Council sick days dramatically reduced in East lancashire

THE number of days taken off sick by council staff in East Lancashire has been dramatically driven down, new figures have revealed.

Hyndburn Borough Council has more than halved the time its workers call-in ill during the past ten years.

And reductions have also been reported by Blackburn with Darwen, Ribble Valley and Lancashire County councils.

All the authorities said they had seen a decrease through a combination of closer monitoring and health promotion activities.

For years high levels of absence for illness in public sector organisations compared to private companies has been a major problem.

According to accountancy firm Price Waterhouse Coopers nationally workers in the public sector took an average of 12 days off sick in 2010/2011, while private sector workers took 10 days.

Hyndburn however saw the number of days its 325 staff were off sick fall from 14 days in 2002/2003 to 6.02 in 2010/2011 and 5.81 days in 2011/12.

Blackburn with Darwen, with 2,800 staff, has seen its sickness rate per employee fall from 10.34 in 2007/2008 to 9.67 in 2010/2011 and 9.26 in 2011/2012. It's target for 2012/2013 is eight days.

Ribble Valley borough has also seen staff absence rates fall from 12.41 in 2002/2003 to 6.01 in 2011/2012, although it said the earlier figure had been affected by long term absences.

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Chorley has also seen big reduction in average days off sick, from 12.74 in 2002/2003 to 6.9 in 2010/2011 and 5.44 in 2011/2012.

Hyndburn said its success in more than halving sickness was thanks to a variety of initiatives including a special ‘Workplace Awareness Team’ which had worked with local GPs and NHS primary care staff to introduce lunchtime fitness events such as walking, cycling, netball and zumba.

It also has cancer and cholesterol awareness sessions and offers an over-40s special health MoT.

Council leader Miles Parkinson added: “Much of the success is just down to sound management, meaning staff know what’s expected of them, get thanked for doing a good job and are able to contribute their own ideas for making improvements or savings.”

Blackburn with Darwen’s resources chief Coun Andy Kay, said: “We have a robust system in place to monitor sickness rates and we are committed to reducing the numbers and actively looking at how this can be done.

“However, over the last two years we have been through some tough times as an organisation with people going through a period of great instability and the loss of 1,000 posts.

“This obviously places a great deal of pressure on our staff and their families, which also has an impact on health and absenteeism.”

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A Ribble Valley council spokesman said: "Our downward trend in sickness absence over the last 10 years is due to our pro-active approach to absence management, coupled with a long-term strategy of health promotion and health awareness for staff, featuring health awareness and advice features in our staff newsletter, annual health checks, the use of occupational health services and active health and safety management, such as risk assessments and health and safety training."

Elsewhere in East Lancashire, the Burnley figures fell from 13.3 days in 2004/2005 to 5.76 days in 2011/2012, Rossendale 8.7 days in 2007/2008 to 6.75 days in 2011/2012 and Pendle 10.6 days in 2003/04 to 6.628 in the current year.

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Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs. I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year. They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota. People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill. Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you. So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.

Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs.
I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year.
They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota.
People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill.
Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you.
So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.TONY WALES

Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs. I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year. They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota. People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill. Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you. So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.

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jack daniels says...12:01pm Tue 1 Jan 13

TONY WALES wrote…

Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs. I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year. They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota. People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill. Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you. So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.

Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.

[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote:
Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs.
I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year.
They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota.
People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill.
Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you.
So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.jack daniels

TONY WALES wrote…

Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs. I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year. They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota. People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill. Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you. So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.

Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.

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jack daniels says...12:10pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Three of the four examples given actually showed that in 2010/11 the public sector took less time off work than the private sector. When you consider that these staff get paid a full wage whether they are in or not, it shows the dedication, professionalism and value for money of these hard working people.

Three of the four examples given actually showed that in 2010/11 the public sector took less time off work than the private sector.
When you consider that these staff get paid a full wage whether they are in or not, it shows the dedication, professionalism and value for money of these hard working people.jack daniels

Three of the four examples given actually showed that in 2010/11 the public sector took less time off work than the private sector. When you consider that these staff get paid a full wage whether they are in or not, it shows the dedication, professionalism and value for money of these hard working people.

