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Can us Area III people participate here too? Like for instance if we were planning on doing the Queens Cup, or Louie's Last???

JO.N.

As much participation as possible would be great, just thought I would start a thread similar to Area III. I sincerely doubt that it will ever reach the same level of participation, or interest, but what the hell...

Consider the Grand Prix as well, good warm up for the Verve, especially with more entries.

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Spread the word. Crew search party at SSYC April 28 3:00 PM till 6:00PM. Skippers looking for crew and crew looking for a ride any experience level welcomed. PHRF . Wed. beer can races Q Cup. Some new boats at club include Mumm 36, J 105 and others. Here's the best part FREE BEER. PHRF meeting at SSYC April 4 7:00 P.M. FREE BEER we are trying to add to the fleet. All fleets meeting April 18 7:00 P.M. FREE BEER. Owners and crew are welcomed to all.

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Since there is no official 2007 Rating List available @ lmphrf.com, what I want to know is for which PROMO, current (sail # 52791) or former (sail # 52555), was SCOUT's owner advocating a rating change to -51?

Anyone?

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Since there is no official 2007 Rating List available @ lmphrf.com, what I want to know is for which PROMO, current (sail # 52791) or former (sail # 52555), was SCOUT's owner advocating a rating change to -51?

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question for the south shore guys. if we set up an A scow at your club for the summer, who would be interested in getting out on wed nights? we have an extra boat with no crew at pyc and the ILYA champs in 2008 at ssyc and would like to interest a ssyc group to sail it.

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question for the south shore guys. if we set up an A scow at your club for the summer, who would be interested in getting out on wed nights? we have an extra boat with no crew at pyc and the ILYA champs in 2008 at ssyc and would like to interest a ssyc group to sail it.

Dex,

If you need a hand making this all come together, let me know. I'm always willing to help get new people in the fleet.

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Are you guys going to play with the GL36 class that is being worked on?

Jon

Rogue is the former Erliechda. We are members of the GL36 fleet and will be racing with the other N/Ms and Mumms as much as possible. There are four Mumms in Milwaukee now so even the local competition will be exciting. I think there will be at least 8 GL36 boats in the NOODs and Queens Cup.

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Rogue is the former Erliechda. We are members of the GL36 fleet and will be racing with the other N/Ms and Mumms as much as possible. There are four Mumms in Milwaukee now so even the local competition will be exciting. I think there will be at least 8 GL36 boats in the NOODs and Queens Cup.

Pretty cool to see a similar group of boats like this coming together. Should be some good racing.

Why would you live in Milwaukee and own a scow? Honestly. Lake Michigan has a lot to offer - big air, big waves, open water, fresh water. Yeah, sure you can sail in the ilya and an A scow is as cool as scows come, but have fun sailing 1/4 mile upwind beats.

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Rogue is the former Erliechda. We are members of the GL36 fleet and will be racing with the other N/Ms and Mumms as much as possible. There are four Mumms in Milwaukee now so even the local competition will be exciting. I think there will be at least 8 GL36 boats in the NOODs and Queens Cup.

Sweet - I used to sail on her. Fun boat, very tender and feels like a cork when the winds and waves whip up. I will not be sailing in the section with you, but I do know the guy on Sirocco who got the ball rolling on the section.

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Why would you live in Milwaukee and own a scow? Honestly. Lake Michigan has a lot to offer - big air, big waves, open water, fresh water. Yeah, sure you can sail in the ilya and an A scow is as cool as scows come, but have fun sailing 1/4 mile upwind beats.

We will be sailing the ILYA A scow champs next summer on Lake Michigan out of SSYC. Would be happy to give you a ride if we set the boat up.

For the record, we sailed 3.5 mile beats at last years champs and will again this year on Winnebago.

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Sweet - I used to sail on her. Fun boat, very tender and feels like a cork when the winds and waves whip up. I will not be sailing in the section with you, but I do know the guy on Sirocco who got the ball rolling on the section.

Have fun and may you do well - Jon

I see you know the boat. It is a blast in light air, fun in medium air but hang on in heavy air. We have had spectacular wipe outs in 25+, it definitely takes some skilled sailors under those conditions. We are looking forward to a competitive season with the GL36 boats.

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Launch party for the 105 tenatively on sat the 28 after the crew search.

Yep the weather was great the first two days in Charleston, you boys need to move a little farther south and start your season a little sooner. I see there is a J105 already registered for the Chicago NOOD, I am sure it will be registered for NAs soon. I think you should keep it on the trailer and send it to Annapolis, and go race with 44 other 105s already registered. Then come back for the NOODS and your lake michigan debut. Just kidding good luck with the new bus, see if you can get it to plane!!!

