I grew up with TNG, and DS9 (which I never watched until 2-3 years ago) is superior. The first two seasons of DS9 may be dull, but the first two seasons of TNG are terrible. And DS9 just gets better and better as the seasons go on, while TNG sort of ran out of steam near the end.

elchip:Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.

I grew up with TNG, and DS9 (which I never watched until 2-3 years ago) is superior. The first two seasons of DS9 may be dull, but the first two seasons of TNG are terrible. And DS9 just gets better and better as the seasons go on, while TNG sort of ran out of steam near the end.

I'm going to have to disagree somewhat. The first season of TNG was awful. For the second Riker grew the beard and there was a marked uptick in the quality of the show.

What I don't like about DS9 is the long-term plot arcs. To me, it's supposed to be more episodic. They find a problem, struggle with the problem and solve the problem. In the end, things are just like they were in the beginning.

But that's just my preference. If Berman Trek gets your rocks off, then more power to ya.

Shostie:What I don't like about DS9 is the long-term plot arcs. To me, it's supposed to be more episodic. They find a problem, struggle with the problem and solve the problem. In the end, things are just like they were in the beginning.

I liked the long arc better than the episodes where no matter what happens to the crew or ship, it's all reset by the next episode.

sno man:cman: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.

Its farking ON asshole

DS9 was the greatest Trek ever.

Voyager sucked, yes; and Enterprise was even worse. But, DS9, that was the saving grace of the franchise.

Enterprise was farked by the writer strike Berman and Braga.... It should have been awesome.

When Manny Coto and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens took over for the final season, they did the show people wanted to see from the beginning instead of the Space Nazis in Time! show that made people tune out after season 2.

/sorry, don't feel like farking with fans of Nu-Trek tonight. We just did that last week.

Mugato:Shostie: What I don't like about DS9 is the long-term plot arcs. To me, it's supposed to be more episodic. They find a problem, struggle with the problem and solve the problem. In the end, things are just like they were in the beginning.

I liked the long arc better than the episodes where no matter what happens to the crew or ship, it's all reset by the next episode.

scottydoesntknow:"Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies into a dumbed-down franchise that fans disliked because it turned the characters into caricatures of themselves, had a ridiculous premise and made no farking sense! This is a travesty of the highest order!"

secularsage:scottydoesntknow: "Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies into a dumbed-down franchise that fans disliked because it turned the characters into caricatures of themselves, had a ridiculous premise and made no farking sense! This is a travesty of the highest order!"

I understand that in science fiction sometimes science has to take a backseat to storytelling, but the main problem I had with the new Trek movie is that I just couldn't connect with any of the characters. Kirk was a dickhead, Spock was a prick, Uhura was a biatch, and Scotty was a buffoon. Sulu, Mckoy and Chekov were okay, but just sort of "there". I honestly didn't care what happened to any of them. Kirk's path from cadet to captain was way too easy, at that--among other things--made it really hard for me to root for him.

Honestly, the whole movie felt more like bad fan fiction than legitimate Star Trek. That's the problem I had with it. I don't even mind the alternate universe. In fact, I think that's the best aspect of the new movies. They can tell new stories accessible to wider audiences without destroying established canon.

/I just didn't like any of the characters//Like the prequel trilogy versus the original Star Wars trilogy

DS9 is the best, and yet, always forgotten by everyone outside of some of us here on Fark. They always mention Voyager and Enterprise, but never DS9. Odd.

The new movie wasn't bad at all. I liked it. I didn't like how much of a douche they made Kirk. But I also didn't expect him to be a Shatner clone. However, this new Kirk was more hanging-off-cliffs yet still getting lucky than actually-being-damn-good at anything like Shatner's Kirk, who was the God Damn Batman of Star Trek. But maybe Pine's Kirk will be a little more seasoned (or whatever) this time around.

/DS9 wasn't Berman trek. That would be Voyager.//DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.