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May 28, 2019

Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)

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Though I haven't been doing too well on this, I'll try to remember to always have an Open Thread showing in the Recent Posts section in the right sidebar. If one isn't showing, I've added an Open Threads category in, naturally, the Categories section. You can always find an Open Thread that way.

So if you're a believer in some form of religion, mysticism, or spirituality, this is where you can put your "praise God," "praise Guru," or "praise _______" comments.

Georgy Porgy, it isn't that a little free speech is allowed. A LOT of free speech is allowed. Show me a religious blog or web site that allows such free wheeling discussion. Does RSSB allow this? Of course not. Only us open minded atheists are so welcoming of comments from all sorts of people.

The only people who are banned from leaving comments on anything other than Open Threads are those who repeatedly and blatantly abuse this blog's commenting policy. Currently, just "777" and Ashy, who uses many names.

I invite everybody on this subject to add layman's info in a simple way
for instance that the central processors can only work
at nearly 0° Kelvin for Super Colliding
All this is fascinating
Especially that countries want to be the first and underestimate
they are creating the biggest collusion ( haha ) ever

Brian
You’re losing it big guy.
In your earnest search for Truth and reality you go and muller Anon.
Shame on you.
A person your age should know better.

Posted by: Michael
_______

ME:
From this asylum place, I agree of course
A control freak
This is a real bitter angry , physically and early mentally damaged old man without joy or any kindness
except for himself
I invite everybody to read the havoc he made in the other ( Salem ) blog
about almost everything and lately while negotiating a car

Even his 'friends' ask if he is crazy in comments there
beacause of its integrated constant dishonesty
never answering a question that is to difficult
This bitterness he wants to spread over the whole globe

All about a book that was refused and the 'humiliation' of
staying at guard before Gurinders window

Ofc all the words here enforce the ego while destroying the mental
It cannot be repaired in actual life
while also on the scientific side he just copies pages all the time
and he is always wrong

There are many people who have stood guard during GSD's official visits abroad, including me. There's nothing humiliating about it. At the time you feel privileged for the honor. Writing books or giving satsangs, or any other seva is considered a privilege. With this privilege comes arrogance, entitlement and ego. I found myself doing it or becoming aware of it and it made me sick. A lot of people have it, and a few don't.

One example of this is that all sevadars have to park away from the main hall. But hey, if you're in the "Management Team", you can park right next to the main doors. Some even have the balls to park in the handicap spots because they don't want to have to walk the extra 20 feet.

Once you understand the behind the scenes antics of the senior sevadars at these RSSB locations, you find nepotism. Majority of these individuals don't get rotated in the seva rotation. It's created a a kind of class system within the sevadars. If you have a degree or high education, you certainly can't put them out in the scorching heat to park cars or do pat downs. What nonsense!

When they can't find any higher educated individuals to man the "cushy" seva's they go down the totem pole to the next group of people. Kind of like the Hindu caste system... Brahmins, the Khatriya's an so on. If you've been coming for seva for years but don't meet the invisible criteria, then you get called next.

Of course they deny this, but when you get up close and hear the discussions and see it in action, it's there.

Hehe, I enjoyed reading that comment Amar.........seeing as my main seva at Haynes Park UK for a couple of years was shovelling the shit in the compost heap. It was my compost heap!! Well, to be honest, I was probably more like second in command of the compost heap.....if there was nobody else around.

Hey, which country are you from? UK? If you were watching movies in the 70s, have done any kind of regular seva at Haynes back in the late 90s, I'd be surprised if we hadn't met??

Like the generals serving trump ( without capital )
then sacked - I' m sure the whole pentagon has been pissef off
and secretly changed the codes ( as a start. :-)

So our blogger served with pleasure like the wh people started
next can eat him alive

Me at 82 have a nice shocker and am curious who on the blog finds the following also cool
like I do
It's not " With the help of my friend" but anyaweh
I mean especially the guy at 08:45 with the yellow guitar

Porgy said :
"S
Yes I like a porky.
You saying we should not judge?
Why you not tell that to the judgers?"

me:
If Somebody would come up
with definite proof
in "black on white"

of these blamers here
nobody would react
and they would all put their head in the sand. . . .

