I think KQ and sets of 2s/4s are in the value range of this shove...he might also be shoving some AJhh type hand...call or fold?

#2

22nd June 2010, 8:54 PM

Likminutz [851]

Game: NLHE

I like larger bets on the flop and turn. There are a good amount of hands he can c/c with on the flop in particular since it's relatively harmless. He may choose to float a good amount of your cbets. When you increase both the flop and turn, hero/villian are getting prices that are hard to fold to on river.

By river there are something like 25+ combos that beat you, but I do find it weird that sets didn't check raise you at some point.

Hands that bluff here (even if they don't know they're bluffing) KJs or possibly a few other flush draws...JJ maybe if he's a spaz...maybe you could come up with 6-10 hands max? And again some of the missed FD's have to be discounted b/c he doesn't always bluff all-in with them when he misses on the river.

I think I lean towards a fold as played.

#3

23rd June 2010, 12:09 AM

thepokerkid123 [917]

Game: NL Holdem

Only value hands that do this are KQ and AKs/KJs so exactly 11 combos.

He bluffs at this with exactly 0 if he knows what he's doing.

Sets and flush draws he intends to bluff with raise on the flop or turn. This is value or value.

#4

23rd June 2010, 12:17 AM

LuckyChippy [4,987]

Quote:

Originally Posted by thepokerkid123

Only value hands that do this are KQ and AKs/KJs so exactly 11 combos.

He bluffs at this with exactly 0 if he knows what he's doing.

Sets and flush draws he intends to bluff with raise on the flop or turn. This is value or value.

I do agree it looks like value but surely he can play a flush draw like this? I'm not saying he is but it can't just be discounted?

EDIT: Obviously I mean AJ/Ts.

#5

23rd June 2010, 12:20 AM

workinonit [138]

Game: NL and PLO

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuckyChippy

I do agree it looks like value but surely he can play a flush draw like this? I'm not saying he is but it can't just be discounted?

I think it's pretty rare, like really rare

This is a spot where I always call knowing I'm ****ed lol, we only beat bluffs and he's not bluffing often

#6

23rd June 2010, 1:24 AM

Skaplun [269]

Online Poker at: FTP

Game: Holdem

re: Poker & $25 NLHE 6-max: AA Crappy River Spot

I'd like to point out that BB is playing 25NL for stacks
his concept of ahead is different from your own.
He most likely has a Qx combo. Q2,4, or 7. this is not a line I have ever seen for for a set.
maybe a set of 7s that he called the flop and hit his jin card. thats 3 more combos.
36(correct math??) Q combos beat you here vs 110 we are ahead of.
I find it hard to analyze this hand really, just not a line I've ever seen... lol.

#7

23rd June 2010, 1:48 PM

Likminutz [851]

Game: NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by thepokerkid123

Only value hands that do this are KQ and AKs/KJs so exactly 11 combos.

He bluffs at this with exactly 0 if he knows what he's doing.

Sets and flush draws he intends to bluff with raise on the flop or turn. This is value or value.

Yeah I thought more about this after i left for class. This is almost never a set the way it's played...still a fold though