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The trouble is power and attachments on a character that has become moribund will immediately become moribund as well. This is why there is no opportunity to use the VB's response, because by the time you get to Step 5 (responses) it is already moribund.

The bit I'm always confused is when the "After you lose a challenge" response is triggered. Challenge frameworks always elude me for some reason. Is it triggered after claim, and therefore you cannot bounce the dagger and then kill the guy it was on?

The bit I'm always confused is when the "After you lose a challenge" response is triggered. Challenge frameworks always elude me for some reason. Is it triggered after claim, and therefore you cannot bounce the dagger and then kill the guy it was on?

That's correct. The end of challenge steps are:

Claim

Renown

Deadly

Other Passives

Responses

As you can see, by the time you get to responses, you'll have to have paid the claim already. Since attachments go moribund passively when the card they attach to leaves play, your attachment would be moribund:discard if your character died to claim or deadly (or indeed another response like Danaerys Targaryen or No Quarter). Since we can't change the moribund destination of cards, you can't trigger its response to go to shadows.

Of course, you CAN choose the attached character for claim; you'll just have to discard the attachment too.

Since OKTarg brought up other responses, I have to mention this scenario: Assume u have VB attached to a character and you have lost a MIL challenge. You pick a different character to die and don't save them. They become moribund:dead pile. When the timing reaches Responses, the first player may choose to trigger a response first. IF you are first player, you can choose to trigger VB's ability to return to shadows first before your opponent has time to play No Quarter. You alternate triggering responses until both players pass.

Also note that Dany's kill ability says "no attachments" so she couldn't pick a character that has VB attached.

Careful when you say "power becomes moribund" because it does not. It is available for stealing by other card effects while the card it's on is moribund, but the power itself is not actually moribund like attachments would be. If it were, then card effects could not take that power.

Power simply gets discarded in step 6 once the card it's on leaves play.

The same applies to gold tokens on a moribund card. You can spend them and move them around using card effects while the card it's on is moribund, which would not be possible if the tokens themselves were already "on their way out".

Bah, I've officially hit the limit of things I can keep in my head for this game as i seem to be forgetting things I've already known - and likely explained to someone else already. Thanks for the clarification Bomb.