I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

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I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

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The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

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I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

Right now (two days later) 1,262,693 total cases, 74,791 deaths-5.92% death rate.

Do you see a pattern here? I'll help you spot it, the death rate is going UP, not down! 25,060 new cases today (so far) and 2,520 deaths. That's 10% and it's been like that for weeks.

Now you think that maybe 10 times as many people actually had the virus? Okay, fine. So the death rate is 1/10th of what the numbers show? Okay, but is it 1/10 of the rate from mid-March or Early April, or today, or next month? Because even at 1/10 of the reported rate, it's working it's way towards a 1% death rate. If a third of the country gets it, that's a million deaths. I'm not okay with that. I'll stay home, and I hope you don't let corona boredom lead you to make decisions that will negatively impact those around you. Start reading the classics, learn to code, find all 900 Korok seeds in Breath of the Wild, list your top 50 movies and then watch them in order from 50 to 1, blog, write a novel in a month. Do any of these things, just don't be careless. Look at Russia. They thought they avoided this whole thing a month ago. April 1 they only had 2777 cases. Now they have 165,929 and they are growing fast. Don't be complacent.

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I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

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The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

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I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

Maybe too early to celebrate, but fewer than 1000 deaths for the first time since March. Please let it be a real drop! These discussions turn into opposing sides trying endlessly to prove they’re right. I participate because I’m fascinated, but I desperately want to be wrong about how serious this is.

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Death rate in the US over the last couple of months (running totals):

March 1 (is this going to turn into something? Should I cancel our spring trip?) 75 total cases, 1 death-1.33% death rate.

March 13 (first day school was cancelled in my district): 2183 total cases, 48 deaths-2.19% death rate.

March 31 (teaching online and hoping we could go back soon) 193,353 total cases, 5151 deaths-2.66% death rate.

April 17 (distric decides to remain closed for the school year) 714,822 total cases, 37,448 deaths-5.23% death rate.

Right now (two days later) 1,262,693 total cases, 74,791 deaths-5.92% death rate.

Do you see a pattern here? I'll help you spot it, the death rate is going UP, not down! 25,060 new cases today (so far) and 2,520 deaths. That's 10% and it's been like that for weeks.

Now you think that maybe 10 times as many people actually had the virus? Okay, fine. So the death rate is 1/10th of what the numbers show? Okay, but is it 1/10 of the rate from mid-March or Early April, or today, or next month? Because even at 1/10 of the reported rate, it's working it's way towards a 1% death rate. If a third of the country gets it, that's a million deaths. I'm not okay with that. I'll stay home, and I hope you don't let corona boredom lead you to make decisions that will negatively impact those around you. Start reading the classics, learn to code, find all 900 Korok seeds in Breath of the Wild, list your top 50 movies and then watch them in order from 50 to 1, blog, write a novel in a month. Do any of these things, just don't be careless. Look at Russia. They thought they avoided this whole thing a month ago. April 1 they only had 2777 cases. Now they have 165,929 and they are growing fast. Don't be complacent.

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I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

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The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

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I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

Right now (two days later) 1,262,693 total cases, 74,791 deaths-5.92% death rate.

Do you see a pattern here? I'll help you spot it, the death rate is going UP, not down! 25,060 new cases today (so far) and 2,520 deaths. That's 10% and it's been like that for weeks.

Now you think that maybe 10 times as many people actually had the virus? Okay, fine. So the death rate is 1/10th of what the numbers show? Okay, but is it 1/10 of the rate from mid-March or Early April, or today, or next month? Because even at 1/10 of the reported rate, it's working it's way towards a 1% death rate. If a third of the country gets it, that's a million deaths. I'm not okay with that. I'll stay home, and I hope you don't let corona boredom lead you to make decisions that will negatively impact those around you. Start reading the classics, learn to code, find all 900 Korok seeds in Breath of the Wild, list your top 50 movies and then watch them in order from 50 to 1, blog, write a novel in a month. Do any of these things, just don't be careless. Look at Russia. They thought they avoided this whole thing a month ago. April 1 they only had 2777 cases. Now they have 165,929 and they are growing fast. Don't be complacent.

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I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

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The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

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I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

Studies are showing we are under-counting cases by 15 to 50 times. If anything we are over-counting deaths. So by your same numbers if cases are 15 times greater then the death rate is .19%. If the count is 50 times greater then the death rate is .06%. Even as the case numbers grow, (remember we are testing significantly more people), but our hospitalization stays level and our deaths are not growing nearly as fast as our case count.

So here is where I am at - the stay home stuff was to not overwhelm hospitals. It seems more and more the models were built on false data, (China lied and now it seems the Imperial College model which may have started this frenzy was based on incredibly bad data and has a history of getting pandemics horribly wrong), and now we are reacting to bad data, panic media coverage, and people's fear of needing to be protected at any cost.

I am as bored as you and I read too many articles. And I keep coming to the same conclusion - there is something more going on and I don't know what it is. What I do know is I should be able to make my own decisions. I should be able to decide how much risk I am willing to take as should you. Don't feel safe - stay home. Don't want infected - stay home. Don't want your kids to bring back the virus from their friends - keep them home. Home school them if you really desire while you work from home or create a business that allows you to work from home. But, it's time to get real numbers - not politicized or numbers for a purpose but real numbers. And I am not saying people are intentionally hiding the numbers. Many are doing the best they can. But as the antibody studies come out all across the country they ALL have the same thing in common. All areas have had significantly more cases than are officially counted. So let's get real numbers and real causes of death and let's really say if this virus deserves the attention to risk destroying lives, (not just the ones that die from it), or not.

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Because I'm bored, I'll do Texas too. It's a little better. Death rate in Texas over the last couple of months (running totals):

March 1 (no reported deaths yet)

March 13 (first day school was cancelled in my district): 44 total cases, 0 deaths-0% death rate.

March 31 (teaching online and hoping we could go back soon) 3666 total cases, 56 deaths-1.52% death rate.

April 17 (distric decides to remain closed for the school year) 17,760 total cases, 439 deaths-2.47% death rate.

Right now (two days later) 1,262,693 total cases, 74,791 deaths-5.92% death rate.

Do you see a pattern here? I'll help you spot it, the death rate is going UP, not down! 25,060 new cases today (so far) and 2,520 deaths. That's 10% and it's been like that for weeks.

Now you think that maybe 10 times as many people actually had the virus? Okay, fine. So the death rate is 1/10th of what the numbers show? Okay, but is it 1/10 of the rate from mid-March or Early April, or today, or next month? Because even at 1/10 of the reported rate, it's working it's way towards a 1% death rate. If a third of the country gets it, that's a million deaths. I'm not okay with that. I'll stay home, and I hope you don't let corona boredom lead you to make decisions that will negatively impact those around you. Start reading the classics, learn to code, find all 900 Korok seeds in Breath of the Wild, list your top 50 movies and then watch them in order from 50 to 1, blog, write a novel in a month. Do any of these things, just don't be careless. Look at Russia. They thought they avoided this whole thing a month ago. April 1 they only had 2777 cases. Now they have 165,929 and they are growing fast. Don't be complacent.

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I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

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The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

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I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

Who says we are under-counting? Dr. Birx, who put the policy in place to liberally count the deaths high, told the CDC she couldn't trust their numbers and believes the death count is 25% over actuality. Follow the money.....

Who says we are under-counting? Dr. Birx, who put the policy in place to liberally count the deaths high, told the CDC she couldn't trust their numbers and believes the death count is 25% over actuality. Follow the money.....

I was thinking just how blind and dependent on someone else telling you what to do and maybe you shouldn't teach. Isn't this fun.

Now, let's be adults and accept that we each can read and we each can use critical thinking skills to make our own decisions. When Dr. Birx, whom everyone has said is one of the people we MUST listen to, says the CDC numbers can't be trusted I don't think that's conspiracy. I think that would be what so many people have said is following the information which is supposedly what science is or at least that's what a few band directors keep saying on here, (and in the memes that grace my facebook page)....

The follow the money comment - well that isn't conspiracy either. That's corruption and government on EVERYTHING!

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Damn. A conspiracy nut. Please stop teaching...

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Who says we are under-counting? Dr. Birx, who put the policy in place to liberally count the deaths high, told the CDC she couldn't trust their numbers and believes the death count is 25% over actuality. Follow the money.....

As you probably know by now, we are UNDERCOUNTING Covid deaths by more than half.

