A MOTORCYCLIST has died and another seriously injured after a horrific collision with a horse on the A31 near Ringwood on Wednesday night.

A spokesperson for Hampshire Police said at 11pm on Wednesday: "A motorcyclist has died following a serious road traffic collision on the A31 westbound near Ringwood shortly after 6.15pm on Wednesday, January 22.

"Two motorcyclists were in collision with a horse and came off their bikes.

"The men were taken by ambulance to hospital. One of the men has subsequently died of his injuries and the other is in a serious condition.

"The road is currently closed while police investigate the collision and diversions are in place.

"The circumstances of the collision and how the horse came to be on the road are under investigation.

A Highways Agency spokesman said: “Our sympathies are with the family and friends of those involved in the incident that took place on the A31 near Ringwood last night.

“An investigation into the cause of the incident is being carried out by Hampshire Police and, as such, it would be inappropriate for the Highways Agency to comment on the cause.”

"As a result of a review of signage on the A31 between Picket Post and Ashley Heath near Ringwood, we are currently designing signs to enhance awareness and provide better information. We are on schedule to make these improvements by the end of 2014 at the latest."

Colin Draper, from the Verderers of the New Forest, the organisation that works to protect and administer the area’s agricultural communing practices, said police and agisters were investigating what happened.

“We now that there was a pony involved and it appears to have got onto the carriageway from the forest.

“We’re obviously very anxious to know how it got there, but at the moment we just don’t know.”

Desmond Swayne, MP for New Forest West, said: “I’m very concerned to hear that another person has died on that stretch of road and it must have been a ghastly experience for those stuck there.

“I hope that there’s a full analysis of exactly what happened.”

The incident took place on the westbound part of the dual carriageway, just half a mile from the Picket Post services.

At one time least a dozen emergency vehicles were seen heading the scene.

Hundreds of motorists are trapped on the major road as a result of the road closure.

Police officers were seen searching the undergrowth along the road as motorists got out of their cars whilst stuck in the gridlock.

The incident caused huge delays for motorists heading from Southampton on to Bournemouth, who were advised to find another route home.

There were also huge tailbacks across the New Forest getting into Lyndhurst at Emery Down.

The crash happened just after 6pm, an hour after the escaped horse had already brought traffic to a standstill.

Police earlier created a route through the debris caused by the crash between the two motorcycles and a horse in a bid to free the drivers who had been trapped on the A31 since 5.30pm.

The A31 was closed and the M27 was closed as far back at junction 2 to allow for better diversion routes for motorists.

Those trapped on the A31 were warned that the road would be closed for several more hours, fearing a long night stuck in their cars, but slowly motorists are being guided past the crash site.

A motorist, who has been stuck in his car for more than three hours, said: “Police have now created a route through the debris left by two motorcyclists that appeared to have crashed.

“Drivers are having to drive carefully through scattered parts of the bikes using both lanes, with police using flash lights to direct the traffic.

“The two bikes, one yellow and one red, are lying on their sides, on opposite sides of the road on the westbound side of the dual carriageway, with a great deal of small sections of the machines scattered everywhere.”

One motorist reported trapped cars were doing "U turns and going wrong way as no police instructions."

Vera Jardine said: "My daughter amongst lots of other travellers, has now been sat in the dark, no drink, no food, no facilities alone in her car for a total of 5 and a half hours so far and still has not moved.

"I realise the severity of the accident but surely something could have been done far earlier.

"Fortunately she is fit and healthy. I fear for the fragile and young in a similar dilemma.

"Just heard from her again. Still hasn't moved. First stopped about 5.45 pm."

Comments (97)

Son just called in after leaving Southampton at 17.45hrs he said he has never seen so many emergency vehicles counting 11 ambulances and as many police vehicles,he believed there had been a horrendous pile up, thankfully it seems not to be the case.

Son just called in after leaving Southampton at 17.45hrs he said he has never seen so many emergency vehicles counting 11 ambulances and as many police vehicles,he believed there had been a horrendous pile up, thankfully it seems not to be the case.retry69

As a horse owner etc there are way too many hoses getting killed on roads, PLEASE check your fencing daily, do not wait till its too late! Hope the bike riders are not too seriously injured

As a horse owner etc there are way too many hoses getting killed on roads, PLEASE check your fencing daily, do not wait till its too late! Hope the bike riders are not too seriously injuredBoscombe Warrior

Depends on the information given to the ambulance control? They don't have crystal balls!!

Thoughts to those involved!

[quote][p][bold]cheeriedriteup[/bold] wrote:
Why 11 ambulances ?[/p][/quote]Depends on the information given to the ambulance control? They don't have crystal balls!!
Thoughts to those involved!Dorset Mitch

I left Southampton at 6.30pm and arrived in Poole at 9.30pm, passing junction 2 westbound just before 7pm. Three hours to do that journey is the worst I have ever known it in my experience.

There were many emergency vehicles at the scene by 7pm. So why were the large gantry signs before junction 2 not telling us to get off the M27/A31 before it was too late for thousands of cars?

I understand that it is a horrible experience for everybody involved. However information such as this should have been out way before it was, and radio stations such as Grave FM and Radio Solent are no help at all as the report did not indicate sufficient information in time to avoid it.

I left Southampton at 6.30pm and arrived in Poole at 9.30pm, passing junction 2 westbound just before 7pm. Three hours to do that journey is the worst I have ever known it in my experience.
There were many emergency vehicles at the scene by 7pm. So why were the large gantry signs before junction 2 not telling us to get off the M27/A31 before it was too late for thousands of cars?
I understand that it is a horrible experience for everybody involved. However information such as this should have been out way before it was, and radio stations such as Grave FM and Radio Solent are no help at all as the report did not indicate sufficient information in time to avoid it.Reader Echo

Depends on the information given to the ambulance control? They don't have crystal balls!!

Thoughts to those involved!

I feel for those involved and hope they recover fully and quickly, but surely the info given can be no more than 2 bikers, 1 horse, is 11 ambulances sent because multiple phone calls have been received ,? If so this needs looking at, the motorcyclist need the best medical assistance available but surely others elsewhere may need some medical care also, I seem to hear the term ' in times of austerity " a lot over the last few years, maybe just maybe a little tighter management is needed here, or is it a case of scramble all medics to every accident . I'm sorry but I really need a little help to understand this one

[quote][p][bold]Dorset Mitch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cheeriedriteup[/bold] wrote:
Why 11 ambulances ?[/p][/quote]Depends on the information given to the ambulance control? They don't have crystal balls!!
Thoughts to those involved![/p][/quote]I feel for those involved and hope they recover fully and quickly, but surely the info given can be no more than 2 bikers, 1 horse, is 11 ambulances sent because multiple phone calls have been received ,? If so this needs looking at, the motorcyclist need the best medical assistance available but surely others elsewhere may need some medical care also, I seem to hear the term ' in times of austerity " a lot over the last few years, maybe just maybe a little tighter management is needed here, or is it a case of scramble all medics to every accident . I'm sorry but I really need a little help to understand this onecheeriedriteup

The report says the traffic was brought to a standstill an hour before by the escaped horse....is this correct or a misprint by the Echo?

I only ask as how did the two motorcyclists hit the horse if traffic was already stationary.

Either way hope the m/cyclists recover fully from injuries.

The report says the traffic was brought to a standstill an hour before by the escaped horse....is this correct or a misprint by the Echo?
I only ask as how did the two motorcyclists hit the horse if traffic was already stationary.
Either way hope the m/cyclists recover fully from injuries.bobthedestroyer

A friend of mine was travelling from Fareham to Bournemouth.He telephoned me and said ' that he was stuck in traffic as a horse had escaped onto the carriageway.Then while being stuck his car failed.However, he didn't realise the serious nature of what had transpired.he did say he was getting update via the radio as i was communicating with him but he did not mention they're had been a serious accident.For all involved this must have been horrific and to be on a motorcycle and collide with a horse the impact must of been horrendous,One must take thought of the motorcyclists involved and the trauma and injuries they have suffered.

A friend of mine was travelling from Fareham to Bournemouth.He telephoned me and said ' that he was stuck in traffic as a horse had escaped onto the carriageway.Then while being stuck his car failed.However, he didn't realise the serious nature of what had transpired.he did say he was getting update via the radio as i was communicating with him but he did not mention they're had been a serious accident.For all involved this must have been horrific and to be on a motorcycle and collide with a horse the impact must of been horrendous,One must take thought of the motorcyclists involved and the trauma and injuries they have suffered.politicaltrainspotter

got caught up in that traffic jam for 3 hours, got turned around and sent back to junction 1 then I went through to fordingbrige 25 min no problem, a policeman told me someone had died hope he got that wrong

got caught up in that traffic jam for 3 hours, got turned around and sent back to junction 1 then I went through to fordingbrige 25 min no problem, a policeman told me someone had died hope he got that wrongtimbo6969

I have friends who work in Cadnam and are still not home in Bournemouth. I know it's a massive inconvenience to a lot of people being stuck for hours but I'm sure they'll get over it and hopefully no permanent damage done. I just hope the motorcyclist riders will make a full recovery as I've been told that one has died, I just hope this is a horrible rumour as its come from people at the scene in the queue. This is time to prey and hope this rumour isn't true and let the police do their job in finding out what and why this has happened. My thoughts are with everyone involved including the emergency services.

I have friends who work in Cadnam and are still not home in Bournemouth. I know it's a massive inconvenience to a lot of people being stuck for hours but I'm sure they'll get over it and hopefully no permanent damage done. I just hope the motorcyclist riders will make a full recovery as I've been told that one has died, I just hope this is a horrible rumour as its come from people at the scene in the queue. This is time to prey and hope this rumour isn't true and let the police do their job in finding out what and why this has happened. My thoughts are with everyone involved including the emergency services.ScoobyVic

Just got in four and half hours late. Very tired, not a lot of information. There was an unlockable barrier near where we were stopped, Surely there should be some contingency to put in contraflow in these situations. Thoughts are with the bikers and their families.

