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Do you think it is okay to claim a find when....

Some of the other treads have touched on this subject so I thought I'd bring it up in its own thread.

It is okay to claim a find on a cache that you have found before if you find it again after something significant has changed about it, like its location?

Do you think it is ever okay to log a find on one of your own caches or one you helped someone else hide? What if someone else rehid it in a slightly different spot and you had to search and search for it?

I don't think I would never log a cache twice, even if it were moved.
I don't think I would ever log my own cache for any reason.

I know a person who found his own cache which turned up missing. It was more than a half mile I think from the original location and under 4 feet of water. That's pretty darn near deserving of being able to log a find in my book, but I probably would still not do it myself.

Geocaching is not really a competition, so it doesn't really matter. If a person feels valid doing either one, then I will live with it. But I don't think it's right under most circumstances, so I don't agree with the practice in general.

I kind of did that on Casco Bay Cache. I made up a new one and rehid it because the owner had not archived for 6mo. even with people logging DNFs. I found the clue mentioned and knew I wasnt going to get credit for making up a new cache so I logged it found. I see B. Girl looked for it last week and logged a DNF. I guess I'll have to go check on it again. I wasnt sure if what I was doing was going to be politicaly correct but will have to live with it I guess.
I did notice when going over my cache stats that I logged my 8th cache 'Got You Covered' twice. I didnt know how or what to do with a travel bug. Team Trout came to my rescue and helped me out. The extra find has now been fixed.

Just to get it off the filtered list?

Well, our 9 year old son, who decided to start his own user id, Spider King, to keep track of his finds wanted to hide a cache of his own. I helped him develop a multi-cache at a site not too far from our home.

So, you know how you have the handy "filter finds" link on your account details page on gc.com that takes you to a list of the nearest caches that you haven't logged a find for. Well now I have his cache showing up near the top of the list on my first page of nearest undone caches, and I know I shouldn't log a find for it and I can't figure out a way to easily have it filtered off.

It's killing me! It's like I've got this item on the top of my "To-Do" list that I know I never can do.

It's killing me! It's like I've got this item on the top of my "To-Do" list that I know I never can do.

Ah! I knew Spiderking had some connection, I saw a few logs in the caches we did down that way last weekend. We did that multi in fact!
Anyway, that is a dilema and not much you can do about it. Too bad you couldn't have helped him hide it without actually knowing where. Hopefully MsTeeLee will be hiding one up here soon, I might help her some but I want to be able to find it myself so I'm not gonna be there for that part.
Maybe another member of team trout wasn't present and could look for it and log it?

Too bad you couldn't have helped him hide it without actually knowing where.

Well, it turns out that it has kind of evolved into something like that.

It happened like this, one day last week my wife and my son and the rest of our kids swing by just to check on my son's cache and none of them could find it. They searched and searched but nothing. So he posted a note that it was missing and disabled the cache.

In the meantime we're having an ongoing email conversation with the last finder of the cache, who by the way, had just found it the night before they checked on it. Based on his description it sounded like the cache could have been rehidden in a bit of a different, harder to find spot. But, my wife and son were certain they'd done a thorough search and it was missing.

So we made up a new, replacement cache and they went back a few days later to hide it. Before hiding it they gave the place another thorough search with the last finder's description in mind. And low and behold they found it! Furthermore, they liked the new location better than the one it had originally been hidden in so they decided to leave it there. But, it is still close enough to the original spot that the coordinates didn't need to be change, as brdad can attest to as he was the first one who found it in the new location.

So, I haven't been back myself to find it in its new location. That is kind of like not actually knowing where it hides, right?

It is okay to claim a find on a cache that you have found before if you find it again after something significant has changed about it, like its location?

Even if the location of a previously found cache has been moved, I would only log it as a find for a second time if the cache owner has explicitly stated that logging for a second time is ok.

Which brings up another question. If your cache goes missing, but you want to maintain it in that general area, do you disable it until you can get back out there to replace it, or do you archive it and place a new one? We have tended towards the latter, often appending the roman numeral II, III, etc. to the cache name. In this way, we allow cachers a new find, and it also serves as a historical record of our cache placements.