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Posted by We know this? on 5/6/2020, 10:05 am, in reply to "Re: 3 Questions"

Just because someone wrote an article saying so does not mean we know it to be fact. I don't have the virus. Nobody in my immediate family or circle of friends has the virus. I haven't heard from any of my students or fellow teachers who have the virus, and I live in Harris county, which has the most cases in Texas. I got the flu this year (and it was a B**CH!), 5 members of my immediate family got the flu, more than two dozen of my students got the flu, several teachers got the flu, many, many of my friends got the flu. A normal flu season kills 12K-36K people per YEAR and it is spread all over the country. Coronavirus killed twice that many in A MONTH, and nobody I know even has it yet. You or people who believe the same sources as you have been making this argument for weeks and in that time 10's of thousands more have died. How big does that number have to get before you at least question your own logic?

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I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

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The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

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I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

1. The experts including Fauci and Birx and MANY others have said over 65 is the biggest at risk group.

2. Doesn't the fact that you know not a single person and live in Harris county that something doesn't smell right? Not that it isn't real but maybe the numbers should lead you in a different, more logical direction....

3. I have had the flu 1 time in 45 years, (and maybe only 1 time because I never got a test for it but was sick for a week however I rarely ever go to a doctor. Coincidentally enough for the overwhelming majority of covid patients they too, do not need a doctor but rather to stay home while the body heals itself), and I have never had the flu shot. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe because I drank out of a hose as a child and put my hands in the dirt and NEVER washed them I have a better immune system. I have never been one to get sick. But, I am watching the numbers and the numbers don't add up. Where are all the heart disease deaths? Where are all of the strokes? Is our daily death rate higher today than the same time in 2019 or 2018? I have seen numbers that say no but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.

I will question my logic when the doctors quit changing their minds. As of now, it leans more and more towards a nasty virus that impacts some but not most. I believe the numbers, (not models), saying .5 to .1 fatality rate or less. And I also can use logic, (and a little of my science) to say that this probably attacked the most vulnerable first and those that survived the first wave are more likely and thus, driving the fatality rate down further. Darwinism at work, (as sad as it is to lose a loved one nature isn't kind). Are you questioning yours? My opinions may be no more valid than yours but certainly they are not less valid than yours. And I am so tired of hearing the phrase, "based on science" but I am using science just like you are to come to my conclusions.

One last thing - take the NYC/NJ numbers out of the count and look at just how few cases there are. Look at the current outbreaks in the meat-packing plants but it appears those workers tend to live in close quarters with each other NYC apartment style. I can also use my logic to see where the living conditions, (I love NYC but would never live there), have a significant impact on the infection. Notice all the outbreaks are in places where people live on top of each other or in nursing homes, (same air and same surfaces always being touched). New Orleans, Houston, Dallas had outbreaks but their outlying areas did not. Heck, as of today the city of Houston has 1000 more cases than the rest of Harris county. So a 1000 more cases in 1/5 of the population, (which if you are doing the math is .34% of the City of Houston has tested positive and only .26% is still active). 99.74% of the City of Houston is locked down and losing educational opportunities, businesses, and livelihoods? What does that tell you!?!

Your logic takes you one direction. Mine takes me a different direction because I'm not looking at the number of fatalities as much as I am looking at the number of non-fatalities and one of those is exponentially bigger than the other.

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Just because someone wrote an article saying so does not mean we know it to be fact. I don't have the virus. Nobody in my immediate family or circle of friends has the virus. I haven't heard from any of my students or fellow teachers who have the virus, and I live in Harris county, which has the most cases in Texas. I got the flu this year (and it was a B**CH!), 5 members of my immediate family got the flu, more than two dozen of my students got the flu, several teachers got the flu, many, many of my friends got the flu. A normal flu season kills 12K-36K people per YEAR and it is spread all over the country. Coronavirus killed twice that many in A MONTH, and nobody I know even has it yet. You or people who believe the same sources as you have been making this argument for weeks and in that time 10's of thousands more have died. How big does that number have to get before you at least question your own logic?

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I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

Previous Message

The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

Previous Message

I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

Previous Message

I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

Re: 3 Questions

Posted by We know this? on 5/6/2020, 11:57 am, in reply to "Re: 3 Questions"

1. Name a disease, ANY DISEASE where people of 65 aren't the biggest risk group. I'll wait. 2. No, because I have not gone anywhere. My friends have not gone anywhere. My students have not gone anywhere. I literally filled up with gas mid-march and still have half a tank. This level of distancing has NEVER happened before, so no, I'm not surprised. 3. I can't recall ever getting a flu shot, ever. I have never had a sick day from teaching. I got the flu this year right at the beginning of Christmas break and I felt like crap until January. I didn't go to the doctor, but when my kid caught it from me I took her in right away to get tested and get Tamiflu. I'm only saying this so you know I'm not a hand-wringing worry wart, who is afraid of a sneeze. One last thing: Take out NY, NJ, and in fact take the top 10 states with infections out (which includes Texas), and what do you have? The US still has the highest number of confirmed cases in the world. Take out our top 5 (NY, NJ, MA, IL, CA) and we still have the highest death toll in the world.

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1. The experts including Fauci and Birx and MANY others have said over 65 is the biggest at risk group.

2. Doesn't the fact that you know not a single person and live in Harris county that something doesn't smell right? Not that it isn't real but maybe the numbers should lead you in a different, more logical direction....

3. I have had the flu 1 time in 45 years, (and maybe only 1 time because I never got a test for it but was sick for a week however I rarely ever go to a doctor. Coincidentally enough for the overwhelming majority of covid patients they too, do not need a doctor but rather to stay home while the body heals itself), and I have never had the flu shot. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe because I drank out of a hose as a child and put my hands in the dirt and NEVER washed them I have a better immune system. I have never been one to get sick. But, I am watching the numbers and the numbers don't add up. Where are all the heart disease deaths? Where are all of the strokes? Is our daily death rate higher today than the same time in 2019 or 2018? I have seen numbers that say no but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.

I will question my logic when the doctors quit changing their minds. As of now, it leans more and more towards a nasty virus that impacts some but not most. I believe the numbers, (not models), saying .5 to .1 fatality rate or less. And I also can use logic, (and a little of my science) to say that this probably attacked the most vulnerable first and those that survived the first wave are more likely and thus, driving the fatality rate down further. Darwinism at work, (as sad as it is to lose a loved one nature isn't kind). Are you questioning yours? My opinions may be no more valid than yours but certainly they are not less valid than yours. And I am so tired of hearing the phrase, "based on science" but I am using science just like you are to come to my conclusions.

One last thing - take the NYC/NJ numbers out of the count and look at just how few cases there are. Look at the current outbreaks in the meat-packing plants but it appears those workers tend to live in close quarters with each other NYC apartment style. I can also use my logic to see where the living conditions, (I love NYC but would never live there), have a significant impact on the infection. Notice all the outbreaks are in places where people live on top of each other or in nursing homes, (same air and same surfaces always being touched). New Orleans, Houston, Dallas had outbreaks but their outlying areas did not. Heck, as of today the city of Houston has 1000 more cases than the rest of Harris county. So a 1000 more cases in 1/5 of the population, (which if you are doing the math is .34% of the City of Houston has tested positive and only .26% is still active). 99.74% of the City of Houston is locked down and losing educational opportunities, businesses, and livelihoods? What does that tell you!?!

Your logic takes you one direction. Mine takes me a different direction because I'm not looking at the number of fatalities as much as I am looking at the number of non-fatalities and one of those is exponentially bigger than the other.

Previous Message

Just because someone wrote an article saying so does not mean we know it to be fact. I don't have the virus. Nobody in my immediate family or circle of friends has the virus. I haven't heard from any of my students or fellow teachers who have the virus, and I live in Harris county, which has the most cases in Texas. I got the flu this year (and it was a B**CH!), 5 members of my immediate family got the flu, more than two dozen of my students got the flu, several teachers got the flu, many, many of my friends got the flu. A normal flu season kills 12K-36K people per YEAR and it is spread all over the country. Coronavirus killed twice that many in A MONTH, and nobody I know even has it yet. You or people who believe the same sources as you have been making this argument for weeks and in that time 10's of thousands more have died. How big does that number have to get before you at least question your own logic?

Previous Message

I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

Previous Message

The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

Previous Message

I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

Previous Message

I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

1. Exactly. People over 65 are always the most vulnerable so this is like many other viruses that target them but rather than put measures in place for them we locked down the other 99.7 percent of the population?

2. I never stopped. I have been to hardware stores and grocery stores and garden stores on a consistent basis for the past 2 months. I stand in lines at the grocery store waiting to get in. I stand in lines in the grocery store waiting to get out. In fact, NOBODY has stopped going to the grocery store including your students so, in fact, you have gone places continually as have they. I have been out on walks daily just like I have for the previous 20 years.... None of that has changed. In fact, a number of jobs that were considered essential have never stopped including construction and fast food and UPS and Amazon and all sorts of places.....

