White House chief strategist Steve Bannon is reportedly a reader of neoreactionary political theory. A tour through the pro-authoritarian philosophy gaining visibility on the right.

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White House chief strategist Steve Bannon has been in contact via intermediaries with Curtis Yarvin, Politico Magazine reported this week. Yarvin, a software engineer and blogger, writes under the name Mencius Moldbug. His anti-egalitarian arguments have formed the basis for a movement called “neoreaction.” …

For a group of people whose writings tend towards the verbose, neoreactionaries don’t show much interest in talking to reporters. Yarvin declined to cooperate when I reached out to ask about his alleged contact with Bannon, instead choosing to try to troll me into believing a Twitter user called @BronzeAgePerv is his contact with the White House.

“Think you should speak directly to my WH cutout / cell leader,” Yarvin said in an email. “I’ve never met him and don’t know his identity, we just DM on Twitter. He’s said to be ‘very close’ to Bannon. There are several levels, but most people just start out with his public persona.” @BronzeAgePerv’s avatar is of a muscular, shirtless man and his account’s biography reads: “Steppe barbarian. Nationalist, Fascist, Nudist Bodybuilder! Purification of world. Revolt of the damned. Destruction of the cities!”

“I know nothing about BAP personally, except that he lifts. DM him. He may not give you any info but he always responds,” Yarvin said. “Apparently there’s a big underground movement of right-wing bodybuilders — thousands. Their plan is to surface spectacularly this April, in a choreographed flash demo on the Mall. They’ll be totally nude, but wearing MAGA hats. Goal is to intimidate Congress with pure masculine show of youth, energy. Trump is said to know, will coordinate with powerful EOs…”

Hakan Rotmwrt

Personally, unlike Mencius — that neoreactionary arriviste with his trendy but unsound Bronze Age new ideas — I don’t waste my time communicating with minions like Bannon.

I prefer to go right to the top.

So I issue my orders directly to President Trump through our agreed-upon go-between, new West Wing staffer Hakan Rotmwrt.

Hakan (a.k.a. Hakon) is an Ainu-American paleoreactionary dedicated to returning the planet to the time-tested verities of the New Stone Age.

Please note that he’s a moderate, not one of those Old Stone Age extremists. He’s not like the dozen OSA Brotherhood members who have secretly infiltrated Puzder’s staff (which is why you’re starting to hear so much about the need for a special sub-minimum wage for flintknappers).

We’ve already implemented some of the new Administration’s highest priority initiatives, such as the famous Executive Order to temporarily enforce biogeographic quarantine:

More long range plans slated for completion by late spring to early summer 2017 include:

!, leader of newly CIA-funded “!! Liberation Front of All Africa South of the Congo”

- Restoration of the Kingdom of Hawaii and CIA subsidization of Polynesian canoe-raiding upon intercontinental shipping to reduce the trade deficit with China;

-Restoration of Berber suzerainty over the Maghreb and Canary Islands by deporting Arab invaders back to the Hejaz and Javier Bardem back to mainland Iberia;

- Restoration of rightful Khoisan dominance over southern Africa by deporting Bantus back to their aboriginal Cameroon;

- Overthrow of Indonesian hegemony over Flores Island and recognition of independence for genetically revivified Hobbits;

- Deportation of Navajo back to Canada and restoration of Hopi land rights to Monument Valley after 600 years of intrusive Na-Dene usurpation.

- Reduction of Canada into an immense game preserve for cloned woolly mammoths, reserved solely for Folsomites and Dorset Culture proto-Eskimos (after their CRISPR-assisted de-extinction) and the billionaire hunting enthusiasts they will guide;

- And, of course, deportation of the Japanese back to Korea in Operation Incipient Jomon, to be followed by the signing in the White House rose garden of a mutual defense pact with the Ainu Chieftancy, led by High Chieftan Hakan Rotmwrt.

Our plans are closely modeled upon Bill Kristol’s and Robert Kagan’s 1997 Project for a New American Century agenda for installing Ahmad Chalabi as president of Iraq, so you can be sure we’re not just some wackos spitballing this.

In summary, the Trump Administration is dedicated to our program of healthy, orthodox New Stone Age traditionalism rather than decadent Bronze Age perversions or reactionary Old Stone Age extremism. Everything you read in The Atlantic or the New York Times to the contrary is just disinformation put out by disappointed jobseekers or moles who will be swept away in the upcoming purges.

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I was wondering why Justin Raimondo was tweeting someone called Bronze Age Pervert. I have no idea anymore whether the media know the difference between fact and fiction, satiricism and truth. They really are finished, and the cash flow statements don’t lie.

“Apparently there’s a big underground movement of right-wing bodybuilders — thousands. Their plan is to surface spectacularly this April, in a choreographed flash demo on the Mall. They’ll be totally nude, but wearing MAGA hats. Goal is to intimidate Congress with pure masculine show of youth, energy. Trump is said to know, will coordinate with powerful EOs…”

It’s hilarious how pedantic and ill at ease some journalists come across when they wade into the deep end of the Internet. “His avatar was a tanned, muscular surfer, and the biography referenced nude males and steppes…”

Once on Twitter, I replied to a journalist who seemed genuinely perplexed and angry that I could show up in his timeline. “What are you doing, sir? I was talking to my colleague in the next cubicle!”

Hilarious. I think there's the distinct possibility that this guy is parodying the Larouche youth. (Assuming he isn't an actual Larouche youth.) Perhaps Bannon can hire him as a WH outreach to social media. Oh, wait, I guess he's already hired DJT for that...

You could have no HBD and NrX would still be anti-democracy. Even in a world of equals, so as long as individuals have low time preference and groupthink destroys good ideas, NrX will find demotist concepts hollow.

Ha ha ha ha h aha…the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart’s repeal of Trump’s Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh…I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it’s not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Trump’s presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump’s Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won’t win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

Your perfect world, if it existed, would swiftly implode. Those benefits and unpaid pensions don't come from thin air, dude. Its hilarious to imagine a socialism spending other people's money AND with an infinite population to service, to boot!

Nick, I notice when we hear from you we don't hear from Tiny Duck and vice versa. And you know , 10 % of what trump promised is way better than 90% of what Hillary was promising. And get your talking points straight before you lose the black voting bloc, everyone knows America was build on the backs of slaves, not immigrants. I'm 70 and hell my parents owned some and they did all the work around our house.

"The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is now independently, on its own impetus, requesting an internal vote on a full panel en banc hearing to review its own decision.
Additionally, the full ninth are asking the Trump administration to file an additional brief telling the court why the three member original appeals ruling authority was wrong."

The judge who filed the request for an internal review of the decision turns out to be the Chief Justice of the 9th --- ruh roh, somebody's embarrassed.

Instapundit adds: "Note that even if the court doesn’t go for rehearing, this opens it up for unhappy judges on the 9th who weren’t on the original 3-judge panel to file blistering dissents. Which will be there for the Supreme Court to read if it reviews the panel decision."

In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

You realize that parliamentary districts in the U.K., Canada, Australia, and Germany are like states and lead to the same result often enough? That a party that's did not win a plurality of the nationwide vote wins a majority of the seats and becomes the governing party? This has happened 3 times each in the past 40 years in each of those countries.

You are sadly mistaken, and you are foolish. My ancestors were not immigrants; they were pioneers and they took this land by right of conquest and uti possidetis.

You claim to want a war, but I'm not so sure you do; you've not even the cajones to meet me at your local coffee-shop and tell me all about how superiour to my race yours is.

You smack of a smug Mexican. If I am right, the last time my people had a war with your people, it went very poorly for yours. Abraham Lincoln once famously asked Winfield Scott, "Why is it that you were once able to take the City of Mexico in three months with five thousand men, and we have been unable to take Richmond with one hundred thousand men?"

"I will tell you," said General Scott. "The men who took us into the City of Mexico are the same men who are keeping us out of Richmond."

America is not a "nation of immigrants," as Howard Sutherland and others have copiously demonstrated.

By 1776, British colonists—mostly English, but with strong Scottish, Welsh, and Irish contingents, along with New York’s Dutch colonials and later German arrivals—had created an American branch of British civilization. At the time of the Declaration of Independence, they were long-settled: almost one hundred and seventy years in Virginia, more than one hundred and fifty in Massachusetts. At great effort—and at the expense of the Indians they uprooted and the African slaves they imported—colonial Americans formed a nation in their own image. The diversity of their settlements reflected the variety of their British origins. David Hackett Fischer’s magisterial Albion’s Seed traces four great British colonial migrations that leave their mark still: Puritans from East Anglia to New England, Cavaliers from the West Country to Virginia, Quakers from the Midlands to the Delaware, and northern Britons, including the Scots-Irish [my people], to Appalachia.

Revolutionary Americans, the U.S.A.’s founders, were fairly homogeneous: eighty per cent of British origin (sixty per cent English, twenty per cent Scottish and Scots-Irish), most of the rest Dutch and German—the great majority American-born. Overwhelmingly Christian, ninety-eight per cent were Protestants. (Not included in these percentages are American Indians, who had no part in the political life of the colonies, and African slaves and freemen, who were largely excluded from political and social life.) These descendants of colonial settlers were American natives, if by America we mean the U.S.A.

Immigrants are people who leave one country, one society, and move to another society. But there has to be a recipient society to which the immigrants move.

[H]ad there been no immigration after 1790, the settlers’ posterity alone—including African slaves’ and freed men’s descendants—would have grown by 1990 to approximately half the size of the actual population, which implies roughly half of Americans still have roots in the founding stock....

I would add that that halved population would leave the U.S.A. not unbearably overpopulated, as it is now.

I will make to you now two predictions:

1) A great wall will be erected to keep your kind out of my nation, and your nation will be compelled to concoct another strategy, besides sending undesirables north, to deal with its dysfunction.

2) Should society and civility continue to deteriorate at the present rate, mestizos will fare far more poorly than white people, for the same reasons that humans thrive without lice, but the opposite is not so.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Trump’s presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable . . . Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout

Do you really fail to see how good this would be for us and how bad it would be for you? The more out in the open the hatred the elite has in its shriveled, blackened hearts for American whites, the better.

He lost the popular vote because 57 counties voted for Clinton. In those counties reside millions of illegal aliens black affirmative action + welfare/ criminal slugs, gays, Jews and other haters of Whites.

Another way of looking at voting patterns is that there are 3,184 counties in this country and only 57 voted for Clinton.
It was California that made the popular vote for Clinton. About 30 percent of the population are illegal and legal immigrants who are not eligible to vote.
But many did vote and voted for Clinton.

My state has registration and voting by mail. The voter registration cards are available in every post office, library DMV and other government offices as well as most high schools for the convenience of kids turning 18.
Last October a postal carrier delivered 86 postal ballots, all with different names to one address.

I live within walking distance of a post office and 2 libraries. I could drop by each one once a week and pick up 100 registration cards. I could fill them out using different names I could check the vote by mail option

6 weeks before the election I could call the election commission and ask when the absentee ballots would be mailed out. Then I would be sure to stay home, out in the front yard with a big garbage bag to collect the ballots when the mail arrived
I could just fill them out and send them back.

Here is a story from the Pres election of 1980. This was years before mail in registration My sister lived in Germany at the time and my home was her official US address. She and friends visited most Summers She needed to register to vote. She mailed herself a letter addressed to my home

. She took her passport, her US and international Dr licenses and the letter addressed to her at my home to the registrar of voters. To her astonishment she was not asked for any ID or proof address.

Her friends laughed about it and decided to see if they too could get absentee ballots in a US election. So 2 English and 1 German girls went to the registrar of voters and registrars to vote. No questions asked, no ID or proof of address required.

They all got their absentee ballots in Germany and they all voted against Regean. And they all recieved absentee ballots for years afterwards

I agree that Trump won't be able to do much. I had a look at the friends of the court briefs filed in favor of the restraining order against Trumps ban on immigrants from the 7 countries Perdue, Tyson, Farmer John, Wilson, Armour, Oracle, Microsoft, 3M, Dell, Cisco, Apple, Facebook, hospital associations, all the Capitalist cannibals of America claiming that they would be irreblably harmed if they could not recruit every worker from physician and engineer to dishwasher and fruit picker from those 7 countries.

The capitalists recruited the hard left including the communists. hard socialists, environmentalists and Jews in their war against workers of all skill levels and races long ago.

The anti White democrats and liberals are just well funded dupes of the great corporations who want cheap, cheaper and cheapest labor

And they have succeeded. In California there are entire hospitals, medical offices, factories stores, restaurants where you not see one, not one White or black American worker.

I agree with you that Trump won't be able to do much. Most important the federal courts are supreme over the president and congress and have been since 1804, Marbury vs Madison. President Madison obeyed the Supreme Court and so has every President since except for Jackson who managed to prevent the creation of a federal reserve national bank.

The courts will obey their capitalist masters and overturn every thing Trump wants to do.

And don’t fear! Once you cut yourself off from the artificial stimulant of public politics — realizing that you don’t give a shit except to regret the predictable screwups, and also that anything real which might happen will be an unusual accident — you’ll start sleeping much better at night. After a month or two, you may even be able to see the drab, mundane, real political world in color.

But burning down the world with “freedom and democracy” is the State Department’s job.

Once you learn to believe in the past, you are never alone.

My children learned somewhere that Japan has free-range children. My 8 year old, I kid you not, was like: “If you wanted groceries, you could just send me to the store! I could go on the subway!” She said this like she was imagining conditions on Mars.

the rational purpose of politics is to produce a one-time pulse of energy, which switches sovereignty from the current nondemocratic regime to a different, but better-organized, nondemocratic regime.

force is not a synonym for violence, but the opposite of violence.

As for free speech in democracy, if we include all systems claiming to be democracies, it has a very poor record. Even if we look only at ours… have you been outside lately?

As a good Enlightenment liberal, I am interested in all infringements on my liberties, whether or not they are implemented directly by men in blue. Should I treat official or unofficial assaults on my rights differently? If I do, that’s just a great incentive for tyranny to get its job done indirectly.

Power corrupts science. Do you really, actually, think there are 1000 negative effects of a global temperature increase, for every 1 positive effect? But there are a thousand negative effects published for every positive effect published. Obviously I’m pulling this number out of my ass, but you know what I mean.

It would be foolish for me to utterly discount coordinated mass wishing as a political mechanism. It has made things happen. If not always good things. But is it ridiculous to hope that we could do better?

I think a system of government predicated on the foundation that Democrat-Americans shall be master over Republican-Americans (which is basically the system we have today, believe it or not), is absolutely awful. I also think the converse is absolutely awful, although at the moment it would certainly be a refreshing change.

We really need to stop pretending it’s a battle of abstract ideas, and you win if your ideas are consistent and the other side is proved a hypocrite. It’s not an argument, it’s just a cold civil war.

Call me back when I start a civil war in Libya and Syria, and kill half a million people.

Remember Samantha Power and R2P? Where were you when this happened? I’m guessing one of us was cheering the “Arab Spring.” It wasn’t me.

And that’s only taking it back half a decade! Honey, I’m not even starting! Do you see how it’s hard for me to be super appalled if the Trump administration screws up some peoples’ travel plans, or even their careers? In the insane world we live in today?

The Japanese and Chinese have zero tolerance for crime, as we have zero tolerance for nuclear radiation leaks. They come to our cities and think we’re completely fucking insane. As we are.

Yes, Moldbug is in very fine form on that comment thread on Scott Aaronson's blog (posting as "Boldmug"). He even trash-talks the host and the other commenters for not laying a glove on him. It's hilarious how they can only ineffectually misrepresent him in order to look like they are scoring any points. There are very few writers about whom, when I hear of a concerted attack by the Hive against them, I think "he doesn't need my advice, he can take care of himself just fine", but Moldbug is one of them. Heartiste is another.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

Nickie, it’s decisions like this one from the 9th Circus, as they say, that will win Trump the electors AND popular vote in 4 years.

How does she write an article about NRx without referencing HBD? I get it was primarily about NRx as anti-democracy but it is anti-demo to a certain extent because of HBD.

Weird.

You could have no HBD and NrX would still be anti-democracy. Even in a world of equals, so as long as individuals have low time preference and groupthink destroys good ideas, NrX will find demotist concepts hollow.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

You live in an amazing bubble. Its so adorable.

Your perfect world, if it existed, would swiftly implode. Those benefits and unpaid pensions don’t come from thin air, dude. Its hilarious to imagine a socialism spending other people’s money AND with an infinite population to service, to boot!

Venezuela is the perfect example of this fact. HBD and the incredible mismanagement of resources through socialism has led Venezuelan people to know the divine pleasures of hunting stray dogs for meat and dumpster diving for vegetables.

The problem with stupid people is that they do not know they are stupid.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

Not really, because when they came the political and territorial entity knows as the "United States of America" did not exist. Therefore, they technically did not "invade" or enter illegaly the U.S.A., and therefore laws of immigration and deportation simply do not apply to them. Quite the opposite, the invaders were the English settlers who came and took the land that belonged to them. America was built on theft.

Damn, it is so easy to prove you guys wrong. The worst part is that you think you're being clever with these pseudo-sarcastic comments.

If Trump or any President can essentially change the quasi-legal form of government, perhaps acting in a Jacksonian way, that would be a true auto-coup in the Alberto Fujimori tradition. He would have no choice but to continue across the Rubicon, and simply govern by EO indefinitely. Perhaps this would come after some kind of enabling legislation. Perhaps it would just mean ignoring Congress, which after all has a popularity of 10% and consists of a collection of crooks, flacks and hacks with the collective charisma of a senile banana slug. It might even mean defying the much more attractively-dressed judicial branch. Whose popularity is much higher, surpassing that of investment bankers and approaching the common raccoon.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

Nick, I notice when we hear from you we don’t hear from Tiny Duck and vice versa. And you know , 10 % of what trump promised is way better than 90% of what Hillary was promising. And get your talking points straight before you lose the black voting bloc, everyone knows America was build on the backs of slaves, not immigrants. I’m 70 and hell my parents owned some and they did all the work around our house.

And don’t fear! Once you cut yourself off from the artificial stimulant of public politics — realizing that you don’t give a shit except to regret the predictable screwups, and also that anything real which might happen will be an unusual accident — you’ll start sleeping much better at night. After a month or two, you may even be able to see the drab, mundane, real political world in color.

But burning down the world with “freedom and democracy” is the State Department’s job.

Once you learn to believe in the past, you are never alone.

My children learned somewhere that Japan has free-range children. My 8 year old, I kid you not, was like: “If you wanted groceries, you could just send me to the store! I could go on the subway!” She said this like she was imagining conditions on Mars.

the rational purpose of politics is to produce a one-time pulse of energy, which switches sovereignty from the current nondemocratic regime to a different, but better-organized, nondemocratic regime.

force is not a synonym for violence, but the opposite of violence.

As for free speech in democracy, if we include all systems claiming to be democracies, it has a very poor record. Even if we look only at ours… have you been outside lately?

As a good Enlightenment liberal, I am interested in all infringements on my liberties, whether or not they are implemented directly by men in blue. Should I treat official or unofficial assaults on my rights differently? If I do, that’s just a great incentive for tyranny to get its job done indirectly.

Power corrupts science. Do you really, actually, think there are 1000 negative effects of a global temperature increase, for every 1 positive effect? But there are a thousand negative effects published for every positive effect published. Obviously I’m pulling this number out of my ass, but you know what I mean.

It would be foolish for me to utterly discount coordinated mass wishing as a political mechanism. It has made things happen. If not always good things. But is it ridiculous to hope that we could do better?

I think a system of government predicated on the foundation that Democrat-Americans shall be master over Republican-Americans (which is basically the system we have today, believe it or not), is absolutely awful. I also think the converse is absolutely awful, although at the moment it would certainly be a refreshing change.

We really need to stop pretending it’s a battle of abstract ideas, and you win if your ideas are consistent and the other side is proved a hypocrite. It’s not an argument, it’s just a cold civil war.

Call me back when I start a civil war in Libya and Syria, and kill half a million people.

Remember Samantha Power and R2P? Where were you when this happened? I’m guessing one of us was cheering the “Arab Spring.” It wasn’t me.

And that’s only taking it back half a decade! Honey, I’m not even starting! Do you see how it’s hard for me to be super appalled if the Trump administration screws up some peoples’ travel plans, or even their careers? In the insane world we live in today?

The Japanese and Chinese have zero tolerance for crime, as we have zero tolerance for nuclear radiation leaks. They come to our cities and think we’re completely fucking insane. As we are.

And don’t fear! Once you cut yourself off from the artificial stimulant of public politics — realizing that you don’t give a shit except to regret the predictable screwups, and also that anything real which might happen will be an unusual accident — you’ll start sleeping much better at night. After a month or two, you may even be able to see the drab, mundane, real political world in color.

But burning down the world with “freedom and democracy” is the State Department’s job.

Once you learn to believe in the past, you are never alone.

My children learned somewhere that Japan has free-range children. My 8 year old, I kid you not, was like: “If you wanted groceries, you could just send me to the store! I could go on the subway!” She said this like she was imagining conditions on Mars.

the rational purpose of politics is to produce a one-time pulse of energy, which switches sovereignty from the current nondemocratic regime to a different, but better-organized, nondemocratic regime.

force is not a synonym for violence, but the opposite of violence.

As for free speech in democracy, if we include all systems claiming to be democracies, it has a very poor record. Even if we look only at ours… have you been outside lately?

As a good Enlightenment liberal, I am interested in all infringements on my liberties, whether or not they are implemented directly by men in blue. Should I treat official or unofficial assaults on my rights differently? If I do, that’s just a great incentive for tyranny to get its job done indirectly.

Power corrupts science. Do you really, actually, think there are 1000 negative effects of a global temperature increase, for every 1 positive effect? But there are a thousand negative effects published for every positive effect published. Obviously I’m pulling this number out of my ass, but you know what I mean.

It would be foolish for me to utterly discount coordinated mass wishing as a political mechanism. It has made things happen. If not always good things. But is it ridiculous to hope that we could do better?

I think a system of government predicated on the foundation that Democrat-Americans shall be master over Republican-Americans (which is basically the system we have today, believe it or not), is absolutely awful. I also think the converse is absolutely awful, although at the moment it would certainly be a refreshing change.

We really need to stop pretending it’s a battle of abstract ideas, and you win if your ideas are consistent and the other side is proved a hypocrite. It’s not an argument, it’s just a cold civil war.

Call me back when I start a civil war in Libya and Syria, and kill half a million people.

Remember Samantha Power and R2P? Where were you when this happened? I’m guessing one of us was cheering the “Arab Spring.” It wasn’t me.

And that’s only taking it back half a decade! Honey, I’m not even starting! Do you see how it’s hard for me to be super appalled if the Trump administration screws up some peoples’ travel plans, or even their careers? In the insane world we live in today?

The Japanese and Chinese have zero tolerance for crime, as we have zero tolerance for nuclear radiation leaks. They come to our cities and think we’re completely fucking insane. As we are.

In short: come to the dark side! We have cookies. And a library.

Yes, Moldbug is in very fine form on that comment thread on Scott Aaronson’s blog (posting as “Boldmug”). He even trash-talks the host and the other commenters for not laying a glove on him. It’s hilarious how they can only ineffectually misrepresent him in order to look like they are scoring any points. There are very few writers about whom, when I hear of a concerted attack by the Hive against them, I think “he doesn’t need my advice, he can take care of himself just fine”, but Moldbug is one of them. Heartiste is another.

That is not nice. Scott should be working on complexity theory and writing a followup to his excellent "Quantum Computing since Democritus" instead of dabbling in The Politics of Panic, where he is definitely out of his depth.

