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Court overturns restrictions on concealed weapons in California

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on Feb 17, 2014

A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco struck down a San Diego law Thursday that restricted the concealed carry of firearms except in cases where an individual could prove they were in exceptional danger.

Well Lefty Fred, your comment is well taken. Concealed weapons, you are right not the best situation for police officers and the general public at large.

Your last sentence is a little off the wall..."May God protect them" They better protect their own behind...Forget about a God protecting them. That God you speak of can not or will not lift a finger to protect our children let alone a police officer. It's everyone for them self and it always will be that way. When I was young I was brain washed with the Baltimore catechism description about "Who is God" Who ever wrote the BC was also brain washed. I think you know where I am coming from. Watch your own back...the God of today has no time to watch any ones back.

This is a victory for our freedom and constitutional rights as they were intended by our forefathers of this country. Perhaps we should be challenging who is allowed to cross our borders and who is granted citizenship. We should put our energy, money and resources not on fighting the citizens rights but perhaps not allowing prisoners back out on the streets before their sentence is finished because of crowdedness after we spend so much money to put them in; what an assault to our judicial system and the tax payers! A criminal is less inclined to commit a crime when there is a higher probability that a citizen can defend himself with a gun.

Sad day all around .. gun nuts are rejoicing, law enforcement has this new factor to deal with when fighting crime and citizens like me who love this country and are all for individual freedom cannot fathom the moronic obsession with guns!

Now I have to worry when my child is at the park if the other dad/mom has a concealed weapon .. fools will do that, just like the guy in FL who carried a gun to the movie theater.

Finally I can carry my guns legally around town. For years I have had to conceal my weapon under my clothes, which was "illegal." And I am otherwise a law abiding citizen. I felt safer, I was safer. In fact all the time I had it concealed, there was not one situation that I found myself in, or that I observed others in, that warranted me drawing my gun to protect myself or others at large. You see I am grotesquely fat, so I am a sitting target for petty criminals that want my wallet, or should something happen, I would not be able to run like many other people. So I need the gun. And as you can see both me an everyone around me was safer because I had a gun on me. Not one situation arose!... and with all the crime and killing going on these days, I find that amazing, and can only attribute it to my "breaking the law" by carrying around a concealed weapon.

And I truly hope that the trend of loosening gun control laws continues. See, for me and others around me, we have been safer all these years. But really, if you want true safety, so that the other murders and robberies and rapes that are happening are severely reduced, society needs to allow law abiding gun carrying citizens the right to pull our guns out and point them at people. You see, while I am allowed to carry the gun, I would get arrested for pulling it out and pointing it at people and tell them to back off, you are threatening my safety. That is why Florida is an enlightened state with the stand-your-ground laws. We need that here too. The nice thing about Florida, is under s-y-g, people are not only allowed to pull out their guns and point them, but they are allowed to shoot them too. There was a recent case in Florida, where a black thug threatened a neighborhood with his skittleish behavior. Thank God for gun carrying laws there and s-y-g, the neighborhood was protected from this menace, who was threatening in that he was strolling through the neighborhood, back to his house, minding his own business. And the jury got it right in finding the law abiding citizen, not guilty of the trumped up murder charge.
So thank you to God as enacted through the ninth circuit, for giving us back a right to safety and sanity. God knows best, guns are the only way to a safer, saner and more civilized society.

Posted by Peter Kluget
a resident of Danville
on Feb 18, 2014 at 11:25 am

Yeah, we should all sleep better at night knowing that P will be there to shoot the bad guys who threaten us by texting their children's babysitters during the movie previews, playing the music in their cars too loud, or trick or treating in "wierd" clothes.

Because, based on his sober and thoughtful assessment of the world, we can trust him to do the right thing with his guns, right? I mean, it's not like he's living an adolescent fantasy where he's threatened on all sides but is ready and able to correctly deduce when to pull out his gun and, by shooting a "bad guy" become a big hero, is he?

Hooray for this ruling!! Might actually even the playing field with the thugs I. Oakland/Concord etc.....they are armed and the cops/lawyers do nothing. Civil unrest is coming----calling 911 will get you nowhere. It is coming.

maybe "Peter Kluget" is REALLY an Oakland gang-banger who is upset that the law-abiding citizens of Danville are willing to arm themselves to protect their families from his home-robbing "job" ? Look at all of the home robberies in Danville and San Ramon lately....your "job" just got tougher "Peter"...maybe you can relocate to a gun-free zone like you prefer? troll somewhere else....

Posted by Conservator
a resident of Danville
on Feb 19, 2014 at 12:11 pm

@dave,

It's clear to me that Peter's post-graduate school vocabulary and sarcasm does not carry well with such an emotionally charged topic. Such is life.

Challenge yourself to ponder the question of whether or not you truly believe that a full-time fully armed society is a better society. Let's all remember that if it is acceptable for the silver-tinged, well-dressed gentleman to enter a public facility with his favorite firearm on his person, it would have to be similarly acceptable for the more youthful, 20-something (without any priors, etc.) to come similarly armed. Think of all of the heated arguments one witnesses on a routine basis amongst generally well intended adults (>30), not to speak of the youthful enthusiasm typically shown by young men in their 20s, that would sadly end differently if everyone came fully armed. How many 'boardroom' negotiations, business dealings, Little League games would be made 'better' if all of the discussants had their weapon with them during the heat of moment? Maybe it's just me but I think none.

