Silver

Is there any way to suggest that Silver is "Giovanni's red-haired son" without causing a discussion that would span for 40 days and 40 nights, break for an hour, then start up again? --Meowth346

>Emphasize that's fan speciulation at best? - Zeta

What if we classified it as "heavily implied?" Since, it seems to be. Cheesedude 03:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

My favorite battle is when my player character gets to team up with him against Lance and Clair in the Dragon's Den...I had fun doing that, Silver is an AWESOME partner, to me, nothing beats teaming with a rival character, especially when it's Silver!RoseofStriatonCity (talk) 22:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Sneasel

If I'm remembering correctly, Silver steals his Sneasel from a guy in Cianwood. He gives Gold his Shuckle so Silve dosen't come back and steal that, too. That seems pretty relevant to me....Cheesedude 03:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's article on Silver is MUCH more detailed, which is odd, since this is Bulbapedia....Cheesedude 03:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

responding to this a year later -_- Anyway if you have a look at Silver's non-starter Pokémon they are all more or less sweeper-based in stats. Shuckle has no offensive powers really, and the only time it has them is when it sacrifices all its defense (and its still too slow to be any good). I doubt Silver wanted it.--Outrage DD 19:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I definitely think that Silver steals his Sneasel from the guy in Cianwood, since he has it in a point of the game where you can't get it at that point yet. Chocolate 19:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Crobat?

...how does having a Crobat show that he loves his Pokémon? TinaTheKirlia ♥ 19:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Because this means that his Pokémon love him, 'cause Golbat will evolve just if its Happiness is at maximum. And, a Pokémon can't be happy if the Trainer don't care about them, just if the Trainer really loves the Pokémom.うずまきハルカ 20:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but, there are other ways too get your Pokémon to love you, loads of others, so it doesn't really mean he loved his Crobat in return. I'd look here for more info xD Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 21:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

It's tough love, but anyway. The Crobat is likely implied further evidence that Silver was not just spouting things about 'caring more' for his Pokémon, but actually changing (or has changed) his initial attitude of being a rash and cruel trainer.HechEff 12:27, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Sprite

I want to update the battle info to the new standard, but first, I need to know this: Do we currently have the Silver sprite uploaded? 'Cause we really need it for the template. --Chocolate(talk to me) 01:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't quite have the movesets, but I do know this: In Generation I, the 4 moves were always the most recent 4 moves that a Pokémon would know it its level. So, when I'm putting the table, I'll do it like that until someone else can confirm otherwise. --Chocolate(talk to me) 02:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

They've got movesets and stuff if you search hard enough in a GSC walkthrough on GameFAQs.com. Gligar 02:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, can someone more experienced update the battle info? I'm a bit too tired to do it right now. --Chocolate(talk to me) 02:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Why does the article has a Crystal sprite if it's the same as in Gold and Silver? The correct thing is to put a list of all the sprites and their variations like in Green's/Blue's article. Pokemon lover 21:51, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Kamon?

Do we really need to mention that name? It's just the first player name choice for the Silver version, and Hiroki (the first for Gold) isn't the name used by Gold's Anime equivalent (Kenta). "Mentioned on an Anime website"? What site? Sounds like fanwank to me. Satosuke 13:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Silver's new design

Serebii has uploaded a scan showing Silver's redesign for the remakes, but the pic is too small [1]

I was wondering if anyone has a link to a bigger one, so that we can upload a decent image with his new design and update the article. -- Pokéman 12:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Even if there WAS a decent version of this scan, there is no way it would be put in the article. just wait for the official site to update with the art. There is no reason for crappy quality art to be used. -Sketch 12:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Filb.de and PokéBeach. Basically the same though. I agree, wait for the site. They're incomplete. The site may update this weekend, the next one or the one after that. tc²₆tc26 12:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Sketch: Even if we don't replace the main image, shouldn't we add the scan with the redesign somewhere in the article?

