This is an excerpt from an interesting article that doesn't separate it out as "either/or", but that it works together..the author states the life is given to the written by God/Spirit...that the divisions of written vs. spoken etc., is a recent phenomenon, and not what the scriptures actually say about themselves. I think he makes some interesting points if closely considered.

"3. That these visions and oral words were recorded in writing and that this was commanded to be done constitutes a third manner in which God speaks to man. The constant recurrence of "Thus saith the Lord," "The word of the Lord came . . ." (Hos. 1:1; Zeph. 1:1; Mal. 1:1; Jer. 47:1; Ezek. 14:2), "The mouth of the Lord hath spoken" (Is. 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 58:14. Cf. also Matt. 4:4; 1 Cor. 14:27; 2 Tim 3:16), "Hear the Word of the Lord" - these phrases, now in written form, indicate that God commonly spoke to His people through the writings of His prophets and apostles.

5. The final Word of God to man, His communication , is , through a Son (Heb.1:1). He is the personal Word who is with God and is God and who alone reveals God to us (John 1:18). God therefore directs us to hear Him (Matt.17:5). And we hear Him when we hear His apostles, whose word is His Word (John 17:14). He has sent them into the world to continue His prophetic office (John 20:21). Their word is the continuation of His Word (John 17:8, 18; 1 Cor. 1:10), their witnessing is the witnessing of the Spirit Himself. (John 15:26, 27; 16:13; 14:26)

Now when we consider these various ways in which God speaks to us, we find that there is a marvelous unity in the Word of God. There is no difference between God's direct speaking, His speaking through the mouth of a prophet or apostle and the formulation of this speech in writing. Scripture quite simply calls the words of God's servants and penmen the words of God. Furthermore, no distinction is made between their preached and written Word. It is all the same utterance of God to men. Whether they preach or write, they preface their message by "Thus saith the Lord," "Hear the Word of the Lord." Procksch comments concerning this fact: "This shows then that the entire book of the prophet was to be acknowledged and in the Scripture thought pattern therefore no distinction is made between the voice of God in the prophet and its formulation in poetry, language, and word."

This stress on the unity of the Word is necessary because of late a curious and subtle distinction has been made between the written Word of Scripture and the kerygmatic preaching of the church. According to this distinction (which is advanced by Barth and some other scholars) there is somehow more power in the preached Word, while Scripture, the written Word, remains in itself a dead letter. But Scripture knows no such distinction. The same Word which Jeremiah receives from God he dictates to his amanuensis, Baruch. These same words Baruch writes on a roll and later reads as the "words of the Lord . . . in the ears of the people" (Jer. 36). That which the apostle John saw and heard he wrote (1 John 1:3, 4 - 5 governs all the verbs in the passage). Paul says he makes known () the same gospel which he has formerly preached () (1 Cor. 15:1). And he asks that his message be accepted whether it be written or proclaimed by word of mouth (2 Thess.2:15).

. The written and spoken Word draws its energy and authority from its author, who is God. Although men wrote the Scriptures, these writings are nevertheless God's Word, God's utterances (Rom. 2:2), the product of His breath (Matt. 4:4; 2 Tim. 3:16). Although men preach the Gospel, it is nevertheless God's Gospel (Rom. 1:1; 15:16; 2 Cor. 7:11; 1 Thess. 2:2, 9). God's Word and Gospel are never empty and sterile, but active and creative. Paul makes this point eminently clear when he tells the Thessalonians (1 Thess. 2:13): "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because when ye received the Word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God [], which effectually worketh also in you that believe" []. http://www.mtio.com/articles/bissar101.htm

I think the word must pierce the heart as a sword. But many of the Jews who resisted Jesus, were told that their hearts were hardened, or that they were blind deaf etc even though some of them knew the scriptures very well indeed.

I think once the word pierces the soul begins to work its magic, it might convict e.g the Jews who desired stoning of the woman caught in adultery, or it might cause a person to cry out for help, such as the blind man. But Jesus gave a parable concerning this part of the process. He said

Luke 84And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:

5A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.

6And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.

7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

8And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

9And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?

10And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

11Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

12Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

13They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

14And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

15But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

16No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.

17For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

18Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

This is an excerpt from an interesting article that doesn't separate it out as "either/or", but that it works together..the author states the life is given to the written by God/Spirit...that the divisions of written vs. spoken etc., is a recent phenomenon, and not what the scriptures actually say about themselves. I think he makes some interesting points if closely considered.

"3. That these visions and oral words were recorded in writing and that this was commanded to be done constitutes a third manner in which God speaks to man. The constant recurrence of "Thus saith the Lord," "The word of the Lord came . . ." (Hos. 1:1; Zeph. 1:1; Mal. 1:1; Jer. 47:1; Ezek. 14:2), "The mouth of the Lord hath spoken" (Is. 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 58:14. Cf. also Matt. 4:4; 1 Cor. 14:27; 2 Tim 3:16), "Hear the Word of the Lord" - these phrases, now in written form, indicate that God commonly spoke to His people through the writings of His prophets and apostles.

5. The final Word of God to man, His communication , is , through a Son (Heb.1:1). He is the personal Word who is with God and is God and who alone reveals God to us (John 1:18). God therefore directs us to hear Him (Matt.17:5). And we hear Him when we hear His apostles, whose word is His Word (John 17:14). He has sent them into the world to continue His prophetic office (John 20:21). Their word is the continuation of His Word (John 17:8, 18; 1 Cor. 1:10), their witnessing is the witnessing of the Spirit Himself. (John 15:26, 27; 16:13; 14:26)

Now when we consider these various ways in which God speaks to us, we find that there is a marvelous unity in the Word of God. There is no difference between God's direct speaking, His speaking through the mouth of a prophet or apostle and the formulation of this speech in writing. Scripture quite simply calls the words of God's servants and penmen the words of God. Furthermore, no distinction is made between their preached and written Word. It is all the same utterance of God to men. Whether they preach or write, they preface their message by "Thus saith the Lord," "Hear the Word of the Lord." Procksch comments concerning this fact: "This shows then that the entire book of the prophet was to be acknowledged and in the Scripture thought pattern therefore no distinction is made between the voice of God in the prophet and its formulation in poetry, language, and word."

This stress on the unity of the Word is necessary because of late a curious and subtle distinction has been made between the written Word of Scripture and the kerygmatic preaching of the church. According to this distinction (which is advanced by Barth and some other scholars) there is somehow more power in the preached Word, while Scripture, the written Word, remains in itself a dead letter. But Scripture knows no such distinction. The same Word which Jeremiah receives from God he dictates to his amanuensis, Baruch. These same words Baruch writes on a roll and later reads as the "words of the Lord . . . in the ears of the people" (Jer. 36). That which the apostle John saw and heard he wrote (1 John 1:3, 4 - 5 governs all the verbs in the passage). Paul says he makes known () the same gospel which he has formerly preached () (1 Cor. 15:1). And he asks that his message be accepted whether it be written or proclaimed by word of mouth (2 Thess.2:15).

. The written and spoken Word draws its energy and authority from its author, who is God. Although men wrote the Scriptures, these writings are nevertheless God's Word, God's utterances (Rom. 2:2), the product of His breath (Matt. 4:4; 2 Tim. 3:16). Although men preach the Gospel, it is nevertheless God's Gospel (Rom. 1:1; 15:16; 2 Cor. 7:11; 1 Thess. 2:2, 9). God's Word and Gospel are never empty and sterile, but active and creative. Paul makes this point eminently clear when he tells the Thessalonians (1 Thess. 2:13): "For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because when ye received the Word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God [], which effectually worketh also in you that believe" []. http://www.mtio.com/articles/bissar101.htm

Blessings.

got your own words James~

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

I think the word must pierce the heart as a sword. But many of the Jews who resisted Jesus, were told that their hearts were hardened, or that they were blind deaf etc even though some of them knew the scriptures very well indeed.

I think once the word pierces the soul begins to work its magic, it might convict e.g the Jews who desired stoning of the woman caught in adultery, or it might cause a person to cry out for help, such as the blind man. But Jesus gave a parable concerning this part of the process. He said

Luke 84And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:

5A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.

6And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.

7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

8And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

9And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?

10And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

11Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

12Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

13They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

14And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

15But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

16No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light.

17For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

18Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

The WORD is NOT the written which Cuts asunder# its HIS SPIRIT, SPERATING THE SOUL IN death to the SOULbeing life# its a TWO EDGED SWORD[ SPIRIT]SLAYING the SOUL[ carnal mind] withone edge# bringing FORTH LIFE with the other~do we not see the Spirit in His written word or continue to just read the Balck and White~

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

It's interesting that a man of God, e.g apostle Paul, that if he peached from the word of God, then it would produce greater life than say a carnal Christian.

In fact just came to me that when a religious type of preacher preaches the word of God, the words feel more like a spirit of death than life.

So maybe you are correct that the word alone without the correct spirit behind it will not produce life. But I don't want to take a black and white approach to this because God can make life out of stones and for the Mule to cry out.

In fact there is a scripture spoken of by Paul, that speaks of a man who made profit form the word of the Lord, but the apostle Paul let him preach.Book of acts I think!

It's interesting that a man of God, e.g apostle Paul, that if he peached from the word of God, then it would produce greater life than say a carnal Christian.

In fact just came to me that when a religious type of preacher preaches the word of God, the words feel more like a spirit of death than life.

So maybe you are correct that the word alone without the correct spirit behind it will not produce life. But I don't want to take a black and white approach to this because God can make life out of stones and for the Mule to cry out.

In fact there is a scripture spoken of by Paul, that speaks of a man who made profit form the word of the Lord, but the apostle Paul let him preach.Book of acts I think!

It's interesting that a man of God, e.g apostle Paul, that if he peached from the word of God, then it would produce greater life than say a carnal Christian.

In fact just came to me that when a religious type of preacher preaches the word of God, the words feel more like a spirit of death than life.

So maybe you are correct that the word alone without the correct spirit behind it will not produce life. But I don't want to take a black and white approach to this because God can make life out of stones and for the Mule to cry out.

In fact there is a scripture spoken of by Paul, that speaks of a man who made profit form the word of the Lord, but the apostle Paul let him preach.Book of acts I think!

It's interesting that a man of God, e.g apostle Paul, that if he peached from the word of God, then it would produce greater life than say a carnal Christian.

In fact just came to me that when a religious type of preacher preaches the word of God, the words feel more like a spirit of death than life.

So maybe you are correct that the word alone without the correct spirit behind it will not produce life. But I don't want to take a black and white approach to this because God can make life out of stones and for the Mule to cry out.

In fact there is a scripture spoken of by Paul, that speaks of a man who made profit form the word of the Lord, but the apostle Paul let him preach.Book of acts I think!

The art is to divideTT[ that can onlycome from above] HE is the spirit of TRUTH IN US~HE is the GLORY OF GOD IN US#~HE continues to Unfold himself and the TRUTH , BOTH IN THE writtenand the REALITY# lest we Divide##we will continue as manY to speak death not LIFE

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Deep? I wonder. I have reclused my self for sometime to see if any thing would change, nope, I have come back to find something like a baseball coach for kids hitting the ball high, low, on the ground making the kids chase, you know like practice.

One thing the Lord has showed me is that should one start from what is not the beginning of the foundation they immediately begin with grey, for they have not hit bed rock, and yet they build. How foolish.

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

The written and spoken Word draws its energy and authority from its author, who is God.

THIS

I've read every sort of book, classical, contemporary, religious, secular, complicated, easy---I have never read another book like our Bible.

As living word, it speaks to everyone where they are today in their walk. It helps them to stretch and grow. As they progress, it unfolds more of its mysteries. It's like a miracle book which is alive!

Sometimes I think it is being written before my eyes, as I stumble on a phrase I never saw before and think, where did that come from? Suddenly, something new and wonderful is open to me by the grace of God--something I never saw before even though I undoubtedly read it 100 times.

These are God's words. Even if the soil is rocky and poor, they will never come back void.

he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. [Mat 4:4]

HIS TRUTH can not be denied~ we may Kick our heals In, but for sure youll get BLOWN AWAY by the spirit WHO IS#,when of Course ,HE gives us TO SEE#,REvelation is NOTof our selves ,Its HIS# Paul knew this, as when he mentioned, the Twinkling of an Eye, being KNOWN as we are, he often spoke to those who were YET to understand the THINGS HE REALLY KNEW##

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Deep? I wonder. I have reclused my self for sometime to see if any thing would change, nope, I have come back to find something like a baseball coach for kids hitting the ball high, low, on the ground making the kids chase, you know like practice.

