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Monday Open Thread: February 18 is Julia Butterfly Hill's birthday

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February 18 is the 49th day of the year
Prickle-Prickle, Chaos 49, 3185 YOLD (discordian)
And let us not forget 13.0.6.4.10 by the Mayan Long Count

It is trivially easy to prove that there are no non-interesting numbers via a recursive reductio ad absurdum. As a result, it must be the case that both 18 and 49 are interesting numbers, but neither one interests me enough at this moment to spend much time on them here. 18 is the product of a prime and the square of a prime, and 49 is the square of a prime. They add up to 67, also a prime and the sum of 5 consecutive primes. Big W00t! Their product is 882, which is not even remotely prime, but it is the year in which Oleg of Novgorod captured Kiev, and made it his capital, forming the Kievan Rus'.

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The Kievan Rus' is/are largely unknown in the US and little taught here, as is the replacing the 19-year-long Christianization of the "Rus' Khaganate" and its roughly 19 year long Christianiztion which the Kievan Rus' supplanted and replaced. This is, in part, due to a lack of certainty as to exactly who, ethnically, they were and in great part due to the fact that they are the source of the place names "Russia" and "Belarus" and the "Russian" language as in "native speakers of Rus". whose existence must be denied in order to support certain political narratives. The Kievan Rus, and the Rus Kaganate are interesting historical background that is worth looking into, at least a little, IMHO.

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Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift, look out kid, ...

On this day in history:

1268 – The Livonian Order was defeated in the Battle of Rakvere. Like the Teutonic order, their effect on history is underappreciated
1878 – John Tunstall was murdered by Jesse Evans, starting the Lincoln County War in New Mexico.
1885 – Mark Twain's Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was published.
1930 – Clyde Tombaugh discovered Pluto.
1943 – The Nazis arrested the members of the White Rose movement, as governments tend to do with dissidents.
1957 – The British colonial government executed Kenyan rebel leader Dedan Kimathi.
1957 – The last instance of capital punishment in New Zealand.was carried out.
1970 – The Chicago Seven were found not guilty of conspiracy to incite riots.
1972 – The California Supreme Court invalidated California's death penalty.
2001 – FBI agent Robert Hanssen was busted for spying for the Soviet Union instead of spying on peaceniks and lefties.

Another 1.75" yesterday and last night. We're supposed to have a bit of a break today, but more on the way the next several days. After several years of exceptional drought I'm not complaining. I had hoped to transplant a few things this week, but I don't dig if the soil is soaking wet....it ruins the natural structure. So, I'll just have to see how it goes.

@Lookout@Lookout
but none today and none predicted for today. Yy, I guess. Our drought is officially over, hope yours is too. Like you, I am reluctant to get into the garden, wet as it is. Today, with no wrning, we had a mini-freeze - micro ice crystals glistening here and there, and frozen water in the Scrub Jay's feeding station. Birdbath/fountain was trying to freeze, but failed.

Ms. Hill is perhaps better known and more profoundly remembered/admired and/or hated in redwood country than elsewhere, and then secondly, throughout west coast timber country than elsewhere, but she's a hero to many of us.

Have a good one.

Another 1.75" yesterday and last night. We're supposed to have a bit of a break today, but more on the way the next several days. After several years of exceptional drought I'm not complaining. I had hoped to transplant a few things this week, but I don't dig if the soil is soaking wet....it ruins the natural structure. So, I'll just have to see how it goes.

Selection of pledged delegates
Further information: Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2020
The rules stipulate that delegates from candidates who have withdrawn from the race will lose their right to attend and be replaced by delegates pledged to the designated front-runner.

well alrighty then
no withdrawals
or elseEndorsements (read and weep already)

Tony West (born August 12, 1965) is an American lawyer who currently serves as general counsel and Chief Legal Officer at Uber.[1]

Prior to joining Uber, West served as executive vice president of government affairs, general counsel, and corporate secretary for PepsiCo.[2] He also served as president of the PepsiCo Foundation. In addition to supporting the growth and sustainability of PepsiCo's global business for its shareholders, West focused on promoting an ethical and inclusive culture at PepsiCo.[3][4][5] He emphasized that a company must start with an ethical culture to be a long-term, sustainable company.[6] During his tenure, PepsiCo continued to be recognized as one of the world's most ethical companies,[4] increased diversity in both its Office of General Counsel and among its suppliers of outside legal services,[7][5] and signed both the White House Fair Chance Business Pledge[8] and the White House Equal Pay Pledge.[9]

