At Ron Webb,well I m not to judge whether it is jihad to defend Islam on internet or not because I m not a daee,especially for those who does not find time because of other priorities(I m a doctor),I don't certify this as jihad but whatever I can do to spread message of Allah to others,I will do it,I never imagined in my life that I will b doing dawaah(spreading message of Islam to others),thanks to Allah who gave me guidance,I m just 23 years old,maybe I might grow more stronger in the field of Dawaah in future.As rightly said Allah is the best planner(Surah Al Imran ch 3 v 54).previous post was for ronson only,I had some problem with my device I couldn't quote it.on the day of judgement In sha Allah i can say that i atleast tried spreading message of Islam to non Muslims.at experential looking at ur post it seems that U are a regular reader of Qur'an,so U also might b knowing that in several places Allah especially in ch 4 v 48 n 116,Allah says that he can forgive any sin except shirk(worshipping besides Allah).this verse defines the mercy of Allah,ch 28 v 84-if U do a good deed Allah will grant U a reward greater than its merit,if U do a bad deed,Allah either punish U equal to the severity of sin or forgives u if u repent and seek forgiveness.truly Allah is of most merciful and forgiving.

You're only 23. I wish I knew half of what you know when I was
you're age.

Remember what Allah (subhanaho wa ta'ala) said in the Quran:

Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. (6) Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment. (7) And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers. (8) They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not. (9) In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie. (10) And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers." (11) Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not. (12) And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not. (13) And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We believe"; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say, "Indeed, we are with you; we were only mockers." (14) [But] Allah mocks them and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly. (15) Those are the ones who have purchased error [in exchange] for guidance, so their transaction has brought no profit, nor were they guided. (16)Their example is that of one who kindled a fire, but when it illuminated what was around him, Allah took away their light and left them in darkness [so] they could not see. (17) Deaf, dumb and blind - so they will not return [to the right path]. (18) Or [it is] like a rainstorm from the sky within which is darkness, thunder and lightning. They put their fingers in their ears against the thunderclaps in dread of death. But Allah is encompassing of the disbelievers. (19) The lightning almost snatches away their sight. Every time it lights [the way] for them, they walk therein; but when darkness comes over them, they stand [still]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken away their hearing and their sight. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent. (20) O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous - (21)

They say: "In my opinion they should be omitted along with a few other verses that have no place in today's world."

You see NABA, they love how the world is today. It's all nice and dandy for them and they are very comfortable in it. They spend their entire life paying a mortgage and living in debt, slaves owned by the banks, witnessing war after war, wars that they themselves pay for, savaging and terrorising people all around in "today's world". The death and destruction that is a daily routine over and over. A "today's world" with a monetary system designed to abuse and reap everything they own. A society that sexualises everything, promotes fornication, porn, same sex marriage, materialism, violence, anti family, anti marriage, anti children... A "modern" world that advertises everything bad for them. A dysfunctional world... That's their world. And yet, they have the audacity to speak against the messenger (salla Allah alayhi wasallam). It's as Allah (subhanaho wa ta'ala) said, they are deaf, dumb and blind.

This is the world they blindly defend... "today's world"! If only they knew how naïve they are.

Yes, they are! Saying that they are not Muslims is running away
from your responsibility to condemn jihadists and their actions. It's
especially important that believing and practicing Muslims, such as
yourself, condemn these people - for the sake of both Muslims and
non-Muslims.

Did you read what NABA wrote? You even quoted the part where he condemns those so called jihadists. Why are you telling him to condemn them even though he did already? Everyone can see it. Why can't you? He even told you that they are "buildings their place in the hell".

I'll quote what NABA said and make it easier for you to read in big, red and bold letters. Just incase you missed it from your post... Here it is again:

Originally posted by NABA

...jihad means to strive and struggle.a
common man doing hard work to feed his family,this is jihad,a wife
taking care of whole household,this is jihad.those people who call
themselves jihadists and cause terror among innocent human beings are
not Muslims,they are those who are buildings their place in the
hell.

thanx A lot rational,because it seems like ringing a bell in front of a cow when U R talking with W.S.he only read Qur'an to criticize it.he says I m avoiding his thread but the fact is the last post on his thread I.e does Islam need to evolve was mine,talking about dumb and blind people,Allah says in Qur'an in Surah Al Ghaashiya ch 88 v 21-22,over job is to convey the message,giving guidance to people is in Allah's hand.whatever other people say I will do dawaah till the rest of my life,this is especially for W.S. who is becoming rude with every reply,I can also be agressive,but Allah says in Surah Al Nahl ch 16 v 125-invite people to the way of Lord with wisdom and argue with them in the best possible manner.W.S. should b thankful that Allah is merciful,Allah says in Surah Al Faatir ch 35 v 45-if Allah start punishing human beings for their every sin,no human can survive on this earth,truly Allah is merciful.and being peaceful doesn't mean that to b peaceful all the time,for eg if someone try to kill me with a knife,I will not standby and allow him to do,I will fight,similarly u said prophet was military officer,the job of military officer is to fight and defend.prophet Muhammad S.A.W was the best man in the human history,he famously says-a man is not strong with his external looks,real strong man is the one who is able to control anger,if everybody starts handling their anger then there will b less fights and hence less massacre.

Yes, they are! Saying that they are not Muslims is running away from your responsibility to condemn jihadists and their actions. It's especially important that believing and practicing Muslims, such as yourself, condemn these people - for the sake of both Muslims and non-Muslims.

Did you read what NABA wrote? You even quoted the part where he condemns those so called jihadists. Why are you telling him to condemn them even though he did already? Everyone can see it. Why can't you? He even told you that they are "buildings their place in the hell".

He isn't condemning them where it matters, in mainstream public forums where the people are who actually need to read it. That was my point in my opening post. It's all very well for Muslims to stay in their own tight-knit communities like this forum and condemn extremism to each other, but it does nothing to redeem the reputation of Islam in the eyes of the world at large.

The only (self-proclaimed) Muslims we ever hear from are the ones who fly planes into buildings and blow themselves up in crowded places, and the others who celebrate and praise such atrocities. If you don't mind these people speaking for you, then continue to do nothing about it. Just don't be surprised when you find yourself in the most hated religion in the world. Don't be surprised when the phrase "the religion of peace" is used as an ironic joke.

At Ron,look yes U R right at ur place,that condeming extremism within this forum,will not change much,but at least I have started in this forum as I in my earlier post,that I had never imagined that I could talk about Islam to non Muslims,its Allah's plan that he gave me guidance at right time,and at least i had started talking to few non Muslims,in Sha Allah i will do this on large scale,Islam is not at all the hated religion,if U want to study any religion don't look at the individuals go to the scriptures,so its unfortunate because of few blacksheeps in the community Islam is being blamed which is illogical,because meaning of word Islam is acquiring peace by submitting will to Allah.

A tribal world-view is one where loyalty to the tribe outweighs any other value. To publicly condemn the actions of a fellow tribesman, no matter how criminal or insane, is seen as nothing short of treason. No ifs, no buts.

God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.

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