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mojician: Notable Rangers tragedies: Nolan Ryan leaves Rangers with hurt feelings after being put in Jon Daniels' sandbox. Jurickson Profar out forever. Derek Holland out for 2014; 3. Yu Darvish and Matt Harrison injured in 2014 Ian Kinsler traded for "never missed a game" Prince Fielder to make room for the aforementioned Profar. As soon as Fielder is traded he has his neck fused. Kinsler is good in Detroit and says he hopes the Rangers lose every game. Shin Soo Choo out for the count. Houston Astros lose the nickname "Lastros" after only one season.1 hour 26 min ago

mojician: How about the Angels? Notable tragedies: AAA sensation Nick Adenhart killed by a drunk driver the night of his rookie debut. Coach falls over with a broken leg after trying to catch a ceremonial first pitch, and Josh Hamilton. What about the Stros? Their regional sports network went belly up, they lost their first round pick in 2014, and nearly lost the 2015 draft pick. The Orcs don't have personnel tragedies because the turnover approaches 100 percent from year to year. Orcs are fungible, like bales of hay. The Rangers really are snake bit.1 hour 35 min ago

OBF: I don't follow other orgs closely at all... do they all have their share of tragedy, or are the M's... uh.... special in that regard? Halman and Sanchez of course leap off the page, but even beyond that freak injuries to up and comers seem like regular occurrences(Snelling rounding the bases, the pitcher who got tore up in an odd self car accident, DTFT losing his career to a food allergy of all things[he should try whole30])... Like I said, could just be bias since I follow the M's closely, but it feels like we are snake bite...1 hour 56 min ago

MtGrizzly: MLB's 'streaming-tech' business unit is quickly becoming a major force in the OTT (over the top) market. HBO will be using the platform for their direct-to-consumer streaming service. Ditto Sony, ESPN and the World Wrestling Entertainment. Glenn Beck is already using it for his OTT network. MLB reportedly has a sales funnel of 40 more, including a number of traditional TV networks. Very strange to see MLB as a leading innovator in...anything really. But they have something figured out.4 hours 44 min ago

Spectator: Sanchez still in coma, but "small dose of good news"; better than bad news, I guess. http://m.mariners.mlb.com/news/article/110180578/mariners-receive-update-on-injured-prospect-sanchez7 hours 39 min ago

SABR Matt: Farquhar abandoning the 2-seamer is very good news. His cutter should be dialed back a bit as well...throw more up the ladder 4-seamers and more curves and change-ups and a few fewer cutters and you've got the makings of a closer.10 hours 2 min ago

SABR Matt: DaddyO - short form answer is that the Yankees spend more than any team in baseball by a wide....WIIIIIIIDDDDE margin for analytics and that they specifically looked for managers and coaches interested in analytics to inform decision-making...and I can guarantee you that their infrastructure for doing analytics work is second to none in organized sports.10 hours 3 min ago

DaddyO: Interesting article on MLB teams' increasing awareness of the impact of player fatigue over the course of a full season. http://www.wsj.com/articles/baseballs-fight-with-fatigue-142471056019 hours 10 min ago

lr: I get what you&#039;re saying about getting a sense of how someone moves, but I think anyone fielding a 6 hopper in drills is going to look pretty good. I&#039;d bet if we could find some spring training grounders video of Smoak, or Morrison, they might look a little different than they do taking live grounders in games. I&#039;m not saying Smoak is a good athlete, he&#039;s not. I&#039;m just saying using that specific video to declare Montero a vastly better athlete than most any other pro baseball player seems premature. Let&#039;s also not forget he played catcher for what, 5 or 6 years. He has to have some feel for how to react to a baseball coming at him. You&#039;d think that should help him in the hands department as well, at least in theory. My main doubts for Montero are in the reaction time/reflexes/quickness area, which combined with having good hands are probably the most important things for that position.23 hours 19 min ago

DaddyO: Matt, I'd be interested in your comment, if allowed, on what that site has to say about the Yankees.1 day 4 min ago

DaddyO: FYI, saw a link to this on another baseball site, thought I'd pass it on... The Great Analytics Rankings, categorizes and ranks MLB teams with regard to their commitment to saber analytics. ... http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings#1 day 5 min ago

SABR Matt: I think when you watch an infielder over any sort of grounder, even if it's a routine fungo, you get a sense for how they are relating to the ball. I believe Montero has vastly improved in this area, his body now gets to a point where the incoming energy of the ball is being softly absorbed...look where his chest, glove hand, and outer hip are as he fields it. That is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Smoak was kludgy at first base relative to the ball...he made up for it easily by having soft hands and being very skilled picking bad throws from other infielders...but Montero could be better now at positioning himself relative to the ball...I would need to see how he handles a tough play where he has to range some in order to be sure.1 day 5 hours ago

SABR Matt: LOL at Paxton falling over in agility drills...pitchers generally are not athletes.1 day 5 hours ago

DaddyO: OBF-- Yep. Nothing but puff pieces and meaningless drivel for another week or so, and even then the ST games don't mean anything. ST's who's hot and who's not will prove again like they do every year that stats put up against prospects who won't play and veterans who are just rounding into shape don't mean a thing. Still, at least there's baseball talk. And something to crowd out the joke that is the NBA.1 day 5 hours ago

OBF: Not sure about Seattle, but the Willamette Valley, down here in Oregon, is going through it's annual February Tease... Sunny, clear blue skies, 60 degrees... But the cold and drizzle will be back in a week, count on it and will stay until late April... This of course perfectly mirrors Picthers and Catchers report (and spring training in general).... SUCH A TEASE! Come on April hurry up!1 day 6 hours ago

benihana: Apparently yoga didn't help his agility. Paxton apparently fell in agility drills and jammed both wrists. Nothing serious but being held back a few days.1 day 6 hours ago

DaddyO: Agreed re: Smoak. If only his hitting had progressed, I have been very happy with him as a first baseman.1 day 7 hours ago

lr: Say what you will about Smoak, but I always thought he was a solid defensive first baseman. Pretty good hands, made all of the routine plays, even made his share of diving plays in the whole and down the line, so I&#039;m not sure where the comparisons to Smoak are coming from based on that clip. Could you clarify what you mean by body positioning for me?1 day 15 hours ago

SABR Matt: Agreed that it's a short vid and we need to see more, but what I saw of his footwork and especially his body positioning looked far better than Smoak ever would have fielding any grounder.2 days 10 hours ago

lr: I hear you DaddyO. My comment was in regards to the claims I saw that Montero was now a much improved athlete, and how his movement is light years better than before, which is why I was pointing out that basing those opinions on that particular clip is jumping the gun, considering we did see him in pretty good shape during those 2012/13 seasons when he was catching a lot. I think people forget what he looked like athletically because he got fat last year. Agreed though, I wasn&#039;t talking about his ability to play first being judged. My opinion of the video is that I still see hints of those plodding feet. He certainly is lighter, and presumably more agile than last year, but he doesn&#039;t look like a natural athlete to me, granted it&#039;s hard to draw any hard conclusions from that vid. I think hand eye coordination and quick reflexes/decision making are way more valuable than athleticism at first base, two areas where I think Montero isn&#039;t strong.3 days 2 hours ago

MtGrizzly: Divish has a good, albeit slightly 'ST fluff piece' ish, article on Montero. Good quotes from both he and his trainer. http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/jesus-montero-its-way-better-to-be-feeling-like-this-like-i-am-right-now/#comments3 days 5 hours ago

MtGrizzly: Yeah, I'm just kind of shocked by the physique. No real telling if it will translate to the field but I've never doubted his talent, just his desire to work hard. If the light bulb went on for Jesus on that front, maybe he will be something. At least for once, the annual 'best shape of my life' story appears to be true!3 days 6 hours ago

DaddyO: Right, lr. I don't think anybody was drawing conclusions about skills from the brief video, just noticing immediately the difference in the fluidity of his movements between this spring and last spring, and having an increased hopefulness because of it. In my book, that's perfectly legitimate. Hopefulness that he might be able to play first base acceptably < > an opinion that he can play first base acceptably.3 days 7 hours ago

lr: I read the comments first and I thought the video was going to be Montero making a bunch of nice plays at first. Instead I see a batting practice ground ball in which he gently gets into position to field it....and that&#039;s it. I get he&#039;s in great shape now, and that&#039;s encouraging, but basing his athleticism and improved movement on that 4 second clip is like watching Lebron shoot a free throw and drawing similar conclusions. We did all watch him behind the plate for a full season a few years ago, its not like the guy was Fat Albert back there. He did/does have some amount of athleticism in his body. He just can&#039;t run. I&#039;m much more curious to see if he can field sharp grounders down the line and pick short hops from short. Or if he can lay off the slider low and away...3 days 15 hours ago

Bat571: In Dutton's still you can see he's lost the gut but still has the guns - looks REALLY good! -- https://twitter.com/TNT_Mariners/status/568850666359123968/photo/14 days 1 hour ago

Bat571: On Montero - his shoulders and hips don't look locked together anymore - wonder what that will do for his swing? If he can close up enough to hit the outside pitch and then still turn (literally) on the inside one, might he be back to what JackZ thought he was getting, the guy that was a plus-hit-tool, plus-plus-power-tool fella? Wouldn't it be sumthin' if both he and Hultzen are back? They both probably gotta start at Tacoma, but, boy-o-boy, things are looking up! I've got less fear of Morrison going down now. Also, with the bending he shows in the vid, I wonder if he has also learned to lean while running - that "fat-boy' upright waddle wasn't getting him around very well. If he can now lean and push with his legs, I can see his speed being OK, given the power in his lower half - more like Adam Dunn than Jose Molina.4 days 1 hour ago

MtGrizzly: @GregJohnsMLB: No official word from #Mariners, but new locker being set up in clubhouse for Joe Saunders. Expecting he's agreed to Minor League deal.4 days 4 hours ago

DaddyO: Take it slow, Doc. No need for you to rush something out just to satisfy our insatiable desires to read stuff. Sorry you are in such pain.4 days 5 hours ago

jemanji: Thanks homies for the patience during my convalescence. If I can tap out a little weak shtick from bedside over the next few days, will try to do so. What do you get when you cross inanity with delirium? I dunno, but I like eeeeeet ...4 days 5 hours ago

jemanji: Sorry about your grandmother Matt. All comfort to you and your family. As to Victor Sanchez', of course. If there is interest in an essay on the problem of pain, I'm game (and rather well booked-up on it this week, LOL).4 days 5 hours ago

DaddyO: I am all for pace of play improvements that do not materially affect the game. But pick the low-hanging fruit first. The biggest offender are NEEDLESS delays between innings, during mound visits and pitching changes, during at bats when batters are simply dragging out an at bat by constantly stepping out of the batters box and doing so for a needlessly long time. But don't start with rules aimed at needless delays, not at delays that often are integral to the nature of situations in the game.4 days 5 hours ago

DaddyO: One of the new rules appears to be aimed at keeping managers in the dugout during reviews. I'm not sure exactly what this means, but the genesis of it was the delay imposed when managers go out to talk to an umpire, stalling while keeping an eye on their bench coach while someone connected with the team reviews the video to see if a challenge is warranted. I think any rule that "unreasonably" (quotes for emphasis) restricts the ability of a team to have a "reasonable" amount of time to decide whether or not to challenge a play is not worth the benefit it gives to the pace of play. I can see compromising on what is reasonable, but you lose a LOT of credibility if your challenge and replay system is short-circuited by your pace of play rules, especially on crucial plays. Can you imagine the outcry if a crucial, challengeable play comes up but the challenging team simply cannot lodge a challenge in time despite every reasonable effort to do so?4 days 5 hours ago

DaddyO: I am going to add one more concern about the rules announced today, and it has to do with replay reviews. First, I get it. The pace of games is a problem. I also get that replay reviews adversely affect the pace of a game. They literally and artificially interrupt the flow of a game, usually at an important or even critical moment. But they do this for a reason: to get umpiring calls right. And last season initial foray into expanded replay proved in my opinion to be a huge boon to baseball. (to be continued next shout)4 days 5 hours ago

DaddyO: I meant to add to the example I gave that your dugout was behind third base.4 days 6 hours ago

DaddyO: I like the emphasis on a soft initial approach, and the gathering of data for feedback to pitchers. One rule I don't like, and it seems to me that the problem of unintended consequences could come into play here, is the need for ALL hitters to be in the batters box within 2 minutes and 5 seconds (2:25 less 20) of the start of an inning break. This is fine for infielders and catchers, but if the first batter of an inning is an outfielder he's going to have to quick-pace it in from his position, grab a bat and step in the box in a very limited time frame, with little or no time to gather his thoughts for his at bat. Imagine if you just made a sensational diving catch near the fence in right center for the final out of an inning, or even ran into the wall. You might need to collect yourself for a bit before even starting back in. Hopefully the umpires are given SOME discretion on enforcement to allow for such extenuating circumstances.4 days 6 hours ago

SABR Matt: The "batter must keep one foot in the box" rule is new. The official book does not make stepping out and walking around illegal. I would say that the majority of these changes are to give umpires more instructions so that they can better use their discretion. With replay, for example, the league is now instructing umpires to give managers 20-30 seconds at most to challenge and to deny their challenge request if they take too long. The league is also giving umpires instructions to deny de facto time out requests (walking around between pitches) and the authority to force batters to get in the box and pitchers to finish their warm-ups in a timely fashion during commercial breaks.4 days 6 hours ago

OBF: What do you all think about the plan to speed up baseball? (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12351883/major-league-baseball-announce-pace-play-rules) Am I correct in thinking all this first step is, is enforcing the rules as written, or is there anything actually new in there?4 days 7 hours ago

MtGrizzly: M's reportedly interested in Joe Saunders if he's willing to go to the pen. Not sure how I feel about that. I guess it would probably add a few mph to his FB.4 days 9 hours ago

MtGrizzly: I went through the same in 2014, Matt. It's tough and my thoughts are with you.4 days 9 hours ago

Tacoma Rain: Sorry to hear that Matt... May God bless her and your family4 days 9 hours ago

SABR Matt: Turns out that my grandmother had a massive stroke in the middle of the night..20% of her brain is gone. Not gonna come back from that. :( Say a prayer for her and for our family.4 days 9 hours ago

SABR Matt: I actually would prefer to rest Cano and Seager against the toughest lefties and use Weeks in their place even though it punts defense a bit.4 days 9 hours ago

moethedog: I don't want Bloomquist at all. Nada. Just go with both Miller and Taylor and use them both. I also don't want weeks at 2B, btw. Let Miller get the starts there when Cano rests, ditto with Seager.4 days 10 hours ago

Bat571: Also, looking at Weeks' hitting numbers from last year - if Van Slyke can make him a passable LF, it's Bloomquist and Morrison that need to be looking over their shoulders - at Taylor/Miller and Montero. Weeks can hit. I'll bet it's more likely Cruz plays in the OF a bit more than planned in the early going while VS smooths out Weeks at each new stop. But if Bloomie is OPSing .620 and Weeks is OPSing .750, who do YOU want ?4 days 19 hours ago

Bat571: If you look at Montero's splits, his problems with RHP are more recent - maybe as he gained weight it was harder to see the RH motion AND get his lower half going. I'm going to be interested to see if his batting stroke truly is more fluid, and, if so, he regains the elite bat rep. If he starts turning on inside pitches from RH and can also lay off the sliders, he might yet be somebody ... on a contendah!4 days 19 hours ago

moethedog: Agree about LoMo's glass body. But he hits RHP decently. Montero has not really proven that he can above AA. His AAA vR #'s are somewhere just below .800. His best MLB year was in '12, he OPS'ed .609 vR that year. His career is .628 at the MLB level.
I hope the weight loss helps. But I'm not betting much right now that he suddenly learns to hit RHP. He does, by the way, rip lefties. There is value there. If he is a new man and bashes, then we will know soon enough.4 days 23 hours ago

SABR Matt: True that Lomo was highly touted...but he's proving to have a glass body and has never been particularly consistent at the plate whet. The two of them are a match...let the better player win5 days 11 min ago

mojician: Jurickson Profar, Kinsler's heir, high chieftan of Hypeland, and wielder of the shoulder that was broken and reforged is starting labrum surgery. LAAAAAA and the Strangers' seasons are starting off with a gut punch. Vot next?5 days 1 hour ago

mojician: LoMo was mentioned in the same breath as Stanton at SSI in 2012. http://seattlesportsinsider.com/posts/dont-fear-reaper G-Money said about this or that prospect purge "For LoMo or Stanton We'll talk". Mariner Analyst seconded.5 days 1 hour ago

SABR Matt: Just heard that my grandmother is on death's door. This week just keeps getting worse.5 days 2 hours ago

SABR Matt: Top prospect, rather...damn this lg pad has a bad keyboard5 days 2 hours ago

SABR Matt: Morrison is not s guy you hold up a top p rd odpect for. If Montero crushes st...he might well start at 1b5 days 2 hours ago

Spectator: what the ...? Weirdly named Ranger prospect Rougned Odor has a younger brother ALSO named Rougned Odor? And now he's signed with Rangers too. Oh-Kaaaaaaay. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/rougned-odor-s-younger-brother-rougned-odor-signs-with-rangers-182528281.html5 days 2 hours ago

Spectator: Since we're all getting carried away, how about a flashback to when Montero was in the same paragraph with Trout and Harper: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html5 days 2 hours ago

moethedog: If Montero rips in ST (and then in the stint he will inevitably get in Tacoma), the guy he makes it tough on is Weeks, I think. Weeks was brought on to be the RH 1B bat, with some OF appearances (maybe). We invested $2M in Weeks, he will head north with the team regardless if he hits a lick in ST. But if he struggles in April, and Montero doesn't, then a move might be made. Morrison is pretty tweaky, an early injury could see a Montero call up.5 days 2 hours ago

okdan: He seriously looks like a different person: http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2015/2/19/8071355/jesus-montero-has-lost-a-lot-of-weight5 days 3 hours ago

MtGrizzly: Those last year/this year photos of Montero by Divish are wild. The 40 lb weight loss thing was no joke. It would be fun to see him make life difficult for Lloyd by out hitting Morrison this spring.5 days 4 hours ago

Grumpy: Thanks for the link to the ARod article. Very interesting... though I have to say that something about the writing style really rubbed me the wrong way. I will be rooting for ARod this year (especially when he plays the As, Rangers, and Angles).5 days 4 hours ago

benihana: I mean, seriously: http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2015/2/19/8071225/jesus-montero-lost-a-whole-bunch-of-weight - I may have found a post hype sleeper bandwagon to hop onto. Jesus Montero you have my attention.5 days 5 hours ago

benihana: Oh man. I just got ridiculously excited for spring. And it's @ryandivish with a picture of the slimmed down Jesus Montero that does it? And with this little ditty I'm a swoonin' - "Pretty startling to see how well he moved and the ease of his swing at the lighter weight"5 days 5 hours ago

SABR Matt: That A-Rod article actually made me tear up in a couple of places...5 days 6 hours ago

Bat571: Larry Stone has a column up on Victor -- good read -- http://seattletimes.com/html/larrystone/2025729046_stone19xml.html5 days 13 hours ago

SABR Matt: I'm all for acquiring Hamels...use Happ to do it...the Phillies are familiar with him. Give them Happ, Peterson, and Guerrero, and if need be, Chris Taylor5 days 14 hours ago

Bat571: Replacing Happ with Hamels, at least by the FanGraphs/Steamer charts, would put the Ms rotation at 0.1 WAR behind the Nats' rotation as the best in the majors.5 days 20 hours ago

Bat571: Showcase Happ to the Padres (another team with a huge park) during ST to maybe give Taijuan and Elias a chance to share #5 before 'Kuma leaves next year, and let's prepare to face the Nats in the Series5 days 20 hours ago

Bat571: Cole Hamels wants to pitch for a contender and it won't be in Philly, eh? JackZ - make Amaro's week and offer D.J. (I think Kivlehan may be as good and is more versatile), Erasmo (rotation fill), Guerrero, Marte, and Marlette. Five for one, including four of the M's top 10 prospects by BP! Heck, offer Montero and Morban for Howard as well if they eat all but ~$5-7M/yr of his remaining salary. Instant rebuild of the Phillies' farm system and the M's get to have a 1-2 in the Pedro-Schilling, Unit-Schilling, Drysdale-Koufax class with 'Kuma and Paxton as well. Think any team would want to face that rotation in the playoffs? Run Howard thru waivers (would ANYONE pick up that contract?) and put him in Tacoma for when Morrison breaks. It wouldn't change much but 1B depth/future plans, but boy, what a rotation for the next few years!5 days 20 hours ago

Bat571: Latest update from lavinotinto.com is up within the last few minutes -- http://www.lavinotinto.com/victor-sanchez-pudiera-requerir-una-segunda-cirugia/ -- you can open in Chrome and translate if you need help in Spanish, but it says he's improving, maybe enough to allow transfer to a facility in Caracas. A team from there is coming to see him. A "scan" (CAT?) shows a reduction in inflammation, but the article also says more surgery may be required. Like Grumpy says, he has a *long* way to go - he still is unconscious - but we can take heart that he's fighting and the docs seem to be helping him.5 days 22 hours ago

Grumpy: He has a long long way to go. Moving extremities is basically the minimum of what you want to see at this point. Encouraging but not enough info to get optimistic yet.5 days 23 hours ago

Spectator: Hard to imagine wanting to go out into the path of line drives after a head injury, but as others pointed out the other day, Brandon McCarthy has done it and is still doing it rather well. Let's get him on his feet again first, I suppose. Great to hear things moving in the right direction.6 days 2 hours ago

mojician: Good news on Victor Sanchez. It is terrible when accidents happen to young people. Praying for good health for him.6 days 2 hours ago

Bat571: Scary, yes. But starting from "fighting for his very life", I'll take it. Having raised seven kids, none of whom had an incident like this, I look at what Victor's parents have been going through and marvel at my good fortune. But I'm sure their perspective right now is focusing on getting as much of him back as the injuries allow; mine sure would be. We should also, in praying for Victor, give thanks for our own blessings.6 days 2 hours ago

MtGrizzly: Still scary when that's the 'good' news, eh?6 days 3 hours ago

Bat571: Chris Harris, who was the Jackson Generals announcer/radio guy/PR guy, who now works for Biloxi, says the Biloxi manager is close friends with Victor's father, and he reports Victor moved his fingers as well. The Mariners_Minors twitter feed is trying to keep track. The moving the legs was apparently 2 days ago and the fingers yesterday, but the facts are he's improving. If I understand correctly, the regaining of the motor neurons means the swelling is abating and is a VERY good sign.6 days 3 hours ago

DaddyO: Hmm... "J.A". instead of "A.J." Just doesn't have the same ring to it. The cadence of "J.A." makes him sound like some Civil War general. "A.J." makes him sound like a good ol' boy. Tough break for the guy. Perhaps there's some name-related psychological handicap that's behind his career struggles. Why stop at mangling his name, when I can mangle his persona as well?!1 week 9 hours ago

DaddyO: I can imagine all sorts of useful name puns for A.J. (Blank) Happ-ens. Wha' Happ-ened? It was just Happ 'n' stance. If A.J. ain't Happ-y, ain't NObody Happ-y. Just a few off the top of my head. I bet he's already heard 'em all.1 week 9 hours ago

SABR Matt: No moe - I was saying that if his problem is getting the curve and change-up down, then he'll do well in Seattle even if that continues. Seattle kills fly balls and turns line drives into flies and hard grounders into routine grounders. All of which means that the actual results, when he leaves one of those off-speed pitches up, will not be as bad as they were in Toronto...and that this will disproportionately improve him relative to other pitchers.1 week 9 hours ago

moethedog: There is an "if" there Matt. "If" he can get the change and curve down. But I wonder why he hasn't been able to do so to this point? He's had pretty good MLB coaching for a long time, after all. His 2nd half was pretty nice last year....but he's got a career 2.0 K/W so I'm not assuming that his 2nd half 3.83 is very sustainable.1 week 10 hours ago

SABR Matt: It looks like the thing separating 2014 2H Happ from Hamels is that he is having trouble getting his change-up and curveball down in the zone to right handers. If that is his big weakness...I think even more strongly that he is going to be fantastic in Seattle...1 week 11 hours ago

SABR Matt: Happ was considered atop prospect in his youth for the reasons outlined in that comparison. It takes some guys longer to gel, and I'm not saying he's gelled THAT well, but its not impossible to imagine him suddenly turning into an all star with his stuff1 week 14 hours ago

Bat571: For those interested, a useful intro is at --- http://www.healthpages.org/brain-injury/1 week 18 hours ago

Bat571: The latest news I can find on Victor via lavinotinto.com indicates he was hit by a boat's prop - so a more concentrated, but hopefully more localized blow. The team doctor for the Tiburones of the VWL says his condition is 7 on a scale of 3 to 15 - comatose, but not deteriorating. Hope and pray.1 week 18 hours ago

Gordon Gross: So they're cutting parts of his skull open so his brain doesn't crush itself, and draining blood from around it. Brandon McCarthy made it back from a similar issue, but figuring right now I'm not worried about whether he'll ever pitch again. I just want the kid to live and have a full, healthy life. So sad.1 week 23 hours ago

MtGrizzly: From the Divish article:
"The right-hander underwent a surgery in the skull on Saturday afternoon by Dr. Rolando Cobis and was in intensive care at night until Sunday at the Polyclinic Campano, said a source from the medical center.
“He’s in critical condition,” said Dr. Cobis in a telephone contact. “He was made a craniectomy and drainage of hematomas.Until now is critical but stable within its box. He is still fighting for his life. There vital danger to him. ”1 week 1 day ago

Bat571: More updates at TNT and elsewhere. Now upgraded to serious/stable after surgery to relieve a double skull fracture. He was apparently unconscious for some time. Sounds like all our prayers are needed for him and his family.1 week 2 days ago

Bat571: Updates say he's in intensive care, critical, but stable. Venezuela, with Cuba's help, has had a pretty good medical reputation. Let's hope and pray he's getting good care.1 week 2 days ago

Gordon Gross: Shannon Drayer says it happened. The club has confirmed it. "Scary news to pass on as there are reports out of Venezuela that Mariners pitching prospect Victor Sanchez has been hospitalized after suffering a head injury when hit by a boat while swimming. The club has confirmed there was an accident but they have not given an update on Sanchez's condition."1 week 2 days ago

Bat571: Dutton reporting *unconfirmed* reports that Victor Sanchez suffered head injury(ies) when struck by a boat while swimming at home in Venezuela. Say a prayer.1 week 2 days ago

SABR Matt: My issue is that Twitter is impossible for me to follow...i log into my page and there's a new tweet every 0.2 seconds or so...how can i keep you with that?1 week 2 days ago

DaddyO: That's an interesting point, Diderot. I don't do Twitter...at all. To me it's too much "short attention span" oriented. So perhaps my view of his activity is more a product of my habits than his activity. That's the kind of thing I meant by "circumstances hidden to me." In this case they are not so much hidden, as I am not looking.1 week 2 days ago

DaddyO: Thanks TR, it's good to know I have company in this opinion. Makes me think perhaps I am not completely out on a limb here. Re: Divish, the thing I need to bear in mind is that there is always the chance that there are circumstances hidden to me (or to fans in general) that might account for what I see, circumstances that if known to me might make me more sympathetic.1 week 3 days ago

Tacoma Rain: I completely agree DaddyO... plus the Times site with it's pop up ads have locked up my computer more than once.1 week 3 days ago

diderot: Divish spends a tremendous amount of time and energy on Twitter...and perhaps other social media, as well. i&#039;m sure this is as instructed.
He may be &#039;holding out&#039; in the sense that he seems to have no need to print articles (or actually, the same article over and over again) in attempts to become the story...as did you-know-who.
I think both Dovish and Dutton are excellent additions to the body of coverage.1 week 3 days ago

DaddyO: Ryan (Divish), if by any chance you're reading this, it's nothing personal, though it may sound that way. I'm sure to your mind you are working hard and doing a bangup job in a tough business. All I can do is be honest about my impressions, which are just the musings of one M's fan.1 week 3 days ago

DaddyO: Maybe I can put it this way. I found Divish a terrific second opinion when he was at TNT. Now that's Bob Dutton, who I think is doing a good job in that role. But at this point I'd rather read Dutton than Divish. I hope that changes this year.1 week 3 days ago

DaddyO: Griz, my disappointment with Divish has not so much to do with caution and much to do with a lack of output and a lack of being on top of things time-wise. Since he came on board I've found other sources have been "first and best" way more often, that his pieces have often lacked any special insight, almost as if he's mailing it in. I hope I'm wrong, because I really don't know. I just don't yet see what he is bringing to the table. Finnegan was a company shill, but he was on top of things and did produce material with sufficient frequency. Baker was top-notch but many (not me) found him an off-putting axe-grinder. What Divish is, at least at the Times, I don't yet know. My first impression is what I said, mailing it in.1 week 3 days ago

Bat571: The M's hardly need another starter unless somebody or two get owies, but Hamels would be hard to pass on if a package like that would interest Philly.1 week 3 days ago

Bat571: Beni - how about Ramirez, Medina, Guerrero, Sanchez and Marte for Hamels? or save Medina and go for Cliff Lee? Dreaming?.... I'm still convinced the puff for Guerrero and Marte is to up their trade value. But a trade that adds so much ready/almost-ready talent to Philly's farm system might be hard for Amaro/Gillick to pass up.1 week 3 days ago

MtGrizzly: Baker was always looking for the next job - the one he really wanted. And eventually he got it. Divish has the job he wants. I don't blame him for being cautious his first year. He was more provocative and wrote with more humor when at the News Tribune. He'll loosen up.1 week 3 days ago

benihana: It seems to me that the M's will need to make some moves before the start of the season. There is just too much depth between AAA and the MLB roster, and too few players with options. For instance we lose Erasmo for nothing if he doesn't make the team. Does the Miller / Taylor loser really spend the year on the bench or in AAA? I think the M's have pretty much exhausted their search for outfielders what with Cruz, Ruggiano, Smith and Weeks added to the mix So, who's left? Who would be a major upgrade worth spending big talent/$ on? If he shows healthy in spring training would you trade Ramirez, Marte, Medina for Prince Fielder at 6/$75....?1 week 3 days ago

GLS: Divish seems like a great guy, but I don't feel like he brings all that much.1 week 3 days ago

Tacoma Rain: Beni... There is almost too much depth in Tacoma. You forgot about Jones, Chavez, Morban and Blash in the OF, O'Malley and Riverio in the infield. Thus, I doubt Kivlehan or Lara are in Tacoma, and those two both out hit Petersen in AA... so Petersen may not be there either.1 week 3 days ago

SABR Matt: I had to laugh at a friend of mine who was eyeing about the mariner offense's lack of aaa depth...i told him he should check out the aaa roster again1 week 4 days ago

DaddyO: I just double-checked how I missed that Divish had posted a Times piece today, since I can see category pages and article headings, just not the articles themselves, and I notice that the article headings on the Mariners and MLB News page indicate the title but not the author. A curious practice. Perhaps they want the brand identity to be with the news source and not the author. Or maybe I'm overthinking it.1 week 4 days ago

DaddyO: Ah, thanks for the clarification, mojician. I've seen such infrequent articles from Divish since he went to the Times (compared to that of their previous Mariners beat writers) that it contributed (along with budget constraints) to me cancelling my online Times subscription. I had really liked his work at TNT, but not so much at the Times. Again, thanks for the heads up.1 week 4 days ago

mojician: The other McClatchy newspapers in Washington state are the Bellingham Herald, the Olympian, and the Tri City Herald.1 week 4 days ago

mojician: Divish still works for the Seattle Times, or at least he posted stuff to a Seattle Times blog two hours ago. There is some sort of reciprocity agreement where the TNT can use Seattle Times articles from time to time. This is probably because The News Tribune is owned by McClatchy, and the Seattle Times is owned as follows: 49.5 percent of the voting stock is owned by McClatchy, and 70 percent of the non-voting stock is owned by McClatchy. At any rate, the two newspapers are closer than kissing cousins .1 week 4 days ago

MtGrizzly: Divish has an article in the Times today, DaddyO1 week 4 days ago

DaddyO: Apparently Ryan Divish is no longer with the Seattle Times and is back at the Tacoma News Tribune. He has article up about the Mariners' hopes for Weeks as a utility man. http://www.thenewstribune.com/2015/02/12/3636651/mariners-hope-rickie-weeks-can.html1 week 4 days ago

DaddyO: Got so caught up in what I was saying I forgot to include this link: http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/2/11/8016183/john-schneider-talks-to-brock-and-salk-recapping-what-was-discussed1 week 4 days ago

DaddyO: I know most of you read Field Gulls, but I want to underscore an article (link to follow) that shows how terrific a GM John Schneider is. Not because of his moves, or his success, but because of his approach, his mindset, and his process. There will always be bumps in the road, and there will always be externally imposed limitations, but you can count on him vigorously and doggedly pursuing excellence. That's a sports franchise that's an honor to support as a fan.1 week 4 days ago

SABR Matt: Weeks is a little bit like Ty Wigginton. That has a lot of value.1 week 4 days ago

OBF: And cheaper than Willie to boot! :) Time to find a coaching position for Willie...1 week 4 days ago

benihana: Weeks has to have better than Ackley speed. 18 SB per 162 career (double Ackley's). No reason to think he can't also make the transition to part time outfielder. And there is no way he signed here to back-up Cano. Zip, zero, zilch. He'll get a chance to play all over the diamond. He's a huge upgrade from Willie B. Love it.1 week 4 days ago

SABR Matt: Clearly, Weeks has figured out that he has no choice but to play other positions or he wouldn't have signed with a team that has Cano. :) Not an issue. I think he'll get a lot of at-bats as the DH and as the 1B.1 week 4 days ago

Spectator: When you have a durable Hall of Famer at 2b, a surplus of young middle infielders who can play 2b, a veteran utility guy whose best position is 2b, and even a left fielder who used to play 2b ... it would be a bizarre thing indeed to sign someone who REFUSES to play any position but 2b. Guess we'll see what Jack says when they announce it.1 week 4 days ago

DaddyO: I gotta believe Jack got Weeks to agree to expand his positional repertoire before signing him. The curious thing about the Fangraphs article is that Weeks refused to play the outfield despite getting little playing time at second base. Basically, it appears he said, second base or the bench for me.1 week 4 days ago

moethedog: Agreed Rick. Weeks is a professional weirdo. He has played ZERO inning, MLB or MiLB, at any inning other than 2B. Fielding grounders at 1B and recieving trows from Seager at 3B is a lot difference than chasing flies in LF. It is much more likely that he gets 1B innings or DH's vL (with Cruz going to RF and Rugi going to left) than it is that he gets many LF innings.1 week 4 days ago

rick82: Well, if he don't want to play the OF, I'll bet Romero wouldn't mind doing it - along with second, maybe first, even third.1 week 4 days ago

DaddyO: Interesting. Last May FanGraphs made mention that Rickie Weeks refused to play the outfield (May 19, 2014, http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/we-should-probably-talk-about-rickie-weeks/ )1 week 4 days ago

Cool Papa Bell: Signing Weeks means that the team will be going with 7 relievers which is a good thing. Also, as far as who is the backup third baseman that can be Brad Miller.1 week 4 days ago

mojician: With Weeks/Lomo or Weeks/Ackley and Smith/Ruggiano and Miller/Taylor, it appears the Mariners now have three full time platoons. The 2015 Mariners look like the team that the Oakland Orcs would have if they weren't broke. I'm not sure that winning a lot justifies the use of Orc tactics. Once you go down that road it may be hard to find your way back.1 week 5 days ago

mojician: Also, Lonnie, you don't want to bury Taijuan Walker too far down on the depth chart, as he might revoke his agreement not to kill any Mariners personnel with a baseball. The problem with a full Tacoma pitching rotation, is that it means that sometimes someone is in front of Walker. Its the same problem as that time they named a street after him in Yucaipa: no one crosses Taijuan Walker and lives. I'm already worried about Danny Hultzen.1 week 5 days ago

DaddyO: But yeah, at that point you just figure this wasn't your season. Perhaps, Lonnie, your looking forward, with a concern over the next few seasons that our MiLB rotation depth is about tapped out?1 week 5 days ago

DaddyO: Re: The lack of rotation depth available for call up in the near term, that would be a big concern if we sustained a rash of injuries, right? We have Felix, Iwakuma, Paxton, Happ, Elias, Walker, and Ramirez, that seven. You can perhaps add Wilhelmsen to the mix in a pinch for a couple of starts. And you might hope that Hultzen could contribute if need be later in the year. It sorta makes you glad that Jack resisted the temptation to trade either Paxton or Walker, even Elias.1 week 5 days ago

SABR Matt: Lonnie...whatchoo talking bout? We have ahotvprosoect who isn't going to make the roster and at least one other emergency option available. That's fine1 week 5 days ago

DaddyO: Yeah, it would be an outstanding bench add if it turns out Weeks can adapt relatively quickly to multiple infield positions. Meanwhile, I suppose if an emergency ever comes up at third Lonnie could upstage Miller. After all, how many forums has Miller managed?1 week 5 days ago

Lonnie of MC: I am very surprised to see that there isn't any chatter about the biggest concern with the Mariners: depth of the starting pitching between MLB and AAA.1 week 5 days ago

moethedog: I actually wondered about Weeks this week. I'm surprised but not dumbfounded. The guy has an .834 career OPS vL. He's never played a MLB inning in the field other than at 2B. Wanna bet he gets a 1B glove pretty quickly?1 week 5 days ago

Lonnie of MC: It has been a while since I last played at the hot corner, but if needed....1 week 5 days ago

DaddyO: I would assume that if Seager got hurt Miller would be pressed into third base duty, at least on a short term basis.1 week 5 days ago

SABR Matt: I think Weeks will sub out for Morrison, Ackley and Seager at random. That is an area of some concern for me...who is Seager's back-up?1 week 5 days ago

benihana: Weeks at $2m can be moved pretty easily to the first team that has an infield injury. Seems like a super low risk maneuver to balance out our line-up nicely vs. Lefties. Jackson, Weeks, Cano, Cruz, Seager, Ruggiano, Morrison, Zunino, Taylor. I like the balance with Sucre, Miller, Ackley, Smith on the bench in that scenario. Think Bloomquist goes the buyout/coaching role in 2015. Jones, Montero, et al, to AAA.1 week 5 days ago

SABR Matt: In that context, Olivera is the gamble play and Weeks is the safe play. Z seems to have rammed the handle on the gamble-tronic all the way over to "high stop loss". And that is understandable and acceptable to me. Weeks is an OK choice as primary back-up to Morrison and Ackley and insurance for Cano's off-days. I'm assuming that this means our bench is Ruggiano, Weeks, Sucre and Miller or Taylor or Bloomquist or Marte1 week 5 days ago

diderot: Matt: would you agree that Weeks is currently an MLB second baseman in the same way that Olivera is an MLB second baseman--in the sense that neither one really is?
Looking at them as alternatives to LoMo makes a lot more sense to me.
In any case--Weeks vs. Olivera in that role--what do we think? (aside from obvious difference in investment)1 week 5 days ago

DaddyO: Spec, I admit it. I called Jack earlier this week and lit a fire under him to DO something newsworthy and make February less boring. I had in mind something like announcing every third seat in Safeco would be painted chartreuse, but it appears he took me seriously...which is often a big mistake.1 week 5 days ago

SABR Matt: The problem is...he costs 2 million, so his roster spot is assured...and all of our bench configurations made it clear that there was not even room for Bloomquist. So, I'm uncertain how we're going to fit Weeks onto the roster.1 week 5 days ago

rick82: Weeks looks like a Willie B with power. Can he play other positions? Probably. Lesser athletes have moved around the diamond. Z should know something about his aptitude and work ethic in that regard.1 week 5 days ago

Spectator: A development! There's something for you, DaddyO. Yes, it would seem Weeks displaces Willie B, who has been injured anyway (though supposedly on track to be ready for 2015), but I'm not so sure. It's hard to know how much versatility Weeks has since he's only played 2b, but Z obviously is very familiar with what he brings. I could see them keeping Weeks, Bloomie and Rugs as a RH platoon B-team (replacing Smith, Ack and LoMo as necessary) and sending the Taylor-Miller loser to AAA. They may not like Miller as a bench guy since he's another lefty and because they want him to play every day, and Weeks could fill that role with a RH bat. Rugs seems safe since he's the only backup CF.1 week 5 days ago

merks: M 's to sign Rickie Weeks for two million. Brewers connection. What does this mean for Willie Ballgame.1 week 5 days ago

Spectator: Interestingly, I've done research on the phenomenon of people holding more dear what they already possess than what they never had, but I hadn't seen it called the "endowment effect" before. You never know what you'll learn from baseball.1 week 6 days ago

SABR Matt: Correct...we can get good players down there...but there's zero chance we'll know who they are until they are made...and slim chance we'll know whether they are good choices until 2 years later. So why even talk about the draft. :)2 weeks 4 hours ago

DaddyO: I don't think Matt is saying the picks aren't important, just that it is practically impossible to meaningfully speculate as to who they might be.2 weeks 6 hours ago

Spectator: I call the guys in the MLB draft from about 10-15 to about 100 "mid-majors" because the equivalent of Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and Louisville are off the board. Find your Gonzaga and your Butler in there somewhere. Jack & Mac have a pretty amazing track record in that regard.2 weeks 7 hours ago

SABR Matt: Basically, that means we have no reason to even care about the draft possibilities because there is no way to predict who McNamara will rarget that far down2 weeks 9 hours ago

Spectator: So dead Daddyo that no one's even using the shoutbox. Well here's some news: with the final signing of a player with a qualifying offer, the 2015 draft order is now set. Due to signing Nelson Cruz the M's have no 1st round pick & won't pick until No. 60. Pretty much a crap shoot there, though last time we lacked a true 1st round pick we ended up with Taijuan.2 weeks 20 hours ago

DaddyO: February. The deadest sports month. Since Sonics left, Pro basketball means nothing to me. UW hasn't had a significant men's BB team in years, so the NCAA's don't interest me. The three hardest parts of late winter are when pitchers and catchers report...but there's nothing really going on, and the full squad report date...but there's still nothing really going on, and the start of spring training games...but there's STILL nothing really going on until the Spring Equinox..2 weeks 2 days ago

mojician: Captain America is the king of strategy, but I thought that might be Kuma.2 weeks 3 days ago

SABR Matt: Paxton is clearly thor. Felix is more like a matter of deception...who would qualify Asia that on the avengers?2 weeks 3 days ago

mojician: Also, Felix is like Thor because he has long absences in other dimensions, and only appears every fifth episode or so, but when he does show up he takes over. Of course, you could say that Paxton is Thor, because his trademark is an unstoppable hammer that he smashes guys with.2 weeks 3 days ago

mojician: There is a strong case to be made for Wilhelmson as Hulk. He's the strongest Avenger but he doesn't deal well with everyday pressure, and they don't call him into battle except for the most serious jams. This is probably because the plot would be broken if he were used all the time. Also, Wilhelmson is a nice guy, but you wouldn't like him when he's angry. Plus, he doesn't believe in elaborate pitch sequence strategy. He only knows SMASH.2 weeks 3 days ago

mojician: I think Felix should be Thor because his changeup seems to warp space time like one of Thor's Asgaardian artifacts. Not Avengers, but I think Medina should be Superman. This is because the battles are a lot closer of a call than you would guess by looking at his scouting report. Joe Beimel would be Batman, as he packs a lot of swagger for only having a grappling hook and a right cross.2 weeks 4 days ago

jemanji: Avengers … Farquhar is more muscle than brain, so Hulk maybe?, though he doesn't physically look it, it's probably the Hulk who'd run his peripherals. Furbush as that guy who fires arrows from rooftops? Sort of an assassin-sling guy who stands out there rather detached from retribution, hard to see from where you stand, and whose pitches are rather pointy and stingy as they come in. Bullpen Taijuan as Thor? Leone as Black Widow, a character of reasonable effectiveness you don't see coming? :: shrug :: y' got me. No idea :- ) Mojo could take this stuff into hyperspace ...2 weeks 4 days ago

jemanji: Matt, we pray that your career (and Gordon's, and Jonez') will be blessed up to and including NYT bestseller list. Go get 'em bro'. … Gordon, if and when SSI hits your priority / spare time bar we'll be looking' forward to it. Here's to your return from the netherworld. :: daps ::2 weeks 4 days ago

SABR Matt: I just completed the second novella-length story going into my first ever self-published novel...throwing myself into the writing junket full time and feeling quite inspired...wish me luck!2 weeks 4 days ago

Gordon Gross: Update from beyond: remember when I said my hours were coming back down and I would be posting a lot more. Yeah... moved to a different department thanks to someone quitting abruptly, so my hours are back up to 65+ a week. That said, we've convinced them to hire another person so I'm still trying to get down to Spring Training next month, and my work schedule should be lightening the load in a couple weeks. Fingers crossed. Pitchers and catchers report soon!2 weeks 4 days ago

SABR Matt: Help me out here, guys - I'm not a Marvel expert, but I want to take Doc up on his challenge to match Mariner relievers to their best-fit Avengers. I already placed Rodney as Hawkeye (shoot that arrow into the sky), Wilhelmson as Iron Man (off-color lifestyle as the bartender, self-made comeback story), and Dominic Leone as Captain America (kind of a golden boy - unassuming figure, but a ton of unexpected power). what else you folks got?2 weeks 4 days ago

