I noticed the hell out of that. But it's stock in trade man, that's what they do. Very important for the cause.

I will always remember a play we did in 5th grade, for the entire grade. There was an actual gas mask as a prop, and one kid put it on, and the audience of children was told this would be what all kids would have to do, in order to play outside, in ten years.

Gas masks, so weird with their big eyes and weird trumpety mouth, are terrifying to kids... we were all pretty shocked. I remember that lesson completely, even today: by 1982, it will be THAT BAD.

But I'm sure many of us just grew up and realized that this is how it works, we should be scaring the shit out of the children. It's good for them, like hitting them with sticks was good for the previous generations.

Rail is better. Even if they increase the number of cars, it's still going to be a bottleneck both in quantity and cost. Plus the increased revenue to the railways for new infrastructure helps everyone who ships or travels by rail, while a pipeline is single-purpose.

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Like always, it will probably come down to money. And it wonít be about jobs (Pipeline Jobs), regardless of which end of the spectrum you believe, because there just isnít enough jobs to matter compared to the value of the oil itself and the refinery capacity. Itís simply cheaper and quicker to transport by pipeline than by rail or by truck. The difference in cost is about $50 billion a year for shipping via the Keystone versus rail, totally eclipsing any economic effect of jobs in either direction.

They have cleared the flat where I think they will dig the hole for the machine to bore under the creek cleared out.
To the left is the rock I thought they would bore under.

But they are also working to the right of the flat, and up behind that is the gun club... hmm.

So I drove up the club driveway and lo and behold a pit and machinery.

I didn't get closer because I don't want to become a persona non grata just yet. Apparently I guessed wrong and the line went
around the club and will come down to the flat from the right side avoiding the ledge completely.

I thought of this thread over the weekend as I was on a whirlwind trip up to NJ.

I've driven this stretch of road countless times. It's the major route up the East Coast if you are taking the Commodore Barry Bridge and 295 to avoid the tolls on the turnpike in New Jersey.

EVERY SINGLE TIME I come to this particular block in Chester county, and I'm flying by on the highway I spend those 10 seconds or so just looking at this neighborhood and feeling such empathy for the poor sad souls who live in these houses. Can you imagine what it's like for them? A steady stream of trucks and cars 15 feet from their front doors flying by at 70MPH. Seven lanes of them. Non-stop. 24 hours a day.

I must have driven this 400 foot stretch of highway 30 times or more. Maybe 50 times.

I drive that section regularly and there's a very good chance it will be on my commute next year

I believe that quality replacement windows are the solution to that kind of problem, as quality replacement windows can reduce sound by an amazing amount. I also believe that the people living right there do not have the coin for any replacement windows.

They have a bigger problem in that they live in Chester. Usually on the list of the Worst Places In America.

EVERY SINGLE TIME I come to this particular block in Chester county, and I'm flying by on the highway I spend those 10 seconds or so just looking at this neighborhood and feeling such empathy for the poor sad souls who live in these houses.

Depends on the trip, but usually the same way but in reverse. You get the toll on the bridge, but skip most of the toll on the turnpike.

On this trip, we never went over that bridge. Went up along the Delaware river and crossed a tiny bridge by Frenchtown. Went to Spruce Run Recreation Area (don't ever go here) and Beneduce Vineyards to see a show. Came back via 95 near Trenton.