I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point...

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

The lyrics to the song.
Live for yourself there's no one else more worth living for etc etc...

I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point...

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

The lyrics to the song.
Live for yourself there's no one else more worth living for etc etc...

Begging hands and bleeding hearts and the TRF will only cry out for more. (Ouch!)

Dang that's a mouthful to sing in the rocking style they were doing back then...

I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

That might be your pov but I'm not sure what theirs are. They backed him during his tragedies and he came back (even though his books make it pretty clear he didn't really want to) and supported their dream of going almost another 15 years. We know how he views these things: he will accept our money and in return provide us with his best writing and recording or performing efforts and the transaction is over. He definitely doesn't think he owes us a thing. Geddy and al, I couldn't say and I won't guess.

I think this is the perfect time for them to stop touring. Too many mistakes during this last tour and no one wants to see them go downhill.

I dunno, it seemed like it was mainly just Alex making mistakes and that was mostly during the early shows. I think he wasn't as well rehearsed in the beginning (compared to previous tours), but he cleaned it up nicely near the end and came around to sounding like his usual self. Neil goofed a couple times, most noticeably the Virginia show right before the break. And the first night of Toronto looked bad, but I think that was at least partly nerves due to hometown filming.

You also have to remember that this was the first tour where we were able to hear (and watch) them play virtually every night. So we got good at catching those mistakes in real time. They probably made their share of them over the course of other tours as well; we just weren't able to listen in on every show then.

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Posted 15 October 2015 - 11:49 PM

Narps, on 15 October 2015 - 08:41 PM, said:

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Ancient Ways, on 15 October 2015 - 05:34 PM, said:

I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

Anthem of the heart and anthem of the mind...

On point...

I'm missing the "point." Would you explain it to me please?

The lyrics to the song.
Live for yourself there's no one else more worth living for etc etc...

Begging hands and bleeding hearts and the TRF will only cry out for more. (Ouch!)

Dang that's a mouthful to sing in the rocking style they were doing back then...

I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

In no way whatsoever is he "screwing over" anyone. Geddy has stated very clearly that there will be no "bad guy" when it comes to ending the band. All three of them recognize each other's right to unconditionally call it quits.

The only thing screwed is your interpretation of the band's current status.

I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

As much as I love this band and seeing them live, I completely agree and I would do the same thing if I were Neil.
Now do I hope they do more live shows of course I do, but I don't begrudge them any happiness and choices they make to have the kind of life they want and enjoy.

I know this is a pipe dream, but now I legitimately hope it happens. I hope Geddy and Alex start a Rush tribute act without Neil and leave Neil behind to do whatever his heart desires not-Rush related.

I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

In no way whatsoever is he "screwing over" anyone. Geddy has stated very clearly that there will be no "bad guy" when it comes to ending the band. All three of them recognize each other's right to unconditionally call it quits.

The only thing screwed is your interpretation of the band's current status.

Yep. And there's the nagging reality.... none of the members of the band owe the fans a thing. When you buy an album, you are purchasing the album and the ability to listen to those songs whenever you want. When you buy a concert ticket, you are purchasing a seat at an entertainment venue. When you buy a t-shirt, you are buying an article of clothing. When you buy a bobble head, bar stool, or pair of Starman panties, you probably have a problem (!), but you are also buying just those items. At no point has any of us ever purchased a relationship with these guys.

I would agree an argument can be made for the guys, or any celebrity, at least showing a level of appreciation for their fans, but the fact of the matter is Rush, Neil included, have done that. They constantly acknowledge their fans. They listened to fans for years when building set lists. And, yes, Neil even went on one last tour, even though it was pretty obvious he had reservations about doing it. He could have just as easily told the guys he wasn't going to do it and called it a career after the CA tour. But he didn't. Howzabout a little appreciation for the guy giving the fans one more tour.... and a wonderfully done tour at that. They went out magnificently.

I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

In no way whatsoever is he "screwing over" anyone. Geddy has stated very clearly that there will be no "bad guy" when it comes to ending the band. All three of them recognize each other's right to unconditionally call it quits.

The only thing screwed is your interpretation of the band's current status.

