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Re: Suggs?

Lots of NFL'ers using HGH i am sure and I have no problem with it. Why does anybody?

OK, so now we're down to just the body comp, since your other "facts" didn't really bear out, eh?

Suggs was always in good shape in his early years. He showed up in 2008 totally out of shape because he sat out all OTAs and most of TC because of the franchise tag. He partially did the same in 2009 until he signed his deal in July. He then, as NC said, got banged up in TC, so he wasn't in great shape then either and he later missed 3 games in the middle of the season (but, wait, that must have been due to HGH!)

Now, he looks like he did earlier in his career.

But, to humor your opinion, I have to ask, since your original (incorrect) premise was that he used HGH because of his pending contract situation, why then did he start after he got the fat contract?

And, if he was apparently inclined to use HGH, why didn't he use it during his contract drive - as you said - or even earlier in his career?

Re: Suggs?

Originally Posted by B-more Ravor

OK, so now we're down to just the body comp, since your other "facts" didn't really bear out, eh?

Suggs was always in good shape in his early years. He showed up in 2008 totally out of shape because he sat out all OTAs and most of TC because of the franchise tag. He partially did the same in 2009 until he signed his deal in July. He then, as NC said, got banged up in TC, so he wasn't in great shape then either and he later missed 3 games in the middle of the season (but, wait, that must have been due to HGH!)

Now, he looks like he did earlier in his career.

But, to humor your opinion, I have to ask, since your original (incorrect) premise was that he used HGH because of his pending contract situation, why then did he start after he got the fat contract?

And, if he was apparently inclined to use HGH, why didn't he use it during his contract drive - as you said - or even earlier in his career?

Hmmm, started his career on fire.

Band his numbers drop....

Bang all of the sudden he is ripped to shreds and is tearing it up....

Bang, starts tearing tendons like they are paper. Hell, he didn't even last a quarter of the season before he tears another tendon.

Yep, there is no circumstantial evidence he was using a substance the NFLPA refuses to test for and is known for causing tendon problems because it DOESN'T grow or help tendons recover, just muscles and organs.

Re: Suggs?

Bang all of the sudden he is ripped to shreds and is tearing it up....

Bang, starts tearing tendons like they are paper. Hell, he didn't even last a quarter of the season before he tears another tendon.

Yep, there is no circumstantial evidence he was using a substance the NFLPA refuses to test for and is known for causing tendon problems because it DOESN'T grow or help tendons recover, just muscles and organs.

Nope, nothing here to see at all.

Get a clue what HGH does versus Steroids before you even imply someone is suffering from the results of illegal drug use. Ruins your whole argument when you don't even know what HGH does.

I'll tell you that I partially tore my hamstring 5 weeks into a cycle. I was running again in 3 weeks. Juice does wonders for injuries.

And doesn't do wonders for the ole testicles.

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LOL, yeah HGH is good for you :thumbs up: and no one in the NFL ever takes it. Thanks for setting me straight.

Thats not what he meant. You might want to do some research.

Pro sports didn't ban hGH because it's bad for you. They did so because of the competitive advantage it gives an athlete.

There are numerous study's suggesting the benefits far out weigh the side effects when taken in moderation.

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Its certainly reasonable to feel Suggs is not taking hGH. However, I think it's naive to think all the Ravens players are not taking hGH.

It's far more prevalent then some realize and completely not tested for.

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Bang all of the sudden he is ripped to shreds and is tearing it up....

Bang, starts tearing tendons like they are paper. Hell, he didn't even last a quarter of the season before he tears another tendon.

Yep, there is no circumstantial evidence he was using a substance the NFLPA refuses to test for and is known for causing tendon problems because it DOESN'T grow or help tendons recover, just muscles and organs.

Nope, nothing here to see at all.

LOL, talk about continuing to move the goal posts.

First, it's HGH because he's in a contract push.

Then, when your dates don't work, it's about some alleged change in his body.

Then, when the context of being tagged and the reasons for being out of shape are presented, it's on to "his numbers" dropped, even though his play was still at a high level. Yes, his sack numbers dropped, but he had become a complete player and made his 1st 2 Pro Bowls in 2006 and 2008.

Sorry, but the only year you could say that his play declined would be 2009 - after he got his contract - when he was banged up for much of the year.