PBS broadcast of “Solving the Mystery of WTC7″ reaches 2.7 Million Americans

It makes my heart bleed that the world trade center is so talked about. The American army killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS CIVILIANS not to mention
experimented in heinous ways that I do not want to imagine, just for the sake of science. My point being, Yes you were lied to but wake up the two
thousand people that cut your hearts so much would turn over in their graves if they knew what we had done in their memories. Im sorry, not we. THEY.

Originally posted by David134
If it ever came to light, and yes I know thats not going to happen, but if it ever did. Can you begin to fathom the fall out there would be.They can
never let it out because the whole world would turn on us. We could never recover. How would we explain the wars, and what the American people have
been put through. That day and every day since. I still say its all in the documents that were destoryed

It WILL come to light.

It's too big not to. Too much evidence: hundreds of videos (many still to be released/discovered), eye witnesses, etc. That is why it is not going
away.

So as an American, maybe it would be better to get on the side of the light?

You guys are crazy! WTC7 wasn't brought down by controlled demolition, fire brought it down! Fire is what caused the building to collapse
symmetrically in a way that parallels demolitions, by symmetrically severing the core columns at the exact same moment to ensure symmetry.

Really, seriously ... go take a hike. It's really tiresome to hear this rhetoric again and again. It's like talking to a retard ... "The fire
brought it down". It was brought down by "fire in office furniture".

People like you, should think before you answer to these posts ... because you don't have any arguements, your just a parrot, parroting words that
have no value or weight. It's so "stupid" to believe that an office fire, could bring down a building ... that one can almost ask you to go see your
doctor, or wether you are a retard. What did you do, when you went to school? How did you get your grades? How did you ever manage to grow beyond
kindergarten?

First of all, before the building 7 went down ... it was already reported by news media, that they would have to bring it down by demolition. The
owner of the building, came later and "denied" it, because if he did, he was liable for damages.

The "truth" is, that it could only have been brought down by demolition, if the "entire" scenario was planned ahead, by months. Do you have any
agenda, to save G.W. Bushes hide? Do you have an agenda, to aid and support mass murderers? No? then what is the harm, in having a true
investigation? Only the true perpetrators of 9/11, would want to hide from the truth, with such "nonsense" as "office fires".

But it doesn't help, to tell you that office furniture cannot burn at temperatures high enough to even cause so much as a "whimp" in a steel
structure, does it? You don't comprehend even the simplest facts of physics, or even chemistry. Claiming superiority, because you think that the
government is right and if you stand by the winners, your a winner to ...

Well, news flash for you ... you are a COWARD. Because it COWARDICE, to just stand there and go on and on and on about things, like office fires,
that only makes sense to a child. It's cowardice, to not dare to against the official explanation ... it's cowardice, to stand by the winner to boast
your own image, and claim to be right, not by arguements, but by right of force.

Be a man, or try to be one ... and swim against the current ... like a man.

Go read a book, about what temperatures elements burn and how "close" they are to the columns, and how they could reach the temperatures of 800
degrees celcius. If you know what the celcius scale is. Go back to school, and read about physics ... go back to kindergarten and read elementary
physics, and the fact that an "assymetric failure", cannot EVER be the cause behind a "symmetric" collapse.

And then be a man, and build your opinions on FACTS of Physics, and not on the HYPE of political corruption.

You guys are crazy! WTC7 wasn't brought down by controlled demolition, fire brought it down! Fire is what caused the building to collapse
symmetrically in a way that parallels demolitions, by symmetrically severing the core columns at the exact same moment to ensure symmetry.

And this happened on several floors, allowing the building to free-fall during it's collapse. Because fire is capable of doing that. If there's
anything we know about fire, it's that it burns perfectly symmetrically. In fact, it's so predictable and uniform in it's damage, that it could
caused several core columns to fail within less than a second of each other allowing the symmetry and free-fall. That's completely possible, and
that's what happened. Just ask NIST, the mainstream media, and George Bush.

If you disagree with them, even if you're a structural engineer or high-rise architect with decades of experience, you're nothing more than a
charlatan peddling conspiracy theories in order to fool gullible idiots into buying your film, because a career in architecture or engineering
definitely doesn't pay good, so they need to make a couple hundred bucks for doing an interview.

And the BBC reporting it's collapse before it happened? That was just some confusion, that's all. They weren't handed a script that was read
at the wrong time, because they were playing their role in the agenda, they were just confused, because it was a chaotic day. I know when I'm
confused, I can accurately predict events that have never happened in history, such as steel-framed skyscrapers collapsing entirely from fire
damage.

