Posted 2 years ago on Aug. 10, 2012, 7:51 a.m. EST by factsrfun
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I was just reading a story about the Greens and Jill Stein, how she had ran in 2002 for governor and in 2004 for state house, but highest office she has held is Town Meeting representative, (man if inexperience is your criteria she’s way ahead). It got me thinking does anybody know who is running on the TEA Party ticket? Here’s my source:

It's Ryan v Christie in 2016 I'd like to see Gore on the other side of that fight, I hope that we work through the primaries to get someone good on the D side as oppose to trying say the Greens I'd rather see Jill as the Sec. of Health & Human Services in a Ds admin rather than pulling votes, but that's me, I'm scared to death of the R's.

I agree. Stein would fit well in a progressive D admin. I think 2016 will be Hilary no? Love Gore but I think he is done. Perhaps his daughters can start a career soon. (like Chelsea seems to be suggesting)

I think you're right and it will be Hilary, I was for her in '08, because I figured she knew she was in a fight from the start, I watch how Gore strip thousands of pages of government regs out of the books, and I know we will never have someone with the knowledge or commitment combined, maybe one or the other but not both in one like with Gore, if only the man could give a speech without sounding like a 5th grade teacher.

Lol. I was also for Hilary in '08. I thought she would be tougher. I was right. I think Gore can be some kinda secretary of the greentech agency or something. I don't know. We are gonna need lotsa help environmentally by 2016.

It is hard to imagine what it will be like if CU is still standing in four years.

I think OWS presents a way to counter the money, but still this is the sort of thing that just grows with time, it's not like the money doesn't already rule, but with no limits it may not matter what people want when the Koch bros can drop a million dollars to defeat a town councilman who can stand up to that?

Nobody it is the biggest threat to any real progress. It must be our 1st priority. A constitutional amendment appears the best way. I don't know if it is possible. We must agitate for a solution. Because we cannot really compete with all that money unless all people are engaged and votinf % approaches 90%.

This is such a real problem I recall a story, I heard on NPR about a judge who had ruled against a company in a lawsuit brought by a smaller one over mining rights I believe and the case did not go the way the larger company wanted so they dumped a bunch of money into this little judge election got the guy change out and the new guy who got all this money from them did not recuse himself and they got their appeal.

The power to pick the mayor, the judge, the state leaders you want will hand it all over, the Roberts Court must be stopped before "He who has the gold, makes the rule." becomes reality.

No, I support nearly all peaceful means to achieve the goal of an equal and fair society. If that means voting, regardless of my personal opinions about our "right" to select "leaders," then by all means vote.

I agree with you, but given the Supreme Court decision on CU, and the improbability of passing a Constitutional amendment to change the electoral process, we should not expect any significant changes for years and years.

More or less, we start with the system, just as you suggest, but also educate, agitate, protest all the while.

Well regarding Scotus, and CU you certainly offer a good reason not to do much. However, I must submit that there is nothing the people united cannot accomplish. We must not be deterred. We must fight for this critical, fundamental change. There is much activity and the issue crosses the 2 party demographic.

I would also only add:
Educate, agitate, protest to take back the govt. from the 1% conservative plutocats.

Elect progressives. Could be any progressive, Republican, democrat, independent. Just someone who will serve the 99%.

Love Jill Stein. Wish she could win. Tea party loves Paul Ryan even though he took stimulus and accomplished nothing in 12 years in congress. Maybe because he accomplished nothing in 12 trs in congress.

Sure. It was a republican gift to the 1% banksters before Bush left office. No real crises existed. Except the Repubs w/ 1% banksters said to Congressional Dems "give us a trillion dollars or we will stop all lending".

We got mugged. Tea party may have said they were against it but like every other republican Zombie they follow lockstep. (Or is that goosestep)

In what? 3 years, the TEA Party has taken over the GOP, I think you are pretty much right, it would seem that getting involved in Party politics can sure get your message out, and what's more it can put you in a position to set policy, hmmm how long has OWS been around? The Ds look weaker and less organized than the GOP to me, how hard could it be, really?

The Tea Party is certainly behind the Ryan pick. Let's see how it works out for them. Maybe after their stomping in November they rich fat cat backers will abandon the astro-turfed TP and it will die quickly. It was never a grass roots org. It was bought and paid for by the rich. Investigate it, it's all there.

I think the GOP is setting up for a battle Royale in 2016 when Christie and Ryan go after the nomination, establishment verses TEA Party. We could have a clear choice for American by then not a third party the most that could happen by 2016 would be another 2000 and we could end up with President Ryan, he would make Bush look like a saint.

I have been talking about the unbalance in the system that will lead to collapse if left unchecked for 30 years, and took a few lumps along the way, but I never felt like I ever had any choice really, how can you not see what you see?

