Vhati il-Dal Discussion

2 weeks ago

I've built a very similar deck. Here are some suggestions based on my build.

Dusk / Dawn is (almost) a completely one-sided wrath. I only have 2-3 creatures it can hit in my build. At worst you lose one or two creatures while you wipe all or most of their board. It seems like a definite include and it provides late game card advantage by recurring most of your squad.

Elspeth, Sun's Champion also provides a (mostly) one-sided wrath effect. The great thing is you can play it and "wrath" in one turn and she lives. Also since you killed several of their creatures. It's likely she'll be able to setup to wrath again in a few turns.

I really like Humble in this deck. It's a single-use Vhati il-Dal that I treat as removal and let's you do fun battle tricks even when you're not attacking or defending. Good times.

Thrill of the Hunt is a good replacement for Iron Will. It doesn't pump as much, but you can use it twice on two different creatures if desired.

Team pumping seems better overall than the targeted variant. Bar the Door, Fortify, and Solidarity all feel that Overrun-esque role. Also Overrun, albeit a sorcery, can punch through those last points of damage ignoring their board state. I don't have it in my build, but it wouldn't hurt.

Intimidation - A very expensive enchantment that doesn't grant you much synergy as I don't think you will be wanting to attack often. Rather rest on your defenses until the timing is perfect. I.E. Craterhoof Behemoth or Overrun

4 months ago

I realize that Screams from Within doesn't produce a -1/-1 counter. The reason I suggested it to you is that it has the ability to make your other spells that create -1/-1 counters work much more efficiently because of it's 'return to the battlefield on enchanted creature dying' ability. In your deck, I think the two effects, that is, the abundance of -1/-1 effects and Screams from Within's persistent, reusable -1/-1 effect, would complement each other really well.

Perhaps you have considered the card in depth, but in the case where you haven't, I've tried to describe some examples below of how the card could help your deck be better, because I want to help you understand what I mean.

With Screams from Within in your hand and Vhati il-Dal on the battlefield, most creatures your opponents can cast are able to be killed disturbingly easily.

You would use Vhati's ability to give an opponent's creature a toughness of one, the cast Screams on it to send it to the graveyard, after which Screams would return to the battlefield to enchant another creature of your choice. Next turn, Vhati would give the newly enchanted creature a toughness of one, and then Screams would do the send-creature-to-graveyard, return-itself-to-battlefield dance again, ready to destroy another creature next turn.

Another example. Screams from Within gives spells like Skinrender additional killing power once Screams from Within has been returned from the battlefield more that three times after killing a creature, in such a way it's like your getting a mana discount on your destroy creature spells and abilities.

Skinrender, as you know, allows you to put three -1/-1 counters on the creature of your choice when it comes onto the battlefield. So you could put those counters on the opponent's 3/3 creature (the former 4/4), and use Screams from Within to finish the job and send it to the graveyard.

In the above scenario, if Blowfly Infestation was on the battlefield when Black Sun's Zenith was played, that would be at least three -1/-1 counters from your opponent's flyblown dead critters and an extra -1/-1 from the dead 4/4 creature killed by Skinrender.

5 months ago

Love the deck name! Very befitting. My Doran build I'm working on is vastly different, but I like seeing a different deck like this for comparison. I'm thinking of trying to utilize the treefolk tribal. That said, I have a lot of non-treefolk tribal cards that aren't included here too. Here are some suggestions to give you food for thought:

My list is much more creature-oriented, but I think Doran ought to be a creature deck first, so maybe scaling back a little of the targeted removal would be a good idea. However, I don't know who you're up against either, so perhaps you feel you need it worse than I do.

One last thing, while Eternal Witness doesn't fit Doran's little power-swap, I think it's strictly better than Skullwinder in any given situation. But that's my preference.

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