Leo Haffey, Update, October 14, 2009, Notes from Leo, Nashville TN, Davidson County, Obama thugs, Stolen laptop computer with the names, social security numbers, dates of birth, and addresses of every voter

Several attorneys have been contacted. If you are an attorney and you are reading this, regardless of who you gave money to or voted for, regardless of your party affiliation, regardless of whether you agree with or like attorney Leo Haffey, he deserves justice.

This was sent to Leo’s wife recently by Aristotle the Hun:

“Here is an update on news. If you type “Leo Haffey jail” into Google, the first several pages are news about Leo. This story is really going viral. Lots of bloggers are following the story and posting their support. xxxxxx says you might want to take a look at https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/ the first few articles are about Leo. Citizen Wells is a powerful ally.

xxxxxxx was on Fred Smart’s radio program Thursday night with David Gaubatz, a former USAF counterintelligence specialist who first exposed the child abuse at the local Mosque. xxxxx of course honored your wishes to not use your name or xxxxxx’s. He simply referred to Leo’s wife and daughter.

Donations are beginning to come in to help with Leo’s defense fund. And women are voicing insightful and compassionate support for YOU, xxxxxxx!

· Michelle // October 11, 2009 at 11:03 am
Not only has Leo got problems trying to fight for himself, but so does his wife. She’s trying to hang on to the house, the kids, probably her sanity. Just because any couple may have had fights in the past does not mean they are not united. I’m sure that poor woman is beside herself with fright and possibly unable to communicate with her husband meaning she does not know which way to jump. If she were my sister, or friend I would get her and the children out of there-come on you’re going on vacation to my house. Leo must have some very interesting information for them to react with such violence. Maybe we need to start setting up some safe houses while America is under this totalitarian regime. Somewhat like the French resistance did in WW2, against the Nazi’s. Same enemy different face. Let me be the first to offer mine. Citizen Wells – if you need a safe house, you just let me know I’m from a big family so that person would be a brother or sister or cousin. I’m in South Florida near a big university for access to research materials.
· Michelle // October 11, 2009 at 11:35 am
CW-Leo, his wife and their children are welcome too. Our house is by a grade school so the kids would fit right in. This is a very child and pet friendly neighborhood. Just down to earth nice people. I think I’m worried about their nerves more than anything else. When I experienced some really bad nerve racking stuff in my life, I couldn’t eat or if I did that was worse. Ask Leo and his wife if they are eating ok. This can take more out of person than you can imagine; after this is all over they will need to take some type of vacation and get a complete rest.”

When I have spoken to Leo’s wife, I have assured her that a great many people are standing beside them.

Here are some notes from Leo Haffey dated October 4, 2009:

“Is it merely a coincidence that the thieves of the Nashville/Davidson County Election Commission took nothing but a laptop computer with the names, social security numbers, dates of birth, and addresses of every voter in Nashville/Davidson County?

Is it merely a coincidence that a member of a prominent Nashville family of Democrats was one of the very selective, particular thieves?

Is it merely a coincidence that sons of Democratic politicians have engaged in computer hacking for the BO campaign?

Is it merely a coincidence that the strategy of the BO campaign was to win by voter fraud, utilizing identity theft?

Is it merely a coincidence that BO campaign workers have been arrested for identity theft in numerous jurisdictions?

Is it merely a coincidence that ACORN has recruited workers with known records for identity theft?

Is it merely a coincidence that Nashville Mayor, Karl Dean, is a BO supporter?”

Here’s the quick and dirty regarding how they got around the safety testing: If the vaccine is manufactured for a ‘new strain’ it must proceed through all the protocols for safety testing however, this vaccine was manufactured as a ‘change of strain.’ By doing that, there need NOT be safety testing (assuming that the safety testing had already been done when it was a new strain).

That’s how they got out of running it through the safety protocols. Sneaky bastids.

Something else worth mentioning: You may recall that the initial H1N1 vaccine was to be a series of two shots, maybe three; all of a sudden, the FDA was saying that they believed one shot to be sufficient. Remember that? Here’s why: the two-shot deal was the stand-alone vaccine; the one shot will contain our toxic pal, Squalene.

Squalene will not only stretch the amount of shots you can get, but will also trigger a stronger immune response in the individual.

So, if HHS and the FDA are now pushing the one-shot H1N1 vaccine, you can bet your bottom dollar (or Euro) that damned shot will contain Squalene.

CW………………………………………
I have received a response from the Superior Court Judge who I attended High school with. I contacted him ,and we had a moderate discussion regarding the Nashville Court holding a person in the way Haffey is being held. He told me that he would make a few inquiries. He telephoned me, and provided me with the name of Tennesee SenatorLamar Alexander, and advised that he be contacted directly regarding such outrageous confinement of Leo Haffey. He might choose to intervene in this matter, and at least “spring”Leo under bond. I would personally think that he should have been released on his own recognizance.

re: Orly Taitz Joy Behar and others like her.
Nixon-Obama-our Constitution-American Idol-
If I remember correctly the Watergate Break-In was before Nixon ran for a second term. All means necessary were used to disguise, lie, pretend this didn’t happen, also called a second rate burglary. The Democrats screamed bloody murder, in defense of the Constitution, their rights and much etc. Due to Katherine Graham-Washington Post Woodward Bernstein and Deep Throat the pieces were finally put together. Government tried every means to suppress-finally the LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE was over. Nixon stepped down-admitting no citizen up to and including the President was above the law. He legally was the President.
Years pass along comes Obama, with the help of a complaint media, the corruption of the DNC and ACORN “wins” the nomination. After investigation some people find discrepancies due to the COLB Obama distributes on the web. More and more questions start popping up-more government suppression with the media helping. The campaign continues Obama uses American Idol tactics to win in other words a popularity contest v/s a serious election for a serious job. An analogy could be made a contestant is disqualified early on in the contest. No longer eligible. They get to the finals Mr. Disqualified decides to break all the rules and jump in at the end and decides he is the winner. Cheated, not the winner. I think this might explain what Obama did to the most obtuse.
I think the government is using it as an excuse that Americans of African descent would riot. I think most are patriotic Americans, many would not be happy but when they see how badly Obama lied and betrayed their hopes and dreams they would understand. I think many of my black friends would say “I knew it was too good to be true”, and I know several who did not vote for Obama.

If everyone one would contact Senator Alexander, he might, out of embarrassment, move on this issue, however he is a Democrat in Republican clothing and useless for Tennessee unless he can generate head lines for himself.

LESS GOVERNMENT = MORE FREEDOM
Wednesday, October 14, 2009
REAL “HOPE AND CHANGE”: U. S. CONSTITUTION MAKES BESTSELLER LIST!
Just when you think that the country is on a road to hell paved with good intentions. Just when you think that there’s no chance of recovering from the government’s insanity. Just when you think that American are so mesmerized by the empty rhetoric of “hope and change,” and have distanced themselves so far from the U. S. Constitution, that they’re willing to accept the false security of Socialism in exchange for their liberty, along comes a bright light at the end of the tunnel. The past several months have been depressing to say the least.
Sure the Tea Party movement has been an indication that Americans are finally waking up and are fed up. Despite what the mainstream media reports, the tea parties are having a huge impact that will only grow larger. But yesterday, I ran across possibly an even greater, and unthinkable indicator of this awakening.
Here it is: The United States Constitution, along with the Declaration of Independence, is on the bestseller list! Is that good news or what? In the Washington Post, it’s ranked #6 in the nation among non-fiction books. The Founding Fathers have made the bestseller list after all of these years!

The Post lists the two founding documents, bundled together in the same publication, that is available for $4.95 from the Cato Institute, the publisher of “The Pocket Constitution”. The Cato Institute publication includes both the Bill of Rights and all of the amendments.

According to the Cato Institute:
“To encourage people everywhere to better understand and appreciate the principles of government that are set forth in America’s founding documents, the Cato Institute published this pocket edition (3.5″ x 5″) of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America. With more than three million copies in print, this edition’s influence has been observed far and wide. It has been held up by senators at press conferences and by representatives during floor debate; found in federal judicial chambers across the country; appeared at conferences on constitutionalism in Russia, Iraq, and elsewhere; and sold at bookstores, U.S. Park Service stores, and other outlets nationwide.”
I’m pleasantly surprised, not to mention extremely proud, that the American people would be flocking to the Constitution and Declaration in enough numbers to crack the bestseller list. This shows the extent to which people are feeling threatened, choked, smothered and frightened by the ever-expanding federal government. People are seeing and feeling their God-given rights infringed upon by the “benevolent” federal government, and are equipping and educating themselves to fight back. It couldn’t happen at a better time.
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” ~ George Washington

As a registered Democrat this makes me very happy. I cannot think of a group of Democrats that deserves to be turned out of office than this group of idiots with control issues.
Democrat Pollster: Low black turnout in 2010 may cost Democrats the House
Patriot Room ^ | October 14, 2009 | Bill Dupray
Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:37:56 AM by Bill Dupray
Tom Jensen, a spokesman for the Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling, has been among the most outspoken. He said the high number of Democrats with districts that are significantly black means such a turnout shift could be disastrous for Democrats.
“If what looks like is going to happen in Virginia plays out on a national level, I do think Democrats will lose the House,” Jensen said.

