Farage is racist, says MP Lammy

Nigel Farage is a racist, Labour MP David Lammy claimed today in a departure from remarks made by his party leader Ed Miliband.

Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper has also referred to Mr Farage's comments as racist, while senior MP Dianne Abbott has said she is "glad everybody has stopped pussyfooting around".

Mr Miliband condemned the racial slur as "completely out of order" but said politics was "disagreeable enough without political leaders saying about other political leaders 'they are a racist'".

Prime Minister David Cameron has also stopped short of saying the Ukip leader was racist, despite describing his remarks as "pretty unpleasant".

Mr Farage has faced a storm of criticism following an interview on LBC radio last week where he suggested there was a difference between how people should feel if Romanian or German people moved in next door.

Ukip took out a full page advert in the Daily Telegraph, forming an open letter to the British public insisting it was not a racist party.

He said: "I am from a background where my parents arrived here as immigrants. I remember a context in which some people said you don't want these people living next to you. That was racist.

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"What Nigel Farage said over the weekend was racist, so I'm clear, he's a racist.

"'He is leader of a national party. He should not be slurring whole communities of Romanians who come to this country and describing them as somehow bandits, criminal. It's deeply, deeply nasty.

'We must take that kind of slur extremely seriously, that's the bottom line."

Ms Cooper told ITV: "It's not racist to be worried about immigration or to want stronger controls, but it is racist to somehow stir up fears about Romanians living next door. So Ukip should say they were wrong on that."

Ms Abbott, a former shadow health minister, told the Guardian "his remarks were racist" and she was "glad everybody has stopped pussyfooting around".

In a BBC interview earlier, Mr Cameron said: "I think he has said in recent days some really pretty unpleasant things and he has even himself had to admit he got it wrong.

"I will leave others to judge but what I have heard from some of the candidates, some of the donors to the party is a succession of pretty appalling things.

"I would just say to people look, what we need in Britain is not the politics of anger, we need the politics of the answer - how do we get migration better under control, how do we reform our welfare, how do we get the relationship right with Europe.

"I am offering solutions, I am offering a plan, a plan that is working with our economy, and people should veer away from some of these statements."

Labour leader Ed Miliband described Mr Farage's original comment on Friday as a racial slur that was "completely out of order".

Mr Miliband said he could understand why people supported Ukip because they are not happy with the political system, but he stressed Mr Farage's party do not have the solutions.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I think, though, our politics is sort of disagreeable enough without political leaders saying about other political leaders 'they are a racist'.

"I think it was deeply offensive, I think it was wrong what he said."

In its newspaper advert, Ukip insisted it was not racist but repeated its warning about the risk posed by organised criminal gangs from Romania.

Mr Farage said his comments about people being right to be concerned if a group of Romanian men moved in next door had caused a "predictable storm of protest and accusations of racism".

The Ukip leader initially stood by his remarks, which came during a bruising interview with LBC, but last night he said: "Do you know what, in life sometimes people get things wrong."

He told BBC News: "I regret the fact that I was completely tired out and I didn't use the form of words in response that I would have liked to have used.

"I should have just hit back immediately and said: 'Look, understand there is a real problem here - you can't deny it - too much criminality from these gangs has come to London'."

In an advertisement in The Daily Telegraph taking the form of an open letter from Mr Farage, the Ukip leader said: "Let me be clear - Ukip is not a racist party, and our immigration policy, far from being racist, aims to end discrimination against non-Europeans.

"The vast majority of Romanians who have come to the UK wish to better their lives and would make good neighbours.

"But there is a real problem, an unpalatable truth that our political class would rather not discuss. Since the welcome fall of Communism and the awful dictator Ceausescu, Romania has struggled to complete a full transition into a western democracy."

There was discrimination against the Roma minority and a "huge problem" with the growth of criminal gangs, he said.

Mr Farage claimed European Union free movement rules meant there was "nothing the UK authorities can do to stop such people from entering our country".

He said: "We should not be in a political union with Romania, with an opened door to all of their citizens."

By leaving the EU and "taking back control of our borders" the "necessary checks" could be done on would-be immigrants.

"When this happens my answer to the question 'should people be concerned if a group of Romanian men moved in next door?' will be 'no'."

In a new BBC interview, Mr Farage said he did not say people "should" be concerned about Romanians moving in next door, just that they "would".

He said: "I want to change that so people wouldn't be concerned, and we can do that by getting back proper border controls.

"There are lots of Romanians who want to come to Britain and work and do good things for the country."

Mr Farage said it would not be acceptable for people to express concerns about Jamaicans, Nigerians or Irish people moving next door.

He said: "Can we just have an honest appraisal of what has happened to post-communist Romania?"

The latest poll on Thursday's European elections showed Ukip's lead almost halving since the end of last month from 11 points to six.

Among those certain to vote, ComRes found it had 33% of voters - down five points - to Labour's 27%, the Conservatives' 20% and the Liberal Democrats' 7%.

The survey, for ITV News, also found Mr Farage was the party leader most likely to be considered "weird" - 31% choosing him over Ed Miliband (23%) or David Cameron (7%).

And he lagged well behind on trust - only 10% picking him as the most trustworthy, compared with 17% for each of the main party leaders.

ComRes interviewed 2,061 adults online between May 16 and 18.

Ms Abbott told Channel 4 News that Mr Farage was using a "very chilling and classically-racist line" but said questions about whether Mr Farage was himself a racist were "something of a red herring".

"There is no question that his comments about not wanting Romanians living next door are racist," she said, d rawing parallels with attitudes that saw her father unable to rent a house in an affluent area of London in the 1970s.

"The issue is not whether he personally is a racist. The issue is whether the remarks were racist and whether he is running a party that doesn't scruple to use racism and xenophobia to attract voters."

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Parties did not want to "call it out" as racism for fear of not being able to attract back voters who were backing Ukip on Thursday, she suggested.

Britain is "less racist than it has ever been" but economic worries have made people more likely to be seeking immigrant scapegoats.

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Tell me if his not right. The only leader to tell the truth. With LIBLABCON they will be your neigbours both sides of your house. ROLL ON MAY 22nd. Strange how election day is 1 YEAR after THE DEATH OF ONE OF OUR FINEST IN LONDON.

Tell me if his not right. The only leader to tell the truth. With LIBLABCON they will be your neigbours both sides of your house.
ROLL ON MAY 22nd.
Strange how election day is 1 YEAR after THE DEATH OF ONE OF OUR FINEST IN LONDON.cosmick

Tell me if his not right. The only leader to tell the truth. With LIBLABCON they will be your neigbours both sides of your house. ROLL ON MAY 22nd. Strange how election day is 1 YEAR after THE DEATH OF ONE OF OUR FINEST IN LONDON.

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mimseycal says...2:06am Mon 19 May 14

You mean aside from the fact that you have little or no control over who moves in next door ... which is not something that Farage will be able to change no matter how many votes he gets? What is wrong is when you determine a persons' worth by their nationality rather then their personality which is exactly what his statement, the one he now regrets expressing, does.

You mean aside from the fact that you have little or no control over who moves in next door ... which is not something that Farage will be able to change no matter how many votes he gets?
What is wrong is when you determine a persons' worth by their nationality rather then their personality which is exactly what his statement, the one he now regrets expressing, does.mimseycal

You mean aside from the fact that you have little or no control over who moves in next door ... which is not something that Farage will be able to change no matter how many votes he gets? What is wrong is when you determine a persons' worth by their nationality rather then their personality which is exactly what his statement, the one he now regrets expressing, does.

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Crossbenchtory says...8:01am Mon 19 May 14

I absolutely agree with Mr Farage, if a group of Romanian men moved in next door to me I would be concerned. Just remember, he qualified it by saying, if however a Romanian family, Mum, Dad and a couple of children, moved in next door he would not be concerned. It is a perfectly fair and rational viewpoint to hold and one that his held by, I would suggest, the majority of people in Britain. Further to this, being that it was the journalist, rather than Mr Farage, who stipulated "Romanians" I would suggest that this was in no way a racist answer to the question asked. Immigration, whilst symptomatic of what is wrong with Britain's membership of the EU, is not the issue. What is at issue here is simply British sovereignty. The entire rationale of the EU is to create a United States of Europe, governed by an appointed commission in Brussels. The evidence for this, for those not aware of it, is contained in the Treaty of Rome which states as an aim of the EU, inter alia, "... ever closer political union ...". The reason LibLabConPlaid in Wales are so determined that we must stay in the EU is that, simply put, they are so economically illiterate that they do not, or will not, understand that EU money does not exist, it is taxpayers money that has be taken by Brussels, had a thumping great handling fee creamed off it, and then returned to the domestic politicians with a stipulation as to what we can spend it on. Basically, the EU is a great big money laundering scheme for money acquired through, frankly, criminally high tax rates. Yes Wales is a nett beneficiary of this scheme however the UK, which is our country to who's govt we pay our taxes, is a nett contributor. Wales is also a nett beneficiary within the UK due, largely, to the fact that we are essentially a one party, socialist, banana state.

I absolutely agree with Mr Farage, if a group of Romanian men moved in next door to me I would be concerned.
Just remember, he qualified it by saying, if however a Romanian family, Mum, Dad and a couple of children, moved in next door he would not be concerned.
It is a perfectly fair and rational viewpoint to hold and one that his held by, I would suggest, the majority of people in Britain. Further to this, being that it was the journalist, rather than Mr Farage, who stipulated "Romanians" I would suggest that this was in no way a racist answer to the question asked.
Immigration, whilst symptomatic of what is wrong with Britain's membership of the EU, is not the issue. What is at issue here is simply British sovereignty. The entire rationale of the EU is to create a United States of Europe, governed by an appointed commission in Brussels. The evidence for this, for those not aware of it, is contained in the Treaty of Rome which states as an aim of the EU, inter alia, "... ever closer political union ...".
The reason LibLabConPlaid in Wales are so determined that we must stay in the EU is that, simply put, they are so economically illiterate that they do not, or will not, understand that EU money does not exist, it is taxpayers money that has be taken by Brussels, had a thumping great handling fee creamed off it, and then returned to the domestic politicians with a stipulation as to what we can spend it on.
Basically, the EU is a great big money laundering scheme for money acquired through, frankly, criminally high tax rates.
Yes Wales is a nett beneficiary of this scheme however the UK, which is our country to who's govt we pay our taxes, is a nett contributor. Wales is also a nett beneficiary within the UK due, largely, to the fact that we are essentially a one party, socialist, banana state.Crossbenchtory

I absolutely agree with Mr Farage, if a group of Romanian men moved in next door to me I would be concerned. Just remember, he qualified it by saying, if however a Romanian family, Mum, Dad and a couple of children, moved in next door he would not be concerned. It is a perfectly fair and rational viewpoint to hold and one that his held by, I would suggest, the majority of people in Britain. Further to this, being that it was the journalist, rather than Mr Farage, who stipulated "Romanians" I would suggest that this was in no way a racist answer to the question asked. Immigration, whilst symptomatic of what is wrong with Britain's membership of the EU, is not the issue. What is at issue here is simply British sovereignty. The entire rationale of the EU is to create a United States of Europe, governed by an appointed commission in Brussels. The evidence for this, for those not aware of it, is contained in the Treaty of Rome which states as an aim of the EU, inter alia, "... ever closer political union ...". The reason LibLabConPlaid in Wales are so determined that we must stay in the EU is that, simply put, they are so economically illiterate that they do not, or will not, understand that EU money does not exist, it is taxpayers money that has be taken by Brussels, had a thumping great handling fee creamed off it, and then returned to the domestic politicians with a stipulation as to what we can spend it on. Basically, the EU is a great big money laundering scheme for money acquired through, frankly, criminally high tax rates. Yes Wales is a nett beneficiary of this scheme however the UK, which is our country to who's govt we pay our taxes, is a nett contributor. Wales is also a nett beneficiary within the UK due, largely, to the fact that we are essentially a one party, socialist, banana state.

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mimseycal says...9:01am Mon 19 May 14

Crossbenchtory wrote…

I absolutely agree with Mr Farage, if a group of Romanian men moved in next door to me I would be concerned. Just remember, he qualified it by saying, if however a Romanian family, Mum, Dad and a couple of children, moved in next door he would not be concerned. It is a perfectly fair and rational viewpoint to hold and one that his held by, I would suggest, the majority of people in Britain. Further to this, being that it was the journalist, rather than Mr Farage, who stipulated "Romanians" I would suggest that this was in no way a racist answer to the question asked. Immigration, whilst symptomatic of what is wrong with Britain's membership of the EU, is not the issue. What is at issue here is simply British sovereignty. The entire rationale of the EU is to create a United States of Europe, governed by an appointed commission in Brussels. The evidence for this, for those not aware of it, is contained in the Treaty of Rome which states as an aim of the EU, inter alia, "... ever closer political union ...". The reason LibLabConPlaid in Wales are so determined that we must stay in the EU is that, simply put, they are so economically illiterate that they do not, or will not, understand that EU money does not exist, it is taxpayers money that has be taken by Brussels, had a thumping great handling fee creamed off it, and then returned to the domestic politicians with a stipulation as to what we can spend it on. Basically, the EU is a great big money laundering scheme for money acquired through, frankly, criminally high tax rates. Yes Wales is a nett beneficiary of this scheme however the UK, which is our country to who's govt we pay our taxes, is a nett contributor. Wales is also a nett beneficiary within the UK due, largely, to the fact that we are essentially a one party, socialist, banana state.

Shame if this was all so rational that Farage himself apologised for his Rumanian remark ... And you had it all figured out so reasonably as well.

[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote:
I absolutely agree with Mr Farage, if a group of Romanian men moved in next door to me I would be concerned.
Just remember, he qualified it by saying, if however a Romanian family, Mum, Dad and a couple of children, moved in next door he would not be concerned.
It is a perfectly fair and rational viewpoint to hold and one that his held by, I would suggest, the majority of people in Britain. Further to this, being that it was the journalist, rather than Mr Farage, who stipulated "Romanians" I would suggest that this was in no way a racist answer to the question asked.
Immigration, whilst symptomatic of what is wrong with Britain's membership of the EU, is not the issue. What is at issue here is simply British sovereignty. The entire rationale of the EU is to create a United States of Europe, governed by an appointed commission in Brussels. The evidence for this, for those not aware of it, is contained in the Treaty of Rome which states as an aim of the EU, inter alia, "... ever closer political union ...".
The reason LibLabConPlaid in Wales are so determined that we must stay in the EU is that, simply put, they are so economically illiterate that they do not, or will not, understand that EU money does not exist, it is taxpayers money that has be taken by Brussels, had a thumping great handling fee creamed off it, and then returned to the domestic politicians with a stipulation as to what we can spend it on.
Basically, the EU is a great big money laundering scheme for money acquired through, frankly, criminally high tax rates.
Yes Wales is a nett beneficiary of this scheme however the UK, which is our country to who's govt we pay our taxes, is a nett contributor. Wales is also a nett beneficiary within the UK due, largely, to the fact that we are essentially a one party, socialist, banana state.[/p][/quote]Shame if this was all so rational that Farage himself apologised for his Rumanian remark ... And you had it all figured out so reasonably as well.mimseycal

