I've read Cat's "Paper in my Shoe" and I've since been trying out putting petition papers inside my shoes, but the paper ends up torn and fading to nothing by the second day of wearing it/stepping on it.

After a paper has torn itself up/started to dissolve in your shoe, do you throw the pieces of paper away and write a replacement petition paper, or just throw the torn up paper away and consider the spell finished, or just leave the torn up paper in your shoe until the intention of the paper manifests (ie the spell comes true)?

1. No -- and you can read many petition paper spells without candles here:

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2. The purpose of magic is to bring about change in accordance with one's will. There is a form of folk magic called candle magic. Folk magic often (but not always) employs material objects to assist in the effort of will. Such objects may include oils, perfumes, powders, incense, candles, personal concerns, bottles, jars, bags, minerals, herbs, roots, and figurative items. Rerad more about candle magic here:

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3. No. White ink on white paper does not equal a regular petition paper under a white candle.

I was wondering how would I word a petition paper to dominate my son's mothers. I have a sweeten up jar and a reconciliation jar working. But we still tend to have issues from the past that I have caused. I have made major changes which she acknowledges when she isn't mad at me. Once she is mad its point fingers and use the past to justify everything. I got an essence of bend over spell kit in the mail today and I want to do it right. So we can get past this. I did a tarot reading myself and from what I gather it ends up good if I get this spell right. I'm also new at tarot but from what I gather it's good. I can show the pic of the reading to anyone that would like to offer insight. But please help me get this petition right. I would like her to admit her parts of the problems so we can both apologize and move forward. I have apologized for my end already. I just need that extra umph to keep us moving forward if any of this makes sense. Thank you

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I have a quick question around petition writing. I wrote a petition, and what I asked for, I realize does not exist. Basically, it's a car, but the year is not available. This specific car was discontinued in 2011, but I still want one. I petitioned for a 2012. Any tips on what I should do to correct this issue without necessarily disturbing my candle?

Remake your petition. You know, it's like ordering a grilled cheese sandwich at a restaurant and they say they're out of cheese. Ya gotta order something else. That's life -- both in a restaurant and in magic!

Miss Aida .. or anyone ... Hello .. How are you all? Please I am not sure because I don't know but if you doing a court name paper for someone and not yourself how would you do it and which way would you fold it/ Thanks . For example the other ppl are going straight across and the person to win goes the long way across the other? Than fold toward you 3x? Thanks
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Hello everyone ... I been asking a question for days .. I am aware of the site information but that's not what I am looking for. I am looking for how one fold the name paper after placing name especially when it for someone else.

You should write names of the one you want to be on that person side across and their name going down over those names correct but how you fold the paper .. Toward or away .. Once in half or in 3's . Thanks

For you and others, i recommend these two books. Between them they will answer all kinds of questions about making petition papers for every kind of spell, and specifically how to use papers in mojo bags

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apngaa - burn it or keep it. Check the forum either in the search bar or read through the comments, and read the free information on the main site if you'd like answers to questions before asking. There's more than a Bible's worth of information on the site/forums. This is mentioned many times in different places. Good luck,

Shutter gave you a great answer to your question. I'd just like to add that since petition papers are considered spell remnants, they are typically deployed along with the rest of the remnants of the spell. The way that is done depends on the type of spell. To learn more, read this page:

I want to do a work permit petition for someone I know...The Migration Agency crossed over with the person's name, then a ring around it with "favorhergrantworkpermit". Can I write the casenr "Case xxxxx" outside the ring and below on the right of the petition paper? If NOT, where can I write the case number? Thanks!

I'm not sure where to post this exactly so I apologize if this isn't the right place. I decided to do a break up candle spell and I've hit a snag in writing the petition. I have the full names of both of the targets but only have the date of birth for one. Is there another way to work around this or would only having one still work?

1) I don't know, I've always felt that any messages should be in the "circle", but to come and think of it, symbols and sigills are often written in all corners outside so silly me hehe

2) For health petitions for someone else, can I write his/her name and cross it with a command like "Be healthy stay healthy!" Or should I also include a circle with getwellbehealthystayhealthy ? Thanks for suggestions!

