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The world horsepower record for the E9X M3 S65 V8 currently stands at 773 wheel horsepower and belongs to Gintani as well as BimmerBoost.com, just do not expect it to stand for very long. At Bimmerfest 2013 Gintani had the BimmerBoost.com project E92 M3 on display. They worked tirelessly to get the car ready for the event and took it to the dyno the night before. On MS109 race gas and 18.5 pounds of boost the car was able to hit 773 wheel horsepower with the completely stock DCT transmission slipping at 7250 rpm.

Looking at the dyno graph below it is easy to see where the clutches begin to slip. At about 4750 rpm the clutch slips a bit then grabs as the pull continues up to 7250 rpm where it slips again and is unable to hold the power as the car is run to its 8500 rpm redline. Regardless, 7250 rpm was enough for a new world record on the S65 V8 platform and overall on the E9X BMW platform.

Gintani will be rebuilding the cars DCT transmission and once that is complete the car will be back on the dyno for a clean run to redline and another world record. Looking at the graph, the car should conservatively be capable of ~830 wheel horsepower at 18.5 psi with MS109. What will it do on FTW Purple and 24 psi? We will eventually find out.

Enjoy the picture and graph below. There is a video included of the car at Bimmerfest 2013. A huge crowd was gathered around it. For some reason the announcer at Bimmerfest never notified the crowd that the world's most powerful E92 M3 was in the house and that a new world record had been achieved on the platform. I waited for hours for the announcement which was hand written and delivered to the announcer but to no avail. Additionally, the car did not win a single award despite being the E92 M3 on display that had the most work done to it. Perhaps it needed some tacky neon green trim and red roundels? Definitely odd and awkward considering the years of engineering that have gone into it and that Gintani was a sponsor of the event. Perhaps if a competitor was not the headline sponsor Gintani and this car would have received the acknowledgement that was deserved and earned?

Congratulations to Gintani on raising the bar to where nobody else on the platform is able to tread. This car is just getting warmed up.

1. No reaching needed you sounded like a lil girl... Its just better to embrace it at this point dude.

Haha ok man so maybe you didn't like the shirt I was wearing that day either? I better embrace your criticism lol.

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

2. A non running car is setting no example nor is your standard MO in how you address things. That being said explain the unique innovation beyond the blower upgrade for you car? I can always be wrong I'm OK with that. However last I checked this was all about the YSi blower and being the "only" or "first" car.

I never said the YSI was the 'only' one only that Gintani is the only one doing it and offering it as an option with their kits. Maybe a reading comprehension issue?

Regarding what is unique, um, well just about everything. The motor build is more involved than any other S65 build. Perhaps you already know about the issues with the head rising beyond a certain power level? And how to fix them? Or how to design the sleeves to work with the S65's relatively soft material not designed for big boost for weight savings? How about upgrading the DCT? Perhaps you know how to do it or what areas to address? Yep, nothing unique. Just a YSI that's it lol.

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

Yes you own a chunk of this and a mature person would see that. You were more than entitled to be upset and to complain to them. You aired the dude out on your site and what did it ultimately get you. You get more bee's with honey. Beyond that had you bought upgrade parts or in the case a trans and come back a year plus later saying it was wrong. Most shops would have sent you on your way... You could have gotten better results behind the scenes working with them versus airing them out. You didnt care how you looked and were bent on crapping on SSP. It was in poor taste period. It doesnt in any way detract from a bad product or build issue on their end. They do not get a pass and I have never said they should. However you own how you handled it

So once again it's my fault SSP did not deliver because I did... what? What is it I did? More bees with honey? You don't say, like free advertising for them and a dozen articles all written in support. The only 'vinegar' was me being upset that after giving them an extra YEAR beyond when SSP said it would be done they still did not deliver. Oh what a dick I am for not bothering them and giving him ample time to finish it. I should have handled it how exactly? By not being positive and supportive? By not giving them everything requested? Good point, you were there and all and clearly would have handled this more productively.

