Weight. 14+ turns of .025 lead and tungsten or brass bead. Pretty heavy. But that is of late. I have been finding bigger bass in the combination of fast current AND depth. It has sort of changed my approach to SMB.

Rleep2, If you could maybe post some pictures of the flies you were describing that would make me and my pants very happy. I've my my best success on the flies I posted below. The thing i love about bass in general minus deer hair poppers and such everything is simple to tie and can be knocked out in less than 3-4 minutes

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Posted on: 2010/8/30 19:10

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Been crushing the smallies on the Mac! Smallies are agressive right now on top. I've been using half inch poppers and landing very, very, very nice fish. Too bad the susky isn't wasn't was 10 years ago.... Damn I wish I fly fished then. The Mac has been much better than in years past and I'm thankful I live so close. I'm looking forward to the fall so I can fish for stacked smallies on the susky. There still is a better chance of catching a smallie of a life time just north of Duncannon.

Posted on: 2010/8/31 0:43

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For all you having difficulties with SMB I would reccommend going to a outbound line with streamers, that always produces, provided your casting in a likly area, structure, shaded bank, big rocks, and bridge structure.. Using a floating line with clousers, unless the water is shallow and you know the fish are there, dosen't work for me. The streamers have to get down. The other sure fire method is dead drifting a crayfish under and indicator. If you do that the rig has to be set-up properly, weight and depth of indicator above split shot. Bob Clousers book would also help. Top water is fun for SMB provided they are being coorprative. Fishing SMB on the top is always harder to keep them on.

MidgemanHahaha isnt this the truth. Something is so sketched up about that once great river. My neighbor down the street is 80 somthing and has 10 pound bass mounted from back when he caught fish on i kid you not nail clippers that were stipped and painted to resemble a frog.

Posted on: 2010/9/6 21:13

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