I don't think it has. But there was the one about her vision being augmented

Back in meatlocker we got the Deus Ex "My vision is augmented" line, we all had a good laugh.Not much discussion going on today, barely a page worth, so odd from the nine pages that instantly appear some days.

Admiral Stoic Rum wrote:You know, Tricksters are neither good, nor evil, really they are Chaotic Neutral... a true trickster really does what the want when they want, merely because it entertains their ends. They will manipulate and bring others to one end or another.

Not really true. A trickster who does anything they want because they think it's funny comes off as cruel, since they're causing pain for no purpose other than their own amusement, while a noble trickster uses his powers to teach lessons to others and fix unfairness (like Robin Hood, for example). A merely mocking trickster may only be mildly cruel rather than outright evil, but more often it's one or the other. Anyway, I'm not gonna get into an argument over whether or not D&D alignments are full of crap.

In anime, a squint-eyed character is still usually either good and uses a playful exterior to hide their true feelings (like Chichiri, for example), or is actually evil and putting up an affable front (like Ichimaru Gin). And when they open their eyes, that's when things have just gotten serious, because they've put aside the mask and are about to reveal their true feelings (whether kind or bloodthirsty) -- and, I should mention, they usually become abruptly badass as that point.

that is where you are wrong, Gin was actually working as a double agent to watch aizen, even almost manages to kill him were it not for the hyogoku...

You must be far too fixated on good and evil as a single point of perspective. It is good to sacrifice your firstborn because your god commanded it. it is evil to take concubines,

its all a matter of perspective, to a trickster, its not always the laugh that they are after, its not always funny, its always about pulling those invisible strings to manipulate, buy killing seven warriors and mounting their heads on spears and presenting them to a force of over 200 after they have been drenched by torrential rainfall... they become so riled up that they neven notice when the trickster send an electrical current throught the entire group incapacitating the great majority and killing a few. when they recover all they know is this warrior whom they believe to be a ghost, or a mighty warrior bested so many of them. the trickster wages war on the mind, not with the body. they guide with riddles and words of truth or deception keeping secrets, everything is a game, but it is not all a laugh for them. A trickster is out for their own ends, it may benefit them, it may not benefit them. Hermes was a trickster god, but was not evil, he had his fun and pranks, , Loke was the more malicious and covetous of Gods, Same could be thought of Set god of Chaos and evil in egypt. The ultimate evil was that which opposed te natural order, the order of the gods, or that of society. tricksters walk the line of the natural order of law and lawlessness all to meet their own ends, be it because they desired it to spit in the face of higher powers, or because they truly intend to free a town of parasites. Perhaps they are fueld by rage and erase something from existence? Tricksters are clever, but cannot truly be classified as something as predictable as good or evil.

Also i had a thought, In anchient egypt, The sun Ra Ruled the Day and Apophis Ruled the night. To keep the order, Ra's boat would traverse the egyptian afterlife battling the evils of apophis and his demons. During that time the moon would watch over the sky. and the moon was what allowed Geb and Nut 5 extra days to be together giving birth to Horus, Isis, Set, Osiris, and (The god of the Nile Nehkt or something). the moon would oversee time. So perhaps another unexplored domain of Luna's is time.

@Admiral At this point I give up trying to explain Bleach. Methinks a lot of the stuff is just made up as they go along. Like the most recent arc: SUDDENLY quincies. SUDDENLY Soul Society is getting wrecked. SUDDENLY Commander pops up and pwns all of them. BUT WAIT, the enemy boss was a clone. SUDDENLY Commander is dead. Then the hero shows up.No foreshadowing whatsoever that's what bothers me. Same thing with Naruto. One Piece is the only one of the big three that seems still interesting to me.

Eh tricksters have a bad rep because it's seen as dishonest. Of course in this day and age any possible advantage is usually taken in a fight. No such thing as honorable fights anymore. Especially since not everyone is physically capable of being fair. *rambles*

OneMoreDaySK wrote:@Admiral At this point I give up trying to explain Bleach. Methinks a lot of the stuff is just made up as they go along. Like the most recent arc: SUDDENLY quincies. SUDDENLY Soul Society is getting wrecked. SUDDENLY Commander pops up and pwns all of them. BUT WAIT, the enemy boss was a clone. SUDDENLY Commander is dead. Then the hero shows up.No foreshadowing whatsoever that's what bothers me. Same thing with Naruto. One Piece is the only one of the big three that seems still interesting to me.

