Seeking Insight on Disabled Life - We Make Zines2015-03-03T22:39:42Zhttp://wemakezines.ning.com/forum/topics/seeking-insight-on-disabled-life?x=1&id=2288844%3ATopic%3A329884&feed=yes&xn_auth=nothe advice i was talking abou…tag:wemakezines.ning.com,2012-10-12:2288844:Comment:3338942012-10-12T10:20:18.693Zbobby madnesshttp://wemakezines.ning.com/profile/bobbymadness
<p>the advice i was talking about was to take "simon's cat" as an example-i actually watched it and it seemed pretty pathetic,in my opinion.you are right though,i would go so far as to say that that is the essence of cartooning-maximum impact with a minimum amount of lines,and it's definitely a matter of opinion.i would use an example like Otto Dix or something,though-something as hastily drawn and patently commercial as "simon's cat"just really doesn't seem even worth citing as an example-i…</p>
<p>the advice i was talking about was to take "simon's cat" as an example-i actually watched it and it seemed pretty pathetic,in my opinion.you are right though,i would go so far as to say that that is the essence of cartooning-maximum impact with a minimum amount of lines,and it's definitely a matter of opinion.i would use an example like Otto Dix or something,though-something as hastily drawn and patently commercial as "simon's cat"just really doesn't seem even worth citing as an example-i mean,"Ziggy" has a huge following,but it shouldn't be drawn.But,you are absolutely correct,my comment was asshole-ish.I guess when she said "so there",i just figured it was alright to say-I tried to delete it,but my computer is 11 year's old.On the other hand,if a zine isn't crafted well enough,should the person really be encouraged to keep producing sub-par material,or what?To me,one of the best part's of self publishing is leaving yourself open to peoples opinion's,right or wrong.Not that that's the case with the artist,but just in general.Plenty of people tell me my zine suck's all the time-I don't really take it personally.</p> ???
It's got a huge followin…tag:wemakezines.ning.com,2012-10-11:2288844:Comment:3338792012-10-11T23:37:12.899ZElainehttp://wemakezines.ning.com/profile/ElaineMoertl
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<p>It's got a huge following. What advice did I give you? All I pointed out was that artistic ability often doesn't come into play with those who follow a creation.</p>
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<p>It's got a huge following. What advice did I give you? All I pointed out was that artistic ability often doesn't come into play with those who follow a creation.</p> i just looked at simon's cat…tag:wemakezines.ning.com,2012-10-11:2288844:Comment:3338712012-10-11T20:35:27.619Zbobby madnesshttp://wemakezines.ning.com/profile/bobbymadness
<p>i just looked at simon's cat on youtube,and i can say without a doubt i am never taking your advice again.</p>
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<p>i just looked at simon's cat on youtube,and i can say without a doubt i am never taking your advice again.</p>
<p></p> That.....sounds sort of snark…tag:wemakezines.ning.com,2012-10-11:2288844:Comment:3341342012-10-11T12:32:08.964ZElainehttp://wemakezines.ning.com/profile/ElaineMoertl
<p>That.....sounds sort of snarky. There are all levels of artistic ability. If the cartoonist likes the look of their comic, they like it. If others like it, then isn't that the whole point?</p>
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<p>Look how simple Simon's Cat is drawn, minimalistic, yet it's got a huge following. The Far Side is the same way - just simple lines. I've seen some detailed cartoons which had to have taken the artist a LONG time to do that didn't get the point across as well. It's all in the eye of…</p>
<p>That.....sounds sort of snarky. There are all levels of artistic ability. If the cartoonist likes the look of their comic, they like it. If others like it, then isn't that the whole point?</p>
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<p>Look how simple Simon's Cat is drawn, minimalistic, yet it's got a huge following. The Far Side is the same way - just simple lines. I've seen some detailed cartoons which had to have taken the artist a LONG time to do that didn't get the point across as well. It's all in the eye of the beholder.</p> that's great that you think y…tag:wemakezines.ning.com,2012-10-11:2288844:Comment:3341332012-10-11T07:36:56.333Zbobby madnesshttp://wemakezines.ning.com/profile/bobbymadness
<p>that's great that you think your zine is drawn well.</p>
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<p>that's great that you think your zine is drawn well.</p>
<p></p> Well I draw a comic zine too,…tag:wemakezines.ning.com,2012-10-10:2288844:Comment:3339352012-10-10T21:55:33.440ZHeather Wreckagehttp://wemakezines.ning.com/profile/Heather
<p>Well I draw a comic zine too, and I don't think it's drawn horribly. Plus I have interviews and keep it pretty personal, so there.</p>
<p>Well I draw a comic zine too, and I don't think it's drawn horribly. Plus I have interviews and keep it pretty personal, so there.</p> alot of zine people look down…tag:wemakezines.ning.com,2012-10-06:2288844:Comment:3336342012-10-06T11:43:34.174Zbobby madnesshttp://wemakezines.ning.com/profile/bobbymadness
<p>alot of zine people look down on comic zines,because they are not traditional zine fare.there's no band interviews,or scene report's,they're often lacking personal experiences that are divulged in most zines that you see.plus,most of them are drawn so horribly,i feel obligated to apologize for the entire genre',since it's an embearassment.also,my comic's specifically are so personal they border on self immolation.if you saw some of my comic's,you would know why i'm apologizing for drawing…</p>
