At the very least I'd like to know why exactly the band is on the blacklist, and if the reason is because of genre if the two songs I posted are considered metal enough.

The second thing is, I think it would be a good idea to pair every band that is on the blacklist with a short statement of the reason why they are on there. That way, if someone were to say try and add Slipknot on the archives the orange box would come up, but it would also include "Reason: Mallcore".

Or a band that is blacklisted because of no valid release, would simply be "Reason: No valid release"

Perhaps the reason could be a link to the rules that show people exactly what constitutes a metal band and what constitutes a valid release, whether it be a physical or digital release.

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Please remove the Danish Black metal band "Natblot" from the blacklist. Its a legit name. I got in my possession a demo tape and its up to ALL metal archive band submission rules... Unless some mod can tell me otherwise ?

Please remove the Danish Black metal band "Natblot" from the blacklist. Its a legit name. I got in my possession a demo tape and its up to ALL metal archive band submission rules... Unless some mod can tell me otherwise ?

Show us the pictures of the tape in this thread and I'll unblacklist them. The last guy who tried submitting it was very adamant in his refusal to show any evidence.

At the very least I'd like to know why exactly the band is on the blacklist, and if the reason is because of genre if the two songs I posted are considered metal enough.

Blacklisted by Derigin on December 31st, 2012 for being more -core than metal. I admit, though, that those two songs sound perfectly alright to me. Would be good to have a way of listening to the whole album.

First "Atheria" got rejected because it had no approved site concerning digital releases. So i made an official bandcamp site, where one can buy the digital tracks, and also NOW(the EP was released in CD during the band queue waiting, and i added that in update of the band) can buy the CDr(4 copies from me only). The EP is also now released by a Label too then! so it is not just a digital release anymore! This SECOND time it got rejected because of this answer "More ambient than black metal"......??!! Even if it just was ONE song on the EP which had drums guitars and all that is that could be classified as Black Metal, it still is black metal, not to mention Metal in general! Even if the EP in general is "more" ambient, which it is not since in majority it concists of more guitar then keys!!!

So i OBJECT to this - Azmodes! What is the reason?! Even if the most tracks are in keyboards ect(meaning Dark ambient) Dark Ambient is STILL in the black metal genre. Also since dark ambient is classified as relevant in this genre! just as for example Sagittarius(which is actually Classical/Neofolk, which is even more "distant" from the metal genre, in my opinion!), Dargaard, Lord Wolf, Vond, Wojnar, Aekon Ketreeh etc and etc, these are ones that come to my mind.

So please explain to me how you thought now Azmodes?

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Well, yeah, that's how it is. Not sure if the other mods who previously rejected it didn't listen and just rejected because of the release issue or if they thought it was metal enough, but for me it's ambient. Pretty plain. I realize this may seem like we're messing with you, especially after having had that lengthy discussion back in January, but mods often reject bands that don't seem to have a valid release before listening to the music. From what I've seen the band would now be acceptable in terms of release, yes. Maybe I should have checked the band at some point, not ideal, the way it went, but there it is. Sorry for raising your hopes that way. The moderation process is not always smooth, we try to coordinate as best we can, but things slip through and misunderstandings happen.

Anyway... first track on the album is ambient with distorted guitars, second track is ambient, third track is ambient again with some vaguely metal-ish moments, but it's mostly just distorted guitars providing texture, fourth track is ambient, fifth tracks is perhaps the most metallic one, but still mainly ambient without any riffs, sixth track is ambient again.

fifth tracks is perhaps the most metallic one, but still mainly ambient without any riffs..

How can the fifth track be "more metallic" according to YOU if you exactly in the same sentence say that it got "NO" riffs !!!! Unbelievable! Fucking unbelievable! The fifth track HAS guitar riffs - AND the song structure consists of MORE Guitars then keyboards layers!!! have you problem with your hearing or what?! http://atheria.bandcamp.com/ ! Thank you for linking to my bandcamp site btw(for example!), i hope MORE people will understand the main fault with your site after all!! You got bands on this site that is not even metal in any sorts of sense, and you reject bands that ARE in the genre, this site is a total mess.

It is pretty obvious you took offence, and do however you want on this site, this is not convincing. I mentioned various bands which are dark ambient, and are on this site(and by all rights since it is a relevant genre to metal, and especially BLACK metal!). It just for anyone to look up. You rejected an EP that is half dark ambient, and half "metalish"(even if more correctly say everything is metal ANYWAY), while there are bands on this site that are ONLY keyboards! No, i dont believe you. I understood something was wrong, the last time to well when some of you could not give a proper answer!

