31 Comments:

Good post dude. I hope people realize that Quixstar is a scam preying on the ignorant and brainwashing them.

Abt the money: It costs a lot. Thats why QuixBots need to slave away at their hated 9-5 job to pay for these expenses. At least, those who love their job are more likely to have a career and succeed in their profession.

Abt the time: These stupid Quixstar "IBOs" don't have anything better to do with their time than to hang out with other QuixLosers. So they can't really complain about time.

I agree with anon1. I would add that most IBO's don't track their expenses. Even if they see a loss they are told by their adored upline that it is normal and success is just around the corner creating excitement, therefore, they ignore the loss. Add on top of that the pressure an IBO is put under to buy tools and attend these meetings or not and risk being chastized, so they continue at any cost.Time wise...I add that they are encoraged to surround themselves people who are positive about the business and to not waste their time with anyone negative as that may influence them. So basically that leaves them with only other Q* folk to be with. They see that their time is being well spent, no matter the cost.

An open at the time I was doing the "business" was $3.00 which included the "speech" and the "training session" after. however there is the "hidden" cost. So basic cost per year $150.00 add to at least one night owl a month, which was free unless you ate, let say $5.00, lets say $60 a year.. Now the basic is $210.00. I have not added car maintance. In the grand scheme, $210.00 per year is not a major cost. However it is the tip of the iceberg. Add weekly tapes, around 210.00 now we have two soft drinks a day to give up..again no biggie. Then the amvox..but hey there is pv/bv yet it is still a cost of doing business. If I remember correctly it was around $21.00 per month, we are now up to $670 for the year. Four major functions at $50.00 now we are at $870.00. The thing about it, is this is each year and this is basic.

From our experience personal experience: In our area an open meeting was $5 per person. So for a couple it cost us $10. Sometimes there was a "training session" for our team after the meeting and if so it was included in the price of attending the meeting. There was always the "meeting after the meeting" usually at a coffee shop where food and beverage costs were normally at least $20. We always had at least a coffee each and most nights a toasted sandwich or other light meal as we often were pressed for time with us both getting home from work, getting the kids organized and getting ready to head out to the meeting.Babysitting costs were $30 per week. Based on mileage the vehicle cost was about $6 per week. Literature packs were about $50 and on average we probably lost one per month. So personally our expenses for the open were $10 + $20 + $30 + $12 = $72 per week. I personally believe that the weekly open is a cash cow for the higher pin running the meeting in many locations. We saw many, many meetings being run with 100 to 150 ibo's at $5 per person. Our research of all the relevant venues showed that the average cost to hire the room for the evening was about $150. This shows a profit of $350 to $600 per meeting. We know some diamonds that ran opens in several locations. We believe that the speaking fee paid to the higher pins balances out because they all take turns at speaking for each other anyway.Looking back now it is sickening to see that we followed the system for so long.

SEE... WE WHINE, WHINE AND WHINE BECAUSE "this is each year and this is basic" AND "it is sickening to see that we followed the system for so long."! WOOOOW! NAUGHTY!

UNLESS YOU WERE ALREADY BROKE OTHERWISE, WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE? YOU PROBABLY $PEND A FEW HUNDRED PER YEAR GOING TO MCDONALDS ANYWAY! WHY NOT INVEST IT IN YOUR BUSINESS? WELL, FIRST YOU MUST BELIEVE IN YOUR RETURN POTENTIAL OTHERWISE, NO WONDER ONE FINDS AN EXCUSE TO QUIT!YOU FOUND YOUR EXCUSE!

dear loser,to hell with your engineering mentality. why dont you just believe blindly instead of questioning? and that too with numbers! oh, the audacity. success comes to those who submit with blind faith and not to whiners who ask too many tough questions.

to the poster - "UNLESS YOU WERE ALREADY BROKE OTHERWISE, WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE? YOU PROBABLY $PEND A FEW HUNDRED PER YEAR GOING TO MCDONALDS ANYWAY! WHY NOT INVEST IT IN YOUR BUSINESS? WELL, FIRST YOU MUST BELIEVE IN YOUR RETURN POTENTIAL OTHERWISE, NO WONDER ONE FINDS AN EXCUSE TO QUIT!"

What makes you think we need an excuse? Who says we didn't believe in our return potential? For your information friend, we made it well into the top 1% of all ibo's. We qualified for seven (7) all expense paid amway trips. We have several plaques from rich and jay in our cupboard. We didn't quit on an excuse. An excuse is just the skin of a reason stuffed with a lie. We quit because of the many truths we discovered once we achieved the higher levels. (Judging by the tone of your post I believe levels that you are probably just dreaming about achieving).

How is your amquix business going? How many personals have you sponsored? How many are in your group? What is your monthly net profit that you will be showing on your taxes this year? What is the average net profit of all those involved in your group?

I encourage you to take a long hard look at what you are involved in, because believe me when you make it to the top, if you are a person of integrity, you won't like what you see!

anon3 said..."SEE... WE WHINE, WHINE AND WHINE BECAUSE "this is each year and this is basic" AND "it is sickening to see that we followed the system for so long."! WOOOOW! NAUGHTY!

UNLESS YOU WERE ALREADY BROKE OTHERWISE, WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE? YOU PROBABLY $PEND A FEW HUNDRED PER YEAR GOING TO MCDONALDS ANYWAY! WHY NOT INVEST IT IN YOUR BUSINESS? WELL, FIRST YOU MUST BELIEVE IN YOUR RETURN POTENTIAL OTHERWISE, NO WONDER ONE FINDS AN EXCUSE TO QUIT!YOU FOUND YOUR EXCUSE!"

Let me ask you this...how many other businesses do you know of that make you pay weekly for the information needed to succeed in that business? I don't care if its a dollar a week, it doesn't make sense. Your upline is invested in you, more like you are invested in your upline. If this is such a great "opoortunity" and produces countless millionaires with little overhead then why the need fo these weekly meetings? Why the need to pay for them? Does the information needed to run your "business" really fluctuate that often that weekly meetings are needed? If so, then maybe there is a problem with the "business" to begin with.

gina... just who are you? Your attitude clearly shows that you expect to see results upfront, overnight or whatever. My parents are pretty much the same. My mom said that she will just "TRY", NOT DO and that she will QUIT in ONE WEEK if she does not see results! Besides, I have invited my parents several times to the evening open meeting and EVERY TIME they REFUSE to attend because they will LOSE 60 DOLLARS at their JOB! Sad!

Anonymous said... gina... just who are you? Your attitude clearly shows that you expect to see results upfront, overnight or whatever. My parents are pretty much the same. My mom said that she will just "TRY", NOT DO and that she will QUIT in ONE WEEK if she does not see results! Besides, I have invited my parents several times to the evening open meeting and EVERY TIME they REFUSE to attend because they will LOSE 60 DOLLARS at their JOB! Sad!

I am Gina....I am a traditional business owner.(before you ask, it is doing very well, thank-you) I do not expect to see results in one week with anything much less business. But back to the point, in true IBO fashion you dodged the questions at hand. Do you really get so much diverse and valuable informaton for your "business" weekly by paying for these meetings?? Or are they just put in place to keep you reeled in and your check book open? In the face of valid questions that would force logic in answering you try to turn things around. That in itself answered my questions. Sounds like your parents are pretty smart...it's a shame they were unable to pass that along to you.

Thank God I don't resemble too much to them or else I would be as they are and have what they have.

It's a shame when at 27 years old, my mom still tells me that:

"10 o'clock is bed time because tomorrow morning you wake up at 6!"

"don't talk to strangers!"

"don't talk to girls or women because they are crazy and can go to the police and say you were trying to rape them!"

"don't attempt to think that you can control and do whatever you want in your life, no one does!"

"don't think that you can be who you want to be , be like the rest of the society or else you will be an outcast and a sociopath!"

"don't ever distribute the 10 Commandments because only cults and old women do so!"

"don't think that dreamers are real, they are fools and disconnected from reality!"

"don't think you are special; you are ordinary like me and your father!"

"don't dream, be happy and accept to take shit from others!"

"work and stress keep you young and healthy!"

"the real way to make money is to have a job, business owners are lucky with inheritances from their parents!"

"that Quixtar business does not work and it is cheaper at Walmart!"

And with that last argument I have REPEATEDLY attempted to invite my parents ONCE, JUST ONCE to a Tuesday evening meeting so that they get see with their own eyes the business plan as presented by knowledgeable IBOs.

And yet, EVERY TIME I did, they turned that invitation down because they would LOOSE 60 DOLLARS for taking ONE EVENING OFF FROM WORK!

Besides, they ALREADY KNEW THE BUSINESS PLAN and what they were drawing on paper and explaining to me DID NOT resemble EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE to the actual plan.

But I guess, just because they call themselves "parents" means that they know it all second to God.

LOL!!! Here's a thought Anon, if your parents are crazy then why not get out on your own and spread your wings? Learn how the real world functions, find what best suits you. Although your parents are crazy, you still can not fight the need to recruit them into Q*!! That is messed up. And David is right....27 and STILL living at home? Wow...they say that it takes a certain kind of person to make it to the millionaire level in business...I had no idea that they meant people like you!!!

no thanks....I have an excellent sex life with mu hubby....don't need your help. But thanks for the outstanding, intelligent comment. Your upline must be soooo very proud of you. Take note all you IBO's that say a few bad apples...blah blah blah....seems to be you are in the basket with more than a few, and soon they will start having an effect on you!!!

"Joecool, Anna28 and the rest of you,How about you focus on your own lives and let the IBOs focus on theirs?You are not productive in your arguments and it seems to me at least, that you are only looking for trouble.

To have someone go all the way to tell you to off is an indication you provoke people and based on the comments I saw you make not only on this blog, but others as well."

I will agree with Alvis on the point that there are some unproductive discussions,name calling and just downright rude comments, however, so be it, it is that darn freedom of speech thing.. and I would add, there is also the freedom to not listen..

The purpose of this blog is to discuss all sides of the Amway business, going back to that freedom of speech thingy.

If one thinks that they can show up and declare..how I or anyone should conduct themselves is well against the freedom of speech thingy.

I am not saying a person should not sign up to be an Amway salesperson...I did and found out that it is a very elaborate con job. I was one of the lucky ones.. got out before it was too late.

The point of the original post was the cost of doing business. I guess one of those cost is the loss of freedom of speech...

look you guys its very clear you hate quixtar, i too think it smells bad, you have to stop and think about what your criticizing, i can not speak for all groups, but the group i was tied in to taught alot of stuff the was based on success principals, which came from other professionals, i know there are groups that suck we all agree on that, but go after that stuff, when you criticize general things it make you look...well just angry and thats only going to help some angry person vent, if your gonna cut q/a down then do some research on the company that hasnt done a good job working with and building up its people.

because you could counter what you right about opens by simple saying how much does college cost?

and then we could say something retorical like how much to you get paid in the career of your choice if you quit?

I am going to waste a few more minutes of my life and respond to you non achieving individuals. To get it up front I am not involved in the Quixtar business.I am going to say I have read more intelligent statements on the bathroom walls in truck stops across this country. I can assure you most of you will achieve very little in life since your following the masses, which means the blind leading the blind. I want to say there is nothing wrong with an individual just wanting a job and helping your boss live a great life style and sending his family on vacations and paying for their kids schooling, while you try and pay the electric bill and hope you can afford to take your family out to eat and watch a movie maybe twice a month.Let me remind each and everyone of you, if your are an employee you are overhead kinda like trash. If you think you are unreplaceable I got some great property in the dessert to sell you "GENSIS". Keep in mind the advancements we have had in this world wasn't done by quiters. Think god people like those trying to build any business don't listen to most of you or we still would be in the stone age.I am not putting down that person who wants a career in what ever because if it makes them fill accomplished when they take their last breath" GREAT" they did do something to better our world and they will be remembered for their accomplishments but for you who will spend your life making excuses you don't have to worry about nothing you have arrived at the bottom of the barrel, so keep watching your T.V. and playing ur games and hopefully your life will be short so you will quit taking valuable space on this earth so we will have room for those who will keep on keeping on toward their dreams and goals. Always remember most people on this site will put down anybody trying to do better for themselves and their family. Besides if you do reach your goals in life what excuse will these quiters use then why they got nothing out of life except for heartburns and indigestion.

I'm just wondering: Why are there IBO's arguing with everyone on this blog anyway? Could it be that they're a little insecure in their choice of business and are seeking the truth? Let's be nice to these poor, searching souls who have been misguided.

Also, it seems to me (no matter what Quixtar upline says) that the reason people quit is not because they weren't committed or they're losers - it's because they know the definition of insanity. If something is not working, why do the same things and expect the results to change? After years of doing everything I was told, "showing the plan" five nights a week (sometimes 2 and 3 appointments in one day, I still don't know where we got all those prospects...maybe that's why we don't have any friends!) we never showed a profit on our Schedule C. Something's wrong with the Quixtar picture, and it sure isn't those hardworking IBO's who just can't seem to move to the next pin.

Quixtar my Ass, Lately I threw around $275 in this stinkning business and travelled few states in US for so called learning to show plan. To me it seems more like begging than any kind of business as they call it. You know you have to be a beggar by nature in order to succeed in it,if not everybody at least my upline and his uplines are. I have seen people talking about them as creepy thugs and salesmen selling their plans and products in the name of friendship and trust.I got few opportunities to make so called new business owners in the form of my friends and near ones but I cannot cheat anybody leave aside my close ones, for something that I myself don't like or trust. One of the persons in my upline hierarchy keeps on calling and bugging me about all this stuff and unnecesssary excitement that I should have, most of the times I don't pick up his phone and whenever I do I indirectly scold him and tell him not to call me anymore and hang up the phone, he however doesn't seem to take it to heart and keeps on doing whatever he has to. Is this what quixtar wants me to do??? If yes.. then thanks but no thanks! I don't care about the money that I lost in it, I'd rather prefer learning to play some musical instrument and start performing on streets and subways. If somebody throws a buck on me it'd be for my art/honesty and not for my wiles or any deceptive and tempting language.

Did any of you go at least go eagle? If not and if you are an "active" IBO, just get those stupid 10 SOTs and 10 people to function and then come and comment here. (Chances are you would be working your BUNS off and wont come back here... hehe)

Quixtar/amway is not a scam. It is a legitimate business, approved by the FTC.

BWW tools and the functions - it is also another business. There is money in it for platinums and above. It is also legitimized.

BUT... BUT... BUT...

Your upline may be abusing a lot of things!

You won't notice much until they gain influence over you. Then you will feel the "pull" to be with them at the leaderships. This is how they make you buy extra products. Whenever there is a leadership you will be forced to qualify. So be prepared to sell a lot of products, else you will stock them up at your home...

Then you will feel the "pull" to go eagle some day sooner or later... please do not fake the extra PV checks... right now, with the tap rooting and stuff, it is 3 legs - if you fake your 3rd PV check, then GOD is watching you. Your upline may waive it for you, but remember GOD - HE is out there and HE knows the truth.

So dont fake any pin. build it right.

If you did not go platinum 5 months after you went silver and are not even eagle and you hate yourself, please go out of town for 30 days and escape from your uplines and downlines. do not do any of the 9-5-3-BiB. you can come back and quit easily. you do not need to go to another one of those leaderships as a fake pin and spend your money.

Finally Is your home really a happy home?. If it has become a battle ground, then you are just wasting your time, money and energy.

I respect your opinions that this costs money that you're not willing to invest and that is fine. I started my first business(store with an overhead and products) when I was 20 years old. The costs of a few functions and a $7 open each week is nothing compared to the hundreds per week I had to invest in my store. The first year was basically all out of pocket before I started to turn a profit. I sold the store as it was not turning as much profit for my time investment as I needed in my life. I got involved with Amway after losing a job where I was working 60hr/week completely unhappy. I am now working as a Marketing Specialist in an independent company 40 hours a week while building my business and taking 15 credits a semester continuing my education. I still have off my Saturdays and Sundays which are the days I devote to my fiancee and social life. All I am saying is the monetary investment for my first business vs. Amway would take me 10 years of showing no profits to equate to 1 year as a small business owner. Amway is not a get rich quick scheme, but the investment both time and money are worth it. I am a professional as well as an IBO and I get numbers daily while networking for my business. The reason why the percentages are so low on Platinum, Emerald, and Diamond is because 80% of people I've seen come and go sign up looking for someone to hand them money for their investments and then quit weeks later complaining about the same things you complained about on this site. If you can't afford gas, a trip to the diner, chipping in towards an open to cover the expense of the Ballroom your group rented, or a few books that are -in my opinion- good to read for any situation in life then you really need to fix your lives.