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Spread the word. Crew search party at SSYC April 28 3:00 PM till 6:00PM. Skippers looking for crew and crew looking for a ride any experience level welcomed. PHRF . Wed. beer can races Q Cup. Some new boats at club include Mumm 36, J 105 and others. Here's the best part FREE BEER. PHRF meeting at SSYC April 4 7:00 P.M. FREE BEER we are trying to add to the fleet. All fleets meeting April 18 7:00 P.M. FREE BEER. Owners and crew are welcomed to all.

bump to remind anyone interested that there is a crew search party tomorrow at SSYC

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Have any of you heard about the MYC Grand Prix designated as a PHRF Season Series counter? This is not posted on the SSYC site race schedule but it is in the Notice of Races posted on the SSYC site. I think this will create a number of issues such as:

This is a 5 race regatta - if you don't race you will only have one additional throwout for the season.

How does this affect boats that are hoping to race in a one design division in the Grand Prix such as the GL36's, J105's, etc who are also PHRF racers? Do they give up their PHRF season to race one design? Do they race PHRF and not have the opportunity to race one design?

How will the division splits be handled? If they are the same as the rest of the PHRF series how are out of town boats handled if one division is overloaded with boats and others have a minimum number of boats on the line?

What will be done about season series points when the results will be affected by a significant number of out of town boats? There will be more boats in your start than was anticipated by the out of town boat provisions in the Milwaukee Bay PHRF Notice of Race.

Does it matter that MYC has 15 races vs 9 for SSYC for the season?

Do MBPHRF racers have to pay the Grand Prix entry fee?

What are your thoughts? To get the opinion of the MBPHRF racers there is a poll set up on the Great Lakes 36 website www.gl36.com .

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Its been a while since I have posted. Its good to see a Milwaukee Thread..

Does anybody know when the 2007 Milwaukee Bay Sailing Instructions will be available?

And

Have the division splits been finalized. It would be interesting to know who will be out there..

FYI

Sabotage will be there for half of them.

One more question. I understand Scout will voluntarily give up 3 seconds a mile. This sounds great, but when everyone comes up to speed, like Promo, and the other Div 1 boats and he wants those seconds back. Will he get them? Under what protocol?

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One more question. I understand Scout will voluntarily give up 3 seconds a mile. This sounds great, but when everyone comes up to speed, like Promo, and the other Div 1 boats and he wants those seconds back. Will he get them? Under what protocol?

The rating change is completely voluntary and aimed at promoting closer racing. I doubt that losing some races is going to change Jamie's mind, hopefully the results will be much closer. I also wouldn't say that the other division 1 boats weren't up to speed, I'd say that the three seconds will create more interesting racing and series results.

Also, this rating change is only for the local Milwaukee races, Scout's PHRF cert hasn't been changed.

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The SIs are being completed as we speak. We can't do splits till we get more entries in but you can use last years as a guide. Scout will take a three second hit unless he is getting killed and takes it back a week prior to the next race. What half of the races are you going to do.

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The rating change is completely voluntary and aimed at promoting closer racing. I doubt that losing some races is going to change Jamie's mind, hopefully the results will be much closer. I also wouldn't say that the other division 1 boats weren't up to speed, I'd say that the three seconds will create more interesting racing and series results.

Also, this rating change is only for the local Milwaukee races, Scout's PHRF cert hasn't been changed.

I don't like it, but I don't have a dog in this race, our boat is entrenched in Division 2. If I were in Div 1 I would be insulted... In fact I am insulted, because we will compete on overall trophies. It cheapens the racing. If his rating is wrong then change the cert otherwise everyone else needs to get better. I certainly didn't ask for his benevolence and I don't want any gifts.

Just my 2 cents

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The SIs are being completed as we speak. We can't do splits till we get more entries in but you can use last years as a guide. Scout will take a three second hit unless he is getting killed and takes it back a week prior to the next race. What half of the races are you going to do.

We are going to do the South Shore Course races. Skelding, Tanger, Grudge, and a couple regattas of opportunity. If we can get crew together the commodores at Milwaukee. We are trying to do a weekend series a month..

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I don't like it, but I don't have a dog in this race, our boat is entrenched in Division 2. If I were in Div 1 I would be insulted... In fact I am insulted, because we will compete on overall trophies. It cheapens the racing. If his rating is wrong then change the cert otherwise everyone else needs to get better. I certainly didn't ask for his benevolence and I don't want any gifts.

