It's only fair that this list be publicized ASAP, so that teams can make necessary deals before July 31.

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I see this written over and over everywhere I go. People need to stop saying this. It's 100% not true. There are MANY ways players can get suspended, all agreed to in the last collective bargaining agreement by the players union. One of those things that would trigger a suspension is written and/or oral evidence. In fact, because some players were officially asked about the incident by MLB, they can be hit with TWO suspensions. One for the evidence and another for lying about it. Again, this isn't shenanigans or interpretation, this was something agreed to by the union. There would be no case for arbitration or any other kind of recourse.

This should work in our favor. It will create holes on contenders (hopefully) and we can fill them for them.
Or, heck, if we listen to Hawk, we have 18 games left with the Tigers...we hold our destiny in our hands!

Braun tried to ruin a guy's life the first time he was caught. He's a POS cheat and a liar.

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I'm not counting this homerun or his 3 RBI from today's game because of the game situation. I'm not counting his pinch hit solo homerun in a blowout win in Colorado. In my book, Crede has 2 less home runs than his statistics show, 4 less RBI, and one less walk (the one where he pinch hit for Uribe after coming in with a 3-0 count and taking one pitch).

I've said this before, past the point of caring anymore. Trying to stop PED in today's age where the users are always 3 steps ahead of the testers in pointless. Like trying to shut down speakeasy's and keep alcohol illegal back in the day. Prohibition didn't work and neither will MLB's anti drug policy. Sure your gonna catch some once in a blue moon. For every one you catch there are many that you dont. .

I've said this before, past the point of caring anymore. Trying to stop PED in today's age where the users are always 3 steps ahead of the testers in pointless. Like trying to shut down speakeasy's and keep alcohol illegal back in the day. Prohibition didn't work and neither will MLB's anti drug policy. Sure your gonna catch some once in a blue moon. For every one you catch there are many that you dont. .

Let em juice...

I have to think the testing is working on some level. We haven't had any 60+ homerun seasons and very few 50+ HR seasons since it began. While I realize this is similar to saying my rock keeps tigers away, there has to be some reason for the power dropoff, and it would be a pretty big coincidence if it ended up being unrelated to the steroid testing.

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I have to think the testing is working on some level. We haven't had any 60+ homerun seasons and very few 50+ HR seasons since it began. While I realize this is similar to saying my rock keeps tigers away, there has to be some reason for the power dropoff, and it would be a pretty big coincidence if it ended up being unrelated to the steroid testing.

Yea its more a speed bump as modern medicine is always coming up w/new undectable anabolics. I see it the times I've judged BB contests. Guys win supposdly drug free shows when its obvious they are using.

Well, if all you need to get suspended is the appearance of impropriety and hearsay, then it really doesn't matter if science outpaces testing. I'm not suggesting the Biogenesis case doesn't have merit, but it's doubtful that they'll come up with hard evidence that ARod, Braun, etc., were juicing. It's going to come down to accusations and testimony.

And when the biggest names in the world of professional sports are getting caught, it's silly to suggest that it isn't working at least on some level. Guys like Bonds, ARod, Lance, etc., have hundreds of millions of dollars to try to game the system and they're still getting busted. I'm sure they're at the bleeding edge when it comes to PEDs. Some 15 year Dominican prospect isn't going to have Balcor or Biogenesis on his speed dial and will likely get caught.