Munga. I'm assuming you want to run campy dual pivot brakes. If so don't forgery that the max reach is about 50mm. Most old race frames that run traditional nut and bolt brake calipers will usually require a caliper with a reach of 52 to 62mm.

Finally getting around to getting parts (mixed NOS/used), to equip the Pegasus to my 'requirement'. I have a SunTour soft-spot. It's a bit irrational, but there it is... I have an almost-new pair of Cyclone calipers which will be going on. The Campo calipers will be surplus-to-requirement. I know almost nothing on that stuff. I'll list here on BNA initially, or access a swap of some sort within Retro, maybe. I have started to deal with the corrosion visible, but they'll need further attention when they come off.Without going into $$ values, on a scale of 1~10, where would they sit on the desirability scale?

In the world of campagnolo brakes I'd say about 6/10 mostly because of their condition. In the world of Campagnolo a 10/10 would be delta brakes. 9/10 would be Cobalto super record calipers and 25 anniversary super record calipers. 8/10 would be Chorus monoplaner's or pre-CPSC record calipers.

These are the '3rd generation' Super Record / Record calipers, introduced C1983. The script Campagnolo branding, rather than block letters, and 'conical' pivot bolt locknuts are the way to identify these. They are not that easy to come by it seems, specially when you are looking for a pair to complete a full house Campag bike from 1983 to 1985. The condition is not great but as long as the anodising on the arms is Ok, the rest of the hardware can be cleaned up or replaced. 3rd Generation is what I call them, not sure if they have an official name.Warren

Old thread i know but after doing a search this looks like the best spot to ask. Has anyone here used a Valentino or Valentino Extra rear derailleur? I'm thinking about using one on my Tom Wallace as it fits the look i want (it originally had a SunTour Honor which will do but i'd prefer something that looks a bit older and smaller). Obviously i've heard all about what an awful thing it is but really, how bad can it be? I'm not bothered if the shift is clunky or slow just so long as it stays in gear.

And on that note, any clamp on single campag shifters available? not seeing many on ebay. EDIT: found some Simplex ones going cheap, will a Campagnolo lever fit on a Simplex boss?

When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments- Elizabeth West.

Valentino's are on the bottom of the Campagnolo food chain. They shifted OK but your Suntour will shift better. As Frank Berto once said, "Campagnolo derailleurs shifted poorly but they did so forever". For best shifting I would avoid a freewheel with a sprocket smaller then a 13 and with nice even steps. A 14/24 would be nice.

I think the Simplex shifters use a different boss. I only have had experience with are the retrofriction ones and they certainly use a different boss, but they usually come with an adapter which slides over the top of standard/Campagnolo bosses.

singlespeedscott wrote:Valentino's are on the bottom of the Campagnolo food chain. They shifted OK but your Suntour will shift better. As Frank Berto once said, "Campagnolo derailleurs shifted poorly but they did so forever". For best shifting I would avoid a freewheel with a sprocket smaller then a 13 and with nice even steps. A 14/24 would be nice.

I think the Simplex shifters use a different boss. I only have had experience with are the retrofriction ones and they certainly use a different boss, but they usually come with an adapter which slides over the top of standard/Campagnolo bosses.

+1 I used a Valentino for while back in the day when nothing better was available and it was OK over a 14-26 block. Baulked a bit going up to the 26 but was better than the plastic Simplex which was the other choice in the spares box. Quickly got replaced by a Suntour V when I could afford it which was heaven by comparisonI have a Valentino 'Extra' in my collection which has an extended top to the outer cage plate, I assume to assist with shifting up the block.http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Campagnolo_Nuovo_Valentino_Extra_derailleur.html

Re the levers SSS has it right a period Simplex lever will not fit directly onto a Campag band-on boss. However I am pretty sure I have a right-sided single Campag clamp-on band and lever somewhere, If you are interested drop me a PM.CheersRichard

frailer5 wrote:Finally getting around to getting parts (mixed NOS/used), to equip the Pegasus to my 'requirement'. I have a SunTour soft-spot. It's a bit irrational, but there it is... I have an almost-new pair of Cyclone calipers which will be going on. The Campo calipers will be surplus-to-requirement. I know almost nothing on that stuff. I'll list here on BNA initially, or access a swap of some sort within Retro, maybe. I have started to deal with the corrosion visible, but they'll need further attention when they come off.Without going into $$ values, on a scale of 1~10, where would they sit on the desirability scale?

Yeah I knows its an oldish posting, but Any chance of another pic of the Pegasus ? Was only talking about these on the Abeni-Europa thread the other week.

ldrcycles wrote:Old thread i know but after doing a search this looks like the best spot to ask.

a) where to get "G" (aka index) springs at a decent price? (LBS wants $20 each) I want to have a spare set at hand but not for $80.b) anyone know which bolts in the original "brifters" (8-speed) are left hand thread?

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