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If that's what it takes. Whatever!!!
Really... come one! We now have to remain silent for bad company decisions because we fear they won't let us buy their "awesome product"? I think things are inverted in this whole consumer x company relationship. I don't give a fuck for RDR2 if that's their line of thinking. There are way too many good (and better) games on PC. They're the ones losing money, not me.

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It's a stupid way. This childish behaviour will just make Valve kill reviews for good, the only working curation of content there is. All Rockstar will think is PC gaming was a mistake. It's not like they need those 8 out of 80 million sales. And I guess the majority of users are pretty damn thankful in the first place for stopping mods, because only a minority uses them and they don't like being griefed upon, which is why Rockstar shut down Open IV in the first place. This is just a vocal stupid minority abusing the review system. Go to Twitter, send nuts to their office, do what normal people do.

Take Two sent the OpenIV developers a C&D, it is used to modify the game, with it people create mods for the game, such as vehicle and texture mods etc.
It is used for the single player portion of the game and you can't access online with it installed.

This is a post from one of the developers on the "gtaforums"

Here is my comment on this Rockstar's statement:
OpenIV, ”Liberty City in GTA V" and all other mods/projects from my team and me are only specific for Single player. Rockstar must be well aware about the fact that you cannot access GTA Online while you have installed any OpenIV mod:

The statement "Unfortunately OpenIV enables recent malicious mods that allow harassment of players and interfere with the GTA Online experience for everybody", is just wrong and they know it. OpenIV does not allows or supports any kind of GTA Online mods. We always supported Rockstar in their right to protect GTA Online from hacks and cheats. But, Take-Two's C&D was specific for out Singleplayer mods and have no mentions about GTA Online.

While we have not received a comment from Take-Two, Rockstar just sent PC Gamer its statement on the matter. Here it is in full:

"Take-Two's actions were not specifically targeting single player mods. Unfortunately OpenIV enables recent malicious mods that allow harassment of players and interfere with the GTA Online experience for everybody. We are working to figure out how we can continue to support the creative community without negatively impacting our players."

At this point in GTA V's life, do you think a significant amount of customers are uninformed enough about the product to consider the Steam review score (but not check the actual reviews) before making their purchase?

Will those reviews dissuade people that were interested in buying it due to modding, particularly due to Youtube videos by personalities? Yes, and YT is one avenue where a lot of noise needs to be made. Will it dissuade people that are buying it for GTA Online? No, and those potential whales are what the publisher and developer care about right now, enough to kick the mod hornets nest.

Yes? Rather than just spraying shit all up the walls actually have an angle of attack, if you want to organise a protest then make the action about not playing GTA Online and not buying any Shark Cards until they reverse this decision. If their userbase or revenue drops by any noticeable amount, then you've got their attention.

By actually telling them? Jesus, you've got voices and you're using them currently, direct them in a way that will have an impact. Tweet, e-mail, set up a Reddit post, say why you're not happy with that decision and what your action will be. Hell, get some big GTA mods Youtube personality to spread the word. If they see 30k properly worded e-mails (not just FK U ROKSTAH WERE MY MODZ?), if they see their GTAO playerbase drop 20%, if they see their shark card revenue drop 5% they will notice and act.

Noise works when directed correctly, don't waste your opportunity by being a rabble that the company decides is worth ignoring the ire of.

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It's a stupid way. This childish behaviour will just make Valve kill reviews for good, the only working curation of content there is. All Rockstar will think is PC gaming was a mistake. It's not like they need those 8 out of 80 million sales. And I guess the majority of users are pretty damn thankful in the first place for stopping mods, because only a minority uses them and they don't like being griefed upon, which is why Rockstar shut down Open IV in the first place. This is just a vocal stupid minority abusing the review system. Go to Twitter, send nuts to their office, do what normal people do.

