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How to be a victim…

As a black person, if someone kills you, you better had been a perfect student, or been nice to all your co-workers, and been obedient in every way possible, you had better not fought for your life, or stolen anything, or had children out of wedlock, or been on welfare, or been a gang member, or drug dealer. You had better not been wearing a hoodie, or Nikes, or baggy pants. If you can, please put on a suit before you get killed. You had better not have braids, if you plan on getting killed. You had better not had gotten into a fight recently. Because having had done those things means that you were worth shit. That you deserved to die. Please try to keep that in mind.

& If you plan on getting raped, you better be white. & if you can’t manage that. You better ask your rapist to be stranger, someone who you weren’t in a relationship with, or out on a date with, or someone who you had sex with before. And you better not be a sex worker. Because sex workers cant be raped. Just so you know. You better be wearing long black clothes, be married, and be from a wealthy family. Make sure you are a virgin too. It would help also, if you were light skinned. if you had long hair. if you were thin. Dark skin marks you as a ho. As hypersexual. As undeserving of protection, autonomy, and bodily protection. Your rape doesn’t count. It would be good if you would keep this in mind.

& if your boyfriend beats you up. And you’re a black woman. You better have a reputation as a nice, quiet, docile woman. Because surely no one will care, if you talk back to your man, or if you stand up for yourself, or if you’re seen as a loud mouth ghetto bitch. if you plan on being in a violent relationship, make sure you’re educated and that you come from a two parent household. & make sure that this is the first time he’s ever hit you. You can’t forgive him & expect people to care when it happens again. This is a fact.

in short, if you want people to care about you or your life… you better NOT be black. or you better not act black. or you better not look black. you should be able to manage at least one of these. The thing is, when you’re a black person you never get the luxury of being innocent, of being a victim. You are already guilty. Your skin colors says so.

In America a Black Person has to be a ‘perfect victim in order to get attention, the reason the NAACP used Rosa Parks was her character could not be assailed by whites. Even though she was the treasuer of her local NAACP branch, there were other girls who were assaulted prior to Parks taking her seat but ehry could use because one was a teen mother and the other fought the cops back.

This is the Racial hierarchy that has always existed when it came to Black Victims. You better be perfect as Jesus Christ or White Americans will curcify your behind. Just ask Emmett Till, Oscar Grant, Trayvon Martin or Eleanor Gumpers. These people were victims of racial violence but their character was impunged by the White media and most White People. Time and again defending their deaths by using racial statistics “cut and pasted” and cherrypicked from the DOJ to defend their postions. Or listening to Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute the grand dame of scientitic racism and crime amongst conservatives.

Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris slaughtred 23 innocent souls for no reason and the White Media made all sorts excuses for their behavior and many whites blamed Marilyn Manson, KFDM but not their upper-class two parent families who did not pay attention to these psychopaths or the fact that the Police had reported these guys were bullying their classmates months before the act occured. Almost 20 years later we still don’t study White Males shooting their classmates because they are indidivduals and not tied to the whole group. That’s why I have contempt from most White Americans because their rhetoric does not match their action.

This post angers me because it speaks truthfully about how our society views black people. Black have been dehumanized to the point where that our pain is irrelevant. The whole Trayvon Martin case proved how messed up the world is. The media slandered this young man and tried to find reasons why Zimmerman was justified in murdering another black person. It’s disgusting and I feel somewhat helpless because it’s nearly impossible to change deeply imbedded racist pathologies.

I give Hop Hop Cheerleader props for making this post. This goes right along with my Black Adversity in America list. Well done.

Still, even though it is true, and I’ve known that to be true for a long time, it’s still nonetheless sad and depressing knowing that that is the kind of world we live in.

It all comes down to skin color and sexual organs to be considered worthy of human dignity and respect. No genetic or biological flaws. No cultural setbacks. No lack of accountability or responsibility (on the part of the victims). It all comes down to skin color. Period.

Abagond, leave it to my old a** to not be paying full attention (Thanx for shakin’ me there brothawolf)! Hip Hop Cheerleader – please accept my deepest apologies, – and I love, love the post, along with that picture!…

Unfortunately, that’s the world we live in, some people see and treat others as if they’re not worthy of being a human simply because they are different from them; life is already hard, raw and sometimes unjust for everyone and these people have taken it as a mission, or better still a special assignment to make other people’s lives hell on earth.

The funny thing about it, is that sometimes their lives turn out to be the hell on earth but sadly enough, not always; I wish it were always like that, just like the saying:” in this life you reap what you sow”.

When I think about this post, I remember Rihanna and Chris Brown and how everyone thought that SHE provoked him. I remember Mike Tyson and Desiree Washington and how America scolded HER for not knowing better. I remember the tale of Tina and Ike Turner and how everyone just looked the other way. After all, it’s just a black woman getting beaten and raped.

Then I remember Chandra Levy, JonBenet Ramsey, Elizabeth Smart and too many others to count.
And I ask myself, what separates these women from the first list?
All were victims, right?
None deserved to die, get abused or tortured, right?

Wrong.

In America, blacks are ALWAYS asking for it.
That was the excuse for the Middle Passage, the excuse for segegration, the excuse for lynchings, the excuse for the sick law enforcement practices, the excuse for racism in the workplace, the excuse for white racist trolls who come here to antagonize us.

This post is deep. So true and so sad. I know it’s a small example but when fans of the Hunger Games found out that Rue was a little black girl, they were happy to see her killed off.

What does that say about America’s moral character?
The sad part is many don’t see that sickness in it.

I have yet to see this movie, but I have read the comments said about the character Rue on Twitter. It’s horrible what these morons say about Rue.
What does a person’s race/color have to do with being vaIued as a human being? Absolutely nothing.

Apparently, only blond, blue-eyed life is valued. And it must be under the age of 40 if you’re a woman. After that, you’re all washed up.
This proves true in real life also as unattractive women are even less valued.

Apparently, only blond, blue-eyed life is valued. And it must be under the age of 40 if you’re a woman. After that, you’re all washed up.
This proves true in real life also as unattractive women are even less valued.

Why do most white people think they have to be the center of the universe? That their opinions/beliefs matter more than anyone else’s. They’re not immortal gods. They live. They bleed. They die. Newsflash: Not everything revolves around you.

Just out of curiosity I did a search on “white people are superior” and got this result:

Asians: (Intelligent but weak)
Blacks: (Fit but unintelligent)
Hispanics: (More intelligent than blacks, less intelligent than asians. More physically able than asians, less physically able than blacks.)
WHITES: (Intelligent AND Strong!!!)We came into being in the harsh climates of Europe/Russia in the Ice Age. This unique environment required both STRENGTH and INTELLIGENCE. In that environment, an intelligent but weak man would die. The same can be said for a strong yet unintelligent man. White man had to be strong in order to deal with the harsh weather and large/aggressive fauna. At the same time, we had to be intelligent in order to track our prey through the mountainous/heavily forested terrain. We’re no longer in the Ice Ages now, so lets look at examples of our superiority in the modern world.

Sports: Though we excel at most sports, the best illustration comes from American Football. Though blacks are more common on NFL teams, notice that the percentage of whites rises in the quarterback position. This is because playing QB not only requires one to be physically able, but it also requires quick decision making. Only white men can truly provide this combination. Think back a moment to some of the great quarterbacks of NFL history:

– Terry Bradshaw (White)
– John Elway (White)…

The Arts: This needs very little explanation. The vast majority of history’s great painters, poets, authors, playwrights, musicians, sculptors, architects, etc.. were white.

Philosophy: Again, the best are mostly white.

Language: Listen to a song in Old Norse, Gaelic, German, or any other European language and notice how much better they sound when compared to African or Asian languages.

Science: The vast majority of significant inventions, theories, and technologies were created by white people.

Civilization: Compare the standard of living and human rights in countries with a white majority (US and European countries) with those of non-white majority countries.

The lists could go on and on, but I hope that I have provided a brief glimpse into our inherent superiority. I encourage all whites to delve further into this. Study our history and culture and see the beauty that we have brought to the world over the millennia.

I posted the link to show that I did not make this up..Caution vomit inducing ego trips are in there. I realize after reading a few posts (I couldn’t bring myself to read all of them) that there is a lot of delusions with those folks. They avoid other ethnic group achievements by focusing merely on eurocentric POVs. They make assuptions without credible evidence to back it. i believe in may be a fear of being a dieing breed…So to feel better about themselves they talk down about everyone else..it is childish.

Well, clearly Derrion Albert’s crime was he chose to go to school, study, and make something of himself i.e he “acted white”. So he got a 2 X 4 in the head. His killers were on the right path i.e brawling in the street, hanging on the corner, drinking 40s, and having children they didn’t take of. And of course, in eulogies for Albert you’d have thought that 2 X 4 somehow hit him in the head all by itself. Can’t mention there was someone on the end of that 2 X 4. Gotta protect the thugs at all costs.

Out of curiosity, recently i have been reading so many loathful things on that website like:
“anti-white advertising” it can be found in http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t649698/
I suggest you check it out, i must admit it also made me laugh apart from that it also made me realize how insicure and overanxious Whites can be.

I posted the link to show that I did not make this up..Caution vomit inducing ego trips are in there. I realize after reading a few posts (I couldn’t bring myself to read all of them) that there is a lot of delusions with those folks. They avoid other ethnic group achievements by focusing merely on eurocentric POVs. They make assuptions without credible evidence to back it. i believe in may be a fear of being a dieing breed…So to feel better about themselves they talk down about everyone else..it is childish.

I read up to page two and I tried to go even further, but I couldn’t handle the nonsense anymore. They’re really laughable. These racists are patting themselves on the back for the accomplishments of individual ancestors as if they had anything to do with it. lol! They remind me of rich, spoiled kids riding on their parents’ coattails. Racists whites are scared witless to be usurped, they’re willing to hold on to anything to showcase their so-called innate superiority. Their sheer arrogance will lead to their downfall. No doubt about that.

Amazing that you picked that article as an example.
Tell me, Jay, why did you choose a career in corrections?
Something I learned about most whites is that no matter how atrocious your crimes, how unempathetic your mentality, how willfully ignorant you choose to be, no one in America will ever measure up to White Victimhood.

Video is at the bottom. Maybe it is a problem with America’s youth and how we freely showcase violence in our society? The young man who was viciously beaten did nothing wrong, he was probably targeted for reason’s I’m not sure but he is a FOB (fresh off the boat) and seemed unaware of why they were going after him. You know no one supports violence. We really need to stop the “who does what worse” game and start working towards a solution that doesn’t involve condemning people.

Well, clearly Derrion Albert’s crime was he chose to go to school, study, and make something of himself i.e he “acted white”. So he got a 2 X 4 in the head. His killers were on the right path i.e brawling in the street, hanging on the corner, drinking 40s, and having children they didn’t take of. And of course, in eulogies for Albert you’d have thought that 2 X 4 somehow hit him in the head all by itself. Can’t mention there was someone on the end of that 2 X 4. Gotta protect the thugs at all costs.

So, Albert was the exception to the rule, one of a few according to you, an expert on black people?

I visited the site. All of those stories were tragic. The insane reasoning of those older women judging those children for being violated by men was disgusting. Street harassment is no better. Getting such disgusting comments from men is so degrading..This victim blaming non-sense is just deplorable.

I was on another site and this guy said that the “African- Amerian community must do more about black-on black murders before they would take a Trayvon Martin or Oscar Grant seriously. Like a race of people/community can stop the most personal of crimes, (murder) Considering that murder is a personal act asking 40 million people to more than they already done ( anti- crime,outreach, mentoring, gang prevention etc..) is nothing but the tradional race victim refelction that many White Americans have practiced and demand of other groups ( BUT WON’T DO THMESELVES) since the 19th century debate on race has gone on in this country.

