The Xbox One and Why I Hate the Gaming Community

tl:dr? If you read the article you'll realize that I don't care anymore.

Wednesday March 23rd, 7:00 AM
Melbourne, Australia

It’s three hours after the announcement of the Xbox One. I’ve just woken, up, and I’m excited. I jump online to read up on Microsoft’s latest home console.

“Where are the games!?”
“Xbox One reveal a disaster!”
“Microsoft sure stuffed this one up”
“Why would anyone buy this shit, Microsoft deserves to die”
“The Playstation 4 announcement blew this out of the water”
“Consoles are still shit, omg this crap is already outdated, PC master race”

I’m confused by the articles, particularly the comments, and their overwhelming negativity. There are gifs, photoshopped pictures and videos blanketing the internet with furious hate for the Xbox One. What did Microsoft do that was so terrible? I wonder. I do some further reading. It seems that most people are complaining about online requirements and used games. Some are complaining about Kinect. It’s being called universally ugly. Surely the online requirement isn’t that bad, I think to myself. I’ve always thought Kinect was pretty cool stuff. I think it looks ok, but I’ll reserve my judgement until I sit down and watch the conference.

Later that day, I finally had the opportunity to sit down, and watch the conference from start to end. The further I got into the video, the stranger I began to feel. My confusion from earlier in the morning had returned. I watched it all, through the unveiling, the sports, the TV, the Call of Duty, and by the end of it I was angry. Angry enough to write this piece. Angry at the gaming community.

Right now, I hate the gaming community.

I was excited as I sat through that conference. I saw that Kinect would come included with every console. ‘That’s awesome’ I thought to myself, ‘Every Xbox One owner will have a Kinect. It will really be able to live up to its full potential’ I thought. Blu-ray drive, games being installed to the hard-drive, and being linked to my account ala Steam. ‘This will be very great for a lot of people.’ It seems a small thing, but being able to launch a game without requiring the correct disk is a massive convenience. Then we get to EA sports. I could not care less about sporting video games, but the demos shown were cool. I started to think about how this technology will benefit the games that I love to play. I was excited because this was new, awesome technology that will enhance our experiences as both consumers and gamers. And yet just this morning I had had to sift through an ocean of hate to get to the Xbox One news.

I stopped thinking about the Xbox One and I took a step back to look at the gaming community as a whole. I did not like what I saw.

Because although it’s probably the worst response I’ve seen, it’s not just the Xbox One. The Playstation 4 announcement was attacked for several reasons, including not showing a console. The Wii U was attacked because people thought the gamepad was a waste of space, time and money. The Vita was attacked because the community felt it had no reason to exist. The 3DS was attacked because the gaming community called 3D a gimmick.

Very rarely do I remember seeing someone take a step back and say ‘hold on guys, think about how cool this is. Think about what new things we can do with it, and how it will enhance our gaming experiences.’ And I see this as a problem. I feel that regardless of what Microsoft had announced at that conference, it would have been torn apart, because that is what our community has become. Criticism can lead to innovation, and it is a very valuable tool that must not be discounted, but we have reached the point at which the gaming community has become so critical, and so hostile, that we have lost sight of why it is that we became gamers in the first place. We have become a community that is stifling innovation, a community that I’m not sure I want to continue to be a part of.

The Xbox One has its share of problems. I could write an entire article about how many of them are of little consequence, and have been over-dramatised by technology websites across the globe. I could explain why Microsoft’s decision during the unveiling event to focus on the console, and entertainment, as opposed to games, was a good one. But why should I? It will just be responded to with hate and disgust, as I’m sure will this one. I could try to change the community, to inspire everyone to just appreciate awesome technology for what it is,

Great post. I feel the exact same way. Its become a place where real discussions about games or hardware are instantly drowned with insults and spamming the same pics/gifs over and over by the more childish gamers who seem to see gaming as some kind of holy war.

After Sonys conference the general reactions were positive Microsoft's was the opposite, and I don't know about the Wii U cause I don't care about it. Nothing is ever going to get all good or bad reactions. And that EA Sports presentation you were trying to spin positive was all pre rendered no game play and that Engine (Ignite) is proprietary to EA so unless you all of the sudden start to like EA Sports sports games nothing in that EA Sports cgi video will benefit you. You're just a undercover, delusional Xbox fan boy, they could of out with a turkey with a blu-ray in its butt and you would have found a way to take up for it.

Great post. I feel the exact same way. Its become a place where real discussions about games or hardware are instantly drowned with insults and spamming the same pics/gifs over and over by the more childish gamers who seem to see gaming as some kind of holy war.

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No offense, but go look at your previous postings. You're the biggest offender in this area.

To the rest of what was posted, i somewhat agree.
However, do to the "fragile" nature of gamers, any opinion not the same as your own is considered trolling.
Not that's retarded......

I am not shocked that many ppl are angry at it. I do not think it was better than the PS4 conference.

The conference of the reveal of the X-Box one wasn't really horrible when discussing of their product. The entertainment hub is kind'a cool, but the whole thing seem lacked focus. It wasn't clear of who their target was. I guess you can say it was for the casual consumers? They did touch on the game side, and talk about their hardware specs, which was great. When they went to the TV talk and the Kinect (never liked), they started to lose me. As a gamer, I wasn't really interested in the other features that much even though I do think it's kind'a cool .I guess that's the problem for having a bunch features, but they still have another chance with E3 as well. But I didn't like the conference, and it didn't really get me that excited for the system other than the raw power, but the PS4 has better raw power.

But the PS4 conference had its share of criticism as well.

What is pissing everybody off are the online requirements and used games. I have friends who do not have internet at their house, and they probably won't be able to play games on the X-Box One since they cannot create a X-Box live account if I'm not mistaken. And they won't be able to play any games that I let them borrow. Even if they had internet, they would have to pay the fee. That would suck no matter what console who does this. While I do like the idea that you can play games without the disc, I do not like the fact that it automatically installs the game and you cannot let anybody borrow the games. They may have to clear this up because it sucks. It's almost no difference between this and a PC except the PC games are a bit cheaper, you can upgrade your PC, and mods (can you use mods with the next gen).

I do not believe that gamers were set out to hate the X-Box by any means. But if you like the tech, that's cool. I like the tech too. I just don't like to pay to borrow from my friend or family member or the online requirements. It's one of the few things that the console has over the PC. And the gamers are pissed off at that. They just want to pop it in and play.

But hopefully PS4 don't do that. But it doesn't make any sense if Microsoft is doing it and Sony isn't.

Brilliant post, although to be fair, this is not just gamers (although they are some of the worst offenders) but a general symptom of our times. The Age of The Hater I like to call it.

You find an article about a doctor who ran into a burning orphanage and saved two kids, resuscitating one and later donating a kidney to the other in order for them to survive...

... Go to the comments thread and I guarantee there will be a half dozen people saying

"Clearly did it for the fame and applause ASSHOLE!"

"For the amount doctors are paid he should have saved THREE kids - TYPICAL"

"How do we know he didn't START the fire?"

It's as predictable as it is pathetic, and it happens with everything on the internet.

I agree gamers are some of the worst though.

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I'd just like to say that, as you stated quite correctly, the video game community are some of the best hate writers, however, the board game community shows quite a contrast to this. The board game community is currently thriving and online interactivity amongst fellow board gamers has been going on for quite some time now. This community, however, seems to respond with far far far more positivity despite being faced with many (but of course not all) of the same issues.

Brilliant post, although to be fair, this is not just gamers (although they are some of the worst offenders) but a general symptom of our times. The Age of The Hater I like to call it.

You find an article about a doctor who ran into a burning orphanage and saved two kids, resuscitating one and later donating a kidney to the other in order for them to survive...

... Go to the comments thread and I guarantee there will be a half dozen people saying

"Clearly did it for the fame and applause ASSHOLE!"

"For the amount doctors are paid he should have saved THREE kids - TYPICAL"

"How do we know he didn't START the fire?"

It's as predictable as it is pathetic, and it happens with everything on the internet.

I agree gamers are some of the worst though.

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I'd just like to say that, as you stated quite correctly, the video game community are some of the best hate writers, however, the board game community shows quite a contrast to this. The board game community is currently thriving and online interactivity amongst fellow board gamers has been going on for quite some time now. This community, however, seems to respond with far far far more positivity despite being faced with many (but of course not all) of the same issues.

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When I said gamers, I did mean video gamers. I don't know much about the board gamer community, so didn't mean to cast any aspersions there.

Good post. I was saying the same thing a few days ago. It's these new gen gamers though, anybody on this hate vibe towards any console has to be 16 and under. I don't recall reading the ridiculous articles I do today about atari vs commodore or N64 vs dreamcast orwhatever it was. They were all cool, for different reasons andif I could have owned every one I would of. Of course back then I was unemployed and depended on almighty Santa Claus to get me cool toys.

We now have to deal with such matters relating to this new crisis , having multiple awesome machines to play video games on. What sets me apart from these die hard fanboys is as a lover of games, I KNOW I am going to indulge myself in both (Nintendo did not do it for after the N64). These poor children only have the priveledge of asking their hard working parents for one of these. In addition when this game console begins to get blasted by the "others" since this is how the new gaming community has to see or refer to each other nowadays, they are going to defend their prized possession like its their last healthy cub against a pack of hyenas, and it always gets ugly after that.

Thats fine, but from what youtube has shown me in recent time is any male adolescent (especially in the US) that is a gamer has to be one of the most angry and troubled souls walking this planet. I swear this one kid threatened to kill a person and his family because he misplaced a grenade that ended his kill streak.

To end off this rant, IF THERE ARE ANY OF YOU OUT THERE TAKING PART IN THIS NERD WAR THAT IS NOT A TEENAGER ON MOMMY SUPPORT AND YOU'RE A GROWN ASS MAN, get off the threads and start looking for that job, for the love of Christ man. Argue about something manly, but of the same origin. Argue about what's better, a Nissan or a Dodge, even though they both going to do the SAME fucking thing but just look and feel a little different.

I see what you mean... look at little Larry over here as a prime example of the A - lack of Mental Stability or B - very young child skipping school on mommies PC. every single post he ever made on this board has been anti xbox flaming that usually doesn't make sense and yet he is on the xbox board more than the Playstation board and the most ironic thing he's calling xbox fans on xbox only boards and xbox topics fanboys

After Sonys conference the general reactions were positive Microsoft's was the opposite, and I don't know about the Wii U cause I don't care about it. Nothing is ever going to get all good or bad reactions. And that EA Sports presentation you were trying to spin positive was all pre rendered no game play and that Engine (Ignite) is proprietary to EA so unless you all of the sudden start to like EA Sports sports games nothing in that EA Sports cgi video will benefit you. You're just a undercover, delusional Xbox fan boy, they could of out with a turkey with a blu-ray in its butt and you would have found a way to take up for it.

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seriously just read this stuff, how can anyone get mad at this stuff? it's gold

The 'hate' comes from that we as gamers want options and not just have the stuff forced on us.

Kinect could be great, by why force us to use it? Why can't I use the controller? Why force us to have daily internet connection when we shouldn't need it to play single player games? Why force us to do full game installs instead of just making it optional? Why not allow us to change the internal hard drive? give us the choice of being able to lend a friend a game and have them play it. Don't force us to do these things that 100% should be optional. The system should be set up to let me play single player and online games with my friends. Everything else should be optional.

Fully agree, I thought the Xbox One announcement was pretty cool, hell it was good enough that I preordered one the next day! Sure it would have been nice to see more games but it was made clear right from the beginning that games were being saved for E3. Guarantee all the knobs complaining about it still end up getting one anyway!

The 'hate' comes from that we as gamers want options and not just have the stuff forced on us.

Kinect could be great, by why force us to use it? Why can't I use the controller? Why force us to have daily internet connection when we shouldn't need it to play single player games? Why force us to do full game installs instead of just making it optional? Why not allow us to change the internal hard drive? give us the choice of being able to lend a friend a game and have them play it. Don't force us to do these things that 100% should be optional. The system should be set up to let me play single player and online games with my friends. Everything else should be optional.

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how are you forced to use Kinect? whats the percentage of controller games vs kinect games so far? daily internet has been confirmed that the details are not even close to finished (but people love to half read and read to much into things and twist), the game install argument is dumb seeing you can pop the game in and start playing right aways while it installs not to mention installs make the ran run faster, load quicker and puts less wear on the optics. you keep mentioning being able to change the HDD as if the PS4 can when sony hasn't even shown what the console looks like. I 100% agree with you on it being ridiculous play used games though (and I'm against used game stores)... and sony was sketchy and vague when asked about used games stating it will be up to the developer.

again I will flat out refuse to buy the xbox one if it restricts me to only be able to use a game I paid $60 or on one console...if they cut software pricing in half and charged $15 for activation codes if I give it away THEN I would be fine (but we know that won't happen)

also having to connect at least once a day to the net to be functional... I always have internet and even if I didn't I have my cell phone that I can connect via hotspot if needed BUT is still potential gamers who even in this day don't have internet.

The 'hate' comes from that we as gamers want options and not just have the stuff forced on us.

Kinect could be great, by why force us to use it? Why can't I use the controller? Why force us to have daily internet connection when we shouldn't need it to play single player games? Why force us to do full game installs instead of just making it optional? Why not allow us to change the internal hard drive? give us the choice of being able to lend a friend a game and have them play it. Don't force us to do these things that 100% should be optional. The system should be set up to let me play single player and online games with my friends. Everything else should be optional.

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how are you forced to use Kinect? whats the percentage of controller games vs kinect games so far? daily internet has been confirmed that the details are not even close to finished (but people love to half read and read to much into things and twist), the game install argument is dumb seeing you can pop the game in and start playing right aways while it installs not to mention installs make the ran run faster, load quicker and puts less wear on the optics. you keep mentioning being able to change the HDD as if the PS4 can when sony hasn't even shown what the console looks like. I 100% agree with you on it being ridiculous play used games though (and I'm against used game stores)... and sony was sketchy and vague when asked about used games stating it will be up to the developer.

again I will flat out refuse to buy the xbox one if it restricts me to only be able to use a game I paid $60 or on one console...if they cut software pricing in half and charged $15 for activation codes if I give it away THEN I would be fine (but we know that won't happen)

also having to connect at least once a day to the net to be functional... I always have internet and even if I didn't I have my cell phone that I can connect via hotspot if needed BUT is still potential gamers who even in this day don't have internet.

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The problem here is that after installing roughly 40 games, your hard drive is full. I have nearly 100 Xbox 360 games, so you can see how installing is a problem for people like me. Granted I have a PS3 that requires installs, but I only have like 20 games for that.

You completely missed the entire point and why gamers are 'attacking' the Xbox One. Several of it's features are openly hostile to gamers and the consumer in general. You're hating people for hating something you happen to like, do you not see the irony in your entire post? All of your points are all opinions with no real basis for them, you claimed that the reveal of other consoles also had significant negative reactions however you're heavily exaggerating the reality. People were disappointed with the fact that they didn't show the box at the PS4 reveal but there was definitely no backlash against it. The Vita wasn't attacked people were very impressed with the hardware and that is still the opinion of most gamers, the Vita's problem is that it has very few games which has occurred post reveal. The Wii U was 'attacked', terrible use of hyperbole btw, because it wasn't technologically advanced enough and being once again aimed at the casual audience. When a company many gamers had grown up with turns their back on it's own fans by completely ignoring the issues they had with the Wii then they have a reason to feel angry. The Xbox One reveal had so many issues that, while maybe not particularly being especially unappealing to you, were extremely unappealing to most gamers. The gaming community is not a hate filled machine like you claim and hating the community for not liking something you like is extremely petty. As a gamer I don't hate something simply because it doesn't appeal to me, I simply won't buy it and I personally feel the community has shown a lot of maturity. If you can't handle the mild trolling and jokes then it says more about you than it does gamers.

how are you forced to use Kinect? whats the percentage of controller games vs kinect games so far? daily internet has been confirmed that the details are not even close to finished (but people love to half read and read to much into things and twist), the game install argument is dumb seeing you can pop the game in and start playing right aways while it installs not to mention installs make the ran run faster, load quicker and puts less wear on the optics. you keep mentioning being able to change the HDD as if the PS4 can when sony hasn't even shown what the console looks like. I 100% agree with you on it being ridiculous play used games though (and I'm against used game stores)... and sony was sketchy and vague when asked about used games stating it will be up to the developer.

again I will flat out refuse to buy the xbox one if it restricts me to only be able to use a game I paid $60 or on one console...if they cut software pricing in half and charged $15 for activation codes if I give it away THEN I would be fine (but we know that won't happen)

also having to connect at least once a day to the net to be functional... I always have internet and even if I didn't I have my cell phone that I can connect via hotspot if needed BUT is still potential gamers who even in this day don't have internet.

