DeAndre Jordan Performance Discussion Thread (P. 21)

spot on. prior to this year DJ's percormance probably deserved between 6-8 million per year. finally he is making enough to warrant those numbers. there was much debate about what DJ should have been paid

CP3Heliflopter

12/20/2013 - 11:51 AM PST

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How the heck is he overpaid?

Centers paid 8.5m-14m this season:

Tyson Chandler(14m)

Bogut(14m)

Al Jefferson(13.5m)

Nene(13m)

KG(12.5m)

Pekovic(12m)

Noah(11m)

DJ(11m)

Mcgee(10.75m)

Splitter(10m)

Varejao(9m)

Biedrins(9m)

Perkins(8.5m)

Who on this list would you take over DJ? I would only take Noah(maybe).

DJ is averaging 10/13/2.2/1 on 65% shooting. The free throw shooting is an issue but its usually not that big of a deal.

Not to mention DJ is almost always healthy. He is extremely durable as a player. More durable than anyone else on that list.

Players with size aren't overpaid. They are paid that much since they are a rarity. They are paid based on demand. If DJ is overpaid then almost all the centers in the league are overpaid by that logic.

Silasie

12/20/2013 - 11:58 AM PST

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^

Right now it looks like DJ is earning his money.

Of course from a different point of view he is vastly over paid, cos he gets paid 11mil a year to put a ball in a metal hoop but that is a totally different debate altogether

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12/20/2013 - 12:21 PM PST

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absolutely, sometimes I look at some b-ball players and even the low paid guys get like $800,000 a year that is a massive amount of money. the problem with athletes though is that they buy ludicrous things and burn the money fast. see I'm sensible I wouldn't buy a $1million dollar car like a McLaren, I'd be completely happy with a Rolls Royce, lmfao

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12/20/2013 - 12:37 PM PST

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I was thinking about Mullens the other day, feeling sorry for him cos Doc was playing him and then worked out he was crap. And how Mullens must be bored frustrated and feeling bad about himself and then I remembered he was a rich man, getting paid serious amounts of cash to do nothing much.

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12/20/2013 - 12:43 PM PST

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if I were Mullens I would catch up on language lessons with my time om the bench

ClippersDA

12/20/2013 - 02:21 PM PST

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Mullens just also seems like not a fun or charming individual. I'm hoping we can offload him somehow. He could be the worst active player in nba. What does he do well or even average? I am very impressed with DJ and think if he could have a good playoff season we should hold him as our center of the future.

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12/20/2013 - 03:48 PM PST

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I wish Mullens was atleast as good of a cheerleader as Turiaf was. I loved seeing Turiaf go crazy on the bench and I think our players liked it also.

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12/20/2013 - 04:00 PM PST

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I wish Mullens was even half as useful as Turiaf as a player.

Silasie

12/20/2013 - 04:47 PM PST

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He was certainly good for moral. Life of the party, with his spinny finger thing!

Mullens is a different kettle of fish altogether.

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12/20/2013 - 07:09 PM PST

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Mullens is there to make our other players look good. if Crawford is having a bad shooting night all Doc has to do is glance over at Mullens and then remember that it could be worse...Crawford could be shooting like Mullens

tense2

12/20/2013 - 08:12 PM PST

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It would be funny (to some) to bump the Mullins signing thread. Some of the biggest proponents of the signing are now some of his biggest distractors.

Hindsight...oh well we're stuck with him for now.

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12/20/2013 - 10:10 PM PST

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^^ I was one of the guys that put my hope on him in case DJ didn't make any vast improvements. I'm still not sold on DJ even though his rebounding has been astounding. I'll wait a little longer before i eat crow cause the last time i did, he came back to earth. With that said, I am in no way a Mullens DETRACTOR.

CapsNClips

12/20/2013 - 10:14 PM PST

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I plead the fifth!

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12/20/2013 - 10:15 PM PST

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I was kind of excited because I would love for the team to have a 7 footer who can shoot.

I still would love to have a 7 footer who can shoot. lol

Icecoldclipper

12/20/2013 - 10:47 PM PST

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It really comes to the playoffs DJ was up and down last season but by no stretch did he have a terrible regular season. Gasol was just so massive and talented the way he and ZBo and Conley wrecked us made the team look terrible.I would say DJ probably had a little better man defense last year but its all about trust. Vinny made it known and it was pretty obvious he was not a fan of DJ its not like DJ is hitting every time at the line in the 4th now its just a bigger trust in responsibility factor.

