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It is ESSENTIAL for Scientists to come up ASAP with that INITIAL Diploid Cell (Zygote) from which, with tinkering, ALL Plants and Animals can be made; Too many Useless Industries have hitherto prevented more innovative minds to reach that Top Ph.D Levels in SciTech. First Remove all those stupid, logic defying industries which have hitherto held humanity in their hold. Some may call them belief, entertainment whatever. We cannot leave for Nature to come up with new species taking millions of years, which can be done in labs in decades in the future. The Tools for that are still Missing now and hence this appears as an exaggerated claim !

It is ESSENTIAL for Scientists to come up ASAP with that INITIAL Diploid Cell (Zygote) from which, with tinkering, ALL Plants and Animals can be made; The Tools for that are still Missing now and hence this appears as an exaggerated claim !

This shouldn't be surprising if quantum events can be regarded as non-local and atemporal. I've had a growing suspicion, increased by further evidence of Penrose et al's CCC, that the fractionation of the four fields/forces and the precipitation of matter did not include quantum parameters, being altogether primordial. None of this is formally falsifiable at present, of course.

But in the conformal junction of universe-aeons, and throughout them, one of the few constants to survive immensurable dimensions of 'space' and 'time' would be the immutable properties of the quantum world.

It is ESSENTIAL for Scientists to come up ASAP with that INITIAL Diploid Cell (Zygote) from which, with tinkering, ALL Plants and Animals can be made; The Tools for that are still Missing now and hence this appears as an exaggerated claim !

In the Quantum Universe, as well as in the SubSet Universe (which is just below the Quantum level), the Realities of which we are most familiar with in our Macro existence do not normally exist at Quantum. The Laws at Quantum level are so extreme and different from what we see here in our own Reality that, if not for our wonderful science instruments that capture and record the effects and the events going on at Quantum, humans would be still lost and wondering as to "who came first".

But it is not Time itself that has reversed at Quantum, and the chicken/egg conundrum is simply a variation on the Schrödinger's Cat thought experiment.There are far greater things at the Quantum level to peruse and quantify, rather than expressing Time as the culprit and blamed for slow or fast events

-CONTINUED-Time cannot reverse or be stilled. Only the duration of events can hold steady (such as if it were possible to approach the Event Horizon of a Black Hole); or speed up/slow down. eg-The parade passes by ever so slowly when a car's driver is intent on it going faster. It also depends on the mental perception of the viewer, as well as the mental state of that viewer.The old American adage that "A watched pot never boils" is true. Things/events may seem to take "forever" even though Time itself is carrying on as usual.There is also "Cosmic Time" that is measured in Light Years (LY) and there is Time that is measured with clocks that are geared toward measuring the duration of sunset - sunrise on various planets with different lengths of rotation.

The real question should be wrt to the first uni-cell before/after it divided into two cells in the waters of Earth - which came first?

The "chicken or egg" paradox was first proposed by philosophers in Ancient Greece to describe the problem of determining cause-and-effect.

And it was solved by philosophers in acient India, by proposing the concept of dependent origination (mutual co-arising), which is kinda like a pre-proto-version of QM.

They applied it mainly to the question of psychology, but the concept expands to physics as well.

"When this is, that is; This arising, that arises; When this is not, that is not; This ceasing, that ceases."

It sounds trivial, but it's basically saying that existence itself creates distinction. When nothing is, something is, when something is, it "splits" into distinctions or one and another etc. It's not causality where one thing -follows- from another, but more a matter of observation. The observer makes the difference, which is effectively saying that "Chicken and eggs are the same, until you ask which came first."

The the whole Chicken/Egg question was popularized back then, it has been shown with archaeology that there were egg forming creatures before there were chicken like creatures, as in fish, and even eggs from creatures well before there was anything resembling the chicken. So, in THAT light the egg came first, and later, thru Lots of eggs, we ended up with Chickens, from which we get our nutritious, delicious eggs.

Is it wrong to use an egg batter on your crispy baked/fried chicken by Religious Laws?

The the whole Chicken/Egg question was popularized back then, it has been shown with archaeology that there were egg forming creatures before there were chicken like creatures, as in fish, and even eggs from creatures well before there was anything resembling the chicken. So, in THAT light the egg came first, and later, thru Lots of eggs, we ended up with Chickens, from which we get our nutritious, delicious eggs.

Is it wrong to use an egg batter on your crispy baked/fried chicken by Religious Laws?

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I gave you a 5 because egg batter on fried chicken sounds yummy.:)Religions are all man-made, but some of them do have certain laws that appear to have been good advice - such as the kosher law that advises against eating shellfish (especially in summer) but the USDA here in the States are aware of what is safe to eat and what isn't.

More importantly, How does the hen know that it has to sit over the eggs until they hatch. Also, How so many birds get the urge to build a nest beforehand, then bring in live fish to feed their just hatched babies. Which lives are more important ? No experiments in Neurology over these ? Why not interrupt functions of various brain cells to see their effect ?

every time I read a comment from hyperfuzzy I immediately feel the urge to put my fingers in my eyes, push as hard as I can until I reach the brain and then start swirling fingers around. EVERY time. I don't know if he/she is trolling or not, but at this point, please, I ask you, dear hyperfuzzy, STOP COMMENTING!

It is ESSENTIAL for Scientists to come up ASAP with that INITIAL Diploid Cell (Zygote) from which, with tinkering, ALL Plants and Animals can be made; The Tools for that are still Missing now and hence this appears as an exaggerated claim !

every time I read a comment from hyperfuzzy I immediately feel the urge to put my fingers in my eyes, push as hard as I can until I reach the brain and then start swirling fingers around. EVERY time. I don't know if he/she is trolling or not, but at this point, please, I ask you, dear hyperfuzzy, STOP COMMENTING!

I just wondered if there was some dietary restriction similar to the Kosher whereby they do not mix dairy and meat products and use different implements set aside for each. As I recall that comes from the 'do not boil the kid in the mother's milk', so I just wondered if it was ok to use egg batter with chicken or to scramble eggs with roasted chicken and onions on top of a bed of fried potatoes?

It seems to me that the breakthrough experiment by Aspect et al already was sufficient demonstration by the early 1980s--better actually.

What is described here, while possibly an important step in the march towards practical quantum computing, is really just a selection from two possible realities. So-to-speak, I have the egg-first universe and the chicken-first universe in linear superposition, and then we choose one. At no instant did these universes interact (i.e., display nonlinearity regarding each other). Whether choosing to accept (asymmetry-hypothesis) single actual universe model of Roger-Penrose from multiple potential histories, or the (symmetry-hypothesis) ever-dividing multi-universe of all possibilities proposed by Hugh Everett and held by the majority of the physics community, nonetheless, Roger Penrose provides the only practical point of departure of the linear superposition.

This being "orchestrated reduction" of the wavefunction by a spread of the implied realities across a space on order of about 22 micrograms--one Planck mass, that is, a difference at a level that generates a single graviton--one quantum of curved spacetime. That is the wavefunction ship hits the "rock" of nonlinearity, or rather, the always separated realities (in linear superposition) flying under the nonlinearity radar screen reached that detection floor of a (the) universe.

On the other hand, the Aspect et al experiments or subsequent ones involving space and/or time separate of detecting systems of entangled particles demonstrated a reference-frame dependent causal chain. That is, in the limit of a perfectly symmetric measurement apparatus in space--if one's motion reference frame was such that the laboratory reference frame was in relative motion one way, then detector A was the cause of the collapse of particle A and B, other way, then B. Hence chicken&egg in 1 world.

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