Just my 2 cents

Ok.. on second thought, Maybe insulted is a little too strong... Jamie is a great guy and I have known him for most of my life, he has never ever insulted me and has treated me with a great deal of respect and friendship... Perhaps change the wording to "significantly taken aback"... I still don't like playing with ratings on a local level... ever..

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How does this affect boats that are hoping to race in a one design division in the Grand Prix such as the GL36's, J105's, etc who are also PHRF racers? Do they give up their PHRF season to race one design? Do they race PHRF and not have the opportunity to race one design?

How will the division splits be handled? If they are the same as the rest of the PHRF series how are out of town boats handled if one division is overloaded with boats and others have a minimum number of boats on the line?

Question. How would you handle One-Design boats that carry different PHRF certificates? For instance, you mention the J105s. I do know that most J105s NOT residing in Chicago carry an optimized PHRF handicap, meaning they are measured with gennys, higher weight limits, different spin cloth, etc. So I assume all the non-Chicago boats are using different PHRF equipment, thus rated differently by their PHRF boards. All the Chicago boats carry a One Design PHRF cert which immediately gives them an advantage, measured with only OD equipment. Since you can only carry one PHRF certificate, what do the tricked out (Oxymoron) 105ers do? Wouldn't that discourage participation from outside fleets, namely Chicago? Same issue with Queens Cup, right?

Flame on.

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Question. How would you handle One-Design boats that carry different PHRF certificates? For instance, you mention the J105s. I do know that most J105s NOT residing in Chicago carry an optimized PHRF handicap, meaning they are measured with gennys, higher weight limits, different spin cloth, etc. So I assume all the non-Chicago boats are using different PHRF equipment, thus rated differently by their PHRF boards. All the Chicago boats carry a One Design PHRF cert which immediately gives them an advantage, measured with only OD equipment. Since you can only carry one PHRF certificate, what do the tricked out (Oxymoron) 105ers do? Wouldn't that discourage participation from outside fleets, namely Chicago? Same issue with Queens Cup, right?

Flame on.

Rouge was talking about the Grand Prix regatta being included in the Milwaukee Bay season specifically. This used to be a unique event that ran its own registration and was completely separate from the Milwaukee Bay Season Series. A while back the J35s used this as one of the J35 season regattas and we were able to race this as a OD with out sacrificing our local season. The gl36 fleet that just started was trying to gain their own start, but with the regatta now being considered part of the local season series they would be sacrificing the season or at least their throw-outs by going this route if available at all.

To answer your question if the regatta or section split is a OD section all participants would be required to measure in to the OD configuration (gennys not allowed) your PHRF rating wouldn't matter. If it is a PHRF regatta then unfortunately you will need to sail to your cert.

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Ok.. on second thought, Maybe insulted is a little too strong... Jamie is a great guy and I have known him for most of my life, he has never ever insulted me and has treated me with a great deal of respect and friendship... Perhaps change the wording to "significantly taken aback"... I still don't like playing with ratings on a local level... ever..

I'm a bit torn by it, too, but I guess we'll take the gift and try to whip his butt all the same!

I wouldn't expect that he'd ask for the 3 seconds back if he had a string of losses. Jamie's definitely a stand-up guy and is trying to foster closer racing in a very wide Division 1. If his gesture helps maintain participation, then I'm for it.

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He is not changing his cert. If he has a string of losses he can take the 3 seconds back for the rest of the season.

Sez who?

Define a string of losses? 3 second place finishes, or 3rds or what.... so if I understand this correctly, this is only a temporary gift. So he doesn't win by as much? I am sure we will all feel better because it will look much closer on the results sheet. I think it would be better if he used old sails and didn't clean his bottom and had newbies call tactics. Now thats the proper way to sandbag...

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Define a string of losses? 3 second place finishes, or 3rds or what.... so if I understand this correctly, this is only a temporary gift. So he doesn't win by as much? I am sure we will all feel better because it will look much closer on the results sheet. I think it would be better if he used old sails and didn't clean his bottom and had newbies call tactics. Now thats the proper way to sandbag...

If you are in Section 2 why are you so concerned? Let the Section 1 owners make their own mind up about it... or are you really that concerned about the overall results?? I really doubt that a couple of non first place finishes of any kind(2nd, 3rd, DFL) will change Jamie's mind. I think the ability to take back the 3 seconds is there in case the margain of loss becomes larger than what would be expected for the conditions of the race and the way the boat was sailed. I really doubt that he will ever opt to take the time back anyways.