Since Obama’s maternal grandmother (38 years old when Obama born) unilaterally submitted birth info to Hawaii (generating the COLB), not Obama’s ‘mother’ (then 18 years old), who’s to say Obama’s grandmother is not his mother!?!

Michelle – it will take fraud, oops, a miracle for the D to win in Virginia. I don’t know if it is the candidate or his staff that have mismanaged his campaign, no matter, it’s DC and the crap coming from there that’s weighing on his campaign.

Virginia isn’t and never will be purple. It’s red and when the R’s get riled up, which they are, you can bet your sweet bippy that they will go to the polls in droves…no matter the weather.

Gotta bring you on over from the last post:
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JustMe // October 14, 2009 at 11:15 am

Sue K,

just noticing Patriot Dreamer’s post about Tamiflu. I’ve read/heard a number of medical professionals weigh in on using Tamiflu especially with the H1N1 virus. It actually creates an adverse effect increasing the level/intensity/longevity of symptoms of H1N1 – has to do with the Cytokine storm, I believe.

Also my understanding is Tamiflu shouldn’t be given to children period. I don’t recall the name of the ingredient at this moment, and hubby is gone, but it is a similar “makeup” as angel dust. It’s listed on the package insert. Can cause hallucinations.

Do you feel comfortable weighing in on this for folks here?
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OK, JustMe, I think I can clarify a bit, here, and I love to weigh in (if Iknow that I’m talking about).

First of all, I don’t think that Tamiflu has anything to do with a Cytokine Storm, and here’s why I say that:

A brief definition of what we’re talking about, here. The body produces cytokines (an anti-inflammatory substance) in response to an infection. Additional cytokines may be produced (the ‘storm’) which disrupts the body’s ability to fight the infection-a Cytokine Storm is literally too much of a good thing. This overresponse may trigger an accumulation of fluid in the lungs, which can be fatal.

Strangely enough, Cytokine Storms can be triggered in people with strong immune systems, because the immune system responds *too* strongly to the infection; the body becomes overwhelmed.

Now, Tamiflu is a drug that will kick in when it passes through the liver (or ‘livva’ as we say in Boston). For people with liver disease or malfunction, or those with diabetes, this obviously can be a problem. This drug can aggravate a preexisting condition and in severe cases, can cause death.

Many reactions to Tamiflu are the result of an improper dose, so it’s important that that the dosage be tweaked according to the individual.

You’re right-it’s really not recommended for kids. There was a study done in Japan in 2009 because that country had banned Tamiflu. For the under-age-18 set, the research showed strange behavior in over 50 % of the young’uns, and there were even some suicides associated with the drug. It’s not for kids!

Tamiflu has been proven to be only *partially* effective perhaps because the majority of the stockpile on hand is approaching its expiration date. There is also clinical evidence that the drug may contribute to secondary bacterial infections, so that may be why people still feel lousy after taking it. Another factor may be that Tamiflu effects can *actually mimic flu symptoms* so folks may feel a lot worse before they feel better.

d21-This is unreal, Obama was the community organizer in the South Side of Chicago, with all the government funding, it not only did not improve it got worse each year under his vaunted skills. The heart of ACORN corruption Chicago’s South Side.
“And, lo and behold, that’s precisely what President Obama has set out to do since day one. Obama, too, sees global poverty as the root cause of all evil in the world, including crime, war and terrorism. His single piece of signature legislation in the Senate was a bill that would authorize an additional $845 billion from American tax payers to eradicate global poverty, and legislate a demand on future presidents to bring America in line with UN mandates on percentage of national GDP given to fight global poverty.”
Question is Soros actively committing sedition against the United States of America?

Jack // October 14, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Since Obama’s maternal grandmother (38 years old when Obama born) unilaterally submitted birth info to Hawaii (generating the COLB), not Obama’s ‘mother’ (then 18 years old), who’s to say Obama’s grandmother is not his mother!?!
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No one has claimed to know for sure that Madelyn Dunham submitted BO’s birth info. Someone needs to come up with “official copies” of the Hawaii newspaper birth announcements, NOT the ones already posted on the internet.

The newspaper archives should still be available for anyone to find these alleged birth announcements. Will someone in Hawaii go to the library and look for them?? Unless they have disappeared too!

If they can’t be found then the internet birth announcement is likely a fake and someone has destroyed the original to cover up the evil deed.

Maybe I missed it, but why doesn’t Gov. Lingle act if the supporting documents to the COLB do not exist in Hawaii? Why can’t she state in plain English that there’s nothing there, if that’s the case? She’s part of the GOP.

d2i -Good I hope the Republicans retake everything. The Democrats are doing a terrible job, they are corrupt and incompetent and deserve to go. I am also upset with those who did not speak up in defense of our Constitution.

Fox News: LTC Allen West, one of a small but determined group of black Republicans running for seats in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2010. This little Democrat is going to vote for him. Lieutenant Colonel West is handsome so I’m going to put his picture on my front door, that way my other Democrat friends won’t bug me. LTC West is NBC, I really think that a lot of former military are going to run as Republicans and I think they will be very successful.

Jonah – the birth announcement is a “phantom” image. Notice the announcement does not list the name of the paper, the date nor any other material fact?

Also, when the “phantom” announcement first appeared at blog site called TexasDarlin. The poster appeared this one day, hung around to answer questions by bloggers, and was never seen again. On the same day it appeared, Annenberg, 0’s former employer, captured it, never fact checked a thing, and w/great bravado said “see 0 is a citizen”. There is no birth announcement.

Few have questioned if he was born in HI or not, and those few who do keep running around the Mulberry bush chasing purposeful distractions. I’m sure those that planted this misinformation are having a good laugh.

Fact: no one knows where he was born and honestly, even who his parents were. All we know is what 0 has told us. We have nothing to base a fact on. nothing!

This is what is most disturbing. The D’s voted in a guy that won’t tell us who he is. And yes, they are/were that gullible.

Maybe I missed it, but why doesn’t Gov. Lingle act if the supporting documents to the COLB do not exist in Hawaii? Why can’t she state in plain English that there’s nothing there, if that’s the case? She’s part of the GOP.
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When you think about Lingle, think Arlen Specter. An R in HI is a left-of-center liberal with an identity disorder. HI is Chicago West.

Joseph Farah from WND has asked his investigators to review the newspaper birth announcements on microfiche in the files of the Hawaiian newspapers.

As I remember, his investigators confirmed that the birth announcements do in fact exist, and that the Dunhams in fact lived at the address used in the birth announcements at the time they were published, according to an address directory published in that year, 1961.

Apparently, the source for the sudden appearance of the announcements at texasdarlin worked for Hillary Clinton’s campaign. After this point the Clinton Campaign regarded the matter a closed issue.

However, it was Larry Johnson over at No Quarter, a former CIA Analyst and Hillary Clinton supporter, who is the one who first questions the birth announcements, and who appears to be the grand-daddy of the so-called ‘birthers.’

However, those of us who were questioning John McCain’s birth certificate had already been working on the issue of ‘natural born CITIZEN’ for over a year prior to all this.

That is why the recent comment that John McCain was a ‘Trojan horse’ for Barack Obama’s campaign was a brilliantly perceptive observation.

Michelle – I like your idea about posting a pic of West on your front door. Your “d” friends will love that!

Regarding the AT post, I had lunch w/two policy wonks prior to the 2008 election and told both of them that 0 wanted to send $845B abroad to fight poverty. One of these wonks actually said that he’d rather see it go there than to be spent on waste in this country. I couldn’t believe my ears. I said you’d rather take our tax dollars and send them to god no’s where to supposedly stave off poverty? And he was adamant – yes, he would. I didn’t bother to tell him the poor would never see it. I didn’t tell him that the $$$ was going to go pay off nations leaders who helped 0. It was useless. Oh, and btw, these were d’s.

I remember hearing Dr. Blaylock in an interview talking about a few nutritional supplements to back off of during this flu “pandemic” because their inherit function is to stimulate the immune system. Couple that with contracting a virus that does the same thing, thus a Cytokine storm.

My notes on Tamiflu say it contains cyclohexane, is the chief ingredient in the molecule Phenylcyclohexyl piperidine PCP. Also known as phenecyclidine. Not sure if you confirmed this or not.

A bit of old news, but still interesting to note Rumsfield served on the board of Gilead Sciences, that patented Tamiflu. No doubt he profited handsomely from the previous bird flu hoax? Be interesting to see who on Capitol Hill is profiting from this hoax.