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fifth tracks is perhaps the most metallic one, but still mainly ambient without any riffs..

How can the fifth track be "more metallic" according to YOU if you exactly in the same sentence say that it got "NO" riffs !!!! Unbelievable! Fucking unbelievable! The fifth track HAS guitar riffs - AND the song structure concists of MORE Guitars then keybaord!!! have you problem with your hearing or what?! http://atheria.bandcamp.com/ !

It has guitar progressions and tremolo, yes, that kind that evoke a similarity to black metal for me in terms of sound texture, but notice I wrote "still mainly ambient without any riffs", the guitars' use is still much more akin to ambient structuring than real metal riffs. I wouldn't get too hung up on me phrasing it as "the most metallic track", considering the rest of the album.

MysticWoods wrote:

is pretty obvious you took offence

I assure you I did not and I'm not really sure what you're referring to.

MysticWoods wrote:

and do however you want on this site, this is not convincing. I mentioned various bands which are dark ambient, and are on this site(and by all rights since it is a relevant genre to metal, and especially BLACK metal!

The bands you're talking about are selected non-metal exceptions and/or side-projects of metal musicians/bands. They are not listed because we consider dark ambient to be metal.

..the guitars' use is still much more akin to ambient structuring than real metal riffs...

Huh??!! Stupidiest thing you said so far! Hey you are not fooling me or anybody else! You decide however you want on this site, i am suprised this site is a first thing that come up on Google seriously! it really should not be that way, really.

Azmodes wrote:

The bands you're talking about are selected non-metal exceptions and/or side-projects of metal musicians/bands. They are not listed because we consider dark ambient to be metal.

Who are "we"?? I noticed many of the moderators here is like...it gives me a headache talking to some of you - jus tthe same! But still i dont think everybody who hangs here are like you! Dark Ambient has always been in the genre - "metal"(precisly black more) either as just an intro or outro, or either as most of a release or totally and minor tracks etc. AND if you are listing the bands by artists sideprojects that are in a metalband, WELL THEN i say that i am the guy behind the band "Fullmoon Mist"! which is on this site! So?! why dont you go ahead put the Atheria project up allready - since it is my "non metal sideproject"?! So, lets see what you will say now....?! Honestly you dont fool me. This is not about the "metalish" thing. You and some others here have got over your ears, to such a low point lately. I just took a look at your music Collection(and your "lastfm - profile" too and i think it explaisn it ALL about you!), seeing musicgroups as "Rage against the machine", Sade, Roxette, and i dont know what-else shit(NO, not just non metal, but plain shit) you listen too and list there, but IN FACT i dont think YOU are a real "Metal"(person who listens, plays, or in some way is affiliated with the genre)(You definitly dont know anything around Black Metal foremost and obviously!) person either! So basically its not just your "personal shit vendetta" here, its the lack of knowledge of the genre in general and you are PATHETIC!. More clear now for me.

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The side-project rule doesn't mean that any ambient project of a metal musician is automatically accepted. It has to be noteworthy in regards to its place in the metal scene and general reknown. No offense, but this does not apply to you from what I can see. It's been a tricky rule and some mods would like to see it gone for consistency's and lack-of-headaches' sake, but it's here to stay and we're very strict about how we regulate that particular clause and what non-metal SPs we do or do not accept. These things are reviewed thoroughly.

Regarding (dark) ambient, it may be closely tied to black metal inasmuch as listenership of the two genres often overlaps and bands from one style like to take influences from the other, but for our purposes, as we define acceptable bands for the site, it's not, musically, metal. It's... well, ambient. This should be rather obvious.

If it upsets you so much talking to the staff in general and me in particular then it may be best to just end this at this point and save us both the time and effort. Clearly you're not happy with our definition of metal or how we run things. I'm not saying you aren't allowed to have another opinion, of course not, but it may be best for all involved if you just went elsewhere and gave this a rest.

The side-project rule doesn't mean that any ambient project of a metal musician is automatically accepted. It has to be noteworthy in regards to its place in the metal scene and general reknown. No offense, but this does not apply to you from what I can see. It's been a tricky rule and some mods would like to see it gone for consistency's and lack-of-headaches' sake, but it's here to stay and we're very strict about how we regulate that particular clause and what non-metal SPs we do or do not accept. These things are reviewed thoroughly.

Regarding (dark) ambient, it may be closely tied to black metal inasmuch as listenership of the two genres often overlaps and bands from either style often take influences from the other, but for our purposes, as we define acceptable bands for the site, it's not, musically, metal. It's... well, ambient. This should be rather obvious.

