A few years ago, in one of the most controversial rulings ever handed down, the Supreme Court decided that laws barring same-sex marriage were unconstitutional, thus essentially redefining the institution of marriage – an institution that had been characterized as “one man, one woman” from the inception of the United States, if not long, long before.

But while the decision by itself was damaging enough to the sound ground of states’ rights, legal sanity, and religious freedom, its ancillary effects have been even worse. Bakers, t-shirt makers, florists, photographers, and wedding venue owners have been penalized again and again by state commissions and courts for doing nothing more or less than refusing to celebrate gay marriage with their active participation.

None of these penalized business owners have discriminated against a single gay customer, but nonetheless, they have been found guilty of doing just that. These cases have hammered the First Amendment into an amorphous blob, putting the imagined “rights” of gays ahead of the very real rights of every U.S. citizen. It is a state of affairs that has led many to wonder if full-fledged religious persecution will be codified into law within the decade.

Soon, the Supreme Court will have a chance to make a landmark ruling. Depending on which way they rule in the case of Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, we will find out which is more important: The whims of an altar-bound LGBT couple…or the freedoms of religion and expression that form the foundation of our democracy.

The details of the case are simple. A gay couple asked Jack Phillips, the owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop, to bake them a custom wedding cake for their upcoming nuptials. Phillips refused, citing his religious beliefs and his opposition to gay marriage. He did not refuse the couple SERVICE, mind you; he only refused to make them a cake celebrating gay marriage. In fact, during his brief interaction with the couple, he specifically offered to sell them any product in his shop. That is important, because it undermines the argument of the ACLU and the arguments put forth by people like University of California law school dean Erwin Chemerinsky.

In an interview with Fox News, Chemerinsky said that “the interest in preventing discrimination outweighs” the right to free expression. As an example, he said that the baker would surely lose his case if he were “against interracial marriage and wouldn’t bake a cake for an interracial couple.”

But see, he’s conflating two different things in a single example. Yes, if Phillips refused to bake ANY cake for an interracial couple, he would be guilty of discrimination. But if he merely refused to bake a cake celebrating interracial marriage REGARDLESS of the race of his customers…well, we argue that he would still be within his rights. As he undoubtedly is in this case. The point here is not the sexual preference of Phillips’ customers, the point is the message on the cake.

The obvious line between discriminating against an idea (not illegal) and discriminating against an individual (illegal) is so bright and clear that we can only assume that LGBT activists are missing it on purpose. They are deliberately trying to confuse the issue in an attempt to make BOTH things illegal…at least when they are aimed at the ideas gays hold dear. Which of course opens the door to the federal government picking and choosing which ideas are OK to express and which ones are not. At which point…we may as well erase the First Amendment from the Bill of Rights altogether.

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No…but it’s called freedom of choice… I think God said something about that…
Oh and He didn’t say any exceptions…

Skippy

You’re a pathetic moron that doesn’t know The Constitution. It’s called freedom of religion.
God also said that homosexuality is a sin.
TTFN Ya Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!

gotabgood

God says .. choose you this day whom ye shall serve….. it wasn’t multiple choice. God gave us a free will.. man, as in the poor excuse such as you, have been trying to dictate what choices we have… and then judge them if it is not the same as yours… God also says… do not judge.. so far I can see two tickets with your name on it going straight to hell..

Skippy

Hey gotabdtupid you shouldn’t write on things that you know absolutely nothing about. I’m truly thankful that you don’t get to decide who goes to heaven or hell. I know what Christ did for me and I accepted him as my saviour. So I’m going to Heaven whether you like it or not.
It says in the Bible that you have the choice to accept him or not, it also talks about taking a stand for your faith. As for me and my house we will follow the Lord. Try again ya brainless wonder.
TTFN Ya Mindless Liberal Drone!!!!!!

gotabgood

2 Peter 2: 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Skippy

All you just proved is that you can copy and paste. You’re such a hypocrite you post all this, and yet you support the killing of innocent babies. Again you have no moral high ground here. So get off your sanctimonious high horse you’re pathetic moron.
TTFN Ya Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!

gotabgood

No.. I do NOT support abortion!!!! I support the God given right to each individual to choose for themselves. In short… It is none of your business what someone else does, especially if you do not know them… your job is to HELP and pray.. not condemn and degrade.. You say you know Jesus… you don’t know the first thing about him!! A woman was caught in the act of adultery, (where was the man?) anyway, she was dragged before Jesus and He wrote something in the sand, and they left… Jesus ask where are your condemners? They were all gone….. Does Jesus have to write something in the sand before you so you can understand you have enough problems of your own without taking on others too?
You my dear little friends are the one on the high and mighty horse, you are so good you can look down your very long nose at other peoples weaknesses… you are the hypocrite.

Skippy

I caught you in another lie. You’re nothing but a pathological lier. You have defended the right to abortion, and that means you support abortion. Again you have no moral high ground. Again get off your sanctimonious high horse. Try again ya moron.
TTFN Ya Mindless Liberal Drone!!!!!!

gotabgood

By your own words you prove how very stupid you are…. you said “You have defended the right to abortion, and that means you support abortion.”
I support the right to have an abortion…. I do not support abortion by going to their rallies. or donate money to their cause. As I have said many times before… I do not like abortion…. what I like does not matter to the law of the land… it is legal… Ya know??? And again God says…. choose……
If I choose to eat Cheerios for breakfast…. it is none of your business….
And don’t go giving me the crap about your government taxes supplying abortions… if you feel so responsible about that…. what about all the innocent children in the middle east that were killed with YOUR BOMBS??
What about your president flirting with nuclear bombs…. how many millions of lives will be killed because of an egotistical maniac? Your tax dollars pays his wage… maybe he will listen to you..

Skippy

You’re nothing but a pathological lier. You don’t believe the Bible nor do you know anything about The Constitution. Where in The Constitution does it give the right for abortion? I want it from The Constitution. In the Bible God said I knew you at conception. Whether you like it or not if you support the right to abortion you’re supporting abortion. Again you have no moral high ground here.
TTFN Ya Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!

gotabgood

Where in the constitution does it say anything about a speed limit?Whether you like it or not if you support the right to abortion you’re supporting abortion.
So says skippy… he is the interpreter and enforcer of……. what? The law? Roe v Wade says it is legal for an abortion.. My choice… God gave me a choice.. little men like you have been trying to push your own interpretation of what the bible says since the Pharisees… and now the Christians have taken over their job.. and you are failing..

Skippy

Again you’re nothing but a brainless idiot. With you saying that the speed limit is not in The Constitution, proves that you know nothing about The Constitution. Yes there are laws that are not specified in The Constitution, but some of them are backed up by The Constitution. Another words The Constitution gives the local and federal governments the power to make certain laws. I’ll rephrase the question. Where in The Constitution does it give a person the right to take another person’s Right to life away?
You’re right God gave you the choice to do what you want, and you still are defending and supporting abortion ( the killing of innocent babies.) You still don’t have the moral high ground here, so get off your sanctimonious high horse. With your logic a judge can rule that any murder is legal and Constitutional. Try again brainless wonder!!!!!!!
TTFN Ya Mindless Liberal Drone!!!!!!

CindyLouTerror

Your posts are right out of the devil’s handbook. The devil can quote Scripture. Your holier than thou pseudo-Christian posturing is laughable. It is you who need fear the Day of Judgement and you do not decide who is damned. All of Roy Moore’s accusers’ allegations have been debunked. As for cursing, recall that it was Jesus who cursed the fig tree on his way to Jerusalem. Your posts are self contradictory and expose a troll. You are certainly not a Christian.

gotabgood

” It is you who need fear the Day of Judgement and you do not decide who is damned. “
Oh, you bet I do…I know what I am… I need a lot of help… I need a savior… I need mercy. It is people that go around judging people… condemning people that need to worry… just like you just told me..“You are certainly not a Christian.” I guess you have all your ducks in a row to allow you to say that..mmmmmm if you had all your ducks in a row… then you wouldn’t need Jesus… so which is it… you need help? Or you got it all handled?
As for cursing…… somehow I think Jesus is a little above cursing as you know it…o’potty mouth queen.
You do a lot of judging and condemning… I would be more careful if I were you.
The self righteous people have a lot to be worried about.
In the last days they come to him saying Lord Lord WE HAVE DONE MANY GOOD WORKS…. Jesus says depart from me, I never knew you!
Virgins in the bible stands for purity, cleanliness, 10 virgins were called, they all went, they all slept, only 5 made it to the feast..
This one is my hope…. when God kills off His “chosen”, there will be room for me…. I hope.
The King made a feast for his sons wedding and invited the “chosen” to come, the “chosen” killed the kings servants, the king got mad, killed the “chosen” and told them to go out in the highways and invite the “good” and the “BAD” to come to his son wedding.
And then we have the dog returning to his vomit and the sow back to the mire ..

CindyLouTerror

You obviously did not understand the comment about “the devil can quote scripture” and you certainly appear to be an instrument of evil. Your obnoxious insults mean nothing to me. I am of the Jewish Faith and look to Almighty G-d for my strength and protection. Besides, Jews do not believe in the Christian and Muslim conception of the devil as Lucifer the fallen angel and opponent of G-d as G-d created the angels who have no free will nor power against G-d. As angels have no free will therefore ha Satan, (Hebrew for the opposition), cannot do anything without G-d’s permission – read the Book of Job to learn that. You hide your evil trolling behind a pseudo-Christian mask and fool no one. Go troll on a leftist site among your own kind.

peter watson

You quote from the Bible the way Satan does. Here’s the deal on judging – remember it.
1 Corinthians 2:
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

gotabgood

Conyers retires from Congress amid harassment scandal
While you want to elect a pervert
Is Roy Moore winning? Don’t ask the pollsters

Skippy

Conyers should have been tried and convicted and serve time in jail. Instead he used taxpayers money to pay the women off.
TTFN Ya Mindless Liberal Drone!!!!!!!!!!!

gotabgood

And how is Moore and different than Conyers, except the fact that Moore likes little girls… maybe your daughters age or grand daughter?

Skippy

The difference is ya pathetic moron is in Conyers case there was enough evidence that they payed the women off. There is no evidence backing up the accusations against Moore.
TTFN Ya Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’ve told you before ya pathetic moron no one wants to see a video of you taking a bath. You truly a sick individual.
Now if and that’s a very big if. If the accusations against Moore is true I won’t support him. Right now it’s just accusations.
Now I don’t want to hear anything from you brainless wonders on this. You morons claim to speaking with a moral authority on this, but still backs one of the biggest abuser of women Bill Clinton.
TTFN Ya Mindless Liberal Drone!!!!!!!

gotabgood

Clinton paid the price…. Trump has not…. but will. even if it is the second coming, he will confess the truth.

Skippy

Actually no Clinton has not paid the price. Those women never got their day in court, because of the protectionist Democraps. There’s no proof of those accusations against Trump. When some proof of his abuse of women comes out then he’ll lose my support. Again you idiots are grasping at straws.
TTFN Ya Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gotabgood

We have a confession with several women backing his confession up and Billy Bush saying yep, that was him… even though Trump tried to LIE about it wasn’t him on the video. What a natural born liar!! it doesn’t phase him at all.

Skippy

Again those are accusations made from women and no evidence to back it up. Now Billy Bush said in the beginning that it was a joke. Yes it was a crude joke, but I’ve heard worse from so called comedians. Now he’s trying to distance himself from that comment, and I don’t agree with him on that. Again get off your sanctimonious high horse you supported Bill Clinton.
TTFN Ya Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!

gotabgood

No not in this case…. we have him telling what he does to women… we have women coming for saying, he is not lying, he done that to me.. and we have Billy Bush saying yes that was him on the video……. CONFESSION and witnessed!!

Skippy

WTFE Ya Mindless Liberal Drone. Trump makes a crude joke and then a few women with an axe to grind, that doesn’t like Trump. They hear his crude joke and think I’ll run his name through the mud, and say he did that to me. First of all the women have to put forth some evidence to back up their accusations. Again you have no moral high ground here, because you supported Bill Clinton.
TTFN Ya Mindless Liberal Drone!!!!!!

gotabgood

You are either naive, stupid, or a liar… maybe all three..
But you know which you are,,, there is a forth, denial.

gotabgood

By the way Christian man who has Jesus as his savior…. what does WTFE mean?

Skippy

Never said I was perfect, I’m a sinner saved by grace. Another words I still have faults,but you fail to recognize yours. You need to follow this before you remove the mote out of thy brother’s eye, you need to remove the beam out of thy own eye first.
TTFN Ya Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!!!

gotabgood

In the beginning Trump confessed it was him saying those things…. now he says it wasn’t him….
As you support the child molester, Moore… Christian man.. what did Jesus say about the mill stone and children???? And you stand by idle and applaud (vote) for what he done to children.

Skippy

Only in liberal fantasy land. I’ve already explained that to you, but you’re too stupid to understand. There’s no real proof that backs up those women’s accusations on Trump or Moore. You obviously have a reading and comprehension problem, I think you need to go back to school. Again if any real evidence comes out that backs up their accusations against Moore and Trump, they’ll lose my support. What does the Bible sorry about bearing false witness? Again you don’t have the moral high ground here, because you still support Bill Clinton. So get off your sanctimonious high horse.
TTFN Ya Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gotabgood

Women said yes, he done this… Billy Bush was there….

wit·ness
ˈwitnəs/Submit
noun
1.
a person who sees an event, typically a crime or accident, take place.
“police are appealing for witnesses to the accident”
synonyms: observer, onlooker, eyewitness, spectator, viewer, watcher; More
2.
evidence; proof.
“the memorial service was witness to the wide circle of his interest”
verb
1.
see (an event, typically a crime or accident) take place.
“a bartender who witnessed the murder”
synonyms: see, observe, watch, view, notice, spot; More
2.
give or serve as evidence of; testify to.
“his writings witness to an inner toughness”

Skippy

Boy you really are that stupid. Billy Bush said he was there when Trump made a crude joke not when the women claimed the assault took place. there’s no evidence other than a crude joke that backs up those women’s accusations. There has to more than that. All you have is Billy Bush heard a crude joke and a couple of women said he’s not joking he did that to me. That’s not proof. For all we know these women are lying about what took place. I’m not saying Trump never said what he said, but then again you’re too stupid to get it. Try again ya pathetic moron.
TTFN Ya Mindless Liberal Drone!!!!!

Alanna’s Whore Tat

The common words ‘and’ and ‘any’ represent wholly different concepts, thus the words are not interchangeable.

gotabgood

I feel all butts are the same, but you can pick one or as many as you like to kiss..
French kissing is allowed..

You just keep on proving what a brainless wonder you are. When you are hired you sign an employee handbook in that there’s usually a code of conduct, and if you break that you can be fired. There was a guy that was videoed at a white supremacist rally and he was forced to resign, basically he was fired. Now the company or government that you work for catches you doing something that makes them look bad they can fire you, even if it’s on you own time.
Now obscene gestures and comments are not protected speech in public. You can be fined or jailed for doing something obscene in public. So the stuff that’s on the back of that truck the owner can be fined. Try again ya brainless wonder!!!!
TTFN Ya Brainless Wonder!!!!!!!!!

gotabgood

Then you believe in the 1st amendment and freedom of speech…….. except………..

Skippy

You truly are a Constitutional illiterate. There is the Rights of the employer that you’re leaving out.
TTFN Ya Mindless Liberal Drone!!!!!!

You truly are a pathetic brainless idiot. So the guy that was videoed at a white supremacist rally shouldn’t have been fired, is that what you’re saying? The thing is if a company or a government agency hangs on to a person like that the public will think that they agree with what that person believes. Try again ya brainless wonder!!!
TTFN Ya Mindless Liberal Drone!!!!!!

BTeboe

Block this guy gotobegood. He’s a troll with caca del toro for brains. I blocked him a long time ago.

Skippy

I’m having too much fun with this brainless idiot. I like watching them come unhinged.

STOP the PICKYNESS yes there are always two sides to a coin and some compromise in the middle Employer’s have rights so do employees

gotabgood

Where do the employers rights end and the employees rights begin? At the time clock??? That would be a good place, don’t you think so too?

Billy Wages

The employers reasonable expectation that his employees don’t embarrass his company
doesn’t end at the time clock.
We can answer your stupid, juvenile questions but you’re just pretending to be stupid.

Billy Wages

Expecting me to act like a responsible adult when in public, doesn’t mean that my boss
owns me.
That idiotic question is just another way that you libs try to mislead people.

Bielsabub

Nodamngood,

Perhaps in the future we can exercise our Second Admentment rights and shoot the bastards for attempted robbery of a legitimate business!

Free speech protects from govt actions. Employers can do as they wish.. We are never “off the clock.”

larry outlaw

She should have been shot between the eyes.

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sandraleesmith46

It also includes the right to freely choose those with whom we “assemble”.

Yes it is and Congress NOT the Supreme Court makes the laws and are obligated to uphold our first Amendment and all the Amendments of our nation. It says they cannot make one belief over another. Or make one greater than another.

Donald Lindsey

Hell no on same sex ideology, it goes against the Laws of GOD – Man & Woman as it was created and ordained by God.

Busdriver Bill

Or, for that matter, just examining the anatomy of the two, one concludes they must be made one for the other – and any other arrangement is contrary to natural law, as well as God’s. It ain’t a logical arrangement for two of the same sex to cohabit, sexually. (Redundancy intended).
I’ll admit, that in these times there are few reasonable role-models for either sexual ideal, and that many babes are taught early to be suspicious of their own sexuality. So, (as in other historical times of decline) sexuality seems somewhat vague. Good parenting includes the representation of both different sexes in operation (with dignity, I’d hope), and somehow that seems to be on the back burner nowadays. Both work, both are distracted by too many outside influences (mostly electronic), and both are too involved with their own egos. Poor little tyke – doesn’t know what to think – and what’s that weird feeling between my legs, FCS?

Perhaps the Colorado Commission should go smoke some of their weed and call it a day. The Cake Master will win or we all lose.

Rattlerjake

This author is WRONG! It is an individual’s right to discriminate if they so desire! When government forces it’s view on individuals that is called TYRANNY! The Constitution does NOT limit what an individual does, it limits what the government can do! As far as the interracial marriage thing goes, it is STILL AGAINST GOD’S LAW for whites to lie with negros (behemah/beast of the field). It is in scripture and Christians have fallen for the deceit of satan through the doctrines/laws of man; just as they are being lulled into believing it is acceptable to be homosexual!

There is not one scripture that discriminates against a person of one race marrying another. In fact Aaron and Miriam were reprimanded by God for speaking against’s Moses wife Zipporah. Noah’s Sons were with women of other races. God found Noah righteous and permitted his sons and wives to be saved. The scripture that says to not be UNEQUALLY YOKED is talking about not marrying outside your faith or belief system. It causes huge problems. II Corinthians 6:14-“Be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers” Acts 17:24-26: “God … hath made of
one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath
determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation …” Yes the OLD TESTAMENT did tell the Children of Israel the 12 tribes who were later taken Captive and scattered among the nations to this day. Except the Tribes of Judah (The Jews and Benjamin) God made a new covenant with the Jews but they too left God for false gods and lovers. Now we are in even a newer Covenant created the day Chirst laid his life down for us all and took it up again becoming ONCE and For all who accept his sacrifice through Grace and be pardoned. That means we obey God and all 10 of his commandments set in place before the Nation of Israel came into being through Jacob. Grandson of Abraham. Before that they were the Hebrew Children via Eber Abraham’s grandfather. The Jews are ONLY ONE tribe of Israel not all 12 and Israel is not all Jewish. But at the time Israel went into the Wildeness they were given laws to follow these laws POINTED to a coming Messiah. Christ came he changed the laws once again the veil was rent at his death the Physical priesthood ended the need for animal sacrifice ended the need to tithe ended instead free will offerings were expected and all the disiples who became Apostles had occupations Some fishermen, a doctor a tax collector, his brothers James and Jude Carpenters to name a few. They did not leave their job they were the CEO owners. They had a crew or hired help. They did not take money to live on and Paul was a Tent maker. Then new Covenant grafted in ALL “Gentile nations and gave them the right to have Salvation too if they wanted and seek it. I know many a black man and woman who are more righteous and moral and love God than many white people. Christ was born a JEW he was from the tribe of Judah he became our Intercessor whom we must go through to pray or speak to God the Father whom Christ revealed. Christ was the Logos, the word who spoke creation into being. Christ can change things and did and He is about ready to return to set up his Kingdom on the earth NO RAPTURE that is a lie. All eyes will see him and every knee will bow and Trump brought about some prophecy yesterday concerning Jerusalem. Read Matthew 24 the last few verses, Read Hebrews the entire book and Galatians and James as well as I, II and II John and there is a lot in Romans as well. So the reason for not marrying someone not of your convictions and faith and belief has nothing to do with “RACE” There is ONLY ONE RACE it is called the HUman Race God likes Variety we are different shades and skin tones but we are all Human and are created in the very image of the “God Family” Male and Female and we all have feelings, emotions and are intelligent beings. Some of those nations Israel was told not to marry with were of the same coloration as Israel. Once they were taken into Captiivity by the Mede’s and scattered most the lost tribes 10 are in all nations now.

