Absolutely. She was shook last season when they showed her he wall of accomplices and she was still shook this episode. She was asking way more questions than she normally would have. She's definitely helping the FBI.

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Absolutely. She was shook last season when they showed her he wall of accomplices and she was still shook this episode. She was asking way more questions than she normally would have. She's definitely helping the FBI.

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Feel like I need to rewatch that last like 20 minutes lol. I have no idea what was going on, although I was super tired when watching it already. It sounds like theres some sort of time travel mechanism at play or atleast alluded too. I didnt think this show was going to be that crazy lol

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Feel like I need to rewatch that last like 20 minutes lol. I have no idea what was going on, although I was super tired when watching it already. It sounds like theres some sort of time travel mechanism at play or atleast alluded too. I didnt think this show was going to be that crazy lol

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I really hope the alternate reality stuff is not a fakeout. I want to see what they can do. They haven't really gone wrong yet. I'm also very impressed with how they pivoted to match the post-Trump world. Elliott wanted to take down Ecorp and give power back to the people, but all that happened was the system proved too big to fail and the people too meek and terrible to do anything. It's bleak but it's honest imo.

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It's not like you to say sorry, I was waiting on a different story. This time I'm mistaken for handing u a heart worth breaking. I've been wrong, I've been down into the bottom of every bottle. These 5 words in my head scream "Are we having fun yet"

I would feel kind of hurt if it was time travel or alternate reality. It seems... dumb for a show of this caliber. Like, at the end Elliot and Angela walk off into a portal to hug their parents. Seems a bit... much.

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I would feel kind of hurt if it was time travel or alternate reality. It seems... dumb for a show of this caliber. Like, at the end Elliot and Angela walk off into a portal to hug their parents. Seems a bit... much.

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But I kinda felt lost on a small thing. Is there a reason why they want to convince Elliot stage 2 is over? And how did Angela do that. I feel like I missed something big somewhere. Is it the scene with the new guy on the BBQ-house where Elliot said he didn't want to do it and he just accepted it like nothing? Feels like I missed something and it's gnawing on me.

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But I kinda felt lost on a small thing. Is there a reason why they want to convince Elliot stage 2 is over? And how did Angela do that. I feel like I missed something big somewhere. Is it the scene with the new guy on the BBQ-house where Elliot said he didn't want to do it and he just accepted it like nothing? Feels like I missed something and it's gnawing on me.

They're all aware of Elliot's dual personality and that the Mr Robot persona is the one that runs things. Tyrell came to this conclusion in the S2 finale. I assume Angela and Irving were made aware of this fact from whiterose. So they just let Elliot believe he's still in control so he doesn't do anything drastic.

My biggest question is why Mr Robot isn't aware of what happens when Elliot is the conscious one. What changed?

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But I kinda felt lost on a small thing. Is there a reason why they want to convince Elliot stage 2 is over? And how did Angela do that. I feel like I missed something big somewhere. Is it the scene with the new guy on the BBQ-house where Elliot said he didn't want to do it and he just accepted it like nothing? Feels like I missed something and it's gnawing on me.

It's not that they want to convince Elliot that stage 2 is over. Elliot closed the backdoor, so they can't use the exploit to try and detonate the ECorp building via maliciously attacking the UPSes. The problem now is Mr. Robot (he had no idea Elliot managed to close it in the first place) and Angela have to find a way to open either the same backdoor or find another one in ECorp's network. Plus Irving did issue a threat in that they'll allow Elliot to stop but sooner or later, he's going to cave to their demands of going forth with Stage 2.

Additionally, Irving, Tyrell and whiterose's assistant are starting to see how unstable Elliot's mental state actually is. So they have no idea if he actually wants to execute Stage 2 or not. That's why Irving was skeptical towards Angela when they see Elliot acting as Mr. Robot.

They're all aware of Elliot's dual personality and that the Mr Robot persona is the one that runs things. Tyrell came to this conclusion in the S2 finale. I assume Angela and Irving were made aware of this fact from whiterose. So they just let Elliot believe he's still in control so he doesn't do anything drastic.

My biggest question is why Mr Robot isn't aware of what happens when Elliot is the conscious one. What changed?

Whiterose doesn't know anything about Elliot's mental state (or at least there's no indication to believe that she knows). She was dumbfounded when Xun asked her about Elliot asking what stage 2 was via the phone hack that recorded their conversation. She responded that it was his (Elliot's) idea to begin with. The only person who really knows is Angela given their history and they fact that she was the one who saw Elliot dissociate. Tyrell still is shaken up and confused by wtf happened.

As for Mr. Robot's lack of awareness, it starts in season 2 when both characters start to break off and dissociate when they never intended to. I couldn't tell you why but one of my theories is that Elliot and Mr. Robot are starting to blend in.

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They're all aware of Elliot's dual personality and that the Mr Robot persona is the one that runs things. Tyrell came to this conclusion in the S2 finale. I assume Angela and Irving were made aware of this fact from whiterose. So they just let Elliot believe he's still in control so he doesn't do anything drastic.

My biggest question is why Mr Robot isn't aware of what happens when Elliot is the conscious one. What changed?

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They're all aware of Elliot's dual personality and that the Mr Robot persona is the one that runs things. Tyrell came to this conclusion in the S2 finale. I assume Angela and Irving were made aware of this fact from whiterose. So they just let Elliot believe he's still in control so he doesn't do anything drastic.

My biggest question is why Mr Robot isn't aware of what happens when Elliot is the conscious one. What changed?

Irving does not know that he has a split personality. In fact in the wheelbarrow scene or the one right after he remarks that Elliot didn't recognize him and why was that. So I'm sure he sees he's unstable but doesn't know about his split

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Irving does not know that he has a split personality. In fact in the wheelbarrow scene or the one right after he remarks that Elliot didn't recognize him and why was that. So I'm sure he sees he's unstable but doesn't know about his split

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I'm wondering if the technology that Whiterose is developing isn't something similar to what William Gibson explored in his 2014 novel, The Peripheral. IIRC, quantum computing advances allows some mysterious firm, presumed to be Chinese, to create a server system that can spawn 'stubs', basically copies of the universe that instantly fork off from our own past at whichever point the owner initially connects to the stub. The owner can then continue to interject themselves into that world to cultivate changes and whatnot, and there are methods for allowing people from the stubs to the present reality through a form of telepresence. It was kind of a unique spin that merges alternate realities, virtual realities, simulations, etc.

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The path Angela started taking earlier on in the series interested me, but then I started getting slightly annoyed and confused by her character, but then when I realized that her long pauses are exactly like Elliot's but without us getting the inner monologue, I started being intrigued again.

What if she has her own Mr Robot? Maybe it's her other self that wants to manipulate Elliot, but her "real" self doesn't.

I don't actually expect her to have her own Mr Robot, but the thought of it still made me interested in her more.

Assuming Angela is the one and only personality, I don't completely buy that she's entirely against Elliot and on Mr Robot's & Whiterose's side.

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The path Angela started taking earlier on in the series interested me, but then I started getting slightly annoyed and confused by her character, but then when I realized that her long pauses are exactly like Elliot's but without us getting the inner monologue, I started being intrigued again.

What if she has her own Mr Robot? Maybe it's her other self that wants to manipulate Elliot, but her "real" self doesn't.

I don't actually expect her to have her own Mr Robot, but the thought of it still made me interested in her more.

Assuming Angela is the one and only personality, I don't completely buy that she's entirely against Elliot and on Mr Robot's & Whiterose's side.

Angela is 'special' the same way Elliot is, whatever that means on this show. They just haven't shown as much of it, and what they have shown isn't super clear. Whiterose talks about them both in the beginning of the episode.