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06-10-2014 08:24 PM

I_LOVE_MY_MIKKO

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Originally Posted by lalachka

you do 10% bone and 80% meat?

Yes, and 10% organ.

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Bones provide a host of nutrients and minerals, far beyond calcium and fiber. I'd be more concerned if someone fed a raw diet with not enough bone than marginally too much.

I've read that bones are about 70 % calcium and phosphorus and provide a good source of magnesium (please correct me if I am wrong). I do not think that they provide sufficient vitamins though. I've done a complete nutritional analysis of my dog's diet and discovered that some things are very hard to get in the diet. For instance, vitamin D is low unless he is getting a lot of fish or eggs in a given week. If I took out 20% of that meat, he would never get enough vitamin D.

06-10-2014 07:40 PM

Castlemaid

Bones provide a host of nutrients and minerals, far beyond calcium and fiber. I'd be more concerned if someone fed a raw diet with not enough bone than marginally too much.

I don't think we need to get too picky about exact ratios - main thing is to provide variety. I'm sure there are periods when my dogs get less bones, other times they may get more than 30%, but in the long run, it balances out.

06-10-2014 07:27 PM

Mrs.P

You could always supplement in some boneless if that is too much bone for your guy -go off of his poop! Too crumbly more meat muscle too loose not enough bone. You will have to add in organs.

06-10-2014 07:25 PM

lalachka

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Originally Posted by I_LOVE_MY_MIKKO

If you do 30% bone, is the dog getting all required vitamins and nutrients from 20% less meat?

you do 10% bone and 80% meat?

06-10-2014 06:56 PM

I_LOVE_MY_MIKKO

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Originally Posted by Castlemaid

There are so many different schools of thought on the Muscle Meat vs. Bone ratios out there! I wound't have any problems in feeding 30% bone as part of a raw diet, and I'm probably feeding about that much and always have been.

For the question about organ meats - yes! That is what I would do - just stock up on liver, kidney, spleen, or anything else you may have access to from the supermarket and add that to the prepared raw mix.

Ratio of Organ meats recommended per meal is 5 to 10 %. As a rough guide, one whole chicken liver would be a good amount. For a puppy, I'd start with just a very small amount of liver or other organ meats and gradually work my way up to the 5-10% ratio.

If you do 30% bone, is the dog getting all required vitamins and nutrients from 20% less meat?

06-10-2014 05:29 PM

Castlemaid

There are so many different schools of thought on the Muscle Meat vs. Bone ratios out there! I wound't have any problems in feeding 30% bone as part of a raw diet, and I'm probably feeding about that much and always have been.

For the question about organ meats - yes! That is what I would do - just stock up on liver, kidney, spleen, or anything else you may have access to from the supermarket and add that to the prepared raw mix.

Ratio of Organ meats recommended per meal is 5 to 10 %. As a rough guide, one whole chicken liver would be a good amount. For a puppy, I'd start with just a very small amount of liver or other organ meats and gradually work my way up to the 5-10% ratio.

06-10-2014 05:28 PM

pr3dict

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Originally Posted by I_LOVE_MY_MIKKO

30% bone? That is really high!

I know they do not leae any room for any organs but when I spoke with them that is what they told me, also it is listed on their website as such.

I really just need a plan from step 1 of buying the ingredients of what I need all the along the way of preparing it and serving it.

06-10-2014 05:22 PM

Pax8

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Originally Posted by pr3dict

I have a local butcher which also sells Raw mixes. They sell chicken, beef, turkey, and duck in 5lb rolls that are made up of 70% meat, and 30% bone. at $75 for 50lbs that's an amazing price in my book.

Wish I had a deal like that around me!

If the mixes your butcher sells are just muscle meat and ground bone, then you can just add in the various organs to balance out the meal. You definitely need liver and I strongly recommend green tripe. Other than that, kidney, spleen, stomach, testicles, eyes, etc are all good things to add.

The liver is the only thing I tend to spend more on. I get my liver organic because the liver is the organ that filters out many toxins so I prefer it to be as free of commercial toxins as possible. Though that of course is completely personal preference.

I find chicken and pig feet, pig snouts, and even beef tendon regularly at my local asian market and they are also good things to feed occasionally as they contain a good amount of glucosamine for healthy joints.

Much of raw feeding is constant adjustment. If poop is runny, add more bone, if it is too hard and he is struggling too much, add a bit more liver. You'll be adjusting every week or possibly every day as he grows up, and you'll get used to it quickly.

06-10-2014 04:59 PM

I_LOVE_MY_MIKKO

30% bone? That is really high!

06-10-2014 04:11 PM

lalachka

Adding in some Organs

5% orgAns other than heart and liver and 5 % liver. Heart is considered muscle meat