I Made Titib, a former senior official at the Department of Religion, said at a seminar in Bali on 8th December that globalization threatened great harm for Balinese Hindus.

He said the entrance of global culture into Bali would likely cause people to become disoriented, hedonistic, materialistic, and secular, and would lead to social conflicts.

Western culture was most to blame, he said, and was in opposition to eastern culture, which was more spiritual.

In theological terms, he said currently it was like the age of Kali Yuga, a kind of Dark Age, which Hindus traditionally see as one of the four stages of development that the world goes through.

Interestingly the time of Kali Yuga is said to be characterised by such things as: wiki

....even pre-teenage girls will get pregnant. The primary cause will be the social acceptance of sexual intercourse as being the central requirement of life.

It is believed that sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows only to break them soon.

...men will have lustful thoughts and so will women

There will be no respect for animals, and also meat eating will start.

People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks.

Back to I Made Titib in Bali.

He said strong and wise leadership was needed, in order that the best of western culture was taken advantage of, while the worst was kept away. India was a good example to follow, because they had learnt from western technological advances, while keeping to their unique culture, he said. tempo

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Balinese and Hindu do not expose themselves to free sex that I know of. You can get a massage girl to come to your room and offer her money for sex and they will tell you to go fly a kite. Perhaps what ‘I Made’ refers to are people who were in Bali and not of Hindu origin!

Western culture have affected lives in Bali, a new change and better outlook but not sexually obssessed when marriage does not apply to the trend.

Mass tourism and dollar (or Yen and Euro) worship has brought on a dark age for Bali’s Hindus, not globalization.
Civilization and culture can only be built on economic prosperity when people have enough means and free time to occupy themselves with other things than the bare necessities. So how come a society with a unique culture like the Balinese that has been built over more than a thousand years, suddenly needs mass tourism for its survival?

I thought the balinese beach bums were doing pretty well with women from north east asia. Why not impose bali as a vegetarian designated zone whereby tourist will have to embrace, in respect for the local customs of course. I am sure many tourist will not mind this measure, as long as booze and grass is considered vege diet.

I agree Enigmatic, the come & go rich tourists in Bali are welcome, they may stay for 1 – 4 weeks and spend the dollar whom Balinese need it for living are allright, rich people on the mood of vacation from Europe or USA will NOT influence the Hindunese & Balinese social ritual life style.
The real problems for Balinese life style is when the Islamic grassroots from the lower class society start invading Bali island from East Java, Madura, etc … those low class income want to settle to struggle for better live in Bali and bring in their totally different social ritual life style. It is the real threats for the dark age of Bali’ Hindu where sooner or later there are more mosque than Hindu temple in Bali, and Bali will soon be muslim Bali and the unique heritage tradition is disappearing …

The main question: what are culture that those cause people to become disoriented, hedonistic, materialistic, and secular, and would lead to social conflicts. Then make dark age for Balinese culture?

In fact, there were moslems bombing Bali. Factually, Indonesia Govt still do mismanagement in many areas -not only Bali. However is it true moslems who were bombing Bali make that? Is it true Indonesia Govt make it that?

Like this preposition:
The real problems for Balinese life style is when the Islamic grassroots from the lower class society start invading Bali island from East Java, Madura, etc “¦ those low class income want to settle to struggle for better live in Bali and bring in their totally different social ritual life style.

Do foreign tourist that those bring their culture torpedo Balinese culture into dark age?

Like this preposition:
Western culture have affected lives in Bali, a new change and better outlook but not sexually obssessed when marriage does not apply to the trend.

Is it true that all tourist that come to Bali are rich? How much money they spend if they go to Bali for two weeks compare if they go to Melbourne or Sidney. Don’t ask these lower level society tourist have money to go to Phuket or Hawaii? Is it true all tourist that those go to Bali like Arie Smith? And, who are they that sodomized many Balinese children? I wonder how many foreign tourist that those go to Bali like Arie Smith?

Indonesian is free country. Bali is not for Balinese. All Indonesian have a right to live anywhere in Indonesian area include in Bali. If someone says that dark age in Bali cause by lower level moslem who invading Bali, this man should better look that Islamic culture in Bali has a long story there. Hunduist Balinese and Balinese Moslems have close relation for ages. Indeed that relation has ruin by some stupid moslem.

