Paranoia is a sickness.
How many Police states have we been through? In how many years?

Ook, I changed my mind. If something like Red Dawn happened, were north koreans invade the us. I would love to have a gun.
Can you imagine, me riding a snowboard with a ak-47 kicking ass...
Magical!!

Im not really sure how many but that is pretty close minded way to look at it. Look at what the politicians sponsored by big corporations are really doing and i dont think im overly paranoid man(if i start making underground bunkers then maybe so).

Paranoia is a sickness.
How many Police states have we been through? In how many years?

Being naive must also be a sickness. Think of countries that have never experienced oppression, now think of those who have. Think of countries that were once or are free, now look up how they achieved it. Think of a people who were oppressed, think of what gave their oppressors an advantage. For the most part, the conclusion arrived to is force.

You're living in a magically world if you think that we are not closer to tyranny than we've ever been as a country. Although we may be far off, but a fool believes that it can never happen to us. I can think of many moments in History where an armed underdog may have prevented tragedies, first thought was of many of the holocausts that have taken place.

It's easy to focus on the small and unfortunately often close downsides, when the massive upside seems implausible and can be written off as paranoia. History teaches us otherwise. Perhaps we are no where near facing a tyrannical state, but to give up those rights now does not help whatever situation may arise 100 years from now. However, if you think the world will always be some magical place, I'm wasting my time.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson

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Originally Posted by goyo

Oh yeah, like that would help, Me-gun vs lots of military-police people with more guns?
I would prefer to use my incredibly bad ass ninja skills to kick some ass.

Hahahah

Can armed citizens defeat an heavily armed government with better trained thugs? Yes, history has taught us it is absolutely possible (should I name the obvious example?). It's even more hard for said government to disrupt it's own, and as history has also taught us, the first step to this is to disarm the populace. Many of us take freedom very seriously, and have no problem killing and being killed in order to ensure they're own freedom and especially those of their families. You may chalk it up to paranoia and some of us definitely are, but I say the vast majority are being realistic about the future.

Some clear misunderstanding in this thread. I am not asking for Bob Vistas or anyone else's 1st Amendment rights to be violated. Rights aren't absolute. If you're a convicted felon, you can't legally own a firearm. When you're at work, you don't have freedom of speech. Well, let me rephrase that, you have freedom of speech to say what you want, but they have the right to take action if those views don't jive with the company's. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean their aren't repercussions.

Costa and NBC used a tragic situation to deliver a weak ass stump speech aimed at violating the rights of others. NBC allowing it to happen puts the ball in their court.

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And as of now, you have the right to have it.
So enjoy, and please, dont go crazy on us.

Aren't there are over 20 million legal gun owners in the U.S.? Remind me how many of them killed anyone today? Yesterday? This month? Year? There are probably less than a hundredth of 1% of legal gun owners who have killed anyone outside of self defense this entire year, maybe longer. If you think any of us are going to go crazy on you, wouldn't that make you the paranoid one?

I'm worried it's people like you, who have a misunderstanding of history and the second amendment, will go crazy in regards to my rights.

Being naive must also be a sickness. Think of countries that have never experienced oppression, now think of those who have. Think of countries that were once or are free, now look up how they achieved it. Think of a people who were oppressed, think of what gave their oppressors an advantage. For the most part, the conclusion arrived to is force.

You're living in a magically world if you think that we are not closer to tyranny than we've ever been as a country. Although we may be far off, but a fool believes that it can never happen to us. I can think of many moments in History were an armed underdog may have prevented tragedies, first thought was of many of the holocausts that have taken place.

It's easy to focus on the small and unfortunately often close downsides, when the massive upside seems implausible and can be written off as paranoia. History teaches us otherwise. Perhaps we are no where near facing a tyrannical state, but to give up those rights now does not help whatever situation may arise 100 years from now. However, if you think the world will always be some magical place, I'm wasting my time.

Can armed citizens defeat and heavily armed government with better trained thugs? Yes, history has taught us it is absolutely possible (should I name the obvious example?). It's even more hard for said government to disrupt it's own, and as history has also taught us, the first step to this is to disarm the populace.

Geez, "magical world" When did I say anything about magical world?
Your calling me naive? because I expressed an opinion?
Now to the serious points.

"You're living in a magically world if you think that we are not closer to tyranny than we've ever been as a country. Although we may be far off"
So which is it? closer or far off??

"Think of countries that have never experienced oppression, now think of those who have. Think of countries that were once or are free"
Exactly my point. If we werent free I would definately want a gun.
But we are free!

"if you think the world will always be some magical place, I'm wasting my time"
Magical place?? Far from it. so your not wasting your time

"Can armed citizens defeat and heavily armed government with better trained thugs? Yes, history has taught us it is absolutely possible"
Yeap, maybe with a rifle that had 1 shot and a knife, or a machine gun that you had to wait for it to cool down.
This day in time, technology, you would loose thousands for tens.
Dont you go red dawning on us now... haha
Its like saying I kick trices ass at all mountain, yeah, it can happen, if I train hard enough, it can happen.