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From: "David.Williams"
Subject: List Manager for MVS SoftSwitch/
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From: David.Williams@CENTAO
Subject: List Manager for MVS SoftSwitch/TAO?
Hi,
We are an MVS shop with SoftSwitch and TAO. All SoftSwitch
and TAO users can communicate with one another via electronic mail.
We would like to set up a list server that runs on MVS and allows
everyone to communicate with it by mail.
We do have some RS/6000 machines running AIX, however it is
not desireable at this time to set up a list server on one of these
machines. They are not currently part of our electronic mail network.
My question: is there list server software available to run under MVS?
Your replies will be appreciated.
David Williams
Senior Systems Analyst Software Services Branch
Alberta PWSS
SoftSwitch Nickname: WILLID Phone 403/427-7622
Internet: willid@censsw.gov.ab.ca Fax 403/427-3876
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Subject: Starting from scratch
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After a decade of yoeman service, it is time to retire Synchro, our 286
Xenix system. I figured I would replace it with a 486 box and one of
those inexpensive CD-ROM Unixes (BSD, Linux, etc).
My question to this group is: are any of the inexpensive CD-ROM-based
Unixes better or worse than the others for supporting mailing lists,
email, news, and Internet interfacing in general?
I haven't picked a specific one yet, but I plan on installing one of the
automated mailing list managers. Do you know of any Unix CD-ROM that
includes one? Are any of the cheap Unixes better or worse for porting
any of the popular automated managers?
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Chuck Cox
SynchroSystems / Riverside Garage & Brewery - Cambridge, Mass.
From list-managers-owner Thu Jan 5 11:37:39 1995
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:31:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Michelle Murrain
Subject: Re: Starting from scratch
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On Thu, 5 Jan 1995 chuck@synchro.com (Chuck Cox) wrote:
> After a decade of yoeman service, it is time to retire Synchro, our 286
> Xenix system. I figured I would replace it with a 486 box and one of
> those inexpensive CD-ROM Unixes (BSD, Linux, etc).
>
> My question to this group is: are any of the inexpensive CD-ROM-based
> Unixes better or worse than the others for supporting mailing lists,
> email, news, and Internet interfacing in general?
>
> I haven't picked a specific one yet, but I plan on installing one of the
> automated mailing list managers. Do you know of any Unix CD-ROM that
> includes one? Are any of the cheap Unixes better or worse for porting
> any of the popular automated managers?
Well, I don't know about whether any of the inexpensive unixes include
list management software, but I can tell you about Linux.
We've got linux here on a 486, and we run a few lists, some simple smail
lists, and a couple using the software Smartlist. However, Linux is so
compatible, that I understand that any list managment software can run on
it. I know of folks running majordomo, and listproc on linux.In fact, just
about any software written for Unix works on Linux, and it's pretty fast.
There is no problem in terms of Linux being able to handle high volume
lists.
So, I'd check linux out. Besides it's FREE (or if you want to go CD-ROM -
pretty damn cheap). Can't beat that.
Michelle
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Is there a mailing list or other discussion area for ListProc 6.0?
Thanks. I've been corresponding with someone stumped with a question, and,
having no experience with ListProc (except as a subscriber to lists running
under it), cannot help her myself.
David W. Tamkin Box 3284 Skokie, Illinois 60076-6284
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I have been having a problem with messages sent via majordomo to a mailing
list that I am managing. Specifically, some, but not all, of the
subscribers get the message "Mime-Version: 1.0" repeated on line after line
of the approved message (it's a moderated list). Not everyone on the list
has the problem, though. An example of one today is set forth below.
Does anyone know what may be causing this problem and how to fix it?
Many thanks.
Lew
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>From: dpvan@interaccess.com (David P. Vandagriff)
>Subject: Re: Internet legal seminar
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>James Cameron responded:
>>
>>These are all excellent observations. The downside of a single legal seminar
>>is it will not provide the majority of the audience with the skills to jump
>>onto the Internet, let alone be productive. I would view a seminar as
more of
>>an overview of the Internet as a legal resource/tool whose limited goal was
>>general education and awareness.
>
>I think you're right for the slow learners. For lawyers with some computer
>aptitude, however, turning them loose with directions on how to find a
>couple of big Web indices may be all they need.
>
>>The point about the difficulty people have connecting to the Internet is
>>absolutely correct, as is that concerning shell-based vs the newer GUI-based
>>toolsets. The point is not to struggle with connections or tools, but to use
>>the Internet as a resource that makes people more productive.
>
>The smarter ISP's are making it very easy. The one I use provides a
>one-disk plug 'n play Windows setup that has you up and running within about
>5 minutes of putting the disk in the computer. As I recall, I typed in two
>numbers, just copying them off a sheet of paper that came with the disk. As
>far as ease of installation and use, it was right up there with America Online.