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

4. I sited more than a few cars from America to Germany to Japan in my post you singled out the so called "cheap American" cars. Meanwhile you then say you want American Boost or whatever you plan to do for the US powerhouses. Why cater to a community that you clearly have a disdain for, seems hypocritical to me but not my issue either way. In any case the BMW on the BMW site doesnt run, put down a dyno queen number and then disappeared into the darkness. The issue isnt having something constructive to say on my end, its having something constructive to show on your end. If and its a big IF, if the thing runs and stays together it will be fast for an M3. I'd love to see a built motor TT M3 vs your car, thats likely to get ugly an fast.

I don't own an American car, don't want one over the M3, and am not interested in switching platforms. I'm building an M3 thanks so much for mentioning other platforms that have nothing to do with it. Wow Mustangs can be fast? OMG shock and awe!

I plan on expanding my network to cover everything what does that have to do with a BMW build exactly?

What do you mean if it runs? How has Alex been driving it on the street then? WTF are you talking about? Once again pulling negative crap out of your rear end when you have no clue. Do you do anything else?

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

As I said already its about enjoying the cars, certainly hurdles will come with any build thats a fact. But again how you handle those things and portray them is important. You represent poorly by lashing out at people who differ in opinion and/or are critical of you or your car. I'd be more impressed if the car ran and drove without issue versus sitting for YEARS.

So me handling it by giving Gintani everything necessary to address the trans is what? Handling it poorly? I'm not having a problem with anything. I'm good. You're the one who seems to have a problem with my car as if it keeps you up at night.

THE CAR ISN'T SITTING. Last all it did was go to Bimmerfest and set a new record. Alex has been driving it, we are waiting on clutch packs to get delivered so I can run it to redline without the clutch slipping at 18.5 psi. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. What is wrong with your reading comprehension? How do I write this so you process it?

You act like there are others that are running. Where are they? Ever heard of a guy named Pencilgeek? Where is his car? But oh, it's a horrible example for the hobby and the site that someone pushes the platform and breaks records in the process?

But the difference between PG's build (a supercharged stroker) and your's is that not only does RD Sports have multiple, established and successful S65 stroker options, VAC now sells a stroker options and BOTH can be successfully supercharged.

Your car is still not 100%

Originally Posted by Sticky

The motor build is more involved than any other S65 build. Perhaps you already know about the issues with the head rising beyond a certain power level? And how to fix them? Or how to design the sleeves to work with the S65's relatively soft material not designed for big boost for weight savings? How about upgrading the DCT? Perhaps you know how to do it or what areas to address? Yep, nothing unique. Just a YSI that's it lol.

Congratulations, you've now spent 3+ years figuring out all the short comings of the S65 when going for big HP and how to fix them, BUT you still have a car that's not 100% and running at the track/airfield events/Mexico trips. At this point, VAC or any reputable engine builder (like ProLine with the UGR Lambo motors) could probably spent a winter build session (~4 months) completing R&D, building the actual motor, testing AND releasing a final product to the customer. VAC has already nailed down sleeving the motor, and if the DCT internals are the same as the F10 M5/F1x M6 (specifically the clutch pack), then it's clear that SSP never should have been included in the project + you should've explored reprogramming options first.

Yay, it's a YSI on an S65, but just like the Gintani TT setup I expect it'll only work on a 6MT car.

Originally Posted by Sticky

What do you mean if it runs? How has Alex been driving it on the street then? WTF are you talking about? Once again pulling negative crap out of your rear end when you have no clue. Do you do anything else?

THE CAR ISN'T SITTING. Last all it did was go to Bimmerfest and set a new record. Alex has been driving it, we are waiting on clutch packs to get delivered so I can run it to redline without the clutch slipping at 18.5 psi. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. What is wrong with your reading comprehension? How do I write this so you process it?

Then if Alex has been driving it and the car is running, how about the forum gets a 4th of July present. You've known and had a clutch pack "on order" since May 15th (the OP of this thread), and even if the order was placed recently, I know my local BMW Dealer guarantees that serious parts are guaranteed to ship in 5 business days.

WELL, since you're jump on everybody and claim the car is healthy & we're stupid, how about you post a new video up of Alex & your car, you can even cameo, and show the car going for some light pulls (don't need the full 8k+ RPMs).

If it's actually running, we should have a video by the end of the holiday weekend, and if it's not..... Well, what's the worst that happens.....