Fans of the Hunger games were not happy nor surprised to see Rue killed off. It’s part of the story, and it was obvious that she was black, and was a very sympathetic character. She is the motivation as Katniss’ surrogate sister for much of what Katniss does. Rue in my opinion is the high point of the first book because Katniss for once acts for the welfare of another instead of being nearly completely selfish.

On the other hand, those who never read the book might be both clueless enough and racist enough to be surprised/happy that Rue was killed. These people are not what I would call fans though.

Not to derail but these are the same die hard fans who protested to Thandie Newton being Tom Cruise’s love interest in Mission Impossible. He had to fight his own studio to allow her to be his lover.

Apparently, the only character whites want blacks to portray are:
1. Maids
2. Drug dealers
3. Call girls
4. Welfare single moms
5. Prisoners
6. Any victim because we deserve to die off in the FIRST act
7. The asexual best friend who is of course, ugly and dark
8. The ghetto, urban black who’s dialect is so hyperbolic it’s funny

This thread is so raw in it’s honesty that it takes my breath away.
I read somewhere that an actress said that black actresses in Hollywood typically don’t get casted in Horror/Thriller/Suspense films because you root for the damsel to get away. If the damsel is black, you root for her to be killed. An example of this?

Scream 2 with Jada Pinkett-Smith. Her character was so overdone, so loud, so obnoxious, when Ghostface killed her, you were almost thankful! But all the white actresses were “innocent doe-eyed” and soft spoken.

And how about the mob murders in Philly back in 80’s and 90’s? Couple of innocents caught in between, few elderly folks in there too? In Atlantic City? How about the Pagans MC? Pennsylvania Warlocks MC? The Breed? Their victims? Any comments on those?

White Supremacy dictates that only White people are human. As such they are the only creatures on earth, also dogs, that deserve the benefit of the doubt. This is just one of the many benefits bestowed upon Whites by the doctrine of White Supremacy.

This is why it is important to be vigilant when fighting against White Supremacy, no matter where it lurks, in education, in health care, in the justice system and in the media.

Many non-White people think that by being apart of the system they can make a difference. Like for instance a Black person who thinks if they become a police officer they can make a difference. They don’t realize that one person trying to stand up against White Supremacy is like a mosquito trying to fly through a tornado.

We can’t change White Supremacy. We can only destroy it. That is the only answer. But we have to stop assimilating and buying into that system. This is the hard part. Each time we do buy into the system we make it stronger. When we trust the justice system to give us justice, when we trust the public educational system to educate us and our children, when we dial 911 expecting help, we are just perpetuating the system.

All of that is so hard not to do. The only way that we can truly destroy White Supremacy is through revolution. There’s no other way. Talking will not work, asking will not work, only revolution.

And since that doesn’t seem to be eminent I’m not sure what we can do to change the way things are.

Just look at how the old communist regimes in the eastern Europe collapsed. Few years before that it was given that the mighty USSR was a monolith and behemoth that could not be shaken nor moved. It collapsed in barely two weeks.

How on earth that did take place? People did not believe in it anymore. They just stopped, quit, and what the powerful and mighty men could do? Nothing. They tried everything from tanks to television, but it was all over.

Same thing can happen to racism. We just have to remember that racism is relatively new idea, ideology, just like any other. It is a belief system. Nothing more. It is man made and this can be un done and will be un done. One day it will be gone, just like any other old ideology which became obsolete.

Sure, there will always be die hards, fanatics and freaks who will hold that ideology in their hearts, but one day in the future the whole race system will be looked like we look at the nazism today: something weird, crazy, dangerous, murderous, unbelievable and gone.

This system of white supremacy is on it’s way to being terminated.
That’s why all the paranoia and evil is being brought to the surface once again. Whites can feel it. They won’t ever admit it, but their blood boils whenever they see us take one more step towards equality. Why do you think the Trayvon Martin case is so important to them?

Like OJ Simpson, it will be a reminder that they can’t always have it both ways. I heard a woman say that if only Trayvon had done what he was told, this wouldn’t had happened. Would she tell Caylee Anthony that? Jon Benet Ramsey? Or how about Sharon Tate? Did she have it coming?
The feeble mentality of whites is slowly being exposed and brick by brick, it will fall apart.

Although I’m not Black, it reminded me of a recent event that was not so nice. I got stalked and sexually assaulted. I told someone whom I thought cared for me (I admit I didn’t plan to, but it just came out). Big mistake. No emotional reaction whatsoever. First thing she did was question my clothing, what I was doing, what I said, how I acted… I had to defend myself as if it was all my fault, then she talked down to me like I was upset over nothing. I can only imagine how horrible it must be to always be assumed to be in the wrong and to deserve punishment because of your race.

@ Those who mentioned The Hunger Games

I read about all those nasty reactions to Rue. Just goes to show that people who say racism is over are wrong. Racism is not going to die away with old people who are a `product of their times’. The people spewing the racism this time are teenagers!

“The only way that we can truly destroy White Supremacy is through revolution. There’s no other way. Talking will not work, asking will not work, only revolution.”

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Dear Pal Val,

I wonder what catalyst will get the revolution started – if one does occur?
And if it does, will history look back with regret at the countless wasted opportunities whiteness was given to avert disaster and bloodshed??

White priviledge is “Mental Conditioning.” That’s all it is. I disagree with Abagond and Hip-Hop Cheerleader on this fundamental point, as it relates to the value of life issue. Do whites actually assign a higher value to their own lives, or, is it just a smokescreen? There are a lot of contradictions in white culture. Whitewomen support the concept of women killing their babies…Contradiction! The vast majority of serial killers are whitemen, and the largest victimized group of women are white females…Contradiction! Whitewomen from Russia and other eastern european nations are trafficked as sex slaves on a global scale by whitemen…Contradiction! The “Idiot Box” is a liar black people.

“And no, like most supremacist societies, whites won’t see it coming or admit fault. They can’t. Their whiteness depends on it.”

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I guess that depends on which way things goes and who is writing that history. If/when that long awaited new day comes, hopefully it won’t be whiteness recording the noteworthy events through its heavily biased WRF.

I’m just happy you realized that it was not your fault. it is so unfortunate that you had to go through something like that. Patriarchial societies place a heavier worth on men then women. It is sickening. But you never know who your true friends are until you need them the most. That woman was not your friend and hopefully you are surrounded by people who do love you and care about you deeply. I’m fortunate that I have never been raped. Rape threats when I was 16 and 19 but I got out of those situations quickly. Just keep being stroong nad having faith in yourself.

Just saw this article on the ‘Washington Times’, posted on Twitter by Roland Martin. “The Rise of the Black Klan”. The writer is predicting Black American supremacy and an upcoming holocaust. The comments are ridiculous.

It could be ideolgical revolution too, just like in eastern Europe. Just like that. People just get enough and quit. And I believe it is already on its way. That is what we are seeing.

Demography is chancing, more and more people no longer give a damn what is your skin color, religion etc. That is why all there old stiff ideologies react so violently: extremist islamists are trying to turn islam back, racists across the world are running scared and trying to rally for the last stand, trying to see something heroic in their ideological dinosaur, big time capitalists are stealing like there is no tomorrow and there won’t be etc.

The tide has turned. Look at bliff, destructure, doug, randy… They are all lost, confused, clueless. They try to hang on in their old lost world, a world that never was. They quote “science” from 1911 or from their fantasies, pull the blanket over their heads or cry alone at night. They feel it coming. They know it is already going on. Their fantasy of the white world is gone, what is left is trembling rusted stage set, image and last violent spasms, like early morning rain, passing thunder just before dawn. And it is always darkest just before the dawn.

That is what I belive. Why? Look at this blog. Look at us all here. We make the difference. All of us. Perhaps we won’t see the day, but maybe our kids do. Maybe they live in a world where they no longer place any value on the color of the skin, looks, hair, where they all look at each other as just humanbeings. It can happen and we all are creating that world. Piece by piece. Brick by brick. Second by second. Minute by minute. Hour by hour. it is our time that is ticking their time out and they feel it.

Racists are dying breed. Like the dinosaur they will pass and just like those beasts of old, racists can not understand what is happening to the world. They no longer recognize it, know it. They don’t understand why. That is why they rage, are hostile, are violent. They are desperate, they have nothing else left. They are scared. They are finished.

Conservatives like Kutchner have been stoking the racial tribalism fires for 40 years and they are now surprised that all that race- baiting (to get votes and political power) has created another force of “HATE” lolol. The so-called “New Black Panthers ( all 20 of them) don’t have the power,juice, or balls to start any type of race war. They are doing the same thing Conseratives have done the past 40 years and that is use the media organs to race- bait and ‘dick grabbing” to scare the other side.

The CIA and FBI will crush both the White Racialists and Black Separtists groups if that day ever came down. No government enitity would allow what Kutchner’s talking about. He’s “dick grabbing” in his article too. An dfrom the comments scetion blaming everything from Rev. Wright to Obama is just election year politics, mix Trayvon Martin this is a perfect storm for White racial alarmists.

Whe I see Black People doing military training in parks across the country I might believe Kutchner’s racial paranoia.

“Revolution” isn’t spontaneous. The examples of the Soviet Union ignore that the U.S. was very, very active against the USSR. The U.S. had internally and externally sabotaged the USSR. The USSR didn’t just collapse and it wasn’t just a change of belief. The U.S. defeated the USSR.

If one wanted to ‘defeat racism,’ so to speak, then one should borrow from the U.S.’ playbook and actively fight it.

However, ‘racism’ or better ‘tribalism’ is ancient amongst European people.

This is a truth not often propagated. Hence my repetition.

But one can not defeat ‘racism.’ One can only separate from European people.

Prior to the Jewish Holocaust, the Germans genocided and experimented on the Herero and Nama people of Namibia.

This is between 1904 and 1908, but even in America, where there are more African people than Jewish people, we won’t even learn of this in primary or secondary school; though most African people read a snippet of Anne Frank’s diary.

To wit, it was only last year that the skulls of those experimented on, from over a century ago, were returned to Africa.

“Racism” isn’t “Nazism lite.” The whole lot is “Tribalism” on the part of European people against other people. Though ‘racism’ is more fundamental than ‘nazism.’

USA did not make USSR collapse. The people of USSR did. They just quit. That is a historical fact. I know. I live right next door and watched how our closest neighbours the brave estonians just told Moscow to get out. They just did it. Just like that. I did not see any americans over there at all. But I saw grey haired estonian grannies flipping the finger to the tanks and soviet special forces.

“The U.S. defeated the USSR.”

No it did not. The people of USSR defeated the USSR. USA had nothing to do with it. Well, actually US presidents and governments did all they could to stop USSR from collapsing because they were scared to death that there will be a dreadful civil war were nuclear weapons will be used and russian terrorists attack USA with nuclear bombs. And look what happened? Yeah. The russians did not attack, it was your former allies, the guys your government trained and financed.

“If one wanted to ‘defeat racism,’ so to speak, then one should borrow from the U.S.’ playbook and actively fight it.”

Really? Name one war USA has won since 1945. I don’t think that playbook works at all. Notice: for some reason I do not think conquering your own ally Panama or attacking on a small sandwhich island of Grenada are wars at all.

The Cold War was a global conflict. It’s end was partly global. That’s where the U.S. came in.

