Well, Amos, given that you have repeatedly posted arguments that Jews had the Holocaust coming to them, it's no surprise that you would downplay the massacres and repression that drove Jews from Arab countries into Israel.

Then why aren't you lecturing Arabs to try treating their minorities better?

Why are you blaming Moroccan Jews for their imputent decision to flee that hellhole?

Because, like it or not, Israel is ground zero for this discussion ... you solve the Israeli problem, you solve most of the unrest in the Middle East, which in one form or another, comes directly from the state of Israel and the unequal advantage it has in the region.

Point being: Why try so hard to prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon when Israel has had one for years. What makes Israel the gifted child that can hold that power yet the world says everyone else can't? When you have a country that receives as much international aid and international arms dealings as Israel does, you're going to create unrest.

So, take the first step and invite them into the peace process. If after every Palestinian becomes a citizen and they are represented equally and they STILL cannot have peace, go for it, slaughter them all. But to blockade these people into the Gaza Strip and take MORE land in 1949 than you originally alotted is nothing more than the Israelis being greedy little farks because they had international arms backing in the wars.

Aka, the Golan Heights is NOT Israel, give it back to Syria. The Gaza Strip is NOT Israel, give it back to Egypt. Go back to your own prescribed borders from 1948 and stop trying to use national security as an excuse to keep increasing the land area of your country. Every time they do so, they piss people off.

You remember the stories John use to tell us about the the three chinamen playing Fantan? This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game." I shall finish the game, Doc.

I guess I don't know enough to root for either side, so I'm going to root for progress. Let's get on with it already.

Takeaways from this:1) Hamas kills their own kids and blames Israel.2) Egypt is playing along with the charade.3) Bloggers can apparently figure this out with no problem.4) AP and CNN are incapable of getting any story right.

BattleAxe:CNN Duped By Sad Story Of Dead Palestinian Child 'Killed By Israel'?

Takeaways from this:1) Hamas kills their own kids and blames Israel.2) Egypt is playing along with the charade.3) Bloggers can apparently figure this out with no problem.4) AP and CNN are incapable of getting any story right.

Or you could fall back on that ol' cliche. "All's fair in love and ratings."

Army Minister General Korechika Anami opposed any cessation of military action. His plan was for an all out final battle. His stance was that the US had no stomach to continue the fight and force the earlier unconditional surrender demands.

July 16 '45 Potsdam - The U.S. had already broken the Japaneese codes and were able to decypher communications. Truman therefore knew there was resistance to the Unconditional Surrender ultimatum. In what was in Truman's mind an effort to give the Japaneese a chance to "back down", the ultimatum was modified to surrender of the armed forces of Japan. This would give the Japaneese an open door to keep the Emperor and soften the terms. Instead, this backfired (as it always does -see the placation of Hitler by Chamberlain etc..). When this modified declaration was broadcast to japan, this softening of the terms was seen as a "promising development" by Suzuki and the rest who felt "for the enemy to say something like that means circumstances have arrisin that force them to end the war" (aka back down) "that is why they are no longer insisting on full unconditional surrender." They felt that in light of this weakening (much like hitler saw the weakness of the allies, much like Osama saw clintons failure to stand up to him*) as an opening and that we (the U.S) would not hold firm, but would yield.

In light of this perceived weakened stance, Prime Minister Suzuki -who as earlier shown had supported surrender- announced that his government would ignore the Potsdam declaration. In his declarat ...

Most of my knowledge about Potsdam is from reading Churchill's wanking to get the US to fight the Soviets in Europe rather than getting the Soviets to help finish off Japan. My US education didn't particularly address this other than in a vague 'Kill Commies!'. What is your source on Suzuki's and others attitudes?

OnlyM3:Fair question, and due to the utter failure of U.S. education system.. not a completely surprising one.Prime Minister Suzuki & Foreign minister Shigenori Tōgō were considering a negotiated "settlement" to the war.Army Minister General Korechika Anami opposed any cessation of military action. His plan was for an all out final battle. His stance was that the US had no stomach to continue the fight and force the earlier unconditional surrender demands.July 16 '45 Potsdam - The U.S. had already broken the Japaneese codes and were able to decypher communications. Truman therefore knew there was resistance to the Unconditional Surrender ultimatum. In what was in Truman's mind an effort to give the Japaneese a chance to "back down", the ultimatum was modified to surrender of the armed forces of Japan. This would give the Japaneese an open door to keep the Emperor and soften the terms. Instead, this backfired (as it always does -see the placation of Hitler by Chamberlain etc..). When this modified declaration was broadcast to japan, this softening of the terms was seen as a "promising development" by Suzuki and the rest who felt "for the enemy to say something like that means circumstances have arrisin that force them to end the war" (aka back down) "that is why they are no longer insisting on full unconditional surrender." They felt that in light of this weakening (much like hitler saw the weakness of the allies, much like Osama saw clintons failure to stand up to him*) as an opening and that we (the U.S) would not hold firm, but would yield.

Arrisin? Really? And you want to chide others for their lack of education?

seadoo2006:Because, like it or not, Israel is ground zero for this discussion ... you solve the Israeli problem, you solve most of the unrest in the Middle East, which in one form or another, comes directly from the state of Israel and the unequal advantage it has in the region.

I don't think if Israel disappeared tomorrow, say all Israelis packed their bags and moved, that the unrest in the ME would quiet down. Israel is a foil, but there would be another one to follow immediately. Some of it is a hangover from the borders created through the British Mandate, some from outright racism, some from extreme wealth inequality, some from theocratic fundamentalism and a whole pile of tribalism.

seadoo2006:ocschwar: Sounds like they knew what they were getting into.

So, let's see: you've been confronted with the facts about the treatment of the Jewish community in the Arab world, and you don't give a flying fark.

Since you're talking about the moral high ground, answer this: what possible argument can you offer to show that YOU have th moral high ground??

