to think that "society" is forcing people to sit and listen to people who are associated with a system that includes sex education in the curriculum for 11 and 12 year olds with a teacher they don't know scares me an awful lot. Teach parents to teach their own children things lke this.

school - i'd rather have stayed climbing trees and running through the fields laughing and having fun with my friends. this society is inducing depression from school entry age and punishing " hyperactive" children who've probably been used to doing a lot of exercise, by making them take ritalin. this really scares me.

sitting in school most days for over 6 hours a day for 11 years + to learn how to "work" sitting at an office desk for 8 hours a day.

the obvious results being shown in the commonwealth and olympic games.

I don't go to a University to get a job. I go to school to grow as a person and to give me a few years in my life where I can learn about myself and other topics that I couldn't learn if I was out of school.

As to white people not being fit...please. This has been argued so many times. Don't use race as an excuse.

Well, I dont see the University as any one of those things. You can grow as a person elsewhere and not distract people who want to be there to learn the material presented. It is a place for academic education, not self education. You would think people would get enough exploration time when they are younger since school isnt really that rigorous until after you graduate from high school and even then I found it not to be too taxing for the first couple years. If you grow as a person while you educate yourself, that is fine but that shouldn't be your primary reason to attend.

I have asked some of my friends younger siblings "Why are you going to college and why are you majoring in that?" and I have heard "Because college is an experience and that major sounds fun." This saddens me. If you dont know what you want to study, you shouldnt just show up, you should do something else until you know what you want to do. Perhaps I am a little prejudice because I am a scientist and I find a lot of the fluff majors to be just that, fluff. In addition, these majors really dont force the students to learn anything useful or rigorous and in most cases they could have learned this by just doing it in far less time. This ends up giving the world a bunch of people that have a degree but no real skills. This is not to say there are not successful people in English but these are the people that will succeed at everything because they know what they want to do and work hard. There are hundreds of people who graduated with an English major at my school and I wonder, what are those people going to do now? They make salaries barely better than high school graduates.

Society doesnt force you to do anything, you choose to do it or your parents choose for you. If they chose wrong for you Im sorry but after you are 18 you can do something else if you are so against their ways. There is no reason to take personal regret and turn it into a reason to give up. Being successful is about taking those regrets and turning them into knowledge you can use to succeed later.

What is wrong with sex education for 12 year olds? It is called education, the world needs more of it. With population growth being one of the most global problems and teenage pregnancy being a pretty serious social problem, I think this is a fantastic choice on the part of the educators. the sad truth is they had to do something because parents are doing less for their children than they used to do.

Even if white people aren't as fit, is that anyone's fault besides the white people? What/who exactly are you blaming for white people's lack of performance? You could blame the computer you are typing on since without it we wouldnt have as many desk jobs where people can sit around all day getting "unfit."

If you really take a look at it, it isnt white people, it is American people. Look at USA's basketball performance over the past decade and a half. We got the best players to win as the first dream team and won easily and then we lost interest immediately. These guys were mostly black but they still stopped caring. Americans are spoiled are in sports for the money a lot of the time and the olympics dont really help them out so they choose not to pursue success in the olympics.

It seems like you have a lot of opinions that are based on false information and assumptions about what it takes to succeed. Underneath it all, this is the reason Americans aren't fit: we don't know everything anymore (if we ever did which we didn't) but we still act like it and you can see all around the rest of the world pass us by. If you want to be fit not just at sports, but at life as well, then you should gain as much knowledge as you can and learn how to use it to succeed.

Malcolm Forbes said "Education's purpose is to replace and empty mind with an open one." I take that quotation to heart.
If I just want academic education, that's essentially vocational training. Why don't I just go to one of those technical schools I see on TV and learn my job? Because I don't want that. I don't want to learn how to do a job. I want to learn about who I am as a person and figure out what really interests me. People go to school for different reasons. This is my reason.

It is great that you found out early on what you wanted to do with your life. I wish I had that level of foresight. Unfortunately, not many people are in the same boat as you. Calling other majors "fluff" is disrespectful. You can say business majors have it easy because they don't have to take Thermo or E & M. The fact of the matter is, they're different, that's why they aren't in the same school. You can't make comparisons between things that shouldn't be compared. As to be belonging to their "fluff" majors, as long as they are passionate about what they are doing, they will be fine. Your level of success has very little to do with what you majored in college. It's called working for yourself.

Vocational training is completely different from an academic degree. As I said, there is nothing wrong with figuring yourself out along the way but that shouldn't be your number one reason for going.

I dont believe it is disrespectful, they are easy. Whenever science majors change their majors or double major with the social sciences and liberal arts, the science students are at the top of their class again, even if they are taking more courses than the social sciences majors in the case of double majors. Those are real statistics. The fact of the matter is the university is producing countless number of people who are not prepared to get a job that is sustainable. These people invariably come from places other than science majors. I did note that passionate hard working students would likely succeed no matter what but the majority would not. That is because they didnt learn anything while in college besides how to drink beer.

Majoring in something more rigorous is a strong indicator (not the only one) of success later in life. We would benefit more if we had 500 more engineers and 500 fewer English majors.

The fact of the matter is the university is producing countless number of people who are not prepared to get a job that is sustainable. These people invariably come from places other than science majors.

My university's accounting school would like to have a word with you. On average, they make more money than any engineer would.

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Majoring in something more rigorous is a strong indicator (not the only one) of success later in life. We would benefit more if we had 500 more engineers and 500 fewer English majors.

That sounds surprisingly socialist. Who is to decide what people should major in? Physics is no better than poetry or art. They are DIFFERENT.

I have to agree with Ryan. I have known a lot of career students. They do seem to be wasting time. Now someone could go to a junior college and get a lot of general study type course done while they figure it out. That wouldn't be too bad. You would probably have to take a few more classes then you otherwise would have needed when you go to the university, but that's better then trying to figure it out there. I have also seen people with anthropology or liberal arts degrees that pretty much said "Do you want fries with that?" until they went back and got something else. Really though if you want to go to school for that long you might as well get a PHD.

Well I can see what the problem is based on the 2 drugs she attacked by name and the way she writes and what she talks about. The ADD is SO obvious. Then some kind of delusional type disorder maybe.

Ideally, each person would decide what he or she majors in. This would be ideal if each person knew what they were best at. Too many people chase degrees that make them unhappy because they are not good at them. I want to make this distinction clear: there is a difference between something being hard and something being over one's head. Perhaps they could succeed at it if they had better preparation like Ironman suggested, at a JC.

Unfortunately, people do not like the idea of doing what would help the world the most. They want to do what sounds fun and exciting. What they do not realize is that things are more fun and exciting when we are good at them. This is true everywhere, even in weightlifting. This is the cause of the depression that nicole is talking about. We see ourselves as failures when there is no reason to see that. The reality is, not everyone is meant for college and there are a lot of other useful and important things that need to get done that don't require a college degree. The United States does a terrible job of pushing people through the system at a young age and now they are doing it with the young adults who they insist go to college.

Because people can't make the right decision I think someone should "assist" them with making it. Now I would be all for pushing people who are on the edge of making it in college to pursue more education. I think education is the most important factor in success.

I agree that physics and art are different and we need them both. But we dont need very many of either. The other difference between the two is portability. A physicist could transition to become an engineer within a year tops in terms of knowledge and skills. An artist would have to do quite a bit of catch up. When you look at careers we dont need a lot of, you can check and see if they can easily change to a career we do need a lot. This isnt saying one is better than the other but it is saying one is safer in terms of insuring the success of that person. We need more engineers than artists or physicists. We need mechanics to work on cars and people to drive delivery trucks. Neither of those requires a college degree and I have family that does both and they love their job. I am merely saying that the university has become a party house for people to go through some kind of social right and that is the place for this to happen.

Assuming you don't use financial aid, and you still think the cost is worth the return, then I am okay with you going. What I wouldnt be okay with is if you got in the workforce and then started burdening the system. A lot of people who major in these other things say they regret not doing something with more opportunity. Being that college is supposed to have some of the brighter individuals in society, they had a good chance of succeeding in something else if they tried.