Crossbenchtory wrote…

I absolutely agree with Mr Farage, if a group of Romanian men moved in next door to me I would be concerned. Just remember, he qualified it by saying, if however a Romanian family, Mum, Dad and a couple of children, moved in next door he would not be concerned. It is a perfectly fair and rational viewpoint to hold and one that his held by, I would suggest, the majority of people in Britain. Further to this, being that it was the journalist, rather than Mr Farage, who stipulated "Romanians" I would suggest that this was in no way a racist answer to the question asked. Immigration, whilst symptomatic of what is wrong with Britain's membership of the EU, is not the issue. What is at issue here is simply British sovereignty. The entire rationale of the EU is to create a United States of Europe, governed by an appointed commission in Brussels. The evidence for this, for those not aware of it, is contained in the Treaty of Rome which states as an aim of the EU, inter alia, "... ever closer political union ...". The reason LibLabConPlaid in Wales are so determined that we must stay in the EU is that, simply put, they are so economically illiterate that they do not, or will not, understand that EU money does not exist, it is taxpayers money that has be taken by Brussels, had a thumping great handling fee creamed off it, and then returned to the domestic politicians with a stipulation as to what we can spend it on. Basically, the EU is a great big money laundering scheme for money acquired through, frankly, criminally high tax rates. Yes Wales is a nett beneficiary of this scheme however the UK, which is our country to who's govt we pay our taxes, is a nett contributor. Wales is also a nett beneficiary within the UK due, largely, to the fact that we are essentially a one party, socialist, banana state.

Shame if this was all so rational that Farage himself apologised for his Rumanian remark ... And you had it all figured out so reasonably as well.

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Crossbenchtory says...9:52am Mon 19 May 14

Sometimes it is just easier to say that you "regret the form of words used" than to get into a symantic argument about what you actually meant. This, of course, is completely different to apologising for what you are actually expressing, which in my view there is no need for Mr Farage to do as he was merely expressing a view held by, as I suggested in a previous post, the majority of people in Britain. This is, of course, like a breath of fresh air as we have become so used to hearing LibLabConPlaid politicians, who are only able to conceive the world in purely theoretical terms, speaking in politically correct sound bites aimed at the left wing intellectual elite addicts of the 24 hour news cycle. I do not know how UKIP would perform in parliament, or as part of a government, but given the intellectual enertia of LibLabConPlaid I for one am more than willing to give them the opportunity to prove themselves.

Sometimes it is just easier to say that you "regret the form of words used" than to get into a symantic argument about what you actually meant.
This, of course, is completely different to apologising for what you are actually expressing, which in my view there is no need for Mr Farage to do as he was merely expressing a view held by, as I suggested in a previous post, the majority of people in Britain.
This is, of course, like a breath of fresh air as we have become so used to hearing LibLabConPlaid politicians, who are only able to conceive the world in purely theoretical terms, speaking in politically correct sound bites aimed at the left wing intellectual elite addicts of the 24 hour news cycle.
I do not know how UKIP would perform in parliament, or as part of a government, but given the intellectual enertia of LibLabConPlaid I for one am more than willing to give them the opportunity to prove themselves.Crossbenchtory

Sometimes it is just easier to say that you "regret the form of words used" than to get into a symantic argument about what you actually meant. This, of course, is completely different to apologising for what you are actually expressing, which in my view there is no need for Mr Farage to do as he was merely expressing a view held by, as I suggested in a previous post, the majority of people in Britain. This is, of course, like a breath of fresh air as we have become so used to hearing LibLabConPlaid politicians, who are only able to conceive the world in purely theoretical terms, speaking in politically correct sound bites aimed at the left wing intellectual elite addicts of the 24 hour news cycle. I do not know how UKIP would perform in parliament, or as part of a government, but given the intellectual enertia of LibLabConPlaid I for one am more than willing to give them the opportunity to prove themselves.

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mimseycal says...10:16am Mon 19 May 14

What I would like to see are politicians who are willing to address the problems that we face as a society without having to resort to divisive rhetoric to promulgate their politics.

What I would like to see are politicians who are willing to address the problems that we face as a society without having to resort to divisive rhetoric to promulgate their politics.mimseycal

What I would like to see are politicians who are willing to address the problems that we face as a society without having to resort to divisive rhetoric to promulgate their politics.

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Crossbenchtory says...10:21am Mon 19 May 14

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.Crossbenchtory

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

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Mr chock says...11:09am Mon 19 May 14

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

? taking votes ? when where and how are you seeing that ? its May 22 the voting . i know the greens are losing followers that Caroline lucas still going about on her stinky old big red london bus .. please remember a vote is for live VOTE RIGHT voting ukip will make a difference

[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote:
The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.[/p][/quote]? taking votes ? when where and how are you seeing that ? its May 22 the voting . i know the greens are losing followers that Caroline lucas still going about on her stinky old big red london bus ..
please remember a vote is for live VOTE RIGHT voting ukip will make a differenceMr chock

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

? taking votes ? when where and how are you seeing that ? its May 22 the voting . i know the greens are losing followers that Caroline lucas still going about on her stinky old big red london bus .. please remember a vote is for live VOTE RIGHT voting ukip will make a difference

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mimseycal says...11:45am Mon 19 May 14

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.