Because I believe in democracy ... treat everyone fairly and stop trying to 'payback' your abuses with abuses of your own. Again, I've said it a thousand times ... make every willing Palestinian a full and free citizen of the Israeli state and offer the current Palestinian government equal representation in a newly reformed state.

Unless you guys truly LIKE getting randomly blown up by rockets, I can't imagine any other reason why this poses such a problem to you. Oh, that's right, the Zionists don't believe in peace with the Palestinians, they believe in hopefully getting them all to leave without being blown up in the process.

Either treat them like humans and invite them to the table, or enjoy your rocket attacks. But please, stop trying to con the US and UN into feeling sorry for you starting and provoking a continued war for 60+ years ... figure it out yourselves.

Me? I think the whole lot of you should be moved out of the region and it vaporized and returned back to the Mediterranean sea.

So do you think that by miraculously "inviting them to the table" and giving them citizenship + equal representation will stop the attacks from occurring or just end up bringing the attacks closer to their door steps? How do you handle the ongoing terrorist attacks? Ignore it? Peace only works if both sides are rational and understand what they jeopardize by not being peaceful. When you have no oversight and nothing to really lose, why bother being peaceful?

You know, the same exact thing happened growing up with my younger brother. We would fight all the damn time, and really for no reason. We would forget what we were even fighting about or who started it. I wasn't going to stop until he was unable to fight or stopped fighting, where HE was not going to stop fighting - period. We got into a really bad fight one day and I ran into my parents room and locked the door. My parents said "Whoa, what are you doing why did you lock the door!?" A couple seconds later, BAM BAM BAM, my younger brother is hitting the door trying to get in. I was frantic and told my dad that he is trying to hit me with a miniature baseball bat. My dad said, "That's silly, he won't hit you, just open the door and I will talk to him." So, he opens the door and my brother FLEW in and proceeded to hit me with a miniature baseball bat. What I learned from that is fark ever conceding. You know how I stopped his rampages? I punched him finally as hard as I could in his face and broke his nose. We haven't fought since that day. This conflict is no different than a pair of brothers. You are delusional if you think that peace through diplomatic means is achievable. Settle it once and for all and move on from there.

MmmmBacon:seadoo2006: Give the Palestinians a nuke, make the fight fair and watch the show.

/Popcorn ...

Israeli special forces would take it from them before it could be used, and now Israel has another bomb to add to the collection. And there would be a lot more dead Palestinians.

MAD will not work in a situation this chaotic.

Isn't that what's going on though? I'd bet if Israel didn't have to worry about other Arab/Islamic states retaliating they'd already have launched. MAD works both ways; it can keep both sides from doing anything or keep both sides upping the stakes one small step at a time.

Marine1:ArmanTanzarian: Provoking the Muslim/Arab world by instigating a heavy-handed military action by Israel is perhaps the end-game strategy here? Hamas can't possibly hope to prevail in a military conflict with Israel after all...

Thoughts?

Unlikely. The Arab world is now in the position where they at least have to pretend to get along with Israel in order to please the US. They won't be brazen enough to launch organized military strikes on Israel.

It wouldn't have to be an overt military strike... Iran is already providing weapons and cash... And we have seen examples of Muslims crossing boarders to assist other Muslims in fighting in recent times. The image of Jews kicking Palestinian ass is certain to be provocative across the region yes?

Say whatever the fark you want about Israel, at least they are not actively targeting civilians

Yes they are.I'm not saying that this attack was right, because it was wrong. I would go so far as to say it deserves a retaliation strike, but every time Israel retaliates, it winds up with women and children dead.

Well, Amos, given that you have repeatedly posted arguments that Jews had the Holocaust coming to them, it's no surprise that you would downplay the massacres and repression that drove Jews from Arab countries into Israel.

I guess ol Vladamir was right. Then again, you don't really believe that I have said such things, do you, ocschwar?

ocschwar:Amos, you are a vile, disgusting scumbag. Get cancer and die.

As I said earlier, Zionism is the WORST enemy of the Jewish people. Given that you are such a staunch supporter of this self-destructive and pernicious ideology, I can only conclude that you, ocschwar, are an anti-Semite of the worst stripe.

Well, Amos, given that you have repeatedly posted arguments that Jews had the Holocaust coming to them, it's no surprise that you would downplay the massacres and repression that drove Jews from Arab countries into Israel.

Amos Quito:So no, the Brits were not entirely in favor of ethnically cleansing the area of for the sake of Jews, but that WAS the Zionist plan from the beginning, and given their endless expansion and persecution of the Palestinians, appears to remain as the chief Zionist goal to this day.

Wait, what "endless expansion and persecution of the Palestinians"? If Israel wanted to take every single acre of land currently held by Palestinian groups, they could easily do so. Easily. And yet, they haven't, have they? In fact, if the evil Zionists were as hell-bent on destroying the Palestinians (as your overall post implies), they have had decades in which they could have done so, again rather easily, having vastly superior military might. Again, this hasn't happened.

Why is that? Could it be that maybe, just maybe, you are wrong? Oh, of course not. Zionists are evil, Israel is evil, Palestinians are completely innocent and must be protected at all costs. Got it.

Suggestion: Why not fly on over to Gaza and see about helping the Palestinians yourself? See if you can't talk Hamas into, oh, not launching rockets at Israel from playgrounds and the tops of apartment buildings? Feel free to report back and let us know how that went.

Say whatever the fark you want about Israel, at least they are not actively targeting civilians

Yes they are.I'm not saying that this attack was right, because it was wrong. I would go so far as to say it deserves a retaliation strike, but every time Israel retaliates, it winds up with women and children dead.

They are targeting launchers that Hamas puts in the middle of women and children.

They do this because they want those people dead (it makes Israel look bad) and/or they care more about the lives of their fighters then women and children.

