LOL, the last polling showed Obama with a consistent 2%+ advantage in Ohio. The last Rasmussen poll (10/23) in Ohio was tied. Literally every other poll has shown Obama ahead with the latest conducted on 10/28 by from Public Policy Polling with a 4% advantage.

you seemed to put stock in them not too long ago. as a matter of fact you used it as your only defense against requests for other polls.

Absolutely, hands down, without a doubt made my day. I have to give it to Eco, he made me laugh out loud. To say that when all it takes is to go back one or two pages in this very thread to see otherwise is amazingly ballsy.

Whether Obama serves a second term or hands the reins to Romney, we will face another four years of Bush's policies.

The war on terrorism defined Bush's tenure. Obama has embraced virtually every significant aspect of Bush's national security strategy. The current administration has signed off on warrantless wiretapping and has claimed the authority to start wars even in the face of explicit congressional opposition. The White House has hid behind a shroud of extreme secrecy, invoking the Espionage Act against whistleblowers and stonewalling torture investigation by revising the Freedom of Information Act through executive order. The FBI has continued its crackdown on dissenters and infiltrations of peaceful political groups. Obama has even formalized the most extreme Bush-era claim of executive power -- the authority to detain American citizens indefinitely without charge. His administration has gone even further to claim the president can kill any suspected terrorist in the world by drone bombing, describing his personal mental calculation over such decisions as "due process."

you seemed to put stock in them not too long ago. as a matter of fact you used it as your only defense against requests for other polls.

Absolutely, hands down, without a doubt made my day. I have to give it to Eco, he made me laugh out loud. To say that when all it takes is to go back one or two pages in this very thread to see otherwise is amazingly ballsy.

I rarely visit RCP, I visited it for the first time ever when Romney took the lead in the Electoral College. That started your word vomit about RCPs no swing electoral college poll, which lead to an attempt at wit on your part.

Secondly, on one hand you all spout nonsensical gibberish accusing me of focussing too much on national polls and how superior sites like RCP are and the other you state that I'm some how a diehard fan of RCP. Can't have it both ways.

Hadn't seen that poll, it's not included in 538 yet. It still goes against all of the other polling in the state over the last 2 weeks (If not longer). It's in the same boat as the Gallup poll that showed Romney up by 7%. Outliers (in either direction) don't count.

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Nearly one-in-three Ohio voters (32%) have already cast their ballots. Obama leads 62% to 36% among these voters. Romney has a large lead among those who still plan to vote. The question of who wins Ohio may come down to whether enough Romney voters get to the polls on Election Day to overcome the president’s lead among early voters.

Whether Obama serves a second term or hands the reins to Romney, we will face another four years of Bush's policies.

The war on terrorism defined Bush's tenure. Obama has embraced virtually every significant aspect of Bush's national security strategy. The current administration has signed off on warrantless wiretapping and has claimed the authority to start wars even in the face of explicit congressional opposition. The White House has hid behind a shroud of extreme secrecy, invoking the Espionage Act against whistleblowers and stonewalling torture investigation by revising the Freedom of Information Act through executive order. The FBI has continued its crackdown on dissenters and infiltrations of peaceful political groups. Obama has even formalized the most extreme Bush-era claim of executive power -- the authority to detain American citizens indefinitely without charge. His administration has gone even further to claim the president can kill any suspected terrorist in the world by drone bombing, describing his personal mental calculation over such decisions as "due process."

This is the biggest reason Obama won't be getting my vote. Civil liberties have always been a huge issue for me and Obama is a complete and total disappointment in his lack of regard for the 4th and 5th amendments.

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I have to admit to having similar issues with Obama. I've said previously he's disappointed me in some things (this being the biggest). Unfortunately, I fear a Romney presidency will result in even more stringent laws of this nature. Combined with Romney's troubled economic platform which I feel will result in even more unemployment and a slower economy, I'm stuck with a "devil I know" scenario.

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This is the biggest reason Obama won't be getting my vote. Civil liberties have always been a huge issue for me and Obama is a complete and total disappointment in his lack of regard for the 4th and 5th amendments.

I agree that he's been a total disappointment in regards to civil liberties. Unfortunately, you might as well vote for Mickey Mouse if you're expecting anyone to change it. Milquetoast isn't planning on rolling back any of that either. Absolute power corrupts absolutely...

This is the biggest reason Obama won't be getting my vote. Civil liberties have always been a huge issue for me and Obama is a complete and total disappointment in his lack of regard for the 4th and 5th amendments.

I agree that he's been a total disappointment in regards to civil liberties. Unfortunately, you might as well vote for Mickey Mouse if you're expecting anyone to change it. Milquetoast isn't planning on rolling back any of that either. Absolute power corrupts absolutely...

Yeah I know Mitt would have done the exact same thing in Obama's place, so Johnson will be getting my vote. I'll admit that I have waffled and thought about going Obama, especially since Ohio is so close in the polls, but I really cannot vote for someone who supports indefinitely detaining Americans, has actually ramped up the war on drugs, and thinks the TSA is ok.

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Unfortunately, voting for anyone but Romney or Obama is just tossing your vote away at this point. As I said, it's the lesser of two evils now.

I don't agree with that. Voting for an independent is still making a statement. If Obama or Romney lose Ohio by 1 vote they will then start looking at all of the 3rd party votes and wonder why they didn't get those people. They would then just have to look at that third party candidate's stances to get their answer. Plus I refuse to vote for the lessor of two evils when both evils believe that safety comes before liberty.

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I rarely visit RCP, I visited it for the first time ever when Romney took the lead in the Electoral College. That started your word vomit about RCPs no swing electoral college poll, which lead to an attempt at wit on your part.

Translated: I rarely visit any polling site that doesn't agree with my POV, until it does, which then turns it into the sole voice of truth.

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Secondly, on one hand you all spout nonsensical gibberish accusing me of focussing too much on national polls and how superior sites like RCP are and the other you state that I'm some how a diehard fan of RCP. Can't have it both ways.

It's simple. I rarely visit poll sites from any other referrer outside of Drudge, Gamingtrend, and Twitter. IThe methodology each poll uses is of no concern to me. They're irrelevant to me. Prior to you all's commitment of focusing on poling methodology and which polls I look at, I gave them little thought. I could care less about Nate Silver or whoever else. Historically I've used polls to gauge momentum or shifts. This,conversation started because I posted in response to the idea that Obama has some big lead, I posted proof that things have shifted drastically. Are there still polls with O leading? Of course, but my point that started this sideshow discussion garbage, was and still is accurate. Anyone that thinks this is in the bag for either candidate is delusional.

You live in a dream world. Using any reputable poll as an argument that the election is not in the bag for a candidate is an appropriate refute. The only polls I've quoted from or referred to are RCP (which you all adore), Gallup and Rasmussen.