ABC News Comes to Valley Forge

Well, ABC decided to stop by Valley Forge and cover Betsy Metz's Treason in America conference for a piece within the next week on the Pentagon shooter.

We were the first up to be interviewed. You can see the entire conversation right here, uncut ...

Needless to say, this crew was not given a free pass by anyone they spoke to. Colleen Rowley reportedly told the anchor that he should consider a job with the FBI, because he was more agressive than any interrogator she'd ever met in her time at the Bureau.

'Colleen Rowley reportedly told the anchor that he should consider a job with the FBI, because he was more agressive than any interrogator she'd ever met in her time at the Bureau.'

Isn't that revealing! I hope someone reminded them of their own anchor's comment on the day of 9/11 itself, about how you needed to 'get at the infrastructure' in order to cause buildings to come down like that.

You stuffed the interviewer repeatedly, who seemed to have an agenda. A textbook example of how to handle the media on this matter.

The media could report the scientific findings for explosives. Instead they chase soundbites about the "lunatic fringe" and Pentagon shooter. At the management level, the media seem complicit in the cover-up and deliberate attempts to discredit those who question the official story.

All I could think was, 'what a cold hearted smug son of a bitch. He wasn't looking for the truth. He was looking for you guys to screw up and say something he could put on 6 o-clock news that would support his "fringe lunatic" theory.'
Good work on not falling in his trap. Good work too on repeatedly calling him out to actually do his job.
Unlike him you guys can stand tall all day and sleep well at night.

I'm really in awe with the answers and comments of Dylan and his producer. They 're excellent, but this reporter is arrogant, and his contempt is making me angry. His strategy is not even subtle. This pentagon shooter story is the perfect excuse to attack 9/11 Truth, and even though I didn't take the time yet to look at the facts, it smells so bad...

I'm pretty sure there is a clear, articulate strategy to destroy the movement.

to hurt or oppose us, has ALWAYS backfired in a big way, the result of which they only helped FORWARD our movement, and it's a one way firehose the information, so once people are compelled to look into it, and into the information we are presenting, they too come to see the God aweful horrific truth of the matter, and are therefore COMPELLED to DO something about it.

Men like that reporter are just very scared I think - because they are beginning to realize that our movement is becoming a powerful FORCE to be reckoned with, and like Korey says, it's not about us, but about what really happened, and what we're STILL mired in to this day as a result of 9/11, the why and how of it all, as well as the desire for understanding, awareness, even healing, and if possible, learning.

You disarmed every loaded question this shill threw at you, and called him on his yellow journalism tactics. You challenged the corporate media’s non-treatment of this issue from day one and held it firmly in his face.
He was clearly only there to sow the seeds of 9/11 Truth as a dangerous domestic terrorist plot and a threat to the people of this country.
The ABC piece that comes from this shoot, if it ever airs, should be very interesting.
Thanks to efforts like yours, we are beginning to turn the tide.
We all need to redouble our efforts, as there is not much time left.

ABC: "Secrecy is not possible in Washington; someone would have talked by now."

Dylan Avery: "There's an FBI whistleblower in this room right now. You should be interviewing her, but you find it easier to try and extrapolate sound bytes from two young film makers."

Bravo! Watching part 2 now.

Edit: Well done guys. It was great watching you guys hold his feet to the fire.

Indeed it is very shameless and his agenda has been shown, in that he refused to interview Bob McIlvaine but was clearly interested in trying to discredit two young filmmakers and tie the conference in with the Pentagon shooter.

Things are getting interesting, as our movement dovetails with the anti-war and anti-establishment movements, and that's right Korey that the Tea Party Movement was initiated by the 9/11 Truth Movement, and how the Jersey Girls have signed on to Richard Gage's petition. It''s a MOVEMENT, a historical transformation in the works - so NOW is the time, to push on in, and through, through to a transformation, not in military affairs, but in human affairs.

You guys did so well through that, and it balanced out perfectly, and yes, it's shameless that they would not interview McIlvaine. Did they stick around for Gage's presentation I wonder..? One wonders what they might have thought about that, in their heart of hearts.

Man that guy was an ASS, and I can certainly understand Dylan why he got your goat, but it worked out well with Korey there, to balance it all out. Wonderful interview. Well done!

