Olara Otunnu (Harvard Law, 1978) relating the remark of Kenyan historian Ali Mazrui on the oddity that a member of Kenyas Luo tribe (Barack Obama, a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from birth) may become president of the United States before a Luo tribe member becomes president of Kenya. Town Hall Forum: An Examination of Race, Age, Gender & Religion in the 2008 Election, Harvard Law School Reunions, Oct. 25, 2008, 9:15 a.m. (Austin Hall, 1st Floor, West), at 60:17 mark.

Notice that it is a Kenyan historian that states Barack Obama is a Kenyan citizen and Luo tribe member from BIRTH!

US Natural Born citizen = US Citizen + US Allegiance + US Jurisdiction

Obama is a British subject, allegiance to the British Crown, under the British Nationality Act of 1948

Remember this was done BEFORE the election, but after numerous requests during the primary for Barack Hussein Obama to PROVE his eligibility per the United States Constitution. After the election the Kenyan Parliment stated the following;

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIAL REPORT

Wednesday, 5th November, 2008

The House met at 9.00 a.m.

Dr. Khalwale: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You have heard none other than the Leader of Government Business acknowledge that because of Obamas win in the United States of America (USA), the House is crippled.

Could we allow him to move a Motion for Adjournment so that we could also continue the celebrations of having a Kenyan ruling the USA? I humbly request! *****[note - "having a Kenyan ruling the USA"!]

Read the rest and more here: http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/kenyan-historian-ali-mazrui-states-obama-kenyan-citizen/

So, according to the article the Luo Tribe could bestow membership upon Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney and Lou Dobbs making each of them ineligible for the American Presidency?

They were not born a member of the tribe, so no. But actually whether Obama was a Kenyan citizen, British subject, and/or Luo tribesman at birth is irrelevant. What is relevant is that his father was not a US citizen.

His father being a Brit Subject makes him a natural born British subject, probably, under British law. But that is nearly irrelevant as well.

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posted on 11/28/2009 7:44:47 PM PST
by El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)

Keep guessing. It may not be #1 or #2. Put on your thinking cap, maybe you will figure out. It’s so much fun to see you squirm.
NOW, evidence is gathered and there is no blabbing on the open forum, nobody is going to tell you jack sh*t. The video with Alan Keyes, it exists. You will never know who has it, that you can rest assured of. There also may be some newspapers floating around that blow the birth announcement BS all to hell. Ya just never know what some PI’s and attorney’s may be amassing. wink and see ya.
Keep trying to get info for your pal Barry, don’t hold your breath. The info has gone underground buddy.

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posted on 11/28/2009 11:38:37 PM PST
by mojitojoe
(Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism. - Vladimir Lenin)

NOW, evidence is gathered and there is no blabbing on the open forum, nobody is going to tell you jack sh*t. The video with Alan Keyes, it exists. You will never know who has it, that you can rest assured of.

Why that is kinda funny considering that the "birthers" have had a tendency of late to manufacture evidence regarding Obama's status as a natural born citizen.

First there was the Maya BC that was altered to be Barack's BC. Second, there was the fact floated that Obama travelled to Pakistan when it was illegal for Americans to travel to Pakistan.

Third, Fake Kenyan BC # 1 that many 'birthers' fell for.

Fourth, Fake Kenyan BC # 2 that Lucas Smith produced.

And now there is the video tape of Obama "proudly touting his Kenyan birth." And for some reason, the tape that allegedly was recored when Obama was debating Alan Keyes has not surfaced, even though Keyes has filed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility. It would seem to me that such a tape would have been entered into evidence or released sometime before the 2008 election.

As for my theory, I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii and while being constitutionally qualified for the office, is not necessarily intellectually qualified. However, he is smart enough to keep this issue out there, in order to divert attention from other matters concerning his administration.

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posted on 11/29/2009 2:29:33 AM PST
by trumandogz
(The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)

The U.S. Congress can NOT bestow U.S. natural born status either. U.S. natural born status is a condition similar to race. It is an intrinsic quality. A person must be born with it, but unlike race, a person can renounce or neglect to maintain his citizenship.