Those dozens of people who reported explosions, many of which explicity stated things like "I know what explosions sound like. It wasn't the sound
of a building collapsing that I mistook for explosions, they were without a doubt explosions", are all lying. They just heard the building
collapsing, that's all. 100 witnesses reporting the same thing, 200 witnesses, who cares. They're all wrong about hearing explosions, and me, one
person, is right, and am in the position to tell all of them that they're incorrect.

Originally posted by Mistaken_mystery
Come on guys, It was AL-CIA-DUH. stop questioning everything and just trust the great presidents that take care of us. They are American too, why
would they want to harm us. They can't show us the Pentagon footage because it would be a threat to national security. Now go take your Xanax and stop
worrying. The new president will fix everything!

i hope you are being sarcastic

many people say that at least one president is not an american

casey anthony killed her kid so she could be a bar slut full time, do u think a powerful american would not hurt another american for personal gain?

New physics teachers and professors graduate every year.
New engineers and professors graduate every year.
New architects and professors graduate every year.

Where is this ground swell of experts coming out stating that the buildings could not have reacted this way?
Only a small number have signed up for ae911. Out of all the experts on the entire planet all they can get adds up to about 1500.

Really, seriously ... go take a hike. It's really tiresome to hear this rhetoric again and again. It's like talking to a retard ... "The fire
brought it down". It was brought down by "fire in office furniture". People like you, should think before you answer to these posts ... because
you don't have any arguements, your just a parrot, parroting words that have no value or weight. It's so "stupid" to believe that an office fire,
could bring down a building ... that one can almost ask you to go see your doctor, or wether you are a retard. What did you do, when you went to
school? How did you get your grades? How did you ever manage to grow beyond kindergarten?

You know what's really funny? Your apparent inability to read and comprehend a full post, or your inability to detect sarcasm.

Go read what Tupac said again slowly, you'll see, and he's bang on the money.

See, what he ingeniously did was put up every single BS debunking claim possible, all in 1 post, tongue in cheek showing you how absurd it is to
honestly believe fire brought that building down.

Don't fell bad, 911 is a heated subject and it's easy to read 1 paragraph then fly off the handle, you just did so on the wrong post.

I'm glad to see any of these A&E videos making the rounds as they stick to the facts without making claims or assertions without facts to base them
on. In my opinion, the A&E videos are the benchmark for the 911 truth community.

You can scream inside job all you want, it doesn't help. It's much better to take an open stance, present the same information to "them" that led
you to your opinions, and hope their brain does the rest. You won't win over everyone, this is a bitter pill to swallow thinking that elements of
your own government, and that of an ally, would sacrifice so much life to drive towards a political, and profitably, goal.

Only a small number have signed up for ae911. Out of all the experts on the entire planet all they can get adds up to about 1500.

60 years ago there was only a handful of physicists that would give quantum mechanics the light of day, Einstein was NOT one of them, this doesn't
change the fact that it was right, and has grow to epic per-portions now.

Basic physics friend, you don't even need an engineering degree to understand that a building collapsing from a fire in a "gravity driven collapse"
simply can NOT do so without the lower half offering resistance. This didn't happen 3 times in recorded history, only 3 times in history has the law
of conservation of momentum (energy) been broken.

all on the same day, less than a block away from each other

WTC1, WTC2, WTC7.

And why haven't more engineers spoken out? you don't think it has anything to do with the government run smear campaign against any that do?

Lemme guess, to you, popular mechanics, with their inaccurate model of the towers, "solved" this mystery for you right? Their insane, didn't
happen, pancake theory?

Because, if you actually READ that article, instead of talking about it like you did, you'd have seen the same information I saw, namely, that the
pancake collapse didn't happen, and with the building design of the WTC, couldn't have happened. And even if it did, the law of conservation of
momentum would still have to be broken.

I don't need an engineering degree to understand how an office fire works, or that thick black smoke is indication of an oxygen STARVED fire, and
that kerosene (jet fuel) not only can't burn hot enough to weaken steel, all burnt up in the initial fireballs on impact.

I don't need a degree to tell me that if the fires were indeed over 1800 degrees, the people seen in various videos in the impact holes, waving for
help, were obviously ghosts because they would have been incinerated.

I don't need a degree to know that an office fire spreads, burning it's fuel and moving along, unevenly and that a fully symmetrical collapse
wouldn't be possible as the heat distribution would be varied.

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
I see your point, bro. I guess I needed to understand the huge industry that has been created around 911, and the DVD's are selling like hotcakes.
Just last year Richard Gage made 20 million dollars on DVD sales alone. It's funny how people pirate hollywood movies, but didn't think to easily
download the youtube version of 911 architects and engineers for truth, they spent 149.99$ on it, which is the going price.

