In light of yesterdays events ,I say we start a petition to ban the popular hobby item. Maybe the lack of immediate action is because only older kids were injured. I would like to point out that razor bladed instruments have killed way more innocents than any assault riffle or a 75,000 round magazine. 911..... Where are the cries of outrage and panic? Anyone...anyone at all?

This happened yesterday and since it wasnt a gun, no noise from anywhere. When the terrorists killed 3000 innocents with box cutters did anyone talk of banning them? What I dont get is why the hell the aclu doesnt get involved with the gun legislation. If nothing else it would be a hell of a fundraiser for them. The whole thing pisses me off, not because I want a gun or high capacity mag,rather centering the discussion on these items is distracting the effort to do something that WILL make a difference.

waldo

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/sheriff-student-arrested-in-texas-community-college-stabbing-attack-at-least-14-wounded/2013/04/09/dc1feeb8-a177-11e2-bd52-614156372695_story.htmlThis link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.

What's even more baffling is how this idiot managed to stab and slash 14 people in a school with 18k students. You mean to tell me that each person was alone when stabbed? No witnesses? No jocks to put the smack down on this asshat after the first victim?

I'm On Fire wrote:What's even more baffling is how this idiot managed to stab and slash 14 people in a school with 18k students. You mean to tell me that each person was alone when stabbed? No witnesses? No jocks to put the smack down on this asshat after the first victim?

Furthermore, if they do defend themselves they get suspended! Then, after years of bullying and watching violent video games that trivialize life and death, The kid figures "Ill just get a gun and kill everyone that ever pissed me off". Oh heavens we mustn't let the kids fight it out ,that's barbaric !

waldo lemieux wrote:Furthermore, if they do defend themselves they get suspended! Then, after years of bullying and watching violent video games that trivialize life and death, The kid figures "Ill just get a gun and kill everyone that ever pissed me off". Oh heavens we mustn't let the kids fight it out ,that's barbaric !

Oh C'mon. I got bullied growing up, played violent video games (hell, still do) and I haven't killed anyone. Oh yeah, that's right...I fought back and eventually became meaner than my bullies and ended up bullying them.

I'm On Fire wrote:What's even more baffling is how this idiot managed to stab and slash 14 people in a school with 18k students. You mean to tell me that each person was alone when stabbed? No witnesses? No jocks to put the smack down on this asshat after the first victim?

Kids today are taught to not defend themselves.

MOST kids. Some are.

Furthermore, if they do defend themselves they get suspended! Then, after years of bullying and watching violent video games that trivialize life and death, The kid figures "Ill just get a gun and kill everyone that ever pissed me off". Oh heavens we mustn't let the kids fight it out ,that's barbaric !

If any of my kids get suspended for breaking some punk's nose I will deal with it. My kids are taught that no one puts hands on them. Words mean *censored*, if someone places their mits on you, react violently and swiftly. Nothing stops a bully more then getting their ass handed to them in front of everyone.

I'm On Fire wrote:What's even more baffling is how this idiot managed to stab and slash 14 people in a school with 18k students. You mean to tell me that each person was alone when stabbed? No witnesses? No jocks to put the smack down on this asshat after the first victim?

Kids today are taught to not defend themselves.

MOST kids. Some are.

Furthermore, if they do defend themselves they get suspended! Then, after years of bullying and watching violent video games that trivialize life and death, The kid figures "Ill just get a gun and kill everyone that ever pissed me off". Oh heavens we mustn't let the kids fight it out ,that's barbaric !

If any of my kids get suspended for breaking some punk's nose I will deal with it. My kids are taught that no one puts hands on them. Words mean *censored*, if someone places their mits on you, react violently and swiftly. Nothing stops a bully more then getting their ass handed to them in front of everyone.

Any relation to the tornado by chance? Anyhoo, I couldnt agree more about fighting back. It was always my experience that if you fought back ,it didnt matter if you got whooped the punks didnt want to chance it a second time. Unfortunately if you do that more than twice your child (here in the great state of NY) will be expelled period. Then you gotta home school or find some private school. What do you do if you gotta work and still cant afford private? I feel the answer lies in an eye for an eye and maybe a school patrol made up of some good kids (like the guardian angles ) that keep the pukes in line. Or, maybe a cyber patrol like on facebook. The patrol would " out" the problem kids and create a united front for the rest. All I know is that the policies of the last 30 yrs where teachers cant use corporal punishment and you get expelled for defending yourself couldnt have failed in any bigger way. And the blame rests squarely with the milk-toast types that run our governments.

Any relation to the tornado by chance? Anyhoo, I couldnt agree more about fighting back. It was always my experience that if you fought back ,it didnt matter if you got whooped the punks didnt want to chance it a second time. Unfortunately if you do that more than twice your child (here in the great state of NY) will be expelled period. Then you gotta home school or find some private school. What do you do if you gotta work and still cant afford private? I feel the answer lies in an eye for an eye and maybe a school patrol made up of some good kids (like the guardian angles ) that keep the pukes in line. Or, maybe a cyber patrol like on facebook. The patrol would " out" the problem kids and create a united front for the rest. All I know is that the policies of the last 30 yrs where teachers cant use corporal punishment and you get expelled for defending yourself couldnt have failed in any bigger way. And the blame rests squarely with the milk-toast types that run our governments.

