Tamim's SR was 140+ and riyad's one were 109 at the start of 17th over..whom should i blame more?..enlighten me

I gotta agree with Nekre here.

Ahnaf ,probably u have missed something.
Atahar said it clearly that "Ryad needs to do something different"
Ryad was just standing his ground,but before that last over when the game was already lost he picked up boundaries,which is why his SR is now 133.
He knew we had Zia ,Mushy,Nasir or even Shohag, if he thought for the team he shouldn't be hesitant losing his wicket & let others have a go.

I have been defending Ryad a lot, but this time it's clear what he did, but still I like Ryad and appreciate his contribution throughout the series, one T20 won't take all that away.

Ahnaf ,probably u have missed something.
Atahar said it clearly that "Ryad needs to do something different"
Ryad was just standing his ground,but before that last over when the game was already lost he picked up boundaries,which is why his SR is now 133.
He knew we had Zia ,Mushy,Nasir or even Shohag, if he thought for the team he shouldn't be hesitant losing his wicket & let others have a go.

I have been defending Ryad a lot, but this time it's clear what he did, but still I like Ryad and appreciate his contribution throughout the series, one T20 won't take all that away.

Good observation.

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Ahnaf ,probably u have missed something.
Atahar said it clearly that "Ryad needs to do something different"
Ryad was just standing his ground,but before that last over when the game was already lost he picked up boundaries,which is why his SR is now 133.
He knew we had Zia ,Mushy,Nasir or even Shohag, if he thought for the team he shouldn't be hesitant losing his wicket & let others have a go.

I have been defending Ryad a lot, but this time it's clear what he did, but still I like Ryad and appreciate his contribution throughout the series, one T20 won't take all that away.

Well..tamim SR wasnot also good until Narine's 3rd over and Samuels 19th over(when the match was lost as 48 was needed from last 2).. But again in terms of hitting ability none from our team can match tamim except shakib.. Riyad tried as much as Tamim tried.. They both did the same mistakes.. So why pointing out only riyad?
Yeah.. You do appreciate.. But for some of our member only this t20 was good enough to label him as a sissy player and many more..
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Those who are on tamim and Mullah's case please take this to your consideration that in that pitch one had to be set to make shots. look at WI innings none but SAm made all those big hits. Yes there could be a 40% chance that a new batsmen could come in and hit 6 after 6 but most likely not. They were set and they had the best chance. we gave away too many runs so this was best possible lost for us... if we had a chance to win that had to come from these two set batsmen others didn't had a chance.

I won't blame Riyad (not anymore than Tamim anyhow) - that's how he plays. It's like sending Clarke in T20s and calling him 'selfish'. He shouldn't play T20s - he should concentrate in ODIs & tests. IMO.

A lot of people are blaming Riyad for his failure yesterday. As his harshest critic even I find that harsh. Agreed that he could not accelerate when needed in the middle overs but we lost not because of him but
- 2 Catches missed, 1 stumping missed. We essentially told Marlon Samuels, beta ajke tor din.. there can be nothing stopping you. So just go for it. And those misses unfortunately cost us a lot. That was the turning point.
- Rubel or Shafiul were not used when the condition was rife and the pacers were bowling well. The condition was so good for pace bowling I seriously do not understand why and how Mushy took away the pacers and brought the spinners.
- The mammoth total's pressure. Don't forget cricket is half psychological.
- The West Indies played like a champ and did not give up till the end. They bowled to a perfect line. They bowled yorkers, Gayle bowled low fulltosses but they were not slow fulltosses he actually used a lot of force to deliver that ball. If there were speedometers you could see the difference in the speed. The ball was not only slipping from the hands but I am sure the dense fog and the low visibility and the slippery ball meant that timing the ball over the fence was a mountainous task at the time.

For Riyad I will only say that, he could have used his feet to the spinners. He and Tamim should have talked and formulated a plan to go about the chasing. Unfortunately there was no plan except hit everything. There was no timing or innovation when needed. I will say this now, Mahmudullah has learnt from his past mistakes and he needs to continue understanding that he needs to play for the team. He needs to play to the situation and not worry about getting out. No doubt he has improved a lot from his previous mindset which was down right selfish but he needs to get somewhere Shakib or Tamim is. He basically needs to tell himself that it's either the team or nothing.

Same old story of Mullah.... Stat wise well played, but isn't so useful for the team. He needs to play at the top, whatever team he plays for in ODIs and T20s. He can't finish a match...

Whether he likes it or not is immaterial, but he can't play in a key position which needs finishing a game. He can't bat in a place just because he likes to, he needs to have the ability to do the job as well.

Should be dropped from our T20 side to give others some international experience. Last chance saloon for him tomorrow against Sylhet. Disappointed he didn't mention Taskin in his post match interview and didn't let him finish his quota.

riyad is always going to be a tough selection, by that i mean his inclusion or exclusion isn't always clear cut. for the shorter formats his batting doesn't suit but he can be useful if the time is right, he's also a very handy shorter format bowler. in the longer form his bowling is less useful but his batting is very handy down the order.

at times he's played some very useful innings and bowled some useful overs but is he a long term solution? i'd have to say no. in tests he's pretty much a specialist #7/#8 batsman, his bowling hasn't come on enough for him to be consistently used for long periods as a bowler (he's really only worth using to rest the bowlers or to change it up if nothing is working). once the top order and middle order is sorted there will be no use for riyad in tests in his current role, so basically he's either going to have to give it a go higher up and succeed or he'll be out. as far as the shorter formats go, once we find a consistent more aggressive/attacking lower order bat who is handy with the ball riyad won't be needed in the shorter formats, i don't think he warrants selection for t20s as a pure batsman (and his bowling isn't quite reliable enough to be a pure bowler) and in ODIs there is a strong group of middle order batsmen pushing for selection so it's going to be bat higher up or go home.

one thing he has over the youngsters atm is his experience, he's been a solid player in ODIs and tests and his experience is useful, but once those youngsters like anamul and mominul, shabbir etc start to become consistent, then riyad's spot in the team is going to be under a lot more pressure.

For me Riyad in T20s is a definite no no. Selectors should look to making seperate teams for each format. Even Clarke doesn't play T20s for Australia so its not a problem if Riyad doesn't as well. RIyad should almost be automatic choice in tests and ODIs.

Originally Posted by Gowza
once the top order and middle order is sorted there will be no use for riyad in tests in his current role, so basically he's either going to have to give it a go higher up and succeed or he'll be out.

That's a catch twenty two, isn't it? It's been 13 years and we could not figure out our top order. Tamim does not even have a set opening partner, there's no set one down batter either. So Riyad's position is pretty set.

Now the question is should he be batting up the order? I don't believe so. He's been doing very well along with Nasir in the late order. What we need to do is groom Anamul, Mominul and possibly Marshall Aiyub and pick the better 2 for the to order solution and hope for the best.

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Originally Posted by betaar
That's a catch twenty two, isn't it? It's been 13 years and we could not figure out our top order. Tamim does not even have a set opening partner, there's no set one down batter either. So Riyad's position is pretty set.

Now the question is should he be batting up the order? I don't believe so. He's been doing very well along with Nasir in the late order. What we need to do is groom Anamul, Mominul and possibly Marshall Aiyub and pick the better 2 for the to order solution and hope for the best.

in one way his position is set in another it isn't, just my opinion. we can't possibly see batting down to #8 with batsmen in tests is a long term team dynamic, batting to #7 is possible, batting to #8, no way. in the shorter formats he shouldn't be batting at #7 or #8, he really should be batting top 5, lowest #6 and that comes down to his style of batting.