Tuesday, February 21, 2017

So why is Mishpacha Magazine touting a book that some stores in Monsey won't carry?

These are just 2 3 of the 5 pages in the book dedicated to "Moshiach." Sounds like the rants of some random hater dude in some shtiebel, not that of a רשכבה"ג. The funny thing is that I know from first hand that the reason they're highlighting the book is not because of the anti-Lubavitch section because it's anti-Hafganos, which the מחבלים say he was for, so he published the book to show that he was against demonstrations. They didn't even bother to read the book. Very noble of Grylak. Mamesh. He's making sure we're on the straight and narrow. So if you're worried about the Mechablim why put this stuff in? So the author says Reb Chaim Kanievski told him to keep it in. I guess אז מ'פרעגט איז טרף. I guess he didn't really need a reason. I guess old habits die hard. And I guess a מתנגד בלייבט א מתנגד.

Or he's just trying to make מרן ראש הישיבה look bad, because some of the stuff in there is just plain comical, like this one:
"אחד שרצה להקים בית ספר לרפואה עבור בני חו"ל חילוניים כדי שלא ילמדו עם גויים ויש בזה תועלת שלא ינשאו לגויים.
השיב: שאין עניין להשתדל שלא ינשאו לגוים - ובמקום זה ינשאו ליהודיה בחיוב כרת, שלא ישמרו טהרת המשפחה". Which got me thinking: You think the Brisker Rov, who supposedly so held of this man, would act that way in Brest-Litovsk? When some couple who wouldn't probably keep Taharas HaMishpocha would come to him to get married, would he tell them not to get married because they'll get כרת? Or would he marry them knowing full well how they'll live? Remember; in Brisk there was no teilung and no Reform. If you wanted to get married you went to the Orthodox Rabbi. So where exactly did he get this mesorah from? So only if they want to do we allow them to marry Jewish, but we don't encourage it? Nice boych s'voreh. I wonder what his big chossid Reb Noah Weinberg would think of that.

97 comments:

sol kupperman, marine base
said...

I hope you will excuse me in my old age I lost the gist of it.. but I remember that when I started reading it my Radar locked in on "your side" but than I scrolled down seeing there is more to the story.. so I had an option to start over and consecrate better, but maybe I'll loose it again, so I decided against it, therfore I guess you can say that l'man h'uemes, that the best I can say on this kerfuffle is, No Comment.

Private conversations, based on the details of the questioner, are hardly a shita to learm from.Yes, he did not think much of the Chabad movement. But these questions asked were asked by private people in their situation. This should not have been published precisely for that reason.

Btw, if you want hate, read the letters at the beginning of קונטרס עץ החיים.

If the godols opinion differences from his private opinion, I would say than that that his opinion is; "I do not want my private opinion to be published" other wise "my" opinion which nulls each other are irrelevant. it also shows that he was clever enough to evaluate the issue thoroughly, and decided my true "public" opinion is what's relevant.

Litvak from Budapest"Btw, if you want hate, read the letters at the beginning of קונטרס עץ החיים."your style to throw out facts and anecdotes as if something related to this talk is somewhere,there is noting in Eitz Hachaim that relates with Marans hate first of all you have no idea who he has in mind,he talks at length of the holiness of the torah in Lita its bnie toeah and balie batimthen he talks about some torah that lacks yiras shomaim as a mussar shmuess

lutvak on lutvak I'm out of this show, want my refund, hope my zip code isn't on the banned refund list, which these SOB's where doing their most business in these zio code areas saturated with "dressed" kids! talk about cutzpah!!!

