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The whole "alive to see them play" are aimed towards the people who claim that people like Wilt, russell, or Big O would completely get destroyed in today's league. How would you possibly know that unless you actually saw them play?

So we're not allowed to have an opinion on a player if we've never seen him play LIVE?

That whole adjusted for pace crap is also only claimed by 1 dimensional thinkers. You don't just compare 2 sets of stats by adjusting for pace across eras then summarize who was a better player.

If we never adjusted for pace, Wilt would be the undisputed GOAT.

btw your Lincoln analogy is terrible.

You got the point didn't you?

You don't have to have lived in the 1800s to know that Lincoln singlehandedly saved the United States. That's history, it's a fact.

Who said I'm not using facts when I'm making my judgement on past players?

But if you say, "if Lincoln was a president in the 2000s, then he'd be a great/terrible president," is more analogous towards what people on here are talking about.

Maybe, but like I said you got the point.

Originally Posted by rhymeratic

Shoot I'd even put up Glen Rice and Mitch Richmond in their prime at or slightly better than James. Even Glenn Robinson who is a forgotten beast.