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I meant forced to have Kinect set up, not use, sorry I misspoke. I should be able to have it unhooked in a drawer far away from my tv. I was basing the daily internet connection on the fact that a Microsoft employee said a daily connection. If it turns out that you never have to an internet connection for single player games and movies I will be very delighted. I agree there are some good things about game installs, but why make it mandatory and not like me decide? I am a big boy, I can make my own choices.

about the HDD, I don't know what Sony has in mind, and if they don't allow it I will not be happy with that decision either. this isn't about sony being better or worse then Microsoft. Sony has nothing to do with this. Neither of us are mindless fanboys. it's about the bad policies I don't like on the XBone.

The 'hate' comes from that we as gamers want options and not just have the stuff forced on us.

Kinect could be great, by why force us to use it? Why can't I use the controller? Why force us to have daily internet connection when we shouldn't need it to play single player games? Why force us to do full game installs instead of just making it optional? Why not allow us to change the internal hard drive? give us the choice of being able to lend a friend a game and have them play it. Don't force us to do these things that 100% should be optional. The system should be set up to let me play single player and online games with my friends. Everything else should be optional.

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how are you forced to use Kinect? whats the percentage of controller games vs kinect games so far? daily internet has been confirmed that the details are not even close to finished (but people love to half read and read to much into things and twist), the game install argument is dumb seeing you can pop the game in and start playing right aways while it installs not to mention installs make the ran run faster, load quicker and puts less wear on the optics. you keep mentioning being able to change the HDD as if the PS4 can when sony hasn't even shown what the console looks like. I 100% agree with you on it being ridiculous play used games though (and I'm against used game stores)... and sony was sketchy and vague when asked about used games stating it will be up to the developer.

again I will flat out refuse to buy the xbox one if it restricts me to only be able to use a game I paid $60 or on one console...if they cut software pricing in half and charged $15 for activation codes if I give it away THEN I would be fine (but we know that won't happen)

also having to connect at least once a day to the net to be functional... I always have internet and even if I didn't I have my cell phone that I can connect via hotspot if needed BUT is still potential gamers who even in this day don't have internet.

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The problem here is that after installing roughly 40 games, your hard drive is full. I have nearly 100 Xbox 360 games, so you can see how installing is a problem for people like me. Granted I have a PS3 that requires installs, but I only have like 20 games for that.

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I use installs on all my 360 games BUT I have no problem deleting games I'm currently not using and installing again later. the xbox one seems to be extremely easier because you have no wait time for the game to install

I use installs on all my 360 games BUT I have no problem deleting games I'm currently not using and installing again later. the xbox one seems to be extremely easier because you have no wait time for the game to install

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And that is totally cool because that works for you. It might not work for other people, which is why having the option would be a great thing.

If you can't handle the mild trolling and jokes then it says more about you than it does gamers.

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Mild trolling? There's nothing mild about it. It's just flat out flamebait trolling. This place, for three days now, has been trolled, and flamed heavily. When people start to have a decent conversation about the console, a bunch fools pop in, and derail it. I don't know threads you have been reading, but they haven't been the ones here, since this place is being trolled, as if it were their job.

If you can't handle the mild trolling and jokes then it says more about you than it does gamers.

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Mild trolling? There's nothing mild about it. It's just flat out flamebait trolling. This place, for three days now, has been trolled, and flamed heavily. When people start to have a decent conversation about the console, a bunch fools pop in, and derail it. I don't know threads you have been reading, but they haven't been the ones here, since this place is being trolled, as if it were their job.

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Since when have a few gamers on the internet represented the entire community?

Mild trolling? There's nothing mild about it. It's just flat out flamebait trolling. This place, for three days now, has been trolled, and flamed heavily. When people start to have a decent conversation about the console, a bunch fools pop in, and derail it. I don't know threads you have been reading, but they haven't been the ones here, since this place is being trolled, as if it were their job.

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I don't know... some of the animated gif's were pretty funny. Especially the Se7vn one.

I meant forced to have Kinect set up, not use, sorry I misspoke. I should be able to have it unhooked in a drawer far away from my tv. I was basing the daily internet connection on the fact that a Microsoft employee said a daily connection. If it turns out that you never have to an internet connection for single player games and movies I will be very delighted. I agree there are some good things about game installs, but why make it mandatory and not like me decide? I am a big boy, I can make my own choices.

about the HDD, I don't know what Sony has in mind, and if they don't allow it I will not be happy with that decision either. this isn't about sony being better or worse then Microsoft. Sony has nothing to do with this. Neither of us are mindless fanboys. it's about the bad policies I don't like on the XBone.

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easy enough mistake BUT doesn't the PS4 controller require the new PS eye?

and while I don't agree on some of your concerns like "installs" I can definitely understand and appreciated the want for the option of choice.

Mild trolling? There's nothing mild about it. It's just flat out flamebait trolling. This place, for three days now, has been trolled, and flamed heavily. When people start to have a decent conversation about the console, a bunch fools pop in, and derail it. I don't know threads you have been reading, but they haven't been the ones here, since this place is being trolled, as if it were their job.

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I don't know... some of the animated gif's were pretty funny. Especially the Se7vn one.

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Oh god, that thing was amazing. I've never even seen the movie and I still thought it was pure gold.

Mild trolling? There's nothing mild about it. It's just flat out flamebait trolling. This place, for three days now, has been trolled, and flamed heavily. When people start to have a decent conversation about the console, a bunch fools pop in, and derail it. I don't know threads you have been reading, but they haven't been the ones here, since this place is being trolled, as if it were their job.

