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Re: Pacers Tank Update 3/4/10

I was unable (did not want to) watch the game last night, so I checked the box score this morning. I cannot believe that Danny was the only one in double figures. I knew we would get beat, but man, we got smoked. It is very obvious now that no one really cares and JOB has competely lost the team. If Bird cannot see this and doesn't do something about it (New Coach), then I lay the blame completely on Larry. Actually, I already blame him. JOB has made enough comments in the press and made enough stupid decisions on the court, that if Larry retains him next year, he is just as big as a fool. It is one thing to have average to below-average players...it is another to have an incompetent coach...and still another to have a clueless front office. I cannot believe, in the "land of basketball", we have all three. I have ZERO confidence that Larry will play this "3-yr plan" correctly and deliver us a playoff team. I actually think we will screw up the draft, retain JOB, let our expirings expire, and then try and re-sign most of them at some sort of discount. There will be no major free agents. There will be no trades for bigtime players. I am counting the hours until we hear the trade demands coming from Granger. Welcome back to the 80's! I HATE to be pessimistic as I am being, but I have seen nothing from the FO that would lead me to believe anything different. I am almost to the point where I agree with some other poster on some other thread, that JOB and the FO are trying to p***-off the fanbase, in anticipation of a move. Kinda like wanting to break up with your GF, but you don't have the cajones, so you p*** her off until she breaks up with you. Again, sorry for the pessimism.

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Re: Pacers Tank Update 3/4/10

As I've said, basing your entire hopes on a game of chance, which is what the stupid draft lottery is, gets you nothing but disappointment.

At best we'll draft where we finish, but luck doesn't run that way for this team.

As a side comment, it seems like there's a lot of people who will never be happy since the only two places out of 30 that make anyone happy are a championship or winning a ping-pong-ball lottery. That makes for 28 teams every year with fans who aren't just disappointed their team didn't do better, they are angry. Some people need to get a reality check.

BillS

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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Re: Pacers Tank Update 3/4/10

Hmm, so we actually have a shot at a top player in this draft. I didn't think this team would be this bad, but it's possible that a lot of these guys don't care at this point. I think JOB lost this team long ago. I'd really love to see Evan Turner in a Pacer's uniform, but coming to Indiana may curse his back. We've had horrible luck with injuries.

This is a rare year in which I'm pretty excited about or 2nd round pick. Some really solid players could slide to us.

Re: Pacers Tank Update 3/4/10

Well I will have to take something positive from this. My stance is still firm on not advocating tanking, as well as encouraging or getting excited for losses.

I will however note that the positives if the team continues it's downward spiral are as follows:

Albeit as little playing time that Hibbert has been "awarded", I am pleased with his progress towards being an NBA center.

The same goes for AJ, he has shown that he is capable of running the floor, he just needs more PT.

Danny is still capable of being "the guy" for this team. He just needs to regain that consistency.

We are all but guaranteed a top-10 draft pick this summer.

With every game coming to a close, we are one day closer to the summer of 2011.

It's a shame that this season turned into what it did. But I wish there were more positives going into this summer. I share the same sort of pessimism that Bill has about us landing that coveted top-3 pick, but part of me will just tell myself it is possible.

Re: Pacers Tank Update 3/4/10

I'm okay with really sucking to be good or being really good, so it was the 12-14 picks that were the killer. You'd still rather have more options at #2 in the draft than #8. Mainly, being in a position where you don't see much hope on the horizon or at least in the pacers case, was what was the rub.

In general, I agree with you. The Colts this year are a prime example of this thinking.

Re: Pacers Tank Update 3/4/10

I have ZERO confidence that Larry will play this "3-yr plan" correctly and deliver us a playoff team.

Who's to judge if the 3 year plan is played correctly?

As I understand it the front office's plan was to build the core until the big contracts expire. Then make trades and pick up free agents. The've been doing that.

The principle core being Granger, Hibbert, Rush, Hansbrough, and now Price. I think Solo and Roberts are tryouts for the core.

Trading Rush to Charlotte for two other young guys would have been a good way to increase the core. Whether that would have been the right way to go remains to be seen.

Now, my question is how can we as fans judge whether the three year plan is played correctly? We really can't.

Sure we can judge whether Rush & Ford for Henderson, Augustin, and Nazr would have been a good trade, but not right away.

However we lack one piece of vital information on judging the plan. (Which won't stop people) We won't know what players are in play as to trades unless a trade is made, and if you ask me who we pick up with the expirings is the key to the plan. They won't all be free agents.

Re: Pacers Tank Update 3/4/10

However we lack one piece of vital information on judging the plan. (Which won't stop people) We won't know what players are in play as to trades unless a trade is made, and if you ask me who we pick up with the expirings is the key to the plan. They won't all be free agents.

Silly Will. Of course we know. We know that whatever would have been most advantageous to the Pacers was in play and the dummies in the FO turned it down. Or it could be that whatever the minimum exchange might have been was in play and we should have taken it no matter what it was. After all, any trade today is great until the player traded turns out to be better than what we got, in which case we should have known to hold out for more.

BillS

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

Re: Pacers Tank Update 3/4/10

It appears the Pistons have indeed given up on trying to fix this season as well. And they're only 1 game better than Indiana at this point.

This is exactly what so many posters miss!

Posters are acting like an upset girl that's out in the middle of nowhere with their boyfriend. They get mad at him and instead of telling him to take them home they demand that he stop the car so they can get out right then. It's stupid to get out then and everyone knows it.

Silly Will. Of course we know. We know that whatever would have been most advantageous to the Pacers was in play and the dummies in the FO turned it down. Or it could be that whatever the minimum exchange might have been was in play and we should have taken it no matter what it was. After all, any trade today is great until the player traded turns out to be better than what we got, in which case we should have known to hold out for more.

Re: Pacers Tank Update 3/4/10

I was unable (did not want to) watch the game last night, so I checked the box score this morning. I cannot believe that Danny was the only one in double figures. I knew we would get beat, but man, we got smoked. It is very obvious now that no one really cares and JOB has competely lost the team. If Bird cannot see this and doesn't do something about it (New Coach), then I lay the blame completely on Larry. Actually, I already blame him. JOB has made enough comments in the press and made enough stupid decisions on the court, that if Larry retains him next year, he is just as big as a fool. It is one thing to have average to below-average players...it is another to have an incompetent coach...and still another to have a clueless front office. I cannot believe, in the "land of basketball", we have all three. I have ZERO confidence that Larry will play this "3-yr plan" correctly and deliver us a playoff team. I actually think we will screw up the draft, retain JOB, let our expirings expire, and then try and re-sign most of them at some sort of discount. There will be no major free agents. There will be no trades for bigtime players. I am counting the hours until we hear the trade demands coming from Granger. Welcome back to the 80's! I HATE to be pessimistic as I am being, but I have seen nothing from the FO that would lead me to believe anything different. I am almost to the point where I agree with some other poster on some other thread, that JOB and the FO are trying to p***-off the fanbase, in anticipation of a move. Kinda like wanting to break up with your GF, but you don't have the cajones, so you p*** her off until she breaks up with you. Again, sorry for the pessimism.

I'll use the argument I've been using in that if Bird really has a "3 yr plan" he's executing, and the current state of our team and what we could/could not get for our contracts...he would be doing exactly what he is now. Mike's and Troy's expiring contracts were always going to bring more trade value than their services, even prior to Mike's injury last year when they were both playing very well and beating people's expectations for them. Draft-wise I'll say again, Tyler, Rush, and Hibbert continue to look like solid picks considering the players that were chosen after them. One thing I am not happy about is O'Brien having received an extension that will probably have him here one more year (the Simons wouldn't allow the FO to fire Obie and have to pay a second HC in a year where we still won't be competitive), I'd rather we got our coach of the future next year so he can be in place to guide the young future of this team.

But yeah, in short, Bird really hasn't done anything yet except get the most from our draft slots and do a lot of waiting. Which is all that can and should be done at this stage.