As far as I can tell, the Electoral College, the entirety of the House and Senate, Vice President Cheney and Chief Justice Roberts all understand that Obama is a natural born citizen and is thus constitutionally qualified.

Now, if somebody would provide information as to why Cheney and John Roberts cannot be trusted, I would love to listen.

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posted on 11/29/2009 2:34:19 AM PST
by trumandogz
(The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)

Now, if somebody would provide information as to why Cheney and John Roberts cannot be trusted, I would love to listen. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Neither of these Weenies has seen, examined, or made any written or verbal comment about:

**Verification of Obama’s relationship with the British citizen and Kenyan father that he claims **Obama’s original long form birth certificate. **College records **Adoption records **Repatriation records **Selective Service registration **Passport records **College admission records and transcripts

Gee! If you have any record of their doing so please provide the link.

Again....An honest man would be **HONORED** to prove in all the ways listed above that he is a natural born citizen and eligible to be president.

Now please answer the following ( you seem to want to skate around these two questions):

**What does Obama’s actions regarding the documents listed above say about his honesty and honor?

**What does Obama’s actions regarding his natural born status have to say about the honor and honest of those who defend him?

You obamanoids never tired of trying to twist the facts to suit the defense of your affirmative action messiah don’tchaknow. Your question is absurd on the fce of it since none of the people you named were born in Kenya or had a Kenyan father. The citizenship is a natal issue, fool. But that was a good try, obamanoid. Your butty NS tried to shuffle past the natal point with his idiotic comment above, regarding losing what he had at birth (and that in itself is an admission that the affirmative action lair-in-chief could not possibly be a natural born American because of his split nationality at birth, LOL).

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posted on 11/29/2009 7:19:37 AM PST
by MHGinTN
(Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)

video tape of Obama “proudly touting his Kenyan birth.
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Not proudly toting in my opinion. Just confirming what Keye’s said. Key’s said you were born in Kenya, Obongo smirks and flippantly replies, “So what? I’m running for the Senate, not President, so it’s irrelevant”

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posted on 11/29/2009 7:59:55 AM PST
by mojitojoe
(Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism. - Vladimir Lenin)

First there was the Maya BC that was altered to be Barack’s BC. Second, there was the fact floated that Obama travelled to Pakistan when it was illegal for Americans to travel to Pakistan.
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It was discouraged. I never said it was “illegal”
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Third, Fake Kenyan BC # 1 that many ‘birthers’ fell for.

Fourth, Fake Kenyan BC # 2 that Lucas Smith produced.
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Smith BC has not been proved to be a fake. I’m highly suspicious of it due to his past record. If SMith passed a lie detector test and Kenya confirmed it was legit, then I would believe it was real. Not until.

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posted on 11/29/2009 8:02:52 AM PST
by mojitojoe
(Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism. - Vladimir Lenin)

the tape that allegedly was recored when Obama was debating Alan Keyes has not surfaced, even though Keyes has filed lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility.
______________________
Maybe Keye’s doesn’t have it. It should be in very capable hands, with the best attorneys, not with Keye’s so he can blow it again.

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posted on 11/29/2009 8:04:20 AM PST
by mojitojoe
(Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism. - Vladimir Lenin)

As for my theory, I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii and while being constitutionally qualified for the office, is not necessarily intellectually qualified. However, he is smart enough to keep this issue out there, in order to divert attention from other matters concerning his administration.
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Theory, based on what? That’s all you have is a theory. There is plenty of evidence, concrete and a ton or circumstantial evidence that points to another birthplace. I won’t disagree that Kenya might be a distraction. Look North. Watch for some newspapers to surface and watch for that Keye’s tape. You will not find them with Keye’s, WND, Orly etc. *wink* They will be found in the hands of the people like Breitbart, Rush, Hannity and very competent attorneys. Smart people keep their mouths shut, build their evidence and case, then say BAM! GOTCHA! Better to release it in 2010 or closer to 2012. The bombshell to make sure he isn’t re-elected.
The Dems control the house and sentate. The chance of getting him out is far less than making sure he isn’t re-elected.