MmmmBacon:Amos Quito: So no, the Brits were not entirely in favor of ethnically cleansing the area of for the sake of Jews, but that WAS the Zionist plan from the beginning, and given their endless expansion and persecution of the Palestinians, appears to remain as the chief Zionist goal to this day.

Wait, what "endless expansion and persecution of the Palestinians"? If Israel wanted to take every single acre of land currently held by Palestinian groups, they could easily do so. Easily. And yet, they haven't, have they? In fact, if the evil Zionists were as hell-bent on destroying the Palestinians (as your overall post implies), they have had decades in which they could have done so, again rather easily, having vastly superior military might. Again, this hasn't happened.

Why is that? Could it be that maybe, just maybe, you are wrong? Oh, of course not. Zionists are evil, Israel is evil, Palestinians are completely innocent and must be protected at all costs. Got it.

Suggestion: Why not fly on over to Gaza and see about helping the Palestinians yourself? See if you can't talk Hamas into, oh, not launching rockets at Israel from playgrounds and the tops of apartment buildings? Feel free to report back and let us know how that went.

"135 B.CAntiochus Epiphanes desecrates Second Jewish Temple; leading to Hasmonean Revolt against Rome.

70 A.D.Titus took Jerusalem - second revolt. Over one million Jews killed.

136 A.D.580,000 men destroyed, 985 towns destroyed - third revolt.

300 A.D.Purim festival celebrating God's deliverance to Mordecai and the Jews through Esther and the fasting. Lies spread that Jews kill Christians for sacrifice. Emperor Severus also said the Jews purchased 90,000 Christians to kill them.

325 A.D.Constantine changed the celebration of Easter on the calendar so that it did not coincide with the Jewish Passover.

379 A.D.Vicious writing by St. John Chrysostom and St. Ambrose in Milan who said: "The Jews are the most worthless of all men. They are lecherous, greedy, rapacious. They are perfidious murderers of Christ. They worship the Devil. Their religion is a sickness. The Jews are the odious assassins of Christ and for killing God there is no expiation possible, no indulgence or pardon. Christians may never cease vengeance, and the Jew must live in servitude forever. God always hated the Jews. It is essential that all Christians hate them." He was called the Bishop with the Golden Tongue. St. Ambrose, Bishop of the Church offered to burn the synagogue himself.

395 A.D.St. Gregory of Nyssa in sermons and writings characterized Jews as assassins of the Prophets, companions of the Devil, a race of vipers, a Sanhedrin of Demons, enemies of all that is beautiful, hogs and goats in their lewd grossness.

415 A.D.Bishop Severus BURNED THE SYNAGOGUE IN THE VILLAGE OF MAGONA. BISHOP OFALEXANDRIA, ST. CYRIL EXPELLED JEWS FROM ALEXANDRIA AND GAVE THE MOB JEWISH PROPERTY.ACCUSATION of Ritual murder by the Jews during Purim. Christians confiscated synagogues in ANTIOCH.These were not hooligans but Church Fathers!AUGUSTINE, JEROME, AMBROSE AND LESSER SAINTS AS ST. CHRYSOSTROM AND CYRIL, added to untruths the new ones that Jews were dishonest and prone to sexual perversions.

717 A.D.Jews had to wear special yellow garb. Originated in Islam.

1012 A.D.Emperor Henry II of Germany expels Jews from Mainz, the beginning of persecutions against Jews in Germany.

1096 A.D.First Crusade. Crusaders massacre the Jews of the Rhineland.

1144 A.D.First recorded blood libel. In Norwich it was alleged that the Jews had "bought a Christian child before Easter, tortured him with all the tortures wherewith our Lord was tortured and on Friday hanged him on a rood in hatred of our Lord." (England)This notorious allegation that Jews murder non-Jews, especially Christians, in order to obtain blood for the Passover or other rituals is a complex of deliberate lies, trumped up accusations, and popular beliefs about the murder-lust of the Jews and their blood-thirstiness, based on the conception that Jews hate Christianity and mankind in general. It is combined with the delusion that Jews are in some way not human and must have recourse to special remedies and subterfuges in order to appear at least outwardly, like other men. The blood libel led to trials and massacres of Jews. Its origin is rooted in ancient almost primordial, concepts concerning the potency and energies of blood. It is one of the most terrible expressions of human cruelty and credulity. These blood rituals are expressly forbidden in Judaism. (See Leviticus 17;11 etc.)

1190 A.D.Massacre of Jews in England.

1215 A.D.The Jewish badge introduced.

1240 A.D.Talmud burned in France.

1290 A.D.Jews expelled from England.

1298 A.D.Massacre of thousands in Germany, in 146 localities.

1306 A.D.Expulsion from France.

1348 A.D.JEWS blamed for the BLACK DEATH. Charge laid to the Jews that they POISONED the wells to kill CHRISTIANS.

1389 A.D.MASSACRES in Bohemia, Spain.

1421 A.D.270 JEWS BURNED AT THE STAKE. In the 14th and 15th centuries the Inquisition was more intense because the Church and State joined forces. Just being Jewish guaranteed persecution

1480 A.D.Inquisition in Spain - Jews and Christians burned at the stake.

1483 A.D.EXPULSIONS from Warsaw, Sicily, Lithuania, Portugal.

1492 A.D.ALL JEWS EXPELLED FROM SPAIN.

1506 A.D.Murders in Lisbon - 4000, "conversos", men, women, and children thrown from windows to street mobs below, due to preaching by Dominicans against the Jews.

1510 A.D.EXPELLED from Brandenburg, Germany.

1516 A.D.Venice initiates the ghetto, the first in Christian Europe.

1544 A.D.The Reformation. At the end of Martin Luther's life the German reformer vilified the Jews in violent pamphlets which could not fail to exert their influence. But because Calvinists were steeped in Old Testament theology, the Dutch people respected the Jews as "the Chosen" people; and were not anti-Semitic in their faith. The reformation was a time of turmoil as the Roman Church and feudalism lost their supremacy. There was a rising up of Nationhood and Luther was a German nationalist. The Talmud was seized and burned everywhere by Papal authority. Jews in Catholic countries and Polish Jews suffered greatly. Luther's anti-Semitic writings were later used in anti-Semitic literature.

