Hey guys, I can't pick what trinkets i need to use, im a fire mage. ATM i use Wushoolay reforge crit (normal) and LotC reforge crit (normal). i also got Relic 2/2 in bank. (i can buy the shadopan VP trink if its better then some i got)

Hey guys, I can't pick what trinkets i need to use, im a fire mage. ATM i use Wushoolay reforge crit (normal) and LotC reforge crit (normal). i also got Relic 2/2 in bank. (i can buy the shadopan VP trink if its better then some i got)

The proc frequency changes based on the ilvl of the trinket:
- Unerring Vision of Lei-Shen – 0.525 RealPPM on damage/absorb from harmful spells and periodic spells.
No ICD.
Proc rate multiplied by 0.00 for non-caster specs.
Proc rate multiplied by 0.65 for Balance Druids.
Proc rate multiplied by 0.25 against player controlled units.
Proc rate multiplied by 1/(1.15^((528-ItemLevel)/15) for the various Item Level versions of the trinket.

The trinket might be powerful for some scenarios, but a proc at the right time's very rare.
That's why I hate the new RPPM trinkets, because you cannot align them with other CDs due to its unpredictability which is much easier with e.g. LOTC. (Well, Cha-Ye might be ok for me with it's scaling RPPM by crit rating and higher standard RPPM although the 10s duration is low *mimimi* :-) )

hmm... hard choice... LOTC has like 40ish uptime where hydra as only 20ish uptime... I personally would stick to heroic LOTC

40% of the proc from LOTC (2/2 HC) is approc 1.2k Int is it not? 20% of BoH is about the same with more passive stats. My personal experience with BoH is ~30% uptime. Will have to test this full week before being able to have some sort of conclusive evidence. (A party of one is far too small of a sample size to be conclusive, but much better than 3 bosses of logs in lfr

Can someone PLEASE show a breakdown of up-time on all of the 5.2 trinkets??? I think it will help us fellow mages greatly... Things I have noticed

Cha-ye and Breath BiS for single target

Cha-ye and Wushoolay's BiS for multi-dotting fights

Agree??

You can't really make a "Breakdown" of uptime on these trinkets in 5.2 as they are all PPM and will proc differently each fight since it is based a lot on RNG... If we were somehow able to lump together everyones parses and take an average of trinket uptime we could get a nice idea of average uptime. Unfortunately I do not know how to do that from world of logs.

You can't really make a "Breakdown" of uptime on these trinkets in 5.2 as they are all PPM and will proc differently each fight since it is based a lot on RNG... If we were somehow able to lump together everyones parses and take an average of trinket uptime we could get a nice idea of average uptime. Unfortunately I do not know how to do that from world of logs.

You could select all kills (or maybe + tries/wipes) and a player and watch his/her trinket uptime

Details for Player X --> All kills ---> Player X ---> Buffs gained ---> Find your trinket buff, but this is just a small sample size.

Or you do sims with simcraft, but this would more or less lead to an average uptime which you can also calculte by yourself
( Buff Duration * RPPM * Haste ) / 60

You could select all kills (or maybe + tries/wipes) and a player and watch his/her trinket uptime

Details for Player X --> All kills ---> Player X ---> Buffs gained ---> Find your trinket buff, but this is just a small sample size.

Or you do sims with simcraft, but this would more or less lead to an average uptime which you can also calculte by yourself
( Buff Duration * RPPM * Haste ) / 60

Agreed on that statement. I suppose that my point was that because of RPPM you can't say "Uptime is this" because it varies by class, spec, overall haste, etc. since they tweak PPM on things based on your spec.

As an aside, let me post my uptime on the Tforged BoH I recieved off of Megera last week for comparison to anyone who would like to see:

Ji'Kun: 25.6%
Durumu: 22.4%
Primo: 39.9%

Note my armory has me at 10.14% base haste.
Probably worth noting on Primo you have buffs and many adds to dot which will skew the proc rate up.

- Unerring is just way too RNG to get any real benefit out of it.
- SPA is a Haste procc; something that doesn't work too well for Fire, especially with its horrible 10s duration.
- Wushoolay, like Unerring, it too RNG based on when your cooldowns are ready and if you're good to go with a HU/HS for Alter Time/PoM. It's better than SPA though because it has an Int procc.
- Cha-Ye is good, but unless it's Thunderforged, I personally don't feel it's better than LotC just because LotC isn't RPPM, has an AMAZING uptime and ICD, and has steady proccs because of NT. Cha-Ye is based on Crits, so the only guaranteed proccer is IB. You know when you don't get a string of crits? Yeah, Cha-Ye won't procc then either, but that could be a good thing because you know you'll have a better chance to procc Cha-Ye when you get those 3 crits for your HU/HS before an AT.
- H LotC is just so amazing.
- BoH I feel is the best because of the 20s duration and super-high Int procc compared to LotC. The only downside is the Uptime/RNG of the trinket, but RNG is Fire's main game.

Using these notes, I'll add the heroic info (skipping upgrades/TF because too much annoyance):

H BoH > H Cha-Ye > H LotC >= H Wushoolay > H Unerring > SPA

While I'm not using math to back up my information (so feel free to ignore me if you want to math out averages and whatnot), I do use logic. RNG is generally a bad thing to add to an RNG-heavy specc. Wushoo and Unerring are way too RNG to get any really good benefit out of them unless your stars align for you. SPA is just terrible, but its a good trinket if you are unlucky with the drops (as I am when it comes to trinkets >_>). H LotC is just so incredible that I recommend any and all Fire Mages to try and pug/OpenRaid heroic MSV to get it.

Got my Cha'ye yesterday it was TF and tried it out on Lei'shen. The umptime for frost with this trinket is just insane. It procced about 3 times on the first of the 4 platforms and at leat 2 times on each other platform.

I read that it would seem 1+2 are the best to use.
I havn't had time to test the uptime on Cha'Ye tho, but I dont like the loss of 1400+ int and in general I'm fond of the static int on SPA and the haste which mostly procs where it's beneficial (cept during berserk/bl etc).
Quite certain I shoudn't replace LOTC, it's just pwn atm

quick second opinions plz, have to trade the Cha'Ye to our Sp if I shouldn't use it over SPA

Got my Cha'ye yesterday it was TF and tried it out on Lei'shen. The umptime for frost with this trinket is just insane. It procced about 3 times on the first of the 4 platforms and at leat 2 times on each other platform.

I love this thing!

Lei'shen 10:56min fight:

27 Cha'ye Procs 528
13 LotC procs 510

Very Nice Trinket.

Does Cha'ye use shatter-buffed crit when determining RPPM chance when appropriate?