Federer is the world #1, the real #1 and the best player out there.
People who are comparing Federer and Wozniacki are idiots. Federer is the complete opposite of her as More slams than anybody else is the opposite of less slams than everybody else. If anything, Djokovic is the Azarenka of ATP: Gets his time of glory but irrelevant when discussing the greatest players in history.
As for year-end #1, I really hope that the debate is about this. This is at least a legitimate question. I still can't look past Federer to finish first, mainly because of the indoor swing, but we'll see.
But there's no further debate about these two. 31 year old Roger stronger than prime Novak pretty much says it all. Imagine the Wimbledon SF if both were in their prime, not just Novak. The Serb would be lucky to steal an average of 1.5 games a set.

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ROGER FEDERER

'Roger Federer is the best ever' - Everyone else other than John McEnroe*

I am not arguing 7545 is better than 8110, far from it, but you should really learn to count. Federer has played no more tournaments than Djokovic, they are both on 12. If you disagree, please humor me by listing the 14 tournaments in which you believe Federer has achieved ranking points this year.

I says on the ATP website. But I just chacked, and Fed has 13 (Doha, AO, Dubai, Davic Cup, RG, SW19, OGs, Rotterdam, Halle, IW, Miami, Madrid and Rome) and Novak has 11 (AO, RG, SW19, IW, Miami, MC, Madrid, Rome, Toronto, OGs and Dubai). Even not counting Feds Davis Cup, he still played 1 more tournament than Novak. And then some Fed fans say Novak is vulturing but the weakest tournament he played was the strongest 500 of the season.

I think at the moment and the time of the year the YTD rankings is more efficient than the 52 week rankings. I don't get the discussion on whose Goat and talking about the past achievements Federer or Djokovic, it's about the year-end ranking. Right now its Djokovic leading the YTD rankings i think it depends what Federer can do at the rest of the US Open Swing if he can maybe finish at the very least finals of both Cincy and US Open, i will favor him more to end as no. 1 as i think he can do better at the indoor courts.

I think at the moment and the time of the year the YTD rankings is more efficient than the 52 week rankings. I don't get the discussion on whose Goat and talking about the past achievements Federer or Djokovic, it's about the year-end ranking. Right now its Djokovic leading the YTD rankings i think it depends what Federer can do at the rest of the US Open Swing if he can maybe finish at the very least finals of both Cincy and US Open, i will favor him more to end as no. 1 as i think he can do better at the indoor courts.

On winning DC and its overall importance in the discussion for all-time greats

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Originally Posted by Orbis

Davis Cup should never have really mattered in the GOAT discussion anyway since it's a team event. If you're talking about the GOAT singles player then you should mainly look at individual results.If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.

imo the ranking being won/lost this year on grass is significant. Federer is the all surface king, Djokovic couldn't keep up on grass, that's what it comes down to. Very likely that he'll regain the number 1 as the hard court season continues but the damage is already done - Federer further solidifies his greatness and consistency by regaining the ranking at 30 years old, while the Noletards cry Federer is so mean to interrupt the 2.0 wankfest with his cheating ways/winning.

Don't see Federer winning Paris again which is a significant chunk of points but of course could be rendered irrelevant by what happens at the USO. A Federer/Djokovic final could clinch YE#1 for one of them, and cause World War 3 on MTF, can't wait

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Never mind. I mixed up some facts. If a mod sees this, please delete this post. Can't figure out how to delete posts on the iPhone app.

Federer is the world #1, the real #1 and the best player out there.
People who are comparing Federer and Wozniacki are idiots. Federer is the complete opposite of her as More slams than anybody else is the opposite of less slams than everybody else. If anything, Djokovic is the Azarenka of ATP: Gets his time of glory but irrelevant when discussing the greatest players in history.
As for year-end #1, I really hope that the debate is about this. This is at least a legitimate question. I still can't look past Federer to finish first, mainly because of the indoor swing, but we'll see.
But there's no further debate about these two. 31 year old Roger stronger than prime Novak pretty much says it all. Imagine the Wimbledon SF if both were in their prime, not just Novak. The Serb would be lucky to steal an average of 1.5 games a set.

Don't even comment on the fedzniacki thing. Its from the most stupid of fanboys or plain haters. Bringing up two of the best 500.s in the year but totally OK with Monte Carlo and now Toronto.. And totally ignoring the O2 where Fed is undefeated BtB

Lol, Fed>Agassi on HCs and no. As Nole spam likes counting only the current period, they haven't played on HCs this year, so I find it hard to really say he's so far out.

I thought you hated using Nole Fan to win an argument

But in all seriousness H2H is over rated to me .I prefer how the players performed against the field than on a one to one basis .Fact of the matter is out of the 4 important hard court events this year ,Novak has won 3 of those while Roger only has 1 .And should we really penalize Novak for not beating Fed at the AO because Federer laid a egg in that semi .Novak is the best hard court player right now

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Originally Posted by nick the greek

Me and Fed, so special. I want him to stick around as long as possible.

I says on the ATP website. But I just chacked, and Fed has 13 (Doha, AO, Dubai, Davic Cup, RG, SW19, OGs, Rotterdam, Halle, IW, Miami, Madrid and Rome) and Novak has 11 (AO, RG, SW19, IW, Miami, MC, Madrid, Rome, Toronto, OGs and Dubai). Even not counting Feds Davis Cup, he still played 1 more tournament than Novak. And then some Fed fans say Novak is vulturing but the weakest tournament he played was the strongest 500 of the season.

Weakest tourney he played is Toronto.

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'Roger Federer is the best ever' - Everyone else other than John McEnroe*

I dont know about that yet but the US Open is gonna decide who had the better year .Until then you cant say who is better The fact that Fed at 31 and past his prime is even competing with players 6 years his junior is commendable to me

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Originally Posted by nick the greek

Me and Fed, so special. I want him to stick around as long as possible.

On winning DC and its overall importance in the discussion for all-time greats

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Originally Posted by Orbis

Davis Cup should never have really mattered in the GOAT discussion anyway since it's a team event. If you're talking about the GOAT singles player then you should mainly look at individual results.If some unknown talent came out of some random tiny country (no chance to win DC) and won 20 slams, no one would give a single shit if that player didn't have DC. The fact is, success in DC is largely determined by what country you come from or play for in the first place, which most players haven't had any control over.

Even better, weakest tournament he played is a Masters1000. Then Novak is some player able to vulture masters. He should have said 'Fu*k my 1000 points, I want to be ranked no2, lose points and money. It's not that i'm tired or anything, the thing is that Roger pulled out, so it wouldn't be fair for me to win the tournament without Roger playing.' Or you think it's he fault that Murray retired, Delpo and Tsonga lost? You think he sould have pulled out of the tournament or tanked after he saw they lost?