Symmetry between the two petitions does bring a certain sense of fulfillment and "rightness" to some practitioners -- but others work by approximation and do not value symmetry too highly. I recommended my book above because it covers this issue in detail. Consider this a second recommendation for the book.

1) While your feelings are, of course, important to you, it is also wise to know that there are hundreds of ways to write petitions, not just in a circle, and you will learn a lot more about folk magic in general and hoodoo in particular if you take time to learn about the widest range of traditional methods.

2) I would not cross and cover a name on a petition for health for the simple reason that you cannot legitimately command someone to be healthy. Rather, i would create a spiral leading to an outcome (removal of disease) or perhaps an enframing square of support (the names of doctors, nurses, or angelic beings) or, my personal default method, create a paper talisman of two Solomonic sigils for health, each inscribed on the back, and the two glued back-to-back with the client's hair between and placed under the candle. It the work is to be ongoing, i would laminate the paper disk for permanence.

For you too, i recommend the book i have written on this subject. It will answer your questions in detail and will open your eyes to the truly amazing number of possibilities found in conjure and in world-wide folk magic.

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I have that book too Cat! Hehe I just looked through the book but I couldn't find the spiral method you mentioned. Are there any links for more specific details or pictures about the spiral to remove illness or enframing square for blessing and health purposes? Although being a member for a long time and frequently reading the forum, this is actually the first time I've read about the spiral method. It's so interesting to always get learn something new!

The spiral method of making petitions is described and shown on pages 12 and 13 of "Paper in My Shoe." You may have overlooked it because the method originated in ancient times as inscriptions made in shallow clay bowls, and perhaps you thought it had nothing to do with modern magic, but it is still used, and works very well, on other surfaces, such as paper or china ware plates.

I’ve tried searching the forum for an answer to this but have had no luck. Apologies if it’s been asked and answered.

I’m about to start a hex and I’m unsure of whether it’s appropriate to have both a petition paper and a photo/name paper at the same time. Is there such a thing as a petition paper written on the back of a photo - creating a combo paper? If I create and use each separately, would it makes sense to fold the photo/name paper into the petition paper, treating it as a personal concern?

I’ve read several posts on this thread and I think I’m overthinking my question—

1) when it comes to name papers and petition papers in honey jars, is there one that’s more necessary than the other? For example— since it’s a honey jar for love does it have to my ex’s name crossed with my name and “return to me love me” circling our names OR could I write something like “If God wills it John Doe will return to me, love me, and be faithful to me” and just fold it and stick it in the jar?

2) Would Block Buster be okay to use on/in a love honey jar if the target is a little stubborn?

I am not sure what your question about petition papers is.. Cat was saying you can write the petition either way If God will or go with a simple statement of come to me and love me, crossing the names in the middle. I go with a simple statement. then you fold it towards you turn it to the right fold again and turn to the right once more.. Going to the right is to draw things to you and folding towards you is to bring things to you as well.

Just a quick question. If I can get the target to write his name 3,7 or 9 times on what will be the petition paper (without his knowledge of what it will be used for, of course), will that be good or will it interfere with the spell work if I don't write his name myself? Thank you?

Would not effect the work, it would be a form of personal concern, but if you can get him that close and ask him to do that with no issue, then also steal some hair while you are at it, use the hair in the work.

I believe that personal concerns are much more effective when given freely by the target.

I have a lot of his blood on tissues that he handed to me. Also he has come back before from the barber and handed me a very generous amount of hair. Also have 3 sets of toe nail clippings. I even have a tiny amount of bone fragment! I've managed to get facial stubble, nose hairs, hair from his back/shoulder, nice amount of pubic hair, and also pure urine. I collect as I can.

I always try to get him to not only hand these to me, but actually verbalise his consent by asking him "can I take this?". Obviously he assumes I am going to throw it away, but bottom line is that he hands it to me and that's consent surely.

