Nooska wrote:I've fired handguns at the "kids" summer activities when I was eligeble to go to that (up to 7th grade I think) - at the shooting range where you could enroll to keep doing it and such.I've shired shotguns while taking my hunting license (which is sitll current even though I haven't shot a gun since I qualified, so I should not be allowed to actually go on a hunt before some serious practise and a gun of my own so I can get some ractise that makes sense)

Frustration about that; a shotgun costs a minor fortune. A Gun safe (which , apart from being a good idea, is mandatory) is affordable, but I don't actually have anywhere I can put it (and have it comply with requirements for 10 cm / 4" or penetrating bolts) without it also being in the way and a serious eye-sore.

Odd, when I was at summer camps as a kid, we were able to shoot rifles/shotguns, but never hand guns.

Out of curiosity, where are you that you're required to have a safe?

Courage not of this earth in your eyesFaith from far beyond lies deep inside

It is also a requirement that ammunition is in a seperately locked safe (though gunsafes with a seperate lockbox inside is okay).

From the licensing education, I also gathere its a good idea to lock up the lock piece/bottom piece seperately - if anyone steals the shotgun without it they can fire 2 shots, and thats it (since the ejector mechanism is in the lockpiece (I'm, not sure of teh tech term in english for that piece).

I can mount a shotgun on the wall under some circumstances (since I can mount a piece of wood with 2 screwed on pipes) - I'm just not 100% sure how much I have to lock up seperately to be allowed to do that (and not something I would really want :p)

Nooska wrote:I've fired handguns at the "kids" summer activities when I was eligeble to go to that (up to 7th grade I think) - at the shooting range where you could enroll to keep doing it and such.I've shired shotguns while taking my hunting license (which is sitll current even though I haven't shot a gun since I qualified, so I should not be allowed to actually go on a hunt before some serious practise and a gun of my own so I can get some ractise that makes sense)

Frustration about that; a shotgun costs a minor fortune. A Gun safe (which , apart from being a good idea, is mandatory) is affordable, but I don't actually have anywhere I can put it (and have it comply with requirements for 10 cm / 4" or penetrating bolts) without it also being in the way and a serious eye-sore.

Odd, when I was at summer camps as a kid, we were able to shoot rifles/shotguns, but never hand guns.

Wait, they let you shoot with real weapons in kid camps? O_______________________O

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Worldie wrote:Wait, they let you shoot with real weapons in kid camps? O_______________________O

yeah, i learned how to shoot both rifles and shotguns at boy scout camp when i was like 12 and 13

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theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Well, to be fair, 2 points in favor of this (from a definatly pro control guy).1) Weapons are so prevalent in the US (in general) that it is safer to know how to handle them and be around them while learning, than not learning in most cases.2) There genuinely ARE parts of the US where having a weapon, and knowing how to use it, is actually necessary for survival (granted, mostly its areas where you also need to have you own watersource and know how to build a fire in case your heating system fails etc..)

If it helps, Worldie, I have had an offer from the same person (several times) to take me to a gun range and teach me how to shoot.

I usually decline. "In an emergency, I can figure out how to not shoot myself, but as I do not plan on owning a firearm, I really do not see a need for it."

"But if you knew how to shoot properly...!"

"It wouldn't compel me to suddenly go, OH I WANT A GUN!"

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.

Precisely. And I'm pretty clumsy, so I prefer to not tempt fate, training or not. Don't get me wrong, I do see the value in knowing how to, but a firearm is one thing I have no plans to ever own and/or permit in my residence or vehicle (loaded or not).

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.

Amirya wrote:Precisely. And I'm pretty clumsy, so I prefer to not tempt fate, training or not. Don't get me wrong, I do see the value in knowing how to, but a firearm is one thing I have no plans to ever own and/or permit in my residence or vehicle (loaded or not).

I'm very pro gun. I own quite a few weapons.

But, I'm also very pro gun control. It's a messy topic, and people around here don't understand how I can be both, because the US is (in stereotype) a land of extremes when it comes to issues such as this.

As for a success:

I purchased, and linked what will probably be the last weapon for my current PoE character. Having a weapon of this magnitude has taken the clearing of end game content to an almost lulz ezmode in most instances, and I'm not even in completely "end game quality" gear yet.

Worldie wrote:Wait, they let you shoot with real weapons in kid camps? O_______________________O

Not too young, I would have been... 10-12 or so, and we were only shooting .22's.

The guns were kept under secure lock at the range, and we were all taught an extensive class on gun safety before being allowed to use them. To be perfectly honest, it was probably safer letting us use those guns that it was letting us carry pocket knives or use saws to cut firewood.

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blackfuse 10N down! and second pull on paragons we got 6 down, 1 1/2 hours left in raid tonight, hopefully they will be down by the end!edit: hour left in raid and Paragons are down!

on to garrosh!

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Work related: Finally tackled a nasty bug that has been haunting our application for several months now but did not want to be taken down.

WoW related: Gave someone new to wow (she got her level 87 hunter from her boyfriend who is also in our guild) a good time by showing around some raids. We first did our weekly "dragon hunt" (Sarth -> Malygos -> Ony) with several guildy's at the same time, just because we can. After that we had lots of spare time so we went Blackwing descent aswell. It was her first time there and she greatly enjoyed it ^^ Feels good to show new people around like that a bit ^^

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

I think i`ll just file this in the success list. Last saturday we actually did a raid with 10 guildy's. With high hopes we started SoO flex with all 10 of us inside. The trash went down quite slow... And we didnt get the first boss to go under even once (with bloodlust). But we had 10 guildy's!

When we saw that wouldn't work, we went to Terrace of the Endless springs. And got absolutely nothing further... So after a few tries we stopped with that aswell, but we still had 10 guildy's together in a raid group!

Turned out that we had 3 dps doing 30k - 50k dps... We where kinda baffled on how they managed that, so we talked with them, helped them a bit. And one dps happily reported that he tripled his dps after the advice we had for him ^^ So should we manage to get 10 again, we should be able to get further

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.