No, he meant Monaco 2005, when Schumacher made Barrichello avoid an accident when he wanted to take Rubens's 7th place (and squeezed his brother in an effort to take 6th). Which effectively meant that at Ferrari there is one set of rules for all drivers... except the appointed number 1. "After the final pitstops, you don't attack your teammate, except if..."

That's exactly what I meant, Fiki.

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No, he meant Monaco 2005, when Schumacher made Barrichello avoid an accident when he wanted to take Rubens's 7th place (and squeezed his brother in an effort to take 6th). Which effectively meant that at Ferrari there is one set of rules for all drivers... except the appointed number 1. "After the final pitstops, you don't attack your teammate, except if..."

Rubens was caught napping and got overtaken in the chicane. Then threw the toys out of the pram.

When did Ferrari have the final pit stop rule exactly?

Sure. Because "being caught napping" means not expecting a crazyass lunge down the inside from your team mate that you're only just able to avoid.

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Damon told Eddie that he would fight for the win regardless of the consequences. It wasn't a response to Eddie's instruction to let Ralf past. If that were the case, than I'd agree to call it a threat. But it wasn't.

And besides, the guy who was ahead and faster for the majority of the race got to stay ahead. Nothing like Zeltweg '02 or Monaco '05.

Yeah, there was no threat. Hill was just saying that he would fight Ralf for the win if they had to race, and in these conditions that would be suicidal.

Jordan had told Ralf that if Alesi became a serious threat then he would ask Damon to move across and let Ralf through.

But other than that there was absolutely nothing that could be gained and everything that could be lost by letting them race.

Even though Ralf had the pace, there was no guarantee he'd cleanly overtake Hill, especially in these conditions. He had a history of taking other drivers off, even in the dry.

And there were a couple of reasons for Hill's perceived lack of pace.

i) He drove the entire race on a dry setup (he had gone for this before the restart because he felt the track was drying and the weather was improving - as it happens the rain got worse.)

ii) After the race, the team discovered that, during Hill's middle stint, he had been driving with a cracked rim on his right rear wheel and that the tyre pressure was 14psi (rather than the normal 19psi). I have a vague recollection (but it is very vague) that Hill mentioned an incident while overtaking a Prost in that second stint.

+1, mate.

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No, he meant Monaco 2005, when Schumacher made Barrichello avoid an accident when he wanted to take Rubens's 7th place (and squeezed his brother in an effort to take 6th). Which effectively meant that at Ferrari there is one set of rules for all drivers... except the appointed number 1. "After the final pitstops, you don't attack your teammate, except if..."

Rubens was caught napping and got overtaken in the chicane. Then threw the toys out of the pram.

When did Ferrari have the final pit stop rule exactly?

Much as it pains me to admit, I agree with Fiki on this one.

At the time, I had mixed feelings about the chicane overtake. Whilst I had to laugh (as it was typical Schumi - never give up), I also knew it was unfair on Barri as the 'no overtaking after final pit stop' policy was well known.

I'm a huge Schumi fan, but understood Barri being v annoyed about this .

No, he meant Monaco 2005, when Schumacher made Barrichello avoid an accident when he wanted to take Rubens's 7th place (and squeezed his brother in an effort to take 6th). Which effectively meant that at Ferrari there is one set of rules for all drivers... except the appointed number 1. "After the final pitstops, you don't attack your teammate, except if..."

Rubens was caught napping and got overtaken in the chicane. Then threw the toys out of the pram.

When did Ferrari have the final pit stop rule exactly?

Are you telling me you weren't aware of it?

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No, he meant Monaco 2005, when Schumacher made Barrichello avoid an accident when he wanted to take Rubens's 7th place (and squeezed his brother in an effort to take 6th). Which effectively meant that at Ferrari there is one set of rules for all drivers... except the appointed number 1. "After the final pitstops, you don't attack your teammate, except if..."

Rubens was caught napping and got overtaken in the chicane. Then threw the toys out of the pram.

When did Ferrari have the final pit stop rule exactly?

Sure. Because "being caught napping" means not expecting a crazyass lunge down the inside from your team mate that you're only just able to avoid.

Andy, no need to be rude with the images. We can have a normal conversation even if we don't agree, ok?

No, he meant Monaco 2005, when Schumacher made Barrichello avoid an accident when he wanted to take Rubens's 7th place (and squeezed his brother in an effort to take 6th). Which effectively meant that at Ferrari there is one set of rules for all drivers... except the appointed number 1. "After the final pitstops, you don't attack your teammate, except if..."

