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Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Yes. Mindless aggression is not a sign of strength. The fact is that we don't have any good options. Ultimately I think we'll have to learn to live with Iran having nukes.

Israel is incapable of ending their program, and the United States has two other fronts at the moment.

Mindless aggression? We're not talking about a drunk guy in a bar picking fights. We're talking about a strategic and tactical ally, whose intelligence services are superior to our own, gathering information on facility locations and taking them out. You may be able to live with a nuclear-armed Iran, but anyone with any common sense is not. What else do they have to do to convince you that they will use them?

Also, how do you know how many nuke facilities Iran has? Furthermore, how do you know what we do and don't know about them? Your argument is based in wild speculation, to say the least.

Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

Give Israel the go ahead for a full tactical strike on Iranian nuclear facilities and support them with U.S. air refueling tankers and U.S. intelligence.

Well if Rathi is right in thinking that these strikes will only set program back a few years then are these strikes going to get us anywhere? In a few years time the Iranians will just be in the same possition as before except that if they wherent developing a weapons program before they will have more legitimacy in doing so.

Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Originally Posted by Red_Dave

Well if Rathi is right in thinking that these strikes will only set program back a few years then are these strikes going to get us anywhere? In a few years time the Iranians will just be in the same possition as before except that if they wherent developing a weapons program before they will have more legitimacy in doing so.

So you are proposing that we allow these nukes to be built because Iran will just try to build them again anyway? Cool beans! I'm just gonna stop dusting my house. Hell, it's just gonna get dusty again anyway! How about every time they begin to build a nuclear facility we blow the s/hit out of it. I bet after a while it will get quite expensive for them. Just a hunch

And you're also gonna make the argument that a strike on their facilities will grant them legitimicy in future nuclear endeavors? Wow. What could possibly make you think that? Think for a second. "Our nuke sites were blown up, therefore we now legitimately have the need for nuclear weapons!" Now does that sound like it makes sense to you? I mean honestly, tell me if it does.

Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Originally Posted by obvious Child

The threat of just Iranian nukes has always been overblown by the ignorant and those out for personal gain. The threat of what Iranian nukes will cause in the rest of the Middle East is really what the intelligent people are worried about. A nuclear arms race in arguably the most unstable region on the planet that also provides the lion share of hydrocarbons is pretty much a sh*tstorm waiting to happen.

Personally, despite the lunatic rantings of people saying Iran's leadership is crazy, nothing supports their rantings. Iran will use its nukes like North Korea, aka, not using them beyond diplomacy and internal domestic legitimacy building. But once Iran gets nukes, you can bet on everyone else in the region trying to get them. The law of large numbers comes up and when you couple that with the general instability of the region, the outcome is almost certainty to be bad.

This is very true. Fortunately, the United States has more influence with Saudi Arabia and Egypt than we do with Iran. I hope we can build our alliance with those nations and promise to encompass them under our nuclear umbrella, in exchange for a promise not to build nukes themselves.

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Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness

Mindless aggression? We're not talking about a drunk guy in a bar picking fights. We're talking about a strategic and tactical ally, whose intelligence services are superior to our own, gathering information on facility locations and taking them out.

Israel is the size of New Jersey and is 1,000 miles away from Tehran. And it would be flying over Arab states who would be reluctant, at best, to acquiesce to the use of its air space for an Israeli bombing campaign. There is simply no way Israel is capable of knocking out Iran's nuclear sites.

Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness

You may be able to live with a nuclear-armed Iran, but anyone with any common sense is not. What else do they have to do to convince you that they will use them?

I'm saying we don't have any good options for dealing with it.

Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness

Also, how do you know how many nuke facilities Iran has? Furthermore, how do you know what we do and don't know about them?

All I know is what I've read from interviews with people familiar with Iran. The consensus seems to be that they've learned from the mistakes of Iraq and Syria, and have spread their nuclear sites throughout the country and hidden them in difficult-to-bomb locations.

Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness

Your argument is based in wild speculation, to say the least.

Are you a member of the intelligence community who has been working on the Iran issue? If not, your argument is based on speculation as well. The difference is that *I* am not the one beating the war drums based on speculation.

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Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Originally Posted by Kandahar

He knows there isn't going to be an invasion, regardless of what he does. An American invasion of Iran would be a strategic disaster, even if it were politically possible which it isn't. Our military is stretched to the breaking point as is.

Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Originally Posted by Councilman

In law enforcement they use a tactic they call "tag" in dealing with bad guys all the time as a way to work there way up the food chain to the head bad guy. The same would work on people who send others out to be suicide bomb martyr. You should have noticed you have never hear of the guys at the top ever wanting to visit Allah for a chance at 72 virgins themselves?
By taking out the front man and quietly playing tag with those pulling the strings, you might get better results than talking to idiots. You'll find if you do a bit of research rather than relying on propaganda that most of these religious leaders seldom live the lives they preach and demand of others.

On another note. There is no need to do anything but hit Iran's nuclear sites with over whelming air power and in the process take out a large portion of there offensive military capabilities.

Or you could always just wait until they build a bomb and drop it on Israel which would cost the lives of millions of Iranian civilians who by the way, like the west in the retaliatory strike Israel would surely mount using massive amounts of H-bombs they most certainly have in large numbers and in the process drawing Russia or China or both into a larger war.

You could always just sit back and do nothing in the hope and belief that the hopelessly inept Peace Prize winner Messiah Obama will use his supernatural, miraculous powers to perform an extraordinary miracle of biblical proportions and bring peace a love to the middle east that will last for a thousand years.

Sorry to say, but this forum is frankly one of the worst I've ever seen, the moderation is laughably bad.

If this forum had even 3 more posters with this intelligence level, I'd come here more often, but as I said, this forum sucks.