.....two recent polls, including one with the most negative ratings on health care, reveal through follow-up questions that a significant number of people who oppose current plans do so because they don't go far enough rather than because they go too far.Not only is it absurd to suggest that these people would rise up against Democrats for passing the president's plan, it is far more likely that they would join others who support the plan and punish those who tried to block reform or voted against it.

.....two recent polls, including one with the most negative ratings on health care, reveal through follow-up questions that a significant number of people who oppose current plans do so because they don't go far enough rather than because they go too far.Not only is it absurd to suggest that these people would rise up against Democrats for passing the president's plan, it is far more likely that they would join others who support the plan and punish those who tried to block reform or voted against it.

I guess we will all know how the people feel about this in the next election! Personally, I believe alot of Washington Types will be out of a job! We all should know that surveys are done on a "Target Group" depending what they want it to reflect. "If you tell people horse crap tastes good long enough, they will start to agree with it."

Besides the new taxes, penalties and IRS enforcement powers your children can look forward to indoctrination, green jobs, social and environmental justice.

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SEC. 343. ADVISORY COUNCIL ON GREEN, HIGH-PERFORMING PUBLIC SCHOOL FACILITIES.

(a) ESTABLISHMENT OF ADVISORY COUNCIL.—The Secretary shall establish an advisory council to be known as the ‘‘Advisory Council on Green, High-Performing Public School Facilities’’ (in this section referred to as the ‘‘Advisory Council’’) which shall be composed of

Unless they posted an update in the last 24 hours, the bill that's posted is not the actual reconciliation bill, it is a placeholder so the committees can start marking up. The games that are being played on this... I wouldn't expect the real language to be posted until maybe 24 hours or so before the vote is scheduled (72 hour public posting promises be damned), and probably not until the CBO score comes back (can't actually stand by bill language that might break the faux $1 Trillion "ceiling" that has been set on this whole health care reform mess). That's assuming they can even come up with language that both the Senate and the House dems can agree on. For this deem and pass scheme, or even for a quick follow up reconciliation bill after a vote on the senate bill in the house, to work the bill they come up with in the house needs to be prearranged to pass the Senate without a second round of negotiations after the house passes it. This need for no back and forth negotiation after the house passes the reconciliation bill is why your hearing about things like nation wide medicaid funding and federal college loan take overs in the reconciliation bill, they need to buy off Dems that wanted obfuscated abortion funding as part of the final total reform package and they need to buy off at least one Republican in the Senate.

First we lost unskilled labor jobs and their products, then we lost skilled labor jobs and their products. Now, professional jobs are leaving for China.

When will the left understand that heavy regulation, high taxes, and wealth redistribution ( including unions, welfare, government bailouts, and soon, universal health care) are the root of our destruction?

.....two recent polls, including one with the most negative ratings on health care, reveal through follow-up questions that a significant number of people who oppose current plans do so because they don't go far enough rather than because they go too far.Not only is it absurd to suggest that these people would rise up against Democrats for passing the president's plan, it is far more likely that they would join others who support the plan and punish those who tried to block reform or voted against it.

I guess we will all know how the people feel about this in the next election! Personally, I believe alot of Washington Types will be out of a job! We all should know that surveys are done on a "Target Group" depending what they want it to reflect. "If you tell people horse crap tastes good long enough, they will start to agree with it."

pvolcko wrote: I wouldn't expect the real language to be posted until maybe 24 hours or so before the vote is scheduled (72 hour public posting promises be damned)<emphasis mine>, and probably not until the CBO score comes back (can't actually stand by bill language that might break the faux $1 Trillion "ceiling" that has been set on this whole health care reform mess).

FAIL! It was posted this morning with a vote scheduled for Sunday afternoon. Lesse if we can figure the math out...Friday afternoon would be 24 hours, Saturday afternoon would be 48 hours, and Sunday afternoon? 72 hours!

http://www.rules.house.gov/bills_details.aspx?NewsID=4606This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.

‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—Subsection (a) shall not apply to any individual (andany qualifying child residing with such individual) for any period if suchindividual has in effect an exemption which certifies that such individualis a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described insection 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings ofsuch sect or division as described in such section.

‘‘(B) EXEMPTION.—An application for the exemption described in subparagraph(A) shall be filed with the Secretary at such time and in such formand manner as the Secretary may prescribe. Any such exemption grantedby the Secretary shall be effective for such period as the Secretary determinesappropriate.

CBO scoring shows that the bill will save $138B in the first decade and "zero to .25% of the GDP" in the subsequent decade (which translates to about $37.5B).

Quite frankly, that's peanuts. Furthermore, the savings simply come from a redistribution of wealth specifically from the wealthiest to the poorest. This law will face considerable legal challenge. 37 state's Attorneys General have suits ready for filing.

When one considers that government social spending programs have typically been underestimated by a factor of seven, the cost to the US budget in the next twenty years for this program could exceed $1 Trillion.

pvolcko wrote: I wouldn't expect the real language to be posted until maybe 24 hours or so before the vote is scheduled (72 hour public posting promises be damned)<emphasis mine>, and probably not until the CBO score comes back (can't actually stand by bill language that might break the faux $1 Trillion "ceiling" that has been set on this whole health care reform mess).

FAIL! It was posted this morning with a vote scheduled for Sunday afternoon. Lesse if we can figure the math out...Friday afternoon would be 24 hours, Saturday afternoon would be 48 hours, and Sunday afternoon? 72 hours!

http://www.rules.house.gov/bills_details.aspx?NewsID=4606This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.

I admit, I'm surprised they managed to pull together language in time for proper posting requirements. It's good that they did. I'd congratulate them if what they were trying to do wasn't so horrendously bad and if the prospect of using Deem and Pass weren't still on the table (by majority vote no less, even sadder). I hope they don't actually use that procedure for this. After all of this, if they can't be honest enough to give a clean up or down vote on the actual senate bill, separate from the fix bill, they betray their motives as being not to serve and be accountable to the people, but rather to accomplish their goals by any means necessary.

Lastly, I note that the CBO score is preliminary only, also that the score, preliminary or not, will be worthless once it gets mauled in the Senate due to reconcilliation rules violations and the amendment process.

But at least they managed to follow their own rule and pledge to get the crap sandwich follow up "fix" bill for the much derided and undesired health care reform bill posted 72 hours before the vote. Boo yah.