West previously served as the Associate Attorney General of the United States, the third highest-ranking official in the United States Department of Justice; and Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Division, the largest litigating division in the Department of Justice.[10] In September 2014, when Attorney General Eric Holder announced his intention to step down, West was speculated as being a potential successor as the next United States Attorney General

Selection of pledged delegates
Further information: Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2020
The rules stipulate that delegates from candidates who have withdrawn from the race will lose their right to attend and be replaced by delegates pledged to the designated front-runner.

well alrighty then
no withdrawals
or elseEndorsements (read and weep already)

Tony West (born August 12, 1965) is an American lawyer who currently serves as general counsel and Chief Legal Officer at Uber.[1]

Prior to joining Uber, West served as executive vice president of government affairs, general counsel, and corporate secretary for PepsiCo.[2] He also served as president of the PepsiCo Foundation. In addition to supporting the growth and sustainability of PepsiCo's global business for its shareholders, West focused on promoting an ethical and inclusive culture at PepsiCo.[3][4][5] He emphasized that a company must start with an ethical culture to be a long-term, sustainable company.[6] During his tenure, PepsiCo continued to be recognized as one of the world's most ethical companies,[4] increased diversity in both its Office of General Counsel and among its suppliers of outside legal services,[7][5] and signed both the White House Fair Chance Business Pledge[8] and the White House Equal Pay Pledge.[9]

West previously served as the Associate Attorney General of the United States, the third highest-ranking official in the United States Department of Justice; and Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Division, the largest litigating division in the Department of Justice.[10] In September 2014, when Attorney General Eric Holder announced his intention to step down, West was speculated as being a potential successor as the next United States Attorney General

@eyo
over our yard and then we begin beating it back. I've already pulled a bunch, but that doesn't help at all. We start with the plantings, and then spread, and it takes all summer .

Thanks for the morning music.

You'll not that the dem party rules are a revision of old established practice, which is that withdrawing candidates can pledge their delegates to the remaining candidate of their choice, while now they go to the pre-selected establishment conservadem who will be the presumed front-runner most of the time. Fuck 'em.

Selection of pledged delegates
Further information: Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2020
The rules stipulate that delegates from candidates who have withdrawn from the race will lose their right to attend and be replaced by delegates pledged to the designated front-runner.

well alrighty then
no withdrawals
or elseEndorsements (read and weep already)

Tony West (born August 12, 1965) is an American lawyer who currently serves as general counsel and Chief Legal Officer at Uber.[1]

Prior to joining Uber, West served as executive vice president of government affairs, general counsel, and corporate secretary for PepsiCo.[2] He also served as president of the PepsiCo Foundation. In addition to supporting the growth and sustainability of PepsiCo's global business for its shareholders, West focused on promoting an ethical and inclusive culture at PepsiCo.[3][4][5] He emphasized that a company must start with an ethical culture to be a long-term, sustainable company.[6] During his tenure, PepsiCo continued to be recognized as one of the world's most ethical companies,[4] increased diversity in both its Office of General Counsel and among its suppliers of outside legal services,[7][5] and signed both the White House Fair Chance Business Pledge[8] and the White House Equal Pay Pledge.[9]

West previously served as the Associate Attorney General of the United States, the third highest-ranking official in the United States Department of Justice; and Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Division, the largest litigating division in the Department of Justice.[10] In September 2014, when Attorney General Eric Holder announced his intention to step down, West was speculated as being a potential successor as the next United States Attorney General

at 'wild plant' gardening. That is saying nothing though since those types of plants, commonly known as weeds, garden themselves. Plants like dandelion, stinging nettle, prickly pear cactus, and thistle, take care of themselves, so I can claim no credit. I do though, harvest them at times. I really enjoy wild plant harvesting, it makes you appreciate that gift.

Your discussion of Oxalis brought this on and I went to the tubes to check out Stinging nettle in more detail (not related, but that's how my mind works). I have read about stinging nettle before and have been using it in my soup stock for some time but I just found out that it can be dangerous for dogs (not in stock, but on their skin). https://www.wikihow.com/Identify-Stinging-Nettle
So thanks for that tangent you inadvertently sent me on, it was very helpful.

Thanks for the OT this morning. I have butterflies on the mind...Julia Butterfly...etc. Our butterfly garden here is hopefully brewing. I hope to see some tiny little plants coming up soon. I have more milkweed seeds in the fridge getting ready for a planting. My fennel and dill will be donated to caterpillars...provided they sprout.
Here's to insects and little creepy crawly things....we need them.

@randtntx
all of oxalis' putative uses if it would stay the hell out of our yard and garden. You can't kill it unless you remove and replace all of your topsoil, then, a lone volunteer and off it goes. ptui!

We have a milkweed that we cannot be certain isn't "bad milkweed" and need to find a certified groovy replacement. We had quite a patch of it going. Dill and fennel we don't plant, but we'll gladly share any parsley that comes up with the butterfly/caterpiller species that love it.

have a good one.

at 'wild plant' gardening. That is saying nothing though since those types of plants, commonly known as weeds, garden themselves. Plants like dandelion, stinging nettle, prickly pear cactus, and thistle, take care of themselves, so I can claim no credit. I do though, harvest them at times. I really enjoy wild plant harvesting, it makes you appreciate that gift.

Your discussion of Oxalis brought this on and I went to the tubes to check out Stinging nettle in more detail (not related, but that's how my mind works). I have read about stinging nettle before and have been using it in my soup stock for some time but I just found out that it can be dangerous for dogs (not in stock, but on their skin). https://www.wikihow.com/Identify-Stinging-Nettle
So thanks for that tangent you inadvertently sent me on, it was very helpful.

Thanks for the OT this morning. I have butterflies on the mind...Julia Butterfly...etc. Our butterfly garden here is hopefully brewing. I hope to see some tiny little plants coming up soon. I have more milkweed seeds in the fridge getting ready for a planting. My fennel and dill will be donated to caterpillars...provided they sprout.
Here's to insects and little creepy crawly things....we need them.

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@enhydra lutris
but I probably have some Oxalis around here somewhere, I just haven't recognized it yet. On the bright side you can have a never-ending salad....just don't eat too much of it.
I have my own love-hate relationship with cactus, so I can empathize.

I found out that you are supposed to plant the milkweed that is native. Asclepias curassavica is the tropical variety and may disrupt monarch migration. I bought my seeds from https://parkseed.com/common-milkweed-seeds/p/52153-PK-P1/
The variety I got was Asclepia syriaca. I also bought some Joe Pye Weed seeds. I don't know much about that so we shall see. Supposedly pollinators are fond of both.

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all of oxalis' putative uses if it would stay the hell out of our yard and garden. You can't kill it unless you remove and replace all of your topsoil, then, a lone volunteer and off it goes. ptui!

We have a milkweed that we cannot be certain isn't "bad milkweed" and need to find a certified groovy replacement. We had quite a patch of it going. Dill and fennel we don't plant, but we'll gladly share any parsley that comes up with the butterfly/caterpiller species that love it.

@randtntx
a great deal like Asclepias curassavica. It isn't an exact match, to my eye and limited knowledge and botanical ID skills, but rather than take chances I'd like to find a local, organic, native plant source and go get something that is a sure thing, unless it looks exactly like what I already have. If Berkeley Horticultural nursery is still in business, I might try them, or see if the UC Botannical Garden ever has any on sale.

#4.1 but I probably have some Oxalis around here somewhere, I just haven't recognized it yet. On the bright side you can have a never-ending salad....just don't eat too much of it.
I have my own love-hate relationship with cactus, so I can empathize.

I found out that you are supposed to plant the milkweed that is native. Asclepias curassavica is the tropical variety and may disrupt monarch migration. I bought my seeds from https://parkseed.com/common-milkweed-seeds/p/52153-PK-P1/
The variety I got was Asclepia syriaca. I also bought some Joe Pye Weed seeds. I don't know much about that so we shall see. Supposedly pollinators are fond of both.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

And sadly these assholes haven't changed a bit, only now they subject private school kids to this kind of crap. The moron droning on and on in the documentary also supported Roy Moore. Gee, I wonder why? I think I'll include this in my next essay I'm currently working on.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

And sadly these assholes haven't changed a bit, only now they subject private school kids to this kind of crap. The moron droning on and on in the documentary also supported Roy Moore. Gee, I wonder why? I think I'll include this in my next essay I'm currently working on.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Baking is always good, even when it ruins your diet. Be careful when compensating for the bum collarbone, or any other one-side injury, not to overtax and strain (or worse) the other side. I get into these cycles of ding one side, over compensate, and by the time it is healed, the other side is giving me grief.

Have a good one.

Never really realized how much stuff I do right handed till now. Left arm is Sore as hell...

But enjoyed some old Baking that I loved from when I was a Kid. Always nice to do something fun with my own kids.

and my little comment on the news...

