Dear Rosie, Douglas, et al.,
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Evidently the Weyland family in fact had established rights in Ireland, to which Sir Thomas was heir, but over which there was some dispute. Sir Thomas had (according to Copinger) inherited the Suffolk manors of the family
at Brandeston, Westerfield & c. from his elder brother William, who d. in 1274 (shortly after their father, Sir John). This is the first indication I have seen of such a connection between the Weyland family and tenancies in Ireland.
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Dear Rosie, Douglas, et al.,
<snip>
Thomas de Weyland is given by Copinger as having wed Margaret de Moese, daughter and heiress of Thomas de Moese, of Campsey, Suffolk. Outside of the Weyland and Moese surnames, and the various manors held by those families as identified by Copinger (Brandeston, Westerfield & c.) no earlier family connections have been ascertained.
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The following 8 generation ancestor list for Alice le Rus includes the
conjecture that the Fay family was a branch of the Chatellerault. '#'
indicates that the affiliation of the person so marked is conjectural.
There is more on the Turnham family which I have not yet accessed.
1 Alice LE RUS. Born 1245/1247. Died Before 28 Jan 1301. Buried in
Woodbridge Priory. Occupation Heir to Stinton, Norf; Akenham &
Whittingham, Suffolk.
Alice was heir of her father.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 440;
EYC I:481]
She married Sir Richard de BREWES, of Stinton, Norf, Before 9 Sep 1265.
2 William # LE RUS, of Stinton, Norf. Died 1253.
Farrer thinks it likely that William was younger brother of Hugh (II)
(d.1232) and his heir.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 438,
439-441; EYC I:481]
He married Agatha de CLERE.
3 Agatha de CLERE. Died Before 1250.
Agatha was heir of her parents.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 438,
439; EYC I:481]
4 Hugh (I) LE RUS, of Woodbridge & Stradbrook. Died 1230.
[HKF III:439]
6 Sir Roger (III) de CLERE, of Sinnington, Shere & Bramley. Died 1248.
Roger passed by fine to John fitz Geoffrey the manor of Shere.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356-357; EYC I:481]
He married Maud de FAY, Before 1232.
7 Maud de FAY. Died 1249.
Maud was elder sister and heir of John de Fay (d.1241). A pedigree
published in *The Genealogist* (Old Series) V:318 alleges (wrongly) that
William de Braose (d.1210) grandfather of William and Richard (husband Maud
de Fay's granddaughter and heir) was the first husband of Maud de Fay.
Maud survived her husband. His death is variously given as 1248, 1249 or
1250. Maud herself was dead by 1250 when the wardship of her granddaughter
in Maud's lands in Sinnington were granted to William le Rus.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:82, 83; HKF III:356-357; EYC I:481]
8 Ernald (III) LE RUS, of Stradbrook & Akenham. Died 1215.
[HKF III:438-439]
12 Ralph (II) de CLERE, Sinnington & Shere. Died After 1232.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356; EYC I:481]
14 Ralph de FAY, of Bramley, Surrey. Died 1223.
Bramley was restored to this Ralph after the accession of king John.
[HKF II:109, III:356-357; VCH Surrey III:4, 53, 82]
He married Beatrice de TURNEHAM.
15 Beatrice de TURNEHAM. Died Before 1246.
Beatrice was coheir of her father.
[HKF II:109, III:356-357; VCH Surrey III:4, 5, 53, 84]
16 Ernald (II) LE RUS, of Stradbrook. Died After 1166.
Ernald held Stradbrook in 1159 but not thereafter.
[HKF III:438]
24 Ralph (I) de CLERE, of Wilton, Shere & Sinnington. Died 1205.
Ralph was heir of his brother Roger (II) (d.1183/84). Roger (II) is
described as 'Roger son of Roger'. Hence Ralph was also son of Roger (I).
VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:355-356; EYC I:480]
He married Mabel.
25 Mabel.
In the Fine Roll Mabel is described as 'Mabilia Edmundi'.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356; EYC I:480]
28 Ralph # [ =? Raoul de FAYE] de FAY, of Bramley, Surrey. Died Before 1210.
Ralph the elder was granted Bramley and other fees by king Henry II.
Ralph was dispossessed for his part in the rebellion of the young Henry and
it would appear that while he did recover some lands after king Henry's
death, he did not recover Bramley. There is a conjecture that this Ralph de
Fay is to be identified with Raoul de Faye, lord of Faye-la-Vineuse, first
cousin of queen Eleanor, consort of king Henry II. The references below
give no evidence to support this conjecture. The dates given in ES for
Raoul fit what we know of Ralph's dates, but ES indicates no descendants
for Raoul.
[VCH Surrey III:53, 82; ES III/4:813]
30 Stephen de TURNEHAM, of Great Berwick, Salop. Died 1214.
Stephen was the king's mashal.
[HKFI:24, III:69, 71, 182-183, 356; VCH Surrey III:4, 84]
He married Edeline de BROC, L of Angmering.
31 Edeline de BROC, L of Angmering. Died 1221.
Eveline or Edeline was coheir of her father. Angmering, however, did not
descend to her heirs.
[HKF III:71, 182-183, 356; VCH Surrey III:4]
32 Ernald (I) LE RUS, of Stradbrook, Suff. Died Before 1159.
Ernald was granted Stradbrook, Suffolk, by Stephen count of Mortain
before the summer of 1125.
[HKF III:438]
48 Roger (I) de CLERE.
[HKF III:355]
56 Raoul de CHATELLERAULT, L of Faye. Died Before 1090.
[ES III/4:813]
He married Elisabeth de FAYE, Before 1144.
57 Elisabeth de FAYE.
[ES III/4:813]
62 Ranulf de BROC, of Angmering, Sussex. Died About 1179.
Ranulf was usher and marshal to king Henry II. He was given Angmering by
his uncle, known only as Guy. This gift was made with the consent of Nigel
de Broc and his brothers, and the gift was recorded in the Charter Roll in
7 John.
[HKF III:70-71, 356; VCH Surrey III:4]
He married Dametta.
63 Dametta.
[HKF III:70]
64 Roger LE RUS. Died Before 1125.
[HKF III:438]
112 Aimery I de CHATELLERAULT, Vc of Chatellerault. Died Before 1144 in
Noyers Abbey, France. Buried in Noyers Abbey, France.
[ES III/4:813]
He married Dangerose-Maubergeonne.
113 Dangerose-Maubergeonne.
[ES III/4:813]
114 Aimery de FAYE, L of Faye-la-Vineuse.
[ES III/4:813]
124 Oyn PURCEL.
[HKF III:70]
224 Boso II de CHATELLERAULT, Vc of Chatellerault. Died After 1090.
[ES III/4:810, 813]
He married Alienor de THOUARS, About 1075.
225 Alienor de THOUARS. Died After 1088.
[ES III/4:810, 813]
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The following 8 generation ancestor list for Alice le Rus includes the
conjecture that the Fay family was a branch of the Chatellerault. '#'
indicates that the affiliation of the person so marked is conjectural.
There is more on the Turnham family which I have not yet accessed.
1 Alice LE RUS. Born 1245/1247. Died Before 28 Jan 1301. Buried in
Woodbridge Priory. Occupation Heir to Stinton, Norf; Akenham &
Whittingham, Suffolk.
Alice was heir of her father.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 440;
EYC I:481]
She married Sir Richard de BREWES, of Stinton, Norf, Before 9 Sep 1265.
2 William # LE RUS, of Stinton, Norf. Died 1253.
Farrer thinks it likely that William was younger brother of Hugh (II)
(d.1232) and his heir.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 438,
439-441; EYC I:481]
He married Agatha de CLERE.
3 Agatha de CLERE. Died Before 1250.
Agatha was heir of her parents.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:83; HKF III:357, 438,
439; EYC I:481]
4 Hugh (I) LE RUS, of Woodbridge & Stradbrook. Died 1230.
[HKF III:439]
6 Sir Roger (III) de CLERE, of Sinnington, Shere & Bramley. Died 1248.
Roger passed by fine to John fitz Geoffrey the manor of Shere.
[CP II:304; VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356-357; EYC I:481]
He married Maud de FAY, Before 1232.
7 Maud de FAY. Died 1249.
Maud was elder sister and heir of John de Fay (d.1241). A pedigree
published in *The Genealogist* (Old Series) V:318 alleges (wrongly) that
William de Braose (d.1210) grandfather of William and Richard (husband Maud
de Fay's granddaughter and heir) was the first husband of Maud de Fay.
Maud survived her husband. His death is variously given as 1248, 1249 or
1250. Maud herself was dead by 1250 when the wardship of her granddaughter
in Maud's lands in Sinnington were granted to William le Rus.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; VCH Surrey III:82, 83; HKF III:356-357; EYC I:481]
8 Ernald (III) LE RUS, of Stradbrook & Akenham. Died 1215.
[HKF III:438-439]
12 Ralph (II) de CLERE, Sinnington & Shere. Died After 1232.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356; EYC I:481]
14 Ralph de FAY, of Bramley, Surrey. Died 1223.
Bramley was restored to this Ralph after the accession of king John.
[HKF II:109, III:356-357; VCH Surrey III:4, 53, 82]
He married Beatrice de TURNEHAM.
15 Beatrice de TURNEHAM. Died Before 1246.
Beatrice was coheir of her father.
[HKF II:109, III:356-357; VCH Surrey III:4, 5, 53, 84]
16 Ernald (II) LE RUS, of Stradbrook. Died After 1166.
Ernald held Stradbrook in 1159 but not thereafter.
[HKF III:438]
24 Ralph (I) de CLERE, of Wilton, Shere & Sinnington. Died 1205.
Ralph was heir of his brother Roger (II) (d.1183/84). Roger (II) is
described as 'Roger son of Roger'. Hence Ralph was also son of Roger (I).
VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:355-356; EYC I:480]
He married Mabel.
25 Mabel.
In the Fine Roll Mabel is described as 'Mabilia Edmundi'.
[VCH Yorks (NR) II:490; HKF III:356; EYC I:480]
28 Ralph # [ =? Raoul de FAYE] de FAY, of Bramley, Surrey. Died Before 1210.
Ralph the elder was granted Bramley and other fees by king Henry II.
Ralph was dispossessed for his part in the rebellion of the young Henry and
it would appear that while he did recover some lands after king Henry's
death, he did not recover Bramley. There is a conjecture that this Ralph de
Fay is to be identified with Raoul de Faye, lord of Faye-la-Vineuse, first
cousin of queen Eleanor, consort of king Henry II. The references below
give no evidence to support this conjecture. The dates given in ES for
Raoul fit what we know of Ralph's dates, but ES indicates no descendants
for Raoul.
[VCH Surrey III:53, 82; ES III/4:813]
30 Stephen de TURNEHAM, of Great Berwick, Salop. Died 1214.
Stephen was the king's mashal.
[HKFI:24, III:69, 71, 182-183, 356; VCH Surrey III:4, 84]
He married Edeline de BROC, L of Angmering.
31 Edeline de BROC, L of Angmering. Died 1221.
Eveline or Edeline was coheir of her father. Angmering, however, did not
descend to her heirs.
[HKF III:71, 182-183, 356; VCH Surrey III:4]
32 Ernald (I) LE RUS, of Stradbrook, Suff. Died Before 1159.
Ernald was granted Stradbrook, Suffolk, by Stephen count of Mortain
before the summer of 1125.
[HKF III:438]
48 Roger (I) de CLERE.
[HKF III:355]
56 Raoul de CHATELLERAULT, L of Faye. Died Before 1090.
[ES III/4:813]
He married Elisabeth de FAYE, Before 1144.
57 Elisabeth de FAYE.
[ES III/4:813]
62 Ranulf de BROC, of Angmering, Sussex. Died About 1179.
Ranulf was usher and marshal to king Henry II. He was given Angmering by
his uncle, known only as Guy. This gift was made with the consent of Nigel
de Broc and his brothers, and the gift was recorded in the Charter Roll in
7 John.
[HKF III:70-71, 356; VCH Surrey III:4]
He married Dametta.
63 Dametta.
[HKF III:70]
64 Roger LE RUS. Died Before 1125.
[HKF III:438]
112 Aimery I de CHATELLERAULT, Vc of Chatellerault. Died Before 1144 in
Noyers Abbey, France. Buried in Noyers Abbey, France.
[ES III/4:813]
He married Dangerose-Maubergeonne.
113 Dangerose-Maubergeonne.
[ES III/4:813]
114 Aimery de FAYE, L of Faye-la-Vineuse.
[ES III/4:813]
124 Oyn PURCEL.
[HKF III:70]
224 Boso II de CHATELLERAULT, Vc of Chatellerault. Died After 1090.
[ES III/4:810, 813]
He married Alienor de THOUARS, About 1075.
225 Alienor de THOUARS. Died After 1088.
[ES III/4:810, 813]
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