Onto what you are looking for...hmm....I own all three Sander Shows (vol. 1-3), if you'd like to borrow them, you are welcome to. I agree with the above guy, and that gobsmack pack, double bill switch, and dollar to marker are definitly worth your time...I also found this (watch the demo):

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Sounds tight, I'll give you details on the jam time, we are gonna put it on film you should see some of the stuff we've been coming up with. I've got this one cut that even Marc deemed as a true "buck cut".

Sounds tight, I'll give you details on the jam time, we are gonna put it on film you should see some of the stuff we've been coming up with. I've got this one cut that even Marc deemed as a true "buck cut".

It actually IS both fun and entertaining to watch. People watch it all the time. i.e. Mindfreak. When people hire a magi, they expect amazement. Not cheesy tricks.

You don't see magicians on t.v performing your old cut and restored or linking rings much these days, do you?

I think that times are changing, and magic should too.

Oh, and personally, I don't dig mentalism anyway.

On the note of entertainment,

Why not have a freaking amazing trick, rather than an old, out-of-date one? Old timers think its cool or something to make a boring trick entertaining. Whatever floats their boat.

But why not make an already amazing trick even more entertaining that it already is?

It really your choice.

I ranted. but who gives?

But yeah,

I'm just looking for suggestions for AMAZING tricks.

Ok little boy,

1: Lose the thug act or you can pretty much kiss a career in magic goodbye.
2: Trying to act like Criss Angel will definitely make people think your an amateur. Developing your own style and acting like a professional will make people think you're a professional entertainer - trying to mimic a hopelessly cheasy TV magician will make you look like a (as you might say) "poser".
3: Try pulling crap like when you audition for the job, you'll save the owner alot of time by letting him kick you out early.

To your "You don't see magicians on t.v performing your old cut and restored or linking rings much these days, do you?"

No, and I see alot of people who are sick and tired of watching magic on TV. "Mr. Serious Mentalism" isn't entertaining: Case in point "Phenomenon". The crappy ratings are all the proof I need.
Secondly, It's true that you don't see those effects on TV, but you do see them in the acts of nearly every successful working professional.

Have a look at the top guys in the restaurant magic field. . . see any "mindfreaks"? I rest my case.

Bank Night is just a good trick no matter how you slice it. I use it in every type of venue (excluding kid's magic).

I don't do kid shows, but I was thinking about doing a Bank Night style effect for kids using envelopes with cartoon characters on them and using something other than money as the prize, but give them all a present at the end like Osterlind does. I haven't put much thought into it, but you may get something out of it.

Bank Night is just a good trick no matter how you slice it. I use it in every type of venue (excluding kid's magic).

I don't do kid shows, but I was thinking about doing a Bank Night style effect for kids using envelopes with cartoon characters on them and using something other than money as the prize, but give them all a present at the end like Osterlind does. I haven't put much thought into it, but you may get something out of it.

No, and I see a lot of people who are sick and tired of watching magic on TV. "Mr. Serious Mentalism" isn't entertaining: Case in point "Phenomenon". The crappy ratings are all the proof I need. Secondly, It's true that you don't see those effects on TV, but you do see them in the acts of nearly every successful working professional.

Have a look at the top guys in the restaurant magic field. . . see any "mindfreaks"? I rest my case.

Why do people watch it? Why do t.v. stations still pay the performers?

People still do watch it. and they love it. If they didn't, then why would they still be on? PEOPLE LOVE THAT KIND OF MAGIC.

I think what dbaker_creator is trying to get across to you is there's a HUGE difference between TV magic and "REAL, IN PERSON" magic. One is designed for passive observers who stare unblinking at a glowing screen. The other interacts with them on a personal level and requires a different set of tools to entertain them.

No, and I see a lot of people who are sick and tired of watching magic on TV. "Mr. Serious Mentalism" isn't entertaining: Case in point "Phenomenon". The crappy ratings are all the proof I need. Secondly, It's true that you don't see those effects on TV, but you do see them in the acts of nearly every successful working professional.

