I invited the greatAlex Vitale– author, activist, professor, and police consultant – to the show. Alex’s bookThe End of Policing is an extraordinary book about undoing the role of police in society. Not just a critique, but a guide for how to get there. The awakening to police brutality, police militarization, and police racism in the US has opened up new pathways of how communities can work and what the role of justice and punishment might mean. Alex and I cover it all, and he’s really, really great on just about everything we discussed. Way better than me at first, because I ramble a bit in the face of the expert. But that’s okay! I get back on my feet and we have an amazing conversation.

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