SABR Matt: I see Olivera as a HUGE piece for us...if we get him...he replaces Zobrist as the guy who play around the diamond...i want that2 weeks 5 days ago

jemanji: Baseball America comes out with its Handbook and Dr. D scanned the list to see if there were any major tweaks he'd make. None jumped out until he hit the #30 slot.2 weeks 5 days ago

Spectator: BA ranked Ibanez as the No. 6 Cuban player and Olivera as the No. 8. Olivera is 6-2, 220 and has "above-average power" -- http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/hector-olivera-showcase-report/ Ibanez is 5-10, 183 and is a "promising young hitter" -- http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/dont-sleep-andy-ibanez-next-cuban-bonus-pool-buster/2 weeks 5 days ago

Spectator: Baseball America via MLBTR ... both Jack Z AND Kevin Mather fly to Dominican to watch Cubans Hector Olivera and Andy Ibanez work out. Both primarily play second. Olivera is 29 and could play third or corner OF (per BA). Ibanez is 21 and BA sez he's likely to fit best at 2b. So they wonder why Mather and Z are there after signing Cano and Seager to long-term deals. Gotta wonder if they had other business there. http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/mariners-president-gm-scout-hector-olivera-andy-ibanez/2 weeks 5 days ago

GLS: Is it the third world poor you're concerned about? What to do about third world development in the era of climate change is a sinkhole of muddy, unclear policy prescriptions. The problems in those countries are often a mixture of social/political and economic and adding increased resource scarcity to the mix is like adding gasoline to a fire. As an example, there's a strong case to be made that the problems in Syria started because of drought.2 weeks 5 days ago

SABR Matt: Doc - it's alright. Terry was just trying to tick me off and I said everything I needed to say in reply. :) If y'all want to have a larger discussion about Catholicism, I'd be happy to chime in, but I don't feel a particular need to start said discussion. :)2 weeks 5 days ago

SABR Matt: I am not a partisan for any particular blog, GLS and not a member of any choir. I ran across it on my facebook wall. :) But I would say that the inescapable conclusion you have to draw in the subtext is that this professor views our evolution in thinking ability as some sort of tragic flaw - that he would say, if you asked him, that it is a bad thing that we are "overthinking" climate change. I would counter by saying it is a tragic flaw in man that we look for authority to which to accede our thought...that we prefer NOT to think, and that it is only when we actually are thinking a problem through fully that we come to the right conclusions and take the best actions. Meaning he has it completely backwards. And no, I'm not looking for things to get offended at...I'm offended because he's wrong in a way that could be seriously damaging to the poor.2 weeks 5 days ago

jemanji: Let's move the discussion on Catholicism to its own dedicated post/comments thread, amigos. The Shout Box is generally for lighter, more pleasant (98% baseball) reading. Stuff that appeals to all or most readers, chat to enjoy with a cupp'a. SABRMatt can open such a thread if he likes, or if any others are so inclined, let me know and I'll open it. Thanks for the ideas. Slow news week, wasn't it :- )2 weeks 5 days ago

GLS: I read the article again and I didn't see where he said humans were inferior to mice. He's making an observation that mice react more quickly than humans to certain stimuli, but he also says that humans are more evolved. While the article isn't especially insightful or enlightening and his comment about poor people having more of an ability to adapt is kind of dumb, I'm not sure why this rises to the level of being offensive unless you're just looking around for things to be offended by. The blog you cited is all about finding these sorts of articles, pointing out their flaws, and putting them in front of the choir. But I don't think the article itself is especially noteworthy. Actually, both the blog and the article it cites are preaching to their respective choirs.2 weeks 5 days ago

okdan: Victor Martinez tore a meniscus in his left knee today: http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12284767/victor-martinez-detroit-tigers-torn-medial-meniscus2 weeks 5 days ago

SABR Matt: BTW, the accusation that Americans are somehow unique in their tendency to be cafeteria Catholics is wildly inaccurate. Recent immigrants (legal or otherwise) have been polled on their positions on social issues, for example. Although some 75% of recent immigrants to the US in the states that border Mexico profess Catholicism, a solid 70%, when polled, favor unrestricted abortion access. I think the Church would have a thing or two to say on THAT topic. Still another 65% favor government funded contraception - the church still opposes the use of contraception even for married couples (and reams of excellent scholarly work by various recent Popes exists on the subject). The problem of cafeteria Catholicism is GLOBAL, I assure you.2 weeks 5 days ago

SABR Matt: Grizz...I sincerely hope you are not suggesting that I am being a cafeteria Catholic. If so, that is the worst insult you could offer me.2 weeks 5 days ago

SABR Matt: GLS...I question your judgment. Sorry...I just do. He describes us as inferior to mice regarding disaster because we think...his prescription seems to be "be more like mice...stop thinking" - and his views on the poor are so completely wrong that they are offensive.2 weeks 5 days ago

SABR Matt: And no, terry...I don't have a list of topics. I have the basic guidelines taught at catechism - if it has to do with the immortal soul or the teachings of Christ directly...it's papal authority all the way and we do our best to follow his lead. If it's a civic issue, he can only suggest and provide guidance...he cannot speak with absolute authority.2 weeks 5 days ago

SABR Matt: moe - that's an incorrect interpretation, from what I've been taught in catechism classes. The Pope has full and supreme authority to speak to any issue which may relate to the immortal souls of church members or to the health of the church. He does not (and has never had) the authority to speak on issues outside of the purview of the church. For this reason, for example, the Pope is not allowed to choose sides in political elections. He cannot say that Catholics must support Democrats or Republicans. He cannot say that Catholics must back Chavez or Guevara or must absolutely repudiate any political ideology unless it directly clashes with the Church (Communism in Russia did this by attacking Christianity directly and robbing humanity of its' divinely-given dignity). And for the same reason, the Pope has no position to comment with binding authority on whether or not the science is settled regarding climate change.2 weeks 5 days ago

Spectator: We will work with Ben to get a shoutbox with links. In the meantime, here's Sports Illustrated's Mariners winter report card: B+ http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/02/03/winter-report-card-seattle-mariners2 weeks 5 days ago

Spectator: Bat ... wasn't sure if you got my email but your answer must have gotten lost in spam. Sorry bout that. We are on board, then, for a "Future Mariners" page on DOV2 with Doc's blessing too. New home of the Spec66, plus ongoing coverage from Bat. Hope we can rope in Gordon once in awhile. Anyone else who wants to sign on to assist with the effort is welcome.2 weeks 5 days ago

DaddyO: I am not a Catholic, but history shows that church leaders misstep when in their zeal to apply the faith they attempt to stamp religious authority on pursuits that exceed their true calling and expertise.2 weeks 5 days ago

MtGrizzly: Ha. My mom reefs to this a "cafeteria Catholicicsm". American Catholics tend to treat their religion like a cafeteria lunch line. They go down the line and pick and choose which aspects they like and consume them. They skip those aspects they don't like entirely. (And yes, she is devout Catholic while I am not.)2 weeks 5 days ago

Grumpy: Well at least the pope is scientifically train. He's a chemist. He may not be an expert in climate science. However based on his motivations and obvious intellectual capacity and his training in the scientific method, I'm definitely more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt compared to most of the untrained unscientific people that attend Davos for example.2 weeks 5 days ago

GLS: I don't see anything wrong with the Professor's article. He's talking about the need for humans to adapt to what's coming. I didn't see anywhere that he said humans should stop thinking and do as they're told.2 weeks 5 days ago

moethedog: phx, I am not a Catholic (I consider myself Episcopal, as I grew up in that church, Henry VIII would be proud), but I would tend to believe that the Pope has authority to speak on whatever issue he wishes. ".Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church that the pope, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ and as pastor of the entire Christian Church, has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered, that, in brief, "the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.." (Catechism of the Catholic Church) Care of souls is a big area. Clearly, advice on worldly issues may fall into that area. Whether you or I pay attention to such advice is another question, entirely.2 weeks 5 days ago

TheSwede: Yoan Moncada anyone? One third of the clubs in the MLB are mentioned as chasing him. M&#039;s are not. It&#039;s a big investment for sure, but this is a guy that could be the franchise for the upcoming fifteen years. He could also be, nothing basically. But he is well scouted.2 weeks 5 days ago

phxterry: Matt - Interesting point you make that: "the Pope has no authority to speak to whether (global warming threatens creation)" . Why is His authority restricted from speaking on this particular subject? Is there an objective list somewhere that I could access that lists what matters the Pope has authority to speak on and which matters He doesn't?2 weeks 5 days ago

Bat571: Spec, as we discussed, I'm up for a daily summary of mariners' minors happenings starting about mid-ST. I intend to use maqman's Mariner's Morsels for NASORB as a general style guide, but keep it to prospect stuff. Too bad you can't get Jay Yencich or Rick Randall, but I'll do my best!2 weeks 5 days ago

SABR Matt: Wow...so many dumb autocorrects there...we not www, to not tool, no not non, speak not spiral2 weeks 5 days ago

SABR Matt: Bottom line...what the pope will say is that IF global warming threatens creation, www are obligated to fight it. I don't believe it does and the pope had non authority tool spiral to whether it does...ergo, i am not required to fight it2 weeks 5 days ago

rick82: The very first pope has already spoken on global warming, and is encyclical was so darned dogmatic they put it in the Bible: Second Peter: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.2 weeks 6 days ago

Spectator: Bat ... would you be interested in helping put together a minors/prospect page for the new DOV2? I'm doing a new Spec66, but don't envision being able to do daily coverage. There's interest, but someone else would need to take the lead. Just wondering.2 weeks 6 days ago

Bat571: Bat571 is out here and will be back ~1900 MT.2 weeks 6 days ago

SABR Matt: Pope Francis will issue an environmental encyclical. You'll have to pardon this Catholic scientist if he doesn't take the word of Francis on a question of science. I respect the authority of the pope on spiritual matters. I agree with the expected position that a good Catholic must care for creation. But an encyclical on the environment that purports to understand the science of climate change...that i will not be accepting without question.2 weeks 6 days ago

mojician: Matt: I've seen the rich vs. poor adaption to climate change play out in real life: A college buddy was at grad school at Tulane U. during Hurricane Katrina. He recognized New Orleans as a death trap and literally headed to the hills (Tennessee) as soon as he saw the storm coming, as did all of his compatriots. He watched the hurricane on TV, poor people watched it from their roofs. Poor people take the brunt of just about everything bad that happens, excepting inflation or a stock market crash.2 weeks 6 days ago

phxterry: Matt - speaking of global warming: check out - http://edenkeeper.org/2014/12/29/pope-francis-makes-climate-action-priority-2015/. According to that article, Pope Francis is preparing to take a strong stand against global warming in 2015, including issuing a papal encyclical on the environment. Quoting the article: "If the encyclical is actually published in the spring, it will set a tone among the world’s 5,000 bishops and 400,000 priests — a tone of caring for creation and acting for the climate."... "According to Pope Pius XII, papal encyclicals are sufficiently authoritative to end theological debate on a particular question: '. . . if the Supreme Pontiffs in their acts, after due consideration, express an opinion on a hitherto controversial matter, it is clear to all that this matter, according to the mind and will of the same Pontiffs, cannot any longer be considered a question of free discussion among theologians.' ”2 weeks 6 days ago

SABR Matt: That bit about poor people being better able to accept the coming disaster was so completely bass-ackwards from my understanding of poverty that I read it three times to be sure that was what he said. The poor are the least able to respond to changes...the least likely to survive a weaker economic system...and the most in need of progress. The poor need the protection of a vibrant economy far...far more than they need the protection of academics from climate change.2 weeks 6 days ago

moethedog: Matt, when the good professor started writing about how less fortunate and poor people are better able to accept the "coming" climate disaster and that rich people are not, well there he got me to spit up my coffee. The mouse/cheese/maze thing was silly-stupid, but because it was an allegory I can give him the silly-stupid. But the rich-poor thing was was toke over the line. Sigh......2 weeks 6 days ago

SABR Matt: Apropos of nothing recent, but a reminder of the climate change debate we had here a few months back: Climate change expert thinks we should stop thinking and do what we're told: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/03/nutty-claim-our-ability-to-think-inhibits-our-climate-response/2 weeks 6 days ago

SABR Matt: My guess is that Hamilton was told he could rest it and it would be fine...he tried resting it...it wasn't fine.2 weeks 6 days ago

MtGrizzly: Nobody has ever mistaken Josh Hamilton with the sharpest tool in the shed, know what I mean?2 weeks 6 days ago

mojician: Josh Hamilton to undergo shoulder surgery to fix nagging arthritis that benched him for the month of September in 2014. He will be out 6-8 weeks. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25030238/angels-josh-hamilton-set-for-shoulder-surgery-out-6-8-weeks Q1: Why didn't Hamilton do this surgery in November? Q2: If Hamilton just had his shoulder flare up again, does that mean that he hasn't done any training this off season until now? Q3: Who was tasked with watching the $125 million dollar man this off season?3 weeks 13 min ago

SABR Matt: Bottom line...the Seahawks have ONE need this off-season. A power WR. They need to sign Wilson and Lynch ASAP, but they also need a go-to receiver.3 weeks 3 hours ago

rick82: Baldwin was an idiot on that stunt, Grump, and DaddyO. Agreed. You can't use the ball as a prop. Get your head in the game. He let his team down there.3 weeks 19 hours ago

rick82: Some perspective: The Pats last won a Super Bowl in 2005. Since then, both they and we have been to three Super Bowls. Each of us have won one and lost two. Before yesterday, they went ten years before winning another one. We have nothing to hang our heads over. The Pats actually performed arguably the greatest choke in Super Bowl history, having their 16-0 team lose to the 10-6 Giants in 2008. That's a long time to go before removing such a bitter taste in their mouths.3 weeks 19 hours ago

Grumpy: Right on that stupid penalty. Gave the Pats great field position. and they capitalized. Just abysmally stupid. We also had a terrible encroachment penalty that kept a Pats drive alive for another TD.3 weeks 21 hours ago

Grumpy: Yeah. Throwing over the middle was risky though it still took a great defensive play to break it up let alone make the INT. But that's the problem with not having any big tall receivers that you can have fade to the outside of the endzone. I do like the bubble screen idea.3 weeks 21 hours ago

DaddyO: Just saw about the reason for Doug Baldwin's excessive celebration penalty after his touchdown catch. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/check-out-doug-baldwin-s-dirty-touchdown-celebration-021817629.html . I must say, though I am proud to be a Seahawks fan, I am not proud of Lynch's crotch-grabbing, and this moronic celebration by Baldwin is no better. Yeah, yeah, it's a rough game between alpha males. But I've seen plenty of alpha males, very successful alpha males, who don't have to stoop to such antics in order to achieve their success.3 weeks 21 hours ago

rick82: I'm not averse to calling a pass play in that situation. In my first Pete Carroll Seahawk game I attended we played the Chargers and we ran a series of plays down inside the 5 with time running out that was absolutely breathless in its absurdity. Pete was really flailing there and we ended up without even a field goal as time ran out and confusion reigned. At least here they had a plan to use every one of their four downs. BUT, if you are going to call for pass there, is it possible to come up with a worse one that that? am trying to think of a worse one than the one that was called. Really. Can anyone out there come up with a worse pass play? I know there are better ones. But is there a worse one?3 weeks 1 day ago

mojician: Live by the gadget play, die by the gadget play. To me, it seemed like DangeRuss just didn't execute the last play very well. So sue him. The game was squarely lost by the L.O.B., who gave up 109 receiving yards to that nasty little gremlin named Edelman. Maxwell was supposed to stop Edelman. Chancellor was supposed to break his ribs. Sue them too. And none of the Hawks' receivers play like Jerry Rice. And that offensive line couldn't create the tiniest little gaps to set up nice runs for Beast Mode. The Hawks just got beat yesterday. Sometimes, seeing frailty from the champs makes you like them a little bit more. They bleed like the rest of us.3 weeks 1 day ago

rick82: It's gonna hurt for a long time. But Russell is our QB. You gotta lock up your key players, and continue to build the winning culture. I'd seriously think about having him call the plays next season. The coaching staff let them down. But I think more than that the injuries kept us from dominating the game, like we were ready to do entering the 4th quarter. Anyway, Russell is the guy who has to buy in on any decision for it to work.I think he knows more than any OC we bring in, if Bevell is the fall guy. Unless there is some offensive genius out there for the hiring.3 weeks 1 day ago

SABR Matt: Even if you think throwing the ball is a good call because of the clock...you do NOT throw over the middle in a goal line defense...that guarantees you're throwing into triple coverage because all of the LBs are up front to stop the run. You just don't do that...it's beyond stupid...it's outrageously stupid. You throw to the corners. Period. Any other call should get you fired.3 weeks 1 day ago

diderot: An alternate view on &#039;the play&#039;.
Throwing there served one purpose--for Carroll to prove himself the swashbuckling, iconoclastic genius he so desperately longs to be.
Hubris can be an evil master.3 weeks 1 day ago

DaddyO: Apparently Belichek got on Butler in practice this past week about the need to anticipate the very play and route in question, telling him the Haws would use it in the game. http://sportspressnw.com/2197817/2015/thiel-pats-knew-seahawks-pass-was-coming (via Field Gulls).3 weeks 1 day ago

DaddyO: While theoretically the decision to pass in that situation, as explained by Carroll and Bevell, makes some sense, what I find inexplicable is the location of the target. The explanation for the choice to pass was that with three plays, one time out, and limited time left, one pass that would be either a TD or a clock-stopping incompletion made sense, and the best use of that would be made as the first of the plays in the sequence. I can buy that. But that choice was also influenced by the Pats deploying a standard goal line run defense bunched up in the middle. So if you're going to pass, why in the world throw to the middle? Why not throw to edge or the back of the end zone?3 weeks 1 day ago

moethedog: I thought the call was a fine call. Heck, it was a great call if an undrafted rookie doesn't make the read/jump of the century. It was an exceptional play by the kid.. It was an exceptional play at an exceptional time. It was the stuff of NFL legend. Those of us who are Duck alums remember "The Pick" as the most important play in Oregon football history. Kenny Wheaton, a true freshman, read the formation and jumped an out-route, picked of the Dawgs' Damon Huard and went 97 yards, just as the U of W was about to score again to crush Ducks' hope.......again. I always thought that read was the poster child for D-backs doing their homework. It isn't even in the same league with this one.3 weeks 1 day ago

moethedog: Post-game, Dilfer argued that Wilson didn't put the ball in the frame of the WR's body...and that might be right. But that D-back was SO far out of the play (at least 4-5 yards) that it was almost impossible for him to get there. I'm sure Wilson's read was the whether the other DB broke inside or not. He was the true defensive threat. By throwing the ball quickly on that play it kept Carroll's options open for the next two plays, and a time out in his pocket. It wasn't a terrible call. You can certainly question it....but you can do that to every end-game play that doesn't work out. It was a truly amazing defensive play. Have you ever seen a better one?3 weeks 1 day ago

Silentpadna: Griz it's hard to tell because of the lack of separation on most receivers' routes. Even Tate wasn't that great at getting separation. I don't think Wilson has an issue with the throws - I think he could execute that game just fine. He never has guys as open as often as Edelman, but when he does, he has no issue (remember the Baldwin TD).3 weeks 1 day ago

MtGrizzly: I'm still nervous about giving Wilson a giant contract. I'm no Bevell fan but some of the play calling us due to Wilson's skill set. He telegraphs a LOT of throws and seemingly cannot execute the short, quick passes that dominate the NFL these days. It's those big, loopy bombs, the scrambles...or nothing most of the time.3 weeks 1 day ago

Grumpy: Right. After thinking about it, the call was not that bad. 6" to the right = touchdown, everyone looks like a genius. Better break by Lockett = TD. It did take a great read and tremendous play by Butler to get that ball.I was worried about the game b/c of the extremely banged up secondary. Sherman, Kam, Thomas all hurt. Then Lane. Simon isn't ready, and credit to Brady for capitalizing. Still, a huge lost opportunity.
It is amazing how good the Hawks can look on one drive and how bad on another. I do wish they had used more "option" in the read option, especially in the 2nd half. A big/tall reciever that can go up and get a ball in the endzone would have been a great help. Should have put up some more points to put it out of reach. They did catch a bad break when Lockett got tripped with no call on that late drive that came up empty, but they caught a lot of other good breaks too.3 weeks 1 day ago

Silentpadna: Not even close to as bad as '05. This one was tough to swallow, but lost in the angst of the "dumbest Super Bowl play call ever" was the fact that the DB made a fantastic play on the ball. I suppose having a recent SB win in the bag helps soften the blow too. Plenty of bright spots - future is still bright. Hopefully we won't go into another game with the injuries we (they) had...3 weeks 1 day ago

misterjonez: Agreed, rick. There were plenty of breakdowns, and this year the pick 'em which the betting lines predicted came to pass. Great season, good game, but not *quite* enough to claim the top spot. This one doesn't feel anywhere near as bad as the 2005...whatever that was...game was.3 weeks 1 day ago

misterjonez: Ultimately though, the play call at the end of the game will just be an over-scrutinized facet of what was actually a subpar performance for a team that wants to be champions. They had their injuries, sure, and they had a few bounces go against them, but that's the nature of the game. When your entire game, and season, hinges on one play then you can't really claim that you 'deserved' to win in the first place. Games that close, you can't get too upset about intellectually.3 weeks 1 day ago

rick82: Other problem is, the Harvin disaster and injuries left us thin at WR. Golden Tate makes that play, or forces an incomplete. But you know what? We are going to have to get players like Lockette, and Matthews, Kearse, etc. to step up if we are going to stay NFC Champs and return to Super Bowls. All our money is going to our elite players. Lynch was getting the ball 3 out of our 4 chances.3 weeks 1 day ago

rick82: One time out, three plays to get one yard. Makes sense to throw the ball there. It's either a TD or incomplete stops the clock. Then you run, stop the clock with your last TO, then run it one more time. You have three chances instead of two. Problem is, Russell telegraphed the pass. He's human.3 weeks 1 day ago

misterjonez: I really don't know, Matt. I'm not an NFL historian. But I will say it's the worst play call in Seahawks history, for sure and certain. I'm not livid or anything at Bevell, but he's shown pretty questionable judgment this year (remember all those horrible bubble screens early on that they just. would. not. stop. calling?) and I think it's time for fresh blood in there - especially if they're serious about retaining Marshawn.3 weeks 1 day ago

misterjonez: If they really did offer Lynch a huge extension...they probably fouled up the whole process by not, you know, trusting him with the ball on the one yard line. *sigh* Too bad, so sad, but I do think some fresh blood at OC would be a good thing for this team. Good to see Carroll jump on the grenade, though, claiming the call was entirely his. Gotta love the Seahawks as a team right now. 2015 just didn't need to end like that, though.3 weeks 1 day ago

DaddyO: The Seahawks gave us another great season, and now they will be VERY hungry to return to a third straight Super Bowl.3 weeks 1 day ago

DaddyO: Live by the miracle play, die by the miracle play. That Kearse catch looked like the definitive miracle play, instead it was the ensuing interception. Of course, miracle is really not the right word for that play, because clearly the rookie had done his homework and sold out to his read of a slant pass.3 weeks 1 day ago

Grumpy: Great play by the defense, but I will always wonder why Beast Mode didn't get the call there.3 weeks 1 day ago

DaddyO: Lonnie, if any small thing I said made your day, then that's a good day. Thanks for the update on Kevin and The Geek.3 weeks 2 days ago

jemanji: On Super Bowl Day, they announce that they've offered Marshawn a "huge" contract extension. So THAT's the solution. Heh, heh, HEH! …. means what for Wagner and Maxwell?3 weeks 2 days ago

jemanji: By the way, if SSI isn't giving a current version, you hit the front page and then refresh. Works for me on all devices.3 weeks 2 days ago

Lonnie of MC: FYI: Last September MarinerGeek made a surprise showing out of the blue at the MC. Kevin ess currently lives in South Carolina to be closer to his son. Top notch? Thanks, DaddyO, you made my day!3 weeks 2 days ago

IcebreakerX: Heya Doc, Could you see what Klat's doing with IP Blocking? I can't access SSI without VPNing into America, which is kinda dumb. It depends on where I am, but I definitely can't get on from home.3 weeks 3 days ago

Grumpy: http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/12-Fun-Facts-About-Seahawks-Quarterback-Russell-Wilson/9b3020ab-d494-4c07-930a-b154410cc9fc
12 fun facts about RW3. Didn't know about the weekly children's hospital visits. What at great guy.3 weeks 3 days ago

mojician: Marshawn's judgment is excellent. Toad is by far the best Mario Cart player. Toad's superior acceleration and cornering trashes all comers. Who says Lynch doesn't give a good interview? Also, Conan's end zone celebration is the best ever. Too bad he didn't have a double placenta. He would have been a very entertaining athlete.3 weeks 4 days ago

DaddyO: So true King. A picture of community origins wouldn't be at all complete (or even accurate) without reference to the original D-O-V, which is apparently soon to come full circle. DOV >> SSI >> DOV(free) and DOV(subscription).3 weeks 4 days ago

KingCorran: Likewise with SportSpot, though I think I may actually have come across the old D-O-V before hanging out there in the SS fantasy baseball forum. =)3 weeks 4 days ago

jemanji: That *is* great to hear about Kevin. :- ) … I heard from Mark (MarinerGeek) occasionally for quite a while after he left SportSpot, but haven't for a couple of years.3 weeks 4 days ago

MtGrizzly: Sport Spot was what drug me into this little corner of the blogosphere.3 weeks 4 days ago

Grumpy: Lonnie will probably have some info on MarinerGeek. I just checked in on Kevin Ess's Facebook site. Seems like he has made a strong recovery from his severe mediastinal infection and multiple operations from last year.3 weeks 4 days ago

Bat571: Another guy to bring back? Cesar Jimenez got DFA'd by the Phils. Maybe he'd sign a MiLB deal with NRI to come back to the NW. Nothing special, but a LH who put up a 1.69 ERA with the Phils and a 1.45 ERA with Lehigh Valley (AAA) last year who was a Mariner from signing in 2001 until 2012. More LH spaghetti for the Pencil, or is a Beimel signing imminent? Jimenez just turned 30 in November, so maybe he's got a few bullets left?3 weeks 5 days ago

DaddyO: Just to rehearse it, as best I can reconstruct it since I wasn't around when the core of this community first started, the progression went something like this: An AOL forum >> Seattle PI forum >> Top Forums >> SportSpot >> MarinerCentral. I know Doc and a number of others were charter member, official or otherwise. It would be interesting to see somebody who knows the score put that history together in post for posterity...and for US too!3 weeks 5 days ago

DaddyO: Aye, we have had a lot of fun over the years, matey. I was trying to remember (and failing, as is my habit) MarinerGeek's handle. Thanks for the reminder. He was GREAT servant and set a tone of civil discourse that allowed the discussions to thrive. Of course, Lonnie, himself a top notch guy, has carried that torch for a long time now. I definitely remember the Grandpa Mariner saga and the startling discovery that he was a clever façade. I also remember another guy who disappeared, the beloved Mr. Baseball, who blew me away during some very tough times by treating my wife and two friends to his Hit It Here Café seats, complete with food allowance, for what turned out to be a game against the BoSox. If yer out there lurking Mr. B, I'll never forget ya!3 weeks 5 days ago

mojician: We've had a lot of fun blogging over the years haven't we? The weird thing about internet blogging is that there are loads of unsolved mysteries out there. The proprietor of sportspot was a guy named marinergeek. He hosted the site on his own dime, and seemed like a really cool guy. One day sportspot dissapeared and so did he, never to be heard of again. What happened with that? For some years, there was a guy blogging as grandpamariner, who gave in depth reports from spring training, every year, and then faked his own death by sending a false email to one of the bloggers from a fictitious relative. I forget the particulars, but that was weird. When a person kills his blogging handle, there are no traces left.3 weeks 5 days ago

DaddyO: mocician, continued... Re: Ichiro and OBP, even in those days IIRC there were sharp though mostly cordial disagreements regarding Ichiro. Some could brook no suggestion that he was anything other than divine, some couldn't tolerate anything less than perfection in every aspect of his game, most were somewhere in between. Unwillingness to take a walk was among a number of subjects of debate regarding Ichiro, but those didn't really heat up until the Mariners really started to hit rock bottom. Again, all this is just my recollection...could be elements I'm getting wrong.3 weeks 5 days ago

DaddyO: mojician, I started frequenting Mariners forums not much before that in the spring of 2004, right before the name was changed to SportSpot (I forget what it was called before that, but it might have been something like Top Forum or something similar). Most there at that time had been forum-ing together for several years and I remember being a total newbie among a crowd that proved to be most welcoming and tons of fun. And yes, I do remember Bucky Jacobsen and Scott Spezio being hot topics, along with the Mariners being too content to just contend and not intent on doing what was needed to win it all. Little did we know then how bad things would get and for how long.3 weeks 5 days ago

mojician: Daddy O: If during the early 2000's, any of us did talk about messing with Ichiro's plate approach, it would be something that would be impolite to talk about, like that time that Doc picked the 49ers to beat the Hawks at C-Link. Some things should never be mentioned. If something like that did occur, it was before my time, as I started my blogging career in 2005 at sportspot.net. In 2005, the issues where what happened to Bucky Jacobsen, and Scott Spezio. I don't remember any of the sportspot brethren bringing up any nonsense about changing Ichiro's approach. But, there was once a thread where Ichiro was compared less than favorably to Ricky Henderson.3 weeks 5 days ago

DaddyO: 2004 was at the height of the Moneyball craze. Suddenly OBP became the holy grail. I agree it was foolish to monkey with Ichiro, but baseball fads have been baseball fads forever. No love for Bavasi from my corner, but I'm sure there's some of us here who at that time were vocal about the need for Ichiro to take some walks. That said, Ichiro was always the kind of player you just let him play his game and reap the results as they are. For some athletes too much hands-on coaching is counterproductive.3 weeks 5 days ago

Gordon Gross: And moj.... that's unbelievable hubris to try to change Ichiro not in 2001 but AFTER he's already proven his approach works here and he's giving you 6 WAR a year as a leadoff man. Bavasi gives baseball lifers a bad name.3 weeks 5 days ago

Gordon Gross: Rick, the chase to 3000 hits for Ichiro IS the chase to be the all-time hits leader. He had 1278 hits in Japan before coming over, playing 130-135 games a year instead of 162. Pete had 4256 hits. When Ichiro gets to 3000 in MLB he'll be the all-time hits leader in professional baseball.3 weeks 5 days ago

mojician: Ichiro hit ,321 in the first half of 2004, and .429 in the second half. What might have been? How about Unobtainium, the golden fleece of baseball, ranking with the likes of Ty Cobb and Ted WIlliams. I'm talking about interfering with a legitmate run at .400. That's what Bavasi messed with.3 weeks 5 days ago

mojician: It makes you wish there was a baseball tribunal for this sort of thing. I think a lifetime ban would be appropriate.3 weeks 5 days ago

moethedog: Rick, I've always felt that Staubach was one of the 5 greatest QB's ever. He's on my short list: Unitas, Elway, Staubach, Brady, Starr in some order (championships count)and then you get Montana//Marino/Baugh/Favre, nipping at their heels. I tend to list the top five (today's list, anyway) as Elway, then Unitas, then a 3-way tie! With a win on Sunday, Brady is #3. With apologies I have to leave out Sonny Jurgenson/Otto Graham/Aikman/Bradshaw. One drive to win the Super Bowl? Give me Elway. One game to win? Give me Starr then Staubach the Brady. Unitas changed the position to a much more cerebral one and became the ideal of a pocket passer.3 weeks 5 days ago

mojician: MLBTraderumors reports that a new Bavasi baseball atrocity has come to light: Bavasi tampered with Ichiro's plate approach during Spring training of 2004, and forced him to try for more OBP. This led to a 49 at bat funk for Ichiro to start the season. He pulled out of it when Paul Molitor told him to ignore the upper management and play his game. 2004 was Ichiro's career year, with 262 hits and a .371 average. Tampering Ichiro's historic year is an unspeakable baseball crime that has to rate with the Choo, Cabrera and Jones trades as most infamous. Attested by Paul Molitor:
http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/2015/01/28/twinsights-paul-molitor-ichiro-suzuki-share-special-bond/3 weeks 5 days ago

DaddyO: Staubach is not a bad comparison for Wilson. Staubach was terrific at working the pocket and finding the right moment to take off and run. And he was no slouch as a runner. But I would say WIlson exceeds Staubach as a runner. Tarkenton was more a quick, elusive runner. Staubach was more an intelligent runner who got the best out of what running talent he had, which was rather average. Wilson is quick AND explosive AND elusive AND, dare I say, powerful, not in the sense of running people over but in the sense of running through arm tackles. Great comparison, rick82.3 weeks 5 days ago

rick82: Back to football. Someone, it may have been Belichick, compared Russell Wilson to Roger Staubach, and I think that is an excellent comparison. I doubt Roger comes up a lot when one looks at the record books, but he sure knew how to win games, move the ball, make things happen. Leadership qualities off the chart. The guy you want at quarterback.3 weeks 5 days ago

rick82: I feel like with Ichiro, I'm reliving Pete Rose's chase to be the all time hits leader. With Ichiro, the chase to 3,000 - which, don't get me wrong, I really really want him to reach. Rose, I couldn't have cared less. Who needs a banjo hitting starting first baseman? But Ichiro still provides value in the field.3 weeks 5 days ago

Spectator: Speaking of that approach at the plate, we have another one on the way in Ketel Marte: 0.4% HR/PA | 12.6% K/PA | 5.4% BB/PA | 5.1% XBH/PA. He's Endy Chavez at shortstop, except a switch-hitter. There are worse things.3 weeks 5 days ago

Spectator: Low K rate; low BB rate; not much power; putting the ball in play a lot; success dependent on beating the BABIP game. Ichiro did from 2001 to 2009; hasn't since. Endy never has. I just thought it was interesting.3 weeks 5 days ago

moethedog: Moj, I absolutely agree on your Ichiro points. I, silently, was hoping we would bring him in for a year...as a vL/4th OF guy (he still is really good against lefties) and for his work-ethic; much to be learned from that. Heck, make Montero follow him around every day. Rugi will be fine, hopefully better, so I'm not complaining......but a farewell tour in Seattle for a guy who can still hit would have been fine by me. I would take Ichiro over Endy any day, Spec.3 weeks 5 days ago

mojician: There is a lot to like in Ichiro as a fourth outfielder. There is the defensive covereage of all outfield positions, the cannon arm, the base stealing, the reverse platoon split, and a lesson for the whippersnappers of how a hall of famer prepares himself to play baseball. Maybe Stanton will learn some of those crazy stretches and not get hurt any more.3 weeks 5 days ago

rjjunior: Of course there will be a little speculation about the Mariners, since there was perceived interest in the past. I do not see it, but there is that one RH bench bat, currently projected to be Montero, where Viciedo could slide in. Good numbers vs lefties over his career. Can he play first?3 weeks 6 days ago

Spectator: Dayan Viciedo DFA'd by ChiSox. Back when M's were desperate for RH-hitting OF he kept popping up. Good thing nothing of value was surrendered for him.3 weeks 6 days ago

Spectator: And now John Baker, lefty-hitting journeyman catcher, added for depth on minor-league deal. Pretty decent at drawing walks in 1200 MLB PAs; not much else. Hasn't played regularly since 2009 (will be age-34 season).3 weeks 6 days ago

SABR Matt: I'd rather have Chavez...no ego...willing to play in the minors until needed and ride the pine.3 weeks 6 days ago

Spectator: Moot point, of course, since they couldn't bring Ichiro back to Seattle and treat him like he's Endy Chavez, so I think they're wise to keep arm's length.3 weeks 6 days ago

Spectator: Ichiro officially to the Marlins as 4th OF. $2M with chance to reach $5M incentives. Discussion question, if you're not all Seahawk-obsessed: All else being equal in 2015, would you take Ichiro or Endy? Kind of interesting how similar Endy is to post-2010 Ichiro, except that Ichiro still has some stolen base legs left.3 weeks 6 days ago

MtGrizzly: Earl Thomas's blog on the Packers game. This Seahawks team reminds me of the "I love this team" Sonics group. So much to root for. http://www.earlthomas.com/2015/01/26/miracle-comeback/3 weeks 6 days ago

DaddyO: If we have been given misinformation, then our conclusions must be subject to revision. If what we had been told was a fact (i.e., the referees pressure tested the balls in question) is directly contradicted by new information, of course--- it transforms the situation. You can only form an opinion on the information you have.4 weeks 46 sec ago

moethedog: All you Patriot haters may need to backtrack on the Deflategate/cheating comments: Looks like it was the refs who blew it. http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-nfl-approved-under-inflated-balls-from-patriots/ar-AA8DMF1?ocid=iehp4 weeks 4 hours ago

SABR Matt: I am of course also glad that I have not lost power in this blizzard. :-)4 weeks 5 hours ago

SABR Matt: Glad that the mariners are willing to continue to show a certain loyalty to Gutierrez, and equally glad that Chavez is willing to show loyalty to the mariners and accept minor league contracts and play in Tacoma until needed4 weeks 5 hours ago

MtGrizzly: Browner was interviewed by ESPN and encouraged his teammates to break Sherman's arm. Lynch will probably be fined for not talking to the media but I'm betting Browner faces no penalty. #nfl4 weeks 1 day ago

mojician: I think that the Boomstick is going to improve the fan experience at Safeco by about three runs per series.4 weeks 1 day ago

Bat571: Hearing about the LED lighting and WiFi at Safeco and the consequent improvements in the fan experience, and then seeing Rich Waltz on MLB Now reminds me of another "fan experience" improvement I wish they'd make - bring back Waltz!!!4 weeks 1 day ago

SABR Matt: wish me luck, all - about to get clobbered with a massive blizzard...could be three feet of snow. :)4 weeks 1 day ago

Tacoma Rain: Number 14 was my first hero, and the only numbered shirt I would wear in my youth. He was class personified, and had a never ending joy for the game or people.
RIP to a true gentleman and legend of the game.1 month 1 day ago

DaddyO: Ernie Banks. Always loved that guy. Although not exactly the same kind of hitter, Edgar Martinez always reminded me of Ernie Banks, a little in attitude, bit mostly in the fact that he played his whole outstanding career for a team that never made it to the World Series. Most of my admitted bitterness against the M's is their lack of commitment to go the extra mile to get Edgar and the gang into one when they had the chance. Banks IS the Chicago Cubs.1 month 1 day ago

rick82: You'll have to share that story with us, Diderot.1 month 1 day ago

diderot: Sorry to completely change the topic, but a moment of tribute (and sadness) for Ernie Banks.
Through an entirely unpredictable set of circumstances, I had dinner with him the night he was elected to the Hall of Fame.
You could not ask for a better human being. Baseball was immensely better for having had him.1 month 1 day ago

jemanji: rumor seems to be that somebody clandestinely took a needle to the balls between pre game inspection and halftime ...1 month 1 day ago

mojician: A Mariners analogy would be freezing or humidifying the opponent's baseballs, dehydrating Mariners baseballs, or closing the roof every half inning so the ball is more lively during Mariners at bats.1 month 1 day ago

mojician: The plot thickens: Apparently, after a referee marks a seal of approval on game balls, they are returned to the providing team's equipment manager just before the game. Also, each team provides its own balls for the offense to play with, so deflate gate caused a disadvantage to the Colts.1 month 1 day ago

mojician: If Brady prefers underinflated balls, how does he claim that he didn't know anything about the balls being underinflated? They must have felt underinflated to his expert throwing hand. We have motive, we have an inconsistent story from the main suspect, we have obviously tampered balls. What we don't have is the tampering device, who the principal was who actually did the deed, and who all of the aiders and abetters are in this conspiracy. Take Brady downtown and make him squeal.1 month 1 day ago

DaddyO: It doesn't matter whether the advantage sought by the Patriots actually changed the outcome of the game, or whether restoring balls to within tolerance for the second half shows that the advantage sought shows that it had little or no effect. What matters is that clearly someone connected with the Patriots in some way did in fact seek such an illegal advantage. 11 of 12 balls were outside pressure limits, all underpressured, a stated preference of Tom Brady.. Not a koinkidink. Someone intentionally made it so, and did so at the express or implied, immediate or mediate request of Tom Brady. In addition, the officials responsible for testing either didn't do their job or were in on the subterfuge. Once it is publicly known that a team sough such an illegal advantage, the NFL MUST do something...publicly, else it is demonstrated to tolerate the seeking of illegal advantages.1 month 2 days ago

moethedog: All the balls were re-inflated at half time....as the balls go back to the refs. Didn't hurt the Pats much after halftime.1 month 2 days ago

SABR Matt: agreed that Brady and Belichek likely know what is happening with the balls...and that only the balls Brady got were under-inflated (yielding a lopsided outcome).1 month 2 days ago

SABR Matt: I always knew Furbush was tall, but he doesn't stand tall on the mound much...he pitches with a stooped stance that makes him look shorter.1 month 2 days ago

okdan: This is apropos of nothing, but I just saw a photo of the guys wearing the new alternate uniforms, and... Did you realize that Charlie Furbush is 6' 5"? He's got an inch on Paxton, and a few inches on Cruz. Always thought he was a shorter guy :shrug:1 month 2 days ago

moethedog: I believe that once the balls (12 for each team) go to the Referee to be checked (2 hours and 15 minutes before game time) the balls are never in the possession of "some locker room guy." The Referee is to check each ball and then they remain in his possession until just before game time when they go to a ball attendant, on the field. The home team provides the ball attendant for both teams. This guy is responsible for the balls, which (I believe) are delivered back to the refs during halftime. The ball attendant is in a stripped shirt, I believe.1 month 2 days ago

Spectator: And it's a championship game. And inclement weather. And Brady's been playing in that same stadium for, what, 15 years? Some locker room guy is going to take the initiative on his own accord to change the balls just for the heck of it? No way. It was done because Brady wanted it done. Maybe with a wink and a nod, but because Brady wanted it done.1 month 2 days ago

Spectator: But all the ex-jocks on espn are saying there's NO WAY an equipment guy does anything to the ball unless Brady knows and approves. And that's for any starting QB, but particularly for a veteran mega-star who's known to be particular about how he wants the balls prepared. Hard to buy Brady's Sgt. Schultz I know NOTH-ing stuff. Reminds me of Lance Armstong "I'm-bigger-than-the-sport so I can get away with it" routine.1 month 2 days ago

MtGrizzly: Re. Deflate gate - I wouldn't t want to be a Patriots ball boy right now. I think this poop will roll all the way down hill and some poor ball boy is going to take the fall.1 month 2 days ago

MtGrizzly: Montero is almost certainly headed to Tacoma to play 1B. He's Morrison insurance and they will want him swinging the bat every day, not sitting on the bench.1 month 2 days ago

Silentpadna: It won't affect the Super Bowl - other than the extra babysitting (and the fact that Brady won't get to use what he may be apparently used to). They should get sanctioned something like, but not as severe, as what the Saints had to go through - if the investigation uncovers intention and proof.1 month 2 days ago

SABR Matt: My guess is that the Pats get a slap on the wrist and the NFL whitewashes the whole thing.1 month 2 days ago

misterjonez: So what are the bets that deflategate actually gains any traction? I'm curious what the mainframe thinks :)1 month 2 days ago

Lonnie of MC: No, Montero did NOT weigh 275 last year. I saw him in ST and he looked to be about 250 tops.1 month 2 days ago

Bat571: If he's now a solid, aerobic-conditioned 235# at 6'3", and he still has the eye he's shown in the past, I'm getting increasingly interested in seeing this guy on the roster. I wonder if they have him taking some reps behind the plate as well, or they think it best to just put that in the rear-view mirror. If he puts on the tools during pitchers and catchers week, it's going to get *very* interesting in my mind. And if Edgar can teach him how to effectively keep warm and loose when DHing, there's still a lot of value in his bat -- and as a 1B against those LH that Morrison can't solve. JackZ is soft-pedaling the possibilities in my mind (extended tough love?), but if he hits like he once could, Jesus could end up being a major player for a contender even as a BU 1B / BU DH / 3rd C. When do we face Sale again?1 month 2 days ago

SABR Matt: Yeah...275 for a guy not any taller than me...I barely outweigh him...that can't be good1 month 2 days ago

MtGrizzly: Was Montero really up to 275 last year? Puts 'ice cream gate' in perspective!1 month 3 days ago

MtGrizzly: General manager Jack Zduriencik and manager Lloyd McClendon both expressed optimism about Montero's offseason workouts at Thursday's Mariners pre-Spring Training luncheon. The 25-year-old has dropped about 40 pounds from last year and is at the requested reporting weight of 235 that he far overshot last spring at the start of a disappointing season.1 month 3 days ago

mojician: After hearing about Coriolis and all the others, the Mariners reached the KFA with Walker to protect their prospects. The Mariners upper management called this strategy "addition by not subtracting".1 month 4 days ago

mojician: You remember that the "Coriolis Effect" was not named after a scientist, but after a minor league player that Taijuan Walker killed with his curve ball.1 month 4 days ago

mojician: Also, it is not clear that the Mariners-Walker exclusive killing forbearance agreement can be assigned, as Walker likes the other teams a lot less than he likes the Mariners.1 month 4 days ago

mojician: Taijuan Walker was traded to the Diamondbacks more than two years ago, but the deal is stalled because Zduriencik hasn't had the guts to tell him yet.1 month 4 days ago

mojician: The Mariners don't pay Taijuan Walker to play baseball. Rather, they pay him money, and he agrees not to kill any of the Mariners' players with a baseball.1 month 4 days ago

mojician: Taijuan Walker thinks that the term "trade bait" is something that should be done regularly to induce more hitters to step into the batters box against him.1 month 4 days ago

SABR Matt: I say we should look at him because the market for his services is perceived to be very weak and because we can use the surplus in our rotation that adding Shields would create to trade for another bat or to restock the upper minors with prospects.1 month 4 days ago

rick82: Shields? Another Super Bowl appearance by their next door neighbors has to have some of these owners rethinking budget concerns. The nice thing about baseball, is you don't have to hire a genius like Carroll, you can buy your way to greatness. Anyway, keep the social pressure on them, Hawks.1 month 4 days ago

SABR Matt: If I were the Mariners, I would now be looking seriously at James Shields.1 month 4 days ago

Bat571: So, the Astros trade Corporan to the Rangers. Looks like their C surplus is reduced and the chances of their trading a C for Erasmo just went to zilch. Ah, well.1 month 4 days ago

Bat571: On the Astros, if they want to keep Casto and Conger and Gattis at C, with Corporan at AAA, I wonder if Max Stassi might be available for Erasmo. He isn't a LH hitter like Castro, but might be a nice hedge on Hicks developing.1 month 4 days ago

Bat571: Then I expect they'll sign Endy again and he'll have a June opt-out again, but he's worth having around. And then Guti - boy, if he'd take an NRI contract with a mid-June opt-out I could really get behind that. If he gets his timing back and can play ~regularly it'd be nice insurance for a contender, especially until Austin Jackson shows he can hit in Safeco. Carlos Rivero is already signed and invited. Humberto Quintero is still waiting for his call. I'd like to see Erasmo Ramirez bring back something of use - if the Astros still need pitching, it'd be nice to put Guerrero or Marte or even Sanchez with Erasmo and see if Jason Castro could be broken loose. Just some noodlin'.1 month 4 days ago

Bat571: About time now for the Ms to do some NRI signings. I don't think Chris Young will sign a minor league deal, but it would be fun to see him go toe-to-toe with Happ for a rotation slot. Beimel should be the BP lefty we need - in reserve, perhaps, while Olmos, Kickham, et al sort things out; but he was Steady Eddie last year.1 month 4 days ago

moethedog: Astros have made themselves pertinent. I'm impressed. Rasmus for 1X$4M was a steal of decent proportion.1 month 4 days ago

SABR Matt: Scherzer's deal is fascinating...and may set a precedent for teams looking to compete without breaking the bank short term. Teams like the Mariners. Scherzer to the NL is good news, but the Nats are looking pretty darned good in 2015...and now the Rangers are a bit of a factor in the AL West, as are the Astros...the entire west is dangerous.1 month 5 days ago

SABR Matt: wow...Gallardo to Texas? That, I did not expect.1 month 5 days ago

MtGrizzly: That Scherzer contract is interesting. I don't remember ever seeing that much $$ deferred before.1 month 6 days ago

rick82: It's also nice to get the Nationals out of our "NL teams to play" list. In other news, when asked to comment, Matt Hasselbeck was quoted last night as saying, "Yeah, I told you we were gonna score."1 month 6 days ago

mojician: It's nice to get Scherzer out of the American League.1 month 6 days ago

mojician: My love for Chris Sale knows few bounds, but I still wouldn't trade Felix for him. The Condor's stick arm is so skinny that it seems like it may be in danger of falling off with mileage. Plus, Felix pitches much deeper into games than Sale does.1 month 6 days ago

mojician: The White Sox rotation is going to be putrid nasty in 2015. They have The (other) Condor, Shark, Quintana, Danks and Noesi for the rotation, with 13.9k/9 Carlos Rodon in the hopper, the White Sox can pitch a little bit. Oh, and with Abreu and LaRoche for MOTO, they can hit a little bit too. l1 month 6 days ago

SABR Matt: Unbelievable...I miss the ugliest, greatest football game of the last decade because I'm the best man at my brother in law's wedding...man...1 month 6 days ago

bsr: Can't forget to mention Sherman playing with one arm for a whole quarter (and they still wouldn't go after him!), and Earl Thomas playing with a dislocated shoulder (!) for most of the game. Amazing. Hope they are healed up by SB week, we aren't likely beating the Pats if they can't go full speed.1 month 6 days ago

bsr: Total respect for the Packers players, especially the defense and Rodgers doing his best while hobbling around. That hit Matthews put on Wilson was awesome. Their coach McCarthy however...I was very unimpressed with. Wussing out on those two 19 yard FG's when they had a chance to take the life out of Seattle in the first quarter, was inexcusable on his part. Those are the calls you can point to and argue GB deserved to lose.1 month 6 days ago

bsr: I knew we were in trouble from the beginning because Wilson historically struggles greatly in the rain. There was a FG article on it earlier this year. Having watched this game though, I think it's as much that his receivers struggle in the rain - with drops and inability to get open (hard enough for them in perfect conditions). So Wilson needs to force the issue which he's not great at. Luckily that will not be an issue in AZ.1 month 6 days ago

bsr: The way Marshawn Lynch was running in the 4th quarter of that game...was unforgettable. He won this game for us (well him and Ryan the punter!). We really need to collectively cherish this Super Bowl because I don't think we'll ever see another player like Beast Mode. Absolute indomitable champion warrior.1 month 6 days ago

DaddyO: Brady, Bel and Co. are up to it, but they'd better be prepared to kill the snake utterly and completely, because otherwise it will find a way to cheat death and prevail.1 month 6 days ago

misterjonez: I don't blame them, Griz. Haven't seen the game itself yet, but wow...talk about historic. There is nothing this team can't do, and I don't mean that in the sense of 'any given Sunday.' These guys are the apex predators of the NFL right now, and it's going to take a pretty gutsy performance by Brady & Co. to stop a re-Pete by this group.1 month 6 days ago

MtGrizzly: Hours after the game, my cheesehead friends are still somewhere between stunned, bitter and bewildered.1 month 6 days ago

mojician: That's it. A lifetime memory. That was one of the greatest events I've ever seen.1 month 6 days ago

DaddyO: The last three minutes of regulation combined with overtime together constitute the kind of story that makes being a sports fan worthwhile. It was a privilege to have our local team do what it did at the end of the game. Thank you Seahawks for a lifetime memory.1 month 6 days ago

rick82: This site is screwier than ever. Anyway, just noticed (by compete accident, believe me) there was a wonderful thread on music going from Spec's post. I just added my piece. Didn't want folks to miss it.1 month 1 week ago

Fungineer: Did Edgar really decline so rapidly? Starting at age 37 (2000), his OPS+ for the next four years was 158, 160, 139, 140. Fairly consistent production to the age of 40. Even age 41 wasn&#039;t terrible (OPS+ of 92 supported by an OBP of .342).1 month 1 week ago

GLS: I don't feel at all compelled to be fair to the M's about RJ.1 month 1 week ago

DaddyO: And in fairness to the M's re: RJ, it could be they felt that Griffey and A-Rod contract negotiations not far in the future, they couldn't sign all three to mega-contracts, so they got what they could for a star pitcher having bad season who had a bad back, this in order to give them a better chance to keep Griffey and hopes to retain A-Rod. And at the time they couldn't have known Edgar would decline so rapidly either.1 month 1 week ago

DaddyO: Yeah, that's why I said "Lotsa reasons, not all one-sided." But you're right, but I'd guess A-Rod was 85/15 himself, Griffey was 50/50, and RJ was 75/25 M's. At least that's my take with my recollections. Could be wrong.1 month 1 week ago

diderot: DaddyO: agree entirely on your RJ analysis. But not on the other two.
I think Griffey saw the new stadium...realized he wouldn&#039;t hit enough homers to satisfy him...and decided he was out at all costs.
For A-Rod, the stage here would never be big enough. Needed the bigger contract...bigger exposure.
Just my interpretation.1 month 1 week ago

DaddyO: My recollection is that the org felt Randy either wasn't sound physically or quit on them in 1998 (4.33 ERA 9-10 record, nothing remotely like those number over the preceding 10 years). It's interesting that once traded to Houston he went 10-1 with a 1.28 ERA. Bottom line the org soured on Randy, and Randy soured on them. There was a lot of that stuff going on for the next few years. The M's didn't want to pay the salaries their superstars commanded either. So we lost Randy in '98, Griffey in 2000, and A-Rod in 2001. Lotsa reasons, not all one-sided, but the bottom line is the Mariners didn't appreciate what they had like they should have. Finally Lou got so frustrated he left after 2003. The M's paid for their organizational myopia over the next decade...in spades they paid. So why should Randy wear an M's cap? I wouldn't if I was him.1 month 1 week ago

John Pierce: It looks like Castro signed with the Strohs for $4 mil.1 month 1 week ago

diderot: Noting that Shadler&#039;s site today identified six breakout pitchers in the AL this year.
Two of them were named Paxton and Elias.1 month 1 week ago

rick82: Probably the right thing to do: represent the organization that showed the most faith in you. I think his connection with the fans was/is strongest here, however.1 month 1 week ago

MtGrizzly: @RyanDivish: As expected, Randy Johnson will be wearing a Diamondbacks hat on his plaque in Cooperstown.1 month 1 week ago

Bat571: Astros now definitely have too many catchers and are looking for pitching depth. I wonder if an Erasmo Ramirez and one of Victor Sanchez/Gabe Guerrero/Ketel Marte package would get Jason Castro? A 27yo LH hitting catcher might be a nice return, since Sucre still has an option and Ramirez doesn't. Let Castro fight it out for playing time, while Sucre is still available and while Hicks gets his AAA ABs.1 month 1 week ago

Spectator: Lars Huijer -- the Dutch Master -- was very raw coming over from Holland as a teen, but he put together a very promising season at Everett at age 19. Not a K machine, but very good at limiting hard contact (only 2 HR and .058 ISO-against). They pushed him hard up the ladder in 2014, and not surprisingly he struggled at High Desert. It's interesting to me that Theo Epstein's crew picked him off the list of low-minors arms to take a chance on. Of course, Jack and Mac are constantly replenishing the supply of intriguing arms, so spinning off the surplus for MLB spare parts is going to be part of the story for awhile.1 month 1 week ago

rick82: Orcs - always formidable, but throw a few top of the line warriors their way and they'll fold like a cheap suit.1 month 1 week ago

Spectator: Well ... two of my once-favorite pitching prospects gone (maybe) in a flash. Anthony Fernandez was ahead of Roenis Elias when they were both at High Desert, though Elias always had better "stuff." An-Fernan got the call to AA first, and opened his AA career with 9.0 IP, 1 ER then 9.0 IP, 0 ER. That's how he got on the 40-man. But that was his high-water-mark and he hasn't been "right" since 2013. He'll probably clear waivers and return to the M's org, and it's actually kind of surprising that he's been on the 40-man this long.1 month 1 week ago

Taro: I actually think they have an offense similar to ours in overall production. They have better Obp potential vs our power. We have more stars, but they have better benchies and much better depth. They're defense is better whereas we have a couple star arms. It'll be close.1 month 1 week ago

SABR Matt: I don't think the As are contenders in the slightest. Their line-up is dreadful...lacking in any power potential and not super-high in OBP generation either. Their defense may be slightly better than 2014, but their bullpen and rotation were already close to maxed out last year and they're relying in guys who came out of nowhere last year to produce well for them (especially Chavez). I don't think this formula will work1 month 1 week ago

Taro: When it comes down to it, the As in 2015 look pretty good and could contend for the division if things break their way. Only $24M on the books in 2016. The team is has tons of club-controlled players and flexibility, but ZERO stars. Its the kind of approach I've never seen before. Maybe long-term, Beane is looking for a breakout from his spaghetti, or maybe he trades it and/or spends. It'll be interesting to watch.1 month 1 week ago

Taro: Zobrist, Kazmir, and Clippard all have a shot of being worth QOs. Also I think Clippard was a safer bet to be valuable in 2015 than Escobar. I think Beane tries to extend Zobrist reasonably, but if it can't be done he'll collect the pick.1 month 1 week ago

SABR Matt: So...the As revert to starting Zobrist at SS and Semien at 2B. I really...really don't understand what is happening in Oakland.1 month 1 week ago

SABR Matt: LOL!! The magic mystery Billy Beane show continues to confuse the heck out of me. Beane FINALLY blugged his gigantic seeping wound at shortstop with Yunel Escobar...only to immediately trade him for...Tyler Clippard????? WHHAAAA??? WHY on earth would you DO that?? The As bullpen was already top drawer...what the heck is Beane THINKING??1 month 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Lol moj. Gattis cost the Astros two of their top-8 prospects (BA rankings). Essentially, it would have cost us Elias, Austin Wilson and probably Victor Sanchez to top that deal. Or if you prefer to match it as straight up as you can, thats #3 (Marte, but because they have their own Marte it would be #2 DJ or #4 Kivlehan), #8 Gohara, and a low minors strike thrower with Ks like Yarbrouch (untradable at this exact point, but let's pretend). I can see why Jack went with Plan B instead of trying to keep bidding. The AL West will be interesting this year.1 month 1 week ago

SABR Matt: that would actually make sense...Shields or Scherzer on that club would make it borderline-up competitive.1 month 1 week ago

mojician: Or maybe they like having Scott Feldman as their opening day starter.1 month 1 week ago

mojician: They need uncle Crane to get out that checkbook for Scherzer or Big Game James. I bet that the Astros are the secret team who have already promised Shields $110 million. If you were Jim Crane, and you were an ex pitcher, and you owned $2 billion and the Astros, what would you do? He probably didn't buy the team in hopes of it being a cheap loser doormat club.1 month 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Gattis would be used as the Astros' left fielder...not their catcher. But still, this Astros club will hit a little bit in 2015. But can they pitch a little bit?1 month 1 week ago

DaddyO: Hey, the M's counter by trading for Mik "Kick 'im" Kichkam. Not exactly an encouraging last name for a pitcher. Apparently opposing MLB batters helped him live up to his moniker, booting him around for a 10+ ERA.1 month 1 week ago

mojician: 'Stros trade for Evan Gattis for players nobody has ever heard of. Gattis has 4 years of club control left. Gattis slugs .490 at catcher. Thought 1: Gattis's first two years are way better than what Napoli and V-Mart produced in their rookie and sophomore seasons. Thought 2: The Atlanta Braves must really disregard their fans' feelings. Thought 3: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid.1 month 1 week ago

rick82: Been unplugged for a week or so. Catching up. Best takeaway so far out of all I've read is this: Nuremberg 1561: cool. Oh, And I wanna hang out with DaddyO and Spec sometime and groove on whatever music they want to lay on me.1 month 1 week ago

SABR Matt: That would explain the lack of zip on his throws this year.1 month 1 week ago

Lonnie of MC: Word is that Manning has been playing with a quad tear for the past few weeks.1 month 1 week ago

SABR Matt: I think Manning's problem is that he lacks creativity. He is a one-dimensional pocket-passing machine of a QB...he's really good at that when his arm is right...he's precise and proficient and powerful. It makes him a phenomenal weapon when he's got the tools to throw to and he can execute physically...but if he's a little off on his rm or has some other physical issue...or if his support cast isn't up to it...he can't adjust and do something different. Look what Brady just pulled off in that comeback against the Ravens. They were giving him all kinds of problems early in that game and then he just started making s&%! up on the fly at complete random to get through. Manning can't do that. It means he will flame out more quickly as he ages out...and it means he will struggle in the play-offs against better teams who can take away his tools downfield or get enough pressure on him to take away the pokcet passing game.1 month 1 week ago

MtGrizzly: Yeah, Manning didn't have any mustard on his throws for the last six games or so. I suspect injury. Of course, his boss Elway won two Super Bowls with greatly diminished arm strength.1 month 1 week ago

Silentpadna: I'm not so sure about that misterjonez. To me he doesn't look the same physically. He had almost nothing yesterday. No zip. Very little accuracy. He made a few throws, but he just didn't look the same. He may not have the "it" that Brady has, but I don't think yesterday had much to say about it. I don't believe he physically can do it throughout a full season anymore. If he can, he sure didn't look like it this year. Maybe it was a specific injury or maybe he's done. Only he knows that, but my guess is that he gets a shot in that neck area almost every day. Again, only a guess. I would also guess that he would have won more SB's had he played in NE (not than Brady necessarily, but maybe close).1 month 1 week ago

SABR Matt: GB's O-line and D-line are both horribly inconsistent...Seattle may have chances to get pressure on Rodgers...and if they do, I assure you...they will get to him. :)1 month 1 week ago

misterjonez: I think there has to be something to the whole storyline about Peyton lacking *something* that Tom Brady has. I have no idea what that could be but, without employing too many cliches, it's clear that for whatEVER reason, Peyton isn't the Top Dawg in playoff football. Still, he's one whale of a quarterback. As for Dallas going down, yeah, I fell quite a bit better going up against GB at CLink than I did about Dallas coming to town again. It's just a much better matchup for the Hawks; GB's run defense is going to have trouble with our hydra in the backfield.1 month 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Good news this weekend...glad to see Dallas go down in flames and equally glad to see Eli Manning choke in the clutch yet again.1 month 1 week ago

MtGrizzly: "NFL.com, the league’s official website, reported Saturday that the Seahawks are so serious about getting that done that they are prepared to make Wilson the highest-paid quarterback in the league."1 month 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I don't think Zobrist and Escobar make the As contenders, no. Their lineup is still awful1 month 2 weeks ago

MtGrizzly: Is this what it would look like if Beane started going all 'Howard Hughes' on us?1 month 2 weeks ago

mojician: Beane must have escaped from the space dungeon where they had him locked.1 month 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Robertson is most like Taylor, I would suppose, though because Taylor wasn't a first round pick he wasn't as highly rated. Robertson was also a prep choice, so he's still growing into his adult production. Can't figure out what Beane is doing with all his top guys, I guess. Seems like very short-term returns when he's already (apparently) decimated his short-term potential.1 month 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: So, Zobrist and Escobar to the As, Jaso heads back to Tampa. The As kicked their most recent top SS prospect Robertson in as well. So nope, I still can't figure out the plan in Oakland.1 month 2 weeks ago

Spectator: Re possible Daniel Robertson comps among M's prospects. Julio Morban hit really well in the Cal League at 20, but struck out 20% and obviously was not a shortstop. Ketel Marte was in AA at 20, but I'm not sure he could slug .471 if he were allowed to hit from second base. In other words, A's gave up a lot.1 month 2 weeks ago

Spectator: Zobrist and Yunel Escobar to A's for Jaso and two prospects. Daniel Robertson is ranked No. 1 in A's system by MLB.com; Boog Powell (not the old Oriole) was No. 11 but is coming off a drug suspension. Robertson is a first-round pick coming off an .871 OPS at High-A at age 20 as a shortstop. Only struck out 14.6% of PA. That's high calibre stuff, Cal League notwithstanding. Can't think of a recent Mariner prospect who would compare to that. Interesting that Jaso goes full circle back to his original team.1 month 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Interesting Lonnie.....Of all the M's bat/glove prospects, those 4 would probably be the ones that I would think will first make it to Safeco. Hicks included, as long as we don't sign a veteran catcher.1 month 2 weeks ago

Lonnie of MC: I know I'm getting into this conversation late, but concerning Geoff Baker and the HOF vote, I happen to know for a fact that Baker believes that Gar was juicing at least for one season with the M's.
Also, the M's have John Hicks, DJ Peterson, Patrick Kivlehan, and Ketel Marte in Virginia right now going to a MLB prep camp where they will learn how to handle their money, how to deal with the press, and get the low-down on what to expect. With that in mind, you gotta think that the M's are thinking that Hicks will be seeing time at the MLB level at some point this year. I'm hoping for a September call up rather than something stupid like an injury...1 month 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Ryan Lavarnway is again available as a BU catcher. Shield you eyes from his ugly '13 and you can see a decent prospect who can wear a 1B glove, too. He was a pretty good thrower in the minors but in the bigs he's only thrown out 16% of the guys running on him. I don't know anything about his pitch framing. He would be an offensive upgrade over Sucre, likely. he's hit in 'AAA and shown some bat (minus '13) in the bigs. Perhaps a defensive slide, however. Worth a minor leage contract...but he's likely to get something better from someone else. If Zunino were to get 15-Day'ed, those 15 days of Sucre's bat would be pretty ugly, unless we're ready to give Hicks the call this year.1 month 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Martinez was indeed a decent third baseman in 1992. After which he severely injured himself in ST and was never the same in terms of speed and range. I remember a game in which Martinez collided with I believe John Marzano? It was some back-up catcher. While he was playing first base...and I remember Piniella saying they weren't going to make him field again after that happened because it was too risky.1 month 2 weeks ago

Bat571: Hopefully, Randy and Junior will keep up the drumbeat that Gar was as essential to the Ms success as they were - and even more so, when you consider that 2001 was after Randy, then Junior, and then A-Rod had left, leaving Gar as the real heart of the team and lineup.1 month 2 weeks ago

Bat571: Gar was actually a decent 3B, but there were some near-misses going after pop-ups, and then the really bad hamstring tear while running the bases. After that the Ms pretty much kept him at DH, and he kept his hammies warm on the stationary bike between ABs, rather than being in the partial squat every inning at 3B. But I have little doubt that he could have continued to play 3B or 1B IF THE OFFICIAL RULES OF BASEBALL had not allowed the other solution.1 month 2 weeks ago

Silentpadna: He tweaked his hammy really bad playing up at BC Place in Vancouver one time. I remember that being a big deal. A lot of players complained about that place. At that point, the M's decided (smartly) that DH was a better risk. Again, had the position not been there, he would have played the field. He did come the majors a 3B, blocked for a few seasons by the immortal Jim Presley I believe.1 month 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Well, didn't the Mariners try Martinez at first base a few different times, only to have him spike himself or run into the catcher or trip on the base or some other retarded thing each time?1 month 2 weeks ago

Silentpadna: If you can't have DH's then you shouldn't have AL pitchers. The DH debate is stupid on its face. Does anyone think that if the DH didn't exist, that Gar wouldn't have played? Most of these guys making opinions on the subject can't even peal back the layers of their own thought processes - which is common in all debates, not just this one...1 month 2 weeks ago

diderot: Gordon, no need to qualify the Baker reference. He isn&#039;t a devil&#039;s advocate--journalistically, he is the devil. There is no story more important (in his mind) than he is.
The check on this: historically, how often has he been right...as opposed to how often he&#039;s been wrong? He&#039;s sad.1 month 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: The HOF is discredited wholesale by the inclusion of Red Farrell (ACCIDENTALLY elected)...from that moment on, there was never any reason to take it seriously.1 month 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Yeah, everybody has some quirks and biases, Baker fewer than others IMHO. We even heard John Clayton say some mindless stuff* on the radio the other day. There were a few years when I argued that Rod Carew wasn't a great player. Geoffy's position on Edgar -- one of the two of us is just spacing out. :- ) … that said, Edgar has already gotten 1,000x more glory than any mortal man, including any of us here, and I don't weep for him. Never understood the saber dudes who tweet "I'm going to spend the next year working my buns off for Joe Shlabotnik's HOF case."1 month 2 weeks ago

Cool Papa Bell: It's really something that we can have relief pitchers in the Hall but we can't have even one DH.1 month 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Bonds, Mantle, Pujols, Big Mac, Dick Allen, Willy Mays, Big Hurt, Frank Robinson, Hank Aaron, Man-Ram, Miguel Cabrera (for now), Bagwell, and Stan the Man Musial. That's the ENTIRE list of guys who outhit Edgar since 1950. Excepting steroids and being a jerk, are they any numbers reasons why ANY of those guys shouldn't be in the HOF? At least half of them are inner-circle dudes who are THE legends of the last 75 years. Allen's career was too short at only 7300 PAs, maybe, but Gar had 1300 more than that. I dunno man - I understand the NL hates the DH, but it's been a position longer than I've been alive, so I guess I have trouble with that argument. The one that Gar isn't worthy is even harder to grok.1 month 2 weeks ago

KingCorran: That being said - thanks for the excellent breakdown on where Geoff is coming from. That greatly simplified and clarified my understanding of his opposition!1 month 2 weeks ago

KingCorran: DHing to stay healthy never made any sense to me. Isn't 1B an insanely easier defensive position, with greatly lowered risk to health? We don't dock an SS or OF from HoF consideration when they have to move to 1B later in their career. I don't see why DH should be a significantly different thumb on the scale of 'health gained' just because we don't SEE them out there saving their poor limbs every other half-inning.1 month 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Geoff is a hardcore stat counter and devil's advocate. Gar doesn't have the longevity or counting stats he wants, and if you counter with "But his rate stats are LUDICROUSLY high" he'll tell you that it's only because he was DHing to stay healthy or, ironically, that Gar didn't start off young enough for his growth curve to show in his big-league stats (ie, they are artificially inflated because he began his Major League career near his peak). So you can't win. Some people just hate the DH, or prefer longevity over yearly impact. For the years Gar played, there were maybe three RH hitters on his level: Big Hurt (HOF), Bagwell (Andro is keeping him out atm), and Man-Ram (roids). Pujols started his career at the end of Gar's, McGwire wasn't as good... almost nobody was as good. Maybe he'll have better luck with the Vet Committee.1 month 2 weeks ago

KingCorran: Granted, the man couldn't find 10 worthy candidates to vote for on this year's ballot (allowing for the no-steroid position). But if Geoff, whom we tend to hold in such high regard, can work here this long and remain unpersuaded... it's an uphill battle for anyone else from the East Coast who doesn't have the local ties.
Shoot - I still can't believe that a detail like '4th-all-time RH OBP' doesn't end the conversation by itself.1 month 2 weeks ago

KingCorran: It's going to be hard to convince the electorate-at-large if we can't even convince Geoff Baker.1 month 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: The HOF shouldn't care about east coast bias...the HOF should be fair. It isn't...but it should be.1 month 2 weeks ago

jemanji: "If you have to be an immense offensive talent to get in as a DH, then Gar qualifies easily" -- that's a showstopper. How much better a hitter did you want him to be? How much better was it *possible* for him to be? … And: wearing one unie, for your whole life, is and should be a big thumb on the scale. Would help if the unie had been Baltimore's or Boston's, rather than Seattle's.1 month 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: There were three incredible RH hitters in Gar's prime: Him, Big Hurt, and Bagwell. They did things right-handed bats almost never do - incredibly rare and amazing hitters. There's no good reason all three shouldn't be HOFers, except for some selective biases on the part of writers. With the reduced waiting time, Gar won't get that lucky, late sympathy that for some reason put a hitter like Jim Rice in the HOF (53rd in wOBA since 1950, 74th in wRC+, but oh yeah, "most feared hitter of his era." Gar SMOKES him in everything but field time and East Coast presence). With Randy this year and Griffey next year, some true legends can stump for the most under-rated Mariner on those teams. Let's hope it starts to make a dent. Gar deserves better.1 month 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Love the Big Unit stumping for Gar, but he shouldn't have to. Gar's career OBP is 4th ALL-TIME for a RHP. Since I think WAR adjustments for DHs are stupid, let's look at wOBA and wRC+: Bagwell and Gar are 56th and 57th all-time in wOBA+ at .405. In wRC+ they're 31st and 34th respectively. Since 1950? Gar is top-15 in both (7000 PAs - he's top 20 with a minimum qualifier. I ain't cutting people out to make him look better, he just IS better). Everybody ahead of him is either in the HOF (mostly inner circle), should (or will) be, or was a 'roider (and still probably should be in as well). Tons of people behind him are also in the Hall. If you have to be an immense offensive talent to get in as a DH, then Gar qualifies easily. Guess I have to wait on Ortiz to East Coast his way in first. Bagwell is rotting for no good reason too.1 month 2 weeks ago

Bat571: The other possibility (pace Moe) is to try to get Craig and Butler from Boston for somebodies like Guerrero, Marte, and Leutge (need to clear some 40-man slots) and then see what interest there might be for Ackley in getting other prospects from, say, the Braves, who are still very RH, Then use Craig in RF and as LoMo insurance similar to the idea of using Zobrist. The OF defense wouldn't be quite as good, but Craig can play a decent RF if he's running OK. But it looks to me like it's still worth trying to get a RF, even at the cost of Ackley, to solidify things. And I agree that Zobrist fits to a "tee".1 month 2 weeks ago

Bat571: It'd be a cleaner move for the Ms if the Rays would do Ackley + a low-level C/C+ arm for Zobrist, but I doubt they'd do that with Ackley entering arb with Boras as agent - he's not going to save them much. But putting the Smith/Ruggiano platoon in LF and Zobrist in RF, with Cruz playing enough to let Zobrist give breaks to Cano and Seager would be a much better defensive OF in my view.1 month 2 weeks ago

Bat571: The Red Sox have DFA'd Dan Butler, a 28 yo AAAA catcher with a tiny bit of remaining upside, but not in the class of Christian Vasquez, their catcher-of-the-future, or Blake Swihart, so he's now excess. Might be a nice get in trade for someone like Leutge or Bawcom, since Bawston is looking for BP arms still, and put him in Tacoma for insurance. His rep is solid defense and some bat, but not any kind of star. Might be a nice interim backup, though, until Hicks is ready.1 month 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Sickels is notorious for being stingy...but I still don't think a one year rental is such a bad thing in this case1 month 2 weeks ago

csiems: Sickels is about to come out with his M's rankings with Peterson a B+ and Diaz a B. That's not gospel, but if he is at all indicative of how other teams view those players, two B prospects would be about right for Zobrist. Especially in this year when the M's are going for it.1 month 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I don't really care about giving up Edwin Diaz...the question to me is...do I do Peterson + for Zobrist. I think I would, but it would be close...and I think I'd want to extend him. BTW, for those of you who claimed that Zobrist wuold accept a QO...you are just not correct and the proof is Michael Cuddyer. No one has ever accepted the Qo. Ever. No reason to believe Zobrist would.1 month 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: I would probably have been willing to make that deal for the 20-something Upton, knowing I'm gonna get to extend or QO him. I definitely would have done it for 2 years of Upton. But for one year of 34-year-old Zobrist, who would likely take you up on the QO if you were to give it to him for his age 35 season now that his power seems to be waning? Not sure I'd do that. Not necessarily because I believe in DJ (I like him quite a bit, but he doesn't make me swoon like a 9 year old girl at a Bieber concert) but more because DJ and Diaz should get me more. Maybe they won't... but then maybe I don't trade em. ;-)1 month 2 weeks ago

Bat571: Question: If getting Zobrist for the one year and a chance to extend him or QO him requires, say, D.J. Peterson and Edwin Diaz, is that a trade the Ms should make? I'm inclined to yes, because of what's coming along with those guys, but it's a high price, nonetheless.1 month 2 weeks ago

mojician: Re: Johnson non-unanimous vote: Yeah, its that kind of stuff that tarnishes the hall of fame. The voters have become a bigger story than whoever actually gets in.1 month 2 weeks ago

John Pierce: Even though the Big Unit amassed on of the highest % totals for induction, what morons decided not to vote for him? The old adage that, since Babe Ruth didn&#039;t get 100% of the vote nobody else should, needs to be put to rest. It&#039;ll be interesting to see what % Griffey will receive next year.1 month 2 weeks ago

Spectator: Unit 97.3% HOF no surprise. Edgar had slight uptick from 25.5% to 27.0% after dropping prior two years. Probably doesn't mean much. Fun at the bottom: Aaron Boone two votes! Huh? That's one more than Darin Erstad. Everyday Eddie Guardado gets zero votes. Thought he might get a vote for teaching JJPutz the splitter. Not really.1 month 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Interesting: The Rays and free agent outfielder Colby Rasmus have had discussions, reports Jon Morosi of FOX Sports (Twitter links). A Rasmus signing could become more likely in the event of a Ben Zobrist trade, Morosi adds. In that case, the outfield/DH rotation would consist of Rasmus, Kevin Kiermaier, Desmond Jennings, David DeJesus and Steven Souza.1 month 2 weeks ago

Bat571: The response commentary by MLBPP himself and that by Matt Garrioch is well worth the effort.1 month 2 weeks ago

Bat571: All the activity is at John Sickels' site as he prepares to release his Mariners' prospect analysis. There's also an interesting FanPost there by MLBProspectPulse on prospect analysis. The post itself is fairly straightforward, but the commentary is alternately insightful and ridiculous - the better comments would be an interesting discussion here, but ~1/2 is garbage. But interesting to pick through, nonetheless.1 month 2 weeks ago

zumbro: Is time standing still or has absolutely nothing occurred since DaddyO shout from two days ago?1 month 2 weeks ago

diderot: Added coverage and analysis are always appreciated. And something the MSM doesn&#039;t seem willing to deliver.
But I&#039;d add an entirely different wish.
I have a feeling if the community here were gathered together for a few beers (or whatever beverages are considered appropriate) there would be some world class baseball stories exchanged.
Is it possible to set up some sidebar where such things could be posted? Some days I don&#039;t want more analysis...but I can always use more baseball stories.
Just a thought...1 month 3 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Press credentials can certainly be had...but SSI would need to be labeled a press organization...something to work on?1 month 3 weeks ago

jemanji: Knowing Benihana, you'll have about half that stuff Mojo. … I don't see why G-Money can't apply for press credentials? Not unusual for bloggers to get them -1 month 3 weeks ago

mojician: We need to get G an SSI badge or something.1 month 3 weeks ago

mojician: Awesome! This is shaping up to be a fun year.1 month 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Here's a slo-mo video of Montero in action this past season. It would indeed be interesting to see how much different he could be in 2015. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n5AfHYST6E1 month 3 weeks ago

Bat571: Better yet, one of those Casio slo-mo cameras so that we call all understand Doc's analysis of balance and motion. I'd be especially interested in Montero's running and batting! If he's spent all winter working on his athleticism and has lost 35#, I'm curious if the result is promising.1 month 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: If you wanna pitch in for said high Def camea, moj, I'll see what I can do. ;) trying to get down to Arizona for Spring Training this year. Of course it's the year Lonnie ISN'T going...1 month 3 weeks ago

mojician: Also, the Spring training scout should have a continuous streaming web cam going, and a tripod and hi def camera for the end of day video clips.1 month 3 weeks ago

mojician: Things I want at DOV 2: 1. Power points with embedded audio. Is it a podcast? Is it a post? Is it a presentation? Who knows? It'll be something; 2. A Youtube channel; 3. Comet tailed parabolas tracking the baseball in all analysis videos (Can you put that in the audio powerpoint?); Pictures, MP4 video or audio and hyperlinks in the shoutbox; 4. An SSI Spring training scout with daily assignments we vote on; 5. A field FX subscription included with membership; 6. Some wind tunnel experiments involving baseballs; 7. Other cool stuff.1 month 3 weeks ago

jemanji: Quick update: D-O-V 2 is still percolatin' … Ben and I (and y'all) have been busy thru the holiday … we want to be up and full steam by the time Spring Training hits, is all. Try and do the audio shtick, Matt's and Spec's and Gordon's stuff, etc, orbiting SSI. Should be fun this year. Cheers, Jeff1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: I wanna see Montero minus the 35 pounds, according to Z.1 month 3 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Yep...I love the idea of Ackley being a 300 AB super sub...it's unlikely that the mariners would do that, unfortunately1 month 3 weeks ago

mojician: Ackley can play multiple positions, including left, 2b and 1b. He is very fast, and some months he is a very good hitter. Plus he has breakout potential. All of that makes him a fairly valuable bench guy. I like him as the new Bloomquist.1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: Drago, That may be the smart thing to do, but if Ackley can't be counted on to hit left handers, he's gone in my book. The M's, and particularly Lloyd, seem pretty committed to playing Ackley regularly. Well, unless they are trying to ease him into soft landings to build his confidence or something, but it seems pretty late for that. Ackley will probably be handed Smoak's leash this spring.1 month 3 weeks ago

John Pierce: I would like Zobrist, too, Matt. Unless, either, Miller or Taylor is sent down, we have one opening left, as far as position players are concerned. The Ms seem to want Cruz playing RF 25% of the time. With Smith taking up 60-65% out there, I suspect Ruggs will fill in for Ackley against LH pitching and Cruz doing the same thing with Smith in RF. Plus Ruggs can play CF in a pinch. Zobrist would be the perfect player to round out the lineup, especially if Bloomquist isn&#039;t ready to came back.1 month 3 weeks ago

jemanji: Dunno if it's greedy Matt -- Zduriencik is still talking as though he's got irons in the fire, both minor and major, though is not too optimistic about either -1 month 3 weeks ago

Drago: Methinks Ackley may be the one platooning with Ruggiano, rather than Smith...
Ackley in 2014 vs LHP: .212/.255/.298
Ackley in 2014 vs RHP: .259/.310/.442
Smith in 2014 vs LHP: .240/.424/.320
Smith in 2014 vs RHP: .270/ .359/.455
Obviously Ackely has more long-term upside but Smith has been a better hitter. Period.1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: The MLB GMs know Ackley can play second base. I don't think his trade value would be any higher than it is now, unless you think maybe playing second would have perked up his bat. But there's no reason to think that.1 month 3 weeks ago

misterjonez: Sure, Maurer still had upside as a BOR arm, so losing him isn't exactly nothing. But on this team, he's as fungible as a player can get. I'm not thrilled about Seth Smith, by any stretch of the imagination, but he's a solid contributor who will help the team in the OF. There just aren't any internal options for which the same can be said. Brad Miller isn't exactly a lock to outproduce Smith in '15, and I'd much rather have him manning SS than sloughing him into the OF like they did with Ackley. If they had kept Ackley as a 2B, he would have tremendous trade value - potentially enough to be the centerpiece of a blockbuster trade, like for Tulowitzki. I don't want to see the same happen to Miller if it can be avoided.1 month 3 weeks ago

GLS: I would have preferred giving up a different bullpen arm. Medina comes to mind.1 month 3 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Would love to swap Ackley for Zobrist. Don't think the rays would so that though without a pitcher in the deal as well1 month 3 weeks ago

SABR Matt: GLS...you gotta be kidding me. Why do we need eleven right handed relievers? And you would really be happy having SS manned full time by Chris Taylor?1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: What we have now is a platoon that has proven in ML at bats it can produce a .800 OPS. That's not easy to find: last season we had one. This season, we add Cruz to Cano and the platoon makes 3. With a lineup that will now offer .800 OPSes in 3 of the nine positions, and Seager besides, breakouts by Miller or Ackley would be gravy instead of essential, but even if not, we're looking at 2+ WAR each. Yeah, I'll trade two bullpen arms sitting rather deep in the depth charts for an .800 hitter.1 month 3 weeks ago

Taro: Lineup looks good now, although OF D a bit shaky. If the Ms added Zobrist they'd be scary.1 month 3 weeks ago

GLS: Don't like it. Would have much rather gone with the Miller-to-the-outfield plan than give up Maurer.1 month 3 weeks ago

IcebreakerX: The M's basically saved probably 4 million on this deal against the players available on the market. If you're an optimist, you say, "yay, extra cash". If you're a Mariners fan, you say, "extra wallet lining for Howie & friends that we'll never see on the field".1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: I like that Smith hit well in Petco, and Oakland before that. He won't be intimidated by Safeco field.1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: We don't need exciting in RF, but what we'll get is .800 OPS. For excitement, we have Cano, Seager,Cruz, Miller, some Zumball, and a splash of Ackley when he's on his 1-2 month tear. Nice thing is that Smith and Ruggiano will get on base for the mashers, and do some decent mashing themselves, especially Ruggiano. But Smith will provide some power as well.1 month 3 weeks ago

Taro: Evidence to suggest lasik has been good to Smith:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-eyes-have-it-seth-smiths-laser-show/1 month 3 weeks ago

benihana: Exactly Spec. Moved the dial away from potential and consolidated talent. The M's are better positioned to win next year with Happ and Smith. I personally don't love Smith, he's a corner outfielder who doesn't play good defense, but it's pretty clear that Smith / Ruggiano platoon is a major upgrade of another of 2014's black-holes.1 month 3 weeks ago

Taro: Smith can really hit righties, can play a mediocre LF/RF, can probably learn to play 1B, and hes signed up for two years plus a cheap option. Maurer was my favorite young bullpen arm, but I like this deal. Fills a HUGE need.1 month 3 weeks ago

Spectator: At the end of the day, we traded Maurer for Happ and Saunders for Smith. An upgrade in consistency and reliability I guess, but not very exciting when you look at it that way.1 month 3 weeks ago

Spectator: On to Smith: signed for '15 at $6.0M; and '16 at $6.75M, with option for '17 at $7.0M. Career slash vs. RHP .277/.358/.481.1 month 3 weeks ago

Spectator: Continuing down that bunny trail: Even with Maurer and with Josh Fields having a semi-renaissance in Houston, the 2008 draft has -1.8 WAR (b-ref) and the 2009 draft has +21.6.1 month 3 weeks ago

IcebreakerX: Have never been a fan of trading for meh OFs when other OFs can be overpaid for.1 month 3 weeks ago

Spectator: So while I was typing now zero Bavasi draftees left.1 month 3 weeks ago

benihana: One of our big four, who rocketed past the other big three to reach the majors only to flame-out dramatically before reestablishing himself as a bullpen maestro... sad to see him go for a platoon bat. Seth Smith it is I guess. Roster gotta be darn near finalized.1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: Seth Smith a Mariner. Did not see that coming. for Mauer. That is a great deal.1 month 3 weeks ago

Spectator: Although Maurer is actually part of the "last bad draft" (2008) and, I think the only Bavasi draftee left in the organization now that Saunders is gone (except maybe Nate Tenbrink).1 month 3 weeks ago

Spectator: Hard-throwing righties are currency, and Jack & Mac have a printing press in the basement! Capps, Pryor, Kohlscheen and Brazis already used in trades, and hardly making a dent.1 month 3 weeks ago

Grumpy: Yeah... But Mauer has the starting repertoire and recent history of starting. Just sayin I'd prefer a different "power arm" in the trade. Still it would be nice to have a complete team. Not sure I wouldn't just prefer signing Aoki though.1 month 3 weeks ago

Grumpy: Well, also let's not forget that Mauer can be a starter in a pinch as well. We still aren't super deep at starting pitcher. Definitely a reason to try and get them to go for a different reliever. That said it certainly helps complete the offense for sure. Should make for a really exciting year!1 month 3 weeks ago

SABR Matt: The bullpen pecking order now is Rodney/Farquhar/Medina/Furbush/Wilhelmson/Leone/Smith/Ilmos1 month 3 weeks ago

MtGrizzly: I hate to lose Maurer but RH power reliever is an area of ridiculous depth for this club.1 month 3 weeks ago

SABR Matt: LOL...yeah I'd rather dump Medina too, but Maurer is expendable...and we have two guys right behind him1 month 3 weeks ago

mojician: Guys who this move helps: Dominic Leone, Carson Smith. Guys who this move hurts: Willie Bloomquist, James Jones. As the Mariners acquire a real outfielder, look for McClendon to expand the playing time of "very streaky hitter" Dustin Ackley by plugging him into the supersub role to "ride the hot streaks" as it were.1 month 3 weeks ago

SABR Matt: At the cost of Brandon Maurer...this isn't even a tough question. Smith for Maurer is a great move for this club...and the Ruggiano/Smith platoon is satisfying enough. Finish it in style, Z1 month 3 weeks ago

mojician: Bruce Buffer Style: And in right field, weighing in at 210 lbs, the lefty who hits well at Petco CHAMPION OF THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRLLLD, SEEEEETH SMITH!1 month 3 weeks ago

mojician: Herald Angel style: And his name will be Seth Smith, and he will be called the final puzzle piece.1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: Funny, I was wondering just yesterday if AsCab could play right field. Maybe the Rays think he can?1 month 3 weeks ago

benihana: AsCab to Rays. Zobrist available. Get 'er done. 5 WAR plus positional flexibility on a one year deal is exactly what I want.1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: Still looking for that big trade. It may not happen until teams watch Hultzen in Spring Training.1 month 3 weeks ago

Grumpy: It seems like such an obvious move to sign Aoki. Maybe he's just refusing to taking a part-time role at this point?1 month 3 weeks ago

mojician: Sorry to hear it Matt. Famity drama is bad. But not as bad as wife drama.1 month 3 weeks ago

SABR Matt: It would be nice if I didn't immediately have to go to a wedding right after I move, deal with severe family strife, and finally see my family for the first time in a year. Sigh...still no time for me.1 month 3 weeks ago

mojician: As an SSI aficionado, I highly recommend the SSI Christmas blend, vintage December 19-27, 2014. A full bodied and satisfying blog rich in nuttiness, this selection is bursting with cheer, coupled with hints of sublime absurdity and the ever present aroma of good natured bull shtick. This is a particularly fine achievement by the SSI vintners, as Mariners shtick is out of season in December, and the connoisseur ordinarily has to settle for canned fare.1 month 3 weeks ago