<p>alot of zine people look down on comic zines,because they are not traditional zine fare.there's no band interviews,or scene report's,they're often lacking personal experiences that are divulged in most zines that you see.plus,most of them are drawn so horribly,i feel obligated to apologize for the entire genre',since it's an embearassment.also,my comic's specifically are so personal they border on self immolation.if you saw some of my comic's,you would know why i'm apologizing for drawing them.<br/> <br/> <cite>Heather Wreckage said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wemakezines.ning.com/forum/topics/seeking-insight-on-disabled-life?commentId=2288844%3AComment%3A333322&amp;xg_source=activity#2288844Comment333367"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>on a side note, why are you sorry you do a comic zine?</p>
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</blockquote> actually,i met a girl my frie…tag:wemakezines.ning.com,2012-10-06:2288844:Comment:3336332012-10-06T11:37:40.957Zbobby madnesshttp://wemakezines.ning.com/profile/bobbymadness
<p>actually,i met a girl my friend introduced me too that has cerebal palsy,and we talked at length.it was cool.i wasn't really getting frustrated,i just thought that instead of actually seeing the question i was asking,people were just critisizing it,and using it as a soapbox for announcing thier opinion's.i personally feel that since alot of people use wheelchair's,it's underrepresented in zines.as a supposedly alternative culture,i would think everyone would be represented and…</p>
<p>actually,i met a girl my friend introduced me too that has cerebal palsy,and we talked at length.it was cool.i wasn't really getting frustrated,i just thought that instead of actually seeing the question i was asking,people were just critisizing it,and using it as a soapbox for announcing thier opinion's.i personally feel that since alot of people use wheelchair's,it's underrepresented in zines.as a supposedly alternative culture,i would think everyone would be represented and celebrated,regardless,but unfortunately that isn't the case.to me,a google search would be impersonal and not informative enough.<br/> <br/> <cite>bobby madness said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wemakezines.ning.com/forum/comment/show?id=2288844%3AComment%3A333632&amp;xn_out=json&amp;firstPage=0&amp;lastPage=1&amp;xg_token=e3c93f0579780e416c1cee8123159971&amp;_=1349522980680#2288844Comment333632"><div><p><br/> <br/> <cite>enola dismay said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wemakezines.ning.com/forum/topics/seeking-insight-on-disabled-life?commentId=2288844%3AComment%3A333322&amp;xg_source=activity#2288844Comment330940"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>hi bobby. i agree that you should do a google search or something. it seems like you are not getting the answers you're looking for. maybe after reading some blogs [or books at the library or something] by wheelchair users you will be able to narrow down what you want the characteristics of the person in your book to be and how that affects what kinds of challenges they face. is it different? yes. of course. but what is this person doing in day-to-day life? and how are they [dis]abled? there are many different ways in which people can use wheelchairs, and many different types of wheelchairs. </p>
<p>these are just some suggestions because it seems like you're getting frustrated.</p>
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hi bobby…tag:wemakezines.ning.com,2012-10-06:2288844:Comment:3336322012-10-06T11:29:54.671Zbobby madnesshttp://wemakezines.ning.com/profile/bobbymadness
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>enola dismay said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wemakezines.ning.com/forum/topics/seeking-insight-on-disabled-life?commentId=2288844%3AComment%3A333322&amp;xg_source=activity#2288844Comment330940"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>hi bobby. i agree that you should do a google search or something. it seems like you are not getting the answers you're looking for. maybe after reading some blogs [or books at the library or something] by wheelchair users you will…</p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>enola dismay said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://wemakezines.ning.com/forum/topics/seeking-insight-on-disabled-life?commentId=2288844%3AComment%3A333322&amp;xg_source=activity#2288844Comment330940"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>hi bobby. i agree that you should do a google search or something. it seems like you are not getting the answers you're looking for. maybe after reading some blogs [or books at the library or something] by wheelchair users you will be able to narrow down what you want the characteristics of the person in your book to be and how that affects what kinds of challenges they face. is it different? yes. of course. but what is this person doing in day-to-day life? and how are they [dis]abled? there are many different ways in which people can use wheelchairs, and many different types of wheelchairs. </p>
<p>these are just some suggestions because it seems like you're getting frustrated.</p>
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</blockquote> Yeah, I do comic zines too, w…tag:wemakezines.ning.com,2012-10-04:2288844:Comment:3334412012-10-04T23:28:54.206ZElainehttp://wemakezines.ning.com/profile/ElaineMoertl
<p>Yeah, I do comic zines too, what's to be sorry about?</p>
<p>Yeah, I do comic zines too, what's to be sorry about?</p>