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I meant make it work as in make some sort of resemblance of a movie... Note how I said "and ruin it in the process" right after.

Ah, right right.

Still. Considering all the difficulties in trying to adapt some of these anime (notably Evangelion), I really don't understand why they don't just try going for more original productions. It's not like Evangelion is some kind of household name in the west. It'd be about as recognizable once it hits theater as about any other original movie. Plus? The people most likely to be already familiar with it are the MOST likely to be aggravated in your attempts to make it appeal to a larger demographic.

Still. Considering all the difficulties in trying to adapt some of these anime (notably Evangelion), I really don't understand why they don't just try going for more original productions. It's not like Evangelion is some kind of household name in the west. It'd be about as recognizable once it hits theater as about any other original movie. Plus? The people most likely to be already familiar with it are the MOST likely to be aggravated in your attempts to make it appeal to a larger demographic.

It just confuses me.

I concur.
Why not just adapt the ideas to an entirely new project.
An American version of an "Eva" type story would not irritate fans of Evangelion provided it is far enough removed not to look like a "rip off."
Robotech is a sore spot with many anime fans as it is, making a live action version of it seems like reopening a wound and pouring salt in it.

Still. Considering all the difficulties in trying to adapt some of these anime (notably Evangelion), I really don't understand why they don't just try going for more original productions. It's not like Evangelion is some kind of household name in the west. It'd be about as recognizable once it hits theater as about any other original movie. Plus? The people most likely to be already familiar with it are the MOST likely to be aggravated in your attempts to make it appeal to a larger demographic.

It just confuses me.

They're mostly going for brand recognition, since if they can get the brand familiar enough to the masses, then they're banking on them getting more bang for their buck on the already existing franchise.

Then again, yes they do need to go for more original name productions. I mean, look at Pacific Rim.

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Everyone who's blaming Hollywood for scouring for unadaptable titles because it's run out of ideas?

Lets keep in mind that its the original creators of these works who wanted the movies in the first place? Gainax was the first to suggest the idea of an Eva movie about a decade ago.

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Ah, right right.

Still. Considering all the difficulties in trying to adapt some of these anime (notably Evangelion), I really don't understand why they don't just try going for more original productions. It's not like Evangelion is some kind of household name in the west. It'd be about as recognizable once it hits theater as about any other original movie. Plus? The people most likely to be already familiar with it are the MOST likely to be aggravated in your attempts to make it appeal to a larger demographic.

It just confuses me.

Its not about whos familiar with it. The directors of these kinds of high action movies couldnt care less about catering to existing fans, unless there are a whole lot of them (Im talking Star Wars or Harry Potter levels. Not the case here with Robotech, Eva and FMP). The point of the movie is to bring the masses, people who may not be familiar with the franchises already, and to do this theyre gonna change the movie to make it more accessible to a mainstream audience of whatever country its made in. For example, in the Eva Hollywood movie, Ill bet my bottom dollar that theyre gonna make Shinji less whiny. For whatever reason a lot of ppl in USA think male leads with actual emotions are undesirable.

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Robotech is a sore spot with many anime fans as it is, making a live action version of it seems like reopening a wound and pouring salt in it.

Unfortunately HG doesnt care about you or any other fans of actual Macross. I wish it werent so, but look at all the idiocy theyve caused over Macross.

But your point does get me thinking that at this point, years and years after Robotech ended, there should be more Macross fans than Robotech, right? So this movie is gonna have to pander to the lowest common denominator or else its gonna bomb big time. Which would be great, maybe thatd bring HG into 21st century so theyd understand that Robotech is *dead*, and bitching at Big West and Macross is a big waste of time because of that.

Unfortunately HG doesnt care about you or any other fans of actual Macross. I wish it werent so, but look at all the idiocy theyve caused over Macross.

But your point does get me thinking that at this point, years and years after Robotech ended, there should be more Macross fans than Robotech, right? So this movie is gonna have to pander to the lowest common denominator or else its gonna bomb big time. Which would be great, maybe thatd bring HG into 21st century so theyd understand that Robotech is *dead*, and bitching at Big West and Macross is a big waste of time because of that.

Yes I know you are right.
Some of us who grew up with Robotech, but got sucked into Macross (thanks to Macross II) really thought that Robotech would "die" after the 1980s.
Macross Plus created a whole new fanbase because it was/is an awesome anime IMHO and helped boost the Macross name brand.
M7....well, I'll not rant about that since it was part of some weirdness of the 1990s I don't understand (G Gundam...ooh, it hurt).

However, it is sad to me that Zero, and Frontier (both of which were awesome IMHO) didn't make it to North America because of Robotech.

They're mostly going for brand recognition, since if they can get the brand familiar enough to the masses, then they're banking on them getting more bang for their buck on the already existing franchise.

See, that's the thing that doesn't make sense to me. I don't think something like Evangelion or Full Metal Panic has very much brand recognition among the general movie going public. Does the western fanbase of Evangelion or Full Metal Panic really matter when it comes to calculating the amount of money that 100-200 million big budget sci-fi movie needs to bring in to make money?

