A B.C. Supreme Court judge protected the identities of five imprisoned witnesses during the Greeks murder trial over fears that jailed Hells Angels — dubbed the Big House Crew — would harm them for co-operating with the Crown.

Justice Bill Smart accepted that the witnesses would be perceived as “rats” who would be targeted by the Big House Crew, which circulates a newsletter identifying prison inmates who have testified for the prosecution.

Before issuing his sweeping publication ban, Smart heard from experts who testified that the Greeks were a criminal cell of the Hells Angels Calgary chapter and that the bikers would protect the Vernon gang by going after “rats.”

“There is a real and substantial risk that they will suffer serious physical harm, potentially even death. It is also important that the potential for intimidation and retaliation be reduced,” Smart said in his October 2011 order, an edited version of which was finally released Thursday.

“The Hells Angels is a dangerous and violent criminal group that operates throughout Canada; its members use associated criminal groups or crime cells to commit much of the crime from which they profit; these crime cells pay a tax or percentage of their profits to the Hells Angels in return for their protection and support.”

Four members of the Greeks and an associate were convicted last November in three brutal slayings in Vernon in 2004 and 2005. And a lawyer working for the ruthless drug gang, William Mastop, later pleaded guilty to aiding the criminal organization.

Key witnesses at trial were other members of the Greeks who were imprisoned for murder and whose names had been banned from publication or broadcast by Smart.

Smart accepted the testimony of Ontario Provincial Police Det. Sgt. Len Isnor, who said that incarcerated Hells Angels circulate information about so-called rats throughout the Canadian prison system.

“He also explained that the consequences of being labelled a rat and testifying against a member of the Hells Angels – death or grievous bodily harm — may also apply to testifying against a crime cell member, depending on the impact of the profits flowing from the crime cell to the Hells Angels,” Smart said in the 48-page ruling.

“The Big House Crew is the equivalent of a chapter of the Hells Angels and its members are kept informed about the activities of the organization. Big House Crew members may cause harm to be inflicted upon inmates who are labelled rats because they have or will testify against members of the Hells Angels or members of associated crime cells.”

Smart also heard testimony from Correctional Service of Canada security expert Luciano Bentenuto, who said the Big House Crew has a newsletter in which information is printed about who is co-operating with police and prosecutors.

“When you’re a member of the Big House Crew, they actually have what they call a Big House Crew newsletter that they send,” Bentenuto testified. “They actually put in there, so and so ratted so and so… They actually have movements that tell you which Hells Angel is going where, make sure you know he’s really a Hells Angel so that you don’t get fooled.”

In one instance, the Hells Angels outside an institution learned within hours that a so-called rat had arrived at the facility, he said.

Bentenuto said the CSC faces more challenges in housing inmates if it’s known that they’ve co-operated and testified for the Crown. They can be put in protective custody, but it affects their mental health and reduces their ability to access programs, he told Smart.

“Prison culture dictates a very particular code of conduct within the confines of the correctional realm and it’s clear that once an individual has been identified as a rat, has been defined as somebody that’s broken pretty much the code of silence. . . and also is seen as someone who’s betrayed the trust of other offenders,” Bentenuto said.

The Vancouver Sun and defence lawyers were opposing the bans shielding the identity of the five inmate witnesses, four of which were former Greeks members or associates serving life sentences for murder. The fifth was not in the gang and in jail for other reasons.

All five inmates signed affidavits saying they feared their lives would be threatened if it was known they testified for the Crown.

“I believe that if I testify in these proceedings and my identity is published or disclosed in any way, my life will be put in danger,” one of the affidavits said. “I do not want to be placed in protective custody for the duration of my life sentence as a consequence of my testimony.”

Smart said that in reaching his decision to shield witness identities, “I am mindful of the importance of attempting to balance competing rights and interests and not simply deciding which right trumps the others.”

“However in this case, the most compelling factor is the risk to inmate witnesses if the protected information is disclosed,” he said.

NOTE: I was supposed to be off today, but when we got this ruling in the late afternoon, I was called in to write it up. But I haven’t touched blog comments since last night and won’t get a chance to for another couple of hours.

