German intelligence: the death toll in Ukraine is 50 thousand

originally posted by: BornAgainAlienGerman intelligence: the death toll in Ukraine is 50 thousand

MOSCOW, 8 Feb - RIA Novosti. German intelligence agencies estimate the likely death toll in the ongoing military conflict in the East of Ukraine at 50
thousand people, which is almost ten times higher than the official data from Kiev, said a source in the intelligence services of Germany.

"Official figures are too low and not credible," - reported the Sunday newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung, citing a source in German
intelligence.

Already last summer there were rumours that the official losses of the Ukrainian army were much higher, and it seems they were right.

No wonder hardly any Ukrainian wants to fight, mobilization numbers are very low and soldiers on the front refuse to fight.

And yet they still want to continue with sending in weapons and are talking about combining the army of the Ukraine with the Lithuania and Poland
armies (as my second post here shows (which was confirmed by
baburak to be true)) to bring even more soldiers into the slaughter
house.

What balderdash! Posting up stories like this only feeds the meter for the Band that plays the war drums.

It wasn't so long ago that Russia built thousands of nuclear shelters, the rapid pace gave rise to speculation. I don't think anyone in Europe wants
confrontation with Russia, it is really the USA. How far they are willing to push and how much Russia will take...I have no idea.

I don't worry so much about nuclear conflagration. I live not so far from Trident and I'm sure we would be high up on any Russian hit list. I won't
have to worry about all that winter stuff.

True, but the death toll is likely much higher as we are being told...Ukraine and US doesn`t want to let the people know how high it actually is
because of public opinion.

If people in the Ukraine know the real number no one wants to fight anymore, and if the people in the US know the real number they might start to pay
more attention to it. Support for the war isn`t that great already.

Just while we are posting here and despite a a lot of diplomatic noise in Moscow and Munich
Ukraine army intensified shelling of rebel hold Lugansk and Donetzk
A very powerful explosion in Donetzk several hours ago youtu.be...

From the research I have done online, it seems to me that German Intelligence is the primary force behind the war in Ukraine (so if anyone knows
casualty numbers...). They helped orchestrate the coup that put the current junta in power in western Ukraine, and did so with a green light from US
intelligence. They did so to remove a democratically elected government that was perceived as too friendly to Russia.

To offer rebuttal to the first thing some will argue. The election process in Ukraine may not have been great, but it was certainly as democratic as
the farce we have here, which isnt saying much , but its as democratic as anything really gets these days. Ukraine had elected both Western and
Russian leaning presidents.

Russia took exception to the Western organized coup and decided to support the ethnic Russians in the east of,the country, as well as reclaiming
Crimea. Just because really. They were going to get their hands dirty anyhow. is what we could probably assume was the reasoning.

Think if Russia organized a coup in mexico to replace the elected government with a Russian leaning Junta. Because that is exactly the situation in
Ukraine.

The thing is everyone still pretends that this coup didnt happen. Now this is no support of Russia. Not a place Id want to live. This is about being
honest about the situation and who keeps instigating wars around the globe. Being strong is great. Instigating wars and coups across the globe all
the time is maddeningly immoral.

Think if Russia organized a coup in mexico to replace the elected government with a Russian leaning Junta. Because that is exactly the
situation in Ukraine.

You mean the way the Soviet Union supported Fidel Castro's coup in Cuba? The US did try to subvert that, but with fewer casualties than Russia has
been inflicting on Ukraine. Eventually, the US just let it go and settled on a childish embargo. Russia is fighting because Putin considers Ukraine to
be its own property.

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