TuteTibiImperes:I don't see how anyone can hold what happened against the officer

I dunno, try hanging this guy's rèsumè on the tagger and you'd be screaming for him to head off to gay sex dungeon land for life. Apologists don't interest me. Justice interests me. Call me when it also interests the cops. I can put a badge on and blow your head off and be home by five. If you're fine with that, I can't think of anything to say to you.

bunner:TuteTibiImperes: I don't see how anyone can hold what happened against the officer

I dunno, try hanging this guy's rèsumè on the tagger and you'd be screaming for him to head off to gay sex dungeon land for life. Apologists don't interest me. Justice interests me. Call me when it also interests the cops. I can put a badge on and blow your head off and be home by five. If you're fine with that, I can't think of anything to say to you.

Granted he's been accused of wrongdoing in the past, but policemen are often wrongly accused in the course of their usual duties. Even if the previous accusations are true, it doesn't mean that he was wrong in this case.

When someone is stopped, caught red handed by the police, and they run, anything further than happens to them is entirely on them. If the officer were accused of excessive force, or any force against an innocent I'd be inclined to agree with you about him being strung up. The facts seem to be however that the guy that was killed was caught in the commission of a crime, and ran, that absolves the officer of blame for any use of force needed to apprehend him.

I've seen this movie. You go and you tell some broad who's idiot kid got his ass sent to Valhalla for being a stupid punk kid with a rattlecan, then I'll care about the armchair stoic fandango. And I don't think you're gonna stop pestering me with it, so.. bye.

TuteTibiImperes:The Internet seems out to get this guy because he used appropriate force to stop a vandal that he caught red handed who then fled and resisted arrest.

Granted, some of the policeman's previous actions may warrant review, but in the case that's bringing this all up I don't see how he did anything wrong.

A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

Tasers are weapons, not compliance tools. They are meant to be used as the resort before bullets are used. They are not meant for people fleeing pursuit, or those who do not pose a threat to the officers or others.

Otherwise, they don't get to use the threat of being tasered as justification for shooting. Tasers shouldn't kill, remember?

iq_in_binary:TuteTibiImperes: The Internet seems out to get this guy because he used appropriate force to stop a vandal that he caught red handed who then fled and resisted arrest.

Granted, some of the policeman's previous actions may warrant review, but in the case that's bringing this all up I don't see how he did anything wrong.

A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

Tasers are weapons, not compliance tools. They are meant to be used as the resort before bullets are used. They are not meant for people fleeing pursuit, or those who do not pose a threat to the officers or others.

Otherwise, they don't get to use the threat of being tasered as justification for shooting. Tasers shouldn't kill, remember?

I agree they shouldn't kill, and from other articles the police did everything they could to chase this guy down before he suddenly ran at them, at which point they tasered him. Even if he hadn't run at them I think it should be justified. When a criminal runs they accept the consequences that come from that. If the police can't use force to stop a fleeing suspect it reduces the incentive for criminals to comply with the directions from the police. To wrap it up - if the police just walked up to him and tasered him they'd be in the wrong. As soon as he ran instead of complying with their instructions they were in the right to stop him using a non-lethal tool.

TuteTibiImperes:bunner: TuteTibiImperes: I don't see how anyone can hold what happened against the officer

I dunno, try hanging this guy's rèsumè on the tagger and you'd be screaming for him to head off to gay sex dungeon land for life. Apologists don't interest me. Justice interests me. Call me when it also interests the cops. I can put a badge on and blow your head off and be home by five. If you're fine with that, I can't think of anything to say to you.

Granted he's been accused of wrongdoing in the past, but policemen are often wrongly accused in the course of their usual duties. Even if the previous accusations are true, it doesn't mean that he was wrong in this case.

When someone is stopped, caught red handed by the police, and they run, anything further than happens to them is entirely on them. If the officer were accused of excessive force, or any force against an innocent I'd be inclined to agree with you about him being strung up. The facts seem to be however that the guy that was killed was caught in the commission of a crime, and ran, that absolves the officer of blame for any use of force needed to apprehend him.

Hey, I just fired a warning shot, it's his own damn fault he chose to jump in the path of the bullet.

TuteTibiImperes:iq_in_binary: TuteTibiImperes: The Internet seems out to get this guy because he used appropriate force to stop a vandal that he caught red handed who then fled and resisted arrest.

Granted, some of the policeman's previous actions may warrant review, but in the case that's bringing this all up I don't see how he did anything wrong.

A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

Tasers are weapons, not compliance tools. They are meant to be used as the resort before bullets are used. They are not meant for people fleeing pursuit, or those who do not pose a threat to the officers or others.

Otherwise, they don't get to use the threat of being tasered as justification for shooting. Tasers shouldn't kill, remember?