I am reading up on the Project BioShield Act. The EUA powers the gov’t used as it relates to this act & this H1N1 “pandemic” seem a bit of a stretch to me. At least, so far as I can tell from my understanding of the act.

Thanks, Sue. Your knowledge and assistance is appreciated by many on this site.

Greg Goss-I read the article at Free Republic. What a mess to untangle. It’s hard to tell real money from fake, legit credit cards, from fake. This could keep a couple of auditing firms busy for quite awhile. If they delve into it, or maybe they have or are in the process-once they solve this mystery many more webs (tangled) of this type could be solved. This is so much like the RICO investigations of money laundering by the drug cartels.

d2i // October 14, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Jonah – the birth announcement is a “phantom” image. Notice the announcement does not list the name of the paper, the date nor any other material fact?
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My point is that verification of the birth announcements can be easily made if only someone in Hawaii will make the effort. Then we don’t have to listen to the likes of Joy Behar waving the fake birth announcement in Orly’s face.

This is an Obot wagging his or her finger at Larry Johnson, noquarter, back in October, 2008 —

“But, but. but… the anti-Obama smear merchants (like Larry C. Johnson at noquarterusa.net) keep telling everyone that Obama is a “Trojan Horse”. According to the anti-Obama screwballs, the Communists found him in Africa when he was a newborn infant and smuggled him into the U.S. – then they faked his birth certificate. I guess they had a crystal ball too, because they were supposed to know that 44 years in the future we would want a black president and Obama would be the one we wanted. They somehow implanted ‘Communist’ ideas into his little baby head so he would take over America and turn us all into Commies.

“They don’t really explain how he also became a terrorist AND a socialist, or why he wants to teach gay sex to your children, destroy Israel, lose the war in Iraq, ban religion, and make you eat tofu.

“This whole birth certificate thing has already been debunked a thousand times, but the right wing nitwits don’t mind making fools of themselves by repeating every false claim they hear, over and over and over and over and over. . .”

NOTICE THE 3RD PARAGRAPH —

“They don’t really explain how he also became a terrorist AND a socialist, or why he wants to teach gay sex to your children, destroy Israel, lose the war in Iraq, ban religion, and make you eat tofu.”

This looks pretty much like what Obama has been forking on Since January 2009 to me!

You said –
“Joseph Farah from WND has asked his investigators to review the newspaper birth announcements on microfiche in the files of the Hawaiian newspapers.”

This is false. Utterly and completely false. Indeed, what the investigator stated in his report was when he went to the Hawiian Advertiser, the only newspaper published in the 60’s, they stated they did not have records that went back that far.

Then you stated –
“As I remember, his investigators confirmed that the birth announcements do in fact exist, and that the Dunhams in fact lived at the address used in the birth announcements at the time they were published, according to an address directory published in that year, 1961.”

Completely and utterly false. Farrar reported that the investigator spoke to a woman who lived next door to the supposed address and this source told the investigator that the previous occupant had lived there prior to the 60’s and only recently died. This neighbor, when asked by the investigator, stated that she had no recollection of a white woman with a black man and a black baby EVER living next door.

You are confusing the 1961 directory – that is, when Stanley Ann Dunham moved to Seattle to attend the Univ. Farrar’s investigator was able to confirm she lived in an apt there with her son by using the directory.

Then you stated –
“Apparently, the source for the sudden appearance of the announcements at texasdarlin worked for Hillary Clinton’s campaign. After this point the Clinton Campaign regarded the matter a closed issue.”

Where on god’s green earth did you learn this. Cite your source. This is bunk. Clinton never even opened the matter in order to close it later. And no one has ever identified the real individual behind the poster.

You are either extremely misinformed or you have your facts mixed up. And then there is always…

JustMe:
You said, “I remember hearing Dr. Blaylock in an interview talking about a few nutritional supplements to back off of during this flu “pandemic” because their inherit function is to stimulate the immune system. Couple that with contracting a virus that does the same thing, thus a Cytokine storm.”
Do you remember which nutritional supplements should be backed off of?

As part of your on-line story you included a cropped image of the birth announcement that was supposedly published by your newspaper in August of ’61. Can you tell me where you got that image from? If you retrieved from the web I would call that sloppy reporting. You are at the place of its origin. Did you verify that the announcement was in fact published by your paper? You reference the Nordyke twins and show a picture of their mom holding up what looks like real birth certificates. Can you tell me why we do not see their birth announcement?

I look forward to your response and thank you in advance for your effort.

About: Larry C. Johnson is CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an international business-consulting firm with expertise combating terrorism and investigating money laundering. Mr. Johnson works with US military commands in scripting terrorism exercises, briefs on terrorist trends, and conducts undercover investigations on counterfeiting, smuggling and money laundering. Mr. Johnson, who worked previously with the Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, is a recognized expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, crisis and risk management. Mr. Johnson has analyzed terrorist incidents for a variety of media including the Jim Lehrer News Hour, National Public Radio, ABC’s Nightline, NBC’s Today Show, the New York Times, CNN, Fox News, and the BBC. Mr. Johnson has authored several articles for publications, including Security Management Magazine, the New York Times, and The Los Angeles Times. He has lectured on terrorism and aviation security around the world, including the Center for Research and Strategic Studies at the Ecole Polytechnique in Paris, France. He represented the U.S. Government at the July 1996 OSCE Terrorism Conference in Vienna, Austria. From 1989 until October 1993, Larry Johnson served as a Deputy Director in the U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism. He managed crisis response operations for terrorist incidents throughout the world and he helped organize and direct the US Government’s debriefing of US citizens held in Kuwait and Iraq, which provided vital intelligence on Iraqi operations following the 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Mr. Johnson also participated in the investigation of the terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103. Under Mr. Johnson’s leadership the U.S. airlines and pilots agreed to match the US Government’s two million-dollar reward. From 1985 through September 1989 Mr. Johnson worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. During his distinguished career, he received training in paramilitary operations, worked in the Directorate of Operations, served in the CIA’s Operation’s Center, and established himself as a prolific analyst in the Directorate of Intelligence. In his final year with the CIA he received two Exceptional Performance Awards. Mr. Johnson is a member of the American Society for Industrial Security. He taught at The American University’s School of International Service (1979-1983) while working on a Ph.D. in political science. He has a M.S. degree in Community Development from the University of Missouri (1978), where he also received his B.S. degree in Sociology, graduating Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa in 1976.See Authors Posts (664) on June 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM in Current Affairs.

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I must admit I initially thought this was a far-fetched question. But there is a significant body of evidence, some circumstantial, that suggests the answer may be “no.”

An internet friend (Katherine) has pursued this relentlessly. She sent me the following:

“According to the state laws in Hawaii that were in effect at the time of Obama’s birth, a child must be born to ‘TWO’ U.S. Citizen parents (this law was in effect from ‘December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986,’ which means it applies to Barack’s birth.

“But only Barack’s mom was a U.S. Citizen. Papa Obama was a citizen of Kenya.

“Well, the Hawaiian law stipulates:

… If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least FIVE of which had to be after the age of 16.”

It appears that Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means she was shy of the 21 years of age required by the law. In other words, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At what point was Barack Obama Jr., son of Barack Obama Sr., recognized by the U.S. Government as an American citizen? When he moved to Indonesia with his mother and step-father in the mid-1960s I am assuming he had a U.S. passport.

There is a law suit in the works. Of that you can be sure. As was noted in an early post today on No Quarter, Barack’s stubbornness on the birth certificate issue is keeping the matter alive. Not a good idea going into the General Election.

I am not a Constitutional scholar (nor is Barack for that matter). The relevant clause of the Constitution stipulates that:

” No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. ”

Now, I had always assumed that a naturalized citizen (like Arnold) could not be President. But the clause, “or a citizen of the United States,” seems to open the door for people who become citizens. Any lawyers out there?

No one else, not even Leo Donofrio, have ever noticed that Hawaiian law itself described a ‘natural-born CITIZEN’ as a child of TWO U. S. citizen parents!!!!!!!!!!

If everyone one would contact Senator Alexander, he might, out of embarrassment, move on this issue, however he is a Democrat in Republican clothing and useless for Tennessee unless he can generate head lines for himself.
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JS: re Orly clip: personally, I found it difficult to ‘endure’…the host, IMHO, was terribly rude and seemed to do every sort of interruption to keep Orly from having any traction whatsoever;
O’Really & Hannity use the same tactics of just talking right over their ‘guest’…not the best word for it…more like ‘hostage’. I wouldn’t feel much like a welcome guest at another’s invite who treated me like that; I’d be inclined to either remain silent, or say,
“thanks for the invite; but, see ya.”
It was clear, from her own words, that the interviewer had already decided not to ‘listen’.

Bob, the phrases “or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,” actually go together and are the grandfathering clause which gave the framers the right to be President since they were alive at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. The unnecessary comma was just the way they wrote at the time.