Just got in four and half hours late. Very tired, not a lot of information. There was an unlockable barrier near where we were stopped, Surely there should be some contingency to put in contraflow in these situations. Thoughts are with the bikers and their families.markofsoton

my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery

my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recoverynotapeopleperson

Really sad to hear one of the motorcyclists has died, just praying the other pulls through :(
A horse can be replaced but a dad, Brother, Uncle or son cannot, my thoughts are with all affected tonight x

Really sad to hear one of the motorcyclists has died, just praying the other pulls through :(
A horse can be replaced but a dad, Brother, Uncle or son cannot, my thoughts are with all affected tonight xBoscombe Warrior

notapeopleperson wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery

mate you sound like the whinger ( never drive up a dual carridge way the wrong way unless directed by a police officer) next you telling me you never drove over the speed limit

[quote][p][bold]notapeopleperson[/bold] wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery[/p][/quote]mate you sound like the whinger ( never drive up a dual carridge way the wrong way unless directed by a police officer) next you telling me you never drove over the speed limittimbo6969

My sympathies go out to the motorcyclist who died & their family at this sad time, an awful tragedy & hope that the other motorcyclist makes a speedy recovery. I also feel for the horse involved, there has been no mention on it & I for one would like to know that it has been found & either treated or euthanized if the impact didn't kill it.

My sympathies go out to the motorcyclist who died & their family at this sad time, an awful tragedy & hope that the other motorcyclist makes a speedy recovery. I also feel for the horse involved, there has been no mention on it & I for one would like to know that it has been found & either treated or euthanized if the impact didn't kill it.teri10

Being stuck in traffic for a few hours without food or water? Spare a thought for the bikers families, sat in a warm car and inconvenienced for a short time is nothing. Blame this, blame that, just be quiet and show some respect.

Being stuck in traffic for a few hours without food or water? Spare a thought for the bikers families, sat in a warm car and inconvenienced for a short time is nothing. Blame this, blame that, just be quiet and show some respect.Busa13

I agree with above, however I think the A31 isn't fit for purpose anymore judging by the numerous incidents that occur on it. How the hell did a horse get onto it? is the road fenced off along its length? Its another tragic incident on a road that Is blighted by it, and has needlessly taken many lives. I know individual drivers must share some responsibility. I travel on the road a lot and have not seen any improvement in it at all, indeed the surface is getting worse and delays more numerous. How many more lives will it take for the Highways Agency, whom are meant to be managing the route, improve it? It connects a major conurbation with the rest of the country. The commoners were wrong, the road should of been re-aligned and the M27 extended to Ashley Heath.

I agree with above, however I think the A31 isn't fit for purpose anymore judging by the numerous incidents that occur on it. How the hell did a horse get onto it? is the road fenced off along its length? Its another tragic incident on a road that Is blighted by it, and has needlessly taken many lives. I know individual drivers must share some responsibility. I travel on the road a lot and have not seen any improvement in it at all, indeed the surface is getting worse and delays more numerous. How many more lives will it take for the Highways Agency, whom are meant to be managing the route, improve it? It connects a major conurbation with the rest of the country. The commoners were wrong, the road should of been re-aligned and the M27 extended to Ashley Heath.b26b

Having made a comment before the news of the motorcyclist was killed.Perhaps in cases like this the Daily Echo should suspend comments on subject like this as family, friends and relatives might read them.

We all share sympathy with those that are grievng but i now think a bit of humanity and sensitivity should take order.

Having made a comment before the news of the motorcyclist was killed.Perhaps in cases like this the Daily Echo should suspend comments on subject like this as family, friends and relatives might read them.
We all share sympathy with those that are grievng but i now think a bit of humanity and sensitivity should take order.politicaltrainspotter

I was in the initial traffic queue around 5.45 when it reached a standstill because of the escaped horse. I can't work out when traffic was trawling along that 2 motorcyclists were going fast enough not to realise what was going on and slow down.......a horse is a big animal!
5/6 hours is a long time for children and the elderly with no phone signal.
The amount of emergency services sent was ridiculous as was the co-ordination getting people back on the road.
If you weren't there......don't comment.

I was in the initial traffic queue around 5.45 when it reached a standstill because of the escaped horse. I can't work out when traffic was trawling along that 2 motorcyclists were going fast enough not to realise what was going on and slow down.......a horse is a big animal!
5/6 hours is a long time for children and the elderly with no phone signal.
The amount of emergency services sent was ridiculous as was the co-ordination getting people back on the road.
If you weren't there......don't comment.wkd8171

I can't believe the callousness of those people moaning about being inconvenienced. A family have lost s loved one. Someone has dued sbd you're home later than planned. RIP to the gentleman and speedy recovery to his friend. The repercussions for their families will go on while we continue our lives.

I can't believe the callousness of those people moaning about being inconvenienced. A family have lost s loved one. Someone has dued sbd you're home later than planned. RIP to the gentleman and speedy recovery to his friend. The repercussions for their families will go on while we continue our lives.sammmymac

I can't believe the callousness of those people moaning about being inconvenienced. A family have lost loved one. Someone has died and you're home later than planned. RIP to the gentleman and speedy recovery to his friend. The repercussions for their families will go on while we continue our lives. N

I can't believe the callousness of those people moaning about being inconvenienced. A family have lost loved one. Someone has died and you're home later than planned. RIP to the gentleman and speedy recovery to his friend. The repercussions for their families will go on while we continue our lives. Nsammmymac

notapeopleperson wrote: my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery

mate you sound like the whinger ( never drive up a dual carridge way the wrong way unless directed by a police officer) next you telling me you never drove over the speed limit

hmmm let me guess youre one of the muppets that likes to drive the wrong way up dual carriageways, and no not a whinger "mate" just someone with a bit of common sense who has seen one to many road traffic incident's, just out of curosity say you were driving home and you had a head on with someone who had turned around?! and RIP to the biker that didnt make it lets hope the other recovers

[quote][p][bold]timbo6969[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]notapeopleperson[/bold] wrote: my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery[/p][/quote]mate you sound like the whinger ( never drive up a dual carridge way the wrong way unless directed by a police officer) next you telling me you never drove over the speed limit[/p][/quote]hmmm let me guess youre one of the muppets that likes to drive the wrong way up dual carriageways, and no not a whinger "mate" just someone with a bit of common sense who has seen one to many road traffic incident's, just out of curosity say you were driving home and you had a head on with someone who had turned around?! and RIP to the biker that didnt make it lets hope the other recoversnotapeopleperson

sammmymac wrote:
I can't believe the callousness of those people moaning about being inconvenienced. A family have lost loved one. Someone has died and you're home later than planned. RIP to the gentleman and speedy recovery to his friend. The repercussions for their families will go on while we continue our lives. N

That's true, sammmymac, and most people have every sympathy for the families and the victims of this tragedy, but that doesn't alter the fact that there are clearly some questions that need to be answered. I haven't seen any credible explanation for eleven ambulances. I do fear that the actual reason might be because there is a lack of centraliation of 999 operators and services, and it's quite likely that the 999 calls from several different people went through to service providers in different parts of the country, even though that's not supposed to happen, and each one responded in its own way without knowing what others were doing. With two injured humans, and a badly hurt horse, I should have thought that at least six of those ambulances were surplus to requirements and could have been attending to other emergencies.

The disgraceful lack of notification is also an issue that needs following up. Local traffic reports are conspicuous by their absence after 6:00 pm - why should that be? - and other correspondents have said that there were no messages on illuminated signs - again, why not? The signs as far back as Winchester should have been been signalling the hour-or-more delay over the A31, so that motorists headed in that direction could plan their journey accordingly. The route up through the Forest and over to Fordingbridge would have been an obvious alternative - why was no diversion put in place?

These and more questions spring to mind, and asking them doesn't indicate callousness or any lack of concern on my part. For heavens sake, why does an emergency always bring the county to a halt?

[quote][p][bold]sammmymac[/bold] wrote:
I can't believe the callousness of those people moaning about being inconvenienced. A family have lost loved one. Someone has died and you're home later than planned. RIP to the gentleman and speedy recovery to his friend. The repercussions for their families will go on while we continue our lives. N[/p][/quote]That's true, sammmymac, and most people have every sympathy for the families and the victims of this tragedy, but that doesn't alter the fact that there are clearly some questions that need to be answered. I haven't seen any credible explanation for eleven ambulances. I do fear that the actual reason might be because there is a lack of centraliation of 999 operators and services, and it's quite likely that the 999 calls from several different people went through to service providers in different parts of the country, even though that's not supposed to happen, and each one responded in its own way without knowing what others were doing. With two injured humans, and a badly hurt horse, I should have thought that at least six of those ambulances were surplus to requirements and could have been attending to other emergencies.
The disgraceful lack of notification is also an issue that needs following up. Local traffic reports are conspicuous by their absence after 6:00 pm - why should that be? - and other correspondents have said that there were no messages on illuminated signs - again, why not? The signs as far back as Winchester should have been been signalling the hour-or-more delay over the A31, so that motorists headed in that direction could plan their journey accordingly. The route up through the Forest and over to Fordingbridge would have been an obvious alternative - why was no diversion put in place?
These and more questions spring to mind, and asking them doesn't indicate callousness or any lack of concern on my part. For heavens sake, why does an emergency always bring the county to a halt?Nigel Blumenthal

wkd8171 wrote:
I was in the initial traffic queue around 5.45 when it reached a standstill because of the escaped horse. I can't work out when traffic was trawling along that 2 motorcyclists were going fast enough not to realise what was going on and slow down.......a horse is a big animal!
5/6 hours is a long time for children and the elderly with no phone signal.
The amount of emergency services sent was ridiculous as was the co-ordination getting people back on the road.
If you weren't there......don't comment.

The job of the police is to keep society moving - not use their authority to cause maximum chaos. Seen all to often these days yet other countries seem to carry on business as usual.