1553 A.D.Rome seized and burned the Talmud by order of the POPE.

1559 A.D.12,000 copies of Talmud burned in Milan.

1569 A.D.POPE PIUS V ordered all Jews out of the Papal states.

1593 A.D.EXPULSIONS from Italy and Bavaria.

1598 A.D.Ritual murder charge that sent three Jews to their deaths. Execution of the supposed guilty was done by QUARTERING. (In his book the "Birth of the Prison" Michel Foucault describes at length the quartering of a condemned man in 1757. It was done eventually by six horses instead of the four original ones and other means had to come in to play due to the failure even of six horses as the prisoners limbs were tied to ropes harnessed to the horses. Each horse pulled in a different direction. One horse fell to the ground unsuccessfully. Knives had to be used for severing...)

1614 A.D.JEWS attacked and driven out of Frankfurt, Germany.

1624 A.D.GHETTO established in Ferrara, Italy.

1648 A.D.Leader of the Cossacks, in the Ukraine massacres 100,000 Jews and destroyed 300 communities.

1655 A.D.Massacres of Jews in war against Sweden & Russia by Poland.

1715 A.D.POPE PIUS VI issues edict against Jews.

1768 A.D.20,000 Jews in Poland killed.

1805 A.D.MASSACRE of Jews in Algeria.

1840 A.D.BLOOD LIBEL in DAMASCUS.

1853 A.D.BLOOD LIBEL in RUSSIA.

1858 A.D.THE MORTARA CASE: Catholics abduct a 7 yr. old Jewish child. A Catholic servant baptized a Jewish child when the child was seriously ill and the church of Rome seized the child. Outcry had no effect on the POPE.

1879 A.D.Word anti-Semitism comes into existence.

1881 A.D.POGROMS BEGAN. The word is of Russian origin. It designates attack, accompanied by destruction, looting of property, murder, rape. There were three major outbreaks in Russia. The word designates more particularly the attacks carried out by the Christian population. Each pogrom surpassed the other in savagery.KIEV, ODESSA; Here murder of whole families was a common occurrence. Partial data are available for 530 communities in which 887 major pogroms and 349 minor pogroms occurred. There were 60,000 dead and several times that many were wounded.

1882 A.D.FIRST ANTI-JEWISH CONGRESS HELD. In Dresden, Germany.

1894 A.D.ALFRED DREYFUS TRIAL in France. Details follow further on in this summary.

1903 A.D.APPEARANCE of a new issue of the PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION. In Russia.This spectre of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy aiming at reducing the Gentiles to slavery or extermination loomed up in the medieval Christian imagination and grew out of legends about well poisonings and plague spreading. It was concocted in Paris by an unknown author working for the Russian secret police. It was an alleged conference of the leaders of World Jewry. It was translated into all the world languages. In 1963 a Spanish edition was published. During World War II, the Protocols of the elders of Zion became an implicit justification for the GENOCIDE of the Jews and Nazi propaganda relied on them until the last days of the Third Reich. Smaller pamphlets of it have been distributed in B.C. 1983 published in California... Required reading in most Arab countries, in schools, to this day.

1920 A.D.Appearance of ADOLPH HITLER. Also Henry Ford the 1st believes the Protocols; and publishes anti-Jewish articles in his newspaper, the Dearborn Independent.

1925 A.D.MEIN KAMPH appears. Hitler's Plan published in Germany.

1933 A.D.HITLER appointed chancellor in Germany.

1935 A.D.Hitler writes his Nuremberg Laws which lead to his Final Solution.

1938 A.D.Burning in AUSTRIA & GERMANY of Synagogues. Jews sent to concentration camps. Beginnings of the Holocaust.

1939 A.D.Germany overruns Poland.

1940 A.D.Gassing, shootings in Polish Ghettos (Jewish).

1941 A.D.EXPULSION of Jews from the German Reich to Poland. Riots against Jews in Iraq.

1942 A.D.Mass transports of Jews to Belgium & Holland.

1944 A.D.EXTERMINATION OF HUNGARIAN JEWS.

1945 A.D.HOLOCAUST Final Count: 6,000,000 Jews slaughtered.

1946 A.D.Pogroms in Poland - 42 Jews murdered.

1948 A.D.BIRTH OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL. Also Jewish intellectuals shot in Russia.

1952 A.D.Jews murdered byCommunists, and others disappear. Prague trials. Murder of Yiddish intellectuals in Russia and many sent to work camps..

1956 A.D.Jews expelled out of EGYPT.

1967 A.D.SIX DAY WAR. Also new publication of Elders of Zion in Arabic.

1968 A.D.Emigration of last remaining Jews in Poland.

1969 A.D.JEWS EXECUTED IN IRAQ.

1970 A.D.Beginning of imprisonment in Russia of PRISONERS OF CONSCIENCE. ("Refuseniks")

1980 A.D.Russian imprisonments carry on throughout the 70's to the 80's.

1982 A.D.War in Lebanon begins after many years of terrorist attacks against the Jews in the Upper Galilee area from the vantage point of Beaufort Castle. Many Lebanese killed over long period of time, but was ignored by the News Media. War in Lebanon gets slanted coverage.

1983 A.D.Word from Christians in Israel that the PLO planned their next battleground to be Canada via Quebec. Documented proof that Russia planned in 1982 to attack Israel. "Link

You're doing it wrong.

What is it in your book that incites the minority within the Jewish population to alienate those around you? Why does it happen over and again to you?

Unless it's just a great big coincidence, that every time people feel like having a pogrom "Jew" jsut keeps getting drawn out of the hat.

