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OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
PRE-BID MEETING
Project LUC-CR-73-1.42
McCord Road
PID #75107
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Transcript of proceedings had in the
above-entitled cause at the offices of the Ohio
Department of Transportation, District 2, 317 E.
Poe Road, Bowling Green, Ohio, on Monday, March
31, 2014, at 1:03 p.m.
GREENE REPORTING
P.O. BOX 352767
TOLEDO, OHIO 43635-2767
(419) 531-4266
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1 OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
DISTRICT 2
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Art Rometo
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5 P R O C E E D I N G S
6 ART ROMETO: All right. We'll go ahead and
7 get started. We're here today for the McCord
8 railroad grade separation project, PID 75107.
9 We're anticipating a sale of May 8th with a
10 completion date at the end of 2016.
11 A couple of housecleaning items first.
12 If anybody needs to use the rest room,
13 they're down the hall. And you can get the
14 key from the receptionist. Also, there's a
15 sign-in sheet out front. If anybody hasn't
16 signed it, please do so. And the
17 meeting's going to be recorded, we have a
18 court reporter here, and so before you
19 speak, if you could, please, identify
20 yourself and your affiliation before any
21 questions.
22 We'll go ahead and we'll go around the
23 room and have everybody introduce themselves
24 and their affiliation.
25 I'm Art Rometo with the Ohio Department
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1 of Transportation.
2 DOUG RABY: Doug Raby, area engineer and
3 construction with ODOT.
4 DENNIS CHARVAT: Dennis Charvat, construction
5 administrator, ODOT.
6 DAN KELSEY: Dan Kelsey, project engineer
7 with ODOT.
8 MARVIN GREEN: Marvin Green, project
9 inspector with ODOT.
10 RUSS CRITELLI: Russ Critelli, design
11 engineer with Mannik & Smith Group.
12 MATT OHLRICH: Matt Ohlrich, Mosser
13 Construction.
14 RAY BRING: Ray Bring, Kokosing.
15 CODY KERR: Cody Kerr, Kokosing.
16 MEL WILLIAMS: Mel Williams, E.S. Wagner.
17 JACLYN NOIROT: Jaclyn Noirot with ODOT.
18 CHRIS HIBBETT: Chris Hibbett, ODOT.
19 FRED WEISS: Fred Weiss, ODOT.
20 MIKE GRAMZA: Mike Gramza, ODOT.
21 KEITH EARLEY: Keith Earley, Lucas County
22 Engineer's office.
23 MATT CHOMA: Matt Choma, Lucas County
24 Sanitary Engineers.
25 DON SEELY: Don Seeley, Lucas County Sanitary
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1 Engineers.
2 NATE INKROTT: Nate Inkrott, Lucas County
3 Sanitary Engineers.
4 BRYAN ZIENTA: Bryan Zienta, Lucas County
5 Engineers office.
6 JEFF LOHSE: Jeff Lohse, Lucas County
7 Engineers office.
8 MIKE SMITH: Mike Smith of Mannik & Smith
9 Group.
10 CAREN DILLE: Caren Dille, ODOT Construction.
11 JIM SHAW: Jim Shaw, Lucas County.
12 ART ROMETO: All right. A little overview on
13 the project. This is part of the grade
14 separation program that we had several years
15 ago. It's one of the last grade separation
16 projects. There's 95 trains per day that use
17 those crossings which creates quite
18 a backup along McCord Road, and safety
19 problems.
20 We've had a series of public
21 involvement meetings out there and we've
22 went through several different alternatives
23 to get to the alternative that we have today.
24 There's many stakeholders in this project.
25 We've got Lucas County Engineers who
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1 sponsored the project, the Village of
2 Holland and Springfield Township. There's
3 many businesses along this corridor, Norfolk
4 Southern Railroad. Springfield High School's
5 located right there on the project.
6 We have a 66-inch sanitary line that
7 runs right down the center of McCord Road
8 that is going to need to be reinforced as
9 part of this project. We have many local
10 residents. Of course, my favorite
11 stakeholder, ODOT. This is a very high
12 profile project and we expect that
13 partnering's going to be very important with
14 this project.
15 Quick little overview. Here we have
16 McCord Road and the railroad track, and we've
17 got Springfield High School down here, a lot
18 of businesses along the corridor with WalMart
19 there, have some tennis courts here. Several
20 of these buildings have already been removed
21 as part of our demo project.
