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Forgot to add this bit: Just prior or just after taking Meek's Cutoff, my ggg grandmother Julia Ann Cox (m. to Anderson Cox) gave birth to Matilda Cox on the 19th of August, 1845 at a place called Kelly Hot Springs, ID. Our family history records this child as being "the first white child born in Idaho." 2015-12-29 22:26:45ZMatthewMiller78http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.9/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.8/mb.ashx
I am a descendent of the 1845 Wagon Train who took Meek's Cutoff. My gggg grandparents were Samuel Centers and Elizabeth Evans (Dillon) Centers. Elizabeth's first husband drowned early in the journey. She married Samuel Centers near the Platte River. Unfortunately the three generations of mothers and daughters before me did not enjoy a good relationship, so the family stories were lost. I was told as a young child that our family came on the Oregon trail, but it was not until the last five years that I have gathered the details of the journey on my own. <br>2015-12-27 04:19:21Ztinabranan1http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.8/mb.ashxRe: 1847 Kimsey-Smith Mo-&gt;OT on Barlow Trail: Jesse Townsend?http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/227.3/mb.ashx
Hello: I made an error that needs to be corrected. <br><br>Hanna Smith sister of Absolom Smith. Married to James Jesse Townsend, who died on the Oregon trail (Death 1836 near Green River, Sweetwater, Wy). Many of that family settled in or around Dallas, Polk Co. Oregon. For more information on that line go on line to the William C. Brown Cemetery in Polk County, Oregon. You can also get some information by going to the "Kromer Family Tree." Sorry about the error. I just discovered it. My wife's family (Kromer, Hildebrand, Butler, Brown, Brown, Townsend). <br><br>David Kromer<br><br>2015-12-19 07:25:06Zdvidakromer39http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/227.3/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.2.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx
A quick look at "Terrible Trail" by Kieth Clark and Lowell Tiller does not show Mr. Putnam in the roster of names. This is one of the definitive books on the Meek Cutoff but there may well have been some people on the trail that these men never turned up. 2015-11-30 03:54:06Ztfoss199http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.2.2.1.2.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.2.2.1.2/mb.ashx
I am a descendant of Daniel Bennett Putman. I believe he was on the 1845 train that took the Meeks Cutoff. Do you have any information on the Putmans?<br>Thank you<br>2015-11-19 21:17:06Zfinnhills50http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.2.2.1.2/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.12.1/mb.ashx
Hi Victoria,<br>Could you please contact me by e-mail.. <a href="mailto://jaymccarley1@live.com">jaymccarley1@live.com</a>.<br>I would like more information to add to the Roster, your name/address/e-mail to contact for the next Reunion and would also like a bio about your ancestor/family to add to the next edition of the Kennedy Company Wagon Train Book.<br>Thanks so much,<br>Jayne2015-11-11 20:44:53Zjayne_mccarleyhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.12.1/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.12/mb.ashx
Dear Jayne,<br>My great grandfather, Oscar Purl Bowman, was only a couple of months old when his parents, John W. Bowman and Lydia M. Brelsford Bowman, joined the Kennedy wagon train in Osceola, Iowa. They settled in Pendleton, OR. I believe OP was their first child; others were born in Oregon.<br>Thank you for all the information you've collected on the wagon train.<br>Victoria Enders2015-11-11 18:04:47ZVenders3501http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.12/mb.ashxVanBuskirks - Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/240/mb.ashx
I might of found some VanBuskirks that immigrated West on the Oregon Trail to Washington State got to find more research information. Anyone else find any information?2015-03-17 21:38:45ZJustinGarlandThomashttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/240/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.11/mb.ashx
Not sure about this, but there is a chance my gg grandfather, John G Miller and his wife and 7 children were part of the Walker company that happened upon the Kennedy Company and helped out August 11th. John Miller was wounded.<br><br>Then, I understand, the Walker Company turned south and past Salt Lake, near Deep Creek, UT, John passed away.<br><br>Looking for sources (roster) of the Walker Company wagon train. mm2014-10-16 22:51:39ZMatthewMiller78http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.11/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.7/mb.ashx
