John Willoughby – June 14, 2017 12:27PMReplyQuoteEngland expects that every man will do his duty. Ha-ha!

As I agree with the need for stronger gun control laws, I am not going to start my usual cycle of counterpoints. The fact that you cite is indisputable, but arguments that extrapolate from it may be flawed.

Juuuust heard a freshman Congressman (male) literally say that line about bad guys and good guys and guns.

I should say that this is no way a "nobody should have guns argument".

Yes, you're right that that data would need more breakout, but if there were any correlation between armed bystanders and reduced violence there'd be a larger effect if there were _any_ armed bystanders. It's hard to assert that this sample was selecting out cases with armed bystanders, so it's a reasonable assumption that in that massive amount of cases, with that result... .

No, I think (some) libertarians (that lean towards anarchists) still feel that way.
And by the way, I've attended gun shows in Rand's district, just down the road from me, and they had his campaign banners very large around it.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/15/2017 12:45AM by El Jeffe.

John Willoughby – June 15, 2017 09:04AMReplyQuoteEngland expects that every man will do his duty. Ha-ha!