If that's your logic good for you but it's not the logic we are using...

Our logic includes consent. Animals don't give consent. They are victims. We don't support anyone being a victim. That's why we don't support
bestiality and pedophilia and all these other tired arguments.

You didn't prove anything.
He didn't say that heterosexuality is not an natural thing. Nor does calling someone a bigot proofs he is a bigot.
The thing is that you are raised in a society that becomes more and more acceptable of homosexuality.

Even different western countries handle the subject differently. In the United States the laws against sodomy where repealed or invalidated. In the
United Kingdom sodomy was made legal.
We're not talking ancient history here, you can't expect people to change their opinion overnight.

Originally posted by neobludragon
I just wish that people would stop with this stupid agenda, ok your gay, i'm straight, hes bi, shes a lesbian, who cares? Its specially annoying when
they have to shove it in our faces with parades bout it. Russia had the best idea with banning the propaganda.

OK, I kept out of these debates because there are some people who hate so much that you can't reason with them. But I do need to say something about
this "shoving it into our faces" business.

Surely it must be just as disgusting for a gay person to have to watch hetero sex in every movie "shoved into their faces," or those pesky white
weddings, where hundreds of people turn up, dressed in ridiculous clothing, behaving loud and obnoxiously. Or what about those garish 'love boats'
at fun fairs, invented by heteros to nurture young couples or Valentines day? Yuck, all about garish hearts, giving cards to each other, shoving it
into the homosexual's faces?

Seriously it all boils down to one thing only: those that say rubbish such as above believe absolutely that being gay is a choice.

If they understood once and for all that it is as much a 'choice' as your heterosexuality the rest would fall into place automatically and they
would feel foolish but that is not gonna happen because they enjoy hating.

There is a sadness that surrounds homosexuality, ask any gay person who is at the age where others have had or are having children about family and
you will see sadness come across their face because they know their genetic line ends with them!

A) Be quiet and closeted about it
B) "Own it" despite what the popular opinion is

In otherwords

A) Shut up
B) Be prideful

What about just being yourself. I am heterosexual, yet I refrain from dry humping my wife in public. I respect your way of life, while it's not for
me, as long as you are happy, then fantastic. But the Liberachi flamboyant acting is just for show and it's repulsive to some. You can be a gay as
you want without trying to make sure everyone knows it. Just show a tiny bit of respect for others.

Honestly, a big portion of us are kind of on your side. We think you deserve to be happy. Just tone it down a few flames.

do you have an opinion about this type of logic? Do you agree that's it's flawed?

Firstly, I kinda see where the poster you replied to was coming from, it might have been a little easier if you didn't reference the thread
specifically, instead just concentrating on that type of "logic". I'm not sure why this is in a political section, but I guess with the recent
ruling in California, it kinda fits, thought this would probably be a better fit in the rant section.

I agree, that type of logic is illogical. I call it mental gymnastics. You'll see it a lot here. Homosexuality occurs in nature, it does. You
can't say those animals CHOSE to be gay. You can't say our corrupt aimless society made them gay because we've "strayed away from gods
teachings". Yet, people will sit here and tell me that is the case.

To compare the act of consenting sex to rape, murder and any other number of crimes, is just pure fantasy. It's mental gymnastics because I believe,
deep down, people who say that crap don't even really believe it themselves. Deep down they know they have no right to discriminate against anyone,
and they know deep down, it doesn't effect them at all, unless of course they are gay. So, instead of reevaluating their entire world view, they
trick themselves with mental gymnastics. How many times have you seen the following here?:

"Now, I don't have anything against homosexuals but...... here's a list of all the things I have against homosexuals."

If they understood once and for all that it is as much a 'choice' as your heterosexuality the rest would fall into place automatically and they
would feel foolish but that is not gonna happen because they enjoy hating.

Let me relate a story that illustrates your point. I have a friend, yes, i know, wow, i have a friend... An intelligent one. One who even comes
here in, posts, creates threads, etc etc. He's no idiot, he's a smart guy. Then one day I load up facebook and what is his status? Well I can't
remember the WHOLE status but the main point was this:

"..... but I do know that being gay is a choice"

So I posted asking him, ok then, when exactly did you choose to be straight? Cause I sure as hell never did, yet here I am, 100% hetrosexual and
married. He actually said 10. He replied and with a straight face (pun intended) said he chose to be straight at age 10.

