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Envy?! What an unusual thing to say... Why would I have envy of superhero movies? And no, I haven't seen many of them. I'm more of a costume drama kind of girl SW is just a quirk in my taste, no more no less, and it stops there.

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With all due respect, you look pretty silly criticizing a series of ~20 movies whilst simultaneously admitting you "haven't seen many of them." (Especially given the nature of the criticism you levied)

Some are, and others built that trope. But I think the MCU movies released from 2016-2018 were anything BUT infantile - mediocre deals with subjective taste more than anything, and ALL movies follow a formula, but I think I see what you mean and will address it.

Infantile assumes that the MCU movies don't deal with mature themes, with they clearly do. Civil War deals with authority and control, as well as responsibility; Spider-Man deals with mentorship and the realities of being in a situation over your head; Ant-Man and the Wasp deals with lawful vs good and people who get hurt in the crossfire; Infinity War deals with an impending resource crisis tests the limits of what it means to be a hero. These themes, despite the colorful characters and silly banter, are anything BUT infantile.

Mediocre has more to do with your tastes, and that's fine! The MCU has admittedly been very mediocre at times. But it's also been amazing too. Iron Man is an astounding superhero piece even ten years later; Guardians of the Galaxy (THE FIRST ONE) is still one of the best non-Star Wars space-operas out there. Every fight scene in a movie directed by the Russo Brothers feels fresh and unique. And there's a reason Avengers is one of the most beloved geek movies of the 21 century. MCU movies are fun. That joy that you get when you watch Star Wars? That's what the next generation gets out of the MCU. That shock of Vader being Luke's father in ESB and that downer ending? For a whole generation, that's what Infinity War felt like.

Formulaic - I assume you mean that the superhero eventually fights an antagonist with similar powers to their own? Because if you're just talking about simple plot structure overall, Star Wars has no right to talk. And of the Phase 3 movies (8 so far, will be 10 total), only two of them have had villains and heroes with the same powers. If by formulaic you mean a lack of strong villains, I agree until 2017, with GotG2's villain, Vulture, Hela, Killmonger, and Thanos all showing different sides and motivations.

Overall, you don't have to like the MCU movies (although I personally love them), but deriding them all as mediocre, infantile, and formulaic does a disservice to the heroes, the franchise, and quite frankly, some darn good movies.

But even I wouldn't go that far with ALL of the MCU movies! There's a reason The Incredible Hulk (and Thor: The Dark World if you want) can be cut from movie marathons will little-to-no consequences.

The new movies have done some things very well, and while they might not live up to the OT for you (which is completely fair), deriding them all devalues the good things they all have.

In the end y'all, I feel like it's a real disservice to both discussion and the fans of the franchise if you simply lump movie together and deride them all as bad. Now if y'all were talking about the Transformers franchise...

JK, I actually like the first Transformers movie, and I haven't seen Bumblebee. But 2-5...

To answer the main question, the more I think about it, the weirder I feel. TLJ really works best as a TFA Part 2 IMO, which means that we'd really need two parts to finish the trilogy. But at the same time, I hate the idea of ending at episode 10. At the same time, that means one more episode AND more time with Rey and Finn and Poe. But at the same time, that means we don't really get to move on. But at the same time, we get more development (ideally)…

With all due respect, you look pretty silly criticizing a series of ~20 movies whilst simultaneously admitting you "haven't seen many of them." (Especially given the nature of the criticism you levied)

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And you look kind of rude and immature telling to people they "look silly" just because they say something you disagree with... Ergo: learn some manners and grow up, please.

I haven't read all of Barbara Cartland's romantic novels, but the few I have read make me realise the problem with them and why I don't particularly enjoy them. Same with MCU superhero movies, like it or not. If some of those films are not infantile and formulaic, please, recommend them to me and quit the unfriendly tone. Thanks.

Overall, you don't have to like the MCU movies (although I personally love them), but deriding them all as mediocre, infantile, and formulaic does a disservice to the heroes, the franchise, and quite frankly, some darn good movies.

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You must understand this is my opinion and that I am well aware I'm not the right audience for these films... They are certainly well produced and incredibly popular. I do not deny either that there are serious themes at the heart of these stories, but the "vehicle" they are delivered in is just not appealing to me... I have never enjoyed the special power kind of premise. I enjoy the concept of the force in SW because it alludes to philosophy, religion and magic, elements that I find fascinating and inject a lot of depth into the SW world of political conflict and battle. It is a mythology that suits my tastes, whereas the superhero mythology doesn't, as, for me, it seems erratic, forced and whimsical.

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With all due respect, you look pretty silly criticizing a series of ~20 movies whilst simultaneously admitting you "haven't seen many of them." (Especially given the nature of the criticism you levied)

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