The problem is, Dumars believes in Stuckey more than all of the pro-Stuckey guys on this forum combined.

I can't see Dumars doing anything with the PG position this year. For him to give up on Stuckey or move him to another position would be a big admission that the Billups trade was premature, and Joe is not very quick or candid about rectifying mistakes.

Jun 12, 2010 9:48 AM EST The Hornets are back in luxury tax territory heading into the 2010-11 season and Marc Stein of ESPN.com writes that they will likely be active on the trade market. Rival teams will try to convince New Orleans to trade Chris Paul, but it's much more likely that they'll part with promising backup point guard Darren Collison. Stein writes that the Hornets will likely ask any team interested in Collison to also take one of their cap-clogging contracts -- Emeka Okafor, James Posey or Peja Stojakovic.

Here we have one legit trade scenario for pistons and hornets.We can get okafor very bad contract and collison and give Prince,maxiel and bynum(sign and trade ?). May be necessary one aditional player form new orleans but i will like this trade.I will keep our 7 seven pick,we get bad contract giving T Prince.I think is one trade logical for both teams.We get bad player in okaffor(points/rebounds vs salary) but collison is complementary with Rodney,we only need part ways with hamilton.​

The problem is, Dumars believes in Stuckey more than all of the pro-Stuckey guys on this forum combined.

I can't see Dumars doing anything with the PG position this year. For him to give up on Stuckey or move him to another position would be a big admission that the Billups trade was premature, and Joe is not very quick or candid about rectifying mistakes.

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As a Pro-Stuckey guy, it seems to me that Joe and our coaches may have created a monster.

In the past 3 seasons Stuckey has gone from the instant offense off the bench, into a possesion-swallowing, FGA machine.

Stuckey is clearly their best player and has a +11.8 on/off net points per 100 possessions, but he has a 47.6 TS% which is difficult to rationalize given his usage of over 26%.

There are only 10 seasons on record in which a player has a TS% below .48 with a usage rate over 26% and that includes Washington-era Michael Jordan, 03-04 Allen Iverson, 04-05 Chris Webber, 04-05 Antoine Walker, 99-00 Larry Hughes, Brandon Jennings, 02-03 Walker and four more in the eighties. - link

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Stuckey is in some pretty terrible company. How did he get here though? And can he avoid ending up like the rest of this list (title-less, except MJ)

This happened because the team had no offensive pattern to speak of. For the past year and a half or so, Stuckey was called upon to dribble the ball up and pass to either tayshaun or rip, if they were not open then he had to 'create' and no one would stop him. While it won us some games, it stopped us from really deciding how best to use him. If next season starts and we still haven't figured out we need to develop Stuckey, he'll come out doing more of the same and Stuckey becomes the next Larry Hughes.

If the coaches want to keep their jobs, they are probably going through the tapes now and coming to the same realizations that we are. This means that they will arrive in November with a new game plan, and we will see pretty soon if Rodney really is the monster that some say he is. If he has only became the monster because our situation allowed him to, there will be a new emphasis to push him out of his comfort zone, and we'll see visible struggles as he works towards becoming a more team oriented point guard. If he is willing to work hard and become something else, then maybe he has a chance to escape the destiny of those players on that list.

I'm so sick of hearing this Low Post player nonsense. There arevery few Low Post players left in the league. The 1st team AllNBA center, SUCKS in the post. What we need is a big who can catch and finish in traffic, rebound in traffic and go back up and convert And-1's in traffic. The Big low post player is becoming extinct.

I'm so sick of hearing this Low Post player nonsense. There arevery few Low Post players left in the league. The 1st team AllNBA center, SUCKS in the post. What we need is a big who can catch and finish in traffic, rebound in traffic and go back up and convert And-1's in traffic. The Big low post player is becoming extinct.

Or the bigs hang out at the three point line so that the bruiser point guards can post their men up in the paint. It is kind of backwards, but I think that is what the rule changes created. Then again, the celtics, the lakers, and the spurs all have guys who can score with the their back to the basket, and that's whose won championships lately. Their players can also hit shots from 20 feet away, and don't NEED to be posted on the block to be effective.

As a Pro-Stuckey guy, it seems to me that Joe and our coaches may have created a monster.

In the past 3 seasons Stuckey has gone from the instant offense off the bench, into a possesion-swallowing, FGA machine.

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I honestly have no response for people who think Stuckey is a "possession-swallowing FGA attempt machine".

