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There's a terrific story in Marine Corp Lore about Anthony gale the 4th commandant of the Marine Corps. He was appointed and was such a terrible commandant, they removed and him and just kept pressing forward, removing most information and all photos of him.

There a are some places in the Marine Corps Universe where they have a wall of commadant history, just like you would see of all the presidents in like a federal building. And all these places have a 4th blank frame, representing the fact we acknowledge this guy, but just don't talk about it. Maybe some young Marines who reddit can snap a photo, it's kinda funny to see.

The charges against Gale were dated September 11, 1820. The first was that Gale was publicly intoxicated in the city of Washington on six specified dates during August, including August 31, two days after his arrest.[25] The second charge was of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman. There were three specifications: first, that Gale had visited a house of prostitution near the Marine Barracks "in open and disgraceful manner" on that same August 31; second, that he had on September 1 - a date on which he was in custody - called Lieutenant Richard M. Desha, the Corps' Paymaster and son of Congressman Joseph Desha of Kentucky [19] - who had earlier charged Gale with misappropriation [25] - "a damned rascal, liar and coward" and threatening him with personal chastisement unless he would immediately challenge and fight him;[26] and, finally, that he had declared in front of the Marine Barracks "that he did not care a damn for the President, Jesus Christ or God Almighty!" The third charge was that Gale had signed a false certificate that said he had not used a Marine for personal services when in fact he had had a man assigned as waiter and coachman from October 17, 1819, until June 3, 1820. The fourth and final charge was that Gale had broken arrest "at sundry times" between September 1 and 8 while he was confined to quarters.[26]

Actually they don't have a copy of his likeness, no official portrait or anything remains. He was fired for poor performance but we simply don't know what he looked like. The lore developed around why they don't have the picture, which is typical of Marine Corps humour.

In this case I would guess the lore is at least loosely true. He served in the role for almost a year and a half, so it is doubtful that no official portrait was ever made. Most likely his official portrait was removed, then just eventually lost, rather than an official attempt to wipe him from history.

Very cool. And while there, everyone should pay close attention to the image of current commander, General Robert B. Neller. It's absolutely terrifying. It's like he sees you looking at his image and and he's going to kill you for it. It's in the link above but this is the image itself. Zoom in if you dare.

for sure gonna ask my friends in the marines the next time I see any of them about him. We had the list of the U.S. Army upper chain of command in the JROTC armoury at my high school including the president, can't imagine walking in and seeing Trump's face on the wall every morning.

I can’t speak to your experiences, but as a born and bred suburbanite, things are different for me compared to the rural minority. For the most part, those families moved to the area for a specific job (like coal mining or farm work, whatever you pick as an example) and settled down with their entire family. These blue collar jobs would employ large groups for fair-ish wages and helped grow our national industry. Thanks to automation and other externalities like trade tariffs and global cost of labor, these jobs are gone and you see whole families devastated because they’ve created an identity in both the town they live and the job they do. Where, once, 12 of 20 people in an extended family would work at a factory/farm/whatever, now you see only 2 of 20. Those 10 people are now unemployed and angry, being forced to go onto government benefits to feed themselves.

You can tell them until you’re blue in the face that those jobs are gone, but they’ve refused vocational re-education or the idea of relocating (which comes with its own huge issues) in the hopes that they can resume a blue collar life like their parents/grandparents had. That just isn’t going to happen again in my lifetime, but proving that to them is difficult.

Here’s where the disconnect comes: when they’re laid off, they’re told it’s because of “jobs moving overseas” or “globalism”, then they hear that on the “news” as well (one of which blames all of that on “the liberals”). They don’t fully understand why the blue collar jobs are gone, just that it isn’t their fault and now they have to work even harder to make a new (low-middle class) life for themselves; that’s a huge blow for someone who has a large family to care for. Propaganda is then shown to them that tells them that “republicans wanna bring back your jobs!” and, though that isn’t true for many reasons, they believe it is and that’s what matters (where the D’s say things like “those jobs are gone, but let’s get you a different job in a few months after some hard work on your part.”)

There’s much more to it than just “jobs are gone”, but that is one of the largest motivators for a rural population.

(I can source any claims I made, for the most part, or I’m happy to discuss them)

I mean, as I recall WHH was pretty influential in his time. Tippecanoe and all that. In fact, if my half remembered history lessons are correct, he's one of the primary reasons we got into the war of 1812.

I like how they think the literal Anti-Christ was president for 8 years and then just left. Like, "have marginally better healthcare and more government spying" and that was all the Anti-Christ felt like doing. Got the country to elect him. Twice! Then just goes home at the end of it with the country in pretty much the same place as it was before.

the history textbook covered 9/11 in my highschool class of 07, don't think we really went over it, because that was middle school for us, but touched on some stuff up to clinton/bush sr, it was pretty up to date.

I don't think so. Benjamin Franklin was well known in his time for banging tons of chicks, and also for his personal taste for older women as well. Just like how JFK was banging Monroe in White House closets, current contemporary politics will mostly reside in some wacky factbook in 50 years.

