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When seeking advice about where to go, please list how much it will cost you to attend the school rather than the amount of your scholarship award.

I suppose this thread will slide to page 2, 3, 4, and out of the LSD realm relatively quickly, but I just had to say it because typically my first post in every one of those threads is "How much will it cost you to attend each school?" I am a law student, so I am incapable of arithmetic such as dividing by three and subtracting numbers that have more than one digit. Thanks.

Let's not get off track. This is what put you losers into tier 2 in the first place. Rather than dealing with challenges, you changed the subject.

The challenge posed by this thread, was to find one good job for an average tier 2 grad.

So, apparently, to get an answer to this question, there must be a separate thread where the specific topic or "challenge" is to figure out who is wiimote. Feel free to speculate wildly. Maybe wiimote will grace us with his/her presence and take the challenge.

Who is wiimote? Is he/she a 0L, student, graduate, or none of the above? If student/graduate, then where?

I've seen numerous threads on conditional scholarships, but none with a list of what the conditions are at each school. How about we start a list? Please specify the admissions cycle along with any requirements. If the school has a GPA requirement and you know the curve or have confirmed with Admissions roughly what the class rank cutoff is, please post that info as well. Thanks!

Unless otherwise stated, all scholarships are renewable for 3 years.

University of AkronUniversity of Alabama = Top 25% (2007-2008)Albany Law SchoolAmerican UniversityAppalachianUniversity of Arizona = Good Standing (2007-2008); None (2006-2007)Arizona State UniversityUniversity of Arkansas School of Law = Top 20% (2006-2007)University of Arkansas at Little RockAve Maria - 3.00 GPA (2005-2006)University of BaltimoreBarry UniversityBaylor University = 2.60 GPA, roughly top 50% (2007-2008)Boston College = None (2006-2007)Boston University = None (2006-2007)Brigham Young UniversityBrooklynUniversity at Buffalo Law School, The State University of New York (SUNY) University of California, Berkeley (Boalt Hall) University of California, Davis (King Hall) University of California, HastingsUniversity of California at Los Angeles California WesternCampbell UniversityCapital UniversityBenjamin N. CardozoCase Western Reserve UniversityCatholic University of AmericaChapman UniversityCharlestonUniversity of Chicago = none (2007-2008)Chicago-Kent College of Law, Illinois Institute of Technology = 3.25 GPA, curve located here (2007-2008)University of CincinnatiCity University of New YorkCleveland State University University of Colorado = 3.00 GPA (2007-2008)Columbia UniversityUniversity of ConnecticutCornell = None (2006-2007)Creighton University University of Dayton University of Denver = 3.0 GPA (2007-2008)DePaul University = 2.7 to 3.5 GPA depending on amountUniversity of Detroit MercyUniversity of the District of ColumbiaDrake University Law School Duke University School of Law = None (2007-2008, 2006-2007)Duquesne University School of Law Emory University School of Law = None (2006-2007)Faulkner University, Thomas Goode Jones School of Law Florida A&M University College of Law Florida Coastal School of Law = 3.0 GPA (2007-2008)University of Florida, Fredric G. Levin College of Law Florida International University College of Law Florida State University College of Law Fordham University School of Law Franklin Pierce Law Center George Mason University School of Law = Top 33% (2006-2007)George Washington University Law School = 3.00 for Presidential (2007-2008); None (2006-2007)Georgetown University Law Center = Good Standing (2007-2008); None (2006-2007)University of Georgia School of Law Georgia State University College of Law Golden Gate University School of Law = 3.00 GPA (2007-2008)Gonzaga University School of Law Hamline University School of Law = 2.90 GPA (2007-2008)Harvard Law School University of Hawai‘i at Mānoa—William S. Richardson School of Law Hofstra University School of Law University of Houston Law Center = 2.90 GPA, curve is 2.90-3.10 (2006-2007)Howard University School of Law University of Idaho College of Law University of Illinois College of Law = Good Standing (2007-2008) Indiana University School of Law—Bloomington = Top 33% (2006-2007); Top 50% (2005-2006)Indiana University School of Law—Indianapolis = 3.40 GPA, curve located here (2007-2008)Inter American University School of Law The University of Iowa College of Law The John Marshall Law School John Marshall Law School—Atlanta University of Kansas School of Law University of Kentucky College of Law University of La Verne College of Law Lewis & Clark Law School = 3.00 GPA (2007-2008)Liberty University School of Law Louis D. Brandeis School of Law at the University of Louisville Louisiana State University, Paul M. Hebert Law Center = Top 25% (2007-2008)Loyola Law School, Loyola Marymount University Loyola University Chicago School of Law Loyola University New Orleans College of Law University of Maine School of Law Marquette University Law School = Good Standing (2007-2008)University of Maryland School of Law The University of Memphis—Cecil C. Humphreys School of Law Mercer University—Walter F. George School of Law = Good Standing (2006-2008)University