Stealing signs, as Spygate taught us, is not just a baseball thing. And it's common that when a team faces one of its former longtime players, it will change up its terminology slightly just so that player's new team can't gain an advantage.

Well, the Chicago Bears seem to think that defensive end Israel Idonije, now with the Detroit Lions, tipped his new team off about what defensive schemes the Bears were running.

Stealing signs, as Spygate taught us, is not just a baseball thing. And it's common that when a team faces one of its former longtime players, it will change up its terminology slightly just so that player's new team can't gain an advantage.

Well, the Chicago Bears seem to think that defensive end Israel Idonije, now with the Detroit Lions, tipped his new team off about what defensive schemes the Bears were running.

So they use the exact same defense and calls as last year, when they had a different coaching staff??? Sorry, I'm calling BS on this one.

Not too mention, didn't Chicago bring in a couple former Lions in the off-season (Spivey for one)? If so, why didn't they know about the Lions D?

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September 30th, 2013, 2:00 pm

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Stealing signs, as Spygate taught us, is not just a baseball thing. And it's common that when a team faces one of its former longtime players, it will change up its terminology slightly just so that player's new team can't gain an advantage.

Well, the Chicago Bears seem to think that defensive end Israel Idonije, now with the Detroit Lions, tipped his new team off about what defensive schemes the Bears were running.

If the Bears coaching staff is so damn stupid they have carried over the defensive calls from one regime to another while facing an opposing player familiar with those calls, then they deserved to lose that game.

BOO HOO....that's all I hear.

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September 30th, 2013, 2:02 pm

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Re: Gameday Thread: Bears @ Lions.

TheRealWags wrote:

Not too mention, didn't Chicago bring in a couple former Lions in the off-season (Spivey for one)? If so, why didn't they know about the Lions D?

*cough, cough*

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Bears signed DT Landon Cohen.Cohen will provide defensive line depth with Henry Melton (torn ACL) on injured reserve. A seventh-round pick by the Lions in 2008, he’s appeared in three games over the past two seasons. Sep 27 – 11:24 AM

Free agent S Amari Spievey worked out for the Bears on Tuesday.It’s Spievey’s first workout since being cut loose by the Lions. He’d be the Bears’ fourth safety. Sep 17 – 6:16 PM

Stealing signs, as Spygate taught us, is not just a baseball thing. And it's common that when a team faces one of its former longtime players, it will change up its terminology slightly just so that player's new team can't gain an advantage.

Well, the Chicago Bears seem to think that defensive end Israel Idonije, now with the Detroit Lions, tipped his new team off about what defensive schemes the Bears were running.

If the Bears coaching staff is so damn stupid they have carried over the defensive calls from one regime to another while facing an opposing player familiar with those calls, then they deserved to lose that game.

BOO HOO....that's all I hear.

Seriously...Bears and their fans sound like us for once.

Don't forget that Flu also spent time with the Bears during the offseason.

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September 30th, 2013, 2:04 pm

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Re: Gameday Thread: Bears @ Lions.

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Bears think Israel Idonije gave their line calls to LionsPosted by Michael David Smith on September 30, 2013, 10:35 AM EDT

Lions defensive lineman Israel Idonije didn’t have a single tackle on Sunday, but he may have played an important part in Detroit’s win over Chicago anyway.

Some players on the Bears told Michael C. Wright of ESPN that they think Idonije, who played for the Bears from 2004 to 2012, tipped off the Lions to their stunts. According to those players, the Bears run a “power” stunt, and every time they ran it on Sunday, Lions running back Reggie Bush saw it coming and burned them on it.

The Bears have a new coaching staff this year, but head coach Marc Trestman retained defensive line coach Mike Phair, so the Bears may be doing the same things and making some of the same calls they had when Idonije played on their defensive line. So Idonije might have some information he could pass along to his new team.

But the Bears knew they were playing against one of their former teammates. They should have been prepared for the possibility that Idonije would have some information to share with his new team.

ALLEN PARK, Mich. -- Detroit Lions coach Jim Schwartz scoffed at the notion former Chicago Bears defensive lineman Israel Idonije tipped off defensive line calls to his new team, the Lions on Sunday.

The Lions allowed only one sack and rushed for 159 yards in their 40-32 win over Chicago.