Rattlerjake

YOU have been indoctrinated with false doctrine. Negros are NOT a race of MAN! If you actually read scripture and comprehended it instead of listening to the false prophets then you would understand that the negro is NOT a descendant of MAN! Negros (behemah) was created separately from Adam (MAN). The word Adam means skin that blushes, which a negros skin cannot do! If you had taken the time to read the information at the links provided then you would know you are shamefully wrong. Your mention of Zipporah proves you ignorance of scripture, because she was NOT a negro/behemah. Ethiopian in ancient times did NOT refer to a country as it does today, it referred to a geographical region that encompassed much of lower africa and the southern middle east area. Ethiopian was NOT a race, it was a nationality!
You seem to think that just because you “know many a black man and woman who are more righteous and moral and love God than many white people” that that makes them of MAN! You are wrong. The Hebrew word “behemah” [#929] is
translated 136 times as “beasts” and 57 times as “cattle”. It
describes “beasts” who can cry mightily to God (as your black “friends” do), who can turn away from evil, who
wear sackcloth, who are circumcised, who can lie down with a woman to have sex with
her, who have a conscience, who are put to death for violating God’s Law, who have
possessions which can be sold or redeemed, who hold authority which can be taken away, who
have feet and hands, who are inhabitants of cities, who God threatens to crossbreed with
Israelites and Judahites, who can be hired, who are kept in tents, and who have boils on
their bodies, none of which any four legged animal on the earth is capable of.
Just as many Christians have accepted evolution and the Big Bang theory in replacement for creation, have accepted homosexuality as ok (when it is clearly an abomination), have accepted women in authority over MAN (God did NOT make woman to be equal to MAN or to compete with man, or to rule over MAN), YOU have accepted what God warned of when he said neither man nor woman shall lie with the beast – that beast being behemah – the NEGRO! Believe as you wish, but when you believe the deceit over God’s word then you are denying him! Remember Jesus said that in the end times many will be deceived, that you will be hated because of his name, and strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it! Following the lies, laws, doctrines of man and ignoring God will lea you to the wide gate!

I am not any of those things, sir. I happen to be a white, Conservative, devoutly Christian woman who studied the Bible in high school AND in college for over TWO YEARS. I also grew up in church and reading the Bible and have continued Bible Study throughout my almost 64 years.

YOU provide absolutely NO proof for your claims, and NO explanation for the FACT that there are different races of people all over the world.

Also, when God named “Adam,” there was NO definition of the name — just “Adam.”

And I am ALSO pro-life.

Your ridiculous claims tell me that you are a White Supremacist of the worst possible strain — the kind that justified slavery because somebody else had a different skin color.

People like you make me sick.

Rattlerjake

I provided no proof of my claims????? That means that you did NOT even look at the link provided.

There are eight different Hebrew and Greek words, behemah, b’iyr, ziyz, chay, cheyva’, trephah, nephesh, and ktenos, are all translated into the one English
word “beast”, but they each have different meanings in the original Hebrew and
Greek languages which were lost in the translation into English.

The Hebrew word “behemah” [#929] is translated 136 times as “beasts” and 57 times as “cattle”. It describes “beasts” who can cry mightily to God, who can turn away from evil, who wear sackcloth, who are circumcised, who can lie down with a woman to have sex with her, who have a conscience, who are put to death for violating God’s Law, who have possessions which can be sold or redeemed, who hold authority which can be taken away, who have feet and hands, who are inhabitants of cities, who God threatens to crossbreed with Israelites and Judahites, who can be hired, who are kept in tents, and who have boils on their bodies, none of which any four legged animal on the planet is capable of. Only homo sapiens have such traits and capabilities, even to this day. This Scripture is proof that there are species of humans who are not of “Adam” [read: “ruddy” or to blush]. Thus the word “behemah” can describe only homo sapiens who are not of the Adamic [read: Caucasoid] race but who do have similar but certainly not equal physical and intellectual traits.

The Hebrew word “chay” [#2416] is translated 143 times as “life”, 99 times as “living”, 67 times as “liveth”, 44 times as “live”, 76 times as “beast” or “beasts”, 30 times as “alive”, as well as “creatures”, “running”, “raw”, “quick”, “congregation”, “appetite”, and “company”.

When the Bible was translated from Aramaic/Hebrew, there was no name for the negro other than “beast”. NOWHERE in the Bible is there a reference to “races” or “skin colors”- NOWHERE! “Humans” are differentiated by nationality or geographical region – Jews, Israelite, Egyptians, .Philistines, Cushites, Gentiles…

And to fix your obvious IGNORANCE, words in language have meaning. The word Adam, the name God gave to the first man, in the original Biblical text (GOD’S WORD), in Hebrew means ‘skin that blushes’! This separates MAN from behemah because a negros skin does NOT BLUSH!

Of course then you use the leftist agenda to justify your false interpretation. “White supremacist”? Really? Because I speak the truth based on the facts as written in SCRIPTURE! Essentially you think God is a “White Supremacist”! And then you bring up the slavery issue? Exactly WHERE did I condone slavery? Nothing I said is in any way condoning mistreatment of negros.

ALL of the verses that are referenced in the link I provided are from scripture. They are God’s word! This is no different than the “Christians” who are following the laws of man and accepting homosexuality, when God plainly says “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”! So is God a homophobe too?

Wow I most certainly am not indoctrinated at all I read the bible and pray and ask for insight and I often have visions or dreams I do not at all listen to men and their false teachings. Black people are Human not beasts and God offers them along with red, yellow, and white and all shades in between salvation. I do not accept evolution nor the big bang at all. And yes God did make women equal to man Galatians 3:26-29 Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God made the HUSBAND not all men the head of the wife not all women.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your young men will see visions,
Your old men will dream dreams.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
And they will prophesy (Acts 2:17-18)

And the same man had four daughters, virgins, who did prophesy.
Act’s 21:9
I Cor 14 is talking about unconverted wives NOT all women WIVES not all women have a husband at home to ask. I Tim says a woman has to have authority over her but if a man gives her authority under himself to speak she can speak, sing, teach etc.

Sorry you are the one most deceived and I feel sorry for you. Satan is blinding you and all hate and racism comes from Satan the father of all lies.

Rattlerjake

I will not argue with an obvious fool. But I will finish with – In all of your ranting, where is your proof that what I provided is wrong? Show me your proof that behemah CAN’T be the negro! Show me proof of WHAT the beast of the field is that wears sack cloth and wails to God. God said a woman shall not lie with a beast, so considering that ALL 4 legged animals STAND to breed, what did she lie with? What beast was God referring to that was not to put it’s hand on the altar? Even God mentioned mixing the seed of man and beast, so exactly how can man produce offspring with “animals”? Lets hear your proof!

Lastly, where in scripture is there any mention of red, yellow, white races? NOWHERE! I’ll say it again – NOWHERE! All “races” of man, whether Jew or gentile have white skin that blushes. The negro, on the other-hand, DOES NOT! Biologically, the negro has a permanent layer of melanin pigmentation that prevents their skin from blushing!

Racism? Hate? Exactly how is the truth racism and hate. I made no reference to TREATMENT of anyone. It is you that is showing hate because what I have shown you, you cannot accept. It’s GOD’S WORD, not mine.

Outlaw Josie Wales

You cannot be that backwards morally. You must be joking and trying to obfuscate this issue by antagonizing well-meaning people. Shame on you for your asinine comments.

Also, your theology is completely wrong anyway, even if you believed it, which I doubt you do, Mr. Neanderthal.

Rattlerjake

No it is YOU that is backwards. YOU believe that a government of corrupt politicians and leftist ideology has the right to dictate how you think. I didn’t say that it is necessarily RIGHT to discriminate, but it is an individual’s right and it is NORMAL human behavior. Ex: If I decide that I don’t want to interact with fat people, because I find them disgusting, or with gays because I don’t like their lifestyle, that is MY prerogative, and neither you nor government has any right to tell me otherwise. Government, on the other hand has NO RIGHTS; government must treat everyone the same – BUT government doesn’t do that. Government discriminates against non-leftist believers, whether it be Christian bakers or the IRS against conservatives, or the discrimination against whites by establishing affirmative action and lowering standards that only benefit certain special interest groups, or how about how government cowers to the illegal trespassers by passing special laws to protect them when they aren’t even citizens nor even pay into the system that is primarily established to protect it’s citizens from invasion!
You are a disgrace to the name Outlaw Josey Wales!

By the way, my theology is directly from scripture. The problem is that non-Christians like you, and even many so-called Christians insist on following evil by accepting everything the government claims is true. A theory is NOT truth, nor is a hypothesis. Most of what is taught in public indoctrination systems is NOT truth, but a leftist ideology being taught to get rid of a belief in God!

Brett Laws

Rattlerjake, when I read your 1st post on this discussion, I said to myself you were full of crap and it should be no problem debunking your claims by doing my own research. I’ve researched this on and off for the past 4-5 days and so far cannot find anything to refute your posts. I’m not saying I agree or disagree although I find it funny how several people have commented but provided no evidence to refute your posts, instead, resorted to name calling

Rattlerjake

Thanks.

Remember – You have been researching this for 4-5 days, yet I have been studying it now for several years. When I first “stumbled” onto this information I refused to accept it, but the more I dug the more I found. The problem with most people is that they will accept ANYTHING and Everything that a claimed expert says without even taking into consideration what circumstances the information is provided under. They will immediately believe a sexual abuse accuser, a government scientist, even a motivational speaker turned evangelist, without even considering that 99% of the time these snakeoil salesmen are in it for the money (the root of ALL evil). These same suckers really think that “higher education” actually means that people with degrees are somehow smarter, when all a degree shows is they were able to absorb WHATEVER information they were indoctrinated with by professors who got their degrees the same way. With that said, I am a Biologist, and I also spent 22 years in Special Forces and have been in 40+ countries, my experience alone helps me to see through the lies and weed out the truth -especially political and scientific. I am NOT politically correct, often very direct (no sugar coating and somewhat rude), and unsympathetic to ignorance and stupidity. My only intent is to provide the truth as the facts and physical evidence proves, rarely will I give an opinion.

Witnessing to All Nations (Mark 13:10-13; Luke 21:10-19)
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Every one of these verses is what is happening NOW!

CHRISTians are hated because of CHRIST/God and his word. They hate that God calls homos an abomination, that he established marriage only between man and woman, that negros are NOT of man, that deviant behavior is unacceptable, that the earth is flat and immovable …..Instead we are given “theories” that are treated as fact.

Today we see EVERYONE is offended, they are all turning on each other, and hate abounds – BLM, Antifa, all leftist snowflakes, illegals hate legal citizens, negros hate whites…..

False prophets – ALL of the major televangelists are false prophets, they are NOT teaching the whole scriture, but using bits and pieces to sway our decisions. The Pope wants to change the Lord’s Prayer, he supports homosexuality, he even has made negative comments about Trump supporters as well as law abiding gun owners….look at Osteen and how he had to be ridiculed during the hurricane disaster before he opened the doors of “HIS” church to those in need, how he lives in excessive luxury from money given in the name of God…..

Are we not seeing iniquity (immoral or grossly unfair behavior) abound….?

“IF YOU STAND FOR NOTHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING”

Brett Laws

Getting down to the truth is what it is all about in this life we live. In all things, as they come…

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CindyLouTerror

Roy Moore was correct in saying that gay marriage is unconstitutional. The extreme court screwed the pooch by permitting a vote by two justices, if you can even use that word to describe commie Bader-Ginsburg and obamaite Kagan, who did not recuse themselves on that decision despite the fact that they both officiated in gay nuptials and had conflicts of interest. Therefore, legally, the extreme court, supposedly the weakest branch of the Federal government but has long been power grabbing and making new laws, did not vote to legalize gay marriage. This is the second time that Kagan refused to recuse. Hopefully both will be removed by impeachment from their offices by the Congress. The Founders well knew about homosexual persons yet the Constitution does not mention anything about marriage or gay and transvestite rights. We are in this moral crisis courtesy of homosexual obama and his tranny “wife” moochelle. The legal way of granting rights where none exist is to have a Constitutional amendment to grant those supposed rights. Judicial over reach should not be permitted to happen. The entire Federal judiciary except the Supreme Court can be removed or changed or individuals impeached by the Congress – legislating from the bench is not the job of the judiciary but is one of the tools of the left to get their agenda legalized. Domestic partnerships would have granted the legal protection that the homosexual community wanted but then demanded marriage which even in ancient Greece, where male-male sexual relations were deemed superior to any other, marriage was defined as being between a male and a female. Trying to coerce a mostly heterosexual species, mankind, to embrace homosexuality and transexualism as equivalent is biological nonsense. We do not even know the etiology of these sexual biological outliers. Transexualism could be a mental illness or a biological abnormality of hormonal failure to prime the brain or a genetic mutation. Permitting adoption of children to homosexual or transexual adults is child abuse and brainwashing children that gender identity is fluid and homosexuality and transexualism is normal is incorrect and abusive. Mankind is the only animal that has venereal disease. Ever wonder why? Male and female are the biological norm for the propagation and preservation of our species. It has ever been so and the desperation of the outliers to normalize their abnormality should not be permitted to occur. Not being discriminated against is one thing but legalizing the abnormal is not scientifically or biologically acceptable.

Sue

How did this conversation get so far off track? The owner offered anything in their bakery. Better yet, go to another bakery. This is the definition of a frivolous lawsuit. Is this the only bakery in the area?

Chasalz

They did go to another bakery and then as an afterthought they decided to sue they decided to sue Phillips for discrimination. Mean bastards.

jim_wright

They were looking for a shop to sue so they could make an issue.

Gerry Costa

Exactly right !!

Deplorable wizard

The issue here is not just the destruction of the first amendment, and subsequently the entire Bill of Rights, but to attack and destroy the Declaration of Independence.

Granted, the Declaration of independence is only seen as a bold statement, aimed at the king of England. It is not a set of laws, in fact it’s only relation to a Governing document is that it states that we, as a nation, have the right to govern ourselves. If one reads the document, it clearly points out not just the collective right, but the individual rights granted by the creator.
By removing the individual’s “unalienable right to life, liberty,and the pursuit of happiness”, deferring those rights strictly to groups – whether a minority or majority – alters the document and disqualifying it as a valid declaration.
As the Declaration of Independence is the cornerstone of the Democratic Republic of the United States of America, it serves yet to this day to inform the world that we are an independent nation. To disqualify it is to further open the door for assimilation and dominance of a one world government, a longtime goal of the leftist agenda, and the removal of all individual rights.

Thin ice, boys and girls, we”re treading on very thin ice. The deep state is playing both sides against the middle, and everybody will loose, except the government elite.

Busdriver Bill

Wiz: You have the picture in all its gory (er, glory), and I am encouraged to see another soul with a similar vision to mine. Keep spreading the word, my friend.

Deplorable wizard

Yes, sir,
It is necessary to show the depths of the deception, as the majority, on both sides, focus primarily in the superficial.

Joseph C Moore USN Ret

You have formed a good argument on how everyone will lose. (loose, sp.)

The superficial focus is by design. The corporate ownership of the media is not coincidental. The mass media is not the “watch dog” the press was meant to be, as protected by the First Amendment. The owners ARE included in the deep state. Hard core stories that should be followed to conclusions fade fast in the light of the trivial. For instance; how many people remember how fast and furious ended? And who remembers what led to the email scandal – I’m sure Mrs
Stevens remembers! How many of bho’s atrocities were overshadowed by dancing with the stars drama?
Overall it’s sickening, and the sheeple eat it up, all of it.

Southern Xposure

Agree, “Bread and circus”

Not So Fast

Touche!

Joseph C Moore USN Ret

Who will lose (not loose) in these frivolous lawsuits? The constitutional American.

Deplorable wizard

Ok, I had a typo.
Yes, the red blooded patriot, the folks that know freedom isn’t free. The people that truly love this nation.
Thats who lose.

rick

Not everybody,,,,,GOD is going to win in the end and everybody thinking they were right and proven wrong, by God himself, will be the ones mourning.

Zelda777

EXACTLY!

turkeychoker

I agree. They chose that shop because they knew who they were dealing with. They wanted an issue.

All the lawsuits that were done on this the florist the baker and those refusing to perform a wedding were all sought out deliberatey to thumb the nose and demand that the rights of Same Sex are greater and more important than anyone else’s are. But it violates the first Amendment period.

Dan

….and if this action against this baker thinks it will win them friends they are as fruity as my mom’s fruitcake. pun intended

Sue, we forget that the baker also has rights that are being pushed aside because someone wants THEIR rights to be more observed than the bakers rights, UNFAIR, Rights are Rights on BOTH sides. One CANNOT cram their rights on another, it does not become, I can have MY ways you DON’T get YOURS

Bielsabub

WHY ELSE DO YOU THINK THEY WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY?

THEN, ONLY THE CRIMINALS WILL HAVE THEM. WETHER IT’S THE LIBERALS OR THE GOVERNMENT!

sandraleesmith46

Marriage is NO ONE’s “right”; ergo, homosexuals can’t have a right that no one has. That means what they’re suing over is their WANTS and FEELINGS; not a “right” at all! And their wants and feelings did infringe on someone else’ very REAL right to honor his God by obeying HIS laws over man’s wants. That goes for every one of those who have been sued like Jack Phillips over this insanity. The right to free expression of our religious beliefs is guaranteed by the Constitution, a God-given right recognized in the Declaration of Independence. NOWHERE, in any document, is there mention of a “right” to marry; and nowhere is permission to violate another’s guaranteed rights given in the Constitution. The states’ laws about this are unconstitutional on those grounds; and should be slapped down HARD!

Dan

Got that right !

G.Frazier

All I can say is that God told Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply.” Until Adam and Steve can accomplish this, I don’t see as to how the worldly view that God has ordained homosexuality, can hold water!

sandraleesmith46

Agreed; and without the technology or 3rd party intermediary. Adam and Eve proved such is not necessary when following God’s plan. Then there are the NUMEROUS times throughout the Word, not just once or twice, such behavior is condemned….

Billy Wages

Another example of our lib judges allowing our rights to be decimated.

Mark Owen

Tell them fudge packers and crotch cannibals to hit the road. Go somewhere else and ask for a cake. Most of cake bakers I’ve seen on cooking shows my wife watches are gays anyway. I’m sure they can find one who doesn’t take their religion so seriously as to risk having to go to court.

G.Frazier

My point, exactly!! Homosexuals are demanding that God has given them the same rights, while they deny the rights of the baker they sue, because he – being a Godly man, refuses to take part in the unGodlinness of an unholy marriage.

laulau

They don’t want to find another bakery. They want to make a case out of it and maybe sue. Ignorant troublemakers.

harold

I disagree on one point, ‘They are immoral troublemakers’.

Edward

It’s kind of like refusing service to Blacks back in the 50s and 60s. So they made a law that you have to serve them but then they have to leave. It was like here is your food but you can not eat it here.

Joseph C Moore USN Ret

As Marie Antoinette remarked: “Let them eat cake”. However, dear Marie wasn’t talking about birthday, wedding or otherwise, and she was separated from her head by a French guillotine.
Trivia: Marie Antoinette had an estate in Wyalusing, PA which she never got to visit.

Billy Wages

The libs make a living from frivolous lawsuits. We actually need to take a better look at some of our judges.

God did have a thing or 2 to say about “Adam and Steve” too; and they weren’t very friendly. In the OT, the command was to stone both to death, immediately; Jesus mitigated that somewhat, but His action would be to tell them to “go and sin no more” meaning STOP doing what you’ve been doing, it’s SIN; repent and be saved.

Peter Smith

Yes, you’re right. But the Bible speaks more about the consequences of their “behaviors”. Leviticus was rather blunt in describing the consequences.

sandraleesmith46

That wasn’t the only consequence: and without repentance which means turning 180 degrees and walking away from that sin, whatever sin it is, permanently; and seeking Jesus for redemption and salvation, the ultimate consequence still awaits each and every one; eternity in “hell”!

Joseph C Moore USN Ret

Thank you SandraLeeSmith!

sandraleesmith46

You’re welcome. 🙂

Joseph C Moore USN Ret

The G-d given destruction of the cities of Sodom & Gomorrah.

Peter Smith

Actually, the Divine destruction of those cities were the consequences of their actions, handed down by the Lord God. The Bible tells all not to do it or else. The consequences are sever, just read Leviticus.

Billy Wages

Do you know how to spell GOD?

Joseph C Moore USN Ret

Jewish religion prohibits spelling out or uttering the name of the Supreme Being. “He who shall remain ineffable”.

Billy Wages

I didn’t know that. My bad. I apologise.

Armin v. Thal

Skippy, calm down !
This anonymous gravedigger “gotabgood” is, what we call in Europe, an “agent provocateur”,
with other words, a member of the “editorial department”, who gets paid for “pouring oil into the fire”
(of discussion) to keep it going! I can here his bosses laughing !

EFREN VARGAS, M.D.

NO, BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO CRY IF THEY GET DIVORCED.