Rubens was caught napping and got overtaken in the chicane. Then threw the toys out of the pram.

When did Ferrari have the final pit stop rule exactly?

Much as it pains me to admit, I agree with Fiki on this one.

At the time, I had mixed feelings about the chicane overtake. Whilst I had to laugh (as it was typical Schumi - never give up), I also knew it was unfair on Barri as the 'no overtaking after final pit stop' policy was well known.

I'm a huge Schumi fan, but understood Barri being v annoyed about this .

I honestly don't remember the final pit stop policy. If that's the case then I agree with you

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and also a mountain bike

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No, he meant Monaco 2005, when Schumacher made Barrichello avoid an accident when he wanted to take Rubens's 7th place (and squeezed his brother in an effort to take 6th). Which effectively meant that at Ferrari there is one set of rules for all drivers... except the appointed number 1. "After the final pitstops, you don't attack your teammate, except if..."

Rubens was caught napping and got overtaken in the chicane. Then threw the toys out of the pram.

When did Ferrari have the final pit stop rule exactly?

Sure. Because "being caught napping" means not expecting a crazyass lunge down the inside from your team mate that you're only just able to avoid.

Andy, no need to be rude with the images. We can have a normal conversation even if we don't agree, ok?

Does this look like a crazyass lunge? I beg to differ. You can hear a certain Brundle actually saying that Rubens was caught napping.

Also around the 54:20 mark you can see the move on Ralf. Michael went for the inside when he saw an opening, I don't consider this squeezing like Fiki suggests.

You're right, I apologize.

That's fine, I have my share of blame too, so likewise. We shouldn't get wound up for something like that.

The move on Ralf does indeed look less dramatic than I remembered. Have you been doctoring the footage Schumie?

Nah, I wouldn't go that far for an internet debate!

What I think happened is that as you can see from the footage there were 4 cars bunched up and Rubens didn't seem interested in making any moves. So my take is that Schumacher just made his mind, overtook Rubens and had a go on Ralf, who he almost overtook (I think originally they showed identical times, only to adjust them afterwards as Ralf was a fraction ahead). If he had overtook Ralf people may have been talking about the amazing two overtakes in the last lap of that race. Now if there were pit stop rules (I wasn't acting stupid, I genuingly don't know if Ferrari ever had the rule, slightly ashamed to admit it) then I agree he should have waited. On the other hand I can't falter his fighting spirit, for seeing an opportunity and going for it; this is what distinguishes some drivers from others, the killer instinct. It was this that made him so much better than most of his team mates. Not just plain speed, he wasn't always the fastest on track, including Rubens.

Trulli stuffing up on the final lap of the French GP 2004, gifting the final podium position to Barrichello in front of all Renault and Michelin's important corporate people. I'm not sure if the incident or Briatore's face was funnier.

Damon told Eddie that he would fight for the win regardless of the consequences. It wasn't a response to Eddie's instruction to let Ralf past. If that were the case, than I'd agree to call it a threat. But it wasn't.

And besides, the guy who was ahead and faster for the majority of the race got to stay ahead. Nothing like Zeltweg '02 or Monaco '05.

And it wasn't like Austria 2002, where Barrichello was actually faster. Schumi outqualified Barrichello in qualifying and he was faster throughout the race. Barrichello was ahead because Schumacher damaged his front wing in a ruckus at Mirabeau caused by a spinning backmarker. He went on to set the fastest lap of the race and after catching and passing Barrichello, was a few thousandths away from passing Ralf Schumacher on the line to take 6th. For some reason Barrichello thought they should hold position, and perhaps there was some sort of agreement (I have no idea), but this is Michael Schumacher we're talking about, he's there to race not sit around and drink herbal tea. Given that Barrichello was fairly slow in the race for most of it, I have no great sympathy.

Trulli stuffing up on the final lap of the French GP 2004, gifting the final podium position to Barrichello in front of all Renault and Michelin's important corporate people. I'm not sure if the incident or Briatore's face was funnier.

Jochen Mass and his part in Zolder accident in 1982 that killed Gilles Villeneuve. Although Wikipedia boldly and wrongly states "blameless part", even Mass himself has somewhat different view, and describes his part as "mitschuld", which is "co-responsibility". In fact, he moved to the side where Gilles was passing in a fatally late and irresponsible move, which gave Gilles no place and no time to react.

Every annual he has the same question by journalists about the accident. What a racing carrier, to be best known as someone who took a part in killing one of the most beloved drivers ever.