Just as happened with my hyper fabulous miracles I told here
( google hinessight 777 vivaldi )
where I invited anybody to ask me email that proof
that is the Riviera's "nice-matin" journal
and only some wanted to see that

Such worse than Archie Bunker hypocritic state of mind
leads to much worse than hell

Nobody will punish - you perfectly organized that yourselves with hate

""". Wow, that's kind of strange. They actually sold off an active satsang center building. From the Google Maps image, it has the Science of the Soul Study Center verbiage and the logo on the building. Maybe the sangat isn't very large there or it's declining in that area?
Posted by: Amar | June 19, 2019 at 08:02 AM """""

@One
We could ask ourselves (((( if believing the gossippers )))))
How long bad Gurinder might be able to continue this protection?
Je Rigole

I was reading the following nice text at the US Nirankari Mission 40M Members

- By William Samuel
LETTERS TO ONE JUST BEGINNING THIS STUDY (1)
David replies, "This sounds as if I will lose my identity. I certainly don't want to do that. As a matter of fact, I am searching for identity."
Dear David,
When we begin with Awareness we find we lose nothing that is real, most certainly not the Identity. Rather, we let go the notions of an identity we have never been.
We lose the unhappiness, loneliness, lack, poor health and fear inevitably associated with a misidentification called "the old man," his intellect, his cherished common sense and his high opinions of himself.
So, we shuck the old ideas and let them go, David. We bring attention back to this real and present fact of Awareness. Awareness is a fact; we know it; we are it; nothing is
outside of it. Here, we discover the true Identity!

@Porgy
You v read nothing yet
You & Bess may read some older stuff on 777
Once they wanted me on the Gaddi but I managed to change their ideas
by some confessions and one shocker
So that was fixed
to the point of banning by the guy who thinks that 1*0=1
Further I m in an extreme perfect state
Will soon be born in the UK

The owner here becomes experiences shock & awe
up to fainting
when he hears that someone hears the Gorgeous Sound or
got inner revelations, sees his past & future lives
and this Path is The Truth
So, in my 400 comments, U can google on 777 UK and more
They are ALL different than mainstream

My parents, however, will go to the US (me too, haha)
because of unbearable situations from the climate

In that time there will be also a Lady Satguru
Also the Path will be much easier even to practise
and Darshan goes through the holographic 32K TV
Nobody needs to travel
But google a little to prevent a heart attack

Hi 777
1*0=00000000000000000.00000000 to infinity.
The infinitesimal that contains all creation. Everything is within zero.
Take 1, and add a zero, 10, you have a factor of ten.
Add another zero, 100, a factor of 100 times!
Keep adding zeros and you increase in value infinite fold.

When you add every single zero, the whole grows to infinite proportions. And yet each zero, as nothing, costs nothing, but increases value.

When you add one tiny zero to ten billion, you get one hundred billion!

Do not fear that Master Brian Ji is adding zero every day. Zero after zero after zero. He knows what he is doing. He is making an infinite truth out of One. How many zeros can you add?

1*0=00000000000000000.00000000 to infinity.
The infinitesimal that contains all creation. Everything is within zero.

Take 1, and add a zero, 10, you have a factor of ten.

Small technical detail, Spence Ji. Strictly speaking, "Take 1, and add a zero"
is multiplicative not additive. Reductively, it's 1 added to itself repetitively of
course for a "factor of ten" so you're right in that sense.

But zero isn't one. The magic was in the "one", that glorious "One"... multiplying
before your eyes... dancing with itself.

Hi Dungeness
All math is addition and subtraction. The rest are just ways to understand.

Multiplication, even exponential values, is simply a form of addition.

And division, rightly understood, is subtraction.

This is why 777 and Georgy err. They divide, which is really subtraction on a wholesale degree....

Except when you divide by a divided value, it becomes higher.

And when you divide by zero, you return to Infinity!