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TONY WALES says...12:37pm Tue 1 Jan 13

jack daniels wrote…

TONY WALES wrote…

Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs. I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year. They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota. People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill. Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you. So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.

Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.

Wonderful, what you can hear when you travel on the X43 bus in the morning to Manchester. You should try a trip. In fact several trips may be better. It's more than one person, who likes to go shopping. As reagards "simply bitter ramblings" I prefer the expression "the gravy train has hit the buffers". Welcome to the real world...... mate........get standing in Burnley Town Centre...and sell your matches

[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote:
Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs.
I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year.
They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota.
People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill.
Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you.
So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.[/p][/quote]Wonderful, what you can hear when you travel on the X43 bus in the morning to Manchester. You should try a trip. In fact several trips may be better.
It's more than one person, who likes to go shopping.
As reagards "simply bitter ramblings" I prefer the expression "the gravy train has hit the buffers".
Welcome to the real world...... mate........get standing in Burnley Town Centre...and sell your matchesTONY WALES

jack daniels wrote…

TONY WALES wrote…

Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs. I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year. They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota. People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill. Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you. So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.

Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.

Wonderful, what you can hear when you travel on the X43 bus in the morning to Manchester. You should try a trip. In fact several trips may be better. It's more than one person, who likes to go shopping. As reagards "simply bitter ramblings" I prefer the expression "the gravy train has hit the buffers". Welcome to the real world...... mate........get standing in Burnley Town Centre...and sell your matches

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jack daniels says...5:52pm Tue 1 Jan 13

TONY WALES wrote…

jack daniels wrote…

TONY WALES wrote…

Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs. I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year. They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota. People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill. Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you. So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.

Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.

Wonderful, what you can hear when you travel on the X43 bus in the morning to Manchester. You should try a trip. In fact several trips may be better. It's more than one person, who likes to go shopping. As reagards "simply bitter ramblings" I prefer the expression "the gravy train has hit the buffers". Welcome to the real world...... mate........get standing in Burnley Town Centre...and sell your matches

So you've based your opinion on what you overheard on the X43 bus? Priceless. You couldn't make it up! Then I'm clearly in conflict with somebody who is unable to distinguish between cold hard fact and what they have heard by listening in to other people's conversations. You probably think the Harry Potter films are real...

[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote:
Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs.
I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year.
They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota.
People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill.
Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you.
So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.[/p][/quote]Wonderful, what you can hear when you travel on the X43 bus in the morning to Manchester. You should try a trip. In fact several trips may be better.
It's more than one person, who likes to go shopping.
As reagards "simply bitter ramblings" I prefer the expression "the gravy train has hit the buffers".
Welcome to the real world...... mate........get standing in Burnley Town Centre...and sell your matches[/p][/quote]So you've based your opinion on what you overheard on the X43 bus?
Priceless. You couldn't make it up!
Then I'm clearly in conflict with somebody who is unable to distinguish between cold hard fact and what they have heard by listening in to other people's conversations.
You probably think the Harry Potter films are real...jack daniels

TONY WALES wrote…

jack daniels wrote…

TONY WALES wrote…

Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs. I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year. They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota. People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill. Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you. So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.

Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.

Wonderful, what you can hear when you travel on the X43 bus in the morning to Manchester. You should try a trip. In fact several trips may be better. It's more than one person, who likes to go shopping. As reagards "simply bitter ramblings" I prefer the expression "the gravy train has hit the buffers". Welcome to the real world...... mate........get standing in Burnley Town Centre...and sell your matches

So you've based your opinion on what you overheard on the X43 bus? Priceless. You couldn't make it up! Then I'm clearly in conflict with somebody who is unable to distinguish between cold hard fact and what they have heard by listening in to other people's conversations. You probably think the Harry Potter films are real...

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midas says...6:02pm Tue 1 Jan 13

There is no such thing as "allowance of sick days". . It would be interesting to see how many employees had more than 10 days on sick leave and how many had no sick days.