I agree they shouldn't kill, and from other articles the police did everything they could to chase this guy down before he suddenly ran at them, at which point they tasered him. Even if he hadn't run at them I think it should be justified. When a criminal runs they accept the consequences that come from that. If the police can't use force to stop a fleeing suspect it reduces the incentive for criminals to comply with the directions from the police. To wrap it up - if the police just walked up to him and tasered him they'd be in the wrong. As soon as he ran instead of complying with their instructions they were in the right to stop him using a non-lethal tool.

Less than lethal. It is NOT non-lethal, or this kid would still be alive.

Running does not grant police officers the right to shoot someone. Running does not grant police officers to throw punches or kicks at the subject once they apprehend them. Running does not grant police officers the right to pepper spray you when they apprehend you.

If it does not grant justification for shooting someone, it does not grant you justification to taser them. Period. They do not get to enjoy a taser as a "tool." It is a gun. It looks like a gun, it operates like a gun, it's named after a farking rifle designed to kill for gods sakes, the only difference is the ammunition. It's a double edged sword. So long as they get to use the threat of getting tasered as justification for lethal force, the use of a taser is considered lethal force in and of itself. Any other way and it is simply giving them a tool to brutalize people with at will. Fark that.

iq_in_binary:TuteTibiImperes: iq_in_binary: TuteTibiImperes: The Internet seems out to get this guy because he used appropriate force to stop a vandal that he caught red handed who then fled and resisted arrest.

Granted, some of the policeman's previous actions may warrant review, but in the case that's bringing this all up I don't see how he did anything wrong.

A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

Tasers are weapons, not compliance tools. They are meant to be used as the resort before bullets are used. They are not meant for people fleeing pursuit, or those who do not pose a threat to the officers or others.

Otherwise, they don't get to use the threat of being tasered as justification for shooting. Tasers shouldn't kill, remember?

I agree they shouldn't kill, and from other articles the police did everything they could to chase this guy down before he suddenly ran at them, at which point they tasered him. Even if he hadn't run at them I think it should be justified. When a criminal runs they accept the consequences that come from that. If the police can't use force to stop a fleeing suspect it reduces the incentive for criminals to comply with the directions from the police. To wrap it up - if the police just walked up to him and tasered him they'd be in the wrong. As soon as he ran instead of complying with their instructions they were in the right to stop him using a non-lethal tool.

Less than lethal. It is NOT non-lethal, or this kid would still be alive.

Running does not grant police officers the right to shoot someone. Running does not grant police officers to throw punches or kicks at the subject once they apprehend them. Running does not grant police officers the right to pepper spray you when they apprehend you.

If it does not grant justification for shooting someone, it does not grant you justification to taser them. Period. They do not ...

You'll never convince Tute. Anything less than complete subservience to out LEO overlords is grounds for any and all actions up to and including death.

Yeah, it's the Internet. Some nameless force. Some group of whiners hiding behind an electronic curtain. There are no real victims out there.

The scariest thing is how did it all start? How did the Internet just up and decide to start targeting this one officer? How did it manage to successfully entrap him so often? What motive drives the Internet to scheme to ruin this man's life?

Despite it all, the Internet is still at large. And thankfully for this officer, the only people hurts so far are these "alleged" victims.

The police use of Tasers are out of control. The only way to fix this is to have central regulation where use is investigated every time like shooting a suspect. Have those regulators not be members of the police.

TuteTibiImperes:A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

The kid was spraypainting a building and he ran away. He didn't pose a risk of violence to anyone, least of all the police. Fleeing arrest might be a crime but it's completely understandable in a scared teenager. There was absolutely no reason to inflict the amount of pain involved in a tasing on him, even if it's supposedly non-lethal. The purpose of giving officers tasers is so they can stop a dangerous suspect without putting innocents at risk by firing a gun. It was never intended to give LEOs a "fark you, do what I say" weapon.

TuteTibiImperes:iq_in_binary: TuteTibiImperes: The Internet seems out to get this guy because he used appropriate force to stop a vandal that he caught red handed who then fled and resisted arrest.

Granted, some of the policeman's previous actions may warrant review, but in the case that's bringing this all up I don't see how he did anything wrong.

A taser shouldn't kill someone, in this case it did, which is unfortunate, but it never would have happened if the vandal hadn't run away when he was confronted.

Tasers are weapons, not compliance tools. They are meant to be used as the resort before bullets are used. They are not meant for people fleeing pursuit, or those who do not pose a threat to the officers or others.

Otherwise, they don't get to use the threat of being tasered as justification for shooting. Tasers shouldn't kill, remember?

I agree they shouldn't kill, and from other articles the police did everything they could to chase this guy down before he suddenly ran at them, at which point they tasered him. Even if he hadn't run at them I think it should be justified. When a criminal runs they accept the consequences that come from that. If the police can't use force to stop a fleeing suspect it reduces the incentive for criminals to comply with the directions from the police. To wrap it up - if the police just walked up to him and tasered him they'd be in the wrong. As soon as he ran instead of complying with their instructions they were in the right to stop him using a non-lethal tool.