Sick of the professional victim known as the Zionist, you are the most dangerous thing in the world to Jews, you will never let your people live in peace and will always be inciting them, and later hiding amongst them when the shiatrain falls.

Chuck Ruffcorn:MmmmBacon: seadoo2006: Give the Palestinians a nuke, make the fight fair and watch the show.

/Popcorn ...

Israeli special forces would take it from them before it could be used, and now Israel has another bomb to add to the collection. And there would be a lot more dead Palestinians.

MAD will not work in a situation this chaotic.

Isn't that what's going on though? I'd bet if Israel didn't have to worry about other Arab/Islamic states retaliating they'd already have launched. MAD works both ways; it can keep both sides from doing anything or keep both sides upping the stakes one small step at a time.

1967. Israel fought off multiple invading forces from Arab neighbors on all sides, and frankly kicked their asses in the process. Israel does not need to fear their neighbors, they've already proven that even without a Nuke they can and will stomp any Arab country that threatens them. If Israel was so interested in dropping The Bomb, they would have by now. On Iraq, for example, to destroy their nuclear program. Instead they went conventional in that raid. Why? Because Israel isn't the blood-thirsty, nuke-happy monster you portray it to be.

Let me be very clear: I have ZERO problem with a Jewish state. I think it's great that a group of people are actively trying to end the diaspora and return an ethnic group back to a central location.

HOWEVER, I do not agree that the creation of a Jewish state should've been in Israel for three very large reasons:

1) The area of land that is Israel and Palestine has been repeatedly been ground zero for many of the most brutal attacks, land grabs, and conquerings in human history. What in 1948 gave cause to think that the creation of a Jewish state THERE was going to end these extremely violent disputes.

2) There were people already living there in 1948. The creation of Israel was not in a vacuum, there were people living there already and the idea that a group of ethno-religious people could move another group of ethno-religious people off the land they were living on because suddenly a "winner" was decided in the millenia-old conflict was myopic and strongheaded.

3) If the world felt so bad for the Jews after WW2, why did they not just give them Ireland, or Iceland, or some part of sub-Saharan Africa? Why was the Jewish plight so important that they should be GIVEN the lands THEY call home? Afterall, the same things have happened many times in the past and nobody has ever demanded they get their home back. Simply put, the Jewish massacre during the Holocaust was a horrific tragedy that should never be forgotten, but where is the state for the gypsies that were slaughtered? How about the homosexuals that were killed? What about the millions of Russians that died in WW2? Where is their homeland?

The Jews got preferential treatment in 1948 because the memory of WW2 was still burned into the minds of the world. However, that doesn't mean that they can force people off their land and set up shop in a hotly contested area of the world without retaliation or bloodshed. They knew in 1948 what they know now ... that the Jewish state being founded in the 'homeland' of Israel was going to keep the conflict, that has been waging for thousands of years, open and raging.

70 A.D.Titus took Jerusalem - second revolt. Over one million Jews killed.

136 A.D.580,000 men destroyed, 985 towns destroyed - third revolt.

300 A.D.Purim festival celebrating God's deliverance to Mordecai and the Jews through Esther and the fasting. Lies spread that Jews kill Christians for sacrifice. Emperor Severus also said the Jews purchased 90,000 Christians to kill them.

325 A.D.Constantine changed the celebration of Easter on the calendar so that it did not coincide with the Jewish Passover.

379 A.D.Vicious writing by St. John Chrysostom and St. Ambrose in Milan who said: "The Jews are the most worthless of all men. They are lecherous, greedy, rapacious. They are perfidious murderers of Christ. They worship the Devil. Their religion is a sickness. The Jews are the odious assassins of Christ and for killing God there is no expiation possible, no indulgence or pardon. Christians may never cease vengeance, and the Jew must live in servitude forever. God always hated the Jews. It is essential that all Christians hate them." He was called the Bishop with the Golden Tongue. St. Ambrose, Bishop of the Church offered to burn the synagogue himself.

395 A.D.St. Gregory of Nyssa in sermons and writings characterized Jews as assassins of the Prophets, companions of the Devil, a race of vipers, a Sanhedrin of Demons, enemies of all that is beautiful, hogs and goats in their lewd grossness.

415 A.D.Bishop Severus BURNED THE SYNAGOGUE IN THE VILLAGE OF MAGONA. BISHOP OFALEXANDRIA, ST. CYRIL EXPELLED JEWS FROM ALEXANDRIA AND GAVE THE MOB JEWISH PROPERTY.ACCUSATION of Ritual murder by the Jews during Purim. Christians confiscated synagogues in ANTIOCH.These were not hooligans but Church Fathers!AUGUSTINE, JEROME, AMBROSE AND LESSER SAINTS AS ST. CHRYSOSTROM AND CYRIL, added to untruths the new ones that Jews were dishonest and prone to sexual perversions.

717 A.D.Jews had to wear special yellow garb. Originated in Islam.

1012 A.D.Emperor Henry II of Germany expels Jews from Mainz, the beginning of persecutions against Jews in Germany.

1096 A.D.First Crusade. Crusaders massacre the Jews of the Rhineland.

1144 A.D.First recorded blood libel. In Norwich it was alleged that the Jews had "bought a Christian child before Easter, tortured him with all the tortures wherewith our Lord was tortured and on Friday hanged him on a rood in hatred of our Lord." (England)This notorious allegation that Jews murder non-Jews, especially Christians, in order to obtain blood for the Passover or other rituals is a complex of deliberate lies, trumped up accusations, and popular beliefs about the murder-lust of the Jews and their blood-thirstiness, based on the conception that Jews hate Christianity and mankind in general. It is combined with the delusion that Jews are in some way not human and must have recourse to special remedies and subterfuges in order to appear at least outwardly, like other men. The blood libel led to trials and massacres of Jews. Its origin is rooted in ancient almost primordial, concepts concerning the potency and energies of blood. It is one of the most terrible expressions of human cruelty and credulity. These blood rituals are expressly forbidden in Judaism. (See Leviticus 17;11 etc.)

