MICHAEL, personally, was a mess. And too often absurd. Just watch the 12 minute "Rock My World" video on YouTube and you'll see (or remember) how full of sh!t his machine was. As I wrote, "troubling at best". I am nonetheless stunned, saddened, and mournful at his death. MICHAEL's death is not just some personal tragedy, waste, or horror.

Aint it funny, how the press couldn't hate this guy enough over the last 15 or 20 years, & now they can't stop fawning over him.

I was saying the same exact thing. The media is just full of such hypocrites.

I don't think he's the greatest entertainer, but he was a fabulous artist who transcended to the highest level of the entertainment world. Like Elvis, Lennon, Hendrix etc... there's only one Michael Jackson. Let's hope he finds the peace now that eluded him his entire life.

Isn't it also sad that here's a man who had everything. Who most people would be satisfied to have a sliver of what we perceived him having, and yet he was terribly alone and isolated from living. It's extremely sad.

Boy you guy are heartless RC Merchant, Akiratubo, Dogget the guy had a mess up life his father emotional,verbal,physical abuse him and his brothers. I bet if your dad did that to you I bet you be a little mess up in the head. Still MJ will always be one of greatest entertainers of all time.

Sigh

The guy was a creepy freak.A talanted freak...a freak not of his creating...but a freak none the less

Sorry.

I don't think there's as much fun to be had here as there was from DC's death....

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If God exists, why did he make me an atheist? Thats His first mistake.

Boy you guy are heartless RC Merchant, Akiratubo, Dogget the guy had a mess up life his father emotional,verbal,physical abuse him and his brothers. I bet if your dad did that to you I bet you be a little mess up in the head. Still MJ will always be one of greatest entertainers of all time.

John Wayne Gacy had a rotton childhood too. It didn't break my heart when he took a sh!t either. If I feel sorry for anyone-it's the kids he molested.

As for abusive childhoods, I survived one myself and I didn't turn into some sort of train wreck. And yep it was the tell you you are worthless, treat you like crap, and beat you with their fist type of childhood. So I loathe those who like to try to claim that as a defense for someone's behavior.

As far as Michael Jackson, I figure a few things are going to happen and willing to lay odds on them.

First, I figure whomever owns Neverland Ranch is going to turn it into a tourist attraction similar to Graceland. There is just too much money that can be made, especially now that Jackson is dead, off that place. Hardcore fans will flock to it like it was their Mecca and others will want to visit it with the intrest of viewing a freakshow. My odds for this are 2:1

Second, someone is going to claim Michael Jackson was murdered by a conspiracy. Why? Because people love a good conspiracy theory and every celebrity that dies before they reach 65+ usually has one attached to them. These almost always pop up when a celeb dies suddenly as Jackson did. Figure someone will (if not already) have started circulating rumors that he was murdered by a shadow group that was out to get him because of his success, fame, or history acquittals for child molestation charges. My odds for this 1:1

Third, I figure with in the next 2 to 5 years, we will get Michael Jackson sighting fuelling the rumor that he faked his death. Somebody will be in their local grocery store, Wal-Mart, or whatever and claim they seen him. Tabloids will pick up the rumor and run with it fuelling it further. All this despite the fact that with the advent of the internet, the rabid way the entertainment media run these days, and the fact that there is too much money to be made by proving any celebrity faked their death, people will insist that he faked his death. Like him or not, Jackson was one of the few big celebs known world wide that you honestly can expect to have someone claim this about because they seen a guy leaving the 7-11 int he middle of the night in a bathrobe who might vaguely resemble him that just bought a pack of M&M's and a Pepsi. My odds for this 3:1

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Ok gang up on me I don't care I'm just saying what you guys don't want nobody to say on here that he still a great entertainer and that I feel sorry that he didn't have a childhood. Now RC Merchant putting MJ with Gacy is just plane stupid just like when people saying Obama is like Hitler.

Ok gang up on me I don't care I'm just saying what you guys don't want nobody to say on here that he still a great entertainer and that I feel sorry that he didn't have a childhood. Now RC Merchant putting MJ with Gacy is just plane stupid just like when people saying Obama is like Hitler.

