Islamic India: The Biggest Holocaust in World History… Whitewashed from History Books

Researching and studying the impact of Islam and jihad on the world, we have come to the conclusion that India today is not living under its own authentic Hindu culture. The country is deeply contaminated by Islam. The Hinduism w see today which has shaped the current day India is basically Islamu rather than Hindu. The problems in the country which has put India on the map of various scaled of human rights violations, with oppression and abuse of women, active human slavery, rape waves, incest, obsessive modesty, and many of the traits found in Islamic culture, is a habit that has remained from Muslim occupation. Prior to Muslim presence in the country history will find that India was a different society. Women were bare chested and the people abided by Hinduism meaning violence was forbidden and they were vegetarian. Although bare chested there appears to be no historic evidence of rape being a common factor in the country at the time. It was considered a great crime to kill an animal in Hinduism and the eating of animal flesh was strictly forbidden. Today basically 90% of the population are meat eaters, buying mainly halal meat from Muslim butchers.

We can find some traces of similar restrictions on killing of animals, for example, from Egypt during Roman times. In a documentary on pre-Islamic Egypt the historians had found a legal document describing the punishment of a Roman soldier who by accident had run over and killed a cat with his chariot. He was sentenced to death. Even to this day Copts in Egypt and some other parts of the Middle East do not consume meat over 260 days of the year. A most distinct feature in Islam is cruelty of animals. The very same cruelty and barbarism used against animals, the same halal slaughter, is also used against human beings in jihad. It’s possible that even Kosher slaughter amongst the Jews is deeply influence by Islam and may not have been prevalent in pre-Islamic times. It would be rather difficult to establish because the Jews lost their homeland and was stateless for centuries so they had influence from many regions.

This is just one example of a drastic change that transformed India into a min-version of Arabia.

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The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying forces for a period of 800 years is as yet formally unrecognised by the World.

The only similar genocide in the recent past was that of the Jewish people at the hands of the Nazis.

The holocaust of the Hindus in India was of even greater proportions, the only difference was that it continued for 800 years, till the brutal regimes were effectively overpowered in a life and death struggle by the Sikhs in the Panjab and the Hindu Maratha armies in other parts of India in the late 1700’s.

We have elaborate literary evidence of the World’s biggest holocaust from existing historical contemporary eyewitness accounts. The historians and biographers of the invading armies and subsequent rulers of India have left quite detailed records of the atrocities they committed in their day-to-day encounters with India’s Hindus.

These contemporary records boasted about and glorified the crimes that were committed – and the genocide of tens of millions of Hindus, mass rapes of Hindu women and the destruction of thousands of ancient Hindu / Buddhist temples and libraries have been well documented and provide solid proof of the World’s biggest holocaust.

Quotes from modern historians

Dr. Koenraad Elst in his article “Was There an Islamic Genocide of Hindus?” states:

“There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like punishing the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty.

The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526).”

He also writes in his book “Negation in India”:

“The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter.”

Will Durant argued in his 1935 book “The Story of Civilisation: Our Oriental Heritage” (page 459):

“The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period.”

Francois Gautier in his book ‘Rewriting Indian History’ (1996) wrote:
“The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese.”

Writer Fernand Braudel wrote in A History of Civilisations (1995), that Islamic rule in India as a

“colonial experiment” was “extremely violent”, and “the Muslims could not rule the country except by systematic terror. Cruelty was the norm – burnings, summary executions, crucifixions or impalements, inventive tortures. Hindu temples were destroyed to make way for mosques. On occasion there were forced conversions. If ever there were an uprising, it was instantly and savagely repressed: houses were burned, the countryside was laid waste, men were slaughtered and women were taken as slaves.”

Alain Danielou in his book, Histoire de l’ Inde writes:

“From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions. It is, as usual, in the name of ‘a holy war’ of their faith, of their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilizations, wiped out entire races.”

Irfan Husain in his article “Demons from the Past” observes:

“While historical events should be judged in the context of their times, it cannot be denied that even in that bloody period of history, no mercy was shown to the Hindus unfortunate enough to be in the path of either the Arab conquerors of Sindh and south Punjab, or the Central Asians who swept in from Afghanistan…The Muslim heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed some dreadful crimes. Mahmud of Ghazni, Qutb-ud-Din Aibak, Balban, Mohammed bin Qasim, and Sultan Mohammad Tughlak, all have blood-stained hands that the passage of years has not cleansed..Seen through Hindu eyes, the Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster.

“Their temples were razed, their idols smashed, their women raped, their men killed or taken slaves. When Mahmud of Ghazni entered Somnath on one of his annual raids, he slaughtered all 50,000 inhabitants. Aibak killed and enslaved hundreds of thousands. The list of horrors is long and painful. These conquerors justified their deeds by claiming it was their religious duty to smite non-believers. Cloaking themselves in the banner of Islam, they claimed they were fighting for their faith when, in reality, they were indulging in straightforward slaughter and pillage…”

A sample of contemporary eyewitness accounts of the invaders and rulers, during the Indian conquests

The Afghan ruler Mahmud al-Ghazni invaded India no less than seventeen times between 1001 – 1026 AD. The book ‘Tarikh-i-Yamini’ – written by his secretary documents several episodes of his bloody military campaigns : “The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at the Indian city of Thanesar] that the stream was discoloured, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it…the infidels deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river…but many of them were slain, taken or drowned… Nearly fifty thousand men were killed.”

In the contemporary record – ‘ Taj-ul-Ma’asir’ by Hassn Nizam-i-Naishapuri, it is stated that when Qutb-ul- Din Aibak (of Turko – Afghan origin and the First Sultan of Delhi 1194-1210 AD) conquered Meerat, he demolished all the Hindu temples of the city and erected mosques on their sites. In the city of Aligarh, he converted Hindu inhabitants to Islam by the sword and beheaded all those who adhered to their own religion.

The Persian historian Wassaf writes in his book ‘Tazjiyat-ul-Amsar wa Tajriyat ul Asar’ that when the Alaul-Din Khilji (An Afghan of Turkish origin and second ruler of the Khilji Dynasty in India 1295-1316 AD) captured the city of Kambayat at the head of the gulf of Cambay, he killed the adult male Hindu inhabitants for the glory of Islam, set flowing rivers of blood, sent the women of the country with all their gold, silver, and jewels, to his own home, and made about twentv thousand Hindu maidens his private slaves.

This ruler once asked his spiritual advisor (or ‘Qazi’) as to what was the Islamic law prescribed for the Hindus. The Qazi replied:

“Hindus are like the mud; if silver is demanded from them, they must with the greatest humility offer gold. If a Mohammadan desires to spit into a Hindu’s mouth, the Hindu should open it wide for the purpose. God created the Hindus to be slaves of the Mohammadans. The Prophet hath ordained that, if the Hindus do not accept Islam, they should be imprisoned, tortured, finally put to death, and their property confiscated.”

Timur was a Turkic conqueror and founder of the Timurid Dynasty. Timur’s Indian campaign (1398 – 1399 AD) was recorded in his memoirs, collectively known as ‘Tuzk-i-Timuri.’ In them, he vividly described probably the greatest gruesome act in the entire history of the world – where 100,000 Hindu prisoners of war in his camp were executed in a very short space of time. Timur after taking advice from his entourage says in his memoirs :

“they said that on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the rules of war to set these idolaters and foes of Islam at liberty.

“In fact, no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword’

Timur thereupon resolved to put them to death. He proclaimed :

“throughout the camp that every man who has infidel prisoners was to put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. 100,000 infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasir-ud-din Umar, a counselor and a man of learning, who, in all his life had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives“.

During his campaign in India – Timur describes the scene when his army conquered the Indian city of Delhi :

“In a short space of time all the people in the [Delhi] fort were put to the sword, and in the course of one hour the heads of 10,000 infidels were cut off. The sword of Islam was washed in the blood of the infidels, and all the goods and effects, the treasure and the grain which for many a long year had been stored in the fort became the spoil of my soldiers.

“They set fire to the houses and reduced them to ashes, and they razed the buildings and the fort to the ground….All these infidel Hindus were slain, their women and children, and their property and goods became the spoil of the victors. I proclaimed throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners should put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death.”

The Mughal emperor Babur (who ruled India from 1526 -1530 AD) writing in his memoirs called the ‘Baburnama’ – wrote : ” In AH 934 (2538 C.E.) I attacked Chanderi and by the grace of Allah captured it in a few hours. We got the infidels slaughtered and the place which had been Daru’l-Harb (nation of non-muslims) for years was made into a Daru’l-Islam (a muslim nation).”

In Babur’s own words in a poem about killing Hindus (From the ‘Baburnama’ ) he wrote :

“For the sake of Islam I became a wanderer,I battled infidels and Hindus,I determined to become a martyrThank God I became a Killer of Non-Muslims!“

The atrocities of the Mughal ruler Shah Jahan (who ruled India between 1628 – 1658 AD) are mentioned in the contemporary record called : ‘Badshah Nama, Qazinivi & Badshah Nama , Lahori’ and goes on to state : “When Shuja was appointed as governor of Kabul he carried on a ruthless war in the Hindu territory beyond Indus…The sword of Islam yielded a rich crop of converts….Most of the women (to save their honour) burnt themselves to death. Those captured were distributed among Muslim Mansabdars (Noblemen)”

The Afghan ruler Ahmad Shah Abdali attacked India in 1757 AD and made his way to the holy Hindu city of Mathura, the Bethlehem of the Hindus and birthplace ofKrishna.

The atrocities that followed are recorded in the contemporary chronicle called : ‘Tarikh-I-Alamgiri’ :

“Abdali’s soldiers would be paid 5 Rupees (a sizeable amount at the time) for every enemy head brought in. Every horseman had loaded up all his horses with the plundered property, and atop of it rode the girl-captives and the slaves. The severed heads were tied up in rugs like bundles of grain and placed on the heads of the captives…Then the heads were stuck upon lances and taken to the gate of the chief minister for payment.

“It was an extraordinary display! Daily did this manner of slaughter and plundering proceed. And at night the shrieks of the women captives who were being raped, deafened the ears of the people…All those heads that had been cut off were built into pillars, and the captive men upon whose heads those bloody bundles had been brought in, were made to grind corn, and then their heads too were cut off. These things went on all the way to the city of Agra, nor was any part of the country spared.”

Why we should remember

“Holocaust Memorial Day (HMD) is the international day of remembrance for the victims of the Holocaust and of other genocides” (Holocaust Memorial Day Trust)

The biggest holocaust in World History has been whitewashed from history.

When we hear the word HOLOCAUST most of us think immediately of the Jewish holocaust. Today, with increased awareness and countless cinema films and television documentaries – many of us are also aware of the Holocaust of the Native American peoples, the genocide of the Armenian peoples in the Ottoman Empire, and the millions of African lives lost during the Atlantic slave trade.

The World seems to either ignore or just does not seem to care about the many millions of lives lost during the 800 – year long holocaust of Hindus in India.

The Indian historian Professor K.S. Lal estimates that the Hindu population in India decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD and 1525 AD, an extermination unparalleled in World history. This slaughter of millions of people occurred over regular periods during many centuries of Arab, Afghan, Turkish and Mughal rule in India.

Many Indian heroes emerged during these dark times – including the 10th Sikh Guru – Guru Gobind Singh and also the Hindu Maratha king – Shivaji Maratha – who led the resistance against this tyranny and eventually led to its defeat by the late 1700s – after centuries of death and destruction.

The modern World today is facing a global threat from organizations and groups of terrorists such as the Taliban and Al-Qaeeda – whose ideology is chillingly similar to that of the perpetrators of the World’s biggest holocaust in India. Also ironically – these terrorist groups are growing and launching attacks in exactly those areas that suffered extensively during India’s holocaust. Let us hope that the bloody lessons of the past are learnt so that history does not even have the remotest chance of repeating itself.

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Negationism in India, by Dr Koenrad Elst. (Voice of India, New Delhi.)

709 thoughts on “Islamic India: The Biggest Holocaust in World History… Whitewashed from History Books”

Let me give one example of the dubiousness of this article. Fatwa-e-Jahandari used to defame the Muslims here itself states that the Muslim Sultans didn’t want to exterminate Hindus and honored them if they accepted suzeranity like under Alauddin Khilji. This proves that Muslim Sultans were mostly harsh on those Hindus being viewed disloyal. Hindus meanwhile killed and raped Muslims at places like Ahmednagarand Mudgal under Vijayanagara and Bengal under Marathas and Arab women kidnapped and raped by Hindus of Sindhs etc. I’m just detailing the “real history” and “real face” of you infidels. Complaints? Write to Vedas.

Lol, did you actually even read the original sources before making your baseless claims? If you did, you’ll realise this British National Party article isn’t even factually true. The claims were made by Hindutva proponent Francois Gautier who exploited his journalist career for pro-Hindutva campaign. There was no “Hindu holocaust” or a perpetual campaign of Hindu killings. These were occasional. It’s making false claims and omitting reality. The Hindus at nearly all times and even some Sikhs, not few, themselves collaborated with Muslims in conquests. Koenraad Elst isn’t a real historian, he’s a Hindutva proponent. Oh and KS Lal’s 80 million figure actually is a baseless estimate also factoring in diseases, famines, disasters. Even Hindus killed Muslims like Vijayanagara did in Ahmednagar. He later claimed the decrease 30 million.

In fact Fatwa-e-Jahandari used to defame the Muslims here itself states that the Muslim Sultans didn’t want to exterminate Hindus and honored them if they accepted suzeranity like under Alauddin Khilji.

An easy example of false claims is that Mahmud Ghaznavi never arbitarily massacred anyone. The only “massacre” was of the Hindu devoteess who attacked him at Somnath. He did the same with the Ismaili Muslims fighting him.

“The blood of infidels” described in Thanesar is about the battle with Hindu soldiers ongoing at the river. What bloody campaign? It was no civilian. Tarikh-e-Yamani even says he oversaw the battle in the river, “The Sultan adopted the strategem of ordering some of the troops to cross the river by two different fords, and to attack the enemy on both sides; and when they were all engaged in close conflict, he ordered another body of men to go up the bank of the stream, which was flowing through the pass with fearful impetuosity, and attack the enemy amongst the ravines, where they were posted in great numbers”.

The Persian historian Wassaf doesn’t mention any massacre by Alauddin at Khambat, his work is a history of Muslim traders bufoon. Oh and the real historian of Khalji at the time was Amir Khusraw. In his Tarikh-i Alai, he doesn’t mention even one massacre while Khalji was in Gujarat.

Baburnama doesn’t mention any massacre at Chanderi or making it Dar al Islam. Rather it only mentions that heads of enemy soldiers were used to build a pillar after they all comitted mass-suicide, as well it only says it was called Fath Dar al Harb (Conquest of Realm of War). “By God’s grace this renowned fort was captured in one astronomical hour without hard fighting and without drum and standard. A pillar of enemy heads was ordered to be set up on a hill north-west of Chanderi. A chronogram of this victory was written in the words of Fath Dar al Harb.”

Oh and Badshahnama doesn’t mention any Shuja as governor of Kabul. Shuja was governor of Bengal, thousands of miles from Indus. Also there was no Hindu territory beyond the Indus. Rajputs only controlled some posts in the desert and had already surrendered, occasionally revolting but accepting vassalage again.

Also “Tarikh-i-Alamgiri” is not the history of Ahmad Shah Durrani, but of Mughal Emperor Alamgir II. While they did live at the same time, some of the paras of the work is never favourable of Abdali’s invasions. And it doesn’t even make sense how it will describe something in such a great detail about the enemy. No English translation exists, and I don’t think they went through and translated the Persian one.

Timur himself massacred Muslims in Damascus, Aleppo and Baghdad. The massacre of 100,000 Hindu slaves by Timur was actually preventing rebellion breaking out. He himself says, “On the previous day, when the enemy’s forces made the attack on us, the prisoners made the signs of rejoicing, uttered impressions against us, and were ready, as soon as they heard the enemy’s success, to form themselves into a body, break their bonds, plunder our tents, and then to go and join the enemy, and so increase his numbers and strength”.

Oh and Timur makes no claim about 10,000 heads being cut off per hour in Delhi. He actually himself says he tried to prevent Delhi from being sacked, “Although I was desirous of sparing them I could not succeed, for it was the will of God that this calamity should fall upon the city.” And he himself added that his army was out of control, “When morning broke on the Friday, all my army, no longer under control, went off to the city and thought of nothing but killing, plundering and making prisoners.

Babur’s poem from Baburnama is falsely distorted here, it was his success against Rajput chiefs. And the actual poem was written after Battle of Khanwa where he defetaed Rana Sangha as well as Muslim Lodhi loyalists. He calls Ghazi not as a “Hindu-killer” but a victor in jihad. “After this success at Khanwa, Ghasi (Victor in a Holy War) was written among royal titles. For the sake of Islam, I wandered the wilds. Prepeared for war with pagans and Hindus. Resolved myself to meet the martyr’s death, Thanks be to God! A Ghazi I became.”

Much of these claims,by Hindutva proponents and other anti-Islam, are fake or inaccuarate and thus he and your whole infidel anti-Islam “intellectuals” kind are exposed.

Let me give one example of the dubiousness of this article. Fatwa-e-Jahandari used to defame the Muslims here itself states that the Muslim Sultans didn’t want to exterminate Hindus and honored them if they accepted suzeranity like under Alauddin Khilji. This proves that Muslim Sultans were mostly harsh on those Hindus being viewed disloyal. Hindus meanwhile killed and raped Muslims at places like Ahmednagarand Mudgal under Vijayanagara and Bengal under Marathas and Arab women kidnapped and raped by Hindus of Sindhs etc. Detail the “real history” and “real face” of you infidels.

Let me give one example of the dubiousness of this article. Fatwa-e-Jahandari used to defame the Muslims here itself states that the Muslim Sultans didn’t want to exterminate Hindus and honored them if they accepted suzeranity like under Alauddin Khilji. This proves that Muslim Sultans were mostly harsh on those Hindus being viewed disloyal. Hindus meanwhile killed and raped Muslims at places like Ahmednagarand Mudgal under Vijayanagara and Bengal under Marathas and Arab women kidnapped and raped by Hindus of Sindhs etc. Detail the “real history” and “real face of you infidels.

Funny, did you even read the original sources in actual before making your baseless claims? This article isn’t even factually true. The claims were made by Hindutva proponent Francois Gautier who exploited his journalist career for pro-Hindutva campaign. There was no “Hindu holocaust” or a perpetual campaign of Hindu killings. These were occasional. It’s making false claims and omitting reality. The Hindus at nearly all times and even some Sikhs, not few, themselves collaborated with Muslims in conquests. Koenraad Elst isn’t a real historian, he’s a Hindutva proponent. Oh and KS Lal’s 80 million figure actually is a baseless estimate also factoring in diseases, famines, disasters. Even Hindus killed Muslims like Vijayanagara did in Ahmednagar. He later claimed the decrease 30 million.

In fact Fatwa-e-Jahandari used to defame the Muslims here itself states that the Muslim Sultans didn’t want to exterminate Hindus and honored them if they accepted suzeranity like under Alauddin Khilji.

An easy example of false claims is that Mahmud Ghaznavi never arbitarily massacred anyone. The only “massacre” was of the Hindu devoteess who attacked him at Somnath. He did the same with the Ismaili Muslims fighting him.

“The blood of infidels” described in Thanesar is about the battle with Hindu soldiers ongoing at the river. What bloody campaign? It was no civilian. Tarikh-e-Yamani even says he oversaw the battle in the river, “The Sultan adopted the strategem of ordering some of the troops to cross the river by two different fords, and to attack the enemy on both sides; and when they were all engaged in close conflict, he ordered another body of men to go up the bank of the stream, which was flowing through the pass with fearful impetuosity, and attack the enemy amongst the ravines, where they were posted in great numbers”.

The Persian historian Wassaf doesn’t mention any massacre by Alauddin at Khambat, his work is a history of Muslim traders bufoon. Oh and the real historian of Khalji at the time was Amir Khusraw. In his Tarikh-i Alai, he doesn’t mention even one massacre while Khalji was in Gujarat.

Baburnama doesn’t mention any massacre at Chanderi or making it Dar al Islam. Rather it only mentions that heads of enemy soldiers were used to build a pillar after they all comitted mass-suicide, as well it only says it was called Fath Dar al Harb (Conquest of Realm of War). “By God’s grace this renowned fort was captured in one astronomical hour without hard fighting and without drum and standard. A pillar of enemy heads was ordered to be set up on a hill north-west of Chanderi. A chronogram of this victory was written in the words of Fath Dar al Harb.”

Oh and Badshahnama doesn’t mention any Shuja as governor of Kabul. Shuja was governor of Bengal, thousands of miles from Indus. Also there was no Hindu territory beyond the Indus. Rajputs only controlled some posts in the desert and had already surrendered, occasionally revolting but accepting vassalage again.

Also “Tarikh-i-Alamgiri” is not the history of Ahmad Shah Durrani, but of Mughal Emperor Alamgir II. While they did live at the same time, some of the paras of the work is never favourable of Abdali’s invasions. And it doesn’t even make sense how it will describe something in such a great detail about the enemy. No English translation exists, and I don’t think they went through and translated the Persian one.

Timur himself massacred Muslims in Damascus, Aleppo and Baghdad. The massacre of 100,000 Hindu slaves by Timur was actually preventing rebellion breaking out. He himself says, “On the previous day, when the enemy’s forces made the attack on us, the prisoners made the signs of rejoicing, uttered impressions against us, and were ready, as soon as they heard the enemy’s success, to form themselves into a body, break their bonds, plunder our tents, and then to go and join the enemy, and so increase his numbers and strength”.

Oh and Timur makes no claim about 10,000 heads being cut off per hour in Delhi. He actually himself says he tried to prevent Delhi from being sacked, “Although I was desirous of sparing them I could not succeed, for it was the will of God that this calamity should fall upon the city.” And he himself added that his army was out of control, “When morning broke on the Friday, all my army, no longer under control, went off to the city and thought of nothing but killing, plundering and making prisoners.

Babur’s poem from Baburnama is falsely distorted here, it was his success against Rajput chiefs. And the actual poem was written after Battle of Khanwa where he defetaed Rana Sangha as well as Muslim Lodhi loyalists. He calls Ghazi not as a “Hindu-killer” but a victor in jihad. “After this success at Khanwa, Ghasi (Victor in a Holy War) was written among royal titles. For the sake of Islam, I wandered the wilds. Prepeared for war with pagans and Hindus. Resolved myself to meet the martyr’s death, Thanks be to God! A Ghazi I became.”

Much of these claims, some by Hindutva proponents and other anti-Islamists, are fake or inaccuarate and thus he and your whole infidel anti-Islam “intellectuals” kind are exposed.

In fact Fatwa-e-Jahandari used to defame the Muslims here itself states that the Muslim Sultans didn’t want to exterminate Hindus and honored them if they accepted suzeranity like under Alauddin Khilji.

Funny, did you even actually read the oroginal sources before making your claims? This article isn’t even factually true. The claims were made by Hindutva proponent Francois Gautier who exploited his journalist career for pro-Hindutva campaign. There was no “Hindu holocaust” or a perpetual campaign of Hindu killings. These were occasional. It’s making false claims and omitting reality. The Hindus at nearly all times and even some Sikhs, not few, themselves collaborated with Muslims in conquests. Koenraad Elst isn’t a real historian, he’s a Hindutva proponent. Oh and KS Lal’s 80 million figure actually is a baseless estimate also factoring in diseases, famines, disasters. Even Hindus killed Muslims like Vijayanagara did in Ahmednagar. He latsr claimed the decrease 30 million.

In fact Fatwa-e-Jahandari used to defame the Muslims here itself states that the Muslim Sultans didn’t want to exterminate Hindus and honored them if they accepted suzeranity like under Alauddin Khilji.

An easy example of false claims is that Mahmud Ghaznavi never arbitarily massacred anyone. The only “massacre” was of the Hindu devoteess who attacked him at Somnath. He did the same with the Ismaili Muslims fighting him.

“The blood of infidels” described in Thanesar is about the battle with Hindu soldiers ongoing at the river. What bloody campaign? It was no civilian. Tarikh-e-Yamani even says he oversaw the battle in the river, “The Sultan adopted the strategem of ordering some of the troops to cross the river by two different fords, and to attack the enemy on both sides; and when they were all engaged in close conflict, he ordered another body of men to go up the bank of the stream, which was flowing through the pass with fearful impetuosity, and attack the enemy amongst the ravines, where they were posted in great numbers”.

The Persian historian Wassaf doesn’t mention any massacre by Alauddin at Khambat, his work is a history of Muslim traders bufoon. Oh and the real historian of Khalji at the time was Amir Khusraw. In his Tarikh-i Alai, he doesn’t mention even one massacre while Khalji was in Gujarat.

Baburnama doesn’t mention any massacre at Chanderi or making it Dar al Islam. Rather it only mentions that heads of enemy soldiers were used to build a pillar after they all comitted mass-suicide, as well it only says it was called Fath Dar al Harb (Conquest of Realm of War). “By God’s grace this renowned fort was captured in one astronomical hour without hard fighting and without drum and standard. A pillar of enemy heads was ordered to be set up on a hill north-west of Chanderi. A chronogram of this victory was written in the words of Fath Dar al Harb.”

Oh and Badshahnama doesn’t mention any Shuja as governor of Kabul. Shuja was governor of Bengal, thousands of miles from Indus. Also there was no Hindu territory beyond the Indus. Rajputs only controlled some posts in the desert and had already surrendered, occasionally revolting but accepting vassalage again.

Also “Tarikh-i-Alamgiri” is not the history of Ahmad Shah Durrani, but of Mughal Emperor Alamgir II. While they did live at the same time, some of the paras of the work is never favourable of Abdali’s invasions. And it doesn’t even make sense how it will describe something in such a great detail about the enemy. No English translation exists, and I don’t think they went through and translated the Persian one.

Timur himself massacred Muslims in Damascus, Aleppo and Baghdad. The massacre of 100,000 Hindu slaves by Timur was actually preventing rebellion breaking out. He himself says, “On the previous day, when the enemy’s forces made the attack on us, the prisoners made the signs of rejoicing, uttered impressions against us, and were ready, as soon as they heard the enemy’s success, to form themselves into a body, break their bonds, plunder our tents, and then to go and join the enemy, and so increase his numbers and strength”.

Oh and Timur makes no claim about 10,000 heads being cut off per hour in Delhi. He actually himself says he tried to prevent Delhi from being sacked, “Although I was desirous of sparing them I could not succeed, for it was the will of God that this calamity should fall upon the city.” And he himself added that his army was out of control, “When morning broke on the Friday, all my army, no longer under control, went off to the city and thought of nothing but killing, plundering and making prisoners.

Babur’s poem from Baburnama is falsely distorted here, it was his success against Rajput chiefs. And the actual poem was written after Battle of Khanwa where he defetaed Rana Sangha as well as Muslim Lodhi loyalists. He calls Ghazi not as a “Hindu-killer” but a victor in jihad. “After this success at Khanwa, Ghasi (Victor in a Holy War) was written among royal titles. For the sake of Islam, I wandered the wilds. Prepeared for war with pagans and Hindus. Resolved myself to meet the martyr’s death, Thanks be to God! A Ghazi I became.”

Much of these claims, some by Hindutva proponents and other anti-Islamists, are fake or inaccuarate and thus he and your whole infidel anti-Islam “intellectuals” kind are exposed.

The whole world is suffering because of that islam dirt. They taught world the definition of rape, abuse, slaughter etc etc,,. and yet they say that islam is peaceful religion.NO. NO. Islam is a pig-full religion not peaceful.., if whole world get muslims free than there will be left just peace..NO TERRORISM,..NO JIHADISM,…NO DIRTISM,…JUST PEACE.,,SO if any muslims really want peace then either leave islam or kill yourself and your muslim friends…because those who killed by your pig-full dirt upto now are innocent people…, CHECK HISTORY NOT EVERY WEBSITE,. ,,WHOLE WORLD,…EVERY REPORT CAN DEPICT WRONG IMAGE OF ISLAM..

Funny, this article isn’t even factually true. The claims were made by Hindutva proponent Francois Gautier who exploited his journalist career for pro-Hindutva campaign. There was no “Hindu holocaust” or a perpetual campaign of Hindu killings. These were occasional. It’s making false claims and omitting reality. The Hindus at nearly all times and even some Sikhs, not few, themselves collaborated with Muslims in conquests. Koenraad Elst isn’t a real historian, he’s a Hindutva proponent. Oh and KS Lal’s 80 million figure actually is a baseless estimate also factoring in diseases, famines, disasters. Even Hindus killed Muslims like Vijayanagara did in Ahmednagar. He latsr claimed the decrease 30 million.

An easy example of false claims is that Mahmud Ghaznavi never arbitarily massacred anyone. The only “massacre” was of the Hindu devoteess who attacked him at Somnath. He did the same with the Ismaili Muslims fighting him.

“The blood of infidels” described in Thanesar is about the battle with Hindu soldiers ongoing at the river. What bloody campaign? It was no civilian. Tarikh-e-Yamani even says he oversaw the battle in the river, “The Sultan adopted the strategem of ordering some of the troops to cross the river by two different fords, and to attack the enemy on both sides; and when they were all engaged in close conflict, he ordered another body of men to go up the bank of the stream, which was flowing through the pass with fearful impetuosity, and attack the enemy amongst the ravines, where they were posted in great numbers”.

The Persian historian Wassaf doesn’t mention any massacre by Alauddin at Khambat, his work is a history of Muslim traders bufoon. Oh and the real historian of Khalji at the time was Amir Khusraw. In his Tarikh-i Alai, he doesn’t mention even one massacre while Khalji was in Gujarat.

Baburnama doesn’t mention any massacre at Chanderi or making it Dar al Islam. Rather it only mentions that heads of enemy soldiers were used to build a pillar after they all comitted mass-suicide, as well it only says it was called Fath Dar al Harb (Conquest of Realm of War). “By God’s grace this renowned fort was captured in one astronomical hour without hard fighting and without drum and standard. A pillar of enemy heads was ordered to be set up on a hill north-west of Chanderi. A chronogram of this victory was written in the words of Fath Dar al Harb.”

Oh and Badshahnama doesn’t mention any Shuja as governor of Kabul. Shuja was governor of Bengal, thousands of miles from Indus. Also there was no Hindu territory beyond the Indus. Rajputs only controlled some posts in the desert and had already surrendered, occasionally revolting but accepting vassalage again.

Also “Tarikh-i-Alamgiri” is not the history of Ahmad Shah Durrani, but of Mughal Emperor Alamgir II. While they did live at the same time, some of the paras of the work is never favourable of Abdali’s invasions. And it doesn’t even make sense how it will describe something in such a great detail about the enemy. No English translation exists, and I don’t think they went through and translated the Persian one.

Timur himself massacred Muslims in Damascus, Aleppo and Baghdad. The massacre of 100,000 Hindu slaves by Timur was actually preventing rebellion breaking out. He himself says, “On the previous day, when the enemy’s forces made the attack on us, the prisoners made the signs of rejoicing, uttered impressions against us, and were ready, as soon as they heard the enemy’s success, to form themselves into a body, break their bonds, plunder our tents, and then to go and join the enemy, and so increase his numbers and strength”.

Oh and Timur makes no claim about 10,000 heads being cut off per hour in Delhi. He actually himself says he tried to prevent Delhi from being sacked, “Although I was desirous of sparing them I could not succeed, for it was the will of God that this calamity should fall upon the city.” And he himself added that his army was out of control, “When morning broke on the Friday, all my army, no longer under control, went off to the city and thought of nothing but killing, plundering and making prisoners.

Babur’s poem from Baburnama is falsely distorted here, it was his success against Rajput chiefs. And the actual poem was written after Battle of Khanwa where he defetaed Rana Sangha as well as Muslim Lodhi loyalists. He calls Ghazi not as a “Hindu-killer” but a victor in jihad. “After this success at Khanwa, Ghasi (Victor in a Holy War) was written among royal titles. For the sake of Islam, I wandered the wilds. Prepeared for war with pagans and Hindus. Resolved myself to meet the martyr’s death, Thanks be to God! A Ghazi I became.”

Much of these claims by Francois Gautier, another Hindutva proponent are fake or inaccuarate and thus he and your whole infidel anti-Islam “intellectuals” kind are exposed.

Funny, this article isn’t even factually true. The claims were made by Hindutva proponent Francois Gautier who exploited his journalist career for pro-Hindutva campaign. There was no “Hindu holocaust” or a perpetual campaign of Hindu killings. These were occasional. It’s making false claims and omitting reality. The Hindus at nearly all times and even some Sikhs, not few, themselves collaborated with Muslims in conquests. Koenraad Elst isn’t a real historian, he’s a Hindutva proponent. Oh and KS Lal’s 80 million figure actually is a baseless estimate also factoring in diseases, famines, disasters. Even Hindus killed Muslims like Vijayanagara did in Ahmednagar. He latsr claimed the decrease 30 million.

In fact Fatwa-e-Jahandari used to defame the Muslims here itself states that the Muslim Sultans didn’t want to exterminate Hindus and honored them if they accepted suzeranity like under Alauddin Khilji.

An easy example of false claims is that Mahmud Ghaznavi never arbitarily massacred anyone. The only “massacre” was of the Hindu devoteess who attacked him at Somnath. He did the same with the Ismaili Muslims fighting him.

“The blood of infidels” described in Thanesar is about the battle with Hindu soldiers ongoing at the river. What bloody campaign? It was no civilian. Tarikh-e-Yamani even says he oversaw the battle in the river, “The Sultan adopted the strategem of ordering some of the troops to cross the river by two different fords, and to attack the enemy on both sides; and when they were all engaged in close conflict, he ordered another body of men to go up the bank of the stream, which was flowing through the pass with fearful impetuosity, and attack the enemy amongst the ravines, where they were posted in great numbers”.

The Persian historian Wassaf doesn’t mention any massacre by Alauddin at Khambat, his work is a history of Muslim traders bufoon. Oh and the real historian of Khalji at the time was Amir Khusraw. In his Tarikh-i Alai, he doesn’t mention even one massacre while Khalji was in Gujarat.

Baburnama doesn’t mention any massacre at Chanderi or making it Dar al Islam. Rather it only mentions that heads of enemy soldiers were used to build a pillar after they all comitted mass-suicide, as well it only says it was called Fath Dar al Harb (Conquest of Realm of War). “By God’s grace this renowned fort was captured in one astronomical hour without hard fighting and without drum and standard. A pillar of enemy heads was ordered to be set up on a hill north-west of Chanderi. A chronogram of this victory was written in the words of Fath Dar al Harb.”

Oh and Badshahnama doesn’t mention any Shuja as governor of Kabul. Shuja was governor of Bengal, thousands of miles from Indus. Also there was no Hindu territory beyond the Indus. Rajputs only controlled some posts in the desert and had already surrendered, occasionally revolting but accepting vassalage again.

Also “Tarikh-i-Alamgiri” is not the history of Ahmad Shah Durrani, but of Mughal Emperor Alamgir II. While they did live at the same time, some of the paras of the work is never favourable of Abdali’s invasions. And it doesn’t even make sense how it will describe something in such a great detail about the enemy. No English translation exists, and I don’t think they went through and translated the Persian one.

Timur himself massacred Muslims in Damascus, Aleppo and Baghdad. The massacre of 100,000 Hindu slaves by Timur was actually preventing rebellion breaking out. He himself says, “On the previous day, when the enemy’s forces made the attack on us, the prisoners made the signs of rejoicing, uttered impressions against us, and were ready, as soon as they heard the enemy’s success, to form themselves into a body, break their bonds, plunder our tents, and then to go and join the enemy, and so increase his numbers and strength”.

Oh and Timur makes no claim about 10,000 heads being cut off per hour in Delhi. He actually himself says he tried to prevent Delhi from being sacked, “Although I was desirous of sparing them I could not succeed, for it was the will of God that this calamity should fall upon the city.” And he himself added that his army was out of control, “When morning broke on the Friday, all my army, no longer under control, went off to the city and thought of nothing but killing, plundering and making prisoners.