There is no such thing as "allowance of sick days".
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It would be interesting to see how many employees had more than 10 days on sick leave and how many had no sick days.midas

There is no such thing as "allowance of sick days". . It would be interesting to see how many employees had more than 10 days on sick leave and how many had no sick days.

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TONY WALES says...6:46pm Tue 1 Jan 13

jack daniels wrote…

TONY WALES wrote…

jack daniels wrote…

TONY WALES wrote…

Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs. I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year. They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota. People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill. Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you. So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.

Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.

Wonderful, what you can hear when you travel on the X43 bus in the morning to Manchester. You should try a trip. In fact several trips may be better. It's more than one person, who likes to go shopping. As reagards "simply bitter ramblings" I prefer the expression "the gravy train has hit the buffers". Welcome to the real world...... mate........get standing in Burnley Town Centre...and sell your matches

So you've based your opinion on what you overheard on the X43 bus? Priceless. You couldn't make it up! Then I'm clearly in conflict with somebody who is unable to distinguish between cold hard fact and what they have heard by listening in to other people's conversations. You probably think the Harry Potter films are real...

As they said in 1942 "Careless talk costs lives" In 2012 they should say "Careless talk cost jobs" Do you know how often I travel on the X43?............NO Stop defending your mates at the town hall. It has been proved that they are overstaffed and overpaid by many councils. How many staff have been given the boot in the last few years? The town has not been affected, people have not been dropping dead because these people have been given the boot. Nobody misses them. People get on with their lives without them. The world will not stop turning without them. Private companies and contractors when they submitted tenders and run the council service can do the job just as good at a much more competive price Calico run the council houses much better, and get rid of the bad tenants, something which the council never did As regards the figure for the days off per year. The staff know how to work the system. How many days they can have off before their boss will start asking them awkward questions, and put their name at the top of the list when the sackings start. .....

[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote:
Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs.
I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year.
They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota.
People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill.
Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you.
So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.[/p][/quote]Wonderful, what you can hear when you travel on the X43 bus in the morning to Manchester. You should try a trip. In fact several trips may be better.
It's more than one person, who likes to go shopping.
As reagards "simply bitter ramblings" I prefer the expression "the gravy train has hit the buffers".
Welcome to the real world...... mate........get standing in Burnley Town Centre...and sell your matches[/p][/quote]So you've based your opinion on what you overheard on the X43 bus?
Priceless. You couldn't make it up!
Then I'm clearly in conflict with somebody who is unable to distinguish between cold hard fact and what they have heard by listening in to other people's conversations.
You probably think the Harry Potter films are real...[/p][/quote]As they said in 1942 "Careless talk costs lives"
In 2012 they should say "Careless talk cost jobs"
Do you know how often I travel on the X43?............NO
Stop defending your mates at the town hall. It has been proved that they are overstaffed and overpaid by many councils. How many staff have been given the boot in the last few years?
The town has not been affected, people have not been dropping dead because these people have been given the boot. Nobody misses them. People get on with their lives without them. The world will not stop turning without them.
Private companies and contractors when they submitted tenders and run the council service can do the job just as good at a much more competive price
Calico run the council houses much better, and get rid of the bad tenants, something which the council never did
As regards the figure for the days off per year. The staff know how to work the system. How many days they can have off before their boss will start asking them awkward questions, and put their name at the top of the list when the sackings start.
.....TONY WALES

jack daniels wrote…

TONY WALES wrote…

jack daniels wrote…

TONY WALES wrote…

Wonderful, how so called public workers, who everybody knows have always "milked the system" for years as regards having time off work suddenly stop having so much time off, when they are afraid of losing their jobs. I know of workers at Burnley Town Hall, who took time off each year to use up their full allowance of sick days in a year. They took days off to go shopping in Manchester, and just said It's one of the perks of the job, and I get paid for so many sick days a year, so I am taking my full quota. People who are genuine, and ill, I don't mind, but if you are fit enough to walk around Manchester all day shopping, I don't think you are ill. Anyway some of you will soon be able to go shopping every day soon, after the council tax payers of Burnley, and the council get rid of you. So get down to the Jobcentre Plus, and look for a proper job like the rest of us.

