Everyone seems to forget CONGRESS is responsible for 99% of what the presidents get blamed for. But shit well vote em right back in cause this is America where we scapegoat to make sure real blame never falls where it should.

Hey guys I noticed you all have such knowledge and Intel on the cartel so instead of blaming Obama and crying to Facebook maybe you should all get up and track them down yourself !!!! You guys have all the answers so go do it !!!

Clinton Michael , yeah lets keep mentioning the whole onion thing. If we say it enough people may start believing it. You people are pathetic. Must be the whole right-wing, Christian values thing right?

ATF and DEA are the reason of drugs in this country just like the one’s from last year disappearing off a military ship out of nowhere. How about you say you gave it to DEA informants to sell to catch people with the drug like an entrapment that is also illegal. My comments are going to get me abducted by the government one day.

But sure…. I bet he really cares about “gun violence.” Not to mention, actually enforcing the gun laws that ALREADY exist, (he did the opposite here) is an idea pointed out all the time by people opposed to more gun control…

The simple act of not doing anything to stop it suggests complicit – oh yes it does!!! We are all guilty. As long as we are “proud” Americans & keep saying “A-merc-a is the best country in the world, period!” – yes, we are partially responsible.

Kent Alexander Lahti hey buddy you ever see KILL THE MESSENGER..? Yea just to show you the problems started way before Obama, Reagan’s administration willing traded weapons the Haitians, Puerto Ricans, and people from Panama in exchange for their cocaine… hmm but Yea let’s blame the black guy for ALL our problems… smh 🙁

Casey Charles one detail you missed or chose to ignore. Hitler never did ban firearms. The Weimar Republic did. You would think NRA geeks would look it up but that would not fit in with their faulty reasoning.

Ok ok guys , dont get paranoic !! Lets get this straight !!
I don’t think obama did it by himself and neither that he stir things up so their administration make that happened . This is a problem since long time ago since you guys have a permission to have guns easily than here in mexico , even also your economy gives the privilege to get them more affordable , do you guys think CHAPO will buy something (responsable) in a place where i$ more expensive and controled for the government ?? , and as a Mexican I can asure you guys this problem with drugs is a business between both sides of the border and both of the government work together with the drug cartels , because is $$$ a lot money involved , you guys have brake your shells and see that we dont live in a world where presidents do the best for their countries , they Work for their bosses the very wealthy people is who controls the wars and invasions , the ones who decide who wins the presidency in a country , and all this thing about Chapo , is only a fucking show by our bloody stupid president peña nieto , because the mexican economy is getting worst ,a dollar 1 values 19 pesos , fuck this is the worst president we ever had in the history of Mexico

It starts at the top, idiot. Attorney General Eric Holder APPOINTED by Obama was in charge of the operation and directed the DEA and ATF for Fast and Furious.

Selling guns to cartels and tracking them isn’t a new thing, but under Obama’s administration it was done on a much bigger scale with Fast and Furious and it was so sloppy that they lost track of almost all of them because they were stupid. And people have died as a result.

Yes i do blame Obama, Holder, Hillary, Jarrett and Kerry you liberal nitwits wires are crossed and shorted out because your logic is only self serving. But your dumbasses better get ready to get to work and stop robbing the American taxpayers with all your socialism because Trump will be the next President. TRUMP 2017 !

Everyone seems to forget CONGRESS is responsible for 99% of what the presidents get blamed for. But shit well vote em right back in cause this is America where we scapegoat to make sure real blame never falls where it should.

Hey guys I noticed you all have such knowledge and Intel on the cartel so instead of blaming Obama and crying to Facebook maybe you should all get up and track them down yourself !!!! You guys have all the answers so go do it !!!

Wow he personally sold him that gun! El chapo gave Obama some cash and Obama handed him a gun! I can’t believe the so called president would do such a traitorous thing! Man good thing you guys got to the nitty gritty of it all and revealed this to us

Wow he personally sold him that gun! El chapo gave Obama some cash and Obama handed him a gun! I can’t believe the so called president would do such a traitorous thing! Man good thing you guys got to the nitty gritty of it all and revealed this to us

He’s a corporate politician. Which means he’s full of shit. The machine is in full press to get yo to believe that he’s ‘great’. But he’s full of shit. The crock tears fooled many, again. But if you accept that it’s they vs us and decided if you believe you’re either they or us then you’ll see one of two things. You’ll keep buying the bullshit which makes you part of the problem. Or you’ll decide you’re us, and see the bullshit. What’s your view?