Southern Xposure

Can a person be forced to love?

Can a person be forced to celebrate (love) another’s behavioral choices?

Can I be forced to celebrate an alcoholic’s right to damage himself with alcohol or the unhealthy choice of the anorexic to starve herself?

Is behavior (acting out on desire) equivalent to ethnicity?

(There is only one race – the human race, thus a human may not be de-humanized on the basis of unchangable (sacred design/DNA) ethnic traits such as skin color).

Ron Dapo

I’am with Mr.Cake Maker 110% period. Religious freedom is a RIGHT, that must not be infringed upon. This right was fundamental to the founding of our country.

davesop

Be gay, be a tree. I just do not want it in my face on a continuing basis.

jimdarnall

So many folks believe the Supreme court has all this unconstitutional authority. Remember this truth. There is only one branch of government that makes or changes law and it is not the judicial branch. The Judicial branch interprets laws as constitutional or not and it is only their opinion. There responsibility is to uphold the constitution as written and not to adapt it to whatever political agenda is desired.The legislative branch of Congress makes the laws and is the only branch that can change the laws. This whole same sex marriage thing was never made law through legislation. Sadly Congress and the people of the United States by not really knowing the constitution and the three branches, have allowed law where there isn’t law. Remember this also, No man can change what God has already ordained as right and good. This is the truth no matter what anyone wants ti believe.

Would it be OK if I converted this comment into a stand-alone article for Writer Beat? There is no fee; I’m simply trying to add more content diversity for our community and liked what you wrote. I’ll be sure to give you complete credit as the author. You can learn more about Writer Beat by checking out my profile or just say “sure” and I’ll handle the resgt.

jimdarnall

I know nothing about writers beat but I certainly know about truth. I would hope more people would get past being victims of hurt feelings like most all liberals are and recognizing and accepting truth and I don’t men relative truth either. I am glad you liked my above comments. I would prefer that you just refer others to read it on this site. Thank you.

I’m not going to do that. But should you desire more exposure for what you have to say, you know where to find me.

Tasine

Time to jut the Supreme Court which seems to have no clue as the the US Constitution….or as to “law”. Fine set of “lawyers”, if you ask me. I wonder when it will decide that allowing young children to DO major heart surgery? With the stupidity already exhibited, it would not surprise me in the least if such ignorance were to be shown.

Southern Xposure

Twisted meaning must not be allowed to hide behind truth.

By example, Last week a British Labor Secretary suggested that calling out Muslim terror was “racist”. Really? White, black, Arab, and Asians practice the ideology of Islam. To which race does he refer this discrimination?

Wasn’t it Churchill who cautioned that “truth is protected by a bodyguard of lies”?

Gerry Costa

Don’t care what the SCOTUS rules — I will feel the way I want to feel — PERIOD !!!

Oldawg70

When/Where immorality prevails…society fails…ALWAYS! LGBT isn’t just immoral, it is a social form of cancer!

Margaret lee Combs

What is troublesome is that gays are so intolerant. They want the govt to FORCE EVERYONE to approve if their way of life or suffer for it. Won’t happen.

Bielsabub

Oldawg70…

Hopefully, for those who practice it incurable!!!

harold

It well could be considering the possibility of aids!

Ginger Williams

I believe the point here is that a baker should not be required to make a cake celebrating something he believes is wrong in the eyes of his faith. As the marrying couple was able to obtain a cake elsewhere, what is the problem? Personally, if I went to a baker and they refused to make my cake for any reason, I would say ” well, I’m not going to force them – who knows what they would do to the cake!” I will take my business elsewhere and make sure everyone knows why. End of story.

RICHARD

Queers and drug addicts should all get together and kill themselves.

shafawn

No matter what they say or do I will NEVER condone it, promote it or celebrate homosexuality in any of it’s forms or letters.
We need to get rid of this notion that congress and supreme court should be over us for a life time career. EVERY public office should be LIMITED. Serve your time and GET OUT!!!

Larry Brule

HELL NO, MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN. NO DECREE BY MAN CAN CHANGE THIS FALSE NARRATIVE!

Charlotte K. Poirier

I DON’T WANT TO CELEBRATE SAME SEX BS

Statesman Patriot

The main stream media has been eliminating the first amendment for years under the guise of protecting it. They fail to look at long term unintended consequances and argue from purely emotional positions.
They have lost the values most treasured in Americana!
The LGBT couple were instructed to intentionally find a bakery that wouldn’t bake the special cake so they could sue. There are several bakeries within a ten mile radius. Frivolous is an understatement!
If these loonies want to be accepted, the need to stop pushing their agenda into our faces! Their antics are making me despise them.

Bill Giles

There is nothing about gay rights in the Constitution. In fact, the public didn’t except gay public expression before or after the signing of the Constitution. In fact, the Supreme Court has violated the rights of the citizens by forcing them to accept laws concerning religious expression and conscience. Homosexuality was accepted as a crime for over two hundred years after the Constitution was signed. Gays that kept their sexual expression private, and did not upset the public peace were usually accommodated with being left alone by the government, the same as religions that did not support defending the US in times of violent confrontations. Outside of that, gays have always had full Constitutional rights, in fact, for centuries they have had more physical protection that non-Gays, and have escaped prosecution for sexual assaults against children and other unwilling participants. Try going into a Muslim deli and ordering a ham for the holidays!

Kevin

I once went with a Jewish friend to a restaurant that we were invited to try out by another, mutual friend. The place was Indian (not American-Indian, but India the subcontinent). Well, they had a special section of the menu labeled “halal” – which is observant of Islamic culture. My Jewish friend remarked something to the effect of “I wonder if I should ask for their Kosher menu?” He didn’t, because basically he’s a nice guy.

Joseph C Moore USN Ret

“Halal & Kosher are mostly similar and eaten by Muslims & Jews with few exceptions.

harold

There is no such thing as a gay! They are queers or really homosexuals. Anyone remember reading about Sodom and Gomorra ?

mary

I don’t care who anyone sleeps with or marries; it’s none of my business. If the baker doesn’t want to bake this wedding cake, why would you want him to or have the government force him to? There are plenty of other bakeries willing to take their business and make them the cake of their dreams. This isn’t a civil rights issue but an ideological one. Hopefully, the Supreme Court sees it that way.

Kevin

You are 100% correct. But, what these guys are after is not a wedding cake. What they want is to go screaming to the ACLU and crucify Christians (in particular) because they (the queers) know that Christianity is opposed to homosexuality, and they want to grind anyone who opposes them into the dirt. They probably don’t target Jewish bakers because there aren’t as many Jews as there are Christians, and if they went after Muslim bakers, well, they wouldn’t want to have their heads cut off. The other benefit of going to the ACLU is its a great way to make a lot of money.

Manuel Gonzales

Obama, the father of legal immorality in America, very well confirmed the scripture in the Bible that says: “Every man (non gender), did that which was right in his own eyes”.
America has a moral problem. And it is only advanced by the lack of integrity.
There is no moral compass by where a person can measure their character by discernment. What ever happened to think before you leap? We used to individually make sound judgments by what was moral and right and not by what the crowd cheered about. People have lost their individualism and become compromisers with the crowd that says if it feels good do it.
I am not a self righteous man who claims perfection of morals. I have screwed up just as much if not as much as the next guy, but I judge my actions by the moral compass which hasn’t abandoned me. GOD! I try each day to live by his example. In today’s culture, that is a little bit difficult, but I know I must try. I am not judging anyone but all I am saying is we have a moral standard to live by to get along in this world. We must not go rogue just because we want to fit in. There are natural living standards that were set long long before we can even began to understand. Non the less, they are the right way to live by.

Kevin

Very good post. There isn’t much I can add, you’ve hit on the root cause of almost all of our problems today. The Left has made great strides in destroying what used to be the United States of America. Alexis de Tocqueville stated in his 1835 book “Democracy in America” that America is great because America is good, and it will cease to be great when it ceases to be good. He traveled extensively in the “new” country and made many observations. One of his foremost observations was the almost exclusively Christian nature of the people who lived here. First, the Left succeeded in removing the Ten Commandments from being posted in every schoolroom in the country. We can’t have children be influenced by “Judeo-Christian ethics” now can we? But, what’s so wrong with “Thou Shall Not Kill” (or commit murder)?
And yes, your Bible quotation from the Book of Judges was a negative commentary on the nature of the people during those times between the Exodus and King Saul. It was not a commentary about how great things were. Satan himself rebelled against God because he didn’t want to obey God’s Law – he thought of himself as great as the Most High. True Freedom and Liberty can only flourish (and the greatest good is had by the most people) in an environment where people live according to certain limitations (Law) – such as “Thou Shall Not Kill.” To reject moral limits is to invite anarchy – and destruction.

sandraleesmith46

Actually, I think that may go back to the Kinsey report; which was published well before O was even born! It was the birthing grounds of the “sexual revolution” of the ’60s and all that has followed. O didn’t even come along ’til ’61; so didn’t start it by a long shot.
As for the rest of the amorality; it began in earnest in the late 1860s, when our Constitution was deliberately altered.

Manuel Gonzales

It was during his administration that abortion became legal, and same sex marriage was legalized. I lived the 60s. I know my generation was liberal and wild. I spent all the hippie years in Vietnam. 65-69. I grew up in the 50s and the wildest thing at our parties was making out and drinking beer. I blame Obama for allowing sexual depravity to take off unchecked. But of course we know his sexuality anyway,

sandraleesmith46

Abortion goes back to Roe v Wade in ’73; O just tried to force it on EVERYONE. I was a nurse back in those years already; after my time in the Navy Nurse Corps. I remember those wild parties, and spin the bottle. I grew up in the late ’40s to early ’60s too. Thank-you for serving; instead of running across a border, as so many did back then. I blame the ACLU for a lot of the depravity we now have to deal with, particularly the perversion going on. I was a student nurse when they, along with some lobby groups, literally extorted the APA into pulling homosexuality out of the DSMs and claiming it’s no longer a mental disorder. Since it was “current events” for us, we paid attention. The 2 kind of rode in together: abortion and homosexuals coming out of the close, both based on lies and deceit.

Manuel Gonzales

I see you are a “46” as well. Then you know that we made more sense back then than the kids of today. What happened?? I know that “Father knows best”, was a good moral example for our generation. Believe it or not I tried to raise our 4 kids in the same way. We did alright. And then they went off to college. But they sowed their wild oats and came back to sanity where the upbringing is showing in their lives. I say if my wife and I could do that with our 4 why can’t society do that today. I just think that maybe parents aren’t as concerned about their kids as we grew up to be with ours, or they are glad to let society teach them. Too bad.

sandraleesmith46

We had “Father Knows Best”,”Leave It to Beaver”, the Donna Reed show and JOHN WAYNE to grow up to! Somewhere around the mid ’60s, it went off the rails really bad. The Bible tells us that if you train up a child in the way he should go, when he is old he will not depart from it; sounds like you did that and succeeded with your kids; so well done. I never had any, after raising my siblings. I think parents abdicated parenting and tried to be “pals” to their kids. That never works well. Also many substituted things for time spent with their kids, another fail. Too busy keeping up with the Jones’.

