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“I don’t wanna talk on the phone but I’ll trade voice notes with you for 90 minutes.”

I thought it was pretty funny. I know I catch myself sending tons of texts or voice notes before realizing I could have saved time by calling.

Obviously, the biggest reason for the rise in popularity of audio clips is asynchronous communication: people want everything (including conversations) on their own time.

But more interestingly, I think people also want to be heard. When you send a voice memo (as opposed to making a phone call), it forces the other person to actually listen to your message. They can’t interrupt a recording.

Most people aren’t listeners, they’re wait-to-talkers.

This begs the question: Why is it that we are such poor listeners even though we all so desperately want to be heard?

There may be something to slowing down the communication method and forcing each party to actually listen to each other.

A lot of people feel like having a day job is holding them back. They’re eager to take a leap.

But trying to monetize your passion too soon is what will kill your passion.

When you don’t protect your passion by first covering your bills with a day job, it will be crushed the first time it encounters resistance. You have to protect it.

Protecting comes in the form of a day job. You have to protect your ability to make objective decisions and your ability to say no to bad opportunities.

When you put yourself in a position where you have to make money from your passion in order to survive, you will be desperate. This desperation leads to compromise on many things—including your prices, professionalism or morals.

A day job that covers 100% of your bills is what prevents scarcity mindset. Build a solid foundation and then overlap. Overlap is a transition, not a leap.