Ignoring the "running at them" (which a cop is likely to put in his report just like "strong odor of alcohol" or "was non-compliant with officer's instructions") I think the mitigating factor here is the severity or type of crime. The person killed here posed no threat to anyone if he got away.

Something needs to be done about this dangerous gang. They have a presence in every part of the country, in areas where they have absolute control they feel there is nothing they can't do.We need to stop living in fear and drive these thugs into the ocean.

Slappajo:Ignoring the "running at them" (which a cop is likely to put in his report just like "strong odor of alcohol" or "was non-compliant with officer's instructions") I think the mitigating factor here is the severity or type of crime. The person killed here posed no threat to anyone if he got away.

You forgot "there was a strong oder of marijuana" and "He was a knee-grow driving a nice car" and "I thought he might have had a gun".

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy:The kid was spraypainting a building and he ran away. He didn't pose a risk of violence to anyone, least of all the police. Fleeing arrest might be a crime but it's completely understandable in a scared teenager. There was absolutely no reason to inflict the amount of pain involved in a tasing on him, even if it's supposedly non-lethal. The purpose of giving officers tasers is so they can stop a dangerous suspect without putting innocents at risk by firing a gun. It was never intended to give LEOs a "fark you, do what I say" weapon.

Tasers, like batons and pepper spray, are considered intermediate weapons. As such, the police can justifiably use them in situations where they wouldn't necessarily be able to use deadly force - this includes preventing non-violent suspects from fleeing. Whether or not you think it's "understandable" that a teenager might flee when caught breaking the law doesn't really have much bearing on whether or not the tasing was justified.

Gazer the Traveller? During the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

Biological Ali:Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: The kid was spraypainting a building and he ran away. He didn't pose a risk of violence to anyone, least of all the police. Fleeing arrest might be a crime but it's completely understandable in a scared teenager. There was absolutely no reason to inflict the amount of pain involved in a tasing on him, even if it's supposedly non-lethal. The purpose of giving officers tasers is so they can stop a dangerous suspect without putting innocents at risk by firing a gun. It was never intended to give LEOs a "fark you, do what I say" weapon.

Tasers, like batons and pepper spray, are considered intermediate weapons. As such, the police can justifiably use them in situations where they wouldn't necessarily be able to use deadly force - this includes preventing non-violent suspects from fleeing. Whether or not you think it's "understandable" that a teenager might flee when caught breaking the law doesn't really have much bearing on whether or not the tasing was justified.

Does that justify the kid being DEAD? When can Tasers finally stop being called non-lethal?

Deathfrogg:Slappajo:Ignoring the "running at them" (which a cop is likely to put in his report just like "strong odor of alcohol" or "was non-compliant with officer's instructions") I think the mitigating factor here is the severity or type of crime. The person killed here posed no threat to anyone if he got away.

You forgot "there was a strong oder of marijuana" and "He was a knee-grow driving a nice car" and "I thought he might have had a gun".

I was just providing examples, not trying to provide an extensive list...One of my favorites is also "I pulled you over because you were weaving." This one was used quite extensively by the cops in the small town that I grew up in so they could just pull anyone over at will which would then lead to the "I smell alcohol" or "I smell marijuana" or "your eyes are red" which gives probable cause to search the vehicle...yada, yada, yada...

vudutek:Does that justify the kid being DEAD? When can Tasers finally stop being called non-lethal?

What exactly is the argument here? Batons can kill people too. The distinction between deadly and intermediate weapons isn't about what might possibly happen - it's about what can be reasonably expected to happen.

Slappajo:Deathfrogg: Slappajo:Ignoring the "running at them" (which a cop is likely to put in his report just like "strong odor of alcohol" or "was non-compliant with officer's instructions") I think the mitigating factor here is the severity or type of crime. The person killed here posed no threat to anyone if he got away.

You forgot "there was a strong oder of marijuana" and "He was a knee-grow driving a nice car" and "I thought he might have had a gun".

I was just providing examples, not trying to provide an extensive list...One of my favorites is also "I pulled you over because you were weaving." This one was used quite extensively by the cops in the small town that I grew up in so they could just pull anyone over at will which would then lead to the "I smell alcohol" or "I smell marijuana" or "your eyes are red" which gives probable cause to search the vehicle...yada, yada, yada...

Biological Ali:vudutek: Does that justify the kid being DEAD? When can Tasers finally stop being called non-lethal?

What exactly is the argument here? Batons can kill people too. The distinction between deadly and intermediate weapons isn't about what might possibly happen - it's about what can be reasonably expected to happen.

Seem to me that the Officers should be taking a little more personal responsibility for their actions, instead of hiding behind "established procedure".

