And of course, most of them never even bothered to find out there was a black woman running. Or even if they did, they certainly didn’t take her seriously. Girls have cooties, don’tchaknow.

Sorry. Cynthia is someone my favorite uncle knew back in the day. I get a little bit annoyed about how invisible-ized she was during the election. Particularly since she actually stood for all the things those fauxgressive “crackers” claim they believe in. *sigh*

If I was a bad person, I’d be cackling madly over this whole mess. I feel better and better every day that I divested myself of the Democratic Party, the sexist, racist assholes who run it, and the idjits who just keep going along hoping that there will be “change”.

I almost said their sexism and racism but concluded that the message would be lost on the anti-isms-challenged. There were two women. If they wanted to go radical (radical compared to mainstream America), then yes there was certainly Cynthia McKinney. And if they wanted to go mainstream, or basically, Republican with some attachment to the people left, they could have went with Hillary Clinton. But of course, females are never good enough.

Darth Velma…No need to be sorry – you hit the nail right on the damn head! I voted for Cynthia McKinney because of the very reasons you just stated. Then I promptly changed my affiliation from Democrat to Republican. I knew she didn’t stand a chance, but it was my protest of this travesty they call democracy.

“But of course, females are never good enough.”

And never will be Kitty. Not as long as the White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy is in full effect, and I don’t see it changing anytime soon – especially with their mocha-chocolata-ya ya-in-Chief sittin’ in the damn Burning House! Lawd have mercy, I’m tired of all their asses!

All I can do is laugh and omg am I happy to be able to laugh! I needed that!

I voted Obama because i’d rather THAT fool over Palin and ole massah. You know the same fool who didn’t think Dr. King deserved a holiday even while enjoying the day we reserved for that rapist/murderer Colombus. Lmbao

I’m friggin tired and gettin silly. Needa go to bed. You gals betta watch out, all of white female bloglandia will be upset you used the c-word and, instead of talkin about the racism, will take to discussions about how they can’t call us niggers. Lmbao woohoo I’m cryin.

Thanx soulsis, stop by anytime! They’ve got so much Love for Miss Kitty and Margaret don’t they? I don’t know though, maybe after lurking – they’ll stage a “freeze-out” instead. Either way, the shit’s just too funny! I tell you Chile, nothing gets under people’s skin like the truth.

I’ve been thinking, what better way to perpetuate white supremacy than to support/vote for an incompetent black man. It happened with Clarence Thomas too. There was nothing about Clarence Thomas that signified that he should have ever been appointed to the Supreme Court. It was a political move. Daddy Bush was urged to show that he did not have anything against black people. So he fished out ol’ Thomas. Instead of proving that Thomas was incompetent, the “Democrats” tripped over themselves to prove that they were not racist. Wasn’t Thomas the one who said something about “lynching?” The Democrats are racist as hell, but come on, if either side is going to actually get out the rope, it will be his own people, –the white Republicans. The Democrats like to do their racism in other ways, like elect incompetent men and then complain later about how their benevolence was squandered.
Yes, I know this is old hat, but there it is. Are you going to tell me that Democrats could not have worked harder on blocking Thomas? The funny thing is, they only used it as an opportunity to “prove” that black men are promiscuous. And poor Anita Hill was a pawn. There was no concern for the harassment conservative appearing black men inflict on black women. They should have really played up the “practice what you preach” angle that Republicans are so fond of, instead, they focused on Thomas’ insatiable sexual appetite. Or maybe that commentary was from people I worked around. They picked up the dog whistles somehow or I am just dense, because I didn’t get those thoughts until they started talking about it. When I heard about the famous pub hair on the coke I thought how individually, him specifically, was a nasty bastard. But if we really want to talk about promiscuity let’s talk about Edwards. You know, the man who cheated on his gravely ill wife. The man all the Demmies thought was going to champion poverty. The Democrats had a true “democrat” with Lani Guinier. But just like now, they fold/ed at the slightest sign of opposition.

