On 7 June 2012, the Department of Homeland security drew up a proposal to purchase 7k select-fire rifles in a 5.56x45mm caliber. In that proposal, the rifles are described as follows:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required." (Section C(PDW)ver 7.pdf - available in the below link)

Suitable for personal defense in close quarters or maximum concealment, eh? Sounds like a kind of situation one might encounter in their own home and faced with an intruder.

It seems as if in the eyes of the government these are select-fire personal defense tools in the hands of one of their agents. In the hands of a good law abiding citizens they are semi-automatic assault rifle mass killing machines.

What is the DHS for? It's not to fight terrorism. Govt has gotten completely and utterly out of control. Al-Qaeda isn't going to go into your local Applebees and blow up the joint.

That's a pretty stupid statement.

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The ONLY reason for govt to pass gun control on its citizens is so there is no last-resort resistance for when everything goes to complete hell and the govt suspends the constitution and declares martial law.

If somebody has a demonstrated number of years (just to totally pull a number out of my ass, let's say 15 years, starting at 18 years of age) of abiding by the law, has to go through enough of a good degree of expense and a hard degree of extra licensing for the more serious firearms, and can accord to having the firearm and bullets purchased for it traced back to the purchaser, than I can see a way that these things can justify their existence in society.

That's a far cry from what some would prefer, which is simply being able to walk into a Walmart and walk out. But I think it'd be very sensible way of screening people out.

Pretty sure if you’d have fired it on full automatic you’d remember it.
Spray and pray keeps the bad guys heads down but without some sort of solid mount to stabilize it hitting anything is more luck than skill.

More with the "you face the same threats as the president" nonsense, Pete?

Does it matter if I face the same threats? Sorry if I value the lives of myself and my family just as much if not more than the President.

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All kinds of people vote. Not enough of those people think highly enough of Trump to make him President but all kinds of people vote.

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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.

*I* am just some douchenozzle in Missouri. Nobody gives a shit about me.

People that work the DHS can and do have legitimate targets on them. They are charged with keeping the peace, often against internal, domestic terrorist threats.

Remember that if God forbid someone should ever threaten you or your loved ones.

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

All kinds of people vote. Not enough of those people think highly enough of Trump to make him President but all kinds of people vote.

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Originally Posted by Donger

So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.

Should every citizen should have the same access to the same firearms as DHS officials?

What does it matter? You act like if someone has the same thing as DHs they will automatically become a criminal and what not. You're a ****ing idiot whose entire argument is based on blaming an inanimate object for someone breaking the law.

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

All kinds of people vote. Not enough of those people think highly enough of Trump to make him President but all kinds of people vote.

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Originally Posted by Donger

So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.

The odds are basically ****ing zero that I will ever need a semiauto's firepower to pretect myself.

the firepower of a semi-auto? You're a ****ing idiot. Just shutup now.

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

All kinds of people vote. Not enough of those people think highly enough of Trump to make him President but all kinds of people vote.

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Originally Posted by Donger

So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.

It may matter to you but then again you aren't the one who is going to defend me so I think I will decide the value of my life, thank you.

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

All kinds of people vote. Not enough of those people think highly enough of Trump to make him President but all kinds of people vote.

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Originally Posted by Donger

So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.