Re: You do know that when they passed health care reform, they started the countdown to civil war?

Slow down just a bit OP. Lets support the States lawsuits to get it declared unconstitutional and elect actual representatives in November to get it repealed before we start letting the lead leave the barrels shall we?

I'm plenty pissed about it too, but there is every reason to believe parts of the bill will be found to be unconstitutional. There is a very good chance that 2/3rds of the States will be successfull in stopping the Fed at the boarder. There is even a chance that there may be enough change in congress in November that the whole Obamination could be repealed in 2011.

I'm ready to defend myself, but I'd rather not dodge bullets if I don't have to.

"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787

Re: You do know that when they passed health care reform, they started the countdown to civil war?

Slow down just a bit OP. Lets support the States lawsuits to get it declared unconstitutional and elect actual representatives in November to get it repealed before we start letting the lead leave the barrels shall we?

I'm plenty pissed about it too, but there is every reason to believe parts of the bill will be found to be unconstitutional. There is a very good chance that 2/3rds of the States will be successfull in stopping the Fed at the boarder. There is even a chance that there may be enough change in congress in November that the whole Obamination could be repealed in 2011.

I'm ready to defend myself, but I'd rather not dodge bullets if I don't have to.

Quoting: Resister

Lawsuits arent going to make a tinkers damn bit of difference. All the states will LOSE in court and then what? We will all be fucked, thats what. The higher ups in these states who are filing these lawsuits are establishment and they know they are going to be tied up for years and that they will lose so its pointless. its just their way of making the sheeple think they are actually doing something. If the higher ups in these states really wanted to stop this bullshit they would NULLIFY the damned bill. With nullification you arent kissing the ring and asking anybody to grant you something that they could deny you. You are simply putting your foot down and saying NO.

Re: You do know that when they passed health care reform, they started the countdown to civil war?

Slow down just a bit OP. Lets support the States lawsuits to get it declared unconstitutional and elect actual representatives in November to get it repealed before we start letting the lead leave the barrels shall we?

I'm plenty pissed about it too, but there is every reason to believe parts of the bill will be found to be unconstitutional. There is a very good chance that 2/3rds of the States will be successfull in stopping the Fed at the boarder. There is even a chance that there may be enough change in congress in November that the whole Obamination could be repealed in 2011.

I'm ready to defend myself, but I'd rather not dodge bullets if I don't have to.

Lawsuits arent going to make a tinkers damn bit of difference. All the states will LOSE in court and then what? We will all be fucked, thats what. The higher ups in these states who are filing these lawsuits are establishment and they know they are going to be tied up for years and that they will lose so its pointless. its just their way of making the sheeple think they are actually doing something. If the higher ups in these states really wanted to stop this bullshit they would NULLIFY the damned bill. With nullification you arent kissing the ring and asking anybody to grant you something that they could deny you. You are simply putting your foot down and saying NO.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 687755

I think you are overestimating the new laws chances of survival. Mandating that every U.S. citizen buy a product or service from a private business is not a power granted to the Federal Goverment. At least it isn't listed in the Constitution, and that is what matters. FEderal judges who's job it is to weigh law against the constitution will decide that in short order. The supreme court will come down on the side of the states.

You are right though. It's a States Rights issue though and through. The states should nullify it and dare Washington DC to enforce it. This battle isn't going away and the Obama nut swingers are going to run out of time. November is only 8 months away.

"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787

Re: You do know that when they passed health care reform, they started the countdown to civil war?

Slow down just a bit OP. Lets support the States lawsuits to get it declared unconstitutional and elect actual representatives in November to get it repealed before we start letting the lead leave the barrels shall we?

I'm plenty pissed about it too, but there is every reason to believe parts of the bill will be found to be unconstitutional. There is a very good chance that 2/3rds of the States will be successfull in stopping the Fed at the boarder. There is even a chance that there may be enough change in congress in November that the whole Obamination could be repealed in 2011.

I'm ready to defend myself, but I'd rather not dodge bullets if I don't have to.

Lawsuits arent going to make a tinkers damn bit of difference. All the states will LOSE in court and then what? We will all be fucked, thats what. The higher ups in these states who are filing these lawsuits are establishment and they know they are going to be tied up for years and that they will lose so its pointless. its just their way of making the sheeple think they are actually doing something. If the higher ups in these states really wanted to stop this bullshit they would NULLIFY the damned bill. With nullification you arent kissing the ring and asking anybody to grant you something that they could deny you. You are simply putting your foot down and saying NO.

I think you are overestimating the new laws chances of survival. Mandating that every U.S. citizen buy a product or service from a private business is not a power granted to the Federal Goverment. At least it isn't listed in the Constitution, and that is what matters. FEderal judges who's job it is to weigh law against the constitution will decide that in short order. The supreme court will come down on the side of the states.

You are right though. It's a States Rights issue though and through. The states should nullify it and dare Washington DC to enforce it. This battle isn't going away and the Obama nut swingers are going to run out of time. November is only 8 months away.

Quoting: Resister

I wouldnt be surprised if the supreme court rules IN FAVOR OF obamacare. Look at the bullshit that went down a few months ago where the supreme court ruled to allow corps to buy elections. I understand that labor unions already do this but making corps just a powerful didnt make labor unions less powerful. How about make it illegal for corps AND labor unions to buy elections? These are the same stock of assclowns that gave corps peoplehood status. Thats why there is a corp running for freaking office right now!