Taro: Griz, mentioned that earlier this offseason. Ms actually have had a slightly below-average payroll despite having the advantages many of the high payroll teams have. Its the main reason the incomplete roster is so frustrating. There is an obvious hole on this roster and you have the money. Fill it.1 month 3 weeks ago

Taro: Ya, if anything I think hes a bit underrated since hes being scored as a below-average defender in the OF (mostly due to horrific stint in CF). Speedy guy with poor routes and an accurate arm. Overall, above-average in RF. The lack of any kind of power, and age, is probably depressing his market.1 month 3 weeks ago

IcebreakerX: Aoki's a safe bet compared to Figgins. Figgins value was from empty walks and no power. Aoki's value is mostly from his contact and his strike zone control.1 month 3 weeks ago

Taro: If hes available, Reddick would be a great fit. Beane seems to be unloading guys that are getting even marginally expensive. Great glove, extreme pull hitter, some pop, low AVG, pretty massive career RH/LH splits. Glove fits great in our park, he can cover CF, and his swing is a great fit as well. Would probably be a 3 WAR player as a platoon bat in Safeco.1 month 3 weeks ago

Taro: Sure, but hes been a 2-3 WAR OF and his market is about as strong as Cruz's last year. Potentially great value, and fills a massive need.1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: Actually, I'd prefer we work out a deal with Boston to see if we can pry Nava away. Erasmo, maybe?1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: If Beane is dealing/reloading, I'd be tempted to package something together to pry away Josh Reddick. Hmmm....Choi, Erasmo - but he'd probably want Kivlehan. I'd think about that one. Get creative, maybe do it if we can get Jaso back in the deal.1 month 3 weeks ago

rick82: Regarding Aoki, I'm a tad nervous because he looks a lot like Chone Figgins, and is right at that age.1 month 3 weeks ago

Taro: Just sign Aoki. We can't be playing Jones in RF and we need SOME kind of insurance for underperformance or injury.1 month 3 weeks ago

bsr: No more maybe washed up slugger dice rolls...please! Jack has shown zero ability to pick these guys out. Stick to what we're more successful at - play the kids, sign another big fish, or toss more smaller $ spaghetti at the wall.1 month 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: At that point we might as well go big for somebody like Cargo, who at least might have some good years left in him.1 month 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Depends how much faith you put in a small sample and a bad BABIP. Dude barely cleared .200 in his BABIP against lefties, but is hitting righties at only around a .670 OPS the last two years combined. His entire difference in OPS+ from 2013 (115) to 2014 (hahaha) was because he destroyed lefties in 2013 and was killed by them and the BABIP monster in 2014. If you think that bounces back, then you can add him - but again, he looks like he's getting pretty bad against righties. As a 1B/OF bat he could suffice - but at 10 mil a year (assuming Cleveland eats 5 mil each season) that's still a pretty steep bet. Especially if he's contracted Jason Bay Disease. If we're gonna pay prospects, I'd like a different kind of bet than the ones we've been losing these last several years. Betting on aging rebound years has not been our strong suit.1 month 3 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: Sportswriter Cafardo says Indians looking to trade / dump Nick Swisher. Indians would eat some of $30M owed over next two years. How much does Cleveland need to eat in salary for you to be interested?1 month 3 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Really chimpi.g at the bit now to do some baseball research in the new year...have three major projects to work on. Weather effects, elo ratings and a model for the off-season free agent period to better predict costs1 month 4 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Thanks for the kind words guys. It's not all bad...I have a wonderful wife who is now keeping us afloat financially and keeping me grounded. I'm going to see my family in a couple of days, thank God...haven't seen them in a year. And my mom starts physical therapy in January so I'm hoping she recovers in time to save her psyche. All of your prayers are welcome though and sincerely appreciated. Stressful times we live in!2 months 8 hours ago

DaddyO: That's tough, Matt. We went through some pretty hard times with both mine and my wife's moms in their latter years, and it's very hard when you combine physical health problems to the kinds of mental/spiritual/attitude problems that can creep in when people get a little older. Pile on the other stuff you mention, each one hard in itself and it can become downright debilitating, at a time when I'm sure you can't afford to be...debilitated. Praying for you, Matt.2 months 10 hours ago

jemanji: Ya, Matt, sure hope that you're able to find some solace in the coming week. In the meantime, may I suggest thanks-journaling as a helpful antidote. Won't turn the world into Candyland but it's better than Advil :- ) … best wishes for your Mom.2 months 11 hours ago

misterjonez: I can sympathize, Matt, although obviously not on specific issues. This was probably my least favorite Christmas in the last decade and a half, but them's just the breaks. Makes me appreciate the good ones all the more when they do come around.2 months 17 hours ago

SABR Matt: It's a combination of things...my mother took ill with a severe infection in her knee that destroyed all of the connective tissue, and she has been worryingly depressed from the lack of mobility, my wife's family is having all kinds of problems, I've been living far away from family and didn't get to see then on Christmas like I'm used to, still don't know what I'm going to do for a living now that I've moved east again, etc. I'm sure things will work themselves out, but this week was hard.2 months 18 hours ago

DaddyO: Merry Christmas to all, take care Matty. Hope whatever it is straightens out, or you are able to bend with it.2 months 18 hours ago

Bat571: It doesn't appear to me that teams trading older players with a single year left on a pricey contract are getting super-premium prospect in return -- top-ten for the team, yes, but not the equvalents to D.J. and certainly not Taijuan's equal (Andrew Heaney was about the closest in ANY trade). For a rebuilding team the Ms would seem to have some pretty nice chips without having to gut the system or trade the top 1 or 2. And if they took on all Zobrist's contract, which is pretty fair, they'd certainly help out the Rays' fiscals.2 months 1 day ago

Bat571: Merry Christmas to One and All and God Bless Us Every One!2 months 1 day ago

Bat571: If the Rays truly are taking a year to reload, perhaps Guerrero and Marte might be of enough interest to be the start of a package for Zobrist. Then maybe Sanchez or Diaz, plus Erasmo? Marlette and several others could be of interest to a team not looking at 2015, but at 2016 and beyond. And the Rays have taken quantity before - would they now? Or would they demand Taijuan or D.J. to start any discussion?2 months 1 day ago

Bilbo: That said, I believe Zobrist would be the perfect player to round out this roster and make Seattle a favorite to win it all. Rumblings today from Morosi that the Rays will trade Zobrist before Spring Training but I imagine the cost will be prohibitive given his value and ability to fill so many positions. http://t.co/588h5wfoOJ2 months 2 days ago

Grumpy: I know I posted this last year, but I never tire of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE
Merry Christmas, everyone!2 months 2 days ago

Bilbo: At this point, the OF is probably Ackley, Jackson, Miller against RHP and Ruggiano, Jackson, Cruz against LHP (with Montero at DH?). Ruggs would also serve as the 4th OF giving days off to Jackson as well. Short of getting a legit OFer at a reasonable cost, this could be a formidable OF/DH combo and certainly puts Seattle in a position of non-desperation while they wait for the reinforcements to arrive (Kivlehan/DJ followed by AJax/Wilson in a couple years)2 months 2 days ago

benihana: Really enjoyed this article at LL about the guy who I think is the M's starting RF: http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2014/12/23/7443675/brad-miller-hypothetical-outfielder2 months 2 days ago

Grumpy: For me, is avoiding a potential black hole is just as important as a big add. Maybe more important. Aoki would be cheap, not block anyone, and provide insurance at many positions: LF, RF, CF (allowing Ackley or Ruggs to take reps there if needed), SS ( by allowing Miller to play SS if Taylor struggles), keeping Cruz at DH more, and keeping LoMo at 1B more. Also good OBP at the top of the order. Don't know if he'd agree to sign up for that kind of a role though... That may be the sticking point.2 months 2 days ago

rick82: I would say, Daddy-O, there is a time when they Mariners had the most talent in the league and indeed went all out, putting all the finishing touches on a team to win it all: 1997. We traded away a big chunk of out youth to get a #2, Jeff Fassero, and a bullpen. It cost us Jose Cruz Jr., Derrick Lowe and Jason Varitek. We signed free agents Jamie Moyer and Paul Sorrento. We were very busy, went for it all, we really did. The team was solid top to bottom that postseason. The Spoljaric/Timlin trade looked pretty smart, and Slocumb was the best we could get. A first round exit was the result, a postseason nobody around here remembers or cares much for. Two bad seasons followed. I know the "window" is short, but it's a crapshoot all the same and going for it all can have repercussions down the road that will make you wonder if it was really worth it.2 months 2 days ago

DaddyO: Sure, and I can see why many think the M's are on the verge of exorcising the demons that have plagued their existence. If and when they do, I will congratulate them, along with anyone who is proven right by events, which is the best test of all opinion.2 months 2 days ago

DaddyO: Hey look, beni, I'm content that we just disagree. I just don't want my argument reduced to a caricature of what it really is. The long history of the M's doesn't necessarily DEMAND skepticism, but surely it ALLOWS that it is a reasonable opinion. At least, you know, until they start actually making the playoffs, winning 90 games most seasons, and, you know, actually join the list of the vast majority of teams that have made it to the World Series (only the M's and the Expos/Nationals haven't)..2 months 2 days ago

DaddyO: Again, the M's have taken steps to put themselves on the edge of excellence. The signings you mention point to that, as well as the need to some drastic damage control to their plummeting reputation after a decade of irrelevance. IMO, which not all will share but some do, by failing to secure a bona fide right fielder they are needlessly jeopardizing a special opportunity to actually achieve excellence.2 months 2 days ago

benihana: Yeah DaddyO I can grok that argument. I just think the M's see this as a "4 or 5 or 8" year window. And I think challenging their commitment to winning because they aren't going all in for this year doesnt jive with the facts.2 months 2 days ago

DaddyO: The real argument is whether, as Taro suggests, the M's have a window of opportunity to do something special that doesn't come around all that often, and whether the current situation warrants taking the best steps to give you the best chance to take advantage of that window right now.2 months 2 days ago

benihana: And challenging the commitment of an organization that has signed huge deals to Felix, Cano, Seager, and now Cruz and has been in on every marquee free agent bat this offseason makes me think of battered fan syndrome :)2 months 2 days ago

benihana: It's your opinion that they need a right fielder, one that I clearly don't share. Right Field is your personal bar. A bar that is constantly moving around these parts.2 months 2 days ago

DaddyO: And I salute you, sir, for your opinion. You word your characterization of my opinion in a way that I would not. I say the M's are showing a lack of will IF they do not go into the season with what a bona fide (by that I mean one with some proven track record) right fielder when it is readily within their means and their grasp to do so. They may yet do so, or they may not. Your wording of my characterization is a straw man rendering of my argument, one which sets it up for you to say I am accusing them of being cheap, and also sets it up for you as if I am holding myself up as the authority on what constitutes a bona fide right fielder. Neither of these is true. It is not a simple matter of cheapness. It is a matter of will. It is not a matter of my personal bar for a bona fide RF'er. I am perfectly willing to submit that definition to general consensus.2 months 2 days ago

benihana: You are saying that if the M's don't get a right fielder to your liking than they are cheap. That's a bias I don't think is deserved or accurate.2 months 2 days ago

Plawsable: Beni +5 for all that. C-points and recs or whatever. Everything I was thinking of saying as I read all that you did and then some. I&#039;d forgotten about Martin. The window idea doesn&#039;t really make sense when one of the 2 guys people are basing it on is 28, the other is 31 and the rest of the roster (sans Cruz, Ruggiano 34, Bloomie 36, Iwakuma 33, Rodney 37 and Wilhelmsen 30) are younger than Felix. Zunino, Morrison, Miller, Taylor, Seager, Ackley, Jackson, Paxton, Walker, Elias, Maurer, Farquhar, Leone, Smith, Luetge, Ramirez... and on into reinforcements from the minors are all younger than 28 year old Felix. So we&#039;re talking about a DH, starter (got more close) a closer (many internal options) and a couple bench guys older than Canos 31 years. What window closing? Has closing switched meanings with opening?2 months 2 days ago

DaddyO: Nobody is saying that in order to win you have to spend $200 million. That's a straw man, and along with pointing to the Bavasi years it is the auto-responder to anyone who challenges the commitment of this franchise. The St. Louis Cardinals are committed to excelling, and they don't spend $200 million. No one is calling for that. I am saying that the M's are content to get to the edge excellence but not to the achievement of it. That's a completely different argument. The long history of this franchise is replete with examples of the Seattle Mariners failing to put the finishing touches on teams that have a real chance to be the best. And usually it involves an amount of money that reeks of penny wisdom and pound foolishness. The M's may yet solve the RF problem. If they don't, this will be another example.2 months 2 days ago

benihana: The M's are committed to being a winner. 90 wins every year. Win forever. Pete Carroll style. $250 million didn't buy the Dodger's a championship. Nor did $200 million buy the Yankess a spot in the postseason. Boston's big salary was all for not. Same with the Phillies. The M's window will be open for much much longer if we continue to build from the draft and don't lock down roster spots with overpriced and underperforming vets who cost young talent to get. I'm all for going for it, just be really sure to get a star, not a civic.2 months 2 days ago

John Pierce: If the Ms were high bidders on those guys, then I think they would have no problem going to $130+ million for the right player.2 months 2 days ago

bsr: Thanks Taro. I expect another ~$10M to be added before the season starts. Ala Rodney last year which happened in early Feb. No way they stand pat at $115M.2 months 3 days ago

Taro: We haven't had a high payroll since the Bavasi days. And yes, I agree I never want to see those days again. That said, if you aren't committed to a winner now, when will you ever be? The window is NOW. Ms will choose whether they capitalize on it or not.2 months 3 days ago

bsr: GLS - great point about the Hawks and Russell Wilson. If they hadn't lucked* into getting Wilson, we have a pretty good idea of what they'd be...a not quite as good version of the 49ers. I'm sure with all the other talent on board, that they'd have found a Kaepernick-level QB to slot in. But until all the devastating injuries/criminal behavior this year, the Niners had more talent outside of QB than the Hawks. Wilson is absolutely the difference. (Even w/o Wilson though, the Hawks would be better than any AFC team.)2 months 3 days ago

Taro: The average payroll in 2014 was $121M. The Ms were at $109M. Going into 2015 we'll be paying roughly $115M if we make no other additions.2 months 3 days ago

bsr: Still not sure how we whiffed on Upton though, he seemed like the perfect final puzzle piece to cap off a strong push in 2015. With that said, it also seems evident that the M's place a high value on giving MLB playing time to their prospects. I think it's what Mather means when he says they "won't sell their soul" for short term imports...it's not the money they're concerned about, but the lost opportunity to develop and evaluate young talent with irreplaceable MLB reps. We can certainly debate the merits of any individual decision, but it does seem like a coherent overall strategy to me.2 months 3 days ago

bsr: beni - good point about the M's bidding on VMart/Martin/Melky. I don't follow these things that closely, didn't realize we were top bidder on all three. It seems likely the M's will always need to overpay FA hitters to get them interested in taking the risk of playing in Safeco. Other than changing the fences/roof policies, nothing we can do about that. Another very good reason to focus on internal development.2 months 3 days ago

benihana: I think Bill Bavasi and Matt Millen of the Lions are dead-locked in the worst General Manager of ALL TIME battle. I don't think it's possible to over-state how poorly Bavasi left this organization. Just crippling.2 months 3 days ago

Gordon Gross: Speaking of the Zduriencik plan - I may have to examine the fortunes and future of the Brewers and their farm and compare it to the Mariners. Short version: they're gonna need to luck out with arms or glove dudes, while we are still stocked to the rafters even with our company of promotions. The question with Jack was always whether we were gonna be patient enough to wait the half-decade for the reinforcements, since Bavasi left us with almost nothing. But Jack made it, and every extra year he's here is another year that we get to keep adding major league talents to the farm. He just needs to be good enough on the Free Agent and Trade sides of his job to allow the Young Talent Evaluator to do his thing.2 months 3 days ago

rick82: You make a lot of good points, Beni. If someone had told me in the early 90's that the team leaving Seattle would be the Sonics, I would not have believed them. If you are going to be a cautious team, then, I suppose, be a cautious team in the right manner. I'd have to say the Mariners are gotten pretty good at that. I suppose that sounds like damning with faint praise, but I'm pretty happy right now with where this franchise has placed itself at this point in time, and it wasn't due to luck and extreme good fortune like it was in 1995. It was planned and executed the day they brought in Zduriencik. It could have gone a lot worse. It also could have gone better. But we're in a very good place right now.2 months 3 days ago

benihana: I'd also point out that the M's were the reported high bidders on V-mart, Russel Martin and likely Melky Cabrerra. They chose to stay put or go elsewhere for reasons other than the M's ownership's willingness to compete.2 months 3 days ago

Gordon Gross: The Ms are working towards a top-10ish payroll again, now that finances are corrected. You should be able to win with a top-10 payroll. Certainly a division banner, maybe a pennant, and possibly a title. The Mets and Cubs are too inept to do it, but if you draft even a BIT and don't blow your free agent money on suckers, we should be there going forward. The Ms and their fear of cutthroat competition in favor of the bottom line annoys me, but if you have twice the resources of Beane or Yost or whoever is managing the Rays, you should be able to beat him. If you can't, maybe you shouldn't have the job. First step to winning is showing up, and at least we're finally gonna do that again. Then we'll see.2 months 3 days ago

GLS: I'm more than willing to criticize M's management and front office, but I'm not sure how useful it is to compare them to the Seahawks. The dynamics of team building in football are very different. In particular, players on long-term deals get cut when they aren't producing at the same level anymore. And there's no true equivalent to the minor leagues. I know there is some sort of a D-league in football, but it doesn't have the same level of significance in that sport as it does in baseball. Also, where would the Seahawks be right now if they hadn't lucked out on Russell Wilson in the third round?2 months 3 days ago

benihana: I'm very impressed that M's ownership has stuck with GMZ and the plan. This organization was destroyed by Bill Bavasi who had more freedom and resources. Ownership was rightly hesitant. There needs to be checks and balances so we don't go making Bedard, Broussard and Perez type moves. Wanting desperately to win at all costs is what cost us the past decade. Now is NOT the time to bring it back.2 months 3 days ago

benihana: You can dislike the M's ownership all you want. But they were willing to make KGjr the highest paid player ever, same with AROD, they signed Ichiro to a contract that would 'take down the sport', they made Felix the highest paid pitcher ever. They helped fund and operate a tremendous stadium that they continue to invest and make improvements on. They are willing to spend, they've carried very high payrolls, they've been very, very active in FA the past several seasons.2 months 3 days ago

benihana: A's went from 1931 to 1971 without a good team. They were bad from 1993-2000. They wasted their opportunity with their big three. They were thoroughly mediocre again in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, & 2011. They wasted their most recent opportunity. They play in a literally crappy stadium. Watch they will be bad again now for 4-5 years and waste their next window too. They play in the 6th largest media market in the US. Over the last 15 seasons they have the 4th lowest payroll.2 months 3 days ago

bsr: DaddyO - great posts on the M's culture, though I think "soul-sickness" is a little strong :) I think they remain as always a somewhat rudderless organization with no real owner willing/able to take big risks, and as a result they make a lot of "safe" decisions. Even the big outlays are pretty safe bets - Felix/Cano/Seager, signing Cruz after he'd proven himself not before, etc. I am sure that Lincoln/Mather et al are self-aware enough to realize this and they probably decided that their best strategy given the situation, is to win via the draft and development (which Z is sustainably good at). And it nicely dovetails into their "proud" self-image of doing things the "Mariners way". I think that's sensible, however I do want to see them spend the "safe" money they have on hand - which I don't think they have exhausted this offseason yet but someone needs to run the numbers.2 months 3 days ago

bsr: Does anyone know roughly where 2015 payroll stands with the current roster? Including full 40 man, amortized signing bonuses etc etc.2 months 3 days ago

Taro: Ages of core highest paid players in 2015: Felix (29), Cano (32), Seager (27), Cruz (35). We need to capitalize now while these guys are in their primes. I say we have a good 2-3 year window and then we will need to either retool or rebuild depending on how the rest of the team develops.2 months 3 days ago

Taro: In 2017 we have $76M tied to four players, and then $84M in 2018. All will be well into their 30s either than Seager. That pretty much only leaves money to lock up your own guys and fill in the holes. Meaning we need cheap regulars all around and we MUST have success from our farm either through direct production or by trading for cost-controlled players to maintain success. Its possible, but not likely. Our strongest contending window is RIGHT NOW. If you don't buy in now, when?2 months 3 days ago

Taro: Ms have a history of maintaining a mid-range payroll, and with 60-70% of the payroll locked up in 3 players for the next several years we've basically committed to our core team and will have money to maintain the current core plus whatever the farm produces. We're locked in. Love the Seager deal, but he would have been a lot sweeter at 30-40% of the price, which is what he would have costed two years ago. If its Tampa, they would have never sat on him this long. Got to identify the core early and lock it up.2 months 3 days ago

Taro: DaddyO, exactly what I feared after the Cruz signing. Were they going to back it up? History tells us they weren't so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Same feeling I had last year after the Cano deal. They failed to make the follow-up moves. The team feels incomplete.2 months 3 days ago

DaddyO: To me this is not an argument about a particular signing, a particular (high) payroll budget, anything like that. It is an organizational soul-sickness that has manifested itself repeatedly in the history of this franchise. It is as if they have the drive to go so far...and then no more, a compulsive hesitancy to go from the edge of greatness to greatness. This is all very subjective, I know. But one can't help but notice this behavior repeated over the life of this franchise.2 months 3 days ago

DaddyO: beni, at least A's fans haven't gone decades between good teams. And I'm not so sure about the "so two years ago" assertion. I could be wrong, but I'm not so sure that the current push to restore competitiveness doesn't in the end suffer from the same sickness that sunk the Piniella years. If so, it will eventually sink the Zduriencik years.2 months 3 days ago

DaddyO: The M's have their priorities bass ackwards. Think the Seahawks are making money hand over fist? You BET! Think things are tidy in Seahawks land? No way. They set a goal, the brought in the guys to get it done, then handed them the reins to get it done. Nothing, NOTHING will stand in the way of them pursuing football championships.2 months 3 days ago

DaddyO: One can't help but get the feeling the M's are a highly conflicted organization, with multiple unresolved aspirations fighting to express themselves in the context of a committee that subsumes and boxes in all expression. We want to win now, but we want to contend always, but we want to stay within strict financial guidelines. We want to build through the farm (mostly to keep payroll reasonable, but also because we believe in it), but sometimes we need to swallow hard and sign expensive free agents (because building through the farm doesn't always work well), but we don't wan't to get stuck with fat, unproductive contracts). Etc., etc. It strikes me that part of this is due to an ethos of avoidance rather than an ethos of pursuit, at least when it comes to the baseball side of things.2 months 3 days ago

benihana: How'd y'all like to be an A's fan? The M's have re-upped their home grown talent, brought in marquee free agents like Cano and Cruz, and been in on nearly every bat available this winter. Sure, they stuck to their principals and weren't willing to dramatically overpay for Vmart, Russel Martin, Melky, Kemp and Upton - but I think the whining about ownership competing is so two years ago.2 months 3 days ago

Gordon Gross: And I agree with CPB - we've got the cash to extend people or add FAs that the Rays do not have. If we're winning and the gate gets huge again, there will be even more cash. Tampa can't match that - Florida is a terrible baseball market. We can extend our own later, and don't have to sell off every guy in his final arb year in order to stay afloat. We just need a steady influx of minors talent to make the contracts palatable for the bigwigs. Jack and Mac are perfect for that. Just need to add the right FAs around the kids.2 months 3 days ago

Cool Papa Bell: "If the Ms want to emulate that they needed to extend Seager earlier and they need to extend guys like Zunino, Miller, and Paxton RIGHT now before their prices escalate." No, they don't because the M's have far more money than the Rays. The M's are pefectly capable of competing every year without mimicing the Rays.2 months 3 days ago

moethedog: Bat: Ackley for Gattis would be wonderful....but we would have to add nice prospects to get that done.2 months 3 days ago

Taro: The Rays are also typically geat great returns for their players prior to losing them to FAs. They're sort of the model of building a consistent contender, but it gets harder without top picks and consistently losing players like cheap Prices and Zobrists.2 months 3 days ago

Taro: Consistently contending is difficult. You basically have to do what the Rays do and extend your core as EARLY as possible. The Rays did this with Longoria, Shields, Zobrist, Moore, etc. You lock these guys up for several years at cheap. The are also willing to sell low on high profile prospects if they think its the right move: Young and Myers. If the Ms want to emulate that they needed to extend Seager earlier and they need to extend guys like Zunino, Miller, and Paxton RIGHT now before their prices escalate.2 months 3 days ago

Gordon Gross: DaddyO - I've always said the reason I have been reluctant to fire Jack even when he was struggling to add a single decent free agent is because the only hope the Ms have of really winning a World Series, IMO, is to do it from within. Find a couple of stars internally, and then add a solid plus piece (or two) from within annually. Use the budget to keep the 90s Indians together and hope to win that Game 7. The Ms added Junior, Omar, Gar, Buhner (trade), Randy (also trade) and Tino all within a couple years of each other. Then it took them a few more years to get it together as they added pieces like Blowers and Nelson. A couple years later they tacked on A-Rod. We're gonna have to do that again, pretty much - so all hail the farm, and overcoming the front office reluctance to set their hair on fire and charge down the hill with enough sheer talent that we overwhelm the opposition anyway.2 months 3 days ago

Taro: The thing is the Ms aren't even setup to be consistent contenders with the moves they've made the last two offseason. Felix, Cano, and Cruz are win-now players. We have 2-3 year window.2 months 3 days ago

jemanji: Agreed Daddy-O. Fans can sense the difference between what Carroll and Schneider want, and what the M's shot callers want. "As long as we're top 10" is, to me, is legitimately selling your sports soul. The only thing the a pro sports team SELLS us is an ostensible fight for primacy. … Would the Mariners EVER deliver the experience the Seahawks are currently delivering? That it's not enough even to be the best; we are trying to create a "Mariner Hangover"?2 months 3 days ago

Bat571: Also, I wonder if the Ms could get in on a 3-way if the Padres try for Hamels from Philly - the Padres get Hamels, the Ms get Myers + a Padres prospect, and the Padres send a top prospect or 2 to the Phils and the Ms send them Ramirez, Guerrero, and Marte to complete it. The Ms get Myers for ~prospects only.2 months 3 days ago

Bat571: Tonight Guti was 0-2 in 3 PAs - was HBP on the 3rd PA and was replaced just after. Hope it was just precautionary, He's got 6 hits so far - 4 2B and 2 HR among them. If he can play enough, I'd really like to see him on the Ms bench - it makes using Cruz in the OF more palatable, because you know Guti can go in if it gets late and close.2 months 3 days ago

Bat571: At this point, I hope the Ms trade Ackley for Gattis (the Braves need LH hiittng and a 2B this year that can go to LF if/when Peraza is ready) and then sign Guti to a minors deal and let it all shake out in camp. Let Miller and Guti rotate in the outfield and Gattis rotate between DH and C with Cruz then rotating with Ruggiano and Guti in RF. Yes, a LH hitting OF/1B type would be nice, but flexibility among the bench guys is nicer. Then use the I-5 shuttle to give McClendon the illusion of 13-man pitching staff, even if there are 4 SP / 8 RP OR 5 SP / 7 RP on any given day - and then use 6 SPs and 10 RPs to fill it.2 months 3 days ago

bsr: Sounds to me more like they don't trust Z to pick the right "Civic" rental players to bring in. He's shown no particular aptitude for it, so it's hard to blame them. They know he's good at the draft, so they're building the strategy around his strengths. At least that's the less cynical interpretation, but I do think it's reasonable.2 months 3 days ago

DaddyO: That sounds a LOT like Howard Lincoln and Chuck Armstrong. Back when we actually were contenders in the Lou Piniella era, serious Mariners fans grew extremely frustrated because management was content to contend but would never add the final pieces to actually go for it all. Ten years of utter non-contention makes us salivate just to be contenders, but it won't take too many years of routine contention before we again clamor for an "in it to win it" approach.2 months 4 days ago

rick82: Hey bsr, it sounds like, according to Kevin Mather, we probably didn't match SD's offer for Upton. Here's a snippet from a radio interview he did for Softy on KJR (courtesy of Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times: “Give me 90 wins and I will take my chances every year. We should be going to the playoffs on a regular basis. To go on a 10-year slide where we don’t even sniff the playoffs is unacceptable. But I tried to downplay the year because it been so long. – I said lets play competitive games in September. Because I didn’t want people to overreact to 85 wins or 83 wins. That’s great progress.”
“We aren’t going to sell our souls for this year. We want 95-97 wins for the next four or five years.”2 months 4 days ago

bsr: I wasn't aware of how terrible Billy Beane has been at drafting recently. From 2009-12, where Z has drafted Seager, Ackley, Franklin, Taijuan, Paxton, Miller, Taylor, Zunino, Leone...Beane has drafted Sonny Gray, AJ Griffin, and...yeah. That's about it for MLB contributors. Plus Mike Zunino lol (in 2009 29th round). Granted some of Z's wins were high picks that Beane never gets a crack at, but still.2 months 4 days ago

bsr: Thanks Rick. Drayer uses the word "interesting" about a dozen times in that article. I would have substituted some other adjectives.2 months 4 days ago

rick82: Want to be a Big League journalist? MLB is looking for a Mariner stringer: details here: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=251312 months 4 days ago

rick82: Typo, LoMo's wRC+ was 110 last season, not 100. I feel better about the 117 prediction, after having corrected that.2 months 4 days ago

bsr: Has any Seattle reporter found out why we didn't get Upton? If Seattle had landed him with a package equivalent to the players SD sent out, M's fans would feel like the next 5 Christmases had come all at once. Not a single marquee or remotely MLB ready prospect in the deal. And Atl traded him to another NL team. I just don't get it at all. I would like to hear that he still refuses to come to Seattle or something, to make me feel better.2 months 4 days ago

rick82: I don't know how Stanley Steamer calculates these things, but Ackley and LoMo are similar in that they are nearly the same age, both had excellent rookie seasons, and then spent the next three or so seasons on a slow climb back to the heights from which they fell. Ackley's wRC+ went from 117 as a rookie, to 75, 87, and 97 respectively. Steamer says it's gonna be 102 this season. Nothing overly optimistice there. LoMo went from 129 in 2010 to 116 in 2011 and then to 90, 96, and 100 last season, and Steamer predicts 117 this season. Steamer apparently sees continued gradual movement upward in both cases, although LoMo is given a higher projection, probably due to that he started his career higher. Anyway, in both situations, we aren't talking about guys who are moving in the wrong direction, or bouncing around, or both *cough billy butler cough*. We're talking gradual movement to a level they already proved they could do. Taylor....yeah, who knows.2 months 4 days ago

SABR Matt: Anything short of adding am impact bat top RF is an abject failure foot the mariners.2 months 4 days ago

Taro: Yeah, I agree with you that theres an argument for keeping your SP.. but young pitching does bust at a much higher rate than young hitting. Looking at Walker in particular, I'm concerned about his motion and injury history. I like his ability, but I wouldn't be afraid of dealing him for the right hitter. Even if we don't go that route, I think we at least need a cheap, value, plug-in vet like Aoki.2 months 4 days ago

Taro: I think its precisely because of the fact that we've seen their downsides that we can't be banking on them as reliable assets. In 2012&2013 combined Ackley was worth less than 2 WAR combined and hit for an OPS in mid-600s. From 2011-2013 Morrison was basically RL. Taylor had a K rate over 25% and an ISO of .059 in 2014 as a small MI. These guys are projected by Steamer to be worth 5.5 WAR combined for us next year. Theres upside potential here, but also massive downside that we need to be prepared for IMO.2 months 4 days ago

rick82: Good points, Taro. But we must remember that the Mariner mantra is "you can never have too much pitching" and not "you can never have too many exciting outfield prospects." One or two is usually more than enough of the latter. So, I don't see this trade ever happening. :-)2 months 4 days ago

Taro: Its true Myers is relatively unproven as well, but it adds another long-term OF piece which gives you some options if one of your position players don't pan out. You then have an extra option with Miller covering at SS in case Taylor doesn't pan out, and covering OF in case any of the options there don't pan out. Myers was worth 2-3 WAR in 88 games in his ROY year in 2013. His BABIP was high and he didn't play good D, but can you imagine how we'd feel about him if he did that as a 22-year old in Mariner uni?2 months 4 days ago

rick82: I don't get this "unproven" label on some of these guys, Taro. I don't think Miller, Ackley, or LoMo are "unproven". We know what they are able to accomplish at a minimum level. Frankly, I think you're just as likely, actually more likely, to get 2-3 WAR from Ackley or Jackson as you are from Myers. Myers hasn't done anything Ackley didn't do in his first two seasons with us. I'm not sure why you think you can bank on 2-3 WAR. How's he more bankable at this time for that than Dustin, Justin and Jesus were? If we're talking tools and scouting and minor league stats here, we have enough of that already. Man, if we couldn't count on Franklin for Jackson to work out, why on earth would we want to count on Myers? Who's more proven than Austin Jackson?2 months 4 days ago

Taro: Nothing wrong with holding onto your players, but we need to be realistic as not all of these guys are going to pan out. That's just the reality with prospects. I think being a former scouting director, Z wants to win with 'his' players. That's fine, and the core can be built off of it, but you need to be willing to deal a player if its the right move.2 months 4 days ago

rick82: In other words, if we're playing Stars and Scrubs here, get me a Star. Got plenty of scrubs.2 months 4 days ago

Taro: I'm not sure Myers is great bet to be a star, but I think he's a fairly good bet to average or above-average player (good power, decent walks, below average contact, below-average D in a corner). I'd deal Walker for that, considering the injury risk. Rather have a 2-3 WAR OF I can bank on (sort of) with upside beyond that, than a potential 3-4 WAR SP that could be nothing.2 months 4 days ago

Tacoma Rain: I wonder what Coco Crisp would cost? Do we trust Jack trading with Billy??2 months 4 days ago

Gordon Gross: Which is one reason I'm sure Jack wants to hold on to his young talent, Taro. It's nice to have free replacements if LoMo tanks or either Miller/Taylor can't cut it early. But would you rather load up on the front end or prepare for rear guard action, Jack? I'm not a fan of trench warfare or waiting out the enemy. I prefer to try to win, rather than plan how not to lose.2 months 4 days ago

Gordon Gross: Agreed, if you're gonna go with youth feel free to do it at glove positions (if Miller plays some CF, that would be all three deployed that way). :-) And we'll see - there are still deals out there to be made. I'm just getting the feeling we're gonna hold our cards and roll our money to the next hand. Which would be okay, maybe, if the money actually got there.2 months 4 days ago

Taro: We basically have unproven players at every position either than 3B, 2B, DH (who will be 35), and CF (who is Austin Jackson). That's two stars, five young players, an old DH, and a CF coming off his worst year. Its a volatile roster. It could go either way.2 months 4 days ago

benihana: Zunino and Taylor don't play bat-first positions, and their defense is solid enough to expect a minimum WAR floor, even given their relative youth. Anyway, I think we all agree, get a stud right fielder. I'd work my way into a Cole Hamels -> Will Myers -> Taijuan Walker type three way deal.2 months 4 days ago

rick82: I'm not sure about Walker for Myers. I look at the two, and they are both studs, with limited MLB success. Walker is a lot younger, and I know that's different for a pitcher, but we're talking Felix debut young here. I'm haunted by Choo and Cabrera and Jones, but I'm kinda haunted by Pineda for Montero as well. We've already seen Jack trade Fister and Pineda for failed bats. If we trade Walker, I want it to be for a sure fire thing, an outfielder with a definite .800 OPS floor and some .900 upside. Like an Upton, or maybe a Choo. Let's remember Walker has 53 MLB innings and a 2.89 ERA with 46 Ks and 22 BB. And he's 21. He's a star in the making. So...I can certainly see the hesitancy. Like I've said before, I'm glad I'm not the one who has to pull the trigger.2 months 4 days ago

Gordon Gross: There haven't been a handful of teams in recent history that had more than 3 first-and-second year players in the everyday lineup and competed. Zunino and Miller are basically 2nd year players if you're looking at games played. Taylor's a "rookie." Maybe we can get by with that, if they're as good as we hope.2 months 4 days ago

Taro: I'm actually less of a fan of Rasmus than others.. Skillset of a player that ages early (reminds me of BJ Upton), and really bad fit for the park. So I understand ben's concern there. That said, I wouldn't be too worried about Seth Smith or Aoki. They seem as low risk as you can get for typical past 30 FAs.2 months 4 days ago

benihana: But that's just it G, we aren't counting on the young guns to carry the offense! That's what we have Cano, Cruz, and Seager for! They are our 4-5 WAR cornerstones. They are what allows us to play rookies in other less important positions.2 months 4 days ago

benihana: The problem I have is that if Smith or Rasmus fails (like so so many veterans have done with their first exposure to Safeco) we will not be in a position to move away from them! No options. Less flexibility. If Miller or Taylor or Ackley struggle they can get time in AAA and we can give Marte, Kivlehan, DJ, etc... a chance. Give me an everyday option on more than a one-year deal. Not a fan of the platoon.2 months 4 days ago

Gordon Gross: Platoons aren't great, ben. But a platoon stopgap to get to DJ or Kivlehan, or multiple years on an everyday hitter? I would take Cargo - he would free us up to trade one of the kids. But there aren't a lot of other everyday guys I can see available that I think are better than a platoon (especially since the Safe destroys a lot of hitters, as you say - vets or otherwise). And Cargo would require that trade of (more than) one of the kids to accomplish. We can't get him for just money.2 months 4 days ago

Gordon Gross: But we can't afford for both Austin Jackson and one of our corner OF to faceplant again at the same time. I've just been burned too often by the Mariners forcing rookie and second-year players to carry the lion's share of the burden for success, I guess. Every time we've said, "okay kid, you're the star. It's all you now..." that kid has promptly face-planted. The exception? Seager. I want to believe in Brad Miller being another Seager, and there's no bigger fan of bringing on internal replacements that I am. Maybe it would be different now that the MOTO is actually filled, and Miller can be a #2 or a #6 instead of one of the Weighty Parts of the lineup. But I feel like asking Felix whether he wants an Upton in RF or if he's good with Miller would get me a huge preference for the former. Seth Smith? I dunno. But I wouldn't bet on Miller there either.2 months 4 days ago

Gordon Gross: The shout box cuts off after 5 or 6 lines, King. :-) Keep em shorter and they should post fine. I'm not in dire need of a mega-trade, but I am in want of a better plus bridge to the future than we had last year. The Mariners want Miller and Taylor and Zunino to step up and take the reins. They want either DJ or Kivlehan to wrest 1B from LoMo in 2016. But much as LoMo is a decent, club-controlled player who can hold down the fort until those kids are ready, I want another one in RF. We have several monster OFs-in-training in the minors, including our own version of Wil Myers who's just getting started in Low A (Alex Jackson). I dunno that Miller can outhit those guys. If he's not in the infield, I dunno that Miller is the future (unless it's in CF, which we don't have. THAT training I'm OK with).2 months 4 days ago

KingCorran: Chalk me up for Myers/mega-trade as preferred option #1, followed by Rasmus, Smith, and Aoki in that order. Anything less we have no business being on the playing field.
PS - why doesn't the shout button actually work for me most of the time? Seriously, I click it and nothing. I originally wrote this comment before noon Mountain time... looks like maybe I'm shouting too much at once? =)2 months 4 days ago

KingCorran: If the M's sit on their laurels after signing Cruz (which they are NOT doing), we don't deserve the playoffs. And while I'm the biggest possible advocate of putting together a one-year solution while keeping the irons hot for Gordon/Upton in next year's FA market, I'd trade Walker for Myers in a heartbeat. Rasmus seems an elegant solution, allowing us to band-aid RF in 2015 while replacing Jackson in 2016 and still hitting that market... but Myers would be a whole different ballgame. Maybe by then we put Myers in LF and send Ackley out for parts, who knows?2 months 4 days ago

Gordon Gross: Brad had just 111 PAs to notch that 122 (or about 3 and a half weeks of game time). If he'd gone 0-for-5 in his next GAME it would have dropped his 2nd half batting average by 13 points. His BABIP in Sept/Oct was .390 to get there. That's a thin thread to rest our playoff hopes on. Seth Smith has always his oppo pitching. Brad Miller has only had a sliver of success since 2013. I'm a pretty big Miller fan, but I would rather have Smith available if ONE of our important-and-unstable lefties (Miller / Ackley / LoMo) falters. Then we can have the best three playing, instead of the only three available.2 months 4 days ago

KingCorran: I'd just like to note that we were one win away from the playoffs in a down year for much of our competition. Texas injuries, Oakland implosion, et cetera - not to mention an unrepeatable series of pitching performances... that does NOT mean we are one win away from the playoffs in 2015, simply because that's the way it shook out in 2014. We really want to bank on 88 wins being enough... especially when that translates to a one-game playoff and then a wildcard elimination?2 months 4 days ago

benihana: And where my disconnect may be is that I'm arguing 25th roster spot 5/6th outfielder when y'all are thinking 3rd OF. I just think Miller has been penciled into right.2 months 4 days ago

benihana: I also think that a dedicated platoon costs you a bench spot. Playing 24 vs 25 an entire season is probably worth what? -2 WAR? Ruggiano can back up all three outfield positions, Bloomquist can back-up 7 spots, our last bench spot needs to be someone who can play something more than COF or at least provide value in addition to bat alone. For this team I prefer James Jones to Seth Smith - more defensive flexibility plus leveraged stolen base opportunities.2 months 4 days ago

benihana: The way I see it is Brad Miller 2nd half wRC+ of 122 is your opening day starter in right field. Do I think that's a haphazard minor league platoon? Nope, I think the logo is a present and future stud. Seth Smith 2nd half wRC+ of 101 - worth two year deal plus prospects? Nope. Not enough of an upgrade for me.2 months 4 days ago

Gordon Gross: I hear ya, ben - and I'm willing to trade for Cargo too. :-) I'm not a huge fan of strict platoons as a general rule, but if the Ms are GOING to decide that a platoon doesn't make them wet themselves as much as actually trading for another multi-WAR bat, then I'd rather go with a good platoon than a haphazard minor league one.2 months 4 days ago

Taro: It really depends on who that platoon vet is, Smith would be a great add if you don't give up quality specs. Aoki would be a nice add and is an everyday guy in RF. I don't think acquiring a vet necessarily means disaster. We just signed a 35 year old DH for 4 years. Every player should be evaluated individually.2 months 4 days ago

Taro: And I'd prefer to cash in Walker for a long-term hitter. Would have dealt him for Souza+ honestly. Don't think he holds together and we have a long-term need in the OF.2 months 4 days ago

Taro: Walker for Myers might actually make sense. It seems even Pads realize they nabbed one too many corner OFs.2 months 4 days ago

benihana: Do not do the Eduardo Perez and Ben Broussard. Don't do it. Don't. Just stop.2 months 4 days ago

benihana: Of course G! M's goal shouldn't be to get into the playoffs, the goal should be to WIN the World Series. To improve their chances on doing that the M's could really use an awesome outfielder. I just don't want a not-quite awesome outfielder. Me - I trade for Cargo. Or flip Walker for Myers. I want someone who can play everyday in right field. I don't think a veteran platoon lefty helps this team. I think it locks in a roster spot and unnecessarily eliminates flexibility.2 months 4 days ago

Gordon Gross: Can we make the playoffs as currently constructed? Of course we can. We could have last year... but we didn't. We're better-constructed this year than last, but that doesn't guarantee anything. The Ms have indicated they have the money in the budget for another add, so make one that makes us better. Might be the difference between home field and road trippin... or making the playoffs and missing em. Don't play on the margin - give us some breathing room if y'dont mind. :)2 months 4 days ago

benihana: Couldn't disagree with you more Matt. The M's have a very clear shot at the playoffs as the roster stands. The 1-win away from a playoff game M's have gotten better. They patched their biggest hole at DH. While their main competition has gotten worse, much worse. Oakland's tossed in the towel. Kansas City? Dislike everything they've done and if they miss on Shields, fork 'em. LAA hasn't done anything that worries me. Detroit needs to ink Max or I'm all doom and gloom on them. Baltimore has lost out on all of their FA bats. Boston's the only team that has gotten better - and we're still projected to be better than them.2 months 4 days ago

rick82: Not sure I see the problem with these Steamer K rates and overall projections among the kiddies. Steamer is pretty much splitting the difference between Miller and Zunino's rate rates over their past two seasons. Taylor is having his numbers regressed from last season, although Steaker does suggest a drop in K rate, he's not getting any real benefit from it by Steamer. Jones' K rate is being held steady. None of these kids are being projected to give tremendous breakthroughs. They look to me like Steamer kinda expects more of the same. That seems logical if you are looking for stop loss. Go with what you've come to expect. Yeah we will carry another lefty outfielder. Lloyd will insist on it, and that's a good thing. He can be from our system is all I'm saying.2 months 4 days ago

SABR Matt: We need to carry another lefty outfielder. If we do not, I think we'll miss the postseason yet again2 months 4 days ago

Cool Papa Bell: Nelson Cruz is the priciest free agent signed by an AL West club. That means all the M's rivals are treading water this offseason which bodes very well for Seattle's postseason chances.2 months 4 days ago

MtGrizzly: Padres are said to be exploring trading Myers (plus) for Hamels.2 months 5 days ago

rjjunior: Would love Nava. However, other than Mookie, he could be the most expensive guy they have (prospect cost), due to his flexibility, salary, and years of control.2 months 5 days ago

moethedog: I assume we would have discovered the hip issue in the physical, like the Padres did. I hope we would have, anyway. Renting Upton for a year was always fine if the rent was cheap enough. Nava guys, Daniel Nava: Career .293-.385-.428 vs. RHP. Cheap (minus the swap costs), plays both COF's and 1B. Boston has to trade a guy. That .385 OBP would look pretty sweet in the 1 or 2 spot vs. RHP. I think Boston is holding Craig. Bid on Nava. Doesn't hit lefties much...even as a switcher...but that's not what we need him for. We need an COF how can play 1B, he's a nice one.2 months 5 days ago

DaddyO: As someone who has decried Jack's inability to land a bona fide RF'er this offseason, it's very possible we will eventually be glad we passed on both Kemp and Upton, Kemp because he combines arthritic hips with 5 remaining contract years, and Upton because he would be a one-year rental.2 months 5 days ago

John Pierce: Does anyone think Upton may have had a say about which team he would like to go to? We were one of the few teams on his no trade list until this year. If he did, maybe playing his contract year in sunny SoCal, on a team gearing up to win it all this year, trumped coming to the Great Pacific Northwest.2 months 5 days ago

Grumpy: Steamer is regressing down all of the young players' strikeout rates by 5%, and we have a lot of those players, and we are (currently) planning to rely on a bunch of those players. So I think that effect may disproportionately and artificially boost the Ms WAR projections. I mean really, who among us actually expected Steamer to rate the Ms as the number 1 team in the AL? Not me.2 months 5 days ago

rick82: Grumpy, if Steamer is over aggressive regarding K rates, I assume it is across the board, for all teams. I doubt Steamer is favoring the Mariners.2 months 5 days ago

misterjonez: Too bad about the Upton non-trade. We could have used that guy this year. Just for fun, can someone (Spec or Gordon - or both?!) put up what a comparable package would have been from the Ms?2 months 5 days ago

SABR Matt: for the record, counting Cruz as an OF is not smart for the purposes of evaluating the line-up...when he is in RF...there is a hole DHing. That isn't a plus for the OF. Also for tyhe record, Ruggiano is not a good baseball player to rely on for more than 200 ABs. Also for the record, Ackley is about as reliable as Pinocchio. And the final for the record, Bloomquist is terrible at baseball, and every at bat he takes for the Mariners is a sign that the Mariners failed.2 months 5 days ago

Grumpy: Steamer is possibly conservative, but OTOH They are also predicting an across the board 5% reduction in strikeout rate for *all* the young players (as Logan pointed out on LL last week). I find that prediction troubling. I think we need a real major leager in place (and not a bounce back candidate). If one of the kids blows up then we can trade somebody like Aoki to make room if necessary... He will have real value to some team should the need to make room arise.2 months 6 days ago

Taro: I don't expect each of Ackley, Jackson, Miller, and Taylor to tank, but I also don't expect all of them to succeed. Ackley was terrible in 2013, Jackson was terrible just last year. Taylor is a small guy that Ks a lot without power to compensate. He needs to BABIP himself to success. The OF is volatile. You plug Miller in RF and now SS is volatile as well. We need another player out there.2 months 6 days ago

Taro: The Ms don't need marginal vets, they need a viable solution in the RF. Jones and Romero combined for negative 2 WAR last year. The names could be different in '15, but we can't let that happen again. Zs unwillingness to plug an obvious hole in OF cost us our playoff run.2 months 6 days ago

benihana: Seager could regress, Cano could see his power completely evaporate, Lomo could flame out, Zunino could fail to improve.. the 2015 M's could be the 2014 Texas Rangers. But, planning for the 100 year storm is a waste of resources. I am all for reasonable preparedness - but like I argued earlier, for preparedness to be useful you must maintain FLEXIBILITY. Signing marginal veterans doesn't help.2 months 6 days ago

bsr: beni - not saying it's the likely scenario, it's obviously very unlikely. But, Ackley could easily be a spotty 90 OPS guy again, AJack could continue the 54 OPS Safeco parade, Miller has not proven he can play OF or hit consistently, Ruggiano could face plant to worthlessness (see Spec analysis), Cruz needs to keep his OF reps down, Bloomie is old and got injured right away last year. I am just saying, with the M's revenues there is no need to skate on thin ice like this. Jack has consistently shown a blind spot for shoring up black holes, they have killed almost every one of his teams so far.2 months 6 days ago

bsr: If you haven't read this article about Tom Brady and his incredible training and preparation regimen, it's fantastic and well worth your time: http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/10/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-age-fitness. Been calling a Hawks-Pats SB since the start of the season...another all time legend for DangeRuss to stick the knife in >=)2 months 6 days ago

benihana: BSR - riiiight. If Ackley, Jackson, Miller, Ruggiano, Cruz, and Bloomquist all go down in flaming wreckage the season is doomed! I don't see that as plausible at all. I see that as more battered fan syndrome.2 months 6 days ago

bsr: I feel pretty good that the M's have their Pete Carroll, or a good enough facsimile. Not so sure they have their John Schneider ;) Competition is great...when you have a ton of talent taking part in that competition.2 months 6 days ago

bsr: Agreed on competition, and I do trust Lloyd to make good decisions with the options he has. However, we are in a historical drought of hitting in MLB. I am not sure the M's have ANYone who is good enough to plate runs in our OF. I see a plausible and not excessively pessimistic downside scenario that we have zero good OF right now (not 1 or 2 and we duct tape it together, I mean zero and it goes down in burning wreckage and kills the season). Anyway just waiting to see who is the Rodney equivalent this offseason, because we definitely have money still to spend - there's no way we're done at this point.2 months 6 days ago

rick82: Bsr, I wanted Upton. I don't want to hire half a platoon spot. I'm fine with the M's cheating out in that regard. But we should have bid and won Upton.2 months 6 days ago

rick82: Now, I am not certain Lloyd knows how to hold tryouts. That could be a problem. Almonte wasn't ready while Saunders sat. But Elias properly won his spot and was a hidden gem Steamer didn't count on. He may do better with pitchers in that regard.2 months 6 days ago

rick82: Guess what I'm saying is I am looking forward to the competition in spring training for that left handed outfield spot. That how Pete next door finds his players - by competing daily for positions.2 months 6 days ago

bsr: rick, help me understand your argument - are you saying it is better to let the prospect soup get the PT in RF for development purposes / long term benefit, than to bring in an everyday RF who we can rely on for 2015 when we are trying to win it all? To me the OF right now seems like such an obvious traditional Jack Z black hole of hundreds of rally killing sub-replacement level AB's waiting to happen.2 months 6 days ago

bsr: Can someone explain to me why we did not trade for Upton? It doesn't seem like the Pads gave up much of anything. Heck they sent DJ Peterson's little brother, we were worried we'd need to cough up DJ. Nothing remotely as good as a Taijuan Walker. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/breaking-down-the-prospects-in-the-justin-upton-trade/2 months 6 days ago

bsr: Spec's analysis comping Ruggiano to Casper the Friendly Faceplant Wells was scary. Saying that we had a playoff spot most of last season is misleading - we had a chance to play a game to get into the playoffs most of the year (and didn't make it). The M's have the money and/or prospects to bring in a real MLB OFer. I don't see why we need to cheap out and go for scrap heap platoon guys, for the 100th year in a row. Jack has shown zero ability to pick these type of guys better than a random dice roll.2 months 6 days ago

rick82: On June 2nd last season, James Jones was sitting on a .735 OPS with a .343 OBP. I'm fairly certain anybody we decide to stick there internally will serve as a stop loss until the flaws are exposed. We aren't rushing kids like we used to do. Heck, if Morban enters spring training healthy (yeah, big if, but he's one of a number, no one we have to count on) we might find a decent, exciting third of a season from him. We can have some of our cake, and eat some of it too. Our abundance of WAR at this point in time gives us that flexibility. And, I would say that Steamer, apart from maybe Taylor, is conservative. It isn't counting on an Ackley breakthrough, nor a Miller, a Taijuan, Paxton, etc. It's low balling everyone, having located the proper floor in my humble opinion. Guys are gonna emerge, and those we are skeptical about, Steamer is merely projecting what they've already proven they can do at a base level.2 months 6 days ago

okdan: Was lukewarm on Smith, but now that we've got Ruggs, it makes a lot of sense to me. Aoki on a 2 year deal was my original Plan D preference, as it would hold things down until some of the kids are ready.2 months 6 days ago

Grumpy: Choi is interesting but not yet established enough that I'd call him a stop loss candidate.2 months 6 days ago

Grumpy: Yeah we need another guy in the OF. I'm warming to Aoki (OBP, did it in AL) as a stop loss. He should be some upgrade over Bloomquist in that role. Rasmus despite being CF capable just seems too risky, but who knows. Smith might be a Javier level add. I guess the other option is to see how pitching situation shakes out in ST, and deal from strength at that point.2 months 6 days ago

rick82: Even if we plug Choi into the RF left handed platoon slot, it won't hurt much should he tank, and we'd learn something about Choi. We played a black hole in CF all season long, at DH all season long, and at first base much of the season, and we still occupied a playoff slot most of the season. Romero, Almonte and Jones got extended looks last season, with mixed results. The main problem as I saw it was the mid season acquisitions failed, as well as Hart. Let's do a better job of that this time.2 months 6 days ago

okdan: Yup, still need a solid platoon or everyday RF in my opinion. It would be great to watch a team with some depth, where you don't spend half the summer watching a guy who should really be in AA or AAA (Almonte, Jones, Romero). If we can raise the floor, we should.2 months 6 days ago

SABR Matt: If Taylor tanks, w have no one to play right because Miller will be needed at short, Ruggiano cannot start full time, and neither can Ackley2 months 6 days ago

jemanji: Yep - if you're on the site already, and hit refresh, normally it gives you the up-to-date version.2 months 6 days ago

rick82: With Steamer saying we are at the top of the heap, we can afford to hold our fire until mid season. Even if Taylor tanks, Miller has produced at a 1.5 clip per for two years running. The team is ready to contend as is, and we can use another half season to determine what to throw away and what to keep. We won't fall to pieces for lack for half a platoon bat.2 months 6 days ago

GLS: I think the KLAT guys are still resource constrained and that's why we're having these problems. That, or they're running on Azure. :) (I'm snarky on Azure this week because of problems in my day job).2 months 6 days ago

bsr: It also seems to show old versions of the article pages - sometimes the number of comments on the tiles on the front page says X, but there are fewer comments showing on the article when I go there. I assume you and the admins are aware of all this...I'd happily pay a few shekels on DOV if that is what it costs to maintain a functioning website...the SSI issues are getting to be a bit of a hindrance to engaging with a community on here.2 months 6 days ago

bsr: Is the website/shoutbox going to start functioning properly any time soon? It still randomly cuts off large swathes of the most recent shouts seemingly at random depending on what page I'm on. And I still have to hit reload on the home page every time I visit to see the latest articles. If I just point to SSI website, it will show an old version of the site every time, on desktop and mobile.2 months 6 days ago

bsr: Why did we ever give JZ the nickname Trader Jack? I think we can safely revoke that title since he hasn't made a big trade in years. I favor the alternative "Hoarder Jack". I was curious so I looked it up - from 2009-2013, Jack drafted 234 players. Of those, he has traded 5 - Franklin (1st rounder), Capps (3rd), Catricala (10th), Brazis (28th), Kohlscheen (45th). Really only one trade of any significance. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing, or typical or unusual, but it seemed interesting to me.2 months 6 days ago

mojician: Here's the vision: The outfield on Felix/Paxton/Walker day is Ackley/Ruggiano in left, Jackson in Center, and Boomstick in right. They just take naps out there when those guys are pitching anyhow. On Happ/Kuma flyball day, Ruggiano plays right and Ackley plays left. Miller and Ackley take spot starts all over the diamond, but Miller gets at least 2 days per week at shortstop.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: So from the perspective of the seller it makes sense to deal at the moment that they think they can maximize the return. But from the perspective of the buyer, you've lost a lot of value by waiting. If you deal for Upton on July 30th instead of December, you lose 2/3rds of his season. You could have benefitted from a 4 WAR season, but you only get a 1.5 WAR season.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: I'm mostly with Matt. I think it's a pretty good bet, well real good, that either Taylor or Miller is a full-time real deal this year....but I'm not quite ready to bet on both of them as such, right out of the gate. I want to worry about Jackson, but he had been so remarkably consistent, looking at 1/2 seasons, before his 54 mariner games that I can't help feeling he'll be a 100+ OPS+ guy, somewhere in the .740 OPS range. I worry most about Ackley among our OF's, to tell you the truth. Since Jackson may leave after '15, I think I would approach Rasmus and say, here's 2 years at $8M, today only. In or out? It doesn't seem that he's getting big offers....he might take that. But a year of Aoki and a .350 OBP leading off vR would be quite palatable.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: As in regards to Upton, I think its an interesting debate. I think the Braves probably could have landed similar value at the deadline, but whatever team acquires him would have 'lost' the half season of production from Upton. Therefore, he would be significantly more expensive to acquire for the buyer even if he commanded the same or similar return.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: Rick, meant more in the context of improving our own roster. Acquiring any similarly valuable OF for a hole in RF in July will be much more expensive for us than it would be now due to the limited number of options and competition for those resources. This was what happened last July and will likely not get better. Beane's method of evaluating your team and then fishing at the deadline is no longer viable in the new market.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: The idea of rotating Cruz into the outfield only works when you have a left handed right fielder2 months 1 week ago

Taro: True, but I'd assume that we would target guys who aren't doing terrible like Morales/Denorfia were at the time. Even Hart was a bargain bin guy coming off a huge layoff. Smith is coming off a 132 wRC+. Anybody can underperform in a given year, but you want to improve your team and some insurance when you can.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Mojician...Who plays right when Cruz doesn't? Certainly not Ruggiano, who is also right handed?2 months 1 week ago

rick82: But you don't get half a season of anyone in the offseason, Taro, so I remain perplexed by this idea that if we wait, we pay more. Atlanta dealt Upton in the off season to maximize his value, right? Had they waited til mid season, they would either have gotten more, or less in return. They dealt him now, so I'm saying they must agree that a seller gets more overall value in the off season than in the middle of a pennant race. Either that, or they are anxious to play with new toys. This is the team that gave up a ton of talent to get half a season of Teixeira, so they have experience in mid season blockbusters. Yet they moved him in December. I think that regardless of the added wild card, the market has changed since then and teams don't want to give up a lot of prime talent in mid season.2 months 1 week ago

mojician: Matt, it was your point that the Boomstick likes to play outfield a lot too. Jogging to and from right field helps him knock the rust loose for his home run trot. That's already four outfielders, before you talk about James Jones.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: I think if you can get Aoki for one year, and not two, he is a good hedge you aren't married to...I don't want Taylor to be the full time starting shortstop, which means I don't want Miller in the outfield...which means we need a lefty outfielder2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Good call beni - gotta be able to be flexible in a pennant year. If Cano or Seager has a bad year, you can ride it out. if Ruggie or LoMo (or a new platoon lefty OF) collapses in the early going, you'd better find some production. And with the raft of relievers we carry to build one of the best pens in the biz, it makes it tough to mix and match.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: My worry is that your hedge, if it looks anything like the Corey Hart's of years past, is also going to have a long leash. Young guys provide more flexibility because we can option them down. This team is too deep, with to few bench spots, to carry someone who you can't easily part with. If Miller has a bad April he goes to AAA, if Seth Smith has a bad April he gets a bad May, and maybe beyond. To really hedge against the negative WAR you need someone you are willing to move off of, and nobody out there fits that profile for me at a reasonable price.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: I'm not saying half a season of Upton is more valuable than a full season, but half a season of Upton at the deadline will cost significantly more than something of similar value to half-a-season of Upton in the offseason.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: Yeah, in general mid-season deals are significantly more expensive since the addition of the 2nd wild-card. That's why we shouldn't be afraid of excess MLBers. You can always deal them at mid-season if one of your young players surprise.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: Ah, true. I didn't realize we were #1. 5 teams with 3-4 WAR though. 9 within 6-7 WAR. Don't want a unnecessary hole on our roster to cost us at the end of the year.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: beni, I consider that the same thing. If Ackley wasn't cutting it but Kivlehan could be considered ready in May, then you just bench Ackley, promote Kivlehan the wonderstud, and let him tear the league limb from limb. Because that's not a bet I'm willing to make, we need the bridge. :-) We need enough ABs to go around between guys who can be at least league-average hitters to keep the black holes away. No more Romero / Montero / Morales / Brendan Ryan performances at the plate, y'know?2 months 1 week ago

rick82: For example, had Baltimore dealt Eric Bedard at mid-season instead of when they did, do you think they had gotten more than what they got from us? Perhaps, since he had a couple more seasons, but I'm talking about rentals here, and Upton would have been a rental. Half an Upton season should cost less than a full Upton season. Do you think the Braves would have done better to wait unitl mid-season to deal him? If they thought so, they would have done so, I think.2 months 1 week ago

rick82: Deadline deals are more expensive? It makes some sense, but I'm not sure I see it. Teams buying seem to expect a discount based on the short term basis of the rental. Yeah, the A's did a significant overpay, but they were shooting for the World Series, not to make the playoffs. Competition and scarcity should play in, but it seems to me, these days anyway, that you get less if you are selling at mid-season.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: The bridge isn't hedging a bet until one of those guys are ready G - it's hedging that one of the guys we have isn't good enough to cut it. And we won't know that until midway through the season anyway.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: The only Ms hitters I would consider would be Kivlehan, DJ, and dark-horse Choi if we need a 1B/DH if either LoMo or Cruz have something happen to them. But none of them are guys I would consider in April. Kivlehan and DJ aren't ready (and I don't like making rookies do position changes in the bigs - let em work that out in the minors where they can still hit while they can figure out their fielding). Neither Kivlehan nor DJ have played more than a handful of games at 1B in their minors careers, let alone the OF. And I don't trust Blash or Montero. I don't trust our hitters for immediate replacements either Taro. I want that bridge too.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: And Taro the projections currently have the M's #1 in the AL - behind only LAD in baseball http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings2 months 1 week ago

benihana: Eh, in theory I'm not opposed to Seth Smith. I don't see him being traded as the Padres need left-handed bats, but if he didn't cost us much, what the heck. I just don't think we need a bridge. Ackley, Jackson, Ruggiano, Miller, Cruz and Bloomquist can all play the OF acceptably. And Lomo can do it in a pinch. I'm more worried about our 1b production than the OF production.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: A bridge like a Smith platoon or Aoki (and an Ackley platoon) would be fine, but the Ms need to do something to add an OF. Currently we are the #2 projected team in the AL behind the Red Sox, but we haven't separated ourselves from the pack and there are a lot of volatile young players in our lineup. Not a ton of depth in the high minors either.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: The guy who gets squeezed in the event of a Kivlehan/DJ/Blash breakout would be Ruggiano, beni. Or Ackley. Smith can platoon with one of the kids getting his feet wet as well as with Ruggiano. There's no reason a kid needs 155 games his first full year (ie, 2016) so a multi-year deal on a lefty doesn't hamper our righty kids much.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: In no way should anyone be locked into a spot on a contending team like this. As G posted over at drdetectovision the M's have Alex Jackson, Patrick Kivlehan, Austin Wilson, Tank O'neill, Gabe Guerro, Jabari's etc.. all gonna be fighting it out in the high minors. What I don't want to see is a middling multi-year guy like Seth Smith - who would eliminate the potential break out performance of all of the above.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: I still expect to bridge, Taro - a Smith/ Venable/ Murphy thing for now, and all the kids around to bring in a crusher at a (non-3B) corner later. But that requires one to be on the market. Still wish we'd been willing to front ourselves this year's money last year - how great would Jose Abreu be with this team? We'd be locked DOWN. But the Ms are ever frugal on their yearly budgets. Spend whatever income the Ms bring in during the fiscal year and no more. Someday I'm sure that'll be a benefit. Over the last decade+ it's just been irksome. ;-) I'm with you - I want more matchable hitters.2 months 1 week ago

Spectator: Here's a "menu" for you. Every LH-hitting OF who got at least 150 PAs vs. RH pitching sorted by OPS vs. RHP. Could've just kept No. 8 of course. Smith is No. 10. Note how Endy is No. 21 (one spot ahead of Rasmus) and ahead of "name" guys like Choo, Ellsbury and Ethier. Have to click to page 2 to find Aoki. http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/of/hand/left/split/32/sort/OPS/minpa/1502 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Yeah beni, that's what I'm thinking we're doing. It may be a reason we go for someone like Venable if he's more available - shorter contract, easier to eat if something better comes along. That something better might be internal or external, but we have all our powder dry, basically, and know we can't fit it all onto our roster in the next year or two. We'll have to make a major trade to clear out the blockage. We just didn't want to do it for one year of Upton, from the looks of it, and certainly weren't willing to give em the cream of the crop. Let's hope that turns out to be very smart. Cano was worth the wait over Fielder or Hamilton, right?2 months 1 week ago

Taro: Once you lock in Ackley, Jackson, and Miller in the OF and Taylor at SS. NONE of them can fail. Its a starting OF that could potential be successful, but its not stable. You have no real backup plan, unless you have Ruggiano's 28% K rate being exploited in full-time play or playing Cruz regularly in RF (meaning someone like Montero as a full-time DH).2 months 1 week ago

Taro: It could work out, but it would be a gamble. Deadlines deals are significantly more expensive than during the offseason. Miller and Taylor PT won't suffer even if you bring in an OF (they give you depth and a fallback plan). There are 8 or 9 teams in the AL that are 4 Ws within us in either direction. We need to bring in that starting OF now.2 months 1 week ago

rick82: And yeah, Gordon definitely vocalized my feelings as well - and I'm the guy who said we shouldn't trade anyone ever, ever, ever. But I want a grade A stud, if we're dumping Saunders. I don't want bailing wire.2 months 1 week ago

rick82: The Mariners still don't know who to hold and who to keep, so they can't make decisions. There was a time when Franklin was a definite keeper, and we kept him. Until we couldn't find room for him (hey, let's give him Saunders's job in RF - uh oh, Michael's using the f word again). So, we will know better at midseason, and yeah, whoever we are casting off will have some lustre gone, because we chose others ahead of them. BUT, we are only asking for half a season of production so it's a decent tradeoff. They're getting a less shiny prospect, and we're getting a shorter term rental. It makes sense to me. I don't know who will emerge. Heck, Blash may jump past DJ and Patrick for all we know.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: Me, I roll with what we have. Give the first third of the season over to figuring out who's sinking and who's swimming, then be ready to make some early power moves well before any deadlines.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: Taro - there is no reason why the M's have to plan for every scenario right now. They kept all the bullets in their chamber. If Miller or Taylor don't work out fine. Make a move mid-season. Give Marte or DJ or Patrick a shot. Heck, already better than last season the M's are projected to be the BEST team in baseball, we are left with worrying about our back-up outfielder. I love it.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: David Murphy maybe? Aoki and Rasmus are still out there as FAs. but on the trade front I'm drawing a buncha blanks. Help me out here. ;-)2 months 1 week ago

rick82: You know, if I'm Michaels Saunders, I'm pissed, and I'm pissed opening week. Lloyd started the season with a Saunders/Romero platoon. So Michael plays-sits-sits, then when a righty starter shows up for games 4 and 5, he sits-sits so that Logan Morrison can get some time, then doesn't start again until game 6. Soon, we're back to Romero. Yeah, I'm Michael Saunders, and I am the best hitting outfielder on your team. I proved it last season, and I ran into a wall doing so. Now, I look around, and this guy is playing two scrubs from Tacoma and some castoff from Miami. I mean, wtf, in Saunders-speak. Get me out of here. And while we are at it, why is Logan Morrison getting all the playing time down the stretch, when I am still your best clutch hitter - .781 close and late in 2013, and I'm following it up with 1.02 for you this season, coach. Logan has been handed first base, and I get a seat in the doghouse. Bye bye, I am outahere. Love ya, fans! - M.S.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: GLS - lots of casting about for sure - and G - right on the money with your post as well. Where my disconnect comes from is why is a steamer projection more valuable than the public opinions of management? To me they BOTH appear to be appeals to authority.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: So - what are our options for a platoon situation at the moment? We're looking at something like Seth Smith or Venable from the Friars, and... who? Most of the other remaining crowded outfields seem to have excess righties, not lefties. The Braves, Nats and Dodgers seem to have solved their crowding situations (Boston too - with Cespedes gone they're probably fine now). The Reds are apparently willing to move Jay Bruce, but outside of that bandbox I would fear greatly for his production. Not sure where else we'd be looking. Ideas?2 months 1 week ago

Taro: In the Brad Milller platoon scenario a lot if put on the shoulder of both Miller and Taylor. Neither of them can disappoint for that scenario to work out well. Even if its just someone like Aoki, we need an OF capable of starting.2 months 1 week ago

DaddyO: In the Brad Miller = RF platoon scenario, an awful lot is being put on the shoulder of Miller to be what we hope he will be, as opposed to what he has demonstrated he is. We were in a strong position to do better this offeason. In midseason 2015 retrospect, perhaps it will look just find; but if not it will be another case of not buying that third bridge to avoid the scenario of A Bridge Too Far.2 months 1 week ago

mojician: Derek Norris was the most disgusting Orc that Beane ever spawned. I'm going to enjoy not watching his beard fungus in hi def. He was a natural fan favorite in Oakland. I don't understand it. If you discount aliens, the next explanation is that Beane has been hacked by North Koreans.2 months 1 week ago

csiems: I can't tell if the A's are rebuilding or retooling--if it's the former, I wonder if the M's could get Coco Crisp cheaply. He'd do well at the top of the order, could platoon for Ruggiano, or take over for Ackley if/when he falters.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: I'm with you, moe - I like things to make sense to me. And I hate losing deals. As I've said before, I'm pretty positive on Happ so I don't feel like we got robbed... I just hate floundering to replace someone you already had. Jack's got time to sort it out, but if the end answer is "Oh well, I guess it's Miller and Ruggiano" then that won't satisfy me, because it's not satisfying JACK right now. Jack didn't state that Miller/Ruggiano is Plan A - he still wants another outfielder. If he settles because he couldn't get it done, that will feel like the last several offseasons where we knew we needed something instead of "hopefully a kid turns into an All-Star and bails us out."I want the 2015 Mariners motto to read: "We Decided to Stop Settling." Y'know?2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Same thing happened with Fister, GLS - you figure the our people aren't morons, so there's SOME logical explanation. Sometimes smart people do dumb things for weird reasons, and you may never fully know what those reasons are, or be able to understand them.2 months 1 week ago

MtGrizzly: Re. Saunders, Divish had a comment (paraphrasing) "if you want to be an every day player, you have to respond when your name is called". We may never know what the real issues were but I suspect there is a lot more to this than any of us know.2 months 1 week ago

GLS: Regarding Saunders, I think people are casting about in the dark looking for explanations that make sense to them.2 months 1 week ago

malcontent: My belief has been that Lloyd and others in the organization were a bit miffed that he went to Colorado to witness the birth of his second child during the playoff race, interrupting his rehab and pushing it back by what ended up being 2 weeks. As much as people blame McClendon for not playing Saunders when he was available, I always thought it was something of a reprimand for not being available earlier.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: And I also believe that Brad Miller beat out Saunders - he's the replacement they already had.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: And the OKG think is Coach Pete of UW / Boise St. (Yeah, I mentioned Harvin right after... but still) - In college football is basically accepted that you build a program by finding the right fits - not just assembling the best talent. In baseball that idea is taboo.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: Saunders went outside of the organization and didn't get better. He got hurt. Repeatedly. Which was the ENTIRE point of Dr. Elliot's training program - reducing those types of injuries. And Jack Z has built two playoff contenders in Milwaukee and Seattle and is generally regarded as one of the top talent evaporators in the game. But if y'all want to believe STEAMER ... go for it.. I get it. I just think it's a blindspot to not consider 'fit' when constructing a roster.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Do you guys remember Ted "The Mad Stork" Hendricks, the Pro-Bowl linebacker for the Raiders (Colts/Packers) back in the 70's? I well remember reading an interview with him where he expressed frustration with some coaching staffs because they wanted him to put more muscular bulk on his long, lean (he was 6'7 but just 220 lbs), ectomorph physique. He felt his long muscles gave him a leverage advantage (IIRC) that he would lose by bulking up and being less agile. Bulk was demanded by NFL coaches.....long and lean wasn't. I've always thought that the Saunders' tiff was something like that. Saunders had the better sense of how his body best performed and his coaches wanted something beefier for more boom.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: I think the "conditioning" element was really about that. If so, you think the M's would best understand long-lean-flexible-fit after our Ichiro years. Saunders begged to differ (out loud I bet) with the M's and was, ergo, a malcontent. My read, of course. I could be way off base....2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: I think punting Saunders was very odd. I think not having a plan in place to replace him BEFORE you punt him is similarly strange. And watching the Padres trade for 3 All-Stars in the OF in the span of a day, basically, makes me happy for their fans. I just wanted one (in addition to Cruz). Glad for them, their GM is being greedy. Hopefully ours has a plan. There is a plan, right? Or is this gonna be another year where we know we need another bat, we just don't quiiiiite find the courage to add the one we need and hope something breaks right? With the money we're throwing around (or at least offering around) I thought we were done with that. One more, Jack. Just like in Oceans 11. We need one more.2 months 1 week ago

IcebreakerX: However, Coach Pete and GM Schneider have a Super Bowl ring and a juggernaut for three years now. The M's rotating door of managers and GMZ have traded Doug Fister, Michael Saunders and signed Chone Figgins. Yes, I'm cherrypicking, but the M's have a habit of punting players for very strange and borderline questionable reasons.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: I'm kind of amused at some of the folks thinking Upton was gotten "for nothing." For us, that trade would have looked something like Chris Taylor, Danny Hultzen, Tank O'Neill, and somebody like Ketel Marte/Gabe Guerrero as the "throw-in." The Padres had a lot of farm to deal, and they're dealing it to turn their franchise around. Good for them. We don't need a complete turnaround, we need a piece. The question is whether we can get that piece. If we save our ammo for next year and blow this one... Ugh. Still feeling like we're saving the tinder for a super splash at the deadline and making sure we have the pieces to get there in contention now. Have we added Smith yet? Hurry up, Jack - I'm bored.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: If Saunders had to go out of the organization to get help and was successful with it.. what is the problem? Hes taking initiative and making himself a better player. Ms should see it as an opportunity to clear a blindspot and improve their coaching. Its embarrassing that they couldn't help him in house, but its even more embarrassing that they didn't see that as opportunity to improve.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: In Coach Pete speak - he's certainly did not appear to be one of "our kind of guys" - least not where Lloyd was concerned. I think there are parallels to the Percy Harvin situation as well. But at what point do we admit that the sabermetric has an "appeal to authority" counter bias? Where-by ability to take coaching and fit with the team is "not-measurable" therefore "doesn't exist?"2 months 1 week ago

benihana: You have to wonder what was it about Saunders. I remember the Dr. Elliot bit about him being very low in the lateral strength department. Him there-after going outside the organization to Brother Bard for pool-noodle training. Him being much improved when healthy. Him never being healthy. Him losing his job to Endy Chavez. Him being called out by mgmt. Too me it seems like a guy with immense confidence who wouldn't take instruction.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: In other words, I think trading Saunders was a mistake, but because it was an either/or situation with his dealings with management, he had to go. So I'm glad we got something for him rather than nothing, but I would notch this one under the Fister File. Not as bad a disaster as Fister, but still a loss for this team. Unlike Fister, however, it was apparently inevitable, so the Ms getting ahead of it and getting the best they could for him isn't worth ridicule to me. Sometimes you take the bite and just move on. Hopefully we finish this roster in such a way that we make up the difference - that's still entirely doable.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Having liked Saunders for years (I got into an argument with Matt on a board a long time ago about Saunders and his potential upside - what comp did I use, Lyle Overbay who can play CF? I don't feel bad about that one...) his trade does hurt. I like him, I like his upside, and I like what he could bring to this team. But if he wasn't gonna be allowed to bring it to this team, I include him on the list with Erasmo Ramirez as guys who are mishandled in their dealing with management/Lloyd and are basically worthless to us, so I'm glad we got something for him. Lloyd is good with some players, and really bad with others - he's like Lou in that regard. Gotta take the good with the bad. I think Saunders could have been good for us, but now Happ and whoever takes Mike's place will have to be instead.2 months 1 week ago

MtGrizzly: Now the Padres are in on Middlebrooks, for Hanigan. Sheesh.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: I'm just increasingly frustrated at the Saunders deal. He is exactly the piece we need right now and we could have extended him cheap. I had assumed Z had some sort of backup plan, but clearly he didn't. That deal sits on its own.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: I would be just fine with being the 90s Braves, myself. ;-) We'll see how the Ms handle the pressure of being the favorites, or at least contenders in the AL. It's different than being the scrappy underdogs. Better have your heads on straight, boys - cuz this is the year I expect Mariners baseball to really begin again.2 months 1 week ago

Drago: Other GMs must really hate Jack Z.
The Padres got Upton for almost the exact equivalent of Hultzen (LHP prospect who had arm surgery and will miss all of 2015), Taylor (light hitting MIF prospect), and a couple of throw-ins. Oh, except a package of Hultzen and Taylor plus sweeteners would have been better because Hultzen is closer to returning and Taylor succeeded in a half-season MLB audition.
That or the reality of what other teams want in return for their players has been greatly exaggerated. In which case, we must not have really wanted Upton anyway...2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: How you might feel about the Ms risk-taking... optimistic: "Hey, the Mariners are viewing this through a lens of decade-long contention not a one-year window. We have minors pieces, a pipeline, valuable young talent and highly paid, quality vets. What's not to like? So what if we didn't get one more big-league piece at the cost of the future." Pessimist: "We could have won the WS last year with 'one more piece!' ARGH! The Ms always like to come up one piece short. I don't want to contend, I want to WIN! Can we WIN please?" Hopefully we can win for a decade. it all depends on pitcher health and young contributions, really. If Walker and Paxton are Glavine and Smoltz, then we'll be thrilled we didn't trade them. Of course, the Braves only won it all once...2 months 1 week ago

okdan: If anything, it means the peoria sports complex should be buzzing this year!2 months 1 week ago

rick82: Mariner system remains loaded with talent, and the MLB roster ain't Swiss cheese neither. Fangraphs has us #1 in projected wins for 2015. Go by WAR, go by scouting reports, either way, we rock. Hey, it's been tough sledding for a number of years, but the M ownership has really turned things around. I wanted Upton, and/or Saunders, but I'll take the consolation prize: our overall talent base, is just fine.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: LOL DaddyO. I have a friend who's a Padres fan. He's like a fat kid trapped in a chocolate store, drooling on himself and waiting for the season. After what he's been through since the Giants bounced them out of the playoffs with that one-game deathmatch, I don't blame him.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Yep, that should mean Seth Smith to us shortly, unless the price is weirdly astronomical. In which case I would try to get by with Rasmus like moe suggests, with the bonus that he can play CF.2 months 1 week ago

DaddyO: Dateline San Diego. Padres trade for Matt Kemp and Wil Myers, sign Justin Upton for an OF trifecta. News then leaks that San Diego and Seattle have agreed to a trade that would bring Felix Hernandez and Fernando Rodney to the Pads for prospects. Rumors are also swirling that LA threw Clayton Kershaw into the Kemp deal to compensate for Kemp's arthritic hip. Terry Kennedy, now 58, benefitting from a strict diet and exercise regimen, has reportedly rejuvenated his body and will report to camp as the starting catcher. Boston and the Friars have agreed to swap first baseman, bringing Adrian Gonzalez back to his former team. Oh, also the sky darkened yesterday afternoon, an earthquake struck, and the trio of Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby and Frank "Home Run" Baker were seen at the Coronado Hotel in perfect health and in Padres' uniforms. In light of all this, Roberto Alomar is in discussions with management about unretiring and playing second base for the team that originally signed him.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: SMith's OPS vR for the last three years = .805-.748-.815 Rasmus = .740-.893-.752 Aoki = .828-.703-.658 (but he's an OBP machine vs lefties). Accordingly, I'm not trading anything too nice for Smith. There doesn't seem to be much demand for Rasmus...you might get him for not much more than Smith for 2 years...at no prospect loss.2 months 1 week ago

merks: Looks like the Padres vs The M's will truly be a matchup worthy of a rivalry this year. Unbelievable what Preller has done in the last 10 days or so. I'm not qualified to say if its good or bad but if I were a fan in San Diego I'd be pumped.2 months 1 week ago

okdan: Dang. Padres land Justin Upton, Matt Kemp, and Will Myers in the span of a couple weeks. Impressive.2 months 1 week ago

rick82: MLB rumors reports: The Braves are finalizing a trade of Justin Upton, tweets Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports. Late last night, Fangraphs’ Kiley McDaniel reported that Atlanta appeared to be “down the road” on a deal sending Upton to an AL West team for young pitching (Twitter link).
Among AL West clubs, the Mariners have been prominently linked to Upton in trade rumors for much of the offseason, but the Rangers also have a need in the corner outfield, and the extremely active Athletics have been stocking up on young pitching in trades recently.2 months 1 week ago

rick82: I think we're still on Upton, in that we've made an offer, it still stands, and Atlanta is hoping to get more. I think we have the best offer on the table, and that it is a very good offer, and that there is still a chance Atlanta will take it. Somewhere between what Atlanta wants and what we've offered is middle ground that we may end up meeting them on. That's based on absolutely no sources whatsoever.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Venable's not as much of a platoon dude, mal. If you're gonna run a platoon you'd like to see mashing against oppo pitching, not just decent performance. Agreed he's cheaper and shorter, but that alone might be two reasons for the Padres to keep him - since they aren't likely to get much on the trade market for him.2 months 1 week ago

MtGrizzly: Lowe is going to have a tough time making this roster. Bullpen be stacked.2 months 1 week ago

MtGrizzly: Arthritis in both hips? Yikes - Kemp is not going to age well.2 months 1 week ago

malcontent: I'm surprised there hasn't been any interest in getting Will Venable over Seth Smith. Same team, same age, similar (but lesser) offensive profile, much better defense. And with one year left on his contract, he should be cheaper to acquire coming off a down year.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Padres probably can't trade Smith til they're sure about whether the Kemp deal even exists due to the double-arthritis. That's probably the hangup on move#2 after Ruggiano: our other dance partner fled the floor on stage two thanks to a bad medical. So we probably won't make progress til after the Kemp thing is resolved, if we wanna make a couple large assumptions.2 months 1 week ago

GLS: Seth Smith is a quality player that would work really well in a strict platoon. Not sure what the Padres would want for him, but if they start shopping him there are bound to be multiple suitors.2 months 1 week ago

DaddyO: Kemp: Padres physical turned up arthritis in both hips...Padres consulting with medical experts and determining how to proceed...perhaps we "Dodged" a bullet? http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/padres-to-acquire-matt-kemp.html2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Over that last 24 hourse I've come to think more and more that this is a Denorfia move made early this year. This type of move is the right one and we gave up nothing we couldn't afford and Ruggiano doesn't block our kids if we want to cut him loose....but it didn't make us a lot better by itself.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: You might argue that the natural progression of Romero or the emergence of Kivlehan results in a hitter of Ruggiano's quality. When looking at Ruggiano you almost have to throw out '12 as he BABIP'ed .401 that year. That was down to .260 in '13 then back up to .375 in '14! Weird, no? Anyway, I'm discounting '12 as his Figgins-outlier year and figuring we've got something between '13-'14. That might be something like .280-.333-.500 vL. He hit 11 homers in vL 213 AB's. He was ugly against RHP in '13 and competent in '14. Oh..he plays CF which Kivlehan and Romero don't. He gives us a RH homer presence vs LHP, which we sorely missed last year and the promise of not flailing vs. righties.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: He most likely made us some better but there is a nother shoe to fall. It is possible that it is a 1B shoe as Morrison can survive in RF. Then your platoon is Morrison and Ruggiano. Unlikely, I think...as it is easier to find the LH hitting OF than it is to find a regular 1B, unless we want Smoaky back.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: I could see Aoki on a one year contract...or Rasmus on a two. I'm betting that we're not yet making Miller a fulltime/platoon RF'er. BTW, a cheap LHB we could get to come here is a dude named Carp. Cheap spaghetti. I would love squeezing Nava out of Boston, btw: Switch hits to the tune of .293-.385-.428 vR for his career. A perfect bat add. Very wishful thinking.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: I think we're out on Upton. I think we're now looking at guys like Nori Aoki2 months 1 week ago

John Pierce: Good call misterjonez. I am thinking B) and I like your analysis of Z&#039;s potential use of leverage. Man, would it not be nice if he was that sharp and devious?2 months 1 week ago

misterjonez: It does seem like Ruggiano is a platoon fit, which suggests that either A) Jack likes Miller just fine as a COF platoon partner (a stretch, to my mind, considering this is an 'all-in' type of year for the M's), or B) There is another move coming/simmering. I would *love* it if this was, as much as acquiring a 4th OF, a leverage move by Z in his discussions with ATL. The Braves have been trying to tack a few different players onto a J. Upton trade, and they're clearly not getting any takers. Seems like a good call on Z's part, but I might be seeing something that isn't really there.2 months 1 week ago

MtGrizzly: A good defensive LH OF with platoon issues should not be difficult to find. Be good insurance just in case Miller or Taylor stumble in ST, anyway. That's the minimum we should expect, I guess. Hoping for more.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: So assuming we're set with Taylor at SS and Miller platooning with Cruz and Ackley platooning with Ruggiano and Montero or Ronero filling in...with the rest of the bench being Bloomquist and Sucre...was the Saunders maneuver worth it?2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: So it turns out that basically we had to top last year's 13th pick Trea Turner to get Souza, if we were ever interested (we should have been). We could have got there.2 months 1 week ago

merks: The Diamond Genius really did startup a furor last night. It's funny I like him a lot more on the radio than I do when he's writing or tweeting. I don't think Churchill would put information out there just for web hits but he's not a journalists per se where he needs to verify what his sources feed him. New Media/new rules.2 months 1 week ago

mojician: Zduriencik has grown an expectation or two for Montero: http://m.mariners.mlb.com/news/article/103647920/mariners-gm-jack-zduriencik-praises-jesus-monteros-offseason-workouts If he can't be trusted with backup DH bench duties for lefty day, then he should probably be DFA'd2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: I said dh because against lefties, if we add no one else, Cruz plays right, Ruggiano plays left, and we need adh2 months 1 week ago

mojician: A right handed backup DH? The Boomstick doesn't approve of backups. :)P I hope they give Jesus Montero, Ji Man Choi and Kivlehan a chance this year as a revolving cast of first base benchies.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: I don't hate Riggiano, but 2014 was an outlier offensively and, when tasked with starting, Ruggiano floundered. This cannot be our last add unless Z thinks highly enough of Taylor to move Miller off of short...and even then, we need to add a rhb dh2 months 1 week ago

jemanji: Hey Lonnie of MC - long time no mosh. If you get a chance can you email me? jeffclarke238 with the server being comcast net -2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Exactly Lonnie, this is a Stars and Scrubs move.....with us acquiring a "scrub" with some decent pedigree. A complementary 3-position OF'er was always in need but Ruggiano doesn't fill the hole we have for a LHB in the OF. I'm not betting that it is Miller. I think we start with Miller/Taylor sharing the SS job and Miller getting the occasional 3B/2B start....and some in LF.2 months 1 week ago

Lonnie of MC: I think everyone needs to lower their sights or else they are going to be sorely disappointed. The move this morning of Matt Brazis for Justin Ruggiano of the Cubbies was a nice move that will help bolster the team from the right side. Not a sexy move by any stretch, but Ruggs definitely has value. If anyone is interested, I've got something up on Ruggiano at MC.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: Yes, but I think Souza profiles similar or better from here on out. Rays are doing well selling high (low?) here.2 months 1 week ago

