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Over the past couple of weeks 4international has had articles defending Zionism as a national liberation movement removed by the Indymedia Ireland site, and during the same time has had material defending Zionism but attacking bourgeois pro imperialist Zionist so-called leaders removed from the Israpundit site.

How come our articles are attacked simultaneously by both the Fascist Left of Indymedia and the pro American Zionist bourgeois leadership!? And here I am not comparing the two, Fascism is Fascism, Zionism is a progressive national liberation movement 9of the Jews)

What is it about Trotskyism? Seems we make enemies very easily. Could it be because we are independent and we will always value our independence, allowing us to speak the truth?

The Arab Spring has been both the movement towards Fascist Sharia Rule by the Muslim Brotherhood, and at the same time an extension of the New World Empire advanced by a capitalist system, a world capitalist system mark you, in deepening and deepening economic and political crisis.

Note it well, in our analysis there are TWO parts to this equation. There is Islam and there is World Capitalism with the over-riding world capitalist economic crisis.

Taking Islam…Apart from us the left gives Islam a free ride.

There is a very long history to this and only a fool would try to answer this in a few sentences, but people must remember that Stalin and Stalinism were rightly called the “gravedigger” of the revolution. Also it is not just the left which has been sold the fascist pup called “Palestinism” but in essence all of bourgeois society, with the Vatican and the Church of England, the English Trade Union Bureacracy and a thousand others (but not www.4international.me). In relation to Stalinism we will refer later to the new vital film Tsar to Lenin just being re-issued as we write, a vital event in preparation for the 100 year centenary of October 1917

We stand totally behind Israel as the Jewish Homeland but the issue of Jewish leadership causes great difficulties for Jews.

The Zionist leaders are tied to Capitalism just as much as they were under Herzl and from then on to the present. There is no REAL independent Zionist voice. All of the religious leaders in Yesha are in on this business of being tied to capitalism.

And they will betray the Jews and betray the aspirations to national liberation, which is really what Zionism is, no more and no less.

The absurd religionists try to blur this but there is a real grandeur and often pathos to national liberation, and the greatest of all is the Jewish struggle.

It is also why the leadership of the Jews will have to be Trotskyist and no other will do. Without that the Jews will be defeated and will perish in the cauldron of world capitalist crisis. Thus we pose a new concept into the discourse, the possibility of there being a revolutionary socialist and Zionist leadership. Can Zionism be posed in the context of revolutionary socialism? I answer in the affirmative.

In the Arab Spring as they hang on to the coat tails of America the Jewish leaders put up no defence and no fight against the Muslim Brotherhood. Bourgeois Zionism, like all nationalisms that I know, are essentially isolationist.

This was seen most clearly in the case of Libya, and now again is being seen in the conduct of Jewish leaders towards Assad.

Stinks of betrayal of the Jews. In general in great battles you cannot sit on the fence. You have to take a position…take a side.

Take Libya: here the Jews and the West also really did have a staunch ally against the Muslim Brotherhood. Muammar Gadhafi was totally opposed to fundamentalist Islam, putting forward a Sufi-type and an almost animist-Africanist variant. There was the tribal democracy issue of Africa expressed in the democratic committees which they set up after they got rid of medieval royalty. Then there was the move by Gadhafi to rally Africa away from both America and the Stalinists of China and Russia. Whether that all is right or not right what is a fact is that there was the Bush/Blair agreement with Gadhafi to fight Al Qaida.

Above all Gadhafi was arresting and repressing the religious Fascists of Al Qaida, Muslim Brotherhood, and other terrorists, all as part of an explicit agreement with the West.

The West reneged on all these agreements and suddenly turned on a sixpence to create a savage war in which many thousands of black Africans given free access to Libya by Gadhafi were slaughtered.

The bitterest enemies of the Jews, the Antisemitic British with their SAS killers (remember Ireland) were all part of the unfolding deadly drama in Libya.

