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Professor Buzzkill 2,442

To let you know a little secret, the mini-nuke story was placed on the internet as a HOAX in order to discredit 911 Truthers, and it worked!

You might be telling the truth for once. There is so much evidence that the events of 9/11 could not happen the way they have been portrayed that there is no need to bring in the idea of nukes. Some explosives had to be used in order for the building to collapse the way it did. No doubt about it.

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There was no question that the mini-nuke story was a hoax and I even posted a reference to that fact, but, all a person had to do was to look at the clean-up operations at ground zero, which by no means, supported the use of mini-nukes.

Some explosives had to be used in order for the building to collapse the way it did. No doubt about it.

Not true at all. Verinage demolitions do not use explosives to collapse structures in the same manner as the WTC buildings.. Check it out.

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Is it any wonder why I have attacked 911 conspiracy websites for spreading disinformation and as is the case of 'Pilots for 911 Truth,' the spreading of outright lies?

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poppet 170

Why is war profitable for these international global elitist ? why and when did war become profitable ?

Who profits from war, you don’t really need me to walk you through who profited from 9 /11 do you ! well it sure wasn’t the Iraqi’s or the citizens of Afghanistan was it ?their country raped of it’s natural resources, the oil fields divided between the big oil companies , Haliburton securing huge construction contracts after the military had flattened the existing infrastructure ,and how about Halliburton charging $45 for a six-pack of Coca-Cola ,I think you need to do a bit of researching to find out who does profit from war.

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New Halliburton Miscues Revealed: $45 Cases Of Coke, "$85,000 Oil Filters", Employees Paid Not To Work

Whistleblowers' statements confirm: Halliburton gouging the federal government at every turn - from laundry service to supply truck repairs; Haliburton defying Army orders and inflating prices by up to 300%

Schumer, Durbin, Waxman call on the GAO to launch a full investigation into all Haliburton contracts and requisitions

Halliburton equivalent of the "$600 toilet seat" unco

US Senators Charles E. Schumer and Richard Durbin and Congressman Henry Waxman today revealed shocking examples of jaw-dropping price gouging and extraordinary waste by Halliburton and its subsidiaries that have put our men and women in uniform at risk and cost Americans billions in misspent tax dollars. Pointing to Halliburton's equivalents of the famed "$600 toilet seats", including $45 dollar cases of coke and "$85,000 oil filters". Based on these reports Schumer, Durbin and Waxman called for a full investigation by the GAO into every Halliburton contract and requisition.

"Waste, neglect, lack of oversight–these are exactly the things we do not need in a situation as volatile as the one in the Iraq," said Schumer, pointing to an incredibly overpriced can of soda. "These blatant examples of price gouging are reminiscent of the famed "$600 toilet seat" and are exactly what we do not need when our troops are in harms way and wanting for the resources they need and we are so squeezed for funding here at home for such vital needs as health care and education."

"The statements of the six individuals...portray a company and contracting environment that has run amok," wrote Waxman in a recent letter.

“The reports of fraudulent and atrocious behavior on the part of Halliburton and its subsidiaries are stunning – driving empty trucks back and forth while billing the federal government for each trip; charging the taxpayers for 240,000 cases of soda instead of the 240,000 cans they actually delivered; abandoning $85,000 vehicles by the side of the road when they got flat tires rather than making repairs because each truck was just another cost-plus item on a federal contract,” said Durbin. “When you consider the fact that we have 138,000 of our finest men and women risking their lives in Iraq, how can we possibly turn our backs on this type of outrageous profiteering? Why would Congress or the Administration even hesitate about getting to the bottom of a situation that may have cost the taxpayers millions so far and may cost us more in the future?”

Recent statements by Halliburton whistleblowers have revealed a pattern of waste, negligence and lack of proper oversight. The statements also pointed to a concerted effort within the company to hide out of control costs. Procurement supervisors told employees to break down large requisitions so they cost less than $2,500 each -- the level below which they would not be scrutinized. According to a whistleblower, it didn't matter how unreasonably high a bid was, if it was broken up into segments of under $2,500 it was virtually guaranteed to be accepted. The most egregious whistleblower revelations include:

$45 cases of Coke: Halliburton subcontracted with La Nouvelle, a Kuwaiti company, to provide 37,200 cases of soda and ice per month for the remarkable price of $45 for a 30 can case. In one La Nouvelle delivered 37,200 only cans of soda–even though 37,200 cases had been order.

