Comments on: Report: Free agent right-hander Ervin Santana is considering changing agentshttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/03/06/report-free-agent-right-hander-ervin-santana-is-considering-changing-agents/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Sat, 10 Dec 2016 02:56:52 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: deadeyedesign23http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/03/06/report-free-agent-right-hander-ervin-santana-is-considering-changing-agents/#comment-664756
Fri, 07 Mar 2014 14:02:44 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664756That might be so. I mean the reality is we don’t really know how he values himself. What’s floated out in the media is either conjecture or negotiations tactics. I suppose my point is that even if he DOES value himself fairly, which he may not, he also has a draft pick attached to his value that doesn’t actually go to him. In general it’s just a very unfair system to the players. If they wanted to fix it the team that loses the free agent should just get a supplementary first round pick, but not steal someone else’s because it’s unfair to attribute that price to the cost of a player who won’t see any benefit from it.
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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 13:07:17 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664742For some teams? Yes. If there was no draft pick attached I’m sure a team typically known to spend over the top in FA would have signed him for the money and years he wanted. Unfortunately the teams who don’t care as much about the pick are not high rollers, and only willing to sign him under their terms, which across the board seems to be less money and less years. He has 4 or 5 suitors, all with low ball numbers. None of them value ES as much as he does himself.
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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 13:04:37 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664737Isn’t that a little bullish to assume that is the exact conversation that happened between Santana and his agent? With all due respect, I’d assume you are not an actual agent, correct? So how do you know how this convo typically goes down? While I’d agree in the thought that ES went in and said “bro, give me 4 years, $50 mil,” and that his agent went out and spread the word… there’s no way to know what happened from there. How do you know his agent didn’t say “You have offers for slightly less but I know you can get more.” Remember- the agent gets paid based upon what the player gets. So if the agent truly believes he can get more for a player, which in turn would increase the agents pay day, he is going to push the matter to the player. So WHAT IF the agent did come back to ES and said “we’ll get you closer to 4/$50 than what you’ve been offered so far,” and ES went along with it. Now all of the sudden those offers for slightly less went off the table when guys like Jimenez and Garza were signed, and now that the market for his services has thinned, and his current offers are substantially less in terms of dollars and years… how is it not the agents fault to some degree? Not saying THIS is what happened, but if he’s looking to jump ship on this agent, I would assume this would be a more realistic version of what happened.

And Lincecum was not the barometer for his deal. In the past 2 years the only stat that Lincecum has trumped Santana in would be K’s. Santana in the past 2 years has had a better ERA, WIHP, IP, K/BB to name a few. Which to me? Means Lincecum got overpaid. You can only take “locker room guy” and “fanbase backlash” into consideration to an extent. It’s worth a mil or two a year, sure. But not to the tune of the contract he received. I think Lincecum got paid on the high hopes he returns to his 2011 form, which at this point is a total crap shoot for a mid-rotation guy.

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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:42:01 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664733They are still interested @extavernmouse. Not at his current projections. I had initially heard they’d be willing to go in around 2/$20, so the 3/$36 seems like a stretch, both in per-season value and years. And honestly I think if they offered the latter he would’ve taken the deal in a heartbeat. My feeling is that he had some decent offers in the past few months (3 years, $10/season or so) and his agent balked and told him to hold out. Now all is quiet and he’s peeved that he will likely end up taken much less when he eventually does sign. So the long-winded answer to your question is yes, yes the O’s are still interested in a solid vet.
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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:37:45 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664732If Ubaldo found a team willing to give up the draft pick to get him, why cant Santana?
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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 04:24:48 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664692Santana is a complete and utter moron. Yea go ahead and blame the guy who YOU TOLD WHAT YOUR CONTRACT EXPECTATIONS ARE!!! Here is how an agent works. You go into his office and tell him what your contractual demands are. Then he goes around calling everyteam to see if someone can fit those demands. Then if it falls under the guidelines he reports back to you with the figures. Unfortunately his demands are too high for at best a low end no. 2 starter. And I’m sure he saw the Lincecum deal and salivated. Sure Lincecum was at best a no 3 in the rotation. But as a giants I did not scoff at the deal we made. Because I have watched him over the years and grown accustomed to seeing him pitch every fifth game. Unfortunately Santana has not been supplanted in the same organization his whole career where the teams fanbase would cry outrage at his leaving because no matter what it’s the front offices fault FROM A FANS PERSPECTIVE. And to not resign Lincecum would be heartbreaking for us and totally destroy an incredibly strong locker room culture. Santana has non of that going for him. So he decides to blame the guy who said look here is what I am receiving for your services I think you should go with this team and prove yourself and get rewarded later. Instead he wants to get rewarded NOW by a team who has no loyalty obligation and no fanbase loyalty as well. Lincecum has never tested the market even though he is a cry young winner and throws 200 K’s a season. With those numbers alone along with his star power he could get big deal contracts. But he understands the business aspect and knows he can’t thrive in a media Mecca like New York or a boring city like Minneapolis or half the other cities in the league.
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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 03:53:15 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664681Hell, Rafael’s probably not doing anything.
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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 00:43:41 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664627Isn’t that the guy on Air Wolf that Jan-Michael Vincent played.
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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 00:26:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664623I know the Os signed Johan Santana. Are they looking at Ervin, also?
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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 00:18:57 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664621It likely has as much to do with draft pick compensation as it does with his salary expectations.
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Fri, 07 Mar 2014 00:09:37 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664619http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=string001tho
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Thu, 06 Mar 2014 23:47:07 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664616The Twitterverse is speculating (Max Wildstein from Outside Pitch) that a deal between the O’s and Santana around 3/$36 is likely. For those numbers I surely hope not.
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Thu, 06 Mar 2014 23:24:47 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664609Maybe you ought to re-think that comment.
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Thu, 06 Mar 2014 23:19:03 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664602Or Mr Bean Stringfellow
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Thu, 06 Mar 2014 23:18:46 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664601Yes, because it’s his fault that your sights are so unreasonably high….
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Thu, 06 Mar 2014 23:14:58 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=513201#comment-664599Bean Stringfellow? Is that actually the name this guy goes by?
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