No idea. I don't like awaiting or hoping for wars. Though, I won't cry when NK is turned into a parking lot after trying or succeeding into nuke Seoul, Tokyo or Alaska. Or maybe a Chinese metropolis (they once directly threatned to strike China) Kim is a sicko. He needs to be disposed of.

NK by some wouldn't be considered a communist nation. They're actually a rogue nation and the US don't deal with rogue nations. The US are actually pushing China to deal with this problem and China is taking it's first step in checking all the cargo that goes in and out of NK along their borders.

1 month, Oh my god! I don't want to die yet. I hope it doesn't hit the mid - west. Why do we have to have the war now, can't we have 5 years from now I hope the Koreans here in America will have something to say, because their are Koreans here in they will be killing.

anyhoo, I hope Kim Jong Il and George W. Bush Jr. would both stop being idiots. I don't like war, and especially not Nuclear War, it involves too many civilians. Why do people have to die for their government when the government is doing wrong? The only thing War is good for is evolution. But right now I don't think war will resolute in anything other than more war, more terror and more suffering.

George Bush started the war on terrorrism to end this suffering and fear, but he has yet to realize that he has become a terrorrist himself, spreading fear not only in his own country, but in the entire world, and all he has done is justify what happened on 9/11....

I am highly doubtful the West will ever plan on tossing the first nuke again (The fulda gap this isn't). With the other side being completely devoid of finctional nuclear weapons and having an absolute zero sum of delivery systems reaching past Japan a nuclear exchange involving the US and the DPRK is highly fucking unlikely, even with a decade added.

never. kim's nuts, yeah....... but he's the dictator of a starving country. he needs food for them... at the very least, food for the military. nukes are simply a bargaining chip.

that's not to say they wouldn't be used... if so, SK and Japan are the first targets. NK can't hit the (continental) US... but they certainly can hit Okinawa or Yongsan. the first nuclear punch would be by NK, and even then the US likely wouldn't respond with like force. even as unpopular across the world the iraqi war has been, countries ranging from Albania to Australia have supported the US. but I doubt anyone would support the US after a nuclear strike. Britain miiiiiiight... if it were a retalitory strike.

the likely course of action? using the air force to pound the shit out of NK. airstrikes are the way to go as far as world opinion goes. US did so to iraq (mid-late 90's), israel did it to iran (mid 80's), with minimal repercussions. (on a side note, i'm surprised israel hasn't done the same to iran).

one last thing... NK + nukes vs. US + nukes isn't mutually assured destruction. that was the case with the ussr, because the US would need nukes to stomp USSR, and vice versa. the US doesn't need nukes to stomp NK.

I dont think anyone really think tha N korea is going to attack the US, but what about south korea, or japan? wouldnt need an icbm to attack the country next door.

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They don't need nukes to do that anyway, this question could've been posed anytime within the last past 50 years and it hasn't come to fruition. As much as people would like to believe it, the Great Leader is not insane and the US and co will not use nukes first here.

I see very little reason to even consider a glassing within six months, or even sixty years.

With Kim, it's hard to gauge what he'll do. His people might be starving, but he is not. He lives off imported lobster, mercedes benz, and the finest red wines and cognac in the world. He makes sure plenty of money goes into his lifestyle and his military R&D. If he doesn't care if his people starve, he's not gonna care too much to sacrifice a few of them to feel like a big guy at the world table. At the very least I hope the US (meaning people around Bush and between him and his nukes cause he's a monkey in a suit) is wise enough to not use nukes.

Nukes are poison for the planet, they won't make anything better on either side.

We can only hope right now that China can talk Kim into coming to the negotiations, but I'm not too hopeful.

I am highly doubtful the West will ever plan on tossing the first nuke again (The fulda gap this isn't). With the other side being completely devoid of finctional nuclear weapons and having an absolute zero sum of delivery systems reaching past Japan a nuclear exchange involving the US and the DPRK is highly fucking unlikely, even with a decade added.

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Hey no need to call me ignorant, Its just a discussion, no one has flamed anyone so lets keep it that way.

Fact is our own Government here in the U.S. doesnt tell us everything. They only tell us what they want us to here, the rest is kept secret in order not to scare people who cant handle the magnitude of a certain situation.

What makes you; a person who doesnt even live there let alone be apart of there military/goverment know what they have and dont have. Or what they can and cant do.

I do agree that if they attcaked us or our allies they'd be blown off the face of earth most likely, but Kim Jong Il is one crazy bastard. None of know what he's planning on doing.

There is nothing the U.S can do against North Korea if they used a nuclear bomb , we can barely handle insurgents in Iraq, what makes people think we can even handle an organized and well equipted army, especially with Iran on the verge of making a nuclear bomb them selves... THe only way the U.S can handle either country military wise is to either let our so called allies handle it or the U.S would have to start up a draft.

Fact is our own Government here in the U.S. doesnt tell us everything. They only tell us what they want us to here, the rest is kept secret in order not to scare people who cant handle the magnitude of a certain situation.

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Uh huh, and can you cite a source for your privy knowledge? I know I draw from several sources like Jane's and Globalsecurity. What do you draw from?

I do agree that if they attcaked us or our allies they'd be blown off the face of earth most likely, but Kim Jong Il is one crazy bastard. None of know what he's planning on doing.

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Barginning chips are no use if they're wasted along with mentioned country.

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There is nothing the U.S can do against North Korea if they used a nuclear bomb , we can barely handle insurgents in Iraq, what makes people think we can even handle an organized and well equipted army,

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Hey, remember what happened to the Iraqi army during OIF in 2003?

If that doesn't float your boat keep in mind the DPRK is stuck in the goddamn early 70s as far as military tech goes, and is on the verge of starvation with a very poor logistics base. This is not the S. Korean army we're dealing with here.

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especially with Iran on the verge of making a nuclear bomb them selves...

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They still have a decade of work according to the NSA.

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THe only way the U.S can handle either country military wise is to either let our so called allies handle it or the U.S would have to start up a draft.

Hopefully both countrys know that if the war is started, there is no winner.

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Would be the case if both were equal. Whole NK can just be turned to dust. The USA could loose 1 or 2 cities. No winner in term of lost civilian lives, but the greater loser would be NK (No, I don't think China would help them if they shoot first. The Chinese might even work the problem out if shit happens)