Soulsis, it does not matter that you voted for Obama. By the time it was down to Obama and McCain all anyone’s vote was, was symbolic. It was in the bag. When I voted, I said to myself that I had three choices. The first being, not to vote. Which in hindsight I believe would have been the most radical. Of course, the radical-ness of not voting has been erased and replaced with the label of apathy. My second choice was to vote for Cynthia McKinney and my third choice was to vote for Obama. I just could not vote for Obama. I just could not. I voted for McKinney. The thing is, people always whine about how Clinton would not have been any different from Obama. To that, I say, LIE! For one thing, if people would have voted for McKinney the way people voted for Nadar when he was on the Green ticket and Perot when he was on whatever ticket he was on in 1992, Clinton would have listened. If she saw votes leaving her and going to a third party choice, she would have catered her governing to include those people. But Obama won outright. Not by a landslide, but not that close either. The man won outright, yet he still caters to that small party that threatens him in what way is anyone’s guess. Because it is not like those people voted for him or will ever vote for him. They are radical right wing neo-cons that he simply does not need to consider. But for some reason he makes their agenda the number one agenda. It is almost as if, he is one of them.

I started thinking how all of this will work out for white supremacy, because it seems to always. What better way to justify racism than to support/vote/elect an incompetent black man who will no doubt prove his incompetence. Everyone knows in white supremacy, an individual black man equals “all” of the black race. Unlike, you know, how Edwards does not equals all of the white race. He is just a rascal. Rolling my eyes. And yes, the individual black man equals the collective black race in the eyes of Republicans and Democrats. I have not seen enough consistent protest that it does not mean this from either party. Therefore, when he fails, the black race fails. Viola! “We gave those darkies a chance and they blew it. Now it is time to let competent [white] men back at the helm.”

Yep. A “high-tech lynching of uppity Blacks who deign to think for themselves” – to be exact.

No Kitty, you’re not dense. They made sure to put his “insatiable sexual appetite” out there, and out there and out there. Anita Hill never had a chance.

” The man all the Demmies thought was going to champion poverty.”

I stand accused on that one Sister! He cetainly got me with that poverty spiel. And what happened to all his support for that “Half-in-Ten” organization he rolled out during the primaries?? I have no words except – I’m a damn Independent now! And absolutely, they left Lani Guinier hanging.

” Of course, the radical-ness of not voting has been erased and replaced with the label of apathy. “

Never thought about it that way Kitty. I guess being from the Deep South, with all the shit they did/do there adn all the folk who lost their lives in “real” lynchings – I felt it important that I honor their sacrifice by voting to – what I thought then – change things. Like you, I couldn’t vote for the Changeling. You might be right about Hill in that, ” If she saw votes leaving her and going to a third party choice, she would have catered her governing to include those people.” She is, after all, a consummate politician in her own right. I did support her and might have even voted for her, but when the RBC said our primary votes didn’t count in FL, Democrats pissed me the hell off. And realizing that getting my ass up to go vote for anyhone of ’em really didn’t mean shit if they didn’t respect it – I voted for Cynthia McKinney partially in protest and partially because she actually stood for something.

“I started thinking how all of this will work out for white supremacy, because it seems to always.”

I thought I was the only one who had this depressing thought! 🙂

And this one:

“Therefore, when he fails, the black race fails. Viola! “We gave those darkies a chance and they blew it. Now it is time to let competent [white] men back at the helm.”

You know, I know. I shouldn’t be so insensitive about the legacy of not being able to vote. I need to slow down. Yet, I still think it is radical to not vote. However, that position will not ever achieve the credence of being radical because of all the truly apathetic people who don’t vote. And of course, the defeatism that it will convey which is opposite to everything the civil rights movement was all about. When it is done consciously, one will have to admit that they have truly walked away from participating in the system (well at least to the degree that one cannot participate while existing in a system). Admitting that one has walked away from the system undermines everything hard working people have been taught. It is like religious people saying without mystery there is no god. In politics, without hope there is no way for change. Incidentally, Obama and crew manipulated those words, hope and change. This in my opinion makes them evil. It is evil to take away hope in a world governed by the same people and not implement any sigh of change. And yes, hope vanishes when there is no proof of change. It seems to be mostly women who saw Obama for what he is. That is because women, even though men have tried for centuries to make them lose their instincts, still have instincts. And when women can remove all the external layers added onto to those instincts in an attempt to bury them to a depth of dormant, they will see clearer and sharper in less time and snake oil salesmen like Obama and crew will be history.

