I wonder why/when it changed? Being a track rider I'm sure he is used to putting out power being low and his role as a rider has changed. I'd love to see the hyper low/mega drop positions tunnel tested mainly to see if Gerard Vroomen's theory about riders increasing drag by lowering bars too much is true.

Nothing at all but being sponsored by a PM selling company it sounds against (their) marketing. Kudos to him to show this clear opinion but then it'll be funny to find a youtube Garmin channel video with his praises to Vector(s)

I wonder why/when it changed? Being a track rider I'm sure he is used to putting out power being low and his role as a rider has changed. I'd love to see the hyper low/mega drop positions tunnel tested mainly to see if Gerard Vroomen's theory about riders increasing drag by lowering bars too much is true.

Vroomen's theory is just a story invented to justify Cervelo's decision to cover a larger frame size span (smallest to largest) without increasing the number of available sizes.This causing the stack size jumps from size to size in the middle of the range to grow more than the size jump

It doesn't satisfy internet pseudo-coaches that barely ride a bike and don't actually understand that people who are gifted can often be pretty successful with a variety of training modalities.

KWalker, not disappointing with a little zinger. (BTW, what is the definition of a pseudo-coach? It is a guy who criticises and comments on various Pro's and their fit on bikes... and then can't fit himself? Coach, train thyself?)

Again, a variety of training modalities, including racing and training on "feel", and recording of power data (and other data) is not mutually exclusive.

If you're a team manager paying many thousands per year per year for riders I would be wanting all their data - not just for performance, it is also useful in conjunction with internal anti-doping measures.

And as mentioned above, probably not wise to publicly eschew a power meter when your sponsor is marketing their new...wait for it... power meter. Not very professional.

_________________"Physiology is all just propaganda and lies... all waiting to be disproven by the next study.""I'm not a real doctor; But I am a real worm; I am an actual worm." - TMBG

I wonder why/when it changed? Being a track rider I'm sure he is used to putting out power being low and his role as a rider has changed. I'd love to see the hyper low/mega drop positions tunnel tested mainly to see if Gerard Vroomen's theory about riders increasing drag by lowering bars too much is true.

Vroomen's theory is just a story invented to justify Cervelo's decision to cover a larger frame size span (smallest to largest) without increasing the number of available sizes.This causing the stack size jumps from size to size in the middle of the range to grow more than the size jump

Some of Cameron Meyer's leaked wind tunnel test results from a few years back when 3T developed the Sphinx bar beg to differ with you/agree with Vroomen. Sometimes a higher bar height relaxes the upper back and actually lowers the vertical profile of the rider.

And as mentioned above, probably not wise to publicly eschew a power meter when your sponsor is marketing their new...wait for it... power meter. Not very professional.

I think you read more into this than what was really in the article...

Martin didn't trash his sponsor or the product so not so big an issue, he just stated he doesn't have the power of fellow racers so has to use his brain & instincts to be efficient, I'm sure he uses his sponsors products at times...it's refreshing to see an opinion that differs from many in the peloton these days, maybe that's why Thomas Voeckler is popular? So you question his intelligence because he can read a race, train well and win without devices?

I'll just wait for the third sigh shall I...

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Agreed and what causes a major stir among WWers (someone using a new shoe cover or plate hanger) probably won't have any impact at all on the general public whom the sponsors mainly target. Even if Garmin finds out about it, I doubt they will throw a fit over this.

I'm not a basketball fan but saw a story in the news about Jason Kidd being fines US$50k for intentionally spilling a beverage on the court during a timeout to extend the stoppage of the clock. Pretty blatant cheating in my opinion. Now, 50k is a tiny drop in the bucket for the multi-millions the guy gets paid, and will likely be paid by the team and/or sponsors (Coke must be thrilled with the bargain opportunity for prime-time advertising.). But what if cycling did something similar with cheating/doping? Drop the ridiculous "swiss franc" fines and start dropping penalties in the tens-of-thousands of dollars, escalating with each infraction. Would it change anything?

In American pro sports you get a number of games not years for violating the league substance abuse policy.

I think the deterrents are coming and cycling already does much more than most sports with regards to policing. What it needs to do a better job of is handling the information and how it is conveyed to the audience. Unless we all prefer the doping innuendo and soap opera drama that comes with it to actual bike racing.

Vroomen's theory is just a story invented to justify Cervelo's decision to cover a larger frame size span (smallest to largest) without increasing the number of available sizes.This causing the stack size jumps from size to size in the middle of the range to grow more than the size jump

3D Bike Fit raised my bars, much to my emotional disapproval. But the before and after photos showed my back position was essentially the same; I was more comfortable. Comfort = bad, right? Suffering builds character.

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