But the difference between PG's build (a supercharged stroker) and your's is that not only does RD Sports have multiple, established and successful S65 stroker options, VAC now sells a stroker options and BOTH can be successfully supercharged.

Your car is still not 100%

Where are all these supercharged built motor stroker M3's? Where are these 'successfully' completed cars?

And your point is what? My car is DCT, there's your difference. You forget Gintani already did Stage 3 builds with YSI's that were running? Guess so.

Originally Posted by benzy89

Congratulations, you've now spent 3+ years figuring out all the short comings of the S65 when going for big HP and how to fix them, BUT you still have a car that's not 100% and running at the track/airfield events/Mexico trips. At this point, VAC or any reputable engine builder (like ProLine with the UGR Lambo motors) could probably spent a winter build session (~4 months) completing R&D, building the actual motor, testing AND releasing a final product to the customer. VAC has already nailed down sleeving the motor, and if the DCT internals are the same as the F10 M5/F1x M6 (specifically the clutch pack), then it's clear that SSP never should have been included in the project + you should've explored reprogramming options first.

So you would instead rather try to put me down? You're contributing what to the thread?

It's my build and my car. I choose to spend my time and money how I want. This has what to do with you?

Great, Lambo turbo builds are figured out. How does this help the S65 in any way? Who cares?

Yes, I should have never used SSP. What you are missing is programming is one part of it and that Getrag upgraded the clutch packs in the M5/M6. Get it?

Originally Posted by benzy89

Yay, it's a YSI on an S65, but just like the Gintani TT setup I expect it'll only work on a 6MT car.

I expect you don't know what you're talking about considering a DCT turbo car is running around. But hey, you post on a forum so you're the expert.

Originally Posted by benzy89

Then if Alex has been driving it and the car is running, how about the forum gets a 4th of July present. You've known and had a clutch pack "on order" since May 15th (the OP of this thread), and even if the order was placed recently, I know my local BMW Dealer guarantees that serious parts are guaranteed to ship in 5 business days.

Cool dude. You go through your BMW dealer for whatever you want for whatever build you want and I'll source what parts I need from whomever I need to source them from ok? LOL you think it's just OEM they are doing? Why don't you wait and see? Is this supposed to happen on your schedule or something? Relax, not your car or time.

Originally Posted by benzy89

WELL, since you're jump on everybody and claim the car is healthy & we're stupid, how about you post a new video up of Alex & your car, you can even cameo, and show the car going for some light pulls (don't need the full 8k+ RPMs).

What do you think we talked about? I'm going to make you look stupid. I just hope you're man enough to apologize for all your idiotic rumors and comments baselessly being negative when you are as isolated from what is going on as can be.

Originally Posted by benzy89

If it's actually running, we should have a video by the end of the holiday weekend, and if it's not..... Well, what's the worst that happens.....

Oh so I guess all the people seeing it drive in to Bimmerfest and out from Bimmerfest don't count?

Why don't you call Alex and ask for yourself? Who is stopping you? And who are you to demand anything anyway? Sit back it's not your car. It's mine.

Haha ok man so maybe you didn't like the shirt I was wearing that day either? I better embrace your criticism lol.

I never said the YSI was the 'only' one only that Gintani is the only one doing it and offering it as an option with their kits. Maybe a reading comprehension issue?

Regarding what is unique, um, well just about everything. The motor build is more involved than any other S65 build. Perhaps you already know about the issues with the head rising beyond a certain power level? And how to fix them? Or how to design the sleeves to work with the S65's relatively soft material not designed for big boost for weight savings? How about upgrading the DCT? Perhaps you know how to do it or what areas to address? Yep, nothing unique. Just a YSI that's it lol.

So once again it's my fault SSP did not deliver because I did... what? What is it I did? More bees with honey? You don't say, like free advertising for them and a dozen articles all written in support. The only 'vinegar' was me being upset that after giving them an extra YEAR beyond when SSP said it would be done they still did not deliver. Oh what a dick I am for not bothering them and giving him ample time to finish it. I should have handled it how exactly? By not being positive and supportive? By not giving them everything requested? Good point, you were there and all and clearly would have handled this more productively.

I don't own an American car, don't want one over the M3, and am not interested in switching platforms. I'm building an M3 thanks so much for mentioning other platforms that have nothing to do with it. Wow Mustangs can be fast? OMG shock and awe!

I plan on expanding my network to cover everything what does that have to do with a BMW build exactly?

What do you mean if it runs? How has Alex been driving it on the street then? WTF are you talking about? Once again pulling negative crap out of your rear end when you have no clue. Do you do anything else?

So me handling it by giving Gintani everything necessary to address the trans is what? Handling it poorly? I'm not having a problem with anything. I'm good. You're the one who seems to have a problem with my car as if it keeps you up at night.

THE CAR ISN'T SITTING. Last all it did was go to Bimmerfest and set a new record. Alex has been driving it, we are waiting on clutch packs to get delivered so I can run it to redline without the clutch slipping at 18.5 psi. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. What is wrong with your reading comprehension? How do I write this so you process it?

Wow people are stupid.

1. The statement stands bro you sounded $#@!... The fact that your mother dresses you funny has nothing to do with it.
2. You act as though you created and then fully documented these so called innovations... Factually the car hasnt been thrashed in the wild yet, nothing is proven its all a want to happen.
3. Clearly your reading comprehension off here, its interesting what you choose to pick and choose to read. I was pretty clear, read it again and if need be we can put in BIG LETTERS AND PRETTY COLORS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.
4. And yet again the reading comprehension you claim I lack yet so clearly exhibit. I called you on being a hypocrite and wanting to cover a market you have a disdain for. Again we can do BIG LETTERS AND PRETTY COLORS if you cant figure it out.
5. As for its driving... The question is can you go out today right now and go WOT without issue or hesitation? Last I read (see reading is fundamental) your car doesnt handle WOT, its running a "borrowed" stock trans and its still WAITING for clutch packs. Thats all per your statement. Help me understand how thats a fully running car thats ready to rock after 3yrs of building, innovation and record setting?

You seem to mistake real questions for hate... I'm all for the hobby expanding and the project would be really cool had it completed sooner and the owner wasnt a tool. The fact is the car remains a joke in the BMW world and you know this. 3yrs and nothing proven yet is where you're at. But please note the following, and again I put this in BIG LETTERS for you.

I HAVE NEVER SAID I DO NOT WISH YOUR PROJECT WELL, IT MUST SUCK TO HAVE THIS TAKE 3 LONG ASS YEARS AND HAVE NO CONCRETE RESULTS. I HOPE IT RUNS, I HOPE YOU SPANK EVERY CAR YOU RUN AND I HOPE SOMEHOW IT BRINGS YOU A LIL JOY. BUT YOU'RE STILL A TOOL...

Now I'm off for the holiday, you can post to your hearts content. Facts dont lie dude... Cheers!!!

I don't understand why it matters when this is finished. We know the story - much was out of the owner's control. I don't understand what was expected? This is one person doing a build that no one has done before - it hit some roadblocks - and these roadblocks were unforeseeable, and worse were not handled appropriately on the vendor/trans builder's side of things.

So, here we stand - waiting for something. We know the car runs, we know the car will run at it's full potential, it is waiting on parts. I suppose he could fly out and get the packs from Germany himself, but that would be insane. It will get done. Period. I don't understand why a build is a "joke" if it takes a long time - especially if no one has done it yet. I seriously don't get that. I personally joined this forum when I saw this build - and I am more than certain other people have also. I would say this build has done it's job in one way or another, and will do the job of performing soon enough. May not be on a schedule - but we'll see it soon enough. I have no doubts of this.

Other builds can take much longer - some take less time. Some people just go to a tuner and say "I want that" - in this case, there was no tuner and there was no "that" - this is a NEW build. Once this is all done, the car is going to be running - and probably doing excellent - then all this arguing stops? I don't get it - it's almost like people don't think this exists or something.

Here's my take on it. Lets not let emotion (or facts) get in the way of a good story. I want to see this car run and specifically interested in the DCT upgrades over the power numbers.

These facts cannot be disputed:

-This is Sticky's Car.
-This is Sticky's Build.
-Sticky chose Gintani and SSP to complete the build in 2010 - regardless of side benefits or discounts.
-These choices were undeniably Sticky's.
-On July 3, 2013- the build has not been finished.

As unfortunate as the DCT build turned out, the buck stops on whomever owns the car.

