"Our delight in any particular study, art or science rises in proportion to the application which we bestow upon it. Thus, what was at first an exercise becomes at length an entertainment."
- Joseph Addison

This brings up the question....actually do back exts or hip extensions?

The vid shows hip...

Comment #12 - Posted by: gags at April 13, 2010 5:36 PM

35:10 as Rx'd. except did 45# good mornings for back ext. We do not have a GHD. Disappointed but I haven't been working that hard lately. I have been less than motivated the last couple months. Maybe the gray days in northern Indiana. Any Ideas to get out of the slump?

Comment #13 - Posted by: JLG m/48/170/5'10" at April 13, 2010 5:53 PM

OHHHH YEAAHHHHH!!!!! its been too long sweetheart...too long, bring on the pain!!!

Comment #14 - Posted by: mikey mic at April 13, 2010 5:55 PM

YAY!

Comment #15 - Posted by: Dshaw at April 13, 2010 6:07 PM

Newb question: for longer high rep WODs like this is it better to take as much rest as needed to finish the 50 reps?? or should I have a max rest time and if I can't do another rep move on to the next exercise?? been CF'ing for a month or so now and havin lots of fun with it...thanks in advance

Comment #16 - Posted by: Jason at April 13, 2010 6:21 PM

Time to get filthy!

Comment #17 - Posted by: Ed Walto at April 13, 2010 6:22 PM

I PRed on Filthy Fifty with 14:31 about 3 weeks ago!!!!

Comment #18 - Posted by: Dan Tyminski at April 13, 2010 6:27 PM

#17 Jason asked:
for longer high rep WODs like this is it better to take as much rest as needed to finish the 50 reps?? or should I have a max rest time and if I can't do another rep move on to the next exercise??

Well, the intent for the WOD is: Start the clock. Do all 500 reps in order, resting only as necessary. Stop the clock. Record your time. Try to beat it next time.

But regarding taking breaks, I think many of the hackers here, like me for instance, have to take breaks on several of the exercises. Take the KTE's - because of a combo of stomach muscles and grip strength, I can't come close to 50 straight. I do 20, rest 5-8 seconds, do 8, rest agin fer a couple, then 7, rest, 6, rest, 5, rest, then the last 4. Also have to take breaks for wall ball and burpees. Just try and remember that the clock is ticking, so just rest long enough to bang another couple of reps out.

If you are just getting going, you might try scaling it to 40 reps of each for a total of 400, see how it goes, and then modify next time the WOD comes up. For instance, my wife did 30 of each the first time she tried it.

HTH, Dave T.

Comment #19 - Posted by: Dave T. at April 13, 2010 6:36 PM

i knew one of the classics had to be comin out soon. awesome.

Comment #20 - Posted by: Carlina at April 13, 2010 6:53 PM

Hey guys, just wondering if someone knows a couple subs for double-unders and box jumps. I'm rehabbing a high ankle sprain and jumping is still a no go so tuck jumps are also out. Any and all input is appreciated.

What's a good warm up for day like this? It's only my 2nd week and I'm pretty sore n I'm thinkin the cfwux3 like Ive been doing might affect my performance , even though Ill probably scale to 40.

Comment #36 - Posted by: Mo at April 13, 2010 9:02 PM

1 pood is how many Pounds/KG?

Comment #37 - Posted by: Mike/31/205/6'1'' at April 13, 2010 9:14 PM

Does anyone else have standard overtraining symptoms that they get? I should probably say overreaching, as it goes away in 3-5 days. If I do too much over a few days and can't find the right sleep and glutamine to counter I usually wake up with a nasty sore throat and stuffed ears/nose. It feels like strep or a sinus infection but no fever and the doc never finds anything. The problem is that I can never really spot any warning signs. It just seems to crash in, usually after a rough rugby weekend, but in this case it was just after being active and outside for too many days in a row I guess.

