This is not a "win" for anyone, although it's not the worst thing ever. I am fine with open standards that work, but for now, most of the web uses Flash.

I don't care what the iFanboys say. This is the way the world works. Guess what. Most sites use Flash. Most computers use Windows. That is how it is.

Flash is resource-intensive and full of security holes, sure. But Adobe continued to improve it on both mobile and MacOS X. Now it's cancelled for mobile. Oh well. It's not good, but it's also not the end of the world. Hopefully over the next few years, sites will settle on ONE or a few open standards, so that everyone can access the full web on mobile. Standards are important. Especially when it comes to the web. Fragmentation helps no one.

1) That hasn't been my experience at all. The only websites that I have encountered on my idevices that depend on flash has been restaurant sites and now I just go to third party sites like allmenus.com to get the info I need
2) You can't get a standard together if everyone is relying on a proprietary plugin like flash

Now there are some ways Flash will be missed (no, stop laughing, please bear with me). All the crap out there on websites you can avoid by not installing Flash at the moment will start to be made in different ways and it'll be that little bit harder to ignore.

I just hope Flash doesn't go away on the desktop¡ I don't know what I'd do if I went to a restaurant's website and actually got useful information.

edit: LOL I see freckledbruh just mentioned restaurant sites.

Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"

I thought GIF was the only one that caused any issues and I thought CompuServe owned the rights. It's been so long I can't even be sure I spelled the acronyms correctly.

As I recall Sperry owned the patent for the compression that Compuserve used in the GIF format. Once Sperry was acquired by Unisys they are the ones who started making a stink about the patent related to GIF.

As I recall Sperry owned the patent for the compression that Compuserve used in the GIF format. Once Sperry was acquired by Unisys they are the ones who started making a stink about the patent related to GIF.

I heard that Google are offering the square root of minus one for these patents now.

I hope you do not think iDevices are secure. You do realize that instead of making JailbreakMe.com, Comex could had been malicious and made websites to brick every iDevice that visited without warning, right? Fortunately, he turned out to be a good guy.

i think your chances of getting 'hacked' are higher with android devices than apple's. the difference is that when the rare 'flaw' is found Apple gets ripped more than the others because the others have flaws much more often and it really isn't new news.
now i do wish apple would embrace google's chrome 'rewards' for finding bugs. give hackers a reason to cash in the flaws rather than use them...

Well flash didn't get so widely adopted for being shit software. Oh wait, in OSX I guess it does run like shit. Something about Apple not doing anything at all to ensure a better experience for their users? Oh right.

As far as singing praise, wtf are you talking about? My comments are strictly neutral about flash, but since I'm not on the side bashing it, to you it looks like I'm praising it. What a joke you are.

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Yep.. Flash is perfect for mobile devices and this is why Adobe is committing to Flash for mobile development for the next 100 years. Oh wait!

PS. Do you mind linking to where Steve Jobs said Flash couldn't run on mobile devices?

Who said flash was PERFECT for mobile devices? Funny how the two people who respond to me resort to making stuff up. SF claimed I was singing praise, and now you claim I'm saying it's PERFECT for mobile platforms.

I'm saying Adobe got flash to work fine in Android, and it's a total lie to say it doesn't. The transition here is simply Adobe staying modern. You guys all bash Adobe and flash, yet they are moving to HTML5 as you want, they proved flash can work fine on the most popular mobile OS, and html5 still isn't even widely adopted across mobile platforms yet. Grow a brain. You'll always complain so long as it isn't Apple, which is imbecilic to an EXTREME degree.

Also, why must people always create horror stories about the worst possible things that could happen in the industry?

Google will buy it, then transform it into something more streamlined. Then we'll have the web split down the middle between html5 and flash. The tension will grow until war breaks out. Brother turning on brother, worldwide mayhem and chaos, millions dead.

Well flash didn't get so widely adopted for being shit software. Oh wait, in OSX I guess it does run like shit. Something about Apple not doing anything at all to ensure a better experience for their users? Oh right.
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actually my comments about flash have less to do with Apple. it has to do with supporting 500 plus windows machines that are in constant peril due to sh*t programming by Adobe.

but i do have several android devices and flash came off the phone early on and will never be put back. i also have it on android 3.2 tablet and i use it when i feel like running the battery down.
face it, like Realplayer, Flash started out good and ended up being a total turd.

Apple didn’t win. Everybody won. Flash hasn’t been superseded in mobile by any sort of Apple technology. It’s been superseded by truly open web technologies. Dumping Flash will make Android better, it will make BlackBerrys better, it will make the entire web better. iOS users have been benefitting from this ever since day one, in June 2007.

Although I agree with Gruber's overall point, he lost me with the last, bolded sentence. We iOS users didn't "magically" have access to the full web and HTML5/video/animation playback beginning in 2007.

It hasn't been until that past year/year and a half or so that I've been able go to about 90% of my favorite websites and actually get HTML5 compliant video and animations on pages instead of the broken Flash icon. So to say that we've been benefiting since 2007 seems a bit disingenuous.

That is unless I'm not understanding his statement which I probably am

Although I agree with Gruber's overall point, he lost me with the last, bolded sentence. We iOS users didn't "magically" have access to the full web and HTML5/video/animation playback beginning in 2007.

It hasn't been until that past year/year and a half or so that I've been able go to about 90% of my favorite websites and actually get HTML5 compliant video and animations on pages instead of the broken Flash icon. So to say that we've been benefiting since 2007 seems a bit disingenuous.

That is unless I'm not understanding his statement which I probably am

They may not be your have web sites but most design studios, interior designers and architects are still all, or partially Flash.

I guess Flash sites appealed to the above because it allowed them to parade their design prowess. I am and always have been amazed at how even high end designers have so little understanding of how the web works and how people browse. These are generally smart people but it is shocking how they were suckered into the Flash world virtually en masse.

actually my comments about flash have less to do with Apple. it has to do with supporting 500 plus windows machines that are in constant peril due to sh*t programming by Adobe.

but i do have several android devices and flash came off the phone early on and will never be put back. i also have it on android 3.2 tablet and i use it when i feel like running the battery down.
face it, like Realplayer, Flash started out good and ended up being a total turd.

nobody could hack a machine running google chrome as the browser at the last hack attack contest thingy. Flash doesn't pose a threat like that anymore.

Flash is a total turd in OSX, but only because Apple refused to work with Adobe at improving it. Adobe worked with Microsoft, and the result has been awesome, and a driver in it's acceptance across the web.

I'm all for moving to HTML5, but we aren't quite there yet. Flash is still being used heavily, and Adobe showed us it can run fine in Android. You admit you removed it from your Android device before even giving it a chance, and you claim you only use it on your tablet when you want to run the battery down? Those two statements alone would lead me to believe you're lying about even owning an Android device.

I had to look that up. I know that mammary glands are, simply put, modified sebaceous glands, but I didn't know platypuses sweat milk. That species is all messed up. It's to the animal kingdom as the Fusion Garage JooJoo is to tablets.

Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"

do you have an android phone? or tablet?
then you can thank apple for telling you what you wanted cuz no one else was doing that till iphone.

Actually, HTC released a touch screen device prior to the iphone, and Android was in development prior to the first iphone's release as well.

The odds of phones NOT moving to touch screen candy bar style models are slim to none. Even tablets existed that resembled the sleek form factor of an ipad long before the ipad. This is an imbecilic argument. The only thing I give props to Apple for in this regard is getting the attention of the idiotic masses, and therefor getting other companies off their butts to work harder.

I won't thank Apple for Android, but I'll definitely thank them for iOS, obviously.

I had to look that up. I know that mammary glands are, simply put, modified sebaceous glands, but I didn't know platypuses sweat milk. That species is all messed up. It's to the animal kingdom as the Fusion Garage JooJoo is to tablets.

Dude, isn't it funny how you can learn something extremely interesting in the most random places? I had no idea they did that.

Actually, HTC released a touch screen device prior to the iphone, and Android was in development prior to the first iphone's release as well.

Of course there were touch screen phones before the iPhone, they were terrible to use.

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The odds of phones NOT moving to touch screen candy bar style models are slim to none.

The majority of phones were not moving in that direction. The most popular phones in 2006 were the Blackberry, Palm Treo, and Windows Mobile. They all had hardware keyboards and no plans to move to become primarily touch screen phones.

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Even tablets existed that resembled the sleek form factor of an ipad long before the ipad.

The question is were they actually usable?

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I won't thank Apple for Android, but I'll definitely thank them for iOS, obviously.

Ignoring which direction Android was headed before the iPhone was launched.

This is not a "win" for anyone, although it's not the worst thing ever. I am fine with open standards that work, but for now, most of the web uses Flash.

I don't care what the iFanboys say. This is the way the world works. Guess what. Most sites use Flash. Most computers use Windows. That is how it is.

Flash is resource-intensive and full of security holes, sure. But Adobe continued to improve it on both mobile and MacOS X. Now it's cancelled for mobile. Oh well. It's not good, but it's also not the end of the world. Hopefully over the next few years, sites will settle on ONE or a few open standards, so that everyone can access the full web on mobile. Standards are important. Especially when it comes to the web. Fragmentation helps no one.

Reminds me of a poem:

"Here's to the Lazy Ones. The followers. The me-toos. The play-it-safers. The square pegs in the square holes.

The ones who see things as they exist today. They're afraid of change, and they obey the status-quo.

You can quote them, disagree with them, ban them, or call them trolls. About the only thing that'll work is to ignore them. Because they will never change things. They halt progress and hold back the human race.

And while some may see them as haters of the insanely great, we see laziness. Because the people who are lazy enough to accept the world as it is - are the ones who won't change it."

nobody could hack a machine running google chrome as the browser at the last hack attack contest thingy. Flash doesn't pose a threat like that anymore.

Flash is a total turd in OSX, but only because Apple refused to work with Adobe at improving it. Adobe worked with Microsoft, and the result has been awesome, and a driver in it's acceptance across the web.

I'm all for moving to HTML5, but we aren't quite there yet. Flash is still being used heavily, and Adobe showed us it can run fine in Android. You admit you removed it from your Android device before even giving it a chance, and you claim you only use it on your tablet when you want to run the battery down? Those two statements alone would lead me to believe you're lying about even owning an Android device.

Seriously?
IJust search something so simple next time. So many in the last year for both Windows 7 and Google Chrome. I even took the time to show you one regarding performance from a google engineer, as well as the first page link of a recent Flash security flaw on Chrome.

Who said flash was PERFECT for mobile devices? Funny how the two people who respond to me resort to making stuff up. SF claimed I was singing praise, and now you claim I'm saying it's PERFECT for mobile platforms.

I'm saying Adobe got flash to work fine in Android, and it's a total lie to say it doesn't. The transition here is simply Adobe staying modern. You guys all bash Adobe and flash, yet they are moving to HTML5 as you want, they proved flash can work fine on the most popular mobile OS, and html5 still isn't even widely adopted across mobile platforms yet. Grow a brain. You'll always complain so long as it isn't Apple, which is imbecilic to an EXTREME degree.

It seems that Adobe disagree with you don't think that Flash is "fine" enough. I am still waiting for your link to where SJ said Flash couldn't run on mobile devices. Is that just "You'll always complain so long as it is Apple, which is imbecilic to an EXTREME degree."? or is it you making shit up?! My guess is both.