3. Glad you aren't a germaphobe. But sheer math comes into play. We have tested more than any other country buy far. We have counted liberally all deaths. And our country is freaking HUGE! We don't have the largest death toll per capita.

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1. Name a disease, ANY DISEASE where people of 65 aren't the biggest risk group. I'll wait. 2. No, because I have not gone anywhere. My friends have not gone anywhere. My students have not gone anywhere. I literally filled up with gas mid-march and still have half a tank. This level of distancing has NEVER happened before, so no, I'm not surprised. 3. I can't recall ever getting a flu shot, ever. I have never had a sick day from teaching. I got the flu this year right at the beginning of Christmas break and I felt like crap until January. I didn't go to the doctor, but when my kid caught it from me I took her in right away to get tested and get Tamiflu. I'm only saying this so you know I'm not a hand-wringing worry wart, who is afraid of a sneeze. One last thing: Take out NY, NJ, and in fact take the top 10 states with infections out (which includes Texas), and what do you have? The US still has the highest number of confirmed cases in the world. Take out our top 5 (NY, NJ, MA, IL, CA) and we still have the highest death toll in the world.

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1. The experts including Fauci and Birx and MANY others have said over 65 is the biggest at risk group.

2. Doesn't the fact that you know not a single person and live in Harris county that something doesn't smell right? Not that it isn't real but maybe the numbers should lead you in a different, more logical direction....

3. I have had the flu 1 time in 45 years, (and maybe only 1 time because I never got a test for it but was sick for a week however I rarely ever go to a doctor. Coincidentally enough for the overwhelming majority of covid patients they too, do not need a doctor but rather to stay home while the body heals itself), and I have never had the flu shot. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe because I drank out of a hose as a child and put my hands in the dirt and NEVER washed them I have a better immune system. I have never been one to get sick. But, I am watching the numbers and the numbers don't add up. Where are all the heart disease deaths? Where are all of the strokes? Is our daily death rate higher today than the same time in 2019 or 2018? I have seen numbers that say no but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.

I will question my logic when the doctors quit changing their minds. As of now, it leans more and more towards a nasty virus that impacts some but not most. I believe the numbers, (not models), saying .5 to .1 fatality rate or less. And I also can use logic, (and a little of my science) to say that this probably attacked the most vulnerable first and those that survived the first wave are more likely and thus, driving the fatality rate down further. Darwinism at work, (as sad as it is to lose a loved one nature isn't kind). Are you questioning yours? My opinions may be no more valid than yours but certainly they are not less valid than yours. And I am so tired of hearing the phrase, "based on science" but I am using science just like you are to come to my conclusions.

One last thing - take the NYC/NJ numbers out of the count and look at just how few cases there are. Look at the current outbreaks in the meat-packing plants but it appears those workers tend to live in close quarters with each other NYC apartment style. I can also use my logic to see where the living conditions, (I love NYC but would never live there), have a significant impact on the infection. Notice all the outbreaks are in places where people live on top of each other or in nursing homes, (same air and same surfaces always being touched). New Orleans, Houston, Dallas had outbreaks but their outlying areas did not. Heck, as of today the city of Houston has 1000 more cases than the rest of Harris county. So a 1000 more cases in 1/5 of the population, (which if you are doing the math is .34% of the City of Houston has tested positive and only .26% is still active). 99.74% of the City of Houston is locked down and losing educational opportunities, businesses, and livelihoods? What does that tell you!?!

Your logic takes you one direction. Mine takes me a different direction because I'm not looking at the number of fatalities as much as I am looking at the number of non-fatalities and one of those is exponentially bigger than the other.

Previous Message

Just because someone wrote an article saying so does not mean we know it to be fact. I don't have the virus. Nobody in my immediate family or circle of friends has the virus. I haven't heard from any of my students or fellow teachers who have the virus, and I live in Harris county, which has the most cases in Texas. I got the flu this year (and it was a B**CH!), 5 members of my immediate family got the flu, more than two dozen of my students got the flu, several teachers got the flu, many, many of my friends got the flu. A normal flu season kills 12K-36K people per YEAR and it is spread all over the country. Coronavirus killed twice that many in A MONTH, and nobody I know even has it yet. You or people who believe the same sources as you have been making this argument for weeks and in that time 10's of thousands more have died. How big does that number have to get before you at least question your own logic?

Previous Message

I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

Previous Message

The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

Previous Message

I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

Previous Message

I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

No, we don’t have the highest death toll per capita... we have the SECOND highest behind Spain (not including micro-states like San Marino, Vatican City, Faulkland Islands. If you’re going to use the same talking points, you should at least check out the current data to make sure you’re right.

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1. Exactly. People over 65 are always the most vulnerable so this is like many other viruses that target them but rather than put measures in place for them we locked down the other 99.7 percent of the population?

2. I never stopped. I have been to hardware stores and grocery stores and garden stores on a consistent basis for the past 2 months. I stand in lines at the grocery store waiting to get in. I stand in lines in the grocery store waiting to get out. In fact, NOBODY has stopped going to the grocery store including your students so, in fact, you have gone places continually as have they. I have been out on walks daily just like I have for the previous 20 years.... None of that has changed. In fact, a number of jobs that were considered essential have never stopped including construction and fast food and UPS and Amazon and all sorts of places.....

3. Glad you aren't a germaphobe. But sheer math comes into play. We have tested more than any other country buy far. We have counted liberally all deaths. And our country is freaking HUGE! We don't have the largest death toll per capita.

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1. Name a disease, ANY DISEASE where people of 65 aren't the biggest risk group. I'll wait. 2. No, because I have not gone anywhere. My friends have not gone anywhere. My students have not gone anywhere. I literally filled up with gas mid-march and still have half a tank. This level of distancing has NEVER happened before, so no, I'm not surprised. 3. I can't recall ever getting a flu shot, ever. I have never had a sick day from teaching. I got the flu this year right at the beginning of Christmas break and I felt like crap until January. I didn't go to the doctor, but when my kid caught it from me I took her in right away to get tested and get Tamiflu. I'm only saying this so you know I'm not a hand-wringing worry wart, who is afraid of a sneeze. One last thing: Take out NY, NJ, and in fact take the top 10 states with infections out (which includes Texas), and what do you have? The US still has the highest number of confirmed cases in the world. Take out our top 5 (NY, NJ, MA, IL, CA) and we still have the highest death toll in the world.

Previous Message

1. The experts including Fauci and Birx and MANY others have said over 65 is the biggest at risk group.

2. Doesn't the fact that you know not a single person and live in Harris county that something doesn't smell right? Not that it isn't real but maybe the numbers should lead you in a different, more logical direction....

3. I have had the flu 1 time in 45 years, (and maybe only 1 time because I never got a test for it but was sick for a week however I rarely ever go to a doctor. Coincidentally enough for the overwhelming majority of covid patients they too, do not need a doctor but rather to stay home while the body heals itself), and I have never had the flu shot. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe because I drank out of a hose as a child and put my hands in the dirt and NEVER washed them I have a better immune system. I have never been one to get sick. But, I am watching the numbers and the numbers don't add up. Where are all the heart disease deaths? Where are all of the strokes? Is our daily death rate higher today than the same time in 2019 or 2018? I have seen numbers that say no but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.

I will question my logic when the doctors quit changing their minds. As of now, it leans more and more towards a nasty virus that impacts some but not most. I believe the numbers, (not models), saying .5 to .1 fatality rate or less. And I also can use logic, (and a little of my science) to say that this probably attacked the most vulnerable first and those that survived the first wave are more likely and thus, driving the fatality rate down further. Darwinism at work, (as sad as it is to lose a loved one nature isn't kind). Are you questioning yours? My opinions may be no more valid than yours but certainly they are not less valid than yours. And I am so tired of hearing the phrase, "based on science" but I am using science just like you are to come to my conclusions.

One last thing - take the NYC/NJ numbers out of the count and look at just how few cases there are. Look at the current outbreaks in the meat-packing plants but it appears those workers tend to live in close quarters with each other NYC apartment style. I can also use my logic to see where the living conditions, (I love NYC but would never live there), have a significant impact on the infection. Notice all the outbreaks are in places where people live on top of each other or in nursing homes, (same air and same surfaces always being touched). New Orleans, Houston, Dallas had outbreaks but their outlying areas did not. Heck, as of today the city of Houston has 1000 more cases than the rest of Harris county. So a 1000 more cases in 1/5 of the population, (which if you are doing the math is .34% of the City of Houston has tested positive and only .26% is still active). 99.74% of the City of Houston is locked down and losing educational opportunities, businesses, and livelihoods? What does that tell you!?!

Your logic takes you one direction. Mine takes me a different direction because I'm not looking at the number of fatalities as much as I am looking at the number of non-fatalities and one of those is exponentially bigger than the other.

Previous Message

Just because someone wrote an article saying so does not mean we know it to be fact. I don't have the virus. Nobody in my immediate family or circle of friends has the virus. I haven't heard from any of my students or fellow teachers who have the virus, and I live in Harris county, which has the most cases in Texas. I got the flu this year (and it was a B**CH!), 5 members of my immediate family got the flu, more than two dozen of my students got the flu, several teachers got the flu, many, many of my friends got the flu. A normal flu season kills 12K-36K people per YEAR and it is spread all over the country. Coronavirus killed twice that many in A MONTH, and nobody I know even has it yet. You or people who believe the same sources as you have been making this argument for weeks and in that time 10's of thousands more have died. How big does that number have to get before you at least question your own logic?

Previous Message

I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

Previous Message

The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

Previous Message

I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

Previous Message

I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

You're right. Thanks for fact checking. Must have been looking at cases/million not deaths/million. I'm going to stop fighting on message boards (for today at least) and grade some scale tests.

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No, we don’t have the highest death toll per capita... we have the SECOND highest behind Spain (not including micro-states like San Marino, Vatican City, Faulkland Islands. If you’re going to use the same talking points, you should at least check out the current data to make sure you’re right.

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1. Exactly. People over 65 are always the most vulnerable so this is like many other viruses that target them but rather than put measures in place for them we locked down the other 99.7 percent of the population?

2. I never stopped. I have been to hardware stores and grocery stores and garden stores on a consistent basis for the past 2 months. I stand in lines at the grocery store waiting to get in. I stand in lines in the grocery store waiting to get out. In fact, NOBODY has stopped going to the grocery store including your students so, in fact, you have gone places continually as have they. I have been out on walks daily just like I have for the previous 20 years.... None of that has changed. In fact, a number of jobs that were considered essential have never stopped including construction and fast food and UPS and Amazon and all sorts of places.....

3. Glad you aren't a germaphobe. But sheer math comes into play. We have tested more than any other country buy far. We have counted liberally all deaths. And our country is freaking HUGE! We don't have the largest death toll per capita.

Previous Message

1. Name a disease, ANY DISEASE where people of 65 aren't the biggest risk group. I'll wait. 2. No, because I have not gone anywhere. My friends have not gone anywhere. My students have not gone anywhere. I literally filled up with gas mid-march and still have half a tank. This level of distancing has NEVER happened before, so no, I'm not surprised. 3. I can't recall ever getting a flu shot, ever. I have never had a sick day from teaching. I got the flu this year right at the beginning of Christmas break and I felt like crap until January. I didn't go to the doctor, but when my kid caught it from me I took her in right away to get tested and get Tamiflu. I'm only saying this so you know I'm not a hand-wringing worry wart, who is afraid of a sneeze. One last thing: Take out NY, NJ, and in fact take the top 10 states with infections out (which includes Texas), and what do you have? The US still has the highest number of confirmed cases in the world. Take out our top 5 (NY, NJ, MA, IL, CA) and we still have the highest death toll in the world.

Previous Message

1. The experts including Fauci and Birx and MANY others have said over 65 is the biggest at risk group.

2. Doesn't the fact that you know not a single person and live in Harris county that something doesn't smell right? Not that it isn't real but maybe the numbers should lead you in a different, more logical direction....

3. I have had the flu 1 time in 45 years, (and maybe only 1 time because I never got a test for it but was sick for a week however I rarely ever go to a doctor. Coincidentally enough for the overwhelming majority of covid patients they too, do not need a doctor but rather to stay home while the body heals itself), and I have never had the flu shot. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe because I drank out of a hose as a child and put my hands in the dirt and NEVER washed them I have a better immune system. I have never been one to get sick. But, I am watching the numbers and the numbers don't add up. Where are all the heart disease deaths? Where are all of the strokes? Is our daily death rate higher today than the same time in 2019 or 2018? I have seen numbers that say no but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.

I will question my logic when the doctors quit changing their minds. As of now, it leans more and more towards a nasty virus that impacts some but not most. I believe the numbers, (not models), saying .5 to .1 fatality rate or less. And I also can use logic, (and a little of my science) to say that this probably attacked the most vulnerable first and those that survived the first wave are more likely and thus, driving the fatality rate down further. Darwinism at work, (as sad as it is to lose a loved one nature isn't kind). Are you questioning yours? My opinions may be no more valid than yours but certainly they are not less valid than yours. And I am so tired of hearing the phrase, "based on science" but I am using science just like you are to come to my conclusions.

One last thing - take the NYC/NJ numbers out of the count and look at just how few cases there are. Look at the current outbreaks in the meat-packing plants but it appears those workers tend to live in close quarters with each other NYC apartment style. I can also use my logic to see where the living conditions, (I love NYC but would never live there), have a significant impact on the infection. Notice all the outbreaks are in places where people live on top of each other or in nursing homes, (same air and same surfaces always being touched). New Orleans, Houston, Dallas had outbreaks but their outlying areas did not. Heck, as of today the city of Houston has 1000 more cases than the rest of Harris county. So a 1000 more cases in 1/5 of the population, (which if you are doing the math is .34% of the City of Houston has tested positive and only .26% is still active). 99.74% of the City of Houston is locked down and losing educational opportunities, businesses, and livelihoods? What does that tell you!?!

Your logic takes you one direction. Mine takes me a different direction because I'm not looking at the number of fatalities as much as I am looking at the number of non-fatalities and one of those is exponentially bigger than the other.

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Just because someone wrote an article saying so does not mean we know it to be fact. I don't have the virus. Nobody in my immediate family or circle of friends has the virus. I haven't heard from any of my students or fellow teachers who have the virus, and I live in Harris county, which has the most cases in Texas. I got the flu this year (and it was a B**CH!), 5 members of my immediate family got the flu, more than two dozen of my students got the flu, several teachers got the flu, many, many of my friends got the flu. A normal flu season kills 12K-36K people per YEAR and it is spread all over the country. Coronavirus killed twice that many in A MONTH, and nobody I know even has it yet. You or people who believe the same sources as you have been making this argument for weeks and in that time 10's of thousands more have died. How big does that number have to get before you at least question your own logic?

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I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

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The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

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I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

Also a few more numbers from Johns Hopkins - 72,233 deaths in the US, (supposed Covid), and 37,861 are in that NYC/NJ/MASS triangle meaning the entire rest of the United Fricking States has 34,372 deaths. Sad, yes. 54% of all deaths have happened in the same, small area compared to the expanse of this nation. Throw in Michigan and you have 58% of all deaths in 4 states out of 50 but realistically concentrated in a few dense population centers rather than entire states even.

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No, we don’t have the highest death toll per capita... we have the SECOND highest behind Spain (not including micro-states like San Marino, Vatican City, Faulkland Islands. If you’re going to use the same talking points, you should at least check out the current data to make sure you’re right.

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1. Exactly. People over 65 are always the most vulnerable so this is like many other viruses that target them but rather than put measures in place for them we locked down the other 99.7 percent of the population?

2. I never stopped. I have been to hardware stores and grocery stores and garden stores on a consistent basis for the past 2 months. I stand in lines at the grocery store waiting to get in. I stand in lines in the grocery store waiting to get out. In fact, NOBODY has stopped going to the grocery store including your students so, in fact, you have gone places continually as have they. I have been out on walks daily just like I have for the previous 20 years.... None of that has changed. In fact, a number of jobs that were considered essential have never stopped including construction and fast food and UPS and Amazon and all sorts of places.....

3. Glad you aren't a germaphobe. But sheer math comes into play. We have tested more than any other country buy far. We have counted liberally all deaths. And our country is freaking HUGE! We don't have the largest death toll per capita.

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1. Name a disease, ANY DISEASE where people of 65 aren't the biggest risk group. I'll wait. 2. No, because I have not gone anywhere. My friends have not gone anywhere. My students have not gone anywhere. I literally filled up with gas mid-march and still have half a tank. This level of distancing has NEVER happened before, so no, I'm not surprised. 3. I can't recall ever getting a flu shot, ever. I have never had a sick day from teaching. I got the flu this year right at the beginning of Christmas break and I felt like crap until January. I didn't go to the doctor, but when my kid caught it from me I took her in right away to get tested and get Tamiflu. I'm only saying this so you know I'm not a hand-wringing worry wart, who is afraid of a sneeze. One last thing: Take out NY, NJ, and in fact take the top 10 states with infections out (which includes Texas), and what do you have? The US still has the highest number of confirmed cases in the world. Take out our top 5 (NY, NJ, MA, IL, CA) and we still have the highest death toll in the world.

