Is this “talking” for a 16 week old?

If you could please have a look at the attached link of my little one and the noises she makes befoare vomiting and let me know if you think this could be her talking?. It does sound like it, it’s just that it’s always followed by vomit (alhough she doesn’t make the noise every time she vomits by any means). It does seemed to have increased in the last few days (the noises), she has also seemed to be more alert which has been wonderful.

She used to literally look the other way when I tried to interact, she still does that sometimes - but not all the time now which is wonderful.

Anyway, just curious about her talking and if it could be that maybe she just can’t control her vomit as well when she’s talking or if it’s just a noise caused by her need to vomit.

I just read your other post where you discuss her throwing up after every feed. I exclusively breastfed all three of my kids. Excessive spit up was always an issue because I had a forceful letdown and over supply. Over supply is a very common issue. With forceful letdown baby may struggle to keep up with feeding during letdown and they end up swallowing air. Just something else to consider. I also would keep baby upright immediately after feeding, not lying down.

Also, it’s important to distinguish between spit up and vomit. Spit up may look like a large volume but it’s not more than an ounce. Pour out an ounce of liquid and you’ll see just how much that looks like when it comes back up. Vomit, actually emptying stomach contents it’s like 5 times as much liquid as spit up.

I just read your other post where you discuss her throwing up after every fee...

Posted
08/28/2018

I just read your other post where you discuss her throwing up after every feed. I exclusively breastfed all three of my kids. Excessive spit up was always an issue because I had a forceful letdown and over supply. Over supply is a very common issue. With forceful letdown baby may struggle to keep up with feeding during letdown and they end up swallowing air. Just something else to consider. I also would keep baby upright immediately after feeding, not lying down.

Also, it’s important to distinguish between spit up and vomit. Spit up may look like a large volume but it’s not more than an ounce. Pour out an ounce of liquid and you’ll see just how much that looks like when it comes back up. Vomit, actually emptying stomach contents it’s like 5 times as much liquid as spit up.

Thanks Dawn, she does feed quite quickly so I imagine I might have a forceful letdown as well. I’m not sure if it is vomit or spit up (but will see what an ounce looks like as you suggested). I imagine it might actually be both. Sometimes it’s a very large amount and quite mucousy and continues on and off between one feed and the next. I do keep her up right for ages after feeds, and have been since she was a few weeks old for this reason, as well as raising the bassinett. In regards to the talking, it really seems to only be before vomit/spit up - she never does it and then doesn’t throw up, but she also doesn’t do it every time she throws up so who knows.

I took her to her first Baby group yesterday, and it was so hard to see how different her eye contact/attention was to the other babies her age (including two sets of twins born at 34 weeks). I guess I wonder if it can be a personality thing or if it’s more likely to be ASD/Neurological in nature?

As I said in my previous post, she has improved since 11 weeks - but she still seems so different to any other Baby I’ve met. It feels like she tolerates me rather than actually wanting to be around me. My current concerns are : (and I’ll admit, because I refuse to google anything anymore, I’m not sure what I actually should be concerned about).

Th biggest is still by far the eye contact - we really have to work for it by either getting in her line of vision and making exaggerated smiles/faces or making weird noises to get her attention, she never seeks it out- even then it’s fleeting and still much worse while up right or being held.

She’s very quiet when not whining/crying. With the exception of the attached video which might happen once a day.

She gets “angry” quite often, her cry’s seem to be frustrated and accompanied by hand batting, squirming and back arching.

Lately, she’s required rocking to sleep (which has changed from just going down on her own) but she needs quite firm pressure and is constantly rubbing her head in to my chest or on a blanket etc.

She is smiling in response to us at times now (not all the time) but never smiles unless we smile first and always looks away or to side immedietlely - it really looks like she is shy.

She is quite stiff (arms and legs) and is already trying to pull herself up (looks like she’s doing mini sit ups) and can hold her weight on her legs if she’s holding our fingers (the doctor commented on how strong she is).

Her grasp on toys is still very poor, but I think she’s working on it.

Her hands are constantly, and I mean 80% of the day in her mouth or clenched together in the middle. But she doesn’t spend any time looking at them. She has however, started to look at a toy or our hands if we put them in hers.

She HATES being cuddled. She likes being carried around, but will always be upright like a meerkat - she has never rested her head on me unless she falls asleep. She won’t stand for it at all when you’re sitting down, unless you face he outright on your knee.

She has started making a few little noises when she wakes up now, but I still feel like it’s not to get our attention but more that she’s frustrated she can’t get her dummy or something.

