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Nice pics. Say what you guys like, my pink version is the only arcee I'm allowing into my classics collection. Delicate warrior is not bad though, but kind of bare and lacking details imo. I love having movie arcee be my elita 1, prime arcee be chromia, and pe rc as arcee

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craggy wrote:that comparison pic makes the G1 design look very "quaint". I think that Delicate Warrior would fit fine with a G1 collection, but, articulation aside, it just doesn't look very Classics.

Delicate Warrior is just as much, if not more posable than PE Arcee.

I like Motorbot but she does look somewhat out of place next to other Season 3 Classics characters.

I know a lot of people are getting an IDW vibe from the Perfect Effect toy but when you go back and compare images (where Arcee is drawn well and not like a techno-organic monster), Arcee is closer to the iGear rendition.

Both are good and obviously the iGear one has since disappeared but in my opinion, iGear is the better choice for a Classics style shelf.

The PE one for those that are wondering has the following flaws to deal with:

-the head is lacking detail and the pull-out ears are a hassle-she's a bit of a parts-former (not a problem for me but maybe others)-feet never really hit center of gravity-arms feel really delicate (though they seem to be sturdy)-chest will come apart during posing-some massively tight joints

iGear's has the following flaws to deal with:-general lack of detail (though it's cartoon accurate)-chest does not lock-legs don't have a specific locked home in alt mode-feet are a bit small (stands fine but not like, never worry about it fine)-one arm sits in place in alt mode, again, doesn't lock-tough to get all four wheels down in alt mode.

craggy wrote:that comparison pic makes the G1 design look very "quaint". I think that Delicate Warrior would fit fine with a G1 collection, but, articulation aside, it just doesn't look very Classics.

Delicate Warrior is just as much, if not more posable than PE Arcee.

I like Motorbot but she does look somewhat out of place next to other Season 3 Classics characters.

I know a lot of people are getting an IDW vibe from the Perfect Effect toy but when you go back and compare images (where Arcee is drawn well and not like a techno-organic monster), Arcee is closer to the iGear rendition.

Both are good and obviously the iGear one has since disappeared but in my opinion, iGear is the better choice for a Classics style shelf.

The PE one for those that are wondering has the following flaws to deal with:

-the head is lacking detail and the pull-out ears are a hassle-she's a bit of a parts-former (not a problem for me but maybe others)-feet never really hit center of gravity-arms feel really delicate (though they seem to be sturdy)-chest will come apart during posing-some massively tight joints

iGear's has the following flaws to deal with:-general lack of detail (though it's cartoon accurate)-chest does not lock-legs don't have a specific locked home in alt mode-feet are a bit small (stands fine but not like, never worry about it fine)-one arm sits in place in alt mode, again, doesn't lock-tough to get all four wheels down in alt mode.

Best part of PE Arcee? Crazy fun with guns and stuff to do.

Best part of iGear Arcee? Shockingly great articulation.

Delicate warrior has such good articulation eh? Thats pretty cool, I'm surprised. A lot of the pics somehow leave her looking kinda wierd and rigid, especially for the open legged stance where the toes face outward in each direction.

You're right about the flaws of PE Arcee, but you left out one problem from my pink version; the hands don't seem to grasp the swords too well. The guns are a bit better.

Also, I really wish it had a better face/head. Its not terrible, but it's the low point whenever I look at her.

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1. Cartoon accurate (or at least giving off the original characters G1 vibe)2. Articulated joints so it isnt like an 80's figure.

As far as alt modes, The whole "Neo look" thing only came about because Hasbro doesnt want to pay licensing fees to a bunch of car, boat, and airplane companies. So the "not" alt modes were born. And in some cases, alt modes like a boombox or a microscope had to be changed to make the figures more fun for kids. All this "classics aesthetics" talk is a joke in my opinion. Impossible Toys, and X-Transbot figures look great with Hasbro classics figures. As far as Motobot is concerned, The pink one aint G1 Arcee. But the blue one works well for G1 Chromia because her obscurity allows more room for flexibility in our imaginations. We expect G1 Arcee to look a certain way because she was a mainstream character.

1. Cartoon accurate (or at least giving off the original characters G1 vibe)2. Articulated joints so it isnt like an 80's figure.