I think the Abravanel (maybe I am mistaking ) writes on the Kriah of Simchas Torah or Hoshana raba night that it is to resemble the Mitzva of Hakal...There is a Ramban on Torah, that all mitzvas in exile without a temple are only resemblance to remember them for the roturn of the Jews by MoshiachThe Ramban is discussed in many achronim, on the other hand, by replacing Esrogim with other fruit in time of need we see a differing view But for the old hatemonger of BB it did not matter the facts.His viciousness turned him to paranoia

Not that my opinion is relevant still everyone has one, this is mine, SR was a staunchly anti-chabad of late as anyone right? Still he wouldn't criticise him openly or none disguised in a "lecture". And he didn't want to hear people critical of him.., fact. he non-aporovingly approved of many of his endeavors, he even financialy supported at times his mosdos hatorah, and they'd not so hidden interactions.. on many many occasion, i.e. mikvas worldwide, Russian Jews, Argentina Jews, protests.., and inter-messages to Israeli ministers!, and more. There is no one today who can ostracise a whole struggling community from whit in and out! BTW try to focus the rage inward a little it may help more.

There turning nationalist is of great concern to some, and does great damage, and to others a political foot ball, in part because everyone is a lubavitcher no matter what he does or says.., but there is no Lubavitche. I mean there sure is a headquarters alright.

Yes I was influenced by this straight forward (tape) opinion, not in the arguments, but in their stirring up old long fadeded flair ups between lutvaks and others, and now it's being used politically. chabad to succeed must stop injecting their rebbe between each of the 10 commandments.. but what's left without the rebbe ! That's what I think is the question.

Hirshel, granted many of these quotes, if they are accurate, don't represent RS at his best. And you have a right to vent after reading such remarks about your rebbe.

But it does in a way bring out a point which I have not seen addressed in this blog.

Your blog highlights much good points about Lubavitch, and the lack of recognition and respect Lubavitch gets from other groups. But the elephant in the room is Lubavitch's Moshiach problem. Even the most open minded and objective observer can have trouble getting around that, and frankly credit RS for recognizing it early on.

Perhaps for another day when heads are clearer. But is that something you can take on?

"אחד שרצה להקים בית ספר לרפואה עבור בני חו"ל חילוניים כדי שלא ילמדו עם גויים ויש בזה תועלת שלא ינשאו לגויים. השיב: שאין עניין להשתדל שלא ינשאו לגוים - ובמקום זה ינשאו ליהודיה בחיוב כרת, שלא ישמרו טהרת המשפחה". Which got me thinking: You think the Brisker Rov, who supposedly so held of this man, would act that way in Brest-Litovsk? When some couple who wouldn't probably keep Taharas HaMishpocha would come to him to get married, would he tell them not to get married because they'll get כרת? Or would he marry them knowing full well how they'll live?"

The two cases are different. To go, at great expense, to make a special medical school, because it may, possibly, efsher, efsher, years later, help avert something (which is not guaranteed, it may not help), is different than actively refusing people who request siddur kidushin.

Did Lubavitch make special medical schools, colleges for Yidden with the cheshbon mentioned? No? So they agree with Rav Schach then you are saying? Great. :)

Right, that 'old' hatemonger. The Chazon Ish never really got too oldb and he took hakhel very seriously. Seriously לאיסור that is. But he was also wrong, because he should have known that the generation is getting a נשיא who will disagree and how dare je disagree with the future נשיא הדור?

The tipshus is astounding. I guess any litvisher bochur who ever did a Mitzva lekabel schar is an oved avoda zarah and nothing became of his mitzvah and others should not be mishtatef in the performance of his mitzvos! CH"V.

" ליטוואק פון בודאפעסט said...Right, that 'old' hatemonger. The Chazon Ish never really got too old and he took hakhel very seriously. Seriously לאיסור that is."you have gedolim like the Adereres that were big in to hakhel, he was a godul as big as the chazon ish,( u can disagree ) with no relations to the 7th rebbe,after all is said and done, it does not matter, the Chazon Ish was not in the Hate hustling business.By Maran it was hate for the sake of Hate (ask Nati Grossman)The bottom line is, there is already decades of talk of Hakhel in a spiritual fashion, and no cow was slaughtered as of now on the har habais.....it only helped some (obviously,naive yidelech in your eyes) who did a extra mitzva for the inspiration of Hakhel, not worse then the Rachmistrivker or Slonimer bochurim learning ROTZUF for the sake of shovavum inspiration

Clear thinking"The two cases are different. To go, at great expense, to make a special medical school, because it may, possibly, efsher, efsher, years later, help avert something (which is not guaranteed, it may not help), is different than actively refusing people who request siddur kidushin."Nobody knows for sure yet what happened in Brisk, its only assumptionsBut if the Brisker Ruv did do it, he was definitely for it.....