If you read the thing Bannon's not really an Evola-ite, just saying traditionalism has its plus side. I kind of figured he was mentioning the fascism to show how it could go off the rails--would a Vatican audience be pro-fascist? I had the impression most of the Catholics thought Hitler was trying to replace God with himself but were hoping he'd get rid of the Commies, and now he's even less popular.

They aren't adverse to anti-democracy at all, or at least those "in the know" aren't. They're anti-democrats themselves. They've been trying to replace democracy--which when they badmouth it is called "politics"--with the Managerial State for over a century. That's the entire point of Progressivism.

Granted, they are of two minds on the subject, to put it mildly. They still need democracy, and are constantly arguing for more of it when it comes to signing up new voters to swamp out their opposition. But of course those voters aren't supposed to change anything. They're just to keep out the other gang out of power. The real decisions continue to be made by putative experts.

This is something everyone is told over and over again, but no one seems to remember.

In his old incarnation, Moldburg called himself a Jacobin who was wishing for the restoration of the royalty. In this sense his critique was like that of the Marxists – he was really good at explaining why things really suck the way that they are, but what he proposed as a replacement was even worse.

But in other places, he seems to shift to more of a corporatist idea – states should be governed the way corporations are governed, with self-perpetuating boards of directors who select their successors. This is not that far from the scheme in the original constitution where only 1/2 of 1 branch of gov. (house) was directly elected. This strikes me as a little more practical than bringing back royalty.

I do love how he trolls the Atlantic reporter. He’s really hilarious, truly has a 160 IQ and loves to toy with liberals who are 3 SDs below him the way Mohammed Ali used to toy with lesser boxers .

The Atlantic “story” is based upon this quote
“Moldbug, who does not do interviews and could not be reached for this story, has reportedly opened up a line to the White House, communicating with Bannon and his aides through an intermediary, according to a source. ”

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Trump’s presidency is going to be a war.

yes

If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well.

yes the cheap labor lobby (aka GOPe) is against him and people in prosperous white enclaves who still follishly trust the media are against him

Robert “4th” Reich is now claiming that the false flag Berkeley rioters were actually the Bronze Age Pervert’s cohort of nude body builders doing a dress rehearsal for the mayhem they plan to unleash nude in Washington DC on April 1st. 4th Reich also claims many of the supposed Trump supporter victims were really crisis actors from Bronze Age Pervert’s all male, fascist, body building gym.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

You are obviously not black nor do you have any black friends because no authentic African American would agree than he or she is the descendant of immigrants.

Most black Americans are the descendants of slaves –who were most certainly not immigrants.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

Nah, he's been around a lot longer. And he's way more interested in back-and-forth debating with the Sailer commentariat than TD is. He's very similar to Corvinus but I think Occam's Razor is that they too are different people.

I know nothing concrete. He's on twitter as @kantbot2000. Somewhere along the line I picked up that he's a University of Chicago grad--although I may just be projecting my fondness for UC onto him. Two of his comrades also appear in the video (I've gathered that they tweet as @ALLCAPSBRO and @380kmh). He traveled in Japan recently. Around New Year's, he tweeted pictures of his girlfriend's parents' library, from which I gather that they're academics. I haven't doxxed him any further.

I like this so much, I think, because it reminds me of the intellectual high jinks of my youth: Monty Python, P.D.Q. Bach, AD&D, a regular trivia phone-in competition on public radio (WVXU, I think), time-sharing on the big mainframe computer at the university downtown, etc.

In his old incarnation, Moldburg called himself a Jacobin who was wishing for the restoration of the royalty. In this sense his critique was like that of the Marxists - he was really good at explaining why things really suck the way that they are, but what he proposed as a replacement was even worse.

But in other places, he seems to shift to more of a corporatist idea - states should be governed the way corporations are governed, with self-perpetuating boards of directors who select their successors. This is not that far from the scheme in the original constitution where only 1/2 of 1 branch of gov. (house) was directly elected. This strikes me as a little more practical than bringing back royalty.

I do love how he trolls the Atlantic reporter. He's really hilarious, truly has a 160 IQ and loves to toy with liberals who are 3 SDs below him the way Mohammed Ali used to toy with lesser boxers .

The Atlantic "story" is based upon this quote
"Moldbug, who does not do interviews and could not be reached for this story, has reportedly opened up a line to the White House, communicating with Bannon and his aides through an intermediary, according to a source. "

A source. LOL

Surely you meant Jacobite?

Someone once said somewhere that if you haven’t read Moldbug, you don’t understand history. Which is completely true.

I'm not sure if he's ever used the term Jacobin, but he states pretty frequently that he's a former (and current, after a fashion) libertarian.

His thesis, which he makes a very persuasive historical argument for, is that weakening the central authority,[1] or impairing its police powers to enforce law and order, will inevitably result in expansion of the state ("red giant states"), as larger bureaucracies are required to enforce laws effectively, and increasingly elaborate systems of in-group patronage and religious-ideological indoctrination are needed, since the ruling coalition must continuously expand to maintain power.

In other words, libertarian ends cannot be achieved by libertarian means, which actually result in the direct opposite.

[1] Transferring powers from the executive to bodies[2] not accountable to (i.e. replaceable by) them.

[2] Legislatures, judges, (in particular) the civil service, subnational bodies and military officers, in cases where they can't be overruled, replaced and abolished or restructured by the executive.[3] Also, any incentives for the executive other than maximizing the long-term prosperity, safety and living conditions of their subject people.[4]

[3] A manager delegating authority to foremen he can hire and fire doesn't weaken the executive, but requiring management's decisions to be approved by union reps does weaken the executive. The previously-unified executive is now split between two bodies, neither of which is formally accountable to the other, and both of which will divert revenue and personnel to lobby employees and external authorities to increase their share of the power.

[4] Personal and immediate family's safety, Election campaigning, other incentives based on short-term public approval, protecting against a coup, protecting against legal removal from office by institutions with conflicting incentives, systems of patronage, requirements to justify actions within an ideological framework.[5]

[5] Adhere to the constitution, further democracy, maintain heavenly favor, preserve decency, achieve communism, win glorious victories, convert the heathens, throw the Jew down the well, protect the marginalized, save the whales, end capitalism, appease the gods' thirst for blood…

Nah, he’s been around a lot longer. And he’s way more interested in back-and-forth debating with the Sailer commentariat than TD is. He’s very similar to Corvinus but I think Occam’s Razor is that they too are different people.

Nick has a more confrontational vibe, though not usually at this level. More verbose and less obviously silly than The Duck. Something must have upset him today.

Corvinus is more like the concern troll, and his delight is to waste the time of people who respond to him and think he might be amenable to reasoned argument (he ain't, he argues in bad faith). I gave up on him months back, but there are still poor souls who are prepared to wrestle with a pig.

the people who own the media aren't as averse to anti-democracy as they are to hbd so they're less anti the neo-reaction part of the alt-right than the rest

They aren’t adverse to anti-democracy at all, or at least those “in the know” aren’t. They’re anti-democrats themselves. They’ve been trying to replace democracy–which when they badmouth it is called “politics”–with the Managerial State for over a century. That’s the entire point of Progressivism.

Granted, they are of two minds on the subject, to put it mildly. They still need democracy, and are constantly arguing for more of it when it comes to signing up new voters to swamp out their opposition. But of course those voters aren’t supposed to change anything. They’re just to keep out the other gang out of power. The real decisions continue to be made by putative experts.

This is something everyone is told over and over again, but no one seems to remember.

They still need democracy, and are constantly arguing for more of it when it comes to signing up new voters to swamp out their opposition...

This has been going on ever since the early nineteenth century, when the freehold qualification began to be abandoned. American history shows that the fundamental defect of limited-franchise democracy is that when one faction can't get its way, it seeks to redefine the franchise to its advantage. Voting is ideally viewed not as a right, nor as a duty, but as a public trust. Yet this truth has been forgotten amidst talk of rights and venting of grievances.

The supposed "right to vote" is legally distinct from the ordinary rights of citizenship. Constitutional lawyers understood this at the time of the Fifteenth Amendment. Had the franchise been among those rights, that Amendment would not have been necessary to enfranchise negroes - the Fourteenth Amendment would have sufficed.

But in fact, the franchise is independent of those ordinary rights, and has been extended in several steps. The first was the severance of the franchise from property ownership. At the time of the Revolution, the franchise in all the colonies was confined to freeholders. Fifty or sixty years later, the property qualification was mostly gone, opening the polls to all white males. This hastened the demise of the Federalist Party and enabled the rise of Andrew Jackson. The ratification of the Fifteenth Amendment, swelling Southern voter rolls with freed blacks, solidified Republican control of the post-bellum Federal government, and permitted the enactment of robust tariffs that had long been sought by Northern industrialists, as well as the looting of the South by Republican carpetbaggers during the so-called Reconstruction.

While the subsequent Redemption effectively disenfranchised Southern blacks, women's suffrage was the next great expansion of the franchise, and was closely connected with the enactment of liquor prohibition. Then in the 'sixties, the civil rights movement brought about the re-enfranchisement of blacks, along with leftist attacks, disguised as "civil rights acts," on rights of free association and private property.

The common thread through all of these enlargements of the franchise has been the aggrandizement of the Federal government's power and size. At each step, some faction has derived immediate benefit from expanding voter roles by shifting the electoral balance in its favor - but in all cases this has increased the scope and size of government at the expense of liberty.

We are now at the point where there is no class of existing citizens that does not enjoy the franchise, so the effort of one of our current factions has shifted to importing new voters, or indeed enfranchising foreigners illegally present here.

One of the most powerful arguments of the neoreactionaries is to point out that meddling with the franchise is an inherent flaw of democracy. When a faction fails to get what it wants it does not seek to persuade the existing electorate to its point of view - it simply creates enough new voters to do so.

I have always been a believer in "timocracy" - in other words, a relatively broad franchise, but one limited to voters qualified on the basis of property ownership or tax payment, military service, or descent from the country's founding population. The Venetian Republic had such a government and survived for a thousand years - but in the United States our factions seem to have been unable to resist "dissolving the people and electing another." The result has been a slow descent into oligarchy. As the vote has been expanded more and more promiscuously, the less it has become worth in practice.

Our laws are made by largely unanswerable bureaucrats to whom our elected representatives, unwilling to do the actual work of a legislature, have delegated the authority. Difficult issues are decided by judges, whom being appointed for life, never have to face voters who are unhappy with their decisions. Congress, for the present, retains the power of levying taxes and appropriating funds, though judges have occasionally arrogated even this authority to themselves. Even a president, as we have seen, can be defeated by judges.

It is only a matter of time before our rois fainéants, like the ancient Merovingians, are at long last dismissed by the modern equivalents of the mayors of the palace - bureaucrats and judges.

I was wondering why Justin Raimondo was tweeting someone called Bronze Age Pervert. I have no idea anymore whether the media know the difference between fact and fiction, satiricism and truth. They really are finished, and the cash flow statements don't lie.

“Apparently there’s a big underground movement of right-wing bodybuilders — thousands. Their plan is to surface spectacularly this April, in a choreographed flash demo on the Mall. They’ll be totally nude, but wearing MAGA hats. Goal is to intimidate Congress with pure masculine show of youth, energy. Trump is said to know, will coordinate with powerful EOs…”

Hilarious.

I believe J. G. Ballard once wrote a short story about a right-wing bodybuilder movement. It was an European movement though. They took over the southern beaches during summertime or something.

The Assassination of Donald John Trump Considered as a Pose-Off at the National Mall

In the post-Obama era a single gesture such as a reverse curl will have more significance than all the dialogue in Girls. Massive sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and abdominal bloating could be induced within half an hour, aided by the application of suitable testosterone derivatives. Convincing definition required careful preparation, and might involve some three to four hours of spray tan. In the postures the bodybuilders assumed, in the contour of thigh and thorax, Moldbug and Trump explored the geometry and volumetric time of Milo's chiseled jawline, and later the curvilinear expanse of Steve Bannon's fascist waistline. A gynecomastia-afflicted young bodybuilder with an advanced quad sweep stood in the brilliant pearl light, his posing trunks bathed in the magnified image of Huma Abedin's mouth.

Nick, I notice when we hear from you we don't hear from Tiny Duck and vice versa. And you know , 10 % of what trump promised is way better than 90% of what Hillary was promising. And get your talking points straight before you lose the black voting bloc, everyone knows America was build on the backs of slaves, not immigrants. I'm 70 and hell my parents owned some and they did all the work around our house.

Nick, I notice when we hear from you we don’t hear from Tiny Duck and vice versa.

The same thought occurred to me.
It’s nice to know the insane progs need to buttress their numbers with several handles.

Yes, Moldbug is in very fine form on that comment thread on Scott Aaronson's blog (posting as "Boldmug"). He even trash-talks the host and the other commenters for not laying a glove on him. It's hilarious how they can only ineffectually misrepresent him in order to look like they are scoring any points. There are very few writers about whom, when I hear of a concerted attack by the Hive against them, I think "he doesn't need my advice, he can take care of himself just fine", but Moldbug is one of them. Heartiste is another.

That is not nice. Scott should be working on complexity theory and writing a followup to his excellent “Quantum Computing since Democritus” instead of dabbling in The Politics of Panic, where he is definitely out of his depth.

Scott is exactly the same as he was 15 years ago when as a grad student he said he saw absolutely nothing wrong with a command or even entirely centralized economy other than "it would work if people like me were in charge." He said it without a hint of irony. Completely earnest.

Do you or anybody else have any further details (especially identity) about the star troll of this video?

I agree with you that this was easily the best video of the 2016 campaign.

I know nothing concrete. He’s on twitter as @kantbot2000. Somewhere along the line I picked up that he’s a University of Chicago grad–although I may just be projecting my fondness for UC onto him. Two of his comrades also appear in the video (I’ve gathered that they tweet as @ALLCAPSBRO and @380kmh). He traveled in Japan recently. Around New Year’s, he tweeted pictures of his girlfriend’s parents’ library, from which I gather that they’re academics. I haven’t doxxed him any further.

I like this so much, I think, because it reminds me of the intellectual high jinks of my youth: Monty Python, P.D.Q. Bach, AD&D, a regular trivia phone-in competition on public radio (WVXU, I think), time-sharing on the big mainframe computer at the university downtown, etc.

Uncomfortable though the topic may be, the authors have attempted a rigorous analysis. Denunciations came quickly, however. Within hours of publication, Mr Hamermesh received vitriolic messages and was labelled a racist in an online forum popular among economists. Mr Hamermesh, an avowed progressive, who refers to Donald Trump only by amusing nicknames and resigned from a post at the University of Texas over a state law permitting the open carrying of firearms, finds this unfair. He notes that Americans work too much. His preferred solution would not be for some groups to work more, but for others to work less.

Nah, he's been around a lot longer. And he's way more interested in back-and-forth debating with the Sailer commentariat than TD is. He's very similar to Corvinus but I think Occam's Razor is that they too are different people.

Yeah but Diaz is merely a Nexus-6 replicant, whereas Corvinus is a Nexus-7.

Corvinus is one of the types that believe ancient Egyptians were sub Saharan blacks. I value his contributions as an intelligent dissenter who puts high quality thought into his comments. He is still often incorrect, but he is definitely a Mark V leftist that keeps us honest and nimble.

There is an obvious Bronze Age / Nazi link waiting to be made by The Atlantic. The Hallstatt culture in Austria provided proto-Germanic and practically AfD precursors. There is no doubt some geographic predestination to be identified. I await their next revelation, and shall revel in the comfort of their assiduous approach to all things Atlantian, as well. In the meantime, it is almost beer:30.

I have several books about the bronze age I keep meaning to read and only ever dabble in, including a recent one called The Horse, the Wheel, and Language. I find myself relatively uninterested in history prior to the classical age. But if I can go Nazi-hunting, why not? Can't stop that Fascinatin' Fascism.

These “Native Americans,” like the Ainu, are actually lost tribes of wandering Bronze Age Aryans.

If we're being serious for a moment: there are at least three different waves of Native American colonization. Eskimo/Aleut are the latest arrivals, various Dene people are a second wave related to the Ket people in Russia, the rest of the tribes are the first wave. (Although even there the 'first wave' might be a mix of different arrivals at different times, we just don't have the linguistic and genetic resolution to measure it.)

Also there is a good case to be made that some South American tribes are mixed with Polynesian colonists. Thor Heyerdahl wasn't entirely bonkers.

There is an obvious Bronze Age / Nazi link waiting to be made by The Atlantic. The Hallstatt culture in Austria provided proto-Germanic and practically AfD precursors. There is no doubt some geographic predestination to be identified. I await their next revelation, and shall revel in the comfort of their assiduous approach to all things Atlantian, as well. In the meantime, it is almost beer:30.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallstatt_culture

I have several books about the bronze age I keep meaning to read and only ever dabble in, including a recent one called The Horse, the Wheel, and Language. I find myself relatively uninterested in history prior to the classical age. But if I can go Nazi-hunting, why not? Can’t stop that Fascinatin’ Fascism.

Try this : https://www.amazon.com/dp/0300151179/?tag=mh0b-20&hvadid=3523743802&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_2f0yujxrw9_e , not Bronze age , more stone age meets the modern world ca. mid 19th cent. "The Horse, the Wheel, and Language." was more Razib Khan dense .

I keep waiting for SNL to do a takeoff on that 80s movie “Cruising” about the cop infiltrating gay leather bars to capture a serial killer. Instead, have some goodthinking SWPL reporter given the assignment to infiltrate the ALTRIGHT. He starts attending gyms full of rightwing guys in leather, and he eventually goes native: lifting weights, trolling his editor with anti-Semitic pepes, going out with his bros to practice picking up women, getting one of those stupid Richard Spencer Hitler youth haircuts from a barber with a picture of Evola on the wall…

Ha ha ha ha h aha…the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart’s repeal of Trump’s Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh…I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Nomeated. What are the odds Dick Niaz is a Tiny Dick? 99.5%?

Nick, I notice when we hear from you we don’t hear from Tiny Duck and vice versa.

See? I’m telling you, the spelling thing. Corvy does it too.

Is Nick Diaz “Tiny Duck” under another name?

Now thirded.

The same thought occurred to me.
It’s nice to know the insane progs need to buttress their numbers with several handles.

MSM journos wouldn't even realize that except in the alternate universe where he's Chaim Yachimovich. As NOTA says, no way they're doing anything other than ctrl+f for slavery, Confederate, Nazi and Hitler in his essays. Also, they wouldn't care; No True Jew could ever support fasracistrumpbannonazislavery.

I keep waiting for SNL to do a takeoff on that 80s movie “Cruising” about the cop infiltrating gay leather bars to capture a serial killer. Instead, have some goodthinking SWPL reporter given the assignment to infiltrate the ALTRIGHT. He starts attending gyms full of rightwing guys in leather, and he eventually goes native: lifting weights, trolling his editor with anti-Semitic pepes, going out with his bros to practice picking up women, getting one of those stupid Richard Spencer Hitler youth haircuts from a barber with a picture of Evola on the wall...

You could seriously play the alt-right for laughs, what with the Pepes, haircuts, and so on. Of course they would wind up making it look cool, much as Michael Douglas did with Wall Street.

If you read the thing Bannon’s not really an Evola-ite, just saying traditionalism has its plus side. I kind of figured he was mentioning the fascism to show how it could go off the rails–would a Vatican audience be pro-fascist? I had the impression most of the Catholics thought Hitler was trying to replace God with himself but were hoping he’d get rid of the Commies, and now he’s even less popular.

Now that someone is shining a light on the bodybuilding-fascist-Trump-voter links, I expect the MSM to connect the dots with NNT’s “IYIs don’t deadlift”. Oh, and Dave Pinsen’s Twitter icon is like a neo-nazi icthus. On the upside, once the word gets out, all the social signalers will switch to cardio machines, which should make it easier to get time on the power rack. Trump admin=bigger pulls!!

True, but it was mentioned in the Vox summary. These guys aren't going deep into Nick Land's oeuvre and reading Vox Day on alt-white versus alt-West, but they are going to figure out what ethnic groups everyone belongs to, because Who? Whom?

I know nothing concrete. He's on twitter as @kantbot2000. Somewhere along the line I picked up that he's a University of Chicago grad--although I may just be projecting my fondness for UC onto him. Two of his comrades also appear in the video (I've gathered that they tweet as @ALLCAPSBRO and @380kmh). He traveled in Japan recently. Around New Year's, he tweeted pictures of his girlfriend's parents' library, from which I gather that they're academics. I haven't doxxed him any further.

I like this so much, I think, because it reminds me of the intellectual high jinks of my youth: Monty Python, P.D.Q. Bach, AD&D, a regular trivia phone-in competition on public radio (WVXU, I think), time-sharing on the big mainframe computer at the university downtown, etc.

The probability of the average clickbait journalist reading a whole Moldbug essay is just slightly above the probability of Donald Trump reading one.

True, but it was mentioned in the Vox summary. These guys aren’t going deep into Nick Land’s oeuvre and reading Vox Day on alt-white versus alt-West, but they are going to figure out what ethnic groups everyone belongs to, because Who? Whom?

I keep waiting for SNL to do a takeoff on that 80s movie “Cruising” about the cop infiltrating gay leather bars to capture a serial killer. Instead, have some goodthinking SWPL reporter given the assignment to infiltrate the ALTRIGHT. He starts attending gyms full of rightwing guys in leather, and he eventually goes native: lifting weights, trolling his editor with anti-Semitic pepes, going out with his bros to practice picking up women, getting one of those stupid Richard Spencer Hitler youth haircuts from a barber with a picture of Evola on the wall...

Forget Evola.

Remember Eva!

Stage a Madonna comeback (different spelling if needed) as Ilsa the wicked Nazi warden in Leather!

Why were fascists so popular back in 1996 when don't cry for me Argentina was made? Was it because they had a Democrat in the White House? You know I bet the Schwartz commando of gravity's rainbow would've been very popular during Obama's reign

That is the lowest point in the history of the Crusades, but there are also many high points, like reconquering Jerusalem. I suppose even then, they were a tad too violent once the city fell.

The fall of the Byzantines can mostly be blamed on themselves, as they engaged in constant civil wars, with the weaker or both sides inviting in foreign soldier to fight against their brothers. Much the same way the Western Empire fell.

I know nothing concrete. He's on twitter as @kantbot2000. Somewhere along the line I picked up that he's a University of Chicago grad--although I may just be projecting my fondness for UC onto him. Two of his comrades also appear in the video (I've gathered that they tweet as @ALLCAPSBRO and @380kmh). He traveled in Japan recently. Around New Year's, he tweeted pictures of his girlfriend's parents' library, from which I gather that they're academics. I haven't doxxed him any further.

I like this so much, I think, because it reminds me of the intellectual high jinks of my youth: Monty Python, P.D.Q. Bach, AD&D, a regular trivia phone-in competition on public radio (WVXU, I think), time-sharing on the big mainframe computer at the university downtown, etc.

Percy Gryce:

My sincere thanks for your response to my request.

This is just one more example of the high quality of the UR and its knowledgeable respondents.

Someone once said somewhere that if you haven't read Moldbug, you don't understand history. Which is completely true.

I’m not sure if he’s ever used the term Jacobin, but he states pretty frequently that he’s a former (and current, after a fashion) libertarian.

His thesis, which he makes a very persuasive historical argument for, is that weakening the central authority,[1] or impairing its police powers to enforce law and order, will inevitably result in expansion of the state (“red giant states”), as larger bureaucracies are required to enforce laws effectively, and increasingly elaborate systems of in-group patronage and religious-ideological indoctrination are needed, since the ruling coalition must continuously expand to maintain power.

In other words, libertarian ends cannot be achieved by libertarian means, which actually result in the direct opposite.

[1] Transferring powers from the executive to bodies[2] not accountable to (i.e. replaceable by) them.