Babur’s poem from Baburnama is falsely distorted here, it was his success against Rajput chiefs. And the actual poem was written after Battle of Khanwa where he defetaed Rana Sangha as well as Muslim Lodhi loyalists. He calls Ghazi not as a “Hindu-killer” but a victor in jihad. “After this success at Khanwa, Ghasi (Victor in a Holy War) was written among royal titles. For the sake of Islam, I wandered the wilds. Prepeared for war with pagans and Hindus. Resolved myself to meet the martyr’s death, Thanks be to God! A Ghazi I became.”

Much of these claims by Francois Gautier, another Hindutva proponent are fake or inaccuarate and thus he and your whole infidel anti-Islam “intellectuals” kind are exposed.

This is false. Islam was never spread by the sword. These killings don’t match with the populations at that time. I mean, the mongols tried hard and only killed 40 million people. Islam is a religion of peace, a religion that has the fastest growing numbers of converts each day, and a religion with its empires so tolerant most of their senior ranks, troops, and civilians are non-muslim. Please, and keep your hatred to Islam by yourself.

Please live on facts not beliefs. The holocaust by Muslims around the world is a fact. The perpetrators themselves have recorded the inhumanity! They asked Indians to either convert or die. Indian Muslims by and large are decedents of those who converted. Some others converted to escape zizia or humiliating existence. Only a very few converted to be favourite of the king or to gain recognition. These are facts. Read accounts of invaders and European historians if want to disbelieve Indian historians. We must live by truth.

You should yourself live on facts. Many of the things being described here, like Mahmud Ghazni killing “all 50,000 citizens of Somnath” are false. Those killed at Somnath were 50,000 who attacked him. And there was no civilian killings at Thanesar. Those were soldiers killed. “Blood streams” anyway are exaggerations just like the “million man Persian army” at Thermopylae. These people are brainwashing you with lies and you believe them.

Funny, this article isn’t even factually true. There was no “Hindu holocaust” or a perpetual campaign of Hindu killings. Some killings were were occasional. Article’s making false claims and omitting reality. The Hindus at nearly all times and even some Sikhs, not few, themselves collaborated with Muslims in conquests. Koenraad Elst isn’t a real historian, he’s a Hindutva proponent. Oh and KS Lal’s 80 million figure actually is a baseless estimate also factoring in diseases, famines, disasters. Even Hindus killed Muslims like Vijayanagara did in Ahmednagar. He latsr claimed the decrease 30 million. You people keep getting brainwashed. Soem false claims:

An easy example of false claims is that Mahmud Ghaznavi never arbitarily massacred anyone. The only “massacre” was of the Hindu devoteess who attacked him at Somnath. He did the same with the Ismaili Muslims fighting him.

“The blood of infidels” described in Thanesar is about the battle with Hindu soldiers ongoing at the river. What bloody campaign? It was no civilian. Tarikh-e-Yamani even says he oversaw the battle in the river.

The Persian historian Wassaf doesn’t mention any massacre by Alauddin at Khambat, his work is a history of Muslim traders bufoon. Oh and the real historian of Khalji at the time was Amir Khusraw. In his Tarikh-i Alai, he doesn’t mention even one massacre while Khalji was in Gujarat.

You brainwashed people shoukd search true history instead of relying on Hindutva supporter Francois Gautier who wrote this. A very easy example of this article’s dubiousness. The Fatwa e Jahandri itself noted that Muslim Sultans rewarded those Hindus who became loyal and didn’t provide lots of persecution. You people are blinded.

Your Ignorance proceeds you….
Not Surprisingly, you don’t have a slightest clue what is in Jihadis Mind.

A Jihadi is some one who wants to fight against Infidel (Kuffar), kufr, Fassad ( created by Kafirs) and SHIRK too.
So those who are kuffar, and who spread Fassad (5:32, 8:71,72,73….) are liable for punishment and those fake muslims who oppose Quranic verses are also liable for killing.
These people are called SHIRK, because they veer away from basic tenets of ISLAM.

Dara was one of them, he was more inclined to Hinduism philosophy, sufism etc etc.
He also translated several Hindu sacred books into persian. evidently, Muslims were not happy with him.
So, when Aurangzeb wanted to kill him, every one of muslim supported him wholeheartedly, even though his father was favouring Dara to be his apparent heir.

You probably know the answer to that yourself. There is a constant tension of competition of what Muslim group is more authentic than the other. The infidel concept gives the idea that its perfectly fine to kill other Muslims because they were kuffars anyways.

Dara Shiloh was killed by Aurangzeb because he was considered a very moderate muslim who respected and loved all other religions. Just look it up in the internet. The Muslims who were killed were the ones who were considered moderate and considerate and not hardliners like the majority of Muslims. Does this answer your question?

Any interested ppl must also read history books in Hindi…latest I read was ‘Panipat’ by vishwas patil ( & Chhava on sambha ji, books by acharya Chatursen) . It details how after the war, Muhammed Shah abdali killed all men & made women as sex slaves(even sold them).now this is not rare but important part is this was done as a religious duty.

No body mentions how many Christians had Hitler killed, but everyone speaks about Jews Holocaust. This is what u mean that Hitler was for war of power and these Jew sympathizer are shouting all for nothing.

If Christians and Hindus wish.They both can finish Muslims.These two religions have a modern technology which Muslims do not possess.If Hindus decide to go by the mentality with which Muslims carried out barbaric activities in all those past 800 years.the Muslims will be vanquished and India can be made Muslim free nation.

U can never do it even the whole world goes against it… this article is all lies.. india is the most stupidest country after the fall of muslim leader ship.. now the brainless indian worship from cows, goats to human penis and movie stars even… wake up 100 million god worshippers

If I am not mistaken, the Muslims around the world are getting their asses bombed to hell by the western powers. And in India, the terrorist Burhan Wani has been eliminated. Continue on your jihadis path of destruction and the the only people to be destroyed will be you, the hard line Muslims. And you will drag the innocent, moderate Muslims down with you. Good luck and may Shri Ram give you wisdom.

Muslims around the world are not getting “bombed by Western powers”. That’s only happening in countries where the Muslim leaders believe their presence help them to keep things together to avert the region from collapsing. No one from a foreign leadership, especially the West which is so stricly regulated, can arrive and bomb another country without being invited to do so. It’s Muslim leaders who negotiate contracts to bring a foreign military presence in their own countries to warn their neighbours not to attack them.

The true nature and character of Islam is best viewed through its early history.
This Early history stands in stark contrast to the early history of Christianity.

Though Christianity later became corrupted and very violent, it did not begin thus. The teachings and example of Mohammed differ profoundly from the teaching and example of Jesus Christ, who chose to freely lay down his life that others might live. C

Catholicism is not Christianity. Romans, after 300 years heavy persecution, subdued and cornered Christianity into paganism. The reformers protested against the lies of the PAPACY, which they said is the seat of Satan and set Christianity free once again, thus we have the KJV bible today.
Kadijah (40, catholic) married mohammad (25).
Catholic and islam are family!
Catholics invented islam to kill Christians and Jews.

I am an Indian Muslim an like to express my view..clearly there ideals were wrong..there faith was wrong..In The KORAN it is clearly written that killing one innocent individual is like slaying the entire man kind..and saving one is like saving the entire man kind..Non Believers must be killed is not endorsed by Islam and neither written in The KORAN..and a Muslim who kills an innocent seizes to be Muslim from the day prior to that and will definitely burn in the depths of hell after death..clearly they mis interpreted Islam or they were acting on there own individual accord…

@Zeeshan, whatever radical thinking it is but the truth is that, it is has taken controlof mostof the muslims. The extreamistic ideology is coming from quran. No muslim boy born with such extreamist. This is an ugly Islamic truth and we Hindus are victim of this Hence I recommend total annhilation of Islam from Planet Earth.
As long as Quran exist,s, we will continue to be killed by Muslims

hahahaha u muslim pig. no hindu would convert into islam by his choice. nobody likes islam in this world. zakir naik is a piece of shit who himself is a converted pusslim. he would be killed one day. he is only alive because of stupid indian govt.

Good luck getting rid of the Quran from planet earth. As people get more civilized, fewer and fewer of them will believe in those made up Hindu gods and goddesses, or worship their idols or Shiva’s penis. From before and after apes began walking upright, they killed each other everywhere on earth and no kings, governments, prophets or religion have fully succeeded to turn all of them into humans. Because new, innocent baby apes are born everyday with the potential to turn into beasts or into relatively decent humans, depending on what they are taught, so the struggle to turn them into humans begin anew. That’s why Abraham told his people not to worship idols and believe in only The One True God, Moses brought the Ten Commandments and told people not to kill, steal or covet their neighbors’ wives and Jesus told us to forgive even our enemies, even though both the Bible and the Torah are full of gruesome details on how to kill your enemies or innocent people whose land you want to take over. Long before Islam came to India, Hindus not only kept their lower castes under their boots and killed them at will, they persecuted Buddhists and killed their infants simply for preaching their non-violence, so much so that Buddhists had to flee from India to save heir lives. And now Buddhist monks in Myanmar themselves have turned into killers! Your Mahatma Gandhi himself was shot to death by Nathuram Godsey, one of your devout Indian Hindu terrorist. And Hindus have been killing Muslims in India since the partition in 1947 and still killing Kashmiris. Religion didn’t prevent Hitler or Europeans in general from killing the Jews, Judaism isn’t preventing Israel from illegally occupying Palestine and killing its people, the lofty Judeo-Christian moral values didn’t prevent the Western powers from brutally colonizing and imposing it’s language, culture and religion on other peoples of the world and it didn’t prevent them from attacking, raping, torturing and killing hundreds and thousands of innocent Iraqi Muslim men, women and children of Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11. So I wouldn’t blame any religion for the failure of its so called followers to abide by its true message. Because with or without religion, evil will exist as long as ignorance, greed, hatred and bigotry exist in the world. And it won’t be cured by people like you or I who are full of it. We can’t even change ourselves, let alone the world.

Mohammed is dinosaur shit. Muslims are ignorant. Mohammed was a rapist murdering pedophile and enemy of the Jews, the chosen people of the Creator. Any people who use terror to subdue others deserve to be eradicated from the face of the earth like the Canaanites. You people are shit who believe in the toilet paper book Koran. there is nothing good to be found there, only the death of the human race. You can not resurrect the Neanderthal race that Mohammed is.

Speak lie with loudly once second and many more times and Islam has become a religion of peace but history can’t change kuran can’t change terrorism can’t change and Islam reality can’t change . any other releigon teaches us peace except of Islam .All Muslim are not terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims. On the issue of terrorism Muslims keep quiet why? Tell me ? You are one of those whose forefathers bore Islamic jehad cut off their neck and your mother sister was raped and converted into Islam and after all of these you are favouring of Islamic terrorism. Just think only think your eyes will be full from tears.

Zeeshan, you don’t even know your own barbaric religion. It is indeed written in the Koran that killing one innocent individual is like slaying the entire mankind. But that quote is originally from Jewish holy scripture, from Sanhedrin 37a to be more exact! And you conveniently left the part out how that part is copied in the Koran (at 5:32). Let me quote the full part:

“We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person – unless it be in retaliation for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew all mankind: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humanity.”

See? It’s for the children of Israel, i.e. the Jews.

Now what does the Koran says to Muslims about nonbelievers? The very next sura, 5:33 says “Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth to cause mischief in the land is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land.”

Hand and feet cut from opposite sides. Now that’s much more typically Islam like. And no wonder as Muhammad (piss be upon his rotting corpse) was a cruel warlord, a rapist, a torturer, who took joy in the killings of innocents and whose early years was spent by robbing caravans.

You have probably never read entire Koran. Do you know Prophet consummated a marriage when he was 43 and his wife was 9 years old. Please live on facts not beliefs. The holocaust by Muslims around the world is a fact. The perpetrators themselves have recorded the inhumanity! They asked Indians to either convert or die. Indian Muslims by and large are decedents of those who converted. Some others converted to escape zizia or humiliating existence. Only a very few converted to be favourite of the king or to gain recognition. These are facts. Read accounts of invaders and European historians if want to disbelieve Indian historians. We must live by truth.

@jeeshan
Look who’s claiming so ?
A previous kafir now a 3rd grade muslim al-taqaiyya prectioner from indian sub-continent who’s Arabian masters not even ready to give them the status of a boot-licker despite their continuo ass-licking since generations..??

That verse is decreed for the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, not arabs.
It is a copy from TALMUD SENHEDRIN 37A.
Next verse is for arabs, saying, kill, behead, crucify those who are against allah and moahammad.
READ YOUR QURAN! Another ignorant mohammedan.

For all of those who truly seek the truth in this matter, they should spend a few hours reading and researching from religionofpeace.com. There you will find clear proof that the Islamic murder and plunder of India over an approximately 400 year period resulted in more humans slain than in ALL of the other wars of mankind combined throughout history. See the article “Islamic Indian Slave Trade” down on the left side of the referenced website.
Islam is truly a vermin-infested, murderous, evil, Satanic political-religious system, and should be avoided by all of humanity. It would be highly preferable if Islam, in it’s totality, were expunged from the world – that means 100% exterminated and obliterated!

FYI, your average orthodox Christian is supposed to not eat meat for most of the year, not just Copts, Syriacs, Malankarans, Melkites, and Maronites; even European orthodox Christians are supposed to abstain from meat a vast majority of the year.

This article is great.
I need to clarify a few things.
ALL of the pictures used are Muslim atrocities against SIKHS.
SIKHS are not Muslims or HINDUS.
Pictures should prove that we were enemy number 1 for Muslims.
Hindus don’t keep hair – so the guy getting scalped got punished for refusing to cut hair but he said scalp me instead.
The 5 Rupees per head were for SIKHS by Abdali who mostly attacked through northern regions to loot India but Sikhs would LOOT him. LOL! True story. SO he got major mad and boy did he punish us. AND boy did we ever punish him.
Hindu caste system only allowed 15% Warrior caste to fight but once they were killed or converted by 1500 ad or so there was no Hindu resistance.
ACTUALLY HIndu priests and noblemen made deals to coexist with muslims and agreed to be their cattle.
THEIR women could be taken anytime – the would not teach their language or hymns – they couldn’t ride horses without permission, they could not wear noble clothes- they could not carry weapons.
ALL this is written by a Persian in a book Chachnama – pdf on net in english is floating around.

SIKHS on the other hand believed in US like morals of freedom wit right ot carry weapons etc. Hindu noblemen joined Muslims to kill Sikhs – 12 hill kings attacked Sikhs leaders and Gurus while helping muslims.
Yes for 8 centuries HINDUS did suffer a lot and were cattle as I said. Their [our] women were taken by milllions for sex trade in ARABIA.
Our children were strung on spears or made into necklaces for mothers.
WHAT works?
NOY Gandhi’s frikking bleeding heart rules.
NOPE.
What worked was KIRPAN – sword – mercy to honour.
SIKHS gurus told their Sikhs to wear a kirpan. Every women child and male wore one – CODE OF THE EAST I call it.
ONLY language right wing muslims understands is force. NOtice I said right wing muslim.
Yes 90% muslims are peaceful but their leaders and clergy do the dirty work so they can afford to be peaceful.
PROBLE is that 90% dont do a thing when a minority gets abused.
90% also benefit beautiful when Islamic rule comes.
[1] SO sword aka KIRPAN worked
[2] Crusaders worked – oh i forgot – that was KIRPAN also.

BGGEST complaint here I am making is that americans are dumb – they do not see a good alley when one stares them in the face.
They think SIKHS are muslims due to ignorance.

They can’t be more wrong.
INDIA had 9-11 like conditions for 1000 years not 30 minutes.
Those conditions forced GOD to bring forth SIKHS.
ONLY reasons SIKHS were made was and is to fight cruelty.
WE were Guardian Angels – volunteer police, army to protet the innocent.
IMAGINE that we did 400 years ago hat american army does now!

very true bro.. its only because of the Sikhs their armies and empires that the Hindus are living peacefully today in India.. my best friends are Sikhs and I’m happy the Sikhs chose India as their home and to glorify and protect it..

Yes, Sikhs are brothers to Hindus. They saved HIndus from oppressive muslim rule. One of the Sikh guru sacrificed himself to protect Kashmiri Pandits.
In the beginning Sikh Gurus were no different from Hindu reformers like Kabir, Dau and others. The only thing makes it different is strong Guru-Disciple tradition and prevalent Islamic torchers which forced it.. In Guru Granth sahib many of the words and saying from that era is incorporated.
If we take some reference from that time we get to know that Guru Nanak belonged to Rajput Family. Every one of Sikh Guru was from Hindu origin not Islamic.
In other words I would say, Sikh is an extreme form of Hinduism. They well disciplined and peace loving people who fight for rightousness.

ur wrong here. It was the hindu Marathi people who saved the hindus from Mughals. nobody destroyed the Mughals the way marathis did. Sikhs did their part but marathis killed the muslims the most in indian history. In fact Marathi army even saved the Punjabis and Sikhs from the Mughals and freed Punjab from the Mughals.
so it is because of hindu marathis that hindus r living relatively peacefully in india today. Now we r facing the converted muslims from india, pak and Bangladesh. the war is not over yet. it will continue as muslim population keeps on increasing thanks to the stupid indian politicians and SICKULAR hindus.

“Yes 90% muslims are peaceful but their leaders ”
this is the biggest joke i have heard. In spite of suffering so much at the hands of muslims, hindus and Sikhs say this while on the other hand even if a single muslim is killed by a hindu, the muslims term all the hindus as non-peaceful.
this hindu and Sikh attitude shown by u is the biggest reason of muslim atrocities on india.
and BTW hindu Maratha army killed much more muslims than the Sikhs. Hindu Maratha army even saved many Sikhs from muslims in Punjab.Hindu Maratha army also consisted of many Marathi Brahmins and not just marathas by caste.
hindu Marathas were the number 1 protectors of hindu people in india and ruled nearly the entire india at that time. After Marathas were the Sikhs and then the rajputs in protecting hindus.

Mr JSS is unknown to history.our 9 gurus were hindus as well as 10th.guru gobind singh was born with name of gobind rai later gobind singh.In 1699 he fomed khalsa panth to protect people.
rest people can readhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Gobind_Singh
and lot of wikipedia has written guru nanak dev ji started sikh religion ,its wrong
sikh we called as shishya disciple.
we are pure form of hinduism
kindly JSS JI read dasam granth of guru gobind singh
he was disciple of lord shiva and kali too
if u go through shabad hazare and kirtans understand the meanings.

muhammedans believing earth is flat is easy to prove as they lift their assholes 5 times a day in the direction “opposite” to makkah. Had they known Earth is a sphere they would’ve realized they had been pointing their assholes towards Makkah all of this time.

we have religious fanatics which should be condemned by all and dont keep silent in allowing your fellow brothers of your faith and belief commit such atrocious crime which God and Allah will allow???!!!

do not be a religious fanatics…all the 4 major religions are teaching good stuff, chosse 1 and stcik to it without harming others belief and faith….Mercedes , Royce Rolls , Volvo and Lexus etc are good cars..just choose one , drive and DONT go to destroy other cars thinking that your car is the ONLY and the BEST which can be allowed to drive on the ROAD !

Don’t twist the fact, Quraan speaks about circular flat earth not spherical. This very common observation of an ordinary man like muhammad. He also speaks about earth surrounded by sea which is not correct than sea surrounded by mountains. How silly was he.
This man says about seven skys and accordingly fits jihadis, houris, and angels and god in heavens. What an imagination but far from reality.

@abraham, do you belive houri exist and jihadis go to them after death? Do you believe angles are watching over us from their heavens?

Ha ha… I didn’t mention any fact, I just asked the simple question for you I will repeat it…

“Where in quran it is mention earth is not round”

or
“where in Quran it is mention that earth is flat”

if you want to know my belief.. Whom you are calling Jihadis, i don’t even consider as jihadis, for me they are just the terrorist and according to my belief people who kill another innocent human will go to hell.

Yes i believe like the other major religion of the world God knows and have control over everything which happen in this universe.

@ Abraham,
When you say killing innocent persons is an evil act, then you talk hypocrite and this is double standard. Killing of any one innocent is evil.
Let me remind you the act if your evil prophet muhammad. (Don’t tell me now you don’t follow muhammad) . He killled 1000 innocent men and women inclusive all teenage above 12 year. This was attack on Banu Quraza tribe.
After sliting their throat he buried their head in the middle of medina bazar.
Pallav Arora says:
April 29, 2015 at 4:08 pm

@Abraham, Muhammad killed people, he urged his followers to kill non-believers. This is well documented in Islamic books.

The interpretations by the clerics, even in Mecca which is suppose to stand for the authentic interpretation of the Koran, is that the reference to carpet is a reference to flat. As usual, Muslims always alter their Koran and there has been some recent additions that has replaced the word carpet with “egg”.

Here is somemore clarifications to you nutters on the flat earth claim:

Sateh means “flat” in Arabic and Sutehat means flattened out. The Koran at 88:20 refers to the earth being flat.

Why don’t you simply admit it that the Koran is fragmented, old and from a time and age with fragmented knowledge, compiled by an ILLITERATE criminal who did not even know that the letters for ALLAH spells AUM in sanskrit?
You can’t rely on this old rubbish.

Increase your own knowledge. You don’t know anything. You keep asking other people to filling your gaps of your idiocy because you don’t even know where to look. Muslims are the most savage and idiotic people on earth. There exist no intelligence, no contribution to humanity, no strength of thought, nothing.

Goodness! How many clips and references do we have to give? And that’s only a few. You can search the rest yourself, which you of course are incapable of doing. Its a typical muslim argument. Nothing is good enough for you savages.

Well, I understand you will beat around the bush as you have done so far.
I asked you about evil acts of muhammad and I am still unable to digest the fact how can a prophet do this? Where he Is supposed to be a morally ideal person cause each of his steps will be examples for his followers to follow.
How on earth he could order beheading of innocent people of Banu Quranza? Isn’t is the same ISiS people are doing? Following the path set by Your Evil Prophet?

Another question I want to ask you since you are from Indian sub continent.
You seem to have knowledge about muhammad and his arabic band. Although he has nothing to do with India. Do you have knowledge about your ancestors? Do you know what have they done? what were the reasons they had to convert to Islam? Do you about history of India? Do you know what India has given to the world?
Again, Important one, Do you know your nations language? The language of our culture and heritage?
I have classic examples from muslim source when they forcefully converted Hindus, destroyed Hindu temples, Imposed taxes, raped women, burned books, destroyed libraries. There is nothing good about Islam it just a hateful evil religion. Have a proud on your culture and heritage build by your ancestors.

” Where in Quran its mention “Duniya chapati hain” Just like a surface of a table”

As you claim

–Do you have knowledge about your ancestors?

yes i am from Indian Sub continent most precisely from Delhi. I can’t calm that I have all the knowledge about my ancestors, i have learn and still learning about my history.

–Do you know what have they done?

Be specific who you are referring to by “they”

—what were the reasons they had to convert to Islam?

Be specific who you are referring to by “they”

If you are speaking about my ancestors really I don’t have factual knowledge. Their could be theories you will have yours and I will have mine

—Do you about history of India? Do you know what India has given to the world?

Again I can’t calm I know all, but I have learnt some and still learning. If you talking about some specific incident please share. I am always ready to learn.

India has given lot to the world in every field Science, math, literature, almost in every field do you want me to list them?

—Do you know your nations language? The language of our culture and heritage?

I don’t know why you asked this question. Currently we don’t have any national language for India, The official languages of the Union Government of the Republic of India are Hindi in the Devanagari script and English.Also we have 22 listed official languages.

From second part if you referring to history of Indian languages. We majorly have two group of languages Indo-Aryan and the Dravidian languages. Besides these we have lot of local languages.

I would say, you give me any religion of the world and I will list all the above point for that religion with examples.

—There is nothing good about Islam it just a hateful evil religion.

Again, you give me any religion and I will list 10 good thing about it.

When you don’t know anything about any religion you can find any good thing in that. I can estimate your knowledge of Islam when you say In Quran it is mention earth is flat and you can’t give a single line to prove it.

—Have a proud on your culture and heritage build by your ancestors.

I am not blind follower of anything, or one who brand his culture and heritage as best. I believe every culture is mix of some good and some evil. If some thing is done wrong my some person I will not feel shame in excepting that even if he is my ancestor.

—I asked you about evil acts of muhammad and I am still unable to digest the fact how can a prophet do this? Where he Is supposed to be a morally ideal person cause each of his steps will be examples for his followers to follow.
How on earth he could order beheading of innocent people of Banu Quranza?

I know you were waiting for the reply of this part. I told you before also don’t give general sentence, come with example. I am happy you come up with example of Banu Quranza. But I don’t know what problem you find with this. can you explain in detail what you know so that I can know what your understanding.

—Isn’t is the same ISiS people are doing? Following the path set by Your Evil Prophet?

I answer this before also for you I will repeat, what ISIS doing is not what Islam teaches, listed you 100 of Islamic reference who regard ISIS as non-Islamic

Do you not see that Allah has made subservient to you whatsoever is in the earth and the ships running in the sea by His command? And He withholds the heaven FROM FALLING ON THE EARTH except with His permission; most surely Allah is Compassionate, Merciful to men. Shakir

Commentary:

If He willed, He could give the sky permission to fall on the earth, and whoever is in it would be killed, but by His kindness, mercy and power, He withholds the heaven from falling on the earth, except by His leave … (Source)

Note: Certainly it is God, the Creator who put everything in place to function well. And He is also the sustainer who upholds the continuing existence of the world. However, the above formulation presupposes that the sky above us is something heavy and hard which could cause serious damage, even kill people, if it were to fall down. That certainly is scientific nonsense!

. 27:61

Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as A FIXED ABODE, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water). Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Nay, but most of them know not. Hilali-Khan

Note here these two other translations:

Is not He (best) Who made the earth A FIXED ABODE … Pickthall

He who made the earth A FIXED PLACE… A.J. Arberry

Commentary:

meaning, STABLE AND STATIONARY, SO THAT IT DOES NOT MOVE OR CONVULSE, because if it were to do so, it would not be a good place for people to live on. But by His grace and mercy, He has made it smooth and calm, and it is not shaken or moved

Quran tells about earth in the form of carpet spread out for us. Carpet is always flat it is neither ciRcular nor spherical. Actually, Earth is spherical.
Again, muhaammad speaks sky is fixed on hidden pilars. This is clear proof that he wants to imply earth is flat.
Abraham, I have been keep saying that take your islamic glasses off. Use your brains no one like you or us who has knowledge would ever talk bullshit like this. It was his guess which completely missed the aim. He did not get any revealatiin from god or alah. Just a nornal cynic for power.

Regarding, some evil people….. again you misinterpret… There is huge jihadi army bigger than combined army of many small country ready to engulf whole world. Still you are saying “some”??
There are islamic terrorist in roughyly every country even than you are saying “some”??
There are not less than 1 million islamic terrorist in the world…. is it still “some” for you??
Today, believe me lot many think that Islam is potential threat to them and their family… “some” think islamic ideology will eventualy lead to 3rd world war…This is true and result of discussion with many Hindu fellows.
We are not blind, we are seeing the only problem with kashmir matter is majority muslim population. If kashmir were Hindu majority state we never had such kashmir issue.

— You yourself answer this part dear. Don’t be blind. “पालना (बिछौना) ” Don’t need flat surface it is used to explain that earth is made for you as place to live.

–Can you tell me from where you get the words “pillar”. there is no word to specify pillars. Quran was for the people of all the time from time it was given to Mohammad (as) to the present day. when you speaking to a person in 6th Century about sky, stars, solar system that would be best possible way to make them understand.

—- There is nothing fix in this universe. Still we give coordinate of a place with reference to earth how, whole geography is based on the assumption that earth IS FIXED WITH REFERENCE TO THINGS ON EARTH, Like rivers, mountain, sea

— what you say bullshit i am giving logical answer to these points, you may not agree to these points lets say these are debatable.

there are thousand of other point in Quran, example, which are confirm by modern day scientific discoveries

—- even if I take your number of 1 Million for which you can’t provide proof still there are 1.6 billion muslim around the world. you can do the basic math

— Why you connect kashmir issue with religion when its political issue between India, Pakistan and people of kashmir. Can you do nixalite hit state in the middle and south west India are Muslim dominated, Do the LTTE is a muslim dominated problem, Do the mizorum, assam, arunachal pradesh do they have muslim dominated population. Do punjab has muslim dominated population.

— Didn’t I say ” the Most unreasonable”..
What do you mean by “पालना (बिछौना) ” ? is it circular or spherical?? A typical carpet is flat and square or rectangular. Ask yourself, How many time have you seen circular or SPHERICAL carpet?

– Have you decided that I will refute everything which is against islam ?
Things which do not even compatible with Islam, you try to make that part of Islam. Islam and science can not be together. Moreover, Don’t just guess too much, read what your evil phophet had done. The statement you have given here is foolish.
“Quran was for the people of all the time from time it was given to Mohammad (as) to the present day. when you speaking to a person in 6th Century about sky, stars, solar system that would be best possible way to make them understand”

You are trying to bring new theory that Muhammad was very intelligent and rest were fool in Arabia. Anyways, I have read pillar word from several Islamic website, providing translation of Quran, one such renowned book is : http://quran.com/31 and read whether have they not used word PILLAR (LUQMAN:10)

—- There is nothing fix in this universe. Still we give coordinate of a place with reference to earth how, whole geography is based on the assumption that earth IS FIXED WITH REFERENCE TO THINGS ON EARTH, Like rivers, mountain, sea
Mr, Abraham, This is called Relative science. We, humans are giving reference with earth since time immemorial, I guess not less than 10000 Years. Than what was new with Muhammad. He also thought like an ordinary common man.

— what you say bullshit i am giving logical answer to these points, you may not agree to these points lets say these are debatable.

there are thousand of other point in Quran, example, which are confirm by modern day scientific discoveries

—- even if I take your number of 1 Million for which you can’t provide proof still there are 1.6 billion muslim around the world. you can do the basic math

Lets assume, 26/11, 11/9 and 12/7 attacks a few JIHADI TERRORISTS can kill a few hundreds.
I assume one Jihadi can take life of 25 Humans. (this is reasonable average keeping in mind several recent attacks) This means if there are 1 Million Extremist Muslim terrorists are on loose, we have endangered at least 25 Million civilians.
This is whopping high numbers of human we keeping in danger by not taking action against muslim terrorists/ Islamic Ideology..

— When people like you relate Naxalite problems with Islamic you tend to forget the one big difference. Islamic terrorism is a global problem while Naxalistes are ultra regional problems and sporadic in nature generally arose out of currroption There are similar problems like Kashmir in other region of the world. like Palestine, Phillipines, Indonesia, Europe, armenia, chechanya, East Turkmenistan.
The ideology behind this problem is shear Islamic

This is a very wrong &biased information given in this blog. Firstly islam came to India in a peaceful manner in kerala. The oldest mosque in india is the cheramannar mosque in kerala which was built by arab traders by the order of cheraman perumal the chera ruler who converted to islam ,this was as early as 620AD. Refer to Wikipedia of required.
Secondly the Jews kosher methods were taught by prophet moses who was a predecessor of prophet Muhammed. Prophet Muhammed taught most of the things of his predecessors like prophet jesus, prophet moses,prophet Abraham. Many of the facts in this article are naive and wrong . The author requires to research more before he writes falsehood.

Why do you lie? The Koran gives testimony to the history of Mohammed and his gang. Never did they arrive in peace anywhere. You are basically saying the Koran lies. Your prophet would offer prayers to “Allah, the Lord of the devils” before he proceeded to raid, loot and kill innocent people – arriving at nights while they were sleeping.

Muslim army never went to Malyasia and Indonesia yet they are muslim majority countries. Muslims are politically a weak community in Europe and America and India yet among all religious conversion most people convert to Islam even in these days. Rate of growth in Muslim population in Indendent Hindu majority India is greater than the rate of growth in Muslim population in Muslim monarchy.

Why do we have to give proves to muslims everytime? It is similar to India giving proves & loads of proves to pakistan eveeytime the pakistanis commit terrorism act. Why don’t we understand that an evil qill not take any argument or fact against them. For them their act is right t6is is how they justify it.

There is nothing good with Islam with respect to other religion. This is sweiously Anti-religion sect.

You can’t blame the common Hindus, since it was not their task to rule and defend the country. They were just living their lives in peace and did what they had to do.

It was the task of the Maharaja to rule the empire and the task of the Kshatriya’s to keep invading armies out of the land. They failed miserably in this task. Hindu rulers fought with each other instead of working together to keep the Muslims out. Some Hindu rulers even allied with the Muslims to fight other Hindu rulers. When the job was done they got attacked by their so-called Muslim ally, since the Muslims only had one goal and that was to convert the people and steal all their wealth. They had no intention to be friends with Hindus.

So who can we blame for all this misery? I would say, blame the Maharaja’s and Kshatriya’s, because they are the ones who had let this all happen. They are the cowards and traitors of our history. When the British came, they did the same thing: fighting each other, ally with the British and in the end they all got fucked up and conquered.

Only Muslims “conquered” and occupied India. The British did not want a permanent presence in India; they had a tiny number of people, India was far away and it was expensive, dangerous and tedious to travel to India. They were cajoled and invited by the Maharajas with promises of sole trade contracts. There was no conquest.

You are wrong Mr. Admin, it was only middle of 20th century when british thought India was no more a safe place for them.
I have plenty of evidences to support this fact. You have just forgotten that Australia is much farther and uninhabited land plus land was not at all ideal for men from cold place but even then british made it their settlement. Same is with other islands in indian ocean and pacific.
There was considerable number of brit and anglo Indians permanantly settled in India. It was only Anti anglo feelings in common Indians due to atrocities of englishmen. The brit got afraid and realized India maynot be a safe place for brits anymore.
During 1940s, many british people were killed and burned by angry mob. Even in delhi. Too.

You display the typical Indian racism we see all the time. Britain was in fact very angry at the distorted portrayal of history in Hindu films, where everything is fabricated as propaganda. Its Muslim sentiments, written in your history books. The dangers we mentioned had nothing to do with dangers in India. You can’t even read a sentence properly. It’s dangers of sea travels.
During the 1940’s Britain was defending its country against Germany and France in a very expensive war. Britain returned India to the people without any Gandhi efforts (unlike popular belief) because of the huge expense to manage this enormous country. Britain did not have enough man-power or resources to manage India, as they had constant dealing with stopping Muslim progression to spread out of Arabia and Africa in addition to the Nazi threat.
At its maximum point India had only 10,000 native British in India, with a population of 400 million people to manage at the time. While most of British rule the actual British presence was no more than 5,000 Brits. The rest were Indian employed staff. The idea that a mere 5,000 Brits committed a constant string of “atrocities” is beyond absurd. It’s Muslims who were responsible for your atrocities because that’s the only way they could keep the huge population under Sharia.
Show your “evidence” from authentic sources, not some armchair Indian or Muslim “author”. The so call historical accounts from India don’t even come with facts but are racial and biased in nature, originating from re-written scripts. The British Archives have all original documentation as they were communicated, including those between the Maharajas and Britain.

Mr. Admin, I guess we are gathered here for a common cause and that is to educate people against evil Islam.
We should not argue amongst each other, this is what we hindus have learnt from our past.
But for your information I would like to point out two sources of my knowledge regarding british raj and they are as authetic as yours.
1. Cronicles and archives left by british in India.
2. Bbc documentries about India during british raj.
No doubt british liberated us from evil muslim nawabs and nizams but they did it for their own benefits not because their sole intention was to liberate India.
Some facts.
1. In the beginning of 20th century around 20 million pound revenue by british India was directly sent to britain. There was a strong opposition to this in one of congress meeting a well recorded fact. Do you know about home charges? it was a type of tax to be paid by british national doing any business in India.Here a point to be noted that total expenses to run administration in britain was around 17 million. hence, in this way the britain was making profit by 48 million sterlingi every year keeping individual profit aside.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ePjUrqrx8HkC&pg=PA48&dq=annual+income+from+india+britain&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCwQ6AEwA2oVChMIzq22uv7LxwIVaBimCh3Rbwwr#v=onepage&q=annual%20income%20from%20india%20britain&f=false

2. All the expenditure of the India minister and his office, cabinet was being paid from India not by britain, though cabinet was situated in britain.