He’s a corporate politician. Which means he’s full of shit. The machine is in full press to get yo to believe that he’s ‘great’. But he’s full of shit. The crock tears fooled many, again. But if you accept that it’s they vs us and decided if you believe you’re either they or us then you’ll see one of two things. You’ll keep buying the bullshit which makes you part of the problem. Or you’ll decide you’re us, and see the bullshit. What’s your view?

My god, you people are gullible. All you see is the puppet, the character put in place to take the blame for the bad and soak up the praise for the good. As long as you sheep keep pointing at the White House (regardless of who occupies it) and saying “its his fault!” nothing will ever change. You people are the kind of morons who attack actors, when the character they play on your favorite TV show does something you don’t like.

My god, you people are gullible. All you see is the puppet, the character put in place to take the blame for the bad and soak up the praise for the good. As long as you sheep keep pointing at the White House (regardless of who occupies it) and saying “its his fault!” nothing will ever change. You people are the kind of morons who attack actors, when the character they play on your favorite TV show does something you don’t like.

What astonishes me is that people are open to admit that the gov is very corrupt as we should, but believe that the President of a corrupt corporation called The United States is some how not corrupt and a “good guy”. It’s always amazing to me. Like some how a good guy can by pass all the bs and still remain good while almost everyone else around him is evil. That astonishes me still. The same for the next president. That last time that actually happened that guy got killed.

And don’t blame the President for fuck ups that spilled over into his presidency. Just because the “Fast and Furious” scandal was called something else before Obama came into office doesn’t mean that he ordered it.

Oooh, how very meta of you! I don’t think Lancashire is in the United States. Yes, please tell me how your outside viewpoint is superior to mine. I only live in this country, after all. (I’ll be waiting for some dumb ass quip about Americans being sheeple….)

Scott Hill What, exactly, did Obama fuck up? Or was that part of being told how to act by Fox news not important? You seem to think that nothing in the military happens until Obama yells, “JUMP!” Pretty simplistic of you.

Ryan McLaughlin, I’ll elaborate for you how Obama fucked up (and continues fucking up): NDAA, Funding of and sending weapons to the “Syrian” rebels (really Islamic State), NSA spying, continuation of the USA Patriot Act, hiring Monsanto lobbyist to head up the FDA, the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, drone bombing hospitals and weddings in 7 Muslim countries (also killed American citizens), supporting Saudi Arabia’s war crimes in Yemen, continues to send Israel billions of dollars of your tax money; then Israel turns around and commits crimes against humanity against the Palestinians, going after and persecuting whistle-blowers (jailing some of them), putting America in $18 trillion dollars of debt (more than all the past presidents combined). Shall I continue?

Actually if you read all of the executive orders Obama has passed, he did fuck up…look up the revision of the patriot act!!! Instead of abolishing it or taking out the parts that violate the constitution, he amended it and made it worse…just saying

Scott Hill >>>>There’s good soldiers and bad soldiers. Just following orders will be no excuse for following unlawful orders as the Nazi’s found out after the war and they had to answer for their behavior.

Thom how are troops being compared to Nazis? Ryan McLaughlin, you called me simplistic for watching Fox News. You little bitch of a man, you don’t know me! Please message me directly, if you would like to add to OUR conversation. To everyone else, don’t let these pieces of shit trying to bad mouth our services member have free say on social media, they must be called out as the cowards they really are

Listen, American politics aren’t perfect, we don’t elect perfect people to office, quite frankly neither does the rest of the world. We pick (hopefully( the once that represent us as close as possible. Is Obama our chosen god? no and by far neither was Bush or even Reagan. We choose the best we can. Obama is far from the best we’ve chosen, but not the worst either.