Re: You do know that when they passed health care reform, they started the countdown to civil war?

All just growing pains. have hope,when power is contained by a few, their children are the legacy's that carry their philosophy. Fortunately history teaches us that these individuals are far to busy fucking their neighbors to share their madness with the next generation.Besides, we can be driven by electronic frenzy to begin exterminating each other any time "They" want to, fortunately for U.S.,rowdy servants taint worth a damn.

Re: You do know that when they passed health care reform, they started the countdown to civil war?

well your first fact is wrong, so there goes that theory.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 888043

According to the executive order that trumps the law? The law trumps the executive order.

Govt will have taxpayer funded abortions.Govt has 24/7 access to your bank account.Govt took over Student loans.Govt took away your freedom of choice by forcing healthcare.obama names dead actor, Marcus Welby, as healthczar.The IRS will be fucking peeps up income and healthcare taxes. Both will play bigger roles leading peeps to file Chapter 13 bankruptcies than medical ever did. ( I have been a bankruptcy paralegal for 6 years, I know the govt lied when it said during HC debates that Med bills casue 1/2 of all bankruptcies = TOTAL BULLSHIT! )

Re: You do know that when they passed health care reform, they started the countdown to civil war?

I think you are overestimating the new laws chances of survival. Mandating that every U.S. citizen buy a product or service from a private business is not a power granted to the Federal Goverment. At least it isn't listed in the Constitution, and that is what matters.

Quoting: Resister

Sorry, but that argument has already been debunked.

If the government can FORBID you from purchasing certain things, then it can also OBLIGATE you to purchase certain things.

The Constitution is mute about both, which are the mirror image of each other, so if one is allowed, the other must be as well.

Re: You do know that when they passed health care reform, they started the countdown to civil war?

I think you are overestimating the new laws chances of survival. Mandating that every U.S. citizen buy a product or service from a private business is not a power granted to the Federal Goverment. At least it isn't listed in the Constitution, and that is what matters.

Sorry, but that argument has already been debunked.

If the government can FORBID you from purchasing certain things, then it can also OBLIGATE you to purchase certain things.

The Constitution is mute about both, which are the mirror image of each other, so if one is allowed, the other must be as well.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 471789

Must vs Must-Not. We've already granted the government the right to say that we MUST NOT purchase certain things, so they automatically also have the right to say that we MUST purchase certain other things.

Re: You do know that when they passed health care reform, they started the countdown to civil war?

Fact : The health care bill is using taxpayer money to fund abortion.

Fact : More than half of americans are against abortions.

Fact : Many of those will refuse to pay the IRS because of this.

Fact : The IRS will raid them.

Fact : Some will resist and some will die.

Fact : These will be seen as many WACOS EVENTS.

Fact : Militias or just normal people will soon protect people who don't pay their income tax or will attack IRS agents for payback.

Fact : The police and IRS will become more and more paranoid and pissed at the population.

Fact : Militias will be branded terrorists.

And if you want to debunk me, do it with facts, just don't say BS flags... be adults.

uhm nearly half the american population is against wars as well yet there is FAR more spending on the military then the healthcare bill will cost.

So how about you being an adult and just accept that having 20% of your population with no insurance and spending the most of any nation per capita on health care despite that is not acceptable?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 930870

Many people agree that the HC system is far from perfect on many levels. Mant people agree that there is much room for improvement. What most people also agree on is, the HC bill just foisted on us is not an improvement, that it will not only lower the quality of HC, increase the cost of HC, but has the added benefit of destroying the economy.

Re: You do know that when they passed health care reform, they started the countdown to civil war?

Fact : The health care bill is using taxpayer money to fund abortion.

Fact : More than half of americans are against abortions.

Fact : Many of those will refuse to pay the IRS because of this.

Fact : The IRS will raid them.

Fact : Some will resist and some will die.

Fact : These will be seen as many WACOS EVENTS.

Fact : Militias or just normal people will soon protect people who don't pay their income tax or will attack IRS agents for payback.

Fact : The police and IRS will become more and more paranoid and pissed at the population.

Fact : Militias will be branded terrorists.

And if you want to debunk me, do it with facts, just don't say BS flags... be adults.

uhm nearly half the american population is against wars as well yet there is FAR more spending on the military then the healthcare bill will cost.

So how about you being an adult and just accept that having 20% of your population with no insurance and spending the most of any nation per capita on health care despite that is not acceptable?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 930870

Hey shit head no one forced these people not to have health insurance... I hope You do know that. If they have a pre-existing condition than I can understand that 100% but if they are to poor to afford it thats a different issue. Here in America You are not forced to take a job and no one forces You to work at a place You don't want to work at. Work here is 100% voluntary and Your choice of a job is 100% voluntary. If You are poor You can't blame anyone else but Yourself unless You were struck down by fate or bad luck...

I made the choice with my job and I decided to join the merchant marines... I make good money but guess what I devote 4X as much time to my job than the average person bitching about being a full time person in poverty...

So why on earth should I be forced to pay more in taxes than these people that can't afford it? Your probably going to say because You make more money right? Well guess what shit bird I make more money because I work 18 hour days and spend 24 hour days at my job for months at a time. So fuck You and fuck them they can go out and sacrifice a little harder just like me and millions of other middle class people...