of Miami School of Law = 3.00 GPA, roughly top 50% (2006-2007)University of Michigan Law School = None (2006-2007) 2.00 GPA (2005-2006)Michigan State University College of Law University of Minnesota Law School = 2.5 GPA (2007-2008); 3.33 GPA (2005-2006) The University of Mississippi School of Law Mississippi College School of Law University of Missouri—Columbia School of Law University of Missouri—Kansas City School of Law University of Montana School of Law University of Nebraska College of Law University of Nevada, Las Vegas, William S. Boyd School of Law New England School of Law University of New Mexico School of Law New York Law School New York University School of Law = None, reduced 3L unless public interest career (2006-2007)University of North Carolina School of Law = Good Standing (2005-2006)North Carolina Central University School of Law University of North Dakota School of Law Northeastern University School of Law Northern Illinois University College of Law Northern Kentucky UniversityNorthwestern University School of Law = None (2007-2008)Notre Dame Law School = Good standing (2007-2008)Nova Southeastern University Ohio Northern UniversityOhio State University Moritz College of Law University of Oklahoma College of Law = B- GPA (2005-2006)Oklahoma City University School of Law = Top 50% (2005-2006)University of Oregon School of Law Pace University School of Law University of the Pacific, McGeorge School of Law = Top 33% (2006-2007)Penn State University, The Dickinson School of Law = 3.0 GPA (2007-2008)University of Pennsylvania Law School Pepperdine University School of Law University of Pittsburgh School of Law = None or 3.00 GPA (2007-2008)Pontifical Catholic University of Puerto Rico School of Law University of Puerto Rico School of Law Quinnipiac University School of Law = Top 33%, full renewal; Top 50%, 80% renewal (2007-2008)Regent University School of Law University of Richmond School of Law Roger Williams University School of Law Rutgers—The State University of New Jersey—School of Law—Camden Rutgers University School of Law—Newark = 3.00 GPA (2006-2007)St. John's University School of Law Saint Louis University School of Law St. Mary's University School of Law University of St. Thomas School of Law—Minneapolis St. Thomas University School of Law = 2.00 GPA (2007-2008)Samford University, Cumberland School of Law = Good standing, presidential (2007-2008)University of San Diego—School of Law University of San Francisco School of Law Santa Clara University School of Law Seattle University School of Law Seton Hall University School of Law SMU Dedman School of Law = Good Standing (2005-2006)University of South Carolina School of Law = Good standing and nonresident for 1/2 tuition (2007-2008)The University of South Dakota School of Law South Texas College of Law University of Southern California, Gould School of Law = None (2007-2008)Southern Illinois University School of Law Southern University Law Center Southwestern Law School Stanford University Law School Stetson University College of Law Suffolk University Law School = 3.0 GPA (2007-2008)Syracuse University College of Law Temple University—James E. Beasley School of Law = Top 50% (2005-2006)University of Tennessee College of Law University of Texas School of Law = None (2007-2008)Texas Southern University—Thurgood Marshall School of Law Texas Tech University School of Law = Good standing (2007-2008); Top 50% (2006-2007);Texas Wesleyan University School of Law Thomas M. Cooley Law School = 2.00 GPA / good standing (2007-2008)Thomas JeffersonUniversity of ToledoTouro CollegeTulane University = 3.00 for some (2007-2008)University of TulsaUniversity of Utah S.J. Quinney College of Law Valparaiso University School of Law Vanderbilt University Law School = None (2007-2008)Vermont Law School Villanova University University of Virginia = None (2006-2007)Wake Forest University Washburn University = 3.00 GPA (2007-2008)University of WashingtonWashington and Lee University = None for $5K (2007-2008); 3.00 GPA (2006-2007)Washington University = None (2006-2007)Wayne State University West Virginia University Western New England College Western State UniversityWhittierWidener University = 3.00 GPA, curved at 2.3 GPA (2007-2008)Willamette University William & Mary = C average (2007-2008); 3.00 GPA (2006-2007)William Mitchell College of Law University of Wisconsin = Good Standing, 2.00 GPA (2007-2008)University of Wyoming Yale

I've been out of school a little while, and I'm not really sure how to address law school profs. Profs at my undergrad school with JDs and no PhDs were just "Mr. / Mrs.," but how do you address your law school profs? Does this depend on the school?

I keep getting e-mails from schools that rejected me. It's initially heartbreaking, then funny, then depressing again. lol. No question, really, I just wanted to get that off my chest.

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The Office of Student Financial Services (OSFS) has received your 2007-08 FAFSA application data electronically from the US Department of Education. However, we cannot process your application because you have not yet been admitted to the University.

Questions regarding your admission status should be directed to the Office of Admissions at 512-475-7399 (512-475-7440 for freshmen; 512-475-7390 for Graduate students) or the Admissions home page at: http://www.utexas.edu/prospective.

This is the methodology I used when I was applying, and it worked for me. I am curious if any of you would like to follow this method and post your results.

I used the the ABA/LSAC data to see 1) the # of students receiving full tuition or more scholarship and 2) the applicant profile of each school. I took the total # of students receiving full tuition or more scholarships, divided by 3, and looked at the applicant profile to see if my scores placed me among the top students (who are the most likely to receive scholarships).

If you look at the applicant profile in a sweeping fashion (upper left box, then the box to the right of it and the box below it, then boxes to the right and bottom of those starting in the highest LSAT range, etc.) you could probably get a good indication of what your scores need to be in order to receive a full ride. This favors the LSAT score slightly because you always look for the LSAT score first.

Whatever bracket you reach following the sweeping methodology I described above, your scores should be at that or higher on your numbered list. Sometimes, however, there are outlier LSAT scores. Someone with a 177 LSAT and 3.10 GPA comes to mind, which could get a full ride over someone with a 165 LSAT and 3.75 GPA (even though the list above says they shouldn't). You could include those if you want.

The amounts will vary greatly depending on the school. For example, look at two similarly-ranked schools, Arizona and American (please note that the rank used is from the 2007 USNWR and the LSAT/GPA 75% are from ABA/LSAC):

So, from the list above, your expectation to receive a full tuition scholarship should be extremeley high if your scores are:1) LSAT 175-180 GPA 3.75+2) LSAT 175-180 GPA 3.50-3.74You have a good chance at a full scholarship if your scores are:3) LSAT 170-174 GPA 3.75+

Here's a comparison of what happend with some of my lower-ranked schools (scores 160/4.0).McGeorge: (Rank #97, LSAT 75% 159, GPA 75% 3.48 ... includes both full and part time)# of students receiving full tuition or more scholarships / 3 = 6Top 6 applicants' scores = LSAT 165-180 GPA 3.75+Predicted Result = no full scholarship with my scoresActual Result = no full scholarship

This method is not perfect because it assumes that everyone offered the full tuition scholarships will accept. The # of scholarships data is based on those who actually attend the school and have scholarships while the applicant profile data is based on only those who are admitted (but do not necessarily attend). So, this methodology produces a conservative estimate. Also, it does not account for special scholarships such as diversity of public interest full tuition scholarships, or the self-selection involved with scholarships that require special applications. For example, American offers 10 public interest/service full tuition scholarships a year, so when you look at the data above, you see it's very unlikely that you will receive a full scholarship from American based solely on LSAT and GPA.

For anyone this application cycle that did not receive a full tuition scholarship but was realistically hoping for it from a particular school, I encourage you to follow the methodology above and post your results. Similarly, if you do receive a full scholarship from a school, I also encourage you to post your results. I would really be interested to see if this process works for other people as it has worked for me.

The University of Iowa was a school I considered attending this fall. I have decided not to attend, but previously I did some research using www.nalpdirectory.com to get a better idea of the firms that recruit at Iowa. I feel like it would be a waste to throw this away, and maybe someone on these boards would like to view it and/or help finish it.

Firm # - The number of employees at the firm in total.Office - Location of the office. If multiple offices for the same firm interview on campus, then the largest size office is included here. The rest of the information (salary, etc.) might be office-specific.

Salary - Salary for first year associates.

2L Sum - The first number is the number of 2L summer associates the firm employed. The second number is the number of these 2Ls that were offered full-time employment.

Hrs. Req. - The number of billable hours the firm says they require.

2005 Hrs. - The average number of billable hours worked by associates at the firm (as reported by the employer in 2005).

IA / WUSTL / MN / ND / IL / IN-BLOOM / WI - The number of graduates working at the firm from each school (University of Iowa, Washington University, University of Minnesota, University of Notre Dame, University of Illinois, University of Indiana at Bloomington, University of Wisconsin). These numbers are obtained by searching the the firm's website through the attorney search function only. If left blank, then the website did not allow visitors to search their attorneys by school name. If a school is highlighted (excluding Iowa) it means the empoyer recruits at that school. If this document is completed, I foresee dividing the # of graduates at each school by graduating class size of that school. This would provide a more relative number for comparing firms that recruit at multiple schools. For example, Blackwell Sanders employs 10 Iowa graduates and 6 Notre Dame graduates, but Iowa's recent class size according to www.nalpschoolsonline.com is about 219 whereas Notre Dame's is about 180. So, relative to class size, the numbers are 4.6% for Iowa and 3.3% for Notre Dame.

US Offices with 25+ attorneys - These are other offices maintained by the firm. Only offices with at least 25 attorneys are listed here.

I did not finish coding the # of graduates who work at each firm before my tuition deposit was due. Since I am not attending a school in the Midwest, I have little enthusiasm to finish the required research. However, if anyone interested in Iowa (or the other schools) would like to help me finish this data, I would be happy to insert your research into the document and upload the new document. Just post the document in this thread or PM for e-mail address.