Sawant Rocks !!! Good & Important link !! But don't go needling like snooz does just because 'tc' really does give a fk about Palestinians ! Also fyi, some other people in water crisis like the people of Detroit :

''DETROIT, MI — “I feel like I’m in a nightmare.” !!! Water Is A BIG Deal For All The 99% !! Irrespective of where we are ! I have many ''preferred topic(s)'' & you should know that .. but yes, The Palestinian Plight does focus my thoughts particularly right now, but thanx very much for your rather excellent links above.

I'm gonna tweet it and of course draw parallels to Gaza with a '#' when I do. Thanx. Solidarity but it is interesting that you use the phrase ''anti israel threads'' - when they are really Pro Justice & Fairness.

Perhaps you too see it as a 'zero sum game' of sorts ? It's NOT. We are with and for - The 99% or we are not. No Racial Distinctions ; No Racial Exclusivism ; No Exceptionalism ; No Supremacism & fyi :

If I comment on Detroit, our resident professional 'Michiganonanian' may pop a gasket right now, so I'll limit myself to recommending your excellent link on this very important matter to any and all readers !!!

Other than 'removing' comments and empty, vacuous ad hominems - you have nothing because there is nothing and if there was, you should have put up some links. So go ahead now and take your best shot. You are hung on your own petard now snooz and I need say nothing more to you or about you - tho' no doubt I will ...

When the state is using military weapons against the people on a regular basis, and the people are told their only other option is to privatize in the hands of the very same people, there is only one solution:

Step up and start leading. If they don't that water will be wholly owned privately by the end of the year.

Pandering to the politicians is going to get you what you have right now.

Their water is not going to get turned off, they arent putting their necks out for things that dont affect em. They are politicians, creatures of opportunity and the desire to be famous/important.

Politics; show business for the ugly.

Why keep pandering to them instead of just take it over? Clearly the ones who are being pandered to dont care or dont have the stones to do anything, or it would have changed, right? Has a single politician gone to jail over this, for protesting and being too crazy? I doubt it.

Public servants who are not willing to sacrifice their jobs to make a point are worthless.

Your personal attack that I am "pandering to the politicians" is unfounded and again illustrates the weakness of your position on the substance of the issue. I didn't even mention politicians/elections)

I suggest protest,in the streets to pressure the powers that be (and their libertarian privatization worshiping pol puppets) to serve the people.

I certainly do not recommend giving up the right to vote but I know we must fight house to house, hand to hand, in the street.

It's the only way to stop the corporatist libertarians and their right wing political puppets.

Thats not a comment on you, thats a comment on society, and in regards to their beliefs of things like this:

"Gotta keep the pressure on the right wing, extremist, conservative libertarians who worship privatization.
And we must support all progressive efforts to prevent that grab."

You are far from the only one who believes that is the core element of managing a society.

People can say that its insane to talk about taking it over, but really, at this point, what other choice is there?

The thing is, its going to happen eventually. People can only be pushed so far, and when you start to get to a point where they don;t have the basics of life, and there is enough of them to organize, thats when revolution happens. Its happened all throughout history and it will happen again.

Personally I would prefer to not put it into a government body, where is it will then be tied to everything.

Water is one of the most important aspects to our lives. Take it out of the government, run it how it is now, and don't sell the rights to a private company. Bakunin was one that always pushed for this type of management of society- dividing the essentials up into administrative cabinets etc - among other obvious but great ideas. Extremely decentralized, extremely powerful for the surrounding population,and extremely efficient.

When you want to tie it to everything else, via "government" it is no longer its own body, its tied to the machine with a thousand strings, and hence will operate accordingly. I do like the term "locally centralized", perhaps if we framed the decentralization argument that way, people wouldn't be so confused. (Im not going to touch the government and fair treatment of workers issue, because we all know who great government is at being fair).

Detroit isnt so much an example of something falling, as much as it the ones that previously held it, simply letting go.

If the people take it back, and then plug it right back into the same system it is currently in now, well, congrats on coming full circle.

Is it possible to envision a scenario where the public owned something, without the government's intrusion? This is a stretch for most Americans to think like this. But just remember:

Why would you want essential things like water being tied to the other 1000 aspects of government? I mean, you saw what happened when people tried to simply protest the state for the most horrific crimes of the century, right?

Locally centralized= decentralized (by most people's views). Its just a matter of how much political power and influence do want tied to something as basic as water? There is something called elasticity in things, of which water has very little wiggle room.

The physical aspects of most water works are already decentralized, each community having one. Its just the political ties and influence that are not, because its tied to this horrific concept of government.

Take that out of the mix, and this situation in Detroit would not be happening at all.

By what right should he ''not even be here''?! So just whoTF put you in charge of anything around here ?!! Haven't you and your Hitlary loving, DNC drones hounded enough people off this forum and called people ''trolls'' or worse - for not being compliant to The DNC & Likudnik goals that you seem to subscribe to ?!!!

So snooz, which bit was an actual lie then ?!!! Specifics would help your case, right ?!! Go on, do knock yourself out finding some links for that which you ass-ert ! Meanwhile, I'll just repeat myself verbatim ...

''Alluding to my 'honesty' and saying that I'm in 'support of stalkers and trolls', when you have put 2 and Two together and come up with 22 is your prerogative but have you EVER said anything in criticism of The Democratic Party on this OWS forum ?!!! Or have you ever made one post in criticism of Israel ?!! Gatekeeping for The DNC or Likudnik Zionism is your right - BUT do not expect such shilling not to be pointed out and resisted !'' From :

Is that all you've got ?!!! You know nothing of me or my ''neighbourhood'' ... other than which country it is in - let alone know anything of what I may or may not do here BUT your deep, visceral resentment that I may have the temerity to post on this forum, just chews you up right ?!! Calling up and trying to channel Trashy-Manque' only actually shows you for what you are ... desperate (like The Neoliberal Playground that Detroit has become, sadly) !!!

Good luck with all that but don't believe that Hitlary will help you there with any that, come 2016. OWS and agitating, educating and organising from the bottom up, is one of your and our, only hopes and 99% Solidarity IS Important - no doubt but d'you really think Hitlary has any of that ?

"In order to protect the water rights of Detroiters, as well as their rural brethren in the hills of Appalachia and people struggling all across this nation of ours, we have to care more about each other than the Kevyn Orr's of the world care about money."