Her staring in to space has reduced, but does still happen a bit - but she’s more likely to look around now and pay a bit more attention to her surroundings (unless we are somewhere busy and then she just shuts down).

Won’t look at us when she is in her pram.

The doctor did comment that she is better at fixing and tracking a red toy than she is ok faces and I’ve definutely noticed that.

Still has no interest in the mirror for the most part and will actively turn her head away. There has been a couple of times when she is in a good mood that she has returned my smile in the mirror, but has no interest in “the baby”which is an improvement to earlier). We have started to say good morning and some random hello’s to the baby in the mirror every day now to try and work on this.

She seems to be very sensory seeking (I really don’t know if this is normal for little babies anyway) with the need for pressure and movement and loves it when I tickle her face with my hair - it’s actually the easiest way to get her attention when she’s laying down I’ve discovered recently.

It feels like she doesn’t have good balance or is afraid of falling - her morrow reflex is still there a bit but it is fading. However when her hands aren’t in her mouth or clasped together, her left hand is usually clenched and resting on her stomach like she is trying to balance herself (always her left side). I feel like this might be causing her to not have confidence to reach for toys or lift her arms much in gerneral.

She also startles very easily, but this doesn’t generally cause her to cry or anything. Her eyes just get very wide and she sometimes “jumps”.

She gets “over it” very easily and is whinging (I’m not sure if that’s the right word, but it’s not a full blown cry) after being awake for about an hour or sometimes earlier and she is still sleeping for about 12 hours a night, sometimes with a feed between 2 and 4am. Her day time naps while frequent (every hour or so) range from being very short (20ish minutes) to like an hour and a half 2 hours - depending on the day.

I’m sure there is more that I just can’t think of at the moment. I know that really only time will tell and I really am just trying to enjoy her. I am in a better place than I was when I originally posted, but the biggest negative emotion I have about it all is that I do feel like I’m annoying her most of the time - that probably sounds silly but it’s the best way to describe it!

I cant comment on the other stuff though some of it isnt quite expected yet at 4 months. Like the standing is probably one of her reflexs you may see vanish around 6 months then come back closer to 12 months again.

For the feeding fast take a look at pace feeding for breastfed babies. Usually this is done with bottle fed babies but the same concept can be used when breastfeeding. Basically you hand express to start then feed for a couple mins then take off and burp then feed again for a little then tale ofd and sit up and burp etc. If you seem to have a lot of supply you can also pump a bit first.

If she seems to get a lot of the watery milk you can also massage your breasts a bit first to try and get those fats the seperate to come to the front.

I cant comment on the other stuff though some of it isnt quite expected yet a...

Posted
08/31/2018

I cant comment on the other stuff though some of it isnt quite expected yet at 4 months. Like the standing is probably one of her reflexs you may see vanish around 6 months then come back closer to 12 months again.

For the feeding fast take a look at pace feeding for breastfed babies. Usually this is done with bottle fed babies but the same concept can be used when breastfeeding. Basically you hand express to start then feed for a couple mins then take off and burp then feed again for a little then tale ofd and sit up and burp etc. If you seem to have a lot of supply you can also pump a bit first.

If she seems to get a lot of the watery milk you can also massage your breasts a bit first to try and get those fats the seperate to come to the front.

Thanks Dawn, she does feed quite quickly so I imagine I might have a forceful...

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Thanks Dawn, she does feed quite quickly so I imagine I might have a forceful letdown as well. I’m not sure if it is vomit or spit up (but will see what an ounce looks like as you suggested). I imagine it might actually be both. Sometimes it’s a very large amount and quite mucousy and continues on and off between one feed and the next. I do keep her up right for ages after feeds, and have been since she was a few weeks old for this reason, as well as raising the bassinett. In regards to the talking, it really seems to only be before vomit/spit up - she never does it and then doesn’t throw up, but she also doesn’t do it every time she throws up so who knows.

I took her to her first Baby group yesterday, and it was so hard to see how different her eye contact/attention was to the other babies her age (including two sets of twins born at 34 weeks). I guess I wonder if it can be a personality thing or if it’s more likely to be ASD/Neurological in nature?

As I said in my previous post, she has improved since 11 weeks - but she still seems so different to any other Baby I’ve met. It feels like she tolerates me rather than actually wanting to be around me. My current concerns are : (and I’ll admit, because I refuse to google anything anymore, I’m not sure what I actually should be concerned about).

Th biggest is still by far the eye contact - we really have to work for it by either getting in her line of vision and making exaggerated smiles/faces or making weird noises to get her attention, she never seeks it out- even then it’s fleeting and still much worse while up right or being held.

