I don't know if this coaching staff is the one to lead this team over that hump anymore. Could be Carroll, could be Bevell.. etc. But it's looking more and more like this team is staring a .500 season in the face - and given the talent level on both sides, that is very disappointing.

So when does Pete Carroll hit the hot seat? 2013? The last 5 weeks if the team bottoms out? Not at all?

Hasselbeck wrote:I don't know if this coaching staff is the one to lead this team over that hump anymore. Could be Carroll, could be Bevell.. etc. But it's looking more and more like this team is staring a .500 season in the face - and given the talent level on both sides, that is very disappointing.

So when does Pete Carroll hit the hot seat? 2013? The last 5 weeks if the team bottoms out? Not at all?

Discuss.

Probably when we start getting blackouts. The season ticket waiting list is all but gone.

If we keep rolling out mediocre teams people are going to quit going. Pete then will, and should be fired.

Pete is not Magic. He had bare cupboards when he got here. He has turned us into a team that is on the verge of contending, what more could you ask for? Every single game we have been in, we have a rookie QB who we haven't even begun to build to his strengths yet. I wish we could lose one game without you nancies calling for PC, Bevell's, or Wilson's job. STFU.

our foundation is there, our QB is there, our Oline is young and still learning to play together. Yeah, these loses hurt, but playing as young as we are with the veteran leadership being a 30 year old FullBack or a safety that is in his 3rd year, there are going to be games were we biff it hard do to lack of maturity as players. We are still green.

Calling for heads after each loss, or even calling this team mediocre means your are not paying attention, and certainly not using your God Given logic.

He wasn't really on the hot seat from fans until now, but this was a big loss and it's easy to see why. Playoff picture at stake, we'd already used up the excuse of "we're just playing a good team on the upswing" for the Detroit loss, so this was the game where fans were like okay look if you drop it in Miami, you're not for real, as in, mediocre for yet another year.

It'll take him longer to lose Allen, but we need to start to win games like this next year. This year he probably is safe even if he loses out as JSea said.

Smoke wrote:Pete is not Magic. He had bare cupboards when he got here. He has turned us into a team that is on the verge of contending, what more could you ask for? Every single game we have been in, we have a rookie QB who we haven't even begun to build to his strengths yet. I wish we could lose one game without you nancies calling for PC, Bevell's, or Wilson's job. STFU.

our foundation is there, our QB is there, our Oline is young and still learning to play together. Yeah, these loses hurt, but playing as young as we are with the veteran leadership being a 30 year old FullBack or a safety that is in his 3rd year, there are going to be games were we biff it hard do to lack of maturity as players. We are still green.

Calling for heads after each loss, or even calling this team mediocre means your are not paying attention, and certainly not using your God Given logic.

All true but at some point all those great things need to lead to wins. We are looking at yet another 500 season. How many more will he get?

Smoke wrote:Pete is not Magic. He had bare cupboards when he got here. He has turned us into a team that is on the verge of contending, what more could you ask for? Every single game we have been in, we have a rookie QB who we haven't even begun to build to his strengths yet. I wish we could lose one game without you nancies calling for PC, Bevell's, or Wilson's job. STFU.

our foundation is there, our QB is there, our Oline is young and still learning to play together. Yeah, these loses hurt, but playing as young as we are with the veteran leadership being a 30 year old FullBack or a safety that is in his 3rd year, there are going to be games were we biff it hard do to lack of maturity as players. We are still green.

Calling for heads after each loss, or even calling this team mediocre means your are not paying attention, and certainly not using your God Given logic.

All true but at some point all those great things need to lead to wins. We are looking at yet another 500 season. How many more will he get?

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Remind me... who brought in all this fabled talent that should be doing better?

How bad were the Seahawks in 2008 and 2009 before Carroll and co arrived on the scene?

Which regime found a starting quarterback with franchise potential in the third round and had the spuds to start him as a rookie?

