EVERYTHING in PTR is subject to change. Everything on the live realms is subject to change. Actually READ your terms and conditions. You have no right to anything. None of what blizzard did goes against your consumer rights.

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Originally Posted by volrat

Yes, but I payed and not played the game for some years now, and honestly i can get tired of it, at some point.
The legal action was just a way to try to get some justice for the many many times this kind of behaviour has mislead thousands of players to subscribe.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that the reason you want legal action is because something in production "mislead" you into subbing, or has the potential to mislead you into subscribing? This seems to be the basis of the argument.

I'm assuming you showed the EULAs, etc, to your legal department. (Out of interest, I'm assuming you're basing off European law, since you have literally no context for the area the action will take place in). This would presumably fall under "misleading advertising"*. Off the top of my head, that would follow under the Consumer Protection Act 2007, which is far far far too big for me to browse at Uni, but not only has no article pertaining to video games/entertainment but you are also misinterpreting the reasons behind the law. The law is so companies can't, say, sell you an exterior hard drive that is actually little more than a USB memory stick inside a dummy box.

*If even that. You don't pay for future content, you pay for current, the PTR is a "gift" and future patches aren't up for sale. The assumption is that there is something in current content that you are willing to part money to experience. I hate to say it, but caveat emptor always applies for the purchase of something based upon expectations in the future. Until it's in the live game, nothing is written in stone, and even though GC said it in a tweet, he also redacted it in a tweet too, so if one is acceptable confirmation, the other must logically be acceptable cancellation.

Again, creative differences, etc etc, but since I don't expect a reply to this message (betting it will be skimmed over entirely like my previous one), all I can say is good luck, you're going to need it.

because some1 from blizzard said it doesn't mean it would be in there.
afaik it wasn't even on the ptr.

Next to none of the questing content was on the PTR; that's always been the way especially with stuff they want to keep under wraps; Theramore's Fall pre-expansion was just such a thing in more recent times. What you're saying is falling into the "It doesn't say I can't" catagory of excuses. They could, and should have been more forthcoming, and I don't see how or why you would want to dispute that. And that's not just true for this questline, but for the other undocumented class changes.

Put simply, it's not good enough and we should all expect better, otherwise their communication wont improve if the likes of you keep apologising for them. They dropped the ball, it's that simple. I'm not advocating lawsuits, but it's certainly not wrong to provide negative feedback over something you're dissatisfied with - and in this case, I feel the OP is right to be unhappy about this given the information already diseminated by Blizzard themselves.

As a warlock of almost 8 years, I would like to politely ask to move the whining elsewhere. Warlocks are in a beautiful position at the moment. Two removed spells that were rather clunky and unnecessary and a delayed green fire aesthetic shows no reflection of that.

Next to none of the questing content was on the PTR; that's always been the way especially with stuff they want to keep under wraps; Theramore's Fall pre-expansion was just such a thing in more recent times. What you're saying is falling into the "It doesn't say I can't" catagory of excuses. They could, and should have been more forthcoming, and I don't see how or why you would want to dispute that. And that's not just true for this questline, but for the other undocumented class changes.

Put simply, it's not good enough and we should all expect better, otherwise their communication wont improve if the likes of you keep apologising for them. They dropped the ball, it's that simple. I'm not advocating lawsuits, but it's certainly not wrong to provide negative feedback over something you're dissatisfied with - and in this case, I feel the OP is right to be unhappy about this given the information already diseminated by Blizzard themselves.

99% of the communication of companys is bad. and some whine people that go trow around lawsuits ain't going help it improve.
and on the front page is a tweet that says it will be in 5.2. so they did communicate.

99% of the communication of companys is bad. and some whine people that go trow around lawsuits ain't going help it improve.
and on the front page is a tweet that says it will be in 5.2. so they did communicate.

After the fact about the questline, yes. And even now they've backpeddled yet further. What about the changes to Cursed Auras/Mannoroth's Fury; Chaos Bolt/Sacrifice; Dark Soul becoming a Curse and the other game-changing but undocumented mechanics?

The communication is self evidently poor and bordering on chaotic. Stop excusing it.

*shakes walking stick* Well back in my day, when you didn't like a video game, you just stopped playing it. No silly law suits, no pretending that they game company is out to get you. You just stopped playing it.

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99% of the communication of companys is bad. and some whine people that go trow around lawsuits ain't going help it improve.
and on the front page is a tweet that says it will be in 5.2. so they did communicate.

They Communicated after the patched dropped.

If Xelnath, was still around we would have heard of this before the patched hit and got a nice little comment saying that its not ready. We would be sad about it and then we would get over it. Just like we will now.

I have no problem with it being delayed. I have an issue with not being told about something that we have been excited about since the first time that codex was data mined. Honestly I could care less that butt load of information on pet battles. But Blizz knows that there are alot of people that are very into them, so they let them know about the changes.

To me it feels like without a Dev like Xelnath with a finger on the warlock community's pulse, they don't know how to behave with us.

Long term, we will all forget about this in a week, so don't stress about something so small.

After the fact about the questline, yes. And even now they've backpeddled yet further. What about the changes to Cursed Auras/Mannoroth's Fury; Chaos Bolt/Sacrifice; Dark Soul becoming a Curse and the other game-changing but undocumented mechanics?

The communication is self evidently poor and bordering on chaotic. Stop excusing it.

i don't know all the change they made to warlock since i play him once on a bluemoon.
but there are more changes that didn't make it to the patch notes. just like every other patch.

and no i'm not defending blizzard or making excuses for them. i just find it strange people go apeshit on a non official forum and going in lawsuits for change that didn't make it to the patch notes.

---------- Post added 2012-11-29 at 04:35 PM ----------

Originally Posted by smegdawg

They Communicated after the patched dropped.

If Xelnath, was still around we would have heard of this before the patched hit and got a nice little comment saying that its not ready. We would be sad about it and then we would get over it. Just like we will now.

I have no problem with it being delayed. I have an issue with not being told about something that we have been excited about since the first time that codex was data mined. Honestly I could care less that butt load of information on pet battles. But Blizz knows that there are alot of people that are very into them, so they let them know about the changes.

To me it feels like without a Dev like Xelnath with a finger on the warlock community's pulse, they don't know how to behave with us.

Long term, we will all forget about this in a week, so don't stress about something so small.

xelnath was a nice guy. but i'm 100% sure blizzard didn't pay him to post stuff on mmo-c.

because no other class got him. and xelnath also leaked some info. that why most devs won't burn there fingers on posting stuff on fan sites.
because it could back fire nasty.

@Loki- I agree, But I am still hopeful that the what he did here would help pave new ground to the way the Devs communicate with us. Maybe not necessarily to the extent that Xel did but at least for those issues that the community is passionate about.

Hell Twitter could be considered a fan-site at this point as its not the 'Official WoW Website' and the devs use it pretty regularly to communicate things .

@Loki- I agree, But I am still hopeful that the what he did here would help pave new ground to the way the Devs communicate with us. Maybe not necessarily to the extent that Xel did but at least for those issues that the community is passionate about.

Hell Twitter could be considered a fan-site at this point as its not the 'Official WoW Website' and the devs use it pretty regularly to communicate things .

twitter is indeed kinda like a fan site. and there is more info to be found on twitter then on the official forums.

@Loki- I agree, But I am still hopeful that the what he did here would help pave new ground to the way the Devs communicate with us. Maybe not necessarily to the extent that Xel did but at least for those issues that the community is passionate about.

You mean, get fired for it? Yeah, can see loads of 'em rushing to MMO-C in the future