<quoted text>The Australian Gun Ban"The overall trend in the incidence of homicide has remained stable over the 17-year period since the Australian Institute of Criminology began monitoring in 1989."http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/77/Over the past 17 years, the rate of homicide has fluctuated by 0.7 per 100,000 persons. In fact, in the last year's data there was a FOURTEEN PERCENT INCREASEhttp://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/77/So only the method of murder has changed.

no there is greater police reporting of assault and sexual assault because of our change to our court system to be user friendlyour actual victimisation From 1998 to 2005 assault increased slightly from 3% to 5%. In 2005All sexual assault remained relatively stable during the same period (less than 1%). http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2007...

Since the gun controlgun death down 40%murder down 25%robbery down 30%theft down 15%car theft down 50%burglary down 40%

re travel: a newspaper beatup..aust is a safe and popular tourist destination for the japanese, after all, we are the world's number one chosen destination usa has aus as its top destination toohttp://www.smh.com.au/news/news/sydney-ranked...

You just seemed to completely ignore my last response. Which is something I would like to call everyone's attention to:First Jack tries to claim that Washington DC has low crime rates thanks to the gun ban using crime stats from Washington state.

Then, when corrected, Jack continues to make his argument by only pulling out a section of the stats, without regard to all of the stats.

When I bring the rest of the stats into the discussion, showing a relationship between them, he accuses me of twisting the facts.

When asked why the gun ban would have taken approx 20 years to lower crime rates (they raised during that 20 year period) and contrasting DCs high crime rates to the very low crime rates of states with far less strict firearm laws, Jack drops the argument like a hot potato.

Now, if memory serves me, this is the second time I've had a conversation with Jack about DC.(Unfortunately for Jack, he apparently doesn't remember that I'm the one who blew his claims out of the water last time)

This is what he does. When his claims are shot down by irrefutable facts, he simply ignores the topic entirely.

After a while, perhaps in another thread, he will attempt to make the exact same argument again using the exact same refuted "evidence" to support his claims, even though he knows it to be false.

Jack has absolutely no interest in the truth.

He simply wants to win an argument.

As illustrated earlier with his misquoting Guns to try to prove his point, he has absolutely no reservations of twisting things to support his claims, all the while accusing us of twisting facts...

All of you who are not sure which side of the debate you are on should ask yourselves now: Do I really want to be on the side that must lie to prove their point?

Do I really want to be on th side that must resort to ridiculing the opposition in a futile effort to win an argument?

Do I really want to be on the side that has absolutely no regard for what is true?

<quoted text>Regarding .308 caliber main battle rifles, the C.E.T.M.E., the HK91/G3 and the FN FAL charging handles do not allow the operator to "struck to force the bolt forward".To carry it even further to other weapons, neither do the Uzi submachine gun or the HK submachine guns. The relevenance of mentioning submachine guns is that the M16/AR15 also comes in pistol calibers. I'm going to step out on a limb and make an assumption, but I'd bet that factory 9mm Colt M16 submachine guns don't come from the factory with the forward assist feature.

The only AR style rifles that I am aware of that do not have a forward assist are the Armalite AR-10s. In reference to the G3, unless I'm mistaken, the charging handle is much easier to reach with the support hand than the AR charging handle, so it can be more easily manipulated. Most firearms, the bolt can be shoved into place using the charging handle in a pinch.

Bald guy, maybe what you should get is a nice DSARms STG58 version of the FN FAL, if you like .308.I have a SAR48 Springfield version on an Embel reciever and behind me on the work bench is a beautiful Austrian STG58 parts kit I want to assemble on a DSArms reciever if I ever get the cash to get started.I'd recomend the FN FAL type rifle if you were going to buy only one main battle rifle type rifle. Of course, those M-1A Springfields are supreme as well and you can hit that charging handle to get the bolt to go forward if you want...but I don't think you'll ever need to.The only thing with those is that you'll have to use your trigger hand to get to it. With the FAL/STG48, the charging handle is on the left side as well as all the other bells and whistles.

Honestly, if I were looking for a rifle to use defensively, I'd probably go with an AK. I do own an AR-15, but it's more of a toy than anything. ARs require too much maintenance and the reliability of the average AR just isn't good enough for me to consider them reliable. I have heard that replacing the gas tube with a gas piston helps reliability out drastically...

I already picked a site. It got it's info from Australia's government's website. Are you saying that the Australian government is completely clueless as to the make-up of it's population? I'm not playing your games Jack. I cited the information, and your screeching that it is a "yankee" site simply does not refute the information contained in the site. Grow up.

<quoted text>Honestly, if I were looking for a rifle to use defensively, I'd probably go with an AK. I do own an AR-15, but it's more of a toy than anything. ARs require too much maintenance and the reliability of the average AR just isn't good enough for me to consider them reliable. I have heard that replacing the gas tube with a gas piston helps reliability out drastically...

I saw on youtube a video of the all time top ten rifles (I don't recall the tv station) but the AK 47 was the No 1 rated! It is an awesome rifle. I've seen 1st hand what it can do.But that being said I am still seriously considering a DPMS in 308 a sport hunting model. But I will look at the AK 47 if they have one. The price is $200.00 less for the AK 47 in the models I am considering.I saw on the web Pelosi and her comrades will be looking to put a ban on assault style weapons in the future. I hope it is wrong.

<quoted text>That kind of surprises me. Still, I don't like the idea of an AR that doesn't have a forward assist.

The 9MM bolt doesn't utilize a system of rotation and lugs to lock the bolt to the chamber as is done in .223 and other rifle calibers of the AR15/M16

Here's a picture that compares the .223 bolt carrier and rotating bolt and the 9MM bolt of an AR15/M16.

There are several reasons why it doesn't need a forward assist:

1) The locking mechanism of the 9MM is spring tension pushing the weight of the bolt home against the chamber mouth, just like is done in semi-auto handguns. Therefore when the bolt scoops up the next round to be fired, the bolt simply has to move forward, it doesn't have to rotate and lock it's lugs into the lugs in the chamber, which requires more momentum to complete successfully.

2) Since the 9MM Colt AR15/M16 is not gas operated, there is no dirty gases being deposited back in the bolt area as is done in the typical Colt AR15/M16 gas system. Therefore fouling from resdiue from firing does not wind up in the bolt area which can lead to more friction.

If I'm not mistaken, those bolts are from full auto M16's, you can tell because the bottom rear of the bolt is not cut off as is in semi versions (at least I think that is what is appearing there). The lower rear portion of the bolt is used to trip the sear to signal the hammer to let go for the next rap of the firing pin.

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