Open TRT users like Vitor and Henderson and Marquardt are the ONLY fighters in the entire sport who EVER have to give blood so that their actual testosterone levels can be measured and determined to be in a "normal" range.

Pennslyvania AC: "Marquardt’s testosterone levels were above the allowable number in a recent test, which would have been in the past three weeks, since that’s when Marquardt said he started his latest round of therapy. The commission ruled that he needed to get those numbers down to normal range or he would not be allowed to fight...if you have an exemption, you would have to be measured with a different test, a blood testosterone test, showing that the artificial testosterone is not giving you unfair performance enhancing benefits either in training or fighting."

CSAC: "For a testosterone exemption specifically, Dodd said an applicant would be asked to provide blood tests prior to (30 days before) and after a contest to ensure levels were within acceptable margins. "

Again, let's restate this: Guys with TUEs are the ONLY fighters in the sport who are required to take blood tests and who EVER have to show that their actual testosterone level is within a normal range. Guys without TUEs can basically do whatever the fuck they want and have skyhigh test levels as long as their RATIO of test to epi is under 6:1 ON FIGHT NIGHT. What's the test level of a guy with "average" test of 600ng/dL if he "supplements" and gets his test:epi ratio to 6:1? 3600ng/dL. Meanwhile the "acceptable limit" for guys with TUEs is certainly far, FAR below that. So who has the advantage?

Open TRT users like Vitor and Henderson and Marquardt are the ONLY fighters in the entire sport who EVER have to give blood so that their actual testosterone levels can be measured and determined to be in a "normal" range.

Pennslyvania AC: "Marquardt’s testosterone levels were above the allowable number in a recent test, which would have been in the past three weeks, since that’s when Marquardt said he started his latest round of therapy. The commission ruled that he needed to get those numbers down to normal range or he would not be allowed to fight...if you have an exemption, you would have to be measured with a different test, a blood testosterone test, showing that the artificial testosterone is not giving you unfair performance enhancing benefits either in training or fighting."

CSAC: "For a testosterone exemption specifically, Dodd said an applicant would be asked to provide blood tests prior to (30 days before) and after a contest to ensure levels were within acceptable margins. "

Again, let's restate this: Guys with TUEs are the ONLY fighters in the sport who are required to take blood tests and who EVER have to show that their actual testosterone level is within a normal range. Guys without TUEs can basically do whatever the fuck they want and have skyhigh test levels as long as their RATIO of test to epi is under 6:1 ON FIGHT NIGHT. What's the test level of a guy with "average" test of 600ng/dL if he "supplements" and gets his test:epi ratio to 6:1? 3600ng/dL. Meanwhile the "acceptable limit" for guys with TUEs is certainly far, FAR below that. So who has the advantage?

So remind me why Vitor is getting all the hate for cheating?

Great post if this is all accurate. So what exactly does a blood test tell the commission? Does this disprove the notion of "synthetic" testosterone? Elaborate more for me.

"I have never said, or even seen anyone else say that 'TRT won that fight for Vitor'..."

That's not what I said either. I merely repeated what you DID say in multiple threads: That because of TRT, Vitor was able to drill that kick far more times than he would have been able to otherwise, and that's how TRT helped him land that kick.

Open TRT users like Vitor and Henderson and Marquardt are the ONLY fighters in the entire sport who EVER have to give blood so that their actual testosterone levels can be measured and determined to be in a "normal" range.

Pennslyvania AC: "Marquardt’s testosterone levels were above the allowable number in a recent test, which would have been in the past three weeks, since that’s when Marquardt said he started his latest round of therapy. The commission ruled that he needed to get those numbers down to normal range or he would not be allowed to fight...if you have an exemption, you would have to be measured with a different test, a blood testosterone test, showing that the artificial testosterone is not giving you unfair performance enhancing benefits either in training or fighting."