3. All those officers and staff who ever worked in India. after retirement their pension and other benfits were usually paid by India.

7. many big bussiness were under control of british like tea plantation, metal ores, motor vehicle industries, banking, publishing.it is estimated from 1700 to 1900 Indian share of global market fall from 22.6% to 3.8%. this is huge.
read great depression in India due to protective british policy by a british writerhttp://www.self.gutenberg.org/articles/great_depression_in_india

There are many other facts to mention but my point is not to show britain as pure evil. They were just opportunistic. They saw the meager condition in India and exploited it for their own benefit. this what every bussiness man do.

p.s. all the refernce given above are frrom british or european authors not Indian.

We should not argue amongst each other, this is what we hindus have learnt from our past.
But for your information I would like to point out two sources of my knowledge regarding british raj.
1. Cronicles and archives left by british in India.
2. Bbc documentries about India during british raj.
No doubt british liberated us from evil muslim nawabs and nizams but they did it for their own benefits not because their sole intention was to liberate India.
Some facts.
1. In the beginning of 20th century around 20 million pound revenue by british India was directly sent to britain. There was a strong opposition to this in one of congress meeting a well recorded fact. Do you know about home charges? it was a type of tax to be paid by british national doing any business in India.Here a point to be noted that total expenses to run administration in britain was around 17 million. hence, in this way the britain was making profit by 48 million sterling every year keeping individual profit aside.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ePjUrqrx8HkC&pg=PA48&dq=annual+income+from+india+britain&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCwQ6AEwA2oVChMIzq22uv7LxwIVaBimCh3Rbwwr#v=onepage&q=annual%20income%20from%20india%20britain&f=false

2. All the expenditure of the India minister and his office, cabinet was being paid from India not by britain, though cabinet was situated in britain.

3. All those officers and staff who ever worked in India. after retirement their pension and other benfits were usually paid by India.

7. many big bussiness were under control of british like tea plantation, metal ores, motor vehicle industries, banking, publishing.it is estimated from 1700 to 1900 Indian share of global market fall from 22.6% to 3.8%. this is huge.
read great depression in India due to protective british policy by a british writerhttp://www.self.gutenberg.org/articles/great_depression_in_india

Well all said and done.
What is the future ?
What i feel that islamic invaders won because we hindus were divided and subdivied. To this date everyone knows the state of hindu society. What makes you think that history will not repeat.
Its a matter of time when islam will start large scale massacre of hindu polulation, aided by chinese. I recall my meeting with a south korean intelectual. And he said the one very commonthing between korea and india is that both the civilization never ever attacked anyother country. Lols . This is a sign of weakness or stregnth? You have the answer. I need not tell. Basic funda of nature is ” if you do not grow, you will presish” Islam knew this from day one, so they kept the steam on to conquer.
Rather cribbing about the past focus on future and plan.

Learn from the jewish state israel, and you will have the guide to survive which can be implimented rightaway. Jews learned it hardway. For them it became a matter of survival. So now you see state of israel srounded by Islamic butuchers, but still thriving.

Hinduism need to change its thought process, if it want to survive.
1. Bind all with one institute maybe going far as making hindu communism.
2. Clearing weeds of society spl gandhis, lalu, mulayam, amma didi etc.
3. Step by step eliminating Islam from its soil.
4. Blostering defence.
5. Aquire new territories. And it should be a constant.

firstly, the admin should do some more Research before posting anything on Internet. THATS SIKHS IN THESE PICTURES WHO WERE MASSACERED BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO ACCEPT ISLAM AND SIKHS ARE NOT HINDUS; MIND IT:

” SIKHS ARE NOT HINDUS; MIND IT:” JUST LIKE CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS..Mind it.
@JASMEEN : 400-500 yrs ago your GURU’s WORE TURBANS & IN ONE WAY IT SYMBOLIZED THE WIDE WISDOM IN THEIR HEAD. Today So called Sikhs like JASMEEN are EMPTY TURBANS AND NOTHING IN THEIR HEAD. I had personally been to Gurudwaras and seen the Granthes been chanted with my Sikh Girl friend. ( Unlike you she is not in denial mode ) …. WHY WAS SIKHISM BORN ? WHY DO SIKHS STILL WORSHIP THE SHIVA LINGAM.
These are so called “Opportunist” Sikhs who like to delineate themselves from the Hindu Fold because , its just not very easy to defend oneself as a Hindu with a Hindu Identity in the face of Moslem predators.
Fact is when you throw away your Hindu Identify , you DENY what Moslems did to you in 500-700 yrs ago …and ONCE AGAIN IN 1947 ..AND ONCE AGAIN IN 1984 ( Indira Gandhi was not gandhi but a moslem bitch ) ….. GO FIND OUT WHO PROTECTED YOUR SISTERS FROM BEING RAPED OR CONVERTED DURING THESE TIMES. RSS STOOD BY YOU ALL THESE TIMES AND YOU ARE DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR OWN BROTHER. WHAT A SHAME.

Forgive the girl, she is just an ignorant who knows what is tought to her by her sikh gurus. Sikh is a different religion now but it originated as different philosphy in hinduism. You may see the other variant of sikhism philosophy which could never become a religion. Like radhasoami, and different other Guru-disciple traditions. Shall we call ISCON a diiferent religion, and Lingayat, Virshaiva, Nath sect, Kali followers a different religion? There are many Guru-Disciple traditions even befire sikhism, their traditions are different from normal hindus but still all come under umbrella of hinduism. Eg. Naga Babas and Aghori are also Hindus.

Just to let you know, in Indonesia before arrival of hinduism it was mainly animism and shamanism. Thess tradition co-existed with hinduism and buddhism peacefullh. Infact native animism and shamanism blended with hinduism to so perfectly that it become assimilated in major hinduism.
But things started to change after arrival of Islam. Islam as usual is very intolerant and extreamist religion. It started to condemn and prosecute other religion especially targetting buddha and hinduism. There came a time when hinduism as well as all polytheist religion were banned. There hinduism had to be changed as per definition of religion in their political book and al other native religions had to take refuge under umbrella of hinduism.read more about panchsheela.

@pallav . Thanks for your enriching facts reg. indonesia that is news to me . I guess you brought out my point again. Thx. Its quite an IRONY ( & misfortune ) HOW CERTAIN SECTS turn an TOTAL BLIND EYE as to the people who tortured and murdered them. If Sikhs were to be up in arms against islam all over the world ……they’d be fighting a TOUGH battle because they’d be loosing all the good-will against pakis and saudis….SO THIS KIND OF ANTI – HINDU sentiment from pseudo sikhs is more matter or CONVENIENCE AND OPPORTUNISM .. IF THEY THROW MUD on Hindus instead.. NO ONE WILL CHALLENGE THEM , IN FACT ppl like Karan Thapar will facilitate it & they will get so much attention..like being a Sikh identify . Hindus are like BOXING BAGS …keep hitting them..nothing happens…and they get to be HEROES …but if they hit moslems…and its time to prove their real manhood ( real Kada ..not bangles ) …hey that’s too too tough…so why not go w/ the easier ….Hindu bashing. ?

The Dharmic traditions of India have a common heritage. The Holocaust of 800 years shed the blood of the Dharmic communities. For the #ReligionOfPeace all Dharmic community was the same target and suited to special #ISIS style treatment.
The questions are where and who the Sikhs come from?
This is not to take anything away from what the Sikh communities did or suffered from.

further if in case you have completed your basic studies like science , geography, history, evolution then your view points would have been different ; let it go… had u studied the legendary Hindu Mythology “THE MAHABHARATA ” your view points again would have been different..
that time your hindu religion was pure na ? then where was the respect for women then ?
what happened to drapaudi was socially justified although people fought for her but still she was publically harassed !!!
Did some one put this in your mind ??
Why Sita underwent the cruel AGNIPARIKSHA ; her husband even didnt trust her ? Such strong was the bond between THE FAMED husband and wife whose examples are still cited today ?
Oh god ! u were o innocent !

“IN SHORT THE MATTER IS IT’S NOT A SECT, RELIGION THAT IS RESPONSIBLE IT’S THE MENTALITY , THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF AN INDIVIDUAL THAT’S RESPONSIBLE AND WHEN THESE PEOPLE GROUP TOGETHER IT’S NEVER A SECT OR A RELIGION BUT THE COMMON PRESENTATION OF NEURO-PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDITION ”

{N.B. – THE CRIME RATES ARE LOWEST IN ARABIA ALMOST NEGLIBLE,I ADVISE JUST GO VISIT THERE AND LET ME KNOW}

“CRIME RATES ARE LOWEST IN ARABIA”
I could have LAUGHED it ROFL had it not been the PEOPLE YOU INSULT
PROOF 1

PROOF 2

PROOF 3
proof 4

proof 5

I hope you are OLD ENOUGH TO SEE THEM ALL.
MAHABHARATA IS AN EPIC UNLIKE THE LIFE OF YOU PERVERTED BASTARD MR MOHAMMED PAIGOOMBAR.
EVERYTHING IN HINDUISM IS SYMBOLIC AND NOT LITERAL.
THE DRAUPADI INCIDENT SYMBOLIZES ONE THING THAT IN UTTER DESPAIR , when one surrenders to GOD ( Mohammeds is excluded from that ) GOD COMES TO RESCUE
Its only a STUPID MORON like you that literally takes the meaning. Hindu Vedic Culture is 5000 yrs old and just like Egyptians used hieroglyphics that needed EXTREMELY SENSITIVE INTERPRETATION , same way Hindu Scriptures have to be understood in the light of what they symbolise.
CANT FOLLOW WHAT IS SAID.. Go take it by your teacher or some NON MOSLEM to make sense.

By the way at the time of Mahabharata the society was already corrupted. The system which Ram had created was plagued and it had to be destroyed. Lord Krishna in his sung the ideologies that should guide human virtues and that is ‘karma’. Read about how karma affects a person’s life and only good karma can help you mingle with the ‘parmatma’ or ‘Allah’ some people say. Hindus never object to any way of worship that may lead to ‘parmatma’ but believing that there is only one way and that is to embrace Islam is despotic and dangerous and anyone believing this should be terminated first.

YES but in today’s time we are surrounded by people and cultures that use “democracy” & “secularism” to justify the current state of affairs. Now we have the achieve goals under that frame work and the 1ST STEP in the direction is REGARDLESS of WHAT RELIGION you belong to …. Christian Jew Buddhist …long as you are NON MOSLEM who is affected by the islamic plague ..YOU SHOULD UNITE…..there maybe MANY DIFFERENCES amongst these non moslem religion…WE HAVE TO CAST THE DIFFERENCES ASIDE….create a GLOBALIST ANTI – MOSLEM TERROR Police force that transcends all geo boundaries ..with the SOLE GOAL OF EXTERMINATING ISLAM FROM THE FACE OF THIS EARTH ( Not Moslems mind you …NOT THE PPL ..JUST THE RELIGION ) . But I am not sure HOW EASY this goal is . ISLAM ppl have united to form a TRANS GLOBAL FORCE TO TERRORISE PPL CALLED ISIS..but THOSE WHO FIGHT ISLAM ARE JUST STUCK WITH WORDS , BLOGS AND COMMENT BOARDS … THERE IS NO trans-global ARMy WITH THE SOLE GOAL OF DESTROYING ISLAMIC TERROR ( passive and active ) .

Jane I take it you are a Christian and if an Indian a proper #Macaulay child. All the nonsense you quoted from the Dharmic traditions is typical Christian arguments without any understanding of our faith.

According to the Bible you are a born sinner and if you read the Old And the new testaments you will find very similar texts and treatments for non Christians to the Muslims. In fact Christianity has been just as brutal and genocidal to the rest of the world as Islam.
That brings me to your last point regarding the low crime in Arabia. I strongly recommend that you live there. May be move to ISIS territory.

@DHARMA SEWA PURVAPAKSHA
Christians Jews Buddhists and the rest of the world ARE ON THE SAME SIDE – AGAINST ISLAM. IF YOU TAKE SUCH SCREEN NAMES LITERALLY LIKE JANE IS REALLY JANE …. YOU HAVE NOT READ OR UNDERSTOOD “Taqiya” IN ISLAM .ISLAM PERMITS – LYING CHEATING RAPE ETC in the name of survival or please the pedophile prophet.

JANE IS NOT CHRISTIAN. I ALREADY EXPOSED THAT . JANE IS SOMEONE WHO WEARS A BURKHA AND SHARES THE BED WITH ( potentially ) 3 OTHER WOMEN (( In India Moslem men can sleep with > 3 women AT THE SAME TIME. WIKI SHAH BANO CASE ) – now or in the future.
WHATEVER GRUDGES You have ( I dont ) against any OTHER RELIGION except ISLAM should be set aside.

And CHRISTIANITY is NOT THE SAME BARBARIC religion as ISLAM. there is a BIG difference more than apples and oranges even more than apples and onions. If you don’t realize this then I pity your ignorance. Whatever it is – We NON MOSLEMS are on 1 side and Moslems are on the other side. United we Stand OR DIVIDED WE PERISH. WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT ?

hahahaha sikhs had to save their wives and sisters…..says who…the one whose religion was protected by a Sikh guru, the one whose ancestors, especially the most renowned Kashmiri pandits, pleaded the ninth Sikh Guru to save their religion from the tyrannies of Aurangzeb, the one whose ancestors requested the sikh armies to bring back their wives and sisters when they were kidnapped by the mughal forces even though the sikhs were only a handful and the mughal armies in lacs, the one who doesn’t know that sikhism preaches a way of life including how to defend oneself and the weaker lot (Be a sikh and you will be taught how to be a scholar, a warrior, a family man & a saint, all in one, irrespective of your gender!!). No. i don’t hate you for your ignorance, but i pity you for the lack of knowledge as well as the enthusiasm to read the history or to check facts. Btw, sikhs were never against islam, only against atrocities. They were the fearless lot when the hindus of the country were too sissy to fight the mughal emperors, and instead chose to put their cows in front whenever someone invaded to loot their treasures or women !
Must i also mention, that sikhism emanated because hindus were too busy categorizing people into castes, propagating untouchability by virtue of birth/family, discriminating rights to worship/read/write/even enter temples, suppressing women, engaging in superstitious & meaningless practices, and yea most importantly too pansy to protect themselves, the weak or their country !!

All of those who truly seek the truth in this matter should spend a few hours reading and researching from religionofpeace.com. There you will find clear proof that the Islamic murder and plunder of India over an approximately 400 year period resulted in more humans slain than in ALL of the other wars of mankind combined throughout history. See the article “Islamic Indian Slave Trade” down on the left side of the referenced website.
Islam is truly a vermin-infested, murderous, evil, Satanic political-religious system, and should be avoided by all of humanity. It would be highly preferable if Islam, in it’s totality, were expunged from the world!

“Trying to Create a Hindu Muslim Riot ?” I can assure you that NONE of us PROUD KAFIRS , works for pakistani ISI , Saudi Govt or ISIS , who fund terror and create assymetric riots where the perpetrators are moslems and victims are Non Moslems ( including Hindus Christians Jews Sikhs and more )

“I think instead of the negativity u r spreading, I dont think your intentions are good ?? are they ?”
YOU THINK and ASK …!! and WE KNOW AND money back GUARANTEE THAT THE intentions of islam ( & those who support its expansion and terror ) ARE MOST VILE AND SATANIC.
BTW. I DOUBT if that is your real name. Jane probably is someone that sounds like jemina or jabala or jannat.

I just want tell my friends, it was not hindu civilization the biggest victims of Islamic cruelty. There were people before us who subjected to islamic cruelty and now completely eliminated from there plce of origin. It was zorostrians or parsic. Millions dead, forced convert, fire temple destroyed, .
Roughly, todays shias are desecendent of those parsi people. Who still been prosecuted by sunnis.

I again reitrate that muslim history is filled with atrocities, torcher, arson, desecration and murders of non-muslim. Where is peace in Islam? This absurd notion. And the one who advocates this is suffering from mental problem.

i dont think “PAKCHOODA” is your real name either . yours is taken from a famous abusive term “b………”
it shows –
” YOU ARE A TYPE OF PERSONALITY WHO ALWAYS BLAMES OTHERS EVEN FOR HIS OWN MISTAKES, AND WRONG CHOICES . A TYPE OF PERSONALITY SUFFERING FROM OBSSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE DISORDER WHO GOES HYSTERICAL OVER ANYTHING WHICH DOESNOT GOES ACCORDING TO HIS WISH , SO I KNOW IT WHATEVER FACTS I TELL YOU AND WHATEVER POSITIVE SIDES I SHOW YOU ;YOU WONT EVER LISTEN BECAUSE U R NOT NORMAL …
SO I JUST ASK U DEAR , “WHAT’S THAT INCIDENT WHICH HAS CAUSED SO MUCH OF TURMOIL INSIDE YOU AGAINST ISLAM ? (I knw there is something may b u wont tell and use your abusive language once again but there is something )”

I hope the WRATH of Mother KALI the HINDU GODDESS UNLEASHES ON YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF PARASITES , AND LEECHES . I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT PPL LIKE YOU & YOUR COMMUNITIES TO BE EXTERMINATED BY GODESS KALI. YOU HAVE INSULTED GODESS KALI …. NOW YOU AND YOUR PPL WILL PAY THE PRICE . AND WHEN YOU PAY THE PRICE …YOUR PEDOPHILE PROHPHET WONT BE THERE TO BAIL YOU OUT. WATCH WHAT HAPPENS.

YOUR COMMUNITY IS A C-A-N-C-E-R TO SOCIETY. YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF PARASITES , AND LEECHES . THERE ARE SO MANY HOMLESS AND STARVING PPL IN AMERICA, EUROPE AND ALL OVER THE NON MOSLEM WORLD BECAUSE YOU BASTARDS KEEP REPRODUCING LIKE ROACHES AND ANTS.
WHEN YOU BEND DOWN IN YOUR PRAYERS CALL ME ZUBIAR SO I CAN SHOVE A BURNING 100″F ROD UP YOUR SICK GREEN AND WHITE FLAG, ASS.
IF YOU HAVE THE FUCKING GUTS …. POST YOUR TEL # HERE AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS. ……. COME ON .. I AM CHALLENING YOU . ..AND YOUR “MADARCHAUTH….BHOSDA …..SURRR NICHEY GAAND UPAR MOHAMMED PAIGOOMBAR BASTARD” … ( courtesy my indian cube-mate.Excuse the spelling typos )

zubair pervert khan…
I GOT NEWS FOR YOU…HERE IS THE PROOF . I COUNTED 60 SECS FROM THE TIME I STARTED THIS POST.
IN 60 S I CAN COLLECT ALL THIS PROOF . IMAGINE WHAT MORE PROOF IS EXISTS IN THIS WORLD …..TO CONVICT YOUR PEDOPHILE BASTARD .

See, that’s the difference : Prophet would have forgiven you for this..
but instead u unleash all the god’s wrath upon that boy ZUBER..
God is too grown up for silliness like this , he knows it the best …
U better leave all this on someone who is more worthy than fighting over on these little fights over it..
AND ZUBER u shouldn’t have said it this way , I knw it was ur anger for disrespecting Prophet which i completely understand judging by ur loyality but if u r loyal to him u should know he never taught us to disrespect religion of other people , neither did he taught to kill any one ; whoever invaded India was not preaching ISLAM but disturbing the true message of this beautiful religion there were and are barbarians killing innocent people who are christians, hindus , even muslims they are not killing a single sect they are killing people – Innocent People .. and the muslims getting killed (in PAKISTAN , IRAQ And others)?? dont they belong to islam..
If a cult tries to kill people and uses some name it doesnt mean the religion is responsible…
U ARE AN EDUCATED INDIAN, WHO CAN THINK RATIONALLY , I ALREADY HAVE TOLD U ITS NOT A RELIGION (u can understand the true message your religion is giving because u were born in it u studied u came to know people, u were told stories of bravery by ur guardians, and similarly I understand mine better; sodont come and judge dear there are still a lot of people out there strictly following islam who havent kill a fly ,killing animals and innocents is an impossibility, ;(N.B- i would be welcomed by a lot of abuse but this is something u should just know )

I tired to reply a few times in past. Funny my comment would not go through cos I had link ? But I just dont like taking a punch when It’s not mine. So here’s your reply.
“that boy ZUBER..
God is too grown up for silliness like this , he knows it the best ”

JANE OR JAMILA , ZUBIAR IS NOT A BOY , AS EVAULATED BY THE NON MOSLEM WORLD. I mean if you cna consider a 70yr old
man worthy of a 9 yr girl , I guess that zubair is a good boy for your 5 yr old girl .
It quite surprising how “Moslems criminals” who perform horrific acts of murder get considered as “little boys” and
spared ( esp in passively islamic nations like india )
The girl Nirbhaya was gang raped by 4 men. The moslem boy BTW ( a look alike of Zubair MURDERED the poor non moslem girl so badly that her intestines came off her vagina – no exaggeration. ). RIght now he is living under an adolescent shelter – free food courtesy congress govt.
PROOF :
GOOGLE “juvenile-in-delhi-gangrape-and-murder-case-pleads-not-guilty-to-charges-8515369.html” and Independent.co.uk

i dont think “PAKCHOODA” is your real name either . yours is taken from a famous abusive term “b………””
NOPE that name Means one who believes in the destruction of pakistan ( & other similar nations like Saudi etc)
It has nothing to do with B_____” . By the way did you forget ZAINAB….that SURELY W. DOCUMENTATION makes mr Mohammed …
husband of baby aisha …..a “D-in-law_________”…I don’t have to allege. These are VALID ACCUSATIONS AGAINST MR MOHAMMED.

” YOU ARE A TYPE OF PERSON….”
I dont sit here 24/7 on the internet Jane . i have other things to do . Yes there are incidents in not just MY LIFE but in the life
of million others that make us SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR PERVERTED PROPHET.
READ THIS TO UNDERSTAND WHY
– Wikipedia – Islam_and_war
– Wikipedia – Islamist_terrorist_attacks
“” YOU ARE A TYPE OF PERSONALITY WHO ALWAYS BLAMES OTHERS EVEN FOR HIS OWN MISTAKES, AND WRONG CHOICES . A TYPE OF PERSONALITY SUFFERING FROM OBSSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE DISORDER WHO GOES HYSTERICAL OVER ANYTHING WHICH DOESNOT GOES ACCORDING TO HIS WISH”

….so its not personally what I am “so called hysterical OCD.”…I am not diagnosed with any of these ailments.

BUT this description fits someone VERY CLOSE TO YOU OR MAYBE YOUR ALTER PERSONALITY . I KNOW FOR SURE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT AURENZEB , BARBAR AND MOHAMMED WERE IN PERSONALITY. GO READ THE “NON MOSLEM” FACTUAL VERSION OF THEIR LIVES.

@Jane again part 2 .
SUMMARY – MS JAMILA AKA JANE
THIS IS MY REPLY TO YOUR APPAREENTLY TOLERANT REPLIES.
In claiming islam is not all this vile stuff….ITS LIKE YOU ARE PUTTING AN INNOCENT MASK OF A PANDA ON THE
FACE OF AN UGLY CROCODILE…AND IT FITS TO BADLY ..WE CAN SEE THE CROCODILE WANTING TO KILL BEHIND THE INNOCENT MASK.

YOU ARE PLAYING BY WELL KNOWN TENANT OF ISLAM CALLED TAQUIA ( link above).
ZUABIR GAVE A POISON COATED POISON BULLET and YOU ARE GIVING US A SUGAR COATED POISON BULLET.
YOU CANNOT EXONERATE YOURSELF FROM THE CRIMES PPL HAVE COMMITED AS MOSLEMS BY CLAIMING THIS IS NOT REALLY ISLAM. IT’S LIKE DENYING THE
HOLOCAUST. SAYING THAT NAZISM WAS MISINTERPRETED – IT NEVER MEANT ANY HARM TO ANY BREED OF PEOPLE.
IF 95% OF PEOPLE WHO CLAIM ARE MOSLEMS GO OUT WITH SWORDS, KNIVES AND GUNS AND FOR THE SPREAD OF ISLAM- MURDER, RAPE , TORTURE
, CHEAT , PLUNDER , LOOT AND ARSON AND MAYBE THERE IS A 5% MINORITY THAT POSSIBLY MAY NOT WANT TO DO THAT- WE WILL
UNDERSTAND ISLAM AS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THE 95% HAS DONE AND NOT WHAT THE 5% DID NOT ( READ again if you don’t follow).
“YOU ARE WHAT YOU AND YOUR PPL DO MOST TIMES” . IF MOST TIMES MUSLIMS ARE LIKE ZUBAIR WANTING TO KILL MAIM MURDER TORTURE AND SPREAD THEIR RELIGIOUS PIGGERY ALL OVER THE WORLD. THEN MOSLEMS FOR THE MOST ARE EVIL PIGS.
JANE OR JAMILA … YOU CANNOT UNDO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE NAME OF YOUR RELIGION ( AND IS STILL HAPPENING ) FOR MORE THAN 1000 YEARS to more than 100 cultures … Jews Christians Buddhists Bahais Hindus Parsis ..still counting.

The one good tact to remove Islam is from our land is to make people aware of its deed. The fault it made. The atrocityies it commited. The difference it made among people. The forever hatredness it sowed among muslims against kafirs.

One question to @zuber and @zane, once again.
Can you be more rational and repent for what your muslim forefather did?
Can you return those temple sites which were desecrated & destroyed by muslims and used as sites to build their own mosque?
In india there are such 1000 sites (mosque) .
Can you return Al-asqa masjid to jews? Will you allow to build jews temple once again?
Do you have rational mind to return hagia-sofia to its true owner christians?
Can you peacefully allow hindus to destroy gyanvyapi mosque and rebuild their temples own the site?
Will you people let us sack the mathhra janmbhoomi masjid?

@jane,Who said islam doesn’t teach killing, occupation, assassination, death sentence to innocents? I think you have very little knowledge about history of Islam.
Examples
1. Mass murder, Muhammads attack on banu qurezya tribe is well know. All male above 12 were slaughtered and body thrown in a big pit inside madeena bazar. The big message from islam to all near by tribes.
2. Assassination of Asma bint Marwan and abu afak and kaab ibn albashraf on muhammad’s direction.
3. attack on banu salim, banu talabah, banu muharib, banu qaynuca, banu sulaym and banu qurash.
4. Muslims attacked on israel why? Islamist attack on persians why? Islamist attacked on egypt why? Islamic teachers like caliphs were actually invaders like muhammad and followed same principle of loot after his death.
5. Caliph sent at least 4 military expedition to india on record. But he did not get much success so later caliphs hand over this problems to their Amirs. Who were muslim feudal warlords. They actually spread Isaam to new horizons

That’s the way of follower of pedophile Mohammad, shows your mentality & what your religion teaches you. You can get fucked by your Mohammad who fucked even children the same way Mohammad got fucked by Allah.

“that boy ZUBER..
God is too grown up for silliness like this , he knows it the best ”
Jane Or Jamila Zubiar Is Not A Boy , As Evaluated By The Non Moslem World. I mean if you cna consider a 70yr old
man worthy of a 9 yr girl , I guess that zubair is a good boy for your 5 yr old girl .
It quite surprising how “Moslems criminals” who perform horrific acts of murder get considered as “little boys” and
spared ( esp in passively islamic nations like india )http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/juvenile-in-delhi-gangrape-and-murder-case-pleads-not-guilty-to-charges-8515369.html
“i dont think “PAKCHOODA” is your real name either . yours is taken from a famous abusive term “b………””
NOPE PAKCHOODA Means one who believes in the destruction of pakistan ( & other similar nations like Saudi etc)
It has nothing to do with B_____” . By the way did you forget ZAINAB….that SURELY W. DOCUMENTATION makes mr mohammed …
husband of baby aisha …..a “D-in-law_________”…I don’t have to allege. These are VALID ACCUSATIONS AGAINST MR MOHAMMED.
” YOU ARE A TYPE OF PERSON….”
I dont sit here 24/7 on the internet Jane . i have other things to do . Yes there are incidents in not just MY LIFE but in the life
of million others that make us sick and tired of your perverted prophet.
read this to undertand whyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_war
and this toohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
“” YOU ARE A TYPE OF PERSONALITY WHO ALWAYS BLAMES OTHERS EVEN FOR HIS OWN MISTAKES, AND WRONG CHOICES . A TYPE OF PERSONALITY SUFFERING FROM OBSSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE DISORDER WHO GOES HYSTERICAL OVER ANYTHING WHICH DOESNOT GOES ACCORDING TO HIS WISH”
….so its not personally what I am “so called hysterical OCD.”…I am not diagnosed with any of these ailments.
but this description fits someone very close to you or maybe your alter personality . i know for sure this is exactly what AURANGZEB , BARBAR AND MOHAMMED were in personality. go read the “non moslem” factual version of their lives.
SUMMARY – MS JAMILA AKA JANE
this is my reply to your apparently tolerant replies.
in claiming islam is not all this vile stuff….its like you are putting an innocent mask of a panda on the
face of an ugly crocodile…and it fits to badly ..we can see the crocodile wanting to kill behind the innocent mask.
you are playing by well known tenant of islam called taquia ( link above).
zuabir gave a poison coated poison bullet and you are giving us a sugar coated poison bullet.
you cannot exonerate yourself from the crimes ppl have committed as moslems by claiming this is not really islam. it’s like denying the
holocaust. saying that nazism was misinterpreted – it never meant any harm to any breed of people.
if 95% of people who claim are moslems go out with swords, knives and guns and for the spread of islam- murder, rape , torture
, cheat , plunder , loot and arson and maybe there is a 5% minority that possibly may not want to do that- we will
understand islam as representative of what the 95% has done and not what the 5% did not ( read again if you don’t follow).
“you are what you and your ppl do most times” . if most times moslems are like zubair wanting to kill maim murder torture and spread their religious piggery all over the world. then moslems for the most are evil pigs.
jane or jamila … you cannot undo what happened in the name of your religion ( and is still happening ) for more than 1000 years

In other words …
SIKHS are NOT HINDUS ..GO DO YOUR home work. What is the REASON WHY SIKHISM WAS BORN ? WHO MURDERED ALL YOUR GURUS ? WHICH RELIGION DID INDIRA RANDEE BELONG TO ( Let me answer that here. SHE MARRIED A MOSLEM BTW AND FUCKED 2 MOSLEMS “OFFICIALLY” . ONE was Ragiv’s Pop and other was Sanjay’s pop. AND THEY DID NOT have the same father ).
YOU PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TICKED BY PAKIS AND OTHER SPONSORS IN CANADA. TOO MUCH FREEDOM AND LOT OF FOOLHARDINESS.
SaradarBhai – If YOUR BRAINS were as big as your Turban…You would not be asking this Q.
Another thing..
Reasoning 1 .WE ARE MAD BECAUSE We are showing Atrocities on Sikhs by moslems and we should NOT BE LETTING THE WORLD KNOW THIS. IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR PAKISTANI HANDLERS DON’T LIKE SEEING THE TRUTH OF HOW THEY RAPED YOUR GRANDMOTHERS AND MASS MURDERED YOUR GURUS…because “we are in good terms !” …YEAH NOW I GET IT .
Reasoning 2 SO SIKH ATROCITIES CANNOT be shown because if this kind of thing happened to “so called NON SIKHS” ( & I Know you very much like to include Hindus )…it is ok…..

NOW LET ME TELL YOU ANOTHER TRUTH SARDARBHAI….. 60 YRS AGO …. WHEN SIKHS BROTHERS , FOUGHT Shoulder to Shoulder with all other NON MOSLEMS … and beat the hell out of pakis..THAT IS WHEN YOU WORE THE STEEL BRACLET “KADA” ….. today you people have sold yourself to Pakistani Handlers ( facilitated by what RAND Indira did to you but that BHOSDI BITCH WAS A MOSLEM ..using a Hindu… & she was a REAL BITCH..not Bitched natured. At the age was 16 she was caught naked sleeping with a tutor and KICKED OUT OF TAGORE’S SHANTINIKETAN and after that she started her fucking journey and by the time she had the 1st white hair ( on the scalp not between the legs ) ….she overtook the number of men she slept with compared to her BASTARD father Nehru ) )
….SO COMING TO TODAY.. BECAUSE OF what islam has done to you …. INSTEAD of Kada…YOU PPL ARE NOW WEARING “BANGLES” ( I have the ask the indian word to my cube-mate what it is called ) ….. ITS TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHO DID THIS ..TIME TO BRING BACK THE GREAT GURU GOBIND SINGH …. AND WEAR HIS KADA…. NOT BANGLES.

While watching a BBC documentry on Partition of India, I saw an interview of an elderly aged Sikh man. I, literlly start weeping remembering that night before partition. The muslim party raided his village because of one muslim traiter family in his village. All the elder sikh men decide to hide under the godown with their family. While defending when they realized defeat was inevitable. They murdered their own daughters and sister because of fear that muslim will rape their daughters and sisters,wives. This was really painful for him to speak, his throat was choaked and tear coming out on his cheeks.
Muslims are really nasty piece, ever created in humanity. Quraan and muhammad is a black spot on human kind. We altogether should take oath to eliminate this worldwide evil.

THATS RIGHT NEVER FORGIVE AND NEVER FORGET .
SHOW THE FILM OF ISLAMIC CARNAGE TO ALL YOUR DAUGHTERS AND FEMALE COUSINS ..WHEN THEY ARE JUST 10 YRS OLD. LET THEM SEE THE BLOOD THAT CAME OUT SO WHEN THEY GROW UP ….. THEY DON’T END UP MARRYING A PAKI OR ANY OTHER MOSLEM.
You are saying this because your family ACTUALLY SUFFERED.But to be OPEN and HONEST , A lot of North Indians have COMPROMISED WITH ISLAM FOR THEIR GREED ( money and power ). INDIA IS STILL LIVING UNDER SHADOW MOGHUL RULE.
AND THEY NOW ATTACK THEIR OWN RELIGION ACTING AS PIMPS FOR ISLAM.
TAKE A LOOK AT ROMILA THAPAR’S MANIPULATION OF HISTORY of India , THEN THERE IS KARAN THAPAR. DIGVIJAY SINGH RAHUL’S LITTLE DICK WHO TALKS ON HIS BEHALF. THEN THERE IS A BIG TIME PIMP KAPOOR FAMILY. FROM RAJ KAPOOR WHO DEMORALIZED HINDU SOCIETY ..TO THIS NEPHEW RISHI KAPOOR
WHO, AFTER HE PLAYED THE ROLE OF DAWOOD , NOW WEARS PHATAAN DRESS AND TWEETS ABOUT HIS FREEDOM TO EAT BEEF ( says he is a beef eating hindu )
where can this list end ? I SEE THIS GRADUAL COMPROMISE WITH ISLAM HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR THOSE PPL WHO EARLIER FOUGHT IT NOW STANDING WITH IT IN PEACE BECAUSE INTERNATIONALLY THERE IS NO ONE TO BACK THE HINDUS. WE HAVE TO USE OUR OWN FINANCE TO BACK OURSELVES OR ELSE IN NEXT 20 YRS INDIA WILL BE AN ISLAMIC PARASITE WITH NUKE WEAPONS.
THE SAME KIND OF COMPROMISE IS HAPPENING WITH MARATHI PPL- BAL THACKERAY WAS THE ANTI MUSLIM WHIP -all MARATHA united against PISSLSAM ..AND NOW HIS NEPHEW RAJ THACKERAY IS GETTING MONEY INDIRECTLY FROM D-COMPANY TO SPLIT THE MARATHI VOTE BY DIVERTING THE POLITICAL ATTACK GUN AGAINST NORTH INDIANS INSTEAD OF MOSLEMS. NORTH INDIANS FROM UP ARE ALSO HINDUS ( many of them WEAK Hindus , because they have been terribly exploited in their own land – so there is no time to think about religion vs survival ). THIS CREATES MORE DIVISION WITHIN THE HINDU FOLD.
The PICTURE IS VERY BLEAK. ONE THING THAT COMES OUT CLEAR IS THAT CHRISTIAN JEWS AND HINDUS AND OTHER NON MOSLEM RELIGION NEED EACH OTHER VERY BADLY IN TOTALLY ELIMINATING ISLAM AND IN THAT RESPECT IT IS OK TO HAVE A CHRISTIAN OR JEWISH STATE IN INDIA AND JOIN HANDS WITH ALL THOSE WHO ARE FIGHTING AGAINST ISLAM.