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1. The experts including Fauci and Birx and MANY others have said over 65 is the biggest at risk group.

2. Doesn't the fact that you know not a single person and live in Harris county that something doesn't smell right? Not that it isn't real but maybe the numbers should lead you in a different, more logical direction....

3. I have had the flu 1 time in 45 years, (and maybe only 1 time because I never got a test for it but was sick for a week however I rarely ever go to a doctor. Coincidentally enough for the overwhelming majority of covid patients they too, do not need a doctor but rather to stay home while the body heals itself), and I have never had the flu shot. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe because I drank out of a hose as a child and put my hands in the dirt and NEVER washed them I have a better immune system. I have never been one to get sick. But, I am watching the numbers and the numbers don't add up. Where are all the heart disease deaths? Where are all of the strokes? Is our daily death rate higher today than the same time in 2019 or 2018? I have seen numbers that say no but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.

I will question my logic when the doctors quit changing their minds. As of now, it leans more and more towards a nasty virus that impacts some but not most. I believe the numbers, (not models), saying .5 to .1 fatality rate or less. And I also can use logic, (and a little of my science) to say that this probably attacked the most vulnerable first and those that survived the first wave are more likely and thus, driving the fatality rate down further. Darwinism at work, (as sad as it is to lose a loved one nature isn't kind). Are you questioning yours? My opinions may be no more valid than yours but certainly they are not less valid than yours. And I am so tired of hearing the phrase, "based on science" but I am using science just like you are to come to my conclusions.

One last thing - take the NYC/NJ numbers out of the count and look at just how few cases there are. Look at the current outbreaks in the meat-packing plants but it appears those workers tend to live in close quarters with each other NYC apartment style. I can also use my logic to see where the living conditions, (I love NYC but would never live there), have a significant impact on the infection. Notice all the outbreaks are in places where people live on top of each other or in nursing homes, (same air and same surfaces always being touched). New Orleans, Houston, Dallas had outbreaks but their outlying areas did not. Heck, as of today the city of Houston has 1000 more cases than the rest of Harris county. So a 1000 more cases in 1/5 of the population, (which if you are doing the math is .34% of the City of Houston has tested positive and only .26% is still active). 99.74% of the City of Houston is locked down and losing educational opportunities, businesses, and livelihoods? What does that tell you!?!

Your logic takes you one direction. Mine takes me a different direction because I'm not looking at the number of fatalities as much as I am looking at the number of non-fatalities and one of those is exponentially bigger than the other.

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Just because someone wrote an article saying so does not mean we know it to be fact. I don't have the virus. Nobody in my immediate family or circle of friends has the virus. I haven't heard from any of my students or fellow teachers who have the virus, and I live in Harris county, which has the most cases in Texas. I got the flu this year (and it was a B**CH!), 5 members of my immediate family got the flu, more than two dozen of my students got the flu, several teachers got the flu, many, many of my friends got the flu. A normal flu season kills 12K-36K people per YEAR and it is spread all over the country. Coronavirus killed twice that many in A MONTH, and nobody I know even has it yet. You or people who believe the same sources as you have been making this argument for weeks and in that time 10's of thousands more have died. How big does that number have to get before you at least question your own logic?

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I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

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The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

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I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

No one I know personally has ever died of cancer, either. That doesn't mean that cancer doesn't exist.

Specious reasoning is specious.

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1. The experts including Fauci and Birx and MANY others have said over 65 is the biggest at risk group.

2. Doesn't the fact that you know not a single person and live in Harris county that something doesn't smell right? Not that it isn't real but maybe the numbers should lead you in a different, more logical direction....

3. I have had the flu 1 time in 45 years, (and maybe only 1 time because I never got a test for it but was sick for a week however I rarely ever go to a doctor. Coincidentally enough for the overwhelming majority of covid patients they too, do not need a doctor but rather to stay home while the body heals itself), and I have never had the flu shot. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe because I drank out of a hose as a child and put my hands in the dirt and NEVER washed them I have a better immune system. I have never been one to get sick. But, I am watching the numbers and the numbers don't add up. Where are all the heart disease deaths? Where are all of the strokes? Is our daily death rate higher today than the same time in 2019 or 2018? I have seen numbers that say no but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.

I will question my logic when the doctors quit changing their minds. As of now, it leans more and more towards a nasty virus that impacts some but not most. I believe the numbers, (not models), saying .5 to .1 fatality rate or less. And I also can use logic, (and a little of my science) to say that this probably attacked the most vulnerable first and those that survived the first wave are more likely and thus, driving the fatality rate down further. Darwinism at work, (as sad as it is to lose a loved one nature isn't kind). Are you questioning yours? My opinions may be no more valid than yours but certainly they are not less valid than yours. And I am so tired of hearing the phrase, "based on science" but I am using science just like you are to come to my conclusions.

One last thing - take the NYC/NJ numbers out of the count and look at just how few cases there are. Look at the current outbreaks in the meat-packing plants but it appears those workers tend to live in close quarters with each other NYC apartment style. I can also use my logic to see where the living conditions, (I love NYC but would never live there), have a significant impact on the infection. Notice all the outbreaks are in places where people live on top of each other or in nursing homes, (same air and same surfaces always being touched). New Orleans, Houston, Dallas had outbreaks but their outlying areas did not. Heck, as of today the city of Houston has 1000 more cases than the rest of Harris county. So a 1000 more cases in 1/5 of the population, (which if you are doing the math is .34% of the City of Houston has tested positive and only .26% is still active). 99.74% of the City of Houston is locked down and losing educational opportunities, businesses, and livelihoods? What does that tell you!?!

Your logic takes you one direction. Mine takes me a different direction because I'm not looking at the number of fatalities as much as I am looking at the number of non-fatalities and one of those is exponentially bigger than the other.

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Just because someone wrote an article saying so does not mean we know it to be fact. I don't have the virus. Nobody in my immediate family or circle of friends has the virus. I haven't heard from any of my students or fellow teachers who have the virus, and I live in Harris county, which has the most cases in Texas. I got the flu this year (and it was a B**CH!), 5 members of my immediate family got the flu, more than two dozen of my students got the flu, several teachers got the flu, many, many of my friends got the flu. A normal flu season kills 12K-36K people per YEAR and it is spread all over the country. Coronavirus killed twice that many in A MONTH, and nobody I know even has it yet. You or people who believe the same sources as you have been making this argument for weeks and in that time 10's of thousands more have died. How big does that number have to get before you at least question your own logic?

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I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

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The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

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I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

I know more people unemployed or have died from or beat cancer than who have dealt with Covid.....

I didn't say it wasn't real. It's as real as anything else. Our response to it though... That's the discussion.

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No one I know personally has ever died of cancer, either. That doesn't mean that cancer doesn't exist.

Specious reasoning is specious.

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1. The experts including Fauci and Birx and MANY others have said over 65 is the biggest at risk group.

2. Doesn't the fact that you know not a single person and live in Harris county that something doesn't smell right? Not that it isn't real but maybe the numbers should lead you in a different, more logical direction....

3. I have had the flu 1 time in 45 years, (and maybe only 1 time because I never got a test for it but was sick for a week however I rarely ever go to a doctor. Coincidentally enough for the overwhelming majority of covid patients they too, do not need a doctor but rather to stay home while the body heals itself), and I have never had the flu shot. Maybe I'm lucky. Or maybe because I drank out of a hose as a child and put my hands in the dirt and NEVER washed them I have a better immune system. I have never been one to get sick. But, I am watching the numbers and the numbers don't add up. Where are all the heart disease deaths? Where are all of the strokes? Is our daily death rate higher today than the same time in 2019 or 2018? I have seen numbers that say no but I haven't been able to confirm it yet.

I will question my logic when the doctors quit changing their minds. As of now, it leans more and more towards a nasty virus that impacts some but not most. I believe the numbers, (not models), saying .5 to .1 fatality rate or less. And I also can use logic, (and a little of my science) to say that this probably attacked the most vulnerable first and those that survived the first wave are more likely and thus, driving the fatality rate down further. Darwinism at work, (as sad as it is to lose a loved one nature isn't kind). Are you questioning yours? My opinions may be no more valid than yours but certainly they are not less valid than yours. And I am so tired of hearing the phrase, "based on science" but I am using science just like you are to come to my conclusions.