Shit Troop Supporters Say, the only thing that gurauntees the military works for the people or country is that we have an all volunteer force. The govt could never tell our troops to invade its own people or take away our guns or any right for that matter. Soldiers, sailors, Marines, and Airman alike, share one unique quality; they can call more bullshit on the Govt than anyone else. They’ve been there, done it, and got shit for it except the knowledge within themselves that they took part in something greater than themselves. Is the govt always right when it deploys troops? Absolutely not, most often to the contrary.
But the reason the govt says we are invading a country isn’t the reason soldiers follow the orders. If you’ve never experienced both sides of the coin, how did you become such a social media guru on the subject as to create a page dedicated to it.
You don’t have to support the govt in all its decisions, I agree, all parties involved are corrupt…..but a soldier asks nothing from you, not money or support or even understanding. They don’t need you for these things….that’s what our brothers we served beside are for. Because no matter how much one could attempt at explaining what it’s like, you could never understand. So, in my mind, you seem to have created a front for yourself to bash those that you truly know little or nothing about, just because you didn’t have the courage or selflessness to do so.
ie….just because you are a shitty person with no more to do in your pitiful little life than to create hateful pages towards those who would unhesitantly give his last breath, far from home or in his own neighborhood so that you have the ability to be such a prick, doesn’t give me the right to bash you. What you do with your meaningless, sheltered life is your business.
Carry on.

What astonishes me is that people are open to admit that the gov is very corrupt as we should, but believe that the President of a corrupt corporation called The United States is some how not corrupt and a “good guy”. It’s always amazing to me. Like some how a good guy can by pass all the bs and still remain good while almost everyone else around him is evil. That astonishes me still. The same for the next president. That last time that actually happened that guy got killed.

And don’t blame the President for fuck ups that spilled over into his presidency. Just because the “Fast and Furious” scandal was called something else before Obama came into office doesn’t mean that he ordered it.

Oooh, how very meta of you! I don’t think Lancashire is in the United States. Yes, please tell me how your outside viewpoint is superior to mine. I only live in this country, after all. (I’ll be waiting for some dumb ass quip about Americans being sheeple….)

Scott Hill What, exactly, did Obama fuck up? Or was that part of being told how to act by Fox news not important? You seem to think that nothing in the military happens until Obama yells, “JUMP!” Pretty simplistic of you.

Ryan McLaughlin, I’ll elaborate for you how Obama fucked up (and continues fucking up): NDAA, Funding of and sending weapons to the “Syrian” rebels (really Islamic State), NSA spying, continuation of the USA Patriot Act, hiring Monsanto lobbyist to head up the FDA, the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, drone bombing hospitals and weddings in 7 Muslim countries (also killed American citizens), supporting Saudi Arabia’s war crimes in Yemen, continues to send Israel billions of dollars of your tax money; then Israel turns around and commits crimes against humanity against the Palestinians, going after and persecuting whistle-blowers (jailing some of them), putting America in $18 trillion dollars of debt (more than all the past presidents combined). Shall I continue?

Actually if you read all of the executive orders Obama has passed, he did fuck up…look up the revision of the patriot act!!! Instead of abolishing it or taking out the parts that violate the constitution, he amended it and made it worse…just saying

Scott Hill >>>>There’s good soldiers and bad soldiers. Just following orders will be no excuse for following unlawful orders as the Nazi’s found out after the war and they had to answer for their behavior.

Thom how are troops being compared to Nazis? Ryan McLaughlin, you called me simplistic for watching Fox News. You little bitch of a man, you don’t know me! Please message me directly, if you would like to add to OUR conversation. To everyone else, don’t let these pieces of shit trying to bad mouth our services member have free say on social media, they must be called out as the cowards they really are

Listen, American politics aren’t perfect, we don’t elect perfect people to office, quite frankly neither does the rest of the world. We pick (hopefully( the once that represent us as close as possible. Is Obama our chosen god? no and by far neither was Bush or even Reagan. We choose the best we can. Obama is far from the best we’ve chosen, but not the worst either.