@pakichoda, thanks for your advice. I am taking everyc caution to ensure secrecy of my true identity. I know islamic mentality. Since, Islam is an inbuilt extreamist cult practise, any of muslim can stand to kill us kafirs. One doesn’t need any extra urge to be charged for religious killing. Quraan is enough. Quraan is a book which motivates for constant hatred to non-believers. Surprisingly, it works same for me as it does to rival jihadis. You don’t need any other texts to get charged against islamist. read quraan as non-believer and your heart will be filled with hatred for muslims.
What an evil creation of muhammad.

Apparently king singh does not know any thing about Sikhism. Revered Guru Nanak Dev (not Nanak Singh) founded Sikhism. His followers were mostly Hindus and some Muslims too. His closest aid was Shri Mardana, a Muslim. They all followed Sikhism whether turbaned or not. This continued upto the 9th Guru, i. e, Revered Guru Teg Bahadurji. However by then the atrocities of the Islamic Rulers reached its nadir. And to save both Hindus and Sikhs the revered 10th and last Guru Govind Singh ji created the Khalsa panth from amongst his followers, prescribed a code of 5 Ks viz Kachch, Kesh,Kada,Katar and Kangha for Khalsa who were supposed to be battle ready at all times since the encounters could take place at any time. However as days passed the Khalsas who were worriers and were thus were having more influence started claiming that only Khalsas are Sikhs and others are not, which to my mind does not appear to be correct. There are many followers of Sikhism who are not Khalsas. These photographs are of the period between Guru Nanak Dev ji and Guru Govind Singh ji. As regards their turbans all the people in those days used to wear a turban whether Hindu Sikh or Muslims though the styles change slightly. In fact most of the Hindu families used to give their eldest son to the Khalsa panth and even today there are numerous families which have both Hindu and Sikhs as biological brothers and sisters.
It can’t be denied that for this country the Sikhs have sacrificed maximum as compared to any other community and it is they who have been in the forefront of all wars and battles.

I am reading more and more on facts and incidents of islamic torchers and murders in history. I have found a religious pattern in islamic warfare. After winning jihadi war against kafirs it was very common practise of muslims to behead their kafir rivals publically on the name of Allah and declaring themselves GHAZI.
There are innumerable cases from crusade period. Cases from India. Seize of chittor, battle of talikota, seize of sind, tipu invasion in kerala. Malik kafur expedition.
By keeping this pattern in mind there is quite a probability that our last hindu ruler of delhi. Shri pritivi raj chauhan was also murdered in Islamic ritual by slitting the throat. If it is true then this very embarrasing for us hindus.

Another fact I observed, before salauddin ayyubi (saladin) took over egypt. Which was shia dominant nation (arch rival) of sunni was filled with shia followers in the year 1130. Now if see the demography we find 92% people are sunni. What does it say? How come all shias eliminated from egypt. I guess there is another big holocaust hidden in the abyss of history.

To ALL MY FELLOW KAFIRS …… ONE QUESTION INTRIGUED ME.
CAN YOU ALL SEE THE SIZE DIFFERENCE here….

OR HERE…..

SO MY Q IS …IF SHE WAS JUST 9 AND HE WAS 60 YRS …HOW COULD THEY 69 WITH SUCH A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE SIZE.
LETS YOUR IMAGINATION ..RUN .Lets make this comment board
juicy and interesting folks . Reply with your thoughts.

PL CORRECT MY EARLIER SCRIPT. I TOOK HARLEM SYN WITH RED LIGHT . THAT IS A MISTAKE & I STAND CORRECTED. WHAT I MEANT WAS FUCKING A WHORE. AND I MEANT NO DIS-RESPECT FOR ANY PLACE IN US OR EUROPE, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. MY SINCERE SORRIES !!!

MOSLEMS ( ex kafirs ) .. What about ANIMALS…… holy fuck …?

MOHAMMED : FEEL FREE TO KILL THEM AND HAVE SEX WITH THEM. ALL OF THEM EXCEPT PIGS.
AND HERE IS A EXAMPLE OF DOING THE LITTLE BEAST , IF YOU CAN’T FIND SOMONE BETTER IN THE TENT

YOU CAN DO THIS , KILL IT FOR WATER, BLOOD AND EVEN DRINK ITS URINE.

EVERYTHING EXCEPT PIGS

MOSLEMS ( ex kafirs ) : why not pigs ?

MOHAMMED : PIGS ARE OUR FOREFATHERS AND HOLY ANIMALS

AFTER WE PLUNDERED A VILLAGE AND RAPED ITS PPL AND DESTROYED THEIR HOUSES. HOW DO DOES OUR FACE LOOK ? COVERED WITH BLOOD ALL AROUND OUR LIPS EYES AND NOSES…NOW COMPARE THAT TO A PIG…. WHO COMES OUT ITS STY , AFTER BATHING IN DIRTY SLUDGE …HOW DOES IT LOOK ? JUST LIKE HOW WE LOOK….THAT IS WHY …WE ARE RELATED TO PIGS …AND WE CAN’T HURT PIGS ….. WE ARE PIGS . MY DEAR BROTHERS

@Aamir : Why Krishna ? Even Lord Jesus is mentioned and so is Lord Moses by Mohammed because Mr Mohammed was a very shrewd POLITICIAN and OPPORTUNIST and these are NOT DEROGATORY to MR MOHAMMED BUT VERY MODEST ON HIS CHARACTER ( BECAUSE A RAPIST AND PEDOPHILE will feel very vindicated when he is portrayed as something less severe ….Oh WOW !!! SO I AM NOT A RAPIST, ARSONIST AND PEDOPHILE ? YU HOO….sorry Mr Mohammed you are that + this ) .
Coming to MR MOHAMMED …..was a very shrewd POLITICIAN and OPPORTUNIST. HE REALLY WANTED MORE “CLIENTS” TO COME INTO THIS “ISLAM SHOP” ….AND CRITICIZING OTHER RELIGIONS , WILL MAKE HIS SHOP LOOK BAD. HE REALLY HAD TO OPEN THE DOORS TO THE “PORK SHOP OF ISLAM” TO EVERYONE .
SO HE SAID ….
“YEAH I KNOW JESUS …SO CHRISTIANS ARE CAN COME ( or they’ll be pushed ) ….YEAH I KNOW KRISHNA , BUDDHA, MOSES ( so all these ppl can also come…..)..BUT THESE GODLY SAINTS ARE GOOD….BUT NOT AS GOOD AS ME…BECAUSE I AM GETTING THESE MESSAGES FROM GABRIEL ( & acc to SIR SALMAN RUSDIE ..IT IS SATAN ) ” ..and then he continued…

Piecing UP ALL WHAT HAPPENED 1200 YEARS AGO. HERE IS A DIALOGUE BETWEEN MR MOHAMMED AND OTHER NON MOSLEMS RECORDED BY A TRAVELER WHO LIVED DURING THE TIME OF Mr Mohammed.

MOHAMMED : ….” LISTEN UP YOU ALL , NON MOSLEMS.. I AM GIVING YOU A BETTER DEAL THEN ALL RELIGIONS PUT TOGETHER “…..

KAFIRS : What kind of deal ?

MOHAMMED : I know just by looking at your shiny tungsten faces and gooatee beards that you ALL have been to HARLEMS FOR EXTRA PLEASURE …DON’T DENY IT BECAUSE THE ANGEL TOLD ME THIS ……

KAFIR : what has that got to do with you ?

MOHAMMED : WELL … NOW IF YOU BECOME MOSLEM ..AND become my clients I will let you Marry once again …… you can OFFICIALLY FUCK MORE THAN 1 WOMAN..UNLIKE CHRISTIANS JEWS etc ….

KAFIRS : Wow no one has made us this kind of proposition before. I always wanted to be in bed with the girl growing up next door…. Well Mohammed.. ..actually … ALL of us has fucked a harlem or a non wife woman….at some point of time…….so No thanks…we are leaving…..

MOHAMMED : NO WAIT…. I WILL DOUBLE THE DEAL… YOU CAN SLEEP WITH 2 MORE WOMEN OF your choice … NOW..COMING TO ISLAM .? YES OR NO ?

KAFIRS : Well … As we keep growing up our taste changes. …so when we are teens we like to fuck that next door woman 10 yrs older..as we grow older.. we are looking for YOUNG RIPE WOMEN.. JUST LIKE YOUR AISHA ….so I STILL NOT SO GOOD MOHAMMED we are leaving…..

MOHAMMED : NO WAIT…. HOW ABOUT IF I TRIPLE…. THE DEAL… NO NEED TO FEEL SHY FUCKING MORE THAN 1 WOMAN….. Now you can marry 3 MORE WOMEN OF YOUR CHOICE. JUST IN CASE YOU ARE 60-70 AND STILL FEEL HORNY…. YOU CAN GET IN BED. OFFICIALLY. NO FEAR OF SIN AND PUNISHMENT.
NOW..COMING TO ISLAM .? YES OR NO ?

KAFIRS : …that sounds intersting..those Christians / Hindus / Jews teach us Monogamy..and we FEEL SO GUILTY when we have sex with non wives woman….also our wives fight with us and ask explanation.

MOHAMMED : NO WORRIES . If you are my clients… I HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN AGREEMENT THAT WOMEN ARE PROPERTY MEANT FOR FULFILLMENT & LUST FOR THOSE WHO FIGHT FOR ALLAH’S MESSENGER …….SO WOMEN WILL NOT HAVE ANY RIGHTS ….. .

KAFIRS : SOUNDS EXITING ……I FEEL LIKE MASTURBATING HERE…..

MOHAMMED : HAA… SO THE JUICE FOR THE NEXT GIRL YOU WILL OFFICIALLY FUCK…. SO TELL ME …NOW..COMING TO ISLAM .? YES OR NO ?

KAFIRS : Well Mr Mohammed … sometimes we feel VERY JEALOUS OF NON MOSLEMS ESP JEWS ( BECAUSE they have become so RICH ) and these Jews are not that much fighting kind of ppl. They are business men and they have very good looking daughters… CAN WE PLUNDER THESE NON MOSLEMS USING SOME PRETEXT AND RAPE THEIR WOMAN. CHRISTIANITY TALKS ALL THIS BS ABOUT CONSCIENCE AND SIN .. ALL THIS SHIT.. WE JUST WANT TO MURDER, RAPE AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.. YOU KNOW….

MOHAMMED: For your pleasure … I HAVE ARRANGED THAT TOO. NOW YOU CAN MURDER MIAM TORTURE ( in the most perverted manner ) ALL THOSE WHO REFUSE TO BECOME ( PISS ) ISLAMIC …..
AND YES YOU CAN ALWAYS FUCK EVEN YOUNG CHILDREN.. LONG AS YOU GIVE THEM MINIMAL WAGE ..SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY PENSION… .
BASICALLY IN MY SHOP.. WOMEN ARE MEANT FOR YOUR PLEASURE… YOU CAN ENJOY THEM .

MOHAMMED :ALRIGHT MY GOATS … HERE IS THE OFFICIAL BOOK OF PERVERSION …ITS CALLED Q-RAND AKA QURAN AKA KORAN… (Whatever the fuck ..who cares ? ) ..EVERYTHING I PROMISED YOU IS RIGHT IN HERE ….. KEEP READING THIS 10 TIMES A DAYS WITH YOUR HEAD ROCKING LIKE A GOAT — BACK AND FORTH…

MOSLEMS ( ex kafirs ) : WHAT ELSE ?

MOHAMMED : BEND DOWN WITH YOUR ASSES . “ASS UP AND HEADS DOWN”. JUST IN CASE I FEEL LIKE NAUGHTY AND FEEL LIKE SHOVING A ROD UP YOUR ANUS …OR MY DICK ( If its available ) IN THERE . YOU DO THIS 4 – 5 TIMES A DAYS . I WANT TO SEE YOUR ASSES UP ( After fucking so many women Mohammed wanted a change .. with fucking men too.. that way he was “pretty progressive” in his attitude

MOSLEMS ( ex kafirs ) : ..& WHAT ELSE ?

MOHAMMED : YOU ARE NOW OFFICIALLY RELIGIOUS FUCKERS. YOU ARE USING MY RELIGION TO FUCK AROUND. SO I WANT YOU ALL TO TAKE A “FUCKING PLEDGE “…

MOSLEMS ( ex kafirs ) : ..& WHAT IS A “FUCKING PLEDGE “… ?

MOHAMMED: YOU WILL CHOP OF THE SKIN COVERING YOUR DICK. BECAUSE WITH ALL THE R AND FUCKING YOU WILL DO , REALLY….THERE WONT BE A NEED
GIVE YOUR DICK A BREAK AND RETRACT YOUR SKIN BACK. SO FELLOW MOSLEMS… MY FOLLOWERS… CHOP OF THE TOP SKIN OF YOUR DICKS AND SHOW IT TO ME NOW..AND YE SHALL KEEP DOING THIS TO ALL THAT ARE BORN TO YE.

MOSLEMS ( ex kafirs ) yeah ….here goes.

( FELLOW KAFIRS….HOW AM I DOING ON MY SCRIPT WRITING. DO FEEL FREE TO MAKE A FILM BASED ON THIS )

Yes truth can’t be suppressed. And Barbaric religion of peace can’t be hid behind cover for long. There is no peace in the Islam. The whole worldis watching, the problem is we are divided among secular and non-secular, seculars are watching but they just can’t sense it cause they have blind themselves for any religion.
Read quraanic most peaceful verse below.
Chapter (5) sūrat l-māidah (The Table spread with Food)

Sahih International: Because of that, We decreed upon the
Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

Pickthall: For that cause We decreed for the Children of
Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became
prodigals in the earth.

Yusuf Ali: On that account: We ordained for the Children
of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Shakir: For this reason did We prescribe to the children
of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

Muhammad Sarwar: For this reason, We made it a law for the
children of Israel that the killing of a person for reasons other than legal retaliation or for stopping corruption in the land is as great a sin as murdering all of mankind. However, to save a life would be as great a virtue as to save all of mankind. Our Messengers had come to them with clear authoritative evidence but many of them (Israelites) thereafter started doing wrong in the land.

Mohsin Khan: Because of that We ordained for the Children
of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins)
in the land!.

Sahih International: And those who disbelieved are allies of one another. If you do not do so, there will be fitnah on earth and great corruption.

Pickthall: And those who disbelieve are protectors one of
another – If ye do not so, there will be confusion in the land, and great corruption.

Yusuf Ali: The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another:
Unless ye do this, (protect each other), there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief.

Shakir: And (as for) those who disbelieve, some of them
are the guardians of others; if you will not do it, there will be in the land persecution and great mischief.

Muhammad Sarwar: The unbelievers are each other’s friends.
If you (the believers) do not keep the same among yourselves in the land, there will come into being widespread idolatry and great evil.

Mohsin Khan: And those who disbelieve are allies to one
another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so (i.e. become allies, as one united block with one Khalifah – chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world to make victorious Allah’s Religion of Islamic Monotheism), there will be Fitnah (wars, battles,polytheism, etc.) and oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism).

Arberry: As for the unbelievers, they are friends one of
another. Unless you do this, there will be persecution in the land and great corruption.

What your problem or question about these verses your interpretation of the verse may be different from mine so it better if you explicitly mention your view point… as we have notice it before also you interpret the thing in bit and pieces to give wrong sense

@abraham, for your information I did not interpret, I have pasted the links too from a islamic site with 7-8 different translations. What I did, I just combined two suras at one place. In sura 1 of al-maida Islams most peaceful verses are given which mentions whom a muslim can kill and whom not. This is clear indication that the verses are for Muslims to follow. And second verse explains who are the people from land of corruption. And it is legal for muslims to murder people from land of corruption. I guess actual arabic verse explains it better.

Mohsin Khan: And those who disbelieve are allies to one
another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so (i.e. become allies, as one united block with one Khalifah – chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world to make victorious Allah’s Religion of Islamic Monotheism), there will be Fitnah (wars, battles,polytheism, etc.) and oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism).

So, Hindus (polytheist) are corrupted people and our Country is land of corruption. And according to most peaceful verse of quraan we can be murdered, Inshallah, that is legal in Islam. And perhaps you (Indian Muslims) have got corrupted too cause you all are living in land of corruption too. This perhaps your fellow muslim think in islamic countries.

Just you just combine two different suras from two different contexts to make mean which you want to make… this is interpretation….

Also yes this sura al-maida talk about whom to kill and whom to not… but you again forgot the context when to kill and when not,. this sura also talk about that too. besides this Maida means agreement so this sura talk about an agreement between mohammad and the Qurash.. I agree you forget to mention that too…

Look at the verses, it clearly explains the meaning.
Do you want to suggest that when muhammad said non-belivers mashriks are friends of each other and together they bring corruption to the land was only confined to Arab? Do you mean muslims should not refrain from idol worshippers? Can they make friendship with non-believers and especially those who worship idols and polytheist? If so then I can deduct two things.

1. Islam is a regional religion should be confined to arabia.
2. If Islam teach love and peace among other religions then those Hindus who are living in arabic country should be allowed to build a splendid temple of idols.
I would be glad if we manage to build temple of Shri Ram in Makka.

Again, you are wrong…………… the sura means Chapter (5) sūrat l-māidah (The Table spread with Food).
It is does not mean agreement. It means the table spread with food.
And for your knowledge, muslim read quranic verses as universal words of god and whatever is written in quraan holdd good everywhere as per the book. So, if polytheist is an evil in Arabia in muhammadans era then polytheists in contemporary world are also evil as islamic ideology.

Their have been killings in islam on the name of kafir, mashriks, fitnah in past and same we are seeing in current world but the problem is, we non-muslims were not united or ignorant about these issues at that time. Now, when we are vigilant, we are so blind with this psuedo-secularism politics that we just have become apathatic.

ok so we are all sick….YEAH DON’T YOU KNOW… WE ARE ALL SICK ..BECAUSE WE ARE NOT HEALTHY LIKE THE 70 YR OLD HEALTHY BABY MOHAMMED , WHO HAD CUTE WHITE HAIR BETWEEN HIS TWO ARABIC BLK LEGS.. SO ACC TO YOU THERE SHOULD BE NO LAWS AGAINST PEDOHILA….THESE ARE PERVERTED LAWS AGAINST A HEALTHY SOCIETY. !!!!
IF I WERE TO SELL VIAGRA IN GULF… ( ESP TO THE 80 Y OLD SAUDI SHEIKS .LIKE THE LAST ONE WHO DIED QUITE A WONDERFUL DEATH AFTER FUCKING 50 WIVES …HE WENT INTO THE GUINESS BOOK FOR HAVING THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF WIVES ) .. WOULD YOU SUGGEST PUTTING THE PIC OF HEALTH BABY MOHAMMED ?

There are four major terrorist groups active in the Philippines today: The Moro National Liberation Front, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Abu Sayyaf and the New People’s Army. The first three are Islamic groups that operate primarily in the south of the nation, where most of the country’s Muslim minority live. The Communist New People’s Army operates in the northern Philippines.

Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF)
Emerging in the early 1970s, the MNLF sought an independent Islamic nation in the Filipino islands with sizeable Muslim populations. In 1996, the MNLF signed a peace agreement with Manila that created the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao (ARMM), an area composed of two mainland provinces and three island provinces in which the predominantly Muslim population enjoys a degree of self-rule. MNLF chairman and founder Nur Misuari was installed as the region’s governor but his rule ended in violence when he led a failed uprising against the Philippines government in November 2001. He is currently in jail and MNLF leader Parouk Hussin took over as ARMM governor in 2002. Nur Misuari reportedly still has a small band of followers who remain actively opposed to the current arrangement.

Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF)
The largest Islamic extremist group in the Philippines, the MILF split from the MNLF in 1977 and continues to wage war against Manila. Headed by Islamic cleric Salamat Hashim, the MILF seeks a separate Islamic state in the southern Philippines. Although it signed a peace agreement with Manila in 2001, MILF-sponsored violence has continued. Manila accuses the MILF of responsibility for the March 2003 Davao City airport bombing that killed 21 people, and for harboring members of the small militant Pentagon gang accused of kidnapping foreigners in recent years.

The MILF has an estimated strength of 12,000 members.

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) The smallest, most active and most violent Islamic separatist group in the southern Philippines, Abu Sayyaf (Bearer of the Sword) emerged in 1991 as a splinter group of the MNLF. Its founder, Abdurajik Abubakar Janjalani, was a veteran of the Islamic mujahideen movement in Afghanistan and was killed in a clash with Philippine police in 1998. ASG’s current head is thought to be Janjalani’s younger brother Khadafi Janjalani.

Abu Sayyaf engages in kidnappings, bombings, assassinations and extortion from businesses and wealthy businessmen. Most of its activities are centered in the southern island of Mindanao, but in recent years, the group has broadened its reach. In April 2000, ASG kidnapped 21 people,including 10 foreign tourists, from a resort in Malaysia and in a separate incident, abducted several foreign journalists and an American citizen. In May 2001, Abu Sayyaf kidnapped 20 people from a resort island in the Philippines and murdered several of the hostages, including American citizen Guillermo Sobero. In June 2002, U.S.-trained Philippine commandos tried to rescue three hostages being held by Abu Sayyaf on Basilan island.Two of the hostages, including American citizen Martin Burnham, were killed in the resulting shootout. Philippine authorities believe that the ASG had a role in the October 2002 bombing near a Philippine military base in Zamboanga that killed three Filipinos and a U.S. serviceman.

In February 2004, Abu Sayyaf claimed responsibility for a Philippine ferry fire, but at this writing, Philippine authorities doubted the claim.

The group finances its operations primarily through robbery, piracy and ransom kidnappings. Both the MNLF and MILF condemn Abu Sayyaf’s activities. Philippine forces have apprehended a number of Abu Sayyaf terrorists. Most recently, in December 2003, Philippine soldiers captured senior Abu Sayyaf commander Ghalib Andang, a.k.a. Commander Robot. Andang is suspected of involvement in the April 2000 kidnapping of Western tourists in Malaysia.

Today, Abu Sayyaf is composed of several semi-autonomous factions with an estimated cadre of several hundred active fighters and about 1,000 supporters.

New People’s Army (NPA)

The NPA is the military wing of the Communist People’s Party of the Philippines (CPP). Founded in 1969 with the aim of overthrowing the Philippines government through guerrilla warfare, the NPA strongly opposes the U.S. military presence in the Philippines and publicly expressed its intent to target U.S. personnel in the Philippines in January 2002, warning that any American troops who enter their stronghold areas will be considered “legitimate targets.” The NPA primarily targets Philippine security forces, politicians, judges, government informers and former NPA rebels. The NPA’s founder, Jose Maria Sison, lives in self-imposed exile in the Netherlands and reportedly directs operations from there.

Manila is committed to a negotiated peace settlement with the NPA but peace talks between the CPP and the Philippine government stalled in June 2001, after the NPA admitted killing a Filipino congressman. In September 2002, the NPA claimed responsibility for assassinating a mayor, attacking a police station and killing the police chief, and blowing up a mobile telecommunications transmission station.

The NPA derives most of its funding from supporters in the Philippines and Europe and from so-called revolutionary taxes extorted from local businesses. Together, the CPP/NPA has an estimated strength of over 10,000 members. have links with international terrorism, particularly with Jemaah Islamiyah and Al Qaeda. The MILF is suspected of training JI members at MILF training camps in the southern Philippines.

It is suspected that early funding and organizational support of Abu Sayyaf was provided by Osama Bin Laden associate and brother-in- law Muhammad Jamal Khalifa. In 1997, the U.S. State Department designated Abu Sayyaf a foreign terrorist organization.

In January 2002, Filipino police arrested Indonesian Islamic extremist Fathur Rohman Al-Ghozi, 31, a self-confessed member of Jemaah Islamiyah and an Al Qaeda explosives expert. Following his arrest, Ghozi led Filipino authorities to a large cache of arms and explosives in Mindanao and told a Filipino court that he planned to use the explosives for jihad attacks in Asia. He was sentenced to 17 years in prison. In July 2003, Al-Ghozi escaped from prison and in October 2003, Philippine forces tracked him down and killed him. In November 2003, the Philippines arrested Taufik Rifki, who reportedly admitted he was the financier for a Jemaah Islamiyah training camp in the southern Philippines.

Most recently, in February 2004, Filipino Jaybe Ofrasio, 31, was arrested in Belfast,Northern Ireland, and charged with funneling money to JI.

The U.S. designated the CPP/NPA a foreign terrorist organization in August 2002, and listed NPA founder Jose Maria Sison as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist (SDGT). Authorities in the Netherlands froze assets in his bank accounts there and cut off his social benefits.

The biggest sin is killing and Muhammad was number one in that, I don’t get the Idea who game him authority to kill humans. and take their womans as booty.
This sick Guy had not only killed humanity but open the doors for his follower by setting these evil examples to kill non-believers through out humanity.
The message is direct, It was not for defending it was for genocide. that too OPENLY.
You always wage a war because you are in impression that the other party may attack on you. This is philia you always have when you begin a war.
When God wants to punish someone he will simply punish him why whould he give punishment by Muhammad?
How come he gave right to men to have 4 wives and multiple women slaves while on the other hand a woman can’t have more than one husband and no men slave.
He was so lecherous that he not only had more than 4 wives but he also had sexual relation with multiple slaves.
You can purchase a woman from market for sexual slavery what a disgusting idea Muhammad.
Any muslim can’t deny the fact that he had not killed human in his conquest of non-believers.
He ordered his fellow muslims to amputate those who stole his camels, what a barbaric act.

THE CRIMES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD

Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs.

What is important to understand is that none of these depraved, criminal acts are crimes to Muslims. They are all holy, divine acts to be emulated by all Muslim men. They are all Sunna [The traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims].

Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and thigh with Baby Aisha taking his penis and rubbing it up and down her thighs. Being a man of mercy he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.

Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts can have been altered to change the age. Koranic texts claim he married her when she was six and he may have consummated the marriage then as well. Reason for this being that other indications in the Hadith shows that Mohammed was a pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.
Read more on https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/islam-the-crimes-of-prophet-mohammed/
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IV. MUHAMMAD: THE BAD

Yet Muslims tend to focus solely on the good characteristics of their prophet, and to completely ignore less admirable qualities. We have already seen that Muhammad began robbing caravans after leaving Mecca. As a result,greed soon became one of the primary factors in people’s rapid conversion to Islam. Indeed, Muhammad deliberately used the spoils of war to lure people to Islam. When he was criticized for the way he distributed his newfound wealth, he replied, “Are you disturbed in mind because of the good things of this life by which I win over a people that they may become Muslims while I entrust you to your Islam?”iv

Although Muhammad patiently endured persecution in Mecca, his attitude quickly changed when his numbers grew in Medina. Soon he would tolerate no criticism whatsoever. According to our earliest biographical source, a man named Abu Afak—who was more than a hundred years old—wrote a poem criticizing people for converting to Islam. Muhammad demanded he be killed, and Abu Afak was murdered in his sleep. When a woman named Asma heard that Muslims had killed such an elderly man, she wrote a poem calling for people to take a stand against Islam.Ibn Ishaq relates what happened next:

When the apostle heard what she had said he said, “Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?” Umayr bin Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he said, “You have helped God and His apostle, O Umayr!” When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, “Two goats won’t butt their heads about her,” so Umayr went back to his people.v

Muhammad’s violence was directed towards groups as well. Muhammad once said to his followers, “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims.”viThe Jews of Qurayza resisted Muhammad and attempted to form an alliance against him. When the alliance faltered, Muhammad acted quickly. His armies surrounded them and “besieged them for twenty-five nights until they were sore pressed and God cast terror into their hearts.”

Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina. . . . Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. . . . There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.vii

Every male who had reached puberty was killed. Muhammad divided the women, children, and property among his men (taking a fifth of the spoils for himself).

V. MUHAMMAD: THE UGLY

But things get worse.As the Muslim armies raided town after town, they captured many women, who would often be sold or traded. Yet, since the Muslim men were a long way from their wives, they needed wisdom from Allah to guide them in their treatment of their female captives. It wasn’t long before Muhammad received a revelation allowing the soldiers to sleep with the women:

Allah’s Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: “And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)” (i.e. they were lawful for them when their ‘Idda period came to an end).viii

This verse of the Qur’an (4:24), along with others (23:1-6; 33:50; 70:22-30), granted Muslims the right to have sex with their female captives and slave girls, even those who were still married or who were going to be sold or traded.

Perhaps most disturbing of all is the fact that Muslims could have sex with girls who hadn’t even reached puberty. The opening verses of Chapter 65 of the Qur’an present Islamic rules for divorce. According to 65:4, if a Muslim divorces a girl who hasn’t yet reached puberty, he must wait three months to make sure she isn’t pregnant.

Muhammad himself had sex with a prepubescent girl. His courtship of Aisha began when she was only six years old.ix Muhammad had a dream about her, which led him to believe that God wanted him to marry the young girl.x Fortunately, Muhammad waited three years before having sex with her; nevertheless, Muslim sources report that Aisha still hadn’t reached puberty.xi Since Muhammad is the moral exemplar in Islam, his actions are still affecting young girls today.

those that aren’t. Muslims believe that Muhammad was morally perfect, and that an examination of his life will prove that he was a prophet. The evidence, however, shows that Muhammad was far from morally perfect, and that there’s no good reason to believe that he was sent by God. There is a world of difference, then, between the Muhammad of history and the Muhammad of faith.

We may contrast this with the Historical Jesus. Christians believe that Jesus was a miracle worker, who claimed to be divine, died on the cross, and rose from the dead. A careful historical investigation confirms all of these beliefs. Thus, while Christians have absolutely nothing to fear from an examination of early historical sources, history is a huge problem for Islam.

Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs.
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you have just mention the general statement if you have proof why you afraid of giving specific examples… let take a case and discuss by you afraid in coming forward and talk…

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Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and thigh with Baby Aisha taking his penis and rubbing it up and down her thighs. Being a man of mercy he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.

Again general comment … no reference no proof of any thing… just things created by your mind or sick minded people ….

If you have question of about any even quote event the reference … I am here to answer and step or any event Mohammad (as) has taken

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V. MUHAMMAD: THE UGLY

“And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)” (i.e. they were lawful for them when their ‘Idda period came to an end).viii

This verse of the Qur’an (4:24), along with others (23:1-6; 33:50; 70:22-30), granted Muslims the right to have sex with their female captives and slave girls, even those who were still married or who were going to be sold or traded.
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I had answered this question before also … I don;t know why you repeating the same question at difference place if you are clear with answer reply at the same point…

Btw the answer is at the same point where you pick just one verse .. just the read the verse preceding and following this verse you will understand these verse talk about the girls a man can marriage and its the beauty of islam that it give equal right to slave girl to get married…

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Perhaps most disturbing of all is the fact that Muslims could have sex with girls who hadn’t even reached puberty. The opening verses of Chapter 65 of the Qur’an present Islamic rules for divorce. According to 65:4, if a Muslim divorces a girl who hasn’t yet reached puberty, he must wait three months to make sure she isn’t pregnant.

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I had answer this part too.. bt I don;t know why this time you were afriad to even quote the actual verse… just read the actual verse you will understand what it means…………..

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those that aren’t. Muslims believe that Muhammad was morally perfect, and that an examination of his life will prove that he was a prophet. The evidence, however, shows that Muhammad was far from morally perfect, and that there’s no good reason to believe that he was sent by God. There is a world of difference, then, between the Muhammad of history and the Muhammad of faith.

We may contrast this with the Historical Jesus. Christians believe that Jesus was a miracle worker, who claimed to be divine, died on the cross, and rose from the dead. A careful historical investigation confirms all of these beliefs. Thus, while Christians have absolutely nothing to fear from an examination of early historical sources, history is a huge problem for Islam.

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come u with any religion and any branch of science and history islam will be most logical religion of this time………………………

its my religion you want to debate on science, history, social science, any thing…

Verses 5:45-48 of the Qur’an affirm the Old Testament rule of “an eye for an eye,” but also add the Christian principle that forgiveness is more noble than retaliation. If ever there was proof that these words do not necessarily apply to the treatment of non-Muslims, however, it is in Muhammad’s conduct toward the Jews in general and the Qurayza tribe in particular.

Muhammad and his band of immigrants arrived in Medina in 622 completely dependent on the hospitality of the three Jewish tribes that lived there alongside the Arabs. In less than two years, two of the tribes that had welcomed him, the Banu Qaynuqa and the Banu Nadir would be evicted, losing their land and their wealth to the Muslims as soon as their guests gained the power to conquer and confiscate. Muhammad accomplished this by deftly exploiting his opponents divisions.

The prophet of Islam chose the order of the doomed tribes carefully. He knew that the other two tribes would not come to the assistance of the first, for example, since they had been aligned against one another in a recent war. He also knew that the third would not assist the second – due to a dispute over “blood money.”

The last tribe to remain was the Banu Qurayza. Like the others, the Qurayza were a peaceful community of farmers and tradesmen who eventually surrendered to Muhammad without a fight. Although the prophet of Islam had been wise enough not to order the wholesale slaughter of the first two tribes following their defeat (which certainly would have stiffened the resistance of the Qurayza), there was no practical reason for Muhammad to repress his genocidal urges once the last tribe had surrendered their wealth and power.

Over 800 surrendered men and boys (and at least one woman) from the Qurayza tribe were beheaded by the prophet of Islam in a bloodbath that is of acute embarrassment to today’s Muslim apologists. It is an episode that is not only completely at odds with the idea that Islam is a peaceful religion, but also the claim that it is the heir to Christianity, since even that religion’s most dedicated critics could hardly imagine Jesus and his disciples doing such a thing.

It is only in modern times, as Islam finds itself having to compete with morally mature religions in open debate, that the story of the massacre has become controversial. Some Muslims deny the episode, largely on the basis of mere inconvenience. Others are unaware of it altogether. But, not only is the incident well documented in the Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad), there is even a brief reference to it in the Qur’an (verse 33:26).

Since Islam makes no apologies, particularly for anything that Muhammad personally did, contemporary Muslims generally try to convince themselves that the victims of Qurayza deserved their fate. They must have turned on the Muslims in battle and inflicted many deaths, forcing Muhammad to yield to the wishes of his people and respond in kind.

Unfortunately, the accounts of what happened, as related to the early Muslim historians by eyewitnesses, do not support this myth. In fact, it was the Qurayza who were caught in an impossible situation at the time between the Muslims and their Meccan adversaries.

Shortly after arriving in Medina in 622, Muhammad began raiding the merchant caravans traveling to and from neighboring Mecca. He would steal their property and kill anyone who defended it (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424-425). The Jews of Qurayza had nothing to do with this. Much like the Meccans, the Jews were also traders and they appreciated the value of security in doing business. They neither encouraged Muhammad’s raids nor shared in his ill-gotten gain.

After a few years of this, the Meccans eventually realized that they would have to try and capture Medina, since it was being used as a base of operations by Muhammad and his pirates. In 627, they sent an army to the outskirts of the city and appeared poised to take it in what has been called the Battle of the Trench (the Muslims dug a trench around the exposed northern and western parts of the city to stop the Meccan military advance).

