Many people have commented upon - and I suspect if they were to be honest have been deeply disappointed by, if not actually jealous of - the inner circles monopoly and exploitation of the BapDada on stage during the melas at Mount Abu.

I have to agree with them that it is unenlightened behaviour especially from such individuals who had decades of direct personal contact with it/them/Lekhraj Kirpalani.

If I was them, I'd be putting others forward, not exploiting the god spirit for my own benefit, asserting "my" importance on the basis of my closeness and control over it.

The other thing anyone with any brains would be perturbed by ... is that so much of the monopoly and exploitation is about such plainly moronic or purely business levell issues.

I mean why - if you really have god corked in Sister Gulzar's bottle - don't you engage him in some serious discussions or even set up some serious conversation with leading philosophers/scientists/intellectuals etc? In other words, people really worth inspiring.

For example, to allow him to be questioned and challenged ... over the claims, teachings and anamolies that have been made?

Is that not more to BKism, nevermind life, than "bache bache" and Shiv Shakti Army flag waving?

Eric, I think it was, recently commented on something as simple as the artlessness of a junior Didi switching the microphone off "on God" mid-speach ... Honestly, anyone who makes to a Baba Milan and then does not leave afterwards really is utterly fooling themselves.

For me the clincher that this is not god is the evidence of his leading products ... the activities of the BK inner circle.

Was it ever "special" for you ... or was it stage managed by the Seniors even back then?

Both.

There was always a minder at the time of meetings, usually Shiloo or Shashi, sometimes Nirwair, and others. They also acted as interpreters.

And face-to-face dristi can be intense, (it can be anything you bring to it) as many other similar situations, researchers, advertisers and performance artists have discovered (e.g. Marina Abramovich who ”gives” profound experiences without any presumptive, expectation creating, teachings, just the mere act of looking at each other).

Personal meetings for us at the time involved one-on-one dristi for about 30 seconds then anything from a sentence to a number of sentences called ”blessings”. Usually they were platitudes - "do you realise how lucky you are?” " You are one of the chosen?” etc etc.

But sometimes BD-Gulzar (whoever) did this thing which I did not realise at the time is a ‘trick’ done by many a sideshow huckster, guru, ‘clairvoyant” etc - the ability to ”read” people and tell them what they ’need’ to hear so it sounded amazingly personal and insightful.

Sometimes it was spot on, I mostly was given quite ‘unique’ ones, some of which made me feel ”special", a cut above. But sometimes what was said was so way off, either irrelevant or generic; the recipient was insulted by the glib and shallow, (dare i say?) body conscious content of their "personal blessing”. Some might be called "politically incorrect" these days e.g. blond haired, blue eyed English woman BK, single mum (initials JD) who saved for years to finally get there for her once in a lifetime personal meeting with ’god’ only to have ‘him’ say, not once or twice but thrice, the same thing - you are like a porcelain doll". She told me later how empty that made her feel, then angry.

”He" often said the same to Japanese women BKs, called them "Japanese dolls”. They went away confused. Many people were told the same stock standard phrases, almost BK fortune cookie stuff, even in subsequent visits they were told the same thing which many found disappointing.

What started to make me wonder was, after a number of years visiting and at least double that number of relatively lengthy personal meetings (I was one of the few who actually conversed with BapDada, commenting in return or asking a question), BD-Gulzar would still need to be told who I was as if it was a first encounter.

Pink Panther wrote:What started to make me wonder was, after a number of years visiting and at least double that number of relatively lengthy personal meetings (I was one of the few who actually conversed with BapDada, commenting in return or asking a question), BD-Gulzar would still need to be told who I was as if it was a first encounter.

Ah, well, you see ... God is the only soul who does not have a sanskar of remembering as he is the only soul who does not have to remember in the previous Confluence Age!!!

Was that true in the beginning too? Did the god spirit really have no memory from day to day or year to year? How did the early BK folk fit that with the idea that this is the ocean of knowledge and can memorize all this Gyan but not names or faces of people? Even if its at a soul level, when I see the videos of BapDada being introduced to Mohini, Janaki etc.... it does not compute for me... these are souls he ought to recognize.

EricCartman wrote: BapDada being introduced to Mohini, Janaki etc.... it does not compute for me... these are souls he ought to recognize.

That’s news. Was that something you saw directly, more than once? When I was around the BKs the Seniors like them were always recognised. It may be that senility is setting in or that Gulzar is doped up with painkillers or something?

I saw it directly in a live video transmission of BapDada milan around Aug-Sep 2016. I only saw 2 milans, one live streamed and the other live. My experience with the live one is at the start of this thread.

In the live stream, BapDada was being introduced to pretty much all the Seniors gathered on the stage. In the live one as well, Seniors were introduced by the announcer.

It's a case of The Emperor's Clothes, is not it? Except they haven't given the little boys pointing it out a job yet.

I suppose you could look at the archetype of the "little boy" psychoanalytically too ...

From that day on, the Emperor gave the little boy an important job in his palace because he was the only person that had told the truth. And, whenever the Emperor needed advice he would always ask the little boy first.

The last Baba Milan which was on 10th April was cancelled because Gulzar was sick so she couldn't make it to Abu, so What did the clowns at Madhuban do? They replayed an older video of previous Milan which was telecasted live on pmtv too.

The video had BapDada address the same parties (Andhra & Maharashtra) which had actually come this time too ... And the stage the "decorated" with all the "Seniors" on the Diamond Hall stage, watching the video on a TV. The rest watched on the gaint screens on either side ...

Surprisingly when BapDada/ Gulzar asked to raise hands ... like fools they did! When double foreigners were asked to get up ... like robots they all did, but confused where to look at? Seniors wavelength coming from the stage or their ghost spirit smiling from the screens ...

All others too got up on their turns to wave at the screens, clapped including the fat zone-in-charges in the front row. Putting up a show !

It seems even if Gulzar doesn't make it to the next season, the show will go on ... BTW, she is really sick and admitted to the ICU of Breach Candy in Mumbai ...