Deuce wrote:Was Mark Sweeney tested? Where are those results? Even if they were negative, why not post those too? Because if Sweeney's test proves to be positive, there goes the story. Barry had to be the only one doing them. <img src=/forums/images/smiles/kiss.gif>

23 homeruns, and watch how quiet it gets.

Its nice how he threw Mark under the bus...had to take someone with him. He even told Mark that he wasnt trying to blame him and that it wasnt anything against him. Good for you Barry - alienate one of your only "friends" on that team.

And you would think all of Barry's "friends" in the clubhouse (the numerous trainers and entourage he brings along) that he wouldnt have to go to Mark's locker to get something. I'm sure they could have supplied it to him as they have done in the past.

Have you read "Game of Shadows"?

What entourage are you talking about? Have you ever seen this entourage? You read far too many papers. These people you refer to as Barry's entourage do not work for Barry exclusively. In fact, the people you are probably referring to do not have access to the locker room. Please post from fact, what you have read in the paper, was years ago and no longer fact.

I have not read "Game of Shadows". I go to the park and watch up close and personal. I would rather see it, as opposed to being told about. The story is never accurate in print.

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Deuce wrote:Was Mark Sweeney tested? Where are those results? Even if they were negative, why not post those too? Because if Sweeney's test proves to be positive, there goes the story. Barry had to be the only one doing them. <img src=/forums/images/smiles/kiss.gif>

23 homeruns, and watch how quiet it gets.

Its nice how he threw Mark under the bus...had to take someone with him. He even told Mark that he wasnt trying to blame him and that it wasnt anything against him. Good for you Barry - alienate one of your only "friends" on that team.

And you would think all of Barry's "friends" in the clubhouse (the numerous trainers and entourage he brings along) that he wouldnt have to go to Mark's locker to get something. I'm sure they could have supplied it to him as they have done in the past.

Have you read "Game of Shadows"?

What entourage are you talking about? Have you ever seen this entourage? You read far too many papers. These people you refer to as Barry's entourage do not work for Barry exclusively. In fact, the people you are probably referring to do not have access to the locker room. Please post from fact, what you have read in the paper, was years ago and no longer fact.

I'm pretty sure they are - "Game of Shadows" (have you read it?) and recently some shows this morning confirm it.

That's why they are still negotiating his contract - he wants some of his trainers and others to be on the Giants payroll as they had been on the past. He wants them to be allowed into the locker room.

I tend to trust those who are in the clubhouse day in and day out.

You're assuming that I am not!
If this entourage needs to be added to the contract and payroll, so that they can be granted access to the locker room, wouldn't you assume that they currently do not have those privledges. I am 100% sure neither Lance Williams or Mark Fainura-Wada had access to this locker room. So, to me, the "Game of Shadows", is also based on rumor and assumption. There's alot of that going around Barry these days.

Deuce wrote:You're assuming that I am not!If this entourage needs to be added to the contract and payroll, so that they can be granted access to the locker room, wouldn't you assume that they currently do not have those privledges. I am 100% sure neither Lance Williams or Mark Fainura-Wada had access to this locker room. So, to me, the "Game of Shadows", is also based on rumor and assumption. There's alot of that going around Barry these days.

First, you claim to know Jeff Novitzky (and his father) on a personal level (in another thread), and now you insinuate that you have daily access to the Giants' locker room. How is it that you have this access? Currently, I will believe two reporters who have gone through a thorough investigation rather than some random guy in an internet cafe.

Someone is going to come along and think they can persuade the 25 club members that Bonds cheated/used roids/is guilty and we'll have 20 pages of the same arguements that we already have 200 pages on.

So let's save us all some time here and wait until something that the 25 club members would consider to be legit/valid/official before we go through the same old arguements.

This is so true. When I first heard the new story this morning, one of my first thoughts was how the 25 club on here was going to try to spin it. "Everybody else did it", "It should never have been leaked", "Sources aren't credible". So far, I have not been disappointed.