[quote][p][bold]wkd8171[/bold] wrote:
I was in the initial traffic queue around 5.45 when it reached a standstill because of the escaped horse. I can't work out when traffic was trawling along that 2 motorcyclists were going fast enough not to realise what was going on and slow down.......a horse is a big animal!
5/6 hours is a long time for children and the elderly with no phone signal.
The amount of emergency services sent was ridiculous as was the co-ordination getting people back on the road.
If you weren't there......don't comment.[/p][/quote]The job of the police is to keep society moving - not use their authority to cause maximum chaos. Seen all to often these days yet other countries seem to carry on business as usual.Phixer

wkd8171 wrote:
I was in the initial traffic queue around 5.45 when it reached a standstill because of the escaped horse. I can't work out when traffic was trawling along that 2 motorcyclists were going fast enough not to realise what was going on and slow down.......a horse is a big animal!
5/6 hours is a long time for children and the elderly with no phone signal.
The amount of emergency services sent was ridiculous as was the co-ordination getting people back on the road.
If you weren't there......don't comment.

The job of the police is to keep society moving - not use their authority to cause maximum chaos. Seen all to often these days yet other countries seem to carry on business as usual.

I thought they were there to make sure the road is safe and investigate the accident. Silly misguided me.

[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]wkd8171[/bold] wrote:
I was in the initial traffic queue around 5.45 when it reached a standstill because of the escaped horse. I can't work out when traffic was trawling along that 2 motorcyclists were going fast enough not to realise what was going on and slow down.......a horse is a big animal!
5/6 hours is a long time for children and the elderly with no phone signal.
The amount of emergency services sent was ridiculous as was the co-ordination getting people back on the road.
If you weren't there......don't comment.[/p][/quote]The job of the police is to keep society moving - not use their authority to cause maximum chaos. Seen all to often these days yet other countries seem to carry on business as usual.[/p][/quote]I thought they were there to make sure the road is safe and investigate the accident. Silly misguided me.tbpoole

I would hazard a guess that the horse escaped off the forest because some of the fencing - which the Highways Authority is responsible for- is really poor in places. Perhaps now someone in authority will take some notice and do what a lot of people have been campaigning for for a long time - renew the fences adequately. This is a terribly tragic situation and I feel for all the families involved, the police who have to deal with the situation, and the forestry people who will have to scrape said horse off the road, most unpleasant

I would hazard a guess that the horse escaped off the forest because some of the fencing - which the Highways Authority is responsible for- is really poor in places. Perhaps now someone in authority will take some notice and do what a lot of people have been campaigning for for a long time - renew the fences adequately. This is a terribly tragic situation and I feel for all the families involved, the police who have to deal with the situation, and the forestry people who will have to scrape said horse off the road, most unpleasantMunchkinn

"The crash happened just after 6pm, an hour after the escaped horse had already brought traffic to a standstill."

So this horse was causing traffic chaos for an hour before the accident happened, you would have thought that the police would have been informed and dealt with it within that hour. I am somewhat baffled as to how two motorcycles can be traveling at such speed to cause the death of one person and a horse in traffic that was apparently at a standstill, something doesn't ring true there.

"The crash happened just after 6pm, an hour after the escaped horse had already brought traffic to a standstill."
So this horse was causing traffic chaos for an hour before the accident happened, you would have thought that the police would have been informed and dealt with it within that hour. I am somewhat baffled as to how two motorcycles can be traveling at such speed to cause the death of one person and a horse in traffic that was apparently at a standstill, something doesn't ring true there.Marty Caine UKIP

To all those who have nothing better to do than assume what happened and make ridiculous comments. Have you ever attended and been in command of a serious injury or fatal road traffic collision? I guess not!!! One thing is for sure, in order of priority, queuing traffic is way down the list of actions unless it is impeding the emergency services in dealing with the incident. The first priority is to save life, the second is to prevent further injury, and the third is to preserve evidence at the scene so as not to impede any investigation. This actually allows the Police to not only report anyone for subsequent prosecution if necessary but to keep the family and friends fully informed of how their loved ones either died or became seriously injured. The reason that sometimes so many emergency service vehicles attend is because the respective control centres have to respond to information received from the public, sometimes not knowing where they actually are or the full details of what has happened. In some instances two collisions have occurred on that stretch of road where the emergency services thought was it was all the same incident, so they respond on the side of caution. Finally, access can be impeded by queuing traffic therefore additional resources may be sent to approach from other directions to ensure the fastest response. Now unless you have got something useful to say in addition to your condolences I suggest you wind it in!

To all those who have nothing better to do than assume what happened and make ridiculous comments. Have you ever attended and been in command of a serious injury or fatal road traffic collision? I guess not!!! One thing is for sure, in order of priority, queuing traffic is way down the list of actions unless it is impeding the emergency services in dealing with the incident. The first priority is to save life, the second is to prevent further injury, and the third is to preserve evidence at the scene so as not to impede any investigation. This actually allows the Police to not only report anyone for subsequent prosecution if necessary but to keep the family and friends fully informed of how their loved ones either died or became seriously injured. The reason that sometimes so many emergency service vehicles attend is because the respective control centres have to respond to information received from the public, sometimes not knowing where they actually are or the full details of what has happened. In some instances two collisions have occurred on that stretch of road where the emergency services thought was it was all the same incident, so they respond on the side of caution. Finally, access can be impeded by queuing traffic therefore additional resources may be sent to approach from other directions to ensure the fastest response. Now unless you have got something useful to say in addition to your condolences I suggest you wind it in!adspacebroker

Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason!

Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason!gafferuk1981

politicaltrainspotte
r wrote:
Having made a comment before the news of the motorcyclist was killed.Perhaps in cases like this the Daily Echo should suspend comments on subject like this as family, friends and relatives might read them.

We all share sympathy with those that are grievng but i now think a bit of humanity and sensitivity should take order.

Excellent very good, yes Echo, take note , this is a point you should take on board.

[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte
r[/bold] wrote:
Having made a comment before the news of the motorcyclist was killed.Perhaps in cases like this the Daily Echo should suspend comments on subject like this as family, friends and relatives might read them.
We all share sympathy with those that are grievng but i now think a bit of humanity and sensitivity should take order.[/p][/quote]Excellent very good, yes Echo, take note , this is a point you should take on board.skydriver

The road hasn't been fit for purpose for 20 years, and has long needed to be improved to motorway standard. The volume of traffic is too great for a (poorly maintained - clearly) dual carriageway to take.

We don't know the full circumstances of how these bikers had the accident despite traffic being stationary, but thoughts go to the families of the killed/injured persons. And the poor horse come to think of it!

How many more serious incidents are we going to have on this road before something is done to improve it?

The road hasn't been fit for purpose for 20 years, and has long needed to be improved to motorway standard. The volume of traffic is too great for a (poorly maintained - clearly) dual carriageway to take.
We don't know the full circumstances of how these bikers had the accident despite traffic being stationary, but thoughts go to the families of the killed/injured persons. And the poor horse come to think of it!
How many more serious incidents are we going to have on this road before something is done to improve it?mark.s

2 hours Noodles? Try 6.5 hours, with no phone signal, no food and a 1 year old baby. No communication from the Police, no real intelligence on the web, quite literally left in the dark in the freezing fog.

Although driving along the dual carriageway in the wrong direction at 1am was quite an experience...

2 hours Noodles? Try 6.5 hours, with no phone signal, no food and a 1 year old baby. No communication from the Police, no real intelligence on the web, quite literally left in the dark in the freezing fog.
Although driving along the dual carriageway in the wrong direction at 1am was quite an experience...toesofcontroversy

I passed the area about 10mins before the accident occurred, a police car had stopped at the side of the road and a police officer was standing near a gate... Wonder if the horse got spooked and bolted???

I passed the area about 10mins before the accident occurred, a police car had stopped at the side of the road and a police officer was standing near a gate... Wonder if the horse got spooked and bolted???LindaN83

My heart goes out the the family's who have lost a loved one, also to the the others in Hospital.
Bikers always get bad feed back, there are far, far more bad car drivers out there than bikers please bear this in mind !!!!

My heart goes out the the family's who have lost a loved one, also to the the others in Hospital.
Bikers always get bad feed back, there are far, far more bad car drivers out there than bikers please bear this in mind !!!!jacs140@btinternet.com

Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.

Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.billywash

Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people "assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.

Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people "assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.kinderlingers

Words fail us at the STUPIDITY of other motorists and the lack of care or compassion of the incident, especially when one man had died and another is critical. If your going on a journey, always carry a bottle of water just in case you are trapped in traffic, or heaven forbid its someone you know involved!
"One motorist reported trapped cars were doing "U turns and going wrong way as no police instructions."
He added: "Accident clearly awful but @hantspolice making situ (situation) worse."
Vera Jardine said: "My daughter amongst lots of other travellers, has now been sat in the dark, no drink, no food, no facilities alone in her car for a total of 5 and a half hours so far and still has not moved."
vanah.horses

Words fail us at the STUPIDITY of other motorists and the lack of care or compassion of the incident, especially when one man had died and another is critical. If your going on a journey, always carry a bottle of water just in case you are trapped in traffic, or heaven forbid its someone you know involved!
"One motorist reported trapped cars were doing "U turns and going wrong way as no police instructions."
He added: "Accident clearly awful but @hantspolice making situ (situation) worse."
Vera Jardine said: "My daughter amongst lots of other travellers, has now been sat in the dark, no drink, no food, no facilities alone in her car for a total of 5 and a half hours so far and still has not moved."
vanah.horsesVanah.Horses

As soon as the unqualified started apportioning blame, the Echo should have put a halt to further comments until such times as more up to date information had been received. Its appalling how readers can summise what is happening, and what has happened, without being there. As for those caught up in the traffic chaos, one does feel for them, but it is done for a reason, although it appears that some modes of vehicle did not take heed, and drove through, ending in a sad loss and injury.

One aid to this sought of chaos is to have locked barriers at equal distance along the carriage way that can be opened by the Police or Highways People, to allow vehicles to be controlled, and turned back in the right direction with the flow of traffic in the opposite lanes. The Motorway Controllers were also at fault for not displaying the information of diversions in good time. Perhaps there was a failure to communicate.

My condolences to the family and friends of the Motorcyclist who passed away. May he rest in peace.

