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Nationals sign Rafael Soriano to two-year, $28 million deal

"I have just been more than a little suspect of all the trades since the Willy (Scott Williamson) cash grab. That one left such a bad taste in my mouth that even a 1985 Dom Pérignon couldn't cleanse it." -- Creek14

Re: Nationals sign Rafael Soriano to two-year, $28 million deal

Seems like a lot of money paid for an upgrade they didn't quite need. Like buying an expensive new TV when you already have a perfectly good one. But perhaps the ending of their season still stings and $28 million is worth the belief that it won't happen with Soriano closing the game.

"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

Re: Nationals sign Rafael Soriano to two-year, $28 million deal

Screw the draft pick, good for them! This further fortifies what was already the most talented roster in baseball...

"Screw the draft pick."

I'm sure RedsZone would have a similar reaction if we just spent $14 million a year for a closer AND had to give up a first-round pick.

Not at all.

Even late first-round picks are valuable these days, IMO. The Reds are in a good position right now largely because of quality drafting. Drew Stubbs is one of the few first-round busts we've had since 2004. Homer Bailey was a good pick. Jay Bruce was a good pick. We were able to flip a couple of first-rounders (Alonso, Grandal) and a supplemental first-rounder (Boxberger) for Mat Latos. Todd Frazier was a supplemental first-round pick, Joey Votto was a second-rounder, Billy Hamilton was a second-rounder, on and on.

The draft is extremely important, especially if you're a team without bottomless pockets. The Nats do have more money than the Reds, but they're not the Yankees and that's a hell of a lot of money to pay for a closer when you also have to give up a first-round draft pick.

There is no doubt RedsZone would be flipping the freak out (and rightfully so) if the Reds paid $14 million/year for a closer and surrendered a first-round pick in the process.

Re: Nationals sign Rafael Soriano to two-year, $28 million deal

The Nats are also interested in Javier Vazquez if he decides he wants to pitch this year. The Reds have a good team but the Nationals are really putting together a force to be reckoned with in the NL. They re-signed LaRoche when they could have used Morse at 1B. Then they get a closer when they already have two. Kinda reminds me of the Yankees.

Re: Nationals sign Rafael Soriano to two-year, $28 million deal

I'm sure RedsZone would have a similar reaction if we just spent $14 million a year for a closer AND had to give up a first-round pick.

Not at all.
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Point taken, the draft is important.
However, an impact player for 2-3 years (assuming Soriano is going to perform at that level) is much more valuable on average than a late first round draft pick (The Nats are drafting near the end). Apparently, money is not really an issue.

It's analogous to us asking whether it would be worth giving up our first round pick this year to add another Matt Latos for 3 years.. most would say yes, as long as the salary bump wasn't crippling.

Consider it cost the Reds 2 first round draft picks, plus two other guys to get Latos.

Yea, I know it's not a perfect analogy, Latos is probably more valuable than Sorianno, but the point is there..

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Re: Nationals sign Rafael Soriano to two-year, $28 million deal

Really good signing for the Nats. They needed a closer. I'll be shocked if Storen comes back mentally from his meltdown in the playoffs. I think the Nats know this and decided to act. IIRC, their first round pick is at the bottom of the 1st round. That's really not that much of a loss, IMO, for what you are getting now. The Nats have done a great job this off season improving their needs. They got a CF,Span;upgraded their rotation a bit with Haren and now have added an effective closer. They should be the favorite in the NL East this season.

Re: Nationals sign Rafael Soriano to two-year, $28 million deal

Originally Posted by VR

Nats have a crazy roster.....should run away with the division.

Playoffs? Chapman vs. Strasburg in the NLCS? Might be the best rated game ever.

If the Phillies stay healthy, no one is running away from them. It's still mostly about pitching and it doesn't get any better than the Phils' top-3 of Halladay, Lee and Hamels. If Howard and Utley stay healthy, they'll remain in the race all year. I certainly think the Nats are the favorite, I just disagree with the notion that they will "run away" with the NL East. The Braves will also be a team to be reckoned with (although I would pick them third).

I like our offensive lineup better. Their rotation is probably better due to the uncertainty of Chapman/Leake. The bullpen is a wash since they only have Zach Duke as a LHP and we've got Marshall. It could swing heavily in our favor if Chapman goes back to closer. If Broxton has a good year and we add a RHP stud to further set up games, we're in great shape. Their bench is likely way better if Morse is on their team and hitting well in that role.

Re: Nationals sign Rafael Soriano to two-year, $28 million deal

I'm sure RedsZone would have a similar reaction if we just spent $14 million a year for a closer AND had to give up a first-round pick.

Not at all.

Even late first-round picks are valuable these days, IMO. The Reds are in a good position right now largely because of quality drafting. Drew Stubbs is one of the few first-round busts we've had since 2004. Homer Bailey was a good pick. Jay Bruce was a good pick. We were able to flip a couple of first-rounders (Alonso, Grandal) and a supplemental first-rounder (Boxberger) for Mat Latos. Todd Frazier was a supplemental first-round pick, Joey Votto was a second-rounder, Billy Hamilton was a second-rounder, on and on.

The draft is extremely important, especially if you're a team without bottomless pockets. The Nats do have more money than the Reds, but they're not the Yankees and that's a hell of a lot of money to pay for a closer when you also have to give up a first-round draft pick.

There is no doubt RedsZone would be flipping the freak out (and rightfully so) if the Reds paid $14 million/year for a closer and surrendered a first-round pick in the process.

I agree that draft picks are incredibly valuable in the long-term, but I don't care about the long-term prospects of the Washington Nationals. All I care about is how this impacts the Reds chances of winning the NL pennant in 2013. Losing a 2013 draft pick won't have any adverse effect on the Nationals until 2016 or later.

Re: Nationals sign Rafael Soriano to two-year, $28 million deal

Originally Posted by Steve4192

I agree that draft picks are incredibly valuable in the long-term, but I don't care about the long-term prospects of the Washington Nationals. All I care about is how this impacts the Reds chances of winning the NL pennant in 2013. Losing a 2013 draft pick won't have any adverse effect on the Nationals until 2016 or later.

It does shrink their bonus pool in next year's draft. It also reduces trade bait starting in June 2014. These are small potatoes when you're contending for a title, though.

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