Note to self: never lie to special prosecutors

Two top White House aides have given accounts to a special prosecutor about how reporters first told them the identity of a CIA agent that are at odds with what the reporters have said, according to people familiar with the case. … These discrepancies may be important because Fitzgerald is investigating whether Libby, Rove or other administration officials made false statements during the course of the investigation.

So of course, the big question on everybody’s mind… if Rove and Libby share a jail cell, which one will be the bitch?

If we know anything about Bush, it is that he is extremely loyal to his friends (Halliburton etc). I believe he will bite the bullet rather than give up Rove. (besides without Rove he would probably forget how to breathe)

TT: I wonder who is really telling the truth. I still wonder why Judith Miller sits in jail. If anyone lied to the SP then they should have shackles placed on their wrists and led to jail. But that already said by me in a previous post, I will wait until the SP says do it. I will wait for the fact finding to end and the leaks to occur in the NY Slimes so Goldy can rush to put it on his blog!!! Bush will do the right thing if administration people broke the law. I always thought Goldy and many HA lefties had a butt fetish and this post proves it!!! AND you guys TEASE us about Jim West? This post is laughable!!!

I’d be shocked if Miller is protecting Rove, or Libby, as her source. I suspect she’ll just stay in jail until October, when the grand jury’s term expires, and never talk. Then she’ll get an advance and write a book on the whole experience.

The differeance being, of course, we like to kid and joke around about Rove and Scooter being passed from one inmate to another like a bottle of whiskey around the campfire. Jim West, on the other hand, has a proven track record of having another man insert his erect penis into the Mayor’s varioius orfices.

GBS, you are right about Jim West. I found the “pun intended” humor poor.

RPope: The Niger ambassador said in her testimony she asked Wilson not to meet with current Niger Gomvint officials because she didn’t want to mess up the investigation with him shooping around. That article is curious. Pathological liar maybe?

wow….how underwhelming…..this topic is so very, …gee, I don’t know….so very 9th grade. What is this fascination with questioning people sexuality, I zoom by 1090am for 15 seconds, and it comes after ever conservative they mention, or they play a sound bite from the song ” I’m coming out”. I must not be the target market, or maybe I don’t get the little nuance. Is it funny? to whom “gay people”? which ones, the adults?

”The memo in question, where Valerie Plame’s name is classified, verifies that Plame sent Joseph Wilson on the mission to Africa.”

Really? I though it only pointed out that Plame attended a meeting discussing sending Wilson to Africa. Put these two sentences together, and one would believe that Wilson was asked to go to Africa by overt CIA officials, and not by secret undercover operatives.

I have no doubt that Wilson was asked to go to Africa by overt CIA officials. The idea that Plame “sent him” is made-up wingnut bullshit. Clearly, Plame was asked her opinion about it, but it is a real stretch to take that and say that she “sent him.”

”The memo in question, where Valerie Plame’s name is classified, verifies that Plame sent Joseph Wilson on the mission to Africa.”

Really? I though it only pointed out that Plame attended a meeting discussing sending Wilson to Africa.

“Put these two sentences together, and one would believe that Wilson was asked to go to Africa by overt CIA officials, and not by secret undercover operatives.”

I have no doubt that Wilson was asked to go to Africa by overt CIA officials. The idea that Plame “sent him” is made-up wingnut bullshit. Clearly, Plame was asked her opinion about it, but it is a real stretch to take that and say that she “sent him.”

Pope: The State Department memo does NOT verify that. The memo includes a paragraph based on an INR analyst’s notes from the Feb. 19, 2002, meeting at which Wilson and CIA officials discussed a possible trip to Niger. At that meeting, Plame introduced Wilson and left. Another memo that she wrote before the meeting lays out Wilson’s connections to several Niger officials. As the CIA has said, Plame did NOT send Wilson to Niger. She could NOT have sent him — she had NO standing to do so.

Try as you might to change the subject, the subject remains: The administration has told arrogant lies in a pathetic attempt to justify Bush’s personal, bloody war. Caught out by Wilson, administration officials did everything they could in an attempt to smear Wilson, including releasing classified information about a CIA operative. That used to be called treason in this country. In fact, it still is. And by the way, that’s Joe Wilson, the man stood up to Saddam Hussein when other diplomats couldn’t or wouldn’t, the man who President George H.W. Bush called “a great American hero.”