She’s very quiet when not whining/crying. With the exception of the attached video which might happen once a day.

She gets “angry” quite often, her cry’s seem to be frustrated and accompanied by hand batting, squirming and back arching.

Lately, she’s required rocking to sleep (which has changed from just going down on her own) but she needs quite firm pressure and is constantly rubbing her head in to my chest or on a blanket etc.

She is smiling in response to us at times now (not all the time) but never smiles unless we smile first and always looks away or to side immedietlely - it really looks like she is shy.

She is quite stiff (arms and legs) and is already trying to pull herself up (looks like she’s doing mini sit ups) and can hold her weight on her legs if she’s holding our fingers (the doctor commented on how strong she is).

Her grasp on toys is still very poor, but I think she’s working on it.

Her hands are constantly, and I mean 80% of the day in her mouth or clenched together in the middle. But she doesn’t spend any time looking at them. She has however, started to look at a toy or our hands if we put them in hers.

She HATES being cuddled. She likes being carried around, but will always be upright like a meerkat - she has never rested her head on me unless she falls asleep. She won’t stand for it at all when you’re sitting down, unless you face he outright on your knee.

She has started making a few little noises when she wakes up now, but I still feel like it’s not to get our attention but more that she’s frustrated she can’t get her dummy or something.

Her staring in to space has reduced, but does still happen a bit - but she’s more likely to look around now and pay a bit more attention to her surroundings (unless we are somewhere busy and then she just shuts down).

Won’t look at us when she is in her pram.

The doctor did comment that she is better at fixing and tracking a red toy than she is ok faces and I’ve definutely noticed that.

Still has no interest in the mirror for the most part and will actively turn her head away. There has been a couple of times when she is in a good mood that she has returned my smile in the mirror, but has no interest in “the baby”which is an improvement to earlier). We have started to say good morning and some random hello’s to the baby in the mirror every day now to try and work on this.

She seems to be very sensory seeking (I really don’t know if this is normal for little babies anyway) with the need for pressure and movement and loves it when I tickle her face with my hair - it’s actually the easiest way to get her attention when she’s laying down I’ve discovered recently.

It feels like she doesn’t have good balance or is afraid of falling - her morrow reflex is still there a bit but it is fading. However when her hands aren’t in her mouth or clasped together, her left hand is usually clenched and resting on her stomach like she is trying to balance herself (always her left side). I feel like this might be causing her to not have confidence to reach for toys or lift her arms much in gerneral.

She also startles very easily, but this doesn’t generally cause her to cry or anything. Her eyes just get very wide and she sometimes “jumps”.

She gets “over it” very easily and is whinging (I’m not sure if that’s the right word, but it’s not a full blown cry) after being awake for about an hour or sometimes earlier and she is still sleeping for about 12 hours a night, sometimes with a feed between 2 and 4am. Her day time naps while frequent (every hour or so) range from being very short (20ish minutes) to like an hour and a half 2 hours - depending on the day.

I’m sure there is more that I just can’t think of at the moment. I know that really only time will tell and I really am just trying to enjoy her. I am in a better place than I was when I originally posted, but the biggest negative emotion I have about it all is that I do feel like I’m annoying her most of the time - that probably sounds silly but it’s the best way to describe it!

If she is feeding very fast, spitting up after every feed, if she sometimes almost coughs or gasps during letdown, it's very likely you have an over supply/forceful letdown. I had this same issue with all of my kids. It was like they were drowning while trying to breastfeed lol. Basically I would nurse 10 minutes, one side only for a feed and it was still too much. Here are my comments on the rest of the things you list as concerns:

I took her to her first Baby group yesterday, and it was so hard to see how different her eye contact/attention was to the other babies her age (including two sets of twins born at 34 weeks). I guess I wonder if it can be a personality thing or if it’s more likely to be ASD/Neurological in nature? Yes, I think it can be personality.

Th biggest is still by far the eye contact - we really have to work for it by either getting in her line of vision and making exaggerated smiles/faces or making weird noises to get her attention, she never seeks it out- even then it’s fleeting and still much worse while up right or being held.It is extremely common for eye contact to be worse when up close.

She’s very quiet when not whining/crying. With the exception of the attached video which might happen once a day.She's still very young, sounds like cooing is emerging.

She gets “angry” quite often, her cry’s seem to be frustrated and accompanied by hand batting, squirming and back arching. I don't see this as concerning or unusual.