Shit Troop Supporters Say, the only thing that gurauntees the military works for the people or country is that we have an all volunteer force. The govt could never tell our troops to invade its own people or take away our guns or any right for that matter. Soldiers, sailors, Marines, and Airman alike, share one unique quality; they can call more bullshit on the Govt than anyone else. They’ve been there, done it, and got shit for it except the knowledge within themselves that they took part in something greater than themselves. Is the govt always right when it deploys troops? Absolutely not, most often to the contrary.
But the reason the govt says we are invading a country isn’t the reason soldiers follow the orders. If you’ve never experienced both sides of the coin, how did you become such a social media guru on the subject as to create a page dedicated to it.
You don’t have to support the govt in all its decisions, I agree, all parties involved are corrupt…..but a soldier asks nothing from you, not money or support or even understanding. They don’t need you for these things….that’s what our brothers we served beside are for. Because no matter how much one could attempt at explaining what it’s like, you could never understand. So, in my mind, you seem to have created a front for yourself to bash those that you truly know little or nothing about, just because you didn’t have the courage or selflessness to do so.
ie….just because you are a shitty person with no more to do in your pitiful little life than to create hateful pages towards those who would unhesitantly give his last breath, far from home or in his own neighborhood so that you have the ability to be such a prick, doesn’t give me the right to bash you. What you do with your meaningless, sheltered life is your business.
Carry on.

I think not. Bush was blamed for lying to America to get us into Iraq which took Trillions of dollars and thousands of Americans lives when he said it would be quick and cost much less. His friends made hundreds of billions of dollars. This while letting Wall Street rape our country ending up with an economy on fire. Blaming Obama for El Chao having a 50….come on man!

I think not. Bush was blamed for lying to America to get us into Iraq which took Trillions of dollars and thousands of Americans lives when he said it would be quick and cost much less. His friends made hundreds of billions of dollars. This while letting Wall Street rape our country ending up with an economy on fire. Blaming Obama for El Chao having a 50….come on man!

Come on Obama didn’t run the op it’s the CIA/ATF/DEA as usual. The CIA/FBI/ATF/DEA are the ones getting us into shit across the world and has been that way for 50+ years. The CIA isn’t told what to do by the president or congress. Free thought WTF obviously conservative bias. Will blame Obama like he directly handed the gun to Sinaloa cartel but won’t call out all the lies from Trumps mouth.

Trump only tells the truth & he tells it like it is. Also every word that comes out of Obama’s mouth is a fucking lie; remember the ” If you like your insurance you can keep it ” Bullshit he said about Obamacare & how our premiums are not going to go up well guess when our fucking premiums have gone through the roof & don’t get me started on gun control cuz I will school you !

Ross Manczak To bad they all lie. So this time since obama lied about obozocare aka insurance controlled care he therefore handed weapons directly to the cartel. Wrong try again, ATF ran it. Your obviously more concerned with party affiliation than the massive corruption going on in our gov’t agencies.

Come on Obama didn’t run the op it’s the CIA/ATF/DEA as usual. The CIA/FBI/ATF/DEA are the ones getting us into shit across the world and has been that way for 50+ years. The CIA isn’t told what to do by the president or congress. Free thought WTF obviously conservative bias. Will blame Obama like he directly handed the gun to Sinaloa cartel but won’t call out all the lies from Trumps mouth.

Trump only tells the truth & he tells it like it is. Also every word that comes out of Obama’s mouth is a fucking lie; remember the ” If you like your insurance you can keep it ” Bullshit he said about Obamacare & how our premiums are not going to go up well guess when our fucking premiums have gone through the roof & don’t get me started on gun control cuz I will school you !

Ross Manczak To bad they all lie. So this time since obama lied about obozocare aka insurance controlled care he therefore handed weapons directly to the cartel. Wrong try again, ATF ran it. Your obviously more concerned with party affiliation than the massive corruption going on in our gov’t agencies.

Joaquin is actually a good guy because unlike politicians he doesn’t hide and lie on what he does and he only tries to useviolence on enemies that’s why the people love him so much he takes care of them and is taking out the other cartels that extortion people and stuff , soooo good job Obama ha

Joaquin is actually a good guy because unlike politicians he doesn’t hide and lie on what he does and he only tries to useviolence on enemies that’s why the people love him so much he takes care of them and is taking out the other cartels that extortion people and stuff , soooo good job Obama ha

Didn’t Hillary and her cronies come up with that piece of, “just when you thought you’d heard the most insane idea out of Washington”?, covertness to the ridicules They cook up Fast and Furious, I’ll never understand how selling Hi impact weapons to the Cartels had an end game that was reasonable in someones mind.

