We are a commune of inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals with many interests beyond and above politics. Each of us has had a high-school education (or GED), but all had ADD so didn't pay attention very well, especially the dogs. Each one of us does "try my best to be just like I am," and none of us enjoys working for others, including for Maggie, from whom we receive neither a nickel nor a dime. Freedom from nags, cranks, government, do-gooders, control-freaks and idiots is all that we ask for.

As one of my best friends said yesterday, “If any of them were real Republicans they’d be using their shock, outrage and vitriol to attack Obama and Hillary and Bernie every second of every day. They’d be condemning the Democrats over this horrible economy. We’re all drowning. Instead Republican leaders are in panic over Trump? Are you kidding me?”

Six months from now, being #nevertrump is going to be the mark of Cain, regardless of the election outcome. If Trump loses conservatives will blame these traitors for the defeat. If Trump wins, the #nevertrump loons will be packed off to the labor camps. Well, we can dream. Still, life is not going to be fun for these people if Trump is in the White House. There’s just no obvious upside to this #nevertrump nuttiness, other than the craven cash grab.

Does an Accurate Climate Model Exist? ... Our one accurate, transparent and un-tampered with set of data–satellite temperature measurements–is now 37 years old.

That is incorrect. Temperature data from satellites are highly manipulated. Complex models are used to isolate atmospheric layers and to compensate for orbital decay and other effects. Indeed, satellites don't directly measure temperature at all!

Other scientific teams have studied the satellite data and found that the troposphere is warming somewhat faster than the surface, as expected by climate models. See Fu et al., Contribution of stratospheric cooling to satellite-inferred tropospheric temperature trends, Nature 2004; and Vinnikov et al., Temperature trends at the surface and in the troposphere, Journal of Geophysical Research 2006.

There are a number of ways to present how poorly climate models simulate global surface temperatures. [etc]

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It’s very hard to overlook the fact that, over the past decade, climate models are simulating way too much warming and are diverging rapidly from reality. [etc.]

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Another way to show how poorly climate models perform is to subtract the observations-based reconstruction from the average of the model outputs (model mean).

Because the models failed to properly simulate the cooling from the 1880s to the 1910s, they also failed to properly simulate the warming that took place from the 1910s until 1940. [...] The difference cycles back and forth, nearing a zero difference in the 1980s and 90s, indicating the models are tracking observations better (relatively) during that period. And from the 1990s to present, because of the slowdown in warming, the difference has increased to greatest value ever…where the difference indicates the models are showing too much warming.

Republicans will pack #neverTrumpers off to labor camps. As if. Republicans don't even require illegal aliens to work in order to get their free Obamacare and welfare. Why the hell would we start by putting our own misguided souls into labor camps?!?!

If there are labor camps, Hillary, Chelsea, Bill and other parasites of their ilk should be the 1st campers.

Here's a more recent study, this time concerning RSS and adjustments for the diurnal cycle. Mears & Wentz, Sensitivity of Satellite-Derived Tropospheric Temperature Trends to the Diurnal Cycle Adjustment, Journal of Climate 2016.

Ten: Under said squid ink I simply placed a topical reinforcement of BD's link's premise that climate models are unreliable as AGW-supporting science.

The article Bird Dog linked to claimed that "satellite temperature measurements" are "our one accurate, transparent and un-tampered with set of data," which is not correct. Satellites don't even measure temperature. As that faulty claim is the foundation of the article, it means the article's argument is without foundation.

^ Note, human people, that having now itself redefined the narrative it claimed had been incorrectly redefined elsewhere, the Z-Bot has now responded to itself and its own vague serial threading. This is predicted.

This is the common loop-phenomenon known as squid ink, therein confirmed as a virtual real-time proof of the bot's current cognition level. Human people can imagine concealed operators diligently checking punch cards and spools of magnetic tape, and fussing over little glowing green screens with squigly lines on them.

Continued engagement should produce one of two additional responses: Further cognitive deterioration and complete loss of claimed topic, or complete silence as the program eventually end-stops entirely.

The NYCHRL [New York City Human Rights Law] requires employers[, landlords, and all businesses and professionals] to use an [employee’s, tenant’s, customer’s, or client’s] preferred name, pronoun and title (e.g., Ms./Mrs.) regardless of the individual’s sex assigned at birth, anatomy, gender, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on the individual’s identification.

Nah, they will just be marginalized and no longer relevant. So all of those aides and think tanks and policy people whose lives were built around working for RNC and its candidates will be looking for jobs...or having to retool their careers.

On the outs with SJWs? That's what they're all about, the "purer than thou" crowd know what they know and admit nothing that contradicts that in any way or any infinitesimal amount.

Obama Bathrooms.: Given the WC (Brit for bathroom) controversy in NC, I'm reasonably sure Hill has next to no chance there. Bern, too. Meanwhile, The Won is letting her twist slowly in the wind on the bathroom server story (Hey! A 2-bathroom comment!).

