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My take on all this (been a long time).

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I made a case for Matt Cassel coming here when we signed him. I do think that there was some unwarranted hate for the man before he had a chance to prove himself. I acknowledge his time here has been anything but easy. I think he seems like a good guy with a good work ethic and I'm sorry things didn't turn out better on both ends of this deal. I hope he makes a full, speedy recovery and lives a long, happy life. That being said, I do not want to see him under center again in a Chiefs uniform.

After watching him play for the last few seasons, I really don't think Matt Cassel should have been on the field to get injured in the first place. His lackluster performance and turnovers aside, the guy has always looked like a deer in the headlights with pass rushers coming down on him. He just doesn't seem quite athletic enough to evade or absorb hits over a prolonged career in the NFL. I haven't been able to help but think that he was going to eventually get killed out there over the last couple of years. I vividly remember when Trent Green tried to take-off for a run in the twilight of his career against the Bengals when he got knocked out. It was horrible and I get that same feeling in my gut that I'm about to see something terrible each time Cassel is about to take a hit.

Speaking of that hit on Green, I also remember watching Damon Huard get us into the playoffs just to get benched in favor of Green so we could watch that train wreck. While Trent Green did a lot for the Chiefs in his time at QB and I agreed with him getting a shot, Damon Huard at least earned a chance that he never got when it was obvious that Green just wasn't what he had been before. This is just another example of this organization's LOOOOOONG history of playing politics rather than football at quarterback.

A prolonged lack of quality on the field has led to disappointment from the fans that has now grown into hostility. We have a divided fan base and an organization that's all at odds with each other-- a perfect storm that culminated into what we saw and heard on Sunday.

I'm not sure those people who cheered when Cassel went down did so because someone got hurt. While I'm not making excuses for the atrocious behavior of a few drunken hecklers I did hear in the audio, I think maybe most who cheered did so because that was the ONLY possible way that we were ever going to get someone else an opportunity under center. Maybe they were cheering for the thinnest ray of hope as there was NO WAY our gutless head coach and GM would have EVER benched the 66 million dollar man. Will Brady Quinn be our savior? Probably not but Chiefs fans have been drowning in a sea of misery for so long that some will see even the thinnest of threads as a lifeline to drag them up from the abyss.

Besides, anybody who has watched this team for the last 20 years and still hasn't become numbed to the point of hardly giving a damn has to be at least marginally insane. So Matt Cassel got hurt and some insane people cheered... It should have been left at that.

Instead, the same Chris Berman that shared a chuckle with Tom Jackson about Robert Griffin III sustaining a concussion Sunday scolds Chiefs fans on Monday night while fabricating a lie on national TV by saying Matt Cassel was "carted off" the field. I distinctly remember these jackwagons showing highlights of players getting leveled by devastating hits while screaming "HE GOT JACKED UP!" a few years back. It's hard to miss the irony here.

Mike Ditka, who made a career out of crushing people on the football field and regularly complains about the wussification of modern football, slammed chiefs fans for being drunken barbarians. Eric Winston, the player who's comments sparked this firestorm, spoke on radio shows a few months ago about how the players should have held out longer for a better CBA because the current one handed too much authoritarian power to Goodell as comissioner. Winston made these statements in response to the heavy-handed punishments and suspensions levied against the Saints by the league for paying bounties to defensive players for injuring opposing team members and knocking them out of games. Howver, in today's news world, facts evidently don't matter when you've got a story on your hands...

Apparently, ESPN has now joined the ranks of FOX, CNN, and MSNBC as completely-spun BS propaganda outlets that serve an agenda. The fact that there is no actual, factual television news reporting left in America-- not even in sports-- is absolutely and undeniably pathetic.

Now, people are all worked-up over an exaggerated story about how inhumane it is to cheer a concussion to a football player. I'd wager most of these people support spreading more "democracy" across the world with bombs and bullets as if hundreds of thousands of deaths aren't enough already. The hypocrisy train rolls on...

So Chiefs fans will be subsequently crucified, torched, and tossed under the bus. Analysts across the country are drooling all over themselves at an opportunity to make KC look like a bunch of redneck barbarians (their disdain for the Chiefs has been obvious through the years).

Meanwhile, nobody is talking about how these guys are 1-4, leading the league in giveaways, and have not had a lead even once during regulation in any game this season.

