i dont wanna involve myself too much in this rehash of the same 'ol rm weekly racial debate, but i just want to point out, that in recent memory, i dont think anyone's been physically confronted over racism in a battle

just saying, lets not act like someone is gonna get checked for racism during or post battle

honestly im white, i cant really say who can or cant say it and when. my opinion is wayyy too third party. i have black friends. see people equally, but i have to realize that there is people who act like idiots and are racist which is why people react.

i aint saying it in a rap battle thats for sure... there will never be a point to that imo

the word "cracker" isnt really offensive to me. because its only a word.

now if someone genuinely hates me becaue of my skin color and uses that word to convey feeling towards me? then im offended.
(not really, cause unless im in danger because of it i could care less if someone likes me cause im white. racist people are whack n i dont need that kind of attitude in my life lol.)

word are meaningless imo. its the intent behind them that make them potentially offensive ect.

If anything being a ginge gives you much more understanding of what its like to be picked on pointed out for something you was born like.....

Most of us aint ginger and so we make fun of em sometimes at school quite brutally for something they couldnt help....I could understand a ginger person being offended enough to scrap over being called it while most of us wouldnt accept the word as a slur, only a 'description'

White people as a race, unless they grew up in an ethnic area, are not confronted with being 'different' from the earliest days of development and memory so its easy to say "its just a word, who cares, get over it" and there is no way for them to understand the impact of deep psychological trauma caused when it brings up memories of white kids chanting racial slurs and noticing your not the same as others and all that shit....

It makes sense tho that white people in general wouldnt be sensitive to the word or ever really understands what its like, just like most of us will never understand the big deal on calling someone a gingeminge or something

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wow stfu with all that.

because im white ive never been singled out? lmaooooo

there is other things than hair and skin color that seperates you from people. acting like white people are above adversity. like were born perfect so we cant really understand how a hard life can be

your annoying sometimes. i feel like your pissed that white people cant understand your circumstances but your being just as ignorant to our perspective.

also never made fun of a kid with red hair actually lmao.

and definitely dont know what a peckerwood is or whatever.. someone hook it up with definition?

until then??? ... I've seen white people ... half white people ... asians and spanish people get fucked up over saying "nigga" ... but more to your point, I've seen a couple white people catch a bad one in the middle of a freestyle/performance ... not specifically in a battle, but I've never been present for a white person saying "nigga" in a battle

People have been saying to the right ones in a friendly enviorment ... Casper got checked, but yall won't see it on youtube

by the way, I'm NOT saying whether someone should say it or not ... I'm just saying

He said hip hop was a black art form, even though rap is a form of hip hop, and battling is a form of rap, look at the majority of battlers out there....More white people than any other race....There's a reason for that though, Black people can be both good battlers, and good hip hop artists, most white people can only battle....Thats why most black people focus on music, and most white people focus on battling

First of all... everyone gets shitted on in battles with all kinds of racial slurs (including white people) but nobody makes a deal about anything unless use of the n-bomb is made by a white person. People of other races drop the n-bomb all the time but it only ever gets attention coming from a white guy.

In battle rap there are supposed to be no out of bounds... and there isn't until that exact situation happens. I don't understand the sensitivity. It's a true double standard.

If the word is so damn offensive stop using it alltogether. Just because you're black doesn't mean you should use the word either. If you are offended by what it represents then it should be offensive coming from black peoples mouths too.

i dont wanna involve myself too much in this rehash of the same 'ol rm weekly racial debate, but i just want to point out, that in recent memory, i dont think anyone's been physically confronted over racism in a battle

just saying, lets not act like someone is gonna get checked for racism during or post battle

First of all... everyone gets shitted on in battles with all kinds of racial slurs (including white people) but nobody makes a deal about anything unless use of the n-bomb is made by a white person. People of other races drop the n-bomb all the time but it only ever gets attention coming from a white guy.

In battle rap there are supposed to be no out of bounds... and there isn't until that exact situation happens. I don't understand the sensitivity. It's a true double standard.

If the word is so damn offensive stop using it alltogether. Just because you're black doesn't mean you should use the word either. If you are offended by what it represents then it should be offensive coming from black peoples mouths too.

the word "cracker" isnt really offensive to me. because its only a word.

now if someone genuinely hates me becaue of my skin color and uses that word to convey feeling towards me? then im offended.

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Can you actually imagine such a situation where this occurs and it's the word 'cracker' that's upsetting you and not a litany of other hostile words accompanying 'cracker'? I just can't picture it... someone hates me and is not afraid to show it and its the word 'cracker' that really get my goat in the end.

These words being discussed are backed by varying degrees of hostility, 'cracker' is pretty mild. Someone can still be offended if they're called a 'darkie' but that's got less hostility than 'n-(other letters)' because the history of the word is different and its accumulation of meanings has taken another (but not entirely dissimilar) path.

until then??? ... I've seen white people ... half white people ... asians and spanish people get fucked up over saying "nigga" ... but more to your point, I've seen a couple white people catch a bad one in the middle of a freestyle/performance ... not specifically in a battle, but I've never been present for a white person saying "nigga" in a battle

People have been saying to the right ones in a friendly enviorment ... Casper got checked, but yall won't see it on youtube

by the way, I'm NOT saying whether someone should say it or not ... I'm just saying

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i'm not challenging what you say you've seen, but i've never personally seen it.

im actually totally indifferent to this whole thing. i'm just waiting for someone to actually make an example out of someone like i've heard is supposed to be happening for the past 3-4 years.

u know it does become your word when it is used to label you right. i'm sure jewish people still get offended by the word but how much so when its another jew using it. a jewish association to the word is naturally different.

a black person calling another black person with the er or a is the same thing.

what I never understood is why use nigga, why intrude upon us? if dumbfoudead really wanted to follow suit (as in ur example) he'd say tantrum thats my chink, kike or spic respectively.

First of all... everyone gets shitted on in battles with all kinds of racial slurs (including white people) but nobody makes a deal about anything unless use of the n-bomb is made by a white person. People of other races drop the n-bomb all the time but it only ever gets attention coming from a white guy.

In battle rap there are supposed to be no out of bounds... and there isn't until that exact situation happens. I don't understand the sensitivity. It's a true double standard.

If the word is so damn offensive stop using it alltogether. Just because you're black doesn't mean you should use the word either. If you are offended by what it represents then it should be offensive coming from black peoples mouths too.

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"When black people get racist, they say "cracker". When white people get racist, you have to drink out of different water fountains"- D-Lor

even in terms of racist remarks, white people have the better slur! They're put in positions of authority, as opposed to a white person LITERALLY calling a black person a fucking slave. Just Sayin

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That's just not true.
In no way does ****** literally = slave. ****** didn't become a racial slur until slavery was almost over, if not later. It simply meant black. The fact that being black meant, able to be enslaved in southern states for half this country's existence doesn't mean black = slave.
I understand the words a big deal and should probably be treated with respect, maybe more respect than other racial slurs (besides ones against Native Americans, who got an even rawer deal) but you're trying to make it bigger than it is.
Advice for all races and all words
Respect the word. Respect that it can have power. And if you can, refuse to let it have power of you.

Also I want to point out the hypocrisy of battle rap getting all upset over the use of the word ******, when ya'll (not you specifically, never watched you're battles so I can't say) use faggot all the time and that has the exact same effect on a different minority. Food for thought.

Okay, cool, you can keep the topic about the use of short-hand-internet-abbreviations or we can have grown up discussions about the original talk. Let me know when you are ready for big boy discussions.

lmao, i know, but you cant help those people. just be glad you dont know them personally.

i'm sure you know, its easier to make these points to people you know in person, and who matter.

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Real talk, these white people sound like they've been oppressed and disenfranchised by society in not being able to use the most offensive word in America without negative scrutiny, but because black people made it sound cool; it infringes upon their god given right to say it in order to maximize their swag.

I didn't watch this battle or read most of this thread so this has probably been said already, but you're fucking retarded if you think cracker is comparable to any serious racial slur.

White people (as a whole) were never oppressed/maligned at any point throughout history, nor have white people faced any real collective adversity so the term cracker has no weight as a racial slur and getting offended by it and thinking it justifies your use of an actual slur with real history behind it is just ridiculous.

I'm not even saying you're necessarily racist for using the word, just stupid and ignorant more likely. Doubt there was any malicious intent behind it, but it's still an extremely dumb thing to do. Maybe you just said it cos you thought it would get you some attention, pretty pathetic either way.