The main point of my post was that Kraid is the 2nd most likely Metroid rep to be added after Ridley. Since the discussion's already taken off on what the new Metroid character should be. I can see Kraid and Ridley being in the same game, but if for some reason Ridley isn't in but they want another Metroid character(hey, it's sakurai), then Kraid is the way to go.

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IF Ridley doesn't get in then yes Kraid would be the obvious choice though I am not sure why so many people keep thinking Ridley is entirely done for. Now that I think about it, wouldn't it just make more sense for Samus to be left alone if Ridley doesn't get in.

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It's been explained before, it's because Sakurai was talking about the stage, and not playable characters that people assumed Ridley would be a stage hazard, even the hardcore Ridley fans on Smashboards had that impression. Now Kraid and Samus were alone before, so it's not a problem to have Kraid and Samus as the only Metroid reps.

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REALLY? I was just in the Ridley thread at Smashboards and while they don't think that caption fares well for Ridley a lot of them still think there is a high chance of him being playable. The problem with choosing Ridley over Kraid is obvious isn't it. Ridley is by far more important, more well known and is often considered the second most significant character to the franchise other than Samus herself. This is not a case of Luigi vs. Bowser vs. Peach and many people could argue in fact that one of those is more significant than the others. With Ridley and Kraid however it is entirely different story. Ridley is certainly an important part of Samus' past and has come back to fight her every single time. Tell me, why was Ridley once a Final Boss while Kraid was not, why has Ridley appeared more in other series outside of Metroid than Kraid, I think it is quite obvious. Hell, even Sakurai must know this considering he was one of the only non-playable characters to appear in the Melee opening and had to be fought TWICE in Brawl while Kraid didn't even appear as a trophy in Brawl. Let's be realistic, if Sakurai doesn't pick Ridley, it's most likely going to be no one as the new Metroid rep.

EDIT: Kraid was a final boss in Nintendo Land BUT who was with him, you guessed it Ridley

IF Ridley doesn't get in then yes Kraid would be the obvious choice though I am not sure why so many people keep thinking Ridley is entirely done for. Now that I think about it, wouldn't it just make more sense for Samus to be left alone if Ridley doesn't get in.

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It's been explained before, it's because Sakurai was talking about the stage, and not playable characters that people assumed Ridley would be a stage hazard, even the hardcore Ridley fans on Smashboards had that impression. Now Kraid and Samus were alone before, so it's not a problem to have Kraid and Samus as the only Metroid reps.

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REALLY? I was just in the Ridley thread at Smashboards and while they don't think that caption fares well for Ridley a lot of them still think there is a high chance of him being playable. The problem with choosing Ridley over Kraid is obvious isn't it. Ridley is by far more important, more well known and is often considered the second most significant character to the franchise other than Samus herself. This is not a case of Luigi vs. Bowser vs. Peach and many people could argue in fact that one of those is more significant than the others. With Ridley and Kraid however it is entirely different story. Ridley is certainly an important part of Samus' past and has come back to fight her every single time. Tell me, why was Ridley once a Final Boss, why has Ridley appeared more in other series outside of Metroid than Kraid, I think it is quite obvious. Hell, even Sakurai muat know this considering he was one of the only non-playable characters to appear in the Melee opening and had to be fought TWICE in Brawl while Kraid didn't even appear s a trophy in Brawl. Let's be realistic, if Sakurai doesn't pick Ridley, it's most likely going to be no one as the new Metroid rep.

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Of course, now that things have calmed down, they've all convinced themselves of the possibility of Ridley being playable.

No one is definitely the most likely if Ridley doesn't make it in. But in the chance that he does pick someone other than Ridley(a possibility that was being discussed), then he'd go with Kraid. I don't find it a realistic situation given the circumstances since I doubt Metroid would have 3 reps in the first place, it's just a what-if situation.

Edit: And honestly, I don't even care for Kraid, I was only trying to get a Metroid character discussion going.

Delano 7 is referring to the spaceship of sylux. Sylux popped up quite a bit in MP3 if anyone remembers. In regards to sylux vs ridley, not arguing relevancy here that much is obvious, just saying it would be a alot easier for them to make sylux into a PC than ridley given the nature of the character and how it is similar to samus.

Pretty mad. As cool as the hunters like Sylux and Rundas are none of them have more than 1 appearance and they aren't important/relevant to the Metroid series.

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Well sylux was in 2 games and would translate to a PC better than ridley and kraid, since they actually were playable in MP:H

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Appearances:
-Metroid Prime Hunters
-His ship cameos at the end of Prime 3
-Trophy in Brawl
That's one appearance and 2 incredibly minor ones. Argument=invalid.
Ridley and Kraid have a ton more appearances than Sylux, and have more important roles in the Metroid series.

Delano 7 is referring to the spaceship of sylux. Sylux popped up quite a bit in MP3 if anyone remembers. In regards to sylux vs ridley, not arguing relevancy here that much is obvious, just saying it would be a alot easier for them to make sylux into a PC than ridley given the nature of the character and how it is similar to samus.