Veto
One of the favorite words in their subculture revealed their democratic nature. The word was veto. Whenever an idea was broached, someone could hold up his hand in the V sign (a backward peace sign of that era) and indicate that the motion wash not approved. They later shortened the process so that you could just shout "V" to get the point across. In the Choom Gang, all V's were created equal.

Why should anyone care who the Green Party is running for President? Unfortunately under our non democratic system the actual contest is between the two wings of the oligarchic party. Your question about the TP is easy to answer: After a grueling contest the TP candidate is Mitt Romney. They'd have preferred someone else but couldn't come up with who that would be. I'd like to see the TP take a political defeat. I'd like to see the money pumped in by the Koch brothers, Sheldon Aedelson and friends to come to naught. I'd like to see very long faces on those doorbell ringing liars of the Mormon Church too.

We could kill one of those parties, i think one of them has gone insane seems it should be pretty easy if we can bust through the media blockade and get the information out there. Taking one of them down would shake things up pretty well I would think.

Guess what? Capitalism is not going to be abolished this coming November. Also, whether you or I or your sister like it or not there is going to be a vote for the presidency of the US of A regardless of what i feel about it. So, I'm going to vote in a way that does the most good or the least harm to the 99 percent cause as I see it. The most rabid of the one percenter politicians bought directly by the most rabid and plain flat out criminal billionaires are in one party. I want to see them get beaten, and if they don't succeed in plain rigging the election in enough states they may very well be beaten. I want to see the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, Jamie Dimon get beat. I want the electorate to reject the party that out and out advocates slashing of the social contract that the one percent has so far had with the 99 percent in the US which is mainly medicare medicaid and social security. I know the democrats are not great defenders of those things and good for little else but that's where things stand right now.

Find somthing you can feel good about.And do it.I f a person has reservations doing whatever it is a good indicator that it should not be done.People are very adept at convincing themselves of things they are not comfortable with.The so called lesser of two evils is still evil.Thanks for your post.

I made an error in assuming that the outside spending was about the same. Actually the reps outspent the dems by a wide margin, but that was because of the primaries, reps battling reps. Obama had no opposition, so little outside spending by dems.

It will be a completely different story now that they are battling head to head.

Would Sheldon Adelson spend $100 million dollars to make the Obama Justice Department go away? To have a US president intercede on his behalf with the Macau/Chinese authorities? To bomb Iran? Yep you can bet on it.

I went to your link. It shows that conservative leaning groups have $185.2 millions, liberal groups have $30.5 million and "others" have $20.9 million. This doesn't count what Sheldon Adelson's aide has said, that Adelson, a fanatical right wing zionist who with his corporations is under serious investigation in the US and China for Prostitution profiteering, money laundering, bribery is ready to spend over $100 million to beat Obama. Now that number $100 million is interesting. Mitt Romney was able to parlay IRA contributions of no more than $30,000 per year for fifteen years into $100 million. The guy must be some sort of genius or a crook.

I made an error in assuming that the outside spending was about the same. Actually the reps outspent the dems by a wide margin, but that was because of the primaries, reps battling reps. Obama had no opposition, so little outside spending by dems.

It will be a completely different story now that they are battling head to head.

Scads of Republicans, like Ron Paul listed as still in the race. Then those who dropped out and their money: And those who decided against running and their money.
Money of all candidates:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/sourceall.php
Outside spending:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/indexp.php
You'll see Obama does not come close to the combined total of the Republican candidates. Now their donors are free to get behind Romney and even though "open secrets" hasn't caught up. it's clear that Romney owns the moneybags.

It will be interesting to see how much money is raised by both sides. Opensecrets is at the mercy of when the data is released, sometimes weeks after the fact. Some of the outside spending reports are not released for months.

get some nose plugs, because we got some work ahead, but think of the fun we can have in the primaries, they are going to run Ryan Paul in 2016 if we are all over the primaries we can get someone out of the bunch that will be decent, I hope

I would love to see another party. The problem is the entire system works on an ape like need to follow the silverback. All the individuals that make up the media, Washington, the pentagon, congress, are unable to brake from this barbarism. All the education, the "I know stuff" suits. It's all costumes and makeup on a bunch of monkeys. Who has time to do something with all that grey matter when you have social politics to obey.

Nader should run for Congress, the way things are set up with "winner take all" two is all the system supports, that's why we always have two, we just have the wrong two right now I say get rid of one, that will scare the other enough to take over easy like.

the tea party is the republican party. They just yell louder, interrupt people, and are somehow more ignorant.

And I find it incredibly assholish of you to diss on the only person running for president that took the time out of her day to actually protests banks stealing people's homes. Not only that but she fully supports the 99%

Maybe if she voted YES on the TARP bailouts, YES on the patriot act, bombed 5 countries in the past 12 months, and used mercenaries like Black Water in Iraq and Afghanistan to this day... maybe then you'd think she has plenty of experience?