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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: A Real Case against Jews
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The following is an article written by an American Jew in 1928:
A Real Case Against Jews
by Marcus Eli Ravage
reprinted from
The Century Magazine
January 1928
Of course, you do resent us. It is no good telling me you don't.
So let us not waste any time on denials and alibis. You know you
do, and I know it, and we understand each other. To be sure, some
of your best friends are Jews, and all that. I have heard that
before once or twice, I think. And I know too, that you do not
include me personally - "me" being any particular individual Jew -
when you fling out at us in your wholesale fashion, because I am,
well, so different, don't you know, almost as good as one of
yourselves. That little exemption does not, somehow, move me to
gratitude; but never mind that now. It is the aggressive,
climbing, pushing, materialistic sort you dislike - those, in a
world, who remind you so much of your own up-and-coming brethren.
We understand each other perfectly. I don't hold it against you.
Bless my soul, I do not blame anybody for disliking anybody. The
thing that intrigues me about this anti-Jewish business, as you
play at it, you make such fantastic and transparent excuses, you
seem to be suffering from self-consciousness so horribly, that if
the performance were not so grotesque it would be irritating.
It is not as if you were amateurs: you have been at it for over
fifteen centuries. Yet watching you and hearing your childish
pretexts, one might get the impression that you did not know
yourselves what it is all about. You resent us, but you cannot
clearly say why. You think up a new excuse - a "reason" is what
you call it - every other day. You have been piling up
justification for yourself these many hundreds of years and each
new invention is more laughable than the last and each new excuse
contradicts and annihilates the last.
Not so many years ago I used to hear that we were money-grubbers
and commercial materialists; now the complaint is being whispered
around that no art and no profession is safe against Jewish
invasion.
We are, if you are to be believed, at once clannish and
exclusive, and unassimilable because we won't intermarry with you,
and we are also climbers and pushers and a menace to your racial
integrity.
Our standard of living is so low that we create your slums and
sweat industries, and so high that we crowd you out of your best
residential sections. We shirk our patriotic duty in wartime
because we are pacifists by nature and tradition, and we are the
arch-plotters of universal wars and the chief beneficiaries of
those wars (see "The protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion".)
We are at once the founders and leading adherents of capitalism
and the chief perpetrators of the rebellion against capitalism.
Surely, history has nothing like us for versatility!
And oh! I almost forgot the reasons of reasons. We are the
stiff-necked people who never accepted Christianity, and we are
the criminal people who crucified its founder.
But I tell you, you are self-deceivers. You lack either the
self-knowledge or the mettle to face the facts squarely and own up
to the truth. You resent the Jew not because, as some of you seem
to think, we crucified Jesus but because we gave him birth. Your
real quarrel with us is not that we have rejected Christianity but
that we have imposed it upon you!
Your loose, contradictory charges against us are not a patch on
the blackness of our proved historic offence. You accuse us of
stirring up revolution in Moscow. Suppose we admit the charge.
What of it? Compared with what Paul the Jew of Tarsus accomplished
in Rome, the Russian upheavals a mere street brawl.
You make much noise and fury about the undue Jewish influence in
your theatres and movie palaces. Very good; granted your complaint
is well-founded. But what is that compared to our staggering
influence in your churches, your schools, your laws and your
governments, and the very thoughts you think every day?
A clumsy Russian forges a set of papers and publishes them in a
book called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which shows that
we plotted to bring on the late World War. You believe that book.
All right. For the sake of argument, we will underwrite every word
of it. It is genuine and authentic. But what is that besides the
unquestionable historical conspiracy which we have carried out,
which we never have denied because you never had the courage to
charge us with it, and of which the full record is extant for
anybody to read?
If you really are serious when you talk of Jewish plots, may I
not direct your attention to one worth talking about? What use is
it wasting words on the alleged control of your public opinion by
Jewish financiers, newspaper owners, and movie magnates, when you
might as well justly accuse us of the proved control of your whole
civilization by the Jewish Gospels?
You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We
are intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have taken
your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc
with them. We have been at the bottom of not merely the latest
Great War but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but
of nearly every other major revolution in your history. We have
brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal
and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long,
we shall go on doing it.
