Irish Catholic Church

Can you ever trust them ever again, just watching the Archbishop of Dublin on Sky spouting how sorry they are, effing tosspot. No matter how much he apologizes or genuine he sounds, they can never attone for the harm they have done, sod what damage its done to the church, its the victims that matter, not some mythical being called God.

Do you have any evidence of this? No? stop talking shite then, this lot are a disgrace. It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing, it doesn't absolve the CC.

islam and the merging of tribal beliefs with religious ones in the middle east, the idea of women as property that is common to many cultures, polygamy in the mormon religion, child brides, gypsy betrothal practices, etc etc etc.

abuse in boarding schools

Even the school yard bully,

yes it is wrong but this is nothing to do with religion more to do with people in positions of power abusing them. and being in the position to cover up to protect their position.

"yes it is wrong but this is nothing to do with religion more to do with people in positions of power abusing them. and being in the position to cover up to protect their position. "

It's everything to do with religion. If you are tought that any sexual contact is wrong in the eyes of your pretend god, then you go against your basic genetic drive to procreate. It's no wonder most god botherers are sexual deviants.

More importantly it's f**ked all my good priest/choir boy jokes as no matter what I come up with it won't be as funny as the shite the catholic church are spouting.

I was seriously on course for the priesthood when I was younger, had a week long visit to a seminary at one point (I came from a fundamentalist catholic family, mother from Carfin, auntie a mother superior in a convent, cousin a priest etc) so I met a lot of priests and would be priests and never saw a hint of deviant sexual behaviour. Which is pretty much what my original post said, but USING HUMOUR WHICH IS ALWAYS ACCEPTABLE! They're not all pervs you know.

I'm now an athiest fundamentalist (if there is such a thing) and not a daft wee catholic laddie. Still support Celtic mind, and wouldn't set foot in Larkhall (see other thread!)

It's everything to do with religion. If you are tought that any sexual contact is wrong in the eyes of your pretend god, then you go against your basic genetic drive to procreate. It's no wonder most god botherers are sexual deviants.

slightly sweeping generalisation there me thinks, most religious people are sexual deviants, please define deviant for a start. Could argue on the same grounds that most non religious people are paedophiles, the percentages probably aren' much different, just a matter of finding a place where you can use your position to further your ends.

I can never remember being told sex is against god's wishes? bit of a wierd way of spreading a religion if you ban the participants from partaking?

So who actually says the priesthood should be celebate? god or the church? look at most christian sects and celibacy is actually unusual. which means it is the church not god.

It isn't about religion, if you think it is i think you need to open your eyes. it is done by people using the catholic church as cover, others use the cover of schools, of scouts, pop stars, etc. If you want to do such things then you will do them.

Remember the old maxim anyone who wants power is the worst person to give it to.

And i can't believe i am saying anything in favour of the Catholic church after having this crap drummed into me during my schooling....

dog collars, frocks, all the people in power are celibate, they worship a sadomasochistic immage of crucified man which can arouse feeling of intense sexual gratification in the form of raptue, the spanish inquisition (you can't torture someone unless you get form of gratification from it, otherwise why would you,) the need to confess sins to someone who is beating like a safari park chimp in the next cubicle

So who actually says the priesthood should be celebate? god or the church? look at most christian sects and celibacy is actually unusual. which means it is the church not god.
Until God decides to speak out about the matter, it means nothing of the sort, and is purely conjecture.

It isn't about religion, if you think it is i think you need to open your eyes. it is done by people using the catholic church as cover,

Nope, it is about religion. It wasn't just nasty people using the catholic church as cover, it was the church actively covering the actions of these people and not do anything to stop it (apart from taking out insurance policies). It shows that the religion has failed to show moral authority - this was systemic, not the actions of a rouge few non true believers. Religion (as opposed to faith) comes from the churches. The bible, belief systems, religious morality, didn't just pop out of a vacuum, they are moulded by the church and as such inseparable. To think otherwise seems a tad naive or disingenuous.

Now, I'm not the most religious person in the world but whatever your stance on religion is, it has to be said that there are many, many people in the Christian church that do wonderful work in many different ways that tends to go unnoticed. The Vicar that married us earlier this year is a shining example. A wonderful man, married to his job. If there is a God, he's in people like him.
And then you get stuff like what happened in Ireland and it messes and cheapens the whole thing. Ruins it in a way. All people see is the bad stuff and it's sad, very sad.

Once you've done that and attempted to find a way round the logic that he applies to the delusion, you will find difficult to have anything other than complete contempt for the entire religious myth worldwide, never mind the Irish Catholics.

Its all a load of utter toss and the sooner we all wake up to that the better.

Right, I wasnt sure whether to post this... I actually went to a roman catholic school, Im not religous at all though, we went thaere as it was nearer for my sister when she had a bad back.

Anyway, we had a Priest there, who was Irish, called Father Micheal. Two stereotypes... A year or so before i left, he was arrested for child abuse. We were never really told much, but i think most people were quite surprised as he seemed like a nice guy in every other way.

The Vicar that married us earlier this year is a shining example. A wonderful man, married to his job. If there is a God, he's in people like him.

I'm sure a lot of people that knew the priests that committed the offences in Ireland would have said the same about their priests, you never really know what may be going on behind the scenes, that's the whole thing about this case and how they got away with it for so long.

This whole cover up is scandalous.
We send our young kids to a Catholic school, not because of my religion but to get a level of moral learning and education. Thank god we were not sending them there 20 years ago.

I feel sickened with the knowledge the priests were carrying out there depraved acts, and even more so that it was known within the church and effectively buried. The individuals at the head of the church should be put before the courts to answer for their actions.

Are the accusers always holy now? Were they born this morning as pure as God's fingers? I'll tell you what's walking Salem: vengeance! The little crazy children are jangling the keys of the kingdom and common vengeance writes the law!