Which team beat the Patriots with a dramatic fourth quarter rally, is unbeaten at home, has put pride and belief back into this team and created an identity that was completely absent under Mora?

Today's a disappointing day. But anyone even talking about Carroll potentially being on the hot seat needs to get a grip.

I agree with your points, but I guess the question is, at what point do all the great personnel moves, great statement wins, and the team being "better" than they've been not outweigh compiling a legitimate winning season, which will mean finally improving their road woes, and a playoff berth? Next year? Fair or not, that time is coming.

Don't you think if there was a better coaching option at this point, that the Paul Allen would hire him. I don't understand how firing someone will fix the problem. Maybe you should suggest better replacement options?

Smoke wrote:Pete is not Magic. He had bare cupboards when he got here. He has turned us into a team that is on the verge of contending, what more could you ask for? Every single game we have been in, we have a rookie QB who we haven't even begun to build to his strengths yet. I wish we could lose one game without you nancies calling for PC, Bevell's, or Wilson's job. STFU.

our foundation is there, our QB is there, our Oline is young and still learning to play together. Yeah, these loses hurt, but playing as young as we are with the veteran leadership being a 30 year old FullBack or a safety that is in his 3rd year, there are going to be games were we biff it hard do to lack of maturity as players. We are still green.

Calling for heads after each loss, or even calling this team mediocre means your are not paying attention, and certainly not using your God Given logic.

All true but at some point all those great things need to lead to wins. We are looking at yet another 500 season. How many more will he get?

hawksfansinceday1 wrote:Pete will be on the hot seat after next season if, as is nearly always the case with this franchise, they finish the usual 7-9, 8-8, 9-7.

What if 9-7 = the post season?

Will he be on the hot seat then?

Remind me... what record did New York finish with last year before winning the Super Bowl?

It's rare and you know that Rob. I for one want better so the Hawks get home games in the playoffs. To answer your question though, no, I don't think Allen makes a move if they're 9-7, playoffs or not.

The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.

JSeahawks wrote:The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.

He no longer has a rookie QB J. Wilson's already past the rookie stage and if I can see it, Pete should be able to as well. Dude progresses through his reads like a 6 year vet and when was the last time he made a poor decision? He makes physical mistakes now and then (poor throws) but he hasn't made a mental mistake in the last 3 or 4 games that I can recall. I thought they should've thrown the hell out of the ball today to loosen up the Phins' defense. That goes along with what you said to be sure.

JSeahawks wrote:The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.

He no longer has a rookie QB J. Wilson's already past the rookie stage and if I can see it, Pete should be able to as well. Dude progresses through his reads like a 6 year vet and when was the last time he made a poor decision? He makes physical mistakes now and then (poor throws) but he hasn't made a mental mistake in the last 3 or 4 games that I can recall. I thought they should've thrown the hell out of the ball today to loosen up the Phins' defense. That goes along with what you said to be sure.

Actually I thought he made a crucial rookie mistake today. Should have thrown the ball into the dirt on that blown screen to Lynch instead of actually completing the pass. That cost us some critical yards. But overall, I agree that he doesnt play like a rookie.

JSeahawks wrote:The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.

He no longer has a rookie QB J. Wilson's already past the rookie stage and if I can see it, Pete should be able to as well. Dude progresses through his reads like a 6 year vet and when was the last time he made a poor decision? He makes physical mistakes now and then (poor throws) but he hasn't made a mental mistake in the last 3 or 4 games that I can recall. I thought they should've thrown the hell out of the ball today to loosen up the Phins' defense. That goes along with what you said to be sure.

The quicker they let RW throw the ball out the better, guy is special. Still too much safety pin diaper offense.

Smoke wrote:Pete is not Magic. He had bare cupboards when he got here. He has turned us into a team that is on the verge of contending, what more could you ask for? Every single game we have been in, we have a rookie QB who we haven't even begun to build to his strengths yet. I wish we could lose one game without you nancies calling for PC, Bevell's, or Wilson's job. STFU.

our foundation is there, our QB is there, our Oline is young and still learning to play together. Yeah, these loses hurt, but playing as young as we are with the veteran leadership being a 30 year old FullBack or a safety that is in his 3rd year, there are going to be games were we biff it hard do to lack of maturity as players. We are still green.

