Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

The lord always rescues his people. He has done it from the beginning.

1 Before the flood. Noahs Ark

2 Hebrews in Egypt. Removed from slavery

3 When Jesus died. He went into Hell To remove his people from there.

4 Before the tribulation he will remove his people who are born of his spirit.

To those that dont believe their will be a rapture read this.

Luke 17:30-37

30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”[a]

37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”

So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”

Luke 21:36

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

That may be true also but the word won't be available because it says:It says hearing not understanding

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD

Quoting: waterman

And how many times in Revelation are we urged "whoever has ears let him hear"? Hearing in scripture does not just mean receiving audible input. The original Hebrew concept of hearing actually meant obeying, in the sense that if you don't obey, you haven't really heard.

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

Go to a different church every week for couple years, and you likely won't learn a thing. IF they do any teaching (and not all do), they generally offer a bunch of bullshit babyfood coping mechanisms for people to make it though their lives as unruffled as possible and come back next week for another dose.

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

Sure there is, the Great White Throne event so mankind can see God's home and then enter New Jerusalem for the ride back to an earth that will be as lifeless as described in Ge:2 except this time all of mankind is behind Adam and Eve when they exit the city and just as the living water healed the Dead Sea in Eze:47 the water this time will heal the earth bringing life back to all other flesh (land sea and air beings)going back to all life created in Ge:1 and including the sparrows in the NT that God says He will remember and for the God of the living that means having them flying around again. The new earth will include the whole universe if you are concerned about having enough room. Angelic being are at the GWT event but they stay in that 3rd heaven as perfected angels, like God and the Holy Spirit.

Quoting: MHz

The new Jerusalem is not a physical structure, it's simply the Kingdom of God.

And for the record, it's important to understand that not only do its "gates" never close, but they remain open so that the kings and armies of the nations may be brought within (Isaiah 60).

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

The kingdom is God is bigger than 1500 miles square, the servants in Isa:65 who enjoy living on the earth after the 7th trump until the the 1,000 years are ove will enter New Jerusalem and when it descends to tye New Earth that will be their home, the ones tormented in Isa:65 will be the ones building houses and living in them in the New Earth. They will still be a static population while the ones outside the wall will have 100 children for each married couple.

Isa:60 and Zec:14 are about life on the earth during the 1,000 year reign, the Tabernacle is one Jesus alone will build and the river in Eze:47 flows out of that house rather than it being new Jerusalem.

Zec:6:12: And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:Zec:6:13: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Eze:47:1: Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

Go to a different church every week for couple years, and you likely won't learn a thing. IF they do any teaching (and not all do), they generally offer a bunch of bullshit babyfood coping mechanisms for people to make it though their lives as unruffled as possible and come back next week for another dose.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

How many would allow you to take from the 'collection plate' if you really needed the money?

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

That may be true also but the word won't be available because it says:It says hearing not understanding

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD

Quoting: waterman

And how many times in Revelation are we urged "whoever has ears let him hear"? Hearing in scripture does not just mean receiving audible input. The original Hebrew concept of hearing actually meant obeying, in the sense that if you don't obey, you haven't really heard.

Church Inc. is a seriously dried up cistern.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

Hope your right....hope there are bibles dropped from planes, and when the antichrist rules the last 7 years let's hope he thinks that spreading the gospel is a fantastic idea.......I'm not trying to say "I'm right and your wrong" but let's not be deceived, Satan is cast down the last 7 years he isn't gonna want the Word of God around

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

Hope your right....hope there are bibles dropped from planes, and when the antichrist rules the last 7 years let's hope he thinks that spreading the gospel is a fantastic idea.......I'm not trying to say "I'm right and your wrong" but let's not be deceived, Satan is cast down the last 7 years he isn't gonna want the Word of God around

Quoting: waterman

Would you agree that having scripture present is no guarantee of any progress? How many funky denominations and even cults exist today, all supposedly based on this one book?

(Also, is there some way we can at least consider not giving satan any airtime any longer? It can't hurt, can it? FFS, is he defeated or not?)

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

Go to a different church every week for couple years, and you likely won't learn a thing. IF they do any teaching (and not all do), they generally offer a bunch of bullshit babyfood coping mechanisms for people to make it though their lives as unruffled as possible and come back next week for another dose.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

How many would allow you to take from the 'collection plate' if you really needed the money?

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

Hope your right....hope there are bibles dropped from planes, and when the antichrist rules the last 7 years let's hope he thinks that spreading the gospel is a fantastic idea.......I'm not trying to say "I'm right and your wrong" but let's not be deceived, Satan is cast down the last 7 years he isn't gonna want the Word of God around

Quoting: waterman

Would you agree that having scripture present is no guarantee of any progress? How many funky denominations and even cults exist today, all supposedly based on this one book?

(Also, is there some way we can at least consider not giving satan any airtime any longer? It can't hurt, can it? FFS, is he defeated or not?)

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

I agree scripture being present is being blocked by everything you see on t.v, hear on the radio,etc. People have become more occupied with the created than the creator, and that is why God will destroy all those computers, cars, house, electronics, just as God does every time His people turn from him. It might take years and years for God to bring judgement but sooner or sooner He has to destroy the United States, they have kicked God out of everything, why would He protect them when the enemy comes. Then after 42 months of all the idols being gone and people have no more of the created thing they will turn to the creator God(furnace of affliction) works every time.

Satan is defeated but he is still the god of this world for a short season and he wants as many people in hell as he can get

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

I'm gonna get ready to eat peoples...thanks for commenting on my thread, thanks for looking at it, and I hope that if you saw this and sometime when the destruction of the united states comes and begins the 10 year tribulation (42 months x3) that you will remember this thread and won't lose faith that God hasn't forgot you.

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

There is also the angel of Death in the 4th Seal of Revelation. Death comes first because Hell follows. A careful study of the 4th seal reveals it is judgement 101 on 25% of the Earth:

Revelation 6:8And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

I know you guys are into the Rapture, but you should not ignore the 4th seal because:

1 - Dying in your sleep and being carried up to Heaven is almost as good as the "Rapture". The blessed souls that get taken away first will not suffer or see their land destroyed by the second rider.

2 - The 4th seal will sneak up on people because the earlier 3 seals are not obvious and it is impossible to prove they were broken because there have always been wars and famines.

4 - After the 4th seal is done the Christians in the other 75% of the Earth will all know where they are in the endtimes and the 4th seal was completed. There will be a great revival in the 5th seal.

How long is tribulation?The end of the age of grace is the beginning of the 70th week of daniel, or 7 year tribulation.

I think we all know that in the bible a day can equal a year or a day can equal a thousand years. In this next verse we see in the book of revelation the devil will throw some of you into prison that you may be tested 10 days. We will all be tested but some for only 42 months. Did you see it said "some of you will be tested 10 days(years), not all only some. Wouldn't that be nice if it was only 10 days..It is 10 years, 42 months before the 7 year tribulation for a total of 10 and a half year tribulation not 11 years but 10 and a half yearsBut look in Revelation 2:10 it says we have 10 days(years) of tribulationRemember the church will be here until the beginning of the 7 year tribulation because the end of "the age of grace" doesn't come until the beginning of the last 7 years. Then those who remained faithful through the 42 months prior to the 7 will be in the rapture

Revelation 2:10

10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days(years). Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

There are 7 churches in Revelation, but we know there is only one church of God so these 7 churches are different levels of where people are in relationship to Jesus Christ.

God sends a strong delusion that if it were possible it would fool even the elect:Watch!1. We know the man of sin comes at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation. He makes a covenant with many for 1 week(7 years)2 There was a great falling away first, why because 42 months of tribualation prior to the 7 year tribulation comes and there is no rapture, people lose faith in God.3. The great delusion is there is a 42 month period prior to the 7 year tribulation to see who is faithful and who is only faithful to a rapture card.<< 2 Thessalonians 2 >>King James Version 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Revelation 3:10 KJV

In the above verse, Pre-tribbers claim that Jesus will rapture the church before the tribulation. They claim the "hour of temptation" refers to the tribulation and "I will also keep them from" refers to Jesus' removal of the church from the earth. When translators have written "I will also keep the from the hour...," pre-tribbers claim "kept from" should have been translated "kept out of."