Your little story sounds more like the act of an individual rather than the norm so we can disregard your statement as simply bitter ramblings.

Wonderful, what you can hear when you travel on the X43 bus in the morning to Manchester. You should try a trip. In fact several trips may be better. It's more than one person, who likes to go shopping. As reagards "simply bitter ramblings" I prefer the expression "the gravy train has hit the buffers". Welcome to the real world...... mate........get standing in Burnley Town Centre...and sell your matches

So you've based your opinion on what you overheard on the X43 bus? Priceless. You couldn't make it up! Then I'm clearly in conflict with somebody who is unable to distinguish between cold hard fact and what they have heard by listening in to other people's conversations. You probably think the Harry Potter films are real...

As they said in 1942 "Careless talk costs lives" In 2012 they should say "Careless talk cost jobs" Do you know how often I travel on the X43?............NO Stop defending your mates at the town hall. It has been proved that they are overstaffed and overpaid by many councils. How many staff have been given the boot in the last few years? The town has not been affected, people have not been dropping dead because these people have been given the boot. Nobody misses them. People get on with their lives without them. The world will not stop turning without them. Private companies and contractors when they submitted tenders and run the council service can do the job just as good at a much more competive price Calico run the council houses much better, and get rid of the bad tenants, something which the council never did As regards the figure for the days off per year. The staff know how to work the system. How many days they can have off before their boss will start asking them awkward questions, and put their name at the top of the list when the sackings start. .....

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mavrick says...9:22pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Tony I hope you sit back and read the bitter twisted, spiteful rants of a loser. You ignorance is typical of the newspaper talk. Some of your statements are pure and simple bile. I would suggest you have not got a clue what public services are and areas they cover. Until you are directly affected you will continue to advocate your interpretation of what everyone thinks. carry on reading your daily mail.

Tony I hope you sit back and read the bitter twisted, spiteful rants of a loser. You ignorance is typical of the newspaper talk. Some of your statements are pure and simple bile. I would suggest you have not got a clue what public services are and areas they cover. Until you are directly affected you will continue to advocate your interpretation of what everyone thinks. carry on reading your daily mail.mavrick

Tony I hope you sit back and read the bitter twisted, spiteful rants of a loser. You ignorance is typical of the newspaper talk. Some of your statements are pure and simple bile. I would suggest you have not got a clue what public services are and areas they cover. Until you are directly affected you will continue to advocate your interpretation of what everyone thinks. carry on reading your daily mail.

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jack daniels says...9:39pm Tue 1 Jan 13

@Tony Wales. It matters not how many times you take the bus - it's still drivel. How would careless talk cost jobs in this context? Is this something else you've rudely listened in on whilst conducting your days out? As for private companies doing a better job.... Olympic security spring to mind? What about services returning to Blackburn council from crapita? Maybe we can include that large 'private' old folks home business that closed last year or the job broker business that costs millions yet failed to reach their targets. A man should know his limitations and yours is watching the wheels on the bus go round and round..

@Tony Wales.
It matters not how many times you take the bus - it's still drivel.
How would careless talk cost jobs in this context? Is this something else you've rudely listened in on whilst conducting your days out?
As for private companies doing a better job....
Olympic security spring to mind? What about services returning to Blackburn council from crapita? Maybe we can include that large 'private' old folks home business that closed last year or the job broker business that costs millions yet failed to reach their targets.
A man should know his limitations and yours is watching the wheels on the bus go round and round..jack daniels

@Tony Wales. It matters not how many times you take the bus - it's still drivel. How would careless talk cost jobs in this context? Is this something else you've rudely listened in on whilst conducting your days out? As for private companies doing a better job.... Olympic security spring to mind? What about services returning to Blackburn council from crapita? Maybe we can include that large 'private' old folks home business that closed last year or the job broker business that costs millions yet failed to reach their targets. A man should know his limitations and yours is watching the wheels on the bus go round and round..

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JB40 says...9:42pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Don't tar everyone with the same brush. I've known a couple of staff take lengthy sick periods due to major surgery and others take none the number of days are worked out based on number of staff in team so do not reflect true record so why not spend your time more wisely than accusing all council workers of being lazy chests. Next time you listen in on someone's conversation lets hope it's the one where council worker Is on a days leave that they have had to pay for! Yes why not research that one instead!!

Don't tar everyone with the same brush. I've known a couple of staff take lengthy sick periods due to major surgery and others take none the number of days are worked out based on number of staff in team so do not reflect true record so why not spend your time more wisely than accusing all council workers of being lazy chests. Next time you listen in on someone's conversation lets hope it's the one where council worker Is on a days leave that they have had to pay for! Yes why not research that one instead!!JB40

Don't tar everyone with the same brush. I've known a couple of staff take lengthy sick periods due to major surgery and others take none the number of days are worked out based on number of staff in team so do not reflect true record so why not spend your time more wisely than accusing all council workers of being lazy chests. Next time you listen in on someone's conversation lets hope it's the one where council worker Is on a days leave that they have had to pay for! Yes why not research that one instead!!

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Good call says...9:59pm Tue 1 Jan 13

jack daniels wrote…

@Tony Wales. It matters not how many times you take the bus - it's still drivel. How would careless talk cost jobs in this context? Is this something else you've rudely listened in on whilst conducting your days out? As for private companies doing a better job.... Olympic security spring to mind? What about services returning to Blackburn council from crapita? Maybe we can include that large 'private' old folks home business that closed last year or the job broker business that costs millions yet failed to reach their targets. A man should know his limitations and yours is watching the wheels on the bus go round and round..

Well said JD.Maybe people will be happy when the police force has been privatised and we have G4S,Serco or Crapita goons walking the streets.

[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote:
@Tony Wales.
It matters not how many times you take the bus - it's still drivel.
How would careless talk cost jobs in this context? Is this something else you've rudely listened in on whilst conducting your days out?
As for private companies doing a better job....
Olympic security spring to mind? What about services returning to Blackburn council from crapita? Maybe we can include that large 'private' old folks home business that closed last year or the job broker business that costs millions yet failed to reach their targets.
A man should know his limitations and yours is watching the wheels on the bus go round and round..[/p][/quote]Well said JD.Maybe people will be happy when the police force has been privatised and we have G4S,Serco or Crapita goons walking the streets.Good call

jack daniels wrote…

@Tony Wales. It matters not how many times you take the bus - it's still drivel. How would careless talk cost jobs in this context? Is this something else you've rudely listened in on whilst conducting your days out? As for private companies doing a better job.... Olympic security spring to mind? What about services returning to Blackburn council from crapita? Maybe we can include that large 'private' old folks home business that closed last year or the job broker business that costs millions yet failed to reach their targets. A man should know his limitations and yours is watching the wheels on the bus go round and round..

Well said JD.Maybe people will be happy when the police force has been privatised and we have G4S,Serco or Crapita goons walking the streets.

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TONY WALES says...10:29am Wed 2 Jan 13

Check the figures for the % decrease in the number of sick days off work. You either believe the second messiah has arrived, who is curing people who are ill, and people suddenly decide they are not going to take so many sick days off work, namely because they fear they may lose their jobs. Or else my mate, Harry Potter, who I read on the X43 bus to Manchester, every day, and listen to people talking at the same time, has cast a spell on the council workers. Which one? What people do not understand is that the goose is no longer laying golden eggs anymore. You may not like companies like GS4, and Capita running your services, but that is the way the country will be run in future from now on. To save money on public services. You can have as many strikes and working to rules as you want. You will not change the government plans. The only thing you can do is wait until the next election, and maybe change the government. So stop moaning, get on with with it, and either get to the Jobcentre Plus, or start to sell matches in Burnley Town Centre.