Eh tricksters have a bad rep because it's seen as dishonest. Of course in this day and age any possible advantage is usually taken in a fight. No such thing as honorable fights anymore. Especially since not everyone is physically capable of being fair. *rambles*

Anyways. HEY SWICKED! WISH GRANTED! SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG!

are you talking about the manga or the anime because the anime is jacked up on filler

OneMoreDaySK wrote:@Admiral At this point I give up trying to explain Bleach. Methinks a lot of the stuff is just made up as they go along. Like the most recent arc: SUDDENLY quincies. SUDDENLY Soul Society is getting wrecked. SUDDENLY Commander pops up and pwns all of them. BUT WAIT, the enemy boss was a clone. SUDDENLY Commander is dead. Then the hero shows up.No foreshadowing whatsoever that's what bothers me. Same thing with Naruto. One Piece is the only one of the big three that seems still interesting to me.

Eh tricksters have a bad rep because it's seen as dishonest. Of course in this day and age any possible advantage is usually taken in a fight. No such thing as honorable fights anymore. Especially since not everyone is physically capable of being fair. *rambles*

Anyways. HEY SWICKED! WISH GRANTED! SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG!

are you talking about the manga or the anime because the anime is jacked up on filler

Manga, no time to watch. Also, your avatar is now a purple Chikorita. O.o

While trying to find a picture of Blackjack posing with the EoS Sword, I stumbled across this. Apparently he is an OC made completely separate from FO:E. The similarities make me laugh. Anyways I'm still trying to find the pic. Dropping this off:

While trying to find a picture of Blackjack posing with the EoS Sword, I stumbled across this. Apparently he is an OC made completely separate from FO:E. The similarities make me laugh. Anyways I'm still trying to find the pic. Dropping this off:

Spoiler:

Edit: Found the picture. It was by Fore-Trekker: Reaper.

BURN BUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!!

Edit: After putting the fire in my eyes out by running them under water for a few minutes, I managed to find this for you:

Spoiler:

Hopefully this helps?_________

Btw,

Spoiler:

In unrelated news I'll be posting a rather large post consisting of my chapter review (thoughts/opinions etc.), responses to things we have discussed since the last time I posted, as well as a new idea I had that I really wanted to tell you guys about. I'm just abysmally slow, my sleep schedule is whacked, and I'm currently struggling to keep my grades up in college. I really want to be a regular member with you guys though, so as soon as I get my head out my rear long enough to actually get things tidied up and in order, I'll be doing that, I promise not to disappoint considering how irregular I've been. ...I feel terrible again....

I swear that someday I'm gonna make good on what I said and do something great for both Somber and this community, I just... need... to... focus...

"I had many an unpleasant mutter as I followed Lacunae with a rope tied to my collar." - Oh Blackjack, always suffering for our amusement, poor thing. Sounds like Lacunae had a ball though, I wonder if she's in to that too...

"Their eyes widened as they looked at my SWAT barding and the purple alicorn, and their shouts dwindled as they backed out of our way. Row after row slowly parted." - It never stops being awesome when Blackjack's reputation actually helps her out.Her and Lacunae's little bit of negotiating is pretty sweet too.

"Trust me, the sooner we talk to Blackjack, the sooner she leaves." - Finally, some ponies who understand... Just actually talk to her, tell her what she wants to know, and you won't get your base horribly destroyed in a completely unrelated accident! It's so easy.

Also, I really need a refresher on all the different Enclave ponies sometime, I can't keep straight who a single one of them are...

Definitely a nice bit of description for the arrival of the Raptors and Thunderhead.

"Now, Blackjack, do you know where Dusk is?" - Oh... Of course they didn't bring her back to the Skyport like Blackjack told them to... That would have been much too simple.Well, I do remember LittlePip ran into the pony that looked like Glory up on... whichever Thunderhead that was she infiltrated... so perhaps that was Dusk. At least that would mean she's still alive, which is good.Glory won't be very happy about it though.

"Oh, you'd be surprised how easily the ambitious can put aside a little hatred for more power." - Yeah, it's amazing how quickly people will give up their convictions for the sake of advancement.

Now about Blackjack's little broadcast... I think I can understand why she did it, it's just one of those things that happen... Glory is probably not going to be too happy about it though. Blackjack is most definitely in for it after this little trip.

The Enclave Brass talking is interesting, though I can't think of anything to say about it... I bet it's just rife with meaning and foreshadowing.

It is really sad for Blackjack to lose all of her weapons. I hope she can get them back at some point..."I took out some of my impotent rage on some unsuspecting puddles." - HAH! Take that! You puddles!

Blackjack's talk with Lacunae on the way back to Chapel is really quite painful, and brought me to tears still even rereading it now.I think Blackjack acknowledging how alike they all are, and in particular her line while the two of them are laughing, "You're a real pony, Lacunae. Just like Rampage. Just like all of us. You'll see..." well the entire scene is very emotional.