Have a look at the top guys in the restaurant magic field. . . see any "mindfreaks"? I rest my case.

Why do people watch it? Why do t.v. stations still pay the performers?

People still do watch it. and they love it. If they didn't, then why would they still be on? PEOPLE LOVE THAT KIND OF MAGIC. Magic is suppose to be amazing.

No, and I see a lot of people who are sick and tired of watching magic on TV. "Mr. Serious Mentalism" isn't entertaining: Case in point "Phenomenon". The crappy ratings are all the proof I need. Secondly, It's true that you don't see those effects on TV, but you do see them in the acts of nearly every successful working professional.

Have a look at the top guys in the restaurant magic field. . . see any "mindfreaks"? I rest my case.

Why do people watch it? Why do t.v. stations still pay the performers?

People still do watch it. and they love it. If they didn't, then why would they still be on? PEOPLE LOVE THAT KIND OF MAGIC.

Magic is suppose to be amazing.

I disagree with you here. The thing is, frankly, Magic close up without the burning unblinking camera is easier and can be more devastating. Why? Because with good presentation you have your old friend misdirection on your side. With any skill you can do what Blaine/Angel do but better and without all the setup and retakes.

I agree with you that people react when you see it on TV. Because that's what the editor shows you. The things they don't show you is what is important. The time it takes to setup, how many times people don't react. There are plenty of magicians who do devastating work that have never performed for TV.

Criss Angel works for a basic cable channel to btw. I respect what he does and what he has done for the art. I even like his show. But guess what? He had to start somewhere too. I bet that he got his chops performing old-timer tricks like cups and balls and the linking rings. And if you want to be just like him don't ask other people for effects and performance ideas for closers invent your own way of doing things and presenting them because that's what Criss Angel does. He doesn't go online with a bunch of rude teenagers (and by rude teenagers I mean you) and ask for devasting closers. He creates his own (presentations I mean).

For my closer I want to encourage you to be just like Criss Angel and go out and create your own closers, work hard, become successful and remember who you stepped on and were nasty to when you started. Don't forget to ignore good advice along the way and ignore the classics that will teach you the skills that you will need to create great presentations and effects later. Oh and don't do things like spirit slates (old) Invisible deck (old) Card through window (old). Don't perform a torn and restored card or an impossible card location or pick a card find a card, or a collectors plot, or a magician in trouble plot, or a salt pour, or a torn and restored sugar packet, or a 3 fly routine, or a coins through table, or anything with sponge, because all that stuff is old too. Essentially what I would do If I were you is walk to the table and float away every time. Clearly, that's what people want to see. They don't want to forget why their food is late, they don't want to laugh and be entertained. They want to be impressed with your skill as a magician so they can go home order magic from a website and live in a pipe dream of perfect magic so they can argue with a bunch of people they don't know who clearly aren't any good (I hope everyone picked up on my sarcasm, I tried to lay it on pretty thick).

Look just go out and have fun. This isn't about fooling anyone. The magic of magic is making something memorable. It isn't memorable if a person walks away from a table saying "He did something. I don't know what he did to bend those coins but he did something". You want them to say " I want to see that guy again he was really good. I don't remember waiting for the table [or meal]."

Austin feel free to call me whatever you want. Chances are you've already made up your mind anyway. Wether you take anything away from this thread or not I wish you good luck and I hope that one day you can stand up and say those guys were wrong.

To Caffeinator,
I recognize that I am contradicting some advice I gave in some other posts but for me there is a difference between a person who wants to perform magic and doesn't where to start or may have that sense of being overwhelmed versus asking for advice and help and not listening at all.

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Umm....you probably shouldn't have called him little boy. How do you even know his age? I don't want to start a debate here, but how would you feel if someone called you a little boy?

And he wasn't trying to act like chris angel, he wanted to have the same type of reactions as him. Now I know that the unspoken rule is that "any trick" can have that wow factor. But how many people have you got to swear and run away from you by doing the linking rings?....even if you completely dramatize it, it is still a ....normal miracle, for lack of better words. Everyone is impressed, but not in the same way. It's just like if you could visually cut yourself in half(lazer illusion) then you'd be more drawn to that than the older methods...

Oh, and just for the record, he didn't say he didn't want to perform old tricks, he said he was looking for something new.

Btw, "I'm sorry" when used correctly, pretty much means "If I could take it back, I would". You are in no way sorry for what you did. Apologizing doesn't mean anything unless you mean it, and judging by how "thick" you laid it on, I can see you are in no way sorry. Lying won't get you anywhere...

Austin, I recommend just dropping it. I agree with you, but there are people here that consider it a federal offense to want to be as "good" as chris angel, or as smooth a talker as blaine , or even as talented as Cryil. Just drop it. It doesn't matter that much... And you never called me...

Bank Night is just a good trick no matter how you slice it. I use it in every type of venue (excluding kid's magic).

I don't do kid shows, but I was thinking about doing a Bank Night style effect for kids using envelopes with cartoon characters on them and using something other than money as the prize, but give them all a present at the end like Osterlind does. I haven't put much thought into it, but you may get something out of it.

I don't want to act or be like Angel, I just would like the "wow factor" of his tricks.

Okay, last post on this because . . . well, frankly you're an idiot and this isn't going anywhere.

Spongebob comment: Look over your posts. . . do you really want to make this a grammer contest? ? ? I thought not.

As to Angel's "wow factor", I again point out that such effects aren't entertaining. A wise magician once said, "If all you want to do is shock people, just walk up and set a pale full of blood with a goat head in it on their table. It'll get the same reaction."

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Why do people watch it? Why do t.v. stations still pay the performers? They don't you idiot! The whole point of Phenomenon having trash ratings kinda' flew by you didn't it.

People still do watch it. and they love it. If they didn't, then why would they still be on? PEOPLE LOVE THAT KIND OF MAGIC.People love that kind of magic "ON TV".

I really need to ask, have you ever performed for a living human?

Magic is suppose to be amazing. An amateur's mistake. Magic is suppose to be entertaining first, amazing second.

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Umm....you probably shouldn't have called him little boy. How do you even know his age? I don't want to start a debate here, but how would you feel if someone called you a little boy?

Judging from the image used as his avatar, his attempts at acting like a "thug", his obcession with "the wow factor", and his udder stupidity. . . I pegged him at 14-16. In experience, age, and intelligence - that makes him a "little boy". I just call 'em as I see 'em.

And he wasn't trying to act like chris angel, he wanted to have the same type of reactions as him. Now I know that the unspoken rule is that "any trick" can have that wow factor. But how many people have you got to swear and run away from you by doing the linking rings?....even if you completely dramatize it, it is still a ....normal miracle, for lack of better words. Everyone is impressed, but not in the same way. It's just like if you could visually cut yourself in half(lazer illusion) then you'd be more drawn to that than the older methods...

Really? People usually laugh and clap when I do the linking rings. Comparing the two effects (since I have versions of both), the linking rings has ALWAYS gotten a better response from the audience.

Austin, I recommend just dropping it. I agree with you, but there are people here that consider it a federal offense to want to be as "good" as chris angel, or as smooth a talker as blaine , or even as talented as Cryil. Just drop it. It doesn't matter that much... And you never called me...

-Trix "as good as angel"? That's a bit of a paradox isn't it?"as smooth a talker as blaine"? Look. . . here. . . watch. . . I don't think "smooth" is the right phrase. "or even as talented as Cyril" . . . Feel free to give that a try. Cyril is a very talented magician, and trying to have his skills is a worthwhile goal.

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