It’s been a long time since University for me. If memory serves, by the collapse, the soldiers of the USSR weren’t paid for a few months. This then reasons the collapse and the U.S.’ role. The USSR had a global revenue stream that the U.S. sabotaged.

As to whether you have seen Americans, research “Radio Free Europe.” It really should be beneath you to minimize the U.S.’ role in the collapse of the USSR. But frankly, this here is the height of my interest in this discussion.

Civillians DO NOT get killed in organized crime hits. None of the wars you mention—the internal power struggles in the Philadelphia Family in the 1980s, the shootout between the Sicilian Mafia and the LCN in the 1990s, or the turf war between the Hell’s Angels and the Pagans up into the 2000s—ever killed civillians. Anyone who got killed was in That Life and knew what they were getting into. Italians, Sicilians, and Bikers do not shoot into family homes where innocent people live. They don’t have shootouts in the middle of the day so old ladies and toddlers get shot in the crossfire. They do not roam Center City and South Street assaulting passers-by. They don’t beat up old men in Olney or on 11th and Snyder for fun. They don’t beat the Chinese guy to death because his wife overcharged them a quarter. They don’t get in an uproar over a Temple student shooting back at a mugger and demand that white people be banned from the neighborhood. They don’t shoot into houses owned by white people in Point Breeze or leave dead dogs on the doorstep of the Jewish guy rehabbing abandoned housing. They don’t rape and strangle hookers and leave their corpses on the pavement of Kensington Avenue.

Well, according to the numerous rats in Philly mob they did kill innocents too and they did shoot people in broad day light in the middle of the street like Michael Ciancaglini, or in a restaurant full of customers like in the Meletis Restaurant, where totally innocent and outsider Janette Curro was shot straight into head and killed. She was not the first and not the last either.

And according to the numerous rats like Jimmy DeGregrio etc. in Pagans MC they have beaten up numerous people who just happened to be at the same bar as they, they have killed people who have had nothing to do with motorcycle clubs, and famously, in late 1970’s they killed a young woman in Florida when she did not do what seh was told to do and threw her body to the alligators, this according to the rats.

But perhaps all those rats are just liars. Perhaps.

I have never claimed that all serial killers are white. Just the majority.

As you stated, racism will always exist in some form on this planet. None of us are mind-readers, we don’t really know the true beliefs of a person. Whatever bias is in someone’s head, we can’t decode it so to speak. A lot of black people have wasted a lot of time trying to make whites and others like them for whatever reason. We need to realize that unhappy people are naturally miserable. I can’t please everybody, and i don’t try to. I don’t care about being liked, i want to be respected…Bottomline! I eat, drink, sleep blackness, therefore, i don’t care what others think about me, our race, etc.

You went back almost 40 years for some of your incidents, I went back at the most two. The last time anybody got wacked in Philly was 2010, and before that not since 2003. When was the last time you heard of a mob war? Those days are over. And if you know the Philly mob, you know the name “Curro” and how that fits in. The Pagan/Hell’sAngels war ended years ago. Right now in Philly we’re closing in on 100 murders this year, almost all of them Black victims by Black perps. What you’re trying to say is “BECAUSE some Italians and some outlaw bikers killed each other in the past, that justifies Black-on-insert whatever ethnic group here now and into the indefinite future.” And you’re wrong.

“Racists are dying breed. Like the dinosaur they will pass and just like those beasts of old, racists can not understand what is happening to the world. They no longer recognize it, know it. They don’t understand why. That is why they rage, are hostile, are violent. They are desperate, they have nothing else left. They are scared. They are finished.”

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Sam

I’d like nothing more than this to be true. I agree with you that they are indeed raging and whatnot. But historical and present experience suggests otherwise racism isn’t dying -yet. Whiteness’ doctrines are still passed down and absorbed by each subsequent white generation since slavery. The racial divide is still as wide as its ever been. Randy and his unofficial Klan allies/supporters here, represents more or less most of America.

I’m just not seeing enough evidence – that is large numbers of racists abandoning the “superiority” blinders that hinders them and corrodes their souls. A few have, but then there has always been a few. A really tiny few.

The *tipping point,* numerically speaking, seems too far away. Perhaps in 40 years or so when whites become the minority group in the US their collective thinking might change – though I would not bet on that.

Why is it that the past doesn’t matter to you unless it illustrates a point you want to make to justify your racism? Furthermore, why shouldn’t white-on-white violence be a big deal to you, a white person, but black-on-black and black-on-white are? Plus, what is this big hang up you have on black people being the most violent race ever in the history of history? Lastly, and most importantly, why should your opinion matter above anyone else’s who disagrees with you with excellent points?

My point was that the white community in Philly does have a past which was not that shining of we talk about criminality.

As for the bikers, I was not talking about HA/Pagans conflict. I was talkin about Pagans members who have since then skipped over and become rats and who have given statements to the authorities and also on tv about the activities of their club. According to them, there has been violence against outsiders in many cases in this century too. Now, I am not a member of that club, nor I am a member of HA, so my examples come from the mouths of those who have been inside and talked publicly.

As for the name Curro, well, you have a point there. But was she at that time a criminal or committing a crime or a member of a crime group? No. She was sitting on that table and got a bullet in her head.

And where did I say that black crime is ok? Where have I ever said that black criminals are better, or black victims are less, or that black on black crime is less or black on white crime is less, or anything of that nature?

All criminality is crime, regardless of the color of the skin. I do not care what color the criminal is. A murderer is a murderer regardless.

You really belive that black people like black criminals, that they some how enjoy black gangsters and drug dealers in their neighborhoods? I have not met a single black person, out side some gangbangers and older pros, who think it is ok.

If majority of homicides are occurring in the black neighborhoods in Philly, perhaps the city should take a good look on the Why on whole new level instead of ranting and raving about Killa N****s and how blacks are so prone to criminality. I bet not every black philadeplphian is committing crimes all the time, right? Then why it is that those murders occur in their neighborhoods? Could it be because some wider, social issues? Could it be that there is something wrong in the city?

Yes, demography does its work too, but I honestly believe that we do it too. What you are doing and saying is important for the future generations. We may not see that day, but it is coming. No doubt. And it can happen fast when the time is up. I think that is the reason of the racist backlash we are seeing. Racists can feel it too. They know that the game is up. They know that they lost. If only by sheer numbers.

If majority of homicides are occurring in the black neighborhoods in Philly, perhaps the city should take a good look on the Why on whole new level instead of ranting and raving about Killa N****s and how blacks are so prone to criminality.

Did Jay say something about Killa N*gg*rs if so I haven’t seen it?

By the way the mayor of Philadelphia, Michael A. Nutter who is Black, recently said the following:

“In a combative speech on Sunday at Mount Carmel Baptist Church in Philadelphia, Mayor Nutter said that young black men have to stop acting like “sperm donors” and “human ATMs.” He admonished parents for failing to supervise and expect good behavior from their children. And he directly implicated habits and styles of some young black men in the city.

“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied and your pants half-down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you?” Nutter told the congregation “They don’t hire you ’cause you look like you’re crazy. You have damaged your own race.”

“I am a proud black man in this country,” Nutter said in a subsequent interview with the Associated Press. “It was a message that needed to be said. It needed to be said at this time . . . People have had enough of this nonsense, black and white.”

“”As I’ve stated before, I believe some young blacks act out in public because they know how frightening black people appear to some whites and it gives them a sense of power. That’s not an excuse for the behavior, but it’s a very real component.

“It’s always embarrassing for law-abiding African-Americans with good children when this stuff happens. I know because I hear from them in the same numbers I hear from white readers who want to blame every black family for raising criminal offspring.”

“Frankly, the latter group can get pretty tiring.”

I am guessing that even the most racist of Whites on this blog would admit that the large majority of American Black people are not violent.. but that said.. from too many personal experiences and those of friends, relatives, etc..and yep… statistics from many sources to see if I was just facing an anomaly… the risk of violence (or anyone) to me in a poor Black community is generally markedly higher than in a poor White community. And oh.. by the way, I also stayed in Harlem in 1989 during the “crack war era” as you describe it for a month and nothing happened to me and the people I encountered there were generally pleasant. But for my 50 plus years of living in the US, I have encountered violence from Black people much more often than from Whites. As I noted in an earlier post, I also now avoid young White males when they are drunk since they can be absolute douches. It’s a matter of weighing risk.

Why are we arguing about crime rates in a post about seeing black people as victims? The whole, “Well black people have to deserve bad things happening to them, we all know how blacks really are and we should bring all their dirt to the surface at all opportunity to evaluate whether or not one of them should be treated like a victim” is getting tiring, and it’s been the constant debate. The logic is ridiculous. No one took Natalie Holloway, looked at her and said, “Gee well porn says white women are promiscuous, and she DID go out of the country and party! Just look at those pictures! If only white people would take responsibility for those loose white women, then maybe we’d feel sympathy for her or her mother! Maybe her mother would have a right to want justice if she didn’t show manipulative pictures of her! Let’s hack her facebook to see if she was really a slut!” It just makes no sense.

I see no reason to justify why a black woman can be raped and be put on trial, or a young black man can be shot and have his character assassinated. People of color should not have to be put through a trial to be a victim, a victim is a victim. Why are only white people allowed to feel victimized without having to jump through hoops to prove why they deserve sympathy? Justice is not some special privilege that is reserved for white people, last time I checked. At least not after it became bad to treat it that way.

If I am attacked, am I going to have to expect white people everywhere to be given the right to judge my life like a jury? Will I be expected to have my life picked apart and every negative little thing used to justify whether or not I deserve justice for that attack?

Also:

I personally take offense to people using the circumstances of poor people to fulfill a racist agenda. My father actually grew up very poor.

I also highly doubt that blacks act out in public because it might scare some white people. White people are not the center or the universe, nor are they the most important thing in black people’s lives. I get tired of people attempting to justify racist behavior by trying to portray blacks as manipulators. It’s getting old.

I sort of am, but I”m also speaking generally. I was really only referencing your post in passing, but it gave me an in to express my feelings on the “black victim-hood” subject. There seems to be this idea that black people have to be nice and happy at all times or risk being seen in a purely negative light, which just isn’t fair. If my friend can walk outside and be looked down on because some white person saw a black person who had a bad day and acted out, that’s wrong.

I was also referring to a post which said that poor black neighborhoods were more violent or dangerous than poor white neighborhoods. I hate that train of logic because it uses a circumstance that many can’t escape from (at least not easily) and uses it to justify another circumstance (being black and discriminated against). If someone does that, they’re using one group of disenfranchised people to attack another and it’s not fair to either of them. It always bothers me when people who don’t grow up in black poor neighborhoods use them as a faceless boogeyman to justify their own racist opinion. It seems like just another way to use people you’d never openly visit or get to know to supplement your opinion.

Also, thank you for the links. In regards to Natalie Holloway, was there a mainstream media wide attempt to see her as purely at fault? Did people rush to the defense of her killer by claiming she wore the wrong clothes? Did people call her mother manipulative for openly grieving and displaying a positive image of her daughter? And finally, did people think they had the right to invade her personal life and hack into her accounts in order to find dirt on her to justify why her killer should be free? Did 90% of people support doing all of those things?

On black women being attacked and blamed, I am referring to the tactic of character assassination that seems to be carried out whenever there is a black victim of a crime (or a black death in general). It’s not just black women, but women of color in general who get that treatment. There’s a distinct lack of respect or empathy shown. People feel that they’re somehow entitled to judge the worth of that woman before she can be allowed the justice or sympathy she deserves, and that’s wrong. If I can reference a recent case of a woman of color having her skin color (or country of origin) used against her: The Dominic Strauss Kahn scandal would be one. There was more of an attempt to act xenophobic towards the victim than actually put her attacker behind bars, because he was white and influential, and she was a woman of color and a foreigner. There was an attempt to slander her, bring up her past as an alleged prostitute, bring up her immigration status, anything to paint her as less of a victim. People were calling for her deportation when he’d raped an employed woman on US soil.

And there you go, black americans do not generally support, protect, be proud or anything else of black criminals. Because black americans are mainly victims of the black crime, they know what it is. What is wrong usually is that racists portray, just like in this blog they have done repeatedly, blacks as monolithic group more prone to violent crime than white americans and also claim that black communities support and protect their criminals because all blacks are prone to crime, which is racist BS. Not one black writer here in this blog has said anything like that and yet, these racists make their claims again and again.

Jay did not use that term but implied that violent crime in Philadelphia is due the blacks. To which I just wanted to bring up some examples that white criminals have also had their share of such. I also think that the reason for most of the so called black crime are because some very serious social problems in the american society as a whole, not just because of the skin color.

I think it’s a red herring. I’m mainly speaking in general. To be able to truly take a racist view of someone, you have to be prepared to project your own behavior onto them so that you seem less culpable. If it appears that a majority of white people support anti-black violence or propaganda (or the right to incite that), they would then need to show a black population who overwhelmingly supports criminals and has an equivalent, hence the fixation on Al Sharpton or the Black Panthers (you always see racists complaining about those, as if they’re existence somehow cancels out any potential black victimization). Therefore, in a discussion on black victims and how they are viewed and treated, the response is to attempt to derail the victimization. They do this by cherry picking facts that support an image of a violent black monolith who are inherently less sympathetic and therefore not good victims.

For example:

Crime statistics have nothing to do with why certain people are “victims” and others are always at fault. If it were just about black crime, then there’d have been no racism prior to a certain time period. This treatment has been going on for a long time, far before black people had any sort of power to affect their own situation, and it neglects to acknowledge the fact that white violent criminals have existed for a very long time (and no one has ever tried to argue that white people can’t be innocent victims of violence due to that), they didn’t suddenly become black. To bring up black crime allows people to have a way to justify their own racism, which then allows them to question the legitimacy of a “black victim” without being seen as the “bad guy”. After all, if you are a part of a race who supposedly glorifies violence or criminal behavior, your are inherently less trustworthy and therefore you aren’t really a victim.

The reason why this post went in the direction of blacks committing more crime and not black victimhood is for a simple reason:
Blacks cannot be victims.

As Hip-hop Cheerleader pointed out, dark skin marks you as automatically guilty. I love reading the racist white comments on this particular thread. They almost singlehandedly highlight what she is talking about.

And yes Ace, once again it’s proven that whites THINK they are all that matters.
How predictable.

Your exactly right! I still don’t get why a crime statistic has anything to do with why a young black girl can’t be a sympathetic victim, I think it’s such a backwards, weird way of thinking. I’d never think it was okay to question whether a missing girl is a victim because there were a lot of white girls on Girls Gone Wild.

Organizing can only become a reality when each of us as individual black people are no longer mental slaves. Yes, as a collective, we can protest, march, and annoy the system. However, that only gets us so far in the process. A Million Minds…One Goal…Salvation. As black people, we don’t need self-appointed leaders to do what needs to be done. Just Do It! I’m confident in our race, we will win…No Doubt

I feel where you’re coming from brotha. Groupthink is applicable at certain times, but, i’m not a GT type of person by nature. I’m self-motivated as it relates to staying two steps ahead of “The Beast.” I’ve always been a live and let live person, so, it’s hard to step out of that shell, just saying. I speak my peace with other sistas and brothas on this blog and other blogs, family, friends, associates, coworkers, etc. That’s how i get down with mine. Being front and center is not for everybody, playing the background is beneficial as well. Stealth is the word that best describes my style of activism so to speak. The quiet brotha in the cut observing the madness, that’s Tyrone in a nutshell. That being said, i’ll definitely take your words to heart my brotha.

In regards to Natalie Holloway, was there a mainstream media wide attempt to see her as purely at fault? Did people rush to the defense of her killer by claiming she wore the wrong clothes?

No.. because for years it was a missing person case not a murder case.

Inherently to prove self defense case one has to demonstrate the deceased was the aggressor. And with rape cases the accused basically has two options “It wasn’t me..” Mistaken identity.. which case if correct the accuser’s memory would be wrong.. or the sex was consensual, then the defendant would have to prove that the accuser was lying or delusional.

Neither situation applied to Natalee Hollaway.. there were suspects but the murderer was not truly known until years later. And as far as I know she wasn’t raped.. the more important issue was that she was murdered.. and her killing wasn’t claimed by anyone to be in self defense.

Crime statistics have nothing to do with why certain people are “victims” and others are always at fault.

Crime statistics.. affirm what I have experienced and hence I have learned I should avoid.. and that would include young White guys who have been drinking… I do my best to avoid being a victim statistic.

And there you go, black americans do not generally support, protect, be proud or anything else of black criminals.

Yes.. that is the case in my experience.. not for all Black people but generally a large majority.

I was also referring to a post which said that poor black neighborhoods were more violent or dangerous than poor white neighborhoods.

Well they have been for me.. that of course does not mean everyone in such neighborhood’s or even the majority are criminals. Most aren’t. But it’s a matter of weighing risk… we can delve into the social issues that cause the violence but the reality for me is that I have no interest in experiencing the violence, period. Zero tolerance. If you walked through a redneck neighborhood and got called n*gg*r and were threatened or attacked (And the police never caught your attackers.. ) would you continue to walk through redneck neighborhoods..?

I am referring to the tactic of character assassination that seems to be carried out whenever there is a black victim of a crime

Over 95% of the Black people killed in this country are killed by other Black people.. you fell that the media engages in character assassination in these events…?

The Dominic Strauss Kahn scandal would be one.

Well DSK had to put $6 millions to be released on bail. Compare that to the Kobe Bryant case where Kobe had to put up $25,000. Both case involve women accusing wealthy famous men of rape whereas the men stated the sex was consensual. In the Kobe case the accuser was White and in the DSK case the accuser was Black. The accuser in the Kobe had her name revealed publicly and also had photos of her partying plastered across the internet and in a few tabloids. Both cases collapsed because of inconsistencies in the accuser’s stories.

There’s actually a fairly close inverse situation to the Trayvon Martin case or at least how it played out in the media (albeit it had basically zero national coverage..):

I’m a victim!!!!
I’m white, and got banned from a thread about racist experiences. Oddly, it looks like more whites than me got banned – we are not allowed to be victimes of racism, because we are the wrong color:

Quote:
“If any of the following commenters try to comment on this thread they will be instantly banned from the entire blog:

— How VERY interesting. You can read all my posts & see I said nothing racist whatsoever, but rather tried to introduce reason, truth & integrity in my comments. I realized that some of the above (maybe all??) seemed to be white, too, although I cannot vouch for any of their comments – only my own.

Now, if this blog wants to not simply be a racist hate blog or a blog of hateful victims trying to only bash whiteys, then why not allow non-confrontational whites to post about racist experiences? You see, isolation leads to blindness. I’ve seen it with blacks AND whites (and women). If people get together among their own & start playing “poor me” & “evil them” records, it devolves into hate & bigotry. Sorry, that’s just the facts.

Not permitting any other view…is what the politics of it is all about, IMO, and why non-Democrat blacks are so ostricized for not going with the flow of mass black opinion, despite the fact that social convictions of many black christians are much more in line with non-liberal politics, IMO. If you avoind discussion & ignore the fact that many blacks are often racist every bit as much as whites, for whatever reason, then the outcome will be self-defeating, unless blacks really have no true desire to end racism. This, however, is the problem: if racism is a two-way street, it places some reasponsibility on each party & hating cannot be easily justified. Sure, to some it may “feel good” to hate & vent against whites, but it only causes harm to both whites & blacks in matters of race relations, I would think. As for me, I know that not all of any race are bigots,….but some do not.

On the “victim” idea, again,….what if G. Zimmerman had been black?
Would blacks have then decided they’d want all the facts & evidence in, first, before deciding he’s guilty? Hmmm. Interesting to see it from that angle, right? – Just sayin’.

I know blacks have suffered things, so I won’t argue that; but, to argue FOR bigotry
…only if you can have it (& not others)…is wrong — as in “w-r-o-n-g”,…as in BAD: “B-A-D”. Fair is fair, just is just, right is right, & wrong is wrong. Simple.

A blog owner may moderate as he or she pleases. While I might have disagreements with Abagond’s editorial positions, I do appreciate and am grateful that the forum he provides is fair and conducive to debate. Creating a thread for the discussion of specific experiences (which happen to exclude some commenters) does not diminish my esteem for this work.

1. Spew racial hatred gleefully but when anyone corrects you, cry that your First Amendment right has been taken away.

2. Visit black blogs, frequently, and complain that the blog has no White Point of View, which is unfair since whites are purposefully being ostracized.

3. Say vile things about black women; be sure to describe body odor, hair texture, dialect, intimate details in which she ” underperforms” and when someone points out that you’re being racist, claim that’s impossible…you had a black girlfriend, so you can’t possibly be racist.

4. Fear and envy the sinewy, dark flesh of the Black Man. Emulate his walk, talk, dress, prowess in areas that you fall short but be sure to remind him that he is an inferior being. When he challenges you, however diplomatically, claim a bodily threat and call the police at once. For the Black Man lives and breathes to cause violence. When prompted by the police what started this, claim innocence with your wide blue eyes and soft spoken voice. This will assure his arrest.

5. While at work, “befriend” a black co-worker. Cozy up to her. Buy her coffee (she likes cream and sugar), compliment how smart she is, how dedicated to her work. Ask her to share her ideas on the Smith Proposal, you know, the multi-million dollar account which will get you that nice car, and remember to smile at her…blacks feel better when you give a plastic grin.
When her guard is down, steal it.
All of it.
Present it to Mr. Man as your idea and get that nice BMW.
When she confronts you, crying and injured, feign innocence then file a complaint against her with Human Resources. After all, it’s not your fault she’s not fast enough on her feet.

6. While in the neighbourhood, if you see a Black Man, your nemesis, adding a second story, painting his house, planting flowers…anything to beautify his home and you only have that “starter ranch” be sure to document every loud noise, every permit, real or fake then call the building inspector/ township leader to file a complaint. If he has a vegetable garden then the Dep. of Agriculture is the way to go. When he asks you why you have done this, remind him how lucky he is to be in the neighbourhood in the first place. Then tell him you feel threatened by his “confrontation” and insinuate that you know the local Sherriff.

7. Watch BET, which is owned by Mr. Redstone, and grow angry that Whites aren’t being fairly represented. Write a letter, an angry one explaining this and tell all your friends how racist Blacks are for having their “own network” .

8. Gloss over every detail in white history that shows your race to be the most wicked, evil, hateful, demonic force that ever lived with facts about black on black violence. Be sure to add that you were beaten up by a random Black Man at age 10.

9. Dismiss any claims that Blacks are experiencing racism.
After all, you didn’t see it so it must not have happened.

10. After carefully reading this list, claim my insanity, racism, buffoonery, ignorance. After all, I am black. What do I know? Then post a responce to Abagond about how you hate communication with Blacks because we refuse to accept our inferiority. Then come back tomorrow and start all over again.

““befriend” a black co-worker” Few whites steal anything off of black co-workers. It would be the other way around, as the general case.