Didn’t Hillary and her cronies come up with that piece of, “just when you thought you’d heard the most insane idea out of Washington”?, covertness to the ridicules They cook up Fast and Furious, I’ll never understand how selling Hi impact weapons to the Cartels had an end game that was reasonable in someones mind.

What proof is there that :
1. Obama himself is involved in this transfer…
2. That it is not another one of those clandestine CIA operations…
3. THAT It was done during the Obama administration,
And not precious administrations…

What proof is there that :
1. Obama himself is involved in this transfer…
2. That it is not another one of those clandestine CIA operations…
3. THAT It was done during the Obama administration,
And not precious administrations…

No worse than Reagan using Manuel Noriega to supply weapons to Afghan insurgents who then used same weapons to kill American soldiers and contract workers plus allowing Noriega to continue to sell cocaine and heroin to dealers in American cities. Indict Obama, indict conservatives messiah Rony Reagan. More Americans have died from Reagans actions than Obamas

Ronald Reagan had G.h.w.Bush as his V.P… Bush sen used Reagan as a cover to run the show.. Bush sen tried to assassinate Reagan but the attempt failed.. Bush and Clinton were running guns for drugs.. the Iran-contra scandlal.. Mena Arkansas when Bill Clinton was govenor…!!!

Ed Rapp.. Noriaga had nothing to do with arming the Afgans.. that was a c.i.a. operation.. G.h.w.Bush got rid of Noriaga.. prison and Pablo Escobar was killed for interfering in the Bushclinton…c.i.a. gunrunning and drug trafficking operations in Guatemala and Nicaragua and Colombia…and later on they moved into Afganistan for the heroin.. its still going on today under the Obama Administration…!!!

Nope , way more have died under Obama !! One of his first few days in office , he signed an executive order , the Mexico city policy , this allows American money tone used for overseas abortions !! Now this makes a lot of sense !!!! Not !!!!! Most pro baby killer pres ever !!! When he was a senator he voted for the born alive act twice !!! This allowed a baby to still be killed after it survived an abortion !!! Can you say hitlerish !!!! Going to hate mongering Jeremiah wrights church for some 20 yrs !!!! You libs are so gullible !!!!

No worse than Reagan using Manuel Noriega to supply weapons to Afghan insurgents who then used same weapons to kill American soldiers and contract workers plus allowing Noriega to continue to sell cocaine and heroin to dealers in American cities. Indict Obama, indict conservatives messiah Rony Reagan. More Americans have died from Reagans actions than Obamas

Ronald Reagan had G.h.w.Bush as his V.P… Bush sen used Reagan as a cover to run the show.. Bush sen tried to assassinate Reagan but the attempt failed.. Bush and Clinton were running guns for drugs.. the Iran-contra scandlal.. Mena Arkansas when Bill Clinton was govenor…!!!

Ed Rapp.. Noriaga had nothing to do with arming the Afgans.. that was a c.i.a. operation.. G.h.w.Bush got rid of Noriaga.. prison and Pablo Escobar was killed for interfering in the Bushclinton…c.i.a. gunrunning and drug trafficking operations in Guatemala and Nicaragua and Colombia…and later on they moved into Afganistan for the heroin.. its still going on today under the Obama Administration…!!!

Nope , way more have died under Obama !! One of his first few days in office , he signed an executive order , the Mexico city policy , this allows American money tone used for overseas abortions !! Now this makes a lot of sense !!!! Not !!!!! Most pro baby killer pres ever !!! When he was a senator he voted for the born alive act twice !!! This allowed a baby to still be killed after it survived an abortion !!! Can you say hitlerish !!!! Going to hate mongering Jeremiah wrights church for some 20 yrs !!!! You libs are so gullible !!!!

Liars, you are liars. Like the CIA or the DEA or for sure the NRA took their orders from President Obama or anybody else. They operate on their own and I am going to unfollow you now because you’re as bad as Sarah Palin blaming Obama for everything. Bunch of effen liars.

Liars, you are liars. Like the CIA or the DEA or for sure the NRA took their orders from President Obama or anybody else. They operate on their own and I am going to unfollow you now because you’re as bad as Sarah Palin blaming Obama for everything. Bunch of effen liars.

Very true, they have been dealing guns to the cartel and other sources to create problems and aid in there population control but dont forget its not Obama, he is just a face to blame another puppet like the last one before him and so on.

Very true, they have been dealing guns to the cartel and other sources to create problems and aid in there population control but dont forget its not Obama, he is just a face to blame another puppet like the last one before him and so on.

Sometimes, during an undercover operation you let some things slip, in order to, gain trust, intelligence, or track the route of weapons. Stupid Republicans ruined an operation by exposing this to score political points against Obama. They effectively worked against the US government s covert operations. I can imagine there were a lot of people tearing their hair out in DEA. Speaking of Cartels. What do you guys say to the charge that these militia groups in San Diego are working for the cartel, providing security?

Sometimes, during an undercover operation you let some things slip, in order to, gain trust, intelligence, or track the route of weapons. Stupid Republicans ruined an operation by exposing this to score political points against Obama. They effectively worked against the US government s covert operations. I can imagine there were a lot of people tearing their hair out in DEA. Speaking of Cartels. What do you guys say to the charge that these militia groups in San Diego are working for the cartel, providing security?

If this site keeps this misleading right wing shit I am not following and encourage my friends to do so also. Um… the Govt represents the people.. so by extension we sold those guns to him… duh… take responsibility and change the system that represents us for the good of all, not just the warmongers that are just concerned for cash for arms no matter who it may be. It’s big business, create conflict – sell arms to both sides… capitalism 101 – demand and supply.

If this site keeps this misleading right wing shit I am not following and encourage my friends to do so also. Um… the Govt represents the people.. so by extension we sold those guns to him… duh… take responsibility and change the system that represents us for the good of all, not just the warmongers that are just concerned for cash for arms no matter who it may be. It’s big business, create conflict – sell arms to both sides… capitalism 101 – demand and supply.

I know, right? Did he cry the first time they caught Fast and Furious? Like, “Oh! I’m sorry! I made a mistake! It was a foolish thing to do, but we needed the Iranian’s help.” No. He knew then, and knew now, and with fake tears will deceive the stupid, yet again.

I know, right? Did he cry the first time they caught Fast and Furious? Like, “Oh! I’m sorry! I made a mistake! It was a foolish thing to do, but we needed the Iranian’s help.” No. He knew then, and knew now, and with fake tears will deceive the stupid, yet again.

In this page: feeble minded men-children who can’t deal with the real world and thus has to construct conspiracies. This is the price you pay for not being willing to absolve yourselves of ignorance. Even though you know that truth will set men free, you have no interest in TRUTH and thus freedom. I pity you guys. What sucks is you do a very good job of making the world a tucked up place to live in for the rest of us with your dumbassery.

In this page: feeble minded men-children who can’t deal with the real world and thus has to construct conspiracies. This is the price you pay for not being willing to absolve yourselves of ignorance. Even though you know that truth will set men free, you have no interest in TRUTH and thus freedom. I pity you guys. What sucks is you do a very good job of making the world a tucked up place to live in for the rest of us with your dumbassery.

The Biggest drug dealer is also the most powerful the CIA, thats why the big cartel leaders from Colombia to Mexico are ex college of the Americas trained and funded by the CIA lets accept that and legalize already and stop the carnage

Fast and furious is just the continuing of a program begun under Bush and continued by Obama in the futile , failed war on drugs . Now we’re beginning to understand exactly how it has been manipulated until it’s more a war on minorities , because it has been proven that white people use drugs at about the same rate as black people , but there is a disproportionate number of blacks in prison for drugs . They have become a cash machine for the for profit prison system and their cronies in Congress .

