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Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

So the rumors of Jeff Foster's demise were a little premature? Shocked to hear it.

I am honestly not that upset with the game tonight. All the bounces went Detroit's way, they were hitting crazy shots and getting every loose ball. We still battled them into overtime in their own house. Not a really horrible loss. Roy was phenomenal. Kept us in the game. Danny was efficient and hit some monster shots. Josh played an extremely solid game, although I was hoping he would have finished off a few looks he had. He is too eager to pass sometimes, I think he needs to get a little more aggressive on offense. Really liked his game tonight though. Everyone else was varying degrees of "bad" and "putrid ape whale ****".

An accurate statement would be that we have a lot of wing players. Not so much talent. I'll give you potential with Paul George, and I'll give you talent with Danny. But after that, it's really nothing to be excited about.

If Dunleavy is still a Pacer after the deadline, I'll be surprised. I don't have any idea what's going to happen, but I'll be surprised if nothing happens. Tonight's game was another brutal example of this team lacking a serious talent. In OT, Hibbert couldn't get a quality shot, Danny struggles to get open even with screens and he has no chance off the dribble. Collison is quick enough, but he's struggled with his shot lately.

I guess what I'm frustrated with is that the team is talking about playoffs, and changing the identity, and flowers and sunshine -- all of that is great, I'm happy for it -- but they still don't have the goods to deliver in the last 5 minutes of a tight game. Of course, the standard response is "Paul George is the answer! Just wait 2 years and he'll be a superstar!" The trouble with that is that Bird, Vogel, and the buzz around this team are all talking THIS year.

It's just frustrating, and it's why I think Bird makes a move for a wing. I think he expects better than this. You can point at the Lakers losing to Charlotte and Cleveland and say "it happens to everyone, it's ok." Or you can look at the fact that we just lost to a team that by all accounts, we should have beaten and we need to beat if we want to stay in the playoff race. I know they're tired, and I know Hibbert had a great game, and I know that this post is way more negative than I normally go with, but I would be lying if I said that I thought our "talent" at the wing positions is good enough to actually compete in the playoffs.

Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. I really wish Granger would take the reigns and be a leader, but I don't see much of it in him either. Paul is too young. Darren is probably our best bet, which kind of illustrates that it is a problem right now.

Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

We suck. Collison needs to go... he can't hit a shot. Granger needs to go, he's a black hole and a turnover machine. Hansbrough needs to go... he's damn near a black hole plus he can't shoot. Hibbert is bad, yea he had 29 but his defense is sub-par and he's a black hole. Vogel needs to go... 2 4th quarter leads against the Heat pissed away and a loss to the lowly Pistons? Not only that, but Dahntay hardly even played tonight. He was the only guy playing D tonight. What a joke. Get them out of here. While I'm at it, Larry definitely needs to go. Collison, Rush, Hansbrough, McRoberts, Hibbert, Price, Lance, Posey, Ford, and Solomon... really Larry? You suck. The only good players we have are George and Dahntay. It takes more than two players to be a good team.

Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

We suck. Collison needs to go... he can't hit a shot. Granger needs to go, he's a black hole and a turnover machine. Hansbrough needs to go... he's damn near a black hole plus he can't shoot. Hibbert is bad, yea he had 29 but his defense is sub-par and he's a black hole. Vogel needs to go... 2 4th quarter leads against the Heat pissed away and a loss to the lowly Pistons? Not only that, but Dahntay hardly even played tonight. He was the only guy playing D tonight. What a joke. Get them out of here. While I'm at it, Larry definitely needs to go. Collison, Rush, Hansbrough, McRoberts, Hibbert, Price, Lance, Posey, Ford, and Solomon... really Larry? You suck. The only good players we have are George and Dahntay. It takes more than two players to be a good team.

Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

Collison is a 2nd year player. Collison is a 2nd year player. I'll say it again... Collison is a 2nd year player. And at that he's playing the hardest position on the floor for his 3rd coach in 1.5 seasons. GIVE HIM A BREAK! I'm not a darn bit worried about him. We've seen him play enough games looking like a 5 year player to know he's better than this. I don't think he's dumb so I'm sure he realizes his potential too. He will be fine. Players make mistakes and the better players learn from them. He's a "better player".

As for this loss... It happens. Can't win every game. We've been winning and now they see what they need to do to win. Now that they lost, they see what they need to not do. Learn from this and come back stronger. We'll be just fine.

Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

Yeah....with a squad this young we are going to have plenty of growing pains. A lot of these guys are still learning what it takes to be a pro. Consistency night in and night out will come with time. We have got to get to the mindset that it all starts on the defensive end. As bad as we played tonight a few key stops and that game was ours.

Re: Pacers/Detroit postgame thread

Collison is a 2nd year player. Collison is a 2nd year player. I'll say it again... Collison is a 2nd year player. And at that he's playing the hardest position on the floor for his 3rd coach in 1.5 seasons. GIVE HIM A BREAK! I'm not a darn bit worried about him. We've seen him play enough games looking like a 5 year player to know he's better than this. I don't think he's dumb so I'm sure he realizes his potential too. He will be fine. Players make mistakes and the better players learn from them. He's a "better player".

As for this loss... It happens. Can't win every game. We've been winning and now they see what they need to do to win. Now that they lost, they see what they need to not do. Learn from this and come back stronger. We'll be just fine.