If you do take financial aid, then that is pretty socialist and I dont think you should complain about other socialist things. If everyone were a little more socialist in their actions, the world would be a lot better. Even if you dont agree with those points, what is wrong with a more socialist society? Canada's medical institution is miles ahead of ours in terms of caring for the majority of people.

To be fair, I do not think accounting is something that will lack opportunity in the workplace, although I do question why someone needs to attend a university for 4 years to learn to be an accountant. I think anyone who graduates from high school should have all the skills required to be an accountant and learning the application of those skills should take two years at the most.

To clear something else up, I do not find any subject worthless. I think they are all good sources of information about the world but I do think some are better suited at a primary means of productivity than others. I am constantly learning about social sciences and liberal arts but I pursue those in addition to science, not on their own.

yeah like TOTALLY obvious....i totally agree about whatever it was you were typing about...what was it again..i've forgotten why i clicked whatever button it was for me to get to this eh message eh god where am i?
do i know you? whats my name? please get back to me and tell me i've forgotton.

ADD and proud! i'm just going to get off my ( the libraries pc i've got better things to spend my money on like food and eh food )....and do something else like human curling on the frozen paved chess board at the precinct!
see ya!

Ironman wrote:

I have to agree with Ryan. I have known a lot of career students. They do seem to be wasting time. Now someone could go to a junior college and get a lot of general study type course done while they figure it out. That wouldn't be too bad. You would probably have to take a few more classes then you otherwise would have needed when you go to the university, but that's better then trying to figure it out there. I have also seen people with anthropology or liberal arts degrees that pretty much said "Do you want fries with that?" until they went back and got something else. Really though if you want to go to school for that long you might as well get a PHD.

Well I can see what the problem is based on the 2 drugs she attacked by name and the way she writes and what she talks about. The ADD is SO obvious. Then some kind of delusional type disorder maybe.

to think that "society" is forcing people to sit and listen to people who are associated with a system that includes sex education in the curriculum for 11 and 12 year olds with a teacher they don't know scares me an awful lot.

school - i'd rather have stayed climbing trees and running through the fields laughing and having fun with my friends. this society is inducing depression from school entry age and punishing " hyperactive" children who've probably been used to doing a lot of exercise, by making them take ritalin. this really scares me.

sitting in school most days for over 6 hours a day for 11 years + to learn how to "work" sitting at an office desk for 8 hours a day.

the obvious results being shown in the commonwealth and olympic games.

white people aren't as fit. simple as that.

nicole carter - white, scottish and not so proud.Nicolecartersfunfitness supports W.A.R. ( women against rape ) when she has money to so which isn't at the moment because i don't even have any to buy food.

i've worked on a farm m8 i know the benefits of genetic diversity, if thats what you are "getting at"!

nc :0)

VoK wrote:

You're reasons to go to school are flawed.

I don't go to a University to get a job. I go to school to grow as a person and to give me a few years in my life where I can learn about myself and other topics that I couldn't learn if I was out of school.

As to white people not being fit...please. This has been argued so many times. Don't use race as an excuse.

my genetics lecturer at uni was called Dr love ( seriously that is his name! when said in a deep american male voice it sounds soooo coool!! ) i'm saying that i want genetic diversity to ensure the healthiness of my children. also my experiences of scottish men have been on whole pretty bad. my aunt is from brunei ( my dads brothers wife ) and my cousins are very healthy and handsome ( they are all guys ). if you look at basic farm breeding i think it is also applicable to humans. i'd love a mixed race marraige and mixed race children! because i have very fair skin ( my dad is from shetland and has auburn hair and freckles which i have kind of got too but not as red or freckly ) so i sunburn quite easily, i'd love to have a husband who has naturally darker skin so that our children don't burn so easily in the sun! thats all nothing argumentative at all!

nc :0)

Matt Z wrote:

Are you arguing that white people have less genetic diversity than people of other races?

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