Pretty mad. As cool as the hunters like Sylux and Rundas are none of them have more than 1 appearance and they aren't important/relevant to the Metroid series.

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Well sylux was in 2 games and would translate to a PC better than ridley and kraid, since they actually were playable in MP:H

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Appearances:
-Metroid Prime Hunters
-His ship cameos at the end of Prime 3
-Trophy in Brawl
That's one appearance and 2 incredibly minor ones. Argument=invalid.
Ridley and Kraid have a ton more appearances than Sylux, and have more important roles in the Metroid series.

Ganondorf was never playable aside from SSB. I don't get your point.

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If smash bros is just a popularity contest then ice climbers would have never made it or half of the roster for that matter, hell wii fit girl ? I don't see what's not to get. It's not such a farfetched idea either.

Kraid should be in this game since Ridley's chances are uncertain. And before anyone goes on about size:
Size doesn't matter for Kraid.

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Kraid has already featured in Melee as a stage hazard in Brinstar Depths:

in his gigantic Super Metroid form, so I think in theory at least, Ridleys prospects for being a playable character would have to be better than Kraid's at this stage (regardless of the fact that current evidence points to Ridley being a stage hazard rather than a playable character in the recently unveiled Pyrosphere stage).

Preferably not, only 2 Metroid appearances (Prime 2 and 3) plus a prime 1 cameo at the end, if I remember correctly. After those 3 are included, I don't think Metroid necessarily needs another character, especially if there are no more new/important characters left to include.

Well sylux was in 2 games and would translate to a PC better than ridley and kraid, since they actually were playable in MP:H

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Appearances:
-Metroid Prime Hunters
-His ship cameos at the end of Prime 3
-Trophy in Brawl
That's one appearance and 2 incredibly minor ones. Argument=invalid.
Ridley and Kraid have a ton more appearances than Sylux, and have more important roles in the Metroid series.

Ganondorf was never playable aside from SSB. I don't get your point.

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If smash bros is just a popularity contest then ice climbers would have never made it or half of the roster for that matter, hell wii fit girl ? I don't see what's not to get. It's not such a farfetched idea either.

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When did I ever say smash was a popularity contest? I disagree with that statement myself!!

Even so, Sylux is still not comparable to WFT and Ice Climbers. Popularity matters less with retro and wtf characters than it does with main series characters. All said and done, Sylux simply isn't a Nintendo allstar.

Does anyone have that quote from sakurai saying ridley was impossible? I can't seem to find a source anywhere...

Edit: Yea, this is pretty old but still

NP: There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration? S: I think that would probably be impossible.[laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that have been all right? [laughs]

Does anyone have that quote from sakurai saying ridley was impossible? I can't seem to find a source anywhere...

Edit: Yea, this is pretty old but still

NP: There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration? S: I think that would probably be impossible.[laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that have been all right? [laughs]

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Just like how an Animal Crossing character was impossible because it wouldn't fit in a fighting game?

Does anyone have that quote from sakurai saying ridley was impossible? I can't seem to find a source anywhere...

Edit: Yea, this is pretty old but still

NP: There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration? S: I think that would probably be impossible.[laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that have been all right? [laughs]

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Just like how an Animal Crossing character was impossible because it wouldn't fit in a fighting game?

If you all were Sakurai, what totally unforeseen characters would you include? Those characters that no one saw coming - like WFT, Ivysaur, Wolf, etc...

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@TBgamerDragon I don't think yours are ones no one saw coming, just ones considered unlikely or ones not brought up much. For me, I would add Henry from Fire Emblem: Awakening. Would have the best battle lines.

If you all were Sakurai, what totally unforeseen characters would you include? Those characters that no one saw coming - like WFT, Ivysaur, Wolf, etc...

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@TBgamerDragon I don't think yours are ones no one saw coming, just ones considered unlikely or ones not brought up much. For me, I would add Henry from Fire Emblem: Awakening. Would have the best battle lines.

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Those characters are big possible choices but not necessarily ones people would, at least, entirely see coming.

If I had to pick specific ones like that it would be Lethe, Kachi, Professor Oak, Muddy Mole, and Linebeck.

The reason I would be mad if Ridley became a PC was the fact that he appeared in Brawl as a boss and he was freaking huge. Its not a matter of scaling him down or if it would be possible but how could they explain it logically. I mean in one game he is this massive boss character with a ridiculous move set then in the next game he's shrank down to this tiny lizard with who knows what for a move set. It just wouldn't make sense at all and personally I think would be a major flaw with the game.

I hope they don't skip out on MP3. Skytown & Phaaze are both great opportunities for stages. Not to mention that MP3 was fun. Other M, not so much.

If you all were Sakurai, what totally unforeseen characters would you include? Those characters that no one saw coming - like WFT, Ivysaur, Wolf, etc...

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SkyTown would be a great moving stage. If that stage ever became a reality, then I'd imagine that near the end the stage would drop you on the Bomb Pod which would then drop down puncturing the Leviathan Seed. From there, you'd do battle in the Seed which is kind of like a less corrupted version of Phaaze.

