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can you achieve even 1% of wat the people whise statues you destroyed have achieved in their filed?

im sure you cant.then, in wat way can u justify breaking their statues. i wonder how you can tolerate the statues of people from other states but not from other regions of your stateindrapuri being named as "nizam"abad-isnt it symbolical of opression???please answer

can you achieve even 1% of wat the people whise statues you destroyed have achieved in their filed?

im sure you cant.then, in wat way can u justify breaking their statues.

It’s not a relevant argument. Can you ask the people who topple the statue of Lenin/Stalin/Saddam etc, if they could achieve even 1% of what these leaders could achieve?

We can’t be expecting everyone in Russia to become like Lenin first and then go about destroying the statue of Lenin. In people’s movements the objects of authority and symbols of oppression are usually attacked. That’s an expression of defiance. Defiance is usually expressed by the powerless against the powerful – therefore it is usually the common man breaking the statue of a well known leader.

May be you are not aware of this, but breaking the statues has been going on for over a year now in the interiors of Telangana, where statues of NTR, Indira Gandhi, et al have been destroyed.

i wonder how you can tolerate the statues of people from other states but not from other regions of your state

When we have our own state, we may install the very same statues which have been destroyed recently on the Tank Bund, and that will happen because we wish it, not because it has been imposed onto us.

but the people whose statues you broke existed at a time when the concepots of andhra and telangana did not exist at all.and regardibng the parralels you made, saddam hussan and lenin were dicators-a word wich cant be even remotely associated with any ofe people in tank bund

so as per you Telangana movement can go violent bcoz Indian independence movement also violent.Or you are trying to convey these incidents are ignorable?Either case why the a**h*** leading the movement claim the movement is peaceful and nothing would had happened if govt. allowed i million people?

It does not matter whether you claim that T movement has so far been non-violent(I agree its really surprisingly non-violent and kudos for their patience and calm ..- with no human life lost). All that matters is whether you WANT it non-violent or not in the future as well. Going by your previous posts you support violence and that's intellecutal dishonesty.

Going by your previous posts you support violence and that's intellecutal dishonesty.

Like many others, you have misinterpreted my writings. Within nonviolent agitations, I differentiate between passive resistance and proactive resistance. I consider the Egyptian and Tunisian revolutions nonviolent and I consider Indian Independence Movement nonviolent.

For example, this is what I write:

Women threw chappals, eggs and tomatoes at Chief Minister to make him retreat with tail between his legs. Noncooperation agitations resulted in more than 2000 Crores loss in revenues for the government in the first two days.

Now that we know how to fight…

That is the kind of fight, I was prescribing.

If you want to know more, you can read Telangana 62: Shall we become violent?

///why a***h**leading the movement claim the movement is peaceful and nothing would had happened if govt. allowed i million people?///

Is breaking of lifeless statues,more undemocratic than a lakh arrests???

If the leaders had not been arrested,they could have been held responsible,and threatened with severe punishments.But,our dictators thought otherwise....and then you complain...

If the agitators wanted to create havoc,they wouldn't have been defacing the statues,they would have vandalised private properties of selected Andhras....There is a huge difference,between the two.....

@Sujai In Libya its a Bloody Civil war you cant expect it to be peaceful, Yesterdays tankbund event can be considered a Momentus ocassion something like toppling of Lenins statues in eastern europe during the fall of communism or that of Saddams husseins statues being topple.

Andhras call us talibans, on thursday i saw some 3 year old Talibans shouting Jai telangana they came with their mothers and fathers.

Telangana protestors are Talibans, Shoot us drop Cluster Bombs on US, think that will be next U already Locked up One lakh of our people Just on Suspicion,You Humiliated 4 crore telangana people by Subjecting them to Checkpoints that resembled Israeli occupied Palestine.

annamayya was the greatest devotee of Lord Venkateswara and damaging his statue is the same as damaging the almighty's statue.mind you sujai and varun, srivaaru is not someone who is going to forgive and forget people so easily.

>>>Apart from statutes they attacked media property, burnt a place thrown stones on Expotel.<<<

How many places other than the staues and a few glasses of Expotel were vandalised??When the entire leadership goes missing,no one can be held responsible for their people's actions....Which is exactly,what had happened in the first place....

The entire episode went smoothly,until the government provoked them with more arrests,calling on their ire....

As far as media attacks are concerned,let me REMIND you,that the people from the media weren't harmed intentionally,only their cameras were,and rightfully so,for misreporting and disfiguring the agitation...

>>>>Also descendant of 'Brahma naidu' your great KCR was under potana's status while taking oath. Why he did not try stop at least a few.<<<<<

Why should he????Had the government,given a proper permission,they could have asked KCR,Kodandaram and all the others for an explanation for the incidents.

While the Tank bund,had already witnessed a human chain,and several protests on it,nothing like this has happened,then....

Why not then????Why now???

Because,the organisers were responsible and the participants,answerable....Take that way from,the protest and a March 10,2011 happens...

>>>BTW, what happened to remaining 9 lakh people when 1 lakh out of 10 lakh arrested.<<<<

This is NOT a question a gentleman would ask,after knowing the extreme measures the government took to stop it.....

and it was NOT something against opressors as sujai said.it was a pre planned conspiracy with the motivation that these statues represnt omething which is "NOT OURS" SAME REASON GIVEN BY TALIBANS AGAINST BUDHAS STATUES.and talking about de-andhrization i suggest few more techniquies:* learn salsa, disco hip-hop but dont learn kuchipudi* rather die than talking medicines made by andhra pharmacy firms*dont eat rice items as thers high posibilty that it is cultivated in godavari districts

*bank employees are tranferable troughut the country.so dont take loans from any bank as it might have seemandhraites as its staff members.*many seemandhraites are working s project leaders in multi national software companys.so dont use any product like oracle, windows,etc as few modules might be developed by SA engineers.*if u come to know that ur road is bult by SA engineer, dont trvel on it*as you people are proved experts in demolitions, please do the same to tirumala tirupati devasthanam office in liberty(quite close to tank bund) as lord Venkateswara is "rayal seema devudu"*ask telangana farmers not to buy fertilizers from nagarjuna groupand last but NOT the leastask raj news to stop telecasting adds of seemandhra firms and films.im sure the last one is quite difficult

this idiot deleting comments of others but ignores foul language in comments made by his side, i don't wonder the author himself is making those comments and displaying his true colors with fake identity while keeping his actual name respectful...

Please read the comments below from Sonu.You have morons there also who are holding politicians responsible after reading entire article which says that the frustration among people is leading to slipping of the movement from politicians hands.

HYDERABAD: If the developments of the last few weeks, including the desecration of statues on Tank Bund are any indication, the separate state movement is becoming increasingly militant and beyond the control of the TRS and the Telangana JAC, the two organisations that have been spearheading the agitation so far.

It is this apprehension that is topmost on the minds of TRS president KCR and Telangana JAC convenor M Kodandaram, according to sources. Apparently, the hold of KCR over the T movement has been diminishing with each passing day.

TRS sources said the party chief was miffed that several T government associations visited New Delhi recently to meet the UPA leaders without informing him. Secondly, they did not inform KCR that they were calling off the non-cooperation movement.

Also, despite KCRs view that the Million March should be put off in view of Inter exams, the T associations would hear nothing of it. These have got KCR wondering if the T movement is slipping from his hands, said a T sympathiser.

According to observers, those who do not want to work under the leadership of KCR are turning to Kodandaram. On Thursday, Kodandaram turned out to be the sole leader of the Million March on Tank Bund, with some forces demanding the release of the JAC convenor within one hour after he was arrested. The JAC convenor was freed by the evening, and made it to the rally venue to a heros welcome.

Another pointer to the winds of change is that many participants in the rally donned masks of Kodandaram and there was not a single mask of KCR. For the first time, it was established that the people are responding to the T-call even though it was not given by KCR, said a Congress leader. This is clear enough indication to say that some attempt is being made to make Kodandaram an independent leader of JAC and independent of TRS and KCR, said a teacher from OU. The choosing of Tank Bund as the venue in itself is a political decision. There has been a pent-up anger among T-people against the statues on Tank Bund which are perceived as symbols of Andhra culture. The decision to hold the rally there is a provocative one, he added.

But it is the militancy of the movement that is the most worrying for the political leaders. Apart from the JAC, the T movement is seeing the growing strength of a third force constituting students and youth, backed by Gadar and other smaller groups. All these sections are wanting to prove that movements could be run without the TRS and KCR. some argued. More importantly, KCR is finding it difficult to rein them in. Militant elements hijacking the T movement from a politician who controlled it till now can prove dangerous for the latter, said the sources. And it is this issue that the T movement leadership want to address first.

the biggest difference is that moments in egypt, libya and other countries and in telangana is that while they were anti-establishment, this one is PURELY RACIAL targetting people from a particular region.its more of a struggle for supremacy between politicians of 2 regions who are using people as pawns

According to observers, those who do not want to work under the leadership of KCR are turning to Kodandaram.

Lmao...Under whom Kodandam working? without KCR this whole movement will become a joke. Kondandam is a buffon whos master is KCR he does exactly what kcr orders...vandalizing statues is part of TRS plan it went on just like they wanted yet these people tries to showcase it as if it happened unexpectedly!

Sometime ago T-vaadi commentors on this blog claimed that T movement is people's movement bcoz it was not run by single person or group but many JACs.

Now they say activists vandalized bcoz leaders are not allowed.What happened to all those JACs that were running without leaders till yesterday? When they could run movements on their own cannot they control themselves?

Most idiotic arguments from learned and teaching community.

Moreover these hypocrites can neither admit it was wrong nor praise those who committed the act. Like in case of Srikanthachari, Yadayya etc project these vandals as heroes. You do not have guts.

all along you raised many questions on morals and principles of justice.

You must feel ashamed to hide behind technicalities and changing color.

Why should government talk to KCR? You people do not accept KCR as leader but say movement is run by people and not leaders.So the great peoples movement goes berserk if leaders are not there. Right?

Till other day every T activist accused media not covering movement properly. Now you defend the actions that prevent media covering the incident. I know you will come back we do not need Andhra media coverage. FYI even RajNews cameras were destroyed by your goons.As usual you conveniently ignored a woman reporter being hurt by the vandals.

So if one lakh people arrested remaining 9 lakh go home like cowards.Imagine the remaining 9 lakh even attempting to reach Hyderabad. Can state police really arrest all of them? Do T really have enough jails to put in 1 million people?

Why don't u quantify the movement in terms of loss to taxpayers, govt and individuals because of ur actions? It is easy to come up with ur own stats and conclude what u want to but being a party to the conflict, an independent judge has to corroborate for any credibility. How do u quantify destruction of Annamayya statue as he is considered 'symbol of oppression'? Attacks on cultural artists and symbols happens only in a deranged society (eg Taliban in Afghanistan) and if it happens in a free country, it has the effect of million times of 1 incident in an autocratic country.

I did not bring KCR into the argument,you did.....Since KCR and Kodandaram have been chosen as leaders,we expect OUR government to speak to them,and convince them of meeting with OUR demands....

>>>So the great peoples movement goes berserk if leaders are not there. Right?<<<<

I was present there,and most of the time the entire episode went smoothly.It was only one irate group that went berserk with fury....And it is this fear,that worries us....Of the young people being unable to take the pressure ,that the Central and State govt puts on them...

If allllllll of us in there had gone mad with anger,then I would call it a wrong deed.....Did we????

