i hope not, I dont want to be forced to watch NETS basketball games and reruns of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

who said there would be basketball. they're due to go a year earlier. maybe if the NHL finds a way to violate the CBA, the PA can call a strike in a tit for tat move and then EVERYONE will have a work stoppage at once.

After the Hossa deal the NHL should of just said "Alright that was the last loophole contract". Instead now they started a unnecessarily fight. Smart thing to do, let Kovy deal through then say no more instead of say no when one of these contracts comes up.

After the Hossa deal the NHL should of just said "Alright that was the last loophole contract". Instead now they started a unnecessarily fight. Smart thing to do, let Kovy deal through then say no more instead of say no when one of these contracts comes up.

smart thing to do would have been to structure the Kovalchuk deal 100% the same way as the Hossa deal. just with more money involved, but the salary scale and years exactly the same, maybe add a year or two but balance it out fairly.

both sides were dumb. it would be hilarious if they lost Kovalchuk because of poor contract structure after the dog and pony show. it would obliterate what would have been otherwise a good offseason, if they had not signed Kovalchuk at all.

After the Hossa deal the NHL should of just said "Alright that was the last loophole contract". Instead now they started a unnecessarily fight. Smart thing to do, let Kovy deal through then say no more instead of say no when one of these contracts comes up.

Hard to do that when the CBA allows it and you just set more precedents until they finally say stop. IMO, after last season with Pronger and Hossa, they should have just let it go until the next round of CBA negotiations.

However, as it has been said on this board that would have weakened their position for the next negotiation. It's entirely possible that if this does go to the arbitrator and if the NHLPA wins then it would make for some fierce negotiations in 2012.

Let me explain this nice and slowly...Now, a coherent response is welcome. I don't know how to respond to smiley faces and name calling.

Ugh what a mess. Looks like this is heading to arbitration. I really hope Lou can still proceed with the moves necessary to clear up the cap space, etc. If he waits until the final decision, it could be too late.

Well there's your only reason Buttman needed to veto the contract right there.

because they'd save everyone involved a lot of trouble if they acquiesced.

Mainly us.

If this were the political forum I'd call that a real non-American, Democratic way of doing things.

this is still fvcking team goddamnit

That's what I thought too, that a new deal could be created to avoid the arbitration...in fact the rule I posted seems to suggest it. But I agree with you, that since I haven't heard any sportswriters mention the clause I posted it doesn't apply for some reason.

But doing so does say, "OK WE agree that the first contract was a farse and not legal" By sticking by the 17 yr deal they are saying it is legit and should stick.

I feel like this is a situation where the system works. In order to sign Kovalchuk for a reasonable cap hit, the team had to commit to him long term,

That right there should be allowed and rewarded. The team is taking a risk yoking themselves to ANYONE long term. There is a risk to that.

If the NHL loses then everyone knows the NHL has no bullets left to fire. You don't waste your last bullet on a shot across the bow, IMO.

Unless you are trying to scare a sh!tload of muggers (GM's) with only one bullet.

Edited by Masked Fan, 22 July 2010 - 04:54 PM.

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Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is!Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

26.12 Joint Discussions on Possible Circumventions. Each Investigator shall notifythe other after he has concluded an investigation under Section 26.10. Within three (3)days after such notification, and prior to the Investigator's issuance of a report concerningthe results of such investigation, the parties shall meet and confer to try to resolve thematter. If the parties reach a resolution, the Investigator reserves the discretion as towhether to issue a report concerning the alleged Circumvention. If the matter is notresolved, the Investigator shall issue a report concerning the alleged Circumvention.Neither the NHL nor NHLPA may commence any action before the System Arbitratorpursuant to Section 26.13 below prior to the parties having met and conferred pursuant tothis Section 26.12.

So once a grievance is filed(and a systems arbitrator picked) an investigator goes through everyone's emails and stuff, or whatever the arbitrator will allow.

Then the investigator tells makes a report(I'm assuming he does this even though it's not being released yet) of their opinion on if circumvention has happened.

Then Kovy, Grossman, The Devils, The NHL, and probably the investigator meet up and try to resolve the issue before going to the arbitrator.

If they don't come to an agreement then the parties go before the arbitrator and the investigator issues his report.

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So really there is no need for the Devils and Kovy to renegotiate now. They have until the investigation is completed, before the actual arbitration, to construct something with the league that works for everyone. After the investigation everyone would probably have a better idea on where they stand.

The System Arbitrator may find a Circumvention has occurred based ondirect or circumstantial evidence, including without limitation, evidence that an SPC orany provision of an SPC cannot reasonably be explained in the absence of conductprohibited by this Article 26. The investigation and findings of the Investigator pursuantto Section 26.10 shall be fully admissible in any proceeding before the System Arbitratorunder this Section 26.13.

That shows that direct proof isn't needed for either side to make their case.

Edited by Devils731, 22 July 2010 - 05:02 PM.

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