Well, don't you think that your situation--maybe I'm
putting words in your mouth where I probably shouldn't--but
because you're a strong person that you haven't had too
much trouble with RCA. But look at NAL for instance and
the Times-Mirror, or whatever.

Cerf:

That was because NAL was being miserably managed.
Curt Enoch and Victor Weybright were first rate, but when
they came to a parting of the ways, for reasons that I know
not, they were replaced by people who didn't know what they
were doing, and, as a result, they ran into a heap of trouble.

Q:

But you have been lucky with Grosset and Dunlap. You
have been able to get the right people.

Cerf:

Yes.

Q:

This is part of the situation. Do you think it is
because publishers ran Grosset and Dunlap?

Cerf:

Certainly.

Q:

And these other people don't know... they meet a bright
young boy and they think, “Ah!”