First: The other day I posted a link to a piece by Michael Kimmel on Breivik and the sexual politics of far-right thought. It turned out that the article was a draft that got published prematurely.

Now the final version of the post is officially up at Sociological Images: A tale of two terrorists redux. Kimmel argues that what we know about Breivik thus far

indicate[s] that … it will be impossible to fully understand this horrific act without understanding how gender operates as a rhetorical and political device for domestic terrorists.

These members of the far right consider themselves Christian Crusaders for Aryan Manhood, vowing its rescue from a feminizing welfare state. Theirs is the militarized manhood of the heroic John Rambo – a manhood that celebrates their God-sanctioned right to band together in armed militias if anyone, or any governmental agency, tries to take it away from them. If the state and capital emasculate them, and if the masculinity of the “others” is problematic, then only “real” white men can rescue the American Eden or the bucolic Norwegian countryside from a feminized, multicultural, androgynous immigrant-inspired melting pot.

[T]here’s definitely a strong link between misogyny and violence that can’t be denied. Misogynists are far likelier to be violent people than non-misogynists, which is why rape and wife-beating are such common crimes. (Domestic violence is the number one cause of injury for women 15-44.) All bigotry provokes violence at its ends, of course. This isn’t the Oppression Olympics. But misogyny and violence go hand in hand so often because misogynists really buy deeply into the idea that women are weak and men are “strong”, by which they mean aggressive. A steady drumbeat of misogynist thought couldn’t be better designed to reach the unhinged and cause them to lash out violently, all while imagining themselves to be big, tough men who claim they were forced—with “why did you make me do this?” being the battle cry of wife beaters—into violence.

I don’t argue with you any longer, but remember that I officially declare war to you. The time for talk is over. You are an open enemy of me because you sit on the same planet as me with the important difference that you try to destroy it. This act of aggression against planet Earth is a declaration of war to me, to the anarcho-primitivist movement, to the Anti-Humanist movement, to the followers of Pentti Linkola, in short to all decent people. So the time for talk is over, I don’t want to go to war against you, but you leave me no choice, it’s just self-defense. And don’t cry when the next beauty clinic blows up or another decadent unnecessary institution. We will capture fat people right when they’re waiting for liposuction and force them to loose weight the natural way (Molly?). Then you will be shocked how you could mock us, like you were with Breivik, you mocked them until he said to himself “I will be mocked no more!”.

In all of our meandering, it took me a bit to notice just how perfectly Marc’s flouncing comment fits with the actual topic of the post.

“A steady drumbeat of misogynist thought couldn’t be better designed to reach the unhinged and cause them to lash out violently, all while imagining themselves to be big, tough men who claim they were forced—with “why did you make me do this?” being the battle cry of wife beaters—into violence.”

“So the time for talk is over, I don’t want to go to war against you, but you leave me no choice, it’s just self-defense. And don’t cry when the next beauty clinic blows up or another decadent unnecessary institution. We will capture fat people right when they’re waiting for liposuction and force them to loose weight the natural way (Molly?). Then you will be shocked how you could mock us, like you were with Breivik, you mocked them until he said to himself “I will be mocked no more!”.”

Everyone hates me for linking to Manboobz. I have seriously gotten so many comments and emails along the lines of “NSWATM is great! Why do you link to Manboobz?” and it’s like, “well, because about 90% of NSWATM writers and a shitload of the people who read us are regular Manboobz commenters.”

Honestly, I think Manboobz has done a lot to HELP men’s rights… I think it’s gotten a lot of feminists to start blogging about issues that affect men, or at least keep that in mind.. it’s got a lot of feminists realizing that there’s a hole to fill that is not being filled by The Spearhead, and etc xD and it’s helped NSWATM get it’s readers, contributers and etc

plus it introduced a whole new segment of the blogosphere to me! xD

The whole “fat shaming will stop ppl being fat” is ridic -_- It reminds me of the whole “if society stopped coddling queer and trans ppl, ppl wouldn’t be queer and trans nemore!” um yeah… have you looked around society? xD If insulting, shaming, harassing and KILLING us, made ppl not be trans and queer, it’d have happened a long time ago -_-

My goal is still for the Spearhead to write about me xD

C’mon, the feminists alrdy have whole threads about me! xD So do the vegetarians, the comic book geeks.. somethingawful, a fandom snark site.. and even one of the chans! xD

So…uh…anyone have a favorite TV show? I’m currently going through Mad Men and Babylon 5.
I love B5! Also Star Trek (except Voyager and Enterprise), Farscape, and Firefly. I just finished Sarah Connor Chronicles. At some point, I plan to get into Blake’s Seven.