HI there,<br><br>My family crossed the OR trail in 1845 and took the Meeks cutoff. I have some written/oral history that has been handed down about their ordeal.<br><br>My ggg grandfather was Anderson Cox, and I believe his wife gave birth just prior to taking the cutoff in S. Idaho. <br><br>mm2014-10-16 22:48:45ZMatthewMiller78http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.7/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.6/mb.ashx
Jonathan Liggett and his wife Elizabeth Fanning had three generations of their family and in-laws accompanying them. I am descended from his grandson John Wesley Liggett. My grandmother Elsie Liggett was his granddaughter. Most of what I know has been through studying and printed sources, as John died young, and his widow lost everything (ranch/farm) but a wagon, two horses, household goods and their two children, which she drove to Camas Valley.<br><br>It is amazing. <br><br>Gale2014-08-30 05:59:19ZGale_Ronninghttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.6/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2/mb.ashx
I also have Robert Cummins in my tree, but an older man then you list. Likely his father or other relative. The Robert Cummins I show was born 21 April 1830 in Monroe Co., WV. His migrations took him through Henry Co., Indiana. He died 9 May 1915 at Touchet, WA. He was the son of Woodson Cummins and Nancy Elllison. Woodson was the son of Robert Cummins and Delpha Ballard. Hugh Cummins (father of Robert) was born in Bucks Co., PA. 2014-06-16 14:10:33ZDiggingformyrootshttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx
I don't think I have your most recent email. If you have my email, please feel welcome to write anytime. 2014-06-16 03:37:20ZDiggingformyrootshttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2.2.1.1.1/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2.2.1/mb.ashx
My ancestor is Gabriel Paul. He was born in some proximity to the Paul's of Henry Co., Indiana... maybe less then 20 miles. Many years and miles later, he married Harriet Ellis in 1861. <br><br>His family lived in the area of the Joseph Paul family, but on the Decatur and Bartholomew side. All these people eventually moved on and were in Iowa by 1850's. <br><br>In the next years Gabe's family appear on census records door to door to members of Joseph Paul's family once again. By 1860, they live next door to Joseph's daughter, Mercy and her husband, Alvin Zaring. In 1862 they all traveled to Walla Walla Co., WA. territory and took up homesteads. They now lived perhaps 12 miles from each other. <br><br>As far as I know they do not claim each other and was a common theme among those who went through the Civil War and had to declare loyalty to one side or another. <br><br>Gabe's wife, Harriet Ellis, died in Walla Walla Co. in 1863. Her baby went to live with the Ellis family. He was later reunited with his father for a few years. His father remarried 1872 and by 1877, the boy was then a teenager and decided to light out on his own. He became an Indian scout and range rider. He was friends of the Nez Perce and refused to fight against them. Nor would he side with them entirely.<br><br>Gabe Paul's mother was a niece of Mary Ellison, wife of the Baptist minister, James Ellison. He was the son of James Ellison and Nancy Farley. And the spider web gets more and more tangled as you go. Look up Coal Marsh Baptist church. Lots and lots of ways all those people tied together<br><br>Gabe's family always stated they were part of the Kennedy train or "long train." There was a claim that the Kennedy's were cousins to them. It would have to have been back in TN. I think.2014-06-15 15:56:44ZDiggingformyrootshttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2.2.1/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx
LOL it has been so long since we "chatted" that I didnt' recognize the "handle". As soon as I read Gabe Paul, I knew it was you. Hope things are going well with you. Yes, the web of people in the train gets more tangled as we uncover more things. We go back to Old Frederick Co., VA, Let me know what new goodies you have uncovered about Gabe? Many families "raised" a daughter who had died, child. Sam and Frankey Kennedy raised their daughter Nancys son Sam'l. She had married Robert Eakin and died at childbirth. Robert kept in close touch, moving west with the Kennedys to IN &amp; IL. Samuel Eakin died young and is buried next to the grandmother who raised him. Do you have my e-mail address? Keep in touch.<br><br> 2014-06-15 14:16:54Zjayne_mccarleyhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2.2.1.1/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2.2/mb.ashx
Diggingformyroots:<br>May I inquire as to what branch of the Ellis family you are connected? You said that your Files were by marriage? My Kennedy connects to Ellis by marriage, that of Rhoda Ann Kennedy to Samuel Ellis, the son of David Ellis &amp; Sarah Jane Farmer Ellis.<br>Thanks,<br>Jayne2014-06-14 20:03:49Zjayne_mccarleyhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2.2/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2.1/mb.ashx
