You've obviously not seen any of the Craig movies, or read any of the books.

You're one of those people that are just ignoring the fact that Quantum of Solace was a thing, aren't you? Craig's been as hit-or-miss as basically everyone else with the possible exception of Connery. Even Casino Royale was a Bourne movie, not really a Bond movie, so a lot of the audience was preemptively bored with that shiat before the opening credits even rolled.

Can't deny the newest one was pretty awesome, but the overall run of the movies doesn't touch Connery's, I'd put it about on par with Moore's. Not that they're outright bad, or anything, but still. OK, Quantum was outright bad, but you see what I'm saying.

Moonraker ranked lower than Living Daylights, View to a Kill and any of the Brosnan flicks?

List sucks.

Discussed Bond actors with a coworker yesterday and he made an excellent point:What pulls you through a Bond movie, the actor or the story?

Connery and Craig create pull, Pierce might be able to if the story didn't crush him so badly (exception Goldeneye), Moore not so much, Dalton was just poor casting (good actor, bad casting, very weak scripts).

Kazaa:Kind of amazed by the hate for The Living Daylights. To me, it plays way better now than most of the 80s Bond films, and would probably have more appeal to Craig fans than any of the others of that decade.

I agree. It stripped away a lot of the camp of the Moore era, and Dalton's Bond in that film was closest to the Bond of the novels.

You've obviously not seen any of the Craig movies, or read any of the books.

I have, and I second his opinion. Connery as Bond was the perfect mix of sauve, self-assurance that comes from Pre-WWII upper class British breeding, and down and dirty man of violence who was willing to do whtever it takes to get a job done. Moore was too effette, and Dalton and Brosnan played it too much as "generic Schwazenegger-esque action hero". FWIW Craig is the first bond since Connery I think has it right, but Connery was raised in the same cultural milleu as Ian Flemming, and "got" some of the subtlties of the character instinctively that Craig has to consciously ape.

hundreddollarman:Kirby Muxloe: hundreddollarman: EMCGuy: Am I the only one that thinks Goldfinger is overrated? It's always near the top of the list of Bond films, but I never considered it that great. It also seems to be overplayed. If you flip through TV channels and there's a Bond film on, it's either Goldfinger or a Brosnan or later movie.

I'm with you. Bond looks like an incompetent agent through the whole film and if it were not for the obfuscating stupidity of Goldfinger to keep him alive, Goldfinger would have been able to carry out his plan. The last-second save with Pussy Galore informing the U.S. authorities about Operation Grand Slam felt more like deus ex machina than a logical character choice. Had a bad-ass theme tune though. And Pussy Galore was smokin'.

IIRC Pussy Galore did that in the book too.

True. But the movie never makes any hint of Pussy Galore contemplating turning against Goldfinger until the end.

Yeah, the whole movie was "Bond gets lucky and wins despite acting incompetently". Despite having some good moments and quotable lines, there are much better Bond movies out there.

Jim_Callahan:DjangoStonereaver: BillCo: Sean Connery is the best bond ever. This is not arguable.

You've obviously not seen any of the Craig movies, or read any of the books.

You're one of those people that are just ignoring the fact that Quantum of Solace was a thing, aren't you? Craig's been as hit-or-miss as basically everyone else with the possible exception of Connery. Even Casino Royale was a Bourne movie, not really a Bond movie, so a lot of the audience was preemptively bored with that shiat before the opening credits even rolled.

Can't deny the newest one was pretty awesome, but the overall run of the movies doesn't touch Connery's, I'd put it about on par with Moore's. Not that they're outright bad, or anything, but still. OK, Quantum was outright bad, but you see what I'm saying.

I haven't seen QoS, and by all accounts I'm not missing anything.

Craig's signed for 2 more movies; so far he's 2 for 1, and that's a damn good batting average.

Wellon Dowd:Kazaa: Kind of amazed by the hate for The Living Daylights. To me, it plays way better now than most of the 80s Bond films, and would probably have more appeal to Craig fans than any of the others of that decade.

I agree. It stripped away a lot of the camp of the Moore era, and Dalton's Bond in that film was closest to the Bond of the novels.

