tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post2292166856988017926..comments2016-12-07T01:46:17.403-08:00Comments on HARDCORE ZEN: BETTER WAY, DENGUE FEVER, VEGETARIANISM, INTERVIEWSBrad Warnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13273179722564495744noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-61157027528128998482008-08-11T15:24:00.000-07:002008-08-11T15:24:00.000-07:00Check it: being veg will NOT contribute "as little...Check it: being veg will NOT contribute "as little suffering to the universe as possible". Death and suffering are and inescapable part of existence and vegetarians cause animal suffering just a do omnivores. Sorry folk, I'm sure the truth hurts, and in all likelihood you wont be able to hear this:<BR/><BR/>http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.htmlMaximus Lewinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11286821124058073803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-40231494443326798052008-02-17T14:15:00.000-08:002008-02-17T14:15:00.000-08:00UghI'm just sayin'<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080217/ap_on_bi_ge/slaughterhouse_abuse" REL="nofollow">Ugh</A><BR/><BR/>I'm just sayin'aumeyehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01276658115780033650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-49841111160835984752008-02-17T11:39:00.000-08:002008-02-17T11:39:00.000-08:00My 2 cents.I don't eat meat because it stopped fee...My 2 cents.<BR/><BR/>I don't eat meat because it stopped feeling right. A plate full of chicken bones at El Pollo Loco would especially weird me out. <BR/><BR/>Every once in a while I do eat some meat just to make sure I am not hung up on being a vegerian.<BR/><BR/>It appears to be organic in my case and not because someone told me too.<BR/><BR/>After owning a dog and seeing it's moods, I do feel bad for the way the pigs and cows are treated - don't wish to contribute to that.<BR/><BR/>Also, why don't we eat dogs? When I pet my Lab, I can feel there are some choice steaks under that fur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-21093668815788903982008-02-16T21:52:00.000-08:002008-02-16T21:52:00.000-08:00Please ask her how most porn stars manageto avoid ...<I>Please ask her how most porn stars manage<BR/>to avoid getting STDs without using condoms.</I><BR/><BR/>According to former porn star and uber-computer-geek and 'net maven Asia Carrera, ALL American porn stars who work for above-board companies are required to submit to a DNA/PCR test before being allowed to work.<BR/><BR/>Unlike a test for HIV anti-bodies, a DNA/PCR test will conclusively and immediately tell whether a person has the HIV virus. Unfortunately, DNA/PCR tests are expensive ($300 - full STD screen $600) and only a porn star can deduct them as business expenses!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-33435034380291768972008-02-16T21:37:00.000-08:002008-02-16T21:37:00.000-08:00max said:Laziness is the cause of meat consumption...max said:<BR/><I>Laziness is the cause of meat consumption among the contemporary Buddhist community and the guilt of lazy individuals causes them to pick apart the path of vegetarians and vegans.</I><BR/><BR/>Gee, there's no judgmental elitism in <I>that</I> statement, is there ? [rolls eyes].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-15565653551590587792008-02-16T21:35:00.000-08:002008-02-16T21:35:00.000-08:00max wrote:. . . tricking me into eating meat woul...max wrote:<BR/><I>. . . tricking me into eating meat would be a very quick way to make me end a relationship. . . something like that would make me question the legitimacy of my current teacher. Only an ignorant ass would ever do something like that.</I><BR/><BR/>. . . And such a teacher would be glad to be rid of you. If you aren't open to the lesson, then the teacher can teach you no more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-58712219036302319852008-02-16T10:04:00.000-08:002008-02-16T10:04:00.000-08:00Smoggyrob said..."My take on the sutras are that t...Smoggyrob said...<BR/>"My take on the sutras are that they're all bogus..."<BR/><BR/>Not bogus, but <A HREF="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/folklore" REL="nofollow">Folklore</A>.<BR/><BR/>Folklore - handed down for 10 generations (300 years) and then formalized. (e.g. "This, I have heard..."<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://taimur.sarangi.info/2006/08/28/a-buddhist-text/" REL="nofollow">This I have heard. At one time the Sublime One dwelt at Savatthi, in the Forest of Triumph, in the garden Anathapindikos.</A>Mysterionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12649237112389489841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-3638067893745041002008-02-16T08:01:00.000-08:002008-02-16T08:01:00.000-08:00"The Lanka was composed between 240 BCE and 94 BCE..."The Lanka was composed between 240 BCE and 94 BCE. It is almost entirely Hindu "there is not one living being that... has not been your mother, or father, or brother, or sister, or son... and when acquiring another form of life... as a beast, as a domestic animal..." "<BR/><BR/>In my commentary to the Lankavatara the scholar even suggests that the vegetarian passage has been added in by someone else. It is clearly different to the rest of the scripture, that is all but dogmatic.<BR/><BR/>--IceBucketAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-79860799695711810962008-02-15T20:34:00.000-08:002008-02-15T20:34:00.000-08:00Who cares if someone else eats meat. Buddhist mor...Who cares if someone else eats meat. Buddhist morals do not point outward, they point in.<BR/><BR/>The question is; <BR/><BR/>Do you eat meat and why?ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02658328428941361254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-13164681504424163432008-02-15T18:51:00.000-08:002008-02-15T18:51:00.000-08:00Hi everyone:Very interesting posts, my thanks to a...Hi everyone:<BR/><BR/>Very interesting posts, my thanks to all of you. My take on the sutras are that they're all bogus, written long after the fact by dumb-shits like you and me. That's not to say that they're not useful or interesting, they can be. I pay particular notice to three writers: Dogen, Nishijima, and Warner. <BR/><BR/>I don't cotton to the literal rebirth in the Lanka snippet above, but I still find something useful there. I may not think it's because the cow and I were bros at some point, but the cow and I are no more separate from each other than are either of us are from everything else, including rocks, water, and air. It's all one big cosmic stew, dude.<BR/><BR/>RobSmoggyrobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16508713087684583438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-19841634053331297442008-02-15T18:10:00.000-08:002008-02-15T18:10:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mysterionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12649237112389489841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-21972659704123088412008-02-15T17:35:00.000-08:002008-02-15T17:35:00.000-08:00"a lady asked me about Buddhism and Veg. I answere...<I>"a lady asked me about Buddhism and Veg. I answered that the Buddha never mentioned it,"</I><BR/><BR/>Jinzang is correct. Different scriptures say different things. What you say here is only true if you do not regard the mahayana sutras as genuine. (They may not be, I'm not suggesting they are)<BR/><BR/>The Lanka is pretty clear in it's condemnation of meat-eating:<BR/> <BR/><B>"For innumerable reasons, Mahamati, the Bodhisattva, whose nature is compassion, is not to eat any meat; I will explain them: Mahamati, in this long course of transmigration here, there is not one living being that, having assumed the form of a living being, has not been your mother, or father, or brother, or sister, or son, or daughter, or the one or the other, in various degrees of kinship; and when acquiring another form of life may life as a beast, as a domestic animal, as a bird, or as a womb-born, or as something standing in some relationship to you; [this being so] how can the Bodhisattva-Mahasattva who desires to approach all living beings as if they were himself and to practise the Buddha-truths, eat the flesh of any living being that is of the same nature as himself? Even, Mahamati, the Rakshasa, listening to the Tathagata's discourse on the highest essence of the Dharma, attained the notion of protecting [Buddhism], and, feeling pity, refrains from eating flesh; how much more those who love the Dharma! Thus, Mahamati, wherever there is the evolution of living beings, let people cherish the thought of kinship with them, and, thinking that all beings are to be loved as if they were an only child, let them refrain from eating meat. So with Bodhisattvas whose nature is compassion, [the eating of meat] is to be avoided by him."</B> <BR/><BR/>RatboyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-31932839705468748422008-02-15T17:05:00.000-08:002008-02-15T17:05:00.000-08:00Jinzang sed...Different scriptures say different t...Jinzang sed...<BR/>Different scriptures say different things.<BR/><BR/>Yep. That's why wou have to look seriously at the Kalama Sutta.<BR/><BR/>Essentially, Gotauma Siddhartha said: It's about you deciding - based on learning, teaching, and interaction. Beyond that, consider:<BR/><BR/>“Now suppose a cutting of sugar cane or seed of grape, or perhaps a grain of rice is planted in moist soil. Whatever sustenance it derives from the earth and water, all that promotes its sweetness and good flavor. Why is that? Because <B>the nature of the source</B> is correct. <BR/><BR/>Even so, brethren, consider a person of right view, right thinking, speech, action, livelihood, effort, mindfulness, concentration, right knowledge and detachment. Whatever exercise of body he brings to completion, whatever thought he carries through in speech, whatever intention, aspiration, resolve or other mental activities he may have—these all conduce to what is pleasant and not painful, to what is delightful, charming and profitable. Why is that? Because, brethren, his nature is right.<BR/><BR/>Nowhere can you cover up your sin, <BR/>Your own self (bodhi nature) knows what is true and false. You scorn the noble conscience (third eye), Thinking to hide your evil self From the self who witnessed it.<BR/><BR/>Anguttara Nikaya 3.40Mysterionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12649237112389489841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-30864234040270256242008-02-15T16:29:00.000-08:002008-02-15T16:29:00.000-08:00I answered that the Buddha never mentioned it, but...<I>I answered that the Buddha never mentioned it, but that his cousin Devadatta tried to win the sangha over by advocating it, strictly, which the B refused.</I><BR/><BR/>Different scriptures say different things. The Vinaya says that the ordained can eat meat if it's "pure in four respects" -- basically, not killed for your sake. But there are some Mahayana scriptures that advocate strict vegetarianism.<BR/><BR/>The core of the pratimoksha, the Buddhist moral code, is not harming others. Our modern factory farming system is enormously cruel to animals. We shouldn't close our eyes to this and should do what we can to change it or at least not participate in it.Jinzanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04155467948613318531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-52965629855787405502008-02-15T15:03:00.000-08:002008-02-15T15:03:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mysterionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12649237112389489841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-85995550961586166192008-02-15T13:21:00.000-08:002008-02-15T13:21:00.000-08:00In the eighteenth century a movement in the defens...In the eighteenth century a movement in the defense of Servetus rose again with the plea made by <B>Voltaire</B> against Calvin by publishing a detailed exposition of the trial. The French Revolution brought a new vigor to the ideas of religious freedom and <B>a number of writers condemned Calvin</B> and wrote panegyrics on Servetus.SEBASTIAN CASTELLIO alsohttp://www.socinian.org/castellio.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-7634249914517864932008-02-15T13:04:00.000-08:002008-02-15T13:04:00.000-08:00Calvin quickly put together and published, in 1554...Calvin quickly put together and published, in 1554, a justification, Defensio orthodoxae fidei, contra prodigiosos errores Michaelis Serveti Hispani (Defense of Orthodox Faith against the Prodigious Errors of the Spaniard Michael Servetus). He argued that to spare Servetus would have been to endanger the souls of many. In the same year Calvin was answered by Sebastian Castellio, in Contra libellum Calvini (Against Calvin's Booklet). Castellio declared that "to kill a man is not to protect a doctrine; it is but to kill a man. When the Genevans killed Servetus, they did not defend a doctrine; they but killed a man."Sebastian Castelliohttp://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/michaelservetus.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-44946421425567707802008-02-15T12:04:00.000-08:002008-02-15T12:04:00.000-08:00People are not by nature inclined to love God with...People are not by nature inclined to love God with their whole heart, mind, or strength, but rather all are inclined to serve their own interests over those of their neighbor and to reject the rule of God. Thus, all people by their own faculties are morally unable to choose to follow God and be saved because they are unwilling to do so out of the necessity of their own natures.john calvinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-3193264387772575202008-02-15T12:01:00.000-08:002008-02-15T12:01:00.000-08:00regarding government control of drugs: Here, in t...regarding government control of drugs: Here, in the USA, the government doesn't want us to buy prescribed drugs under 'free and open competition' (e.g. from Canada). Also, despite the great value in <A HREF="http://www.crrh.org/cannabis/industrial.html" REL="nofollow">cannabis for biodiesel</A> and plant fiber, the government (actually corporate tobacconists) is afraid someone will dry a leaf, roll it up, and smoke it. Industrial cannabis does NOT a good smoke make.<BR/><BR/>The Bushies seem to be, unfortunately, the kind of people who need to monitor hundreds of thousands of telephone lines and <A HREF="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/05/swire-black-boxes/" REL="nofollow">computer networks</A>.carl_rovehttp://www.hannity.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-19585957363123351942008-02-15T11:09:00.000-08:002008-02-15T11:09:00.000-08:00The other day (two weeks ago) I gave a teisho in M...The other day (two weeks ago) I gave a teisho in Milan, and a lady asked me about Buddhism and Veg. I answered that the Buddha never mentioned it, but that his cousin Devadatta tried to win the sangha over by advocating it, strictly, which the B refused. <BR/>I told her that vegetarianism was highly counter-indicated in the Great North (try convincing Inuit that they need to be vegans...) and that being mindful to what one ate was probably much more sensible.<BR/>She kind of looked like one who has a cause to fight for.<BR/><BR/>MxlYudonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-65766363918620050382008-02-15T10:08:00.000-08:002008-02-15T10:08:00.000-08:00Anonymous said..."What is behind the desire to con...Anonymous said...<BR/>"What is behind the desire to control the lives of others?"<BR/><BR/>It is <B>the overreaching of social control of others</B> that points to a serious personality disorder. John Calvin had it - in spades. This type of person needs psychological or psychiatric therapy and/or isolation. In their own way, these people <B>are</B> social isolates - and not in the monastic sense of the word. They are all alone in a crowded room. These tend to be, unfortunately, people who waste their entire lives worrying that somewhere somebody is having a good time.<BR/><BR/>Many fear Zen because Zen teaches control of self and detachment from the control of others. It is the opposite of Calvinism.Mysterionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12649237112389489841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-40303615321966105322008-02-15T09:35:00.000-08:002008-02-15T09:35:00.000-08:00What is behind the desire to controlthe lives of o...What is behind the desire to control<BR/>the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lives_of_others" REL="nofollow">lives</A> of <A HREF="http://www.sonyclassics.com/thelivesofothers/swf/index.html" REL="nofollow">others</A>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-82898184000325752922008-02-15T09:18:00.000-08:002008-02-15T09:18:00.000-08:00Apropos of mysterion's view that sexcan be used fo...Apropos of mysterion's view that sex<BR/>can be used for mind control, so too<BR/>can drugs, or the lack thereof...<BR/><BR/>"These drugs appear to be prohibited by the government because they permit users to see that the world is not composed of a single point of view, a single concrete reality shared by all. The way each of us interacts with the world is a function of our internal brain chemistry, which is unique to each of us, and can be altered by our own choice or by imposed choices. The government seeks to impose its answer to the choice of whether or not to view reality in certain ways."<BR/><BR/>-- <A HREF="http://www.toad.com/gnu/" REL="nofollow">John Gilmore</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-36579344392295308722008-02-15T02:17:00.000-08:002008-02-15T02:17:00.000-08:00Yes, there are even some violent vegans who even p...Yes, there are even some violent vegans who even put animals above humans so much that while they despise killing of animals they would accept to kill humans for this higher goal (vegan world).<BR/><BR/>I recall reading an interview about the Vietnam war and why Buddhists sometimes did not join certain protests. Many felt that the anger and aggression against those who started the war are just as bad and that this escalated the problems.<BR/><BR/>BeckyBeckynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17340756.post-27544015175157697322008-02-14T23:42:00.000-08:002008-02-14T23:42:00.000-08:00I can understand the natural partners suicide girl...I can understand the natural partners suicide girls and peta make. There is something about the public display of beauteous young girls strutting their poses their way--"no one can tell me what is sexy! I say when, and how I show you what is sexy--"<BR/>which seems to form a natural alliance with those who champion the cause of the caged and the mistreated animals who have found themselves in certain unfortunate circumstances among humans<BR/><BR/>Anyway I hope the event went well,<BR/>that new friends were found<BR/>that any food served was to everyone's liking<BR/>and that no animals were harmed during the course of the eventAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com