All about a manege (menage)

Menage or manege?

Well... if you say menage to a Frenchman he'll think of households - as in 'menage a trois' - and certainly won't connect you with horses. The correct term for a schooling area for horses is manege!

Selecting an appropriate size..

The most common size is a standard 40 x 20 metre school. This is quite adequate for most domestic needs, but you may need to extend it to 60 x 20 if you intend to do a lot of jumping or dressage. Don't just add 5 metres here and there, because you will lose the standard circle sizes needed for dressage training. Commercial yards have completely different needs, and often have to cater for more than one lesson taking place at any time - which means a doubling or even tripling of the standard surface areas.The vast majority of maneges built are 40 x 20 metres.

Budget for your manege

Depending on the final surface, this figure can vary a great deal. There is, however, a bottom line below which you really cannot go - this works out at around £15,000 and is based on the appropriate quantities of materials described below, with a rough allowance for labour and machinery to build it. If someone quotes less than this - they are cutting corners somewhere - go through the quote with a toothcomb - check specifications for materials, and insist on samples of everything before committing. I've seen schools built that have cost upwards of £100,000, but never much below £18,000.

Type of construction...

There are a number of essential aspects to a manege. Each of these must be present in one form or another to enable the finished product to work properly. If you cut money off the project, you will end up compromising one or another of these stages, with the inevitable result that you have a wet, soggy school in winter.

Initial site selection,excavation and levelling..

Site selection is not just an aesthetic process. You need to ensure that it is high enough to be drainable - and that there is sufficient fall on outlet pipes to be able to carry this water to a nearby main drainage channel - nearby stream, ditch or stormwater drain. Bear in mind that the volume of water that is produced by a well built manege in even an average rainstorm is quite phenomenal - a 4 inch outlet pipe can frequently be seen to gush water at at flow rate of several thousand gallons an hour. It is vitally important to ensure that the surface you are to work with is flat. On sloping ground, we use a system called 'cut and fill' - digging out the high bits, and putting that material into the low parts. It's important that you realise that this process must be done properly. Any material which is used to fill low areas MUST be compacted and allowed to settle properly - natural settlement of soil and clay is a process that can take up to 12 or 18 months to achieve full compaction. Initially you can expect slumping and settlement of up to 25% of the initial volume. This means that if a contractor digs out a metre of material and dumps it on the 'downside' of a slope, you can expect that side to end up settling down a good 6 to 12 inches depending on how well the contractor compacted it when he put it there. If you dont allow for this slumping, your school surface will end up with dips and hollows in it, or at worst, will slope badly in the direction of the filled area. To avoid this, you can make up areas that need filling with hardcore instead of soil, which doesnt slump significantly. This then leaves a problem of disposal of excavated material - often we can find a hollow in a field somewhere that needs filling, or at worst, it has to be carted away. Of course, there is no reason why a relatively flat site cannot have a manege built on top of it - the fencing is used to retain the various layers, by using timber or concrete boards attached to the fence posts. Bear in mind that the total thickness of various layers can be 350 or 400mm. Note that topsoil should always be removed.- it contains a lot of organic material which rots and blocks drainage.

Manege drainage structure

There are a number of options available for a drainage structure - but they all have one thing in common - channelling water away from the surface as quickly as possible. The most common arrangement is to run a central 'spine' down the middle of the school - the centre line - and pipes are then laid at an angle to this in a herringbone pattern, which reach out to the outer edges of the school. The herringbone pipes should be laid at no more than 5 metre intervals. All drains should have a minimum gradient of 6mm per metre length, giving the total fall in drainage from one end of a 20 x 40 school of about .25 of a metre, or 10 inches. You can vary this pattern if, for example the school is built on a hillside - the drains can be laid to discharge water onto the downslope side. Care must be taken to ensure that you dont end up with a concentrated gush of water being discharged onto the hillside and causing erosion.

Drains must be the perforated plastic 100mm land drainage type, laid in a trench roughly twice the depth of the pipe, which is lined with geotextile membrane. The pipe is laid in the trench, which has been lined with membrane, and the trench filled with clean pea gravel. The central spine is then connected to a discharge main, usually a solid 4 inch stormwater pipe is used, which is then directed into the nearest drainage channel such as a ditch.

Membrane to use under a menage surface

Once the drainage channels are complete, the entire area is covered in geotextile membrane. This seals the drainage channels and prevents mud from mixing with either the drain channels or the next layer to be added - the actual porous drainage bed lying underneath your surface material.