Calling for heads after each loss, or even calling this team mediocre means your are not paying attention, and certainly not using your God Given logic.

The bare cupboards thing is no longer valid, it's been 3 drafts and 3 free agencies since he got here. What more can we ask for? How about taking the next step. Only losers cherish losing by 3 points. A good loser is still a loser. It's a very small percentage of our group calling for heads to roll and neither am I, but I will say I am highly disappointed in Carroll's performance as well as that of the players. Hanging on to excuses that have little to no relevance to what is actually going I guess makes it easier to hide from it.

PC and the players do not deserve idol worship but some heat from the fans is due.

" Remember the men and women in uniform that have signed that blank check for us."

JSeahawks wrote:The one and only concern I have with Carroll is that offensively he seems to play not to lose, rather then play to win. I wish he would show more confidence in the players that he brought in and coached up. Hopefully that will happen next year when he no longer has a rookie quarterback.

He no longer has a rookie QB J. Wilson's already past the rookie stage and if I can see it, Pete should be able to as well. Dude progresses through his reads like a 6 year vet and when was the last time he made a poor decision? He makes physical mistakes now and then (poor throws) but he hasn't made a mental mistake in the last 3 or 4 games that I can recall. I thought they should've thrown the hell out of the ball today to loosen up the Phins' defense. That goes along with what you said to be sure.

Actually I thought he made a crucial rookie mistake today. Should have thrown the ball into the dirt on that blown screen to Lynch instead of actually completing the pass. That cost us some critical yards. But overall, I agree that he doesnt play like a rookie.

Yeah, I'll give you that one. He'll learn from trying to do too much when nothing's there though. Expect that's something we'll hardly ever see from him again considering how quickly he's progressed this year.

pinksheets wrote:I agree with your points, but I guess the question is, at what point do all the great personnel moves, great statement wins, and the team being "better" than they've been not outweigh compiling a legitimate winning season, which will mean finally improving their road woes, and a playoff berth? Next year? Fair or not, that time is coming.

I mean, how do you define a 'legitimate winning season'? Green Bay almost had a perfect season, and lost to a 9-7 team at home in the playoffs. Carroll's memo has to be to show gradual progression, building towards being a regular contender. To put a competitive team on the field. That's all you can ask for in the NFL, to be competitive. We might be 9-7 for the next three years. We might also make the post season for the next three years. What's a legitimate winning season?

Let's use some common sense here. This team has just identified a young, potential franchise quarterback. We have one of the youngest rosters in the league. The team is still growing and the current front office and staff have done a heck of a job. We're also competing in a newly competitive NFC West which just so happens to now include a red hot 49ers team. And yet we're still in position, as things stand, to make the post season for the second time in three years.

This team would have to regress big time next year... like 3-5 wins regression... for Carroll to be on the hot seat. If this team continues on the current path, the only people putting him on the hot seat will be people frequenting an internet message board who really should know better.

hawksfansinceday1 wrote:It's rare and you know that Rob. I for one want better so the Hawks get home games in the playoffs. To answer your question though, no, I don't think Allen makes a move if they're 9-7, playoffs or not.

New York won the Super Bowl with a 9-7 record. Green Bay won it in 2011 as a wildcard with a 10-6 record. The Cardinals made the Super Bowl in 2009 with a 9-7 record.

If you're regularly winning 9-10 games a season, you have a decent shot at making the post season. And once you get there, anything can happen.

cesame wrote:Idk how anyone can be overly satisfied with the job Pete has done this year.

4 losses against teams under .500

In 3 of those losses the team had the lead late but Carroll's defense surrendered game-winning drives

It has to change.

Yeah... forget the six wins - some of which have been damn impressive... let's concentrate on those four close losses.

hawksfansinceday1 wrote:It's rare and you know that Rob. I for one want better so the Hawks get home games in the playoffs. To answer your question though, no, I don't think Allen makes a move if they're 9-7, playoffs or not.

New York won the Super Bowl with a 9-7 record. Green Bay won it in 2011 as a wildcard with a 10-6 record. The Cardinals made the Super Bowl in 2009 with a 9-7 record.

If you're regularly winning 9-10 games a season, you have a decent shot at making the post season. And once you get there, anything can happen.

But... Seattle doesn't win on the road. Therefore they need home playoff games. Therefore they need a great regular season record. Therefore they need to win on the road. Therefore we're screwed.

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Are you seeing the improvement in this team? Is this young team growing and learning how to win? Are they building on what they have learned this season and in seasons past?

I think they are from last year. Looking at the beginning of this year to now the defense is playing worse and the offense (Russell Wilson) is playing better.

They are going through adversity. This sucks but I still think we'll be alright. Pete's not on the hotseat now for me. Next year he's definitely under evaluation. We have to fill some holes for sure. Defensive middle, another LB, a nickel. It's clearly a very serious issue at this point. Teams are exploiting it every week now when we are not at home with the noise.

hawksfansinceday1 wrote:It's rare and you know that Rob. I for one want better so the Hawks get home games in the playoffs. To answer your question though, no, I don't think Allen makes a move if they're 9-7, playoffs or not.

New York won the Super Bowl with a 9-7 record. Green Bay won it in 2011 as a wildcard with a 10-6 record. The Cardinals made the Super Bowl in 2009 with a 9-7 record.

If you're regularly winning 9-10 games a season, you have a decent shot at making the post season. And once you get there, anything can happen.

cesame wrote:Idk how anyone can be overly satisfied with the job Pete has done this year.

4 losses against teams under .500

In 3 of those losses the team had the lead late but Carroll's defense surrendered game-winning drives

It has to change.

Yeah... forget the six wins - some of which have been damn impressive... let's concentrate on those four close losses.

I need to get out of this thread.

You mean the 2 quality wins out of 6 that they have? With 1 of them being gifted to them?

The 6-5 record is beyond underwhelming given the schedule they've had.

I didn't think we'd be 13-3, nor do I want to count on going undefeated at home and squeaking out 1 road game a year. Feeling like we have to chock up road games as losses is unacceptable. That needs to be fixed.

I love me some PC but for some reason i can't get behind Bevel. He has called some good games but we play too conservative. i am so sick of the playing "not to lose" mentality. Even if Pete (being a defensive guy) requests that approach the offensive coordinator needs take charge and show why he has the job. Give the head coach some confidence in your plan. I personally don't believe Pete just wants a "YES man" at OC.

Smoke wrote:Pete is not Magic. He had bare cupboards when he got here. He has turned us into a team that is on the verge of contending, what more could you ask for? Every single game we have been in, we have a rookie QB who we haven't even begun to build to his strengths yet. I wish we could lose one game without you nancies calling for PC, Bevell's, or Wilson's job. STFU.

our foundation is there, our QB is there, our Oline is young and still learning to play together. Yeah, these loses hurt, but playing as young as we are with the veteran leadership being a 30 year old FullBack or a safety that is in his 3rd year, there are going to be games were we biff it hard do to lack of maturity as players. We are still green.

Calling for heads after each loss, or even calling this team mediocre means your are not paying attention, and certainly not using your God Given logic.

The bare cupboards thing is no longer valid, it's been 3 drafts and 3 free agencies since he got here. What more can we ask for? How about taking the next step. Only losers cherish losing by 3 points. A good loser is still a loser. It's a very small percentage of our group calling for heads to roll and neither am I, but I will say I am highly disappointed in Carroll's performance as well as that of the players. Hanging on to excuses that have little to no relevance to what is actually going I guess makes it easier to hide from it.

PC and the players do not deserve idol worship but some heat from the fans is due.