R+L=J is inconsistent with J+D

Many fans believe that if R+L is true Jon will marry Dany. But what about the incest? I know it is old Targaryen's tradition but why do fans want this pairing, if it is abnormal in our society? Moreover, Jon considers himself member of Stark's family so I don't think he will like incest? What do you think?

I don't see Jon and Dany happening at all. First of all Jon is a brother of the Night's Watch. Second, I just can't imagine those two together. And Third: the people suggesting this also think they'll end up king and queen. Jon would probably not even want to be king, and honestly the further away from the Game of Thrones he is the better. And Daenerys can't have children, so there is literally no future for her dynasty (through her at least).

Well, I'll answer this as someone who believes R+L=J and used to believe J+D was coming. (I'm not sure anymore, but I used to be pretty convinced.)

There are two kinds of shipping really--"I'm rooting for this to happen" and "I think this is happening/will happen, whether I'm rooting for it or not." I saw the Jon/Dany pairing as a manifestation of that "bittersweet ending" GRRM talks about. Because they could save the kingdom and marry and maybe even be personally happy, but their dynasty would carry the seeds of its own destruction in that the continued Targ inbreeding would likely result in more Aeryses down the line and history having to repeat itself.

I don't see Jon and Dany happening at all. First of all Jon is a brother of the Night's Watch. Second, I just can't imagine those two together. And Third: the people suggesting this also think they'll end up king and queen. Jon would probably not even want to be king, and honestly the further away from the Game of Thrones he is the better. And Daenerys can't have children, so there is literally no future for her dynasty (through her at least).

((And lastly I don't think either of them will survive)).

About the children: Martin said in SSM that it is not absolutely known that Dany can't have children. He said that it is unknown if Mirri Maz Duur told the truth or not.

About the children: Martin said in SSM that it is not absolutely known that Dany can't have children. He said that it is unknown if Mirri Maz Duur told the truth or not.

I subscribe to the theory that she thought she was telling the truth at the time, because the conditions she mentioned were impossible, but we all know what happens when Burnam Wood comes to Dunsinane.

I don't understand why people want R+L=J and J&D at the same time? I think relationships between aunt and nephew are abnormal. I would love J+D without R+L=J. And I think it is cliche being R+L=J and J&D at the same time.

I don't understand why people want R+L=J and J&D at the same time? I think relationships between aunt and nephew are abnormal. I would love J+D without R+L=J. And I think it is cliche being R+L=J and J&D at the same time.

In a series that has highlighted the incestuous love between twins since the beginning of the series and made mention of brother and sister marrying, I don't think R+L=J marrying Danny would be that big a deal. OP mentions " if it is abnormal in our society? ". - Well this series is not about our society.

I wouldn't even consider that incest. They are not siblings, they are not father-daughter, or mother-son, or any other combination of that sort. They would be aunt-nephew. Matches like that have occurred historically without being considered incest, and are still legal in many parts of the world. It would be weird, yes, from our point of view, but it wouldn't be any more weird than loads of other matches between closely related people found throughout ASoIaF.

Case in point: Rhaenyra Targaryen and her uncle and husband, Daemon Targaryen.

Also, the fact that they are aunt and nephew would be, from their point of view, merely "academic" and probably just politically expedient. It's not like they were raised together and knew from their first years of life that they were related. So far in the story, they haven't even heard about each other. So if they ever meet and end up marrying, from an emotional point of view it will be as if they are not related at all.

I don't understand why people want R+L=J and J&D at the same time? I think relationships between aunt and nephew are abnormal. I would love J+D without R+L=J. And I think it is cliche being R+L=J and J&D at the same time.

Well, people may or may not want J&D, but R+L=J doesn't really have anything to do with what anybody wants. It's just what's written.

Many fans believe that if R+L is true Jon will marry Dany. But what about the incest? I know it is old Targaryen's tradition but why do fans want this pairing, if it is abnormal in our society? Moreover, Jon considers himself member of Stark's family so I don't think he will like incest? What do you think?

What about the incest? That's been occurring since Book One and earlier. It's embedded in the plot. Dany's the product of an incestuous marriage. You remember the passage where Viserys said that if Dany had been born earlier she could have married her brother Rhaegar, to which she replied that if Viserys had been born a girl he could have. Brother-sister is closer than aunt-nephew.

If Jon considers himself a Stark then he's not a Targ so marrying Dany wouldn't be incest in his eyes, would it?

J+D I feel has become more a theoretically popular, instead of actually popular. The sort of theory everyones notes allot believe in but have a hard time giving specific names.

The reason it is so assumed is because Dany, Jon, and Tyrion are the big three. In big series usually two of the big three end up hooking up. Tyrion while popular, no one assumes he is a pair for Dany(or Jon, since both don't swing that way). So it is just naturally assumed those two will hook up, just because.

With that said, Dany & Jon's connection is akin to a cousin marriage, which is not abnormal to this society, even for the Starks.

Also, allot of people that do support it are tied to the show, and have no knowledge of R+L=J.