Everything comes down to the post season because just like last year and year before if we get beat up front it will diminish everything he does in the regular season. The biggest x factor maybe that if the Grizz miss the playoffs there really shouldn't be any two headed PF and C that should beat us. That means DJ has to take the best big if not a stretch and hold his own. Think the people hoping the most the Grizz miss the playoffs is our big three.

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12/20/2013 - 10:55 PM PST

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Oops...thanks Joe for the correction, LOL.

Most know your not sold on him and hopefully that changes by seasons end...plus I wouldn't mind you taken a spoonful of some of that crow. After all, it would only be a good thing for the team.

We'll see.

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12/21/2013 - 12:19 AM PST

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Same here. I suppose that we had all seen DJ start strong and then finish really weak time and time again. That left the door open to anyone..enter Mullens. I don't think any of DJ's detractors saw Mullens, Jamison, or any of those other guys as the savior, but we just wanted someone that could be better than DJ. To the point that we would give anyone a chance at center. However, finally, DJ has been good this year. but it did take a long, long time and I can definitely say that I can understand the doubt on DJ because prior to this year he did dissapoint, and to be quite honest we havent even finished this year so he has yet to prove anyone wrong, most of all you CJ. I know you have had reservations on DJ and so far you are right until he can finish this year strong that is

tense2

12/21/2013 - 12:28 AM PST

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^DJ was always better then you and others gave him credit for. Mullins on the other hand is worse then some of you gave him credit for. Much worse.

I disagree. What most of us have always complained about are things that stats really don't convey.

jumping on every damn pump fake for easy fouls

Real bad man on man defense in the post

No offensive game that he creates on his own- and when he does, it usually results in a turnover.

Worst free throw shooter in the league ( proven with stats)

Loses a lot of loose balls that are uncontested.

I don't think anyone here has overrated Mullens. Some of us, just like Doc, thought he could serve a purpose on this squad by spreading the floor for BG. Maybe Doc overrated him, he hand picked this guy. Maybe he used "Analytics" when he decided to bring him in.

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12/21/2013 - 02:09 AM PST

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"* I don't think anyone here has overrated Mullens."

I think I read things like Mullens being better (or possibly better) than DJ, and possible starting over him, implications that he had higher IQ, calling Mullens a good offensive player or average defender might have been said too. Somehow thinking he was good from watching him play (unle it w highlights)" but that is why they are "high"lights. There were a lot of things said that based on the reality of the guys play was overrating. Go check the threads about him yourself.

On the other side of things, saying a terrible offensive and defensive, super low IQ on both ends player like Mullens could start over DJ just on the outright. People weren't saying "if he drastically improves all aspects of his game", just the player coming from Charlote. Saying that is certainly underatting how good Jordan was.

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12/21/2013 - 03:39 AM PST

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^

I have to say I remember that whole Mullens chapter and a lot of people were really excited about the acquisition and Agent0 was constantly warning us that he would really have to improve to be any good for us. I remember getting caught up in the excitement and thinking that Agent was being overly negative. As it turned it he was completly right.

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12/21/2013 - 05:05 AM PST

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If Mullens would change his playing style and maybe try the same thing as DJs Tactic, that could bring some improvements. More dunking and easy buckets, maybe some jump shots but only some feet away.

But i would try a lineup with Jamison and Mullens. Never ever again Mullens & Hollins ^^ another possibility Griffin & Mullens together.

DJ is aweseome but still I fear the important games , hope he has confidence during the play offs.

Btw why he's never try his hook shot? wasn't so bad last season.

Silasie

12/21/2013 - 09:06 AM PST

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Personally I wouldn't play Mullens at all.

tense2

12/21/2013 - 10:56 AM PST

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There were a couple of other people in that camp too.

tense2

12/21/2013 - 11:03 AM PST

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With all that said (and not suggesting he doesn't need to improve in some of those areas) he was still better then some gave him credit for and the data indicated that.

And yes, a lot of people "overrated" Mullins. The numbers are showing that too.

Maybe whoever was in charge of the "Analytics" department when they were looking at signing Mullins was on vacation.

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12/21/2013 - 11:31 AM PST

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I have seen people say that Mullens was better than DJ or would compete with him for the starting spot. I have also seen people say that he would be a good floor spacer when he is very bad from 3 and mid range. He makes Blake look like an elite mid range shooter. So yea I would say he was overrated by a few people.

As for the DJ cons they are true but for Mullens every aspect of his game is a con. Doc made a mistake of bringing him here but it didn't take him long to realize how crappy Mullens was which is why his role right now is bench cheerleader/human victory cigar.