>
>
>David
>
> ========================================================
>| David P. Vandagriff | dpvan@interaccess.com |
>| 315A Broadway, P.O. Box 187 | ABA/net: !dvandagriff |
>| Monett, MO 65708-0187 | voice: 417-235-3858 |
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From list-managers-owner Wed Jan 11 01:53:57 1995
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On Jan 10, 9:25am, lewrose@netcom.com wrote:
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> I have been having a problem with messages sent via majordomo to a mailing
> list that I am managing. Specifically, some, but not all, of the
> subscribers get the message "Mime-Version: 1.0" repeated on line after line
> of the approved message (it's a moderated list). Not everyone on the list
> has the problem, though. An example of one today is set forth below.
>
> Does anyone know what may be causing this problem and how to fix it?
It sounds like the bug in some versions of the OpenWindows mailtool.
Early MIME (read-only) support in this program had a bug with these symptoms.
Get them to get the relevant patch, or upgrade to a later version of SunOS.
I can't quote patch numbers, but I believe it's included in the OpenWindows
jumbo patch.
Cheers,
--
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Subject: List problem
From: ted.kraus@syncomm.com (TED KRAUS)
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I'm operating 4 lists using a PC with pcbuucp to manage the list. We
have had several users 'sign off" but continue to receive message. I've
checked the list but they're not on iy. Any ideas what the problem is.
I'm also get "bounced" messages from an address not on the list, so how
do I take it off?
thanks
ted
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Hello again everyone,
Several months ago I posted the message;
-> Hello All,
->
-> I am trying to develop a policy statement to distribute to faculty members on
-> campus who are being given the ability to run a local list. I was wondering
-> if anyone knows of an encapsulated version of questions such as;
->
-> What do I do with rude/offensive users?
-> What responsibilities does a list manager have to the recipients?
-> What type of messages should I screen? (Offensive language? Disagreements?)
-> What responsibility does a list manager have to keep the topic on track?
-> How does a list manager keep the topic on track?
-> What should policy be when the list manager leaves? Takes a sabatical? Goes on
-> vacation?
->
-> I would appreciate opinions or a direction to pursue such research. I thank
-> you for your help.
-> Sincerely
-> David Doherty
I received a little bit of help and a great deal of interest with regards to
this posting. Many of you informed me that you knew of no such document but
requested that I send my final copy to individuals or the list. Since November
I have had other work which required more attention and have not had the time
to work on this document, now I am back on the case.
What I need from the list is any kind of official or unofficial policy with
regards to the above posting, opinions or comments included. What I will do
with this is attempt to construct a policy statement from all of your input,
which I will forward to the list upon completion. Thanks to all of you whom
have already sent either policy or ideas my way, I have saved them all. If any
list managers can help with information on this topic, I would again, greatly
appreciate it.
Regards
David Doherty
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Dave Doherty DDOHERTY@TOPCAT.BRIDGEW.EDU
Bridgewater State College DDOHERTY@PIANO.MECN.MASS.EDU
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I think talented people should take a vow. "At least, do no harm."
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A Revised Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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Title : An Extensible Message Format for
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Date : 01/20/1995
This memo defines a MIME content-type that may be used by a message
transfer agent (MTA) or electronic mail gateway to report the result of an
attempt to deliver a message to one or more recipients. This content-type
is intended as a machine-processable replacement for the various types of
delivery status notifications currently used in Internet electronic mail.
Because many messages are sent between the Internet and other messaging
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I would like to know how to disable the 'who' command on certain lists
and make them only availiable to the list owner. The people on the
list, nor the world should be able to get this information.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Bob Collie
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> I would like to know how to disable the 'who' command on certain lists
> and make them only availiable to the list owner. The people on the
> list, nor the world should be able to get this information.
> Thanks in advance for your help.
This should be directed to a mailing list or other support forum for
whatever mailing list software you are using; list-managers readers
use several packages, including Majordomo, LISTSERV, ListProc,
SmartList, etc., and the answer will be different for each.
There are several Majordomo lists hosted at GreatCircle.COM; for info
on subscribing to majordomo-users send a message to
majordomo-users-request@greatcircle.com. There are undoubtedly lists
elsewhere for the other packages as well.
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Michael C. Berch
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mcb@postmodern.com
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From: Tim Miller <70611.410@compuserve.com>
To: list-managers
Subject: majordomo on the Internet
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Yo! Tim Miller here. First posting on this list.
I'm on a LISTSERV list and a Majordomo list. They've both been a joy and
headache-free, even though my only internet access is thru CompuServe, which
is not exactly internet-friendly.
Now I want to host a Majordomo or LISTSERV list. It would probably start small
and slow, but could grow over a period of years to perhaps a couple of hundred
subscribers. I don't think the average number of postings per subscriber per
period of time would ever be very high.
