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Re: Ichigo's name having more meaning?

Since the manga was supposed to end after the SS arc, no. Any other explanation than those given in the first arcs is a retcon, it's as simple as that isn't it?

True, but then again almost everything in Bleach is a retcon isn't it?

I agree that Ichigo may simply have gotten his name because it's something inspirational, "he who protects", with no other meaning behind his name, but it wouldn't be the first time that Kubo uses that remarkable ingenuity to come up with a backstory for it!!!

Predictions

Just as Quincies are evolved beings born from Humans, Shinigami are evolved beings born from Hollows.

Once Yhwach dies, Ichigo's Quincy powers will disappear and his soul will become unstable, causing the onset of Soul Suicide.

Re: Ichigo's name having more meaning?

A lot of you are saying fullbringers shouldn't be classified as a unique soul. Sure but maybe it's something else. Like that form he took when his sword was attached to his body. Or something similar to the soul king and H-Aizen. I just really like this theory by chorns.

Re: Ichigo's name having more meaning?

Originally Posted by Schabrak

Since the manga was supposed to end after the SS arc, no. Any other explanation than those given in the first arcs is a retcon, it's as simple as that isn't it?

Vaizards were never to be introduced, Ichigo was never to tame his inner Hollow, he wasn't meant to kill Grand Fisher in Arrancar form, Isshin not calling Kon "Ichigo" as a clue he was a Shinigami is worthless, Ryuken being Quincy, that abandoned his power, many Shikais and Bankais not shown, and Ichigo's past should be mystery forever. Kubo wanted to end it after SS arc? What about Aizen? Manga wasn't supposed to end with SS arc. HM arc was made up on the spot. That doesn't mean, that manga was to end after SS... Kubo himself said, that he had current arc planned for a long time (10 years IIRC). I hate when people bring up that topic, wanting to show how much they know. -.-

Re: Ichigo's name having more meaning?

Originally Posted by Duniak

Vaizards were never to be introduced, Ichigo was never to tame his inner Hollow, he wasn't meant to kill Grand Fisher in Arrancar form, Isshin not calling Kon "Ichigo" as a clue he was a Shinigami is worthless, Ryuken being Quincy, that abandoned his power, many Shikais and Bankais not shown, and Ichigo's past should be mystery forever. Kubo wanted to end it after SS arc? What about Aizen? Manga wasn't supposed to end with SS arc. HM arc was made up on the spot. That doesn't mean, that manga was to end after SS... Kubo himself said, that he had current arc planned for a long time (10 years IIRC). I hate when people bring up that topic, wanting to show how much they know. -.-

It's actually quite similar to how some individuals believe the Menos can only be taken out by the Elite Royal Guard or what ever Elites they are talking about was retconned by Kubo but you know what is foolish about this thought?

.Rukia was a normal shinigami who hadn't experience the reality of the worlds & the many creatures that exists, meaning she was ignorant of it.

.Noobie shinigami like her aren't suppose to encounter a Menos Class Hollow (she came to the human world thinking she would kill those weak class hollows & Ukitake was fully confident in her ability to do so) but Aizen altered certain changes.

. Ichigo defeated the Menos didn't he? The same Ichigo that got owned by 2 shinigamis that were introduced 4 chapters later.

Re: Ichigo's name having more meaning?

menos are very varied in power, it makes sense only elite shinigami would handle them. Surely gillian are relatively easy to deal with but having the royal guard deal with adjuca and vasto lords makes sense, specially considering SS didn't use to have the means to effectively travel to HM and the royals seem to be able to move in between worlds easily (while we haven't seen them go to HM yet it would make sense if they had better means than even urahara to get there).

Rukia was a normal shinigami only in the sense that she was not a seated officer. What we saw did not necessarily suggest she was altogether weak as a shinigami.

To be fair, we know going to HM didn't use to be an easy thing for shinigami and a gillian going to the human world was unprecedented (and forced by aizen). It makes sense a lot of shinigami had not actually seen a menos even as seated officers.

Ichigo just wounded the menos and forced it to retreat. He did not necessarily win the battle.

Re: Ichigo's name having more meaning?

Originally Posted by kkck

menos are very varied in power, it makes sense only elite shinigami would handle them. Surely gillian are relatively easy to deal with but having the royal guard deal with adjuca and vasto lords makes sense, specially considering SS didn't use to have the means to effectively travel to HM and the royals seem to be able to move in between worlds easily (while we haven't seen them go to HM yet it would make sense if they had better means than even urahara to get there).

Rukia was a normal shinigami only in the sense that she was not a seated officer. What we saw did not necessarily suggest she was altogether weak as a shinigami.

