I'm convinced that universe-busting SS Blue Goku (or any version of Goku which is even stronger than that) is obviously stronger than a guy like Seiya , who had a hard time destroying a bunch of stone pillars at the bottom of the ocean (in Atlantis), when he fought Poseidon and his Mariners.

Saints like Seiya are barely strong enough to bust a star, while SS Blue (or SS God) Goku can bust a universe as a random collateral damage which can by caused by his fist-fighting with other powerful characters.

@elderelijah190: you can try and scale all you want, but there is no where in DBS or earlier that SSB of any saiyin, or any saiyin altogether, is shown to be able to destroy a universe. Your fan theory is busted.

@madscientist224: I can scale ssb goku comfortably all I want because Gold Cloth seiya has never being shown in any way to be able to destroy a universe as well. Stop dodging the fact that they're both on the same boat. Nah it's different coz ssg goku actual had universal level feats which seiya doesn't.

@elderelijah190: via common sense and logic, if it weren't for someone, like say, a gid if destruction he was facing, then it would not be the universe was in trouble for threatened by him. Doesn't matter how you try and scale. Both Goku and Vegeta went all out against each other more then once since ToP as has been implied in the series...no universal threats mentioned.

So damn, like I said, fan theory out the window. Might want t to try harder with your logic.

Now, as for Seiya. You have around 50 Gold Saints, each three could unleash an attack that is equal to the force of the Big Bang explosion which created the universe, with individuals who could pull stronger attacks (e.g Regulus, Omega Saints, Leo Aiolia with Kreunos, etc..). Seiya herself in gold cloth form has been shown to be on par with some omega saints and can produce stringer attacks with universal level threat potential.

"via common sense and logic, if it weren't for someone, like say, a gid if destruction he was facing, then it would not be the universe was in trouble for threatened by him."

I didn't get your point here or what you were implying so go again mate.

"Doesn't matter how you try and scale. Both Goku and Vegeta went all out against each other more then once since ToP as has been implied in the series...no universal threats mentioned."

Why would it need to be mentioned everytime that they're universal when universal level has already been clocked earlier in the BoS or super? That's like saying everytime flash runs,it is suppose to be stated that he moves at ftl speed which doesn't make sense. And the entire battles that took place as time went on or previously in Z worked on the potency scale,this has being stated multiple times by vegeta for example. Ss maneouvers attacks on potency as well like Athena Exclamation that focuses universal level force to a single point.

"So damn, like I said, fan theory out the window. Might want t to try harder with your logic."

Who gives a shit about fan theory or are u reading my posts with your eyes closed? You keep repeating fan theory like a troll who can't comprehend simple logic. I mean has scaling now officially become fan theory on cv? Yeah no, it hasn't so IDk where you're getting the head canon fan theory from smh.

"Now, as for Seiya. You have around 50 Gold Saints, each three could unleash an attack that is equal to the force of the Big Bang explosion which created the universe, with individuals who could pull stronger attacks (e.g Regulus, Omega Saints, Leo Aiolia with Kreunos, etc..)"

Omega isn't canon and Aiolia was part of the Saints who partnered with Aries Mu to maneuver the Athena exclamation. He can't pull it off alone by his own might without a massive amp. Even Saga who is stated to be the strongest Gold saint of his time stated it can only be done by 3 Gold saints which he replicated alongside Camus and all. He's the strongest gold saint and he's above aiolia himself and he partnered to dish out The Athena Exclamation. Let's see how this concerns seiya in any way in your further posts.

"Seiya herself in gold cloth form has been shown to be on par with some omega saints and can produce stringer attacks with universal level threat potential."

Omega isn't canon. That's like Using Dbh goku feats to debate him with which isn't acceptable.

Best feat so far stands as a shared between ssb gogeta and broly, who dimension busted an unquantified dimension.

Scale all you want. Ssb Goku is not a universe threat not has the potential to universe bust.

A GoD has the potential to universe bust, because, well, kinda goes with the job.

Saiyinis don't have the potential, cuz, well, they've never been shown to be able to at any level.

If Goku had not fought a GoD, then the universe would not have been in potential danger...plain and simple.

So, simple logic and common sense says, since the only universal feat Goku has is shared with a GoD, then a GoD would need to be involved again to endanger the universe, unless otherwise stated in canon material (which it's not).

@ecoblitz: Who me? Most certainly not. All ss Vs dbs threads that existed that I,bossmountain and so on debated in ended up getting locked so it has always being an undone deal. Feel free to jump into this.

Someone like Seiya who is supposedly capable of universe-busting certainly shouldn't have any difficulties whatsover with a task like 'destroying a bunch of stone pillars in Poseidon's submarine world'.

It's for reasons like this one why most statements made about universe-busting Seiya characters can easily be exposed as hyperboles , because how else would a universe-buster have a hard time at taking down only a few stone pillars ? it just doesn't make sense whatsoever, unless it could be proven that those particular stone pillars in Atlantis have universe-level durability (i doubt a statement like that could be backed up with scans ).