This is the 3rd time in the last 6 months and each one I can attribute to overindulgence in athletic endeavors.

Does anyone have similar overreaching or overtraining issues? If so, have you found any foods or habits that helped prevent them? Other than the obvious "just take a day off when you feel it coming" which would work if I could "feel" it coming. It's usually a wake up sick thing. Obviously I'm gonna miss some sleep here and there, but I find it hard to believe that that alone could set me off.

Comment #38 - Posted by: chris at April 13, 2010 9:19 PM

Leon #30 - 45# is the bar not 45# and the bar

Comment #39 - Posted by: tj at April 13, 2010 9:37 PM

17:16

Comment #40 - Posted by: Adam Stevenson at April 13, 2010 10:07 PM

17.15 Rx'd

Comment #41 - Posted by: Brendan Clarke at April 13, 2010 10:12 PM

#38 Mike

16kg

Comment #42 - Posted by: Wheels at April 13, 2010 10:18 PM

Ever since I started CrossFit, muscular girls like in today's pic are getting more and more attractive to me. That girl's got a hot bod!!

#13 JLG - As hard as it is for us fitness freaks not to train, try taking a full week off, do nothing at all. Eat a bag of potato chips, watch TV, and drink a ton of beer. You'll be amazed at how motivating feeling fat and out of shape will be for you!!

But if you can't stomach that idea, then try something different for exercise other than CrossFit. Try playing pickup basketball at the park, swimming, yoga, or good ol' Globo Gym 3 sets of 10 on the incline peck deck machine, haha. That might be refreshing enough to miss CrossFit and get your mind back on track. Hope that helps!

Comment #43 - Posted by: Danny at April 13, 2010 10:47 PM

I think I will scale this down to "filthy 20" and do it as a CFSB metcon.

Comment #44 - Posted by: Özgün at April 13, 2010 10:48 PM

Nice filthy 50. The jumping chins alone are in the .25 hp range for someone of her stature and weight.

Comment #45 - Posted by: Seth at April 13, 2010 11:06 PM

More like the FML Fifty....

20:01.4

The burpees almost killed me at the end.

"Don't wish it was easier, Wish you were better"

Comment #46 - Posted by: david stover at April 13, 2010 11:26 PM

30/M/143/5'10

THE SAME THING THAT I PUT BACK IN 08 NOV 09,

The Famous Filthy Fifty! Nice! one of my favorite workouts since i started crossfit! sweet!

I am confident that i will beat my PR, the more I do this WODs the better I get overall phisically, this one will be the perfect example along with all the Girls Benchmark WODs,

Any TIPS on how to get a faster time?

I am pacing my self and if i rest it will be less than a 5 second rest and attacking the WOD again till i finish.

BRING IT COACH. 3,2,1. GO!

SANTI

Comment #47 - Posted by: SANTI at April 13, 2010 11:54 PM

Had to make some subs...

DB for kettlebell
Good mornings with 45lbs for back extensions
Thrusters with 45 lbs for Wall Ball shots
Knees to Chest jumps for DU'

47:43. This workout was a beast, I don't see how people can do all of this in sub 20 minutes....

Comment #48 - Posted by: emiller at April 14, 2010 12:00 AM

Chris, #39 at 9:19 pm,
not overtraining, what you're experiencing is from your immune system being crushed by the workout. The solution is simple: immediate (within 10-15 minutes of finishing) post-workout nutrition, consisting of whey protein, maltodextrin (fastest acting sugar, serves to stimulate insulin response, restore glycogen stores, and acts to facilitate use of BCAA from protein, and...) L-glutamine, which supports your immune system.

I had the same problem for a long time. Post-workout shakes fixed it.

They also make a noticeable difference in your next workout performance.

Comment #49 - Posted by: Cash Reynolds at April 14, 2010 12:41 AM

this workout should be called the GLADIATOR... because its pure battle... and war and agony!! lol love it!

