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Souo may have died, but the thing that drew me to DTB was hei kicking ass... and we only got that in the 1st and ninth episodes. Very disappointing... that's what you get when the moe-takus have taken over...

Souo may have died, but the thing that drew me to DTB was hei kicking ass... and we only got that in the 1st and ninth episodes. Very disappointing... that's what you get when the moe-takus have taken over...

She actually has been dead for a long time. Remember the past? Her brother used his contractor powers to pretty much make a clone of her of how she would have been in the future. I'm confident and pretty happy to say she died, Hei doesn't need her.

Well, now that Suou is gone, Hei can get back to the things that REALLY matter. Like molesting more children.

The ending of S2 has been bothering me, so I thought I'd run this idea past the people on this forum.

Has anyone considered that Hei may be Izanagi? At least in part?

Spoiler for Ep. 12 - S2:

At the end, when Hei used his god-like power over matter and energy which made his star blaze like a supernova, the scene immediately switched to Suou and July on Earth 2. This suggests that by killing Yin, Hei helped to 'split heaven and earth' and sent Suou, July and the others to Earth 2. That would explain Hei's (sad?) smile when Yin tells him there is still enough time, kill her, i.e. there is still time to save some of humanity by killing her. Thus, saving some of the people on earth (or maybe their copies) would partially assuage Hei's guilt for causing Izanami's evolution and dooming billions of people to a future apocalypse. (Everyone but Hei, that is, since he has a Shinto goddess in love with him.) That would explain why he went off the deep end and became an alcoholic whose only purpose in life was to wait around for an opportunity to kill Yin.

In part, Shion is Izanagi because he created the copy of earth, but he didn't complete the process since he was dead before Suou went to Earth 2. Plus, in the myth, Izanagi and Izanami are in love with each other. Then Izanami dies and goes to the underworld, whereupon Izanagi follows and finds her transformed into a decaying corpse. Izanagi is forced to prevent her return to the living world. That part of the legend fits Hei far better than Shion.

With regard to what ultimately happens to Hei, that seemed deliberately ambiguous in order to allow for a 3rd season involving the newly introduced characters. Unfortunately, I think the writers have an impossible task to create a storyline featuring Hei and his overwhelming powers and still keep it within a DTB-type universe.

I suppose you could explain it away by positing that Hei may or may not have any conscious control over these greater powers. There have been a few scenes which showed him "glowing" without his eyes going red. I suspect that the creators were originally using that in S1 to suggest that Bai (or Pai) was operating through him, and to set up the conclusion to S1. However, at the end of S1, Hei consciously used that power to destroy the Saturn Ring. That left a big plot hole in the OVAs (so far) and S2 which was never explained. Since Hei is shown in the final episode using his powers in a more complex way, I don't see how anyone can ignore the issue any longer.

So, basically, Hei turned into a demi-god. The creator, Tensai Okamura, did say that he thought Hei's story couldn't go any farther.

As to where Hei ends up in the final shot of the episode, I don't think he's on Earth 2. When the animators showed the real sky, it always looked to me like they put in the Big Dipper and/or the moon. The last shot of Hei didn't have either. And considering how they've portrayed Hei's character, he wouldn't run off and leave the earth at the mercy of Kagu-Tsuchi, aka the antichrist, aka the coffin-kid. So I guess Hei is stuck in some alternate dimension or he's on earth.

So, are my ideas complete crap? Or not?

Edited 7-4-10 to include this:
I think Mechalord was correct that Hei is some sort of living meteor fragment and causes the people around him to evolve. Therefore, Hei really can't be around other people, which is why he's the "cursed contractor" and disappears at the end of Ep. 12.

The ending of S2 has been bothering me, so I thought I'd run this idea past the people on this forum.

Has anyone considered that Hei may be Izanagi? At least in part?

Spoiler for Ep. 12 - S2:

At the end, when Hei used his god-like power over matter and energy which made his star blaze like a supernova, the scene immediately switched to Suou and July on Earth 2. This suggests that by killing Yin, Hei helped to 'split heaven and earth' and sent Suou, July and the others to Earth 2. That would explain Hei's (sad?) smile when Yin tells him there is still enough time, kill her, i.e. there is still time to save some of humanity by killing her. Thus, saving some of the people on earth (or maybe their copies) would partially assuage Hei's guilt for causing Izanami's evolution and dooming billions of people to a future apocalypse. (Everyone but Hei, that is, since he has a Shinto goddess in love with him.) That would explain why he went off the deep end and became an alcoholic whose only purpose in life was to wait around for an opportunity to kill Yin.

