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Great term for it, Benj. You have invented a new name for a variety of "fisting". Stumping is logical to describe it! I still don't want to spend the rest of my 2.3 years trying to see someone doing it with an amputee or much less if the amputee is also a "goatbanger"! Lol.

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Catman

Meow to the birdsMeow to the tree'sMeow to the endof this dreadful disease...

Great term for it, Benj. You have invented a new name for a variety of "fisting". Stumping is logical to describe it! I still don't want to spend the rest of my 2.3 years trying to see someone doing it with an amputee or much less if the amputee is also a "goatbanger"! Lol.

..Today I received a call from another friend, telling me that he received a call from our South African friend's family. She was driving back to her new apartment when she crashed, we still don't know how, but she died instantly. She was the happiest person on earth, only 24 years old and she wasn't HIV positive...

Sorry to hear of your friend's death. Certainly a poignant reminder that we never know when our time is up, and to live life to the fullest.

Incidentally, the paper quoted a 1 in 65 chance you'd die in a car accident, which seems pretty high! The average age of death for that was 41 years.

Someone loses their business, finds out they have HIV/Aids, tries to take their own life, and somehow it's so fucking funny that it's carried over to a totally unrelated thread... Glad you guyz are havin fun.

Scooter, i hope that you do not read the threads which upset you, nor the posters you do not like. Life is simply too short, however you dice the odds, to exist in anger or negativity.

We laugh because we have to, in a world insane.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

Someone loses their business, finds out they have HIV/Aids, tries to take their own life, and somehow it's so fucking funny that it's carried over to a totally unrelated thread... Glad you guyz are havin fun.

From the guy who wrote:

<<WTF... The carotid artery wouldn't even dull the blade... and if ya failed (which you wouldnt) You could still use both hands to masturbate. >>

So gallows humor when you participate is funny, except when you then decide it's not?

Just saying.

I really hope you reconsider the whole leaving thing. This place is actually a decent spot to start tackling those demons. It's not easy, and it's not pretty. But its possible.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

I have a question. Wouldn't eat be easier to cut off your feet or do you lose more blood from severed hands? At least it would make more sense to start with the feet/legs and work your way up cutting off the hands lastly before the arms via falling over on the upturned blade. This must not have been an improvised, not very well planned out, spur of the moment activity.

I will admit the hands are much more symbolically resonant than the feet and perhaps more crippling.

Statistics are a funny thing. When they figured the average mean up they might have include the ones that die sooner along with the LTNP.

Let me give an example: If subject A is looking at colleges with the best reputation for making more money on the outside he see's University of SO an SO proclaims its graduates make $68,000 upon entrance in to the work force.

What the statiticians dont tell you is subject J attended the University of So and So and was drafted in to the NBA and makes umpty squat millions a year. His average salary is averaged in with all those other workers that attended the same University and graduated.

There are three kinds of lies, damned lies, and statistics-Benjamin Disraeli

Statistics without disclosure of the population, years in question, source, demographics, etc. are ripe for misinterpretation. I'd love to see the source data (with the median, mode, etc. listed) the reporter used for the article so the numbers could be put in the proper context. The mean could include various populations leading to a standard average where, let's say, 5 people died at 60 and and 5 died at 24 and whole range of ages in-between to reach a mean of 44.5 years.

Oh how I love statistics...

Mike (who isn't planning on dying at 45.3 based on a standard average)

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"Get your medical advice from Doctors or medical professionals who you trust and know your history."

"Beware of the fortune teller doom and gloomers who seek to bring you down and are only looking for company, purpose and validation - not your best physical/mental interests."

"You know you all are saying that this is incurable. When the real thing you should be saying is it's not curable at the present time' because as we know, the great strides we've made in medicine." - Elizabeth Edwards

"There's no Church of England fundamentalism. We can't have Church of England fundamentalism. You know, like they have Islamic fundamentalism. Jihad! … Ah ha … Church of England fundamentalism is impossible because you can't have: "You must have tea and cake with the vicar or you die!" Tea and cake or death! Students with beards, "Tea and cake or death! Tea and cake or death! Little Red Cookbook! Little Red Cookbook!" Ca – you know, 'cause, "Cake or death?" That's a pretty easy question. Everybody – anyone could answer that. "Cake or death?" "Uhh, cake please." "Very well! Give him cake!" "Oh, thanks very much. It's very nice!" "You! Cake or death?" "Uh, cake for me, too, please!" "Very well! Give him cake, too! We're gonna run out of cake at this rate. You! Cake or death?" "Uh, death, please. No, cake! Cake! Cake, sorry. Sorry …" "You said death first, ah-ha, ah-ha, death first!" "Well, I meant cake!" "Oh, all right. You're lucky I'm Church of England! Cake or death?" "Uh, cake please." "Well, we're out of cake! We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush! So what'll it be?" "What, so my choice is 'or death?' Well, then I'll have the chicken, please." " - Dressed To Kill

Matty, I lied about my sobriety, I am high on Atripla right now. But I have to say I am making extra cash selling it to high school kids as the poor-person's ecstasy... if you mix it with some herbs you get a great product.

