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An Avenger SS would definitely be my recommendation. Most versatile/most used disc in my bag. When powered up they turn/anny/roll/hyzer flip like no other. Power them down and they will hold a frozen rope of a line or a gentle flat hyzer. Long tight wooded holes? Have no fear-the SS will cut through the trees like they're made of butter. Also very useful for stand and deliver shots especially when you can't get full power because of your lie, footing etc. They beat in nicely in esp and consistently age/cycle through the bag. I have 2 in my bag at all times and still carry the first one I bought. Too many good things about this disc to list.

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I had a Cryztal Avenger SS that I was excited to try. It was fairly stable, not flippy, and I really had to force it to turn over. Are the SS's you're throwing made of X plastic? Or ESP? Maybe I was just throwing the wrong kind..?

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My SS's are ESP. They're only ran in ESP and Crystal plastics. The crystal SS's are more stable as is the general rule for that plastic. Discraft is currently phasing out their X line and have already discontinued the Predator, Challenger etc in that plastic.

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My SS's are ESP. They're only ran in ESP and Crystal plastics. The crystal SS's are more stable as is the general rule for that plastic. Discraft is currently phasing out their X line and have already discontinued the Predator, Challenger etc in that plastic.

Just to stem any possible confusion, they are also made in FLX, which, is a type of ESP plastic.

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Just to stem any possible confusion, they are also made in FLX, which, is a type of ESP plastic.

Like I said ESP and Crystal PLASTICS. Plural!- Meaning multiple types in those plastics-Just to stem any possible confusion they are also made in Crystal FLX which is a type of Crystal plastic FYI. Along with-
ESP FLX Avenger SS
ESP Avenger SS
Crystal Avenger SS
Absolutely hilarious responses on this board! Taking anything positive and turning it something negative/smart ass appears to be an art form on here.

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Just to stem any possible confusion they are also made in Crystal FLX which is a type of Crystal plastic FYI. Absolutely hilarious responses on this board! Taking anything positive and turning it something negative/smart ass appears to be an art form on here.

Nothing smarmy or smart ass was intended. Some peoples are more Innova based, and may not be as familiar with Discraft to the point of knowing that FLX is an ESP type of plastic. And, as you pointed out, Cryztal as well. I am nothing but positive when it comes to an Avenger SS. I usually carry three or four along with me!