Anyway, I'll take last season's team right now over this one. And before you try and parse that, I said right now, this minute.

CP3Heliflopter

11/09/2013 - 07:55 PM PST

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Our problems are 100% the bench. Our bench has way too many defensive liabilities. Crawford, Collison, Mullens are all complete turd on defense and Green is decent at best. You can live with maybe one or even two defensive liabilities but our bench has three.

pedroskinny

11/09/2013 - 07:55 PM PST

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I hope so because we are not getting anywhere with Mullens and Hollins as backup C's..

A_DOG_NAMED_BUD

11/09/2013 - 07:55 PM PST

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Wow, our 3 point defense is even worse this season. So damn frustrating.

djkaos23

11/09/2013 - 07:56 PM PST

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I'm not worried. Its early in the season but the defense needs a big improvement. Now if we are like 12-13 25 games in...then I'm worried

Paul's suited up tonight, right? Because I could swear I don't see him anywhere. It just goes to show, Blake cannot afford to get in foul trouble!

ClipperDodger1214

11/09/2013 - 07:58 PM PST

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They have no way of creating points. It's a jump shooting team or bust.

A_DOG_NAMED_BUD

11/09/2013 - 08:00 PM PST

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Dudley didn't even contest that last Parsons three pointer.

clipper*joe

11/09/2013 - 08:01 PM PST

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Time to watch UFC to salvage the weekend. Might glance back at this atrocity.

Agent0

11/09/2013 - 08:01 PM PST

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actually he is right, defense for the season was ranked 8th or 9th based on where you check, but was 21st after mid-February, so it was a below average to bad defense going to the playoffs, which is why it actually wasn't as surprising as we thought when the defense was atrocious against Memphis.

ClipperDodger1214

11/09/2013 - 08:03 PM PST

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Terrible call!

Agent0

11/09/2013 - 08:04 PM PST

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CP had the mid-range jumpshot, he should have taken it

Voyeur

11/09/2013 - 08:05 PM PST

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F@cking DJ! Get your head in the game! He missed the lob now he loses the ball!

A_DOG_NAMED_BUD

11/09/2013 - 08:05 PM PST

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Redick is the only player who showed up tonight.

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11/09/2013 - 08:06 PM PST

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Offensive rebound after another

CP3Heliflopter

11/09/2013 - 08:06 PM PST

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Surprised we are only down by 9 considering how poorly we have been playing.

Agent0

11/09/2013 - 08:07 PM PST

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Jordan is getting in the right spots and the guys are finding him

So what about that Redick guy who can only spot up?

clipper*joe

11/09/2013 - 08:08 PM PST

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But you're both wrong. The stat evolves every game till the end of the season. In other words, it averages out. Ebbs and flows...and averages out if you will. And at the end of the season, we ended up 4th and 8th. So actually, even though the defense was subpar at the end of the season, they still ended up top 10 in both O and D. So yeah, my statement was a fact and 100% truthful....Can't dispute no matter what sample size someone decided to take out to make a point.

CP3Heliflopter

11/09/2013 - 08:08 PM PST

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DJ and Redick are the only guys who played well this game. The bench has been particularly bad and that is saying something considering how awful it has been in general.

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11/09/2013 - 08:08 PM PST

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Collison sucks so far. When is Wayans back? Yes, that says a lot about DC's performance when I'm asking about Wayans .

A_DOG_NAMED_BUD

11/09/2013 - 08:08 PM PST

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Harden only has 4 points. If he had his usual numbers we would be getting killed.

CP3Heliflopter

11/09/2013 - 08:09 PM PST

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Harden was pretty awful against us last time too. He really makes things easy for Redick scoring wise with his poor defense I must say.

Agent0

11/09/2013 - 08:10 PM PST

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No, no, I'm not disputing your statement, that is correct, but the correlation of that ranking to how good the team was defensively at the end of the season isn't the same. I believe the team started off about 4th or 5th defensively at the beginning of the season, but after about January, the defense declined.

The point is that despite the overall season numbers being good, the actual defensive effectiveness was not the same at the end of the season as it was at the beginning. The team peaked early on defense, then declined.

You got shooters, you don't really have to take that last show, CP3. But I get it. SIGH

*shot

I'm so annoyed, I can't even spell rite! (that one was deliberate)

ClipperDodger1214

11/09/2013 - 08:11 PM PST

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CP3 has been pretty bad in these 3 games. Not good. Horrible last possession.

djkaos23

11/09/2013 - 08:11 PM PST

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Beverly has owned cp3 so far this game. Or is it that cp3 ain't interested tonight. Idk man

Voyeur

11/09/2013 - 08:11 PM PST

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I want Blake and JJ to have NO FOULS in the second half!!!!!!!!!!