Comment #50 - Posted by: Danielle Parks at April 14, 2010 1:20 AM

1st real try at it. let's see how it goes.
3,2,1,go.

Comment #51 - Posted by: pedro braga at April 14, 2010 1:58 AM

28:11 Rx'd

Nice pic EC!

Comment #52 - Posted by: Katherine at April 14, 2010 2:35 AM

Coach,
Who do I talk to and what procedure do I follow to submit a Hero WOD?

Thank You

Comment #53 - Posted by: Harry at April 14, 2010 2:45 AM

so why is it not posted as the "filthy fifty" anymore?

Comment #54 - Posted by: Dean at April 14, 2010 2:45 AM

so why isnt it posted as the "filthy fifty" anymore?

Comment #55 - Posted by: Dean at April 14, 2010 2:46 AM

M/35/69"/165

41:20 - ran out of gas mid-way

Comment #56 - Posted by: ArcLite at April 14, 2010 2:58 AM

m/44/183

subbed 20lb thruster for wallball

27:07

Comment #57 - Posted by: cosmo at April 14, 2010 3:12 AM

33/m/190

rx'd

22:29

Comment #58 - Posted by: MWade at April 14, 2010 3:57 AM

35:40. FML.

Comment #59 - Posted by: Brick at April 14, 2010 3:59 AM

as rx'd

20:51

Comment #60 - Posted by: joecam 35/M/190 at April 14, 2010 4:26 AM

Angie

Time: 16:31

Comment #61 - Posted by: Dr. John at April 14, 2010 4:38 AM

I do the "filthy" once a week even when it's not prescribed, it's my favorite. Starting last week I changed the 50 to 60, increased the weight to 65# on the push press and added an 11th exercise at the end, 95# overhead squats. I did this one yesterday (time 68 mins.) so I'll do something else today.

26/M/5'9"/165 21:39 as RX'd. Damn first time, was tough but good benchmark. Heart was racing afterward. Oh an thanks David Stover in my race to beat your time it seems what I ate at lunch wasn't ready to race. Pukie! (just a little)

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

Comment #94 - Posted by: Joshua Engman at April 14, 2010 7:26 AM

37yoM/188#

Mods: heaviest ball at my big box is 12# (thank god!), used a pre-set 50 bar for push press and a 35 pound db for kb swings. Otherwise as Rx.

30:06

The KTE and burpees killed my time.

Comment #95 - Posted by: Sethro at April 14, 2010 7:34 AM

28:30 subbed 35lb db's for kb's, subbed 45 lb thrusters for wb's, subbed good mornings for be's. About 90 secs off my PR. Rested too long between reps on thrusters. Burpees were horrible. DU's were OK but the area I was in was too enclosed and the ceiling too low. K2E's felt a lot better than past Filthy's.

Remains, by far, my favorite WOD to do at a globogym on a weekday morning.

Videos of the daily wods are nice, but Laurie's video not being rxed just add to the usual confusion of what is the rx version for women for this wod, as well as for the other benchmarks - very puzzling to me why an official rx women's version of the daily wod could not be posted, the way it is done for instance at Crossfit competitions, where of course there is always an official scaling for women.

Topped out at 21 burpees and finished the workout there. I had somewhere to be, otherwise this workout may have taken me 45 minutes and I would have finished. Anyhow, this is my first filthy fifty and I am somewhere between disappointed and indifferent about my time and failure to finish it. Oh well, I'll do better next time:

27:04

Comment #109 - Posted by: Chad at April 14, 2010 8:30 AM

M 43 6" 210

Rx with 25lb weight vest 27:31

Burpess with a vest on SUCK!!

Comment #110 - Posted by: Chris McK FD at April 14, 2010 8:39 AM

First Filthy Fifty workout, heard a lot about it from friends, but didn't think it was going to that bad. Man, those burpees at the end, that was destruction.

M/31/255/34:35
First time doing the Filthy Fifty. Subbed 40lb dumbbells for kettlebell. Burpees killed my time. What a WOD!! Just when I think I'm getting into better shape, a WOD like this shows me humility.

As RX'd.... 30:50(PR), last time i did this WOD was about 3 months ago time was about 35 minutes!

14 APRIL 2010

30/M/143/5'10

Did Supermans Instead of Back extensions.
Did DB Swing instead of KB Swing.

Time was 24:03 (PR) ALMOST 7 MINUTE PR. THE Burpees and the Wall balls got me, Took me about 6 minutes to complete those burpees, those burpees took the longest that i have ever seen in my life. usually i would go for 50 burpees in less than 3 minutes, NOT TODAY..

GOOD WORKOUT, and a new PR. have a nice one everyone.

SANTI

Comment #140 - Posted by: santi at April 14, 2010 10:42 AM

29:06 rx'd

M/33/175

Thought I was going to finish around 22 minutes but the burpees were like a wall haha. Decided to just shoot for under 30

Comment #141 - Posted by: Richard Lawrence at April 14, 2010 10:42 AM

27:28 as rx'd

Comment #142 - Posted by: SB at April 14, 2010 10:50 AM

M/25/6'7/225

24:20 as RX'd with 55lb KB swings (apparently I do not know my Russian units of measurement)

Either way, PR by 2.5 minutes even with the heavier KB!

Comment #143 - Posted by: Jones at April 14, 2010 10:51 AM

27:35 had to sub weighted (15lb) jabs for wall ball, low ceiling. K2E on rings. Burpees...... more like pukies.

Comment #144 - Posted by: 0tter1 at April 14, 2010 10:52 AM

46 min 59 sec F/29/138/5'4" Had to sub box jumps for dubs for lack of rope and could only find 12 lb wall ball but the good news is I took 15 min off my last time (its been a while since my last 50)!Woot! Woot!

24# BJ
35# KBS
12# WB
Tuck jumps
rest as rx'd
=27:41
Yikes, slow time. Over 4 min off PR but I felt like I was going all out.
yesterday did 5 R, 21 sdlhp 70# and 21 dips. Amazingly sore even though I was not going for time.

Erin

Comment #149 - Posted by: in8girl at April 14, 2010 11:07 AM

32:56 (25:50 last time)
35lb DB swings
Knee to chest
Tuck jumps

Comment #150 - Posted by: Rory Mac at April 14, 2010 11:08 AM

Great WOD before heading to FLA tomorrow with the family for school vacation!

Plan on visiting a CF Affiliate in St. Pete, FLA.

24" box jumps
1 pood KB
knee "kissing" ground walking lunges
kipping K2E
45# bar push press
GHD back extensions
20# ball for the first 17 reps of wall ball until a 14# ball was free. I bet those 17 reps at 20# took me at least a minute if not more...shoulders were spent and I was getting 2 or 3 in a row before breaking!

Why didn't the south beach workout include a swim? Crossfit won't be cross until swimming is incorporated.

Comment #159 - Posted by: deano at April 14, 2010 11:41 AM

As Rx'd except for subbing 150 singles rather than 50 double-unders: 31:45

Knocked 4:30 off my last time!

Semper FI

Comment #160 - Posted by: WalkerBK at April 14, 2010 11:43 AM

32:42

Comment #161 - Posted by: John at April 14, 2010 11:48 AM

So question:

I just started CF, and I know that I'll have a lot of trouble with the workout.

Would it be more effective if I scale down the weights/reps (so do only 25 double-unders or do the push press with 25 lbs) or should I go for the prescribed weights until I hit 50 or exhaustion?

Comment #162 - Posted by: Miz at April 14, 2010 11:48 AM

As Rx'd!!!

M/38/210#/6'2''

42:31 - Yes!! The 1st time I did this I split it into 2 x 25 of each and used a shorter box but this time I did it damn it yes!!!!!!!