165 Comment(s) for Greeks judge banned witness names to protect them from HA

It’s kinda weird how the publication bans say you can’t even report what went on in court. They’re just supposed to cover evidence the jury didn’t hear. Suffice it to say that the trial for the Surrey Six hasn’t really started yet. This is just a pretrial. The real trial doesn’t start until May or June and the big named witnesses we are anxious to hear testify won’t he heard until the Fall or Winter. That’s BS!!!

There are more and more aribitrary bans being put on in BC courts, which is contrary to the principle of open courts which is enshrined in the Charter. But we in the media are the only entity challenging these bans, which is very very expensive in times of cutbacks. Sometimes our lawyer is the only privately funded lawyer in the courtroom as ALL accused and Crown have tax-payer funded lawyers.

Here are some quotes from an SCC case in which I was involved a few years back – this section lays out the principles – you can also search Dagenais, Mentuck and can read the case I have excerpted below in full at this link:

26 The open court principle is inextricably linked to the freedom of expression protected by s. 2(b) of the Charter and advances the core values therein: Canadian Broadcasting Corp. v. New Brunswick (Attorney General), supra, at para. 17. The freedom of the press to report on judicial proceedings is a core value. Equally, the right of the public to receive information is also protected by the constitutional guarantee of freedom of expression: Ford v. Quebec (Attorney General), [1988] 2 S.C.R. 712; Edmonton Journal, supra, at pp. 1339-40. The press plays a vital role in being the conduit through which the public receives that information regarding the operation of public institutions: Edmonton Journal, at pp. 1339-40. Consequently, the open court principle, to put it mildly, is not to be lightly interfered with.

27 Furthermore, the principle of openness of judicial proceedings extends to the pretrial stage of judicial proceedings because the policy considerations upon which openness is predicated are the same as in the trial stage: MacIntyre, supra, at p. 183. Dickson J. found “it difficult to accept the view that a judicial act performed during a trial is open to public scrutiny but a judicial act performed at the pretrial stage remains shrouded in secrecy”: MacIntyre, at p. 186.

28 This Court has developed the adaptable Dagenais/Mentuck test to balance freedom of expression and other important rights and interests, thereby incorporating the essence of the balancing of the Oakes test: Dagenais, supra; Mentuck, supra; R. v. Oakes, [1986] 1 S.C.R. 103. The rights and interests considered are broader than simply the administration of justice and include a right to a fair trial: Mentuck, supra, at para. 33, and may include privacy and security interests.

29 From Dagenais and Mentuck, this Court has stated that a publication ban should be ordered only when:

(a) such an order is necessary in order to prevent a serious risk to the proper administration of justice because reasonably alternative measures will not prevent the risk; and

(b) the salutary effects of the publication ban outweigh the deleterious effects on the rights and interests of the parties and the public, including the effects on the right to free expression, the right of the accused to a fair and public trial, and the efficacy of the administration of justice.

(Mentuck, supra, at para. 32)

30 The first part of the Dagenais/Mentuck test reflects the minimal impairment requirement of the Oakes test, and the second part of the Dagenais/Mentuck test reflects the proportionality requirement. The judge is required to consider not only “whether reasonable alternatives are available, but also to restrict the order as far as possible without sacrificing the prevention of the risk”: Mentuck, supra, at para. 36.

31 While the test was developed in the context of publication bans, it is equally applicable to all discretionary actions by a trial judge to limit freedom of expression by the press during judicial proceedings. Discretion must be exercised in accordance with the Charter, whether it arises under the common law, as is the case with a publication ban (Dagenais, supra; Mentuck, supra); is authorized by statute, for example under s. 486(1) of the Criminal Code which allows the exclusion of the public from judicial proceedings in certain circumstances (Canadian Broadcasting Corp. v. New Brunswick (Attorney General), supra, at para. 69); or under rules of court, for example, a confidentiality order (Sierra Club of Canada v. Canada (Minister of Finance), [2002] 2 S.C.R. 522, 2002 SCC 41). The burden of displacing the general rule of openness lies on the party making the application: Canadian Broadcasting Corp. v. New Brunswick (Attorney General), at para. 71.

