Anyone seen them actually in stores yet. I have a Kel Tek RFB and while It has some major drawbacks, I find that I really, really like bullpups.

Bullpups are short which brings the weight of the gun closer to the body. They are less fatiqueing(sp) to carry and can be hidden on the body or in a vehicle or in the home much, much easier than long guns.

It would be nice if the KSG were semi auto but with the very wide variance in 12ga ammunition that would be tough to do so a pump is probably the best way to go.

So anyway, are they 'out' there yet?

olgier

March 18, 2012, 07:37

I havent even seen an RFB in person yet.

DYNOMIKE

March 18, 2012, 08:35

We've had one, they are on "allocation" order status..
It sold quickly and it looks like it'll be awhile before we get another..
Thank Gawd

The things are fuggin hideous and have some serious flaws (which I've already noted in other threads)..

Like the RFB, and the PMR they are very difficult to get..
Keltec makes some good stuff (The SUB-2000 for example), these goofy Bull-Poop guns however aint so good and I don't see the attraction at all?? :confused:

riffraff2

March 18, 2012, 09:39

We've had one, they are on "allocation" order status..
It sold quickly and it looks like it'll be awhile before we get another..
Thank Gawd

The things are fuggin hideous and have some serious flaws (which I've already noted in other threads)..

Like the RFB, and the PMR they are very difficult to get..
Keltec makes some good stuff (The SUB-2000 for example), these goofy Bull-Poop guns however aint so good and I don't see the attraction at all?? :confused:

So you are saying that the flaws that were discovered at SHOT and elsewhere were NOT corrected before they started shipping them?

DYNOMIKE

March 18, 2012, 15:37

All I can say is IMHO the design in of itself does not lend itself to any real practical use..

I won't pretend to have any "inside" info on the product, can speak about it's availablity (or lack of though).. I can say for certain that I personally witnessed numerous failures. I (on more than one occasion) watched a shooter take the gun from a course of fire (3-Gun stage) escorted by an R/O after the gun tied itself up so bad it needed to be disassembled to clear it..

The design also creates a problem when short stroked and as such makes it a liability in my mind. I've short stroked Rem 870's and Mossy 590's but NEVER had theses guns rendered inop.. Once cleared (easily/quickly done) the guns where functional again..

I've noted in other threads that the guns do not allow one to single feed the chamber, they are prone to short stroke jambs, one must not only "select" the tube he wishes to load but also the tube he wishes to fire from..

I suppose if a scenario arises where the guns high round capacity is needed it would be nice, as long as we don't need to "re-load".. That process seems painfully slow when compared to a standard pump gun, semi's, or even a mag fed gun like the SAIGA for example..

As far as "issues" being corrected "before" shipping I won't speculate on that. The Gun has been in R&D for a very long time and I would certainly hope they had it as right as it could be "BEFORE" releasing it.. We all know it's NOT about profit, & that manufacturers ONLY sell PERFECT guns right?? :shades:

Kyrottimus

March 21, 2012, 09:34

Kel-Tec makes guns as a hobby. Their primary scratch is from the contract production of precision machine parts for the U.S. Government Aerospace industry.

When they are between government contracts, they design and make guns.

They never make substantial quantities of anything except PF-9's or SU-16's (about the only Kel-Tecs our shop can get regularly).

We had one KSG come through, sold it in a day. The buyer noted that the left side of the cocking-handle body was cracked. He called Kel-Tec and they sent him a replacement without hesitation.

I did get to handle an RFB via a firearms transfer for a cilent. Was way cool to handle, seemed like the most solid Kel-Tec to date. Wish they actually made them in a significant quantity.

I still wonder why they're using 2-piece screw-together bodies made out of DuPont Zytel (an obsolete and wholly inferior polymer). Their designs are very original and impressive, however their follow-through in production seems a bit short-sighted.

Don't hold out for the PMR-30. Unless you like shelling out 500%+ inflated prices on Gunbroker, don't bother looking. Get an FN FiveseveN instead and save yourself the anguish of trying to find the PMR-30 for a reasonable price.