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24 Nov 2017, 20:37

Hi Guys,

I need your help. I'm not sure whats happening but my Quant score is going down instead of improving. I have taken 3 Manhattan tests and they indicate a downward trend in my Quant. Obviously as you can imagine this is very disheartening specially since I am putting in a lot of effort. My method is as follows:

2. Have done all questions from OG 13. Obviously I have issues with questions. Have an error log where I keep track of the issues. Look to improve these problems every day by solidifying concepts and practice. One issue I might have is I am getting overwhelmed with the different amount of material there is. I am redoing the OG questions for the second time but need to pay attention to some basic areas as well like percents, fdps.

3. Writing Manhattan CATS and Official practice exams. I have only written 4 exams. How many should i plan to write before the exam?

My own inclination is that maybe I just need to practise more. However since I have practised more my score is going down considerably. What is frustrating is that I know my knowledge is much better. Maybe it is the execution I am messing up. Maybe I need to learn at a slower pace? I have read a lot of excellent posts here which is filled with great info. I have tried to give as much detail as possible. I hope you guys can give me some pointers or some ideas to tackle this a different way? Would really appreciate it!

3. Once your concepts are clear, work on solving questions in yourproblem areas and see the improvement unfold. Every time you make a mistake, make a note of the takeaway and read this list everyday.A takeaway could be something as simple as "Consider negative fractions when dealing with DS problems"4. Last but not the least, invest in the GMATClub tests. In my opinion,there is no better source to improve your skills in Quant. They make you aware of all the traps and and also help you in understanding the intricacies of the Quant section in the GMAT.

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I need your help. I'm not sure whats happening but my Quant score is going down instead of improving. I have taken 3 Manhattan tests and they indicate a downward trend in my Quant. Obviously as you can imagine this is very disheartening specially since I am putting in a lot of effort. My method is as follows:

2. Have done all questions from OG 13. Obviously I have issues with questions. Have an error log where I keep track of the issues. Look to improve these problems every day by solidifying concepts and practice. One issue I might have is I am getting overwhelmed with the different amount of material there is. I am redoing the OG questions for the second time but need to pay attention to some basic areas as well like percents, fdps.

3. Writing Manhattan CATS and Official practice exams. I have only written 4 exams. How many should i plan to write before the exam?

My own inclination is that maybe I just need to practise more. However since I have practised more my score is going down considerably. What is frustrating is that I know my knowledge is much better. Maybe it is the execution I am messing up. Maybe I need to learn at a slower pace? I have read a lot of excellent posts here which is filled with great info. I have tried to give as much detail as possible. I hope you guys can give me some pointers or some ideas to tackle this a different way? Would really appreciate it!

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25 Nov 2017, 21:00

quantified wrote:

Hi Guys,

I need your help. I'm not sure whats happening but my Quant score is going down instead of improving. I have taken 3 Manhattan tests and they indicate a downward trend in my Quant. Obviously as you can imagine this is very disheartening specially since I am putting in a lot of effort. My method is as follows:

2. Have done all questions from OG 13. Obviously I have issues with questions. Have an error log where I keep track of the issues. Look to improve these problems every day by solidifying concepts and practice. One issue I might have is I am getting overwhelmed with the different amount of material there is. I am redoing the OG questions for the second time but need to pay attention to some basic areas as well like percents, fdps.

3. Writing Manhattan CATS and Official practice exams. I have only written 4 exams. How many should i plan to write before the exam?

My own inclination is that maybe I just need to practise more. However since I have practised more my score is going down considerably. What is frustrating is that I know my knowledge is much better. Maybe it is the execution I am messing up. Maybe I need to learn at a slower pace? I have read a lot of excellent posts here which is filled with great info. I have tried to give as much detail as possible. I hope you guys can give me some pointers or some ideas to tackle this a different way? Would really appreciate it!

Hi quantified,- Take the GMAT Prep tests -- there are 6 of them. - Analyze your weak areas and then focus on them. Since you are scoring in mid Q30's, there might be conceptual gaps in a few areas.- Study/revise the concepts from Manhattan / Veritas guides.- Practice questions from Bunuel's signature and his daily feed.- Once you are clear with the fundamentals, then you can try the GMAT Club tests if you want an elite quant score.- Also , later with practice , you should learn to let a few questions go when they get too difficult. If you spend significantly more than 2.5-3 mins on multiple questions , then you won't be able to complete the test .

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The level of Quant in the Manhattan tests is quite difficult and I don't think you need to bother so much about the test scores!Though it is important to understand why the scores are going down.

I would recommend the following steps:

1. Take a GMATPrep test to understand what your current level is.2. Analyze the tests you have already taken and list all the topics you are making maximum mistakes in.

Link which you should find beneficial -

This link contains all the important concepts pertaining to the GMAT

3. Once your concepts are clear, work on solving questions in yourproblem areas and see the improvement unfold. Every time you make a mistake, make a note of the takeaway and read this list everyday.A takeaway could be something as simple as "Consider negative fractions when dealing with DS problems"4. Last but not the least, invest in the GMATClub tests. In my opinion,there is no better source to improve your skills in Quant. They make you aware of all the traps and and also help you in understanding the intricacies of the Quant section in the GMAT.

Hope that helps you![/quote]

Thanks so much for your help. I am going to focus on getting my concepts 100% clear. Hopefully will be in a position to then look at GMATclub tests.