One thing the Lord has showed me is that should one start from what is not the beginning of the foundation they immediately begin with grey, for they have not hit bed rock, and yet they build. How foolish.

alas I wouldnt Know as the WHOLE WORLD is Not American lol#Im Welsh, Wanna Talk Rugby Mines and Valleys~lol

But ya Nailed it# the ROCK## come again and explain the Saved by childbirth~~ what was It~or maybe Brother RAY hasnt wrote a Paper on it~ I just wonder why? ~ In the Big Picture it matters Not# as all was Finished before it began## selah~

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

So ........Selah Taffy. Hummmm. You do have your methods aye? Gee, and your not American, like that makes one wit of difference. Rugby? Great game love it, beats [American football all to pieces] oh yeah it was childbirth.......

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Can you LIVE off the Written word being the BLACK AND WHITE ?# does this give you life eternal~IF SO HOW~?

I once worked with an older gentleman, a well-read man who enjoyed reading the Bible. The Book of Job he considered a masterpiece of literary history.He could quote Scripture better than many churchgoers.He died agnostic.Just sayin'.

Deep? I wonder. I have reclused my self for sometime to see if any thing would change, nope, I have come back to find something like a baseball coach for kids hitting the ball high, low, on the ground making the kids chase, you know like practice.

One thing the Lord has showed me is that should one start from what is not the beginning of the foundation they immediately begin with grey, for they have not hit bed rock, and yet they build. How foolish.

alas I wouldnt Know as the WHOLE WORLD is Not American lol#Im Welsh, Wanna Talk Rugby Mines and Valleys~lol

But ya Nailed it# the ROCK## come again and explain the Saved by childbirth~~ what was It~or maybe Brother RAY hasnt wrote a Paper on it~ I just wonder why? ~ In the Big Picture it matters Not# as all was Finished before it began## selah~

O yeah I forgot OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! for the one for Ray. UHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM you da man.

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

f you can LIVE off the wrritten word? How long for? I know multitutes who read the Written word , or have read it, and dont believe it~we LIVE BY EVERY BREATH OF HIS WORD[ BREATH]for HIS WORD[ iIS spirit= Life in us~]

open the book WW the white is the paper, the Ink is mainly Black~

It CAN give life eternal. HOW CAN I put this in Welsh ~ Utter complete Garbage WW~

Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Jhn 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Deep? I wonder. I have reclused my self for sometime to see if any thing would change, nope, I have come back to find something like a baseball coach for kids hitting the ball high, low, on the ground making the kids chase, you know like practice.

One thing the Lord has showed me is that should one start from what is not the beginning of the foundation they immediately begin with grey, for they have not hit bed rock, and yet they build. How foolish.

alas I wouldnt Know as the WHOLE WORLD is Not American lol#Im Welsh, Wanna Talk Rugby Mines and Valleys~lol

But ya Nailed it# the ROCK## come again and explain the Saved by childbirth~~ what was It~or maybe Brother RAY hasnt wrote a Paper on it~ I just wonder why? ~ In the Big Picture it matters Not# as all was Finished before it began## selah~

O yeah I forgot OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! for the one for Ray. UHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM you da man.

YA know Micah # you have much to Criticise# But forever failing to answer##

let me ask you again~~Saved by Childbirth~~ and as Ray is Known to say~~ "I will now HOLD MY BREATH"#be well friend~

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Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

f you can LIVE off the wrritten word? How long for? I know multitutes who read the Written word , or have read it, and dont believe it~we LIVE BY EVERY BREATH OF HIS WORD[ BREATH]for HIS WORD[ iIS spirit= Life in us~]

You asked if it is possible not how many actually managed to do it.

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open the book WW the white is the paper, the Ink is mainly Black~

I assumed you weren't speaking about the color of the Book itself but the meaning of the verses.

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It CAN give life eternal. HOW CAN I put this in Welsh ~ Utter complete Garbage WW~

No just your selective reading.Reread my answers and see they are all have huge Biblical support. Nothing hidden. Not hard to see. I would say it's the very heart of the Bible.

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Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Jhn 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

you can read Right WW~ How simple is This~

It's simple. You haven't understood a single word I wrote.Seems to become a trend lately

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...