I reached out to Ben because I needed to learn about what it means to be an advocate in our field. Sure, I advocate for our businesses to grow because that means more people get help and more therapists stay in the field in which they are gifted.

But I knew there had to be more. So this is my interview, learning from Ben and hoping you will learn too.

There are some minor expletives so you may want to put in some headphones.

To check out Ben and his work, as well as his book, go to https://www.bencaldwell.com/ and of course if you are going to the AAMFT conference you should check out his presentations!