The conversation between Rampage and P-21 too... I really don't think I can go too much in depth about it right now without completely breaking down crying. It's so full of information and emotion, and it's really well done.Since I'm crying anyways... I'd like to say it's quite interesting to find out how P-21 likes Blackjack's original name better.I think one of the most sad pieces is, "I heard the pair laugh. It was surprising to hear how easy it sounded when I wasn't around."At least... Blackjack seemed to handle it okay... that's something.

After those two incredibly sad scenes, having Scotch get her cutie mark was... well it was still very emotional, but it was much more cheerful. Poor Scotch, was very adorable.

I know it was for a good cause, and I'm sure she'll be happy, but I was still sad to see Blackjack give away Octavia...

I think the ending with Blackjack watching the festivities and talking with the Dealer was a very nice way to end the chapter, especially the closing line.

In all, It was a wonderful chapter. Thank you again, Somber, Hinds, Bronode, and Snipe. *hugs you all together again*

Admiral Stoic Rum wrote:You must be far too fixated on good and evil as a single point of perspective. It is good to sacrifice your firstborn because your god commanded it. it is evil to take concubines, its all a matter of perspective, to a trickster, its not always the laugh that they are after, its not always funny, its always about pulling those invisible strings to manipulate

I'm not going to have an argument about good versus evil. I'm not. I'm not.

All I will say is that in the work a Trickster is presented in, they are presented as either cruel or noble, if that terminology makes it easier for you to swallow than "evil or good".

Whether he has a higher purpose or not, Gin is a cruel person. He has no problem with murdering innocents to achieve his goal. No matter how laudable or important that goal may be, he's at best an antihero, and more likely he's just a villain who happens to have goals that coincide with the heroes'. (And yes, Bleach is pulling crap out of its ass so I'm not really concerned with what retcons get thrown in two hundred chapters down the line to try to change his character from "evil" to merely "The Unfettered".)

Not to go off topic (But to totally go off topic) Gin is not a trickster in the traditional sense. He's got the "you can't tell what's going on in his head" look, but he's not a classic trickster. He's first four appearances the closest he gets is mischievous at best. His "tricks" consist largely of stabbing people with his extending sword. Not exactly top notch on the prank scale.

Also the Gin ass pull is an ass pull because if Mr Snake had wanted to kill Aizen, he literally could have done it any day for years until Aizen got the magical whatisit and even then when Aizen was chilling in the Hueco Mundo he could have killed him at any time up and he never did. That's joining the mafia to take down the mob boss then waiting until the mob boss is diagnosed with terminal cancer to shoot him.

Found this and felt like sharing it. This is the Mondragon rifle, the world's first automatic rifle designed in 1908 by General Manuel Mondragon, badass last name. Despite the design's age I think the rifle has very sexy lines. EDIT: 666 posts. Call a fucking exorcist ponies!

That is a sexy rifle, actually. It's got nice, blocky "I was stamped out of sheet steel" lines and gorgeous wood furniture to boot. And is that a drum clip I see?

Unrelated note:

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Did anyone else notice that Scotch's cutiemark is apparently the freemasonry symbol? (Minus the big 'G' in the middle.) So we've got the masons, augmented vision, super sharp swords, and a killer AI. When does BJ bring about the second postcyperpunkpocalypse by merging with said AI in Area 51?

Wait. Area 51. Chapter 51. My god! It must mean...

Well, nothing at all, actually.

Other unrelated note:

Spoiler:

I knew BJ's friends were hiding something about tenpony, but that they secretly altered her memories, then removed the memory of them tampering with her memories? Between EC1101, the Goddess, brain damage, and her own damn friends, she's not going to have much of a mind left by the end of this. Not that she had much of one to start with. XP

Third and final unrelated note:

I know I haven't been posting much lately. Life started kicking my ass again. School and work and a fun little relapse into good old clinical depression on top of the usual dysthymia. I don't know if my input is ever really valuable, but I do like following you guys' conversations, so I'll try to contribute more.

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Speaking of Masons, I actually have a lot in my family. Can't say anything more than that. *secret agent style go!*Used to be a group of Masons before the modern ones that gave them a bad name. None of the myths you hear are true.

AUGH. Well, my ISP finally did a DNS clear or... something... as of five minutes or so ago, so I'm back online!

And I missed all the chapter talk. :( Well, anyway, I'm back, and theoretically anyone else who got screwed over by the forumotion thing should be trickling back in sooner or later if they're still checking, once things normalize. Blech. Very annoying process over the past few days, trying and failing to get this working. Good to be back. Sad to have missed stuff. Missed you lot. :( Gonna read chapter, review, answer e-mails tonight.

Let's see... anyone watched the first episode of American Horror Story's second season? From what I saw, I'm cautiously optimistic - the pacing was insane, but if they can pull it off, this could be a very memorable season. And I'm liking the possible aliens - "close encounters" are part of Americana that could do with some exploration in the show's style, in my opinion.