I wonder what culture and religion background that can cause these matters in Balinese society:

“¦.even pre-teenage girls will get pregnant. The primary cause will be the social acceptance of sexual intercourse as being the central requirement of life.
It is believed that sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows only to break them soon.
“¦men will have lustful thoughts and so will women
There will be no respect for animals, and also meat eating will start.
People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks.

I really don’t believe that any single eastern culture and religion background cause Balinese culture into the dark age and also make the unique heritage tradition is disappearing. Sooner I do believe all Bali area will become another Pat Pong district.

Balinese ritual is not in any danger of losing it’s place of supreme importance for the balinese. They are addicted to it. for many Balinese ceremonies are more important than eating.
I know these rituals and the unique culture are what gives Bali it’s edge. It’s what attracts tourist dollars. But to me a lot of those rituals are just about trying to increase wealth, (by sogok Tuhan system) and also to impress the neighbours, (my banten bigger than your banten, my kebaya more fancy than yours etc.) The problem for Balinese people now is money, ignorance and Indonesian TV.
They have too much money, not enough education and they watch too much bullsh*t soapies on tv from jakarta.

The most dangerous treat are those who are seeking fortunes from Bali without paying attention to rules. In the past few years I can see kaki limas springing every where along the roads, pecel Lele, ayam bakar, soto, nasi goreng, etc. Kaki Lima supposed to be concentrated in Pasar Kaget but now we can see more along the streets. The number of Warung/rumah makan Padang is increasing fast, but better organized. May be Kali Lima is the fascination that brings tourist to Bali. Unless Bali is better managed and reform, Bali will face destruction sooner or later.

The most dangerous treat are those who are seeking fortunes from Bali without paying attention to rules.

Right. At most tourism destination in the third world those are too many persons take advantage without any attention to local culture. Local Govt still hard to find a best way to manage “kakilimas” that I believe happen throughout mostly in big city in Indonesia, not only in Bali. Compare to other city in Indonesia, Bali is still “better manage” for kakilimas, I suppose.

However, if you see rightfully, many mass products (that tag “made in Bali”) are not really made in Bali or made by Balinese. Many of them come from East Java. Tourism in Bali has give many benefit to peoples in Java, not only people in Bali. So, it was make many peoples in Java (include Moslems) disappointed too as Balinese did when heard a lunatic moslem bombed himself in Bali.

There is an idiom at most tourism destination all over the world that those to make succeed which is SUN SAND and SEX. In all area tourism destination in Indonesia, most tourist can get easily SUN and SAND. But, there are only plenty tourism site in Indonesia that serve SEX. I think Bali is one of tourist destination that serve SEX even still prohibited as open operation. And, I don’t believe low level Moslems that struggle to make living in Bali even their have totally different ritual religion to Hinduist cause ANIMALS BEHAVIOR such as:

“¦.even pre-teenage girls will get pregnant. The primary cause will be the social acceptance of sexual intercourse as being the central requirement of life.
It is believed that sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows only to break them soon.
“¦men will have lustful thoughts and so will women
There will be no respect for animals, and also meat eating will start.
People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks.

If someone think that Indonesia national tv cause Balinese culture to dark age, I wonder she spend most time to watch Bali TV. Balinese are proud of their language and culture. National TV is less viewer in Bali compare to Balinese Local TV. That happen too in print media and radio. So if she think soap opera in National TV jeopardy Balinese culture, it seem very stupid coz she doesn’t know Balinese peoples.

Obviously there are some tourist that call white monkeys that jeopardy Balinese culture. With their animals “crocodile dundee” behavior which bring to Bali in several weeks make Balinese traditional behavior suffer. I wonder how much money they spend in Bali for two or three weeks? Compare if they go “happy hour” in Sydney, Canberra, or Melbourne. I really don’t think this white monkeys have plenty of money and gut get vocation to Paris, Acapulco, or Hawaii. They go to Bali because its cheap and can easily take SUN SAND and SEX (even they get from underage boy and girl).

Balinese are never having problem with money, ignorance, or Indonesian National TV sinetron. The main cause of what that those cause Balinese peoples to become disoriented, hedonistic, materialistic, and secular, and would lead to social conflicts, is what that white monkeys animals “crocodile dundee” behavior that bring to Bali. Indeed, they bring their ignorance and stupidity bushes village peoples with them that they show off everyday in Bali. They think they can make the Great Bali as a zoo like in their hometown. Then somehow and someday its make dark age for Balinese culture, I believe, that white monkeys never paying attention to Balinese rules and/or Indonesian rules.

