This comes from former supreme allied commander of NATO, retired General Wesley Clark

Clark tempers his admission by saying there is "no good guy in this conflict". The government of Syria and ISIS both use terror tactics, just as most every warring belligerent does throughout history. Then again, he adds: This is not really a war about terrorism, but more obviously a geopolitical war between states and proxies for the future of the Middle East.

Clark has been an interesting fount of information over the years. He said he received personal inside knowledge from the Pentagon that the original Bush 'War on Terrorism' was in fact an effort to overthrow seven countries.

For weeks now, he's been making the TV rounds and suggesting ISIS is a proxy of Sunni states Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Curiously, he rarely mentions any direct Washington DC involvement. And he divorces the Turkish military actions from the larger NATO context. Case in point, the recent Turkish shoot down of a Russian warplane, he says, was a Turkish decision; not a NATO one.

Clark is informative, while still being a PR agent of Washington. He's making a disconnect between USGov involvement. Which in the end is not true. Washington is highly involved in every way.

A look at the president of Turkey and his covert, corrupt games in Syria: terrorists, pillaging, chemical weapons, police state action, and stolen oil.

The Erdogan family is like a mafia family, and apparently they are buying the smuggled oil from ISIS. The Erdogan family is our ally...? This mafia guy picked a fight with the wrong mafia rival. Mafia Don Putin is going to get Erdogan somehow, someway.

The article is written by Princeton educated F. William Engdahl, a German-American historian and journalist. I just bought one of his books on the covert history of the global oil industry. Can't wait to start it. Highly rated.

Russia has airlifted "an unknown number of ultramodern S-400 (or SA-21 Growler in NATO designation) SAM batteries to Latakia to make sure that the tragic incident from Tuesday never repeats itself by sending Turkey a very clear message that the next time a Turkish warplane engages a Russian jet..."

Putin:

"We told our US partners in advance where, when at what altitudes our pilots were going to operate. The US-led coalition, which includes Turkey, was aware of the time and place where our planes would operate. And this is exactly where and when we were attacked. Why did we share this information with the Americans? Either they don't control their allies, or they just pass this information left and right without realizing what the consequences of such actions might be. We will have to have a serious talk with our US partners.

More from Putin:

"The S-400 is an air defense system. The reason we didn't have the system in Syria is because we thought our planes were flying at high enough altitudes where a terrorist could not reach them; they don't have weapons capable of downing our planes at the altitude of over 3 or 4 thousand meters. And We could never think that we could be stabbed in the back by a country we regarded as our ally. Our planes operated at altitudes of 5-6,000 meters and were completely unprotected against potential attacks from fighter jets - we could never imagine that that could be possible otherwise we would deploy such systems in the area protecting our bombers against possible attacks."

"We never did it because we regarded Turkey as our friend, we never expected an attack from that side. This is why we regard this attack as that of a traitor. But now we that this is possible, and we have to protect our planes. This is why we deployed a modern system, the S-400, it has a pretty long range and it's one of the most effective systems of this kind in the world. We will not stop there: if we have to we will also deploy our fighter jets in the area."

Turkey claims that it would not have shot down the jet if it had known it was Russian.

Putin calls BS.

Not only is Putin making inroads in allying with France against the Islamic State, he is indirectly blaming Turkey's senior military partner, the USGov, for the loss of his servicemen. The tension increases.

President Vladimir Putin has said that Russia had given prior information to the United States of the flight path of the plane downed by Turkey on the Syrian border.

"The American side, which leads the coalition that Turkey belongs to, knew about the location and time of our planes' flights, and we were hit exactly there and at that time," Putin said at a joint press conference with French counterpart Francois Hollande in the Kremlin.

Ahead of the Hollande talks, Mr Putin and Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan traded barbs, with the Russian leader saying he was waiting for an apology and Mr Erdogan ruling out any such move.

Mr Putin yesterday dismissed as "rubbish" Turkey's claim that it would not have shot down the jet if it had known it was Russian.

"They [our planes] have identification signs and these are well visible," Mr Putin said. "Instead of [...] ensuring this never happens again, we are hearing unintelligible explanations and statements that there is nothing to apologise about."

Mr Putin has also accused Turkey of buying oil from the Islamic State jihadist group, whose financing heavily relies on the sale of energy resources.

He said there was "no doubt" that oil from "terrorist-controlled" territory in Syria was making its way across the border into Turkey.

The USGov has few intentions of defeating the Islamic State. The Turks were making sweet profits from stolen Syrian oil, but now are hopping mad because Russia is the only country seriously degrading the IS terror machine.

After 14 months, the USGov has only now determined that bombing the Islamic State's vulnerable cash flow is a reasonable strategy. They claimed to have destroyed 390 oil transports (trucks, tankers, etc.).

Russia claims to have destroyed 1000 ISIS oil transports during November alone.

Turkey has facilitated sales of over $1 billion in smuggled black market crude from ISIS. That flow is suddenly shrinking.

The Russian campaign has been so aggressive in disrupting the black market flow that apparently it has provoked a Turkish sneak attack on the Russian airforce in Syria.

“There seemed to have been a judgment that, look, we don’t want to destroy these oil tankers because that’s infrastructure that’s going to be necessary to support the people when ISIS isn’t there anymore, and it’s going to create environmental damage,” he said, the Hill reported.

Another high-ranking military commander is put before the camera to throw Turkey under the bus.

Lt. General McInerney has huge credentials, once serving "in top military positions and reported directly to the Secretary of Defense and to the Vice President of the United States."-vice commander in chief, NATO, Headquarters U.S. Air Forces in Europe-Alaskan Air Command, Alaskan NORAD Region

McInerney is the 3rd major Brass heavy-hitter, with political connections, to bad-mouth Turkey. It's almost as if these generals are wafting the fire, hoping that the Russia-Turkey conflict gets much worse. After all, if the Russians and Turks start to really hate each other, the Turks may seek to close the crucial Bosphorus-Dardandelle strait, which is the Russian naval passage to the Mediterranean and beyond.

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A loyal friend to the Pentagon even in retirement, the Lt. General says the answer is more applications of military force -- despite the fact that previous interventions have led to disaster and terrorism.

Israel is militarily occupying Syria's Golan Heights. Like ISIS and Turkey, Israel plans to steal Syria's oil with the help of the elite panel of raiders at Genie Oil.

Syria really is being globalized -- like vultures picking apart a corpse. Israeli wants bits of the south. Turkey wants bits of the north. ISIS and the Kurds want bits of the east. Russia wants bits in the west.