How about another trade up?

This guy. I know you guys probably think I'm crazy but I think he's going to be damn good. Reminds me a lot of Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal. Both 6'3, athletic QB's who are pocket passers and can move around the pocket and make plays on the run. Great mechanics and his strongest skill is his accuracy. Mold him behind Romo for 2-3 years, much like Green Bay did with Rodgers and Favre, and he could be one of the best in the league in 3-4 years. Plus, he's Garrett's kind of guy: Classy individual who's a film room junky and has a high football IQ. If the Chiefs pass on him for some reason, Arizona won't and I'd love to see him in Dallas. Trade up and grab him. If you have an opportunity to grab a franchise QB, you do it, no matter what. Draft him, then use the other picks on O-Line/D-Line and sign free agent S Jairus Byrd from Buffalo. That'd be an amazing offseason.

This guy. I know you guys probably think I'm crazy but I think he's going to be damn good. Reminds me a lot of Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal. Both 6'3, athletic QB's who are pocket passers and can move around the pocket and make plays on the run. Great mechanics and his strongest skill is his accuracy. Mold him behind Romo for 2-3 years, much like Green Bay did with Rodgers and Favre, and he could be one of the best in the league in 3-4 years. Plus, he's Garrett's kind of guy: Classy individual who's a film room junky and has a high football IQ. If the Chiefs pass on him for some reason, Arizona won't and I'd love to see him in Dallas. Trade up and grab him. If you have an opportunity to grab a franchise QB, you do it, no matter what. Draft him, then use the other picks on O-Line/D-Line and sign free agent S Jairus Byrd from Buffalo. That'd be an amazing offseason.

that's not true. Bruce Irvin, Rosevelt Coleman, Derrick Thomas and Peter Boulware are all guys who did the same thing, so Denver didn't create anything.

Not sure what point you're trying to make, 6'2 clearly is big enough to play 3-4 OLB and his production warrants him being taken that high.

My point is that 3-4 teams rarely if ever draft a 6-2 OLB in the top 10. It would be much a safer pick for a 4-3 team to draft J. Jones and play him in a role similar to Von Miller. It seems especially questionable with Bjoern Werner and Damontre Moore available.

Derrick Thomas played in a 3-4 and Bruce Irvin was drafted after Von Miller. The Ravens moved to a 3-4 while Boulware was on the team.

I would have different opinion if we were not talking about the top 10. I was highly in favor of the Cowboys drafting Bruce Irvin last year IF he was available in the 2nd round or even if they had to trade up into the late 1st. I didn't think he was a perfect fit for the Cowboys scheme, but he was a special athlete. Irvin's burst is the best I ever seen.

My point is that 3-4 teams rarely if ever draft a 6-2 OLB in the top 10. It would be much a safer pick for a 4-3 team to draft J. Jones and play him in a role similar to Von Miller. It seems especially questionable with Bjoern Werner and Damontre Moore available.

And 3-4 teams rarely drafted OLBs early in round 1, why because Pittsburgh was the only team that ran it for so long, that they could get first round talented players, who were tweeners in like rounds 4-7. But now that everyone runs it, Pittsburgh once again is ahead of the curve and is taking guys later who are "undersized" but are working out great.

xwalker;4903765 said:

Derrick Thomas played in a 3-4 and Bruce Irvin was drafted after Von Miller. The Ravens moved to a 3-4 while Boulware was on the team.

Looked it up, I was wrong on Thomas, but I know Boulware's best years were as a 4-3 OLB. It wasn't till the end of his career that they switched. And Rosevelt Colvin was a pretty good player on the Bears before going to NE (which ran a 3-4).

xwalker;4903765 said:

I would have different opinion if we were not talking about the top 10. I was highly in favor of the Cowboys drafting Bruce Irvin last year IF he was available in the 2nd round or even if they had to trade up into the late 1st. I didn't think he was a perfect fit for the Cowboys scheme, but he was a special athlete. Irvin's burst is the best I ever seen.

Like I said in my post to RS12, reguardless of how high they go, we can't argue that the 6'3 and under guys are just as good as the 6'4 and up guys, so I see no reason to knock a guy on height if they fit in with what we see is successful. Now if he were 6'1, I'd be more hesitant and if he were 6'0, I likely wouldn't take him in round 1, but 6'2 is perfectly fine.

If there was a top-tier DLineman then I'd do it but there is none. And I don't think an offensive lineman is worth giving up that much for when you can just stay at your normal pick and take someone, especially at RT.

This guy. I know you guys probably think I'm crazy but I think he's going to be damn good. Reminds me a lot of Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal. Both 6'3, athletic QB's who are pocket passers and can move around the pocket and make plays on the run. Great mechanics and his strongest skill is his accuracy. Mold him behind Romo for 2-3 years, much like Green Bay did with Rodgers and Favre, and he could be one of the best in the league in 3-4 years. Plus, he's Garrett's kind of guy: Classy individual who's a film room junky and has a high football IQ. If the Chiefs pass on him for some reason, Arizona won't and I'd love to see him in Dallas. Trade up and grab him. If you have an opportunity to grab a franchise QB, you do it, no matter what. Draft him, then use the other picks on O-Line/D-Line and sign free agent S Jairus Byrd from Buffalo. That'd be an amazing offseason.

We do not have a 7th rounder this year we gave it to Miami for Ryan Cook. I would not be happy with a trade for him(give me the talented but flawed QB from Vtech in the fourth), especially with the dire needs on the Oline and Dline squeaking each and every game. I would not be elated to trade up this year with all the help we need and the first three rounds being critical to a good draft it does not make sense for the long term health of the team. Last year we upgrade one position defensive backs with the draft and FA, this year we need to significantly improve two of four positions Oline, Dline, Safeties, Olbs and not necessarily in that order. It can be done and I think it takes hitting on some fringe players(like we did with Carter and Sean Lee).

Hey, you know how when the Cowboys made their trade up for Claiborne everybody said they were really happy about it but just never figured it was an option so that's why they never really talked about Morris?

Let's prevent that this time. What player, if any, would you be okay with seeing the Cowboys make another similar trade up for? We're talking losing your 2nd round pick again to get into the top 10.

I would trade up for Star Lotulelei though it might be quite expensive to trade up as high as he will probably go and where we will probably end up in the draft.

This guy. I know you guys probably think I'm crazy but I think he's going to be damn good. Reminds me a lot of Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal. Both 6'3, athletic QB's who are pocket passers and can move around the pocket and make plays on the run. Great mechanics and his strongest skill is his accuracy. Mold him behind Romo for 2-3 years, much like Green Bay did with Rodgers and Favre, and he could be one of the best in the league in 3-4 years. Plus, he's Garrett's kind of guy: Classy individual who's a film room junky and has a high football IQ. If the Chiefs pass on him for some reason, Arizona won't and I'd love to see him in Dallas. Trade up and grab him. If you have an opportunity to grab a franchise QB, you do it, no matter what. Draft him, then use the other picks on O-Line/D-Line and sign free agent S Jairus Byrd from Buffalo. That'd be an amazing offseason.

i like your thinking, but i would almost bet everything i had that isnt going to happen