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Commentaire de 10676

This appears to be the "universal" leather Dungeon 3 set. Every type of armor has a "universal" set designed to be at least somewhat useful for all classes that can wear that type of armor; alas, this set doesn't appear to have much of a bonus for Balance or Resto druids, so only Feral druids and Rogues will be fighting over these pieces. Fortunately, the abundance of sockets will allow you to fill out your personal requirements nicely...

Commentaire de 10128

Rogues really do get 2 sets instead of one. This is clearly better for a Rogue than a Feral Druid, the stats speak for themselves.

Rogues get a lot less attack power from Strengh as we Druids do, meaning raw AP is a lot more important for them. A well-equipped 70 feral druid will roughly have 2500ap, whereas a rogue will have a hard time hitting 2000ap.

The usual attractive stats for a Feral are high strenght, high armor or high stamina. This set has none, and only carries high Agility and AP.

Of course a Feral druid would benefit from this set greatly, but leave it to the Rogue if he wants it.

Commentaire de Vaxxus

Commentaire de 19203

Personally, I think that the set as a whole is not something that I'd use for tanking. The helm and the gloves would be a good selection, mixed in with any number of other pieces with much more armor, etc. It's simply a matter of a lack of defense and armor. Defense might be addressed by the sockets, but the armor, even with +armor enchants, won't cut it. If anything, though, get the 2-set bonus.

Commentaire de 15985

Honestly, it's just a dps set designed to work for both rogues and druids. Since rogues dps just about 100% of the time, the general consensus is that it should go to rogues first. However, if a druid wants it, there's nothing stopping them from taking it. The rogue might whine and cry but it's just loot. It's not that big of a deal imo, it will drop again.

As was pointed out earlier, there are better alternatives for tanking and the excessive amount of +hit rating. (69) and attack power make it seem to be more oriented toward rogue dps, but that comes out as 4.37 hit. Which is still reasonable for a feral druid (without any other hit gear) because of the default 5% miss rate. (I'd assume feral druids would like strength better than raw AP because of Heart of the Wild)

The set is slightly more rogue dps oriented but I wouldn't complain and whine if it went into the hands of a feral druid.

Commentaire de 6780

Feral druids will benefit from this. Don't knock agility. The dodge and crit bonus is nice for bear form. The red sockets would mostly benefit from +STR gems. Yellow would benefit more from +crit unless you are woefully behind on +hit. Blue sockets I would recommend stamina

Commentaire de jbob

+156 is not hard to get, for example:CraftableHeavy Clefthoof Set = 86Cloak of Eternity = 23 Necklace of the Diamond Tower = 17 'Easy' Drops: 2 x Iron Band of the Unbreakable (from Old Hillsbrad - not unique) = 34

Gets you 160 +Def Rating.

There is better tank gear with +def than what I listed, but these are relatively easy to come by.

Commentaire de 22941

rogues.... assasination set ===that=way===>

aint to shabby for a drood tankin or full feral fighters, unless u rogue want droods to start taking assasination from ya....

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Commentaire de 20753

Does anyone know the proc rate on that 4 piece bonus? :)

That may be the breaker for taking this over Assassination for roguish little me. ;)

Commentaire de 19321

i started collecting my assassination set and while the bonuses are nice stat wise for a mutilate rogue this crushes the assassination set anyone who think that this is a druid only piece has never played a mutilate rogue right or at all. As for the comment of rogues whining then druids should start taking the assassination pieces well they already do. And if your in a guild that will take a kitty druid as melee dps over a rogue and give them the same priority on dps gear good game cuz either you have some shitty rogues or your not looking to progress. Put this on me a mutilate rogue and on a kitty druid and i'll show you how they cant even break within 10% of my dmg

Commentaire de 27661

What I am still having a hard time figuring out is why these pieces are in the heroic places mainly when the gear you need to complete those intstances has to be better than what you're going after. Its not fair that every other set piece of other sets drops in normal instances and the general pieces for this gear set and the spell dmg general one are in the heroics only. Id like to be using this for my DPS set as a feral druid and this makes it impossible and frustrating. As to the who rogue and feral druid fight; Im DPSing with the best rogues and i tank with the best tanks. I dont pretend that i can out DPS you but a lot of the time I do. If you have a problem with that I dont have any sympathy for your crying. I play to have fun and get better to do more. Thats it. This gear is unattainable for me with be having some of the best lvl 70 gear out side of getting the tier 4 from Karazhan. If anyones got tips on how to do the heroic intances let me know, cause i want this gear and im pissed cause its not fair.

