Posted by jvford on 9/13/2012 10:17:00 AM (view original):I think it's safe to say that you "hate" him as a president and "hate" his policies. I guess you could argue "strong dislike", but that's really semantics isn't it?

"Hate" is a strong word, one that I typically don't go to unless I'm not being 100% serious. If you want to say it's semantics, that's your call. But don't put your words in my mouth.

Posted by jvford on 9/13/2012 9:58:00 AM (view original):I think you're both really referring to the middle that became disenchanted with him. Most of us are.

Around me, the people that voted for McCain were angry about his election and worried that he would take all of their money (I don't recall ANY optimism). They spoke negatively about everything he did. Heck, even my wife was worried because our taxes were going to be higher.

Well, I think the "middle" is the barometer by which a Prez is judged. The extremes "I love Obama and anyone who doesn't is a RACIST!!!" and "I hate all them there negroes" are going to feel the same way regardless of what he does.

Those are very radical extremes that you're throwing out there, so I guess you're referring to a huge middle, now.

I was referring to the voters that typically vote republican but swung over to Obama and democrats that are prone to vote for a moderate republican. Not quite as big a middle.

However, I'm still surprised that you could walk around a red state after the previous election (where typically 60% voted for McCain) and everybody was enthusiastic and optimistic. Very different out east.

Posted by tecwrg on 9/13/2012 10:52:00 AM (view original):jvford: "A lot of people have a general hatred of Obama"

tec: "I don't hate him, I just dislike him and his policies. A lot. There's a difference."

jvford: "Sounds like hate to me. I'm just going to say you hate him."

tec: "No, that's not what I said, nor what I meant".

jvford "Oh, OK. (Wink, wink)"

You're absolutely right. Since hate means "to dislike intensely", I clearly overexaggerated the nuance of your feelings. On a dislike scale of 1-10, I charged you with a 10 when you most likely fluctuate between a 5 and 7, depending on the specific policy or content of his speech.

Posted by jvford on 9/13/2012 9:58:00 AM (view original):I think you're both really referring to the middle that became disenchanted with him. Most of us are.

Around me, the people that voted for McCain were angry about his election and worried that he would take all of their money (I don't recall ANY optimism). They spoke negatively about everything he did. Heck, even my wife was worried because our taxes were going to be higher.

Well, I think the "middle" is the barometer by which a Prez is judged. The extremes "I love Obama and anyone who doesn't is a RACIST!!!" and "I hate all them there negroes" are going to feel the same way regardless of what he does.

Those are very radical extremes that you're throwing out there, so I guess you're referring to a huge middle, now.

I was referring to the voters that typically vote republican but swung over to Obama and democrats that are prone to vote for a moderate republican. Not quite as big a middle.

However, I'm still surprised that you could walk around a red state after the previous election (where typically 60% voted for McCain) and everybody was enthusiastic and optimistic. Very different out east.

"Enthusiastic" and "optimistic" are your terms, not mine. And there's a long way between those and "hate".

Posted by tecwrg on 9/13/2012 10:52:00 AM (view original):jvford: "A lot of people have a general hatred of Obama"

tec: "I don't hate him, I just dislike him and his policies. A lot. There's a difference."

jvford: "Sounds like hate to me. I'm just going to say you hate him."

tec: "No, that's not what I said, nor what I meant".

jvford "Oh, OK. (Wink, wink)"

You're absolutely right. Since hate means "to dislike intensely", I clearly overexaggerated the nuance of your feelings. On a dislike scale of 1-10, I charged you with a 10 when you most likely fluctuate between a 5 and 7, depending on the specific policy or content of his speech.

I saw a lot more "This sucks" when another option was in sight. Personally, I thought it was gonna suck for a long time but that didn't stop me from being hopeful. When unemployment didn't get better and Obamacare became a given, hope was lost. The nation he hopes to create isn't a nation I believe in.

Posted by tecwrg on 9/13/2012 10:52:00 AM (view original):jvford: "A lot of people have a general hatred of Obama"

tec: "I don't hate him, I just dislike him and his policies. A lot. There's a difference."

jvford: "Sounds like hate to me. I'm just going to say you hate him."

tec: "No, that's not what I said, nor what I meant".

jvford "Oh, OK. (Wink, wink)"

You're absolutely right. Since hate means "to dislike intensely", I clearly overexaggerated the nuance of your feelings. On a dislike scale of 1-10, I charged you with a 10 when you most likely fluctuate between a 5 and 7, depending on the specific policy or content of his speech.

I stand corrected.

There's a level of emotion, of passion, in "hate".

There is not, in dislike.

You're welcome.

Thanks for clarifying "intensely" for me. You must be the go to guy for this stuff in your office.