So listen this song my Balinese friends: Kembalikan Baliku Padaku a song by Guruh Sukarno Putra. I recall this song has published at early 80’s. I wonder what will be happen to Balinese culture for the next 10 years.

If someone think that Indonesia national tv cause Balinese culture to dark age, I wonder she spend most time to watch Bali TV. Balinese are proud of their language and culture. National TV is less viewer in Bali compare to Balinese Local TV. That happen too in print media and radio. So if she think soap opera in National TV jeopardy Balinese culture, it seem very stupid coz she doesn’t know Balinese peoples.

Well actually, this white monkey has been getting complaints about the tv from the balinese themselves… they are complaining about the affect on their children…. so many balinese kids are terroising their parents, demanding motor bikes and hand phones, or they won’t go to school. the young guys won’t work, the only thing they’ll deen to do is pick grandma up from the rice fields on the new motorbike after she has done toiling for the day.

Ade wanto, it’s handy to be able to play the blame game, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Plenty of places in bali never see tourists, in the remote villages… they still have the same social problems…. good try though.

Plenty of places in bali never see tourists, in the remote villages”¦ they still have the same social problems”¦. good try though.

The question is what’s happen in area such Kuta and Legian that most White Monkeys are crowd? These:

“¦.even pre-teenage girls will get pregnant. The primary cause will be the social acceptance of sexual intercourse as being the central requirement of life.
It is believed that sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows only to break them soon.
“¦men will have lustful thoughts and so will women
There will be no respect for animals, and also meat eating will start.
People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks.

I think all foreigners who visit Indonesia must learn to respect other culture and do not making Bali (and other tourism destination in Indonesia) as same as their “village” is the main key to prevent Balinese (and Indonesian). I wonder if those White Monkeys respect Balinese (and Indonesian) culture, all negative impact of tourism industry will be eliminated.

But, what should I say, those White Monkeys, I believe, even they come from Western society still lack of education and manner. So they bring their animals culture to Bali (and Indonesia). I really don’t believe those White Monkeys are as same level society as Russel Crowe or Rupert Murdoch.

If they are number 1 or 2 (upper class society) in their country I believe they go to America and Western Europe or spend in Nusa Dua which cost US$ 10.000 a night. If they number 3 or 4 (upper middle) they go to Japan, South Korean, Arab Emirates, Greece. For no 5 or 6 (middle) they go to Sydney to attend Opera House. The rest go to Bali to get nirvana at cheapest price and take pub roll every night for just A$ 50. So, I don’t invite the blame game.

If they are number 1 or 2 (upper class society) in their country I believe they go to America and Western Europe or spend in Nusa Dua which cost US$ 10.000 a night. If they number 3 or 4 (upper middle) they go to Japan, South Korean, Arab Emirates, Greece. For no 5 or 6 (middle) they go to Sydney to attend Opera House. The rest go to Bali to get nirvana at cheapest price and take pub roll every night for just A$ 50. So, I don’t invite the blame game.

yeah, and so you’re trying to say, big bucks means big morals? I’m not playing the blame game either…. tourisim for sure has a negative impact in some ways, but balinese don’t really copy westerners, they get pregnant to balinese, (as teenagers often!) they watch indonesian tv, see handphones, cars, a lifestyle (pseudo Indonesian modern lifestlye which only exists in cinetron or higher levels of urban indonesian society) and they want that. They have money due to tourisim. They don’t want to live a western life, they want a balinese life with jakarta attributes.
How many balinese parents are telling us of their kids who refuse to go to school if they don’t get a motorbike, or threaten to kill themselves because their parents won’t buy them a handphone? So many! It’s starts when they are little, getting money from their parents to buy junk at the warung…. their teeth rot, but to the parents the problem is if they don’t give in to them they cry….. cause all the other kids are getting it…. we can’t have them crying now can we? Rotten teeth are not important.

ade wanto said:
If they are number 1 or 2 (upper class society) in their country I believe they go to America and Western Europe or spend in Nusa Dua which cost US$ 10.000 a night. If they number 3 or 4 (upper middle) they go to Japan, South Korean, Arab Emirates, Greece. For no 5 or 6 (middle) they go to Sydney to attend Opera House. The rest go to Bali to get nirvana at cheapest price and take pub roll every night for just A$ 50

And ade wanto is going to Iraq to buy Dinars to be sold to unsuspecting Indonesians with a promise that 1 Dinar will be equal to one US $ one day, and he is going to sell deep fryer in Iraq, and try to make a seminar on “anthuriums” in Baghdad ………………………… 😀 lol.