What is fun about a blogsite like this is that you can do your own research —

Here is the quote:

An internet friend (Katherine) has pursued this relentlessly. She sent me the following:

“According to the state laws in Hawaii that were in effect at the time of Obama’s birth, a child must be born to ‘TWO’ U.S. Citizen parents (this law was in effect from ‘December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986,’ which means it applies to Barack’s birth.

“But only Barack’s mom was a U.S. Citizen. Papa Obama was a citizen of Kenya.

“Well, the Hawaiian law stipulates:

… If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least FIVE of which had to be after the age of 16.”

I agree with you, Re-Do, about the Orly/Joy interview. There was no conversation at all. Joy just wanted to make statements in Orly’s face, but did not listen to the answers for one second. I thought she was very rude, and that this was all way over her not-very-bright head. Orly did extremely well under the circumstancs.

The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) of 1952 (also known as the McCarran-Walter Act) restricted immigration into the U.S. and is codified under Title 8 of the United States Code. The Act governs primarily immigration and citizenship in the United States. Currently, under this act, effective from December 24, 1952 to present —

So, now go and look to see how Hawaii enabled the Federal law to work for its CITIZENS.

Redo……HRC will be behind bars once the truth comes out…..so she will have prevented any run to be POTUS by selling her soul to the FRAUD…I would say she knows all about his ineligibility as do the rest of the players in the last election…..the problem for HRC….she represents the party that ran an illegal candidate….they won and she did nothing to stop the HOAX….not a good situation to be in!

I agree with you, Re-Do, about the Orly/Joy interview. There was no conversation at all. Joy just wanted to make statements in Orly’s face, but did not listen to the answers for one second. I thought she was very rude, and that this was all way over her not-very-bright head. Orly did extremely well under the circumstancs.
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Yeah….the REDheaded HAG is like that…….thus I hope Orly stays off of these type of shows…..she is seen as an easy target….why do think they don’t have people like Donofrio or Apuzzo on…..Behar would be humiliated by one of them!!!

Bob – my sincerest apologies for insinuating you might be, you know, one of those individuals who like to mislead and divert others thoughts and attention away from pesky facts.

I tend to be a bit on the defensive side as it relates to the facts as I understand them.

That said, please understand I take no issue with your statement other than the one’s I drew attention to are erroneous or confused by other facts.

Unfortunately, I’ve been following, studying, documenting and researching this saga for nearly 20 months now and believe I have a solid foundation of the tale 0’s eligibility has created. Not that I know everything b/c what I do know is likely all wrong anyways. Honestly, I’ve arrived at the conclusion that I don’t know chit about this guy. Who he is. What his real name is. Where he was born. Went to school and every other myth/tale he has contrived.

I just know that he’s ineligible. No matter who is daddy is. I also believe HI and Africa are intended distractions. Call me crazy but I believe 0 comes from the people of Papua, New Guinea. They are the only people I am aware of in the entire world who has the very distinct characteristic of “purple lips”. Then again, what the hell do I know. LOL

Now, I had always assumed that a naturalized citizen (like Arnold) could not be President. But the clause, “or a citizen of the United States,” seems to open the door for people who become citizens. Any lawyers out there?

…..or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,

relevant words here:
at the time of the adoption of this Constitution; as a grandfather clause for those present to seek the office even though they were British subjects.

Vaccines as a WMD? Brilliant, JustMe!!!! Maybe that’s the way it’s really coming down; I suspect it is.

I think that these suits against ‘forced’ vaccines in certain sectors do have legs. I also think that you’ll see a flurry of lawsuits, especially in school systems throughout the country whose students are being given a consent form to take home for parental signatures.

Let’s face it, Sebelius and HHS have no idea which end is up, but they soon will because their butts are on the line. They’ve opened up can of worms and the worms are pouring out and filing suits.

First and foremost, I am highly skeptical of any information given and then not referenced, reason I asked you.

Secondly, I do not have the time to waste “Backtracking” every comment made on every website.

In short, if a person declares “EURECA” Then they should provide supportive legal documentation to support such claims, if not, then it is most likely, rumors, non-qualitative or simply just plain old garbage.

In addition, even “If” this is true, it is meaningless! Regardless of what a State Statute claims pertaining to U.S. Citizenship (during the timeframe you “claim”), the U.S. Constitution and Federal Statutes “Override” and Trumps once Hawaii became a U.S. State. In fact, the State itself would be in violation during such time of your claim as it is not following Citizenship Statutes already set in precedence (reason I asked you to provide Proof of your claim).

Lastly, your comment which you exasperate: “[or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,]” is nothing new, nothing gained…. This was the grandfather clause permitting those “Currently” and “The Time the Constitution was Written” whereby those that were citizens could run for President, however, that was not applied to those “After the adoption of the Constitution”.

In simplicity, if someone comments such as “The Hawaii Law Cites this…..” Well, then cite it, otherwise it’s just an opinion until otherwise proven different…

Now, I had always assumed that a naturalized citizen (like Arnold) could not be President. But the clause, “or a citizen of the United States,” seems to open the door for people who become citizens. Any lawyers out there?

…..or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,

relevant words here:
at the time of the adoption of this Constitution; as a grandfather clause for those present to seek the office even though they were British subjects.
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JJ….the words……or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, are what these fools are harping on…..they leave off the part…..at the time of the adoption of this Constitution….which is intended to be a part of the grandfather clause…..they(the OBOTS) prefer it that way so that they can mislead and misconstrue what the real truth is! In other words….being a plain old citizen is okay for every office except President and VP….you must be a “natural born”….yes VP too….just in case something happens to the PREZ!!!

This link happens to be an old website from 2008. I saw these copies back in February and I remember seeing the red checkmark when scrutinizing it for evidence of tampering. WND does not say that their investigators went to Hawaii and searched through the newspaper archives and discovered the actual Obama birth announcements. Nor does WND show different copies on their website that were acquired by their own investigators. Thus we CANNOT come to the conclusion that WND has verified that the newspaper announcements are valid.

As a genealogist I take special note to details and insist on verifiable documentation, if at all possible. My contention is that there is NO documentation to prove that the internet birth announcements are real. Call me a doubting Thomas, if you please. Thomas felt the piercings in Christ’s hands and side before he would believe that he was resurrected from the dead. I will believe that the Obama birth announcements are genuine when some credible person goes to the newspaper archives and brings back new copies. On the other hand we cannot say, with all certainty, that the announcements are fakes until some credible person searches the archives and finds that they do not exist.

I cringe when someone like Joy Behar or Chris Matthews waves the Obama birth announcement, declaring “Here’s the proof Obama was born in Hawaii”, when I know it is NOT proof. If someone did search the Hawaii newspaper archives and made copies of Obama’s actual birth announcements, please show them to us.

Orly held up a pamphlet of Vattel’s “Law of Nations,” and made the statement, the founders relied on this document (for the definition of NBC). But no, they did not. At least not judging from what they wrote in the Constitution.

I disagree. May I bring your attention to the following citation, U.S.C. A1, §8, C10:

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

De Vattel encompassed the only written definition of “Natural-born Citizen” in any law of nations reference before the date of the signing of the Constitution. I have done exhaustive research on this and I have yet to find any other source of any “law of nations” reference by any nation or individual that mirrors the one clearly mentioned in the Constitution.

Even if one says it’s not, it’s clear that “Natural Born” is a “law of nations” term as it applies to citizenship law. In order for citizenship law to apply, one must always consider the laws of other nations, hence the “law of nations”, when considering one’s own citizenship laws.

I would be willing to bet that if you come up with any other definition in any other “laws of nations” citations, the same principles will apply to de Vattel as he was the genius who consolidated all the common laws of nations at the time.

I really tire of hearing these ambiguous arguments that “no, they weren’t referring to de Vattel’s reference”, then come up with no real answer to what they were referring to. Just point me in the “right” direction and I’ll retract what I’m arguing here.

In Hawaii, WND was able to locate at the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the “Births, Marriages, Death” section read: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”

Whether the birth announcement is actually there or not, though, I agree that it’s a distraction. Even if it’s real, does it prove where BO was born? No. Which document is better for proving place of birth: the long form certificate of live birth or a birth announcement that doesn’t even identify the birth location (hospital? at home? etc.?)

JJ, still connected with a few in Tn. but left over corruption. I am one, if I see a wrong, I will try to set it straight, however Tennessee turned into a Chicago style government a while back and Alexander and Corker just made it worse. Tennessee went to the gutter under Gov. Blanton and his Corruption and now you have two Senators that don’t do anything, unless they themselves stand to gain monetarily. I am originally from Knoxville/Maryville area. So hey to a fellow Tennesean!

Redo……HRC will be behind bars once the truth comes out…..so she will have prevented any run to be POTUS by selling her soul to the FRAUD…I would say she knows all about his ineligibility as do the rest of the players in the last election…..the problem for HRC….she represents the party that ran an illegal candidate….they won and she did nothing to stop the HOAX….not a good situation to be in!
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I agree, and not being a HRC supporter, I sincerely believe in my soul she was threatened and if not threatened, blackmailed.

