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What a sick, sick place…the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
I posted this just before, but I wanted to post this again.
There will be a PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT about how unsafe lIERUBA is….it will be concerning all of the carribian but ARUBA will be menioned as UNSAFE. in about 30 days. its http://www.travel.state.gov…HURRAY

Gunslinger on
January 16th, 2007 2:07 pm

The Eagles
Get Over It

I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin’ “Don’t blame me”
They point their crooked little fingers at everbody else
spend all their time feelin’ sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma’s too thin; your daddy’s too fat

Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin’ and cryin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it

You say you haven’t been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if they gave you some cash
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let’s kill all the lawyers – kill ‘em tonight
You don’t want to work; you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn’t owe you a thing

Get over it
Get over it
If you don’t want to play, then you might as well split
Get over it, get over it

It’s like going to confession every time I hear you speak
You’re makin’ the most of your losin’ streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak

You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin’ everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I’d like to find your inner child and kick its little ass

Get over it
Get over it
All this bitchin’ and moanin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it

Get over it
Get over it
It’s gotta stop sometime, so why don’t you quit
Get over it, get over it

Well Im happy to hear that KJ did the appeal and is trying to block Paul from recieving monies

Miss-Underestimated on
January 16th, 2007 3:24 pm

Who was that old man sitting next to Natalee at the Casino, the last night Natalee was ever seen again? It looks like Natalee is pointing toward Joran and is engaged in a conversation with that old man. In fact to me Natalee looks very uncomfortable sitting next to that old man. Hmmmmmm.

Let’s see if this judge is a puppet? Hey judgey, we watching. Hey Aruba, better watch that judge, he may give your hard earned money away.

Dayhiker on
January 16th, 2007 3:25 pm

Count on those judges to find a way to make that joke they call the Dutch System look even more corrupt and slimey than it already does. They have made Holland the laughing stock of the world when it comes to prosecuting their favored citizens.

Freebrid on
January 16th, 2007 4:13 pm

The nerve of Paulass! He has made a laughing stock out of Aruba! He’s mightie brave sueing Aruba for money after all the crap they have indured from this ass and his son! These poor people are doing with out jobs, money, and food because he and his son like to play! Wake up Aruba game over when will you finally call your check mate!! Don’t be scared you have all the pieces to the puzzle just use them!!

Maggie on
January 16th, 2007 5:09 pm

The VDS have no shame. The big shock was when they came to New York and weren’t greeted like they are in Aruba as celebrities.

isn’t your topic title wrong? It implies that Paul van der Sloot appealed the decision in which he got his money. From the article however it is clear that not Paul van der Sloot has filed an appeal, it is the State who has appealed the decision of the court.

So the title of your story is completely bogus with regard to this appeal.

minnesota dad on
January 16th, 2007 5:27 pm

YES!

Just like almost two years ago when I told ALE to get off of their butts and arrest Paulus…..and they did 24 hours later…..now it appears that someone in Aruba realizes that they need to unpeel the onion and finish this case!

The Aruban Prosecutors have appealed (VOID/REVERSE) the judgement made to give Paulus $30k. They should have appealed based on OVERWHELMING CONFLICT OF INTEREST, but it is not politically correct in the legal world to accuse a judge of corruption by pointing out decisions made under conflict of interest. By appealing the decision rather than requesting it thrown out due to C of I, the prosecutors can let the judges get out of this without damaging the ‘integrity’ of the court system (ha ha…..we know better).

With this decision reversed, they then need to go after Paulus to once again make him a suspect – because the facts that 1) he was hitting on her at the casino hours before her death, 2) his son brought her back to his home, and 3) his organizing the ‘no body/no crime’ cover-up and Holiday Inn story; make him clearly a suspect in the case if not an accomplice (I maintain he is your main PERP).

Time is ticking….will Aruba ‘save face’ and put Paulus behind bars….or will they let their legal system continue to play games to protect and insulate Paulus from his crimes.

LET’S GO ARUBA! I will only have faith that your intentions are good here when Paulus is put behind bars. You currently have no credibility to do the right thing – even though it does appear that you are taking the first steps to right your wrongs. MD

Kate on
January 16th, 2007 5:51 pm

Wouldn’t you think that the VDS’s would fear for their well being, as the situation in Aruba becomes more desperate? But, this family is instead shameless. What kind of inbreeding occurs to enable people like the VDS’s to rationalize that they “deserve” monetary compensation for damages brought upon THEM?

JusticeforNatalee on
January 16th, 2007 5:52 pm

MD,

With this decision reversed, they then need to go after Paulus to once again make him a suspect – because the facts that 1) he was hitting on her at the casino hours before her death, 2) his son brought her back to his home, and 3) his organizing the ‘no body/no crime’ cover-up and Holiday Inn story; make him clearly a suspect in the case if not an accomplice (I maintain he is your main PERP).

Please, please, please send these ideas to someone who can see them through.
If you haven’t already

R-squared on
January 16th, 2007 6:10 pm

He’s got more nerve than OJ.

Kat_Gram on
January 16th, 2007 6:12 pm

Why behind closed doors ?
I don’t understand why all these damn secrets.
Is this the usual S.O.P. in Aruba or Holland. ?
I could see this if there was some kind of terrorist or national security case, but this case ?

Roy on
January 16th, 2007 6:13 pm

Patti, Gloria: Thanx ladies for taking the time to respond a few evenings back…The blackmail I was referring to goes alot deeper than your explanations but we can respectfully disagree on it.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched Julia Renfro and Tacopina basically run over Greta Van Susteran with their dominating opinions, not to mention always giving them the last word….even still, watching Greta grudgingly state she was “inclined to believe Joran” when he said nothing that was at all convincing…. If it looks like it and smells like it…must be blackmail.
I sat down with my wife last week and we went through and high-lighted no less than 70 blatant and subtle examples of blackmail in less than an hour, some directed at Jossy, some at Oduber, but surprisingly, many directed at Mountain Brook….When we overlap the different stories, many of the stories we have come to accept here as gold, ie, the roofie, the cab-ride, seem to fall to the way-side.
And if Julia, Taco, Croes, Oduber, J2K, Jannsen, Stratten..Aruba is black-mailing us…I’d say they are pretty much in someone’s face about it in the same way Julia became confrontational with Mr. Twitty or when Rudy Croe’s stated “Someone needs to shut that bitch up”… When I look at my Mountainbrook list and put it all together….It sounds like they are saying, “We did you a favor, now it’s your turn, but trying to do it in a way that stays out of earshot of Dave and Beth….
What can I say? I think I know where this is going because of the phone call, and regardless of what is being said in Aruba or America about there not being one… I don’t believe it….It explains too many things! Hope you guys are doing well.

excuse me minnesota dad, but what crime would you want Paul van der Sloot imprisoned on? These bungling ALE cops cannot prove a case against his son. What should they accuse him off and how can they prove it is the question.

If the OM and the police are unable to provide evidence to warrant an arrest even for a few days, then how can they provide the evidence to sentence Paul van der Sloot.

Kat_Gram it is not uncommon for a case to be heard in private (especially non-criminal cases). Both the DA and the defendant can request such a closed door session.

Maggie on
January 16th, 2007 6:30 pm

Natalee stayed on the beach looking at stars two years ago because Joran had no condom and Paulus and Joran walk on water.. and that bungling police Straten stated just days after Natalee disappeared he believes Natalee was dead based on the evidence he seen. God, I love fairy tales.

The problem is that this case was intentionally botched in a secret effort to protect individuals and to maintain any attempt to keep what happened secret.

The continued efforts of maintaining secrecy in this case is a PR nightmare for Aruba.

If they wish to continue the secrecy joke, then so will continue the drop in tourism. Its as simple as that. Its not a matter of whether a prosecutor or Def Atty have a right to do it, its way beyond that at this point.

The only way Aruba will ever hope to regain any tourism will be for them to come clean and show transparency. Without that … more of the same will occur.

R

Dayhiker on
January 16th, 2007 7:23 pm

True, this is not a case of botching anything up, this is a case of covering everything up, all orchestrated by the law enforcement and judges on Aruba. The world has witnessed the Dutch on Aruba make a mockery of themselves. They have destroyed the reputation of the island for their own personal friends.

Big Lou on
January 16th, 2007 7:24 pm

Maggie#8, That is the sick part. They are treated like celebrities in Aruba. That is how sick Aruba is. Even if they solved this who in their right mind would go there?

Janet on
January 16th, 2007 7:26 pm

16. Rammstein

Unless the prosecutor, Karin Janssen, is completely inept I would assume that there had to be SOME foundation to her public words which, in turn, would justify Paulus Van der Sloot’s detainment.
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It is incomprehensible how the prosecutor could be all wrong in the grounds for her SERIOUS SUSPICIONS regarding Paulus, Joran, Deepak, Satish …. how she could be all wrong in her SERIOUS SUSPICIONS regarding the detainment of Steve Croes …. how she could be all wrong in her SERIOUS SUSPICIONS regarding the detainment of the Security Guards and …. not be held accountable to the “powers that be” in Holland.
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Ramm, logic dictates that something is not right with this picture!!!
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FOX NEWS
Friday, June 24, 2005
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Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.
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A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.
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The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) – the father of 17-year-old Joran – was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

‘The Abrams Report’ for June 29
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JANSSEN: The father has spoken with those three suspects and he said he gave them some legal advice, but I think the advices was going further than that. They spoke about the situation that when there is no body, you don’t have a case and that was already in the first day after the disappearance. And secondly, the father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. That is, well, I can say, was an obstruction of the investigation.
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Associated Press
June 8, 2005
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The two men were arrested Sunday on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to court-appointed defense attorneys Noraina Pietersz and Chris Lejuez.

Under Aruban law, only SERIOUS SUSPICION from investigators – not solid evidence – is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

Janet on
January 16th, 2007 7:36 pm

…. and Ramm, Mickey John’s words to Greta regarding his conversation with Deepak while detained should not be forgotten but, I assume the “powers that be” in Aruba either did not obtain an official statements from Mickey John and Deepak Kalpoe or …. the judge disregarded the statements.
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Mickey John
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On the Record w/ Greta
June 29, 2005
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JOHN:……. He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy’s father, they sit and made up the story.

