Edquinsame incident as the peeing one - so not sure its again just an addition to the earlier. innocent till proven guilty. Lets hope the poor lad can gain some contorl of his life again.
he seems to have gone off the rails the past 5 months, support needed to egt him back in the right place.

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At least he can point to his previous good character.

For what it's worth, I'm sure this is a similar situation to the Kiwi chamber maid.

Grandadlads/lasses of today. in my day first incident it were off to labour exchange with cards in hand not 4 in 4 months
goodbye danny care .

Obviously spoken from the heart and from a great deal of personal experience.

No doubt you've never @#$%& in the bushes either or had a drink too much when out celebrating.

Of course in my day journalists were respected and didn't hack murder victims phones or their close family. They wrote about topics of "real" interest in an intelligent and articulate way rather than hound celebrities and young wayward sports persons.

In my day the preacher quoted such passages from the bible as "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!"

In my day we waited on proof before we passed judgement. But that was after stoning and public hanging was banned and the witches ducking stool consigned to history. It was after women got the vote and young lads deemed old enough to die for their country.

I really do think that in these situations where serious allegations are made that the person accused of the alleged incident should not be named publicly.

Even if the accused manages to 100% prove his innocence there will always be those who chose to erroneously state "no smoke without a fire".

This would not be the first time a man has been wrongly accused of this crime, so all should bear this in mind until such a point as any guilt has been proven. If guilt is proven then anyone guilty of this crime deserves all they get – but not until.

Just because someone might have a drink problem does not mean they are automatically capable of sexual assault.

I think we all need to calm down a bit here. Danny Care hasn't gone out on a mass killing spree, he has just had too much to drink a couple of times. The only thing that disappointed me with Danny was the drink driving all the others I think can be put down to just one too many drinks. Richie as great as Karl Dickson and Richard Bolt have been I think we all know Danny is the best scrum half at Quins and probably nationwide which is why it must make things even more frustrating for him. As Quins fans I believe we need to get behind him and give him support, not moan about his personal life.

Not trolling, but reading other Boards, waiting for 1700 (yaaaawwwnnn!!!)...

I agree with keeping personal life personal, but with respect, MightiestQuin, D&D in a public place and drink-driving are NOT his personal life: he made them public by committing the relevant crimes - in public.

well it has. cant be bothjered to go through previous posts but itbwas stated that there would be a FOURTH incident and here we are againj. why on earth are we hiding heads in sand to cover for the guy. let him go now a TOTAL emn=barrasment to both club and country .fact

why 'leave the guy alone' .. only couple of weeks back you said that at 3 in 3 month incident. now lads doing wrong again. so we [ST holders and proud England Supporters] give him ANOTHER chance . so that will be FIVE chances .

What concerns me is why this is in the public domain? Clearly it hasn't come from Danny or the club-so it has to be leaked by the police to the press. Why? There is no public benefit in releasing this story unless he is formally charged (and even then I am not sure). All it does is damage Danny at a time when he cannot defend himself as he hasn't been charged with any offence. It is quite outrageous in my view.

And I'll say it again, Grandad LEAVE THE GUY ALONE! Plus this latest 'incident' is an allegation ie no official action has been taken, apart from some questioning by plod.

In any case, some of the sanctimonious (look that one up G'dad) posts on this thread make me feel disgusted. clearly DC needs some sort of help and I hope that the club are providing it, or at least pointing him in the correct direction to get it.

my idea of help is to realise that hes done wrong and needs to break away from 'something' thats obviously harming the lad. what that is. i/we dont know but danny care is on a public stage and at his young age needs to correct the problem before it consume everything

The one thing, having literally no idea of the exact allegations or evidence, I'd say is that the Quins number 9 shirt, for obvious, sad reasons, deserves a bit more respect. No hyperbole - I'm not suggesting DC should be a saint but staying out of the cells seems about right.

Grandadwhy 'leave the guy alone' .. only couple of weeks back you said that at 3 in 3 month incident. now lads doing wrong again. so we [ST holders and proud England Supporters] give him ANOTHER chance . so that will be FIVE chances .

"incident" number 4 is only alleged at this stage. If no charges result, will you publicly apologise for condemning DC?

Being arrested means nothing.it's being found guilty of something that makes a difference.

In the context of the discussion about DC being a liability when he's on the drink, it certainly means something.

I agree that it doesn't mean he's guilty of this though, but I also find it very hard to say anything to defend him just because he plays for the club I support. It's not that to me he's innocent until proven guilty, it's that I don't know if he's innocent or guilty and it's a pretty serious accusation. I won't harp on about it mind.

I wish I hadn't posted this now, if only to keep "Grandad" in his box. Dear God! Danny has NOT been convicted. Be educated, by the fact that in this country, not the country you seem to come from, we only sentence people WHEN they are convicted. He's not been charged. This could be a purely spurious (look it up) allegation!

