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Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Only reason Madaras has legs is because of his powerful chakra and hes had the most experience with Susanoo. Sasuke only had his for a very short while and Itachi had his for about 8 years. Madara has his for 70+ years. Of course his Susanoo would be different and better. Im not sure how Madara got his chakra stabilized but im pretty sure thats pure mastery of Susanoo. As i said before
Amaterasu - Sasuke
Tsuyuyomi- Itachi
Susanoo- Madara

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Lets put it this way. A Fully Realized Rinnegan is the stronger of the 2; however in Madara status, his EMS is far stronger than his rinnegan. He is not adapt at using the rinnegan. thus far he has only used two (that we know for 100%) rinnegan unique abilities. One being the gedou mazou and the preta path. Thats it!

As for the PS being Rinnegan... that is highly unlikely. Susanno has always been linked with the sharingan derived abilities meaning MS and EMS; Nothing we have learned in regards to the rinnegan suggest that PS is derived from the rinnegan. And while the rinnegan comes from sharingan in some currently unknown method. Its not enough evidence to say it is from the rinnegan. If we recall: madara did state that those who see PS do not normally live to tell their story; which suggest he has used it more then just once and he used it against someone. as he said himself, he awakened the rinnegan shortly before he "death" so we know he didnt use Ps after Rinnegan, therefore he had to come before... via EMS!

The only REAL signifiance to PS is the stablization of the chakra used to create it... from what I can tell!

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Sasuke082594

We saw Edo Madara go from MS to Rinnegan.. He used all forms of Susano'o during that time. MS=Susano'o, EMS=Complete Susano'o, Rinnegan=Perfect Susano'o. Also, your statement makes no sense, why would he need to use all the other paths? He obviously had PS.

How the hell is EMS = complete Susanoo when Itachi used it?? You have no proof. He has never used Rinnegan techs before he was Edo, He was close to death and gave it to Nagato. Only Rinnegan tech he has used that we know of is Preta path. Meteor is obviously EMS since he used it in collaboration with his Susanoo. When hes in Rinnegan all his EMS moves are in affect too.

Originally Posted by Sasuke082594

These are just your assumptions, but if thats the case then Lv 1-3=MS&EMS.

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Amelius

Lets put it this way. A Fully Realized Rinnegan is the stronger of the 2; however in Madara status, his EMS is far stronger than his rinnegan. He is not adapt at using the rinnegan. thus far he has only used two (that we know for 100%) rinnegan unique abilities. One being the gedou mazou and the preta path. Thats it!

As for the PS being Rinnegan... that is highly unlikely. Susanno has always been linked with the sharingan derived abilities meaning MS and EMS; Nothing we have learned in regards to the rinnegan suggest that PS is derived from the rinnegan. And while the rinnegan comes from sharingan in some currently unknown method. Its not enough evidence to say it is from the rinnegan. If we recall: madara did state that those who see PS do not normally live to tell their story; which suggest he has used it more then just once and he used it against someone. as he said himself, he awakened the rinnegan shortly before he "death" so we know he didnt use Ps after Rinnegan, therefore he had to come before... via EMS!

The only REAL signifiance to PS is the stablization of the chakra used to create it... from what I can tell!

From what i could tell he would've be handled by all those giant Rasengans if it hadn't been for him using his Susano'o when his MS was activated...

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Encon Uchiha

How the hell is EMS = complete Susanoo when Itachi used it?? You have no proof. He has never used Rinnegan techs before he was Edo, He was close to death and gave it to Nagato. Only Rinnegan tech he has used that we know of is Preta path. Meteor is obviously EMS since he used it in collaboration with his Susanoo. When hes in Rinnegan all his EMS moves are in affect too.

thats correct since Itachi had lvls 1-3 and Complete.

No proof or logical explanation, come back with better explanation.

When does the manga state Itachi used a complete Susano'o? Don't say "Oh it has armor and a pointy nose like Madara's that's why".

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Encon Uchiha

He never trained with the Rinnegan, he is the best with EMS. PS is an EMS jutsu but yes an expert Rinnegan user like Nagato is better than an expert user of Ems. Nagato fought the strongest 2 jinchuriki and a MS user and only got sealed because he wasnt in control of his powers and plot. Nagato > Everyone non Edo.

agreed he never trained with rinnegan and also that nagato > everyone non edo. but i don't think nagato would beat PS. and if that is the case then we are pretty much stating that EMS madara and hashirama > nagato which in fact very wrong. so i think PS has gotta be an rinnegan tech.

remember when madara used meteorite he had rinnegan and used it in tune with his susanoo. it was like a major bansho tenin. this should be proof enough that rinnegan could be related to susanoo.

Originally Posted by Sasuke082594

Thank you lol, people won't understand that Madara could only use PS when he activated the Rinnegan.

