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re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Originally Posted by Thrilla

sigh... this is going nowhere.

I'll defer to your obvious extensive military knowledge on these matters...

Hey, hey, no need to wave that white flag bitterly. You seem to believe that we didn't trumpet to the 4 winds that we were coming after Saddam and Baghdad from the start. Were you old enough to watch the war coverage by yourself in 2003?

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion I gain Strength. Through Strength I gain Power. Through Power I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me.

re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Originally Posted by Hatuey

Oh, you haven't been telling us that they weren't preparing for the inevitable showdown with a world class military? Interesting. Then what's the point of complaining that they now have time to prepare for something they would have been preparing for anyways? Did they not plan on being attacked by any military force in the region? Did that chubby Jordan warrior king not wake them up to the possibility of an attack by a professional military force? We told them we're moving troops 3 months ahead of time, which gives them 3 months for what exactly? Making carefully laid out of plans to defend one city as opposed to the other dozen or so targets on the are they supposedly control. Again, the point has gone far over your head.

You wish .....you were the one that couldn't figure out what harden defenses means. Then you missed the part about Team BO saying it would take them 3 years to train at minimum for the Iraqis to take back Iraq. Yet think 25k Iraqis with Air Cover will take back a city of a million. With a few months of training.

Truly you are so out of your depth.....its like watching a re-run of Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in.

re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Originally Posted by Hatuey

Hey, hey, no need to wave that white flag bitterly. You seem to believe that we didn't trumpet to the 4 winds that we were coming after Saddam and Baghdad from the start. Were you old enough to watch the war coverage by yourself in 2003?

there's no white flag.. i'm just not going to argue with someone with zero military experience pretending they know what they are talking about.

yes, i'm old enough to have watched the coverage...
I'm old to to have enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1969 .. and I'm old enough to have retired 25 years later.
i'm even old enough to have been involved in a couple dozen cases of Servicemembers being prosecuted under the UCMJ for OpSec/PerSec violations that were less egregious than the one we are talking about.

re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Originally Posted by MMC

You wish .....you were the one that couldn't figure out what harden defenses means.

Now you're just making things up. I asked you what you thought they were going to do. Then when you answered, I got you to admit that there is not a single relevant reason they wouldn't already be doing it. Which made your entire opposition to what Obama did absurd as you yourself admitted that ISIL would already be doing it if they had any kind of military background. That's what went over your head like a 747.

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion I gain Strength. Through Strength I gain Power. Through Power I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me.

re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Originally Posted by Hatuey

Now you're just making things up. I asked you what you thought they were going to do. Then when you answered, I got you to admit that there is not a single relevant reason they wouldn't already be doing it. Which made your entire opposition to what Obama did absurd as you yourself admitted that ISIL would already be doing it if they had any kind of military background. That's what went over your head like a 747.

I already showed the link about telegraphing to the Civilians.....so once again. Reading is fun and mental.

re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Originally Posted by Thrilla

there's no white flag.. i'm just not going to argue with someone with zero military experience pretending they know what they are talking about.

yes, i'm old enough to have watched the coverage...
I'm old to to have enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1969 .. and I'm old enough to have retired 25 years later.
i'm even old enough to have been involved in a couple dozen cases of Servicemembers being prosecuted under the UCMJ for OpSec/PerSec violations that were less egregious than the one we are talking about.

We know, we know dude, we didn't trumpet to the 4 winds how many people we were coming up with and just where we'd be going. Except there is ample evidence that we were telling Saddam that we were coming and how many people we were coming with. We get it. Revisionist history at its finest.

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion I gain Strength. Through Strength I gain Power. Through Power I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me.

re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Originally Posted by MMC

I already showed the link about telegraphing to the Civilians.....so once again. Reading is fun and mental.

Hmm. The post above is incoherent. You made up stuff about what I actually did. Now that I've walked you through it, your narrative is falling apart. Tell us again about the traps that ISIL is setting up now that they're sure that they're going to face resistance. I mean, the Jordanians, Kurds, Shiite-militias, etc haven't made them put up these traps and move hostages?

What have they been waiting for? It's been nearly 7 years since Bush signed the Iraq withdrawal agreement and Obama complied with it. That withdrawal agreement alluded to the fact that the US would return if the Iraqis asked for it. Did ISIL not think that the US returning was a possibility? Well, forget the US. Did they not think any military in the region would resist them and plan accordingly?

Your narrative, it's not standing up to scrutiny.

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion I gain Strength. Through Strength I gain Power. Through Power I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me.

re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Originally Posted by Hatuey

We know, we know dude, we didn't trumpet to the 4 winds how many people we were coming up with and just where we'd be going. Except there is ample evidence that we were telling Saddam that we were coming and how many people we were coming with. We get it. Revisionist history at its finest.

re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

Originally Posted by Hatuey

Hmm. The post above is incoherent. You made up stuff about what I actually did. Now that I've walked you through it, your narrative is falling apart. Tell us again about the traps that ISIL is setting up now that they're sure that they're going to face resistance. I mean, the Jordanians, Kurds, Shiite-militias, etc haven't made them put up these traps and move hostages?

What have they been waiting for? It's been nearly 7 years since Bush signed the Iraq withdrawal agreement and Obama complied with it. That withdrawal agreement alluded to the fact that the US would return if the Iraqis asked for it. Did ISIL not think that the US returning was a possibility? Well, forget the US. Did they not think any military in the region would resist them and plan accordingly?

Your narrative, it's not standing up to scrutiny.

When you figure out that part about 2 wrongs don't make it Right. While bringing up what we did under a Republican leadership. Just to say see.....the Repubs did it too. While trying to save face over the BS you did say. While not figuring out what this was all about. Then you can talk.

And again while looking for some specific statement to play off of while not understanding the whole concept as to what the strategy was all about in the first place. As well as not having any Military experience. Leaves you back to wondering what whizzed by you in the first place.