Check the figures for the % decrease in the number of sick days off work.
You either believe the second messiah has arrived, who is curing people who are ill, and people suddenly decide they are not going to take so many sick days off work, namely because they fear they may lose their jobs.
Or else my mate, Harry Potter, who I read on the X43 bus to Manchester, every day, and listen to people talking at the same time, has cast a spell on the council workers.
Which one?
What people do not understand is that the goose is no longer laying golden eggs anymore. You may not like companies like GS4, and Capita running your services, but that is the way the country will be run in future from now on. To save money on public services. You can have as many strikes and working to rules as you want. You will not change the government plans.
The only thing you can do is wait until the next election, and maybe change the government. So stop moaning, get on with with it, and either get to the Jobcentre Plus, or start to sell matches in Burnley Town Centre.TONY WALES

Check the figures for the % decrease in the number of sick days off work. You either believe the second messiah has arrived, who is curing people who are ill, and people suddenly decide they are not going to take so many sick days off work, namely because they fear they may lose their jobs. Or else my mate, Harry Potter, who I read on the X43 bus to Manchester, every day, and listen to people talking at the same time, has cast a spell on the council workers. Which one? What people do not understand is that the goose is no longer laying golden eggs anymore. You may not like companies like GS4, and Capita running your services, but that is the way the country will be run in future from now on. To save money on public services. You can have as many strikes and working to rules as you want. You will not change the government plans. The only thing you can do is wait until the next election, and maybe change the government. So stop moaning, get on with with it, and either get to the Jobcentre Plus, or start to sell matches in Burnley Town Centre.

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jack daniels says...1:27pm Wed 2 Jan 13

TONY WALES wrote…

Check the figures for the % decrease in the number of sick days off work. You either believe the second messiah has arrived, who is curing people who are ill, and people suddenly decide they are not going to take so many sick days off work, namely because they fear they may lose their jobs. Or else my mate, Harry Potter, who I read on the X43 bus to Manchester, every day, and listen to people talking at the same time, has cast a spell on the council workers. Which one? What people do not understand is that the goose is no longer laying golden eggs anymore. You may not like companies like GS4, and Capita running your services, but that is the way the country will be run in future from now on. To save money on public services. You can have as many strikes and working to rules as you want. You will not change the government plans. The only thing you can do is wait until the next election, and maybe change the government. So stop moaning, get on with with it, and either get to the Jobcentre Plus, or start to sell matches in Burnley Town Centre.

Nobody is disputing the figures, people are just disputing the moronic basis for your argument - which is overheard comments on your little bus trips to the big city. What we can clearly see however, is the good practice now being employed by the council when dealing with sickness (All the authorities said they had seen a decrease through a combination of closer monitoring and health promotion activities) and how it has resulted in reduced sickness levels, which in some cases, are less than the private sector. Not only that Tony, but not everybody want's sub-standard private sector involvement and I seem to recall that this current government was not voted in on these policies. They where not voted in at all. If capita were so good, why are a cash starved blackburn council cancelling the contracts with them? TBH - I thought you where just Trolling for the fun of it but with this latest comment I can now see that you really are simply out of your depth.

[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote:
Check the figures for the % decrease in the number of sick days off work. You either believe the second messiah has arrived, who is curing people who are ill, and people suddenly decide they are not going to take so many sick days off work, namely because they fear they may lose their jobs. Or else my mate, Harry Potter, who I read on the X43 bus to Manchester, every day, and listen to people talking at the same time, has cast a spell on the council workers. Which one? What people do not understand is that the goose is no longer laying golden eggs anymore. You may not like companies like GS4, and Capita running your services, but that is the way the country will be run in future from now on. To save money on public services. You can have as many strikes and working to rules as you want. You will not change the government plans. The only thing you can do is wait until the next election, and maybe change the government. So stop moaning, get on with with it, and either get to the Jobcentre Plus, or start to sell matches in Burnley Town Centre.[/p][/quote]Nobody is disputing the figures, people are just disputing the moronic basis for your argument - which is overheard comments on your little bus trips to the big city.
What we can clearly see however, is the good practice now being employed by the council when dealing with sickness (All the authorities said they had seen a decrease through a combination of closer monitoring and health promotion activities) and how it has resulted in reduced sickness levels, which in some cases, are less than the private sector.
Not only that Tony, but not everybody want's sub-standard private sector involvement and I seem to recall that this current government was not voted in on these policies.
They where not voted in at all.
If capita were so good, why are a cash starved blackburn council cancelling the contracts with them?
TBH - I thought you where just Trolling for the fun of it but with this latest comment I can now see that you really are simply out of your depth.jack daniels

