Now kaplan also discusses Oroboros..does he not....
the end is the beginning is the end.....

he states 2 polar opposites...lets say kether and malkuth.....lets
call them past(kether) future(malkuth).....now if these were 2
imaginary points...polar opposites..that stretch out for infinity in
opposite dirtections...kaplan states they reach a point of
infinity...and eventually come back upon them selves...and meet..
(this is modern maths.....pardon my ignorance I'm just saying what
kaplan said).....thus the end is the beginning is the end......Indeed
some forms of kabbalah teach that kether is closer to malkuth than it
is to chockmah.......

this fits in nicely with many ideas such a hindu and buddhist thought
that states the end is indeed the beginning.....we can also see this
in western esoteric thought....the divine trinity of creation
destruction and redemtion.....which is the same as the Rosicrucian
trinity of
"Ex Deo nascimur.

In Jesu Morimur

Per Spiritum Sanctum reviviscimus."

We are born in God...we die in Christ and are reborn in the Holy
SPirit.......

so creation destruction redemption is again much like the kabbalist
(and many others) idea of a return to a better state.....the end is
the beginning is the end....

this also fits in with 1 modern alternative to the standard big bang
idea that states such as I have said
above....creation....destruction...creation...an endless cycle....

No one had raised this point...so I thought I would....

--Ben

Well....here are some thoughts....

Many people like to see the tree as Linear.....as you say from A to T
or O to Z or whatever.....I think this is wrong....
Clearly if we look at Phi or the image of Oroboros we see that things
are not linear...indeed one modern magician/kabbalist states time is
a spiral and this explains why "distant past" is closer to the
present than the future.....and thus this is why it is "easy" to
contact the distant past in meditation/magic etc (sadly you really
need to see the diagram to conceive of this
fully...probably).....many kabbalaists also assert that the tree is
not linear....

How does this relate to kabbalah?.....well the tree can be seen in
many ways....the standard linear model familiar to us......the
Lurianic "modern" tree and the "hermetic tree" are but one way to
picture the tree....as you probably know.....I even have a diagram of
the tree as a 5 pointed star at home.....but anyway...in Judaic
kabbalah the tree has been shown as 1 big circle with concentric
circles within it......so we have one big circle with lesser circles
within it.....

Now on another post someone mentioned the fractal nature of the
tree......so the tree is not 2d.....frankly is a sphere 2
dimensional? no...the plan is 2d(due to the limitation of the printed
page)....but in reality the tree is not flat.....so what if we
picture the tree as one sphere......one coherant sphere ....then like
a fractal within the sphere we have the standard lurianic or hermetic
trees......much like a fractal...zooming in for greater detail...and
then of course each of the 10 within the original 1 can be zoomed in
upon.....

Now what does this have to do with the beginning is the end is the
beginning? Well a sphere and a circle have no end........and no
beginning...they just are.....much like the earth is not
flat.......its a sphere...if it had an end we'd fall off (forgetting
gravity etc for a second)........

Now in Christian Kabbalah at least (I know this isnt valid for all
forms) the tree is seen as an imperfect tree

the tree after the falll.....originally malkuth was where daath was
(ending our YHVH quaterinty of kether chockmah and binah...flame oil
lamp...illumined)thus the "great work" is to make malkuth go back to
where it originally was.....daath....

but essentially thats what I meant by creation destruction
redemption.....

eden...(creation) perfect state.........the fall (where we are
now..some would argue we are still falling)....redemptiona climg back
out of the fall back to eden.......thus the end is the beginning is
the end...

from womb to tomb to womb....

--
He who knows both knowledge and ignorance together, crosses death
through ignorance and attains immortality through knowledge.

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