If you look at the crack on the top right of the stage, and you look closely, there's a glowing eye on a face that seems eerily similar to Metroid Other M's Ridley..am I just seeing things? Or is that really Ridley?
Just wanted to know everyone else's thoughts on this.

The main point of my post was that Kraid is the 2nd most likely Metroid rep to be added after Ridley. Since the discussion's already taken off on what the new Metroid character should be. I can see Kraid and Ridley being in the same game, but if for some reason Ridley isn't in but they want another Metroid character(hey, it's sakurai), then Kraid is the way to go.

The reason I would be mad if Ridley became a PC was the fact that he appeared in Brawl as a boss and he was freaking huge. Its not a matter of scaling him down or if it would be possible but how could they explain it logically. I mean in one game he is this massive boss character with a ridiculous move set then in the next game he's shrank down to this tiny lizard with who knows what for a move set. It just wouldn't make sense at all and personally I think would be a major flaw with the game.

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Yes, because a game where disembodied hands bring trophies of Nintendo characters to life in order to fight each other to the death is totally meant to be logical.

EDIT: Weren't you the same one that said you didn't want Ridley sized down because of his size comparison to Samus. But Kraid is even BIGGER in comparison to Samus. This is quite hypocritical of you Kirbyfan. Anyways, Ridley is the second most significant character to Metroid so again it really wouldn't make that much sense choosing Kraid or any other character over him for that matter.

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Lol, I changed my mind. Although size is a loose relation currently as to why I don't think Ridley would get in.

Well sylux was in 2 games and would translate to a PC better than ridley and kraid, since they actually were playable in MP:H
Appearances:
-Metroid Prime Hunters
-His ship cameos at the end of Prime 3
-Trophy in Brawl
That's one appearance and 2 incredibly minor ones. Argument=invalid.
Ridley and Kraid have a ton more appearances than Sylux, and have more important roles in the Metroid series.

Ganondorf was never playable aside from SSB. I don't get your point.

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Ganondorf is a human-sized boss, he's different from Ridley. Ridley is meant to be a boss, not a playable character, so it is indeed the nature of the character. Also, Ganon who is much much larger than Link is only a FS transformation in Brawl, and despite appearing in more games, he was replaced by the more human Ganondorf.

Kraid has already featured in Melee as a stage hazard in Brinstar Depths:

in his gigantic Super Metroid form, so I think in theory at least, Ridleys prospects for being a playable character would have to be better than Kraid's at this stage (regardless of the fact that current evidence points to Ridley being a stage hazard rather than a playable character in the recently unveiled Pyrosphere stage).

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Ridley was a boss in Brawl and he was HUGE in SSE, so if you're going use the stage hazard to count out Kraid, then proportionally so should Ridely.

Just like how an Animal Crossing character was impossible because it wouldn't fit in a fighting game?

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At least an Animal Crossing character was in CONSIDERATION during Brawl. That's just an example of Sakurai taking characters he planned in previous Smash game and then giving them a chance, it's nothing new.

The only thing this disproves is the argument that Ridley is too "gritty" for Smash Bros. which no one here in this thread has mentioned yet.

Yes, because a game where disembodied hands bring trophies of Nintendo characters to life in order to fight each other to the death is totally meant to be logical.

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This and the premise of the Metroid series is technologically advanced so a size decrease could be easily explained without sounding out of place.
And besides, they never explained Ridley's sudden growth spurt from NES to SNES...

If you all were Sakurai, what totally unforeseen characters would you include? Those characters that no one saw coming - like WFT, Ivysaur, Wolf, etc...

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I'd put Mike Jones and Gravity Man, two unforseen characters that would light the internet on fire
Oh, and Wolf is not a character that no one saw coming, he's leagues behind WFT and Ivysaur in terms of unpredictability.

Problem? Those are actually some good choices. Especially Isa and Robin. I still don't understand the hate. Is it because I cut Red? Because I did keep your precious Lucario XD LoL

Also I brought up Other M because it appears that the game will affect majority of the Metroid representation. Like Prime 3 and Superwere in Brawl. I meancwe have Other M Samus, which will potentially go to ZSS as well, and a stage from it for Wii U too. So if another character came in it would probably be from there too. Same for ATs, Bosses, Items, etc. Was just a thought though. And once I heard about the rage on GameFaqs I said the hate was basically stupid.

Isa isn't going to be in, neither is Robin, or Gold. Isa is from a very small and unpopular series that might never see a new game, Robin doesn't make sense because it's not important to FE at all (heck I'd take Roy over Robin) and it would be hard to make a moveset for it, and it's gen VI now so I don't see the need to put in a trainer from remake games from the 4th gen, especially when the 1st gen trainer is much more iconic.

Isa brings in a new franchise, with a new moveset. There is no guarantee it is done for good. Sin & Punishment is currently in the same category as the likes of Golden Sun, Punchout, Xenoblade, Advance Wars, and Custom Robo. Also Robin is a new class type for Fire Emblem who, as the Avatar, represent about 3 games and theoritically also relates to the player (like the Villager and Trainer do).

So is the soccer ball/football supposed to be from Wii Fit? Or Strikers Charged?