Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

Originally Posted by Lord Cadillac

Those articles are probably old. It's highly unlikely a V8 will find it's way into the Cadillac ATS-V. I really don't think we're going to see an M3 beater the first time around - just like with the CTS-V. What will set this car apart from the BMW is the interior - which should be phenomenal. The ATS-V will be an excellent all-around performer with impressive creature comforts and technology.

Ummm... The 1st gen CTS-V beat the M3... and the c63... and the RS4. I'm pretty sure that GM will be able to create and M3 beater the first time around with the ATS-V. Considering that the ATS and the 3 series will be released at the same time, I think that it will be a good fair fight.

Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

Originally Posted by JimmyH

Quite so. I agree the TTV6 is probably what will find its way into the V. As long as it has a flat torque curve and a nice sound, I think most enthusiasts will accept it.
What are the rumor mills talking with the reported GM 8-speed these days?

I don't believe the 8-Speed transmission is making it in time for the initial release of the Cadillac ATS.

Originally Posted by lunarx

Thats the transmission, LOL.
The GTR engine is solid and under tuned.

GM V6TT will struggle at 380 and wont have any aftermarket suppprt, except for, maybey............ D3.
GM needs to stay with what they are good at.

If GM gets a twin turbo engine, there will be plenty of aftermarket support for it. It's too easy to tune turbo engines.

Originally Posted by CTSVKINGWAGON

Ummm... The 1st gen CTS-V beat the M3... and the c63... and the RS4. I'm pretty sure that GM will be able to create and M3 beater the first time around with the ATS-V. Considering that the ATS and the 3 series will be released at the same time, I think that it will be a good fair fight.

I have this problem of never comparing the CTS-V to a 3-Series BMW. To me (and many others), the CTS-V is an M5 competitor. Though I know many people also don't agree with that.

Otherwise, the ATS-V was originally supposed to have the new Gen V 6.2 liter V8. It's not completely off the table - just highly unlikely - as mentioned above. General Motors does not have a manual transmission or all wheel drive for the twin turbo V6. So there's a couple more reasons why the V8 is still a possibility...

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Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

I'm pretty sure that was actually a unique 3.5 liter twin turbo V6. I don't know of this engine planned on any production model at this time. There's a new 280 (or so) horsepower turbo four cylinder, a new (more powerful) direct injected 3.6 liter V6 and a new V8 (or two) on the way...

Originally Posted by mikesul

The November issue of Road & Track shows the Caddy concept "Ciel" with a 3.6TT DI engine with 425hp and 450# torque. This would most likely be the ATS-V engine. Car was shown at Pebble Beach show.

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Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

... General Motors does not have a manual transmission or all wheel drive for the twin turbo V6. ...

No MT?!! This would more than likely put the kibosh on me getting an ATS-V.

I'm familiar with the 3.6 as a passenger car engine and of course its use in the CTS. Is it capable of handling north of 400 hp (boosted)? Sure, I know they'd beef up the bottom end, but what about the block itself (assuming GM would want to use it as is currently manufactured)?

Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

Agreeing with Randy.

Come on guys, speak up now or forever hold your peace.
Don't send the message that it's OK for GM to put a sub-standard engine in the ATS.
Let them know you won't buy junk.
If I wanted an over-strained V6TT, what is wrong with the G37 and a GTM Trubo kit?
You will be getting smoked by them if that is what your ATS has.

For me to buy; I need a real engine LS DI V8 with at least 470HP NA and strong aftermarket support.
I would not touch a GM V6TT, because it is not a proven product like an LS based engine.

Can you say SC Northstar or 3800 SC?
Do you really want non-supported lackluster engines like that in your next V?

Also, they must offer a Manual Trans or at least a Dual Clutch SMG if they think manual shifting is such a bad thing.

Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

Originally Posted by rand49er

No MT?!! This would more than likely put the kibosh on me getting an ATS-V.

I'm familiar with the 3.6 as a passenger car engine and of course its use in the CTS. Is it capable of handling north of 400 hp (boosted)? Sure, I know they'd beef up the bottom end, but what about the block itself (assuming GM would want to use it as is currently manufactured)?

The 3.6 that goes into the ATS will be naturally aspirated. It'll be a little more powerful than the current engine in the CTS. With a little luck, the ATS won't be too heavy and we'll have a car that runs with cars like the Infiniti G37.

Originally Posted by lunarx

Agreeing with Randy.

Come on guys, speak up now or forever hold your peace.
Don't send the message that it's OK for GM to put a sub-standard engine in the ATS.
Let them know you won't buy junk.
If I wanted an over-strained V6TT, what is wrong with the G37 and a GTM Trubo kit?
You will be getting smoked by them if that is what your ATS has.

For me to buy; I need a real engine LS DI V8 with at least 470HP NA and strong aftermarket support.
I would not touch a GM V6TT, because it is not a proven product like an LS based engine.

Can you say SC Northstar or 3800 SC?
Do you really want non-supported lackluster engines like that in your next V?

Also, they must offer a Manual Trans or at least a Dual Clutch SMG if they think manual shifting is such a bad thing.

The new 3.6 liter might be enough to power the ATS to compete with the Infiniti G37 - which is where I personally feel it needs to be. The ATS-V is another story. I know everybody wants a V8 - and there's still a possibility that's going to happen - but the next M3 is getting a twin turbo V6. So why not? All I ask of the ATS-V, personally, is to keep up with the new M3. I think that's all Cadillac needs to have a hot selling V. If the TT V6 can do that, than great. But I do understand where you're coming from about the engine not being a proven product like an LS based engine...

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Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

Cadillac would be stupid to not offer a manual in the ATS-V. I don't see them doing that. I think what Sal implied before is there will not be a manual WITH awd. I highly doubt we will see an awd ATS-V at all though. Even though the auto will most certainly highly outsell the manual, they have to offer it, or they will alienate alot of buyers. Even if they only sell 1000 over a few years, it's worth it to offer it.

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Aside from the V6TT possibly having "enough" power......

We need an authoritative V8 exhaust note.
When is the last time you got excited about how a V6 sounds?
Although the G37 is a nice car for the money, it's exhaust note is hideous.
The LS exhaust note is auditory bliss and should rightfully remain the signiture sound for an American performance sedan, especially one with V Series badges.

Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

I'm always saying how I feel a Cadillac should never be just "good enough" - but if it's good enough to be on par with the best in class (BMW M3), than I can deal with it...

Originally Posted by lunarx

Aside from the V6TT possibly having "enough" power......

We need an authoritative V8 exhaust note.
When is the last time you got excited about how a V6 sounds?
Although the G37 is a nice car for the money, it's exhaust note is hideous.
The LS exhaust note is auditory bliss and should rightfully remain the signiture sound for an American performance sedan, especially one with V Series badges.

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Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

I'm always saying how I feel a Cadillac should never be just "good enough" - but if it's good enough to be on par with the best in class (BMW M3), than I can deal with it...

good enough to compare it to the best of the breed? I agree. Have we even guessed that there's even enough room in the ATS for a Small Block? Presumably it's a bit smaller than the CTS now-- and the LSA just bearly squeezes between the impact rails as it is.

Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

You have to believe they designed the space under the hood for it. The compactness probably comes from the firewall back. Look at the Camaro. It's a big car. But the interior is smaller than a 3-series.