Waldo

If my daughter has to defend herself more than once the school is not doing their job. I still will not tell her she is not allowed to defend herself.

During the 9 years in the career I have been in, I have seen and learned much about human behavior. We are typically wired one of 2 ways, and all the training in the world wont necessarily change the wiring. We can alter it a bit, but we cant change it.

Wiring #1- you freeze at the moment of impact.

Wiring #2- you react at the moment of impact.

That is the reason so many people sat on airplanes and allowed punks armed with box cutters over take them and fly them directly into buildings. That is the reason hundreds of students stood by and watched in horror as some hoodlum ran amuck through the crowd, stabbing and slashing people. It is the reason people get murdered in broad daylight, or beaten and robbed, and passerby's just keep passing by. It is the reason some will stand and watch a coworker get T'd off on by an inmate.

The classic deer in the headlights, oh SH*T, feeling.

We can train ourselves to react a certain way, but until that day comes and you have to react and the sh*t gets real real quick, we just don't know. All we can do is hope and pray that we respond correctly.

It is my belief that sheltering your children from the violence that is alive and well in the free world only leads to more and more sheep who do not react. More and more passerby's who just keep passing by.

Let me ask you, if you were out with your family and witnessed an assault, a stabbing, a shooting, what would you do? Would you get away from the danger and call the police? Would you intervene? Would you pull your gun and exercise your rights to protect yourself and others from serious injury or death? This sort of thing keeps me up at night. They say good surgeons lay awake at night thinking of the worst case scenario and what they would do. I lay awake at night and think of worst case scenarios and plan out exactly how I would handle them. Of course, things don't always go as planned. But being unprepared is just as bad as being unarmed. Would you take the shot if your wife was being held at knife point? Would you sacrifice yourself to save your own? Are you confident enough in your abilities to handle a knife attack if, for some DUMB reason, you are unarmed? What if you are grabbed from behind in a headlock, your air leaving your lungs, your head getting fuzzy? What if some thing pulls a gun on you and your family and demands your wallet and car keys? What if some thug attempts to car jack you with your kids strapped in their car seats behind you?

How do you respond?

Do you practice with moving targets? Do you practice quick draws and fire? Do you practice shooting from the hip? Laying down? On your side? After running up a steep hill? Behind cover? Do you practice with knives? Do you have a good fighting coach? Have you learned to use your hands?

Off topic but important stuff. I am paranoid. But I am also prepared. I wouldnt stand by and allow someone to stab those around me. It isn't in my nature to be a victim. Never has been. Win or lose, I have always been a fighter. It is in my soul.

Going back to the bully topic, another important thing work and experience has shown me is those who are talking, don't want trouble. They are talking for 2 reasons. The first is to hopefully back you down. Barking backs people down. The second is they are trying to build up enough courage to actually put their hands on you. I don't worry too much about either. Bark until you have a sore throat, all that tells me is you are far more afraid then I am. The ones who just strike and don't talk are the ones who mean business. I have come across both kinds and the second type is far tougher to deal with. It is like a rattle snake. All that rattling is just for show, it is meant to back you down because they really don't want to bite you. The coral snake on the other hand, well it just nails your ass. Most of the fights I have found myself in have happened because the person barking built up enough confidence to shove me. Then I responded to the shove with a jab-cross-hook combination taught to me many years by my own father and perfected by a co-worker of mine who is a boxing coach. Speed kills. I was once at a bar with my co-worker, discussing motorcycles and how wrecking them is always a weird line between real and a movie and in the middle of the conversation he tells me to hold on a second. I nod, swig my beer, and turn around to see a young man about 22 laying flat on his back in the bar. Apparently he knew my co-worker from a previous encounter and he was eye-f*cking him from across the bar. I had no idea, I was busy drinking. Well, the young buck stormed across the bar room floor after some liquid courage and my boxing co-worker stood up and laid him out in less then 3 seconds. Never saw anything like it before or since. Then we went back to drinking and all he said was, "most people don't know how to fight".

That is how to handle a bully.

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I never researched it but I believe there are a bunch of states that can still use corporal punishment, my guess is most choose not to in order to avoid some greedy lawyer taking them to court even if the lawyer knows they can't win, that's when they get their money up front. I see way too many lawyers that all need something to do as one of the countries biggest problems.

I know most of this is sarcastic and in good fun, but as gun owners and defenders of the second amendment this one should concern us. Yes, he has mental issues, which is the core of today's problems with "gun control". It's not the gun at fault, it's society's inability to identify and deal with mentally unstable citizens. If the media were to jump on this story I expect we'd here something like, "Nobody was killed, thank goodness he didn't have a gun or it could have been a lot worse." In essence this is true, and I wouldn't fault them for saying it, but again, the problem is not the weapon, it's our inability to deal with the obviously unstable person. When will we learn?