[2] Legislatures, judges, (in particular) the civil service, subnational bodies and military officers, in cases where they can’t be overruled, replaced and abolished or restructured by the executive.[3] Also, any incentives for the executive other than maximizing the long-term prosperity, safety and living conditions of their subject people.[4]

[3] A manager delegating authority to foremen he can hire and fire doesn’t weaken the executive, but requiring management’s decisions to be approved by union reps does weaken the executive. The previously-unified executive is now split between two bodies, neither of which is formally accountable to the other, and both of which will divert revenue and personnel to lobby employees and external authorities to increase their share of the power.

[4] Personal and immediate family’s safety, Election campaigning, other incentives based on short-term public approval, protecting against a coup, protecting against legal removal from office by institutions with conflicting incentives, systems of patronage, requirements to justify actions within an ideological framework.[5]

[5] Adhere to the constitution, further democracy, maintain heavenly favor, preserve decency, achieve communism, win glorious victories, convert the heathens, throw the Jew down the well, protect the marginalized, save the whales, end capitalism, appease the gods’ thirst for blood…

Stage a Madonna comeback (different spelling if needed) as Ilsa the wicked Nazi warden in Leather!

(no link provided this time)

Why were fascists so popular back in 1996 when don’t cry for me Argentina was made? Was it because they had a Democrat in the White House? You know I bet the Schwartz commando of gravity’s rainbow would’ve been very popular during Obama’s reign

I'm not sure if he's ever used the term Jacobin, but he states pretty frequently that he's a former (and current, after a fashion) libertarian.

His thesis, which he makes a very persuasive historical argument for, is that weakening the central authority,[1] or impairing its police powers to enforce law and order, will inevitably result in expansion of the state ("red giant states"), as larger bureaucracies are required to enforce laws effectively, and increasingly elaborate systems of in-group patronage and religious-ideological indoctrination are needed, since the ruling coalition must continuously expand to maintain power.

In other words, libertarian ends cannot be achieved by libertarian means, which actually result in the direct opposite.

[1] Transferring powers from the executive to bodies[2] not accountable to (i.e. replaceable by) them.

[2] Legislatures, judges, (in particular) the civil service, subnational bodies and military officers, in cases where they can't be overruled, replaced and abolished or restructured by the executive.[3] Also, any incentives for the executive other than maximizing the long-term prosperity, safety and living conditions of their subject people.[4]

[3] A manager delegating authority to foremen he can hire and fire doesn't weaken the executive, but requiring management's decisions to be approved by union reps does weaken the executive. The previously-unified executive is now split between two bodies, neither of which is formally accountable to the other, and both of which will divert revenue and personnel to lobby employees and external authorities to increase their share of the power.

[4] Personal and immediate family's safety, Election campaigning, other incentives based on short-term public approval, protecting against a coup, protecting against legal removal from office by institutions with conflicting incentives, systems of patronage, requirements to justify actions within an ideological framework.[5]

[5] Adhere to the constitution, further democracy, maintain heavenly favor, preserve decency, achieve communism, win glorious victories, convert the heathens, throw the Jew down the well, protect the marginalized, save the whales, end capitalism, appease the gods' thirst for blood…

Actually, I'd wonder, given Moldbug's hemi-Semitic pedigree, if at least some of them figure they can come to an accommodation with NRx rather than the other parts of the alt-right.

MSM journos wouldn’t even realize that except in the alternate universe where he’s Chaim Yachimovich. As NOTA says, no way they’re doing anything other than ctrl+f for slavery, Confederate, Nazi and Hitler in his essays. Also, they wouldn’t care; No True Jew could ever support fasracistrumpbannonazislavery.

Well, the crusaders nuked the last bastion of Christianity against the Ottoman Empire for purely venal reasons to please The Doge, and there are too many uncomfortable parallels to today.

That is the lowest point in the history of the Crusades, but there are also many high points, like reconquering Jerusalem. I suppose even then, they were a tad too violent once the city fell.

The fall of the Byzantines can mostly be blamed on themselves, as they engaged in constant civil wars, with the weaker or both sides inviting in foreign soldier to fight against their brothers. Much the same way the Western Empire fell.

If Rosie Gray really believes that a man of Steve Bannon’s background, skills, and position might actually feel a need to get advice from a guy whose only talents are writing software and posting endless screeds which conclude that we should reinstate monarchy, then the poor little darling has already been trolled for all she’s worth.

That is not nice. Scott should be working on complexity theory and writing a followup to his excellent "Quantum Computing since Democritus" instead of dabbling in The Politics of Panic, where he is definitely out of his depth.

Scott is exactly the same as he was 15 years ago when as a grad student he said he saw absolutely nothing wrong with a command or even entirely centralized economy other than “it would work if people like me were in charge.” He said it without a hint of irony. Completely earnest.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

I thought Unz was merging multiple handles from the same person. Where’s the merge of Nick with TD?

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

Ha ha ha ha. Per CTH:

“The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is now independently, on its own impetus, requesting an internal vote on a full panel en banc hearing to review its own decision.
Additionally, the full ninth are asking the Trump administration to file an additional brief telling the court why the three member original appeals ruling authority was wrong.”

The judge who filed the request for an internal review of the decision turns out to be the Chief Justice of the 9th — ruh roh, somebody’s embarrassed.

Instapundit adds: “Note that even if the court doesn’t go for rehearing, this opens it up for unhappy judges on the 9th who weren’t on the original 3-judge panel to file blistering dissents. Which will be there for the Supreme Court to read if it reviews the panel decision.”

It's the rehearing en banc I had hoped for; there may yet be hope for the avoidance of a constitutional crisis precipitated by a foolish, smug woman (Friedland); a slipping, octogenarian (Canby); and....well, I don't know what in Hell Clifton's excuse is.

The "evidence" that the "intelligence community" publicly released was laughable to anyone (like me) who understands how the internet and hacking work — Moldbug is one of the top coders there is and an ex-hacker who never got caught.

Probably Russians (not necessarily the Russians) did do it, but they covered their tracks well enough it couldn't be proven.

South America has been unable to maintain democratic institutions…There are no nations upon the face of the earth…more miserable than those of South America… The Federal laws undoubtedly constitute the most important part of the legislation of the United States. Mexico, which is not less fortunately situated than the Anglo-American Union, has adopted these same laws, but is unable to accustom itself to the government of democracy. Some other cause is therefore at work, independently of physical circumstances and peculiar laws, which enables the democracy to rule in the United States.

Elena Kagan, an alleged Solomon of our time, may serve as an instructive example of how the cream rises to the top in America’s mandarin age. An obese, unaesthetic spinster, who, as Paul Gottfried has noted, rose to prominence on no significant intellectual achievements or original ideas, (but instead apparently through much political networking), she serves the same function in the American regime that court eunuchs did in Oriental despotisms. Eunuchs, devoid of an identity and posterity of their own, were seen as the perfect loyal functionaries to carry out the will of a centralized bureaucratic tyranny. This is the distillation of “meritocracy,” and the modern total State apparently has plenty of virtual eunuchs to fill out the function in our time — and seems eager to promote many more.

They aren't adverse to anti-democracy at all, or at least those "in the know" aren't. They're anti-democrats themselves. They've been trying to replace democracy--which when they badmouth it is called "politics"--with the Managerial State for over a century. That's the entire point of Progressivism.

Granted, they are of two minds on the subject, to put it mildly. They still need democracy, and are constantly arguing for more of it when it comes to signing up new voters to swamp out their opposition. But of course those voters aren't supposed to change anything. They're just to keep out the other gang out of power. The real decisions continue to be made by putative experts.

This is something everyone is told over and over again, but no one seems to remember.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

You realize that parliamentary districts in the U.K., Canada, Australia, and Germany are like states and lead to the same result often enough? That a party that’s did not win a plurality of the nationwide vote wins a majority of the seats and becomes the governing party? This has happened 3 times each in the past 40 years in each of those countries.

This is true. Judging by the number of counties Trump won over Hillary, and the strong showing of the GOP in Congress, I'd say a Prime Minister Trump would be able to govern with a comfortable majority under the Westminster system.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

Nick, this looks like one of your cut and paste jobs. From where did you crib this?

I was wondering why Justin Raimondo was tweeting someone called Bronze Age Pervert. I have no idea anymore whether the media know the difference between fact and fiction, satiricism and truth. They really are finished, and the cash flow statements don't lie.

“Apparently there’s a big underground movement of right-wing bodybuilders — thousands. Their plan is to surface spectacularly this April, in a choreographed flash demo on the Mall. They’ll be totally nude, but wearing MAGA hats. Goal is to intimidate Congress with pure masculine show of youth, energy. Trump is said to know, will coordinate with powerful EOs…”

Hilarious.

I have no idea anymore whether the media know the difference between fact and fiction, satiricism and truth.

And I have no idea whether my fellow commenters know the difference between satire and satiricism. When in doubt, opt for the shorter word.

I believe J. G. Ballard once wrote a short story about a right-wing bodybuilder movement. It was an European movement though. They took over the southern beaches during summertime or something.

The Assassination of Donald John Trump Considered as a Pose-Off at the National Mall

In the post-Obama era a single gesture such as a reverse curl will have more significance than all the dialogue in Girls. Massive sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and abdominal bloating could be induced within half an hour, aided by the application of suitable testosterone derivatives. Convincing definition required careful preparation, and might involve some three to four hours of spray tan. In the postures the bodybuilders assumed, in the contour of thigh and thorax, Moldbug and Trump explored the geometry and volumetric time of Milo’s chiseled jawline, and later the curvilinear expanse of Steve Bannon’s fascist waistline. A gynecomastia-afflicted young bodybuilder with an advanced quad sweep stood in the brilliant pearl light, his posing trunks bathed in the magnified image of Huma Abedin’s mouth.

Marine Le Pen proposes banning dual citizenship, except for EU countries (even though she wants to leave the EU), and Russia, which is “part of the Europe of nations.” She singles out the US and (at great length) Israel as examples of nationalities she deems non-European and thus incompatible with French citizenship.

I have no idea how this plays in France, and I don’t really care about French dual citizenship laws, but I’m a bit bemused. First off, seriously? Russia is a culture and society that’s especially compatible with French, as opposed to the US, an especially incompatible culture and society? I guess a little anti-Americanism never hurts in a French election, but come on. Russia is more France-like than Norway, (presumably) the UK, Canada, or Switzerland?

And such a loud dog whistle seems peculiar for a leader who’s made such efforts to change the FN’s antisemitic image that she and her father are no longer on speaking terms. (Also, again, if Russia has enough cultural kinship with France than Israel certainly does).

IMO, a more sensible policy would be banning dual citizenship except with countries with 90-day visa-free travel to metropolitan France, plus Russia and the other ex-Soviet states in Europe, which excludes all Islamic countries except wealthy and non-terror-exporting Brunei, all African countries and any other countries likely to send France substantial numbers of low-quality immigrants, but does include the US and Israel.

Also, again, if Russia has enough cultural kinship with France than Israel certainly does

Russia is historically Christian.

MO, a more sensible policy would be banning dual citizenship except with countries with 90-day visa-free travel to metropolitan France, plus Russia and the other ex-Soviet states in Europe, which excludes all Islamic countries except wealthy and non-terror-exporting Brunei, all African countries and any other countries likely to send France substantial numbers of low-quality immigrants, but does include the US and Israel.

Why not ban all dual citizenship? Please explain why dual citizenship is a good idea.

If dual American-Israeli citizenship is OK, why not dual German or Russian or Chinese-American citizenship?

Don't forget France has a long history of conflict with England. I could see them wanting to exclude the Anglosphere.

I don't know why a nationalist would want any dual citizenship, frankly. They've had many wars with their neighbors such as Germany.

As for Russia, I know everyone loves him here, but wonder if Putin has a hand in this--wasn't he giving them money?

I agree with you--France and the USA are a lot closer than France and Russia. (Israel would be pushing it.)

BTW, IHRA's definition of antisemitism seems a bit broad:Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.I don't think they are comparable, but Nazi comparisons are so dime-a-dozen they made an Internet law about them. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.I obviously have no objection to the existence of a State of Israel, but the SJW types often make this argument for a one-state solution where the Jews and Pals would live together and eat milk and honey. I think it's awfully naive, but hardly antisemitic.

The history of French in Imperial Russia is an important but as yet not very thoroughly studied subject. From the age of Louis XIV, French became a language of international communication that increasingly replaced Latin, Europe’s lingua franca in the Middle Ages. It was carried abroad both by the cultural influence of France, which made itself felt in the various European courts that took the court at Versailles as their model, and by the emigration of the Huguenots to other parts of Europe following the revocation of the Edict of Nantes by Louis XIV in 1685. The international standing of French also benefited from the existence of the rich literature produced in it during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries and from the development of a discourse about the supposed universality of the French language, which was most fully articulated by Antoine de Rivarol in a prize-winning essay submitted for a competition organized by the Berlin Academy in 1783.ß
All European countries—albeit in varying degrees—underwent the influence of French culture in the eighteenth or nineteenth centuries. The fact that French was a vehicle for the spread of this culture and the prestige that French had acquired were major factors in this process. Far from being merely a vehicle for what many Europeans considered a cultural invasion, French was a powerful means of negotiation, exchange, and transfer in European space. It pervaded the spheres of diplsomacy, science, learning, art, literature, and other forms of culture (in the comprehensive sense of the word), such as cuisine, leisure pursuits, etiquette, polite conversation, and cultivation of the art of living. It was largely thanks to knowledge of French that certain societies on the margins of Europe were able to gain access to the culture of the Enlightenment. Russia was affected strongly—or even to an exceptional degree, some would argue—by this cultural and influence.

The left is trying hard to find out who’s in charge of this alt-right thing, and they’re flailing around like madmen. They have a powerful psychological need to target someone, demonize him as their chief foe and attack him. We could tell the left that no one’s in charge of the alt-right because it’s a democracy of ideas and thinkers, but they won’t accept it.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

Is this parody? If so, please try to actually be funny.

If not, I recommend “extreme vetting” by a mental-health professional.

He doesn't want to acquire anyone or anything. He is gloriously free and able to yank the leftists chains because he really doesn't give a f*ck.

Leftist are always probing for your vulnerability so they can destroy you. Do you have a job that we can get you fired from? Do you crave respect from your peers? Do you seek an academic appointment? Moldbug laughs in their faces.

He took Thomas Carlyle as one of his models. That guy sure could talk around a subject. Moldbug isn't nearly so good a writer, and hence can't get away with as much circumlocution.

I prefer getting to the point. However, the Rule of Funny applies, as always, and Moldbug is funny so I give him a pass. Plus, he does get to the point eventually, and in fact repeats his favorite points ad nauseam. But that's another fault altogether.

Thing is, Moldbug's style is specially designed to float past the defense mechanisms of those trapped in the contemporary PC mind prison, which to a certain extent is all of us. It grates on me a bit, because I'm already open to the idea of restoring monarchy, for instance, even if I'm not a Jacobite. (I don't think he is, either.) But the site isn't designed for people like me or possible you. It's aimed at progressives, or folks just this side of progressivism.

I don't know how well it works, because I'm not one of them. But I know with them you can't just come out and say, "Western history since the Enlightenment is a sham," or "America is a communist country." They won't accept it; they'll click away or shut their brains down

Since @kantbot2000 is quoted extensively in the article, I thought I'd share what I think is the best bit of video from the 2016 election:

https://youtu.be/iOk6HB609po

Hilarious. I think there’s the distinct possibility that this guy is parodying the Larouche youth. (Assuming he isn’t an actual Larouche youth.) Perhaps Bannon can hire him as a WH outreach to social media. Oh, wait, I guess he’s already hired DJT for that…

I have several books about the bronze age I keep meaning to read and only ever dabble in, including a recent one called The Horse, the Wheel, and Language. I find myself relatively uninterested in history prior to the classical age. But if I can go Nazi-hunting, why not? Can't stop that Fascinatin' Fascism.

Marine Le Pen proposes banning dual citizenship, except for EU countries (even though she wants to leave the EU), and Russia, which is “part of the Europe of nations.” She singles out the US and (at great length) Israel as examples of nationalities she deems non-European and thus incompatible with French citizenship.

I have no idea how this plays in France, and I don't really care about French dual citizenship laws, but I'm a bit bemused. First off, seriously? Russia is a culture and society that's especially compatible with French, as opposed to the US, an especially incompatible culture and society? I guess a little anti-Americanism never hurts in a French election, but come on. Russia is more France-like than Norway, (presumably) the UK, Canada, or Switzerland?

And such a loud dog whistle seems peculiar for a leader who's made such efforts to change the FN's antisemitic image that she and her father are no longer on speaking terms. (Also, again, if Russia has enough cultural kinship with France than Israel certainly does).

IMO, a more sensible policy would be banning dual citizenship except with countries with 90-day visa-free travel to metropolitan France, plus Russia and the other ex-Soviet states in Europe, which excludes all Islamic countries except wealthy and non-terror-exporting Brunei, all African countries and any other countries likely to send France substantial numbers of low-quality immigrants, but does include the US and Israel.

Also, again, if Russia has enough cultural kinship with France than Israel certainly does

Russia is historically Christian.

MO, a more sensible policy would be banning dual citizenship except with countries with 90-day visa-free travel to metropolitan France, plus Russia and the other ex-Soviet states in Europe, which excludes all Islamic countries except wealthy and non-terror-exporting Brunei, all African countries and any other countries likely to send France substantial numbers of low-quality immigrants, but does include the US and Israel.

Why not ban all dual citizenship? Please explain why dual citizenship is a good idea.

If dual American-Israeli citizenship is OK, why not dual German or Russian or Chinese-American citizenship?

The Russians and French were mutually excommunicated from each other's church for 900 years; by the time they reconciled people had stopped going to church in either country. First world vs. ex-commie world is a more meaningful distinction. As I said elsewhere Israel has proportionally more French-speakers, and a far more similar climate, standard of living and (very important to the French) national cuisine.

Please explain why dual citizenship is a good idea.

Because otherwise you're essentially a hostage of your government. It's good to have options, or even the option to have options. Dual citizenship with third-world hellholes is of course a bad idea and ought not to be allowed.

If dual American-Israeli citizenship is OK, why not dual German or Russian or Chinese-American citizenship?

AFAIK, all of those are perfectly legal. I don't see any reason those would be objectionable, except maybe China because the US doesn't have an extradition treaty with them.

Marine Le Pen proposes banning dual citizenship, except for EU countries (even though she wants to leave the EU), and Russia, which is “part of the Europe of nations.” She singles out the US and (at great length) Israel as examples of nationalities she deems non-European and thus incompatible with French citizenship.

I have no idea how this plays in France, and I don't really care about French dual citizenship laws, but I'm a bit bemused. First off, seriously? Russia is a culture and society that's especially compatible with French, as opposed to the US, an especially incompatible culture and society? I guess a little anti-Americanism never hurts in a French election, but come on. Russia is more France-like than Norway, (presumably) the UK, Canada, or Switzerland?

And such a loud dog whistle seems peculiar for a leader who's made such efforts to change the FN's antisemitic image that she and her father are no longer on speaking terms. (Also, again, if Russia has enough cultural kinship with France than Israel certainly does).

IMO, a more sensible policy would be banning dual citizenship except with countries with 90-day visa-free travel to metropolitan France, plus Russia and the other ex-Soviet states in Europe, which excludes all Islamic countries except wealthy and non-terror-exporting Brunei, all African countries and any other countries likely to send France substantial numbers of low-quality immigrants, but does include the US and Israel.

Don’t forget France has a long history of conflict with England. I could see them wanting to exclude the Anglosphere.

I don’t know why a nationalist would want any dual citizenship, frankly. They’ve had many wars with their neighbors such as Germany.

As for Russia, I know everyone loves him here, but wonder if Putin has a hand in this–wasn’t he giving them money?

I agree with you–France and the USA are a lot closer than France and Russia. (Israel would be pushing it.)

BTW, IHRA’s definition of antisemitism seems a bit broad:Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
I don’t think they are comparable, but Nazi comparisons are so dime-a-dozen they made an Internet law about them.Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
I obviously have no objection to the existence of a State of Israel, but the SJW types often make this argument for a one-state solution where the Jews and Pals would live together and eat milk and honey. I think it’s awfully naive, but hardly antisemitic.

Don’t forget France has a long history of conflict with England. I could see them wanting to exclude the Anglosphere.

Of course, the irony is that their obsession with asserting their superiority to the Anglos is très Anglo.

I don’t know why a nationalist would want any dual citizenship, frankly. They’ve had many wars with their neighbors such as Germany.

It's somewhat bittersweet to me, if France is saved but at the same time it becomes less viable as a "backup" country. (Also, I really, really doubt there's going to be another France-Germany war. Not that Le Pen is against dual citizenship with Germany).

As for Russia, I know everyone loves him here, but wonder if Putin has a hand in this–wasn’t he giving them money?

Yeah; they got a €9 million loan from a Kremlin-connected Czech bank. I was going to say that Le Pen consistently sounds among the most Putin-puppety of Western political figures accused of being Putin puppets, but I figured the post was flamebait enough already. (FWIW, before anyone's keyboard melts, I think Le Pen is the best choice even if she were completely compromised by Putin).

Israel would be pushing it.

You're a lot more likely to find someone who speaks French there. And the climate, standard of living and the all-important national cuisine is a lot closer.

BTW, IHRA’s definition of antisemitism seems a bit broad

They're the rear guard fighting a losing battle. When it comes down to it, it's SJW morality or an Israeli right to exist, pick one.

I've sampled Moldbug's writing, and I'd rather not read it either. His meandering prose style makes me go ick. He needs to get straight to the point if he wants to acquire more readers.

He doesn’t want to acquire anyone or anything. He is gloriously free and able to yank the leftists chains because he really doesn’t give a f*ck.

Leftist are always probing for your vulnerability so they can destroy you. Do you have a job that we can get you fired from? Do you crave respect from your peers? Do you seek an academic appointment? Moldbug laughs in their faces.

In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

You realize that parliamentary districts in the U.K., Canada, Australia, and Germany are like states and lead to the same result often enough? That a party that's did not win a plurality of the nationwide vote wins a majority of the seats and becomes the governing party? This has happened 3 times each in the past 40 years in each of those countries.

This is true. Judging by the number of counties Trump won over Hillary, and the strong showing of the GOP in Congress, I’d say a Prime Minister Trump would be able to govern with a comfortable majority under the Westminster system.

It's possible. The Dark Enlightenment had about zero chance of any practical influence on its own, because it is for highbrows and any highbrow who isn't a loser and has any interest in getting ahead socially or career-wise is going to be a good liberal. The alt-right, on the other hand, regular people can get behind. Ifsoever it should merge with the mainstream (it *will* become the mainstream right, mark my words), it's going to need a highbrow version for all the eggheads to justify their continued existence.

Scott is exactly the same as he was 15 years ago when as a grad student he said he saw absolutely nothing wrong with a command or even entirely centralized economy other than "it would work if people like me were in charge." He said it without a hint of irony. Completely earnest.

I ended up with the sense that maybe Boldmug should pick on someone his own size.

In a Politico article on this same topic, it says Moldbug was skeptical of the Russian hacking theory and implies he influenced the White House on this topic.

My first contact with Moldbug was his writing on gold as "John Law."

Who knows what info he's spreading and why!!

The “evidence” that the “intelligence community” publicly released was laughable to anyone (like me) who understands how the internet and hacking work — Moldbug is one of the top coders there is and an ex-hacker who never got caught.

Probably Russians (not necessarily the Russians) did do it, but they covered their tracks well enough it couldn’t be proven.

The left is trying hard to find out who's in charge of this alt-right thing, and they're flailing around like madmen. They have a powerful psychological need to target someone, demonize him as their chief foe and attack him. We could tell the left that no one's in charge of the alt-right because it's a democracy of ideas and thinkers, but they won't accept it.

