thats an awesome one..... so you are accepting the fact that the universe is a bit of a cosmic community,, with "intent" or purpose of
life/intelligent life.... interaction, growth ( physically, mentally, spiritually, any way, everyway) relationships,,,, you think that beings having
individual selves is the best thing that can happen, and for these beings to live on planets together, and figure things out,, suffer together or
alone, achieve greatness together or alone etc.

how would you know you were you..... how would you know.... if you were not a consolidated "something" able to process these concepts? or you do not
wish to be anything? its interesting that in order to have that wish you first would have to know what it is to be something.....

something like an immortal Emperor of a galactic civilization, to create a just and peaceful utopia where people can travel the stars for free and
live the fullest lives imaginable. I would manage ways for people to eat the finest delicacies, drink the purest water, everything environmentally
friendly, cohabitation with animals and nature etc...

The point of this thread, and what im asking you guys...... is if nothing existed..... only your awareness.... nothing has ever happened or been
made....... and you are able to create whatever you want,,, and you are able to become whatever you want.... what would you create.... and what would
you become?

I would want to be immortal, forever the age I am now, and massively powerful politically. Then I could stay around for thousands of years, fighting
the PTB and improving the treatment of humanity. No more food for oil. It would be food for the people who are hungry. No more billionaires living in
mansions that cost 10 million, while a child on the other side of the world hunts through a garbage dump for rotten food, cause that's all there is
to eat. I would spend the rest of eternity making sure the type of scum who run the world now, would never have the chance to do so again.

Originally posted by yourmaker
something like an immortal Emperor of a galactic civilization, to create a just and peaceful utopia where people can travel the stars for free and
live the fullest lives imaginable. I would manage ways for people to eat the finest delicacies, drink the purest water, everything environmentally
friendly, cohabitation with animals and nature etc...

cool!! in the model of the current universe all that willed movement takes energy,,, its is why our society is ran the way it is,, using our energy to
gain goods to replenish our energy and this multiplied by the number of people in the society doing this same "working" many jobs and goods and
available,, and we have culture and technological progression....... how would you care for the complete needs of ever person and every animal?
somehow grant every wish they desiree "magically"?

Yes, that,s it more or less, for better or worse. But as I said, maybe with the possibility of going back to " rectify " what might be
mistakes...I.e. if you had had the power to enable Neanderthal man to begin the journey to become what we are today, might you think " Damn ! I
misjudged that one, I need to do something about it... " ( ? )

Originally posted by DAVID64
I would want to be immortal, forever the age I am now, and massively powerful politically. Then I could stay around for thousands of years, fighting
the PTB and improving the treatment of humanity. No more food for oil. It would be food for the people who are hungry. No more billionaires living in
mansions that cost 10 million, while a child on the other side of the world hunts through a garbage dump for rotten food, cause that's all there is
to eat. I would spend the rest of eternity making sure the type of scum who run the world now, would never have the chance to do so again.

cool! forever is a mighty long time... you are convinced what you are is a prime thing to be,, one of the best if you would be satisfied being in
your form committed to this world forever.... I commend you for your righteous aspirations.... so you would get society together and everyone would be
taken care of... and the purpose of your planet and duty would be making sure every person is able to eat and be healthy? would there be any long term
goals or desired achievements for technological/scientific advancement?

Yes, that,s it more or less, for better or worse. But as I said, maybe with the possibility of going back to " rectify " what might be
mistakes...I.e. if you had had the power to enable Neanderthal man to begin the journey to become what we are today, might you think " Damn ! I
misjudged that one, I need to do something about it... " ( ? )

so is it something about the technical capabilities of modern man that objectively sets him apart from other animal? sort of like other animals are
stone wheels and wooden carts, and modern man is an ipad in a ferrari.... the wiring of man, his self driven passion and longing for perfection, and
progression, is something rare and special in and of itself......... thats pretty much what its about and what i think your saying, man is a greatly
different "model" Neanderthal if able to become sentient and intelligent would never be able to be as elegant and intelligent and sophisticated and
novel and creative as mankind? same with cats.... because of the wiring of their brains, and their physical body, even if they did become
intelligent they would still be crawling on all fours, and it would be hard to build a rocket with paws?

questions
1st= i would be human
2nd= i would be flesh and bone
3rd= i would be born and live in england
4th= nothing is imposible.........ish!
5th= to procreate and advance for the better of the species.