“Yeah, I really think that’s ridiculous,” Schwartz said. “I think it takes away from the players on the field. We rushed for a lot of yards because we blocked them and Reggie Bush broke tackles and things like that.

“To say Reggie Bush is eight yards behind the quarterback and that he can hear what I line call is, you know, I think that’s ridiculous.”

Idonije played the past nine seasons for the Bears before coming to Detroit in the offseason. Chicago changed coaching staffs after last season, replacing Lovie Smith with Marc Trestman.

“I think they had a good game plan for us in the run game. They have Israel Idonije over there, who was a long time player for us, and who also happens to really know our defense,” Chicago safety Chris Conte said Sunday. “So they really had a great scheme going. But we just have to have a better effort individually. That’s all there is to it.”

At least one Bears player told ESPN.com’s Michael C. Wright that Detroit broke a lot of its biggest runs when the Bears called a “power” stunt, switching their routes to try and mess with the offensive line.

Stealing signs, as Spygate taught us, is not just a baseball thing. And it's common that when a team faces one of its former longtime players, it will change up its terminology slightly just so that player's new team can't gain an advantage.

Well, the Chicago Bears seem to think that defensive end Israel Idonije, now with the Detroit Lions, tipped his new team off about what defensive schemes the Bears were running.

So they use the exact same defense and calls as last year, when they had a different coaching staff??? Sorry, I'm calling BS on this one.

Not too mention, didn't Chicago bring in a couple former Lions in the off-season (Spivey for one)? If so, why didn't they know about the Lions D?

i doubt spievey actually knows the plays given his ineffectiveness and concussion history...jk

September 30th, 2013, 7:59 pm

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Re: Gameday Thread: Bears @ Lions.

rao wrote:

It seems like Delmas is playing a little more under control now. I wonder how much of that is because of Quinn and his presence on the field. They seem to be working well with each other and Delmas isn't trying to run around everywhere to make a play.

i dont necessarily agree that he s playing any different than before. i got pretty nervous when he leg whipped the goal post landing after breaking up a pass.

September 30th, 2013, 8:03 pm

m2karateman

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Re: Gameday Thread: Bears @ Lions.

The Legend wrote:

rao wrote:

It seems like Delmas is playing a little more under control now. I wonder how much of that is because of Quinn and his presence on the field. They seem to be working well with each other and Delmas isn't trying to run around everywhere to make a play.

i dont necessarily agree that he s playing any different than before. i got pretty nervous when he leg whipped the goal post landing after breaking up a pass.

It depends on how you look at things. I think he's playing differently, but its because he knows he doesn't have to do it all back there, which I think was the problem before. He either felt like he had to compensate for the other safety due to their ineptitude or their lack of speed. Whatever the case, I think he has a great deal of trust in Glover Quin that he hasn't had in anybody else playing safety with him. If you want to call that control, then so be it.

And I was wondering if he was going to get up after that leg whip as well.

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It seems like Delmas is playing a little more under control now. I wonder how much of that is because of Quinn and his presence on the field. They seem to be working well with each other and Delmas isn't trying to run around everywhere to make a play.

i dont necessarily agree that he s playing any different than before. i got pretty nervous when he leg whipped the goal post landing after breaking up a pass.

It depends on how you look at things. I think he's playing differently, but its because he knows he doesn't have to do it all back there, which I think was the problem before. He either felt like he had to compensate for the other safety due to their ineptitude or their lack of speed. Whatever the case, I think he has a great deal of trust in Glover Quin that he hasn't had in anybody else playing safety with him. If you want to call that control, then so be it.

And I was wondering if he was going to get up after that leg whip as well.

I also cringed when I saw him near that goal post.

M2k explained that better than I wrote it. It's not that I think he wont fly into another player with no thought to his own safety, it's just he's not doing it even when he's out of the play now. He seems like he is only worrying about his assignment and not trying to make the play everywhere on the field.

Stealing signs, as Spygate taught us, is not just a baseball thing. And it's common that when a team faces one of its former longtime players, it will change up its terminology slightly just so that player's new team can't gain an advantage.

Well, the Chicago Bears seem to think that defensive end Israel Idonije, now with the Detroit Lions, tipped his new team off about what defensive schemes the Bears were running.