And the final fight on the netting as it dangles from the back of the plane is the best action sequence in any Bond movie.

Magorn:DjangoStonereaver: BillCo: Sean Connery is the best bond ever. This is not arguable.

You've obviously not seen any of the Craig movies, or read any of the books.

I have, and I second his opinion. Connery as Bond was the perfect mix of sauve, self-assurance that comes from Pre-WWII upper class British breeding, and down and dirty man of violence who was willing to do whtever it takes to get a job done. Moore was too effette, and Dalton and Brosnan played it too much as "generic Schwazenegger-esque action hero". FWIW Craig is the first bond since Connery I think has it right, but Connery was raised in the same cultural milleu as Ian Flemming, and "got" some of the subtlties of the character instinctively that Craig has to consciously ape.

Um....

Connery was working class through and through; his father was a truck driver & factory worker, as was he (amongmany other jobs he had before settling on acting). The closest thing that he & Fleming shared from their respective backgrounds was both served in the Royal Navy, though Connery was discharged on medical groundsand was most assuredly not an officer. Fleming's initial impression of him, in fact, was that he was absolutelywrong for the part, though this attitude mellowed considerably once he got to know Connery (and once Conneryhad been tutored in the finer points of upper class English life, as related below).

Now, not discounting what Connery's native acting talent brought to the table, the character of his Bond was verymuch molded by Terence Young, the director of DR. NO, FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE and THUNDERBALL.Young was the one who shared Fleming's upper class, cosmopolitan background, and he was the one who showedConnery how to dress, talk, and act like an upper class person. Lois Maxwell said that Young WAS Bond, evenmoreso than Connery.

Gunny Highway:Which film has the 30 minute (probably an exaggeration) grenade fight at the submarine port? That movie kicks tons of ass for that scene alone.

The spy who loved me has a 15 minute shootout/grenade fight inside a ship that scooped up 3 submarines and could technically be considered a port. Thats a well respected movie too, and is Roger Moore's best IMO. Plus a good theme song.

The Man Who Laughs:I blame Moore for turning the Bond series into a mockery of itself that took 30 years to set right. I honestly think Dalton could have been a better Bond if it weren't for people being so used to Moore's slapstick nonsense. He wanted to make Bond serious again, and over-corrected.

you dont know how movies work, do you? Roger Moore is no more to blame for his era than I am to blame for my shiatty boss.

Mugato:edip1976: Craig certainly returned some of the humor to the role

He did? I found the movie rather dour and humorless. Very... British. Not that that's bad, it just didn't have the levity that Bond movies usually have. Which is not a criticism, previous Bond movies could get goofy at times but I guess I just miss the fun that the Brosnan ones had.

That is to say, he did in Skyfall, there were a few dry one liners. CR and QoS, not so much. Well, except for the line about scratching his balls. That was ok by me though, considering we were re-entering Moore level silliness with Die Another Day.

DjangoStonereaver:Craig's signed for 2 more movies; so far he's 2 for 1, and that's a damn good batting average.

Yeah, I'm not saying he's bad at it or anything, it just took him until the third movie to really figure out who Bond is and start actually playing the character and making it his own instead of looking slightly puzzled whenever asked to do one of the silly mannerisms.

As of Skyfall, Craig's Bond is meaner than most of the others, but he's actually found the groove and I'll keep watching the movies. The bit where he shows real emotion for the first time in three movies over the car was pretty much what convinced me he finally gets it. And he can finally do the one-liners without it seeming like he's reading them off a script. Some of this is his direction, I'm sure, but it helps to have the actor on board, too.

Jim_Callahan:DjangoStonereaver: Craig's signed for 2 more movies; so far he's 2 for 1, and that's a damn good batting average.

Yeah, I'm not saying he's bad at it or anything, it just took him until the third movie to really figure out who Bond is and start actually playing the character and making it his own instead of looking slightly puzzled whenever asked to do one of the silly mannerisms.

