In episode 3 of the EPIC Podcast series, Kris Herbert and Andy Poulsen discuss the Smudge Apps story with Rueben Bijl, covering how they got started, what the team looks like today, and Rueben's observations on the future of apps and what's on the horizon.

In part 2 Andy chats with Paul Claridge from Canterbury Angels about the local angel investor ecosystem and how their model works, and wraps things up with an update from Neil Hamilton, GM of Canterbury Tech, talking about the upcoming Tech Summit and Tech Cluster meetings.