As soon as the unqualified started apportioning blame, the Echo should have put a halt to further comments until such times as more up to date information had been received. Its appalling how readers can summise what is happening, and what has happened, without being there. As for those caught up in the traffic chaos, one does feel for them, but it is done for a reason, although it appears that some modes of vehicle did not take heed, and drove through, ending in a sad loss and injury.
One aid to this sought of chaos is to have locked barriers at equal distance along the carriage way that can be opened by the Police or Highways People, to allow vehicles to be controlled, and turned back in the right direction with the flow of traffic in the opposite lanes. The Motorway Controllers were also at fault for not displaying the information of diversions in good time. Perhaps there was a failure to communicate.
My condolences to the family and friends of the Motorcyclist who passed away. May he rest in peace.TheDistrict

notapeopleperson wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery

But don't you think the motorcyclists should have been patient and waited with the traffic, then there probably wouldn't have been an accident at all.

[quote][p][bold]notapeopleperson[/bold] wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery[/p][/quote]But don't you think the motorcyclists should have been patient and waited with the traffic, then there probably wouldn't have been an accident at all.microhorse

notapeopleperson wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery

But don't you think the motorcyclists should have been patient and waited with the traffic, then there probably wouldn't have been an accident at all.

[quote][p][bold]notapeopleperson[/bold] wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery[/p][/quote]But don't you think the motorcyclists should have been patient and waited with the traffic, then there probably wouldn't have been an accident at all.microhorse

notapeopleperson wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery

But don't you think the motorcyclists should have been patient and waited with the traffic, then there probably wouldn't have been an accident at all.

[quote][p][bold]notapeopleperson[/bold] wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery[/p][/quote]But don't you think the motorcyclists should have been patient and waited with the traffic, then there probably wouldn't have been an accident at all.microhorse

kinderlingers wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people &quot;assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.

Thank you! Someone with common sense! Everyone I've said this to thinks I'm just being malicious when I say it was the motorcyclists own fault they are where they are now and that they killed a horse.

[quote][p][bold]kinderlingers[/bold] wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people "assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.[/p][/quote]Thank you! Someone with common sense! Everyone I've said this to thinks I'm just being malicious when I say it was the motorcyclists own fault they are where they are now and that they killed a horse.microhorse

jacs140@btinternet.c
om wrote:
My heart goes out the the family's who have lost a loved one, also to the the others in Hospital.
Bikers always get bad feed back, there are far, far more bad car drivers out there than bikers please bear this in mind !!!!

Oh yeah, that is precisely why cars were weaving through stopped traffic and caused an accident!

[quote][p][bold]jacs140@btinternet.c
om[/bold] wrote:
My heart goes out the the family's who have lost a loved one, also to the the others in Hospital.
Bikers always get bad feed back, there are far, far more bad car drivers out there than bikers please bear this in mind !!!![/p][/quote]Oh yeah, that is precisely why cars were weaving through stopped traffic and caused an accident!microhorse

please don't assume to know what happened, unless you were there. Please don't 'blame' the bikers, until all the facts are known. It was dark, there were patches of mist, there was a horse loose. The initial reports said that only one lane was closed while police look for a horse.
I was stuck in the traffic for a long time, but managed to get off the A31 from the last turning at emery down before the crash. The police have to investigate and everything needs to be recovered. I do feel sorry for the drivers stranded for 5-7 hours. But as the M27 was closed, couldn't cars have been turned round and sent back to candnam - surely that would take one police car? and then the whole 8 mile stretch would have been car free for easy access for the police?

please don't assume to know what happened, unless you were there. Please don't 'blame' the bikers, until all the facts are known. It was dark, there were patches of mist, there was a horse loose. The initial reports said that only one lane was closed while police look for a horse.
I was stuck in the traffic for a long time, but managed to get off the A31 from the last turning at emery down before the crash. The police have to investigate and everything needs to be recovered. I do feel sorry for the drivers stranded for 5-7 hours. But as the M27 was closed, couldn't cars have been turned round and sent back to candnam - surely that would take one police car? and then the whole 8 mile stretch would have been car free for easy access for the police?chiesa

kinderlingers wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people &quot;assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.

Thank you! Someone with common sense! Everyone I've said this to thinks I'm just being malicious when I say it was the motorcyclists own fault they are where they are now and that they killed a horse.

Your making an assumption that the queued cars were right in front of the horse and the horse was kind enough to stand still in the middle of the road while someone came to retrieve it?

I have my own theory on what might have happened but it is just that, a theory so i'm going to keep it to myself.

[quote][p][bold]microhorse[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kinderlingers[/bold] wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people "assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.[/p][/quote]Thank you! Someone with common sense! Everyone I've said this to thinks I'm just being malicious when I say it was the motorcyclists own fault they are where they are now and that they killed a horse.[/p][/quote]Your making an assumption that the queued cars were right in front of the horse and the horse was kind enough to stand still in the middle of the road while someone came to retrieve it?
I have my own theory on what might have happened but it is just that, a theory so i'm going to keep it to myself.BarrHumbug

Boscombe Warrior wrote:
Really sad to hear one of the motorcyclists has died, just praying the other pulls through :(
A horse can be replaced but a dad, Brother, Uncle or son cannot, my thoughts are with all affected tonight x

A horse can be replaced?
A human can be replaced!
That horse might'e been someone's pet. Animals are family just as much as humans are.

[quote][p][bold]Boscombe Warrior[/bold] wrote:
Really sad to hear one of the motorcyclists has died, just praying the other pulls through :(
A horse can be replaced but a dad, Brother, Uncle or son cannot, my thoughts are with all affected tonight x[/p][/quote]A horse can be replaced?
A human can be replaced!
That horse might'e been someone's pet. Animals are family just as much as humans are.microhorse

PLEASE READ SOUTHAMPTON ECHO. TRAFFIC WAS MOVING AGAIN WHEN THE ACCIDENT HAPPENED, STOP BEING SO RUDE AND IGNORANT. SOMEONE HAS DIED.

" The drama first started to unfold just after 5pm when police received reports of a horse on the loose on the A31, close to Picket Post.

Chaos ensued as officers took to the road on foot to search for the runaway nag, while motorists heading westbound were forced to a standstill as the search got under way.

Frustrated drivers had no option but to sit in their cars and wait as they watched officers with flashlights scouring through bushes and undergrowth for the lost horse.

But an hour later, it seemed as though they had everything under control. The traffic began to move and two motorcycles were seen surging forward in the traffic.

However, moments later, those motorists relieved to be moving were brought to an abrupt halt and there they remained for several hours as emergency services flocked to the area from all directions. "

PLEASE READ SOUTHAMPTON ECHO. TRAFFIC WAS MOVING AGAIN WHEN THE ACCIDENT HAPPENED, STOP BEING SO RUDE AND IGNORANT. SOMEONE HAS DIED.
" The drama first started to unfold just after 5pm when police received reports of a horse on the loose on the A31, close to Picket Post.
Chaos ensued as officers took to the road on foot to search for the runaway nag, while motorists heading westbound were forced to a standstill as the search got under way.
Frustrated drivers had no option but to sit in their cars and wait as they watched officers with flashlights scouring through bushes and undergrowth for the lost horse.
But an hour later, it seemed as though they had everything under control. The traffic began to move and two motorcycles were seen surging forward in the traffic.
However, moments later, those motorists relieved to be moving were brought to an abrupt halt and there they remained for several hours as emergency services flocked to the area from all directions. "R1Dan.

PS: It didn't happen in the forest where livestock can roam free! so stop going on about people need to slow down and watch out for animals.

70MPH road, Police cleared it and a horse came out of nowhere.

You guys do the math.

PS: It didn't happen in the forest where livestock can roam free! so stop going on about people need to slow down and watch out for animals.
70MPH road, Police cleared it and a horse came out of nowhere.
You guys do the math.R1Dan.

gafferuk1981 wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason!

Sounds like you are one of those stupid drivers who knocks motorcyclists off because you do not use mirrors or indicators.

[quote][p][bold]gafferuk1981[/bold] wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason![/p][/quote]Sounds like you are one of those stupid drivers who knocks motorcyclists off because you do not use mirrors or indicators.speedy231278

a.g.o.g. wrote:
How about openable sections of the Armco barrier so traffic can be turned in such circumstances.
ALSO, The Golden Rule for those on 2 wheels is - DO NOT FILTER!(particularly at speed).

Bikes are allowed to filter. The golden rule for all motorists is pay attention and use your mirrors.

[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote:
How about openable sections of the Armco barrier so traffic can be turned in such circumstances.
ALSO, The Golden Rule for those on 2 wheels is - DO NOT FILTER!(particularly at speed).[/p][/quote]Bikes are allowed to filter. The golden rule for all motorists is pay attention and use your mirrors.speedy231278

gafferuk1981 wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason!

Sounds like you are one of those stupid drivers who knocks motorcyclists off because you do not use mirrors or indicators.

I don't think Speedy read the facts which i posted 3 comments up.

It was clear to move.

[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]gafferuk1981[/bold] wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason![/p][/quote]Sounds like you are one of those stupid drivers who knocks motorcyclists off because you do not use mirrors or indicators.[/p][/quote]I don't think Speedy read the facts which i posted 3 comments up.
It was clear to move.R1Dan.

notapeopleperson wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery

But don't you think the motorcyclists should have been patient and waited with the traffic, then there probably wouldn't have been an accident at all.

How do you know the traffic was stationary where the accident happened? The description of the accident sounds like both bikes hit the horse at full road speed. You simply cannot filter through stationary traffic at much more than jogging pace. Clearly, we do not know the exact circumstances of this accident yet, so it would pay to stop making asinine remarks.

[quote][p][bold]microhorse[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]notapeopleperson[/bold] wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery[/p][/quote]But don't you think the motorcyclists should have been patient and waited with the traffic, then there probably wouldn't have been an accident at all.[/p][/quote]How do you know the traffic was stationary where the accident happened? The description of the accident sounds like both bikes hit the horse at full road speed. You simply cannot filter through stationary traffic at much more than jogging pace. Clearly, we do not know the exact circumstances of this accident yet, so it would pay to stop making asinine remarks.speedy231278

gafferuk1981 wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason!