The One is all there is, all this. So to criticize or divide, or attack is simply subtraction.

But if you accept it as One, and you yourself as an infinitely small part, truly, if you realize yourself as zero. Then you become infinite. You are part of this creation, inseparable.

As for Baba Ji, you see it's easy to encourage him to pay his bills because he is no more right or wrong than anyone or anything else. He is my Brother. So we should all encourage each other. If we are all zero there is no reason to criticize, but every reason to acknowledge reality and encourage and help each other.

If Baba Ji raised my son, as He did, naturally I would like to help him when he gets into financial trouble. He just leveraged himself. It happened in the US in the 1929s. People were so sure of the strength of their financial judgment. They weren't bad people. They were human beings.

Well, experience is a great teacher, but she does send in horrific bills. We should lean what we can. If the school loans are so high at least we should get the degree.

So can't we all learn?

We're all One and not anything separate. 777 or Georgy are no better than the local gas station attendant or the poorly paid prostitute. Every one has nobility and failings.

So when you meditate, just be zero and enjoy the Shabd. 777 didn't invent it! It's part of nature.

1 only becomes great because of zero.
The creation is infinite because of zero.
Without zero there is no value. But just as One exists, so does zero.
Become zero and you have the lever upon which the entire creation exists.

We are all our own guru. Have the fortitude and strength to look within yourself for the guidance you need. We all seek help from people we trust. Nothing wrong with that. We just don't fall over, prostrating in front of our favorite high school teacher do we?
Have the sense to develop your inner strength, instead of relying on someone else to do it for you.

If his past lives go back to Soami Ji, then what is he doing here in this life?

The mind is a very creative machine, and can dream up all sorts of shit. You can't give credence to this stuff. If one is obsessed with Elvis, all your waking and dream states will revolve around Elvis. The mind can make all sorts of "images" seem real.

All math is addition and subtraction. The rest are just ways to understand.

Multiplication, even exponential values, is simply a form of addition

Yes, and all arithmetic representations can be reduced to sequences
of binary operations as well. But, thank god, we don't do that. We
obviated the unwieldy tedium of "add A to itself B times" for example
by abstracting that sequence of steps and coining the word "multiply"
for it. Nifty, huh?

As for Baba Ji, you see it's easy to encourage him to pay his bills because he is no more right or wrong than anyone or anything else. He is my Brother. So we should all encourage each other. If we are all zero there is no reason to criticize, but every reason to acknowledge reality and encourage and help each other.

Encourage? The blog choir expressed unambiguously that "He" GSD
was guilty even before the HC ruling, Now the same shrill voices intimate
that the ruling is conclusive of his personal, deliberative intent to defraud.
They sermonize about his greed, the possession of a jet and vast property
holdings.

They pronounce his family's silence to be the final spike in their group coffin.
You personally opine that GSD will "die under house arrest awaiting trial' or
moral equivalent. I forget the exact words of vitriol... but it hardly matters.
You simply meant to express "He is my Brother. So we should all encourage
each other.", right?

You add benevolently "I would like to help him when he gets into financial
trouble. He just leveraged himself". 'He'. again. Really? How do ya know
what happened? Blogger ESP? Obvious inference to be drawn from the
"facts" hinted at in the news? Divine intuition after soul travel to the inner
planes?

Couldn't Shabnam or sons or Sunny or others been pulling a few of the
financial levers behind the scenes? Were they all mindless surrogates,
hapless zombies under his control? Gosh, can ya read hearts and minds
too? Do ya know what "evil lurks in the hearts of men"? I thought only the
"Shadow" knew.

Think that encouraging mantra "Pay da man, Dude" will do the trick? Say
a few thousand rounds of it and we're sure to set that naughty Guru back
on the path of righteousness again? Or perhaps smears and insinuations
of shame and house arrest will be more effective.

Hi Dungeness
I get the sarcasm.
But commenting on my commenting is just adding an opinion to an opinion.
Which, I guess, is what blog commenting is all about.

Unless one is sharing something new.
You have shared your view of events... Let's wait and see.