[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote:
The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.[/p][/quote]Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.mimseycal

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.

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mimseycal says...11:49am Mon 19 May 14

mimseycal wrote…

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.

[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote:
The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.[/p][/quote]Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.[/p][/quote]That should read lets not forget ... Sheesh my typing today is deplorable. Sorry.mimseycal

mimseycal wrote…

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.

Do you actually know what the UKIP immigration policy is? It is a merit based system which looks at an applicants skills and qualifications and if they are ones that the UK needs, and are of benefit to the UK, then the applicants visa will be granted and they will be allowed to enter, and settle in, the UK, irrespective of race, religion, colour or nationality. Now please tell me how this is racist, divisive, xenophobic or any of the other epithets with which UKIP has been labelled.

Do you actually know what the UKIP immigration policy is?
It is a merit based system which looks at an applicants skills and qualifications and if they are ones that the UK needs, and are of benefit to the UK, then the applicants visa will be granted and they will be allowed to enter, and settle in, the UK, irrespective of race, religion, colour or nationality.
Now please tell me how this is racist, divisive, xenophobic or any of the other epithets with which UKIP has been labelled.Crossbenchtory

Do you actually know what the UKIP immigration policy is? It is a merit based system which looks at an applicants skills and qualifications and if they are ones that the UK needs, and are of benefit to the UK, then the applicants visa will be granted and they will be allowed to enter, and settle in, the UK, irrespective of race, religion, colour or nationality. Now please tell me how this is racist, divisive, xenophobic or any of the other epithets with which UKIP has been labelled.

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mimseycal says...12:34pm Mon 19 May 14

Crossbenchtory wrote…

Do you actually know what the UKIP immigration policy is? It is a merit based system which looks at an applicants skills and qualifications and if they are ones that the UK needs, and are of benefit to the UK, then the applicants visa will be granted and they will be allowed to enter, and settle in, the UK, irrespective of race, religion, colour or nationality. Now please tell me how this is racist, divisive, xenophobic or any of the other epithets with which UKIP has been labelled.

I read all manifestos and policy documents. My previous post refers not to a manifesto or the policies but the rhetoric Farage employed and its consequences; apologies notwithstanding.

[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote:
Do you actually know what the UKIP immigration policy is?
It is a merit based system which looks at an applicants skills and qualifications and if they are ones that the UK needs, and are of benefit to the UK, then the applicants visa will be granted and they will be allowed to enter, and settle in, the UK, irrespective of race, religion, colour or nationality.
Now please tell me how this is racist, divisive, xenophobic or any of the other epithets with which UKIP has been labelled.[/p][/quote]I read all manifestos and policy documents. My previous post refers not to a manifesto or the policies but the rhetoric Farage employed and its consequences; apologies notwithstanding.mimseycal

Crossbenchtory wrote…

Do you actually know what the UKIP immigration policy is? It is a merit based system which looks at an applicants skills and qualifications and if they are ones that the UK needs, and are of benefit to the UK, then the applicants visa will be granted and they will be allowed to enter, and settle in, the UK, irrespective of race, religion, colour or nationality. Now please tell me how this is racist, divisive, xenophobic or any of the other epithets with which UKIP has been labelled.

I read all manifestos and policy documents. My previous post refers not to a manifesto or the policies but the rhetoric Farage employed and its consequences; apologies notwithstanding.

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welshmen says...12:44pm Mon 19 May 14

mimseycal wrote…

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.

Where there's no brain there's very little sense, I hope you soon have a Romanian family living a couple of doors away from you, give you an incite into reality not the Liberal Elites dream of the EU Eldarado, they don't come in fours or fives, fifteen to twenty with their friends dropping in all times of the day and night in a two bed rented terraced property a few doors from my house, make as many complaints as you like, nothing gets done, I feel sorry for the people next door to this rabble. With well over 100,000 Romanians in the UK, consider these Met Police figures, 92% of ALL ATM crime in London is committed by Romanians, 28,000 Romanians were arrested in the last five years in London alone, across the European Union as a whole 7% of crime was committed by 240 Romanian Gangs. Enough is enough, the current trend is 4000 EU immigrants arriving here every week as well as Third world immigrants not withstanding large numbers of Asylum seekers, currently being housed at £100.00 a night 4* Hotels, so when do we stop this foreign population BOOM? ...Vote UKIP get us out of the EU when their in UK Government....

