The heirloom weapons that drop from Garrosh are personal loot in Flex, Normal, and Heroic difficulty. The first heirloom weapon that drops for you will be for your current loot spec, but after that you will get one at random. Also cannot be upgraded through Valor. Not sure whether it's worth putting on the list?

•Players invest a lot of time into the last boss of an expansion, but the awesome gear that they got is replaced fairly quickly in the next expansion. The heirloom weapons from Garrosh are an attempt to compensate for that, as they will usually be the best leveling weapon you can get.

The heirloom weapons that drop from Garrosh are personal loot in Flex, Normal, and Heroic difficulty. The first heirloom weapon that drops for you will be for your current loot spec, but after that you will get one at random. Also cannot be upgraded through Valor. Not sure whether it's worth putting on the list?

Unless the item levels are wrong (they could be) a fully upgraded normal weapon will be the same Ilvl as the normal BoA weapon. The BoA weapon seems to have a smaller stat budget but it has 2 sockets and a much higher socket bonus. It won't be BiS, but if you aren't seeing any other weapons dropping I don't see why it shouldn't exist on the list as a viable alternative.

I was wondering is it possible to make any BiS list right now or at the moment is impossible? Did anyone try to make one? I'm asking because I'm requested to provide BiS list. I have a few ideas but wouldn't mind to get more advises.

I think what most kitty's want isn't a BiS list, but an upgrade path, but they don't want a BiS upgrade path, they want their own customized upgrade path tailored to their own misfortune :p and unfortunately, that's not deliverable, because it's unique to everyone.

Instead, I think more focus should be put on:- what playstyle changes need to be made for 550+- when do you break 4pT15? or break 2pT15? or gain 2pT16? or gain 2pT16?- when is AoC necessary?- which trinkets for which bosses? (I suspect Rune is universally good, but I wouldn't be surprised if a Mastery-heavy option is viable.)- with heavy cleave, do I drop expertise?

This will be the list that I will be going off of. As others have stated, it won't be the absolute perfect BiS but it maximizes the use of secondaries. I also didn't use the Warforged versions b/c of the randomness that they drop in. If you can get it, it is obvious that you will want the higher itlvl.

The items Paloro posted are the same as I was using for normal BiS, except for the weapon because it didn't exist when I assembled the set.

It's worth noting that the Hellscream weapons are 8 item levels above everything else in the instance and cannot be upgraded, presumably because they don't have the tech for item upgrades + heirloom item scaling to work together, or they just wanted to prevent people with alts being able to use them to upgrade it for their mains.

Obviously the other weapons in the instance are going to be a lot more accessible, but from a BiS standpoint why would you chose the Kor'kron Spire over Hellscream's Pig Sticker?

Edit: There's no warforged version of the Pig Sticker, so if you can get a Warforged anything else it would be better (given you can spend the 500 VP to upgrade it of course).

PS: Note that you won't be able to get a Fen-Yu until the beginning of the 4th lockout, not that it matters much since it has no stats on it anyway.

When you consider warforged gear, the Dark Shaman legs end up being slightly better than Nazgrim shoulders (since leg is a higher budget slot). It picks up expertise (from tier shoulders) and hit (from blue sockets), though. In any case, since socket counts and socket bonuses are now normalized for most slots, the differences between non-trinket items are really marginal -- the largest stat differences arise from the way the two secondary stats are allocated (more even allocation allows slightly more total budget).

PS: Note that you won't be able to get a Fen-Yu until the beginning of the 4th lockout, not that it matters much since it has no stats on it anyway.

You can get it right away. You just have to beat all four celestials (only the first gives loot but the rest still give quest credit).

Stenhaldi wrote:When you consider warforged gear, the Dark Shaman legs end up being slightly better than Nazgrim shoulders (since leg is a higher budget slot). It picks up expertise (from tier shoulders) and hit (from blue sockets), though. In any case, since socket counts and socket bonuses are now normalized for most slots, the differences between non-trinket items are really marginal -- the largest stat differences arise from the way the two secondary stats are allocated (more even allocation allows slightly more total budget).

And that only applies to Warforged and not upgrades, correct?

Stenhaldi wrote:You can get it right away. You just have to beat all four celestials (only the first gives loot but the rest still give quest credit).

aggixx wrote:And that only applies to Warforged and not upgrades, correct?

Which part? The warforged remark was just referring to offpiece selection -- since set pieces can't be warforged, a warforged offpiece replaces an item 6 levels lower, so you can gain stats by picking a high budget slot (helm, chest, legs) for the offpiece (but even then, only the Dark Shaman legs end up giving more total stats than the Nazgrim shoulders).

aggixx wrote:And that only applies to Warforged and not upgrades, correct?

Which part? The warforged remark was just referring to offpiece selection -- since set pieces can't be warforged, a warforged offpiece replaces an item 6 levels lower, so you can gain stats by picking a high budget slot (helm, chest, legs) for the offpiece (but even then, only the Dark Shaman legs end up giving more total stats than the Nazgrim shoulders).

Ah, gotcha, wasn't clear on that. I thought you were saying that it was a quirk with item scaling that a higher budgeted item scaled proportionately faster, or something.

So here's what it's looking like for a "finalized" BiS list. This should apply to both normal and heroic (and probably Flex and LFR aside from there being no Warforged gear).

I'm sure this has been linked somewhere before but I figured I would ask in this thread. At this stage I have one more Lei Shen (H) kill left to try my luck at a heroic/thunderforged Rune, so my question is will the normal Rune of Re-origination 530 remain on top of the list over using a trinket combo of say Assurance of Consequence(H/HTF) and Ebon detonator(H/HTF)? Thanks in advance.