I can't get my head round why the media have no problem questioning/exposing stuff all the way up to royalty, but won't go anywhere near the meat of this case. I don't buy it is because of being sued, either.

I agree with others it is something big and possibly not directly related to the M's/what happened to Madeleine, I just can't think what that could be to cause the media to behave how they have or why OG would conduct a whitewash/coverup in public to appease a public 99.9% of which have basically forgotten/don't care/had enough of it.

Actually I think it IS because they're frightened of being sued......even posters on here are hence the putting of allegedly and IMO after most posts.JohnyT

(IMO of course!)

But why seemingly only in this case? There have been hundreds of allegations and revelations by the press on royalty, politicians and celebs in the seven years of this case and the prospect of them being sued didn't stop them. Some people have successfully sued the press and they still do this.

What is it that is stopping them posting facts? Can't be successfully sued for that can they?

Is it they are awaiting a trial win for Amaral and then the Kraken will be released?

I believe that there may have been some very very wealthy business men partaking in activities that week - who pulled in favours.

I just don't believe anyone wealthy would go to a cheapo MarkWarner holiday out of season, and even tho it was cheap FP and DP make it clear in their rogs that they still blagged discounts. - you are taking GM at his own inflated sense of importance. No way was this a shady Bilderburg type week - plenty of more discreet and luxurious places to go and do nefarious things behind closed doors if that is what anyone wanted to do.If it was pre-planned and/or an establishment cover-up neither we nor the media nor the world would ever have heard of the McCanns, and there would certainly be no cadaver scent found by any dogs in the apartment.

So, if you dont believe anyone wealthy would go to a cheapo MarkWarner holiday out of season, how do you explain PE being there - on the board of STEMCOR no less? How do you explain Bridget and husband there. Even Consultants are very well paid by most peoples standards. DP, MO, RO GM - all Consultants - not just average doctors. Check their GMC registrations - all Consultants earning nice big salaries. How do you explain them being there? In your opinion nobody 'wealthy would go to a cheapo MarkWarner holiday out of season' yet we can clearly see that they did do week commencing 28th April 2007. In my opinion they can and did - what is puzzling is why they went... and I dont know why that was.

STEMCOR Stemcor is one of the world’s largest independent steel traders.Our services span every step in the steel supply chain and include finance, provision of raw materials, steel trading, distribution and stockholding. With turnover exceeding £5bn in 2012, we trade around 20 million tonnes of steel and steel-making raw materials per annum through a network of offices in 45 different countries. Stemcor aims to be the partner of choice for producers and purchasers of steel in every part of the world. We achieve this by nurturing strong business relationships, by continuously improving our processes and by adding value at every step - from minehead to factory floor.

Stemcor’s strategic direction will remain unchanged. Oppenheimer will continue to be an active Chairman and have oversight of Group strategy, mergers, acquisitions, disposals and structural changes. Philip Edmonds will continue as Deputy Chairman.

I can't get my head round why the media have no problem questioning/exposing stuff all the way up to royalty, but won't go anywhere near the meat of this case. I don't buy it is because of being sued, either.

I agree with others it is something big and possibly not directly related to the M's/what happened to Madeleine, I just can't think what that could be to cause the media to behave how they have or why OG would conduct a whitewash/coverup in public to appease a public 99.9% of which have basically forgotten/don't care/had enough of it.

Actually I think it IS because they're frightened of being sued......even posters on here are hence the putting of allegedly and IMO after most posts.JohnyT

(IMO of course!)

But why seemingly only in this case? There have been hundreds of allegations and revelations by the press on royalty, politicians and celebs in the seven years of this case and the prospect of them being sued didn't stop them. Some people have successfully sued the press and they still do this.

What is it that is stopping them posting facts? Can't be successfully sued for that can they?

Is it they are awaiting a trial win for Amaral and then the Kraken will be released?