The left is trying hard to find out who’s in charge of this alt-right thing, and they’re flailing around like madmen.

Why were fascists so popular back in 1996 when don't cry for me Argentina was made? Was it because they had a Democrat in the White House? You know I bet the Schwartz commando of gravity's rainbow would've been very popular during Obama's reign

1996 was the era of Grrl Power! That movie wasn’t made because anyone had an overwhelming desire to represent Argentinean politics on the silver screen.

That is the lowest point in the history of the Crusades, but there are also many high points, like reconquering Jerusalem. I suppose even then, they were a tad too violent once the city fell.

The fall of the Byzantines can mostly be blamed on themselves, as they engaged in constant civil wars, with the weaker or both sides inviting in foreign soldier to fight against their brothers. Much the same way the Western Empire fell.

I've sampled Moldbug's writing, and I'd rather not read it either. His meandering prose style makes me go ick. He needs to get straight to the point if he wants to acquire more readers.

He took Thomas Carlyle as one of his models. That guy sure could talk around a subject. Moldbug isn’t nearly so good a writer, and hence can’t get away with as much circumlocution.

I prefer getting to the point. However, the Rule of Funny applies, as always, and Moldbug is funny so I give him a pass. Plus, he does get to the point eventually, and in fact repeats his favorite points ad nauseam. But that’s another fault altogether.

Thing is, Moldbug’s style is specially designed to float past the defense mechanisms of those trapped in the contemporary PC mind prison, which to a certain extent is all of us. It grates on me a bit, because I’m already open to the idea of restoring monarchy, for instance, even if I’m not a Jacobite. (I don’t think he is, either.) But the site isn’t designed for people like me or possible you. It’s aimed at progressives, or folks just this side of progressivism.

I don’t know how well it works, because I’m not one of them. But I know with them you can’t just come out and say, “Western history since the Enlightenment is a sham,” or “America is a communist country.” They won’t accept it; they’ll click away or shut their brains down

They aren't adverse to anti-democracy at all, or at least those "in the know" aren't. They're anti-democrats themselves. They've been trying to replace democracy--which when they badmouth it is called "politics"--with the Managerial State for over a century. That's the entire point of Progressivism.

Granted, they are of two minds on the subject, to put it mildly. They still need democracy, and are constantly arguing for more of it when it comes to signing up new voters to swamp out their opposition. But of course those voters aren't supposed to change anything. They're just to keep out the other gang out of power. The real decisions continue to be made by putative experts.

This is something everyone is told over and over again, but no one seems to remember.

They still need democracy, and are constantly arguing for more of it when it comes to signing up new voters to swamp out their opposition…

This has been going on ever since the early nineteenth century, when the freehold qualification began to be abandoned. American history shows that the fundamental defect of limited-franchise democracy is that when one faction can’t get its way, it seeks to redefine the franchise to its advantage. Voting is ideally viewed not as a right, nor as a duty, but as a public trust. Yet this truth has been forgotten amidst talk of rights and venting of grievances.

The supposed “right to vote” is legally distinct from the ordinary rights of citizenship. Constitutional lawyers understood this at the time of the Fifteenth Amendment. Had the franchise been among those rights, that Amendment would not have been necessary to enfranchise negroes – the Fourteenth Amendment would have sufficed.

But in fact, the franchise is independent of those ordinary rights, and has been extended in several steps. The first was the severance of the franchise from property ownership. At the time of the Revolution, the franchise in all the colonies was confined to freeholders. Fifty or sixty years later, the property qualification was mostly gone, opening the polls to all white males. This hastened the demise of the Federalist Party and enabled the rise of Andrew Jackson. The ratification of the Fifteenth Amendment, swelling Southern voter rolls with freed blacks, solidified Republican control of the post-bellum Federal government, and permitted the enactment of robust tariffs that had long been sought by Northern industrialists, as well as the looting of the South by Republican carpetbaggers during the so-called Reconstruction.

While the subsequent Redemption effectively disenfranchised Southern blacks, women’s suffrage was the next great expansion of the franchise, and was closely connected with the enactment of liquor prohibition. Then in the ‘sixties, the civil rights movement brought about the re-enfranchisement of blacks, along with leftist attacks, disguised as “civil rights acts,” on rights of free association and private property.

The common thread through all of these enlargements of the franchise has been the aggrandizement of the Federal government’s power and size. At each step, some faction has derived immediate benefit from expanding voter roles by shifting the electoral balance in its favor – but in all cases this has increased the scope and size of government at the expense of liberty.

We are now at the point where there is no class of existing citizens that does not enjoy the franchise, so the effort of one of our current factions has shifted to importing new voters, or indeed enfranchising foreigners illegally present here.

One of the most powerful arguments of the neoreactionaries is to point out that meddling with the franchise is an inherent flaw of democracy. When a faction fails to get what it wants it does not seek to persuade the existing electorate to its point of view – it simply creates enough new voters to do so.

I have always been a believer in “timocracy” – in other words, a relatively broad franchise, but one limited to voters qualified on the basis of property ownership or tax payment, military service, or descent from the country’s founding population. The Venetian Republic had such a government and survived for a thousand years – but in the United States our factions seem to have been unable to resist “dissolving the people and electing another.” The result has been a slow descent into oligarchy. As the vote has been expanded more and more promiscuously, the less it has become worth in practice.

Our laws are made by largely unanswerable bureaucrats to whom our elected representatives, unwilling to do the actual work of a legislature, have delegated the authority. Difficult issues are decided by judges, whom being appointed for life, never have to face voters who are unhappy with their decisions. Congress, for the present, retains the power of levying taxes and appropriating funds, though judges have occasionally arrogated even this authority to themselves. Even a president, as we have seen, can be defeated by judges.

It is only a matter of time before our rois fainéants, like the ancient Merovingians, are at long last dismissed by the modern equivalents of the mayors of the palace – bureaucrats and judges.

Very astute analysis! Another way of padding the voting rolls is to enfranchise people who had previously been disenfranchised by their own actions: felons. Voting is therefore more "fundamental" than walking around without restraints.

Marine Le Pen proposes banning dual citizenship, except for EU countries (even though she wants to leave the EU), and Russia, which is “part of the Europe of nations.” She singles out the US and (at great length) Israel as examples of nationalities she deems non-European and thus incompatible with French citizenship.

I have no idea how this plays in France, and I don't really care about French dual citizenship laws, but I'm a bit bemused. First off, seriously? Russia is a culture and society that's especially compatible with French, as opposed to the US, an especially incompatible culture and society? I guess a little anti-Americanism never hurts in a French election, but come on. Russia is more France-like than Norway, (presumably) the UK, Canada, or Switzerland?

And such a loud dog whistle seems peculiar for a leader who's made such efforts to change the FN's antisemitic image that she and her father are no longer on speaking terms. (Also, again, if Russia has enough cultural kinship with France than Israel certainly does).

IMO, a more sensible policy would be banning dual citizenship except with countries with 90-day visa-free travel to metropolitan France, plus Russia and the other ex-Soviet states in Europe, which excludes all Islamic countries except wealthy and non-terror-exporting Brunei, all African countries and any other countries likely to send France substantial numbers of low-quality immigrants, but does include the US and Israel.

The whole point of Zionism and the modern state of Israel was to divorce Europe after it was decided Emancipation just hadn’t worked out. Israelis shouldn’t even want a European passport.

This sympathetic outsider suspects he's got a good chance of being a big deal sometime in the next 50 years.

It’s possible. The Dark Enlightenment had about zero chance of any practical influence on its own, because it is for highbrows and any highbrow who isn’t a loser and has any interest in getting ahead socially or career-wise is going to be a good liberal. The alt-right, on the other hand, regular people can get behind. Ifsoever it should merge with the mainstream (it *will* become the mainstream right, mark my words), it’s going to need a highbrow version for all the eggheads to justify their continued existence.

Ifsoever it should merge with the mainstream (it *will* become the mainstream right, mark my words),

This is very much up in the air and depends on Trump's successes. Neoconservatism was regnant until Bush Jr. blew the war and dragged us into a financial crisis. A few Trumpian disasters (and remember, we're entering at the top of a business cycles) could easily wreck the ideology with everyone.

Don't forget France has a long history of conflict with England. I could see them wanting to exclude the Anglosphere.

I don't know why a nationalist would want any dual citizenship, frankly. They've had many wars with their neighbors such as Germany.

As for Russia, I know everyone loves him here, but wonder if Putin has a hand in this--wasn't he giving them money?

I agree with you--France and the USA are a lot closer than France and Russia. (Israel would be pushing it.)

BTW, IHRA's definition of antisemitism seems a bit broad:Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.I don't think they are comparable, but Nazi comparisons are so dime-a-dozen they made an Internet law about them. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.I obviously have no objection to the existence of a State of Israel, but the SJW types often make this argument for a one-state solution where the Jews and Pals would live together and eat milk and honey. I think it's awfully naive, but hardly antisemitic.

Don’t forget France has a long history of conflict with England. I could see them wanting to exclude the Anglosphere.

Of course, the irony is that their obsession with asserting their superiority to the Anglos is très Anglo.

I don’t know why a nationalist would want any dual citizenship, frankly. They’ve had many wars with their neighbors such as Germany.

It’s somewhat bittersweet to me, if France is saved but at the same time it becomes less viable as a “backup” country. (Also, I really, really doubt there’s going to be another France-Germany war. Not that Le Pen is against dual citizenship with Germany).

As for Russia, I know everyone loves him here, but wonder if Putin has a hand in this–wasn’t he giving them money?

Yeah; they got a €9 million loan from a Kremlin-connected Czech bank. I was going to say that Le Pen consistently sounds among the most Putin-puppety of Western political figures accused of being Putin puppets, but I figured the post was flamebait enough already. (FWIW, before anyone’s keyboard melts, I think Le Pen is the best choice even if she were completely compromised by Putin).

Israel would be pushing it.

You’re a lot more likely to find someone who speaks French there. And the climate, standard of living and the all-important national cuisine is a lot closer.

BTW, IHRA’s definition of antisemitism seems a bit broad

They’re the rear guard fighting a losing battle. When it comes down to it, it’s SJW morality or an Israeli right to exist, pick one.

Also, again, if Russia has enough cultural kinship with France than Israel certainly does

Russia is historically Christian.

MO, a more sensible policy would be banning dual citizenship except with countries with 90-day visa-free travel to metropolitan France, plus Russia and the other ex-Soviet states in Europe, which excludes all Islamic countries except wealthy and non-terror-exporting Brunei, all African countries and any other countries likely to send France substantial numbers of low-quality immigrants, but does include the US and Israel.

Why not ban all dual citizenship? Please explain why dual citizenship is a good idea.

If dual American-Israeli citizenship is OK, why not dual German or Russian or Chinese-American citizenship?

Russia is historically Christian.

The Russians and French were mutually excommunicated from each other’s church for 900 years; by the time they reconciled people had stopped going to church in either country. First world vs. ex-commie world is a more meaningful distinction. As I said elsewhere Israel has proportionally more French-speakers, and a far more similar climate, standard of living and (very important to the French) national cuisine.

Please explain why dual citizenship is a good idea.

Because otherwise you’re essentially a hostage of your government. It’s good to have options, or even the option to have options. Dual citizenship with third-world hellholes is of course a bad idea and ought not to be allowed.

If dual American-Israeli citizenship is OK, why not dual German or Russian or Chinese-American citizenship?

AFAIK, all of those are perfectly legal. I don’t see any reason those would be objectionable, except maybe China because the US doesn’t have an extradition treaty with them.

Russia is very much in the French cultural sphere; they got their princesses from Germany but their culture from France. Remember Prince Andrei's obsession with Napoleon? And how French phrases pop up seemingly at random in Russian novels (like Latin in Scott)? And after the revolution quite a few Russians went into exile in France, Marina Tsvetaeva for instance (who did some of her own French translation).

Granted that's pre-USSR but you must remember that of the Western countries France (well, Italy too, later) was the one where communists were most successful (a Popular Front gov't in the thirties, a near-takeover after the war, violence on the streets much later).

Here some random woman writes about French in Anna Karenina:http://www.myfrenchlife.org/2012/04/26/anna-karenina-french-in-the-late-19th-century-russian-court/ .

He doesn't want to acquire anyone or anything. He is gloriously free and able to yank the leftists chains because he really doesn't give a f*ck.

Leftist are always probing for your vulnerability so they can destroy you. Do you have a job that we can get you fired from? Do you crave respect from your peers? Do you seek an academic appointment? Moldbug laughs in their faces.

Sure, but remember, he got rich off the Internet before he did all this.

I have to say, given f-you money, as the bankers say, I’d probably do the same thing–try to derive the first principles of the world from scratch, and then write a verbose, snarky blog about it.

Only with more nerd culture references, and probably a few Sailersphere jokes as well.

It's possible. The Dark Enlightenment had about zero chance of any practical influence on its own, because it is for highbrows and any highbrow who isn't a loser and has any interest in getting ahead socially or career-wise is going to be a good liberal. The alt-right, on the other hand, regular people can get behind. Ifsoever it should merge with the mainstream (it *will* become the mainstream right, mark my words), it's going to need a highbrow version for all the eggheads to justify their continued existence.

Ifsoever it should merge with the mainstream (it *will* become the mainstream right, mark my words),

This is very much up in the air and depends on Trump’s successes. Neoconservatism was regnant until Bush Jr. blew the war and dragged us into a financial crisis. A few Trumpian disasters (and remember, we’re entering at the top of a business cycles) could easily wreck the ideology with everyone.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

You are sadly mistaken, and you are foolish. My ancestors were not immigrants; they were pioneers and they took this land by right of conquest and uti possidetis.

You claim to want a war, but I’m not so sure you do; you’ve not even the cajones to meet me at your local coffee-shop and tell me all about how superiour to my race yours is.

You smack of a smug Mexican. If I am right, the last time my people had a war with your people, it went very poorly for yours. Abraham Lincoln once famously asked Winfield Scott, “Why is it that you were once able to take the City of Mexico in three months with five thousand men, and we have been unable to take Richmond with one hundred thousand men?”

“I will tell you,” said General Scott. “The men who took us into the City of Mexico are the same men who are keeping us out of Richmond.”

America is not a “nation of immigrants,” as Howard Sutherland and others have copiously demonstrated.

By 1776, British colonists—mostly English, but with strong Scottish, Welsh, and Irish contingents, along with New York’s Dutch colonials and later German arrivals—had created an American branch of British civilization. At the time of the Declaration of Independence, they were long-settled: almost one hundred and seventy years in Virginia, more than one hundred and fifty in Massachusetts. At great effort—and at the expense of the Indians they uprooted and the African slaves they imported—colonial Americans formed a nation in their own image. The diversity of their settlements reflected the variety of their British origins. David Hackett Fischer’s magisterial Albion’s Seed traces four great British colonial migrations that leave their mark still: Puritans from East Anglia to New England, Cavaliers from the West Country to Virginia, Quakers from the Midlands to the Delaware, and northern Britons, including the Scots-Irish [my people], to Appalachia.

Revolutionary Americans, the U.S.A.’s founders, were fairly homogeneous: eighty per cent of British origin (sixty per cent English, twenty per cent Scottish and Scots-Irish), most of the rest Dutch and German—the great majority American-born. Overwhelmingly Christian, ninety-eight per cent were Protestants. (Not included in these percentages are American Indians, who had no part in the political life of the colonies, and African slaves and freemen, who were largely excluded from political and social life.) These descendants of colonial settlers were American natives, if by America we mean the U.S.A.

Immigrants are people who leave one country, one society, and move to another society. But there has to be a recipient society to which the immigrants move.

[H]ad there been no immigration after 1790, the settlers’ posterity alone—including African slaves’ and freed men’s descendants—would have grown by 1990 to approximately half the size of the actual population, which implies roughly half of Americans still have roots in the founding stock….

I would add that that halved population would leave the U.S.A. not unbearably overpopulated, as it is now.

I will make to you now two predictions:

1) A great wall will be erected to keep your kind out of my nation, and your nation will be compelled to concoct another strategy, besides sending undesirables north, to deal with its dysfunction.

2) Should society and civility continue to deteriorate at the present rate, mestizos will fare far more poorly than white people, for the same reasons that humans thrive without lice, but the opposite is not so.

[H]ad there been no immigration after 1790, the settlers’ posterity alone—including African slaves’ and freed men’s descendants—would have grown by 1990 to approximately half the size of the actual population, which implies roughly half of Americans still have roots in the founding stock….

This is not necessarily true. Lacking competition from immigrants for land and opportunity, the settlers' posterity might have made up the shortfall.

Certainly, there was no need for the influx from south of the border in the last 30 or so years.

The Russians and French were mutually excommunicated from each other's church for 900 years; by the time they reconciled people had stopped going to church in either country. First world vs. ex-commie world is a more meaningful distinction. As I said elsewhere Israel has proportionally more French-speakers, and a far more similar climate, standard of living and (very important to the French) national cuisine.

Please explain why dual citizenship is a good idea.

Because otherwise you're essentially a hostage of your government. It's good to have options, or even the option to have options. Dual citizenship with third-world hellholes is of course a bad idea and ought not to be allowed.

If dual American-Israeli citizenship is OK, why not dual German or Russian or Chinese-American citizenship?

AFAIK, all of those are perfectly legal. I don't see any reason those would be objectionable, except maybe China because the US doesn't have an extradition treaty with them.

Russia is very much in the French cultural sphere; they got their princesses from Germany but their culture from France. Remember Prince Andrei’s obsession with Napoleon? And how French phrases pop up seemingly at random in Russian novels (like Latin in Scott)? And after the revolution quite a few Russians went into exile in France, Marina Tsvetaeva for instance (who did some of her own French translation).

Granted that’s pre-USSR but you must remember that of the Western countries France (well, Italy too, later) was the one where communists were most successful (a Popular Front gov’t in the thirties, a near-takeover after the war, violence on the streets much later).

Russia is very much in the French cultural sphere; they got their princesses from Germany but their culture from France.

France got one of its princesses from Russia at a very early date. Henry I of France, the grandson of Hugh Capet, was married (2nd) to Anna Jaroslavna, the daughter of Jaroslav I, the grand duke of Kiev. Thereby all subsequent French monarchs of the house of Capet (and its cadet branches, Valois and Bourbon) were descendants of Rurik and of St. Vladimir, who Christianised Russia.

"The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is now independently, on its own impetus, requesting an internal vote on a full panel en banc hearing to review its own decision.
Additionally, the full ninth are asking the Trump administration to file an additional brief telling the court why the three member original appeals ruling authority was wrong."

The judge who filed the request for an internal review of the decision turns out to be the Chief Justice of the 9th --- ruh roh, somebody's embarrassed.

Instapundit adds: "Note that even if the court doesn’t go for rehearing, this opens it up for unhappy judges on the 9th who weren’t on the original 3-judge panel to file blistering dissents. Which will be there for the Supreme Court to read if it reviews the panel decision."

It’s the rehearing en banc I had hoped for; there may yet be hope for the avoidance of a constitutional crisis precipitated by a foolish, smug woman (Friedland); a slipping, octogenarian (Canby); and….well, I don’t know what in Hell Clifton’s excuse is.

From the CTH link at https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is now independently, on its own impetus, requesting an internal vote on a full panel en banc hearing to review its own decision.

So it looks like your hope is still alive. It sounds like you are a lawyer. Do you (or any of the other lawyers here) have any thoughts on this page CTH linked?
http://joshblackman.com/blog/2017/02/10/the-failure-of-the-9th-circuit-to-discuss-8-u-s-c-1182f-allowed-it-to-ignore-justice-jacksons-youngstown-framework/

Russia is very much in the French cultural sphere; they got their princesses from Germany but their culture from France. Remember Prince Andrei's obsession with Napoleon? And how French phrases pop up seemingly at random in Russian novels (like Latin in Scott)? And after the revolution quite a few Russians went into exile in France, Marina Tsvetaeva for instance (who did some of her own French translation).

Granted that's pre-USSR but you must remember that of the Western countries France (well, Italy too, later) was the one where communists were most successful (a Popular Front gov't in the thirties, a near-takeover after the war, violence on the streets much later).

Here some random woman writes about French in Anna Karenina:http://www.myfrenchlife.org/2012/04/26/anna-karenina-french-in-the-late-19th-century-russian-court/ .

Agreed. In a world where the Revolution never happened and the Romanovs still held court, there would be a lot more visible French influence on Russian culture. But, that’s not the world we live in.

Russia is very much in the French cultural sphere; they got their princesses from Germany but their culture from France. Remember Prince Andrei's obsession with Napoleon? And how French phrases pop up seemingly at random in Russian novels (like Latin in Scott)? And after the revolution quite a few Russians went into exile in France, Marina Tsvetaeva for instance (who did some of her own French translation).

Granted that's pre-USSR but you must remember that of the Western countries France (well, Italy too, later) was the one where communists were most successful (a Popular Front gov't in the thirties, a near-takeover after the war, violence on the streets much later).

Here some random woman writes about French in Anna Karenina:http://www.myfrenchlife.org/2012/04/26/anna-karenina-french-in-the-late-19th-century-russian-court/ .

Russia is very much in the French cultural sphere; they got their princesses from Germany but their culture from France.

France got one of its princesses from Russia at a very early date. Henry I of France, the grandson of Hugh Capet, was married (2nd) to Anna Jaroslavna, the daughter of Jaroslav I, the grand duke of Kiev. Thereby all subsequent French monarchs of the house of Capet (and its cadet branches, Valois and Bourbon) were descendants of Rurik and of St. Vladimir, who Christianised Russia.

The Russians and French were mutually excommunicated from each other's church for 900 years; by the time they reconciled people had stopped going to church in either country. First world vs. ex-commie world is a more meaningful distinction. As I said elsewhere Israel has proportionally more French-speakers, and a far more similar climate, standard of living and (very important to the French) national cuisine.

Please explain why dual citizenship is a good idea.

Because otherwise you're essentially a hostage of your government. It's good to have options, or even the option to have options. Dual citizenship with third-world hellholes is of course a bad idea and ought not to be allowed.

If dual American-Israeli citizenship is OK, why not dual German or Russian or Chinese-American citizenship?

AFAIK, all of those are perfectly legal. I don't see any reason those would be objectionable, except maybe China because the US doesn't have an extradition treaty with them.

No extradition treaty with Russia either. Still doesn’t really bother me in either case; Russian and Chinese-Americans don’t commit much crime.

Marine Le Pen proposes banning dual citizenship, except for EU countries (even though she wants to leave the EU), and Russia, which is “part of the Europe of nations.” She singles out the US and (at great length) Israel as examples of nationalities she deems non-European and thus incompatible with French citizenship.

I have no idea how this plays in France, and I don't really care about French dual citizenship laws, but I'm a bit bemused. First off, seriously? Russia is a culture and society that's especially compatible with French, as opposed to the US, an especially incompatible culture and society? I guess a little anti-Americanism never hurts in a French election, but come on. Russia is more France-like than Norway, (presumably) the UK, Canada, or Switzerland?

And such a loud dog whistle seems peculiar for a leader who's made such efforts to change the FN's antisemitic image that she and her father are no longer on speaking terms. (Also, again, if Russia has enough cultural kinship with France than Israel certainly does).

IMO, a more sensible policy would be banning dual citizenship except with countries with 90-day visa-free travel to metropolitan France, plus Russia and the other ex-Soviet states in Europe, which excludes all Islamic countries except wealthy and non-terror-exporting Brunei, all African countries and any other countries likely to send France substantial numbers of low-quality immigrants, but does include the US and Israel.

