>Aelita (Russian: Аэли́та, pronounced [aɛˈlʲita]), also known as Aelita: Queen of Mars, is a silent film directed by Soviet filmmaker Yakov Protazanov made at the Mezhrabpom-Rus film studio and released in 1924.
>It primarily tells of a young man, Los (Russian: Лось, literally Elk), traveling to Mars in a rocket ship, where he leads a popular uprising against the ruling group of Elders, with the support of Queen Aelita who has fallen in love with him after watching him through a telescope.

If you seriously believe aliens exist you have fallen victim to marxist Soviet delusions.

>The general position of what is often referred to as the New Atheist movement is that atheists approach life through logic and empirical evidence (science) whereas religious people rely on faith and feelings. Many atheists would argue that they do not believe in something unless there is a good reason for doing so. But is this true?

>Atheists denounce the magical thinking that is derived from traditional religious narratives and faiths. However, they are open to other beliefs that lack scientific support. Turns out, even atheists are willing to take a leap of faith.

Indeed the fact-finding, theory-stress-testing habits of scientific bodies are only accessible to professional scientists who are sufficiently trained in the field to not waste their peers' time in the review process.

Maybe he forgot to wear his tinfoil hat? He is so enlightened by his intelligence that he knows that the aliens are trying to abduct him by using mind control technology transmitted from the mothership. Or perhaps it's just another mentally ill wacko sitting by his computer day and night while typing out all his nutty conspiracy fantasies.

http://www.stopabductions.com/>How The Thought Screen Helmet Works
>Aliens cannot immobilize people wearing thought screens nor can they control their minds or communicate with them using their telepathy. When aliens can't communicate or control humans, they do not take them.

It doesn't matter if you answer the unanswerable questions with stories of deities or stories of aliens, as long as the myth of your choice satisfies your hungry mind, so you can bring yourself to accept that you are not the most important thing in the world and you can bear to behave in a decent way.

This very outcome is the only thing that counts, here. How you get to it is entirely your private issue.

Listen, mister teenage angst. Buy yourself a mind control deflection hat from Michael Menkin, buy a fedora to put beneath it, load up on ammunition and rifles and go on a killing spree if you think nothing matters.

While your at it, quote some Ayn Rand while relieving your dark and edgy sociopathic urges.

>Delusions of control – Belief that your thoughts or actions are being controlled by outside, alien forces. Common delusions of control include thought broadcasting (“My private thoughts are being transmitted to others”), thought insertion (“Someone is planting thoughts in my head”), and thought withdrawal (“The CIA is robbing me of my thoughts”).

Fogel Fry pretty much fit that description. Atheistic Internet lunatic that types nonsensical, fedora tipping conspiracy theories that stem from his own mental illness. To top it off he's a Kafka-esque, whiny pussy that can only refer to everything as 'myths' because he's lost in his own little world full of delusions and emotional instability

I wonder how people actually can say that they believe in aliens with a straight face. So called "close encounters" are just schizophrenic ramblings from people that have abused too many narcotic substances.

Mad? Not at all. I'm not relying on "what if" arguments, I'm relying on probability. I'm not saying aliens do or don't, but there is a high probability that there is some sort of life on other planets. Even if it's just bacteria.

There you go again. "What if aliens exist? Then surely it's just bacteria but since I can't rely on any actual evidence I'll just concede that advanced civilizations are pure fedora tipping Star Wars fantasies".

The only thing more stupid than a rational theist, is an irrational atheist. Which is any atheist. Evidentialism is an inductionism. Basing a concept of faith, which atheism is, since it is the belief in non-entity, not a not belief in entity, (such giving off the illusion, that the atheist position does not commit to the same extent as the theist to a proper concept of general belief), on rational induction is self contradictory.