One last thing - take the NYC/NJ numbers out of the count and look at just how few cases there are. Look at the current outbreaks in the meat-packing plants but it appears those workers tend to live in close quarters with each other NYC apartment style. I can also use my logic to see where the living conditions, (I love NYC but would never live there), have a significant impact on the infection. Notice all the outbreaks are in places where people live on top of each other or in nursing homes, (same air and same surfaces always being touched). New Orleans, Houston, Dallas had outbreaks but their outlying areas did not. Heck, as of today the city of Houston has 1000 more cases than the rest of Harris county. So a 1000 more cases in 1/5 of the population, (which if you are doing the math is .34% of the City of Houston has tested positive and only .26% is still active). 99.74% of the City of Houston is locked down and losing educational opportunities, businesses, and livelihoods? What does that tell you!?!

Your logic takes you one direction. Mine takes me a different direction because I'm not looking at the number of fatalities as much as I am looking at the number of non-fatalities and one of those is exponentially bigger than the other.

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Just because someone wrote an article saying so does not mean we know it to be fact. I don't have the virus. Nobody in my immediate family or circle of friends has the virus. I haven't heard from any of my students or fellow teachers who have the virus, and I live in Harris county, which has the most cases in Texas. I got the flu this year (and it was a B**CH!), 5 members of my immediate family got the flu, more than two dozen of my students got the flu, several teachers got the flu, many, many of my friends got the flu. A normal flu season kills 12K-36K people per YEAR and it is spread all over the country. Coronavirus killed twice that many in A MONTH, and nobody I know even has it yet. You or people who believe the same sources as you have been making this argument for weeks and in that time 10's of thousands more have died. How big does that number have to get before you at least question your own logic?

Previous Message

I would agree with this. We had no idea because of the bad info coming out of China and even Europe as nobody really knew what it was. Now we know that a certain population has a higher risk than others, we know it isn't nearly as deadly as originally thought, and we even have some drugs showing that they can be effective.

Now, it's a matter of getting people (research and doctors) used to do things in certain ways to modify their theories and realities. The machine that is in motion from the CDC down isn't a sports car. It doesn't turn quickly. And with the unrest and a nation at home with cable media, local media, and google, it has turned political as elected officials now navigate reelection with voters that think they under-reacted or overreacted. How quickly or slowly they move will have an impact in November and I am not talking about the white house. I think there is a 10% block of people that haven't decided but everyone else has in that race. Local officials are the ones that will win or lose seats based on how they get out of this now and we all know how badly they want to stay in power. We shall see what happens with the new information and better understanding.

Previous Message

The death is not high. The hospitalization rate is also not high. The reason for all of this is because we had no clue what we were dealing with 2 months ago.

Previous Message

I would add that the scientists working on COVID are largely the same folks who worked on SARS, EBOLA, AIDS, etc. Both of the white house doctors are also experts on the other viruses in recent history, but every virus has similarities to others and notable differences. COVID's difference is its contagiousness and high death rate.

Previous Message

I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

Re: 3 Questions

Posted by Just answering on 5/5/2020, 3:59 pm, in reply to "3 Questions"

I'm not a doctor, nor a scientist. If you REALLY want the answers to these questions, you should ask them. I suspect you're just trying to stir up controversy.

But why the hell not, I'm bored. Here's my google-informed take.

1 - I don't know why you would suggest that modern scientists and doctors are "not as smart as their predecessors." If anything, they're better informed than their predecessors, which is not really the same thing as smart. If you're suggesting that a scientist from 100 years ago would have been faster to develop a treatment or a vaccine, that's ludicrous.

2 - The biggest reason is the communicability of this virus. With H1N1, some people are contagious for 1 day pre-symptoms. SARS is generally only contagious when you have symptoms. With COVID-19, you can be contagious for a week or two and not know it. Some people have the virus, never have symptoms, and walk around for who knows how long potentially spreading it. Zika is spread by mosquitos, that's completely different. Ebola only spreads by body fluids - it's very dangerous to you if you're caring for an Ebola patient, but otherwise not. AIDS is similar in that way, you can be in close daily contact with an AIDS patient and never catch it, unless you're sharing body fluids.

All of that is the reason for social distancing. If you gather in a group (class, church, bus ride to marching contest, whatever) there could be someone in the group with no symptoms who nonetheless can infect you. The more people in contact with each other, the faster it spreads.

3 - depending on your political leanings, either Trump or China. I think it's just a case of evolution (of the virus) outpacing medical technology. Realistically, I don't know that we'll ever know the entire picture.

I mostly agree HIV/AIDS is a completely different animal. When you look at pandemics though/death rate it's not wrong to include it. Thankfully it requires fluid transmission to spread or it would have killed more than the 700k Americans it's estimated to have killed. That 700k, plus the wide spread of it though does justify it being on there as a health crisis like the OP is getting at.

1. No, they're just as smart and have an amazing amount of new knowledge and technology for studying the virus. The problem is that science has been so vilified in the past twenty some years.

In my opinion it really comes down to a significant number of people disagreeing with evolution. In order to argue against it there has been a movement to discredit science used there, and that attitude has carried to other areas as well.

2. Communicability/asymptomatic spread. You can argue about the mortality rate, but the communicability of this virus is one of the worst we've seen short of measles. Several of the viruses you mention (Ebola, MERS, AIDS) have fluid transmission or very close contact of caregivers necessary for transmission. That makes it a lot easier to avoid once it's detected. (And if you have Ebola or another Hemmorhagic Fever you know it) Also all of those, excepting HIV initially, tend to be symptomatic before someone is contagious. This bug is not only transmissible before symptoms, but some people don't show any symptoms but are still capable of spreading it. This is the part that is the worst thing about this virus.

3. Overconfidence. Not only from the president, but I think at a lot of levels as even Dr. Fauci wasn't panicked about it by the end of February. The belief was it was under control and we didn't need to do anything. I think since we got lucky with SARS, MERS, and H1N1 here in the US we believed we were safe. Nothing new about that - same thing happened to us in 1941 when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

Also I don't think it helped that it may have remained undetected longer than it should have. China has always hidden information that makes it look bad, so their cover up until the doctors began whistleblowing slowed down the response. I don't believe anything was caused by their government other than denying problems for too long. I'm genuinely curious about future studies on when/where it actually arrived here. I'm leery of putting too much faith in this first generation of serology tests though. Only two have even filled out FDA paperwork last I knew, and the other 148 in the market haven't even done that. Initial studies on those testing kits are showing the wild west approach and many false positives and false negatives. (20 percent from some)

1. They are - but we have a national culture to ignore people of knowledge that we didn't have in the 70s, 80s, and for at least part of the 90s. We've effectively demonized intelligence and knowledge in favor of "gut feelings" and "what I think" - and everyone can be an armchair expert with a few Google searches. Plus, we've got a generation of people who have been brought up with "don't trust the Government" thrown at them 24/7 on certain media channels, and they parrot this. Combine all that with a society that lionizes style over substance and this is what you get.

2. It isn't any different than the Spanish Flu was, it's just that none of us were alive to see it then. Plus, we know much much more about disease and how it's transmitted than we did in the past, so we're trying to be aggressive to combat its spread.

I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

1. Of course they are. Hence why we're in lockdown. Distancing works. 2. Because this strain is very contagious and there can be no symptoms for days. 3. Because we have incompetent leadership who'd rather golf and campaign during the entire month of February and call this situation a Democratic hoax. A leader who brags about his ratings as death counts climb. A leader who can't go a single press conference without turning it into a propaganda campaign, while boasting about his accomplishments, and dividing the country by going as far as distancing himself from governors who don't show "enough appreciation."

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

how do you know that social distancing works? What defines what works? Sweden didn't do it, and while their numbers are higher right now, the models show that they are just getting it out of the way quicker than those that applied social distancing.

Death from disease is a fact of life. People die from disease all the time. Are we supposed to social distance forever? or just this time? Waiting for the all mighty government to tell me what to do......

don't understand why this line of thinking exists. So you think that just because people die of other diseases and illnesses, that we should just be OK with thousands of people dying from this virus?! Like, people that wouldn't normally die otherwise? How is that an OK way to justify wanting to "go back to normal"?

Fear of what this virus might do (thank you media for inflating every single aspect of this out control. And also for scaring the world with Murder Hornets which most of us will never even SEE!) while we've become immune to the real danger of what so many other viruses do has driven us away from each other while pretending it's because we love our neighbor.

Why is dying from this virus so much worse than dying from literally anything else? Goodness, I think USAToday even fact checked it and Medi-something pays MORE for your death to be from CV. They've actually incentivized mislabeling deaths for monetary gain when they don't know for sure.