My view is that the court has made its determination. Like Enron, we don't actually know the individual players and can only comment on the news reports and the court documents. They do not go away. They aren't imaginary numbers. They are real numbers, even if they don't square with our beliefs. Irrational numbers are real numbers too.

"The blog choir expressed unambiguously that "He" GSD
was guilty even before the HC ruling,"

Often times people are correct and don't need officials to think for us. This was one of those cases, and yet you're still in denial about it.

When the subject is Gurinder, it makes you look insane to object to Gurinder being talked about. Most people here are ex satsangis, and we're not gonna focus on Godhwani or the Gurus sons and wife because we were never in those peoples cults, nor do any of those people have anywhere near the amount of status and power.

It'll probably be even harder for you to accept when you find out that Gurinder's wife has almost nothing to do with any of this other than having her name written on things she likely knows nothing about.

Your need for Gurinder to be less guilty than those around him is clearly more delusional than our observation that historically, the people in real positions of power actually have power and that they can misuse it. It's not a very revolutionary analysis and is maybe more true of religious figures. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that your savior Ishwar Puri has women around him who most of the sangat doesn't know about. Side chicks are essentially ubiquitous in the guru world.

Your repetitive protest sounds weirder and more desperate every time you repeat it. The more evidence coming out, the more your protests turn into Shakespearean deflections. Just accept what's right in front of you. Big men that you fetishize should be fetishized for their mafia personalities more than for being angels. Either way you can keep your fetish, Dungeness.

I had a lot of experiences and and also saw family members
being lucky and unlucky

Saints will never ask inner financial advice

It can be done on the lower chakra levels
on the lower spheres level but not to low
but you will have to pay for both karma_wise

it is as easy to lose 2billion when trading, . . it's all destiny!

@Amar
When you really meditate as opposed to contemplation
that is : when the inner dialogue ( thoughts ) are no more
there are many possibilities
No two meditations are the same

The best is (when allowed) let yourself absorb in the Holy
Sound and go where that goes
It is only possible by first unify by (love) with somebody
already in a High Place ( time_space_environment )

But before
there are so many adventures
Masters give all the time specialities
and 'knowledge' about former lives is one

This is not like remembering
It is totally living that episode again
You can understand by comparing with a normally dying guy who suddenly in a kind of flash sees his whole life again happening as if he is INTO it again

Real meditation is a lot of fun

But to me it seems difficult if one is filled with jealousy / even hate

Ishwar Puri is a cool communicator, even at his old age. Has a different way of connecting to his audience. I've seen quite a few of his Youtube videos, and he's not preaching, he's having a conversation. Very refreshing, not a like a sermon in Church or at an RSSB satsang, which can be a bit heavy and dogmatic.

At the end of the day, he's just a disciple of Sawan Singh who has attracted people to him because he has stories about him and is a great communicator. That's what draws people to him. Other than his different delivery of Sant Mat, he's just a knock off of RSSB.

Before you get your shorts in a knot about his initiations, David Lane did extensive experiments on students in his classes and was able to show them experiences with sound and light on their first attempt. Nothing magical there. He did this over and over with different classes over the span of a few weeks. Choose to believe in what you want to believe in. Use some discretion and do your homework.

Dungeness, you wrote: "The overwhelming crescendo of psycho-babble about GSD's greed and fraudulence belies that claim of "we don't actually know the individual players and only comment
on news reports and court documents"."

I have to say it becomes a slippery slope trying to justify the actions of GSD based on the filings and the court order to pay the money back. We can only speculate at the level of money he is directly being called out on, since the bulk of it actually is in both of his son's names, and probably invested jointly with him. I have to reiterate, who cares how much. It's the fact that there is money owed. If it was owed, why didn't he pay it back? Why is the court forcing him and his family members to pay it back?

If a good friend came to you and said I'm thinking of following an Eastern religion with a guru as it's head, and asked you for your opinion, what would you say to the friend? "I did my homework, looks like he's involved in fraudulent money siphoning, under court orders to pay, along with his family and close friends." Would you advise your good friend to join the religion and start following this guru, in good conscience, would you really?

If it was my good friend, and I saw this about the guru, I would say hell no, stay clear! So honestly Dungeness, what would you tell your good friend?

Georgy, you wrote: "Amar - but how do you know it’s the mind? Perhaps he’s an adept at surfing the astral highways and byways of time."

Georgy, with all due respect, how on earth can you rationalize what 777 writes about past lives and so on, purely on face value, yet you doggedly dismiss GSD's court order to pay his loans back to the high court? So the courts have taken Malvinder's submissions and acted on them. Done. On record, Court ruling to pay the high court back. No disparaging remarks here, man. Just trying to circle your square...

I have to say it becomes a slippery slope trying to justify the actions of GSD based on the filings and the court order to pay the money back.

No, I don' justify any of GSD or his family's actions. The court's ruling is clear.
They must repay fraudulent loans.

But, that thirst for fairness must extend to the accused to. The narrative here
is unmistakeable: GSD is a greedy, low-life fake Guru at the nexus of all the
fraudulence, who's therefore guilty, whose silence and delay in repayment
make him a "Guru style mini Madoff".

But, as mentioned before, there has been financial criminality as well as an
alleged death threat or two. In this fraught circus atmosphere, GSD's lawyer
may well have counseled GSD to remain silent until the "opportune time".

Who knows the extent of complicity of GSD's other family members, the
Godhwani's, and other shadowy bit players. Who knows to what extent
anything GSD says or does would prejudice juries or seemingly exonerate
other bad actors in this drama.

Of course, the omniscient here in Blog Court opine he should confess now,
have a good cry with forgiving brothers and sisters, hastily liquidate all
assets, auction the rest, and commence instantly a repayment plan. The
Blog Brethren will put forth, out of pure love, a sermon for him on living a
more saintly lifestyle too.

Meanwhile, speculation is rife in this "Guru's Gone Bad" contest. One has
GSD "dying under house arrest" while awaiting sentencing. Another muses
Ishwar Puri likely has a "side chick". Don't all guru's? References to Rajinder,
the late disgraced Oregon Osho, etc. pepper the Blog "Hall of Shame".
GSD has already been voted in.

Yes I’m already inspired. Anyone that happy is on whacky weed, but 777 calls it the Shabd. Must be good stuff. I believe one has to be veggetarian and no booze for 1 year before initiation. Thereafter it sounds like a permanent party if 777 is anything to go by.

I’d still like to know what his future lives are but he’s closed up shop.

Recently in my youtube account, Recommended for me, there was a youtube by some guru, and I thought oh no, not another one, looked like Charan, with the turban and grey beard and moustache.

Anyway, watched a few videos and then lots more. I thought wow, this guy is on my wavelength, talking about taking back one's own personal power. Okay, no-one is perfect and he will also have his imperfections but here are some quick notes I took from one of his talks.....

There is no meaning, no purpose.

The Trap - self preservation and self imprisonment - sense of identity and security - work for balance - lose psychological structure which is the Trap, security, stability - Feel secure? its a Trap - don't look for a purpose - insane people have purpose in many ways - want to destroy the world - this is purpose - purpose of life is to live and to live totally - explore every aspect of life - ultimate freedom is the goal - the creator is everything - mukti is 'release, deliverance'.

If you are too full of yourself you are not conscious of Grace - grace is that which is the basis of everything - what makes life happen, we don't know - that energy, that force, which is making everything happen, we call it Grace - become sensitive, not ego sensitive, become life sensitive - we create illusions, with no illusions we are open to grace - no conclusions about anything, you will be soaked in grace - grace will work for you if you are conscious - Develop capability to draw sustenance from life - exude grace and it will attract - we are already in grace - all that is happening is grace - people take into themselves and then let nasty things out - learn the way of the tree and the rock you will exude grace - be capable of exuding the grace that you consume.

In future heavens will collapse but human longing will not stop, take charge of own inner experience, about dreaming, creating bliss, from self not from alcohol and drugs intoxication, which is regressive step.
............................

