AirForceVet:I think the Zimmerman defense team should have gone for a plea deal.

If some strange man came up to me when I was 17 in the middle of a Florida night and demanded why I was in my neighborhood, I'd have told him to fark off. If he touched me, I'd have kicked his ass too.

The only time something like that happened to me as a teen in Florida, the strange man had a wool cap over his head with eye holes cut into it, holding what appeared to be a small calibar semi-automatic handgun. I just lost $3 that night to the asshat. Called the cops but they couldn't find him, even with a K-9.

/Maybe Zimmerman should have had his gun out.//Martin would have seen the reall threat that was hidden until too late.

Mid_mo_mad_man:So if I don't think every black man is a victim I'm racist? That's racist in it's self. Btw how come we racist are defending the Latino ?

Because it's obvious that some folks think there are different levels of "bad races" and they have an order. If a white man Stands His Ground and kills a Latino, the racists will side with the white guy. If a Latino kills a Black guy, the racists will side with the Latino. If a Black guy kills a Native American, the racists will ignore the whole thing and go watch a Jeff Dunham video.

Mid_mo_mad_man:ZeroCorpse: I just find it to be a funny coincidence-- and surely, it's just a coincidence-- that all the people defending Zimmerman also happen to be the same most-likely white macho-type guys who frequent gun threads babbling about Obama takin' their guns and how the MSM doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.

Just a funny coincidence. Surely, the cracker gun nuts aren't also racists?!?!

Mighty broad brush your painting. While I do own guns I do not back the NRA. I even voted for Obama twice. I just think this is simple self defense. Should not have become a national story

After reading your posts in this thread and many others, you...YOU are going to use the broad brush defense? Wow.

duffblue:Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

Peter von Nostrand:tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

But really who can say who chased who with a gun at this point. Coulda been Martin on the phone with 911 stalking Zim.

Beyond mockery of your hysteria and bigotry? Not really feeling the need for much more. Throw another abbo on the barby and project more.

He hunted Martin based on skin colour.

And you know this how? Was it hatred of his black relatives and ancestors that fed his racism? He never got good Christmas presents from his grandfather? You obviously know, so share.

You've created a narrative to justify your prejudices. No obligation on my part to take it seriously.

So what was his motivation again?

Oh that's right, he'd gone through Martin's Twitter account, phone images and Facebook account and based on all this evidence, decided to stalk him in case he was going to go murder someone!

Or what do you think Zimmerman's motivation was for hunting down this singular individual on these mean suburban streets?

Again, if you believe that things would have played out the same if Martin were white, or female, you're either being facetiously racist or just plain stupid.

Based on your smarmy replies, money's on the former, backed up by the 'my defense of this racism is in fact me taking down all those REVERSE RACISTS' screed that seems to be very popular in these threads.

Or you could just be a Libertarian, in which case you have my sympathy.

anindependent:bugontherug: But if he did so, we know his purpose wasn't to fight, because he was still carrying his Skittles and Arizona drink. Logic says if he had intended to start a fight, he would have set them down before tracking back. So if Trayvon did turn around, he did so most likely to observe the creepy, angry, cursing suspicious character invading his neighborhood, not start a fight with him.

This is actually pretty crushing to the claim Trayvon backtracked so he could start a fight.

Nabb1:Zimmerman will walk. The prosecution has a thin case to build and has to sell it to twelve people, down to every last detail. The defense needs to sway only one person out of those twelve. (I'm assuming he asked for a jury trial.)

That's a hung jury. That's neither legally nor morally the same as an acquittal.

gimmegimme:tyrajam: Yawn. Your trolling has lost its entertainment value. Nobody believes that after your head is split open you should wait for more serious damage to occur before you defend yourself.

And no one believes that if your head is "split open" that a Band-Aid will suffice.

The one big thing I've learned from your rather "interesting" comments is anyone should feel totally safe attacking you, since even if they jump on you and slam your hear into the sidewalk you apparently feel it's impolite to pull a weapon to defend yourself.

tyrajam:gimmegimme: tyrajam: gimmegimme: tenpoundsofcheese: gimmegimme: gblive: tyrajam: Wolf_Blitzer: Tatsuma: He also texted a picture of himself holding a gun, asked another one to help him buy one, and proclaimed himself to be a gangsta. That's way above and beyond ITG

What in the fark are you talking about? Nobody cares that Martin had pics of a gun on his phone, it is the text messages on his phone where he is trying to illegally buy a pistol that are being considered. Talk about pathetic!

If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

How did Zimmerman know about the picture?

Martin may have shown it to Zimmerman before the altercation started.You don't know either way.

WTF does it matter. You are missing the point again.

The point is that you are grasping at straws. How could the picture of a gun that you mention give Zimmerman a reason to shoot the kid?

Holy.Farking.Crap. The "reason" he shot Trayvon was because Martin came back and attacked him and was bashing his head into the cement. The defense showing that Martin was trying to illegally buy a gun and used drugs is just to blow holes in the prosecutions attempts to show that Martin was an innocent little child. In the end it doesn't matter. Martin attacked Zimmerman and was shot. It's sad, but not overly complicated.

Hmmm...if Zimmerman had his "head bashed into the cement," surely he was in the hospital for quite some time, right?

