quote:Rogers Network Management PolicyApplicable to Rogers Hi-Speed Internet customers in Ontario, New Brunswick, and NewfoundlandEffective December 14, 2012 Rogers has completed our phase out of the management of peer-to-peer (P2P) traffic on our network.1. Why does Rogers manage traffic on its network?Rogers is committed to ensuring the best possible online experience for all our valued customers.2. How Does Rogers manage its network?Rogers uses a variety of network management techniques. These techniques have evolved as the Internet has changed. We continue to manage the network to limit spam, viruses and other security threats.

If you have Glasnost data showing that, you should be doing an ITMP complaint for non-compliance - Rogers's site is showing there's no throttle... I'd also love to see this, as Steve @ OpenMedia was asking me about this.--Battle.net Tech Support MVP]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27924021Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:00:04 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27917222
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said by funny0:

So I just got this message injected from Rogers tonight. [att=1] I currently have the higher upload speeds of 7 Mbps. Does this mean rogers will downgrade my upload speeds to 4 Mbps?

someone needs to sue rogers to stop managing of p2p file sharing protocols as they can be used legally and as the "Comes" case said its up to the user to visit an infringing link.OH and effectively all data being moved is technically a p2p system.

that in a nut shell says its not rogers duty to do this and if they can afford to give tons a people upgrades they didnt ask for how about giving full speeds across the board 1st and HONOR your contract.

this is why i will never ever go with any rogers service. You must've missed it, but they announced in March last year that they'd kill all throttling by end of year (last year) - this was to get out from under my CRTC complaint which resulted in the Enforcements Division going after Rogers over & over finding more & more non-compliance..

If they're still throttling, do some tests, and hand me the info.. I'll start up another complaint.--Battle.net Tech Support MVP]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27917049Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:38:32 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27914911
said by Aaerox:

So I just got this message injected from Rogers tonight. [att=1] I currently have the higher upload speeds of 7 Mbps. Does this mean rogers will downgrade my upload speeds to 4 Mbps?

someone needs to sue rogers to stop managing of p2p file sharing protocols as they can be used legally and as the "Comes" case said its up to the user to visit an infringing link.OH and effectively all data being moved is technically a p2p system.

that in a nut shell says its not rogers duty to do this and if they can afford to give tons a people upgrades they didnt ask for how about giving full speeds across the board 1st and HONOR your contract.

this is why i will never ever go with any rogers service.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27914911Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:42:17 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27758578
[att=1]

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I am in Scarborough, near McCowan and Steeles area.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27758392Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:18:19 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739969
One is the usual type, where there is 304mbps on the node and too many people are online and everyone gets slow speed.

The second kind of congestion is temporal. Meaning your modem is not online all the time. Its only online for a fraction of a second per second. And its in this fraction of a second that a modem can upload stuff. The more modems there are the smaller this fraction of second becomes; this is know as the time slot. This is what makes the upload to max of 10mbps because it takes a fraction of a second to upload 10mb vs 108mb will take 1 whole second with 4 channels. 10mb with 4 channel takes only a fraction of a second.

How it works is a node can only receive data from one modem at a time. Therefore the node listens to each modem for only a fraction of second and in that fraction of a second the modem can upload whatever it wants but since its only a fraction of a second its limited to 10mbps or whatever the time slot duration is based on the # of modems.

If the node only listened to just one modem then the modem can upload stuff for the full 1 second (so 108mbps) but since there a more than one modem, none of the modems gets 1 full second, they each get a fraction of a second to upload and this is repeated every second. This is pretty much a modem congestion, the more modems there are the smaller the time slot is for each modem and thus a lower upload speed per modem.

Think of it this way, you can only upload as much as the node is willing to listen to you. If the node wants to listen to you for 1 full second then its 108mbps. If the node wants to listen to your modem for 5/54 of a second then its 10mbps and the rest of the remaining bit of that second the node will listen to other modems. ]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739969Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:03:35 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739913
said by eeeaddict:

personally I think that unless the "more powerful" node isn't much cheaper they would be better off spending any upgrade money on ftth

Yea, you would have to know exactly how Rogers distributes the internet to determine exactly how many MAIN nodes would need to be upgraded to avoid smaller/neighborhood node congestion. It may be a far less expensive upgrade than than rewiring the whole network with fiber and see us well into the next generation of Docsis 3.1 and beyond..........Aint got a clue but I'm sure it's worth a consideration.

We have to get to a point where node congestion is no longer a factor..........]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739913Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:39:25 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739794
remember more than 50 down and 10 up is useless for most people, and upgrading cable to handle more than that for everyone would be adding more to everyones bill while only people like us would see any benefit.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739794Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:52:09 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739760
said by technocar2:

250/125 would be unrealistic if a node only has about 304/108 shared by 400-500 houses with possibly 50% or more subs with TPIA, which gives around 250+ modems and a ton of e-MTAs as well (RHP).

Thanks for the info. Don't get the node congestion thing though.

I think in terms of electricity. High voltage transformed down in steps to household current. Why can't Rogers just double/triple their output to each node so there's more than enough for each household to use at max speed simultaneously? OR, why can't they use bigger more powerful nodes?