We be working them hawks, We be playing with them gats, put my young boys on the strip, We been playing with them packs, never that, bring that chedder back, If not hear that beretta clap, Your fault shoulda of measured that, Bad white bitch guess where I met her at..

These stomp downs are obviously rising up. Kim needs to look into these guys. That’s a lot of territory these guys are allegedly holding on to.
Wow, I never heard of them before. They seem pretty organized.

Do you ever wonder if people just put junk up here, to see who takes the bait? I agree there are a lot of organized gangs people don’t know about , but stomp down boys? Really? Steveston boys were also mentioned on here. Again, people throwing junk out there. If it wasn’t for gossip and innuendo, what would this blog run on?

I think you’re right that people do that. But I also think there are a lot of street-level crews that use a lot of names like that to make themselves seem like something. And it is how gangs like the Red Scorpions and Independent Soldiers started.

We can see how that worked out for those two gangs. Is this the state of things now: all the good posters are gone. Looking back into 2009-2010 there were some very interesting posts. Now we are left with these punks dropping names, to make them seem big. All the good guys are dead. Thank goodness for the hells angels and triads. They will keep the peace. Too bad they don’t blog. They keep to themselves.

“the good guys are dead. Thank goodness for the hells angels and triads. They will keep the peace”

Are you aware of how organized crime affects society? Keeping peace is not selling drugs, pimping women and girls and laundering money. As long as gangs like this exist there will be other gangs emerging.

Yet, as a law abiding citizen this quote goes through my mind: “don’t steal, the government hates competition.” Also, with all the bad press the RCMP are getting, including abuse against women, et al, it really makes me wonder who the biggest gang is, and who they are funded by. Please don’t get me started on supply and demand. Who is it demanding the hookers? Who is it demanding the drugs? There’s the root of the problems; damn humans.

Its a difficult topic to discuss if you strongly feel this country is laden with corruption and challenged to see the difference between a federal police force and organized crime groups.

Do you have any idea what organized crime costs this province?

I often wonder the demographics of individuals who are anti government. Are they less educated on how government is elected and how tax dollars are used? Are they in a lower wage bracket and feel they shouldn’t have to contribute to the great benefits of living in our country? Or do they feel entitled that luxuries and freedom should be at no cost to them?

You can wonder all you want about the education and sense of entitlement people who don’t trust the government are. Have you driven in metro Vancouver lately? My sister gives a ton of money to Stephen Harper and his liberals. Yet, he is going to jam this pipeline down our throats. You trust him? You trust christy Clark? You trust the RCMP? Really? I am educated. That’s what got me questioning our governments and organized religion. I have read the Iliad. Also wrote an essay that was worthy of an A. Then we studied genesis. Never been back to church since.

The thing with this stomp down killers is that they’ve been around for years. The drugs are funding the videos, music, tour buses etc.
they’re all over the Internet. The tour bus the top guys tour in is on par with any major recording act. I remember we laughed at the names of the other gangs. They didnt last long but they sure did leave a substantial trail of bodies behind. If you people don’t think there is a power vacuum on the street with all these dhaks etc going down get your head out if the sand. These guys have b

These groups do a good job of running themselves into extinction. Swollen Members is a good example of that. On top of the charts one day, then playing shit holes the next. All because of bad choices of gang and drug affiliation. Karma always catches up. So does the law.

After listening to “dark horse” especially “burn it to the ground” by nickel back, I would have thought they were attached to a gang. Being from Abby, I figured the red scorpions. But no, I guess they have enough talent to make it on their own.

hey bum chumm killa, did i say something to make u feel jealous? i just said their beats were not bad…what hell is ur problem just cause i said that? i bet ur some fag trying to make it big by rapping too eh and just cause someone got a half a compliment u get all mad…fuckin baby

LOL SDK what a bunch of fucking wannabes…. you know you are a winner when you look up to a weak support club “the jesters” those guys are booger eaters who would never make it into the HA. Have fun in jail kids.. or getting shot or stabbed when you fuck with a real gangster.