Here's my take on it. Lets not let emotion (or facts) get in the way of a good story. I want to see this car run and specifically interested in the DCT upgrades over the power numbers.

These facts cannot be disputed:

-This is Sticky's Car.
-This is Sticky's Build.
-Sticky chose Gintani and SSP to complete the build in 2010 - regardless of side benefits or discounts.
-These choices were undeniably Sticky's.
-On July 3, 2013- the build has not been finished.

As unfortunate as the DCT build turned out, the buck stops on whomever owns the car.

I could not disagree with this anymore. Being a shop owner I know very well how things can get delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed due to, machining, manufacturing, R&D, testing, ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC. To say this is the fault of the customer or even that the buck stops on whoever owns the car, makes zero sense in my book. The customer has ZERO control over how fast his car is done.

1. The statement stands bro you sounded $#@!... The fact that your mother dresses you funny has nothing to do with it.
2. You act as though you created and then fully documented these so called innovations... Factually the car hasnt been thrashed in the wild yet, nothing is proven its all a want to happen.
3. Clearly your reading comprehension off here, its interesting what you choose to pick and choose to read. I was pretty clear, read it again and if need be we can put in BIG LETTERS AND PRETTY COLORS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.
4. And yet again the reading comprehension you claim I lack yet so clearly exhibit. I called you on being a hypocrite and wanting to cover a market you have a disdain for. Again we can do BIG LETTERS AND PRETTY COLORS if you cant figure it out.
5. As for its driving... The question is can you go out today right now and go WOT without issue or hesitation? Last I read (see reading is fundamental) your car doesnt handle WOT, its running a "borrowed" stock trans and its still WAITING for clutch packs. Thats all per your statement. Help me understand how thats a fully running car thats ready to rock after 3yrs of building, innovation and record setting?

You seem to mistake real questions for hate... I'm all for the hobby expanding and the project would be really cool had it completed sooner and the owner wasnt a tool. The fact is the car remains a joke in the BMW world and you know this. 3yrs and nothing proven yet is where you're at. But please note the following, and again I put this in BIG LETTERS for you.

I HAVE NEVER SAID I DO NOT WISH YOUR PROJECT WELL, IT MUST SUCK TO HAVE THIS TAKE 3 LONG ASS YEARS AND HAVE NO CONCRETE RESULTS. I HOPE IT RUNS, I HOPE YOU SPANK EVERY CAR YOU RUN AND I HOPE SOMEHOW IT BRINGS YOU A LIL JOY. BUT YOU'RE STILL A TOOL...

Now I'm off for the holiday, you can post to your hearts content. Facts dont lie dude... Cheers!!!

I don't understand why it matters when this is finished. We know the story - much was out of the owner's control. I don't understand what was expected? This is one person doing a build that no one has done before - it hit some roadblocks - and these roadblocks were unforeseeable, and worse were not handled appropriately on the vendor/trans builder's side of things.

So, here we stand - waiting for something. We know the car runs, we know the car will run at it's full potential, it is waiting on parts. I suppose he could fly out and get the packs from Germany himself, but that would be insane. It will get done. Period. I don't understand why a build is a "joke" if it takes a long time - especially if no one has done it yet. I seriously don't get that. I personally joined this forum when I saw this build - and I am more than certain other people have also. I would say this build has done it's job in one way or another, and will do the job of performing soon enough. May not be on a schedule - but we'll see it soon enough. I have no doubts of this.

Other builds can take much longer - some take less time. Some people just go to a tuner and say "I want that" - in this case, there was no tuner and there was no "that" - this is a NEW build. Once this is all done, the car is going to be running - and probably doing excellent - then all this arguing stops? I don't get it - it's almost like people don't think this exists or something.

I is what I is. (wtf does this even mean?)

Are people sitting at their computers with a stop watch? Why is it the same comment from the same little group over and over?

Here's my take on it. Lets not let emotion (or facts) get in the way of a good story. I want to see this car run and specifically interested in the DCT upgrades over the power numbers.

These facts cannot be disputed:

-This is Sticky's Car.
-This is Sticky's Build.
-Sticky chose Gintani and SSP to complete the build in 2010 - regardless of side benefits or discounts.
-These choices were undeniably Sticky's.
-On July 3, 2013- the build has not been finished.

