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Re: Tell me more about Andreus

You'd think that since Andréas' studio was right by the Boston Medical Centre that Andreus might run into him there while doing translating work in the Emerg. Department. (Isn't that the hospital Andreus worked at or is my memory faulty?)

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by justaguy

Perhaps, as a suggestion, Boston Pirate can come back on and tell us the truth about his own circumstances, and then we can all start from scratch?

Lets sleeping dogs lie!

This saga went on for months if not years on JUB, the Irak afffair and HIV were just the final episodes in this saga which was full of accusations and counter claims on a day by day basis no purpose will be served by trying to find the real truth behind the varies claims. I do not remember many of the current posters being involved way back in those days. I think the guarded postings by Corny should be read by all concerned he was certainly in a better position than any others to know the validity of some of the claims.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by BiMike

no purpose will be served by trying to find the real truth behind the varies claims. .

That wasn't why I said that. I was actually offering an olive branch. I was thinking about the current truth. Although I haven't been around much on JUB lately, so perhaps it isn't for me to say. Which is probably a good point for me to back out. Oh well ... it's the internet. Right? Which reminds me. I have a house that needs painting.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by tombastep

Really now? I've met/talked to a couple of jubbers offline and one of them is my boyfriend. That plenty of "veteran" members know. I have shared things in confessions thread, specifically health issues. I've shared that I was at a party where a young kid died and many more things over the years.

I agree. And good on you. There is one person on here that I have shared some quite private stuff with. I'd hate for him to think that anything I told him was untrue "because it's the internet and you've got to expect it." When I came to Jub I spewed out so much of myself on a thread, and not a single word of it was a lie. And to be honest, that's what I expect of all other jubbers. Otherwise I may as well not be here.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by stacy

I can relate to being emotionally manipulated, on the Internet, on this very message board. But just because I had a run in with a poster who felt the need to embellish who he was does not mean that I need to witch hunt and obsess over every possible fake who comes along after him, or came before him. Look, I have been directly affected by Andreus. I told my story. He hated me, he antagonized me, he baited me so that I would fuck up and get myself banned. But that was 5 years ago. And whoever he is or was or could be is long gone. Whether the poster who created him is here or not - the entity that was Andreus is dead. Get over it.

Alternately if it bothers you this much you could just skirt the discussions of him? You seem very upset by the topic.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

I am so tired of hearing people say "this is just the internet", implying that others here are really not worthy of the same respect we give to those in our day to day lives. It devalues all of us. By saying this is just the internet, it makes our mistreatment of others excusable. People then feel free to use others and then press a button and they are gone and it really doesn't matter because this is just the internet and we are not real people.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

There is no doubt that Andreus was - and may be still is - a tortured person who thrives on misrepresenting himself for reasons better known to himself despite which I was much more interested in his views on Islam to worry about yet another gay man living with a challenging personality.

An authentic Greek would spell his name Andreas from Ανδρέας rather than the Latin us

The alleged brother, Mitri (an abbrevation for Dimitrios and predictably utilised for very young children) in one of his last posts, if not the last post suddenly transformed his (deliberately?) poorly written posts into the quality of written English that Andreus impressed me with when arguing on behalf of his Islamic beliefs.

Hooded Rat and I share the same view that Andreus faked his death and posted as his brother Dimitrios for reasons best known to himself perhaps illustrating that his personality is rather complicated.

I am also perplexed by the sudden appearance of the poster, posting as Enchanted attempting to elicit contributions/opinions on Andreus when recalling that he had an enormous appetite for compliments.

I am an occasional visitor to the gay bars of Gazi, Athens, Greece and have yet to note anyone resembling the image portrayed in the photographs that he posted on this site representing him.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by stacy

Do not mistake my words for passing off the internet as some cesspool of idiotic behavior. I have met amazing people here, many who have left and many who are still here. I believe in them just as I would anyone in real life. My posts should be taken as "shit happens, and even more in the online world." I do not devalue anyone. I have not changed how I reveal myself to anyone in public threads, in PMs or in comments. I value everyone I come across. If they fuck me over that's my fault. I don't have the right to drag them through JUB hell because I got manipulated. I move on then do it again just as fast, and not because I am stupid, but because I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt.

I see things from many angles. That might not be clear in this thread because of my direct involvement, but do not mistake me for being one sided. I get the hurt and the betrayal. I don't get the need to lay it all out in a thread in a way that makes those that believed in him feel even more shitty and those that know he's not real feel vindicated. It's rude.

