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I have a question for those with more knowledge than I on these matters. Harry just said he had a source tell him that 2 B52 bombers just left Israel
headed towards Gaza. I was unaware that Israel had these aircraft. Can anyone confirm for me? I've done a quick google search on this and have
turned up nothing of any note.

I believe that stream is coming from the roof of his apartment he is currently residing in. I dont think he can broadcast two streams on one account.
He his accompanied by friends over there I believe.

Well, I have both his stream and the OccupiedAir stream both up at the moment and while the images are different, the audio is the same. Muting one
still has the audio coming over the other. Been watching this since the thread went up, so yes, I am aware he has friends with him in the apartment
he is residing in at the moment.

Originally posted by MyMindIsMyOwn
I have a question for those with more knowledge than I on these matters. Harry just said he had a source tell him that 2 B52 bombers just left Israel
headed towards Gaza. I was unaware that Israel had these aircraft. Can anyone confirm for me? I've done a quick google search on this and have
turned up nothing of any note.

Trying to find some kind of confirmation, because there was also the claim of an F-16 shot down that may have turned out to be a UAV.

That being said, the Apache is one of the most vulnerable of assets, because it has to get in close, and it's slow. The armor will stop a lot of
rounds, up to 23mm I believe it is, but the rotors are still vulnerable, as are the engines if you hit the intake or the exhaust. Damage the tail
rotor, and no helicopter is going to stay in the air.

Israel has no heavy bomber capability. They rely on tactical bombers, such as the F-15 and F-16. The heaviest aircraft they have are C-130s, and 707
tankers. No one but the US has ever operated a B-52 fleet of any kind.

Israel has no heavy bomber capability. They rely on tactical bombers, such as the F-15 and F-16. The heaviest aircraft they have are C-130s, and 707
tankers. No one but the US has ever operated a B-52 fleet of any kind.

Originally posted by MyMindIsMyOwn
I have a question for those with more knowledge than I on these matters. Harry just said he had a source tell him that 2 B52 bombers just left Israel
headed towards Gaza. I was unaware that Israel had these aircraft. Can anyone confirm for me? I've done a quick google search on this and have
turned up nothing of any note.

Thanks in advance.

No, they don't. They don't have any bombers? Pretty sure of it.

USAF do though.

edit on 18-11-2012 by khimbar because: (no reason given)

This is an important question. If Israel has nuclear missiles from the US, submarines from NATO countries and F16, it would be strange if they didn't
have any bombers. What would they be threatening Iran with?

Bombers are needed to be able to bomb remote targets like Irans nuclear facilites, while remaining out of reach of conventional anti-aircraft systems.
I would bet my ass they have them.

Also, this is consistent with reports of downed drones, F16s and helicopters. If they have such casualties, they will pull out bombers and cruise
missiles like Harry just reported. Also, these have bigger destructive power imo, and with reports of IDF "exhausting targets in open space,
announcing more civilian casualties" - things might escalate further.

Harry Fear is a tool for Hamas and he only reports what he's told to say

I didnt know that... oh well, then its Harry Fear vs ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, Time Warner... I dont know... What you think?
I think Harry Fear CAN be a tool... at least someone has to be on the other side aye? Even if just one guy...

There are bombers, and there are Bombers. Israel uses tactical bombers, which fall into the first category. The F-15I is based on the F-15E
platform, with modifications specific to Israel. The payload capacity of an F-15E is heavier than a WWII B-29 bomber.

The F-15E aircraft can carry payloads up to 23,000lb. The aircraft can carry up to four Lockheed Martin / Raytheon AIM-9LM infrared-guided
Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, up to four Raytheon AIM-7F/M radar-guided Sparrow air-to-air missiles, or eight Raytheon AMRAAM radar-guided,
medium-range air-to-air missiles.
Ranges for these missiles are: Sidewinder: 8km; Sparrow: 45km; and AMRAAM: 50km.
The range of air-to-ground ordnance includes guided GBU-10, -12, -15 and -24 bombs, and Raytheon AGM-65 Maverick infrared-guided missiles. Maverick's
range is 25km.
The first units of GBU-15 glide bomb upgraded with Global Positioning System (GPS) guidance have been delivered for deployment on the F-15E. The Joint
Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) was cleared for carriage on the F-15E in February 2005. The aircraft will also be able to carry the Lockheed Martin
AGM-158 joint air-to-aurface atand-off missile.
The F-15E is the first aircraft to be armed with the Boeing GBU-39 GPS-guided 113kg (250lb) small diameter bomb. Up to 12 bombs can be carried. The
SDB entered Low-Rate Initial Production (LRIP) in April 2005 and achieved Initial Operating Capability (IOC) on the F-15E in September 2006.
The aircraft is also armed with an internal General Dynamics M-61A1 20mm Gatling gun installed in the right wing root, which can fire 4,000 or 6,000
shots a minute.

The IAF has always gone with a tactical bomber school of thought over a heavy bomber because a tactical bomber can be placed into a hardened shelter
capable of withstanding a rocket hit, where a heavy bomber requires much more extensive and vulnerable infrastructure. Heavy bombers mean lots of
room, aircraft parked in the open, and lots of targets on the ground.

Just a suggestion- Could anyone reporting on Harry's statements, preface it by "Harry reports that...", something to that effect? It would make things
clearer I think. (most ppl are, but some are not, I think)

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