Wangiss:Theaetetus:Really? If you're saying that (i) there are steps she could voluntarily take that are guaranteed to reduce the risk of an assault; and (ii) she doesn't take those steps; then logically, isn't she intentionally avoiding reducing her risk?Of course, the premise is false, but plenty of people still believe in it.

No, but is it possible in your opinion that she may be negligently avoiding reducing her risk?

Nope, because one cannot be negligent with regard to an intentional tort or crime.

Theaetetus:Wangiss: Theaetetus:Really? If you're saying that (i) there are steps she could voluntarily take that are guaranteed to reduce the risk of an assault; and (ii) she doesn't take those steps; then logically, isn't she intentionally avoiding reducing her risk?Of course, the premise is false, but plenty of people still believe in it.

No, but is it possible in your opinion that she may be negligently avoiding reducing her risk?

Nope, because one cannot be negligent with regard to an intentional tort or crime.

Silly me, I thought words lawyers sometimes use could be used in non-lawyery senses as well. I really need to get that GED.

Wangiss:Theaetetus: Wangiss: Theaetetus:Really? If you're saying that (i) there are steps she could voluntarily take that are guaranteed to reduce the risk of an assault; and (ii) she doesn't take those steps; then logically, isn't she intentionally avoiding reducing her risk?Of course, the premise is false, but plenty of people still believe in it.

No, but is it possible in your opinion that she may be negligently avoiding reducing her risk?

Nope, because one cannot be negligent with regard to an intentional tort or crime.

Silly me, I thought words lawyers sometimes use could be used in non-lawyery senses as well. I really need to get that GED.

The words have meanings in a non-lawyerly sense too- or rather, the lawyerly sense reflects reality. If someone is going to commit an intentional act, then precautions may not be enough. Thus, failing to perform those precautions cannot be negligent, because the failure doesn't prevent the harm.

Consider if I told you to eat a grilled cheese sandwich to reduce your risk of getting into a fight. Say you didn't eat the sandwich, and you get punched that evening. Was there a causal relationship between eating the sandwich and getting punched? No. Therefore, you're not negligent for failing to eat the sandwich. You are not required to obey every warning, particularly the ones that are irrelevant, useless, and affect your lifestyle.

I'm not talking about isolated incidents. You can find improper investigations on any type of crime.

And of the women don't follow that warning, it's never spoken of again?

A few people will, of course, like I said before, how is this different than any other crime. You seem to be under the impression that that this is done more often with women who are victims of sexual assault but it's not. Point out any con and you will have people who blame the victims for being stupid. If you get hit by a drunk driver some people will say, "You shouldn't have been on the roads at 3am on a Friday".

Wait until the next high-profile rape thread.

Ok. And you do understand that there is a difference between acquittal, and the case falls apart because there's video taped evidence of the victim lying don't you?

Tat'dGreaser:GT_bike: Tat'dGreaser how dare you not consider outfits mean things, say something, and have intent.

Wow, you just compared the KKK to a woman in a short skirt.

And a football player, gangbanger, mooslim woman, bikini clad car washers who are all wearing clothing symbolically revealing what they do, believe and want us to think of them.

Would you stop at a carwash staffed by burka wearing chicks? Or maybe one staffed with some Bloods? Bikinis bring in the dirty cars every time.

You know this already and are hell bent on being an idiot who doesn't want to acknowledge that we dress for our intended audience. Scantily clad women know they are looking for attention and then cry when they get it from the wrong audience as though they didn't expect that the mailroom boy saw her assets and commented while the boss, client, co-worker she really wanted to impress said nothing.

Theaetetus:Wangiss: Theaetetus: Wangiss: Theaetetus:Really? If you're saying that (i) there are steps she could voluntarily take that are guaranteed to reduce the risk of an assault; and (ii) she doesn't take those steps; then logically, isn't she intentionally avoiding reducing her risk?Of course, the premise is false, but plenty of people still believe in it.

No, but is it possible in your opinion that she may be negligently avoiding reducing her risk?

Nope, because one cannot be negligent with regard to an intentional tort or crime.

