Assuming your standard open is to 3x then you lose 3bb everytime you fold vs a 3bet. Over your sample in $ value should you folded every time you'd lose 700$(losing 20c a pot) Now with your defending you have cut down your loses by 200$( thats included all the times you had your premium hands and stacked them)

My loss rate when facing a 3bet is -59bb/100 which means i lose 0.59bb per hand when im facing a 3bet instead of losing 3bb should i folded. By the same calculation you are losing -2.1bb per hand when your facing a 3bet which means your doing something wrong. It could be just folding 2 many times or you could be overdefending and getting into tough spots postflop. You might not be 4betting enough(which in turn effects your KK,AA to not get paid off) It could be a bunch of reasons why your losing way to much money in this spot. You should really go into the specific spots to see how your doing instead of just running 1 filter.

Add another filter and filter out QQ+AK to see how your 4bet bluffs are doing. Obv your going to win by 4betting if you only do it with AA.

Filtered. Its 50 hands and the profit is 44$.

Well this means that your 4bets are getting a lot of credit since your winning 4.4bb per hand when ever you decide to 4bet bluff. If you would have folded you would lose -3bb per hand so that means your making a whopping 7.4bb everytime you decide to 4bet bluff instead of fold.

This means you should be 4betting way more since your getting a ton of credit, but also don't go to many crazy since ppl will adapt once your 4bet gets over 3%.

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by mkjmkjmkj: 31.10.2012 08:44.

but i think it also depends on how wide you are opening and how often you are getting 3bet. if you are stealing alot and it works it might not be a mistake to lose money when you get 3bet because of the money you win when you steal.

at the moment i am also trying to look at how to defend against 3bets.
i hope its fine im using your thread to ask
i would kind of like to know how wide people are opening and how often they are faced a 3bet.

when you are calculating how often you are facing 3bet you should use how many hands you raised first in which is only 40% of all hands in unopened pot in the small blind so you shoul change the filter to raise first in and then make the calculation.

Originally posted by mkjmkjmkj
when you are calculating how often you are facing 3bet you should use how many hands you raised first in which is only 40% of all hands in unopened pot in the small blind so you shoul change the filter to raise first in and then make the calculation.

I cannot find filter raise first in in HM1. Maybe it does not have this.

Originally posted by mkjmkjmkj
when you are calculating how often you are facing 3bet you should use how many hands you raised first in which is only 40% of all hands in unopened pot in the small blind so you shoul change the filter to raise first in and then make the calculation.

I cannot find filter raise first in in HM1. Maybe it does not have this.

ups wrong quote

i dont know i use pokertracker
but you can also just use the pfr percentages of the hands in unopened pot and calculate it that way.
so sb 2146 *0.405
early 3116 * 0.146