As I mentioned before. I would be making the more official tier list thread as it does need to have some ground laws set. I would advise everyone to read through the whole post and not just skim to were the tier list is located.

Rules in this thread:

No Flaming-If some one says something about a characters place or makes a stupid argument then do not insult them or flam them. You get one warning from it then you take a 5 day ban on the next one.

No "Tiers are 4 Queers" or any other variation on that. It's fine if you say "This tier list sucks" but keep other comments out unless you want to explain why you think so. Any "Tiers are 4 Queers" nonsense will be deleted and you will as well get one warning and then a 5 day ban for the next one.

I will be the only one to create the Tier List threads. So if you see some one else make it then don't reply to it or tell them that the next one will be made by myself.

Debates and Arguments are welcomed in this thread but I don't want to see you break either rules above or any of the other Neoseeker rules that we have. I will be a lot stricter in this thread than others because of the subject.

With that all being said. Onto the tier list, please read the points that are made above the list as well.

quote M3D

After a full spring and summer of competition, the SBR felt as though it was time to take the first stab at a tier list for Brawl. Before I post it, let me remind you all of a few important things:

1. Tier placement doesn't necessarily reflect your ability to beat your friends with a specific character. You might beat your friend's Metaknight with Sonic, but that doesn't mean Sonic is top tier. It means you win that matchup against your friend. Tiers are not absolute measurements of match outcomes.

2. Instead of measuring match outcomes, tiers are more a measurement of potential of characters against the rest of the cast in a competitive, 1v1 tournament environment. It shows general strength of a character's abilities in a specific tournament environment. So yes, maybe Yoshi is a beast in teams or Ganon is REALLY good with items turned on... but this list measures somethingd different than those things.

3. This list is based on a combination of tournament result data, extensive discussions with top players and tournament hosts and looking at general trends in play in the current competitive metagame. It took a lot of work on the part of some of the best minds in Smash to compile this list.

4. This list might change with time. It is based on how we perceive the game to be and play it competitively NOW. However, if a replacement for l-canceling is discovered or new tactics cause the game to evolve over time, this list could change. So if you main a character that isn't near the top, keep playing and evolving their game. You might be the one, like Chu Dat's Ice Climbers back in Melee, that cause people's opinions to change.

5. That said, don't give up hope! Just because your character isn't ranked at or near the top, doesn't mean you can't do fantastic things with them with enough talent and effort. We do not publish this list to encourage players to change their main tournament character. If anything, it should serve as a challenge to take the game to the next level.

6. In Smash, any character can win in any matchup if you are smarter and better than your opponents by a wide enough margin. So keep playing to win and work hard to be the best player you can be, regardless of which character you use.

And without further ado, I present to you the official SBR Brawl Tier List (v1.0):

Because PT sucks. Squirtle has the worst match-ups of any character in the game (I'd argue even worse than Falcon). Ivysaur is gimped with ease by most of the more prominent characters (MK, Marth, D3, G&W, Falco, ROB, etc.). Charizard can hold his own, but he simply can't stay out the whole time, and the other two end up dragging him down.

And to answer part 2, Gimpyfluence.

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and wiselugia, squirtle's not bad, IMO hes the better mario, if you get what im saying

No, D3 also has CG's and infinates that take care of a lot of the cast, not to mention without them he can still put up a decent fight both on the ground and in the air, especially juggeling off the stage.

And No, Squirtle is no where near Mario. I'd trust WL when it comes to PT as hes easily the best here.