Robert Cummins b. 21 April 1830 Monroe Co. WVA<br>son of Woodson and Nancy Ellison Cummins <br>m. 20 April 1851 Mary Lucretia Myers b. 4 Dec. 1825 In Indiana <br>moved to Mahaska Co., Iowa in the before their first child Jesse was b. b. 17 Jan 1853<br>Children:<br>Jesse b. 17 Jan 1853<br>Woodson b. 6 Jul 1855<br>William Henderson b. 27 Feb. 1857<br>James Madison b. 6 Jan 1859 <br>Nancy b. 21 Oct. 1861<br>all made the trip west with the Kennedy Comp. Wagon Train.<br>2 children, Robert and Mary born after the trip. <br>He married 2nd Harriet Fletcher Files, widow of Robert Files who had also made the trip. <br>2014-06-14 19:59:40Zjayne_mccarleyhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.2.1/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.1.1/mb.ashx
Thank you, Jayne for your prompt reply. I do plan to upload a Fletcher/Files family tree on Ancestry soon, hoping to get more correct data out there. My data, along with yours, adds an extra dimension on the inter-relatedness of the members of the Kennedy Train. My ancestor, Harriet Fletcher Files, may have been raised by her Aunt Sarah, since Harriet's mother, Alice Farmer Fletcher, died when Harriet was only three. That is pure conjecture, but reasonable to assume. Her Ellis cousins may have been more like sisters and brothers. Patsy2014-06-13 14:24:00ZFskeels60http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.1.1/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.1/mb.ashx
Patsy,<br>Thank you for the update. I have downloaded the info. but would like to discuss this further with you and so am contacting you by through facebook messsaging and giving you my e-mail address. I am sorry that her info. was not correct but many people submit what they think is correct. LOL Sam Ellis is married to Rhoda Kennedy, dau. of John K., so your addition intertwines another group as family by marriage. <br>Jayne2014-06-13 13:44:23Zjayne_mccarleyhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10.1/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10/mb.ashx
Jayne, I have sent this message by e-mail also in hopes that some incorrect data about my ancestor Harriet Files can be corrected. The information about her birth in Mahaska County, IA, was based on earlier, incomplete research by someone else, and my more recent, intensive research has indicated that she was related to other members of the train and came out from Virginia with them to Oskaloosa, Iowa, in Mahaska County, where they stayed for a time to gather their resources before moving out with the Kennady Train. Harriet's mother was Alice A. Farmer, who married Jonathan Fletcher, and then she died when Harriet was only three in Hampshire County, VA. Harriet's mother's sister was Sarah Jane Farmer, who married David Ellis, who died in Mahaska County, IA in 1852 before the Kennady train was organized, leaving Sarah Jane a widow with several children. So the Sarah Jane Ellis on the train is Harriet's aunt. The Ellis children listed on the train are Harriet's first cousins on her mother's side. Harriet's data: Harriet Ann Fletcher, b. 2 Jan 1831, Hampshire Co., VA, m. 16 Apr 1855 in Allegany Co., MD, to Robert Files, (born 12 May 1834 in VA, died 1873 Walla Walla , buried Touchet Cemetery, Touchet, WA). Harriet 2nd married Robert Cummins 27 Apr 1876, Walla Walla, WA. Harriet died 23 Dec 1893 in Walla Walla, WA or Milton, OR. She is believed to be buried in the old cemetery in Milton-Freewater, Oregon. I have sources and pages of notes on this data, but can't include it all here. Is there some way to correct the birth data of Harriet in the published info on the Kennady Wagon Train Roster? Thanks, Patsy Skeels, 3rd gr-granddaughter of Harriet Fletcher Files.2014-06-12 20:40:09ZPatsySkeelshttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.10/mb.ashxRe: Thomas Hunt &amp; Catherine Cox : 1847 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/229.3/mb.ashx
Hi Nicole- I am a descendant of the Hunt family from County Kilkenny. Our Hunts originated in Muckalee and Kilmacow, both very small villages outside of Kilkenny City. Our great-grandfather, James, was born in 1833 in Muckalee and his father's name was Thomas but we haven't been able to find out any more about his birth as the parish register was destroyed in a flood. However, it is possible that your Thomas may be our James's brother. James went into the British Army for twenty years and was posted to Crimea and India. <br>Hope this helps.<br>Rachael Mellen2014-03-10 14:23:39Zbromsgroveroverhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/229.3/mb.ashxRe: looking for parents/siblings of William A Taylor 1825-1901 d. Bandon, Oregon http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/233.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx
hey susan<br><br> disreguard that. i found a copy of that research<br><br><a href="http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&amp;db=debs_history&amp;id=I10786" target="_blank">http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&amp;d...</a><br><br>also Garret county is said right but spelled wrong, Garrard county kentucky<br> <br><br><br>2014-02-24 22:56:18ZCase_Brianhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/233.2.1.1.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for parents/siblings of William A Taylor 1825-1901 d. Bandon, Oregon http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/233.2.1.1/mb.ashx
hey susan.<br>no she did not. you wouldnt happen to be near salem would you?<br><br><a href="http://www.oregon.gov/osl/GRES/docs/FamilyNameFiles.pdf" target="_blank">www.oregon.gov/osl/GRES/docs/FamilyNameFiles.pdf</a>‎<br><br>brian<br>rush at winkey dot org2014-02-24 20:54:22ZCase_Brianhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/233.2.1.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for parents/siblings of William A Taylor 1825-1901 d. Bandon, Oregon http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/233.2.1/mb.ashx
Thank you for the reply. My grandfather is James Harvey Taylor, son of James Edward, son of<br>William.<br>Does your grandmother mention the sisters name? <br><br>Susan2014-02-24 09:00:05Zsusanlion53http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/233.2.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for parents/siblings of William A Taylor 1825-1901 d. Bandon, Oregon http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/233.2/mb.ashx
i have a doc here in my grandmothers writing that has a note about him only having one sister<br><br>Jesse C would have been my grandmothers father<br><br>it is a geneology worksheet but dont go back any further than william<br><br><br>brian<br>rush at winkey dot org2014-02-24 07:34:08ZCase_Brianhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/233.2/mb.ashxRe: Thomas Hunt &amp; Catherine Cox : 1847 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/229.2/mb.ashx
Go to <a href="http://www.oregonpioneers.com/1847.htm" target="_blank">http://www.oregonpioneers.com/1847.htm</a> Scroll down to find Thomas Hunt, m arried to Catherine Cox in 1851. Unfortunately no more info given. He and Catherine are on <a href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&amp;GSln=Hunt&amp;GSiman=1&amp;GScid=39371&amp;GRid=6253148&amp" target="_blank">http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&amp;GSln=Hu...</a>;. Note there is also a younger Thomas Hunt there--born a few months before Catherine died. He isn't easy to trace--if you have a subscription to Ancestry.com he is listed in the card catalog under "Genealogical information in Oregon donation land claim"s book. I found him but didn't have time to follow through and locate his claim. Maybe someone else can do it. He died in Gervais, Oregon and buried in a Catholic cemetery so his claim is probably there or nearby He was born 1823 died 1890 2014-01-09 07:22:09ZLindaWiley60http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/229.2/mb.ashxRe: Thomas Hunt &amp; Catherine Cox : 1847 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/229.1/mb.ashx
I just went on and saw your post. My family on my mom's side were descendants of the Hunts and Angells. They came from Georgia. I have a little information but my uncle in Idaho has much more.<br>They settled in a town called Izee, Oregon near John Day. I have pictures of the ranch. Not much there today except a couple big ranches.2014-01-07 21:46:40Zorecinchttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/229.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx
Thanks, found it's at the local library, will pick it up.2013-09-24 22:09:36Zgu958http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx
I would suggest the new book "The Meek Cutoff: Tracing the Oregon Trail's Lost Wagon Train of 1845" by Brooks Geer Ragen. He has been over all of the routes &amp; has included lots of detailed maps in his book. You can buy it on Amazon for 20 something.2013-09-24 20:02:02ZRobinTBlairhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx
One map showed a path going northward between the future town of Madras and the Crooked River. I have a place up at 3-rivers, and was looking for see if I could find any trace. 2013-09-24 18:57:05Zgu958http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx
I knew he &amp; James went to live with their Grandparents about 1852 when Rebecca died giving birth to a daughter. Although I don't I don't have any evidence of this. By 1870 George &amp; James were living with their Aunt Nancy (Noble) Nelson and her family.<br><br>George Stoley/Noble married Mary Ellen about 1875 and they had 9 children:<br>Elnora, Eva (Not Ida) 1879-1966, <br>Ellery (Not Elmer) 1879-1945, Fred 1883-?, Denny 1886-?, Laura 1888-?, Esrael 1889-1964, Ethel 1892-?, Jack 1899-?.<br>I have a photo of the family from 1899.<br><br>Please contact me at <a href="mailto://kdbtj@frontier.com">kdbtj@frontier.com</a> and we can talk further. Thanks 2012-12-30 05:27:32Zkdboershttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.2.2.1.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.2.2.1/mb.ashx