TONY WALES wrote…

Check the figures for the % decrease in the number of sick days off work. You either believe the second messiah has arrived, who is curing people who are ill, and people suddenly decide they are not going to take so many sick days off work, namely because they fear they may lose their jobs. Or else my mate, Harry Potter, who I read on the X43 bus to Manchester, every day, and listen to people talking at the same time, has cast a spell on the council workers. Which one? What people do not understand is that the goose is no longer laying golden eggs anymore. You may not like companies like GS4, and Capita running your services, but that is the way the country will be run in future from now on. To save money on public services. You can have as many strikes and working to rules as you want. You will not change the government plans. The only thing you can do is wait until the next election, and maybe change the government. So stop moaning, get on with with it, and either get to the Jobcentre Plus, or start to sell matches in Burnley Town Centre.

Nobody is disputing the figures, people are just disputing the moronic basis for your argument - which is overheard comments on your little bus trips to the big city. What we can clearly see however, is the good practice now being employed by the council when dealing with sickness (All the authorities said they had seen a decrease through a combination of closer monitoring and health promotion activities) and how it has resulted in reduced sickness levels, which in some cases, are less than the private sector. Not only that Tony, but not everybody want's sub-standard private sector involvement and I seem to recall that this current government was not voted in on these policies. They where not voted in at all. If capita were so good, why are a cash starved blackburn council cancelling the contracts with them? TBH - I thought you where just Trolling for the fun of it but with this latest comment I can now see that you really are simply out of your depth.

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TONY WALES says...3:57pm Wed 2 Jan 13

How do you know that my only source of informtion is what I have heard on the bus? I could work for a local council for all you know about me. My next door neighbour could work for the local council, my children could work for the council. Really to make comments about me, you need to know more about me. Only a fool judges a book by the cover. As regards what councils are doing about giving contracts to private firms, have you never heard about corrupt people who work for councils in Lancashire. You dont hear this on the bus, you can read and listen on TV, about such people. Has nobody on Blackburn council ever accepted a bribe. Has anyBlackburn council member ever appeared in court, on a corruption charge? Or do you only beliieve what you want to hear, and dismiss the rest as rubbish? As regards careful monitoring and promotion of better health, I suggest you go to visit A and E at your local hospital at midnight next Saturday night, after walking throough your town centre, alone. Then ask your councils to monitor, and promote better health, to the people who you meet during the evening. After all if they are so good at improving the workers health, sorting the rest of the population should not be a problem. Admit it, at the end of the day the people are afraid to lose their jobs by having too much time off.

How do you know that my only source of informtion is what I have heard on the bus? I could work for a local council for all you know about me.
My next door neighbour could work for the local council, my children could work for the council. Really to make comments about me, you need to know more about me. Only a fool judges a book by the cover.
As regards what councils are doing about giving contracts to private firms, have you never heard about corrupt people who work for councils in Lancashire. You dont hear this on the bus, you can read and listen on TV, about such people. Has nobody on Blackburn council ever accepted a bribe. Has anyBlackburn council member ever appeared in court, on a corruption charge?
Or do you only beliieve what you want to hear, and dismiss the rest as rubbish?
As regards careful monitoring and promotion of better health, I suggest you go to visit A and E at your local hospital at midnight next Saturday night, after walking throough your town centre, alone. Then ask your councils to monitor, and promote better health, to the people who you meet during the evening. After all if they are so good at improving the workers health, sorting the rest of the population should not be a problem.
Admit it, at the end of the day the people are afraid to lose their jobs by having too much time off.TONY WALES

