Dale - Farm - The results show

I see lots of words and feck all substance.
I would suggest post occupation, the land may be contaminated by the same brown substance emanating from the VNA keyboard...I would sugged an assessment and BIO Remediation of the soils if required followed by a consultation with the locals as to what more appropriate use for the land they would like to see.
Basildon Council are there to represent the law abiding citizens of the area...kinda down to them to determine the future in their own area there seems little doubt that the locals want rid.
Waffling about inconsistency in the application of law is disengenuous at best and does not in any way excuse the breaking of the rules even a 20 year breaking of the rules.

But as we know, and Basildon Council have acknowledged this, there are not enougth 'legal' sites. Add to that that we know many councils generally turn down planning permission on land that Travellers purchase.

Basildon council then offers the travellers bricks and mortar, which at the moment is a bit like offering a cat a place in a dog home.

Like I say there has to be long term solutions, something Basildon Council, like many others and indeed our government are not interested in, and nor does it seem that Big Mac or Phil are able to comprehend.

And no Phil this is not a one off issue, it's an issue right across the UK.

As the VNA magnetic pole continues to drift the facts remain....It is not Basildons problem to find a place for these people it is theirs. The accussation that others may or may not be concerned with provision made for these people are bollocks...the provisions made should be the exact same as they are for every law abiding citizen.
I comprehend fine and well that these people want to flout the rules --stick two fingers up at their neighbours and when eventually caught out will they comply with the rules? no they will mount barricades - they will cause commotion and when eventually kicked out they will transfer their illegality to another undeserving location. What very few of them will do is say...'Shit...better get on the housing list and a proper tax paying job' which of course would be a long term solution.
I note the complete evasion of a pertinent answer...not unusual in Andyland..Why are these people better than the rest of society?

verynastyandy wrote:Whatever happens the land will still belong to the travellers.

Once they are booted out they can always turn it into a scrapyard.

I rode past Dales Farm yesterday, everyone looks sad, fed up and bored, it just needs closure this whole thing, they should move out now, today -for the sake of their own dignity at least because eviction will rob of that for sure.

Gloating over the trouble these people cause in my part of the world doesn't do you., or indeed them, any credit.

I'm certainly not gloating. I am laughing at the blind stupidity of Basildon Council. Though to be honest it is no laughing matter, particularity for the Travellers who, some of whom will be being evicted for the second time in recent times, it will be a traumatic experience, and of course for those, like yourself Phil, who will have to foot the massive bill for continued actions that achieve nothing. Not to mention that it's likely that this site will end up like Hovefields.

So, Hovefeilds, Dale Farm, where will Basildon Council spend their next millions evicting the same people?

If there was a nobel prize for crass stupidity VNA would be up there.
There is no 'solution' required other than the end of the illegality...where these people fetch up thereafter after termination of their illegality is no-ones problem other than their own. They have the same options open to them as any other homeless person albeit if means tested their unusual earning habits may require some scrutiny.
There are a number of recourses thereafter including compulsory purchase ...If people are evicted legally then their assets could be sequestrated to fund the actions...in this case I believe the council could sequestrate the land sell it to a social landlord and these people if they wish to return to the area can join the list to live in legal housing...my bet is that they wont.
It is for the people of Basildon to decide what they want --not people like VNA hundreds of miles away...yet taking issue with a local who is quite clear what he wants.
I support the people who legally go about their business in Basildon and at the moment VNA you don't simple as....Oh and that once again is a Fact.
The suggestion that VNA could start a fight in an empty room and come off second is merely a theory.

This is an issue right across the UK. That is the lack of suitable Travellers sites. It's a simple issue.

Meaningless phrases such as "the end of the illegality" gets nobody anywhere.

I wonder how much it cost to clear Hovefields Drive? Current estimates for Dale Farm are running at 18,000,000. That's over 200,000 per family.

I wonder how much it will cost to move The Dale farm residents from their next location.

I wonder if Basildon Council has limitless funds to carry out it's pointless policy.

There are a number of recourses thereafter including compulsory purchase

Basildon Council have stated that the land will continued to be owned by The Travellers.

if they wish to return to the area can join the list to live in legal housing

That's exactly what they want to do. To live on a legal site. But Basildon Council persecute them and deny them that opportunity.

It is for the people of Basildon to decide what they want --not people
like VNA hundreds of miles away...yet taking issue with a local who is
quite clear what he wants.

As I continually point out, I don't start these nasty trolling threads.

The suggestion that VNA could start a fight in an empty room and come off second is merely a theory.

Basildon Council soon won't be able to put up any sort of fight with anyone, never mind provide services. If they keep up this nonsense they will soon be bankrupt and only have themselves to blame. You know what if I was resident in the Basildon area I'd be foccing raging. After all who pays for all this. Basildon Council have no long term policy for addressing these issues. Their policy is to spend millions upon millions of pounds needlessly pushing people around, while burying their heads in the sand and pretending that everything will eventually work itself out.

As I said end the illegality-- for the hard of think that means - stop breaking the law.
This is not an issue for the UK It is an issue for the hand wringing types who think asking people to comply with the law is 'persecution' if it is we should all be equally persecuted.
In another example of stellar idiocy you fail to grasp with your all they want is a legal site comment...they have no right to simply occupy land and demand that they be allowed to do what they want...This is the persecution of their neighbours ...THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS OF BASILDON...Who are also facing the prospect and costs inherent in dealing with this illegality they would be within their rights to sue however then the 'travellers' will become men of straw and melt away.
The pushing around is being carried out be people placing themselves beyond the rule of law and imposing their often insanitary lifestyle upon the decent people of Basildon...
I say end the persecution, end the pushing around...end the illegal occupation and end VNA's drivel...amen