Sounds like you are one of those stupid drivers who knocks motorcyclists off because you do not use mirrors or indicators.

I don't think Speedy read the facts which i posted 3 comments up.

It was clear to move.

I didn't say it wasn't did I? I was referring to Gaffer's stupid comments about bikes 'forcing' through traffic and 'not paying attention'..

[quote][p][bold]R1Dan.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]gafferuk1981[/bold] wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason![/p][/quote]Sounds like you are one of those stupid drivers who knocks motorcyclists off because you do not use mirrors or indicators.[/p][/quote]I don't think Speedy read the facts which i posted 3 comments up.
It was clear to move.[/p][/quote]I didn't say it wasn't did I? I was referring to Gaffer's stupid comments about bikes 'forcing' through traffic and 'not paying attention'..speedy231278

om wrote:
My heart goes out the the family's who have lost a loved one, also to the the others in Hospital.
Bikers always get bad feed back, there are far, far more bad car drivers out there than bikers please bear this in mind !!!!

Oh yeah, that is precisely why cars were weaving through stopped traffic and caused an accident!

Or, in fact, no-one weaved through any stationary traffic and caised this accident, which happened when the Police alleged the road was safe again?

Are you sure you should not be microdonkey or highhorse?

[quote][p][bold]microhorse[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]jacs140@btinternet.c
om[/bold] wrote:
My heart goes out the the family's who have lost a loved one, also to the the others in Hospital.
Bikers always get bad feed back, there are far, far more bad car drivers out there than bikers please bear this in mind !!!![/p][/quote]Oh yeah, that is precisely why cars were weaving through stopped traffic and caused an accident![/p][/quote]Or, in fact, no-one weaved through any stationary traffic and caised this accident, which happened when the Police alleged the road was safe again?
Are you sure you should not be microdonkey or highhorse?speedy231278

gafferuk1981 wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason!

Sounds like you are one of those stupid drivers who knocks motorcyclists off because you do not use mirrors or indicators.

I don't think Speedy read the facts which i posted 3 comments up.

It was clear to move.

I didn't say it wasn't did I? I was referring to Gaffer's stupid comments about bikes 'forcing' through traffic and 'not paying attention'..

Hi Speedy, there should be a he after Speedy, i was aggreeing with you.

I don't think Speedy "HE"read the facts which i posted 3 comments up.

And from reading Southampton Echo it does appear that Police cleared the road safe for Travel.

[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]R1Dan.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]gafferuk1981[/bold] wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason![/p][/quote]Sounds like you are one of those stupid drivers who knocks motorcyclists off because you do not use mirrors or indicators.[/p][/quote]I don't think Speedy read the facts which i posted 3 comments up.
It was clear to move.[/p][/quote]I didn't say it wasn't did I? I was referring to Gaffer's stupid comments about bikes 'forcing' through traffic and 'not paying attention'..[/p][/quote]Hi Speedy, there should be a he after Speedy, i was aggreeing with you.
I don't think Speedy "HE"read the facts which i posted 3 comments up.
And from reading Southampton Echo it does appear that Police cleared the road safe for Travel.R1Dan.

First and foremost my sympathy goes to the dead motorcyclist's family and friends and I hope the second motorcyclist will pull through.

I confess that I have not read all the above comments so what I am suggesting maybe has already been suggested.

Why cant the police/highway patrols open up/ create a contraflow between the nearest possible opening points along the duel carriageway when a tragic event such as this happens on our roads. Surely roads should be so designed so that a brief contraflow using the other side of the dual carriageway could keep the traffic going instead of causing so much misery for every one that happens to be on that road.

First and foremost my sympathy goes to the dead motorcyclist's family and friends and I hope the second motorcyclist will pull through.
I confess that I have not read all the above comments so what I am suggesting maybe has already been suggested.
Why cant the police/highway patrols open up/ create a contraflow between the nearest possible opening points along the duel carriageway when a tragic event such as this happens on our roads. Surely roads should be so designed so that a brief contraflow using the other side of the dual carriageway could keep the traffic going instead of causing so much misery for every one that happens to be on that road.nonnogeppetto

For the amateur speculators... wait and see. It is entirely feasible for a spooked horse to do serious damage to two *stationary* motor cyclists! Just keep any pre-judging to yourself for now.

For the amateur speculators... wait and see. It is entirely feasible for a spooked horse to do serious damage to two *stationary* motor cyclists! Just keep any pre-judging to yourself for now.PokesdownMark

politicaltrainspotte
r wrote:
A friend of mine was travelling from Fareham to Bournemouth.He telephoned me and said ' that he was stuck in traffic as a horse had escaped onto the carriageway.Then while being stuck his car failed.However, he didn't realise the serious nature of what had transpired.he did say he was getting update via the radio as i was communicating with him but he did not mention they're had been a serious accident.For all involved this must have been horrific and to be on a motorcycle and collide with a horse the impact must of been horrendous,One must take thought of the motorcyclists involved and the trauma and injuries they have suffered.

Hey thanks for the detailed 'update' and for sharing your story....

[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte
r[/bold] wrote:
A friend of mine was travelling from Fareham to Bournemouth.He telephoned me and said ' that he was stuck in traffic as a horse had escaped onto the carriageway.Then while being stuck his car failed.However, he didn't realise the serious nature of what had transpired.he did say he was getting update via the radio as i was communicating with him but he did not mention they're had been a serious accident.For all involved this must have been horrific and to be on a motorcycle and collide with a horse the impact must of been horrendous,One must take thought of the motorcyclists involved and the trauma and injuries they have suffered.[/p][/quote]Hey thanks for the detailed 'update' and for sharing your story....scrumpyjack

notapeopleperson wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery

Yes I hate it when people who are forced to sit in their car for 5 hours after a days work have the audacity to not be best pleased. And who cares if they say they understand and wish the best for the 2 bikers?

They should just put up and shut up the bluddy moaners - I hate it when people come on here and moan. I mean who wants to hear anything negative.

People who whinge on and on.

I mean they should all be happy and not say anything.

You and me notapeopleperson would never whinge or moan would we.......

[quote][p][bold]notapeopleperson[/bold] wrote:
my god the whingers come out when the traffic stops, i know you guys want to get home but its simple - YOU NEVER DRIVE UP A DUAL CARRIDGE WAY THE WRONG WAY (unless directed by a police officer) you sit there and you wait patiently. If a driver causes a further accident by doing a u-turn then you have successfully caused more carnage because of youre impatience and you will probably be regretting it whne youre stood in the dock for traffic offences - then you wont be driving in any traffic because you will be a disqualified driver. also the 11 ambulance sent, i can safely assume that alot of these were stood down straight away. the reason a large number may have been sent is i strongly suspect that there were conflicting 999 calls (the public like to exaggerate when reporting RTI's and commenting on the echo website!) i hope the x2 motorcylists make a quick and full recovery[/p][/quote]Yes I hate it when people who are forced to sit in their car for 5 hours after a days work have the audacity to not be best pleased. And who cares if they say they understand and wish the best for the 2 bikers?
They should just put up and shut up the bluddy moaners - I hate it when people come on here and moan. I mean who wants to hear anything negative.
People who whinge on and on.
I mean they should all be happy and not say anything.
You and me notapeopleperson would never whinge or moan would we.......scrumpyjack

sammmymac wrote:
I can't believe the callousness of those people moaning about being inconvenienced. A family have lost loved one. Someone has died and you're home later than planned. RIP to the gentleman and speedy recovery to his friend. The repercussions for their families will go on while we continue our lives. N

That's true, sammmymac, and most people have every sympathy for the families and the victims of this tragedy, but that doesn't alter the fact that there are clearly some questions that need to be answered. I haven't seen any credible explanation for eleven ambulances. I do fear that the actual reason might be because there is a lack of centraliation of 999 operators and services, and it's quite likely that the 999 calls from several different people went through to service providers in different parts of the country, even though that's not supposed to happen, and each one responded in its own way without knowing what others were doing. With two injured humans, and a badly hurt horse, I should have thought that at least six of those ambulances were surplus to requirements and could have been attending to other emergencies.

The disgraceful lack of notification is also an issue that needs following up. Local traffic reports are conspicuous by their absence after 6:00 pm - why should that be? - and other correspondents have said that there were no messages on illuminated signs - again, why not? The signs as far back as Winchester should have been been signalling the hour-or-more delay over the A31, so that motorists headed in that direction could plan their journey accordingly. The route up through the Forest and over to Fordingbridge would have been an obvious alternative - why was no diversion put in place?

These and more questions spring to mind, and asking them doesn't indicate callousness or any lack of concern on my part. For heavens sake, why does an emergency always bring the county to a halt?

Exactly.

[quote][p][bold]Nigel Blumenthal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sammmymac[/bold] wrote:
I can't believe the callousness of those people moaning about being inconvenienced. A family have lost loved one. Someone has died and you're home later than planned. RIP to the gentleman and speedy recovery to his friend. The repercussions for their families will go on while we continue our lives. N[/p][/quote]That's true, sammmymac, and most people have every sympathy for the families and the victims of this tragedy, but that doesn't alter the fact that there are clearly some questions that need to be answered. I haven't seen any credible explanation for eleven ambulances. I do fear that the actual reason might be because there is a lack of centraliation of 999 operators and services, and it's quite likely that the 999 calls from several different people went through to service providers in different parts of the country, even though that's not supposed to happen, and each one responded in its own way without knowing what others were doing. With two injured humans, and a badly hurt horse, I should have thought that at least six of those ambulances were surplus to requirements and could have been attending to other emergencies.
The disgraceful lack of notification is also an issue that needs following up. Local traffic reports are conspicuous by their absence after 6:00 pm - why should that be? - and other correspondents have said that there were no messages on illuminated signs - again, why not? The signs as far back as Winchester should have been been signalling the hour-or-more delay over the A31, so that motorists headed in that direction could plan their journey accordingly. The route up through the Forest and over to Fordingbridge would have been an obvious alternative - why was no diversion put in place?
These and more questions spring to mind, and asking them doesn't indicate callousness or any lack of concern on my part. For heavens sake, why does an emergency always bring the county to a halt?[/p][/quote]Exactly.scrumpyjack

Some not nice comments with no facts to go on. My deepest sympathy to the families of the people concerned, whatever stress the drivers felt in sitting in the queue doesnt come close to burying a loved one. One of my husbands friends was caught in the traffic on the way home from work, he said he was cold and hungry, we didnt know the outcome then, to which my first thought was why not carry an emergency pack of food and drink and a blanket in the car? what happens if you break down any time and the AA or RAC cant get there for some time, just a thought.

