Every team and manager at this level of the game should go into every game with the mentality that they think they can win, want to win, and do their best to win. Anything aside from this and it's not cricket.

If (just) staying in the league gives what the owners see as an adequate return on investment and a sustainable long term business model, the just staying in the league is all they will aim (and pay) for - anything above that is bunce, unexpected and unbudgeted for free money for them.

I don't like that approach, I suspect YOU don't like that approach, and I suspect anyone who truly supports a football club doesn't like that approach, but, ever since the Premier League was formed, this was only going to be the outcome - Football as a Business - FaaB.

It's long since it was the product - today it's a billboard for a multitude of other products, and these have a vested interest in keeping the game (sic) as it is today - unless they can find ways of using it to squeeze even more money out of Joe fucking Public (YOU & ME).

Sick and tired of these wank stain managers proclaiming they want to win these cups. Bollocks, that team selection was Moyes and his brigade all over. Why the fuck put a densive left back in at right wing back. Moyes still had better options Haksabank could of played there and at least created something.Why not give either Cresswell or Ogbonna a rest. Even the lad Johnson would of put more effort in. 6 defenders, how many do you fucking need1 shot in the whole game. Moyes and co should buy every fan a pint on SaturdayFucking disgraceful What’s the point in having a frigging academy whilst we at it if we can’t utilise them in games like this

Just feel the tone of this thread by some is more of a dig at the new manager rather than disappointment at being knocked out of the cup.

I get the feeling that after the good performance and result at Stoke some people on here were just waiting for a bad result and performance to justify their displeasure at the manager/board.

I have never seen us win a trophy in 33 years of following West Ham so everytime we play in a cup competition we should be 100 percent committed. If we don't do the same against Shrewsbury then I will be pissed off.