And guess I started a firestorm when I asked what's so important about portability and reasons for supporting Hurd/BSD which make up 0.09% of the Linux masses. And one of the reasons given for not going systemd is portability for them.http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/ ... s_of_code/

And still have to wait for Debian to make a decision on the issue.
And don't think the Solyd Team really has the time or numbers to tackle something along these lines?

I'm sure they will chime in with their reasonings.

My needs tho as just a desktop user I imagine doesn't see a need in the short term and question whether changing will actually give me any tangible benefits?
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Yep I definitely think systemd is a step in the right direction for the future.
And down the road we will begin to gleam the benefits when apps are written to take advantage of it.

But presently it will not give you faster boot times or magically make your system run better.
In fact still needs a lot more work and if anything it's throwing possible issues and bugs into the desktop.
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Orbmiser wrote:And guess I started a firestorm when I asked what's so important about portability and reasons for supporting Hurd/BSD which make up 0.09% of the Linux masses. And one of the reasons given for not going systemd is portability for them.

You go Orb! Very interesting reading over there!

Orbmiser wrote:And still have to wait for Debian to make a decision on the issue.

Definitely. The way I see it we shouldn't even try to get involved in this. Never mind the lack of manpower, it simply wouldn't make any difference until Mom & Dad decide what they're gonna do with this whole init thing. And then just go with the flow. IMHO we're a Debian distro, so we use Debian's init system (whatever it turns out to be) in order to remain 100% Debian compatible. The beauty of it is that anyone is free to do with it as they wish. I followed Scott's systemd posts with great interest. And got busy. Or sidetracked from my sidetrack. Or something...

Yep don't mind the negative attacks as that's how I learn from others that are more knowledgeable.
Pointing out flaws in my opinions and biases.

But still confused why portability is so damn important to Debian when we are talking the 0.09% of Linux Hurd/BSD crowd. I'm all for portability until it starts to hinder or hold back. Or in Debian way used as a poor argument against systemd.

But hey no biggie. Might not even be here on the planet when the benefits are realized and utilized later.
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I installed systemd on my SolydX system months ago without any issues. Day to day, there is no noticable difference but becuase this is my laptop, and the HD is an SSD, 20 second boot up and 10 second shutdown is nice. I don't have any issues so far. I just have to be careful that the upgrades do not try to put back the old init system

Keith Packard of Intel and Debian's newest tech-cttee member, voiced his opinions on the matter this week. Keith ended up being in support of systemd and his opinion basically came down to, "I believe that Debian will need to support multiple init systems going forward, even on Linux. However, on Linux, I believe that the vast majority of Debian users would be best served by encouraging them to use systemd by making that the default."

More importantly it looks like it fixed the problem of FireFox killing my graphics and having to do a hard reboot. It loves to stick and suck up resources from time to time.
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I did have some technical problems with my bluetooth dongle after the change.

I also am in favor of using systemd instead of sysv or upstart because of the great boot time performance. I am an intermediately skilled Linux user, using it since 1999 and learning everyday. By far, SUSE and Fedora/Korora have given me the best boot times and debian the worst. Ubuntu based distros came second.

Although its a common notion that Linux users do not reboot their systems much and Bootup speeds don't matter, its not true for me at least. I have a laptop and in my day to day work, i have to move from one place to another twice a day for which I either shutdown or hibernate my system. Solydk is my primary OS and even after some tuning and leaving only services that I use enabled at boot up, I am not able to get anything better than 1 min 40 secs until KDE Desktop becomes functional which is not that high but can be better. On Fedora and OpenSUSE, its around 58 secs to Desktop on the same system. It just feels more responsive and fast with these two.

I am not putting down SolydK or anything, its a fabulous distro and is my primary one. Not using Systemd is just one "shortcoming", if i must say, it has. Otherwise, all the pluses are in its favor.

Oh, there is one more thing that i miss in Debian, deltarpms or deltadebs whatever. I know Debian has its own reasons for not supporting it, but for someone living with limited internet connections, its really a blessing. Last night, my fedora system updated, there was 1 GB of data to download, and deltarpms reduced it to 200 MB!!

sumitb wrote:Oh, there is one more thing that i miss in Debian, deltarpms or deltadebs whatever. I know Debian has its own reasons for not supporting it, but for someone living with limited internet connections, its really a blessing. Last night, my fedora system updated, there was 1 GB of data to download, and deltarpms reduced it to 200 MB!!