Silly me, I thought words lawyers sometimes use could be used in non-lawyery senses as well. I really need to get that GED.

The words have meanings in a non-lawyerly sense too- or rather, the lawyerly sense reflects reality. If someone is going to commit an intentional act, then precautions may not be enough. Thus, failing to perform those precautions cannot be negligent, because the failure doesn't prevent the harm.

Consider if I told you to eat a grilled cheese sandwich to reduce your risk of getting into a fight. Say you didn't eat the sandwich, and you get punched that evening. Was there a causal relationship between eating the sandwich and getting punched? No. Therefore, you're not negligent for failing to eat the sandwich. You are not required to obey every warning, particularly the ones that are irrelevant, useless, and affect your lifestyle.

I'm not talking about isolated incidents. You can find improper investigations on any type of crime.

And of the women don't follow that warning, it's never spoken of again?

A few people will, of course, like I said before, how is this different than any other crime. You seem to be under the impression that that this is done more often with women who are victims of sexual assault but it's not. Point out any con and you will have people who blame the victims for being stupid. If you get hit by a drunk driver some people will say, "You shouldn't have been on the roads at 3am on a Friday".

Theaetetus:If someone is going to commit an intentional act, then precautions may not be enough. Thus, failing to perform those precautions cannot be negligent, because the failure doesn't prevent the harm.

I think many of us absolutely agree with that. It's not someones fault if they get targeted. They aren't negligent, just unlucky.However, it is a huge DISSERVICE to possible future victims to not inform them of ways they can reduce that risk.

NCg8r:what's disgusting is attributing rape to the 99.999999% of us who also find the act deplorable. effect you for your implication.

Because unlike every other crime in the world, suggesting crime prevention for sexual assault is unacceptable victim bashing. And also unlike every other crime in the world, all sexual abusers need is a good talking to and be told not to abuse anymore, and they will stop.

GT_bike:Scantily clad women know they are looking for attention and then cry when they get it from the wrong audience as though they didn't expect that the mailroom boy saw her assets and commented while the boss, client, co-worker she really wanted to impress said nothing.

This.Dressing for comfort is one thing, but when girls say they want to dress a certain way to feel "sexy", are they then allowed to complain when the public starts looking at them like they are sexy?

stonicus:GT_bike: Scantily clad women know they are looking for attention and then cry when they get it from the wrong audience as though they didn't expect that the mailroom boy saw her assets and commented while the boss, client, co-worker she really wanted to impress said nothing.

This.Dressing for comfort is one thing, but when girls say they want to dress a certain way to feel "sexy", are they then allowed to complain when the public starts looking at them like they are sexy?

/totally expect to get walloped for this comment

Look with your eyes, not your fingers.And yeah, ADA be damned, blind men don't get to look (without asking), sorry life sucks.

but seriously guys... use the corner of your eyes, stop drooling and keep it zipped.

Sticky Hands:but seriously guys... use the corner of your eyes, stop drooling and keep it zipped.

Thanks for telling us. Without the constant reminders, most of us men would likely whip it out and rub it in the face of every scantily clad women we saw. You know, because all men are sub-human freaks that only regard women as sex objects.

WhippingBoy:Sticky Hands: but seriously guys... use the corner of your eyes, stop drooling and keep it zipped.

Thanks for telling us. Without the constant reminders, most of us men would likely whip it out and rub it in the face of every scantily clad women we saw. You know, because all men are sub-human freaks that only regard women as sex objects.

WhippingBoy:Sticky Hands: but seriously guys... use the corner of your eyes, stop drooling and keep it zipped.

Thanks for telling us. Without the constant reminders, most of us men would likely whip it out and rub it in the face of every scantily clad women we saw. You know, because all men are sub-human freaks that only regard women as sex objects.

Thanks again, you condescending asshole.

While you've got that outrage against condescension worked up, you should talk to this guy:

Sticky Hands:However, it is a huge DISSERVICE to possible future victims to not inform them of ways they can reduce that risk.

He apparently thinks that, without constant reminders of how to dress and how to act, women would never realize that there are people who commit sexual assault.

