First, many modern liberals arent liberal at all today. Instead of seeking to expand personal freedom and liberty like the liberals of old, they seek to remove freedoms and liberties from others to support their federal dependency. There aint nothin American about that!

Just so you dont miss the point, lets keep it simple and straight forward. People from other countries who hate American principles are called anti-American. People from America who hate those same American principles are called un-American. Too simple?

Oh I know - its politically incorrect to use the term un-American when referring to people who call themselves American.

They can be as unamerican as they want. No one has to elect them to office, or tolerate treason when the Unamericanism evolves to treason, as it is doing in many cases, like Joe Wilson, and lately Murtha.

Too many who reside in America do so for the purpose of benefiting from the ideals that made America the most desired residence on earth, without in any way contributing to the nation they seek to suck dry. They often even work to kill the goose that laid the golden egg they have enjoyed.

I think you have identified yourself as one of those the author was describing. American in address alone. A parasite consuming the fruits of others works and sacrifices without contributing anything in return...

I wonder, if Murtha is wrong, why isn't he languishing in jail right now awaiting certain conviction for sedition? And why isn't Jay Rockefeller on trial for treason after he confessed to the crime on national television? Why hasn't Michael Moore been incarcerated for treason?

I finally decided what happened to the weapons of mass destruction. They went to Syria after Sen. Rockefeller (traitor-WV) revealed our secrets to the government in Damascus. The Democrats then conspired to attack the President over these weapons, and largely succeeded in weakening him politically.

The Democrats, terrorists, and communists (commonly collectively called "enemies of the United States") now stand at the verge of total victory. We must defeat them, beginning first with the liberal Democrats. Step one: try, convict, and execute Jay Rockefeller, Jim Baghdad McDermott, and Michael Moore for treason.

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posted on 12/03/2005 2:12:23 PM PST
by dufekin
(US Senate: the only place where the majority [44 D] comprises fewer than the minority [55 R])

Ready for number two? Retroactively to 11 September 2001, whensoever any American appears on national or local television, radio, newspaper, or other medium, including those employed in the press and media, and declares, states, implies, or insinuates that America should surrender to the terrorists, prosecute and convict of sedition and sentence to five to ten years at hard labor. We certainly should not prosecute for mere misspeaking, so we'll be nice and require several separate but similar statements revealing a true belief or position of the day. Develop a zero-tolerance policy for overt public sedition.

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posted on 12/03/2005 2:24:29 PM PST
by dufekin
(US Senate: the only place where the majority [44 D] comprises fewer than the minority [55 R])

The point is - calling everyone a hero dishonors those who have actually earned that title. Likewise, calling everyone an American just because they legally reside in America dishonors those who earn that title by loving, supporting and defending those good ole American principles.

And calling anyone who disagrees with you 'unamerican' cheapens that term as well. Unlike Mr. Williams I spent the better part of my adult life wearing the uniform of this country's military. I was defending the rights of those people Mr. Williams is attacking. Those rights include holding beliefs and opinions different from mine. They may disagree with the war, they may dislike the President, they may openly question the motivations of the administration, it is their right as American to do so. It is one of the things that makes this country different from most of the other countries in the world and is one of our greatest strengths. And I hope we never lose it, never reach the point where people are afraid to disagree with their goverment for fear of being labled 'unamerican' by the likes of Mr. Williams.

Who says I'm proud? I just already have a religion, and I hate treating my country as if she were a church. Anti-Americans tend to have silly foreign countries they'd like us to copy, like Sweden. I'm just a nutty localist who considers himself a Coloradoan and a Westerner before he considers himself an American. I'm content to love the land I was born in, and reject the stupid ideologies layered over her and the stupid ideologues who demand I have to pour libations to their petty idols before I can claim "true Americanity."

I live in the shadow of America's purple mountain majesties, and I love them dearly. Ideas don't have form or color, and sure ain't worth living or dying for. The land and her people, however, are sure worth losing your head for. Those who claim Americanism to be their creed are just like the French they so often claim to despise, all abstraction and no particularity. It's like they're all hat and no cattle.

There's a lot of things to like about Abraham Lincoln, but that quote isn't one of them. I don't believe he ever said it. A search of the online sites that contain his speeches and writings has not turned up anything resembling that quote.

There's a lot of things to like about Abraham Lincoln, but that quote isn't one of them. I don't believe he ever said it. A search of the online sites that contain his speeches and writings has not turned up anything resembling that quote.

It's impossible for Abraham Lincoln to have said that quote. Merriam-Webster's Ninth Collegiate dictionary says that the word "saboteur" was first used in 1921 and did not exist before that.

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posted on 12/03/2005 2:54:32 PM PST
by FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")

Sorry you've been lied to your entire life. The ideas discussed by Williams are not Mr. Williams ideas. He is right in saying they are some of the key founding ideas of America, responsible for America's success, and the lifestyle every American enjoys today. Anyone who knows history knows this.

Mr. Williams said nothing about supporting or not supporting Bush. He gave some pretty good examples of behavior that would have been grounds for public lynching not so long ago. They'd be grounds today if it were a Republican who did it.

He seems to suggest that living in America while attacking everything American is akin to belonging to a church, sitting in the pew every Sunday, but speaking out against and undermining that church all week long. Not hard to assume by these actions that one is anti-church...

If you wore a military uniform to pay for the right of people to destroy this country, you are a fool. Well founded honest dissent is not what anyone including Mr. Williams seems to take issue with.

Relentless attacks on all things (ideals) fundamentally American is another story.

Sorry you fail to understand the substantial difference.

Sorry you think you fought to defend the destruction of American principles...

We should give the dummycrats some of their own medicine, thats all I mean to say. We should be decrying them as treasonous evry time they try and disempower the Presidents foreign policy, because their strategy is prolonging the war and placing our soldiers in danger.

As that danger caused by the Dems increases, their answer is to vacate Iraq and bring them home from danger they themselves have created. That sounds like treason to me, but short of execution, we at least should be calling them the spades that they really are.

Hopefully, I did not forward a false quote. I apologize, in advance, if I did.

No reason to apologize, Abraham Lincoln is one of the most widely quote, and widely misquoted, president in history. That quote made an appearance recently and has been widely disseminated on the web. But Lincoln's speeches and writings widely available on the web, Here and here for example, and that quote is not to be found.

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