Even the good Lfr raiders who don't have the time for scheduled raiding will leave once they realize they can PUG easy and have some more fun.

Or they will leave when they realize there's little point gearing up in the last tier of an expansion.

I do think this tier has the potential to turn out utterly disastrously, more so than Q2 2012 did for DS.

"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
"Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must first be overcome." -- Samuel Johnson

Ignorance of what ? It like showing the moon and you just look my finger. I don't care about 10 man crap and flex and lfr, all of these are the BAD decisions of incompetent arse.

10 man, Flex and LFR were all good things for the game

Originally Posted by Paraclef

Part of the game I enjoyed was back, in Vanilla, Aldrassil, casting my first Wrath then spending a whole week in Teldrassil for pleasure. Nowadays, you can level 60 in 2 days easily and you won't even remembered your first step in.

Ah nostalgia, You enjoyed the long grind in leveling. Most do not.

Originally Posted by Paraclef

I would prefer different servers for differents gamers, like HM servers, normal mode servers and beginners. Two servers migrations at 0 $ per year.

Would cost to much for blizzard to maintain and not be worth it. Really if people want some hard core game maybe they should just realize wow moved on and they should do the same

Originally Posted by Paraclef

The best ressource is what you call "" Elitists "" players, without serious gamers the game would be a F2P quality and even look at the PvP state... worst ever and ever....

Bullshit. They tested bosses with out the ptr before. They have their own in house team for testing. PVp is in a shit state because blizzard nerfs one class in to the group than makes it op later, Also they seem to have no clue how to balance or fix pvp. In fact every season is "the worst ever". The Hardcore raiders are a very small minority.

Originally Posted by Paraclef

And ressources for what... to delete all the 5 man elite quest, to delete all the epicness of Dungeons, to delete all the 25 mans guild leading to dead servers ?

5 man elite quest were retarded for leveling. You had to skip it or find a level caped person to help you, They tried to make Dungeons epic again in Cata and we all know how that went, 25 man guild have been a dying breed on most servers since its easier to get 10 people who know what they are doing to show up.

Originally Posted by Paraclef

A SERVER IS DEAD WHEN there is no 25 man guild.... so your " A lot of ressources " is pretty DUMB ( insert rage and infracted leading to a BAN here ) !!

Servers being dead are because of too many servers and transfers but that is going to be addressed with connected realms.

Originally Posted by Paraclef

You for sure have never looked a PTR forum.... It is what Devs are, a whole fucking MESS. You don't know anything about WoW and the design issues.

And you know so much about wow design? I looked at the PTR and been on the PTR. The best part is when reported bugs are ignored and not fixed than pushed to live

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Originally Posted by Quilm

No it doesn't take 25 people to kill a boss in Lfr, it takes 25 people to get in with less then half carrying the group. GL not getting 5+ stacks of determination without normal and HC players bringing in their mains and alts cause its all going to flex now that legendary is not tied to farming the raid. Even the good Lfr raiders who don't have the time for scheduled raiding will leave once they realize they can PUG easy and have some more fun. PUGs are a lost art on most servers and flex will bring it back

The point was it takes effort to kill the boss. I do not think flex will kill lfr. The reason puging died was because people want you to have the Achievement and out gear it

Or they will leave when they realize there's little point gearing up in the last tier of an expansion.

I do think this tier has the potential to turn out utterly disastrously, more so than Q2 2012 did for DS.

Ye that's true but I certainly hope it doesn't turn into the DS gong show part 2, if they try to ride this for a full year with a minor content patch they will be in trouble and will hurt the servers a lot. I mean raiding isn't gonna keep the attention span of the subs unless flex turns out to be a big hit

Would cost to much for blizzard to maintain and not be worth it. Really if people want some hard core game maybe they should just realize wow moved on and they should do the same

Bullshit. They tested bosses with out the ptr before. They have their own in house team for testing. PVp is in a shit state because blizzard nerfs one class in to the group than makes it op later, Also they seem to have no clue how to balance or fix pvp. In fact every season is "the worst ever". The Hardcore raiders are a very small minority.

5 man elite quest were retarded for leveling. You had to skip it or find a level caped person to help you, They tried to make Dungeons epic again in Cata and we all know how that went, 25 man guild have been a dying breed on most servers since its easier to get 10 people who know what they are doing to show up.

Servers being dead are because of too many servers and transfers but that is going to be addressed with connected realms.