As off putting as this stuff is, unfortunately there are impacts from statistics that affect our ability to get and be charged for insurance coverage. Also, government policy is also influenced by these statistics.

So while our mortality improves with every new drug approved, and our deeper understanding of how HIV works and How we can manage the diesease, we have stuff that is behind the curve, based in the past, influencing our future benefits and the like.

I've heard it say, and it is very true about HIV treatment and mortality and the what people think about HIV, that "Perception trails reality!", And these statistics are a part of that.

And to add insult to injury, the press now publishes this statistic, further cementing that perception.

All we can do is point it out, and encourage those who generate statistics, be able to explain them, and demand that they be used properly, if at all!

P.S. This is not hijacking, as it's well known that HIVers have a 1 in 3 chance of making pee pee in the pantaloons from sheer laughter whilst watching Eddie Izzard.

Correctus. And laughter (esp of the variety that makes one pee pee in the pantaloons) is well known for its contribution to a long healthy life. Hence ("Joey said 'hence'!"...sorry, different comedy on Melia's Fave List!), where was I? Oh yes...hence...our witticisms may indeed be prolonging and extending certain individuals existence on this here planet. Meaning, fewer folk than before this thread was actally started may in fact be checking out by the age of 45.3. And if that doesn't make sense, then I wouldn't recommend reading the next bit...

---WHOOSH--- Get off my roof! F**king elephants!

Missie Melia (who is proud to announce she has not melted any dishes tonight...yet)

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The difference between cats and dogs is that dogs come when called, whereas cats take a message and get back to you.

Hmm, well everyone knows the Queen isn't up on stats and such but even to a naive person like myself those stats sound a bit off. I can't take it serious because there's not enough information for me. Like is that suppose to be from what time period? From the time they are are poz to when they're considered having AIDS? Is this if the person is taking medication?

And last week, an accident could've taken me out. Who isn't going to worry about the stats and count her lucky stars. Say what you want, after what I went through last week, I am blessed to still be here.

Suppose that out of all the millions of people on this planet who are infected with HIV, exactly one died in the course of a year from HIV. Suppose that one person happened to be 45.3 years old when he died.

Suppose that out of all the millions of people on this planet who are infected with HIV, exactly one died in the course of a year from HIV. Suppose that one person happened to be 45.3 years old when he died.

Yeah, Fuck this topic....it's absolutely serves no point but to feed anxiety. We have no way of knowing how long anyone has because medical science is always evolving....I refuse to think in terms of "I only have this much time left, so......". It's ridiculous. Topics like this really do not help anyone in this forum. I'm sorry, but it's just the way I feel....

I think it's a losing battle trying to explain how totally meaningless this statistic is, and how it says absolutely nothing about life expectancy or the probability of anyone at any age dying from AIDS or of how many years the mythical "average" person may have left.

A lot of people have had some good-natured fun with this topic, but I can't help but feel that some people, especially those new to this disease, mistakenly think that this statisic says something meaningful about their own lives or chances of survival.

A lot of people have had some good-natured fun with this topic, but I can't help but feel that some people, especially those new to this disease, mistakenly think that this statisic says something meaningful about their own lives or chances of survival. .

Thats why I am glad it was not posted in the "I Just tested POZ" forum. The assumption here is that the members who read an post haev gained a bit of perspective. That's one of the reasons I do not post my own personal health situations in the "I Just tested Poz" forum, and why I submit that forum was created.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

Yesterday at my job's cafeteria there was a big black bow on the door, someone had died. When I payed for my breakfast there was a picture with some flowers of the guy who had died. He was the 19 year old boy who made sandwiches here! He died in a car accident the previous afternoon while leaving from work at 4p.m. (apparently fell asleep while driving). I just thought, "My lord, I've been positive for over 20 years and am still alive and healthy. This poor guy was negative and look how he ended up. It was a weird feeling because I outlived his age of death in spite of having hiv...

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Meow to the birdsMeow to the tree'sMeow to the endof this dreadful disease...

I think it's a losing battle trying to explain how totally meaningless this statistic is, and how it says absolutely nothing about life expectancy or the probability of anyone at any age dying from AIDS or of how many years the mythical "average" person may have left.

A lot of people have had some good-natured fun with this topic, but I can't help but feel that some people, especially those new to this disease, mistakenly think that this statisic says something meaningful about their own lives or chances of survival.

Racingmind is right; this whole topic does nothing but feed anxiety.

Woe is the underinformed member who starts the next "life expectancy and HIV" thread

Yeah, Fuck this topic....it's absolutely serves no point but to feed anxiety. We have no way of knowing how long anyone has because medical science is always evolving....I refuse to think in terms of "I only have this much time left, so......". It's ridiculous. Topics like this really do not help anyone in this forum. I'm sorry, but it's just the way I feel....