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I don't think that it was particularly dirty, or as dirty as some of the stuff he pulls. It falls in a grey area...it's not a clean move, but really, for a black belt, Tex should have had better positioning on the underhooks to prevent it. It sucks that he's out for a bit, but it is submission grappling, and he is a veteran, competing at the expert level.

I guess it's probably not quite as bad as the oblique kick, in my opinion. They both have potential to do long-term injury to the opponent, but leaving the opening for the arm crank is more a matter of poor form than with the strike to the knee. And yes, I get that they're both legal. I hope that changes.

I think without any doubt, jones will do whatever he has to to win. There just isn't a bit of concern about long-term injury to his opponent, as long as he wins. I think there are a lot of fighters who wouldn't do the arm crank--and good on them, in my opinion--but I'm betting there are just as many who will be looking for it now.

But ultimately, I don't feel like this is as bad as the eye-pokes, the spinning elbows to the back of the head, the forearms across the throat, etc.

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The arm wrench is questionable in the rules but still dirty as fuck when you consider Jones himself said its a dirty move in amateur wrestling yet had no problem doing it.

The majority of nuthuggers would cry if it was done to Jones and put him on the shelf. I mean one moron tried mentioning Gus' s past history outside of the sport, which is completely irrelevant to the thread. So imagine that retards reaction if Jones got poked 10 times, elbowed in the throat, and arm wrenched, lost his belt and got put on the shelf. It would be a problem then of course

There was nothing wrong with the arm crank. Everything else brought up on here is dirty but an arm crank? This is the point of the thread I bow out because now it seems like people are just looking for anything to call dirty. The goal of MMA is to KO or submit your opponent. Is an arm bar or kimura dirty? Was it dirty when Frank Mir broke Nog's arm? So the arm crank isn't allowed in another sport. Hell take downs aren't allowed in boxing. Are they dirty?

Jones reaction however was uncalled for and a douche move.

A dangerous move doesn't make it dirty. Had Glover tapped instead of fighting through what would people think then?

...so how do you account for elbows to the back of the head, forearms across the throat, covering opponents mouth and nose on the ground, etc?

With what I said I'm not disputing whether Jones is a dirty fighter or not just whether or not if the eye pokes are intentional or not.

As for the hand over the mouth and nose more then a few fighters have used that move and I don't think it's dirty... it's not going to injure anybody and really at worse it's just annoying to the fighter and makes them have to work a little harder to maintain their cardio.

Originally Posted by 1inthechamber

The arm wrench is questionable in the rules but still dirty as fuck when you consider Jones himself said its a dirty move in amateur wrestling yet had no problem doing it.

It would also be dirty to punch someone in the face in amateur wrestling. Good thing it was an MMA fight instead

Can't quote me or say my name, woman? I brought up Gustas past. So what? I did it because there's people out there who have reasons to not like Jones and then there's just sheep who hate Jones. I wanted to bring it up that no one is perfect and that there's a double standard, yet MMA is full of those.

You calling me a moron is like Rosie O Donnell calling someone fat, 1intheass. At least point out who you're referring to. Maybe you'll get a rep.

I've already said that I liked the arm crank. I've never seen it done like that before and it just shows another weapon in Jones' arsenal. It's obvious Jones isn't going to win the biggest sportsmanship award. He blatantly displays that's he has no remorse for his opponent during the fight and will utilize any sort of technique that will win him the fight. By any means necessary I suppose.

Is it clean, nope. But I like seeing how guys will either deal with it or fall to it. It's martial arts.

Sensitive huh?

I didn't remember who posted it but whatever lol. "1intheass"? What are you 15? I can't entertain stupid.

They let jones get away with eye pokes a lot when he actually does poke them in the eye so i doubt they'd call it is it was a fake. The only reason that the fight was stopped for the first eye poke against glover was bc Jones himself actually stopped(a surprisingly classy move). Big Dan didn't do anything at first. He truly is horrible.

Originally Posted by VimyRidge

He does a lot of dirty things, but the oblique and are crank, I am guessing are legal so ok.

They are legal. Most people think they shouldnt be but there are so you cant really fault him.