Nobody is talking about how the Chiefs were the only team to find the end zone in Sunday's game (twice) but the scores were nullified by garbage refs that are no better than the scabs that replaced them while they were striking for more money to throw games on crap calls (this is far from the first time I thought a chunk of the owners in the league may still have an axe to grind from the AFL days). For the record, the Falcons ran that same pick play on us a dozen times or more in week 1 and I watched the Patriots doing the same thing to the Broncos just this past Sunday. Flacco's fumble can go right up there with the "simultaneous possession" fiasco between the Packers and Seahawks a few weeks ago in the BS category.

...but we're not talking about football. We're talking about how "horrible" and "classless" the fans are in KC...

The front office, coaches, and players are probably welcoming the distraction as the people that made all of these dudes rich take the heat. Chiefs fans keep paying for gold and getting dung in return. At a time where these guys SHOULD be taking flak from the fans, they have been turned into martyrs and the fans that have carried them on their backs for so long are now put on the defensive as their integrity is assaulted as a whole. Eric Winston was right about one thing, this whole mess is sickening and stinks to high heaven. It's sad that after 20 years, I doubt I'd give half a damn if Clark Hunt moved this "team" to LA tomorrow...

I really don't think I can stomach watching this franchise ruin Jamaal Charles' career/life by expecting him to run the ball 500 times this season. This guy is a special talent and it will be unforgivable to burn him out in one (losing) season.

I still want to give Romeo a hug. He seems like a really great, nice person. He just doesn't seem to be a very good coach. Running Jamaal Charles into the ground and risking his health/career to isolate your QB from mistakes/criticism is about as poor as game planning gets. Hire a true head coach or defensive coordinator. We have the defensive version of Todd Haley one year after letting him go...

Brian Daboll sucks. We passed on Al Saunders for this guy?! Really?! <facepalm> His offenses couldn't score in Cleveland and Miami and his offense can't score here in KC. Who DIDN'T see this coming?

Scott f'in Pioli is the most overrated trash that has EVER been pawned-off on this franchise. You could combine Todd Blacklidge, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, and Matt Cassel and still not be even in the same ballpark of BS hype masking the utter incompetence of this current GM. I really didn't think there was any way in hell it would be possible to do worse than Carl Peterson. I was wrong.

I've been through bad times and the not-so-bad times but now is an all-time low to be a Chiefs fan.

First of all, can we keep this thread from becoming yet another contest of who has the bigger "fan junk"? Seriously...

Second of all, Connie knows her stuff and bases her opinion off her interpretation of the facts (as she should). Her posts are for the most part well-written and thought-out.

Third, whether you're cheering or criticizing, anybody who's here to discuss the team, (especially when things haven't been going so well) is most likely a pretty dedicated fan. Doing one more loudly than the other at any particular time doesn't make one any more or less of one. It's been said a kazillion times, but for the sake of redundancy: We're all passionate about the Chiefs in our own ways.

Now back to the original point: It's not Pioli's differences from Peterson that concern me. It's the similarities. No GM is going to strike gold on every draft pick, no matter how good. Likewise, no matter how bad he may be, no GM will always strike-out on every pick. Matt Millen drafted Megatron, for instance.

I was excited to have Pioli in KC but watching him repeat the same mistakes at QB as his predecessor is certainly a justifiable cause for concern.

Sorry for the hijack mOefOe.....but some people deserve to get called a troll. Connie Jo ain't one of them. Anybody that spends any substantial time on Internet Bulletin Boards is bound to make a post that goes a little over the top from time to time. Lord knows I have done it often enough myself. But I have a very hard time having any respect for someone that won't admit they went too far. I just wish IslandKing77 would have the decency to withdraw his "troll" comment.

Back to your thread....

Pioli worries me as I gather he does you. As a team and a fan base we seem to be in chaos.

Our QB situation is at best a mess.

RC hasn't even been head coach for 16 games and a lot of people seem to want him gone.

No doubt A LOT of people want Pioli gone.

And now the whole "Why were they cheering" controversy.

Our beloved Chiefs seem to be in worse shape than I have seen them in all the years since I became a fan in the late '60s.

And yet I believe that purely from a talent point of view we are a team that is only a quarterback away from being a real contender.

The quarterback situation is hurting us and the chaos the quarterback situation is causing is KILLING us.

I think Pioli can be a great GM given another year or two, but I seriously wonder if he'll get the chance.

I may be wrong about Pioli, but I know for sure that if we dump Pioli then we will be starting from ground zero again. New GM, new coach, new QB, new offensive scheme, new defensive scheme and with all that "new" we will wind up losing a lot of what is good about this team. I really don't want to see us start another 5-7 year rebuilding process now. I don't think we are far away from some serious success.

That said....*IF* Cowher were willing to come to KC in some capacity I would probably dance a jig in Times Square at high noon wearing nothing but Chiefs Paint.

Sorry for the hijack mOefOe.....but some people deserve to get called a troll. Connie Jo ain't one of them.

No problem. I agree that Connie definitely isn't a troll. She did come riding into this thread on a high horse, though. When I called Scott Pioli "overrated trash", I believe it was neither "foul" nor "vulgar". There were A LOT worse things to say about him swirling in my head and I have said MUCH WORSE in reference of others I felt were worthy of criticism in the past. Again, she's not a troll but things ALWAYS degrade like they did in this thread when people go all "holier than thou" on the internet. I'm not defending him but whether the dude apologizes or not is on him (between them and God so to speak). It ain't up to you and me.

Originally Posted by ctchiefsfan

Our beloved Chiefs seem to be in worse shape than I have seen them in all the years since I became a fan in the late '60s.

And yet I believe that purely from a talent point of view we are a team that is only a quarterback away from being a real contender.

The quarterback situation is hurting us and the chaos the quarterback situation is causing is KILLING us.

I agree on all counts and if Pioli gets the QB situation figured out it would go a long way toward giving me some confidence in his leadership as I really do like some of the talent he has drafted and feel that he HAS improved the roster overall. It's a shame all the good things he has done are being cancelled-out and overshadowed by one huge, glaring mistake that he keeps repeating.

Sorry for the hijack mOefOe.....but some people deserve to get called a troll. Connie Jo ain't one of them. Anybody that spends any substantial time on Internet Bulletin Boards is bound to make a post that goes a little over the top from time to time. Lord knows I have done it often enough myself. But I have a very hard time having any respect for someone that won't admit they went too far. I just wish IslandKing77 would have the decency to withdraw his "troll" comment.

Back to your thread....

Pioli worries me as I gather he does you. As a team and a fan base we seem to be in chaos.

Our QB situation is at best a mess.

RC hasn't even been head coach for 16 games and a lot of people seem to want him gone.

No doubt A LOT of people want Pioli gone.

And now the whole "Why were they cheering" controversy.

Our beloved Chiefs seem to be in worse shape than I have seen them in all the years since I became a fan in the late '60s.

And yet I believe that purely from a talent point of view we are a team that is only a quarterback away from being a real contender.

The quarterback situation is hurting us and the chaos the quarterback situation is causing is KILLING us.

I think Pioli can be a great GM given another year or two, but I seriously wonder if he'll get the chance.

I may be wrong about Pioli, but I know for sure that if we dump Pioli then we will be starting from ground zero again. New GM, new coach, new QB, new offensive scheme, new defensive scheme and with all that "new" we will wind up losing a lot of what is good about this team. I really don't want to see us start another 5-7 year rebuilding process now. I don't think we are far away from some serious success.

That said....*IF* Cowher were willing to come to KC in some capacity I would probably dance a jig in Times Square at high noon wearing nothing but Chiefs Paint.

I tend to agree with the not firing Pioli thought most of the time, he pisses me off sometimes but if he would just get the QB "situation" here ironed out he would become a good GM for us IMO. To be honest RAC may have 3 good years left in him at his age and was a short term fix at best. Given the circumstances with coaches and available QB talent it's not going to surprise me if CJ is correct in stating he was given the 3 yr extension.

Question did pioli bring in Phil emery or was he here already seems like he's going to be a pretty good gm. The bears fans I hang out with ask why he wasn't our gm. I have no clue. They love him in Chicago.

Emery was here in 2008 and Pioli was hired in 2009 so it doesn't look like it.

So that could have been our mistake. MAybe 2 more years of carl peterson allowing phil to get on the job training and should have promoted him. Then we wouldnt be going the new england/ cleveland route. I really don't know much about him but bears fans seem to be impressed.

So that could have been our mistake. MAybe 2 more years of carl peterson allowing phil to get on the job training and should have promoted him. Then we wouldnt be going the new england/ cleveland route. I really don't know much about him but bears fans seem to be impressed.

I wasn't sure of the timeline but the Emery 2008, Pioli 2009 seems about right. Just another fine example of not promoting within and letting talent slip out of KC. Sigh.