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Kibble wrote:I don't understand MP Sunstorm. Considering they probably won't do the much more significant Coneheads, and even the other two seekers, though likely, aren't a guarantee, what's the point of a(n) MP Sunstorm without the rest? And it makes even less sense to do a(n) MP of something they haven't even found worth their while to make a Classics figure for...

I guess props for doing something obscure for the hardcore collectors, however, most of them probably already bought the iGear version.

Really? I think I understand it completely. Look at it this way: If Tak/Has wanted to do another MP, they could do Ramjet, but would require remolding the wings, and head. OR, for less money but the same profit, they could just repaint Starscream for the 8th time and sell that.

Don't get me wrong, I would do the same thing, and I have no qualms about it, but its also why I appreciate the 3rd party items, seems they're able to produce the characters we want on a much smaller scale.

Both of these are great peices of news. The last Encore release I bought was the reissue of Sunstorm, and I love MP Seekers! Sixshot is good news too. Like Rated X says, he's fairly easy to come by on eBay, but I've always wanted a nice, new one. Now's my chance. Great news!

What none of you have yet to mention is the fact that this will be the remold of the MP seeker mold. It actually makes perfect sense that TT would make him, as he's already been canonized in fiction and his coloring makes him a rather noticible toy. Since this is the NEW mold, they will want to capitalize on the variation somehow. If they do decide to do the coneheads, it will be Seeker mold 3.0

MP Sunstorm huh? Makes perfect sense to me. In fiction, Sunstorm has always been megalomaniac, even claiming to be a god. The crown and cape included with the MP-11 mold fit the character perfectly.And Encore Sixshot is a must-buy if I had the funds. I'd even take an original if complete.

ViperEye82 wrote:Really? I think I understand it completely. Look at it this way: If Tak/Has wanted to do another MP, they could do Ramjet, but would require remolding the wings, and head. OR, for less money but the same profit, they could just repaint Starscream for the 8th time and sell that.

Don't get me wrong, I would do the same thing, and I have no qualms about it, but its also why I appreciate the 3rd party items, seems they're able to produce the characters we want on a much smaller scale.

I understand that it's an easy, straight repaint. What I don't understand is why they're bothering. Ghost Starscream appeared not to be such a hot seller. I suspect this will probably fail to even do that well as many that would actually have interest in a(n) MP Sunstorm already bought iGear's. Sunstorm being an obscure character + MPs carrying a high price tag + a large number that want one already have it = a recipe for poor sales.

Marcdachamp wrote:Encore Sunstorm, huh? I never did get the masterpiece seeker mold. If Hasbro brings him to the U.S., I might be tempted to cave and grab one, especially if they throw in a unique accessory or two.

Well, its MP Sunstorm, not encore. Encore is the Sixshot figure.

I meant MP. Stupid typo.

If Hasbro brings over the MP with a decent paint job and maybe an exclusive accessory or two, I might snag him.

I wouldn't hold my breath. If they haven't even released a Masterpiece Thundercracker in the US, what chance does a Sunstorm possibly have?!

Kibble wrote:I don't understand MP Sunstorm. Considering they probably won't do the much more significant Coneheads, and even the other two seekers, though likely, aren't a guarantee, what's the point of a(n) MP Sunstorm without the rest? And it makes even less sense to do a(n) MP of something they haven't even found worth their while to make a Classics figure for...

I guess props for doing something obscure for the hardcore collectors, however, most of them probably already bought the iGear version.

It makes perfect sense to do Sunstorm. Skywarp and Thundercracker are surely going to be more popular (overall) than a Masterpiece Sunstorm is (due to being more iconic, etc). They're also essential to finish the "Seeker Trio" as it were, while Sunstorm is just an extra character.

So do Sunstorm first, get the sales for that for people who will buy him just because and then release Thundercracker and Skywarp later (because most people will want both of them if they have Starscream or one or the other and less likely to skip one of them than they would a Sunstorm). While a Sunstorm after fact wouldn't likely be as popular (having had a few releases of the new tooling by then) people might just skip him.

Plus I'm sure Sunstorm is being done in an effort to kill any future sales of iGear's version.

Sunstorm - Might be interesting...has anyone actually gotten an MP-11 Starscream in hand yet..? I know that supposedly the difference between MP-11 and MP-03 are minimal, but its entirely possible that MP-11 could be a better figure that MP-03 through minor fixes & such. Thus this could make the MP-11 mold worthwhile to some people.

Powered Convoy wrote:It makes perfect sense to do Sunstorm. Skywarp and Thundercracker are surely going to be more popular (overall) than a Masterpiece Sunstorm is (due to being more iconic, etc). They're also essential to finish the "Seeker Trio" as it were, while Sunstorm is just an extra character.