“While in the neighbourhood, if you see a Black Man, your nemesis” Wow! The only person I know pushing this is you.

“Watch BET…grow angry that Whites aren’t being fairly represented” I doubt there are ANY whites doing this. We watch BET occasionally, we don’t about it that much.

“Gloss over every detail in white history that shows your race to be the most wicked, evil, hateful, demonic force that ever lived ” There are many ways for people to inhumane to each other. Race is just ONE of those ways; the only way to want to accept in your closed racist mind. White wars may have higher death counts ironically only because of our technology. Besides that, whites have no monopoly on hating others.

“Dismiss any claims that Blacks are experiencing racism” Don’t whine over things that happened a long time ago, and take responsibility for your own racism, Miss Kettle.

On the “victim” idea, again,….what if G. Zimmerman had been black?
Would blacks have then decided they’d want all the facts & evidence in, first, before deciding he’s guilty? Hmmm. Interesting to see it from that angle, right? – Just sayin’.

Sunshine, if GZ was Black, he’d have been arrested the moment the cops arrived, like most Black people who kill other Black people. And we’d shake our heads at his foolishness and condemn the bastard.

Do you realize that whites do this intentionally?
They derail and make it about them.
This has nothing to do with Zimmerman, Doug pretty much has this covered.
It’s an analysis of hip-hop Cheerleader’s perception.

If You Avoind Discussion & Ignore The Fact That Many Blacks Are Often Racist Every Bit As Much As Whites, For Whatever Reason, Then The Outcome Will Be Self-defeating, Unless Blacks Really Have No True Desire To End Racism

Nope, blacks can’t be racist. So called black racism is a response to white racism. In fact many blacks give whites too much of the benefit of the doubt until some epiphany occurs or they figure out covert racism eventually. Your verbiage marks you as a racist. It has been iterated time and again that this blog isn’t for whites, nor is it a ‘kumbaya’ tome. The only way you are a victim here is because you are suffering from delusions.

Well, considering that this site is, effectively, a canvass on which we vent our frustrations, their derailing is extremely rude. It also hurts their agenda more than it helps them since it only confirms what we’ve always suspected.

As for myself, I’m done venting. Our next revolution doesn’t need their consent or cooperation, so talking to them is a waste of time whether they’re liberal or conservative. We only need to endeavor becoming an economic powerhouse together as a community. Green trumps Black and White both, so their feelings do not stress or concern me. Their racism effects us because they control education and employment which are fundamental to our survival (it’s no surprise that the racism we encounter is at school and work). The solution is to simply control our own education and employment. Aside from violence, property damage (which the Civil Rights covers), or that supposed Race War, there is nothing they can do to stop us.

You and the rest of the posters listed were banned from that particular thread because it’s about…hold it now…drumroll please…blacks/POCs’ first experience with white racism. How does that include you presuming you’re white?

You find it rude only because you and the other Abagondites would like to just commiserate among yourselves with your self-deceiving lies about race relations. We hurt YOUR agenda, because we expose your anti-white racism and your closemindedness.

We only need to endeavor becoming an economic powerhouse together as a community.

Good, finally, you agree with me. Get off your whining, complaining black rear and DO something. Nothing will change whites’ impression about blacks than achievement. Get your lazy ass bros’ to marry their Baby Mamas, too. That will help immensely; not only our opinion of you, but your own family stability.

Our next revolution doesn’t need their consent or cooperation Sorry, you WILL need our cooperation. Blacks have done NOTHING in American history without substantial white support, including freedom from slavery and the Civil Right Movement. Without us, it won’t happen. Remember, the best end game you can possibly imagine in USA is to live with whites. You will NEVER dominate.

clowns amuses me.

You talk a real wimpy game, D. The only impotence is on the dark side. Your statement is a real hoot. Only on a black site like this would anyone ever take your comment even remotely serious.

Your rude, and cruel. How much of that was required to make any point you wanted to make? That was so immature.

And by the way, whites had little to no part of the Civil Rights movement (unless you count the ones waiting with clubs, dogs and fire hoses), and the few who did deserve better than you using them for your own racist agenda. And by the way… slavery doesn’t count because you cant’ take credit for ending something you insisted on having for hundreds of years.

You know nothing about black family stability, and you expose nothing. If you cant’ even have a basic discussion without showing your entitled racist tendencies, then maybe you shouldn’t be posting here.

Funny. It was my apathy toward White opinions that lead me to my conclusion. I couldn’t care less for your impressions, or. . .

Sorry, you WILL need our cooperation. Blacks have done NOTHING in American history without substantial white support, including freedom from slavery and the Civil Right Movement. Without us, it won’t happen.

. . . your cooperation. You’ve been of great help in the past *snort*, but I’m afraid White Liberals would rather we don’t have economic power (where would they get their free votes?), and White Conservatives would rather sit it out (like always). If we could build Tulsa in the midsts of Jim Crow, we now have more than enough wealth to blow White America a kiss farewell.

All that is lacking is an administrative body with premium succession standards to allocate our resources efficiently. For that purpose, we do not need your help. We’d be better off without your help, actually. You’d only sabotage us. As some of us learned in the Civil Rights Era, we’d only have as much power as you allow us to have. There’s no freedom in that.

Remember, the best end game you can possibly imagine in USA is to live with whites. You will NEVER dominate.
Oh, yes massa! I shoo wou’ luv tuh be back inside yo house massa! /sarcasm

I wouldn’t be too sure. If we succeed, we’d be insulated from America’s (inevitable and repeated) economic meltdowns. And when you meltdown, we can feast on America’s corpse and become the Rome to your Greece. We’re a young people. With all the accumulated history of past mistakes and failures, and technology with which we can scrap your medieval parliamentary system, we’d easily surpass you. But, I suppose we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Remember, the best end game we can imagine is sovereignty. An economically secure Black America, having forged an independent identity thanks to “advice” like your own, has no reason to remain loyal to your state. Step on our toes, and the Union would be split in two.

Only on a black site like this would anyone ever take your comment even remotely serious.

And it’s a good thing too. I don’t need you to take me seriously, because I am not interested in your cooperation. It’s in our best interest not to be taken seriously by anyone else, it lowers the chances of being undone.

“Nothing will change whites’ impression about blacks than achievement.”

That is not how most white people think. They hold up the worst blacks (pathological killers, rapists, bad fathers, layabouts, etc) as what blacks are truly like and see successful blacks as exceptional (Oprah, Obama), invisible (the black middle-class) or the creation of circumstance (affirmative action).

“That is not how most white people think. They hold up the worst blacks (pathological killers, rapists, bad fathers, layabouts, etc) as what blacks are truly like and see successful blacks as exceptional (Oprah, Obama), invisible (the black middle-class) or the creation of circumstance (affirmative action).”

Or they purposely destroy it (Tulsa, Rosewood, etc.)…or they demand some special cookie for it (aka the “You did well because we gave it to you, so why aren’t you crediting white people for *insert achievement*”)

Again, Bliff’s racism makes him blind and deaf to his own double speak:

First with

Get off your whining, complaining black rear and DO something.

and then,

Sorry, you WILL need our cooperation…Without us, it won’t happen.

Of course, the true irony is that most whites in America aren’t willing to do anything in either instance. I mean if they were truly interested in healing and moving beyond racism they’d 1) either get the fvck out of our way, or 2) shut the fvck up and be about it.

Of course, the true irony is that most whites in America aren’t willing to do anything in either instance. I mean if they were truly interested in healing and moving beyond racism they’d 1) either get the fvck out of our way, or 2) shut the fvck up and be about it.

Makes it all the more pointless fighting with them. They’ll never change, but like I said we do not need them in our next battle. Green trumps everything but Red. That’s why I only do this out of amusement.

This post is so true and sad. If you are a person of color, you must be “perfect” in order for people to glance in your direction if a crime is committed against you. If not and there is something that make you seem “bad” which is entirely objective (you cut school or you divorced your partner), white racist will try to justify the crime committed by bringing up stupid stories about your life to justify it, claiming “you asked for it.”

“Of course, the true irony is that most whites in America aren’t willing to do anything in either instance. I mean if they were truly interested in healing and moving beyond racism they’d 1) either get the fvck out of our way, or 2) shut the fvck up and be about it.”

Which is so interesting because they’re always absent when it matters or on the other side. To them, “healing racism” would mean getting rid of anyone who wasn’t a white person. Since we’re “intruding” on their lives enough to earn this bad treatment.

@ Lilianna,

They’ll even resort to making up stuff about your life in order to justify something bad happening to you! They won’t even check their facts. They’ll just grab a picture of the most dangerous looking guy they can find, use the same name, and then claim that’s you. You could have a clear criminal record, be a college graduate, or just want to hang out with your good friends and family, and they’ll generate a reason why you deserve to go through terrible situations. Your not even allowed to report a crime or publicly cry without them claiming your “lying” or trying to “cheat” someone.

….and someone called Bliff rude & cruel?!!?
Wow, lots more of that from POC’s here, it seems.
As for my posts, I’d say nobody can claim that about any of them, and to say I had a post that was moderated for a racist slur as being something against me & my views on race….is a total joke. Someone uses the f-word above, with no moderation – I guess because it was shrewdly mispelled. So, if in sarcasm or cynicism I used a term like “crachars” or “whytees” (but didn’t mispell it), that is oh so terrible. The fact it was used against me is proof of bigotry. Sorry, just is, considering all the bigotry here by POC,…and that…when I was simply trying to be helpful & honest.

You see, you hate me because I am proof that “all” whites are not the racists you claim us to be. In fact, stupid as i am, I actually thought someone here might like an honest dialogue, instead of only seeing such a limited view from within their bubble of hate, with their like-minded haters surrounding them. That’s the facts. If some POC suffered something, other POC want to make sure they have no chance to NOT hate whites. — It’s called USING YOU, when POC do that…for power, for self-aggrandizement, for a racist agenda, for inciting you, keeping you in line, brainwashing, & making themselves feel okay about their own racist hate & hate-mongering.

What’s really LMAO funny is that POC use the N- word alllll the time, but I get poked at for being white & using something less offensive…even to whites? LOL. If POC, here, simply want to have a place to hate in peace, alone, then why complain of whites being racist? Do as I say & not as I do, huh? Is that it? Whites don’t do enough for you, so we need to get out of the way or REALLY help? Just as a reminder,…I took my former employer to court…all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court…alone, without any lawyers,…DOING something, when among other things, I was run out of my job & career after I refused to do discrimination. Proof of it can be seen on a site called Supremely UNjust & another one called RainingDaylight.

Oh yeah, I’m living in a tent – have worn out THREE tents already….due to it all. The NAACP, ACLU, Obama, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpeton, Quanell-X
—- none of them would help in the least. Most would not reply at all. So, tell me again about how whites do nothing and how blacks don’t get any help. Just HOW good it could have been to HELP your cause if a WHITE man is standing up against discrimination & has proof of it, where nobody can say trash about it supposedly only being a disgruntled POC who didn’t get hired. Truth, right? Those orgs & people should have been jumping on the chance to get something done. There should have been protests in the street about it. Why? Because I have absolute proof – see the Supremely Unjust website & also the drop-menu showing emails & such. The Petition documents & drop-menu evidence shows my boss gave an ILLEGAL reason when I confronted her over it.

