Just when I had given up on this new match - boom! - I got a nice email from him this morning! Nothing earth-shaking yet, but he is apparently the first cousin of my earlier Beddoes 65/67 match.

He is still in the early learning stages of genetic genealogy, but at least we are exchanging emails now.

That's good news, I have a couple of matches at 37 loci who won't communicate with me so I know how frustrating it can be !!

Thanks!

I filled him in on the information you found for me out of Cardeston, Shropshire, that is part of this thread's original post. Remember that? That was three, nearly four, years ago! This is certainly not a hobby for the impatient or those who bounce from one thing to another.

Just when I had given up on this new match - boom! - I got a nice email from him this morning! Nothing earth-shaking yet, but he is apparently the first cousin of my earlier Beddoes 65/67 match.

He is still in the early learning stages of genetic genealogy, but at least we are exchanging emails now.

That's good news, I have a couple of matches at 37 loci who won't communicate with me so I know how frustrating it can be !!

Thanks!

I filled him in on the information you found for me out of Cardeston, Shropshire, that is part of this thread's original post. Remember that? That was three, nearly four, years ago! This is certainly not a hobby for the impatient or those who bounce from one thing to another.

Hopefully, he'll be interested.

Yes very well, I got that info out of Ancestry's parish records CD for Shropshire. Unfortunately they've stopped doing those now but I look through Ebay from time to time looking for the Staffordshire one.

Just when I had given up on this new match - boom! - I got a nice email from him this morning! Nothing earth-shaking yet, but he is apparently the first cousin of my earlier Beddoes 65/67 match.

He is still in the early learning stages of genetic genealogy, but at least we are exchanging emails now.

That's good news, I have a couple of matches at 37 loci who won't communicate with me so I know how frustrating it can be !!

Thanks!

I filled him in on the information you found for me out of Cardeston, Shropshire, that is part of this thread's original post. Remember that? That was three, nearly four, years ago! This is certainly not a hobby for the impatient or those who bounce from one thing to another.

Hopefully, he'll be interested.

Yes very well, I got that info out of Ancestry's parish records CD for Shropshire. Unfortunately they've stopped doing those now but I look through Ebay from time to time looking for the Staffordshire one.

I haven't heard from this most recent Beddoes match since 02 December. But what is interesting is that one of my exact 12-marker matches, who has also tested DF41+, just got his 67-marker upgrade, and we're a 63/67 match. Not bad! His surname is Samuel, and what is really interesting is that his most distant y ancestor came from Powys, Wales.

He matches some of my other close matches more closely than I do, so there is something interesting going on there. One of them is my Stephens with a "ph" match: Samuel is two off him, and I am three off.

Given my other matches with persons with known Welsh surnames - Beddoes, Price - I am really becoming convinced that my immigrant y-dna ancestor may have come from Wales. Don't know for sure, but the evidence seems to be mounting.

I think the key here is the relatively late adoption of fixed surnames in Wales and the common use of patronymics; that way you can get some closely y-related folks with a number of different surnames.

I haven't heard from this most recent Beddoes match since 02 December. But what is interesting is that one of my exact 12-marker matches, who has also tested DF41+, just got his 67-marker upgrade, and we're a 63/67 match. Not bad! His surname is Samuel, and what is really interesting is that his most distant y ancestor came from Powys, Wales.

He matches some of my other close matches more closely than I do, so there is something interesting going on there. One of them is my Stephens with a "ph" match: Samuel is two off him, and I am three off.

Given my other matches with persons with known Welsh surnames - Beddoes, Price - I am really becoming convinced that my immigrant y-dna ancestor may have come from Wales. Don't know for sure, but the evidence seems to be mounting.

I think the key here is the relatively late adoption of fixed surnames in Wales and the common use of patronymics; that way you can get some closely y-related folks with a number of different surnames.

