Sure, Bush cratered the economy and plunged us into a failed, trillion dollar, nation building project, but Fartbongo sleeps marries and has sex with dogs before he kills them and feasts on their entrails.

Saying Bush "lied" to get us into Iraq is suggesting that he somehow orchestrated the plan. There were lies, but Bush was just the unwitting dupe, as he was elected to be. His cabinet created the falsehoods and executed the plans. Bush, incompetent boob that he was, couldn't even sell the turd on TV as he has all the charm of a roadkill skunk.

MyRandomName:Ignore both clintons, gore, other intelligence agencies who all thought saddam was developing wmds... bush KNEW he wasn't and convinced everyone else with his lies.

Uh-huh. That's a nice story. Clinton pushed for inspections. The inspectors got in by the early part of Bush's term as a result. Funny how the results of prudent investigation as recommended by Clinton and those same foreign entities clearly disagreed with Bush, and turned out to be right. It's almost like Bush said he'd invade Iraq in 2000 when running for office, and used undeserved popular support to do exactly that.

Even you people know that no American president would send U.S. troops into battle for no reason.

There was certainly a reason. None of which were stated, but yes, a reason existed.

To call President Bush a liar while The Sun protects the biggest liar to ever sit in the White House is laughable and sad. I can refer to a couple of outstanding examples: The travesty in Afghanistan and the biggest lie of all, Obamacare.

Afghanistan and Obamacare are a lies? What definition are we working with here?

MyRandomName:Ignore both clintons, gore, other intelligence agencies who all thought saddam was developing wmds... bush KNEW he wasn't and convinced everyone else with his lies.

Certainly bush would never withhold or omit information from intelligence reports to congress to justify his position. He would never ignore UN inspectors who did not believe there were wmds. He would never believe a taxi driver in germany over international professionals. He would never send his senior military advisor to the the un with a cooked up story about trucks and mobile plants without sending in special forces to collect samples from said sites.

He is a lying sack of crap. The only think clintons, gore, other agencies did wrong was trust the SOB

ikanreed:MyRandomName: Ignore both clintons, gore, other intelligence agencies who all thought saddam was developing wmds... bush KNEW he wasn't and convinced everyone else with his lies.

Uh-huh. That's a nice story. Clinton pushed for inspections. The inspectors got in by the early part of Bush's term as a result. Funny how the results of prudent investigation as recommended by Clinton and those same foreign entities clearly disagreed with Bush, and turned out to be right. It's almost like Bush said he'd invade Iraq in 2000 when running for office, and used undeserved popular support to do exactly that.

yeah the neocons hired by Bush had Iraq in their sights long before Bush was "elected".it was no coincidence that all those PNAC members ended up in key positions of his administration.

MyRandomName:Ignore both clintons, gore, other intelligence agencies who all thought saddam was developing wmds... bush KNEW he wasn't and convinced everyone else with his lies.

If Bush had continued the policies of containment, inspections, No Fly Zones, sanctions, and the occasional surgical strike, there would not be 4,409 dead American service members, another 30,000 wounded, we wouldn't have gotten stuck with a bill for a few trillion dollars, and our international credibility would not be a joke.

Yeah I just saw that...Not the best formatting by the Sun. I found this hard hitting piece by Mr. Wolfe as well:

"I was very surprised to read Matt Patterson's commentary in The Sun ("America the dictatorship?" Nov. 27). How did someone get a pro-freedom message past The Sun's editorial board at the White House?

By the way, congratulations on your election victory. The media has now fulfilled its agenda which is to lift takers over makers. By 2016, we'll have a $20 trillion hole with no way to get out plus all the other little things this administration will continue to do as in Obamacare, bailouts, coverups, and, of course, let us not forget President Barack Obama's favorite constituency, illegal immigrants."

Yeah I just saw that...Not the best formatting by the Sun. I found this hard hitting piece by Mr. Wolfe as well:

"I was very surprised to read Matt Patterson's commentary in The Sun ("America the dictatorship?" Nov. 27). How did someone get a pro-freedom message past The Sun's editorial board at the White House?

By the way, congratulations on your election victory. The media has now fulfilled its agenda which is to lift takers over makers. By 2016, we'll have a $20 trillion hole with no way to get out plus all the other little things this administration will continue to do as in Obamacare, bailouts, coverups, and, of course, let us not forget President Barack Obama's favorite constituency, illegal immigrants."

mayIFark:As I posted in another thread, I can think of 3 good reasons that Bush went into this war

To make his defense contractor buddies happy, to make his oil company buddies happy and to make his dad happy.

Any other good reason?

Perhaps the scariest reason of all is that he honestly, truly believed it was the right thing to do.