Try watching the games for once. Stuckey wasn't even the first, second or third option on the floor when most of his teammates were healthy. What, should Stuckey get less touches than Chris Wilcox and Big Ben too? Where does he fall on the totem pole?

Or the bigs hang out at the three point line so that the bruiser point guards can post their men up in the paint. It is kind of backwards, but I think that is what the rule changes created. Then again, the celtics, the lakers, and the spurs all have guys who can score with the their back to the basket, and that's whose won championships lately. Their players can also hit shots from 20 feet away, and don't NEED to be posted on the block to be effective.

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Lakers - Gasol and Bynum, both a rare exceptions to the rule these days.

Bos - KG, c'mon, we all know he's the poster child for the face up big man, while he can score with his back to the basket, it's not his most favorite move.

I honestly have no response for people who think Stuckey is a "possession-swallowing FGA attempt machine".

Try watching the games for once. Stuckey wasn't even the first, second or third option on the floor when most of his teammates were healthy. What, should Stuckey get less touches than Chris Wilcox and Big Ben too? Where does he fall on the totem pole?

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I feel you. I think he's a very good basketball player. In hindsight, we never should have moved Billups and tinkered with the backcourt. A three guard rotation of Billups, Stuckey and Hamilton would have been a force to reckon with.

In terms of having bigger problems that our PG position, this stat would dispute that:

In terms of PER, here is how we rank by position: #1- SG with a PER of 16.9 #2- PF with a PER of 16.4 #3- C with a PER of 16.2 #4- SF with a PER of 15.3 #5- PG with a PER of 14.8

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Stuckey played 34% of the team's minutes at the two guard, 21% at the point and 6% at the small forward.

(Min represents the percentage of the team's total minutes the player was at that position)

Stuckey posted an 18.3 PER at the shooting guard spot, an 18.2 PER at the point and a 10.8 PER in his limited minutes at the small forward spot.

Safe to say that Stuckey wasn't the cause of the point guard spot being the worst on the team (PER wise)...? I think so. Stuckey didn't even play the majority of his minutes at the point. And if you're a huge PER believer (and I, for one, am NOT), Stuckey was quite productive at both guard spots. It's his minutes at small forward that drag his overall numbers down.

Stuckey played 34% of the team's minutes at the two guard, 21% at the point and 6% at the small forward.

(Min represents the percentage of the team's total minutes the player was at that position)

Stuckey posted an 18.3 PER at the shooting guard spot, an 18.2 PER at the point and a 10.8 PER in his limited minutes at the small forward spot.

Safe to say that Stuckey wasn't the cause of the point guard spot being the worst on the team (PER wise)...? I think so. Stuckey didn't even play the majority of his minutes at the point. And if you're a huge PER believer (and I, for one, am NOT), Stuckey was quite productive at both guard spots. It's his minutes at small forward that drag his overall numbers down.

Okay, I'm done being you for today. LOL

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I like it! Excellent points.

Atkins' 9.4 PER didn't help the position excel.

In terms of Stuckey, he did shoot at eFG of .439 at the SG position and .388 at the PG spot. This would indicate that he may have forced less shots when someone else got things moving.

Also of note, Stuckey's opponent at both the PG and SG spots were held to a lower PER than him while he was in the game... meaning that he was playing good man to man defense.

One strange thing I noticed is that Ben Wallace's counterpart did amazingly well against Ben. He did play all of his mintues at the C position where he is undersized... and he is only 6'6"ish going against 7 footers... but other indications say that he had a ridiculously good defensive year. Maybe most of his effect was on the help front.

I honestly have no response for people who think Stuckey is a "possession-swallowing FGA attempt machine".

Try watching the games for once. Stuckey wasn't even the first, second or third option on the floor when most of his teammates were healthy. What, should Stuckey get less touches than Chris Wilcox and Big Ben too? Where does he fall on the totem pole?

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It may sound weird, but I was trying to defend Stuckey with that post and the statistics that support it. Given his high USG and low FG%, he can be placed in the same company as such possession-swallowers as allen iverson, and brandon jennings. Many will argue that this is why he may never be a franchise point guard.

I am saying that while the stats do line up, it is possible Stuckey is only in this situation because of what we asked him to do. Many who complain should wait until the end of this season before deciding.

My bet is that at the end of the season we will see that he is not the monster that I portrayed, and that he will beat back the negativity that he has been receiving of late.

Why he is spending his summer boxing instead of shooting 3's is beyond me.