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Just carefully watch their eyes Robin. Hope y'all are making out OK today. I'm almost ecstatic. The transplantation of seedlings in to their own pots yesterday seems to be a success.Brought them up from the basement to a south facing window in the kitchen. Touch and go there for awhile. Used chop sticks to support the floppies, fed them B12 to ease the transition, played mellow jazz and gave them a grow light. Seem to be standing so far!
Sleet, snow and power drops today. Have a fire and cooking Boston baked beans.
Life can be good sometimes.

@QMS
try to start indoors, but I'm reluctant because I have extremely few seeds of the chosen varieties. I built a grow lamp station years ago, it is in the shed since it lost its counter space in the garage - perhaps I should remedy that. Hmmm. OTOH, the garage is unheated, so it is arguably no better than a cold frame, if it is even that good. Mellow Jazz sounds like a good thing, or perhaps "Mozart for Morning Coffee".

One of the species I'm tempted to start is taprooted, and, per the package, goes into the ground in April, so it is probably too soon to start it, but that April target date is almost certainly for some other distant climate zone.

Hope you enjoy your beans. Never a favorite of mine, too sweet. I prefer mine seriously savory or, or course, hot. A chacun son gout.

Have a great one.

Just carefully watch their eyes Robin. Hope y'all are making out OK today. I'm almost ecstatic. The transplantation of seedlings in to their own pots yesterday seems to be a success.Brought them up from the basement to a south facing window in the kitchen. Touch and go there for awhile. Used chop sticks to support the floppies, fed them B12 to ease the transition, played mellow jazz and gave them a grow light. Seem to be standing so far!
Sleet, snow and power drops today. Have a fire and cooking Boston baked beans.
Life can be good sometimes.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Doobie Brothers, my First concert back in the day, won tickets off the Local radio station.
I was twelve at the time, had to ride with my sister and her boyfriend. Ended up right in front of the stage singing along to Most of the songs and dancing. Good Times, then.
Hard freeze here with two more inches of snow at our elevation, clear and sunny, though, for the first time in weeks.
I hope everyone has whatEver kind of day they wish to have.

@Tall Bald and Ugly
was either Kingston Trio or Limelighters because concerts, back then, were for listening. Rock was mostly for dancing and done in "halls" and such as opposed to auditoriums. I remember a few at the War Memorial (San Diego), but not the bands, until, I guess, the Kingsmen. My first real rock concert would've been once I got to Berkeley and would'be been Country Joe and the Fish, The Grateful Dead, Big Brother, The Airplane, Quicksilver or somebody like that, probably a double or triple bill. Once I got up here things became something of a blur and all ran together.

Hard freeze would be bad news here, but we would've been warned. I guess it depends upon if your're ready for it. Some plants love it. Good that you have sun, it always brightens the day.

Have a good one.

Doobie Brothers, my First concert back in the day, won tickets off the Local radio station.
I was twelve at the time, had to ride with my sister and her boyfriend. Ended up right in front of the stage singing along to Most of the songs and dancing. Good Times, then.
Hard freeze here with two more inches of snow at our elevation, clear and sunny, though, for the first time in weeks.
I hope everyone has whatEver kind of day they wish to have.

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@eyo
about burning the planet to get there. How about recognizing environmental justice? And who can go to this convergence? If they held this in inner-city Detroit, inner-city Chicago, inner-city everywhere I might feel some respect. Otherwise...no.

Frost here too. Windy. No rain on the horizon. Oxalis always comes in the spring. I ignore it and it dies back but the bulbs are everywhere in the soil if you dig. Was told not to eat it but I guess in small bits it’s okay. Chickens love it. My friend takes bunches home with her for them. Nasturtiums and borage both volunteer here and are good in salads. Yum. Have a best one...

@magiamma
chew on the flower stems, only, but that was short lived. IIIrc, Borage is supposed to be great for "chop and drop" mulching, but needs full sun, which is pretty much absent in our yard.

Have a good one.

et al.

Frost here too. Windy. No rain on the horizon. Oxalis always comes in the spring. I ignore it and it dies back but the bulbs are everywhere in the soil if you dig. Was told not to eat it but I guess in small bits it’s okay. Chickens love it. My friend takes bunches home with her for them. Nasturtiums and borage both volunteer here and are good in salads. Yum. Have a best one...

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They are one of the tropical Longwing (Heliconian) butterflies like the Zebra often seen at butterfly cages, zoos, events, etc.. But their wings are even longer and narrower. Perhaps 4" across wingspan, very impressive in person. Julia butterflies in the U.S. are found mostly just in south to central Texas and southern Florida.

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