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UB,
Since you and others keep bring up the word and are clearly against "socialist" programs, I was wondering if you all will stop taking social security once you get back what you put in with interest and will you refuse medicare (which was incredibly expanded under a Republican president and both houses of congress) in favor of market based insurance options?

Silly me, Henry. Being a military pensioner and card carrying member of the DAV, my medical program is through the VA. So I'm getting into your wallet with a double whammy. Aren't you happy you asked?

But listen, during my entire military career, at no time did I consider that I was not serving on your behalf, along with the rest of your ilk. It would have lightened my load considerably, however, had I known you didn't need anyone to fight for your freedoms. Wish I'd known then that you and the rest of the leftists would willingly stand by and watch their freedoms get legislated away.

The only part of this current fiasco I am livid over, is how much of a burden you are willing to place on my grandkids and their offspring. For that, I will never forgive you or your party.

UB

When the one you love becomes a memory, that memory becomes a treasure.

Ah yes! But if you read YOUR post, the first ad hominem, was slung by you. But then leftists find calling someone 'stupid' is not considered name calling...they got so used to it in their Bush-bashing.

Just be thankful your name hasn't been mentioned to Obama as a possible cabinet member. Then you'd have to answer for your IRS 'forgetfullness'.

UB

I'm not sure I know what you are talking about.

Is your name Wayne LaPierre? That's the only person I insulted and it's nothing compared with the insults thrown at every liberal politician in comments on this forum. I tend to think politicians are open game since their roles have already turned them into caricatures, be they liberals or conservatives. But if you take my classification of Wayne LaPierre and his ilk at the NRA as idiots as a personal insult directed at you, than I am truly sorry for your misunderstanding.

And I continue to believe that Wayne LaPierre is an idiot who has undermined an otherwise legitimate organization by turning it into his personal political playpen.

Silly me, Henry. Being a military pensioner and card carrying member of the DAV, my medical program is through the VA. So I'm getting into your wallet with a double whammy. Aren't you happy you asked?

But listen, during my entire military career, at no time did I consider that I was not serving on your behalf, along with the rest of your ilk. It would have lightened my load considerably, however, had I known you didn't need anyone to fight for your freedoms. Wish I'd known then that you and the rest of the leftists would willingly stand by and watch their freedoms get legislated away.

The only part of this current fiasco I am livid over, is how much of a burden you are willing to place on my grandkids and their offspring. For that, I will never forgive you or your party.

UB

UB, I greatly appreciate your service. Why is it that you divert this discussion and assume that I am not just as much a patriot as you are because my views differ from yours? I too am greatly concerned about my childrens' and presumed grandchildrens' future. The last 8 years has resulted in a tremendous financial burden on your grandchildren. Obama has been in the office only two weeks and he is the problem because he is doing what most folks say is the right thing to do? Come on. That is just the kind of thinking which has caused the republicans to lose in the past two elections.

I have been worried for several years about our financial situationas the previous administration fully bought into a trickle down approach to economics and the associated tax breaks. What was the quote from Cheney "deficits don't matter". Well, he certainly lived that philosophy. A stimulus package is needed. This one is probably too large and has some stuff that isn't worthy, but it should help get us out of the rut we are in. More than one third is tax breaks. I am more worried about what this president will do two years from now when we are hopefully back on the right track economically.

Henry please explain to me how to have an economy any way other then trickle down. please tell me where the money comes from if not from the top. Please let me know how homeless and people in section 8 housing are going to provide anything to trickle up? It starts at the top for a reason because thats where the ideas and people with enough courage to sacrifice their own time and money to start a business. When was the last time you got a job from a poor person?

There needs to be a balance between trickle down and bottom up. It is not as simple as all one way or the other. IMHO, we are living through what can happen when things get out of balance. As Jeff has posted, the income disparity between top and middle has never been greater. More wealth has been distributed to the top end than ever before (funny, we don't call that wealth redistribution, just where did those people get all that money). If you believe in trickle down then all should be rosy right now, right?. Where are all the benefits of trickle down? Bush and company just did the experiment for 8 years. What were the results? I keep wondering if the trickle is supposed to be warm, wet, and colored yellow? If so, now I get it.

Henry please explain to me how to have an economy any way other then trickle down. please tell me where the money comes from if not from the top. Please let me know how homeless and people in section 8 housing are going to provide anything to trickle up? It starts at the top for a reason because thats where the ideas and people with enough courage to sacrifice their own time and money to start a business. When was the last time you got a job from a poor person?

The overwhelming bulk of the people in this country work and produce for a living. Are you suggesting that their incomes are charity?

The statistics on income distribution that I posted in a different thread suggest that our "experiment" in trickle down economics has failed miserably. While labor productivity has grown dramatically, labor wages have not grown significantly at all. Virtually all the benefits of these productivity improvements have accrued to the top 20%, and most have gone to the top one percent. Almost no improvements in real income have accrued to the rest (Less than 1% per year since 1979 for the lower 80% of the population versus about 4 times that for the top 20% and 10 times that for the top one percent).

We have moved from an economy where both labor and owners benefited from economic growth to one where only the wealthiest get the icing while others get the shaft. Before the attacks start, understand that I have had the privilege of being part of that top one percent for almost all of my career (I am now semi-retired). I believe that I would have done better personally if we had focused more on growing the pie for all rather than cutting smaller and smaller pieces for almost everyone so we could get more for ourselves.

My father's rule in our house was simple: one person got to cut the cake and the other got to choose the pieces. I'm not suggesting anything that simple. However, I believe our form of economy only works if the most important measure of growth is what happens to median income. If average income keeps rising faster than median income -- meaning that wealth is shifting to the richest -- our economy and our political system will inevitably fail.

I am afraid that UB has left this world as we know it. His post's on this forum have shown him to be a racist "Never has the term "spear-chucker" been so spot on.". Someone without a original thought in his head and unable to have a reasoned argument with someone without resorting to name calling and not so veiled threats.

"Like the rest of your socialistic followers that think they can blindly support an Obama administration, that is hellbent on destroying the American form of Democracy, but have the 'rights' they find worthy kept in force, is just remarkable. With your heads in the sand, does it ever occur to you why you are such an easy ass-kicking target?

Just remember, when the dust settles and the true Americans gather together and realize what your voting has done to this nation, we won't just hone in on Soros and company...we'll recall all those that were only too happy to sell the nation out."

UB your posts have been reduced just to amusement since any credibility you might have once had is gone. You would be better served to just lurk in the backround and keep your thoughts to yourself before you get in trouble with the law.

You are absolutely correct that it should have been on her disclosure forms. You are wrong if you are trying to imply it was some form of secret since it shows up in her Wikipedia biography and on the American Right at Work web sites among other places.

Edit: BTW, the original post was suggesting that it was inappropriate for her to be a member of Congress while serving on the Board and as Treasurer for American Rights at Work. It is as appropriate as the services of the NRA Board members and members of other board who are ember of Congress.

Jeff, I respect your intelligence too much to believe that you lean on any "Wiki" source. I am by no means a Wiki expert but couldn't that page have been updated on the same date as her disclosure to the house? Just sayin'.

Jeff, I respect your intelligence too much to believe that you lean on any "Wiki" source. I am by no means a Wiki expert but couldn't that page have been updated on the same date as her disclosure to the house? Just sayin'.

That element was actually updated in November when her appointment was first announced, meaning the information has been there throughout the review process.

That element was actually updated in November when her appointment was first announced, meaning the information has been there throughout the review process.

Exactly my point. Funny how all the rules get followed, and the truth comes out when the spotlights hit......and that goes for both sides of the aisle. What does that say about these folks that can't police their own actions or hold themselves accountable.

Its pretty simple to fill out that disclosure each year. I own a brokerage firm and I have to supply FINRA with a list of my outside business activities each year. I am a shareholder and board member of a private telecom company and it takes me about 2 minutes to fill that out on the forms. Call me a skeptic but if someone fails to disclose something that is supposed to pose no conflict of interest it leads me to believe it really DOES pose a conflict otherwise they wouldn't have a problem in the first place. I think our political leaders could all use a dose of skepicism from us.

As the great philosophers Cheech and Chong said, and I am paraphrasing: It looks like a dog turd, smells like a dog turd and tastes like a dog turd......IT MUST BE A DOG TURD!