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Squirtle is not a newborn. It has now been 48 episodes since May first got it. It obviously has plenty of experience by now. When will people finally get the hint?

And I can accept that (as friggin' cheaply as it managed to get to that point). It still doesn't mean the writers should be glorifying the sack of crap as often as they do and never let it get its a** kicked (without redemption).

Originally Posted by Geodude

May is absolutely no more "uber" than Ash was in Kanto. The repetitiveness of that statement is also getting boring/annoying. Come up with something original for once, people, and quit repeating it at every possible opportunity.

yeah, but don't think you think, having been in her contest gig longer than Satoshi was travelling Kantou the first time, she'd be developed enough for the writers to stop handing her deus exes? Hell, the overall writing for her contest arc throughout Battle Frontier actually seemed worse than it was back in Houen.

But, in spite of what I just said there, I'm not complaining about the Harley battle. I actually found that to be a very believable win.

Originally Posted by Fizban

Cacturne getting knocked out fast is a shame, but it is understandable. It was pretty high up when it was coming in for the Needle Arm attack, so it had no way to really move out of the way when the powerful Focus-Shadow Ball nailed it in the face. The poor little thing wasn't even able to break his fall after getting hit.

May saw that Wigglytuff was able to ride around in the air to avoid attacks, so she had Munchlax and Eevee fire their attacks behind it so they would produce an explosion which would bring it closer down to the ground. Munchlax used Eevee as a launching board to get up to Wigglytuff and deliver a strong Focus Punch right into the fluffball.

If anything about that part of the battle was wrong, it was the Munchlax bouncing off of Eevee. That little brawler weighs a ton.

It was really funny how after all the Shadow Balls/Solar Beams missed they cut to May's life-bar shooting down like mad.

Fizban said it nicely. Noctus may've been a one-hit KO, but not only was it a Shadow Ball propelled by a Focus Punch, you'd have to consider that Noctus was preparing to strike, not guard. I believe during the Lovecus vs. Juptor fiasco, Edward Elric brought up a line in Yu Yu Hakusho in which a character (Yuusuke, I think) stated he would've died from a strike if he didn't tense up his muscles in time. Also, if you're gonna bring the type disadvantage into the picture, then do consider that game-wise, Noctus ain't exactly a defensive Pokemon.

Also to agree with Fizban, the only thing I really found off there was Eievui propelling Gonbe with its tail. If Eievui had gone through some intense training involving the usage of its tail, as with learning to use Iron Tail, I'd probably buy it (but I'm sure nobody would've wanted another Iron Tail-user in the group). BTW, Fizban, I thought I'd bring up one detail you left out. During her commentary, Lilian says "Sasuga Fuusen Pokemon da!" (As expected of a Balloon Pokemon). After repeating "Balloon Pokemon" to herself, that's when Haruka came up with the strategy to have Eievui and Gonbe's attacks collide above Pukurin to produce a current that would send it downwards.

Anyway, it's already been said, but the appeals were much better this time (except Saori's, which is odd because I thought she probably did the best appeal last time... yeah, it was another ice sculpture, but look at what it went against). People who watch the dub, be thankful that PUSA's probably gonna keep in the original music. I do not see Gonbe's appeal working without silence in the background. BTW, I've been saying that some of the Kantou contest battles seemed to be little more than exchanging blows... well, I guess Shuu's f***in' sweet usage of Flash inside of Sandstorm proved to me that the writers still got it.

And everyone's bringing up Pukurin's b*tch-slapping, but personally, I thought it grabbing Gonbe and Eievui with its ears before slamming them was more note-worthy. XD I sure wasn't expecting Pukurin's attack methods to put so much emphasis on the long ears (especially when we saw an earlier Pukurin use Doubleslap with its hands. This is one attack inconsistency we oughta be thankful for). Sure was clever, in any case. Who wants to bet Malik, if he should get his site back up, will portray Pukurin as some male equivalent to a Playboy bunny?

Last edited by Yamato-san; 24th June 2006 at 7:40 AM.

Yup, classes again. I'm gonna be at this for a while.

I translate for #Pocketmonsters (just because I know Japanese does not make me Japanese, stop PMing me).

OK, saw the episode and here are my thougts:
*I think Shuu´s Absol made the best appeal, then Haruka´s Munchlax, then Saori´s Slowbro and then "Him´s" Octillery
*I simply love to see Munchlax in action
*Too much people are complaining about that Shadow Ball/Focus Punch combo to Cacturne, but nobody says anything about Absol using Iron Tail against Combusken
*With Cacturne fainted, "Him" lost a half of his team, why he didn´t lost THE HALF of his bar?
*That Wigglytuff was rude

Last edited by Squirtle_007; 24th June 2006 at 8:41 AM.

XY Season in a nutshell

Originally Posted by Janovy

Agreed.

The interactions of XY group can be summed up in one sentence: "OMG Satoshi-kun is very SUGOI"

*has the shakes* You have no… idea… how hard it was to hold out on spoilers until %^& bittorrent got its arse in gear. But those dark times are behind me now, alleluia. I’m writing this as I watch the episode.

Good animation team = happy Drew fangirl.

Absol is pwetty!

HARLEY FILES HIS NAILS. *dead… again… how many times is that man going to kill me?*

Wakana-chan!!! If only they’d showed more of her. I wanted to see her reaction to whatever it is Drew said to Jessie.

Oh yippee, Aipom’s back. >_< I hope Ash isn’t about to prioritise getting his hat back over watching May’s appeal. Come on, he must know by now that the little git’s going to show up a billion more times before TPTB put us out of our misery.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Pikachu Volt Tackled its monkey butt!! Go Ash!

…….Oh sweet Jesus, he’s going to try to capture it. No, Ash, no!

Oh thank God.

Heeeee, I love it when Ash gets brained by flying objects.

Man, Aipom sucks.

HARLEY STICKS OUT HIS PINKY FINGER.

May’s using Munchlax? I was hoping for Eevee.

Oooh, I take it back. That was nifty. Bit short, though.

OH MY GOD DREW’S TRYING TO KILL HIMSELF.

OK, scene over. Drew’s still alive, if cracked. This is one of those bits I nod and smile through until some kind person puts up a translation. Slightly disappointed that the whole group was there instead of just May, though… *beats inner Contestshipper over the head and wrestles her into a box*

When Harley’s onscreen, everything’s better. <3

Lol, it just occurred to me that if this was the Harry Potter fandom, all the anti-Drew fans would be out in force complaining that he’s a Stu because his backstory is currently being “told, not shown”. Although seriously, it would be nice to have more May/Drew one on one scenes instead of her getting everything through the Saori filter. That woman’s beginning to seem like an attractive expositional device.

Ash/Drew/Brock bonding! Squee!

Hey, not many co-ordinators made it through! It only looked like sixteen to me. Good, I was hoping for that. It means if May battles Drew and loses immediately after battling Harley, she won’t move down a place from the last GF.

Awww, Ebil Wigglytuff. How cute.

F*CK OFF, AIPOM.

The annoying thing about contest battles is that every time a Pokémon does anything, in addition to the commentary from the peanut gallery that we always get in gym matches, the judges have to sit around talking about it for half an hour, too. Just fight, already!

Wow, this is the first time in a contest double battle that one Pokémon’s been knocked out before its partner. Poor Cacturne, it didn’t get to do much.

Seriously, if you chopped all the talking out of these matches, they’d be one minute long.

Firing off attacks at random is not a good strategy, May. And how come Solarbeam is charging so quickly?

Hang on… at the start of the battle, Eevee and Munchlax ran full force into Wigglytuff while it was inflated, and they bounced right off. Now, Munchlax Focus Punches Wigglytuff while it was inflated, and it’s a knock out?

Poor Harley-san. Oh well, I have hope that he’ll stick around. Whatever his new plan for this episode was, it seemed to involve Drew, so perhaps he’ll continue with it next ep.

I mean it, Aipom. F*ck. Off.

Woooow, Saori pimp-slapped that guy all over the field.

May VS Drew is happening already? Meep.

Yup, of course she’s using Squirtle. -_- Eh, Absol and/or Flygon are bound to lay the smackdown on it at some point… right?

Oh, like there’s any way May won’t beat Drew if they’re placing the battle NOW. *grumbles*

Hang on… at the start of the battle, Eevee and Munchlax ran full force into Wigglytuff while it was inflated, and they bounced right off. Now, Munchlax Focus Punches Wigglytuff while it was inflated, and it’s a knock out?

Its different becuase May aimed the shadow ball and solar beam at the roof to come things crashing down on wigglytuff so it lost its inflation.

I really loved this episode. Everybody made fantastic appeals. Harley's Wigglytuff is awesome and evil just the way Harley is. Cacturne's faint was kinda cheap. The most interesting question is who's gonna win - May or Drew? I think Drew.

I just watched this episode, i think all has been said about this
episode in a way, but i have some things to ponder about...

- Squirtle,s weird little shockwave, and after that about to use a attack, it might be uber-squirtle learning to use Hydro Pump/Water Pulse?
- Combusken burning redhot, pretty interesting. For god sake writers, let that red/orange fried chicken evolve into Blaziken! Drew has a Absol and a Flygon while May has to put up with Eevee,s and Squirtles. -.-''
- Aipom hitting our favorite mouse with a powerful Iron Tail, Ash' second attempt at catching Aipom? This is it boys, girls and purple monkey haters, Ash must catch that hat-bandit once and for all!

Its clear that there is much better pacing in this GF than the previous one. The appeals were all compact and did not take up a lot of time, (unlike the whole confused Skitty that took like 5 minutes from the Hoenn GF), and they were well done.

Its always nice to have a little character interaction, and the Drew/Absol scene did just that. I like the fact that Drew can magically change from a nice guy to an a-hole on a whim, good god. Too bad I can't understand Japanese, I'd probably enjoy the scenes with Ash/Brock talking to Drew more.

The Ash/Aipom thing was very short also, why do people make a big deal out of this? Far more time was spent on teaching Snorunt how to do Ice beam, the whole Aipom thing was less than a minute.

As for the May/Harley battle, I again don't see the problem. Most of the Contest matches ARE the same length as this. Cacturne may have went down a little too quickly, but they obviously wanted Wigglytuff to take center stage. I LMAO'd when Wiggly knocked Munchlax's and Eevee's heads into one another! Here's hoping Harley sticks around next saga, his battles are always fun to watch.

I also like it that we caught a tiny bit of Drew and Saori's other matches. It reminds us that they're beating other opponents on screen.

I wasn't expecting May/Drew to battle in this episode, but so far so good. Flygon and Absol seem quite unbeatable, so I don't see how May can pull off beating him. At the most, she should be able to take down at least one of his Pokes, (I assume Combusken's Blaze will allow her to do that), but I hope Drew wipes the floor with her after that.

Pretty good episode. Just seems to me like people want to whine just for the hell of it. Ha, I remember how much the Hoenn league and Hoenn GF were bashed too, and despite some rushing, they were fantastic. Sometimes I think the Pokemon fandom likes WHINING about the episodes more than actually enjoying them.

Whoa, where the hell did that come from? Um, never mind my weird life and what I listen to when watching the screenshots of very good contest episodes.

I saw this episode last night. As usual, am very disappointed about Harley losing for the...um...4th time to May. Thank the great, good Lord that her baby puke bucket Squirtle was not in that battle. But if that little wretch wins against Drew's pokemon, that thing dies *gets weapon of choice ready* Although, I will say this, Harley's face was just too funny for words when he lost again to May. Next off, Psycho Drew! It didn't seem as bad as the girls in the Drew Club and Contestshipping threads made it out to be. Though I have never seen Drew this way so that's still up for debate. Great to see the little cameos by Ogata and Wakana *chuckles a bit* Another thing, I may hate Aipom now, but when he had Ash's hat and is torturing the crap out of him, was way too funny. Haha Ash! Looks forward to seeing next week's episode and is hoping that it won't be a total Deja Vu trip.

Pretty good episode. Just seems to me like people want to whine just for the hell of it. Ha, I remember how much the Hoenn league and Hoenn GF were bashed too, and despite some rushing, they were fantastic. Sometimes I think the Pokemon fandom likes WHINING about the episodes more than actually enjoying them.

I'll stop whining when Satoshi and Haruka stop pulling Dues ex Machinas to win their matches... EVERY SINGLE TIME. (Okay, not every single time. But alot of times. >_>)

I like Wigglytuff. I was kinda off-put by how cute it was at first, but it looks sortof cool now. As long as he doesn't have anymore cutsie pokemon like it. (No Chancey, Clefairy...) then I'm fine.

I love Harley, though. I like how he acts all "OMG CUTSEYGAY" but you can tell he just HATES stuff like that. He's very multi-layered and interesting. =3 (And then of course there's his whacky antics :P) He's seriously the only reason I keep watching the show.

Let me check, nya...it can't learn any Electric attacks, or any other HMs besides the Water ones. But you are right--Octillery is one elemental swiss army knife of a Pokémon. I mean, they call it OcTILLERY for a reason!XD

I know lots of people already hate Aipom, but I thought it was adorable in this episode, just sitting on Ash's shoulder enraptured by the battle.

Me too--the main characters' Pokémon are usually better looking, so I'm not that surprised that Aipom was showing a different expression for a change...and a cute one at that!^_^

Well, that makes up for being slow as a Magcargo. But I was pretty much saying it can't BoltBeam. It can learn all the other beam attacks though, just not Thunderbolt(or Shock Wave, or Thunder). I mean, it even gets SEISMIC TOSS via Move Tutor. Makes me thing about training one of these underused things.

I have to side with Geodude and CyberCubed on this. I complain about a lot of things in the animé, but I don't see the bloody problem with Aipom =/ Would you rather it be a Skarmory? Arcanine? Venusaur? Of all the Pokémon they could've chosen, I'm quite happy with Aipom. Everyone here always seems to complain about how undershowcased certain Pokémon are, and now, when we get one of the most shafted Pokémon in history, people are complaining and wishing it would die. Hypocrisy, seriously.

As with most people, the only problem I have with this episode is Eevee using its tail as a springboard. Munchlax just weighs a little too much =/ And they could've waited for Wigglytuff to come closer too, I'd imagine. No need for that ._. Oh well.

And yeah, after being blasted into the air from a powered up attack and falling a great height, I can hardly blame Cacturne for being KO'd. I think I'd probably take more offense to it surviving, tbh. However, I suppose it would've been nice to see Cacturne do a little more in its short time onscreen =/ Oh well.

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Good point about the fall, I never thought of that. The fall was what caused a good part of the damage when Ash's Grovyle beat Winona's Altaria, same thing here. Those people who are complaining never even took that into consideration.