I might be misreading you but the message I got from your last couple posts is "yeah bad stuff happens but if it happens to you online you're to blame for it."

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

You'd think that since Andréas' studio was right by the Boston Medical Centre that Andreus might run into him there while doing translating work in the Emerg. Department. (Isn't that the hospital Andreus worked at or is my memory faulty?)

Hmm interesting. And a photographer would have a perfect grasp at very private, very intimate pictures of other persons. Pictures that never would be published elsewhere ..
Also a photographer would have at least a vague grasp about reporters moving around with people in war zones .. a little detail that Kyanimal in his synopsis missed. This is also one detail where I caught him lying and he gave me a technical, but wrong explanation - probably not knowing how deep I am into the topic. That was the time when I started to get very suspicious.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by stacy

Do not mistake my words for passing off the internet as some cesspool of idiotic behavior. I have met amazing people here, many who have left and many who are still here. I believe in them just as I would anyone in real life. My posts should be taken as "shit happens, and even more in the online world." I do not devalue anyone. I have not changed how I reveal myself to anyone in public threads, in PMs or in comments. I value everyone I come across. If they fuck me over that's my fault. I don't have the right to drag them through JUB hell because I got manipulated. I move on then do it again just as fast, and not because I am stupid, but because I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt.

I see things from many angles. That might not be clear in this thread because of my direct involvement, but do not mistake me for being one sided. I get the hurt and the betrayal. I don't get the need to lay it all out in a thread in a way that makes those that believed in him feel even more shitty and those that know he's not real feel vindicated. It's rude.

This post has the word "I" in it sixteen times, plus "me", "myself" and "my" four times.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by stacy

Yep. That's how I feel. People are assholes. We have to decide if we just don't care or if we want to avoid them at all costs. When we choose to believe, we take part in the fakery as soon as we make that decision. It is a risk we take. That is how I look at it, does not mean you have to. I'm just sharing my thoughts and asking questions.

So if I'm in an alley waiting to rape someone and a woman comes into the alley we're both to blame?

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by stacy

Once again we are overblowing fakery on the internet. Andreus did not rape anyone by claiming to be a Greek God living in Boston. Internet fakers are not rapists or murderers. They are people who feel the need to embellish life online so they don't have to tell you what they're really like offline. Is that rape? 'Cause I'd like to know if I can call my authorities and report some people.

I never said he was a rapist. I was entirely talking about your logic that someone actually setting out to do wrong to others is equally to blame with the person who lets the wrong be done to them.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

I'm assuming we can toss Boston Pirate on that fire, as well.

And just so you know, I've lied about something on this messageboard. I mentioned that in the "true confessions" thread, I think. Johann asked me what that lie was, and I told him I didn't remember. Which was lie number two.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by stacy

Once again we are overblowing fakery on the internet. Andreus did not rape anyone by claiming to be a Greek God living in Boston. Internet fakers are not rapists or murderers. They are people who feel the need to embellish life online so they don't have to tell you what they're really like offline. Is that rape? 'Cause I'd like to know if I can call my authorities and report some people.

well, yay and nay.

it depends on how someone goes about it. someone like sloppyseconds is harmless and funny. however, if sloppyseconds decides one day to become a real person where he interacts with us, sends us messages, asking for our phone numbers and get personal with us and the person behind him is not real or someone faking for whatever reason, then it becomes something potentially serious. you never know what's the reason for someone faking or if they're a telemarketer or a crazy person that basically uses your trust only to get your phone number and identity to rob you or even kill you. don't underestimate the power of an alias or web fakers. people have died over it. not to long ago, there was a guy in brooklyn that got murdered when he was lured to someone's spot after meeting them off craigslist by "a woman" that agreed to have casual sex with him. went over to the apartment, got snatched up, robbed and killed. that could easily happen here or anywhere on the web.

one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

If I'm honest, Stacy, your reaction seems disproportionate. I'm clearly missing something, here - are you annoyed with the persistence in dragging his name through the mud of JUB's gardens, or annoyed that your frustration and turmoil in learning to live and let live with Andreus may have been nothing more than a game he was playing?

I say that because if indeed he was a persona and it wasn't a game, then what was it? I'm open to suggestion.

This has all been enlightening either way. I certainly didn't have enough dealings with him in any of the alleged incarnations to ever think he wasn't real.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by kallipolis

There is no doubt that Andreus was - and may be still is - a tortured person who thrives on misrepresenting himself for reasons better known to himself despite which I was much more interested in his views on Islam to worry about yet another gay man living with a challenging personality.

An authentic Greek would spell his name Andreas from Ανδρέας rather than the Latin us

The alleged brother, Mitri (an abbrevation for Dimitrios and predictably utilised for very young children) in one of his last posts, if not the last post suddenly transformed his (deliberately?) poorly written posts into the quality of written English that Andreus impressed me with when arguing on behalf of his Islamic beliefs.

Hooded Rat and I share the same view that Andreus faked his death and posted as his brother Dimitrios for reasons best known to himself perhaps illustrating that his personality is rather complicated.

I am also perplexed by the sudden appearance of the poster, posting as Enchanted attempting to elicit contributions/opinions on Andreus when recalling that he had an enormous appetite for compliments.

I am an occasional visitor to the gay bars of Gazi, Athens, Greece and have yet to note anyone resembling the image portrayed in the photographs that he posted on this site representing him.

As it happens I know an authentic Bengali who spelt her name phonetically in Canada so as to elicit the correct pronunciation.

Also, do the gay bars of Gazi have video links to the Boston area where Andreus is reputed to have danced?

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Oh. And I know a child of Asian immigrants whose parents expected they were giving their son an English name similar to the Cantonese name they intended for him when in fact through their own misunderstanding it was a conventional French-Canadian name. They were baffled at the "mispronunciation" having planned in advance to prevent it.

The transliteration of personal names in an unconventional way is indicative of nothing.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Earlier, in this very thread, Boston Pirate told us that Andreus was known to lie.

And, actually, a last/other name has been posted on this site before – already public info.

An open tendency to lie, at least to me, doesn't lend much credibility to the idea that "he was totally real but was just lying about his name."

Really though the thing that makes me most suspicious with any big online personality is the online-death event. There's just been SO MANY cases of that being fake I'm always instantly suspicious of anyone "big" in an online community who has a death, particularly if a "relative" then shows up after.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by xbuzzerx

. . . . .

Really though the thing that makes me most suspicious with any big online personality is the online-death event. There's just been SO MANY cases of that being fake I'm always instantly suspicious of anyone "big" in an online community who has a death, particularly if a "relative" then shows up after.

Absolutely.

I wouldn’t care too much about that either, except that, in this case, a very mean spirited cyber bully has returned from the dead with his same miserable rotten behavior.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by JohannBessler

For individuals who still live, several databases exist. My favorite one is Peoplefinders dot com. I'd assess it as "very accurate", but not "extremely accurate

I deem NexusLexus the single most accurate database for the living. Professional private detectives use that database first; oftentimes, they can find a missing person within 15 minutes. However, you must pay to use it,

This is a side-topic to the thread, JB, but I went to peoplefinders and I didn't see anything about paying, other than either a pay-per-use thing, or a short-term (monthly) cost which I haven't been able to justify. If there was some such people-search website which gave an annual or lifetime membership, I'd consider joining it (if it's verified to be the "real deal" and a good source). Do EITHER of these go deep enough where, if I have somebody's old college and parents' home addresses from well over 40 years ago and it's somebody with a fairly common name, am I going to be able to find that person?

There's similarly somebody with a VERY common Jewish name in New York City who I've wanted to look up for decades as well. I don't want to pay for something, then find out that having old addresses is entirely useless.

Originally Posted by Telstra

I thought his avatar body pic was his.
His avatar pic looks like a muscular big guy with a huge penis.

I only "liked to think" that the avatar was his, but I remember in my VERY early days here I complimented somebody in New Jersey on his avatar (I forget who) and he wrote back to tell me the picture wasn't him. Therefore, I only thought the avatar "might" be Andreus at the time.

Originally Posted by stacy

Real or not the Andreus saga SHOULD have ended when he died. I get that I am participating in this thread and thus helping it live on but really, do we need to witch hunt a dead persona?

^ THIS.

I don't even remember whether "Andreus" had much influence on me at all, let alone whether it was positive or negative in nature, because my only interaction was following his story (ONE CANNOT DENY THAT IT WAS **INTERESTING**) and I THINK that I may have posted occasionally in his related thread(s). There is little doubt that some people here feel they benefited in some way from Andreus being here. Real or not, the man behind his persona (who may have been "Andreus" or just as easily could have been Pascal H. Tremblay or something...but I'm sure it was indeed a man) presented interesting and intelligent discussion, and more than likely caused more than one person to look at an issue or argument in a way that hadn't occurred to them. Even though it came from a person who appears to have been fake(d), it doesn't change the fact that somebody reacted to one or more of his posts.

HOLD ON TO THAT, AND CHERISH IT.

