Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

YIM-The longer you have posted in this thread, the less I trust you on the whole. You are, by your own admission, sinning by looking at these photos. But you persist in seeking them out, and looking at them. Your pants don't have to be unzipped, with a box of tissues near by, for you to be in sin, as you well know. You are trying to justify your own sin by saying you are "researching." Those photos don't cause me to sin in any way whatsoever. You claim most men would fall because of these photos. If you are indeed correct, you are KNOWINGLY causing other men to fall into sin with you.

How can you possibly justify that?

I didn't POST it on the internet, it existed.

Did I not say if they'll fall into lust don't click? LOLDid I not warn.

Each makes his own decision.

And just so you know, I wasn't gawking at the photo. Men are going to notice breasts. In fact, I didn't have to SEEK out the photo....

Simply do this.

Go to google

Type in -- orthodox baptism

Then click images

Scroll down a bit, and you'll see the exact photo I posted. It's right there.

So if you want to blame me for "seeking it out", well it was in my face as an example of EO baptism on google.

How wrong are we that we don't find those photos enticing when we look at them when you post them, if you SEEK THEM OUT KNOWING THEY CAUSE YOU TO SIN?

That's a good point. A multitude of "small holes" in a white sweater was immodest, showed too much skin, and incited lust in YiM. Therefore, it would incite lust in any man. Why, then, does he spend his internet time looking for half-naked women? Not only does it cause him to sin, but he drags others along with him to hell.

Be fair, as the thread digressed and you know it. It went into masturbation, LGBT, and nudity, etc.

Read the monks, no tight clothing, no sheer veils.... I believe but am not sure that small holes in a sweater causing skin would probably not sit too well.

And just so many of you know, I've slept many nights at monasteries and been around a lot of monks. You know what, I don't think any of the women (except for the ones in pants if that) would have been turned away, but they ASK them so they don't fall into lust. That was the message of my argument.

Hey, I agreed with you. Monks are weird too. They are not the height of Christian life. Sorry. They are just living another vocation like any other. After all the legendary men of Athos can't even fathom a woman being amongst them. Sounds pathological to me, but hey, maybe in another 1000 years or so some spiritual development will occur. I dunno.

Everyone here doesn't follow the monastic rule in anything else, so why should they use the monastic rule for how woman are to be dressed when in mixed company?

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

When I go to google, type in --- Orthodox baptismclick images

And see a woman holding her naked breasts in a frozen body of water - NO I didn't expect that. Nor the 7 or whatever year old naked child.

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

Precisely. Yesh, the corner you've painted yourself into must be the size of a postage stamp by now ...

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

YIM-The longer you have posted in this thread, the less I trust you on the whole. You are, by your own admission, sinning by looking at these photos. But you persist in seeking them out, and looking at them. Your pants don't have to be unzipped, with a box of tissues near by, for you to be in sin, as you well know. You are trying to justify your own sin by saying you are "researching." Those photos don't cause me to sin in any way whatsoever. You claim most men would fall because of these photos. If you are indeed correct, you are KNOWINGLY causing other men to fall into sin with you.

How can you possibly justify that?

I didn't POST it on the internet, it existed.

Did I not say if they'll fall into lust don't click? LOLDid I not warn.

Each makes his own decision.

Are you sharing this experience with your wife and children or are you enjoying selfie time on the computer?

Plus, I didn't know there were African-American, Hispanic and Native American Mennonites. I guess they aren't in your group?

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

When I go to google, type in --- Orthodox baptismclick images

And see a woman holding her naked breasts in a frozen body of water - NO I didn't expect that. Nor the 7 or whatever year old naked child.

In context of my OP, I believe my arguments were pretty well shown to hold ground when monks dress code validates even stating the reasons for - lust.

On the other topic of naked baptism, look I think it absolutely would cause men to fall in the church, and so do those women in Theophany. Those women though I don't know their intent, it's their business. If I saw that live at church with my children, we would be leaving.

On that note, if you guys want to attend services naked, I guess that's your business. My OP was really the point of the thread.

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

When I go to google, type in --- Orthodox baptismclick images

And see a woman holding her naked breasts in a frozen body of water - NO I didn't expect that. Nor the 7 or whatever year old naked child.

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

When I go to google, type in --- Orthodox baptismclick images

And see a woman holding her naked breasts in a frozen body of water - NO I didn't expect that. Nor the 7 or whatever year old naked child.

I just went and did the same search, and yes...its there...but its ONE picture out of 75 that has anything even questionable about it.

A question....

Why were you googling for 'Orthodox Baptism' to find images for this thread to begin with? Clearly the vast majority would be normal photos....

If you were looking for more pictures of 'immodesty' thats a pretty poor search for it...

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All opinions expressed by myself are quite tragically my own, and not those of any other poster or wall hangings.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

In context of my OP, I believe my arguments were pretty well shown to hold ground when monks dress code validates even stating the reasons for - lust.

