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Now you see, we could have had a normal conversation, but you had to go all nerd rage.

You win at internets, I will just crawl back to my clueless moron hole and not show my head in this thread so I don't piss you off no more.

Your first response was a one word response with "no" when i made a valid statement and because you looked a cunt when i made a legitimate point you edited it to a friendly reply. Nothing to do with winning internets no one honestly gives a fuck and if that's classed as anger or "nerd rage" you must be pretty new to the internet. I made a point and called you a moron for using one word replies trying to seem like you had any clue what you was talking about and for some reason you get offended and behave like you're 13.

This is like asking if undead is good when locks and priest are total garbage and dissapeard from arena. Of course it is because it will still work against warriors, petsleep, a warlock/priest once evry 50 games. Same with stoneform, works vs evry feral dk shadow team, but still does fine with the 10% dmg reduction against evrything else. Stupid question is stupid, but probably you should stay human and run double mongo trinket cleave since you know so little about this game you cant even think and figure out stuff yourself

Woah calm the fuck down, these kinds of responds are exactly what makes ArenaJunkies a horrible site to read. All I did was ask peoples opinion on dwarf mage vs human mage as I was thinking of leveling one with a friend of mine.

Edit: Looking at your post history, it's all trash. Please do us all a favour and take your 2200 achivement with you and never post on ArenaJunkies again.

Spriest needs some sort of extra defensive cooldown vs melee or they will become close to non existent in 3s and only decent in 5s after this patch. Pretty sad Blizzard still balances this game the same. ie. nerf one class to oblivion, to where they are nonexistant, then buff, rinse and repeat.

Bm hunters need more toning down, a lot of people don't care about arena anymore strictly because of fotm shit like backpedaling hunters.

I was bored today, and I have not really seen any guide or starters help on the Arena Junkies forums for warriors. While I may not be a multi-glad or a well known player, the things I will be addressing in this guide will be common knowledge to most warriors and is directed at newer players.

*****Updated for 5.4*****

Here in the first tier (level 15) all the talents relate to our main gap closer, charge.Juggernaut: This is our first talent, and is very easy to understand, it just brings the cooldown of charge from 20 seconds, down to 12 seconds. This is probably the best choice if you don't really know what to pick. The reason being is that it will give you more uptime without worrying about managing the timers like in double time (will talk about soon) or stun drs (warbringer). I think for most intents and purposes Juggernaut is the best choice in this tier.

Double Time: Double Time allows you to charge twice without bringing a cooldown. Because this is a bit hard to understand I have a video showing how it works below.Basically, you can charge twice, back to back, and each charge has its own cooldown. But they do not recharge simultaneously. So like if you charge, and then you charge again 5 seconds later, the first one will be up in 15 seconds, and the second one will take an additional 20 seconds in order for it to come up. In short, you can charge back to back, but the cooldown for the second charge doesn't start until the first one is done. So in the scenario I just made, where you charge once, and then again 5 seconds later, the first one will be up after the normal 20 seconds, and then the second one will start its cooldown. This is what kind of messes it up, because then after the first back to back charge, you won't get any more of them unless you wait like 30-40 seconds.Although it has its uses when you fight mage teams etc, where you really need high uptime during kill shots etc.

Warbringer: Last season's talent of choice, what this talent does is it makes your charge stun the target for 3 seconds, and it applys a 50% slow to them. The reason it was so good last season is because this 3 second stun didn't dr with anything but itself, so you could get long stun combos. Now it shares drs with most stuns so it is not as good. I think the only time I would use this talent now is with the glyph blitz (makes your charge stun 2 additional targets nearby).This allows you to get your slow on 2 or 3 people and then if you are specced staggering shout (will talk about later) you can 3 second warbringer -> 5 second root. This would be effective against melee cleaves that train your partners ie a feral and a warrior, training your mage.

5.4 Edit: I still think that this tier is about the same, juggernaut is still my preferred talent.

The talents in the next tier (level 30) all relate to self heals.Enraged Regeneration: This talent heals you instantly for 10% of your health, and then gives an additional 10% over 5 seconds. This talent isn't very good in my opinion, because it cost 30 rage to use, and we don't really have that when we need it. Although it is free when you are enraged, it isn't wotlk anymore so we aren't enraged 100% of the time. For me the rage cost is what makes it bad because the only time you would need it is in something like a smokebomb or deep freeze, where if you were relying on this to save you it wouldn't help much.