>>12880Though I believe most atheists suffer from the very issue you describe, I do believe there to be a flaw to your perception. Atheism is not based upon a faith in lack-of-god, it's based upon confidence in the apparent absence of proof of god. Absence of proof toward a postulation such as a religion CAN be the existence of proof toward a postulation such as atheism. Not by (ab)use of any logics, but by evidencing that any gods must be making themselves entirely absent except in cases where their influence can be more confidently explained by other factors, and have been for the entirety of recorded human history... except in religious books that base the truth of their claims in nothing but faith and having been around around the time.
As an evidence to the above, would anyone convert if a Mormon claimed that his books must be true, as a man named Joseph Smith did in fact live during the 1800s AND outside testimonies exist around that time claiming he was preaching the religion?

dude i am pretty sure there is this guy i dont know his name but he calculated the probabilty of aliens existing and lets say it's way high keep in mind he factored in just some of the galaxies leaving out the ones still to be proved to be exsisting

>>12763Because most atheists are not actually atheistic, they are merely religiously inverted. If a person were truly atheistic, they would have no need to disprove the religious beliefs of others--and particularly no need to disprove religious beliefs they once held. There's no logical reason to prove the non-existence of a thing which cannot be proven to exist. Seeking archeological evidence of prehistorical contact with extra-terrestrial life is one thing; seeking proof that the gods and heroes of myth and legend were actually aliens interfering in human development is a sad attempt to get back at the belief systems that have disappointed them.

>>12824>Children think evolution means things are always increasing in complexity and intelligence.
>They think evolution means chimpanzees will all turn into humans and fish will turn into lizards and there will be no more bacteria.

Yes. It becomes fairly obvious that fedora tippers only rely on guesses and their own sci-fi fetishes. Like you posted earlier it seems that this frantic obsession with aliens is a remnant from some Soviet film maker.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199403/the-harvard-professor-the-ufos>Many of them come to believe that they have been kidnapped by extraterrestrials regularly since they were children, that they are guinea pigs in an intergalactic hybrid-breeding program, and that in a close encounter of a truly original kind, they have had sperm and egg samples taken, alien fetused implanted and removed, and probes inserted in their vagina, anuses, and up their noses.
>"Some other intelligence is reaching out to us. It's the most exciting work I've ever done," claims Mack.

I think Harvard needs a tinfoil roof in order to shield itself from alien abductions.

The fact that a professor at Harvard takes these testimonies seriously is just proof that fedora lords are ridiculously dumb. The same kind of ignorance that you acquire when you think bears can turn into whales.

Why are Christians so obsessed with there not being life anywhere else in the universe? There is no credible reason to doubt that life exists elsewhere in the universe.

The problem is you're relying on ancient scribblings of guys who fucked goats in the desert in an era where we can see countless galaxies in the sky, with countless more in the gaps between them.

The hubble deep field is a patch of the sky smaller than your thumbnail. Each of the dots you see in this image is a galaxy, even the ones that don't look like galaxies. Each of those galaxies contain billions of stars, with billions of planets circling them.

Its not a religion. Its not a conspiracy. Its just math. You know, that thing you're bad at?

I love these pseudo-scientific conspiracy theories. It's like reading daily reports from a psych ward where some tinfoil hat wearing schizophrenic rambles on about how his badly digested breakfast might be a rectal probe that the aliens implanted in his colon.

>>13015I do warn you that,at 57, and thousands of debates with fanatics (be they Christian, Communists, Neo-Nazis, racists, etc.) I know all the tricks in the book. If you are interested in serious debate, fine. If you think I am a lone, sad, bitter man in desperate need for company (the stock Christian image of atheists),and that therefore you may bring me into the fold with lazy >greentext and fedora memes, you are grievously mistaken. I like nice conversations, but truth has nothing to do with being an asshole on an imaginary high horse, making fun of strawmen.

>I do warn you that,at 57, and thousands of debates with fanatics (be they Christian, Communists, Neo-Nazis, racists, etc.) I know all the tricks in the book.
>If you are interested in serious debate, fine. If you think I am a lone, sad, bitter man in desperate need for company (the stock Christian image of atheists),and that therefore you may bring me into the fold with lazy >greentext and fedora memes, you are grievously mistaken. I like nice conversations, but truth has nothing to do with being an asshole on an imaginary high horse, making fun of strawmen.

>I have reported this thread for it's non-argumentary nature.

lol

I bet the anonymous gentleman with his 9000 hours of skillful debating just realized how retarded his belief in aliens are. I wonder if he's going to watch some lectures by Stephen Hawking?