>>>>Till other day every T activist accused media not covering movement properly.<<<<<

Right....Great Andhra media.

Did you hear,TV9's comments???What do call that????Media rights???I have never come across such crass commentary,and such filthy language used,on ANY channel till date....

People lose their temper,and do worser things,in a fit of rage,and fury.....And,I can paste several such video links here,of people....

But,don't you know them already????

One JP gets smacked and a few statues broken and the world turns over for you....

What about all the farmers who died a hunger death???What about all the lands that have been usurped,to fill rich pockets???What about the distress that students have suffered,when their own government calls them Maos and Naxals???? What about all the girls who have been kicked in their bellies and pulled around by their hair????

Where were you,then??????

>>>>Imagine the remaining 9 lakh even attempting to reach Hyderabad. Can state police really arrest all of them?<<<<

You are sooooooooo clueless.

Did you even come onto the roads,that day????Do you know how many people were arrested within the city????Do you know how many troops were stationed at entry and exit points????Do you even have an idea,about how difficult it was even for a Hyderabadi to reach Tank bund that day?????

>>>>As usual you conveniently ignored a woman reporter being hurt by the vandals.<<<<<

My bad,now you are chivalrous as well!!!!!

Where were you when the police were beating up and misbehaving with girls in the OU hostels????

Having your cup of chai,and watching TV or maybe typing away on the internet,maybe....

Why should you even ask us for an explanation,when even democratic rights have been stamped on???

>>>>Imagine the remaining 9 lakh even attempting to reach Hyderabad.<<<<

How many of you'll came out to stop even those who assembled there,from Hyderabad?????

Imagine if all of them had assembled indefinitely,do you even understand the catastrophe,that you are asking for????

If like you asked,all the people break down barriers and go berserk,are you ready for a siege like that????

Then again,maybe that is what people like sera and you would want.....So,you can get an excuse for a reason.....which is how your arguments sound,anyway....

Why do you want hide behind one irate group? Why the rest, including you did not stop them?Instead of answering the attack on media you are talking about what media said after attack.

A woman reporter was hurt. Yes or no? Why do you ask where I was?

You break statues, throw cameras, burn one place, pelt stones on a hotel. To justify it you talk of democratic rights? Again you say 'one irate group'. Your irate group goes on rampage and you hide behind provocation.What nonsense you talk.

Why should we or I come to stop anybody? Accept that you million march was not even lakh march.

The day your MLAs attacked JP you T-vaadis lost right to demand democratic rights. You do something anti-democratic and anti-social and paint it as 'answer' or 'response' earlier actions of other. Matter settles there itself. After you and you goons cross the thin line of decency you are not different from anti-social elements.

Many of our seemandra friends asked us that why didn't we asked for telangana between 1969 and 2000, they also asked why did we never asked for T people's statues before, they also asked why didnt we never questioned about TG's backwardness etc etc. all they want to conclude is, we always felt good in the past about whats happening, but we are not happy now because some one brainwashed. Thats why TG people never agitated for T state after 1969.

So, what they say is if T people really wanted there own state from past five decades, they would have been on roads every day.

If we apply the same logic on them, currently Seemandra on fire for demolition of the statues. Few are angry and few other are angry. They say each and every one are either sad or angry about this incident. If so, then this rally(news article in eenadu) is good opportunity for who ever really felt bad about. If there angry is really about statues I am guessing there will be atleast 10+ lak people attending this rally, and this will be good opportunity for anti-T vadies to show there strength.

What my strong feeling is, who ever condemn that incident, not every one from those are genuine with there feelings. Starting from KCR .. ending with Lagadapati, every one faked there condemned, we know why KCR condemned and every one knows why Lagadapati did, because he is a politician and anti-T vadi (he is not a samakyavadi, just anti-T vadi).

[Like in case of Srikanthachari, Yadayya etc project these vandals as heroes. You do not have guts. ]

In my opinion if hundreds of SA guys had committed suicide for United Andhra, I am sure you would have filled starting from garbage papers to history books/cinemas glorifying that. But unfortunately SA people dont care if it is United or not. Or in simple language, you and other SA fanboys dont have guts to sacrifice to such extend. I am sorry for your cheap mind set who try to make fun of some ones life loss.

[Why should government talk to KCR? You people do not accept KCR as leader but say movement is run by people and not leaders.]

So, why did govt. arrested all known leaders if they dont recognize them as our leaders? Beacause even though we dont accept them as our leaders , you keep force us to accept them as leaders. If you see news papers from past two days, many or condemned KCR or Kodandaram for statues matters, why?

[Till other day every T activist accused media not covering movement properly. Now you defend the actions that prevent media covering the incident.]

Yes, because we know why Media is there, not to cover and glorify the movement but to show each and small incidents, run them 24hrs to prove this movement is all about violence by few goons. That is all happened so far, and there will be no difference if statues/media property destruction.

haha...Man aren't you an exemplary IDIOT! Where did race come into picture you moron? Ok first thing you need to learn before barking on here is what exactly is the problem. Then you can bark, howl, squeel do whatever you please.

"Have you gone insane?Where is your morality?Are you pretending to be indifferent?Or are you totally ignorant?Is it so hard for you to see our plight?You keep denying it under broad daylightHave you lost your mind?Enough! Stop acting blind!How dare you mock our decades of endeavorTime's dawned to overthrow your arrogance foreverAll you see is stones? Your senses are f*ckedDont you realize that blood has been shed?You cry over your defeat in the name of cultureYou relished upon our prides like a mean vultureWe are no more brothers, we are not cousins anymoreYou left no meaning for the relation no more.You are an abominable culture freakFrom our pain, your pleasure you seekYou buried us under the soils of oppressionNow taste the crude bitterness of revolution!You proved to be yet another firangiWe will fight against your diplomacyYour regime is about to be brokenSo long we end the tyranny!"- Anonymous

Some Andhra Idiots are comparing the destruction of Statues at Tankbund to that of the Destruction of Bhudda statues at Bamiyan by the Taliban, that comparsion cant be more Absurd.

The Bhudda statues at Bamiyan were built in the year 501 CE, thats like 2000 years ago, they were built due to the amalgamation of Bhuddist, Hindu influences and due to Cross cultural point of the Silk road, they were Great Monuments declared as world Heritage by United Nations. now coming to Tankbund statues they were built within 30 Days, I dont know the material Used to build them but they were Hollow Inside like cheap POP statues, and some of the faces of Statues were built with the Resemblance of NTR's face just because he asked them to Satisfy his EGO. Telangans did "Beautification" work at the Tankbund by Destroying those Ugly Cheap statues serving the ego's of Andhra domination, think now Tourists both domestic and foreign will thank Telanganites whenever they visit Tankbund, Now Bhudda statue will Get the attention it deserves in middle of Tankbund.

For example Telangana protesters can also claim that they are doing a Nimajanam to Andhra statues Out of Deep respect as they do to Ganesh statues every year, But they are not claiming so because that will be Absurd.

a silly question.If lifeless statues are not important why did your goons destroyed them?

So you waste your time and energies on wrong targets.This idiotic behavior of T-activists is not new.When the real power was with center and congress party, these idiots wasted 13 months targeting TDP and CBN. Of course just becoz their KCR wanted so.

If lifeless statues are not important why did your goons destroyed them?

So you waste your time and energies on wrong targets.

We have one more genius who only thinks he is the only one can think logically.Ppl who are defending the destruction of statues are not backing the act per se but the frustration behind it.

Secondly,After Dec 31st,2010 i have seen Tv9 reporting news about Telangana continuously only for two times.First time when JP got smacked and the second time when the statues are destructed.So,i don't think their energeries were wasted.It at least served some purpose by attracting the attention of the blind local media.

Not sure with what intent T vadis toppled those statues,but good that they did that.Otherwise, all the local and National media wouldn't have even looked at this issue.

From all these incidents i can come to only one conclusion.Govt and media in this country don't take problems seriously until they take some violent form.

This idiotic behavior of T-activists is not new.When the real power was with center and congress party, these idiots wasted 13 months targeting TDP and CBN.

Your idiocy is also very apparent.If thats what you think i am sorry for your poor knowledge on the movement.

This 1 year when SKC was busy coming up with that non sense,ppl were enlightened about why demerger has to be done.Lots of ppl who were from T and didn't know what T vadis are fighting for got time to know the movement properly ending up stretching their support for the movement.

Its because of this 1 year time ppl had,Non cooperation and opposing Racha banda were such a success.So,pls start observing the things before calling some idiot blindly.

Telangana movement has beeen to a large extent non-violent. For a year-long agitation, for the most part the movement has been non-violent. However, the felling of statues need to be condoned. As many have said before me, these personalities are not symbols of oppression. They are in fact the opposite. These personalities have stood up to the oppressors irrespective of the region they come from.

The unsurprising part of the agitation has been that the sporadic instances of violence has always involved the students as in any other agitation.

If the act of destroying the statues isa to be taken as a symbolism of oppression, the need is to first fell the leaders in the Telangana region. The region has always had democratically elected leaders. If their constituencies have not developed, the immediate leaders are responsible. I wish the agitation had really taken that shape. Hold your immediate leaders responsible for the oppression. Blaming people/leaders of the other region is diggressing from the main solution to the problem. If your immediate leaders are incapable, find a capable leader. Make them responsible for the promises/manifesto agenda.

I only wish the Telangana agitation had taken that course, it would have truly stood as an example to the whole world. I am sure people from anywhere would be glad to follow the model set by the agitation. Alas, all the leaders and the participants are not looking at the larger picture. It is not a panacea for all the current problems.

I believe a separate state must be formed--not for any of the economic/development imbalances that are being stated. It is because majority of the people from the region want a state. Same is the case with any other region.

>>>>Why do you want hide behind one irate group? Why the rest, including you did not stop them?Instead of answering the attack on media you are talking about what media said after attack.<<<<

I have already made my stand,pretty clear previously.I or we do NOT NOT NOT want or support violence.....We know,where it can lead,and I know that you know...

And,this is THE reason,why a lot of us,including leaders like,Nagam and the MIM,and others,are imploring on the govt.to acknowledge it....

>>>A woman reporter was hurt. Yes or no? Why do you ask where I was?<<<<

Hundreds of girls were abused,weren't they???How are those innocent girls different from a women here?????

Only a hypocrite can ask such questions....

>>>You break statues, throw cameras, burn one place, pelt stones on a hotel. To justify it you talk of democratic rights? Again you say 'one irate group'.<<<

I never justified breaking of the statues.....I knew something like this could happen.And we have been expressing our concerns regarding it,on a regular basis...The govt.,and its cronies,cannot provoke people with their actions, and expect them to react in an educated and sensible fashion....

Just as an example...Would you call the people of Kakharapalli violent or vigilant????

If you can answer this question,without prejudice,you can expect a decent answer back....

>>>Why should we or I come to stop anybody? Accept that you million march was not even lakh march.<<<

Before the March,you taunted us with a let's see how many will come attitude,and now it is why only a few....Are we really on the same level here?????

To tell you bluntly,you aren't exactly the gentleman you claim to be.....

>>>>You do something anti-democratic and anti-social<<<<<

What a funny guy you are,Mr.Slb!!!!!A lakh arrests are democratic,and a few broken statues aren't!!!!

>>>After you and you goons cross the thin line of decency you are not different from anti-social elements.<<<<

Now,you show your true colours...

You are a class one hypocrite,and no different from all those fools who justify governments actions in suppressing the voice of the people....