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posted on 11/29/2009 8:10:14 AM PST
by mojitojoe
(Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism. - Vladimir Lenin)

An honest man will not summit to the demands of every nut case in America.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What is nutty about asking a president to prove he is a natural born citizen?

An honest man running for president or in the office of president would be **HONORED** to prove in every possible way that he was a natural born citizen! He would be HONORED to do this for ANYONE...even the nuts.

There is plenty of evidence, concrete and a ton or circumstantial evidence that points to another birthplace.

Actually, there is no concrete evidence pointing to a Kenyan birth and the only circumstantial evidence has been manufactured or manipulated.

Watch for some newspapers to surface and watch for that Keyes tape.

If no one has produced a debate tape of Obama saying he was born in Kenya, the tape does not exist.

BTW-Whenever candidates for any office are taking part in a debate, each campaign staff has a self produced audio tape and video tape of the debate. In addition, the producers of the debate as well as the networks and or channels and radio stations the debate airs keeps a tape of the debate.

So, the tape is not out there, as if it did exist, it would have surfaced long ago.

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posted on 11/29/2009 10:14:41 PM PST
by trumandogz
(The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)

I never stated that you said it was illegal for Americans to travel to Pakistan in 1981. However, there have been quite a few people here and those entrenched in the birther movement who said that it was illegal for Americans to travel to Pakistan.

And while there may have been a State Department Pakistan "Travel Advisory" at the time, a travel advisory does not prohibit American citizens from traveling to those countries.

In fact, I was born in and lived in a country that has had a State Department travel advisory in place for my entire life and have lived in, worked in of visited around 15-20 countries that have a State Department travel advisory.

And yes, both Kenyan Birch Certificates that have been "touted" by the birthers have proved to be fakes.

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posted on 11/29/2009 10:29:22 PM PST
by trumandogz
(The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)

**Verification of Obamas relationship with the British citizen and Kenyan father that he claims
**Obamas original long form birth certificate.
**College records
**Adoption records
**Repatriation records
**Selective Service registration
**Passport records
**College admission records and transcripts

I would have no problem with all future presidential candidates releasing all the above mentioned records as well as Full Medical Records.

However, passport records will not reveal all that much since, as everyone knows that the U.S. State Department does not keep records of the nations an American citizen travels.

And it will only take one state to require future presidential candidates to submit; birth certificates, parental DNA verification, college transcripts and full medical records in order to be qualified for that state’s primary or general election ballot.

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posted on 11/29/2009 11:00:42 PM PST
by trumandogz
(The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)

There is no one in the Columbia transcript office that has access to this stuff? You mean everyone in there has the moral code not to release such devastating information for the millions it would bring them?

This stuff sounds like the conspiracy stuff I hear on Coast to Coast AM. There are too many people with access to this kind of information to keep a lid on all of them.

Just my opinion, but isnt the issue to keep him off the ballot next time by enhancing the state requirements to get someone on the ballot?

And yes, both Kenyan Birch Certificates that have been “touted” by the birthers have proved to be fakes.
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Including that laughable one posted on Fact Check right? Can you send me the link where the others were examined by experts and proved to be fake? I must have missed that. I’m not saying they are authentic, I just want to see where they were irrefutably debunked by experts, a court, etc.

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posted on 11/30/2009 8:27:14 AM PST
by mojitojoe
(Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism. - Vladimir Lenin)

And yet, we're to trust the INTEGRITY of the documents supplied and/or certified by these corrupt politicians in charge of the Executive and Legislative Branches?!!

t-mutt is all about trying to fabricate negative perceptions. Not a single refutation of the Smith affidavit supporting BC presented to the SanDiego judge has been made. That doesn’t mean it’s valid, just refutes the idiot t-mutt assertions however.

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posted on 11/30/2009 9:33:45 AM PST
by MHGinTN
(Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)

Can you send me the link where the others were examined by experts and proved to be fake? I must have missed that. Im not saying they are authentic, I just want to see where they were irrefutably debunked by experts, a court, etc.

Yep ... how do you rate the INTEGRITY of Mr. Obama? Do you TRUST him?

What would he have done to become president in 2008 ... and to REMAIN president now?

Can you TRUST the documents GIVEN by him and the Obama Campaign in 2008?

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen.

-snip-

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago.

Further, can you implicitly TRUST the document forensics credentials of Jess Henig and Joe Miller of FactCheck?

You go Chris!! I second everything you said. And, in addition, I HEARD the taped conversation of the Kenyan Parliament making these statements. It has been posted on FR many times for anyone to click on and hear. IGNORE, our resident troll Trumanzdog.!! CO

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posted on 11/30/2009 10:49:36 AM PST
by Canadian Outrage
(Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)

However, there is no reason why this president should have to produce more documentation than the presidents who have preceded him in office.

Now, if you would like to propose a law on the state or national level, that would require all future presidential and vice-presidential candidates to produce a birth certificate, college transcripts and full medical records, I would be fully supportive.

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posted on 11/30/2009 11:53:51 AM PST
by trumandogz
(The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)

You go Chris!! I second everything you said. And, in addition, I HEARD the taped conversation of the Kenyan Parliament making these statements. It has been posted on FR many times for anyone to click on and hear.

Here's are some excerpts from the Kenyan Parliament from Nov. 5, 2008, on the morning after Barack Obama win of the US Presidential election on Tues, Nov. 4:

Dr. Khalwale: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You have heard none other than the Leader of Government Business acknowledge that because of Obamas win in the United States of America (USA), the House is crippled. Could we allow him to move a Motion for Adjournment so that we could also continue the celebrations of having a Kenyan ruling the USA? I humbly request!

The Assistant Minister for Water and Irrigation (Mr. Kiunjuri): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as you can see, people are really celebrating. However, I am wondering whether the Americans have not reported to work and yet it is their victory. I am also hoping that there will be no homecoming for Obama. If there is one, the Leader of Government Business should alert us in good time so that we can set up a committee to organize for his homecoming.

Ms. Odhiambo: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country.

Mr. Deputy Speaker: President-elect has not been sworn-in yet. The election of President-elect Obama is of utmost national importance to the United States of America. Ms. Odhiambo, you are a lawyer. You had better be very careful where you transgress between watching your own sovereignty and what can be interpreted in some quarters as some form of treason

Mr. Affey: For the first time, we have a leader of a great country in this world whose blood is Kenyan.

COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR CONGRATULATORY MESSAGE TO PRESIDENT-ELECT BARRACK OBAMA Hon. Members, as you may be aware,the people of the United States of America have just had a historic election where the son of this soil, Barrack Hussein Obama, has been elected the 44th President of the United States of America

The Vice-President and Minister for Home Affairs (Mr. Musyoka): As we do, as you said from the Chair, this is a sovereign country. We know we can learn a lot.To be able to support that blood relation, I think we owe it to ourselves to make sure that we have a peaceful country as Kenyans; a country that will uphold the true principles of the rule of law, democracy and tolerance between ourselves

At the beginning of this year, Senator Barrack Obama called me at midnight and told me: Mr. Vice President, could you make sure you sort out this problem? I want to assure him that the problem has since been sorted out.

The Assistant Minister for Higher Education, Science and Technology (Dr. Mwiria): Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to take this opportunity to also congratulate Barrack Obama on his victory and also say that even as we look at that victory say it is possible, it is only possible because there are structures in place in the US that make it possible for any potential candidate to win, irrespective ofwhether they have a lot of money which they have gotten legally or illegally, they are from a different ethnic group and how old they are.

Mr. Chanzu: I highly congratulate Obama and salute Americans, Black, White and other races, for what they have done in showing the world that a leader can come from any community. I also want to congratulate Kenyans for the support they have shown. It showed the Americans that we were supporting our own.

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