Panda is not even the best alliance race for my class ignoring the fact that you lose the benefits upon death/resurrection. Worgen is the top hunter race because 600 crit rating is superior to 300 agility.

Yes, you can act all superior that you know everything but you know this is not correct for all classes.

Also temporary haste procs are OP - which is why an int/str/agi proc is the most important raiding prof? Get your arguments together bro this is just embarrassing to read right now.

Originally Posted by Endus

which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

Panda is not even the best alliance race for my class ignoring the fact that you lose the benefits upon death/resurrection. Worgen is the top hunter race because 600 crit rating is superior to 300 agility.

Why are you and most other hunters hardgemming agility then? Makes no sense.

Because socket bonuses exist and differences in stat scaling changes weights around at different aggregate levels.

Right socket bonus. Red = agility, yellow = haste/agi, blue = hit/agi and pure agility in prismatic. That sure sounds like you only go for agility because of socket bonuses. Oh wait no, it sounds like 1 agility is better than 2 secondaries. Different levels of gear may indeed end up in varying results of stat values, but as far as I'm aware hunters haven't ever reached a point of 2 secondaries > 1 agility. So no, worgen racial of 600 crit will not outshine panda racial of 300 agility.

Kinda going off-topic but couldn't avoid commentating on your last sentence... Adding more RNG isn't a solution to the problem. You're going to have awesome pulls and meh pulls a lot more than we're seeing now, with no real nerf to the syncing of abilities given that most burst/snapshot happens in the first 10 seconds for most classes.

Exactly. The solution is to tone down all of these absurd procs and make more consistent/passive trinkets like we had in the past. Alternatively, they could realize that trinkets shouldn't be 20%+ of your DPS contribution from gear and make more sane trinkets.

Originally Posted by kidsafe

Panda is not even the best alliance race for my class ignoring the fact that you lose the benefits upon death/resurrection. Worgen is the top hunter race because 600 crit rating is superior to 300 agility.

No, it isn't. 300 Agi is worth almost 30% more than 600 crit rating for Hunters. Our secondary scaling is among the worst in the game.

Midwinter, Scrubbusters and that 10 man alliance guild. Why? They're the only 25 man guilds competing for top 5~ on a frequent basis. Is this a narrow minded view? Perhaps, but guilds who take 2 months to get to Thok and then can't kill Thok are not being held back by horde racials. For the record I think Thok should be changed. If it was Immerseus or something people wouldn't care, but Thok is very deep into the raid.

If it wasn't such a massive cost to faction change among other things (like history etc) then SB would had done the faction switch a few tiers ago. We even complained during ptr about the horde troll racial (can check halby's post), and tbh blizzard's post about that only the top does that, just makes it more clear that they accept the risk of the top brass go mostly horde.

Midwinter, Scrubbusters and that 10 man alliance guild. Why? They're the only 25 man guilds competing for top 5~ on a frequent basis. Is this a narrow minded view? Perhaps, but guilds who take 2 months to get to Thok and then can't kill Thok are not being held back by horde racials. For the record I think Thok should be changed. If it was Immerseus or something people wouldn't care, but Thok is very deep into the raid.

I would say most of us would love to be horde, but luun is a big jerk and hates us all. The main problem is that changing to horde on our realm isnt an option so we would have to change realm also. $$$$ wtb 50% off week again

I would say most of us would love to be horde, but luun is a big jerk and hates us all. The main problem is that changing to horde on our realm isnt an option so we would have to change realm also. $$$$ wtb 50% off week again

While the racial imbalance is apparent, I don't think outside of the troll beast racial it actually contributes all that much. A 50k wipe as Alliance would probably mean a kill as Horde, but how often are there 50k wipes happening? It's normally a 20-30 million HP wipe, especially at the health pools HC is tuned at.

I don't think it's worth the time to change, myself. The population is skewed to alliance still so I don't know what you're talking about.

Have you completely forgot about the top-guilds (kinda, we're talking about all 13/13 hc. Still a minority but far more considerable than the few competing for world firsts) argument or are you ignoring it? Here, I'll phrase it better for you. The quality raiding population is skewed in favor of horde.

While the racial imbalance is apparent, I don't think outside of the troll beast racial it actually contributes all that much. A 50k wipe as Alliance would probably mean a kill as Horde, but how often are there 50k wipes happening? It's normally a 20-30 million HP wipe, especially at the health pools HC is tuned at.

Yea, if you're getting 50K wipes on beast bosses this tier there are bigger issues those players need to address. Such as not standing in rock falls, not standing in feed pools, kiting Ice Beams, or interrupting poison.

Yea, if you're getting 50K wipes on beast bosses this tier there are bigger issues those players need to address. Such as not standing in rock falls, not standing in feed pools, kiting Ice Beams, or interrupting poison.

The problem with that is that it creates a huge population shift. Since most of the big guilds are moving horde or already are, lots of the smaller guilds follow because there's going to be a bigger pool of raiders to recruit from. Over time this makes alliance raiding at any level more and more difficult since the potential recruit go Horde and find groups much more easily.

Except there are more Horde on pvp realms as well and the alliance barely has an advantage in population in high-ranked pvp. Horde racials compete with the human one(which is the racial of a SINGLE alliance race) in pvp and are much better in pve as well.