Second Wind: This talent gives you 15 rage over 10 seconds whenever you are stunned or immobilized, and it also heals you for 3% of your health per second, when you are below 35%. Almost every warrior I've seen takes this talent because it is just so good. The rage is great especially with getting trained and you have to sit in defensive stance. It is great because since it is passive it will activate in stuns, and you can just try to los the enemy if you are in a dire situation (healer cc, you are low). It is also great for duels and 2s as I have won many 1v2s just because of this talent.

Impending Victory: This talent gives you instantly 15% of your health and is on a 30 second cooldown. I don't really like this talent for a couple reasons. For one, you have to be out of cc to use it, so if you are stunned etc, you won't be able to use this to heal. This is a problem because during most kill shots, you will be ccd and you won't be able to use talents like this. Another problem with it, is that it cost rage, while not very much, if you are stun in defensive stance there are times where you don't even have 10 rage, so this really isn't a very good choice.Just on a side note, with the healing debuff going up to 50% next patch, this will hurt all of these healing talents badly. Also next patch, the rage gained from second wind is going into a passive for arms and second wind will be healing only. If these changes effect which talent is the best I will update as needed, but for now I would go with second wind 100% of the time.

5.4 Edit: I still think that second wind is still the best even with the change to the rage generation part of it being passive on everyone now.

The next tier of talents (level 45) are all shouts, and this is one of the tiers where they are all good imo.Staggering Shout: This talent will put a root on anyone who is slowed in a 20 yard radius. This talent used to be a whole lot better because it didn't break on damage. It is essentially the improved hamstring from previous seasons. I would suggest this talent under a couple circumstances. One being that you are facing a melee cleave and you want to peel for your teammates, you can hamstring both and then root. Another time this is good is when you are facing mage teams, because this allows you to root them and get some good damage in. Other than that, I wouldn't use this talent, but it is extremely useful against those teams

Piercing Howl: This talent slows all people in a 15 yard radius. This used to be standard for warriors, but was moved to a talent in MOP. I use this most of the time because it is very useful if you are getting kited, to keep them close. Really good in general, especially since hamstring can get parried and dodged etc, so you can use it vs rogues to slow them.

Disrupting Shout: This shout is basically an aoe pummel. This is really only good against classes that cast a lot, like a shadow priest or a resto shaman. Other than that it isn't as good because not many classes have to cast a lot, so an extra pummel isn't that great.

5.4 Edit: Just as before all of these talents are viable and change game to game. Pick what you prefer or what you think you can utilize the best.

In this next tier (level 60), I guess I would call it a damaging tierBladestorm: The first talent in this tier is bladestorm, which used to be standard in arms since wrath. It isn't as useful for its damage anymore, but is very useful as you can break kidney shots and other cc with it. I still don't think it is king of arenas anymore, but since the nerf to shockwave it might be cool to try out. The main reason I don't use it is because you lose almost all of your utility if you spec this, and you just become a 100% damagebot. As far as rbgs go, I think this talent is very fun, and you can put out huge damage with it, not sure if it is better than shockwave for rbgs either though.One cool thing that has changed since previous expansions, is that now you can use shouts during this, so you can fear, piercing howl, disrupting shout etc. This allowed you to stick to targets if you spec staggering shout, or piecing howl, which is very good to know if you do spec this talent.

Shockwave: This is an aoe cone stun, on a 40 second cooldown. It does good damage and brings a lot of utility to an otherwise, low utility class. The reason I use this talent almost exclusively, is because of all the uses it has. You can use this for a peel vs melee cleave, and stun so a shadow priest can't MD, and it even does good damage on top of that. One thing you should know about this talent, is if you hit 3 or more targets the cooldown goes to 20 seconds. Afaik it does count pets, so if you get a dk, his pet, and someone else or other combinations, it should reset (please correct me if I'm wrong). This is the best talent in this tier 90% of the time imho.

