So they cost 4-5 times less, they last twice as long in 'standby' devices, eg. remote controls, and you don't have any start-up costs (charger).

So how much is a free recharge really worth?

I payed 2€ per Eneloop AA,and 0,34€ per Duracell AA,the charger was already available (and that's why I don't calculate these costs, the question should be "what do _I_ have to pay extra in _my_ setup")

So yes, you could argue that (charging no cost for the charger) I could use 6 duracells instead of one Eneloop.

But that would also imply 6 times more waste for the same level of comfort, and in this case, I prefer to pay some € more for the environment's sake.

But that would also imply 6 times more waste for the same level of comfort, and in this case, I prefer to pay some € more for the environment's sake.

Sure, but the argument was:

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Using rechargeable batteries in remote control units isn't usually cost-effective

"the cost of recharging them is practically zero"

Which is still true, if you already have a charger.

Or, if you want, I think I payed about 30€ for mine, and use it for at least 5 years now. With about 50 charges per year, that's 12ct per charging, reducing with every charge. I'd call that "practically zero."

They should have added their product to those empty batteries that run instantaneously below the 0.9V when activated in the test and then....... oh no the monkey still does not operate even with their magic smoke product FAIL

I don't think they are clueless.I think they do this on purpose to rescue their product.If they are good enough to build a boost circuit that small, thei knew what they are doing.They only want to sell their product at high price to people which are not that good at electronic.

This is the new way of selling "snakeoil".

By the way.Does the scinentist guy knew what they are doing with his statement about batteries?

I don't think they are clueless.I think they do this on purpose to rescue their product.If they are good enough to build a boost circuit that small, thei knew what they are doing.They only want to sell their product at high price to people which are not that good at electronic.

By the way.Does the scinentist guy knew what they are doing with his statement about batteries?

Probably yes:The whole bench looks like a movie setup: The scope is running with the probe connected to the probe adjust test signal output. And the remaining space is filled with random tools and other stuff.

Well, you never know. Look at the equipment. Never underestimate human stupidity.Is this guy in the ugly shirt supposed to be one of the developers? If so, I could really imagine that he didn't quite get the problem with this open load voltage comparison.Besides, the statement from the 1st vid is like "batteries are different - just believe us". The one one from the 2nd video is like "batteries are different - and there are very complex technical reasons for this (that we just googled without understanding the real issue)".

Adding the "risk" when using alkaline battery which I think worth considering, especially in an expensive T&M instruments.

This photo was taken at Oct 2013, watch the expiry date at the cell. They were the standard batteries came with Fluke 287, and was installed in the meter (Fluke distributor's showroom) when I bought it for cheaper price as its a show unit. The meter was showing full bar at the battery indicator when they're installed, and also I did a brief "loaded" test and they were still fresh.

Just a reminder as well, remember to check your T&M instruments periodically if you are still using alkaline cells. Currently I'm a fanatic Eneloop user, and there are no alkaline cells allowed in my house, period.

The damages at the meter's battery contacts

I'm aware of Energizer warranty claim, its just not worth it for such expensive instruments, besides in my place, the damage claim could ended up for months in their bureaucracy , and there is no guarantee that they will replace or fix the device damaged by their battery.

I dont quite understand who the target audience is in regards to the toy monkey clips.

It's something they can post on their Facebook page to all the plebs to make them sound like they know what they are talking about when somebody links in my video.Obviously it's a direct response to my video, and of course they can't answer any of the criticism, so they have to invoke this deception (which is technically correct without any context) that batteries and and power supplies aren't the same thing, therefore my entire video, blog post, and all my evidence is wrong