Maryland Parents who Let Kids Walk to Park Still Under Investigation

CPS won't let parents be.

Danielle and Alexander Meitiv—the Maryland parents who let their kids, 6 and 10, walk home from the park and were threatened by both the cops and CPS—had their follow-up meeting with the authorities yesterday.

The Meitivs described the tone of the 15-minute exchange as cordial and said they remained hopeful that the case — which has sparked intense debate about parenting, child safety and government intrusion — would soon be closed.

But they said that CPS officials emphasized that they use the state's laws governing unattended children in buildings and vehicles as a guide in neglect cases such as theirs, involving a walk outdoors.

(a) A person who is charged with the care of a child under the age of 8 years may not allow the child to be locked or confined in a dwelling, building, enclosure, or motor vehicle while the person charged is absent and the dwelling, building, enclosure, or motor vehicle is out of the sight of the person charged unless the person charged provides a reliable person at least 13 years old to remain with the child to protect the child.

How can a law that prohibits locking or confining a child in an enclosed place possibly be applied to children walking outside in their own neighborhood? No, really—how? It's like saying that since shoplifting is against the law, you can be arrested for not shoplifting, too.

The great thing about this case is how it has motivated people to express outrage against government intrusion into loving, rational parenting. Stay tuned—or make suggestions—as we together try to figure out how to turn this outrage into something productive for the free-range movement.

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I’m thinking the attitude goes something like this: the world is government’s enclosure for us and we are all confined within it therefore we need the equivalent of a 13-year-old to monitor us, aka the government.

On the radio today was a story of CPS workers forcing kids back into dahgerous situations in foster homes where they were killed bu abuse all the while the parents were fighting to get them back. Another story where a CPS agent forced a kid to stay with it’s mother whom the CPS agent knre the kid was often kept locked in a closet with no bathroom and died from starvation while the father was fighting for custody in the courts.

These weren’t the ony examples of horrible abuse and the radio station was PBS government funded.

My turning point was when I read Jesse Walker’s book on the history of radio and how radio survived and prospered all the way to 1934 without government help and without frequency wars, and government only got involved then because a bunch of corporate cronies got their congress critters to regulate things for them. Up til then, I always figured that even if government bungled most things, there must be some things they were useful for.

I no longer believe that. My default position now is that whatever government touches, it screws up. I simply have zero faith left in government’s ability to do anything right.

The great pyramids of Egypt were built by the ancient Egyptian government, and they’ve been standing for nearly 5000 years. The egyptologist Barry Kemp makes a persuasive argument that they were not built primarily as tombs, but as a way to strengthen a burgeoning bureaucracy and create a national system of conscripted labor. You didn’t build that.

Your definition of “right” is not the same as the government’s. There’s your problem.

Get the CPS people to define a walk to the park as confined to a dwelling in court. Take next walk to the park armed to the teeth and when questioned point to the CPS ruling and the law that individuals may posses arms when in a dwelling. When walks to the park are ruled to not be in a dwelling sue CPS for civil rights violation.

“Maryland Parents who Let Kids Walk to Park Still Under Investigation” I’m sure they will be under investigation until their children turn 17. Once you get on the states radar, you pretty much stay there. CPS has to justify their staffing levels somehow.

(a) A person who is charged with the care of a child under the age of 8 years may not allow the child to be locked or confined in a dwelling, building, enclosure, or motor vehicle while the person charged is absent and the dwelling, building, enclosure, or motor vehicle is out of the sight of the person charged unless the person charged provides a reliable person at least 13 years old to remain with the child to protect the child.

So are public schools illegal in MD, or is the assumption that any teacher counts as a “reliable person at least 13 years old”? Have these fucktards met very many public school teachers?

Also, if a teacher does something negligent that causes a child to be harmed, or turns out to be a kiddie diddller or something, doesn’t that mean that according to the letter of this law the parent could be charged with neglect for leaving the child with an unreliable person?

Also, if a teacher does something negligent that causes a child to be harmed, or turns out to be a kiddie diddller or something, doesn’t that mean that according to the letter of this law the parent could be charged with neglect for leaving the child with an unreliable person?

Yep. Not only that, but the teacher’s union makes sure that the teacher keeps their job.

The CPS workers I’ve met would much rather go to nice neighborhoods to investigate peaceful, caring, educated, and rational parents than go into chaotic and dysfunctional homes, plagued by addiction and poverty in a violent neighborhood where the children actually are endangered or neglected.

One thing I don’t understand with this situation, and the other ridiculous cases like it: The American Red Cross provides certification for baby sitters to care for infants starting at 11 years old. How is it that society has evolved to to believe a 10 year old can’t walk their sibling home from a park, when for YEARS 11 year olds have been able to babysit? Mine did it… I didn’t question her babysitting at that age, the parents who hired her didn’t question it, nor did local government. What has happened to society??????

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“Hey, let’s go after these suburban, middle class white people and cow them into submission with our arbitrary and imaginative legal interpretations. They won’t try to attack or shoot us like the poor trash we normally target do.”

Seems like CPS is suffering from the same condition as people I debated the George Zimmerman court case with – that the law is not the same thing as their personal interpretation.

People would tell me that GZ wasn’t defending himself because self defense is whatever they defined it to be, and I had to say that self defense was whatever Florida law said it was, and in court they don’t give a shit about your personal opinion.

The CPS people may not like kids walking outside unattended, but that is NOT the same thing as being locked or confined (otherwise unable or not allowed to exit) a closed space or building. If there’s no law governing activity they don’t approve of, they either have to shut up or petition to have the law changed.