In fact, we are directly addressing the point, which was "Does an Accurate Climate Model Exist?" The argument in the linked article was based on the claim that "satellite temperature measurements" are "our one accurate, transparent and un-tampered with set of data," which is not correct.

Ray: So What? To point out the obvious, thermometers don't even measure temperature. Temperature is inferred from the expansion of a liquid.

The direct one-to-one correspondence of the expansion in the thermometer and temperature, and because they can be easily calibrated, thermometers are reasonably considered a direct measure. Satellites don't measure temperature, but radiation, and that measurement can only be interpreted as temperature through a complex model that includes many different influences, including satellite drift and the diurnal cycle. We provided citations above that concern the issue of determining temperature from satellite measurements.

That whole delayed gratification thing is interesting, and I've often thought of a generalization of it not relating to criminal behavior, but in how societies and groups adapt to modernization. There are two selective forces at work.

In general, hunter gatherers need to work in a short time window. A windfall of fruit, or a major animal kill is a short term resource and is often shared amongst the group because there is no benefit to hoarding it (in that way a kind of reciprocal generosity is encouraged). Tomorrow, the search for food starts all over again.

Agriculture turns it all upside down. There are no short term payoffs. Planting, cultivating are long term goals and the most successful people in these societies are the ones who do think long term, the exact opposite of the hunter gatherer culture. There is still some pressure for generosity, but that often takes the form of cooperative trade.

It seems (from limited knowledge) that cultures with deep agricultural roots seem to adapt more easily to the modern world than those of a more transient lifestyle.

This is where I spend 90 minutes laying out how all this connects, who said what and for what reason, where all the links lead, and then apply the context normal humans use while engaged in normal human discourse about mutually-interesting topics. This done, I'll have succumbed to what Z-Bot is designed to peddle, which is diversion.

Then Z-Bot will consult its programming before shooting squid ink all over it in the fourteen seconds it takes for it to make some beeping noises and close some contacts before issuing 147 words with nothing to do with anything except racing 'bot goalposts around the blog. This is why we normal human people call it diversion.

This normal human people persons also call this a royal waste of time.

Squid ink has been specially formulated to waste time by painting the merest appearances of real argumentation.

Z-Bot's programmers may wish to note that dysfunction is manifest by two primary indicators: Dishonesty and peddling appearances. Solve those two and this artificial intelligence thing may actually develop its intended market.

Noam Chomsky's diatribes against reports of Pol Pot's genocide in Cambodia didn't exactly help his credibility.

Just for the fun of it, I took a copy of Chomsky's Year 501: The Conquest Continues 1st edition from a free books bin. The book is about Latin America, and as I have long been interested in Latin America, I thought I would compare his knowledge with mine. He cites sources to give the impression that health care under the Pinochet regime was a disaster. World Bank Development Indicators informs us that from 1973 to 1989, the years that Pinochet was dictator, Chile went from 12th to 5th in Life Expectancy in Latin America. Not the health care disaster that Chomsky would have his readers believe. For one example.

"Satellites don't measure temperature, but radiation,"
The satellites don't measure radiation but the frequency of radiation. The frequency of radiation is mathematically related to the absolute temperature of the radiating object so in theory determining the temperature is trivial. However, the frequency measured by the satellites is perturbed by various effects such as Doppler and diffraction. These effects have to be accounted for so this complicates the temperature estimation process.

Ray: The satellites don't measure radiation but the frequency of radiation.

They measure radiances in different frequency bands.

Ray: the frequency measured by the satellites is perturbed by various effects such as Doppler and diffraction.

That's correct. Many different phenomena can cause perturbations. It's difficult enough that UAH botched their initial calculations. The satellite temperature record has been revised many times, contrary to the implication found in the article.

So are you two ( or however many people Zachriel are; if indeed you are people) saying the only thermometer that you people use, and is considered 100% infallible, is mercury expansion? No wonder you believe in man caused global warming!

B. Hammer: saying the only thermometer that you people use, and is considered 100% infallible, is mercury expansion?

Where the Heavens did you get that idea?! There are a number of reasons why thermometers may provide inaccurate readings. Nor does it mean we can't infer important information about atmospheric temperature from satellites. Contrary to statements in the linked article, satellites are only one type of evidence — one that has its own difficulties.

In particular, UAH agrees that the troposphere is warming. The point of contention are the corrections being made by UAH, which are disputed by many other researchers.

There are two kinds of people in the world: Those who always knew the whole AGW scam was always a scam and was intended to allow the left to seize power and money from those who had it. And those who are clueless, uninformed and probably don't even know what "AGW" means.

Therefore the argument continues but both sides in the argument know with certainty that it is all a scam.

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