In part, Shion is Izanagi because he created the copy of earth, but he didn't complete the process since he was dead before Suou went to Earth 2. Plus, in the myth, Izanagi and Izanami are in love with each other. Then Izanami dies and goes to the underworld, whereupon Izanagi follows and finds her transformed into a decaying corpse. Izanagi is forced to prevent her return to the living world. That part of the legend fits Hei far better than Shion.

With regard to what ultimately happens to Hei, that seemed deliberately ambiguous in order to allow for a 3rd season involving the newly introduced characters. Unfortunately, I think the writers have an impossible task to create a storyline featuring Hei and his overwhelming powers and still keep it within a DTB-type universe.

I suppose you could explain it away by positing that Hei may or may not have any conscious control over these greater powers. There have been a few scenes which showed him "glowing" without his eyes going red. I suspect that the creators were originally using that in S1 to suggest that Bai (or Pai) was operating through him, and to set up the conclusion to S1. However, at the end of S1, Hei consciously used that power to destroy the Saturn Ring. That left a big plot hole in the OVAs (so far) and S2 which was never explained. Since Hei is shown in the final episode using his powers in a more complex way, I don't see how anyone can ignore the issue any longer.

So, basically, Hei turned into a demi-god. The creator, Tensai Okamura, did say that he thought Hei's story couldn't go any farther.

As to where Hei ends up in the final shot of the episode, I don't think he's on Earth 2. When the animators showed the real sky, it always looked to me like they put in the Big Dipper and/or the moon. The last shot of Hei didn't have either. And considering how they've portrayed Hei's character, he wouldn't run off and leave the earth at the mercy of Kagu-Tsuchi, aka the antichrist, aka the coffin-kid. So I guess Hei is stuck in some alternate dimension or he's on earth.

So, are my ideas complete crap? Or not?

Edited 7-4-10 to include this:
I think Mechalord was correct that Hei is some sort of living meteor fragment and causes the people around him to evolve. Therefore, Hei really can't be around other people, which is why he's the "cursed contractor" and disappears at the end of Ep. 12.

No. They stated that Suou's brother was Izanagi. Hei is a human with contractor power, he can give powers to people, but bad things happen around him constantly. Of course he disappears at the end of Season 2. He's wanted. Not only that, everyone he knew and had a real relationship with DIED.

I can't recall who said that Shion was Izanagi. Madame Oreille? I'm not sure you can depend on the characters to always say the truth, only the truth as they know it. About giving powers to people, that may be part of why bad things happen around him. That and the fact he's been a top assassin for the last 12 years and knows way too much about the various intelligence agencies.

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Of course he disappears at the end of Season 2. He's wanted. Not only that, everyone he knew and had a real relationship with DIED.

At the end of S1, Hei was trying to disappear but obviously couldn't do an effective job with Yin accompanying him. I'm not sure how many people realized that Hei without Yin stood a much better chance of evading the various groups still after him.

Spoiler for S2:

But Yin was effectively dead to him at the end of the OADs, i.e. the start of S2. Hei was only hanging around to kill Yin, or what's left of Yin, when he got the chance. That's the reason he didn't disappear but instead started working for the CIA. At least that's my interpretation of S2. But what did he think that was going to accomplish? Stopping the apocalypse? He said he didn't care about that and he didn't stop that kid from emerging in the end. So, he only killed Yin to put her out of her misery and that was all he did? I agree that is a possible interpretation. I just wish the writers/animators/Okamura had done a better job explaining what happened.

Spoiler for Ep. 12, S2:

So now that Hei has no one and cares about nothing, he rides off into the sunset, so to speak? To try to disappear forever?

To me, that seems rather depressing, but in retrospect, Hei never had much of a happy life. I suppose that leaves open the possibility of a third season, which would make the fans happy, at least.

I can't recall who said that Shion was Izanagi. Madame Oreille? I'm not sure you can depend on the characters to always say the truth, only the truth as they know it. About giving powers to people, that may be part of why bad things happen around him. That and the fact he's been a top assassin for the last 12 years and knows way too much about the various intelligence agencies.

At the end of S1, Hei was trying to disappear but obviously couldn't do an effective job with Yin accompanying him. I'm not sure how many people realized that Hei without Yin stood a much better chance of evading the various groups still after him.

Spoiler for S2:

But Yin was effectively dead to him at the end of the OADs, i.e. the start of S2. Hei was only hanging around to kill Yin, or what's left of Yin, when he got the chance. That's the reason he didn't disappear but instead started working for the CIA. At least that's my interpretation of S2. But what did he think that was going to accomplish? Stopping the apocalypse? He said he didn't care about that and he didn't stop that kid from emerging in the end. So, he only killed Yin to put her out of her misery and that was all he did? I agree that is a possible interpretation. I just wish the writers/animators/Okamura had done a better job explaining what happened.

