Hi all. I'm sure many of you heard of the scuffle that broke out on the anti-racist demo today. From what I'm aware one NF member and one anti-racist were arrested after about 100 people surrounded the NF going to their vehicles near Parliament. A NF member said to a punk that they would be out for us tonight. Tough-talk is nothing new with the NF, but do be aware that they may try to get people either outside Punkfest or down the road. We've posted security notices on this message board so have a read of them.

We have the number plates of several nf vehicles. They are being posted here so that people can keep an eye out for them in the area. They are:

Top shit getting the number plates. Brilliant thinking.
The car Kyle Chapman was in was a silver ford falcon, and another of the skin head mobiles was a white hatch back, possibly a late 80's early 90's ford escort.

We have the number plates of several nf vehicles. They are being posted here so that people can keep an eye out for them in the area. They are: .......

pleez can people not write about any of the incidents at the rally or persons involved as there will more than likely be court proceedings and the nf and police have both been known to monitor this site. be safe.

ps. the media coverage was terrible. National front dominated the sound bites and was portrayed very sympathetically.

PunkFest 2004 wrote:Hi all. I'm sure many of you heard of the scuffle that broke out on the anti-racist demo today. From what I'm aware one NF member and one anti-racist were arrested after about 100 people surrounded the NF going to their vehicles near Parliament. A NF member said to a punk that they would be out for us tonight. Tough-talk is nothing new with the NF, but do be aware that they may try to get people either outside Punkfest or down the road. We've posted security notices on this message board so have a read of them.

We have the number plates of several nf vehicles. They are being posted here so that people can keep an eye out for them in the area. They are:

YD6708 (car Kyle Chapman was travelling in)

YH9715

NY6441

SCRAPR

ACK44 (there is likely a digit missing there)

TB3706

Ok, keep it cool tonight and watch out for each other.

That SCRAPR dude posts at the nzpolitics.com and nationalfront.com forum. He's apparently an unemployed guy with 4 kids.

coin_a_phrase wrote:you don't need to prove to me or i'm sure most of new zealand that the nf are retarded and not welcome, and you're sure as shit never going to be able to convince nf they are wrong

So what are we supposed to do? Nothing? Wait till they get seats in parliment? Fuck that. Kyle Chapman got 1654 votes in the Christchurch mayoralty. 1654!!! Alot of New Zealanders obviously don't get it that the NF are retarded and thats why we must stand against them. Alot of those votes were from old people that the NF would take for walks and "protect". Alot of them probably don't know that the NF are filled with Nazis. I wonder if some publicity would help remedy that. (not network news media apparently so but the articles in the dominion have been humorous)

coin_a_phrase wrote:marching in miltia patrols

They already do. I agree that violence is not the best course of action as it will just harden their resolve and endanger us and our friends and there are alot of meataxes in the scene that would love to beat the shit out of NF members thinking it will do some good BUT things aren't always black and white.

I agree with coin_a_phrase. The whole thing didn't reflect very well on the protesters (I saw the whole thing). Given that the NF were outnumbered probably 100 to 1, the whole mob mentality and violence and walking around in hoodies with bandanas on made a lot of people look like thugs in a uniform. I wasn't surprised that the news seemed sympathetic towards the NF.

coin_a_phrase wrote:keeping them at the fore-front of everyone's conciousness won't make them go away.

FFS!! Doing nothing won't make them go away either. The NF have been around for a long time now and they are growing, riding the wave of racist fervour thanks to the Orewa speech. But if you feel safer doing nothing thats fine just don't hack us who do take a stand.

nerdXcore wrote:walking around in hoodies with bandanas on made a lot of people look like thugs in a uniform. I wasn't surprised that the news seemed sympathetic towards the NF.

Do you realize that people wore masks for their own safety. We are not the ones with a history of violence and intimidation. Yeah it doesn't look that good considering how the media thrives on that shock value and ordinary people assoicate masks with criminals but it is those who are masked and targeted daily by these violent bigots that should be getting the sympathy not the NF. They are NOT the victims.

for fucks sake, the NF is a minority, and in such a multi ethnic country such as NZ, they will never get any power. Giving them the attention they actually want is stupid. And resorting to gang mentality and/or violence puts yourself such as low as them, plus it'll only strengthen their views of yous being a bunch of violent, dimwitted thugs etc etc.