Joe's don't kid yourselve you're a pretty decent Munival even before you opened "The Internet" In fact you didn't found just randomly some Munival, You're on the internet precisely for that reason to find a Munival greater than yourself, keep looking don't give up until you will find what you're looking for, yourself.

Tzig,Sorry but your logic is faulty. You ASSUME that the Brisker Ruv WOULD HAVE married a couple that did not plan to keep taharas hamishpocho, and with that you attack the answer that there is no need to be mishtadel to see that freyeh students marry other yidden.You also called it comical.Actually your assumption is without any basis.Its quite likely that he would NOT marry them (i dont even know if he actually performed marriage ceremonies.Do you know whether he did? )Indeed as others have pointed out, even if he would marry such a couple, the cases are not similar at all:If you have someone coming to you already requesting a marriage, maybe you do not decline them, however to be mishtadel to try and set them up??

Litvak of budapest"Private conversations, based on the details of the questioner, are hardly a shita to learn from."as a born again Litvak, you would probably knowDid the Chofetz Chaim also talk different in Private then in PublicDoes he have a segment in his sefer Chofetz Chaim dedicated on the difference between public evil talk to private evil talksince you act as Mr Know it all, you would definitely be able to verify it

HirshelDid Wolf enter in his books hate statements against reb Ovadia,if you remember when Reb Ovadia dared to go on his own, he became the new haman of the Nati Grossmancrew and there boss the holy Avi Ezri DBA YatedWho decided Reb Ovadia can not be trusted with the mantle of leadership......Maybe the born again Litvak of Oiven Yoshun would know.... If I remember well they argued he learns too shallow.....to be trusted....he was good for a few years... I guess his learning got shallower

The end of the day this book hurts his legacy90% of the Yeshiva world has rid themselves from this bitter period of hate that he has wrought on themIn all kunteriesiem of the 90 percenters you see the move to get away from it.Wolf will maybe sell some books, since controversy sells, but Marans image he maligned.Lots of yidelech that were carried away with his hate laced demagoguery are seeing the light.What gave him right to create such a split in Jewry?Lubavicher rebbes view of doing missionary work in the yeshiva world does not give no one the right to claim he is a Kofer????he had a certain ego that he was the Manhig Hadoir, Based on what??? Rav Shtienman at least has Reb chaim that pushed him for it....Maran and his goons in yeshiva bullied Reb Duved in Ponevezh(heard from many that learned that era in Yeshiva) and took revenge on his son, which miraculously survived He was not the greatest scholar of our Doir, in no field he was the greatest (but in hate propagating)

I see no scandal here, They already showed their true colors when they condemned the Lubavitcher refuges in Shanghai to extinction because someone decided that all "lutvaks" are Talmudist by birth, and all "chasidim" are by definition am-haretzim! therefore they may all perish, Is it any wonder the SHAHc their for bearer condemns them and ostracise them in absentee.(for not sleeping in the succah, yea right) and for his own personal vendata.. common guys it's all dung.

The Alter Rebbe did his best to make sure that there was no negative response from his Chassidim to Misnagdic opposition. His son, the Mitteler Rebbe, made the divide even greater. He told his Chassidim to avoid dealing with Misnagdim at all. Don't daven in their shuls, etc.

The Tzemach Tzedek and R' Itzhele Volozhiner had a close relationship. Together they worked to prevent the government from forcing secular education on orthodox Jewry.

Q. It is known that the Vilna Gaon put 2 sectors of Chassidus in Cherem. I am wondering who has permitted them now seeing as we non-Chassidim don't make borders between them and ourselves.

A. I heard personally from Rav Moshe Heineman, Rav of Agudath Israel Baltimore and close talmid to Rav Ahron Kotler, that one summer a student asked Rav Ahron this question. Rav Ahron answered that "the whole reason the cherem was put out against the Chassidim was because they didn't learn Gemara, but nowadays (then in the late 1950's) some of them know how to learn better than us!"