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I don't know... some of the animated gif's were pretty funny. Especially the Se7vn one.

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Oh god, that thing was amazing. I've never even seen the movie and I still thought it was pure gold.

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It got very old somewhere between the third, and thirtieth time it was posted in the same thread.

easy enough mistake BUT doesn't the PS4 controller require the new PS eye?

and while I don't agree on some of your concerns like "installs" I can definitely understand and appreciated the want for the option of choice.

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I'm not sure about the PSEye to be honest. I hope it doesn't. if I want to use the PSEye/controller features I can see the need to have it set up of course, but if I am just playing a game like I normally do now with the PS3 or 360, I hope it doesn't need to be set up. I move my gaming system from room to room a lot at my house. On each tv I have a reg computer power cable and hdmi cable left open. So that means to move a PS3 I just have to unhook the two cables from the back, pick it up and move it. Very simple. Moving my Wii U is a royal pain in the butt because of the wired sensor bar.... always getting tangled up with other cords. The (in my opinion unnecessary) need to have Kinect hooked up at all times will have a similar effect for me. If you never move systems, it wouldn't matter as much for you.

Like I said, I don't mind any of this stuff such as Kinect or game installs, I just wish they left it up to me if to use them.

As I've said before, I enjoyed the event. A lot of cool stuff was shown (including the console itself and not just the erm.. controller *cough*Sony*cough*) I was a little disappointed at the lack of games coverage, but to be honest I'm not any more. What we was shown was good (CoD: Ghosts, I'm not a CoD fanatic but Ghosts may be worth it).

The SFD'ers who claim that the Sony reveal was better are talking out of their arses to be honest, we got CG footage from a few games, a look at their erm... controller yet no consoles and nothing else.

At least Microsoft got 'What the XB1 can do ASIDE from gaming' out of the way and were honest about the 'conditions'. The real fun starts at E3, so all you 'GAYMERZ' out there can stop fretting and bitching like a bunch of Bielebers who's just found out there 'hero's' balls have dropped and he doesn't have that squeaky, girly voice anymore, and you SDF trolls can dip your dicks in acid.

It's not the gaming community. It's Sony fanboys tired of seeing Sony get their ass kicked and they smell blood in the water. Most of these cosplay-loving freaks infest the NeoGAF forums.

These are the people who think that an exclusive Final Fantasy game on a console actually matters in 2013. These are the same hypocrites that used having a built in Blu-Ray player as an incentive to buy a PS3. These are the same people that made the PS3 Netflix's number one platform. These are the people who thought running Folding@Home and Linux on the PS3 made it the best thing ever.

Every time the NeoGAF contingent hate a product, it's successful. Everything they love ends up being a niche failure. These guys loathed and made fun of Kinect and it goes and sells 25 million units. These guys worshiped the PS Vita and it's a dismal failure and their only explanation is that it needs more Nathan Drake and Killzone.

It's not the gaming community. It's Sony fanboys tired of seeing Sony get their ass kicked and they smell blood in the water. Most of these cosplay-loving freaks infest the NeoGAF forums.

These are the people who think that an exclusive Final Fantasy game on a console actually matters in 2013. These are the same hypocrites that used having a built in Blu-Ray player as an incentive to buy a PS3. These are the same people that made the PS3 Netflix's number one platform. These are the people who thought running Folding@Home and Linux on the PS3 made it the best thing ever.

Every time the NeoGAF contingent hate a product, it's successful. Everything they love ends up being a niche failure. These guys loathed and made fun of Kinect and it goes and sells 25 million units. These guys worshiped the PS Vita and it's a dismal failure and their only explanation is that it needs more Nathan Drake and Killzone.

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I think a post just like this is what the original poster had in mind when he said he hated the gaming community. A long post just to insult PS owners. Well done.

It's not the gaming community. It's Sony fanboys tired of seeing Sony get their ass kicked and they smell blood in the water. Most of these cosplay-loving freaks infest the NeoGAF forums.

These are the people who think that an exclusive Final Fantasy game on a console actually matters in 2013. These are the same hypocrites that used having a built in Blu-Ray player as an incentive to buy a PS3. These are the same people that made the PS3 Netflix's number one platform. These are the people who thought running Folding@Home and Linux on the PS3 made it the best thing ever.

Every time the NeoGAF contingent hate a product, it's successful. Everything they love ends up being a niche failure. These guys loathed and made fun of Kinect and it goes and sells 25 million units. These guys worshiped the PS Vita and it's a dismal failure and their only explanation is that it needs more Nathan Drake and Killzone.

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Let's start off with how wrong you are.

I bought my PS3 at the time because it was the cheapest BD player on the market. I knew I'd game with it, but that was my primary reason since I already had an Xbox 360. So there's that. I also ran folding@home quite often in college (I didn't have to pay the power bill, the school did) and I continue to do so on every computer in my office, because, you know, I care about humanity and stuff. Not saying it makes the PS3 the best thing ever, but at least it's an option. Just because something is niche doesn't make it a failure. Hockey is a niche sport, and also my favorite, and its fans are among the most loyal in all of sports. Sure, Kinect sold tons of units. Justin Bieber sold tons of albums, but he's still a shit artist. I also have a PS Vita, because it's an excellent gaming device. People called the PSP a failure early in its life, and then it got TONS of games later on and went on to be a success. I have plenty of games for it (including PSP and PS1 classics that I never got to play back then) and I don't even have enough time to finish all of them.

If you can't handle the mild trolling and jokes then it says more about you than it does gamers.

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Mild trolling? There's nothing mild about it. It's just flat out flamebait trolling. This place, for three days now, has been trolled, and flamed heavily. When people start to have a decent conversation about the console, a bunch fools pop in, and derail it. I don't know threads you have been reading, but they haven't been the ones here, since this place is being trolled, as if it were their job.

