Ya Mason Raymond is not a good player. Canuck fans need to start accepting this.

why do we need to accept that a 23 YO player that has shown tremendous signs in his development, playing his best hockey of his career so far in the playoffs, is not going to develop any further than the player he is right now??

he might not have much value on the trade market, but you've got to be pretty new to hockey to assume that a player at that age, who's shown the talent that he has, is not going to develop any further at all.

He was one of the Canucks better players in his first playoffs ever. Writing him off now would be insane!

why do we need to accept that a 23 YO player that has shown tremendous signs in his development, playing his best hockey of his career so far in the playoffs, is not going to develop any further than the player he is right now??

he might not have much value on the trade market, but you've got to be pretty new to hockey to assume that a player at that age, who's shown the talent that he has, is not going to develop any further at all.

He was one of the Canucks better players in his first playoffs ever. Writing him off now would be insane!

But thinking he getsw Marlou is like bringing a saturday night special to an UZI fight

Ah yes, the old "he must be leeching of Joe Thornton" argument. It's completely rubbish and doesn't become true just because people repeat it all the time, but hey, why bother...

It was Patrick Marleau who carried that line for large parts of the season. It's just stupid how people on these boards continue to talk down good players just because they are playing with other good players. Doesn't matter if it's Marleau, one of Ottawa's big line or someone entirely different.

It's perfectly fine not to want a player for one reason or another, but don't come up with reasons that are just bs.

I'd say it's more than probable he'll stay in San Jose beyond the end of next season so San Jose won't be 'giving' him away as a rental...

If he's going to be in San Jose "beyond the end of next season", then obviously he isn't going to be available for a trade this summer, San Jose won't be giving him away at all, and this entire thread is pointless.