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What's wrong with there being theists in the world? As long as they're not forcing you to join them, it's ok, right? ..Wrong.. This group is to share thoughts about the dangers of theism -- and through the discussion, to be armed to enlighten others.

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I've tried not to be hostile towards theism, not that I think it is something to be tolerated or protected, but bc I once was a theist. I know that if an anti-theist like Hitchens would get going I…Continue

So I had a run in with one of those bible thumping "I'm going to save the world for jesus" types today in a restaurant and after much debate I decided to start a YouTube channel to vent some of my…Continue

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I am painfully aware talking, reasoning, revealing the unintended or intended consequences of religion has made no difference in other's thinking. They boldly go on imposing on nonbelievers as if we had the responsibility to remain silent and take it with good humor and pleasant smiles.

Well, not after what christians do and say and believe and try to shove down our throats. The only way, at least as far as I can tell, is to be clear in my own head, to be specific and concrete in my writing and speaking, and be willing to use the Hitch attitude when confronted. I/we lose family and friends, but let us just realize that 7,000,000,000 human beings walk on this Earth and we can chose with whom we walk and talk.

1. A belief in and worship of superhuman controlling power, a personal god that is learned. A belief that god created homo sapiens to be dependent, passive, and subordinate to god. The Passive Gospel. Historically, it derives from "religare" to restrain, tie back, to give meaning and purpose.

Patricia...some years ago my wife (maried to someone else) actually let a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses in -- and debated them for days, if not weeks. Neither side budged an inch. A couple of weeks ago, another cleanm-cut pair appeared at our door asking if we wanted to talk about the Bible. Unfortunately, we didn't have time, so all they got was my statement that "we're hard-core atheists here" and my wife shouting from another room that the Bible was a book of horrible, primitive fantasies and God a deranged sadist. Where does one start? Do I want to damage family relationships by belittling their superficial Judaism? From the other side, mistrust of atheists shows up in polls that show people more likely to vote for a woman, a gay person, a Jew -- almost anyone but an atheist -- for President. I think change has to come from the top, with an openly secular national figure -- a congressional leader or even the Prez. Hard to believe that nearly all politicians pay at least lip service to religion and dare not utter a word against it.

As a PR person (speechwriting), I'm aware of the marketplace of ideas. Atheists are way too quiet. A bus ad or billboard here and there won't do it. For starters, how about every religion story on TV or in the news has a quote from an atheist organization stating that, scientifically speaking, the events being celebrated just didn't happen?

Religion is at the same time the benefactor of immense social approval and the cause of immeasurable misery. It is not enough to just be an atheist. We must actively oppose religion, its bigotries and other horrors, or it will, as Bill Maher suggests, be the end of us.

Patricia that has been my experience as well: not bring up religion, but others start and I give my best reasoning. With some, it is easy for me to stay calm and even have a little fun with questions, like, "Do you really believe ...?" My dear cousin warns her husband not to bring up religion (he is "born again") and we are not together more than "Hello, how are you?" and he starts. He tries his very best. He then goes on a hunt for some pretty or different or unique bird house and the next time we are together he gives it to me, kind of a peace offering. And the cycle begins again. My back yard has many splendid bird houses. I enjoy our debates.

Silence has never been a benefit for me. I am glad to know there are others who are able and willing to take a stand. Your technique is sound! I like having a reputation .... that cuts down on idiot talk.