If anyone here thinks I am giving away my own personal power like when I was initiated into Sant Mat, its not so. After watching this fella's videos I feel very self empowered and not in an egoistic manner.

Hi Dungeness
My friends and family, whom I've discussed this story, are very sympathetic, for I've been Satsangi for some time.

But they all believe as you have sarcastically written, that he took advantage of the situation to enrich himself.

I have no idea. He simply needs to pay his bills, and for me, all is restored.

But its only those on the path or close to the Master (at least in their heart) who are insulted by the possibility that he has human failings and human strengths.

Everyone else expects it. What you wrote sarcastically is how others from the outside see this. And they don't say "he's a crook" because they are polite. They look a me with concern and ask "what are you going to do now?"

But the presumption is there, and they might be right.

It is common for Gurus to be corrupt,but this is a recent development, since people are empowered to speak to their experience and to hold each other accountable.

But it is also common that the followers are the last ones to put it together.

Hi Jen
Those are simple truths well spoken. It has to come through someone, but as you point it, you don't give anything away by acknowledging the beautiful and truthful expression of others.
He got it from somewhere. When you cite others you get it from somewhere. What is important is the truthfulness, the resonance with one's own sentiment.

Dear Sri Pooran Sant Satguru Maharaj Huzur Baba Amar Ji - thank YOU for YOUR gracious revelation, it is more than enough evidence for me to accept YOU as my Holy and Merciful Master Baba.

I wasn't sure whether to accept YOURS or 777's testimony, but as YOUR most gracious and merciful intervention apparently occurred before WW3 was averted, and 777's claim on G-Units (The OG himself, Gugu) behalf several days after, I am forced to accept YOUR claim as the most eminent.

What other possible reasonable and rational conclusion could I come to?

Amar the answer to all questions is meditation. Rise above this realm and experience for yourself. Stop depending on others for answers.
And if you refuse to do that then next time to go to the cinema hall ask the director repeatedly why he made the movie the way he did.
His movie...his mauj

"where was Sawan Singh when they dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima?"

Where are any of these guys when their own neighborhoods are crumbling? Their power seemingly doesn't even extend beyond the borders of the dera. Beas village is a crazy impoverished place where politicians are shooting at each other. It in no way resembles the foreign-funded and managed dera at all.

All these mock predictions by 777 are the cycle of prophetic convenience. When there's a positive event "His Grace" is the easy way to praise the random guru man. When there is no way to justify an event like a catastrophe, karma becomes the answer. Believers seamlessly (schizophrenically) switch between both modes.

I can appreciate it, actually, because I don't believe in truths, but it's annoying because I think 777 is a liar and a new age artist who probably listens to solo pan flute albums.

Charan Singh fit the stereotype of Satguru better than Gurinder Singh, but did I practice? No. I gave up after a while, convinced I could never live up to Maharaj Ji's good example. I found Gurinder's alleged activities confusing and upsetting at first, but then I thought, "This is a Satguru? Well, then what am I so worried about?" It was very uninhibiting. Also thanks to others here for expanding my view on RS and in their perspectives on meditation. It's back on eye level for me now, and practice feels less intimidating.

For Baba Ji initiates, no doubt, the issues are thornier, but sometimes in life you just have to work with the clay you're given. There's always the chance of a happy ending down the road, or that Baba Ji's as disgruntled with the present expression of RSSB as anyone here and going to extremes as a way of driving home the need for back to basics reform.

The Universal cycle of prophetic convenience.
Baba Amar has often avoided reference to this Uni-cycle in his new teachings. He has attracted just one disciple with this non theorising. Manjit.
I saw this coming a year ago and have posted on it somewhere on this very blogsite.
Paradoxic Prophecy/Continual Coincidence

I do not know if manjit has become my guru or if I am his. The two have become one. Lol!

We can make up our own narrative...