Deep Contact:Slappajo: Deathfrogg: Slappajo:Ignoring the "running at them" (which a cop is likely to put in his report just like "strong odor of alcohol" or "was non-compliant with officer's instructions") I think the mitigating factor here is the severity or type of crime. The person killed here posed no threat to anyone if he got away.

You forgot "there was a strong oder of marijuana" and "He was a knee-grow driving a nice car" and "I thought he might have had a gun".

I was just providing examples, not trying to provide an extensive list...One of my favorites is also "I pulled you over because you were weaving." This one was used quite extensively by the cops in the small town that I grew up in so they could just pull anyone over at will which would then lead to the "I smell alcohol" or "I smell marijuana" or "your eyes are red" which gives probable cause to search the vehicle...yada, yada, yada...

Weaving must be more dangerous than texting while driving.[www.art-rageous.net image 357x288]

TuteTibiImperes:bunner: TuteTibiImperes: I don't see how anyone can hold what happened against the officer

I dunno, try hanging this guy's rèsumè on the tagger and you'd be screaming for him to head off to gay sex dungeon land for life. Apologists don't interest me. Justice interests me. Call me when it also interests the cops. I can put a badge on and blow your head off and be home by five. If you're fine with that, I can't think of anything to say to you.

Granted he's been accused of wrongdoing in the past, but policemen are often wrongly accused in the course of their usual duties. Even if the previous accusations are true, it doesn't mean that he was wrong in this case.

When someone is stopped, caught red handed by the police, and they run, anything further than happens to them is entirely on them. If the officer were accused of excessive force, or any force against an innocent I'd be inclined to agree with you about him being strung up. The facts seem to be however that the guy that was killed was caught in the commission of a crime, and ran, that absolves the officer of blame for any use of force needed to apprehend him.

Damn dude, how many of your comments do I need to link. I get it and I agree, if people try to run, even if unarmed and posing no threat to anyone else, it's OK to kill them. Surely there's more than just the two of us who think that it's OK to kill in these circumstances?

"Why do you make me kill you?" I asked the vandal. He didn't say anything though because he was dead.

Deep Contact:Weaving must be more dangerous than texting while driving.[www.art-rageous.net image 357x288]

In my case, all of this happened before them highfalutin cell phones...or the widespread use of them anyway.

I grew up in a unique era...early in my teenage and driving years, the cops would just pull us over, take our beer, and tell us to go home. Sometimes they would even see us out again, pull us over again, and tell us to go home again. Then all of those mothers got mad and they started pulling us over every time they saw us out after dark.

/CSB time...I was stopped in the middle of a side street talking to a friend who was standing on his porch. The city police officer pulled up behind me, made me do the roadside tricks, and then said he was going to follow me home. (I only lived about 4 blocks away) We pull into my driveway, I walked back to his car, and he said, "If I see you out in that truck again tonight I'm going to take you to jail." I walked in the house, he left, I got my mom's keys and took off in her car. He pulled me over 30 minutes later...

Cop: I thought I told you I was going to take you to jail if I saw you out again.Me: No, you said you were going to take me to jail if you saw me out in my truck again.Cop: *facepalm*...GET YOUR ASS HOME NOW AND DON'T COME BACK OUT UNTIL DAYLIGHT!

When I was 17 I was with a friend driving down 4 lane highway with virtually no traffic around 10:00pm. I saw a cop sitting in his cruiser at the exit of a strip mall. At the very last second the idiot pulled out in front of me causing me to hit the brakes hard enough to cause a cloud of smoke from the tires. I laid on the horn and flipped him off. Next thing I know, I am on the ground handcuffed looking up at a gun pointed to my head. Four additional cop cars come for back-up and I was hauled off to jail. To this day, some 30 years later, I am still 100% convinced the f*cker pulled out in front of me on purpose to show me he could, and when I retaliated with the horn and shooting him a bird it bruised his ego so bad he had to do something about it.

A taser should never be used in a situation in which using a real gun would be unreasonable. If someone is running, that's why they have a radio, to contact the rest of the PD. If someone looks too big to handle, That's what you have the radio for, to contact the rest of the PD. It's cops trying to be farking superheros that get people killed.

TuteTibiImperes:Unless you think the police should let vandals they catch red handed go if they decide to run, I don't see how anyone can hold what happened against the officer.

Tasers are a very new invention in law enforcement. What did cops do for the past couple thousand years? A taser *is* a lethal weapon. Slightly less lethal than a gun, but still is a lethal weapon. It should be treated as such and used only when there is imminent threat to someone else's life, just as they would a gun.

I already know that with my heart condition, if I were to be tased, I'd be dead. No question about it. I try to keep on the right side of the law, but in many areas police are out of control and you always have the chance of a rogue officer on a power trip to worry about.