"The basic plot is that Donna Speir and Hope Marie Carlton, the two undercover DEA agent Playboy Playmates from the last movie, are still running around in jungle shorts, cowboy boots and spaghetti strap T-shirts, firing their machine guns at drug smugglers, Filipino communist guerrillas, and corrupt federal agents while their two friends, Lisa London and Miss May 1984 Patty Duffek, lounge around the pool a lot and talk on speaker phones that look like fax machines."-Joe Bob on SAVAGE BEACH

No it isn't. We don't need to be reminded of what happened, and on it's own, a film of this nature (and appaent graphic nature) is going to stir up the old controversy of whether the Holocaust happened or not. Not a good idea.

Is there any controversy over whether the Holocaust really happened, except in the minds of brainwashed Neo-Nazi IDIOTS??????

I got to go and listen to Willem and Rosalie Schiff, a Jewish couple who somehow survived Auschwitz, last year. They are in their 80's now. The survivors are very, very few. I am of the opinion that we can NEVER afford to forget the greatest crime in human history. If this film will shock a few teenagers, and make them realize that this really happened, then I am all for it!

Is there any controversy over whether the Holocaust really happened, except in the minds of brainwashed Neo-Nazi IDIOTS??????

I got to go and listen to Willem and Rosalie Schiff, a Jewish couple who somehow survived Auschwitz, last year. They are in their 80's now. The survivors are very, very few. I am of the opinion that we can NEVER afford to forget the greatest crime in human history. If this film will shock a few teenagers, and make them realize that this really happened, then I am all for it!

Yeah, I kind of agree with Indiana here. I can understand someone wanting someone who can handle it sensitively, but it really only needs to shock and be authentic. I also wonder if the trailer, with Boll standing outside looking disinterested, is supposed to be some kind of commentary. Maybe too subtle for Boll? I dunno. Also, after seeing Rampage, I can't deny Boll does have some directorial ability.

I think I've said it before on here, but Holocaust deniers are some of the worst people in the world. I remember reading a bit of Stormfront, and reading some of the stuff on there made me feel depressed for about a week. Anything that will make them angry sounds good to me...

BTW, Boll's previous somewhat related film was about Darfur, not Rwanda.

BTW, Boll's previous somewhat related film was about Darfur, not Rwanda.

That film ~ entitled Darfur ~ was shot in South Africa and I saw it at its' premiere in March this year: I was expecting to sit there in the cinema and LMAO at Uwe's latest disaster. Wrong. I cried through most of it and I even screamed out loud at one point where a Janjaweed terrorist holds a baby tenderly in his arms and then drops the baby. On his / her head! I also remember getting seriously angry during this film: this happened on my continent and to Africans, so WTF was I doing about this genocide?

Next to Jans Rautenbach's Katrina, Darfur is the most emotionally devastating film that I have ever seen and if Uwe Boll can open our eyes to what went on in Darfur, I think he can do the same for the Holocaust.

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Is there any controversy over whether the Holocaust really happened, except in the minds of brainwashed Neo-Nazi IDIOTS??????

I recant my earlier calling that we don't need to be reminded. It was a bad choice of words.

What I meant, is that we DO need to be reminded, but reminded in a way that creates a fair, unbiased look at the true happenings. A way that accurately depicts the horrors w\o stirring up the partisan pot, so to speak. I hope that makes better sense. I sometimes say the right thing the wrong way.

I got to go and listen to Willem and Rosalie Schiff, a Jewish couple who somehow survived Auschwitz, last year. They are in their 80's now. The survivors are very, very few. I am of the opinion that we can NEVER afford to forget the greatest crime in human history. If this film will shock a few teenagers, and make them realize that this really happened, then I am all for it!

The problem with the younger generation, is the school systems and campuses that are either putting the denial in their heads, or using the dual-edged morality of "yes it happened, and it was wrong, BUT...." (add reason here.)

While I may be wrong, it seems that in the minds of some folk, denial of the Holocaust is an alternate way to support and defend the incident, in lieu of coming right out and saying they defend it. It's a safety mechanism that hides their true feelings.

And with the general international image of Israel as "Zionist terrorists" and the extending of such feelings to America for our support of Israel, (and the post 9-11 wars overseas) it would appear that, either worldwide or domestic, some people (but not all) have their perfect vehicle to see the Holocaust as "payback."

Needless to say, I disagree with such thought.

In terms of legitimimacy, the Holocaust always seems to be an uphill battle.

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is the school systems and campuses thatare either putting the denial in their heads, or using the dual-edged morality of "yes it happened, and it was wrong, BUT...." (add reason here.)

Are you saying they actually do this about the Holocaust itself, or that they just do this about so many things (slavery, for example) young people themselves try to apply it to the Holocaust?

I ask because I'm finding it hard to picture any public school or university not portraying the Holocaust as extremely evil. I know mine portrayed it as possibly the worst atrocity in history, though I went to generally quite good schools, so...