You seem to be following the principle of,Caesar's wife being above reproach....

You expect us to behave in a fair and decent manner,when even our basic civil rights are under question....

With all those arrests,since the past couple of days,I had my doubts,about the success of the show.But here goes ....

I started my day,with Gaddar's Podustunna Poddumeeda......and kept listening to it,till I left home....I was mad enough to make a 6 metre long National Flag of India,one day before the D Day...and,that thing gave me hell..Anyway,could still make one,which was close to being our flag.....

Left office,went straight to a book store and purchased a hundred more small flags,and some sweets,in the flow...Took a long time requesting auto fellows to take me to Khairatabad,since taking cars and bikes looked impossible,so that I could join a couple of friends....

There I was,all alone in an auto,going towards Khairtabad Railway Station,and I was welcomed by a strong batallion of about 8 paramilitary troops,and about twenty vans......The police were EVERYWHERE....and that was an understatement.Had to go an extra 13 kms,just from Flyover to Khairatabad Ganesh temple...Finally reached my destination,and met some friends,who were all ready,with banners,news and a great spirit...

Once we decided to go ahead,a about 12.30,we found that police were either checking or arresting people in droves....Any one found hanging around the roads weren't spared either....An arrest for walking on the road,standing in a group,or even getting a chappal repaired.....

Took a short,narrow route,towards IMAX and still found a group of policemen there as well,who stopped us for over an hour.....The crowd slowly gathered and the tempo picked up,forcing the police to relent some....A few of them managed to get out,but not all of us could....

Then on,the police didnt let us move for more than a couple of hundred metres...This is where we made a mistake.Instead of taking the Lakdi ka pul road,or the DBR mills road,we stayed there,waiting for more people to join in....

The police force were surprisingly a lot better this,time around,where,some of them even laughed with us.......

They let us get into the cordoned area,but once we were in,they wouldn't let us get out....We were again stuck for about half an hour.....Slowly,people started growing in numbers with quite a few of them,holding the flags....and then we kept moving ahead....

The boys started running around,looking for strategies and ways to escape from the police ,but all the roads were barricaded....Luckily,the cordon of a politician came around,and about a hundred people moved towards Tank bund,using the opportunity....They reached THE Venue,and the rest they say is history....

The songs,the shouts,the atmosphere was festive.....Some of them even,coming from foreign,to participate in the event....It was just BEAUTIFULLY CHAOTIC...

I was left all alone,without my friends,in that chaos,but thanks to a few people,I was able to move out of there...Some of them,just first timers like me,and I felt a bit better among the veterans,there.....

We started sloganeering,singing,and cheering each other to keep up the tempo...They not just supported me,but,stayed with me till I was on my way back....

Truly,an amazing experience for a lot of us....

I have contributed towards the cause,earlier by donating money or with my time for other activities related to education,but never before have I felt this sense of achievement or contribution....

I have decided,that this participation is going to be a regular thing,from now...

(P.S:The highlight of the day for me was,the call from a friend's father,from Karimnagar,who was actually scolding him,for not being able to reach the venue earlier.....Our parents are such rockstars!!!!)

@tgcomparision with budhas statue is not regarding the material used for making the state but the logic that "such and such a person does not belong to our region/religion/community.so break his statue."

pity that u dont consider the following as "outsiders":*islamic names for your towns and loacilities named by nizam( the man who made your ancestor women play bathukamma naked),* names after people from other states(mg road, jntu, lb stadium, ravindra bharathi, etc)

the real opressor for telangana was, in my opinion ysr.how come you diont find time to demolish even a single statue of his???is it bcos of the match fixing between kcr and jagan?i would have saluted you guys from the bottom of my heart if you had broken 5 statues of that MOFO ysr.and as i already said b4, the worst sing you guys did was to break the statue oif the greates devotee of Lord Venkateswara-annamacharya.and as a devotee of srivaru, iu can say that hes not someone like rosayya or kiran kumar whos going to take things lightly.blasphemy will be dealt with as deserved.and mind u, hes also knows as "vaddee kaasula vaadu". hes going to extract vengeance with intrest

few suggestions to trs people*ask kcr to pack off to bobbil and vijayashanthi to east godavari district*ktr was named by his dad after nt rama rao.so he shd change his name*that guy did his intermediate in guntur.so he shd do it once againall over from gadwal govt jr college*learn salsa, hip-hop, pole dance and belly dance but not kuchipudi asit originated in krishna district*consume irani chai, italian pizza and american burger but not 'andhra meals"*die rather than take medicines made by andhra pharma firms*telangana farmers shd let their crops dry rather than use fertilizersmade by andhra company*bank employees are tranferable throughout India.so dont take loans asthat bank might have a seemandhra (SA) guy as its staff member.*many SA people are working as product in multi national softwarefirms.so dont use any product like oracle, window, ibm hardware,etc asthey might have SA engineers as part of theier design and developmentteams.*dont eat rice items as there is high posibility that they arecultivated in east Godavari district*as you guys are proved experts in demolitions, please do the same totirumala tirupati devashtanam office in lberty(wich is very close totank bund) as Lord Venkateswara is a "rayalaseema devudu"*kakatiya dynasty ahd marritial relations with coastal districts. sochange then name of kakatiya university*shamshabad airport was buot by gmr whos from srikakulam district.so dont use it.if u wanna travel by air, go to blore or mumbai by train and catch a flight from there.and last but not the lease-ask raj news to stop telecasting ADs of seemandhra movies and products.i guess last one is pretty difficult

[The Bhudda statues at Bamiyan were built in the year 501 CE, thats like 2000 years ago, they were built due to the amalgamation of Bhuddist, Hindu influences and due to Cross cultural point of the Silk road, they were Great Monuments declared as world Heritage by United Nations. ]

SA fanboys seems to dont understand the difference between those two situations. Bhudda statue was a international heritage which can not be replaced once destroyed. Where tank bund statues can be, and same time the lives destroyed under the SA rule and the lives lost for TG formation can not be restored. It seems like they are not able to use there mind correctly and not able to decide to for what they need to worry and what not to worry much.

[the real opressor for telangana was, in my opinion ysr.how come you diont find time to demolish even a single statue of his???]

It would have been done if there was one of his statue on tankbund.

[is it bcos of the match fixing between kcr and jagan?]

If thats your honest opinion, KCR is anyway far from you, why dont you take some time and kick the Jagan's butt for fixing with KCR? Jagan is always in the people and available for you all the time. But you dont... is it bcos....?

Thanks for teaching me a new meaning today. I thought the different meaning for "vaddee kaasula vaadu". I wish I have a "Telugu to Seemandra" dictionary. So that I can understand well when I am talking to you guys. Do you suggest few places we I can buy that book?

[Green Star understand what he (JP) says, don't just support your POV blindly.]

I dont have to understand, you came into debate very very late, first go and read tens of posts in this blogs along with the comments, later come here and continue the debate but not just do a fresh start, we are tired explaining/teaching noobs like you.

JP is not fallen from heaven, there are few ex IAS in TRS and few many in TG agitation. If you have to respect what JP says just because he is well educated, ... well TG agitation has full of such people.

To all others who still have some logic and brain cells left, please understand the essence of it. Please no abuses, if you do, then god save us.

Green Star understand what he (JP) says, don't just support your POV blindly.

Some answers to your questions:-------------------------q) Andhra people killed 600 AP ---------------------------residents (they are people of AP and not telangana as you say, since it is united AP and our constitution doesn't recognize telangana as yet, if not please check your address, you have AP written all over it)Ans)No body killed them, they committed suicide which is their wish, for which nobody is responsible.They weren't forced to commit suicide since most of them had the intelligence to highight their plight(or whatever they thought) and commit suicide in front of everybody, why didn't they use this intelligence to secure a job or a good life.

There are jobs and opportunities, nobody takes anything from anybody.

If not you will be doing some slave work somewhere and wouldn't have the knowledge or time to write in this blog(which itself shows how hair brained your logic is)

For ex: If some guy commits suicide saying that greenstar's comments hurt him, are you responsible for his death?

----------------------------q)Andhra's looted telangana----------------------------ans)Where did you file your complaint? in which police station and what did they take away from you? Don't reiterate the long list of abstract things that never existed before the state formation nor a 1000 years before.

A thief will only take what you have, if you never had anything and say we would have got it if not for you, then it is sheer non sense. It is like the inception movie wherein, X stolen Y's dreams.----------------------------------q)Hyderabad belongs to telangana---------------------------------ans)Hyderabad is a capital city of the state of AP. I as a resident of AP and the republic of India have all rights to stay there and pursue my dreams and ambitions. You or your brethren don't have any right to neck me out of there. i have a right to free speech and free thought, you or your brethren cannot force me to say or do what you want.

I am an individual and a human, and i am free to think and act according to my well being and my society's, without harming,destructing or killing other members of my society.

And i believe you have the same rights, without resorting to the above bad deeds.

And finally i believe every state has the right to crush mob violence either by force or by actions.

One final word:If you burn buses and destroy property, it is wrong irrespective of what reasons you quote (it is the same for everyone in the world including me)

If you threaten people with violence it is wrong irrespective of who does it.

If you use mobs to threaten people it is wrong who does it.

And please take responsibility for your actions (be a man and don't hide behind mobs and threat of suicide), if you did something bad and the police files a case, you want that case withdrawn? how is that fair.

For example: I kick you, sujai and other guys and say, jai andhra and united andhra pradesh, should i not be punished? now don't bring anything else into this, Wrong is Wrong irrespective of what logic you bring into this.

Question:Why would you topple the statues of such great men, those who contributed to culture and history of India and Telugus? Aren’t Telangana people Indian and Telugus?

Imagine India is still under British. While we are fighting with them, let’s say British put up statues in New Delhi on one of the prominent roads. Most of the statues happen to be personalities hailing from Great Britain, scientists and philosophers, like Isaac Newton, Alexander Fleming, Bertrand Russell, George Bernard Shaw, James Watt, and so on. Indians are peeved that the ruling British did not put statues of Indian luminaries but only those of British people. In one of the protests, they topple these statues. Now, the argument against them could be:

Why do you topple statues of such great men, those who contributed to science and literature of whole world? Aren’t Indians humans belonging to whole world?

Such questions are ridiculous because one has to understand that when British put up these statues, clearly they are representing only the ruling class and they are not bothered about Indians.

The same way, when NTR put up those statues, many Telangana intellectuals expressed deep dissatisfaction with the move because he was more interested in rubbing Andhra heroes onto us, but not taking into account the luminaries from Telangana.

Question:Aren’t Telangana same as Talibans of Afghanistan who blew up Bamiyan statues?

One a daily basis we burn effigies of prominent personalities while protesting against them. KCR’s and Kodandaram’s effigies are burnt by Seemandhras. When we are angry with certain people, we burn their effigies. When we are angry with certain groups, we tend to burn effigies of leaders or heroes of those groups. We don’t go into asking questions like why you destroyed those effigies.

In the same way, when people revolt against a regime, they go about destroying the statues that those regimes represent. So when Soviet Union broke up, people topple the statues of Lenin and Stalin though they were long gone and are not alive anymore. Breaking statues of Lenin, Stalin, Saddam, or Stalin cannot be equated to blowing up statues of Bamiyan.

In many small towns and villages of Telangana, the statues of NTR, Indira Gandhi et al have already been destroyed. The ire of Telangana people is against all the symbols of oppressors, not just the statue on Tank Bund.

Question:Why topple the statues of prominent people who did not participate in suppressing the people of Telangana?

This is answered in the first question. Though Newton may not have ruled India, but the fact that British imposed their statues onto Indians without their own representation is reprehensible to Indians and they may go about destroying the statue of Newton only because his statue is imposed onto us by the ruling British, not because we have any animosity directly against Isaac Newton.

Indians, when they become independent, may want to install the statue of Isaac Newton, on their own, out of their volition, not because British imposed it onto them.

The same way, Telangana may go about installing the statues of some of the prominent people whose statues now lie in Hussain Sagar, but that will happen only when Telangana is free, not when it is under subjugation.

Question:If lifeless statues are not important why did Telanganas destroy them?

Effigies are not important and they do not hold any value; but we still burn them to make a point.

Many poets describe 'heaven on earth' but that does not mean we actually have heaven on earth. We cannot go about discussing angels, fairies, and gods in politics.

Many poets describe 'utopia' but that does not mean we actually have utopia on this earth. We cannot go about looking for one on a map.

Many poets describe 'no caste' but that does not mean we can shy away from dealing with untouchability.

If there has to be only one country, why didn't we allow British to continue ruling us? We would have been part of a very great country - British Empire.

Why did Andhra State divide from Madras Presidency?

Why is Rangareddy a separate district? There should be no districts, no states, no countries. There should be only entity on the map - where continent will be same as country will be same as state will be same as district and so on.

@SujaiThis is answered in the first question. Though Newton may not have ruled India, but the fact that British imposed their statues onto Indians without their own representation is reprehensible to Indians and they may go about destroying the statue of Newton only because his statue is imposed onto us by the ruling British, not because we have any animosity directly against Isaac Newton

During indian independence movement, if an angry Indian mob did this, though I'm an Indian and I'm fighting for the same independence, I would exercise a part in my body called brain and I would criticize those MORONS. I won't become one by blindly supporting them. I would never let the rational part of my brain get clouded by the emotional part. I thought Sujai is like me but apparently NOT. Is it a rule that just because you are a Telanganite, you HAVE TO support whatever is done in the name of agitation. Can you not disagree with some of their actions and yet support the overall cause for TG?

JP is not fallen from heaven, there are few ex IAS in TRS and few many in TG agitation. If you have to respect what JP says just because he is well educated, ... well TG agitation has full of such people.

hahaha all IAS officers are not same dumbass, kiran kumar is also a CM but is he the same as CBN or YSR? for regional balance is he as good as boorgula? all IAS officers need not to be as good as JP, you idiots may consider JP as idiot but In AP Madabooshi sridhar and JP are too gud, i would really want to see a debetate between such people in TV's instead of those political idiots.

Andhra people know they are fighting a losing battle here. Telangana formation is written on the wall. It's been declared in annuls of the parliament. There's no going back. Andhra people lost the love of Telangana people by their cunning/non-inclusive agenda. Reconciliation can only happen by giving Telangana it's due share. The earlier the separation the better.

Coming to JP, It escapes my small brain why he does not vehemently support Telangana, when it's so inline with his concept of empowered local governance. Madabushi Sridhar's stand is no comparison with JP's incoherent stand.

Andhra politicians may do better in the future if they spend efforts in trying to convince their people of the imminense of separation and tell them it was all their fault. Ask them to forget the past and concentrate on developing the future with their owne capital city and then Telangana people can get busy fighting their own politicians and make them work for them (These T politicains have been in teh hiding behind the backs of Andhras for too long)

Sujai:I am from Tirupati. When I studied in REC Warangal, I used to go to Balaji temple in Hanumakonda. It was common to hear Annamayya keerthanas....this was about 17 years back. I wonder if people in Warangal stopped playing these because Annamayya is from Cudappah. My roommate was from a village in Warangal dist and studied in telugu medium. He was a big fan of Sri Sri.

I had very fond memories of my college days in Warangal. But I also realized even back then (when there was no agitation) the stark differences between Telangana and rest of state. I am a supporter of division because it will help my hometown and I have no strong ties to Hyderabad.

Only point is when people like Annamayya and Sri Sri are attacked, it may have offended a lot of common Telangana people...So, it may be time for leaders of Telangana movement to accept it and move on.

1.The behavior of Telangana goons on Tank Bund has basically reinforced the stereotypes about the stupidity of the Telangana youth.The movement has lost some sympathy as a result.

2.However unfortunate it might be, the mindless, Talibanesque destruction of the statues, has served the purpose of the non-Telangana Hyderabadis. All right thinking people will now work together to ensure that Hyderabad will have its separate status or more safeguards to prevent these goons from misbehaving again. The statues can, and will be replaced at the same spot.

3.Most Seemandhra people really do not want to stay together with Telangana any longer. Thanks to this movement, land prices in Krishna and Guntur districts, and Kadapa/Kurnool districts have risen a lot. The entire united AP movement is basically aimed at pushing things towards a sharing of Hyderabad or making it a separate entity to safeguard the investments/people there.

4.In the end, Seemandhra folks will have their cake and eat it too.The dumb Telanganas have been sold over by their leaders. But what boggles my mind is the sheer venality they have managed to incite among the agitating students.

5.Most of the internet warriors for Telangana seem to be software coolies or MBA types in the service sector - people who have a degree that got them a job in Hyderabad/Blr/US, but not much real education.And Sujai - I used to respect him as an entrepreneur, but his arguments have been disappointingly emotional.He needs to think clearly and at least attempt to offer a solution. Nothing but Telangana+Hyderabad is never gonna work. If any one still dreams about it, I can only pity them.

All right thinking people will now work together to ensure that Hyderabad will have its separate status or more safeguards to prevent these goons from misbehaving again.

Actually it gives Delhi a solid reason now to keep Hyderabad separate. Anyway it has been on the same path of thought. Did you hear Kuldeep Nayar's comments. Anyway good that you pointed it out so neatly.

And Sujai - I used to respect him as an entrepreneur, but his arguments have been disappointingly emotional.

For Sujai this is a childhood dream or addiction. It is impossible for him to shake of this. Apart from this one issue I think there need not be respect lost to him. Everyone has their addictions and negative traits ;-)

And Hyderabadis want a separate Hyderabad. It is now more pronounced after the statues demolition Taliban style. They see it as an example of "hostile occupation". I have talked to enough who used to be ambivalent before but now after the statues incident they are all siding with the "separate Hyderabad" argument.

(P.S:The highlight of the day for me was,the call from a friend's father,from Karimnagar,who was actually scolding him,for not being able to reach the venue earlier.....Our parents are such rockstars!!!!)

good summarization.Very unfortunate but I cannot avoid the comment on my Telangana brothers. Despite 60 years of freedom from Nizam's oppression, they could not shake of submissive mindset. T movement was a great opportunity for them to demonstrate their independent thought and behavior. But they failed by following the leaders most of whom are descendants of feudal lords.The political immaturity was very much evident from talk of their leaders. Leaders from all political parties including TRS(wondering!) failed to think independent and act independent.Many of them are educated but did not 'learn' how to participate and utilize democracy.Honestly! common man from SA is looking for division. They see it as opportunity to grow on their own instead of piggy-backing on Hyderabad.

Coming to Sujai. He is from the sections in Telangana that was disgruntled by merger. They failed to complete SA politically and best way they thought get their own area of competition.Sujai's madness was complete when he compared T movement with that of Egypt and Tunsia. Now he (and likes of Lavanya) even stopped thinking about rest of the world. Under the 'victimhood' worn by them, they see only two things SAs are villains and all done under T movement is fair. Whether we like it or not this is spreading to many common people in TG who may suffer from Psychic problems soon.

HYDERABAD: Telangana votaries maintain that there are several eminent historical and literary personalities from the Telangana region who are equally deserving to be honoured with statues on Tank Bund as are those whose figures were vandalised by T zealots during the Million March here last Thursday.

On Friday, chief minister N Kiran Kumar Reddy stated in the assembly that all the statues that were vandalised would be replaced by new ones of the same personalities. To this, TRS and CPI members said that in that exercise, a few eminent personalities from the Telangana region too should be added in order to, what they called, correct a regional imbalance.

In fact, the Telangana people say that the presence of only 6 statues of the 33 on Tank Bund road is a negation of the contribution of a particular region to the cultural heritage of the Telugus. Former chief minister N T Rama Rao had about 25 years ago installed 33 statues of eminent persons who contributed to Telugu culture and civilisation on the Tank Bund road.

The Telangana advocates say that the issue is not as to how many statues from the T region should be installed on Tank Bund, but the recognition of the contribution of the people from this region to Telugu culture. "In fact, our people never demanded a particular number of statues. What they want is recognition of the scholarship and sacrifices of the Telangana heroes," T-JAC chairman M Kodandaram said.

According to T ideologue K Jaisankar, the issue is not new and sudden. "When the statues were being erected on Tank Bund in 1986, T people raised the issue and questioned as to why equally eminent and comparable icons from the Telangana region were not considered. This rattled the NTR regime so much that for weeks, it posted armed guards to protect the statues," he said.

Listing the eminent people from the T region who deserved recognition, Jaisankar said: "Can anybody forget Komaram Bheem when you talk of the statue of Alluri Sitarama Raju. Like Sitarama Raju, Komaram Bheem also fought against the British and was martyred. Similarly, when you talk of KC Reddy, former vice-chancellor of Andhra University, automatically, the name of Ali Yavar Jung of Osmania University should come before you. Likewise, when you remember Matnuri Krishna Rao as a noted journalist, you should also recall the sacrifice of Shoebullah Khan, who fought with his pen against the Nizam," Jaisankar said.

Quoting more eminent T figures, Jaisankar said why were renowned literary critic Mallinatha Suri and well acclaimed Shaivite poet Palkuriki Somanna not considered worthy of remembrance. " Benaras Hindu University created a chair after Mallinatha Suri, who hailed from Medak district. Palkuriki was among the first to write in pure Telugu in the 12th century. When you talk of Kavitrayam, you have to invariably talk of Palkuriki, who hailed from Warangal district," he said.

Coming to the modern era, Kodandaram said many people from the T region led the anti-Nizam armed movement that gave political identity to the people. "The first martyr of the movement was Doddi Komaraiah. Next to be remembered is Chakali Yellamma. From the cultural literary field, Vattikota Alwarswamy cannot be ignored," the T-JAC convenor said.

According to Kodandaram, Dasarathi Rangacharya and Kaloji Narayana Rao are two eminent literary people of the modern Telangana movement who deserved the honour of being immortalised with statues. "While Sri Sri undoubtedly is a doyen of progressive literature, the comparable personality from Telangana is Dasarathi. Similarly, Prajakavi Kaloji was an inspiration to the T-movement and deserved recognition," he said.

Congress MLC A R Amos said it is the lack of appreciation of the cultural contribution of the T people that has the region seething in anger. According to Amos, on the walls of the committee halls of the state assembly, the portraits of Telangana statesmen are conspicuous by their absence.

The Bronze Poet in the million march“Tankbund loo shavaalu maavi,vigrahaalu miivi” said one Telangana poet long back. I felt it more than ever before when I went to Million March to connect myself with the many spirited individuals who are struggling for justice. I saw every woman activist from Telangana walking with self esteem. Spontaneous slogans were echoing like rhythmic drum beat. I started giving slogans along with my friends in full voice. I joined with people who were marching from this end to that end of the Tank Bond with great confidence. Their cheering smiles were glowing like green blades of grass. I melted in their collective gaze for a better society. I sang in a roaring tone. I anticipated this day of collective action. I was intoxicated with the beautiful spirit of my friends. Suddenly, empty bottles and cutting-edged rocks were hitting like hail at the iron block that was molded into a human shape. I shot through the frenzied crowd to the bronze poet. People were shouting, screaming ‘hey-ammaa, go away, go away……stones…stones”. I struggled to grab the rod from his hands. He asked me ‘who are you to stop me?” I said ‘I am your sister, don’t you recognize me!? I am with you all these years, didn’t I?”As he continued his work, he said from under the mask, “I don’t know you, how can you call me your brother…. you did not come to rescue me when they were stumping me? When they were crushing my expression…Tell me sister… am I not worth enough of this Iron block which you try to rescue??”…..I was startled by his question. I looked up into the frozen iron face of my beloved poet. His eyes were static. His gaze was at the sinking sun behind Buddha. I wanted the bronze poet to say to me that he needs me, I wanted him to say ‘protect me my reader’. But he was quite and peaceful as if he liked being hit. I remembered his words “die…..you worthless beings of rotten bones…..” I saw the iron face that started glowing in patches. The crashing sound of the rod reminded me of the stone crushing sound near our village mango grove, next to the forest. How much I cried when I saw our village rock hill was blasted! How much it pained me to see our forest being destroyed! How cruel was the sound of those giant machines that deafened my ears! When I cried out for my hills, birds, trees, lakes, land, my people…….no one listens to me…..how much destruction……….

But sister……I listened to you” said the man in the mask, as if he is reading my thoughts. “What did you say?” I said surprisingly. “I said I listened you, that is why I am here”…….But…I struggled to say something. ”but you don’t like what I am doing” he said coolly as he broke the bronze statue hand with the book. “Yes…..I don’t like this, I insist you… stop this”….I said with fury. ”why?” he asked without turning his eyes…. ”because……he is our pride”…. “To see in death a dream, in the sunset A golden sadness-such is the poetry, Humble and immortal, poetry, Returning like dawn and the sunset”.............Don’t you know sister; there are some great personalities in each generation in every place who lived their lives up to their values! They are not just ornamental symbols of pride. Don’t you know this poet whom you respect so much does not want give up his self respect until his last breath? Don’t you know he would not agree to kill his true spirit in the name of “pride”…..” he is our dear poet” I corrected. “So?”…. ”I don’t want to see him dying”…Man in the mask laughed “My dear sister….I wish the same…don’t you see….that is what I am doing”…….”what……dismantling him!?”“no ….I am liberating this poet from his frozen moment……I am doing what he wanted, he wants to join us…” he said as he pluck out the pen out of his hand and threw it to the crying crowd ”be brave…..Return to life …oh poet”… Like the hand cuffs released from his hands, poet started moving & rolled down with a thud. Man in the mask turned to me and insisted,“sister…..take this rod……..liberate the poets……they are helpless….they want to get back their souls out from these fake prides ….I know you are worried that this act might damage our peaceful movement, but sister to stop the destruction we need to create new things… rewrite the history, sister’……An ambulance rushed in with an alarming sound and went away with the same speed. A mother in her rush who stepped on an empty pesticide bottle fell down and with a fury picked the bottle and threw it at the Bronze poet. The bronze poet on the Tank bund road started moving and joined in the million march with the people.

Quote:"Is it a rule that just because you are a Telanganite, you HAVE TO support whatever is done in the name of agitation."Before asking this, you should question yourself that why Anti-T vadis always talk against what ever the T-vadis do? When was the last time the Anti T-vadis said that pro T-vadis doing great and should continue like that?

Quote:".Most Seemandhra people really do not want to stay together with Telangana any longer. "

Well if that is really ture, then you definitely have two tongues or two brains. Because who world hear only one SA voice that says they want to stay together with Telangana.

Quote:"The movement has lost some sympathy as a result."Whos sympathy? Seeemandra@ imaginary sympathy? We dont need it anyway.

Quote:"All right thinking people will now work together to ensure that Hyderabad will have its separate status or more safeguards to prevent these goons from misbehaving again."

Yawn... you keep saying this from months, when do you want to put a show to prove?

Quote:"In the end, Seemandhra folks will have their cake and eat it too."

Dont say that cake is Karnool as your new capital, running your govt in tents when Pigs are freely roaming around and eating your files, bringing back the past Andhra glory into reality?

Quote:"Most of the internet warriors for Telangana seem to be"

We have all kinds of warriors starting from foot soldiers to internet soldiers. What do you got?You keep complain about how T-vadis are kicking your buts, but cant do anything to stop it. I am pity about your warriors.

Quote:"The political immaturity was very much evident from talk of their leaders. Leaders from all political parties including TRS(wondering!) failed to think independent and act independent.Many of them are educated but did not 'learn' how to participate and utilize democracy."

Here we go... another internet warrior aka self declared champion of democracy who wants to give a free lecture about how to utilize democracy.

What next? Do I have to start another agitation to demand all our leaders in India to take mandatory lecture from SLB?

Quote:"Now he (and likes of Lavanya) even stopped thinking about rest of the world. Under the 'victimhood' worn by them, they see only two things SAs are villains and all done under T movement is fair."

Oops... so you declare yourself that you and your SA clan care about the world, so when you cried like hell for the demolition of the statues, what were you doing when bunch of guys burned the national flag and a book of our constitution? I am sure no one from SA even bothered about this, because this was done by non T-vadis. kudos my friend.

News Title: 75 law college students booked for burning TricolourSource: http://www.rediff.com/news/report/seventy-five-law-college-students-booked-for-burning-tricolour/20110312.htm

Greenstar,Whenever the TG activists do something horrible like the attack on JP Narayan in assembly or destroying statues they come back with one statement to cover their acts: "600 people have sacrificed their lives for Telangana". "

I dont have to cover it, actually you should realize the deaths on TG side before blaming for any act from TG which you dont like it.

Quote:"Tomorrow they can rape a seemandhra woman walking on the road and if someone asks them why they did it they will say "600 people have given their lives. We should talk about that. Is raping one woman such a big deal?""

You really lost your mind in the frustration. Didnt you heard you can not compare apples and oranges?

Quote:"First of all you need to understand that neither the police nor the SA people killed these 600 people. Most of them committed suicides and no one wants people to commit suicides."

The same way many farmers are committing suicides, the same logic neither the police nor the SA or TG people killed them. Most of them committed suicides and no one wants people to commit suicides. So, I wonder why such suicides of farmers makes big news?

Because you need to understand what forced them to commit suicide. And finally what ever the reasons, the rest of the world shows sympathy on any of the suicide souls, but looks like I am wrong, you guys always make fun of them.

Quote:"So if someone climbs up a building or a cell phone tower and says give us separate state right now or I will jump off."

For your information to your ignorance, no one I know demanded separate state by threatening that they will commit suicide. We only know them after they commit suicide.

Quote:"A boy proposes a girl. Girl rejects, the boy commits suicide. On one hand you feel really bad for the boy. But on the other hand, do you say the girl killed the boy? Is she really responsible for his death? Shouldn't the boy have the courage to face the problems in life and deal with them bravely?"Your example itself is wrong, the correct example here is, the girl want to get separated and get her own life because he is not treating her bad. Boy rejects the proposal and says బొమ్మాలి నిన్నోదల ...... the girl is helpless and commits suicide. Now tell me whom to blame? What will be your reaction if you see this in your real life?

Quote:"So next time try to convince people not to take such extreme steps."That is the very very bad part of you. You keep think about us that we really encourage people to commit suicide. How do we know who are planning for suicide? Why dont you take that job(if you know a way of recognizing them) and save Telangana, you openly say you love Telangnaa and wants to stay together, so there is nothing wrong taking such job?

Quote:"it is like divorce.You cant do what ever you want one sided only."

You are true, at the same time you really dont want to live together with a life partner who doesnt want to stay with you. If you ignore this reality, well.... you make yourself your life as hell before even dying.

Quote:"Anyway Andhras and UT Nuts lost on streets of Hyderabad, the only place left for them to make their delusional rants is Blogosphere.

So telangana people the best u can do is to ignore these fools on the blog, they will be ready to rant about anything,these guys are ready to eat your vomit if u throw up on the bloge, they best u can do is to ignore these fools."

In his opening statement he says there won't be a single person in the state who hasn't shed a tear or felt pain the heart (or something like that) for what happened on Tank Bund.

Clearly, he does not count 4 Crores Telanganas in his state. Because if he did, he would know that many Telanganas are quite happy for what happened on Tank Bund."

Yes, lot of people in Telangana are disappointed to see that statues of devotional poets like Annamayya, who does NOT represent Andhras, broken. What is ur 'wisdom' which attributes cultural icons to 'regions' and supports destroying their statues? Who said Annamayya belongs to Andhra? You want to draw parallel between Lenin in Russia and Annamayya in Telangana? U must be sick in ur mind!!

JP mentioned poetry of 'one world' to convey the message that civilized societies need to move towards breaking artificial barriers. If u don't want to look at the context and just blabber, it is clear what kind of 'civil' society u want to have in Telangana.

JP is more practical than u think. His prescriptions in Anti-corruption bill are the highlights of Jan Lokpal Bill that the whole country is pushing for, including Loksatta. UPA and successive governments are/will increasingly allocating more funds for local governments and their empowerment. U can call others idiot but that does not make wiser.

Is this the best u can do, not answer but delete inconvenient questions. U were supposed to be 'democrat'."JP is an idiot.

In his opening statement he says there won't be a single person in the state who hasn't shed a tear or felt pain the heart (or something like that) for what happened on Tank Bund.

Clearly, he does not count 4 Crores Telanganas in his state. Because if he did, he would know that many Telanganas are quite happy for what happened on Tank Bund."

Yes, lot of people in Telangana are disappointed to see that statues of devotional poets like Annamayya, who does NOT represent Andhras, broken. What is ur 'wisdom' which attributes cultural icons to 'regions' and supports destroying their statues? Who said Annamayya belongs to Andhra? You want to draw parallel between Lenin in Russia and Annamayya in Telangana? U must be sick in ur mind!!

JP mentioned poetry of 'one world' to convey the message that civilized societies need to move towards breaking artificial barriers. If u don't want to look at the context and just blabber, it is clear what kind of 'civil' society u want to have in Telangana.

JP is more practical than u think. His prescriptions in Anti-corruption bill are the highlights of Jan Lokpal Bill that the whole country is pushing for, including Loksatta. UPA and successive governments are/will increasingly allocating more funds for local governments and their empowerment. U can call others idiot but that does not make wiser.

What is ur 'wisdom' which attributes cultural icons to 'regions' and supports destroying their statues?

I was wondering the same thing.Where was wisdom of ppl like you who were comparing to Taliban act of destructing Buddhas of Bamiyan which has so much archeological value when on the other side you have these status on Tankbund which are just 25yrs old ?

Artificial barriers ? Pls ask JP to fight for taking this country back to a stage where we had just 14 states or at least ask him to fight for merging Andhra back to Tamilnadu then I will accept that your statement makes some sense.

Taken it from a source

GO 610 (Andhra employees in Telangana) hasn’t implemented yet even after 25 years while GO 564 (Telangana employees in Andhra) has been successfully implemented within 3 months by Dr. JP (Chief Secretary of AP) . Why is that hypocrisy? Isn’t this an example of organized discrimination?

Wow what an amazing way of fight to get over the artificial barriers isn't it ?

JP is more practical than u think.

Is it ?

The Lok satta party’s Election Campaign Committee members told the media that a separate State could always be carved out if the people wished it, by following the procedure prescribed in the Constitution.

They say that they are decentralization of power.Is Telangana not a case for the same ?Why is he against it then ?Is this called being pragmatic or being hypocritic ?

The funniest part in the video for me was when he used the word "MAANAVATVAM" ...A person who was not moved by the suicides of so many young people is deeply hurt when lifeless statues were demolished and he is speaking about "MAANAVATVAM" .... LMAO ...

Quote:"I am sure your brother also loved your parents. Why did you not harm them to show that you are angry on him?"

The way how you are asking is .... besides to statues Seemandraites also love there properties in HYD, why did you not destroyed them too?

My wise friend you did not understand my point, I dont hate that bat, even I too played with it many times. I didnt choose that bat for some reason, there are many things which my brother likes in my home, bat was reachable to me at that time, so I broke it. If I saw his bicycle at that time, I might have taken the air out from tires instead of breaking bat. That action was completely unpredictable, there is no question about why I did that but not other.

Muslim or Hindu we are all Telangana Brothers , On tankbund saw many muslims giving a hand for those Destroying Statues, It is sad that there is only one Musalman statue on Tankbund, Though there were many BJP supporters at Tankbund NO one Dared to Touch the lone Muslim statue.

That is the Power of Telangana Brotherhood , these andhra idiots will never understand it

@Though there were many BJP supporters at Tankbund NO one Dared to Touch the lone Muslim statue

bcos it was a pre planned conspiracy on whos all statues to demolish.let telangana come and then muslims will know why bjp is "so" eager for seperate statehood.and talking about brotherhood, there are many muslim dominated areas in andhra.none of them is an isi adda like old city.there are many muslim girls in seemandhra districts.none of them married a pakistani like ur sania mirza.there were no lumbini park, gokul chat, sai baba temple, like bomb blasts in seemandhra districts."hindu"pur town in anantapour district has a muslim MLA.vijayawada, 2nd biggest city in seemandhra districts had a muslim mayor.huh, brotherhood

@Tintin:"... other side you have these status on Tankbund which are just 25yrs old ?"

It was not the age thats the issue here.. it is the people whose statues have been destroyed. They died before the state was formed and do not belong to ANY region. Their songs, hymns etc are sung by everyone. When YSR statues and other structures like Shamshabad airport, that are explicit symbols 'imposed' by seemandhra leaders, continue to exist, what is the rationale for destruction of these icons that belong to South India? As far as I remember, I have never seen Komaram statue in Karimnagar, Nalgonda or Suryapet. Is that the respect you give to your heroes?

GO610 and GO564: u have to remember Chief secretary serves the CM and govt, not on his own. If govt feels JP didn't follow their orders, they will ask him to leave but he cannot do anything on his own.

Loksatta has said before, during and after elections that the people demands for new state should be realized through constitutional means, not on streets through Bandhs, attacks etc. Whats ur point?

"They say that they are decentralization of power.Is Telangana not a case for the same ?Why is he against it then ?Is this called being pragmatic or being hypocritic ?"

Decentralization does not mean creating more states. It means empowering local govts at district & city level. They are referred to as third tiers of govt that are closer to people. Thats why Loksatta does not support ANY state demand, in accordance with the party principles and party constitution.

"Manavatwam"If u read news clippings or videos, Loksatta has always said politicians are exploiting the sentiments to drive people to commit suicides rather than leading. He attacked Conrgess in assembly and outside that they are avoiding debate and decision on a hot issue like this.

It was not the age thats the issue here.. it is the people whose statues have been destroyed. They died before the state was formed and do not belong to ANY region.

First thing i need you to observe is that demolition of statues was just a symbol of frustration.You say that they don't belong to any region but its NTR who showed the regionalism by installing the statues of only those from Andhra side when there are the equivalent figures in Telangana also.Thats what the Telangana literary experts are trying to say and no one wants to see their point.

Secondly,the regionalism is very obvious when govt has already sanctioned 75 lakhs to re-install the same statue.The same govt gave permission to build Komaram Bheem's statue 1 year back yet no step is taken to build that statue.how long does it take to build a statue ?The demolition of statues in a sign of protest against this biased nature of govt.

I have never seen Komaram statue in Karimnagar, Nalgonda or Suryapet. Is that the respect you give to your heroes?

i have not seen any of those demolished statues in Guntur or Vijayawada.Now how sensible does it sound if i say that you also have no respect for these ppl.

@Tintin:"NTR who showed the regionalism by installing the statues of only those from Andhra side "

Do you mean Sri Krishnadevaraya and Annamayya and other poets are 'Andhra' people? The era in which they existed and what they did have remote semblance to Andhra region or any region. As far as I know, Annamayya keerthanalu are not 'Andhra'.

"i have not seen any of those demolished statues in Guntur or Vijayawada."There are several statues of those leaders in Andhra including Telangana communist leader Sundarayya. That does not matter. All I am saying is... does it not sound surprising that there are no Telangana statues in T region and TRS or T-JAC does not care about it?

GO610 and GO564: u have to remember Chief secretary serves the CM and govt, not on his own. If govt feels JP didn't follow their orders, they will ask him to leave but he cannot do anything on his own.

Aravind,as you already know GO means Government order.So,if JP implements 610 GO how is he going to act against the wishes of govt.I remember he told in his interview that he was made chief sec of AP by NTR only and it was NTR who passed 610 GO.So,in what way JP is going to act against the wishes of NTR by implementing 610 GO just like the way he implemented 564 GO ?

Loksatta has said before, during and after elections that the people demands for new state should be realized through constitutional means, not on streets through Bandhs, attacks etc. Whats ur point?

Yes.Telangana ppl fought and got the congress to announce the demerger on Dec 9th,2009.Even after all the fuss that is created by SA side and the appointment of SKC, ppl took this 1 year time to enlighten the ppl in Telangana and didn't try to create any violent disturbance in the region.Are they not peaceful ways ?

It is govt and police who are over doing their jobs by not letting ppl to exercise their Human Rights.the proof for my argument is the HRC has sent notices to govt and police.They forgot that they are human beings acting ruthlessly.

Govt said that it didn't give permission for million march because it would create trouble for traffic.Is this a sensible reason ?Any group in this country has the right to go on a protestation peacefully.Is it constitutional to not let ppl exercise their constitutional rights ?

Decentralization does not mean creating more states. It means empowering local govts at district & city level. They are referred to as third tiers of govt that are closer to people. Thats why Loksatta does not support ANY state demand, in accordance with the party principles and party constitution.

JP himself is one among those who showed regional discrimination.Secondly,why did SA govt dissolve TRC that was created to supervise the Gentlemen's Agreement ? Is that not a discrimination ?After breaking promise for somany times who will trust SA govt ?I have seen the live program where JP accepted that all the promises were broken.So,is it not legititimate for ppl to make sure their rights are upheld by asking for separate state?Asking for a separate state is constitutional.There is nothing unconstitutional about it.

So,according loksatta's logic,all the conditions are satisfied.They said separate state can be formed through constitutional procedures if ppl of that region want it.Then why do they not count T which satisfies all their conditions ?

If u read news clippings or videos, Loksatta has always said politicians are exploiting the sentiments to drive people to commit suicides rather than leading. He attacked Conrgess in assembly and outside that they are avoiding debate and decision on a hot issue like this.

FYI he attacked the congress party for the first time the next day he got smacked.So,unless he is treated that way he will not remember his basic duty of pointing at the foolishness of ruling party.what was he doing for 1 year when students were committing suicides ?It is ok if he is against T,but he says "Mana pillalni maname champukuntunnam"If he really meant that ,then why didn't he make any effort to pressurize govt to take some decision when he had all the time in the world to go to Delhi and tell PM not to give T.

If you are really bothered about statues and calling T ppl names, then what should Telangana ppl call SA govt which demolished Hussain Sagar thermal project and built iMax and NTR garden ?

Those statues can be rebuilt as they have no archeological values because of their age.Hussain Sagar thermal project which was built in 1910, oct 21st was the first power plant in south India.By 1915 it gave power to Hyderabad and Secundrabad.By 1920 it gave power to entire Telangana.Even Times magazine praised it for its achievement in 1930 when Madras percidency was still in the process of coming up with one power plant.Is that ethical ?

Do you mean Sri Krishnadevaraya and Annamayya and other poets are 'Andhra' people? The era in which they existed and what they did have remote semblance to Andhra region or any region. As far as I know, Annamayya keerthanalu are not 'Andhra'.

When the statues were being erected on Tank Bund in 1986, T people raised the issue and questioned as to why equally eminent and comparable icons from the Telangana region were not considered. This rattled the NTR regime so much that for weeks, it posted armed guards to protect the statues.

Doesn't this mean that NTR is highly biased ?Is he not imposing it on T ppl ?If he really wanted to respect those ppl why did he not build such statues in Vizag or Vijayawada kind of places instead of Hyd after such a hue and cry from T ppl ? Was he not pertinaciously stubborn ?

When he came up with Shri Shri ,Gurram Jashuwa and Gurajada apparao from Andhra side,why did he not comeup with Dashrathi,Kaloji,palkurki Somanna kind of ppl from T side?Whats wrong if SA ppl not are given the dose of their own medicine ?

@Tintin:"if JP implements 610 GO how is he going to act against the wishes of govt"

U have to remember this.. he is a govt's secretary. Govt has to tell him. He cannot just pick it up as GO has been issued. If govt thinks, he didn't do the job, they can fire him but it is govt responsibility to see that it is enforced. He is a mere bureaucrat following orders from top.

"Are they not peaceful ways ?"

U call bandhs, hunger strikes, attacks of movie sets, politicians etc peaceful? How and why was Chidambaram forced to make the statement on dec 9, without discussion in assembly and parliament? Ambedkar referred to bandhs, street protests, blackmail by hunger strikes as grammar of anarchy.

"JP himself is one among those who showed regional discrimination."U have to prove it. He fought for issues without regional bias.

"is it not legititimate for ppl to make sure their rights are upheld by asking for separate state?"

It is legitimate to 'ask' for separate state but it is not legitimate to use bandhs, blackmail and lies to achieve it. U have freedom and rights to demand it but the means are as important as ends.

"Then why do they not count T which satisfies all their conditions ?"

I have told u before. Loksatta does not support something just because there is a demand. U are mixing up means and ends. The party believes underdevelopment and lack of opportunities is the real problem and the solution is decentralized governance where third tier i.e. district govts r empowered. With the current set up, no matter how many states u create, people will not get resources n opportunities unless governance reaches local level. In spite of it, Loksatta supports the view that people can get demands like separate state fulfilled in legislature, unlike on streets with unconstitutional means.

@Tintin:"FYI he attacked the congress party for the first time the next day he got smacked.So,unless he is treated that way he will not remember his basic duty of pointing at the foolishness of ruling party."

JP's video after Chidambaram statement and drama by TDP/Cong on 10th Dec 2009:

http://www.youtube.com/user/LokSattaParty#p/u/124/8wHVxIw0UPw

He attacked TDP, Cong from double standards, playing bluff with people and state. U watch it and say if he said anything wrong. Do u have any proof that he opposed T when he went to delhi? What is the basis for this claim?

600 People Died for telangana.This is not a confirmed or official number.How TRS come up with this number no body knows.It is sad even one person died because of this sense less movement.Hope KCR,KTR,Kavitha,Gaddar,Harish Rao comitts suicide.If they start comitting suicide Telangana will definitely come.If all the trs leaders children start comitting suicide the telangana movement will stop.TRS want other people's children to die and committ suicide.It wants to cash suicide deaths politically.KCR is a Loafer and a begger holding telangana pot asking for power.He sold TRS tickets for money in the last election.Dont trust KCR or trs who are foxes and who want to eat telangana people alive.Be well enjoy your life.dont hate other people and andhras.Andhra people never hated telangana people.Dont comitt suicide.Take care of your self and your family like KCR is doing.

When he came up with Shri Shri ,Gurram Jashuwa and Gurajada apparao from Andhra side

You idiot they are not selected based on andhra side or telangana side, they are icons of Telugu literature the language that you and we both speak, if the selection is regional why would he choose Srikrishna devarayulu and tyagaraju?

and you seems to be low opinion on NTR, but please realize keeping your regional ego aside for a while that NTR is the only person who voiced the telugu pride in National level all others including you and me are assholes who have no respect for their mother tongue.

Recently think one month ago Our Andhra sodharulu Put Up 24 statues of famous Telugu personalities on the Beach road at Vizag. They even putup one Andhra guy's statue whose only Claim to the fame was that he was a Strongman who according to Andhras did a feat of stopping a train with a single hand Much like Bala kitty.

But Our Great Andhra Kala pipasulu "Accidentally" forgot to Putup the statue of even a Single Telangana person.

Incidentally there are Thousands of Andhra statues in Telangana, we got a lot of Fair Targets, lets start our work , we will keep destroying Andhra statues until their Number matches that of telangana statues in Andhra(viva equality), expecting it to be less than a dozen, So let JAC declare a Statue Demolition week and we are ready to work overtime.

There are a few more Andhra statues on Tankbund. Clean them up first and then the Telugu talli statues in Telangana. We should reserve a special treatment to that goddamn YSR's statues all over. Don't mind Jagan's secret deal with KCR. We should go ahead and destroy each and every statue that has even a remote semblance of connection to those morons called Andhras.

Don't name the Telanganas after Venkateswara,Srisaila Malikarjuna Swami both Rayalaseema gods. Sujai please start a campaign and write a blog asking Seenus,Malliahs ,Srinivases to change their names. That is nothing but imposition of culture on Telangana.How can you tolerate it?

You Bastard varun,How dare you call a non violent person a pig.Do you eat food or scat???What wrong did he do to you???how barbaric are you dirty bastard and you kiss your mom with that mouth that called a great freedom fighter and a gandhian who died for the welfare of millions of telugu people.

Bloody bastard,first stop talking telugu in your home and then dare to call bad names to potti sri ramulu.

Sujai,There are many more things that belong to Andhra people.Already our JAC did a great job of ruining andhra hotels and andhra people's statues,its imperative on your part now to abolish andhra tiffins like dosa,idili.Every T-person should eat only ragi sangati and jonna rottelu.They should not use bathrooms and laterines but shit on roads.

No telanganite must worship any other non telangana god.No sankranthi,no ugadi.We must celebrate only diwali and holi.No sannai only baka and buura for marriages.No lungi,only cheddi and langota.

@tintin and tg,u said there are no statues of telanganaites in semandhra districts.there are statues of Gandhi and Ambedkar in every town of telangana but no statue of telangana leaders in gujarath or maharashtra.so will u people demolish Gandhi and ambedkars statues also?

U have to remember this.. he is a govt's secretary. Govt has to tell him. He cannot just pick it up as GO has been issued. If govt thinks, he didn't do the job, they can fire him but it is govt responsibility to see that it is enforced.

Then why else do you think is it called GO Government Order ?Why do you think will CM fire him for acting biased by implementing 564 GO and not 610 GO ?Thats what CM wants exactly and it happened.

U call bandhs, hunger strikes

Bandhs and Hunger strikes are not peaceful according to you ?And you are in a country where a person who is hailed for his peaceful methods went of hunger strike every so often.

Regarding attacks they only attacked who spoke against T like Mohanbabu's sons setting,Stopped Adurs movie because the producer supported United AP with Lagadapti.

If they wanted to give you a taste of the violence they would have attacked the settlers first but till date they didn't attack any person.Many students committed suicide because of their frustration but didn't vent it on any settler.Can't you see that ?

How and why was Chidambaram forced to make the statement on dec 9, without discussion in assembly and parliament?

Well then let me ask you the same question.Why did Central govt retract after the declaration of the formation of T state ? Is it not because of violence ( in your language) in Seema and Andhra ?And you guys are calling it foul when T demolished statues.

Loksatta supports the view that people can get demands like separate state fulfilled in legislature

Aravind you must know what Article 3 says.Assembly can only give its views but has no power to decide.When Rosaiah introduced this topic in Assembly leader of opposition Chandrababu Naidu said that they will support it if bill is introduced.Even congress ppl said the same.Because majority of ppl said they will support Telangana cause,CM Rosaiah conveyed the same to the HM Chidambaram.Poor guys they thought Telangana will not come and so they said they will support T cause.But the announcement came as shock to them and suddenly everyone took U turn.What was JP doing in the assembly then ?Sleeping ?

Whatever i said are on records.You can watch videos as a proof of what i said.

Secondly,Please read Article 3 first.Whether the state approves the issue or not,the bill can be introduced in the Parliament.Once the bill is passed no one including Supreme court can do something about it.Please remind JP that state formation is central subject and not state subject.So,there is no need of introduction of bill in state assembly.So,JP's above statement is not valid.How is announcement in the night going to change anything ? Is it ok if the announcement came in the day time ?

Do u have any proof that he opposed T when he went to delhi? What is the basis for this claim?

Look here JP went to Delhi to meet PM and tell him that the way things went is not good.

Loksatta supports the view that people can get demands like separate state fulfilled in legislature

Aravind you must know what Article 3 says.Assembly can only give its views but has no power to decide.When Rosaiah introduced this topic in Assembly leader of opposition Chandrababu Naidu said that they will support it if bill is introduced.Even congress ppl said the same.Because majority of ppl said they will support Telangana cause,CM Rosaiah conveyed the same to the HM Chidambaram.Poor guys they thought Telangana will not come and so they said they will support T cause.But the announcement came as shock to them and suddenly everyone took U turn.Whatever i said are on records.You can watch video of CBN telling that they will support the T cause if congress introduced the bill.So,What was JP doing in the assembly then ?Sleeping ?

Secondly,Please read Article 3 first.Whether the state approves the issue or not,the bill can be introduced in the Parliament.Once the bill is passed no one including Supreme court can do something about it.Please remind JP that state formation is central subject and not state subject.So,there is no need of introduction of bill in state assembly.So,JP's above statement is not valid.How is announcement in the night going to change anything ? Is it ok if the announcement came in the day time ?

Do u have any proof that he opposed T when he went to delhi? What is the basis for this claim?

Look here JP went to Delhi to meet PM and tell him that the way things went is not good.

It is legitimate to 'ask' for separate state but it is not legitimate to use bandhs, blackmail and lies to achieve it. U have freedom and rights to demand it but the means are as important as ends.

Ppl asked it for past 54 yrs and no one responded.At the same time no one even tried to improve the irrigation in Telangana also though the issue is raised time and again.Of the 34 districts in India which face acute farm distress, nine are in Telangana.

Did it yield any results ? Even after Jan 1st ,2010 when Congress retracted on its promise and launched SKC, ppl cooperated though they didn't want it to happen.Did that yield results at least ?You tell me if you were to lead this revolution what are the options you would have tried ?

If you want to know violence you should have seen police firing in OU, the way they lathi charged ppl during Rach banda when they sat on roads in a peaceful ways and when ladies were dragged held by hair.

BTW, just because Ambedkar said or you feel so, bandhs and hunger strikes don't become violent.They are totally constitutional.Just letting you know this, incase you didn't know it.

I have told u before. Loksatta does not support something just because there is a demand......The party believes underdevelopment and lack of opportunities is the real problem and the solution is decentralized governance where third tier

Am i mixing it up ?JP says decentralization of power has to happen.At the same time he speaks about democratic ways of achieving things.The ppl of entire region are asking for the same thing ' a separate state'.Now tell me where did his democratic values are gone ? Is it not democratic to respect the ppl's wishes ?What is bothering him if T ppl want Telangana ?Is this not hypocrisy ?

And one more thing, he never said specifically that he is for third tier governance and not for smaller states.He said in general that they are fine with decentralization of power.

It is legitimate to 'ask' for separate state but it is not legitimate to use bandhs, blackmail and lies to achieve it. U have freedom and rights to demand it but the means are as important as ends.

Ppl asked it for past 54 yrs and no one responded.At the same time no one even tried to improve the irrigation in Telangana also though the issue is raised time and again.Of the 34 districts in India which face acute farm distress, nine are in Telangana.

Did it yield any results ? Even after Jan 1st ,2010 when Congress retracted on its promise and launched SKC, ppl cooperated though they didn't want it to happen.Did that yield results at least ?You tell me if you were to lead this revolution what are the options you would have tried ?

If you want to know violence you should have seen police firing in OU, the way they lathi charged ppl during Rach banda when they sat on roads in a peaceful ways and when ladies were dragged held by hair.

BTW, just because Ambedkar said or you feel so, bandhs and hunger strikes don't become violent.They are totally constitutional.Just letting you know this, incase you didn't know it.

I have told u before. Loksatta does not support something just because there is a demand......The party believes underdevelopment and lack of opportunities is the real problem and the solution is decentralized governance where third tier

Am i mixing it up ?JP says decentralization of power has to happen.At the same time he speaks about democratic ways of achieving things.The ppl of entire region are asking for the same thing ' a separate state'.Now tell me where did his democratic values are gone ? Is it not democratic to respect the ppl's wishes ?What is bothering him if T ppl want Telangana ?Is this not hypocrisy ?

And one more thing, he never said specifically that he is for third tier governance and not for smaller states.He said in general that they are fine with decentralization of power.

Dashrathi,Kaloji,?Stupid question.Dashrathi,Kaloji were still alive when statues were installed.

Dasarathi died in 1987.Kaloji was only alive.Palkuri Somanatha was long gone in 13th century only.They were just examples.If you want me to get technical and give you the names of those who were dead and deserved a statue then i can give a few.

First of all the person who built the bhagyanagar Quli qutub shah, the Hussain Sagar which was built by Hazrat Hussain Shah Wali, the architect of modern Hyderabad Salarjung, the person who designed the flood protective system for Hyd Vishweshwaraiah.

Koramaram bheem's statue got permission 1 year back when Roasiah was CM only.Still now a single step is taken to construct it.But when the statues of Tankbund are demolished, immediate sanction of 75 lakhs.Wow !!! This shows how much govt loves Telangana ppl.

Where is Turebaz Khan, Moulvi Allaud who were part of sepoy mutiny and Chakali Ilamma who was part of armed struggle?

Though ppl keep telling govt to come up with the statues of those greats ,they don't listen.

You idiot they are not selected based on andhra side or telangana side, they are icons of Telugu literature the language that you and we both speak, if the selection is regional why would he choose Srikrishna devarayulu and tyagaraju?

Morons like you act as if they knew the criteria for the selection.Krishnadevaraya's kingdom included Rayalaseema also.Thats the reason they called it "Rayala"seema.Tyagaraja is from a Telugu family born in Tamilnadu from where SeemaAndhra was carved out.

and you seems to be low opinion on NTR, but please realize keeping your regional ego aside for a while that NTR is the only person who voiced the telugu pride in National level all others including

Voiced Telugu pride? In what way ?It was just his campaign.Was Telangana not a part of AP then?What did he do for Telangana if he was so much worried about Telugu factor.You are worried about language pride and i am worried of ppl's standard of living.

When did i say that my parents are settled in Hyderabad ?Who said i don't know Telugu ?My first language in school was Telugu.My father got his education till PG in telugu medium.My telugu is far better than many of those whose mother tongue is Telugu and can't pronounce telugu properly.

This shows what kind of a foolish guy you are.You just think whatever comes to your mind is true !!!You badly need a psychiatrist.

So tintin,what all you said above,provides a reason to break statues of others????

What happened last week on Thursday was an expression of people’s anguish. No political leaders or cultural troupes were allowed on Tank Bund by the police. As a result there was no one to guide the emotionally surcharged crowd. What happened thereafter was unfortunate and everyone feels sorry for it. At the same time,we are defending their frustrations because of police and govt's provocation.

Now govt released 78 lakhs to re install the statues.This is how govt provokes ppl.Is this necessary now ?Ppl are already challenging that we will demolish it if the same statues are installed without installing the statues of icons from Telangana.Why can't govt shut its mouth for sometime till the issue is resolved ?

Sad that ppl like you only see the provoked and not the one who provokes !!!

You have accepted that you are an a$$ hole.I didn't.You are talking as if i wrote that and later backtracked on what i wrote.

Whatever i said i still stand by it you moron.Can't you see that ?To hell with your Telugu pride.What matters to me is the standard of living of the ppl of my region.

Dumba$$es like you will never understand that everyone has an identity and everyone is proud of ones own identity.There is nothing specific to Telugu language you dumbbell.You are talking like British who also thought like you that English speaking ppl from Great Britain are the most superior race.Thats the reason they come up with Aryan Invasion theory.

I really dont understand which part of the body do you use to think.Telangana ppl themselves told umpteen times that this is not about language but about region.Can't deaf half wits like you understand that ?

Morons like you act as if they knew the criteria for the selection.I acted only after moron like you acted as you know the criteria as if NTR told you personelly!

Krishnadevaraya's kingdom included Rayalaseema also.Thats the reason they called it "Rayala"seema.Tyagaraja is from a Telugu family born in Tamilnadu from where SeemaAndhra was carved out.

what are you trying to convey with above lines? thats what we are saying..though they are not from Andhra their love towards Telugu Basha gave them the honors.

BTW, we are not carved out of Tamilnadu but from Madras presidency.

Voiced Telugu pride? In what way ?

by naming his projects everything after telugu, by installing statues of Telugu poets etc where other leaders fail..

You are worried about language pride and i am worried of ppl's standard of living.

both are differant issues, you can respect language pride while you fighting for ppl's standard of living, you can't juftify your pathetic acts on the name of people..tomorrow same activists may kill 10 andhras would you still justify by saying 600 telanganas died what is so big deal about 10?

Thanks for accepting that you are an asshole.But i am not.

i was referring to my fellow telugus just came to know you are not one of us...and i am not afraid to call my self an asshole as i did nothing when congress govt renamed our bus station from Satavahana prayana praganam to Pandit Nehru Bus station, Telugu Lalitha kalathoranam to Rajiv lalitha kala toranam etc..

I acted only after moron like you acted as you know the criteria as if NTR told you personelly!

When did i confidently say that the criteria is so and so?I only said When he selected some from Andhra and Rayalaseema, he should have selected some from Telangana in the same fields.I didn't mention that he used so and so criteria.

by naming his projects everything after telugu, by installing statues of Telugu poets etc where other leaders fail..

If he really had telugu pride and had no regional feelings,why did he not listen to those who created disturbance in 1986 asking him to install the statues of Telangana heroes ?Why was he ready to go to the extent to safe guard the statues using police but not ready to build the statues of heroes of Telangana ?Is this the Telugu pride you are talking about ?

you can respect language pride while you fighting for ppl's standard of living, you can't juftify your pathetic acts on the name of people..

Human and civic rights come first.Rest all come next including your language pride.

though they are not from Andhra their love towards Telugu Basha gave them the honors.

Did you properly read what i wrote or are you just talking without even reading? I told you how they are related to Telugu.Telugus were spread across Madras presidency.Its just not like for language,they are related to language.

@Tintin:"Then why else do you think is it called GO Government Order ?Why do you think will CM fire him for acting biased by implementing 564 GO and not 610 GO ?Thats what CM wants exactly and it happened."

U have to blame CM for it not the chief sec. He did what his boss told him to do.

"Bandhs and Hunger strikes are not peaceful according to you ?And you are in a country where a person who is hailed for his peaceful methods went of hunger strike every so often."

Yes, they are not as people are forced to close shutters during bandhs, public property is attacked, burnt and people are subjected to inconveniences forcibly. Hunger strikes are blackmailing. If everyone starts doing hunger strikes to achieve their demands, where will there be peace and order in the society? Gandhi and others did them as we did not have legislative means to achieve our demands then. Now, we have a form of govt where we elect our rulers and have power to throw them out if they don't do our job. This is why Ambedkar called them 'grammar of anarchy'.

"Why did Central govt retract after the declaration of the formation of T state ? Is it not because of violence ( in your language) in Seema and Andhra ?And you guys are calling it foul when T demolished statues."It is not because of violence, it is bcoz of mass resignations by seemandhra MLAs MPs. How can UPA govt make statement on dec 9 without discussing the issue in 'legislature'. Legislature includes assembly and parliament.

"Like ???? a few examples pls"

There r numerous videos on youtube on his and the party's views on corruption, agriculture, power problems, hyd free zone, telangana etc. Also, news.loksatta.org

Quote:"When he came up with Shri Shri ,Gurram Jashuwa and Gurajada apparao from Andhra side,why did he not comeup with Dashrathi,Kaloji,palkurki Somanna kind of ppl from T side?Whats wrong if SA ppl not are given the dose of their own medicine ?"

I know why, because SA people dont know and never tried to know about Dasharathi, Kaloji, Palkurki, Somanna.

I said:Loksatta supports the view that people can get demands like separate state fulfilled in legislature

U replied:"Aravind you must know what Article 3 says.Assembly can only give its views but has no power to decide.Secondly,Please read Article 3 first."

Dude... Legislature means body where laws are made and it includes Assembly and parliament. No one is disputing Article 3. What loksatta said is the issue shud be decided in legislatures, not on streets and hunger strikes.

I hope u read what JP said in the above link u sent, abt his meeting with leaders in Delhi and on Telangana. He did not oppose Telangana. He merely said govt shud not have succumbed to blackmail and violence during hunger strike. He appealed for consultations among stakeholders to address grievances.

@Tintin:"You tell me if you were to lead this revolution what are the options you would have tried ?"

I wud have made sure I will vote TRS, if I wanted T state. If all T constituencies send 70+ TRS MLAs, govt will be controlled by TRS and also at Center in a coalition. Then, TRS MLAs and MPs will support govt only if their demand is fulfilled. At least, it will force parties and leaders on both sides to discuss and arrive at solution using democratic means.

"just because Ambedkar said or you feel so, bandhs and hunger strikes don't become violent.They are totally constitutional.Just letting you know this, incase you didn't know it."

This is funny as Ambedkar knows more than us what Constitutional is. U can refer to his speech on Grammar of anarchy in Parliament.

Quote:"KCR is a Loafer and a begger holding telangana pot asking for power.He sold TRS tickets for money in the last election.Dont trust KCR or trs who are foxes and who want to eat telangana people alive."

That is no secret to any one in TG. You think we dance to his songs, but we make sure he dances for our songs.

"What is bothering him if T ppl want Telangana ?Is this not hypocrisy ?"

Watch this video of what he told in Tirupathi:http://www.loksattavideos.com/2010/12/drjp-on-telangana.html

"JP says decentralization of power has to happen.At the same time he speaks about democratic ways of achieving things.The ppl of entire region are asking for the same thing ' a separate state'.Now tell me where did his democratic values are gone ? "

JP and Loksatta have always mentioned that true decetralization is the solution. I have explained it before. Creating another state is not decentralization. CM will still have more powers. Read this:

http://bit.ly/huTYvc

That does not mean they oppose what people want. But the decisions have to be made in legislature (Assembly or parl) not on streets by blackmailing and vandalism. Here is more:

http://bit.ly/8i0nxe

The party or its leaders never deviated from this stand before, during or after elections.

Quote:"u said there are no statues of telanganaites in semandhra districts.there are statues of Gandhi and Ambedkar in every town of telangana but no statue of telangana leaders in gujarath or maharashtra.so will u people demolish Gandhi and ambedkars statues also?"

We love to have the statues which ever we like, more than that Gandhi, ambedkars are national heros but not the local or regional. And govt didnt impose Gandhi statue on us like how it was happened on Tank bund.

Tank bund statues are local icons, when you are installing local hero statues, you should not give preference to your sub-regional heros. If the Gandhi, Ambedkar statues are on Tankbund, I am sure no one would have touched it.

By the way can some one answer me where did your Telugu pride was hiding when PVN die, and state/central govt didnt gave enough respect to that great man? Why didnt you guys shouted about telugu pride that day?

Install the statues of Chakali Ilamma,Komaram Bheem,you'll face the wrath of old city denizens. You cannot have any of the statues of Telangana heros who fought against the Nizam and live in Hyderabad. I request the Telanganas to put the statues of the Telangana heros and I'm really curious how the MIM and KCR would react.

..... finally even though you hate telangana so much, you are coward to accept it publicly, you keep say you love telangana so much because we both speak same language ready to lick our TG people's feet but dont go away.

Dude... Legislature means body where laws are made and it includes Assembly and parliament. No one is disputing Article 3. What loksatta said is the issue shud be decided in legislatures, not on streets and hunger strikes.

Aravind, i know what legislature means.JP wants the discussion to happen in assembly first.My question was what was he doing when the discussion happened ?Is it not after the discussion in the assembly Rosaiah sent the message to central govt ?? Why did he not raise his voice then ?

Secondly,if this is what he wants,then why is he not challenging the congress party to introduce the bill in parliament ? Everyone knows what happens if the bill is introduced in Parliament.Why didn't he ask PM in the same way to introduce the bill and take the steps in the constitutional ways ?HAd he done that i would have liked him like i liked him before T agitations started.He opens his mouth when statues are destroyed but not when student die.He says "Where is Telangana agitation ? How can you call a small disturbance in a university as agitation ?" Is this not his arrogance ?

Proof:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdiL6yXqwU

When Telangana loksatta party ppl condemned his statement,he asked them to leave the party if they want to.This is his arrogance.He is not different from normal politicians.He just an an additional qualification IAS and nothing more than that.

The people who spoke were not biased.They praise him for his knowledge but they say he is a changed person now.So,pls don't tell me that those who spoke on phone are biased.

Dude... Legislature means body where laws are made and it includes Assembly and parliament. No one is disputing Article 3. What loksatta said is the issue shud be decided in legislatures, not on streets and hunger strikes.

Aravind, i know what legislature means.JP wants the discussion to happen in assembly first.My question was what was he doing when the discussion happened ?Is it not after the discussion in the assembly Rosaiah sent the message to central govt ?? Why did he not raise his voice then ?

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