Fuck em, just a small bunch of redneck assholes, nothing more. Resorting to violence is a sign of fear. Do you honestly think they will ever, ever get into a seat of power?

Weimar era Germany was a very cosmopolitan place, with numerous different ethnic groups and a large and visible gay community. Nobody took Hitler seriously at first, but he gained a foothold when the economy went to the wall.

I'm not saying it's likely to happen in NZ, but it's not impossible either.

One of the most dangerous mentalities to have, as Frank Zappa put it, is that of it can't happen here.

Little Miss Twoshoes wrote:Violent period sex is a pretty good indicator that you're into someone, I think

yes the thought of these guys in control is a scary one (however unlikely), no they won't be stopped via pathetic street scuffs, in fact that is how they will be encouraged.

keeping them at the fore-front of everyone's conciousness won't make them go away.

but do you think the NF will turn up on mass in wellington any time soon? These are the tactics the english anti-fa's used in the mid 70's early 80's. Facists would try to speak, sell their papers, march, etc in local slums, anti-fa's through the use of good intel. already knew about it, would turn up on mass to hassle them, do them over on ocasions. There were occaisions where the facists offices were trashed.

What happened the facists were too busy defending themselves against the anti-fa's that they couldn't organise.

I'm sure a certain section of society will sympathise with the NF over this but from what I've been lestening to on talkback most people see them for who they are.

Hey everyone, At the moment ive been using the National Front forum to contuniously post comments and valid intellegent points against their racist ideas. Its really pisses them off and its hilarious seeing their reaction when they do have the intellegence to respond to valid points. So as you guys seem to have a good amount of people on your forum i suggest that you should all start bombarding the NF forum with liberal ideas and valid arguments etc against their racist ideas. It would be cool to get more posts against them than for them on their own forum, that'll piss them off. So spread the word. The link to the forum is just off their website.

PS: But i encourage you guys not to sink to their level by using vulgar language and stupid attacks on them etc. Put up intellegent views agaisnt their racism.

ignosam wrote:We are not the ones with a history of violence and intimidation.

GUESS WHAT YOU ARE NOW, well done you should be proud of yourselves for making a spectacle of yourselves on national tv looking and acting more like gangmembers than protestors like the ones that featured on the second half of the news segment "300 people marching against racism" all very peaceful and civilised. you are no better than the national front and to think you are when you act like that in the veiw of a nation shows you are stupider than you look. once again good job

Buying In wrote:Im not racist but i will smash the fuck outta you chinkboi.

No, anti-racists are not as bad as racists. The reason is that they are reacting. When you deprive someone of their rights, it is accepted that you in turn lose your rights. When you have a history of both infringing upon others rights and advocating further infringements, as the NF do, then your own rights are called into question.

i actually felt some sympathy for the national front, fuck those fairies were fuckin annoying.

i left before the violence, and i have to say, im not all that impressed, its cool a nazi got his beats, but the whole thing was pretty cowardly.

no offence to all the boys...

as i commented at the time, chasing and yes, victimising the nazi scum was pretty counter-productive, im just glad they werent dumb enuff to show up at punkfest, i didnt want to get arrested.

yes, all in all not a good days work, there were ignorant aggresive assholes on both sides...

to the fairies, if you want to call the NF pussy's then you better remember whos protecting your ass, yeh cops and punks, fuck you.

is that the guy who got beat up? he doesnt look to badly hurt, nor does he look very tough...

to any NF or piggys reading this, its pretty obvious to everyone that if it had been one punk in a crowd of nazis the same thing would have happened, so dont pretend or pay any mind to anyone (like kyle) who would suggest otherwise, he got what was coming, and he shouldnt have been so stupid.

haha ha i was stopping some retard girl from being a retard. but yes that is me muahaha. it's funny coz that scuffle started coz one of the punks was hassling the NF full about a band he used to play in, the NF fulla got nuts, hit some dude, and about 6-7 punks all jumped on him and fucked em up.

i thought the violence was kinda silly though. mind you, the NF were the ones getting violent in the start. i mean come on! getting violent towards fairies? i was pushed and shoved by one of the auckland dudes as well. they were nuts!