Some not nice comments with no facts to go on. My deepest sympathy to the families of the people concerned, whatever stress the drivers felt in sitting in the queue doesnt come close to burying a loved one. One of my husbands friends was caught in the traffic on the way home from work, he said he was cold and hungry, we didnt know the outcome then, to which my first thought was why not carry an emergency pack of food and drink and a blanket in the car? what happens if you break down any time and the AA or RAC cant get there for some time, just a thought.hamworthygirl

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
&quot;The crash happened just after 6pm, an hour after the escaped horse had already brought traffic to a standstill."

So this horse was causing traffic chaos for an hour before the accident happened, you would have thought that the police would have been informed and dealt with it within that hour. I am somewhat baffled as to how two motorcycles can be traveling at such speed to cause the death of one person and a horse in traffic that was apparently at a standstill, something doesn't ring true there.

Maybe the fact that the type of people now moaning about how long they were stuck puts pressure on the authorities to open the road as soon as they can. I for one was glad to be stuck for 3 hours as long as i got home. Horrific scene driving between the dead horse and stricken motorbikes with debris and eveidence of the emergency services work about, medical blankets and opened packets etc.

[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote:
"The crash happened just after 6pm, an hour after the escaped horse had already brought traffic to a standstill."
So this horse was causing traffic chaos for an hour before the accident happened, you would have thought that the police would have been informed and dealt with it within that hour. I am somewhat baffled as to how two motorcycles can be traveling at such speed to cause the death of one person and a horse in traffic that was apparently at a standstill, something doesn't ring true there.[/p][/quote]Maybe the fact that the type of people now moaning about how long they were stuck puts pressure on the authorities to open the road as soon as they can. I for one was glad to be stuck for 3 hours as long as i got home. Horrific scene driving between the dead horse and stricken motorbikes with debris and eveidence of the emergency services work about, medical blankets and opened packets etc.meonboy

My heart goes out to the bereived family and hopefully the other biker will be back on the road soon .This happened to a friend of mine on christmas eve , not far from this incident , a horse ran in front of him he hit it , the poor horse died but being in a high 4 wheel drive he luckily escaped injury but his car was a right off , surely the people in charge of these horses should make sure the fences are in good condition , how many more people must be injured or killed before something is done .

My heart goes out to the bereived family and hopefully the other biker will be back on the road soon .This happened to a friend of mine on christmas eve , not far from this incident , a horse ran in front of him he hit it , the poor horse died but being in a high 4 wheel drive he luckily escaped injury but his car was a right off , surely the people in charge of these horses should make sure the fences are in good condition , how many more people must be injured or killed before something is done .ronlin

kinderlingers wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people &quot;assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.

They didn't ignore the stopped traffic at all I know that as I was at the front with them being a fellow biker myself

[quote][p][bold]kinderlingers[/bold] wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people "assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.[/p][/quote]They didn't ignore the stopped traffic at all I know that as I was at the front with them being a fellow biker myselfiaahs123

I note the Police have not yet commented on their actions last night. Big internal investigation about what happened going on inside Police HQ I bet before they say anything. Looks unfortunately like police thought they had found all the horses, let the traffic go and the motorcyclists fast and at the front were the first to come across some more just up the road. All this in the dark too. RIP to the biker and hope other biker recovers well.

I note the Police have not yet commented on their actions last night. Big internal investigation about what happened going on inside Police HQ I bet before they say anything. Looks unfortunately like police thought they had found all the horses, let the traffic go and the motorcyclists fast and at the front were the first to come across some more just up the road. All this in the dark too. RIP to the biker and hope other biker recovers well.Telscombe Cliffy

kinderlingers wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people &quot;assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.

They didn't ignore the stopped traffic at all I know that as I was at the front with them being a fellow biker myself

As i mentioned before, the police opened it after an hour of closing as it was safe to do so. check Southampton echo.

Obviously it wasn't safe to do so.

[quote][p][bold]iaahs123[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kinderlingers[/bold] wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people "assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.[/p][/quote]They didn't ignore the stopped traffic at all I know that as I was at the front with them being a fellow biker myself[/p][/quote]As i mentioned before, the police opened it after an hour of closing as it was safe to do so. check Southampton echo.
Obviously it wasn't safe to do so.R1Dan.

kinderlingers wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people &quot;assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.

They didn't ignore the stopped traffic at all I know that as I was at the front with them being a fellow biker myself

As i mentioned before, the police opened it after an hour of closing as it was safe to do so. check Southampton echo.

Obviously it wasn't safe to do so.

Also kinderlingers, at 70mph in dead of night if a horse steps out from the side, lets say behind a bush, would you stop within an inch?

[quote][p][bold]R1Dan.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iaahs123[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kinderlingers[/bold] wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people "assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.[/p][/quote]They didn't ignore the stopped traffic at all I know that as I was at the front with them being a fellow biker myself[/p][/quote]As i mentioned before, the police opened it after an hour of closing as it was safe to do so. check Southampton echo.
Obviously it wasn't safe to do so.[/p][/quote]Also kinderlingers, at 70mph in dead of night if a horse steps out from the side, lets say behind a bush, would you stop within an inch?R1Dan.

gafferuk1981 wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason!

Sounds like you are one of those stupid drivers who knocks motorcyclists off because you do not use mirrors or indicators.

And your evidence is????????

[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]gafferuk1981[/bold] wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason![/p][/quote]Sounds like you are one of those stupid drivers who knocks motorcyclists off because you do not use mirrors or indicators.[/p][/quote]And your evidence is????????Noel.

kinderlingers wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people &quot;assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.

They didn't ignore the stopped traffic at all I know that as I was at the front with them being a fellow biker myself

As i mentioned before, the police opened it after an hour of closing as it was safe to do so. check Southampton echo.

Obviously it wasn't safe to do so.

I found out it wasn't safe as I almost hit the horse myself as I was behind both of them

[quote][p][bold]R1Dan.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iaahs123[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kinderlingers[/bold] wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people "assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.[/p][/quote]They didn't ignore the stopped traffic at all I know that as I was at the front with them being a fellow biker myself[/p][/quote]As i mentioned before, the police opened it after an hour of closing as it was safe to do so. check Southampton echo.
Obviously it wasn't safe to do so.[/p][/quote]I found out it wasn't safe as I almost hit the horse myself as I was behind both of themiaahs123

a.g.o.g. wrote:
How about openable sections of the Armco barrier so traffic can be turned in such circumstances.
ALSO, The Golden Rule for those on 2 wheels is - DO NOT FILTER!(particularly at speed).

Bikes are allowed to filter. The golden rule for all motorists is pay attention and use your mirrors.

I don't think it mentions anywhere that the bikers collided with a car, it was a loose horse, so no mirrors involved.

[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote:
How about openable sections of the Armco barrier so traffic can be turned in such circumstances.
ALSO, The Golden Rule for those on 2 wheels is - DO NOT FILTER!(particularly at speed).[/p][/quote]Bikes are allowed to filter. The golden rule for all motorists is pay attention and use your mirrors.[/p][/quote]I don't think it mentions anywhere that the bikers collided with a car, it was a loose horse, so no mirrors involved.Noel.

a.g.o.g. wrote:
How about openable sections of the Armco barrier so traffic can be turned in such circumstances.
ALSO, The Golden Rule for those on 2 wheels is - DO NOT FILTER!(particularly at speed).

Bikes are allowed to filter. The golden rule for all motorists is pay attention and use your mirrors.

I don't think it mentions anywhere that the bikers collided with a car, it was a loose horse, so no mirrors involved.

What on earth are you waffling about now? Neither the previous idiot's comment about not filtering, nor my comment about all road users needing to use their mirrors (ie to prevent them having silly SMIDSY accidents) are directly linked to this incident, just about road use in general.

[quote][p][bold]Noel.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote:
How about openable sections of the Armco barrier so traffic can be turned in such circumstances.
ALSO, The Golden Rule for those on 2 wheels is - DO NOT FILTER!(particularly at speed).[/p][/quote]Bikes are allowed to filter. The golden rule for all motorists is pay attention and use your mirrors.[/p][/quote]I don't think it mentions anywhere that the bikers collided with a car, it was a loose horse, so no mirrors involved.[/p][/quote]What on earth are you waffling about now? Neither the previous idiot's comment about not filtering, nor my comment about all road users needing to use their mirrors (ie to prevent them having silly SMIDSY accidents) are directly linked to this incident, just about road use in general.speedy231278

gafferuk1981 wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse. Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped. This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse! If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason!

I don't agree with what you are saying. The motorcyclists would have filtered through the stationary traffic - there is no mention of how fast they were going. Filtering on a motorbike is quite hazardous especially when car drivers do not look in their mirrors before making a maneouvre. It has happened to me a few times. RIP biker and I hope the other motorcyclist makes a full recovery!

[quote][p][bold]gafferuk1981[/bold] wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse. Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped. This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse! If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason![/p][/quote]I don't agree with what you are saying. The motorcyclists would have filtered through the stationary traffic - there is no mention of how fast they were going. Filtering on a motorbike is quite hazardous especially when car drivers do not look in their mirrors before making a maneouvre. It has happened to me a few times. RIP biker and I hope the other motorcyclist makes a full recovery!suzigirl

Boscombe Warrior wrote:
Really sad to hear one of the motorcyclists has died, just praying the other pulls through :(
A horse can be replaced but a dad, Brother, Uncle or son cannot, my thoughts are with all affected tonight x

A horse can be replaced?
A human can be replaced!
That horse might'e been someone's pet. Animals are family just as much as humans are.

