Life Under the Blue Sky: The View From Below

Atheists and Homosexuals are Recruiting!

I have been noting in some of these posts that there is an assault being mounted by the unrighteous of this world against Christ. But it’s more than a mere assault (which I’m certain Christ will withstand) and more like an evangelistic crusade. Atheists are doing it, consider this quote by Richard Dawkins which I nipped from another website:

“If this book works as I intend, religious readers who open it will be atheists when they put it down… Of course, dyed-in-the-wool faith-heads are immune to argument, their resistance built up over years of childhood indoctrination using methods that took centuries to mature. Among the more effective immunological devices is a dire warning to avoid even opening a book like this, which is surely a work of Satan.” (From The God Delusion at http://michaelkrahn.com/blog/richard-dawkins/)

Even atheists are recruiting.

Well, homosexuals are recruiting too. This is from a website called Out of Context (http://www.outofcontext.us/index.htm). The author, John Rumple, wrote this in a devotional he titled “God Made Me Gay.”

Right now, gay people know what it’s like to live as the “unclean” and unlovable outsiders, and can therefore reach out to others in society who are also in this position.

Two people of the same sex share a unique and special bond, often living as equals in Christ in a way that counters the patriarchal, domineering relationships still fostered by some versions of Christianity.

Gay people often have gifts and sensitivities that others do not (this may stereotype to some extent, but stereotypes usually contain some truth!).

Gay people appreciate the ironies of life, the irreconcilable complexities, and thus learn to appreciate God’s mysterious greatness and the constant need for a humble faith.

Gay people live as counters to the idolization of one type of person (has your church ever made you feel that you weren’t “acceptable” until you looked, talked, and acted like a straight person living in the 1950s?).

Gay people possess perspectives, insights, and wisdom that can only come from their unique experience of life in this world.

Is this last sentence for real? So, the gist of this is simple: If you want to have special insights, perspectives, live outside the 1950’s (I would counter that homsexuals are living in the pre-dawn days of Sodom and Gomorrah), and all this other stuff, then all one has to do is become gay. And, certainly, none of us non-gay people have any idea what it’s like to be ‘unclean’ because Christ came down and saved us while we were pristine and none of us have any idea what it means to struggle with sin in our lives because we have already been made perfect! The best way, he seems to be saying, to understand the things of this world and of God, is by living in a wholly sinful, physically relationship with another man. And those who do not, or object, are abusers, malcontents, and serious misusers of the Scripture! Really? Is this meant to be taken as credible scholarship and insight into the Holy Word of God??

I’ll take my risks that that perspective is one I don’t need or desire.

So he’s recruting too. He wants, like so many other homosexuals, full inclusion in all aspects of life and, worse, the church and will be profoundly unhappy until all churches follow the likes of certain other denominations that have made homosexuality a part of their creed.

Is it really necessary to become a homsexual in order to be a sensitive man (or do we want that sort of sensitivity?)? But even so, it’s that last sentence that really got to me: Gay people possess perspectives, insights, and wisdom that can only come from their unique experience of life in this world. If that is not a recruiting phrase, nothing is, because who wants to be known as un-insightful, unwise (The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom), and un-perspectivized (I made that word up)?

But, so that no one thinks I invented this, let’s hear from the apostle:

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).

The only way this verse does not mean what it says is if it is relativized to be applicable to only those Paul wrote to in Corinth.

I don’t personally know anyone who says that homsexuals should be beaten or abused or ridiculed or taunted or treated as second class citizens. And the States of this United States will, sadly, continue to take rights away from folks in order to make new rights for others. I can vote to change it but not much else.

But the Church? The Scripture? The Scripture is not ours to manipulate to our ends and the church, the Body of Christ, of which Christ Jesus Himself is the Head, is not ours to contaminate. And, worse, using Scripture to justify something God has explicitely decreed sinful, is, well, sinful. This is wrong, and this fella who is trying desparately to bring about, in his own words, ‘the full inclusion of gay people into the Body of Christ, is wrong for suggesting it. He wants to ‘. . . to end the abuse of gay people by conservative Christians though education, dialogue, and building community in Christ.’ But what he does not understand from the Scripture he claims to adore is that there is no fellowship between righteousness and unrighteousness, light and darkness, good and evil. He mistakes protecting and maintaining the purity of the church for ‘abuse’.