>>12763I don't think that this is a very good post. So atheists don't believe in God, but they're willing to believe in something else. How is that a surprise or point of contention for you? Is it because you believe in God or don't like when scholars get cooky and talk about being visited by alien civilizations?

Anyway, if you want my two cents, agnosticism is the only real intelligent choice, as a person who has been given any kind of working tools for logic and reason. There is just no way to concretely determine anything about God or the true nature of our existence. You can't even prove that the computer you're typing on exists, at least not to me.

>>13036If you're going to be this wrong about everything, unable to converse properly, and annoying then I suggest you go back to 4chan. You don't seem to understand a single thing about epistemology (if you even know what that is), you're not intelligent and discerning enough to differentiate between athiesm and agnosticism (are you an adult?) and for some reason you have characterized all people who don't have faih in God as believing they can contact aliens.

Just go back to your delusional and bizarre flock at 4chan or your redneck church. Wherever. I don't care. You certainly have nothing to offeecr /phi/, and not much to gain from it either.

>>13047>atheists and agnostics
If they were the same they would not need to describe it this way. In the example you chose to back up your argument they are described as two separate groups, hence the need to refer to them separately.

You may want to put some thought into future replies instead of just flinging feces at a wall.

You better watch out. Alien mind reading technology is dangerous. He will probably transfer the data to the mothership so they can abduct you when you least expect it. You're going to need multiple layers of tinfoil, preferably 5.

http://www.atheistgeeknews.com/tag/anime>The 2017 live action version of Ghost in the Shell, starring Scarlett Johansson, is upon us. I am a fan of the 1995 anime, though it isn’t a perfect movie. It’s a bit dry with a lot of speeches about identity and the nature of consciousness. But I still like it and have seen the anime several times.

Only a euphoric gentleman can appreciate the fine art of anime. Japanese culture is truly superior to degenerate Western entertainment.

>>12763Many "atheists" prioritize undermining the religion they "left" over exploring the possibilities of living without a belief in a higher power and are essentially practising an inversion of their "previous" religion. They probably hold that finding, or proving the possibility of extraterrestrial life, will instantaneously unravel all the tenets of the religion they have come to despise.

Much of our theology, and particularly Abrahamic nonsense, conflates humanity with divinity to some degree. It's probably the same biased perspective that leads "abductees" to imagine alien life in forms they are familiar with: humanoid, bipedal, evolved, etc. It is easy to mistake that--although the predominant life form on Earth--humans are not special in the universe.

Then, if I may make an argument: not to side with the "atheists", but it is indeed such limiting theology and arrogance that is at the core of the "debate" over extraterrestrial life. We know that atoms are structures with particles and it appears those particles may have substructure as well; even single-celled organisms are collections of numerous levels of structure; a collection of organisms is an ecosystem, the various regional ecosystems of our planet form a global ecosystem, or planet has weather because it orbits a star at an angle; its position in the solar system is determined by the gravitational influence of the sun and other planets on its rotating mass, ours is one of countless systems in our galaxy, which is one of many in our galactic cluster, a substructure held in a lattice-shaped superstructure that spans the known universe.

The universe is a fractal shape, with systems of life within systems of life. I think it is only a matter of time until we realize this is true from the tiniest sub-atomic particles to the most unfathomable structures we can observe. This does not disprove the existence of a higher power; rather it is evident that we are some small piece of a much greater whole. Perhaps we are the leaves on a tree, or the grass on a cattle ranch, but I find it very unlikely that we are the end-goal of all existence--existence should set better goals for itself.

Psychology; humans don't know what they want so until recently people allowed others to do the thinking for them. We've had an explosion in philosophical inquiry, everyone these days thinks that they are a philosopher (author included).

All atheists have done is select an arbitrary thing (space aliens) and invested it with great meaning. When and if aliens are found, that will be fun (or horrifying) for about 10 minutes and then they will move on to the next arbitrary amusement (or proceed to be vaporized by an advanced civilization)

>to be unwilling to accept the fact that life--in one form or another--exists elsewhere in the universe demonstrates a profound state of denial.
>to be unwilling to accept the fact
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