"$85,000 Oil Filters": A former Halliburton "convoy commander" revealed that Halliburton refused to perform even the most basic maintenance on their trucks, such as replacing oil filters, performing oil changes or replacing flat tires. Once a truck got a flat or the filter stopped working, the truck would be abandoned and replaced by a brand new $85,000 truck. One employee drove a truck 59,000 miles without an oil change before it had to be abandoned. Another of the whistleblowers actually cleaned his filter with gasoline to keep his truck working. One truck was abandoned because of a $25 hydraulic line needed to assist the clutch. The line from the mechanics was, "We may not have any filters, but Iraq has plenty of oil."

$100 for 15 lbs Bags of Laundry: Another contract with La Nouvelle for laundry services had a fixed price of between $1 million and $1.2 million per month. Because so little laundry was being done, Halliburton was paying approximately $100 per 15-pound bag of laundry. Under a separate subcontract with the same company, Halliburton was paying on $28 per bag. When a whistleblower brought this to her superiors' attention and recommended renegotiating the million dollar contract, she was told to discontinue her analysis and cease her attempts to fix the problem.

Empty Convoys: Convoys would routinely run with several empty trucks. One convoy ran with 28 empty trucks. These trucks weren't decoys for security purposes -- in fact, they undermined security since some convoys would be as much as two miles long with only three security vehicles protecting them.

Falsified Time Sheets: Employees who had no work to do were told to submit false time sheets claiming 12 hours of work per day and to walk around and "look busy."

Such price gouging was designed to allow Halliburton to maximize the profit from their no bid, plus cost contracts. Given the number and seriousness of these revelations a full investigation by the GAO into every contract secured by Halliburton and its subsidiaries is clearly required. Only by understanding how widespread these outrageous actions are will the proper steps be able to be taken to end such waste, fraud and abuse and insure that America's men and women in uniform are provided with the highest quality services and support at the best cost.

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Grand Moff Tarkin 19,247

Why is war profitable for these international global elitist ? why and when did war become profitable ?

even though it creates huge debt?

For Governments, yes; but for the firms that have contracts to supply to these governments, it's a different kettle of worms. And as we all know, that's who the power really lies with. Or that's with whom the power really lies, if you prefer.

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In response to this myriad of disease, a statement of environmental mercury has been claimed. That claim is not verified in testing of air and particle debris samples by private citizens and organizations. It is possible the mercury quotes are from the federal source of science, the United States Geological Survey’s analysis of the WTC dust debris.

The USGS’s leached analysis did show mercury at the 3rd lowest concentration of metals at the mean value (mv) of 0.011 parts per Billion (ppB). The most abundant element concentration in the leaching tests was Strontium at 1,000 ppB (1 ppM) – 100,000 times more than the mercury value.

It appears that the leaching of the sample was only partial and inadequate as the reader will see from the spectrometry values. Why would only mercury be quoted when there were so many other more dangerous elements at higher concentrations than mercury?

For readers that are not familiar with most of these elements, here is a link to their relevance. There is also a claim of environmental benzene that ‘permeated’ the area in jet fuel as the cause of all of these problems. Once again, we have the quoting of the miraculous jet fuel that burns up in a massive fireball in the first few minutes, then like Christ’s feeding the multitudes, still causes a massive fire inside that reaches the temperatures of a Hades that weakens massive fire proofed steel beams and trusses, then resurrects itself on the permeated ground to cause cancer in one hour of limited exposure.

The US Government’s usage of atomic bombs at the WTC, by Ed Ward MD

Sources:Declassified August 1958: Mere fact that the U. S. has developed atomic munitions suitable for use in demolition work.”Declassified January 1967, The fact that we are interested in and are continuing studies on a weapon for minimizing the emerging flux of neutrons and internal induced activity.” Declassified March 1976, The fact of weapon laboratory interest in Minimum Residual Radiation (MRR) devices. The fact of successful development of MRR devices.

we were discussing agent orange and the blow back from using it in vietnam well after 40 years they have just decided on the compensation claim ,i wonder how long it will take the first responders and the other victims of Ground Zero to be properly diagnosed and compensated.