Hey this was a great job you guys did here and you know how I know? I bet none of this will be aired, except maybe an edited clip where you said that you don't know anything.

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government." -The Declaration of Independence

"When he asked how many people would have been involved I would have pointed at him and said, "Well, here's one ..."

Yea...and they should have added that the media are complicit in the death and maiming of thousands of troops, hundreds of thousands, of Iraqis and now more and more Afghans through the use of censorship and the spreading of misinformation...And then asked the creep how he sleeps at night.

We have the video documentation. That is invaluable. The look on that NewsCorp guy's face as he faced knowing that it is irrefutable that the whole MSM is part of the game. They are always in the game. Not on exposing government's underbelly, but of attempting, (or not, maybe he wasn't,?) But thank God they were there, AND NOW we have OUR own video documentation, which will expose them for their dirty editing tactics if they do, and one could expect to happen, FUX and his MMSM, MilitaryManipulatedSteamingMedia. Well, when it is, or if it is mangled in process, before being presented to the public. his integrity can be squashed, because 20 different countries around the world will be getting the news. NewsCorp is an arm of the government,. He has an extraordinary opportunity to do something good for his country, support this, be honest about what he finds out, or kiss high ass in the company, whatever kind of company they are, who is to say? We all know what CIA have told us about the media and their tight circles with the media, if not actually ARE most...or...mu ch of...how are we to know? We know they do little psy ops games on us, like turning the color of the "danger level" What crap! One can only guess what's real. Sad to be in a what is growing to more and moe a fascist state.

Anyway, we have the ACTUAL video documentation, broken only once in these two parts. So, with people of twenty diferent languages taking note, this NC guy better. People of twenty different languages will probably get this video clip passed around. This is a direct personal challenge, it should be for this reporter to do the right thing and know that in his life, he could show some cajones and do what is right for humanity. Humanity in quite a few different countries has suffered from illegal dishonest invasions compliments of the PNAC (although, get this they changed their name, can't recall to what though) the NEW PEARL HARBOR they spoke poetically about,, while trying to sell it to the public, so they and their oil buddies and Milton Friedman boys, the soulless economics of disaster capitalism, to take over the middle east . These people sure have acted suspiciously on every occasion, obviously suspicious, like little kids getting caught in the cookie jar, only theirs is coming out bloody from the cookie jar.

Pivotal point.

The finesse of our guys was impeccable. The challenge presented to the NC guy was on target. Did I say I loved this? Magnificent!. Our guys are magnificent in strength of character and genuineness!

The most severe form of learning disorders are owned by those that "already know everything."

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When the student is ready the teacher will come.
Come to think of it, I hope I don't have to do what you did to this guy. I hope the media learns from this video and starts doing their job so I won't have to go on the attack.
Matt

Besides examples of secrets that have been kept from the press, another huge, critical factor is when the media has information, and--willingly--either conceals what it knows to be true or promotes what it knows to be false. Think, for example, of what happened back in the fall of 1990, when the GHWB administration had troops in Saudi Arabia for 'Operation Desert Shield,' but wanted authorization to drive Iraqi forces out of Kuwait (while destroying the infrastructure of Iraq in the process). A young woman pretending to be a nurse went before Congress and testified that Iraqi soldiers had killed babies in a Kuwaiti hospital by removing them from incubators. But this was a fabrication, and she was no nurse--in fact, she was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador, and had been coached for her performance by the PR firm of Hill and Knowlton. Now, are we supposed to believe that not a soul in the Washington press corps knew the girl's true identity at the time? But not a word was said then, and the false testimony worked like a charm in helping the administration to gain congressional and UN authorization for what would be known as 'Operation Desert Storm.'

And then you have to consider all those instances in which the media DO report what is true--but they downplay it so much (running in only a few news outlets, or covered in a paragraph way down in the article, with the headline giving no indication of the contents readers might find there), they know it will do no harm to the official narrative. They leave it to more critical, discerning readers/viewers/listeners to notice these stories, confident that anyone who tries to connect some dots on their own without the guidance of the government or the corporate media will be derided as a whacko. Just remember, if the MSM hadn't reported anything damaging to the 9/11 official story, then we wouldn't have Paul Thompson's 'The Terror Timeline,' because he purposely limited his survey to those kinds of sources. AND YET, for all of that reporting, they have steadfastly upheld the official narrative of 9/11, because they have played along, pretending not to notice the many contradictions between that narrative and what they have reported. And when others DO speak up about those contradictions, then they shift from ignoring the contradictions to ridiculing and attacking those who call attention to them.

So while there are instances of secrets successfully being kept FROM the press, there are also others of them being kept BY the press, and with the help of the press.

Please do not add any more 9/11 truth posts, unless you absolutely have to and are CERTAIN that it will help out in a big way, but be careful as I'm already almost overdoing it as it is.

But when I dropped my bombshell in there about a stronger case being made against Cheney as the 9/11 Mastermind - all discussion came to an abrupt halt, as the readers pondered the implications of what I was saying. In short I won it, and it's so easy to do now.

these guys did an amazing job exposing the smug, flabby ineptitude of ABC reporters et al of the MSM ... absolutely bloody fantastic, in fact the best interview I've seen yet between 9/11 truth activists and the mainstream media. I especially liked the way these two employed modesty and self-deprecation in challenging and calling into question the reporters real motives. They completely demolished the reporters feeble platform of mock incredulity and feigned professionalism. These guys stayed remarkably cool and focused, they were right on the ball the whole way through, they successfully called the reporter on every journalistic ploy he attempted and made him look pretty stupid, I thought. I don't think this reporter expected such a drumming and he actually looked rather shaken by the end.

This video makes excellent training material for 9/11 truth activists ... study the line of questioning and examine the way Dylan and Corey respond, there's a lot to learn from this.

Dylan and Corey did an outstanding job. I want to draw everyones attention to something subtle but dangerous that I beleive was going on during the interview. I beleive the operation mockingbird asset conducting the interview was employing the following disinformation tactic during the interview:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how "sensitive they are to criticism".

He had a small amount of success using this ploy and can cobble together now an edited version of the interview which can make Dylan and Corey appear over emotional and angry. This is not a knock on them they did very well and in several instances put the Mockingbird asset back on his heals. The really important thing for all activists and organizers to learn from this is to ALWAYS document the interview on video yourself so that when they go to the editing booth and twist the words and intent of your comments to suit their propaganda campaign you have the unedited version on file to make your own follow up video about how they manipulated and distorted what you said. This video will be so valuable to use when we analyze what they air and compare it to the original. If they do anything really nasty, which in my opinion they will, we can expose what they did on a nice viral video about media lies.

Here is a video I made a while back which features ABC and their lies about the anthrax attacks:

It's a good idea to not only record the whole interview but to inform the interviewer that the whole thing will be posted unedited on the internet, which is coincidentally becoming the media of choice for an informed public. Take him on at his own game.

I agree with our sister commenter that these uncut vids are PRICELESS.
They're the whole truth and nothing but the truth in real time vs the manipulated soundbites they'll air.

Say, how did you guys get an uncut copy of your interview in the first place? I'm shocked they'd give the tapes to anyone. Thankfully for Truth, they're clueless.

These full vids are going to be seen by a zillion more viewers than their story ever will be. ABC's piece will air it only a few times, if at all. This full vid - and others from the Conference - will be viewed in perpetuity.

but you two guys managed to turn the table on him. Brilliant attempts to redirect interviewer to the real story, literally in the same room eg McIlvaine, Gage, and others.

It was clear that interviewer's focus was to link 9/11 truth with 'deranged shooter' story. All questions neatly avoided anything to do with evidence of short comings of official story, and instead asked for personal speculation.

In the end though, an amazing in person dissection of their technique, and display of how the media avoids doing their job on 9/11, and in fact, attacks the movement.

I would have a very difficult time trying to remain calm when having to deal with such an arrogant, condescending, "braindead" man like this ABC reporter. Great questions when you asked him why aren't you interviewing Collen Rowley, Bob McIlvane or Richard Gage. It's obvious that they have no intention of reporting any facts about 9/11. They are only there to promote their BS agenda and produce another hit piece.

Thank you for the work that you have done and continue to do.

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" – Edward R. Murrow

Perfect parry on every point from the Loose Change side of the table BUT the ABC reporter may be guilty of journalism ethics violations as put forth by the society:

Society of Professional Journalists. The Preamble to its Code of Ethics states:

...public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist's credibility.