They're just responding to your initial comments. I don't think they're ganging up on you and there are people on here who echo your sentiments about MJ's talent, myself included. Its obvious MJ's death has sparked a huge range of mixed emotions in the world and this board is no different. The most common I'm finding here and elsewhere is the man was a remarkable entertainer. However, people can't overlook that he had odd personal issues that honestly led to his downfalls. Those issues are going to invoke some "good f-him" responses in the world which is understandable. Although I am not condoning his wrong life decisions, I chose to try to remember him as a man who gave me several hours of entertainment in the 80s. A guy who put music video on the map with Triller and Billy Jean. Kind of like people who choose to remember Elvis respectively as the handsome, well cut guy and not the overweight wreck he was at the end of his career.

If only he died naked, tied up and maturbating in a wardrobe...Then we could have fun on this thread and we wouldn't care about his...dubious...is that a good word to use...It'll do...life.And we wouldn't be arguing with each other. C'mon guys, we're all friends here, no need to get rough.

Why can't all deaths be like David's ?

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If God exists, why did he make me an atheist? Thats His first mistake.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on MJ. To say the least his behavior actually on screen was peculiar. When the first go round of molestation charges were aimed at him, I firmly believed he was guilty. Due to what I heard from the media. Then when the trial the second time came round, I firmly believed he was innocent, after hearing him in those bizarre interviews he did.

People made fun and found him bizarre because he liked to sit in a tree, play with kids and even have little boys sleep in the same bed (or room) as him. But, he's Michael Jackson, these kids LOVE him. They want to be around him 24 hours a day. MJ said repeatedly he missed not having a childhood. Well, Neverland afforded him the luxury of having a childhood.

Is it weird? I don't honestly think so.

Is the plastic surgery bizarre? For us maybe, but not for him. He was judged a lot for his looks, and that's not really anyone's business but his own.

We're all too ready to judge without knowing all the facts, and disregarding the ones that don't fit our outcome.

If he molested little boys that's an entirely different story. He was never convicted of the crimes, and when the amount of money is on the line that MJ had, questions do rise as to why a parent would let their child spend so much time alone with someone like MJ.

Regardless, I feel sorry for him. Because he was so talented, made millions smile, had the world on a string, and was completely miserable.

Personally, I couldn't stand his music, and his antics were downright gross to me. I find it hard to believe he was innocent of all the molestation accusations, especially with the huge payoffs to drop the case(s). That's called blackmail when the person is innocent, and even if MJ didn't know that, surely the team of lawyers that defended him did. "Innocent until proven guilty" only applies to the court, the rest of us are allowed to use discretion. When a person is accused of something, typically they hide if if they're guilty, and bring it to light if they're innocent. He tried to hide it.As for the whole "unhappy childhood" crap, BFD. Many people have childhoods that are as bad or even worse, it's still not an excuse, especially considering the resources he has to deal with it through therapy.

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Ok gang up on me I don't care I'm just saying what you guys don't want nobody to say on here that he still a great entertainer and that I feel sorry that he didn't have a childhood. Now RC Merchant putting MJ with Gacy is just plane stupid just like when people saying Obama is like Hitler.

For one thing...I'm not jumping on you. If I jumped on you...you would know it. Second-comparing Jackson to Gacy-Gacy was a criminal pervert and so was Jackson. I merely stated that Gacy had a rotton childhood as well...but that doesn't escuse him for his crimes. In my eyes, a child molester is scum. I had a rotton childhood as well. But I don't kill people and hide them in my basement,or molest little boys. He was mentally sick? Sure. But you shoot rabid dogs . Because they are uncontrolable and dangerous.

I think its a sad commentary that "celebrity" allows you to get away with things that the majority of the population would be crucified for. But a celebrity? no. People let them off way to easy. Jackson, O.J. Robert Blake.. you get the gist. And its not just violent crimes like murder or molestation but drugs, car accidents, stealing.. it boggles my mind.

Jackson may have had a terrible childhood but that doesn't negate what he has done.

Im curious what will happen to his children? Do they have a chance at a normal life? If they go with his family, considering the abuse allegations, it doesnt seem like they will. If they go with their biological mother who had them for money, gave them away for money and will only take them back because of money, normal seems unlikely.

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