Waterboy on
January 16th, 2007 7:37 pm

Lawyers will be lawyers, and I can’t stand any of them. I have some lawyer friends, and I use the term lightly. We are friends because of a common childhood. They don’t understand why I won’t spend much time with them, and why my wife and I very seldom do anything with them. I really don’t want to tell them that basically they are slime balls and I don’t want to hear the bragging about how smart they are and how they legally picked someone’s pocket.

Most lawyers’ minds are distorted, deformed, and warped; and they have lost all sense of right and wrong. They only see things as legal or illegal (no body, no case.)

Lawyers are an evil that I only use out of necessity. Try buying any real estate with out one, and see all the trouble you can get into.

I took a lawyer to Rotary, and I noticed that when he told people what he did, they just faded away. Later, he asks me if I noticed, and I told him I did. He asks me why, and I told him I don’t know, but really I do. People know that no matter how nice a lawyer appears to be, after they get to know him or her, they will hate them, so they just don’t want to waste their time.

minnesota dad on
January 16th, 2007 7:52 pm

Ramm = Paulus

Rammstein…thou protesteth too much.

You state: “These bungling ALE cops cannot prove a case against his son.”

You yourself know that it has nothing to do with bungling cops….and the case, though your son is involved, is about YOU.

Aruban prosecutors never even attempted to track down your timeline for the evening….despite having called you a suspect.

Your judicial friends showed up at your home and amended the search warrant to not search your home.

Your mattress, blood soaked, was found and weeks later you received a furniture delivery.

The former prosecutor stated that you interfered with the case numerous times early on.

You declared, “No corpse, no crime” in the hours after Natalee was killed and met with your son and the other two accomplices at your pool to lay out a strategy to try and get yourself out of your crimes.

Your judicial friends cleared you as a suspect and awarded you $30k in an attempt to distance you from your crimes.

So Rammer/Paulus, you show up here and try to make the case sound like a botched investigation into your son by ALE??? Give us all a big break.

Fortunately, someone on Aruba wants your butt nailed. They know what happened. They leaked the casino video showing you hitting on Natalee. They leaked the ‘Chicago Videos’ showing you and your boy leaving the place where the body was found (coincidentally, the same day that Aruba announced that there was an admission and they were currently going to where the body had been disposed of), and finally, they leaked aerial pictures of your home showing Dana’s Furniture delivering to your home after Natalee’s murder (can you say replacement mattress).

Someone wants your butt strung up Rammer….and now, your friends in the judiciary can no longer cover for your crimes. The noose is tightening. Come clean now and save Aruba, or continue to fight this and further destroy yourself and the innocent folks on your island.

So please don’t come here and pontificate as you have done in the past, I can assure you that there is more intelligence and schooling typing at this keyboard than there is on the keyboard of a failed judge in training.

You are the PERP….and it is time all judgements made by your black-robed buddies with OVERWHELMING CONFLICT OF INTEREST are reversed/voided so that you can be exposed and brought in.

Sorry monkeys for my rant…but I am tired of AHATA shills and Rammstein coming here with their crap. MD

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SM: For what it’s worth, I’m fairly certain Rammstein is NOT Paulus (klaasend)

You talk about information that is not readily made available to the public or not usually discussed here… I get you’re drift, but I don’t know how to react. Who was it that made the phone call requesting that the kids from Mountain Brook be told to turn off their phones? Are you suggesting that was done, in a sinister way, to keep Natalee from contacting her friends?

ben on
January 16th, 2007 8:12 pm

15,,,what are you talking about blackmail,,let us in on your theory,,your very vague here.

Hassan on
January 16th, 2007 8:13 pm

Minnesota Dad…I need to get some of that stuff you are smoking.You seem to think that you were the one responsible for Mr. Van der Dloot being arrested and now you think that Paulus is posting on an English speaking board aimed at destroying the Island of Aruba….Come on man.wake up!get a hobby or something.Your rants and wild speculations are humorous though….

Kat_Gram on
January 16th, 2007 8:29 pm

Ramm. I do not like SECRET court hearings.
Our system here in CANADA is open.
Heck, I could even go to most of them if I wanted to.
And if I didn’t have time to go, then I could go and listen to the tapes.
Sometimes, sensitive family custody things are closed and for good reason, but not these kinds of cases.
Maybe that is part of the problem in Aruba.
CLOSED HEARINGS make it appear as if they are doing something that they don’t want the eyes and ears of the people to get a look or hear what they are doing. No wonder no one trusts the ALE or the whole system in Aruba. Very unprogressive for this century.

#29 Kat: You’re right, SECRET implys one thing, let’s keep this from the public. And the logical deduction is because we don’t want them to be upset with what we decided.
Even ‘Closed Hearings’ are suspect but like you said, a little more palatable.

dennisintn on
January 16th, 2007 8:55 pm

#28, hassan, this board isn’t trying to destroy an island. it’s trying to get justice for an l8yr. old innocent who was “vanished” on an island where the people who run the island doesn’t want justice to happen. i don’t know how many times we’ve all stated our aims, and how many times those aims have been ignored and not understood by the people who run the island. hell will freeze over twice before we change our minds about our intent to have natalee returned to alabama, and see that justice is served. blaming the victim, bashing the victim’s virtues, trying to blame everybody and his brother for the island’s problems, and trying to play the sympathy card is not going to change anything. it only hardens our resolve.
dennisintn

From an earlier thread on this topic, I gather that no decision has yet been made, and that it is due out in February.

I wonder if the new prosecutor in Aruba will be taking this case in hand, and will carry forward with what Karin Janssen filed … an objection to the amount of damages awarded to van der Sloot.

Let’s see what happens in February; it’s just possible that it could be reflective of things to come. I’m certainly not hopeful, but one never knows. All that we need is for the Dutch to say enough is enough … certainly Aruba never will say it.

Allan K on
January 16th, 2007 9:20 pm

Aruba destroyed itself yet some Arubans and Dutch just can’t seem to see it. Idiots like Rudy blaming Natalee the victim for their downfall. Hell with em.

Isn’t today the day that the litigants were supposed to answer the lawsuit filed in California?

I was rather, hoping, that the Kalpoes were going to come foreward and tell the truth… the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

As for Paulus… he cares about no one but himself and this lawsuit is only about money and kissing ass.

Why does he do that? Ask the People of Aruba (meaning them in a constitutional concept as in We, the People, etc.) to kiss him? Perhaps he has kept this island under his control for so long that he wants to show off for them, flex his muscles, for the little ones.

His fight has always been against the Family of Natalee Holloway and everything that he does is hurtful. There is no good in him…

Wild Goose Chase…

mayan_moons on
January 16th, 2007 9:56 pm

Here we go again…….one comes here saying all hotels are full and another says aruba is self destructing.

mayan_moons on
January 16th, 2007 10:18 pm

I often wonder what aruba is smoking to let it get this far. Just shows how deeply rooted Aruba in the old days when they could just wait everything out & think they are going to be alright when they come out the other side.

The boycott is growing & i can’t wait til the new numbers come out.

Dayhiker on
January 16th, 2007 10:19 pm

The Van der Sloots are grade-A #1 scumbags. But JVDS and PVDS have said they know the truth and will tell it one day. What kinda BS is that? They know the truth but they’ll kill Aruba by not telling it? They are the scum of the earth.

Please post it here … I imagine he’ll make some comment about the new prosecutor. From sheer motives of prudence, he’ll probably say that he looks forward to working with her, etc.

Let’s see if something entirely different comes out.

yoyo muffintop on
January 16th, 2007 10:32 pm

Kat_Gram – Maybe they just did not want undue media attention, which was a point of reason by the plaintiffs in having the civil suit take place in New York rather than Aruba.

and Waterboy, so true. Never prop up one lawyer on a pedestal and bury the other. As you said, “Lawyers will be lawyers”.

gulf to bay on
January 16th, 2007 10:42 pm

Yea minnesota dad give some smoke to hassan so he will catch on. Minnesota dad has been on point. This investigation has been nothing but a joke. Its been clear that they are showing favoritism to hide the dark secrets behind closed doors. But i feel good karma will have the last say. There must be some big players involved for it to get this sillly and inept. What is the big secret what are you hiding and who are you trying to protect? You really think you can get away with rape and murder of a us citizen? You have got to be kidding. The van der sloots are desperate and are going down. I am ready for the trial if the prosecution has any balls. I doubt it they are cowards.

Richard, it would be almost impossible to bribe your way out of a problem by brining the judiciary. Now the police is a whole different kettle of fish though.

The judiciary in criminal cases (which are done almost exclusively in open court, except if it is a minor who is standing trial) are ruled upon by three judges. If one were able to buy 2 of the 3 judges the third judge would report them to the internal functionary to deal with it so you would need all three. Now those three would make a ruling to acquit, but they also have to explain in writing their decision. The DA’s office will appeal so you get an appeals court with 3 new judges (so now you need 6 judges, and nobody knows who will be assigned to what case, that is the president of the courts decision so you would need to bribe him too).

If by miracle of miracles (I think it would be like one person winning the superball lotto 1,000 times in a row or something like that) you would succeed in buying the 6 judges and the president of the court, the DA will then just appeal again and the odds of you actually bribing the supreme court of the Netherlands would be like winning the superball lotto 1 trillion times in a row (IMHO).

The odds are just almost that ridiculously impossible that it would be much smarter to bribe the police/investigating officer IMHO (I think that would be a lot easier though in Aruba then in the Netherlands).

minnesota dad on
January 16th, 2007 10:52 pm

Sorry about my earlier rant folks. Rammstein set me off about this case being about “Aruban Law Enforcement botching the case against Joran”.

Though focus should still remain on Joran as he is an accomplice, the key focus, in my opinion, needs to remain on Paulus and the government actors who have gone out of their way to protect him.

I challenge Hassen, Rammstein, or anyone else to come on here and post a rational response to the following questions:
Why didn’t Aruba develop a timeline for Paulus?
Why was a judge at Paulus’ home and amended the search warrant?
Why was the blood soaked mattress discarded and called ‘dog’s blood’ while all other evidence was “sent to Holland”?
Why did Karen Janssen state that Paulus interfered with the case many times early on?
Why did Paulus file with the courts to prevent FBI involvement?
Why did Paulus get awarded $30k by a judge who was his friend, when the two black guys – who were part of the ‘no corpse, no crime’ story/frame job/cover-up – have received nothing from Aruba?
Why did a judge who was the friend of Paulus rule on his case?
Why was the Kalpoe car parked WITHIN the VDS Compound the day Beth arrived? Was it normal for the Kalpoes (or any of Joran’s friends) to park their car WITHIN the compound?

I could go on. This case will not be solved until decisions made to protect Paulus are reversed. For 4-5 months I have been harping about what happened today (hearing to appeal judgement awarding Paulus $30k) to be done by Aruban or Dutch Investigators.

I know I will not get answers to these questions from the posters I have mentioned.

People can come here and ridicule me, but I believe the ridicule is due to my opinions are hitting a little too close to the truth for some. MD

That’s why we’re all here with you and you are a part of
the reason that we know as much as we do. You have been
like a “secret dad” to us all.

There will be justice in Aruba… Count on it.

Boycott Aruba

Maggie on
January 16th, 2007 11:09 pm

He also said they have 10 detectives in Holland working on this case and Karin Janssen wanted to stay on this case to see it through, but she was not kept on.. I hope Dennis Jacobs had his frosted flakes before JQK went to see him.

Does it not seem odd that Holland would pull Karin from this case? One of two reasons – 1) Holland felt she was corrupt; or 2) Holland wants to drag the case out under the classic cover-up strategy that has been executed, albeit unsuccessfully, to date.

What do folks think? md

mayan_moons on
January 16th, 2007 11:26 pm

They won’t address those questions Minnesota Dad, not even 1 of them.

yoyo muffintop on
January 16th, 2007 11:27 pm

He also said “The only possible prosecution and resolution to this is in Aruba and anything that helps advance the cause here I’m going to do.” They why the wrongful death suit in CA?

Maggie, for the record he said – They’ve looked in other direction. I think they’ve eliminated a lot of other options and I think the three individuals you’re speaking of are the prime suspects.
“I think” is a personal opinion, no?

Learn how to work the drive-thru headphones
& cash register at your local Mickey D’s that you
picked your rapist/murderer of a son
up at 4 in the morning!!!

Yeah…. large soooooda and a
McCelly vector map.

(small speaker sound)

you want fries with that,
beeeeeeetch???

-J4N

JusticeforNatalee on
January 16th, 2007 11:34 pm

Rammstein,

I think that if Dutch authorities wanted to, they could clean up
this case and arrest everyone involved.

mayan_moons on
January 16th, 2007 11:40 pm

I always thought that Paul came into the crime against Natalee as the one disposing of her body. But when i saw him chatting Natalee up at the casino only hours before she goes *missing* with his son Jipshit that changed everything. Paul was really trying to put on the charm (gag) while engaging in convo with Natalee, its pretty obvious Paul has told her something about Jurine as she’s pointing in Jip’s direction with a look of suprise on her face. Her body language shows she’s pulling away from Paules as he leans into her.

mayan_moons on
January 16th, 2007 11:53 pm

Its a drag out Minnesota Dad, i wanted to have faith the Dutch investigators would set things right & there is a sliver of it. But seeing is believing and i haven’t seen jack$hit!

Perhaps Holland thinks that she is incompetent. We all know that she looked the other way.

Now you see it, now you don’t…

Besides, if she WAS worth a shit, she’ll be the star witness. Remember, it was her case that they tried to
skoot under the rug. She may play both sides against
the middle… put the squeeze on Joran & Co…

Tazman on
January 16th, 2007 11:58 pm

Right on! Minnesota Dad!!

JusticeforNatalee on
January 17th, 2007 12:05 am

On the Record with Greta 01/16/07 – Transcript

Greta – In May of 2005, Natalee Holloway said goodbye to her mother Beth and headed off on what all expected to be an exciting high school trip to Aruba. Since then no word from Natalee just daily heartbreak for her family. Tonight though, there’s some news in the investigation, John Q. Kelly the lawyer for Natalee Holloway’s parents is in New York. John, where did you sneak off to this past weekend?

John – I paid a visit to Aruba Greta.

Greta – Why?

John – I had gotten a call at the end of last week from Karin Janssen, the Prosecutor, indicating that her term was over, she was going to be leaving the island and going back to Holland as of yesterday, Monday, and we both thought it would be a good idea if we chatted a little bit before she left.

Greta – Did she want to leave the job?

John – No, she had a three year term and she could have extended up to two more years with the blessing of the Attorney General Fernandez Croes down there and she had made a request in writing, very much wanting to stay there to see this investigation through and she was told her term was going to be halted at three years and she’d be returning to Amsterdam and she couldn’t see this through.

Greta – So she sort of got fired, a little bit.

John – She didn’t get fired, they didn’t extend her term and she was upset about that and I was glad to hear she wanted to stay on this case and see it to some sort of conclusion but they wouldn’t let her.

Greta – alright, so she wanted to stay on the case. If she’d had some progress I’m sure she would have been able to stay on the case because everyone loves progress. When you spoke to her, were you satisfied that there was progress?

John – I’m satisfied they’re still working on the case. I like dealing with Karin, I think she’s been honest and you know they’ve got a team of ten detectives that are working over in Amsterdam that have have been working for a couple of months now on the case and I also met with Dennis Jacobs and the team working here in Aruba for awhile on Monday, in addition to was talking to Karin for a few hours on Sunday. I mean we don’t have results yet, it’s a result oriented business and until I have answers for Beth and Dave, you know no one’s going to be happy but I like to see that there’s work going on still.

Greta – I hate to be so sarcastic but it sounds like you’ve got a lot of new friends but your new friends aren’t exactly, you know we’re a year and half into this investigation and we don’t have any progress.

John – They’re working Greta, you know I’ve been critical of the Prosecution in the past, I’ve been critical of the police in the past, but the answers are down there. The only possible prosecution and resolution to this down in Aruba and anything that helps advance the cause here I’m going to do and at least I’ve got a line of communication down there and I don’t want to rock that boat.

Greta – I understand that. Are they convinced that the 3 suspects are still the ones they find or that believe are the ones responsible for the disappearance? Or are they looking in other directions?

John – They have looked in other directions. I think they’ve eliminated a lot of other options and I think the three individuals you’re speaking of are the prime suspects still.

Greta – So they remain the prime suspects, Joran van der Sloot, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are still the suspects?

John – The prime suspects, sure.

Greta – One quick question, have you served them with the civil suit in the United States yet? Deepak and Satish?

John – Personal service has not been effected down in Aruba yet, it’ll be done shortly and that’s the last step to be taken.

I think that if Dutch authorities wanted to, they could clean up
this case and arrest everyone involved.

Comment by JusticeforNatalee | January 16, 2007, 11:34 pm

Actually, we can’t. The dutch police have no jurisdiction or powers there. The dutch DA’s office also has no jurisdiction or powers there. We cannot fly a police unit down there without the Arubans approval to begin with, and certainly they don’t have power to arrest without authorization of the Aruban DA’s office.

It might seem simple, but the police laws of the Netherlands are not Kingdom laws, they are solely dutch laws for the continental Netherlands.

Nice idea, but constitutionally impossible.

Tazman on
January 17th, 2007 12:09 am

paulos came home a day earlier than anita didn’t he? Came home a day earlier to help joran and gang pick up on Natalee the day before she & her friends left to go home. He is in on their perverted games. Premeditated!!

Well, that sounds promising. I wonder how long it will be before they make personal service? He probably had to hire someone in Aruba to do that.

Rammstein:

We’re not talking about the police goin’ to Aruba in their
cruisers and arresting a few people!

minnesota dad on
January 17th, 2007 1:01 am

#70 Rammstein

Rammstein, you and I know that your post is disingenuous. To claim the Dutch can’t do something ‘constitutionally’ is a cop out.

As within our USA system…a phone call can be made from the right person in the Netherlands to the right person in Aruba, and this case gets cleaned up very, very fast.

To try to hide behind constitutional law, when backdoor deals are ALWAYS run by lawyers and judges is not being honest to this board.

Make the phone call Rammstein. Stop the charade of there being laws which make this impossible.

There are laws, and then there is behind the scenes influence and power. You know exactly what I mean. Make the phone call. md

yoyo muffintop on
January 17th, 2007 1:20 am

mayan – give me the time on the video where she is pointing and such. Hilarious, such a vivid imagination. Why do you think the FBI never questioned the other girls about it if that was PVDS? You’ve read the 302′s – nothing. Do ya think she’s not quite bellied up to the table because she’s not playing maybe?
Hairline – close but not quite. Such a unique hairline, btw. I think a 1/3 of the men on the planet has that. None the less, the video has been seen – not PVDS.
And by the way, who was Natalee talking to on the cell phone? She is clearly on a cell.

mn dad – the question should be why hasn’t anyone from US State Dept picked up the phone?? If the FBI witnessed all this corruption, or even sensed it (they are pretty good so if there was more than just “bungling”, they would know), why no action by the State Dept? This is an American citizen – we take care of our own. We carry the biggest stick in the world – why are we not using it? At this point in time if you believe in a massive cover up (which I don’t), but if you do, all efforts to end this should be directed at the State Department, not Aruba and not the Netherlands.

The Mountain Brook kids were questioned by the FBI, and at least some of them were also questioned by Aruban police, who made their trip to the U.S., returned home, and as far as we know have revealed nothing from that trip and done nothing with any information they gathered.

If, indeed, the trip was any more than a public relations gesture.

I’d like to ask that we stop throwing insults at each other here. Yelling and screaming is not likely to advance our understanding of the case. Maybe that’s what happens on blogs, but the issues at stake are too serious for that.

Rammstein says that six judges can’t be bribed. It’s not necessary to do so, either; given that we can’t see into the private proceedings, we can’t know to what extent one may dominate the others.

My hypothesis, as I said before, is that the drug lords have a strong hold on Aruba. There is extensive information to indicate that this is the case; we know that Aruba was on the State Department watch list for this and for human trafficking. It still is, for the latter.