Look back a little and see what has happened. Nineteen hundred
years ago you were an innocent, care-free pagan race. You
worshipped countless Gods and Goddesses, the spirits of the air,
of the running streams and of the woodland. You took unblushing
pride in the glory of your naked bodies. You carved images of your
gods and of the tantalizing human figure. You delighted in the
combats of the field, the arena and the battle-ground. War and
slavery were fixed institutions in your systems. Disporting
yourselves on the hillsides and in the valleys of the great
outdoors, you took to speculating on the wonder and mystery of
life and laid the foundations of natural science and philosophy.
Yours was a noble, sensual culture, unirked by the prickings of
the social conscience or by any sentimental questionings about
human equality. Who knows what great and glorious destiny might
have been yours if we had left you alone.
But we did not leave you alone. We took you in hand and pulled
down the beautiful and generous structure you had reared, and
changed the whole course of your history. We conquered you as no
empire of yours ever subjugated Africa or Asia. And we did it all
without bullets, without blood or turmoil, without force of any
kind. We did it solely by the irresistible might of our spirit,
with ideas, with propaganda.
We made you the willing and unconscious bearers of our mission
to the whole world, to the barbarous races of the world, to the
countless unborn generations. Without fully understanding what we
were doing to you, you became the agents at large of our racial
tradition, carrying our gospel to unexplored ends of the earth.
Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our
tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your august
constitutions and legal systems. Our legends and our folk-tales
are the sacred lore which you croon to your infants. Our poets
have filled your hymnals and your prayer-books. Our national
history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your
pastors and priests and scholars. Our Kings, our statesmen, our
prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country
is your Holy Land. Our national literature is your Holy Bible.
What our people thought and taught has become inextricable woven
into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be
called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.
Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your
saints, with countless statues carved in their image and
innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden
is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet
is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled
down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and
substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in
history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our
conquest over you.
How did we do it? Almost by accident. Nearly two thousand years
ago in far-off Palestine, our religion had fallen into decay and
materialism. Money-changers were in possession of the temple.
Degenerate, selfish priests grew fat. Then a young patriot-
idealist arose and went about the land calling for a revival of
the faith. He had no thought of setting up a new church. Like all
the prophets before him, his only aim was to purify and revitalize
the old creed. He attacked the priests and drove the money-
changers from the temple. This brought him into conflict with the
established order and its supporting pillars. The Roman
authorities , who were in occupation of the country, fearing his
revolutionary agitation as a political effort to oust them,
arrested him, tried him and condemned him to death by crucifixion,
a common form of execution at that time. The followers of Jesus of
Nazereth, mainly slaves and poor workmen, in their bereavement and
disappointment, turned away from the world and formed themselves
into a brotherhood of pacifists non-resisters, sharing their
memory of their crucified leader and living together
communistically. They were merely a new sect in Judea, without
power or consequence, neither the first nor the last.
Only after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans did the
new creed come into prominence. Then a patriotic Jew named Paul or
Saul conceived the idea of humbling the Roman power by destroying
the morale of its soldiery with the doctrines of love and non-
resistance preached by the little sect of Jewish Christians. He
became the Apostle to the Gentiles, he who hitherto had been one
of the most active persecutors of the band. And so well did Paul
do his work that within four centuries the great empire which had
subjugated Palestine along with half of the world, was a heap of
ruins. And the law which went forth from Zion became the official
religion of Rome.
This was the beginning of our dominance in your world. But it
was only a beginning. From this time forth your history is little
more than a struggle for mastery between your own old pagan spirit
and our Jewish spirit. Half your wars, great and little, are
religious wars, fought over the interpretation of one thing or
another in our teachings. You no sooner broke free from your
primitive religious simplicity and attempted the practice of the
pagan Roman learning than Luther armed with our Gospel arose to
down you and re-enthrone our heritage. Take the three principal
revolutions in modern times - the French, the American, and the
Russian. What are they but the triumphs of the Jewish idea of
social, political and economic justice?
