34) Beware that no one lead you astray saying Lo here or lo there! For the Son of Man is within you.

Do not lay down any rules beyond what I appointed you, and do not give a law like the lawgiver lest you be constrained by
it.

I am pretty sure these 2 verses had agreat deal to do with it. Imagine that, Jesus is always with you.
Not sitting in some church waiting for sunday to roll around and you're admitence fee to be paid. What you do not think this goes along with his
message in the NT???

1.Matthew 21:12
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and
the seats of them that sold doves,

Mine was an assumption based on my very little knowledge of any organized religion lol.

Women have always been seen as inferior in religion....thats why they are still paid less than men....religion still plays a huge role in everything
we do....i think its about time it was abolished and replaced with the word of Science

I agree with you to a certain extent. I believe that mathmatics is the devine language Of GOD.
ie Golden Ratio's that can be found throughout creation naturaly. Plus every science has its roots in mathmatics.

Plus apparently giveing life is a blessing, not a curse. He just added pain ((shakeing fists)) THANKS EVE.
Women have always had places in religion. According to the HOLY SPIRIT after Jesus assended we are to become prophets of GOD n JESUS. Plus you have
many other women through out the scriptures who played big roles. No matter how much religion wishs to down play it.

A better reason is that the document was seriously doubted as authentic:

1. It is not cited by any other apostles and unknown to many of the original apostolic churches when the canon was established.

2. It is Gnostic in its nature and message, hence not Christian.

If there is any conspiracy here, it was that Book of Mary was forged by Gnostics to lay credence to their very unapostolic views. Stranger things have
happened in mankind's religions....just look around.

i have never read them but would love to if any one has the link. according to various sources she was extremely close to jesus more so than the 12
that followed him. She was also in charge of the womens evangilical corps never mentioned in the bible.
FROM URANTIA WEBSITE: Throughout the early days of the Christian church women teachers and ministers were called deaconesses and were accorded general recognition. But
Paul, despite the fact that he conceded all this in theory, never really incorporated it into his own attitude and personally found it difficult to
carry out in practice.

150:2.2 It was at Magdala that the women first demonstrated their usefulness and vindicated the wisdom of their choosing. Andrew had imposed
rather strict rules upon his associates about doing personal work with women, especially with those of questionable character. When the party entered
Magdala, these ten women evangelists were free to enter the evil resorts and preach the glad tidings directly to all their inmates. And when visiting
the sick, these women were able to draw very close in their ministry to their afflicted sisters. As the result of the ministry of these ten women
(afterward known as the twelve women) at this place, Mary Magdalene was won for the kingdom. Through a succession of misfortunes and in consequence of
the attitude of reputable society toward women who commit such errors of judgment, this woman had found herself in one of the nefarious resorts of
Magdala. It was Martha and Rachel who made plain to Mary that the doors of the kingdom were open to even such as she. Mary believed the good news and
was baptized by Peter the next day.

1. The Women’s Evangelistic Corps (1678.5) 150:1.1 Of all the daring things which Jesus did in connection with his earth career, the most
amazing was his sudden announcement on the evening of January 16: “On the morrow we will set apart ten women for the ministering work of the
kingdom.” At the beginning of the two weeks’ period during which the apostles and the evangelists were to be absent from Bethsaida on their
furlough, Jesus requested David to summon his parents back to their home and to dispatch messengers calling to Bethsaida ten devout women who had
served in the administration of the former encampment and the tented infirmary. These women had all listened to the instruction given the young
evangelists, but it had never occurred to either themselves or their teachers that Jesus would dare to commission women to teach the gospel of the
kingdom and minister to the sick. These ten women selected and commissioned by Jesus were: Susanna, the daughter of the former chazan of the Nazareth
synagogue; Joanna, the wife of Chuza, the steward of Herod Antipas; Elizabeth, the daughter of a wealthy Jew of Tiberias and Sepphoris; Martha, the
elder sister of Andrew and Peter; Rachel, the sister-in-law of Jude, the Master’s brother in the flesh; Nasanta, the daughter of Elman, the Syrian
physician; Milcha, a cousin of the Apostle Thomas; Ruth, the eldest daughter of Matthew Levi; Celta, the daughter of a Roman centurion; and Agaman, a
widow of Damascus. Subsequently, Jesus added two other women to this group — Mary Magdalene and Rebecca, the daughter of Joseph of Arimathea.
(1679.1) 150:1.2 Jesus authorized these women to effect their own organization and directed Judas to provide funds for their equipment and for pack
animals. The ten elected Susanna as their chief and Joanna as their treasurer. From this time on they furnished their own funds; never again did they
draw upon Judas for support. (1679.2) 150:1.3 It was most astounding in that day, when women were not even allowed on the main floor of the synagogue
(being confined to the women’s gallery), to behold them being recognized as authorized teachers of the new gospel of the kingdom. The charge which
Jesus gave these ten women as he set them apart for gospel teaching and ministry was the emancipation proclamation which set free all women and for
all time; no more was man to look upon woman as his spiritual inferior. This was a decided shock to even the twelve apostles. Notwithstanding they had
many times heard the Master say that “in the kingdom of heaven there is neither rich nor poor, free nor bond, male nor female, all are equally the
sons and daughters of God,” they were literally stunned when he proposed formally to commission these ten women as religious teachers and even to
permit their traveling about with them. The whole country was stirred up by this proceeding, the enemies of Jesus making great capital out of this
move, but everywhere the women believers in the good news stood stanchly behind their chosen sisters and voiced no uncertain approval of this tardy
acknowledgment of woman’s place in religious work. And this liberation of women, giving them due recognition, was practiced by the apostles
immediately after the Master’s departure, albeit they fell back to the olden customs in subsequent generations. Throughout the early days of the
Christian church women teachers and ministers were called deaconesses and were accorded general recognition. But Paul, despite the fact that he
conceded all this in theory, never really incorporated it into his own attitude and personally found it difficult to carry out in
practice.

How about the son the father and the Holy Ghost. Based on 3 Egyptian gods.
Horus hawthorn and Isis. Isis is a female, there for; the Holy Ghost.
They strayed from the original message of Jesus and tried to keep woman out of the righting.
And when they had to include other religious ideas they tried to suppress women there too

Originally posted by NEMOats
A better reason is that the document was seriously doubted as authentic:

1. It is not cited by any other apostles and unknown to many of the original apostolic churches when the canon was established.

2. It is Gnostic in its nature and message, hence not Christian.

If there is any conspiracy here, it was that Book of Mary was forged by Gnostics to lay credence to their very unapostolic views. Stranger things have
happened in mankind's religions....just look around.

edit on 26-7-2011 by NEMOats because: bad choice of a word

But more importantly, the codex preserves the most complete surviving fragment of the Gospel of Mary (as the text is named in the manuscript,
though it is clear this named Mary is the person we call Mary of Magdala). Two other small fragments of the Gospel of Mary from separate Greek
editions were later unearthed in archaeological excavations at Oxyrhynchus in lower Egypt. (Fragments of the Gospel of Thomas were also found at this
ancient site; see the Oxyrhynchus and Gospel of Thomas page for more information about Oxyrhynchus.) Finding three fragments of a text of
this antiquity is extremely unusual, and it is thus evidenced that the Gospel of Mary was well distributed in early Christian times and existed in
both an original Greek and a Coptic language translation.

So apparently there is evidence this gospel was loved by many. We also know that Constatine enjoyed cherry picking the NT cannon and changed the shape
of Chrisanity to a distorted mirror image.

There are sixty-six books commonly accepted as divinely inspired Word of God. Origen (c. 185-254), a prolific early Christian writer, noted a
commonly accepted list of 27 New Testament books, indicating that by the second or third century, the New Testament canon was established (McGarvey,
1974, 1:66). There are many other books, beside the New Testament canon, that are considered inspired by some scholars, but not all (Smith, 2003, p.
1). Some claim that Bible is complete for the spiritual needs of Christians (2 Timothy 3:16-17; Luke 21:33; John 12:48). From Yahoo ask, not sure who
they are though lol

EXTERNAL TEXT:
Ehrman reserves most of his scrutiny for the writings of Paul, which make up the bulk of the New Testament. He says that only about half of the New
Testament letters attributed to Paul – 7 of 13 – were actually written by him.

Paul’s remaining books are forgeries, Ehrman says. His proof: inconsistencies in the language, choice of words and blatant contradiction in
doctrine.

For example, Ehrman says the book of Ephesians doesn’t conform to Paul’s distinctive Greek writing style. He says Paul wrote in short, pointed
sentences while Ephesians is full of long Greek sentences (the opening sentence of thanksgiving in Ephesians unfurls a sentence that winds through 12
verses, he says).

As always research it for you're self. After I put what Paul said up against what Jesus has said it doesnt line up.
Paul tends to contradict Jesus quite a bit. Where the verses from Mary seem to be in Harmony with the 1st 4 books of the NT.

But anything worth haveing entails work.....So if you wish to find it you must seek it.

Because Mary was not a prostitute, as a pope proclaimed a few centuries ago out of hatred, making it mainstream knowledge, but she was instead Jesus'
wife and a favorite among the apostles. That knowledge would be catastrophic to the church it seems so naturally is suppressed.

On the other hand, it is not just the Catholicism that's the culprit. I don't see the gospel of Mary, nor of Thomas or Judas, among others, being
used in anyone's Bible. The Orthodox don't use it, the Baptist, Presbyterians... no one. This knowledge is suppressed by all Christianity, not just
one faction.

To me, this is just another example of the fallacy of Christianity - the censorship of what is claimed to be the word of God. On one hand people are
looking for secret mathematical formulae within the Bible, claiming it to be divine writing and without fault, and on the other hand we've got
centuries of mere humans editing and scavenging the "divine writing" as they see fit. In the end, it is nothing more than the most edited book in
the history of the world, custom fit to help those in power remain there.

Even if that is true. It gives you Faith which inturn is a very powerfull gift.
Faith alone can improve a persons very quality of life. Not only this, if you wish to believe in the words.
It gives you an ultimate being who created everything but takes time out just to listen to you.
Even when you're very own love ones ignore you.
A sence of reason and belonging in you're life. Which by being humans we deeply crave.
It can even lend you the strength of our ancestor's in our very time of need.

Yes we have people who decide to distort these very princeable's and turn them into weapons of hate.
But should we be judged equaly to a mad man that kill's in GODS name. Because they decided they are above the very thing the book teach's.

You may not believe in it on you're consious level. But the very spirit of it is written in you're heart.
How do I know this. Do you just walk by and let someone beat a child with a baseball bat.
We are all spiritual brothers and sisters weather we accept it or not.

Even if that is true. It gives you Faith which inturn is a very powerfull gift.
Faith alone can improve a persons very quality of life. Not only this, if you wish to believe in the words.
It gives you an ultimate being who created everything but takes time out just to listen to you.
Even when you're very own love ones ignore you.
A sence of reason and belonging in you're life. Which by being humans we deeply crave.
It can even lend you the strength of our ancestor's in our very time of need.

Yes we have people who decide to distort these very princeable's and turn them into weapons of hate.
But should we be judged equaly to a mad man that kill's in GODS name. Because they decided they are above the very thing the book teach's.

You may not believe in it on you're consious level. But the very spirit of it is written in you're heart.
How do I know this. Do you just walk by and let someone beat a child with a baseball bat.
We are all spiritual brothers and sisters weather we accept it or not.

LOTZA LUV 2 U

Nonsense....we all have morals and they are not granted by a sky fairy.

Your religion was not around 50,000 years ago....yet society got by and we evolved into what we are today.

I dont need an imaginary friend to tell me whats right and wrong. I dont believe in God....you may have noticed lol...if everyone were to murder then
we would no longer be a species on this rock.

Not beating a child with a bat everytime you walk past them is a stupid example. If you didnt believe in god do you think you would go round beating
small children with bats?? Or murdering whoever you wanted?? Dont be SILLY.

So whats stopping me from murdering every child i see?? I dont fear god, i dont believe in god, and im almost certain.....no i am certain.....anything
i do here and now will not effect me when im dead.

There's so many different Gospels and so many of them were written WAY after Jesus supposedly lived and died. How anyone can assume that these are the
words of Christ is beyond me but I digress. Unfortunately the Apostle Paul's books are typically earlier than any manuscripts of the Gospels and Paul
will not suffer a woman to teach. Christianity on the whole has a negative view of women, I mean its all over the scriptures and in their doctrines.
Women are to be silent in church, stoned to death in their not virgins on their wedding night (Deuteronomy), they're responsible for the Fall of Man,
and if you sell your daughter as a slave she is not to go free as male slaves do (that's in Exodus 21).

The fact is that these Gospels aren't considered Biblical canon for one reason or another so the Catholic Church has nothing to gain from them coming
to prominence. I don't think it has much to do with Jesus claim that no extra rules should be added to what he says, most Christians I've come in
contact with make no serious attempt to follow what Jesus says anyway and my guess is the Church is no exception on an official level.

To me, this is just another example of the fallacy of Christianity - the censorship of what is claimed to be the word of God. On one hand people are
looking for secret mathematical formulae within the Bible, claiming it to be divine writing and without fault, and on the other hand we've got
centuries of mere humans editing and scavenging the "divine writing" as they see fit. In the end, it is nothing more than the most edited book in
the history of the world, custom fit to help those in power remain there.

Khar

You my friend have hit the nail right on the head. Anything that went against the blue print of the church was out.
Not just the mother church but all church's because they all fallow the same basic blue print. Which then the question becomes what was this blue
print. Pagan God Worship.

They distorted the true church by trying to fit it into their lil box. Which was completely against what Jesus taught. And now since they cherry
picked and edited so much and even added forgeries. You must go on a spiritual pilrimege to find the truth.

I didnt mean to offend you by saying you had a good heart. (Not saying u dont now either)
My question to you becomes why would you come to a spiritual/religious thread if you dont believe in it?
I do not visit the reptilian thread becuse I do not believe in it.
I chose to leave them in peace rather then critize them because I do not share their view points.

All I was trying to say was the moral code was written in you're heart as everyone else.
Weather that came from GOD or not is up to you to decide.
But my question becomes who put it into the earliest ancestors hearts who decided it was wrong??

Even if that is true. It gives you Faith which inturn is a very powerfull gift.
Faith alone can improve a persons very quality of life. Not only this, if you wish to believe in the words.
It gives you an ultimate being who created everything but takes time out just to listen to you.
Even when you're very own love ones ignore you.
A sence of reason and belonging in you're life. Which by being humans we deeply crave.
It can even lend you the strength of our ancestor's in our very time of need.

Yes we have people who decide to distort these very princeable's and turn them into weapons of hate.
But should we be judged equaly to a mad man that kill's in GODS name. Because they decided they are above the very thing the book teach's.

You may not believe in it on you're consious level. But the very spirit of it is written in you're heart.
How do I know this. Do you just walk by and let someone beat a child with a baseball bat.
We are all spiritual brothers and sisters weather we accept it or not.

LOTZA LUV 2 U

Let me clarify my statement because it was pretty harsh.

I want to believe that there is a higher power who kick-started this whole thing. I want to believe that when I die something about me, my spirit or
what have you, carries on. I do believe in the possibility of this but I also believe that we as humans have little to no understanding of it.

I do not believe that Christianity is the one true and only possible religion.

That being said, I do not have to have faith or hope that these things are true to live a full-filling life during my time on this planet. But I do
care about my fellow man, his well being and the prosperity of others so as long as they are willing to work for it.

The best thing out of the Bible in my opinion is The Golden Rule, even though it is not exclusive to the Bible.

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