Anyone arguing that there should be strict gun control needs to read Federalist #46. James Madison (You remember him, correct? Often referred to as The Father of the Constitution) wrote that an armed citizenry was needed to form a civilian militia in the event that an over zealous federal army overstepped its bounds. That's pretty hard to do with pea shooters and only 7 peas...

Anyone arguing that there should be strict gun control needs to read Federalist #46. James Madison (You remember him, correct? Often referred to as The Father of the Constitution) wrote that an armed citizenry was needed to form a civilian militia in the event that an over zealous federal army overstepped its bounds. That's pretty hard to do with pea shooters and only 7 peas...

GLEN ROSE, Texas (AP) — Former Navy SEAL and "American Sniper" author Chris Kyle was fatally shot along with another man Saturday on a Texas gun range, a sheriff told local newspapers.
Erath County Sheriff Tommy Bryant said Kyle, 38, and a second man were found dead at Rough Creek Lodge's shooting range west of Glen Rose, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and Stephenville Empire-Tribune. Glen Rose is about 50 miles southwest of Fort Worth...

...Witnesses told sheriff's investigators that a gunman opened fire on the men around 3:30 p.m. Saturday, then fled in a pickup truck belonging to one of the victims, according to the Star-Telegram. The newspapers said a 25-year-old man was later taken into custody in Lancaster, southeast of Dallas, and that charges were expected...

...The motive for the shooting was unclear.
Kyle wrote the best-selling book, "American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History," detailing his 150-plus kills of insurgents from 1999 to 2009....

the epitome of irony...

Someone must've been on a snipe hunt!

...it happens, no?

a blast from the past ... - - - - and a glimpse into the future...for dutch...

but what is additionally ironic about this is that it's another incident, similar to the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter, where a presumably intelligent person thinks it's a good idea to take a mentally unbalanced person to a shooting range...

all the mental health checks in the world won't save a person from their own misplaced judgement

a blast from the past ... - - - - and a glimpse into the future...for dutch...

but what is additionally ironic about this is that it's another incident, similar to the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter, where a presumably intelligent person thinks it's a good idea to take a mentally unbalanced person to a shooting range...

all the mental health checks in the world won't save a person from their own misplaced judgement

The sniper who was killed was the "deadliest sniper" in U.S. history with 160 confirmed kills. The previous record, 93 kills, was set by a marine during the Vietnam war. He wrote a book about it. He also punched Jesse Ventura after (during?) a wake for a fellow service member because he says Ventura was bad mouthing the U.S. and said that we deserved to lose a few. He started a charity for service members who were returning from combat and had PTSD. He was a husband and a father.

It seems the person who shot him had come to the range with him. It might have been someone he met through his charity but the article doesn't say that.

The sniper who was killed was the "deadliest sniper" in U.S. history with 160 confirmed kills. The previous record, 93 kills, was set by a marine during the Vietnam war. He wrote a book about it. He also punched Jesse Ventura after (during?) a wake for a fellow service member because he says Ventura was bad mouthing the U.S. and said that we deserved to lose a few. He started a charity for service members who were returning from combat and had PTSD. He was a husband and a father.

It seems the person who shot him had come to the range with him. It might have been someone he met through his charity but the article doesn't say that.

At the time I posted that I had only read that he was shot by a guy at the gun range. Well it turns out that the shooter was a friend of theirs that was going thru some things and having a rough time and the two victims were attmepting to help him as friends do. What lead to him actually shooting them I do not know. But the guy died showing yet again that he was a good man.

what I've heard is that he was definitely working with him as a mentor to try to help him deal with post-traumatic stress disorder. So yes, he knew the guy had problems. Obviously wasn't expecting the final outcome.

a blast from the past ... - - - - and a glimpse into the future...for dutch...

what I've heard is that he was definitely working with him as a mentor to try to help him deal with post-traumatic stress disorder. So yes, he knew the guy had problems. Obviously wasn't expecting the final outcome.

The solution is video games! Get your violent tendencies out on pixels!

Seriously, that is a messed up situation.

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Also, I don't recall asking for any specific thing in this thread, except to find ways to reduce the number of bullets a shooter can send out in a killing rampage. What laws do that?

Originally Posted by Stoked

You can't reduce it. They have already shown they don't give a damn about your laws.

Originally Posted by One Brow

Changing what is available will gradually change what is available to criminals, as well, whether they care about the laws or not. So, your blanket proclamation of an inability to reduce the number of bullets is false.

Originally Posted by Stoked

I never said reduce the number of bullets so nice try there.

Your responded by my comment about reducing the number of bullets by claiming it can't be done. Be an adult, and stand behind your words or else renounce them.

Any habitual action, such as eating or dressing, may be performed on the appropriate occasion, without any need of thought, and the same seems to be true of a painfully large proportion of our talk. -- Bertrand Russell

Any habitual action, such as eating or dressing, may be performed on the appropriate occasion, without any need of thought, and the same seems to be true of a painfully large proportion of our talk. -- Bertrand Russell

Of course it's more prevalent than a very narrowly defined circumstance. How do the numbers come out when you add everything to the other side of the ledger equally as you have with your gun owner killings side? I'm guessing rape alone is at least more than 10 times and home invasions at least quadruple.

Can you be more specific?

Owning and carrying a gun doesn't significantly reduce your chances of being raped. Most home invasions occur when the homeowner is absent. So, adding them in the discussion about guns doesn't produce equality.

Specifically, the remarkably high number of gun deaths, compared to other developed nations.

Any habitual action, such as eating or dressing, may be performed on the appropriate occasion, without any need of thought, and the same seems to be true of a painfully large proportion of our talk. -- Bertrand Russell

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