I’ll always believe that and mama bear will do anything to save her cub.

Jonah-I don’t know what you wrote that made me remember this–note: article says father from Kenya. Are Bush and Clintons available for research? I read months ago Obama’s were
“sealed” at the request of the family.
If there is a possibility of treason, can a church any church in the United States of America be held accountable? Since physically it is on the soil of the United States of America? I know of seperation of church and state, but is treason allowable by a church, any church? Could it be considered that they are actively participating? In other words say a mosque was planning treasonous activities against the United States what would the remedy be in law?
*Mormon leader presents family history to Obama
President grateful » ‘Our family will treasure [it] for years to come.’
By Matt Canham
The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 07/21/2009 10:25:35 AM MDT
President Barack Obama meets with (from left) Sen. Harry Reid from Nevada, Joshua DuBois, director of the White House Office for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, LDS Church President Thomas Monson and Elder Dallin Oaks in the Oval Office on July 20. (Official White House photograph by Pete Souza)Washington » Mormon Church leaders presented President Barack Obama with a detailed family tree in five leather-bound volumes Monday during a private meeting in the Oval Office.
The 30-minute sit-down was the first time Obama has met with Thomas S. Monson, president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Monson was escorted by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the highest ranking Mormon in the government, and LDS Apostle Dallin Oaks, the chairman of the faith’s genealogical committee.
LDS leaders have made a tradition of presenting presidents with genealogical breakdowns, giving similar reports to Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, but none have been as varied as Obama’s, whose mother was from Kansas and whose father was from Kenya. Previous ancestral examinations have uncovered Obama’s Irish and German lineage as well.

JS @ 3:23: let’a assume for the moment that SOS gets suited up with some stripe PJ’s (like the Denver Broncos are wearing this season! hehe!
but heck: at 5-0…hey! whatever works!):
and there actually ARE elections (sorry, I tend to lean in JeffM’s direction, but for different reasons: that there won’t BE any…)…
who might be the viable Dem candidate$$$$?
What thinketh ye?

JJ
“I’ll always believe that and mama bear will do anything to save her cub.” and a papa bear too. For weeks after the Hillary thing, Bill (usually an easy going guy in public) was like a wild man. I thought something was up then, he was like that for about a month, something definitely does not add there.

A friend sent this to me….don’t know if it is really true or not….but it is funny!!! :):):)

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San Francisco Examiner
May 21, 2009
Dumb as a box of Rocks

A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF REPRESENTATION WE HAVE IN CONGRESS, TRUE STORY:

A noted psychiatrist was a guest speaker at an academic function where Nancy Pelosi happened to appear. Pelosi took the opportunity to schmooze the good doctor a bit and asked him a question with which he was most at ease.

‘Would you mind telling me, Doctor,’ she asked, ‘how you detect a mental deficiency in somebody who appears completely normal?’

‘Nothing is easier,’ he replied. ‘You ask a simple question which anyone should answer with no trouble. If the person hesitates, that puts you on the track.’

‘What sort of question?’ asked Pelosi.

Well, you might ask, ‘Captain Cook made three trips around the world and died during one of them. Which one?”

Pelosi thought a moment, and then said with a nervous laugh, ‘You wouldn’t happen to have another example would you? I must confess I don’t know much about history.’

And for those of you who question the use of Vattel in writing the Constitution, ask the scholars who recently re-translated the current Law of Nations.

Here is an excerpt from John Roland of the U.S. Constitution Society back in 1999:

This 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel is of special importance to scholars of constitutional history and law, for it was read by many of the Founders of the United States of America, and informed their understanding of the principles of law which became established in the Constitution of 1787.

Chitty’s notes and the appended commentaries by Edward D. Ingraham, used in lectures at William and Mary College, provide a valuable perspective on Vattel’s exposition from the viewpoint of American jurists who had adapted those principles to the American legal experience.

carmen, I don’t think anyone can answer that question with certainty. Normally what happens is the line of succession goes like this:

Vice President (Biden)
Speaker of the House (Pelosi)
President pro tempore of the Senate (Byrd)
Secretary of State (Clinton)
Secretary of the Treasury (Geitner)
Secretary of Defense (Gates)

It can be argued that every vote for BO was a vote for Biden, and if BO’s election was fraudulent, then so was Biden’s election. Pelosi was the one who certified that BO was eligible, so at best, she would be “tainted” with his fraud. Next would come Senator Byrd, but he is ill. Next could come Hillary Clinton, but it could be argued that her appointment as Secretary of State is legally “void”, because BO’s election was void. Same could be said of Geitner. It is possible that we could go to Sec. Def. Gates, who was appointed by President Bush.

JeffM….@ 4:05 p.m….good points…..I too am tired of hearing that we don’t know what is meant by “natural born” because NO court has ruled on it recently…..come on….you must take the legal cases as a whole…..plus the Law of Nations…..if a case were to be tried on it’s merits….where else would the justices go for confirmation of their judgment when it is not defined in the Constitution per say???/

Would like to know who will replace O when he is evicted?
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Carmen…I think that is the $64,000 question…..for now we need to just focus on getting the truth out there and this FRAUD out of the White House…..Anyone with knowledge of this HOAX must be dealt with and put behind bars….as Leo D says….. “we shall see how deep the rabbit hole is”!!!!!

Carmen, “Would like to know who will replace O when he is evicted?” We can only hope it is a perp walk.

You raise a good question. We elect electors that in turn vote for Pres and Vice Pres. In years past we could have a P and VP from different parties as they received “separate votes” from the electors.

ie from Answers.com

It has happened many times that the P and VP have been of different parties, for example Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr, but, the possibility of this occurring has narrowed since the Twelfth Amendment stating that the P and VP should run for election on a “Joint Ticket”. In theory it could still happen today due to the fact that in the Electoral College each “elector” votes for both a P and a VP, Faithless electors could simply vote for a P of one party and a VP of another President (however, many would be punished by state law). However, they could also abstain from voting for the VP which would allow the other Vice Presidential nominee to have more votes. An example of a Rouge or Faithless elector is in 2000, when Barbara Simmons refused to vote for Al Gore and Joe Lieberman as she pledged to do so, she did this so people would take notice of Washington DC’s lack of representation.

Because the P and VP received the “same” vote by the electors one has to trow out the VP with the P. Here is where it gets sticky. The constitution says ,paraphrasing, If a President shall have failed to qualify then the VP shall assume the duties until a candidate shall qualify”. In other words the VP only takes office if the duly elected qualified P has died or other wise can not perform his/her duties.

Now this has gone beyond the point where qualification should have taken place so I believe we have to deal with this as him being a usurper and being “removed” from office. VP goes with him. The investigation will dis-qualify many in the normal line of succession. So we may be looking at a special election, something I hope we do not have.

PD re clip: now ya got me nervous…since reading they wanna do away with Columbus Day…could St. Patty’s be next?! Now that the Irish signed onto the Lisbon Treaty/EU thing, all bets are off. All I can tell ya is that’s there’s gonna be some mean-greenies in my ‘hood if the pub gets clamped! Or is that ‘verklampt’?!

JS @ 3:23: let’a assume for the moment that SOS gets suited up with some stripe PJ’s (like the Denver Broncos are wearing this season! hehe!
but heck: at 5-0…hey! whatever works!):
and there actually ARE elections (sorry, I tend to lean in JeffM’s direction, but for different reasons: that there won’t BE any…)…
who might be the viable Dem candidate$$$$?
What thinketh ye?
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Re-do…….I really haven’t given that a thought….I am too busy with the crisis at hand….I would say someone who is not in prison…not sure who that would be!!!!

I think that these suits are so important on many levels-getting the word out, holding the “government accountable” substitute DNC/Obama and you have the same crime in a different form. I don’t know if the link will pick-up the video but you must see it.
Madoff victims sue SEC for ‘negligence’
CNNMoney.com – Aaron Smith, Miguel Susana – ‎1 hour ago‎
Two who say they lost millions to the convicted Ponzi schemer accuse the regulator of failing to protect investors. By Aaron Smith, CNNMoney.
Video: Madoff Victim Speaks Out Fox Business

JJ, I am from Tn, but presently in another state. So hey to a fellow Tennessean. I Know the Politic’s well there. Was at one time very involved there but as they chose to move toward the Chicago way, we agreed to disagree. I am from the Knoxville/Maryville area and still keep in touch. Alexander and Corker both are useless unless there monetary gain in it for them and their pals. Tennessee started on a downhill slope with Blanton and hav e continued on that course with the likes of Alexander & Blanton.