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Namikaze Haru

agreed he never trained with rinnegan and also that nagato > everyone non edo. but i don't think nagato would beat PS. and if that is the case then we are pretty much stating that EMS madara and hashirama > nagato which in fact very wrong. so i think PS has gotta be an rinnegan tech.

remember when madara used meteorite he had rinnegan and used it in tune with his susanoo. it was like a major bansho tenin. this should be proof enough that rinnegan could be related to susanoo.

now that you mention it, that is very true

It is very true.. I'm about to state that will end all speculation.. If PS is an EMS tech then why does Madara have his Rinnegan activated? NB'ers confirm that Madara apparently doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan(clearly states though that he did know because he tried to take Senju DNA so he obviously knew about the Rinnegan's powers) If you all claim that PS is an EMS tech then why doesn't he just use his EMS in battle and not the Rinnegan?

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Encon Uchiha

He never trained with the Rinnegan, he is the best with EMS. PS is an EMS jutsu but yes an expert Rinnegan user like Nagato is better than an expert user of Ems. Nagato fought the strongest 2 jinchuriki and a MS user and only got sealed because he wasnt in control of his powers and plot. Nagato > Everyone non Edo.

that is ur assumption he didnt train with the rinnegan he wasnt a master as far as we have seen but he has clearly used the preta path, he has used the gedo mazo according to himself. And he has shown that he is able to manipulate metors with gravity similar to nagato. So far he has shown us quite a few techniques with the rinnegan and shown to use it quite well.

nagato>everyone non edo LOL get out of here. Plot favored nagato as well it made sure 90% of naruto's arsenal was away from him during his encounter with nagato. all his clones were elsewhere in various battlefields which could have made naruto's victory a lot simpler.

u must not have realized some other characters such as tobi or kabuto who both at the height of their powers can crush nagato.

And naruto at his full power also can beat nagato. with his multiple clones bm, sm etc along with his summons are enough to stop the likes of nagato. Dont overrate nagato he is one of the best but definitely not the best.

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Sasuke082594

It is very true.. I'm about to state that will end all speculation.. If PS is an EMS tech then why does Madara have his Rinnegan activated? NB'ers confirm that Madara apparently doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan(clearly states though that he did know because he tried to take Senju DNA so he obviously knew about the Rinnegan's powers) If you all claim that PS is an EMS tech then why doesn't he just use his EMS in battle and not the Rinnegan?

he did use rinnegan to a certain extent when he was in a pinch. But atleast in his battle against the kages mokuton or ems was more than enough to deal witth them

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Sasuke082594

It is very true.. I'm about to state that will end all speculation.. If PS is an EMS tech then why does Madara have his Rinnegan activated? NB'ers confirm that Madara apparently doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan(clearly states though that he did know because he tried to take Senju DNA so he obviously knew about the Rinnegan's powers) If you all claim that PS is an EMS tech then why doesn't he just use his EMS in battle and not the Rinnegan?

Because He has shown the ability to use EMS abilites while the rinnegan is on, the opposite has not been shown. So why would you use one set of eyes that can only use 1 set of abilities instead of using the one that can use both?... But that doesnt mean that PS is from Rinnegan, merely that he can use PS with the rinnegan, the same way he can use the other susanno versions with the Rinnegan!

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Sasuke082594

It relates to me stating that he apparently couldn't summon PS using his EMS.

Not that he couldnt... merely that he didnt. couldnt and didnt are very different. Why didnt he? because he didnt need too. the only reason we saw it when we did was just Madara showing the Kages how powerless they are.

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by arv993

he did use rinnegan to a certain extent when he was in a pinch. But atleast in his battle against the kages mokuton or ems was more than enough to deal witth them

He still had his Rinnegan activated though.. NB'ers claim that Madara doesn't know how to use the Rinnegan just to back up EMS=PS. So why use a completely useless dojutsu(according to NB'ers in relation to Madara) in battle?

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Amelius

Not that he couldnt... merely that he didnt. couldnt and didnt are very different. Why didnt he? because he didnt need too. the only reason we saw it when we did was just Madara showing the Kages how powerless they are.

He didn't need too? So your telling me he knew what Naruto was capable of so he held back on purpose? Or he merely got lucky that his COMPLETE Susano'o tanked Naruto's attack?

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Amelius

Because He has shown the ability to use EMS abilites while the rinnegan is on, the opposite has not been shown. So why would you use one set of eyes that can only use 1 set of abilities instead of using the one that can use both?... But that doesnt mean that PS is from Rinnegan, merely that he can use PS with the rinnegan, the same way he can use the other susanno versions with the Rinnegan!

You typed just what i expect people who believe PS=EMS to type. I'm asking why? If it's apparently completely useless. I'll answer that though. He needs the Rinnegan to use PS! Which was obviously needed to take down the 5 kages.

Re: So EMS is stronger than Rinnegan?

Originally Posted by Sasuke082594

You typed just what i expect people who believe PS=EMS to type. I'm asking why? If it's apparently completely useless. I'll answer that though. He needs the Rinnegan to use PS! Which was obviously needed to take down the 5 kages.

Read my post on Page 2. it shows why PS is an EMS technique not a Rinnegan technique.