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Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

Originally Posted by cpwill

That is interesting. Are you now stating that the standard that you erected in order to declare Uganda a Christian Nation is illegitimate?

How can something be "entirely" secular when there are obvious counterexamples, such as Blue Laws, the existence of an office of Congressional Chaplain, etc.? Do you not mean to say that the vast majority of laws are not intended to enforce specifically Christian teachings?

Our modern culture and the laws in this country that contradict so many of the teachings in the bible suggest that this country is hardly Christian as a nation. If you are simply referring to people who claim to be christian are large in population then sure, but that doesn't define a nation.

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

Originally Posted by Maenad

Jesus, like the Hermes Trismegistus taught 'as above so below, as below so above.' Many monuments in DC have reflecting pools or are by water to illustrate this ancient concept: Try Washington Monument, Capitol building among others. Also, the vestibule of the Library of Congress has the same emblem on the ceiling and the floor below it to illustrate the same. Jesus was teaching the Ancient Egyptian mystery religion. So, you might be surprised at what you find in DC if you took the time to look for it. The words inscribed on the top of the Washington Monument are "Laus deo" which mean 'praise be to God.' Here is a list of religious symbols in DC which I simply do not want to copy, but you are free to read them:

Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

This is one of those questions that is asked a lot but is never answered to everyone's satisfaction, isn't black & white, and will probably never really be answered.

I can only say that for myself, as a non-religious person (by choice, as is my husband), I see myself living in a society that certainly has many Christian-only relevancies. Christmas, for instance. No, we don't observe the religious aspect of it, but we certainly observe it, and it is certainly a Christian holiday. Same for Easter. I don't observe Rosh Hashannah, or Ramadan.

I don't believe in God, but I say "Oh my God" at least 2 times per day. I don't say "Oh my Allah".

So even though we don't intend to, it seems that most of us have "Christianity" as part of our lives.

The groups who came here in the 1600s came here for religious reasons. The Puritans couldn't observe their religion in England so they came here to be free. Of course that was an odd brand of Christianity and when they got here, they banned people from society for not observing their views, which is the same thing that happened to them in England, causing them to come here.

I think probably the founding Fathers assumed Christianity would be the prevailing religion in the USA not having much if any exposure to Hinduism and Muslim and other religions, but they probably didn't assume it would be exclusive.

So while that was all a non-answer, I'd say no, we're probably more a melting pot of religions, but yes, Christian and all its strains is the prominent one so if you base it on pure population alone, we would be a Christian nation. If you base on it the way it should be governed, then no, it shouldn't be considered a Christian nation.

Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

Originally Posted by tres borrachos

This is one of those questions that is asked a lot but is never answered to everyone's satisfaction, isn't black & white, and will probably never really be answered.

I can only say that for myself, as a non-religious person (by choice, as is my husband), I see myself living in a society that certainly has many Christian-only relevancies. Christmas, for instance. No, we don't observe the religious aspect of it, but we certainly observe it, and it is certainly a Christian holiday. Same for Easter. I don't observe Rosh Hashannah, or Ramadan.

I don't believe in God, but I say "Oh my God" at least 2 times per day. I don't say "Oh my Allah".

So even though we don't intend to, it seems that most of us have "Christianity" as part of our lives.

The groups who came here in the 1600s came here for religious reasons. The Puritans couldn't observe their religion in England so they came here to be free. Of course that was an odd brand of Christianity and when they got here, they banned people from society for not observing their views, which is the same thing that happened to them in England, causing them to come here.

I think probably the founding Fathers assumed Christianity would be the prevailing religion in the USA not having much if any exposure to Hinduism and Muslim and other religions, but they probably didn't assume it would be exclusive.

So while that was all a non-answer, I'd say no, we're probably more a melting pot of religions, but yes, Christian and all its strains is the prominent one so if you base it on pure population alone, we would be a Christian nation. If you base on it the way it should be governed, then no, it shouldn't be considered a Christian nation.

Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

Originally Posted by Zinthaniel

Our modern culture and the laws in this country that contradict so many of the teachings in the bible suggest that this country is hardly Christian as a nation. If you are simply referring to people who claim to be christian are large in population then sure, but that doesn't define a nation.

You claimed that Uganda was a Christian nation because a majority of its populace was Christian and its leadership cited their Christian beliefs in making and defending policy.

I pointed out to you that a majority of the population of the United States is Christian, and that our leadership cites their Christian beliefs in making and defending policy, yet for this one you don't want to accept the results of your own test.

You can choose both or neither - if you wish to chuck Uganda overboard as not a Christian nation, that is fine, then at least you are being consistent. But there is only one string that is consistent with your flip-flopping claims thus far and that is that you wish to paint Christianity in as dark a light as possible. Until you choose to be consistent with the application of your definitions, that will be the only continuous position you have taken.

Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

Yes, I think the way the majority of Americans live their lives reflects that they do their very best to live by Biblical teachings. But you have to leave the ghetto to see that.

Wow really -
*With on a national level
-promiscuity on the rise
-Rising divorce rates
-Liberated homosexuals and tolerance to them
-half naked celebrities on every channel in every movie
- sex on everyone's mind

all of that is American - and that some how equals "Christian Nation". ok.

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

Originally Posted by Zinthaniel

Wow really -
*With on a national level
-promiscuity on the rise
-Rising divorce rates
-Liberated homosexuals and tolerance to them
-half naked celebrities on every channel in every movie
- sex on everyone's mind

all of that is American - and that some how equals "Christian Nation". ok.

Hm. What makes you think that "Christian" means "doesn't sin"? The fact that we recognize that we sin is one of Christianity's first principles.

Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

You claimed that Uganda was a Christian nation because a majority of its populace was Christian and its leadership cited their Christian beliefs in making and defending policy.

No i Didn't actually. I said Uganda was a christian nation because it populace is predominately christian and it government creates laws that reflect christian values - God's will. The nation has shown increasing interest in becoming a theocracy- along with their anti gay law was a slue of other laws regarding social standards, infidelity, and clothing all, unabashedly, related to Christian beliefs.

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.