The history of French in Imperial Russia is an important but as yet not very thoroughly studied subject. From the age of Louis XIV, French became a language of international communication that increasingly replaced Latin, Europe’s lingua franca in the Middle Ages. It was carried abroad both by the cultural influence of France, which made itself felt in the various European courts that took the court at Versailles as their model, and by the emigration of the Huguenots to other parts of Europe following the revocation of the Edict of Nantes by Louis XIV in 1685. The international standing of French also benefited from the existence of the rich literature produced in it during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries and from the development of a discourse about the supposed universality of the French language, which was most fully articulated by Antoine de Rivarol in a prize-winning essay submitted for a competition organized by the Berlin Academy in 1783.ß
All European countries—albeit in varying degrees—underwent the influence of French culture in the eighteenth or nineteenth centuries. The fact that French was a vehicle for the spread of this culture and the prestige that French had acquired were major factors in this process. Far from being merely a vehicle for what many Europeans considered a cultural invasion, French was a powerful means of negotiation, exchange, and transfer in European space. It pervaded the spheres of diplsomacy, science, learning, art, literature, and other forms of culture (in the comprehensive sense of the word), such as cuisine, leisure pursuits, etiquette, polite conversation, and cultivation of the art of living. It was largely thanks to knowledge of French that certain societies on the margins of Europe were able to gain access to the culture of the Enlightenment. Russia was affected strongly—or even to an exceptional degree, some would argue—by this cultural and influence.

Russian ballet is sort of the high point of French culture. The premiere by the Ballets Russes of Le Sacre du Printemps by Stravinsky and Nijinsky in Paris on May 29, 1913 is often cited as the apogee of pre-War European culture.

Nah, he's been around a lot longer. And he's way more interested in back-and-forth debating with the Sailer commentariat than TD is. He's very similar to Corvinus but I think Occam's Razor is that they too are different people.

Nick has a more confrontational vibe, though not usually at this level. More verbose and less obviously silly than The Duck. Something must have upset him today.

Corvinus is more like the concern troll, and his delight is to waste the time of people who respond to him and think he might be amenable to reasoned argument (he ain’t, he argues in bad faith). I gave up on him months back, but there are still poor souls who are prepared to wrestle with a pig.

If Rosie Gray really believes that a man of Steve Bannon's background, skills, and position might actually feel a need to get advice from a guy whose only talents are writing software and posting endless screeds which conclude that we should reinstate monarchy, then the poor little darling has already been trolled for all she's worth.

I don’t think that’s the point, which is “Get Bannon By Any Means Necessary”.

Exactly. It's a game of connect the dots to discredit Trump. Trump talks to Bannon and Bannon talks to "Nazis", ergo Trump is a Nazi. It sounds like a stupid "gotcha" game because it is.

She wasn't really interested in Moldbug's ideas, she just wanted to trap him. Reporters are expecting "Nazis" to be drooling toothless fellows so she thinks that it's going to be a piece of cake - she'll get her money quote and achieve journalistic glory. Moldbug talks to Bannon! Dot is connected! She'll join the pantheon with Woodward and Bernstein! Then Moldbug starts to toy with her. He knows exactly what she wants and messes with her head. LOL.

The history of French in Imperial Russia is an important but as yet not very thoroughly studied subject. From the age of Louis XIV, French became a language of international communication that increasingly replaced Latin, Europe’s lingua franca in the Middle Ages. It was carried abroad both by the cultural influence of France, which made itself felt in the various European courts that took the court at Versailles as their model, and by the emigration of the Huguenots to other parts of Europe following the revocation of the Edict of Nantes by Louis XIV in 1685. The international standing of French also benefited from the existence of the rich literature produced in it during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries and from the development of a discourse about the supposed universality of the French language, which was most fully articulated by Antoine de Rivarol in a prize-winning essay submitted for a competition organized by the Berlin Academy in 1783.ß
All European countries—albeit in varying degrees—underwent the influence of French culture in the eighteenth or nineteenth centuries. The fact that French was a vehicle for the spread of this culture and the prestige that French had acquired were major factors in this process. Far from being merely a vehicle for what many Europeans considered a cultural invasion, French was a powerful means of negotiation, exchange, and transfer in European space. It pervaded the spheres of diplsomacy, science, learning, art, literature, and other forms of culture (in the comprehensive sense of the word), such as cuisine, leisure pursuits, etiquette, polite conversation, and cultivation of the art of living. It was largely thanks to knowledge of French that certain societies on the margins of Europe were able to gain access to the culture of the Enlightenment. Russia was affected strongly—or even to an exceptional degree, some would argue—by this cultural and influence.

http://vivliofika.library.duke.edu/article/download/14839/6231

Russian ballet is sort of the high point of French culture. The premiere by the Ballets Russes of Le Sacre du Printemps by Stravinsky and Nijinsky in Paris on May 29, 1913 is often cited as the apogee of pre-War European culture.

You mean the one where the crowd rioted, or at least got rowdy? That reflects poorly on pre-war European culture, at least to those with bad taste who actually like that cacophony and the grotesque movements associated with it.

I don't think that's the point, which is "Get Bannon By Any Means Necessary".

Exactly. It’s a game of connect the dots to discredit Trump. Trump talks to Bannon and Bannon talks to “Nazis”, ergo Trump is a Nazi. It sounds like a stupid “gotcha” game because it is.

She wasn’t really interested in Moldbug’s ideas, she just wanted to trap him. Reporters are expecting “Nazis” to be drooling toothless fellows so she thinks that it’s going to be a piece of cake – she’ll get her money quote and achieve journalistic glory. Moldbug talks to Bannon! Dot is connected! She’ll join the pantheon with Woodward and Bernstein! Then Moldbug starts to toy with her. He knows exactly what she wants and messes with her head. LOL.

I used to know a guy who poasted under the handle “Bronze Age Pervert” (and was often known as “BAP”).

@BronzeAgePerv’s avatar is of a muscular, shirtless man and his account’s biography reads: “Steppe barbarian. Nationalist, Fascist, Nudist Bodybuilder! Purification of world. Revolt of the damned. Destruction of the cities!”

OK, that is DEFINITELY the same guy. Or someone parodying him.

It’s really weird when guys with whom you used to shitpost a decade ago, suddenly turn up in the national political discourse.

Your post is the first which gave me an inkling that BAP actually had a viewable site, which turns out to be both imaginative and amusing.
I wonder how may of us instantly recognised the sword-bearing arm with which he heads his site? The greatest depiction of masculine supremacy ever.
So BAP, unless he just stumbled across it, is not without either education or taste.

I had the exact same reaction Jake. I always assumed the only way for a Phoron to become famous would involve firearms in some way. Who knew all it would take would be Donald Trump becoming President and Hillary Clinton making a speech in Reno about a cartoon frog?

They still need democracy, and are constantly arguing for more of it when it comes to signing up new voters to swamp out their opposition...

This has been going on ever since the early nineteenth century, when the freehold qualification began to be abandoned. American history shows that the fundamental defect of limited-franchise democracy is that when one faction can't get its way, it seeks to redefine the franchise to its advantage. Voting is ideally viewed not as a right, nor as a duty, but as a public trust. Yet this truth has been forgotten amidst talk of rights and venting of grievances.

The supposed "right to vote" is legally distinct from the ordinary rights of citizenship. Constitutional lawyers understood this at the time of the Fifteenth Amendment. Had the franchise been among those rights, that Amendment would not have been necessary to enfranchise negroes - the Fourteenth Amendment would have sufficed.

But in fact, the franchise is independent of those ordinary rights, and has been extended in several steps. The first was the severance of the franchise from property ownership. At the time of the Revolution, the franchise in all the colonies was confined to freeholders. Fifty or sixty years later, the property qualification was mostly gone, opening the polls to all white males. This hastened the demise of the Federalist Party and enabled the rise of Andrew Jackson. The ratification of the Fifteenth Amendment, swelling Southern voter rolls with freed blacks, solidified Republican control of the post-bellum Federal government, and permitted the enactment of robust tariffs that had long been sought by Northern industrialists, as well as the looting of the South by Republican carpetbaggers during the so-called Reconstruction.

While the subsequent Redemption effectively disenfranchised Southern blacks, women's suffrage was the next great expansion of the franchise, and was closely connected with the enactment of liquor prohibition. Then in the 'sixties, the civil rights movement brought about the re-enfranchisement of blacks, along with leftist attacks, disguised as "civil rights acts," on rights of free association and private property.

The common thread through all of these enlargements of the franchise has been the aggrandizement of the Federal government's power and size. At each step, some faction has derived immediate benefit from expanding voter roles by shifting the electoral balance in its favor - but in all cases this has increased the scope and size of government at the expense of liberty.

We are now at the point where there is no class of existing citizens that does not enjoy the franchise, so the effort of one of our current factions has shifted to importing new voters, or indeed enfranchising foreigners illegally present here.

One of the most powerful arguments of the neoreactionaries is to point out that meddling with the franchise is an inherent flaw of democracy. When a faction fails to get what it wants it does not seek to persuade the existing electorate to its point of view - it simply creates enough new voters to do so.

I have always been a believer in "timocracy" - in other words, a relatively broad franchise, but one limited to voters qualified on the basis of property ownership or tax payment, military service, or descent from the country's founding population. The Venetian Republic had such a government and survived for a thousand years - but in the United States our factions seem to have been unable to resist "dissolving the people and electing another." The result has been a slow descent into oligarchy. As the vote has been expanded more and more promiscuously, the less it has become worth in practice.

Our laws are made by largely unanswerable bureaucrats to whom our elected representatives, unwilling to do the actual work of a legislature, have delegated the authority. Difficult issues are decided by judges, whom being appointed for life, never have to face voters who are unhappy with their decisions. Congress, for the present, retains the power of levying taxes and appropriating funds, though judges have occasionally arrogated even this authority to themselves. Even a president, as we have seen, can be defeated by judges.

It is only a matter of time before our rois fainéants, like the ancient Merovingians, are at long last dismissed by the modern equivalents of the mayors of the palace - bureaucrats and judges.

Very astute analysis! Another way of padding the voting rolls is to enfranchise people who had previously been disenfranchised by their own actions: felons. Voting is therefore more “fundamental” than walking around without restraints.

I was wondering why Justin Raimondo was tweeting someone called Bronze Age Pervert. I have no idea anymore whether the media know the difference between fact and fiction, satiricism and truth. They really are finished, and the cash flow statements don't lie.

“Apparently there’s a big underground movement of right-wing bodybuilders — thousands. Their plan is to surface spectacularly this April, in a choreographed flash demo on the Mall. They’ll be totally nude, but wearing MAGA hats. Goal is to intimidate Congress with pure masculine show of youth, energy. Trump is said to know, will coordinate with powerful EOs…”

Hilarious.

It’s all one thing: as many of us have known for a while now, Donald Trump is completing the system of German Idealism.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

“Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants.”

I have several books about the bronze age I keep meaning to read and only ever dabble in, including a recent one called The Horse, the Wheel, and Language. I find myself relatively uninterested in history prior to the classical age. But if I can go Nazi-hunting, why not? Can't stop that Fascinatin' Fascism.

Try reading War Before Civilization: the Myth of the Peaceful Savage (Oxford University Press, 1996) by Lawrence H. Keeley which was also reviewed on Unz.com I think.

Actually, I have read that. Archeology/anthropology or whatever it was isn't my cup of tea, but it was good so far as it went. Too much recounting of competing archeological/anthropological theories, though, about which I don't care. ("Professor X maintained this, whereas professor Y said that, but we now know..." shut up, your professional infights aren't that interesting.)

The first chapter of War in Human Civilization by Israeli historian Azar Gat is also worth reading. (The rest of the book is worth reading as well, but only the first chapter deals with prehistoric warfare.)

Your perfect world, if it existed, would swiftly implode. Those benefits and unpaid pensions don't come from thin air, dude. Its hilarious to imagine a socialism spending other people's money AND with an infinite population to service, to boot!

Venezuela is the perfect example of this fact. HBD and the incredible mismanagement of resources through socialism has led Venezuelan people to know the divine pleasures of hunting stray dogs for meat and dumpster diving for vegetables.

The problem with stupid people is that they do not know they are stupid.

Russian ballet is sort of the high point of French culture. The premiere by the Ballets Russes of Le Sacre du Printemps by Stravinsky and Nijinsky in Paris on May 29, 1913 is often cited as the apogee of pre-War European culture.

Though I don’t think the audience at the premiere showing thought so …

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

“Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised during his campaign.”

If taken literally this is a Pro-Trump statement, except for fanatics who seriously expect him to implement 100% of his program. The public school system didn’t serve you very well, Nick.

If the God Emperor Trump implements even 50% of his promises, I will be happy.

The results so far have been awesome

Now I have to get back to doing the work that Mexican illegal immigrants (despite the fact that they know how to drive, but don't know not to drive when drunk) can't. Fixing complex programs with subtle bugs.

It's the rehearing en banc I had hoped for; there may yet be hope for the avoidance of a constitutional crisis precipitated by a foolish, smug woman (Friedland); a slipping, octogenarian (Canby); and....well, I don't know what in Hell Clifton's excuse is.

As your link to the Josh Blackman blog makes clear, if you go back to Trump's statements on Wednesday about the legal issues, he quotes directly from 8 U.S.C. § 1182(f) , and then follows it up with the assertion that a "a bad high school student would understand this."

Every account I read in the media -- certainly including the Times -- of Trump's statement went out of its way to quote the supposedly inflammatory and reckless "a bad high school student would understand this". But, as short as it is, I didn't see a single quote of the exact passage that Trump was referring to by "this".

And it's obvious why: because, indeed, even a bad high school student would understand the absolutely clear and indeed emphatic meaning of that statute, and the broad scope of powers to which it entitles the President.

The hacks in the media absolutely didn't want the public to see that entire passage quoted. They knew perfectly well that the public would want to know why that statute was ignored.

They didn't want the public to have to choose between what the media was telling it and its lying eyes. Ignorant pigs that they are, the public would go with its lying eyes.

I am a recovering lawyer (I don't maintain a license anymore). Yes, the blog you cite is exactly right; I've written a few times about this myself in other comments.

The federal constitution itself makes no mention of, or delegation of authority regarding, the exclusion or admission of aliens.

The controlling statute is glacially clear and indisputable; there is not a whit of ambiguity to it.

A decent summary of the statute's legislative history, previous presidents' exercises of the authority, and judicial review is available from the Congressional Research Service here. It's of course written with an audience of legislators in mind, who are overwhelmingly lawyers, but I don't think it's too arcane for the typical reader of Steve's blog.

The simple fact is, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals not only disregarded the controlling statute, it:

1. Made up, from whole cloth, a lot of nonsense not present in the constitution (e.g., contra the court's finding, foreigners not within the U.S.A. and therefore not subject to its personal jurisdiction, reciprocally have no standing nor right to due process vis-a-vis their desires to enter the U.S.A.).

2. Invoked the Establishment Clause of the federal constitution (which prohibits the establishment of a religion by the federal government) when it is inapposite. Not only does the executive order in question not single out any person by his religion; even if it did, it is not unconstitutional for such an order to do so in this context. Religious discrimination within the U.S.A. is typically subject to strict scrutiny; i.e., there has to be a compelling governmental interest for applying it and essentially no other means whatsoever of achieving the necessary goal. However, the argument that the order in this context has a disparate impact upon Muslims and is therefore discriminatory is preposterous: every nation on the Earth has some majority, or at least plurality, of its populace which practices a particular religion (or no religion at all), and so any law affecting that nation will necessarily have a disparate impact on adherents of the relevant religious (or irreligious) inclination (likewise with race and...wait for it...national origin). Now, categorisations based upon national origin are also subject to struct scrutiny, but of course to continue applying these precepts of constitutional review to matters of international relations involving foreign nationals is to deprive the government – be it the executive or the legislature – of any authority whatsoever to regulate entry and exclusion.

3. Lastly (though I could go on), the court purports to find a right to due process (i.e., a hearing or trial) for aliens (or, by proxy, the States on their behalf – don't get me started regarding standing!) excluded by the order. This finding implies a right to a hearing or trial for any of some six billion and seven hundred million aliens to sue tomorrow for entry, and demand a day in court should their applications for visas be denied by the federal department of state.

Thus, my previous observation that these three bozos have found the Zeroth Amendment, as articulated by Steve, to be a matter of settled constitutional jurisprudence.

That's a bit more long-winded than I've previously cared to be, but, hey, you asked for a legal analysis. I did simplify it as much as I could, so please no nit-picking from the other lawyers lurking about (though I welcome substantive arguments).

Don't take my word for it, though. No less a leftist, immigrant-hungry fiend than Alan Dershowitz himself was on the radio today arguing that the matter has been decided incorrectly.

The Ninth Circuit has truly gone off the deep end, even for them, and I suspect that is why the chief judge seems to be requesting, sua sponte, a rehearing en banc. Judges hate being overturned on appeal; it is a black mark upon their competence and their egos.

A last note: the three judges who decided the appeal studied law at Yale University, Stanford University, and the University of Minnesota. The fellow who attended the University of Minnesota has an undergraduate degree from Yale University. The chief judge of the ninth circuit obtained an undergraduate degree from Montana State University and studied law at the University of Montana. Anthony Kennedy is the justice assigned to the Ninth Circuit, giving him authority regarding stays, extensions, and many other procedural logistics related to that circuit. Make of these facts what you will.

Nah, he's been around a lot longer. And he's way more interested in back-and-forth debating with the Sailer commentariat than TD is. He's very similar to Corvinus but I think Occam's Razor is that they too are different people.

Yeah but Diaz is merely a Nexus-6 replicant, whereas Corvinus is a Nexus-7.

Both models fail the Voight-Kampff test, the 7s just take longer.

Corvinus is one of the types that believe ancient Egyptians were sub Saharan blacks. I value his contributions as an intelligent dissenter who puts high quality thought into his comments. He is still often incorrect, but he is definitely a Mark V leftist that keeps us honest and nimble.

You are sadly mistaken, and you are foolish. My ancestors were not immigrants; they were pioneers and they took this land by right of conquest and uti possidetis.

You claim to want a war, but I'm not so sure you do; you've not even the cajones to meet me at your local coffee-shop and tell me all about how superiour to my race yours is.

You smack of a smug Mexican. If I am right, the last time my people had a war with your people, it went very poorly for yours. Abraham Lincoln once famously asked Winfield Scott, "Why is it that you were once able to take the City of Mexico in three months with five thousand men, and we have been unable to take Richmond with one hundred thousand men?"

"I will tell you," said General Scott. "The men who took us into the City of Mexico are the same men who are keeping us out of Richmond."

America is not a "nation of immigrants," as Howard Sutherland and others have copiously demonstrated.

By 1776, British colonists—mostly English, but with strong Scottish, Welsh, and Irish contingents, along with New York’s Dutch colonials and later German arrivals—had created an American branch of British civilization. At the time of the Declaration of Independence, they were long-settled: almost one hundred and seventy years in Virginia, more than one hundred and fifty in Massachusetts. At great effort—and at the expense of the Indians they uprooted and the African slaves they imported—colonial Americans formed a nation in their own image. The diversity of their settlements reflected the variety of their British origins. David Hackett Fischer’s magisterial Albion’s Seed traces four great British colonial migrations that leave their mark still: Puritans from East Anglia to New England, Cavaliers from the West Country to Virginia, Quakers from the Midlands to the Delaware, and northern Britons, including the Scots-Irish [my people], to Appalachia.

Revolutionary Americans, the U.S.A.’s founders, were fairly homogeneous: eighty per cent of British origin (sixty per cent English, twenty per cent Scottish and Scots-Irish), most of the rest Dutch and German—the great majority American-born. Overwhelmingly Christian, ninety-eight per cent were Protestants. (Not included in these percentages are American Indians, who had no part in the political life of the colonies, and African slaves and freemen, who were largely excluded from political and social life.) These descendants of colonial settlers were American natives, if by America we mean the U.S.A.

Immigrants are people who leave one country, one society, and move to another society. But there has to be a recipient society to which the immigrants move.

[H]ad there been no immigration after 1790, the settlers’ posterity alone—including African slaves’ and freed men’s descendants—would have grown by 1990 to approximately half the size of the actual population, which implies roughly half of Americans still have roots in the founding stock....

I would add that that halved population would leave the U.S.A. not unbearably overpopulated, as it is now.

I will make to you now two predictions:

1) A great wall will be erected to keep your kind out of my nation, and your nation will be compelled to concoct another strategy, besides sending undesirables north, to deal with its dysfunction.

2) Should society and civility continue to deteriorate at the present rate, mestizos will fare far more poorly than white people, for the same reasons that humans thrive without lice, but the opposite is not so.

[H]ad there been no immigration after 1790, the settlers’ posterity alone—including African slaves’ and freed men’s descendants—would have grown by 1990 to approximately half the size of the actual population, which implies roughly half of Americans still have roots in the founding stock….

This is not necessarily true. Lacking competition from immigrants for land and opportunity, the settlers’ posterity might have made up the shortfall.

Certainly, there was no need for the influx from south of the border in the last 30 or so years.

"Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised during his campaign."

If taken literally this is a Pro-Trump statement, except for fanatics who seriously expect him to implement 100% of his program. The public school system didn't serve you very well, Nick.

If the God Emperor Trump implements even 50% of his promises, I will be happy.

The results so far have been awesome

Now I have to get back to doing the work that Mexican illegal immigrants (despite the fact that they know how to drive, but don’t know not to drive when drunk) can’t. Fixing complex programs with subtle bugs.

Russian ballet is sort of the high point of French culture. The premiere by the Ballets Russes of Le Sacre du Printemps by Stravinsky and Nijinsky in Paris on May 29, 1913 is often cited as the apogee of pre-War European culture.

You mean the one where the crowd rioted, or at least got rowdy? That reflects poorly on pre-war European culture, at least to those with bad taste who actually like that cacophony and the grotesque movements associated with it.

Try reading War Before Civilization: the Myth of the Peaceful Savage (Oxford University Press, 1996) by Lawrence H. Keeley which was also reviewed on Unz.com I think.

Actually, I have read that. Archeology/anthropology or whatever it was isn’t my cup of tea, but it was good so far as it went. Too much recounting of competing archeological/anthropological theories, though, about which I don’t care. (“Professor X maintained this, whereas professor Y said that, but we now know…” shut up, your professional infights aren’t that interesting.)

You realize that parliamentary districts in the U.K., Canada, Australia, and Germany are like states and lead to the same result often enough? That a party that’s did not win a plurality of the nationwide vote wins a majority of the seats and becomes the governing party? This has happened 3 times each in the past 40 years in each of those countries.

I’d try to explain to him how the EC essentially represents mandatory voting (and thus, the popular vote), a concept often favored by the left, but I doubt he’d be able to follow. The EC basically allows states to wield the voting power of the disengaged, under the assumption that if they don’t want others to decide for them, they can bloody well come to the polls.

Please explain why dual citizenship is a good idea.

Because otherwise you’re essentially a hostage of your government. It’s good to have options, or even the option to have options. Dual citizenship with third-world hellholes is of course a bad idea and ought not to be allowed.

Yeah, I think he was asking from society’s POV.

At the time of the Declaration of Independence, they were long-settled

Yep. My earliest American ancestor was here long before there was a USA. The people who can say this are overwhelmingly talking about British lines. I’m more a right of conquest guy, but if you’re going to start slinging pedigrees and traditions (“nation of immigrants”), I’m going to bring this up.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Trump’s presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable . . . Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout

Do you really fail to see how good this would be for us and how bad it would be for you? The more out in the open the hatred the elite has in its shriveled, blackened hearts for American whites, the better.

These "Native Americans," like the Ainu, are actually lost tribes of wandering Bronze Age Aryans.