Commentaire de 29778

bl00mie, personally I do not think you ever played a druid. That was sure a big mistake; saying someone "nub" while knowing nothing about what you talk.

For a bear these are what matters from most important to less important:

Armor&sta - same importance. Armor damage mitigation caps at %75. If I am not mistaken, you need 35k armor to reach this cap. About 21k HP is needed for 25-men bosses, of course the more the better.

Dodge/agi - When you have enough armor and good enough stamina, you will want as much dodge/agi as you can get

Resilience - Considering mobs have a crit chance of %5 and that druids can get rid of %3 crit with 3/3 Survival of the fittest talent, %2 more resilience (79 resilience rating at lvl70) from gear is needed to be crit immune.

Defense - Defense is good to have but druids do not get the parry&block bonuses from defense so this should not be a focus for a bear tank.

Please note that the bear tanking will be nerfed drastically with the next patch; so the above values will likely be unattainable from then on.

Commentaire de 30385

this set is excellent for a combat rogue, tho seams like most (rogues) would focus on helm and chest for the hit bonus, while getting assassination gloves, shoulder and leggings.

Commentaire de Nurrek

Having read the first 12 or so posts, it strikes me as interesting that people are calculating the following (which is correct without talents I should say):

BearStr 1 pt = 2 APAgi does not give AP

CatStr 1 pt = 2 APAgi 1 pt = 1 AP

*However*, if you have the normal talent build, Str gives 2.4 AP per point, not 2. Very, very few bears or cats are not going to take that talent.

Commentaire de 21328

I've seen through most lvl 70 sets, and as far as I can remember, all of them have 1 meta sockets and 6 other random sockets. This has 1 meta and 11(!!!) sockets, only in 5 pieces! If you are a feral druid and see a lacking of other stats like strength and intellect, this feature may be useful to personalize your druid, adding whichever stat you find more useful. This should be implemented on epic sets too, imo.

Commentaire de 35309

There's no real reason for a rogue to acquire more than the shoulders and chest for the 2pc set bonus of 35 hit rating (absolutely godly). There are much better items that are easier to obtain for a rogue's other item slots.

Commentaire de 41652

- Talents- HOTW and SOTF both improve Str, but not AP (except as granted by stats)- Nurturing Instinct works on Str, not AP

- Buffs- BoK improves all stats, but not AP (except as granted by stats)

Bears w/ full SOTF get 2.03 AP per Str.Cats w/ full HOTW and SOTF get 2.43 AP per Str.

That's not to say this stuff wouldn't be /great/ to DPS in or to tank in (mmm, agi and stam), but consider your gear choices carefully before you go play your druid... If you play a cat that never shapeshifts in combat, you may need to go roll a rogue. If you play a bear that never shapeshifts in combat, you may need to go roll a warrior.

Hope this helps!

Commentaire de SaxxonPike

I'd rather have the Assassination set. That set is more geared towards rogues. This set does not have rogue-specific bonuses. Also, feral druids need some lovin'. So I'd give them this.

Commentaire de 23771

Actually, you're wrong, Mordox. Blizz isn't going to create a pure feral set that drops anywhere -- there simply isn't enough of us to make that worthwhile. Remember the public outcry among raids about all the "feral" pieces in TAQ? Blizz listened. They add high str DPS leather occasionally, still, but for the most part, the gear acquired via drops are designed to meet the needs of both rogues and ferals as much as possible. That means lots of AP and agi, since those stats benefit both classes well. True a druid would be better off with strength, but only at the expense of rogues, who derive comparatively little from it.

If Blizzard were to design a set that would work well for both rogues and feral druids, they'd offer a set with AP, agi, stam, and hit, with generic melee set bonuses, and then put a large number of sockets in to allow the wearer to further tailor the set to their needs (be it str, agi, def, stam, crit, or whatever else you feel you need).

Oi, that sounds kind of like Wastewalker!

Commentaire de Gymnos

I wrote down two ideal comparisons of the Wastewalker and Assassination sets for myself, and decided to share it. Keep in mind; this is Rogue-based.

It depends what you want, I suppose. I'm going to go for this set over the Assassination set due to the extra ~3% critical, 230 extra health, and ~3% extra hit chance. A loss of 30 attack power doesn't out weight the other things for me.