And you know so much about wow design? I looked at the PTR and been on the PTR. The best part is when reported bugs are ignored and not fixed than pushed to live

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The point was it takes effort to kill the boss. I do not think flex will kill lfr. The reason puging died was because people want you to have the Achievement and out gear it

You're totally out of touch dude... if you played at all the old wow (or even researched a bit), their internal testing was always terrible. Not because "they need players to test some rare gimmicks", but because they just suck at it. Raids had so many bugs at release that... omg.

Ra-Den is there just to prove it. The fight just ended up being a total lol because they only tested it internally. All fights that they do this come out with some bugs that you just wonder "dude, do you even test?".

Yeah how is it? I'm thinking about playing it myself. Content there is not gated...

I was planning to download it and play it this weekend, but they've suspended downloads temporarily due to server capacity issues. Shades of vanilla WoW.

At least it's sounding popular.

"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
"Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must first be overcome." -- Samuel Johnson

Would cost to much for blizzard to maintain and not be worth it. Really if people want some hard core game maybe they should just realize wow moved on and they should do the same

Bullshit. They tested bosses with out the ptr before. They have their own in house team for testing. PVp is in a shit state because blizzard nerfs one class in to the group than makes it op later, Also they seem to have no clue how to balance or fix pvp. In fact every season is "the worst ever". The Hardcore raiders are a very small minority.

5 man elite quest were retarded for leveling. You had to skip it or find a level caped person to help you, They tried to make Dungeons epic again in Cata and we all know how that went, 25 man guild have been a dying breed on most servers since its easier to get 10 people who know what they are doing to show up.

Servers being dead are because of too many servers and transfers but that is going to be addressed with connected realms.

And you know so much about wow design? I looked at the PTR and been on the PTR. The best part is when reported bugs are ignored and not fixed than pushed to live

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The point was it takes effort to kill the boss. I do not think flex will kill lfr. The reason puging died was because people want you to have the Achievement and out gear it

Ever notice how the 1% have the biggest impact on the world and how Gamescon and Blizzcon highlight good players? Starcraft,Wow and so on, why don't they highlight a pug of baddies if they are so important? Why aren't the casual fan highlighted at any event?

Connecting servers will mean nothing if the other server joining is also full of bad player's unwilling to xsfer to a good raiding server in the first place. You talk about Hardcore being the minority yet they add Flex meaning they don't have to nerf Normal Or heroic because people always have flex/lfr to fall back on. In fact GC tweeted back to a person who said Normals are too hard with the reply that Flex is probably for you then. So why add Flex if they dont care about hardcore players? Why not just nerf Normals? I could go on and on about Blizzard and how they treat some of us very well because they know they wont have to nerf content just because it may be difficult or that we wont whine and cry over hard content.

Pvp had and still has low participation which is why they added the free resilence hoping to get more players into Pvp. If you ever read tweets or blue posts you can see the real answer and not the things you choose to make up. Pvp is second to Wow, the PVE game.

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Originally Posted by Tython

Yeah how is it? I'm thinking about playing it myself. Content there is not gated...

If you like very slow play and story then it is ok. I have had the beta for about a month and it was ok but a long story line that made the game too slow for me.

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Originally Posted by Biotics83

thats the draw back from not putting in the time that others do sorry.

You don't play basketball once a week with friends and wonder why you're not in the NBA do you?

Actually i see a lot of posts that would actually expect this because of their $3.75 a week, they act as if they invest millions of dollars lol.

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Originally Posted by Robert3620

Hey donn't take my word for it,Blizzard has said it themselves several times. Maybe you should go look up it if your not too busy being one of the special ed snowflakes that has just a blind hatred towards lfr.

Wouldn't you be the special ed special person since you are the one running LFR?Kicked from raiding guilds?Still hurting from that i see. Raiding was just fine but they had to nerf content so much it was easier to add LFR for you and your friends than nerf content by 30% making people feel less bad.

A quick question for non-raiders

Originally Posted by Sciff

Quite a long waiting period for the Non-raiders (including me) to get their first Garrosh kill. FYI Pugging normal on our realm isn't easy

Can I ask why you want Garrosh down, if you don't want to raid? Those two things kinda go together. "I WANT FULL PVP GEAR AND MOUNTS, but I don't want to kill players." Wouldn't that be a lame kind of whining? ^.^

Be happy you and the rest of the non-raiders can see the content without touching your keyboard. People who work for it should get the reward first, as in killing Garrosh before you non-raiders. You're welcome to join us, and to get to kill Garrosh in Raid Finder, but there's no need for you to see him before the actual raiders. But that's just my opinion.