JJ, still connected with a few in Tn. but left over corruption. I am one, if I see a wrong, I will try to set it straight, however Tennessee turned into a Chicago style government a while back and Alexander and Corker just made it worse. Tennessee went to the gutter under Gov. Blanton and his Corruption and now you have two Senators that don’t do anything, unless they themselves stand to gain monetarily. I am originally from Knoxville/Maryville area. So hey to a fellow Tennesean!
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I hear you loud and clear…I am okay with Kentucky…was upset with McConnell for voting bailout, but just discovered he only voted one for wall street and he is riding the bronco on this govt-run health care, so he’s my hero now…Bunning, also is against all above, and Rand Paul is running for Bunning’s position since he’s retiring.

Maybe I missed it, but why doesn’t Gov. Lingle act if the supporting documents to the COLB do not exist in Hawaii? Why can’t she state in plain English that there’s nothing there, if that’s the case? She’s part of the GOP.
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When you think about Lingle, think Arlen Specter. An R in HI is a left-of-center liberal with an identity disorder. HI is Chicago West.
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Thank you for your response, but Lingle and Palin are friends. Lingle just needs to say there is nothing in the files. Leo D. has requested clarification. How long before they respond?

Hillary Clinton, but it could be argued that her appointment as Secretary of State is legally “void”, because BO’s election was void.

Plus the fact she is usurping her position as she voted for her own pay raise (regardless to whether or not she accepted that pay raise, as stated in Article I).

If we go the pure empirical quo warranto route, the rightful winner of the 2008 election should be placed in office. But alas, this would mean at the very least the electors representing the true winner of the election, Ralph Nader, must re-convene in every state he won and cast their votes there.

But from the Constitutional perspective, this would follow the guise of being “failed to have qualified”, and thus CONgrass would decide on who the president and vice president would be.

Somehow that resembles the ole’ out of the frying pan and into the fire scenario.

Well I saw the thing coming out of the sky
It had one long horn and one big eye
I commenced to shakin’ and I said ooh-wee
It looks like a purple people eater to me
It was a one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater…

To All of You Who Refuse to Accept the Fact that a Legal Definition of NBC Does not Exist:

Stop equating a reasonable analysis that NBC means what Leo, or Orly, or any one of you says it means; with a legal ruling from a federal appeals court in a case on point that, this is what NBC means.

The single biggest obstacle in the way of redressing the wrongs perpetrated in this past election cycle has been combating the misinformation plastered throughout the internet by practitioners claiming to be ‘on our side.’

Once and for all:

1. No legal definition of NBC exists.
2. A court of law cannot exercise mandamus to compel a government official to perform a ministerial function not explicitly spelled out in the statute.
3. Just because a government official is not required to vet a candidate’s eligibility for the job before authorizing the name to be printed on a state ballot reserved by law for eligible candidates, does not preclude this official from excluding from the ballot a candidate known to be ineligible for the office.
4. No HI newspaper printed an announcement of BO’s birth.
5. The people who are as certain BO is a NBC as you are that, he is not, are not ‘less than’ you. They are not ‘bots’ or any of the other crass names you use to describe your fellow citizens. Their votes are not meaningless, their elected representatives no less worthy of office, and their ongoing support for BO and his policies no less deserving of our respect. They are not less godly, or less decent, or less inclined to credit the truth, when they hear it.

I thought you’d want to know that Zachary’s
situation was mentioned twice last night on
Fox News (Sean and Bill O). Both were sympathetic towards Zachary (who actually spoke a little segment). Since his circumstance was brought to light on this blog I thought readers would want to be aware of the outcome as reported by FOX.
brought forward from last night’s thread…
maddie // October 13, 2009 at 10:44 pm
****** Breaking News for Zachary********

ZACHARY —School board has amended
Zachary’s punishment. Not 45 days in reform school. However, he still has several days of
suspension. This was just on Fox News .

Zachary’s “knife” was not just that but included a “spork” eating utensil that school cafeterias commonly dispense to kids to eat their lunches.

Sooo OT….
My husband got real sick last weekend(him being a guy, I can’t say how sick)but went to DR. Monday…….visit cost $30 and his blood work $19.50….Husband asked how he could do that and he said, God allowed it and he prayed a lot.
My yearly check-up for my one prescription will be with the country doctor.
God bless doctors like him, huh??

JustMe—I will google this. I am very interested in doing what we can to inform ourselves and take action. Did you read all of the WND article today by chance? We need to get on this before it’s too late. More ideas later, after I have a chance to think more. Later night….

You’re right about purple lips being a feature of Indonesia, but also Southeast Asia and apparently North Africa.

There are also many medical conditions associated with purple lips, but often the discoloration is not generalized in the same way as those whose genetic makeup manifest in this way.

What makes Obama suspect is his history of not just cocaine, but crack cocaine. Because it is metabolized in the lungs, it does interfere with oxygenation of the blood and results in this pigmentation not only of the lips, but the oral cavity as well.

Just to prove your point however I’m posting a picture of an Indonesian tourguide:

In Hawaii, WND was able to locate at the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the “Births, Marriages, Death” section read: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”

On our local news.
Florida Gov Charlie Christ is instituting a state wide anti-corruption unit, because of so much corruption in the State. It will be a task force. Something to the effect that WE THE PEOPLE are getting the impression that everyone that goes into government is automatically a “crook”. Has to do with perceptions.

I spent the greater part of 2 days (house falling down around me) doing research on the Internet about this. Leo’s plight reenergized me to revisit this leg of the spider. My prior research in this area was done when “O” nominated Harold Koh, due to his views on Shari’a Law. I posted only a few links to websites/articles here to test the waters a few threads ago.

I realize most are focused on the NBC issue here. But, there are many legs to this spider. I realize it’s dizzying just trying to grasp all of it.

No doubt we are deep into it. I’m interested in knowing more about your ideas later.

Re-do-I have no Irish in me at all, but my god-parents were Irish. If some idiot even thinks they will do away with St. Patrick’s Day…that would be the absolutely without doubt the stupidest decision anyone could make. The Irish would get their “Irish” up, and I’ve seen well especially the redheads, they would be flaming they would be so angry.

Maybe I missed it, but why doesn’t Gov. Lingle act if the supporting documents to the COLB do not exist in Hawaii? Why can’t she state in plain English that there’s nothing there, if that’s the case? She’s part of the GOP.
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When you think about Lingle, think Arlen Specter. An R in HI is a left-of-center liberal with an identity disorder. HI is Chicago West.
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Thank you for your response, but Lingle and Palin are friends. Lingle just needs to say there is nothing in the files. Leo D. has requested clarification. How long before they respond?
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The fact that Lingle has not addressed this issue in the past several months is evidence of which side Lingle is on. Which do you think is more important to Lingle, her political career or her alleged “friendship” with Palin?

Barack Obama and State of Hawaii on the ropes.
October 14, 10:23 AMPortland Civil Rights ExaminerDianna Cotter
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Liberty Lost

The latest legal turn out of Hawaii leaves very little wiggle room for the state.

On July 27th 2009 The Hawaii Department of Health in a press release declared that Barack Obama was a Natural Born Citizen.

Researcher Justin Riggs on July 29th was informed by email that Hawaii Attorney General Mark Bennett reviewed and approved the Statement released by DoH Director Fukino.

Attorney Leo Donofrio has been investigating the irregularities in the State of Hawaii at his Blog Natural Born Citizen and has published a copy of the emails between Riggs and the Attorney General’s office:

The reason that I am contacting your organizations is that you are, as far as I can tell from my research, the only two groups that have openly stated that President Obama is a natural born citizen (one of the Article II, Section I qualifications for being President). I would like to document how you came to that conclusion: i.e. what the criteria is for your organization, what evidence the candidate provides, etc.
I thank you for your time, and look forward to receiving a response in the near future.
Sincerely,
Justin W. Riggs

According to law, the State of Hawaii must now disclose how it came to the decision that is found in Director Fukino’s July 27th Press Release that was approved by the State’s Attorney General. Haw. Rev. Stat. 28-4 states very clearly that formal opinions of the Attorney general must be made public. Further, The Hawaiian Office of Information Practices in 1991 formally set out the requirements that informal opinions of the AG must also be made available for public inspection. According to Donofrio, under the Uniform Rules of Evidence (Rule 510): “when the conclusions of an informal Attorney General opinion are made public by the agency/client, then the accompanying record of that opinion must also be disclosed to the public:”

The State of Hawaii declared that Obama was a Natural Born Citizen and that this disclosure was approved by the Attorney General of the State. The State of Hawaii must now release any and all communications and documentation that led it to making this determination. Because Janice Okubo on July 29th revealed that the decision was approved by the State’s Attorney General, and the state made its Natural Born Citizen statement, the state is now required by law to disclose how it reached that conclusion. As Donofrio states, there can be no secret law. The State of Hawaii cannot simply make a statement with legal weight, and then when asked to provide how it reached that decision, simply say: ‘You just have to trust us on that’. They must release any and all information that led them to make their public declarations.