As far as alt modes, The whole "Neo look" thing only came about because Hasbro doesnt want to pay licensing fees to a bunch of car, boat, and airplane companies. So the "not" alt modes were born. And in some cases, alt modes like a boombox or a microscope had to be changed to make the figures more fun for kids. All this "classics aesthetics" talk is a joke in my opinion. Impossible Toys, and X-Transbot figures look great with Hasbro classics figures. As far as Motobot is concerned, The pink one aint G1 Arcee. But the blue one works well for G1 Chromia because her obscurity allows more room for flexibility in our imaginations. We expect G1 Arcee to look a certain way because she was a mainstream character.

I didn't fully understand what you were getting at, haha. At first it seemed like you were being more open to the designs while still being classic, and then PE Arcee is shutdown as G1 I see what you mean though.

It might not be G1 for most, but I'm able to allow my imagintion to stretch, and just see her bike mode (and related robot form) as just another evolution of her own form towards a different stage. I still see her as being "G1" as I see her as the same character from the toon, but then I add the personas of IDW in there, and animated, as different stages in her life that has finally brought her to this form. This is also coming from someone who only collects one mould per character, so you would have to keep that in mind (I try to keep only the best rendition that fits with all the other figures I consider the best of).

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1. Cartoon accurate (or at least giving off the original characters G1 vibe)2. Articulated joints so it isnt like an 80's figure.

As far as alt modes, The whole "Neo look" thing only came about because Hasbro doesnt want to pay licensing fees to a bunch of car, boat, and airplane companies. So the "not" alt modes were born. And in some cases, alt modes like a boombox or a microscope had to be changed to make the figures more fun for kids. All this "classics aesthetics" talk is a joke in my opinion. Impossible Toys, and X-Transbot figures look great with Hasbro classics figures. As far as Motobot is concerned, The pink one aint G1 Arcee. But the blue one works well for G1 Chromia because her obscurity allows more room for flexibility in our imaginations. We expect G1 Arcee to look a certain way because she was a mainstream character.

I didn't fully understand what you were getting at, haha. At first it seemed like you were being more open to the designs while still being classic, and then PE Arcee is shutdown as G1 I see what you mean though.

It might not be G1 for most, but I'm able to allow my imagintion to stretch, and just see her bike mode (and related robot form) as just another evolution of her own form towards a different stage. I still see her as being "G1" as I see her as the same character from the toon, but then I add the personas of IDW in there, and animated, as different stages in her life that has finally brought her to this form. This is also coming from someone who only collects one mould per character, so you would have to keep that in mind (I try to keep only the best rendition that fits with all the other figures I consider the best of).

Rated X often seems to intentionally misunderstand stuff so he can argue about it. I wouldn't worry if you missed the specific point of his rant.

As Counterpunch says, at least from my understanding, since I don't have it, but have seen a lot of pics, the Delicate Warrior does have very good articulation. The PE one seems pretty capable of posing too though.

I agree about the apparent tightness of some joints and some pieces looking very fragile. If I get Motobot, I'm going to be treating her like glass for at least the first few times I attempt to transform her.

Regarding the conflicting looks of the two...I think it's the lack of detail on the iGear version. Yes, it is cartoon accurate, but very few of my Classicsverse collection are. There are some that come pretty close, but then there are guys like Rodimus or Kup, and since Arcee is likely to spend a lot of time being displayed alongside those two, I want a version of her that I think looks good standing in a S3 lineup. The iGear version is probably the most G1 of all the Arcee's we've had. There was the Valkyrie one, but I've heard that quality was bad, and really, I'd be hard pressed to tell you which is which between Valk and Del Warrior in a comparison pic, since they both followed the same design. The PE one being a parts former doesn't worry me at all, and she has loads of weapons and a pretty cool alt mode. It's no more of a departure than my Classics Perceptor, and at least looks very IDW in robot mode.

I still wish there was a modern update of the car version of Arcee. Something like the Animated one, but just a bit less cartoony. I'd hoped for a War For Cybertron one, as that was just about good enough for me as far as updated designs go, and who knows, maybe Hasbro will eventually create a toy based on the IDW incarnation. I've still not bought an Arcee toy, but the pink Motobot looks good enough, it's just the price keeping me from pulling the trigger on it.

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As long as I can look at a figure and link it with the character, it doesn't have to be spot-on. Hell, I don't want it to be spot-on. FP's Insecticons aren't exact copies of the G1 Insecticons, and that actually makes me like them more.

I look at 'Motobot', the pink one and I connect it to Arcee. The blue one, Chromia.

Okay, so... just broke a piece on my pink motobot The double barrel that forms the sniper rifle bipod. I was pulling the piece off the seperate arm/bike rear piece when the black part that allows one of the barrels to swivel snapped off when pulling the piece off. Theres just no good place to grab at it to remove it. Luckily I was able to add just little enough glue that it stuck back, and still allows the barrel to swivel.

So, tip for the future, when removing the barrels, i would swivel them outwards first as if making it a bipod stand, and then that allows you enough room to grab the entire base piece off whatever hole. DON'T put your fingers on each side of each barrel where they swivel and tug, as you are applying a lot of pressure on a fragile point with moving parts.

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You really gotta love how someone calls a comment a “rant” because they don’t like someone else’s opinion. If you agreed with my statement would I still be “ranting” ???

What I was trying to get at is that I don’t understand why people say Impossible Toys and X-Transbot figures go better with G1 collections than with classics. They are not stiff boxes by any means like G1 figures so I totally disagree. I know this thread is about Motobot, but Valkerie and Delicate Warrior were thrown in and that’s what I was referring to. People seem to think of Motobot as a “neo” Arcee because of its “aesthetics”. (the most over-used word on this site since meh) I believe while PE might have intended for Motobot to be Arcee, the blue version screams classics Chromia. I try to pretend the pink version doesn’t even exist. Between Valkerie, Delicate Warrior, and various shapeways kits to convert animated Arcee into a classics figure, nobody is dying for a classics Arcee these days. (except Hasbro loyalists) However, seeing my Elita-1 has wings and turns into a boat, why not make blue Motobot into classics Chromia ??? It’s like staring you down right in the face and some of you don’t see the potential ???

I tottaly see the Chromia in blue motobot, just like lots of others will be adding her as the classics chromia. I don't have a big problem with characters having a different than G1 alt. mode, and still being G1. Megatron is a tank in my collection, still G1 in my eyes since thats how I see his character. All up to you to have it any way you want, haha. Take your animated Blackarachnia and call it Airachnid coz you like her character better, or vice versa. Who cares, its all up to you.

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MINDVVIPE wrote:I tottaly see the Chromia in blue motobot, just like lots of others will be adding her as the classics chromia. I don't have a big problem with characters having a different than G1 alt. mode, and still being G1. Megatron is a tank in my collection, still G1 in my eyes since thats how I see his character. All up to you to have it any way you want, haha. Take your animated Blackarachnia and call it Airachnid coz you like her character better, or vice versa. Who cares, its all up to you.

Thats exactly how I feel. But I do find it kind of silly how some people over-analyze 3rd party figures. If Hasbro had made Motobot, they would worship the damn thing. There wouldnt be any "aesthetics wars" on the news thread.

Rated X wrote:You really gotta love how someone calls a comment a “rant” because they don’t like someone else’s opinion. If you agreed with my statement would I still be “ranting” ???

If you'd read any of my posts on here, you might find that I mostly do agree with you on a few particular subjects. I don't think there were any "wars" in the thread before you posted, rather there were a few people discussing things. Then you came in and felt the need to tell all us stupid people how it is. Because you, and only you, are right.

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Rated X wrote:You really gotta love how someone calls a comment a “rant” because they don’t like someone else’s opinion. If you agreed with my statement would I still be “ranting” ???

If you'd read any of my posts on here, you might find that I mostly do agree with you on a few particular subjects. I don't think there were any "wars" in the thread before you posted, rather there were a few people discussing things. Then you came in and felt the need to tell all us stupid people how it is. Because you, and only you, are right.

I got no problem with you man. But when people started complaining about Valkarie and Delicate warrior, I saw an oppurtunity to address a point that Ive been feeling for a while. I would think most people would buy Motobot as a novelty just because it looks cool. I never dreamed people would actually make it their "classics" Arcee because Delicate Warrior was too cartoon accurate. Thats where my aesthetics argument derives from. I think Hasbro has financial reasons to make the figures more modern looking. I dont believe they do it so collectors can call it a "neo" line. I really dislike when people start judging 3rd party figures based on Hasbro standards. Every figure doesnt have to be so complex. If it has articulation and resembles a G1 character than it's good enough to be considered "classics" to me. And Im not saying my opinion is king, Im just putting my opinion out there.