Tc26: Thanks. I had checked PokéBeach and Filb.de before writing the comment, but they hadn't updated with the new scans yet. -Pokéman 13:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No, because it's low quality. Just wait for the site to update. It won't take long. -Sketch 13:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

HGSS sprite

Because we don't know it's final, just like we don't know if any of the other revealed sprites are final. Remember that Weavile and Munchlax got changed after being revealed for D/P, and a bunch of others that hadn't been revealed probably got changed too. R.A.HunterBlade 21:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, we know what the final one is now, considering Pokémon Sunday recently showed a battle with Silver. If they changed his sprite after that, I want to know why.--Ryuutakeshi 23:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Is it the same one? I can't find the thing on Sunday... R.A.HunterBlade 00:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Soul?

That's right. Silver has a new name now, his default is either Heart (ハート Heart) or Soul (ソウル Soul) depending on your version.
--Raine 15:14, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It was like that in Gold and Silver too, his name was either Gold or Silver was his default name depending on the version. The exception is Crystal, where his default name is Silver. Drake Clawfang 18:23, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

But not anymore.

His posssible names are only Heart and Soul, not Gold or Silver, so the article should be moved.--Raine 22:34, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

We're leaving it where it is until the English versions come out. Same for Gold. ZestyCactus 22:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Must we really change it? People still call him Silver. A lot of people don't even realize his new defaults. --Ryuutakeshi 02:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Well no wonder, the game hasn't even been out for a week, and is Japanese-only so far. Drake Clawfang 02:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

His default name is:

Pokémon Gold: Silver

Pokémon Silver: Gold

Pokémon Crystal: Silver

Pokémon HeartGold: Soul

Pokémon SoulSilver: Heart

So if we did move, which one would we move him to? His history makes me lean towards keeping the article at Silver. --FabuVinny|Talk Page| 18:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, placeholder data in HGSS calls him "Silver". So, we should stick to that, just as we call FRLG girl "Leaf". --Maxim 18:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Kotone has the default names "Heart" and "Soul" as well. If we call Silver Heart or Soul, that'll get... confusing. ZestyCactus 19:03, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I would like to stick with Silver. If you look for the most common default name in the list, that is the answer. I would think that it would be one of the player characters if you were to sau Heart or Soul, not Silver. Solar Dragon 19:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

As I'm sure you all know, the Pearl article was recently changed to Barry on the grounds that it appears at the top of two of three default name lists. I guess you can sort of apply the same argument here, but keep in mind this is a remake. In addition, the Barry article chose to ignore the placeholder name. Keep in mind that placeholder data isn't necessarily reliable (Red would otherwise be Ninten, Blue'd be either Sony or Terry and Barry would be Cedric), though it was used in a case where no clear default was ever indicated (Leaf). I guess the real answer to this is if Bulbapedia is willing to include an outdated generation in this. I personally wouldn't, but it's your call. LinkTheLefty 04:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Say What?!

Quote: "Giovanni and Silver's relationship is revealed in HeartGold and SoulSilver if the player brings a promotional Celebi to the Ilex Shrine in Ilex Forest. Celebi takes the player back in time three years to witness Giovanni abandoning Silver to go into seclusion because of his defeat. Silver's hate for Team Rocket apparently stems from them failing his father."

What's this event? I've heard of the pichu event and arceus event, but not this one. Where did this come from, and why can i not find anything else about it on any other pages? The curiosity is killing me! Morgil27 19:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Did it say anything about if he came from Kanto or Johto? B/c Giovanni is a Kanto native(presumably), Silver must be from Kanto, but he could been born in Johto.--MidnightBlue 02:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Which is what we're talking about. Giovani is from Viridian, and the scene in the game where Giovanni leaves Silver is at the gate connecting Viridian to the rout eleading to Johto.So while it's never outright said Silver is born in Viridian, chances are he was. Reign 00:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Think about it. Giovanni's job as Mr. Evil Overlord takes him all over the Pokémon world. You see him in Saffron and Celadon Cities. Silver may have been born there. Let's not forget the fact that it is (or so I am led to believe) the woman who gives birth; no in-game evidence ties Giovanni to anyone in particular. It's entirely possible that Silver is Julia's son, and Giovanni's just been lying about being a sailor because his woman doesn't like Team Rocket. Or something equally absurd. Point of the matter is, Silver's birthplace is unknown and we aren't going to put anything in. —darklordtrom 06:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Eh? The only places we saw Giovanni travel to were Kanto cities (and Tohjo falls, AFTER we see him leaving Kanto and abandoning Silver). Not only there's no evidence to suggest that he had to travel to other regions prior to his defeat by Red, but it's highly unlikely considering that Team Rocket was mainly a Kanto-based organization during Gen I. - Crystal Master