But the Jewish leaders disgraced Zionism by being part of war along with the SAS criminals. Instead of standing with Gadhafi for so many reasons they did the exact opposite.

There now follows an extract from a prominent Jewish site which is connected to all other Jewish sites without exception (called Israpundit):

March12 2011 was the fateful date of this message from Israpundit, an influential Jewish bourgeois site, and while not trying to get at Israpundit, despite its often disgraceful attitude to Trotskyism, we have to quote because Israpundit is representative of how bankrupt is this form of Jewish leadership (the bourgeois or capitalist anti-socialist kind)

Bomb Libya’s air force rather than maintain a no-fly zone

By Ted Belman

The US administration is debating whether or not to apply a no-fly zone over Libya. It should take JINSA‘s advice issued on Feb 24

President Obama finally stirred himself to address the carnage in Libya, saying the “suffering and bloodshed is outrageous and it is unacceptable.” Without calling on Muammar Gaddafi to step down – as he did to Mubarak for far less – he announced no sanctions or punishment. He left it to Gaddafi. “The Libyan government has a responsibility to refrain from violence, to allow humanitarian assistance to reach those in need and to respect the rights of its people,” he said. “It must be held accountable for its failure to meet those responsibilities and face the cost of continued violations of human rights.”

That is far, far from sufficient. But the United States and its allies in Europe and the Middle East can dramatically help themselves and help the Libyan people at the same time. The operation is relatively simple, it will spare many lives and it will set the stage for stability in the future.

The idea is simple – destroy the Libyan Air Force.

Without the air force, Gaddafi loses a key tool against his people. By acting to protect the population, getting on the right side of the Libyan revolution and definitively punishing Gaddafi, the United States would demonstrate the limits of Western tolerance for reckless, maniacal, murdering dictators. [..]

If you destroy the airforce you save the time and trouble and cost of imposing a no-fly zone.

Of course, we must be sure that the devil we know is worse than the devil that may take over.

(JINSA which Belman refers to is just another of these American, pro-Imperialist sites which also are betraying the Jews by associating with these barbarians. That is also clearly what Belman and Israpundit are doing here)

Without dealing here with the issue of Egypt and Mubarak which we have dealt with in full elsewhere that very position of betrayal of Jewish interest in Libya is being repeated endlessly, and right now in Syria.

Of course if Assad falls the Muslim Brotherhood will take power and there will be no minorities, especially no Christian Syrians, left or they will remain only as dhimmies and paying the tax.

It is as simple as that. But the Jewish leaders every one have been calling for the overthrow of Assad. That at the very least and at its most superficial is a gross betrayal of the Christians in Syria, a very sizeable minority and a betrayal also of all those Muslims who prefer a secular alternative to the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafism (with the example of what has happened in Egypt and Libya staring them right in the face)

These betrayals have got absolutely terrible consequences for the Jewish leadership betrayals lead to terrible Holocaust type traps for the Jewish people.

As things stand today the only allies which the Jews have got are the gadhafi opposition, the Mubarak opposition, the Assad opposition tot he Muslim Brotherhood, Russia and China who are fearful of the advance of the New World Order, the latter especially on two fronts, the surrounding of Russia by NATO, and the stirring up of shabby protest in Moscow (paid CIA mercenaries mostly)

And there was the clear doublecros of Russia and China in that UN Resolution.

All of these experiences have led on to the present critical situation as is expressed in the following analysis from Debka. Proving that the Jewish leaders are betrayers of the Jews, are as capitalists never independent from America and its reactionary New World Order, and that there must be a new socialist and Trotskyist leadership built which will replace these leaders. There is no thir way in this.

Jews are being drawn back to exactly the position they were in following the 1917 October Revolution in Russia. Will Jews support the Socialist Revolution or will they support Imperialist Barbarism, as they did in Libya, as they are doing in Syria.