The Veterans Benefit Administration (VBA) has just announced a new presumptive exposure entitlement due to Agent B for Vietnam Veterans. As usual, this one will only apply to Vets with “boots on the ground” in country from January 9th, 1961 and May 7th, 1975. Preliminary rules are still being drawn up, but the latest word is that it will fall under 38 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Chapter 4, § 4.114 (digestive diseases) Diagnostic Code (DC) 7301:

Moderate; pulling pain on attempting work or aggravated by movements of the body, or occasional episodes of colic pain, nausea, constipation (perhaps alternating with diarrhea) or abdominal distension.

The compensation picture appears to be a maximum of 10% now, but that may change as Congressional hearings progress.

Agent B was widely dispersed near Forward Operating Bases, Fire Bases and remote operating locations via slicks. Dispersal around larger Air and Army Bases was accomplished by C-7, C-123 and C-130 aircraft configured in the cargo mode. Apparently Air America aircraft engaged in this as well, but those records are still classified. Agent B was manufactured by several different chemical companies during the course of the war. Some of the more recognized ones include Adolph Coors Co. (light yellow containers) and the Schlitz Mfg. Co (white with brown lettering and stripes). The canisters were cylindrical and approximately the same diameter as an 81 mm. mortar round. During the early part of the war, the canisters were devoid of an engagement pin and required a special tool to actuate the device. This was affectionately known as a “church key”. Later versions came equipted with self-contained actuators.

Agent B, or as some of you Vets may remember it, Agent Beer, was widely used as a depression suppressant. Unfortunately, the CDC has now determined it actually increased depression. The long term physical debility associated with this agent appears for the most part to be a large, distended abdomen in men. Doctors now refer to this as a “beer belly”. VA physicians have determined that compensation is due when a Vet can no longer see “winky” while standing and looking down.

If you suffer from this malady or have other friends who are Vietnam Vets that do, please tell them to contact a VSO or file a claim with the VA directly. Most AMLEG, AMVET and VFW bartenders have been briefed on this and have all the details if you are unsure whether you qualify. Remember, the earlier you file your claim will result in benefits accruing when VA finally approves this disease for compensation.

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NINETEEN pages on how the twin towers were brought down by atomic bombs??

did they photoshop the planes in then or what??

NINETEEN PAGES!

that's a longer streak of s*!t than a stampeding herd of diahorritic camels!

what, no aliens?

I thought super-secret space-based particle beam weapons were the answer & nukes were old hat?!

gotta move with the times when it comes to CT's poppet or you'll just get left behind in the search for the ''truth''.

nukes brought down the WTC, hilarious!!

the only thing i see as hilarious .......is some believe Bin Ladin and his 19 merry men orchestrated the events of that day , i would say the probability that Mossad took the towers out and some members of the American government knew the time and date and hit the pentagon and wtc 7.thats my Occam's Razor .

America went to war doing the bidding of others (Israeli's)and

now we are all suffering blow back with more radicalized Muslims seeking to take revenge for the complete distruction of there homeland.

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skyeagle409 2,710

the only thing i see as hilarious .......is some believe Bin Ladin and his 19 merry men orchestrated the events of that day ,...

Not too difficult. After all, one person took over PSA 1771 and killed all of those onboard. Another lone hijacker took over a Pacific Airlines aircraft and killed everyone onboard as well. In the Pacific Airlines incident, the captain was the father of a friend of mine.

mainly used to produce the red color in fireworks and Barium is used in

some paints, in the manufacture of some glass products (CRT screens) and

in vacuum tubes. Both elements are highly toxic, their levels are unprecedented,

neither have building applications and shouldn’t be present in

building rubble and neither are valid in even Trace amounts, which would

be less then 10ppm or 10mg/kg.

The enormous peak in Barium and Strontium concentration at WTC01-16

is readily apparent (chart at right). The concentration of the two elements

reaches 3670ppm for Strontium and 3130 for Barium or over 0.3% by

weight of the dust. This means that 0.37% of the sample was Barium and

0.31% of the sample was Strontium by weight at that location, WTC01-16,

Broadway and John Streets. This is higher then the Titanium concentration

at WTC01-16 of 0.25% or 2500ppm and higher then the Titanium Mean or

average of 0.26% or 2600ppm.

Quite simply, this is astronomical. Barium and Strontium compounds are

not valid constituents of concrete or any other building material including

glass, aluminum, plaster and steel. They should not be there at these levels.