CP3Heliflopter

11/09/2013 - 08:11 PM PST

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I didn't dispute that I merely said it was misleading. Our defense collapsed when it mattered. Towards the end of regular season and during the playoffs.

Of course its not as bad as it is right now but that isn't saying much since we have been really awful on the defensive end so far.

CP3Heliflopter

11/09/2013 - 08:13 PM PST

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Don't like how CP3 has been playing lately at all. Hope we see a better second half. We are only down 9 despite our terrible play. I will take it.

FightOnRon

11/09/2013 - 08:13 PM PST

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My Trojans won,now I am streaming a movie,if we catch up or come close I'll switch back

tense2

11/09/2013 - 08:14 PM PST

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Hopefully we do a reversal of last year defense and get better when it really counts.

FightOnRon

11/09/2013 - 08:16 PM PST

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The other teams have figured out a lot of things:

1> Get CP3 in foul trouble,we have no real backups

Hack a DJ

Shoot as many 3 pointers as you can

Keep us out of the paint and Let all the bigs try to shoot jumpers,and snicker

Voyeur

11/09/2013 - 08:17 PM PST

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The bench is absolutely hideous. When they already have numbers like -18, -14 and -11 in the first half....that's BAD!

A_DOG_NAMED_BUD

11/09/2013 - 08:18 PM PST

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JJ Redick is the man! Everyone else is playing like crap but at least we've found our legitimate shooting guard. Now we just need to hope that both Dudley and Barnes start to give us production from the SF and then get Okafor to help our bench.

And as horrible as our defense looks now, it has to get better at some point, right? I'd be shocked if we didn't greatly improve on the defensive end by the start of the playoffs.

Silasie

11/09/2013 - 08:18 PM PST

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This is depressing, at least my soccer team Arsenal are doing really well at the moment to console me.

I do hope this is new system, new player adjustment time and not how this season is going to pan out.

Agent0

11/09/2013 - 08:19 PM PST

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Yup, that 8th ranking wasn't representative of the caliber of defense the team had heading to the playoffs or for the last 20-30 games of the season. Also when we broke down the defense, we saw that it was spear headed by blitzing and committing turnovers and that it was average at limiting eFG% and defensive rebounding, and bad at fouling / giving up FT's, so against teams that could take care of the ball, the defense wasn't actually effective.

This is also why despite being a very good crunch time offense, the Clippers were not overall very good defensively in crunch time because they couldn't stop anyone if they weren't forcing turnovers.

Ideally you would want to either be consistently in a good range on defense or improve as the season goes and maybe settle at a good range to end the season.

Voyeur

11/09/2013 - 08:20 PM PST

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Yeah Doc won't end the season with the 29th or 30th ranked defense by the end of the season. One way or another they will get better. Still, we've got to play smarter.

clipper*joe

11/09/2013 - 08:22 PM PST

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Agent0 wrote:

No, no, I'm not disputing your statement, that is correct, but the correlation of that ranking to how good the team was defensively at the end of the season isn't the same. I believe the team started off about 4th or 5th defensively at the beginning of the season, but after about January, the defense declined.

I wasn't making any correlation to anything, I stated a fact and i was told I was being misleading. No I wasn't.

That's like me disputing you saying CP3 averaged 12 assists last season by me saying you're misleading because he only averaged 7 assists the last 10 games. You get where I'm going with this?

Quote:

The point is that despite the overall season numbers being good, the actual defensive effectiveness was not the same at the end of the season as it was at the beginning. The team peaked early on defense, then declined.

While it might not be the same ( what evolving stat is well, STATIC?), it sure wasn't misleading.

Nothing new....in 38 mins of bench play we are 2-14 shooting with 4 big rebounds.

Voyeur

11/09/2013 - 08:24 PM PST

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I tell you what, the bench may FORCE our starters to be super awesome by the end of the season.

Agent0

11/09/2013 - 08:25 PM PST

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I don't want to speak for Heliflopter, but I don't think he was saying that you were misleading, but that our ranking was misleading about how good we actually were on defense.

...and of course it was as going into the playoffs, one would say well a top 10 offense and defense should do a really good job and they might be wondering why that team was the worst defense in the post-season when they were technically the 8th ranked defense for 82 games.

Silasie

11/09/2013 - 08:25 PM PST

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That's a lot of hopefully right there. But yes I am still hoping they can turn it round. We are only down by 9.

clipper*joe

11/09/2013 - 08:26 PM PST

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Look at it this way:

Gentry has had a bigger impact on this team ( Offense) than Doc has (defense). That's a scary thought.