From the casting director's perspective, I can understand why TAR13 teams didn't get asked back based on their hooks.

Nick & Starr -- The fact that no winners are on is probably the biggest factor, but would the medical staff have allowed them to race?

Ken & Tina -- I remember that their hook was about whether Tina would reconcile with Ken over his infidelity. Once their run was over, production probably felt that their storyline had run its course. Uchenna & Joyce had a similar storyline as the couple whose infertility strained their marriage. The whole orphanage task was a major plot point in their story. I believe that they were asked back for TAR11 solely because of their rivalry with Rob & Amber. Did Ken & Tina have such an intense rivalry with another team?

Andrew & Dan -- No explanation needed.

Toni & Dallas -- Their hooks were Mother & Son, and elimination via lost passport. I think they would've had a good chance of coming back, but two teams basically knocked them out. Margie & Luke had the hooks of Mother & Son, deaf, and also gay, if they wanted to add that. Zev & Justin had the elimination via lost passport element, but also Asperger's Syndrome. Unless Toni & Dallas had some drastic changes to their lives in the interim, like a change in sexual orientation or suddenly becoming overtly Muslim, like Bilal & Sa'eed, it was going to be an uphill battle to get cast over those two teams.

From the casting director's perspective, I can understand why TAR13 teams didn't get asked back based on their hooks.

Nick & Starr -- The fact that no winners are on is probably the biggest factor, but would the medical staff have allowed them to race?

Ken & Tina -- I remember that their hook was about whether Tina would reconcile with Ken over his infidelity. Once their run was over, production probably felt that their storyline had run its course. Uchenna & Joyce had a similar storyline as the couple whose infertility strained their marriage. The whole orphanage task was a major plot point in their story. I believe that they were asked back for TAR11 solely because of their rivalry with Rob & Amber. Did Ken & Tina have such an intense rivalry with another team?

Andrew & Dan -- No explanation needed.

Toni & Dallas -- Their hooks were Mother & Son, and elimination via lost passport. I think they would've had a good chance of coming back, but two teams basically knocked them out. Margie & Luke had the hooks of Mother & Son, deaf, and also gay, if they wanted to add that. Zev & Justin had the elimination via lost passport element, but also Asperger's Syndrome. Unless Toni & Dallas had some drastic changes to their lives in the interim, like a change in sexual orientation or suddenly becoming overtly Muslim, like Bilal & Sa'eed, it was going to be an uphill battle to get cast over those two teams.

I'll leave the rest of the TAR13 teams for others.

Well said!No, Ken and Tina had no rivalry. They actually had an alliance with Nick and Starr.I think maybe Starr+Dallas were meant to be the hybrid team peach mentioned, but Starr obviously could not go. Nick could not go b\c of his acting responsibility

I think I said this in a different thread, but I feel the producers owed one to Toni and Dallas. If you go back and look at what actually happened in Moscow, it was a production error while filming the roadblock that lead to the lost passport and money, and thus, to their elimination. And they would have made a good TAR 13 representative for that season.

I'm even more surprised that none of the TAR 13 teams were even approached. Given Starr's recent diagnosis, she would not have been able to participate even if asked and even if any winners were invited back. But had I been asked I would have suggested T/D. They were a good team, skills wise, and would have made a very competitive team in the TAR 18 cast.

I think I said this in a different thread, but I feel the producers owed one to Toni and Dallas. If you go back and look at what actually happened in Moscow, it was a production error while filming the roadblock that lead to the lost passport and money, and thus, to their elimination. And they would have made a good TAR 13 representative for that season.

I'm even more surprised that none of the TAR 13 teams were even approached. Given Starr's recent diagnosis, she would not have been able to participate even if asked and even if any winners were invited back. But had I been asked I would have suggested T/D. They were a good team, skills wise, and would have made a very competitive team in the TAR 18 cast.

But as said before..what would have made T/D so different from Margie & Luke or Zev & Justin (other than the responsibility of the lost passport)?

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The story so far:In the beginning the Universe was created.This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move

Other than Azaria & Christina, the only ones that I could think of were a Sam & Dan/Maria & Tiffany team, Katie & Rachel/Connor & Jonathan team, or maybe even Justin & Lance (Jets fan/Patriots fan) or Brandy & Caite.

I think I said this in a different thread, but I feel the producers owed one to Toni and Dallas. If you go back and look at what actually happened in Moscow, it was a production error while filming the roadblock that lead to the lost passport and money, and thus, to their elimination. And they would have made a good TAR 13 representative for that season.

I'm even more surprised that none of the TAR 13 teams were even approached. Given Starr's recent diagnosis, she would not have been able to participate even if asked and even if any winners were invited back. But had I been asked I would have suggested T/D. They were a good team, skills wise, and would have made a very competitive team in the TAR 18 cast.

But as said before..what would have made T/D so different from Margie & Luke or Zev & Justin (other than the responsibility of the lost passport)?

The videographic evidence from the episode (different taxi interiors) that supported the explanation of what happened as explained by Dallas once the episode aired, essentially that the camera crew needed to recharge their packs, IIRC, and unloaded and then reloaded the backpacks and the fanny bag in a different way that Dallas had them in the taxi. (This is how the fanny pack with the passports were found later than day or that night, and were turned into the US Embassy in Moscow the next morning.) The other instances involving misplaced passports did not have this element of production actions involved, which is what made it different, IMHO.Given what happened this season (TAR 17) in St. Petersberg with the piano detour, I don't think it inappropriate to suggest that Toni/Dallas should have at least been offered the opportunity to be considered for TAR 18. YMMV.

Definitely a " 2nd chance" theme because all stars was not recieved well the first time around. With that said , everyone chosen has a well deserved spot and people need to stop looking at the fact that it's not their perfect cast and look at the bigger picture !

Other than Azaria & Christina, the only ones that I could think of were a Sam & Dan/Maria & Tiffany team, Katie & Rachel/Connor & Jonathan team, or maybe even Justin & Lance (Jets fan/Patriots fan) or Brandy & Caite.