Even at the other sampling locations the concentration does not fall below

400ppm for either Barium or Strontium, which is still an astronomically

high level for these elements.

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do you have any ''evidence'' that's NOT taken from conspiracy websites? you know, INDEPENDENT sources? not from people with books to sell/mental health issues? or would you consider them all to be Govt. stooges spreading CIA propaganda....?

hell, why am I even responding to this paranoid twaddle??

forget I mentioned anything, and good luck with the fantasy......

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the only thing i see as hilarious .......is some believe Bin Ladin and his 19 merry men orchestrated the events of that day , i would say the probability that Mossad took the towers out and some members of the American government knew the time and date and hit the pentagon and wtc 7.thats my Occam's Razor .

America went to war doing the bidding of others (Israeli's)and

now we are all suffering blow back with more radicalized Muslims seeking to take revenge for the complete distruction of there homeland.

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the only thing i see as hilarious .......is some believe Bin Ladin and his 19 merry men orchestrated the events of that day

Even the FBI know and knew Bin Laden had nothing to do with it. After all, 9/11 isn't even listed on the most wanted page! You'd think it would be...

"Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."

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Even the FBI know and knew Bin Laden had nothing to do with it. After all, 9/11 isn't even listed on the most wanted page! You'd think it would be...

"Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."

Phase three would have involved Murad either renting, buying, or hijacking a small airplane, preferably a Cessna. The airplane would be filled with explosives. He would then crash it into the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters in the Langley area in Fairfax County, Virginia. Murad had been trained as a pilot in North Carolina, and was slated to be a suicide pilot.

There were alternate plans to hijack a 12th commercial airliner and use that instead of the small aircraft, probably due to the Manila cell's growing frustration with explosives. Testing explosives in a house or apartment is dangerous, and it can easily give away a terrorist plot. Khalid Sheik Mohammed probably made the alternate plan.

A report from the Philippines to the United States on January 20, 1995 stated, "What the subject has in his mind is that he will board any American commercial aircraft pretending to be an ordinary passenger. Then he will hijack said aircraft, control its cockpit and dive it at the CIA headquarters."

Another plot that was considered would have involved the hijacking of more airplanes. The World Trade Center (New York City, New York), The Pentagon (Arlington, Virginia), the United States Capitol (Washington, D.C.), the White House (Washington, D.C.), the Sears Tower (Chicago, Illinois), and the U.S Bank Tower (Los Angeles, California), would have been the likely targets.

Abdul Hakim Murad said that this part of the plot was dropped since the Manila cell could not recruit enough people to implement other hijackings in his confession with Filipino investigators, prior to the foiling of Operation Bojinka.

This plot eventually would be the base plot for the September 11, 2001 attacks which involved hijacking commercial airliners as opposed to small aircraft loaded with explosives and crashing them into their intended targets. However, only the World Trade Center (which was destroyed) and The Pentagon (which suffered partial damage) were hit.

BRITAIN, WARNING #2:Al-Qaeda is the "final stages" of a very serious attack on a Western country

July 16, 2001: British spy agencies send a report to British Prime Minister Tony Blair and other top officials warning that al-Qaeda is in "the final stages" of preparing a terrorist attack in the West. The prediction is "based on intelligence gleaned not just from MI6 and GCHQ but also from US agencies, including the CIA and the National Security Agency," which cooperate with the British. "The contents of the July 16 warning would have been passed to the Americans, Whitehall sources confirmed." The report states there is "an acute awareness" that the attack is "a very serious threat." [London Times, 6/14/02] This information could be from or in addition to a warning based on surveillance of al-Qaeda prisoner Khalid al-Fawwaz (see August 21, 2001). [Fox News, 5/17/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #2:Three al-Qaeda agents are part of a plot "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines"

August 29, 2001: Three men from either Pakistan or Afghanistan living in the Cayman Islands are briefly arrested in June 2001 for discussing hijacking attacks in New York City (see June 4, 2001). On this day, a Cayman Islands radio station receives an unsigned letter claiming these same three men are agents of bin Laden. The anonymous author warns that they "are organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines." The letter is forwarded to a Cayman government official but no action is taken until after 9/11 and it isn't known when the US is informed. Many criminals and/or businesses use the Cayman Islands as a safe, no tax, no questions asked haven to keep their money. The author of the letter meets with the FBI shortly after 9/11, and claims his information was a "premonition of sorts." The three men are later arrested. Its unclear what has happened to them since their arrest. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01,MSNBC, 9/23/01] FTW

EGYPT, WARNING #1: An undercover agent learns 20 al-Qaeda agents are in the US, four have received flight training

Late July 2001 (D): CBS later has a brief mention in a long story on another topic: "Just days after Atta return to the US from Spain, Egyptian intelligence in Cairo says it received a report from one of its operatives in Afghanistan that 20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas. To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn't sound terribly alarming, but they [pass] on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. The request never [comes]." [CBS, 10/9/02] This appears to be one of several accurate Egyptian warnings based on informants

GERMANY: Terrorists will use airplanes as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols"

June 2001: German intelligence warns the CIA, Britain's MI6, and Israel's Mossad that Middle Eastern terrorists are planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols, which stand out." A later article quotes unnamed German intelligence sources who state the information was coming from Echelon surveillance technology, and that British intelligence had access to the same warnings. However, there were other informational sources, including specific information and hints given to, but not reported by, Western and Near Eastern news media six months before 9/11. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01, Fox News, 5/17/02] FTW

ITALY:Muslims warn of an attack on the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons

September 7, 2001: Father Jean-Marie Benjamin is told at a wedding in Todi, Italy of a plot to attack the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons. He isn't told time or place specifics. He immediately passes what he knows to a judge and several politicians. He states: "Although I am friendly with many Muslims, I wondered why they were telling me, specifically. I felt it my duty to inform the Italian government." Benjamin has been called "one of the West's most knowledgeable experts on the Muslim world." Two days after 9/11, he meets with the Italian Foreign Minister on this topic. He says he learned the attack on Britain failed at the last minute. [Zenit, 9/16/01] He has not revealed who told him this information, but could it have been a member of the al-Qaeda cell in Milan (seeAugust 12, 2000 and January 24, 2001), which appears to have helped with the 9/11 attacks?

JORDAN: A major attack using aircraft is planned inside the US

Late summer 2001: Jordanian intelligence (the GID) makes a communications intercept deemed so important that King Abdullah's men relay it to Washington, probably through the CIA station in Amman. To make doubly sure the message gets through it is passed through an Arab intermediary to a German intelligence agent. The message states that a major attack, code named The Big Wedding, is planned inside the US and that aircraft will be used. "When it became clear that the information was embarrassing to Bush Administration officials and congressmen who at first denied that there had been any such warnings before September 11, senior Jordanian officials backed away from their earlier confirmations." Christian Science Monitor calls the story "confidently authenticated" even though Jordan has backed away from it. [International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02] FTW

RUSSIA:Russian intelligence clearly warns the US several times that 25 or so terrorists, including suicide pilots, will attack the US, targeting "important buildings like the Pentagon"

August 2001: Russian President Putin warns the US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also later states, "We had clearly warned them" on several occasions, but they "did not pay the necessary attention." [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] A Russian newspaper on September 12, 2001 claims that "Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks. More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation to these actions a couple of weeks before they happened." Interestingly, the article claims that at least two of the terrorists were Muslim radicals from Uzbekistan. [Izvestia, 9/12/01,

AFGHANISTAN: Al-Qaeda is planning an imminent "huge attack" inside the US that will kill thousands

ARGENTINA: A major terrorist attack is planned against either the US, Argentina, or FranceLate July 2001: The Taliban Foreign Minister Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil learns that bin Laden is planning a "huge attack" on targets inside America. The attack is imminent, and will kill thousands. He learns this from Tahir Yildash, leader of the rebel Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU), which is allied with al-Qaeda at the time. Muttawakil sends an emissary to pass this information on to the US consul general, and another US official, "possibly from the intelligence services," also attends the meeting.

The message is not taken very seriously; one source blames this on "warning fatigue" from too many warnings. Also, supposedly the emissary was from the Foreign Ministry, but didn't say the message came from Muttawakil himself. The emissary then takes the message to the Kabul offices of UNSMA, the political wing of the UN. They also fail to take the warning seriously. [Independent, 9/7/02, Reuters, 9/7/02] Isn't it ironic the US destroyed the Taliban, who tried to warn them of the attacks?

