One: anti-capitalists need to understand a LOT more than they do about the massive and obvious failure state of anti-capitalism, the Soviet Union. I mean it's right there and yet so many anticaps keep just ignoring it like it won't happen a second time if we do the same things.

Two: some of the worst fails in the USSR came from drawing too many 'best practices' from the capitalists. Taylorist 'scientific management', for instance.

@mala Three: The USSR and Nazi Germany / Italian Fascism aren't opposite poles on a line. They're two out of a whole cluster of failure states in the 20th and 21st centuries and share much more in common than either liked to think.

it's not enough to be against fascism, in other words, if you're still hero-worshipping a bunch of dead German and Russian guys who built a 'utopian society' that ended up looking remarkably like their worst enemy.

@mala Five: A complete breakdown of social order (civil war, anarchy, economic crash) with random failures and smashups is as bad or worse as having some big super-focused guy organising face-stomping parades with mechanical precision.

There's a reason people run away from warzones and don't go 'yay, finally the end of all those annoying social rules, a man and his AK-47 can at last roam free!!'

@mala ultimately, the evolution of Capitalism into a system that distributes wealth effectively is the only way to prevent periodical revolution/appalling human rights violation as standard, etc, etc. James asked me a sad question last night. If humans know everything is being destroyed, why don't we just stop it?

@mala Healthcare fails millions of Americans per year with 'running' hospitals... but we all should all sit on our hands to forstall loss of access for those by circumstance or privilege that have access?

The persistance 'as is' of these types of ursurious institutions is the definition of status quo. These intititions also have existential impetus to withold services for regressive political reasons. I persoanlly hope doctors side with the people, but... 1/2

To wit: an aim to simply "own the means of production" is aiming too low if you can still be held hostage by being denied access to the infrastructure you need to survive (food, water, medicine, housing).

An interesting line of thought from a few years back. An intellectual ancestor of #solarpunk?