So, some of you wanna whine & call whites racist, but you put up with USERS who do nothing but hate-mongering & race-baiting & not real effort to make REAL, GOOD, change. You sit in your isolated, enclosed worlds of hate, probably knowing no whites at all in RL, staying within the black community, acting different just to be different, wearing baggy pants, three-four pair of underwear, earrings, a dewrag, have a funky “cool” walk, then go out in public just waiting for someone to stare…so you can claim everyone is a racist.
Riiiiiiiiight. NOT even funny. You don’t have to do eveything so different to be who you are or to claim self-respect. You hinder your own selves by so much seff-differentiation, isolation, & hatred. — not all of you, but the ones who don’t & who succeed…then get hated as if betraying their own race.

Well, sorry if I offended someone. I actually thought a dialogue with someone besides a racist might be helpful — you know, someone besides the relatively few racists who flame on to help make your own racist point of view.

They are making a movie about judicial corruption that has been going on all across America – some from every state. They are asking for info about legal cases, etc. to put it in the movie, going to make a big stink about it all, too.

@WilliamYou see, you hate me because I am proof that “all” whites are not the racists you claim us to be.

Silly. They don’t like you because you’re obnoxiously self-righteous (granted, so are they at times). For the record, I don’t like you because I’m a cynic and you’re a clueless idealist. I’m doing my best to transcend race; the “Black” identity is too closely intertwined with conflict with “White”, so I ended the battle against racism, and starting to focus on improving our livelihood with or without your aid.

If you aren’t a racist, then you need not be offended, although:

You sit in your isolated, enclosed worlds of hate, probably knowing no whites at all in RL, staying within the black community, acting different just to be different, wearing baggy pants, three-four pair of underwear, earrings, a dewrag, have a funky “cool” walk, then go out in public just waiting for someone to stare…so you can claim everyone is a racist.

That is a bit racist. . . . Not that it matters. You are one dude in a tent. Even if you were racist, you’re no threat to anyone beyond your immediate reach. My enemies are those with power.

The NAACP, ACLU, Obama, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpeton, Quanell-X. . .

Look partner, nothing short of the destruction of the American political and judicial structure will accomplish what you want. None the the above have the balls to do that. . . and Quarnell-X hates you on principle. He is not, and never was, a just person.

What’s really LMAO funny is that POC use the N- word alllll the time, but I get poked at for being white & using something less offensive…even to whites?

What’s LMAO funny is so few of us do. Only the rudest among us use that word without irony or context. I don’t, most people here don’t, and most disagree with the use of the word regardless of who says it. Another example of your cluelessness, I suppose you think we never rage against Black-on-Black crime too?

LOL. If POC, here, simply want to have a place to hate in peace, alone, then why complain of whites being racist?

Venting is important. I figured you’d understand, since your posts are split between venting and dictating 50-50.

“You see, you hate me because I am proof that “all” whites are not the racists you claim us to be.”

Except that you ARE racist. Fighting an anti-discrimination suit does not magically separate you from 400 years of American history and culture and cure you of racism. It is not that simple, unfortunately.

2. You apply stereotypes to blacks. Of the blacks I know very few if any wear do-rags, use the n-word, etc. Baggy pants are a teenage fashion among both blacks and whites. It is clear that you do not see black people AS people.

I am racist too. I have received the Standard Racist Brainwashing like everyone else in America and have only partly unlearned it. This blog is part of my unlearning. A huge part of the unlearning is seeing that white is not always right. That might come off as hatred against whites sometimes but that is not what is going on.

As for this blog being isolated from whites, that is a zillion miles from the truth. Just keeping that one thread free of whites has pretty much stopped me from writing other posts. I have had to ban three commenters in 24 hours – that is 70 times the ordinary rate. To do it properly I would have to quit working. So despite my best efforts, whites are already starting to screw up that thread. How utterly sad. So fuck off with this isolation from whites bullshit. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Abagond I love your silhouette banner. I will probably steal it and use it somewhere. Also, the profile picture for this article. However, this is not why I am replying.

Your articles are so true to life that I felt the need to compliment you on your unique point of view or perspective. Thank you.

One feels the things you articulated in this article without any clear or conscious understanding of how a victim is perceived or aggreived after an assualt or confrontation. smh. remarkable. Thanks, again.

It’s amazing how the white racist commenters on here cry about how they are victims of “black racism” here and yet, they keep coming for more. Something is not clicking up there.

The instant we disclose our experiences with white racism is the moment their white privilege, white entitlement, and white supremacy kicks in like a case of classical conditioning (Does Pavlov ring a bell?). That’s when you will hear the following responses:

1. You are racist against whites.
2. Black people commit the most crime in America.
3. Black-on-white crime is much more common than white-on-black which is rare.
4. Black people love crime, violence, and thuggery.
5. Black people are lazy.
6. Black people are dumber than whites.
7. White people are not, nor have they ever been responsible for the conditions blacks find themselves in. They created it themselves because of the reasons 4,5 and 6.
8. Slavery, apparently the only example of white racism in history, is not responsible for the state blacks are in today.
9. I am not racist.

They really have no idea. The most that we could do to them, 90% of the time, is hurt their feelings. They can arrest us disproportionally for victimless crimes, they can manipulate housing, they can ship us to failing schools and wonder why we drop out, they can refuse to hire us, they can refuse to give us loans, they can ignore the positive aspects of our people in the media and magnify the negative, they out number us 5:1, they own far more guns than we do.

They have all the power in this relationship, until we begin to seek power of our own. Is it any wonder Bliff had the audacity to remind me of “My Place”? This country is poisonous.

“They have all the power in this relationship, until we begin to seek power of our own. Is it any wonder Bliff had the audacity to remind me of “My Place”? This country is poisonous.”

And with power comes corruption, you know personally how whites act when they weld all the power ..so what makes you think having power of your own shields you from the same bull whites have fallen victim to?

ANYONE given enough power will use that to their advantage against others, not one damn race in this world can sit there and claim they’ve had power and used it responsibly.

It’s human nature, you can’t change what encoded in everyone of us.
Idiots from day in and day out for ages have gained and stolen power and welded it with an iron fist against those deemed not-worthy.

And with power comes corruption, you know personally how whites act when they weld all the power ..so what makes you think having power of your own shields you from the same bull whites have fallen victim to?

Absolutely nothing. However, it is through their institutions of education, housing, and finance that their prejudice is given power, so we have two choices: Talk Whites out of being prejudice, or create institutions of our own and end the power they have over us. The former leaves our lives in their hands, the other makes us our own arbiters.

ANYONE given enough power will use that to their advantage against others, not one damn race in this world can sit there and claim they’ve had power and used it responsibly.

If you think I would presume that Blacks are any more noble than Whites, you are dead wrong. All I want is a Black America in control of her destiny, whether we are a part of this country or not. Otherwise Bliff is correct, we couldn’t do anything without you.

It’s human nature, you can’t change what encoded in everyone of us.
Idiots from day in and day out for ages have gained and stolen power and welded it with an iron fist against those deemed not-worthy.

So, I should except White hegemony? Just wait for them to relinquish power on their own and come to their senses? As you said, I cannot change human nature, meaning one thing: you would have us be slaves, with nothing more to hope for than a more benevolent master. Slaves have no power, nor do they seek power, because a slave finds nobility in his own powerlessness. I am not a slave.

What I want is a world where all nations and all people have power in their own right. Unfortunately, that could take decades, require the collapse of the current World Order, and cost thousands of lives. History is written in blood, it’s a cruel truth but still a truth.

Hah, caught a bunch of you, including D, on your own stuff about the stereotyping using the word “you”. Right? You see, after hearing so many blanket accusations of whites “all” being racist & the term “you” thrown around so much, how interesting to see that you …don’t like it in reverse. Hmm, it’s racist if a white uses blanket accusations & stereotypes, but not if POC do. How hypocritical that seems.

Imagine, too, if someone posted something somewhere that said ONLY whites can make a post. Then, I wouldn’t be able to count the number of blacks claiming how racist it was, hahahaha.

Hmm, and WHAT “racial slurs”?? BTW, I do know what I’m talking about – maybe just from far different parts of the world or something, if you’ve never seen or heard the behaviors I alluded to. I have worked with lots of POC, hired lots of POC, trained & mentored them, worked for them, recuited on a black university campus. In fact, I have probably done more for blacks’ wellbeing than most posters here ever have. Then, it cost me everything,…and i was too white for any blacks to care. Jokes on me, lol. No wonder if there is so few willing to help make good things happen for the black community if that’s all it is like, as many will simply give up trying.

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“Except that you ARE racist. Fighting an anti-discrimination suit does not magically separate you from 400 years of American history and culture and cure you of racism. It is not that simple, unfortunately.”

LMAO. If I have a racist bone in my body, it is far less than any of you that I’ve seen posting here. As for 400 years, I’m not that old, so let me guess, it is the collective guilt thing again? Does that work both ways & make all POC collectively guilty of the crimes that any other POC committed? Heh,..no, both ways. BTW, various commenters are angry (& understandably so) over wrongs that have been done on POC by whites through hundreds of years, but why stop there…& here?

Sure, go to African history, too, and you will see that whites were not the first, the worst, or the last, to do anything wrong against blacks. So, I’m guessing that the racist thing to do is to hate whites as somehow “different” for doing the same or maybe actually far less harm to POC, overall & worldwide, if anyone wants to acknowledge the true facts. Likewise, muslims have done far worse than Christians in such matters, too.

BTW,…I here just playing a little reason into the hate scene, because I know it is not all one-sided.

@Yawn
So true, what you said.
It isn’t like the Chinese haven’t murdered their own & others in the past, and the white Europeans killed lots of whites in Europe & the world in the WWs. Japanese killed Chinese, whites, & others. Blacks – both Egyptians/Cushites and also further into Africa have historically killed lots of POC, and Egyptians killed & enslaved lots of people all around them, right? It is not considered a problem, to most commenters, because it isn’t what they want to be upset about. There seems to be a special desire to hate whites, rather.

Well, if POC really do not wish to live together with others and if intermarriage is only regarded as despicable “whitening” of the black race, as someone mentioned on this site, then what WOULD you like to do? What are some alternatives?

If you could form your own state/s, whether within the USA or without, what ideas would you consider? You have to consider things. If you don’t want to be part of all things, being miserable & hateful will only make everyone miserable. I could see that with the modern ideas about self-determination, that it COULD be possible to have a state of the union that is rather self-determined & run by, for, as….a black state. Why not? OR do you wish rather to go off somewhere else entirely? The 2nd would cost $$ for such a move & relocation. That elderly black lady who won many $milions recently could offer something and ask others to donate …or put it up on one of those fund-raising sites.

It all takes planning, thoughtfulness, etc., but that one fellow who said blacks didn’t do a lot of gains w/o whites helping in it was not far off the mark. It will all take $$$$$$, and political actions, including non-blacks, to make such plans work. The reason I mentioned a distinct state is that to make an entirely new nation, although feasible, would mean things like self-defense, police, military, transportation network, etc. — all very expensive. You would not want drug cartels taking advantage of disarray in the infancy of it all & ruining it, right? If it is too far, travel is a bigger expense, too, for anyone wanting to go there. I do know that French Guiana has a high black population, but not sure many people with to go that way – tropical diseases & such, but plenty of space & natural resources I think. Of course, that’s a part of France right now, so a slight problem there. It is all something that needs a lot of thought, and you are mistaken if there is teh notion that whites only want POC to never be happy. Maybe you can make a constructive thread on this matter for ideas, if POC feel there is too much “water under the bridge” & hate to want to simply be part of overall American society. There is a way to focus on the matter that can be constructuve & nice enough & could gain help without seeming hateful & radical. Hate & radicalism won’t bring as much of the $$$$ that would be needed possibly.

