Here's my two bits. I'd have to guess that Canada and Mexico are pretty much in the same boat as America. I mentioned in another post, that I invision southern BC looking a bit like the Maze, southern Ontario and Quebec having the crap blasted out of them, and Alberta probably not being too much better off.

At least for Alberta (cause I live there), I see the northern part being a little like the Soiux (spelling?), but not as frightening. Mainly a huge Old-Wayer hangout. Most of Alberta would probably be ok (what with a 3 hour drive between our two major centres). Though there are a bunch of oil rig communities which I'd guess wouldn't fair well.

As for the rest of the world, I see most of Euorpe being a little worse off then the West. There are more closely knit centres there, and I'd imagine than France and the UK (in particular) taking a heavy beating. I actually see Russia being a little better off (physically) than America. I seem to think that since the fall of the Soviet Union, most of this area would have fallen off of the immediate radar.

Korea, China, and Japan probably wouldn't even exist. The mass population, and the modern day trend of fearing China and parts of Korea would likely land both on alot of countries' hit lists. I also see moat of the Third World having survived the bomb, but probably not the fallout and radiation.

All that said, I do think that alot of countries just started blasting out of principle, so Russia and parts of the Third World may not have fared as well. Also, Europe probably didn't have to deal much with the "Enemy Within" (bombs flying from within Europe), so I may have faired a little better, and thus be around equal level as North America.

personally I'd rather disguard the whole dead east thingy. It closes off a great deal of adventure oppertunities. Who wouldn't like to fall to their knees in front of a shattered statue of liberty screaming 'you maniacs, you blew it up!'

I think it's kind of a cop out from writing a back east sourcebook.

"If this were a perfect world I wouldn't know what a rat tasted like"
-Lazlo Huber

The main difference between America and Europe: America has Biker gangs, Europe has Chavs. Anyone care to argue?

Actually, considering how railroad is much more prevailent in Europe, I could totally see groups of Wasters making war trains and ether using them to raid settlements like tanks or as mobile fortresses to launch biker groups from...

JimmyKippins wrote:Yeah, but then some smart wasters would jack up the rails=no railroad.

Actually, a sourcebook for Japan would be cool, but there'd be alot less survivors, and alot less guns, and it would probably be some weird anime-deadlands mishmash.

Oh well.

Considering all of the excessive corperate sprawl and the past issues with dumping excess waste like New Jersy, I think it'd be a paradise for Toxic Shamans. The whole shinto thing ties it together nicely, really.

JimmyKippins wrote:Yeah, but then some smart wasters would jack up the rails=no railroad.

Actually, a sourcebook for Japan would be cool, but there'd be alot less survivors, and alot less guns, and it would probably be some weird anime-deadlands mishmash.

Oh well.

Considering all of the excessive corperate sprawl and the past issues with dumping excess waste like New Jersy, I think it'd be a paradise for Toxic Shamans. The whole shinto thing ties it together nicely, really.

I could see Tokyo being something straight out of Shin Megami Tensai, with Demons (I.E. abominations) running amok topside and the last few groups of humans cloistered together in shopping malls underground. The amount of guns wouldn't be too low because of the low population remaining, but ammo might be a problem.

JimmyKippins wrote:Yeah, but then some smart wasters would jack up the rails=no railroad.

If this where true, wouldn't the American wasters have done it to the roads and highways? No, such infastructure is too importent... besides, the gangs could always enslave people to fix the damn things.

Well, I wouldn't be suprised if entire sections of highways have been destroyed (hell, ever since one incident involving an overpass collapsing on a small trade caravan for a raider ambush, the posse's been paranoid on freeways).

Still, you gotta remember that the Convoy is always repairing and patching up the major highways, so it's not as much of a problem as it could be.

I'm interested in Hawaii. What did you guys have planned/do for Hawaii? Who owned it, the U.S. or the Confeds? What kind of Hawaiian horrors could have spawned there? Was there any precedent for oddness, as in some Weird West details on the place?

I like to think that perhaps the U.S. Government survived there and is planning to rebuild the country. Perhaps this is the organization Leo Poe mentioned in "Cyborgs". Maybe important officials we're secreted away to Pearl Harbor, to sit and plot and plan the conquest of the Earth.

What do you guys think? What's going on in Hawaii (and for that matter, what about Alaska)?

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In the Doom novels, Hawaii was one of the last outposts of mankind, and probably the most well-defended; it seemed like a neat idea. Mainly, I just like the Fallout 2 "Enclave" thing. It was so very very cool to find out the big secret. The whole game your fighting and killing these jerks in power armor, slowing finding out more and more about them; they've got helicopters, they're blowing junk up, enslaving people, and doing all kinds of shady stuff. When you finally discover you're fighting what's left of the U.S. gov, its a mind job. I was excited to kill the greedy war pig bastards who had blown up the world in the first place.

Too bad for us Europeans but it's probably one big radio-active zone filled with undead. So yes, like the American East. Russia/Mongolia would be better off, as do some more inland parts of China. India, Japan, Korea, ... same as Europe/Am. West.

Ironically, Africa seems like the best place to survive the Apocalypse relatively unscathed. Except for some big population centers (like Johannesburg, Mogadishu, ...) nothing will be thouroughly nuked. The population itself is probably already an expert in survival, 'cause in the real world now they life in conditions even worse than the American West as described in the sourcebooks (don't believe me? Go check it out for yourself!).
Latin America is probably a cross between Africa in some areas and Am. East in others.

Best place to be? Antarctica! Nothing to fear but some hordes of rabid undead penguïns! (No it's not cold, global heating takes care of that!)

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.
— Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil

Hey, last someone posted here was me, back in april. "Keep it up" might be hard without a reviving boost.

Kain A. Ashburner wrote:Actually, considering how railroad is much more prevailent in Europe, I could totally see groups of Wasters making war trains and ether using them to raid settlements like tanks or as mobile fortresses to launch biker groups from...

Railroads are nothing like ordinary roads. One very important difference is that you can't maneuver at all; you're stuck on the tracks. Not a nice thought considering all major 'arteries' pass through cities =>deadlands by now.
Isolated areas would maybe use a small part of rails (for transport from one town to the next; but not much further).
Also, train-repairmen are even more rare than car-repairmen. Trains that fall into disuse can hardly be repaired anymore.

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.