Lately, she’s required rocking to sleep (which has changed from just going down on her own) but she needs quite firm pressure and is constantly rubbing her head in to my chest or on a blanket Again, extremely common. There's a reason why moms have rocking chairs.etc.

She is smiling in response to us at times now (not all the time) but never smiles unless we smile first and always looks away or to side immedietlely - it really looks like she is shy. I would expect her to smile at you when you come to get her from her crib in the morning.

She is quite stiff (arms and legs) and is already trying to pull herself up (looks like she’s doing mini sit ups) and can hold her weight on her legs if she’s holding our fingers (the doctor commented on how strong she is). This is not a concern. These are all normal reflexes.

Her grasp on toys is still very poor, but I think she’s working on it. She's only 4 months, I don't find this concerning.

Her hands are constantly, and I mean 80% of the day in her mouth or clenched together in the middle. But she doesn’t spend any time looking at them. She has however, started to look at a toy or our hands if we put them in hers. I would expect her hands to be more relaxed instead of clenched.

She HATES being cuddled. She likes being carried around, but will always be upright like a meerkat - she has never rested her head on me unless she falls asleep. She won’t stand for it at all when you’re sitting down, unless you face he outright on your knee. I don't find this unusual either.

She has started making a few little noises when she wakes up now, but I still feel like it’s not to get our attention but more that she’s frustrated she can’t get her dummy or something. She's communicating her frustration.

Her staring in to space has reduced, but does still happen a bit - but she’s more likely to look around now and pay a bit more attention to her surroundings (unless we are somewhere busy and then she just shuts down). Sounds like she's maybe overwhelmed if there's lots to look at?

Won’t look at us when she is in her pram. I recall my children being similar, I don't find this particularly concerning.

The doctor did comment that she is better at fixing and tracking a red toy than she is ok faces and I’ve definutely noticed that.

Still has no interest in the mirror for the most part and will actively turn her head away. There has been a couple of times when she is in a good mood that she has returned my smile in the mirror, but has no interest in “the baby”which is an improvement to earlier). We have started to say good morning and some random hello’s to the baby in the mirror every day now to try and work on this. I think it is far too early for this to be concerning.

She seems to be very sensory seeking (I really don’t know if this is normal for little babies anyway) with the need for pressure and movement and loves it when I tickle her face with my hair - it’s actually the easiest way to get her attention when she’s laying down I’ve discovered recently.

It feels like she doesn’t have good balance or is afraid of falling - her morrow reflex is still there a bit but it is fading. However when her hands aren’t in her mouth or clasped together, her left hand is usually clenched and resting on her stomach like she is trying to balance herself (always her left side). I feel like this might be causing her to not have confidence to reach for toys or lift her arms much in gerneral.

She also startles very easily, but this doesn’t generally cause her to cry or anything. Her eyes just get very wide and she sometimes “jumps”.

She gets “over it” very easily and is whinging (I’m not sure if that’s the right word, but it’s not a full blown cry) after being awake for about an hour or sometimes earlier and she is still sleeping for about 12 hours a night, sometimes with a feed between 2 and 4am. Her day time naps while frequent (every hour or so) range from being very short (20ish minutes) to like an hour and a half 2 hours - depending on the day.

I’m sure there is more that I just can’t think of at the moment. I know that really only time will tell and I really am just trying to enjoy her. I am in a better place than I was when I originally posted, but the biggest negative emotion I have about it all is that I do feel like I’m annoying her most of the time - that probably sounds silly but it’s the best way to describe it!

If she is feeding very fast, spitting up after every feed, if she sometimes a...

Posted
08/31/2018

If she is feeding very fast, spitting up after every feed, if she sometimes almost coughs or gasps during letdown, it's very likely you have an over supply/forceful letdown. I had this same issue with all of my kids. It was like they were drowning while trying to breastfeed lol. Basically I would nurse 10 minutes, one side only for a feed and it was still too much. Here are my comments on the rest of the things you list as concerns:

I took her to her first Baby group yesterday, and it was so hard to see how different her eye contact/attention was to the other babies her age (including two sets of twins born at 34 weeks). I guess I wonder if it can be a personality thing or if it’s more likely to be ASD/Neurological in nature? Yes, I think it can be personality.

Th biggest is still by far the eye contact - we really have to work for it by either getting in her line of vision and making exaggerated smiles/faces or making weird noises to get her attention, she never seeks it out- even then it’s fleeting and still much worse while up right or being held.It is extremely common for eye contact to be worse when up close.

She’s very quiet when not whining/crying. With the exception of the attached video which might happen once a day.She's still very young, sounds like cooing is emerging.

She gets “angry” quite often, her cry’s seem to be frustrated and accompanied by hand batting, squirming and back arching. I don't see this as concerning or unusual.

Lately, she’s required rocking to sleep (which has changed from just going down on her own) but she needs quite firm pressure and is constantly rubbing her head in to my chest or on a blanket Again, extremely common. There's a reason why moms have rocking chairs.etc.

She is smiling in response to us at times now (not all the time) but never smiles unless we smile first and always looks away or to side immedietlely - it really looks like she is shy. I would expect her to smile at you when you come to get her from her crib in the morning.

She is quite stiff (arms and legs) and is already trying to pull herself up (looks like she’s doing mini sit ups) and can hold her weight on her legs if she’s holding our fingers (the doctor commented on how strong she is). This is not a concern. These are all normal reflexes.

Her grasp on toys is still very poor, but I think she’s working on it. She's only 4 months, I don't find this concerning.

Her hands are constantly, and I mean 80% of the day in her mouth or clenched together in the middle. But she doesn’t spend any time looking at them. She has however, started to look at a toy or our hands if we put them in hers. I would expect her hands to be more relaxed instead of clenched.

She HATES being cuddled. She likes being carried around, but will always be upright like a meerkat - she has never rested her head on me unless she falls asleep. She won’t stand for it at all when you’re sitting down, unless you face he outright on your knee. I don't find this unusual either.

She has started making a few little noises when she wakes up now, but I still feel like it’s not to get our attention but more that she’s frustrated she can’t get her dummy or something. She's communicating her frustration.

Her staring in to space has reduced, but does still happen a bit - but she’s more likely to look around now and pay a bit more attention to her surroundings (unless we are somewhere busy and then she just shuts down). Sounds like she's maybe overwhelmed if there's lots to look at?

Won’t look at us when she is in her pram. I recall my children being similar, I don't find this particularly concerning.

The doctor did comment that she is better at fixing and tracking a red toy than she is ok faces and I’ve definutely noticed that.

Still has no interest in the mirror for the most part and will actively turn her head away. There has been a couple of times when she is in a good mood that she has returned my smile in the mirror, but has no interest in “the baby”which is an improvement to earlier). We have started to say good morning and some random hello’s to the baby in the mirror every day now to try and work on this. I think it is far too early for this to be concerning.

She seems to be very sensory seeking (I really don’t know if this is normal for little babies anyway) with the need for pressure and movement and loves it when I tickle her face with my hair - it’s actually the easiest way to get her attention when she’s laying down I’ve discovered recently.

It feels like she doesn’t have good balance or is afraid of falling - her morrow reflex is still there a bit but it is fading. However when her hands aren’t in her mouth or clasped together, her left hand is usually clenched and resting on her stomach like she is trying to balance herself (always her left side). I feel like this might be causing her to not have confidence to reach for toys or lift her arms much in gerneral.

She also startles very easily, but this doesn’t generally cause her to cry or anything. Her eyes just get very wide and she sometimes “jumps”.

She gets “over it” very easily and is whinging (I’m not sure if that’s the right word, but it’s not a full blown cry) after being awake for about an hour or sometimes earlier and she is still sleeping for about 12 hours a night, sometimes with a feed between 2 and 4am. Her day time naps while frequent (every hour or so) range from being very short (20ish minutes) to like an hour and a half 2 hours - depending on the day.

I’m sure there is more that I just can’t think of at the moment. I know that really only time will tell and I really am just trying to enjoy her. I am in a better place than I was when I originally posted, but the biggest negative emotion I have about it all is that I do feel like I’m annoying her most of the time - that probably sounds silly but it’s the best way to describe it!

Thanks for that Dawn.

She doesn’t smile at us when we go to get her up, unless we put on a big smile and say good morning first (which I do most of the time now).

I guess obviously only time will tell! I’ll come back and update after our next ped appointment in a few months.

My ydd wouldnt smile unless a big smile or if something startles her if we di...

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08/31/2018

My ydd wouldnt smile unless a big smile or if something startles her if we didnt smile big and say it is ok she would cry. She thought something was wrong otherwise.

That’s a bit cute isn’t it! If Little Miss doesn’t have anything neurological going on then she is definitely going to be shy/introverted I think. She’s currently asleep on me which is a rare occurrence and I’m loving every second of it!!

That’s a bit cute isn’t it! If Little Miss doesn’t have anything neurological going on then she is definitely going to be shy/introverted I think. She’s currently asleep on me which is a rare occurrence and I’m loving every second of it!!

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