BTW, seen the news about that white woman (looks poor)…who found a $1million lottery ticket that was thrown away….and now been told to give the $$ to the woman who trashed it? It seems to be another case of the rich vs the poor. The haves vs the have nots. Just because blacks have been done wrong by some of the authorities doesn’t mean their color is what it’s all about all the time. It’s often the authorities just doing their crooked thing…as usual.

I only walk the path that I think is best for us, and I know that path may involve pain and suffering for Whites and Blacks both. And so be it. I’m not so convinced of my own righteousness, as you are, that it blinds me to the ugly truth.

Now, take your “NOT A RACIST” badge and run off. We’ve more important things to worry about than your feelings.

BTW, no one said “All Whites”. We’re not stupid, we know not all Whites are racist, but they are few and far in between.

Oh, I’ve seen lots of posts in this site where the term “all”, “they”, etc. are pretty much dished out as saying all whites are racists. As for my own righteousness, that is not a bad thing – to be righteous. Do you think it is? did I spoil the race-baiting here by not being one of “them”? Is my not being racist too uncomfortable…for a racist website bent on making POC hate & imagine all whites to be evil? Sure, I’ll probably go & lose interest trying to be reasonable with unreasonable haters, here. At least someone tried; but, hate didn’t get Hitler to his “1,000-year empire”, and hate won’t help POC so much, either — that is, if helping POC is anything CLOSE to what this website is all about. I’m so sorry: I didn’t really this site was meant to be another “Pied Piper” site that lures all the innocent ones to their own harm.

Sure, go to African history, too, and you will see that whites were not the first, the worst, or the last, to do anything wrong against blacks. . . Likewise, muslims have done far worse than Christians in such matters, too.

If you knew anything about African history, you insufferable pest, you’d know that the Muslims didn’t, because, guess what: Africans were/are Muslim! At least the ones north of the equator populating the Sahel. While Africans got a raw deal in Persia and Kuwait, in the Sahel Arabs and Africans held each other in mutual respect. The Whites went to learn from the Arabs in Cordoba, and the Arabs learned from the African in Timbucktu. It was Ezana, a Christian King of Ethiopia, that allowed the muslims to take refuge in his land. What did the Christian Kings of Europe do to muslims?

There was slavery, yes, but the brutality of chattel slavery was only done twice. Once in Kuwait and Persia, where we rebelled and sacked their capital, and again in the Americas.

PoC get background searches conducted by the media and a bunch of extremists on the Internet trying to prove their point why people of color deserve to be harassed and killed no matter how unjust it actually may be.

Plenty will make up rumors and start mindlessly presenting “facts” of other bias cases of black on black crime (which really isn’t the point). It’s just deflecting the actual topic that people are killed for their race/ethnicity alone.
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Next the person will cry “anti-racism” is “anti-white!” for their next to last resort , clearly showing they have no clue what the word racism means.

Racism: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to **rule others***.

Using “Science” to “prove” why a race is “superior” and runs the world “better” is still racism, some hide it under the curtain of “oh it’s just a scientific study , you can’t hate scientific studies right?”

As for my own righteousness, that is not a bad thing – to be righteous.

The keyword is “convinced”. Oh, and nice job with the obligatory Hitler reference.

Hate is not what drives me. I don’t revenge, Black hegemony, or White Genocide. I see the world for what it is: Wealthy Whites are at the top, everyone else is at the bottom. Generalized language is necessary in communicating that; some Whites have a raw deal, but even more Blacks have a rawer deal. This is true, you know it’s true, and it may require evil deeds to change that. With a heavy heart, I’m willing to do those deeds. I hope I don’t have to, but I would.

And what are willing to do, William? Are you willing to tear the very fabric of the world? If not, we’ve nothing more to say.

You said, “I have worked with lots of POC, hired lots of POC, trained & mentored them, worked for them, recuited on a black university campus. In fact, I have probably done more for blacks’ wellbeing than most posters here ever have. Then, it cost me everything,…and i was too white for any blacks to care. Jokes on me, lol. No wonder if there is so few willing to help make good things happen for the black community if that’s all it is like, as many will simply give up trying.”

So, what do you want, a medal or something?

You expected helping black people to not be a struggle? Then, you were not fully prepared to do the job in the first place. To help a marginalized group is not about making yourself look good, but about doing the right thing without expectations or recognition. This things are never easy. That’s why it’s a struggle.

You said, “Imagine, too, if someone posted something somewhere that said ONLY whites can make a post. Then, I wouldn’t be able to count the number of blacks claiming how racist it was, hahahaha.”

In case you’ve missed the memo, IT IS RACIST.

You may not realize it, but this society is geared to have the last word said by mostly white people on basically everything and anything. The post was made so that PoC like myself could have a say without whiteness poking in telling us how we should feel, think, and do. We’ve heard enough of that in our lifetimes. We need a break.

You said, “If I have a racist bone in my body, it is far less than any of you that I’ve seen posting here. As for 400 years, I’m not that old, so let me guess, it is the collective guilt thing again? Does that work both ways & make all POC collectively guilty of the crimes that any other POC committed? Heh,..no, both ways. BTW, various commenters are angry (& understandably so) over wrongs that have been done on POC by whites through hundreds of years, but why stop there…& here?”

Here’s the double standard trick white people always pull. They group PoC, mostly blacks, with crimes made by a few black criminals. To them, those criminals are representatives of the whole race. Therefore, black people are criminals. It’s that simple.

On the other hand white people want to be seen as a collective based on achievements and accomplishments in the past and present. Ergo, white people are superior human beings.

Now, here’s where the double standard is turned on its head:

Black accomplishments, inventions, achievements, or anything positive is either seen as extremely rare or they are somehow not as significant as white accomplishments. At the same time white crimes past or present is seen as an individualistic concern, is downplayed when compared to black crimes, excused based on racist myths or is ignored altogether. No matter what, most whites will disassociate themselves from the sins of other whites.

You see William, you can–as so many before you–claim how you’re not racist and that we’re the real racists, but white racism is a juggernaut. Black racism is a speed bump. We have more to worry about with white racism than you do with black racism. White racism is all around us, and instead of trying to distance yourself from this disease, you could learn more about it, yourself, and us instead of trying to put up a weak defense that is crumbling down.

I have posted about what I’m willing to do. I opposed racial discrimination all the way to the Supreme Court…without a lawyer, having no prior legal experience. See th ewebsite Supremely UNjust, and you’ll see proof of it & what it cost me – my total economic ruin. That’s why I get irked to hear terms like “all” whites as if it means absolutely nothing to any POC for any white person to do anything, anyway. BTW, I didn’t do all that to prove myself not racist, but because I hate wrong….and like righteousness. That’s just how I am – how a lot of whites are but get hated anyway, just because of the SOME bigmouthed racist whites that DO cause trouble. No need to hate your foes as well as your allies: the problem is big enough that it will benefit to have friends, even if some ARE white. Right?

Here’s something about what has happened in Sudan & why it split.
The black muslims were slaughtering, raping, mutilating, & enslaving black Christians. The first part is slow & only tells about whites who are helping them. You can skip that and see the rest if you like. It is controversial, but near the end, it shows whites spending thousands of $$ to buy slaves…in order to set them free from their slavers, which seem quite the “righteous” spectacle in their whites robes & nice headgear/turbans.

Another one here: it shows many who were enslaved & some personal testimonies from them (translated for them).

No medals, please. It was for free, to do what’s right is all. I think you don’t realize how many whites think that way though. Sure, there’s some b_tt-heads among us, as with any race.

You said,

“Black accomplishments, inventions, achievements, or anything positive is either seen as extremely rare or they are somehow not as significant as white accomplishments. At the same time white crimes past or present is seen as an individualistic concern, is downplayed when compared to black crimes, excused based on racist myths or is ignored altogether. No matter what, most whites will disassociate themselves from the sins of other whites.”

Any race that is the majority will probably play up the deeds of the majority race and not spend as much time on the various minorities’ deeds, unless bad. That is humanity in general, too. BTW, I know full well that there have been accomplishments by blacks – I’m not going to argue against that at all. I’m not someone else, so maybe my posts can be regarded as independent from other whites who said bad things just like POC want to not be viewed as the same as those POC of have committed bad crimes – not all have, of course.

As for disassociating from the “sins of other whites”, lol, that sounds like when POC wish to disassociate with the same regarding the wrongs done by POC, right? Why is is only one-way? My forebears left Europe as a persecuted minority & immigrated to the USA in the mid 1800s and didn’t believe in slavery. Is there a good reason why they are guilty for what was done by others, mostly before that time? They also were not part of the slaving nations of Europe. The issue is political, mindset, and $$$. The sad fact is that slavery happened …and muslims, No. African blacks, & profit-hungry rich whites….all decided to make convenient $$ off of it all. Now, we are faced with trying to undo the harms of a relative few, although they did also encite others to do harm, too, but it was far from “all” whites. If so, they would not have ended slavery & felt compelled enough to do more in civil rights & voting matters for POC.

Actually, that knowledge should not be hated but rather welcomed, as it means there ARE whites who are caring about the problems blacks face. I will probably go away soon, as there is only animosity against all whites here, so no use bothering to reason, it seems. Still, that hate seems illogical & counterproductive for anyone who truly cares about helping POC feel more accepted & at home in America.

— You mean after the end of 1,000 years of muslim imperialism?
Hey, if you’re a muslim, I still can acknowledge muslims as well as POC have all made important contributions to modern society. Not a problem, for me.
— Very interesting video, actually. (Still watching it.)

I will say that slavery itself doesn’t effect us as much today so much as the racialization of slavery did. Sentiments of African inferiority, paternalism, etc. which persist among some Whites (happy) to this day is the root cause of racism, both systemic and personal. So, what we are angry with is not slavery itself, brutal as it was, but the tropes borne by slavery.

The muslims would do better there these days if not for all their violence, not that I agree with their doctrine..
I do recall that during the Crusades, there was actually a very gracious muslim leader who allowed some to leave in peace when the muslims were advancing on Jerusalem way back then – at least on one occasion.

One doesn’t have to have family participating in slavery to be effected by these tropes. Likewise, one doesn’t have to have friends and family in the Middle East or lost in the World Trade Center to pick up the tropes of anti-arab or anti-islam thought. One simply has to live within the cultural and societal sphere.

That is why Abagond states that everyone is racist. Unless we consciously challenge and deconstruct the “common sense”, we will never break free of these tropes.

Most Black people break down these tropes out of necessity, otherwise we’d be convinced of our own inferiority and destroy ourselves. We have all, including myself, felt inferior to Whites at some point in our lives.

White people, generally, don’t. They don’t have to because it doesn’t hurt them the way it hurts us. So what winds up happening is Black people screaming at White people; it’s like trying to describe the sky to a blind person.

You said, “Any race that is the majority will probably play up the deeds of the majority race and not spend as much time on the various minorities’ deeds, unless bad. That is humanity in general, too. BTW, I know full well that there have been accomplishments by blacks – I’m not going to argue against that at all. I’m not someone else, so maybe my posts can be regarded as independent from other whites who said bad things just like POC want to not be viewed as the same as those POC of have committed bad crimes – not all have, of course.”

The first part is exactly the problem. White America is obsessed with black people and obsessed in their disdain for them no matter what they do. So, why can’t there be a tit for tat? Why can’t we flip the script especially in a society such as this?

I didn’t say that you were the type to downplay or ignore black accomplishments. I don’t know if you ever did in this blog, but you were tip-toeing down that avenue.