Please help! I'm having major difficulties finding a commercial Internet
access provider that makes Majordomo or LISTSERV available. Can anyone suggest
some? Don' know nothin' 'bout Greatcircle.com. Perhaps it's what I'm looking
for.
Additional criteria: I want to publish the email address in the next printing
of my book, so that readers who liked my book can talk to each other. (It's an
author's unorthodox self-promotion scheme.) Therefore, it is very important
that the internet access provider be stable and financially sound, likely to
remain in existence indefinitely. A change of email address would spoil my
plans bigtime. Ideally, also, the access provider would be at least a little
Macintosh-friendly. I'm in Northern California, so some reasonaly inexpensive
method of access would be helpful, i.e., 800 number, northern California area
code, etc.
Thanks a googolplex,
Tim Miller
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From: Tim Miller <70611.410@compuserve.com>
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Subject: majordomo on the Internet
I'd appreciate receiving a copy of any replies. I'm currently running a
list from my personal e-mail and it's too time consuming. (My site is not
agreeable to running majordomo or other such software here.)
Sandi
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From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch)
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> Now I want to host a Majordomo or LISTSERV list. It would probably start small
> and slow, but could grow over a period of years to perhaps a couple of hundred
> subscribers. I don't think the average number of postings per subscriber per
> period of time would ever be very high.
>
> Please help! I'm having major difficulties finding a commercial Internet
> access provider that makes Majordomo or LISTSERV available. Can anyone suggest
> some? Don' know nothin' 'bout Greatcircle.com. Perhaps it's what I'm looking
> for.
Great Circle Associates (GreatCircle.COM) is an Internet security
training and consulting firm, NOT a service provider. GCA makes the
Majordomo *software* available, but does not offer list hosting
services. Majordomo is at GCA because its author, Brent Chapman, is
GCA's principal.
I do know that Netcom Online Communications (netcom.com) allows its
shell account users to host Majordomo lists, and I thought that The
World (world.std.com) did as well. Don't know about others.
> Additional criteria: I want to publish the email address in the next printing
> of my book, so that readers who liked my book can talk to each other. (It's an
> author's unorthodox self-promotion scheme.) Therefore, it is very important
> that the internet access provider be stable and financially sound, likely to
> remain in existence indefinitely. A change of email address would spoil my
> plans bigtime.
The best way to do this is to pick your own domain name and register
it, and have mail routed to you by whatever service provider you
choose. This is obviously a bit more complicated and expensive than
just having a single account with a provider, but you will "own" the
domain and be able to move it among providers relatively easily (I say
"relatively" since it now seems to take almost a month to get the
InterNIC to do domain updates and name server changes).
You also get the flexibility of having multiple user names or aliases
in your domain.
--
Michael C. Berch
Postmaster and List Manager, Great Circle Associates
mcb@greatcircle.com / mcb@postmodern.com
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From: mpmNS@hamp.hampshire.edu (Michelle Murrain)
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Tim Miller <70611.410@compuserve.com> writes:
>Now I want to host a Majordomo or LISTSERV list. It would probably start small
>and slow, but could grow over a period of years to perhaps a couple of hundred
>subscribers. I don't think the average number of postings per subscriber per
>period of time would ever be very high.
>
>Please help! I'm having major difficulties finding a commercial Internet
>access provider that makes Majordomo or LISTSERV available. Can anyone suggest
>some? Don' know nothin' 'bout Greatcircle.com. Perhaps it's what I'm looking
>for.
I think Netcom sets up mailing lists for it's customers. I'd also try a
small unix shell account provider. They would be the most likely to do that
sort of thing for customers. The big providers, (AOL, CI$, etc are
impossible about that sort of thing - mostly because they just have too
many users).
Also, depending upon what kind of list you are talking about, try sending
some queries to lists and newsgroups that are related. You might find
someone at an academic or .com site willing to give you an account, or host
the list for you.
(That's how I became manager of one of my lists).
Michelle
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From: Bruce Altner
To: Michelle Murrain
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> Tim Miller <70611.410@compuserve.com> writes:
>
> >Now I want to host a Majordomo or LISTSERV list. It would probably start small
> >and slow, but could grow over a period of years to perhaps a couple of hundred
> >subscribers. I don't think the average number of postings per subscriber per
> >period of time would ever be very high.
> >
> >Please help! I'm having major difficulties finding a commercial Internet
> >access provider that makes Majordomo or LISTSERV available. Can anyone suggest
> >some? Don' know nothin' 'bout Greatcircle.com. Perhaps it's what I'm looking
> >for.
>
Tim:
ARInternet provides this service at very reasonable rates for
non-subscribers and even more reasonable for those who have accounts with
us. We also offer automatic hypertext archiving of the messages. Write to
me if you want more details.
