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re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Now I should take the time to point out that one should well note that the Jews are the kind of people who would have a state, despite it's flaws, that would put such a report on it's website. I got that excerpt right from the Israeli government website. Indeed the Jewish people in various roles throughout the world tend to help practically form some of principles of good governance and some degree of justice. That report was rather damning of Sharon.

re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Originally Posted by MildSteel

Now I should take the time to point out that one should well note that the Jews are the kind of people who would have a state, despite it's flaws, that would put such a report on it's website. I got that excerpt right from the Israeli government website. Indeed the Jewish people in various roles throughout the world tend to help practically form some of principles of good governance and some degree of justice. That report was rather damning of Sharon.

In light of the current Govt's policies, I haven't been in an Israel-defending mood for a few years.

Of course, your string is based on a Preposterous Israel-bashing premise.
No one can be 'forced' to sign the NPT, and those in it are free to withdraw.
Iran/Ayatollah Iran, REaffirmed the Treaty in the 90s Knowing Full well Israel had Nukes and they didn't.
The are free to Withdraw from it.
So making it mandatory for Israel TO join is just a piece of selective absurdity/hostility.

And when Israel developed Nukes it was (and still is) in a UNIQUE geostrategic situation. Literally, a few million surround by 50 times their number.NO Country, including the USA or former USSR, Ever had a better justification for developing and possessing Nukes.

re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Originally Posted by mbig

In light of the current Govt's policies, I haven't been in an Israel-defending mood for a few years.

At least youre open minded. I can respect that even though we differ on our opinions. Its a vast improvement over others here who seek to defend Isreal no matter what- even to the point of trying to justify the banning of chocolate and pasta is due to "terrorism".

re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Originally Posted by Montecresto

That's not what I said, it appears your the one twisting things for your own agenda. By any estimation, the Jews should be the last people imprisoning and oppressing anybody. One would think that they knew the lessons of its horror more than any other people. Fascinating that you excuse prison camps for Palestinians due to your selfish hatred and bigotry towards the more indigenous people's of the land that the occupiers now hold siege to these last seven decades. What a pathetic position you occupy.

Hilarious, but no. You have indeed twisted the Prime Minister of the UK's words from saying that Gaza is a prison camp to saying that it is a concentration camp so you could then claim that "Jews are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to them" in a blatant antisemitic primitive and repulsive manner. I find the very notion that you sincerely believe your position holds any morality in it at all to be insanely absurd as you are suggesting that Jews cannot defend themselves from terrorism and as you are comparing the act of self-defense employed by Jews to the act of mass genocide employed by the Nazis. You are a very sick individual with a very inhuman take on life. Pretty much it. But yeah sure go ahead and claim your words are being distorted when they are very well documented on these boards. Good luck with that mate.

"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Originally Posted by MildSteel

Oh no. I based it on two indisputable facts.

The first is, the second? Not at all.

And although we are off the subject matter of this thread, we could talk about it some more. You see this isn't the only time Sharon has been responsible for a massacre of innocent women and children. Consider this

I've already referred to this. He was found at being irresponsible. Some drone strike conducted by America not long ago had killed a lot of civilians. Does that make Obama a war criminal? Or the commanders on the ground? Ridiculous.

You see if you really want to start to get into it, it's one of those things that forms a pattern of behavior. And we could go on and on about Mr Sharon and his grotesque history of violence towards innocent people. Indeed their is ample good, rational reason to view him as a butcher and a war criminal.

I've already stated beforehand that there were two incidents when he acted inappropriately; one was the massacres he did not preclude and one was the Qibya incident he was being irresponsible. Your refusal to admit that you have no case whatsoever to label the man a "war criminal" is ridiculous and very sad to watch.

"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Originally Posted by mbig

In light of the current Govt's policies, I haven't been in an Israel-defending mood for a few years.

Of course, your string is based on a Preposterous Israel-bashing premise.
No one can be 'forced' to sign the NPT, and those in it are free to withdraw.
Iran/Ayatollah Iran, REaffirmed the Treaty in the 90s Knowing Full well Israel had Nukes and they didn't.
The are free to Withdraw from it.
So making it mandatory for Israel TO join is just a piece of selective absurdity/hostility.

And when Israel developed Nukes it was (and still is) in a UNIQUE geostrategic situation. Literally, a few million surround by 50 times their number.NO Country, including the USA or former USSR, Ever had a better justification for developing and possessing Nukes.

Precisely.
Those who wish Israel to be "required" to sign it seek for a special standard regarding Israel that they seek not regarding any other nation.
It's meaningless. Nothing but an anti-Israeli hateful rant.

"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

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Re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Originally Posted by mbig

Of course, your string is based on a Preposterous Israel-bashing premise.
No one can be 'forced' to sign the NPT, and those in it are free to withdraw.
Iran/Ayatollah Iran, REaffirmed the Treaty in the 90s Knowing Full well Israel had Nukes and they didn't.
The are free to Withdraw from it.
So making it mandatory for Israel TO join is just a piece of selective absurdity/hostility.

I said they could refuse it they wanted. Also I proposed them joining as a nuclear weapons state under certain conditions.

Originally Posted by mbig

And when Israel developed Nukes it was (and still is) in a UNIQUE geostrategic situation. Literally, a few million surround by 50 times their number.NO Country, including the USA or former USSR, Ever had a better justification for developing and possessing Nukes.

They haven't had to use any of their nuclear weapons so far. What do anticipate happening that will change that?

Originally Posted by mbig

Now I see you Dragged up old Sabra and Shatilla.

Well its off limits in this thread now. But he kept pressing the issue.

Re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Originally Posted by Apocalypse

Hilarious, but no. You have indeed twisted the Prime Minister of the UK's words from saying that Gaza is a prison camp to saying that it is a concentration camp so you could then claim that "Jews are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to them" in a blatant antisemitic primitive and repulsive manner. I find the very notion that you sincerely believe your position holds any morality in it at all to be insanely absurd as you are suggesting that Jews cannot defend themselves from terrorism and as you are comparing the act of self-defense employed by Jews to the act of mass genocide employed by the Nazis. You are a very sick individual with a very inhuman take on life. Pretty much it. But yeah sure go ahead and claim your words are being distorted when they are very well documented on these boards. Good luck with that mate.

Deleted as per mod warning. Meet you in the other thread if you'd like.