I agree with Yoyo to the extent that we should be doing what Vicki has done; trying to persuade the State Department to discourage travel to Aruba. This is the sole weapon that we have to encourage action. But that doesn’t mean we can’t continue the pressure against Aruba and the Netherlands to some extent.

It’s also true that Aruba is, to SOME extent, autonomous of the Netherlands, more so than the other islands of the Netherlands Antilles. (We can split hairs as to whether Aruba even is in the N.A., but at least geographically it is.) This much is made clear by Internet research.

But since the Netherlands handles defense and foreign relations for Aruba, and obviously sends its top administrative officials, it is jejune to deny that it has a lot of influence. We have to persuade the Dutch to use that influence and to GET THEIR INVESTIGATIVE TEAM, TO WHICH ARUBA HANDED OVER THE CASE IN AUGUST, TO GET GOING.

Hence my letter to Queen Beatrix.

We don’t know the ins and outs of Karin Janssen’s departure. She’s obviously going to give the version of events that she thinks people want to hear; whether her replacement will be more determined remains to be seen.

It’s also worth pointing out that JQK himself seemed to think positively of Karin Janssen. To some extent, that may be normal courtesy: if you’re a lawyer operating in a foreign country, you don’t go around throwing gratuitous insults. But we should keep that statement in mind.

Further to Rammstein: You say that it would be impossible for the powers that be in Aruba, and that seem to be impeding a resolution to Natalee’s case, to bribe or otherwise corrupt the supreme court of the Netherlands.

I think you’re right. The people down there are not supermen or Blofeld characters. (Liars, crooks, narcotics and human traffickers perhaps, but that’s different.)

But nothing about the case has gone to the supreme court. According to the JQK interview (thanks for posting it, Debbie), the three original suspects remain the three “prime” suspects. Is that all that the police there have to tell us?

JQK says the only possible resolution is in Aruba. I think the only possible resolution is for the Dutch team that took over the investigation in August to get going and do something.

BTW, in an atmosphere of fear and intimidation, outright bribes are not always necessary. I’m convinced that there’s so much under-the-table stuff going on in Aruba that everyone has to tread lightly. Otherwise, they might share the fate of the bouncer in that bar where Deepak ran in on that fateful night; to be found in a cave with your arms and legs cut off and your body set on fire.

Found this article by chance today … it seems that there is a Carlos ‘n’ Charlies in Los Angeles. One might assume that it is part of the chain, and judging from what happened, it seems to have uniform moral standards:

Rape victims confront attacker
Two women who were sexually assaulted for seven hours in 1991 tell Fernando Maldonado in court that now they can get on with their lives.
By Tami Abdollah, Times Staff Writer
January 17, 2007

Nearly 16 years after they were gang-raped in a Los Angeles apartment, two women confronted an attacker in court Tuesday, telling him that with his conviction and imprisonment, they can finally get on with their lives.

Fernando Maldonado, 35, also known as Hector Santos Padilla, was convicted in November of 100 counts of gang rape and sexual assault for the Feb. 8, 1991 attacks. Sentencing, which was set for Tuesday, was postponed because of late paperwork.

Erica, now 39, delivered her victim-impact statement anyway, speaking directly to her tormenter.

“I’m taking my life back and I’m going home, and so are you Mr. Maldonado, you are going home to be with people of your own demeanor. Enjoy it,” she said at a sentencing hearing in Los Angeles County Superior Court. The Times generally does not publish the full names of sexual abuse victims.

The other victim, Karla, now 38, was leaving her 23rd birthday celebration when Maldonado and an accomplice kidnapped the women at gunpoint. She recalled what Maldonado told her the morning after the ordeal: “Forget about it. It wasn’t a big deal. This happens to women all the time. Get over it.”

“I’ve had almost 16 years of not enjoying the day of my birth and I can now put them behind me and gain closure,” she said.

Maldonado faces between 500 and 1,082 years in prison without the possibility of parole. Prosecutors will be asking for the maximum penalty at the sentencing Feb. 5.

The two women were leaving Cafe Sushi near the Beverly Center with plans to meet their friends at CARLOS ‘N’ CHARLIE’s, a club on Sunset Boulevard near the House of Blues.

Erica had celebrated a little too much and was vomiting on a quiet neighborhood side street when the girls were forced by two men into a car and taken six miles away to Maldonado’s third-floor apartment near MacArthur Park in Los Angeles.

Maldonado and an accomplice invited two other men, MS-13 gang members, into the apartment, prosecutors said. The four men continually raped and sexually assaulted the women for about seven hours.

At one point, Julian Roberto Chacon, who was sentenced in 1994 to 225 years in prison for the crime, urinated in Karla’s mouth, pointed a gun to her head and pulled the trigger. Nothing happened.

“It’s your lucky day,” he said, laughing. In the next room a man and two women, one a roommate, did nothing while the victims screamed.

“You’re in a gang neighborhood environment, and it’s totally normal, almost to the point of being expected of tenants and fellow building dwellers,” said Det. Andrew Purdy with the Los Angeles Police Department’s West Valley Division. “You’re not going to get any cooperation from anybody,” he said.

Purdy was working the sex crimes unit in Hollywood in 1991 and has handled the case since then.

After eluding police, Maldonado, an illegal immigrant from Honduras who had been deported in 1990, was picked up in 2002 by the U.S. Border Patrol near Amado, Ariz.

During the trial, the defense had argued that the women were Maldonado’s cocaine clients and the sex was a consensual part of a drug party that night. Ken Nakamura, deputy alternate public defender, said he plans to file an appeal.

The case was featured on “L.A.’s Most Wanted” television series in 1991 but has received little media attention since.

“I’m asking for a high term, just in terms of sending a message to anyone who is thinking of doing this to young girls out at night,” Deputy Dist. Atty. Beatriz Dieringer said. “The word has to get out that this is impermissible.”

A third suspect in the case was killed in a drive-by shooting in 1991 and the remaining suspect, identified by Maldonado as his uncle, remains at large.

Both Erica and Karla said their experience has changed them forever.

“I felt, up until the incident, that I had a big mouth, that there wasn’t anything anybody could do to me – I was tough,” Karla said. “It’s sad to say a girl should never leave a house alone at night, but you should be with somebody else. You’re never safe. I mean, I was with Erica.”

OK, I do apologize for making so many posts. But I also found this story, and I think it’s illustrative of the high standards that prevail in the Caribbean. Maybe that’s an unfair generalization. What else might these upholders of the law down there be into?

FBI: A cop in Caribbean is a killer in Newark
Wednesday, January 17, 2007
BY GUY STERLING
Star-Ledger Staff
The trail already was growing cold on the killing of Lance Whitfield when Newark police picked up a local man on drug charges in 1996.
RamÃ³n Garcia was found with a 9 mm handgun, and when forensic tests traced it back to the Whitfield shooting a year earlier, investigators assumed they had cleared another case.

But Garcia ran, and it would be another decade before police put him back in handcuffs. Yesterday, FBI agents in Newark announced Garcia, 37, was back in the city after being arrested in the Dominican Republic, where he spent at least several of his fugitive years working for the Caribbean nation’s national police.
“I feel a burden’s been lifted off my chest,” said Sharon Metz of East Orange, one of the victim’s eight siblings. “We never thought this man would be caught. Everybody’s going to be at the trial.”
Metz said her 33-year-old brother was the father of two children who had just opened his own barbershop. He was shot to death in the street following a dispute inside an after-hours club on 6th Avenue in Newark on Oct. 14, 1995, said another sister, Dria Moore, who lives in Los Angeles. He died at University Hospital in Newark.
Whitfield’s death came a month after he was indicted in Union County for a road rage incident in which he was alleged to have beaten a man with a baseball bat after chasing him down Routes 1&9 to Interchange 13A of the New Jersey Turnpike in Elizabeth.
Authorities could not say yesterday if there was any connection between the attack in June 1995 and Whitfield’s killing that October, when he was shot twice. The indictment against Whitfield was dismissed with his death.
Steve Siegel, an FBI spokesman in Newark, said the same agent pursued Garcia for nearly a decade, first tracking him down to the Dominican Republic seven years ago. Garcia, a native of the Caribbean nation, had gone to work as a member of the national police in the rural town of San Jose de Las Mata in 1999, Siegel said.
An officer at the police station in the small mountain town 17 miles southeast of Santiago said he had no knowledge of Garcia. Another officer in the precinct said Garcia had been working in Santiago. National police officials in the capital city of Santo Domingo were unable to provide any information about the fugitive.
In any case, as federal agents were completing the complex paperwork application to have Garcia extradited in 2003, the fugitive fled again. This time, investigators with the Violent Crime Task Force believe, he spent time in Haiti and Panama, before returning to his homeland “relatively recently,” according to Siegel.
But his former colleagues at the national police arrested him on the outstanding warrant, Siegel said. He was taken into custody by Dominican authorities on Jan. 10, and on Monday night he flew back to the United States.
Garcia was being held yesterday in the Essex County Jail in Newark and is scheduled to be arraigned in Superior Court next week

Libby on
January 17th, 2007 8:23 am

Just so you know Minnesota Dad…I am with you 100%. I look for your posts every day. I think you are right on the money in every aspect of what took place. Those who ridicule you are morons.

As for why Karin is being pulled from the case, I think it is part of the drag it out / cover it up strategy. It has nothing to do with her being corrupt…her being corrupt is why she has been allowed to stay on the case this long.

SUPER DAVE on
January 17th, 2007 9:20 am

it’s my understanding that sloot was not smart enough to pass the test to be a judge. so that should clear up most of this stupid lawsuit. a failed judge is a stupid judge and should not be rewarded money. offer him the money only if his home and property can be searched by (qualified) investigators and see him sweat !

Frank on
January 17th, 2007 9:25 am

Ramm,

Go back to watching porn and writing love notes to Joran

minnesota dad on
January 17th, 2007 9:34 am

Yoyo,

Answer my questions in #50.

And, yes, a phone call can be made from the right person in the Netherlands to the right person in Aruba and this thing can be wrapped up very quickly.