If it upsets you so much talking to the staff in general and me in particular then it may be best to just end this at this point and save us both the time and effort. Clearly you're not happy with our definition of metal or how we run things. I'm not saying you aren't allowed to have another opinion, of course not, but it may be best for all involved if you just went elsewhere.

And with that i close by REFER to all the previous i wrote you, simple as that. Bullshit plain and simple! You are the wrong person, in a misguided site with no whatsoever order and information based on facts, but on decisions by someone...like yourself, and that's all i have to say and close with!

Alright, posting in an effort to resubmit the band Sick/Tired.They have a new sound/lineup that is way more metal than before, it is grindcore taking more from the death metal side of things in terms of chugging and winding riffs and the vocals are death growls mixed with screams.new tracks (rabid dogs is a coc cover fyi): http://sick-tired.bandcamp.com/

Who are "we"?? I noticed many of the moderators here is like...it gives me a headache talking to some of you - jus tthe same! But still i dont think everybody who hangs here are like you! Dark Ambient has always been in the genre - "metal"(precisly black more) either as just an intro or outro, or either as most of a release or totally and minor tracks etc. AND if you are listing the bands by artists sideprojects that are in a metalband, WELL THEN i say that i am the guy behind the band "Fullmoon Mist"! which is on this site! So?! why dont you go ahead put the Atheria project up allready - since it is my "non metal sideproject"?! So, lets see what you will say now....?! Honestly you dont fool me. This is not about the "metalish" thing. You and some others here have got over your ears, to such a low point lately. I just took a look at your music Collection(and your "lastfm - profile" too and i think it explaisn it ALL about you!), seeing musicgroups as "Rage against the machine", Sade, Roxette, and i dont know what-else shit(not just non metal, but plain shit) you listen too and list there, but IN FACT i dont think YOU are a real "Metal"(Definitly not into Black Metal foremost and obviously!)person who listens, plays, or in some way is affilieted with the genre) person either! So basically its not just your "personal shit vendetta" here, its the lack of knowledge of the genre in general and you are PATHETIC!. More clear now for me.

Okay, I see the problem now. Azmodes has kindly and patiently explained to you that your ambient music isn't metal. But the fact remains that you are quite possibly the thickest, densest, and stupidest person to ever post in this thread, so his posts fly right over your head. And that's saying a lot: we've had our share of morons over the years. But you just steadfastly refuse to listen and comprehend the things being said to you. This rare ability to shut your mind off and utterly fail to assimilate new information is nothing short of remarkable. This was already the case in the previous discussion about acceptable releases, but now it's gone one notch further. So, congratulations on being so dumb as to transcend dumbness.

Amazing, though, that you'd take potshots at Azmodes's last.fm to question his knowledge of metal. Classic ad hominem. Just because he likes some non-metal music doesn't mean he doesn't know his metal. Not only does he obviously know more about metal than you do, since you think dark ambient is metal music when it's clearly not, but he's actually very knowledgeable and as site owner I fully endorse his decision. Go on, look at MY last.fm -- oh no, I have Pink Floyd, Dead Can Dance, Loreena McKennitt and video game scores among my listens, my tr00ness cred is gone!

Seriously, what a fucking idiot.

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Markeri, in 2013 wrote:

you can debate the actual date that metal began, but a fairly agreed upon date is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old

Extreme_violence wrote:

Why Iron maiden is there? It's very far to be metal than a lot of some metal band.

Okay, I see the problem now. Azmodes has kindly and patiently explained to you that your ambient music isn't metal. But the fact remains that you are quite possibly the thickest, densest, and stupidest person to ever post in this thread, so his posts fly right over your head. And that's saying a lot: we've had our share of morons over the years. But you just steadfastly refuse to listen and comprehend the things being said to you. This rare ability to shut your mind off and utterly fail to assimilate new information is nothing short of remarkable. This was already the case in the previous discussion about acceptable releases, but now it's gone one notch further. So, congratulations on being so dumb as to transcend dumbness.

Amazing, though, that you'd take potshots at Azmodes's last.fm to question his knowledge of metal. Classic ad hominem. Just because he likes some non-metal music doesn't mean he doesn't know his metal. Not only does he obviously know more about metal than you do, since you think dark ambient is metal music when it's clearly not, but he's actually very knowledgeable and as site owner I fully endorse his decision. Go on, look at MY last.fm -- oh no, I have Pink Floyd, Dead Can Dance, Loreena McKennitt and video game scores among my listens, my tr00ness cred is gone!