Spoiler for Ep. 12, S2:

So now that Hei has no one and cares about nothing, he rides off into the sunset, so to speak? To try to disappear forever?

To me, that seems rather depressing, but in retrospect, Hei never had much of a happy life. I suppose that leaves open the possibility of a third season, which would make the fans happy, at least.

Spoiler for OVA 4:

After watching this, I really don't think it likely that Hei killed Yin. Nor do I think he ever really intended to.

Then that leaves the question, what did Hei do at the end? He did something, since his star shined. That's the question that bothers me because that also asks, just what the hell is Hei? Seriously, he is more than a contractor who can kill with electricity. So, what are his powers and what does he want at the end?

Then that leaves the question, what did Hei do at the end? He did something, since his star shined. That's the question that bothers me because that also asks, just what the hell is Hei? Seriously, he is more than a contractor who can kill with electricity. So, what are his powers and what does he want at the end?

It's possible he somehow reattached Yin's soul to her body and separated her from Izanami. Who knows, maybe Kaga-Tsuchi is just Izanami forced into July's soulless body(because he's a shota lol).

As to what Hei is, he's a human/contractor hybrid. He's not actually a contractor, his sister, who's power lives inside him was. His sisters power was a lot more than shocking people, I forget exactly how it was explained, but she was on god mode apparently.

It's kinda stupid of me but I just now started wondering what actually happened to Bai in the end (or maybe I just forgot). Anyone knows or can explain?

Maybe, since she controles energy and matter down to quantum level, she de-materialized herself on paticle level and resides inside Hei in form of his power
Uber crazy guess!!! xD I haven't tought of this thoughtfully first, so dont flame at meh!! xD

Ok just burned through the DTB series I mean S1 to Gaiden to S2 and I can say S1 was great as good as first of Code Geass S1 but then I am in anticipation of S2 and WTF!!! just happened The End of Evangelion somehow crossed dimensions and got to the DTB S2 finale I mean COME ON WHAT WAS THAT!!! Only redeeming factor I see is that they left the door open for a S3 or movie continuation where they can explain what exactly Hei did and what became of him and Yin so I hope there is a continuation whether in movie or a new season format

I also have a question that I seriously need some answering on such as what the hell was exactly Shion/Izanagi's plan I mean I never truly understood it and why Izanami was needed for his plan so if you can answer it would be much appreciated and ideas as well

Also my take on Hei's power and the S1 and S2 finale. With his God-Mode powers he was able to do what he did with the Saturn Ring which was alter or what I believe to have separated Yin from Izanami and thus stop the apocalypse and and save Yin so at the end when he is holding her he is sort of riding off into the sunset like the Eureka Seven ending. Why I do believe there will be a continuation is because of that thing that was born which took the CIA agent's souls which I believe will be up to Hei and Yin to stop in this new season.