Dragon's Roar: This is a cool talent, because it is a huge burst damage stun, that is on a 1 minute cooldown. It always crits, and it ignores armor. This talent if stacked up with single minded fury (35% damage boost) avatar (20% damage boost) and skull banner (20% damage boost to dragons roar) then you can get some pretty funny crits. The only problem I have about this talent, is that it only does big damage if you have your 3 minute cooldowns up, and without cooldowns it isn't that effective. One situation I have found it pretty good is when you are playing warrior/mage, you can makes swaps on deep freeze, and not mess up the stun DR, and add good burst to a mage's already huge burst.Overall in this tier except for a couple instances I would stick with shockwave as it is almost always useful.

5.4 Edit: This tree got a lot more interesting since the 5.4 buffs. Bladestorm can no longer be disarmed and it got a pretty significant damage increase. Since the patch I have been playing a bit for fun since I took a break from wow in 5.3. So far from what I can tell bladestorm and shockwave are both equally viable now. I tend to use shockwave mostly against melee cleaves that train my mage and bladestorm against most caster teams (more uptime). Bladestorm does insane damage now so I definitely think it is worth a try if you haven't used it already.

The next tier of talents (level 75) are all about team utility and supportMass Spell Reflection: This talent reflects the next spell used on all of your party members, and does not require a shield like normal spell reflect. This is kind of useful against heavy cc teams like mage/spriest, but I don't think it is the best choice in this tier because you lose so much mobility when you pick this.

Safeguard: This turns your intervene into a root breaking monster. In addition to allowing you to be able to break roots, but it also puts a 20% pain supp on the target you intervene in addition to taking the next physical attack like normal intervene. This is always used by me mainly because without it you will be sitting roots the entire game, and it is also very useful to protect swaps from rogues/mages onto your healer or other teammates. There is a macro you can use to break roots very fast which I will post in the macro section below.

Vigilance: This talent is basically a pally sacrifice. It transfers 30% of the damage from a teammate to you for the next 12 seconds. There are a couple reason I don't use this talent. One being that while it is a good damage reduction for a teammate, it is on a 2 minute cooldown, which is huge. Also, when you pick this talent, you lose a 20% reduction on a 30s cooldown, and a rootbreak, which imo is far better than an extra 10% on 4x the cd.As far as I'm concerned, safeguard is the only viable choice in this tier, and should always be used.

5.4 Edit: I still use safeguard as the 30 second cd root break is just too good imo.

The next tier of talents (level 90) is all about damage, and there is 1 stun also.Avatar: This is a very good choice in talents because it is a 24 second 20% damage increase. Since this xpac seems to be mainly about burst, this will allow you to really pump out damage. In addition to being a huge damage increase, it also breaks all roots/slows on you when you activate it, so if you are using it on a mage or hunter, you should wait until he novas/disengage roots you etc. before you activate, so you don't have to waste safeguard on it.

Bloodbath: Another damage increase, this talent puts a bleed for 30% of the special damage you do on a 1 minute cooldown. This seems like it would be a bigger burst than avatar, but it isn't just because it is only special damage, and it is a bleed, so it won't allow you to burst as hard. Afaik this is mostly a pve damage cooldown, and isn't as practical in pvp because it requires high uptime to get a good bleed, and it won't be as effective as avatar in 1 shotting people (which is most of kills nowadays)

Stormbolt: This is a ranged stun on a 30 second cooldown. I would only spec into this if I was using bladestorm because it drs with shockwave. I wouldn't really suggest this talent because you lose a lot of your kill potential when you drop avatar, and warriors really need the damage in order to keep up with the rest of the game.

5.4 Edit: From what I can tell all 3 of these talents are good now I prefer bloodbath, and I recommend you find out what works for you and use it.