Of course PoC don’t want to be grouped as one whenever a crime is committed by a PoC of that group. We want to be seen as individuals, the privilege that whites have in this society. Sadly, that is not true. Speaking as a black man I will tell you that one is enough to criminalize the whole race. A few is enough to condemn them as long as they are within the crosshairs of the white gaze.

Moving on, you said “As for disassociating from the “sins of other whites”, lol, that sounds like when POC wish to disassociate with the same regarding the wrongs done by POC, right? Why is is only one-way? My forebears left Europe as a persecuted minority & immigrated to the USA in the mid 1800s and didn’t believe in slavery. Is there a good reason why they are guilty for what was done by others, mostly before that time? They also were not part of the slaving nations of Europe. The issue is political, mindset, and $$$. The sad fact is that slavery happened …and muslims, No. African blacks, & profit-hungry rich whites….all decided to make convenient $$ off of it all. Now, we are faced with trying to undo the harms of a relative few, although they did also encite others to do harm, too, but it was far from “all” whites. If so, they would not have ended slavery & felt compelled enough to do more in civil rights & voting matters for POC.”

Okay. Again, if you can separate yourselves from sins done my members of your group, why is the usual reaction from mostly white people is to bring up examples of black crime as if to prove the violent, savage nature of black people as a whole? White people have always tried to convince the public that black people are responsible for most of the crimes in this country, that most blacks are criminals, and that most crimes by blacks are against whites. Why can’t black people argue against that and tell have their say? Think about it.

Even if the white population born in recent years did not entirely have an ancestor who was a slave master, by and large white people in America benefit from it not just financially, but just by being born with white skin. That’s what it comes down to. White skin in this country is worth more than gold itself.

I do not dispute that there are whites who genuinely care. I know there are just like I know there are whites who are enlightened. They are the ones who have actually learned about blacks from the best possible sources, blacks themselves. So, why won’t you do the same by not speaking? What’s keeping you from hearing us out and listening to us? What’s keeping you from reading what we’ve wrote? Why not learn from people who don’t agree with you? (When I say you, I don’t mean ‘you’ in particular)

Why do you think there is animosity towards whites here? The pain and hurt we feel is ancient and uncured. White people by and large have yet to even give a heartfelt apology for their sins on PoC let alone have made a significant effort in correcting them without looking for something in return. There are some who are working. They know the reality of it all because they learned from the people themselves. They do not try to defend white honor. They do not try to excuse or ignore the past. They took it head on.

When people are poor, they canot afford so much education, which COULD lead some to think there were an intelligence inferiority, mistakenly. People are people, and when applying our minds, people learn.

A bro. of mine lever did well in books all during our childhood, but I did, and so did some others in the family. He was a very active “doer”, and when he got to H.S. & started taking shop classes, he got ribbons, trophies & medals all over his wall going to regionals & to state chamionships. Later,…in the Navy, he finally started doing better in books, but it stated mainly in what he could put his hands into. Some people are visual & hands-on and science indicates some learn better via hearing or seeing. Still, no $$ for education is a problem for so many.

Quality of education is an issue, too, as well as environment.
My former supervisor had told me to not discriminate against blacks. In part, I understood that she had seen some POC with attitudes from a particular school and some who were going to college that still seemed unprofessional or used poor grammar; but, that’s not how she said it, and discrimination was something I would not go along with at all. Some POC who had hired on, with some college already, spoke with maybe 7th grade English grammar – maybe worse, at times, and we needed people with professional communications skills who would be representing our NPO with parents, schools, & even some state officials at times. Slang speech is okay at home, but not in a professional position. Yet, without better grammar at home, it is hard to not learn bad grammar & hard to get out of the habit of it. I had things I had to get past in my own poor white, slang English environment, lol. It is sooo tough to get beyond hurdles like that. A lot more POC are going to college these days, so I expect that will drop off more & more & be less of an issue in the future. Also, there is a difference between both parents working to provide with little time to help kids with homework (maybe even single-parent)….and a home where one parent has a real nice job for all the income, while the other can afford to stay home, help kids with homework, etc. – more individual attention & help for school-kids there, which can make a big difference.

When people are poor, they canot afford so much education, which COULD lead some to think there were an intelligence inferiority, mistakenly. People are people, and when applying our minds, people learn.

Close, but no cigar. My family is well off (though it got rougher after the crash), and while I wouldn’t say my education was quality, I never doubted my personal intellect. It’s the unspoken “common sense” that states: “Your ancestors did nothing, wrote nothing, built nothing, and accomplished nothing”, because outside of the American context our history and literature is largely ignored. So even someone like myself who is arguably upper-middle class, still has racial baggage. To top it off, the media is saturated with Cooning fools; the only identity a Black person is granted. That’s just two examples, there are more so deep and subtle I cannot scratch them.

That small part …is the reason. You see, I was raised w/a strong sense of personal justice. I also used to get upset with one of my dad’s “solutions”. He’d say that if he spanked both my AND my younger brother, he’d make sure he got the right (deserving) one. Hah, I was well-behaved mostly, so my bro. would hold it over on me – that if he somehow got in trouble, I would get whipped, too. A lot of (white) people can understand personal accountability &.justice based on individual merit, so it bothers some of us if we do right and get lumped together & hated all the same, which is what you indicate is how it is with lots of blacks for a long time. Yeah, you can tit-for-tat, now, but I see a lot changing for the better in white minds regarding race, so why derail it?

In my old work, a lot hinged on “perception” – how people perceive you, even if you did nothing wrong. A kid hit another kid, teacher doesn’t see it. He hits back, the teacher turns around JUST IN TIME to see it. The perception?
– That the 2nd kid did something horrible. You might not notice it yet, but lots of whites’ thinking are changing more favorably towards POC, and now is not the time to be the “2nd kid” doing tit-for-tat, as that would look so bad & hinder “perceptions” about fairness of treatment in calling all whites “racist” just when their views are getting better about race. IMO, a site like this will tend to attract (a minority of) the “bad whites” who can’t shut up their racist hate & who have a real problem, themselves.

You wrote,
“…. why is the usual reaction from mostly white people is to bring up examples of black crime as if to prove the violent, savage nature of black people as a whole? White people have always tried to convince the public that black people are responsible for most of the crimes in this country, that most blacks are criminals, and that most crimes by blacks are against whites. Why can’t black people argue against that and tell have their say? Think about it.”

I think people are individually accountable, but you might recognize that there are whites who flame on when they see something that sounds racist against whites & will start spewing trash-talk.

— “What’s keeping you from hearing us out and listening to us? What’s keeping you from reading what we’ve wrote?

I do….., and yet I also see the hurt as a potential problem if it turns only into reverse racism, which understandably could be hard to control with some of the (apparently white) posters I’ve seen on here. Still, it will only add fuel to a fire that builds hurt for people on both sides of the issue. I therefore find it hard to see it happening & not try to avert the negatives. One young POC who worked for me had big problems for awhile & a “chip on her shoulder” to boot. I worked hard to develop understanding between us. At one point, a tough situation, I asked her to see teh situation from my (employer’s) point of view, and then she understood what I was looking at. We actually learned to depend on each other and she invited me to her wedding we became so close. For things to work out, we have to see each others’ point of view. It affects us all & our families & all our futures. I can understand the point of view of black hurt, somewhat. I also had become homeless for a long while, years ago, for not doing illegal stuff at another job. I know what it’s like to hear people click their electric door-locks at intersections, as if I was a criminal, just because I was homeless. I know about hassles from cops, being shot at, threatened, etc….like a dog with no place to go…and nothing I could do without it being worse. Still,…while I’m always learning,…I also hope to help…and to avert potential troubles. Part of my work before this last matter went down…involved having to necessarily look for potential problems that could harm kids – lots of them, so I tend to look at things for potential bad results…to try to avoid problems for people. Hate – even “perceived hate”, can make more harm than good. Logical & reasonable outcry about injustice can help, however.

you See, You Hate Me Because I Am Proof That All Whites Are Not The Racists You Claim Us To Be.

Oh No, We Think You Are Wonderful. I don’t give a shi+ as to whether or not you are racist understand? You are not signing my pay cheque. Otherwise, carry On With Your Comical Musings!

sorry, Just Is, Considering All The Bigotry Here By Poc,and Thatwhen I Was Simply Trying To Be Helpful & Honest.

Yes Sah! Anymore Sage Advice? Lord Knows We Could Do With A Laugh!

in Fact, I Have Probably Done More For Blacks Wellbeing Than Most Posters Here Ever Have.

Oh Thank You Sah!

is My Not Being Racist Too Uncomfortablefor A Racist Website Bent On Making Poc Hate & Imagine All Whites To Be Evil?

No It Ain’t Making Us Uncomfortable. It Does However, Provide Much Needed Hilarity. I Have A Suggestion For Us ‘Poc'; Lets Get Together To Collectively Kiss The Whites’ Collective Buttocks. All In Favour Say “Aye Aye Mate”! All Against Say $#%^^!@#^)))*(&!!

Sorry, but I heard them say in one of the videos that it was a middle class white neighborhood. I know they should have responded to the whites bashing the car just like with the POC doing it, but I also feel this was all a willful setup to frame a case more than is common, and …I can’t resist the temptation to ask a question: if 3 white boys had come into a mostly black neighborhood and done the same thing, wouldn’t the results be the same…or worse? Of course.

So, it really proves little, in that case. Still, where I’m from, white punks like depicted would be hearing the sirens in no time if they did that ANYWHERE around here, so it must be on the other side of the USA, ’cause people here will not tolerate that mess from anyone, regardless of color.

Update on it? The case involved alleged discrimination against blacks & men, etc., and info on the 2nd site shows EEOC rubberstamping, non-investigation, lying to a Congressman, and that they have no sworn statement from the employer (required) nor did they subpoena the employer (required by Law if no sworn statement). IOW, they had no legal validity for closing down the case so fast, apparently.

Also, same site proves multiple judges allowed known perjury in court & then quickly kicked the case out without allowing a jurt trial — big violation of U.S. 7th Amendment & the Law! This white plaintiff should by Law at least get a jury trial. Fact is, there is proof of criminal activity in the case, including felonies, yet no prosecution whatsoever, so far. As a white man, I gotta say that a lot of white people, even here in the south, don’t believe in racism, including in the workplace — rather, hiring & firing based on merit. This is a conservative principle. If POC will view things this way and go by the Constitution, I think they will be welcomed among conservatives, which I feel has more in common with a lot of blacks – Christians, people with strong family values, people against the millions of abortions of black babies, etc.

On the flip side, nobody else can address any cultural problems among the black community like POC themselves can, so that is what must be done in certain areas, lest the culture disintigrate & collapse. That would affect all America. The same is true about problems among other cultures & ethnicites — we all got them, somehow or another.

I know this is an older post but can’t help adding some of the “newer rules” I’ve learned.

We’re not allowed to:

–play loud music in our cars when stopping at a gas station.
–ask for help after surviving an auto accident.
–inspect newly-bought property lest we might get shot by a crazy neighbor.
–rummage through our cars or our OWN property or police might shoot into the car.
–have our kids take out the garbage or they may get shot by a crazy neighbor.
–fire a warning shot into the wall to protect ourselves from an abusive husband…Stand Your Ground laws don’t apply to us in FL. What kills me about the Alexander case is that this woman faces up to 60 years for a warning shot where no one was killed. Yet jurors struggled with finding Michael Dunn accountable for Jordan Davis’ death.
–celebrate excessively after a major football game since it’s too “thuggish.”
–do a film remake with an all Black cast since it apparently “ruins” the original.
–Oh and slavery pictures that win an Oscar is nothing more than liberals with White guilt.