I had originally written this post in 2008, so I was pleasantly surprised to get your response. Your ancestor, George is James Alexander Stoley Noble's brother. They also have a younger sister, Jane Stoley Noble. Israel Stoley and Rebecca Jane Noble's children's surnamnames were all legally changed to Noble from Stoley in 1858, and they were raised by their mother's parents, Henry Jackson Noble, Sr. and Mary Ann (Layton)Noble. I have George and Mary Ellen in my database, however the children I have for them are: Elnora A. Noble (dob abt 1876), Ida M. Noble (dob abt 1879) and Elmer E. Noble (dob abt 1880). I don't have Esrael A. Noble. Do you have a dob for him? <br><br>I look forward to hearing from you.2012-12-29 22:39:51Znjpritchardhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.2.2.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.2.2/mb.ashx
Henry Noble is also my 3rd Great Grandfather through his daughter Rebecca Jane Noble &amp; Israel Stoley and their son George Stoley/Noble and Mary Ellen and their son Esrael Augustus Noble. <br><br>I would love to exchange information with you.2012-12-29 07:41:08Zkdboershttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.2.2/mb.ashxNathan Turner Familyhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/239/mb.ashx
My GGGrandmother was Eliza Turner (Frazer). I need information on her death. She died in Tulare, CA in 1898. Does anyone have a copy of her death certificate or whatever was used in that time?<br><br>Analee Tohill2012-08-25 17:28:30Zatinflorencehttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/239/mb.ashxRe: Lost Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/2.13/mb.ashx
I am directly related to Elijah Elliott. He was my great great great great grandfather.2012-06-17 22:03:59Zdeborahmauro70http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/2.13/mb.ashxRe: Smith wagon train from Warren Co. Iowa 1862.http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/219.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx
I know that US Cavalry was pulled out of "Trail duty" about 1862. They were needed for the Civil War! There was no help for travelers after that for a few years. The Indians took advantage of this too unfortunately!2012-06-11 00:09:59Znanceport120http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/219.2.1.1.2/mb.ashxdiary of Cornelia Ann Turner Davis, emigrant of 1852http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/238/mb.ashx
i believe that my great-great-grandfather, John Ross, of Seattle, was on the wagon train accompanying the Turner Family of North, Harrison, Ohio. Father was Frank L. Turner. I have seen references to a diary by daughter Cornelia Ann Turner. Does anyone know where i could find a copy? thank you!2012-05-23 03:23:36Zbobbiedevorehttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/238/mb.ashxRe: 1847 Kimsey-Smith Mo-&gt;OT on Barlow Trail: Jesse Townsend?http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/227.2.1.1/mb.ashx
To clarify the connection (sort of): Lettie McCracken was a daughter of Effariah Simpson and Nimrod McCracken. Nimrod McCracken was an uncle of Duff Kimsey, who was husband of Maudana Smith, who was daughter of John W Townsend's uncle Doctor Kimsey. That is, Lettie McCracken and Duff Kimsey were first cousins, and John W. Smith and Maudana Smith Kimsey were also first cousins.2012-04-02 20:26:10Zjeozeranhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/227.2.1.1/mb.ashxRe: 1847 Kimsey-Smith Mo-&gt;OT on Barlow Trail: Jesse Townsend?http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/227.2.1/mb.ashx
One mystery cleared: John W Townsend, son of Jesse Townsend and Hannah Smith, married Lettie McCracken, not Lettie Simpson (right family, wrong Lettie).2012-04-02 20:10:59Zjeozeranhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/227.2.1/mb.ashxRe: 1847 Kimsey-Smith Mo-&gt;OT on Barlow Trail: Jesse Townsend?http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/227.2/mb.ashx
We have some information that might help you. Just a couple of quick things. Jessie Townsend died in Marion Co., MO. He was not the wagon master. <br><br>Doc Smith was the wagon master and he died southwest Wyoming near Green River, he fell ill with what they called camp fever and died on the west side of the river. He was buried in the middle of the road and his grave was covered with ashes from the campfire so the Indians and animals would not dig it up. <br><br>My main interest has been the Hannah Smith line. Her daughter Martha, married William C. Brown. Many of the people you are interested in are buried in his cemetery. Go on line and type in "William C. Brown Cemetery" and you will get a lot of information. I so have photo's of some graves and some of the individuals. <br><br>I have not been able to locate much on Jessie Townsend. Do you have anything on him such as who were his parents, etc.?<br><br>If you can go to Ancestry, go to your Jessie Townsend. See if a Beard-McConnell line comes up. I am an editor for this part. It may help you. <br><br>I do not have a complete list of who came on the wagon train. My wife's grandmother, said they came by the Southern Rout, which according to my understanding would be the Jessie Applegate Trail, entering Oregon from the South.<br><br>If you are still interested, I will check on your question on John Townsend/Lettie Simpson/Kimsey, etc. question. <br><br>David<br><br><br><br>David<br><br>2012-04-02 08:39:24Zdvidakromer39http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/227.2/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.4/mb.ashx