CSAC: "For a testosterone exemption specifically, Dodd said an applicant would be asked to provide blood tests prior to (30 days before) and after a contest to ensure levels were within acceptable margins. "

Again, let's restate this: Guys with TUEs are the ONLY fighters in the sport who are required to take blood tests and who EVER have to show that their actual testosterone level is within a normal range. Guys without TUEs can basically do whatever the fuck they want and have skyhigh test levels as long as their RATIO of test to epi is under 6:1 ON FIGHT NIGHT. What's the test level of a guy with "average" test of 600ng/dL if he "supplements" and gets his test:epi ratio to 6:1? 3600ng/dL. Meanwhile the "acceptable limit" for guys with TUEs is certainly far, FAR below that. So who has the advantage?

So remind me why Vitor is getting all the hate for cheating?

Wow, such stringent tests it must be impossible for any of them to abuse TRT given that they have to to TWO WHOLE blood tests....one before and one after the fight!!!! ZOMG the extensive testing! For sure that is all that is needed to ensure they are totally just using TRT to get to "normal" levels....whatever that even means.

Only way Anderson could have KO'd Vitor with that kick Seagal taught him is if he practiced it an extraordinary amount of times, fueled by roids.

Now you've actually gone full retard. Congrats.

"It sure didn't teach him that kick.......but how much harder and longer he was able to drill/train/spar with the help if the roids certainly could have had an impact on that kick landing and winning him that fight."

"Wow, such stringent tests it must be impossible for any of them to abuse TRT given that they have to to TWO WHOLE blood tests....one before and one after the fight!!!! ZOMG the extensive testing! For sure that is all that is needed to ensure they are totally just using TRT to get to "normal" levels....whatever that even means."

How many blood tests do fighters without TUEs have to submit to? What levels do fighters without TUEs have to come in under?

"I have never said, or even seen anyone else say that 'TRT won that fight for Vitor'..."

That's not what I said either. I merely repeated what you DID say in multiple threads: That because of TRT, Vitor was able to drill that kick far more times than he would have been able to otherwise, and that's how TRT helped him land that kick.

You also called my notion "wildly unfounded" despite almost every single fighter, trainer and Dr. confirmations that boosting your testosterone absolutely allows you to train/drill/spar harder and longer. Keep trying to avoid reality to support yet another pro-zuffa agenda.

Only way Anderson could have KO'd Vitor with that kick Seagal taught him is if he practiced it an extraordinary amount of times, fueled by roids.

Now you've actually gone full retard. Congrats.

"It sure didn't teach him that kick.......but how much harder and longer he was able to drill/train/spar with the help if the roids certainly could have had an impact on that kick landing and winning him that fight."

--- LnP Ninja

What kind of idiotic response is that?

Is Anderson on TRT? Has he tested positive for steroids? You're really not good at this.

Ice Cold Igors Right Hand - I don't agree with the use of TRT for the most part, but all the ppl saying 'TRT won that fight for Vitor' have ZERO knowledge of the martial arts.

TRT has nothing to do with perfect technique.

*eagerly awaits LnP's wildly unfounded insistence that, fueled by TRT, Vitor practiced that kick for 19 hours a day for three months*

Vitor doesn't believe he can win without trt...that's why he takes it. Vitor has probably destroyed his body's ability to create natural testosterone after a decade+ of steroid abuse and can't train at any kind of level without steroids anymore.

"Wow, such stringent tests it must be impossible for any of them to abuse TRT given that they have to to TWO WHOLE blood tests....one before and one after the fight!!!! ZOMG the extensive testing! For sure that is all that is needed to ensure they are totally just using TRT to get to "normal" levels....whatever that even means."

How many blood tests do fighters without TUEs have to submit to? What levels do fighters without TUEs have to come in under?

Irrelevant. Those other fighters are not asking for a permission slip to take steroids.

Only way Anderson could have KO'd Vitor with that kick Seagal taught him is if he practiced it an extraordinary amount of times, fueled by roids.

Now you've actually gone full retard. Congrats.

"It sure didn't teach him that kick.......but how much harder and longer he was able to drill/train/spar with the help if the roids certainly could have had an impact on that kick landing and winning him that fight."

--- LnP Ninja

What kind of idiotic response is that?

