"It is a moral issue for me to stand up against recreational and trophy hunting, and an emotional issue since I love the animals being hunted, and an intellectual issue on evolution by compassion, and a spiritual issue as to why I am here. Anti-hunting is one of my callings." ~ Anthony Marr, Founder and President

According to hunting ban polls 21 % of the population feel they should tell 77 % of the population how to live with regards to hunting. Hunting bans are not about animal health in herds & packs. They are about 21 % of the general population telling 77 % of the general population how to live. The truth is it is none of their business if I and the wolf are out hunting today. If we are enjoying our lives as we see fit the Anthony Marr's of this world should not be telling wolves or human hunters how to live. BTW, Anthony Marr in a debate on another forum was eventually cornered and had to admit that his Birth Control claims for controlling large tract deer herds were false and that I/C control would not work. I applaud his eventual honesty in that admission on that forum but I see he is still selling his snake oil to less informed audiences.

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Donnie: can you provided a link or address to that other site? This Marr person sounds like a nut-cake.

He has folded up camp on the other forum, Iowanic. We were able to prove his claims about Birth Control were not valid even though he had claimed otherwise. I don't think he is fruit cake as much as a self promoting emotionalist who recognizes power for himself in that self promotion with the anti hunting crowd, who think of him as a hero, despite his faults. However he was honest enough or worried about how unscientific he looked in promoting Birth Control for deer that he finally admitted his plan had major faults about two years ago and left that forum. However, some of his supporters are still trying to sell his propaganda even though they know Marr admitted his plan was not workable for State or Provincial herds.

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I think I'm going to write a donation check of $1,147 to Hunt of a Lifetime so terminally ill kids can go on the hunt or fishing trip of their dreams. That comes out to one dollar for every one of Marr's nutty sycophants at GAHC.

I think that animal culling should be done by a few professional people and these hunting plebs should be banned from doing it. Animals should not die in the name of sport and should not be terrorized before being euthanized (<---- this being the operative word as in should be the case), at the least. There has to be something wrong with people who enjoy causing suffering and fear to animals, and to cap it, then kill them. Pretty much warped way to have fun, in my opinion.

I personally feel that my human rights are being violated by hunters right now on a daily basis, I have a right to peace of mind and to live where I live in peace (and it is a foregone conclusion that the poor animals who dont have a voice or a choice have a right to not be terrorized to death at somebody's pleasure). I would seriously like to see hunters wiped from the face of the earth and believe me if I can do anything about it I will. If only 21% of the population think hunting is ok then perhaps you should examine why the remainder are against it and remember you are in a minority which will get smaller with time and yes - evolution. Cave men went out of season a long time ago, in case you did not notice, we have supermarkets now and if you want sport why dont you take up gymnastics or something less violent or there is always judo or karate or even clay pidgeon shooting or archery.

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I think that animal culling should be done by a few professional people and these hunting plebs should be banned from doing it. Animals should not die in the name of sport and should not be terrorized before being euthanized (<---- this being the operative word as in should be the case), at the least. There has to be something wrong with people who enjoy causing suffering and fear to animals, and to cap it, then kill them. Pretty much warped way to have fun, in my opinion.

I personally feel that my human rights are being violated by hunters right now on a daily basis, I have a right to peace of mind and to live where I live in peace (and it is a foregone conclusion that the poor animals who dont have a voice or a choice have a right to not be terrorized to death at somebody's pleasure). I would seriously like to see hunters wiped from the face of the earth and believe me if I can do anything about it I will. If only 21% of the population think hunting is ok then perhaps you should examine why the remainder are against it and remember you are in a minority which will get smaller with time and yes - evolution. Cave men went out of season a long time ago, in case you did not notice, we have supermarkets now and if you want sport why dont you take up gymnastics or something less violent or there is always judo or karate or even clay pidgeon shooting or archery.

For Pete's sake.....l your human rights are NOT being violation. No one is trying to kill you and no one has even crossed on to your property. So get real.

If you are so worried about the cats then tame and home them. If you can catch them to spay/neuter them and you say you train them to go into a shed and how they trust you.... then they could have been/could be tamed and placed in loving homes instead for being left to fight the elements and predictors and to cause an adverse effect on the local ecosystem and it's animals and trespassing/invading on other people properties.

You want to say you care about them then step up and take some action and responsibility for what is best for the cats instead of looking for groups to attack people on their own property not doing anything wrong or illegal.

The way I see it is that you really don't care about the cats as much as you care about playing victim in order to blame others for what.....because you won't behave as a responsible pet/animal owner. You also clearly do not know anything about hunting and are spouting AR rhetoric to feel justified.

Stop paying lip service to how much you care about the cats and "act" like you care about them.