Hi...I am looking for information on the Ownbey/Jasper connection. My line is Benjamin Franklin Ownbey2012-02-01 02:02:32ZDavidson_Bernahttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.4/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx
my gr gr grandfather was Andrew Jackson who was Williams twin brother. very cool.2012-01-26 03:14:36Zoredevhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.2.2.1.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.2.2.1/mb.ashx
Which of his children are you descended from? I am descended from one of the twins, William Riley.2012-01-26 01:58:24Zmamimehttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.2.2.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.2.2/mb.ashx
Jessee Marvin Ownbey was my gr gr grandfather2012-01-25 17:00:46Zoredevhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.2.2/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.3/mb.ashx
that would be correct.2012-01-25 16:59:27Zoredevhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.3/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.1.3/mb.ashx
I to am a direct Ownbey relative. I have talked with Berna thru e mail. I have done extensive research on the 1845 train using the Diaries of Samuel Parker, Jessee Harritt, James Fields, and most of the books about the trip. I have concluded that when Stephen Meek left fort boise in his lead train were capt. Samuel Parker and Capt. Nicholas Ownbey, Nicholas being my gr.gr.gr. grandfather. One of those with Nicholas was W.A, Goulder, who wrote a book Reminiscences of a Pioneer, which I have a copy. I have the Ownbeys way back.2012-01-25 16:58:21Zoredevhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.1.3/mb.ashxRe: Roster of KENNEDY Company 1862 Wagon Trainhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.9.1/mb.ashx
I don't know how to find this story online anymore. I had it saved in my files. I have no way of knowing if the errors are from typing or transcribed from the actual story. I also do not know the source of the story or I would attach the information.<br><br><br>The “Covered Wagons Are Real to Her”<br><br> “Mrs. Christena Chambers of Lewiston, Idaho, usually called Aunt Teen, is 92 years old. She doesn’t have to read books and try to imagine what pioneer life was like. She knows. When Teen was five, her parents, Ephraim and Nancy Taylor, started from Iowa in May, 1862. They had oxen and two covered wagons. There were eight children, and two men traveled with them. A neighbor, John K. Kennedy, led a train of 62 wagons. Likely they followed the Mormon Trail north of the Platte River and joined the Oregon Trail near Fort Kearney in south central Nebraska. Cows wre brought along. Cream in a crock in the wagon made butter during a day’s jolting. Hot biscuits were baked almost every morning in a reflector oven. Raised bread was baked when a stop was made for clothes washing. There was always food for all, though some of the bacon was crammed down the throats of the oxen poisoned by alkali. Boys old enough to stand guard with the men were very proud. One of the men scoffed at the boys. When it was his turn to watch he went to sleep. The boys dragged him down into the creek, and laughed all the way to Oregon. Teen’s mother went to the first trading post, but there wre no fresh vegetables except one 4-pound onion. The trader made her a present of it. Aunt Teen remembers only two trading posts. The other may have been at Fort Laramie, in Wyoming, or Fort Hall, Idaho (*Not Fort Hall..it was closed up years before*) She says they did not see any buffalo. On July 6th there was a murder. Two men with a mule team had joined the train. The younger man shot the little old man who owned the outfit but did not get him buried before the train came up. A jury of 12 men assembled in a rough inclosure of logs. A fire was kept going, and the accused man was there under guard. Children clambered on the logs and others drew near and listened. The sentence was death by shooting. The man had little to say for himself except that he didn’t know there was any harm in killing a man on the plains. He had a family back east and spent most of the night writing letters. In the morning the oxen were yoked and the train prepared to move. A firing squad of 12 men was ready, some of the rifles carrying blank loads. A grave had been dug and a coffin made of boards from the decking of a wagon. The man sat on the coffin and waited. Teen’s father, face white, held the horns of his oxen to keep them from stampeding. ’I can hear those guns yet,’ says Aunt Teen.