The Qurayza, who lived to the east of Medina, were thus caught in a bad situation. Not responsible for Muhammad’s war, they were nonetheless drawn into it, particularly when they were approached by a Meccan leader and asked not to assist Muhammad in his defense against the siege (to that point, the Qurayza had contributed digging tools to the Muslims, but not fighters).

The chief of the Qurayza did not wish to even entertain the Meccan envoy, but he was tricked into allowing him into his home (Ishaq/Hisham 674). Once there, the Meccan began making his case that the battle was going against Muhammad and that his fall was imminent. The anguish of the Qurayza chief over the trying circumstances of the position that he felt forced into is noted even by Muslim historians:

When Ka’b heard of Huyayy’s coming he shut the door of his fort in his face, and when he asked permission to enter he refused to see him, saying that he was a man of ill omen… Then Huyayy accused him of [being inhospitable]… This so enraged Ka’b that he threw open his door. [Huyayy] said to him, “Good heavens, Ka’b, I have brought you immortal fame and a great army… They have made a firm agreement and promised me that they will not depart until we have made an end of Muhammad and his men. “Ka’b said, “By God, you have brought me immortal shame and an empty cloud while it thunders and lightenings with nothing in it. Woe to you Huyayy, leave me as I am.” (Ishaq/Hisham 674)

After much “wheedling” by the Meccans, however, the Qurayza leader finally gave in and agreed to remain neutral in the conflict. He would neither contribute troops to the city’s defense nor to its impending capture at the hands of an army with superior numbers. The Muslims would be left on their own to deal with the conflict they had started with the Meccans.

The first twenty days of the conflict passed “without fighting” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 676) other than a few exchanges of arrows across the trench. A half-hearted effort on that day to breach the defenses proved fatal to the Meccan, thus convincing their leader that they could not win unless the Qurayza joined the battle from the other side. However, the Qurayza refused, ironically enough, thus prompting the Meccans to immediately abandon the siege.

A grand total of just six Muslims had been killed at the Battle of the Trench. Each of their names were carefully recorded (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 699) – none were killed by the Qurayza or by anything done by the Qurayza.

With the battle over, however, Muhammad surprised his army by turning them against the Qurayza fortress, claiming that the neutrality of the leader was a breach of the original constitution of Medina which the prophet of Islam had personally drawn up for the tribes five years earlier. The original language of this ‘treaty’ is not known, however, and later guesses as to what it might have said seem suspiciously tailored.

It is unlikely, for example, that the tribes of Medina would have given Muslims the right to slaughter them for merely speaking out against him, yet several prominent Jewish leaders and poets had been assassinated on Muhammad’s order prior to the Qurayza affair. At least one innocent merchant was slain by his Muslim business partner following Muhammad’s order in 624 for his men to “kill any Jew who falls into your power” (al-Tabari 7:97). Muhammad had also attacked the two other Jewish tribes – parties to the same agreement – looting their property and then evicting them from their land.

There is little doubt that the troubles Muhammad brought on Medina, through his mistreatment of the Jews and his relentless pursuit of hostilities against the Meccans, were a part of the sales pitch made by the Meccans to the Qurayza leader to win his neutrality – along with the implicit threat of slaughter if the city were taken by the Meccans. From Kab’s perspective, it would only be a matter of time before Muhammad found an excuse to attack and plunder his tribe as well.

Contrary to popular misconceptions, however, the Qurayza had not attacked the Muslims. In fact, had they attacked, then it surely would have been the end of Muhammad and his band of pirates since the southern end of the city was completely exposed to the Qurayza. In a terrible irony, it was the decision not to engage in violence that later sealed the fate of the Jews, who were only the first in a very long line of victims to horribly overestimate the value that Islam places on the lives of unbelievers.

According to Muhammad, it was the angel Gabriel (seen only by himself, of course) who ordered the siege on the Qurayza. After twenty-five days of blockade, the Jews gave in and surrendered to the prophet of Islam. As Ibn Ishaq/Hisham puts it, they “submitted themselves to the Apostle’s judgment” (Ishaq/Hisham 688).

Another misconception is that Muhammad did not render the death sentence against the Qurayza and was therefore not responsible for it. There is a partial truth in this, in that Muhammad clearly attempted to offload responsibility on another party. However, from the narrative, it is obvious that Muhammad clearly approved of the subsequent massacre – a fact further verified both by his choice of “arbitrator” and his subsequent reaction.

First, the prophet of Islam tricked the Qurayza by getting them to agree to put their fate in the hands of “one of their own.” In fact, this was a Jewish convert to Islam, a Muslim who had fought in the Battle of the Trench. Unbeknownst to the Qurayza, Sa’d bin Muadh had also been one of the few Muslims fatally injured in the battle (Ishaq/Hisham 689), which one can reasonably assume to have influenced his judgment. According to the Hadith, he was quite eager to continue slaying “unbelievers” even as he lay dying in his tent (Bukhari 59:448).

Secondly, when Sa’d did render his decree that the men of Qurayza should be killed and their women and children pressed into slavery, Muhammad did not express the slightest bit of disapproval. In fact, the prophet of Islam confirmed this barbaric sentence to be Allah’s judgment as well (Bukhari 58:148).

Consider the contrast between the historical Muhammad and the man of “peace and forgiveness” that today’s Muslims often assure us that he was. In light of the fact that the Qurayza had not killed anyone, wouldn’t a true man of peace have simply sought dialogue with them to try and determine their grievance, find common ground and then resolve the matter with dignity to both parties?

Instead, the prophet of Islam had the men bound with rope. He dug trenches and then began beheading the captives in batches. In a scene that must have resembled footage of Hitler’s death squads, small groups of helpless Jews, who had done no harm to anyone, were brought out and forced to kneel, staring down at the bodies of others before their own heads were lopped off and their bodies were pushed down into the ditch.

There is some evidence that Muhammad personally engaged in the slaughter. Not only does the earliest narrative bluntly say that the apostle “sent for them” and “made an end of them,” but there is also support for this in the Qur’an. Verse 33:26 says of the Qurayza, “some you slew, some you took captive.” The Arabic “you: is in the plural, but the Qur’an is supposed to be Allah’s conversation with Muhammad, so it makes no sense that he would not be included.

In any event, there is no denying that Muhammad found pleasure in the slaughter, particularly after acquiring a pretty young Jewish girl (freshly “widowed” and thus available to him for sexual servitude) (Ishaq/Hisham 693).

Other women were not quite as compliant. The historians record the reaction of one woman who literally lost her mind as her family was being killed. The executioners apparently found her maniacal laughter annoying and beheaded her as well. As Aisha later recounted:

“I will not forget that she was laughing extremely although she knew that she would be killed” (Abu Dawud 2665)

(One can forgive Aisha’s obtuseness. At the time that she and her husband sat observing the carnage together, the wife of Muhammad was only 12-years-old).

Boys as young as 13 or 14 were executed as well, provided that they had reached puberty. The Muslims ordered the boys to drop their clothes. Those with pubic hair then had their throats cut (Abu Dawud 4390). There was no point in trying to determine whether or not they were actual combatants because there were none. There had been no combat!

Muhammad parceled out the widows and surviving children as slaves to his men for sexual servitude and labor. The wealth accumulated by the Qurayza was also divided. Since the tribe had been a peaceful farming and trading community, there were not enough weapons and horses taken to suit Muhammad’s tastes, so he obtained more of these by trading off some of the Qurayza women in a distant slave market (Ishaq 693).

In addition to the main question as to why people who had not killed anyone were put to death and enslaved, there are several others raised by Muhammad’s massacre of the Qurayza. For example, the Quran says that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another” (Quran 53:38) yet every member of the tribe was punished for a decision pressed on one reluctant member.

And what of the places in the Qur’an where violent passages are sometimes mitigated by the occasional admonishment to cease killing those who stop fighting? The surrendered Qurayza had never even fought in the first place.

While Muslim apologists grapple with the challenges posed by this episode, the fate of the Qurayza is only the first of many such massacres that the Religion of Peace has provided the world. Whether it be the 4,000 Jews at Granada in 1066, the 100,000 Hindus on a single day in 1399, or the million or so Christian Armenians in the early 1900’s, untold tens of millions of innocents have perished in mass executions at the hands of Islam’s dedicated disciples…

Yet, there has never been, nor will there ever be in the future, an apology from those who follow Muhammad, since the massacre of infidels was the example personally set by their prophet at Qurayza.

The biggest sin is killing and Muhammad was number one in that, I don’t get the Idea who game him authority to kill humans. and take their womans as booty.
This sick Guy had not only killed humanity but open the doors for his follower by setting these evil examples to kill non-believers through out humanity.
The message is direct, It was not for defending it was for genocide. that too OPENLY.
You always wage a war because you are in impression that the other party may attack on you. This is philia you always have when you begin a war.
When God wants to punish someone he will simply punish him why whould he give punishment by Muhammad?
How come he gave right to men to have 4 wives and multiple women slaves while on the other hand a woman can’t have more than one husband and no men slave.
He was so lecherous that he not only had more than 4 wives but he also had sexual relation with multiple slaves.
You can purchase a woman from market for sexual slavery what a disgusting idea Muhammad.
Any muslim can’t deny the fact that he had not killed human in his conquest of non-believers.
He ordered his fellow muslims to amputate those who stole his camels, what a barbaric act.

THE CRIMES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD

Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs.

What is important to understand is that none of these depraved, criminal acts are crimes to Muslims. They are all holy, divine acts to be emulated by all Muslim men. They are all Sunna [The traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims].

Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and thigh with Baby Aisha taking his penis and rubbing it up and down her thighs. Being a man of mercy he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.

Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts can have been altered to change the age. Koranic texts claim he married her when she was six and he may have consummated the marriage then as well. Reason for this being that other indications in the Hadith shows that Mohammed was a pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.
Read more on https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/islam-the-crimes-of-prophet-mohammed/
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IV. MUHAMMAD: THE BAD

Yet Muslims tend to focus solely on the good characteristics of their prophet, and to completely ignore less admirable qualities. We have already seen that Muhammad began robbing caravans after leaving Mecca. As a result,greed soon became one of the primary factors in people’s rapid conversion to Islam. Indeed, Muhammad deliberately used the spoils of war to lure people to Islam. When he was criticized for the way he distributed his newfound wealth, he replied, “Are you disturbed in mind because of the good things of this life by which I win over a people that they may become Muslims while I entrust you to your Islam?”iv

Although Muhammad patiently endured persecution in Mecca, his attitude quickly changed when his numbers grew in Medina. Soon he would tolerate no criticism whatsoever. According to our earliest biographical source, a man named Abu Afak—who was more than a hundred years old—wrote a poem criticizing people for converting to Islam. Muhammad demanded he be killed, and Abu Afak was murdered in his sleep. When a woman named Asma heard that Muslims had killed such an elderly man, she wrote a poem calling for people to take a stand against Islam.Ibn Ishaq relates what happened next:

When the apostle heard what she had said he said, “Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?” Umayr bin Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he said, “You have helped God and His apostle, O Umayr!” When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, “Two goats won’t butt their heads about her,” so Umayr went back to his people.v

Muhammad’s violence was directed towards groups as well. Muhammad once said to his followers, “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims.”viThe Jews of Qurayza resisted Muhammad and attempted to form an alliance against him. When the alliance faltered, Muhammad acted quickly. His armies surrounded them and “besieged them for twenty-five nights until they were sore pressed and God cast terror into their hearts.”

Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina. . . . Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. . . . There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.vii

Every male who had reached puberty was killed. Muhammad divided the women, children, and property among his men (taking a fifth of the spoils for himself).

V. MUHAMMAD: THE UGLY

But things get worse.As the Muslim armies raided town after town, they captured many women, who would often be sold or traded. Yet, since the Muslim men were a long way from their wives, they needed wisdom from Allah to guide them in their treatment of their female captives. It wasn’t long before Muhammad received a revelation allowing the soldiers to sleep with the women:

Allah’s Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that: “And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)” (i.e. they were lawful for them when their ‘Idda period came to an end).viii

This verse of the Qur’an (4:24), along with others (23:1-6; 33:50; 70:22-30), granted Muslims the right to have sex with their female captives and slave girls, even those who were still married or who were going to be sold or traded.

Perhaps most disturbing of all is the fact that Muslims could have sex with girls who hadn’t even reached puberty. The opening verses of Chapter 65 of the Qur’an present Islamic rules for divorce. According to 65:4, if a Muslim divorces a girl who hasn’t yet reached puberty, he must wait three months to make sure she isn’t pregnant.

Muhammad himself had sex with a prepubescent girl. His courtship of Aisha began when she was only six years old.ix Muhammad had a dream about her, which led him to believe that God wanted him to marry the young girl.x Fortunately, Muhammad waited three years before having sex with her; nevertheless, Muslim sources report that Aisha still hadn’t reached puberty.xi Since Muhammad is the moral exemplar in Islam, his actions are still affecting young girls today.

I know this video, some people to get cheap publicity are always in quest to do something different. So, this is one Of the kind who overlooked facts and evidence in order to get some more hearing and obviously muslim supported. Sadly, there are some hindu sindhi refugees, who are themselves victim of islamic brutality so despearate in finding some muslim favours.

I was going to sign off postings but after seeing that video I cannot help commenting. Hindus are the ONLY people who like to deny their Holocaust and pakistan is the result of creation of ppl like punjani and nehru. Pamela Gellers wiki ( I tried to throw off the -ve’s , that did not have enough citations – part where she is classified as islamophobic but I got warned by moderators of having my ac revoked ) has all these negative connotations. There are 1000’s of victims killed by moslems – who do not have any wiki but this asshole punjani has got a wiki.
He claims Somnath temple was grazed to ground because there was Gold Dinars lying over there kept by Hindu Soldiers who belonged to his legion…..what….Gazni Conquered India as an external invader…HOW IN GODS GREEN EARTH did Gazni ‘s army have 35% Hindu Soldiers …..THAT’S LIKE SAYING , 35% OF THE NAZI ARMY COMPRISED OF BRITISH SOLDIERS !!! HA.. WHAT A FANTASTIC STATEMENT . AND THEN HE GOES on to say .. Temple was grazed because Gold was Hidden !!! …WHOA..gimme a break….Thieves who steal expensive paintings from a Paris Museum…..DON”T BOMB THE MUSEUM AND GRAZE IT DOWN…all they do is STEAL THE PAINTINGS AND DISAPPEAR IN THE DARK.
SINDHI PEOPLE WERE THE MAX AFFECTED BY ISLAMIC GENOCIDE OF 1947. WHAT IS SINDH IN PAKISTAN WAS A HINDU SINDHI AREA ONCE UPON A TIME…AND THESE SINDHI’S SUPPORTED THE INDIAN TROOPS IN 1962 WAR …BUT THAT BASTARD NEHRU AND HIS KID – MOSLEM BITCH INDIRA ..TURNED THEIR BACK ON THEM AND THEY HAD TO FLEE THEIR OR ELSE GET BUTCHERED BY PAKI TROOPS . THAT IS THE REALITY. SINDHI’S DON’T HAVE A PLACE TO CALL THEIR HOMELAND BECAUSE MOSLEMS STOLE IT. AS FOR PUNJANI … I KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT HIM. HE WAS CAUGHT WITH A PAKISTANI CHILD PROSTITUTE hired by the pakistan commissioner to India . they took pictures of him sniffing dope and having sex with this teenage girl and now the BLACKMAILED HIM… YOU SAY THE STORY ABOUT INDIAN HISTORY TO HINDUS LIKE WE TELL YOU OR ELSE WE WILL SELL YOUR SEX FILES TO PORNO SITES. PUNJANI COWED DOWN AND BEGAN TO IMAGINE HISTORY ….JUST LIKE MR MOHAMMED IMAGINED THAT HE GOT INSTRUCTIONS FROM GABRIEL.
ANYONE ELSE HAVING A BETTER EXPLANATION IS MOST WELCOME TO CT THIS DEBATE.

Mr. Pallav.
The language you use shows that its not worthy of a reply.
Please understand that holy Quran is a widely available book, ALLAH Tha’la has made it very simple for anybody to understand. Its main message is very straightforward. So there is no problem with interpretation.
I understand that your knowledge about Islam is zero and at the same time you keep commending regarding Islam. So please be honest to yourself.
So my humble request to you is to read Holy Quran , atleast few chapters of it and then commend.
Also please read your own vedas which have ample evidance to show that our ancestors in vedic period used to kill animals and eat meat. You will also see good evidances for monotheism.
So before spreading lies and hatred, at least be a bit honest to yourself
For your information, Muslims are only people who believe in Paramathma, one God, who is the creator and sustainer. They worship The God and do not equate God to any of Gods creations, do not make any idols for God because they believe that Creator is far above his creations.
Muslims pray 5 times a day, that is namaz, first namaz of the day is early in the morning. Muslims give a fixed percentage of their income to the poor( zakath). They fast in daytime a full month in every year. Muslims from all over the world assemble at mekkah for the Hajj every year.
Muslims are prohibited from using alcohol, intoxicants, their religion prohibits stealing others property, killing innocents for no reason, adultery corruption etc. All these messages are given very clearly in the Quran. Please read and understand.

In normal course, when we are talking about a problem we should stick to that, you should not throw another fact as a counter argument. There may be verses about violence in Vedas, I never deny but you must admit that there is not a single man in World who kills other person for those verses. NO ONE. and it is no where concerns with killing. We, non-believer never give a damn or would never invest so much of our time in reading and replying post here if we weren’t seeing horrible face of Islam. and Mr. Saktiwan, I am reading Quran as well as Hadees, believe me the more I read these books the more I feel disgust and hatredness inside. The main source of hate is Quraan itself for both believers and non-believers.
And about interpretation, do you want me to paste links from eminent muslims clerics refering quraanic verses and quote Hadees about Jihad against non-muslims kafirs?
Quraan is filled with hatred feeling and punishments. I admit some of the verses are good but again it is limited to islamic ummah cause they don’t consider us even religion. We are corrupted people of the land.
Let me show you some more insight from muhammad’s life (your Ideal)

48 Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “Whoever believes in Allah and His Apostle, offer prayer perfectly and fasts the month of Ramadan, will rightfully be granted Paradise by Allah, no matter whether he fights in Allah’s Cause or remains in the land where he is born.” The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle ! Shall we acquaint the people with the is good news?” He said, “Paradise has one-hundred grades which Allah has reserved for the Mujahidin who fight in His Cause, and the distance between each of two grades is like the distance between the Heaven and the Earth. So, when you ask Allah (for something), ask for Al-firdaus which is the best and highest part of Paradise.” (i.e. The sub-narrator added, “I think the Prophet also said, ‘Above it (i.e. Al-Firdaus) is the Throne of Beneficent (i.e. Allah), and from it originate the rivers of Paradise.”)

So, those who believe and pray Allah & Muhammad will get paradise? What about us non-believers? Hell?
So again, Muhammad says muzzahiddin who fights well for the cause
of Allah will get highest grade in heaven. (Anyways description of heaven is fantacy-cal)

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46 Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The example of a Mujahid in Allah’s Cause– and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause—-is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty.”

Fight for the cause of Allah and get paradise or war booty. Clearly Indicates towards fighting a religious war. (See war booty include precious valuable items as well as ladies). So here, prophet inspires followers to wage war against those who don’t believe.

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Narrated Abu Ishaq: Once, while I was sitting beside Zaid bin Al-Arqam, he was asked, “How many Ghazwat did the Prophet undertake?” Zaid replied, “Nineteen.” They said, “In how many Ghazwat did you join him?” He replied, “Seventeen.” I asked, “Which of these was the first?” He replied, “Al-‘Ashira or Al-‘Ashiru

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Narrated Kab bin Malik: I never failed to join Allah’s Apostle in any of his Ghazawat except in the Ghazwa of Tabuk. However, I did not take part in the Ghazwa of Badr, but none who failed to take part in it, was blamed, for Allah’s Apostle had gone out to meet the caravans of (Quraish, but Allah caused them (i.e. Muslims) to meet their enemy unexpectedly (with no previous intention) .

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Narrated Ibn Masud: I witnessed Al-Miqdad bin Al-Aswad in a scene which would have been dearer to me than anything had I been the hero of that scene. He (i.e. Al-Miqdad) came to the Prophet while the Prophet was urging the Muslims to fight with the pagans. Al-Miqdad said, “We will not say as the People of Moses said: Go you and your Lord and fight you two. (5.27). But we shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.” I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him.

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Narrated Ibn Abbas: On the day of the battle of Badr, the Prophet said, “O Allah! I appeal to You (to fulfill) Your Covenant and Promise. O Allah! If Your Will is that none should worship You (then give victory to the pagans).” Then Abu Bakr took hold of him by the hand and said, “This is sufficient for you.” The Prophet came out saying, “Their multitude will be put to flight and they will show their backs.” (54.Narrated Abu Talha: On the day of Badr, the Prophet ordered that the corpses of twenty four leaders of Quraish should be thrown into one of the dirty dry wells of Badr. (It was a habit of the Prophet that whenever he conquered some people, he used to stay at the battle-field for three nights. So, on the third day of the battle of Badr, he ordered that his she-camel be saddled, then he set out, and his companions followed him saying among themselves.” “Definitely he (i.e. the Prophet) is proceeding for some great purpose.” When he halted at the edge of the well, he addressed the corpses of the Quraish infidels by their names and their fathers’ names, “O so-and-so, son of so-and-so and O so-and-so, son of so-and-so! Would it have pleased you if you had obeyed Allah and His Apostle? We have found true what our Lord promised us. Have you too found true what your Lord promised you? “‘Umar said, “O Allah’s Apostle! You are speaking to bodies that have no souls!” Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hand Muhammad’s soul is, you do not hear, what I say better than they do.” (Qatada said, “Allah brought them to life (again) to let them hear him, to reprimand them and slight them and take revenge over them and caused them to feel remorseful and regretful.”)

Here allah revive people to punishand reprimand. When he can do the same in hell.

Well, talk about Quraan and taking Muhammad as a role model, you will find that he himself attacked on many tribes in area. He looted booty divided among his gang members booty not only included wealth, girls and women were also part of booty. This is so deep inside muslim mind they also find normal to attack on non-believers and loot the property. The great examples were, gaznavi, gori, tamerlane etc etc.
You can find more info in Hadith.

Regarding peace, its not allah to give peace its you who by countinous self practise and continence and ascetism can attain peace or in other word Nirvana Moksha.
Fortunately, we have had some greatest philosopher of the world like Buddha, jain tirthankars, and shankarcharya, vivekanand. Muhammad stands now where when compare to them.

I had decided that I will not reply… but this kind of lies… I couldn’t resist….

As Muslim I have courage to face truth.. you first put the truth.. I challenge you.. you come up with any event of Mohammad’s life or Quran’s single statement which you think is inhuman or illogical.

Now do you have the courage to come up with a single life event from 63 years of a man’s age. Or a single verse of Quran from 6666 verses of Quran which is illogical or inhuman.

Ha ha.. we have discussed this already, first gaznavi, gori are name of place you get some knowledge of history first. Also get some knowledge of killing done by other Invaders from Romans, Alexander , Mongos…

I don’t have time otherwise I will explain to you the concept of Moksha in Islam also it is no used to explain to you. I am happy at least you owner some of great Philosopher.

I just have one small question.. just tell me the 3 B theory given by Vivekanand?

Again your limited knowledge…What 8 type you are talking about… there is only one copy of Quran.. that the specialty of Quran… no other book in the world can challenge this… ————– I challenge you “”are saying 8 type… You just bring 2 copy of Quran which are different…. “”—–

“Well, I put verses from Hadeesh, most of the Islamic laws have come from Hadees.”

Why you afraid… you just take any one hadith from the link and past it… But make sure you post the complete hadith not just bit and pieces i had given you comparison ” if I will not put the context of Mahabharata and say Krishna gave teaching of killing of own cousins would be wrong… so to understand we need to understand the context.”

So please give one hadith, start with one, I will answer.. don’t be so afraid….

Muhammad was an Ideal man?? hahaha
offcourse, surely, He is an Ideal for Today’s Terrorists. (his habbit matches with their ideology or in other word ISIS and Al shabab or Al-mujahiddin or al-kaida or laskar.
You should read these book with out any prejudice and without having Islamic Glass.http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=43&translator=1&start=0&number=0
Just read it thorough, You will find that Muhammad was trying to create an Army against those who deny Allah. Those who didn’t agree with him, He himself attacked/ urged his follower to attack on those tribes.

Narrated Anas: Allah’s Apostle said, “Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?” The Prophet said, “By preventing him from oppressing others.”

I implore Muslim people not just blindly believe in Quraan, for humanity sake please read his views without any prejudice they will find a lot of similarity between him and hitler.
Hitler was a good man for his fellow Germans but he was against humanity. same is the case with Muhammad, He perhaps good for his followers but he was an evil man for other non muslims and the irony is, He tried all his best to prove that non-muslims are EVIL.

At many place he has forgiven his rivals/enemies/prisoners because they accepted Islam, why? It was continued till all medieval age. Why?
Was he waging war only because those people had not accepted Islam and when they accepted Islam Muhhammad forgave them.

Clearly Muhammad has given some prerogatives to his fellower Muslim brothers
” Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Umar: Allah’s Apostle said, “A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, so he should not oppress him, nor should he hand him over to an oppressor. Whoever fulfilled the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfill his needs; whoever brought his (Muslim) brother out of a discomfort, Allah will bring him out of the discomforts of the Day of Resurrection, and whoever screened a Muslim, Allah will screen him on the Day of Resurrection . ”

and about rape and oppression, Islamic history is filled with this and no one can deny it. any one forget about britain sex jihad please google, where more than 1300 teenage girls were victim all the convicts are Muslims and they themselves have accepted the religious motives behind it.
the famous delhi rapes case too had a muslim convict.
west bengal muslims rape a old age nun,
so, who ever says Islam is good religion when the quraan could not change much in these muslims what good can we think quraan can do?
while on other hand there has been a lot of killing and murder rape on the name of quraan.

First of all you should give reference of book and hadith number as it not possible for be to find the hadith with just words

For what you have posted now:

Narrated Anas: Allah’s Apostle said, “Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?” The Prophet said, “By preventing him from oppressing others.”

What the question … what your problem????

In the 2nd also i couldn’t get what you want???Again what the question???/ what you want???

” Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Umar: Allah’s Apostle said, “A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, so he should not oppress him, nor should he hand him over to an oppressor. Whoever fulfilled the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfill his needs; whoever brought his (Muslim) brother out of a discomfort, Allah will bring him out of the discomforts of the Day of Resurrection, and whoever screened a Muslim, Allah will screen him on the Day of Resurrection . ”

Your point=====================

“and about rape and oppression, Islamic history is filled with this and no one can deny it. any one forget about britain sex jihad please google, where more than 1300 teenage girls were victim all the convicts are Muslims and they themselves have accepted the religious motives behind it.
the famous delhi rapes case too had a muslim convict.
west bengal muslims rape a old age nun,
so, who ever says Islam is good religion when the quraan could not change much in these muslims what good can we think quraan can do?
while on other hand there has been a lot of killing and murder rape on the name of quraan.”

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I told you before ,,,, but i will repeat for you as you forget easy,,, I am not here to defend or stand for wrong done by any random person I am here to stand for Quran and Mohammad (as),….

(can you give details of british thing you mention i am not aware of this)

Still as you raised the issue just some facts…Famous delhi rapes case i guess you are talking about Nirbaya case. List of Convicted
Ram Singh
Mukesh Singh
Vinay Sharma
Pawan Gupta
Akshay Thakur
an unnamed juvenile

Yes they happen to be Muslim by religion bt Islam never teaches this…. I wonder how come you just find this example of Church vandalizing..

Really what a great show by muslims…..this discussion is not meant for them then also they will drop one by one with their illogical view point and put questions like where in quran is it written….i mean if someone ask me where in Bible Jesus Christ was re-born or in Hinduism if anyone said ” I am the god and pray me and you will achieve salvation” i would simply say him..blah blah blah blah blah but these muslims will be right behind your ass every time….Islam is the biggest lie in the human history and a perfect lie, Muhmad lied 1400 hundred years ago he wrapped lies with facts, morals, truths which made it a perfect lie. Islam is not a religion based on relationship but rewards you do a thing and you get reward, so every muslm keeps on climbing the ladder. Some muslims are standing on the first ladder then they pray more, do more charity and keep on climbing the ladder and the highest ladder is jihad the most holiest duty of a muslim (fighting using a sword and force for the glory of allah, even they can’t fight with sword anymore..hahaha using modern army hardware) muhamad did jihad himself (a war where he killed a king and raped his wife right in front of th dead body this is the propeht who said allah made him do it) and he is the highest example of every muslim as a matter of fact muhmad is more important to muslim then allah itself. muhmad created the personality of allah to do what he wanted..as he could not say i am allah worship me so he created allah and made people worship allah and made people do things which allah wanted that was killing people who do not agreed with muhmad and thus the story of islam begins….and still continues….hahahaha muhmad and allah what a combination..do you see people. our focus should not be muslims but islam and the god of islam that is the real gangster. Islam is not religion of peace, islam means submission, salam mens peace, so in islam, a religion of submission if you do not submit you get killed this is the core of islam, this is a fight of ideology and not muslims Vs anyone. Muslims don’t understand quran themselves…imagine 1.5 billion muslims around the world 300 million of them only speak arabic and less then 5% of the 300 million understand the meaning of quran.. and out of those 5% none of them understand true quran except enchanting the verse of quran…if you translate quran you won’t find anything for humanity, I want to ask any muslim to come and tell how can muhmad a prophet as he has not given a single prophecy a prophet without a prophecy.. thoughout the history of muhmad he did one miracle and it was on a flying donkey and he was the only witness hahahaha enough about islam…its the root of evil and all the muslims brothers should become atheist because if say convert to christanity or hindusim or any other religion they will find it hard…and yes just be in the middle east and yes they are free to go to the middle east..this will a peaceful exodus other way is nuke mecca and medina..problem solved instantly. oh god what a day…anyway guys good to see the blog and best is not to be limited here with such texts if there are programmers and web designers you can make animated series and post it in you tube to create more awareness among all the non-muslims that muslims are not the enemy but its islam and allah that are the enemy. amen *

Majority of a population belonging to a particular religion doesnt mean that there were forceful conversions or killing of followers of other religions.

And Holy Quran shows the way here, it says not to force in the religion as truth is very evident from the falsehood. So if somebody wants to follow Quran, they can follow. If sombody doesnt want to follow, they can choose their way.

Killing of an innocent person is equated by the Holy Quran to killing of the whole of humanity, saving an innocent person according to Quran is equal to saving of the whole humanity.

So followers of the holy Quran canot convert people by force or canot kill innocent people.

Reading this i wonder
1. How could Islam influence those wild animals in our forests – tigers, lions and all. They were all vegetarians before the arrival of Islam. Islam influenced them to be carnivores.
2. In 60 years pakistans hindu population came down. In nearly 1000 years muslim rulers made india a muslim state. Thats why now India has 85 % muslims and 15 % hindus
3. Saudi has less no. of rapes than India. Actually no. of rapes came down there by the influence of Indian hindu pravasees there.

@shaktwin
Dear mate,
1. Don’t forget your book says Islam exists even before birth of Allah (oops muhammd since Allah is his creation). So, I just want explantion for an incident as per quranic philosophy. For you lets talk about future, what did your allah say about Latest smart phone and how long this android version will go? Did he even say about car running on petrol diesel, I guess no. If he had told arabs about petroleum you all would have petroleum stocks by now.
I am so surprised when allah told you about benefit of dates, camel milk, meswak, and other plants why he forgot to tell you about petroleum which is abundantly available.

2. The whole world knows how did Islam spread except you and your brother.
Your’re right 85% of indian are not muslim but the fact is 99% parsic are now muslims, 95% egyptions are muslims, 96% of indonesian are muslims, 98% pakistnis and afganistanis are muslims. Turks which was part of byzantiam empire is now muslim country, algerians berbers are muslims now.
(When I speak Muslims, it should be considered as synonyms with fanatics.)

Dear, first understand that ALLAH is not name of a god of any community/ tribe or like that. The word ALLAH derived from AL ILAH which nearly means THE GOD or THE ONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP. He is the only God, Lord who created me and you and sustains the universe. Even nonmuslim arabs used this word. ALLAH was never born and he never gave birth.

Holy Quran says; “”Say, “He is Allah , [who is] One, Allah , the Eternal. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” Your scriptures might also contain similar definition for the God. So dont say somebody gave birth to god etc.

The holy Quran is not a textbook of geography or anything, so one need not expect to get information on petrochemicals etc. in holy Quran. Purpose of the Book is to guide people to the right way. But no science can disprove any scientific facts mentioned in the Holy Quran.

The rapes cases in Saudi arab maybe less but it is not attributed to Islam.
It is surely attributed to severe punishment like stoning to death, hanging in public, cutting hands and other permanant physical punishment. These is one of barbaric punishment. I guess Saudi is number one.
Just why should a nation require Barbaric inhuman punishments????
Simply because natives are barbaric too. Arab countries are barbaric, they dont value life. Not new though.
You forgot to mention about a lady who refuse to wear Hijab in university.
She is raped several times by religious people and flesh from one of her calf is remove as permanant punishment.

Allah says in the Qur’an, (And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way) (Al-Isra’ 17: 32).

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever guarantees me that he will guard his chastity, I will guarantee him Paradise”.egarding rape, a Muslim will never approch rape even adultery because Holy Quran strictly

Rape and similar heinous crimes should be punished harshely if proven in a court of law, thats the Islamic law on this. And a major purpose of the punishment is to deter other people from similar crimes, thats why punishment are given in public. If you are against harsh punishment for rapists, think of a situation where your own daughter or wife is raped.

Your knowledge about world is very confined and prejudiced. Can you Imagine how many girls, ladies raped during Arabs, Parsian, Turk muslims attacked on India. It may be true that you are result of such henious act. I should tell you that a Islam most spread ib that fashion. Rape and Islam as very old relation, even in the time of muhammad rape and loot in non-muslim tribe was very common. You should know about that yehudi young married lady who was raped by muhammad after killing her husband and father in law infront of her. For you information, read about pinjar Muslims in karnatka. These muslims community is not properly accepted in main stream muslims because they are product of Islamic oppression and rapes.

I don’t know why you interested in knowing if petroleum was mention in Quran or not… or your latest version of android … if you can explain what your real question is… ??

Actually i don’t answer why, but i have seen some pattern like, Quran mention things in a way so that it make sense for all kind of people from all time, may at the time Quran was reveled petroleum word was not present, even today there are number of name for petroleum in different language or in the same language too. Still there is a verse of Quran which according to some interpreter may be mention fossil fuels

The Holy Qur’an says:

“Glorify the name of your Lord, the Most High: He Who created and molded; He Who determined and guided; He Who forth green pasture; then makes it blackened stubble. ” (Quran, 87:1-5)

I guess this much info will be helpful for you.

Secondly, I had already answer why punishment in Islam is so severe … I guess you don’t understand the answer one time… firstly Islam is interested in teaching and improving society so the punishment is meant to create a fear of law of land and not just wait and see when crime happen then we will punish. Secondly I don’t think i should list here the organisation list which were promoting punishment like sharia after Nirbiya incident and even people were asking for severe punishment for Juvenile

And the most important part, Islam give a man so many options for improvement and repent from his/her crime. In Islam, if the effected party say they don’t want to punish the person, the person will not be punished.

thirdly the event you mention about Mohammad can you give some reference because I couldn’t find it… Please give the reference of the event you mention.

Rich Saudis go to liberal democratic countries to enjoy all pleasures. Recently a rich Saudi Businessman, who after having drinks with two young girl in Britain, raped one of the girl. The girl sued the businessman. Surprisingly the court acquitted the Saudi and in their judgement declared that the Saudi accidentally fell on the girl and his private part entered the private part of the girl (accidentally), hence the Saudi was not guilty of rape. Moreover, the rich and powerful Saudis are free to indulge in whatever activities they fancy. As there is no free media, and their word is law, apparently it appears that there is no rape etc. Sharia is for the poor only.

1.) Pakistan is in west of India and while Nepal is in east of India.
Both places are have very prominent existence in Indian Hindu culture. Sindh and punjab area of Pakistan was craddle of Hindu civilization and Nepal has been continuous Hindu dominant region.
Now, the question is, while there are thousands of Temples in every corners of Nepal, why it is very difficult to find Hindu temples in Pakistanis soil when it is four times bigger than Nepal. Where have all vedic period Temples gone? surprisingly it is very hard to find even those temple sites.

2.) When Pakistan was formed, in earlier survey the hindu-sikh minority constitute around 15% of total population. Now it has reduced to mere 1-2%.
It really create suspicion when population is growing everywhere and pakistan population has grown 3 fold why the minorities population is going down.
We may ignore this problem by saying, “oh, this is just pakistan. this is political problem. Government is unable to give support and protection to minority” but from whom? the majority Sunni muslims?http://www.newslaundry.com/2015/01/09/the-vanishing-hindus-of-pakistan-a-demographic-study-2/

3.) Now examine the conditon of non-mulsims in Muslim countries.
Take example of Bangladesh, this country got its freedom in 1971 with the assistance from India, It should be thankful to Indians for freedom from oppression. With in 10 years of freedom islamic extreamism changed the democratic nation into Islamic republic.
Hindus were around 30% of total population in 1971, which has not reduced to mere 9.5%. wow this is huge. any reasonable answer? is government of Bangladesh is targetting Hindus in Bangladesh. Who is responsible for this steady decline in percentage.?? http://www.quora.com/Why-is-percentage-of-Hindu-population-in-Bangladesh-on-a-decline#

4.) Another country, Indonesia
in 16th century the Hinduism was biggest religion in the region with 60% coverage. buddism came second and then animism, Islam and christianity. Right after Islam came into power the Hinduism started to shrink along with native religion. it shrink to an extent that now it is on the verge of extinction. Hinduism is shirnk to Bali only and constitute only 1.6% of total population of the region.
any one knowns, the muslim government in 1950 had brought new law in Indonesia to forbid or discourage all polytheist practise by not considering it a religion and hence, deprive of the followers with nation citizenship. then Hinduism had to change itself under pressure of government by showing itself as monotheist religion (Agam Hindu Dharma). This is one of first time when religion had to reshape due to state pressure, Now, today all other native, tribal, animistic religions are taken shelter under the Hinduism umbrella.
Read more about PANCASILA……http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancasila_%28politics%29
The extreamist Muslims wanted to declare Indonesia as a muslim country but it was “Sukarno” the wise Leader of Indonesia who shaped Countries present Democracy with Panchsheela making base of Indonesian Philosophy. (Sukarno’s mother was a Hindu)

There may be other countries victim of Islamic oppression we don’t know yet or the proof of Islamic barbarism is not available.

Islam has contributed absolutely nothing to India. On the contrary, while the younger Indian population wrongly believe their destruction was caused by Britain which is a complete misconception, India’s rich culture was completely ruined and corruped by Islam.
Like in Southern and Eastern Europe, which turned into houses of poverty and backwardness, Islam plunged India and other advanced civilizations into the dark ages and ruined them. If we look at India we see a constant pattern of Muslim land grabbing, from Pakistan to Kashmir, to Bangladesh – only to mention land grabbing in the past century. Islam is a a truly evil, demonic parasite that plunders and destroy countries, cultures, and societies.

Its true today in Bombay a lot of Koli land was grabbed by Muslims but the Hindus too supported this plunder since they were not from Bombay and when two thieves get together there is no religion. Pls study Bombay’s Situation The SHiv sena is Hindu right wing, BJP too has Abbas Naqvi as their main leaders. Shiv sena has done nothing for the Hindu here. There are poor Brahmins and other Backward class Hindus. The Christians were Upperclass Hindus and dalits tribals too. They converted to support the Portuguese who did not believe in caste distinctions that plagued the Indian subcontinent.

But Islam has plagued the land by many hindus from UP too who are robbing the land of the natives. This is blurring the lines of who are enemies. If Hindus seperate themselves from muslims who are part of the land mafia here the natives will spare them. Even the collectors who are hindus are using Muslims to grab land and then give them Houses under the SRA. the local populations cannot fight the muslims and they are used by the Hindus to land grab. Such is the state and reality even now in 2015. Admin kindly advise. im in the thick of it. My blood boils reading your blog on the atrocities a faith has caused worldwide. But why are Hindus using Muslims for their dirty work. Its a uphill task for you to meet with your objective anytime soon. If corruption stops then the real enemy will be exposed. Think about it.

you went up ..but NOT all the way up. At the top of this stack of shit is the Congress-ISI-Dawood-Bollywood Crime syndicate. Dawood ( == Islamic Terror ) plays these greedy spinless so called “Hindus” . So WHERE does all this begin- Islam and Nehru Family ( which BTW is NOT HINDU. Its Moslem actually )
True it is there are Hindus who are not worth their spines – but the SAME is true for Christians too , who do not follow anything that’s there in the Bible. But that does not make the Holy Bible or Vedas less meaningful.

Pl understand purly correcting some of the concepts about Hiduism (what really is sanatan Dharm)
There was no temples in Videc period ( Vedas concept of God is NIRGUNAM NIRAKARAM SARVA VYAPI)
Archaeological survey of India will tell you frist Hindu temple came up in Badami (Karnataka) in 6th century AD, temple with deity inside came up in 7th century AD at Nagarjuna A.P

All Hindus including Brahmin were non vegetarians. The sacrificed meat used to be served as mahaprasad to bra-mins first then only to shudras and others. Read Ramayana and Mahabharata properly. Rama was a Kshatriya By Varnashram norms he was allowed to eat meat.
Mahabharata mention a king who used to slaughter 2000 animals every day to gave free food to hid subjects.
I can give you lot more facts if it interest you. I am 77 years old a brhmin may be vaidic brahmin

You’re talking about contaminated texts that come from different interpretations. Actually even in Christianity and Islam, as in Buddhism people are not suppose to eat any creature that has “blood in its veins”. Its later additions and contaminations that changed that. They were only allowed to eat greens, vegetables, nuts, fruit.

You are not Brahmin, you are Shudra (based on your characteristics as Varna had nothing to do with birth of anybody, it is all about working hard to acquire qualities to become Kshatriya, Brahmin, Vaishya etc). Don’t quote misinterpreted understanding of religious texts like Dr. Zaik (Muslim fame) does to support your own demonic deeds and misplaced understandings of life, religion and spirituality. Also it is a fashion to rationalize every demonic action one way or another by everybody these days. Staying alive for 77 years is not subjective or objective qualification to declare your beliefs and interpretation as facts. You seem to not have done anything good in 77 years of your life, so stay away with your demonic teachings from any historical and spiritual discourse so that next generation can learn something good from those who can offer such goodness to them.

O’ old man, Great you found something….. but one the otherhand did you try to find out that refind philosophy of hinduism which can bind us together and which no one can chellenge? As you know our religion has been evolving through out period of atleast 3000 years, we still need some more revival and cleansing in our religion. The one big problem is rigid caste system which should now be abandoned by elderly people. Second is Idol worship. As we have read many cases of iconoclam by muslim hands and defile of Hindu deities, we should move on from this self pity and start to change our way of praying according to modern psycology.

I have seen badami, ahole and pattadikal. These temples are filled with idol mostly taken from ramayana and mahabharata. Surely, these temple series expalain vedica brhamanical religion. So, when karnataka has temple of rama and krishna from 7th century why not any old temple in their birth places.?

Thee Incidence I would like to share here, which concerns to this topic

1.) Dated 13-03-2015, A debate is going on Peace TV (Urdu), an Islamic matter about some verses which no where pertain to hatredness.
The elderly scholars says, (I am as it is translating these words) “We should not deviate from our path which allah has shown us through Kitaab (Quraan). No matter how much mashrik try to deviate us or confuse us we should not deviate from our path.”
So, this guy try to pose that all mashriks (idolters, clearly targeting Hindus) are evil and they deviate or confuse Muslims.

2.) Dated : 01-05-2015 time 12:40 approx
This elderly Mulla says about a story from the book, He says abou a man who got rich by wrong means, so allah punished him by sacking his house and all house hold things. Why should allah punish a man? why? when evil and good are both created by him. and if he really doesn’t want a man to commit evil (as per our observation) then he should imbibe us with only good and rightousness. Allah doesn’t make any sense and over all he is very tyrant and cruel in nature.

There are many more from Dr. Zakir Hussain who in the proceeding program giving speech in India and asking Indian muslims to challenge Government Law for minimum age of Girl marriage 18 Years as it is not in Islamic Law (any man can marry even girl also there is no age bar). He is a typical muslim who seriously lacks logic.

3.) An Islamic supporter in this blog raised a point that Allah punishes those who commit crime.
First thing I want to raise is definition of crime varies from culture to culture and religion to religion. Killing a cow may not be crime in abrahaminical religion but it is a punishable offense in Hindu culture. Like wise, Apostasy (there is well defined punishment comes in sharia package.
The unholy book Quraan filled with hatred and punishment to those people who have committed sin (as per Islam) but on the other hand Islam praises those who destroy non-muslims religious place and convert them.
This doesn’t sound logical, when one side Quraan says Allah is almighty, he has fabricated the world, He created every living being and also he is the creator of mind, emotion and thoughts on the other hand he doesn’t have control over evil and his men are susceptible to evilness. (though I am surprise why only “MAN” ? there are other animals too in this world).
If while creating Human, some loophole remained and as he point it out “vulnerablity towards evil”. He can still mend it by manking human immune to Evilness.

“A tiger kills a deer fawn for eating ” — is it an evil act as per Quraan ?
“A tiger kills cubs for making a tigress ready for mating ” — is it an evil act as per Quraan?

Those who truly seek the truth in this matter should spend a few hours reading and researching from religionofpeace.com. There you will find clear proof that the Islamic murder and plunder of India over an approximately 400 year period resulted in more humans slain than in ALL of the other wars of mankind combined throughout history. See the article “Islamic Indian Slave Trade” down on the left side of the referenced website.
Islam is truly a vermin-infested, murderous, Satanic political-religious system, and should be avoided by all of humanity. It would be highly preferable if Islam, in it’s totality, were expunged from the world!

READ ABOUT MARRIAGES AMONG NON-MUSLIMS IN ISLAM ( HERE ALSO ALLAH IS BIASED)

Before we can discuss the reason of the prohibition of marriage between a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim man, it is important to first see whether such prohibition can truly be found in the Shari`ah or not. In one of my previous answers to a similar question, I had pointed out that a) the Qur’an has expressly mentioned the prohibition of marriage between a Muslim man/woman with a polytheist person; b) As far as the marriage between a Muslim man/woman and a Christian or a Jewish person is concerned, the Qur’an has expressly allowed marriage between a Muslim man and a Jewish/Christian woman but has not given any express directives regarding marriage between a Muslim woman and a Jewish/Christian man. This silence of the Qur’an regarding marriage between a Muslim woman and a Christian/Jewish man, has generally been construed as a disapproval of the Qur’an regarding the particular issue. However, because of the silence of the Qur’an in the related issue, marriage between a Muslim woman and a Jewish/Christian man cannot be termed as prohibited by the Shari`ah. In my opinion, prohibition of a certain matter in the Shari`ah, requires express directives to the effect.

In view of the above explanation, it should be obvious that the ultimate decision regarding such a marriage (between a Muslim woman and a Christian/Jewish man) is left to the individual.

My personal inclination regarding the matter is that such a marriage (Muslim woman and Christian/Jewish man) be avoided, as it seems more prudent to me to say that because the matter has not been given positive approval by the Qur’an (especially keeping in view that marriage between a Muslim man and a Christian/Jewish woman has been expressly allowed), therefore it should be considered as something which the Shari`ah dislikes or silently disapproves, even though it has not expressly prohibited it. However, it should be appreciated that a difference of opinion can exist in the matter.
(THIS IS NOT ONLY HIS PERSONAL OPINION, THIS IS A GENERIC OPINION IN MUSLIM WORLD)

In the referred verse, one of the demands of the rejecters has been answered. To fully understand the demand as well as the answer to it, we must be clear about a particular aspect of the message of the Qur’an. This aspect relates to the law of God relating to His messengers (Rasu’l).

The Qur’an tells us that Mohammad (pbuh) was not only a Prophet (Nabi), but also a Messenger (Rasu’l) of God. It tells us that when God sends His messenger in a people, these people are not allowed to live on God’s earth if they reject the messenger. It tells us that these people are given time in which to make up their minds and to present all their objections against the messenger (Rasu’l). It tells us that when the All-knowing God decides that these people have been given adequate time and that they are now absolutely clear of the truthfulness of the messenger and thus are not left with any excuse for their rejection, yet are still persistent in their rejection, then God directs His messenger to migrate from the area and subsequently He destroys all those who have rejected His messenger and are still persistent in ascribing partners to God, even after the truth has become completely manifest upon them. The Qur’an refers to the peoples (nations) of the messengers of old – Nuh, Hud, Lut, Sho`aib, Salaih, Musa’ (pbut) – and narrates the result of their rejection. It addresses the people of Mohammad (pbuh) – the Bani Ismai’l – and tells them that if they do not accept the message of God’s messenger (Mohammad) and persist in their polytheistic beliefs and practices their fate shall be no different from that of the nations, which have gone before them (See Surah Al-Qamar, the whole Surah especially verse 43 – 45).
In short, the Qur’an says that it is the unalterable law of God that when He sends His messenger in a people, these particular people are left with no option but to accept His message or to face the punishment of death and sometimes complete annihilation.

It is clear that the direct addressees of the Qur’an (the Arabs of the times of the Prophet) were warned of dire consequences if they persisted in their rejection of the Prophet (pbuh), not only in the hereafter, but also in the life of this world. However, when the Qur’an warned them of these consequences, they would mock these warnings and demand a sign of the all-encompassing punishment.

In the verse under consideration, the Qur’an has referred to such of their demands, reiterating the fact that rather than ask for such signs (of the punishment of God), man is required to use his mind and believe in what he has understood to be the truth. It has also stressed that after the signs are shown to them, they shall then not be given a chance to believe, as that would be the time of the implementation of God’s punishment. Thus, if any one wants to benefit from believing, he must believe before the implementation of God’s decision, for once the decision has been implemented, their belief shall not benefit them.

THIS IS ONE OF THE ISLAMIC SITE, FROM WHERE OUR MUSLIM DEBATERS QUOTE THEIR RESPONSE.

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Keeping the foregoing explanation in perspective, let us now take a look at the referred verse. The Qur’an says:

[Even after the clear signs of the Qur’an, they still persist in their rejection] Are they now waiting for the angels to come to them, or your Lord (Himself), or that some signs of your Lord are shown to them? [They should remember that] the day the signs of your Lord come to them, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them, if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith. [Therefore, O Prophet, ignore their demands and] Say: “[If you would like to wait for the signs of your Lord, then] wait [for them], we too shall wait [till God decides to show his signs.” (6: 158)

The above explanation should clarify that the ‘signs’ referred to in the verse are not any signs of the Day of Judgment, but are signs or samples of the punishment that the direct addressees of the Prophet (pbuh) were warned against, as a consequence of their rejection.

This is true. Pure and original Hinduism was very modern, women were respected above men, could wear anything and no rapes or crime, animals were looked after and Vegetarianism was the only way and it was a crime to hurt let alone kill any animal or living being. It’s only since islam came along that everything got mixed up as India was under it’s rule for many years.

Islam is not even a religion, it was invented for political reasons by muhammed – a person diagnosed with schizophrenia, who was a 40 year old guy, married a 9 year old girl- makes him a paedophile. It was created as a political move to gain more land – other people’s land, hence the jihad and non spirituality of it. That’s all.

Think God wants you to hurt other living beings on Earth?! No one has the right to cause pain to any other living being let alone kill any other living being/creature. Karma will punish anyone and everyone who does, millions of times worse.

To think a so called religion would promote such barbarity and do it in the name of their god is disgusting and beyond comprehension as to how brainwashed you would have to be to follow such a fake ‘religion.’ You do not have to be religious to know what is right or wrong – but in islam it tells you to do wrong. Extends from animals to people and the environment too.

The truth about islam is coming out now Worldwide, the truth always does. islam is satanic.

Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world, teaches you how to be a good human being (to every living creature in the world, Nature, environment) and Spirituality.

That’s what you call Religion.

muslims want to impose their nonsense sharia law in every country they go to try and control them but in their countries, they are racist, torture non muslims and jail those who want to impose their law on then, so they have no right to go to other countries to try impose their ‘rules’ there. Double standards seems to be the root of islam though as well as a guy writing his own rules and brainwashing prople into thinking it’s ‘religion’. Rightly said, unholy quoran.

I am not going to keep checking this post for comments as I have said all I need to say and don’t need to justify it as it’s the truth. I have said what I need to say and really. I agree with the posters that have revealed just some of the negative factors in islam – as it is full of them.

Glad the truth is coming out and this article has only just begun exposing islam for what it really is.

Hinduism speaks for itself in a positive way and islam speaks for itself in a negative way.

You are 100% correct in that Islam is totally Satanic! Those who truly seek the truth in this matter should spend a few hours reading and researching from religionofpeace.com. There you will find clear proof that the Islamic murder and plunder of India over an approximately 400 year period resulted in more humans slain than in ALL of the other wars of mankind combined throughout history. See the article “Islamic Indian Slave Trade” down on the left side of the referenced website.
Islam is truly a murderous, Satanic political-religious system, and should be avoided by all of humanity. It would be highly preferable if Islam, in it’s totality, were expunged from the world!

Its the people who are bad and they are not humab beings..all religions are good…the government of the country must be good to educate and administer his sountry men well..for example Buddhist in China , Korea, Japan etc dont harm other faith and belief but in biddhist in Myanmar harmed the muslims there….same like in azerbaijan and Turkey, the muslims are evry religiously tolerant but not the muslims in Afgannistan and other muslim countries…UNDERSTAND, use your hwead to think and not follow blindly @God and Allah are good…!

You’re right those who live near to ‘Sindhi’ river were called hindus by parsians. But they’re also the follower of Santana Dharma – the oldest religion among all and the dictionary of every religion. Unfortunately, Islam is the latest religion among all and a sect of rebels from the sanatana dharma is a part of this hotch-potch religion. So, who becomes what is clear now.

Unfortunately indian political leadership has failed to recognize the threat to civilized society The incidents of cold blooded massacres & ethnic cleansing in many parts of India, have still been continuing since last several decades and our political leadership has closed their eyes. Hindu population in Pakistan was close to 40 % in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Kashmir prior to partition of India ie till 1947 and now it has been reduced to less then .1 % The Islamicised human activists and sickular media in India close their eyes when right to life and property of hindus & non muslims are being denied ~ mohan alok

1.) Pakistan is in west of India and while Nepal is in east of India.
Both places are have very prominent existence in Indian Hindu culture. Sindh and punjab area of Pakistan was craddle of Hindu civilization and Nepal has been continuous Hindu dominant region.
Now, the question is, while there are thousands of Temples in every corners of Nepal, why it is very difficult to find Hindu temples in Pakistanis soil when it is four times bigger than Nepal. Where have all vedic period Temples gone? surprisingly it is very hard to find even those temple sites.

2.) When Pakistan was formed, in earlier survey the hindu-sikh minority constitute around 15% of total population. Now it has reduced to mere 1-2%.
It really create suspicion when population is growing everywhere and pakistan population has grown 3 fold why the minorities population is going down.
We may ignore this problem by saying, “oh, this is just pakistan. this is political problem. Government is unable to give support and protection to minority” but from whom? the majority Sunni muslims?http://www.newslaundry.com/2015/01/09/the-vanishing-hindus-of-pakistan-a-demographic-study-2/

3.) Now examine the conditon of non-mulsims in Muslim countries.
Take example of Bangladesh, this country got its freedom in 1971 with the assistance from India, It should be thankful to Indians for freedom from oppression. With in 10 years of freedom islamic extreamism changed the democratic nation into Islamic republic.
Hindus were around 30% of total population in 1971, which has not reduced to mere 9.5%. wow this is huge. any reasonable answer? is government of Bangladesh is targetting Hindus in Bangladesh. Who is responsible for this steady decline in percentage.?? http://www.quora.com/Why-is-percentage-of-Hindu-population-in-Bangladesh-on-a-decline#

4.) Another country, Indonesia
in 16th century the Hinduism was biggest religion in the region with 60% coverage. buddism came second and then animism, Islam and christianity. Right after Islam came into power the Hinduism started to shrink along with native religion. it shrink to an extent that now it is on the verge of extinction. Hinduism is shirnk to Bali only and constitute only 1.6% of total population of the region.
any one knowns, the muslim government in 1950 had brought new law in Indonesia to forbid or discourage all polytheist practise by not considering it a religion and hence, deprive of the followers with nation citizenship. then Hinduism had to change itself under pressure of government by showing itself as monotheist religion (Agam Hindu Dharma). This is one of first time when religion had to reshape due to state pressure, Now, today all other native, tribal, animistic religions are taken shelter under the Hinduism umbrella.
Read more about PANCASILA……http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancasila_%28politics%29
The extreamist Muslims wanted to declare Indonesia as a muslim country but it was “Sukarno” the wise Leader of Indonesia who shaped Countries present Democracy with Panchsheela making base of Indonesian Philosophy. (Sukarno’s mother was a Hindu)

There may be other countries victim of Islamic oppression we don’t know yet or the proof of Islamic barbarism is not available.

If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims.

The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180.

Thus it will be clear to you that execution of the apostate is something that is commanded by Allaah, when he commanded us to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority”

[al-Nisa’ 4:59]

And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has commanded us to execute the apostate as in the hadeeth quoted above: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”

It may need some time for you to be convinced about this matter, and for you to think about it. Perhaps you think that if a person follows the truth and enters into it and embraces the one true religion which Allaah has enjoined, then we allow him to leave it quite easily whenever he wants and to utter the words of kufr (disbelief) that put him outside of Islam, so he can reject Allaah, His Messenger, His Books and His religion, and there is no punishment as deterrent, how will that affect him and others who enter the religion?

Do you not see that this would make the one true religion, that everyone should follow, like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth.

Moreover, this is not someone who has never known the truth and practiced it and worshipped in accordance with it; rather this is a person who has known the truth, and practiced the religion and done the rituals of worship, so the punishment is no greater than he deserves. Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person?

In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslims’ ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God.

May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. We thank you once again.

I am sure muslims in and around are agree with these highly respected muslim clergymen.

There is nothing new, these clerics have brought up. These idea are inbuilt in Islam with so much of materials to support it. The clerics have only strengthen this idea with their views and silly arguments.

Selective Interpretation of verses, without considering the timing and the situation of revelation…

If it would be it simply contradict the basic premise of Islam

“There is no compulsion in religion” (Al-Baqara 2:256)

So we need to understand why this contradiction is, here is the complete analysis of the verse you quoted.

Punishment of Apostacy: Holy Quran
REFUTATION OF PUNISHMENT FOR APOSTACY
One of the foremost advocates of death as the penalty for apostacy in Islam, in his desperate search for at least one verse in the Holy Quran which might lend support to his misguided point of view, has had recourse to violating the context and meaning of one verse of the Holy Quran and to deduce from it his horrible doctrine. He has not a word to offer in explanation of the numerous verses of the Holy Quran that form the basis of the above exposition, which is proof enough that he has deliberately misinterpreted the particular verse from which he seeks to draw support. He also appears to be unconscious of the emphatic affirmation made in the Holy Quran, that there is no contradiction in it. Had there been any contradiction in the Quran, it would not be the Word of God, as is said: Will they not meditate upon the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah they would surely have found therein much contradiction. (4.83).

Let us now examine the verse upon which this particular divine bases his whole thesis. It is verse 12 of Chapter 9. The context of the verse is that after the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, had migrated from Mecca to Medina, Quraish of Mecca had embarked upon hostilities against him and the Muslims for the purpose of wiping out Islam by force. Then after a period of repeated aggression on their part, God of His mercy and grace, established the supremacy of Islam in Arabia, but those who were still disaffected, and entertained hostile designs against the Muslims, and had not laid down their arms, were granted a period of four months within which to make their peace with the Muslims, failing which, the hostilities which they themselves had started, would be resumed against them. In this context it was pointed out that such of them as sincerely accepted Islam would form part of the Islamic brotherhood and there would be no question of any action being taken against them. That had been the situation all through. Those who, continuing disbelievers, concluded a treaty of peace with the Muslims, must carry out the obligations of the treaty strictly. If they failed to do so hostilities would be resumed against them. Verse II of Chapter 9 is to the following effect: If they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then they are your brethren-in-faith. We expound Our commandments for a people who possess knowledge. This is followed by verse 12 which lays down: If those who break their pledge after making a covenant and ridicule your religion, in such case fight these leaders of disbelief that they may desist, for they have no regard for their pledged word. This divine construes this verse as meaning that if those who are referred to in the previous verse as having become Muslims, should repudiate Islam, they should be fought against and subdued.

Assuming that those who repudiated Islam after having expressed their belief in it, reverted to hostilities, they would, of course, be fought against, not because of their apostacy but because of their reversion to enemy status. The issue that this divine has to face is that Islam prescribes no penalty for a simple change of faith, which involves no treason or rebellion or hostility against the Islamic State. The verse under consideration relates to the breaking of a pledge to live at peace with the Islamic State. Those who are guilty of such breach are to be fought against, as rebels or enemy aliens, and not to be caught and executed for apostacy.

This is made abundantly clear by the immediately following verses which say: Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths, who plotted to turn out the Messenger from his home and who were the first to start hostilities against you? Do you fear them? It is Allah Who is Most Worthy that you should fear Him, if you are believers. Fight them; Allah will punish them at your hands and will humiliate them, and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers of fear and distress and will remove their feeling of resentment (9.13-14 ).

It is thus clear that these verses have reference to the disbelievers who have no regard for their pledged word, and who should be guilty of breach of treaties and should be bent upon armed hostilities.

For true meaning of these verse and to learn what the punishment … You can read more here

You have again posted crap here:
The justification you have posted here is part of a book it doesn’t have to do anything in reality. Innocent Non-believers and those who want to forsake Islam are being killed all over muslim world which is clear evident that none of muslim interprets the way you do (to misguide us, even I suspect you don’t believe in what you just posted here.) You should know Quraan is clear cut and as Muslim scholars say that message are straight and universal. So, this message too is not restricted to particular incidents.

THE JUSTIFICATION YOU POSTED HERE IS INVENTION OF SOMEBODIES MIND NOT FROM THE UN-HOLY BOOK QURAAN.

“There is no compulsion in religion” (Al-Baqara 2:256)
Quraan considers other religion as fake, there is no point of compulsion. You need to bring non-believers under the light of Islam thats your religious duty.

So we need to understand why this contradiction is, here is the complete analysis of the verse you quoted.

Punishment of Apostacy: Holy Quran
REFUTATION OF PUNISHMENT FOR APOSTACY
One of the foremost advocates of death as the penalty for apostacy in Islam, in his desperate search for at least one verse in the Holy Quran which might lend support to his misguided point of view, has had recourse to violating the context and meaning of one verse of the Holy Quran and to deduce from it his horrible doctrine. He has not a word to offer in explanation of the numerous verses of the Holy Quran that form the basis of the above exposition, which is proof enough that he has deliberately misinterpreted the particular verse from which he seeks to draw support. He also appears to be unconscious of the emphatic affirmation made in the Holy Quran, that there is no contradiction in it. Had there been any contradiction in the Quran, it would not be the Word of God, as is said: Will they not meditate upon the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah they would surely have found therein much contradiction. (4.83).

EVEN IF YOU POST THIS EXPLANATION IN AN ISLAMIC GROUP OR BLOG/WEBSITE. MUSLIMS WILL START ARGUING YOU FOR MISINTERPRETING THE QURAAN MESSAGE. YOU DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY IN QURAAN.
I CAN POST HERE FROM MESSAGE FROM WORLD RENOWNED AND FAMOUS MUSLIM CLERICS EXPLAINING THE PUNISHMENT OF APOSTASY. MOST OF THE MUSLIMS FOLLOW THIS AND THERE IS WELL DEFINED PUNISHMENT IN ISLAMIC GOVERNMENT TOO. (WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT, THIS IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PEOPLE ALSO UNDERSTAND AND FOLLOW THE SAME.)
SO, IN YOUR FEAT YOU WANT TO DENY THOSE MUSLIM GOVERNMENTS TOO?

So, according to you……. these verses are part of long gone history and has nothing to do with present world? Cause there is no muhammad, no enemy, no treachery, no qureshi tribe blah blah blah???
Then, why people are being killed all over world for the charge of apostasy.

I can’t believe someone like you is so desperate in proving evil as right….!!! Really The whole world is in deep sleep.

I just found another hatredness in your Allah from your verses. Just read once again.

“This is made abundantly clear by the immediately following verses which say: Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths, who plotted to turn out the Messenger from his home and who were the first to start hostilities against you? Do you fear them? It is Allah Who is Most Worthy that you should fear Him, if you are believers. Fight them; Allah will punish them at your hands and will humiliate them, and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers of fear and distress and will remove their feeling of resentment (9.13-14 ).”

Christianity says love God, he forgives everyone but Islam says Fear Allah who is most worthy, he punishes those who don’t believe.
Why should someone fear Allah? and why allah has to punish who breaks treaty?
This is treaty among humans, why should allah has to punish those person? What will happened to allah if treaty is broken? Why shold allah be worried if human kill each other and die or live peace fully together? Do allah really has to be worried about mere Humans? there will be so many other creatures in the world allah never worries but it worries about Human, this is very very biased approach man.

Doesn’t sound logical infact it is horrible. you are ( I mean Quran) is trying to spread fear among people.
Suppose, I don’t believe in Allah, so Allah will not help me in anyways? I am not his child? and he instructs his follower to kill me and that is not considered sin in islamic world. This Islamic philosophy is really disgusting. the More you read, more you feel disgusted. How can be Allah( creator) so biased and prejudiced for his own creation. this clearly shows muhammad’s lack of knowledge, ignorance about concept of world. Silly, Good and Evil both are Human tendency, though name is been given by us.
Virtue and Evil are both side of a coin. surely, Muhammad wasn’t aware of this fact.
Even to live in this world you kill creature, how will Allah take this? as gift?
I have seen muslim killing Cows, Goat on special occasion like Eid etc. and the first thing they do is to offer it to allah by mumbling some AYAT from Quraan. This is really preposterous cause Allah (The Peace God), wants blood from his own creation when he can give or take life whenever he wants (though an absurd idea)
and for this Allah has given authority to Muslims. (this is most absurd idea)

Karma and Dharma Philosophy is much better than Muhammad’s Allah Philosophy. Please read more about Karma and Dharma without God’s intervention in our world.

“You have again posted crap here:
The justification you have posted here is part of a book it doesn’t have to do anything in reality. Innocent Non-believers and those who want to forsake Islam are being killed all over muslim world which is clear evident that none of muslim interprets the way you do (to misguide us, even I suspect you don’t believe in what you just posted here.) You should know Quraan is clear cut and as Muslim scholars say that message are straight and universal. So, this message too is not restricted to particular incidents.”
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I have told you before also, I am repeating again I am not here to justifiy any person’s doing , are so called muslim people. I have and i will stand for Quran and teaching of Mohammad (as).

You can ask any Muslim all over the world have a one common understand and even make sense logically, if saying of Mohammad (as) quote by third party contradict the Quranic Verse, that saying can’t be trusted or we are miss interpreting the same.

So the saying you quoted contracted not just the Quranic verse which I listed but all the following verses

Which mean the interpretation you are suggesting is not valid
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EVEN IF YOU POST THIS EXPLANATION IN AN ISLAMIC GROUP OR BLOG/WEBSITE. MUSLIMS WILL START ARGUING YOU FOR MISINTERPRETING THE QURAAN MESSAGE. YOU DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY IN QURAAN.
I CAN POST HERE FROM MESSAGE FROM WORLD RENOWNED AND FAMOUS MUSLIM CLERICS EXPLAINING THE PUNISHMENT OF APOSTASY. MOST OF THE MUSLIMS FOLLOW THIS AND THERE IS WELL DEFINED PUNISHMENT IN ISLAMIC GOVERNMENT TOO. (WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT, THIS IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PEOPLE ALSO UNDERSTAND AND FOLLOW THE SAME.)
SO, IN YOUR FEAT YOU WANT TO DENY THOSE MUSLIM GOVERNMENTS TOO?
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Firstly not just me nor any one has the authority on Quran secondly I told you before also I repeating Islam don’t work as other religion, Quran define itself as easy for everyone so no need of Clerics. I had quoted this before also i will repeat

“There will come a time upon the people when nothing will remain of Islam except its name and nothing will remain of the Quran except its inscription. Their mosques will be splendidly furnished but destitute of guidance. Their divines will be the worst people under the sky; strife will issue from them and avert to them.” (Mishkat al-Masabih 1/91 Hadith 276)

Clear worried Muslim don’t blindly follow Muallah or Islamic Clerics

PS: I will answer all one by one.. But please don’t keep repeating the question

Again you left out most important part,
There is punishment for Apostasy in Islamic countries and it is a punishment in Sharia Law also (only for those muslims who repudiate their religion)
So, this means the Government, The People, The whole Religious community of the Muslim country approves it.
How come you deny the fact when whole muslim country approves it.

I have replied this part before also… But your short memory I am repeating again… I am not answerable to any Government or any person personal belief. I have answer and explain to you what Quran and Mohammad (as) view is.

I have mention to you.. Islam forbid blindly following any one… So if any one blindly following something without understand the logic is wrong.

@Abraham, So Now I see you deny even Islamic Governments/clerics/people.
There is not one country all Islamic country has punishment for apostasy. (only for muslims)
May be should focus you mind to learn Right Quraan with right interpretation from your fellow Muslims. I have not seen this much of confusion in people religious community for a single book. Your interpretation of Quraan is different and interpretation of Millions of Muslims out there is different. Why should I take your replies and argument as authentic…!! I would better like to talk to someone who represent real Islam like I said earlier You don’t represent true Islam. You are really living in delusioned world. You interpret different meaning for quranic verse what muhammad wanted to tell others. The message is quite clear and we all know this.

Come out my friend, you seem to know nothing about real Islam. You really need a teacher. Shall I teach you real Quraan??

@Abraham, So Now I see you deny even Islamic Governments/clerics/people.
There is not one country all Islamic country has punishment for apostasy. (only for muslims)
May be should focus you mind to learn Right Quraan with right interpretation from your fellow Muslims. I have not seen this much of confusion in people religious community for a single book. Your interpretation of Quraan is different and interpretation of Millions of Muslims out there is different. Why should I take your replies and argument as authentic…!! I would better like to talk to someone who represent real Islam like I said earlier You don’t represent true Islam. You are really living in delusioned world. You interpret different meaning for quranic verse what muhammad wanted to tell others. The message is quite clear and we all know this.

Come out my friend, you seem to know nothing about real Islam. You really need a teacher. Shall I teach you real Quraan??

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I had answer you this before also so many time.. I am not here to answer for any Government or Clerics, i am here just to stand for Quran.

I told you this also before, Quran say it is mad simple so I don’t need teacher for Quran. My interpretation may be different from what you interpret but my Interpretation is most logical and commonly accepted. As i told you before also there are 73 sects of muslim so these sect may differ at some level.

Ha ha…. As such i don’t need teacher for Quran but still if you insist, you can……
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@Abraham, Muhammad killed people, he urged his followers to kill non-believers. This is well documented in Islamic books.

You should read above link and let any of your muslim brother read, I bet there will be difference in your opinions. I suggest everyone should look at it.
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I have answered this part again.. why you always repeating the question. I will repeat in short this chapter talk about the treaty Mohammad made with non believer and this chapter discuss this issue.