Yep. And there's the nagging reality.... none of the members of the band owe the fans a thing. When you buy an album, you are purchasing the album and the ability to listen to those songs whenever you want. When you buy a concert ticket, you are purchasing a seat at an entertainment venue. When you buy a t-shirt, you are buying an article of clothing. When you buy a bobble head, bar stool, or pair of Starman panties, you probably have a problem (!), but you are also buying just those items. At no point has any of us ever purchased a relationship with these guys.

I would agree an argument can be made for the guys, or any celebrity, at least showing a level of appreciation for their fans, but the fact of the matter is Rush, Neil included, have done that. They constantly acknowledge their fans. They listened to fans for years when building set lists. And, yes, Neil even went on one last tour, even though it was pretty obvious he had reservations about doing it. He could have just as easily told the guys he wasn't going to do it and called it a career after the CA tour. But he didn't. Howzabout a little appreciation for the guy giving the fans one more tour.... and a wonderfully done tour at that. They went out magnificently.

Indeed and my Starman panties are my own problem business thank you very much...

I don't blame Neil at all. I would love to see them again but if I was in his place I wouldn't want to do it either. He has to feel a great deal of guilt over all the things he missed when he was touring while his first daughter was growing up. He's already older and not guaranteed to see this daughter grow up completely. He has money and a great legacy and went out with a great album and tour.

But should screwing over his two best friends and millions of Rush fans be part of the deal?

In no way whatsoever is he "screwing over" anyone. Geddy has stated very clearly that there will be no "bad guy" when it comes to ending the band. All three of them recognize each other's right to unconditionally call it quits.

The only thing screwed is your interpretation of the band's current status.

Yep. And there's the nagging reality.... none of the members of the band owe the fans a thing. When you buy an album, you are purchasing the album and the ability to listen to those songs whenever you want. When you buy a concert ticket, you are purchasing a seat at an entertainment venue. When you buy a t-shirt, you are buying an article of clothing. When you buy a bobble head, bar stool, or pair of Starman panties, you probably have a problem (!), but you are also buying just those items. At no point has any of us ever purchased a relationship with these guys.

I would agree an argument can be made for the guys, or any celebrity, at least showing a level of appreciation for their fans, but the fact of the matter is Rush, Neil included, have done that. They constantly acknowledge their fans. They listened to fans for years when building set lists. And, yes, Neil even went on one last tour, even though it was pretty obvious he had reservations about doing it. He could have just as easily told the guys he wasn't going to do it and called it a career after the CA tour. But he didn't. Howzabout a little appreciation for the guy giving the fans one more tour.... and a wonderfully done tour at that. They went out magnificently.

I would agree an argument can be made for the guys, or any celebrity, at least showing a level of appreciation for their fans, but the fact of the matter is Rush, Neil included, have done that. They constantly acknowledge their fans.

Neil's message to his fans has been very clear. Sincere appreciation for the support and the applause, and a big "No, thank you!" for the worship.

I would agree an argument can be made for the guys, or any celebrity, at least showing a level of appreciation for their fans, but the fact of the matter is Rush, Neil included, have done that. They constantly acknowledge their fans.

Neil's message to his fans has been very clear. Sincere appreciation for the support and the applause, and a big "No, thank you!" for the worship.

I agree. Neil has never wanted anything but to be good at what he does. He appreciates the money and the accolades but doesn't like the trappings of fame. He just wants to be a normal guy that plays the drums. He's said as much over the years in interviews and his books. He's put in his time at his "job" and now wants to retire. People shouldn't get mad at him for that, but should appreciate all of the great music we got from him over the years.

I got to be at 4 shows this year, so I'm obviously grateful and satisfied for myself. I do feel for the fans outside of North America though who kinda got screwed. True that Neil and the other guys OWE us nothing more. But it would've been a nice gesture on his part to agree to a short second leg next year to say goodbye to at least the European fans who have supported the band for so long. I'm ok with never seeing the band again here in the states and I realize they're too old at this point to tour the entire planet. It just feels like as a farewell, it's ending in sort of an awkward incomplete fashion. And it sounds like Geddy feels the same way without directly saying it.