I think that's still too close. It's going to be around 2040-2060 by the time the stench of this entire lost decade has worn off and we can fully see the spectrum and ramifications that this has all had. I'll be around my 60s then. Gonna be great to tell the grandkids about

Honestly I was laughing at that tweet he made, nothing makes a person look more insecure and dumber when they have to constantly compliment themself and assure the public on their mental well-being. A person at an insane asylum could run up to me screaming that they're not crazy, he could be right, but his surroundings tell a different story.

I'd be more willing to forgive someone talking to me like that in an actual conversation. I have a similar problem when my mouth speaks faster than my brain so my mouth says extra things in order for my brain to come up with a coherent sentence that get my thoughts across, which in turn makes me sound less intelligent. But I'm a simple baker. In the grand scheme of things what I do isn't important. Especially compared to the fucking president of the United States. When he has (in theory) an unlimited amount of time to compose a tweet to make him sound intelligent. He can draft that 100 times if he really wanted to, he is 100% positive the tweet he composed is perfect and he uses the term "like" when describing his mental health when the American people are concerned about the man running the country. Are you kidding me? How did we get here?

I think due to the constant presence of flunkies and that he’s only semi-literate, he dictates some of his tweets. I think this is one of them. The fact that he correctly punctuated an interjection is a dead giveaway. He’d never put those commas there if he typed it himself. I think he shouted it across the room as someone else with better language skills typed what he said.

I've never understood that "like a bitch," line. Is he supposed to be the bitch in that context, or is she? If it was her, wouldn't it be "like she was a bitch?" It just seems like he's calling himself a bitch which, for Trump, is unbelievably self-deprecating. I'm probably putting too much thought into it, but it bugs me.

I was reading Fire and Fury and one of the points the author makes is that Trump actually is known to sometimes use self-deprecating humor. I do believe he is calling himself the bitch, saying he desperately pursued this woman.

It's a little strange reading all this because even Reddit's own Ask Reddit question, plus countless accounts from journalists before and after the election conclude the same thing: Trump is really personable in real life.

Well, yes and no. Many accounts allege that Trump has two distinct sides to him. He is at times a personable schmoozer who is excellent at flattery and praise, and at times he is a childish, self-obsessed tyrant, abusing whoever comes between him and what he wants.

If smug fucker was in the dictionary, his picture would be right next to it. His approach is also very anti-PC, so it reflects on people's opinions of him. That said, I still think he makes a lot of great points and enjoy his commentary.

I do agree, he is a smug fucker. I still like it though. I think someone as unapologetic as him, someone who enjoys the little "fuck you"'s in life is what the left needs. The right is where they are because if unapologetic talk shows and radio hosts and a constant media stream to the masses telling them stuff, if the left wants to regain momentum then we need to do the same.

I think this is put pretty well. He definitely annoys me quite a bit and is definitely a huge ass sometimes, but more often than not he says what needs to be said. Occasionally he says what doesn't need to be said. But mostly I like that he invites people on his show who don't agree with him and gives them a chance to make their case.

His mannerisms both physically and in speech were dead-on. He just happens to have a Kermit-esque voice. There were a few miliseconds where he nailed the voice. But he really did a great job besides his physical limitations.

He’s a fucking old man too. Older than Hillary and barely younger than Bernie. They are all within five years of each other. It makes you wonder how people get to be that old and still can’t get it right.

On the other hand it continues to shock me that I could have theoretically been in school with Kim Jong Un. He is 33!

It gets worse. A lot of people focus on the pussy grabbing but not enough on the fact that she was married.

“Trump liked to say that one of the things that made life worth living was getting your friends’ wives into bed”.

“In pursuing a friend’s wife,” Wolff wrote, “he would try to persuade the wife that her husband was perhaps not what she thought.

“Then he’d have his secretary ask the friend into his office; once the friend arrived, Trump would engage in what was, for him, more or less constant sexual banter.

“‘Do you still like having sex with your wife? How often? You must have had a better f*** than your wife? Tell me about it. I have girls coming in from Los Angeles at three o’clock. We can go upstairs and have a great time. I promise ...’

“All the while, Trump would have his friend’s wife on the speakerphone, listening in.”

Trump went around breaking families of his so called friends just to get his dick off. He is a sick man.

I imagine a few guys would just go along with it to shut him up. Men like Trump need approval.

Have you never had that really annoying friend? The one that goes on and on and on about the must stupid thing. You ignore them, then they just talk more. Nudging you and motioning with their head. The only thing that silences them is "Heh. Yeah." Then they're satisfied.

I mean... sure everyone says some stupid horrible things by accident. I think people gave GWB a lot of shit for the stupid things he said, but they were one off things where he clearly lost his head for a few seconds. Trump on the other hand... I mean look at this quote, it clearly was intentional, and any sentence in the quote is completely and totally abhorrent. A normal person saying one sentence from that quote by accident, would realize "oh shit I shouldn't have said that," but he just keeps going

I love the comebacks “better then Hillary” or anything to do with her. Those comebacks make it all ok. Trump could open our shorelines to oil drilling, give trillions to the top 1%, end regulations protecting our environment, burn our world to the ground and they’ll still say “better then Hillary”.

