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Re: Looking to the Future: Victor Olidipo

Marcus Smart is the guy I really want, but he'll likely be a top 5-10 pick.

I like OJ, but I would choose Oladipo over him every day. If we had a chance to take Oladipo I say you take him, unless there is a PF available with equal potential, which is highly unlikely. A general rule for drafting, if there is a player who is head and shoulders above everyone else at your draft position you take him no matter their position, with few exceptions. Only draft for need when there is someone at that position who is relatively close in skill to the best player available at that position.

Re: Looking to the Future: Victor Olidipo

I like OJ, but I would choose Oladipo over him every day. If we had a chance to take Oladipo I say you take him, unless there is a PF available with equal potential, which is highly unlikely. A general rule for drafting, if there is a player who is head and shoulders above everyone else at your draft position you take him no matter their position, with few exceptions. Only draft for need when there is someone at that position who is relatively close in skill to the best player available at that position.

I like the "role player" potential that OJ brings, but if we had Oladipo we would easily have the longest and one of the most athletic guard/swingman rotation in the league between Paul, Victor, Lance and sometimes Hill. Opposing teams guards would HATE to play us. Hell they hate to play us now lol.

Re: Looking to the Future: Victor Olidipo

And yet we're fighting for the top spot in the East with those two guys on the starting unit. To what do you attribute our strong play this year? Dumb luck?

Everyone has contributed at times but Hibbert and Hill are nothing more than role players. They are not star players or produce at a star level. I understood the thread meant that they could join George as a star player soon. Stars are not big liabilities at times like Roy. I know everyone likes Roy and I do too, but lets be real.

Re: Looking to the Future: Victor Olidipo

Everyone has contributed at times but Hibbert and Hill are nothing more than role players. They are not star players or produce at a star level. I understood the thread meant that they could join George as a star player soon. Stars are not big liabilities at times like Roy. I know everyone likes Roy and I do too, but lets be real.

Not to get off topic, but outside of the "superteams" of the world that has a desirable location, and an owner with money to burn, who has a "star" player at virtually every position? EVERY team NEEDS role players within their starting lineup who knows their role, and executes those roles. I feel that George and Roy (defensively speaking) do that quite well.

McGinnis would've been a third, but with the goofy underclassman rules and funny "regional" drafts that the ABA would concoct, he wasn't part of a regular draft process.

Scott May, Archie Dees and Isiah were each #2 overall picks.

Cheaney was a #6 pick, Buckner #7 overall. Bobby Wilkerson was #11 on the coattails of going 63-1 over two seasons.

Eric Gordon was #7, right?

Tom and Dick were both second-round picks. (FN*)

Bob Leonard was a second-round pick as well, #10 overall.

Jeffries was #11 (that wasn't a good idea, was it?)

I think that's the universe of top-12 picks.

Except that Landon Turner certainly would've been top-12. Have any other paralyzed players ever been drafted by an NBA team? Or is Landon the only one?

* Footnote. With only eight teams in the league, Dick was the #10 overall pick and Tom was the #11 pick overall. Also, in the fourth round (pick #24) -- or as we call it today, "late first round" -- from the same IU team was Jon McGlocklin. That was the same draft as future HoF'ers: Goodrich, Bradley, Barry, Sloan and Cunningham. Wowzers!!

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

I can accept Benson and May being considered busts due to their draft position, despite their long careers, but others like Bailey, Haston, Alford, etc. were drafted low or in weak drafts anyway where there weren't many better alternatives when they were actually drafted. There might have been local hype to draft them, but on a national level they were in general not so well-regarded and played neither much worse nor much better than their draft selection slot would have indicated.

As for Victor, he would be a great "get" in the low lottery for his athleticism and work ethic, and a vastly improved shot. His mechanics are good so I see no reason for him to lose an ability to shoot in the NBA. If anything, better competition brings out his best performances.

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Re: Looking to the Future: Victor Olidipo

McGinnis would've been a third, but with the goofy underclassman rules and funny "regional" drafts that the ABA would concoct, he wasn't part of a regular draft process.

Scott May, Archie Dees and Isiah were each #2 overall picks.

Cheaney was a #6 pick, Buckner #7 overall. Bobby Wilkerson was #11 on the coattails of going 63-1 over two seasons.

Eric Gordon was #7, right?

Tom and Dick were both second-round picks. (FN*)

Bob Leonard was a second-round pick as well, #10 overall.

Jeffries was #11 (that wasn't a good idea, was it?)

I think that's the universe of top-12 picks.

Except that Landon Turner certainly would've been top-12. Have any other paralyzed players ever been drafted by an NBA team? Or is Landon the only one?

* Footnote. With only eight teams in the league, Dick was the #10 overall pick and Tom was the #11 pick overall. Also, in the fourth round (pick #24) -- or as we call it today, "late first round" -- from the same IU team was Jon McGlocklin. That was the same draft as future HoF'ers: Goodrich, Bradley, Barry, Sloan and Cunningham. Wowzers!!

Stop getting defensive Hoosiers. I mentioned a couple guys who were clearly better prospects than Oladipo (other than Haston, that was a joke), not some all inclusive list.

Re: Looking to the Future: Victor Olidipo

McGinnis would've been a third, but with the goofy underclassman rules and funny "regional" drafts that the ABA would concoct, he wasn't part of a regular draft process.

Scott May, Archie Dees and Isiah were each #2 overall picks.

Cheaney was a #6 pick, Buckner #7 overall. Bobby Wilkerson was #11 on the coattails of going 63-1 over two seasons.

Eric Gordon was #7, right?

Tom and Dick were both second-round picks. (FN*)

Bob Leonard was a second-round pick as well, #10 overall.

Jeffries was #11 (that wasn't a good idea, was it?)

I think that's the universe of top-12 picks.

Except that Landon Turner certainly would've been top-12. Have any other paralyzed players ever been drafted by an NBA team? Or is Landon the only one?

* Footnote. With only eight teams in the league, Dick was the #10 overall pick and Tom was the #11 pick overall. Also, in the fourth round (pick #24) -- or as we call it today, "late first round" -- from the same IU team was Jon McGlocklin. That was the same draft as future HoF'ers: Goodrich, Bradley, Barry, Sloan and Cunningham. Wowzers!!

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Re: Looking to the Future: Victor Olidipo

Victor is a bit small for my liking at the 2 spot, but he does play good D and he is pretty darn good on the offense. I like his style of play. I want to see more before making a decision on anything of him being a Pacers. I do know this, I had no interest in him last season.

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Re: Looking to the Future: Victor Olidipo

Victor is a bit small for my liking at the 2 spot, but he does play good D and he is pretty darn good on the offense. I like his style of play. I want to see more before making a decision on anything of him being a Pacers. I do know this, I had no interest in him last season.

He's 6'5 with an above average wingspan. In today's NBA, that's plenty of size.