MtGrizzly: Myers was ROY in MLB at 22. Souza was in AAA at 25.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: From early rumblings it sounds like the Rays are about rip off the Padres. Souza is a speedier and better defensive version of Myers, and it looks like the Rays want a lot more on top of that.2 months 1 week ago

mojician: Divish wrote that the new hitter would be better than Viciedo. While this sort of reporting is not as exciting as better than Upton, it has the virtue of being true. Ruggiano is far better than Viciedo. He plays all outfield positions, he's kind of fast, he's fit, and he rakes lefties. Viciedo is 240 lbs on paper (equals 240+ in real life), and doesn't hit lefties or righties particularly well and he runs and fields poorly.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Agreed that Churchill is wrong far too often when he's working the rumors2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Moj is talking about Churchill's hysteria this morning. He was passing along info passed to him by "sources" but if their stuff doesn't pan out are they actually sources? Since Jason has a history of passing along Big Info that turns out to be much smaller. Can't tell if he's doing it for hits and retweets or not. His sources on these things do seem to be less reliable than other media types, so I tend to stick with the beat reporters for breaking news and Jason is more for editorial content rather than reporting.2 months 1 week ago

mojician: Ruggiano came from Johns and Dutton, and Ruggiano. Done deal. Those tweets regarding Wil Myers, and regarding a player between Upton and Harper on the bash-o-meter were definitely false tweets. I like that term, "false tweet" it sounds like a misdemeanor.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Is Riggiano a false tweet? Our did that come from a reliable account2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Flexibility is huge, King. That is true in terms of roster financial flexibility (which this still allows, as would two years of Smith) and roster/positional flexibility. A LHB COF add, as the finale, really allows that type of all-around flexibility.2 months 1 week ago

John Pierce: Ackley has been pretty durable. The last three years, he has played in 153, 113 and 143 games. Plus he had a small power surge, last year, when he hit 14 HRs. With that said, Taro, are you expecting him to decline?2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: If we get Smith (w/o giving up something young and sweet), the Smith/Ruggiano pairing is as good as bet as Melky would be at less than 1/2 the cost. And with Melky we still needed to grab the 2nd CF. This is the type of early complementary move the Giants usually make.2 months 1 week ago

KingCorran: I like that this doesn't block us from the 2014 OF FA market. If this is a chess match and we're thinking 4 moves ahead, there's a lot to be said for preserving flexibility for a no-prospect-cost move next offseason.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Yep, Ruggiano cost us a fungible asset. I would have preferred a different reliever, but really: we can find relievers. We probably just drafted 2 more while I was typing this.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: Ackley probably needs to be platooned so you can still acquire either handed OF. We'll see, but I'm not holding my breath on an impact add.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: That's a good description, Gordon. I would prefer Souza...but this guy comes essentially free. Brazis is certainly a promising MiLB relief arm, but we hove those guys in spades. Ruggiano is the classic 4th OF as he can play all three positions and he's got a nice .266-.329-.508 career split vL. He does K, certainly. He is a potential nice addition. Does this mean Miller is no longer a SS? Or at least not the primary one and Taylor gets the ball? With Seth Smith then we would have a neat 25-man. Bloomie would be gone...In that situation I would give Romero the nod over Montero as BU 1B just because he's way more flexable. Right now it would be Ackley-Jackson-Ruggiano-Miller-Taylor-Seager-Cano-Morrison-Zunino-Sucre-Cruz. That's 11. We need one more guy that can play 2B/3B and a RHB 1B. One of those guys should be able to play COF, too. Then we are filled and flexable. Smith and Romero would get all that done.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: We'll get more relievers, Spec, no doubt there. ;-) I just wanted Brazis available if we were gonna trade a major league reliever (like Medina). In fact, I would rather have traded Medina than Brazis. Now I assume the pen will stay relatively set (once we shake out the lefty thing, and find a place for Carson Smith... so maybe Medina is still in play after all).2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: And really: Saunders + Brazis + 5 million bucks to throw at another move, or Ruggiano + Happ? It only makes sense if you have a legit platoon in RF (something that Saunders wouldn't have been happy with) AND one that will outhit Saunders.2 months 1 week ago

Spectator: Brazis one of the unending spring-fed tap of RH relief guys that flow out of Jack&Mac's factory. Ruggiano's ISO 103 points higher vs. LHP (138 vs. 241!). But even tho he's 32, that's based on only 443 MLB PAs. So it's not carved in stone or anything. That being said, even Ruggiano's "bad" ISO (vs. RH) is an improvement over Denorfia and Endy.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Yeah, that's my worry Taro: that Ruggiano is losing his usefulness. He struck out 28% of the time against righties in 2014... AND against lefties. When you're K-ing 30% of the time against the arms you need to hit - that it is your ONLY useful skill to hit - I get worried that the end may be nigh. It may not be, and we're betting it isn't. But that better not be the last move. A Ruggiano/Jones platoon would sorta terrify me.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Seth Smith is part 2 of that move, padna. I'll be pretty surprised if we don't now make that one.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: Extreme platoon player, history of mashing LHs, below-average defensive OF, showed some signs of decline in the 2nd half of the season. Will either be semi-useful in a platoon role or is finished due to decreasing contact. Still need a starting RF.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: That said, if we'd traded Brazis for Souza I would have thought that was okay, so Ruggiano just needs to hit like his 2012 campaign and I'll be happy. ;-)2 months 1 week ago

Silentpadna: This looks like a Beane-style move to me. Ruggiano would be nice plug and play 4th OF. I'm okay with this. A low-risk, moderate reward. Am hoping there's still something more and the Divish is wrong. "Rays working a 3-4 team deal" makes me wonder....2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: IMO, Matt Brazis was the best reliever we had left in our minors, and I had him ranked over Yarbrough. He was the next Dominic Leone and I expected him to "surprise" and make the pen in Spring Training (or at least be the first guy up). Cubs got a good one, IMO, in the vein of stealing Lord Farquhar. Hope Ruggiano can hit better than Denorfia.2 months 1 week ago

DaddyO: Ah the lot of the baseball fan. Wondering all night what trade was going down, only to find out it's Justin ^&*(% Ruggiano (with a tone similar to that of Tommy Lasorda in his famous Kurt Bevacqua rant). I'm sure Ruggiano is serviceable, though I don't really know.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Yeah, I would now expect Seth Smith. A Smith/Ruggiano RF would be a .835 vs lefties / .840 vs RHP platoon for about 10 million bucks. It leaves room for the minors guys to step into an OF role while giving us guys who are used to platooning and pretty good at it to pin down the position. As long as we add a Smith-like bat, I'll be okay with that. Unless the early age curve hits either guy, in which case I'll cry into my cornflakes - and await Kivlehan (assuming he hasn't been traded for either dude... which would be pretty bad...)2 months 1 week ago

okdan: One more correction (sorry, lots of contradictions between Drayer and Divish). Matt Brazis is going to the Cubs and Bawcom was DFA'd2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Ruggiano's the older version of Souza's mid-range, I guess. Let's hope we didn't just trade for Denorfia again, but he should be fine in the role. Question is: is that it, or is there another deal in motion?2 months 1 week ago

okdan: Ruggiano in a platoon role with Miller is pretty "creative" wouldn't you say?2 months 1 week ago

okdan: Sounds like the Rays are trying to work lots of angles involving Myers.2 months 1 week ago

Spectator: Ruggiano would fit the rumor profile, I guess. Souza now reported as part of Rays-Pods-Nats three-way discussions that Divish says M's are out of.2 months 1 week ago

Spectator: Ruggiano at first glance: moderate power, strikes out a ton, looks like pretty good power vs. LHP (big platoon split in ISO), swiped some bags in the minors, but gets caught a lot in majors. Upgrade over Denorfia I guess but not much more. Kind of a RH version of the bad version of Saunders maybe. Never had a season with less than 23% K-rate. Share time with Miller spotted against LHP?2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: I can't see the Pirates giving up Marte. And that would be fairly "major." Souza???2 months 1 week ago

drm: Didn't Byrd take the M's off his no trade list? I'm not sure you can take Bryd off the list because of that. Now, I've just seen Rugglinono from the cubs? Is he any good?2 months 1 week ago

Spectator: Marte had an OPS of .808 with 30 steals and is signed to a mid-priced deal thru 2019 with 2 option years. Maybe he's too "major" to fit into what Divish has heard, and maybe he's not gettable without Taijuan or KPax. Just poking around ...2 months 1 week ago

Spectator: Divish says not "major" but better than Vicideo. There aren't tons of guys who actually played OF in the majors that fit that description (assuming RH also). I wondering maybe Starling Marte of Pittsburgh? M's were linked to him at the deadline.2 months 1 week ago

Spectator: Let's see ... Divish says flat out that M's not part of the Myers deal. Also says deal is less than "major" but not Byrd or Viciedo or the same names that have been recycling. No "big" prospects leaving. Interesting ...2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: BTW, hot off the MLBTR press: TODAY: If a deal is close, Crasnick says (links to Twitter), it is not for Marlon Byrd of the Phillies, who has not been approached about waiving his no-trade protection against Seattle. Likewise, while the Red Sox have discussed Allen Craig with plenty of other teams, there is “nothing brewing” on him at the moment (and no particular link to the M’s).2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Myers is interesting: Young and exciting and we would probably give up Walker to get him, if that is the thing. His MILB #'s, btw, are no better than guys we have: Myers was .279-.369-.476 in AA. Kivlehan was .300-.374-.485 last year. In AAA Myers was .295-.372-.541, K'ing 26% of the time. Romero is .300-.347-.571 with 22% K's. Just putting him in perspective, mind you. Myers' dismal '14 was largely due to a weird vL crash/burn: .192-.259-..273. That can't occur again. Not possible. He's likely worth Walker, because he's a young long-term bat. I would do that deal. Gimme young bats if I'm giving up a young arm. But to tell you the truth, it's fairly likely we could get something like Myers by just plugging Kivlehan in out there. If we're trading for Myers, I'll bet you dollars to donuts we give up a young bat, too...and they add a piece. That would create the delay.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Getting Myers would be a smart play...but less exciting. :) Lot of uncertainty with him, but it converts an excess asset (Walker) from our depth into an asset where we need it.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: I would have Zduriencik's lovechild if he could actually get Bautista or McCutchen or similar huge asset.2 months 1 week ago

Tacoma Rain: How about McCutchen? He can't cost that much more than Upton...2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: According to MLBT-R: 10:38pm: A deal involving Desmond is still a possibility, Chris Cotillo of SB Nation tweets. Desmond is interesting but very Zobrist-like (with less homer power). One year of Desmond, if that is it, better be cheap. I'm not giving up Miller or Elias or Walker for that either.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Zobrist is one year. I'm not giving up Walker for one year of Zobrist OR Upton. The natural bid would be Miller for Zobrist. I'm not doing that either. I like Zobrist, but he will be 34 in May, has seen a fairly consistent decline in Slugging over the last 4 years and his one year sin't worth any of the pretty pieces we have. If he's cheap, like Matt says, he a neat get. He isn't worth one of our arms or Miller or Taylor.2 months 1 week ago

KingCorran: Sounds like a false alarm on the Myers bit. But that probably means we keep Walker... and it SOUNDS like the Myers bit was separate from the 'deal imminent' bit.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: If its part of the Myers deal, it could be Zobrist.2 months 1 week ago

Bilbo: Sounds more like Myers to Seattle and Walker to SD with other prospects to TB is what is in the works. 3 team trades are complicated to say the least so this may not have legs, but I&#039;d be happy with what is effectively Myers for Walker2 months 1 week ago

John Pierce: Is Myers considered better than Kemp? Because if he is not, why would Z trade walker for him, when he would not for Kemp? Myers shined the year he was called up, last year, not so much. I wouldn&#039;t mind the trade, two long term, cost controlled players, that fill the need of both teams. But then I remember Pineda for Montero, Then I&#039;m not so sure. ;)2 months 1 week ago

rjjunior: Just yanking your chain, moethedog, on the Souza posts. No worries. Churchill track record is not great when it comes to rumors so...2 months 1 week ago

KingCorran: I'm going to stop just reposting what Churchill says. I'm not a huge fan of his analysis, but he does have an ear to the ground at times. If the M's really are involved in a 3-way trade with SD and TB where Walker goes to SD and we get Myers... this is like Pineda/Montero all over again. Robinson Cano, in a different sense.
Wow.2 months 1 week ago

KingCorran: You know, Doc, you're gonna be kicking yourself for publishing this most recent article if in fact Z DOES have a big fish on the line... not to mention one no one saw coming. He seems to excel at that... yet an hour ago, no one would have argued with the post anyways!2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: If this isn't a deal that comes together easily it probably isn't a guy like Byrd, even though Crasnick is a Philly guy. Darin Ruf K's a lot but has hit 20 homers in less than 400 MLB AB's. But a guy like that shouldn't be too hard to deal to get. If it takes that long there may be several pieces to the trade. He has links to Boston. Victorino should be easy peasy. Craig? Werth in Washington is likely way too expensive. Interesting....2 months 1 week ago

malcontent: I've been thinking it might be a good idea to switch Jackson and BJ Upton for that purpose (having a Justin Upton bargaining chip). With Austin Jackson looking like the latest bug to splat into Safeco, BJ might be as likely a bounceback candidate as Jackson is, so if it brings the asking price on Justin down, I'm all for it.2 months 1 week ago

Bat571: Crasnick tweets it's a RH bat that hasn't had a lot of speculation about it - that doesn't sound like Upton!2 months 1 week ago

Bat571: Dutton's reporting Upton's asking price may be more at the Diaz/Sanchez [Guerrero/Marte?-bat] level. Maybe Erasmo would be of interest as well? I'd certainly be in favor of a Erasmo-Diaz-Guerrero type deal even for the 1 year of Upton - we're now talking prospects, not key core pieces. I'd even do Erasmo/Guerrero/+ for both Uptons if the Braves pick up all but ~$5M/yr of B.J.'s contract - it would possibly help keep Justin past this year.2 months 1 week ago

Bat571: Padres trying to get Wil Myers from Padres. MLBTR has Matt Wisler, Burch Smith, and R.J. Alvarez, all RHP, as targets, with C Austin Hedges also a possible target. Hedges is their #1 prospect by all 3 major rankings (BA, BP, MLB.com), while Wisler is #2 and MLB.com has Smith and Alvarez as #16 and #20. Wonder if Guerrero, Marte, Diaz, and Sanchez might be competitive if Wisler / Hedges is either/or ? Myers has been a bit of a disappointment in TB, but maybe not having to be a MAJOR piece, but just part of a young lineup might get him going?2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Of the three, certainly Matt. I'm not prepared to give up much for a single season of Upton, however. Would he extend for another year? Inquiring minds want to know.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Upton, Desmond, or Viciedo...that's the last of likely possibilities. Please let it be Upton2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Upton? The Padres and Rays are in discussion on a significant trade that would send Wil Myers to San Diego in exchange for some of the Padres’ better young prospects, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter links). Rosenthal notes that it’s not certain whether a trade is particularly close at this time, but an acquisition of Myers would likely take the Padres out of the running for Atlanta’s Justin Upton.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: Lack of stop-loss is the biggest risk in not nabbing another OF. Playing players out of position makes your defense worse and increases injury risk. Once you plug Miller in RF, you don't allow for ANYone on your roster to disappoint or to get injured. The next men in line are Montero, James Jones or Romero. These guys have some potential, but could be absolute disasters as well. They combined for negative -2 WAR just last year. The downside of that scenario is immense. We just saw it last season and it cost us the playoffs. We need AT LEAST one OF, probably two. I'm tired of the excuses and boneheaded acquisitions. This is our window. We need to capitalize.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Doc, I agree. I said that I would bet on all of those options, individually. I'm not sure the M's will, however. The funny thing about Aoki is that he won't really solve any of our "unknowns"......well, he would give us a lead-off hitter. But he doesn't solve the "unknowns" at CF and 1B (although Montero and Romero is a pretty good stable to be on hitting LHP). If we do that it is because it is the safe route. Insurance on our big Cruz buy. Me? Heck, I'm pretty sure that Kivlehan will produce the 100 OPS that Aoki likely will. But that is a bold route. Aoki has a reverse split, so you could still use him in a weird-unique platoon with Miller when the kid takes off. I read a couple of hours ago that some people think Aoki will get three years. Not from the M's! He might not get two from us. But Montero/Morrison and Miller/Romero/Kivlehan both work for me and are (IMHO) pretty safe bets. Will Z see it that way after his big Cruz buy?2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: If Ackley or Morrison or Miller or Taylor have proven they can produce over a full season, I haven't heard of it. Jackson has had two poor years and two average ones out of his 5 as a big-leaguer. Zunino can't hit the Mendoza line. We've had a lot of REgression amongst our young hitters in their early campaigns, not PROgression. Can't have our whole season sunk if Seager takes a fastball off the wrist in May, y'know? I want to see surplus offensive production if everybody does what they should, not just "enough" production. I want a Miller breakout to make us into the 90s Indians offensively, not the 2014 KC Royals. I'm greedy. ;-) And so's Jack, since he still wants to sign someone...2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: If we didn't demonstrate that we are willing to spend more on proven commodities...I would be fine with that job share, Doc. But we showed we were willing to pay to get something more bankable. Being reduced to hoping Montero and Miller can handle out-of-position needs is a let down.2 months 1 week ago

jemanji: Moe, nobody but Junior minds your pressing the Souza point :- ) … on the other Shout, it sez here: (1) LoGo being able to back up 20 games in CF seems like a 90% probability, (2) Montero hitting lefties is already a given, and (3) not sure why you need D.J. in the second half, given the first two points. :: shrug :: What *I* am missing is, what people dislike so much about a LoGo/Montero platoon to start the year. There will be exactly 2 positions at which the M's have unproven players.2 months 1 week ago

jemanji: Yep. Will cheerfully agree that the M's overestimated their chances on landing one of their primary targets. But personally I'm not let down by the "fallback" safety net of a Logo-Montero type of platoon. If that was the "floor" scenario then I'm comfortable with the "dropoff" (sic). From where I sit, though, I don't know why they had to get so down on Saunders' work ethic. Sometimes they seem pretty old-school that way.2 months 1 week ago

DaddyO: I'm with both Taro and moe here in that (a) moving Saunders looks far less attractive now that we've so far missed out on a major RF add, (b) I don't trust Jack in his "creative" endeavors, and (c) barring a big add either now or in spring training, Aoki is starting to look like a good value move if for no other reason than to give us OBP at the top of the order. I just hate to see the M's playing musical chairs indecisively while the best available seats are all being taken.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: have I missed something here? If we stand pat and bring in nobody else we are structured like this: Our 2nd CF is Miller or Jones. Miller and Cruz could share RF in a platoon, with Cruz moving back to DH when we face RHP. Romero and Montero then become our RH 1B options, getting some time at DH when Cruz is in RF. Kivlehan or Deej is potentially up soon. Choi is there when Morrison DL's. Such a scenario is doable but it makes three assumptions: 1. Miller can handle CF 2. Either Montero or Romero hits lefties 3. The AAA guys will be ready early.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Individually, none of those are long bets. I would bet on any one of them. But would you bet on all three of them? With "unknowns" such as that, I won't be surprised if we look for a "sure thing" if we make just one move. Signing Aoki and his .350 OBP leading off, is probably the MOST SIMPLE sure thing out there. it wouldn't be my first pick, but because of it's simplicity (and affordability) it won't surprise me if we go that way.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: Would be nice to still have Saunders. I don't trust these guys to get creative.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Sorry junior. I'm a one trick pony, I suppose. I'm not sure he's a HoF'er, but he sure looks like a guy who solves a COF/CF problem for us. He's got a solid pedigree, too. He's an unlikely get for us, admittedly. But we have things that Washington may need. Last year I was all over Van Slyke because of his upside and he solved our RHB COF/1B/DH problem in one fell swoop. This year it is the Washingon kid.....and Kivlehan. Hey, another post where I didn't say his name! :) Old dogs CAN learn new tricks it seems.2 months 1 week ago

jemanji: Thanks for the shout there DaddyO, on several levels :- )2 months 1 week ago

jemanji: Moe can keep right on shoutin' … if and when Souza wins the ROY he can send us a postcard...2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: I read it Bat. I think Guti has some upside...but he has a huge downside, as in falling apart physically again. I don't think he's a guy you can sign and confidently pencil in to a critical role. Minor League contract (or a cheap MLB one) and let him prove himself. I think I wrote something like that in the Creative Options thread. I meant to, anyway. Unless we're in on some kind of Atlanta swap, we're down to FA's Rasmus and Aoki. I've been a Rasmus fan, as stated, but the more I look at it, Aoki as a leadoff hitter might be just fine, if the deal is right. He has no split issues, is a better than decent glove, and gets on base. We could do worse. Of course, it still leaves the CF hole we need to fill.....and the 1B one.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Well. Varvaro would be coming home if he came over here, and would free up a reliever to go elsewhere, right? ;)2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Gordon, you're mostly right about Kivlehan and Deej in the wings, but the thing about Souza is his ability to play CF. He looks like he is going to hit and get on base....if he can play CF, too...he's a great guy to have. If Rios is only getting one year, Aoki is getting no more than two, btw.2 months 1 week ago

merks: Anthony Varvaro has been designated and some of the Braves writers think he'll be packaged with Upton or Gattis soon.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Still think he's looking for one piece. Maybe it's as simple as Smith and Guti. If Guti can't go (again) then we have Miller and Jones lying around. They ain't righties, but we'll survive somehow. ;-) This would still be easier with Saunders on the roster tho. That chasm between him and management might have been impassable, and I like Happ FWIW, but I'm still waiting on the sewn-up roster to finish my opinions.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Interesting. I'm okay with skipping Rios, but we're running out of non-trade or non-homegrown options. I love Kivlehan, and was on board with DJ's drafting since before we drafted him. Either guy can play an OF/1B platoon shortly - but do we want it to be now, and without either man having a ton of time logged in the OF? Gonna be kind of like watching Ackey's first few months out there if we do. But why trade for Souza et al when we have stocked up on really good outfielders aimed at the bigs if we can just be patient? He'd need to be better, or allow us to trade what we already have. Not sure Jack trusts that... but he might have to.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Diaz is a low-A arm. He's the equivalent of Chris Tillman when we made the Bedard trade. I think he can absolutely get us something interesting - but not by himself. And to the Braves, not with Marte either since they have no real use for him. I'd be fine with doing it, but I don't see it happening that way. :) And yes, we either need to plan on using James Jones or Brad Miller as our defensive OF and go get a Gattis type who can pound lefties and backup Zunino, or go get a Saunders type (which Souza fits into).2 months 1 week ago

Bat571: Moe, look at my comments on Guti in the "Creative Options" thread - wadda ya think? Not that I wouldn't want Souza - but the rest of the options just don't float my boat. Basically, a healthy Guti, even with some limitations, might be the ideal bridge to the guys that are coming!2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Somebody over on LL made the point that the natural platoon is in seattle already: Cruz in RF vs. lefties (and DHing the rest of the time) and Miller in RF vs. RHP. Interesting....I think the point has been made by Z or Mac that Cruz would play some RF. This fits that idea. It leaves us a 1B/DH short...one who would DH vs. lefties. Uh...Montero anyone. Or Romero, waiting for Deej of Kivlehan to get here. That's possible, I suppose...but we're still a CF short, unless it's Miller. Souza would solve a lot of this, btw. COF/CF/1B.....2 months 1 week ago

merks: I think the Bowden thing is Edwin Diaz and Ketel Marte. Bowden last year called the Cano signing well before anybody else that I heard so you never know2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: If we could really get Upton for Marte all of a sudden...WOOHOO!!!!!!!!...somehow I doubt it.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Upton for Marte would be highway robbery on our part. We've got young SS's in spades. I'm in, if that is a honest-to-goodness possible deal. Cubs are sniffing around Rasmus it seems. In may ways, 2 years of Rasmus is a natural for us. In his 5 years he's OPS'ed .875, .695, .740, .893, .752 vR. So you can kind of bet that he's going to be .750-ish +, against RHP. Saunders was .781, .751, .831 vR the last three seasons. It's a wash, I suppose. I would prefer we get Souza, but Rasmus fits.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Harper is never gonna be available while under club control. Maybe the last 3 months of it, I guess. Bowden mentions us in the Upton trade market again, throws Marte's name in the mix despite the fact that the Braves have essentially his exact twin in Peraza as one of their best prospects. It's pretty easy to see how Bowden got fired - or he's just trolling for views... a lot. Wouldn't mind sending them Gabe Guerrero and some stuff though. We're trying to keep Taijuan, Pax and DJ & still make trades. Not easy. Keep Kiv too! To that end, Smith works for me, but no I won't take Maybin too.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Althoguh...it looks like Smith is getting progressively more and more selective at the plate, resulting in better and better numbers against hard stuff (his value on fastballs is going up as he begins stalking fastballs, his O-sw and z-sw are both dropping rapidly and his contact rate is stable). Looks like a topspin hitter from the looks of his great disappearing popups. Maybe he's a better fit than I thought.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Smith is unlikely to translate well to Safeco. Doesn't hit the ball in the air enough to be a potent enough platoon guy and we'd have to be able to land a RH pair for him that is actually willing to platoon. The RH bats that are available in FA all want to start...except for Gomes who is terrible. Smith isn't going to help us. We need a full time starter or a guy who can not die a horrible death every time there's a lefty pitching...preferably a guy who gets on base and actually hits the ball hard.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: No problem with Smith here, Gordon. He's not an Ethier-quality vR bat, but he's not coming off of a disaster year, either. Oh...he's significantly cheaper, btw. But he doesn't go play CF, which means the RHB platoon-guy we get to marry him to must play CF, as well. Can you say Souza? You might get Souza with Ackley. OK, add a MiLB OF bat, too. Then maybe you are there. Such a deal means that Miller becomes a COF, most likely. Souza plays 1B, too. We still don't have a 2nd one of those, unless it's Montero or Romero. We're we to sign Rasmus instead of Smith you could give Romero the vL AB's early and see what he's got. And I'm not quite sure what Bryce Harper's new contract means: is he signed for just two years or two year and then his arb cycle? I don't know. But I would sure send the Nats Walker for Harper.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: From MLBTR: "The Nationals recently offered the Mariners both Jordan Zimmermann and Ian Desmond in exchange for right-hander Taijuan Walker and shortstop Brad Miller, according to Rosenthal. However, the Mariners balked at giving up six years of Walker and five of Miller for just one year of Zimmermann and Desmond at a combined total of $27.5MM." Yeah, I can see that being a problem for us. They also say we're in on Seth Smith, which from a corner platoon POV is fine. I've said before that's an As sort of move.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: Or... y'know, Montero... *bitterbeerface* Boy do I hope his 8th chance is the one he makes good on, I guess. Of course, he can't back up at C except in emergencies any more. Can't play the OF (LoMo can probably run faster backwards than Montero can forwards, and LoMo is nobody I want manning a lot of OF either). Can't hit righties. But there's always a chance, right? Between Clement and Montero I'm done with terrible catchers who have power as their only calling card. Thank goodness Zunino is good at D.2 months 1 week ago

Gordon Gross: There are several teams in on Gattis, TR, who would fit that bill. But the Braves don't have a huge incentive to deal him yet. A Gattis / Upton trade gives us things we need, but I dunno that we're willing to offer what they want to make that happen. Our #5 prospect is quite a bit better than some other teams, if you consider Paxton and Walker "prospects." Just because Baseball America considers them out of the prospect category doesn't mean MLB teams do, and we're kicking suitors down that list a bit before they get to "acceptable" trades.2 months 1 week ago

Tacoma Rain: Is it time to look at back up catchers who can play RF or 1B??2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Allen Craig, Matt. He's still there in Boston. He's likely available. There is interest. There are teams that think he's not done. It will likely be Rios, I think, but Crig will hit .300 again for somebody.Right now, however, our most pressing needs are a RF (regardless of handiness) who can play CF, too...and a COF/1B2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: I bet we did bid 4 years. I feel better now...can't do anything if the other side just doesn't want to play with you...Alex Rios it is.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: BTW: Somebody was willing (according to reports) to go 4 years. Us?: 4:24pm: Cabrera rejected a four-year offer from an unknown team because his preference was to play for the White Sox, tweets CBSSports.com’s Jon Heyman.2 months 1 week ago

DaddyO: Now per MLBTR an unknown West Coast team did in fact bid four years for M.Cabrera, but he decided he preferred to play for the White Sox. Seems plausible that the mystery WC team was Seattle. That would explain a lot. Perhaps Jack signaled a fourth year was doable only to be signaled back that it just wasn't going to happen. If so, then Jack did do everything he reasonably could.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: Thinking about Souza, I was scouring some Nats' sites and their Harper dissatisfaction was a topic of interest. In all seriousness I began to wonder if we were discussing the less likely Nat: If you could get Bryce Harper and change for Taijuan Walker and change would you do the deal? I don't know what to read into the Harper issue. Is it their version of our Saunders events? I love Souza, but why not make a bid for Bryce Harper. The upside is huge and you hope Cano, Seager and Mac can get him to grow up some. Young stud for young stud would get everybody's attention. Beyond that I will add this: Matt, Seth Smith is way cheap and his career vR numbers are ,277-.358-.481. He's all we hope that Ackley and Saunders would become, vR. He's doesn't hit LHP with a darn, but we could do worse with the bat. Endy for example. Alas, he doesn't play CF. Which makes him a less than likely fit.2 months 1 week ago

Bat571: But trading for a younger, faster guy is a better plan than hoping.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Rios is, honestly, not a bad fit in the 2 hole either. Get a lefty who can play some CF to help out.2 months 1 week ago

Bat571: Looks like Rios, to me. I thought he was a "for sure" 'til he switched to Boras and started laying low waiting for teams to get desperate to run up his price. Well, maybe that is working - I expect he'll get 2 years now and probably $10M a year, rather than the 1/$8.5M that MLBTR predicted. But, trying to be rational about it, a 2-year contract fits better with what's coming than a longer one. And, though his splits last year were pretty wide (much wider than his career split of .749 vR, .800 vL) , a .646 against RH wouldn't have been the worst OPS amongst Ms regulars, and the .898 vL would surely have helped! So, here's hoping for Rios, with a trade for a younger, faster guy to supplement. And a Christmas wish for Montero to be what he looked like he could be and for JJ to learn to hit the bendy stuff.2 months 1 week ago

MtGrizzly: Yeah, it's probably down to the 1-2 year contract guys with platoon issues now. Rios makes the most sense, I guess. Byrd, maybe, as a trade candidate that won't cost Walker or Paxton.
One thing is for sure - the club cannot afford to go into ST with Endy Chavez as one of the top 4-5 OF in camp.2 months 1 week ago

benihana: Sounds like we weren't outbid. With nobody willing to go four years Cabrera took the offer closest to the east coast as he indicated was his preference. I would have gone 4. /shrug. Let's get Upton.2 months 1 week ago

okdan: Really want to see the M's go after an OBP guy for that #2 spot now. Zobrist, Fowler, Seth Smith, Aoki. Someone like that. Really bummed we couldn't get Melky to sign on the dotted line.2 months 1 week ago

DaddyO: Also, if this triggers Viciedo coming to the M's--- (apodosis omitted, just like in Genesis 3:22, with the same significance).2 months 1 week ago

DaddyO: Looks like the M's just couldn't resist the urge to repeat last year's Cruz mistake, shooting themselves in the foot instead of making an obviously needed roster-completing move, all over a relative pittance. Granted this time they got Cruz before doing so, but in the end you can't help but wonder if next offseason we'll be looking back at this as a the gaffe that kept on giving all year, the mistake that cost us the playoffs.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: We didn't get Melky BECAUSE we already had Cruz. This is a conservative FO and two 4 year/$50M FA's was very unlikely. There may be a fair argument in considering whether we should have just went and got Melky first.2 months 1 week ago

rick82: Outbid by the ChiSox. Why didn't they go more? If I had to guess, I think we're gonna see that Upton deal. Failing that, apparently the M's are more bullish on Romero than we thought. And why not. In 526 AAA ABs he's batted .300 with 23 HRs and 110 RBIs, and we aren't talking Salt Lake City or Colo Springs. He's had his first exposure at the big league level last season so that's out of the way. He and Miller can sting the ball from opposite sides. The M's must really like their talent - enough to hold firm on what was still a darned competitive offer and meanwhile discuss the ability to go creative in the OF if necessary. But I think they've got an good offer on the table for Upton, and may be prepared to sweeten it. Lloyd said we need two bats. He wouldn't have said it if it weren't a preordained priority I don't think it takes Walker to get a one year rental. It would probably take DJ, Marte, and Hultzen or Sanchez.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: This is really...really dumb. Letting Cabrera go top Chicago is AWFUL baseball by Zduriencik. The best option left is a Rios/Rasmus platoon2 months 1 week ago

GLS: I agree with Taro. Holding out on the 4h year for Melky makes very little sense to me.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: So we go four years for Nelson Cruz's age 35-38 seasons, but can't go four for Melky's 31-34 seasons. . Completely don't understand it. I we were picking one, Melky was the better choice.2 months 1 week ago

Taro: I'm not a fan of any of the alternatives the Ms are rumored to be interested in.. Rooting for Aoiki on cheap in the OF at this point.. Still want Souza but not holding my breath.2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: We could do worse than 2 years of Rios and 2 of Rasmus, btw. The former seems more likely now, doesn't he. I would still Souza, and wouldn't mind giving up Ackley to get it done. As well, I have no doubt that Kivlehan is ready by June. All the same, two relatively affordable/complementary veterans seems about right. A reminder: We need another guy who can play 1B (Morrison isn't a great bet to avoid injury) and we need that 2nd CF. Which one are you betting on there: Rasmus or Souza or Miller?2 months 1 week ago

moethedog: And here we go: Who's the next guy on our list? MLBTR.... The White Sox have agreed to terms with Melky Cabrera on a three-year contract, 670thescore.com’s Bruce Levine tweets. The deal is pending a physical. Cabrera is a client of the Legacy Agency. I didn't think he wanted to come to Seattle.2 months 1 week ago

rick82: Three U.S. born blacks out of a 40 man roster is actually pretty standard. Looking over previous M teams, it isn't out of the ordinary at all. The 80's had rosters that doubled the number, but not always.The 95 M's had two: Griffey, Vince Coleman. The 2001 team had Cammy, Rhodes, Al Martin, McLemore. It just seems like there used to be a lot more. Perhaps that's because such a high percentage of HOFers over the past 50 years were U.S. born blacks. Seems they once dominated the game. But even the 68 Cards had Brock, Flood, Gibson...and that's it. But they dominated the game.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: I notice that a big chunk of the guys in baseball who are african american play CF. I find that interesting.2 months 1 week ago

Bat571: I agree, Matt - getting Souza at this point, even though he's blocked in Washington will require either an overpay, or taking an unwanted contract back. But I'd still do Ackley and Medina for Souza and Leon in a heartbeat, even if it's an apparent overpay. Steamer has Souza at a .777 OPS, while they have Seager and Cruz at .767 and Morrison at .757 and Melky at .770. Cano is projected at .821. Yes, Souza would slot in nice between Seager and Morrison!2 months 1 week ago

John Pierce: The excitement generated for Souza must be based on his impressive minor league stats and not on his really, really short, unimpressive, stint in the majors. I am not sure Z would be interested in someone like Souza to finish filling in the big league roster.2 months 1 week ago

Bat571: Rick --I believe Austin Jackson is African-American as well. That gives the Mariners 3/40, which is 7.5% - about in line with all the other clubs. I agree there should be more, but the facilities, equipment and opportunities for high-level play have to be there also in their teen years - and in the "cold-weather" states that's a problem for all races and groups. The YMCAs and heated/AC'd basketball courts are much more inviting year-round.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: agreed GLS...I just think Souza is unlikely. He will cost a LOT more than VIciedo would.2 months 1 week ago

GLS: The thing about Viciedo is that he'll likely never be more than what he is. As a platoon player, he has some value if used correctly, but Souza has the upside to be a legitimate plus player.2 months 1 week ago

GLS: Two outfielders: 1) Melky and 2) Souza. I'd be pretty happy with that going into the season.2 months 1 week ago

John Pierce: Do we need more than Melky or somebody like him? Miller is the wild card that could fill in that 4th OF spot. Re-sign Chavez to go along with Bloomquist and you have a real versatile bench that could adequately fill in all the positions. Or not. ;))2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: Zduriencik reportedly wants to add two outfielders. If he'd like to get us both Viciedo and Cabrera, I could live with that.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: In the 20s through the 50s, the game of choice for young black men in the cities was baseball. In the 60s and 70s it became basketball and football and has never looked back. Meanwhile, the kids (especially the poor) in the Caribbean and certain parts of Central and South America are now playing either baseball or soccer. Societal forces being what they are...the game will continue to get increasingly Hispanic as white baseball players begin to be distracted by soccer and lacrosse.2 months 1 week ago

SABR Matt: at the present time, the game is 7.8% black, 2.2% asian, almost 40% Hispanic2 months 1 week ago

rick82: James Jones and Taijuan Walker are currently the only African Americans on our 40 man roster (happy to be checked on this). The demographics of this game have really shifted.2 months 1 week ago

okdan: I think Melky wants to come here and play with Cano and Cruz. But he's holding out for that 4th year, because he'd feel embarrassed perhaps if he was only worth 3, when his two buddies got much more. He is 4 years younger than Cruz, after all.2 months 1 week ago

GLS: I would just give Melky the 4th year. I'm not sure why it's an issue for a player that's been a pretty solid hitter for his career and can actually play an outfield corner. Granted, he's not winning a gold glove out there, but he can play the position.2 months 1 week ago

merks: So is it a coincidence that the M's are loading up on Dominican players as there DR Academy gets rolling or are they trying to create some kind of recruiting, symbiotic thing?2 months 1 week ago

Bat571: Last year is a QO or a $4M buyout; then he chooses which way he wants it. then at Cruz's level, which the Ms have said they're looking at, it's $46M guaranteed, and $56M+ if he deserves and takes the QO. Put a signing bonus on it to sweeten and let's go!2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Cabrera had said he wanted to stay east if he could...but all the east coast teams are ignoring him...so now he's choosing between KC, Seattle and maybe Texas.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I think what Melky wants is the best contract he can get...and so far...that's Seattle's...but he's trying to get them to go up a little more.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Interesting: I think it sounds like Melky doesn't want to head to Seattle. If he wanted to he would be here....Things may change.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: What I love about this is that it sounds like Melky WANTS to got to Seattle. We just need to offer him something reasonable.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: all of those options should be on the table. Let him choose.2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: I'd even do a vest / player option. 4th year vests with 500 appearances but player can void, sell it as a win-win.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Just give him 4 years guaranteed with lower AAV while hes on the ledge. 4/$50 seems fair. He could be worth another qualifying offer at the end of that deal. :-)2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: he keeps saying he wants it guaranteed. If he really must have it guaranteed...I'd do it...but if you can sell him on "but you'll trigger this no problem dude...seriously...it's easy...we're just covering our butts in case you have something completely catastrophic happen...so if you get 400 PA in 2017, 2018 is triggered...cool?" then I'd start with that.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Sounds like Cabrera is leaning hard in our direction and just checking to make sure no one else wants to play.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: agreed...if Cabrera is now "seeking 4" instead of "seeking 5" that means we're winning. Sounds like no one is offering four right now. All we have to do is give him a 4th year vest with an easy lid.2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: Rojas reporting the M's have offered Melky a 3 year deal and he's looking for a 4? I agree with Colin O'Keefe that this sounds like a leak from Melky's camp saying "going... going...?" - Melky at 3 years would be a coup, heck 'give in' and give him a vested fourth year with 500 plate appearances in year 3.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: This is why you get your air craft carriers in first...so they can sell your club to other good players. :)2 months 2 weeks ago

MtGrizzly: @RyanDivish: Cano said he's spoken briefly to Melky Cabrera about signing with the Mariners. And told him how much he and Cruz could help the team2 months 2 weeks ago

gnatto: I&#039;d do that in a second... which means it&#039;s probably not an even trade.2 months 2 weeks ago