Exactly!!!

[quote][p][bold]microhorse[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Boscombe Warrior[/bold] wrote:
Really sad to hear one of the motorcyclists has died, just praying the other pulls through :(
A horse can be replaced but a dad, Brother, Uncle or son cannot, my thoughts are with all affected tonight x[/p][/quote]A horse can be replaced?
A human can be replaced!
That horse might'e been someone's pet. Animals are family just as much as humans are.[/p][/quote]Exactly!!!chrisii1991

kinderlingers wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people &quot;assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.

Because like with everything else, we remember the bad ones over the other good ones!
How many times have I driven in my car and had a maniacal motorcyclist zoom in and out of traffic, crossing over the central white line? Loads. The good motorcyclists? Hundreds but we don't think about those. Same with cyclists, BMW drivers and white van drivers.
It's strange if the traffic was already at a standstill for an hour due to the horse how the motorcyclists managed to be in such an awful accident.
My condolences to the family of the dead.

[quote][p][bold]kinderlingers[/bold] wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people "assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.[/p][/quote]Because like with everything else, we remember the bad ones over the other good ones!
How many times have I driven in my car and had a maniacal motorcyclist zoom in and out of traffic, crossing over the central white line? Loads. The good motorcyclists? Hundreds but we don't think about those. Same with cyclists, BMW drivers and white van drivers.
It's strange if the traffic was already at a standstill for an hour due to the horse how the motorcyclists managed to be in such an awful accident.
My condolences to the family of the dead.spooki

I saw the information about the initial incident on this website before leaving Parkstone to travel to Heathrow 40 minutes later passed incident with many emergency service vehicles and was surprised to see that the road was still open with more traffic joining the queues. Surely it is in everyones interest to keep the road approaching such an incident as clear as possible to make access for the services more efficient so it would not be a waste of resources to utilise Police or Highways Agency personnel to implement closure sooner.

I saw the information about the initial incident on this website before leaving Parkstone to travel to Heathrow 40 minutes later passed incident with many emergency service vehicles and was surprised to see that the road was still open with more traffic joining the queues. Surely it is in everyones interest to keep the road approaching such an incident as clear as possible to make access for the services more efficient so it would not be a waste of resources to utilise Police or Highways Agency personnel to implement closure sooner.Harveypoole

11 ambulances?! Is that actually true? If so that has got to be worth looking into.

That must have been most of the ambulance capacity for south east Hampshire sent into a situation where they would be tied up for at least two hours - even if they arrived and then came straight back - by the time they battled through miles and miles of parting traffic.

So how many ambulances cover Southampton, Lymington and Ringwood in total? IF there had been another serious incident elsewhere would there have been another 11 ambulances spare?

11 ambulances?! Is that actually true? If so that has got to be worth looking into.
That must have been most of the ambulance capacity for south east Hampshire sent into a situation where they would be tied up for at least two hours - even if they arrived and then came straight back - by the time they battled through miles and miles of parting traffic.
So how many ambulances cover Southampton, Lymington and Ringwood in total? IF there had been another serious incident elsewhere would there have been another 11 ambulances spare?PokesdownMark

billywash wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.

So the motorcyclists "weaved their way through the traffic " and also "were travelling at ridiculous speeds". Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure that someone will) but there seems to be some contradiction here.

[quote][p][bold]billywash[/bold] wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.[/p][/quote]So the motorcyclists "weaved their way through the traffic " and also "were travelling at ridiculous speeds". Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure that someone will) but there seems to be some contradiction here.SeafaringMan

PokesdownMark wrote:
11 ambulances?! Is that actually true? If so that has got to be worth looking into.

That must have been most of the ambulance capacity for south east Hampshire sent into a situation where they would be tied up for at least two hours - even if they arrived and then came straight back - by the time they battled through miles and miles of parting traffic.

So how many ambulances cover Southampton, Lymington and Ringwood in total? IF there had been another serious incident elsewhere would there have been another 11 ambulances spare?

I don't lie !!!

[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote:
11 ambulances?! Is that actually true? If so that has got to be worth looking into.
That must have been most of the ambulance capacity for south east Hampshire sent into a situation where they would be tied up for at least two hours - even if they arrived and then came straight back - by the time they battled through miles and miles of parting traffic.
So how many ambulances cover Southampton, Lymington and Ringwood in total? IF there had been another serious incident elsewhere would there have been another 11 ambulances spare?[/p][/quote]I don't lie !!!retry69

ONCE AGAIN I HAVE HAD MY COMMENT REMOVED !!!!!! LIKE I SAID SOMEONE HAS DIED AND ALL I CAN READ IS PEOPLE ****'N ABOUT BEING HELD UP IN TRAFFIC WHOOP DE DO, SOMEONE HAS LOST A SON,DAD,BROTHER ETC,RIP IN PEACE FELLOW BIKER,MY DEPEST SYMPATHY TO YOUR FAMILY WHO ARE LEFT BEHIND.

ONCE AGAIN I HAVE HAD MY COMMENT REMOVED !!!!!! LIKE I SAID SOMEONE HAS DIED AND ALL I CAN READ IS PEOPLE ****'N ABOUT BEING HELD UP IN TRAFFIC WHOOP DE DO, SOMEONE HAS LOST A SON,DAD,BROTHER ETC,RIP IN PEACE FELLOW BIKER,MY DEPEST SYMPATHY TO YOUR FAMILY WHO ARE LEFT BEHIND.i hate do gooders has returned after having account closed !!

Munchkinn wrote:
I would hazard a guess that the horse escaped off the forest because some of the fencing - which the Highways Authority is responsible for- is really poor in places. Perhaps now someone in authority will take some notice and do what a lot of people have been campaigning for for a long time - renew the fences adequately. This is a terribly tragic situation and I feel for all the families involved, the police who have to deal with the situation, and the forestry people who will have to scrape said horse off the road, most unpleasant

I wonder if this a grey area of responsibility , Highways or Forestry , either way it's our money but they don't like spending it outside of the office

[quote][p][bold]Munchkinn[/bold] wrote:
I would hazard a guess that the horse escaped off the forest because some of the fencing - which the Highways Authority is responsible for- is really poor in places. Perhaps now someone in authority will take some notice and do what a lot of people have been campaigning for for a long time - renew the fences adequately. This is a terribly tragic situation and I feel for all the families involved, the police who have to deal with the situation, and the forestry people who will have to scrape said horse off the road, most unpleasant[/p][/quote]I wonder if this a grey area of responsibility , Highways or Forestry , either way it's our money but they don't like spending it outside of the officecheeriedriteup

toesofcontroversy wrote:
2 hours Noodles? Try 6.5 hours, with no phone signal, no food and a 1 year old baby. No communication from the Police, no real intelligence on the web, quite literally left in the dark in the freezing fog.

Although driving along the dual carriageway in the wrong direction at 1am was quite an experience...

I hope you've recovered from your "ordeal" unlike the poor gentleman who lost his life and his family whose recovery will take a lifetime.i hope the injured gentleman recovers well........

[quote][p][bold]toesofcontroversy[/bold] wrote:
2 hours Noodles? Try 6.5 hours, with no phone signal, no food and a 1 year old baby. No communication from the Police, no real intelligence on the web, quite literally left in the dark in the freezing fog.
Although driving along the dual carriageway in the wrong direction at 1am was quite an experience...[/p][/quote]I hope you've recovered from your "ordeal" unlike the poor gentleman who lost his life and his family whose recovery will take a lifetime.i hope the injured gentleman recovers well........sammmymac

toesofcontroversy wrote:
2 hours Noodles? Try 6.5 hours, with no phone signal, no food and a 1 year old baby. No communication from the Police, no real intelligence on the web, quite literally left in the dark in the freezing fog.

Although driving along the dual carriageway in the wrong direction at 1am was quite an experience...

I hope you've recovered from your "ordeal" unlike the poor gentleman who lost his life and his family whose recovery will take a lifetime.i hope the injured gentleman recovers well........

[quote][p][bold]toesofcontroversy[/bold] wrote:
2 hours Noodles? Try 6.5 hours, with no phone signal, no food and a 1 year old baby. No communication from the Police, no real intelligence on the web, quite literally left in the dark in the freezing fog.
Although driving along the dual carriageway in the wrong direction at 1am was quite an experience...[/p][/quote]I hope you've recovered from your "ordeal" unlike the poor gentleman who lost his life and his family whose recovery will take a lifetime.i hope the injured gentleman recovers well........sammmymac

I seriously cannot believe people " moaning " about the " inconvenience " !!?? How very sad and such a sign of the times we now live in. One where when people see an accident the first thing a lot of them do is reach for their mobile phones...not to ring the emergency services...but so they can post it on You Tube !
O.k, it's very frustrating being stuck in a gridlock for hours ( we've all been there at some point ). But surely everyone is intelligent enough to realise that there must be a good reason for it !? Either there is an accident or there is a danger to the safety of all you stuck in the gridlock....it's not put there intentionally just to annoy and inconvenience people !! You don't need information to tell you that...I am sure the relevant services let people know what was happening as soon as they could i.e maybe attending to the victims, cordoning off the area for evidence ( I am sure we would ALL want to know exactly what had happened if it was our family member involved ) and making it safe was priority NOT sending out a radio broadcast which would have made no difference to the situation anyway !! My thoughts are with all those involved and their loved ones. : /

I seriously cannot believe people " moaning " about the " inconvenience " !!?? How very sad and such a sign of the times we now live in. One where when people see an accident the first thing a lot of them do is reach for their mobile phones...not to ring the emergency services...but so they can post it on You Tube !
O.k, it's very frustrating being stuck in a gridlock for hours ( we've all been there at some point ). But surely everyone is intelligent enough to realise that there must be a good reason for it !? Either there is an accident or there is a danger to the safety of all you stuck in the gridlock....it's not put there intentionally just to annoy and inconvenience people !! You don't need information to tell you that...I am sure the relevant services let people know what was happening as soon as they could i.e maybe attending to the victims, cordoning off the area for evidence ( I am sure we would ALL want to know exactly what had happened if it was our family member involved ) and making it safe was priority NOT sending out a radio broadcast which would have made no difference to the situation anyway !! My thoughts are with all those involved and their loved ones. : /DeeDee4470

a.g.o.g. wrote:
How about openable sections of the Armco barrier so traffic can be turned in such circumstances.
ALSO, The Golden Rule for those on 2 wheels is - DO NOT FILTER!(particularly at speed).

