Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:34:32 PM@turdburglar You haven't really taken to that reading thing to well, have you? I'm a libertarian. I very rarely support Republicans except when they are dishonestly attacked by liberals, which is pretty much a daily occurrence here. Like when Gerry blamed Bush for the Patriot act when in fact it passed the House by a vote of 357 to 66 and the Senate by a vote of 98 to 1.

Don't get me wrong; I like Gerry, even those times when I disagree with him, but I'll call him out whenever he says something that blatantly intellectually dishonest.

"OldOllie - I think the point trying to be made was that anybody who completely agrees 100% with any side is a tool. Doesn't matter if it's republican or democrat, which are both opposite extremes. You come across as a republican tool."

"Bush passed the Patriot Act all by himself by executive order, and Congress didn't have a thing to do with it. Wait...what?"

Debating you is like wrestling water. I mentioned bad things that happened under Reagan and you credited it to democrats in congress. Good things that happened you credited to Reagan. Good things under Clinton you credited to republicans in congress. Now bad things under bush are due to democrats in congress. Meanwhile EVERYTHING that happens under Obama is Obama's fault.

You really are so divisively polarized it is shocking. Do you ever sit back and think how full of s.hit you are? You are like the poster boy for political lemmings that keep pundits in business, news channels fighting to be inflammatory instead of informative, create an atmosphere of zero compromise, and send candidates running for the extremes during primaries. In short you represent almost everything that is wrong with American politics today.

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:00:35 PM@crapbandit Nice try, but you are waaaay off base there, buddy. I am about as much a "democratic tool" as you are a reasonable and intelligent person (as in "not at all" in case you missed the point yet AGAIN). I am certainly a liberal, no doubt about it. I tend to lean Democrat, but there is much I dislike about the Democratic party in general and some Democrats in particular, including Obama. In fact, I've emailed complaints to him at the White House (in one I called him "a spineless closet Republican" lol I wonder how many lists that got me on?).

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:14:35 PMI feel sick.I grew up in So.Central L.A., we always locked our homes up tight & remained cautious of anyone coming to our doors--of course, right? Bad neighborhood, makes sense. I now live in a very nice suburb & am AMAZED at how little my neighbors practice security/good sense when it comes to their safety. Unlocked cars, homes; windows wide open. Where do you think criminals go to steal? There's nothing to steal in the pooty areas, let me tell you!

These days, I have mace, blades & a gun hidden throughout my home (no kids). Living in a nice area doesn't guarantee your safety--only you can do that, & only to a certain extent.

I am NOT blaming her for this atrocity; sometimes we're just lulled into a false sense of security. I'm so very glad she's alive & the kids weren't physically harmed. I'm kinda rambling now, but I do want to share one thing about having guns in the home: my husband & I are the ONLY people who know that we have them.

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:50:25 PM OldOllie - I think the point trying to be made was that anybody who completely agrees 100% with any side is a tool. Doesn't matter if it's republican or democrat, which are both opposite extremes. You come across as a republican tool. Chalket is the democratic tool. Truth and sanity are always someplace in between.

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:42:46 PMYeah, GW Bush was such a hero of Freedom with his Patriot Act Yeah, ya got me there, Gerry. I totally forgot how Bush passed the Patriot Act all by himself by executive order, and Congress didn't have a thing to do with it. Wait...what?

"If find it kind of ironic that someone will say something like "If my house got burglarized and someone stole my gun and then used it to kill someone I would always feel guilty" as an argument for gun control,"

Just to clarify I DEFINITELY do not think that is an argument for gun control, just an argument for keeping your guns locked up when you aren't home.

"out of curiosity, if someone stole a hammer from your house and used it to kill someone, would you also feel guilty?"

Totally valid point. Definitely. Feels different even though I can't quite put a finger on it.

1. I would probably never KNOW about the hammer murder where as with a gun it could be traced back to me and I would find out.

2. I take protecting my gun from others as an almost sacred responsibility where I don't feel that way about a hammer.

3. I don't view hammers as "innocent bystander" weapons. A hammer can kill someone, but usually only someone specific for a specific reason. You don't typically see drive bys, robberies, muggings, home invasions, etc committed with a hammer.