1190 A.D.Massacre of Jews in England.

1215 A.D.The Jewish badge introduced.

1240 A.D.Talmud burned in France.

1290 A.D.Jews expelled from England.

1298 A.D.Massacre of thousands in Germany, in 146 localities.

1306 A.D.Expulsion from France.

1348 A.D.JEWS blamed for the BLACK DEATH. Charge laid to the Jews that they POISONED the wells to kill CHRISTIANS.

1389 A.D.MASSACRES in Bohemia, Spain.

1421 A.D.270 JEWS BURNED AT THE STAKE. In the 14th and 15th centuries the Inquisition was more intense because the Church and State joined forces. Just being Jewish guaranteed persecution

1480 A.D.Inquisition in Spain - Jews and Christians burned at the stake.

1483 A.D.EXPULSIONS from Warsaw, Sicily, Lithuania, Portugal.

1492 A.D.ALL JEWS EXPELLED FROM SPAIN.

1506 A.D.Murders in Lisbon - 4000, "conversos", men, women, and children thrown from windows to street mobs below, due to preaching by Dominicans against the Jews.

1510 A.D.EXPELLED from Brandenburg, Germany.

1516 A.D.Venice initiates the ghetto, the first in Christian Europe.

1544 A.D.The Reformation. At the end of Martin Luther's life the German reformer vilified the Jews in violent pamphlets which could not fail to exert their influence. But because Calvinists were steeped in Old Testament theology, the Dutch people respected the Jews as "the Chosen" people; and were not anti-Semitic in their faith. The reformation was a time of turmoil as the Roman Church and feudalism lost their supremacy. There was a rising up of Nationhood and Luther was a German nationalist. The Talmud was seized and burned everywhere by Papal authority. Jews in Catholic countries and Polish Jews suffered greatly. Luther's anti-Semitic writings were later used in anti-Semitic literature.

1553 A.D.Rome seized and burned the Talmud by order of the POPE.

1559 A.D.12,000 copies of Talmud burned in Milan.

1569 A.D.POPE PIUS V ordered all Jews out of the Papal states.

1593 A.D.EXPULSIONS from Italy and Bavaria.

1598 A.D.Ritual murder charge that sent three Jews to their deaths. Execution of the supposed guilty was done by QUARTERING. (In his book the "Birth of the Prison" Michel Foucault describes at length the quartering of a condemned man in 1757. It was done eventually by six horses instead of the four original ones and other means had to come in to play due to the failure even of six horses as the prisoners limbs were tied to ropes harnessed to the horses. Each horse pulled in a different direction. One horse fell to the ground unsuccessfully. Knives had to be used for severing...)

1614 A.D.JEWS attacked and driven out of Frankfurt, Germany.

1624 A.D.GHETTO established in Ferrara, Italy.

1648 A.D.Leader of the Cossacks, in the Ukraine massacres 100,000 Jews and destroyed 300 communities.

1655 A.D.Massacres of Jews in war against Sweden & Russia by Poland.

1715 A.D.POPE PIUS VI issues edict against Jews.

1768 A.D.20,000 Jews in Poland killed.

1805 A.D.MASSACRE of Jews in Algeria.

1840 A.D.BLOOD LIBEL in DAMASCUS.

1853 A.D.BLOOD LIBEL in RUSSIA.

1858 A.D.THE MORTARA CASE: Catholics abduct a 7 yr. old Jewish child. A Catholic servant baptized a Jewish child when the child was seriously ill and the church of Rome seized the child. Outcry had no effect on the POPE.

1879 A.D.Word anti-Semitism comes into existence.

1881 A.D.POGROMS BEGAN. The word is of Russian origin. It designates attack, accompanied by destruction, looting of property, murder, rape. There were three major outbreaks in Russia. The word designates more particularly the attacks carried out by the Christian population. Each pogrom surpassed the other in savagery.KIEV, ODESSA; Here murder of whole families was a common occurrence. Partial data are available for 530 communities in which 887 major pogroms and 349 minor pogroms occurred. There were 60,000 dead and several times that many were wounded.

1882 A.D.FIRST ANTI-JEWISH CONGRESS HELD. In Dresden, Germany.

1894 A.D.ALFRED DREYFUS TRIAL in France. Details follow further on in this summary.

1903 A.D.APPEARANCE of a new issue of the PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION. In Russia.This spectre of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy aiming at reducing the Gentiles to slavery or extermination loomed up in the medieval Christian imagination and grew out of legends about well poisonings and plague spreading. It was concocted in Paris by an unknown author working for the Russian secret police. It was an alleged conference of the leaders of World Jewry. It was translated into all the world languages. In 1963 a Spanish edition was published. During World War II, the Protocols of the elders of Zion became an implicit justification for the GENOCIDE of the Jews and Nazi propaganda relied on them until the last days of the Third Reich. Smaller pamphlets of it have been distributed in B.C. 1983 published in California... Required reading in most Arab countries, in schools, to this day.

1920 A.D.Appearance of ADOLPH HITLER. Also Henry Ford the 1st believes the Protocols; and publishes anti-Jewish articles in his newspaper, the Dearborn Independent.