Late July 2001: Argentina's Jewish community receives warnings of a major terrorist attack against either the United States, Argentina or France from "a foreign intelligence source." The warning was then relayed to the Argentine security authorities. It was agreed to keep the warning secret in order to avoid panic while reinforcing security at Jewish sites in the country. Says a Jewish leader, "It was a concrete warning that an attack of major proportion would take place, and it came from a reliable intelligence source. And I understand the Americans were told about it." Argentina has a large Jewish community that has been bombed in the past, and has been an area of al-Qaeda activity. [Forward, 5/31/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #1:June 4, 2001: At some point in 2000, three men claiming to be Afghans but using Pakistani passports enter the Cayman Islands, possibly illegally. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01]

In late 2000, Cayman and British investigators begin a yearlong probe of these men which lasts until 9/11. [Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01] They are overheard discussing hijacking attacks in New York City. On this day, they are taken into custody, questioned and released some time later. This information is forwarded to US intelligence. [Fox News, 5/17/02]

In late August, a letter to a Cayman radio station will allege these same men are agents of bin Laden "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines" (see August 29, 2001).

EGYPT, WARNING #2: Al-Qaeda is in the advanced stages of a "significant operation" probably within the US

August 30-September 4, 2001: According to Egyptian President Hasni Mubarak, Egyptian intelligence warns American officials that bin Laden's network is in the advanced stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, probably within the US. [AP, 12/7/01, New York Times, 6/4/02] He says he learned this information from an agent working inside al-Qaeda. US officials deny receiving any such warning from Egypt. [ABC News, 6/4/02]

FRANCE: An echo of Israel's warning of a major assault on the US

Late August 2001 (D): French intelligence gives a general terrorist warning to the US; apparently its contents echo an Israeli warning from earlier in the month (see Mid-August 2001). [Fox News, 5/17/02]

INDIA: Missed opportunity with White House attack warning

July 2001: India gives the US general intelligence on possible terror attacks; details are not known. US government officials later confirm that Indian intelligence had information "that two Islamist radicals with ties to Osama bin Laden were discussing an attack on the White House," but apparently this particular information is not given to the US until two days after 9/11. [Fox News, 5/17/02]

ISRAEL, WARNING #1: 50 to 200 al-Qaeda terrorists are inside the US and planning an imminent "major assault on the US" aimed at a "large scale target"

August 8-15, 2001: At some point between these dates, Israel warns the US that an al-Qaeda attack is imminent. [Fox News, 5/17/02] Two high ranking agents from the Mossad come to Washington and warn the FBI and CIA that from 50 to 200 terrorists have slipped into the US and are planning "a major assault on the United States." They say indications point to a "large scale target", and that Americans would be "very vulnerable." They add there could be Iraqi connections to the al-Qaeda attack. [Telegraph, 9/16/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/01] The Los Angeles Times later retracts the story after a CIA spokesman says,

ISRAEL, WARNING #2: Israel gives the US a list of 19 terrorists inside the US planning an imminent attack, the list names at least four of the hijackers, including Mohamed Atta

August 23, 2001: According to German newspapers, the Mossad gives the CIA a list of terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the 19 9/11 hijackers or if the number is a coincidence. However, four names on the list are known and are names of the 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. [Die Zeit, 10/1/02, Der Spiegel, 10/1/02, BBC, 10/2/02,Haaretz, 10/3/02] The Mossad appears to have learned about this through its "art student" spy ring (see for instance, March 5, 2002). Yet apparently this warning and list are not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and also not passed on to the FBI. It's not clear if this warning influenced the adding of Alhazmi and Almihdhar to a terrorism watch list on this same day, and if so, why only those two. [Der Spiegel, 10/1/02] Israel has denied that there were any Mossad agents in the US. [Haaretz, 10/3/02] The US has denied knowing about Atta before 9/11, despite other media reports to the contrary (see January-May 2000).

MOROCCO: Al-Qaeda is planning large scale operations in New York City in the fall of 2001, possibly targeting the World Trade Center

Although the JIOA's recruitment of German scientists began after the European Allied victory (8 May 1945), US President Harry Truman did not formally order the execution of Operation Paperclip until August 1945. Truman's order expressly excluded anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism". However, those restrictions would have rendered ineligible most of the leading scientists the JIOA had identified for recruitment, among them rocket scientistsWernher von Braun, Kurt Debus and Arthur Rudolph, and the physician Hubertus Strughold, each earlier classified as a "menace to the security of the Allied Forces".

