jayhawk88:You know what's hilarious? I have a gun-nut cousin who has been extremely vocal on Facebook the past couple years about gun rights. Re-posting all the usual, terrible infographics and "fact pictures", linking to every story of local violence he can find and pointing out how it could have been avoided (spoiler alert: guns)...I think there may have even been a few WND links sprinkled here and there.

The other day I suddenly realized I hadn't seen much from him lately, and wondered if I had hidden one too many of his links and Facebook was just black-holing his stuff to me. I get to looking and notice that his profile has been scrubbed of nearly everything, his name has changed slightly, and I'm no longer his friend. Clearly he's deleted his Facebook account and created another one.

Turns out his job at a public university ran out of grant funding for his position and he's looking for a job.

Obama saw his facebook page and realized what a real American patriot he was. Obama had him fired. Obama is also blocking him from getting another job. Why would Obama do this? Because after awhile your friend is going to get hungry and he'll be forced to shoot up a middle school for lunch money. This is what Obama wants. He wants us all unemployed, starving, and shooting school children for lunch money. It's a fact.

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.

It's not being built for real defense. It's for hardcore LARPing. This is the real life equivalent of moving your character to a PVP server.

One of the primary reasons for a lease paradigm versus private property inside the walls is our desire to make the community for Patriots only.

The model will be similar in many ways to that of Disneyland. It is walled, gated, private property with controlled access. People pay to enter and agree to the rules because they see value in doing so. It is all based on a voluntary agreement between the owners of the property and those who want to come inside. Millions of people visit Disneyland and interact peacefully. It's exceptionally rare to hear of any serious problems. The key is that those people want to be there and understand what is expected of them. Surprisingly similar to what we are doing.

You guys are nuts. It's going to be just like Disneyland! We just need to go to Derpcott Center to sign our Patriot Agreements!

Bennie Crabtree:HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.

If they're holed up and getting hit with arty they're boned anyway. You could, in theory, put some tank traps between the inner and outer walls and along the outside walls (kinda doubt they have land mines) but standing your ground against a superior force is foolish to begin with.... should it come to that, which is what they seem to be preparing for with that type of fortification.

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.

So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.

The Citadel was on Fark before, but back then, they only had a WordPress blog. Now they've grown into a full website. It brings a tear to my eye to see that. Derp grows up so fast. *sniffle*

But seriously, the entire "Patriot Agreement" (which you have to agree to to apply to live in their castle) is focused on defense, particularly militia training and marksmanship. There's absolutely no information on how people will live with each other. They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.

It leads me to believe they're giving themselves one option to solve disagreements within their community.

CADMonkey79:So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.

Until the market ran out of food. Seriously, this has to be a joke. No one is stupid enough to give these people money, are they?

Granny_Panties:Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Do you get a great many hurricanes in Idaho?

Probably not, but a few might have imaginary friends like scarecrows, lions, tin men, and flying monkeys.

Just a few points. Since when was socialism a lifestyle? If you are free, why are there towers inside the compound? finally, "they talk of using a panel to resove disputes: Isn't that, by definition, comunism?

Teufelaffe:Granny_Panties: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Do you get a great many hurricanes in Idaho?

Probably not, but a few might have imaginary friends like scarecrows, lions, tin men, and flying monkeys.

CADMonkey79:So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.

Shiat, I think you give them too much credit. If that map is accurate, there is one inner and outer gate and no other entrance in or out. A couple of local Sheriff's Deputies could just borrow a snow plow from a nearby town, park it in front of the gate and wait a bit.

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures...

So much THIS. Looking at that "citadel" I see a fairy-tale castle that couldn't hold off a determined band of cub scouts. So, no actual experience with defensive structures, just "put up walls and towers". Sheesh. lots of chance of undermining, nevermind what artillery would do. Heck, an RPG would do.

I love how the word "Patriot" now means "someone who hates the government."

As far as the worship of guns that appears there (a museum of firearms? really? how about a temple of firearms?) I think it may have something to do with the preppers who relish pointing out that in the apocalypse, you don't need to know anything about engineering, farming, medicine, or any kind of technology when you can simply take what you want from unarmed people.

Doctor Funkenstein:CADMonkey79: So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.

Shiat, I think you give them too much credit. If that map is accurate, there is one inner and outer gate and no other entrance in or out. A couple of local Sheriff's Deputies could just borrow a snow plow from a nearby town, park it in front of the gate and wait a bit.

You would have to watch our for snipers though. Lots of places for them to hide in those walls.

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lj1330:Just a few points. Since when was socialism a lifestyle? If you are free, why are there towers inside the compound? finally, "they talk of using a panel to resove disputes: Isn't that, by definition, comunism?

Close. Communism is a stateless, classless society in which resources are pooled to the people in greatest need.

Using a panel to resolve disputes is just that: using a panel to resolve disputes.