Right three guys. Didn't agree with the Lowe and Patrick Russell signings, and I might have moved on from Cagguila at 1.5, but at least they aren't qualifying a bunch of fringe prospects with expiring deals.

Right there guys. Didn't agree with the Lowe and Patrick Russell signings, and I might have moved on from Cagguila at 1.5, but at least they aren't qualifying a bunch of fringe prospects with expiring deals.

I'm surprised they kept P. Russell, guy has slow feet, already 25, and not doing much in the AHL, so not likely to do anything in the NHL, so ... why waste a development spot?

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.

I wouldn't worry about that. Chiarelli won't let somebody else set the market.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.

I wouldn't worry about that. Chiarelli won't let somebody else set the market.

Strome's contract needs to start with a 2. I'd have no problem with a 1 or 2 yr dear as a show me. If he wants more, I'd look at trading him.

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.

I wouldn't worry about that. Chiarelli won't let somebody else set the market.

Strome's contract needs to start with a 2. I'd have no problem with a 1 or 2 yr dear as a show me. If he wants more, I'd look at trading him.

I believe his qualifying offer was 1 year, $3MM. I don't think he's signing a deal that starts with a 2.

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.

I dont know how he has setup the model but Matt Cane created a full list of FA projections including RFA's

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.

I thought that was actually a decent deal for Rust. He has good chemistry with Malkin. 2 time cup winner too :), and scored 6 and 7 goals in those cup runs.

40+ point pace guys have a going rate of 3-4M now. We're probably gonna pay 3.5 or so for Strome's 34 points in 82 games.

"The Edmonton Oilers are not where they should be right now and that is unacceptable. We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
-Kevin Lowe, April 2013

"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
- #2, April 2015

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.

Rude

I nominate this single word post as a "post of the year" candidate

If someone could compile all the (blanks) of the year nominations so we could have an Oilfans Award Show, that would be so nice.

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.

Rude

I nominate this single word post as a "post of the year" candidate

If someone could compile all the (blanks) of the year nominations so we could have an Oilfans Award Show, that would be so nice.

That sounds like a job for Rocksteady. Anyone else compiles that list, and it will seem too sarcastic!

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.

I don't mind seeing players file for arbitration. You have some certainty that they'll reach an agreement and there's no more risk of offer sheets once they file. 95% of the cases never get adjudicated anyhow and there's more of a science now than 20 years ago, so you don't have as many cases where there's massive animosity created by the process (ie. Milbury/Salo).

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.

All the market comps are $3MM+ and his qualifying offer was at $3MM, so not likely he's going to make less. Only question is how long you want him for. If it's only 1-2 years, you can probably keep the cost down a little.

Nurse is probably the second highest paid d-man when all is said and done here.

There's $8MM cap space - I'd bet that Strome and Nurse eat up pretty much all of it. That still only gives us 22 roster players, so there's probably a very cheap 14th forward out there somewhere, unless the team somehow finds a way to free cap space and replace a body with someone who's more economical.

Interesting thought on the 14th forward - the Gryba buyout is probably a significant difference if you have a player at league minimum, or someone you can pay 50% more...

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.

All the market comps are $3MM+ and his qualifying offer was at $3MM, so not likely he's going to make less. Only question is how long you want him for. If it's only 1-2 years, you can probably keep the cost down a little.

Nurse is probably the second highest paid d-man when all is said and done here.

There's $8MM cap space - I'd bet that Strome and Nurse eat up pretty much all of it. That still only gives us 22 roster players, so there's probably a very cheap 14th forward out there somewhere, unless the team somehow finds a way to free cap space and replace a body with someone who's more economical.

Interesting thought on the 14th forward - the Gryba buyout is probably a significant difference if you have a player at league minimum, or someone you can pay 50% more...

I wouldn't sign him for any longer than 1-2 years because when you have a guy in McDavid making what it would cost you for 2-3 really good NHLers, you have to find ways to save money in other areas. So you can't be spending big money on your bottom 6.

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.

Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.

Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.

Technically, it would be 3 years ago.

And Ryan Strome had a 50 point season once upon a time too.

I called this out as an issue when they first traded for Strome. The Oilers got no cost certainty beyond the year when Mcdavid was still on his ELC and therefore they didn't need (and as it turned out, didn't even use) the cap space.

So now they're going to be paying between $3-$4M for a guy that's going to score 30-ish points and doesn't PK or really contribute to the PP. This is not a rare player and they are not getting any kind of bargain for him. They essentially traded Eberle for nothing.

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.

Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.

Technically, it would be 3 years ago.

And Ryan Strome had a 50 point season once upon a time too.

I called this out as an issue when they first traded for Strome. The Oilers got no cost certainty beyond the year when Mcdavid was still on his ELC and therefore they didn't need (and as it turned out, didn't even use) the cap space.

So now they're going to be paying between $3-$4M for a guy that's going to score 30-ish points and doesn't PK or really contribute to the PP. This is not a rare player and they are not getting any kind of bargain for him. They essentially traded Eberle for nothing.

It really is amazing how many trades look below average in the moment and age even worse.
At a risk of being yet another poster branded as negative I actually have a form of sports fan PTSD every time my phone notifies me of a Score update that is Oiler related. I am at the point where it is more likely than not a deal that looks bad at first glance and in two years look seven worse.

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.

Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.

Technically, it would be 3 years ago.

And Ryan Strome had a 50 point season once upon a time too.

I called this out as an issue when they first traded for Strome. The Oilers got no cost certainty beyond the year when Mcdavid was still on his ELC and therefore they didn't need (and as it turned out, didn't even use) the cap space.

So now they're going to be paying between $3-$4M for a guy that's going to score 30-ish points and doesn't PK or really contribute to the PP. This is not a rare player and they are not getting any kind of bargain for him. They essentially traded Eberle for nothing.

It really is amazing how many trades look below average in the moment and age even worse.
At a risk of being yet another poster branded as negative I actually have a form of sports fan PTSD every time my phone notifies me of a Score update that is Oiler related. I am at the point where it is more likely than not a deal that looks bad at first glance and in two years look seven worse.

#PlusOne

Why can't you just believe in the plan, PlusOne? You don't know the future.

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.

Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.

Technically, it would be 3 years ago.

And Ryan Strome had a 50 point season once upon a time too.

I called this out as an issue when they first traded for Strome. The Oilers got no cost certainty beyond the year when Mcdavid was still on his ELC and therefore they didn't need (and as it turned out, didn't even use) the cap space.

So now they're going to be paying between $3-$4M for a guy that's going to score 30-ish points and doesn't PK or really contribute to the PP. This is not a rare player and they are not getting any kind of bargain for him. They essentially traded Eberle for nothing.

It really is amazing how many trades look below average in the moment and age even worse.
At a risk of being yet another poster branded as negative I actually have a form of sports fan PTSD every time my phone notifies me of a Score update that is Oiler related. I am at the point where it is more likely than not a deal that looks bad at first glance and in two years look seven worse.

You could go glass half-full on this..."Yes, it sucks that we made this terrible signing/trade/decision today, but at least I don't feel as bad about this as I probably will in two years time, so let's enjoy the now!"

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.

Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.

Technically, it would be 3 years ago.

And Ryan Strome had a 50 point season once upon a time too.

I called this out as an issue when they first traded for Strome. The Oilers got no cost certainty beyond the year when Mcdavid was still on his ELC and therefore they didn't need (and as it turned out, didn't even use) the cap space.

So now they're going to be paying between $3-$4M for a guy that's going to score 30-ish points and doesn't PK or really contribute to the PP. This is not a rare player and they are not getting any kind of bargain for him. They essentially traded Eberle for nothing.

It really is amazing how many trades look below average in the moment and age even worse.
At a risk of being yet another poster branded as negative I actually have a form of sports fan PTSD every time my phone notifies me of a Score update that is Oiler related. I am at the point where it is more likely than not a deal that looks bad at first glance and in two years look seven worse.

You could go glass half-full on this..."Yes, it sucks that we made this terrible signing/trade/decision today, but at least I don't feel as bad about this as I probably will in two years time, so let's enjoy the now!"

Not a bad idea. If I combine that with Pi's idea;

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 11:07

#PlusOne

Why can't you just believe in the plan, PlusOne? You don't know the future.

Go full Carpe Diem

Ignore the past, it has no bearing on predicting the future.
Relish in the now, it could, and will, get worse.

Except that Plusone has been a nickname since well before I used it on OilFans I would change my user name here to embrace my new outlook.

The Strome contract is actually pretty decent. 100K over qualifying on a 2 yr deal. Considering Jenner just signed for 4 yrs at 3.75 mill which I think is high and I just read an article written by McCurdy that Stromes numbers and Jenners numbers are virtually identical (Strome has 5 less games and 2 less points), I think Chia did a good job with this one.

The Strome contract is actually pretty decent. 100K over qualifying on a 2 yr deal. Considering Jenner just signed for 4 yrs at 3.75 mill which I think is high and I just read an article written by McCurdy that Stromes numbers and Jenners numbers are virtually identical (Strome has 5 less games and 2 less points), I think Chia did a good job with this one.

...wonder who was saying yesterday..."I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3."...

The Strome contract is actually pretty decent. 100K over qualifying on a 2 yr deal. Considering Jenner just signed for 4 yrs at 3.75 mill which I think is high and I just read an article written by McCurdy that Stromes numbers and Jenners numbers are virtually identical (Strome has 5 less games and 2 less points), I think Chia did a good job with this one.

...wonder who was saying yesterday..."I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3."...

I would prefer Strome be under 3 mill personally but I want every player to come in cheaper than they usually are. But as I said and qualified my response with, considering Jenner just signed for 3.75 mill yesterday and they are virtually the same player, 3.1 mill is pretty good. By the looks of things, the Oilers just saved themselves 650K for a player who will probably put up similar numbers to Jenner. Is there something wrong with that?