As far as 250/125 goes I was just throwing it out there. Seems a waste to have a modem @300/150 theoretical topping out at 150/10...........]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739760Sun, 18 Nov 2012 18:37:51 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739651
said by eeeaddict:

Is it really that small? (304) If it is because of only 8 channels I thought they would have more than 8 available, also when SDV helps free things up what max speeds will there be then?

I pretty sure it 8 channels for now. But like you said they can free some channel and use them for docsis if they wanted to and increase the max speed. ]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739651Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:47:39 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739640
If it is because of only 8 channels I thought they would have more than 8 available, also when SDV helps free things up what max speeds will there be then?]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739640Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:40:58 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739617
Lets consider upload speed first.250+ modems have to share 108mbps as of now. Rogers used to sell at 7% of total node upload speed for the highest tier (which meant 2mbps because only 1 upload channel of 27mbps). Now with 108mbps (4 up channels) they have a ~10% rate, with means 10mbps for the highest tier. If rogers didn't maintain this rate YOU would be first person here to complain about "slow speed" and "degraded internet experience". Trust me its absolutely necessary to have this low rate because each modem gets a very very very small time slot to upload stuff to the node. If said modem wanted to upload at 108mbps that would take too much of the time slot hence other modems won't get upload time slots in a timely manner, then people would whine and complain of "slow speeds" and "super high latency". If there was only one modem on the node then and only then would 108mbps upload would be feasible because that one modem can have all time slots. As more modems and e-MTAs come online each modem's time slot gets smaller and smaller. Hence rogers has to maintain a 7-10% ratio. Until you learn how docsis works you will NEVER be able to appreciate what rogers is trying to accomplish here.

Now lets look at download speed.250+ modems have to share 304mbps. Let say I get that 250mpbs tier and I want to download at 250mbps and I fire up my torrent client and set up my connections to 1000 connection and I'm able to get 300 seeds and downloading at 250mbps for let say a 15GB distro on a private tracker. Everything is fine, in fact its sunny outside and its a Tuesday afternoon thus no other modem noticed that one modem hogged 82% of the node because hardly anyone was using their internet.

Now what happens if I did the same thing on Friday/Saturday/Sunday evening when everyone is using their internet. If one modem get 250mbps then the rest only get 54mbps, that won't happen because of QoS since my 250mbps will go down to 100-150mbps as 200mbps will be used by other modems. Thus rogers has to maintain 150mbps because anything higher will degrade performance for the higher tiers during peak time. It all comes down to, if I'm paying for 250mbps then I want 250mbps 24/7 but that can't happen but 150mbps can happen 24/7 more often then not. Thus 150mbps it is!

Again, until you learn how all this works you will never appreciate docsis for what its worth. ]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27739617Sun, 18 Nov 2012 17:34:20 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27738722
said by Ree:

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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27732260Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:02:19 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27732696
For those who went from 32/7 to 45/7, what is your current cap? 150gb? 170gb?

I contacted Rogers through live chat a few days ago and asked why am I on 45/4 and not 45/7 like others and they said its a whole new package for $5 more and extra 20gb.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27732696Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:51:02 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27732287
said by elitefx:

said by BarrieAnon :

Just restarted the modem and got the new speeds in Barrie.

Thanks. Rebooting just got me the new speeds in London. Same here in Kitchener tonight (extreme plus):[att=1]

Thanks. Rebooting just got me the new speeds in London.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27732245Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:20:20 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27732197
said by fspilot:

I'm on Extreme Plus with the 32Mbps download and 7Mbps upload speeds. I called Rogers to see if my upload speeds would be lowered to 4Mbps with the new 45Mbps download speed on Dec 1st. The CSR indicated to me that my speeds won't be changing to the new download/upload speeds. I will be keeping the current speeds as a 'grandfathered' package. If I want to take advantage of the new 45Mbps download speeds I would be then lowered to the 4Mbps upload speed.

Or not... Called tonight, and asked about the "HU" code, and was told it was available where I'm moving, and that I can get the boost from 4mbps to 7mbps if I asked for it, for free. Definitely not being grandfathered.--Battle.net Tech Support MVP]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27732197Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:02:27 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27732064
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27729992Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:58:43 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27725387
[att=1]

They've also listed a new tier: "Ultimate Fibre". 250Mbps symmetrical, with a 500GB cap.

When you click it they make you fill out a ridiculous CAPTCHA. Rogers fiber is years behind Shaw and 4x slower (Shaw is doing 1/1Gbps), not available where I live in downtown Toronto (what else is new?), cap is too low and they made no pricing info available. Even if it was available, what's with the 500GB cap? Pass.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27706169Thu, 08 Nov 2012 05:51:04 EDTRe: [Extreme Plus] New Speeds Effective December 1sthttp://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27706161
said by kerron :

I really don't get the point of increasing speeds if you don't increase caps...probably should move to bell, better download speeds, way better upload speeds, no p2p throttling, and bigger caps. All for 10 bucks more =/

I received a similar message this morning for my Extreme speed-boost. I was surprised to see this injected message as I do not use the Rogers DNS servers. :uhh:

That is interesting, isn't it? I use a DNS service for my MLBTV, HuluPlus and Netflix without issue, yet I still seem to be calling home to crappy Rogers. Injecting content into your HTTP sessions has nothing to do with DNS. Switching DNS providers only prevents them from sending you to that (completely useless) search result page when you request an invalid domain name.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Extreme-Plus-New-Speeds-Effective-December-1st-27691849Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:00:15 EDT