If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

The SSG BATTLE OF THE MACHINES Round 1 - Fight 10!

You are voting on the OLD Slave-One, People. Released in 1996 as part of the Shadows of the Empire toy line, this repaint of the mold used for the vintage Boba Fett's 1981 toy accessory was an exciting chance for early collectors of the modern line to expand their toy ship fleet early in the Star Wars renaissance. Slave One features a removeable side panel that allows playtime access to the interior of the ship. So Boba Fett can walk up his extending boarding ramp and into his cargo hold until he makes his way to the multi-position pilot's chair, which can be pivoted up into its flight position in the cockpit, with the use of a remote lever. Once its ready to fly, Slave-One can receive your help with a manual liftoff, but gravity will reposition its flight stabalizer wings all on its own - unless you lock the secret trigger on the carrying handle in back, and make the wings resist forward motion and act like braking flaps to help Fett achieve some of his trickier flight maneuvers. This Kuat Systems Firespray class light patrol craft also features twin, forward, pivoting laser cannons that operate on a linked firing system. Slave One sports a very detailed, battered and battle-worn art deco, easily making this toy one of the best paint jobs on a Star Wars toy vehicle in the history of the entire line. Finally, a bounty hunter's work is never done until he has captured its prey. Slave One comes ready to hold the Carbon Frozen Han Solo prop included with the toy!

Dash Rendar's Outrider has a lot more things Corellian about it. The ship is a light Corellian courier / cargo ship, but mercenary Dash Rendar has armed it to the teeth for fast and furious fighting, as well as more refined smuggling. The ship sports 2 pairs of twin blaster cannons, positioned centrally on the ships main freighter hull, on top and on bottom. You can make-believe the pilot can remotely operate them from the cockpit, but theoretically, they actually should be able to also be manned from inside. A pivoting ion cannon / military grade turbo laser cannon has been attached to the small freighter's side. On the opposite side of the ship, the cylindrical cockpit stems out of the ships main saucer hull and holds one action figure in a chair that can be manually rotated so the pilot is always "right-side-up" relative to the ship's normal flight axis. What's unique about the Outrider is that in battle, the ship can reposition its weaponry into almost a B-wing configuration by rotating its control and main weapons module ends along a central axis point, so they lock at a 90 degree angle to the hull, supported by a central "tunnel" structure that runs the width of the freighter. In this position, the Outrider can maximize the damage done with the super firepower this ship makes a show of flaunting! 4 manually operated landing gear let this ship park itself in position.

So which one do you think do you think has a shot at the top position amongst all the Star Wars vehicles turned into toys by Hasbro?

Now it's rare for me to state my opinion this early in a poll - it would be much more politically correct of me to let everyone else vote and discuss this first, but the Outrider is one of those ships that just irks me!

Don't get me wrong: I'm really glad they made it, and before it was even added to the Special Edition (of A New Hope), I was stoked that Hasbro was making Expanded Universe stuff - vehicles especially! I have my Outrider proudly on display still, and I can see it from my desk as I'm typing right now.

But the ship "should have been" the size of the Millennium Falcon toy to be on scale to the figures (so they could walk under it at least). The "real" Outrider would board just like the Falcon.

As you might have guessed, A Falcon on scale with the action figures would have also been maybe 200% larger than the toy we have, as well. But the decision was made (probably wisely from Hasbro's perspective) to make the Outrider on scale with the toy Falcon we already had. That just sucks, doesn't it? (both vehicles' sizes)

Finally, the "real" Outrider does not convert into a "B-wing" type of fight mode. If that were a real feature of the ship, could you imaging the technical difficulties in designing an axis tube that pivots through the entire hull - and seals off the ship from the vacuum of space?

I'm with you Tycho. Both ships are out of scale, but Slave 1 is much closer to how it appears in the Star Wars universe. At least Boba Fett has a place to store his bounties in. How is Dash supposed to smuggle/ transport anything in that ship of his? I applauded them for trying to make a new ship from scratch, but I thought it might be better off if they stuck with using old molds when I actually laid eyes on it. Slave 1 wins this round no question. When I have to choose between THIS Slave 1 and the new one, however.........