1925 A.D.MEIN KAMPH appears. Hitler's Plan published in Germany.

1933 A.D.HITLER appointed chancellor in Germany.

1935 A.D.Hitler writes his Nuremberg Laws which lead to his Final Solution.

1938 A.D.Burning in AUSTRIA & GERMANY of Synagogues. Jews sent to concentration camps. Beginnings of the Holocaust.

1939 A.D.Germany overruns Poland.

1940 A.D.Gassing, shootings in Polish Ghettos (Jewish).

1941 A.D.EXPULSION of Jews from the German Reich to Poland. Riots against Jews in Iraq.

1942 A.D.Mass transports of Jews to Belgium & Holland.

1944 A.D.EXTERMINATION OF HUNGARIAN JEWS.

1945 A.D.HOLOCAUST Final Count: 6,000,000 Jews slaughtered.

1946 A.D.Pogroms in Poland - 42 Jews murdered.

1948 A.D.BIRTH OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL. Also Jewish intellectuals shot in Russia.

1952 A.D.Jews murdered byCommunists, and others disappear. Prague trials. Murder of Yiddish intellectuals in Russia and many sent to work camps..

1956 A.D.Jews expelled out of EGYPT.

1967 A.D.SIX DAY WAR. Also new publication of Elders of Zion in Arabic.

1968 A.D.Emigration of last remaining Jews in Poland.

1969 A.D.JEWS EXECUTED IN IRAQ.

1970 A.D.Beginning of imprisonment in Russia of PRISONERS OF CONSCIENCE. ("Refuseniks")

1980 A.D.Russian imprisonments carry on throughout the 70's to the 80's.

1982 A.D.War in Lebanon begins after many years of terrorist attacks against the Jews in the Upper Galilee area from the vantage point of Beaufort Castle. Many Lebanese killed over long period of time, but was ignored by the News Media. War in Lebanon gets slanted coverage.

1983 A.D.Word from Christians in Israel that the PLO planned their next battleground to be Canada via Quebec. Documented proof that Russia planned in 1982 to attack Israel. "Link

You're doing it wrong.

What is it in your book that incites the minority within the Jewish population to alienate those around you? Why does it happen over and again to you?

Unless it's just a great big coincidence, that every time people feel like having a pogrom "Jew" jsut keeps getting drawn out of the hat.

Sick of the professional victim known as the Zionist, you are the most dangerous thing in the world to Jews, you will never let your people live in peace and will always be inciting them, and later hiding amongst them when the shiatrain falls.

And the reason for this crazy return to an area of the world that hates their living guts? The Torah tells them it's God's promised land of milk and honey ... great guys, you bought the single, greatest lie in the history of mankind and you WONDER why you keep getting your asses kicked all over the world. Give up on Israel, find a nice peaceful area of unsettled land (like the Alaskan interior) and make it your own world of milk and honey ... what is your need to keep being blown up across time because of a sandy piece of Mediterranean?

MmmmBacon:Chuck Ruffcorn: MmmmBacon: seadoo2006: Give the Palestinians a nuke, make the fight fair and watch the show.

/Popcorn ...

Israeli special forces would take it from them before it could be used, and now Israel has another bomb to add to the collection. And there would be a lot more dead Palestinians.

MAD will not work in a situation this chaotic.

Isn't that what's going on though? I'd bet if Israel didn't have to worry about other Arab/Islamic states retaliating they'd already have launched. MAD works both ways; it can keep both sides from doing anything or keep both sides upping the stakes one small step at a time.

1967. Israel fought off multiple invading forces from Arab neighbors on all sides, and frankly kicked their asses in the process. Israel does not need to fear their neighbors, they've already proven that even without a Nuke they can and will stomp any Arab country that threatens them. If Israel was so interested in dropping The Bomb, they would have by now. On Iraq, for example, to destroy their nuclear program. Instead they went conventional in that raid. Why? Because Israel isn't the blood-thirsty, nuke-happy monster you portray it to be.

Chuck Ruffcorn:MmmmBacon: Chuck Ruffcorn: MmmmBacon: seadoo2006: Give the Palestinians a nuke, make the fight fair and watch the show.

/Popcorn ...

Israeli special forces would take it from them before it could be used, and now Israel has another bomb to add to the collection. And there would be a lot more dead Palestinians.

MAD will not work in a situation this chaotic.

Isn't that what's going on though? I'd bet if Israel didn't have to worry about other Arab/Islamic states retaliating they'd already have launched. MAD works both ways; it can keep both sides from doing anything or keep both sides upping the stakes one small step at a time.

1967. Israel fought off multiple invading forces from Arab neighbors on all sides, and frankly kicked their asses in the process. Israel does not need to fear their neighbors, they've already proven that even without a Nuke they can and will stomp any Arab country that threatens them. If Israel was so interested in dropping The Bomb, they would have by now. On Iraq, for example, to destroy their nuclear program. Instead they went conventional in that raid. Why? Because Israel isn't the blood-thirsty, nuke-happy monster you portray it to be.

Really? I portrayed Isreal as a blood thirsty, nuke-happy monster?

You ever wonder why people ignore you?

Did he attribute the wrong quote to you?

Because saying if it weren't for other arab states they would use nukes is spot on for describing a blood thirsty nuke happy monster.

Chuck Ruffcorn:MmmmBacon: Chuck Ruffcorn: MmmmBacon: seadoo2006: Give the Palestinians a nuke, make the fight fair and watch the show.

/Popcorn ...

Israeli special forces would take it from them before it could be used, and now Israel has another bomb to add to the collection. And there would be a lot more dead Palestinians.

MAD will not work in a situation this chaotic.

Isn't that what's going on though? I'd bet if Israel didn't have to worry about other Arab/Islamic states retaliating they'd already have launched. MAD works both ways; it can keep both sides from doing anything or keep both sides upping the stakes one small step at a time.

1967. Israel fought off multiple invading forces from Arab neighbors on all sides, and frankly kicked their asses in the process. Israel does not need to fear their neighbors, they've already proven that even without a Nuke they can and will stomp any Arab country that threatens them. If Israel was so interested in dropping The Bomb, they would have by now. On Iraq, for example, to destroy their nuclear program. Instead they went conventional in that raid. Why? Because Israel isn't the blood-thirsty, nuke-happy monster you portray it to be.

Really? I portrayed Isreal as a blood thirsty, nuke-happy monster?

You ever wonder why people ignore you?