It's been 2 months. Saying we've been locked down and it's not living shows how spoiled we are. For my parent's to live, lock me down. And how is Covid payment any different than what happens in education with career tech money? You get more for labeling things. A majority do it honestly. A small percentage cheat. It happens in every area of life. The problems are we have a small squeaky portion that are entitled. The "I 'm brave and don't need a mask to protect me" because they read it on the internet. The mask is there to keep YOU from infecting people. Use the internet to learn that. And since when is it ok for people to carry guns into a State building during a protest? And how does waving the Confederate flag while protest for American freedoms make sense? We have become experts in everything thanks to the internet but would flip our crap if someone not affiliated with the band world came into our room claiming to know our profession better than us (aka principals). We've done wondered into an age of entitled internet expert ignorance.

You're deflecting and projecting your own paradigms and fears on my statement.

I stay home except for essential trips. I wear the mask I made whenever I go in public like a good little human, and honestly I'm perfectly happy staying at home. I don't miss arguing with kids in the hallway that they are supposed to behave. I don't miss the bureaucraacy at all. When I say we're not living, I reference what they are saying the next 12-18 months ought to look like and wondering what on earth people are thinking. If you think your staying home keeps your parents alive, you imply that you either live with your parents or you still go visit them. If you would like more proof on why I think this is ridiculous, I reference how Sweden has handled this and their illness percentages and death numbers.

I have spent my adult life being opposed to over-cleaning and I believe that kids need dirt to grow. I have not run a fever in over ten years. I rarely even get colds anymore. My kids are ridiculously healthy and get fewer illnesses when compared with their peers - and they always have.

One thing I'll say for sure is that we've (the profession, not you and I specifically) spent so much time preparing kids for tests that we have forgotten to learn how bacteria and viruses really function, and we no longer teach civics - how we should act in our society.

We started giving away our freedoms in 2001 with that P.A.T.R.I.O.T. A.C.T. and I was horrified by that back then. No wonder kds who are coming into adulthood and who know no different are so easily led to socialism and into thinking everything is just fine at the dumpster fire.

And if I do get it (which I seriously doubt I will even if we were to go back to living like we did in February), I half hope it wipes me out - I can't stand the world they're trying to build here all in the name of safety when it doesn't actually make anyone any safer. They're feeding us illusions.

I find your comfort with the small percentage cheat to be terrfiying because you essentally say you are OK with dishonesty for payoff. I have never been OK with that. I don't want to befreind people who are.

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It's been 2 months. Saying we've been locked down and it's not living shows how spoiled we are. For my parent's to live, lock me down. And how is Covid payment any different than what happens in education with career tech money? You get more for labeling things. A majority do it honestly. A small percentage cheat. It happens in every area of life. The problems are we have a small squeaky portion that are entitled. The "I 'm brave and don't need a mask to protect me" because they read it on the internet. The mask is there to keep YOU from infecting people. Use the internet to learn that. And since when is it ok for people to carry guns into a State building during a protest? And how does waving the Confederate flag while protest for American freedoms make sense? We have become experts in everything thanks to the internet but would flip our crap if someone not affiliated with the band world came into our room claiming to know our profession better than us (aka principals). We've done wondered into an age of entitled internet expert ignorance.

My response was not directed at you. I just happened to be there when I hit reply. I apologize on that front. I'm not ok with cheating. I was just asking how it is any different than what most schools are doing to increase funding. We pay a ton in taxes. Yet we are cheated in hospitals and schools where they have to look for loopholes. Our government does the people no favors. I apologize for appearing that my reply was directed to you. It's more directed at the absurdness that is rampant.

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You're deflecting and projecting your own paradigms and fears on my statement.

I stay home except for essential trips. I wear the mask I made whenever I go in public like a good little human, and honestly I'm perfectly happy staying at home. I don't miss arguing with kids in the hallway that they are supposed to behave. I don't miss the bureaucraacy at all. When I say we're not living, I reference what they are saying the next 12-18 months ought to look like and wondering what on earth people are thinking. If you think your staying home keeps your parents alive, you imply that you either live with your parents or you still go visit them. If you would like more proof on why I think this is ridiculous, I reference how Sweden has handled this and their illness percentages and death numbers.

I have spent my adult life being opposed to over-cleaning and I believe that kids need dirt to grow. I have not run a fever in over ten years. I rarely even get colds anymore. My kids are ridiculously healthy and get fewer illnesses when compared with their peers - and they always have.

One thing I'll say for sure is that we've (the profession, not you and I specifically) spent so much time preparing kids for tests that we have forgotten to learn how bacteria and viruses really function, and we no longer teach civics - how we should act in our society.

We started giving away our freedoms in 2001 with that P.A.T.R.I.O.T. A.C.T. and I was horrified by that back then. No wonder kds who are coming into adulthood and who know no different are so easily led to socialism and into thinking everything is just fine at the dumpster fire.

And if I do get it (which I seriously doubt I will even if we were to go back to living like we did in February), I half hope it wipes me out - I can't stand the world they're trying to build here all in the name of safety when it doesn't actually make anyone any safer. They're feeding us illusions.

I find your comfort with the small percentage cheat to be terrfiying because you essentally say you are OK with dishonesty for payoff. I have never been OK with that. I don't want to befreind people who are.

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It's been 2 months. Saying we've been locked down and it's not living shows how spoiled we are. For my parent's to live, lock me down. And how is Covid payment any different than what happens in education with career tech money? You get more for labeling things. A majority do it honestly. A small percentage cheat. It happens in every area of life. The problems are we have a small squeaky portion that are entitled. The "I 'm brave and don't need a mask to protect me" because they read it on the internet. The mask is there to keep YOU from infecting people. Use the internet to learn that. And since when is it ok for people to carry guns into a State building during a protest? And how does waving the Confederate flag while protest for American freedoms make sense? We have become experts in everything thanks to the internet but would flip our crap if someone not affiliated with the band world came into our room claiming to know our profession better than us (aka principals). We've done wondered into an age of entitled internet expert ignorance.

We should work together and create and patent a sarcasm font - we'll make billions.

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My response was not directed at you. I just happened to be there when I hit reply. I apologize on that front. I'm not ok with cheating. I was just asking how it is any different than what most schools are doing to increase funding. We pay a ton in taxes. Yet we are cheated in hospitals and schools where they have to look for loopholes. Our government does the people no favors. I apologize for appearing that my reply was directed to you. It's more directed at the absurdness that is rampant.

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You're deflecting and projecting your own paradigms and fears on my statement.

I stay home except for essential trips. I wear the mask I made whenever I go in public like a good little human, and honestly I'm perfectly happy staying at home. I don't miss arguing with kids in the hallway that they are supposed to behave. I don't miss the bureaucraacy at all. When I say we're not living, I reference what they are saying the next 12-18 months ought to look like and wondering what on earth people are thinking. If you think your staying home keeps your parents alive, you imply that you either live with your parents or you still go visit them. If you would like more proof on why I think this is ridiculous, I reference how Sweden has handled this and their illness percentages and death numbers.

I have spent my adult life being opposed to over-cleaning and I believe that kids need dirt to grow. I have not run a fever in over ten years. I rarely even get colds anymore. My kids are ridiculously healthy and get fewer illnesses when compared with their peers - and they always have.

One thing I'll say for sure is that we've (the profession, not you and I specifically) spent so much time preparing kids for tests that we have forgotten to learn how bacteria and viruses really function, and we no longer teach civics - how we should act in our society.

We started giving away our freedoms in 2001 with that P.A.T.R.I.O.T. A.C.T. and I was horrified by that back then. No wonder kds who are coming into adulthood and who know no different are so easily led to socialism and into thinking everything is just fine at the dumpster fire.

And if I do get it (which I seriously doubt I will even if we were to go back to living like we did in February), I half hope it wipes me out - I can't stand the world they're trying to build here all in the name of safety when it doesn't actually make anyone any safer. They're feeding us illusions.

I find your comfort with the small percentage cheat to be terrfiying because you essentally say you are OK with dishonesty for payoff. I have never been OK with that. I don't want to befreind people who are.

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It's been 2 months. Saying we've been locked down and it's not living shows how spoiled we are. For my parent's to live, lock me down. And how is Covid payment any different than what happens in education with career tech money? You get more for labeling things. A majority do it honestly. A small percentage cheat. It happens in every area of life. The problems are we have a small squeaky portion that are entitled. The "I 'm brave and don't need a mask to protect me" because they read it on the internet. The mask is there to keep YOU from infecting people. Use the internet to learn that. And since when is it ok for people to carry guns into a State building during a protest? And how does waving the Confederate flag while protest for American freedoms make sense? We have become experts in everything thanks to the internet but would flip our crap if someone not affiliated with the band world came into our room claiming to know our profession better than us (aka principals). We've done wondered into an age of entitled internet expert ignorance.