[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote:
The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.[/p][/quote]Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.[/p][/quote]Where there's no brain there's very little sense, I hope you soon have a Romanian family living a couple of doors away from you, give you an incite into reality not the Liberal Elites dream of the EU Eldarado, they don't come in fours or fives, fifteen to twenty with their friends dropping in all times of the day and night in a two bed rented terraced property a few doors from my house, make as many complaints as you like, nothing gets done, I feel sorry for the people next door to this rabble.
With well over 100,000 Romanians in the UK, consider these Met Police figures, 92% of ALL ATM crime in London is committed by Romanians, 28,000 Romanians were arrested in the last five years in London alone, across the European Union as a whole 7% of crime was committed by 240 Romanian Gangs.
Enough is enough, the current trend is 4000 EU immigrants arriving here every week as well as Third world immigrants not withstanding large numbers of Asylum seekers, currently being housed at £100.00 a night 4* Hotels, so when do we stop this foreign population BOOM? ...Vote UKIP get us out of the EU when their in UK Government....welshmen

mimseycal wrote…

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.

Where there's no brain there's very little sense, I hope you soon have a Romanian family living a couple of doors away from you, give you an incite into reality not the Liberal Elites dream of the EU Eldarado, they don't come in fours or fives, fifteen to twenty with their friends dropping in all times of the day and night in a two bed rented terraced property a few doors from my house, make as many complaints as you like, nothing gets done, I feel sorry for the people next door to this rabble. With well over 100,000 Romanians in the UK, consider these Met Police figures, 92% of ALL ATM crime in London is committed by Romanians, 28,000 Romanians were arrested in the last five years in London alone, across the European Union as a whole 7% of crime was committed by 240 Romanian Gangs. Enough is enough, the current trend is 4000 EU immigrants arriving here every week as well as Third world immigrants not withstanding large numbers of Asylum seekers, currently being housed at £100.00 a night 4* Hotels, so when do we stop this foreign population BOOM? ...Vote UKIP get us out of the EU when their in UK Government....

Score: 1

mimseycal says...12:51pm Mon 19 May 14

welshmen wrote…

mimseycal wrote…

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.

Where there's no brain there's very little sense, I hope you soon have a Romanian family living a couple of doors away from you, give you an incite into reality not the Liberal Elites dream of the EU Eldarado, they don't come in fours or fives, fifteen to twenty with their friends dropping in all times of the day and night in a two bed rented terraced property a few doors from my house, make as many complaints as you like, nothing gets done, I feel sorry for the people next door to this rabble. With well over 100,000 Romanians in the UK, consider these Met Police figures, 92% of ALL ATM crime in London is committed by Romanians, 28,000 Romanians were arrested in the last five years in London alone, across the European Union as a whole 7% of crime was committed by 240 Romanian Gangs. Enough is enough, the current trend is 4000 EU immigrants arriving here every week as well as Third world immigrants not withstanding large numbers of Asylum seekers, currently being housed at £100.00 a night 4* Hotels, so when do we stop this foreign population BOOM? ...Vote UKIP get us out of the EU when their in UK Government....

Please do not assume that I do not know what it is like to live in a society that welcomes decent people regardless of where they come from. Further, do not assume that just because I do not swoon at the feet of Farage, that I must be a Liberal. Try and address the issues rather then the poster. It would lead to a far more interesting debate.

[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote:
The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.[/p][/quote]Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.[/p][/quote]Where there's no brain there's very little sense, I hope you soon have a Romanian family living a couple of doors away from you, give you an incite into reality not the Liberal Elites dream of the EU Eldarado, they don't come in fours or fives, fifteen to twenty with their friends dropping in all times of the day and night in a two bed rented terraced property a few doors from my house, make as many complaints as you like, nothing gets done, I feel sorry for the people next door to this rabble.
With well over 100,000 Romanians in the UK, consider these Met Police figures, 92% of ALL ATM crime in London is committed by Romanians, 28,000 Romanians were arrested in the last five years in London alone, across the European Union as a whole 7% of crime was committed by 240 Romanian Gangs.
Enough is enough, the current trend is 4000 EU immigrants arriving here every week as well as Third world immigrants not withstanding large numbers of Asylum seekers, currently being housed at £100.00 a night 4* Hotels, so when do we stop this foreign population BOOM? ...Vote UKIP get us out of the EU when their in UK Government....[/p][/quote]Please do not assume that I do not know what it is like to live in a society that welcomes decent people regardless of where they come from. Further, do not assume that just because I do not swoon at the feet of Farage, that I must be a Liberal.
Try and address the issues rather then the poster. It would lead to a far more interesting debate.mimseycal

welshmen wrote…

mimseycal wrote…

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.

Where there's no brain there's very little sense, I hope you soon have a Romanian family living a couple of doors away from you, give you an incite into reality not the Liberal Elites dream of the EU Eldarado, they don't come in fours or fives, fifteen to twenty with their friends dropping in all times of the day and night in a two bed rented terraced property a few doors from my house, make as many complaints as you like, nothing gets done, I feel sorry for the people next door to this rabble. With well over 100,000 Romanians in the UK, consider these Met Police figures, 92% of ALL ATM crime in London is committed by Romanians, 28,000 Romanians were arrested in the last five years in London alone, across the European Union as a whole 7% of crime was committed by 240 Romanian Gangs. Enough is enough, the current trend is 4000 EU immigrants arriving here every week as well as Third world immigrants not withstanding large numbers of Asylum seekers, currently being housed at £100.00 a night 4* Hotels, so when do we stop this foreign population BOOM? ...Vote UKIP get us out of the EU when their in UK Government....