Just a tl;dr of that here is a talent setup that would be useful in most situations
Juggernaut
Second Wind
Piecing Howl
Shockwave
Safeguard
Avatar

Now that we are done talents we can talk glyphsBlitz: Pretty useful, it makes your charge stun up to 2 additional nearby targets. Good vs mages or hunters where they are los, but their pets aren't you can charge their pet, and still stun them. Also useful with warbringer as you can charge and apply an aoe 3 second stun and slow.Bull Rush: Good for right now, because if you get trained and have to sit defensive stance, you can still get good rage.Colossus Smash: A decent damage boost, but isn't all that useful. Some people love this glyph, but I think there are better options tbh.Death from Above: I would consider this glyph mandatory because it allows you to have so much more uptime.Die by the Sword: A new glyph, it makes your overpower extend the duration of your die by the sword. I haven't really played with this glyph much, but I don't think it is insanely useful, as the 8 seconds is generally enough to keep you alive while your healer is CC.Enraged Speed: Makes it so when you are enraged you get a little 20% sprint. Not the greatest, and since you aren't enraged all that much I don't find it very useful.Hamstring: Once you use rage on a hamstring the next is free. Useful, but there are much better choices for glyphs here.Hindering Strikes: Makes your heroic strike and cleave put a slow on the enemy. This is useful, and definately a viable choice, although you don't use heroic strike quite as much anymore.Long Charge: Gives your charge extra range. This is actually more useful than you would think as it allows you to always get the opener on other warriors, and get people running towards pillars etc. Defnately worth a try depending on your comp etc.Mortal Strike: I think this glyph is actually mandatory now, but some people don't use it. It makes it so you take 10% more healing whenever you have mortal strike on a target. Since the recent patch, warriors get hit a lot, so it is pretty useful to have the extra healing.Rude interruption: This gives you 6% more damage for 20 seconds when you pummel someone, it is a little damage increase, but since a lot of people don't cast anymore, it isn't that useful, nor a big damage increase.Shield Wall: Makes your wall have 20% more dr, but adds 2 minutes onto the cooldown. The cooldown increase isn't a huge issue because you usually only have to use shield wall once a battle anyway. That being said I wouldn't really recommend this because when you use wall, most teams will not kill you though it + second wind anyway, unless you pop it really late, or you would have died anyway.Spell Reflection: Takes off 5 seconds from your spell reflect cooldown. This is hardly noticable and I wouldn't really recommend it.Unending Rage: Gives you 30 more maximum rage. This allows you to pool up more rage for your burst, which could be useful, but I honestly don't think it is useful enough to use a glyph on it.tl;dr I would recommend these glyphs if you cbf to read and pick for yourselves

Death from Above
Blitz
Mortal Strike

5.4 Edit: Since the buff to defensive stance I no longer think MS glyph is really that useful anymore and I am running these glyphs now

Death from AboveBlitzLong Charge/Bull rushThere are a couple things you have to cap before you do your stats. First you need 3% hit, which shouldn't be a huge problem, then you need like 3% expertise. If you are full honor gear or better, there is no possible way you won't be expertise cap, so just completely reforge out of all of it you can.Once you are capped I use this priority when reforgingCrit > mastery > hasteSome people have been debating it, but I think this is the best way to reforge atm.

5.4 Edit: Nothing has changed here at all reallyFor gems, this xpac there is huge burst during stuns, and warriors always get trained this patch. Because of this, I would gem resil as much as you can and maximize it. I'll link the armory of my toons if you want to copy my reforging/gems/enchants.

5.4 Edit: With the baseline resilience change defensive stance buff and other survivability changes I no longer feel that resilience is the way to go. I now recommend gemming full crit as it will give you the most damage as possible. As I have just came back to the game my gear isn't complete but here are what my gems are currently.

Keybinds: I'll just post a screenshot of my keybinds so it saves some time. I probably wouldn't copy them, but people ask sometimes, so they are here anywayComps: Warriors this season lost a bit of their utility and defensives from last season, but this class is still in an okay spot, and is improving next season with the defensive buffs. The best comps for a warrior this season are going to be ones that rely on high burst, and good support from other classes. These comps below are what I consider the strongest comps for warriors at the moment.

KFC- This comp is hunter/warrior/healer, and was king last season. This season it is still strong, but in my opinion, the best healer for this comp is a shaman instead of a pally, just because of all the wizard teams out there at the moment. I have run this comp extensively, and there are a few major things you need to do as a warrior in order to be successful. One of the most important things in this comp is landing traps, because it is your main form of cc. Since landing traps is super important in getting out pressure, you have to make sure you shockwave, root, or fear, when your hunter goes in for a trap. This prevents them from running to their healer and eating the trap for them, effectively wasting the cc. A very important thing to do against shadow priest teams is to shockwave the priest when there is a second or two left on scatter when your hunter goes for the trap so it won't get dispelled.Another important thing to do as kfc is to land your fear. The warrior fear is your main cc on the healer and it is important you land it. Against a paladin team, you need to wait for the hand of sacrifice to go out, and have your hunter tranq shot it off, once you get both sacs off you should go in for a fear. The same goes for the priest fear ward. A good thing to do if the priest doesn't come out with ward on is to fake fear by running over to them like you are going to fear, have them put ward on, then you can easily tranq it off and get a full fear.Another important thing to know as kfc, is that you need to pop your cooldowns where it will matter. Don't just pop your offensive cds randomly, you need to wait until you get a full trap or full fear, so they aren't wasted.Overall this comp is pretty easy to play, and is mainly focused on landing traps/fears and making sure you are always putting out pressure. Soon I will post some videos of this comp when I get the chance to.

Warrior/Mage/healer-5.4 Update: I am currently experimenting with this comp and should have good tips once I get a little more gear/playtime with it. This section will be the most updated with the new patch most likely.

Spriest/Warrior/healer- Haven't played this comp, but if someone has played it at a high rating, I would like your input please!For now, that is the end of this guide, and I'll be updating it as I see fit. If you have any questions, or suggestions please comment below! 5.4 Edit: SPriests suck, comp probably isn't that great anymore

TSG- From what I can tell this could be a decent comp but need more playtime with it

Warrior/lock/x- Looks super strong but haven't got a lock to play with.If you have played any of the comps I haven't got data on or want to suggest a new one, pm me on AJ or ingame and I'll add it to this guide!

This guide took me a very long time to make, so if you found it useful I'd appreciate it!Pictures courtesy of Regentlord

if you weren't an imbecile you woulda understood that i meant the fact he says he's part of "my crew" when i played w/ him out of pity
but that's a bit too hard for your inbred brain

You've spent way too much time compensating for being a little bizarre social outcast by trying to act tough on the interwebz. I believe this is also the reason why you're seemingly unable to grasp very simple English phrases which also leads you to yet another petty e-thug tantrum. I was merely referring to the fact you've chosen a very awkward sentence in "has the balls" as if you have the ability to act on whatever it is you find offensive.

Calm your simple mind down, turn your computer off, and mayhaps open a book once in a while? I guarantee it'll do wonders to your lackluster understanding of the English language.

pretty much agree with all of this, nice post. obviously warriors were stupid at the beginning of MOP with gag order and swifty one shot, but now that all of that has been toned down you can really see the age of the class.

spell reflect and shield block that actually reduced melee damage are my two biggest gripes. warriors are so weak against casters inherently and a lot of that is spell reflect. no one ever complained about 10s spell reflect in arena, when the nerf happened people were scratching their heads. it's a well designed ability, you actually lose all your damage, have to manually switch 1h/shield and either get the spell you wanted or it could get eaten by a moonfire, but at least you had the option every 10s, and there was a penalty. now if spell reflect is used you pray to have leap or prepare to get blasted for 25 seconds.

i've hated colossus smash since the beginning, it adds so much more clunkiness to our rotation and makes bursting a joke. a lot of our play style is clunky now too, which just makes it not very fun to play (been that way for a while). won't even comment on shield wall since you covered that nicely. dying to physical damage faster then cloth is old, thats my second biggest gripe, armor pen or melee abilities that ignore armor just crush through warriors like nothing. it's a sad state when I die faster to a cleave then my warlock does, so much for armor.

ive played this shit forever and it's really awful to just not even want to play, i logged in to cap today and just got bored and didn't even bother, it's just not even fun because of zero utility and being forced to play a 3min slam machine, literally chaning a couple 90k slams every 3 minutes is our only saving grace.

lastly, i've never really played an alt seriously but ww monk is amazing. i know they aren't super well represented and our weak vs some stuff but so much more enjoyable then warriors. so similar to warriors in a lot of ways.. playing a class that has actual modernized cooldowns has really opened my eyes to how ancient warrior abilities are. perma mini colossus smash, baseline imp hamstring, more mobility, more useful defenses. idk...