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Good for the PC community, I've only got/played it on console but I fully understand/appreciate the frustration that this truly asinine move has generated. Perhaps one could argue its an abuse of the review system on steam but personally I think its an reasonable way to lodge a protest, and at least the majority of the reviews (or at least what I've glanced through) explain the reason why. Far better than not buying (too late for most I expect), not buying DLC or spamming social media with insults.

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It's this anticipatory obedience stance that prevents us from having nice things. "Let us not anger Valve or Rockstar! Let us be civil! Their feelings will be hurt!"

This is a fucking business. They will not retract from PC gaming, and Valve will not kill off their only working curation system, as you yourself called it. Grow up and start thinking strategically instead of shoving your head in the sand. They pulled a HUGE dick move, modding files that you bought (except cheating) is NOT illegal, and changing the rules after you bought the product probably is. They absolutely should feel the backlash.

Releasing a C&D on your own intellectual property is certainly not illegal. You're accusing someone else of not thinking strategically? This is T2's attempt to clean up GTAO, which is their #1 money maker. It's a pretty clear cut strategy. I disagree with their approach as a member of the modding community, but T2 answers to shareholders who want results.

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Releasing a C&D on your own intellectual property is certainly not illegal. You're accusing someone else of not thinking strategically? This is T2's attempt to clean up GTAO, which is their #1 money maker. It's a pretty clear cut strategy. I disagree with their approach, but T2 answers to shareholders who want results.

Their C&D has nothing to do with GTAO, nobody here is saying modding GTAO is a good thing. This is about single player modding.

But thanks for this shitpost. See the post about corporate apologists on your way out. The fact that you're so crassly uninformed tells me your claim about being a "member of the modding community" is BS.

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Releasing a C&D on your own intellectual property is certainly not illegal. You're accusing someone else of not thinking strategically? This is T2's attempt to clean up GTAO, which is their #1 money maker. It's a pretty clear cut strategy. I disagree with their approach as a member of the modding community, but T2 answers to shareholders who want results.

For you.

At this point in GTA V's life, do you think a significant amount of customers are uninformed enough about the product to consider the Steam review score (but not check the actual reviews) before making their purchase?

Will those reviews dissuade people that were interested in buying it due to modding, particularly due to Youtube videos by personalities? Yes, and YT is one avenue where a lot of noise needs to be made. Will it dissuade people that are buying it for GTA Online? No, and those potential whales are what the publisher and developer care about right now, enough to kick the mod hornets nest.

Yes? Rather than just spraying shit all up the walls actually have an angle of attack, if you want to organise a protest then make the action about not playing GTA Online and not buying any Shark Cards until they reverse this decision. If their userbase or revenue drops by any noticeable amount, then you've got their attention.

By actually telling them? Jesus, you've got voices and you're using them currently, direct them in a way that will have an impact. Tweet, e-mail, set up a Reddit post, say why you're not happy with that decision and what your action will be. Hell, get some big GTA mods Youtube personality to spread the word. If they see 30k properly worded e-mails (not just FK U ROKSTAH WERE MY MODZ?), if they see their GTAO playerbase drop 20%, if they see their shark card revenue drop 5% they will notice and act.

Noise works when directed correctly, don't waste your opportunity by being a rabble that the company decides is worth ignoring the ire of.

Like, every fucking single avenue you suggested is already being used. What is your point here? There are already huge reddit posts, tweets, emails, videos made by several Youtubers. Steam Reviews is one of the many things people are using, not the only one.

Releasing a C&D on your own intellectual property is certainly not illegal. You're accusing someone else of not thinking strategically? This is T2's attempt to clean up GTAO, which is their #1 money maker. It's a pretty clear cut strategy. I disagree with their approach as a member of the modding community, but T2 answers to shareholders who want results.

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Unless 90% of people who have purchased GTAV boycott all future products in the series, Take Two isn't going to give a shit. People are going to buy GTA because it's GTA, and the PC market for it is nothing compared to the consoles. A quick steamspy check suggests ~15%.