Is Anderson on TRT? Has he tested positive for steroids? You're really not good at this.

Wait, I thought you put zero credence in AC/Zuffa testing? You don't believe that open TRT users who provide medical documentation of their treatment are adhering to regulations, why do you believe it of anyone else?

What is this bizarro logic by which you conclude that the guys who come forward and apply for exemptions and submit medical documentation are the ones who have something to hide?

And yet he has to meet the same limits and pass all the same tests at the same standards as fighters without the TUE...and in addition to that, he has to submit blood tests that show his ACTUAL testosterone levels, something they don't have to do.

Only way Anderson could have KO'd Vitor with that kick Seagal taught him is if he practiced it an extraordinary amount of times, fueled by roids.

Now you've actually gone full retard. Congrats.

"It sure didn't teach him that kick.......but how much harder and longer he was able to drill/train/spar with the help if the roids certainly could have had an impact on that kick landing and winning him that fight."

--- LnP Ninja

What kind of idiotic response is that?

Is Anderson on TRT? Has he tested positive for steroids? You're really not good at this.

Wait, I thought you put zero credence in AC/Zuffa testing? You don't believe that open TRT users who provide medical documentation of their treatment are adhering to regulations, why do you believe it of anyone else?

What is this bizarro logic by which you conclude that the guys who come forward and apply for exemptions and submit medical documentation are the ones who have something to hide?

This shouldn't be hard to grasp if you don't have an agenda:

Vitor has tested positive for roids in the past.

Vitor now has a permission slip to take more steroids with a very small amount of blood testing from a commission that is newly formed in a country full of corruption on the government level.

It's not bizarro logic to think that the current testing and regulating of TRT "patients", who want to fight in combat sports, is a joke.

It's also not bizarro of me to think that other fighters who have NEVER had any issues with steroids should be held to the same standards as known abusers.

LMFAO@ you trying to call it "zuffa" testing. Zuffa and Dana CLAIMED they were going to "test the shit out of fighters who are on TRT"......yet one of the FIRST chances they have to back up that claim and Ratner comes out and says they didn't do a DAMN thing to test Vitor, and passed the buck off to the Brazil Commission.

"LMFAO@ you trying to call it "zuffa" testing. Zuffa and Dana CLAIMED they were going to "test the shit out of fighters who are on TRT"......yet one of the FIRST chances they have to back up that claim and Ratner comes out and says they didn't do a DAMN thing to test Vitor, and passed the buck off to the Brazil Commission."

I'm not calling it Zuffa testing. I'm saying you would dismiss Zuffa testing, you dismiss AC testing, yet you seem very confident that Anderson and other fighters are PED-free because they haven't failed tests administered by those inept, corrupt organizations whose tests you don't find credible.

Wouldn't the athletic commission doing the testing be preferable to you anyway? I'm sure if Zuffa did it you would say they would just squash the results if they were positive.

"It's not bizarro logic to think that the current testing and regulating of TRT "patients", who want to fight in combat sports, is a joke."

It's more testing and regulation than anyone NOT applying for a TUE is subject to. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? There is NOTHING stopping ANY fighter from doing everything a TUE guy does, and more, and it will be FAR easier for them to get away with it.

"It's also not bizarro of me to think that other fighters who have NEVER had any issues with steroids should be held to the same standards as known abusers."

Are you so naive as to think the only incidences of roid use in MMA are the few dozen positive tests? Did Vitor and Randleman just try roids once for the hell of it, and never before or after? When someone like Jeremy Horn, who has trained and trained with everyone in the sport, says 80% are on roids, do you just pretend you don't hear it?

Get this through your head: Your favorite "clean" athlete can do EVERYTHING Vitor can do, and can get away with it a HELL of a lot easier, because he NEVER has to take a blood test, and rarely if ever has to take ANY kind of random test.

You called it zuffa testing...Zuffa claimed they would "test the shit out of them" (fighters on trt)...yet you completely dicktuck the fact that zuffa did NOTHING to test vitor and deflected when questioned on it.

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