Sometimes, even out-and-out blatant lies can be what finally drills through somebody's wall, and makes that person have an epiphany, or see where he/she was previously making big mistakes about something, etc. This can happen directly from the fakery itself, or from the result of other people believing the fakery. It may be the response-to-a-response-to-a-response to his original post, which "gets through" that wall.

At the very least, the impostor was quite articulate AND ENGAGING; the very action of people responding to his posts often caused the responders to think through issues while posting. "Andreus" had a way of causing people to respond while (or after) crystallizing their own thoughts. That is usually not a bad thing, and whether "Andreus" was fake or not has little bearing on that.

If anything, seeing that Andreus very likely was perhaps the most elaborate sock puppet in JUB history, makes me (if anything) ALL THE MORE curious about the *real* person behind the posts. (If that person happens to be reading this, and you tell me it was you, Sloppy Seconds, I won't tell...any secret will go to the grave with me.)

Originally Posted by rareboy

MISFIT

That was the name of one of JUB's most infamous fakes.

I remember him, he lifted pictures "of him" from a European model's website or something. I actually interacted with him a little bit after he was busted. I've always hoped that my interaction with him gave at least a bit of solace to a person who obviously was plagued with a troubled soul (and even that choice of username was sort of a signal of that).

Originally Posted by kallipolis

I was much more interested in his views on Islam to worry about yet another gay man living with a challenging personality.

Hooded Rat and I share the same view that Andreus faked his death and posted as his brother Dimitrios for reasons best known to himself perhaps illustrating that his personality is rather complicated.

I am an occasional visitor to the gay bars of Gazi, Athens, Greece and have yet to note anyone resembling the image portrayed in the photographs that he posted on this site representing him.

Exactly. An entirely fake person can STILL bring forth very interesting points of view, ones that can still cause somebody to look at things from other perspectives, and learn in the process.

It still makes me curious, though, about the person who was actually behind "Andreus" and fabricating the posts. Clearly that person was/is articulate and highly intelligent, as there isn't/wasn't/never will be any way to fake the depth of some of the posts; they had to come from somewhere.

It might be interesting, if old Andreus posts still exist, to see if any of the same posts exist on other website Forums - which could be ANYWHERE (even on a Forum for mountaineering, or quilting, Islam, Civil War paraphernalia, etc.)!

Of course if you're looking for the images on this thread in the gay bars in Greece, you're looking for the wrong guy - I haven't seen anything posted in this thread (I don't think) which has actually been "confirmed" to have been any photo that Andreus had (earlier) "confirmed" was him. That goregous black-and-white hunk picture was already disclosed as being a British footballer or something, not Andreus.

"Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking." -The Scarecrow, THE WIZARD OF OZ, 1939

Boss, to Sue: "Sorry, we have to downsize, and I need to lay you and Jack off." Sue to boss: "Can you just jack off? I feel like shit today."

Make, for a man, a fire - and he'll be warm for a few hours. Set a man afire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Mexicans are pissed off about Trump's wall but, oh...they'll get over it.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

The only pics of Andreus that I've seen in This thread are his Avatar body, and Signature eyes. And, they're entirely consistent with other pics he publicly posted on JUB, and others that he emailed to me. All of them were of the same guy.

Corny, I'm not sure I'm following what you were saying about Dreu being a photographer. All I remember is him claiming to sometimes be a free-lance correspondent. And, he obviously wasn't the photographer Andreas Thanos. That guy is too old.

I never knew what his last name supposedly was. The first I heard of Thanos was from BostonPirate. MidnightPrism has offered an explanation of why BP may have honestly thought that was Dreu's last name. He seemed to be quite cautious of being identified with his dad, and the family business. And, given his many nefarious activities, who could blame him?

After all of the suppositions, assumptions, inferences, musings, and "claims", I STILL don't KNOW if Dreu was "Real" or not!

Butt, does that Really matter?

All I KNOW is that Andreus was a Character, in SO many ways, that was as Real to ME, as the internet gets, when I was interacting with Him. And, I do still Treasure that experience with whoever He may have been!

Keep smilin'!!
Chaz

WISDOM is the Knowledge you've gained ... After you could have used it!_Me

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by Kyanimal

. . . .
After all of the suppositions, assumptions, inferences, musings, and "claims", I STILL don't KNOW if Dreu was "Real" or not!

Butt, does that Really matter?

. . . .

At the very least, it is odd that this site is willing to maintain online cemetery plots with no bodies/no proof that a real person actually died, yet omits the very real and well-documented Tyler Clementi.

It’s disgraceful, actually. Might as well have a plot in there for Dobby.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by mikey3000

another suspect person refuses to stop stirring the pot.

Well ... if that is meant for me, then I can see how you can reach that conclusion because I've been a bit of a jerk in this thread. In 10,000 posts this is the most controversial I have ever been here. Usually I just make the odd silly comment here and there without really adding anything of significance to the discussion. Perhaps it should have stayed that way.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by Kyanimal

I never knew what his last name supposedly was. The first I heard of Thanos was from BostonPirate. MidnightPrism has offered an explanation of why BP may have honestly thought that was Dreu's last name. He seemed to be quite cautious of being identified with his dad, and the family business. And, given his many nefarious activities, who could blame him?

Chaz

You are overlooking some things, Ky. Boston Pilate also said Andreus was first his student, then his colleague and ultimately a tenant in a property he claimed to own. Don't you think a teacher, colleague and landlord, not to mention a friend in real life would know his name?

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

On another forum which had a membership measuring in only the hundreds, I became close to a man whose death was imminent. I enjoyed personal, face-time relationships with some of the forum members, and a few of us hoped to do whatever we could on behalf of our terminal friend: money, time, travel, compassion, etc. We cared (and even now, I do care) about this individual.

It's hard for me to explain my sense of stupendous idiocy, humiliation, betrayal and devastation when it turned out that my friend had been deceiving us about his health. I had spent tears--I had wept--on his behalf only to find out they were suckered.

I have no personal interest in Andreus, except that I enjoyed his posts.

On the other hand, I think such a deceit would be viscerally damaging.

I hope there's no truth to it because of the very real hurt such a betrayal could cause.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by sixthson

You are overlooking some things, Ky. Boston Pilate also said Andreus was first his student, then his colleague and ultimately a tenant in a property he claimed to own. Don't you think a teacher, colleague and landlord, not to mention a friend in real life would know his name?

you're on to something. bostonpirate has some explaining to do. if you ask me, he's the prime suspect.

if he knows who he is, he should be able to explain instead of playing games.

one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by Kahaih

At the very least, it is odd that this site is willing to maintain online cemetery plots with no bodies/no proof that a real person actually died, yet omits the very real and well-documented Tyler Clementi.

It’s disgraceful, actually. Might as well have a plot in there for Dobby.

As I recall, the ENTIRE Garden of Memories got lost when JUB was upgraded. I'm rather surprised that nobody has been able to find Tyler's thread, though, and move it...presumably it should still be in the archives. I don't remember his username, and I can't remember any *UNCOMMON/RARE* key word that would have been in that thread. (If it was a thread about pumpernickel bread instead, it would be very easy to find.) I already tried finding it once, so I could send the link to a Mod and suggest the thread be moved to GoM, but I had no success.

Originally Posted by bankside

pfff.…if your last name is really even "prism." FAAAAAAAAKE!!!!!

And his first name is Midnight. That is obviously a cat.

When in doubt, ALWAYS blame it on the cat.

Originally Posted by sixthson

You are overlooking some things, Ky. Boston Pilate also said Andreus was first his student, then his colleague and ultimately a tenant in a property he claimed to own. Don't you think a teacher, colleague and landlord, not to mention a friend in real life would know his name?

Could it be that Andreus was paranoid enough, that he worked with a fake ID? All he had to do was to change a couple letters in his real last name, and he probably had the resources to get a fake ID, and he may have been living much of his life under an alias.

In other words, he could *still* be real, and the untraceability of his name wouldn't mean anything.

"Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking." -The Scarecrow, THE WIZARD OF OZ, 1939

Boss, to Sue: "Sorry, we have to downsize, and I need to lay you and Jack off." Sue to boss: "Can you just jack off? I feel like shit today."

Make, for a man, a fire - and he'll be warm for a few hours. Set a man afire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Mexicans are pissed off about Trump's wall but, oh...they'll get over it.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by frankfrank

Could it be that Andreus was paranoid enough, that he worked with a fake ID? All he had to do was to change a couple letters in his real last name, and he probably had the resources to get a fake ID, and he may have been living much of his life under an alias.

In other words, he could *still* be real, and the untraceability of his name wouldn't mean anything.

Sure, it's possible. It's possible he was CIA, it's possible he was Interpol, it's possible he was Greek intelligence, it's possible he faked his death before coming here and assumed an all new name, it's possible he lied about his name.

It's just imho a very fair/reasonable thing to say that the more complicated you need to get in order to keep the persona he presented consistent, the less likely it's genuine.