There I Was:StoPPeRmobile: nekom: tallguywithglasseson:But yeah, Citgo, as TFA states The flag may only be lowered for the death of foreign dignitaries if indicated in Presidential instructionsYou don't just lower the flag to half mast when you feel like it. shiat heads.

Why not? Flag etiquette is, to the best of my knowledge, not codified in law.

It's not.

/studying law this semester//veteran

Study harder.

Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the U.S. Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the flag. It's a federal law, but one without punitive measures for failing to comply with it.

Per this law, only the President, state governors, or the mayor of Washington DC can order half-masting of the flag. But lowering it in this instance is speech covered by the 1st amendment. Still a dick move IMO, but what are ya gonna do? That's why the 1st amendment kicks ass.

/Not studying law, but proficient in WikiGoogle Fu//Also a veteran

It goes on to say somewhere - "Again, the provisions of the Flag Code on flying the flag at half-staff are, like all the Code's provisions, a guide only. They do not apply, as a matter of law, to the display of the flag at half-staff by private individuals and organizations. No federal restrictions or court decisions are known that limit such an individual's lowering his own flag or that make such display alone a form of desecration. "

Chavez was a typical homicidal dictator, and Citgo is a BS company at the head, but locally-owned at the outlet level. But at some point one needs to ignore government policies, otherwise we all sound like our angry grandparents spluttering about the "rotten Nips and their Jap-crap cars" or the "Krauts and their Nazi-mobiles".

This is one of those situations I go "meh", because boycotting hurts local jobs.

Like buying a car--I only buy cars assembled/made in America. Like my last couple of Camry's. I really don't want to get something that does nothing for our country, other than help some paper shuffler at the dealership. Most Ram pickup trucks, and until 2013, the new Camaros, were foreign-built.

It's a Banner. The Flag that is.It's little more the a decoration.It's like God, can mean as little or as muchAs you care. Like money, it's you'rs in your hand.Wipe your ass with it, burn i,t worship it. It's an illusion of an idea.

From your link:*infant mortality dropped from 25 per 1000 (1990) to only 13/1000 (2010);

From the CIA world factbook:20.18 deaths/1000 live births

13 v. 20 is not a small error. Makes me wonder about the accuracy of the other statistics in your link.

Infant mortality doesn't mean much from country to country, or year to year in the same country, if the rules for determining live birth are not fixed, well known, and applied accurately and honestly across the nation/world. Of course, don't completely discard the data, but consider the room for shananigans and the motives for shenanigans. One motive to lie might be to save your job, your life, or make your institution look better than others. A better picture of health care in a country might be the infant mortality ranking (not rate) averaged with national ranking for Maternal Mortality Rate, a number that is going to be inherently far more difficult to bullshiat. Life expectancy as a gauge is worse than using mortality - it's not the doctor's fault if the population is a bunch of overweight lazy drug addicts.

(IMO - yours may vary, especially if mine fails to prove a political point important to you that you know you are correct on but just need the data to prove out)

The Crimes of Hugo Chavez :http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=331630&CategoryId=13303

"This man never stops lying. He manipulates the people, falsifies history, carries out the systematic destruction of democracy, has multiplied the domestic problems of the people, and has involved us in dangerous international alliances with nations and terrorist groups "

From the article, or Tea-Bagger Herp-A-Derp? They have the same poly-sci teachers.

RIP Hugo Chavez. Thank you from all 250,000 of the low-income families in New England that you donated oil to during this cold winter (and multiple winters before). Hugo Chavez was a true humanitarian.

That rule is antiquated and is currently changing back to its original roots. Tucking the period is a throwback to the early days of moveable type, as an answer to the period getting damaged and being deemed more important than other dangling punctuation.

Since everything in the printing industry has been digital for many years now, pulling the period out to its logical position is gaining traction.

tallguywithglasseson:A caller named 'Doc' told Patrick, "I called their facilities manager and led a march of about 800 patriots from one of my Facebook pages."

800 patriots. Led on a "march". From one of his Facebook pages.

That sounds like a "whoever wins, we lose" type of situation.

But yeah, Citgo, as TFA states The flag may only be lowered for the death of foreign dignitaries if indicated in Presidential instructionsYou don't just lower the flag to half mast when you feel like it. shiat heads.

This!

I wish there were Citgo stations in my town so I could boycott them.

I once worked in an office building next to a Four Seasons Hotel. They flew a US, Texas and Canadian flag every day, but one day the US flag got lowered to half mast (for a legit reason, I don't recall why) but left the Canadian and state flags at full mast.