Manuel Gonzales

Sounds like we both watched the same 3 channels that existed back then. It is too bad we have to grow up. I would have loved to have stayed in the 50s as a teenager. Those were the best years. It is a shame the world has to get worse as the years go by. I think we should both thank God for our 71 years of living and that we lived during the best years of the world.

sandraleesmith46

Agreed. NYC was near enough that we had more than 3 channels and even had a “Late, Late, Late Show” that came on about 0300; used to watch old Jeanette MacDonald/Nelson Eddy operettas on the weekends, when I was in grade school.

Manuel Gonzales

0300?? Wow. I had to be in bed by 9:00 PM. We didn’t get any of those programs you have mentioned. I don’t think I would have watched them. Mine were Hop along Cassidy and Cisco Kid. Captain video was a good one.
Well Sandra it has been fun and nice visiting and sharing good memories.
I wish you the best, and enjoy your retirement as I am. Listening for the SHOUT!!

sandraleesmith46

We had Hoppy and Cisco too; I loved both of them. In fact, I saw Hoppy live at the Ringling brothers circus when we were 7 and he was touring with them. I’ve enjoyed it too, Manuel; I’m listening, for the trumpets and shout, because I do believe it’s that close and look forward to meeting you there. God bless you and your family.

EFREN VARGAS, M.D.

THANK YOU MANUEL. President Obama, is missing the love of american citizen, no because he is muslin, homosexual, cocaine user, present a male dress as woman as wife.
No we are beautiful people, we take you for whom you are.
President Obama needs to speak the true, tell us who you are Sir.
I will love to love you, I do not care if you are homosexual, and if you in my presence overdose with cocaine or crack, I will do everything in my power not to let you die.
Mr Obama, America wants to love you, you are missing the dream you promise to us, we can forgive you, we are repairing all the damage you have done to us.
You are missing our love.
We are going to love you, just the way you are.
We will never accept you as long as you continue lying to us.
We are noble people.
We want to love, but never accept to be abused in the name of love, this is one of the reason we have high rate of divorce. Lovefren.

MIKE6080

dont care what homosexuals do to each other as long as they dont infringe on my rights and stay away from me

Busdriver Bill

Where does the State of Colorado search, to find these folks who are the “Colorado Civil Rights Commission?” How is it that a state bureau can be so one sided in its definition of “civil rights?” It sounds more like a revolutionary band, than a state bureau for civil rights – or perhaps an LGBTQ(ZKWM,whatever) club. We’d all be better served,were they to have their little “daisy-chain” in the privacy of their very own closet – seems to me. Meanwhile, while our supposedly democratically chosen government is making lasting judgement for us all, Rome is aflame, and I just can’t seem to wrest the fiddle from the hands of leadership. Our wonderful ship-of-state plows full speed through the cold waters of history, and I’d swear I’ve seen icebergs – aha, but the ship is unsinkable, no? (Anybody bothered lately to read Gibbons)? (Or, for that matter, Orwell)?

M5460

man and woman heterosexual marriage have rights too. Same sex marriage should NOT be FORCED on those who don’t want it. Heterosexual marriage should be honored and respected just as much as same sex marriage, Period.

Billy Wages

You are WRONG. Same sex marriages should not be honored, respected or even tolerated.

sandraleesmith46

Whatever the SCOTUS decides on this isn’t going to change my mind about celebrating or condoning homosexual unions as “marriages”, period; it violates GOD’s laws, and they are supreme over even the Constitution! There ends the discussion.

Mark

I vow to NEVER “celebrate or embrace or accept” Same-Sex-Marriage!!!
I’ve set my destination as Heaven, and not Hell

Gary Burkhardt

That should be an individual decision. Also if we even condon it on a individual basis.

MichaelZZ

Friendship
Partnership
Love
Marriage
Sex (n)
Sensuality

Before a subject can be rationally discussed, terms must be defined.

Friendship: A relationship between two persons who like one another.
Partnership: A relationship between two persons with agreed stipulations and parameters
Love: Very ambiguous, amorphous, et cetera, but let’s try…. Affection towards another
Marriage: A specific type of partnership, between a man and a woman – can be a legal or a religious partnership or both
Sex: Intercourse between a man an a woman
Sensuality: Indulgence in sensual pleasures

A marriage is a partnership between one man and one woman, which can include friendship, love, sex, and sensuality, which has been established by society as a core element in its foundation.

If a crucifix in a jar of urine displayed in a museum is freedom of speech than so is a Christian baker’s denial to create a special cake celebrating 2 male homosexuals’ marriage. Seems to me that there are a lot more Christians and others supportive of the Judeo-Christian basis of our Country then there are homosexuals who are outside of the biological imperative of marriage being between a male and a female. The Supreme Court erred big time in affirming the Constitutional rights of homosexuals to marry. Two “justices”, and I use this term very loosely in speaking of Ginsberg and Kagan, refused to recuse despite having a conflict of interest as they both officiated at “gay” marriages. Therefore, the “extremes” did not approve of “gay” marriage, which is a misnomer as these outliers of heterosexual biology are neither gay nor granted any rights under the Constitution which would require a Constitutional Amendment not homosexual Barry and the bullies in the LGBTQXYZ community using judicial and legislative illegal fraud to push their abnormal biological behavior upon the heterosexual majority. What about freedom of religion? The ACLU has argued that Muslims have the right to perform genital mutilation upon females due to their religion? Really! The left – eg. commies and perverts who want to destroy this Republic must be stopped. The Founders were well aware of homosexual and transvestite behavior yet did not guarantee any special rights to these people. Women required a constitutional amendment to vote. African Americans required a constitutional amendment to be free citizens and to vote. I can enumerate many other examples but you get the point, Why are biological outliers given special rights? They can obtain legal protection with domestic partnerships – but not good enough as their agenda is for biological equality with heterosexuals. Furthermore, it is child abuse for homosexuals and transexuals to adopt children in order to try and change their biological predestination. This society has gone mad when potential adopters are denied the right to adopt a child if they do not agree with the homosexual and transgender agenda. Bull dung! Enough with this bullying and crying discrimination where none exists. My Hebrew religion calls this behavior an abomination. Others are free to disagree but not to prevent my freedom of speech and thought. Human society on the whole has been very tolerant regarding sexual preferences if one looks at history. Someday, science will discover what causes these biological outliers and then we can evaluate this preference for sexual relations among the same sex and the mis-perception of ones’ biological sex not being their preferred identity. Are these genetic, hormonal,viral or mental disorders? We need to find out before granting rights. Just as we would not permit an anorexic to serve in the military due to bodily misperception of being fat when the person is emaciated, why were transexuals given these rights by a homosexual faux president
married to a transexual?

MichaelZZ

The U.S. Supreme Court appears to have made an “emotional” 5-4 ruling, rather than using law and rational and logical thought in that decision and the California Prop 8 law.

Justice Kennedy suggested he voted against Prop. 8 because it was supported by mean-spirited people. Apparently, the Justice can read minds and even if that were a valid thought, there is no basis in law to validate his vote.

As long as there are imperfections, there will always be “problems” and challenges.

There has been a perception that the concept of “gay marriage” was rational and was being denied, unlawfully (Constitutionally).

Thus, the matter has been perceived as a problem.

1. The first step in problem-solving is the recognition of a problem.
2. Next, for this particular possible problem, we must define marriage.

Let’s begin with dissembling marriage, i.e. if there were no marriage:
how would a society be affected? —

Think about it; marriage, in any form, does not exist —-

20 men could live with one woman —-
20 women could live with one man —

What might be the rules, if any, about responsibility for children?
One might assume the rules would be the same as they are, now, i.e., both biological parents would be responsible.

Would it make sense to promulgate laws that would stimulate biological parents to consider some type of union, which would include themselves and their biological children?

IS IT POSSIBLE:
1. The natural attraction of humans is to the opposite gender.
2. There are approximately 50% males and 50% females.
3. A rational society would establish laws that would promote stimulating biological parents to raise their children.
4. The concept of marriage is a core of the fabric of any civilized society.
ASSUME THERE WERE NO CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE:
1. Chaos.
2. Wealthy males or females would tend to have many “controlled” relationships, leaving a natural imbalance.
3. A greater proportion of children would not be raised by their biological parents.
A catalyst for our current “confusion”; the UNLIMITED MARITAL TAX DEDUCTION.
CONCEPT: There should be human rights, not black, white, gay, or any other biased rights.
Food 4 thought…………….
mz
03/06/2015mikiesmoky@aol.com
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CONCEPT: Almost all (guess 96.4033%) of politicians have embedded within their DNA the need to lie.
Regarding “gay marriage”, it appears to be an irrational and ridiculous term.
A rational descriptor might be “gay relationship”.

We, via our Constitution and legislation, should establish what we believe to be “human rights”, which should apply to all within our nation’s jurisdiction.

We should not establish “special” rights, e.g., particular codifications within the IRS code that are applicable to provide “special” benefits to particular persons, companies, or industries.

The term “gay marriage” appears to be an oxymoron and an attempt at squeezing a “square peg into a round hole”, since marriage (a partnership between a man and a woman) is a core concept of any rational society.

IS IT POSSIBLE:
1. The natural attraction of humans is to the opposite gender.
2. There are approximately 50% males and 50% females.
3. A rational society would establish laws that would promote stimulating biological parents to raise their children.
4. The concept of marriage is a core of the fabric of any civilized society.

ASSUME THERE WERE NO CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE:
1. Chaos.
2. Wealthy males or females would tend to have many “controlled” relationships, leaving a natural imbalance.
3. A greater proportion of children would not be raised by their biological parents.

A catalyst for our current “confusion”; the UNLIMITED MARITAL TAX DEDUCTION.

CONCEPT: There should be human rights, not black, white, gay, or any other biased rights.

REGARDING: There is no social necessity that ONLY heterosexuals have the right to marry who THEY want or are attracted to.

RESPONSE: Sorry Charlie…, but there are many reasons that emphasize social necessities.

1. Natural order
2. Rationale for 1 man, 1 women is due to that about 50% are men and 50% are women – what if on wealthy woman (man) could “marry” 100 men (women)? How would that affect society.
3. Social order.
4. Promote children being raised by biological parents or the balance of a man and a woman.
5. And so on……….