Commentaire de 55924

Also dont over look that you only need 4 pieces to get the pretty handy set bonuses.

therefore you can swap one piece for another, which may be useful depending on your spec.

On my SS combat rogue, i will probarbly be taking this set without the helmet and replacing it for something better foratk power and agility, as long as it has a meta slot ofc,that is if there is such an item :D

Commentaire de amaterasu

why would someone want to compare one set with another in its entirety. the point of a set composing of 5 pieces is that you can choose between different sets and optimize the overall effect, instead of simple-mindedly choosing one set and ignoring another.

sigh...

Commentaire de Gymnos

I assume it would be from the gems. I was only counting socket bonuses and not stacking gems. That'd change quite a bit...

Commentaire de Royi

one thing i dislike, I think this is by far the hardest set to get, Rogues at least can get Ass Armor, but for feral druids, you might as well get into a kara guild and get loot from there. It will save you ALOT of time and hardship, reasons why this set sucks (in getting it, at least on my server):

4/5 pieces are from heroic dungeonsMana Tombs is insanely hard on heroic.No one ever wants to run Escape from Durnholde on heroic, and from what i've heard, its also insanely hard.

I know i'm a noob in many aspects, but after wasting 2 months attempting to get full Shadowcraft on my rogue a year or so back, I know the needing feeling people get. It takes over your soul and you become a warcraft drone. If you run a heroic and it drops, great! grats! But the game is meant to be fun, I never have fun running an instance 15 times in hopes that 1 item will drop :( In the BC there are many things from Rep rewards and newly crafted items that are on par with a lot of new gear.

Otherwise,

Oh, Heavy Clefthoof for Druid tanks imo. Armor, Def, + Stam are the most important things for a druid tank. (one could argue agil/dodge as well)

Commentaire de Royi

lol i just realized i said Ass Armor, haha i meant Assassination Armor :-P

my bad if I offended anyone, I also did not mean to call the Rouge Dungeon set 3 "Ass", simple typo :)

Commentaire de 57456

Commentaire de 128501

With patch 2.3, cat form now gets +10% AP with HOTW instead of +20% strength. That makes this set even more useful for feral druids.

Commentaire de 6736

As a rogue, you really are best off getting mostly Wastewalker for raiding stats.

Wastewalker Shoulderpadshttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=27797This item has hit on the shoulders while Assassination does not. Socket with hit and you have a very impressive 32 hit rating.

Wastewalker Tunichttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=28264Three yellow socket for hit rating and socket bonus. Otherwise the agility and ap on both chests is virtually identical but Wastewalker has more stamina.

Handgrips of Assassinationhttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=27509More hit then available through sockets on Wastewalker and significantly more AP then ungemmed Wastewalker. Even AP gemmed Wastewalker would only have 5 more ap and no hit compared to assassiantion.

Wastewalker Leggingshttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=27837While the Leggings of Assassination slightly more raw stats then Wastewalker Leggings, Wastewalker has 3 gem slots. Breaking the socket bonus with 3 hit gems would net you a very impressive amount of hit. Extremely impressive leggings.

Wastewalker Helmhttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=28224It has hit and the Helm of Assassination does not. Dump a hit gem in there and you have an impressive 26 hit rating for a mere 10ap difference between the two.

Wearing 4pc Wastewalker will also net you an amazing 35 hit rating and the occasional extra AP when simply attacking. It is true that Assassination does have Rogue specific bonuses, Wastewalker bonuses are simply better geared for a raiding rogue. Once mobs become immune to stuns the 2pc Assassination bonus is worthless and raiding rogues simply do not use eviscerate and envenom enough to justify wearing it over Wastewalker's attack power bonus.

Gemming entirely for hit rating and using the 22ap/speed increase meta you'll gain an extremely impressive 125 hit rating. Furthermore, since combat spec rogues need 363 hit rating, you're virtually halfway to your hit goal with only 5 pieces used. You also have 12 free slots to use and you'd need about 20 hit rating per slot to reach the hit cap. But, since all of the Wastewalker listed above drops in heroics, you'll be gaining badges to help get to that hit rating. Good luck rogues!

Commentaire de 155265

For those looking for the missing pieces that match this set, just for looks, here they are, as far as I can discern. No set bonus.

Commentaire de Utdrag

It's not worth going to five diffrent heroics over and over for a blue set. Instead you should go for the PvP set and add sockets for tanking/dps wichever you like. It may not be the same but you don't wan't to waste time in heroics for this.