Our FBI and government, in my opinion, has done nothing and will do nothing because Venezuala is just a few miles away from Aruba. It is not worth rocking the boat over an American Citizen when there are bigger issues at stake in that region.

You will also recall, Dompig requested FBI assistance to do an ocean search due to a ‘reliable witness’ statement. The FBI asked specifically who this witness was and didn’t get the answer they wanted. Thus, they refused to send anyone to help. This decision speaks volumes about the FBIs opinion of what went on in Aruba. md

In English:
Aruba ` tourism grow this year with 6 per cent ORANJESTAD – on the occasion of the first day of the Caribbean Marketplace roar (MEP) of transport and tourism, Jorge Pesquera (Ahata) and Myrna Jansen (ATA) characteristics concerning tourism in last and the coming year gave minister Edison. Up to and including November 2006 675,304 people visited Aruba and that is 6.7 percent less than in the same period in 2005. the number of up to and including 30 November amounted to overnachtingen 4.923.714. and that is an increase of 5.3 percent with respect to a year earlier. The occupancy lane in November with 5 per cent up to 77.3 percent. It is still too early of an inversion in the decreasing recent development in tourism speak, but after a year that started with negative figures, finishes 2006 probably something more positive than long let consider itself. Jansen of Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) made the objective for this year, 2007 confessed. ATA hope 6 per cent extra obtain stay tourists to Aruba. That will happen thanks to the new (print – and TV -) advertisement campaign, a better availability of chambers – (in 2006, was 8 per cent less chambers available because of modernisations in several hotels, save. – and a still better service, thus expects the tourist office. If the objective of 6 per cent is extra obtained, Aruba is on the score such as that end 2005 was and the ` dips of 2006 has been made up for. 16 Jan, 2007, 17.58 (GMT -04:00)
-end-

vicki on
January 17th, 2007 10:15 am

RAMM, stay at BFN will you…you make no sense at all…MD you are so right..One phone call from the right person and we can end this nitemare…we all know how it works.. that is why papasweat was awarded monies to begin with..What really makes me so angry is that they thought we{americans] were stupid and that we would forget about this..If odeber wasnt bald already I would pull out all of his hair as I walked down the street of LIERUBA.A few other PIGS down there also.WHAT TO DO WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY DEAD..thats urines,2ks, koen, guildo, lorenzo, jamie, freddy,sweatysloot and the two moms…thats their slogan. THEY ARE WALKING DEAD PPL.how does it feel????to have no conscious? no MORALS… no sense of worth?..Nadira, Anita you have other children. SAVE THEM PLEASE.. If your arm offends you cut it off already….

One day Rudy Croes speaks of the HUGE DAMAGE Natalee’s
case has done in Aruba Tourism!

The next day, @ some wanker Chamber of Commerce Blowhole
Convention, you have AHATA and ATA Officials saying they’ve made up for last year’s
tourism slump!

—
These people are bobbing and weaving all over the road
worse than Paris Hilton after a ‘Highball’ looking for the nearest Burger Hut!!!! LOL

ARUBA – YOU EFFIN SUCK!!!!

“Get It Together!” -J4N

SUPER DAVE on
January 17th, 2007 10:33 am

#91: i agree. if the right person really wants something done, all it takes is a phone call. in aruba’s case, nobody wants the right thing to be done and evidently neither do the dutchers. dragging their asses and worshiping prostitutes seems to be more important.

dave on
January 17th, 2007 11:47 am

Ramm pull your head outa the VDS’s backsides long enough to get some fresh air before you kill all the rest of what brain cells you may have. Weall know what your agenda is you effin Joran lover.

Why the deafening silence from all levels of the United States administration in regards to the Natalee Holloway case?

Natalee Holloway is an American citizen and ….. an obviously corrupt Aruban investigation is denying her justice and ….. putting her family through a H— on Earth and …. the “powers that be” in the tiny island of Aruba have no fear of the nation that was once perceived as the greatest democracy on the face of the earth.

The only politicians that have spoken out on behalf of Natalee Holloway and her family are …. Riley, French, Bachus and Rice and …. very tactfully ….. not to make waves …. not to risk Aruba’s wrath ….. not to risk diplomatic relationships.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE???

If Aruba does not value America’s friendship enought to afford Her citizen a just investigation then ….. Aruba is no ally and ….. then I ask “Why does American value relations with Aruba?”

I consider it a betrayal of the United States of America to one of her own. Does anybody think for one minute that Natalee Holloway would have been denied justice and …. her family a measure of closure if Aruba had feared consequences ….. retaliation ….. accountability …. wrath …. from the American

The principle is absolute …. if an individual or a country does not do what is right because it is right …. then consequences have to be the motivation.

Does anyone know anything about a young girl who was missing about 1 year before Natalee disappeared? Could it be an understatement ” we have done this about 20 times before and nothing ever went wrong.” Could it be that something else did go wrong, and what about the boy that was found after he had been missing for some time. What happen to him, and what happen to the missing girl? Are there others that have not been considered, and does anyone think that maybe we have a serial killer on Aruba? I can think of 3 very likely suspects, can anyone else?

There is a tie in here. I would bet money on it. The young boy’s case is particularly intriguing. Does anyone know anything more about either case?

The statement that nothing ever went wrong may not mean that someone was not hurt, raped, or killed. The statement may mean “no one ever pinned anything on us before”. There are some victims out there. Some may not be able to talk, because they are dead, but there are those who could and should talk. Talking with Beth would be a good place to start.

Waterboy on
January 17th, 2007 2:39 pm

The following is a quote from Wikipedia. Anyone who has followed the case knows that “Junior” and the “jogger”, are not the same person. What’s the deal? Every time I look in the Wikipedia about this case, something else is wrong.

Another individual, “Junior,” or “the jogger” claimed to have seen the two Van der Sloots, Deepak Kalpoe and other persons burying a nude, blonde-haired woman in a landfill during the first week after Holloway disappeared.

Miss-Underestimated on
January 17th, 2007 2:46 pm

BTW did the chollar that was pushed off the bridge drown?

Roy on
January 17th, 2007 3:09 pm

Ben: You are right…I am vague and like Patti, I can see where this may be leading and I don’t know how to react. This is still evolving so please bear with me.
Patti: A call being made to have the MB kids turn off their phones? Never heard that but will log it away for posterity. Actually, I was thinking of a call with a little-less cynicism and perhaps not very sinister at all. One maybe made in panic to one or more of the MB kids looking for help (Natalee had been hurt) or a call home (The significance of Thomas and Marcia meeting the kids to collect the phones) has not escaped me and Arubans use to really make alot of hay out of that….So what then are they really saying?
I don’t know about you but when coupled with other things I’ve learned here (way too numerous to mention in a single post, and the integrity of these boards as I have come to observe them, well, sounds like an after-hours party at the VDS home (most-likely), got out of hand. And iffn I’m getting a solid read on the “blackmail examples” there are one or more from Mountain-Brook that was at this after-hours party and was seemingly set-up for blackmail.. From there we start meshing with the political aspects of Natalee’s case, not that it may have been there all along, especially iffn what you say about the kids being instructed to turn off their phones…sinister indeed, or possibly just another smoke and mirror. Later

108. Waterboy
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Wikipedia got it all wrong.
.
Junior – Observed a body being placed in the landfill on June 1,2005
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Jogger – Observed Deepak’s vehicle parked in front of Racquet Ball Club on the morning of May 31, 2005. Confirms Gardener’s observation.
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JUNIOR
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CNN LARRY KING LIVE
July 29, 2005
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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There is. Well, sources familiar with the investigation tell us that there is at least one witness who is claiming that he saw, at the landfill, sometime after Natalee’s disappearance, we don’t know exactly when, that this person saw a car, a vehicle, I should say, drive up to the landfill just before closing time, and describes what the witness thinks could have been a body being disposed of.
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Now, this same witness was able to give authorities a tag number on this vehicle, and I’m told that it is a registered tag number, but the sources would not reveal to whom it was registered.
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THE JOGGER
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NANCY GRACE
August 22, 2005
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GRACE: Oh! To Anastasiya Bolton with WBMA-TV. What can you tell me about an anonymous tipster, a jogger that was apparently jogging in the area when Natalee went missing?
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BOLTON: Nancy, authorities apparently are searching for a man, the jogger, who anonymously called the hotline for Natalee Holloway, established for Natalee Holloway several days after she disappeared. He claimed to have seen something but never made another contact with authorities. Now police want sworn testimony about what he said and saw the night Natalee disappeared. Apparently, they can`t find the man.
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GRACE: Jossy Mansur, I assume the police department has “star 69.” Can`t they track who has called in? I mean, the feds can get a dump on a line and tell you who`s called you for the last week to your home.
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MANSUR: I know that this call was made to the tip line of the police a long time ago, in the early days. I don`t know whether they jotted down or have any way to trace back this call. But they are actively searching for this supposed jogger that saw a car parked near the pond ……

Only Joran was reportedly telling chums
at school already that he had sex with her,
and she drowned.

NOW… How could he know this?

Did that Yogi Master that MOM-ZILLA kept
sending him to see in order to get a grip
on ANGER MANAGEMENT teach that
li’l peckerwood to read the
future?

————
It is so sad that we are sitting here with no answers
2 years later. DOOGIE friggin’ HOWSER could have cracked
that damn case IN 2 JUST WEEKS!
————-

I don’t know how Karin ‘DO NOTHING’ Jaansen and
the mafiaso riddled A.L.E. were able
to get up each morning and look at themselves
in the mirror.

They ARE walking corpses to act like they have!

Maybe this is why people on that island keep “hanging themselves” all over the place? It is a way out, a way
to wipe the ARUBA off of you for good.

-J4N

Miss-Underestimated on
January 17th, 2007 4:27 pm

Carpe

TERMINAL ISLAND

Maggie on
January 17th, 2007 4:35 pm

leads, options, I stand by my statement.. The 3 suspects are still the prime suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and none of them still agree on much of anything about what happened that night. If anyone had any doubts about Joran’s character, read his Current Affair interview. They came all the way to New York so Joran could appear on ABC to tell the truth. When that interview went over like a lead balloon, Greta traveled to Aruba for him to tell another version of the truth. Access to 1000+ plus police files can do wonders with one’s story.