Please do not assume that I do not know what it is like to live in a society that welcomes decent people regardless of where they come from. Further, do not assume that just because I do not swoon at the feet of Farage, that I must be a Liberal. Try and address the issues rather then the poster. It would lead to a far more interesting debate.

Score: -2

cosmick says...2:45pm Mon 19 May 14

welshmen wrote…

mimseycal wrote…

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.

Where there's no brain there's very little sense, I hope you soon have a Romanian family living a couple of doors away from you, give you an incite into reality not the Liberal Elites dream of the EU Eldarado, they don't come in fours or fives, fifteen to twenty with their friends dropping in all times of the day and night in a two bed rented terraced property a few doors from my house, make as many complaints as you like, nothing gets done, I feel sorry for the people next door to this rabble. With well over 100,000 Romanians in the UK, consider these Met Police figures, 92% of ALL ATM crime in London is committed by Romanians, 28,000 Romanians were arrested in the last five years in London alone, across the European Union as a whole 7% of crime was committed by 240 Romanian Gangs. Enough is enough, the current trend is 4000 EU immigrants arriving here every week as well as Third world immigrants not withstanding large numbers of Asylum seekers, currently being housed at £100.00 a night 4* Hotels, so when do we stop this foreign population BOOM? ...Vote UKIP get us out of the EU when their in UK Government....

The truth is we dont want to be in a position we can do nothing about. VOTE UKIP THURSDAY 22nd.

[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote:
The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.[/p][/quote]Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.[/p][/quote]Where there's no brain there's very little sense, I hope you soon have a Romanian family living a couple of doors away from you, give you an incite into reality not the Liberal Elites dream of the EU Eldarado, they don't come in fours or fives, fifteen to twenty with their friends dropping in all times of the day and night in a two bed rented terraced property a few doors from my house, make as many complaints as you like, nothing gets done, I feel sorry for the people next door to this rabble.
With well over 100,000 Romanians in the UK, consider these Met Police figures, 92% of ALL ATM crime in London is committed by Romanians, 28,000 Romanians were arrested in the last five years in London alone, across the European Union as a whole 7% of crime was committed by 240 Romanian Gangs.
Enough is enough, the current trend is 4000 EU immigrants arriving here every week as well as Third world immigrants not withstanding large numbers of Asylum seekers, currently being housed at £100.00 a night 4* Hotels, so when do we stop this foreign population BOOM? ...Vote UKIP get us out of the EU when their in UK Government....[/p][/quote]The truth is we dont want to be in a position we can do nothing about.
VOTE UKIP THURSDAY 22nd.cosmick

welshmen wrote…

mimseycal wrote…

Crossbenchtory wrote…

The rate at which UKIP are taking votes from the established parties would suggest that they are a unifying force in British politics rather than a divisive one.

Unifying? Yes of course ... just like the BNP and lrest not forget the current crop of Conservatives with their preference for the City ... Very unifying in the sense that you have a very clear them and us demarcation. The only difference is that the Conservatives are pro bankers and multi national corporations and Farage just wants to ensure that he gets British born and bred neighbours.

Where there's no brain there's very little sense, I hope you soon have a Romanian family living a couple of doors away from you, give you an incite into reality not the Liberal Elites dream of the EU Eldarado, they don't come in fours or fives, fifteen to twenty with their friends dropping in all times of the day and night in a two bed rented terraced property a few doors from my house, make as many complaints as you like, nothing gets done, I feel sorry for the people next door to this rabble. With well over 100,000 Romanians in the UK, consider these Met Police figures, 92% of ALL ATM crime in London is committed by Romanians, 28,000 Romanians were arrested in the last five years in London alone, across the European Union as a whole 7% of crime was committed by 240 Romanian Gangs. Enough is enough, the current trend is 4000 EU immigrants arriving here every week as well as Third world immigrants not withstanding large numbers of Asylum seekers, currently being housed at £100.00 a night 4* Hotels, so when do we stop this foreign population BOOM? ...Vote UKIP get us out of the EU when their in UK Government....

The truth is we dont want to be in a position we can do nothing about. VOTE UKIP THURSDAY 22nd.

Score: 0

RealLivin says...3:32pm Mon 19 May 14

Crossbenchtory wrote…

Do you actually know what the UKIP immigration policy is? It is a merit based system which looks at an applicants skills and qualifications and if they are ones that the UK needs, and are of benefit to the UK, then the applicants visa will be granted and they will be allowed to enter, and settle in, the UK, irrespective of race, religion, colour or nationality. Now please tell me how this is racist, divisive, xenophobic or any of the other epithets with which UKIP has been labelled.

This is the same system used in the USA, Australia and other major countries so why are people shouting this is racists. Our debt is still out of control, the only ones out of recession are the rich, the working class are still struggling and guess what immigrants the present government allow in, unskilled works who dont actually have jobs to got to so are competing with our own unemployed for the same jobs. Then they will also let in the richest people who then do whatever they can to pay as little tax as possible back into the state. If you are happy with our immigration state then I would suggest you dig into your own pocket and pay for them yourselves as the rest of us are fed up with being forced to look after our own bums on benefits as well as any one else who comes along. We need immigrants, skilled immigrants as after 30 plus years of mismanagement in schools we have very few engineers, sciences, and basic skills on how to make things, we have lots of skilled social and service people but most of these skills are all "inhouse" and do not generate outside income. We need to produce goods to sell over seas, and that is where our skill set is lacking and those and only those immigrant with these skills should be allowed in.