Okay, Steam reviews aren't trash, but they're a joke. I have a feeling that a lot of those snap anger reviews are people with hundreds upon hundreds of hours played. They've clearly enjoyed their time with the product, making an opinion stated now pretty much a joke. Not saying they don't have a right to express their displeasure (I'd be pissed if I were a GTA modder!), but trying to claim Steam is any sort of basis for reasoned discussion is laughable at best.

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Like, every fucking single avenue you suggested is already being used. What is your point here? There are already huge reddit posts, tweets, emails, videos made by several Youtubers. Steam Reviews is one of the many things people are using, not the only one.

My original point was replying to someone asking what can be done other than bombing Steam reviews. If you're confident that everyone is taking impactful action rather than just spreading around a bunch of meaningless threats (like "I'm not buying your next game... whenever that is") or just being a noise that they can ride out then that's fine.

Personally I don't care what happens with GTA V since I neither play, like or care about the series. My interest is seeing that you guys put a stop to this so hard and so quickly that no other pub/dev tries it again, because god help me if a similar thing happens to a future Elder Scrolls or Civilization.

It's not about how good a developer Rockstar is. Rockstar is not the issue here. If anything, they've already endorsed the use of mods. It's the shitty company that is pulling their strings that is pulling this bullshit.

Well to be fair (not that it makes it better). Defending corporations over people is a time honored American tradition. To many Americans corporations are more important than the rights of people or workers, so it's no shocked to see that translated to people defending corporations here.

Well to be fair (not that it makes it better). Defending corporations over people is a time honored American tradition. To many Americans corporations are more important than the rights of people or workers, so it's no shocked to see that translated to people defending corporations here.

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Unless 90% of people who have purchased GTAV boycott all future products in the series, Take Two isn't going to give a shit. People are going to buy GTA because it's GTA, and the PC market for it is nothing compared to the consoles. A quick steamspy check suggests ~15%.
Okay, Steam reviews aren't trash, but they're a joke. I have a feeling that a lot of those snap anger reviews are people with hundreds upon hundreds of hours played. They've clearly enjoyed their time with the product, making an opinion stated now pretty much a joke. Not saying they don't have a right to express their displeasure (I'd be pissed if I were a GTA modder!), but trying to claim Steam is any sort of basis for reasoned discussion is laughable at best.

Why do people keep saying this cynical garbage? You can only show displeasure when it's presented. If this happened before I purchased the game and beat the single player almost a year ago, I would never have given these dudes any money.

For you.

Unless 90% of people who have purchased GTAV boycott all future products in the series, Take Two isn't going to give a shit. People are going to buy GTA because it's GTA, and the PC market for it is nothing compared to the consoles. A quick steamspy check suggests ~15%.
Okay, Steam reviews aren't trash, but they're a joke. I have a feeling that a lot of those snap anger reviews are people with hundreds upon hundreds of hours played. They've clearly enjoyed their time with the product, making an opinion stated now pretty much a joke. Not saying they don't have a right to express their displeasure (I'd be pissed if I were a GTA modder!), but trying to claim Steam is any sort of basis for reasoned discussion is laughable at best.

The product objectively got shittier, so adjusting a review to be negative is totally justified. Without mods, it's a terrible game.
Not sure why you're talking about Steamspy: the only copies it counts are the ones directly bought on the steam store, since it's a social club key everywhere else.

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It's not about how good a developer Rockstar is. Rockstar is not the issue here. If anything, they've already endorsed the use of mods. It's the shitty company that is pulling their strings that is pulling this bullshit.

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And how are R*/T2 supposed to know what exactly people are voting for and why exactly their unhappy? This is how. "Voting with your wallets" by itself is meaningless because R* aren't mind-readers. This lets them know exactly why people are unhappy. It's not an either-or situation.

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Take Two sent the OpenIV developers a C&D, it is used to modify the game, with it people create mods for the game, such as vehicle and texture mods etc.
It is used for the single player portion of the game and you can't access online with it installed.

Would be a great point if there would not be data, which leave no place for imagniry ridicoulus maybes. The ammount of people playing are steady at there were no major falloff, especially not in the region you claim