Again. Why this time and not every other time a disease pops up? Is this the new way to handle new viruses? Are we doomed to live shut out from society? Has 1984 finally arrived?

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don't understand why this line of thinking exists. So you think that just because people die of other diseases and illnesses, that we should just be OK with thousands of people dying from this virus?! Like, people that wouldn't normally die otherwise? How is that an OK way to justify wanting to "go back to normal"?

Again. Why this time and not every other time a disease pops up? Is this the new way to handle new viruses? Are we doomed to live shut out from society? Has 1984 finally arrived?

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don't understand why this line of thinking exists. So you think that just because people die of other diseases and illnesses, that we should just be OK with thousands of people dying from this virus?! Like, people that wouldn't normally die otherwise? How is that an OK way to justify wanting to "go back to normal"?

Maybe because while we keep people dying from this virus we are causing people to die for other reasons. It isn't as black and white as we'd like it to be.

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don't understand why this line of thinking exists. So you think that just because people die of other diseases and illnesses, that we should just be OK with thousands of people dying from this virus?! Like, people that wouldn't normally die otherwise? How is that an OK way to justify wanting to "go back to normal"?

So while we keep people home to keep them safe from the virus we are keeping people away from preventative care and pushing them into economic catastrophe that could lead to serious issues. Or locking them in a dangerous situation with no way to escape it.

We talk about dead people don't buy stuff, (in other threads) but households who have a single worker, (dad), that lose dad to an economically driven suicide now have a whole other set of issues to deal with because now mom or kids have to work instead and what happens to the stability of their home? Maybe the home was a single parent/single income home and now the child has no parent... Maybe now the oldest needs a job instead of band or even to finish high school.

Too many of us sitting around with guaranteed income from the government and we aren't looking around us to see what else is happening. There are people truly hurting from the economics of a shutdown and not just so they can buy a new xbox. Real hurt. And let's not even talk about the education gap for low income kids trying to learn online! Some of us calling for a return to "normal" are looking at more than just personal want for entertainment. There are unintended side effects to this lockdown.

There is a misconception that the term "flatten the curve" means that if we do what we have been doing, nobody else gets sick.

Not correct.

The only reason we did this is to avoid overwhelming our medical facilities by "stretching" the curve over a longer period time. People are still going to get sick, just not all at the same time.

What Sweden did reminds me of when I was 6. A friend from school got the Chicken Pox. That weekend, a couple of us went to his house and had a sleepover. Why? So that we got it, and got it out of the way (one of us that were there to this day has never had the Chicken Pox, even though he was obviously exposed just like the rest of us). It was normal for people to do that, and in the area there would be news reports of a big spike in Chicken Pox cases for about two weeks...then...nothing. You don't see/hear about people doing that anymore because there is now a vaccine for Chicken Pox.

1. Of course they are. Hence why we're in lockdown. Distancing works. 2. Because this strain is very contagious and there can be no symptoms for days. 3. Because we have incompetent leadership who'd rather golf and campaign during the entire month of February and call this situation a Democratic hoax. A leader who brags about his ratings as death counts climb. A leader who can't go a single press conference without turning it into a propaganda campaign, while boasting about his accomplishments, and dividing the country by going as far as distancing himself from governors who don't show "enough appreciation."

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

I think that since the current administration's answer to every problem is to close the borders and not let immigrants in, that was their reaction in the beginning: don't let Chinese people travel to the US. Problem is that the virus was brought in by US citizens returning to their homes. If Trump wasn't such a xenophobe and realize that the answer isn't always "close the borders" then maybe the USA wouldn't have become Covid-19 Cental.

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Blame POTUS

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1. Of course they are. Hence why we're in lockdown. Distancing works. 2. Because this strain is very contagious and there can be no symptoms for days. 3. Because we have incompetent leadership who'd rather golf and campaign during the entire month of February and call this situation a Democratic hoax. A leader who brags about his ratings as death counts climb. A leader who can't go a single press conference without turning it into a propaganda campaign, while boasting about his accomplishments, and dividing the country by going as far as distancing himself from governors who don't show "enough appreciation."

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I know many of us are struggling to navigate through this Covid 19 pandemic. Our family and work lives have changed greatly. Zoom, Teams, Duo are common terms in our everyday life at the moment.

The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world. As a country in recent times, we have faced Aids, Sars, H1N1, Zika and Ebola. In each one of these deadly events, as a country we were still able to function with some sort of “normal” activities. We all took precautions for each of these public health crisis. However, we were still able to go to work. Visiting loved ones in the hospital was still allowed. Attending weddings, graduations, and funerals was not interrupted by the previous deadly viruses.

The questions I think we must all ask ourselves are... 1. Are our scientist and doctors not as smart as their predecessors? 2. Why is this public health crisis different? 3. How did we end up in this situation?

My granddaughter almost died in the womb and my daughter was severely injured from the TDAP. So myself and other members of my family have been researching vaccines and what is in them, who is behind them, who make money, and what the agenda is. Go to google and look up the insert for whatever vaccine you are interested in. No thank you to vaccines. By the way, how are you at risk since you choose to be vaccinated if I don't. Are you saying the vaccine doesn't work? So why do you get it. Rant over.

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...in some cases, some of the "experts" have ended up being discredited by their own sub-standard methods.

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Posted by Married to a doctor on 5/5/2020, 11:24 am, in reply to "Re: 3 Questions"

You're lying. Or your daughter didn't disclose their medical history properly, causing a reaction that was completely preventable. Or your family was the one in over a hundred million that gets a severe reaction for no reason whatsoever.

I'm not saying vaccines are harmless. But the NIH specifically says that "the cases of severe side effects from a TDAP vaccine are so inconsistent that it's impossible to even credit the TDAP as the reason for the side effects." - see link here. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK234368/

There are several studies to that effect. Cite a single reputable peer-backed paper that cites that TDAP regularly causes "severe injuries" in any way.

(Hint: You can't - not without cherry-picking data and ignoring science and facts in favor of your feelings. Vaccinate your kids. I don't want my immunocompromised students in my classes getting sick because you're being selfish and rejecting science.)

You're lying. Or your daughter didn't disclose their medical history properly, causing a reaction that was completely preventable. Or your family was the one in over a hundred million that gets a severe reaction for no reason whatsoever.

I'm not saying vaccines are harmless. But the NIH specifically says that "the cases of severe side effects from a TDAP vaccine are so inconsistent that it's impossible to even credit the TDAP as the reason for the side effects." - see link here. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK234368/

There are several studies to that effect. Cite a single reputable peer-backed paper that cites that TDAP regularly causes "severe injuries" in any way.

(Hint: You can't - not without cherry-picking data and ignoring science and facts in favor of your feelings. Vaccinate your kids. I don't want my immunocompromised students in my classes getting sick because you're being selfish and rejecting science.)

Reminds me of a lawsuit from several years ago from Illinois (where I'm from originally).

A woman sued a hospital and their doctors because after she gave birth, they started the baby's vaccination schedule...which she claimed caused the baby to become retarded.

During the trial she was put on the stand, and under cross-ex she testified that during her pregnancy she had contracted a severe case of Rubella....and that she refused treatment. And we know what Rubella can do to a developing fetus. It was the Rubella that injured her baby, not the vaccination.

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You're lying. Or your daughter didn't disclose their medical history properly, causing a reaction that was completely preventable. Or your family was the one in over a hundred million that gets a severe reaction for no reason whatsoever.

I'm not saying vaccines are harmless. But the NIH specifically says that "the cases of severe side effects from a TDAP vaccine are so inconsistent that it's impossible to even credit the TDAP as the reason for the side effects." - see link here. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK234368/

There are several studies to that effect. Cite a single reputable peer-backed paper that cites that TDAP regularly causes "severe injuries" in any way.

(Hint: You can't - not without cherry-picking data and ignoring science and facts in favor of your feelings. Vaccinate your kids. I don't want my immunocompromised students in my classes getting sick because you're being selfish and rejecting science.)

Re: 3 Questions

Posted by Riiiiiiigggghhhhttt on 5/5/2020, 10:34 am, in reply to "Re: 3 Questions"

...make sure you research the "Founding Father" of the Anti-Vax movement...a doctor from England who had his license permanently revoked because he deliberately falsified his research so it would support his Anit-Vax beliefs. Since it is that "research" that the whole movement is still based on, why would anyone take the position seriously? Why would anyone deliberately expose another to an illness by denying them something that can prevent the illness? Sorry, I'm too busy rolling up my sleeve.