Lost in all this gun talk is the fact that this kid was mentally disturbed! The parent was totally irresponsible & it all set up for the perfect **** storm.

The CIA could not have created a more dangerous killing machine.

First of all the kid was seriously messed up. His own brother wouldn't live there anymore or even visit because he was afraid of him. The Husband and ex boyfriend was also freaked out over this kid. He should have been in a facility. There had been such a facility nearby but had been shut down due to budget cuts. The mother was clearly in denial but had recently talked about moving out west and putting him in such a facility but she obviously dragged her feet too long.

...but let's not talk about mental illness and the lack of proper care available.

Secondly the young man lived his life in their huge basement decked out in camo playing first person shooters all day long. Most kids can play these games without any problems... but obviously it's not the sort of thing that should be around a troubled mind!

... but let's not talk about personal responsibility and the breakdown of society.

Third... Her weapons were stored in the same basement right along with his video game camo decked out lair. And he grew up shooting them with her. Again.... not the sort of activity for a troubled mind. It's been reported that the guns were locked up but he probably already had a key considering they were avid shooters.

Then she starts leaving the disturbed young man alone for days on end while she was taking 3 day trips while leaving the kid pre cooked meals. Yet she knows that he should be in a facility and is working towards moving him there.

So obviously... let's get rid of all the guns.

Good thing the crazy ass kid didn't have gasoline or matches we'd all be in danger of now walking to work and sun baking our BBQ ribs on the grill.

Lost in all this gun talk is the fact that this kid was mentally disturbed! The parent was totally irresponsible & it all set up for the perfect **** storm.

Yes, "a perfect storm", but not thee perfect storm. People need to be careful when playing the numbers game. What I mean is that there are so many people and so many guns in this country, that you can count on the fact that more scenarios just like this nutcase's life exist right now, even AFTER this happened. Right now, in some basement, some disturbed kid with access to guns has been playing Call of Duty for the last 20 straight hours. That doesn't mean he will do what Lanza did....but eventually, some kid, somewhere, will.

Almost any car taken will have registration and insurance, which means liability is covered, and the victims, or family, have recourse.

Mostly bull****. If someone legitimately jacks your car your insurance isn't covering any liability whatsoever. They'll buy you a new car if you've got full covg. But they're not paying for any collateral damage to anyone else. When it comes to liability they mostly insure drivers not cars.

Mostly bull****. If someone legitimately jacks your car your insurance isn't covering any liability whatsoever. They'll buy you a new car if you've got full covg. But they're not paying for any collateral damage to anyone else. When it comes to liability they mostly insure drivers not cars.

If we had liability insurance on guns, as we do 4 cars, we will see which insurance company would insure at which price folks with arsenals

It's an idea that seems to be gathering a bit of steam. At Forbes.com, John Wasik lays out the logic behind treating firearm deaths as a market externality to be compensated via insurance, as we do with cars: "Those most at risk to commit a gun crime would be known to the actuaries doing the research for insurers... An 80-year-old married woman in Fort Lauderdale would get a great rate. A 20-year-old in inner-city Chicago wouldn’t be able to afford it. A 32-year-old man with a record of drunk driving and domestic violence would have a similar problem." Robert Cyran and Reynolds Holding write that mandatory liability insurance is a measure that could pass Supreme Court muster where other restrictions might fail: "[T]here’s a strong argument that damage caused by firearms gives the government a 'compelling interest' to require insurance, the test for infringing a constitutional right."

Has there been a website or foundation set up to help benefit the families who lost loved ones or children? Please link or let me know. Couldn't help but feel for all those impacted over the holiday.

Yes many wesites, it didn't take the scumbags long to set them up.

The family of Noah Pozner was mourning their 6-year-old who was killed in the Newtown school massacre when their sorrow was compounded by outrage.

Someone they didn't know was soliciting donations in Noah's memory, claiming that they'd send any cards, packages and money collected to his parents and siblings. An official-looking website had been set up, with Noah's name as the address, even including petitions on gun control.

Noah's uncle, Alexis Haller, called on law enforcement authorities to seek out "these despicable people."

Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
cont...

Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
cont...

Firearm offenses include all reported incidents....including carrying a replica or simply carrying a weapon. But guns are very slowly entering communities, mostly carried by adolescences.

Also from 2009:
Britain records 18% fall in gun deaths

Quote:

The number of deaths in Britain from gunshot wounds has fallen to a 20-year low despite concerns about levels of violent crime.

Most of the 42 gun-related deaths last year took place in London, the West Midlands, Manchester or Merseyside, with swathes of the country recording no homicides, suicides or accidental deaths from firearms. One third of the victims were younger than 21 and four of them were female. The Gun Control Network, which campaigns for tougher restrictions on firearms, disclosed the figure, which was a sharp drop on 2007, when 51 gun-related deaths were recorded in England, Wales and Scotland.

And in all honesty, it's because someday it will be 10 round clips. Then 5. Then semi-automatics (if not before) Then anything above a single-shot. Followed by all firearms, and probably crossbows, down to knives. Maybe even longer-tined forks. Pretty much anything that can grab a headline will become a potential target.