Honestly, the election was more about who you didn't want to be President. Most folks who voted Trump didn't actually like him. He was just the one who wasn't a staunch Democrat and the living embodiment of 'the system'. Likewise, most Democrats didn't seem to actually want Hillary, they just really didn't want Trump because of both his politics and who he is as a person.

The Republican party is a political marriage of the seething cultural resentment of the base and the salivating greed of the elites.

You make a big fuss about cultural issues that you can't really do anything about in order to rope in the millions of bitter rural voters, then once in office you do the actual policy work for the moneyed class, secure in the knowledge that the base is going to support you no matter what.

Whilst I'm not going to give any fuel to those silly comebacks. I want to stress that Trump did not get more support than earlier republican candidates. He was very unpopular. The problem was that Hillary was even less popular. The Democrats lost the election moreso than the republicans winning it.

That's what scares the shit out of half of the US and most of the rest of the world.

Roughly half of the voting population seriously thought Trump was more deserving and capable a presidential candidate than Hillary Clinton.

Moreover, they found her mostly vague and unproven scandals to be worse than his lawsuits, this quote, his clear lack of any actual policy, his mocking of disabled people, encouraging of violence and treason, etc.

I don't like Hillary, Put it this way: I'm a Canadian and she'd have been 3rd or 4th for me if she'd run in our last federal elections. But that Donald Trump, after over a year of intense scrutiny, still seemed like a better statesman and politician than her to tens of millions of Americans is appalling. It speaks extremely negative of both their morality and their intellect.

Except she wasn't. She won the popular vote by 3 million votes. That's larger than George W Bush, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, and JFK. It's not the biggest margin ever, but it's respectable.

Donald Trump is due to a variety of factors, but "he was more popular than Hillary" is not one of them. It's time we take a seriously hard look at gerrymandering, voter exclusion laws, and other un-democratic tripe that's wormed its way into our system.

It's time we take a seriously hard look at gerrymandering, voter exclusion laws, and other un-democratic tripe that's wormed its way into our system.

Not merely wormed into the system but exploitation of what's already baked into it from the beginning by the establishment of the Electoral College, a decent system for a time when election by popular vote was problematic for a number of reasons as well as a compromise toward state-based government. Ultimately, though, this comes out to the simple fact that the value of a vote differs by state, negatively correlated with population. Over three and a half Californian votes have the power as one Wyoming vote. As such, a candidate that wins a majority of the national popular vote, like Clinton, will lose time and again to a candidate with majority of votes in enough less-populated states.

But to change to the more democratic election by popular vote, now a possibility, would radically shift political power in the United States to the most populous states in the union, with both parties appealing to the interests of Californian, Texan, Floridan, and New York voters to the near elimination of appeal to central and mid-west voters.

I think instead of getting rid of the electoral vote entirely, just make it percentage based. I'm a liberal from Missouri so my vote in the presidential election doesn't really matter.

Missouri gets 10 electoral votes so the math should be easy here. In the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton got about 40% of the vote, while Donald Trump got 60%. Under the current system, Donnie gets 10 votes and Hillary gets nothing. Going with percentages, Trump gets 6 votes, while Clinton would get 4.

In California, Trump would have actually gotten 17 votes to Clinton's 34. In Alabama, Hillary would have gotten 3 votes, with Trump getting 6. Florida would see them split the vote at 14 apiece.

I'm not done crunching the numbers just yet, but it is fascinating to point out that Gary Johnson picks up a few votes under this system. Jill Stein even picks up a vote from California. And I think Evan McMullen would get one from Nevada.

I was a lot closer to being finished, but my computer whacked out on me so I'm only to Florida, alphabetically.

Edit To add to this, the reason I started doing this was I wanted to see how things could have gone under a slightly different system than what we currently have, based off of information that I had. The conversation about the electoral college intrigued me. While only part of the way through my research, I am quite excited about how the third party candidates are getting votes, which if this system was implemented, could get us out of the two party system. Which of course, is why it wouldn't happen. I also think that the potential voters from states where their vote wouldn't really matter (like Democrats from Missouri, Alabama, and Texas, or Republicans from New York or California) would be more likely to actually get out and vote. Doesn't 5% not mattering sound better than 45% not mattering?

TIL President Trump fired former North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un's assassin Dennis Rodman twice on his reality tv show the Apprentice before hiring him to take out the despot

TIL When football was still legal President Trump once took a novelty football league and used it to attempt to sue the NFL but was only awarded $1

TIL President Donald Trump announced his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists and then later demanded that a judge born in Indiana be thrown of his case for having Mexican heritage but still wasn't considered racist in his time

TIL President Trump once hired a task force of private investigators to locate former President Obama's birth certificate

TIL President Trump offered to have sex with King William's mother Diana if she would get tested for AIDs first

JFK would make interns give blowjobs to whichever diplomat or cabinet member happened to be around at the time.

Yes, Kennedy at least acted like a President should publicly, and that is something that I’m dying to see out of Trump, but very few of these men were saints, and many were pretty shitty people in general.