If injunctions/super injunctions are in place, fear of imprisonment would stop editors/owners from printing anything when ordered to do so by the courts.

We know there are celebs using the courts (injunctions) to stop tales of their private lives emerging, who knows who has what injunction in place?

I`m beginning to think this has nothing to do with any particular political party covering up. It goes beyond them to the people who control politicians, i.e. the Secret Services. Watching Richard Hall`s documentary made me see things more clearly. It is the appointment of CM that is so obviously a spooks operation.

I`ve often thought the Mcs were fighting the SSs and that`s why they immediately created the publicity whirlwind. It could be that the Mcs and SSs had each other by the short and curlies. The Mcs wanted MBMs body back and they were going to make one hell of a fuss about it. CM was there to control what they said and no doubt BK played a similar part.

Just my thoughts at the moment.

____________________The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear - Jiddu Krishnamurti

It would be good if an MP would stand in the HOC and name names, but I think I remember reading that Bercow has said that Members of the House should be very careful about doing this sort of thing again?

I can't get my head round why the media have no problem questioning/exposing stuff all the way up to royalty, but won't go anywhere near the meat of this case. I don't buy it is because of being sued, either.

I agree with others it is something big and possibly not directly related to the M's/what happened to Madeleine, I just can't think what that could be to cause the media to behave how they have or why OG would conduct a whitewash/coverup in public to appease a public 99.9% of which have basically forgotten/don't care/had enough of it.

Actually I think it IS because they're frightened of being sued......even posters on here are hence the putting of allegedly and IMO after most posts.JohnyT

(IMO of course!)

That's a very good point Johny. The McCanns have firmly established themselves in the nation's psyche as victims of the Press. They have received a number of large payouts and they told the world and its dog the sheer hell the press had put them through when they appeared at the Leveson Enquiry. They have, or at least appear to have, the sympathy of those who wish to chastise the media.

Some UK newspaper had to hand over large sum of money to the McCanns and are probably not keen to do so again. On their newsdesks, the missing Madeleine is moving towards the bottom of the pile, there are newer, fresher, stories that are of more interest to the public, than a weekly helping of 'new suspect' and the McCanns' agony. Hard to believe, but not many people are as obsessed with this case as we are! Editors know that every McCann story is a legal minefield, so they stick with safe. They either don't have the time, the resources or the interest in new Maddie stories to investigate them thoroughly.

Having said that, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when the Smithman efits hit the newsdesks. How could they write a story without making any reference to the similarity between Gerry and the efits, but most of them managed it if I recollect correctly. The public weren't so easily fooled and within hours the wags on twitter were superimposing the faces with Gerry and finding a match! Maybe some things don't need saying.

I believe that there may have been some very very wealthy business men partaking in activities that week - who pulled in favours.

I just don't believe anyone wealthy would go to a cheapo MarkWarner holiday out of season, and even tho it was cheap FP and DP make it clear in their rogs that they still blagged discounts. - you are taking GM at his own inflated sense of importance. No way was this a shady Bilderburg type week - plenty of more discreet and luxurious places to go and do nefarious things behind closed doors if that is what anyone wanted to do.If it was pre-planned and/or an establishment cover-up neither we nor the media nor the world would ever have heard of the McCanns, and there would certainly be no cadaver scent found by any dogs in the apartment.

So, if you dont believe anyone wealthy would go to a cheapo MarkWarner holiday out of season, how do you explain PE being there - on the board of STEMCOR no less? How do you explain Bridget and husband there. Even Consultants are very well paid by most peoples standards. DP, MO, RO GM - all Consultants - not just average doctors. Check their GMC registrations - all Consultants earning nice big salaries. How do you explain them being there? In your opinion nobody 'wealthy would go to a cheapo MarkWarner holiday out of season' yet we can clearly see that they did do week commencing 28th April 2007. In my opinion they can and did - what is puzzling is why they went... and I dont know why that was.