To be fair, we know going to HM didn't use to be an easy thing for shinigami and a gillian going to the human world was unprecedented (and forced by aizen). It makes sense a lot of shinigami had not actually seen a menos even as seated officers.

.Ichigo just wounded the menos and forced it to retreat. He did not necessarily win the battle.

Re: Ichigo's name having more meaning?

Originally Posted by Duniak

Soul in Rukongai lives differently from Shinigamis and differently from humans. If Humans are different form than Quincies and Fullbringers, then Souls are different form than Hollow and Shinigami. Human is an empty shell, but that shell can be filled with some powers. Humans with spiritual pressure can become Quincies. Souls with spiritual pressure can become Shinigami. But there are anomalies. Soul without Soul Burial is consumed by negative emotions and becomes HOLLOW. If that Hollow attacks pregnant woman, her child becomes Fullbringer. So Human is different, but soul is not? Let's be consistent.

A plus soul is kinda a neutral ground, they can either become a hollow, shinigami or stay as a plus if too weak, or get eaten by a hollow if too weak (In general).
I wouldn't call plus souls any different than a human though, they're merely dead humans, after all.
A shinigami is a human who has a lot of reatsu, has been through a soul burial to seal off their hollow powers, and has gotten an Asauchi, so they can manipulate their inner spirit.
So in a sense, I think that plus souls and humans are more or less the same, just that a plus is a dead human, but they still fall in the same category for me.
You can't say I'm incosistant, you should at least try understand what I write before saying something like that.

Vaizards were never to be introduced, Ichigo was never to tame his inner Hollow, he wasn't meant to kill Grand Fisher in Arrancar form, Isshin not calling Kon "Ichigo" as a clue he was a Shinigami is worthless, Ryuken being Quincy, that abandoned his power, many Shikais and Bankais not shown, and Ichigo's past should be mystery forever. Kubo wanted to end it after SS arc? What about Aizen? Manga wasn't supposed to end with SS arc. HM arc was made up on the spot. That doesn't mean, that manga was to end after SS... Kubo himself said, that he had current arc planned for a long time (10 years IIRC). I hate when people bring up that topic, wanting to show how much they know. -.-

At the very least get your facts straight before you try to state such things in such a way.
Kubo didn't Expect this much success, so yes, it was supposed to end after SS, but he had still planned the story further than SS.

So both you AND the one you quote are correct. He planned further, but didn't expect to get that far, so sheez, calm down, and try get along with people.
Just because you see things in your perspective, doesn't mean that things can't be seen any different.

The world is flat, most people belived this as fact , untll someone changed their views. The same goes here, you should make a discussion, not flat out enforce your own views.

Re: Ichigo's name having more meaning?

Originally Posted by Quantized

A plus soul is kinda a neutral ground, they can either become a hollow, shinigami or stay as a plus if too weak, or get eaten by a hollow if too weak (In general).
I wouldn't call plus souls any different than a human though, they're merely dead humans, after all.
A shinigami is a human who has a lot of reatsu, has been through a soul burial to seal off their hollow powers, and has gotten an Asauchi, so they can manipulate their inner spirit.
So in a sense, I think that plus souls and humans are more or less the same, just that a plus is a dead human, but they still fall in the same category for me.
You can't say I'm incosistant, you should at least try understand what I write before saying something like that.

Of course I can. If human WITHOUT any reiatsu and soul WITHOUT any reiatsu is the same for you, then trained human with reiatsu (also known as Quincy or Fullbringer), should be the same as soul with reiatsu (also known as Shinigami or Hollow, depending of Soul Burial). Stretching facts so they'd fit your theory is little lame IMO. You're better than that. Or should I say, stretching facts so my post could be disproved, forcing me to further discussion.

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At the very least get your facts straight before you try to state such things in such a way.
Kubo didn't Expect this much success, so yes, it was supposed to end after SS, but he had still planned the story further than SS.

And what was the point at the beggining? ^^ Kubo didn't plan the story further than SS, so everything further is a retcon. I countered that. Hardly did I say, that Kubo expected such success. When he was still making SS arc, Bleach was already pretty popular so it's not strange he continued it. And even if he planned to end it after SS arc, he still left some huge plotholes from BEFORE SS arc.

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The world is flat, most people belived this as fact , untll someone changed their views. The same goes here, you should make a discussion, not flat out enforce your own views.

Why would I start slowly? I'm always curious how Schabrak-the-Almighty will respond. Saying everything after SS arc is changing the facts is just bullshit, as we have much foreshadowing in SS arc and before SS arc. Grand Fisher escaped in like 20 chapters. And what? Kubo didn't plan to take him off after SS arc? Save Rukia and gtfo? Revenge on GF never taken? Some things indicate, that he had plans for it even before SS arc, that's why I always discuss it with people who claim otherwise. Result is always the same.