[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote:
Do you actually know what the UKIP immigration policy is?
It is a merit based system which looks at an applicants skills and qualifications and if they are ones that the UK needs, and are of benefit to the UK, then the applicants visa will be granted and they will be allowed to enter, and settle in, the UK, irrespective of race, religion, colour or nationality.
Now please tell me how this is racist, divisive, xenophobic or any of the other epithets with which UKIP has been labelled.[/p][/quote]This is the same system used in the USA, Australia and other major countries so why are people shouting this is racists. Our debt is still out of control, the only ones out of recession are the rich, the working class are still struggling and guess what immigrants the present government allow in, unskilled works who dont actually have jobs to got to so are competing with our own unemployed for the same jobs. Then they will also let in the richest people who then do whatever they can to pay as little tax as possible back into the state. If you are happy with our immigration state then I would suggest you dig into your own pocket and pay for them yourselves as the rest of us are fed up with being forced to look after our own bums on benefits as well as any one else who comes along.
We need immigrants, skilled immigrants as after 30 plus years of mismanagement in schools we have very few engineers, sciences, and basic skills on how to make things, we have lots of skilled social and service people but most of these skills are all "inhouse" and do not generate outside income. We need to produce goods to sell over seas, and that is where our skill set is lacking and those and only those immigrant with these skills should be allowed in.RealLivin

Crossbenchtory wrote…

Do you actually know what the UKIP immigration policy is? It is a merit based system which looks at an applicants skills and qualifications and if they are ones that the UK needs, and are of benefit to the UK, then the applicants visa will be granted and they will be allowed to enter, and settle in, the UK, irrespective of race, religion, colour or nationality. Now please tell me how this is racist, divisive, xenophobic or any of the other epithets with which UKIP has been labelled.

This is the same system used in the USA, Australia and other major countries so why are people shouting this is racists. Our debt is still out of control, the only ones out of recession are the rich, the working class are still struggling and guess what immigrants the present government allow in, unskilled works who dont actually have jobs to got to so are competing with our own unemployed for the same jobs. Then they will also let in the richest people who then do whatever they can to pay as little tax as possible back into the state. If you are happy with our immigration state then I would suggest you dig into your own pocket and pay for them yourselves as the rest of us are fed up with being forced to look after our own bums on benefits as well as any one else who comes along. We need immigrants, skilled immigrants as after 30 plus years of mismanagement in schools we have very few engineers, sciences, and basic skills on how to make things, we have lots of skilled social and service people but most of these skills are all "inhouse" and do not generate outside income. We need to produce goods to sell over seas, and that is where our skill set is lacking and those and only those immigrant with these skills should be allowed in.

Score: -1

welshmen says...6:35pm Mon 19 May 14

Lammy's racist remark..... David Lammy was commenting on a BBC Twitter message, which asked "will smoke be black or white?". Mr Lammy, tweeting from the Commons chamber, said the BBC message was "crass and unnecessary". He later apologised after Twitter users pointed out the role played by black and white smoke in announcing the election of a new Pope. White smoke traditionally emerges from a Vatican chimney to signify a new pontiff has been chosen. The appearance of black smoke above the Sistine Chapel means no decision has been reached... Diane Abbott's racist remark..... "White people love playing 'divide & rule'. We should not play their game.. Neither got the sack.... They are all trying to play the race card to dislodge UKIP from pole position in the European Union race for MEP's....they got nothing else....

Lammy's racist remark.....
David Lammy was commenting on a BBC Twitter message, which asked "will smoke be black or white?".
Mr Lammy, tweeting from the Commons chamber, said the BBC message was "crass and unnecessary".
He later apologised after Twitter users pointed out the role played by black and white smoke in announcing the election of a new Pope.
White smoke traditionally emerges from a Vatican chimney to signify a new pontiff has been chosen.
The appearance of black smoke above the Sistine Chapel means no decision has been reached...
Diane Abbott's racist remark.....
"White people love playing 'divide & rule'. We should not play their game..
Neither got the sack....
They are all trying to play the race card to dislodge UKIP from pole position in the European Union race for MEP's....they got nothing else....welshmen

Lammy's racist remark..... David Lammy was commenting on a BBC Twitter message, which asked "will smoke be black or white?". Mr Lammy, tweeting from the Commons chamber, said the BBC message was "crass and unnecessary". He later apologised after Twitter users pointed out the role played by black and white smoke in announcing the election of a new Pope. White smoke traditionally emerges from a Vatican chimney to signify a new pontiff has been chosen. The appearance of black smoke above the Sistine Chapel means no decision has been reached... Diane Abbott's racist remark..... "White people love playing 'divide & rule'. We should not play their game.. Neither got the sack.... They are all trying to play the race card to dislodge UKIP from pole position in the European Union race for MEP's....they got nothing else....

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