Fast and furious is just the continuing of a program begun under Bush and continued by Obama in the futile , failed war on drugs . Now we’re beginning to understand exactly how it has been manipulated until it’s more a war on minorities , because it has been proven that white people use drugs at about the same rate as black people , but there is a disproportionate number of blacks in prison for drugs . They have become a cash machine for the for profit prison system and their cronies in Congress .

I am very uncomfortable with a government that uses drones to assassinate people inside a country we are not at war with whom our government believes might some day harm us. Plus there are a large number of civilian casualties (collateral damage). This illegal use of drones may be the greatest act of terrorism in the 21st century despite the jingoism of “The War On Terror”. The Drone program usually gets their intelligence from sources such as Israel and Saudi Arabian before they make a strike. Often the drones will target a particular cell phone which the person identified as potentially harmful has used but may have given away… killing innocent civilians by “mistake”. According to the rules of war (Geneva Convention) and the UN, it is not legal for any country to assassinate people in another country when they are not at war with that country. Many of the “targets” deserve some “due process” – Usually, no American is on the ground to confirm they are combatants or who was actually killed. We saw on the news when Syrian rebels say they hate ISIS for bombing their village and how they want revenge, what do the Syrians say when the US bombs their towns?

I am very uncomfortable with a government that uses drones to assassinate people inside a country we are not at war with whom our government believes might some day harm us. Plus there are a large number of civilian casualties (collateral damage). This illegal use of drones may be the greatest act of terrorism in the 21st century despite the jingoism of “The War On Terror”. The Drone program usually gets their intelligence from sources such as Israel and Saudi Arabian before they make a strike. Often the drones will target a particular cell phone which the person identified as potentially harmful has used but may have given away… killing innocent civilians by “mistake”. According to the rules of war (Geneva Convention) and the UN, it is not legal for any country to assassinate people in another country when they are not at war with that country. Many of the “targets” deserve some “due process” – Usually, no American is on the ground to confirm they are combatants or who was actually killed. We saw on the news when Syrian rebels say they hate ISIS for bombing their village and how they want revenge, what do the Syrians say when the US bombs their towns?

Everybody wants to blame Obama for everything that’s going in in this world and I’m fine with that but facts are facts… Chapos cartel has been running and smuggling guns from this country into Mexico since the 80’s… Yall better get some real facts instead of finger pointing at your do called puppet

Look at my statement smart guy… Then look at your comment to my statement… Cartel deal in drugs, guns and human slavery and so much more… I don’t know what you’re thinking but have a few of these while you ponder about it…

Everybody wants to blame Obama for everything that’s going in in this world and I’m fine with that but facts are facts… Chapos cartel has been running and smuggling guns from this country into Mexico since the 80’s… Yall better get some real facts instead of finger pointing at your do called puppet

Look at my statement smart guy… Then look at your comment to my statement… Cartel deal in drugs, guns and human slavery and so much more… I don’t know what you’re thinking but have a few of these while you ponder about it…

Bushs fast & furious. Cheney is more evil than El Chapo will ever be. Obama did not take any idiots guns away in 7 years. Fucking stupid Sara Palen worshippers here blaming Obama. The billionaires love you suckers that believe their propoganda.

Bushs fast & furious. Cheney is more evil than El Chapo will ever be. Obama did not take any idiots guns away in 7 years. Fucking stupid Sara Palen worshippers here blaming Obama. The billionaires love you suckers that believe their propoganda.

When did the PRESIDENT DO THIS, and where is the PROOF or EVIDENCE, please show it if it exist, OR SHUT THE HELL UP, you have no RESPECT for this PRESIDENT, and it’s for only one REASON, and STEVIE WONDER could see THIS.

When did the PRESIDENT DO THIS, and where is the PROOF or EVIDENCE, please show it if it exist, OR SHUT THE HELL UP, you have no RESPECT for this PRESIDENT, and it’s for only one REASON, and STEVIE WONDER could see THIS.

everyone’s talking shit but are going to go vote for a corrupt piece of shit as soon as they get the chance lol. The only way we stop all this bs is a revolution this type of government just isn’t working for us anymore and they’re not going to willingly step down.

everyone’s talking shit but are going to go vote for a corrupt piece of shit as soon as they get the chance lol. The only way we stop all this bs is a revolution this type of government just isn’t working for us anymore and they’re not going to willingly step down.