Originally posted by yourmaker
something like an immortal Emperor of a galactic civilization, to create a just and peaceful utopia where people can travel the stars for free and
live the fullest lives imaginable. I would manage ways for people to eat the finest delicacies, drink the purest water, everything environmentally
friendly, cohabitation with animals and nature etc...

cool!! in the model of the current universe all that willed movement takes energy,,, its is why our society is ran the way it is,, using our energy to
gain goods to replenish our energy and this multiplied by the number of people in the society doing this same "working" many jobs and goods and
available,, and we have culture and technological progression....... how would you care for the complete needs of ever person and every animal?
somehow grant every wish they desiree "magically"?

if the social environment changed, and people were brought up with a sense of morals mixed with a love for science, a self-creating system of happy
geniuses on a mass scale would want to produce the essentials for their fellow humans and would find the way to bring everyone, everything they need.

our society has told us to get everything we don't need, and to spend, and consume more then produce.
change the environment that people are raised in and they will seek out these changes for all themselves.

the crackhead, at some point could have been an astronaut, eliminate the social validation within that environment he foudn himself in and you change
the future.

Yes..I think so, perhaps we have evolved too quickly, trying to run before we can walk properly, in that we,re using our technological advances mostly
for the wrong reasons. However, I suspect we,re not going much further, technologically, before we destroy ourselves, one way or another, a sort of "
Built in " fail safe to prevent civilisations like ours leaving this planet and possibly tainting other civilisations around the cosmos with our dark
primitive, side...?

Why would you choose to be human? if you had infinite time,,, and lets say you lived a mortal life of a human,,, after each mortal life would you
choose to be a human again? what im trying to ask is do you think there can be anything greater then a human,,,, what would/could be better then being
human? what would it be made of, how would it interact with its environment? what would be its purpose?

how surprising is it that this dumb universe created the best possible things to be, a human,, and all of us are one of them,,, and we cant think of
anything greater to be or do?

Yes..I think so, perhaps we have evolved too quickly, trying to run before we can walk properly, in that we,re using our technological advances mostly
for the wrong reasons. However, I suspect we,re not going much further, technologically, before we destroy ourselves, one way or another, a sort of "
Built in " fail safe to prevent civilisations like ours leaving this planet and possibly tainting other civilisations around the cosmos with our dark
primitive, side...?

but isnt it a sort of ashamed and bashful feeling to think you are not the greatest, you do not know a lot, you are not capable of doing something,,,
and is it not these feelings which propel us forward into that run... if we stopped for a moment and were satisfied with our selves we would be little
more then silly monkeys,,, but if we diligently and with haste evolve and learn, and attempt to advance and progress, we can view ourselves as
something worthy, we can have pride, and satisfaction, we can have hope that we now are creating a better future for our collective offspring,... this
isnt necessarily how i think,, but i think this is how a lot of people think in slightly different ways and slightly subconsciously,, because the
world has missed the point of being able to stop and communicate and solve problems, and ask questions, and trust each other, and work
together,,....

i dont think our species will destroy itself,,, i dont think you should think this either,,, it is a nice cautious thought if you are really scared
they will,, perhaps you are willing to warn everyone and make sure they dont,,,, but if you are not going to do that,,, i think you may hope or wish
they destroy themselves, to rub their unwarranted smugness in their ruined faces,,, theres a part of you that hopes the world doesnt go on, because
eventually it will be going on without you,,, i think this is a side effect of being mortal.... i could be totally wrong,, but there is no benefit of
believing the species is going to destroy itself, except making yourself look haughty and superior in that you know this and you look down upon the
entire species,,,, there is technology,,, there are underground bases,,,, 6.9 billion people can die and the species will not have destroyed
itself,,,,, as fragile as life can be it can also be resilient,,, if the species does get completely wiped out maybe in a few billion years itll be
back, no worries....... we should analyze the now though,, and prevent bad from happening and promote good..... hope i dont offend you but just
spewing my analysis.

No offence taken. And I,m not worried for the future of mankind, what will be, will be. BUT I don,t think our technological advances will get the
better of our essentially primitive, self destructive nature ?

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