Mr. N.Y. Choudhary there is no question of learning the lessons from the past when just very recently Indira Gandhi and her clan conducted Genocide id Sikhs in 1984. The Hindus are very clever at distorting the historical facts and feign victims when they are were the actual perpetrators of brutal crimes against Humanity, all along history. First they declared the working class as low caste and raped wealth and women. Secondly they collaborated with the tyrant Mogul Rulers to kill and undermine the freedom struggle of Sikhs. The largest example is the collaboration of Hindu Rajas of Hills along Punjab border with Muslim Rulers to kill and torture Sikhs because Sikh Gurus condemned Caste racism of Hindus. The major portion of Guru Gobind Singh’s battles were spent fighting Hindu Rajas who collaborating with Jahangir and Aurengjeb etc attacked Sikhs and were responsible for most of the genocidal pictures being shown in this article. It were not the Hindus but the Sikhs who suffered. The Hindus rulers of Rajisthan married their women to Muslim Rulers from Akbar’s time and have a pact with Muslim rulers to avoid any kind of harm from them. The so called father of Hindus labelled as Mahatma Gandhi collaborated with the British Rulers to pacify the masses against British. Even J.L Nehru had to describe Gandhi “as an awful old hypocrite…” Even though Nehru himself was a dreadful cheater. There is no use rummaging the dirty history of dirty role played by the Hindus against the Sikhs all along Sikh History. Its one of the longest and dirtiest Hindu history of Indian Subcontinent as far as GENOCIDES are concerned.
A.Singh

What an ignorant bloke this adjist singh guy. So called Hindu Rulers during the time of Moghul rule were PUPPETS – they were NOT HINDUS. SIKHS are HINDUS. The Hindu Rajahs you are talking about were Moghul agents THE SAME WAY , TODAY DIGVIJAY SINGH so called Hindu is a PIMP for the
Congress-ISI-Dawood-Bollwood-Islam Crime Syndicate. So would you call DIGVIJAY SINGH A HINDU…..abs. no. The same way an over libertarian Christian , who garners moslem votes in England …IS JUST BORN A CHRISTIAN , adapts a Christian name but really DOES NOTHING to DEFEND CHRISTIAN VALUES. And there are people like these HINDU RAJA’s who very conveniently served under Moghul rule , because Akbar & his lineage, gave them land , security without the need to fight . BUT MR AJIT THESE PEOPLE DO NOT REPRESENT THE HINDU PRINCIPLES. THE REAL HINDUS ARE PPL LIKE SHIVAJI , SAMBHAJI ( TORTURED TO DEATH JUST LIKE GURU GOBIND SINGH , GURU NANAK WHO DIED FOR THEIR HONOR ), PRITHVIRAJ CHAUHAN ETC. BUT THEN AJIT SINGH IS ONE OF THOSE SIKHS WHO ATTENDED NAKED GIRLS PARTIES SERVED BY PAKISTANI ISI….AND ISI …TOTALLY SUBVERTED HIM USING LUST, SUPPLYING WEAPONS….NOW the problem for ajit singh is …THERE IS AN UNDENIABLE EVENT IN SIKH HISTORY – ALL THEIR GURUS WERE MURDERED BY MOSLEMS…SO HE HAS A TASK..TO DILUTE THE BLAME AWAY FROM THE MOSLEMS ….. TOWARDS THE HINDUS . .SO IT PLEASES HIS HANDLERS IN PAKISTAN. SO THEN QUITE IRONICALLY HE COUGHS UP THIS ODD COCKTAIL STORY OF TYPIFYING HINDUS AS THOSE PEOPLE WHO COLLUDED PROUDLY WITH MOSLEMS.. WHEREAS THE TRUTH IS THE OPP. THE REAL HINDUS ARE THE ONES WHO FOUGHT SHOULDER TO SHOULDER JUST LIKE SIKHS … AND DIED FOR THEIR HONOR. THE SAME REAL HINDUS FROM RSS AND VHP …. CAME OUT SHOULDER TO SHOULDER TO HELP SIKHS WHEN CONGRESS ( == KHANGRESS ) GOONS WERE MASS MURDERING THEM AT CHANDNI CHOWK. DO NOT FORGET HISTORY AND BE GRATEFUL TO THE PPL WHO SAVED YOUR LIFE OR ELSE YOU WILL BE USED AND BLOWN AWAY ONCE AGAIN WITH THE MOGHUL CANNON IN PAKISTAN. PAKISTANI’S USED YOU LIKE GOATS TO BE SLAUGHTERED ON ID
NEVER FORGET WHO FOUGHT WITH YOU HAND IN HAND DURING 1947 AND DURING 1984. ANOTHER DISSENTING SIKH , WITH A FOOLHARDY BRAIN.

Although we have suffered for so many years; the heat that had accumulated created a diamond like Gandhi from amongst us; that is the power of Hinduism;as far as the current scenario is concerned ; Hindus have lost their sleep walking approach and are alert against any such repetition at the hands or caused due to the teachings of Islam (in general); and NOW when the whole world had seemed to have understood the root causes of Islamic atrocities in the current times and everyone in India and elsewhere must be ready against any terrorist activity get repeated at the hands of Islam and it’s teachings.
On that note I would like to end with a hope that the recent Indian Govt. will declare a national Hindu Hindu holocaust day in order to remember those who have been targeted at the hands of Islam; and Van de Mar a ram sung in schools and colleges to remember them.

Hi, I am not a follower of such blogs but just came across it as one of my dear friends shared it with me. I went through the complete article and just want to point out some things mentioned by the Admin.
The writer of the post can be of any religion (Muslim/Hindu/Christian/Sikh) but one thing from the post is clear he has a bit of hatred to Muslims. It is allowed to have hatred and share the thoughts but hiding behind the facts doesn’t make sense. Anyhow I am no one to judge as I am also a mere human.
Went through the complete blog it was an eye opener I say but some important points which I want to get it to the light of the readers. The whole blog is about people what they have done to India in the past. Agreed rulers who invaded India were from an Islamic religion but those were people. That has been a past on which if we dwell we get rage and anger but could not change it. Current state of India people has a hatred of Islam as they do not know what the religion is actually about. Blogs like these make people think Islam is a cruel religion which just wants to kill people without a cause but the truth is Muslim religion teaches people how to be Sane and how to be humans. The mere pillars on which the religion stands on loving a human being, irrespective of the religion you have to respect the person, care for them and even make them feel safe.
Currently India is divided by religion and these gaps instead of filling with understanding or love we are filling it with hatred and that hatred is created in our new generations as well. The blogs are there in the world to use it as mean to share your thoughts not increase hatred. Every person has its own decision to make but sit and think sensibly whether these blogs are worth following. You want to know how the world is working news are there watch them read them, these blogs just make you realize how the past was bad. Live in present as it’s a gift from your God. It’s a small suggestion, people post blogs if they have followers you can read a blog even without following it.
Sorry if I have hurt anyone in this post forgiveness from the bottom of my heart.

You are surely a muslim cause a non-muslim can not talk like this. Your surely lack in history and current affairs as well. The Islam may be good for muslims (though it doesn’t seem in this way around the globe)
I hate Islam, simple because of Islam. People all over the world are being killed by MUslims on the name of Islam, isnt’ it enough for you as a fact. and even if you don’t agree by saying this is just a few years in a history of thousand years. I would recommend you to just watch past filled with blood spilled on the name of Islam and Jihad. where own brothers who have been converted to Islam, living in delusion that Islam is best and Quraan is the book given by allah, There is no truth but Quraan.
These brother have killed their own non-muslim brothers.
I suppose you have not studied Indian Independence and might not have read reason for partition of India. All the Great personalities on that time recognized and clearly pointed out demon in Islam.
India is divided today because of ISLAM. Kafir, Mashrik, Jihad, Gazi, fidayeen all are worlds from Islamic religious books.
My point is Atrocities, killing, creulty towards non-muslims is approved by Quraan. Muslims take pride in waging war against anything non-Islamic, whether it is building, culture, religion or human.

At last my question is, for a minute consider yourself in a opposite condition.
Let assume Hindus had attacked Muslims and demolished their Holy sites at Mekka and Madina and built their own Hindu temples, (I know this idea is disgusting for a muslim like you but even then you just imagine..), What would be your opinion then?
WIll you still crave for peace between Hindus and Musilms and look for ideal society.
I guess, Muslims must not live under control of kafirs they should strugggle their lifetime against Kafirs this is quraanic message.

ur not able to undrstand an islam
u r a poor guy
and whatever u given in dis post its all bullshit.
u never no d real history ..
if muslim is a holocaust rlgn…
then why r d peoples accptng it in all ovr d wrld..

It is not accepted, It is forcefully done by converting thru marriages. As per my knowledge goes All majority muslim in Pakistan and India are from indian origin. Means they are from hindu background, due to the rapes and conversion of hindu womens had led the Muslim population grow. So literally every muslim in India are Hindu’s based on ancestors lived in india.

Yes you are right most of the Indian Muslim have there father or fore father or whatever the religion was present then bcoz i am not sure if Hinduism term was present at early 8th centenary,,.. but you are really wrong at the point that it happen due to rapes or marriage… even a person with common can say a people will never accept religion with force. we can keep discussing past you will have different option and I will have different option.

lets look at present bcoz we have more data to debt on … Still the islam is the fastest growing religion not just in developing countries but also in developed countries like US,UK

I don’t think any person with little bit common would stay it forcefully accepted in developed world too….

I have live examples which can explain why people once converted to Islam find it very difficult to forsake.
and this is how Muslims in Islamic countries who do not want to continue with Islam or want to quit the religion can’t not forsake it. Cause Punishment of apostasy is death.

While non-believers in non-islamic countries (agnostics/athiests/christians and others) are free to choose their religion, it is a feeling of freedom which lacks in Islamic countries.
Lets take and example of Indian sub-continent, In India every one has his right to follow any religion doesn’t matter which religion earlier he belonged to but on the other hand Non-Muslims have limited rights in Pakistan and Bangladesh which are declared Muslim countries.

Read this article below, and for non-muslims do not attempt to falsify the article, it is not from any hate site infact from a muslim site from a muslim clerics.

Why is the apostate to be executed in Islam?

As a non Muslim, I find myself Intrigued and attracted to your faith. However, I find it difficult to comprehend how a man can be sentenced to death for speaking( Salman Rushdie). I would have thought that we as humans do not have that right to make those decisions, only god can?
Praise be to Allaah.

We thank you for your confidence in us and for sending this question to us, and we appreciate your being intrigued by our beliefs and your eagerness to find out the answer. We welcome you as a visitor and reader and learner.

What stood out from your letter is that you are impressed with the religion of Islam. This is a good sign for us and for you. We are happy for our religion to reach people like you who are seeking for the truth. Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that this religion would reach all places on this earth. It was narrated that Tameem al-Daari said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘This matter (i.e., Islam) will certainly reach everywhere that night and day reach, and Allaah will not leave any house or tent [i.e., all dwellings, in towns and in the desert], but Allaah will cause this religion to enter it, and some people will be honoured because of it [by converting] and others will be humiliated because of it [for refusing to embrace it], and they will be ruled by the Muslims, an honour which Allaah will bestow on Islam and a humiliation which He will inflict on kufr (disbelief).”

(Narrated by Ahmad, 16344; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 3).

In your case, your admiration for Islam will motivate you to find out what this pure monotheistic religion teaches, and how it is in accordance with sound human nature and common sense. We advise you to avoid completely and preconceptions that may influence you and take your time in reading about the teachings of the Islamic religion. Perhaps you could read material on this site about Islam, such as questions no. 219, 21613, 20756, 10590.

With regard to your question, “However, I find it difficult to comprehend how a man can be sentenced to death for speaking. I would have thought that we as humans do not have that right to make those decisions, only god can” – what you say is correct, because no-one has the right to condemn another person to death without evidence from the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

The ruling of execution because of a word that somebody utters is what the Muslim scholars call al-riddah (apostasy). What is apostasy and what constitutes apostasy? What is the ruling on the apostate (al-murtadd)?

1 – Riddah (apostasy) refers to when a Muslim becomes a disbeliever by saying a clear statement to that effect, or by uttering words which imply that (i.e., which imply kufr or disbelief), or he does something that implies that (i.e., an action which implies kufr or disbelief).

2 – What constitutes apostasy

The matters which constitute apostasy are divided into four categories:

(a) Apostasy in beliefs, such as associating others with Allaah, denying Him, or denying an attribute which is proven to be one of His attributes, or by affirming that Allaah has a son. Whoever believes that is an apostate and a disbeliever.

(b) Apostasy in words, such as insulting Allaah or the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

(c) Apostasy in actions, such as throwing the Qur’an into a filthy place, because doing that shows disrespect towards the words of Allaah, so it is a sign that one does not believe. Other such actions include prostrating to an idol or to the sun or moon.

(d) Apostasy by omission, such as not doing any of the rituals of Islam, or turning away from following it altogether.

3 – What is the ruling on the apostate?

If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims.

The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180.

Thus it will be clear to you that execution of the apostate is something that is commanded by Allaah, when he commanded us to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority”

[al-Nisa’ 4:59]

And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has commanded us to execute the apostate as in the hadeeth quoted above: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”

It may need some time for you to be convinced about this matter, and for you to think about it. Perhaps you think that if a person follows the truth and enters into it and embraces the one true religion which Allaah has enjoined, then we allow him to leave it quite easily whenever he wants and to utter the words of kufr (disbelief) that put him outside of Islam, so he can reject Allaah, His Messenger, His Books and His religion, and there is no punishment as deterrent, how will that affect him and others who enter the religion?

Do you not see that this would make the one true religion, that everyone should follow, like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth.

Moreover, this is not someone who has never known the truth and practiced it and worshipped in accordance with it; rather this is a person who has known the truth, and practiced the religion and done the rituals of worship, so the punishment is no greater than he deserves. Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person?

In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslims’ ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God.

May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. We thank you once again.

Selective Interpretation of verses, without considering the timing and the situation of revelation…

If it would be it simply contradict the basic premise of Islam

“There is no compulsion in religion” (Al-Baqara 2:256)

So we need to understand why this contradiction is, here is the complete analysis of the verse you quoted.

Punishment of Apostacy: Holy Quran
REFUTATION OF PUNISHMENT FOR APOSTACY
One of the foremost advocates of death as the penalty for apostacy in Islam, in his desperate search for at least one verse in the Holy Quran which might lend support to his misguided point of view, has had recourse to violating the context and meaning of one verse of the Holy Quran and to deduce from it his horrible doctrine. He has not a word to offer in explanation of the numerous verses of the Holy Quran that form the basis of the above exposition, which is proof enough that he has deliberately misinterpreted the particular verse from which he seeks to draw support. He also appears to be unconscious of the emphatic affirmation made in the Holy Quran, that there is no contradiction in it. Had there been any contradiction in the Quran, it would not be the Word of God, as is said: Will they not meditate upon the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah they would surely have found therein much contradiction. (4.83).

Let us now examine the verse upon which this particular divine bases his whole thesis. It is verse 12 of Chapter 9. The context of the verse is that after the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, had migrated from Mecca to Medina, Quraish of Mecca had embarked upon hostilities against him and the Muslims for the purpose of wiping out Islam by force. Then after a period of repeated aggression on their part, God of His mercy and grace, established the supremacy of Islam in Arabia, but those who were still disaffected, and entertained hostile designs against the Muslims, and had not laid down their arms, were granted a period of four months within which to make their peace with the Muslims, failing which, the hostilities which they themselves had started, would be resumed against them. In this context it was pointed out that such of them as sincerely accepted Islam would form part of the Islamic brotherhood and there would be no question of any action being taken against them. That had been the situation all through. Those who, continuing disbelievers, concluded a treaty of peace with the Muslims, must carry out the obligations of the treaty strictly. If they failed to do so hostilities would be resumed against them. Verse II of Chapter 9 is to the following effect: If they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then they are your brethren-in-faith. We expound Our commandments for a people who possess knowledge. This is followed by verse 12 which lays down: If those who break their pledge after making a covenant and ridicule your religion, in such case fight these leaders of disbelief that they may desist, for they have no regard for their pledged word. This divine construes this verse as meaning that if those who are referred to in the previous verse as having become Muslims, should repudiate Islam, they should be fought against and subdued.

Assuming that those who repudiated Islam after having expressed their belief in it, reverted to hostilities, they would, of course, be fought against, not because of their apostacy but because of their reversion to enemy status. The issue that this divine has to face is that Islam prescribes no penalty for a simple change of faith, which involves no treason or rebellion or hostility against the Islamic State. The verse under consideration relates to the breaking of a pledge to live at peace with the Islamic State. Those who are guilty of such breach are to be fought against, as rebels or enemy aliens, and not to be caught and executed for apostacy.

This is made abundantly clear by the immediately following verses which say: Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths, who plotted to turn out the Messenger from his home and who were the first to start hostilities against you? Do you fear them? It is Allah Who is Most Worthy that you should fear Him, if you are believers. Fight them; Allah will punish them at your hands and will humiliate them, and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers of fear and distress and will remove their feeling of resentment (9.13-14 ).

It is thus clear that these verses have reference to the disbelievers who have no regard for their pledged word, and who should be guilty of breach of treaties and should be bent upon armed hostilities.

The Holy Quran on Freedom of Conscience
PUNISHMENT OF APOSTACY IN ISLAM
From one point of view the universe created by God Almighty is divided into two portions. A large portion does that which it is commanded by God Almighty to do, and thus carries out the will of God. The other portion has been given the choice to carry out God’s behest or to ignore it. This second portion is man upon whom God Almighty has conferred freedom of action.

Everything besides man carries out that which God Almighty desires it to do. For instance, the Holy Quran says concerning the angels: They do that which they are commanded ( 66: 7). From this point of view everything besides man is an angel, as it does that which it is commanded to do. The winds carry out whatever they are commanded. During a particular season the trees are commanded to shed their leaves and they do so. The fields are sometimes commanded to produce good harvests and they do so. Sometimes God commands them: I am wroth with a certain region of the earth, so let it bring about conditions of famine, and the same region which has previously produced the means of nourishment for the people, thereupon brings about conditions of famine.

Islam is the religion of nature. So far as man is concerned the notion of compulsion in human life is inconsistent with the divine project of the universe, inasmuch as if God Almighty had imposed His will upon man there would have been no difference between man and an animal, or a tree or a stone. Islam being in accord with human nature sets forth a teaching, concerning the freedom of conscience and the freedom of belief, which establishes an ideal for the world. It is not only certain religions that have permitted compulsion in matters of faith, but several philosophic conceptions are also opposed to freedom of conscience and regard compulsion as permissible. Islam does not permit anything of the kind. Islam has established an ideal standard in respect of freedom of conscience. God Almighty has said in effect: This is the religion of nature which comprises perfect guidance. A perfect Book has been revealed. No other teaching fulfils human needs to a greater degree, nor provides greater beneficence for man, nor discloses to man more clearly the ways that bring man nearer to God. It is Islam alone which has thrown open to man all the gates of approach to God. It imposes no compulsion nor does it permit any. In Islam God says: I account compulsion as evil. I proclaim freedom of conscience and guarantee freedom of belief.

Reflection upon the Holy Quran reveals several aspects of this teaching. For instance, it is said: Proclaim, O Prophet, O mankind the Truth has indeed come to you from your Lord. Then whoso follows the guidance, follows it only for the good of his own self, and whoso errs does so only to his own detriment. I am not appointed a keeper over you (10: 109).

Here the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, has been commanded to proclaim to mankind that perfect truth has been presented to them in the Holy Quran in the form of the teachings of Islam. He who accepts it does so only to his own good” and he who goes astray does so only to his own loss. The Holy Prophet is commanded to proclaim that he is not responsible for the people. They them- selves have to provide for their own good, or to earn the wrath of God Almighty. This is not his business. Every soul must bear this responsibility for itself.

It is pointed out that every path that guides to the gardens of the pleasure of God Almighty has been described in the Holy Quran. It is the business of man to tread along them of his own free will, or to turn away from them of his own will. The Holy Prophet, peace be on him, bears no responsibility in that behalf, nor would he exercise any compulsion in respect of it.

Again it is said: Proclaim O Prophet: This is the truth from your Lord; then let him who will, believe, and let him who will, disbelieve. We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire which covers them like a canopy (18:30).

YOUR VIEW:————————————————————————————–
Holy Quran on Freedom of Conscience
PUNISHMENT OF APOSTACY IN ISLAM
From one point of view the universe created by God Almighty is divided into two portions. A large portion does that which it is commanded by God Almighty to do, and thus carries out the will of God. The other portion has been given the choice to carry out God’s behest or to ignore it. This second portion is man upon whom God Almighty has conferred freedom of action.
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MY ANSWER:
WE DO EXACTLY WHAT GOD HAS MADE US TO DO
1.) Every creature born here to survive and evolve with time.
We humans are surviving and evolving, we do everything to ensure our existing.

2.) Every animal has been given born responcibilty to take care its progeny to ensure its future
We humans do the same, we still care our children our kids more than anything.

3.) Supremacy over other races/ living being. This is ultimate objective in the war of survival of fittest on earth.
We humans have achieved this goal and still holding the position. yet, we are unaware of future.

4.) Nature has instructed every race/life to met and produce one of its kind.
We humans are still following the same law.

Now lets discuss about your notion, you are talking about a very low level philosophy, that means only among human, while deducting this philosophy Muhammad didn’t not consider animals/other creature worthy for God.
God, if you think he is almighty can do wonderful things for human to follow his orders. He doesn’t have to pursue other men wasting Years of time to persuade other humans to follow his way or be killed. This is a very ludicrous Idea, you know. I am sure He will never send Prophet like Muhammad.
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YOUR VIEW:————————————————————————————–
Everything besides man carries out that which God Almighty desires it to do. For instance, the Holy Quran says concerning the angels: They do that which they are commanded ( 66: 7). From this point of view everything besides man is an angel, as it does that which it is commanded to do. The winds carry out whatever they are commanded. During a particular season the trees are commanded to shed their leaves and they do so. The fields are sometimes commanded to produce good harvests and they do so. Sometimes God commands them: I am wroth with a certain region of the earth, so let it bring about conditions of famine, and the same region which has previously produced the means of nourishment for the people, thereupon brings about conditions of famine.
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My Answer : –
Who told you “besides man”? Why man is able to deny God Almighty orders? How come Man are so powerful that then can every carry out work against God’s desire?
So, you attribute the natural phenomena on God’s Will, You are stepping into science dominion, Mate. Seems, you have gone back to medieval age while talking. A medieval age person can be gullible but You can’t just get as much gullible people in modern era. We all know why trees shred leaves, why winds blow and Earthquakes come dues to movement in geographical plates.
Surprisingly, when everything happens with God’s will why not human follow his will. He can infuse his orders like embeded chips in remote device and control us. and this is not new cause a typical human born with many emotions and pattern of feeling. like feeling of hunger, hurt, sex eextra.
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Your view : ————————————————————————————–
Islam is the religion of nature. So far as man is concerned the notion of compulsion in human life is inconsistent with the divine project of the universe, inasmuch as if God Almighty had imposed His will upon man there would have been no difference between man and an animal, or a tree or a stone. Islam being in accord with human nature sets forth a teaching, concerning the freedom of conscience and the freedom of belief, which establishes an ideal for the world. It is not only certain religions that have permitted compulsion in matters of faith, but several philosophic conceptions are also opposed to freedom of conscience and regard compulsion as permissible. Islam does not permit anything of the kind. Islam has established an ideal standard in respect of freedom of conscience. God Almighty has said in effect: This is the religion of nature which comprises perfect guidance. A perfect Book has been revealed. No other teaching fulfils human needs to a greater degree, nor provides greater beneficence for man, nor discloses to man more clearly the ways that bring man nearer to God. It is Islam alone which has thrown open to man all the gates of approach to God. It imposes no compulsion nor does it permit any. In Islam God says: I account compulsion as evil. I proclaim freedom of conscience and guarantee freedom of belief.
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MY Answer: —-
Here you are very ambiguous, Religion of Nature???
Religion of Nature means the religion which obey and respect laws of nature and creation. Does Islam do that? I have never heard before even at some place I read that Allah has created the whole world for his most adorable creation Human. Human is free to consume in this creation in any way it wants. Allah has made enough for everyone so need not worry about availibility. This is most common philosophy among Muslims and thats why they press on the fact to have more and more children to serve Allah and this is probably answer to your question why Muslim population is growing all over world.

What compulsion are you talking about, first of all Human is no different than animal except developed mind. Human too have compulsion like animals. Your book is wrong in observing this fact. if God has imposed work to other animals same he has imposed on Humans. so no difference (You need further study)

Now about Islam, it exerts more compulsion than any other religion. Lets see how.
1.) You can’t eat pig.
2.) There is compulsion on art too. (just think )
3.) You have to wear burqa. (what is it)
4.) You have to nawaz 5 times a day. (isn’t it a compulsion)
5.) Many places in book, Allah himself threat human, that I will kill you, murder you, burn your skin eternally if you don’t follow me. (isn’t it compulsion)

I remember an old book, Muslim kings often used to prosecute Sufis saints for deviating away from Quranic doctrine. You know even today Sunnis kill shias/ahmedis/Yajidis for not following the real Islam. Are Shias Evil? This is clear case of compulsion. Islam doesn’t accept even a slightest deviation from Quraan.

Where is freedom of belief ? where is freedom of expression? Where is freedom of consience? you can achieve Ideal World with only religion in the World “Islam”.
This is how ISIS (khalifat) formed. and this what they want to do >> To establish an Ideal world based on Islam”. Then nothing wrong with their philosophy, Right Abraham?
one question : If god has to pass his message to Human being (who are most adored by god), he can directly pass it to Humans. why need to send prophet and why is so much of killing? when it can happen in second. I don’t think it is hard for god to communicate individual man? He can broadcast his message to Human mind. Doesn’t he?

” This is the religion of nature which comprises perfect guidance ”
(The perfect guidance to Jihadis)

The complete “No compulsion verses” easy to understand

2:256: “There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.”
2:257: “Allah is the protecting guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are the rightful owners of the Fire [of Hell]. They will abide therein [forever].”

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Your View : —————————————————————————–
Reflection upon the Holy Quran reveals several aspects of this teaching. For instance, it is said: Proclaim, O Prophet, O mankind the Truth has indeed come to you from your Lord. Then whoso follows the guidance, follows it only for the good of his own self, and whoso errs does so only to his own detriment. I am not appointed a keeper over you (10: 109).

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Then Why muslims are eager to take responsiblity of all human, just like example is you. If we non-believer think Islam is an evil religion then why do you care. Don’t you follow your own book. We will be responsible for ourself. but I don’t see this muslim attitude of teaching their own evilness to the world. Believe me there is nothing good in your book, it contains compulsion from begining to end.
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Your View : —————————————————————————————-
Here the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, has been commanded to proclaim to mankind that perfect truth has been presented to them in the Holy Quran in the form of the teachings of Islam. He who accepts it does so only to his own good” and he who goes astray does so only to his own loss. The Holy Prophet is commanded to proclaim that he is not responsible for the people. They them- selves have to provide for their own good, or to earn the wrath of God Almighty. This is not his business. Every soul must bear this responsibility for itself.
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My Answer :
I don’t have to make any remark on this, Your Prophet was not holy as per my consience. He may be holy in your religion but He was an evil person as per my opinion. Again, why should god wrath upon human, for a humanly mistake?
I can understand if a human make a Godly mistake then is is liable for God’s punishment but this is unfair his is liable for Gods wrath for his earthly mistakes.

If a tiger kills a true muslim (who has strong faith in allah). Will the tiger be punished by Allah for killing his devout follower?
You seem very unreasonable like you always do. hahahahaha
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Your View :—————————————————————————————
It is pointed out that every path that guides to the gardens of the pleasure of God Almighty has been described in the Holy Quran. It is the business of man to tread along them of his own free will, or to turn away from them of his own will. The Holy Prophet, peace be on him, bears no responsibility in that behalf, nor would he exercise any compulsion in respect of it.

Again it is said: Proclaim O Prophet: This is the truth from your Lord; then let him who will, believe, and let him who will, disbelieve. We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire which covers them like a canopy (18:30).
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My Answer : ——————–
Have you seen Garden of Allah? How does it look like? What I can do in that Garden? What do we feel being in that garden? Where exactly that Garden is situated? How many of you really have reached/seen Garden of pleasure of Allah?
If Muhammad or any muslim don’t bear any responsibilty then why do you muslim push us other so much to change our opinion about Islam.

AGAIN A VENOM FROM YOUR ALLAH, I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY HE HATES NON-MUSLIM SO MUCH THAT HE WANTS TO KILL/ TORCHER THEM IN DIFFERENT WAYS: YOU HAVE YOURSELF PROVED THAT YOUR ALLAH HAS NO LOVE TOWARDS NON-MUSLIMS.
“Again it is said: Proclaim O Prophet: This is the truth from your Lord; then let him who will, believe, and let him who will, disbelieve. We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire which covers them like a canopy (18:30).”

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Now take one example : A man follows single God, he has full trust in him. He also follows Laws of nature and has never done anything wrong in his life. Over all he is a good devotee person.
but he hates Islam and he denies the description of Allah by Quraan. He doesn’t support the Ideas of Muhammad and his philosophy.
@Abraham, As Muslim what is your opinion about the person like him?

“You have again posted crap here:
The justification you have posted here is part of a book it doesn’t have to do anything in reality. Innocent Non-believers and those who want to forsake Islam are being killed all over muslim world which is clear evident that none of muslim interprets the way you do (to misguide us, even I suspect you don’t believe in what you just posted here.) You should know Quraan is clear cut and as Muslim scholars say that message are straight and universal. So, this message too is not restricted to particular incidents.”
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I have told you before also, I am repeating again I am not here to justifiy any person’s doing , are so called muslim people. I have and i will stand for Quran and teaching of Mohammad (as).

You can ask any Muslim all over the world have a one common understand and even make sense logically, if saying of Mohammad (as) quote by third party contradict the Quranic Verse, that saying can’t be trusted or we are miss interpreting the same.

So the saying you quoted contracted not just the Quranic verse which I listed but all the following verses

Which mean the interpretation you are suggesting is not valid
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Your point ========================================================

EVEN IF YOU POST THIS EXPLANATION IN AN ISLAMIC GROUP OR BLOG/WEBSITE. MUSLIMS WILL START ARGUING YOU FOR MISINTERPRETING THE QURAAN MESSAGE. YOU DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY IN QURAAN.
I CAN POST HERE FROM MESSAGE FROM WORLD RENOWNED AND FAMOUS MUSLIM CLERICS EXPLAINING THE PUNISHMENT OF APOSTASY. MOST OF THE MUSLIMS FOLLOW THIS AND THERE IS WELL DEFINED PUNISHMENT IN ISLAMIC GOVERNMENT TOO. (WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT, THIS IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PEOPLE ALSO UNDERSTAND AND FOLLOW THE SAME.)
SO, IN YOUR FEAT YOU WANT TO DENY THOSE MUSLIM GOVERNMENTS TOO?
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Firstly not just me nor any one has the authority on Quran secondly I told you before also I repeating Islam don’t work as other religion, Quran define itself as easy for everyone so no need of Clerics. I had quoted this before also i will repeat

“There will come a time upon the people when nothing will remain of Islam except its name and nothing will remain of the Quran except its inscription. Their mosques will be splendidly furnished but destitute of guidance. Their divines will be the worst people under the sky; strife will issue from them and avert to them.” (Mishkat al-Masabih 1/91 Hadith 276)

Clear worried Muslim don’t blindly follow Muallah or Islamic Clerics

PS: I will answer all one by one.. But please don’t keep repeating the question

@Pallav and all other PROUD Kafirs like me.
There is a “dogs tail” and a moslems brain that are always BENT & CROOKED. If you do anything they WON”T STRAIGHTEN UP . I CAN EMPATHIZE with all you Intelligent , Educated and Civilized Kafirs , when you try and say the last word to STFU Mr Abraham ( real name ibrahim now disguised ) but YOU SEE , HE IS ON HAARAM’S MONEY – HE SUCKS MONEY “OFFICIALLY AND PROUDLY” FROM THE SOCIETY HE LIVES ( UK BENEFITS , US – SOC SEC., INDIA – SUCKING THE TITS OF SONIA AND RAHULS PUSSY )…..AND THEREFORE HE HAS NO WORK TO DO . HE IS UNEMPLOYED “FOR GOOD” ( pun intended. See the 2 meanings .? ….”for bad” yeah he could be splattering the Q-Rand over all his fellow cockroaches and funding other terror activities ).. WE HAVE OTHER WORK TO DO……
THE THING IS MOSLEM PPL WHO COME TO THIS DISCUSSION HAVE ALREADY MADE A JUDGEMENT EVEN BEFORE THE CASE IS ARGUED….. BY GIVING THESE VALID AND TRUTHFUL ARGUMENTS…. DO YOU THINK YOU CAN CHANGE IBRAHIM ….OR EVEN FOR THAT MATTER MR GOOLCZAR AKA GULZAR (who likes to boast his secular credentials so some cock sucking news reporter publishes his shit or congress ka bhoosdaa gives him ticket == Essentially here to take benefits from minority appeasement ). THE PEOPLE WHO ARGUE FOR PISSLAM OVER HERE ARE ALREADY RABID DOGS READY TO BITE. IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY WE CAN TAKE THESE DOGS WHO DONT WANT TO GET CURED , DOWN AND HELP PREVENT THE SPREAD OF PISSLAM ( ENGLISH VERSION ) OR ISLUND ( Indian Version ) or ISLAM VIRUSES.

LETS NOT WASTE TIME ….DO SOMETHING “FRUITFUL” PALLAVBHAI or BROTHER ADMIN ( I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN ).
INVEST THE SAME TIME OVER SOMETHING THAT’LL GET YOU RESULTS AND YOU HAVE SOME SATISFACTION THAT YOU DID SOMETHING GOOD. MY 2 CENTS.

The kind of language you used i can understand your mind set. Leave it btw I am not here to fight.

With your comment i can see how much logical you are talking and who is coming with preset mind set.

You stay happy, I will not bother you again…. You people keep living in illusion and keep promoting hatred but as it is said in Mundaka “Satyameva Jayate” it doesn’t matter how hard you shout the truth will be truth…

Tc… and enjoy your life 🙂

PS: I am sorry if I hurts any bodies sentiment, specially Pallav, I hope you didn’t take it personal. I was hoping for a constructive debate, I guess we also did, at least I have learn lot from you. Pallav thanks for been patient and proactive in debate.

My french may sound unpleasing but your so called debates that RENDER A TOTAL DENIAL OF THE HINDU HOLOCAUST are even more despicable. DAVID IRVING DID THE SAME THING , WITH THE HOLOCAUST DENIAL OF JEWS DURING ww2 and they THREW HIM IN JAIL. WHAT BURNS ME IS WHY HOLOCAUST DENIERS OF ISLAMIC ORIGIN LIKE YOURSELF ARE OUT THERE IN THE OPEN AND IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS so called Debaters , instead of being jailed.
Instead of writing pages and pages of facts to convince someone to accept their ill deads which was’nt even close – I told them to do something +ve instead like helping those innocent Kafirs trapped with the Nepal earthquake , or Syrian Christians being murdered by ISIS or Jews in Israel being killed by Hamas. It looked like they were just playing by you, instead of setting the record straight .
Pallav and Other Kafir Brothers. I wish you all the best in your endeavors to cure the world against the islam virus

..”i have never denied the holocaust I always had and will have the stand that this holocaust was not motivated by Islam or Quran or Mohammad’s teaching.”
== Jews were killed . Holocaust happened. But Nazi Philosophy ( == Islam ) or Hitler ( == mr mohammed ) had nothing to do with it. They are innocent. Just another dodge-ball game. See…that is why its not worth wasting time & effort .
..”Rising our voice against ISIS”
After 26/11 Burkha Dutt interviewed “innocent muslims” who condemned the attack ( == “do damage control” for pakistanis & moslems and paint a false pic that moslems are innocent, while innocent non Moslems get murdered) . Yeah as if someone cares for your politically correct words .

