A weird concatenation of events – the Ft.
Hood shoot-up, the decision
by the Obama administration to try Khalid
Sheikh Mohammed and four other 9/11 plotters, and the seizure
of a mosque and other properties said to be owned by a front for the Iranian
government – has once again brought the question of domestic terrorism to center
stage. This underscores a remarkable fact: that the 9/11 attacks, even more
than the Japanese strike at Pearl Harbor, have influenced, even dominated,
our domestic politics as well as our foreign policy. We are still standing in
the long shadow of that event, and nothing, it seems, can haul us out of the
dark and back up into the light.

The upcoming trial in New York of KSM and his confreres promises
to be a media circus unparalleled in the history of this nation: think of the
Lindbergh kidnapping
case and the O. J.
Simpson trial, and then imagine if Lee
Harvey Oswald had lived to be tried – and then multiply that by 10. This
promises to be more than a show trial; it is going to be high drama in the courtroom,
not a stylized Kabuki theater ritual, in which control
of the narrative will be fiercely fought over as both sides try to dominate
the proceedings and imprint their own "spin" on the drama as it unfolds.

What fascinates me, however, is not the prospect of the trial itself, but the
reasons behind the Bush administration’s refusal to get this over with as soon
as they got their hands on the defendants. Here they had a perfect opportunity
to stage a show trial, control the narrative, and show for all the world to
see the unspeakable
evil of the 9/11 plotters – so why didn’t they do it? Why, now, are we left,
all these years later, to clean up their mess?

I don’t buy the official story, which is that the Bush Justice Department,
under orders from the White House, was unwilling to do it as a matter of high
principle, the principle being that these guys were not and are not ordinary
criminals, but "enemy combatants" who didn’t deserve the legal forms
reserved for U.S. citizens and legal residents. Since when would any "principle"
stop them from using a public trial as a weapon in their "war on terrorism"?
And since KSM admits his guilt – indeed,
proclaims it – there doesn’t seem to be any problem reaching a guilty verdict.
The end result would seem to be preordained.

Unless…

Unless a trial would bring out certain facts that the Bush administration didn’t
want revealed. We already know they
tortured KSM, and surely they were aware
his confession was tainted,
but that isn’t as much of a big deal as it’s made out to be. Most
Americans (present company excluded) believe the 9/11 plotters deserved
to be tortured, so the domestic public relations fallout – as opposed to the
strictly legal consequences – would redound to the Bushies’ favor. And as the
Bush crowd was never all that concerned with our image overseas, international
reaction
to details of torture sessions would presumably not come into play.

Torture aside, however, it occurs to me that the Bushies didn’t want a public
trial because, after all, KSM
and his
comradesplanned
and helped
[.pdf] execute the
most
successful – and deadliest
– act of terrorism on U.S. soil in our history, and if anyone knows the real
story behind it, it’s the
defendants in this case. At the very least, their testimony will show up
the Bush administration for the utter
incompetents they were and expose to public view the gaping
holes in our security al-Qaeda managed to crawl through without much difficulty.

Furthermore, we have to ask the question: what else will the defendants reveal
about how they managed to down the twin towers and devastate the Pentagon armed
only with some box-cutters?

In spite of the numerous commissions, studies, books, films, and seemingly
endless public discussion of this signal event, a great deal of the facts surrounding
the 9/11 attacks remain shrouded in mystery. And of course, this has given
rise to a whole panoply of conspiracy theories, conjectures, and alternative
narratives that have continuously threatened to overtake the official story
and replace it with something far darker and more ambiguous.

I, for one, fail to understand how the hijackers, with minimal technical skill
and arms, managed to take over four airliners and – with superb timing and
pinpoint accuracy – ram them into such high-value targets with absolutely no
outside help. Not that there haven’t been intimations
of such help. Was the Bush administration aware of some form of outside assistance
(perhaps indirect, albeit intentional), possibly from state actors, and determined
to keep it under wraps?

Which raises another interesting question: why did the Obama administration
decide to go ahead with prosecutions in a U.S. court? Could it be that they
don’t know everything the Bushies know – and are about to open a Pandora’s
box out of which will spring some pretty unpleasant wraiths?

Before I get too far afield in pure speculation, I want to stop here and consider
the Ft. Hood shooting, which the right wing (led
by the neocons) is promoting as a mini-9/11.
There is no solid evidence Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was acting under orders from
any terrorist outfit, although it is too early to rule this out entirely. Hasan
was in
touch with a radical imam who preached at the same mosque attended by three
of the 9/11 hijackers. Hasan prayed at this mosque when he was stationed in
the D.C. area, and he exchanged as many as 20-to-30 e-mails with this character,
who now lives in Yemen and who praised Hasan as an exemplar of Muslim piety.
We also have one member of Congress who claims
there is a financial connection to Pakistan, although the details remain sketchy.

I am astonished, however, by the vehement reaction I’ve received to my raising
even the possibility of a terrorist connection. One lefty blogger, after noting
that Pat
Robertson is whipping up "Islamophobia" over the Ft. Hood incident,
avers,
"I’m not surprised, either, that Antiwar.com’s editorial director Justin
Raimondo is also jumping to right-wing conclusions over the Fort Hood shooting
untethered from any factual basis."

So now we have "right-wing conclusions" and "left-wing conclusions."
Is there any room in our crazy, mixed-up, post-9/11, Bizarro
World universe for plain old standard-issue conclusions? Apparently not.

This guy also fails to note that I drew no firm conclusions about the Ft. Hood
massacre being directed or inspired by a terrorist conspiracy – I merely raised
the possibility, which is hardly "untethered from [sic] any factual
basis." The fact is al-Qaeda exists, as does the enormous amount
of ill will – and, yes, hatred – directed at the U.S. because
of our foreign policy. Is
it "untethered" to "any factual basis" to believe we might
be scorched by the blowback?
This isn’t a "right-wing" conclusion or a "left-wing" conclusion;
it is objective reality.

The timing of all this is oddly coincidental and, in one case, probably not
due entirely to chance, which brings us to the seizure
of that supposedly Iranian-owned mosque (they also are said to be the real owners
of the Piaget
building in Manhattan) – with the clear implication this represents some
sort of security risk. The question is, why now? Why, when the administration
is trying
to get the Iranians to make concessions at the negotiating table, is the Justice
Department prosecuting alleged Iranian proxies in the U.S.? This only adds to
the atmosphere of hysteria and suspicion heightened by the Ft. Hood incident
and the upcoming 9/11 trial. One has to conclude the Obamaites are deliberately
fanning the flames – but to what end?