Bruce
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From: Dave Del Torto
Subject: Poor Man's List-Maintenance (was: Re: majordomo on the Internet)
Cc: Tim Miller <70611.410@compuserve.com>,
mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch)
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Replying to Tim Miller <70611.410@compuserve.com> at 3:15 pm 1/27/95,
Michael C. Berch wrote:
>> Now I want to host a Majordomo or LISTSERV list. It would probably start
>>small and slow, but could grow over a period of years to perhaps a couple
>[elided]
>
>[elided]
>I do know that Netcom Online Communications (netcom.com) allows its
>shell account users to host Majordomo lists, and I thought that The
>World (world.std.com) did as well. Don't know about others.
>
>> Additional criteria: I want to publish the email address in the next
>>printing of my book, so that readers who liked my book can talk to each
>>>>[elided] it is very important that the internet access provider be
>>stable >>[elided]
>
>The best way to do this is to pick your own domain name and register
>it, and have mail routed to you by whatever service provider you
>choose. This is obviously a bit more complicated and expensive than
>just having a single account with a provider, but you will "own" the
>domain and be able to move it among providers relatively easily (I say
>"relatively" since it now seems to take almost a month to get the
>InterNIC to do domain updates and name server changes).
>[elided]
Michael's comments and suggestions are right on the money. Registering your
own domain name is a good idea no matter what ISP you choose, and will help
you maintain the "stability" you seek for your email address. BTW, even
just registering the domain name may also take a few weeks to over a month
to clear the InterNIC (assuming the domain name you want isn't already
taken), so get started on this immediately, especially if you want to meet
a publishing deadline.
As far a maintaining a list, you can do that through any ISP that supports
Majordomo or LISTSERV, but you are at the mercy of their support staff, and
any changes you want to make can become complicated. With the current
increase in interest about hte net, this may take a looong time to set up
as well. You'll have to learn how to interact with support staff as well as
the list-maintenance software on your ISPs host. Let me describe another
scenario for reasonably low-cost access and list-maintenance that leaves
you in pretty reasonable control of your own shop.
First you need live access to the Internet. The simplest (and most
cost-effective) way to do this without setting up a UNIX box ($1-4,000) on
a leased ISDN, T1 (approx $1200/month) or T3 line is with a SLIP (Serial
Line Internet Protocol) account at an ISP with a local access dial-in. You
won't be on the net 24/7, but it won't cost you an arm and a leg either. In
the case of Netcom or CRL (to use two No. Cal. examples), you'll need to
spend a relatively small amount of money to set up a (business) SLIP
account (approx $400? setup fee, $150? monthly, your mileage may vary), as
the low-cost (~$20/month) "personal" SLIP accounts that offer _fixed_ IP
addressing (which is necessary to support your custom domain scheme) are
pretty impossible to find. The fixed IP address means that the ISP can
configure their nameserver to route all mail (no matter what the
userid@yourdomain.xxx) to your POP account where you can pick it up at your
convenience.
Shop around. Once you establish a business SLIP account you'll no longer
have to run your "domain" from a shell account. Shell accounts are not bad
per se, but they're not as friendly as could be if you aren't a UNIX guru,
and they get rather frustrating to deal with if you handle a substantial
amount of traffic, say a few hundred msgs per day maintaining your own
distribution list. All of the above decisions are based on how much
knowledge, money and time you have.
So, let's say you get your custom domain registered and your SLIP access to
the ISP's POP server is up and running. Now the problem is how to handle
your volume of mail. Running a list is another order of complexity above
just handling a lot of mail, but I'll get to that in a moment. If you want
to make mail-handling more friendly to use, choose some good mail software.
Filtering of incoming mail is *crucial* feature, especially if you
subscribe to a lot of lists from several addresses at your domain. You
should also look for good mailbox handling, as you'll have to create and
maintain a lot of mailboxes while getting yourself organized.
Personally, I use Qualcomm's Eudora software on a very fast Macintosh
workstation. It's a well-crafted piece of software and IMHO deserves the
awards it wins. Its sophisticated filtering capabilities, especially with
the multiple addresses I've established at my domain, are *essential* to my
operation - it's a sort of "poor man's mail center/list maintainer." In a
nutshell, mail coming into each one of the many addresses at my domain gets
filtered into different mailboxes, based on what address it's been sent to
at the "lsd.com" domain (Level Seven Design). It also gets prioritized and
labelled and subjects get tailored based on who/where it came _from_. All
of this you can have _today_, with a registered domain name and Eudora 2.1
(the commercial version, which has the filtering capabilities). A dedicated
SLIP account to a POP3 server means that you can run at fairly high speeds
and have live access to the net as well, should you want to use the Web,
etc. For the type of traffic it sounds like you'll be dealing with, I
highly recommend getting a high-speed SLIP account with access to a POP
server.