I’ll say it this way: There can be no community of Christ where Scripture is distorted and taken, by their own admission, ‘out of context’, where sin is tolerated, advocated, and practiced, and where such unrepentant folks seek to do away with Christ’s Cross by refusing to repent of sin and bring their lives into full submission to Christ Jesus.

Paul said it: There is no fellowship between Christ and Belial. Now, if the apostle would not allow Christians to marry pagans in a heterosexual context, what on earth would possess someone to think Paul would tolerate homsexual marriage or even relationships? (2 Corinthians 6:14-18) No. There can be no fellowship, no Christian community, where this sort of activity is tolerated and promoted as something from God. There will be no ‘community of Christ’ consisting of the righteous and the unrighteous. And if it does happen: It will not be of God’s ordaining, nor will it have his blessing. It’s Christ’s church. Dare we challenge Him?

jerry

This is a matter Scripture and it’s sufficiency and interpretation. My issue here is not with the author of ‘out of context’ as a person, but with his attempt to use Scripture to justify a wholly unjustifiable position. This is not bashing, or abuse. This is the maintaining and protecting of the Church, the Word of God, and the sanctity of Marriage.

Damn! You mean the queers and the godless want to recruit others to their point of view? Only us christians should be allowed to do that! What will they demand next? Seperate but equal Churches, no doubt.

It’s refreshing to see someone to entirely clueless about living in the modern world. Atheists and homosexuals have no interest in recruiting anyone, least of all people who are so simple as to believe the myth of Jesus. The sanctity of marriage takes a real hit when you realize that more Christians get divorced than do atheists, two to one.

First, thanks for reading. I’m glad I got you thinking about matters of faith and morality. Did you read the quote by Richard Dawkins that I posted? Or are you unable to comprehend what he is saying? When he says that his stated purpose is for religious people to become atheists by the time they read the last page of his book, that is called proselytizing, recruiting, or evangelism.

Your argument about the number of divorces between Christians and atheists is a red-herring. The faults, sins, and stupidity of human beings has nothing to do with whether or not marriage was established by God in the beginning, and that it was established between one man and one woman and is therefore hallowed not by man or law, but by God. (But you don’t have to believe that, I suppose, if you don’t believe; do you?) And, furthermore, that the New Testament book of Hebrews calls on Christians to keep the marriage bed pure and holy. Or that the apostle Paul in his writings decries divorce and even says that a believer married to an unbeliever (evidently, it became this way after they were married) should not seek divorce.

Your argument means nothing because sanctity is not dependent upon human constructs or ideas. And it’s sanctity is not dismantled just because we foul it up or because you cite divorce statistics. It’s sanctity exists because God has made it so and established it and has redeemed even marriage in Christ’s Cross. Try again, friend.

I’m not really sure what you are talking about in your reply. I’m not saying they (homosexuals) can’t do something. The very fact that they are proves that they can. However, since there can be no fellowship between Christ and Belial, Light and Darkness, etc., then the only way for homosexuals to establish themselves is, in fact, to start their own ‘church’ and trust that perhaps the grace of God might overlook what the Word of God specifically says is sin (See Romans and Corinthians). I see no compatibility between the homosexual movement and the Body of Christ because there can be no compatibility between righteousness and unrighteousness. I hope this makes sense what I’m saying.

The misconception many people have is that every Christian on the planet hates homosexuals. Well, this is not true. In fact, many of us pray for homosexuals (especially the ones we know) because we realize that if Scripture is telling the truth (and we believe it is) then (practicing & militant, not celibate & repentant) homosexuals are living a life that is wholly incompatible with a Holy God and His Word to us. True, there are some Christians who, rather absurdly, make a mockery of the Scripture and God in their arrogance, but that is not true of all Christians anymore than it is true that all homosexuals are militant, evangelistic, and unrepentant. I won’t paint that broadly for either group.

My criticism is not of homosexuals per se, but of that militant faction IN THE CHURCH that wants to establish a compatibility, a body of Christ, a fellowship between homosexuals and not-homosexuals, on the basis of some perceived equality before God, and then want to abuse Scripture to make the point. The unrepentant are not on equal footing before the Holy God who gave His Son to die for the sin they persist in and promote. I am more offended at the abuse and twisting of Scripture than the mere fact of a persons homosexuality.

Thanks for reading and replying. I do appreciate your thoughts. But try not to be so angry. I’m not your enemy.

I’d love to post your reply, but frankly I have no idea what you are talking about at all. Perhaps if you could explain it to me using some Scripture or other words I might be able to post it. In the meantime, I’m sorry, but I just cannot do it. Thanks for stopping by. 🙂

Hi Jerry, God came and talked to me back in 2006. His big message is the meaning of First is Last and Last is First. He also had some corrections to the Bible, or amendments. Since he told me a few things that are in direct conflict with what is written in the bible, I concluded that some one made some unauthorized changes. Now in revelation somewhere near the end it says that if anyone takes away or adds to the Holy Bible they are condemned to Hell. Some one is going to Hell and it is not me. I don’t think God would make a big effort to talk to me, just to tell me a bunch of lies. So I believe what he told me is true. One of the things that he told me that is in conflict with the bible is that Jesus was taken to Rome and there Crucified. Jesus did not get his old body back. He did walk around in his old dead body. His body was discared. It was tossed over the Tarpaian Rock. (Not sure on spelling for Tarparian Rock.) That means that after the Roman Festival or the event all of the bodies were discared. Taken out with the trash from the event. Jesus was resurrected in God House, there he received a beautiful new body. I saw him in a dream. He was the best looking man that I have ever seen. He didn’t look like his pictures. He was more full bodied, not so thin. He didn’t have a bread either. That is just one of the corrections. There is more that God told me too.

Melanie is using blasphemy to mock the word of Christ.
She needs help to redeem her sinful ways,or she will lose her immortal soul forever.
Repent Melanie,before its to late, and the Lord will receive you in his kingdom.
I will pray that you open your eyes to the lies that you have been fed all your life.These lies have filled your heart with contempt for Jesus.It was not God that talked to you back in 2006 as you say,but the devil in disguise.

I seriously think it is time for you to find a new blog to visit. Thanks for stopping by, but I’m not publishing any of that nonsense that you wrote today. I’m sorry, but my blog does not exist for that sort of, uh, conversation.

If The Romans wrote in Revelation that Jesus would return in the clouds riding a pig. You would believe it. The reason you would believe it is because someone told you that the bible is the word of God. It would never dawn on you that pigs can’t fly. Pigs can’t fly!!!!

The Bible is mixed up with the word of the Romans. I am sure there are going to be some Homosexuals in Heaven before you get there. That is if you do go to HEaven. The fact that you would believe pigs can fly just because it is written in the bible, makes you . . . well, not the brightest star in the sky.

I think your friend here, Apostolos, could be Satan in disguise.

What you are sprewwing here about Homosexuals is religious hate. Some Roman did not like homosexuals so he put it in the bible. And you bought into, cause in your heart you hate fags too. God does not hate fags.

God loves fags. I want you to buy a bumpsticker that reads “God loves Fags” and put it on your car or your going to have a hard time on Judgment Day. You need to atone for your hate.

Like I said you need to stop writing hate in the name of God. Your not his messenger. God would not talk to someone like you. Take Heed, you have been warned by Gods messenger.

God picked me to talk to, not you. Stop quoting lies written my the Romans. This is Gods word.

Life Under the Blue Sky

Thanks for visiting with me for a little while. I hope you find something here that is helpful or encouraging in some way.
There's a lot here and I hope that what it shows is a little or a lot of growth on my part. That said, some of the older stuff you find in here may not be all that helpful. I used to be rather graceless and judgmental. Much of that has changed as I have grown more and more accustomed to the grace of God.
I will also be changing the format here soon. For now I have been blogging sermons and lessons (and I will continue that), but in the not too distant future this blog will be overhauled to reflect more changes taking place in my life. Thanks again for the visit and as always, feel free to leave a comment.
jerry