Operation Paperclip (also Project Paperclip) was the code name for the O.S.S.–U.S. Military rescue of scientists from Nazi Germany, during the terminus and aftermath of World War II. In 1945, the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency was established with direct responsibility for effecting Operation Paperclip.

Following the failure of the German invasion of the Soviet Union (codenamed Operation Barbarossa), and (to a lesser extent) the entry of the U.S. into the war, the strategic position of Germany was at a disadvantage since German military industries were unprepared for a long war. As a result, Germany began efforts in spring 1943 to recall scientists and technical personnel from combat units to places where their skills could be used in research and development:

“Overnight, Ph.D.s were liberated from KP duty, masters of science were recalled from orderly service, mathematicians were hauled out of bakeries, and precision mechanics ceased to be truck drivers.” — Dieter K. Huzel

The recalling first required identifying the men, then tracking them and ascertaining their political correctness and reliability, before being recorded to the Osenberg List, by Werner Osenberg, a University of Hannover engineer-scientist, head of the Wehrforschungsgemeinschaft (Military Research Association). In March 1945, a Polish laboratory technician found the pieces of the Osenberg List in an improperly flushed toilet. Major Robert B. Staver, U.S.A., Chief of the Jet Propulsion Section of the Research and Intelligence Branch of the U.S. Army Ordnance, London, used the Osenberg List to compile his Black List of scientists to be interrogated, headed by rocket scientist Wernher von Braun.

The United States was interested in the technical capability of the Germans. A team of American scientists was dispatched to Europe on August 14, 1945, to collect information and equipment related to German rocket progress. As a result, the components for approximately 100 V-2 ballistic missiles were recovered and shipped from Germany to White Sands Proving Grounds in New Mexico. Also recovered was an invaluable cache of documentation. During October 1945, the Secretary of War approved a plan to bring the top German scientists to the United States to aid military research and development. Near the end of the year, more than 100 Germans, who had agreed to come to the United States under Project Paperclip, arrived at Fort Bliss, Texas. Their assignment was to begin work at nearby White Sands on the V-2 rockets that had already arrived from Germany.

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skyeagle409 2,710

Is half of this from the same "intelligence" groups that swore blind Saddam had WMD....?

That doesn't make any sense considering what happened at Halabja.

1988: Thousands die in Halabja gas attack

Thousands of people are reported to have been killed and many others injured in a poison gas attack on a Kurdish city in northern Iraq. Up to 20 aircraft, said to include Iraqi Migs and Mirages, were seen overhead at around 1100 local time in Halabja.

According to experts, the chemicals dropped by the planes may have included mustard gas, the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX and possibly cyanide.

The attack on Halabja, which is about 150 miles (241km) north-east of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, is the latest in the Iran-Iraq war and follows its occupation by Iranian forces.

Iraq was said to be keen to avenge the fall of Halabja, which is seen as an important centre for Kurdish resistance in their struggle for autonomy.

Britain will help the Iraqi government dispose of what's left of deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons, still stored in two bunkers in north of Baghdad, the British embassy in Baghdad announced Monday.

The British Defense Ministry will start training Iraqi technical and medical workers this year, an embassy statement said. The teams will work to safely destroy remnants of munitions and chemical warfare agents left over from Saddam's regime. He was overthrown in 2003 following an American-led invasion.

Saddam stored the chemical weapons near population centers so that he could access them quickly, despite the danger to his civilian population.

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Who knows what kind of recruitment policies were being practiced to further the ambitions of the powers that be ...

Notes on Project Paperclip

The United States was interested in the technical capability of the Germans. A team of American scientists was dispatched to Europe on August 14, 1945, to collect information and equipment related to German rocket progress. As a result, the components for approximately 100 V-2 ballistic missiles were recovered and shipped from Germany to White Sands Proving Grounds in New Mexico. Also recovered was an invaluable cache of documentation. During October 1945, the Secretary of War approved a plan to bring the top German scientists to the United States to aid military research and development. Near the end of the year, more than 100 Germans, who had agreed to come to the United States under Project Paperclip, arrived at Fort Bliss, Texas. Their assignment was to begin work at nearby White Sands on the V-2 rockets that had already arrived from Germany.

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With their assistance, the United States became the first nation to land a man on the moon.