Sorry, I wasn't clear before. What I meant to say is to try restarting your game and go to the location that has been consistently crashing for you. This is to test to see if the problem is related to your saved game becoming corrupted. If it still in the same location despite starting a new game, then please post your load order.

I do not know of any bug reports related to CTD in cells containing netches. So hopefully, the problem is just related to either your saved game or some other data file being corrupted... the solution in that case would be to re-install what is corrupted.

Also, please answer the question regarding whether or not you see a netch before experiencing CTD. In other words, please describe what happens leading up to the CTD: Do you see a netch appear and then immediate CTD? Or do you get CTD prior to any netch appearing? In that case, how do you know the CTD is related to netches? Did you open up the area inside the CS? Please elaborate why you have decided this is related to loading cells containing bull/betty netches. That way, we do not have to waste time doing things you have already done and we can better reproduce exactly what you problem is. Thanks.

I don't see any netches because it crashes before they would even appear. I haven't tried opening the area in the CS yet, and so far the new game thing isn't helping because I don't know how to make the netches spawn to test it, since the spawning pattern seems to be random.

And I know it has to be related to the netches, because I ran through the same areas during times where they hadn't spawned and it didn't crash there. It only crashes when the cell would have a netch present apparently.

Ooookay. So I did the placeatme thing on both the current and new files, and it worked perfectly fine without crashing...wtf? Do those areas just have a broken spawn for the netches that won't fix itself or something?

Ooookay. So I did the placeatme thing on both the current and new files, and it worked perfectly fine without crashing...wtf? Do those areas just have a broken spawn for the netches that won't fix itself or something?

The crash usually happens here both here, and when I go towards here from Balur's farm. And my load/draw distance is all the way up, so do you think it's this area, or the area in the distance that's about to load whenever I step into this area?

If your game is crashing when you can standing or walking into that area, then it's probably an issue with a cell that is loading in the background. By default, the game engine will background load cells about 5 cell units away from your current position. Perhaps the crash is coming from a leveled list within +/- 5 cells of that area.

Then explore that area that crashed before to see if it crashes now. If it still does not crash, then it suggests that perhaps the crash problem is inside your saved game and has nothing to do with any of the installed data files.