originally posted by: 00nunya00
Edit: but seriously, "grinding her butt against you"???? That does not mean she wants to have sex with you.

Well if this isn't sign, than what is a sign?

Butt grinding is a sign that means exactly that : I want to sleep with you.
If it isn't, no wonder some men go crazy and don't understand women.

It's like annoying a dog till he bites you and then get the dog killed.

I've slept with girls that I probably wouldn't had if I wasn't drunk, yet I would never say I was abused! It was my responsibility of getting
intoxicated in the first place, the concequences are my own. Not always proud but I can't regret.

NO, IT IS NOT AN INDICATION FOR HAVING SEX!!!!

THAT is the entire problem with the attitude in this thread!!!!!

I "sexually provocatively" dance with my GIRLfirends in the club, because THAT'S WHAT DANCING IS. Are you telling me Miley Cyrus deserved to be
forced to have sex with Robin Thicke because she twerked with him on stage?!?!

BEING SOBER AND SAYING "YES" TO ALLOWING YOUR "JUNK" IN HER "JUNK" IS WHAT CONSTITUTES LEGAL SEX. Period. Being drunk does not mean you are
"clear-headed enough" to say "yes." If you NEED to have her be DRUNK to say "yes" then IT IS RAPE. Come back the next day and see what she says. If
it's "yes" and she is sober, then it's sex. If not, it's rape.

I don't see anyone say anything remotely encouraging other members to rape women just because they're drunk.

If someone has gotten to the blackout point and doesn't remember anything, how can they remember not giving consent or saying no? This is where
the slope gets super slippery.

If I was a juror, I would have a hard time convicting someone for raping someone that was blacked out, both parties may have been blacked out for all
we know. If a victim was tipsy/drunk and still has memories of the event and clearly stated NO that's for sure rape. How can we be so sure that
in the moment both parties weren't willing participators?

I had a drinking problem from self medicating from 2010-2013 and use to drink like a rockstar and blackout all the time, sometimes my husband and
friends didn't even realize I had been drinking. How is someone else supposed to know how drunk someone is? The tell tale signs like stumbling and
slurring words aren't always that obvious, especially with people that drink all the time and have high tolerances.

Drinking lowers the inhibitions and causes people to do things they normally wouldn't do in their day to day lives. (I am a victim of sexual assault
myself and I'm not saying rape is ok, just that there are always many different variables and blacking out from drinking too much is one of them.)

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
The problem that we have here is the "fair game" rule. If i drink so much that i end up passing out, that does not give you permission to put your
d**k in me.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

Having a helluva time and then fingering a guy for rape when he was just following your(not you personally) lead isn't rape either.

How is me having a good time on alcohol and passing out even a hint that any human being should try it on sexually with me? If a woman cant physically
resist or verbally say no, you should put your genitals away.

Where are you getting the idea that he is condoning rape and encouraging other members? This topic is very emotional, re read what was written and
you'll see he isn't saying rape is ok, not at all.

Quote: "If someone goes out and gets tanked of their own accord and then the inhibitions go out the window, no. That's not rape. Though I'm sure
there's more than one dude sitting in jail over someone regretting the amount they drank. "

originally posted by: SearchLightsInc
The problem that we have here is the "fair game" rule. If i drink so much that i end up passing out, that does not give you permission to put your
d**k in me.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

Having a helluva time and then fingering a guy for rape when he was just following your(not you personally) lead isn't rape either.

How is me having a good time on alcohol and passing out even a hint that any human being should try it on sexually with me? If a woman cant physically
resist or verbally say no, you should put your genitals away.

How can the victim remember saying no if they were blacked out? That's my point, they could have been fine with it in the moment, it's impossible to
determine with no memory.

Because she was TOO LEGALLY DRUNK TO MAKE THAT DECISION. If you are in doubt of whether a woman is too drunk to legally have sex with you, wait until
tomorrow, or give her a LEGAL sobriety test. If you have witnesses to said test, at least you have a LEGAL defense in a court of law.

WHY DO YOU ALL SEE SEX AS SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL LEGAL RIGHT?!?! SEX IS NOT YOUR RIGHT. PERIOD. IT IS YOUR ***PRIVILEGE**** THAT YOU ALONE ARE LEGALLY
RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THE LEGALITY OF.

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