On the other hand, the matter of SS God Goku & Beerus clashing causing universe-busting shockwaves can easily be confirmed by anyone who watched DB Super and who doesn't suffer from amnesia or alzheimers.

So at least for me it stands as a fact: SS God Goku (and I'm interpreting that canonically non-existant 'SS5' is some sort of an upgrade to SSGod Goku) would definitely stomp Seiya.

This should still cover up this section of your post here.......... Why would it need to be mentioned everytime that they're universal when universal level has already been clocked earlier in the BoS or super? That's like saying everytime flash runs,it is suppose to be stated that he moves at ftl speed which doesn't make sense. And the entire battles that took place as time went on or previously in Z worked on the potency scale,this has being stated multiple times by vegeta for example. Ss maneouvers attacks on potency as well like Athena Exclamation that focuses universal level force to a single point.

"Best feat so far stands as a shared between ssb gogeta and broly, who dimension busted an unquantified dimension."

I didn't even made mention goketa and broly neither did I needed gogeta in the first place. I can scale ssb goku to universal level all I want. But if you can't comprehend the logic behind attack on potency like for instance, the comic World War hulk vs sentry battle was borderline city level in dc even though World War hulk and sentry are clearly multi planetary via feats they replicated at some different point in time. I could keep going with a list to explain to you how Attacks on potency works. Vegeta even stated in Z about how attacks they manoeuvre works on the potency scale. By your logic Gold saints are wall level as their attacks were seen destroying temple walls and even Hades was oneshotted from one. Now I won't have hinted on this if you'd not presented this flawed nature of debating faculty. I mean there are so many scenarios I could pick from to work with your flawed lowballing dbs logic from saint seiya itself.

"Scale all you want. Ssb Goku is not a universe threat not has the potential to universe bust."

Lol mate stop trolling ridiculously and embarrassing the saint seiya fan base. So ssg goku gets to be a threat to the universe that is comprised of outer realms via mere punches that should be multi galaxy "should've been universal but leave it at multi galaxy because it wasn't his feat alone" but Ssb doesn't get to be not just a universe threat right? Flawed indeed. Ssb goku is universal in a borderline scale. All you can manoeuvre to refute are flawed logic and claims you keep repeating even after they've been debunked.

"A GoD has the potential to universe bust, because, well, kinda goes with the job."

How does destruction being a God's job takes away dc feats from other tiers? Lol this is just hilarious. That's like saying whis can't destroy what beerus can because it isn't his job even though he's ridiculously stronger than beerus and also his teacher who one shotted him with a neck chop.

"Saiyinis don't have the potential, cuz, well, they've never been shown to be able to at any level."

Irrelevant and baseless logic here. The same Saiyans "gegeta and broly" shattered/destroyed the dimension they punched their way into. Goku himself dealt universal busting punches alongside beerus via just three strikes, we've statements confirming this. And Goku attained Godhood back in his Ssg state which progressed to ssb and so on. He basically has the same God ki as beerus which can't be sensed. Even whis himself has stated goku and vegeta would make good God of destruction so just stop with this absurd level of debating skill mate.

"If Goku had not fought a GoD, then the universe would not have been in potential danger...plain and simple."

Yep if he'd not fought beerus then and attained godhood himself which helped him in sharing that universal+ busting feat, the universal wouldn't have being in danger. I agree with this. Nothing stated the universe was threatened then because goku was facing a God lol. What we know was the colliding of their punches caused those shock waves and nothing more. Stop using a flawed and absurd head canon logic to interprete the statements and feats we got from the franchise in your words. I mean this is basically you being the writter of dbs and stating shit that wasn't even hinted on in the first place.

"So, simple logic and common sense says, since the only universal feat Goku has is shared with a GoD, then a GoD would need to be involved again to endanger the universe, unless otherwise stated in canon material (which it's not)."

So if Goten or trunks for example faces beerus,we would get a universal feat because they're facing a God right? I hope you can tell how stupid your claims are with this direct question mate. You're the troll here with the hating lowballing fiction because you're basically interpreting the series in a different retarded way. The series didn't made mention of anything like goku punching at universal level then being because he was facing a God and that if he wasn't facing a God next time, he wouldn't be universal. This is all from your hating fiction head canon logic.

Seiya himself has no universal level feat or let's put it at star level feats. If three gold saints aren't burning and combining their maximum Cosmo, we ain't getting universal feats. I mean I like how you keep dodging ways of providing claims for seiya winning against ssb goku in this thread.

@elderelijah190: yes it ended up getting locked because you guys would never accept a loss even though it was as clear as day both feat wise and statement wise you guys were getting utterly trounced. Feel free to believe otherwise tho.

@coitunats: is it those same pillars that could survive universe busting and that wasa much weaker version of seiya who would get blitzed and one shotted by the seiya in this thread? Also hello mysterious alt