Comments on: Kyle Lohse still struggling to attract legitimate interesthttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/02/23/kyle-lohse-still-struggling-to-attract-legitimate-interest/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Fri, 18 Aug 2017 03:19:38 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: tuberippinhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/02/23/kyle-lohse-still-struggling-to-attract-legitimate-interest/#comment-447850
Tue, 26 Feb 2013 05:24:48 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447850FINISH HIM
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Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:57:18 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447515I’m not giving a 34 year-old pitcher a three year deal– let alone surrendering a high draft pick. I won’t be surprised to see Lohse sign a month into the season when teams won’t have to surrender a pick any longer, but a deal for two years with a club option for a third.
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Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:44:12 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447437Let me start by confessing that I know nothing about the free agent system, and plan to keep it that way. What has startled me in the comments regards the evaluations (?) of Lohse. If the Cardinals offered him 13 mil, then they must have had some confidence his 2013 performance would be just as good. And, many players, especially pitchers, do not fully mature at age 21 or 22. So, a couple of good years recently probably account for the 13 mil. What really amazes me is comparing Lohse to that of an unknown (untried?) pick, on any level. You all know pitching is the toughest element in a winning situation. I am a Cub fan, and if they aren’t talking to Boras, I wish they would. We need pitchers who have shown ability to win. Finally, a comment regarding the loss of money available for picks if the teams losses it’s first pick: they won’t need that money!
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Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:07:41 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447322Yep, typing on a iPhone is a poor decision. My apologies.

The way the free agent system is…

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Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:05:53 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447321The was the free agent system is set up is still flawed. As anyone who turned down a qualifying offer struggled to find a suitor this off season. Unfortunately for Lohse, he won’t come close to the 13.3 mil he turned down. I can definitely see the Dodgers or Nationals signing him, if for nothing else as insurance in their bullpen. It is hard to see Lohse match what he did last season, however he is consistent and an inning eater. I would like to see the Indians sign him. The Indians already gave up their second and compensation round picks in the signing of Nick Swisher and Michael Bourn. Their first round pick is protected. The Indians made a splash this offseason and greatly improved their roster with the additions of Swisher, Bourn, Bauer, Reynolds, Aviles. However they barely touched their rotation and bullpen. They were among the last in each category last year an only added Brett Meyers and Trevor Bauer, while incurring Scott Kazmir and Dice K. The addition of Lohse would stabilize their rotation and bring another veteran into the clubhouse. Jimenez and Masterson have a lot to prove and many “ifs” surrounding them this season. I see Jimenez on a short lease and having Lohse would be a major improvement to their #3 or #4 in the rotation (moving Meyers to the back end). They could probably sign him for $8 mil with incentives or possible 3 year, $30 mil guaranteed.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:25:29 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447236As a cardinal fan please brewers sign lohse.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:34:59 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447220The jury is still out. We have to wait and see what kind of deal Lohse ends up getting. The steak doesn’t care when it’s dinnertime.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:33:59 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447219They are the most reasonable destination. It would only cost them a third round pick. Their 1st pick is protected since it’s a top ten pick. They gave up a 1-2 sandwich pick to sign Nick Swisher, and a 2nd round pick to sign Michael Bourn. So pick-wise, it would cost them far less than any other team to sign Lohse at this point.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:31:49 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447216As far as compensation – I respect your opinion. But the compensation pick is a sandwich pick. Why is a pick still taken away from the signing team? It doesn’t have to be thus.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:40:14 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447135I don’t think the Yankees will be involved. If Pineda is healthy, they have seven starters, which is nice for depth and Nova, Phelps, and Pineda have options remaining.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:59:49 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447115Wait guys! Is he really worth it?
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 18:39:42 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447107Randy, I have to agree with you, for once.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:50:50 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447085First of all, I don’t feel too sorry for the guy after turning down a $13 million offer. His thinking was sign with Boras and I’ll get $80 million for 4 years. So how did that work out for Lohse, not so good. I think there’s some animosity by GM’s and Owners against Scott Boras. He’s a hardline guy, his way or the highway. I wonder if Lohse wakes up and fires his agent. He was drinking Boras KoolAid and now it doesn’t taste so good. If I were Doug Melvin I’d make him a 3 year offer for $30 million and no more. Maybe we get lucky and he performs well. If the Brew Crew sucks, you trade him and get some prospects. If HE SUCKS, well I guess you just tally it as another St Louis washed up pitcher the Brewers overpaid.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:10:52 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447024Cleveland has already been a big time spender this offseason, they may as well go all the way with it and sign Lohse. Starting pitching is arguably their biggest weakness anyway so it would make sense.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:44:30 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447010Several layers of fail in this one. First of all, Lohse is not a front line starter. He’s not even a number 2. He had a very good year last year, but if you look at his overall body of work, he’s a 3. Second of all, this doesn’t have as much to do with losing the draft pick itself, but with the money that goes with it. If you give up your first round pick, your pool of money for signing players is almost nothing. That’s an incredible disincentive to signing players. And finally, I will never understand the antipathy directed towards Boras. Why do people hate him? Because he’s good at his job? Would you rather the players get less money and the owners get more? It’s an irrational hatred.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:38:54 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447008As a fan, I like the fact that a team will receive compensation for a star player who signs elsewhere. Keep in mind that Lohse could have signed the $13.3 million tender but chose not to sign it in hopes that he would get a multi-year deal elsewhere. All it takes is an injury to a starter or a team to realize they need some help in the rotation and he’ll get signed. He’s surely questioning why he didn’t stick with the Cardinals. My money is on the Yankees or Cleveland.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:32:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447006The new rule for the qualifying offer is that it has to be the average of the top 125 salaries. A few high end salaries won’t move that number too much.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:05:47 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-447000I find it amazing that teams are hesitant to sign an established front line major league starter because they don’t want to give up ( maybe he will be a player) draft choice. I think it has more to do with his representation.
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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:37:45 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-446996Shouldn’t the qualifying offer problem take care of itself in another year or so? With some of the big contracts (both free agents and extensions) signed this winter, the amount of the qualifying offer will go higher, and there will probably be fewer free agents receving qualifying offers.

I would guess that potential free agents will be more likely to sign extensions with their current teams than riisk testing the open market, and winding up in Lohse’s predicament. It won’t have an impact on true stars like Verlander, just the “marginal stars” (if that isn’t an oxymoron) like Lohse, Bourn, and LaRoche.

This year, the impact has been significant. Compare Edwin Jackson’s new contract to Adam LaRouche’s. The difference is that the Nationals didn’t make an offer to Jackson.

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Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:37:08 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299887#comment-446995Never crazy about soft-toss righties. Reminds me of Kevin MIllwood. I guess the true test of my feelings about Lohse are that I am a Mets fan and wouldn’t want this guy on the MEts.
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