Well, if as an auto detailer [I’m not other than cleaning out the truck when I don’t have any room for passengers], I would refuse to paint an obscenity or anti-American, anti-Christ, or to support or portray the teachings or agenda of a religion or group that exemplifies hate or the destruction of mankind. Like “No shoes, No shirt, No service unless at the pool or beach”, “the establishment retains the right to decide what constitutes acceptable manufacture of its products”,”What you do with it after it leaves the property is your business AND RESPONSIBILITY”. If I were a baker, I would say “sure I’ll bake your cake, take it to the decorator of your choice for embellishment”, have a nice day.

Joseph C Moore USN Ret

Good reply: “i’ll bake your cake, take it to the decorator of your choice for embellishment”.

Kevin S

The militant homosexuals have not missed the point about someone opposing an idea. They just have no tolerance for anything normal or in line with Nature’s intentions. They know what they do is a crime against Nature, but, in their mental derangement, they believe that we heterosexuals are the degenerates, and that homosexuality must be forced upon everyone. It’s the ultimate delusional fantasy.
One they especially want to force upon the most innocent among us.
They’re her. They’re queer. And they want our children….

Nikita63

I do not give a DAMN what the SJC decides: THIS American Citizen Soldier, disabled in loyal service to the constitution in Vietnam 50 years ago these filthy frauds in D.C. ignore and disdain along with the betrayal of EVERY FOUNDING PRINCIPLE UPON WHICH THIS COUNTRY WAS CREATED, will NEVER comply with anything that violates Common Sense, Guaranteed Bill of Right Freedoms and choices., and the Rule of Law. I believe that Seniors, Veterans and the rapidly shrinking , raped and robbed both morally and fiscally Middle Class will not tolerate forced acceptance of these idiotic policies. In the end, if pushed far enough, the issues WILL be settled one of two ways; not because I say so, but because History is replete with prior examples world wide and it can happen here, those are by the ballot or the bullet. So utterly corrupt are BOTH parties it is likely to be the latter. period. And this is EXACTLY what the New World Order wants and has for DECADES!

Fox Ealem

If I bought Hot Kave at Mickey D’s, walked next door to Burger King and spilled it on myself can I sue the Burger King employee that bumped into me, the “Piso Mojado” sign I tripped over first, or should I sue Mickey D’s for the temperature of the Kave? Get a grip, if you see a sign the says ‘Chinese Food’ don’t walk in and sue because they won’t sell you a cheeseburger and fries, or because the sign doesn’t say LGBT welcome? A baker bakes cakes and should not be required to make political billboards to pass Culinary Academy. If,(he is still under fire) an individual owns a VERY large 4th generation family-owned pig farm, and a Muslim garners enough financial backing from dubious sources to purchase land proximal to mine, why can he sue the owner demanding removal of the pigs due to them being a crime to his religion?

Joseph C Moore USN Ret

What ever happened to freedom OF religion. This is a right of the individual that has nothing to do with discrimination (except, perhaps in the avowal of strict Muslims to create a World Caliphate which means, eradicating ALL non Muslims).

Obie Miller

This is a very good article! it is pretty obvious though, that some people will probably not understand the difference.

Judith Daley

As far as I’m concerned, the Supreme Court had “no right” to change the definition of marriage period. They went over God’s Head in this instance and will probably pay for it when they die and have to answer to God that their decision is without consequences.

harold

Every human being with all of their facilities will give an answer to the one God of heaven, and they will be judged according to the one Book of all Truth the Word of a living God!

Ronf789

I’m angry that gays believe that their relationship supersedes any individual’s religious belief and/or practice. The first amendment makes that unconstitutional when the government supports that belief by law, ordinances, and/or regulations. The Supreme Court cannot force people to do things that violate their religious beliefs. YET, THERE IS A CHANCE THAT IT MAY DO JUST THAT BECAUSE THE JUSTICES THINK THEY KNOW BETTER THAN OUR FOREFATHERS. OUTRAGEOUS!!!

Fox Ealem

The news is that gay, wups, Gay men make 10% more than straight men, so if I were a baker, I would gladly take their money for the cake, then send them to the decorator of choice to pay them. That way it is a win-win. I might even offer to have the basic cake delivered to the decorator of their choice [at a small delivery charge].

Keith Kilby

The answer us NO! We do NOT have to “celebrate” same sex weddings. This is an abomination and should not be “celebrated” by ANYONE!

Sgt. York

No way that this old man will think it’s any thing other than between a Man and a Woman. Anything other is an insult to God and brother he will take care of that crap when the lawbreakers get before him.

Sgt. York

Not in my eyes and no damn SCOTUS can change my mind . God is the one who will take care of it.

Ms.clark

I feel like what’s happening to this Baker because he’s a Christian he’s being targeted I feel some gay people are just evil anytime you go to a baker and they tell you that they don’t believe in same-sex marriage and don’t want to make you a cake that should be their choice and they don’t want to go against their religion but the gay couple want to be evil and want to take away his livelihood that’s evil I believe they’re targeting Christians because they feel that they have the Supreme Court in their back pocket and the Supreme Court goes right along with this it’s wrong there more Bakers in that state or county that they were in they could have perfectly say okay you don’t believe in same-sex marriage will take our business elsewhere but no what they do they want to destroy the baker’s livelihood and business that’s bullying and being evil and if the Supreme Court can’t see that then they are blinded as they say justice is blind.

Robert Wayne

These faggot freaks who are trying to ruin the lives of good people all belong at the end of a noose.

SKULLTAKER

AGREED !

Manuel Gonzales

If the homos wanted a cake why didn’t they have one made at a gay cake shop? It was that easy. If there wasn’t a gay cake shop then they could have learned how to bake and opened one up for their kind.

sandraleesmith46

In LEFTIST Denver? There were probably more who would have cheerfully baked that cake than would have turned them down! My sister lives in Aurora and deplores how far left that city has gone.

Manuel Gonzales

My daughter lived in Denver in the 90s before she married and moved to Indiana. When we would go visit I had an eery feeling just walking around. I understand there was a satan church on a hill somewhere and that there are a lot of Satanist there. I’m glad my daughter doesn’t live there anymore. I am still a Broncos fan though I don’t go to Denver to watch the games while I can get a better seat in front of my TV.

sandraleesmith46

I lived in nearby Brighton back in the ’70s but left because of health issues the cold winters aggravated. There was a Satanic temple there and I’m sure it still is; the relatively new airport is rife with Satanic images. I’m glad your daughter doesn’t live there any longer too; and I wish my sister didn’t too.

gotabgood

That’s because you don’t think.
If there is a shop right around the corner and we are in America, why should I have travel across town or the next city to get my cake made?

Billy Wages

Your convenience does not override our God given, Constitutionally guaranteed, way of life.

Larry Brule

gays are fake. just sick people that need help.

sandraleesmith46

Not fake; delusional and broken; in need of therapy and redemption alike.

gotabgood

Then help them… stop condemning and calling them names. problem solved….. at least on your end.

Mere Marlo

If they decide YES there is no justice and freedom in America any longer. A man or woman should be able to contract or not to provide a service. There are always others in their profession who would provide the service. LBGT are getting obnoxious about their alternate lifestyle. They have NO RIGHT to force or insist that anyone should acquiesce to their wishes.

The Supreme Court is supposed to Interpret the law NOT make the law. The first Amendment is the law of our land and the first thing it says is “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

the supreme court is obligated to rule that forcing someone to go against their religious personal beliefs so someone else can throw in their face a blatant disregard for those beliefs would be unconstiutional and violate the first amendment right of everyone concerning religious freedom and beliefs. As a Person who is a bible believer new covenant saint if someone wanted me as a pastor to perform a Satanic wedding I would have to decline it is totally opposite of what I believe is right and moral or good. The same sex couples have deliberately been targeted business such as florist shops, bake shops, wedding chapels to force their PERSONAL belief on others and demanding we all MUST celebrate and agree with them. That is putting one belief above another something Congress even is NOT allowed to do. Congress is the ONLY one that can CHANGE the amendment laws and the first one as written is one they are NOT supposed to change but uphold. People who are same sex have every right to believe it is okay for them to be married as a wedded couple. God gives everyone free choice and will.

The Supreme Court ruled Same sex folk have the right to marry one another and live as married. It did NOT give them and cannot give them the right to infringe or force their belief on other people and sadly that is what the Federal courts are doing and the law suits are about. I did not and do not agree that Attorney General Lyle Ferguson had any right to sue a Florist because it went against her own religious convictions to get flowers ready in celebration of something she believes in NOT okay and goes against her beliefs. She lost and lost her business and everything so some couple could rub it in a gloat. That is NOT love it is NOT getting along it is pure selfish hate saying “NAH NAH NAH you have to bake us a cake, perform a marriage ceremony or make us flowers reflecting our union of marriage even though WE KNOW you do not believe it is morally right for us to do this.

If The Supreme Court rules against the cake baker they are basically stating we no longer have a government of, by and for the people and our constiutional amendments are no longer in effect or valid. I Will not as an associate pastor hold a wedding ceremony for a same sex couple. Put me in prison. Fine me, throw me in a fiery furnace, or a lions den but I won’t bow down to disobeying my God and his laws which are above all man made governments and laws. As Children of God and Christ we need to stand our ground even unto death of need. All the supreme court did was agree marriage can be between a man and man, woman and woman, man and woman or whatever a dork and doorpost so to speak. That does NOT mean the LBTG have any right to demand we serve them in a way that goes against our beliefs and that is what this is about. I do not believe this is going to happen. Congress has the responsibilty and power if Supreme Court says people have to serve Same Sex couples when it goes against their very fiber and core beliefs and values to over turn and over rule the Supreme court and should have done so at least by clarifying what the Supreme court did rule on a couple years ago.

I personally know Same Sex couples, I do not hate them, I am not afraid to talk to them or even sit and eat a meal with them; some are related, some acquaintances; some friends I do not agree with their way of lifestyle and being married but that is still their right but they need to find people who believe as they do to make a cake, bouquet, or do their ceremonies not seek people they know won’t do it.

This is includes attending church services. Churches have the right to refuse same sex marriage couples to attend as it goes against their moral and religious beliefs. Such folk can go to churches who do accept them and there are many who have churches they can attend and places that will serve them. Basically in many churches if they are homosexual they need to be celebate and abstain live as a spiritual Eunuch and single as the Apostle Paul did. If they want to go to churches against Same Sex marriage.