Is your google broke? He was treated and released http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad= r ja&docid=gYd6SG1f3a9KPM&tbnid=ZtF78zeEFOs_TM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjo nathanturley.org%2F2012%2F04%2F20%2Freasonable-doubt-crime-scene-photo s-shows-serious-injury-on-zimmermans-head%2F&ei=gZ-iUf6NEuKsywHruICACA &bvm=bv.47008514,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCN ...

"Treated and released"? Holy shiat, that sounds serious. How many weeks was he in the hospital?

Wolf_Blitzer:tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: gblive: If you read some other articles... the pistol in the picture on Trayvon's phone is believed to be stolen.

"Believed to be" by the same right-wing derp brigade that made up the bus driver story. Meaning nothing.

what do you mean made up the bus driver story? Has that been disproven?

here is the tweet from Treyvon's brother.

Thats all there is, the tweet. If Martin had actually assaulted a bus driver, he would certainly have been punished for it; suspended it or more likely expelled, and probably arrested. That didn't happen: his suspensions were for tardiness, graffitti and possessing a marijuana pipe. And the kid didn't have a juvenile arrest record.

Hmmm...I don't have any tweets to back me up, but I do have a different kind of Internet certification to prove that I had a torrid love affair with Kristen Bell.

bugontherug:AngryDragon: Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.

Nobody saw Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Try an experiment. Get a nice, soft pad, maybe a pillow, and a friend.

Lay flat on your back, and have your friend straddle you at the waist. Then have him try to "slam" your head back into the soft padding. Remind him that he's not allowed to pull your hair, because Zimmerman's head was shaved.

Without a very great difference in strength, I doubt it's even possible to slam someone's head into the ground if he offers resistance. Especially not from the position described.

And what exactly was Trayvon holding onto?

Trayvon could have been holding onto his ears. It's not like Zimmerman was using them that night.

Unknown_Poltroon:ChaosStar: Being on the losing side of a fight, where you're getting your head bashed open, is grounds for escalation of force when defending yourself, as you are in fear for your life. Especially when you didn't start said fight.

Except he did start the fight. Or are you now saying the kid dragged him out of his car? I mean youre making up other shiat, why not make up carjacking?

Of course he was carjacked! He was a thug hopped up on purple drank looking to break into white people houses!

mr intrepid:duffblue: gimmegimme: FloridaFarkTag: MJMaloney187: Wait? Does the article say the defense was allowed to use all that? I thought the article said the hearing was next week ...

No, it has yet to be allowed

Some of it will be allowed. This judge will be overturned on appeal if evidence is not allowed and Zimmerman is convicted....esp any evidence showing TM stoned around the time of incident, pot use, and any time the prosecutors spew the "Trayvon was a 14 yr old honor student" BS

It is obvious that the prosecution is in trouble.... they want all the negative Trayvon evidence excluded....you can't lynch an innocent man if you are caught cold busted lying

Just wonder how much of their ghetto the Black Racists gonna burn when they can't lynch Zimmerman...

Ted Nugent isn't black...

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Rodney king riots

The "negative Trayon evidence" might be considered largely irrelevant. Zimmerman didn't know anything about him, except what happened that night. And the fact that he lost a fight might serve as a motive for his pursuit and shooting.

You slam the back of my head into the ground, you die. Period. I would rather go to jail if the alternatives are death or mental retardation.

Take your head out of your arse for a second and pretend Zimmerman is your grandfather. What would you want your grandfather to do? That punk lived like a gangster and he died like a gangster. BET ought to give Zimmerman a medal for keeping the brand alive.

Tatsuma:Wolf_Blitzer: Trayvon Martin had absolutely no documented history of violence. George Zimmerman on the other hand...

Well, except for the fights he himself talked about on social media sites, the fact that he assaulted a bus driver (adult in position of authority asking him what he was doing) and he was caught with burglary tools and stolen property in his locker.

There's no evidence that any assault happened against a bus driver. Martin was suspended for marijuana.

If having tweets claiming to be in fights makes you violent, the entire Internet Tough Guy Brigade here should be in prison for life.

duffblue:Peter von Nostrand: tyrajam: The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

All of which is irrelevant if Zimmerman doesn't follow him for no reason and confront him

So it's acceptable to assault somebody who confronts you?

You'd think this was painfully obvious by now, but we have only Zimmerman's word for it that Martin struck first, and its possible he has some motivation for lying in this regard...

The fact that he likes his weed is irrelevant to the case. The fact that he was having online conversations about purple drank, it was found in his system, and he was returning after buying 2 of the 3 ingredients used to make it does help explain why he was so aggressive and attacked the little mexican guy who ended up shooting him in self defense.

Abox:seadoo2006: ChaosStar: From CNN.com's timeline of the events:"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.

This ... can't believe this is still being debated. It's good the little shiatstain got shot ... Zimmerman should be thanks for doing the world a favor.

ChaosStar:From CNN.com's timeline of the events:"According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk." Note this part of the timeline was confirmed by the police.When Zimmerman lost Martin, any initial altercation was over, meaning Zimmerman's alleged speaking or following Martin is irrelevant. Martin then begins a new altercation by approaching Zimmerman. Martin is the aggressor, Zimmerman feels his life is in danger and utilizes his CCW. This is a textbook self defense scenario, taught in almost every ccp course I've ever seen. Case closed.