The distance of four from Samuel comes on three fast-mutating markers: CDY, 413, and 557. We have two differences at CDY, which is notoriously changeable, one at 413, and one at 557.

I haven't heard from this most recent Beddoes match since 02 December. But what is interesting is that one of my exact 12-marker matches, who has also tested DF41+, just got his 67-marker upgrade, and we're a 63/67 match. Not bad! His surname is Samuel, and what is really interesting is that his most distant y ancestor came from Powys, Wales.

He matches some of my other close matches more closely than I do, so there is something interesting going on there. One of them is my Stephens with a "ph" match: Samuel is two off him, and I am three off.

Given my other matches with persons with known Welsh surnames - Beddoes, Price - I am really becoming convinced that my immigrant y-dna ancestor may have come from Wales. Don't know for sure, but the evidence seems to be mounting.

I think the key here is the relatively late adoption of fixed surnames in Wales and the common use of patronymics; that way you can get some closely y-related folks with a number of different surnames.

The calendar of probate and administrations acts 1407-1550 in the Consistory Court of the Bishops of Herefordshire (a really catchy title for a book :) has a 20 page index devoted to people with Welsh patronymic names.

I haven't heard from this most recent Beddoes match since 02 December. But what is interesting is that one of my exact 12-marker matches, who has also tested DF41+, just got his 67-marker upgrade, and we're a 63/67 match. Not bad! His surname is Samuel, and what is really interesting is that his most distant y ancestor came from Powys, Wales.

He matches some of my other close matches more closely than I do, so there is something interesting going on there. One of them is my Stephens with a "ph" match: Samuel is two off him, and I am three off.

Given my other matches with persons with known Welsh surnames - Beddoes, Price - I am really becoming convinced that my immigrant y-dna ancestor may have come from Wales. Don't know for sure, but the evidence seems to be mounting.

I think the key here is the relatively late adoption of fixed surnames in Wales and the common use of patronymics; that way you can get some closely y-related folks with a number of different surnames.

The calendar of probate and administrations acts 1407-1550 in the Consistory Court of the Bishops of Herefordshire (a really catchy title for a book :) has a 20 page index devoted to people with Welsh patronymic names.

You can see how one man might be the progenitor of any number of surnames, if he had several sons who in turn had sons of their own.

I haven't heard from this most recent Beddoes match since 02 December. But what is interesting is that one of my exact 12-marker matches, who has also tested DF41+, just got his 67-marker upgrade, and we're a 63/67 match. Not bad! His surname is Samuel, and what is really interesting is that his most distant y ancestor came from Powys, Wales.

He matches some of my other close matches more closely than I do, so there is something interesting going on there. One of them is my Stephens with a "ph" match: Samuel is two off him, and I am three off.

Given my other matches with persons with known Welsh surnames - Beddoes, Price - I am really becoming convinced that my immigrant y-dna ancestor may have come from Wales. Don't know for sure, but the evidence seems to be mounting.

I think the key here is the relatively late adoption of fixed surnames in Wales and the common use of patronymics; that way you can get some closely y-related folks with a number of different surnames.

The calendar of probate and administrations acts 1407-1550 in the Consistory Court of the Bishops of Herefordshire (a really catchy title for a book :) has a 20 page index devoted to people with Welsh patronymic names.

You can see how one man might be the progenitor of any number of surnames, if he had several sons who in turn had sons of their own.

Indeed, the book I mentioned only shows a small window but having a look through I found the will of Walter ap Hoell ap Stevyn of Radnor dated 1529 which I think illustrates your point quite nicely. Also a Richard ap John Corbett of Worthyn (NE Shropshire) dated 1520 which shows English families used this tradition as well.

Slightly anecdotal but I was quite surprised how many Hereford wills I came across for people with patronymic names in the 17th and I think 18th C whilst trying to locate one for my crowd.

BTW As I'm sure you know Powys is a large modern county that swallowed a number of smaller counties, did your Samuels match mention which area his folks came from ?