One NOTE most the churches out there today mainstream so called “Christians” NEED to understand being under a 501c3 the government can and will tell them what to do. What to say, what to teach and preach if they wish. However Freewill churches not under 501c3 do not have to do this as they are freewill they are not subjected to government dictates of religion or politics inside the church.

gotabgood

You said mouth full there…. let me get my understanding right with your comment…. Making a cake, when open to the public to make cakes, doesn’t give you the right to refuse service to someone because you believe something different than them. Or making the cake doesn’t involve you in their ceremonies. Do we agree?

SKULLTAKER

Two Words NOT in the U.S. Constitution -Marriage and Homosexuals ! Marriage has always been a States Rights Issue, the SCOTUS took on the Role to legislate from the Bench instead Interpret the Law !
a Jewish Kosher Deli and a Muslim Halal Deli will NEVER sell Pork or any Un-Clean products in their shops and a Baker or Florist should NOT have to Violate their Religious Beliefs to serve Deviants suffering from a Mental Illness !

denniscerasoli

It’s really simple on religious grounds and the difference between Gay marriage and interracial marriage is apples to oranges. A Christian refuses on religious grounds when it comes to the Gay community and marriage, but the same can’t be said about interracial marriage in the New Testament. Jesus said, a husband could have only one wife with no mention of race or nationality, whereas Roman’s chapter one verses 26 and 27 clarifies clearly why a Christian couldn’t take part in anything of that nature pertaining to Gay weddings.

Estell Newton

Businesses owners have rights too.

MasterTheDream

I agree that the ban on same sex marriage was unconstitutional, just like the ban on women and blacks voting was.
But I also think that people who disagree for whatever reason should have the right to not support it in a lawful way.

Richard Fox

just bake the cake their money is just as good as anyone else but you have people that don’t like different life goes on the couple will get married baker lost money

Jeannie

The courts can make their decision…I for one, will NEVER CELEBRATE same sex marriage. To me, it will always be wrong..God not create two men or two women. God made a man and a woman for one reason!!

lv4921391

Erwin Chemerinsky is a political hack, always has been…no wonder he ended up as dean

Bernie Buerman

Who gives a crap how these people bend. Please quit shoving it down our throats, especially the children.

Jerome Ruebinawitz

If Phillips ran a moslem bakery …the boys would not even have entered the bakery. Boycott Colorado

shafawn

What kind of country have we become that Christians are FORCED to celebrate homosexuality or be charged, ridiculed, fined and lose their businesses???

Apolloone

What kind of country” the “Daughter of Babylon” Over 100 characteristics given by five different prophets living hundreds of years apart that fit America like tailor made gloves. For certain it’s a singular nation, not a church which is spiritual; Babylon. I will list only ten of those.

Apolloone

1.Has a mother nation England?

shafawn

Ok waiting for the list. This is interesting. See I always thought Babylon would be America too but all these people recently said oh no it’s the Catholic church united with government that will be Babylon. So I don’t know anymore. Definitely America fits but Europe fell to the spirit of the anti-Christ before America did. They are further down the road in open rebellion but we are tight on their heels.

Ron Dapo

The shop owner OFFERED the male couple, to sell them ANYTHING in the shop. His only objectionable action was not depicting,two males on a wedding cake. This is his GOD GIVEN RIGHT. He is not compelled BY ANY LAW to celebrate GAY MARRIAGE. This is not hate or discrimination by any stretch of the imagination.

siamterry

What a bunch of fuckwits you all are 🙁 Just glued to the sound of your own voices spouting rubbish 🙁

Billy Wages

And, yet, Here you are…

Henry Gregg Nash

Don’t we should celebrate a gay marriage. jf they want a big gala, they should get their gay friends to make their cakes and other party gift. They shouldn’t get mad at other people if others don’t want to acknowledge their celebration.

kayturley

Seldom do I ever celebrate anyone’s wedding. No matter who. I celebrated my own because it was important to me. I don’t care who marry’s who. More power to you. Just because I may not approve of certain lifestyles, but that’s just me. In 20 years who cares?

My country

It doesn’t matter what the Supreme Court rules I will not abide by their decisions .I don’t believe in that crap .And if they want to push the issue then we need to uphold the Dredd Scott decision. That decision is one they made and people would not honor it We don’t have to obey that crap either .The decision made blacks the property of whites .Do you think we should uphold that law ?

Rodney Steward

I think this is one ruling that is not Constitutional to make and should have never gotten this far at all! If they wanted a queer cake they should have went to a queer to bake it, but no, just had to start trouble, just like the BLM, ACLU, Antifa, NAACP, SPLC, LPGASZHOL, all just trouble makers being paid by one person that should be banned from America like a few other countries have, George Soros!! Constant chaos, the work of Satan!

Jo Ann Kowalski

Mr Steward u r right again. But I am laughing how michelle aka michael obummer is saying she/he is sexy. Lol it had its face done by our money. Whoever looked at it needs glasses oops I forgot baracky husseiny obummer found it. GOD forgive me. But this country is falling apart.

Rodney Steward

LOLOL, and you’re RIGHT AGAIN also, and I hope WE don’t have to pay for this stupid cake when it’s over, and yes Jo Ann, this country is going quick!! 🙂

Jesusprotectus

Our Father, who art in Heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
On earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us.
LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION,
BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL.
Amen

In Christianity, we are expected to renounce the sin and love the sinner.

Jack was renouncing the sin, and no one should be forced to go against their religion, their conscience and God.

As a Catholic, I do not condone gayness, I condone privacy. Live and let live, and quit the bullying of acceptance…gays have come out for spousal benefits, I get that…..but they are crossing the line now, in denying basic religious liberty, like this case.

ROBERT WAYNE

These homosexual freaks are suing Jack Phillips because he happens to be a straight Christian which they hate. Don’t tell me these faggots aren’t the spawn of Satan. They’d love nothing more than to destroy this whole country.

James Bell

The truth be told what this CASE is really all about is…will homosexuals be allowed to “push homosexuality onto other people” at will?…which of course is part of… “the homosexual lifestyle” .

Lets hope to God the answer in no.

It’s time to put them back into the closet.

Rest assured, they are “the enemy” to everything God has put into place in a normal functioning society.

Carol Juliano Popp

I don’t care if people want to have a same sex marriage. However, don’t shove it down my throat and don’t expect me to go against my religion for it.

Mo

If the cake maker loses, it means that Queers rights mean more than anybody elses do. The Supreme Court got the Gay Marriage wrong and lets hope that they get this one right or we are all can be treated like second class citizens compared to Queers. Frankly I find their way off life disgusting and immoral and against the will of God but if the Queers want to punch their tickets straight to HELL who are we to stop them. They do not nor should they be treated any differently than any one else. NO SPECIAL TREATMENT JUST BECAUSE THEIR QUEER!

DAVID LEATHERMAN

HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGES ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO GOD, SAME AS LEZZIES, THIS IS A PUSH BY SATIN TO DEVOUR AS MANY AS HE CAN BEFORE HIS TIME IS UP , AND THOSE THAT GET SUCKED INTO THIS FORM OF LIFE WILL BE SORRY IN THE END. GOD WILL HAVE HIS REVENGE ON THEM, BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS , REVENGE IS MINE SAYES THE LORD.

Guest

The object of the “free market” is that every individual and business is free to do business with whom, how and when they please. “We reserve the right to refuse service” to anyone we damn well please as long as no one’s denying life saving procedures that are the moral and ethical responsibility of certain public services. No one’s going to die or be inconvenienced if they have to find someone to bake their damn cake for their crazy lifestyle.

james Conner

It’s not a right as to speak, even Bill Clinton said Marriage is that of one Woman and one Man. Marriage is meant for procreation and a bond between a Man and Woman.
Our Country was founded on “One Country under God” and the Atheist have been pounding on Politicians to change the “Holy Bible” which is the foundation of our Constitution. Gays have always had in the closet partners and they can not procreate a anal child. Come on people have you thrown out the book Deuteronomy from the Holy Bible. Even, Islamic Muslims throw Gays off Buildings or Behead them for sins against the Holy Quran. Nope (Gay Obama) pressured and politicized the Supreme Court to stick their nose into the Marriage Factor for Gays, in the name of LOVE.
Obama had to make his Marriage to Michael legal.

RG ODOM

THE FAGGOT COMMUNITY WANT’S IT THEIR WAY.

WHAT WE HAVE HERE ARE TWO SHIT PACKERS WHO FOUND A MARK FOR A LAWSUIT, I BET YOU IF YOU TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE COLORADO COMMISSION YOU’LL FIND IT PACKED WITH GAYS.

I’M FED UP WITH TURNING ON MY TV AND I SEE MR GAY AMERICA TALKING ABOUT HIS HUSBAND
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO TO BE “MR GAY AMERICA” SUCK THE CHROME OFF A TRAILER HITCH OR SUCK A BASKET BALL THROUGH A GARDEN HOSE.

THESE FREAK DEGENERATES ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO DESTROY OUR CHRISTIAN BELIEFS, TEACHING OUR CHILDREN IN KINDERGARTEN ABOUT GAY LIFE , BEING TRANS GENDERED CROSS DRESSING THEM. IT’S GOT TO STOP.

ONLY THEIR TWISTED RIGHTS MATTER, THEY DO NOT WANT THE STRAIGHT COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN PEACE, PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION AND PERUSE THEIR WORK THE WAY THEY WANT.

G.Frazier

I use to work with a man, who sided with anyone he presumed to be his friend. Online, three years ago, another former member of the same group (this was a Deaf missions organization, mind you) used Facebook for his coming out party and all but demanded he’d been born “gay” (that’s a word I don’t use for homosexuals because I’ve seen the barhops, who are out looking for happiness, when I was looking to bring Deaf homosexuals back to righteousness).
Anyhow, the man, menionted first – above, sides with the world because he never really walked with the Lord. So, when you find people, who are on the outside, looking in, about any unGodly practice, he will tend to join them.

So, to make matters worse, he criticized me for other things and even went so far as to become sarcastic, which also shows his immaturity.

When I held my ground, he decided he would no longer speak to me, which is fine. The religious leaders of Christ’s day refused to speak to Him, didn’t they? The worldly people, even those, who consider themselves to be religiously righteous – or, you might say, SELF-RIGH-TEOUS!
Before you knew it, I was out of this guy’s “friends” list. As if I were ever his friend, you know.

My point is this: Those, in the world, demand that their way is perfect and will result to any method, they can find, to force their ideals on us.
They will insult us, while demanding that we are wrong to fight fire with fire.

You always know you’re right, when this starts happening.

Joan Laurie

This is a travesty of justice for the baker who also has rights to decline baking a cake for an LHBT wedding which is against his conscience & religious beliefs. I pray the Supreme court will come down with our Bill of Rights & our Constitution in favor with the baker who rights have been violated.