McCain on abortion: Republicans should 'leave the issue alone'

Sen. John McCain on Sunday said that former Presidential nominee Mitt Romney and other Republicans had made a mistake by trying to change abortion laws and that his party should "leave the issue alone." During an interview on Fox News, host Chris Wallace noted that the presidential candidate who McCain had actively campaigned for had lost unmarried ... (more)

[Ralph Reed] "Younger voters are one of the most pro-life segments of the electorate, with 51% of college-age “millennials” stating that having an abortion is morally wrong. A 2012 survey of voters 30 years or younger by NARAL Pro-Choice America found that pro-life voters were twice as likely as their pro-choice peers to say abortion is an important issue in determining their vote.

"Despite the Obama campaign’s accusation of a Republican 'war on women,' Mr. Obama actually won women by a narrower margin than he did in 2008; he lost married women by seven points. Nor did single women—who went heavily Mr. Obama’s way—vote on reproductive issues. Forty-five percent of single women voters listed jobs and the economy as their most important issues, while only 8% said abortion."

More conventional "wisdom" that isn't worth a bucket of warm spit.[Ralph Reed] "Younger voters are one of the most pro-life segments of the electorate, with 51% of college-age “millennials” stating that having an abortion is morally wrong. A 2012 survey of voters 30 years or younger by NARAL Pro-Choice America found that pro-life voters were twice as likely as their pro-choice peers to say abortion is an important issue in determining their vote."Despite the Obama campaign’s accusation of a Republican 'war on women,' Mr. Obama actually won women by a narrower margin than he did in 2008; he lost married women by seven points. Nor did single women—who went heavily Mr. Obama’s way—vote on reproductive issues. Forty-five percent of single women voters listed jobs and the economy as their most important issues, while only 8% said abortion."

You are correct...the more intelligent the woman, the more likely she is to realize the immorality of abortion. The proaborts you see here are not representing most women. Most are Godless, and militant.

More conventional "wisdom" that isn't worth a bucket of warm spit.[Ralph Reed] "Younger voters are one of the most pro-life segments of the electorate, with 51% of college-age “millennials” stating that having an abortion is morally wrong. A 2012 survey of voters 30 years or younger by NARAL Pro-Choice America found that pro-life voters were twice as likely as their pro-choice peers to say abortion is an important issue in determining their vote."Despite the Obama campaign’s accusation of a Republican 'war on women,' Mr. Obama actually won women by a narrower margin than he did in 2008; he lost married women by seven points. Nor did single women—who went heavily Mr. Obama’s way—vote on reproductive issues. Forty-five percent of single women voters listed jobs and the economy as their most important issues, while only 8% said abortion."

<quoted text>You are correct...the more intelligent the woman, the more likely she is to realize the immorality of abortion. The proaborts you see here are not representing most women. Most are Godless, and militant.

You call reaching a decision on a whim, or on a feeling a display of intelligence?

I say the intelligent woman first realizes she has a choice, second, makes the appropriate choice for her, and third, is prepared to live with the consequences of her actions, regardless of whether it is abortion, adoption, or motherhood.

Morality has no influence in the decision of an intelligent mind.

And if abortion is that immoral, explain Hosea 13:16. Explain why my religion (Judaism) mandates that an abortion be performed if at any stage of the pregnancy, the mother's life is threatened.

<quoted text>You call reaching a decision on a whim, or on a feeling a display of intelligence?I say the intelligent woman first realizes she has a choice, second, makes the appropriate choice for her, and third, is prepared to live with the consequences of her actions, regardless of whether it is abortion, adoption, or motherhood.Morality has no influence in the decision of an intelligent mind.And if abortion is that immoral, explain Hosea 13:16. Explain why my religion (Judaism) mandates that an abortion be performed if at any stage of the pregnancy, the mother's life is threatened.Explain, intelligently, those two things.

Your first statement makes no sense whatsoever. I stated that he more intelligent the woman, the more likely she is to know abortion is immoral. Secondly, yes morality has influence in the decision. I do believe in cases of the life of the mother, abortion must be done. Also rape, and incest. Meanwhile, I'm excited to be going to the march for life in Washington in January, along with my two nieces...aged 19 and 17. They are strongly prolife as well. You must stand up for what you believe in in this life, and I will not be deterred. Not by anyone.

Your first statement makes no sense whatsoever. I stated that he more intelligent the woman, the more likely she is to know abortion is immoral. Secondly, yes morality has influence in the decision. I do believe in cases of the life of the mother, abortion must be done. Also rape, and incest. Meanwhile, I'm excited to be going to the march for life in Washington in January, along with my two nieces...aged 19 and 17. They are strongly prolife as well. You must stand up for what you believe in in this life, and I will not be deterred. Not by anyone.

Actually, CD's statement makes a great deal of sense, to anyone who isn't an anti-choice fanatic. Since you are one of those, I'm not surprised that his statement "made no sense" to you.

In any case, I think Sen. McCain's statement was correct, that republicans need to leave the issue of abortion alone. It's not the business of older men to dictate sexual and reproductive choices for women, whether these men are aging politicians or aging church clerics.

Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, even if a pregnancy has happened. That means a woman can opt OUT of motherhood if she doesn't ever want pregnancy or children or if she is DONE having kids and doesn't want any more. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision. Simple as that.

<quoted text>Your first statement makes no sense whatsoever. I stated that he more intelligent the woman, the more likely she is to know abortion is immoral.

Look kay kay, I know you're handicapped by the sheer loss of intellect brought about by your ultra right-wing extremist mentality. But, please try and follow the bouncing ball here; morality is a set of values that are largely attributed to emotional state (fear of G-d for example, or the proverbial "what would everyone think if...."). Intelligence has absolutely and unequivocally no bearing on whether a woman is moral or immoral. Many super intelligent women I know, even I in my left-of-center mentality, would consider "immoral." But, that consideration is limited to MY interpretation of morality and not theirs.

So, with that in mind does my statement make sense to you now, or do I have to draw you a connect-the-dots picture in crayon?

kaylayossi wrote:

Secondly, yes morality has influence in the decision. I do believe in cases of the life of the mother, abortion must be done. Also rape, and incest. Meanwhile, I'm excited to be going to the march for life in Washington in January, along with my two nieces...aged 19 and 17. They are strongly prolife as well. You must stand up for what you believe in in this life, and I will not be deterred. Not by anyone.

Well good for you. I hope you and your two nieces have a wonderful time.

But the questions are:

1- Who are you to judge my morality based on the fact that I differ in the idea of abortion with you?

2- Am I immoral because I uphold, and not only because of my religious beliefs that the life of the fetus is secondary to the life of the mother and because since the mother is born and the fetus is, well, unborn, the latter has no rights whatsoever that would supersede the rights of the former?

3- Who are you to question a woman's morality based on the fact that she elects to not go through a pregnancy, given her own set of individual reasons, over which you have absolutely no privity, or right thereof?

This is America; land of the free. And G-d himself does not question our decisions, given the greatest gift he's given us; free will. We are, however, held accountable for our decisions, and such accountability is between man and G-d, not between man, or in this case women, YOU or your ilk, and then G-d.

Abortion has existed since women began having menstrual periods. So do everyone a favor; listen to John McCain and leave the f*cking issue alone.

<quoted text>Actually, CD's statement makes a great deal of sense, to anyone who isn't an anti-choice fanatic. Since you are one of those, I'm not surprised that his statement "made no sense" to you.In any case, I think Sen. McCain's statement was correct, that republicans need to leave the issue of abortion alone. It's not the business of older men to dictate sexual and reproductive choices for women, whether these men are aging politicians or aging church clerics.Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, even if a pregnancy has happened. That means a woman can opt OUT of motherhood if she doesn't ever want pregnancy or children or if she is DONE having kids and doesn't want any more. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision. Simple as that.

Hey O; how've you been darling?

See, this is the paradox that will always hunt the pro-lifers, and which they'll never admit, but gives us pro-choicers a lot of opportunity to slap the sh*t out of them with it:

Many, if not all pro-lifers believe that "life" starts at conception. And if that's true, and I'm not admitting it is, then G-d is the greatest abortionist of them all, since 60% of zygotes, or fertilized eggs (which according to their belief means life has started) do not implant in the uterus and are discharged in normal menstrual flow.

They can tap dance around the issue with the proverbial "that's G-d's choice and he can make that choice" but they'll never admit that such is, in fact an abortion.

Then I'll just throw Hosea 13:16 in their face and shut their pie holes up.

<quoted text>Your first statement makes no sense whatsoever. I stated that he more intelligent the woman, the more likely she is to know abortion is immoral. Secondly, yes morality has influence in the decision. I do believe in cases of the life of the mother, abortion must be done. Also rape, and incest. Meanwhile, I'm excited to be going to the march for life in Washington in January, along with my two nieces...aged 19 and 17. They are strongly prolife as well. You must stand up for what you believe in in this life, and I will not be deterred. Not by anyone.

Hey kay kay, just wanted you to know that if Planned Parenthood was privatized, as your slogan says, there would be a lot of rich conservatives who would invest in a privatized Planned Parenthood, just so they could get in a share of the pie. You do realize that health care is one of the most lucrative businesses in America; don't you?

<quoted text>Look kay kay, I know you're handicapped by the sheer loss of intellect brought about by your ultra right-wing extremist mentality. But, please try and follow the bouncing ball here; morality is a set of values that are largely attributed to emotional state (fear of G-d for example, or the proverbial "what would everyone think if...."). Intelligence has absolutely and unequivocally no bearing on whether a woman is moral or immoral. Many super intelligent women I know, even I in my left-of-center mentality, would consider "immoral." But, that consideration is limited to MY interpretation of morality and not theirs.So, with that in mind does my statement make sense to you now, or do I have to draw you a connect-the-dots picture in crayon?<quoted text>Well good for you. I hope you and your two nieces have a wonderful time.But the questions are:1- Who are you to judge my morality based on the fact that I differ in the idea of abortion with you?2- Am I immoral because I uphold, and not only because of my religious beliefs that the life of the fetus is secondary to the life of the mother and because since the mother is born and the fetus is, well, unborn, the latter has no rights whatsoever that would supersede the rights of the former?3- Who are you to question a woman's morality based on the fact that she elects to not go through a pregnancy, given her own set of individual reasons, over which you have absolutely no privity, or right thereof?This is America; land of the free. And G-d himself does not question our decisions, given the greatest gift he's given us; free will. We are, however, held accountable for our decisions, and such accountability is between man and G-d, not between man, or in this case women, YOU or your ilk, and then G-d.Abortion has existed since women began having menstrual periods. So do everyone a favor; listen to John McCain and leave the f*cking issue alone.

You are nothing more than a pompous ass, and condescending pig. I have more class and intelligence than you'll ever have. Don't post to me again, you won't be answered again. Putrid proabort.

Hey O; how've you been darling?See, this is the paradox that will always hunt the pro-lifers, and which they'll never admit, but gives us pro-choicers a lot of opportunity to slap the sh*t out of them with it:Many, if not all pro-lifers believe that "life" starts at conception. And if that's true, and I'm not admitting it is, then G-d is the greatest abortionist of them all, since 60% of zygotes, or fertilized eggs (which according to their belief means life has started) do not implant in the uterus and are discharged in normal menstrual flow.They can tap dance around the issue with the proverbial "that's G-d's choice and he can make that choice" but they'll never admit that such is, in fact an abortion.Then I'll just throw Hosea 13:16 in their face and shut their pie holes up.

Hey, CD, I've been great; hope you and your family had a terrific Thanksgiving.

As to your other statements, I'm in complete agreement. The faith-based anti-choicers like kaykay can't admit anything that doesn't support their often-idiotic beliefs. She's a lot like her so-called "classy guy" that LOST the election three weeks ago.:-)

<quoted text>You are nothing more than a pompous ass, and condescending pig. I have more class and intelligence than you'll ever have. Don't post to me again, you won't be answered again. Putrid proabort.

If you keep putting everyone on ignore that you don't agree with, why are even here? This is a debate forum, after all.

Stop being such a whiny little girl because you can't refute the facts you are presented with.

You are nothing more than a pompous ass, and condescending pig. I have more class and intelligence than you'll ever have. Don't post to me again, you won't be answered again. Putrid proabort.

Now THIS is funny. You "won't answer" CD's posts again because you don't HAVE any answers to begin with, which I've known for a long time, but thanks for providing the proof publicly. As for class and intelligence, you are conspicuously lacking in BOTH.

How can they just "leave the issue alone"? A vast majorty of women want to know what a candidate's position is on choice.What doe a Rethug say? No comment? Or, I prefer to not talk about it?Choice - abortion - is a MAJOR issue and it cannot be just left alone as the Cons would wish.A candidate does not get to pick and choose what issues he wants to talk about.

Only the GOP has made this an issue.WOmen will have all the abortions they want weather it is legal or not. and no it is not a major issue. ONly 10% atually give a crap

<quoted text>You are nothing more than a pompous ass, and condescending pig. I have more class and intelligence than you'll ever have. Don't post to me again, you won't be answered again. Putrid proabort.

What's the matter kaykay; truth hurts? I'll post to you, or anyone else, anytime I want and there isn't a g-ddamned thing you can do about it.

Now, if you really have more class and intelligence than I'll ever have, walk the walk and answer my questions; here they are restated:

1- Who are you to judge my morality based on the fact that I differ in the idea of abortion with you?

2- Am I immoral because I uphold, and not only because of my religious beliefs that the life of the fetus is secondary to the life of the mother and because since the mother is born and the fetus is, well, unborn, the latter has no rights whatsoever that would supersede the rights of the former?

3- Who are you to question a woman's morality based on the fact that she elects to not go through a pregnancy, given her own set of individual reasons, over which you have absolutely no privity, or right thereof?

Let's see how much intelligence and class, or for that matter, morality, you really have.

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