Hey, Iím kinda of new to this thing (to writing posts online and etc..) but Iím gonna give it a try firstly I want to say that I respect everyoneís view even if I disagree. I know ------ was absolutely sure that Hei is completely in love with Yin but letís look at some facts.
1. Consider how old Yin is (how does this concern the relation) Yinís age is around pie age (His sister) which means? That itís only natural that Hei would deeply care for her and even fall into depression over being unable to protect for it reminds him of how he couldnít ultimately protect pie. Donít lie but doesnít that make more sense than Hei falling in love with a girl two times younger than him?
2. We do not have any facts proof or words or action that could be justified in only that Hei loves yin
3. Yin I stress again is a young girl so since we debating over this anime like its taking part in real life I shall treat it as such. What is the statistic of falling in love only once in your life at a young age and staying with that person forever? I bet itís close to none. This is highly improbable so is the idea of contractors (but love is something that does exist in real life, love in any movie, book, or anime is taken from our feelings so we can safely compare it with real life probabilities) donít get me wrong it can happen itís just unlikely.
4. In season, 1 it is noticed that yin clearly loves Hei but is that feeling returned no. Yinís love is that of a young schoolgirl receiving sister love from Hei
5. A girl mentioned somewhere in season 1 Kirihara did nothing to act on the feeling developing but did you ever think that Hei said that because he wanted her to act on those feelings cuz he felt the same. At the moment she didnít, he didnít why? Because he was trying so hard to be cold hearted so imagine how hard it would have been if he surrender to past caring about someone
6. In the end of season, 1 Hei listened to her; when she said; donít kill her boss he listened because he cared enough to be human for her if only for a little while. Note that he said the man called lee did not exist anymore but isnít true by sparing the man at her request he still did
7. My last point arguing my case did anyone ever notice the fun Hei and Kirihara would have together how they both would laugh with each other however; with other people, they would be more distant even if they cared. For Hei he cared so much about Yin but it was a serious no nonsense type of caring, looking out for her as if she was his sister and she may have been somewhat a replacement of pie.
Okay these are my points please donít judge. I know itís a little long and now itís my alternate version.
P.S. Iím not a very good story writer XD\
P.S.S. to keep it shorter itís in bullet points
1. Both yin and Hei survived
2. Yin is holding on to the last thread of sanity just for awhile before she dies to tell Hei whatís going to happen. She requested for Hei to bring her to Finland where it will be her last resting place.
3. She confesses her love to him how she always felt that way. Hei consoles her itís going to be okay. Then she tells him sheís going to die soon. Hei is consumed with grief itís going to happen all over again. To Hei itís like when he lost his sister and thereís nothing he can do about it.
4. Just for awhile they live in peace. Hei cares for her, Hei tells her Iím sorry I care about you a lot so much that Iím afraid to lose you but only as a sister. Yin simply does saying I understand.
5. In the final days of yinís life, she confesses that she had been selfish. Hei says she hasnít but yin reveals the truth.
6. ďThereís a new boy. You must go back to Tokyo to kill him. You should not trust him by me denying Izanami he has come to destroy everything. I have been selfish. Me and shion we lied, we made everyone believe if we were to meet, the world would end, but that isnít the truth. The truth is me and him we were meant to be together to create a new life form to protect the earth. That is why we have the gates. The gates are the key. To everything.Ē Hei is still confused but she tells her it doesnít matter that everythingís okay. When yin dies, she hasnít finished explaining only why the gates are clear but he knows he must go back.
7. He leaves Finland with yin under green trees to return to Tokyo. I am not afraid he thinks of fighting again but he knows he canít let himself feel again.
8. Bk-201 star is active. Hikara stands looking up at the night sky. He is back she thinks, I am ready I do not care. He is only a friend. Hardly a friend.
9. Urgent news has reached the Tokyo headquarters North America has vanished. Panic and chaos fills the air. Hei lingers outside the park he knows itís the boy. Rumors have spread the boy does not need an army or refuge he simply consumes everything in its path yet he receive constant fans. ďHei?Ē A familiar voice calls out of the darkness becoming him towards instead he turns and runs away.
10. South Asia has disappeared it seems that line of disappearances are heading straight for Tokyo. Latest fights have broken out with Hei and the boyís follower. The time is drawing closer as every day, every hour a new star falls to the ground.
11. They are wiping out every contractor.
12. Hei and Kirihara finally meet. Hei refuses to acknowledge any former feelings they may have shared for each other. Instead they work alongside each other trying to figure out why contractors are being hunted down
13. The final battle takes place inside hells gate. Where they learn how the gates are the answer. Heavenís gate was indeed the entrance to heaven that could have been trigged by yin and suoís life force but hellís gate is the opposite while heavenís gate was only there to maintain balance. Hellís gate was made to be opened where hellís creatures will walk the earth enslaving and creating earth for themselves. This was why contractors were made to stop these creatures but the numbers have diminished.
14. Here Kirihara and a few of the police force have decided to form a contract to become contractors to aid in the battle against hellís creatures.
15. And here is where Hei stops Kirihara and tells her not to do it. She challenges him asking why. Because you might lose, your emotions he answers which she responds to by saying why should he care which he confesses that he had hoped she stilled loved him.
16. The boy arrives interrupting there confessions by stabbing Hei in the back commenting that he accepted a better fight. Kirihara is forced to make a second decision accepting a contract where she learns that her power is exactly the same as the boyís. She kills him and Hei is still alive. The other contractors help by driving back creatures emerging from and in hells gate.
17. Later when Hei is getting better he calls for Kirihara telling her he loves her no matter what Kirihara realizes that her price is to relinquish the feeling she holds dearest at time of her power usage thus she forgets the love she felt for Hei even if Hei still loves and vows to look out for her.
18. Voice back in Kiriharaís voice as usual whispers how ironic it is. How the fates are reversed how it was amber that would have done anything for Hei now it was Hei who would do anything for me for a feeling I desperately desire to feel. A feeling I recall so vaguely and crave but cannot have for that I am sorry but I know believe in Hei in me that somehow I will regain what I have lost.

Iím sorry it is so long, I met for a happy ending, but unfortunately, it ended up like this.