The point was we don't know where Silver is born. We can guess, but it is not going into the article. —darklordtrom 20:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

It's likely Silver was born in Viridian, but unless it's confirmed for sure no, it shouldn't be added. Drake Clawfang 21:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Introduction

This page's introduction is kind of confusing. When I first read it, it sounded like the Fame Checker referenced Special and "Silver's dark demeanor" along with the red haired child clue. I'd edit this myself, but wanted to ask if this was just me or if other people also find the sentence structure confusing.

Here's the sentence as it is now:
Prior to the release of Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, fan speculation held that Silver was Giovanni's red-haired child, due to Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen's Fame Checker's many references to Pokémon Gold and Silver versions, to Giovanni being Silver's manga equivalent's father in Pokémon Special, and to Silver's dark demeanor and detestment of Team Rocket.

And here's how it could be changed:
Prior to the release of Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver, fan speculation held that Silver was Giovanni's red-haired child, citing as evidence Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen's Fame Checker's many references to Pokémon Gold and Silver versions, Giovanni being Silver's manga equivalent's father in Pokémon Special, and Silver's dark demeanor and detestment of Team Rocket. A sidequest in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver later proved the theory true.

Leaf...

Shiningpikablu252: Oh, come on! You said yourself that Leaf should be mentioned in the FR/LG section of the timeline article but not in the G/S/C/HG/SS section because she existed on FR/LG but not on the G/S/C/HG/SS timeline. Now you're contradicting yourself by mentioning her in an article that is about a GSC character, and therefore, it's about the GSC timeline (especially considering that the part I edited was talking about a line said by Giovanni in HG/SS, not FR/LG, so he was clearly talking about Red). What's up with that?

And second, why was the article protected? No "canonicity debacle" started. I simply corrected a mistake, and before anyone could agree or disagree with it, you reverted it and protected the article. - Crystal Master 02:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

If the fact that Red appears in Mt. Silver and Leaf doesn't appear at all were enough to outright suggest that only one of them can exist in canon, then there wouldn't even be any canonicity debates to begin with. However, the one and only text reference in the original Generation II games that explicity implies Red came from Copycat, something that can easily be changed to be gender-neutral in a remake. Even back in Generation II, they said Team Rocket was broken up three years ago by "a kid", which in Genration IV context would imply either Red or Leaf. And odds are the writers wouldn't insert any new text that would explicitly imply Red is the only canon character from the three-years-ago timeline, especially since they took the trouble of perfecting Leaf to begin with. (Yes, I said perfecting--female player characters were taken into consideration as far back as the original concepts for the Japanese Red and Green, but weren't implemented until Crystal due to technical restrictions.)

Furthermore, Red's team at Mt. Silver is based primarily on other forms of Pokémon media, primarily Ash from the anime, but also in Generation II from Red in Pokémon Special (this would explain Espeon). As far as we're concerned, if the depiction of Red is not fully video-game-based, then nobody has a place to say that Leaf has absolutely no place in canon simply because Red's there and Leaf's not.

In closing: The Leaf mentions stay. To remove them would imply that the Generation I games were the one and only proper canon for the three-years-ago story, and that FireRed/LeafGreen themselves are non-canonical, and that in turn would put some doubt on HeartGold/SoulSilver's canonicity. Whether the Leaf mentions remain in the current wording or not, that remains to be seen. --Shiningpikablu252 03:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

"If the fact that Red appears in Mt. Silver and Leaf doesn't appear at all were enough to outright suggest that only one of them can exist in canon, then there wouldn't even be any canonicity debates to begin with."