Bat571: Washington still needs a 2B and some bullpen help. Still have dreams of getting Fister back, and thoughts of how nice Souza would fit on the 2015 club. If the Nats really want to dump Desmond, maybe there's still a deal in there? Fister, Desmond and Souza (both ML guys on one year deals left) for Ackley, Marte, Ramirez, and Guerrero +? (Guerrero as their Werth replacement in 2017?) Wonder what it would really take? I wouldn't do Paxton or Walker, but maybe Happ along with the others? If Melky and the Ms can meet at 4 years at Cruz-type pay, it would be nice.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: I'm in on that whole scenario. Find me that CF/RF/1B type of guy now to go along with. BTW, if Bloomie isn't locked in at utility/25th/play everywhere guy, we could have used one of those guys. Actually could be our own Romero, if he sees 2B and 3B time in ST. Even with Miller as McClemore we still need another guy who has an IF's glove.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Much of our OF speculation is dependent on Miller's role in '15 and beyond. It seems the M's think his footwork issues are serious enough to mean he must move off of SS, at least as a primary position. I can live with that as a transition to OF should be of no real challenge to him. So he goes to the OF. In '15 that would likely mean that he's the 4th OF and a BU SS. Lots of starts available as such, especially if he comes out of the OF blocks with some CF skills. If that is the Miller role, then Seth Smith/Rasmus talk is unneeded. But we still need that RH OF bat. Actually I would prefer we get a Smith/Rasmus guy AND Souza, still keeping Miller as an OF. It's Ackley I worry about. But whoever we get needs CF skills. Souza is going to be good. Kivlehan, too. Add miller to that group and you have a nice OF going forward.2 months 2 weeks ago

okdan: If I remember right, Taro called his shot on Seth Smith several years ago, hoping the M's would target him. Looking at Souza, is he a similar kind of player? Perhaps that type of player template has a higher degree of working out. Certainly Souza's defense provides a nice floor of value in case his bat doesn't play as well.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Montero's 2011 line in AAA for example was projected for a .261/.312/.435 line by ZIPS. He basically hasn't improved at all since then. Given his career line is .258/.302/.396 thats pretty close regressing for Safeco.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Basically Montero was all projection, whereas Souza is good NOW with projection beyond that.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: I was huge on Montero's potential, and I was wrong. But to be fair Montero never put up the MLEs that Souza did. Souza projects as a 2-3 WAR player NOW based on what he did in AAA. Montero never did, he was incredible based on age related performance at his level and had massive power upside. But he never performed as well as Souza. His MLEs were in the 0-1 WAR range and he just never got better from there. Souza RIGHT NOW is above-average player. Montero never was.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: I'm with Matt: Rios and Rasmus would be delightful! I'm with Taro: Souza will indeed be a player. But you could probably get both Rios and Rasmus for what Melky will cost per/year. 2X$8-$10M (with an option year) for Rasmus and something similar for Rios. Or just do Rasmus AND Souza, making all or us happy. You can get Souza fairly easily and sign Rasmus and have money to spend. Souza, btw, plays 1B, too. LoMo will need some breathers.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: How much did you love Jesus Montero before we traded for him?2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Just think Souza is a player. I like his combination of athleticism, swing, and performance.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Romero, Montero, Smoak, Peguero, Balentien, Clement...so...so many more. So many you won't possibly remember them all. And all but a scant tiny fraction of them have panned out. And that is not unique to the Mariners. There is a massive zero gravity moon step difference between an awesome AAA hitter and a proven major leaguer. All players have risks...but some are less risky than others. And for the record, Cruz's home run power transcends Safeco rather easily...and his hitter's park in Baltimore...has a mediocre at best HR factor to left. So...yeah...not worried about Cruz.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Taro...love your insights and all...but how many guys have we promoted in the last 12 years who had great minor league numbers?2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Every player you roster has some risk involved, included proven MLBers. Cruz will be a RH backspin 35 year old slugger with a career sub .330 OBP in hitters parks, and we've signed him for 4 years. I'd be more nervous about him than Souza in 2015, and especially beyond that. Souza has the performance in the high minors combined with insane athleticism. I think hes underrated due to being a football convert and a late bloomer.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: you don't take that sort of risk when this is the best chance you have of winning the WS. Souza can be a fourth outfielder option...not a starter.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Souza is not reliable. That's not sufficient to this moment.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: I'm thinking Melky would want 'at least' 4 years gauranteed if hes looking for 5. If Ms stay hard at 3 they won't land him, vesting option for 4th or not. Just give him 5 with a lower AAV. 5/$55 or something in that range. Or deal for Souza (my favorite option).2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Rasmus and Rios would be a fine platoon with CF helper potential and would be cheaper than Cabrera. I like Cabrera better even with more money involved, but Rios/Rasmus would also be fine with me.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Rios and Rasmus would be... extensive. By himself I'm not huge on Rios. A Rios/Rasmus platoon would be damaging. Playing with brass knuckles. I hope the Ms take the velvet gloves fully off this offseason. Zduriencik has waited half a decade to wade into the fight with fists flying - let's make it worth the wait. I'm fine with making Beane cry into his collapsing-budget cup o' coffee.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: The Rios card might not bluff the Melky team guys: In '12 Rios was a heck of a player. In '11 he was a dud. In '13 and '14 he was basically a split heavy .280-.320-.420 guy with a pretty scraggly glove. There doesn't seem to be much Rios market out there right now, which might be a neat quality. You could probably get him for 2 years and not break the bank. Over the last two years Viciedo has hit RHP at a .738 and .689 clip. Rios has hit at .714 and .646 rate. Just saying. But he does continue to beat lefties up, so as a 4th OF-paired with Ackley, as Matt suggests, Rios would be great. He's been at .889 and .898 vL the last two years. That's rip-roaring. But it means that you need a RF who can play CF, as Rios no longer does.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Rios and Miller would be a neat combo, perhaps. If the hint that we had interest in Seth Smith is true that might also be a place to go. Smith and Rios would be an interesting tandem. But you're still a CF short. Smith is what you hope Ackley becomes. And he's cheap for 3 years. But unless it's Jones, Miller or Endy...we need a CF glove to go with the one we've got. Bloomie? No thanks...2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Good call on Desmond there Taro … is trending down … trends aren't the absolute (I'll take a Cano, even if trending down, over Franklin age 26) but Dr. D and the HQ mouse in his pocket agree.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: yes, true. "Look...you're not going to get ifve years guys...but maybe we can do four if the fourth is a vest for 130 games played in 2017 - deal?"2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Puts them in a position tho to close the deal. "We're going to go with Rios. If we did an easy vesting option on Melky for the 4th year, would we be getting close? Gotta decide tonight."2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: grrr...nails on a chalkboard if it's true that the Mariners won't go past three years for Cabrera. That's just dumb.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: hm....I always thought Elsa was the principle villain of that movie until Anna made her see the light. :)2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Ice Palace, conjured out of nothing, like Frozen. A lame homeowner but a dazzling jewel box to display the protagonist in2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: this should be fun...beni is killing it over there...giving us a palace to live in.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Thanks go to Ben there Matt … where you, Gordon, and Spec are on the front page, that's pretty much up to you and Ben … I'm flexible. I loved the bottom row on his bidness site but I think he has an even better idea2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: That's quite a layout Benihana is putting together. VERY swanky, and only gonna get swankier from the looks of things (and from some of the potential plug-ins like a chatroom for games or whatnot). Lookin' good!2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Wow...love the general look and feel of the new site, Doc...where would your co-contributors be features in a site designed like that...in the menu bar below the front panel?2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: BTW, if Melky is seriously looking for a 5/60 deal and no one will go beyond three... give him year four, call it 4/50 and take an offseason victory lap. That's cheaper over 4 years than CarGo is over 3. Boras is just gonna jerk us around over Rios, and I'm not in the mood. Glad that Dutton thinks we're cool on Desmond and on Taijuan+ for Upton. Gimme my bat and let's break for a celebratory dinner.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Desmond loves to swing for the fences, and that's a tough row to hoe in Safeco as a righty glove infielder. I'm fine with Melky, or with CarGo from the Rox for moderate pieces. I'd be fine with Rasmus and Souza. I'm NOT fine with Viciedo. I like the Rule 5 kid, and am glad we've gotten Seager extended, Cruz signed and I'm even good with Saunders for Happ depending on what we do after that. Still got that large and looming hole in RF, tho... let's not fall back to some of these worthless positions, shall we?2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Enough with these Miller for Desmond rumors and Viciedo…. Enough. We should be talking to the Nats about Souza, but I'm giving up on that as there are rumors pointing to it. Just sign Melky, and end the madness.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Desmond is trending down. 4 years straight of declining SwS% and contact rate. His K rate jumped last year and AVG took a hit. In fact his BABIP was lucky in 2014 compared to his historical rates (jump in pop ups, decline in LDs). SS defense declining. Class buy high scenario and profile of a player that is aging early. HUGE NO. Makes no sense whatsoever. I would not even be confident that he'd be an upgrade in 2015 over Miller with the league switch and Safeco (which is a horrible match for his swing).2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: The Royals let Billy Butler go to the As for 3/30 and then their replacement plan is... 2/17 for Kendrys? I mean, it saves you 1.5 mil a year, but really? Betting on the rebound, I guess, or they REALLY thought Butler was done.2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: Heh, we gave them Morse, we gave them Rendon, we took Morse off their hands. We pretty much handed them Fister. That good catcher they have? - I remember when he was a consolation prize in trade talks with Minnesota. We wouldn't pull the trigger and they swooped in and got a very good catcher. Didn't they have Raffy Soriano at one time? I want something good in return from that franchise for all we've done for them. And I'm not talking the next old version of Jose Vidro.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: We already gave Rendon to the Nats - I guess we're just trying to help out around the rest of their infield.2 months 2 weeks ago

drm: Maybe it includes an OF? I really don't get the M's trading for a SS. I feel like these rumors all come from the other teams because the M's don't talk. It's kind of annoying,all these trade rumors so lopsided against the M's.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Desmond and Souza for Miller (and a relief arm, I assume) might have some traction. But the Desmond thing seems to be picking up steam.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: The rumor mill is very insistent on this Ian Desmond for Brad Miller thing. It does seem like it's Washington pushing the deal to get Miller (per Rosenthal and others who are probably quoting Rosenthal). It's nice to have players other people want, for once.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Kivlehan will likely be ready (me talking) by the time we would call him up early, give him 40 Tacoma games, or so.....SF just won a WS with Joe Panik playing an core role: Is his pedigree (at this point) any better than Kivlehan's> Give me a RF who OPS's anywhere north of 105 and we will be fine. Pay $57M to get 130 from Melky. I want that RF bat, too. But we could do with a Rasmus type and then Kivlehan, when he's "ready."2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: I'd be trying to pawn Viciedo off on somebody too if I were the ChiSox. It had better not be us unless there's a genius plan at work that requires some sort of ritual sacrifice.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Kivlehan&#039;s not ready. I&#039;m tired of throwing guys who aren&#039;t ready and haven&#039;t seen enough pro pitches up to the bigs and watching them struggle for the first 2-3 years of their careers offensively because they&#039;re not ready. Seager was a success. But Zunino? Should be getting to the bigs now, MAYbe. Ackley was rushed to his detriment. Same with Romero. I don&#039;t want Kivlehan to be the next Romero. We can&#039;t afford that # of squandered ABs.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Glad to hear from Divish and Dutton that this Viciedo thing is likely from them, not us. Viciedo is TERRIBLE.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I am not pinning this season on Kivlehan. I'm a big Kivlehan fan, but I'm really gosh darned tired of hoping we can win if our rookie with not very much high minors time can miraculously land with a splash.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Rasmus/Kivlehan : How about that? Viciedo hits lefties and that has value...but as I've pointed out, he must be part of a deal that includes a lefthand bat who plays CF. If that isn't Miller, then it's somebody we get. I've said all along that I wouldn't kick if we just told Kivlehan, "Hit the ball!" But even then, we need the other CF, unless it is Jones, who I'm not in on.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: What are the Tigers doing? They haven't signed Scherzer, who is a 220 inning per year free agent, and they just traded Porcello, who is a 200 inning per year man. What if Scherzer doesn't come back? The Tigers' rotation will be Verlander and Price and then roll the dice. Or something.2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: Bob Dutton tweeting Viciedo talks have cooled. Divish indicating that interest last year and likely now stemming from Chicago not the M's.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Colby Rasmus is the only guy who comes to mind, since he hits righties pretty well, can play D when he wants to, and is deficient against same-handed pitching (.650 OPS vs. lefties, .790 vs, righties). But why Viciedo as the other half of that kind of platoon?2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: The ONLY way that makes even a bit of sense is if they're bringing in a good-fielding lefty OF and they're gonna platoon RF. Who would that be? Aoki doesn't mash righties (in fact, hits better against lefties for his career, so why platoon him?), Ichiro can't hit righties AT ALL now... who would be the left-handed RF in question who's worth a platoon with the otherwise-useless Viciedo?2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Viciedo is a replacement level player, literally. There's no good reason for that to be our final add. He'll probably make a little less than Saunders will, but not a lot less, and Saunders is the far superior player. Being able to hit lefty pitchers decently is only useful for about 150 at-bats a year - I don't want to pay him $3+ million for that solitary skill. There would have to be another move there, and I don't see what it would be. I'll be pretty ticked off too, Matt.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: You will never have seen me so angry about the Mariners if their second big move is Viciedo. Bullcrud.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: #$%^&($^%&()#$^%&()$^%&(*)$#^%&()%R$^*()#$%^&*()$^&(*) Mariners and White Sox in "serious talks" regarding Viciedo. The thing we'd give up would be a reliever. This completely and totally blows.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: to get all the pitchers on here...we will have to carry a THREE man bench...not four. Because the bullpen will have eight guys in it.2 months 2 weeks ago

Spectator: Had to double check myself here. Lucas Luetge in 2011 was ALSO 24, ALSO in AA, ALSO had been previously drafted by Z, ALSO struck out 32 lefties and ALSO walked just 6 lefties (though he faced 112 instead of 86), and ALSO gave up just 3 XBH to lefties (though his were all doubles). Freaky.2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: Masterson will earn $9.5MM plus incentives. I ain't sad about getting J.A. Happ, not sad at all. And Matt, the M's are gonna have to run a 4 man bench with one spot taken up by back-up catcher. Miller/Taylor, Willie B, gotta have guys there that can go everyday and play multiple positions. Another reason why Saunders wasn't a fit. Can't afford to take days off with such a short bench.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: If you want a cheat-sheet, then Rollins = lefty Farquhar. Much like Danny gets a bit too in love with his cutter when he doesn't need to, Rollins can be a bit too happy to throw a changeup or slider and keep dudes around in games. But the stuff is there, and the arm is live. IMO, a good and cheap pickup by Jack to fill a hole, if one of the best pens in baseball has such a thing as a hole.2 months 2 weeks ago

Spectator: No M's got taken in the major-league phase.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: I wondered if we were gonna steal a lefty in the Rule 5 to add to our pen options from that side. Rollins is a cheap bet, especially with a slider that gets really good marks and an up-to-mid-90s heater. I've only seen him throw a couple times, but he looks hard to pick up. If you're gonna get a LOOGY, get one with a killer breaking ball. We've got a couple options there now. I like the bet. He should explode with only a pen role to worry about.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Lara is probably a better 1B prospect than Alex Liddi was... but no, I don't expect anybody to jump on him. Ogando shouldn't go anywhere. He can't throw strikes yet, and you can't carry him long enough to work that out (unless it's a Matt Thornton situation I guess). Pries could probably hurt us the most simply from a pitching depth perspective in the upper minors, but nobody's really at risk this year. Without trade, IIRC next year will be a different story. Blash might go, just for a look. Be like someone stealing Peguero.2 months 2 weeks ago

Spectator: M's take David Rollins, LHP from Astro org. in Rule 5 draft. They actually drafted him twice in 09 and 10 in the regular draft, but he didn't sign until picked by BlueJays in 11. Oddly enough, went to Houston in the trade that sent J.A. Happ to Toronto. Numbers are fairly interesting at first glance, but not one of the guys Baseball America listed, even as a lefty specialist. Jon Sickles had him listed under "others." Just so ya know.2 months 2 weeks ago

Silentpadna: M's pick up Rollins from the Astros in Rule 5. 3rd time's the charm I guess after drafting him twice ('08 and '09)...2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: 2 years 17-18.5 million for Morales. No thank-you.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: nice pick-up for the sox after trading for Porcello...their rotation of the Wade Miley thing goes through would be basically 5 #3s.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: I think the Dodgers and Red Sox did great here.2 months 2 weeks ago

Spectator: Rule 5 draft coming up soon. Baseball American sez Steven Baron or Jochi Ogando could get picked from M's. No great loss. We've got plenty of RH pen options ahead of Ogando. Baron is a bust. Predicts that eligible Jabari Blash and Jordy Lara won't get picked since too far away from helping on an MLB roster. Lara isn't really a prospect in my book anyway though I know he has his fans. I could see someone taking a longshot look at Blash since that kind of raw power doesn't come around every day. FWIW.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Walker = Zimmerman only if there are years added to Zimm's contract. One and done isn't good enough.2 months 2 weeks ago

misterjonez: I thought the Dodgers acquisition of Rollins was basically a done deal? That team keeps taking on salary; it makes me wonder when they're going to finally shed some of their existing payroll. That Markakis deal makes Ethier slightly more movable, which strikes me as kind of bonkers.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: so it's a three team trade...Dodgers get their 2B...Angels now have a massive hole on their infield...color me confused.2 months 2 weeks ago

merks: Looks like the Angels are acquiring Andrew Heaney from Dodgers for Howie Kendrick. Dodgers have been busy today.2 months 2 weeks ago

misterjonez: Right. But the deal *must* include a long-term solution to a COF spot if we're surrendering Walker. I agree with you two there, and yeah...Zimmermann in this rotation makes it potentially historic.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: I'd do Walker for Zimmerman + Souza. An ace for 2015 + Long term solution in OF with an athletic young player that is very well rounded (hit, walk, power, speed, defense). + pick next year.2 months 2 weeks ago

misterjonez: Agreed, Taro. Souza by his lonesome is a better fit, and would probably be worth a bit to this club. I'm not entirely sure how we would incorporate Zimmermann, anyway...Felix, Kuma, Happ, Paxton, Elias and Walker makes six already, forgetting about Hultzen lurking in the shadows like a cowled Darth Maul with only his demonic eyes visible beneath his hood. Depth is all well and good, but at the expense of giving Walker and Paxton cracks at breaking into the league in a big way? I'm not sure it's a good idea. The only way it makes sense to me is if Walker gets us Kemp, in which case I understand the desire to push the chips in for the 2015 season by acquiring Zimmermann. This team, plus Zimmermann and Kemp, would be pretty amazing though and would probably be worth sacrificing Walker. Too bad LAD pushed Z off with their demands.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Why are we targeting Desmond and not Souza? Zimmerman + Souza is a much better fit for our roster.2 months 2 weeks ago

misterjonez: Yeah, it makes me wonder if Jack started with something more along the lines of "Ackley for Desmond, or Ackley+Elias for Desmond and Zimmermann," and the Nats countered with the rumored "Miller+Walker" stuff. I have a hard time believing that Jack would go anywhere near that for a pair of nothing more than quality rentals, especially when he won't fork over Walker for Kemp/Upton according to reports.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: A terrible offer. Were Zimmerman signed for 5x$17M, or something like that and the bat you send was Ackley, well then a guy would go, "Hmmmmmmm," just because you could swap out the one year of Desmond with some other team. But even then, it would be 5 years of Zimmerman for Walker and Ackley for whatever Desmond could bring. Actually, that I might do. But Zimmerman isn't signed and Ackley isn't in the deal. A bad no good ugly offer.2 months 2 weeks ago

misterjonez: Ok, I short-sold Zimmermann a little bit. He had a nifty year in 2014, so he'd get Cy Young votes if he did that again. But I'm still not sure that the marginal upgrade he provides would be worth all that much to the M's, who already have an extremely talented rotation. Still, the draft picks next year for he and Desmond would be intriguing...not worth Taijuan Walker, I don't think, but definitely intriguing.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: and given that we didn't want to give up walker for KEMP...I'm gonna guess Z left that meeting angry2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: that is a HILARIOUSLY bad trade offer...if someone offered me that in fantasy, I'd block their email address and never trade with them again.2 months 2 weeks ago

misterjonez: Yeah, no way I'd do that if I was Z. If it was somehow Zimmerman and Kemp (I know, it would take a 3+ team deal) for Walker and Miller, that would actually make sense. But no way do we give up TWO cost-controlled, elite prospects for a pair of rentals neither of which, while being very good players in their own rights, are MVP/Cy Young contenders. That would be a bad, bad idea. But like I said, if somehow you swapped Desmond for Kemp, that actually gets some traction.2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: Nats wanted to do Zimmerman and Desmond for Walker and Miller according to Ryan Dvish, M's said no.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Honestly, that's a "Desmond and Fister for Miller and stuff" kind of conversation, I would have to guess. Still makes no sense.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: There's no good reason to be interested in a year of Desmond. Jack is troling reporters at the Winter Meetings after emptying the minibar and gorging himself on mini-sausages crowned with olives.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: How weird is this: (MLBTR) The Nationals and Mariners have discussed Ian Desmond on several occasions but talks between the two teams have yet to really gain traction, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reports (via Twitter). Washington likes Brad Miller, so conceivably the young shortstop could be part of a larger package the M’s would send back to D.C. Desmond is a FA after '15. He can swing the RH bat.....but this is weird-weird. One year of him for Miller? Eeeeek. If there is any truth to the rumor...there must be other significant players involved. Weird...2 months 2 weeks ago

merks: Per Rosenthal Nationals talking with M's- Ian Desmond for Brad Miller and pieces. Nothing close at this time but have spoken often.2 months 2 weeks ago

misterjonez: Interesting deal between LAD and MIA. Miami sends a quartet of players to LA in exchange for Dee Gordon and Dan Haren (whose $10mil salary will be picked up by LA, assuming he doesn't go through with his threat of retirement in the event he finds himself playing anywhere but SoCal). The Dodgers get a cool SP in Heaney, who was the #9 pick overall in 2012, but I'm not really sure what this trade does for them overall. Seems strange for a team that's talked incessantly about wanting to shed salary in recent months.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: And one of the beat writers said, rather darkly "If you want to be an everyday player, you need to be ready when called on" ...2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: So I agree with moj - might was well talk about adding Stanton this offseason for all the likelihood of it happening. Watch, now they'll sign morse and neither he nor Cruz will be able to play the OF. It'll be hilarious.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Morse will never come back here after we cost him millions with a misdiagnosis and then compounded that by telling him it was all in his head and he was a weak-minded ballplayer, essentially.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: After listening to Michael Saunders talk about being traded, I don't think he was very cool with being in a platoon or a fourth outfielder or a supersub or having days off. Many bloggers wanted to see Saunders in the supersub role. Condor wants a starting job above all else, probably for free agency purposes.
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Saunders probably forced the trade with a demand to get everyday playing time. I think this is a little bit delusional of Condor, as his fades and sprains from everyday playing time were predictable as clockwork, and could probably been avoided and mitigated with half time play.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: I think this is all academic. When Morse played for the Mariners,the team didn't discover the spiral fracture, or whatever it was, in his wrist, and the ownership and fans ran him out of town on a rail after he hit like a feeb. I don't think the Mariners and Morse and sending each other Christmas cards anymore.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: There&#039;s a solid argument against Cruz. We have 2 articles up as to his consistency. The 7 Surprising Things and the Taste the Triple Guns pieces. Suspensions aside, Cruz has missed about the same # of games 2012-14 as Robinson Cano. He has provided *end results* rather than component skills.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Doc, you have a point on RBI with HR hitters, but I its too much a premium to pay. In general I'll swap an 780 OPS for a 780 OPS. I prefer the HR hitter, but won't pay much of a premium for it.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: All that said, I'm cool with it as long as we actually DO spend the money. If its Cruz and Melky, then great. If its Cruz and Viciedo, then I have a major problem with it.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: No its all good. That's just the thing though. How do we know we can count on Cruz? Hes an aging bat. Morse has a slightly better career wRC+ and OPS+, played in more pitchers parks in his career, and hes younger. He was terrible with us due to his injury, but I wouldn't see that as a problem going forward. Predicting aging hitters is extremely difficult.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: (p.s. just so we're clear...I'm speaking with intention hyperbole to make a point and to be somewhat entertaining/funny...not attacking you, taro)2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Given that we tried Morse before, and he hurt himself blinking too hard and then whined about the Mariner medical staff...I'm inclined to say enough is enough with the 33 year old guys who might be OK if they miraculously defy father time and stay healthy. STOP THE MADNESS...sign someone you can count on.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: who cares about cheap now, taro? Seriously...who...the...heck...CARES? We should be spending like drunks. That is all there is to it...we have a regional sports network and are showing the willingness to up payroll to 140 million. We have a flotilla of young, talented players coming up to fill in the holes at any time and a GM whose specialty IS young cheap players and who has proven to be TERRIBLE at picking cheap veterans.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: In fairness, we've been speculating on the Corey Harts, Michael Morses, Holdout Kendryses, Jack Custs, and Milton Bradleys for quite a few years. All those guys have Nelson Cruz' skill set on paper. What they lacked was 100 RBI off the paper ;- )2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: I see Morse vs Cruz projecting similarly over the next couple years. It wouldn't shock me if Morse out produced him or if Cruz were slightly better. You never know when guys will age. The difference in contracts is going to be massive. Morse is just a cheaper, better gamble IMO. But the deal is done, so it is what it is. Take the upgrade and add to it.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I mean no offense taro...none at all...but Morse??? You really think he's the guy to get us into the world series? If you have the money to spend to get a legit MOTO bat...you spend it, even if you have to overpay a bit. I think Cruz will finish around .260/.315/.490-.500 and be worth +30-+35 runs on offense.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Morse is absolute cow dung. Anyone saying the answer to our shortage of right handed power is Mike Morse is not understanding the depth fo the problem and is overestimating Morse's ability to stay healthy and productive consistently. Sorry...no. Just no. We had 40 million dollars to spend this offseason...wasting any on Morse when there were better options we could afford is just plain foolish.2 months 2 weeks ago

Grumpy: Maybe the fallback is to sign Morse and then have Cruz in for a RF-DH rotation? Maybe they don't want to block the upcoming OF prospects for 4-5 years? Who knows what they're thinking.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Viciedo is just one of a thousand guys that can't check a slider. Add his terrible defense and you have a RL player. Even adjusting for BABIP, Viciedo was under replacement level last year.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Benihana's shout: +1. James has discussed this some. In a softball game that is 31 to 27, there's no difference between a single and an HR; you just want to avoid an out. The "ticking time bomb" baseball game is when the score is 0-0 or 1-1 all the way through, nobody can string offensive events, and you're waiting for a hero. Cruz is that, no doubts there.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Glad to be back Doc! Life has just been too crazy the last couple years to participate. Always been reading, always enjoy your stuff. :-)2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Technically Viciedo's XctX was .280'ish, not his xAVG … that's his hard-hit-ball rate times his contact rate. Also his xAVG and XctX is historically not bad, but it dipped as his found his power, then bounced back. I'm not recommending the guy!, but there are some similarities to Evan Gattis there, minus a notch of power. The M's have *always* liked Viciedo.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: I expect him to hit .250/.310/.480 ish (mid to high 20s HRs), which will be somewhere around 1.5 WAR. He'll feel like David Ortiz compared to our DHs last year, but who knows when he starts aging. Don't like that contract. Preferred a dip into someone like Morse, who will be significantly cheaper and probably similar in value for 2015-2016. But it is what it is. Z had a man crush. He will be an upgrade, and now dipping into Melky makes more sense (and I think he is twice the player Cruz is from here on out).2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Agreed that WAR is completely useless for DH. I never even bother to look for WAR there because the position adjustment is complete hokum2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Glad Taro is back! :- ) So I hate to ping-pong vs. his "premium" shouts to start off with … but one return of serve is: Cruz was the *first* RH masher in. It's kinda like Seager's first $100M being worth more than his next $100M ...2 months 2 weeks ago

rjjunior: IMO, wRC+ is the only number that matters for full-time DH&#039;s. WAR is largely unhelpful due to many factors, including, but not limited to, the positional adjustment. If he puts up 120+, he&#039;s worth it.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Ya, that will actually cost him a few runs switching to full time DH. I kind of feel that the DH penalty is too harsh, but even then I think overpaying Cruz so early was a bad tactical strategy. Buying high.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Of the top 5 teams in HRs hit last year, only the Orioles made the playoffs. HRs definetlyhelp, but you need other forms of production. Last year was the first time in four years Cruz was worth more than 2 WAR. Hes a 34 year old bat that provides no production either than HRs off of a career year in a launchpad. I think he'll produce and compared to what we've had recently he'll look awesome. But I expect more of 2011-2013 regressed for Safeco than his 2014 line, which is pretty underwhelming for a bat only player. Hes an upgrade, but I think we significantly overpaid.2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: I think that Cruz's value is specifically higher as league average scoring goes down. When locked into a pitchers duel a guy who can hit 40 home runs translates directly into increased wins. I think OBP is more valuable in a high scoring game, slugging more valuable in a low scoring game. With the lower scoring trend, a GUY like Nelson Cruz is a very impactful piece.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: agreed that Cruz by himself would be disappointing...strongly disagreed on Cruz's status as an impact hitter (he's been nothing if not consistent...no reaso to think he's on the verge of collapsing). But I really want to get Cabrera in here and finish the offseason right.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: I would have been fine with letting the Orioles win the bidding for Cruz. But now that we are invested and the 1st rounder is moot (and Saunders is out of town), I like the idea of targeting Melky. He was a tremendous hitter during his breakout years in 2011 and 2012. His 2013 was zapped due the tumor, but his 2014 was better than it looks on the surface. His BABIP was well below career norms based on batted ball outcomes in 2014. This is not even comparing to his BABIP outcomes in 2011-2012. Hes also been caught for PEDs in the past, which bodes well for his aging curve. A top spin hitter that hits the ball hard is a good fit for the park. I still don't get the Cruz signing (and don't think hes an impact player going forward), but adding Melky would make it sweeter and give us a pretty potent offense.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: correct, Rick...and Taro, Cruz is higher-impact than Cabrera as an addition for this specific team and they wanted to make sure they got him in first.2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: Probably because they feel they can go four years, Taro. With Cruz, they knew the Orioles would win the bidding war if they didn't add the additional year.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: I still don't get giving into Cruz and playing hardball with Melky. Both are bat first, lead glove corner OFs. Cruz better recently, Melky better over the course of the last 4 years (minus injury riddled 2013). Melky is signficantly younger and his bat profiles better in Safeco. In five years Melky will be 35 years old. Cruz will turn 35 during the upcoming season. Why are you chiseling the extra year on the 30 year old when you didn't on the 34 year old? It makes no sense to me.2 months 2 weeks ago

drm: Now that Lester has signed, I wonder if the free agent market will really start moving? Who else is interested in Melky? I haven't heard of any other team really interested? I'm worried we are being used again, ala Fielder.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I think Melky is being dumb though...he's not going to beat the Mariners AAV (14.5 mil per year) and he should want to try again after 4 years for another multiyear deal.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: although...despite my usual preference for not bidding against myself...I'd throw a vesting option for year five at him2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: They are holding out on Melky because he has lower upside and they don't want to get locked in for too long to that2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Stills options out there that make sense if Melky is no longer on the table: Dealing for Souza with Taylor+RP.. and/or signing Aoki cheap.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: I don't understand why the Ms are holding out on Melky if they gave into Cruz. Melky is more likely to age well. Once they gave that deal to Cruz, I assumed money was no longer an obstacle. If it was, you should explored your options more before signing Cruz and dealing Saunders.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Viciedo has less than a season's worth of ABs vs lefties in his career so its not a reliable yet. In fact in 2014, he was better vs RHs. Overall he is a poor hitter and terrible fielder. I wouldn't even want him as a platoon bat since hes so awful defensively and his bat is terrible fit for the park. Just overall, hate the idea of him on the roster. Its an absolute joke if hes the starter, but even as a bench bat I really, really hate the idea.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Hi Moe, I don't dislike the idea of going with a platoon in RF. Theres some merit to going that direction. But I really, really dislike the idea Viciedo in particular.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Beni: By George, I think you've got it (perhaps)! I should have thought of Miller as a vR RF option and a consideration in the Saunders trade. Interesting. Taro: Viciedo beats lefties up. He certainly can hit them. On the other hand, Matt, Miller (maybe) and Viciedo gives you at least 90% of Saunders. Rasmus and Viciedo is 110% of Saunders, equal to Saunders and Viciedo. Jay, as a top of the order guy and CF heir-apparent, would be even better (if you could afford the Cards' asking price). I disliked the Saunders trade as much as anybody. He was nice...but fragile and not THAT nice. He's replaceable.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Yep. Cargo's got three years left on his deal (3yrs/53 mill), and I like him for that. If Colorado is kicking in a few million we can spare them some secondary pieces, but I'm guessing they don't want to cough up the cash and would rather ride with Cargo assuming he'll recover. To overcome that inertia, I'm not sure what we'd have to trade them.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: If we can't get a reasonable pruchase price for Upton, I would prefer Cargo, yes. Rasmus is the emergency desperation move.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Matt, I think Carlos Gonzalez or Colby Rasmus are the fall-back positions if Melky won't sign and the other trades are all asking for the golden calf along with a lifetime subscription to Popular Mechanics. Problem with Cargo: he's not likely to be traded for less than his healthy value, but nobody's really sure what that is.2 months 2 weeks ago

drm: Well, I wish this would hurry up and finish, one way or the other. The waiting is killing me!2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: I'm beginning to think that 'natural' outfielder Brad Miller beat out Michael Saunders for a job. Trade makes more sense when you think of Saunders as the M's "left-out"-fielder.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: if they trade for Viciedo, the Saunders deal becomes manifestly retarded. Like...a person with an 80 IQ would understand it was bad. I love Happ, but you can get 90% of what I think Happ will do by just re-signing Chris Young or going after Masterson gets you 100% at slightly more money. And if my choice is Viciedo and Happ (minus whatever we gave up for Viciedo) or Saunders and a bad RH platoon buddy and a free agent starter who costs too much or is risky...I go for the latter every single time.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: indeed Gordon. Still plenty of trade targets available. Sounds like the Braves want too much for Gattis...but may be swayed on Upton with the right finagling. Kemp is off the table for us, but there is also Carlos Gonzalez and possibly Troy Tulowitzki (longshot)...there could be Jay Bruce or John Jay or Colby Rasmus...it's not like it's Melkman or bust. Melkman is just my preferred target.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Being willing to move on, and actually moving on, are different things. Being willing is good - we've been caught in years past waiting and waiting... and waiting... for a free agent to make up their mind / to use our offers to get the deal they really want with a different team. Can't get stuck in that spot this time. And if he doesn't want to come here for the price we'll pay there's not a lot we can do except TO move on.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Viciedo can't hit or field. Of course he can occasionally hit a HR, which apparently is all you need for Z to be interested in you.2 months 2 weeks ago

drm: You think they are still in on Melky? I'm getting worried that the M's have moved on.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Somebody should explain to Melky that he's more likely to get another multi-year contract to end his career if he goes 4 years now instead of 5. It's both good business sense for him (assuming he believes he doesn't have to roid to stay productive for the next 4 years) and for us to go 4.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: If you look at Viciedo as 1/2 of a RF solution then he's a good guy to have. An Earl W. type of guy. I liked him in this role last year. The Tank has his lefties to the tune of .291-.331-.507 over his career. That ain't chopped liver! It compares decently to Gattis but trails Upton. Cruz is, btw, .289-.364-.522. Tank has played some LF as well as RF, 1B, too. At somewhere around $4M per he's cheap. ERam in swap, perhaps? That idea has been tossed about elsewhere.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Ideally Viciedo would RF platoon against lefties and give LoMo some days off at 1B. But it would mean we must get another RF (preferably a LHB) who can play CF, too. Then you're looking at Rasmus, etc. I like the effort to get Melky to 4 years and it likely means there isn't a huge Melky market out there, at 5 years anyway. But I wouldn't kick at Viciedo, who is a complementary player and brings a skill set the M's most sorely missed last year. He would be easy to move and he wouldn't block Kivlehan and Pizzano, COFs who will show up soon enough. AS part one of a two-part OF move, I have no problem with this.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: BigMtnMonkey - sent it all along to the admins. Trust me, we feel your pain2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Can't say I'd blame the M's for digging in, as far as Melky Cabrera and the 2019 season. And (Kemp, Upton, Cruz, etc) they're getting a rep for being both forwardgoing, and principled. Real nice blend, as Jay-Z would put it.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: M's pressuring Melky, in the newspapers, to forgo the 5th year … using Dayan Viciedo as the foam rubber baseball bat … Viciedo is not AS lame as he looks, is somewhat comparable to a RH Logan Morrison (age 26 with serious UPside) but by all accounts is You-Glee in the outfield. Fairly light foam rubber it sez here.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Klat is establishing the new platform. By a delightful coinkydink, so is Dr. D personally, with modem brownouts, Twitter radiation and general loss of all perspective. Hospital time warps are being served alongside the Drs' beside-yourself zaniness. Anybody riding it out is likely to contract a case of our Sensible Insanity.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Re Trumbo: Tongue-in-cheek, I hope Matt. Tongue-in-cheek...... And the Yankees are liberal spenders.......the Mariners are (or have been) conservative ones. Call it what you will, it amounts to the same thing.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: New Roenis Elias article at http://drdetectovision.wordpress.com. Next coupla articles will be here at SSI. Notably one on Seager's remaining UP side2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: from the "thank goodness that didn't happen" files - Seattle was evidently on the verge of flipping Saunders to the Jays for Mark Trumbo if the Jays could work out the details on getting Trumbo...the if part didn't happen...WOW am I glad we got Happ instead...MUCH rather have Happ2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: The Mariners, BTW, are not "conservative" - they are profit-obsessed. There's a difference. They have no problem spending all the money that they feel they can spend in order not to go into the red.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: that's an inaccurate way to phrase the comparison, moe. Fowler will cost about 5 million less than Melky in year one and then be gone. So...$54 million over four years (about 14.5 mil per year) for Melky or...9 million and then a gigantic hole in your line-up.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Agree with Miller: I've been in on his OF use, especially considering Taylor's proclivity at all levels to get on base. But Miller in the OF likely is a 4th OF situation or it means Ackley is moving on. I'm not seeing us with 2 LHB COFs. Saunders went because we chose Ackley over him. I would have no problem with Miller getting a RF shot in the event that Ackley is gone in trade for a RHB. Romero is hardly a "non-prospect." In his 185 AAA/AAA games he's hit north of .300 AND ISO'ed about .220. His first MLB rodeo wasn't pretty....but to label him a non-prospect is too harsh. If he's with the M's he will bat in the majors in '15 and it won't be a failure. I appreciate the TV revenue $, beni, really. But you're talking about a massive business entity here and conservative FO types. It you're talking about $60M = 5 more wins over 4 years, well....that's something that a conservative FO might not jump in on.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: well done, Beni. Well done. The days of hoping and praying that marginal non-prospects like Romero hit their 80th percentile projection and are sort of useful in a platoon role or whatever the heck or OVER. This team should spend like a drunken sailor in odl St. John (where all the girls are dancin') - heave away, good ship Mariner. Buy the best player you can. To heck with bargain hunting.2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: And lastly, I think the M's think that they already have a 3 WAR left-handed hitting RF. Just happens that his name is Brad Miller.2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: Over the past 3 non-TUMOR-IN-HIS-BACK years, Melky has been worth almost 5 more wins than Fowler. And he can be had without giving any talent up.2 months 2 weeks ago

BigMtnMonkey: 2) At this point I appear to be logged in only within the article “Run on Offense.” When I tried, without logging out within the article, to log in on both the main page and within several articles I get the following error message: “Request unsuccessful: error.” I logged out within the article – the only place where it appears that I was logged in – and then logged in on the main page. I was brought to what I’m going to call the “My Account” page, as that is one of the two tabs at the top right of the page &amp; the rest of the page consists of a link to my articles – none –, my “feed” &amp; shoutbox. Clicking on the link to the main page results in my still being listed as logged out &amp; I get the same “Request unsuccessful: error” when I try to log in.
I think that I’m done messing about with this for now. Hope that this mess means something to someone!2 months 2 weeks ago

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benihana: One interesting side-effect of the M's owning their own network (same with the YES Yankees for that matter) is that they have an increasingly vested interest in viewers. Their ownership in the network means more viewers instantly transfers into increased revenue - don't have to wait until the next round of negotiations. And since more wins = more viewers, it's time for them to stop acting cheap. Good news is, they don't seem to be acting cheap anymore.2 months 2 weeks ago

benihana: Moe, I think you are a bit stuck in the old M's paradigm. With last years $25 million per year increase in national TV revenues, plus Baker's conservatively reported $25 million in increased local TV revenues, this M's SHOULD be running a $140 million payroll and as I pointed out earlier, they're acting like it too. Time to stop shopping at the bargain bin and learn to love the Free Agent market. Sign the best bat we can get to play RF for next year, and worry about the rest after a nice post-season run.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I'd give Rasmus a 3/27 or 3/30 kind of deal. That would be an "OK" add...but he has a giant hole so another right handed bat would need to be brought in to platoon with him. It's not ideal if we keep Ackley because both of them need platooning and we can't really do that.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: I would still do a Gattis swap (who I like a lot), starting with Ackley and going young from there. Were I to make that trade.....giving up Ackley, I would look at Rasmus as a RF addition. I think he's flying under folks radar, $-wise. He can play CF (and we need another) and he's a career .788 guy vs. RHP. You could platoon him in RF with a Romero or cheap addition (if you're giving Kivlehan lots of Tacoma). I predicate that on our losing Ackley in the addition of a RF bat. I like Rasmus more than Fowler, anybody in Colo. and (CF bonus) Melky, for the right price. not much out there about him. how much is he worth Matt?2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Mariners haven't been talking to the Braves recently either...I hope we don't get NONE of those guys...because if we end up with something less than a bankable 3 WAR, then the Michael Saunders trade becomes stupid again.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Fowler is a lousy fielder and streaky at the plate...and a bad fit for Safeco. And I'm not banking our chances in 2015/2016 on anyone unproven. This is the time to win now...get high stoploss even if you pay a premium for it.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Padres in on him because Friedma want's to have Yasmani Grandal's babies. He is irrationally attached to the guy for some reason.2 months 2 weeks ago

MtGrizzly: @JonHeymanCBS: hear orioles, rangers and mariners, 3 early kemp players, are all out on him. seems like might be padres or bust.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Fowler is a one year guy with a .340 career OBP away from home (trying not to cherry pick). .375 for the year in Houston last year (still not trying to cherry pick Coors) He gives us two draws at the CF market after this year. He would be a fine glove in RF. With Souza comes a terrific pitching arm, in my scenario. Craig was OK in RF with St. Louis. I admit, he's not been a fulltime RF'er. Gonzales is one of the OFs I would like. Let's not pretend that $57M for Melky is chump change....it isn't. It's impact will be felt down the line. I am not convinced that we've seen a sea change in the M's FO's willingness to perpetually spend this kind of dough.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: I would rather spend that Melky money on something else down the line. Kuma, for example...or a pitcher to replace him. I'm convinced that Kivlehan would be a 100 OPS guy in RF starting June 1st. If that is the case, then for $57 million you're getting not much of an improvement. Matt, as I've said, Melky is no slouch. But at 4x$15M he's steep, too. The analysis is not whether Melky is a fine player...but whether he's worth to the M's the $ it would take.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Colorado has only one OFer in whom I have any interest. Gonzalez. Blackmon is a joke outside of Coors. As is Dickerson. Craig is worth very little to me and cannot play the outfield so why the heck would I want him? Fowler is awful for the money he'll cost. Souza is fragile and not something that can start every day. None of the things on your list make me feel confident in this team moving forward. None of them.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: I'm out on Melky. He's off my Christmas list. There are other OF's who I would explore and chase. Colorado has two and Fowler is still available in Houston. Allen Craig will hit .300 again this year. But mostly I think I would chase a pitcher AND Souza from the Nats. They are dangling Fister and Zimmerman. For one of those two guys (with a year's extension...which you could probably do at $15-$18M) and Souza I would give up Walker or Elias and a prospect. We need a guy sho can play OF AND 1B, by the way. Souza does that. I'm not doing it for just one year of one of those pitchers...but I would do it for two.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: It's like he tried to win by goig big...it failed spectacularly so he said "I'm better at winning by going small...let's do that again"2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Guessing they keep Gentry+Jaso then? I have no idea what Beane is doing but it is fascinating to watch.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: As say they're now looking to add a couple of pieces and will not trade Kazmir. I do not understand Beane's approach this year. Butler is an albatross contract before he event takes the field...they traded their best players for bulk volume...and...now they want to play add-on? WHY? What are they trying to accomplish?2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Indeed...some of the guys they got are...interesting...but none of them are exciting. They're classic orcs. But yes...they are obviously in reload mode so they will not be scary in 2015. That leaves us battling the top-heavy Angels and clubs like the Chisox, Blue Jays, Orioles and Indians2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Their farm system would be less depleted if they hadn't traded Addison Russell. Just sayin - not that i'm unhappy about getting that kid into the NL. The up-n-comers right now look like us, Toronto, probably the White Sox, the 'Stros soon... I'm glad the As seem to be taking a breather, but I try not to count them out. "Nothing pieces" seem to be what Oakland builds contenders out of.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: the As' farm system was badly depleted, so all of their moves of late have been to get guys who are near-MLB-ready...as many as possible. So that they have time to regenerate their farm system. Choi and their choice of our marginal AA/AAA prospects for Jason/Gentry...someone call Zduriencik2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Bloomquist is useful too...just not as a baseball player. :) He's the extra man that has the manager's back, polices the bench, and doesn't mind only playing when Seager needs an off-day.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Choi is such an As kind of player. Marte isn't, but he is talented. If we're cherrypicking low-hanging fruit to fill our bench for a couple years then yes, Gentry and Jaso would be very good for us.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Ya, it makes a ton of sense. Pretty ideal backup crew either than Bloomquist. The As seem to be dealing their players for quantity instead of quality. I wonder if we could deal 2-3 non top-10 specs for those two? Both are great fits for our roster.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Presumably, we'd use Gentry instead of Ackley...how would the outfield align on those days? Would you play Gentry in RF and Cabrera in LF?2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Gentry is like a cross with James Jones speed (late SBs with crazy accuracy), Gut's defense (at every OF spot), and an actual bat vs LHs. Such an extreme skill set. Worth around 8 WAR since 2012 in part time play. Best 4th OF in the game IMO.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: True, but Crisp is 35 at this point and the contract is higher than his worth IMO. Gentry may be the best RH platoon/4th OF in the game. He a RH bat with extreme career splits and one of the best defensive CFs in the game. Very nice piece to start vs LHs, and a late pinch runner/defensive replacement.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Ah...he did slump in the last two months. Not sure I would characterize him as bad. We looking for someone who, when in the line-up, would be a better lead-off option than Jackson2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Um...Crisp is bad? Last I checked he was one of their better hitters in 2014. And good on the bases2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Gentry is pretty great fit, especially if the Melky rumors are true. We're going to need a defense first 4th OF and Gentry is one of the best defensive players in the game. Definetly would not give up Taylor for him, but maybe a non top-10 spare prospect.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Crisp is a negative asset at this point with the contract hes signed too. Hes old and bad.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Baker should have just read my report on the TV money months ago, and the fact that we should have that to spend this offseason. The suits are not against spending money, they are against spending THEIR money. Whatever the team makes, the team can use for payroll purposes. If ticket sales go back up, they'll put that in the budget too.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Ms should ring up the As about Gentry and Jaso.2 months 2 weeks ago

Silentpadna: Wow....seems like every time I log in here I'm a time-traveller, going back and forth between days.....2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: This is a very incoherent offseason for Beane. Why did he sign Butler if he was just going to dismantle the As?2 months 2 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: Orc's trade Shark to the White Sox for prospects... and possibly only one really good one.2 months 2 weeks ago

misterjonez: I also like that the team is addressing chemistry. The Seahawks are definitely showing the way there, and it's nice to see it come into play. Obviously in baseball talent trumps all, but all things equalxI like the emphasis on cohesion.2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: Guti can have Endy's job. He's be pretty good at it - from the right side, anyway. Good with the bat, the glove, trade bunting for power. I like it.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: But Guti would never be a starter here...not the way Saunders was drummed out of town for being non-durable...Guti is not the replacement. He's extra2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Guti is probably going to come back one more time as a minor leaguer with an NRI to ST to see how he feels.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: the spending we're doing this year is consistent with that plan to spend about 140 mil or so - they started the upward trend last year by signing Cano to set the stage...and it worked out realy well...made us contenders just enough to convince Cruz and maybe Cabrera to join us2 months 2 weeks ago

bsr: Baker finally with the report confirming how much the M's new TV deal is worth: +$25M/year vs prior deal. And it didn't really kick in financially until now, which is why they didn't bump payroll as much in 2014. Bottom line, the M's will consistently have $40-50M extra to spend going forward from local and national TV money. So payroll should be in the $130M+ range that real contenders spend. Best M's news I've read in years! [http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2025190125_bakercolumn08xml.html]2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: Z has a soft spot in his heart for Guti. He won't resist signing him.2 months 2 weeks ago

merks: I would like to have Gutierrez back on a minor league deal as long as we have a starting caliber cf to begin with, which we do. If both are healthy Guti was the better player in my mind. I have no idea if he'll be able to stay healthy but worth a go.2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: Or is THIS the M's secret plan: The return of Franklin Gutierrez to play RF, and maybe a little CF. Guti hit a home run in Winter ball today: http://gregjohns.mlblogs.com/2014/12/08/gutierrez-homers-in-first-at-bat-in-venezuelan-return/2 months 2 weeks ago