” you don’t need to hate to people to establish peace…”
No one is hating people. That would be you moslems who hated non m’s for 1500+ yrs . We hate the philosophy.
We hate the hatred ( == islam ) that you pushed upon us for 1200 yrs .

Last said .. I am out of here.
@Pallav , Admin..good luck trying to straighten the dog’s tail.

Please don’t sow the seeds of hatred over religion.. I could not read the article completly the tone is very disgusting.. You sound as bad as people you describe as the article..

Please don’t entrust the feeling of hatred among children of yours and mine.. Above religion we are humans.. Let’s respect humanity.. People are what they are brought up like.. Let’s not bring up our children in that communal atmosphere..

What ever your or mine forefathers did had nothing to do with our kids.. Nor can we change it.. What only we can change is the future of these children.. And let’s make it a good one.. Of respecting another human being.. No matter what religion or caste or creed he or she is.. Let’s teach him to respect all equally..

Humble request please remove such posts which encourages such emotions..

Sir you seem like a reasonable person. Hence I would want to ask you this question, as I wanted ask this to some some sensible muslim.

When muslims kill non muslims in Syria, Yemen , Pakistan, Bangladesh or India in the name of Islam, why are all my peace loving muslim brothers like you are quiet. Why does only Non Muslims raise their voice? Why does not a peace loving muslim raise his voice against another muslim who is killing. Its humans dying at the end of the day right? Then when the reaction starts coming from other religions these peaceful muslims starts giving lessons in Peace. Remember every time you shield a muslim killer in the name of peace you are encourage him for his next round of killings. You should be the first person before anyone to punish them before any non muslims takes a reaction to it. What are your thoughts?

@VASTU,
I have been writing in this blog for around last 3 months, None of Muslim I found is reasonable. You blame them, they will dig up something very very old about Hinduism and justify killings by saying oh this all has happened in Hinduism/other religions too then where is the difference.
A true Muslim is the most unreasonable being cause he has sold out his reason to Allah and Quraan.

Vastu and Pallav: Blaming is not what is done. We do raise our voice feel embarassed about those people who call themselves muslim and kill people.

Whether they kill Non muslims or Muslims they are killers. People who stand with them irrespective whether they are muslims or not are wrong people. How do we raise our voice is by helping people who are effected through fund raisers charity try to reach them by all means and make them understand that everything is going to be all right.

Pallav a true muslim is the most reasonable person and will show you how those people who be unreasonable are hypocrites.

I may not be able to answer all your questions but will try to be as reasonable as I can be and be truthful to.

Thats the issue my friend , people or media don’t talk about positive news… You can name any incident i can list you 100s of Muslim organisations and 1000s of muslim Indiviual who condemning and called these acts are non islam.

Ok, Mr. Reasonable Muslim… Tell me why 90% of all the terrorists, killers, comes from Muslim communties all around the world.
I am sure it is not about the culture, education, political conditions cause every where you will find different attitude, environment and education, races etc.

The only thing which common is Quraan and its teaching. I have heard Muslim boasting about this Unique feature of Islam again and again.
Perhaps this is the reason for terrorism too.

I do not blame, I am showing you the facts. The difference is you completely ignore my facts and defending Killings and genocide in Islam while others understand the facts too. These all things are attact reason which surely lacks in Muslims.

Mr Goolczar ….its NOT about revenge. Its NOT about Muslims either.
“You will never try to understand and solve the problem.”…
YES its imp to solve the problem. AND the problem is NOT moslems .
Its the perverted philosophy of islam that RSS / VHP / Christians / Jews / Buddhists are up against. If you don’t realize this – you are imbecile. Liberal leftists like YOU are trying to convert Eur-ope into “Is Ape” (Islam’s land of Apes ) and same goes to india. Whenever a certain faction of population enjoys special privileges without being worthy of it – so that a bunch of scumbag politicians ( congress – Dawood- ISI – Bollywood Crime Syndicate or similar leftist politicians in Sweden Spain France UK etc ) can maintain power , the common people out there – be it Hindus , Christians and Jews , will come out in the open and say “hey ..fuck that” .
Muslims are human beings just like all other people in this world. At a personal level – there are good ppl among them too ( Sir Salman Rushdie ) .. )….. problem is ISLAM . What makes a cute little puppy , bite like a rabid dog ..is that VIRUS called Islam and the DNA of that virus lies in Q-Rand ( aka Koran ) . AND therefore , to save our own lives – we have 2 options .
Option # 1 – CURE that puppy from rabies ( == convert to some other religion like Christanity , Hindusim or Judaism . Prefer to Judisam to other religions -since Mohandas Gandhi said love the person you hate most. So if they become Jews and fight for Israel – Gandhi would be happpy and Nehru too “more diversity in Unity” )
Option # 2 : Puppy can’t be cured then take it down than be bitten by a rabid dog .

If We ( Collective Dhimmis / Kafirs like myself ) hated Moslems – there’d be no difference between us and Nazis .
The question is WHO is pulling the trigger 1st – US OR THEM ? your so called revenge is actually tolerant society’s REACTION to the problem.
I you are in a crowded train- someone with high heels steps over you with force – what’s your 1st reaction ? Do you say “My Dear Sir . It looks like you forcefully stepped on my shoe… I request you to take it out … “ OR do you just thrust him aside and out of the way . WHAT’S THE INSTINCT MR GOOLCZAR ? WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SCOLDING ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO PUSH ASIDE THOSE PEOPLE WHO STAMP ON THEIR FEET ……YOU ARE POINTING FINGER AT THE REACTION. NOT ACTION

I am a Muslim and i am ready to opt for your first option… you spoke of so many religion give me one religion among them which you are confident will make me better person then i am currently. I promise i will be standing with you

…”give me one religion among them which you are confident will make me better person ..”
HERE – DO THIS AS MANY TIMES AS YOU DO NAMAZ AND YOU WILL BE A BETTER PERSON . …
— during Namaz hrs …. take the Koran…BURN IT…SAYING. THIS ..” I am symbolically burning the EVIL in this book written by a pedophile, rapist , arsonist and plunderer….I ask Allah for forgiveness…..”
— SIT Inside a dark room. Turn off the lights and then bring back ALL the pictures in this article in your mind and think “how could we be this bad”….
— I will communicate to ALLAH directly without a messenger. The messenger gave us Satan’s message not Allah’s .
— Go to 10 more moslem brothers and tell them this and
then see how you feel.

For that matter….EVEN IF YOU DON’T TOUCH THE KORAN FOR 30 DAYS …NO NAMAZ ….. AND READ SOME OTHER SCRIPTURE… SAY BUDDHIST ( BECAUSE you already have framed opinion on Christians Hindus Jews etrc ) …EXCLUSIVELY …. and follow those precepts .
Then come back and see the difference. You were following Satan’s messenger not Allah’s …you will realize.

You donot need religion to be better human start believing inhumanity and treat all human as brothers and sister. Thats what Hinduism teach and same is taught by Sufism. God can found in inside you by meditation it be through Music of Sufism or Mantra jap, you donot need to go to a Temple or Mosque for it.

Ha ha… we are talking about religion of love and peace which will make me better human but you starting with hatred …. why should i hate some one to love some one? still may be that the way human become better human, may be i don’t know the way.

I have read about Buddhist and i have attended various session, I can bet if we compare ours sermon attendance, mine will be more..

I will be wrong if i judge your knowledge of Buddhism by number of session. As i am new to Buddhism, i have small question, what should i do when my country is on war, or some is beating me, or a girl is getting raped in front of me. what should i do.. Please give your answer from Bhudha’s teaching

But Islam also teaches me same to respect other Human being, I don’t see any reason for changing my religion then. I will quote teaching for Quran which say the same

“Whosoever killed a person – unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land – it shall be as if he had killed all mankind. ” (Al Maidah, Ch.5: v. 33)

I respect and really believe in your thought that God can be found if we concentrate in your being.. Beautiful teaching, way be differ whether it Mantra, sufism, pooja or namaz, etc. It just person’s self belief.

But Karma Just we also need a guidelines who should i live his/her life. Like we have constitution of India which guide us keep an order in the society or we have traffic rule which make the traffic smooth. In this way we need a proper guidelines we can leave everything on everyone’s will. Some people may like to theft, or some want to rape , etc.

@Abraham, I request you to please don’t put Quranic Verses here. I know and I have read the book, I have read Allah treating human from Suras to suras of punishments for not following his rules/Islam or even quitting it. He himself wants to murder people, burn them alive, rip the skin off and give eternal punishment.

You perhaps want to look at some of them,

Verse 9:111 – Muslim’s passport to paradise

“Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.”

Islam teaches that if Muslims slay or are slain (kill or are killed) in the service of God, i.e. Jihad, they are guaranteed accession to Allah’s paradise of depraved sexual perversity. Islam’s Paradise is filled with whorish virgins possessing voluptuous breasts and lustrous eyes. Muslims, blessed with an access to Paradise, will have 72 such virgins to engage in incessant copulation. Furthermore, a Muslim’s surest way of getting a passport to Paradise, says Allah, is to get slain while trying to kill the kafirs. The Quran is no more a holy book than Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler are holy books. Indeed, the Quran is worse in that it incites unrestrained murder of infidels.

Quran 9:5 (the infamous verse of the sword inciting mass murder):

“Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

Verse 9:5 teaches Muslims to commit mass-murder. The kafirs must either convert to Islam, who would keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate (zakat), or be murdered. Command for unconditional slaying of humans, God’s own creations, by other humans – when presented as a sacred teaching of the almighty Creator – becomes a most evil teaching. Needless to say, such teachings never came from God.

Quran 9:29:

“Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Here, Allah the Islamic God commands Muslims to attack and kill the so-called ‘people of the book’ (i.e. Jews and Christians), until they are defeated and submitted to the supremacy of Islam and, in willing humiliation, pay jizya (submission) tax to Muslims. Like verse 9:5, 9:29 is a call to mass murder and extermination. Only Hitler had openly instructed his followers to exterminate the Jews so completely. When such a teaching is presented as a teaching of the Creator of the Universe, it becomes extremely evil

Quran 5:32-33 (THE ONE WHICH YOU JUST REFERED HERE)

“We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.

READ EXPLANATION : .” whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind,” We can killeth a human being for manslaughter and corruption in the earth and it will not be the killing of all mankind.

And what does the exception “corruption in the land” mean. All human beings who do not convert to Islam have declared war on Islam and Allah, are a danger to Allah, and therefore have created corruption in the land and must be murdered. All Apostates of Islam by rejecting Islam are creating corruption in the land. Muslim women who demand equality with men are creating corruption in the land. All Muslim girls who refuse to obey their fathers by adopting Western culture are creating corruption in the land. And on and on.

Verse 5:33 says:

“The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;”

Teachings as contained in this verse – “they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land” – are cruel and barbaric in nature. When those teachings are presented as God’s, it becomes extremely evil, no better than those Hitler had committed.

THIS IS HOW ISLAM IS BEST RELIGION FOR PEDOPHILES

Quran 65:4:

“And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed divorce period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens) (give birth) and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.”

The most important duty of any species is the care and protection of its young. The prime duty of mankind is to raise children in a safe and caring environment, so they can progress into responsible adults. There is no worse crime than the sexual abuse and exploitation of children. But verse 65:4 clearly approves marriages and sexual copulation with pre-pubescent little girls, who haven’t started menstruating yet. And Muhammad at the age of 50 duly complied with this sanction of Allah by marrying his niece Aisha, only 6 years old. This is an extremely evil teaching. Allah is a pedophile monster.

Verse 33.50 says:

“O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those [slaves] whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her – specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful”.

The term “possessions of the right hand” mean slaves. It is expressly stated that Muhammad’s slaves, which he attained as a share of the captives in raiding infidels communities, were actually given to him by Allah Himself. And Allah also makes raping them halal for Muhammad (and his Muslim followers).

The verse also gives a special privilege to Muhammad to marry as many wives as he desires, beyond the restriction of four wives for ordinary Muslims. When God’s teachings encourage a people to wage wars to capture the women for raping as well as encourages His holy prophet to engage in unrestrained marriage for sexual gratification, there can’t be a teaching as evil as this in such matters.

Quran 24:2 says:

“The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, — flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.”

This verse says that Muslims must not have mercy on people, who commit adultery or fornication, and punish them brutally with 100 lashes in public. However, since other verses in the Quran specifically allow men to have sex slaves, the horrible crime of serial rape against a non-Muslim woman is not considered adultery or fornication and would not be punished as the woman would be considered God-given concubine.

What kind of person could flog a woman 100 times for having sex with the man she loves? On the other hand, Islamic God, evil as He is, allows men to force sex upon their unwilling wives (verse 4:34). Undoubtedly the God of Islam is out and out barbaric to sanction evil teachings such as these.

There is a gigantic tie for the tenth most evil teaching. There are 3,990 teachings of the Quran that are equally evil. All these teachings are immoral depravity. Not being words/teachings of Moral Perfection – the Quran is not Moral Perfection and therefore not from God, therefore Allah is not God but the AntiGod and Muhammad is no prophet. Following is a very small sample of further Quranic depravity.

TORTURE

Quran 22:19-22: “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”

SLAVERY

Quran 2.178: “O you who believe! retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain, the free for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female, but if any remission is made to any one by his (aggrieved) brother, then prosecution (for the bloodwit) should be made according to usage, and payment should be made to him in a good manner; this is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy; so whoever exceeds the limit after this he shall have a painful chastisement.”

You kill one of my slaves, females or free man and I’ll kill one of your slaves, females or free man.

BARBARIC CRUELTY

Quran 5:38: “Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done-a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise.” 39 “But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful.”

EYE FOR EYE

Quran 5:45: “And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed such as wrong-doers.”

BEHEADING

Quran 8.12: “Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

There are 75 teachings of beheading in Quran.

SLAUGHTERING

Quran-8:67: “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.)

The Quran is a mine of most evil teachings human history has ever seen. Islam is out and out Evil in the Name of God™.

Your urself quote the Actual meaning of the verse, if you have question with mean you can ask.. I don’t know how come you come conclusion

Verse 9:111 – Muslim’s passport to paradise

“Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.”

how come from the above verse in conclude this

“Islam teaches that if Muslims slay or are slain (kill or are killed) in the service of God, i.e. Jihad, they are guaranteed accession to Allah’s paradise of depraved sexual perversity. Islam’s Paradise is filled with whorish virgins possessing voluptuous breasts and lustrous eyes. Muslims, blessed with an access to Paradise, will have 72 such virgins to engage in incessant copulation. Furthermore, a Muslim’s surest way of getting a passport to Paradise, says Allah, is to get slain while trying to kill the kafirs. The Quran is no more a holy book than Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler are holy books. Indeed, the Quran is worse in that it incites unrestrained murder of infidels.”

“Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

Verse 9:5 teaches Muslims to commit mass-murder. The kafirs must either convert to Islam, who would keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate (zakat), or be murdered. Command for unconditional slaying of humans, God’s own creations, by other humans – when presented as a sacred teaching of the almighty Creator – becomes a most evil teaching. Needless to say, such teachings never came from God.”

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First you forget to mention the previous verses which make the context clear…

Quran 9:4

Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

These verses are talking about a treaties Mohammad Signed

These tribes were Banu Khuza ah, Banu Mudliji, Banu Bakr,Banu Damrah and some of the Banu Sulaim tribes. The verse incidentally throws interesting light on the sancity that Islam attaches to treaties and agreements

I can’t give You the complete history of the incident here but it is clear these verses narrate the incident.

“We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.

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READ EXPLANATION : .” whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind,” We can killeth a human being for manslaughter and corruption in the earth and it will not be the killing of all mankind.

And what does the exception “corruption in the land” mean. All human beings who do not convert to Islam have declared war on Islam and Allah, are a danger to Allah, and therefore have created corruption in the land and must be murdered. All Apostates of Islam by rejecting Islam are creating corruption in the land. Muslim women who demand equality with men are creating corruption in the land. All Muslim girls who refuse to obey their fathers by adopting Western culture are creating corruption in the land. And on and on.

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How come you interpreter “Corruption in land as Human beings who don’t convert”

Corruption in land simple mean some wrong doer, may be murder, rapest, so on like Indian constitution punishment up to hanging

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Verse 5:33 says:

“The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;”

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Teachings as contained in this verse – “they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land” – are cruel and barbaric in nature. When those teachings are presented as God’s, it becomes extremely evil, no better than those Hitler had committed.

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So what I understand your problem with this verse is punishment is severe .. right?

Firstly it a complete debate in itself, should we have so severe punishment or not, or should we have death penalty or not..

Still I will give an idea here you can do research yourself

In this world there have been always two reason for punishment:

1) Punishment the wrong doer for what he has done
2) Make the wrong doer the example for others so that no one dare to do the exact again.

I will keep this discussion upto you reasoning of judgement .. but as an example when we had Nirbiya’s rape case people we had a long debate on this .. people were coming out and asking for Punishment which will be an example for others

“And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed divorce period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens) (give birth) and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.”

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The most important duty of any species is the care and protection of its young. The prime duty of mankind is to raise children in a safe and caring environment, so they can progress into responsible adults. There is no worse crime than the sexual abuse and exploitation of children. But verse 65:4 clearly approves marriages and sexual copulation with pre-pubescent little girls, who haven’t started menstruating yet. And Muhammad at the age of 50 duly complied with this sanction of Allah by marrying his niece Aisha, only 6 years old. This is an extremely evil teaching. Allah is a pedophile monster.
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Ha ha.. first I kind of feel sorry for you.. just check out the marriage and divorce system prescribe by Islam there is no example of such a beautiful system

Now answer to your question…. Again how come ” clearly approves marriages and sexual copulation with pre-pubescent little girls, who haven’t started menstruating yet.”

Verse clearly mention two kind of woman, first for whom the menstruation is stop usually above 45 ( average no.) , but it add if you are in doubt about whether is ended or not then you have to wait for 3 month

Second type of woman with normal menstruation period, but menstruation period didn’t happen ( as it happen everyone month and one month it just skip) ,this may happen due to some disease or stress etc. again wait period is mention

In both the cases wait period , firstly due to two reason first, may be the girl is pregnant and secondly it give boy and girl second change if things work out.

Quraan verse 4:6

And test the orphans [in their abilities] until they reach marriageable age. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them. And do not consume it excessively and quickly, [anticipating] that they will grow up. And whoever, [when acting as guardian], is self-sufficient should refrain [from taking a fee]; and whoever is poor – let him take according to what is acceptable. Then when you release their property to them, bring witnesses upon them. And sufficient is Allah as Accountant.

Clearly mention there is a marriageable age, secondly i have used this verse to show how Quran not even mention to take care of your young one but also of Orphans

And about Age of Hazrat Aisha her age was 21 years at the time of marriage you can check this for more details

Verse 7th
Verse 33.50 says:
“O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those [slaves] whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her – specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful”.
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The term “possessions of the right hand” mean slaves. It is expressly stated that Muhammad’s slaves, which he attained as a share of the captives in raiding infidels communities, were actually given to him by Allah Himself. And Allah also makes raping them halal for Muhammad (and his Muslim followers).
The verse also gives a special privilege to Muhammad to marry as many wives as he desires, beyond the restriction of four wives for ordinary Muslims. When God’s teachings encourage a people to wage wars to capture the women for raping as well as encourages His holy prophet to engage in unrestrained marriage for sexual gratification, there can’t be a teaching as evil as this in such matters.
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Before I answer this, as it has some, I would like to present to you the beautiful teaching of Islam. Yes you are right “possessions of the right hand” mean slave. In Quran slave word is never mention whenever it had to talk about there condition it has used “possessions of the right hand”. In Islam we do good thing with our right hand.
Now coming back to you Question.. first you said .. rape of slave if halal.. I can’t understand how come you make this interpretation re read the verse, it clearly list the woman whom Mohammad can marry, List goes on as “and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you”. Look at the beauty of Islamic teaching it give equal right for slave to get marry as it do the other girls.
You second question, about marriage of Mohammad, I would just say for every marriage of Mohammad there was a reason, you can learn about the life of Mohammad then you can understand this. How come you say it was for sexual gratification, I don’t want to say but just look at how you have destroyed you own teaching and make 16k wife… lets image.
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Verse 8th
Quran 24:2 says:
“The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, — flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.”
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This verse says that Muslims must not have mercy on people, who commit adultery or fornication, and punish them brutally with 100 lashes in public. However, since other verses in the Quran specifically allow men to have sex slaves, the horrible crime of serial rape against a non-Muslim woman is not considered adultery or fornication and would not be punished as the woman would be considered God-given concubine.
What kind of person could flog a woman 100 times for having sex with the man she loves?
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I have discussed the Punishment style Islam follow, Islam follow a punishment style which it better we to give severe punishment to demotivate people in future to commit the same crime.
Now your question is do rape against a non-Muslim or slave is not considered adultery? I want to understand how come you conclude that when the verse clear just mention the Man or woman irrespective of their religion, so it clear from this verse it is applied to all man and all woman and in all cases of adultery or rape.
Your second point to “What kind of person could flog a woman 100 times for having sex with the man she loves?”… Here you are forgetting punishment for both or same, I mean for woman and also for man. Now I would give an example to make you understand, there was video “My choice” check out this video and the responses you will understand.
And the most important point Quran has clearly given mention it important for you to get marry. If the man or woman is in love they should get marry no one is stopping.
I never expect this question from you, where on valentine day if boy and girl is found sitting together they are forcibly married together. Ha ha…
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Verse 8b

Your view============================================================
On the other hand, Islamic God, evil as He is, allows men to force sex upon their unwilling wives (verse 4:34). Undoubtedly the God of Islam is out and out barbaric to sanction evil teachings such as these.
There is a gigantic tie for the tenth most evil teaching. There are 3,990 teachings of the Quran that are equally evil. All these teachings are immoral depravity. Not being words/teachings of Moral Perfection – the Quran is not Moral Perfection and therefore not from God, therefore Allah is not God but the AntiGod and Muhammad is no prophet. Following is a very small sample of further Quranic depravity.
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Verse 4:34 ( I wounder how come you just put the reference but didn’t mention the Verse)
Men are guardian over women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Now tell me how where in this verse you understand that force sex which you mention… Please don’t put things on Quran which Quran didn’t mention
Is verse clearly said, as God has created guardians for everyone, like for child is born he/she as his/her mother or father to help him/her, protect his/her. So According to family, male should be playing this role, yes Quranic teaching are so detailed and clear what the role of whom.
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Verse 9
Quran 22:19-22: “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”

My reply=======================================================
Again just the parts of the complete chapter… in these verses God tell the man kind of fire he will be dealing with in hell. In these verses God create a fear in man to do good deeds and forbid from evils so that you are saved from hell. Example a Mother tell a kid don’t go out otherwise baba will come.
Read some for verses around to get some idea of the topic from 22:16-22 http://quran.com/22/16-22
Now you are quoting verse without context, just think if I don’t put the complete context of the Mahabharata and tell a person that Krishna asked Arjun to kill just own cousins and your duty is fighting you should fight
What kind of impress the third person will get
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Verse 10
Quran 2.178: “O you who believe! retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain, the free for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female, but if any remission is made to any one by his (aggrieved) brother, then prosecution (for the bloodwit) should be made according to usage, and payment should be made to him in a good manner; this is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy; so whoever exceeds the limit after this he shall have a painful chastisement.”
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You kill one of my slaves, females or free man and I’ll kill one of your slaves, females or free man.
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The expression the freeman for freeman and the slave for salve and the female for female, doesnot mean that a freeman should not be punished with death for the murder of a slave or that a woman shouldn’t be put to death for killing a member of the opposite sex, etc the other verses of the Quran as well as the sayings and the practice of the Holy Prophet clearly establish the fact of a party was never considered a bar to the application of this law. The peculiar construction, i.e. “the freeman for freeman”,.etc had been adopted here to refer to and abolish a custom of Arabs whereby they used to take into consideration the sex and the social status of the murderer and the murdered person when determining punishment
I would just quote the last sermon of Holy Prophet in which clarify, there shouldn’t be any kind of discrimination:
“All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white has no superiority over a black, nor does a black have any superiority over a white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action.”
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BARBARIC CRUELTY
Quran 5:38: “Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done-a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise.” 39 “But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful.”
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Your answer it yourself in the next verse. Just reread it. And as far as barbaric cruelty is mention I have answer this too in the previous verses. Why so severe punishment
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EYE FOR EYE
Quran 5:45: “And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed such as wrong-doers.”
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Before answering I would like to thank you, as these questions are helping me to put forth the beautiful teaching of Islam.
Now As such I don’t get your question, you mean if somebody kills me my family should not file a case, or somebody laterally damages my eye, I shouldn’t go to court? If that’s your view point is I would say you are wrong, very one has the right of getting justice.
Look at the teaching of Islam, it clear say everyone has the right to get justice, but it add if you can forgive and you should forgive because it’s kind of charity. I think there couldn’t be more beautiful justice system than this.
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BEHEADING
Quran 8.12: “Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
There are 75 teachings of beheading in Quran.
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It was revealed in 2 A. H. after the Battle of Badr, the first battle between Islam and kufr. As it contains a detailed and comprehensive review of the Battle, it appears that most probably it was revealed at one and the same time.
This Chapter describe the condition during war.. don’t read this book….. read any book on the war this sense will be like these only.. And particularly at that time war were fought with sword and hitting at the upper part of the body was most common act.
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SLAUGHTERING
Quran-8:67: “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.)
The Quran is a mine of most evil teachings human history has ever seen. Islam is out and out Evil in the Name of God™.
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It was a practice among pre-Islamic Arabs (and it is regrettable that practice still continues in some part of the world) to take men captives even if there was no war and no fighting and then to make them slaves. The verse abolishes this evil custom and lays down in clear words that it is only in war and after regular fighting that enemy combatants can be taken prisoner and that it is not lawful to take any person captive when there is no war and there had been no fighting
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Mr Article writer: U do not have sense… u r shameless senseless person who is doin ths without thinking anything… u shud stop doin these kinda things tht only break d nation… u shud think when d britishers had us slaves they never gave it a damn tht wht was d religion of us… they only considered us only Indians… I request u to becom Indian… At least for the sake of d sacrifice of the martyrs who gave their lives jus to give u this free nation… have shame… be a human… be Indian…

@Mohammad, I am a nationalist Indian and I believe For future development of India, Islam is one of the big hindrance. At every important moment in our History Islam has played is vital evil role for which we could achieve desired success.
How on earth you can talk about Free Nation??
The Nation became free later first it was divided on the name of Islam. (read about 1946-47 and subsequent riot in all muslim majority places.
I see India is again on the verge of another division (read about issue of Kashmir) because of Muslims/Islam. so just piss off the blog. This ain’t for you, this blog is targetted to our ignorant apathatic Hindu/sikhs/jains/buddhist brothers.
The British had us slaves, Yeah right but how can you forget that These British were the liberators for us (Hindus) from The Muslims oppression all over India.
I can’t imagine of Big Hindu temples like Akshardham in the era of any extreamistic Muslim rule. In Muslim ruling states I can’t imagine hindus condition better than today’s Pakistan.

See, Now Muslims are bycotting Yoga day (21st june) in India. The reason they give is very illogical. They say Yoga is a way of Hindu worship hence, we can’t do Yoga. None of the religion in the world has problem. United nation has declared 21st june as Yoga day unanimously. Then, why muslims are having so much of problems.
I have said before, Muslims have always been problem and hindrance in development of India. This is yet another proof

During 12th century, when Genghis Khan brutal attacked Iran and Afganistan and two-third of entire male population and raped all their women, the Sayyids who are descendants of Mohammad fled to India and India gave them refuge. They should be thankful to Hindus for this. Later during 13th century, Genghis Khan son Tamur and all illegitimate products of rape of Genghis khan’s army who converted to Islam started attacking peaceful India. According to latest research, 0.5% total male population of world have Y chromosomes of Genghis khan means their Grandmothers were raped by Genghis khan during 12th century and most Muslim population of Afganistan, Iran and central Asian countries are rape product.

…”U shd know a little more abt history… Gengis khan was not a Muslim”
….AKA HITLER WAS NOT A NAZI
—AKA …DAWOOD IBRAHIM IS NOT THE GREATEST TERRORIST, DRUGS AND PROSTITUTE FINANCIER IN THE WORLD
— AKA …Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi heads a humanistic organization like UNICEF and not ISIS …
—AKA according to moslems who follow pisslam – Holocaust never happened.

Islam give these fierce Invader WING, to fly out far region of the world and prosecute people on the name of Islam. It game them reason to kill, murder non-believers for centuries. and We still don’t see end to this Islamic holocaust.

I dont know about history and i dont give a fuck about history.
I just know that you guys likes to enjoy the fighting of two religions.
What do you want to say with these articles.” Come on other religions muslims have done this to you now its time to take revenge.”
then people like you will sit back and enjoy.
You will never try to understand and solve the problem.

Mr Goolczar ….its NOT about revenge. Its NOT about Muslims either.
“You will never try to understand and solve the problem.”…
YES its imp to solve the problem. AND the problem is NOT moslems .
Its the perverted philosophy of islam that RSS / VHP / Christians / Jews / Buddhists are up against. If you don’t realize this – you are imbecile. Liberal leftists like YOU are trying to convert Eur-ope into “Is Ape” (Islam’s land of Apes ) and same goes to india. Whenever a certain faction of population enjoys special privileges without being worthy of it – so that a bunch of scumbag politicians ( congress – Dawood- ISI – Bollywood Crime Syndicate or similar leftist politicians in Sweden Spain France UK etc ) can maintain power , the common people out there – be it Hindus , Christians and Jews , will come out in the open and say “hey ..fuck that” .
Muslims are human beings just like all other people in this world. At a personal level – there are good ppl among them too ( Sir Salman Rushdie ) .. )….. problem is ISLAM . What makes a cute little puppy , bite like a rabid dog ..is that VIRUS called Islam and the DNA of that virus lies in Q-Rand ( aka Koran ) . AND therefore , to save our own lives – we have 2 options .
Option # 1 – CURE that puppy from rabies ( == convert to some other religion like Christanity , Hindusim or Judaism . Prefer to Judisam to other religions -since Mohandas Gandhi said love the person you hate most. So if they become Jews and fight for Israel – Gandhi would be happpy and Nehru too “more diversity in Unity” )
Option # 2 : Puppy can’t be cured then take it down than be bitten by a rabid dog .

If We ( Collective Dhimmis / Kafirs like myself ) hated Moslems – there’d be no difference between us and Nazis .
The question is WHO is pulling the trigger 1st – US OR THEM ? your so called revenge is actually tolerant society’s REACTION to the problem.
I you are in a crowded train- someone with high heels steps over you with force – what’s your 1st reaction ? Do you say “My Dear Sir . It looks like you forcefully stepped on my shoe… I request you to take it out … “ OR do you just thrust him aside and out of the way . WHAT’S THE INSTINCT MR GOOLCZAR ? WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SCOLDING ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO PUSH ASIDE THOSE PEOPLE WHO STAMP ON THEIR FEET ……YOU ARE POINTING FINGER AT THE REACTION. NOT ACTION.

Well said Pakichoodu,
One man converted to Islam is like a new zombie is born and ready to bite others.
Hence, to liberate the world from this muhammdans fabricated hatredness we, collectively bycott this evil ideology.

I am a Muslim and i am ready to opt for your first option… you spoke of so many religion give me one religion among them which you are confident will make me better person then i am currently. I promise i will be standing with you

The Problem is Islam and whole world is trying to solve the problem yet solution of problem is very simple, Total Annhilation of Islam from Globe but our decent Non-Muslims do not have courage to say this in public. After all We are not like Muslims who go on videos and issue Fatwas to kill all Non-muslims HIndus, Buddhists, Christians for the sake of Allah and Quraan.
There are not one or two case, there are atleast thousands different case have been found all over the worlds where Muslims are opening preeching hatredness for other religion. This is the war started by Muslim but hopefully we will finish.
as Krishna says in Geeta ” The war may be started by you, but I will surely finish it in the end.”

@Abraham,
I have ponder over this quite a lot. There are three different reason
1.) Muslims are making too much efforst in spreading Islam, You see Thousands of Islamic website claiming to teach Real Islam.
Too much of material available very easily on Islam.
Gulf and other muslim countries are channeling lot of money towards this internet Jihad. Even in chat group you will hundreds of room on Islam, debate on Islamic topic etc. Its seems whole of the Islamic community is bend on converting a every single Non-Muslims.

2.) Many of the Muslim guys from Middle East, Pakistan and other Islamic countries are migrating to Europe, Us and other developed countires, The first thing they do is to find women prey and marry and convert them. there are thousand of such cases in only UK.

3.) From my observation and reading History, I have observed it is easy for Islam to trap agnostic christian and buddhist. Hence, those athiest or agnostic who have been converted to buddhism easily can be persuaded to convert to Islam. (this perhaps due to few similarities between Islam and buddhism,)

In modern world, other than Islam no religion is being peddled so systematically, using all modern techniques, be it technological, psychological, managerial or financial, of the highest level. So no doubt Islam is the fastest growing religion. It is an open secret that the Saudis spends millions to spread their kind of islam (Wahhabism), preaching wholesale hatred against all other religion, for so many years, throughout the world. Zakir Naik is just one of its method targeted to certain class of audience. The thousands of madrassas are catering to another class etc.

Why after the fall of Muslim rule of India the conversion stopped?
Why, so much effort in a gigantic scale being taken to convert / spread islam?
Why, the Indian / Hindu concept of ‘As Many Faiths, so Many Paths’, not acceptable to the follower of the so called ‘Religion of Peace’?

Please read Platypus Dreaming .. a prophecy to get a different perspective on your self and one another. It’s available online as e reader or paperback from Barnes and Noble or Xlibris online bookstores.ISBN 978-1-5035-0448-6

i read nothing new, muslim/christian, christian/jew, untouchable/brahman etc, I’ve used no caps on the nouns because no one is more or less important than another and none of you (like me) has control over what crosses the screen of your minds., All thinkable thoughts are there, and are only manifested when the big “I” consciousness, the ego, attaches to the thought and brings it into the physical world. All the different cultures have grown from the same earth base and express characteristics intrinsic to those soils, but it doesn’t make the one better than the other, merely complimentary/different, each providing a slightly different perspective from which we can view the total organism that is you/me/us. One man’s food is another man’s poison and this cannot be regulated by law, only by respect for the totality of who and what we are. It is time to rise above the pettiness of belief and instead act with respect for the One that is all of us, the birds, the animals, the lakes, the trees, the skies and the deeper heavens. It’s all a part of you, you and you, no part better than another.

someone here in this blog said, Islam is the best religion in the world.
Nobody said christianity is the best religion
Nobody said Hinduism is the best religion
nobody boasted about his/her religion.
because our religion doesn’t teach us to compare with other religions.
But Islam not only instruct to compare but it also give a quasi feeling to its follower that their religion is the best and rest are fake.
This point should be noted cause this is main source of hatredness and killing.

In modern world, other than Islam no religion is being peddled so systematically, using all modern techniques, be it technological, psychological, managerial or financial, of the highest level. So no doubt Islam is the fastest growing religion. It is an open secret that the Saudis spends millions to spread their kind of islam (Wahhabism), preaching wholesale hatred against all other religion, for so many years, throughout the world. Zakir Naik is just one of its method targeted to certain class of audience. The thousands of madrassas are catering to another class etc.

Why after the fall of Muslim rule of India the conversion stopped?
Why, so much effort in a gigantic scale being taken to convert / spread islam?
Why, the Indian / Hindu concept of ‘As Many Faiths, so Many Paths’, not acceptable to the follower of the so called ‘Religion of Peace’?

Some of muslim rulers of india were never recognised as muslims by the standard because they deviated from the real teachings. This includes Shah Jahan and Akhbar. In fact Akhbar declared himself god.
As Asoka has butchered hundreds of thousands hindus, he is also deviated from his scriptures.
We should x judge a religion based on the rulers believe. If so, than Hitler who is charged to be responsible for 6 mil jewish insuneration, we cant held christian responsible for him.