<br><br>‘Indians were met several times. The bucks always looked ready for battle, though seemingly friendly. Squaws carried their children tied to their backs with horsehair ropes. They wore blankets or buffalo robes and moccasins. Even ’friendly’ Indians couldn not always be trusted. The tribes were realizing finally that the whites were taking the country away from them and they were desperate.’<br><br>‘Aunt Teen came very near to being trampeled to death by her father’s oxen in a sudden stampede one morning during yoking up. Her neck was gashed by a boot. In a stampede on the prairie her brother, nine years old, was running, trying to catch up. A following team and wagon would have run him over had not a man yanked him out of the way.’<br><br>‘Of course there were happier or more amusing times on the trip. For instance, the fix Teen’s mother got into. She was barefooted, and became marooned in a bed of cactus. Another woman carried her out.’<br><br>‘And then there was the Great Cream Fight. Two Irish women were partners in a churn; but they had a quarrel and ended up with cream splashed all over themselves and around.’<br><br>‘A young woman was hurt fatally in a stampede of the oxen. Her baby was born dead. The children noticed the woman under a wagon and went to find out what was going on. They wre told the injured girl was sick. When they saw a woman holding the baby they knew without being told that it was dead. Teen is still haunted by this memory.’<br><br>‘An unknown man was found dead. There was nothing to show the cause of death, and he had his gun and also a fair sum of money.’<br><br>‘One man often left the train and went hunting alone, though warned of danger. An arrow almost struck him but he outwitted the lone Indian and shot him. Thereafter the hunter struck close to the train.’<br><br>‘Aunt Teen does not remember seeing any soldiers on the trail. A day came, August 9th, when they needed help but there were no soldiers near. The Indians were well aware of it. Near the American Falls of the Snake River, a train of 12 or 5 horse drawn wagons, the ‘New Yorker’s’, was ambushed. One man rode back a few miles to get help from Kennedy’s train. A number of armed men hurried to the scene and later the ox train was brought up and encamped. Teen says it was the most awful sight, with dead people on the ground, dead and wounded horses, women and children crying, wagons burning; flour, sugar and feathers scattered on the earth where the Indians had ripped sacks, beds and wagon covers to get cloth.’<br><br>‘The Indians had driven off the horses. Kennedy led 25 men (Colin’s note: Ephraim Taylor amongst them) and tried to capture some of the horses. (Colin’s note: by foolishly attacking the encampment of over 200 braves and families). The party was surrounded and fought for hours that hot day. They reached a few trees on a hill, but even so the situation was desperate and they might have been killed had not another group of emigrants, The ’Missouri Train’, come in sight about sundown. The Indians withdrew.’<br><br>‘Seven men were killed and six were wounded, including the captain. The weapons then commonly used, even by soldiers, were muzzle-loaders. Breech-loading rifles were very scarce. A few Indians had guns but most of them fought with bow and arrow and scalping knife.’<br><br>Among those counted dead were two wounded men who had to be abandoned and could not be found later. Undoubtedly Indians took them away. One had said all he wanted to do was stay and kill Indians.’<br><br>‘Five dead men were carried in and laid down in the circle of wagons. Among the wounded was Ephraim Taylor, shot through the side and back. The wound was cleansed by drawing a silk handkerchief through it, and he recovered. A few wagons in poor condition were replaced by better ones that had belonged to the New Yorkers and the ox train went on.’<br><br>‘A woman wounded in the massacre died and was buried beside the trail August 12.’<br><br>‘Word was received of two captive children in an Indian camp and several men went there and bought them. Teen says, but she doesn’t know what was traded for them, nor what became of them. They were white, a boy and a girl, 4 or 5 years old. Seemingly they could not speak English, and were thin and ragged. The women cut off their tangled hair, which was full of lice, and cleaned them up. Captain Kennedy took charge of them.’<br><br>‘At camp on an alkali flat an Indian shot a guard. He was watched till daylight, and killed when he tried to gt away. Later 12 mounted Indians met the train and asked questions. They got no information but found the Indian. The emigrants feared trouble but nothing happened.’