Lie about the Gulf of Tonkin resulting in the death of 58,000 US Soliders. What about WTC 7 and the fact that most Americans know nothing about it, Do you think you've done your job as a reporter? What about the fact that WTC 7 was left out of the 911 report. What about William Rodriquez's testimony being left out of the report? What about Norman Minneta's testimony being left out of the report? Where are the Pentagon videos? Give me a break these guys fake their jobs as reporters! What about Valerie Plame and the lack of WMDs and 1 million Iraqi civilian deaths ever think about these things you jerks! How do you sleep ABC?

All that's keeping the 9/11 perps from a court of law (and eventually possible life prison sentences) is the corporate/ mainstream "media". At least we can identify the enemy in our midst. Goebells and "Baghdad Bob" have nothing on the combined forces of CNN/Fox/ABC/MSNBC/CBS/Huffington/Goodman/Kos etc etc

Dylan and Corey -- you two are amazing. Thank you for acting with forbearance and truth as the goal, and for calling out that sad pawn of an interviewer on his attempt to poison the well of democracy. This is so transparently his goal, it is hard to watch -- and instructive.

How can anyone sell their soul so completely as him? When faced with excellent points, he practically pretends he didn't hear them! Why did he try to tar the newspaper delivery boys (D&A) when the news they carry is what is important? (Obviously, the news is unwelcome and threatening to some perps; ironically, Dylan and Corey are doing HIS JOB - investigative journalism - for him.)

As others have pointed out, this interview was a great example in so many ways, especially for how to avoid predictable pitfalls and to let such disingenuous questioners slip in their master's mud and fall on on their own sorry asses. Repeatedly.

Spread the word. This is the best "interview" I have seen or heard with a patsy interviewer. Bring it before the eyes of the uninformed/misinformed, and I think they will finally be asking their own questions. Good ones.

If ABC doesn't ditch the footage (because it didn't quite turn out as planned), they have plenty of creative editors who can take Dylan and Korey's answers out of context to make them appear ridiculous or nonsensical, or even say things that they didn't say. Anyone with video editing capabilities can do such.... and the MSM do it all the time to 9/11 Truth spokespersons...a notorious example being the BBC in their recent 9/11 hit pieces.

We are doing the job that the cowards and weasels in the MSM should be doing. But consider who owns the consolidated corporate media (especially in the US).. and the fact that their parent or associated companies have benefitted $100s of billions from the wars and security/paranoia obsession that 9/11 "justified"... and it all comes back to the same thing, yet again... follow the money.

I especially liked your comeback to the guy's "no secrets can be kept in Washington" nonsense. How could he possibly know that for sure?

Bringing up the fact that Harry Truman did not know anything about the Manhattan project, until he took the office of president after FDR's death, stopped this obviously disingenuous reporter right in his tracks.

I thought you were quite poised and did an excellent job of showing the ridiculous nature of his questions, and telling the guy he was not doing the job he should be doing.

Has this reporter fellow ever heard of "classification", is he not aware of the penalties for revealing classified material?

How about the "State Secrets Privilege" gag order used to silence Sibel Edmonds ...

This claim made by ABC reporter that secrets can't be kept in Washington is either ignorant or more likely deceptive.

Obviously, government likes to keep secrets and there are probably plenty of secrets that have been successfully kept hidden from the public... and it certainly wouldn't be all that difficult to keep secrets from lazy, incompetent journalists.

A lot of Finns, too, think that 9/11 was a Big Lie (and we've had our share of historical false-flag events). Of course, in an international poll a year or so ago, less than 50 percent of the respondents saw 9/11 as the work of "Al-Qaida".

To see that the official 9/11 story is bogus, one only needs to understand that unprecedented highrise disasters do not begin to be investigated by first destroying all the research material (cf. NIST: "no steel was recovered from WTC 7" -- the third completely destroyed skyscraper).

Or that office fires (the final official explanation that the "we've had trouble getting a handle on Building 7" NIST gave for WTC 7 in 2008) cannot produce what matches a highly skilled controlled demolition (otherwise we'd have entered an era of inexpensive fire demolition).

Or that there can be no benign way in which the residues of military-grade nanothermite ended up in WTC dust, as detailed by an international group of scientists in Bentham's peer-reviewed journal (google "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe").

And so on and on. Qui bono? Who has profited (enormously) from the resulting "war on terror"?

Please wake up, America. And the US media: please do your job. Investigate.

Excellent comment, Vesa. I do hope though (and I say this in reply to various comments in this thread) that truth activists, and all who want to see change, recognize that these 'journalists' are indeed 'doing their job.' Given the nature of the 'news' organizations that employ them, their job is to act as the propaganda arm of the U.S. ruling class, and seeing that nothing harms its fundamental interests. The value of exchanges such as occurs in this video is that they help to expose this true nature to more and more people. They can and will, however, have no effect on this nature. They will continue exercising their function as the propaganda arm of the U.S. ruling class. Pleading with them to 'do their job' in the sense we would like them to is tantamount to asking them to quit their current employer and become an independent journalist--because that's the only way they're ever going to be able to practice journalism in the true sense.

According to their own understanding, the 'job' of the MSM is--not truth, not accountability--but rather MCM: Mass Consciousness Management.

That way you always have the original unedited version of what was actually said and in what context to beat them over the head with after they do their hatchet job in the editing room. The hat idea is great! Perhaps a few well placed buttons would be nice as well. Seriously though if you cannot get a friend to tape the interview for your own protection I recommend not giving an interview at all.

Dylan Avery and Korey Rowe performed superbly. I am humbled by the intelligence and integrity they demonstrated.

The real measure of ABC will be in how they present the interview. One great thing about the Internet is that ABC also have eyes on them. If they mutilate the interview, then we can expose their treachery - at least to those who are willing to look beyond the MSM for information. Before the advent of the Internet, the MSM could operate without themselves being observed. They could butcher interviews with impunity. Now we have an additional corrective feedback mechanism to keep them in line. Let's hope it can effectively restore integrity to the news industry.

If the interview really was conducted as a response to the "Pentagon shooter" incident, it underscores the utter derangement of the MSM. Why would it take such a tragedy to prompt the MSM to finally investigate the most important grassroots movement in America since the American Revolution? Clearly tens of millions of Americans believe that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were some kind of inside job - at least to the extent that the attacks were intentionally allowed by US government officials to happen. When one mentally ill person who happens to hold this belief commits and act of violence the MSM presents this anomalous one in tens of millions as representative. It would be like trying to show that Buddhists are serial adulterers because Tiger Woods happens to be Buddhist.

You guys have my deepest respect and gratitude.
Watching you deal with this corporate propaganda whore really made my day.
To see young men like you makes getting old a heck of a lot less sad.
Thank, you, thank you so much!!

I chuckled at that comment, because Kevin Ryan emanates tremendous caring and empathy in his ordinary demeanor anyway...and then he even put in some extra with... "I've been asked some of the stupidest, most uninformed questions (and I say that with the most compassion I can muster) by major mainstream media respresentatives."

How did they get away with 9/11?...... Because our media is bought and paid for. The story of the century and you look the other way.
Overwhelming evidence that the truth about 9/11 is
being withheld from the American people.
It's obvious this bonehead hasn't done his homework. A challenge should have been made.
Devote two weeks of prime time to all that the truth movement has uncovered, then let America decide.
Let's put this to rest once and for all. Or do nothing like you have for the past eight plus years.
And you wonder how they could get away with it?

Firstly, let me say that I've watched the above two videos somewhere around fifteen times each, studying the methods you and Dylan employed in defending your respective 9/11 truth positions against attack. Both of you were rock solid and admirably held your ground. Bravo!

However, I was particularly dismayed to learn that you and Dylan will no longer be producing future editions of Loose Change. Since I read months ago that you would be attending a primary 9/11 truth conference in Argentina, I was hoping you had gotten access to Kurt Sonnenfeld's 9/11 photos for incorporation into a new Loose Change cut.

That said, were any of the above-mentioned photos displayed at the conference? If so, what were they like? If not, what do you think about the possibility that they may reveal more about 9/11 being an inside job than is commonly known?

Good luck with your pursuit of a college degree. I hope Dylan finds much success in the video production industry and that Jason does well with the release of his next documentary, "Invisible Empire".

Sincerely,

Eloy

EDIT 03/08/2010: Sorry, Korey! Misspelled your name as "Corey" the first time this message was posted.

He says we need an investigation that turns over all the rocks--but seems to already have his mind made up that the only thing that's going to be uncovered is 'negligence' and 'failures.'

He believes the continuing 'failure' to 'fix' such problems is the reason the underwear bomber was almost successful this past December--seemingly without having the 'who benefits?' question so much as cross his mind.

In a regime where incompetence--whether perceived or actual--clearly carried no penatly whatsoever (to the contrary; David Frasca's 'failures' were positively rewarded with a promotion), that simply won't suffice as an explanation of ongoing coverup.

What further 'negligence' would be revealed by a true investigation that wasn't already reported in the weeks and months following the attacks? We're talking about a situation in which the fact that the president and his Secret Service detail sat around in a classroom while knowing attacks were taking place was exposed for all to see--with no ramifications for them whatever. Before long, the warnings to Bush in the Augst 6 PDB memo were revealed--again, with no political or legal ramifications for the Bush administration. The continuing, determined effort to keep matters covered-up and unexplored can therefore only be attributed to a need to cover-up something other than 'negligence' and 'incompetence.'

He's had to demonstrate more courage to this point than most of us will ever have to. And he's clearly articulate. Too bad he's so naive.

remember, the stakes are very high for 9/11 whistleblowers ... for someone like Shaffer, who has already sacrificed his career by exposing Able Danger, the risks associated with speaking out are enormous. We should not assume that he is naive simply because he is cautious or circumspect when it comes to expressing his views about 9/11

Wikipedia says Anthony Shaffer is still employed by the army, as an 'information' officer..

"Currently, Shaffer is a Senior Fellow, External Communications Director and Special Lecturer at the Center for Advanced Defense Studies in Washington, D.C.. He instructs classes in psychology of terrorism and intelligence analysis.
He is a partner with Evolution Performance Technology, a company based in Atlanta, GA, in addition to his consulting activities.
Lieutenant Colonel Shaffer continues to serve in the Army Reserve, and is currently assigned as the G6, Information Officer of the 94th Division (Force Sustaninment), Ft. Lee, VA."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Shaffer_%28intelligence_officer%29

Does anyone know what the painting was on the wall, above the children, some kind of skull?

I know he certainly got in trouble for speaking out on the subject of Able Danger... maybe "put his career on the line" would have been more accurate...

Personally, I don't have a problem with Shaffer's position, that he does not believe "the government" was behind 9/11. The fact is, "the government" is a catch-all phrase, a sweeping generalization ... it refers to the entirety of government agencies and departments. Obviously, they were not all involved in sponsoring 9/11. It is, therefore, not strictly correct to say "the government" was behind 9/11. A more accurate proposition would be to say that elements within government were associated with or assisted the actual sponsors of 9/11.

I think it is important to clearly and explicitly differentiate between "the government" and corrupt officials working in the government. I also think it is important to use the words "sponsors" and "sponsorship" when talking about the criminals behind 9/11, since this is the accepted terminology used when referring to the commission of covert operations... and in my opinion, 9/11 was a covert operation,

The Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms defines "covert operation" as "an operation that is so planned and executed as to conceal the identity of or permit plausible denial by the sponsor." Clearly, 9/11 fits this definition, since we don't really know and can't yet prove who actually did it..

9/11 fits the covert operation right to the letter. It would have to be in order to summon all the resources necessary to execute and cover up to the extent they find themselves doing. With Kennedy, we had only 1 frame's worth of a look into the world of CIA black ops. That's 1/30th of a second. With 9/11, the door was left open for 2.25secs. This may have been too long of a glimpse. The term "Government was behind it" has become a kind of catch all generic term but I take it to be certain people in elected or appointed positions of power. But if it was a covert operation born out of the CIA and approved by the Joint Chiefs not unlike Op. Northwoods, then it is our government. These are institutions born of and supposedly controlled by our government or is it just possibly vice versa and these are the controlling tools of our "elected leaders".

As for Col. Schaffer, if he goes around spouting the government did it, he would not have the positions he has. It wouldn't be tolerated. However, to me, anyone who just closes their mind to the notion that 9/11 was an inside job is either naive, complicit, or unable to overcome their cognitive dissonance. (the latter I think is the most common). There is far too many precedents set like Dylan says. The Tuskeegee Syphillis experiments, CIA Mind Control experiments, Op Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Lusitainia are all undisputed and well documented. If he really believes in opening a true and independent investigation that uncovers ALL the rocks, then he must be prepared to accept what we find under them even if it is complicity and to what degree that complicity extends. Its what we deserved in the first place and none of us, including him, should rest until it is done. Only then can our society move forward to its next era and what that era is to be.

"anyone who just closes their mind to the notion that 9/11 was an inside job is either naive, complicit, or unable to overcome their cognitive dissonance" the latter being the most common. Our task then, is to enlighten the naive, confront the corrupt and resolve the cognitive dissonance... no small challenge

He's covering his rear, and acting like military grades explosives weren't even there. Of course, if he did speak out, he'd ruin his military career. Still makes me sad, that they can suck parts of the soul of this man out of him, because he's put his career into the military, he can't be real anymore. He's at their mercy, so who knows? He may not be telling it exactly the way he sees it. sadly, or maybe he really is....(How dumb can you get?) Whatever, I'm glad he's on our side though. New investigation. Why wouldn't the government want to do that, Sir, Officer Schafer???

The most severe form of learning disorders are owned by those that "already know everything."

none of us really know who was behind 9/11, we all have hunches but there is no proof, that I know of, who the actual sponsors were.

Clearly, 9/11 was a covert operation. It was compartmentalized. The workers who installed the explosives may not have known they were spraying on nano-thermite, they might have been told they were upgrading fire proofing, for example... the people who hijacked the planes may have believed they were part of a drill, and we know there were hijacking drills taking place that day.

Obviously, high ranking officials were involved, but again, we cannot be sure of how much they knew or what they thought they were doing.

Now someone like Larry Silverstein almost certainly had some foreknowledge of the events, but we cannot say how much he knew, nor can we say how important his role was.

The point I'm trying to make here is we must be careful not to judge the value of individual view points or become fixated on a particular narrative or belief about what happened on 9/11 and who was behind it. We should try to keep an open mind and be prepared to scrutinize every possible angle and piece of evidence.

'The point I'm trying to make here is we must be careful not to judge the value of individual view points or become fixated on a particular narrative or belief about what happened on 9/11 and who was behind it.'

But that 's just it--it is Shaffer who seems committed to (or 'fixated on,' to use your term) the 'negligence'/ 'failures'/ 'incompetence' narrative.

To believe (as I do) that the negligence/failures/incompetence angle has long been shown to be unsatisfactory in accounting for what happened on 9/11, and should thus be rejected, does not mean that one is thereby fixated on a particular view of who was involved or how they carried things out.

There is value in Shaffer's view that Congress and the 9/11 Commission didn't do what was needed, and that personal accountability of those responsible is still important. I simply think that it would be much more helpful to the cause of truth and peace if he didn't limit his view of such responsibility as necessarily restricted to 'failures.'

Shaffer has a problem, he is fixated on the negligence narrative and he needs to broaden his perspective, no doubt about it.

The negligence/failures/incompetence angle is the most common refuge for those who suffer from cognitive dissonance caused by the notion that government could be responsible for such horrors as 9/11, despite all the evidence that governments do commit such horrors.

To reject the negligence/failures/incompetence excuse is certainly not being fixated on a particular view, quite the opposite, that's being rational, reasonable, objective and open minded, in my opinion.

I agree with you, there is value in Shaffer's view that Congress and the 9/11 Commission didn't do what was needed, and that personal accountability of those responsible is still important. And it would be much more helpful to the cause of truth and peace if he was a little more enlightened on the issue ... let's hope he gets there.

bonjour ,
we have a chance to have Anthony Shaffer with us however at the ~2.10 mark in the video he talks about the underwear bomber and I have the strong impression that he is not aware that the bomber was helped on to the plane by his indian handler :

It's a great joy for me to be involved in these events even if it's just putting up a link in this case. These are some of the most beautiful, compelling, and historic moments that I've seen in regards to all this. It's really quite an amazing situation.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chris Bury had training to embarrass those he's questioning. This wasn't normal reporting - he used brain washing techniques of the FBI or CIA. Of course someone like Chris is also insulting the person he's interviewing by using the lunatic fringe angle to characterize truthers - an objective reporter would never repeat a point over and over to the same person.