Posted
by
timothy
on Sunday May 25, 2014 @08:27AM
from the just-call-it-good dept.

An anonymous reader writes with this news from Wired: "As a reward for his extensive cooperation helping prosecutors hunt down his fellow hackers, the government is seeking time served for the long-awaited sentencing of top LulzSec leader Hector Xavier Monsegur, also known as 'Sabu.' After delaying his sentencing for nearly three years, the government has asked a federal court to sentence Monsegur to time served — just seven months — calling him an 'extremely valuable and productive cooperator' in a document that details for the first time his extensive cooperation providing 'unprecedented access to LulzSec.'" That's much less than the 317 months in prison he might otherwise face.

Given the level of attention whore the little shit is I suspect he'll be his own worst enemy and start telling us about how awesome he was for raising awareness of corporate and government abuse on the internet but also how he decided he had to be a real good guy in the end "do what's right".

I'll be genuinely surprised if someone this utterly desperate for attention manages to keep his mouth shut about his life for more than 5 minutes after he completes his sentence.

Yes to both. Extreme grandstanding, nihilistic evil actions and not even a hint of a backbone. An impressive number of the worst possible qualities a human being can have combined in one person. Of course the feds recognize somebody like that as "extremely valuable", they like failed human beings.

Still, when it came time to make a decision between taking care of his family and telling "the man" to fuck off, he made a responsible decision to take care of his family.

If, for a second, you think he thought of his family, and not himself, you're deluded.He also didn't care much for the families of those he ratted out, did he?

The anon crowd hates this guy. The police hates this guy. Anyone with a backbone hates this guy.

I hope his family doesn't depend on him anymore, because who will employ someone who becomes a turncoat first chance they get, and who comes with a high risk of a lot of unwanted pizza deliveries?

Hey. I've been in the scene. I know how fun it can be, mischief here and there. Very cathartic. Especially for someone with lots of responsibility IRL.Did he think about his cousins when he was doing it? Oh fuck no!Did he think about the predicament he'd put them (and himself) in after being caught? Oh fuck yeah!

As for the families of those he "ratted out".

He was given an agency deal. Right, wrong or otherwise.Also, while I don't know about ALL of the lulzsec guys in this, and whether they deserved i

I have no clue what you are saying. But yes, destructive anarchists without any regard for fairness (they attacked individuals that had zero chances of fighting back) have no place in the world.

As to religions, "morals", governments, etc. these are among the most negative and evil constructs humans can come up with, no argument about that. The construction of these things is invariably driven by fear, greed, desire to dominate or kill others and the like. As I said, that may be why this person and the feds

Only just got back to this post, but others have already answered in the same way I would anyway. The two aren't mutually exclusive, the answer is both. The guy wasn't hacking because of his principles, but for attention, he blabbed to the authorities because he wasn't hacking for principles.

So the reason I call him a little shit is because everything he's done is for attention, and not for anything principled and he's ruined his life and that of many others in the process - he's ruined the lives of hackers

He has more room to run away from the mobs of angry geeks. Unless he actually go into the subterranean lairs, aka their mothers' basements, he can avoid most beatdowns.

The geek's talk of revenge and revolution always seem to be in inverse proportion to his actions --- though now and again you are left to wonder if you are looking at someone like the Isla Vista shooter.

well, outside you have a room that you can lock and unlock as you please.

however, everyone should be bitching more about the way US so called justice works nowadays. it's all backroom deals. well, not all but 80%+. what the law says that the punishment is for something has absolutely no relation to the time that the dealings put on them and the original charges have nothing to do with what the actual crimes are(or indeed what the prosecution even thinks happened) - and the prosecution and justice systems se

Oh exactly. As far as I can tell, unless you did something really heinous, for petty crime, drug crime, etc, the whole point of punishment is to make people who can afford to pay up. I have a particular friend.... you want to know how stupid the drug war is now....get this.

He was arrested in AZ; but lives near me on the east coast. He could afford a lawyer, he could afford to pay fines and fees. His entire court procedure was done...over the phone. He got probation.

I told them I was a devil worshiper to get rid of them once. They went and got their pastor or whatever and came back to convert me. I told them to get off the property yet again and they held prayer meetings on the sidewalk in front of my house for the next week or so. They stopped everyone who walked by and asked them to say a prayer for me because I was on a dark path filled with lies or something of the sort.

I finally had to tell them that I only said I was a devil worshiper to g

Generally if you just say "I'm not interested. Have a nice day." then close the door, that will be the end of it. If you get an especially pesky one, sometimes calling the local JW branch and politely asking to be removed from their list will fix it.

Arguing with them, or telling them you're a devil worshipper is about the worst thing you can do if you want them to leave you alone, as from their perspective you are now a challenge God has put before them.

The other thing that makes them go away is listening to their ideas calmly, with the same sort of relaxed air that you might have in a philosophy course. Then the game is to lead the conversation somewhere that they find distasteful. Probe a little. You can always go straight for the throat with gay marriage, but there are other ways to make them squirm. Ask questions that betray their ignorance of the source materials for the New Testament, e.g. that there are no reliable accounts written until decades aft

There is a world of difference between the two. - One is selling out their principles and friends or colleagues, either for money or because they have been caught themselves and were bullied or persuaded into it. The other is usually acting on principle, often to report some kind of crime - for the moral good, and very often at quite high costs to themselves - loss of money, jobs etc..

So that is now the governments way of doing things and it is considered acceptable? Just bang people away in a cell with a trial magically taking forever and after getting what they want we call for a conviction of time served and let them go? This is not a positive thing for anyone.

I do not mind that this person turned traitor on his compatriots. That is only fitting for an evil, nihilistic organization like LulzSec. What I do mind is that somebody heavily involved in their activities gets off so easy. Probably the feds found that they actually like this guy and his style...

The reason is because he was able to get the feds into the inside of LulzSec and Anonymous and help take down some of the members. The U.S. criminal justice system has used cooperation in return for light sentences for a long time, it is one of the reasons they were able to make such a dent in the Mafia.

PS: It's not the LULZsec that considers themselves "evil", because yes that would indicate a lack of Nihilism, but they don't identify as evil, we, the non Nihilists with values have dubbed them that. LULZsec does everything they do because they believe nothing matters and they just want to spend their life laughing.

So there is no contradiction because the Slashdot member you're rebutting isn't a nihilist and the people he's judging have absolutely no principals. It's probably even the reason the guy report

Same old fallacy probably uttered by the same type of gasbag that does not understand the real world one bit. Otherwise you would know that "nihilistic" in the strict sense cannot be applied to anybody. A bit of thinking (assuming the presence of actual effective intelligence, which might be a stretch for people like you) would have yielded the same result. Pathetic.

Why would they put someone in witness protection who has already testified. He is worthless to the feds at this point. He would have had to negotiate that when he had leverage. That costs money and resources.

He and some family members have already been relocated because there were direct threats early on in his cooperation. Not sure he was afforded full-blown witness protection (new identity, etc.) but I wouldn't be surprised.

People like Snowden are hunted down or targeted for assassination but serial baby killer mothers or women who mutilate or kill their husbands get free without time served because "court has been traumatic enough for them to serve as a punishment".