Type of Drainage bed for a menage

This is an essential part of any manege - it acts as a reservoir for water falling in heavy downpours, and allows rapid dispersal of water from the working surface. It must be non degradable material - one of the most popular used these days is clean road planings. Crushed rock is ideal - BUT - do NOT use oolitic limestone, which gradually breaks down and produces a very sticky, muddy clay which blocks the drainage system very quickly (hard, grey limestone - if washed, is OK). Igneous rocks such as granite and dolerite, and slate being ideal. Crushed flint is an option in Norfolk. I prefer to use 40mm clean stone - this is by far the best size - 6" of 40mm clean stone will provide the best drainage bed you could wish for, and is easy to level and spread. Crushed hardcore is often suggested. This is fine so long as it is CLEAN, and does not contain crushed old bricks. The old red bricks that are often present in hardcore will break down and produce sticky clay as well (they are made from brick clay in the first place). If there is plenty of crushed concrete, without the fine dust that often accompanies it, you won't have a problem. You MUST insist that any hardcore used is screened to remove all fines, and that ONLY material from 25 to 75 mm in size is delivered. Even a moderate proportion of fines will slowly work their way through the hardcore and end up sitting on the membrane underneath, blocking it. The total thickness of this layer should be at least 100mm (4 inches) or more. Translated into volumes and tonnes, you are looking at around 80 cubic metres, (at 100mm thickness) or roughly 180 tonnes - assuming decent sized lorries carrying 12 to 17 tonnes, you are going to need at least 10 lorry loads. It needs to be settled and rolled to ensure it can't move below the top surface with the weight of horses working on it.

Membrane

On top of the drainage bed, you need another layer of membrane. This keeps the working surface completely separate from the drainage bed. There are two reasons for doing this - one, it is then impossible for the work surface to fill the pores of the drainage bed and block it. Two - you are at liberty to change surfaces simply by raking the material off the membrane layer, and replacing it - the drainage bed is still kept intact and fully functional. Membrane should be tacked or stapled to the boards around the edge of the school, and the joints should be well taped to stop them from opening up or slipping sideways when the surface is being put down.

Fencing for a manege

I have described fencing on the Do It Yourself page - How to Build Your Own Manege... with some diagrams - have a good look at this. We normally cut square posts, but you can use either square cut rails or rounded, sepending on how you like it to look.

Selecting a Working Surface for your manege

This is the point at which we see the most variance. To some extent it is covered in the next section, selection of appropriate surface, but we'll briefly discuss surfaces here too. To protect the membrane which covers the drainage bed, we usually use a layer of clean, washed silica sand. This is NOT the material sold in Cornwall and Devon as silica sand, which is a clay ridden by-product of china clay mining. It usually comes from the quarries in Cheshire which are worked for foundry sand, and contains little or no fines and impurities. You need to allow for a depth of at least 50mm, preferably 100mm. Translated into volumes and tonnes, you are looking at around 80 cubic metres, (at 100mm thickness) or roughly 140 tonnes - assuming decent sized lorries carrying 12 to 17 tonnes, you are going to need at least 9 or 10 lorry loads.

There ARE surfaces around these days which don't need sand underneath them. If you are using the shredded carpet / insulation material derived from scrap cars, a 6 to 9 inch layer of this material can be laid directly on top of the membrane. ( There are some vendors who insist that with this material you dont need a membrane over the stone - DON'T omit the membrane - its a fatal error you'll regret!) I would still protect it with a little sand anyway - just to prevent sharp hooves nicking it, but it comes down to choice and budget at this point. Essentially, if the material you are using doesnt break down in any way (eg shredded carpet / insulation, medical rubber or shredded window seals) you can get away with it. Shredded car tyres do tend to break down and block drainage beds after a while, so be careful that if using this material, you make sure it cannot get to the drainage bed. It is also on the list of nasty environmental stuff that councils won't approve these days on account of toxic runoff. Our worst case surface is shredded wood - several vendors are offering shredded pallets, claiming that they dont break down - I've seen a surface made from this material which in 2 years had almost rotted away. Bark chip is the same - it rots down, breaks up, and produces large amounts of dust in summer. Steer clear from it if you can afford to - its a false economy.

What type of menage surface to select..

This is a tricky question to answer at the best of times. We always say to people that they need to go and ride as many surfaces as they can before making a decision. If you can't ride it, ask people. Try to ask professionals who know the effect the surface is having on their horses and riding - and ask showjumpers as well as dressage riders. You will need to give thought to the use to which your manege is to be put - if you are mainly jumping, it is more important to protect the membrane with sand, and to select a surface that gives a little natural spring - if dressage, try to avoid anything that your horse sinks into or that causes him to drag his feet. In general, surfaces for jumping tend to be bigger, springier materials than those for dressage - the shredded carpet / insulation material is ideal for this, although it can be used for dressage too, because its fairly light, and tends to bed down over time into a springy mat. Silica sand with shredded door seals, medical rubber, or chopped telephone cables are all good surfaces for flatwork. The best surfaces these days tend to contain wax - it holds everything together, stops the sand blowing away, and provides a springy, resilient surface - but... it's expensive, as the best always is.

Things to avoid at all cost when you build your menage..

Don't give the job to someone who claims they can do the job for less than the figures we are quoting on these pages. If its cheaper, they have to be leaving something out - and you will regret it for ever and a day! Get them to quote on a detailed specification, and watch them like a hawk when they do the job to ensure they are putting in the materials and quantities specified and quoted on.

All too often we are asked to comment on an old school that just doesnt work the way it used to. There are two main problems that crop up again and again. They are:

Incorrect or inadequate drainage bed beneath the surface.

If a school has been put down cheaply, the easiest corner to cut is this one. You simply don't put sufficient land drains beneath the surface to carry away the volume of water that is produced in a rainstorm. Water builds up quickly, and flows away slowly. The drains need to be 'wrapped' in membrane to stop them from blocking - all too often this isnt done and the little holes in the pipes slowly block with clay and sand.

The other corner that is often cut is to leave out a drainage bed of stone - if the surface is laid directly onto the ground, there is no depth into which surface water can drain as it makes its way into the drainage pipes to leave the area. This is one of the commonest problems - you can cut up to £2000 off the cost of a school by omitting this step, but you will forever curse having done so.

Inappropriate surface

This is something I see so often - and can be regional in nature. In Cornwall and Devon there has been a huge amount of lovely white silica sand produced as a by-product of china clay mining.. Umm .... CLAY mining!!!! Don't touch the stuff! I've seen literally tens of these things, all producing vast amounts of white dust when you ride them in the summer, and in winter they are a sticky wet mess. The mines cannot wash all of the kaolin out of the sand, and you are effectively buying puddling clay to stick on top of your beautiful drainage bed. One of the biggest teaching / competition venues in the area has several arenas surfaced like this, and I've seen people literally doing the water jump when warming up for the showjumping in wet weather.

Another suspect material to use is bark or woodchip. These work fine for a year or two, but ALWAYS break down into a soggy mess after a year or two. You are dumping tonne after tonne of organic material onto your drainage bed that wants nothing other than to rot down into lovely compost - nice fine, crumbly, clayey brown stuff that clogs everything! Vendors will do anything to convince you that its treated, and wont break down - but it always does in the end - at which point you are left with a blocked drainage system, and a very dusty surface in summer.

Although not really 'inappropriate', shredded tyres are fast becoming obsolete because of environmental concerns. If you are offered shredded tyres - think long and hard before getting it - odds are that someone is trying to offload what is soon to be classified as hazardous environmental waste, and you won't thank them if the planners or environment office find out. Its already banned in Europe.

Do I need planning permission for a menage?

Yes. No exceptions. Anywhere. Depending on the authority, they usually need 5 sets of existing and proposed plans and elevations together with engineering details covering drainage, construction, fencing and detail of where the water runoff will be directed. You will have to provide samples of the proposed surface.

This spectacular school in Shropshire is finished with a Martin Collins wax surface. The top edge is a 42 metre stone wall, over 5 feet high, built from local stone quarried on the site. The area was 'cut and filled', with the filled side taking 5 years to settle before the surface was finished and laser levelled. Fencing and gates courtesy of our good friends at Dudmaston Sawmill across the river.
Total cost of this project was over £40,000.
The views whilst riding are incredible - the Severn Valley Steam railway runs in a cutting below (the opening scenes of Chronicles of Narnia were filmed here).

Check out the Government insulation schemes

Listen to the salesman.

Does he check your walls carefully for rubble?

Does he tell you the cavity is old, and unsuitable?

Does he talk about condensation?

No... he will tell you it's free, your home will be nice and warm, the Nice Government is giving you something for nothing... and he will do his utmost to get you to agree to it there and then .. pressure sales.

Pink Pigs have more chance of flying than the salesman is honest, or knows anything about what problems he is about to unleash on your house. But Go Ahead - check out their claims, and let us know your experiences - we like to hear the case histories of these scams, whether Government sponsored or not.

It's Condensation Season!

The Haynes Manual for Period Property

Ian Rock has written another of his great books. This one is even better - We've helped Ian with this one and there's loads of photos of our guys doing timber frame work. A great book, with lots of practical information you need if you have an old home. Treat yourself and buy this - you won't regret it!

Share this page

If you've found this site useful, please share it with your friends!

About Us

The Heritage House brand was Petes brainchild. He lives in a beautiful old farmhouse in Shropshire with mad horse - Lucy. He's worked all over the world on old buildings, and with a strong background in geochemistry is passionate about ensuring the 'Rising Damp' myth is firmly buried. His Partner, Richard handles work in London. Pete has an all consuming project to re-open a Victorian lead mine in the Northern Pennines - digging out and exploring miles of abandoned tunnels in the search for crystal lined cavities... The shaft they've dug is currently 250 feet deep! Just before Christmas, Pete broke into the first of the crystal filled workings and is cleaning and preparing beautiful crystal specimens of fluorite.

The website is owned by Campylite Investments Ltd (campylite). Pete and the crew are consultants to campylite and sister company, Heritage Consulting Ltd.

Disclaimer

Note! The opinions expressed on this website are often Pete's. They are frequently strong, unambiguous, and based on extensive experience of what goes on out there. Pete does not like to see the buying public being conned, defrauded, duped, sold a lemon, given bad or misleading advice, or crap surveys using equipment that is unsuited for the job. If you don't like what is written here - don't threaten us - clean your act up.