I for one am biased to fully displayed and holstered sidearms. If one has decided to go about their daily business fully armed, then those around them should at least be made sufficiently aware to either proceed without issue or to remove themselves from the environment. No issue with the weapon, I just want to know if you come into the public establishment with one.

If you are one who longs for the nostalgia evoked by the stories written about legendary 19th century frontier towns like Deadwood and Dodge City, you should really consider an extended vacation to somewhere such as downtown Mogadishu. Perhaps, think of it as a real-world, Westworld…

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I don't remember the constitution saying we needed to be well armed against perceived or "at-large" criminals, but more like the government and enemies. Now we have gun crazies wanting to arm everyone in public? Are you kidding? What a bunch of CRAZIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And why stop with hand-guns? How about semi-automatics, uzis, machine guns, howitzers? Hey why not even grenades?
How about instead of "stand-your-ground" we implement "bolster-your-argument" laws. Or "settle-your-suit" laws. Perhaps we should have the free speech right to shoot at those that get in others faces or that piss people off. We could deter such behavior by implementing a mandatory time-off sentence, much like police forces do for officers that shoot guns.
"Kill-the-umpire" could become more common place... say, what's wrong with "Guns-at-Games" anyway?

Posted by Peter Kluget
a resident of Danville
on Feb 20, 2014 at 6:06 pm

"Look at all of the home robberies in Danville and San Ramon lately" Dave, if the word you're looking for is "burglaries" I don't think having a bunch of people walking around downtown with concealed guns will help much. Most burglaries, by design, happen when no one's home. If you actually mean "robberies" I don't have any idea what you're talking about, since I'm not aware of any around here lately, let alone a whole slew of 'em. The last home invasion robbery I recall around these parts was in Alamo, some years back. The homeowner had a gun, and used it. He's dead.

Rob, considering the government has tanks, drones, missiles, RPGs, aircraft carriers and nuclear weapons, I'm really not going to get in a tizzy about bulk purchases of firearm ammunition that the various law enforcement agencies have a legitimate use for.

Now, the fact that you are clearly all worked up over would cause me some concern if you were (a) in my neighborhood, and (b) had some of those guns and ammo yourself. A guy with a loaded weapon and an inability to distinguish between a real threat and an imagined one is something that in fact scares the bejeesus out of me.

not to worry 'peter'.... this ruling will soon be overturned and smarmy sycophants like you will continue running this state into the ground like you did to Detroit...

by the way, 'peter'--was that recent carjacking at the Danville Costco a 'robbery' or a 'burglary'? something the helpless victims having their car stolen from them at gunpoint I'm sure were pondering...

OH! a gun-free zone idea: next time someone is being robbed, er, burgled, (help me here, 'peter'?) at the Danville Costco at gunpoint we can just call 'peter'. as soon as he can get there from his mommy's basement, he'll emerge from his powder-blue Prius, decked in his purple yoga pants and 'Obama is cute AND dreamy!' t-shirt and sprinkle unicorn fairy-dust at the Oakland gang-bangers, whirling and chanting "NPR says your guns will be butter!" and POOF! we'll all have a My Pretty Pony jasmine-infused tea party right there in the Costco parking lot!

Posted by Peter Kluget
a resident of Danville
on Feb 21, 2014 at 9:55 am

Dave, I'm blown away by your wit and maturity. Knowing that folks like you own guns makes me feel safe and secure. The calm, level-headed attitude you display with your writing reassures me that you would be ready and able to respond appropriately to a fast-developing and ambiguous situation in a public place by using only the appropriate and necessary amount of deadly force. I only wish you had been at the Blackhawk theater last week when some jerk was texting during the previews. I'm thinking a little "law and order" would have set things straight, right?

Posted by Conservator
a resident of Danville
on Feb 21, 2014 at 10:33 am

@dave,

If you really put yourself into the hypothetical, would you 'draw' your own sidearm on another while your loading your bulk items into your Suburban (or whatever you drive) when the opportunity at Costco arose?

Would you trust the relative rough-looking fellow parked next to you to draw his weapon and fire his weapon in defense of justice and moral right? How about the silver-streaked gentlemen (probably like many of us) who walks a little slower and has a distinctive but unpredictable twitch to his hands retrieving his weapon and unleashing a few rounds in your general direction?

If a by-standing family member was mortally wounded as a result of unfortunate collateral damage inflicted by the responding 'ombudsman' or perhaps peacekeeper in your mind, would you sue the shootist or stand-down in the name of honor and civic duty?

Perhaps the anonymity of the Internet masks the aspect that you are actually a hardened combat veteran (Silver Star recipient?) earned in some faraway land such as Southeast Asia or the Middle East who is ready and at guard during any waking moment. I doubt it. Most that I know who have been so experienced don't take the time to craft sophomoric responses for Internet blogs to convey their desired machismo.

If your as old as I suspect that you are, you do realize that all those Gary Cooper and John Wayne movies were just Hollywood's version of life on the lawless frontier, right?

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