I'm not really scared of a cynic, crony or profiteer in government. I can at least trust that they will behave rationally, albeit rationally within their own self-interest rather than the interests of the people they're serving. I'm scared of the true believer; the person who would gladly burn this nation at the stake to save its soul.

karmaceutical:Saying Bush "lied" to get us into Iraq is suggesting that he somehow orchestrated the plan. There were lies, but Bush was just the unwitting dupe, as he was elected to be. His cabinet created the falsehoods and executed the plans. Bush, incompetent boob that he was, couldn't even sell the turd on TV as he has all the charm of a roadkill skunk.

Was he also an unwitting dupe when he said bin Laden wasn't a concern two years in? Or how about when he crashed the global economy and we were losing millions of jobs a month?

Yeah I just saw that...Not the best formatting by the Sun. I found this hard hitting piece by Mr. Wolfe as well:

"I was very surprised to read Matt Patterson's commentary in The Sun ("America the dictatorship?" Nov. 27). How did someone get a pro-freedom message past The Sun's editorial board at the White House?

By the way, congratulations on your election victory. The media has now fulfilled its agenda which is to lift takers over makers. By 2016, we'll have a $20 trillion hole with no way to get out plus all the other little things this administration will continue to do as in Obamacare, bailouts, coverups, and, of course, let us not forget President Barack Obama's favorite constituency, illegal immigrants."

Yeah, this dude apparently has nothing better to do than write letters to the editors of the Baltimore Sun and the Baltimore Jewish Times. I was looking for a Facebook page, but either his is private or doesn't exist. My guess? Angry old Jewish dude who has WAY to much free time in his retirement. The epitome of "Get off my lawn!"

karmaceutical:Saying Bush "lied" to get us into Iraq is suggesting that he somehow orchestrated the plan. There were lies, but Bush was just the unwitting dupe, as he was elected to be. His cabinet created the falsehoods and executed the plans. Bush, incompetent boob that he was, couldn't even sell the turd on TV as he has all the charm of a roadkill skunk.

Actually, I don't think that's so. Most of the kiss-and-tell accounts from the Bush administration seem to agree that Cheney drove the domestic agenda and left Bush to do as he pleased with respect to foreign policy. Furthermore, Bush apparently made clear very early on that he wanted an excuse to go after the Iraqi regime.

Nuclear Monk:I wonder how long this part of the strategy will last. This part being the "Try to make the Bush name less caustic" before Jeb tries for the presidency in 3 years.

I'm wondering how long it will take for jeb to distance himself from W and in what form that will take. My bet is it'll be a backhanded compliment of sorts fairly quickly after he announces his bid and/or during the actual announcement.

Nuclear Monk:I wonder how long this part of the strategy will last. This part being the "Try to make the Bush name less caustic" before Jeb tries for the presidency in 3 years.

I don't think it will make any difference. For people who will blindly vote for an R no matter what, they would vote anyone with an R, be it Jeb or whoever. But for other, they will never forget how one Bush nearly destroyed the world economy and millions of lives. So, regardless of what they do, they are not going to chance one mind, one way or another.

madgonad:Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: Bloody Templar: Norman Wolfe of Pikesville, MD would disagree.

Yeah I just saw that...Not the best formatting by the Sun. I found this hard hitting piece by Mr. Wolfe as well:

"I was very surprised to read Matt Patterson's commentary in The Sun ("America the dictatorship?" Nov. 27). How did someone get a pro-freedom message past The Sun's editorial board at the White House?

By the way, congratulations on your election victory. The media has now fulfilled its agenda which is to lift takers over makers. By 2016, we'll have a $20 trillion hole with no way to get out plus all the other little things this administration will continue to do as in Obamacare, bailouts, coverups, and, of course, let us not forget President Barack Obama's favorite constituency, illegal immigrants."

Just eat a bullet and save us from your nonsense.

Please, continue with why you think this quote from Mr. Wolfe is so extraordinary.

FeedTheCollapse:I'm wondering how long it will take for jeb to distance himself from W and in what form that will take. My bet is it'll be a backhanded compliment of sorts fairly quickly after he announces his bid and/or during the actual announcement.

shiat, and they hate his father for being a "rino" on top of that. I'm really confused by this push for Jeb.

FeedTheCollapse:Nuclear Monk: I wonder how long this part of the strategy will last. This part being the "Try to make the Bush name less caustic" before Jeb tries for the presidency in 3 years.

I'm wondering how long it will take for jeb to distance himself from W and in what form that will take. My bet is it'll be a backhanded compliment of sorts fairly quickly after he announces his bid and/or during the actual announcement.

Jeb won't try to distance himself as much as many people think. He's going to run on the idea that the Bush name is associated with true conservatism, so no conservatives should have to doubt his bona fides. He'll then turn around and tell Independents that Bush's have always been centrists, because look how far to the left his father and his brother were from the lunatic fringe. He's going to dare his opponent to try to tie him to GWB, though, so he can say, "my opponent can't challenge me on my own record, so he smears my family!" If he does it right, his brother's disgrace could be a powerful shield and sword for Jeb to wield against a Democratic challenger.