Before we examine this part of scripture, we must examine the first part of Jesus' message to the Philadelphian church.

"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, no man openeth;

"I know thy works, behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know I loved thee.

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep the from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (the hour of temptation is the 7 year tribulation, how did you keep the word of His patience, you endured the 42 months prior to the 7 year tribulation that the preachers aren't telling you about) Don't worry little flock God won't let a single tribulation come to you.WRONG!

Jesus said These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

People don't be deceived we are all gonna go through the 42 months of tribulation prior to the 7 and that 42 months is the destruction of the united states and being carried captive into other countries, be faithful to Jesus through that and you will see a rapture.Revelation 2:10

Revelation 2:10

King James Version (KJV)

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

I'm in the middle of dinner right now but that 70th week won't be complete until the antichrist makes a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, allows the 3rd temple to be rebuilt and after 42 months goes into the temple and claims to be God..their may have been a foreshadow of the 70th week but satan has the floor for the last 7 years and it is the 70th week of daniel

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

My recommendation for christians everywhere is to put off mucking around in Revelation until your head is on straight. There's a reason there are 65 other sections preceding it.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

Are you going to try and say that the verse below are not the same trib that is mentioned in Re:1?

De:4:27: And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.De:4:28: And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.De:4:29: But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.De:4:30: When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;De:4:31: (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

My recommendation for christians everywhere is to put off mucking around in Revelation until your head is on straight. There's a reason there are 65 other sections preceding it.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

Are you going to try and say that the verse below are not the same trib that is mentioned in Re:1?

De:4:27: And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.De:4:28: And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.De:4:29: But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.De:4:30: When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;De:4:31: (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Quoting: MHz

No I'm not. Tribulation more or less = life on earth. John himself claimed to be our brother in tribulation" 1900+ years ago. The problem is that church folks are obsessed with all the big notorious crap without having a solid foundation established upon the first 98% of the book. For most, Revelation merely serves as doom porn. This junk has been so over-blown, most of it compliments of masons and their ilk. We've become like kids going for the dessert without really having eaten a proper meal.By the end of next week, GLP will have seen another dozen or more "end times" threads offering a minor twist on whatever the Christian Doom flavor of the month is, and it's all the same stuff from a bunch of well-meaning carnal believers taking Revelation literal.

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

1. Destruction of Israel in Isaiah, Jeremiah and the prophets is the foreshadow of U.S destruction

2. There is a 42 month period made up of 1260 days prior to the 7 year tribulation.

3. After the 42 month period the rapture will happen for those who remained faithful to Jesus

4. 7 year tribulation begins the anti-christ and false prophet make 7 year peace treaty with Israel and allow 3rd temple to be built

5. The two witnesses show up at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation. The mission of the two witnesses is to bring the 2 houses of Israel(Jew and Christian) together (they will have a double mission of 42 months with the church and 42 months with the Jew and bring both houses together as one as described in Ezekiel 37.

6. The 2nd witness is greater than the first as God always makes one greater than the other...Adam and Eve, Moses and Aaron, Joshua and Zerubabbel, John and Jesus..etc.

7. The two witnesses build the spiritual temple while the anti-christ and false prophet allow construction on 3rd physical temple

8. The people who accept Jesus as savior, repent, and turn from sin become the temple of God and this is a temple that can't be destroyed as the other 2 temples of God were destroyed. 2nd corinthians 6:16: 6:16 What agreement has a temple of God with idols? For you are a temple of the living God. Even as God said, "I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they will be my people."

I'm in the middle of dinner right now but that 70th week won't be complete until the antichrist makes a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, allows the 3rd temple to be rebuilt and after 42 months goes into the temple and claims to be God..their may have been a foreshadow of the 70th week but satan has the floor for the last 7 years and it is the 70th week of daniel

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

In order to fathom the future, we must understand the past.

The Hebrew Scriptures ("Old Testament") contain all the examples for the last days. The events of the Exodus are a foreshadowing of those events which will soon take place.

Note that the tribes of Israel were delivered from slavery, after they had experienced it. They were protected from the plagues, but were not raptured out of them. The Book of Revelation forecasts similar events - plagues, etc - but no secret rapture.

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

In order to fathom the future, we must understand the past.

The Hebrew Scriptures ("Old Testament") contain all the examples for the last days. The events of the Exodus are a foreshadowing of those events which will soon take place.

Note that the tribes of Israel were delivered from slavery, after they had experienced it. They were protected from the plagues, but were not raptured out of them. The Book of Revelation forecasts similar events - plagues, etc - but no secret rapture.

Quoting: No Free Lunch 26503986

One good thing to remember in the bible, it shows the physical first and the spiritual 2nd(example God had 2 physical temples in the beginning and a spiritual temple in the end. Adam and Eve brought physical children in the beginning. Joshua and Zerubabbel are building the spiritual temple in Hagaai and Zechariah but are symbolic of the temple of God in the end which are the children of God, because we are temples of God according to 2nd corinthians 6:16. So Adam and Eve brought physical children and the two witnesses which will play the part of an Adam and Eve or Joshua and Zerubabbel with bring forth the spiritual temple or spiritual children of God.

If you read the story of Moses and the children of Israel. The united States will be a reversal of it...United states started out in the land of milk and honey, but they turned it into the land of Egypt(full of idols). When the children of Israel left Egypt they took silver and gold with them. When the people of the United States go from milk and honey to the desert they will take nothing. they will go through the desert into slavery.....can you see the backwards of Moses and the children of Israel happening....after America goes into slavery for 42 months God will raise up the Moses and Aaron type Enoch and Elijah , Joshua and Zerubabbel...whatever you want to call them but they will be two men that go through the furnace of affliction just as Jesus said when the disciples were fighting over who would sit on his left and right in the kingdom, as the two witnesses sit on the left and right and must drink the cup and go through the furnace of affliction before thier ministry starts. So United States goes like this: 1. Start in the land of Milk and honey2. Turn in into Egypt3. Go into the desert4 Go into slavery4 A deliverer is raised up to lead the people(Not save the people, Jesus already did that, just lead the people to righteousness and that one raised up will join the two houses of Israel(Christian and Jew) Here is a video that that I made that it explains it more:

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

What unbiblical drivel you are posting.

Jesus returns one more time and all will see and hear Him and those remaining will be 'raptured' if you will, taken up with Him. It is a lie that He returns secretly.

You better keep your eyes open, as, unless you die before, you are in for the ride with the rest of us.

Quoting: Mickeyblue 9806228

This is UN-biblical drivel....b/c, I said so. The rest are riding with me...b/c I said so. No one else has any other right to state their opinion or express how they interpret scripture....b/c, I said so. Listen, Mickeyblue, I am definitely not riding with you, please do not include me as one of your others, as the rest of us. Not everyone would agree with you, as you are assuming and not everyone wants to ride along with you, or your assumed interpretation of scripture! It's fine if you want to state your opinion on your own, but anyone who would include the words "the rest of us" hasn't enough confidence in their own opinion, that such a one feels they have to include others in their defense, (me and the rest of us..lol). Do not assume you are speaking on behalf of others without their permission. Such statement attest to the actions of a manipulator toward others around them!

Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

There are 4 groups of people on the rapture:

Is your faith in Jesus Christ or is it in the rapture, It will be tested!

BS REMOVED FROM QUOTE

Quoting: waterman

There is NO rapture in the bible. There is no rapture period. And it has nothing to do with Jesus Christ who did not teach any such thing. And its not for "christians" as Jesus never started this terrible religion. Evil Man did. And you ones serve evil well when you spout this shit.

and stop with the quoting of Paul, he was ignorant to the core about God.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,AMEN.

In revelation it is promised to the church of Philadelphia they will be kept from that hour:"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, no man openeth;

"I know thy works, behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know I loved thee.

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep the from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (the hour of temptation is the 7 year tribulation) LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL....