> If we can include the ANT libraries in our CVS then my
> objection to ANT (requiring users to trackdown and download ANT) goes
> away, and I would then suggest we continue to use ANT for the other
> reasons you mention.
>
> Does anyone know if we could include ANT into our CVS and
> redistribute
> it in order to build the jdbc code? Are their license
> incompatibilities
> between the Apache License and the PostgreSQL license that
> would prevent
> this?

Should be fine to do, as long as we include the Apache license that comes
with Ant along with the distribution. Point 3 of the license states that we
should add something like:
"This product includes software developed by the Apache Software
Foundation..."
in the documentation too; I'm not sure if this is really necessary with Ant
as its a build tool, but couldn't hurt I guess.
Cheers,
Joe
>
> thanks,
> --Barry
>
>
> Ned Wolpert wrote:
>
> > I meant to send this to the group...
> >
> > -----FW: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>-----
> >
> > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:45:43 -0700 (MST)
> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > From: Ned Wolpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Barry Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration
> >
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> > Two cents with of thought... :-)
> >
> > On 18-Oct-2001 Barry Lind wrote:
> >
> >>>* People with Java background probably know Ant better that
> >>> 'make'. Ant seems to become 'build tool of choice' in
> >>> Java world.
> >>>
> >>Perhaps, but I'm not convinced that either of these
> arguments is true.
> >>I have seen make used by more projects than ant, and a developer
> >>building postgres from source, certainly needs to be
> familiar with make.
> >>
> >
> > Ant is great in a pure-java project. I have seen ant used
> as the primary
> > build engine in many Java projects, and it works great for
> me. But, here are
> > some (conflicting) thoughts.
> >
> > 1) To some degree, the make process of PostgreSQL should be
> consistant. Ant
> > and Make are two seperate building systems. Its easier to
> put the JDBC driver
> > into make than it is to put postgresql into ant.
> >
> > 2) Correct me if I'm wrong, but currently, Make is needed
> to run Ant in the
> > JDBC driver anyways, right? (To grab the version numbers
> and set the properties
> > when running ant)
> >
> > Yet...
> >
> > 3) Java is system independant, and the JDBC driver is a
> client piece. I should
> > be able to compile the JDBC driver outside of PostgreSQL
> server if I wanted to,
> > right? Example, I can't compile PostgreSQL on windozes 95.
> But I could
> > compile the JDBC driver via ant if Java and ant are
> installed. (Or, rather, I
> > should be able to)
> >
> > 4) Ant doesn't need to be 'installed' in other projects.
> Rather, they include
> > the needed ant libs in the CVS, which is allowed by the
> license, and create a
> > build script to call the ant process to build. (Usually a
> build.sh and a
> > build.bat) We could do that to also set the version numbers
> rather than have
> > make do it.
> >
> > I guess I can make an argument either way. The real way to
> answer this is to
> > ask if one cares if you can build the JDBC driver on
> window's only platform
> > without cygwin installed.
> >
> > -If the answer is no, that one wouldn't build the JDBC
> driver without building
> > the rest of postgresql, then the build process should be
> tied to make, like
> > the rest of postgresql, for simplisity in maintence.
> >
> > -However, if the JDBC driver should be able to be built
> without having to
> > build postgresql, (on platforms without
> UNIX-compatiablity layer like cygwin)
> > for client use only, then yes, use Ant to achive
> platform-independance.
> >
> > I'm lucky enough to only work with Linux, so I don't really
> care on the outcome
> > of this :-) I can work with either.
> >
> >
> > Virtually,
> > Ned Wolpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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