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How would you rate Miller Park against Camden Yards for HRs? There are probably stats somewhere but I don't know where to find them. I believe I'm being reasonable when I show concerns about bringing a fly ball pitcher into our park.

ofahn wrote:How would you rate Miller Park against Camden Yards for HRs? There are probably stats somewhere but I don't know where to find them. I believe I'm being reasonable when I show concerns about bringing a fly ball pitcher into our park.

Trying to compare Joe Saunders at his age, the last three years and the contracts that were given to what would be considered his contemporaries I got the following by using the mentioned filter at BRSpanning two years of baseball seasons 2010 through 2012Being of the age of 29 to 31Having started at least 60% of the games they were in and had at least 60 games played.Sorted by lowest Whip to the highest followed by their 2013 contracts.James Shields 1.103 $9 Jake Peavy 1.172 $14.50 Dan Haren 1.186 $13.00 CC Sabathia 1.188 $23.00 Colby Lewis 1.201 $2.00 C J Wilson 1.256 $11.00 Joe Blanton 1.350 $6.00 Roberto Hernandez 1.355 $3.25 Joe Saunders 1.368 FA Kevin Correia 1.387 $4.50 Jeff Francis 1.429 $1.50 Carlos Zambrano 1.462 FA

These were the only pitchers in the past three years to meet those criteria. As you see Joe Saunders falls to the bottom of the list and in-between the $6 to $1.5 Million contracts.Shields in 2014 has an option of $12 MillionPeavy is extended to $14.5, $15 In 2014 and 2015Haran may be a FA in 2014Sabathia is extended to 2016 and owed $23, $23, $25 MillionWilson is extended to 2016 with $16,$18,$20 million owedBlanton is signed for 2014 and 2015 at $7.5 and $8.0 MillionHernandez will become a FACorreia is signed for 2014 at $5.5Francis will become a FAZambrano should be out of baseball, what a head case.IMOSaunders could be given a front loaded contract that would be a trad-able commodity when Bundy and Gausman are ready.2013 = $6.0 Million Base, $.5 Cy Young, $.250 MVP of Playoffs and/or World Series,2014 = $3.5 Million Base + above incentives2015 = $1.5 Million Base + above incentives

thezeroes wrote:Saunders could be given a front loaded contract that would be a trad-able commodity when Bundy and Gausman are ready.2013 = $6.0 Million Base, $.5 Cy Young, $.250 MVP of Playoffs and/or World Series,2014 = $3.5 Million Base + above incentives2015 = $1.5 Million Base + above incentives

First, this effing GREAT research and deserves POINTS! I wish I could give you more than one.

Second, I would sign him to that contract in a heartbeat, but I wonder if HE would accept it. It's really thinking outside the box and is IMO an excellent solution.

thezeroes wrote:Trying to compare Joe Saunders at his age, the last three years and the contracts that were given to what would be considered his contemporaries I got the following by using the mentioned filter at BRSpanning two years of baseball seasons 2010 through 2012Being of the age of 29 to 31Having started at least 60% of the games they were in and had at least 60 games played.Sorted by lowest Whip to the highest followed by their 2013 contracts.James Shields 1.103 $9 Jake Peavy 1.172 $14.50 Dan Haren 1.186 $13.00 CC Sabathia 1.188 $23.00 Colby Lewis 1.201 $2.00 C J Wilson 1.256 $11.00 Joe Blanton 1.350 $6.00 Roberto Hernandez 1.355 $3.25 Joe Saunders 1.368 FA Kevin Correia 1.387 $4.50 Jeff Francis 1.429 $1.50 Carlos Zambrano 1.462 FA

These were the only pitchers in the past three years to meet those criteria. As you see Joe Saunders falls to the bottom of the list and in-between the $6 to $1.5 Million contracts.Shields in 2014 has an option of $12 MillionPeavy is extended to $14.5, $15 In 2014 and 2015Haran may be a FA in 2014Sabathia is extended to 2016 and owed $23, $23, $25 MillionWilson is extended to 2016 with $16,$18,$20 million owedBlanton is signed for 2014 and 2015 at $7.5 and $8.0 MillionHernandez will become a FACorreia is signed for 2014 at $5.5Francis will become a FAZambrano should be out of baseball, what a head case.IMOSaunders could be given a front loaded contract that would be a trad-able commodity when Bundy and Gausman are ready.2013 = $6.0 Million Base, $.5 Cy Young, $.250 MVP of Playoffs and/or World Series,2014 = $3.5 Million Base + above incentives2015 = $1.5 Million Base + above incentives

I definitely would not pay Saunders $8 mil per. I would rather hand the ball to Britton or Johnson and spend my bucks elsewhere

birdwatcher55 wrote:I definitely would not pay Saunders $8 mil per. I would rather hand the ball to Britton or Johnson and spend my bucks elsewhere

I re-read what I wrote and can NOT find within the confines of the written text any statement saying $8 Million Per Year. I would have to think you are responding to someone else or did not bother reading the entire text. The following was my proposal.

Saunders could be given a front loaded contract that would be a trad-able commodity when Bundy and Gausman are ready.2013 = $6.0 Million Base, $.5 Cy Young, $.250 MVP of Playoffs and/or World Series,2014 = $3.5 Million Base + above incentives2015 = $1.5 Million Base + above incentives

IF he wins the Cy Young the added $500,000 would be peanuts in comparison to the base and compared to CC Sabathias contract.I could see ann added bonus to the 2014 contract of $1Million if he meets any of the incentives. Think of it $4.5 Million for the previous years Cy Young Winner. Talk about the most bang for the buck.