On October 5th, Donofrio wrote to the office of the Attorney General, contacting Jill Nagamine:

Dear Ms. Nagamine,
The following request for Government records is made pursuant to the UIPA.
I request a copy (or access to a copy) of the Attorney General Opinion Letter the Attorney General provided to Department of Health Director Fukino which reviewed and approved her July 27, 2009 statement/press release about President Barack Obama wherein it was stated that he is a “natural-born American citizen.”
I request the opinion letter referenced above whether it was prepared as a formal Opinion Letter under Haw. Rev. Stat. 28-3 (and/or any other authority) or as an informal letter if prepared under Haw. Rev. Stat. 28-4 (and/or any other authority).

Dear Mr. Donofrio:
No formal (emphasis added) attorney general opinion was generated relating to the July 27, 2009 public statement made by Chiyome L. Fukino, M.D. Any other legal advice rendered to our clients is privileged communication. We have nothing to release based on your request.

Very truly yours,
Jill T. Nagamine
Deputy Attorney General
State of Hawaii

With all due respect to Ms Nagamine, this response is disingenuous in the extreme. First, Mr. Donofrio asked for all formal and informal communications. Under the law, the state has to release this information once any part of the resulting decisions are publically released, which happened on July 27th with Director Fukino’s Press Release, and again on July 29th When Janice Okubo informed Mr. Riggs that the Attorney General approved the statement. Second, Ms Nagamine’s response states that the informal communications are attorney client privilege, where none exists.

According to OIP Opinion letter 91-23, the conclusions of an informal Attorney General opinion made public by the agency or client (The Department of Health) the accompanying record of that opinion must be made public.

A client cannot voluntarily and selectively disclose those portions of a communication between the client and the client’s attorney without forfeiting the right to keep other portions of the communication on the same subject matter privileged.

The privilege may be said to be waived when the client relinquishes its protection. The waiver of this privilege follows as a consequence from any conduct by the client that would make it unfair for the client thereafter to assert the privilege. See generally, Marcus, The Perils of Privilege: Waiver and the Litigator, 84 Mich. L. Rev. 1065 (1986)

Similarly, under Rule 510 of the Uniform Rules of Evidence, the holder of a privilege waives it if the privilege holder consents to the disclosure of “any significant part of the privileged matter.”

The response of Ms Nagamine is very clearly not addressing the informal communications between Director Fukino and the Attorney General. By law, the public has the right to see any communications between these two parties once the client, in this case the Department of Health, publically releases the conclusions reached through those communications.

Donofrio is currently filing an appeal with the OIP, and the Judiciary as well. Because of the nature of the law involved, Donofrio will get that judicial review in an expedited manner.

The State of Hawaii will soon be forced to reveal the information it used to declare Barack Obama a Natural Born citizen. This will be very interesting, considering Obama’s Father was a British Citizen. therefore Barack Obama Jr is also a British Citizen, and was at birth by the very nature of his parentage.

Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600’s is not, was not, and never has been a Natural Born Citizen. It does not matter where Barack Obama was born; he was a dual American/British/Kenyan citizen. He could have been born on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. itself, and it would not matter. The basic fact of Barack Obama’s parentage remains the same. A Dual Citizen cannot ever be a Natural Born Citizen.

There is absolutely no doubt.

There is an Usurper in the White House, and his name is Barack Obama. He and those who aided him in this usurpation, including the DNC are guilty of Treason to the United States. Every law that has been passed, every treaty signed, every order issued to the military has zero legal weight.

This leads to a singularly terrifying reality that must be dealt with. The United States does not have a constitutional government.

This is the reason the Democrats in Congress are pushing things through as fast as they possibly can, without reading and in the case of the Senate even writing the legislation they are voting on. Once it becomes public knowledge what the Democrats and the DNC have done in their fraud upon America with Barack Obama, they will not be able to get anything done. Rightly so.

This is a scandal and cover-up 100 times the size of Watergate. This time, it won’t be just a President resigning in disgrace, it will also be the DNC Leadership who will be under the criminal investigation microscope for the cover-up, and it is a scrutiny they cannot withstand.

This is the reason Barack Obama is doing everything he can to keep people focused on the irrelevant issue of his birth certificate. He would rather people be thinking about where he was born rather than the citizenship that was conferred upon him by his British father.

The smoke and mirrors have cleared. This is no longer a partisan issue, partisan issues are reserved for constitutional governments, which we do not have. There is only those who understand the peril we are in, and those who do not, and we are all Americans.

Are you saying that, because WND/Farah/Western Center for Journalism/Unruh says something, it is fact?

Didn’t you read the footnote in BO’s Motion to Dismiss in the Hollister case? Evidently, even BO and his lawyers had no idea this so-called birth announcement existed. Indeed, they not only failed to inform the court but they also failed to post that announcement on the FTS web site, alongside the COLB. And APFC failed to attribute that same newspaper announcement WND claims existed – if your cite is right; I don’t read WND – even though they did print an unattributed image on their site, which phantom image I have already demonstrated is a fake.

Re-Dude: It is been my experience one needs to be “ultra” careful of what you accuse another of doing. Therefore, Judge Bland’s sanction on Dr. Taitz tells me more about him than it does about Dr. Taitz. Think back on his behavior in the court room…would you have expected him to do no less than sanction Dr. Taitz? He was rude, obnoxious, and quite “political” himself…all of the things he accuses Dr. Taitz of doing. How he ever got to be a judge at all is beyond me! The man needs a “brain transfusion” IMHO. As with most supporters of the pp, he needs a little cheese with that whine!

However, I am impressed with Carter. He strikes me as a judge who likes his ducks in a row…a no-nonsense kind of guy. I also think his military background makes him more polished and controlled mentally than Judge Bland and less likely to fly off the handle or throw a “hissy fit.” I think he will rule wisely because he is wise. After all, didn’t he cue into the importance of this case quickly and refuse to be side-tracked? He also refused to let the DOJ pawns sneak their little MTD in at the last minute.

JS @ 6:36: for us non-legal-type-nincompoops:
(or just this one) WOW! can this info be used in any measure in what I’ll refer to as ‘the Carter case’…and the schedule that’s laid out there, leading up to 1-26-10?

Prairie: I’m no ‘computer geek’…I just followed what came up when I Googled “Sunday Standard”, and it opened the site without any hitch; maybe you could try it that way instead of the link I posted…which I simply highlighted the URL at the top to ‘copy’ and ‘paste’ as usual.

I hope none have difficulty. Anyway, what the link shows is that it’s a periodical based in Botswana…which is what surprised me; wouldn’t have guessed it was not ‘in the continental US’.

Here are the past articles on the birth announcements. The paper is the Sunday Advertiser. Blow up the pictures and save them for your own files. No reason to bicker back and forth just do the research and decide for yourselves. Texas darlin was on the frontline of this issue but is no longer available. Who knows who placed the announcements and when but they are there now.

1. Running a statement by the AG is not the same as having the AG issue a formal opinion, which is numbered and catalogued.
2. Saying someone is a NBC does not trigger more disclosure because a) such statement is based on public knowledge, i.e., NP’s Certification of Nomination submitted to HI election officials; and b) the Commissioner did not represent that she was issuing this opinion as part of her official duties and responsibilities; and c) as a lay person, she cannot be expected to issue a legal analysis of what is a NBC. See, again, Leo, Justin, and others desperately want to ‘catch’ someone saying something that triggers a law requiring them to open up the books. But even ASSUMING their strained interpretation of events is accurate, this still will not trigger an opening up of the books. Rather, this will only trigger a withdrawal of the statement, and an apology for inadvertently misleading people into thinking, it meant more than was intended.

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Prairie……I just sent this article far and wide and I sent a letter to the Sunday Standard asking them to confirm this information and that if this is true then the FRAUD in our house and the DNC need to be tried for treason!!! I also sent it to 100’s of other media outlets!!!! I will let you all know if I get a response from the editor!!!

carmen: Thanks… How is everything going? Have been thinking about all of you there and praying all will survive this tragedy without too much of a disruption to their lives. I believe some good comes out of every bad thing that happens. If anything, your community came together to help those who were having difficulty. That, in itself, was a blessing!

1. Running a statement by the AG is not the same as having the AG issue a formal opinion, which is numbered and catalogued.
2. Saying someone is a NBC does not trigger more disclosure because a) such statement is based on public knowledge, i.e., NP’s Certification of Nomination submitted to HI election officials; and b) the Commissioner did not represent that she was issuing this opinion as part of her official duties and responsibilities; and c) as a lay person, she cannot be expected to issue a legal analysis of what is a NBC. See, again, Leo, Justin, and others desperately want to ‘catch’ someone saying something that triggers a law requiring them to open up the books. But even ASSUMING their strained interpretation of events is accurate, this still will not trigger an opening up of the books. Rather, this will only trigger a withdrawal of the statement, and an apology for inadvertently misleading people into thinking, it meant more than was intended.
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so LnNY: would you go so far as stating that the action taken against Orly could actually aid her case in the ‘end run’? It is true that ‘traps’ folks set for others often end up becoming their own undoing.