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Its not about whos familiar with it. The directors of these kinds of high action movies couldnt care less about catering to existing fans, unless there are a whole lot of them (Im talking Star Wars or Harry Potter levels. Not the case here with Robotech, Eva and FMP). The point of the movie is to bring the masses, people who may not be familiar with the franchises already, and to do this theyre gonna change the movie to make it more accessible to a mainstream audience of whatever country its made in. For example, in the Eva Hollywood movie, Ill bet my bottom dollar that theyre gonna make Shinji less whiny. For whatever reason a lot of ppl in USA think male leads with actual emotions are undesirable.

But that's my exact point. If the name recognition for a franchise is already nonexistant like that, then what's the point of using the name? Why not just go for any number of original movies?

It's like there's something schizophrenic about how Hollywood operates nowadays. The executives seem to think that they absolutely need to make everything a remake or an adaption in preproduction, but when they actually go to the meat of actually making a movie they suddenly seem to remember that the original brand recognition is irrelevant.

I think I can say as a somewhat logical human being (as opposed to an anime fanboy) that what they're doing doesn't make any sense.

It's like there's something schizophrenic about how Hollywood operates nowadays. The executives seem to think that they absolutely need to make everything a remake or an adaption in preproduction, but when they actually go to the meat of actually making a movie they suddenly seem to remember that the original brand recognition is irrelevant.

I think I can say as a somewhat logical human being (as opposed to an anime fanboy) that what they're doing doesn't make any sense.

I understand you, and I also dont get why Hollywood has been doing that lately.

But in the case of HG, this is them trying to revive Robotech for the new generation, so theyre gonna make a movie with little resembance to Robotech, yet call it Robotech.

It's like there's something schizophrenic about how Hollywood operates nowadays. The executives seem to think that they absolutely need to make everything a remake or an adaption in preproduction, but when they actually go to the meat of actually making a movie they suddenly seem to remember that the original brand recognition is irrelevant.

I think I can say as a somewhat logical human being (as opposed to an anime fanboy) that what they're doing doesn't make any sense.

Same as superhero movies? When one became a success, other studios tried to follow on the momentum. When Batman, Spiderman, Superman and X-men were covered they went on to the B and C list heroes. I doubt Iron Man or Thor had a massive following before those became movies.

Transformers has been a hit, so now Hollywood execs are looking at other robot IPs they can scavenge.

Original stories are hard to find. It's probably easier just to rework something existing and proven to suit one's needs.

I know, you'd think that after nearly thirty years (Robotech came out in 84 or 85?), that HG would have been able to create something entirely new.
How many new Macross series, movies, games, and merchandise has there been over that time?

I really wish HG would just let go of the Macross title and remake the first portion of their show to exclude Macross.
Honestly, if the Chinses can come up with their own (more or less original) version of Macross, you'd think HG could?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and this show doesn't look THAT bad for kids.

See, that's the thing that doesn't make sense to me. I don't think something like Evangelion or Full Metal Panic has very much brand recognition among the general movie going public. Does the western fanbase of Evangelion or Full Metal Panic really matter when it comes to calculating the amount of money that 100-200 million big budget sci-fi movie needs to bring in to make money?

You misunderstood my point: The brand recognition comes AFTER the movie has introduced the basics of the franchise, not before. Very much what Kudryavka said.

It's very much like introducing someone to classic novels by introducing them to the movie adaptation: vividly introduce the image and gist of the story into their heads so that they'll become interested in the original source. Whether they succeed or not depends on how well the movie is done of course

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Ahh Harmony Gold. They were responsible for getting me interested in anime all those years ago, and I thank them for that. However, that's about the only good deed they ever did. They are a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

That being said, I can't imagine a live action Robotech being worthy of screentime. I know several self-made shorts have been made and a couple of them have been halfway decent, but I'm not holding my breath for any full length movie to actually be any good.

I know, you'd think that after nearly thirty years (Robotech came out in 84 or 85?), that HG would have been able to create something entirely new.
How many new Macross series, movies, games, and merchandise has there been over that time?

No, I actually thought HG finally let RT die a painless death and scattered it's ashes in the past where it belongs
realising the only thing they could make of it was a monstrousity that would have to be taken out of its misery anyway

A theatrical adaptation of the Macross saga doesn't offend me.
But possible refreshing of th Robotech franchise license by HG does, since it's the main source of rights conflict that's hindering overseas development of the Macross franchise as a whole.

A theatrical adaptation of the Macross saga doesn't offend me.
But possible refreshing of th Robotech franchise license by HG does, since it's the main source of rights conflict that's hindering overseas development of the Macross franchise as a whole.

Are you sure? Suppose HG loses the license, the rights would still be in the hands of the licensor Tatsunoko. As far as I know it's the bad blood between Tasunoko and Big West that fuels the conflict.

Which would make me wonder how HG can make a new RT series without copyright infringement

Same way they've done the RT sequels. They created new designs for the Macross cast while retaining their English names. For the rest they used Southern Cross and Mospeada mecha and characters and the Invid as the main enemy.

And to be fair, even though it's not Macross, the Legios design still looks better than anything Bayformers put out.