Secondary (it has a pre-evo, but doesn't evolve)

Final (two pre-evos)

i was there and know all that but my point is that ice shell was the ability that was chosen, and there was no consensus to change it. cooper just said i want to change it and did. then insulted people who disagreed.

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i was there and know all that but my point is that ice shell was the ability that was chosen, and there was no consensus to change it. cooper just said i want to change it and did. then insulted people who disagreed.

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OK. Now I get your point. I thought you had been absent or something and didn't follow the changes. BUT, I was fairly certain that you've been active on all the threads from the beginning.

Since it seems very likely that this will be two stage, I yet again offer the names Pestreeze and Scyless for the first stage. As for how it evolves, probably by level would be simple enough. Its stats could be 20-30 points lower in all catergories for the first stage, though I'm thinking speed should be a bit lower than that if the pictures so far have been any indication on what may be.

OK. Now I get your point. I thought you had been absent or something and didn't follow the changes. BUT, I was fairly certain that you've been active on all the threads from the beginning.

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i was on holarday (stupid spelling) and dident get on smogon much, i voted and read but did not have time to discuss stuff. what do you think about my point? NO pokemon has total imunity from rock, not even on the 1st turn, this can counter T-tar well. NO pokemon has an ability that removes a 4x weak, even for 1 turn. it makes no sense. The people voted ice shell and we want ice shell. redo the poll if we have to.

Well, sorry to be nitpicking, but isn't this too broken with Compoundeyes and 116/114/121 attacking stats? If Nintendo ever decides to make it real?

thats not a nitpick, thats a serious issue. i have always tryed to stop this from being overpowerd, and voted for a spread with lower attacks/speed but thats what people voted for and we have to do waht the votes say.

The people voted ice shell and we want ice shell. redo the poll if we have to.

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No, you want Ice Shell. No one else has complained about the change. No one else seems to have any problem with Mountaineer. Unless multiple people post to complain, another poll would be a waste of time.

If it's broken, then we while testing this out on Shoddy we can change it. And yea, bulky waters, Bronzong to some extent. The only good moves this thing really gets are Bug Buzz and Blizzard, and the rest of his coverage isn't amazing. It hits some walls, but gets walled by others. Just like Heracross being walled by Gliscor, but still putting the hurt on many Cressys.

Once you have Buzz and Blizzard, the set almost has to be entirely special or have two more physical moves. If you've ever used a Yanmega, which has comparable special attack, but not had hypnosis, then you'll pretty much be looking at a purely special Syclant. You need Brick Break or Superpower to hurt Blissey, and even more Superpower. Dont' forget about Superpower's Attack Drop, so maybe then you could put on Earth Power, or something. This sample set can hurt some stuff, but not everything. The thing about it, it isn't gonna be OHKO'ing anything, and with its defenses it gets killed pretty easily. It's no more broken than Medicham with Compoundeyes.

I don't know about how 'broken' Mountaineer would be. I mean, if you use it, you're restricted to Ice Beam, and other lower power moves. Part of this thing's potency is its ability to use Blizzard with impunity. So, if it's using Blizzard, 90% of the time Stealth Rock will rape it. I don't think it's too broken as it stands.

Jengimat said a lot of obvious things, but he also hit the nail on the head with the hammer in his last paragraph - This Poke can have massivly powerful STAB's, or immunity to SR, but not both at once. It needs to have quite a lot of support. Dusknior totally ruins it no matter what ability it has. If it has compoundeyes then it screws up any attempts to rapid spin. If Syclant runs mountaineer then it can't do more than ~30% with Ice Beam. Dusknoir can WoW Syclant in return, allowing it to be totally walled by Blissey. Syclant can also be 1HKOd with FirePunch.

No, you want Ice Shell. No one else has complained about the change. No one else seems to have any problem with Mountaineer. Unless multiple people post to complain, another poll would be a waste of time.

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Creepy. That is almost exactly what I wanted to post. I find it highly unlikely you voted for Ice Shell for the name. Rather, you wanted the effect. As such, I feel no need to take this issue up to vote, unless I suddenly get flooded with posters wanting one.

EDIT: Making the new poll now. No one gave input on my dex entries, so I'll include them as well as the others. The new ones people have been posting are all too long.

this poke has a lot of abiltity with very high attack stats and speed to pull it off.
adding a stall version
switch out somthing set up free spikes and still kill with good type coverage double stab attacks
Syclant @ lefties/life orb /sash
Modest/Timid | Compoundeyes
~spikes
~earthpower
~Blizzard
~bugbuzz

I'm almost under the impression that any sort of spiking Syclant is gonna be a gimmick. But the kind of gimmick that has a good reward if you can pull it off.

Though, of course, as has been talked about, Syclant is a really good mixed wall, and that use would be far more....useful. Plus, Syclant attracts Tentacruels, who can take any hit except earth power and severely hurt with Surf. If you have Earth Power, you're Blissey, or any special wall, fodder.

this poke has a lot of abiltity with very high attack stats and speed to pull it off.
adding a stall version
switch out somthing set up free spikes and still kill with good type coverage double stab attacks
Syclant @ lefties/life orb /sash
Modest/Timid | Compoundeyes
~spikes
~earthpower
~Blizzard
~bugbuzz

can also put sub over any attack for blocking status.

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Wait, you're trying to use this thing DEFENSIVELY? That's like trying to make a tanky Deoxys-A.

But anyway, I'd probably run Mountaineer to avoid possible SR damage upon switching in, use its physical attacks, obviously use Adamant/Jolly and maybe put in U-Turn to get out while still hurting the enemy.

Considering I'm not that good at moveset making, my advice might not be useful, but my changes make sense to me.