Well, he doesn't look creepy-as-fuck at all, and I'm sure that if I were a dad seeing this kid coming over to ask my daughter out I would by no means run and fetch a length of lead pipe to... do some plumbing.

Sooo apparently five years later the Guild Wars II fanbase has a critical mass of old GG diehards, and have gone full-bore "Ding dong the witch is dead" over successfully harassing an ArenaNet writer into being rude to them on Twitter. Instant dismissal for her, plus the guy who spoke up in her defence because fuck it why not. No visible dissenting voices. Of course her real crime was publicly disrespecting John Bain on the event of his death.

How long should a man like Louis C.K. pay for what he did? At least as long as he worked to silence the women he assaulted and at least as long as he allowed them to doubt themselves and suffer in the wake of his predation and at least as long as the comedy world protected him even though there were very loud whispers about his behavior for decades.

He should pay until he demonstrates some measure of understanding of what he has done wrong and the extent of the harm he has caused. He should attempt to financially compensate his victims for all the work they did not get to do because of his efforts to silence them. He should facilitate their getting the professional opportunities they should have been able to take advantage of all these years. He should finance their mental health care as long as they may need it. He should donate to nonprofit organizations that work with sexual harassment and assault victims. He should publicly admit what he did and why it was wrong without excuses and legalese and deflection. Every perpetrator of sexual harassment and violence should follow suit.

We need to figure out what justice looks like in the court of public opinion, not for the sake of the offenders, but for the sake of victims.

You know, it's interesting to compare how long these guys felt like they could do a comeback versus say, Paul Reuben, who was caught jerking off in front of no one, in a venue where that's (was? do porn theatres still exists even?) pretty far from expected.

There's also something to be said for Luis C.K. talking about masturbating in front of people for a living and Paul Reuben's career at that point being directly marketed at children.

Also when checking the year of Reuben's arrest I learned for the first time that he was in the middle of a week of visiting family out of town and I can say I've masturbated in way waaaaaaay weirder settings when put in that situation.

Yeah, I mean I certainly acknowledge that Reuben's target audience at the time meant that a heavier hammer was going to come down on him.

It was just a "first thing that came to mind" deal, thinking about how in some ways Reubens never really did come back at all until the last couple years. It took a while before he even got regular bit roles again, and the guy was genuinely depressed and withdrew from public life for quite a few years and he hadn't actually harmed anyone.

Meanwhile pretty well all the guys tagged in 2017, who have no only done incalculable real personal harm to many people, AND used their power and influence to further suppress and harm their victims for years, even decades, have only waited the most perfunctory bit of time before trying to simply pick up from where they left off. I mean, fuck these assholes aren't even waiting a fucking YEAR; Just a couple MONTHS.

I'm not actually sure what/who you're replying to here? But if it's me, I mean, I completely endorse the article and agree with ^.

As far as #MeToo goes, I don't think justice has yet been done. In fact I had assumed the next step in a lot of these cases would be an extended period of these assholes getting raked in court (probably civil if they avoid criminal).

I get the feeling Brentai is saying he would prefer people like Louie continue to disappear for just long enough that when they come back everyone still remembers they're shitheads and keeps talking about it.

For the Reuben / C.K. comparison again, I don't think you really need to add anything to it for "guy who abuses people with sexual act doesn't care about people's feelings or feel particularly bad about it, guy who doesn't abuse people does care about their feels and feel bad himself" to make sense.

beatbandito wrote:I get the feeling Brentai is saying he would prefer people like Louie continue to disappear for just long enough that when they come back everyone still remembers they're shitheads and keeps talking about it.

Oh yeah, that makes sense.

The problem there is that as the article posted states, there's far too many people still happy to give Louis CK their money - and a standing ovation.

beatbandito wrote:I get the feeling Brentai is saying he would prefer people like Louie continue to disappear for just long enough that when they come back everyone still remembers they're shitheads and keeps talking about it.

Oh yeah, that makes sense.

The problem there is that as the article posted states, there's far too many people still happy to give Louis CK their money - and a standing ovation.