The Log Cabin Republicans, a gay Republican group, on Wednesday criticized a new ad from Rick Perry in which the Texas governor and Republican presidential candidate suggests "there's something wrong" when gays can serve openly in the military but kids "can't openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school."

"Our nation was built upon individual liberty and individual responsibility, and open service by gay and lesbian servicemembers is directly in line with the vision of our Founding Fathers," said R. Clarke Cooper, Executive Director of the Log Cabin Republicans. "It is wrong for Governor Perry to assume being a person of faith does not afford one to support equality."

Perry's new ad, seemingly designed to appeal to far-right conservatives, includes a call by the candidate to end "Obama's war on religion."

To Perry supporters: I am glad that Perry supports marriage strongly, and is pro-life. And it should go without saying that many conservatives who are not supporting Perry (including me) would vote for him, AGAINST Obama, if Perry were to become our nominee.

But that said ... I do not understand how can you continue in your boosterism for Perry when he has shown himself to be SO incompetent in the all important exchange of ideas?

And I am not just talking about his little "oops" slip-up. Did any of you watch the "candidates' forum" moderated by Huckabee a few days ago?

This was an excellent non-debate format where each candidate got to have his time alone with the questioners. The questioners were the three state attorneys general who are the lead plaintiffs in challenging OBAMAcare before the Supreme Court (Ken Cucinelli of VA, Pam Bondi of FL, and another AG from OK).

Well even in this non-debate scenario, Perry was a disaster!

Did you hear Cucinelli's and Bondi's post-forum analysis of Perry's answers regarding OBAMAcare? Devastating to Perry.

And before anyone goes off on Cucinelli and Bondi - they are NOT lamestream media leftists. They are flat-out constitutional conservatives and experts on OBAMAcare.

{Our nation was built upon individual liberty and individual responsibility, and open service by gay and lesbian servicemembers is directly in line with the vision of our Founding Fathers,” said R. Clarke Cooper, Executive Director of the Log Cabin Republicans)

Keep telling yourself that Mr Cooper. You might even believe it. But our founders were men and women of God for the most part and homosexual acts are a sin and as such would never have been accepted or tolerated by the Founders. Homosexual acts were crimes for most of our (human beings) history and are still such in many parts of the world.

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posted on 12/07/2011 1:45:51 PM PST
by SECURE AMERICA
(Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)

What’s funny about how this is worded is Perry didn’t say there was something wrong with gays serving openly in the military (although we know he thinks it). He said there’s something wrong when gays can serve openly but kids can’t pray openly in school or celebrate Christmas openly in school.

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posted on 12/07/2011 2:18:03 PM PST
by normy
(Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)

Not sure what your problem was with Perry's response. He did allow himself to get distracted when he was talking about the various head of the agencies, but he very clearly stated that an Executive order could reverse parts of it and that the various department heads could, through their rulings take care of the rest of it.

I see very little difference between that and executive sequestration (impoundment) of funds for programs of which they don't approve (first used by Jefferson during his 3rd year). It is also not essentially different from the signing statements that almost every President since Munro has issued and that Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, and now Obama have used to negate aspects of the laws they signed.

Actually Huckabee gave Perry high marks for the forum, said it was by far his best performance to date in the debates. Coming from Huckabee, who has no fondness whatsoever for Perry, I found that very encouraging.

Also, IIRC, Pam Bondi had effusive praise for Perry’s staunch defense of the 10th Amendment. The Virginia and Olklahoma AG’s saw it much the same way. If you recall, the reason for the forum was to see which of the candidates were constitutional conservatives.

The consensus among Huckabee and the 3 AG’s was that Perry certainly fit that mold. On the matter of EO’s trumping law, the AG’s obviously tried to help Perry walk that back a bit, and he did. He made clear that regulations within Executive Branch agencies were an additional tool he could weild to undo Obamacare.

On balance, I got the impression that Huckabee and the AG’s were favorably inclined towards the Governor’s responses.