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26 Nov 2017, 10:34

ccooley wrote:

quantified wrote:

Hi Guys,

I need your help. I'm not sure whats happening but my Quant score is going down instead of improving. I have taken 3 Manhattan tests and they indicate a downward trend in my Quant. Obviously as you can imagine this is very disheartening specially since I am putting in a lot of effort. My method is as follows:

2. Have done all questions from OG 13. Obviously I have issues with questions. Have an error log where I keep track of the issues. Look to improve these problems every day by solidifying concepts and practice. One issue I might have is I am getting overwhelmed with the different amount of material there is. I am redoing the OG questions for the second time but need to pay attention to some basic areas as well like percents, fdps.

3. Writing Manhattan CATS and Official practice exams. I have only written 4 exams. How many should i plan to write before the exam?

My own inclination is that maybe I just need to practise more. However since I have practised more my score is going down considerably. What is frustrating is that I know my knowledge is much better. Maybe it is the execution I am messing up. Maybe I need to learn at a slower pace? I have read a lot of excellent posts here which is filled with great info. I have tried to give as much detail as possible. I hope you guys can give me some pointers or some ideas to tackle this a different way? Would really appreciate it!

I recently wrote an article specifically for people in your position. You aren't alone! Hopefully you find this useful:

Hi Chelsey. That is an excellent article. Hit the nail right on the head. So just to be clear, I should focus on mastering each topic instead of covering everything? I have covered everything but the priority should be mastering instead of volume?The issue comes down to time. I have a month left for the exam which is not a lot, maybe I will reschedule. My verbal is stronger than my quant but I'm scoring only 31 on Manhattan CATS. Should i focus more on verbal? Maybe it will improve my overall score more?

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26 Nov 2017, 10:38

Skywalker18 wrote:

quantified wrote:

Hi Guys,

I need your help. I'm not sure whats happening but my Quant score is going down instead of improving. I have taken 3 Manhattan tests and they indicate a downward trend in my Quant. Obviously as you can imagine this is very disheartening specially since I am putting in a lot of effort. My method is as follows:

2. Have done all questions from OG 13. Obviously I have issues with questions. Have an error log where I keep track of the issues. Look to improve these problems every day by solidifying concepts and practice. One issue I might have is I am getting overwhelmed with the different amount of material there is. I am redoing the OG questions for the second time but need to pay attention to some basic areas as well like percents, fdps.

3. Writing Manhattan CATS and Official practice exams. I have only written 4 exams. How many should i plan to write before the exam?

My own inclination is that maybe I just need to practise more. However since I have practised more my score is going down considerably. What is frustrating is that I know my knowledge is much better. Maybe it is the execution I am messing up. Maybe I need to learn at a slower pace? I have read a lot of excellent posts here which is filled with great info. I have tried to give as much detail as possible. I hope you guys can give me some pointers or some ideas to tackle this a different way? Would really appreciate it!

Hi quantified,- Take the GMAT Prep tests -- there are 6 of them. - Analyze your weak areas and then focus on them. Since you are scoring in mid Q30's, there might be conceptual gaps in a few areas.- Study/revise the concepts from Manhattan / Veritas guides.- Practice questions from Bunuel's signature and his daily feed.- Once you are clear with the fundamentals, then you can try the GMAT Club tests if you want an elite quant score.- Also , later with practice , you should learn to let a few questions go when they get too difficult. If you spend significantly more than 2.5-3 mins on multiple questions , then you won't be able to complete the test .

Hope this helps!!

Thanks for this! This is great advice. Do you think it would be more useful to focus more on Verbal vs Quant? Obviously I want to do well on both but maybe the output will be clearer in Verbal?

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27 Nov 2017, 00:21

quantified wrote:

Hi Guys,

I need your help. I'm not sure whats happening but my Quant score is going down instead of improving. I have taken 3 Manhattan tests and they indicate a downward trend in my Quant. Obviously as you can imagine this is very disheartening specially since I am putting in a lot of effort. My method is as follows:

2. Have done all questions from OG 13. Obviously I have issues with questions. Have an error log where I keep track of the issues. Look to improve these problems every day by solidifying concepts and practice. One issue I might have is I am getting overwhelmed with the different amount of material there is. I am redoing the OG questions for the second time but need to pay attention to some basic areas as well like percents, fdps.

3. Writing Manhattan CATS and Official practice exams. I have only written 4 exams. How many should i plan to write before the exam?

My own inclination is that maybe I just need to practise more. However since I have practised more my score is going down considerably. What is frustrating is that I know my knowledge is much better. Maybe it is the execution I am messing up. Maybe I need to learn at a slower pace? I have read a lot of excellent posts here which is filled with great info. I have tried to give as much detail as possible. I hope you guys can give me some pointers or some ideas to tackle this a different way? Would really appreciate it!

Here is the advice Ron would have provided :if you're studying properly, you should be spending substantially MORE time on review than on doing problems. if you can do even close to 100 problems per day, that indicates that you're just doing problem after problem after problem after problem after problem, and not spending nearly enough (if any) time reviewing.

here's what you should be able to do:

for EVERY quant problem: * don't concentrate on the solution to that actual problem, since you can be sure you aren't going to see that actual problem on the exam * instead, try to find TAKEAWAYS from the problem, which you can then APPLY TO OTHER PROBLEMS. this is key - DO NOT LEAVE A PROBLEM until you have extracted at least one piece of information, whether a formula, a strategy, a trick/trap, etc., that you can apply to OTHER problems. do not leave a problem until you can fill in the following sentence, meaningfully and nontrivially: "if i see __ ON ANOTHER PROBLEM, i should __" * notice the SIGNALS in the problem that dictate which strategy to use. if you miss the problem, then notice the strategy that's used in the book's solution (not always the best solution, in the case of the o.g., but better than nothing), and go back to see if there are any signals 'telling' you to use that strategy.
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