There is NO question at all bout this. Under the present Bourgeois Zionist leaders Jews will be urged to support Imperialism, Barbarism

Moscow has removed the gloves in its defense of Syrian ruler Bashar Assad. Wednesday, July 4, senior official Ruslan Pukhov warned: “If the Syrian regime is changed by force or if Russia doesn’t like the outcome, it most likely will respond by selling S-300s to Iran.”Pukhov, who sits on the Russian Defense Ministry’s advisory board and heads a defense affairs think tank in Moscow, added: “The fall of the Syrian government would significantly increase the chances of a strike on Iran. Resuming S-300 shipments to Iran may be a very timely decision.”Moscow has since 2010 withheld the S-300 air defense system from Iran at the request of the US and Israel. The Pukhov statement indicated that, just as that was the correct decision for the time, the strategic situation in the Middle East with regard to Syria and Iran has since changed, and so providing Iran with these weapons would be the timely decision now.Kremlin strategic thinking on the region shifted radically in August 2011.On August 8, two weeks before NATO and Arab forces drove the Libyan rebel invasion of Tripoli to oust Muammar Qaddafi, Russia’s ambassador to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, warned in an interview to the Russian Izvestia, “NATO is planning a military campaign against Syria to help overthrow the regime of President Bashar Assad with a long-reaching goal of preparing a beachhead for an attack on Iran.”To this day, Moscow is certain that the same Western-Arab coalition will sooner or later intervene militarily in Syria and then move against Iran.Sources in Washington and Jerusalem found evidence of that suspicion in comments made by Russian President Vladimir Putin during his visit to Israel on June 25. He is reported to have scattered vague threats indicating that Syrian President Bashar Assad’s overthrow would be treated by Moscow as violating Security Council resolutions and elicit Russia’s exit from the international arms embargo on the Syrian regime. Putin was not specific.Russian S-300 missiles batteries would make the targeting of Iranian nuclear sites by US and Israeli warplanes difficult because that weapon is reputed to have a near-zero miss ratio for intercepting ballistic and cruise missiles – even when they come in at very low altitudes.

In late 2009, Moscow began sending Iran some of the technical accessories for the S-300 batteries while withholding the actual missiles and their control and radar systems, debkafile’s military and intelligence sources report. During 2010 and the first half of 2011, Iranian teams were trained in their use at bases in Russia. Moscow continually assured Tehran that with patience, US-Israeli pressure would abate and the missiles could be released.

In any case, Israeli air crews are at bases in Greece training in counter-measures since developed to outwit the S-300, debkafile’s military sources disclose.Tehran has tried to manufacture homemade equivalents to the S-300 on its own – drawing on the knowhow of Iranian military personnel trained in their use in Russia to form designer and construction teams working from blueprints provided during their training.China, which has received these systems from Russia and is replicating them, was quietly approached by Iran for assistance. Beijing is reported to have handed over some of the technical materials but not the key blueprints for enabling their manufacture.That is why Iranian generals often report progress in producing an air defense system similar to the Russian model and declare it will be operational by mid-2013, but have never displayed a homemade prototype.

{debkafile report ends here}

What a mess and what a danger capitalist type Jewish leaders have created for the Jews.

What Israel should do is so clear:

Defend to the hilt, despite your (and indeed understandable) differences, all of these leaders against the Muslim Brotherhood and the New World Empire which is NATO and the UN

Keep Iran out of this. It is OBVIOUS what Israel must do with Iran…it must go to war, nd the sooner the better, and hope that that will lead to the overthrow of the Fascist Mullahs, but in any case damage irreparably their dangerous to Jews plutonium enrichment facilities.

That has nothing whatsoever to the necessary supporting of Assad against the Empire/Sharia for the simple reason that Israel is independent and must strike at its enemy Iran and Hizbullah quite independently, and the sooner the better, like yesterday it should have happened long ago.

We defend the Jewish religion. We defend the right of Jews to practice their ancient religion Judaism. Yet there is no solution at all in Judaism or in any religion no matter how noble. It holds people back from seeing and understanding the reality of this world, and also what needs to be done.

In fact Jews have to go back to the period 1905 to 1917 in Russia to understand what they must do and how to do it. They must go back to Lenin and Trotsky and the Russian Bolshevik led Revolution of 1917 and on this score we will be explaining more about the timely relevance of a new Film just being released in DVD form later this month called From Tsar to Lenin, a vital jistorical film and a guide to action in the present…for Jews and for ALL!

I have made a call on the website of Pamela Geller for Geller and her associate spencer on Jihadwatch to change the direction of the 9.11 commemoration taking place in just over a week in New York

Naturally, and it goes without saying, I support Geller and Spencer in the organising of this commemoration.

There is a general weakness and confusion on this central point. To defend Muammar Gadhafi against the forces of what is an Imperialist Empire, which now is NATO in alliance with The Muslim Brotherhood, does not imply agreement on political programme with Gadhafi.

The defence is unconditional, and is the same kind of defence made by Leon Trotsky when he defended unconditionally the religious despot haile Selassie in Abyssinia in the 1930s against Mussolini’s invasion

But that defence did not imply that Trotsky was in agreement with Selassie politically speaking

This is not that easy a concept to get across but it is absolutely fundamental.

The url below which refers to the most recent article by debka will be most interesting to readers of this website.

We have always said that Gadhafi entered into a real agreement with Bush and Blair, and part of this was to fight the Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaida

Our point has always been that Gadhafi kept his word on this, Obama and Cameron broke theirs.

Also we make the point that this has got huge implications for Israeli leaders.

I have been reading the material put out by Pameal Geller. I have always admired Geller’s spirit in the fight against the erosion of the rights of Free Speech as contained in the First Amendment, and Spencer’sfight against the reaction of Jihad

But in their material published for the 9.11 Anniversary the issue of Libya is absent, never mind that they have never defended Gadhafi against what is in essence worse than the Jihad, it is the Jihad in alliance with NATO and the UN.

With great repercussion and implication for Israel

My comment on Atlas Shrugs is the following (For death of Gadhafi read death of Bin Laden…my error…typing too quickly)

The biggest issue at this moment is Libya. Before it was Ivory Coast. Before it was Egypt. Soon it will be Israel.

The issue of Libya is of the greatest importance because if the alliance of NATO and essentially The Muslim Brotherhood, as well as sections of Al Qaida, is allowed to go unchallenged then that opens the door for NATO power to be used against Israel.

There is an alliance on the ground as well as in the air over Libya between the terrorists of Islam and the forces of NATO, which are in terms of on the ground the men of the British SAS, the French Legionaires, and the US Seals

There is the rub, the same who killed Gadhafi, and even there, there is the possibility that Obama ordered it to bolster his image, although that is uncertain.

In any case it seems to me that the whole of the US and the European Media are hiding the reality of the alliance which their Governments have made and are making with Fascism in Libya

And this raises the possibility that NATO troops, which must have American Seals special troops at the forefront, will be used to enforce the “Palestine” State, which is the same really as this new state and states being enforced in Libya, Egypt, Ivory Coast, and many others

Gadhafi has been isolated completely by the anti Jihad movement

It was absolutely vital to defend Gadhafi unconditionally against the Fascist NATO in alliance with the Fascist Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaida

The following url deals with exactly the position which Gadhafi found himself. He saw NATO in alliance with his enemies, and in that situation he said “two can play at that game” and that was why he sent his son Saif to make overtures

I repeat Gadhafi has been isolated

It was not correct to say and to limit the taking of positions to “after Gadhafi it will be worse”. It was necessary to defend Gadhafi without conditions against his enemies.

That was not done.

In fact every attempt was made by JihadWatch to stick the knife into Gadhafi and to say there was no difference between Gadhafi and his enemies in Libya and in NATO. But there was a difference, all the difference in the world. Pamela Geller went along at least to some extent with Jihadwatch on this.

The url to look at in this regard is:

http://www.debka.com/article/21259/While not implying political agreement with the political programme of Gadhafi at any time the defence of Gadhafi against NATO/Muslim Brotherhood must be placed at the centre of the rally being organized by Geller and Spencer on the 10th anniversary. It goes without saying that I support and defend Geller and Spencer on this rally regardless of other political differences.Putting Libya, and the defence of Gadhafi against NATO, and against the NATO/MB Alliance, at the centre of the 10th anniversary, would help to expose better than anything else the real alliance which exists between Obama/Cameron/Hague/Sarkozy and The Muslim BrotherhoodBut if that is not done the issue of 9.11 is removed from the real issue and struggle of today, and especially how the conquest of Libya by this reactionary coalition (Of NATO and Islam) can lead also to the conquest of the Jews and Israel by the same reactionary alliance

This is from a Russian website. It does not name the source. However in the absence of knowing what they talk about in these secret CIA/MI5 meetings we also asserted from the very beginning that the forces of what we call the “Empire Sharia Alliance” would place their forces on the ground and would eventually murder Gadhafi:

THIS IS FROM A RUSSIAN WEBSITE:

Mar 26, 2011 10:23 Moscow Time

The international coalition may launch a ground operation in Libya as early as in one month’s time, says a high-ranking source in the Russian Intelligence Service.

According to the source, NATO is drawing up plans to that end in an effort that involves the UK and the USA.

The operation may start unless airstrikes at the Muammar Gaddafi forces will fail to make him surrender.

It transpired a day earlier that the US started transferring more than 4,000 seamen and Marines to the Mediterranean to reinforce the coalition’s Operation Odyssey Dawn.

I have been attacked for publishing detail on Julia Gorin, why she wrote nothing on Libya.

Is that attack on me fair? I defend Julia Gorin and support her campaign to expose the lies against the Serbs. But I do not operate as part of a clique in any area of politics.

In one respect I may be unfair to Gorin. She may be ill and unable to write or something like that. In any case time will tell.

Note I and 4international will never operate as `part of a clique in any area of political life.

I have answered the attack made on me, I was accused of dumping on Julia, by stating that the Srebrenica Lie against the Serbs was carried out by precisely other cliques of people.

It is my opinion that the great killer of free speech in our period is silence.

It is far from being just orin. We have attacked the whole of the present Jewish leadership in the world on the issue of their position towards Gadhafi, which is really all about their position and political relationship towards the “Empire Sharia Alliance”, my term, and I stick with it because it sums up the essence.

What is happening in Libya?

What is happening in Syria?

To see what is happening consider this:

The attack on Gadhafi by the “Empire Sharia Alliance” can only be compared to Hitler and the Nazis, Czechoslovakia and beyond

The centre of the Arab opposition is laced by the Muslim Brotherhood, and by antisemitism as was the Nazis

It is all orchestrated by the Empire and goes hand in hand with the Empire Sharia Alliance continual campaign to delegitimize Israel and to make the Jews a hated people big time once more

WE WILL EXPAND ON THIS BUT THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN LIBYA AND SYRIA

These are the New nazis, those who are waging war on Gadhafi and on Libya

It is in essence an Alliance, where these modern state and international Nazis like Obama and Cameron, are in alliance with the Nazi ideology of Islam. (Note these are NOT Nazi states but they carry on a Nazi type policy abroad, and the two are connected…we move towards Fascism at home also, note that Obama went to war without bothering about Congress, the centre of American democratic life)

It is all laced with Antisemitism , Jew Hatred, which is why they will NEVER attack Iran, or Syria. Syria and Iran will be allowed carry on murdering oppositionists

But they will murder the essential anti-Islamist and tribalist Gadhafi in order to create an Islamist, fascist and Jew Hating state on the Med.

It is a firm alliance on a world scale between world capitalist governments in crisis, and the essential Nazi ideology and practice of Sharia Islam

They thus are a great menace to all Jews, these Jewish elite leaders who support and defend this Empire.

The position of all these blogs and leaders who we attack here has not really been explored.

In supporting this Empire they are supporting the New nazis. Why do Jewish people support this Empire? THAT is what has not been explained!

