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ya but ad also helps you out a lot in fights/trades. It also causes your abilities to typically do more damage too, which armor pen does not. i think armor pen is more helpful late game, but if you lose your lane there wont be a late game.

ya but ad also helps you out a lot in fights/trades. It also causes your abilities to typically do more damage too, which armor pen does not. i think armor pen is more helpful late game, but if you lose your lane there wont be a late game.

Arpen is USUALLY stronger on abilites that deal Phys damage because the base damage of a spell scales with one thing, Armor Penetration. Of course it also matters how high the AD scaling of the spell is, but usually armor pen still wins out because of base damages. Something like Kha'zix Q is something off the top of my head that would probably scale better with AD because of its insane AD ratio.

A good all around rune set if you want some Arpen would be 6 Arp reds, 3 AD reds, 3 AD quints. This gives a nice mix of 10 arpen and 9.6 AD. Bruisers top lane also usually start with decent base AD because they are melee, so that makes last hitting easier, and increases the effect of Arpen.