I think that animal culling should be done by a few professional people and these hunting plebs should be banned from doing it. Animals should not die in the name of sport and should not be terrorized before being euthanized (<---- this being the operative word as in should be the case), at the least. There has to be something wrong with people who enjoy causing suffering and fear to animals, and to cap it, then kill them. Pretty much warped way to have fun, in my opinion.

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I don't think hunting should be done by only professional killers. I think it is only right that young wolves learn to cull deer herds without being hired to kill by the government but the terrorizing portion of your argument stands supposing wolves are professionals in training or not. The deer kinda know they are being hunted by young & old bears ,cougars & coyotes anyway. With humans though the thing is , WE do NOT enjoy torturing animals. That charade you offered is an intentional misrepresentation of the truth. Hunters enjoy perfect kills . Perfect kills require an animal to fall down dead or unconscious without even knowing it was the target of a humans desire for that deer meat. Your melodrama about causing suffering & fear is a falsehood meant to cause polarization away from the true intent of a perfect hunt.

personally feel that my human rights are being violated by hunters right now on a daily basis, I have a right to peace of mind and to live where I live in peace (and it is a foregone conclusion that the poor animals who dont have a voice or a choice have a right to not be terrorized to death at somebody's pleasure). I would seriously like to see hunters wiped from the face of the earth and believe me if I can do anything about it I will. If only 21% of the population think hunting is ok then perhaps you should examine why the remainder are against it and remember you are in a minority which will get smaller with time and yes - evolution. Cave men went out of season a long time ago, in case you did not notice, we have supermarkets now and if you want sport why dont you take up gymnastics or something less violent or there is always judo or karate or even clay pidgeon shooting or archery.

Your rights are not being violated. The hunters rights are being violated by your emotionalized fabrications which deny the real intent of a hunt is to kill with perfection & no suffering. It would greatly help if you learned to read statistical sheets because you sure screwed up the percentages of hunting polls. Your claims of only 21 % being in support of hunting is not factual as the truth is only 21 % oppose hunting. Learning to read would be an asset to you and trying to be less of the misinformed fascist would be of an even greater value to your life.

BTW ,why is it all you ARA proponents deny moral servitude to Angelic Nirvana and then claim servitude to Evolution guidance which makes you superior to the less evolved hunters & meat eaters. I guess your type of speciesm is built on collateral damage of reconstructing the earth to serve your crop produce while feigning ignorance of just how speciest you really are as you point fingers at hunters and meat industries.

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I think that animal culling should be done by a few professional people and these hunting plebs should be banned from doing it.

Would you also expect degreed engineers and architects to take on sole responsibility for jobs otherwise filled by construction "plebs"? Hell why bother with a willing and able workforce, much less an uncompensated and voluntary one like hunters? Makes no sense at all, eh?

Yes, I was a bit strong on the ''wipe'' bit - send them to Timbuktu or something, I spend about from 6am in the morning until 2am in the next morning of my day on cats, feeding them, cleaning their houses spending time with them, it takes a while to get around them all and when the last one is done I have to start all over again - my choice I know, and I am not complaining at all - it is a privilege to have them, but running after 11 cats can be quite a job when there are three different groups of them all in different places and I am awaiting a cat run to be built - which will make this sort of situation easier I should imagine.

You do not have a clue what I do or how much I care about my cats.

Basically, The hunters are a pest in my life and certainly the cats could do without them also - I don’t want them anywhere near my cats and I do wish they would vanish. I don’t agree with them if I am to be honest anyway.

Maybe human rights was the wrong description, but I simply want them not to be shooting here but have to put up with it and I am thinking why do I have to put up it - why can't they be the ones to go away instead - primarily, for my animals sake and safety and my piece of mind on their behalf - they are terrified when it starts even in the shed - I simply don’t want the shooting or any of it near us, I want them to go away, I can’t go away, I and my cats live here - I spend a lot of time worrying about the 2 cats whom I am trying to learn to stay in the outbuildings but have yet to achieve it - it’s not simple to do and yes it is stressful, to me anyway - because I am responsible for my cats and I want to make it as safe for them as I can. Hunters are just a nasty big spanner in the works of my life, (ok so plebs was a bit insulting - point taken). If I did not care I would hardly be worrying about it and I would not be here.

Also, I don’t think for one minute that the animals who are being shot at are not suffering, I have stood there and watched them in their last moments (poor creatures) and it is done for sport - or hobby whatever ... all the same... for someone’s pleasure or relaxation/recreation, what can be fun about scaring and killing animals like that?! Food is one thing but sport is quite another.

It is my opinion.

As for those % figures.. Put it this way, if many people witnessed it firsthand they would soon be against it when they see a little bunny run for its life and be shot at then dead, it is horrible & horrific. It is all very well saying something is this or that when one is not near to it but to see it is another story. Educated on seeing that - yes, educated on shooting animals - yes - done it, been there and decided no way, never again and do not agree.