You’re missing the big picture here. The definition is there. It’s just that no court has made a decision to qualify this definition of Natural Born Citizen as it pertains to Article 1.

Just because it’s not explicit in the Constitution doesn’t mean there is no legal definition. And the courts don’t make statutes, the Legislative Branch does. If there is no “definition”, then the law is moot and should be treated as such. Some how I doubt this is the case. What the courts should be doing is to follow the law and ask “what did the authors of this statute intend as they were writing it?”. Instead, what all the babboons in these courts are doing is “what does this statute mean to my own selfish arrogant ass?”

The Constitution CLEARLY states that Congress has the right to enforce the Law of Nations. And the Law of Nations clearly states what a Natural Born Citizen is.

Quite frankly the reason why our justice system takes so long to get anything done is they fail time and time again to follow the KISS rule: keep it simple, stupid.

And this is how simple it is:

1. Follow the Constitution
2. Don’t Violate the Law of Nations
3. Don’t try to change a legal definition that was there in black and white 20 years before the Constitution was signed.

Prairie-re: what the dog dug up-Either someone was sitting on this waiting for just the right time, or someone really dug until they found. They still are looking for the Keyes/Obama video where Obama told Keyes he’s not qualified-a bit of an aside.

You’re missing the big picture here. The definition is there. It’s just that no court has made a decision to qualify this definition of Natural Born Citizen as it pertains to Article 1.

Just because it’s not explicit in the Constitution doesn’t mean there is no legal definition. And the courts don’t make statutes, the Legislative Branch does. If there is no “definition”, then the law is moot and should be treated as such. Some how I doubt this is the case. What the courts should be doing is to follow the law and ask “what did the authors of this statute intend as they were writing it?”. Instead, what all the babboons in these courts are doing is “what does this statute mean to my own selfish arrogant ass?”

The Constitution CLEARLY states that Congress has the right to enforce the Law of Nations. And the Law of Nations clearly states what a Natural Born Citizen is.

Quite frankly the reason why our justice system takes so long to get anything done is they fail time and time again to follow the KISS rule: keep it simple, stupid.

And this is how simple it is:

1. Follow the Constitution
2. Don’t Violate the Law of Nations
3. Don’t try to change a legal definition that was there in black and white 20 years before the Constitution was signed.
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JeffM…I agree…if there is NO legal definition then why have the stipulation in the Constitution…..and yes….Congress is guilty of not doing a proper job of vetting!!

Michelle: Thanks for reminding us of that video. You would think Keyes would access to it. It sure would be good evidence for Dr. Taitz’ case, don’t you think? Especially, since it came out of his own mouth! That article Prairie found should be sent to Dr. Taitz, too!

You don’t ‘get it.’ The presumption in court is that Defendant will submit “best evidence” of the fact he wants noticed. BO wanted to establish he was for real; so, he cited the fact, APFC “noted” a “contemporaneous” newspaper birth announcement. Did he say there WAS a newspaper birth announcement? No; only that APFC noted there was one. Did he NAME the newspaper? No; he only said APFC noted one.

Did APFC, who supposedly authenticated the on-line COLB for BO and on its web site, belittles anyone dismissing the existence of a newspaper birth announcement, which phantom image they post along with their ridicule, NAME the newspaper whose ‘announcement’ they feature on their site? No.

There was no birth announcement.

Now, have all of the readers here from TX, GA, VA, HI, and SC downloaded and filed complaints of election fraud with their state A’sG?

While I have read several anecdotal reports,
I have not been able to obtain scientific documentation of the direct effects of chronic cocaine use on oral pigmentation, except in so far as I have posted, that is the cyanotic effects of inhalation. I don’t think it’s a powerful enough effect, so I will withdraw my post.

LindaNY, I am so appreciative of the prayers. Yes everyone with jobs is back to work and our community is close, almost everyone knows everyone. The American people are the warmest, most loving and most generous people in the world. It is a privilege to be a part of all this where God has blessed us so much. I am going to try and form a Ladies group that can get the word out on O’s ineligability, it shouldn’t be too hard I don’t know what my black friends will say, but everyone needs to know the truth. God bless

Rep. Sue Myrick, R-N.C., founder of the anti-terrorism caucus, says “Muslim Mafia, Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America,” a publication of WND Books to hit the shelves tomorrow, ties the allegations to an internal memo by CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

An explosive new book based on a daring six-month undercover operation exposing the subversive agenda of the Council on American-Islamic Relations reveals the Muslim group spent $160,000 in an unsuccessful effort to run top-rated nationally syndicated radio host Michael Savage off the air.

“We know that the Nordyke twins were born in a Hawaiian hospital. The long form birth certificates for the Nordyke twins have been released to the public. Yet, their birth announcement is nowhere to be found.

However, the birth announcement for AKA Obama is there for all to see even though there is no long form birth certificate for AKA Obama.

One could reasonable assume that the birth announcement for the Nordyke twins was removed and replaced with a bogus AKA Obama announcement.”

WND said they actually went to the microfilm and saw the newspaper birth announcements. That’s a pretty strong statement to just dismiss. Like it or not, they are believed by many to be honestly trying to purvey some truth on this matter.

You have a lot of good circumstantial evidence to your position. But I think the only way to clear this up is to go look at the newspaper or get a specific statement from the newspaper.

In the end, abscence of response from the newspaper (see Greg Gross) is not really a definitive answer.

Since I am a skeptic, I would like to see a photograph of the newapaper page showing that the BHO item is not on there. Surely if you are right, there is such a thing. I don’t think the whole page is made up. If it is indeed fake, somebody just faked this little bit. Better yet, some library somewhere must have an actual paper copy of this newpaper.

Reading the Sunday Standard articles- notice Barack is spelled Barrack. I can’t help think something is up with the spelling. What reporter would interview a Senator and spell the name wrong repeatedly?

twe: I do not like “purple lip color” whether it is natural, drug-induced, or lip-stick color. Purple is a very popular color for young girls. That’s where my mind was. Guess I thought yours was in the wrong place…my bad. I’ll take my noodle lashing now.

it occurred in Virginia. Both the author and the guy that went undercover working as a “grunt” in the organization were interviewed on Savage’s show. Of course he was treading carefully during the interview. I’m sure he doesn’t want another lawsuit.

Many parallels in what Leo has talked about in Nashville at the DNC and in Virginia, as I heard it.

I just hope I can survive after Al Gore wiped out the Tennessee Snail Darter for the sake of the TVA Dam (opps) Damm project. What an Environmentalist he is…. What a Joke… However, I am a direct proponent of Alexander and Corker both whereby I support most of their policies (of course, not all).

As revealed in a new book detailing the operation and its findings, the Washington, D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, is not the beneficent Muslim civil-rights group it claims to be. Rather, as indisputable evidence now shows, CAIR and other “mainstream” Islamic groups are acting as fronts for a well-funded conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood – the parent of al-Qaida and Hamas – to infiltrate and destroy the American system

JJ…………………………………………..
I attended high school with a person who is today a retired Superior Court judge. We were active in sports in high school,and it was while pursuing our individual sports that I befriended him. I felt that I would like to somehow help Leo,and it occurred to me to try soliciting the judge’s help.He advised me that ordinarily either retired or active Judges keep out of each other’s jurisdictions. As a longtime friend he offerred to make a few inquiries in Leo’s behalf. He provided me with the name of Lamar Alexander. I don’t know if he actually contacted Alexander, or just someone in his office. Nonetheless he telephoned me and said that I should get in contact with Senator Alexander. I in turn provided this information to CW with the hope that it would be usefu,somehow

William, I left the state for the time being, however, you can take a girl out of the mountains but somehow the heart stays there. As for Alexander and Corker, when I look at how they vote, it shows self interest and corruption, so I can’t stand by them. You either work for the people that elected you or you serve your self interest. I doubt either will be re-elected. to bad their term is basically just started. Al Gore and his corrupt Father did nothing for Tennessee, that is why Tennessee voted against Gore for President. Not sure how things are in Chattanooga, but Knox County Corruption Is just like Nashville. In the last three years the people took control, went to court threw the sheriff and County Commission out and managed to get term limits enacted so hopefully this will stop the criminal politicians. I much rather be in Tennessee.

Prairie: could be something…could be nothing:
folks here frequently ‘err’ and write yours as “Prarie”…and “Glen” Beck…when it’s correctly spelled “Glenn”. I don’t even go there with OldSalt77!!! (hehe…) he makes no apologies, and so neither do I. Still: it could truly be an intentional ‘diversion’? perhaps.

Is there some one who can advise me as to what happened? There was a video on my web site Usapatriots-shout.com entitled: Did Obama Poisen His Grandmother” For no explainable reason to me, the title is still there but there is simply a blank spot where the video was. Did some computer wizard hack into my site and remove? How could just one item be removed like that?