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<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=hr contentEditable=false readonly="true"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Susan Werner <heinousbutch@gmail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> daravinne <daravinne@gmail.com> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October 22, 2012 6:30 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] I got groped at noisebridge at hackmeet<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>You see that email quoted below? Read it. It says what I want to say.<BR><BR>Fuck y'all motherfuckers who defend misogyny. Trying
to write anything <BR>beyond insults consumes too much time and spoons and most of y'alls are <BR>a waste of my spoons to engage with. <BR><BR>-- <BR>Sus``and take your whiter-than-a-sparkly-white-vampire-taint sexist<BR>hacker community and shove it where the sun don't shine''an<BR><BR>On Oct 22 15:02, daravinne <<A href="mailto:daravinne@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:daravinne@gmail.com">daravinne@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> I've ignored noisebridge and the mailing list for months, because the<BR>> bar got so low that i couldn't afford the drilling equipment needed to<BR>> locate it. I don't give two shits about your oogle problem or your<BR>> sleeping drama or whatever other whiny bullshit is the wankfest du<BR>> jour, but this is really, really fucking important.<BR>> <BR>> I've been on panels at two internationally recognized hackercons about<BR>> depression in the geek community, and in the longer panel at HOPE I<BR>>
brought up the pervasive habit of the "radically inclusive" hacker<BR>> community to protect abusive people and behavior in the name of not<BR>> ostracizing people or being "too PC" or otherwise fucking up the<BR>> us-against-them status quo. This is a stellar example of that<BR>> behavior. Seriously, I don't know how one gets such a mirror shine<BR>> onto a turd. Satellites can see that shit from space.<BR>> <BR>> Jesus H. Christ in a flying rat vagina, what the actual fuck is wrong<BR>> with you people? I honestly don't even have words for how completely<BR>> fucked this is. It makes me want to get a pliers from the dirty shop<BR>> and start breaking fingers until everyone's learned their lesson.<BR>> <BR>> There is a culture specific to noisebridge of nonaccountability.<BR>> There is no real penalty for unacceptable behavior. There is no<BR>> repercussion to an individual or
individuals who cross a line or harm<BR>> another person. The process of consensus must be applied to<BR>> EVERYTHING, such that no cohesive group action can be performed<BR>> efficiently or quickly, if at all. "Do-ocracy" subs for group action<BR>> but has no lasting effect on the psychology of the group or how it<BR>> functions. I have often described it as a black hole into which one<BR>> can throw unlimited amounts of resources with no return.<BR>> <BR>> There is also a culture specific to the hacker community of pervasive<BR>> emotional abuse, executed in such a way that promotes mistrust,<BR>> paranoia, fear and aggression among peers and friends. Nonvigilance<BR>> guarantees victimhood, and victims are reminded that it's their fault<BR>> for not being vigilant enough or not striking first. Infosec is the<BR>> biggest offender by far, but this mindset has spilled over
into<BR>> anything connected to the hacker scene and culture. Bonus prizes<BR>> include sexist behavior and ideology among both genders, a generous<BR>> sprinkling of rape culture, and all the slut-shaming your heart could<BR>> desire.<BR>> <BR>> Mash these two things together, and you get "a woman goes to a hacker<BR>> party and is alienated by the local hacker community to the point<BR>> where she is publicly crying, and is then sexually assaulted while<BR>> crying, in front of community members who do nothing. This same<BR>> community proceeds to then lash out at her ON THE INTERNET for<BR>> complaining about being sexually assaulted."<BR>> <BR>> Holy everloving shit, I'm in r/creepshots.<BR>> <BR>> Oh, and don't try and hand me that "noisebridge-discuss isn't the same<BR>> as the people in the actual space, isn't the same at the irc channel".<BR>> You people pass the buck so fast I'm
surprised DARPA hasn't claimed<BR>> it for renewable energy. Everyone who does something in conjunction<BR>> with the noisebridge name publicly represents the space and<BR>> philosophy, whether you like it or not. I have been uncomfortable for<BR>> a long time with declaring any association with noisebridge, because<BR>> of shit like this. The noisebridge community is an embarrassment, and<BR>> has been for a while. Fuck your bedbugs, fuck your robot, fuck your<BR>> kitchen, fuck yo couch.<BR>> <BR>> I appreciate those who have taken this seriously, vonguard and danny<BR>> and ron and liz and whoever else i'm forgetting. I have been through<BR>> many incidences of emotional and physical abuse from hackers, and<BR>> those incidences have been witnessed by hackers, who have sat by and<BR>> done nothing, or blamed me if I tried to stand up for myself. As<BR>> someone who has
experienced abusive behavior in the hacker community<BR>> for years, the statement "we should probably be more proactive about<BR>> this" feels inadequate.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" ymailto="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</A><BR><A href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss" target=_blank>https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</A><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></div></body></html>