how so? he almost has the record for most career wins, 3365 strikeouts, 3.15 career era, and 4 cy youngs (which were won in 4 consecutive years). don't even bother saying roger clemens is better because he's not. maddux never used steroids and had to cheat to get an advantage. maddux = best pitcher of all time. hell he did all of that without throwing a single fastball 90 mph or better.

oh yea he did it all during the hitters era too and endured the steroids era as well. just imagine how dominant he would've been back when the fences were further back and the mound was 6 inches higher.

how so? he almost has the record for most career wins, 3365 strikeouts, 3.15 career era, and 4 cy youngs (which were won in 4 consecutive years). don't even bother saying roger clemens is better because he's not. maddux never used steroids and had to cheat to get an advantage. maddux = best pitcher of all time. hell he did all of that without throwing a single fastball 90 mph or better.

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ALMOST has the record for career wins? He is 158 wins behind the career record.

Maddux is one of the greats but he isn't the greatest of all time, I would go with Walter Johnson. As far as this era he is right there with Randy Johnson

how so? he almost has the record for most career wins, 3365 strikeouts, 3.15 career era, and 4 cy youngs (which were won in 4 consecutive years). don't even bother saying roger clemens is better because he's not. maddux never used steroids and had to cheat to get an advantage. maddux = best pitcher of all time. hell he did all of that without throwing a single fastball 90 mph or better.

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ive seen maddux hit 91 on the gun but besides that

look at how many wins he got in the twilight of his career throwing seasons over a 4.00 era

i mean i can give him cred for his relative consistency and longevity, to me hes more like emmit smith than barry sanders

and i probably meant more like 10 than 20

i would put koufax, gibson, rocket, ryan, pedro (3 cy youngs 2 seconds and a 3rd; 2.91 career era) ahead of him and you still got guys like unit, carlton ,sutton, seaver, palmer, feller i mean its debatable but IMO i cant give him BEST OF ALL TIME