The point is - Leaf's story from FR/LG isn't canon. Red and Leaf can't both be the kid who defeated Team Rocket and became the regional Kanto champion in the same continuity.

"However, the one and only text reference in the original Generation II games that explicity implies Red came from Copycat, something that can easily be changed to be gender-neutral in a remake. Even back in Generation II, they said Team Rocket was broken up three years ago by "a kid", which in Genration IV context would imply either Red or Leaf."

If that was the case, I wouldn't have a problem with leaving the kid's identity's ambiguous. However, you're wrong. Blue stated that he was defeated by Red (yes, he mentioned his name) after he became champion when you meet him in Cinnabar Island.

"Furthermore, Red's team at Mt. Silver is based primarily on other forms of Pokémon media, primarily Ash from the anime, but also in Generation II from Red in Pokémon Special (this would explain Espeon). As far as we're concerned, if the depiction of Red is not fully video-game-based, then nobody has a place to say that Leaf has absolutely no place in canon simply because Red's there and Leaf's not."

Not really. Special Red's team was based on GSC Red's, not the other way around.

GSC and HG/SS Red's team is based on the four Gen I starters (Pikachu, Venusaur, Charizard and Blastoise) and Pokémon that Red canonically met in Gen I (he got Eevee from that man in Celadon, Lapras from that Silph scientist, and Snorlax when he met it blocking the path to Fuchsia). The only part of HG/SS Red's team that is a reference to other media is Pikachu, as it has the same moves as the anime Pikachu.

"In closing: The Leaf mentions stay. To remove them would imply that the Generation I games were the one and only proper canon for the three-years-ago story, and that FireRed/LeafGreen themselves are non-canonical, and that in turn would put some doubt on HeartGold/SoulSilver's canonicity. Whether the Leaf mentions remain in the current wording or not, that remains to be seen."

What? You're saying that for FR/LG to be canon, Leaf has to exist? How does that work? Last time I checked, FR/LG presented two alternate continuities: one where Red traveling Kanto, collecting badges, defeating Team Rocket, and becoming the Kanto champion. The other one was identical except for Leaf taking Red's place. You're telling me that both continuity are canon within the same timeline? How is that even possible? You're saying that Team Rocket took over Silph, was defeated by Red (or Leaf) and ran away, then decided to come back and take over Silph once again, just to be defeated by Leaf (or Red)? That Giovanni was defeated by Red (or Leaf) in his Gym and disbanded TR, then had a change of mind and went back to the gym, then was defeated by the other player character and decided to disband TR once again? That the S.S. Anne sailed from Vermilion City two times (nevermind the fact that it was said that it only comes back once every year)? That Kanto had TWO regional champions? That...

Sorry, but no. The kid who became the Kanto champion and defeated Giovanni and TR was either Red OR Leaf, not both. And since HG/SS blatantly stated that Red was the Kanto champion (therefore canonizing Red's story from FR/LG), then Leaf has no place in the timeline. - Crystal Master 04:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

GS was a continuation of RB. It had Red at the end coz Red was the player character. How is your copy of HGSS going to know which gender you played as in FRLG? It makes sense to simply approximate the whole story to Red's journey only. Leaf's journey exists in the FRLG canon, true it is blissfully ignored, but it still exists and to that extent we as Bulbapedians are bound to cover it. —darklordtrom 04:53, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

He has a point though. The one that Giovanni lost to is the same person at the summit of Mt. Silver. Who is that person? Red. Not Leaf. I'm not saying to deny her existence. But the point is that she's not the one at Mt. Silver. Red is. It's that simple. Unless I'm wrong and someone can prove that if you play as Kotone and Leaf will appear instead, then that's basically the case. --ケンジのガール 05:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I plan on doing it once my game arrives. --ケンジのガール 05:37, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

You all probably know by now, but nope. Leaf's not there. Sorry Leaf, you're not canon (or at least you didn't become champion, defeat team rocket and become a legend. --GEN1KING 23:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Back sprite

Could someone please upload Silver's Back Sprite from his Tag battle with the Player? ShinyPika 20:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Name