We sit here more than two years later and the storm of invective and smear against Ambassador Wilson and his wife, Valerie, continues. I voted for George Bush in November of 2000 because I wanted a President who knew what the meaning of “is” was. I was tired of political operatives who spent endless hours on cable news channels parsing words. I was promised a President who would bring a new tone and new ethical standards to Washington.

So where are we? The President has flip flopped and backed away from his promise to fire anyone at the White House implicated in a leak. We now know from press reports that at least Karl Rove and Scooter Libby are implicated in these leaks. Instead of a President concerned first and foremost with protecting this country and the intelligence officers who serve it, we are confronted with a President who is willing to sit by while political operatives savage the reputations of good Americans like Valerie and Joe Wilson. This is wrong.

I guess the Washington Post article has a better description of the State Department memo than the Bloomberg article linked for this thread. Also, I only get a blank screen now for the Bloomberg article :(

Didn’t the information about the African uranium in the January 2003 come from British intelligence? If so, why should what Wilson found out or didn’t find out in February 2002 make much of a difference? Especially if Bush had other reasons to go to war to Iraq. Even more so when Congress had authorized the war months earlier, and had not relied on any African uranium information.

On the other hand, it wouldn’t upset me terribly if Karl Rove gets indicted over this. I would assume that the prosecutor and grand jury wouldn’t issue any indictments in a high profile case like this, unless there is reasonably strong probable cause to support them. So we will see.

“What ever you do, keep the Rove thing in the press! Our Media allies have sworn allegience to the Democrat party of treason. GET ROVE at ANY costs, whether the charge is real or imagined. No trial, now conviction needed. A public beheading!”

“I say this as a registered Republican. I am on record giving contributions to the George Bush campaign. This is not about partisan politics. This is about a betrayal, a political smear, of an individual who had no relevance to the story. Publishing her name in that story added nothing to it because the entire intent was, correctly as Amb. Wilson noted, to intimidate, to suggest that there was some impropriety that somehow his wife was in a decision-making position to influence his ability to go over and savage a stupid policy, an erroneous policy, and frankly what was a false policy of suggesting that there was nuclear material in Iraq that required this war. This was about a political attack. To pretend it was something else, to get into this parsing of words.

“I tell you, it sickens me to be a Republican to see this.”

But not you, apparently, mr. andjelly. How proud you must be of your team.

Ya know, I’m starting to wonder if there isn’t more the Cheesy Chuckie than we realize. Yep, I think Chuckie has big ambitions — Hollywood scriptwriter ambitions. Nothing wrong with this script that a couple of car chases, some explosions, a few good stunts, and lots of skin can’t overcome! With Chuckie’s imagination working in overdrive, he might get his big break any day now. Wait — I know — the next TV reality show is going to be: “Who Wants to Be a Hollywood Writer”!

Seems like a long time ago, but I vaguely remember Dubya promising to “change the culture” in D.C. Well he sure as hell did. Treason and perjury are not longer punishable offenses. All the political liars of the past were mere amateurs. We’ll show you how pros do it!!! Remember the old joke about how Nixon promised to get crime off the streets? Yeah, he got crime off the streets and moved it into the White House! Well, the Dubya bunch is WAY ahead of Nixon, they’re modeling their administration after Russia, where organized crime IS the government!

“This is about taking on members of the Bush administration who were, and are, so committed to war, so committed to empire, that compromising national security is less important than maintaining the political momentum necessary to launch an illegal invasion.”

I don’t agree with hanging the person. I would like to let Fitzgerald do his job. If he can build a case against anyone, then they should be tried, and if convicted sent to prison for the appropriate period of time. I’ve said before, that applies to Rove as well.

that sounds like a good story, but the problem starts with Rove not telling the GJ he ever talked to Cooper. There was no direct phone record; he was patched through to the switchboard, and so at first it seems Fitgerald didn’t know about it. But they had the email record of the call from Rove to Hadley, and so they subpoenaed Cooper to get his side. The judge, in his order, said that he believed that testimony (from he and Russert at the time) would be dispositive in proving innocence or guilt.

That’s why they’re so smart they couldn’t have done it–they thought they had plausible deniability. Turns out they’re not, they did, and they didn’t. :)

Since Bush and Co. are so pro death penalty and since treason is a capital offense punishible by death, I think we should go for the “whole enchilada” on this one. I think if treason can be proven, they should all be executed. You know the Reps would do it to someone else in a heartbeat.

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