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Cavs have obviously lost Z's Bird rights, so they probably aren't going to be able to offer him much more than the biannual exception, which I think is right around $2M. They split the MLE between AP and Moon. The MLE is what they used to re-sign Joe Smith last year.

If it comes down to Z wanting to finish what he started, he's coming back. If it comes down to money, he just might go elsewhere.

Papa Cass wrote:Cavs have obviously lost Z's Bird rights, so they probably aren't going to be able to offer him much more than the biannual exception, which I think is right around $2M. They split the MLE between AP and Moon. The MLE is what they used to re-sign Joe Smith last year.

If it comes down to Z wanting to finish what he started, he's coming back. If it comes down to money, he just might go elsewhere.

I would think LBJ will have something to say about where Z signs in 30 days.

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I really would be completely pontius pilot and wash my hands of Z. Everything indicates he would want to go for the ring with the team in best position to win it that he's spent 100% of his career with....if an extra couple bucks is worth THAT much to him, then i've no use. It's not like there aren't 4-5 bigs on this team anyway.

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We could've given McDyess more money last year too but that didn't happen. He wanted to return to Detroit.

Z is most likely to want to return to the only team's he's ever known in the NBA. I'd bet he asks to be bought out by the Wiz. Cavs couldn't say anything to Z, but he knows they hope to get him back and that they only traded him to improve their chances.

If the Cavs get a ring then Z should be there. I think he knows this is a great shot for them and he's been such a huge part of the Cavs for over a decade, through foot problems and all.

Z gets bought out then he's in a Cavs uniform 30 days later, no doubt on that one.

And if he doesn't, we shouldn't lose sleep over it. What we were worried about was trading Z to a team that wouldn't buy him out, and that's not what happened.

The Cavs paid Z a lot of money and helped him through his injuries. His family lives here, he's friends with most of the team, and the Cavs now look like the favorite to win the whole thing. If a little more money is worth more to him than that, then that's on him, not us.

You're a Cleveland sports hypocrite if you support throwing Z overboard and not wanting him to return as the Cavs are on the brink of their best shot at a championship AND you whine, moan, and bitch about CC, Cliff Lee, Manny, Thome, the Browns, et al, leaving town. Can't have it both ways.

GodHatesClevelandSports wrote:You're a Cleveland sports hypocrite if you support throwing Z overboard and not wanting him to return as the Cavs are on the brink of their best shot at a championship AND you whine, moan, and bitch about CC, Cliff Lee, Manny, Thome, the Browns, et al, leaving town. Can't have it both ways.

your logic sucks, and here's why:

i don't see a single poster saying they DON'T want him back. but if he decides to go elsewhere? hey man, that's his choice. an i supposed to cry about a guy who's made $130 million in his lifetime?

CC, and Cliff Lee were traded. So who whined about them leaving? was it our fault?

and the browns leaving town? you're seriously trying to say that is on the same level as this?

grow up.

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Z just had a 600k escalator kick in cause of the trade. He's made like 100 mill the last 6 years. He has two young kids he just adopted, and at 37, would prolly love a month off eating at Lola every night.

Plus, I guarantee Gilbert made a nice donation to his favorite charity to get him to take the month off and come back to the team.

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PDcavsinsider: Warning. Rumors out there that Wizards are involved in three-way talks with Miami and Utah. Ilgauskas could get traded again. (2 minutes ago from web)

"At least the Scots didn't have to tune in with the rest of the country and watch their women get plowed by Longshanks and his men."~Commodore Perry on the difference between baseball's flawed economics : Indians :: prima nocta : Scots

PDcavsinsider: Warning. Rumors out there that Wizards are involved in three-way talks with Miami and Utah. Ilgauskas could get traded again. (2 minutes ago from web)

Just don't see it. The main piece is going to be Boozer to Miami. Washington shouldn't have to matchup salaries with that. They're probably in it to take on expiring's or filler and get a draft pick for the trouble. No way they're getting $10 million in contracts to unload Z's expiring, which they've coveted since Finger Guns did his thing.

PDcavsinsider: Warning. Rumors out there that Wizards are involved in three-way talks with Miami and Utah. Ilgauskas could get traded again. (2 minutes ago from web)

That would be awesome, absolutely awesome.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

"We feel that we were able to acquire a quality young player in Al, a first round draft choice and a young prospect while putting ourselves in a much better position in terms of the salary cap," said Grunfeld.

he doesnt even mention where Z would fit with the team or how Z was part of the trade other than cap space.

Those deals take hours to do and I just don't see it makes any sense for the Wiz.

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rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Just don't see it. The main piece is going to be Boozer to Miami. Washington shouldn't have to matchup salaries with that. They're probably in it to take on expiring's or filler and get a draft pick for the trouble. No way they're getting $10 million in contracts to unload Z's expiring, which they've coveted since Finger Guns did his thing.