Allow me to point out a quote for you: I'd bet if Israel didn't have to worry about other Arab/Islamic states retaliating they'd already have launched. You said that, did you not? Pretty sure you did. Yup. You specifically stated that Israel would have used their nukes by now, if it were not for fear of retaliation from Arab states. That, my friend, would be the definition of a blood-thirsty, nuke-happy monster.

So yes, you most certainly did portray Israel as such. Live by your words, I'm happy to do so, and so can you. Or you can ignore me, your choice. I really don't give a flip what you do in that regard.

Right, like blaming a woman who has been raped 200 times. It happens all the time, right?

Wow, you are really standing behind blaming the Holocaust on the Jews.

I got to say I find that kind of open antisemitism refreshing.

Most of the Jew haters around here don't have the balls to admit what they really think.

I don't blame the "Jews" for the Holocaust or the other 199 pogroms, disporas and general beatdowns. I blame the minority that has always existed within Judaism, that small group that perverts the Law into an excuse to do evil. And they always hide within the ranks of ordinary Jews, so everybody gets blamed and smashed when it comes down.

What's your theory on WHY this has happened to this one people hundreds and hundreds of times. Sheer coincidence?

History speaks for itself. You can scream anti-semite all you like, but the common denominator in that list is not "Nazi" or "Cossack" or "Roman" or "Spaniard" or "Frenchman".

Right, like blaming a woman who has been raped 200 times. It happens all the time, right?

Wow, you are really standing behind blaming the Holocaust on the Jews.

I got to say I find that kind of open antisemitism refreshing.

Most of the Jew haters around here don't have the balls to admit what they really think.

I don't blame the "Jews" for the Holocaust or the other 199 pogroms, disporas and general beatdowns. I blame the minority that has always existed within Judaism, that small group that perverts the Law into an excuse to do evil. And they always hide within the ranks of ordinary Jews, so everybody gets blamed and smashed when it comes down.

What's your theory on WHY this has happened to this one people hundreds and hundreds of times. Sheer coincidence?

History speaks for itself. You can scream anti-semite all you like, but the common denominator in that list is not "Nazi" or "Cossack" or "Roman" or "Spaniard" or "Frenchman".

Is there any proof that Zionists even really exist? i thought they were a myth, created to justify hatred of Jews in general.

Insatiable Jesus:History speaks for itself. You can scream anti-semite all you like, but the common denominator in that list is not "Nazi" or "Cossack" or "Roman" or "Spaniard" or "Frenchman".

I have to say I laughed, because it's true. It truly makes you wonder what they keep doing to piss off the rest of the world. Oh yeah, open your eyes, they're doing it right now. Fighting fire with fire is a losing strategy, especially if you're already the "most hated" ethic group in the world.

Simmer down, be cool, smoke a doobie, and invite Hamas over for shabbat. I'm sure if you actually listened to what the other wants and ignore the rabble rousing, you might come up with a solution.

But, who am I kidding, keep hurling those rockets and bombs at each other. Your world sympathy bank since WW2 is drying up fast with, as it seems, only the US backing your silly little war anymore.

Tatsuma:MmmmBacon: Tatsuma: Israeli and Egyptian sources: Ceasefire to be announced at 8

Well, that would be a good thing, assuming it holds.

No this is the worst thing, because it only means that we will be back at this within 4 years, most likely 2 and possibly months

Indeed, but if Bibi agreed to it, there has to be a good reason, no? I don't see him backing down on Washington's or Cairo's request, at this point, without a damn good reason behind it. I'd be interested to see the terms of this cease-fire.

Right, like blaming a woman who has been raped 200 times. It happens all the time, right?

Wow, you are really standing behind blaming the Holocaust on the Jews.

I got to say I find that kind of open antisemitism refreshing.

Most of the Jew haters around here don't have the balls to admit what they really think.

I don't blame the "Jews" for the Holocaust or the other 199 pogroms, disporas and general beatdowns. I blame the minority that has always existed within Judaism, that small group that perverts the Law into an excuse to do evil. And they always hide within the ranks of ordinary Jews, so everybody gets blamed and smashed when it comes down.

What's your theory on WHY this has happened to this one people hundreds and hundreds of times. Sheer coincidence?

History speaks for itself. You can scream anti-semite all you like, but the common denominator in that list is not "Nazi" or "Cossack" or "Roman" or "Spaniard" or "Frenchman".

You don't hate Jews or blame them but you think there is something special about them that allows/causes a small minority to always do evil and they caused the Holocaust?

Not seeing an appreciable difference adolf.

As far as why they are persecuted? Aside from being a minority (which almost always causes problems in tough times). Throughout Christian areas there is the whole usery claims. For muslim areas you should see how Islam treats other religious minorities.

Or there is your theory. It is their fault (for allowing/causing a small minority of evil doers to make them look worse than any other group).

Right, like blaming a woman who has been raped 200 times. It happens all the time, right?

Wow, you are really standing behind blaming the Holocaust on the Jews.

I got to say I find that kind of open antisemitism refreshing.

Most of the Jew haters around here don't have the balls to admit what they really think.

I don't blame the "Jews" for the Holocaust or the other 199 pogroms, disporas and general beatdowns. I blame the minority that has always existed within Judaism, that small group that perverts the Law into an excuse to do evil. And they always hide within the ranks of ordinary Jews, so everybody gets blamed and smashed when it comes down.

What's your theory on WHY this has happened to this one people hundreds and hundreds of times. Sheer coincidence?

History speaks for itself. You can scream anti-semite all you like, but the common denominator in that list is not "Nazi" or "Cossack" or "Roman" or "Spaniard" or "Frenchman".

Is there any proof that Zionists even really exist? i thought they were a myth, created to justify hatred of Jews in general.

Seriously, I'd like to know.

Zioniss exist, just not the shadowy group of super powerful puppet masters that fark's nazi brigade like to derd about.