“But I was struck by this (which seems typical of his difficulties with consistency/logic)

1: People are destructive to the environment.
2: Therefore the number of people must be reduced.

1: Camels are destructive to the environment.
2: Reducing the number of camels is immoral.”

According to Marc, it’s the humans who are doing damage to the environment, and them solely. He was pretty much dismissing that Camels could in any way be linked to Global Warming (a little soundbyte of his that was proven to be false. As someone else has said in this thread before, feral Camels were being killed off, but not because of global warming).

Can I hate both sides. Wait a minute why am I asking permission yes I can. Both loud mouthed college feminists and “Mens rights activists” strike me as shrill entitled children. Mens rights activists seem worse sure but that goes without saying, nobody actually takes them seriously. I believe in equality between the sexes. Is that a movement anymore? I would totally sign up for that. That agenda however seems to have died with the 70s. The modern feminists seem like they just want to have a battle of the sexes, they live in this weird contradiction of insisting women are perpetual victims and yet claiming that women aren’t just equal but better than men. In essence they don’t want to win, and eliminate the social construct of sexism/patriarchy/whatever you wanna call it. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Its seems modern feminisms primary spokespersons are women of quite a lot of privilege and yet they use their female status to claim the exact opposite. To me it seems to be some escape from white liberal guilt. Anyone who too strongly identifies with either their race or gender is suspect to me, its like good job on being born, you got anything to show for it?

No feminist today thinks that women are perpetual victims; if that “perpetual victim” narrative actually pervaded feminist discourse, then feminists would just give up and stop being feminists because they wouldn’t see any purpose in advocating equal rights and respect for women. There are so many feminists who argue that patriarchy isn’t a permanent power structure that you must be either clueless or very disingenuous when you accuse them of arguing otherwise.

And when feminists say that women are equal to men, it’s quite obvious that they are arguing that men and women are inherently equal in regards to intelligence, moral character, etc. Obviously feminists recognize that men and women aren’t equal with respect to sexual victimization, intimate partner violence, abuse, wages, and so on.

Also, women can still be privileged, but not for being female; they can be privileged as a result of being white, cis, heterosexual, able-bodied, etc. So your point about many feminist spokespeople being privileged is really just a non-argument.

You’re yet another anti-feminist who regurgitates the same old straw men against feminism. We’re tired of shitheads like you. How about you actually take the time to read up on feminism instead of showing us how ignorant and/or disingenuous you are?

I’ve never understood the coy remark of “They want to have their cake and eat it too”.

Eating the cake one has is the very point of possessing cake. If one wants to have a cake and eat it, that’s… that’s not an insult. That’s enjoying a delicious good.

Now, if you’d gone: “They want to have their cake cryogenically frozen and stored for all eternity against the vast entropy of the universe, to forever admire the conditment and the storied crust of marzipan most fine”, well, then we would be talking.

Fibinachi — I read somewhere or another that we’ve corrupted it, it used to be “eat your cake and have it too” which actually makes sense. Once you eat it, your stomach has it 🙂

Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, whatever shall we do with you? Feminism got out of hand when second wave feminism ceased being a thing? So like, trans feminism shouldn’t exist since second wavers were big on gender essentialism?

“Anyone who too strongly identifies with either their race or gender is suspect to me, its like good job on being born, you got anything to show for it?”

Yeah sorry pal but biology =/= gender. So no, my gender is not merely a product of having been born, and seeing how non-binary people are barely recognized, even in trans* communities, you can bet that high and mighty ass of yours that I identify with my gender! What have I got to show for being born? Show of hands, who here’s learned at least a bit about trans* issues from my willingness to answer questions?

Tyler, there you have a display of wtf I’ve done that you can confirm despite the limits of the internet. You?

Also SIR PECUNIUM!! Apparently none of us have done shit besides being born! And the Argenti wants another anti-torture lecture, combine these things?

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