No, in the context of this thread your argument falls completely apart. Indeed; in the context of this thread it is proven that even with women dressed very modestly, men can seek out photos that will cause them to sin if they desire to. Because that is precisely what you have done.

YIM-The longer you have posted in this thread, the less I trust you on the whole. You are, by your own admission, sinning by looking at these photos. But you persist in seeking them out, and looking at them. Your pants don't have to be unzipped, with a box of tissues near by, for you to be in sin, as you well know. You are trying to justify your own sin by saying you are "researching." Those photos don't cause me to sin in any way whatsoever. You claim most men would fall because of these photos. If you are indeed correct, you are KNOWINGLY causing other men to fall into sin with you.

How can you possibly justify that?

I didn't POST it on the internet, it existed.

Did I not say if they'll fall into lust don't click? LOLDid I not warn.

Each makes his own decision.

Are you sharing this experience with your wife and children or are you enjoying selfie time on the computer?

Plus, I didn't know there were African-American, Hispanic and Native American Mennonites. I guess they aren't in your group?

In context of my OP, I believe my arguments were pretty well shown to hold ground when monks dress code validates even stating the reasons for - lust.

No, in the context of this thread your argument falls completely apart. Indeed; in the context of this thread it is proven that even with women dressed very modestly, men can seek out photos that will cause them to sin if they desire to. Because that is precisely what you have done.

Look, I'm not going to laugh. Please stop.

The monks dress code exists. Get over it. They don't want sheer veils because of concerns about lust. It's in their own writing. If you are offended by the photos, those people are in communion with YOU. I didn't DO IT. Is it better to be blind?

God is so immoral. Scripture talks about him as having "knit" us together in our mothers' wombs, but you'd think he'd bother to knit some clothes. Instead, we are actually born naked. Surely he knows how sexually tempting nudity is? Why would he do that? How hard is it for God to knit a pair of underpants?

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

On the other topic of naked baptism, look I think it absolutely would cause men to fall in the church, and so do those women in Theophany. Those women though I don't know their intent, it's their business. If I saw that live at church with my children, we would be leaving.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

In context of my OP, I believe my arguments were pretty well shown to hold ground when monks dress code validates even stating the reasons for - lust.

No, in the context of this thread your argument falls completely apart. Indeed; in the context of this thread it is proven that even with women dressed very modestly, men can seek out photos that will cause them to sin if they desire to. Because that is precisely what you have done.

Look, I'm not going to laugh. Please stop.

The monks dress code exists. Get over it. They don't want sheer veils because of concerns about lust. It's in their own writing. If you are offended by the photos, those people are in communion with YOU. I didn't DO IT. Is it better to be blind?

You're the one doing Google searches and selecting "salacious" photos, not us. You're the one who "falls" at a glimpse of "back flesh", not us. You're the one who regards tiny holes in a woman's sleeve "immodest".

No, you are using posting here as an excuse to sin by your own admission. There is zero justification for that. You are simply WRONG and are in sin by seeking out photos that cause you to sin. There is no wiggle room out of this. You tied your own noose.

Your computer didn't spontaneously show you these photos. You sought them out when you did an internet search you knew would come up with the photos.

When I go to google, type in --- Orthodox baptismclick images

And see a woman holding her naked breasts in a frozen body of water - NO I didn't expect that. Nor the 7 or whatever year old naked child.

So naked children arouse you as well? I am getting confused.

Are we tweens or something? Grow up. I was very offended. Poor child.

Offended by what, a naked child? Don't you have kids? I lived with a kid for a long time. I had to touch his penis, anus, all sortsa stuff in order to properly care for him. We showered together when he was younger. It was NBD.

Who is the tween here? You mentioned falling because of women and then mention naked children in the same breath. It is confusing.

In context of my OP, I believe my arguments were pretty well shown to hold ground when monks dress code validates even stating the reasons for - lust.

No, in the context of this thread your argument falls completely apart. Indeed; in the context of this thread it is proven that even with women dressed very modestly, men can seek out photos that will cause them to sin if they desire to. Because that is precisely what you have done.

Look, I'm not going to laugh. Please stop.

The monks dress code exists. Get over it. They don't want sheer veils because of concerns about lust. It's in their own writing. If you are offended by the photos, those people are in communion with YOU. I didn't DO IT. Is it better to be blind?

You're the one doing Google searches and selecting "salacious" photos, not us. You're the one who "falls" at a glimpse of "back flesh", not us. You're the one who regards tiny holes in a woman's sleeve "immodest".

None of this is healthy, yesh. None of it.

Do I have to correct each one of you?

Fine if you don't lust for such things, that's fine.

But the MONKS DRESS CODE backs up my argument that I posted. I gave 3 links. They didn't want to lust for women, even with sheer veils, as I stated in my OP.

The unhealthy part is the EO Christians failing to recognize these flaws in some men, even their own monks, nor the sisters to recognize that they can help their brothers not to fall.