22 And here is what, essentially, the
23 project's going to consist of. Several
24 things to notice is, one, we have a temporary
25 road that we're going to be putting in for
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1 access when we have McCord Road closed. This
2 part here is going to be permanent to provide
3 access for the pump station and the detention
4 pond.
5 Because of the grade separation and
6 we're going under, we're having an underpass,
7 we're going to need a pump station. And so
8 the drainage will come down to the pump
9 station, be pumped up to the detention pond
10 and metered out into the ditch along the
11 railroad. That detention pond's also going
12 to handle our BMPs for this project.
13 Another point of interest is the
14 roundabout here at McCord, Hall and Mall
15 Roads. The construction of this is going to
16 be a very tight schedule. And we're going to
17 try to do that when school's out. The other
18 part of this project is the temporary
19 railroad track that we have to build in order
20 to build the bridge. And we'll discuss that
21 a little bit more here.
22 We're looking at the staging. The
23 first thing we're going to do is to build the
24 embankment for the temporary railroad
25 runaround. The soil out there is a little
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1 soft. And so we're going to need to build
2 the embankment to get the proper settlement.
3 We're looking at probably about nine months
4 settlement on that. So that's going to need
5 to be one of the first things that's done.
6 Along with that, we'll also need the
7 temporary road to be put in, and the lining
8 of the 66-inch storm sewer. Those would be
9 the first three things that we're going to be
10 looking at doing. So that would take care of
11 the first season essentially.
12 We come into the second season and
13 would be building this section in here so
14 that we can maintain access to the school.
15 We'll be shutting down McCord Road and
16 detouring the traffic. We'll be
17 constructing the roundabout in through here.
18 We'd like to have that done while school is
19 out of session, try to center that around
20 that. We anticipate the schedule probably to
21 be a little bit into the school year one way
22 or the other. The other thing, we've got
23 this little piece here that wasn't
24 constructed to maintain McCord Road. That
25 would be constructed. The tie-ins will be
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2 And that takes us to the detour. While
3 this is closed traffic will be detoured
4 around McCord Road. And the majority of the
5 project will be Stage 3. The beginning of it
6 we'll have the train traffic running on the
7 temporary runaround that we've built. We'll
8 have the temporary road open and three of the
9 four legs of the roundabout will be
10 operating. So the traffic will be flowing
11 pretty well around our construction area.
12 The railroad bridge will be built. And
13 then once the structure's complete we'll be
14 able to switch traffic back onto the mainline
15 and then remove the temporary crossing.
16 That's kind of just a quick overview of
17 the maintenance of traffic. Didn't go into
18 too much detail. At this point I'd just like
19 to open it up for any questions that you may
20 have.
21 MIKE GRAMZA: Mike Gramza with ODOT.
22 Clarification, Art. You mentioned the
23 66-inch storm. Did you mean the 66-inch
24 sanitary?
25 ART ROMETO: 66-inch sanitary. I'm sorry if
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1 I said storm. I meant sanitary.
2 MIKE GRAMZA: Are there any details that you
3 need to get across on the sanitary with the
4 sanitary folks that are here or is it clear
5 in the plans what they need to do?
6 ART ROMETO: Well, I think it's pretty clear
7 in the plans. Does anybody have any
8 questions regarding the 66-inch sanitary?
9 I guess one of the things that is
10 crucial is the timing of that. We need to --
11 part of the lining of the 66-inch is for
12 structural support during construction. So
13 that's going to need to be one of the first
14 things done because once we start moving the
15 train traffic over we also have a force main
16 that's going to be relocated as part of this
17 and we need to have all that done before we
18 get into the railroad embankment.
19 RAY BRING: Ray Bring with Kokosing. What
20 type of pipe is that?
21 ART ROMETO: I'm sorry?
22 RAY BRING: What type of pipe is it?
23 ART ROMETO: The existing? The existing is
24 concrete.
25 NATE INKROTT: Nate Inkrott, Lucas County
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1 Sanitary Engineers. You mentioned a
2 completion date of 2016. Are there
3 completion dates for each phase? Stage 1, is
4 there a final date on that?
5 ART ROMETO: I don't think we have any
6 intermediate dates set up in the plans as of
7 right now.
8 NATE INKROTT: Okay. Do you anticipate --
9 ART ROMETO: Well, we anticipate the first
10 stage would be during the first season, the
11 second stage with the roundabout would be
12 spring through summer of next year, and then
13 the rest of it the following year and a half
14 finishing up with Stage 3.
15 RAY BRING: Ray Bring with Kokosing. You
16 mentioned something about the lining being
17 structural?
18 ART ROMETO: Yes.
19 RAY BRING: Concrete pipe. Is there
20 something wrong with it?
21 ART ROMETO: Well, it's 40 years old.
22 Anybody else?
23 MEL WILLIAMS: Mel Williams with E.S. Wagner.
24 In Stage 3 during the construction of the
25 bridge itself, is McCord Road traffic, at
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2 alignment of McCord or is it detoured through
3 the whole construction of the bridge?
4 ART ROMETO: During Stage 3 it will still --
5 hold on. Let me -- but I believe it's --
6 yeah. During Stage 3 traffic will still be
7 detoured down along here. We'll have the
8 road closed off.
9 MEL WILLIAMS: That would be the largest
10 stage. So McCord will be detoured at that
11 point?
12 ART ROMETO: Yes. It will be running down
13 the temporary access road. There's a lot of
14 -- you know, between the bridge and the
15 amount of embankment that we have in there,
16 it's going to be quite a bit of work,
17 excavation. I'm sorry.
18 Does anybody else have any questions?
19 RAY BRING: Ray Bring with Kokosing. On the
20 two retaining walls there by the roundabout,
21 you're leaving the sheet piling in place.
22 Is there a reason we can't remove it?
23 ART ROMETO: I will have to look into that
24 and see if there's a reason that it couldn't
25 be removed. I'll get back to you on that.
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1 Good question.
2 DON SEELY: Don Seely, Lucas County Sanitary
3 Engineer. There was quite a bit of waterline
4 work in this project the last time we saw it.
5 Is that all still there? Is that going to be
6 part of Stage 3? We were replacing
7 everything throughout the roundabout up
8 McCord up to Kipling Road.
9 ART ROMETO: Yeah.
10 DON SEELY: No. I was wondering if that's
11 when they're doing it. Well, some of it will
12 be during the roundabout stage, Stage 1, will
13 have to be.
14 RUSS CRITELLI: Well, there's part of it
15 being done at different intervals.
16 ART ROMETO: One of the first things that --
17 early on in the phase we put a line
18 underneath the railroad.
19 RUSS CRITELLI: Part 2.
20 ART ROMETO: Yeah. Part 2. Where we put a
21 boring under there to run the waterline to
22 get it on the other side of the
23 railroad.
24 DON SEELY: That will be permanent then?
25 That will be permanent waterline? That's
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2 ART ROMETO: Yeah.
3 JIM SHAW: Jim Shaw, Lucas County Sanitary
4 Engineer. There was recent activity around
5 where the roundabout's going to be located in
6 which there was put a bore. Is that part of
7 these plans? Was that something that we need
8 to make sure the contractors have in the
9 future?
10 ART ROMETO: Chris?
11 CHRIS HIBBETT: Chris Hibbett, ODOT. Toledo
12 Edison ran a bore diagonally across the
13 intersection to alleviate the area throughout
14 the roundabout.
15 ART ROMETO: Does anybody else have any
16 questions? You guys want to say anything?
17 All right. If nobody has any
18 additional questions or anything, I'd like to
19 thank everybody for coming. And --
20 KEITH EARLEY: Not really a question. Keith
21 Earley, Lucas County Engineer. We do own, to
22 all the bidders, we own the old Wick's site.
23 That can be used for a staging area. We can
24 get the details on that. And, also,
25 there's a possibility that we could get
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1 borrow from that area, maybe store it. Also,
2 there could be borrow taken from the
3 retention area, may be stored after the
4 project, if need be. And we also own a
5 building at 1035 McCord, South McCord, just
6 next to our offices, that could be used by
7 the contractor or ODOT for a field office.
8 If you want to look at that, get details on
9 that, we can get you the details during the
10 week. It has offices plus garage.
11 ART ROMETO: Okay. Does anybody else have
12 anything? All right. Thanks again for
13 coming.
14 (Proceedings concluded at 1:23 p.m.)
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7 I, Karen M. McCall Greene, the undersigned, do
8 hereby certify that the foregoing is a true,
9 correct and complete transcript of the proceedings
10 in the foregoing captioned matter taken by me and
11 transcribed from my stenographic notes.
12 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand
13 and affixed my notarial seal of office at Toledo,
14 Ohio, on this _______ day of April, 2014.
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17 KAREN M. MCCALL GREENE
18 Notary Public in and for the
19 State of Ohio
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21 My Commission expires December 10, 2015.
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