Are you saying they actually do this about the Holocaust itself, or that they just do this about so many things (slavery, for example) young people themselves try to apply it to the Holocaust?

I have heard stories from several college students at my workplace, and also from my cousin.

My cousin came home from college this summer, and said that she was being harassed because of her belief in The Holocaust. And that, several students in her class had conveniently piggybacked slavery to Gitmo, and that the Holocaust was either "an outright lie to garner sympathy for the racist nation of Zion", OR that it was "payback" for the human rights violations in the Middle East. And that opened the door to Iraq and Afghanistan as well..

She also said her professor also argued that there "weren't enough Jews in Europe at the time for that many to be killed." Also, he said that Hitler counted those who defied him as "Jews themselves" and that this also makes the exact number of Jews who died questionable, thus making the Jewish claim of genocide also questionable.

I ask because I'm finding it hard to picture any public school or university not portraying the Holocaust as extremely evil. I know mine portrayed it as possibly the worst atrocity in history, though I went to generally quite good schools, so...

In our day, history wasn't as polarized as it is today. Sure you had discussions and arguments, and political differences, but not like TODAY. I feel that professors are deliberately fueling these debates based on some of their own views, w\o really caring what it's resulting in as long as they get their paychecks.

Are you saying they actually do this about the Holocaust itself, or that they just do this about so many things (slavery, for example) young people themselves try to apply it to the Holocaust?

I have heard stories from several college students at my workplace, and also from my cousin.

My cousin came home from college this summer, and said that she was being harassed because of her belief in The Holocaust. And that, several students in her class had conveniently piggybacked slavery to Gitmo, and that the Holocaust was either "an outright lie to garner sympathy for the racist nation of Zion", OR that it was "payback" for the human rights violations in the Middle East. And that opened the door to Iraq and Afghanistan as well..

She also said her professor also argued that there "weren't enough Jews in Europe at the time for that many to be killed." Also, he said that Hitler counted those who defied him as "Jews themselves" and that this also makes the exact number of Jews who died questionable, thus making the Jewish claim of genocide also questionable.

I ask because I'm finding it hard to picture any public school or university not portraying the Holocaust as extremely evil. I know mine portrayed it as possibly the worst atrocity in history, though I went to generally quite good schools, so...

In our day, history wasn't as polarized as it is today. Sure you had discussions and arguments, and political differences, but not like TODAY. I feel that professors are deliberately fueling these debates based on some of their own views, w\o really caring what it's resulting in as long as they get their paychecks.

I happen to be a history major in college and I've never heard any professor or student try to deny the Holocuast. In fact my university has an entire course on the Holocuast itself called HST 280 Nazi Germany and the Holocuast. Which pretty much sums up how and why the Holocaust happened.

Now I will admit I have seen a lot of professor seem to have varying opinions on different portions in history, but I have never in my life seen one try to deny the Holocaust. If your cousin's professor is really that nuts and a history professor then he diserves to be fired!

Are you saying they actually do this about the Holocaust itself, or that they just do this about so many things (slavery, for example) young people themselves try to apply it to the Holocaust?

I have heard stories from several college students at my workplace, and also from my cousin.

My cousin came home from college this summer, and said that she was being harassed because of her belief in The Holocaust. And that, several students in her class had conveniently piggybacked slavery to Gitmo, and that the Holocaust was either "an outright lie to garner sympathy for the racist nation of Zion", OR that it was "payback" for the human rights violations in the Middle East. And that opened the door to Iraq and Afghanistan as well..

She also said her professor also argued that there "weren't enough Jews in Europe at the time for that many to be killed." Also, he said that Hitler counted those who defied him as "Jews themselves" and that this also makes the exact number of Jews who died questionable, thus making the Jewish claim of genocide also questionable.

I ask because I'm finding it hard to picture any public school or university not portraying the Holocaust as extremely evil. I know mine portrayed it as possibly the worst atrocity in history, though I went to generally quite good schools, so...

In our day, history wasn't as polarized as it is today. Sure you had discussions and arguments, and political differences, but not like TODAY. I feel that professors are deliberately fueling these debates based on some of their own views, w\o really caring what it's resulting in as long as they get their paychecks.

I happen to be a history major in college and I've never heard any professor or student try to deny the Holocuast. In fact my university has an entire course on the Holocuast itself called HST 280 Nazi Germany and the Holocuast. Which pretty much sums up how and why the Holocaust happened.

Now I will admit I have seen a lot of professor seem to have varying opinions on different portions in history, but I have never in my life seen one try to deny the Holocaust. If your cousin's professor is really that nuts and a history professor then he diserves to be fired!

Well this was part of my thinking, maybe it was her professor only....but also, w\regard to the world view of Israel today, it makes you wonder if her professor is doing this based on is own views on the Jewish people. As far as one college doing it, we allknow that one is all it takes.

One of the students, according my cousin, said that the Holocaust is only taught "in return for the funding the Jews give the colleges, and the financial incentives that come from it." There's definitely some wrong thinking going on somewhere.