While I don't know about specific features in future versions of Eudora, if
you're interested in running a *modest* distribution list by yourself
without getting into serious list-management software NOW, the only missing
missing ingredient in the current version of Eudora (2.1.1) is the ability
to filter mail on an incoming "To:" address at your domain, queue it up and
automatically _send it back out_ from your SLIP connection to either a list
address maintained elsewhere, or a distribution list _you_ define. Eudora
already supports group aliases ("Nicknames") for outgoing mail, and though
you'd have to do some outbound processing manually, rumor is that the
automated outbound capability may fall into place "soon." If your
distributions are limited to a few hundred names and your outgoing list
traffic is fairly simple to maintain (eg. you digest a few dozen msgs once
a day and send them back out to a dist list, etc.), Eudora is a good option
today, and you'll get a really nice mail app in the bargain. Once it
handles automated outgoing mail, it'll be a great list solution for those
of us on a limited budget. I wouldn't get into running a high-volume list
(thousands of subscribers) this way, though. In that case, either deal with
your ISPs list-maintenance service and support, or buy a cheap UNIX box,
strap it to a leased T1 line (or an ISDN line if its available where you
are) and run Majordomo or LISTSERV, etc.
Netcom is at: 1.800.353.6600
CRL is at: 1.415-837-5300
BTW, there's a new ISP in Berkeley called "Community ConneXion" that sounds
interesting. They are the only outfit that I know of that offers completely
anonymized accounts. They also run an anonymous remailer and are
encryption-friendly. I don't know if they offer SLIP access, but you can
inquire at .
dave
PS: I've no financial interest in Eudora, except as a user, but info is
available either by sending mail to:
or by calling: 1.800.3.EUDORA
If you want to learn more by interacting with Eudora users, there's a new
list you can subscribe to by sending mail to:
To: majordomo@qualcomm.com
From: [your address]
Subject: [ignored]
Msg-Body: subscribe mac-eudora-forum
OR
subscribe windows-eudora-forum
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From: sds@jazzie.com (Sean Shapira)
Subject: Re: Poor Man's List-Maintenance (was: Re: majordomo on the Internet)
To: ddt@lsd.com (Dave Del Torto)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:55:39 -0800 (PST)
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Michael C. Berch wrote:
> >The best way to do this is to pick your own domain name and register
> >it, and have mail routed to you by whatever service provider you
> >choose.
Absolutely solid advice. Your domain name service can come from
any provider, not just from the guy providing you with access!
(I'm biased here, since I offer inexpensive name service but not
inexpensive access. ;-)
Regarding email list service, Dave Del Toro wrote:
> you are at the mercy of [the provider's] support staff,
> and any changes you want to make can become complicated.
Any good email list software (like Majordomo) provides list owners
with the ability to configure the list without intervention by the
system administrator.
Dave then describes:
> another scenario for reasonably low-cost access and list-maintenance
> that leaves you in pretty reasonable control of your own shop.
> You'll need [...] _fixed_ IP addressing [so] the ISP
> can [...] route all mail [for your domain] to your POP account.
A technically competent provider can route all mail for your domain
to POP accounts, regardless of whether you have a fixed IP address.
> Personally, I use Qualcomm's Eudora software on a very fast Macintosh
> workstation. [...] Once it handles automated outgoing mail, it'll
> be a great list solution for those of us on a limited budget.
Agreed. Until it arrives though, it's vapor. And it won't ever
scale smoothly if one of the lists you run takes off in volume.
> In [the high volume] case, either deal with
> your ISPs list-maintenance service and support, or buy a cheap UNIX box,
> strap it to a leased T1 line (or an ISDN line if its available where you
> are) and run Majordomo or LISTSERV, etc.
Heck, if you really want total control of the machine handling your
lists, buy a cheap box (it could even be a Mac ;-) and set it up as
a dedicated server co-located on your provider's network. This can
be quite inexpensive if you find the right provider....
--
Sean Shapira sds@jazzie.com (206) 443-2028
Jazzie Systems
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 02:04:11 +0100
From: Eric Thomas
Subject: Re: Poor Man's List-Maintenance (was: Re: majordomo on the
Internet)
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On Sat, 28 Jan 1995 11:20:09 -0800 Dave Del Torto said:
>As far a maintaining a list, you can do that through any ISP that
>supports Majordomo or LISTSERV, but you are at the mercy of their
>support staff, and any changes you want to make can become complicated.
>[...] Let me describe another scenario for reasonably low-cost access
>and list-maintenance that leaves you in pretty reasonable control of
>your own shop. [...] In the case of Netcom or CRL (to use two No. Cal.