Maggie on
January 17th, 2007 4:54 pm

Who’s lying about who was driving and why? and who’s version is the truth or are they both lying and why?

Deepak June 11th..

We left Joran’s place between 00:15 and 00:20 hours for “Carlos & Charlies”. At that time my brother was driving. I was in the front seat and Joran was in the back. We arrived at “Carlos Si Charlie’s” at approximately 00:30. My brother had parked the car on the parking lot behind “Carlos & Charlie’s.

After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come. After a while Satish came walking, I asked him where Joran was and he said that Joran was still inside. I told Satish to give me the keys and to go find Joran. Satish left again and I got into my car. I stayed inside of the car with the door open. I had one leg outside the car and I was playing music and adjusting my radio set-up. After a while I heard the door on the passenger side open. I saw Satish getting into the car. Joran opened the door behind Satish and also got into the car. I cannot remember if the girl got into the same car door. I do know that she sat down behind me. I turned around somewhat and introduced myself to the girl. She had told me that her name was Natalee.

Satish June 11th

My brother Deepak parked the car behind the former Ritsz building. After my brother had parked the car, the three of us walked to Carlos & Charlies.

I saw that my brother had called me. I know that my brother didn’t have any more credit on his mobile phone and had called him back. My brother answered his phone and asked where we were. I told him that we were still inside Carlos & Charlies. He had told me that he was already at his car. I told him that we would come to where he was. I said to Joran that my brother was already at the car and if we were leaving, because Carlos & Charlies was about to close. Joran said that it was OK that we would be leaving and that the girl would be coming with us. We, Joran, the girl and myself, then walked outside. I was still holding my “Yard” in my hand. Outside the girl talked to a group of people. There were approximately 30 people in that group. I did not hear what they were talking about. We then walked over to the car.

BTW – Roy – Now I Know Where You Have Been
You Have Gone Off Your Rocker !
Slap YourSelf and Get Back On Track
Stay Away From The Dark Side !

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haha #103

ok – how many are we up to ?

johnm/johnnym/kelmal/gretamal/kelmac/mac/biglou/MOLLY

did I miss any ??

p.s. no offense to molly (in houston)

mayan_moons on
January 17th, 2007 7:08 pm

He’s at the gate nychic?~haha I’d love to know how thats going!I’m thinking the only thing they could be mad at Karin at that time was when she told a reporter(American i think) that the advice PaulASS was giving the 4 stoodges was more than advise. It went futher than that but the kicker is – Karin acknowledged Paul’s *corpse talk* arround the pool happened the first day of Natalee’s disappearence.

mayan_moons on
January 17th, 2007 7:12 pm

Yeah ummm what was Roy trying to say up there?~

Solidarity on
January 17th, 2007 7:12 pm

Paul VDS is still looking for money and Beth and Dave Holloway are still looking for their daughter!!

Frank on
January 17th, 2007 8:04 pm

Nychic,

Why were they speaking to Janssen in the first place after Natalee disappeared. Janssen confirmed she twice spoke to her co-worker Paulus where he confirmed telling the “no body, no case” story.

Roy makes sense to me. Guess my mind just wonders like that, and all the possibilities pop into the brain at the same time.

Read it again and it will add up.

No one knows anything about the girl’s body that was found shortly after they started looking for Natalee? They said that she had been missing for a year. Anyone know whom she was last seen with? (I don’t know).

Waterboy on
January 17th, 2007 9:32 pm

Junior – Observed a body being placed in the landfill on June 1,2005
.
Jogger – Observed Deepak’s vehicle parked in front of Racquet Ball Club on the morning of May 31, 2005. Confirms Gardener’s observation.

To Janet,

Junior claimed that he saw a body being placed in the landfill on June 1?
Wow, I didn’t realize it was that soon after Natalee Disappeared.

I have always believed Junior, I had his interview on my hard drive at one time. Some of the translation is wrong. He is talking in Spanish, and then they are translating it into English. I ask a bilingual employee to translate, and at the point where they ask him what color the hair was, the interpreter says that Junior said, “it was dark.” My employee said he said, “The hair was covered with dark mud.”

The Jogger, the Gardner, and Junior—where are they? Have they all gone to the happy hunting ground?

You know, I have always believed Junior. I saw his interview. Some of the interpertati

Waterboy on
January 17th, 2007 9:37 pm

Sorry,

I don’t know where that last sentence came from. Just appeared.

How weird, but I have always believe Junior.

I need a cup of coffee. I’ve gone too many hours with out any R.E.M. sleep.

Mortella on
January 17th, 2007 9:39 pm

Roy,
No one told the MB kids to turn off their phones and no one collected them.

What are you talking about? That never happened.

aaron on
January 17th, 2007 9:44 pm

from Jamaica Gleamer

Oranjestad, Aruba:

Emerging from a six per cent decline in tourist arrivals last year, the influx of Spanish investors into Aruba may help boost the Dutch Caribbean island’s tourism industry this year.

The success of Spanish investment in Jamaica may well be having spillover effects into the southern Caribbean island nation, with international chains RIU, Sol Melia and Occidental injecting major capital into the tourism sector which has been struggling. This, officials say, is partly due to the backlash from the now famous Natalie Holloway disappearance, stiff competition worldwide, and other factors such as rising oil prices, terrorism and natural disasters.

The Spanish groups already operating in Aruba include Occidental, while RIU – with three hotels in Jamaica – will complete construction of a 400-room hotel here by the second half of 2007. Sol Melia will soon commence renovations of the old Bushiri hotel and will eventually raise its flag in this multi-lingual nation.

Aruba optimistic

Aruba is optimistic that the three investors, which will add close to 1,200 rooms to its room inventory with a combined investment of US$260 million, will help the island achieve tourism arrivals of more than 1.1 million similar to that of 2005.

“Having the Spanish investors is in line with the government’s plans to diversify the market, and Europe is important … the Euro is strong,” Aruba’s Commissioner of Tourism, Edison Briessen told journalists at a press conference during the Caribbean Hotel Association’s Caribbean Marketplace here on Monday.

He said the new global players will help attract new business to the island, which currently has an overdependence on the American market.

Since the disappearance of American student Natalie Holloway in May 2005, there has been aggressive lobbying in the U.S. media to the boycott the Dutch territory. Although its cruise ship passenger figures have increased considerably, its land-based business has declined.

In addition to the 10 per cent increase in room inventory announced by officials, a US$3.7 million marketing campaign, new flights out of the United Kingdom and Holland, extra capacity on Delta Air Lines and the introduction of low cost carrier Jet Blue are expected to contribute to a healthier 2007.

It Is Obvious That Roy Has Been Reading The Venomous
Hate Sites of The Sloot-Lovers -

The Main Objective of Those Sites Is To Blame Beth, Dave and All The Students From Mountain Brook –
They Have Twisted Minds And Many Are Paid By The Aruban
Tourism Authority to Start These Rumors -

It Is Well Known That Our “Friend” JRenfro Posts On Those Sites Under The Name: Glenda or Scoop

It Is Truly Shocking To Read Some of The Hateful Things
Written About Beth and Dave – But It Is Their Way To Place
A Cease & Desist On Natalee’s Case – If They Discredit Beth and Dave – Then They Somehow Feel That Interest In The
Case Will Fade -

mayan_moons on
January 17th, 2007 10:30 pm

more hotels…..new investors bla bla bla

Waterboy on
January 17th, 2007 10:32 pm

To Mortella,

Give it some thought. The kids rented cell phones. Someone had to collect them and return them right? If not then the cell phone guy would be hitting the school up for collection.

There are some strange and unexplained activities centered around cell phones. There is some hidden evidence here.

As I Stated Recently – Beth Acknowledged That Karin Janssen informed her about the HUGE Line of Credit Issued To The Sloots At The Excelsior Casino –
Beth Mentioned That To Rita Cosby And That A Threatening Phone Call Was Made To Beth From Posner Himself – Giving Beth A Warning -

Now I Know Why KJ Stopped Talking To Beth – She Was Forced To – The Same Way She Was Forced To Leave Aruba -

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Anyone Ever Find Any Pics of Posner From The Big Poker
Tournament At The Excelsior Casino Back In Sept. ’05 -
I Guarantee That They Just Might Bring A High Bid On Ebay !

Maggie on
January 17th, 2007 10:44 pm

Good, I’m glad they are getting tourists from other places, but let what happened to Natalee and her family, happen to someone from another country, makes no difference which one, and they will do exactly the same that any parents like Natalee’s have done. You don’t take someone’s child away from them and play sick mind games with them for 2 years and expect the parents to roll over and play dead.

Waterboy on
January 17th, 2007 10:46 pm

To nychic,

Sure, I understand. That’s the way of the world, blame someone else. It goes all the way back to Adam and Eve. “The woman made me eat the fruit.”

They all hate Beth, because she had the guts to tell them, “Not good enough. That won’t work. It won’t cut the muster. Find my daughter, and find the slime that took her.”

mayan_moons on
January 17th, 2007 10:52 pm

Ahhh nychic…..i didn’t know Karin told Beth about the credit but it was prolly arround the same time Karin talks about Paules calling Natalee a corpse. When looking back on everything thats happened it does appear that the only person in the government who ever gave credible infomation was Karin in the early days of June.

As I Stated Recently – Beth Acknowledged That Karin Janssen informed her about the HUGE Line of Credit Issued To The Sloots At The Excelsior Casino -

Nychic,

We have talked about this before. Dirty money is brought in, lost at the casino. Bingo, clean money. Looser is paid a salary for make-believe job, plus free drinks, food, room, drugs, girls, etc.

Looser draws on line of credit, does not pay back. This is an add-on bonus, and is tax deductible as a bad debt by loaner. Win, win for all, because who has the money lost at the table? The Casino, right? I’ll bet the line of credit to the Sloots is a personal loan from Posner himself.

Ya know…..when one has heard lie after lie after lie from all the suspects & their lawyers, see’s furniture truck in Sloot’s driveway weeks after Natalee’s gone, see perp after perp get locked up with their teddybears, read all the statements, knowing the Sloots had a yen to make an oddly placed poolside rock fountain at a time when all this chaos is going on, not to mention the 3 suspect convo in police car saying the things they said AND YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT MB KIDS CELLPHONES?????