And the end is still a long way off. We still dominate you. At
this very moment your churches are torn asunder by a civil war
between Fundamentalists and Modernists, that is to say between
those who cling to our teachings and traditions literally and
those who are striving by slow steps to dispossess us. Again and
again the Puritan heritage of Judea breaks out in waves of stage
censorship, Sunday blue laws and national prohibition acts. And
while these things are happening you twaddle about Jewish
influence in the movies.
Is it any wonder you resent us? We have put a clog upon your
progress. We have imposed upon you an alien book and an alien
faith which you cannot digest, which is at cross-purposes with
your native spirit, which keeps you everlasting ill-at-ease, and
which you lack the spirit to either reject or accept in full.
In full, of course, you never have accepted our Christian
teachings. In your hearts you still are pagans. You still take
pride in the glory of the nude human figure. Your social
conscience, in spite of all democracy and all your social
revolution, is still a pitifully imperfect thing. We have merely
divided your soul. confused your impulses and paralysed your
desires. In the midst of the battle you are obliged to kneel down
to him who commanded you to turn the other cheek, who said "Resist
not evil" and "Blessed are the peace-makers". In your lust for
gain you are suddenly disturbed by a memory from your Sunday
school days about taking no thought for the morrow. In your
industrial struggles, when you would smash a strike without
compunction, you are suddenly reminded that the poor are blessed
and that men are brothers in the Fatherhood of the Lord. And you
are about to yield to temptation, your Jewish training puts a
deterrent hand on your shoulder and dashes the brimming cup from
your lips. You Christians have never become Christianized. To that
extent we have failed with you. But we have forever spoiled the
fun of paganism for you.
So why should you not resent us? If we were in your place we
should probably dislike you more cordially than you do us. But we
should make no bones about telling you why. We should not resort
to subterfuges and transparent pretext. With millions of painfully
respectable Jewish shopkeepers all about us we should not insult
your intelligence and your own honesty by talking about communism
as a Jewish philosophy. And with millions hard-working impecunious
Jewish peddlers and labourers we should make ourselves ridiculous
by talking about international capitalism as a Jewish monopoly. No
we should go straight to the point. We should contemplate this
confused ineffectual muddle which we call civilization, this half-
Christian half-pagan medley, and - we should say to you point-
blank: "For this mess thanks to you, to your prophets, and your
Bible."
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Jan 2 18:14:43 PST 1996
Article: 18545 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: political correctness, revisionism, and censorship
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 21:23:53 +0100
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In article <4c91jt$jaa@access2.digex.net>, Michael P. Stein wrote:
>In article <4bbb2a$1r6@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
>Ourobouros wrote:
>>No, this was not a special case, as stated before, Austria, Netherlands
>>and even Denmark have special laws in place for Holocaust denial.
>
> This may come as news to Danish resident and Holocaust denier Mr. Ole
>Kreiberg, who has been telling us in alt.revisionism that while there has
>been some pressure put on Denmark to adopt such laws, the Danes have too
>much respect for individual liberty to do so.
>
The only European countries which had made holocaust denying a thought-crime
are Germany, Austria, Switzerland and France.
Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Jan 2 18:14:44 PST 1996
Article: 18546 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Edeiken Sees "Nazis" on Every Streetcorner
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 22:36:09 +0100
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In article , Daniel Keren wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes on his plans for
>ethnic cleansing of Denmark:
>
># There will no "vigilantes" and concentration camps.
># There will be temporary transit camps,
>
>How many showers will these have?
There will be showers enough so that everyone can have a shower a day.
Why do you ask?
>
Ole Kreiberg
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Edeiken Sees "Nazis" on Every Streetcorner
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In article <1JAN199619212673@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>, Daniel Mittleman wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes...
>>In article <4c6ehq$k1p@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>>>
>>> Why don't you tell us again about your plan to have armed
>>>groups of vigilantes round up foriegners and throw them into concentration
>>>camps, nazi boy?
>>
>>This particular corps will of course still be a part of the police force,
>>and therefore assigned to the Department of Justice. Therefore the
>>Administration of Justice Act will fully apply to this corpse. Remember
>>only members of the police and military can be members. There will no
>>"vigilantes" and concentration camps. There will be temporary transit camps,
>>and only people belonging to non-European races will be sent back to the
>>parts of the world, where they naturally belong.
