It has nothing to do with "good enough". They are just really, really hoping the young people who turn in for the Super Bowl who would never flip to CBS unless it was for HIMYM will accidentally see the episode and watch it. Because for the number of overall viewers it has, its demo numbers are embarrassing. And those are what drive ad sales. CBS is trying so hard to make the show hip. It's painful. It's like your grandpa trying to be cool.

Good, interesting performances from Holmes, Watson, and the always-enjoyable Aidan Quinn, better-than-average writing and storylines, intriguing take on the Holmes mythos.

Interesting performances? Lucy Liu hasn't given one of those perhaps ever and Miller used to be interesting until he started trying to play intelligent characters, which I'm sorry he just can't really pull off all that convincingly. He has sadly become pretty one note. Frankenstein was just him yelling as Victor. Elementary was just him saying every. line. the. same. way. There was nothing interesting about either of the characters, and certainly not about their interaction.

If you want a thread to gush about Elementary, I suggest you start one. Please stop subjecting this thread to the nonsense. If you guys want to enjoy a bad show, I don't care. But please, please stop babbling in here about how really it's pretty good. Every time I see an advert for this show I want to punch someone.

Gush? All I said is that it's a better than average show with some real positives.

I think you're just upset that anybody here doesn't think it's what you'd get if you put Hitler, abortion, Mars Needs Moms, and Pink Lady and Jeff in a blender. I'm not offended at the very fact that this show exists. I evaluated it on its merits, and its pretty good. End of story.

I suggest you start one. Please stop subjecting this thread to the nonsense. If you guys want to enjoy a bad show, I don't care. But please, please stop babbling in here about how really it's pretty good. Every time I see an advert for this show I want to punch someone.

It has nothing to do with "good enough". They are just really, really hoping the young people who turn in for the Super Bowl who would never flip to CBS unless it was for HIMYM will accidentally see the episode and watch it. Because for the number of overall viewers it has, its demo numbers are embarrassing. And those are what drive ad sales. CBS is trying so hard to make the show hip. It's painful. It's like your grandpa trying to be cool.

*sighs* I thought my eyeroll at the end would be indicative that the 'good enough' was sarcastic.

But please, please stop babbling in here about how really it's pretty good.

No. People are allowed to like different things. Don't like the show, then ignore the posts.

I think regardless of differing opinions on Elementary's quality, it's reasonable to ask that a separate thread be started because, well, this is a Sherlock thread. Would you start a discussion of the books or the RDJ films in here?

I think regardless of differing opinions on Elementary's quality, it's reasonable to ask that a separate thread be started because, well, this is a Sherlock thread. Would you start a discussion of the books or the RDJ films in here?

While the show is in hiatus, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss other forms of Sherlock in the same way we've also talked about the casts other roles.

It's perfectly fine to rip each other's posts to shreds, but comments about each other are over the line. Post, not poster.

If we compare other portrayals--from RDJ to the animated mouse (who, by the way, is absolutely fantastic--Basil, that isn't; I didn't get all the way through the RDJ movie)--it's fair to make comparisons to Elementary in here. If we're going to have a big disussion about Elementary rather than a few posts about it or a comparison discussion, then it needs its own thread.

It doesn't really look like my cup of tea. It is, however, CBS's highest-rated freshman show, from what I've seen. For better or for worse.

If we compare other portrayals--from RDJ to the animated mouse (who, by the way, is absolutely fantastic--Basil, that isn't; I didn't get all the way through the RDJ movie)--it's fair to make comparisons to Elementary in here. If we're going to have a big disussion about Elementary rather than a few posts about it or a comparison discussion, then it needs its own thread.

I hardly think coming in here with a comment of "hey Vinnie Jones was great on this episode of Elementary!" without it having any bearing or comparison to Sherlock whatsoever counts. I haven't minded discussing the various adaptations in here before, even Elementary when it was first starting up because it made sense to talk about it a bit. But I hardly think people literally just coming in here to post their praise of another show and then saying that it shouldn't be compared to the show this thread is for counts as anything close to a comparison. In fact, I believe that's called spamming. I may as well go into a Marvel Comics thread and start talking about how much I like DC, while saying it's not fair to compare it to Marvel.

If we compare other portrayals--from RDJ to the animated mouse (who, by the way, is absolutely fantastic--Basil, that isn't; I didn't get all the way through the RDJ movie)--it's fair to make comparisons to Elementary in here. If we're going to have a big disussion about Elementary rather than a few posts about it or a comparison discussion, then it needs its own thread.

I hardly think coming in here with a comment of "hey Vinnie Jones was great on this episode of Elementary!" without it having any bearing or comparison to Sherlock whatsoever counts. I haven't minded discussing the various adaptations in here before, even Elementary when it was first starting up because it made sense to talk about it a bit. But I hardly think people literally just coming in here to post their praise of another show and then saying that it shouldn't be compared to the show this thread is for counts as anything close to a comparison. In fact, I believe that's called spamming. I may as well go into a Marvel Comics thread and start talking about how much I like DC, while saying it's not fair to compare it to Marvel.

I said a comparison discussion in here is fine but a discussion solely about Elementary's good and bad qualities needs to get its own thread. That is directed at everyone. Anything I might say to individual people will be said privately. If anyone has any questions or concerns about that, PM me; otherwise, let's get this discussion back on track.

Such as Cumberbatch using his crime scene knowledge from Sherlock to direct the Cambridge Science Fair: interesting read.

I rewatched John Adams recently and totally didn't realize that Andrew Scott played Adams' son-in-law until this time. Definitely awesome to see him playing a rather meek character.

And the science festival... very cool! It always amuses me how many smart, sciencey people he's portrayed. But when you see a lot of actors attempt it, you realize it actually is pretty hard to sell. You have to be willing to do the research so you actually know what you're talking about, and a surprising number of actors just don't go that deep. I think it's one of the things I've always appreciated the most about Benedict's performances. He really seems to put a lot of thought into each role, making them all really distinct from one another and suited to the script.