(it all fits together if you squint a little)

These “Native Americans,” like the Ainu, are actually lost tribes of wandering Bronze Age Aryans.

If we’re being serious for a moment: there are at least three different waves of Native American colonization. Eskimo/Aleut are the latest arrivals, various Dene people are a second wave related to the Ket people in Russia, the rest of the tribes are the first wave. (Although even there the ‘first wave’ might be a mix of different arrivals at different times, we just don’t have the linguistic and genetic resolution to measure it.)

Also there is a good case to be made that some South American tribes are mixed with Polynesian colonists. Thor Heyerdahl wasn’t entirely bonkers.

You realize that parliamentary districts in the U.K., Canada, Australia, and Germany are like states and lead to the same result often enough? That a party that’s did not win a plurality of the nationwide vote wins a majority of the seats and becomes the governing party? This has happened 3 times each in the past 40 years in each of those countries.

I'd try to explain to him how the EC essentially represents mandatory voting (and thus, the popular vote), a concept often favored by the left, but I doubt he'd be able to follow. The EC basically allows states to wield the voting power of the disengaged, under the assumption that if they don't want others to decide for them, they can bloody well come to the polls.

Please explain why dual citizenship is a good idea.

Because otherwise you’re essentially a hostage of your government. It’s good to have options, or even the option to have options. Dual citizenship with third-world hellholes is of course a bad idea and ought not to be allowed.

Yeah, I think he was asking from society's POV.

At the time of the Declaration of Independence, they were long-settled

Yep. My earliest American ancestor was here long before there was a USA. The people who can say this are overwhelmingly talking about British lines. I'm more a right of conquest guy, but if you're going to start slinging pedigrees and traditions ("nation of immigrants"), I'm going to bring this up.

The EC basically allows states to wield the voting power of the disengaged…

"The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is now independently, on its own impetus, requesting an internal vote on a full panel en banc hearing to review its own decision.
Additionally, the full ninth are asking the Trump administration to file an additional brief telling the court why the three member original appeals ruling authority was wrong."

The judge who filed the request for an internal review of the decision turns out to be the Chief Justice of the 9th --- ruh roh, somebody's embarrassed.

Instapundit adds: "Note that even if the court doesn’t go for rehearing, this opens it up for unhappy judges on the 9th who weren’t on the original 3-judge panel to file blistering dissents. Which will be there for the Supreme Court to read if it reviews the panel decision."

All Trump has to do is instruct all consular officials in those countries to stop proccessing visas.
End of story.

Try reading War Before Civilization: the Myth of the Peaceful Savage (Oxford University Press, 1996) by Lawrence H. Keeley which was also reviewed on Unz.com I think.

The first chapter of War in Human Civilization by Israeli historian Azar Gat is also worth reading. (The rest of the book is worth reading as well, but only the first chapter deals with prehistoric warfare.)

The Assassination of Donald John Trump Considered as a Pose-Off at the National Mall

In the post-Obama era a single gesture such as a reverse curl will have more significance than all the dialogue in Girls. Massive sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and abdominal bloating could be induced within half an hour, aided by the application of suitable testosterone derivatives. Convincing definition required careful preparation, and might involve some three to four hours of spray tan. In the postures the bodybuilders assumed, in the contour of thigh and thorax, Moldbug and Trump explored the geometry and volumetric time of Milo's chiseled jawline, and later the curvilinear expanse of Steve Bannon's fascist waistline. A gynecomastia-afflicted young bodybuilder with an advanced quad sweep stood in the brilliant pearl light, his posing trunks bathed in the magnified image of Huma Abedin's mouth.

Tocqueville on HBD:https://medium.com/@CostinAlamariu/was-tocqueville-an-altright-internet-troll-e988de00687d

South America has been unable to maintain democratic institutions…There are no nations upon the face of the earth…more miserable than those of South America… The Federal laws undoubtedly constitute the most important part of the legislation of the United States. Mexico, which is not less fortunately situated than the Anglo-American Union, has adopted these same laws, but is unable to accustom itself to the government of democracy. Some other cause is therefore at work, independently of physical circumstances and peculiar laws, which enables the democracy to rule in the United States.

The same author's piece on eunuchs is also great:https://medium.com/@CostinAlamariu/rule-of-the-global-eunuch-88ef02a3e64c

Elena Kagan, an alleged Solomon of our time, may serve as an instructive example of how the cream rises to the top in America’s mandarin age. An obese, unaesthetic spinster, who, as Paul Gottfried has noted, rose to prominence on no significant intellectual achievements or original ideas, (but instead apparently through much political networking), she serves the same function in the American regime that court eunuchs did in Oriental despotisms. Eunuchs, devoid of an identity and posterity of their own, were seen as the perfect loyal functionaries to carry out the will of a centralized bureaucratic tyranny. This is the distillation of “meritocracy,” and the modern total State apparently has plenty of virtual eunuchs to fill out the function in our time — and seems eager to promote many more.

I used to know a guy who poasted under the handle "Bronze Age Pervert" (and was often known as "BAP").

@BronzeAgePerv’s avatar is of a muscular, shirtless man and his account’s biography reads: “Steppe barbarian. Nationalist, Fascist, Nudist Bodybuilder! Purification of world. Revolt of the damned. Destruction of the cities!”

OK, that is DEFINITELY the same guy. Or someone parodying him.

It's really weird when guys with whom you used to shitpost a decade ago, suddenly turn up in the national political discourse.

Ifsoever it should merge with the mainstream (it *will* become the mainstream right, mark my words),

This is very much up in the air and depends on Trump's successes. Neoconservatism was regnant until Bush Jr. blew the war and dragged us into a financial crisis. A few Trumpian disasters (and remember, we're entering at the top of a business cycles) could easily wreck the ideology with everyone.

A few Trumpian disasters could easily wreck the ideology with everyone.

Assuming anyone understands what the AR or NRx stands for–as it’s been around for something like a day and a half. On the other hand, neo-conservatism has been around for 2-3 generations.

– Jews were already leftwing, Moldbug is wrong (he really doesn’t like Moldbug!), look at role in Russian empire or Europe

– Jews think of whites as their ‘ancient foe’ but don’t think that of Chinese

– USS Liberty was absolutely a purposeful Israeli attack on US ship, only case he knows of repeated day-time ‘accidental’ attacks. Article in Chicago Tribune of retired army guys who saw classified info, and they said they heard transmissions from Israeli airforce being told to attack US ships. They wanted to kill everyone so there’d be no witnesses. Then later lied to say it was an ‘accident’ despite it happening over and over again. 6th Fleet was going to be scrambled, but McNamara ordered not to cuz LBJ ordered not to, because he didn’t want to piss off “the Jews”. What was the purpose of the attack on the Liberty? To pretend it was Egypt attacking and get US on Israel’s side. Likely some general didn’t realize in fog of war how easily Israel was winning and lost his nerve and ordered it, as well as good opportunity to cement American support and finish off residual “Arab” lobby in USG.

– Nixon supporting Israel in ’73 was to get Jewish support for Cold War and tie their support to Vietnam war, etc. You don’t need all the Jews, but you need ‘some of them’.

– White subordination to Jews, can change, it changed over past 100 years, it can change again. Israel will likely ‘push its luck’ and p.o. Trump, see below.

Mentioning the Liberty is a sure marker of an anti-Semite. No one gives a damn about the USS Liberty anymore except for anti-Semites and family members. It was 50 years ago. Only leftists talk about stuff that happened 2 generations ago as if they happened yesterday. The Japs killed hundreds of thousands of our finest boys in a thousand sneak attacks - now Trump goes golfing with their prime minister and Jap cars are best sellers. How many innocent people has the US killed since 1967? Sh8t happens in the fog of war - your own troops get killed by friendly fire, wedding parties are mistaken for terrorist gatherings and bombed, entire cities are vaporized in mushroom clouds in an instant, all kinds of horrors. It's called SNAFU - situation normal - all f&cked up. F&cked up is the normal situation in a war. That's why the best thing is to stay out of them and stay far away from other people's wars. Pray for peace.

You realize that parliamentary districts in the U.K., Canada, Australia, and Germany are like states and lead to the same result often enough? That a party that’s did not win a plurality of the nationwide vote wins a majority of the seats and becomes the governing party? This has happened 3 times each in the past 40 years in each of those countries.

I'd try to explain to him how the EC essentially represents mandatory voting (and thus, the popular vote), a concept often favored by the left, but I doubt he'd be able to follow. The EC basically allows states to wield the voting power of the disengaged, under the assumption that if they don't want others to decide for them, they can bloody well come to the polls.

Please explain why dual citizenship is a good idea.

Because otherwise you’re essentially a hostage of your government. It’s good to have options, or even the option to have options. Dual citizenship with third-world hellholes is of course a bad idea and ought not to be allowed.

Yeah, I think he was asking from society's POV.

At the time of the Declaration of Independence, they were long-settled

Yep. My earliest American ancestor was here long before there was a USA. The people who can say this are overwhelmingly talking about British lines. I'm more a right of conquest guy, but if you're going to start slinging pedigrees and traditions ("nation of immigrants"), I'm going to bring this up.

From the CTH link at https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is now independently, on its own impetus, requesting an internal vote on a full panel en banc hearing to review its own decision.

So it looks like your hope is still alive. It sounds like you are a lawyer. Do you (or any of the other lawyers here) have any thoughts on this page CTH linked?
http://joshblackman.com/blog/2017/02/10/the-failure-of-the-9th-circuit-to-discuss-8-u-s-c-1182f-allowed-it-to-ignore-justice-jacksons-youngstown-framework/

As your link to the Josh Blackman blog makes clear, if you go back to Trump’s statements on Wednesday about the legal issues, he quotes directly from 8 U.S.C. § 1182(f) , and then follows it up with the assertion that a “a bad high school student would understand this.”

Every account I read in the media — certainly including the Times — of Trump’s statement went out of its way to quote the supposedly inflammatory and reckless “a bad high school student would understand this”. But, as short as it is, I didn’t see a single quote of the exact passage that Trump was referring to by “this”.

And it’s obvious why: because, indeed, even a bad high school student would understand the absolutely clear and indeed emphatic meaning of that statute, and the broad scope of powers to which it entitles the President.

The hacks in the media absolutely didn’t want the public to see that entire passage quoted. They knew perfectly well that the public would want to know why that statute was ignored.

They didn’t want the public to have to choose between what the media was telling it and its lying eyes. Ignorant pigs that they are, the public would go with its lying eyes.

I used to know a guy who poasted under the handle "Bronze Age Pervert" (and was often known as "BAP").

@BronzeAgePerv’s avatar is of a muscular, shirtless man and his account’s biography reads: “Steppe barbarian. Nationalist, Fascist, Nudist Bodybuilder! Purification of world. Revolt of the damned. Destruction of the cities!”

OK, that is DEFINITELY the same guy. Or someone parodying him.

It's really weird when guys with whom you used to shitpost a decade ago, suddenly turn up in the national political discourse.

Your post is the first which gave me an inkling that BAP actually had a viewable site, which turns out to be both imaginative and amusing.
I wonder how may of us instantly recognised the sword-bearing arm with which he heads his site? The greatest depiction of masculine supremacy ever.
So BAP, unless he just stumbled across it, is not without either education or taste.

From Teddy Roosevelt’s Unhyphenated America speech before a Knights of Columbus gathering in N.Y. City on October 12, 2015 ( Knights of Columbus — not Anglicans ):

… When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.

…
… The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else. …

… For an American citizen to vote as a German-American, an Irish- American, or an English-American, is to be a traitor to American institutions; and those hyphenated Americans who terrorize American politicians by threats of the foreign vote are engaged in treason to the American Republic.

There some background to this speech. Roosevelt favored American entry into WWI. Roosevelt was not an isolationist. He might have been indicating his disapproval of German-Americans who leaned toward Kaiser Bill.

In his old incarnation, Moldburg called himself a Jacobin who was wishing for the restoration of the royalty. In this sense his critique was like that of the Marxists - he was really good at explaining why things really suck the way that they are, but what he proposed as a replacement was even worse.

But in other places, he seems to shift to more of a corporatist idea - states should be governed the way corporations are governed, with self-perpetuating boards of directors who select their successors. This is not that far from the scheme in the original constitution where only 1/2 of 1 branch of gov. (house) was directly elected. This strikes me as a little more practical than bringing back royalty.

I do love how he trolls the Atlantic reporter. He's really hilarious, truly has a 160 IQ and loves to toy with liberals who are 3 SDs below him the way Mohammed Ali used to toy with lesser boxers .

The Atlantic "story" is based upon this quote
"Moldbug, who does not do interviews and could not be reached for this story, has reportedly opened up a line to the White House, communicating with Bannon and his aides through an intermediary, according to a source. "

The long war(s) of the Japanese from Korea against the indigenous hunter-gatherers of northern Japan (perhaps partly the descendants of the Jomon) probably is a key factor in the distinctive Japanese culture, the formation of the Samurai, Japanese military and feudal traditions, and so on:

“…during the late 8th and early 9th centuries, Emperor Kanmu sought to consolidate and expand his rule in northern Honshū, and sent military campaigns against the Emishi, who resisted the governance of the …imperial court. Emperor Kammu introduced the title of …Shogun, and began to rely on the powerful regional clans to conquer the Emishi. Skilled in mounted combat and archery, …these clan warriors became the Emperor’s preferred tool for putting down rebellions …Though this is the first known use of the “Shogun” title, it was a temporary title…

“…The origin of the Emishi is unknown, but they are believed to have descended from the Jōmon people.

…The first mention of them in literature dates to AD 400,[citation needed] in which they are mentioned as “the hairy people” from the Chinese records.

…They are thought to have been related to the Ainu…

…They developed a unique style of warfare in which horse archery and hit-and-run tactics proved very effective against the slower contemporary Japanese imperial army that mostly relied on heavy infantry. Their livelihood was based on hunting and gathering…

…The first major attempts to subjugate the Emishi in the 8th century were largely unsuccessful. The imperial armies, which were modeled after the mainland Chinese armies, were no match for the guerrilla tactics of the Emishi.

…It was the development of horse archery and the adoption of Emishi tactics by the early Japanese warriors that led to the Emishi defeat.

…they continued to be influential in local politics as subjugated, though powerful, Emishi families created semi-autonomous feudal domains in the north. In the two centuries following the conquest, a few of these domains became regional states that came into conflict with the central government…

…The Mishihase may have been another ethnic group who competed with the ancestors of the Ainu for Hokkaidō…

…773 AD marked the beginning of the Thirty-Eight Years’ War… with the defection of …a high ranking Emishi officer of the Japanese army based in Taga Castle. The Emishi counterattacked along a broad front starting with Momonohu Castle, destroying the garrison there before going on to destroy a number of forts along a defensive line from east to west established painstakingly over the past generation…

…Large Japanese forces were recruited …the largest forces perhaps ten to twenty thousand strong fighting against an Emishi force that numbered at most around three thousand warriors…

…In 776 a huge army of over 20,000 men was sent to attack… but failed to destroy the enemy who then successfully counterattacked their cumbersome foes in the Ōu Mountains…

…The Japanese were in a near panic as they tried to tax and recruit more soldiers…

…In 794, many key …Emishi …became allies of the Japanese. This was a stunning reversal… a very powerful group and were able to attack smaller Emishi groups successfully…

…some ethnic Japanese allied themselves with the Emishi in their wars against the Yamato court….”

From the CTH link at https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-court-now-demands-it-be-protected-from-itself/

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is now independently, on its own impetus, requesting an internal vote on a full panel en banc hearing to review its own decision.

So it looks like your hope is still alive. It sounds like you are a lawyer. Do you (or any of the other lawyers here) have any thoughts on this page CTH linked?
http://joshblackman.com/blog/2017/02/10/the-failure-of-the-9th-circuit-to-discuss-8-u-s-c-1182f-allowed-it-to-ignore-justice-jacksons-youngstown-framework/

I am a recovering lawyer (I don’t maintain a license anymore). Yes, the blog you cite is exactly right; I’ve written a few times about this myself in other comments.

The federal constitution itself makes no mention of, or delegation of authority regarding, the exclusion or admission of aliens.

The controlling statute is glacially clear and indisputable; there is not a whit of ambiguity to it.

A decent summary of the statute’s legislative history, previous presidents’ exercises of the authority, and judicial review is available from the Congressional Research Service here. It’s of course written with an audience of legislators in mind, who are overwhelmingly lawyers, but I don’t think it’s too arcane for the typical reader of Steve’s blog.

The simple fact is, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals not only disregarded the controlling statute, it:

1. Made up, from whole cloth, a lot of nonsense not present in the constitution (e.g., contra the court’s finding, foreigners not within the U.S.A. and therefore not subject to its personal jurisdiction, reciprocally have no standing nor right to due process vis-a-vis their desires to enter the U.S.A.).

2. Invoked the Establishment Clause of the federal constitution (which prohibits the establishment of a religion by the federal government) when it is inapposite. Not only does the executive order in question not single out any person by his religion; even if it did, it is not unconstitutional for such an order to do so in this context. Religious discrimination within the U.S.A. is typically subject to strict scrutiny; i.e., there has to be a compelling governmental interest for applying it and essentially no other means whatsoever of achieving the necessary goal. However, the argument that the order in this context has a disparate impact upon Muslims and is therefore discriminatory is preposterous: every nation on the Earth has some majority, or at least plurality, of its populace which practices a particular religion (or no religion at all), and so any law affecting that nation will necessarily have a disparate impact on adherents of the relevant religious (or irreligious) inclination (likewise with race and…wait for it…national origin). Now, categorisations based upon national origin are also subject to struct scrutiny, but of course to continue applying these precepts of constitutional review to matters of international relations involving foreign nationals is to deprive the government – be it the executive or the legislature – of any authority whatsoever to regulate entry and exclusion.

3. Lastly (though I could go on), the court purports to find a right to due process (i.e., a hearing or trial) for aliens (or, by proxy, the States on their behalf – don’t get me started regarding standing!) excluded by the order. This finding implies a right to a hearing or trial for any of some six billion and seven hundred million aliens to sue tomorrow for entry, and demand a day in court should their applications for visas be denied by the federal department of state.

Thus, my previous observation that these three bozos have found the Zeroth Amendment, as articulated by Steve, to be a matter of settled constitutional jurisprudence.

That’s a bit more long-winded than I’ve previously cared to be, but, hey, you asked for a legal analysis. I did simplify it as much as I could, so please no nit-picking from the other lawyers lurking about (though I welcome substantive arguments).

Don’t take my word for it, though. No less a leftist, immigrant-hungry fiend than Alan Dershowitz himself was on the radio today arguing that the matter has been decided incorrectly.

The Ninth Circuit has truly gone off the deep end, even for them, and I suspect that is why the chief judge seems to be requesting, sua sponte, a rehearing en banc. Judges hate being overturned on appeal; it is a black mark upon their competence and their egos.

A last note: the three judges who decided the appeal studied law at Yale University, Stanford University, and the University of Minnesota. The fellow who attended the University of Minnesota has an undergraduate degree from Yale University. The chief judge of the ninth circuit obtained an undergraduate degree from Montana State University and studied law at the University of Montana. Anthony Kennedy is the justice assigned to the Ninth Circuit, giving him authority regarding stays, extensions, and many other procedural logistics related to that circuit. Make of these facts what you will.

Thanks for your detailed response! Especially interesting to see the backgrounds of the judges involved. And thanks to candid_observer for his response as well. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I wonder how the messaging will work if we get some examples of "Trump is an idiot! Oops, maybe Trump was right after all." playing out?

Please get into standing. Why wouldn't a state or university or employer have standing to challenge religious descrimination against its students or employees that results in harm to the university or employer by preventing their enrollment or continued employment?

I used to know a guy who poasted under the handle "Bronze Age Pervert" (and was often known as "BAP").

@BronzeAgePerv’s avatar is of a muscular, shirtless man and his account’s biography reads: “Steppe barbarian. Nationalist, Fascist, Nudist Bodybuilder! Purification of world. Revolt of the damned. Destruction of the cities!”

OK, that is DEFINITELY the same guy. Or someone parodying him.

It's really weird when guys with whom you used to shitpost a decade ago, suddenly turn up in the national political discourse.

In all my years of reading Sailer, Roissy/Heartiste, Unqualified Reservations, GNXP, and Half Sigma, I never thought I’d have to explain to my mother what the alt-right was.

Your post is the first which gave me an inkling that BAP actually had a viewable site, which turns out to be both imaginative and amusing.
I wonder how may of us instantly recognised the sword-bearing arm with which he heads his site? The greatest depiction of masculine supremacy ever.
So BAP, unless he just stumbled across it, is not without either education or taste.

Perhaps you're letting BAP's proclivities influence you.Breker could do good work (his busts of famous or rich clients are usually superb), but he was no Cellini.Perhaps I too am letting BAP's proclivities get to me in seeing his use of Perseus with the head of Medusa as an unintended expression of his clear but unspoken misogyny.

– Jews were already leftwing, Moldbug is wrong (he really doesn’t like Moldbug!), look at role in Russian empire or Europe

– Jews think of whites as their ‘ancient foe’ but don’t think that of Chinese

– USS Liberty was absolutely a purposeful Israeli attack on US ship, only case he knows of repeated day-time ‘accidental’ attacks. Article in Chicago Tribune of retired army guys who saw classified info, and they said they heard transmissions from Israeli airforce being told to attack US ships. They wanted to kill everyone so there’d be no witnesses. Then later lied to say it was an ‘accident’ despite it happening over and over again. 6th Fleet was going to be scrambled, but McNamara ordered not to cuz LBJ ordered not to, because he didn’t want to piss off “the Jews”. What was the purpose of the attack on the Liberty? To pretend it was Egypt attacking and get US on Israel’s side. Likely some general didn’t realize in fog of war how easily Israel was winning and lost his nerve and ordered it, as well as good opportunity to cement American support and finish off residual “Arab” lobby in USG.

– Nixon supporting Israel in ’73 was to get Jewish support for Cold War and tie their support to Vietnam war, etc. You don’t need all the Jews, but you need ‘some of them’.

– White subordination to Jews, can change, it changed over past 100 years, it can change again. Israel will likely ‘push its luck’ and p.o. Trump, see below.

I know nothing concrete. He's on twitter as @kantbot2000. Somewhere along the line I picked up that he's a University of Chicago grad--although I may just be projecting my fondness for UC onto him. Two of his comrades also appear in the video (I've gathered that they tweet as @ALLCAPSBRO and @380kmh). He traveled in Japan recently. Around New Year's, he tweeted pictures of his girlfriend's parents' library, from which I gather that they're academics. I haven't doxxed him any further.

I like this so much, I think, because it reminds me of the intellectual high jinks of my youth: Monty Python, P.D.Q. Bach, AD&D, a regular trivia phone-in competition on public radio (WVXU, I think), time-sharing on the big mainframe computer at the university downtown, etc.

WVXU?! There are some call letters I haven’t thought of in a long time. Cincinnati is one of the many places I have lived.

Yes, Moldbug is in very fine form on that comment thread on Scott Aaronson's blog (posting as "Boldmug"). He even trash-talks the host and the other commenters for not laying a glove on him. It's hilarious how they can only ineffectually misrepresent him in order to look like they are scoring any points. There are very few writers about whom, when I hear of a concerted attack by the Hive against them, I think "he doesn't need my advice, he can take care of himself just fine", but Moldbug is one of them. Heartiste is another.

Perhaps you’re letting BAP’s proclivities influence you.
Breker could do good work (his busts of famous or rich clients are usually superb), but he was no Cellini.
Perhaps I too am letting BAP’s proclivities get to me in seeing his use of Perseus with the head of Medusa as an unintended expression of his clear but unspoken misogyny.