<br><br>‘On throught September the weary caravan went on. “Lots of peoplle wished they’d never come,’ Teen says. Every morning there were dead oxen with legs sticking up stiffly, poisoned by alkali. Finally the emigrants looked down into the Grande Ronde valley. It was beautiful, but the fall weather was chilly. ’Don’t you think after a country is settled it’s not so cold?’asks Teen. Emigrant trains usually began breaking up in the Grande Ronde. A few shacks could be seen and many stopped and took farms in 1862. John K. Kennedy settled there. The Taylors and the two men traveling with them reached Walla Walla with one wagon dragged by one horse and one cow. Walla Walla was the largest town in Washington Territory, but was mostly shacks and ragged tents fluttering I the cold wind. It was October.’ (Christena Taylor married J.M. Chambers in 1873 and the couple raised seven children. She died in 1926 at the age of 80.) <br>2012-01-05 21:21:45ZDiggingformyrootshttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/119.9.1/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.5.1/mb.ashx
I'm a descendant of 1845 Meek Cutoff: my great great grandmother Mary Ann (Butts) Wilcox was a child of about 9 yrs. Her mother Catherine Bonnett Butts died on the trail.<br>I was given the book "Terrible Trail: the Meek Cutoff, 1845" by my aunt Edna Page in the 60's when it was published. I have a personal account of my great great grandmother, interviewed when she was in her 80's. (Also, a letter from book's author Tiller to an aunt, Mrs. Black about location of Catherine Butts grave location.2011-12-06 22:01:39Zjackandjeanettehttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.5.1/mb.ashxRe: Umatilla Agency List 1853 http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/236.2/mb.ashx
Did you ever get this information? If not, I finally made it to the Oregon State Library this week and made copies of the list. I'm afraid I have bad news: there are no Cunninghams listed on Sept 10, and no J Cunningham or any Cunningham with a large family on any date. Here are the Cunninghams that ARE listed: <br><br>Cuningham, E. - Sept 18; <br>Cunningham, (Mrs.) &amp; son - Aug 20; <br>Cunningham, S. - Sept 12; <br>Cunningham, W.M. &amp; wife, August 30. <br><br>Note that the list names single individuals or heads of households only, with just a count of family members, e.g. wife, son(s), daughter(s), so E. Cunningham on Sept 18 and S. Cunningham on Sept 12 were single. Female heads of households were consistently listed as (Miss) or (Mrs.). <br><br>What information do you have that your family should have passed through there on Sept 10, 1853? It's possible they did but was not enumerated - the introduction states that some trains were missed if the "unnamed enumerator" was absent or ill. If you are sure they arrived in 1853 (e.g. from DLC), perhaps they split off in Idaho and came via a southern route. <br><br>Also, this document is an index and there may be transcription errors. The original article was on page one of the Oregonian on October 29, 1853 - it may be possible to find it online. The Oregon Historical Society has a lot of early Oregonian microfilms, and perhaps Genealogy Bank or other archive sites would have it. I will look for it next time I am at OHS, whenever that is!<br><br>I just did a search on paper-trail.org - found James Cunningham listed on a survey of "Crossing the Plains and Mining in Oregon and Caliornia", a reminiscence by George Miller West. He is listed on the roster of a company of miners in 1852 - the Butler party. It also says "non-emigrant mention," which doesn't make sense if he was on the roster. This book is a memoir that covers quite a few years - including an 1853 trip - dates are by year only. It is at the Oregon Historical society, the Bancroft Library (UC Berkeley), and at the Nebraska State Historical Society.<br><br>Paper-trail.org also has a diary for 1853 that lists "Cunningham" - sounds like a miners' company too. They cut off at Soda Springs (Idaho) to Salt Lake City and thence via the Applegate Trail to Jacksonville OR, arriving 10/8/1853. Cunningham is mentioned on 9/27/1853. No details here either; these surveys are bare-bones extracts. The original is at the Newberry Library in Chicago - sounds like it is pretty detailed. <br><br>There are some other Cunninghams in paper-trail.org, all 1850 &amp; miners rom the sound of it. In any case, these all sound like single men, miners, not a head of household traveling with a large family. <br><br>If you are interested I can send you pdf's of these - you have to have a paid subscription to OCTA to look at them on paper-trail.com. I can't attach them here because they are pdf's.<br><br>Best wishes,<br>Margaret<br><br>2011-10-28 06:55:47Zmizmurdockhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/236.2/mb.ashxRe: looking for descendants 1845 Meek Cutoff of Oregon Trailhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.2.1/mb.ashx
Yep.....please contact me at <a href="mailto://Sydney.Gabel@gmail.com">Sydney.Gabel@gmail.com</a> I have very interested in some Jasper information, as well as Owenbey. Where are they buried?2011-10-05 01:51:48ZSYDGABELhttp://boards.ancestry.com/topics.migration.oregon-trail/218.4.2.2.1/mb.ashx