So do Sunstorm first, get the sales for that for people who will buy him just because and then release Thundercracker and Skywarp later (because most people will want both of them if they have Starscream or one or the other and less likely to skip one of them than they would a Sunstorm). While a Sunstorm after fact wouldn't likely be as popular (having had a few releases of the new tooling by then) people might just skip him.

Plus I'm sure Sunstorm is being done in an effort to kill any future sales of iGear's version.

Randy

It makes perfect sense for iGear to do Sunstorm where selling 2000 of them is considered a success. How many does Takara need to sell for it to be worth their while? Then again, since Takara actually sells theirs for more than iGear, maybe selling 2000 is worth their while, too...yeah, probably not.

But I still maintain if Sunstorm isn't worth their while enough to do as a Henkei or United fig, WTF are they doing releasing it as an MP? Looks to me like they're just trying to 'stick' it to iGear...which is idiotic in its own right considering iGear already beat them to the punch and charge about $50 less...assuming Takara doesn't charge even more for Sunstorm than Starscream.

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Diem wrote:Ugh, another Masterpiece repaint and it's not even a real character. Boo!

Sunstorm isn't a "real character"? What do you mean?

He's a combination of an early animation error and the terrible Dreamwave comics...which puts him somewhere below Drift on my scale of what counts as a real character. They might as well release Bumblejumper.

Marcdachamp wrote:Encore Sunstorm, huh? I never did get the masterpiece seeker mold. If Hasbro brings him to the U.S., I might be tempted to cave and grab one, especially if they throw in a unique accessory or two.

Well, its MP Sunstorm, not encore. Encore is the Sixshot figure.

I meant MP. Stupid typo.

If Hasbro brings over the MP with a decent paint job and maybe an exclusive accessory or two, I might snag him.

I wouldn't hold my breath. If they haven't even released a Masterpiece Thundercracker in the US, what chance does a Sunstorm possibly have?!

Well, it's win-win for me. I'd prefer it if he came out in the US as Starscream, but if they bring it over as Sunstorm, I'm cool with that, too.

Powered Convoy wrote:It makes perfect sense to do Sunstorm. Skywarp and Thundercracker are surely going to be more popular (overall) than a Masterpiece Sunstorm is (due to being more iconic, etc). They're also essential to finish the "Seeker Trio" as it were, while Sunstorm is just an extra character.

So do Sunstorm first, get the sales for that for people who will buy him just because and then release Thundercracker and Skywarp later (because most people will want both of them if they have Starscream or one or the other and less likely to skip one of them than they would a Sunstorm). While a Sunstorm after fact wouldn't likely be as popular (having had a few releases of the new tooling by then) people might just skip him.

Plus I'm sure Sunstorm is being done in an effort to kill any future sales of iGear's version.

Randy

It makes perfect sense for iGear to do Sunstorm where selling 2000 of them is considered a success. How many does Takara need to sell for it to be worth their while? Then again, since Takara actually sells theirs for more than iGear, maybe selling 2000 is worth their while, too...yeah, probably not.

But I still maintain if Sunstorm isn't worth their while enough to do as a Henkei or United fig, WTF are they doing releasing it as an MP? Looks to me like they're just trying to 'stick' it to iGear...which is idiotic in its own right considering iGear already beat them to the punch and charge about $50 less...assuming Takara doesn't charge even more for Sunstorm than Starscream.

It could be very likely that this is an e-Hobby exclusive in Japan (only preorders we've seen so far are for Malaysia) or even just an Asia only exclusive (no release for Japan). So who knows how many they're making or they may produce only as many as there are orders for said item.

Diem wrote:

GuyIncognito wrote:

Diem wrote:Ugh, another Masterpiece repaint and it's not even a real character. Boo!

Sunstorm isn't a "real character"? What do you mean?

He's a combination of an early animation error and the terrible Dreamwave comics...which puts him somewhere below Drift on my scale of what counts as a real character. They might as well release Bumblejumper.

Well having several official figures and appearing in the comics does make him more official than a lot of other guys. Heck by that standard alone he's more official than a lot of the figures originally released in G1 who appeared less in fiction or got less toys.

Also he wasn't an animation error. It wasn't like he was supposed to be Starscream, Skywarp, or Thundercracker. The first 3 episodes were full of generics, with many of them meant to look like Seekers other than the main 3.

Autobot Genocide wrote:how many mp figures have had repaints and is grimlock the only original character untouched.

Since I didn't take the time to read through every single post I'll apologize in advance if someone already asked this but is that the actual TakaraTomy pic of their product or did they just use the pic of FrenzyRumble's custom Sunstorm that he did. Right about now I'm thinking that if that isn't FR's picture then Takara blatantly ripped off one of the most talented customizers out there. If he was on their payroll we would long since have been getting much cooler toys from them than what we get.I may also be completely ignorant of some connection here too, which would come as no surprise. Regardless, the one I'm most interested in is SixShot anyways. Missed out on him as a kid and the e-bay prices are obscene. Encore is doable so I'm happy to see he's being released.