Former generals promote anti-torture bill

About three-dozen retired military officers with combat experience in World War II, Korea, Vietnam and Iraq met privately near the Pentagon last week to discuss their support for a new anti-torture law, oppose White House efforts to water it down and press reluctant colleagues to join them publicly.

The seperation between civilian leadership that has not experienced war because of having something "better to do" becomes clearer in the torture discussions. Countries with ticking time bombs walking the streets like Israel finds less need (not no need) for torture and extraordinary rendition than the US. Does their perception have something to do with the civilian leadership understanding the nature of war?