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Shortest twistlock barrel?

What is the shortest twistlock barrel that was made? I know the micromags used to come with a fixed barrel that was 4 inches, I think, but I seem to remember coming across a crownpoint that was only 4 inches or so. anybody come across any barrels that short, or shorter?

Do we start barrel length from all the way back, or just from the detents forward?

I was playing with this idea over the weekend:

This is cocker threaded, although I could very well have swapped out with the back of my mag2cocker adapter (as is, it would just screw in).

You put a Freak insert into it, then either zip tie or rubberband or whatever the slotted end to clamp the insert in place. Obviously this is an “expert mode” barrel since half the insert is just hanging out in the open. If you slam into anything, you’re going to be buying a new insert. In fact a barrel bag that’s too tight or dirty might do some damage as well.

Crown points

I've always liked the crown points as well. The ping, plus the fact that they made the 'mag loud as sin, was pretty cool to me. The first 'mag I ever saw, was set up with a very short crown point, and you could hear it clear across the field when he opened it up. Anybody have any pictures of these very short barrels that they have? I am working on a project that may need a very short barrel, and would love to see any super compact setups that people run.

You put a Freak insert into it, then either zip tie or rubberband or whatever the slotted end to clamp the insert in place. Obviously this is an “expert mode” barrel since half the insert is just hanging out in the open. If you slam into anything, you’re going to be buying a new insert. In fact a barrel bag that’s too tight or dirty might do some damage as well.

Anyways, Freak insert length is 5.05".

A better option might be like the old WWA Justice series barrels, have the freak insert go in from the rear of the barrel and have the tip tip solid so that it can catch the freak insert.

Just perusing the Official AutoMag Picture thread and found this from Maverick13. MM2k9 with freak back and WWA crown point tip (gun's at the bottom of the photo). Check out some of the other barrels he's got on some guns, quite short, especially that "odd" twistlock on the chrome/chimera gun with the black rings on the front. http://automags.org/forums/showpost....postcount=2682