>examples), you'll need to spend a relatively small amount of money to
>set up a (business) SLIP account (approx $400? setup fee, $150? monthly,
>your mileage may vary), as the low-cost (~$20/month) "personal" SLIP
>accounts that offer _fixed_ IP addressing (which is necessary to support
>your custom domain scheme) are pretty impossible to find. The fixed IP
>address means that the ISP can configure their nameserver to route all
>mail (no matter what the userid@yourdomain.xxx) to your POP account
>where you can pick it up at your convenience.
Ok, so your alternative costs $400 setup + $150/month. This price
includes SLIP service for your personal needs. Your list is only
operational when you care to call the service provider, and you have to
use what list management software may be available for your Mac or
Windows machine.
You seem to say that for $20/month you can get the same SLIP service
except with a random IP address (the figures I've seen on the wire were a
bit higher, but then I don't live in the US and admit my ignorance on the
subject). For $30-50/month you can get a mailing list on a professionally
managed system with the real LISTSERV. This machine will of course be
reachable 24h a day and will have much better Internet connectivity
(probably T1). Even if they're not otherwise very helpful, you can trust
the support staff to keep the machine up because they'd have a lot of
phone calls from angry customers and subscribers otherwise. You only need
their intervention to create the list, and after that you can manage it
yourself remotely. So it's not like you're really all that dependent on
the support staff.
For a more stable/permanent address, you can register your own domain and
have "someone" create a mailbox under your domain that points to the
list. I'm not sure if service providers offer that kind of service,
though. If you use LISTSERV, your list will be reachable as
xxxx@LISTSERV.NET no matter where it is located, so you can publish that
address. If the list host turns out to provide lousy service, you just
switch to another provider. In fact SUBSCRIBE requests sent to the old
provider will continue to work, assuming of course that they deleted the
list when you stopped paying, which seems a reasonable assumption.
Eric
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From: sds@jazzie.com (Sean Shapira)
Subject: Re: Poor Man's List-Maintenance
To: ERIC@SEARN.SUNET.SE (Eric Thomas)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 02:57:31 -0800 (PST)
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Eric Thomas wrote:
> For a more stable/permanent address, you can register your own domain and
> have "someone" create a mailbox under your domain that points to the
> list. I'm not sure if service providers offer that kind of service,
> though.
Of course they do! (At least, some of them... ;-)
--
Sean Shapira sds@jazzie.com (206) 443-2028
Jazzie Systems
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From: offshore@hopf.dnai.com (Arnold L. Cornez, J.D.)
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Hi,
I am the list owner/manager/moderator/editor/digestifier of OFFSHORE. 465
subscribers in 26 countries. I am interested in registering a domain. Every
attempt to correspond by email with xxxxxxx@is.internic.net is responded to
by a dumb computer with an auto response that can*t reply to my simple
questions of how to do it and where?
I would appreciate any assistance is registering a domain name. Specifics
such as how and where. Thanks for any assistance.
Arnie...
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 13:06:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Bruce Altner
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Subject: Re: Resistration of Domain Name
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On Sun, 29 Jan 1995 offshore@hopf.dnai.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I am the list owner/manager/moderator/editor/digestifier of OFFSHORE. 465
> subscribers in 26 countries. I am interested in registering a domain. Every
> attempt to correspond by email with xxxxxxx@is.internic.net is responded to
> by a dumb computer with an auto response that can*t reply to my simple
> questions of how to do it and where?
>
You need to fill out a form (see below) and submit it to the InterNIC.
Note that you we to specify at least two cites which will act as domain name
resolvers for your domain. Usually, the first is your ISP.
Bruce Altner
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[ NETINFO:DOMAIN-TEMPLATE.TXT ] [ 04/93 ]
To establish a domain, the following information must be sent to
the InterNIC Domain Registrar (HOSTMASTER@INTERNIC.NET). Questions
may be addressed to the Hostmaster by electronic mail at the
above address, or by phone at (703) 742-4777 or (800) 444-4345.
NOTE: The key people must have electronic mailboxes and
"handles," unique NIC database identifiers. If you have access to
"WHOIS", please check to see if you are registered and if so, make
sure the information is current. Include only your handle and any
changes (if any) that need to be made in your entry. If you do not
have access to "WHOIS", please provide all the information indicated
and a handle will be assigned.
(1) The name of the top-level domain to join
(EDU, COM, MIL, GOV, NET, ORG).
1. Top-level domain:
(2) The name of the domain (up to 12 characters). This is the name
that will be used in tables and lists associating the domain with the
domain server addresses. [While, from a technical standpoint, domain
names can be quite long we recommend the use of shorter, more user-
friendly names.]
2. Complete Domain Name:
(3) The name and address of the organization establishing the
domain.
3a. Organization name:
3b. Organization address:
(4) The date you expect the domain to be fully operational.
4. Date operational:
(5) The handle of the administrative head of the organization --
or this person's name, mailing address, phone number, organization,
and network mailbox. This is the contact point for administrative
and policy questions about the domain. In the case of a research
project, this should be the principal investigator.