STEMCOR Stemcor is one of the world’s largest independent steel traders.Our services span every step in the steel supply chain and include finance, provision of raw materials, steel trading, distribution and stockholding. With turnover exceeding £5bn in 2012, we trade around 20 million tonnes of steel and steel-making raw materials per annum through a network of offices in 45 different countries. Stemcor aims to be the partner of choice for producers and purchasers of steel in every part of the world. We achieve this by nurturing strong business relationships, by continuously improving our processes and by adding value at every step - from minehead to factory floor.

Stemcor’s strategic direction will remain unchanged. Oppenheimer will continue to be an active Chairman and have oversight of Group strategy, mergers, acquisitions, disposals and structural changes. Philip Edmonds will continue as Deputy Chairman.

I agree, HelenMeg, Let's not forget banker, Robert Naylor, was also there.

I believe that there may have been some very very wealthy business men partaking in activities that week - who pulled in favours.

I just don't believe anyone wealthy would go to a cheapo MarkWarner holiday out of season, and even tho it was cheap FP and DP make it clear in their rogs that they still blagged discounts. - you are taking GM at his own inflated sense of importance. No way was this a shady Bilderburg type week - plenty of more discreet and luxurious places to go and do nefarious things behind closed doors if that is what anyone wanted to do.If it was pre-planned and/or an establishment cover-up neither we nor the media nor the world would ever have heard of the McCanns, and there would certainly be no cadaver scent found by any dogs in the apartment.

So, if you dont believe anyone wealthy would go to a cheapo MarkWarner holiday out of season, how do you explain PE being there - on the board of STEMCOR no less? How do you explain Bridget and husband there. Even Consultants are very well paid by most peoples standards. DP, MO, RO GM - all Consultants - not just average doctors. Check their GMC registrations - all Consultants earning nice big salaries. How do you explain them being there? In your opinion nobody 'wealthy would go to a cheapo MarkWarner holiday out of season' yet we can clearly see that they did do week commencing 28th April 2007. In my opinion they can and did - what is puzzling is why they went... and I dont know why that was.

I can see Praiaaa's point that MW wont be choice of the super duper rich.MW is not 5-stars, at most 3-stars. Incidentally star rating is given according to facilities on offer, and not according to standard of furnishing or furniture or quality of service.The more amenities and facilities on offer eg. pool, tennis court, WIFI, safe, saloons, boutiques, spa, creche, boat or equipment for water sports etc, in a holiday accommodation the higher the star ratings.

People taking packaged accommodation of this sort of category are typically ordinary working middle class, which the T9 are. MW is not a seedy back packers type nor an extremely low cost no facilities type. It's mid of the range, exactly the sort taken up by middle class with decent wages (bankers, doctors, white collar workers) on a budget holiday for the family. Simple decent accommodation with facilities, nothing extraordinary for not extraordinary people.

Generally not preferred choice of the super duper wealthy, but there are exceptions to the rule of course, if the wealthy is super stingy or prudent with money.

The wealthy have been known to drop their standards and take a side road if there is something tempting on their arrival there. IMO that`s how the upper crust are controlled - all it takes is a weakness in themselves and their whole family are done for and open to blackmail.

They are taking far too long. If they are focusing on netting the bogus private detectives and other peripheral characters as well for perverting the course of justice then fair enough.But so far despite the CW appeal, digs, and interviews of Tom Dick and Harry in Portuguese, silence so far.

Can only be very good (watertight) or VERY bad (no head or tail, no clue)

Sir Peter Fahy, the chief constable of Greater Manchester police, is to be interviewed under criminal caution as part of an investigation into whether his force allowed a teenager to enter the home of an alleged paedophile.The Independent Police Complaints Commission announced on Tuesday that Fahy and other top officers from GMP had been placed under investigation over a series of allegations. The IPCC has launched three investigations into GMP after hearing claims from a whistleblower, who is a serving officer.