All joking aside, I propose Jesse as the next Messiah. Preaching the gospel of the right to hate and swear uncontrollably. I'm sure we could find some Jesse-isms to print in pamphlet form for mass distribution. Georgy could take on the marketing seva and make this happen.

The Continual Coincidence of Paradoxical Prophecy.
All the great secular prophetics “knew” they had an uncanny gift of far sight. The irony of their knowing that they knew what is to be known was not lost on these great minds.
We all now know now what they knew then. There are no lost horizons.

I will encourage my young Paduan to meditate on this, though I already know what he is going to post about it.
Even the quantum entanglement untangled oddly

777, you say:
"I'm asking myself what effect it would have if we told youngsters from the start on The Truth, which is:
You are The Almighty One, Without Time, without hate, without fear, anonymously playing this with thoroughly applied amnesia, . . . ready to play."

Yes, 777, we are all this tiny drop in this vast creation and I wish we were taught early in life that this is a game and we can play it really well with the energy of true grace that we all have within. We can learn from others but it is so foolish to give our personal power away instead of simply following and evolving within our own inner bliss, and be on a continual high like you 777 ;)

Hi Spence you say: "He got it from somewhere. When you cite others you get it from somewhere. What is important is the truthfulness, the resonance with one's own sentiment."

Yes that resonance within one's self is wonderful.

Hi Amar, no I certainly would not tell anyone to join any religion. We all need to seek and find our own destiny and whoever helps on the way should be our own choice. We recognise in others what we are in our own self.

"The better heart of men shall see,
Shall feel celestially, as long
As you crave nothing save the song."
Lark Ascending, Meredith

And the music of the soul's gradual climb rising with that strain to the deeper strains, station by station, in isolation, and yet persistence, year over year, told beatifully from another mystic, Ralph Vaughn Williams...

Dr Eugene Genetics encouragement to meditation regarding prophetics has paid off.
Last night I dreamily imagined I was in the kitchen making some breakfast. A marmite sammij and a cuppa tea.
Lo and behold....This morning it happened exactly as my vision.
It is the most incredible awakening. Ever.
Also a sub luminal message appeared in the sugar bowl:
Truth is Bollox.
Reality is Bollox.

This might apply to all kind of lower chakra religions
where the Beautiful Gorgeous & Lovely Sound above our eyes has been forgotten
, although they hv vague remembrances in their scriptures

However
In RSSB cases it is :
How to tell somebody in crushing worldly Love that s/he is totally wrong ?
How to convince the Louvre Museum to get rid of their La Gioconda?
Tell a Lover that the Beatles is shit music
Convince me that I'm not happy

Millions of analphabetic RSSB initiates
not only hear but are profoundly encapsulated mesmerized
by that unstruck TANGIBLE phenomenon and many ascended/hiked already
in triumph, yet stay humble

I'm reading a great memoir called "Cartwheels in a Sari: A Memoir of Growing Up Cult" written by Jayanti Tamm, a women who was raised in the Sri Chinmoy movement. I highly recommend it! There are many similarities in her experience to that of followers of Sant Mat/GIHF as Chinmoy was also considered by his followers to be "the" avatar of the times.

@Brian, maybe we should start a thread for book recommendations like this? Every guru movement thinks they're special/the right path; the more we can learn about the experiences of others, the more we can realize all these movements are old news and manipulative by their very nature.

@Mr Curious
Catwheels describes ( i hope ) Gods subtle reaction upon Love
and sometimes negative forces do a lot to compromise
sects and Souls doing their best
In exceptional cases he recreates from the supernova (that makes the elements) on
just to boost Love & Faith around a jeeva
Then an impossibility occurs, . . . like what follows
or what I described so much in my many comments here

Not for nothing, God's hater placed me in this "allow" chapter 21

@Vijay
All here is about
some good, much pseudo & bad science vs Serendipities
In that respect God made a good point as follows:

The miracle is in the fact that the times are similar!
but more even in the giant proof of Jesses mindset > calling names , using 'panflute' as an offence
versus the all-time recognized the best singer of the planet!

Serendipities happen all the time with the tragic exception of God deniers ( why should She?)