We on 4international hope for a Gadhafi victory over the forces of the Empire/Sharia Alliance

Gadhafi is fighting for us all, all of us who oppose this Alliance of the Evil.

We as Trotskyists stand TOTALLY with Gadhafi. And we ask all of our friends among the Jewish patriots, and we have many friends, to stand with us along with Gadhafi

The future of this very battle, in which we must defend Gadhafi, is going to determine if Israel will continue to exist. In short, Obama, Cameron, Zapatero and their likes must be defeated because the Empire/Sharia Alliance must be defeated.

No matter how the Media talking heads spin it Libya is a tiny country of a mere handful of millions

America has 300m millions

Britain about 60 millions

Spain about 40 millions

France about 60 millions

Add all of the rest and you soon arrive at a figure of at least a billion actively involved in this war against Libya

The opposition to Gadhafi concentrated in Eastern Libya is laced with extreme Islamists. This area sent more suicide murderers into Iraq to carry out suicide murders than any other area in the world

Al Qaeda is involved and has been involved ever since Islamists came back from Afghanistan and tried to assassinate Gadhafi. The Muslim Brotherhood, the extreme Islamist organization, is heavily represented and is tightly organised.

These countries, Britain, America, France, and Spain who are leading the charge have insoluble economic problems in their own economies.

Why should they, and what is their great interest in helping such oppositional forces to Gadhafi.

We on 4international have been opposed to these so called oppositional forces since the very beginning. We are unique in the world in that respect. I mean others have come round but we never had a moment of hesitation!

It is not that we are against democratic rights. The opposite, we are foremost in defending democratic rights. But what rights did the American journalist Lara Logan have when she was stripped naked in Cairo by these “protesters” and repeatedly raped, with the bob calling “Jew Jew” to her (Actually she is not Jewish.)

So where are we?

Actually, in all truth, 4international is the only force on earth which has a clear position. We defend Gadhafi and his forces unconditionally, in the same way that Leon Trotsky defended Haile Selassie against Nazi attack in the 1930s

We are independent from Gadhafi; we have different policies and different approaches to life; but our defence is unconditional; against the murdering Imperialists our defence is (that important word again) unconditional; we wish for Gadhafi to survive and for the attackers of his country to be defeated and we will do everything in our power to do just that.

This is a real testing situation for leadership

We on 4international know very well that the best elements out of the Jewish leadership will come forward in a principled way and defend Gadhafi against these enormous odds

That is already happening. That affirms the truly great, historical and progressive nature of Zionism, as the millennia old striving of the Jewish people to live in Zion, which is the centre of their Judaism, a religion and political philosophy which has guided this people through thick and thin.

Why should they abandon or throw that off? We on 4international respect it.

We already have much evidence of this Empire/Sharia alliance. The great historical record is of how Islam and the Nazis came so closely together that they were indistinguishable.

Then just 40 years or so after the end of the Holocaust the whole dirty history was being re-resurrected first with the Holocaust Denier Tudjman, then most remarkable with the Clinton Alliance with Izetbegovic, a confirmed and admitted (Islamic Declaration) Nazi Islamist. Then the body snatchers of the Albanian Nazi Islamists in Kosovo.

While all this was happening in the 90s we had reactionaries like Oliver Kamm (Now The Times of London) rabbiting on with his lies trying to hide the truth, especially from Jews

Then there was and is the totally disorientated “Left”, some of them even calling themselves “Trotskyists”, and take it from me that later claim needs to be looked into!

As we speak Matgamma and WSWS are joining with the Imperialists (in differing ways)

THE AMERICANS ARE THE MASS MURDERERS

THE BRITISH ARE THE MASS MURDERERS

THE SPANISH ARE THE MASS MURDERERS

THE CANADIANS ARE THE MASS MURDERERS

OUR DEFENCE OF GADHAFI IS UNCONDITIONAL AGAINST THESE MASS MURDERERS

We believe that in these great historical events you cannot be a hurler on the ditch!