You already understand the 9/11 conspiracy industry. Richard Gage is literally a multimillionare now because of the 9/11 conspiracy movement. For
centuries con artists have concocted an amazing assortment of snake oil schemes to sucker gullible people with. If it wasn't handy dandy serums that
does everything from cure gout to remove stains from your clothes, it's miracle contraptions that grows hair on bald men, and it it's not that, it's
diet pills that lets you eat like a horse and still lose weight. Back before 2000 there were all sorts of hucksters selling books predicting gloom
and doom becuase of Y2K. Now, it's armies of sinister secret agents staging an inside job to take over the world. Gage is only unique because he's a
successful snake oil peddler.

If the conspiracy people don't believe anything else I say, then at least believe this- if anyone tells you that everything you know is wrong and
they'll tell you the REAL truth only if you give them your money, they're full of horse [censored].

Furthermore I think I'm starting to wake up from my conspiracy stupor, and I'm starting to see how everyone on ATS is some crazy liberal that
believes in aliens/911truth (same thing really.)

They aren't crazy and they certainly all aren't liberals. They are, however, all gullible as hell and they'll swallow any goofball claim they read on
the internet without critical analysis. Gage becoming a multimillionaire off of these 9/11 conspiracies out to be a red flag right there to anyone
who's awake.

Where did you hear that Richard Gage made $20 million from milking the 9/11 conspiracy teat?

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I don't need a degree to tell me that if the fires were indeed over 1800 degrees, the people seen in various videos in the impact holes, waving for
help, were obviously ghosts because they would have been incinerated.

I don't need a degree to know that an office fire spreads, burning it's fuel and moving along, unevenly and that a fully symmetrical collapse
wouldn't be possible as the heat distribution would be varied.

You likewise don't need a degree to understand that becauase the pentouse collapsed into the interior of WTC 7 six seconds before the exterior of the
structure did, that it wasn't a symmetrical collapse. That' why Gage is manufacturing his own evidence by clipping off the penthouse collapse on
every video he has ever shown.

I would have thought you also wouldn't need a degree to realize that when you see someone like Gage deliberately altering his evidence to get you to
believe what he wants you to believe, that you'd be able to figure out on your own that he's an untrustworthy source of information.

Don't you think that he, like the rest of us, had a lot better things to do than to ferret out who the real perpetrators of 9/11 were? Your
assertions are over the top ridiculous. The guy has the credentials, and no history of being a snake oil salesman.

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
I see your point, bro. I guess I needed to understand the huge industry that has been created around 911, and the DVD's are selling like hotcakes.
Just last year Richard Gage made 20 million dollars on DVD sales alone. It's funny how people pirate hollywood movies, but didn't think to easily
download the youtube version of 911 architects and engineers for truth, they spent 149.99$ on it, which is the going price.

You already understand the 9/11 conspiracy industry. Richard Gage is literally a multimillionare now because of the 9/11 conspiracy movement. For
centuries con artists have concocted an amazing assortment of snake oil schemes to sucker gullible people with.

Basic physics friend, you don't even need an engineering degree to understand that a building collapsing from a fire in a "gravity driven collapse"
simply can NOT do so without the lower half offering resistance.

Ahh but you do need a degree to understand all the interactions. Otherwise any old Joe Blow could put up a building without any permits or engineering
drawings. That is why we have building permits. The cities want proof that the building will perform to certain standards. You need a degree and
experienced teachers in the subject. Not some internet expert.

The builders of the Titanic were experienced in making steel rivets. But they didn't follow the requirements of the designers and allowed too much
slag in the rivets. After all no other ship in history had their rivets fail causing the ship to sink.

It's a simple case of 'know it all's' vs 'experts'. The know it all's rant about how it can't be and sell dvd's while the experts go on with
the next building, learning from the last.

Large chunks of the collapsing tower(s) collided with WTC7. That's what caused hte fires. It also caused considerably structural damage which is what
led to it collapsing.

There's no need for any conspiracy theories to explain it. There is a data vacuum because of the chaos surrounding that day. But the existence of a
vacuum does not equal conspiracy.

There is mounds of evidence that firefighters were well aware of the state of WTC7. They knew it had been substantially damaged by falling debris
(from the other tower(s)). When you watch a lot of these videos, they don't show the damage on the other side. This is what leads to the flawed
conspiracy theories. And many people have a stake in it. People that're anti-war or, in general, cook these things for a living. Once you see the
evidence, you won't be fooled.

Fire very rarely brings down buildings. True. But WTC7 was already compromised because of the debris that struck it. Additionally, the fire sprinklers
did not work because the water mains were broken. What do you think is more likely: 1) The government setup explosives in WTC7 preceding 9/11 and
"pulled it", in direct violation of established law 2) The building fell due to the before-mentioned reasons. I'll go with (2), since (1) is thorny
and is not the simpler of the explanations.

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