The allegations against GMP included that officers:• Bugged an office at GMP and allowed armed robbers who were under surveillance to attack a pub instead of stopping them.• Failed to intervene and detain a suspected sex offender who was under surveillance, but as police tried to gather more evidence, allowed a child to enter the suspect's home.• Mishandled the disposal of body parts belonging to victims of the serial killer Dr Harold Shipman.

The IPCC said the investigation into Fahy related to allegations that may breach the criminal law and police discipline regulations. They stem from the allegation that GMP detectives allowed an operation into a suspected paedophile to run on too long, and thus placed a teenager in danger of being attacked. The criminal investigation into Fahy will examine if he had knowledge of the operation into the sex offender and of the strategic decisions it operated within.

CRIMINAL Investigation into his conductCriminal investigation - under Caution - as to whether the operation went on too longWhistleblower a serving police officer

He's got enough 'worries' about what the 'files' the PJ will 'release' will 'expose' about the Met co-operation, or NOT, if they re-shelve, NOT CLOSE, their latest 'investigation'!

Just like Stuart Prior, of Leicester Police, had to face, not realising, his, er, 'helpfulness', to the Madeleine 'investigation' he led, would be released, by the PJ. He never, in his worst nightmare, THOUGHT his er, 'input' into his investigation with the PJ would EVER 'see the light of day'

But we all know what THOUGHT did, don't we?

So does Stuart Prior..........NOW!-----------------------------------------------------------------"We prefer not to discuss this with Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior of Leicestershire Police. We have the impression that he is only here to accompany the McCanns' interrogations and to prevent their detention. His concern on that subject is obvious" (to us, the PJ).

MP calls for head of Greater Manchester Police to be suspended after criminal probe is launched by watchdog into his role in 'bungled' sex crime suspect investigationChief constable Sir Peter Fahy handed criminal and gross misconduct notice55-year-old is one of three serving officers to be served with notice by IPCCNotice in relation to 'poorly-handled' investigation of suspected sex offenderRochdale MP Simon Danczuk has called for him to be suspended from duty

"what i know is there's a lot of pressure on the (UK?) police. The Prime Minister, David Cameron, has spoken on camera about 'this issue' in the past and expessed his desire that investigation IS 'concluded'. The home secretary, the interior minister back in Britain, has spoken on several occaisions. A lot of PUBLIC money has been SPENT on Operation Grange, the British police's investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, and there IS the PUBLIC OPINION. There is pressure on the police".

"This investigation is ANYTHING but 'normal' and it has NEVER been 'normal' from the very day Madeleine McCann disappeared"------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, THAT has to be the UNDERSTATEMENT, of this, or many YEARS, previously!

eta: Smithman is 'WHITE'

PJ say 'a foreigner' to Portugal.

UK detective, DCI Redwood, lead investigator of Operation Grange, the investigation into the 'disappearance' of Madeleine McCann, 'requests' THREE native Portuguese and a Russian 'suspects' are 'questioned and arguidoed for the duration of his current investigation'!

HOW DOES THAT 'WORK'?

Still, DCI Redwood won't personally have to pay 'compo' to the 4 'suspects/arguidoes' identified by his OG 'team' for possibly life long 'damages to their reputations' will he?

He's got enough 'worries' about what the 'files' the PJ will 'release' will 'expose' about the Met co-operation, or NOT, if they re-shelve, NOT CLOSE, their latest 'investigation'!

Just like Stuart Prior, of Leicester Police, had to face, not realising, his, er, 'helpfulness', to the Madeleine 'investigation' he led, would be released, by the PJ. He never, in his worst nightmare, THOUGHT his er, 'input' into his investigation with the PJ would EVER 'see the light of day'

But we all know what THOUGHT did, don't we?

So does Stuart Prior..........NOW!-----------------------------------------------------------------"We prefer not to discuss this with Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior of Leicestershire Police. We have the impression that he is only here to accompany the McCanns' interrogations and to prevent their detention. His concern on that subject is obvious" (to us, the PJ).

Exactly, and OG know the PJ will do the same again.

The PJ have not re-opened the case and co-operated with SY simply to go through the motions. They want a result. Payback time after their reputation being trashed.

SY daren't risk a whitewash as it will be a massive own goal for them and the British Government.

@Carrry On Doctor wrote:This case is not going to go away and SY know it.Evidence allowing, I think they have no choice but to see it through (not that I doubted an intended whitewash in the first place).IMO

We can only live in hope, although AR's pending retirement does concern me slightly. I would have thought continuity would be needed, but I don't know how these things work.

AR's retirement may be EXACTLY the boost Grange needs.They will have to appoint a new bloke, who will have to be briefed by the team and will have to assume responsibility for the way the enquiry is progressing.That means he will HAVE to read the Policy book, and make judgments about what was being done.He will HAVE to record that in his own Policy document,

IF AR has been compromised, then the new one may, just may, be independent. New broom etc.The new one will also know know about Chief Constables being interviewed under Criminal caution for presiding over a sloppy investigation.And any of the team who know know, and have been hanging back may feel they have a fresh sounding board for their theories.

OR, might not a dawn raid be AR's parting shot.Organises the raid, sets the scene, quietly exits stage- left, and lets his team of professionals get on with it, with no further intervention from him.

Eddie and Keela alerted to items and places concerned with the McCanns - and importantly to no other items or places.

According to Eddie and Keela, the body of Madeleine McCann lay lifeless behind the sofa in Apartment 5a, clinging to the only thing from which she could derive any comfort; a soft toy called 'Cuddle cat'.

Kate's book 'madeleine', Page 219: "Did they really believe that a dog could smell the 'odour of death' three months later from a body that had been so swiftly removed?"

After forensic analysis of the 'Last Photo' there is little doubt now that the pool photo CANNOT POSSIBLY have been taken on the Thursday 3rd May, but most likely on the Sunday 29th April. So, where was Madeleine at lunchtime on Thursday?

John McCann:"This was terrible for them, Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: "Maddy's jammies, where is Maddy?"Martin Roberts:"If Madeleine's pyjamas had not, in fact, been abducted then neither had Madeleine McCann."Dr Martin Roberts: A Nightwear Job

Death Toll in McCann Case

Gerry McCann called for an example to be made of 'trolls'. SKY reporter Martin Brunt doorstepped Brenda Leyland on 2 October 2014 after a 'Dossier' was handed in to Police by McCann supporters. She was then found dead in a Leicester hotel room the next day. Brenda paid the price.

Colin Shalke died suddenly in mysterious circumstances with a significant amount of morphine in his system. At the Inquest the coroner said there was no evidence as to how he had come to take morphine, and no needle mark was found.

Ex-Met DCI Andy Redwood had a "revelation moment" on BBC1's Crimewatch on 14th October 2013 when he announced that Operation Grange had eliminated the Tanner sighting - which opened up the 'window' of opportunity' from 3 mins to 45 mins, in accordance with their remit, to allow the staged abduction to happen.

Tracey Kandohla: "A McCann pal told The Sun Online: "Some of the savings have been siphoned off from the Find Maddie Fund into a fixed asset account, which financial experts have advised them to do. It can be used for purchases like buying a house or building equipment."

The McCanns, Operation Grange and the BBC are all working towards one goal - to make us keep looking at what happened (or didn't happen) on 3rd May, instead of looking at what happened days earlier. There is NO evidence of an abduction. Smithman is ALL they have got. Without that, they are sunk. No wonder Operation Grange clings on to Smithman...

Lord Bernard Hogan-Howe QPM, retired Met Commissioner: "There will be a point at which we and the Government will want to make a decision about what the likely outcome is."

Dr Gonçalo Amaral, retired PJ Coordinator: "The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened, they don't need to investigate anything. When MI5 opens their files, then we will know the truth."