“You know, I know. I shouldn’t be so insensitive about the legacy of not being able to vote. I need to slow down. Yet, I still think it is radical to not vote.”

I do know Kitty. You’ve hardly a monopoly on insensitivity. At least youown it when you do it and acknowledge a need to “check yourself” when you do. Way more than most people do.

Insensitivity notwithstanding, everybody’s got a right to their “thinks!” 🙂 Your is actually very interesting regarding not voting, however I agree with you that it’ll take a long time for the current “non-voting is apathy” paradigm to change into a “non-voting is resistance” paradigm. But I don’t know, what happened in Massachusetts could possibly be considered a small step in that direction – no?

I’d agree more women than men saw through the Changeling. I’d even go so far as to say that Black women probably zeroed in on him more quickly, having seen men in action just like him for a longer period of our lives. Not as much “exotica” if you know what I mean.

If I see those sharper, clearer instincts you describe at all, I suspect it’ll be from my perch on a porch in a rocking chair.

And about the “freezing out.” I don’t care. I am proud that this space is not a “safe” space for white supremacy. If a place on the net is popular you can best believe it is a safe space for whites to feel that all of their audience is white and cater their talk to accommodate that audience. After all, it is so taxing to have to remember not everyone is white. I read so many so called “inclusive” spaces yet it is only made inclusive for tyrannies, as in throwing in the pathetic “cis” to show homage. What the fuck ever. I got their fucking “cis” sitting on a cracker, how’s that?

And I’m damn proud too Kitty! Really I am. I told you before, You and Margaret teach me so many things along this “journey of me.” I appreciate ya both!! Don’t ever change.

“If a place on the net is popular you can best believe it is a safe space for whites to feel that all of their audience is white and cater their talk to accommodate that audience”

I agree with you – with the exception of Cinie’s Place. I can tell you, I’ve seen and had my share of run-ins with white folk over there who expect exactly what you describe. But she never steps in to salve any wounds. And I like that about her – as I do you Ladies here at AROOO.

Kitty, I voted for Obama because I knew that McKinney didn’t have a snow balls chance in HELL. A Black woman? HELL NO NEVER! Look at what they did to Clinton? MY gawd what would they do to a Black woman? So I hear what you’re saying about it not mattering, and I agree, but I wanted to be honest too. Cause ya know that means something to me. lol

I too considered not voting, but my mother started going on about rights and the people who died and I bought it. Not to say I disagree with her, I do get her point. But all the Black folks who were murdered by rabidly racist assholes, to obtain the right to vote did so for what? For some goddamn electoral college of rich old white men to decide? I want to echo Deb, this ain’t no goddamn democracy!

I remember sitting up with a bunch of friends of mine talking about why we supported McKinney and some white dood barging into the conversation and arrogantly declaring it was worthless. I mean we were already thinking that, but who the fuck was he to tell us how to spend our vote? I remember a me and a friend reading various white women’s only blogs (i know that just about named most of em but still) and how on Hillary’s ass they were. Not one of them, in all their whinning about how a woman as prez would be historic too, ever mentioned McKinney. And it was just discussed in typical white woman fashion, racist, blind, ignorant, abusive, you name it, how Obama only won because he was black. I almost lost my mind.

soulsis…” So I hear what you’re saying about it not mattering, and I agree, but I wanted to be honest too. Cause ya know that means something to me. “

Means everything to me. I’d rather people speak their truths, whatever they are, rather than the whole appeasement thing. Hell, there’s no way we’re all going to agree on every-damn-thing! I respect that. And I respect those who respect that too.

NO, this ain’t no damn democracy, but like I told Kitty up there – being from one of those “original 13s,” I feel the obligation deeply. I’ve lived my Grandmama, my Mama and all her siblings – Field Negroes all – cleaning white folks houses, wet-nursing their damn babies, ironing and cooking for families who treated them like “Ignant Niggers” who didn’t know shit – OR – patronized the fuck out of them and theirs if they dared have an independent thought. I’ve lived the Klan in action, burning crosses and Black folk’s houses to the ground (my Grandmama being one of them). I try my best to speak for them – I feel owe it.

