Taurean Mixing wrote:I love Steve's execution of vocals on this. It's some where between Formulas and Gateways. Going back to the let-down production as I mentioned before,it's induced an artificial lisp in the vocals.

It creates a mental imagine of Steve being toothless/Sylvester the cat

Taurean Mixing wrote:I love Steve's execution of vocals on this. It's some where between Formulas and Gateways. Going back to the let-down production as I mentioned before,it's induced an artificial lisp in the vocals.

It creates a mental imagine of Steve being toothless/Sylvester the cat

The snare drum reminds me of Illud drum sound a little, and it seems to get in the way during the verses. However there's enough good stuff going on to where it isn't really an issue and sounds a pretty good fit for the overall song. I'm also not really digging the long verses so much and the riffs contained there are...different. The intro riff and it's return later on is great and is like the heaving earth opening riff with a gateways feel.. It's a good song but it hasn't blown me away so i'm hoping it'll all fit nicely once i hear the album.

A production is the recording of a performance of an arrangement of a song.

I believe you mean to say that the songs suffer from how it's mixed.

You also need to understand that mixing a record is not a one-way street. Perhaps Rutan's first mix was different (probably) and Trey guided him more towards what Trey wanted to hear. The band needs to sign off on the mix before it heads to mastering so in other words, you can't blame the engineer when you weren't there with him in the studio or were in some other way informed of the happenings there.

What we hear now is the outcome of a collaboration between an artist, an engineer and a producer (the latter being the same person in this regard). So to be fair, Rutan or any other producer and/or engineer, is never 100% accountable or responsible for the quality of the work a band puts out. It is literally in the hands of everybody involved.

I needed to make this clear.

Personally, I was always a fan of the work that Tom and Jim Morris of Morrissound put out. Their metal days were legendary and their mixes really sounded amazing.

A production is the recording of a performance of an arrangement of a song.

I believe you mean to say that the songs suffer from how it's mixed.

You also need to understand that mixing a record is not a one-way street. Perhaps Rutan's first mix was different (probably) and Trey guided him more towards what Trey wanted to hear. The band needs to sign off on the mix before it heads to mastering so in other words, you can't blame the engineer when you weren't there with him in the studio or were in some other way informed of the happenings there.

What we hear now is the outcome of a collaboration between an artist, an engineer and a producer (the latter being the same person in this regard). So to be fair, Rutan or any other producer and/or engineer, is never 100% accountable or responsible for the quality of the work a band puts out. It is literally in the hands of everybody involved.

I needed to make this clear.

Personally, I was always a fan of the work that Tom and Jim Morris of Morrissound put out. Their metal days were legendary and their mixes really sounded amazing.

Although technically they are separate things, the vernacular has been including the aspect of the mix as well as the recording of the performance i.e. the "production process." Honestly it doesn't really matter. It's focus on semantics at this point. It's implicit that something went wrong in this "process." To me, it was the mix. Whether or not it's based on the operator or somebody else like Trey perhaps at the helm guiding where the mix should go. Although, this mix sounds eerily similar to hate eternal mixes. And there is quite a bit of over processing, over eq'ing of the guitars especially. The kind of phase distortion that yields certain negative effects on broadband signals like guitars. Of course there's collaboration here but I don't think it's enough to say "it's inconclusive," since there's a portfolio of work to compare to and observe similar characteristics.

A production is the recording of a performance of an arrangement of a song.

I believe you mean to say that the songs suffer from how it's mixed.

You also need to understand that mixing a record is not a one-way street. Perhaps Rutan's first mix was different (probably) and Trey guided him more towards what Trey wanted to hear. The band needs to sign off on the mix before it heads to mastering so in other words, you can't blame the engineer when you weren't there with him in the studio or were in some other way informed of the happenings there.

What we hear now is the outcome of a collaboration between an artist, an engineer and a producer (the latter being the same person in this regard). So to be fair, Rutan or any other producer and/or engineer, is never 100% accountable or responsible for the quality of the work a band puts out. It is literally in the hands of everybody involved.

I needed to make this clear.

Personally, I was always a fan of the work that Tom and Jim Morris of Morrissound put out. Their metal days were legendary and their mixes really sounded amazing.

Although technically they are separate things, the vernacular has been including the aspect of the mix as well as the recording of the performance i.e. the "production process." Honestly it doesn't really matter. It's focus on semantics at this point. It's implicit that something went wrong in this "process." To me, it was the mix. Whether or not it's based on the operator or somebody else like Trey perhaps at the helm guiding where the mix should go. Although, this mix sounds eerily similar to hate eternal mixes. And there is quite a bit of over processing, over eq'ing of the guitars especially. The kind of phase distortion that yields certain negative effects on broadband signals like guitars. Of course there's collaboration here but I don't think it's enough to say "it's inconclusive," since there's a portfolio of work to compare to and observe similar characteristics.

Ditto. So basically, Rutan is one hell of a guitar player and he should just stick to that. Not a fan of his ways producing stuff.