Comments on: News of the Day – 12/29/08http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/29/news-of-the-day-122908/
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Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:02:31 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66464[14] Let’s not make this personal, Joseph. I was making a point that we should not jump to any conclusions about Joba’s condition or state of mind when all we know is what a person “heard through the grapevine.” Hyperbole or not, if you did not want to be called out on the things I pointed out, you could have been more specific. I wasn’t being mean, but I am reacting to a habit that occurs very much in media and in blogs.

For what it’s worth and since you asked, I am in a very very dull mood, so if it seemed like an attack, I sincerely apologize as it was not meant to be so, and I do hope you understand my point.

1. “What he doesn’t need is every person in the world reminding him how important he is.”

Every person in the world? Nice exaggeration. How about a few people close to him who he will listen to.

2. Your analogy of comparing Joba flying down the road drunk with a beer between his legs to some guy raising his kids is a lousy one and totally unrelated.

3. If what you believe has transpired has, including: Cashman speaking to him, teammates being there if he needs them, and of course, his father speaking with him, then at this point, that’s good enough for me. But GPS and shackles? More exaggeration. Did I say something that was going over the top in my concern for Joba? Did I say something about an intervention and having him committed? Are you in a bad mood today?

4. ” Set ourselves up as legal guardians”

Huh? Your taking my comment to exaggerated extremes. FWIW, I’ll be happy to hope Joba puts this one behind him and goes on to a great, trouble-free career with the Yanks.

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Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:41:58 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66462[12] This is what I mean. The article is kind of worthless insight- or news-wise if you already know about the DUI … It’s a stretch to go from “some of the people closest to Chamberlain are concerned that he is changing” to a “family friend” who hears things “through the grapevine”. I mean, if you’re hearing things through the grapevine are you really one of the closest people to the guy?
]]>By: Richhttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/29/news-of-the-day-122908/#comment-66461
Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:36:28 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66461“…I heard through the grapevine that he had been drinking more. (Success) has gotten to his head a little. If he does things like this, he won’t be able to stay in the major leagues.”

Obviously, being clean and sober is probably a preferable way to go through life, but MLB history is hardly devoid of very good players who had more than a few cold ones on a regular basis.

That said, although person who made this allegation could be clueless or worse, I will give him credit for attaching his name to the quote. It’s also interesting that he uses the word “had.” So either the problem, as he sees it, is in the past, or his syntax is poor.

Ruben Sierra is an interesting case, awesome first few years for sure, though I think Freddie’s status as a trumpeter exceeds Ruben as a ballplayer…need to think more on this (and yes, I realize how geeky we are in pursuing this comparison, but it’s the offseason, what the hell

Good luck at your gig!

]]>By: thelarmishttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/29/news-of-the-day-122908/#comment-66457
Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:38:12 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66457[8] yeah man, he was 70, right on the button. he had a heart attack earlier this month and i think he was in a coma for a spell. i’ve been listening/buying sooo much blue note lately, that freddie is on a lot of what i’ve been spinning. mccoy is still around too! i *just* got his 1968 Expansions cd, it’s on right now, and it’s GREAT!!! i think horace silver is still around. roy haynes is here. but yeah man, we just lost freddie hubbard, andrew hill & johnny griffin the last few months.

ooh, that’s a TERRIFIC ?, looking for a baseball comp for freddie. i need to go to play my jazz gig now. i’ll try and think of one, though i have a feeling you’ll come up w/ a fantastic one before me! don’t worry, we won’t play Red Clay tonight! i’d like to do Up Jumped Spring, in his honor though…

joe henderson was great to female players. in fact, he had an all female band for awhile. i believe that’s where Renee Rosnes got her start. she’s awesome and i have 7 or 8 of her Blue Note cd’s.

how ’bout someone like Ruben Sierra for a comp?

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Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:28:40 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66456[7] oh, no way man! had on “Open Sesame” just the other night too..he wasn’t even 70 I think, but heard his health wasn’t too good..will go check the jazz sites for the info. always sad to see the great ones pass on..thankfully Sonny Rollins and Ornette are still around and STILL bringing it in concert..

thelarmis, who would be a good baseball comparison for Freddie? Prodigy, played on dozens of classic albums in his 20s, sold out to some horrid disco fusion in the 1970s..had injury problems, then became an elder statesman (though I heard he was a real prick to any female players..)

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Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:26:05 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66455OT = Jazz Tokyo, if you check here today… Freddie Hubbard died. BOO!!! i listened to him earlier this afternoon on a Blakey record w/out knowing. very sad. he was a brilliant master musician!!!
]]>By: The Hawkhttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/29/news-of-the-day-122908/#comment-66454
Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:29:15 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66454That Joba Chamberlain piece was much ado about nothing. Just a waste of time.
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Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:17:42 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66453[3] Ray Negron? What Joba and any of these guys need more than anything is beyond what we know about them personally, like a true friend maybe?
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Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:09:56 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66452[2] Joba needs to realize how special he is, and how lucky he is to have the opportunity he has, and how important it is for him to make the right decisions going forward with his life and career.

What he doesn’t need is every person in the world constantly reminding him of how important he is. That’s like being told everyday by your boss and your coworkers and strangers from all walks of life that if you are a father, you have to love and take care of your kids because you are special to them and important to their future. Cashman has talked to him and his teammates will likely be there for him or in his face, and I’ll bet you bottom dollar his father has had more than a few things to say. What more should we expect, GPS and shackles?

I know our first reaction when a phenom has trouble like this is to set ourselves up as legal guardians and make the decisions for them, but can we at least give him a chance to prove that he’s capable of understanding or reaching out for help on his own before we do? He’s a human being, not a life-sized action figure.

]]>By: OldYanksFanhttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/29/news-of-the-day-122908/#comment-66451
Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:02:19 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66451I kinda wonder if there are/the Yanks hire ‘specialists’ in this area. MANY players have had early success go to their heads and blow their careers. Psychologist, motivational coach, guru, mother…. I don’t know who qualifies, but this is a common problem, and one you hate when it rears it’s head.
]]>By: Josephhttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/29/news-of-the-day-122908/#comment-66450
Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:06:13 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66450Concerning Joba, you would think that teams, with so much riding on players, both in dollars and in terms of the future of the franchise, would try to keep tabs a little bit on what the hell is going on with a player during the offseason. I suppose some do to some extent, and I’m sure it’s difficult to be aware of what’s transpiring in the lives of all the players in the organization. I believe I read somewhere that Cashman had talked to Joba after the DUI, and hopefully, others have done the same. Joba needs to realize how special he is, and how lucky he is to have the opportunity he has, and how important it is for him to make the right decisions going forward with his life and career.
]]>By: monkeypantshttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2008/12/29/news-of-the-day-122908/#comment-66449
Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:17:27 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=6488#comment-66449Interesting comparison: Guidry v. Cone. Well, maybe not so interesting, but in my distorted memory their two careers (and thus HOF dossiers) have a certain resemblance.
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