Ladies of South Dakota, here's a handy link. Think of Plan B the same way you would a fire extinguisher. You don't wait for a fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher, and you don't wait for contraceptive failure to buy Plan B. If you live in a state like South Dakota, I suggest buying two kits. Have one on you and one in your home.

Opposition to abortion is essentially religiously-motivated. Attempts to impose limits on a woman's right to abortion is forcing legislators' religious views on people regardless of what their own feelings might be. Speaking as a Jew, the instant of a baby's personhood is well-defined--it's when it takes its first breath (some rabbis say when it's head and shoulders out of the womb). In Judaism the mother's physical welfare always trumps that of the unborn infant, and in Conservative and Reform Judaism that extends to the psychological damage caused by an unwanted pregnancy. I can't speak for other faiths, but any Jewish woman who is impeded in or prevented from receiving an abortion is not just being subjected to sexual and civil harassment; she is the victim of a religious hate crime as well. I would like to see some punitive lawsuits brought against these neanderthal states on that basis.

One more reason to come back to the mother religion, and I'm sure there are Reform synagogues out there who'd be willing to perform some quickie conversions in a good cause.

I'm fine with this...if they also rule that every other medical procedure must also have a waiting period. Need an emergency appendectomy on Friday? Sure thing, we'll see you next Thursday. You can wait, right? Oh, and we'll need you to undergo a few catscans in the meantime- what? Oh, of course you don't NEED a catscan, and neither do we, but we just wanted to add as much hassle as possible.

More_Like_A_Stain:Theaetetus: No, that's not it at all... It's just that there's no where a pregnant woman could go on, say, a Sunday morning around 9-10 AM, to get counseling against having an abortion. Nope, no places like that exist at all, and they certainly don't have steeples and allegedly-celibate men in robes and pipe organs.

Isn't that the place where they're always thinking of the children?

Well, only the unborn ones. The born ones are probably poor democrats, so fark 'em.

THX 1138:tom baker's scarf: waiting periods seem only to drag out a miserable process for no reason.

Ding ding ding. If you can't legally make abortion illegal, at least make the women suffer as much as possible as they jump through all the necessary hoops.

They must be shamed. That's the whole point of vaginal ultrasounds, forced counseling, and other invasions of privacy. If you want an abortion, you must be a slut, not a God-fearing woman, and so you must be shamed.

meat0918:I can't help but feel that all of this is just trying to get a case to try and overturn Roe v. Wade before the more conservative justices retire or die.

I highly doubt Roberts would want his to be the court that overturns it, not after his Obamacare performance.

Roberts is pretty firmly individual-rights interpretey, and even Scalia is pretty reluctant to ban/change things in the face of overwhelming, concrete evidence of a policy being unambiguously and overwhelmingly in the public interest like abortion availability has in spades.

Basically, overturning Roe v. Wade is never, ever going to happen. As it has been for three decades, it's a red herring to get people to push the "Vote all [R]" button at the voting booth, and that's it. Even the intermediate bullshiat that the TP folks are pulling is not something the actual folks running the national party are down with... though I imagine those guys are pretty much weeping quietly into their hands in the corner at this point anyhow as the regional interests destroy the GOP's national credibility for short-term local gains.

And by short-term I mean two to four years, since that's how long TP candidates seem to actually last in office for the most part.

smeegle:Whatever, it's three farkin days. Believe you me, if I decided on having an abortion, my mind would be set and I could stikl the three days out, and deal with all of the BS that comes with it. Just nod and wave ladies. Then carry on.

You're missing the point completely. The idea is that they'll keep pushing the three days back, between further regulations and a lack of transport (as previously mentioned by Ravenlore, there's only one provider in the state), until the women have passed the gestational date where abortions are no longer legal.

lennavan:The My Little Pony Killer: Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

Yep. Tiny legislation by tiny legislation and the pro-lifers are slowly outlawing abortion. You gotta get an ultrasound. Wait, you gotta get a vaginal ultrasound. You gotta wait a day. Wait, you gotta wait a few days. Wait, weekends/holidays don't count. Oh, hey the only clinic in the entire state has doctors without admitting privileges at the local hospital? Cool, - All abortion doctors have to have admitting privileges at the local hospital. Oh hey, the abortion clinics are only set up as outpatient centers? Cool, - all abortion clinics have to meet actual hospital standards. Sorry if that's too expensive or your facility cannot be retrofit to accommodate!

You forgot the other popular tactic - pro-lifers setting up their own abortion clinics to take business from real providers.

"Sorry dearie, you've got a temperature of 98.7; we can't perform this major surgury on someone who's already sick. Why don't you just come back next week?""Oh, hello again! Looks like your temperature's fine, however, I'm sorry to tell you the doc is out golfing this week. He'll be back in next Tuesday.""Nice to see you again honey. The doc's in and you're healthy - lets do this. Oh wait, when did you concieve? 20 and a half weeks ago? I'm so sorry, that's past the legal limit. Mazel tov!"

required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions

So, they have to prove they have been to one of these centers whose goal is to prevent abortions in order to be allowed to have an abortion. Wouldn't these centers make a point of refusing to stamp their form, or losing everyone's paperwork, in order to make sure that no abortions take place?