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Since when have a few gamers on the internet represented the entire community?

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I didn't say anything of the sort, so I don't know where you get that idea from...

It's not the gaming community. It's Sony fanboys tired of seeing Sony get their ass kicked and they smell blood in the water. Most of these cosplay-loving freaks infest the NeoGAF forums.

These are the people who think that an exclusive Final Fantasy game on a console actually matters in 2013. These are the same hypocrites that used having a built in Blu-Ray player as an incentive to buy a PS3. These are the same people that made the PS3 Netflix's number one platform. These are the people who thought running Folding@Home and Linux on the PS3 made it the best thing ever.

Every time the NeoGAF contingent hate a product, it's successful. Everything they love ends up being a niche failure. These guys loathed and made fun of Kinect and it goes and sells 25 million units. These guys worshiped the PS Vita and it's a dismal failure and their only explanation is that it needs more Nathan Drake and Killzone.

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I think a post just like this is what the original poster had in mind when he said he hated the gaming community. A long post just to insult PS owners. Well done.

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No, I don't think that's what the OP was trying to get across. Although I do agree with r0tt3n's comment.

The OP was talking about the harcoar gamers in general, you know the guys that sit in their mom's basement playing games 24/7 who think they're gaming gods and flame anyone for having an opinon other than their own. 'Waerz MAH GAYMES!!!!!??? OH NOZ NO GAYMES!!!! I G0NA F@P TILL MS GIMMIE MAH GAYMES"... You know the type? Regardless of what system they play on, every platform has them.

Since the announcement, these people have come out in force to flame MS because hardly any games were shown at the reveal EVEN THOUGH it's been stated that the reveal was about the hardware mostly, not the software. Gaymers (as I'm going to call them now) are the most impatient bunch ever. Bethesda announces FO4 or TESVI? for 14-04-14 (or 04-14-2014 if you're in the US) later this year I garuntee the gaymers will be like "WAT!!!! WE G0TST@ W8 4 DIS!!!!!??? WAAAAHHHHH!!!! BETHEZDA U SUK!!!"

Gaymers have been around for years, even before the Internet, little shits crying because they ran out of change in the Arcades and daddy won't give them any more 10p peices/quarters back in the 80's. And the online RPG crowd were no better, accusing GM's of godmoding when ever their 'Sith lightning bolts of DOOM' would miss the Jedi. Nowadays it's worse.

Mild trolling? There's nothing mild about it. It's just flat out flamebait trolling. This place, for three days now, has been trolled, and flamed heavily. When people start to have a decent conversation about the console, a bunch fools pop in, and derail it. I don't know threads you have been reading, but they haven't been the ones here, since this place is being trolled, as if it were their job.

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Since when have a few gamers on the internet represented the entire community?

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I didn't say anything of the sort, so I don't know where you get that idea from...

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My post was related to the wider gaming community which the OP was hating for what in his opinion was showing blind hatred to the Xbox. So by extension you were implying the entire gaming community was acting in the manner you described.

Since when have a few gamers on the internet represented the entire community?

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I didn't say anything of the sort, so I don't know where you get that idea from...

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My post was related to the wider gaming community which the OP was hating for what in his opinion was showing blind hatred to the Xbox. So by extension you were implying the entire gaming community was acting in the manner you described.

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No, it was clear I was replying your your comment about "mild trolling" around here, considering it was the only part of that post, I replied to. I didn't mention the community as a whole, and have said several times, about how many people here, who have tried to have decent conversations, were unable to because some people would come in, and drag it down.

Good post. I was saying the same thing a few days ago. It's these new gen gamers though, anybody on this hate vibe towards any console has to be 16 and under. I don't recall reading the ridiculous articles I do today about atari vs commodore or N64 vs dreamcast orwhatever it was. They were all cool, for different reasons andif I could have owned every one I would of. Of course back then I was unemployed and depended on almighty Santa Claus to get me cool toys.

We now have to deal with such matters relating to this new crisis , having multiple awesome machines to play video games on. What sets me apart from these die hard fanboys is as a lover of games, I KNOW I am going to indulge myself in both (Nintendo did not do it for after the N64). These poor children only have the priveledge of asking their hard working parents for one of these. In addition when this game console begins to get blasted by the "others" since this is how the new gaming community has to see or refer to each other nowadays, they are going to defend their prized possession like its their last healthy cub against a pack of hyenas, and it always gets ugly after that.

Thats fine, but from what youtube has shown me in recent time is any male adolescent (especially in the US) that is a gamer has to be one of the most angry and troubled souls walking this planet. I swear this one kid threatened to kill a person and his family because he misplaced a grenade that ended his kill streak.

To end off this rant, IF THERE ARE ANY OF YOU OUT THERE TAKING PART IN THIS NERD WAR THAT IS NOT A TEENAGER ON MOMMY SUPPORT AND YOU'RE A GROWN ASS MAN, get off the threads and start looking for that job, for the love of Christ man. Argue about something manly, but of the same origin. Argue about what's better, a Nissan or a Dodge, even though they both going to do the SAME fucking thing but just look and feel a little different.

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Agreed. This is how I picture "gamers" as well. Full of hate and negativity. Very pessimistic individuals that love to bitch...just to bitch. They follow in the footsteps of other people, never lead on their own. One person shits on the new Xbox, they all develop some type of hate because it's "cool" to do. And worst of all, they just to conclusions before anything is even released. I gave up on them a long time ago.

Your last comment is the saddest part. A large number of these guys are in their twenties and some of them are even off mommy support. I'm going to get quoted by someone on here who thinks he's Einstein's heir and they're going to tell me how wrong I am...that they know so much more about games because they worked at Kotaku or some shit.