How do you know that my only source of informtion is what I have heard on the bus? I could work for a local council for all you know about me. My next door neighbour could work for the local council, my children could work for the council. Really to make comments about me, you need to know more about me. Only a fool judges a book by the cover. As regards what councils are doing about giving contracts to private firms, have you never heard about corrupt people who work for councils in Lancashire. You dont hear this on the bus, you can read and listen on TV, about such people. Has nobody on Blackburn council ever accepted a bribe. Has anyBlackburn council member ever appeared in court, on a corruption charge? Or do you only beliieve what you want to hear, and dismiss the rest as rubbish? As regards careful monitoring and promotion of better health, I suggest you go to visit A and E at your local hospital at midnight next Saturday night, after walking throough your town centre, alone. Then ask your councils to monitor, and promote better health, to the people who you meet during the evening. After all if they are so good at improving the workers health, sorting the rest of the population should not be a problem. Admit it, at the end of the day the people are afraid to lose their jobs by having too much time off.

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Good call says...6:55pm Wed 2 Jan 13

TONY WALES wrote…

Check the figures for the % decrease in the number of sick days off work. You either believe the second messiah has arrived, who is curing people who are ill, and people suddenly decide they are not going to take so many sick days off work, namely because they fear they may lose their jobs. Or else my mate, Harry Potter, who I read on the X43 bus to Manchester, every day, and listen to people talking at the same time, has cast a spell on the council workers. Which one? What people do not understand is that the goose is no longer laying golden eggs anymore. You may not like companies like GS4, and Capita running your services, but that is the way the country will be run in future from now on. To save money on public services. You can have as many strikes and working to rules as you want. You will not change the government plans. The only thing you can do is wait until the next election, and maybe change the government. So stop moaning, get on with with it, and either get to the Jobcentre Plus, or start to sell matches in Burnley Town Centre.

G4S ****ed up the Olympic security, so i am not happy with them running public services such as police custody suites Crapita, working for TV Licensing, harrass and threaten householders, so i am not happy with them being given contracts for assessing disability benefit claims. Why should we just get on with it.

[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote:
Check the figures for the % decrease in the number of sick days off work.
You either believe the second messiah has arrived, who is curing people who are ill, and people suddenly decide they are not going to take so many sick days off work, namely because they fear they may lose their jobs.
Or else my mate, Harry Potter, who I read on the X43 bus to Manchester, every day, and listen to people talking at the same time, has cast a spell on the council workers.
Which one?
What people do not understand is that the goose is no longer laying golden eggs anymore. You may not like companies like GS4, and Capita running your services, but that is the way the country will be run in future from now on. To save money on public services. You can have as many strikes and working to rules as you want. You will not change the government plans.
The only thing you can do is wait until the next election, and maybe change the government. So stop moaning, get on with with it, and either get to the Jobcentre Plus, or start to sell matches in Burnley Town Centre.[/p][/quote]G4S ****ed up the Olympic security, so i am not happy with them running public services such as police custody suites
Crapita, working for TV Licensing, harrass and threaten householders, so i am not happy with them being given contracts for assessing disability benefit claims.
Why should we just get on with it.Good call

TONY WALES wrote…

Check the figures for the % decrease in the number of sick days off work. You either believe the second messiah has arrived, who is curing people who are ill, and people suddenly decide they are not going to take so many sick days off work, namely because they fear they may lose their jobs. Or else my mate, Harry Potter, who I read on the X43 bus to Manchester, every day, and listen to people talking at the same time, has cast a spell on the council workers. Which one? What people do not understand is that the goose is no longer laying golden eggs anymore. You may not like companies like GS4, and Capita running your services, but that is the way the country will be run in future from now on. To save money on public services. You can have as many strikes and working to rules as you want. You will not change the government plans. The only thing you can do is wait until the next election, and maybe change the government. So stop moaning, get on with with it, and either get to the Jobcentre Plus, or start to sell matches in Burnley Town Centre.

G4S ****ed up the Olympic security, so i am not happy with them running public services such as police custody suites Crapita, working for TV Licensing, harrass and threaten householders, so i am not happy with them being given contracts for assessing disability benefit claims. Why should we just get on with it.

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