Marine Le Pen proposes banning dual citizenship, except for EU countries (even though she wants to leave the EU), and Russia, which is “part of the Europe of nations.” She singles out the US and (at great length) Israel as examples of nationalities she deems non-European and thus incompatible with French citizenship.

I have no idea how this plays in France, and I don't really care about French dual citizenship laws, but I'm a bit bemused. First off, seriously? Russia is a culture and society that's especially compatible with French, as opposed to the US, an especially incompatible culture and society? I guess a little anti-Americanism never hurts in a French election, but come on. Russia is more France-like than Norway, (presumably) the UK, Canada, or Switzerland?

And such a loud dog whistle seems peculiar for a leader who's made such efforts to change the FN's antisemitic image that she and her father are no longer on speaking terms. (Also, again, if Russia has enough cultural kinship with France than Israel certainly does).

IMO, a more sensible policy would be banning dual citizenship except with countries with 90-day visa-free travel to metropolitan France, plus Russia and the other ex-Soviet states in Europe, which excludes all Islamic countries except wealthy and non-terror-exporting Brunei, all African countries and any other countries likely to send France substantial numbers of low-quality immigrants, but does include the US and Israel.

i’d ban dual nationality on principle

Jews don’t need a passport to go to Israel so they’re covered anyway – it’s only the paranoia that makes them want a passport to everywhere

The left is trying hard to find out who's in charge of this alt-right thing, and they're flailing around like madmen. They have a powerful psychological need to target someone, demonize him as their chief foe and attack him. We could tell the left that no one's in charge of the alt-right because it's a democracy of ideas and thinkers, but they won't accept it.

They have a powerful psychological need to target someone, demonize him as their chief foe and attack him.

ironically it’s the media/Left themselves who are effectively in charge of the alt-right – or at least the creators – so they should demonize and attack themselves

I am a recovering lawyer (I don't maintain a license anymore). Yes, the blog you cite is exactly right; I've written a few times about this myself in other comments.

The federal constitution itself makes no mention of, or delegation of authority regarding, the exclusion or admission of aliens.

The controlling statute is glacially clear and indisputable; there is not a whit of ambiguity to it.

A decent summary of the statute's legislative history, previous presidents' exercises of the authority, and judicial review is available from the Congressional Research Service here. It's of course written with an audience of legislators in mind, who are overwhelmingly lawyers, but I don't think it's too arcane for the typical reader of Steve's blog.

The simple fact is, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals not only disregarded the controlling statute, it:

1. Made up, from whole cloth, a lot of nonsense not present in the constitution (e.g., contra the court's finding, foreigners not within the U.S.A. and therefore not subject to its personal jurisdiction, reciprocally have no standing nor right to due process vis-a-vis their desires to enter the U.S.A.).

2. Invoked the Establishment Clause of the federal constitution (which prohibits the establishment of a religion by the federal government) when it is inapposite. Not only does the executive order in question not single out any person by his religion; even if it did, it is not unconstitutional for such an order to do so in this context. Religious discrimination within the U.S.A. is typically subject to strict scrutiny; i.e., there has to be a compelling governmental interest for applying it and essentially no other means whatsoever of achieving the necessary goal. However, the argument that the order in this context has a disparate impact upon Muslims and is therefore discriminatory is preposterous: every nation on the Earth has some majority, or at least plurality, of its populace which practices a particular religion (or no religion at all), and so any law affecting that nation will necessarily have a disparate impact on adherents of the relevant religious (or irreligious) inclination (likewise with race and...wait for it...national origin). Now, categorisations based upon national origin are also subject to struct scrutiny, but of course to continue applying these precepts of constitutional review to matters of international relations involving foreign nationals is to deprive the government – be it the executive or the legislature – of any authority whatsoever to regulate entry and exclusion.

3. Lastly (though I could go on), the court purports to find a right to due process (i.e., a hearing or trial) for aliens (or, by proxy, the States on their behalf – don't get me started regarding standing!) excluded by the order. This finding implies a right to a hearing or trial for any of some six billion and seven hundred million aliens to sue tomorrow for entry, and demand a day in court should their applications for visas be denied by the federal department of state.

Thus, my previous observation that these three bozos have found the Zeroth Amendment, as articulated by Steve, to be a matter of settled constitutional jurisprudence.

That's a bit more long-winded than I've previously cared to be, but, hey, you asked for a legal analysis. I did simplify it as much as I could, so please no nit-picking from the other lawyers lurking about (though I welcome substantive arguments).

Don't take my word for it, though. No less a leftist, immigrant-hungry fiend than Alan Dershowitz himself was on the radio today arguing that the matter has been decided incorrectly.

The Ninth Circuit has truly gone off the deep end, even for them, and I suspect that is why the chief judge seems to be requesting, sua sponte, a rehearing en banc. Judges hate being overturned on appeal; it is a black mark upon their competence and their egos.

A last note: the three judges who decided the appeal studied law at Yale University, Stanford University, and the University of Minnesota. The fellow who attended the University of Minnesota has an undergraduate degree from Yale University. The chief judge of the ninth circuit obtained an undergraduate degree from Montana State University and studied law at the University of Montana. Anthony Kennedy is the justice assigned to the Ninth Circuit, giving him authority regarding stays, extensions, and many other procedural logistics related to that circuit. Make of these facts what you will.

yes – it’s beyond egregious and even though the media don’t care some people in the judiciary will – even in California

I keep waiting for SNL to do a takeoff on that 80s movie “Cruising” about the cop infiltrating gay leather bars to capture a serial killer. Instead, have some goodthinking SWPL reporter given the assignment to infiltrate the ALTRIGHT. He starts attending gyms full of rightwing guys in leather, and he eventually goes native: lifting weights, trolling his editor with anti-Semitic pepes, going out with his bros to practice picking up women, getting one of those stupid Richard Spencer Hitler youth haircuts from a barber with a picture of Evola on the wall...

I have my hair cut extremely short at the moment – it’s scarcely more than a layer of fuzz on the top of my head.

(I have no bald patches, knock on wood. The men on both sides of my family tend to be hirsute.)

The last time I had it cut, right before the election, some snot-nosed little punk stopped me on the street and quipped, “Well, I guess you’re voting for Trump.”

I’m not a skinhead … honestly, I’m not. But I do like my hair short.

Unlike most guys these days, I also like my face clean-shaven. (This is a lifelong preference.) But I don’t wax.

From Teddy Roosevelt's Unhyphenated America speech before a Knights of Columbus gathering in N.Y. City on October 12, 2015 ( Knights of Columbus -- not Anglicans ):

... When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.

...... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else. ...

... For an American citizen to vote as a German-American, an Irish- American, or an English-American, is to be a traitor to American institutions; and those hyphenated Americans who terrorize American politicians by threats of the foreign vote are engaged in treason to the American Republic.

There some background to this speech. Roosevelt favored American entry into WWI. Roosevelt was not an isolationist. He might have been indicating his disapproval of German-Americans who leaned toward Kaiser Bill.

Not really, because when they came the political and territorial entity knows as the “United States of America” did not exist. Therefore, they technically did not “invade” or enter illegaly the U.S.A., and therefore laws of immigration and deportation simply do not apply to them. Quite the opposite, the invaders were the English settlers who came and took the land that belonged to them. America was built on theft.

Damn, it is so easy to prove you guys wrong. The worst part is that you think you’re being clever with these pseudo-sarcastic comments.

By your exact lights, the first 170 years of Anglo immigrants were just settlers too, then. Contradicting yourself is getting to be a habit over there. Now, thief? Heal thyself. Preferably back in your own country.

I am a recovering lawyer (I don't maintain a license anymore). Yes, the blog you cite is exactly right; I've written a few times about this myself in other comments.

The federal constitution itself makes no mention of, or delegation of authority regarding, the exclusion or admission of aliens.

The controlling statute is glacially clear and indisputable; there is not a whit of ambiguity to it.

A decent summary of the statute's legislative history, previous presidents' exercises of the authority, and judicial review is available from the Congressional Research Service here. It's of course written with an audience of legislators in mind, who are overwhelmingly lawyers, but I don't think it's too arcane for the typical reader of Steve's blog.

The simple fact is, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals not only disregarded the controlling statute, it:

1. Made up, from whole cloth, a lot of nonsense not present in the constitution (e.g., contra the court's finding, foreigners not within the U.S.A. and therefore not subject to its personal jurisdiction, reciprocally have no standing nor right to due process vis-a-vis their desires to enter the U.S.A.).

2. Invoked the Establishment Clause of the federal constitution (which prohibits the establishment of a religion by the federal government) when it is inapposite. Not only does the executive order in question not single out any person by his religion; even if it did, it is not unconstitutional for such an order to do so in this context. Religious discrimination within the U.S.A. is typically subject to strict scrutiny; i.e., there has to be a compelling governmental interest for applying it and essentially no other means whatsoever of achieving the necessary goal. However, the argument that the order in this context has a disparate impact upon Muslims and is therefore discriminatory is preposterous: every nation on the Earth has some majority, or at least plurality, of its populace which practices a particular religion (or no religion at all), and so any law affecting that nation will necessarily have a disparate impact on adherents of the relevant religious (or irreligious) inclination (likewise with race and...wait for it...national origin). Now, categorisations based upon national origin are also subject to struct scrutiny, but of course to continue applying these precepts of constitutional review to matters of international relations involving foreign nationals is to deprive the government – be it the executive or the legislature – of any authority whatsoever to regulate entry and exclusion.

3. Lastly (though I could go on), the court purports to find a right to due process (i.e., a hearing or trial) for aliens (or, by proxy, the States on their behalf – don't get me started regarding standing!) excluded by the order. This finding implies a right to a hearing or trial for any of some six billion and seven hundred million aliens to sue tomorrow for entry, and demand a day in court should their applications for visas be denied by the federal department of state.

Thus, my previous observation that these three bozos have found the Zeroth Amendment, as articulated by Steve, to be a matter of settled constitutional jurisprudence.

That's a bit more long-winded than I've previously cared to be, but, hey, you asked for a legal analysis. I did simplify it as much as I could, so please no nit-picking from the other lawyers lurking about (though I welcome substantive arguments).

Don't take my word for it, though. No less a leftist, immigrant-hungry fiend than Alan Dershowitz himself was on the radio today arguing that the matter has been decided incorrectly.

The Ninth Circuit has truly gone off the deep end, even for them, and I suspect that is why the chief judge seems to be requesting, sua sponte, a rehearing en banc. Judges hate being overturned on appeal; it is a black mark upon their competence and their egos.

A last note: the three judges who decided the appeal studied law at Yale University, Stanford University, and the University of Minnesota. The fellow who attended the University of Minnesota has an undergraduate degree from Yale University. The chief judge of the ninth circuit obtained an undergraduate degree from Montana State University and studied law at the University of Montana. Anthony Kennedy is the justice assigned to the Ninth Circuit, giving him authority regarding stays, extensions, and many other procedural logistics related to that circuit. Make of these facts what you will.

Thanks for your detailed response! Especially interesting to see the backgrounds of the judges involved. And thanks to candid_observer for his response as well. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I wonder how the messaging will work if we get some examples of “Trump is an idiot! Oops, maybe Trump was right after all.” playing out?

I used to know a guy who poasted under the handle "Bronze Age Pervert" (and was often known as "BAP").

@BronzeAgePerv’s avatar is of a muscular, shirtless man and his account’s biography reads: “Steppe barbarian. Nationalist, Fascist, Nudist Bodybuilder! Purification of world. Revolt of the damned. Destruction of the cities!”

OK, that is DEFINITELY the same guy. Or someone parodying him.

It's really weird when guys with whom you used to shitpost a decade ago, suddenly turn up in the national political discourse.

I had the exact same reaction Jake. I always assumed the only way for a Phoron to become famous would involve firearms in some way. Who knew all it would take would be Donald Trump becoming President and Hillary Clinton making a speech in Reno about a cartoon frog?

I had the exact same reaction Jake. I always assumed the only way for a Phoron to become famous would involve firearms in some way. Who knew all it would take would be Donald Trump becoming President and Hillary Clinton making a speech in Reno about a cartoon frog?

Pepe has indeed superseded Hambone, in the twilight struggle against National Cuckoldry.

I am a recovering lawyer (I don't maintain a license anymore). Yes, the blog you cite is exactly right; I've written a few times about this myself in other comments.

The federal constitution itself makes no mention of, or delegation of authority regarding, the exclusion or admission of aliens.

The controlling statute is glacially clear and indisputable; there is not a whit of ambiguity to it.

A decent summary of the statute's legislative history, previous presidents' exercises of the authority, and judicial review is available from the Congressional Research Service here. It's of course written with an audience of legislators in mind, who are overwhelmingly lawyers, but I don't think it's too arcane for the typical reader of Steve's blog.

The simple fact is, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals not only disregarded the controlling statute, it:

1. Made up, from whole cloth, a lot of nonsense not present in the constitution (e.g., contra the court's finding, foreigners not within the U.S.A. and therefore not subject to its personal jurisdiction, reciprocally have no standing nor right to due process vis-a-vis their desires to enter the U.S.A.).

2. Invoked the Establishment Clause of the federal constitution (which prohibits the establishment of a religion by the federal government) when it is inapposite. Not only does the executive order in question not single out any person by his religion; even if it did, it is not unconstitutional for such an order to do so in this context. Religious discrimination within the U.S.A. is typically subject to strict scrutiny; i.e., there has to be a compelling governmental interest for applying it and essentially no other means whatsoever of achieving the necessary goal. However, the argument that the order in this context has a disparate impact upon Muslims and is therefore discriminatory is preposterous: every nation on the Earth has some majority, or at least plurality, of its populace which practices a particular religion (or no religion at all), and so any law affecting that nation will necessarily have a disparate impact on adherents of the relevant religious (or irreligious) inclination (likewise with race and...wait for it...national origin). Now, categorisations based upon national origin are also subject to struct scrutiny, but of course to continue applying these precepts of constitutional review to matters of international relations involving foreign nationals is to deprive the government – be it the executive or the legislature – of any authority whatsoever to regulate entry and exclusion.

3. Lastly (though I could go on), the court purports to find a right to due process (i.e., a hearing or trial) for aliens (or, by proxy, the States on their behalf – don't get me started regarding standing!) excluded by the order. This finding implies a right to a hearing or trial for any of some six billion and seven hundred million aliens to sue tomorrow for entry, and demand a day in court should their applications for visas be denied by the federal department of state.

Thus, my previous observation that these three bozos have found the Zeroth Amendment, as articulated by Steve, to be a matter of settled constitutional jurisprudence.

That's a bit more long-winded than I've previously cared to be, but, hey, you asked for a legal analysis. I did simplify it as much as I could, so please no nit-picking from the other lawyers lurking about (though I welcome substantive arguments).

Don't take my word for it, though. No less a leftist, immigrant-hungry fiend than Alan Dershowitz himself was on the radio today arguing that the matter has been decided incorrectly.

The Ninth Circuit has truly gone off the deep end, even for them, and I suspect that is why the chief judge seems to be requesting, sua sponte, a rehearing en banc. Judges hate being overturned on appeal; it is a black mark upon their competence and their egos.

A last note: the three judges who decided the appeal studied law at Yale University, Stanford University, and the University of Minnesota. The fellow who attended the University of Minnesota has an undergraduate degree from Yale University. The chief judge of the ninth circuit obtained an undergraduate degree from Montana State University and studied law at the University of Montana. Anthony Kennedy is the justice assigned to the Ninth Circuit, giving him authority regarding stays, extensions, and many other procedural logistics related to that circuit. Make of these facts what you will.

Please get into standing. Why wouldn’t a state or university or employer have standing to challenge religious descrimination against its students or employees that results in harm to the university or employer by preventing their enrollment or continued employment?

I, for one, have always heeded Teddy's advice to "Walk softly and carry a big shtick."

Within the bounds of decency, I can assure you that while I do make a reasonable effort to maintain a decent level of personal hygiene, I do not wax any portion of my anatomy. I do not engage in "manscaping" or any other metrosexual practices.

I do keep my nails short. But I don't file them - watching my grandmother file her nails always gave me the creeps.

When I was a child, I used to imagine that my fingers were a nuclear family. The middle finger was the father; the next longest fingers were the mother, the older brother, and the younger sister, respectively. Evidently this was my attempt to create the stable home environment that my mother (think Mommie Dearest played by Kathy Bates) never provided for me. They would go on wacky adventures.

I also contorted my hands into various shapes to simulate cars and planes. Invariably these cars and planes would crash and go kablooey. Evidently this was an expression of ... a morbid, worrisome fascination with death and destruction? (I've always enjoyed reading about disasters. Some true-crime stuff, as well.)

Apparently my teacher told my mother that I was waving my hands around and making kablooey noises. (She thought it was random weirdness - she didn't realize that I was crafting intricate plotlines. The planes were being hijacked and heroic Dolph Lundgren types were trying to stop the bad guys.) This led to psychiatric intervention. Amazingly, I never got put on Ritalin.

But anyway...

I have given some thought to braiding my nose hair. I'll let you know if I go ahead and do it.

I did answer your question, but evidently my reply was memory-holed by Komment Kontrol.

So, my dear David, you shall never know. If we choose to set you free when we have finished with you, and if you live to be ninety years old, still you will never learn the answer to that question. As long as you live, it will be an unsolved riddle in your mind.

But what is your point? You do realize that Benvenuto Cellini lived before Arno Breker, and that Breker probably knew a little about European art history and emulated great works of the past, don’t you? Are we supposed to congratulate you for your art history sagacity?

Or are you tiresomely trying to smear Trump by invoking Nazis in a contemporary magazine’s caricature of Trump?

Unlike most guys these days, I also like my face clean-shaven. (This is a lifelong preference.) But I don’t wax.

You don't wax what? Your face?

Ah, I see.

I, for one, have always heeded Teddy’s advice to “Walk softly and carry a big shtick.”

Within the bounds of decency, I can assure you that while I do make a reasonable effort to maintain a decent level of personal hygiene, I do not wax any portion of my anatomy. I do not engage in “manscaping” or any other metrosexual practices.

I do keep my nails short. But I don’t file them – watching my grandmother file her nails always gave me the creeps.

When I was a child, I used to imagine that my fingers were a nuclear family. The middle finger was the father; the next longest fingers were the mother, the older brother, and the younger sister, respectively. Evidently this was my attempt to create the stable home environment that my mother (think Mommie Dearest played by Kathy Bates) never provided for me. They would go on wacky adventures.

I also contorted my hands into various shapes to simulate cars and planes. Invariably these cars and planes would crash and go kablooey. Evidently this was an expression of … a morbid, worrisome fascination with death and destruction? (I’ve always enjoyed reading about disasters. Some true-crime stuff, as well.)

Apparently my teacher told my mother that I was waving my hands around and making kablooey noises. (She thought it was random weirdness – she didn’t realize that I was crafting intricate plotlines. The planes were being hijacked and heroic Dolph Lundgren types were trying to stop the bad guys.) This led to psychiatric intervention. Amazingly, I never got put on Ritalin.

But anyway…

I have given some thought to braiding my nose hair. I’ll let you know if I go ahead and do it.

The leading case is Massachusetts v. Mellon, 262 U.S. 447 (1923). The syllabus of that case is illuminating (syllabi are not law; they are not actually parts of the binding opinions, but I cite them here assuming my audience to be laypersons; syllabi are generally easier to understand for the general reader). The case concerned a federal statute mandating the collection of data by federal bureaucrats and requiring the incidental cooperation of States’ agencies. From the syllabus (points are renumbered for simplicity, some editing is made for clarity):

1. The statute does not require the plaintiff [i.e., the State, attempting to sue on behalf of its residents, as parens patriae] to do or yield anything, and as no burden is imposed by it other than that of taxation, which falls not on the State but on her inhabitants, who are within the federal government’s, as well as the state’s, taxing power, the complaint resolves down to the naked contention that Congress has usurped reserved powers of the States by the mere enactment of the statute, though nothing has been, or is to be, done under it without their consent – an abstract question of political power, not a matter of judicial cognizance.

2. A State may not, as parens patriae, institute judicial proceedings to protect her citizens (who are no less citizens of the U.S.A.), from the operation of a federal statute upon the ground that, as applied to them, it is unconstitutional.

3. A suit by an individual, as a past and future federal tax-payer, to restrain the enforcement of an act of Congress authorizing appropriations of public money, upon the ground that the act is invalid, cannot be entertained in equity.

4. To invoke the judicial power to disregard a statute as unconstitutional, the party who assails it must show not only that the statute is invalid, but that he has sustained, or is immediately in danger of sustaining, some direct injury as a result of its enforcement, and not merely that he suffers in some indefinite way in common with people generally.

I’ll pause here. This business about a statute’s being unconstitutional as applied (vs. a statute’s being unconstitutional on its face (or prima facie) is important. A statute which is prima facie unconstitutional is essentially one that cannot, under any circumstances, be enforced without violating the constitution. A statute which is only unconstitutional as applied (to a specific situation, person, class of persons, etc.) is one which is not necessarily unsalvageable, but which cannot be enforced in a way or under circumstances which result in the unconstitutional result; to the extent that it leads to such results, it is void. This distinction ties back to the requirement that harm be definite and specific to the aggrieved party, and not abstract and affecting the aggrieved party only in the same way it affects all members of the public generally.

By the way, it doesn’t matter if a statute, a regulation, an ordinance, or an executive order is at issue for these purposes; I write about statutes out of habit because they are the most common and easily understood manifestation of law.

Think about an ordinance that closes down a stretch of the sidewalk for a year to accommodate construction, vs. one which closes down that sidewalk only to Christians, or persons with green eyes, who travel that sidewalk each day to and from work or what have you, and you start to see the idea behind something affecting the public generally and something singling out a person or a class of persons and causing definite, specific harm. I digress.

The decision last week end-runs all of this stuff by granting standing to Washington and Minnesota to sue on behalf not of their residents as such, but of their universities. It then cites precedent that universities and other schools may sue on behalf of their students. That’s it; that’s the (admittedly clever) back door the attorneys general of the states proffered to the court, giving them something to hang their hats on, as we often say regarding litigation, and the court accepted the proffered hat-peg. The court goes on to invoke the Establishment Clause and claim for the states (via the logic I just outlined) a right to assert students’ and employees’ rights to freely exercise religion. This last bit is a doozy, because the executive order does not discriminate based upon religion, but, rather, national origin. Usually national origin is a suspect classification, but, as I explained previously, all laws related to foreign nations and foreign nationals necessarily invoke nationality, whether they be tariffs, regulations of immigration and travel, status-of-forces agreements, or whatever you may mention.

So, is the theory that States have standing to represent their universities’ students and employees against the federal government sound?

Remember, a fundamental principal laid down nearly a century ago under Mellon is the requirement of an identifiable harm, not harm in the air. Assuming, arguendo that States’ relation to the relevant aliens via their universities grants standing where it otherwise might not lie, what is the harm to those aliens, and is it discernible from impositions and burdens on the public generally? Are the States, their universities, and their students and faculty being singled out? No. They face the same burdens every State and every university and every student and professor does: a restriction on travel to and from seven or eight nations enumerated in the order (as Mr. Derbyshire astutely notes, South Sudan and Sudan are now distinct nations…)

Returning to Mellon, which according to my admittedly not thorough research still controls under stare decisis, I see no evidence that the executive order and its burdens:

1. As applied to the States, their universities, and those universities’ students and employees, is unconstitutional; nor that

2. It causes direct injury to the plaintiff States et al. as a result of its enforcement, and not merely that they suffer impositions and burdens in some indefinite way in common with people generally.

The conundrum about whether the order unduly affects the nationals of the designated nations and is unconstitutional as applied is akin to the old chestnut about homosexuals pretending to marry: laws prohibiting it may be said to deny the homosexuals the right to marry anyone of their choosing, or they may be said to in no wise at all single out homosexuals, since the homosexuals are free to marry members of the opposite sex just as everyone else is. I would argue the States and their universities can pursue all the global engagement they want outside the enumerated hotbeds of terrorism. After all, Boeing cannot sell F/A 18s to the North Koreans, but that’s hardly an insufferable restriction on their ability to conduct their business. Choose your own adventure.

One last note: the decision does not once cite Mellon. It cites:

1. Craig v. Boren, which granted standing to a seller of booze to challenge laws prohibiting sale thereof to persons under the age of twenty-one as violative of those persons’ rights. Distinguishable because the court found the statute in question also directly and concretely injured sellers of booze by decreasing their sales.

2. Singleton v. Wulf, holding that “third-party standing is allowed when the third party’s interests are ‘inextricably bound up with the activity the litigant wishes to pursue’; when the litigant is ‘fully, or very nearly, as effective a proponent of the right’ as the third party; or when the third party is less able to assert her own rights).” I argue none of these criteria apply to the matter at hand. States’ concerns are not inextricably bound up in the travel to and from the U.S.A. of a negligible number of their universities’ students and faculty; States cannot as effectively advocate for such persons as the persons could for themselves, given all the vagaries and nuances of each person’s alleged injury; nor are these persons in any way less equipped to file their own suits than is the State.

3. Griswold v. Connecticut, upholding physicians’ standing to sue regarding laws affecting their patients. See my point supra about direct, concrete harm to sellers of liquor, which is equally applicable to sellers of medicine, surgery, and advice about health.

4. NAACP v. Patterson, finding standing for the NAACP to sue regarding its members’ constitutional rights. Of course, aliens have no constitutional right to enter the U.S.A. – or they didn’t, until these three geniuses unilaterally amended the federal constitution last week.

I could go on and on; all of the case law relied upon in this decision to establish standing is easily distinguishable.

I apologise to those I have bored. This little essay is hardly a formidable brief, but I hope it illuminates the troubles regarding standing in this matter. It reflects an hour or two’s effort, and may well stand to be improved or otherwise contain oversights, for which I take full responsibility. If Attorney General Sessions is reading, and impressed with my humble scribbling, I welcome overtures of employment.

It’s been many years since I looked at my family’s records, but I think my earliest ancestor here was a bit later than that. 1650s, or thereabouts. Virginia, I think, but I’m even fuzzier on that part. My surname is heaviest in southeast England.

Somebody here recently commented on how many Americans have pre-Revolutionary ancestors, and it was a lot more than I thought, a rather large fraction of the population.

– Jews were already leftwing, Moldbug is wrong (he really doesn’t like Moldbug!), look at role in Russian empire or Europe

– Jews think of whites as their ‘ancient foe’ but don’t think that of Chinese

– USS Liberty was absolutely a purposeful Israeli attack on US ship, only case he knows of repeated day-time ‘accidental’ attacks. Article in Chicago Tribune of retired army guys who saw classified info, and they said they heard transmissions from Israeli airforce being told to attack US ships. They wanted to kill everyone so there’d be no witnesses. Then later lied to say it was an ‘accident’ despite it happening over and over again. 6th Fleet was going to be scrambled, but McNamara ordered not to cuz LBJ ordered not to, because he didn’t want to piss off “the Jews”. What was the purpose of the attack on the Liberty? To pretend it was Egypt attacking and get US on Israel’s side. Likely some general didn’t realize in fog of war how easily Israel was winning and lost his nerve and ordered it, as well as good opportunity to cement American support and finish off residual “Arab” lobby in USG.

– Nixon supporting Israel in ’73 was to get Jewish support for Cold War and tie their support to Vietnam war, etc. You don’t need all the Jews, but you need ‘some of them’.

– White subordination to Jews, can change, it changed over past 100 years, it can change again. Israel will likely ‘push its luck’ and p.o. Trump, see below.

Mentioning the Liberty is a sure marker of an anti-Semite. No one gives a damn about the USS Liberty anymore except for anti-Semites and family members. It was 50 years ago. Only leftists talk about stuff that happened 2 generations ago as if they happened yesterday. The Japs killed hundreds of thousands of our finest boys in a thousand sneak attacks – now Trump goes golfing with their prime minister and Jap cars are best sellers. How many innocent people has the US killed since 1967? Sh8t happens in the fog of war – your own troops get killed by friendly fire, wedding parties are mistaken for terrorist gatherings and bombed, entire cities are vaporized in mushroom clouds in an instant, all kinds of horrors. It’s called SNAFU – situation normal – all f&cked up. F&cked up is the normal situation in a war. That’s why the best thing is to stay out of them and stay far away from other people’s wars. Pray for peace.

Ha ha ha ha h aha...the federal court of appeals has just sustained judge Robart's repeal of Trump's Travel and Immigration Executive Order. Ooooooh...I am so happy Get bent, conservatives!The big irony of this situation is that even a conservative judge nomeated by George W.Bush considers Trump to be a buffoon.

Trump is an illegitimate president who lost the popular vote. And it's not like he lost by a small margin. He actually lost by more than a million votes. In all democracies, the only thing that matters is the popular vote. One person, one vote. Only America has this anomaly called the electoral college.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump's presidency is going to be a war. If it were only the liberals that were all against him, it would be one thing. But even a large part of Republicans find him and his ideas deplorable as well. President Bush Senior has already stated that Trump does not have the character or emotional maturity to be President of the U.S. Even a staunch conservative, a war hero at that, finds Trump repulsive. Add to that that he lost the popular vote, and his Presidency is going to be a war.

I am making a prediction: Trump will not be able to implement more than 90% of what he promised durin ghis campaign. Most of his promises will be vetoed by both liberal and conservative judges, and the Republican Congress itself will not give him clout most of the time because he is seen as too radical on some issues, and too soft on other issues that are dear to Republicans.

Trump's Presidency will implode. He will either get impeached or resign. Even if he finishes his term, which I find unlikey, he won't win relection fraudulently like he did this time.

Restricting immigration is simply unacceptable, and it is time for Sailer and his minions to accept this. America was built by immigrants. Every American citizen except for Native Americans is the descendant of immigrants. Sailer himself is the descendant of immigrants.

He lost the popular vote because 57 counties voted for Clinton. In those counties reside millions of illegal aliens black affirmative action + welfare/ criminal slugs, gays, Jews and other haters of Whites.

Another way of looking at voting patterns is that there are 3,184 counties in this country and only 57 voted for Clinton.
It was California that made the popular vote for Clinton. About 30 percent of the population are illegal and legal immigrants who are not eligible to vote.
But many did vote and voted for Clinton.

My state has registration and voting by mail. The voter registration cards are available in every post office, library DMV and other government offices as well as most high schools for the convenience of kids turning 18.
Last October a postal carrier delivered 86 postal ballots, all with different names to one address.

I live within walking distance of a post office and 2 libraries. I could drop by each one once a week and pick up 100 registration cards. I could fill them out using different names I could check the vote by mail option

6 weeks before the election I could call the election commission and ask when the absentee ballots would be mailed out. Then I would be sure to stay home, out in the front yard with a big garbage bag to collect the ballots when the mail arrived
I could just fill them out and send them back.

Here is a story from the Pres election of 1980. This was years before mail in registration My sister lived in Germany at the time and my home was her official US address. She and friends visited most Summers She needed to register to vote. She mailed herself a letter addressed to my home

. She took her passport, her US and international Dr licenses and the letter addressed to her at my home to the registrar of voters. To her astonishment she was not asked for any ID or proof address.

Her friends laughed about it and decided to see if they too could get absentee ballots in a US election. So 2 English and 1 German girls went to the registrar of voters and registrars to vote. No questions asked, no ID or proof of address required.

They all got their absentee ballots in Germany and they all voted against Regean. And they all recieved absentee ballots for years afterwards

I agree that Trump won’t be able to do much. I had a look at the friends of the court briefs filed in favor of the restraining order against Trumps ban on immigrants from the 7 countries Perdue, Tyson, Farmer John, Wilson, Armour, Oracle, Microsoft, 3M, Dell, Cisco, Apple, Facebook, hospital associations, all the Capitalist cannibals of America claiming that they would be irreblably harmed if they could not recruit every worker from physician and engineer to dishwasher and fruit picker from those 7 countries.

The capitalists recruited the hard left including the communists. hard socialists, environmentalists and Jews in their war against workers of all skill levels and races long ago.

The anti White democrats and liberals are just well funded dupes of the great corporations who want cheap, cheaper and cheapest labor

And they have succeeded. In California there are entire hospitals, medical offices, factories stores, restaurants where you not see one, not one White or black American worker.

I agree with you that Trump won’t be able to do much. Most important the federal courts are supreme over the president and congress and have been since 1804, Marbury vs Madison. President Madison obeyed the Supreme Court and so has every President since except for Jackson who managed to prevent the creation of a federal reserve national bank.

The courts will obey their capitalist masters and overturn every thing Trump wants to do.

“Mentioning the Liberty is a sure marker of an anti-Semite. No one gives a damn about the USS Liberty anymore except for anti-Semites and family members.”

This seems cold… just family members… who cares what really happened… all that old WWII stuff, like the Holocoust, well, “Only leftists talk about stuff that happened 2 generations ago as if they happened yesterday.”… the fog of war… so sad.

I wouldn’t mind more attention paid to whatever happened to the Liberty. There’s probably some interesting archives waiting for secrecy limits to expire.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was simply a mistake, but not necessarily one of identification, Israeli pilots and PT boat sailors who had recently come from the Soviet Union and eastern Europe might not have had much of an idea whose side the US was on, what was going down in global politics, or particularly had time to care. With all that was happening distracting their commanders, well, their commanders had given them a mission and they tried to carry it out. In the midst of the war and the Egyptian advance, they would not have spent a lot of time trying to second guess their orders. Maybe somewhat similar to the charge of the Light Brigade, confused communication and confused orders. Stupid things happen.

In addition, about 10 years earlier the US had been on what the Israeli pilots and sailors would have thought of as the opposing side, during the 1956 Suez Crisis in which Israel, England, and France tried to invade Egypt and got shutdown, mostly by the US (Eisenhower, though the USSR also threatened a nuclear strike):

“…an invasion of Egypt in late 1956 by Israel, followed by the United Kingdom and France. … the Israeli invasion and the subsequent Anglo-French attack had been planned beforehand…

…The President… outlined Israel’s refusal to withdraw, explaining his belief that the UN had “no choice but to exert pressure upon Israel”… France and the UK launched an air attack against targets in Egypt, which was followed shortly by a landing of their troops…

…Nasser requested diplomatic assistance from the U.S., without requesting the same from the Soviet Union; he was at first skeptical of the efficacy of US diplomatic efforts at the UN, but later gave full credit to Eisenhower’s role in stopping the war…

…Egyptian sovereignty and ownership of the Canal had been confirmed by the United States and the United Nations…

…laid the groundwork for the Six Day War in 1967 due to the lack of a peace settlement following the 1956 war…”

One reason for the secrecy surrounding the Liberty may be the extent of President Johnson’s role. Johnson was from a family of fundamentalist preachers (Christadelphians, one of those Apocalyptic traditions) and Johnson, in Texas, may have engaged in smuggling arms to Israel earlier in his life.

It would be interesting to know more about the following, which might or might not be true, but if we aren’t even interested in finding out…

“…According to Gomolak, Novy and Johnson then raised a very “substantial sum for arms for Jewish underground fighters in Palestine.” One source cited by the historian reports that “Novy and Johnson had been secretly shipping heavy crates labeled ‘Texas Grapefruit’ – but containing arms – to Jewish underground ‘freedom fighters’ in Palestine.”…

…Johnson blocked the Eisenhower administration’s attempts to apply sanctions against Israel following the 1956 Sinai Campaign…

…Johnson consistently blocked the anti-Israel initiatives of his fellow Democrat, William Fulbright…

…Kennedy was the first president to approve the sale of defensive US weapons to Israel… But Johnson approved tanks and fighter jets, all vital after the 1967 war when France imposed a freeze on sales to Israel.”

So maybe the mystery has little to do with Jews and much to do with President Johnson. Or maybe not, as no one seems to know or perhaps wants to know.

Not really, because when they came the political and territorial entity knows as the "United States of America" did not exist. Therefore, they technically did not "invade" or enter illegaly the U.S.A., and therefore laws of immigration and deportation simply do not apply to them. Quite the opposite, the invaders were the English settlers who came and took the land that belonged to them. America was built on theft.

Damn, it is so easy to prove you guys wrong. The worst part is that you think you're being clever with these pseudo-sarcastic comments.

By your exact lights, the first 170 years of Anglo immigrants were just settlers too, then. Contradicting yourself is getting to be a habit over there. Now, thief? Heal thyself. Preferably back in your own country.

This is true. Judging by the number of counties Trump won over Hillary, and the strong showing of the GOP in Congress, I'd say a Prime Minister Trump would be able to govern with a comfortable majority under the Westminster system.

There are 3,184 counties in the country. Hildabeast won 57, Trump won 3,127, an overwhelming majority I love telling that to all my liberal friends and relatives

And it’s in those counties where the illegal immigrants and green card holders live.

So one must conclude that Hildabeasts won in the counties where non citizens committed the crime of illegally voting.

Unlike most guys these days, I also like my face clean-shaven. (This is a lifelong preference.) But I don’t wax.

You don't wax what? Your face?

I did answer your question, but evidently my reply was memory-holed by Komment Kontrol.

So, my dear David, you shall never know. If we choose to set you free when we have finished with you, and if you live to be ninety years old, still you will never learn the answer to that question. As long as you live, it will be an unsolved riddle in your mind.

Not sure how trustworthy the data set is, but this spreadsheet indicates 487/3141 counties went for Hillary:
https://github.com/tonmcg/County_Level_Election_Results_12-16
(in particular, a quick look shows the Alaska data looks off and the popular vote total shows as +279K for Hillary which is off greatly)
What I find most interesting is the largest net Trump vote was 104K (Montgomery County, TX) with 20 counties over 50K net for Trump.
The largest net Hillary vote was 1237K (Los Angeles County, CA) with 45 counties over 104K (i.e. largest for Trump) and 89 counties over 50K.

But Jack D's primary point stands. The 57 county meme really is fake news.

"Mentioning the Liberty is a sure marker of an anti-Semite. No one gives a damn about the USS Liberty anymore except for anti-Semites and family members."

This seems cold... just family members... who cares what really happened... all that old WWII stuff, like the Holocoust, well, "Only leftists talk about stuff that happened 2 generations ago as if they happened yesterday."... the fog of war... so sad.

I wouldn't mind more attention paid to whatever happened to the Liberty. There's probably some interesting archives waiting for secrecy limits to expire.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was simply a mistake, but not necessarily one of identification, Israeli pilots and PT boat sailors who had recently come from the Soviet Union and eastern Europe might not have had much of an idea whose side the US was on, what was going down in global politics, or particularly had time to care. With all that was happening distracting their commanders, well, their commanders had given them a mission and they tried to carry it out. In the midst of the war and the Egyptian advance, they would not have spent a lot of time trying to second guess their orders. Maybe somewhat similar to the charge of the Light Brigade, confused communication and confused orders. Stupid things happen.

In addition, about 10 years earlier the US had been on what the Israeli pilots and sailors would have thought of as the opposing side, during the 1956 Suez Crisis in which Israel, England, and France tried to invade Egypt and got shutdown, mostly by the US (Eisenhower, though the USSR also threatened a nuclear strike):

"...an invasion of Egypt in late 1956 by Israel, followed by the United Kingdom and France. ... the Israeli invasion and the subsequent Anglo-French attack had been planned beforehand...

...The President... outlined Israel's refusal to withdraw, explaining his belief that the UN had "no choice but to exert pressure upon Israel"... France and the UK launched an air attack against targets in Egypt, which was followed shortly by a landing of their troops...

...Nasser requested diplomatic assistance from the U.S., without requesting the same from the Soviet Union; he was at first skeptical of the efficacy of US diplomatic efforts at the UN, but later gave full credit to Eisenhower's role in stopping the war...

...Egyptian sovereignty and ownership of the Canal had been confirmed by the United States and the United Nations...

...laid the groundwork for the Six Day War in 1967 due to the lack of a peace settlement following the 1956 war..."

One reason for the secrecy surrounding the Liberty may be the extent of President Johnson's role. Johnson was from a family of fundamentalist preachers (Christadelphians, one of those Apocalyptic traditions) and Johnson, in Texas, may have engaged in smuggling arms to Israel earlier in his life.

It would be interesting to know more about the following, which might or might not be true, but if we aren't even interested in finding out...

"...According to Gomolak, Novy and Johnson then raised a very "substantial sum for arms for Jewish underground fighters in Palestine." One source cited by the historian reports that "Novy and Johnson had been secretly shipping heavy crates labeled 'Texas Grapefruit' - but containing arms - to Jewish underground 'freedom fighters' in Palestine."...

...Johnson blocked the Eisenhower administration's attempts to apply sanctions against Israel following the 1956 Sinai Campaign...

...Johnson consistently blocked the anti-Israel initiatives of his fellow Democrat, William Fulbright...

...Kennedy was the first president to approve the sale of defensive US weapons to Israel... But Johnson approved tanks and fighter jets, all vital after the 1967 war when France imposed a freeze on sales to Israel."

So maybe the mystery has little to do with Jews and much to do with President Johnson. Or maybe not, as no one seems to know or perhaps wants to know.

"Mentioning the Liberty is a sure marker of an anti-Semite. No one gives a damn about the USS Liberty anymore except for anti-Semites and family members."

This seems cold... just family members... who cares what really happened... all that old WWII stuff, like the Holocoust, well, "Only leftists talk about stuff that happened 2 generations ago as if they happened yesterday."... the fog of war... so sad.

I wouldn't mind more attention paid to whatever happened to the Liberty. There's probably some interesting archives waiting for secrecy limits to expire.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was simply a mistake, but not necessarily one of identification, Israeli pilots and PT boat sailors who had recently come from the Soviet Union and eastern Europe might not have had much of an idea whose side the US was on, what was going down in global politics, or particularly had time to care. With all that was happening distracting their commanders, well, their commanders had given them a mission and they tried to carry it out. In the midst of the war and the Egyptian advance, they would not have spent a lot of time trying to second guess their orders. Maybe somewhat similar to the charge of the Light Brigade, confused communication and confused orders. Stupid things happen.

In addition, about 10 years earlier the US had been on what the Israeli pilots and sailors would have thought of as the opposing side, during the 1956 Suez Crisis in which Israel, England, and France tried to invade Egypt and got shutdown, mostly by the US (Eisenhower, though the USSR also threatened a nuclear strike):

"...an invasion of Egypt in late 1956 by Israel, followed by the United Kingdom and France. ... the Israeli invasion and the subsequent Anglo-French attack had been planned beforehand...

...The President... outlined Israel's refusal to withdraw, explaining his belief that the UN had "no choice but to exert pressure upon Israel"... France and the UK launched an air attack against targets in Egypt, which was followed shortly by a landing of their troops...

...Nasser requested diplomatic assistance from the U.S., without requesting the same from the Soviet Union; he was at first skeptical of the efficacy of US diplomatic efforts at the UN, but later gave full credit to Eisenhower's role in stopping the war...

...Egyptian sovereignty and ownership of the Canal had been confirmed by the United States and the United Nations...

...laid the groundwork for the Six Day War in 1967 due to the lack of a peace settlement following the 1956 war..."

One reason for the secrecy surrounding the Liberty may be the extent of President Johnson's role. Johnson was from a family of fundamentalist preachers (Christadelphians, one of those Apocalyptic traditions) and Johnson, in Texas, may have engaged in smuggling arms to Israel earlier in his life.

It would be interesting to know more about the following, which might or might not be true, but if we aren't even interested in finding out...

"...According to Gomolak, Novy and Johnson then raised a very "substantial sum for arms for Jewish underground fighters in Palestine." One source cited by the historian reports that "Novy and Johnson had been secretly shipping heavy crates labeled 'Texas Grapefruit' - but containing arms - to Jewish underground 'freedom fighters' in Palestine."...

...Johnson blocked the Eisenhower administration's attempts to apply sanctions against Israel following the 1956 Sinai Campaign...

...Johnson consistently blocked the anti-Israel initiatives of his fellow Democrat, William Fulbright...

...Kennedy was the first president to approve the sale of defensive US weapons to Israel... But Johnson approved tanks and fighter jets, all vital after the 1967 war when France imposed a freeze on sales to Israel."

So maybe the mystery has little to do with Jews and much to do with President Johnson. Or maybe not, as no one seems to know or perhaps wants to know.

That is not nice. Scott should be working on complexity theory and writing a followup to his excellent "Quantum Computing since Democritus" instead of dabbling in The Politics of Panic, where he is definitely out of his depth.

Grrr. I spent hours reading that thread, as though I have nothing better to do. Moldbug’s were almost the only pleasurable, not to mention informative, series of contributions.

Scott ends by saying that henceforth he won’t be permitting any more such comments, unless they comport precisely with his own prejudices.

(in particular, a quick look shows the Alaska data looks off and the popular vote total shows as +279K for Hillary which is off greatly)
What I find most interesting is the largest net Trump vote was 104K (Montgomery County, TX) with 20 counties over 50K net for Trump.
The largest net Hillary vote was 1237K (Los Angeles County, CA) with 45 counties over 104K (i.e. largest for Trump) and 89 counties over 50K.

But Jack D’s primary point stands. The 57 county meme really is fake news.

Mentioning the Liberty is a sure marker of an anti-Semite. No one gives a damn about the USS Liberty anymore except for anti-Semites and family members. It was 50 years ago. Only leftists talk about stuff that happened 2 generations ago as if they happened yesterday. The Japs killed hundreds of thousands of our finest boys in a thousand sneak attacks – now Trump goes golfing with their prime minister and Jap cars are best sellers. How many innocent people has the US killed since 1967? Sh8t happens in the fog of war – your own troops get killed by friendly fire, wedding parties are mistaken for terrorist gatherings and bombed, entire cities are vaporized in mushroom clouds in an instant, all kinds of horrors. It’s called SNAFU – situation normal – all f&cked up. F&cked up is the normal situation in a war. That’s why the best thing is to stay out of them and stay far away from other people’s wars. Pray for peace.

“Anti-Semite” in this context seems like the non-Jewish equivalent of “Zionist.” I’ve seen several Zionists here recently bring up bombings from the eighties to justify American aggression vs. Iran. Several of which were not even carried out on American soil, or against American targets, mind you.

Sh8t happens in the fog of war

We’ve managed not to bomb or strafe the Israelis or their ships yet, though. Never mind repeatedly. AFAIK, anyway.

I’m more of an Israeli/Jewish type of guy; I figure grudges don’t expire (on the other hand, I use them mostly rhetorically, not to persuade people to bomb anyone).

Oh, and there are grudges, and then there are grudge-worthy acts. Nuking Japan twice (and etc.) sorta turned Japanese acts from the former, to the latter. I’m sure if we get to strafe a few Israeli ships and kill a few dozen Israeli sailors, it would go a long way to doing the same for the Liberty attack.

I had the exact same reaction Jake. I always assumed the only way for a Phoron to become famous would involve firearms in some way. Who knew all it would take would be Donald Trump becoming President and Hillary Clinton making a speech in Reno about a cartoon frog?

I forgive everything BAP ever said in the shoutbox about the Irish.

I had the exact same reaction Jake. I always assumed the only way for a Phoron to become famous would involve firearms in some way. Who knew all it would take would be Donald Trump becoming President and Hillary Clinton making a speech in Reno about a cartoon frog?

Pepe has indeed superseded Hambone, in the twilight struggle against National Cuckoldry.