To the topic creator, I couldn't agree any more. I watched the video and loved it, I knew what to expect since they mentioned prior to the event that games will be saved for E3...I stayed positive and thought the new console was great.

I didn't say anything of the sort, so I don't know where you get that idea from...

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My post was related to the wider gaming community which the OP was hating for what in his opinion was showing blind hatred to the Xbox. So by extension you were implying the entire gaming community was acting in the manner you described.

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No, it was clear I was replying your your comment about "mild trolling" around here, considering it was the only part of that post, I replied to. I didn't mention the community as a whole, and have said several times, about how many people here, who have tried to have decent conversations, were unable to because some people would come in, and drag it down.

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Then why are you using a small part of my post, taking it out of context? You say you only used a part of the post, but that's the problem you completely took what I said out of context. Regardless of what you were referring to, my post was related to the wider gaming community and so is this entire thread, so why bring up what has been happening on this board. At no point did I claim that what has been said on this board was mild trolling and joking, there is absolutely nothing in my post to imply that is what I meant and it clearly is referring to the gaming community as a whole as I never mentioned this board once in my post. You read something in my post you didn't agree with and took it out of context to discredit it, either that or you read it wrong.

It's not the gaming community. It's Sony fanboys tired of seeing Sony get their ass kicked and they smell blood in the water. Most of these cosplay-loving freaks infest the NeoGAF forums.

These are the people who think that an exclusive Final Fantasy game on a console actually matters in 2013. These are the same hypocrites that used having a built in Blu-Ray player as an incentive to buy a PS3. These are the same people that made the PS3 Netflix's number one platform. These are the people who thought running Folding@Home and Linux on the PS3 made it the best thing ever.

Every time the NeoGAF contingent hate a product, it's successful. Everything they love ends up being a niche failure. These guys loathed and made fun of Kinect and it goes and sells 25 million units. These guys worshiped the PS Vita and it's a dismal failure and their only explanation is that it needs more Nathan Drake and Killzone.

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I think a post just like this is what the original poster had in mind when he said he hated the gaming community. A long post just to insult PS owners. Well done.

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This isn't an insult, it's an observation. If it insults you, then you're probably one of these fanboys.

My post was related to the wider gaming community which the OP was hating for what in his opinion was showing blind hatred to the Xbox. So by extension you were implying the entire gaming community was acting in the manner you described.

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No, it was clear I was replying your your comment about "mild trolling" around here, considering it was the only part of that post, I replied to. I didn't mention the community as a whole, and have said several times, about how many people here, who have tried to have decent conversations, were unable to because some people would come in, and drag it down.

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Then why are you using a small part of my post, taking it out of context? You say you only used a part of the post, but that's the problem you completely took what I said out of context. Regardless of what you were referring to, my post was related to the wider gaming community and so is this entire thread, so why bring up what has been happening on this board. At no point did I claim that what has been said on this board was mild trolling and joking, there is absolutely nothing in my post to imply that is what I meant and it clearly is referring to the gaming community as a whole as I never mentioned this board once in my post. You read something in my post you didn't agree with and took it out of context to discredit it, either that or you read it wrong.

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Didn't mean to like your post. Anyway, you said mild trolling. It's not mild trolling. I have yet to find a place where the trolling is mild, this place was the best example. It has died down here some since yesterday, but it's still happening, in almost every thread. It wasn't out of context. I read what you said perfectly fine.

You know what? I'm not getting any further into this with you. It's not worth our time, and it's pointless.

No, it was clear I was replying your your comment about "mild trolling" around here, considering it was the only part of that post, I replied to. I didn't mention the community as a whole, and have said several times, about how many people here, who have tried to have decent conversations, were unable to because some people would come in, and drag it down.

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Then why are you using a small part of my post, taking it out of context? You say you only used a part of the post, but that's the problem you completely took what I said out of context. Regardless of what you were referring to, my post was related to the wider gaming community and so is this entire thread, so why bring up what has been happening on this board. At no point did I claim that what has been said on this board was mild trolling and joking, there is absolutely nothing in my post to imply that is what I meant and it clearly is referring to the gaming community as a whole as I never mentioned this board once in my post. You read something in my post you didn't agree with and took it out of context to discredit it, either that or you read it wrong.

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Didn't mean to like your post. Anyway, you said mild trolling. It's not mild trolling. I have yet to find a place where the trolling is mild, this place was the best example. It has died down here some since yesterday, but it's still happening, in almost every thread. It wasn't out of context. I read what you said perfectly fine.

You know what? I'm not getting any further into this with you. It's not worth our time, and it's pointless.

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Posting Gifs and making 'ONE' puns is mild, which the majority of the trolling has been. Stop taking a tiny portion of gamers and using it to smear the entire community.

Then why are you using a small part of my post, taking it out of context? You say you only used a part of the post, but that's the problem you completely took what I said out of context. Regardless of what you were referring to, my post was related to the wider gaming community and so is this entire thread, so why bring up what has been happening on this board. At no point did I claim that what has been said on this board was mild trolling and joking, there is absolutely nothing in my post to imply that is what I meant and it clearly is referring to the gaming community as a whole as I never mentioned this board once in my post. You read something in my post you didn't agree with and took it out of context to discredit it, either that or you read it wrong.

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Didn't mean to like your post. Anyway, you said mild trolling. It's not mild trolling. I have yet to find a place where the trolling is mild, this place was the best example. It has died down here some since yesterday, but it's still happening, in almost every thread. It wasn't out of context. I read what you said perfectly fine.

You know what? I'm not getting any further into this with you. It's not worth our time, and it's pointless.