Er, i think its more that people found delicate warrior kind of lackluster (and simple compared to all the other classics figures). For the price point, I did. I'd love to have had an arcee that looked like the toon, but didn't also look kind of bland and lacking some panel lines and attitude in the face. The alt. mode for Delicate warrior is pretty crappy to me too, since the back wheels seem so akward, and the front end is so much wider than the rear.

Mind, I'm right there with on thinking about a true Classics Arcee. As it is currently looks like the pink Motobot is a little scarce, and therefore, getting more expensive. Should have pre-ordered I suppose, but wanted to hear reviews so I knew what I was getting into.

I'd say that I'll see if I can still get one in a couple weeks when I get paid, but honestly, I've not even ordered Giant yet, and there's a ton of other stuff, mostly official, even, that I want to get my hands on too. Arg! More moneys!

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craggy wrote:Mind, I'm right there with on thinking about a true Classics Arcee. As it is currently looks like the pink Motobot is a little scarce, and therefore, getting more expensive. Should have pre-ordered I suppose, but wanted to hear reviews so I knew what I was getting into.

I'd say that I'll see if I can still get one in a couple weeks when I get paid, but honestly, I've not even ordered Giant yet, and there's a ton of other stuff, mostly official, even, that I want to get my hands on too. Arg! More moneys!

Seems like PE will do extra runs for products that are sold out, so if I were in your situation I wouldn't worry too much about an initial sell out. I waited awhile for the shadow warrior w/backpack and the wait finally paid off without spending more than suggested retail. I'm actually very cautious about these two Arcees (I'd pre-ordered the first day it was available) after hearing how delicate they can be. But, I'll be glad to have them in my collection, and can only hope that the problems aren't too widespread. Will PE become the next company to issue replacement pieces once these figures are finally shipped to the customer?

IT Arcee is a POS and I will never buy another figure made by them, ever.

PE DX 01 is not necessary, Arcee isn't blue and Chromia isn't a bike. Fem bikes are Movie, Energon and Prime, not G1/Classics. I have no right to say what people should spend their money on but I really feel like $100 is a steep price to fiddle with a new TF mold, and if it's fixing your Sniper Recon Transformers/Robot fix, there's alternatives.

All in all this character just needs a bloody break, every Autobot doesn't need a gf.

Blurrz wrote:PE DX 01 is not necessary, Arcee isn't blue and Chromia isn't a bike. Fem bikes are Movie, Energon and Prime, not G1/Classics. I have no right to say what people should spend their money on but I really feel like $100 is a steep price to fiddle with a new TF mold, and if it's fixing your Sniper Recon Transformers/Robot fix, there's alternatives.

All in all this character just needs a bloody break, every Autobot doesn't need a gf.

I beg to differ. New TF moulds are always welcome, with the loads of repaints we get from hasbro. Fembots are rare enough that I don't think any attempt on one should be responded with negative feedback (just saying).Arcee really didn't get a decent figure (except the igear), so 2 really isn't pushing it when there are many different megatrons, starscreams, primes, hell even the microns/3rd party targetmasters can't escape looking like the same old main characters.But hey, if you don't think its classics/G1, up to you. I don't think the figure matches the looks of prime, the movie, maybe energon, but the engineering is so beyond that, that it really only feels right calling it classics.

Its not my sniper recon itch that PE scratches, its the amazing figure, combined with a lack of a good Arcee, and the fact that she has a bike mode that actually fits with the other fembots we have gotten. Cars for the femmes would probably make them look too fat and ugly anyway. Rather than have ugly TFs that are true G1, i don't mind sexy ones with a minor change in alt mode.

(not trying to sound hostile, just want you to reconsider the awesomness that is pe motobot)

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Okay, got them on my desk. Took a little bit of fiddling but they're standing. I did some work with moving bits around. Chromia has her visor, Arcee doesn't. Arcee has the twin pistols while Chromia has the rifle. The wings are also different. All in all, classics Arcee and Chromis for me!