NOTE: Both the Administrative and the Technical/Zone contact of a
domain MUST have a network mailbox, even if the mailbox is to be
within the proposed domain.
Administrative Contact
5a. Handle (if known) :
5b. Name (Last, First) :
5c. Organization:
5d. Mail Address:
5e. Phone Number:
5f. Net Mailbox :
(6) The handle of the technical contact for the domain -- or
the person's name, mailing address, phone number, organization,
and network mailbox. This is the contact point for
problems concerning the domain or zone, as well as for updating
information about the domain or zone.
Technical and Zone Contact
6a. Handle (if known):
6b. Name (Last, First) :
6c. Organization:
6d. Mail Address:
6e. Phone Number:
6f. Net Mailbox :
(7) Domains must provide at least two independent servers
on Government-sponsored networks that provide the domain
service for translating names to addresses for hosts in
this domain.
* If you are applying for a domain and a network number assignment
simultaneously and a host on your proposed network will be used
as a server for the domain, you must wait until you receive your
network number assigment and have given the server(s) a netaddress
before sending in the domain application. Sending in the domain
application without complete information in Sections 7 and 8 of
this template will result in the delay of the domain registration.
Also, establishing the servers in physically separate locations
and on different PSNs and/or networks is strongly recommended.
NOTE: All new hosts acting as servers will appear in the DNS root
servers but will not apppear in the HOSTS.TXT file
unless otherwise requested.
Primary Server: HOSTNAME, NETADDRESS, HARDWARE, SOFTWARE
7a. Primary Server Hostname:
7b. Primary Server Netaddress:
7c. Primary Server Hardware:
7d. Primary Server Software:
(8) The Secondary server information.
8a. Secondary Server Hostname:
8b. Secondary Server Netaddress:
8c. Secondary Server Hardware:
8d. Secondary Server Software:
(9) If any currently registered hosts will be renamed into the new
domain, please specify old hostname, netaddress, and new hostname.
For example:
BAR-FOO2.XYZ.COM (26.8.0.193) -> FOO2.BAR.COM
BAR-FOO3.XYZ.COM (192.7.3.193) -> FOO3.BAR.COM
BAR-FOO4.ARPA (34.6.0.193) -> FOO4.BAR.COM
(10) Please describe your organization briefly.
For example: Our Corporation is a consulting
organization of people working with UNIX and the C language in an
electronic networking environment. It sponsors two technical
conferences annually and distributes a bimonthly newsletter.
For further information contact InterNIC Registration Services:
Via electronic mail: HOSTMASTER@INTERNIC.NET
Via telephone: (800) 444-4345 or (703) 742-4777
Via postal mail: Network Solutions
InterNIC Registration Services
505 Huntmar Park Drive
Herndon, VA 22070
RECOMMENDED READING
Feinler, E.J.; Jacobsen, O.J.; Stahl, M.K.; Ward, C.A., eds. DDN
Protocol Handbook: Menlo Park, CA: SRI International, DDN Network
Information Center; 1985 December; NIC 50004 and NIC 50005 and NIC
50006. 2749 p.
Garcia-Luna-Aceves, J.J.; Stahl, M.K.; Ward, C.A., eds. Internet
Protocol Handbook: The Domain Name System (DNS) Handbook. Menlo Park,
CA: SRI International, Network Information Systems Center; 1989
August; 219 p. AD A214 698.
Postel, J.B.; Reynolds, J.K. Domain Requirements. Marina del Rey, CA:
University of Southern California, Information Sciences Inst.; 1984
October; RFC 920. 14 p. (RS.INTERNIC.NET POLICY RFC920.TXT).
Harrenstien, K.; Stahl, M.K.; Feinler, E.J. DoD Internet Host Table
Specification. Menlo Park, CA: SRI International, DDN Network
Information Center; 1985 October; RFC 952. 6 p. (RS.INTERNIC.NET
POLICY RFC952.TXT). Obsoletes: RFC 810
Harrenstien, K.; Stahl, M.K.; Feinler, E.J. Hostname Server. Menlo
Park, CA: SRI International, DDN Network Information Center; 1985
October; RFC 953. 5 p. (NIC.DDN.MIL RFC:RFC953.TXT).
Obsoletes: RFC 811
Partridge, C. Mail Routing and the Domain System. Cambridge, MA: BBN
Labs., Inc.; 1986 January; RFC 974. 7 p. (RS.INTERNIC.NET
POLICY RFC974.TXT).
Lazear, W.D. MILNET Name Domain Transition. McLean, VA: MITRE Corp.;
1987 November; RFC 1031. 10 p. (RS.INTERNIC.NET POLICY RFC1031.TXT).
Stahl, M.K. Domain Administrators Guide. Menlo Park, CA: SRI
International, DDN Network Information Center; 1987 November; RFC
1032. 14 p. (RS.INTERNIC.NET POLICY RFC1032.TXT).
