He isn't the Dawson of 2010, he is a shell of that fighter. Does that mean he is done? Maybe not but if that version was considered elite and he is a shell of that, just how far from elite is he at this point?

Let's consider the facts with Dawson: He got brutalized by Ward after weight draining himself then gets KTFO in the first round in his comeback fight. Then there's also the fact that he has changed trainers SO many times. This just shows me that his head isn't in the game and after the back to back losses, there is the physical and mental toll.

Let's consider the facts with Dawson: He got brutalized by Ward after weight draining himself then gets KTFO in the first round in his comeback fight. Then there's also the fact that he has changed trainers SO many times. This just shows me that his head isn't in the game and after the back to back losses, there is the physical and mental toll.

I do understand your point, but I still think that he can make moves at LHW...

By all means, Dawson isn't the only case and I was just using him as the latest example...

I'm speaking from more of a general standpoint....there was a point where people though Hopkins was done for instance...he's still making waves....

I think some people put too much into a loss now days as if the glory days are over....

When a guy drains himself to make a lower weight, gets knocked down 3 times and stopped by a fighter who doesn't hit hard, and then gets taken out in 1 punch by another fighter immediately afterwards, you can pretty much assume he ruined himself. There is a very clear precedent here.