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhha! I just went to the SDK websight and these fucken guys are horrible Ive got more culture in my fore skin than these yeast wads! Snak looks about as tough as kindergarden fingerpainting!!!! Thank you Snak you made my day!

Come meet me at the jesters club house and we see if you got what it tskes.
Bring all your boys but first you need to reserve about 5 ambulances for your crew. Mix it up. A couple from surrey memorial and a few from royal Colombian.
Email me from my website

Are the jesters aware of your online invite to the clubhouse? My guess is not and you are a total loser for suggesting such a meeting. This furthers my point about gossip and innuendo fueling this blog.

what a punk. you never drop the names of whoever is your puppeteer protection crew you’re supposed to keep all that on the DL to avoid heat, rivalry and other unnecessary bs that is detrimental to business. i guess since the jesters are 2 patch geezers instead of 3 patch gangsters you can get away with that. i’m still betting they don’t want you dropping their name on here and almost certainly gave you some homo hazing gay biker punishment.

Put our name out of yo mouf you haterous mothafuccas!!! This OG snak talking that real talk for you in the one three. Mothafuckas be flakin and perpetrating but scared to kick reality.
Stomp down KILLAZ . ca on the World Wide Web baby. You ain’t shit . We runnin this town biotch

Uh Huh! Whats a mouf? Did you get the nickname snak from snackin on balls? I do need head and shoulders to control the flakin from time to time. You can’t kick reality its not an object! And the only thing you ever ran was down your single mammas leg!

Here’s a novel idea! Get a job you pillar of goat shit and add something to society!! You arent tough and you arent talented at anything! Start with a line cook and work your way up to drive thru manager! You wouldn’t make a puppy wet himself!!!! Fuckface!!!

mothafuccas be flakin and perpetratin but scared to kick reality,wow i ‘m so glad you listended to n.w.a.and easy-e on ur iPod to bring that ol school shit back from 19 mothafukin 90,real original,u guys r the insane clown pussies of the coast,give up now

The sad fact about these drug gangs is the more people they kill the longer they`re able to operate ,because the cops have to gather evidence and they won`t disrupt the gang, so the more dead bodies the longer they get to operate.

Fucc the stomp down slobs!
These fags are trying to tax my buddy too. Stomp Down are trying to move in on his spot. There trying too be ganster bloods now. around the Macs store on 104 @ 132 street. They are sporting red rags now fucking wannabe fucks we gonna take em out

Stfu loool you don’t know shit about SDK. We are not a gang or drug related. We are a graffiti and hip hop movement. We raise money for charities like hip hop for hunger and toys for tots. We are just a bunch of fun loving artists and musicians. Fuck all you haters !!!

Stomp down are little punks. They were chirping me Tuesday night at a McDonalds and three of them would not leave my little brother (17) and my girlfriend (26) alone. I busted first buddy up bad by drivethru (his posse screaming shit and NOT doing anything) Staff must have watched video a hundred times I am sure. Buddy name dropped bikers and i kicked him in the ear. Good night. Posers.

Sounds like you’re a biker and dumb enough to think a one liner intimidation attempt works over a keyboard. Gather up those brains cells and try to come up with a more convincing conspiracy theory on why society (not the government) isn’t buying the cool aid you’re selling.

i concur,of course they are going to know,the only way these cheeser’s are not going to be dealt with is if they are checkins or shipped back east without publicity,other whys they’re done,what they have knowingly done they clearly didn’t think through consequences of they’re actions

The reason why the Greek’s trial was moved from Okanagan S E Sector RCMP territory to Vancouver Court, was to protect the connections and the long list of wealthy Professional associated to this sanctioned HA Criminal group!

Dunno if this is sarcasm, but this is my response if it isnt: Hahaha I know right? Who would think that shit? Oh ya, that’s why it’s relayed 2-10 times before whoever does the dirt gets offered money to do it.

HA’s have their mind on easy money that they couldnt earn honestly, and not jail. Nobody in the games scared of jail till its knockin on their door, and everyone doin dirt is manipulated by those who don’t wanna. Drugs, arm candy, respect ya never had before, it’s the Canadian dream haha

cool,you’ll have to drive half an hour from you’re shitty basement suite in north whalley so i can tune up your roided coked up dome,truly a solid citizen,,,have you ever been to white rock or was the bus route to complicated for ya

KIM SAYS: That is NOT true. And if you persist in posting lies, I will get our tech people to ban you. You better tell your friend’s mom that too! Give her my number if she wants to call – 604-219-5740 or maybe she should call the Sun’s lawyer.

talking about lies , Len Isnor and the fellow from the corrections lied on the stand. I write the Big House Crew Newsletter and never once put anyones name in there. I post articles off the internet about charities we do or rides we are had, then i put one or to articles about cops gone bad ,( from the Newspapers ) i have one page of jokes a word search and a crossword . all taken off the internet. you really think they don’t check what is being sent inside? whats troubling is when i see cops having no problem with perjuring themselves for their agenda

November 15, 2010
No ‘rips’, no ‘rats’ allowed in Hells Angels
By SAM PAZZANO, QMI Agency

TORONTO – No rips and no rats.

Those are two of the cardinal rules that govern the members of the outlaw Hells Angels Motorcycle Club (HAMC).

Federal Crown attorney Tanit Gilliam said club members are expected to never “rip off” fellow bikers or associates in drug deals or testify – in biker jargon, “rat” – against one another.

In 2005, Merhdad “Juicy” Bahman, a full-patch member received 600 litres of GHB – liquid ecstasy – from a B.C. resident known as “Moe” who was a friend of the local Haney chapter of Hells Angels, said federal Crown Tanit Gilliam in her opening to the jury.

Bahman, who was selling smaller quantities to a police agent had been storing it at a friend’s Toronto home. Police secretly seized 350 litres of the drug, making it appear as if it had been stolen, said Gilliam.

This caused quite a stir as the GHB was worth $100,000, court heard.

The seizure resulted in Bhaman “being unable or unwilling to pay ‘Moe’ for the drugs,” said Gilliam.

But several Toronto chapter executives – John Neal, Douglas Myles and Larry Pooler – intervened to resolve the outstanding debt.

They had to “protect the good name and brand image of Hells Angels in Toronto. Bahman had breached the cardinal rule,” said Gilliam.

John “Winner” Neal, the club president, was instrumental in negotiating a settlement with “Moe” as Neal travelled to B.C. with at least $20,000 payment towards that debt.

“Neal was prepared in his own words to throw Bahman to the wolves if the debt was not paid,” said Gilliam.

“Neal championed the rules of the HAMC, in particular, the no rips rule, the no-rats rule, the brotherhood rule of not testifying against a fellow member,” said Gilliam.

Neal stressed the need for extensive background checks and caution in speaking of illegal activities in order to avoid police detection.

Gilliam said the prosecution’s case against the bikers relies on the undercover police agent work of a full-patch member and former HAMC executive, David Atwell.

Richard (Rick) Vallée, a long-time member of the Hells Angels, now has a lifetime membership in the Big House Crew.

BY THE GAZETTE (MONTREAL) APRIL 15, 2008

Richard (Rick) Vallée, a long-time member of the Hells Angels, now has a lifetime membership in the Big House Crew.

The former founding member of the biker gang’s Nomads chapter in Montreal was sentenced to life in prison in Albany, N.Y., yesterday as a result of his jury conviction in September for murdering police informant Lee Carter in 1993.

In 1991, Vallée became part of the Hells Angels’ Trois Rivières chapter. But in 1995, he decided to team up with Hells Angels leader Maurice (Mom) Boucher and create the elite Nomads chapter in Montreal. At the time, Boucher, who is currently serving three life sentences for ordering the killings of two Quebec prison guards, wanted only Hells Angels who were dedicated to the bloody war the gang was waging with the Rock Machine.

Now, with the life sentence Vallée received from Judge Thomas McAvoy, Vallée becomes a member of the Big House Crew, a designation the gang gives to members serving lengthy prison terms. Incarcerated Hells Angels have been known to receive a Big House Crew newsletter from the gang. Copies seized in Quebec penitentiaries have been described as updates on where Hells Angels members are serving time, accompanied by greetings from high-profile members.

In the U.S., federal inmates are not eligible for parole for certain crimes, which means Vallée, 51, will likely die in a U.S. prison.

“Life imprisonment was really a just sentence in this circumstance because of the horrible nature of the crime and his callous disregard for human life,” U.S. Attorney William Pericak said. “(The murder) was planned and was deserving of the ultimate sentence.”

Vallée was also ordered to pay $971,000 in restitution to Carter’s family for lost income, plus $8,000 for his funeral. Vallée claims to be broke, but Pericak said that remains to be verified.

“It will be a hunt, but we will certainly expend the efforts to track down his assets,” he said.

Carter was killed on July 28, 1993, near Champlain, N.Y., when his car was blown apart by a powerful bomb. Carter purchased the car, a 1977 Porsche, using reward money he was paid for working as an informant with the U.S. Customs Service while Vallée and a small group of associates were smuggling cocaine into Canada from the U.S.

Vallée knew Carter was an informant because, in December 1992, Carter testified as a witness in a court case against one of the men who helped the Hells Angels smuggle their cocaine.

The Hells Angel became a suspect in Carter’s death when Serge Quesnel, a hitman the gang used in Quebec, became an informant. He told the police in 1995 that Vallée had intimate knowledge of the bomb used to kill Carter and once told him the police in the U.S. “hated him” for killing one of their informants.

Vallée was arrested on April 3, 1995, and held in Quebec to first be tried for conspiring to murder a man who ran a Hells Angels puppet gang in St. Jérôme.

He was acquitted in the Montreal case but held in custody for a pending extradition hearing. On June 5, 1997, while being treated at St. Luc Hospital for a broken jaw, Vallée managed to escape. Masked men, believed to be Hells Angels underlings, surprised two guards, pointing firearms at their heads, while Vallée made his getaway on the back of a motorcycle. He managed to hide in Canada for three years, then in Costa Rica for another three and had plastic surgery on his face.

He returned to Montreal, where he lived under another identity until the Montreal police pulled over a man for impaired driving in April 2003. The man produced papers identifying himself as Guy Turner. Despite the fact he was found to be carrying a firearm and a substantial amount of cash, the man was released on a promise to return to court at a later date. It was only days later, after the man’s fingerprints were run through a database, that the Montreal police realized they had located Vallée and rearrested him.

Since Kim won’t let us post about Agent K on her blog. Why don’t we all just email him what a delusional peice o shit he is. His email is letfreedomring@hotmail.com. Which is funny because unless you have aol or outlook you can’t post on his fucking blog.

The Greeks, to whom these “rats” were members of; murdered people and their own because they thought these ‘victims’ were ratting on the gang to the cops.

Then these same people who murdered or were complicit in the murders, are now scared that they are going to get killed for ratting on the members of their gang for the crimes and murders THEY were involved in.

Release their names, we don’t owe these douchebags anything. Full circle, now lets move on.

What doesn’t make sense is to not “identify” them by name but say that they were greek gang members… Pretty sad if you say 5 ratted and there are only 6 in jail. One lucky guy gets the beats too. Hope those greek tattoos wash off in the shower.

Is anyone really supposed to believe that the HA’s don’t know who testified against them?

Or for that matter that there is a “Big House Crew Newsletter”…like these guys are so unsophisticated that despite the fact that they are notoriously hard to prosecute, that when they go to prison they suddenly become retarded enough to write down evidence of a criminal conspiracy?

I am having a hard time here…not a hard time believeing that informants lives need to be protected, but in believeing the rest of that shit.

I remember when I first got accepted into the club. I said the sacred oath. Beavers, beavers , beavers . Caring, caring,caring. Sharing, sharing, sharing. Then I got kicked out cuz I got caught eating a Brownie!

I remember the first time I got my patch! I was handed a vest and a cap. Then I swore my oath to the club. “Beavers, beavers, beavers, Caring, Caring , Caring, Sharing, Sharing Sharing! Then I got kicked out for eating a Brownie!

We oppose all bans. In the Greeks case, we were unable to even cover the key witnesses’ testimony and cross-examination because of the bans. That meant that one of the biggest trials in BC history was not open for the public to learn about. Democracy counts on open and transparent institutions, including the judiciary. It is up to the CSC to look after the welfare of inmates. In this case, they are going to court and saying `Gee, we can’t protect our inmates, so better to ban their names and all details about them.” That is caving to the HA and to others that threaten people. I strongly disagree with that and so does my newspaper. The CSC, police and Crown should have positive incentives to get people to cooperate – a better facility where they all get sent with some additional perks – so that lifers will consider their own future and cooperate more often. Closing courts to the public, banning names is not the right track to be on. It is a slippery slope.

Sounds like mumbojumbo to me. If you’re all about people’s safety, why ask for info that you’re gonna print that’s gonna get them killed?
Sounds like google news is effecting Vancouver sun revenues.. And kimbo needs to make a buck.

You don’t really understand the constitutional rights of the media. Courts are supposed to be open. We actually don’t agree that quoted evidence in court endangers people. The Greek murderers know who the witnesses are. All the people capable of hurting the witnesses have the information. It is the general public who doesn’t get the information. That’s anti-democratic (and doesn’t happen in other provinces BTW)

Usually inmates like these are living under new names inside their respective institutions, so banning their names and testimony is pointless except that it prevents the public from hearing the evidence which leads to convictions – or acquitals – depending on the case.

I guess that depends on the seriousness of the trial they testified at.
But you of all people are probably very aware of the resources and lengths available to those seeking revenge, the ban is just an added safeguard.
Personally I don’t like snitches, especially under greedy circumstances, ie to make money or get off their own charges, I think that’s immoral, but it’s a risk people run when they choose to do stupid shit like murder people.

The ban prevents the constitutionally protected right of the media to publish important stories about the significant cases AND the judicial system. As someone who has had many threats, I find it appalling that the courts (at the urging of the Crown and Corrections) cave to those threats by issuing these sweeping bans.

Why aren’t they labeled an organized crime group? Does the prison system do anything to prevent this newsletter from being circulated?
What’s up with Canada? Has anyone read that immigration Canada let a biker in the country after police told them they were bad but believed the biker when he told them 1% stands for honesty, openness and respect. You know they are all lol’ing at that foolery.

No. There are rats in gp, and non rats in pc…there are many ‘rats’ who are accepted and encouraged, especially when they are ratting for the benefit of a particular group.
It’s disgustingly common for competitors to rat on one another, even just ‘dry ratting’ such as Matt and many of his associates. Not so much providing evidence or testimony, just directing the police in who’s direction to look. No ‘honour among thieves’ or ‘codes’…just greed and douche-baggery.
Much like your co-worker throwing you under the bus to make a sale, get a promotion, or whatever, it’s gross and shameful.

wrong, a rat is a rat. there are no exceptions to the rule. its black and white. no grey area. guys don’t dry rat or rat to get a promo as u put it, lol. a rat is a rat is a rat. u are either a rat or your not. the guys who typically dry rat are junkies and the ones who rat to gain sumthing are straight rats. lol

Soooo like I said above unrealistically you are prob in the junkie category – just a feeling I have. That or you’re a COP who wants the readers to know “it’s OK to rat guys, everyone’s doing it” HAHAHAHAHAA

Steroids doesn’t do anything. We saw what happened to overeem in the ufc lol you probably Need it because you get picked on and need to get little noticed so steroids is the solution. You are another statistic of people wanting to do crank and but give the good guys taking steroids a bad name
No wonder why crank heads are perceived as big but dummy’s lol
They don’t even know how to read or know what 1 1 is lol
I’ll ript you apart after I’m done my steroid cycle” muahaha
That’s the only thing program in there brain to say Muhahahaha

If size really matters, there would more big guys in ufc,boxing, kickboxing
The problem being too big is your not flexible or coordinated. Your body stays stiff.
Being big is a fake image of looking tough as it makes the person look aggressive and huge. But any real fighter knows he’s probably not tough . A person half the size would scrap the big guy one on one just picking them apart. Big guys cardio is horrible. They go half the distance in a fight
Big guys are only strong gym strength.

You can fool the average joe blow but anyone that knows little about fighting would call you out on it