As of Skyfall, Craig's Bond is meaner than most of the others, but he's actually found the groove and I'll keep watching the movies. The bit where he shows real emotion for the first time in three movies over the car was pretty much what convinced me he finally gets it. And he can finally do the one-liners without it seeming like he's reading them off a script. Some of this is his direction, I'm sure, but it helps to have the actor on board, too.

Well, if you think about it, CR featured a Bond that was completely green to the Double-Oh game. M scolds him on numerous occasions about what it means. QoS, while yes is a shiatty movie, also picks up exactly where CR left off, so Bond is the same green agent. One assumes that many years of fictional adventures have happened between QoS and Skyfall, and in that time Craig's Bond has become the Bond we're familiar with. In essence, this is the first movie with Craig where he can put his spin on the classic bits as a fully realized Bond.

I enjoyed it immensely.

For the record, I also enjoyed Dalton's take on the role. His scripts were not the strongest though.

SKYFALL made me need new pants as a life-long Bond movie fan. All of the mytharc callbacks, and half-answered lore teasers (Including the hint that the "people" are truely different people, despite all being the same name and designators) were awesome.

And the old Aston Marton with the ejector seat? Wonderful.

It made absolutely zero sense for this car to be in the movie. There's only one James Bond; Sean Connery's Bond doesn't exist in the Daniel Craig Bond universe. Are we to believe that this Aston Martin was just some MI6 relic? Bond won a DB5 in Casino Royale. It should have been this car in the movie (sans ejector seat and machine guns) that Bond had simply been keeping in storage.

I was actually really disappointed with Skyfall. Clunky dialogue, CGI komodo dragons, and the silly Home Alone ending kind of ruined it for me.

/Casino Royale is still my favorite//Dr. No and Goldeneye are close seconds

I justified the car to myself by assuming that Q-branch modded the car for him after he acquired it long before he ever met Q himself (they only met now because the smaller quarters aforded after the M16 incident) although the minimalist nature of the gadgets proffered by nu-Q suggests such is highly unlikely.

Still, this complaint aside, I thought this was a much stronger bond film than anything in the last 15 years, Casino Royale excluded.

Just saw it. Pretty good. Very character- and performance-driven. Takes too long to get to Friendo, but he's definitely one of the best Bond villains, even if the movie underserves him. The Dark Knight parallels are distracting. Great cinematography. Music was overwhelming, took away from the action scenes.

Jim_Callahan:DjangoStonereaver: Craig's signed for 2 more movies; so far he's 2 for 1, and that's a damn good batting average.

Yeah, I'm not saying he's bad at it or anything, it just took him until the third movie to really figure out who Bond is and start actually playing the character and making it his own instead of looking slightly puzzled whenever asked to do one of the silly mannerisms.

As of Skyfall, Craig's Bond is meaner than most of the others, but he's actually found the groove and I'll keep watching the movies. The bit where he shows real emotion for the first time in three movies over the car was pretty much what convinced me he finally gets it. And he can finally do the one-liners without it seeming like he's reading them off a script. Some of this is his direction, I'm sure, but it helps to have the actor on board, too.

The little adjustment of his cufflink when he jumps into the train (and before anyone whines about a SPOILER, thisis in every trailer & commercial) showed me he finally 'got' Bond. Sort of like how Brosnan popping his head upout of the tank hatch and adjusting his tie in GOLDENEYE was his signal that he had the part well in hand.

Snatch Bandergrip:Just saw it. Pretty good. Very character- and performance-driven. Takes too long to get to Friendo, but he's definitely one of the best Bond villains, even if the movie underserves him. The Dark Knight parallels are distracting. Great cinematography. Music was overwhelming, took away from the action scenes.

That's one statement I just don't get.

If you think the music is overwhelming in Skyfall, just check out all the ones scored by John Barry.

To say say it in two words - Skyfall sucked. It was simply a long drawn out move designed to say good-by to two of the main characters with some added nostalgia. The action scenes were simply makeovers from other movies, not all necessarily Bond movies. There were also a lot of slips and loose ends. Unless they get a new Bond, and some new creative writers, it is time for Bond to end before it turns into an absolute disaster. I would rate Skyfall at a D. Yesterday I saw three movies: Skyfall; Cloud Atlas; Flight. Flight was the best of all of these.