>
> And Ashkenazi Jews will be sent where?
>
There are no plans concerning the Jews. Remember that most Danish Jews became
citizens before 1965 and are therefore not supposed to have their citizenship
reconsidered. If individual Jews act disloyal and subversive against the
implementation of the plan, or against the interest of the nation, a one
way ticket to Israel could be the consequence. There are less than ten
thousand Jews in Denmark. Therefore the problem is not very big, if there
is a significant problem at all.
You are right that most Ashkenazi Jews appear White. But do they feel
loyalty toward the White race too? Most Jews feel first and foremost a strong
loyalty to the Jewish cause and the megalomania about being the God's
chosen people with a certain mission to mankind.
Ole Kreiberg
Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Jan 4 15:09:09 PST 1996
Article: 18817 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Who was Marcus Ravage, and what was _Century_ Magazine?
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In article <4cfdvm$pks@access1.digex.net>, Michael P. Stein wrote:
>
>However, I am not sure you're interpreting its intent correctly.
Do you mean political correct?
>Again, where did you run across this, since I doubt you have sixty-eight
>year old issues of _Century_ lying around your house?
Does it make any difference, whether I got this article from Peter or Paul.
By the way there is another interesting article by Marcus Eli Ravage
in the february 1928 issue of the Century magazine. It carries the title,
Commissary to the Gentiles. I will post it if get the time.
Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Jan 4 15:09:10 PST 1996
Article: 18818 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Kreiberg Has Never Been a Nazi
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In article <4cfkab$r6d@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>> olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>
>> This particular corps will of course still be a part of the police force,
>> and therefore assigned to the Department of Justice. Therefore the
>> Administration of Justice Act will fully apply to this corpse. Remember
>> only members of the police and military can be members. There will no
>> "vigilantes" and concentration camps. There will be temporary transit camps,
>> and only people belonging to non-European races will be sent back to the
>> parts of the world, where they naturally belong.
>>
>>>>>
> In other words armed vigilantes will round up the foriegn element
>and pack them off to concentration camps. "A rose is a rose is a rose is a
>rose. . . ."
>
> --YFE
There will be no vigilantes. It will be regular members of the policeforce
in a regular police unit. The only extraordinary feature will be that the
members have volunteered for this particular task, and that they may have
military units for back-up in emergency situations. The reason for creating
this branch of the police is to avoid forcing any members of the police into
this kind of task against their will. It is the same with the Danish
NATO-force in Bosnia. Only volunteers are sent to Bosnia. In the Vietnam war,
thousands of American young men were forced to participate against their
will, and this had a very demoralizing effect on the whole operation. Only
members of the police who approve of the creation of ethnic homogenity by
deportation of the third world element, will have to participate. This has
nothing to do with nazism. Remember that the USA every day rounds up and
deports dozens of illegal aliens who have illegally crossed the border
between the USA and Mexico.
Ole Kreiberg
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From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Jan 4 15:09:11 PST 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Is Americanism a Kind of Nazism?
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In article <4cfkm5$r6d@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>> olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>
>> If you really were decent, you ought to worry
>> about that and be working for making your country a whiter and brighter
>> place. Instead you are smearing sincere White patriots. Don't you feel
>> like a traitor to your country? I think you ought to be ashamed of
>> yourself.
>>
>>>>>
> The real question is why does Krieberg claim that his
>nazi ideology is something other than nazi ideology. Is he ashamed
>of his own ideas or is it that realizes how offensive his ideas are to
>all decent people?
>
> --YFE
Nazism is dictatorship and militarism. I have never advocated such things.
The USA started out as 13 states on the East Coast. In the course of one
century the USA had extended it's "Lebensraum" (life space) several times
to the west. The USA won more Lebensraum to the west than Hitler ever dreamt
of getting to the east. The USA expanded by crowding out the Red Indians
>from their land. In the south-eastern USA members of the Black race were
kept as slaves. The USA treated Blacks and Red Indians as sub-humans.
Is Americanism a kind nazism? Please answer that question Mr. Edeiken.
Ole Kreiberg
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