In today’s episode, Jill comes clean with a dirty little beauty secret: she barely ever washes her makeup brushes! Can anyone relate? We get a lesson in makeup brushes 101 with a very special guest, celebrity makeup artist,Pati Dubroff. She was in town with Winners Canada, because serious head’s up— they have prestige cosmetics at a discount, too. The LA-based pro has been in the biz for more than two decades, having worked with Madonna in the 90s, held court as Dior’s resident makeup ambassador for many years, and these days, she regularly glows up the faces of Margot Robbie and Priyanka Chopra Jonas.

Priyanka Chopra Jonas’ MET Gala look by Pati Dubroff

We caught up with Pati when she was fresh from her major Met Gala red carpet makeup moment with Priyanka. We begin our chat by getting behind-the-scenes insights into the artistry behind the camp-themed look, including the hidden, historical meaning behind beauty mark placement. Next, we dive right into the topic of the day, starting with what separates a good brush from the bad. In a podcast bonding moment, Pati and Jill discover they share the same ride-or-die makeup brush (psst… it’s great for both foundation and concealer).

Pati often Instagrams her makeup brushes after a good cleaning

We also get Pati’s take on the top makeup brushes that should be in everybody’s makeup kit, and we get the #glow down on synthetic versus natural bristles. Finally, you’ll hear all the deets on Pati’s tricks for brush care and whether those sanitizing sprays are a good idea or not. You’re not going to want to miss the moment where Jill hands Pati all of her dirty brushes to wash live on the mic—this is not a drill!