I of course said, no, you certainly didn't because.....

If you chose to be straight, you are gay, embrace it, life is too short. Find someone who loves you as much as you love them and be happy. And guess
what? Whatever joe blow biggot has to say means NOTHING. Of course, he eventually replied saying he didn't actually choose. And that's the point,
you didn't choose to be straight, just like they didn't choose to be gay. Who on earth would choose to be in a group discriminated against at every
turn?

Back to the in your face stuff. Some people are flamboyant. I have about as much time and respect for them as I do meathead jocks chestbumping
around shirtless yelling "bro, dude, buddy, guy!" It has nothing to do with where they want to insert their sexual organs.

some people say it's unnatural. Well it's not, it does occur in nature. You know what's really unnatural? Monogamy. It's extremely rare in
nature. So is consensual sex. Most reproduction in nature takes place during, what could arguably be called, rape.

If you can find love, true love, in this twisted backwards world, grab onto it and hold on tight, no oneelses butthurt matters.

There is a sadness that surrounds homosexuality, ask any gay person who is at the age where others have had or are having children about family
and you will see sadness come across their face because they know their genetic line ends with them!

Umm...

Surrogate mother uses one of their genetics. Insemination uses one of their genetics.

Please don't think I am saying you're half right.

Also. Not everyone feels a need to continue their genetics this way. This applies to straight people as well. Some people adopt and are more than
happy to. Some people decide to never have kids and it doesn't make them sad.

Originally posted by neobludragon
I just wish that people would stop with this stupid agenda, ok your gay, i'm straight, hes bi, shes a lesbian, who cares? Its specially annoying when
they have to shove it in our faces with parades bout it. Russia had the best idea with banning the propaganda.

Thank you sooooooooo much!!!

Why do gays and other "minorities" have to throw it in our faces all the damn time? I'm so sick of the gays and blacks and hispanics and native
americans and everybody bitching all the damn time.

Who cares?!? So what you're gay or you're not gay big deal good for you either way why do you think everyone cares?

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body but you don't hear me complaining or bragging or whatever you people claim you're doing!

Why is it that people have these 'gay pride parades' anyway? You never here of a 'hetro pride parade'....

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Look...

Your two options as a gay are to

A) Be quiet and closeted about it
B) "Own it" despite what the popular opinion is

In otherwords

A) Shut up
B) Be prideful

Sure, you CAN be a moderate gay and just accept that you're not allowed to be outspoken about it in public... Just like when segregation was the
official stance of the US, you COULD be black and

A) Accept that you're worth less than a white person (in this case - straight person)
B) Refuse to accept it and say "I am a person and you will recognize me as such" until you're treated equally

Imagine a person (a gay person in the modern era, or black person in the civil rights era) who lives on the inbetween. Society sees him as less than
a man, yet he sees himself as completely average. Just like everyone else! That person doesn't exist. Because that person is mentally unaware of
the world around him,

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or... find that happy medium that the majority live in. you know the one. Ya go about your business. Focus on your self and family. The one that
does not need a parade to prove your existence.

I'd like to compare your parade quote but that is flawed thinking. It's flawed because the parades go off because of holidays. They do not go off
because of the individual. A parade on a holiday includes everyone in the town. A parade for a certain culture excludes the majority.

You don't seem to understand the reason why gay pride parades exist and why they need to continue to exist.

Gay Pride is not the LGBTQ community feeling accomplished or boastful about their sexual orientation, and it is not about parades and rainbows.
It is about creating a safe space for LGTBQ members to commune together in support of each other, it is about welcoming those outside our community to
join us and learn who we are to educate away the stereotypes, and most of all it is about personal strength. It means that I have overcome the
shame, the ridicule, and the discrimination I once associated with being myself. It means I have allowed myself to transcend how other
people’s insecurities affect me when revealing my orientation. And it means that I am proud that I have chosen to be honest with myself and
others about who I am, that I will make no apologies for it, and that I will continue to be happy and successful by my own standards
because I choose to do so everyday.

This is born out of the fact that gay people are not treated the same as straight people. Straight people, can, for example, hold hands without
getting weird looks. They can for example, get married, and get all of the advantages that brings. Gay pride has nothing to do with turning people
gay, saying gay people are better than straight people, or by trying to be perverse as possible in public.

If you are against gay pride parades then it seems like you just want gay people to roll over and accept the homophobic behaviour.

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