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Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

Originally Posted by disneydude

You don't have to mention them Navy, you have a history of posts that anyone who has been on this site for any period of time knows about. The reality is....your anger at "liberals" is based on the fact that "liberals" have put women, gays and minorities on the same level playing surface as white males....and you have a hard time stomaching that.

My anger with liberals was that they sent me to war, a shooting war that they were responsible for getting America involved in.

Then they back stabbed me and the American soldier in the back while I was still on the battlefield.

But it didn't end there, it continued after I returned to the world, had all kinds of derogatory words directed towards me by my peers and even had some guy who abandoned his shipmates in Vietnam who stood before Congress and accused over 3 million Vietnam vets of atrocities that 99.999% of us never committed.

I guess you could say there are millions of us who have a chip on our shoulders.

Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

Originally Posted by Navy Pride

The blame is undenialable. When things go wrong you protest against our military. At your Communist protests you burn them in effigy.........You stand outside gates and spit at them. We were told by our Commanding Officers don't resist or fight back so we did that other wise you would not be protesting no more.

You should really talk to somebody if you're this angry about things that may have occurred. I don't mean that in a disparaging manner, perhaps you had some rough times that have skewed your views of certain groups of people. Liberals or lefties are generally not what you speak of. What you're describing is an extreme and doesn't really have any connection to the discussion or people on this forum.

Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

Originally Posted by Verax

You should really talk to somebody if you're this angry about things that may have occurred. I don't mean that in a disparaging manner, perhaps you had some rough times that have skewed your views of certain groups of people. Liberals or lefties are generally not what you speak of. What you're describing is an extreme and doesn't really have any connection to the discussion or people on this forum.

Take off your rose colored glasses my left wing friend, liberals are destroying this country

Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

My anger with liberals was that they sent me to war, a shooting war that they were responsible for getting America involved in.

Then they back stabbed me and the American soldier in the back while I was still on the battlefield.

But it didn't end there, it continued after I returned to the world, had all kinds of derogatory words directed towards me by my peers and even had some guy who abandoned his shipmates in Vietnam who stood before Congress and accused over 3 million Vietnam vets of atrocities that 99.999% of us never committed.

I guess you could say there are millions of us who have a chip on our shoulders.

Wow....you are going to equate a handful of idiots with all liberals. That is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge stretch.

Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

Originally Posted by MarineTpartier

So your contention is that male on male sexual assaults increasing since 2010, which conveniently coincides with the repeal of DADT, is the result of more reporting? I don't believe that at all. I'm sorry to make this generalization about your branch of service, but being gay in the Navy does not have the stigma attached to it that it does in the Marine Corps and most parts of the Army. It just doesn't. Being gay in these testosterone driven environments is not viewed as okay nor is it something that happens a lot. So, with that being said, a Marine actually reporting that not only was he sexually assaulted but that it was perpetrated by a man is almost inconceivable. Reporting hasn't gone up. It's still viewed as weak. For this many more incidents to be reported means that a lot more of them are happening.

You're not even correct on your information. 2010 is prior to DADT being repealed. It was just repealed last year, not in 2010.

Plus, you have no support for what you are trying to say. In fact, another key fact that you fail to consider is that reports are not released to the Corps about who made them, but the numbers are. But if an investigation was conducted, even with the victim not being named, that would still have clashed with DADT possibly in the past but would not now. None of what you posted makes any sense in regards to the arguments being made. You are simply stating stupid opinions that have nothing to do with the true facts.

All men, Marines or not, are afraid to report a sexual assault, whether to military authorities or to civilian authorities. The reason reports go up is because men feel that they are able to report them without people finding out. It has little to nothing to do with how many people are actually being assaulted. Your assumptions are based on pure fantasy about Marines that doesn't exist. Sexual assault isn't about sexual orientation. And cases are not going to increase just because gay men are now allowed to say that they are gay without fear of reprisal for that. DADT being repealed didn't make it okay for men to be sexually assaulted and only an idiot would think that the repeal is responsible for any perceived increase in sexual assaults. (Which I still personally contend isn't truly what we are seeing, but rather an increase in reporting and extreme overestimates being made about the number of sexual assaults that are really occurring in the military. It is many different issues in contention here to begin with.)

"A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

Originally Posted by APACHERAT

I've known thousands of sailors in my life time and learned a sailor loves his ship or boat and looks upon it as the best of any in the fleet, doesn't matter if it's was an Obama class garbage scow or an Iowa class BB.

And many sailors do feel that way (not all), but it doesn't mean that they are right. The facts are the facts though and what you describe is nothing but opinions. Everyone cannot be right about their ship being the best, that goes for whatever they are comparing their ship to, and whenever that is. The fact is that you cannot prove that our ships now are worse than they were before, nor that the crews are. You are trying to support this with nothing more than opinion, and no honest facts to back it up.

"A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt