Craig,
I'll try not to extend this off-topic thread but I have to say your mention
of the treasure trove in the Subscription Library whets the appetite!! Never
realised it contained any such thing. Cornish language stuff amongst it?
Ewan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Weatherhill" <craig at agantavas.org>
To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
> Bridgers was a well-known bookshop in Penzance and the last Mr Bridger
> had the bookshop in Chapel Street (now the Penzance Bookshop, now run by
> Tim Wallace). So, I'm afraid that Bridgers no longer exists as a
> Penzance institution.
>> Penzance has the Public Library in Morrab Road and also the Penzance
> Subscription Library in Morrab House, Morrab Gardens. The latter is a
> treasure house (its recent President was John Cornwell, better known as
> John le Carre, who lives on the cliffs west of Lamorna Cove).
>> Craig
>>> On 2 Efn 2010, at 08:07, Ken MacKinnon wrote:
>>> Many thanks for your response, Ewan.
>>>> There is an issue of 'on topic' with this discussion group. Strictly
>> speaking I understand it to be confinedfairly strictly to matters
>> relating to spelling issues - especially around KS and the SWF.
>>>> We may be directed to conduct this correspondence separately from the
>> list. In that case, it would be as well to have your personal email
>> address. Mine is below.
>>>> I looked for Bridger's Library recently - it is a bookshop. Like many
>> such it seems to have succumbed.
>>>> There are about a dozen or so worship services held in Cornwall between,
>> Anglican, Methodist and Catholic churches. The Methodists may be in the
>> majority. There are a number of local preachers who are Cornish
>> speakers and who conduct them. ( I am probably unique in Scotland as a
>> Methodist local preacher who has actually conducted services in Gaelic.)
>>>> Best wishes for your continued Cornish studies. - Ken
>>>>>>>>>> Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband with new e-mail addresses:-
>>>>ken at ferintosh.org>> and also at:-
>>ken.ferintosh at googlemail.com>>>> My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.
>>>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon
>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>> Ross-shire IV 7 8HX
>> Scotland UK
>>>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ewan wilson"
>> <butlerdunnit at ntlworld.com>> >
>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
>>>>>>> Dear Ken,
>>>>>> ...'fystynna yn lent.' ....or in my case, 'hast moy, spedya le', if
>>> you'll forgive the probably contorted Cornish!
>>>>>> I think when one is learning a language largely on one's own the
>>> temptation is to try to run before one can even toddle and let
>>> enthusiasm outmatch proper attention to detail. And with Cornish having
>>> three to four versions, not counting the SWF/KS addition it gets even
>>> more complicated! However the main thing I think is to master the main
>>> outline of the syntax and a good basic vocabulary.
>>> Personally I find the best way to get to grips is to read a little each
>>> day, keep going over the grammar points and begin a daily, very modest
>>> diary entry to build some confident recall.
>>> Happily I'm beginning to get a feel for the mutations as well- they're
>>> definitely a shade more challenging than Scots Gaelic's blessedly
>>> single mutation and its splendid orthography system that cleverly
>>> enables one to know the unmutated root sound.
>>>>>> I'm very fond of my Cornish Simplified and Cornish For Beginners. I got
>>> both years ago in James Thin in Edinburgh in anticipation of doing the
>>> Hons Cornish paper but sadly by the time I got to that stage Donald
>>> Howells had retired to Stornoway, I believe.He was a very nice Welshman
>>> and wore his learning in unassuming manner. Bridger's Library- is that
>>> the Library at the top of Morrab Road?
>>> One thing about Cornish- it obviously has a very rich theological
>>> vocabulary, whether one includes the 'borrowings' or not. It is great
>>> to think the whole New Testament is now available in the UCR and KK.
>>> I'd love to see it in Late as well.
>>> I assume from what has been mentioned that The Gorsedd held fast to
>>> Unified until the recent intoduction of the SWF and never adopted KK
>>> which rather surprised me, given support for KK from the Kesva.
>>>>>> On a more narrowly focused Spellyans topic, may I point out that the
>>> 'wh' combination presents absolutely no problem to any Scotsman as we
>>> pronounce it just as it should be in Cornish- a voicless aspirate ( not
>>> the proper technical term which for the moment escapes me!) What do
>>> others make of reversing the order of the letters to 'hw'? Phonetically
>>> does that not imply a different sound of 'h' followed by 'w'? I can see
>>> why it might seem more helpful to those lacking the aspirate 'wh' in
>>> English, but surely it is not THAT difficult a sound to learn to
>>> articulate?
>>>>>> On the Prayer Book publications, etc I shall certainy seek them out.
>>> Are there ever any Cornish services held in non conformist chapels or
>>> churches? I have no problem with Low Anglican services but in Cornwall
>>> I think most are very Anglo-Catholic which I couldn't really be doing
>>> with. Sadly, I believe St Paul's in Penzance is now closed. We used to
>>> worship there and in the beautifully maintained, very traditional
>>> Baptist Church down the road where Rev Hywel Roberts was minister.
>>>>>> Anyway, must stop here.
>>>>>> Ewan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken MacKinnon" <ken at ferintosh.org>
>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ewan,
>>>>>>>> Many thanks for your reply. I did not know Simpson but am very long
>>>> acquainted with Donald Meek who was at Edinburgh before becoming Prof
>>>> at Aberdeen - and then returned to Edinburgh as research professor.
>>>> We were close colleagues when I had an honorary fellowship in Celtic
>>>> at Edinburgh - and we were also members ( he as chair) of MAGOG, and
>>>> were both nvolved in drafting ithe Meek Report.
>>>>>>>> Lampeter has taught Cornish. In fact some years ago I was part of a
>>>> HEFCW team which inspected Celtic Studies there - and amongst other
>>>> things I sat in on an actual Cornish class.
>>>>>>>> I have over recent years been working my way up the Cornish exams of
>>>> the Language Board ( Kesva). I have done these in Unified
>>>> principally because that was the version I had most familiarity with.
>>>> I pourchased Caradar's Cornush Simplified ( first edition) in 1949 (
>>>> at Bridger's Library in Penzance). My studies of Cornish have been
>>>> very much a case of fystynna yn lent! - Ken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband with new e-mail addresses:-
>>>>>>>>ken at ferintosh.org>>>> and also at:-
>>>>ken.ferintosh at googlemail.com>>>>>>>> My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.
>>>>>>>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon
>>>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>>> Ross-shire IV 7 8HX
>>>> Scotland UK
>>>>>>>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ewan wilson"
>>>> <butlerdunnit at ntlworld.com>>>> >
>>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 11:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good Evening, Ken!
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for filling me in on your teaching background.
>>>>> Did you ever know J M Y Simpson who used to run our late, lamented
>>>>> Linguistics Dept in Glasgow Uni? I think he ended up in Aberdeen for
>>>>> a time. He had a great interest in Gaelic and was an SNP man, like
>>>>> Prof Derek Thomson.( the demise of Gairm was such a pity).
>>>>> I admit whilst I enjoyed the basic phonetics, the rarefied theories
>>>>> of phonemics, transformation-generative grammar and stratificational
>>>>> linguistics more bamboozled than enlightened me! I still wonder if
>>>>> anyone has actually ever fully analysed a language in
>>>>> Stratificational method.
>>>>> Donald Meek was also in Glasgow before he took over the Aberdeen
>>>>> department.
>>>>> Which version of the Revived do you tend to favour?
>>>>>>>>>> Ewan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken MacKinnon" <ken at ferintosh.org>>>>> >
>>>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:48 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A gowetha ker,
>>>>>>>>>>>> For the record there is a 'Book of Common Prayer' in Cornish. I
>>>>>> have a copy which carres the imprimatur of the Diocese of Truro and
>>>>>> the Bishop of Truro. Dated 1980. A contact address is given:-
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Secretary, Bishop's Advisory Council for Services in Cornish,
>>>>>> c / o The Diocesan Office, Convent of the Epiphany, Mitchell Hill,
>>>>>> Truro.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Give them a try - Ken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband with new e-mail addresses:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>ken at ferintosh.org>>>>>> and also at:-
>>>>>>ken.ferintosh at googlemail.com>>>>>>>>>>>> My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Prof) Ken MacKinnon
>>>>>> Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,
>>>>>> The Black Isle, by Dingwall,
>>>>>> Ross-shire IV 7 8HX
>>>>>> Scotland UK
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 01349 - 863460
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Everson"
>>>>>> <everson at evertype.com>>>>>> >
>>>>>> To: "Standard Cornish discussion list" <spellyans at kernowek.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:40 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Spellyans] Blejyow or Flowrys?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30 May 2010, at 23:10, ewan wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mention your work on lexical stuff and I wonder if that means
>>>>>>>> you are intending eventually to produce a new dictionary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been working on text concordances to verify spellings for
>>>>>>> consistency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask mainly because I'm thinking of investing in Nicholas' most
>>>>>>>> recent (UCR) dictionary to help me with his New Testament which
>>>>>>>> I'm also hoping to acquire. If the latter's going to end up in SWF
>>>>>>>> or KS then perhaps I should hold off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both are very valuable books and you can order them from Spyrys a
>>>>>>> Gernow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My own ultimate aim is to attempt a translation of the Westminster
>>>>>>>> Confession of Faith and Shorter Catechism into Cornish. I've made
>>>>>>>> a start to the Catechism but it's halting work!! Is the Book of
>>>>>>>> Common Prayer available in Cornish?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, but Andy Phillips' prayerbook is available.
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