...I am getting certified as a personal trainer at ECITS organization. One of the guys that is teaching the class is a highly acclaimed personal trainer got certificates from ACSM and others...
today, he was talking about static stretching... and he stated THAT it is dangerous EVEN in between sets... claims that it only adds to the trauma of the worked muscle, tearing it up... i was stunned and speechless... i told him how it adds to the fullness of the muscle, and helps recovery and all... he was just shaking his head... do not flame me, it's just an opinion of a guy who trains the navy, pro football, basketball, baseball teams... comp. fitness figure women

some ppl just dont believe in it...i didnt at first...but after i actually tried it consistently i really like it...but if someone is uneducated then they might take it to far and injure themselves...but that can happen with anything...just my opinion

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He was completely against all stretching? I am not big on stretching a body part until it is already finished being worked out and that works awesome for me. I do agree with him that you are just adding to the trauma by stretching a body part in the middle of working it out. There are exceptions though. That is just my opinion though.

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Context, context, context. To completely statisfy a good argument, we need more substance to work with. Generalizations are killers. i.e. stretching a cold muscle. (btw, is actually a good method of stretching if applied correctly)

Perhaps he was referring to an already injured muscle --I can imagine how excessive static stretching could exacerbate a problem.

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scientifiically proven, no....anedoctally yes. Whenever I train DC style I notice hypertrophy in certain areas where I feel the "stretch" when doing the weighted stretches. Quads, chest, and biceps particularly. I know im not alone in this area.

There are a bunch of studies that have come out recently that have said static stretching a muscle group immediately before weightlifting can increase the risk of injury, i guess he could be referring to one of these. I even saw an article written by Charles Poliquin that said the same thing. The problem with a lot of these studies is that they have conflicting results. Lets not forget about all the studies that talk about protein consumption and how almost every one says high protein diets are useless and you can only take in something like .8g/ lb bodyweight.

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There are a bunch of studies that have come out recently that have said static stretching a muscle group immediately before weightlifting can increase the risk of injury, i guess he could be referring to one of these. I even saw an article written by Charles Poliquin that said the same thing. The problem with a lot of these studies is that they have conflicting results. Lets not forget about all the studies that talk about protein consumption and how almost every one says high protein diets are useless and you can only take in something like .8g/ lb bodyweight.

actually, i asked HIM and other guy who is there for re-cert. (competitive PL and BBer) and i asked him " do you tell your clients to stretch the bodypart they were workin on after they are done?" he said "NO"...

-homonunculus- ill ask him for the scientific data on which he bases his statement.

I stretch a little bit before every workout. I haven't ever had any substantial injuries. I think that the key is to not overdo anything. If you take anything to extremes you could end up hurt pretty bad. I guess that I just considered stretching part of warming up. I don't do the fascia stretching before working out, but I always do some light stretching to make sure that everything is in working order before I put my muscles against the weights.

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Out of interest, from our point of view, what is the harm in extra trauma and tering on the muscle seen as we effectively utilise this high intensity method and short workouts with lots of food to grow???

everyone is entitled to their opinion. Maybe there is some science to what he has to say......but results are results....and for bodybuilders, weighted fascia stretching has proven to work.

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scientifiically proven, no....anedoctally yes. Whenever I train DC style I notice hypertrophy in certain areas where I feel the "stretch" when doing the weighted stretches. Quads, chest, and biceps particularly. I know im not alone in this area.

I'm not going to say that I disagree with you, but I feel like playing the Devil's advocate...

It would make sense that a hypertrophying area would be most felt during the stretch. This does not necessarily mean that the stretch is causing the hypertrophy... (Again, I'm just being an asshole here... LOL)

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There are a bunch of studies that have come out recently that have said static stretching a muscle group immediately before weightlifting can increase the risk of injury, i guess he could be referring to one of these. I even saw an article written by Charles Poliquin that said the same thing. The problem with a lot of these studies is that they have conflicting results. Lets not forget about all the studies that talk about protein consumption and how almost every one says high protein diets are useless and you can only take in something like .8g/ lb bodyweight.

Please, post some links or somethin', man. An abstract, a URL, a quote - somethin'...

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Lets not forget about all the studies that talk about protein consumption and how almost every one says high protein diets are useless and you can only take in something like .8g/ lb bodyweight.

If you read the literature (e.g. Peter Lemon or Mark Tarnopolsky's work), you'll see that the scientists are not saying this...

(Ahhh, I feel better now... LOL)

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