Sigh… Speaking as a White Monkey, no offense taken Brown Monkeys, you really need to understand your own tourism industry!

Bali is a world reknowned destination and has been for decades. People go there because it is exotic and the particular Balinese culture plays a large part in that. From Australia, it is relatively cheap (due to being relatively close compared to Europe, the US and the rest of Asia) but has fallen from favour as a result of the bombings. No doubt it will get back due to the governments long overdue Visit Indonesia initiative in 2008.

There are resorts of all levels from the top end places at Nusa Dua to scungy fleapits in Kuta attracting surfie yobbos. Most of the White Monkeys sucking beer in Kuta are trying to get into the pants of their fellow White Monkeys – if you take the trouble to observe rather than rant and generalize. Hardly any are trying to pull Indo girls. The language barrier is pretty high.

There are heaps of families in Sanur, lots of trendies in Seminyak, eco-tourism is starting up in the more remote parts of the island. There are over a hundred scuba diving shops. To reduce all visitors to Bali to cheapskate low class drunken sex tourists is just plain ignorant. Most are normal people (of various social levels) spending their hard earned money on a vacation doing various things whether is be arts and crafts at Ubud, elephant rides, water fun park, surfing or scuba diving at Tulumben, Bali has a pile of attractions in a very compact area.

As to the West and Sex and Bali becoming a place where teenagers get pregnant. That is a global problem and it is largely due to Western values of sexual liberation which are rapidly being adopted in Asia. Such values are a threat to traditional belief systems which are largely about male control over the bodies of women and ensuring that male priests get paid lots of money for useless ceremonies.

Such beliefs deserve to enter the trash can of history in my humble opinion.

but balinese don’t really copy westerners, they get pregnant to balinese, (as teenagers often!) they watch indonesian tv, see handphones, cars, a lifestyle (pseudo Indonesian modern lifestlye which only exists in cinetron or higher levels of urban indonesian society) and they want that

Do not forget that the pseudo Indonesian lifestyle is the result of copying of the westerners/Hollywood lifestyle, of course the copy result would not as clear as the original one. However, if you reverse the investigation, it is a crystal clear that all Havoc of the worlds mostly is originated by the westerner lifestyle and the westerner civilization project.

perseus Says: Sigh”¦ Speaking as a White Monkey, no offense taken Brown Monkeys, you really need to understand your own tourism industry!

There are two kind of monkeys in Bali. Brown Monkeys that guarding puras. And, White Monkeys that ruin Balinese culture. That’s really obvious.

perseus Says: As to the West and Sex and Bali becoming a place where teenagers get pregnant. That is a global problem and it is largely due to Western values of sexual liberation which are rapidly being adopted in Asia.

Yes, indeed. But, the question still remain which culture that make Balinese:

.even pre-teenage girls will get pregnant. The primary cause will be the social acceptance of sexual intercourse as being the central requirement of life.
It is believed that sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows only to break them soon.
“¦men will have lustful thoughts and so will women
There will be no respect for animals, and also meat eating will start.
People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks.

Who is the possible culture that make Balinese suffer? Moslem that build many mosque in Bali? Some lunatic Indonesian Moslems that bombed Bali? Indonesian TV? Or what?

Subrata Says: And ade wanto is going to Iraq to buy Dinars to be sold to unsuspecting Indonesians with a promise that 1 Dinar will be equal to one US $ one day, and he is going to sell deep fryer in Iraq, and try to make a seminar on “anthuriums” in Baghdad “¦”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦”¦ 😀 lol.

your neighbor.
Indah D9.

I realize this is still internet thus everyone could be anybody. For me, it will be better to declare myself coz I don’t have anything to hide. Even if all my post ill others, I will take full responsibility coz I believe grown people can swallow my post even painful.

I realize this is still internet thus everyone could be anybody. For me, it will be better to declare myself coz I don’t have anything to hide. Even if all my post ill others, I will take full responsibility coz I believe grown people can swallow my post even painful.

Even pre-teenage girls will get pregnant. The primary cause will be the social acceptance of sexual intercourse as being the central requirement of life.

This is the underlying cause of the Clash of Civilizations. Westerners put their faith in orgasms not prayers. Orgasms feel better. Prayer does not stand a chance unless some prophet genius finds a way to link these ecstatsies again 🙂

It is believed that sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows only to break them soon.
“¦men will have lustful thoughts and so will women

If you think sex is sinful then sin will increse exponentially.

I don’t think sex is sinful at all. Most Westerners see sex as a right these days, not a gift from God to be enjoyed with a strict single-user license within marriage… Though even within the so-called decadent West a majority would aspire to some sort of long-term committed monogamy.

There will be no respect for animals, and also meat eating will start.

Only a problem if you are vegetarian, which Muslims and Westerners generally are not.

People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks.

True. Introduce alcohol (or tobacco) and a percentage of people will become alcoholics or die of lung cancer.

However, if you want a quick reason why the West is better than traditional society in terms of creativity and therefore technical/military innovation and therefore power/wealth (these all go together). Then sex and drugs and freedom generally (and freedom of expression particularly) pretty well sum it up.

Creativity is a major cause of wealth/power generation. Traditional thinking tends to stifle it or channel it into well worn rituals. If you want to stay poor, stay traditional. Your choice…

There are advantages to the traditional life. There are disadvantages too.

If you think sex is sinful then sin will increse exponentially. I don’t think sex is sinful at all.

Why should sex be even thought of as being sinful or not being sinful? One can even sin or not sin by not even having the actual carnal pleasure (sex).

Only a problem if you are vegetarian, which Muslims and Westerners generally are not.

Would it be NOT a problem if one is a vegetarian and therefore a problem for Muslims and Westerners who generally are not (vegetarians)?

Traditional thinking tends to stifle it or channel it into well worn rituals. If you want to stay poor, stay traditional. Your choice”¦

What is the basis for that rationale?

What has traditional thinking got to do with stifling creativity? Unless you meant conservative thinking? And even by saying conservative thinking does not reason out too well.
There are people in this world who are considered traditional or conservative by their behaviour or culture but they are not poor.
Poverty is not borne out of being culturally or mentally traditional/conservative.

Poverty is caused by lack of education or skill or experience or intelligence or health or handicaps or age or discrimination (race, sex, religion, etc.,) or inadequate non-poverty employment opportunities or inadequate overall demand and low national income (in terms of economics – macro problems, macro policy), wars, famine, natural disasters, colonial history, centralisation of power, inherited poverty, corruption and so on.

I don’t see the Clash of Civilization come from difference between traditionalist and modernist. As Huntington says it come from cultural differences between Western and Eastern particularly between Moslem and Non Moslem. That those Huntington theory make Bush Administrative make war to many Islamic country.

perseus Says :

However, if you want a quick reason why the West is better than traditional society in terms of creativity and therefore technical/military innovation and therefore power/wealth (these all go together). Then sex and drugs and freedom generally (and freedom of expression particularly) pretty well sum it up.

I don’t see that West is better than traditional society in all aspect of life. And, I really don’t see any relation between sex freedom and creativity. In what way that West society that those have sex freedom more creative than other society that those forbid sex freedom? In finding HIV/AIDS medicine or what? I advice you to read history about penicillin and freedom of sex movement. It takes 600 years before human find a right medicine to cure syphilis. Before penicillin was found your dick will be amputate if you got gonorrhea.

perseus Says :

Creativity is a major cause of wealth/power generation.

Indeed creativity make better life. But, I don’t see that creativity in traditionals society make them suffer or poor. Indonesian particularly Balinese have many traditions creativity that attract many foreigners. I believe many tourists go to Bali to see that creativities.

perseus Says :

I don’t think sex is sinful at all. Most Westerners see sex as a right these days, not a gift from God to be enjoyed with a strict single-user license within marriage”¦ Though even within the so-called decadent West a majority would aspire to some sort of long-term committed monogamy.

I observe, as you say so, even in the West a majority would aspire to some sort of long-term committed monogamy, that those many evidences that cheat is a “right” too. And, obviously your statement that those make Balinese culture and all East culture go to the dark age and suffer. And, I believe foreigner tourist that call White Monkeys that bring their West culture make:

even pre-teenage girls will get pregnant. The primary cause will be the social acceptance of sexual intercourse as being the central requirement of life.
It is believed that sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows only to break them soon.
“¦men will have lustful thoughts and so will women
There will be no respect for animals, and also meat eating will start.
People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks.