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The Ike And Ron Davis Review

On Saturday, July 29, 1978, with Bob Lemon having gotten six unexpectedly good innings out of Ken Clay and the Yankees leading the Twins 7-1 at Yankee Stadium, Lemon thought it was a good time to break the new kid in.

He had been obtained from the Cubs a month before in the repatriation of Ken Holtzman to Wrigley Field, and had dazzled in AA at West Haven. He was greeted by Minnesota catcher Butch Wynegar, who walked. Hosken Powell followed with a single. Roy Smalley then walked. I was there, but my scorecard is stored somewhere, so I don’t know if he actually threw any strikes before Lemon came and got him, and – in a move that would presage 1979, 1980, and 1981 – Rich Gossage was summoned to clean up the mess.

The next day, in my capacity as part-time free-lance semi-pro not-real-good photographer, I posed the kid on the field in the Bronx. “I guess you better get the picture before they get rid of me,” he said with a laugh that didn’t disguise his discouragement. I told him that he was 22 and I was 19 and even if neither of us was still in the majors the next day, he’d be back – and I’d never get there. That cheered him up.

I think they did send him back the next day, or soon thereafter. His next appearance in the majors was in September. The next year, amid an otherwise horrible season in New York, he’d go 14-2 (all in relief) with nine saves, and he’d stay in the majors through 1988.

His name was Ron Davis, and hours from when I write this his son Ike will debut, also in New York, also (almost) directly from AA. Wish I could be there.

THE METS AND NO-HITTERS:

Got asked a great question on twitter about any kind of theory that could even partially explain why, after Ubaldo Jimenez’s gem, the Mets could remain one of the franchises that has no no-hitters to its credit. Suddenly the light bulb turned on.

Years ago, one of the Stats Inc guys did a wonderful analysis of the amount of fair and foul territory in current and historical parks – I’ll have to find the book. But the gist was, the amount of fair territory in which hits could drop in the Mets’ first home (The Polo Grounds) was enormous (centerfield was nearly 500 feet away from the plate). In Shea it was still pretty damn big, and in Citifield, it is, especially when measured against other new parks, proportionately just as bad as at Shea.

That might be one explanation. Interestingly, if my list is complete, there were only five no-hitters ever thrown at the “last” Polo Grounds (Rube Marquard, Earl Caldwell, Jess Barnes, Carl Hubbell, and Rex Barney) over 69 seasons (57 by the Giants, 2 by the Mets, 10 by the Yankees) and only two (Jim Bunning, Bob Moose) in the 45 at Shea.

UPDATE, 5:30 EDT: Just to clarify, obviously this would only explain half of the Mets’ no-hit drought. One might wonder if years of pitching inside a big-fair-territory-area might influence how the same pitchers would throw in road parks, but lord knows there isn’t any stat to measure that.

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The Rockies did it on the road, but weren’t they no hit at home? The DamnedDodgers & Nomo, I think…

Years later, am still kicking myself that I missed Ryan’s next-to-last no hitter in Oakland. As if a fever and laryngitis is any excuse not to haul over to Oaktown on public transit & home again to Marin at night!

Have there been any one or two hitters thrown at Shea by Mets pitchers? Assuming there were, and if there is data to show where those hits landed (seeing-eye single through the hole vs. a screamer to the power alley), maybe that could help answer the question? Sorry, I’m not much of a baseball analyst or I’d attempt to answer the question myself. :(

Hard to believe, that with all the great pitching the Mets have had over the years, none of them have twirled a no-no. Baseball is a funny game.

On the subject of ballparks having causal relationships with no-hitters:
Johnny Vander Meer”s second no-hitter on 6/15/1938 was the first night game at Ebbets Field. Perhaps sub-optimal vectoring of the lighting played a role in the outcome?

Listening to SNY’s Mets broadcast yesterday, I learned an interesting fact that Ron Davis holds the record for most consecutive strikeouts by a reliever with 8. Then I realized that this record may stand for quite some time as most relievers never face 8 batters anymore with specialists taking over…just my thoughts.
Regarding the Mets and their inability to throw a no hitter throughout their existance, I less inclined to think that it has anything to do with the ballpark and just due to the makeup of the team. People forget that its not just the pitcher who can make or break a no hitter. The defense has much to do with it as well. If you look at the site mentioned above (www.nonohitters.com/onehitters) you can see that of the Mets 31 one hitters, most of them were at home. If the ballpark was the reason for not having a no-no, then you would surmise that there would be more one hitters away from home, due to “more favorable” ballparks. Also, Jimmy1920 – “having gotten” was used properly in Keith’s blog

Keith, why are you saying that 2 no-hitters were thrown by Mets at the Polo Grounds when you know–and that’s the point of the posting–that no Met pitcher has ever thrown a no-hitter anywhere?

The Mets have had plenty of pitchers who threw them after leaving (Seaver, Gooden, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan and Ryan to name a few) and others who had thrown them before (Leiter, maybe Spahn, Saberhagen or Viola, not sure, not looking it up now) but none while wearing the orange and blue.

The Mets have had plenty of pitchers who threw them after leaving (Seaver, Gooden, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan and Ryan to name a few) and others who had thrown them before (Leiter, maybe Spahn, Saberhagen or Viola, not sure, not looking it up now) but none while wearing the orange and blue. Grain Flour Mill

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