Seriously, what a fucking idiot.

You are both pathetic, you dont go by whats metal and not(clearly by so many reasons, let alone my case now), but you got so offended you decided to shut this project down! Whatever else you say will not change this fact!Also i did not per say that Dark Ambient alone IS in Metal, BUT i said it is RELEVANT!!! to the genre and especially black metal, which neither him or you know to much about as a genre!!

Also you lame idiot, sad excuse for a moderator on a so called metal database site!: To have Dead can dance(which is a good classic ethereal wave and etc band - or your DAMN video scores) is NOT the same as regarding stuff like "Rage against the machine, Sade and Roxette", and these were just a quick browse by me through the letter "R" on his list!! Who knows what else there is, and what kind of person him and you are really anyway! This is a POINT i pointed out except your disrespect and hate towards me. I recall both him and you actually for the most slow and arrogant moderators on here! Pathetic!

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Once again proving me you are too stupid to comprehend what is being written. Thick as a castle wall...

So what if Azmodes likes Rage Against the Machine? I can't stand them myself, but he obviously doesn't think they're metal. Why do you care what someone listens to? And it won't change the fact that your music is not metal in any way. If you think ambient is metal, you're an ignorant moron.

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Markeri, in 2013 wrote:

you can debate the actual date that metal began, but a fairly agreed upon date is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old

Extreme_violence wrote:

Why Iron maiden is there? It's very far to be metal than a lot of some metal band.

Once again proving me you are too stupid to comprehend what is being written. Thick as a castle wall...

So what if Azmodes likes Rage Against the Machine? I can't stand them myself, but he obviously doesn't think they're metal. Why do you care what someone listens to? And it won't change the fact that your music is not metal in any way. If you think ambient is metal, you're an ignorant moron.

Not only do you know about Black Metal(id say and make a wild guess Metal in general though), but you dont know EITHER what Dark Ambient is apparently either! If my EP would be TOTAL Dark Ambient, it would not have regular black metal drumming(see double bass for example, i guess you dont know what that is, yet you are one of the moderators on this board, fucking great!!!), or Guitars and Bass riffs and vocals either in 2 of the tracks! Let us ask someone else here btw for a quick reason at least - right now at this board: if this release is Metal, or just TOTAL Ambient as you say! A suggestion! Well the answer is simply THAT i got rejected because you are pathetic to what i wrote to you some months ago!

EDIT: I dont give a flying shit if you can't stand a band such as Rage against the machine, NO REAL Metalhead can stand them you idiot! I got rejected by someone who is NOT a MEtalhead and who listens to rage against the machine, FOR EXAMPLE, trying to tell me about what is Metal and not, and THAT is Pathetic. You need a cleansing of moderators for such a site!

I, as being not a moderator on this site, have to say that although Dark Ambient has some relevance to Black Metal it still is not metal.Double Bass drumming is also used in Jazz so this site should also include Jazz for this reason? Or should they say that Jazz is relevant to Black Metal since they both share the use of guitars, double bass drumming and bassguitar. I know my fair share of music, have never been narrow minded about any form of music but I do know that there are lots of different styles of music. In saying that Dark Ambient has more similarities in common with House and Trance than it does with Black Metal. Guitars in Black Ambient are there for soundscaping reasons not as the foundation of the song whereas in Metal (any style) guitars do form the foundation of the music.

Trying to get some shitty Dark Ambient project posted on a Metal Encyclopedia is like asking George Bush to become a communist!

I found out about the blacklisting when I attempted to add to the archives. I'm only guessing of the reason of the blacklisting... I kinda felt it was close enough cause it's actually rather simiar to my Yzord project. No matter either way though. I won't go on an insane post spree attacking everything and everyone

Wanted to ask about Corsair. I'm assuming they are blacklisted for being too rock? Although their first LP is metal in my opinion, the latest record is even more so. They have a very NWOBHM sound to them but I also listen to them besides Slough Feg which share some similar moments. There's definitely rock rhythms but the leads are metal all the way. I just wanted to ask for a reconsideration. Listen to songs like Gryphon Wing and Of Kings and Cowards. Those are metal riffs all the way. No sweat either way just thought they deserved a re-consideration.

I wanted to add "Toxic Beast" (Germany) to the archives, but can't 'cause someone allready tried it and they were blacklistet.I think they are blacklistet, 'cause someone added them, before they released something, but now they did.I am a good friend of them and want to add them into this and I want to ask, if I (or if that is impossible, then oe of you) can update the entry for them, so that everything is fine and they can be in the archives?