I try not to bite, but please "lad" give it a rest. You really are a bit of a bore. Let us enjoy this board without having to endure uneducated, misspelled posts which do not contribute anything to the thread.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY! it's the rule of law.

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One of the founder members of the Q-GOMC (promoted to Major Grump) – and proud of it - Bah!

If DCs personal life is affecting the reputation of the club then someone at the club should be advising him on the standards that the club expects from its employees - and they may well be doing just that behind the scenes. That is no different to any business.

Not sure what you mean by 'social services', it costs nothing for one of the senior players to take DC under their wing - that sort of thing has been going on in team sport since the year dot.

Personally, I rate CoS and expect that he is dealing with this effectively in his own way.

A quick question for all the care haters.......if danny scores a try tomorrow or does a little bit of his magic and wins us the game, what are you going to do?! Sit there and sulk, rip up your season ticket in disgust ? Walk out the stoop?

No didn't think so.....

I really hope danny does score tomorrow because 99.99 % of quins supporters will cheer him to end...

Danny clearly has issues with alcohol and therefore needs all the support and help he can get from the Club, Supporters friends and family. The last thing he needs is any suggestion that his contract be terminated.

He is an outstanding player and with help he can hopefully nip the alcohol problem in the bud.

He has to admit to himself that he has a problem, he cannot keep putting it down to stupidity, bad luck and the like.

Good Luck Danny, you are an outstanding talent do not waste it. More importantly look after your well being.

I was reading the Saints message board a couple of days ago and thought there was a serious case of burying their heads in the sand in connection to Calum Clark. Unfortunately I think the same criticism could be levelled at the Quins board in relation to Danny Care. Whilst the latest charge is still most definitely alleged the fact remains that he’s been arrested three times in 4 months and had to answer questions from the police on another matter.

The trouble is though, Kevin, the media are setting the agenda, which is starting to look like nothing short of a witch-hunt, IMO. And large parts of the media are no respecters whatsoever of any person, their Club, or even the basis of law in this country that a person is innocent until proven guilty, or the consequences of report and be damned!

Is there any foundation to this latest allegation? What does it matter, it's news on the latest "bad boy of rugby"!
That's the attitude of many, seemingly some of the lad's home "supporters as well! When was the last time any of the hacks reported on any good that he is giving up his time for and doing in the community? Nah, who's interested in that?

He has issues; I know that because I've read reports where he has himself acknowledged them. So, how is the coverage that the gutter end of the press seem to wish to make public at every opportunity going to help him resolve those issues?

And as for Grandad, with respect, perhaps your time would be better spent with your face in a dictionary than on a message board, looking up the definitions of, and difference between, allegation and conviction. AFAIK, he hasn't even been charged with any offence in this latest alleged incident, yet you've got him tried, convicted, sacked and treated as an outcast!

If he has done wrong he should be punished. But, wouldn't it show some sense to hold off the lynch mob and await the outcome of any legal action, if it occurs, before calling for his head, yet again, just because his name is in the papers "for the wrong reasons"?

Can anyone remember when someone last made the redtops for the right reasons?

He has been asked questions to do with sexual assault - innocent until proven guilty - however if he was to be found guilty then i, like many of the other fans on here, would expect the club to do something.

I'm not a Quins fan per se, (I'm a Wasps fan for the record), but I abhor the way the media, like a dog with a bone, homes in on a "celebrity", and reports on every aspect of their life, usually with no regard to fact or consequence! Often these accusations are shown to be totally without foundation, but by then the damage is often done.

Whilst the members of the media, who seem to thrive on this scurrilous behaviour, can just move on to the next molehill out of which to create a mountain, the real victims are those who they leave behind to rebuild their lives and reputations, without as much as an apology, or even a retraction.

And, if you think I'm exaggerating, I'd just say that having followed the Leveson enquiry live on TV over recent months, it makes me realise that I was always wrong about the press; they're even more of guttersnipes than I had believed, and that goes right to the top in certain media organisations!

Spending a night in the cells for being drunk – ok its pretty innocuous when considered in isolation, however you don’t just get locked up for being @#$%&, you have to do something pretty daft on top of this.

Drink driving – it was on New Year’s eve and he’d been drinking, combined with the fact that I seem to remember he was a distance over the limit means I’m not inclined to be believe that he didn’t know he was over the limit (not that that would be an excuse in any case).

Urinating on a hotel – I was led to believe it was on the steps to the hotel. But regardless of this, Danny knows he’s in the public spotlight so urinating in a city centre when the previous has gone before is pretty brain dead.

I agree entirely with you on the point about what's happened to this once great country.

However, as it has been some years since it was, and since the behaviour now being described is commonplace by potentially millions of individuals, I am struggling to see the point in pillorying one individual for being a man of his time with, by his own admission, issues!

It's clearly a society problem. I'd imagine that's why the Government is tabling a proposal to increase considerably the price of "cheap" alcohol. That will put paid to all this boorish behaviour, won't it !

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