Yes, I realize this column raises many questions and answers practically none
of them, but that’s the situation we find ourselves in these days, and there’s
no getting around it. I don’t pretend to have all – or even a good many – of
the answers. But the path to real knowledge is asking the right questions and,
furthermore, being unafraid to go where the facts lead, whether the conclusions
we draw are "right-wing" or "left-wing."

NOTES IN THE MARGIN

Now that’s an odd admission for a pundit to make: I don’t have all the answers.
And it’s pretty uncharacteristic of my style, which is usually imbued with
a ruthless certainty, at least insofar as my views of what ought to be are
concerned. Yet advocacy journalism is not only concerned with what ought to
be, but also with what is. Indeed, a writer’s main task is to make the connection
between his or her views and the facts.

The problem is that the facts are not always revealed in their entirety in
the first five minutes of a crisis. Look at the Ft. Hood attack: first Hasan
was dead, and then he wasn’t. Initial reports posited more than one shooter,
and it was only later that a lone gunman – an all-too-familiar figure in the
history of American assassinations – emerged as the perpetrator. We are still
learning about this enigmatic Army recruit, a Muslim who joined the military
against his parents’ wishes and the advice of his friends and was openly and
vehemently opposed to what he considered a U.S. war on the Muslim faith. He
even went so far as to make a long presentation at a conference of military
psychiatric and medical personnel that seemed to justify terrorist attacks
by Muslims. He was also reportedly under investigation for his inflammatory
Internet postings praising suicide bombers – although, inexplicably, the probe
never went anywhere.

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"And of course, this has given rise to a whole panoply of conspiracy theories, conjectures, and alternative narratives that have continuously threatened to overtake the official story and replace it with something far darker and more ambiguous."
FYI: Justin,only what the government said about 911 is a conspiracy.Look at the facts and the players envolved in the 911 attacks. All 3 WTC towers dropped flat in less than 7 seconds and concrete turned into dust. I suggest , 2U Justin, google Marvin Bush 911 WTC
Cheers:

Anonymous

Take off your tinfoil hat dude and watch the History Channel documentary about the 9/11 conspiracy movement.
You guys aren't fooling anyone anymore. You don't want "the truth". You just want to discredit all U.S. foreign policy post 9/11 no matter what the facts are.

Oh yeah. If it was on the boobtube, it's gotta be so. Really impressive hatchet job — not. Totally debunked.

Try googling Project Mockingbird.

The federal government's 9/11 narrative is a conspiracy theory, of course. There are about 5,000 conspiracy indictments each year in the U.S. alone. But, owing to persistent Project Mockingbird propaganda in the CIA-controlled mainstream media, many people have been indoctrinated with the idea that those alleging governmental conspiracies are "conspiracy theorists" (usually with an insinuation of paranoia). This has been a very effective tool for keeping many intelligent people from actually looking at the evidence (which is so overwhelming it almost takes one's breath away).

Mike

So everything is cosy again after the History Channel says so? Aww how nice for you.

Now for those of you with the spine to deal with a potentially terrifying reality, google 'Richard Gage 2008' and watch the presentation by architects and engineers for 9/11 truth. We're not saying who did it and why and how, we're are saying "Look at the scientific evidence".
It is up to the good guys in the police/FBI/whoever to examine the evidence and reach their conclusions. In the eyes of the mainstream media/general public and intellectual cowards, Osama Bin Laden was guilty before the first tower had fell.
If it was my country under attack and my friends and family being killed, I would want the TRUTH, not just some conclusion that I was comfortable with. You can only find the truth when you look at all of the scientific evidence and not by reaching your conclusion beforehand, looking for evidence that fits your theory and then ignoring/destroying evidence that may point elsewhere.

wadosy

torture is pretty much standard operating procedure when you're setting up patsies for show trials.

government has become showbiz since the neocons took over… after all, we're an empire and we create our own reality… even if we have to torture people to create patsies who are blamed for an action that the neocons themselves admitted they needed.

oh well.

dsmith

I think teh neocons are against trials because so much of the testimony will be tossed because of KSM being waterboarded over 180 times. Pretty hard to defend.

looks like most everybody, whether they'll admit it or not, has given up on saving the pretense of america… nothing else can explain the knuckledragger enthusiasm for this neocon project.

nobody in their right mind would support torture and false flag attacks and israeli control of america if they hadnt decided america was a lost cause… and i spose that's what the neocons are counting on: an american public so demoralized that they wont make any effort to salvage the country.

…all of which is understandable given that "the america way" is based on profligate and unsustainable exploitation of diminishing resources.

the little dogs eat the smaller dogs, and the big dogs flit away with the loot.

good deal.

Anonymous

Shouldn't you be posting your anti-Semitic rants over at stormfront.org? Why are you even here?

I keep looking for the word "Jew" (or some synonym/epithet thereof) or even "Zionist" and couldn't find it.

Oh, I guess you don't like the comment about "israeli [sic] control of america [sic]". Apparently this is a thoughtcrime constituting anti-Semitism. Funny thing though, several Israeli prime ministers have said virtually the same thing. (It must be like the N-word: It's only non-"racist" when African-Americans say it.)

KSM had already admitted to planning the attacks prior to being tortured, in an interview with al jazeera, once he was tortured he admitted to virtually every terror attack since 1980, even ones he couldn't possibly have been a part of, I think he also admitted to plotting to blow up a building that didn't even exist at the time, but he did confess to planning 9/11 prior to being tortured.

i'm sorry, but the official conspiracy theory, whatever variation you want to trot out, is too preposterous to believe… and none of the official variations explains why PNAC said they needed a "new pearl harbor" in september of 2000, or explains how those PNAC people came to be installed into positions from which they could make 9/11 happen —installed in those positions by the 2000 election recount in a state governed by a PNAC signatory.

none of those variations explains why netanyahu thought 9/11 was such a good deal.

none of those variations explains why those mossad guys were so overjoyed at the success of the 9/11 operation.

none of those variations explains that actual hijackers aboard the airliners were unnecessary, given the GPS navigation capabilities of the airliners, capabilities that are programmable from the ground.

The third world is probably full of people with "plans" to someday retaliate somehow against the USraeli Empire for the brutality it serves up all over the world.

It's probably also full of people who would love to claim responsibility for a successful attack against the Empire.

In that sense, I don't doubt that KSM could've daydreamed about flying planes into buildings in the U.S., for example.

The question is: Did KSM actually have anything to do with 9/11? And the answer is: Probably not. Although it's possible that forward-looking Zionist agents-provacateurs intending to create some Arab patsies had some contact with him.