Unfair

This was an unfair match up from the beginning. There are plenty more Boba Fett/Slave One fans out there than Dash/Outrider. You get popularity votes just for the appeal of the character and the fact that Slave one is more prominent than Outrider (Especially now with the advent of EPII). I would bet that many of the vote are cast because of this and not the toy itself. Wolfwood319 describe's it best what the Outrider is trying to be. Slave One is a unique ship with no discernable look to anything real or previously made in all of sci-fi. I think that the original design coupled with the cult following of Boba doomed the Outrider from the start.

Re: Unfair

Originally posted by jedi master sal Wolfwood319 describe's it best what the Outrider is trying to be. Slave One is a unique ship with no discernable look to anything real or previously made in all of sci-fi. I think that the original design coupled with the cult following of Boba doomed the Outrider from the start.

Maybe but that doesn't have any effect on my vote.

I was extremely excited about the Outrider coming out. I had seen it in the comics and I had even gotten to fly it in the PC game. But once I had it in my hands, it really started to **** me off. Like Tycho said, it should have been much bigger; the Outrider is a freighter, not a starfighter. (am I wrong or didn't they even call it a starfighter on the box somwhere?) I don't even think it is on scale with the current Falcon.

Secondly, the rotating cockpit just doesn't make any sense at all. What possible function could that serve? It doesn't make the ship any thinner, in fact it makes it a larger target and easier to shoot down. So wtf? Also the side gun is ridiculous; If you're going to spend a YEAR or more designing and planning a story and vehicles like they did with Shadows of the Empire, WHY DON'T YOU STAY CONSISTENT? That wasn't how the Outrider was designed and it isn't how it should have been made by Hasbro.

So Slave 1 gets my vote, moetly because I think the Outrider was such a wasted opportunity by Hasbro.

Originally posted by Tycho
Don't get me wrong: I'm really glad they made it, and before it was even added to the Special Edition (of A New Hope), I was stoked that Hasbro was making Expanded Universe stuff - vehicles especially! I have my Outrider proudly on display still, and I can see it from my desk as I'm typing right now.

This might be a silly question, and if it is, feel free to delete this message , but I never saw the Outrider in ANH - did I miss something?
Could anyone possibly tell me where this ship is seen in ANH? Is it one of those things you have to look really hard for, and it's only on screen for like a second?

I voted for Slave 1, myself. I don't know, I guess the Outrider looked too much like the Millenium Falcon, and it was an EU vehicle. The Slave 1 just looks better, IMO, and has more to do with the Star Wars saga, it would seem.
That's really all I have to go on, as I don't have either of these toys. I had thought about buying a Slave 1, but I'm going to wait until the AOTC version comes out.

I agree with all the previous posts, so me leaving one is kind of a waste of space But ("Fett factor" not withstanding), I think Slave I was an overall better toy. You couldn't really do much with the Outrider as far as playability, but it was a cool looking ship. It's too bad it wasn't bigger. Like, you know, the size of the gun the Dash Rendar figure came with

PSST....You can see the Outrider leaving Mos Eisley in ANH SE during the overhead shot when Luke, Obi-Wan, etc. are arriving.

The general concensus seems to be that the Outrider is not really the Outrider at all, but some kind of mutant fighter sized ship like an O-Wing or something. And if you bought them when they were on clearance, you could have a whole squadron of O-Wings. This was a totally unfair match-up Tycho. Maybe you could do a CruiseMissile Trooper vs. Power F/X X-Wing and make it a little more fair.

Point goes to Slave-1.

I can't wait until round two when we are getting odd match ups like Millenuim Falcon vs the Speeder bike.

No contest here. The Slave I rips Dash and his wannabe Falcon a new one, actually several new ones.

I don't have the Outrider, because it came out before I started collecting, but it doesn't look like it matches up to all the extras that the Slave I has. All you get with it besides landing gear is the lame-o tilt feature. I go with Wolfwood on this one. It looks like someone at Hasbro or Lucasfilm or where ever tried to make some kind of bastard Falcon-BWing hybrid.

The next one we have to decide is Slave I SOTE/POTF vs. Slave I AOTC.

"I'm just a YES man trying to make my way in the universe." - Jango McCallum

"Good dialogue and smooth editing are no match for a good YES man by your side, kid." - George Lucas