Theaetetus:WhippingBoy: Sticky Hands: but seriously guys... use the corner of your eyes, stop drooling and keep it zipped.

Thanks for telling us. Without the constant reminders, most of us men would likely whip it out and rub it in the face of every scantily clad women we saw. You know, because all men are sub-human freaks that only regard women as sex objects.

Thanks again, you condescending asshole.

While you've got that outrage against condescension worked up, you should talk to this guy:Sticky Hands: However, it is a huge DISSERVICE to possible future victims to not inform them of ways they can reduce that risk.

He apparently thinks that, without constant reminders of how to dress and how to act, women would never realize that there are people who commit sexual assault.

Sticky Hands:Theaetetus: WhippingBoy: Sticky Hands: but seriously guys... use the corner of your eyes, stop drooling and keep it zipped.

Thanks for telling us. Without the constant reminders, most of us men would likely whip it out and rub it in the face of every scantily clad women we saw. You know, because all men are sub-human freaks that only regard women as sex objects.

Thanks again, you condescending asshole.

While you've got that outrage against condescension worked up, you should talk to this guy:Sticky Hands: However, it is a huge DISSERVICE to possible future victims to not inform them of ways they can reduce that risk.

He apparently thinks that, without constant reminders of how to dress and how to act, women would never realize that there are people who commit sexual assault.

Thanks for telling us. Without the constant reminders, most of us men would likely whip it out and rub it in the face of every scantily clad women we saw. You know, because all men are sub-human freaks that only regard women as sex objects.

Thanks again, you condescending asshole.

While you've got that outrage against condescension worked up, you should talk to this guy:Sticky Hands: However, it is a huge DISSERVICE to possible future victims to not inform them of ways they can reduce that risk.

He apparently thinks that, without constant reminders of how to dress and how to act, women would never realize that there are people who commit sexual assault.

ferretman:MythDragon: But according to my extensive research, asian woman want to be molested/loved-raped on subways. Thats why they ride them.[cache.thisorth.at image 320x480]According to my research.

She's blushing...so she's enjoying it.

That's whay I told the farking judge! Still got 3 years. Maybe that excuse only works in Japan.

women think that sex is power, and want to flex that power. They must therefore transplant responsibility for displaying it away from themselves and onto society. thats why this thread is 400 comments.

ha-ha-guy:zarberg: I have no idea if it's true or not, but I've heard that groping got so bad on the subway system in Tokyo that they started putting women's only cars at the ends of the train. From how the story goes, it backfired - guys started assuming that any women not in those cars (which were routinely so full you couldn't get on them) wanted to be groped.

The women only cars are true. Although my understanding is they're only there during high density times. Really that's the worst time for the groping. Since the guys can just play it off like they bumped against you or something. It's rare to see a guy cross a half empty car, sit down beside you, and feel you up.

/of course it is rare to see a half empty car on that system most of the time

CSB:I'm on the Tokyo subway with a Japanese-American coworker. Guy gropes her. She turns around and slams the heel of her hand right into his nose. He can't really fall down because the car is too packed, but he recoils as much as possible and starts screaming as blood comes out of his nose. She stands there and tells him near perfect Japanese:

"I'm American, you may remember us from the 1940s".

Utter silence on the car after that. Despite the fact it was packed, she somehow got a halo of space around her for the rest of the trip.

Holy God, I wish I could have seen that. When I was in Korea, some of the more obnoxious of my group liked to chat up random locals on public transportation, because they were usualy too shy and didnt speak enough english to tell the douchebag to go away.

One day a guy sits next to this korean chick on the bus, and starts spouting off about how he'd like to take her home and rock her world. She looks over at him, and in perfect farking English says "Do I know you, or are you just a lonely creep?" He was too stunned to do anything but go find another seat and sit in silence while the rest of us laughed at him. I stopped hanging out with those guys as I didnt want to find out the pissed of a karate master one day.

lazyguineapig33:women think that sex is power, and want to flex that power. They must therefore transplant responsibility for displaying it away from themselves and onto society. thats why this thread is 400 comments.