My friend told me that after I eat I piece of bread I must say Birkat Amazon.

Who and when was this composed? What does Amazon have to do with a piece of bread? i.e., why make this blessing after eating the bread? Do Amazon Prime members have a special obligation / mitzvah to say this vs. non-prime members? Do they get more cash back or perks if they say this blessing

The Mishna in Shabbos, you are not allowed to use Nachum's fat for Shabbos candles, one may not light Shabbos candles with oil set for burning [consecrated oil that has become impure], nor with [the fat from] sheeps' tails!, nor with Nachum's fat! What's wrong with Nachum's fat?

We all know that not all the Jews made it out of Egypt. Four-fifths of them died during Makkas Choshech because they wanted to stay in Egypt, while the ones who wanted to leave were allowed to live. ולא נחום

And then we had Nachum. Nachum was in a class of his own -- he didn't care whether he was in Egypt or not (which was not sufficient to kill him during this plague). But his really big sin was his sale of tallow candles to the Egyptians during the Plague of Darkness. We are forbidden to use Nachum's candles for Shabbos because of the aid he provided to the enemy with those candles.

And We have no idea what Nachum puts in his fat, as he would always continue grabbing ingredients, saying, "let's add this too!" He was so well known for this that they even began calling him "Nachum Ish Gam Zu," Nachum the "this too" guy.

To say that the cherem was because they didn't learn gemara is stupid and comes from obvious ignorance as there were so many talmudei chachomim in the times of the gra that were chassidim so it doesn't make any sense that rav Aharon Kotler ever said that

“Although the House of Shammai and the House of Hillel disagreed, the House of Shammai did not, nevertheless, abstain from marrying women of the House of Hillel, nor did the House of Hillel refrain from marrying those of the House of Shammai. This is to show you that they showed love and friendship towards one another, thus putting into practice the scriptural text, “Love ye truth and peace”(Zechariah 8:16).” — Talmud Eruvin 13b

"Tzig, You just don't get it . There was no Bnai Tore community in the US until the late 1960's for Rav Aaron to lead. When he died there were at most 150 yungeleit in Lakewood. Perhaps half that amount in Monsey and VeSu lo.

The Yeshiva Basketball league consisting of Chaim Berlin, Tore VeDa'as. MTA, Flatbush, and HILI etc. played in a league that included at least 1 team with females - yes live girls- acting as cheerleaders !

Zeire Aguda Israel sponsored "mixed" activities. Exactly what "Bnai Tore" are you speaking of, the ones who went to College at night, or is the ones who dated real live girls ? Who ever heard of shadchanim in the non Chasidic world until the 1970's. Do you mean the yeshiva boys from RJJ or MTJ spending summer in the Rockaways on the beach ?"

Williamsburg is a densely populated area with many apartment buildings, many people didn't/don't have their own houses/space for private sukkahs. Instead, they use/d communal Sukkahs, or shared with others.

You went around inspecting all the Sukkahs, that you know that no one slept in one? והדברים עתיקים.

Hirshel,Your tone in this entry past nisht .Additionally, your assumption that the Brisker Rov would have married a couple (if he actually was the mesader kidushin in Brisk at all)that did not plan to keep taharas hamishpocho is probably wrong.There is a serious question in the poskim about marrying off such a couple, because of lifnei iver and mesayeha lidvar averira.The Rabbanut in Israel mandates that a the kallah take some kind of course in taharas hamishpocha to be married by them

"The Lubavitchers’ representation as the poster children of Hasidism in America and worldwide is a gross misrepresentation. Many other Hasidic groups shun Chabad as a separate, modernized entity – akin to the Modern Orthodox – and whose chumros (stringencies) are a lot more lax than the bona fide Hasidim. The media-savviness of Chabad and comfortable relationship with secularism exemplifies their worldliness – something the majority of Hasidim are decidedly not, as a consequence of their insularity."

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