Not to mention that both those teams would be just as likely to buy him out. Not sure if anyone else has noticed but Z isn't exactly geared to run with Wade or match up in the West.

johnhollinger: Looks like Wash just got under the luxury tax and won't need Z's help to get there ... @MrMichaelLee says they're paying Sac to take McGuire (3 minutes ago from web)

NOOOWWW, the Bullets can say

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WojYahooNBA: Wiz will still buyout Ilgauskas, source says, but they've created lot of leverage by getting under tax. He'll have to pay for his freedom. (1 minute ago from web)

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CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:That was his point Scott. Thw Wiz now dont need to buy out Z and therefore can say F U to the Cavs.

Except why would they? If they wanted to screw us they'd have never given us Jamo for free in the first place.

Plus I'm not convinced that thier interests rest soley on getting under the Tax line....money is money, it might not be worth double now, but let's not get carried away thinking they have nothing to gain by buying him out.....

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:That was his point Scott. Thw Wiz now dont need to buy out Z and therefore can say F U to the Cavs.

Except why would they? If they wanted to screw us they'd have never given us Jamo for free in the first place.

Plus I'm not convinced that thier interests rest soley on getting under the Tax line....money is money, it might not be worth double now, but let's not get carried away thinking they have nothing to gain by buying him out.....

Kind of. They were barely into the tax before this move; McGuire's salary is 825k, so at most they were only that far into it, and likely not the entire amount. So the most they save in not paying the tax is 825k, but let's say it's 500k.

But, tax revenues are distributed evenly to all teams under, not weighted by amount under. So they are already getting that money. Z could have taken a buyout that would have taken them right under the tax line and the Wiz would have saved that in salary and tax plus gotten the tax revenue. Now he can only save them salary.

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JCoz wrote:Plus I'm not convinced that thier interests rest soley on getting under the Tax line....money is money, it might not be worth double now, but let's not get carried away thinking they have nothing to gain by buying him out.....

Right. Maybe now he just gets bought out for 2 mil savings that he'll make back with the new contract rather than 1 mil savings so he can score cash but he'll still get bought out. They have bigs they want to get time on the floor and at this point they're not about to care whether or not Z gets to sit on the bench for a playoff run.

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:That was his point Scott. Thw Wiz now dont need to buy out Z and therefore can say F U to the Cavs.

Except why would they? If they wanted to screw us they'd have never given us Jamo for free in the first place.

Plus I'm not convinced that thier interests rest soley on getting under the Tax line....money is money, it might not be worth double now, but let's not get carried away thinking they have nothing to gain by buying him out.....

Kind of. They were barely into the tax before this move; McGuire's salary is 825k, so at most they were only that far into it, and likely not the entire amount. So the most they save in not paying the tax is 825k, but let's say it's 500k.

But, tax revenues are distributed evenly to all teams under, not weighted by amount under. So they are already getting that money. Z could have taken a buyout that would have taken them right under the tax line and the Wiz would have saved that in salary and tax plus gotten the tax revenue. Now he can only save them salary.

I think to look at this clearly we'd have to know how much they could potentially save..

he's probably got a bit more than 5 mil left this season to be paid....

For HIM to not lose money he'd have to get a buyout of at least 3 mil from the wiz, saves them 2 million dollars....how much did they pay to get McGuire off the books?

JCoz wrote:Plus I'm not convinced that thier interests rest soley on getting under the Tax line....money is money, it might not be worth double now, but let's not get carried away thinking they have nothing to gain by buying him out.....

Right. Maybe now he just gets bought out for 2 mil savings that he'll make back with the new contract rather than 1 mil savings so he can score cash but he'll still get bought out. They have bigs they want to get time on the floor and at this point they're not about to care whether or not Z gets to sit on the bench for a playoff run.

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:That was his point Scott. Thw Wiz now dont need to buy out Z and therefore can say F U to the Cavs.

Except why would they? If they wanted to screw us they'd have never given us Jamo for free in the first place.

Plus I'm not convinced that thier interests rest soley on getting under the Tax line....money is money, it might not be worth double now, but let's not get carried away thinking they have nothing to gain by buying him out.....

Kind of. They were barely into the tax before this move; McGuire's salary is 825k, so at most they were only that far into it, and likely not the entire amount. So the most they save in not paying the tax is 825k, but let's say it's 500k.

But, tax revenues are distributed evenly to all teams under, not weighted by amount under. So they are already getting that money. Z could have taken a buyout that would have taken them right under the tax line and the Wiz would have saved that in salary and tax plus gotten the tax revenue. Now he can only save them salary.

I think to look at this clearly we'd have to know how much they could potentially save..

he's probably got a bit more than 5 mil left this season to be paid....

For HIM to not lose money he'd have to get a buyout of at least 3 mil from the wiz, saves them 2 million dollars....how much did they pay to get McGuire off the books?

Right, all I'm saying is that he has less leverage now because he doesn't save them money in any way except by cutting salary. Whereas before, a small decrease in his salary to get just below the cap had a very large effect.

They can potentially save his entire salary if he agrees to a buyout of $0. Or they could save nothing if they just release him. Or any amount in between. It doesn't matter, the only point is Z has less leverage now.

The amount they paid to get rid of McGuire is irrelevant to this. The only ramification is that Z will get a smaller buyout from the Wiz.

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