Where's that taken from? Way I figure, his HGSS name is either simply "Rival" (Japanese DeviantArt Pixiv uses that tag often enough) or "Soul" (similar to FRLG's "Green"(/"Blue") as the rival of "Red"). TJF588 20:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Celebi Event: Silver's Abandonment Dialogue

Silver: You told me... you were the number one in the world! Are you gonna quit? What are you going to do now?
Giovanni: .................. One must acknowledge one's defeat before he can move on... I will go solo... for now... So that one day I will form a stronger organization!
Silver: What aspect of you was number one? Gathering so many only to be defeated by a mere child!
Giovanni: Putting together the potential of many is how you produce a huge power... That's what an organization is... That's the strength of an organization! I failed... to make the best use of my subordinates' potential...! But you shall witness one day the revival of me and my Team Rocket!
Silver: I don't understand you! You don't make any sense!
Giovanni: .................. One day, you will understand. (Walks away)
Silver: I don't want to understand you! I will never become someone like you. A coward when you're alone and acting like a tyrant when you're in front of other cowards! I will become strong! I will become a stronger man all by myself! All by myself!* (Walks up to player)
Silver: ...What are you staring at? (Kicks or pushes player) (Runs off)

Massive problem with his image, literally.

Right now his image is stretching the page it's so large, I've forgotten how to make images in a template smaller. Just go on his page and you'll see what I mean. Can someone fix this? - Takoto 19:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

It's a simple enough fix, I just don't know the specific size it's supposed to be or I'd fix it. Politoed666 should be able to do it. --エルレイド 19:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Rematches

In Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, and SoulSilver, Silver (In my games I own, I call him Jackson) can be rematched at the Indigo Plateau on Mondays and Wednesdays.
DragonAceCameron 01:03, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

We know...In fact, I've found out most, I believe, if not all of them, of their moves, but yeah, we already knew...--Psyライダー☮ 01:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

In my Heartgold game, since my player's name is Lien-Da, I named him Rutan.RoseofStriatonCity (talk) 22:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Stadium 2

Hair color?

Has nobody seen the difference in haircolor from Silver's HGSS back and VS sprites? Alexjuuhh 18:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

It's because of the lighting, you can see slight color differentiations in the other character's back and VS sprite as well. —♥Jello 19:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Three eye colors?

Gen II art is black, Gen IV art is grey...I'm not seeing "red" among his sprites. So where does it come from? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The opening animation when starting the game shows them as red. R.A.HunterBlade 23:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Just curious...

..but does anyone know where to see this placeholder data in HGSS that says his name is Silver? Pocketfanmk 06:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Huh??

I went to Dragon's Den on a Thursday and he was there, but he wouldn't battle me?!? It was kind of like I had battled him, as his words were like I had, but I hadn't.--Juzey!!(Talk) 16:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Have you already done the tag battle against Lance & Clair? That's the only battle involving Silver that takes place in Dragon's Den. If you want to battle him again directly, you have to meet him in Indigo Plateau on a Monday or Wednesday. —Minimiscience 18:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

In that case the article needs to be made clearer: Following Silver's final encounter with the player and after the player has become Champion, Silver can be found training on Tuesday and Thursday in the Dragon's Den, and will appear at the Indigo Plateau on Monday and Wednesday to challenge the player, should he or she appear. implies that you can battle him when he is at Dragon's Den. --Juzey!!(Talk) 09:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

His son ? Really ?

I just did the Celebi event in my SoulSilver version and found nothing to suggest that Silver is Giovanni's son. Did I miss something here, or does this article need to be edited ?--WenGobou 21:26, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

It's spelled out in the Japanese text, IIRC. Blazios 22:16, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Kay, thx. But why would they remove it from the English version ? Could a Japanese person confirm this ?--WenGobou 12:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Weak starter

Playing on an emulator, and using Pokesav to mod my save file, I gave myself Totodile and Chikorita in my PC box, and then picked Cyndaquil as my starter. I get to the first battle with Silver and he sends out a Chikorita, not a Totodile like he should have.--Lycos Ex Mortis (talk) 07:26, 19 August 2012 (UTC)