You got it all wrong. DOJ had operation that installed hidden GPS systems inside the firearms. Made several arrests and the Mexican government was part of the operation. It was ended when the cartel discovered the hidden GPS. Fast and Furious was totally about creating a political story that weapons were too easily purchased and sent south of the border. Mexican government were NOT made aware of the problem and BATF let the weapons go without tracking them. Don’t take my word for it. Look it up yourself; Operation Wide Receiver vs. Fast and Furious.

You got it all wrong. DOJ had operation that installed hidden GPS systems inside the firearms. Made several arrests and the Mexican government was part of the operation. It was ended when the cartel discovered the hidden GPS. Fast and Furious was totally about creating a political story that weapons were too easily purchased and sent south of the border. Mexican government were NOT made aware of the problem and BATF let the weapons go without tracking them. Don’t take my word for it. Look it up yourself; Operation Wide Receiver vs. Fast and Furious.

Mmmmhmmm he black! Obama personally delivered that rifle while ignoring the fact that there’s hundreds of positions beneath him that could have done the bad deed. But you know, he’s a nigger and all. I’m saying that for all the racist crackers and honkeys that don’t come out and say it. Sincerely yours this wetback that uses all of the government benefits.

Mmmmhmmm he black! Obama personally delivered that rifle while ignoring the fact that there’s hundreds of positions beneath him that could have done the bad deed. But you know, he’s a nigger and all. I’m saying that for all the racist crackers and honkeys that don’t come out and say it. Sincerely yours this wetback that uses all of the government benefits.

I don’t believe this post. No, I did not vote for Obama, but I have yet to see any credible source. People just post shit on Facebook that fits their beliefs without even checking into it; which also explains religion.

I don’t believe this post. No, I did not vote for Obama, but I have yet to see any credible source. People just post shit on Facebook that fits their beliefs without even checking into it; which also explains religion.

the potus is just taking orders, that’s a no brainer! the deal is to incite race wars( see all of the media on how blacks are being killed by white cops; see Michigan water scandal) , have the people start a revolution, chaos/ killing ensues, then clamp down on society with dictatorial marshal law plan! fema camps are just waiting! we got the beginnings of the hunger game plan.

the potus is just taking orders, that’s a no brainer! the deal is to incite race wars( see all of the media on how blacks are being killed by white cops; see Michigan water scandal) , have the people start a revolution, chaos/ killing ensues, then clamp down on society with dictatorial marshal law plan! fema camps are just waiting! we got the beginnings of the hunger game plan.

What amazes me is that people are still trying to nail Obama but forget all the other things that every other President did – Iran Contra, arming the Taliban and al Qaeda, Iran, Iraq, etc… They’ve been doing it for decades.

In fact, the 5 nations (plus one) that sit on the UN Security Council, the body in charge of keeping the world safe – US, UN, China, France, Russia and Germany – are the biggest arms dealers on the planet.

Don’t act so surprised and there’s no need for cherry picking…there’s plenty of blame to go around. (y)

What amazes me is that people are still trying to nail Obama but forget all the other things that every other President did – Iran Contra, arming the Taliban and al Qaeda, Iran, Iraq, etc… They’ve been doing it for decades.

In fact, the 5 nations (plus one) that sit on the UN Security Council, the body in charge of keeping the world safe – US, UN, China, France, Russia and Germany – are the biggest arms dealers on the planet.

Don’t act so surprised and there’s no need for cherry picking…there’s plenty of blame to go around. (y)

The government has been letting in drugs from a Mexican cartel as part of a deal made with another cartel for information.
Los Angeles county employees were caught a while back taking children out of homes for fictitious reasons and placing them in foster homes…
People need to realize that government only cares about itself and its global corporate partners because government is a puppet for those truly running the show…

The government has been letting in drugs from a Mexican cartel as part of a deal made with another cartel for information.
Los Angeles county employees were caught a while back taking children out of homes for fictitious reasons and placing them in foster homes…
People need to realize that government only cares about itself and its global corporate partners because government is a puppet for those truly running the show…