" The Golden Rule " !?

{Quote} Take care. Filtering presents its own hazards, not least because some drivers wrongly believe that it is illegal and may react in a hostile way when they see a bike or scooter wending its way through a line of traffic. However the Highway Code acknowledges that motorcyclists can and do filter in traffic and advises that this should be carried out safely and slowly. { un quote } .

Please don't think I am getting at your comment, I just wanted to make a point ( to about filtering since you brought it up ! : )

[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote:
How about openable sections of the Armco barrier so traffic can be turned in such circumstances.
ALSO, The Golden Rule for those on 2 wheels is - DO NOT FILTER!(particularly at speed).[/p][/quote]" The Golden Rule " !?
{Quote} Take care. Filtering presents its own hazards, not least because some drivers wrongly believe that it is illegal and may react in a hostile way when they see a bike or scooter wending its way through a line of traffic. However the Highway Code acknowledges that motorcyclists can and do filter in traffic and advises that this should be carried out safely and slowly. { un quote } .
Please don't think I am getting at your comment, I just wanted to make a point ( to about filtering since you brought it up ! : )DeeDee4470

gafferuk1981 wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason!

Actually, bikers DO have a right to do this....just as cyclist have a right to filter through traffic !! Ask the DVLA !!!!!
It's people with your kind of attitude to anything on two wheels that may be getting a little further ahead our congested roads than you are, that are often ( not always though as there are bikers that don't ride as safe as they should granted ) a mitigating factor in car/bike accidents. Not his one though obviously.
IF EVERY car ( and biker of course....although I can assure you the majority of us do....because we KNOW that most drivers don't ) driver drove as advised by the DVLA and Highway code and used their mirrors,indicators and over the shoulder ( L-I-F-E-S-A-V-E-R-S.
...there's a clue in there somewhere ) ! ; ) checks.....before actually making their manoeuvre there would be a lot less accidents for sure ( and not just with bikes ) !! I would lay money on it that very few if indeed ANY at all of those imbeciles making U-turns back up the dual carriageway checked their mirrors and blind spots for motorcyclist before making such an idiotic and dangerous move !!

For those of you who get angry and resentful when a bike filters through traffic and think they are doing something wrong/illegal. Here's a little information for you all. ; ) I would just like to add that riding a bike has made me a MUCH better driver too...Keep safe on the roads EVERYONE . : )

[quote][p][bold]gafferuk1981[/bold] wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason![/p][/quote]Actually, bikers DO have a right to do this....just as cyclist have a right to filter through traffic !! Ask the DVLA !!!!!
It's people with your kind of attitude to anything on two wheels that may be getting a little further ahead our congested roads than you are, that are often ( not always though as there are bikers that don't ride as safe as they should granted ) a mitigating factor in car/bike accidents. Not his one though obviously.
IF EVERY car ( and biker of course....although I can assure you the majority of us do....because we KNOW that most drivers don't ) driver drove as advised by the DVLA and Highway code and used their mirrors,indicators and over the shoulder ( L-I-F-E-S-A-V-E-R-S.
...there's a clue in there somewhere ) ! ; ) checks.....before actually making their manoeuvre there would be a lot less accidents for sure ( and not just with bikes ) !! I would lay money on it that very few if indeed ANY at all of those imbeciles making U-turns back up the dual carriageway checked their mirrors and blind spots for motorcyclist before making such an idiotic and dangerous move !!
For those of you who get angry and resentful when a bike filters through traffic and think they are doing something wrong/illegal. Here's a little information for you all. ; ) I would just like to add that riding a bike has made me a MUCH better driver too...Keep safe on the roads EVERYONE . : )
http://www.markthomp
sonlaw.com/motorcycl
e-filtering-through-
traffic/accident-and
-personal-injury-cas
e-examples/DeeDee4470

gafferuk1981 wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason!

Actually, bikers DO have a right to do this....just as cyclist have a right to filter through traffic !! Ask the DVLA !!!!!
It's people with your kind of attitude to anything on two wheels that may be getting a little further ahead our congested roads than you are, that are often ( not always though as there are bikers that don't ride as safe as they should granted ) a mitigating factor in car/bike accidents. Not his one though obviously.
IF EVERY car ( and biker of course....although I can assure you the majority of us do....because we KNOW that most drivers don't ) driver drove as advised by the DVLA and Highway code and used their mirrors,indicators and over the shoulder ( L-I-F-E-S-A-V-E-R-S.

...there's a clue in there somewhere ) ! ; ) checks.....before actually making their manoeuvre there would be a lot less accidents for sure ( and not just with bikes ) !! I would lay money on it that very few if indeed ANY at all of those imbeciles making U-turns back up the dual carriageway checked their mirrors and blind spots for motorcyclist before making such an idiotic and dangerous move !!

For those of you who get angry and resentful when a bike filters through traffic and think they are doing something wrong/illegal. Here's a little information for you all. ; ) I would just like to add that riding a bike has made me a MUCH better driver too...Keep safe on the roads EVERYONE . : )

http://www.markthomp

sonlaw.com/motorcycl

e-filtering-through-

traffic/accident-and

-personal-injury-cas

e-examples/

NOT ILLEGAL JUST GENERAL STUPIDITY,JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD.
OH AND I AM A BIKER LICENCE HELD FOR 25YEARS

[quote][p][bold]DeeDee4470[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]gafferuk1981[/bold] wrote:
Bikers have no consideration to what is happening, the road was stationary and cars not moving because of the lose horse that happened much earlier. At this time no one was hurt. (Fact) and traffic was building up while people trying to catch the horse.
Its not until you then have (some bikers) you think they have the right to carry on forcing they way down between the middle of cars not paying attention to why the cars might have stopped.
This is when accidents happen! and it unfortunately did. As we now cars change lanes and hit bikers in queues because of this, but on this occasion they hit the lose horse. The horse would have been stressed and uncontrollable the cars stopping is the right think, a biker still charging down the road is only going to make it worse!
If the road is not moving and you can see that then its not moving for a reason![/p][/quote]Actually, bikers DO have a right to do this....just as cyclist have a right to filter through traffic !! Ask the DVLA !!!!!
It's people with your kind of attitude to anything on two wheels that may be getting a little further ahead our congested roads than you are, that are often ( not always though as there are bikers that don't ride as safe as they should granted ) a mitigating factor in car/bike accidents. Not his one though obviously.
IF EVERY car ( and biker of course....although I can assure you the majority of us do....because we KNOW that most drivers don't ) driver drove as advised by the DVLA and Highway code and used their mirrors,indicators and over the shoulder ( L-I-F-E-S-A-V-E-R-S.
...there's a clue in there somewhere ) ! ; ) checks.....before actually making their manoeuvre there would be a lot less accidents for sure ( and not just with bikes ) !! I would lay money on it that very few if indeed ANY at all of those imbeciles making U-turns back up the dual carriageway checked their mirrors and blind spots for motorcyclist before making such an idiotic and dangerous move !!
For those of you who get angry and resentful when a bike filters through traffic and think they are doing something wrong/illegal. Here's a little information for you all. ; ) I would just like to add that riding a bike has made me a MUCH better driver too...Keep safe on the roads EVERYONE . : )
http://www.markthomp
sonlaw.com/motorcycl
e-filtering-through-
traffic/accident-and
-personal-injury-cas
e-examples/[/p][/quote]NOT ILLEGAL JUST GENERAL STUPIDITY,JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD.
OH AND I AM A BIKER LICENCE HELD FOR 25YEARSthevoiceofreason1

kinderlingers wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people &quot;assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.

Thank you! Someone with common sense! Everyone I've said this to thinks I'm just being malicious when I say it was the motorcyclists own fault they are where they are now and that they killed a horse.

Your making an assumption that the queued cars were right in front of the horse and the horse was kind enough to stand still in the middle of the road while someone came to retrieve it?

I have my own theory on what might have happened but it is just that, a theory so i'm going to keep it to myself.

Can't believe someone can be so callous as to actually write this , common sense, this lies with the person/persons who made the decision to let the traffic go through, animal lovers you may be that's your choice, motorcyclists own fault, hope you can sleep at night we can't.

[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]microhorse[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kinderlingers[/bold] wrote:
Not being funny but if the traffic was stopped at 5.30pm how did the motorcyclists hit the horse more than half hour later. Clearly they ignored the fact that there was an incident and weaved their way through the traffic and paid the ultimate price. Lights are so good on modern bikes that they would have seen something unless they were travelling at ridiculous speeds. All I can say is if they had stopped along with everyone else one wouldn't be dead and the other wouldn't be in a serious condition and the horse would still be alive.
Bikes are legally allowed to filter in stopped / slow moving traffic. Why do people "assume" that the bikers were travelling at such a speed between cars?
There are many more poor car drivers, than poor bikers. RIP Biker, condolences to family and friends and a speedy recovery to the other.[/p][/quote]Thank you! Someone with common sense! Everyone I've said this to thinks I'm just being malicious when I say it was the motorcyclists own fault they are where they are now and that they killed a horse.[/p][/quote]Your making an assumption that the queued cars were right in front of the horse and the horse was kind enough to stand still in the middle of the road while someone came to retrieve it?
I have my own theory on what might have happened but it is just that, a theory so i'm going to keep it to myself.[/p][/quote]Can't believe someone can be so callous as to actually write this , common sense, this lies with the person/persons who made the decision to let the traffic go through, animal lovers you may be that's your choice, motorcyclists own fault, hope you can sleep at night we can't.Rhian1983