And of course there is no need to extend the waiting period for the reasons stated, since the women have to prove they've been to one of these centers anyway.

DeaH:Ladies of South Dakota, here's a handy link. Think of Plan B the same way you would a fire extinguisher. You don't wait for a fire to run out and buy a fire extinguisher, and you don't wait for contraceptive failure to buy Plan B. If you live in a state like South Dakota, I suggest buying two kits. Have one on you and one in your home.

Don't be sexist, male farkers from SD could also keep a kit for the women in their lives.

Fuzzmosis:I'm not a woman, nor have I even been pregnant. Nor have I made a girl pregnant.

But... why is the base assumption that women rush to the abortion clinic without thinking about it first? That's the only rationale I can think of for this... well, that and fanatacism. When your base assumptions are no one thinks but you, and you're over the age of 12, someone failed at raising you.

That's right. I'm now blaming politicians parents for their actions. They clearly won't take personal responsibility.

There are no assumptions here. They simply don't want any woman to have an abortion and are trying to erode away a woman's right to have one. This is a simple and obvious fact.

sabreWulf07:InteriorDesignNinja: FTFA: "Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling"

fark off, seriously. Who do they think they are?

What's preventing women from receiving counseling before seeing their doctor? Why is the counseling required? Can't the GOP just

fsck off for once and let people take personal responsibility for their lives -- like they're always demanding we do?

You can just use the word "fark" if you like. Fark has a filter that turns the work fark into Fark. Or even type Fark, directly. The preview will still show fark as fark, but the final result will show up as Fark.

I'm not a woman, nor have I even been pregnant. Nor have I made a girl pregnant.

But... why is the base assumption that women rush to the abortion clinic without thinking about it first? That's the only rationale I can think of for this... well, that and fanatacism. When your base assumptions are no one thinks but you, and you're over the age of 12, someone failed at raising you.

That's right. I'm now blaming politicians parents for their actions. They clearly won't take personal responsibility.

The My Little Pony Killer:Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

Yep. Tiny legislation by tiny legislation and the pro-lifers are slowly outlawing abortion. You gotta get an ultrasound. Wait, you gotta get a vaginal ultrasound. You gotta wait a day. Wait, you gotta wait a few days. Wait, weekends/holidays don't count. Oh, hey the only clinic in the entire state has doctors without admitting privileges at the local hospital? Cool, - All abortion doctors have to have admitting privileges at the local hospital. Oh hey, the abortion clinics are only set up as outpatient centers? Cool, - all abortion clinics have to meet actual hospital standards. Sorry if that's too expensive or your facility cannot be retrofit to accommodate!

InteriorDesignNinja:FTFA: "Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling"

fark off, seriously. Who do they think they are?

What's preventing women from receiving counseling before seeing their doctor? Why is the counseling required? Can't the GOP just fsck off for once and let people take personal responsibility for their lives -- like they're always demanding we do?

bborchar:I'm fine with this...if they also rule that every other medical procedure must also have a waiting period.

This

Any non-emergency medical procedure should require a 3 day waiting period. Any non-emergency medical procedure should require an ultrasound where the doctor clearly explains to you what will be done. "You see that appendix right there? We're going to take it out." You can turn your head if you want to.

Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions. make it to the second trimester and can no longer abort at all

Don't dance around the issue by trying to act as though you're doing anybody a favor here.

If you dickheads really wanted to see less abortions, you'd be pushing for comprehensive sexual education and more Planned Parenthood funding. Selfish farking anti-choice dickheads.

Like they'd approve the hundreds of millions of dollars in funds to pay for that stuff after restricting a woman's access to all her birth control and family planning options.

It's not like they could look at somewhere like, I dunno, Texas for example, and see what happens when you make it really, really difficult to access family planning information and women's health clinics.

Because goodness knows a chick in Huron can afford to go to Sioux Falls, then have to wait three days either staying in SF or driving back to Pierre and then driving BACK to Sioux Falls.

There's only one provider in the state, and that provider is in the southeastern corner of the state. If you're in Rapid you might decide to go to Denver, and you're in Aberdeen you're almost certainly going to go to Fargo.

While admittedly SF is the most populous city, anyone else is about guaranteed to be a hundred miles from a provider.

Nadie_AZ:Women seeking abortions in South Dakota currently must wait three days after seeing an abortion clinic doctor before they can have the procedure. The bill would make it so that weekends and holidays do not count in calculating the three-day waiting period.

Supporters say the change would ensure women have time to receive required counseling at pregnancy help centers, which discourage abortions.

Because their being forced to get an abortion? Is that it?

No, that's not it at all... It's just that there's no where a pregnant woman could go on, say, a Sunday morning around 9-10 AM, to get counseling against having an abortion. Nope, no places like that exist at all, and they certainly don't have steeples and allegedly-celibate men in robes and pipe organs.