Elaborate please. Thought you were seeking advice however it appears you're merely seeking comments to support your opinion which implies folks over think their perceived needs when it comes to sights / optics for self defense firearms. Go.

I apologise ,I thought it was clear in the title I am a firm believer in KISS as far as sights for self defense . Not shtf but home invasion or in free states I protection of property .
The reason I inquired was I was at a shooting range out of town recently and I was the only one who shared my view so I thought I would see if I was really that much in the minority .
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I like to just keep a good set of iron sights on my rifle to keep it light and simple. I tried red dots and scopes, I keep coming back to irons as that's what I learned with as a kid. I learn to use them well and often, so that would be my recommendation and choice.

I agree with the quick target acquisition with a red dot, and maybe it's me not using it correctly. I have a Holosun HS503C sight and the thing works great, I just can't get comfortable with it. I tried using one eye, then both eyes. Placing more forward on the rifle and then more towards me, I just cant find the correct and comfortable way to use it. Any suggestions are appreciated. Sorry Ozarkpugs for redirecting your thread for a post or two.

I agree with the quick target acquisition with a red dot, and maybe it's me not using it correctly. I have a Holosun HS503C sight and the thing works great, I just can't get comfortable with it. I tried using one eye, then both eyes. Placing more forward on the rifle and then more towards me, I just cant find the correct and comfortable way to use it. Any suggestions are appreciated. Sorry Ozarkpugs for redirecting your thread for a post or two.

Lol. I hear your pain. I have the 503C on my PSA and like it ok. Though at the moment prefer a tube type red dot, be it short like the Holosun or longer like some others, I lean toward a small reflex style like my Venom. It (for me) is the quickest however it's also the most distracting due to a whole bunch of field of view. Placement is a personal preference. I prefer a bit further back (that distraction thing again) if it doesn't interfere with anything (BUIS). "They" say the red dot by design is for both eyes open. I'm good in that respect though I don't see how that can be etched in stone.

For me, the primary reason for a more rearward red dot is I'm quicker with it as compared to a more forward position. Perhaps a solid 1/2 second or so. And more focused. Though it comes down to training and quality / length of training, I just find it more natural when my eyeball is closer to a red dot than farther away. The elapsed time might be nil but when forward mounted I feel as though I'm searching for the glass / dot.

I agree with the quick target acquisition with a red dot, and maybe it's me not using it correctly. I have a Holosun HS503C sight and the thing works great, I just can't get comfortable with it. I tried using one eye, then both eyes. Placing more forward on the rifle and then more towards me, I just cant find the correct and comfortable way to use it. Any suggestions are appreciated. Sorry Ozarkpugs for redirecting your thread for a post or two.

If you are using it for close quarters protection use both eyes because in a real life situation _you will _ are you using your dominant eye behind the sight ? Another thing to try is close your eyes and shoulder the weapon and then open just your shooting eye and see where you are looking if at the top of sight it needs to be higher if at the bottom it needs to be lowered . other than that I'll leave it to someone else to help .You didn't get off subject ,this was the reason for the post .