The bottom line is that if there were nothing to hide, the "U.S. government" would not be hiding it.

Do you have a link or anything to support the clam that KSM admitted planning the 9/11 attacks before being tortured?

The third world is probably full of people with "plans" to someday retaliate somehow against the USraeli Empire for the brutality it serves up all over the world.

It's probably also full of people who would love to claim responsibility for a successful attack against the Empire.

In that sense, I don't doubt that KSM could've daydreamed about flying planes into buildings in the U.S., for example.

The question is: Did KSM actually have anything to do with 9/11? And the answer is: Probably not. Although it's possible that forward-looking Zionist agents-provacateurs intending to create some Arab patsies had some contact with him.

The bottom line is that if there were nothing to hide, the "U.S. government" would not be hiding it.

Do you have a link or anything to support the clam that KSM admitted planning the 9/11 attacks before being tortured?

Tarleton

Is there a transcript of that al Jazeera interview available? Was it actually shown on the air or is it the word of a reporter that KSM said such and such?

"Summoning every thread of experience and courage, I looked Khalid in the eye and asked: "Did you do it?" The reference to September 11 was implicit. Khalid responded with little fanfare: "I am the head of the al-Qaida military committee," he began, "and Ramzi is the coordinator of the Holy Tuesday operation. And yes, we did it."

Yosri Fouda is the reporters name. It seems there are taped interviews, but the reporter has been the source of other questionable tapes. The quote below is from: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=yosri_fo... , but I first saw it at: truthjihad.blogspot.com/2009/11/why-ksms-innocence-matters.html
quote:
Financial Times states: “Analysts cited the crude editing of [Fouda’s interview] tapes and the timing of the broadcasts as reasons to be suspicious about their authenticity. Dia Rashwan, an expert on Islamist movements at the Al-Ahram Centre for Strategic Studies in Cairo, said: ‘I have very serious doubts [about the authenticity of this tape]. It could have been a script written by the FBI.’” [Financial Times, 9/11/2002] … After being so reviled by al-Qaeda supporters, Fouda is later given a cassette said to be a bin Laden speech. [MSNBC, 11/18/2002] US officials believe the voice on that cassette is “almost certainly” bin Laden, but one of the world’s leading voice-recognition institutes said it is 95 percent certain the tape is a forgery. [BBC, 11/18/2002; BBC, 11/29/2002]
unquote. All those in brackets are links at HistoryCommons.

I totally agree with your comment. I wouldn't give one cent to AW just because of the hard line Scott and other contributors take against what they call "truthers". Anyone who has actually spent any time researching the events and repercussions of 9/11 knows how interconnected these events were to the topics of sites like Antiwar.com, Democracynow.com. But, for some reason these media outlets seem to stay away from connecting the dots of the bigger picture in fear of what?

Al Gomas

I found out about their blinders through correspondence with Scott H.
His response to my questioning his 911 conclusions was almost violent.
I was polite in my remarks but to my shock, he responded by attacking me
with insults and curses.
What a shock to discover that AW is compromised.
Our only hope for change is the utter collapse of our Empire.

Anonymous

So where exactly do you live? If you live in the U.S. and you hope for its "utter collapse" you are an idiot.

Al Gomas

Who said anything about collapsing the US?
I said Empire.
No Empire means
No War.
You are anti-war, correct?

the_big_wedding

I agree with your comments. It is my suspicion that JR is an agent. Probably the CIA. It is impossible to come away, with only the most superficial investigation of what happened, both before, on 911, and in its aftermath, without coming to the conclusion that 911 was an inside job.

That the predominately Saudi hijackers (patsies) and al Qaeda were part of a larger secret Bush CIA secret army formed by Prince Bandar "Bush" at the behest for his mentor "Poppy" Bush in return for Bush helping the Sunnis to secure a stranglehold on the predominately Shia Saudi Arabia through its CIA created security services.

It will only be through a new and thorough 911 investigation that we will be able to secure our republic and constitution. Without looking at the mechanism of control: false-flag terror, the Hegelian dialect strategy of tension that has allowed a small cabal of oligarchs to run rough-shod over the planet privatizing, looting the economies of the world, focusing the power of the security states created in their hands, we will not be free of the tyranny unleashed by Bush on 911.

Mike

Justin CIA? OMG. Too much.

Mike D.

"And of course, this has given rise to a whole panoply of conspiracy theories, conjectures, and alternative narratives that have continuously threatened to overtake the official story and replace it with something far darker and more ambiguous."

Poor Justin,

Still fails to see beyond the official narrative.

musings

Why didn't the Bushies want a trial? I don't know. But Justin could stop reminding us of the box-cutter narrative for starters. This is a story which can only be verified by the statement of Barbara Olson. The plane didn't have an online phone and cell phones don't work on planes. So that statement seems to have a problem as the basis of the narrative. But technical impossibilities don't concern those who need to adhere to a narrative and live within the fiction. Torture is one way to make sure the narrative coheres. The Spanish Inquisition knew that. The witch trial judges of the 17th century knew it. Is it true that KSM's sons are still in US hands? If so, his trial is the furtherance of that torture. But it sure will help advance the narrative for another administration. No Justin, you cannot have any more of my money even though you host a lot of people with more integrity.

Cell phones don't work above 15K' in jetliners, even less so back in 2001. This is well documented.

Disinformation is the 9/11 deniers best friend.

Anonymous

Nice, you just proved that you can lie. A 9/11 "conspiracy" however you didn't prove. Really dude if you are going to offer more theories on "how 9/11 really happened" at least try not to repeat what was already discredited a long time ago. Oh yeah and try answering this question:

If there was really a 9/11 conspiracy who no foreign intel agency (i.e. the KGB) had uncovered it by now? Just imagine how much they would be able to blackmail U.S. govt official with that kind of info.
So why couldn't they find it?

Oops I just poked a huge hole in your "logic". Until 9/11 truthers honestly answer this common sense question you will always be fringe nutjobs.

Before that, if you go through his archives and compare it with his archives on his syndicate, antiwar.com had taken great pains to exclude any of his older columns that even hinted at the 9/11 truth issue.

Understood. Still, I wonder how many people would even have the frame of mind to make a cell call at a time like that. On the "tech" end of things, the curse of being a geek, I've always wondered how it is possible to fly through literally millions of cell phone signals both landing and taking off, and that's seems to be OK. I haven't seen jets dropping out of the sky due to this but those pesky passengers could well put a nail in their own coffin by jabbering to grandma. Maybe its that burst from the phone attempting to make its first connection but you gotta wonder what in the hell that is all about.

Tim Howells

Thanks for a good article that at least touches on the huge problems in propping up the official story regarding September 11, 2001. I've long since taken the plunge as a 911 Truther myself, but then again, I have less to lose than does anyone with a position as a high-profile internet pundit. I do appreciate the courage it takes to make this kind of statement.

Smiddy

Why is a respectable site like antiwar.com giving a platform to the ignorant waffle in the above article.
He says the accused deserve to be tortured…. so when did the trial take place which allowd the writer to know for a fact that the accused committed the crimes…. and was the writer present at this trial?

Jane Doe

3000 approx. people died on 9/11, many of whom weren't Americans, and on a day when Benjamin Netanyahu said was a "good day for Israel"

Netanyahu would know because he had a weekly conversation with Larry Silverstein, renter of the World Trade Center, this according to Israeli paper Ha'aretz. Silverstein made a fortune off of the attacks on those asbestos laden towers.

BTW: only three Israelis were killed in the attacks per CNN's website.

The Washington Post also reported that Israeli based company Odigo received an early warning of the attacks. Just like Netanyahu, who was in London, received an early warning of the 7/7 attacks.

It appears that Muslim "terrorists" seem to have this obsessive need to warn their worst enemies when they're about to kill them.

Now Israel's war on Islam is our "War on Terror" and we've killed more than a million of those pesky Muslims who on our own soil have (allegedly) killed about 2000 if that Americans.

Connect the dots.

Anonymous

You are an idiot. Israel's "war on Islam"? Read what the Koran says about the Jews and what "good" Muslims are supposed to do to them. It's the Islamic world that has been at war with Israel since 1948. Educate yourself and don't be such a tool.

Jane Doe

If Zionists were so worried about Muslims then why the hell didn't they move to South America or Pluto?

Ashkenazi European CONVERTS to Judaism are the ones causing the problem, not the Jews who stayed in the Middle East and who have lived in harmony with Muslims AND Christians for centuries.

Maybe because Jews lived there long before Islam, and the Palestinians. And no, Jews and Christians didn't "live in harmony" under Muslim (later Ottoman Imperial) rule. They were "dhimmis" i.e. submissive, 2nd class citizens.

El Baradei is a tool who'll soon be out of work after Iran tests its first nuke.

Baz

Hi anonymous,

I have the Koran in from of me. which passage do you refer to that says what good muslims are supposed to do to jews?

Also, i was under the impression that israel declared war on islam and palestinians when jewish colonists from europe landed in palestine and went on an ethnic cleansing campain in 1948 and slaughtered thousands of Palestinians (including raping women and crushing the skulls of babies) and forcing them from their legal homes?…

Baz I don't know where you were educated but your comments here reveal a shocking degree of ignorance. I hope you were just trying to be funny and don't seriously believe the things you wrote.
May I suggest some reading material for you?

Finally you mention the fact that Israel commited war crimes in 1948. Do you think the Arab nations didn't commit similar or worse crimes? By the way which side was outnumbered in the 1948 war? Who was fighting for survival and who was fighting for a cynical political agenda?
And why didn't Egypt and Jordan make any effort to establish a Palestinian State when THEY were occupying the West Bank and Gaza in 1948 – 1967?
Educate yourself.

if by Islam you mean its neighboring states, then yes
and if by war you mean one party refusing to declare its borders, then yes

p.s. using the "read their holly book" argument really shows you haven't been reading your own,unless your an atheist, then good for you!

Anonymous

The Koran makes it clear what Muslims are supposed to do to the Jews. The simple fact that so many Israel-haters in the West fail to understand is that Islam can't and won't tolerate any Jewish state anywhere.
Israel could be in Europe and still Muslim fundamentalists wouldn't accept its right to exist.

It has nothing to do with the Palestinians. They are "useful idiots" for the local tyrants who need an external "enemy" and a "victim" to distract the public.

It has nothing to do with Arab "pride" or "unity". Arab leaders know that the existence of Israel in the Middle East isn't bad for their nations from an economic point of view. If they had free trade with Israel the Arab nations would benefit a lot.

It comes down to just one issue. Islam. Islam accepts Christians only as 2nd class citizens (dhimmis). It doesn't accept the Jews at all. In fact Jews aren't even allowed to visit Saudi Arabia while people of all faiths are allowed to visit Israel.

You would think that Western liberals who preach human rights, multiculturalism, freedom of speech/religion, gay rights, and tolerance of opposing views would support Israel (which has these things) and condemn the Muslim fundamentalists (who consider such ideas blasphemy) but no. And why? Because they are just too stupid.

you are aware that at the time the old testament was written(compiled) there was no Christians or Muslims but every other religion that did get mentioned, there were faily specific mentions of how to kill them and to smash all the idols and what no.

the new testament having the benefit of hindsight know of both Christians and Jews but no mention of Muslims,is the source of most antisemtism

In that vein, read the Talmud about Christians and what Jews are supposed to do to them.

(No, I'm not suggesting most Jews follow the Talmud. Least of all my hero, the late Murray Rothbard, who'd be thoroughly disgusted that his self-proclaimed acolyte, Justin Raimondo, lends his support to the 9/11 denial movement. Rothbard was never afraid to discuss government conspiracies when the predominant evidence was there: the lying — and often murderous — pretexts for U.S. intervention is the Spanish/Cuban War, in WWs I & II, the Korean & Vietnam Wars; fluoridation, the JFK assassination, etc.)

My point was that he never flinched away from Establishment-denied conspiracies when the facts gave great support to them. And that his protege Justin Raimondo, though pretending to be following Rothbard's example, doesn't do that at all when it comes to 9/11. Again, Rothbard would be disgusted to see a prominent political writer who claims to be his follower instead be a 9/11 denier.

I reported this breach of common civility, but nothing has happened. Perhaps if more of you reported it, something would be done. (Just as Nelson's comment was deleted, presumably because of complaint by Anonymous.)

Wouldn't that be something, if it came to light that 911 was not an attack by some state-less rogue organization of cavedwellers but by a nation. And I'm not thinking about Iraq/n/Afghani/Pakistan. Not that the truth is going to come to light in the trial, if there is a trial. If things even get that far, and I wouldn't count on it, given the flip-flopping nature of Obama, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that KSM got a heart attack or some such thing. Otherwise, one can experct the judge to keep things so tight that KSM's defenders won't get a chance to bring a whole lot to light. Judges after all are big tools of the establishment. In the end it will all be molded into one a nice farce to fit with the American mythology- we are great and a near-holy land and our enemies are pure evil.

In regard to Hasan, I'm surprised no one has "found" a "connection" to Iran yet? What better chance for the neo-cons to justify an invasion than by turning this into a mini-Iran-sponsored 911.

SuspiciousPatriot

In regard to the Ft. Hood shooter – my suggestion to all is, that you Google/YouTube…MK Ultra.

MK (Mind Control) Ultra – The American Government mind control program; how to get someone to do something that they would not normally do? How do you turn someone into a weapon; a guided missile?

MK Ultra is America's answer to that question.

And please note (if you look into it) that the program is based near and has connections to Virginia Tech.

Why mention VT? Well, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan went to VT and note that he is a psychiatrist. The school shooting a few years back…Virginia Tech. Interesting that another head case, one who shoots, dozens of people, comes from – Virginia Tech.

My suspicions tell m, that there is more to this then meets the (media's) eye and that once again, our own government might not be too far removed from The Truth.

On an ancillary note – The 46th anniversary of JFK and the "Magic Bullet" is coming up, this month. Those that doubt the veracity of what I have written might want to keep that in mind.

Regarding the single bullet theory in the JFK murder, the bullet is supposed to have gone thru the back of JFK's neck and hit Connally. But the autopsy photos dont show any hole in the back of the neck.
However, there is a hole 6 inches down and to the right in the shoulder, which is all bone and muscle.
Hmm

My god, the majotity thinks it was alright to torture the 9/11 suspects. What's the point of anything? There can be no hope for peace when barbarism is condoned by the public.

James O'Neill

Justin. Box cutters are the least of the government's problems. Read the FBI's evidence to the Maussoui trial: they said that Mrs Olsen (the sole source of the "boxcutter wielding Muslims myth) tried once to phone her husband Ted Olsen, and that call lasted ZERO seconds. Sworn evidence in a court of law from an official government agency.
As to what brought the buildings down, read the article by Harrit et al in the April 2009 issue of the Open Journal of Chemistry and Physics. The authors prove conclusively that the operative cause was nano-thermite, a highly sophisticated agent that was developed by militarily funded research agencies. And, quelle surprise, some of the scientists most involved in the development of this substance, were also on the NIST inquiry which failed to look for evidence of explosive materials. Open you mind to the scientific evidence Justin. Forget the multitudinous conspiracy theories and ask yourself: how did 19 alleged Muslims defeat the laws of physics and bring down three towers in unprecedented ways.

Anonymous

How does any sane person believe this BS? Please the "controlled demolition theory" is the dumbest 9/11 conspiracy theory there is.

Anyone with even elementary knowledge of how controlled demolitions work knows that the WTC towers weren't demolished.

IT TAKES A LONG TIME to prepare a building as large as the WTC tower for demolition and there were TWO towers, plus another smaller WTC building.

So did the liar in the April 2009 issue of the Open Journal of Chemistry and Physics explain how these buildings were rigged for demolition and NOBODY noticed a thing. NOBODY got suspicious. NOBODY alerted the local authorities and the local media (some of which include anti-govt publications that would have been all over this story if it was true).

Thanks. Not a joke though, not even a metaphor. If we're in an age where authorities talk openly about torture's utility and guaranteed trial results, then we know we're back in an age with other familiar imagery. Where are KSM's sons, and would their captivity account for the supposedly 'unpressured' confession? How was that intercourse with the devil? Why did he so prefer riding broomsticks? Has anyone he knew ever turned into a newt? These are all pressing questions given the circumstances….

MoT

I know… I know. Agreed. I have to laugh at the evil irony of it all especially when its staring me in the face from off the boob tube with its highly paid actors reading their "lines" otherwise I'd be crying all the time. But crying isn't all that bad when it flushes the "crap" from your eyes and perhaps the ones doing so are the only ones who can truly SEE.

911Blogger now blocks all my comments (it says it puts them in "queue" for "moderation" — but never posts them, no matter how innocuous): It appears I raised the matter of Israeli involvement in 9/11 and influence over U.S. foreign policy once too often.

(911Blogger is also dishonest — if it means to block my comments, it should tell me so upfront. So much for its self-proclaimed dedication to "truth.")

911Blogger seems to be a Trojan Horse that's far more concerned with pro-Israel, pro-Zionist gatekeeping than getting at the truth. I know of others who cannot post anything there, and when they inquired about it, they were not even told why. It used to be more subtle, but lately it's become completely outrageous – it's a joke.

camusrebel

I used to be a daily Antiwar reader. Had been my first stop. Gave it up cold several years ago when it hit me they were afraid of, or consciously part of covering up, 911 truth. Only here now by a link from 911blogger, my current first stop.

Yes, some there try to minimize the obvious Mossad role. But daily they bring fresh ammo to the fight. Truth is our only hope for a future we can be proud of.

camusrebel

Objective reality screams that Al-CIA-duh is a phony boogey man. If you, Justin, are anything like a real "investigative reporter" find out what happened to the other 2 shooters. They were in custody. They were mentioned by several "news" orgs. Before they vanished into the black hole of Big Brother's new reality. They did exist. They must have names, paper trails, stories to tell.

just because all mention of them has been scrubbed from all "news" websites should not deter one asking for our money to dig up the truth. Get us their names, i'll send you $100.

OOO…OOO, Nelson still hot after all these years…. Me I don't really know… I wax one way, then another… But if G-d was to put me in a gillotine and tell me to guess…….and if I was wrong I'd lose my head, I'd pick the MIC…. The confluence of oil and money/Israel….. The destruction of evidence by the gov. is why.. The 911 air traffic controllers after incident report was destroyed by a FAA "Quality Assurance Manager"…. We are Not allowed to know his name. He was supposedly "punished" but we are not allowed to know the punishment… The way the tape was destroyed is instructive… The manager "crushed the reel in his hand" then removed the tape and cut it up … then walked around the facility depositing small portions of the cuttings in various waste baskets. This tape was made IMMEDIATELY after all the planes were no longer airborne. What was said on that tape to make it SO DANGEROUS..?? see: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A6632-20… So the planes strike the buildings and almost immediately there are photos of the [presumedly] dead
hijackers/terrorists. So, all this death and destruction, and they got nobody…… When they finally get some of the conspirators, what do they do??…. They hide them away in Cuba and torture them and interrogate them….. There are tapes made [why] of what these alleged conspirators say under questioning and torture…. What does the CIA do with these [more than 90] tape which are evidence in one of the BIGGEST crimes in America if not the BIGGEST EVER..??? They DESTROY the tapes!
What is not right about this picture..??? Again, WHAT was SAID to make these tapes so dangerous.?

Let's look at the dog …..who did not bark…….Michael Hayden, head of NSA prior to and on 911….. NSA the MEGA billions of dollars ear of the empire, but he/it heard nothing, or they claim to have found nothing helpful… Was he fired, NO!!, of ourse not…He gets promoted to the TOP intelligence job…Nothing unusual here right, hey It's the Christian thing to do, forgive and forget….. But isn't it those that call themselves conservatives who are always complaining how no one in government gets fired no matter how badly they perform..?? Do not even wonder, it's not worth it…

General Ralph Eberhart, who was in charge of NORAD (air defense) on 9/11, was made the first commander of the "Northern Command," the domestic unified military command established in October 2002. If the domestic use of the U.S. military escalates into full-scale martial law, the Northern Command would essentially manage it. If 9/11 had been an "intelligence failure," it is likely that General Eberhart would have been court-martialed instead of promoted. The Pentagon's new Homeland Defense Agency was first commanded by the general who was in charge of defending New York and Washington airspace on 9/11…..Uhhggghh. is that another one who was asleep on 911 that got promoted..?? I just get tired going on…& on… & on……….

just Who IS Eric Holder..?? and Whats gotten into him..?? This will be one for the ages……….!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tarleton

"In spite of the numerous commissions, studies, books, films, and seemingly endless public discussion of this signal event, a great deal of the facts surrounding the 9/11 attacks remain shrouded in mystery. And of course, this has given rise to a whole panoply of conspiracy theories, conjectures, and alternative narratives . . . "

Yes, and those theories, etc. would be useful in a reasonable doubt defense, particularly the theories that the buildings were actually brought down by explosives and the plane crashes were decoys. Obviously, the defendants did not have the means to plant explosives or have them planted. A defense attorney who would not present the architects and engineers, etc. that have already spoken out and/or published on this would be incompetent or deliberately committing malpractice.

In a criminal trial, the defendants have a right to attorney and they have a right to choose that attorney of their own free will. Has that been the case here? It would make a big difference for the defendants to have attorneys informing them of the possibilities for putting on a defense vs attorneys telling them they should just plead guilty.

justin is just another typical gatekeeper distracting from and covering up the truth, not just of 9/11 but other issues as well. don't expect any great revelations from him.
of course 9/11 was an inside job – anyone with an internet connection can see the twin towers did not collapse but rather were rendered completely (including most of the steel) into powder at the astounding rate of 11 floors per second.

J. Clifton

I get it, Justin. Your site is an antiwar site, and is devoted on principle to non-interventionist foreign policy. That is you would be anti-aggression whether or not governments practiced false flag ops to justify their militarism. So of course you don't want the site's mission to be diverted by dwelling on all the details of how inside jobs were conducted. And of course, as a matter of positioning, you don't want to put out questionable speculation that the neocons can exploit.

But the price of this approach has been to lose the country, even as you save the site's focus. How further out of Iraq and Afghanistan are we, after a thousand eloquent "beautiful loser" columns decrying the insanity of it all? Have any fewer people been tortured, any fewer Patriot Act laws been passed, or the interventionist apparatus of the US government any less entrenched as a result of the silence of Antiwar.com on the documented evidence of a false flag on 9/11? How could you ever succeed in convincing anybody with reason, with the emotion of "everything we do is okay, since those towelheads attacked us first" hanging in the background?

To reverse the horror of these past 8 years, you have to first smash the paradigm creating the trust in stronger government and pretext for the "War on Terror" in the first place. It would help if this site at least emphasized the need for a new independent 9/11 inquiry, as recommended by most of the members of the 9/11 Commission Report. Or help if AWC took a cue from Cindy Sheehan and furthered an alliance between the antiwar and 9/11 truth movements, instead of dividing the strength of both groups with infighting.

It would further help if Antiwar.com went back to reporting on the documented anomalies that didn't fit the official story the way it used to. It was on AWC that I first learned about the Israeli 'art students' and the FOX news series on Israeli foreknowledge, AWC where I first heard about the hijackers being somehow approved to receive flight training on secure military bases, and on and on. Until the emotional backdrop "but they attacked US" created (most recently) by 9/11 is still out there, this site's logical case against interventionism will continue to stall with the general public.

J. Clifton

Change last sentence from "until the emotional backdrop…" to "as long as the emotional backdrop…" for clarity.

Shaun

I concur. The essential crime of the 9/11 coverup was to justify the rationale for going around the world justifying the killing and occupation of millions of people – all Muslims. Because if 9/11 was perpetrated solely by a couple muslims, they must all be responsible somehow right? This essential premise must be challenged and shown for the monstrous falsehood it is or it will be used indefinitely as fearbait to justify endless future wars to a cowed, demoralized, and debased electorate.

So now my posts here are being deleted? I've struck a nerve have I? Is it because I've proven by example that Zionist fingerprints are all over the 9/11 crime and the cover-up? Is it because I pointed out the outrageous Zionist apologia at 911blogger.com? Is it because I linked to an article where James Petras points out Noam Chomsky's ethnic blindspot, which is most likely the reason for his bizarre 9/11 posturing?http://petras.lahaine.org/articulo.php?p=7&mo…

D. Lagarde

Paul Craig Roberts is right: how can a guy like Raimondo, who never believes anything else the govt. says, believe them only when it comes to 9-11? CIA funding, perhaps?

Terry Dumke

Just,

This article show beyond any possible doubt that you are a government schill. By focusing on the pending show trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed instead of the truth about what really happened on 9/11 you have shown your true colors. I have a suggestion: for starters, let's put the "Dancing Israelis" on trial followed by Bush, Cheney and General Ralph Eberhart, the head of Norad on 9/11.
In conclusion, you are not fooling anyone with your pathetic attempts at diverting us away from the real murderers on that fateful day.

Terry

SmM

I am sure most Antiwar readers are not going to like this statement: The only way this will end is when we have finished another civil war. That's right, another war. The people who are behind this are hoping we Americans have been so pussified that we will not even raise a finger. They are more than likely right, as most of you fat ass sports fanatics are too goddamn lazy to do anything more than get another bag of chips and another beer during a commercial break. And whine, you pusbags do a lot of whining.

You sit behind your monitors, reading Raimondo the riot act because he doesn't mention YOUR narrative, or follow YOUR conspiracy theories… but what are you jackasses REALLY doing other than whining on blogs and venting your 'anger'. Not a damn thing. Nothing. Are you buying weapons? Are you stocking up on ammunition? No you are whining about how you don't like the shit going on, but are you DOING ANYTHING about it? You know who is? The so-called 'right-wingers' are getting ready. The lefties are sitting around ho-hum-de-humming about it all, contemplating how bad war is, and whining about it all.

Do you spend one tenth of the time writing your Representatives and Senators demanding they do their jobs, as you do whining on blog comment sections? Do you actively SPEAK to other people about what you see and try to show them that the 'official' conspiracy theory is yes, just another THEORY? No, you drive your keyboards, and whine. A lot.

When the day comes that the second civil war is consummated, all you will have accomplished is NOT getting ready to take back our nation. Do not deceive yourselves. It will be WAR. It will be bloody, and many will die. And if you choose to live on your knees, so be it. Shameful. Spineless.

Gus

Great. Replace one tyranny with another. Good luck with that.

talltimber55

@ camusrebel
Thanks for saying this and I agree with you!
"I used to be a daily Antiwar reader. Had been my first stop. Gave it up cold several years ago when it hit me they were afraid of, or consciously part of covering up, 911 truth,…

Yes, some there try to minimize the obvious Mossad role. But daily they bring fresh ammo to the fight. Truth is our only hope for a future we can be proud of."

It will be unfortunate if the focus of discussion on GITMO defaults to KSM. The Abu Zubaydah case is even more of what you expect in situations where torture-must-out, regardless of facts (hence the preference for tossing in KSM's supposed self-incrimination) –and he appears to have provided false intelligence that sold the Iraq war. Brent Mickum has more than once exposed GITMO as a 'fact' bending, intentionally moving target:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/...
"…the government is conducting a surreptitious but systematic purging of any reference to my client from the charge sheets and factual returns of other prisoners whose cases were being prosecuted. Abu Zubaydah has been linked to nearly 50 prisoners and former prisoners through media accounts and official Guantanamo Bay documents. Of these, approximately two dozen have either had their charges dropped or have been released from custody, including British resident Binyam Mohamed, who was recently released to British authorities without any charges. Before charges were dropped against Binyam Mohamed, Sufyian Barhoumi, Ghassan al-Sharbi and Jabran Sard al-Qahtani, each had their charge sheets redrafted to remove every reference to Abu Zubaydah."

Its to the point where the previous lawyers and judges are witnesses to much of what should really be on trial, here. Perhaps the NY trial signals that the gov't believes it has finally cherry-picked a self-consistent fiction, having arrived at a sufficiently small number of patsies (and perhaps a 'real' suspect or two) to limit further damage to the War on Terror's already brazen reputation?

It would be a welcomed miracle if 9/11 saw even a limited degree of genuine investigation in these trials –but its too easy to play windmill, 'discrediting' Quixote's lying-eyes. I think there are fewer shills in this game than there are cowards –even though the shills are indeed a dime a dozen!

Any rational and impartial person, upon reviewing the facts and the physics of this national disgrace, could only conclude that the official story is a complete fabrication.

It’s obvious you are rational, so that leaves us with only one other choice.

Cadavre

The first mainstream outlet that reports the truth will make money hand over heels.

Justin, you're a New Yorker. After 911, given the fact that a new phenomena of metallurgy came to light, that a short lived kerosene fire (jet fuel is kerosene and most of the fuel flashed off at impact) could indeed pulverize concrete and melt 16 inch steel girders like they was butter on a toasted bagel, could you please tell us how many properties in New York replaced their antiquated, easy to melt heavy steel boilers with some magical ceramic or titanium alloy to assure they wouldn't melt from the forced air coal or heating oil fires used to heat those boilers to pressures exceeding several atmospheres. I have not read about any boiler replacement regime, have you, Justin?

And tell me, Justin, who lied, Larry Silverstein, the guy who purchased the complex in Aug 2001 despite the fact that those towers were twice condemned for asbestos and under waiver when Larry closed and owned the only property on Manhattan that enjoyed triple indemnity "terror from the sky" insurance, when he regrettably confessed to pulling WTC 7, or NIST, when they declared lucky Larry's confession a lie and blamed WTC 7 free fall on another "just discovered" phenomena of nature, thermal expansion? One can only assume those buildings used wall board made of dynamite if we are to accept the reports of explosions by first responders and city officials. A good guess, had the sprinkler systems been operational, is that the NIST would have argued "thermal contraction".

And how about that Pentagon attack. Was it attacked by a flying "flame thrower". I haven't seen evidence of any plane claimed to be the culprit. Luckily, following Rumsfeld's commiseration the day before, 9-10, that 2.1 Trillion Dollars under the control of DoD comptroller Dov Zacheim could not be accounted for, the flying flame, or whatever it was, managed to pierce the case hardened bunker of the Pentagon at precisely the point where the missing 2.1 Trillion was being audited, killing the auditors and destroying all the records. Mineta and Cheney knew that plane was heading towards the Pentagon but made no effort to evacuate.

Dov Zacheim is a fascinating man. Before he was DoD's big bucks embezzler, he ran a company than manufactured and installed remote and autonomous flight control systems on heavy commercial aircraft. The FAA will confirm that fact. Yet, it seems little effort was made to use those systems, an alleged terror pilots who learned all they knew from playing flight simulator with their Israeli neighbors in Florida were able to weave those planes through the most congested air space in the world, right through 3 simultaneous military drills (terror drills always seem to coincide with actual terror – seen London Tube 7-7) with the grace and skill of an Ace fighter pilot.

And why did FAA, in the spring of 2001, change policy. For example, flight control towers were instructed to turn off their radars and rely only on transponder signals to account for air traffic. The FAA also revoked a policy that had stood for 30 years, that allowed commercial airliner pilots to carry hand guns during flight.

And were is all the forensic evidence. Wow, our national "on the books" military budget is way over half the total budget. So I gess Justin, we can expect US and UK soldiers, as it has been reported, to dress like Arabs and pretend to be terrorist in Faluja, but we should only expect, that drunken Flight Simulator trained Arabians with magical flame proof passports, who pack their Jammies and toothbrush in stowed luggage before they fly to die will crash planes like an Ace of Ace that would shame the Red Barron into asbestos condemned triply indemnified high rise buildings in NYC whose and melt them down in a fire of less heat than it took to power the boilers in those buildings, right?

Justin, there is no such thing as a coincidence. There is only the allusion of it.

IMO, Justin, your pen is doing nothing more than facilitating the fog of fascism.

Justin, your article is disconnected from ordinary factual reality. Because 9/11 was done by Israelis and Americans, not by Muslims.

the_big_wedding

Justin Raimundo is an agent. Probably the CIA. It is impossible to come away, with only the most superficial investigation of what happened, both before, on 911, and in its aftermath, without coming to the conclusion that 911 was an inside job.

That the predominately Saudi hijackers (patsies) and al Qaeda were part of a larger secret Bush CIA secret army formed by Prince Bandar "Bush" at the behest for his mentor "Poppy" Bush in return for Bush helping the Sunnis to secure a stranglehold on the predominately Shia Saudi Arabia through its CIA created security services.

It will only be through a new and thorough 911 investigation that we will be able to secure our republic and constitution. Without looking at the mechanism of control: false-flag terror, the Hegelian dialect strategy of tension that has allowed a small cabal of oligarchs to run rough-shod over the planet privatizing, looting the economies of the world, focusing the power of the security states created in their hands, we will not be free of the tyranny unleashed by Bush on 911.

Paco

Justin, the best site about the 9-11 attacks is http://www.drjudywood.com She has the best scientific credentials of all the independent researchers into 9-11, and demonstrates conclusively that the towers were brought down primarily by unconvention directed energy weapons. These weapons , courtesy of the star wars program or even earlier, were probably air based and land (building) based, not from space. (Planted explosives/thermite played a limited role, if any role at all.)

ben

This is disinfo designed to kookify anyone with valid questions. This and "no planes" is part of a failed disinfo plan.

Sorry to break it to you, but Judy Wood (plus her sidekick Morgan Reynolds) is about the worst possible source of information about 9/11. She's almost certainly a paid disinformation agent. (In any modern false flag event on the scale of 9/11, there are always going to be disinformation and counterintelligence agents.) Though fortunately she's had little influence on the 9/11 truth movement itself, she serves as a convenient red herring for 9/11 deniers to smear the whole movement.

(For those unfamiliar with the subject, the mysteriously well-publicized Wood promotes the idea that laser beams from outer space destroyed the WTC, and that no planes even hit the buildings! Her "evidence" for this most extraordinary claim is half-baked technical gobbledygook, written up to fool the scientifically illiterate, while making a great target for the Mockingbird MSM.)

Leonard

Wow Justin – do you have anything to say for yourself? There's a whole lot of folks on here that seem to think you are a weak, uneducated, blind, compromised, traitor, zionist/neocon whore mouthpiece. Based on all the facts, I'd say that's pretty much accurate. GET ON THE RIGHT SIDE JUSTIN. Let's see what we can get you to confess to while being tortured eh?

Leonard

Wow Justin – do you have anything to say for yourself? There's a whole lot of folks on here that seem to think you are a weak, uneducated, blind, compromised, traitor, zionist/neocon whore mouthpiece. Based on all the facts, I'd say that's pretty much accurate. GET ON THE RIGHT SIDE JUSTIN. Let's see what we can get you to confess to while being tortured eh?

nota

@Paco
You are assuming Justin is interested in the truth. Every sentence of this article refutes that!

nota

@Paco
Oh man, that drjudywood site svcks as does your comment. Sorry I directed my comment to you. You too need some serious help.

MikeyNeptune

Yo, Jr

Either you've got netinyahoo's schlong firmly up yer azz…. or you are an incredible dumfuk. Either way… Don't be on the wrong side of history.

For a long time I have been a regular Antiwar.com reader, starting in 2000. I have also noticed the refusal to entertain possible alternatives to the standard MSM narrative for explaining the events of Sept. 11, 2001. I've pondered the reasons for this and so far only came up with "hard sayin' not knowin' ". Government schill? maybe. Ethnic blindspot? could be. Cognitive dissonance? hiding something? Anyway, the empire continues to unravel. Someday it will be toast like Germany in 1946. It will be interesting for those who are still alive after that to find out what the competent intelligence agents, like those in the FSB and insiders know about what really happenend on 9-11. It may take a long time to happen, but some distant future Edward Gibbon will probably be able to piece it together someday. How much will it resemble the official story? Not so much. continued in part 2

Iohann

As evidence of government lying mounts, it gets harder and harder to not notice the the gaping whole in the middle as most MSM commentators and some outside the MSM continue to use the party line about Sept. 11. Logic gets stretched to it's limit too when constantly pointing out government mendacity in many areas and not in one particular area. Eventually it becomes reminscent of Gavin Menzies who pointed out correctly that the Columbus brothers lied and contorted all kinds of things to prove to the throne of Spain that the new world was really the far east and almost in the same breath he uses their statement that they saw Chinese people near Greenland to prove to his readers that the Chinese discovered America.
Hey, I'm not angry about it. I just think it's getting to be very obvious that you're purposefully looking the other way about this one.

President Barack Obama recently declared that al-Qaeda remains the “greatest threat to the United States’ security.” If by “United States” he means the U.S. Government, then it is possible that he could be right. But if he is saying that al-Qaeda is the greatest threat to the security of the American people; with “security” being defined as our physical lives, our liberties, our property and our prosperity; then he is absolutely wrong. No, the greatest threat to the lives, the liberties, the property and the prosperity of the American people has always been, and remains to this day, our very own government.

To those 9/11 skeptics who commented above: Come on now, you know how this game is played. You know who holds the aces and trumps – or if not who exactly, at least you know it's not the Randolph Bourne Institute. Nobody questions 9/11 without getting slapped down, and the more prominent the questioner, the harder and more merciless the slap. Your comments were published on the Anti War web site, weren't they? Doesn't that tell you something? You wouldn't have received the same courtesy from Kos, or Huffpo, or Drudge. Give Justin some credit here and read between the lines.

But isn't it pathetic that people have to play this song and dance amongst puppet masters who ultimately call the shots? In the end you could just as well pat yourself on the back for your "2 minute hate"… a-la 1984, for all the good that it does.

J. Clifton

I agree with Shishlakji. All big sites wrestle with positioning themselves to avoid being vulnerable to marginalization, litigation, or being diverted away from their main cause. RonPaulForums shuffles thousands of 9/11 truth posts to a "Hot Topics' forum ghetto to please their vocal anti-truther minority, even though Paul supports an independent inquiry. If you go to Alex Jones's sites, the issue is front and center, but related subjects are actively downplayed (such as the dominant Israeli/Mossad connection to 9/11) such that the site can avoid being bombarded with the "anti-semitism" charge. By mentioning the issue in the 'official' way Justin (by now) knows the truthers here will say openly what AWC safely cannot. So the truth will out, after a fashion.

Justin Raimondo is the editorial director of Antiwar.com, and a senior fellow at the Randolph Bourne Institute. He is a contributing editor at The American Conservative, and writes a monthly column for Chronicles. He is the author of Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement [Center for Libertarian Studies, 1993; Intercollegiate Studies Institute, 2000], and An Enemy of the State: The Life of Murray N. Rothbard [Prometheus Books, 2000].