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Fri, 18 Aug 2017 05:03:33 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=4.8.1By: Paul in KYhttps://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/01/10/world-news-with-pictures/#comment-4128769
Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:35:57 +0000http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=123300#comment-4128769People should checkout a great Sublime song called ‘Date Rape’.
]]>By: cckidshttps://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/01/10/world-news-with-pictures/#comment-4126285
Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:15:42 +0000http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=123300#comment-4126285@Mnemosyne: I saw this on Facebook & after a lifetime as a woman hearing how to “avoid being raped”, I thought this was a great twist. It’s along the lines of the Edmunton ad campaign, addresses the guy’s responsibility.

Let’s put the responsibility where it’s supposed to be. Here are some tips on preventing rape:

1. Don’t put drugs in someone’s drinks.
2. When you see someone walking by herself/himself, leave them alone.
3. If you pull over to help someone whose car has broken down, remember not to rape them.
4. If you are in an elevator and someone gets in, don’t rape them.
5. Never creep into someone’s home through an unlocked door or window or spring out at them from between parked cars, or rape them,
6. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public.
7. Don’t forget: it’s not sex with someone who’s asleep or unconscious – it’s RAPE.
8. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone ‘by accident’ you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can call for help.
9. Don’t forget: Honesty is the best policy. If you have
every intention of having sex later on with the person you’re dating regardless of how they feels about it, tell them directly that there is every chance you will rape them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, they may take it as a sign that you do not plan to rape them
and inadvertently feel safe.
10. Don’t rape.

Imagine taking one of these guys into an internet cafe in Brooklyn or Queens. Would his head just explode?

There was a movie with Robin Williams from the 80’s, he was an emigrant from the USSR, came to the US. The first time he was in an American grocery store, he had a complete meltdown in the coffee aisle. Too many choices!!

The N.Korean guys would be similar.

]]>By: schrodinger's cathttps://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/01/10/world-news-with-pictures/#comment-4126245
Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:58:21 +0000http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=123300#comment-4126245@TooManyJens: Hear hear, I think that definitely explains the reasons behind the recent spate of violence against women in Northern India.
]]>By: a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)https://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/01/10/world-news-with-pictures/#comment-4126238
Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:56:18 +0000http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=123300#comment-4126238@Mnemosyne: That’s exactly why it can be so effective. It can make the behavior shameful rather than tolerated – when “that guy” gets called out regularly for being that guy (ideally before it happens, or at least before it happens again) the incidence will decrease. The population of “that guy” men can be shamed into behaving better, much like Kay describes with teen moms and car seats.

Part of the way Steubenvilles happen is that it’s tolerated by the surrounding males, and sometimes females. In the (extremely disturbing) video of Michael Nodianos gleefully describing the multiple sexual assaults of an unconscious 16 year old girl, only one guy there says “what is wrong with you – that’s rape.” And he is pretty much shouted down by the others.

]]>By: Paul in KYhttps://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/01/10/world-news-with-pictures/#comment-4126154
Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:15:13 +0000http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=123300#comment-4126154@Mnemosyne: I don’t think those guys exist. They all know it isn’t right to have sex with an unconcious woman, they just don’t give a shit.

I really don’t think that this is necessarily true–both men and women buy into the “its not really happening if I’m drunk/she’s drunk” model of social interaction. A lot of people seem to need alcohol either to relax or to lose their inhibitions and they may assume that others around them are doing the same for the same reasons. Men who need alcohol to get up the courage to interact with women may believe that women are using alcohol to diminish their own responsibility for choosing sex. There is and always has been a huge cultural bias among some communities against women freely choosing to be the agressor w/r/t sex and the line between seduction and rape, or being a seducer and a rapist, can be very thin.

I think its significant that this campaign reduced rape by 10 percent. That’s huge. But its huge within a certain subset of social behavior. 90 percent of rapes were not affected–perhaps that’s because a whole lot of other rapes are not rape by mistake but rape for its own sake. The linked article says “imagine what we could do with a full on campaign that spans decades” and I couldn’t agree more. I believe we could reduce Rape of all kinds60 to 80 percent, if not more, by creating better social conditioning for potential rapists, by attacking rape culture, and by attacking the social settings in which individual bad acts become encouraged and validated by the group (as in the Steubenville and the Indian situation). Gang Rape and these rapes-as-male-social-bonding event need to be tackled both as an instance of individual choice (as the Ad does) and as something different, something more akin to being jumped into a criminal gang.

aimai

I want to edit this comment because the “line between…thin” doesn’t at all mean that I think that people slip between seducer and rapist imperceptibly or permissibly or that people being seduced are somehow responsible if they get raped. I really, really, really, don’t mean that.

]]>By: ranchandsyruphttps://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/01/10/world-news-with-pictures/#comment-4126098
Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:37:42 +0000http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=123300#comment-4126098Steubenville is right in Cole’s area but we haven’t heard anything from the FPers about that town full of “that guy” and the heroic enabling/coverup by the sheriff, prosecutors and townsfolk.
]]>By: cyntaxhttps://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/01/10/world-news-with-pictures/#comment-4126090
Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:32:14 +0000http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=123300#comment-4126090@TooManyJens:

Exactly this. When my wife was a freshman in college, they brought all the women into one of the auditoriums for a talk about campus safety (i.e. how not to get raped at frat parties). The question she wishes she’d asked was, “Are the freshmen boys getting their own lecture?” Of course they weren’t.

I’m all in favor of conscious raising and public shaming of guys who think the line between sexual assault and respectable behavior is in any way blurry or hard to see.

There are guys out there who really are stupid enough to not realize without being told that a woman being passed out drunk is not a free pass to have sex with her unconscious body.

But, as others have said, this seems to be more of a social campaign so that if that guy does start heading over to the couch, his buddies will say, “Hey, what the hell are you doing?” rather than ignoring it.

]]>By: Roger Moorehttps://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/01/10/world-news-with-pictures/#comment-4126059
Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:17:24 +0000http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=123300#comment-4126059@schrodinger’s cat:
I actually like Whole Paycheck for their meat. Yes, it’s expensive, but I like to be able to buy meat that I can have some confidence was raised ethically. Also, too, buying meat at something closer to its real ecological cost (i.e. stuff that wasn’t fed on unsustainably raised corn and soy) discourages me from overindulging.
]]>By: schrodinger's cathttps://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/01/10/world-news-with-pictures/#comment-4126050
Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:12:59 +0000http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=123300#comment-4126050@Roger Moore: Not a big fan of jackfruit, but I love the seeds, you need to boil them before eating though. Taste a bit like chestnuts.

ETA: Tropical fruit that I have never seen in the supermarkets that I really miss, custard apples.