Comments on: Apparently there is some drama involving Amanda Palmer and the payment of backup musicianshttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html
Brain candy for Happy MutantsMon, 15 Sep 2014 23:11:17 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.2By: retchdoghttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1538289
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:29:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1538289it’s not ludicrous. it’s merely exaggerated, albeit greatly. folks in big cities get a professional accompaniment, others don’t. ticket’s (roughly) the same price either way.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1538169
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:33:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1538169Interns are hired to do all sorts of work, including “a job that a pro would do.” It just depends upon the level of the internship.

And, apparently, you’re wrong about your claim that “accompanying a professional musician onstage is a job for a pro.” As Palmer has clearly demonstrated, she is willing to give amateurs (that’s how I read “professional-ish”) a shot at sitting in with her, if they’re both (A) passably talented, and (B) willing to do it for beer and hanging with her and the band afterwards. While the miffed pros is this thread ostensibly fit the “(A)” part of the criteria, they clearly don’t fit the “(B)” portion, which is fine–and also not Amanda Palmer’s problem, or of those who DO fit both criteria.

]]>By: Barry Convexhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1538099
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:37:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1538099Actually I do have the right to my own opinions just as you do.
]]>By: OtherMichaelhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1538086
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:20:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1538086 Interns don’t compete for jobs that would otherwise be paid. They are special positions that are given for work experience, and quite often _are_ paid. They are for people at the start of their careers, or prior. But one would never hire an intern to do a job that a pro would do. And accompanying a professional musician onstage is a job for a pro. The first violin in a sympony orchestra is not going to be an intern. If the intern had chops, they’d be offered the paying job as first violin.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1538082
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:15:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1538082Gigging with AFP for free is considered valuable to the people who do it in SOME way. Perhaps they’re huge fans, for whom this is a dream come true. Perhaps they’re young artists who value “getting in front of people” differently than you do. Either way, you have no right to judge them for the decisions they make in that regard, or to look down on Amanda for giving them an opportunity they clearly valued in some way.
]]>By: Barry Convexhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537874
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:33:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537874Depends if the job is normally one that is covered by a union. Unpaid internships are also shit but at least there is the potential for a full time job. Amanda Palmer is not going to be hiring this people full time.
]]>By: The NIALLI$Thttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537854
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:03:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537854“As long as the entry prices are also in an appropriate range.” WOAH WTF? Is AP also expecting people to PAY entry to the show to play with her?
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537788
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:51:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537788Exactly. People whose argument boils down to “BUT 1 MILLION DOLLARZ!!!” clearly did not follow AFP’s Kickstarter, and haven’t bothered to research it in any depth at all.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537787
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:49:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537787Then start a “strike.” Make the evil AFP, and all those nasty people who love her and want to gig with her for beer and access feel like the union-busting cretins you apparently think them to be. See how far that gets you.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537785
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:42:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537785Your logics are not welcome here. People want to be angry about this, and they’re going to be angry, period. There’s no reasoning it out of them.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537783
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:41:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537783More than one artist has used the crowds at an event to put together a live concert video. You don’t want to participate? Don’t. The reason the jobs you mention don’t work for free is because–wait for it–they refuse to to work for free. And gigging with your favorite artist is not the same as doing her books.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537781
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:38:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537781No, it’s a “codeword” for those how are–wait for it–actually whiny and butthurt.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537780
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:37:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537780This has been the point of most in the “Defend AFP” crowd above–at least that I saw. Your group had a choice to make, and you made it. Good on you, and congrats on the new baby girl!
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537776
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:20:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537776Well, they’re not getting paid to jam with Amanda, so “amateur” is not a slur.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537775
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:18:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537775Xeni DESERVED to sneer at those who reacted that way.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537774
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:16:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537774No, it’s “despicable” that you choose to judge someone that you do not know, and that you presume to know that she is “wealthy” and “abuses her fans love and admiration for her.” THAT, Mulayim, is “truly despicable.”
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537772
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:14:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537772You don’t know that. And it doesn’t matter anyways. If a Beastie Boys fan happened to be a professional film maker, he could either choose to participate, or not. Simple.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537771
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:12:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537771Then get mad at those who ARE willing to “work for free”, by which we mean, “jam with a gal who’s (most likely) their favorite artist for free.”
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537767
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:07:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537767You really have no idea how the “non-music” world works. And you’re also very adept at setting up nonsensical straw men regarding viewpoints with with you disagree.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537766
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:02:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537766Then, there’s a simple solution: don’t play the damn gig.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537765
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:58:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537765Are businesses who use unpaid (or low-paid) internships “fucking over the unions”?
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537764
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:57:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537764Art is not a “job” unless it pays the bills. Period. It can be TREATED as a job by the artist, who chooses to live in a dumpy apartment, eat terribly, etc., but unless the doing of your art is how you pay your bills, it’s not a fucking job.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537761
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:54:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537761Unpaid internships are a common (and not looked down upon) part of everyday life. Deal with it.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537758
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:51:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537758Ludicrous analogies that are actually analogous to nothing in the current situation are sure fun.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537756
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:47:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537756The people agitating against AFP in these comments are just completely clueless. As Tamar wrote, have you seriously never heard of internships?
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537754
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:46:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537754Then get mad at THOSE FUCKING PEOPLE, not at Amanda Fucking Palmer!
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537752
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:39:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537752Bull. Shit.

In the real world, people “work for free” all the damn time. It’s called “internship”, and people do it to get experience in a field where they want to work.

]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537751
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:37:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537751Calling here an “asshole” is your own subjective opinion. Calling her “bad at business” just shows that you don’t know much about business.
]]>By: Dean Jamesonhttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537748
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:35:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537748He seems, I don’t know, “right” to me. If you don’t want to do it, don’t do it. And don’t rage at Amanda, rage at the people who ARE willing to do it. If they weren’t willing, she couldn’t do it. Treat them like union scabs or something. Try to make them feel guilty for being willing to play for beer and the chance to hang out with a person they must really admire. See how that works out for you.
]]>By: vettehttp://boingboing.net/2012/09/19/apparently-there-is-some-drama.html#comment-1537729
Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:44:00 +0000http://boingboing.net/?p=181949#comment-1537729Snowmentality is right. I’m very much female. Sorry I wasn’t clear about that.
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