Comments on Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT CenterTypePad2012-08-15T22:56:32ZAndy Towlehttp://www.towleroad.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:http://www.towleroad.com/2012/08/family-research-council-shooter-floyd-corkins-was-volunteering-at-dc-lgbt-center/comments/atom.xml/vonlmo commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0177442cd718970d2012-08-17T00:46:02Z2012-08-17T00:46:02ZvonlmoMr Katz,on page 2, so I guess you would have condemned any resistance & been loathe to participate in the...<p>Mr Katz,on page 2, so I guess you would have condemned any resistance &amp; been loathe to participate in the Warsaw ghetto uprising?</p>Nunov Yurbiznez commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0177442cd019970d2012-08-17T00:39:38Z2012-08-17T00:39:38ZNunov Yurbiznez"How many news organizations will bother to round out their reporting by mentioning that SPLC has officially designated FRC a...<p>&quot;How many news organizations will bother to round out their reporting by mentioning that SPLC has officially designated FRC a hate group?&quot;</p>
<p>Hopefully none of them will be retarded enough to believe that the SPLC&#39;s designation means anything other than jack squat.</p>anon commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef01761744733c970c2012-08-16T16:46:17Z2012-08-16T16:46:17ZanonWell, someone must know this guy and can say why they think he snapped.<p>Well, someone must know this guy and can say why they think he snapped.</p>Caliban commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0177442a5d67970d2012-08-16T13:53:35Z2012-08-16T13:53:35ZCaliban@Richard Keene, you're not very bright, are you? The difference between a group opposed to marriage equality and a hate...<p>@Richard Keene, you&#39;re not very bright, are you? The difference between a group opposed to marriage equality and a hate group is obvious, not subtle in the least. </p>
<p>Groups like the FRC don&#39;t just say they don&#39;t support gays marrying because traditionally it&#39;s never been that way or because they&#39;re religiously opposed, they use every opportunity to demonize gay people, accuse us of trying to destroy marriage, even civilization itself, molest and &quot;recruit&quot; children, and take away religious freedom in this country. They paint us not just as sub-human but evil, deliberately whipping up fear of and hate against gay people, usually right before begging for donations to fight the &quot;demonic&quot; gays who are set upon the destruction of all that is good. Several of these groups are behind the attempts to pass laws in Uganda and other African countries that would punish homosexuality with the Death Penalty.</p>
<p>So let&#39;s call a spade a spade, shall we? They ARE hate groups and they deserve to be called as such.</p>Yeek commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0177442a44f3970d2012-08-16T13:29:51Z2012-08-16T13:29:51ZYeek"Anyone who clings to the historically untrue — and thoroughly immoral — doctrine that “violence never solves anything” I would...<p>&quot;Anyone who clings to the historically untrue — and thoroughly immoral — doctrine that “violence never solves anything” I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.&quot;</p>
<p>The problem with the above perspective in this case is that there will always be more of them than us. And it&#39;s so easy to use violence in a thoughtless, counterproductive way. <br />
</p>Jack M commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0167694f0716970b2012-08-16T12:16:12Z2012-08-16T12:16:12ZJack MDon't worry, the homophobes would hate us even if this guy didn't do what he did, and they would find...<p>Don&#39;t worry, the homophobes would hate us even if this guy didn&#39;t do what he did, and they would find other reasons to declare themselves martyrs and victims. The beat goes on.</p>Diogenes Arktos commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0167694f02c1970b2012-08-16T12:11:17Z2012-08-16T12:11:17ZDiogenes Arktos"I hope that this makes people on the other side stop and think about how they are treating us helps...<p>&quot;I hope that this makes people on the other side stop and think about how they are treating us helps to motivate these incidents.&quot;</p>
<p>Fat chance. They think they have the absolute truth. Therefore, anything they do is OK with God. (Think about the Miller case.) Just remember, moreover, that the Pope more or less lauded anti-LGBT violence because we are demanding rights that do not belong to us.</p>Diogenes Arktos commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0177442a00b1970d2012-08-16T12:11:16Z2012-08-16T12:11:16ZDiogenes Arktos"I hope that this makes people on the other side stop and think about how they are treating us helps...<p>&quot;I hope that this makes people on the other side stop and think about how they are treating us helps to motivate these incidents.&quot;</p>
<p>Fat chance. They think they have the absolute truth. Therefore, anything they do is OK with God. (Think about the Miller case.) Just remember, moreover, that the Pope more or less lauded anti-LGBT violence because we are demanding rights that do not belong to us.</p>Richard Keefe commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef01774429effa970d2012-08-16T11:53:04Z2012-08-16T11:53:04ZRichard Keefehttp://rkeefe57.wordpress.com/There is no legal definition of "hate group," which is why even the FBI does not, cannot, designate "hate groups,"...<p>There is no legal definition of &quot;hate group,&quot; which is why even the FBI does not, cannot, designate &quot;hate groups,&quot; but somehow a private fundraising company like the SPLC can?</p>
<p>The SPLC has no more authority to designate &quot;hate groups&quot; than does the SPCA.</p>
<p>The SPLC uses the deliberately meaningless term &quot;hate group&quot; in its fundraising propaganda because it riles up its mostly elderly donor base without accusing those groups of any actual crimes.</p>
<p>Mark Potok, the SPLC&#39;s public relations chief, has stated on numerous occasions that &quot;A &quot;hate group&quot; has nothing to do with criminality or violence, or the potential for violence. It&#39;s all about ideology.&quot;</p>
<p>No crime, no violence, just &quot;wrong thinking.&quot;</p>
<p>Still, Potok&#39;s &quot;hate group&quot; label has become the SPLC&#39;s most profitable brand name, bringing in more than $106,000 donor dollars each and every day, or more than $4,400 every hour.</p>
<p>http://wp.me/pCLYZ-d3</p>
<p>One has to wonder how much genuine good that money could do if donated to local charities, food banks, Women&#39;s shelters and clinics?</p>John commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0167694ef131970b2012-08-16T11:52:15Z2012-08-16T11:52:15ZJohnViolence will only accomplish one thing: more hate reflected back at us. We all need to fight in the court...<p>Violence will only accomplish one thing: more hate reflected back at us. We all need to fight in the court of public opinion and in the actual courts, and eschew violence. </p>millerbeach commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef01761742f48a970c2012-08-16T09:26:12Z2012-08-16T09:26:12ZmillerbeachYes, Mr. Brown, the hate must end. On your part. You reap what you sow. All you and your organization...<p>Yes, Mr. Brown, the hate must end. On your part. You reap what you sow. All you and your organization do is spew hate. What did you expect in return? I have as much empathy for you and your community as you do for ours when one of us is killed. Jesus was not a hater. You want to be like him, right? Then the hate stops now. Just do it.</p>Buckie commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef017744290052970d2012-08-16T06:37:58Z2012-08-16T06:37:58ZBuckieIt's weird, and more than a bit sleazy of NOM to use this incident to blame the gays for The...<p>It&#39;s weird, and more than a bit sleazy of NOM to use this incident to blame the gays for The Southern Poverty Law Center (correctly) listing them as a hate group.</p>
<p>Something about this seems engineered to me.</p>
<p>Am I paranoid ? Yeah, a little, but they&#39;re really after me, aren&#39;t they ?</p>
<p>And how is it that NOM can use this incident to say that they are &quot;pro marriage&quot; ? They&#39;re against MY marriage, yet MY marriage doesn&#39;t impact them in ANY way.</p>
<p>Crap, now I feel like shooting someone there.</p>Yeek commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef01774428e0a6970d2012-08-16T05:59:51Z2012-08-16T05:59:51ZYeekViolence DOES solve problems sometimes. But it's pretty rare. And this fat slob certainly can thank his lucky stars that...<p>Violence DOES solve problems sometimes. But it&#39;s pretty rare. And this fat slob certainly can thank his lucky stars that he was a terrible shot and a terrible hand-to-hand combatant, because he may not go to prison for the rest of his life. </p>"The Gay" commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef01774428e060970d2012-08-16T05:59:38Z2012-08-16T05:59:38Z"The Gay"It's depressing to see one voice of reason and intelligence for every ten here; we have EVERYTHING to lose, and...<p>It&#39;s depressing to see one voice of reason and intelligence for every ten here; we have EVERYTHING to lose, and so little to gain by emulating our enemies.</p>
<p>Signed</p>
<p>A proud, anonymous gay man who isn&#39;t impressed by gay bullies that pretend to be for the diversity they so actively suppress, at every opportunity...</p>EchtKultig commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef01761741ed4e970c2012-08-16T03:59:35Z2012-08-16T03:59:35ZEchtKultigVERY well said, Jean-Pierre Katz. I tried to make the same point in a previous thread, but less eloquently. If...<p>VERY well said, Jean-Pierre Katz. I tried to make the same point in a previous thread, but less eloquently.<br />
If you know an LGBT person who feels that any kind of violence against our enemies is the right path to take, please, get them help.<br />
</p>Such A Shame... commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef017744287486970d2012-08-16T03:55:22Z2012-08-16T03:55:22ZSuch A Shame...If only FRC hadn't insisted on flaunting that lifestyle in everyone else's faces. They were attracting all that negative attention...<p>If only FRC hadn&#39;t insisted on flaunting that lifestyle in everyone else&#39;s faces. They were attracting all that negative attention and acting out, it was only a matter of time before something happened.</p>
<p>(I am being sarcastic -- the above is what FRC types say whenever an openly gay or trans person is seriously assaulted or killed).</p>Jean-Pierre Katz commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef01774428614f970d2012-08-16T03:35:34Z2012-08-16T03:35:34ZJean-Pierre KatzA young Jewish man in Paris was fed up when his parents and uncle were deported from Germany because they...<p>A young Jewish man in Paris was fed up when his parents and uncle were deported from Germany because they were Jews.</p>
<p>So he killed the German ambassador.</p>
<p>This was 1939.</p>
<p>What did the Germans do?</p>
<p>They burned every Jewish synagogue and business in Germany, beat up thousands of Jews and killed many they beat up.<br />
This was the beginning of the Holocaust.</p>
<p>Minority groups can not afford vigilante murderers.</p>
<p>FRC is advocating the same things the Nazi party was advocating for, but I strongly condemn this young man&#39;s immoral violence.<br />
I hope they throw the book at him.</p>Michael commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef017744285e42970d2012-08-16T03:32:01Z2012-08-16T03:32:01ZMichaelOne last note, I'm inclined to say this was an inside job at FRC because IF FRC was going to...<p>One last note, I&#39;m inclined to say this was an inside job at FRC because IF FRC was going to pay someone to do this, the security guard, ie someone that doesn&#39;t actually have anything to do with those at FRC, would be the one person they would sacrifice.</p>Michael commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef01761741cde9970c2012-08-16T03:28:40Z2012-08-16T03:28:40ZMichaelI'm sorry but something does not add up here at all. Let's say, any of us decided we've had enough...<p>I&#39;m sorry but something does not add up here at all.</p>
<p>Let&#39;s say, any of us decided we&#39;ve had enough and snapped so we grabbed a gun and headed to FRC. Would ANY of us shoot a security guard? He&#39;s a hired man, he has NOTHING to do with the ideology at FRC. Why not wait to find someone who was actually involved with FRC and shoot them? </p>
<p>Also, this guy was a desk clerk, if I read it right, and therefor knew the &quot;front men&quot;, ie desk clerks, security guards, etc, etc, weren&#39;t really at the core of the organization.</p>
<p>Think about it. If you were going to go plant a bomb, would you go drop it off at the corner by a garbage can or would you place it smack in the center of the building where it would do the most harm.</p>
<p>Sorry, but my intuition tells me this guy was paid off to do this. Maybe it&#39;s conspiracy theory 101 but why in the hell would you shoot the hired help when you could just as easily shoot the head of the household?</p>
<p>btw2, I&#39;m not advocating violence but let&#39;s be realistic here. Do those who go shoot up abortion clinics just go shoot the front desk clerk or do they hunt down the doctor?</p>Not Surprised At All commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0167694d28c9970b2012-08-16T02:51:08Z2012-08-16T02:51:08ZNot Surprised At AllIt was only a matter of time before someone a little nutty went off the deep end. You cannot attack...<p>It was only a matter of time before someone a little nutty went off the deep end.</p>
<p>You cannot attack people, call them subhuman, call for their permanent marginalizing under the law, gleefully torture them into despair or suicide as teens, and not expect one of them to eventually crack.</p>
<p>Is it horrible that the guy went on a shooting spree? Absolutely. Does that validate the haters&#39; agenda? Not any more than some guy with a gun at KKK headquarters would validate the &quot;race debate&quot; that the &quot;pro-white&quot; groups wish to advance.</p>David Ehrenstein commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0167694d166a970b2012-08-16T02:33:54Z2012-08-16T02:33:54ZDavid Ehrensteinhttp://www.ehrensteinland.comThe only thing Brian Brown has to worry about is being outed.<p>The only thing Brian Brown has to worry about is being outed. </p>andrew commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0167694d0f4a970b2012-08-16T02:25:56Z2012-08-16T02:25:56ZandrewHis evil action should be unconditionally condemned by all.<p>His evil action should be unconditionally condemned by all.</p>Eivar commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef017617416c7a970c2012-08-16T01:59:54Z2012-08-16T01:59:54ZEivarI am not sure what is more depressing, this news item or some of the comments. Anyone even casually justifying...<p>I am not sure what is more depressing, this news item or some of the comments. Anyone even casually justifying someone being shot is a pretty abhorrent person, in my opinion. The man he shot was likely some low wage security guard. It astounds me that anyone can justify someone going on a shooting rampage.</p>EchtKultig commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0176174160f1970c2012-08-16T01:47:48Z2012-08-16T01:47:48ZEchtKultigRed the 2nd page of comments that I hadn't seen earlier. RB - you have a point that he could...<p>Red the 2nd page of comments that I hadn&#39;t seen earlier.<br />
RB - you have a point that he could have been mentally ill. Unfortunately, at this point, it&#39;s too late for the political ramifications to be contained. The dweebs on the right are going to be all broadcasting all over their echo chambers about how this is a sign of a some armed leftist insurrection LOL. The gay activism community needs to get out there on the cable shows and underscore than violence is not part our &quot;platform&quot;.<br />
</p>simon commented on 'Family Research Council Shooter Floyd Corkins Was Volunteering at D.C. LGBT Center'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c730253ef0167694ce4ba970b2012-08-16T01:41:51Z2012-08-16T01:41:51ZsimonBrian Brown can now find a face saving way to retire because his group is getting nowhere.<p>Brian Brown can now find a face saving way to retire because his group is getting nowhere.</p>