A lot of people noticed and bitterly complained. I'm surprised we didn't burn the hotel to the ground.

If you're going to display the US flag you have a duty to respect it and observe flag etiquette.

FarkedOver:RIP Hugo Chavez. Thank you from all 250,000 of the low-income families in New England that you donated oil to during this cold winter (and multiple winters before). Hugo Chavez was a true humanitarian.

Snarfangel:FarkedOver: RIP Hugo Chavez. Thank you from all 250,000 of the low-income families in New England that you donated oil to during this cold winter (and multiple winters before). Hugo Chavez was a true humanitarian.

whatever. Civil rights aren't up for a vote, and the affordable care act passed the house and the senate. tough titties, quit crying, you're a stupid baby, etc etc.

I think we need a new law, analogous to Godwin's Law, for the use of "wake up" or "sheeple." Since there is not yet any such law so far as I know, I'm gonna call dibs and name it "ciberido's 6th law." Now to formulate it, hmmmm

'The more a poster uses the expressions "wake up" or "sheeple" unironically, the less likely it is that they have anything intelligent to contribute to the discussion."

seadoo2006:You just have to love good-ol American crybabies ... Jesus Farking Christ ... it's only a god damn flag ... stop getting your panties in a twist and dump the sand out of your collective vaginas.

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I can't wait for the reaction the first time you discover a bum watering the flowers on a loved one's grave. It's only a dumb stone with a name on it after all.

brantgoose:Much of this etiquette was originally informal and not official, then it applied only to government flags (I believe legislation has been passed extending some of it, but it is still a mixture of invention, custom and law).

To be fair, well, pretty much every major law and custom started that way. It was, at some point, not against the law to murder.

Smoky Dragon Dish:louiedog: You know those single issue politics people in your life who only care about one thing, like abortion, gun rights, etc? I know someone who only cares about the flag code. He will flip out if he sees something wrong with the way a flag is hanging or stored and if the word flag is mentioned don't expect him to stop talking until he tells you every single thing he knows about the American flag. A white supremacist militia could take over the country, bring back slavery, legalize rape, and require ritual sacrifice every Tuesday as long as they respected the physical flag and he would probably go about his life like nothing happened, unless of course he was sacrificed.

whatever. Civil rights aren't up for a vote, and the affordable care act passed the house and the senate. tough titties, quit crying, you're a stupid baby, etc etc.

I think we need a new law, analogous to Godwin's Law, for the use of "wake up" or "sheeple." Since there is not yet any such law so far as I know, I'm gonna call dibs and name it "ciberido's 6th law." Now to formulate it, hmmmm

'The more a poster uses the expressions "wake up" or "sheeple" unironically, the less likely it is that they have anything intelligent to contribute to the discussion."

tallguywithglasseson:A caller named 'Doc' told Patrick, "I called their facilities manager and led a march of about 800 patriots from one of my Facebook pages."

800 patriots. Led on a "march". From one of his Facebook pages.

That sounds like a "whoever wins, we lose" type of situation.

But yeah, Citgo, as TFA states The flag may only be lowered for the death of foreign dignitaries if indicated in Presidential instructionsYou don't just lower the flag to half mast when you feel like it. shiat heads.

I assume the President you're talking to is the dickhead in charge of Citgo and not Obama.

And really, Chavez was a Mussolini-class bombastic butthole. Good riddance to him!

A flag is just a flag. To lose sight of rights such as free speech in the name of wild patriotism is to betray why you are a patriot in the first place. It really makes no sense. Some make the case that America is great because of its freedoms and then set out to limit those freedoms because they don`t agree with the politics of those that exercise them. A strange situation indeed.

Snarfangel:FarkedOver: RIP Hugo Chavez. Thank you from all 250,000 of the low-income families in New England that you donated oil to during this cold winter (and multiple winters before). Hugo Chavez was a true humanitarian.

If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?

And if you're having a vegetarian and a humanitarian over for dinner, what do you serve?

There is no sunlight between my thumb and forefinger when I demonstrate how large of a shiat I give about what Citgo does when it doesn't involve raising prices. Are people really this high strung over something that really has nothing to do with them? Am I really asking that question?

NeoCortex42:nekom: tallguywithglasseson:But yeah, Citgo, as TFA states The flag may only be lowered for the death of foreign dignitaries if indicated in Presidential instructionsYou don't just lower the flag to half mast when you feel like it. shiat heads.

Why not? Flag etiquette is, to the best of my knowledge, not codified in law.

That is correct, although I do disagree with them lowering the US flag in this instance. I think they should have just lowered the Venezuelan flag and left it at that.

Then again, Freedom of Speech. They have every right to do it.

This. If you can burn a flag or turn it upside down in protest of US policy, you can choose when to use it to mourn. Don't have to like it.

clowncar on fire:seadoo2006: You just have to love good-ol American crybabies ... Jesus Farking Christ ... it's only a god damn flag ... stop getting your panties in a twist and dump the sand out of your collective vaginas.

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I can't wait for the reaction the first time you discover a bum watering the flowers on a loved one's grave. It's only a dumb stone with a name on it after all.

Meh ... everyone I know has gotten cremated ... why the hell would you want your own plot of land for the rest of your life?

nekom:tallguywithglasseson:But yeah, Citgo, as TFA states The flag may only be lowered for the death of foreign dignitaries if indicated in Presidential instructionsYou don't just lower the flag to half mast when you feel like it. shiat heads.

Why not? Flag etiquette is, to the best of my knowledge, not codified in law.

No, now is when all the assholes who put flags on the back of their vehicles, wear jackets made out of flags and suck the flag as they fall asleep come out of the woodwork to keep everyone straight.

Insatiable Jesus:nekom: tallguywithglasseson:But yeah, Citgo, as TFA states The flag may only be lowered for the death of foreign dignitaries if indicated in Presidential instructionsYou don't just lower the flag to half mast when you feel like it. shiat heads.

Why not? Flag etiquette is, to the best of my knowledge, not codified in law.

No, now is when all the assholes who put flags on the back of their vehicles, wear jackets made out of flags and suck the flag as they fall asleep come out of the woodwork to keep everyone straight.

If you are against free speech then you do not believe in what that flag stands for. To love that flag is to love the freedom to spit on it. You don`t have to love spitting on the flag, just the right to do so. If you think otherwise then you do not respect the flag. You respect only your version of America. It is not freedom when you demand others think as you do.

chumboobler:Insatiable Jesus: nekom: tallguywithglasseson:But yeah, Citgo, as TFA states The flag may only be lowered for the death of foreign dignitaries if indicated in Presidential instructionsYou don't just lower the flag to half mast when you feel like it. shiat heads.

Why not? Flag etiquette is, to the best of my knowledge, not codified in law.

No, now is when all the assholes who put flags on the back of their vehicles, wear jackets made out of flags and suck the flag as they fall asleep come out of the woodwork to keep everyone straight.

If you are against free speech then you do not believe in what that flag stands for. To love that flag is to love the freedom to spit on it. You don`t have to love spitting on the flag, just the right to do so. If you think otherwise then you do not respect the flag. You respect only your version of America. It is not freedom when you demand others think as you do.

A fair point, but many people do not respect flag etiquette even though their intent is not to disrespect it.

If someone wants to burn the flag, that should be protected speech. If you want to make a pair of pants out of a flag, well, that's your right but it is disrespectful and you should be criticized for it.

There's an upside down flag in the movie Easy Rider and it's not the one on Capt. America's leather jacket. Kind of an interesting piece of trivia about the movie. I don't know if it was flown upside down on purpose.

I've seen a couple of breaches of flag etiquette done by a state:

Those are both pictures of the Motor Vehicle Department (Arizona's version of what's called the DMV in most states)

I'm not sure I have a point. Maybe Arizona should just start flying the Mexican flag.

r1niceboy:skullkrusher: r1niceboy: The sole CITGO in my city has a US flag flying full. I'm calling bullshiat on this entire story, just as I do for anything printed in the US about Chavez or Venezuela.

CITGO, a Venezuelan owned company, released a statement explaining why the flags were lowered, confirming it was to honor Chavez, who died on Tuesday from cancer."

Crap, CITGO's in on the conspiracy too!

Well, they're not all doing it. Which begs the question, what kind of society throws a hissy fit over paying respect to the dead, even someone you don't like?

ciberido:Onkel Buck: Enigmamf: Onkel Buck: And liberals are never guilty of being tacky[i26.photobucket.com image 313x430]

Wait, so you have to go back to the 60s to get a picture of a liberal wrapping himself in the American flag?

No I could have posted Katy Perry in hers but you jerk off too much already. Plus I know making fun of Abbie Hoffman really gets em riled up around here, he's like your John Wayne or some shiat

It's really fun listening to you speculate what liberals might be like. It's like listening to virgins talk about sex. Have you really never met one?

I live near the People's Republic of Chapel Hill and my aunt worked at the DNC in Charlotte this past election. So yes I know a few liberals, and for the most part they fit their stereotypes same as conservatives. Next question?