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Re: Ravens Money Grab - Shafts PSL Holders

Originally Posted by Mista T

Another guy who used to participate here just informed me that he won two face value tickets.

I share the OP's frustration. I have had as many as three PSL accounts (down to two) and have yet to hit on the various Ravens SB tix lotteries going back to 2001. However, the OP jumps to a conclusion that the travel partner gets an allotment of tickets. Based on my knowledge of the "system" and some of the individuals involved, I believe the OP's scenario is incorrect. Go ahead, admonish some of the suite-holders who get automatic tickets, or corporate sponsors whose employees have no interest in the game, or more likely: NFL players from the 30 other teams who are looking to make a quick buck (remember the former Lions coach + UMd alumnus who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar a few years back?)

Re: Ravens Money Grab - Shafts PSL Holders

No offense, but the OP was pretty naive to send this. A Super Bowl is not like a Ravens home game or even a conference championship game. Each NFL team receives an allotment of tickets. A shitload of tickets go directly to NFL affiliates, VIPs, corporate sponsors and networks...and to NFL office and friends of the NFL. I don't know the exact allocation, but once it's said and done about 75% goes to all NFL teams, which they distribute to fans as they deem fit. The two participating teams receive the biggest percentage, each getting about 17 percent of the tickets available.

So the Ravens may get about 9,000 tickets. Understand that suite holders are guaranteed 1:1. The rest are heavily weighted to club seat holders. So the odds of your average upper level seat holder winning is very small. And prices are set by the league office. And Steve Bisciotti doesn't control the secondary market.

The team doesn't set the secondary market price. They sell the tickets to the lottery winners at face value.

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Re: Ravens Money Grab - Shafts PSL Holders

Originally Posted by JohnBKistler

I would be surprised if the Ravens had an allocation anywhere near 25% of the seats in the Super Dome.

I read, in SI I believe, that the teams get 17.9% of seats. not sure if that's total split or each but that's still jack but that's the way it works. Also, it is DEF worth the outlay for an official travel partner. When I started working here 11 years ago, one of the jobs the copy girls had up front was a lit job for a class action law suit against some guy selling phony SB trip packages for the 2000 Ravens SB. A whole busload of people ended up in the parking lot of the Clearwater mall (I lived a mile from there not 2 years before, lol) waiting for the cops. I believe they still got the opportunity to watch the game on TV somewhere though.

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Re: Ravens Money Grab - Shafts PSL Holders

It does suck that the average Joe fan who spends thousands every year on PSL's, tailgating, etc. and has been around from the beginning has almost no realistic chance of going to the Super Bowl. I guess that's just the way it is. One day if I hit the lottery, and the Ravens make the Super Bowl in the same year, I will take 50 people from here!

Re: Ravens Money Grab - Shafts PSL Holders

Yes I did win the tickets and they were $ 850 Face Value. I have two PSL's in Section 142 and one in 140. My wife has three in 140 and two in 142, but she was notified that she was not selected. With the number of PSL owners, I did not expect to get picked.

In getting our PSL's we have run into a lot of people who buy/sell on a regular basis. Since somebody mentioned elsewhere that there are Ravens' fans who are hustling their tickets for a profit, how many are simply marketeers? They are putting out the product for the best price. I would prefer that true fans get the options, but there is no way to make that call. I am glad for the opportunity, but would not feel slighted if I had not won. The hotels, the airlines, the businesses - they will all look to get the money.

I did notice last night when I picked up my tickets that the woman asked if I was a PSl owner or from a suite. I was directed to the second window to pick up the tickets I have no idea what was different about the pick-up process.

Look, the Super Bowl is a mega-event that is for the Bigger Pockets. Those of us who are involved during the season and year to year can still be in the game (at a market price), but it is not a reward process. I pay the season tickets for my pleasure, not to get any special rights to the Super Bowl. As far as I recall, I was made no promises about the likelihood of getting tickets. I would love to have a lot of other things too, but what happens, happens. I do not control it, so I try to live with it (except for last year's AFCCG, the 2006 Playoff Game, ...).

Re: Ravens Money Grab - Shafts PSL Holders

Simple numbers, 150,000 people can't fit into a single stadium so people get left out. The fact that 65% of tickets do not go to the teams is lamentable but it's the sport we follow and it's their rules. We just need a bigger stadium for the superbowl with 250,000 seats. Wonder that would look like?

Re: Ravens Money Grab - Shafts PSL Holders

Originally Posted by Captain Offense

Yes I did win the tickets and they were $ 850 Face Value. I have two PSL's in Section 142 and one in 140. My wife has three in 140 and two in 142, but she was notified that she was not selected. With the number of PSL owners, I did not expect to get picked.

Well, that's encouraging since my tickets are in section 140 and my buddies tickets are in 142. Just like the Papa Johns pizza and Sun giveaways I keep missing the goodies by a smidgen. I just have to win the superbowl ticket lottery next year.

Re: Ravens Money Grab - Shafts PSL Holders

The issue is really all about whether the Ravens hold any of their allocated tickets back for sale in the secondary market. Either they do or they don't. If they don't, the OP has nothing to complain about. If they do, I think his complaint is somewhat valid, even if the situation would be unsurprising in the grand scheme of things. I also suspect that they do not simply 'keep' some of the allocation just to sell at secondary prices (I could be wrong, and have yet to hear a definitive answer).

The issue is really all about whether the Ravens hold any of their allocated tickets back for sale in the secondary market. Either they do or they don't. If they don't, the OP has nothing to complain about. If they do, I think his complaint is somewhat valid, even if the situation would be unsurprising in the grand scheme of things. I also suspect that they do not simply 'keep' some of the allocation just to sell at secondary prices (I could be wrong, and have yet to hear a definitive answer).

There's nothing for the team to hold back. That's the point.

Tickets come from the league. The "allotment" is set by the league. When PSL holders get selected, you buy the tickets from the league.

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Re: Ravens Money Grab - Shafts PSL Holders

Originally Posted by Haloti92

The issue is really all about whether the Ravens hold any of their allocated tickets back for sale in the secondary market. Either they do or they don't. If they don't, the OP has nothing to complain about. If they do, I think his complaint is somewhat valid, even if the situation would be unsurprising in the grand scheme of things. I also suspect that they do not simply 'keep' some of the allocation just to sell at secondary prices (I could be wrong, and have yet to hear a definitive answer).

I would be shocked if the Ravens directly sold on the secondary market given the stink that came up when one assistant coach got caught selling 2 of his tickets a few years back.

Now...are some of their corporate sponsors, advertisers, etc. turning around and selling their tickets? Probably...but that is a different story.