You’ve got Dompig saying yes come search in the waters & then vanish…saying those 3 Jipshit & Kalpukes are
“GUILTY AS HELL” And you dismiss ALL THAT for the pathetic lies the hate sites are spewing?????

If thats the best ya’ll can do, forget it, you’re credibility is SHOT!

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Ramm pull your head outa the VDS’s backsides long enough to get some fresh air before you kill all the rest of what brain cells you may have. Weall know what your agenda is you effin Joran lover.

Comment by dave | January 17, 2007, 11:47 am

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#

RAMM has a mind like a steel trap!

Comment by mayan_moons | January 17, 2007, 12:51 pm
#

RUSTED SHUT!

Comment by mayan_moons | January 17, 2007, 12:52 pm

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Thank goodness that the only people who are of any real importance in this case know that the three people above here are fools and liars, and they know what I am all about, finding the truth and finding Natalee. That you have chosen to be the enemies of people who want this case solved/people who really love Natalee is your problem, not mine.

mayan_moons on
January 17th, 2007 11:45 pm

uh huh

He (RAMM) had alot to saaaay

He had alotta NOTHING TO SAY

Jump down Ramm & get off you’re f’n cross

yoyo muffintop on
January 17th, 2007 11:48 pm

mayan – so, Natalee is buried by the pool? Are the cadaver dogs now part of the cover-up? Add it to the list.

You saying Roy has no credibility is quite interesting given what you have stated you’ve “seen” in the arubay videos.
The fact of the matter is all the phones & cameras were confiscated.

well, people who are important to me and to this case couldn’t disagree more with you Mayan_moons.

And as an atheist I would never even think about being on a cross.

I am just the person that I am, helpful, honest when it matters, a friend to those that I care about, a defender when people attack the people who matter and trustworthy and loyal. I don’t need to fake my interest in this case because I care.

Other people however seem more on an ego-trip of hatred than actual supporters of Natalee and her family (or at least that is my opinion).

mayan_moons on
January 18th, 2007 12:14 am

If you come here yacking about MB & cellphones and you don’t address the mountain of lies from Aruba you have no credibility.

mayan_moons on
January 18th, 2007 12:15 am

PERIOD!

yoyo muffintop on
January 18th, 2007 12:17 am

nychic – Well if Rita Cosby, TV journalist, says it then it must be true. You’re right – my bad.
But guess what…Greta Van Susteren, Georgetown educated lawyer, says Joran is to be believed. Oh the quandry – who should I believe?

…but you don’t have to tote an effin neon orange
banner behind you sayin I’m Dutch, & I Wuv Natawee!!!!

It is unbecoming. Make like Deepak’s shirt

and ‘JUST DO IT.’ Stuff the lip service somewhere else.

Sometimes even hate when applied appropriately
can get stuff done. It is a tool, one of many in the box. …and it can be used with great results if
channeled in the proper directions to help
bring about positive results.

Once Again – You Do Not Know WTF You Are Talking About -
You, My Friend Are Becoming Tiresome And Your Ridiculous Statements: Boring To Say The Least – Just Like Your Favorite Hate Site – You Belong There

I Never Said Roy Had No Credibility – I Happen To Respect His Opinions – MOST OF THE TIME – Just Not The Ones About
The Mountain Brook Students -

Roy can Answer for Himself – I Have No Doubt About That -
I’m Certain He Would Not Want You Pitch Hitting For Him !

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How In The Hell Could Marcia Twitty Collect Cell Phones Rented In Aruba – In Alabama ?? That Is The Stupidest Thing I’ve Heard Yet From The Dark Side – Charles Croes Collected Those Rented Cell Phones At The Airport or At The Cell Phone Rental Desk At The Holiday Inn !

minnesota dad on
January 18th, 2007 1:05 am

Rammstein,

Please answer and give your opinions to my post #50 on this thread….md

What matters is (according to me), that people are honest with you when you need their honesty. That you will not hide behind a wall of lies. That if you feel they are making a mistake you be a man/woman and be honest.

But that honesty is not always necessary, in trivial matters a white lie here and there is not going to kill anyone. But when the chips are down you need to know that the person you trust will be honest in what he says and does.

yoyo muffintop on
January 18th, 2007 1:09 am

#124 Indy – I believe your suspisions are correct. Must be hard for this person not to throw a couple of words in caps though.

minnesota dad on
January 18th, 2007 1:10 am

Yoyo,

….eat them up Yum (fisheads).

Now that we have our 80′s trivia out of the way…
Please answer my post #50. Thanks MD

actually, I can see only one thing that is “unbecoming” and it is not my words.

For your information, I do not love Natalee. I care for Natalee, I care for her family and I care for Natalee and her family to get justice and what I care most about is that Natalee is found.

And FYI, you are most likely very proud of your country, is it so strange that other people feel proud of their country too? Or is that only reserved for “non-dutch” people?

yoyo muffintop on
January 18th, 2007 1:20 am

nychic – you alright? I was directing my post at mayan, not you. Did you not read “mayan”, the first word, in the post? And I do not believe that Marcia Twitty collected the cell phones, just stated that they were taken, along with the cameras. Not sure where you got that.
I want an apology…just kidding.

Sorry, I didn’t read every post in this thread careful enough it seems:

Q: Why didn’t Aruba develop a timeline for Paulus?
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A: a part time line was established in Paul van der Sloots interview with the police. If Aruban cops are anything like dutch ones they will have made a time line, but there are very unlikely to share that with sources outside of the investigation. It is not in the interest of the investigation to spread that kind of information around. It may not be a popular answer, but that is how dutch police investigations are usually run/handled.

Q: Why was a judge at Paulus’ home and amended the search warrant?
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A: you can find that answer in this post:

it deals with the fact that dutch judge examiners are usually the ones who are present at house searches (lot’s of literature available on that one.

Why was the blood soaked mattress discarded and called ‘dog’s blood’ while all other evidence was “sent to Holland”?
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I could not tell you. Maybe the dutch forensic experts that were flown in able to determine with a field kit whether or not the blood was human and maybe what kind of blood it actually was.
I have seen it done on CSI once but as I am not forensic expert I could not give you a clear answer on it.
For all we know a small sample of the mattress was flown to the FBI and the NFI and they quickly discovered it was not human blood.

Why did Karen Janssen state that Paulus interfered with the case many times early on?
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Most likely because she felt that he did interfere in the case. And he was IMHO, he got information that he should never have been given by his friend Jan van der Straten (who should have never been involved in this case to begin with, he should have removed himself from the investigation when he found out it dealt with Joran and his friends/dad).
But a DA feeling that he does and he actually breaking the law concerning interference are 2 very different things.

Why did Paulus file with the courts to prevent FBI involvement?
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Because he is an idiot (which he up to a point is anyway)? or because he doesn’t trust the FBI’s interrogation tactics and he knows that under dutch/aruban law they have no standing in a purely internal Aruban criminal case and he used his legal knowledge to protect his son.

Why did Paulus get awarded $30k by a judge who was his friend, when the two black guys – who were part of the ‘no corpse, no crime’ story/frame job/cover-up – have received nothing from Aruba?
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Why? Because of mistakes made by the DA’s office on Aruba. Paul’s lawyer petitioned the DA’s office to get his hands on the statements made by Paul. The DA did not want to produce them so they wrote a letter to Paul’s lawyer stating that he was not entitled to those police interrogation statements anymore because he no longer was a suspect.
Well, if he was no longer a suspect (as by the DA’s own admission), then he was entitled for money awarded for false arrest and imprisonment. If the DA’s office hadn’t written that letter I doubt he would have been awarded this money so easily.
He could however have still gotten it because the DA should have produced enough evidence to suggest/prove that Paul broke the law when he talked to the friends of Joran.
And a friend? I am not sure who ruled this ruling but I seriously doubt he had a friend on that bench in front of him. A lot of judges hadn’t worked with Paul ever (some even came after he was already booted from the program) and the president of the court would never have put a friend on the bench, no president of a court would want that kind of egg on his face for something that was reeking of an appeal.

And the 2 security guards? Well, if they are no longer suspects (which I am not sure about) they too will be in line for some money from the State of Aruba for their incarceration.

Q: Why did a judge who was the friend of Paulus rule on his case?
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First of all I am not sure what judge you are talking about and just like before, I am not sure they were friends to begin with.

Q: Why was the Kalpoe car parked WITHIN the VDS Compound the day Beth arrived? Was it normal for the Kalpoes (or any of Joran’s friends) to park their car WITHIN the compound?
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A: how on earth should I know that one? I have never been to Aruba in my life and I don’t know any of the Aruban participants in this case (only a few US ones).

And for people who ask me a genuine question, I will always to my best to give them a honest answer (as long as it is not in the middle of a litany of insults that is )

yoyo muffintop on
January 18th, 2007 1:37 am

nychic – well, you have sunk to the lowest now. Do you know who wrote that article? Do you know that the person is editor/owner of contrarian commentary? I will not post the link, since it is an anti-semetic site bashing Israel and the Jews in almost every article. Shame on YOU!!!

yoyo muffintop on
January 18th, 2007 1:43 am

He won’t say it, but I will – Rammstein has been personally thanked for his help in this case by a close family member. To those blasting him, have you??

Did Paulus Actually Receive The $30K or Was The Payment Held Up Following The Appeal By The Prosecutor ?

If He Did Get Paid And The Appeal Is Won – Would He Have
To Pay Back The Reward To The Aruban Court ?

thanks

Mortella on
January 18th, 2007 3:37 am

Actually, yo-yo, many if us have been thanked.

#133,
I am speaking of the MB kids real cell phones, the ones they own, not the rentals. They have no control over the rentals. I believe it was one of the chaperone’s who told them to turn them off and turn them in the night before they were to leave. Those would have been collected by the rental company. Perhaps ALE still have them or checked them for whatever it is you are talking about.

to be best of my knowledge payment would have been halted until the appeal was held.

The government has a certain time to pay out the money but that obligation to pay is postponed in case of an appeal.

