if it is an immediate threat. >> no, that isn't true. if you have to extract someone -- that's not true. ourfbiandour c.i.a. and our local cops, actually, s.w.a.t. teams and the like have the ability to protect their own lives by not going in and if they believe someone is planning an attack and they have no other way of extracting that person without killing themselves. now, we've had -- there's so many cases -- >> stephanie: what if they had known what tim mcveigh was about to do right before he did it? >> a sniper could shoot him but they couldn't get him -- couldn't run in and grab him without endangering their cops. they had the right to make that decision. we've always had the right on american soil. that's been around forever. preobama prereagan pre-nixon that's gone back to the '20s. >> stephanie: we have to break. 46 minutes after the hour. right-wing world is next. we continue hutch days with hal on "the stephanie miller show." >> damn it jim i'm not a doctor but i think i'm dying of laughter. it is "the stephanie m