Why I'm NOT buying snow leopard

because i cannot do a clean slate reinstall on a blank drive. Simple as that. Apple, if you let me do this on a leopard upgrade disk then id buy it, because you have denied me this then its off to the torrents for me. Seeing as GM is 10a432 then might as well get it early too.

And you're basing this information off of what? Everybody on the forums has only been speculating, NOTHING more. None of us has an upgrade disc yet, so we don't know what will or will not be possible with it.

And even if you're right and the upgrade version doesn't allow erase and install, that doesn't justify not paying for it. The justification is that you didn't get what you paid for. But when you don't pay for it at all, you're not entitled to it at all. At the very least, pay your $30 and download the full version.

I'm reading mixed things about what the upgrade disc does and doesn't need. Some people saying you CAN clean install with it.

Personally I'd say if you buy the upgrade, but torrent the full 10A432, it doesn't really matter...though I'm sure others will disagree.

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As edesignuk said, i too have read some mixed stuff, maybe too much but it does appear to point to clean install, archive and install or upgrade, should be the same as 10.5 was,
but there is too much conflicting info out there 99% of it is pure speculation,
but as devburke said that doesn't justify not paying for it, whats £25 ($30 ish).......go buy it you will feel much better as a person.

The justification is that you didn't get what you paid for. But when you don't pay for it at all, you're not entitled to it at all. At the very least, pay your $30 and download the full version.

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It seems that people will try and justify just about anything. Seriously though, the fact that you cannot (even though we dont even know if you can or cant) do a clean install does not justify pirating. Probably the most faulty logic I have seen in a while...

because i cannot do a clean slate reinstall on a blank drive. Simple as that. Apple, if you let me do this on a leopard upgrade disk then id buy it, because you have denied me this then its off to the torrents for me. Seeing as GM is 10a432 then might as well get it early too.

anyone in the same boat here?

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I want proof of that. Do you have an actual upgrade disk and video to support? Currently, no one knows if we can or cannot install SL using the upgrade disk on a blank drive. But, if you took a few seconds and thought about it, Apple only let you buy the upgrade disk IF your computer have Leopard pre-installed before purchase. So I doubt Apple will put in an unnecessary restriction, but WE DON'T KNOW. So think before you act.

I find it difficult to believe that Apple will not offer at least an archive and install.

I have NEVER done a clean install of any of the new OS's since the archive and install changes the name of the old OS folder and creates a new one, essentially doing a clean install of the OS without harming your data or applications.

Do whatever you want to do, but I have full confidence that Apple will offer options on the upgrade. Anyway, why post your speculation as fact? It is only 2 days away, so wait for others to report what options Apple offers before making your claim.

I find it difficult to believe that Apple will not offer at least an archive and install.

I have NEVER done a clean install of any of the new OS's since the archive and install changes the name of the old OS folder and creates a new one, essentially doing a clean install of the OS without harming your data or applications.

Do whatever you want to do, but I have full confidence that Apple will offer options on the upgrade. Anyway, why post your speculation as fact? It is only 2 days away, so wait for others to report what options Apple offers before making your claim.

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They do offer Archive and Install. In fact, it's the default option now. There is no more of the "in-place" upgrades they've done before. It now removes Leopard, installs Snow Leopard, and ignores all of your user files and third-party apps (provided they don't install at the System level) so that you don't have to set anything up again. That's what I'm going to do. It's what I've always done. I've never had a problem with upgrading via an Archive and Install since 10.2 (I didn't have 10.0, so no upgrade process to 10.1).

They do offer Archive and Install. In fact, it's the default option now.

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Good to know, Captain Tightpants - LOL!

I wasn't aware that it was the default option as I always use A&I anyway. In fact, I always thought it was odd that it WASN'T the default option in other upgrades. It just seems to make the most sense to have the option to revert to the previous OS without any major effort if the upgrade install breaks some of your essential apps.

Thanks for the info. No reason not to at least try the upgrade on launch date.

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