"Get offa me, you freaks! This is not North Korea. No. This is America, and I expect to be PAID for that sort of nonsense. In advance. No credit...Cash on the barrelhead or GTFO. I swear to God, there's nothing more annoying than commie perverts who don't understand the intrinsic value of the free market system."

"Get offa me, you freaks! This is not North Korea. No. This is America, and I expect to be PAID for that sort of nonsense. In advance. No credit...Cash on the barrelhead or GTFO. I swear to God, there's nothing more annoying than commie perverts who don't understand the intrinsic value of the free market system."

"Get offa me, you freaks! This is not North Korea. No. This is America, and I expect to be PAID for that sort of nonsense. In advance. No credit...Cash on the barrelhead or GTFO. I swear to God, there's nothing more annoying than commie perverts who don't understand the intrinsic value of the free market system."

not unless your point is that you're not only a snob about music, you're a snob about bad music.

and you totally missed my point about musical complexity, which was that complexity has absolutely ZERO bearing on whether or not music is good.

hence why Dream Theater and jazz, while both technically impressive, are still nothing more than overwrought wankery.

I bet that if you were a metal kid, you'd like Yngwei Malmsteen.

Yngwie Malmsteen is pretty good.

Also a lot of good metal has strong jazz influence. What comes to mind for me is Gorguts and Cryptopsy, both pretty good technical death metal from Quebec, but there are a lot of examples. Metal and Jazz share something else too, which is a large intelligence gap between musician and fan. I dont know, I think jazz is pretty good, and I like what I like.

Which is post ww2 bebop, right after the big gap that followed big band.

I like jazz, dubstep (I can provide examples of good dubstep, too! I'm serious!), metal, J-pop, and any other genre you care to name. I only hate one band, and that is Enter Shikari. I hate Enter Shikari because they manage to take every genre I got into music with, and make it somehow suck so horribly even -I- hate it.

Also, Roger, if you hate dubstep, you will never get over this stuff called illbient.

On the subject of good dubstep... Look for Loefah's "Indian Dub". I'd give a Youtube but it only has the godawful Skream remix. If you like the harsher stuff, look no further than Roguestar's Stay Calm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqEzqo__DBc&fmt=18 (Skip to :30 to avoid a long and shitty intro.)

And if you like stuff that's simply insane... http://new.music.yahoo.com/kraddy/tracks/godzilla--177456993 This song will give you enough to never stop laughing again. EDIT WRONG SONG LOOKING AGAIN.EDIT IT'S GONE FROM THE INTERNET. THE SONG I WAS THINKING OF HAD WACKY JAPANESE SINGING AND WEIRDNESS AND I CANNOT FIND IT. SORRY.