JDDub: With all the talk about Melky in RF batting second with his great bat control it feels like were getting setup to have the rug pulled out from under us. The Raul reunion tour was a success, so perhaps M's brass will press their luck with the return of Ichiro!2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: I also like that we're big on chemistry. Cano and Seager are peas in a pod. Cruz, Melky and Cano are all countrymen and close friends. I'm not huge on Melky, but can I really gripe about bringing in a 3 WAR player who is still young enough to have several good years ahead of him and is surrounded by friends who can make every day a good one? If there was such a thing as chemistry and synergy, it looks like the Ms are banking on making it work in their favor. There are worse things to mix than talent and comraderie.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: So apparently we're the favorites to sign Melky still, even as we work on J-Up or Kempster. Funny line from Heyman's article: "The Blue Jays are out, and the Mariners took care if that, by sending them Michael Saunders in trade to fill left field. The Royals, White Sox, Giants and others have been tied to Cabrera, but Seattle seems like the team to beat." Jack used a player we were not going to keep to shift the winds of change his way and bring Melky in? GMs might be thinking more than one move ahead? Nahhh... not possible...2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: From the Yesterday's News Today Department, someone didn't get the memo that his player really sucks, almost as bad as his previous work in representing him: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/kendrys-morales-seeking-big-multi-year-deal.html2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: And we have a song all ready for him: "Sonny Gray, keeping the clouds away" - sing to the tune from either Sesame Street or Jars of Clay, your choice.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: For five years of Sonny Gray, we'd have to get over Elias and Taylor. Who ever heard of a man child with perfect control of a filthy curve ball and a live and accurate fastball to complement it? Well, there was this one guy named Felix, but besides him, I can't think of anyone. Plus, could you imagine how Gray in Seattle would make Oakland fans feel? They'd have to see him at least 10 times per year. Plus, it is Gray's rightful destiny to pitch in Seattle. I thought Mariners scouts had dibs on all college players from Appalachia. How did Macnamara lose this guy anyway? Edited to add: Dan Hultzen may be mighty fine yet. There were lots of great pitchers in the 2011 draft. 2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: As for Houston...their ballclub is definitely in position to be a problem in 2016 at the latest. But 2015 is a two-team race between Seattle and LAA.2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: I feel like I'm watching a Tolkien inspired movie. We spend three episodes on a journey to defeat some great evil somewhere, only to find out - yeah, Orcs are nasty, brutish, but short, and there's a greater evil somewhere else we have to spend three more episodes to fight.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: "We wanted the Padres" almost knocked me out of my chair. :) Since the Orcs are open for business, I wonder who they want for Sonny Gray? I hear Guerrero is pretty good.2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: Mojican, I think we will be duking it out with the Stros going forward. Could be quite a rivalry. I mean, I hate them already, the way a Husky hates a Coug, because we should stomp on them repeatedly, and often do, then they go an win games we need against us. Stupid cockroach Lastros. Go back to the NL. We wanted the Padres.2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: We could have given the Orcs Ty Kelly for Moss, and thrown in a pitcher or something.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: The Orcs traded three years of AL slugger Brandon Moss for six years of one blue chip prospect who is still trying to figure out AA? Conspiracy theory: I think that the real Beane is watching helplessly on a holotron from deep space, while an alien in a Beanesuit trashes his ball club. The aliens are either running psychological experiments on the effects of baseball on humans, or they just hate the Orcs as much as we do.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: Need another alarming Fourthstro fact? They are growing better at an exponential rate, and they haven't spent any money yet. The Houston payroll is at $ 44 million. Jim Crane's bank account is at $2 billion. Who says he's not going to sign Lester, Scherzer and Shields just because he wants to?2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: Who's afraid of the big bad 'Stros? -238 Run Differential in 2013, -108 2014. They out-Beaned Beane, getting Chris Carter out of Oakland for two years of Jed Lowrie, they poached Nolan Ryan out of Texas and are a big part of the curse of the sandbox, they shed the title "Lastros", they got an actual pitching staff with McHugh, Keuchel and Peacock, they have a real MOTO, with Fowler, Altuve, Carter and Springer, they have a rich owner, a smart front office, a rich pool of prospects, and are about to become the Thirdstros after the Oakland Yard sale of 2014.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I don't think this can afford to carry 2 DHs. Or 3 1B/DHs. Because we will want to carry 8 relievers.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Doc: In regards to you platoon post (because I can't post there)...As pointed out, that sort of platoon works if you pick carefully. Lowenstein was a career .260-.346-.418 guy vR. Roenicke was a career .255-.363-.454 guy vL (and his vR career OPS was .749 so he was a "perfect" 4th OF). Those guys were unlikely to crash every other year. Earl was a genius that way. Lind and Mayberry are pretty proven commodities, especially Lind. And even in his "lost" years ('12-'13) Mayberry his lefties well. Two guys like that would also give you a 3 to make 2 1B/DH situation, adding LoMo. However, that in and of itself is pretty limiting, flexibility wise.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Such a platoon works best in the OF, at the corners...because you need the 4th OF anyway and it gives you a 2nd DH. In 79, for example, Baltimore had a 155 OPS RF (Singleton) and one of the best CF gloves in history (Bumbry..who wasn't a bad bat). Roenicke and Lowenstein were the perfect LF platoon, bat and flexibility wise. (same set up in '80, BTW...first year of the DH.) The hard part isn't finding the bats...but finding the bats that actually increase your flexibility.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: LOL - not happening to me yet...they're just cobbling things together at the moment until they get everything to a better server...bear with them, I'm sure Doc would say. :)2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: SSI has some weird stuff happening to it. I can't post on the shouts from the main SSI page...but if I click on a thread I can Shout but I have no idea if new threads are up. Sigh...2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I don't think Cabrera is the best available option by any stretch of the imagination. I think he will help us in 2015 and 2016...help us in a crucial way. I'm willing to pay a price at the end to get that if Kemp and Upton can't be had at a reasonable price. Especially since we will have cheap options by 2017...Jackson, Kivlehan etc2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: I'm in with jonez: Not a Melky fan. Not at all! I'm hoping this rumor one is all hot air.2 months 2 weeks ago

misterjonez: I see the rationale for signing him, and you make the case well, Matt. I've just never liked him; he's like Randy Winn without the speed or defense. I agree that, if he duplicated his 2014 for the next two years, it would sure solidify the lineup.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I would agree that Cabrera is unlikely to have much upside and that in years 3 and 4, he's probably not going to be worth what we pay him due to lagging defense. Don't really care though. I love him in the 2 hole right now for hard at bats against good pitching to get the pressure on guys before Cano comes up and the money we're spending on him is unlikely to prevent us from spending hte future as the club bloats payroll.2 months 2 weeks ago

misterjonez: I'm prepared to eat crow, but I'm not enthused about Melky whatsoever. He doesn't have any stand-out tools, his defense is deteriorating, and he's been wildly inconsistent (I understand some of that is due to injuries, but he still doesn't give me warm fuzzies). He'd be a good add if Upton or Kemp really do cost Paxton/Walker plus, since he's really only a 2nd round draft pick loss, but I really do see a 4/54 contract to Cabrera being an albatross while I don't see that with Cruz. One has a high-powered core skill to lean on while the other doesn't. I dunno...Cabrera would be alright, but I'm convinced we'll look back on that one like we look back on Carlos Silva. There's my curmudgeonly thought for the day. Still, we need a COF (at least one!) and he's available.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I'd like to see us get a fourth outfielder who can spell ackley against lefties...but...it isn't crucial2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Yep - we have two offers on the table, one in trade and one to a FA, and first guy to take the offer wins the prize. The other guy can go hope to do as well later, but probably won't. I'm fiiiine with that tactic. And fine with a victory lap. You can't win anything in the offseason, but knowing what we needed this coming year we couldn't have prepared to win in 2015 much better than if that happens.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: If we do get Cabrera...is it victory lap time for the brass? Do they go to the winter meetings just to hang out by the pool? :)2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: So basically...the Mariners are now on the phone with Friedman saying "look, dude, you've been jerking me around all week on Kemp...I made a good offer and you almost took it, then you came back and inserted our best prospects instead. Either take our offer or we're signing Cabrera"2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: The Ms are keeping the pressure on Melky by making sure he knows they could always just make a trade and leave him hanging - but also that he's their first choice for the role and they're paying him a quality salary. They don't feel like they have to go 5 on Melky, unlike the 4th year on Cruz, but are probably among his biggest offers for 4 years. Love to see em lock it down but glad they're not sitting on their hands while they wait for him to accept or just play us out like other teams have in the past by taking our offer to their "preferred" team. Gettin' close...2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Some dude named Joe Rossman reported 4/54. Other reporters aren't saying that isn't the framework, just that the Ms aren't locked up with Melky yet (he's probably shopping it while the Ms do their last second dilligence). Joel Sherman: Multi execs tell me #Mariners strong frontrunner for Melky. But Sea GM Jack Z says, “that is way premature” Still looking at JUpton Kemp...2 months 2 weeks ago

rick82: Clutchiness - It's the #1 reason I dreaded losing the Condor: 1.052 OPS in late and close last season. He was clutch the year before as well - always in the middle of any Mariner rally - and often the guy to get it started.2 months 2 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: So drdetectovision@wordpress.com ... Not DrDetectoVision@WordPress.com/ ... do I have that right now?2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: drdetectovision.wordpress.com - head on over Tacoma...we've had many good discussions. :)2 months 2 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: DrDetectoVision@WordPress.com/ is that right Matt? Is there more schtick there? 'Cuz I really need more SCHTICK!!!2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: LOL...sorry doc. I had assumed that everyone here was now well aware off drdetectovision.wordpress.com :-)2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: We live to serve. But you obviously do not, as you failed to note the URL of the 'other blog.' Klat doesn't mind in the least if non-authors shill others' (unintentional) comedy routines. Consider me alienated. Maybe I'll only put up six posts Monday, just to spite you.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: Yeah, Seager doesn't get his 50 something extra base hits on meatball day when the sun is shining, he had a good breakfast and the team is happy. That's not why he's worth $100 million.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: EVERYONE says "that player is MONEY...they mean he is more valuable than his numbers because he is clutch...K means strike out, so that's a problem, but K-Money sounds cool to say.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: I suppose we can't call Seager S-Money because nicknames should last, and he won't be the only Seager in the bigs for very much longer. K-Money. Hmmmmm. It grows on you.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: How is money clutch? Well, it is the most liquid asset, the easiest to spend or negotiate when there is a present need for it. It is better to have in an emergency than other valuable assets, like goodwill. Money is also clutch because clutch behavior is highly valued and should be paid.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Fresh shtick up at drdetectovision.wordpress.com . … Dr. D, like Taro, had not heard that (anagram) "Ape Ugly I Is" could be had in trade. Knowing Friedman, more likely we'd get "A Retired Hen / Trade In Here" for J.A. Happ. Somebody disagree (with basis) and we'll be happy to slap up a POTD in many, many, MANY chapters.2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: It's hard to call Seager K-Money because of the negative connotations associated with K. But, money is appropriate as it is highly correlated with clutchness, which Seager exemplifies.2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Puig isn't that bad defensively. Great arm, makes some bad reads, but good footspeed. I actually think he has upside defensively a RF, and snagged a 5 WAR season despite it.
GREAT hitter in a pitchers' park. Hes only 23. I think he gets even better.
Hes signed for 4 years and 24 million, making him one of the most valuable pieces in the game.
I'd do Walker+DJ+Jackson, but the Dodgers may prefer Walker+DJ+Taylor, which works for me as well.
If he truly is available, NAB him. Don't chisel.2 months 2 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: Trade for Puig? GREAT! However, instead of adding lots of minor league talent, M's should offer to take one of their bad contracts they have - like Wilson or Haren or even League. All of these are one year deals so it would not bankrupt the M's to do so.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Doc...there are a lot of things I have WANTED to say about ongoing discussions based on my time with the Yankees...as I move further from that time of employment, I am a bit more free to say some things...I just can't speak for guys who still have high level jobs. But yes...I think a big part of my sub-domain within D-O-V, along with "MLB History Today" might be another feature type "Inside Scoop" or something with comments about how someone in a top end front office might react based on my admittedly brief experience.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: I'd get Puig with the plan of making him my first baseman after 2016.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Puig is one of the worst defensive outfielders in major league baseball, Taro. He's not without serious problems (not to mention, he's got a bad attitude). And I wouldn't give up Jackson (the younger) for Giancarlo Stanton, let alone Puig. Jackson is a bust-out star in the making IMHO (and in the opinions of a lot of scouts lately). I would, however, give the Dodgers Walker and DJ and a reliever for Puig.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Sure. But your insight into how insiders think is precisely what interests us (me). There's probably way to phrase things such as "a GM would be more likely to value Cruz' 'clutchiness' than his lead analyst would. And my view is … "2 months 2 weeks ago

Taro: Puig seriously? I'd do Walker + DJ + Jackson for Puig. 4 bargain years left. Elite player in his early 20s? If hes available that changes the game.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: My time with the Yankees was nothing particularly special, other than the view it gave me of how they think. General answer: how the bosses think is very different than how the analysts think...and I could describe both sides...I just don't want to be unemployable in the game by saying something that clubs would look down on as leaking sensitive info2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Also Matt: any time you go "the Yankees found this useful" you've got everybody riveted. :: golf clap :: In fact, if I were you I'd underline that angle for my "subdomain" at DOV … "this would have been of interest inside baseball." You've been inordinately modest about it :- ) actually not letting people know ENOUGH. … but I get that you don't want to Mike Gimbel yourself. It could be done subtly but with impact … not that Dr. D would know about subtle ...2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: This crowd may not remember the past, but I think they like llearning about the game's history if you relate it to what they do know at least somewhat. Not sure though...but I certainly like making little history projects out of my statistical research2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: SABRMatt … I'm all over that stuff, especially because I enjoy comparing my 1970's and 1980's heroes to today. Have never understood whether today's generation has much interest in that, however, so I minimize the "Melky Cabrera to Ken Griffey Sr." comps in order to find comps the kiddies will relate to. Would love to find out that 80% of the audience enjoys Melky vs. Sr, though.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Caffeine: thanks so much. Grist for the mill, as far as the final decision about going ahead with New D-O-V. :: daps ::2 months 2 weeks ago

merks: There are two separate articles on MLB.com suggesting that the Dodgers could trade Puig this offseason. One of the articles says that Joc Pederson is also a possibility. Dodgers want pitching and middle infielders. Seems like we match up with them pretty well. Any thoughts on what it would take to get Puig? Would you want Puig?2 months 2 weeks ago

mojician: Three of the greatest thinkers in sports approve of the Cruz signing. http://m.mariners.mlb.com/video/v37023009
#LOB #Boomstick2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: One of the tools I was working on when I was last in the "game" in research was a rigorous skills-based player comparison tool...so the idea would be...someone throws me a request, I let the comparison tool (once honed) pick out some other players from different time periods that were most similar skill-to-skill and talk about their place in the great history of the game...as a way for us to think about the players of today and what role they might have in history fifty years from now.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: So I've been thinking about an idea lately...I was wondering if the faithful here would be interested in a running series entitled "MLB History Today" wherein I take requests to look at contemporary players and draw parallels statistically and historically to players from the past and/or requests to look at historic players and compare them to players from today to give a sense of perspective on those histories? This idea has come and gone in my head for some time now, usually when watching a classic game on the MLB network (classic games are one of my favorite things...they're like a little time capsule where you get to see who was important during a different time and then you go look up their stats and read their histories...). I am wondering if the issues of the day might take on new meaning if we drew parallels2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: the NYC analogy would be "how do you do maintenance on a subway system that never sleeps?"2 months 2 weeks ago

Caffeine: Hit the refresh button for the page, even if you are opening the page in a new browser window - that seems to cure Shout Box weirdness.
Really diggin&#039; the new stuff you got going on, Doc. As a rule, I don&#039;t pay for Web content. Yours (and the astounding crew around here) would be the immediate exception. This is my go-to site - the other guys just don&#039;t have the same caliber of info and &#039;tainment.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Ah. Yes, they're migrating the site over to a different platform (or fill in the right words for 'migrate' and 'platform'!) and duct-taping until then. If I understand right. … That would explain why I'm getting odd versions of the posts and Shout Box updates depending on which device I use, maybe. They're workin' it.2 months 2 weeks ago

IcebreakerX: Doc, the site is working better but there's some really weird things going on with the shoutbox. On some pages, it's stuck in the past, on others it's up-to-date. I imagine the dynamic nature of this is causing caching problems on the site overall.2 months 2 weeks ago

IcebreakerX: Bowden's comment about bullpen only makes sense in the context that maybe the M's are going to move some arms... Hmm...2 months 2 weeks ago

John Pierce: Think about how Z has operated the last two off seasons. Last year he signed Cano to a $240 mil contract. Tried to get him help, but I am thinking that the real money wasn&#039;t there yet. But he got Cano, easily the best player in baseball to invest that kind of money in. This offseason, the coffer doors have blown open. All that TV money is here. He tried for VMart and missed, so he shifts gears and gets Cruz. Then signs Seager long, long term to a team friendly contract. Trades for Happ to add needed depth to the rotation. Now he&#039;s on the verge of adding the last real piece to the puzzle without sacrificing any of the young guns. He has done it with a lot of thought. When you compare how Z has done to the GMs from Texas and LA, there is no comparison. I think Z has done a masterful job. Sign Melky and a few minor pickups and we&#039;re THERE, BAYBEE2 months 2 weeks ago

Bat571: Melky's arm is better than Ackley's, but baserunners WILL run on him if he's in RF. But maybe there is more going on, though. Rios could be another piece? Or my preferred trade? Or they have Jones/Kivlehan/Blash for late inning defense? RF in Safeco is smaller, but it's still a longer throw to third or home.2 months 2 weeks ago

moethedog: Hey guys.....Melky isn't much of a RF, let's be clear. He played 2 games there last year, 6 in '12, 1 in '11 and 17 in '10. Again, I'm the contrarian. He's not my favorite guy to get....but I'll give him this: He's been pretty good 3 of the last 4 years.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: one wonders if it mightn't be worth it to sign both Melky and Rios. Melky to play RF and Rios to spell Ackley against lefties.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Heyman confirms Mariners interest in Melky and says they are willing to offer a Cruz-like deal (4/57 +/- some amount)...Cabrera wants five years and has several suitors but my guess is he will take the offer that maximizes the total commitment.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Doc....I see the final version of that article2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: yes...Z sees the need for a bridge hitter to get to Cano. He wants a specific style...either a righty or a switchy...preferably a switchy...and he wants someone who can play passable RF defense...I don't fault him for that sort of thinking, although...Seager would make a fine #2 hitter if you got Kemp and wanted to stick him in the 4 hole. Or Cano for that matter. :D Melkman in the 2 hole and we keep our pitching depth...that's a WS team.2 months 2 weeks ago

John Pierce: I wonder how Z&#039;s feeling heading into the winter meetings Playing Brian Cashman. ;)2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Zduriencik emphasized a #2 hitter who bats right. As a sabe, I am appalled at the emphasis on batting order. As a 2015 fan, Melky #2 would be symphonic.2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: "Paxton, Walker and Elias are ours and the Dodgers and Braves can't have them."2 months 2 weeks ago

jemanji: Hey. Do you guys see the final version of the Melk-man article, referring to Jose Vidro in the first paragraph, or the first version, with Jarrod Washburn? On my mobile devices it shows the un-revised version first published. Grrrrr. Would really appreciate knowing.2 months 2 weeks ago

merks: I listened to a couple of interviews with jay-z yesterday and he mentioned that he needs to get a pitcher back in a trade where he sent a pitcher out. Kind of sounded like he was talking to opposing GM's rather than the interviewer. My guess if we do trade Walker Z will want a pitcher back. Who that might be I do not know. He also said his starting staff is set and a resigning of Young is unlikely.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: That works for both teams, IMO. I'd still want another starter then, but it could be the Bartender honestly.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Would be fine with adding Cargo and Rosario for Walker and a reliever or something like that.2 months 2 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: That's why I think if we go after Cargo that Walker would be the one to get him. They have a couple of lefties in the rotation so they don't need Paxton (not that I'd give him up) and Walker is our #4 arm right now, reasonable-case. But if Cargo costs Walker (maybe Cargo + Rosario, if we're still looking for a backup C) and Melky just costs money + a 2nd round pick (since Cruz cost our 1st rounder) then it's about years and performance. Melky's a year older, they're about the same player (career WAR)... but Cargo can't say no to us. It might come down to that.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Walker doesn't even crack my starting rotation right now. Seriously. I put him back in AAA. Happ is a better bet than Walker. Elias is a better bet than Walker. Paxton is a better bet. Walker is literally extra.2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: they think they can add 10-12 mil per year and multiple years now, evidently...so they can certainly afford Kemp if the Dodgers get hit with a clue bat and get more reasonable2 months 2 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Just to be clear, I am not confident enough in that flippant remark to put money on it...it was more to generate conversation about how awesome Happ is going to be...because he's going to be awesome. You folks are gonna feel silly for doubting this trade in about mid May2 months 3 weeks ago

jemanji: Just kiddin' around. :- ) … on his game, though, Iwakuma is certainly one of the 10 best in the AL. … he's got the #6 xFIP in the AL 2013-14, too. Ahead of Max Scherzer and Jon Lester, who wish to be paid rather more for their services. But yeah. If you're predicting a 'Kuma decline, sure.2 months 3 weeks ago

eknpdx: I&#039;m curious as to why Corey Dickerson isn&#039;t being thought of since Saunders departure? I get people think he&#039;s a platoon bat, but minor league numbers suggest that ought to be tested for a season or two. And while a road .700 OPS / .150 ISO ain&#039;t something to get giddy over, his minor league track record suggests there&#039;s thump in that stick.2 months 3 weeks ago

SABR Matt: Think I went too far, Doc? I think Iwakuma will regress some in 2015...and I could see Happ throwing a 3 ERA and outpitching him. :)2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: Gordon: I think Romero has a chance, and I wouldn't spit if we just gave the job to Kivlehan and said, "Hit the ball, kid." But I think we will add another OF (even if he is the 4th guy) anyway. I can't see us going huge on this next deal, however.2 months 3 weeks ago

jemanji: What is the value of a Jones leveraged stolen base? Somebody should go over to Fangraphs, look up such a situation, and check the change in win probability. (That won't even factor in the M's bullpen.) Probably similar to a two-run HR in the first inning. … agreed MoeDawg. It's hard to see how you justify a PR with this bullpen and roster crunch.2 months 3 weeks ago

jemanji: BULLPEN DEPTH! In related news Terry, the Seahawks plan to use their first pick on a quarterback. … on a brighter note, maybe he has heard the M's have made on offer to Andrew Miller?2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Agreed Moe. If we hold onto Miller (and IMO, if the option is trading for Blackmon or using Miller in RF, then by all means keep Miller for that duty - he has more upside) then we should have a RH benchie. Romero would make me cry a little cuz I don't think he's ready, so it'll have to be some OTHER righty. Still interested in Gattis for RF/C backup, and letting Miller bounce between SS and the OF. We'll see what happens.2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Maybe we're looking at a smaller deal for somebody like Blackmon, though. I wouldn't be too ecstatic about that - I always worry about average-offense players who are doing well in hitters parks. Jay Bruce would scare me too, and I know the Reds are entertaining offers - but his offense outside of Cincy would not be nearly as useful even if he regains his former level - and in the Safe it could be disastrous. Cargo at least smokes the ball around the park (Ichiro-like .350 BABIP lifetime).2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: If Miller goes to RF, then the 4th OF needs to be a RHB.2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: I'm curious about who we're looking to get from the Rockies for the OF, though. Only Cargo is worth a big trade like Walker, and that depends on how you feel about Cargo's effort and ability outside of Coors - and whether he can stay healthy. I happen to think Cargo is a good player, not a great one - more Detroit's Carlos Guillen than an MVP candidate. But if a good hitter is all we need to make it work... we could do way worse. We'd still need another arm in that case, though - maybe Chris Young does come back at that point after all, to do a relay with Elias as we get into August and September.2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: You need a BU C, Taylor or Miller (whoever doesn't play SS), Bloomie, and a 4th OF. That's 13. Unless Jones is the 4th OF he gets in the way just to PR. That 4th OF should ideally play 1B, too. And bat RH...unless our RF can play 1B and bats RH. Jones is a great asset. More so when rosters can expand...unless he's the #4 guy.2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Jones is a great asset on the bases - I just wish he were better at getting on-base by himself. Still, Jones as your backup OF glove and pinch runner in some capacity would be good if you can swing it. He scares the pants off teams in the 8th and 9th innings on the bases.2 months 3 weeks ago

DaddyO: To me James Jones is a tremendous bench asset. It's well worth finding a way to carry him. He can win five games or so just by late-inning pinch running. His base stealing ability is so far off the charts that he changes the game the moment he enters it. He's wasted in AAA.2 months 3 weeks ago

mojician: Jones is such a good benchie. His baserunning is the coolest. I also like how if McClendon gets a lead, Jones is a big part of late game lockdown mode. Just switch out your right fielder for Jones, call the bullpen, and do a crossword while you wait for the postgame press conference.2 months 3 weeks ago

benihana: Off-Topic - What is the value of a leveraged stolen base? James Jones swiped 27 bases in 28 tries. Is it worth a bench spot to have a guy who can reliably move a lumberer (Cruz, Zunino, Lomo, etc.) into scoring position late in close games? Does our bullpen and tendency to be in close games matter in that equation?2 months 3 weeks ago

phxterry: Head scratcher - Jim Bowden at ESPN listing the needs of each MLB team going into the winter meetings. For Mariners, he lists"corner outfielder and bullpen depth." Wow.2 months 3 weeks ago

John Pierce: Ackley is an athlete. He started at an unfamiliar 2B and exceled. Moved to CF after the Cano trade and proved very adequate out there. Last year he spent the whole year in LF. I think he morphed into a very good fielder. I suspect, because of the mental strain of learning new positions, that his offense struggled. That could be the reason that, after he got comfortable playing his new positions, his offense seemed to pick up after the All Star break. Since he won&#039;t have to learn a new position next year, he could be primed for a breakout season.2 months 3 weeks ago

misterjonez: I don't know if someone has already posted this, but here's the Legion of Boom welcoming the 'Boomstick' to Seattle. Good stuff :) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=101529169445339792 months 3 weeks ago

bsr: "Cruz is a winner," McClendon said. "He comes to play every day. He hits home runs, he drives in runs, he gets big hits when the game is on the line. He hits the best pitching, not just the mediocre pitching, and he is unbelievable in the clubhouse." Hard RBI's baby...I'll take 100 more, thanks. SSI has been on this concept forever and the Keith Law types still don't seem to get it for some mystifying reason. The majority of (non-SSI) online baseball analysis almost seems to have turned into its own strange esoteric academia realm at this point...only sometimes connected to the real life sport/business of baseball.2 months 3 weeks ago

bsr: Lineup protection theory...maybe the internet nerds can't quantify it but Z says it matters to the hitters: "Yeah, pitchers love pitching here. But hitters look at the lineup. As much as you think they look at the ballpark -- and they do -- they also look at the lineup and who is going to be around me and what are the chances to win? That is a huge thing when you're talking to agents."2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik reiterated that pitcher Hisashi Iwakuma will not be traded, tweets Greg Johns of MLB.com. Iwakuma, 34 next season, has been excellent when healthy. Unfortunately, he’s also missed parts of two out of three major league seasons.
The Mariners are already receiving calls on recently acquired starter J.A. Happ, tweets Kevin Shockey of SportsRadioKJR.com. My guess is that teams are looking to gauge how the Mariners plan to use Happ. The southpaw quietly added two mph to his fastball last season and adjusted his repertoire as a result. Some clubs may view him as a possible breakout target.2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: One option to replace outfielder Michael Saunders is infielder Brad Miller, writes Shannon Drayer of 710 ESPN Seattle. The club’s outfield coach called him a natural, and he does appear to be blocked by Robinson Cano, Chris Taylor, and Kyle Seager in the infield. Taylor is obviously the weak link of the trio. After a solid but flawed debut, he could relinquish the job back to Miller. Man, what was flawed with Taylor's debut? No homers, I suppose.2 months 3 weeks ago

Bat571: The only thing with signing Melky is that it almost requires a trade for a bona fide RF and for using Ackley to get it - Melky fits best in LF. And Ackley really does fit best at 2B. But, if the Nats would do it, I really like the end result - Souza bats down in the lineup while he gets his feet wet, and if he starts smacking it, all to the good. He and Morrison can be a second L-R #3-4, just farther down the lineup. And Leon may be as good as Sucre with the glove, maybe better with the bat (and, like Melky, a switch-hitter), and might give Zunino more chance to work on his game. If Blowers is right and Ackley is ready to break out - well, c'est la way la ball bounces.2 months 3 weeks ago

Bat571: Melky+Cruz+Cano+Rodney might be a combo to really get things going in the 'Pen - get some Caribbean rhythms going, add Sancocho to the menu at Edgar's, and add to the "Family Experience" as well as to the lineup credibility. .....Maybe it could be the best of both worlds?2 months 3 weeks ago

Bat571: Just noodlin' really - but a sign Melky+trade for Gattis+trade for Souza/Leon week looks really doable from here in spud country and would really change some dynamics without cutting into the core. It would probably cost Ackley + Taylor + prospects + the Ms 2nd round choice, but would it be better in the long run than Kemp? --- I'm starting to think maybe some more guys on base + some developing power + more load sharing for Zunino might really be a better way. And having some room to chase a top starter, even if we come up short, would put the Angles, Orcs, Strangers, and LAstros on notice that the FO is on board with going for it. Then maybe next year the FAs will look at Seattle early and with more interest and won't need to be "bought" here as much.2 months 3 weeks ago

mojician: McClendon will want a RH bat that scores pretty darn good to tremendous on the MSS. You have to have thoroughbreds if you want to win the Kentucky Derby.2 months 3 weeks ago

John Pierce: I&#039;d love to have him, but trading Walker for a one year rental seems excessive, especially when there are Melkys out there. Before the Happ trade, there was a dearth of quality arms behind our starting five. But, when you can get a 6&#039;5&quot; LHer throwing 95 MPH, I think that&#039;s a good thing. I liked Saunders, but not enough to call for Z&#039;s head for trading him. I do wish him luck north of the border, though. I&#039;m curious, where did the &amp;#039; come from?2 months 3 weeks ago

jemanji: The two comps are telling John. Good stuff. Yours is probably the *visceral* reaction (to Kemp and Cruz) that most of us have. Your thoughts on renting Justin Upton?2 months 3 weeks ago

John Pierce: I worry about signing Kemp, like I worried about signing either Fielder or Hamilton, a lot. I didn&#039;t have those worries after they signed Cano. Surprisingly, I think Cruz will work out well for the M&#039;s. He was probably checked for PEDs a lot last year and this is probably his retirement contract so he really has no need to juice anymore. Unless LA kicks in a ton of money, I think Kemps contract could really hamstring us.2 months 3 weeks ago

jemanji: At the New SSI, they say that there will be a Steroids Shout Box with hyperlinks, pics, and threading. :- O2 months 3 weeks ago

jemanji: Mojo - oh! You're Leif? Yeah, I edit my own articles and comments, sometimes 3-5 times. I gotcha. … MSS = you literally make me chuckle out loud when you get to talking about McClendon. You're thinking that he'll want what grade as the 2nd bat in?2 months 3 weeks ago

Bat571: IFF the M's are willing to go beyond $140M, what makes more sense, if you can get 2 of 3 - Kemp, Melky, or John Lester? Can Gattis field well enough to backup LF, 1B, and C for 3 years? Or do you move Ackley+ to the Nats and get Souza+Sandy Leon+ to cover those backups (and RF as well) and sign Melky? The signing of Cruz makes for interesting possibilities. I'd still like Kemp, but not for Walker, and Melky is looking very interesting right now if the Nats want a 2B who can back up in LF/CF to give us a RF and BU C. Then sign Lester before he's gone?2 months 3 weeks ago

mojician: I've put up a couple of posts at new DOV, but I tread lightly at Wordpress, because I don't have any ability to edit stuff after it is posted. The editing feature is something that has kept my foot out of my mouth on more than a few occasions. The MSS grades as follows: 0-2 Horse (Manure) 2-4 Interesting 4-6 Pretty Good, 6-8 Pretty Darn Good, 8-10 Tremendous/ someone's play "makes me look smart". Tremendous is McClendon's highest ranking, except when he is talking about James Paxton.2 months 3 weeks ago

Bat571: If the Ms really are stretching the budget and signing some premium guys for the short-term, a low-price Gattis might fit in quite nicely longer-term as a backup while they pay the older guys, and then be ready to go to DH when Cruz fades. Dreaming, I know, but fun.2 months 3 weeks ago

Bat571: And there's a report that the Braves may keep Upton to get the pick when he leaves next year, but may trade Gattis to make room for Markakis. That might be of interest with or without Kemp. Can you imagine a lineup Jackson - Seager - Cano - Cruz - Kemp - Morrison - Gattis/Zunino - Ackley/Gattis - Miller or even Jackson - MCabrera - Cano - Cruz - Kemp - Seager - Gattis/Zunino - Morrison - Miller? Yes, Jackson would have to cover a lot of ground, but boy, what fun!2 months 3 weeks ago

jemanji: Mojo - you click-stepped through my own 3 reactions. The sensation was like watching Inception. …. MSS = most comforting concept I've read all day. (My day started 18 minutes ago.) … we are going to eventually see you at the New Mainframe, hopefully? http://drdetectovision.wordpress.com2 months 3 weeks ago

Bat571: MLBTR reporting that the Padres are offering Yasmani Grandal for Kemp. With the Dodger's needs, Taylor + Medina doesn't trump that? I know they want an upgrade from Ellis, and Grandal's a nice C, but.... If the Dodgers are asking for Taijuan Walker from us, it would appear there is some room to negotiate. Still would think Taylor + Medina + Guerrero would be similar to other packages for similar trades, but would adding Marlette make a difference? I'd try it. 2 MLB(tm)-vetted guys and 2 of the M's top 10 prospects wouldn't get it done?2 months 3 weeks ago

mojician: McClendon's scouting report on Nelson Cruz: "It is tremendous to have him in the middle of the order." McClendon also went on record to say that he wants one more right handed bat, presumably one that grades at least a pretty darn good on the McClendon Scouting Scale (MSS). http://m.mariners.mlb.com/news/article/103163536/nelson-cruz-introduced-by-seattle-mariners2 months 3 weeks ago

mojician: After investigating the matter, apparently, this has been going on for some time. http://a.espncdn.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1380568.html. Humidity tampering is like chemical warfare. Teams don't do it because they don't want it to be done to them.2 months 3 weeks ago

mojician: Even worse, what prevents a team from playing hydrated balls in the top half of the innings and dehydrated balls in the bottom half of the innings? Are there ball hydration security measures out there? How do we know the Orcs aren't already doing this?2 months 3 weeks ago

mojician: If an enterprising groundskeeper wanted to give his team a home field advantage, he could run the game balls through a humidor, or a dehydrator as appropriate to drastically alter the play. Supposing it was J.A. Happ flyball day, he could hydrate the balls to make sure that they were all staying in the park. If the hitters were slumping, the groundskeeper could bake or dehydrate the balls to liven it up a bit. The ball looks exactly the same whether it is hydrated or dehydrated, and the weight is negligible until it takes flight, so the chances of getting caught would be minimal.2 months 3 weeks ago

mojician: Ball humidity, not air humidity, affects the pop in a baseball to an average of 2.8 mph off the bat. 2.2 mph is attributed to ball springiness, and .6 is attributed to extra ball weight.
http://insidethezona.com/2014/11/time-humidor-chase-field/
A humidor was first used at Coors field to deaden the ball. That extra five percent loss in springiness led to a 30 percent reduction in homeruns.2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: Along those lines, from MLBTR: •The Rangers and Mariners join the previously-reported Cubs as teams to have checked in on outfielder Jonny Gomes, Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com tweets. The veteran lefty-masher should have his choice of several landing spots, and will no doubt look to maximize his expected role.2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: I'm there, too Gordon. I can see Rasmus happening. He plays CF (decently +) and can move to CF if we don't sign Jackson next year. We would need to add a 4th COF with a RHB for balance. Hmmmm....Kivlehan? I like a Rasmus signing much more than Rios, for example. Melky, too...as he should be significantly cheaper.2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: I dunno why, but I'm expecting a Colby Rasmus type deal. Which would be odd because he's basically Michael Saunders, complete with attitudinal quirks. But Colby is still in his prime, can still play CF (which we'll need beyond this year), wouldn't help our OBP issues at all so he fits right in with the club we've got, and he doesn't cost the extra draftpick that Melky does. I wish Jack would hurry up and add the OF we need so I can stop wondering. There are a lot of options... but I figured he had a handshake agreement before moving Saunders. We'll see.2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Mike's message to Mariners fans (per Divish): "I just want them to know how much I appreciated their support. I can never thank them enough. They stood behind me through thick and thin, good and bad. They always had my back. They are the one thing I'm gonna miss the most. I consider them part of my family. They will always have a place in my heart." Soo... July 24th or so should be a standing ovation when Saunders comes back to visit with the Jays. I really did not want to part with him. Looking forward to seeing the plan for replacing him (even tho I think Happ will be pretty good for us).2 months 3 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: Now we get the news that Blake Beavan has signed a minor league deal with Arizona... What are these Mariners doing??? ... Oh wait... did I write Beavan... never mind.2 months 3 weeks ago

misterjonez: That does seem to have become a 'must' at this point, Griz. Before, they could have theoretically punted and been ~ok, but now without their most productive OF from 2014 (on a per-AB basis, anyway) they're really going to need to solidify one of the corners. I suppose Melky could do.2 months 3 weeks ago

j.b. Kawika: any idea why I can&#039;t see comments on the POTD post? The main page says there are 8, but when I click into the post it says zero.2 months 3 weeks ago

misterjonez: Agreed on trading Walker andpicking up one of the three aces (I'd be ok with Shields) but that would work well. Still, it's a little more aggressive than even the FO seemed to signal they were willing to be this offseason. If it netted us Kemp+Shields/Lester/Scherzer, though...nah, that's probably too much money. Not sure I see an MLB-ready COF that could make an impact this year that's available. Souza, maybe, but he's no sure thing...I dunno. Happ for Saunders is interesting, but it really does call a few things into question.2 months 3 weeks ago

Silentpadna: Doc, site is all out of whack today....Originally tried to put the shout below into the "paradox" post comment section. No luck. Logging in is tough.... navigation not responding....just an FYI - as if you needed it.2 months 3 weeks ago

Silentpadna: Get Lester or Sherzer. The offense ain't a juggernaut of course. If you can't give in to the con artists who want your aces, you always have alternatives. There are two sitting out there right now. They have the cash earmarked, which is useless until they deploy it. So deploy it. Get me some Scherzer or Lester. Cool by me. Then, if you have to trade Walker, you make THEM add the sweeteners.2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: If we trade Walker for one year of Upton and we don't win a World Series I'm going to cry out loud. One year of Upton? Justin Upton is very nice. Not THAT nice.2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: Me thinks he dith protest too much. Well..."dith" probably isn't a word. It's as close to the past tense of "doth" as I can come up with. I just get the sense he and the Skipper had it out in private one time.2 months 3 weeks ago

mojician: I don't get what the Mariners had against Saunders. He was a 1. Fan Favorite, with 2. The coolest nickname on the team, 3. He was worth the arbitration money that he was owed next year, even if he only played 70 games, he slotted as a fourth outfielder like peas and carrots. I also don't get why he complained about playing time when he had an advanced injury history. Maybe behind closed doors, the Condor squawked too much. Or something.2 months 3 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: The $7 to 10 million in this market probably buys you one whale of a pitcher... be it Masterson or Liriano or ....2 months 3 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: Last point... with the winter meetings happening in a couple days, why not wait to see if you could get more? Was Jack actually worried that Happ was the best he could do for Saunders? in this offense starved market?2 months 3 weeks ago

mojician: Good point Tacoma. Condor had better not dive for anything in Toronto.2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: I would like to dislike this move, as Daddy does, but I can't bring myself to. I don't like it, mind you. But moving Saunders for something not-terrific was a fait accompli a while back. If we move Taijuan for Kemp now, well....I won't know what to say. With guys available for lesser things, I think I would dislike that move. To tell you the truth....you could probably get Craig for a very affordable amount. Now that I would be WAY in for! Will take Souza, BTW....and grin ear-to-ear. Gordon is probably right about Kivlehan, he's not ready "now." The question is whether he would be ready by June 1st? On that, I will not bet against him. In fact, I would bet a fair sum on him.2 months 3 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: By the way, if Saunders and his $3.5M salary are worth Happ and his $6.7M salary... then Jack should be able to trade Erasmo for Allen Craig or Victorino & cash.2 months 3 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: How much does Jack hate Saunders to send his beaten up body to the astro-turf in Toronto. There is no way Saunders will survive 50 games per year actually played in Toronto.2 months 3 weeks ago

DaddyO: By itself I do NOT like this move. My only hope is that other larger but related moves make how I feel about this one irrelevant. Say, for example, that we get Kemp at a greatly reduced cost in exchange for Walker. I don't want to give up Walker...if we do Kemp should come with some very serious salary offset.2 months 3 weeks ago

Bat571: I've really wanted Kemp, but not if it costs Taijuan or any of the other "core" guys (Taijuan, Paxton, Miller, Zunino). D.J. I'm less attached to, especially now that Seager has been extended. But if the Ms could get Souza for Ackley (to play 2B for the Nats), and they could sign Melky for ~4/$60M, it probably is better now than getting Kemp at the price they're talking. And "scrap-heap" is what Happ is - once a prized prospect, now likely Noesi redux. Bleeeccchh!!! Go get Melky, Z, and lets get the Dominican dancing going in the 'Pen.2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: I swear, if they trade Taijuan because they got a scrap-heap #5 pitcher and we don't get a juggernaut, I'm gonna be... upset. Yes, Safeco will help Happ with his flyball problem. That's not a good enough reason for trading the baby wunderkind. Especially not if it's in this ludicrous Walker + DJ + other stuff deal for Kemp. Kemp had better cost us about a buck-forty-seven in salary if that's the case.2 months 3 weeks ago

Bat571: Happ, year in, year out has allowed > league average OPS to opposing batters. The suggestion (from Morosi on MLB TV) that he's coming in to allow trading Taijuan Walker makes me ill. Why couldn't they just have signed Chris Young? He's probably available for the same $6M+ they're going to pay Happ. I just don't get this at all. Is there some other team that *wants* Happ and there's more to come?2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Well, Happ is the #5 starter we were looking for (assuming Felix, Kuma, Taijuan and Paxton are 1-4). That puts Elias on the outside looking in, which is fine - he's the best #6 around, and can throw half the year in Tacoma til we need him. And we've made the hole in RF as moe said... now it's time to fill it. Romero isn't ready. Kivlehan isn't ready (but is good at doing things he's not ready for). Miller doesn't have enough bat for a full-time gig there, I don't think - not with Jackson and Ackley as the other two OFers. Go find me a bat, Jack. Now we really need one. Best of luck to the Condor, in health and in the lineup.2 months 3 weeks ago

Bat571: At this point, I've come around to the idea that OBP up top is the next need. So, Melky Cabrera makes more sense to me now - LF and batting 2nd. Then trade Ackley (+ Medina +?) to Washington for Souza to play RF and for Taylor Hill and/or Felipe Rivero for AAA starters that *could* go into the rotation if there's a problem. Frankly, I don't see much in Happ - I think Elias is better. Sad day for me.2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: Happ gets beat by walks, homers and base hits. At least in Safeco the homers will decline a bit. Saunder's value wasn't great, was it? Someday we will read the behind the spin story of how the Condor ticked off a manager and a FO. But this means there is another roster move. We are now short a RF. Unless it is Romero/Kivlehan/Miller.....2 months 3 weeks ago

malcontent: Also, drool over that Toronto offense now that they have the final piece.2 months 3 weeks ago

malcontent: Fun fact about J.A. Happ. In 2007, his average Fastball velocity was 87.7 MPH. It's risen every season since and was 92.7 last season.2 months 3 weeks ago

okdan: Yup. Saunders to Toronto for JA Happ. The Condor has left the nest.2 months 3 weeks ago

malcontent: Somehow I always expected Condor to end up in Toronto2 months 3 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: Doc - I had trouble logging in this morning, but I was able to refresh the site at lunch time - and everything cleared up for me2 months 3 weeks ago

jemanji: On both of those, I'd need the inside medical info … know any physical trainers who could comment?2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Wondering if anybody wants to take a shot on Medlen or Ogando for that #5 slot that could push Elias back to AAA/long relief as insurance or playoff-stretch planning.2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Jose Campos absolutely destroyed the NWL as an 18 year old. He's never been healthy since, and he's lost a foot or two off his fastball. I expect the Yanks to re-sign him, probably, because even with his injury woes he's still had his control whenever he can get into games. They'll probably convert him to relief, see if he can emerge as a Rafael Soriano type. if they don't want to try that, I'm fine with picking him up and seeing what he's got left. Kid had a tremendous and accurate arm.2 months 3 weeks ago

Gordon Gross: Kinda love that Seager's option year becomes a player option if he's traded (thus making him less likely to be traded) AND would be a drop in price if his performance or heath declines in previous years. He wants to be here for his career. Seager is signing up for a place in the Mariners panthoen. He wants to stay here, not just get paid.2 months 3 weeks ago

Tacoma Rain: Also worthy of a wry smile - Campos non-tendered by the Yankees. Hard to imagine Hector is the best player from the trade currently.2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: Toronto non-tendered Smoak. Dierks, too. He will find a job, I think. He was injured all of last year but he isn't terrible and he had a very nice '12.2 months 3 weeks ago

moethedog: Heisey isn't Van Slyke. He doesn't hit...and his value is that he can play CF, although he has played it less the last couple of years. He almost seems to be an acquisition before they dump some other OF. If we're trading Ackley for Van Slyke I would be just fine. I think the Dodgers will keep him. I'm not sure what Heisey is about.2 months 3 weeks ago

misterjonez: That makes Seager ours for a long, long time. Glad to have him in the fold.2 months 3 weeks ago