I am in the process of preparing to do what I call maintenance work to reinforce my very hard work from 2 years ago which saw him returning to me after a 3 month split (this after he swore up and down that he was done with the relationship and wanted no more contact) . Once he returned he finally committed himself to the relationship even though we had been together 3 years by then. Now he clings to me and wants to get married - this from a commitment phobic man.

I think j82 was pointing out an important concept. Your preference that personal concerns be "freely given" has nothing to do with your idea of keeping your work secret. Most practitioners do keep their work secret from those upon whom they are working, and this is the reason that in hooodoo there is no tradition of personal bodily items being "freely given." I mean, how many people will think to freely give you their toenails?

It is often said that coins used in money spells on a mate (to make the mate more financially generous) are more effective if the coins were freely given -- but this does not apply to personal concerns like handwriting, fingernails, sexual fluids, or hairs. Those are usually sneaked.

Petition styles vary a lot. What sounds right to you may not sound right to another. I am going to give you six ways that your petition might be written, falling into three stylistc groups:

PETITION A HIGHER SOURCE FOR AID
1) "Dear Lord, grant that John Doe will desire me, return to me, and love me. In Jesus' name, Amen."
2) "Grandmother [Name] and Grandfather [Name], as you loved one another in life and were married 70 years and are buried side-by-side, please help John Doe to return to me, love me, marry me, and spend his life with me."

STATE A COMMAND TO THE UNIVERSE
1) "John Doe will desire me, return to me, and love me. Amen."
2) "John Doe will forget all past troubles and will speedily return to me and love me as he did before."

Thank you Sister Jean and Mrs. Cat! I'm going to add that info to my little Lucky Mojo binder that I'm in the midst of creating-- you can never learn too much. I can't wait for this hurricane news to past so I can order some more books-- no need to order now knowing this storm is coming and its going to slow couriers down lol

I wish you well as Hurricane Florence blows through your region. You can read more about petitions in my book "Paper In My Shoe." If you enjoy the books i have written and those i publish, you may also want to take the private course i teach in old-style, traditional rootwork. Details about the course are here:

About four months ago, I began doing love work. I did several that required the full name and date of birth of the target. I worked with what I thought was the correct date of birth. I found out today that the date of birth I wrote in my petition(s) was incorrect. I got the month confused.

I'm wondering what happens when you make a mistake on the dates (like this one)

Must I redo the spells or is my "intention" sufficient enough to make it work despite the error?

I have had weak success or no effect when the birth date or the name was not correct. When i did the work over with the correct information, my results were more sure and satisfying. I speak only for myself here. I would do the work again.

I'm confused about one of my target's names because she seem to have two middle names or either people know her by her middle name and her nickname (I'm not sure if it's her middle name or her nickname)-- my question is since I do know her first name, last name, and DOB can I just use that and not necessarily need the middle name?

I personally would not rewrite a petition under a candle that is already burning. I do not "repurpose" spiritual goods once i have dedicated them to a specific purpose.

If i feel i lit a candle in error, i will put it out.

If i feel i stated an insufficient petition, i would light another candle.

This is not a rule or law; but it is the way i work.

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SagittariusLover128 --

If i do not know the person well and am unsure of his or her legal name, especially if the person uses differing names in different social communities, i use all of the person's known names, nicknames, and variants of spelling -- in other words, more names, not fewer.

However, sometimes, when a person has gone to great trouble to create self-flattering false names in social contexts online, i call out only the simple legal name by which he or she would be booked in court, stripping away the preening peacock names and grand titles that were crafted to serve as insulation against identification.

What would be the best way to word a petition? "May my work be valued and appreciated by so and so" (ie this would be the work on myself - Crown of Success?) or "May so and so value and appreciate my work" (ie working on the other person - Boss Fix?). I've been doing this for years, but this got me stumped.

I have two bosses above me and the purpose for this is job security and to get in on the inner circle.

Thank you in advance! Is it okay to have one candle for this one petition mentioning 2 bosses? Thank you!