After this appeals trial will the obligation to pay be re-instated (if the appeals court comes to the same decision).

If the prosecutions wants it can also go and appeal the verdict of the appeals court in front of the High Council of the Netherlands (our version of the supreme court) with one difference to the supreme court, this court will hear all cases (that is why it is made up of more than 30 judges, at the moment 37 judges) that are appealed in front of it.

If the prosecution or the defense appeals to the High Court then Paul van der Sloot could have to wait for his money for an even longer period of time LOL LOL LOL.

I am not saying that Rammstein is doing it for glory. I am also not giving him crap because he’s Dutch!

I happen to believe that this

Dutch – Aruban – American row,

is a load of sh hooey.

If I hear one more damn person from Aruba say:

“The US cannot break all of Aruba!”

I’m gonna poop my
my feaking pants!

Code Brown to the O.R., stat.

If you call “BREAKING ARUBA” snatching some g.d. lowlife peckerwood and his lying fat sack of ass of a father…

…up by their lousy necks and actually making them tell their stories until they come out the SAME EFFIN
WAY THREE TIMES IN A ROW… in order to find out the TRUTH of what happened to Natalee Ann Holloway that awful night
of 5-30-2005 —

then, OH WOWWWWWW!, ya got
ussssss…

OUR HIDDEN AGENDA is “BREAKING ALL OF ARUBA” then.

THAT is really worth fighting against the USA and the victim’s family,

Aruban-Dutch pride?

My friends you have been
played…

by the scumbag Dutch, sadistic, psycho family
that lives IN A BIG DITCH – ON A HILL

I also don’t see this as a country issue or national issue either. This is a criminal case that has been a disaster.

Now this disaster is completely Aruban in making. If the ALE hadn’t dropped the “ball” so extremely in the first few days (for whatever reason imaginable) then we would not be in this fix.

Aruba could have gone on with it’s life, Natalee would be home and the people responsible would be rotting in jail. But cronyism (or even possibly corruption) and a piss poor police force all contributed to this tragedy.

I like to keep it pleasant when I am posting. I understand the anger but it is the way things are written from time to time that I feel is inappropriate. Most times I don’t even think it is intentional.

As a little example, the following two quotes are in wordst almost exactly alike. However in meaning they are worlds apart:

the dutch scumbag

or

the scumbag dutch

One (the first one, the dutch bastard) is an opinion of someone saying that a certain dutch person is a bastard (and I certainly don’t have an issue with someone calling Joran scumbag), but the second statement (the scumbag dutch) implies that all dutch are scumbags and I know for a fact that only a very small minority of people in the Netherlands are scumbags

and the same goes with statements like “the dutch bastard, the bastard dutch”, the dutch asshole, the asshole dutch”. One describes a certain person, the other is an insult to an entire nation.

the DA’s office publicly admitted he was no longer a suspect and with that they let that genie out of the bottle. It will be very difficult to put that genie back in again.

That does however not mean that he can never be prosecuted if the DA’s office indeed finds proof positive against Paul van der Sloot.

However the money is given because he was arrested without proper justification at the time.

minnesota dad on
January 18th, 2007 11:52 am

Thanks Rammstein,

First….sorry to accuse you of being Paulus the other day….I got a little irritated by your comment that this is about a botched case against Paulus’ son….I contend the case wasn’t botched but intentionally destroyed.

But here is the problem with this appeals/letter stuff….and why this is a crony cover-up…

The letter was very convenient and added an additional layer to the onion. I was not aware of this before.

It is impossible to find the proof positive against Paulus as Aruban judges amended the search warrant of the crime scene so that ‘proof positive’ could not be obtained. The crime scene was never searched and as a result of this letter….never will be searched as Paulus is virtually untouchable.

So, the letter acts as another barrier to solving the case. An additional item of evidence needs to be brought forward — however it is clear with the disappearing mattress, the new roof liner and seat in the Kalpoe’s car, and many other irregularities with the evidence — that proof will not be appearing any time soon.

I have to give the prosecutors credit for further adding a layer to the onion for their buddy Paulus by providing him with a letter.

In my dealings with legal issues…one of the first things I learned was never put anything in writing (e-mail or letter form) that can potentially cause you problems down the road. Why, Rammstein, do you think trained attorneys/prosecutors would have provided Paulus with a letter that virtually scuttles any opportunity to investigate his criminal activities with regard to this case? md

Roy on
January 18th, 2007 2:00 pm

Nychic: I saw a very long time ago that virtually every poster here was only willing to go so far in discussing topics…all topics…I also realized that many here already knew what had happened, not that they may have had all the facts…..I also realized that sometimes those people try to mislead me….I bit, and I followed, but no one makes up my mind for me…Period! I said it before and I’ll repeat it for you…I learned from you! You, Carpe, Grande, MD, Gloria…the list goes on….I used to read ADP and Boycott Aruba but reading one-way propaganda gets boring……I did start reading BFN a couple of months back, because I became intrigued when I learned “HERE” that Robin Holloway was posting over there….She didn’t post much but when she did, it wasn’t hard to notice some fascinating contradictions. As for the majority of BFN posters…. mostly ass-clowns trying to confuse her and the rest of the world……My friend, I have been an avid monkey for a very long time…longer than most…. some might point out, “slower than most”…..Iffn you think SCARED MONKEYS a hate site, so be it…..If you don’t like my opinions and analysis, you don’t have to insult me…Inferring that I read hate sites and that it would influence my rationale……I promise you, All I have is my objectivity and it is not for you, other posters, or other sites to mess with…..Good to hear from you again.

Roy on
January 18th, 2007 3:42 pm

#126…. “The girl” The one Satish struck? maybe one of Luis Mansur’s hobby girls… Remember Grande providing info on Luis Mansur indicted or charged in Florida for sexually molesting a 7-yr old girl…A bartender from SC has no way of knowing how to validate that story….Perhaps untrue…but does coincide with another story…Jossy Mansur informing us that the girl found in the rocks was a 7-yr old immigrant or something like that. I vaguely remember it all but I do remember being very hard on Jossy Mansur because of it taking so long for him to report something as simple as that… So the significance of the rocks seemed to be to blackmail Jossy… Aruba had a plan but first they had to shut Jossy down…..and they did! Of course this is all opinion.

mayan_moons on
January 18th, 2007 3:52 pm

Hey Roy,

What facinating contradictions are you talking about regarding those posts?

Do you think that, maybe, the reason that the letter was
written in the first place was because someone asked for
it?

Just because he is not a suspect in the murder of Natalee, should he be paid money by the very government that he violated in his inappropriate behavior in “coaching” the perps in their indevour to beat the system?

What kind of Judge would do that?

You want us to respect the judicial system in Aruba, while they have shown by their actions that they cannot even be trusted. You want us to rely on the judges of Aruba, when their friend, in training, has turned this case into a fiasco of the “good ol’ boys” club. You want us to respect a judge while it is evident that these “judges” do not style their own lives after the law that they are supposed to uphold.

The emotions of those on this site are with Natalee Holloway. I suppose that is the reason that there is so much distaste for the ones that hurt her family and try to destroy any chance that they may have of seeing justice for their daughter.

The government of Aruba has done nothing more than to accomodate their judges and judges in training, their police, their ministers and many of their sons. They have done nothing either for the people of Aruba or for those that go missing on their island.

This crime has been treated as though it never happened. There was a cover-up made by those involved, their friends and their fathers – since day one – including having someone ELSE, an innocent, take the responsibily for the crime.

All the ones here, ALL of them, stand in support of a boycott… we don’t want to hear excuses. No one makes that many mistakes… that’s why we say:

Boycott Aruba!

Roy on
January 18th, 2007 5:34 pm

Hello Mayan….. First off… Aren’t you the fellow that told me that you thought of Jossy as some sort of Uncle figure….If that is the case, we have a trust issue but I’ll bite…..once. If that goes well, we’ll try again my next visit.
—Recently two threads running simo…. One on BFN, one on SM. Viet Vet on SM…. Robin Holloway on BFN. There was alot of discussion about the nature of the attack on Natalee. Viet Vet of the Twitty camp who has made much of his support for the Twitty’s while down there insisted they were told that Joran had used a bat in his assault on Natalee. Except Robin is saying on BFN that they were never told of a bat…She calls Dave at work and he confirms for her that no one ever mentioned a bat…. One could be true but not possibly both…… but that’s not even what I find so interesting….What bothers me is why two different sets of information? Isn’t the FBI helping these people? ??????

mayan_moons on
January 18th, 2007 6:00 pm

No Roy i Never said Jossy was an Uncle figure to anybody! He’s been helpful it seems with Beth & Jug & he’s told it as he saw it regarding JVDS & Kalpukes, most of which i do agree with.

At the end of the day these 3 guys drove Natalee away & she’s not been seen nor heard from since and you know the rest.

mayan_moons on
January 18th, 2007 6:07 pm

btw i’m not a fellow.

mayan_moons on
January 18th, 2007 6:22 pm

Good question about the FBI Roy, Last we heard the FBI was more than willing to come to Aruba to do another water search but when Dompig refused to tell them who the new witness was that warranted the search.

yoyo muffintop on
January 18th, 2007 6:30 pm

nychic – I not into anti-semetism therefore I did not read your article written by an extreme anti-semite. You got any David Duke articles you wanna link? Must be difficult for you to live in New York with your hatred of the Jews, eh?
It was you that revealed your true colors. Sorry.

mayan_moons on
January 18th, 2007 6:38 pm

Dompig wouldn’t tell the FBI who so they basically said “screw you” to Dompig.

dennisintn on
January 18th, 2007 6:41 pm

roy, you need to go back and read what viet vet said they were told by the guy who told them about the bat.
dennisintn

Taco Is Sickening – He Is The Epitome of Slime-Ball !
Once He Trashed Beth – He Became A POS In My Book !
I’m Sure He Makes Most Women’s Skin Crawl ! –
Yuck Is All I Can Say – Nothing Appealing About That Pig !

mayan_moons on
January 19th, 2007 1:39 am

I hear ya nychic,Joe is a greasy slimeball & dis’n Beth like he did shot him close to the top of my $hitlist. I mute that beotch & forever will.