I can see why Doc thought he would be valuable if he only watched Mullens play a few times. A 7 footer than can space the floor is valuable but the thing is Mullens can't. Heck make Blake Griffin chuck 3s and mid range Js and he can arguably put up better shooting numbers than Mullens.

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12/21/2013 - 11:49 AM PST

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I wasn't trying to be negative either, though it seemed that way because I wasn't impressed. It's just that I had seen a games and video of him and he really was a bad player, a lot of it just being low basketball IQ.

Still, I wanted him to do well cause it is good for the team, but I was just trying to warn people that expectations of him being a positive impact player, let alone usurping DJ's role would mean he worked extremely hard on he whole game and drastically improved as a player.

I don't think he didn't work though, or that he was lazy, just that he might have needed more work than he thought. He's at the stage where he needs to be the hardest working player on the team during the off-season and on the court to become a positive impact NBA player. Sometimes even working hard enough isn't good enough for some people.

Silasie

12/21/2013 - 11:55 AM PST

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^

I now know you weren't being negative, I just didn't know it then. Then I saw for myself.

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12/21/2013 - 05:52 PM PST

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Like I said, Doc personally picked him...Who by the way, some here praised for keeping DJ when he actually had him shipped out to Boston until the deal was squashed by the league.

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12/21/2013 - 06:59 PM PST

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I'll happily own up.

I never thought DJ would put it together like this. Although I need to see him step up come playoff time to fully buy in. He's been ATROCIOUS come playoffs last two years.

I DID think under Doc and off bench Mullens would be a good role player at least. Never expected arguably worst player in NBA.

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12/21/2013 - 07:08 PM PST

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same here. we just have to cross our fingers and hope that DJ can continue this performance, especially since he's our best defensive player. at least from the health standpoint he's very durable and he's always given us nearly complete seasons

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12/21/2013 - 07:32 PM PST

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I thought Doc would use Mullen to shoot 15-18 footer lol Similar to where DJ receive the ball on offense where he waits for player to curl around him but he's been mostly use for pick and pop at the 3 point line

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12/21/2013 - 07:33 PM PST

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I agree I thought Mullens would be a great piece! I think Doc thought so as well! I got all hyped seeing his highlights and his 25+ pts and 10+ rebs game but I never....

As for getting a backup big, best to wait until nearer to the deadline, when several options will open up. Still hoping the Suns buy out Okafor so we can acquire him.

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12/21/2013 - 07:39 PM PST

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^^

Totally agree about getting a big to give DJ and Blake some relief, and getting rid of Mullens. Not sure though if we will keep Jackson though because that would mean we have 4 players at the 3 spot, and we don't want to hamper Reggie's development.

tense2

12/21/2013 - 09:32 PM PST

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No one's perfect, not even Doc. He's allowed one mistake.

And some of the best trades are the ones you don't make.

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12/21/2013 - 10:20 PM PST

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I agree, some of the best trades are the ones you don't make...Only we did but it was nixed. You can say exterior forces saved Doc from himself.

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12/21/2013 - 10:30 PM PST

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Great coach but not not exactly a great GM. Even Phil Jackson wanted to trade Kobe for Kidd but the Lakers didn't want to do it.

Jackson wasn't a GM. Jackson also said Kobe was uncoachable too so he had his reasons for it.

tense2

12/21/2013 - 10:53 PM PST

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Whatever CJ. Apply at will.

CapsNClips

12/22/2013 - 12:40 AM PST

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What a great defensive showing by DJ tonight. His stats were just Eh, but he controlled the paint along with BG. He's a top defender in this league if you ask me.

Should I start saving up for a DJ West All-star jersey? Or is it too soon?

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12/22/2013 - 03:00 AM PST

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Griffen/Love/Aldridge/Davis/Howard/Duncan/Lee/Zach/Gasol-pic one/ Sht man if the Clipps were in the east he'd be a lock, but he'll need the love from the other coaches, I don't think he'll get it over all those guy's. Maybe if there's an Injury it's a possibility, The Commish allways pic great players on winners.

CapsNClips

12/22/2013 - 11:07 AM PST

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I don't actually think he'll get in either, but I honestly do think he's having a better year than Lee, Zach and Gasol.

Then again you left out DMC and Dirk who will probably get in over DJ, so yeah, not much hope left for him.

ClipperPostman

12/22/2013 - 11:36 AM PST

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Remember it's called "all-star" not "All around best players".

More of popularity contest. DJ's not a household name yet.

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12/22/2013 - 11:39 AM PST

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I'm pretty sure DJ is, like, bionic! Not only is he a freakish athlete, but every time he gets some sort of injury, he's fine shortly after.