And I have no damn patience for white women who, in their own supremacy, can’t or won’t see it. I’m all for us “all gettin’ along,” but don’t try to bullshit me or disrespect me because I’m not the one – I don’t give a shit WHO you are.

I’m way over those kind of white ppl, but I make room for those who see the shit going on, speak up about it without fear, and try to own their shit. I have to – I’ve been married to a pale, Italian guy who society identifies as white for 29 years. But he and his family understand – “Don’t get it twisted – I’m a proud, Black woman and you don’t get to define what that means. I’m not takin’ shit – from anybody, not even in jest.” Doesn’t always make me the favorite Aunt-Sister-in-law-Daughter-in-law, whatever. But that’s their problem, not mine. Took me a long time to know who I am after my beginnings. When I finally knew – there was no damn going back – take it or leave it. Either way’s fine with me because I’m the one who has to face me in the mirror everyday.

I’ve been accused often, of not being “authentically Black” because of who I married. My answer is always, “And how does that make me or my sons less Black?” They look Black like me (more like the Changeling than me really, but you get my drift). And that’s how I raised them – because it’s NECESSARY in this fucked up world of white supremacy. I don’t expect them to ignore their Dad’s side of them, but they had to know that the world doesn’t give a shit about that when they see them.

Like I said before, I’m all for “gettin’ along” and being “inclusive” – but not at the expense of who I am.

Sycophancy; Obama’s making it so cliche now. And now he’s going to play the House Negro role to appease the Republicans and Tea Baggers?! And no, a Black man (or any MOC for that matter) in the Oval Office does not guarantee equal sociocultural, political, economic, and legal treatment for WOC. It seems that men from every walk of life will gladly exploit and betray women in order to secure power for *themselves (*I believe the men call this “bros before hos”). Gosh, I was so fucking *euphoric on November 4, 2008 and January 20, 2009, but now?! (*NOT over the toxic misogyny directed towards HRC and the obvious media blackout on McKinney’s campaign– “what’s this, some ‘uppity’ Black woman running for president and upset the white corporate, patriarchal status quo that’s so entrenched in American politics, fuck that! But let’s give Ron Paul some airtime!” Fuck the media!)

American politics and elections are a farce. I’m only twenty-four but I have finally understood how American politics really work. Stupid idealistic me! And you’re right SoulSis, the white feminist blogs were all over HRC and even Sarah Palin, but McKinney?! No different from how white feminists have treated radical WOC since…well forever. Fuck, I so want to live in a commune, far removed from mainstream [male] society. The closest I’ll probably get to that is going to a left-leaning grad school. Sigh.

Just finished “Game Change” and hoping to get a few minutes to blog about it… suffice to say, Obama was actually the person in the race with the best character. That tells you about the rest of them!

The problem is not his character, it’s that he CAN’T LEAD. Just as they warned us, a bit too inexperienced to take a stand and stick to it. He waffles badly; talks out of both sides of his mouth. I’m very disappointed… but now that I am aware Palin didn’t know the diff between N and S Korea, McCain loves war everywhere (actually already knew that), Edwards is a world-class lying asswipe (easily emerges as the worst in the book), Hillary is a power-tripping egomaniac who treated her staff like shit (married to a worse one, who seems to have negatively-exacerbated her sense of self-importance), Romney is a dick, etc etc etc. Barack comes off as a rather boring policy-wonk type, catapulted into first place due to superior oratorical skills and no genuine skeletons in the closet….

Stay tuned for the book review if I ever get a minute to write it! Hoping to start a conversation about Edwards and whether we can trust a man who lies to his wife and gets his CAMPAIGN AIDE to say he knocked up his girlfriend (!) so he can be president. Jesus H. Christ.

