I heard a caller tell Rush Limbaugh that he was a Green Card holder and that when he received his card he also received a packet of information which contained instructions for him to have his Card with him at all times.

No, it is hate speech to accuse him of any similarities to policies instituted by the Nazis. But the media and White House are perfectly permitted to draw the same comparisons between Arizona law and Nazi policies.

You can't spell Nazi without AZ.

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posted on 04/28/2010 11:20:08 AM PDT
by a fool in paradise
(The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)

My husband used to have a green card. He was never instructed to carry it at all times. We did have to produce it for his employers. Of course, this was years ago, and now he’s naturalized...but once you’re naturalized, you have no “card” to prove legal status other than your naturalization certificate, which is big, bulky, and fragile (we safeguard his so it doesn’t get destroyed.)

If someone walked up to you right now and said “Prove your’e a citizen”...how would you do that? Do you carry papers on you that would prove you’re a citizen? I think a voter’s ID or birth certificate is the closest thing we have to that, but many people don’t carry those with them.

When I went to renew my driver’s license (which had not yet expired) I had to go in person because even though they had my social security number on file (required for all men to prove they are not deadbeat dads in Texas), they had to physically SEE my SS card AND I think they also needed more documentation (passport or birth certificate I think).

And our president doesn’t have to show squat.

Consider this when he speaks out against AZ and papers. Arizona also recently passed a law to require proper paperwork to get on the ballot in 2012.

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posted on 04/28/2010 11:23:06 AM PDT
by a fool in paradise
(The hysteria of Matthewsism and Andersonism has led to a Tea Party Scare that is unAmerican.)

When I travel abroad, something I do quite often, I am required to carry my passport. I do not have the same rights as the citizens of the country of which I am a guest. In many countries upon entering I must state where I will be staying, the purpose of my visit, when I will be leaving, how much cash I am traveling with and other inquiries that I may feel are intrusive.

I don’t carry mine, but if they are going to enforce this law, then they need to set down specific parameters as to what will “prove” legal status. I know people can be here legally, and still not have a social security card. My next door neighbor is German, he’s here legally, but doesn’t have a green card, or a SSnumber. So there is going to have to be some sort of specification as to what proves you’re legal and what doesn’t.

I didn't say it did. I carry a military ID which is accepted as proof of citizenship as does my wife (who is Hispanic). When we travel close to the border (north or south) we both carry passports (and a double barreled shotgun).

They just now started making strict rules in Florida...so no, I didn’t have to show my birth certificate when I got mine years and years ago. I haven’t shown up at a DMV for years either, I’ve renewed by mail. I did have to show proof of residency, but anyone could have that.

Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.

(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.

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posted on 04/28/2010 11:44:09 AM PDT
by rolling_stone
(no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)

so this new thing about stopping ans asking was already ahppening it is AZ who said they will enforce the law in their state and now the rats are saying it seems that they are for those who break the law

HEY GOP YOU HEAR THIS MAKE AN AD AND INFORM THE DEMOCRATS THAT THEIR PARTY STANDS FOR THOSE BREAKING THE LAW

Get the rats on record and make AD’s to show their voters and show how they are giving up America to intimidation, and thuggery

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posted on 04/28/2010 11:47:35 AM PDT
by manc
(WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)

As a point of factual accuracy, neither a DL nor a SS card reference anyone's citizenship status, or immigration status. Both can be, and frequently are, obtained absent citizenship. In some states, they may be obtained absent legalized residency

From my husband's green card in the 90s (which was really pink back then, not sure what color they are now). I remember when he got it I was surprised the word 'possession' was misspelled! Have to say as well, I sure don't remember him going on and on about having to carry this green card in his wallet reminded him of the Nazis forcing people to 'show their papers'! I DO remember how very proud he was that he had moved closer with this step to becoming an AMERICAN CITIZEN, and he proudly carried that pink card in his wallet (never would have touched the thing otherwise).

Green Card Holders do have to carry the green cards on them at all times, but they usually only show them to Immigration Officials & State Department.

The Difference in Ben’s scenario, he was doing something that caught the cops attention & driving is a privileged not a right.

But the Arizona law allows a cop to stop any person and demand proof of citizenship. A driver’s license isn’t proof of legality. A social security number isn’t proof of legality (and quite easy to forge). A birth certificate is easy to forge (to paraphrase a t-shirt “Sure Officer, all Maine Birth Certificates are written in crayon). To prove legality you would need to carry around a valid US Passport.

And here’s the thing, you might think you are “OK” but the cops are going to have to have the racial numbers balance out. They’ll be stopping more white people. And they’ll be taking in more white people who don’t have the appropriate ID.

This is an interesting question. The federal government opened the door to this with Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), where the Supremes held that, during the course of an investigation (which would include a routine traffic stop), the police where within their right to ask for ID from the person they’ve stopped. They can also detain such a person if no ID is provided, pursuant to making a positive ID.

(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section.
Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.

"In my state (IN) a birth certificate or passport in addition to an out of state license are required. I believe they will accept a green card, but note such on the license."

That's how it works in the two states I live, OH & FL (I think FL). But, from what I understand, there are several states that issue DLs to illegals.

Also, residency is not necessarily a requirement for obtaining a SS card. There are some situations where someone in the country illegally could be in legal possession of a SSN. I have been told that these cars look different than normal cards. But, I don't know independently, if this is accurate.

Those would do it, but as was mentioned in a previous post, a DL doesn’t prove anything (some states do not require birth certificats or proof of citizenship), and people aren’t encouraged to carry their SS card with them...we keep ours in a strong box. In fact the gov’t sites tell you not to carry your SS card with you. From the SS site in answer to the question is it legal to laminate my SS card:

No it is not illegal, but its best not to laminate your card. Laminated cards make it difficult, if not impossible, to detect important security features and an employer may refuse to accept it.

The Social Security Act requires the Commissioner of Social Security to issue cards that cannot be counterfeited. We incorporate many features that protect the cards integrity. That includes highly specialized paper and printing techniquessome visible to the naked eye and some not. Further, we continue to actively explore and adopt new technologies that hamper duplication.

Keep your Social Security card in a safe place with your other important papers. Do not carry it with you.

Yes he’s legal, and yes he has those documents, I’m sure, but he doesn’t carry them with him. And that’s my point, they’re going to have to lay down specifics as to what a person should carry with them in order to prove they’re legal. Say they have a NC driver’s license, well that proves nothing. In a previous link, I posted the requirements for a NC license and you don’t need a birth certificate. It’s just so ambiguous, the talk of “papers”...they’ll have to set down specifics.

Since the attacks on September 11, 2001, Virginia has really toughened up their license requirements. Now you are required to provide your long form birth certificate if you want a driver’s license. I believe existing license holders are grandfathered, but my wife, who moved here from Michigan had to provide her choice of a long form birth certificate or U.S. Passport.

Now Virginia has switched to these high-tech licenses. They are ugly but supposedly are more tamper proof with regard to faking.

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