No, but some presidents are more impressionable than others. I think the electorate understands what it means to elect a Laborite to the White House now, though. Y'all kind of did the work for me. Not that I think the Federalists will ever be able to capitalize on it...

Right, so the Labor President that crashes and burns is a "real Laborite", and the others were just poseurs? What a convenient set of definitions you have going there!

You do realize that all three Labor Presidents by such exception-based criteria could claim to be "outside of Labor" or whatever you're implying, right?

Forgive Hagrid for not understanding how President-party relations are supposed to work- we havent had a real Federalist president until now, and at this point there is no respectable Federalist structure to be meaningful anyway.

Also are we really debating whether the so called Politburo had significant influences during Nix's term?

The Federalist Party has never won. It could be argued that the Right has never won, because the only times in which it has, it's been by electing people who play both sides of the aisle. The Federalist Party doesn't inherently play both sides of the aisle; only its successful presidential nominees do, and the party never has any control over them.

Reading the later part makes sense, but that first part made me roll my eyes hard. Isn't the game supposed to be building coalitions of voters?

Adam has always set the terms of the game based on what is possible for the left to do and then pans the right for always failing to measure up. If the left is perpetually gurranteed to win every time, the right might as well just leave. At least half a dozen people on the right have left the game precisely on that motivation.

On most every issue in the second term, Duke and the Federalist Party were on the same page. In the first term there were problems and both you as then chair and myself as practically the liason, all three of us are to blame for the lapse in the first two months as well as the confused nature of the February situation thus. But as for control, what kind of control is to be expected? I didn't see Marokai, Nix and DemPGH being "controlled". Sounds rather ominious, rather man behind the curtain if you ask me.

I, napoleon do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully execute the office of Northeast Representative, and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect, and defend the Constitutions of the Republic of Atlasia and of the Northeast Region.

The Federalists ceased to be an "organized party" when Hagrid departed their leadership. The Registrar General may as well remove the name from the voting rolls. It would make no difference. Lumine's victory is entirely a credit to his personal strengths, which more than made up for his membership in Atlasia's most embarrassing political party.

Labor, on the other hand, won a larger share of the vote than most of us had expected in the presidential election and unexpectedly gained a seat in the Senate in a region that's on the cusp of expelling its homosexuals to Madagascar. All of this despite the party's increasingly shrill calls for the abolition of private property.

Labor gave us the most disastrous presidency in Atlasian history - and, let me be clear, I blame the festering hand of the Politburo more than DemPGH for everything that's gone wrong over the past four months - and suffered almost no electoral consequences. (Yes, even the presidential election - Labor has a natural disadvantage in presidential elections, and was never a favorite to win in October.) If that's not proof of political genius, I have no idea what is.

By the way, neither Labor's success nor the Federalist's incompetence alters the fact that both of our major parties remain rotten to their cores. And while the two parties dominated this month's elections, winning four out of five Senate seats and the Presidency, they have declined from about 60% of the electorate to barely half. More and more of us are simply going without electoral representation.

Damn well said, especially regarding the Feds and the DemPGH administration. I remember being in a Labor chat after the election and realizing that there was no way it was going to work. Although I probably would have dismissed the GM for pulling obvious stunts like that (note to self: dont appoint the guy you defeated and then passed over for a position to anything), there is no way to appease the sensitive sallys or reason with the unreasonable, especially after eight months of nothingness.

A bit of advice, Napoleon: if you're going to make a big claim or accusation, you'll save quite a lot of everyone's time if you make it specific, clear and direct. We all have better things to do with our lives than trying to divine what the hell it is that internet Napoleon is talking about.

heh, yeah right. Had I listened to you I wouldnt have seen angus' beautiful prose in my thread.

This was a few weeks ago but I still remember it it was like my face was the texture of a cantaloupe in certain areas like a patch or a scar or something it was so hideous the texture of a cantaloupe and the color of mustard and the blemishes caused me to be insecure obviously really it was the sort of experience that puts you a bit closer to sympathizing with Bushie, luckily I awoke from this dream and realized I had rested my head on the kitchen counter and fallen asleep then I actually woke up in my own bed so yeah this whole dream scenario was freaky and very memorable.