Instead of stealing Trumps Tax Returns why not file a FOIR?

originally posted by: Tardacus
I`ve never understood why anyone would want to see the presidents tax returns. if the president is cheating on his taxes the IRS will already know
about it, or at least find out about it.
as long as the president isn`t violating any tax laws why does it matter to you what is on his tax returns?

I`ve always felt that candidates who release their tax returns were just pandering for votes and blowing their own horns.

Taxes are good at stopping organized crime, it gives some reassurances that the president is legit rather than a criminal. It's the same for members
of Congress. Plus, it gives the perception that they're playing by the same rules you are and are paying their share.

IRS caught Al Capone on tax evasion and put him in jail. Trump committed no crime. His taxes are none of anyone else's business.

originally posted by: tridalop
IRS caught Al Capone on tax evasion and put him in jail. Trump committed no crime. His taxes are none of anyone else's business.

Has he committed no crimes, or has he simply not been convicted of a crime? There's a difference between the two.

As far as his taxes go, I can take the argument that they aren't anyone elses business. I may not like that answer, but it's acceptable. In Trumps
case however, he promised to release his tax returns. He didn't say they weren't anyone elses business. He said he would publish them, he used that
point several times in the campaign and ultimately said they would be released in November before the election. He lied.

originally posted by: tridalop
IRS caught Al Capone on tax evasion and put him in jail. Trump committed no crime. His taxes are none of anyone else's business.

Has he committed no crimes, or has he simply not been convicted of a crime? There's a difference between the two.

As far as his taxes go, I can take the argument that they aren't anyone elses business. I may not like that answer, but it's acceptable. In Trumps
case however, he promised to release his tax returns. He didn't say they weren't anyone elses business. He said he would publish them, he used that
point several times in the campaign and ultimately said they would be released in November before the election. He lied.

If Trump did any illegal tax activities, he would be in jail.

Obama only released his full birth certificate in 2011. Trump can be expected to release his taxes years from now.

Just for the record, not all illegal activities have jail as punishments. In fact, many simply have fines as punishments. Most of the major Wall
Street scandals can be examples, including the ones where various institutions had to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for their roles in the
foreclosure crisis.

originally posted by: tridalop
Trump has never done anything illegal in his entire life.

Are you sure about that? He settled out of court with the DOJ twice.

He paid 25 million in the Trump University suits, and even thought 25 mil will buy the right to say 'he didn't do anything wrong', 1 million of it is
specifically going to the City of New York for 'running an unlicensed university'.

As part of the settlement, Trump did not admit wrong doing. The university was a private one and did not require a license in the first place. Trump
does not have a criminal record.

Well, neither does Hillary Clinton. Has she also never committed an illegal act?

So, what you're saying is that because of this fact, people that have never been charged or convicted of a crime therefore have never committed a
criminal act?

What about all of the unsolved murders in this country? By your logic even though they may have brutally murdered another human being they did not in
fact ever commit a criminal act.

Doesn't even come close to passing the smell test. This one is a non-starter. Fail at the starting gate.

Trump has never done anything illegal in his entire life

Really? I'm sorry - I didn't realize you were God. Only one who is totally omniscient knows the answer to that for certain.

originally posted by: tridalop
Trump has never done anything illegal in his entire life.

Are you sure about that? He settled out of court with the DOJ twice.

He paid 25 million in the Trump University suits, and even thought 25 mil will buy the right to say 'he didn't do anything wrong', 1 million of it is
specifically going to the City of New York for 'running an unlicensed university'.

As part of the settlement, Trump did not admit wrong doing. The university was a private one and did not require a license in the first place. Trump
does not have a criminal record.

Well, neither does Hillary Clinton.

So, what you're saying is that because of this fact, people that have never been charged or convicted of a crime therefore have never committed a
criminal act?

What about all of the unsolved murders in this country? By your logic even though they may have brutally murdered another human being they did not in
fact ever commit a criminal act.

Doesn't even come close to passing the smell test. This one is a non-starter. Fail at the starting gate.

The foundation of western law is innocence unless proven guilty. Even Richard III is given the benefit of the doubt.

originally posted by: tridalop
Trump has never done anything illegal in his entire life.

Are you sure about that? He settled out of court with the DOJ twice.

He paid 25 million in the Trump University suits, and even thought 25 mil will buy the right to say 'he didn't do anything wrong', 1 million of it is
specifically going to the City of New York for 'running an unlicensed university'.

As part of the settlement, Trump did not admit wrong doing. The university was a private one and did not require a license in the first place. Trump
does not have a criminal record.

Well, neither does Hillary Clinton.

So, what you're saying is that because of this fact, people that have never been charged or convicted of a crime therefore have never committed a
criminal act?

What about all of the unsolved murders in this country? By your logic even though they may have brutally murdered another human being they did not in
fact ever commit a criminal act.

Doesn't even come close to passing the smell test. This one is a non-starter. Fail at the starting gate.

The foundation of western law is innocence unless proven guilty. Even Richard III is given the benefit of the doubt.

Agreed completely.

But that isn't what you said. You said "he's never done anything illegal in his life."

originally posted by: tridalop
Trump has never done anything illegal in his entire life.

Are you sure about that? He settled out of court with the DOJ twice.

He paid 25 million in the Trump University suits, and even thought 25 mil will buy the right to say 'he didn't do anything wrong', 1 million of it is
specifically going to the City of New York for 'running an unlicensed university'.

As part of the settlement, Trump did not admit wrong doing. The university was a private one and did not require a license in the first place. Trump
does not have a criminal record.

Well, neither does Hillary Clinton.

So, what you're saying is that because of this fact, people that have never been charged or convicted of a crime therefore have never committed a
criminal act?

What about all of the unsolved murders in this country? By your logic even though they may have brutally murdered another human being they did not in
fact ever commit a criminal act.

Doesn't even come close to passing the smell test. This one is a non-starter. Fail at the starting gate.

The foundation of western law is innocence unless proven guilty. Even Richard III is given the benefit of the doubt.

Agreed completely.

But that isn't what you said. You said "he's never done anything illegal in his life."

Maybe you just misspoke/mistyped?

If so - no harm, no foul. Happens to all of us from time to time.

Is that the case?

No proven crime. Maybe Trump killed lots of people. Maybe he shot lots of people on Fifth Avenue. No proof.

originally posted by: tridalop
IRS caught Al Capone on tax evasion and put him in jail. Trump committed no crime. His taxes are none of anyone else's business.

Has he committed no crimes, or has he simply not been convicted of a crime? There's a difference between the two.

As far as his taxes go, I can take the argument that they aren't anyone elses business. I may not like that answer, but it's acceptable. In Trumps
case however, he promised to release his tax returns. He didn't say they weren't anyone elses business. He said he would publish them, he used that
point several times in the campaign and ultimately said they would be released in November before the election. He lied.

What's to prevent a wrongdoer from falsifying a page from his taxes and releasing it as a "leak" right now? Truth is an absolute defense against
lies. By releasing his taxes, there would be an official source to check peoples claims against.

originally posted by: schuyler
Not sure what your point is. Tax Returns are considered private and personal and not subject to FOIA. Hillary's private server was designed to avoid
FOIA on ANY subject, not just Benghazi.

If they are P and P why does every candidate release them then?

If they weren't P and P, there would be no need to release them, would there?

What's to prevent a wrongdoer from falsifying a page from his taxes and releasing it as a "leak" right now? Truth is an absolute defense against
lies. By releasing his taxes, there would be an official source to check peoples claims against.

True, but can you imagine Democrats making up altered pages and lies every single day to distract Donald Trump from his work? Donald Trump would have
to spend hours every single day saying that's a lie, that's a lie, that's a lie. It gets annoying.

No it wouldn't. I promise you, the time involved isn't a factor. Trump has something in his taxes that he doesn't want people to see. Not something
made up, but something real. That's why he's not releasing them.

No it wouldn't. I promise you, the time involved isn't a factor. Trump has something in his taxes that he doesn't want people to see. Not something
made up, but something real. That's why he's not releasing them.

It makes a good conspiracy theory, but that's it. What could it be? Did Trump murder someone? If the IRS doesn't care, why should anyone else care?

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