4. Anybody can easily go buy a hammer, so it isn't as if not getting mine would have in ANY way stopped them.

Excellent question though. I guess I just view guns and bombs as mass murder waiting to happ

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:14:04 PMIf find it kind of ironic that someone will say something like If my house got burglarized and someone stole my gun and then used it to kill someone I would always feel guilty.* as an argument for gun control, but does not feel guilty for taking the right of others to defend their life and their families.

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:53:57 PMI work in a state prison. This guy will get his butt kicked when he is in jail. Beating down a mother in front of her infant child is right up there with sexual offenders on the no respect list.

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:47:15 PM IAFYM - IAB doesn't give me any specific country, it only says europe. In real life I treat everyone as individuals. Online is different. British, french, whatever...different turds, same s#ithole. Besides, there is no shortage of europeans here that stereotype all Americans.

If my house got burglarized and someone stole my gun and then used it to kill someone I would always feel guilty.Not trying to be smart, but out of curiosity, if someone stole a hammer from your house and used it to kill someone, would you also feel guilty? Or, let's say it was a samurai sword - another object without a commonplace use.

I ask because I would not feel guilty if someone stole my gun and used it in a murder and I think there is a fundamental divide in how we view firearms.

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:13:29 PMIn this case, I wonder if a gun could have been reached before the initial assault. The goon left the room several times and a gun could have been grabbed and would have been a happier ending to see this turd get about three rounds. I'm fervently anti-gun/violence so the above statement is kind of a contradiction. It's so sad to see this, my heart goes out to that poor woman. As Richard Pryor said, "I've performed in prisons and I've only got one thing to say....thank god there's prisons."

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:09:54 PMHG - Yes, that's a fair point and we do have a number of CCTV cameras but one could argue that there is no privacy in public.

I personally think the cameras are mainly used to generate revenue for the local councils; as they catch people in vehicles doing silly things (not referring to speed cameras) rather than crime detection. (Street lighting is a better deterrent than cameras anyway)

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:49:03 PM"Do you lock it up EVERY time you leave? Even if you are just running to the store or something?"

Yup, I have a SIG P220 that's my "everyday carry" so that's pretty much always on me. Everything else (Colt M1911, Bushmaster, Mossberg 12ga & 30-06) are locked up unless I'm taking the to the range. But, when I'm home the safe is unlocked, kind of pointless to have guns locked in a safe when you're there. I'm pretty sure if some f*ck-knuckle like this guy broke in he wouldn't wait while I was opening the safe before he came after me.

Let's say there was a particular area with a high rate of muggings and gang activity. The government installs video cameras in the area. Muggings and gang activity drop substantially, but average citizens are also recorded.

Now some people say that is an invasion of privacy, but to me that is a reasonable privacy to lose for the increase of safety. That is what I'm saying.

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:41:16 PMturdburglar - I'm European (actually, I'm not, I'm British - Not all Europeans are the same - nor are our laws or ideologies. Europe the continent is much too diverse to say something as broad reaching as what you have. Europe is also not a country.) and I would never ever ever trade freedom for safety, nor would any of my friends, colleagues or (and I do hope) my fellow countrymen. Remember that the USA is not the only country on earth that treats freedoms with such high regard.

HG - Nor would I, or those I know trade some privacy for safety - but I get the feeling some would or we are made to believe they would by the media.

On topic of the video, this guy is scum. It's a shame she was alone and without means to defend herself. I hope he is quickly caught and sent to prison for some considerable time.

Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:34:18 PM HG - I disagree first. Besides, you nit picked a fragment of a sentence from what I said. I still stand by that comment. It's called using good judgement. My home defense shotgun is not locked up but is hidden very well and still accessible to me. The shells are near by, also hidden.

The point I was making is that being responsible doesn't mean hiding your weapons away so far that they are unusable.

I am not sure what IAB you have been to in the last year, but there are plenty of people (mostly european) who think that only the police should have guns. You must be so blinded by your own point of view if you can say you have NEVER heard that said here at IAB.