I certainly don’t agree with your opinion about Clinton. It is misogyny and internalized misogyny that has fueled that image of her. And I don’t agree about Obama. I think his so-called “orator” skills is a giant put on, fake ass, puts a fucking teleprompter in a 6th grade class disgrace. His rhythm is off. As in, he has none. I believe one can only have rhythm when they believe what they say and/or can feel what they mean, and that meaning must be just.

“Hillary is a power-tripping egomaniac who treated her staff like shit (married to a worse one, who seems to have negatively-exacerbated her sense of self-importance). “

Kitty, I’ve not read the book so, I’m not clear if that’s DaisyDeahhead’s opinion, or her paraphrased re-relling of what Halperin, et al wrote. If it’s the former, I agree with you, ” It is misogyny and internalized misogyny that has fueled that image of her.”

If it’s the latter, it’s no more than we expected from them isnt it?

Agree with what you said on the Changeling 1000%! So much so, I can’t even stand to listen to his ass anymore. I READ his speeches so I don’t have to hear his fake ass, channelling MLK or whomever he needs at the moment.

And will somebody tell me how ANY of these people can even attempt to accurately judge this man’s “character” when all they know of him is what they’ve seen in this short period of time – particularly since they all, for the most part, have had little or no intimate dealing/communication with Black folk (or society-identified Black folk), so much so that they see having “no Negro dialect when he doesn’t want to have one” as some amazing feat? The measure by which they come to their glowing conclusions of his ass is deeply, deeply flawed. Just sayin…

Hillary Clinton can be the most ruthless woman on the planet, and it will still be misogyny to make a deal about it, because it is never made a big deal when men are ruthless. Ruthlessness in men is played as an assess.

Moreover, you know Deb; you are the only person I can rant with about that speech shit. It pisses me the fuck off. There is no rhyme or reason to his emphasis. I used to think it was the last word of a sentence. Now that I have listened more the emphasis falls on any word and after that word, a pause. The thing is, the word he chooses to emphasize often has no fucking value at all. For example:

“I went TO {pause} the store.”

“I WENT {pause} to the store.”

And/or

“I went to the STORE {pause} for some potatoes.”

Can you imagine when he and Michelle are alone, because you know she has to know that his shit is bullshit unless she is so full of the bullshit herself. He says, “Michelle, do you know WHERE {pause}my socks are?” Michelle will be like, “If you don’t shut that cracker foolin’ shit up, I am goin’ to put a sock upside your head!”

Agree with what you said on the Changeling 1000%! So much so, I can’t even stand to listen to his ass anymore. I READ his speeches so I don’t have to hear his fake ass, channelling MLK or whomever he needs at the moment.

I’m so glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t get this “great orator” bullshit they talk about. I think the only thing I ever remotely liked about Obama’s speeches was that He Wasn’t Bush (II) — which, come to think of it, was probably how he got elected in the first place (that, and his status as penis-bearer).

No Jo, you’re not alone – we’re just an obvious minority of enlightened souls. 🙂 Hell I voted for John Edwards in the primaries and look what he turned out to be! They’re all just politicians to me at this point.

Hi, I voted McKinney for her voting record and political activism (which is still kick ass). You can bet I got shit for it, and I still get shit for it. I was treated like my vote was wasted, like I was crazy. It didn’t matter that *I* think she’s kick ass awesome, that she’s a brave leader in times of hideous government corruption, and that *her* speeches have always moved me in a way Obama can never compete with. Apparently my reasons were not enough, my vote was not my own, and I should have voted for *insert either candidate* because *insert other reasons* were more important than my sovereign right to choose the candidate that best represented issues near and dear to my heart.

I’ll vote for her next election too, if she’ll run. I hope she does. I don’t know who I’ll vote for if she doesn’t.

Bottom line is – I can’t depend on the Dems to take care of me or my interests. I can’t go into every detail right now but suffice to say since 2000 I have been disenchanted with the Dems. We *need* a third major party in the United States, preferably liberal like Green (which I am currently registered). This whole Dem/Repub thing seems to exist only to take care of itself. Women continue to fall by the wayside and even now are being thrown under the bus. Apparently we are trivial and unimportant compared to the bigger issues at hand – as if reproductive rights haven’t had enough affronts the past several years.

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