I do not have a TV, nor did I hear the commentators remarks about Perry after the debate, but I do remember that Reagan did not do well int he debate with Carter in 1980, but people trusted him anyway because of the things he’d been saying all along. We need to look at the total candidate, not the ability to debate well. Newt can debate well, granted, but he cannot stay conservative (leadership values) because that is not who is he is really. He is a big government Republican who likens himself to Teddy Roosevelt. TR founded the first socialist party in America.

Not all people do well on stage. One who governs well may not be orally gifted, but I would 100 times over prefer someone who was a great leader than one who awes everybody with his speeches but destroys the land I love. After 3 years of the teleprompter and all the hooplah about how smart The One is, wouldn’t it be nice to have an ordinary American, one who loves America, has some sense about governing and a good track record at that?

From the article:"there's something wrong" when gays can serve openly in the military but kids "can't openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school."

Perry may not play to this group's single agenda, but he points out the example of how left this country has moved in a very short period of time.

He sees it, he knows it, and he wants to restore American values. Not only that--he appears to genuinely mean it. If his vision has offended anyone and he doesn't sound like a car salesmen at a debate, oh well.

Excellent - anyone the Log Cabin ("Old Abe was a homo") fake Repbulicans hates, has to have some redeeming qualities! Good comparison - flaming fags can now serve in the military, and people children can't pray or celebrate Christ's birth in public schools.

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posted on 12/07/2011 3:13:37 PM PST
by little jeremiah
(We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)

SOmeone better overturn homosexuals in the military or we are FINISHED as a republic. FINISHED. All they need to do, once a real conservative is President, is write up a new bill, have the R majority House and Congress pass it, and send it up to be signed.

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posted on 12/07/2011 3:14:55 PM PST
by little jeremiah
(We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)

Perry has greatly improved on his debating skills. I still think the first 3 that he did not do well in, was due to just having back surgery. I did not know Huckabee “has no fondness” for Perry. What’s that about?

After 3 years of the teleprompter and all the hooplah about how smart The One is, wouldnt it be nice to have an ordinary American

Sure, it would be nice. I wish we could go back to the way campaigning was done in the Lincol -Douglas race.

And we would all probably like a president as "ordinary" and plain-spoken as Truman (if we could magically transform him into a constitutionalist Republican).

But that's not reality anymore, and we can't go back. Today a candidate, no matter how honest and philosophically true to the constitution, can get go nowhere unless he or she is also capable of cultivating a media-savvy persona and a quick wit. He or she will also be left in the dust without a comprehensive knowledge of issues both foreign and domestic, that the candidate is capable of drawing on, articulately, in front of the tv lights, and in an instant.

What are you saying? From all reports on the Huckabee forum, Governor Rick Perry gave his strongest performance. When Perry said that he would wipe Obamacare off the face of the earth with an executive order, that’s when Cuccinelli questioned how he could eliminate a law of Congress with executive action. Perry gave all a lesson in his executive expertise by saying that an executive order could stop parts of the health care law which would render it ineffective. He also said, But also, as I said earlier, having men and women in those agencies who are going to share your philosophy  I think thats an important message.

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi: “Perry is the one that lived up to being the 10th Amendment Purist Tonight”

Tweet from Ann Coulter to David Limbaugh: “I thought ole Rick Perry did very well.”

“I THINK RICK PERRY HAD HIS BEST DEBATE TONIGHT, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THIS WAS HIS FINEST HOUR, HE HAD SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS, AND HE ANSWERED THEM WELL, HE KNOWS THE CONSTITUTION, AND STICKS TO IT, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY HE STUCK OUT AS THE MOST CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE IN THE DEBATE TONIGHT !” ~ MIKE HUCKABEE

Perry didnt say there was something wrong with gays serving openly in the military (although we know he thinks it). He said theres something wrong when gays can serve openly but kids cant pray openly in school or celebrate Christmas openly in school.

Correct analysis. He sees every attempt by the left to turn us into Rome, and he has a rollback planned for every ‘success’ they’ve shoved down our throats. Let the man do his work.

I'm offended but that is ok because I know how rough politics can be. I am an evangelical Christian who Loves the Lord Jesus Christ. I'm not a poser, just want to know because I like Huckabee and I want Perry to be our next POTUS. You totally misunderstood my questioning. If you new me personally, you would have not came to that conclusion.

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