As unfortunate as the DCT build turned out, the buck stops on whomever owns the car.

I take responsibility for choosing SSP. Never go with someone based on what they promise you or trust someone who hasn't shown any work on the platform. My mistake, but I wasn't responsible for the work. Gintani delivered what they were supposed to and are now cleaning up SSP's mess. Everything is fine, I don't see the big deal.

1. The statement stands bro you sounded $#@!... The fact that your mother dresses you funny has nothing to do with it.
2. You act as though you created and then fully documented these so called innovations... Factually the car hasnt been thrashed in the wild yet, nothing is proven its all a want to happen.
3. Clearly your reading comprehension off here, its interesting what you choose to pick and choose to read. I was pretty clear, read it again and if need be we can put in BIG LETTERS AND PRETTY COLORS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.
4. And yet again the reading comprehension you claim I lack yet so clearly exhibit. I called you on being a hypocrite and wanting to cover a market you have a disdain for. Again we can do BIG LETTERS AND PRETTY COLORS if you cant figure it out.
5. As for its driving... The question is can you go out today right now and go WOT without issue or hesitation? Last I read (see reading is fundamental) your car doesnt handle WOT, its running a "borrowed" stock trans and its still WAITING for clutch packs. Thats all per your statement. Help me understand how thats a fully running car thats ready to rock after 3yrs of building, innovation and record setting?

You seem to mistake real questions for hate... I'm all for the hobby expanding and the project would be really cool had it completed sooner and the owner wasnt a tool. The fact is the car remains a joke in the BMW world and you know this. 3yrs and nothing proven yet is where you're at. But please note the following, and again I put this in BIG LETTERS for you.

I HAVE NEVER SAID I DO NOT WISH YOUR PROJECT WELL, IT MUST SUCK TO HAVE THIS TAKE 3 LONG ASS YEARS AND HAVE NO CONCRETE RESULTS. I HOPE IT RUNS, I HOPE YOU SPANK EVERY CAR YOU RUN AND I HOPE SOMEHOW IT BRINGS YOU A LIL JOY. BUT YOU'RE STILL A TOOL...

Now I'm off for the holiday, you can post to your hearts content. Facts dont lie dude... Cheers!!!

Cool story bro!

1. This has a whole ton to do with my car. You throw your back out reaching for insults yet or what?

2. I didn't say the car has been 'thrashed' yet it's waiting on some parts. Is it cool if I get them first? Or should I be on your schedule? This makes what kind of sense?

3. It's clear bold letters don't help you make your point it just looks like you're screaming for attention. Need some attention from Sticky lil guy?

4. I don't have disdain for any market so your comments make no sense. What I said is I would never want a cheap American pile of junk for my car. I like the GT500, C6 Z06, etc. So, you don't know how to read is the constant.

5. Yes, you can go WOT like Alex did the other night when blowing his buddies GT500 out of the water you just have to shift earlier. But you keep commenting without knowing what you're talking about. Maybe that is what needs to be written in bold?

It doesn't suck at all I'm enjoying holding the HP record and am just waiting on a few parts to raise it even further. Wow that sounds terrible. The car is a beast and shocking quite a few people. It's the haters who want to comment negatively and in bold when their idiotic comments are quickly dismissed as nothing but petty spite. If you look up the definition of what a tool is you would see someone doing what I just mentioned fits the definition. As in, you.

JRCART and his internet attitude would strongly disagree and call you a pussy for not confronting the shop and forcing them to rush the project.

But you're right, there aren't many other shops that can do what Gintani is doing with Sticky's car, so he's kind of stuck :p

What matters is getting it done right not getting it done fast. A lot of shops can throw hardware together that can fail. This is uncharted territory and they have made things right every step of the way.

I could not disagree with this anymore. Being a shop owner I know very well how things can get delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed due to, machining, manufacturing, R&D, testing, ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC. To say this is the fault of the customer or even that the buck stops on whoever owns the car, makes zero sense in my book. The customer has ZERO control over how fast his car is done.

We can agree to disagree here. Its nobody's fault. I said it was Sticky's car so the buck stops on him. Nothing more. Nothing less.