Lottor, M. Domain Administrators Operations Guide. Menlo Park, CA:
SRI International, DDN Network Information Center; 1987 November; RFC
1033. 22 p. (RS.INTERNIC.NET POLICY RFC1033.TXT).
Mockapetris, P. Domain Names - Concepts and Facilities. Marina del
Rey, CA: University of Southern California, Information Sciences
Inst.; 1987 November; RFC 1034. 55 p. (RS.INTERNIC.NET
POLICY RFC1034.TXT). Updated-by: RFC 1101
Obsoletes: RFC 973; RFC 882; RFC 883
Mockapetris, P. Domain names - Implementation and Specification.
Marina del Rey, CA: University of Southern California, Information
Sciences Inst.; 1987 November; RFC 1035. 55 p. (RS.INTERNIC.NET
POLICY RFC1035.TXT). Updated-by: RFC 1101
Obsoletes: RFC 973; RFC 882; RFC 883
Mockapetris, P. DNS Encoding of Network Names and Other Types. Marina
del Rey, CA: University of Southern California, Information Sciences
Inst.; 1989 April; RFC 1101. 14 p. (RS.INTERNIC.NET POLICY RFC1101.TXT).
Updates: RFC 1034; RFC 1035
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From: Tim Miller <70611.410@compuserve.com>
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Tim Miller here.
Thanks for the help so far, folks. I'm closing in on a solution, and have
already contacted the sources you have suggested. However, I'm afraid I'm an
internet ingenu (an intergenu?). I'm willing to do my homework and have
already bought the books, but you could give me a little bit of a head start.
mcb writes:
<>
Could someone give me a general idea of what domain names are, how one
registers them, and how mail is routed to domains?
Eric Thomas writes:
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Could someone give me the general idea of how one arranges to have internet
access in one location and a list in another?
Eric continues,
<>
Could someone give me a general idea of how and where one registers an alias,
and approximately what aliases are?
Thanks so much for sharing your time and knowledge.
Best regards,
Tim
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To: offshore@hopf.dnai.com (Arnold L. Cornez, J.D.)
From: Dave Del Torto
Subject: Re: Resistration of Domain Name
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At 7:03 am 1/29/95, Arnold L. Cornez, J.D. wrote:
>Hi,
>I am the list owner/manager/moderator/editor/digestifier of OFFSHORE. 465
>subscribers in 26 countries. I am interested in registering a domain. Every
>attempt to correspond by email with xxxxxxx@is.internic.net is responded to
>by a dumb computer with an auto response that can*t reply to my simple
>questions of how to do it and where?
>
>I would appreciate any assistance is registering a domain name. Specifics
>such as how and where. Thanks for any assistance.
Arnie,
You can snailmail your registration forms directly to the InterNIC. Here's
the whois reply:
>WHOIS internic.net
>
>Network Solutions, Inc. (INTERNIC-DOM)
> 505 Huntmar Park Drive
> Herndon, VA 22070
>
> Domain Name: INTERNIC.NET
>
> Administrative Contact:
> Network Solutions, Inc. (HOSTMASTER) HOSTMASTER@INTERNIC.NET
> (703) 742-4777 (FAX) (703) 742-4811
> Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
> Kosters, Mark A. (MAK21) markk@NETSOL.COM
> (703) 742-4795
>
> Record last updated on 06-May-94.
>
> Domain servers in listed order:
>
> RS.INTERNIC.NET 198.41.0.5
> IS.INTERNIC.NET 192.153.156.15
> NOC.CERF.NET 192.153.156.22
>
>
>The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information
>(Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's).
>Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information.
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From: tal@big.att.com (Tom Limoncelli)
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Subject: Re: majordomo on the Internet
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In-Reply-To: <9501272315.AA13146@postmodern.com> from "Michael C. Berch" at Jan 27, 95 03:15:58 pm
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> Now I want to host a Majordomo or LISTSERV list. It would probably start small
> and slow, but could grow over a period of years to perhaps a couple of hundred
> subscribers. I don't think the average number of postings per subscriber per
> period of time would ever be very high.
>
> Please help! I'm having major difficulties finding a commercial Internet
> access provider that makes Majordomo or LISTSERV available. Can anyone suggest
> some? Don' know nothin' 'bout Greatcircle.com. Perhaps it's what I'm looking
> for.
plts.org is willing to run a limited number of mailings lists for
free. Preference given to mailing list of interest to local (New
Jersey, USA) people, or lists of interest to gay, lesbian, bisexual,
transgendered and supportive straight people.
We use Majordomo which has very good remote control. Our internet
connection is a UUCP feed to an internet-connected site.
--tal
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