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Posting Gifs and making 'ONE' puns is mild, which the majority of the trolling has been. Stop taking a tiny portion of gamers and using it to smear the entire community.

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This is why I said I was done. It was clear I wasn't smearing the community, the fact you think they, shows me you have no idea what you're talking about. Welcome to my ignore list.

The 'hate' comes from that we as gamers want options and not just have the stuff forced on us.

Kinect could be great, by why force us to use it? Why can't I use the controller? Why force us to have daily internet connection when we shouldn't need it to play single player games? Why force us to do full game installs instead of just making it optional? Why not allow us to change the internal hard drive? give us the choice of being able to lend a friend a game and have them play it. Don't force us to do these things that 100% should be optional. The system should be set up to let me play single player and online games with my friends. Everything else should be optional.

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how are you forced to use Kinect? whats the percentage of controller games vs kinect games so far? daily internet has been confirmed that the details are not even close to finished (but people love to half read and read to much into things and twist), the game install argument is dumb seeing you can pop the game in and start playing right aways while it installs not to mention installs make the ran run faster, load quicker and puts less wear on the optics. you keep mentioning being able to change the HDD as if the PS4 can when sony hasn't even shown what the console looks like. I 100% agree with you on it being ridiculous play used games though (and I'm against used game stores)... and sony was sketchy and vague when asked about used games stating it will be up to the developer.

again I will flat out refuse to buy the xbox one if it restricts me to only be able to use a game I paid $60 or on one console...if they cut software pricing in half and charged $15 for activation codes if I give it away THEN I would be fine (but we know that won't happen)

also having to connect at least once a day to the net to be functional... I always have internet and even if I didn't I have my cell phone that I can connect via hotspot if needed BUT is still potential gamers who even in this day don't have internet.

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The problem here is that after installing roughly 40 games, your hard drive is full. I have nearly 100 Xbox 360 games, so you can see how installing is a problem for people like me. Granted I have a PS3 that requires installs, but I only have like 20 games for that.

Didn't mean to like your post. Anyway, you said mild trolling. It's not mild trolling. I have yet to find a place where the trolling is mild, this place was the best example. It has died down here some since yesterday, but it's still happening, in almost every thread. It wasn't out of context. I read what you said perfectly fine.

You know what? I'm not getting any further into this with you. It's not worth our time, and it's pointless.

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Posting Gifs and making 'ONE' puns is mild, which the majority of the trolling has been. Stop taking a tiny portion of gamers and using it to smear the entire community.

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This is why I said I was done. It was clear I wasn't smearing the community, the fact you think they, shows me you have no idea what you're talking about. Welcome to my ignore list.

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By agreeing with the OP that the entire community of gamers is hate filled and your personal view that the trolling has been excessive would be considered a smear on the gaming community. Saying all the gaming community is filled with hateful trolls is smearing, you can argue the details but this is a smear thread. If you feel the OP is reasonable and this is a decent conversation, then you're delusional as it is a very blatant smear.

OP, I don't know why you're attacking the gaming community. The gaming community as a whole represents most of what people are thinking and feeling. It doesn't apply to everyone, of course, but you can get the general idea of what people think. There's nothing to hate on. If anything. you have to hate on these deranged Xbox fanboys, that despite the negative press, see this hailing as the next best thing without any sort of logic or thought behind it.

Personally, I thought the gifs, the videos and the jokes were hilarious. There was one new joke after another and I enjoyed that very much.

Posting Gifs and making 'ONE' puns is mild, which the majority of the trolling has been. Stop taking a tiny portion of gamers and using it to smear the entire community.

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This is why I said I was done. It was clear I wasn't smearing the community, the fact you think they, shows me you have no idea what you're talking about. Welcome to my ignore list.

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By agreeing with the OP that the entire community of gamers is hate filled and your personal view that the trolling has been excessive would be considered a smear on the gaming community. Saying all the gaming community is filled with hateful trolls is smearing, you can argue the details but this is a smear thread. If you feel the OP is reasonable and this is a decent conversation, then you're delusional as it is a very blatant smear.

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You can whine about it all you want, but the truth is that the OP's opinions are shared by most people who have posted here, many of whom happen to be excited for the XBOX One and have seen nothing but flaming posts from the sort of people who the OP is talking about. Has a right to express his opinions as do we all which is part of the problem. People deal with criticism in their own way. Some people ignore it, some people fight it, some cower in the corner and cry their hearts out. You can debate all you like but if you're fishing for apologies or want a someone to retract their statements then keep wanting!

This is why I said I was done. It was clear I wasn't smearing the community, the fact you think they, shows me you have no idea what you're talking about. Welcome to my ignore list.

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By agreeing with the OP that the entire community of gamers is hate filled and your personal view that the trolling has been excessive would be considered a smear on the gaming community. Saying all the gaming community is filled with hateful trolls is smearing, you can argue the details but this is a smear thread. If you feel the OP is reasonable and this is a decent conversation, then you're delusional as it is a very blatant smear.

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You can whine about it all you want, but the truth is that the OP's opinions are shared by most people who have posted here, many of whom happen to be excited for the XBOX One and have seen nothing but flaming posts from the sort of people who the OP is talking about. Has a right to express his opinions as do we all which is part of the problem. People deal with criticism in their own way. Some people ignore it, some people fight it, some cower in the corner and cry their hearts out. You can debate all you like but if you're fishing for apologies or want a someone to retract their statements then keep wanting!

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No, he has every right to post his opinion but that doesn't change the fact it's a smear thread attacking the entire gaming community with an argument which contradicts itself. He is a part of the gaming community, he is saying he hates the gaming community for being so full of hate; do you not see the irony there?