Comment #163 - Posted by: Brian Coble at April 14, 2010 11:49 AM

21:09
substituted back extensions for roman deadlift 1 pood KB
I had to build a plyo box this morning to get this one done

Comment #164 - Posted by: Ray Felix at April 14, 2010 11:50 AM

as rx'd-ish (had to use 2x 15lb dumbbells for KB swings)

22:13, a little off of PR

Comment #165 - Posted by: Jon-David at April 14, 2010 11:51 AM

34:12

Comment #166 - Posted by: Jon at April 14, 2010 11:52 AM

38:36 last time 29:38

two sets of wall balls w/10lbs ball

complete disaster, I strained my lower ab last night(I hope, so it isn't anything worse). Also forgot to start stopwatch until after box jumps so had to start over. Only happy that I stuck with it. Like I said a total disaster.

Comment #167 - Posted by: jc at April 14, 2010 11:52 AM

knees to elbows were tough. Probably only did 15-20 true knees to elbows. Also, only had a 10 pound wall ball.
34:01 PR by 6 minutes

ITS A BOY ,Wife and I had our son Adam today what a joyful day , my son and a killer workout, had to do the workout in celebration of the day. Will remember the pain of the workout and joy of him forever!!! Like always thanks CF!!!

Comment #174 - Posted by: KRONICK at April 14, 2010 12:22 PM

48 / 179

First WOD 6 weeks post clavicle fracture surgical repair

NOT as rx'd
started with 15 minutes on stationary bike (6.13 miles)
did not do jumping pull-ups, KTEs, or burpees.

time - 39:40 (time on bike included)

Felt good to do something other that air squats, back extensions, bike ride, and GHD sit-ups

Comment #175 - Posted by: Tom Perry at April 14, 2010 12:25 PM

24/m/5'10"/175

37:16, as rx'd, second crossfit workout, lovin it!

Comment #176 - Posted by: Jake M at April 14, 2010 12:32 PM

Carole
F/51/5'6"/133

29:18 (PR)

Big PR. Only sub was a 5 kg wall ball. Previous PR was 31:46 with a 20" box, this time 24" box, and faster. Very happy.

Comment #177 - Posted by: Kevin C. at April 14, 2010 12:32 PM

didn't do last time, before that pr was 30'45, with some subs.

first time with all the equipment, though wall ball was only about 2.5m (ceiling)

time: 26'21

Comment #178 - Posted by: ccfeldt at April 14, 2010 12:34 PM

Filthy Fifty Rx'd 29:12, PR by 3+ minutes!

Awesome. A shout out to Dave T. #19 at 6:36 pm - the 20-8-7-6-5-4 breakdown REALLY helped me stay focused and positive especially on the harder ones (KTE's and burpees).

Breaking 30 minutes on this has been a long-cherished goal of mine. Happy to finally get it.

I really think the only change for women's RXed for this would be 20" box and 14 lb. wall ball. Everything else is probably the same--at least, as far as I have seen at different affiliates where I've seen this.

i did all 50 wallballs unbroken and it murdered me for the burpees. definitely not a good idea. the only things that weren't unbroken were k2e's (which i probably coulda gone a little faster on), burpees, and double unders. mark my words: sub 15 next time!

I felt like I hit the wall hard on burpees. That is where I am going to have to find that extra minute and ten seconds to get under 20 minutes. This was a big PR for me though since I have been hanging around the 23 minute mark for about a year and a half now. Glad to see some movement finally.

26:42!! PR'd this one by over 15 minutes from the last time I did it!! Rx'd!! And met pukie! blah...took almost a full hour for my tummy to feel right after. So much for having my timing for food and crazy ass wod's down pat! :P lol

as r'xd time 22:22.(Easy to remember tonight, thanks Claire).
This is a serious WOD. Really pleased for everyone at Funct Fit who managed the old r'xd (myself included). It shows that all the hard work Mat and Claire are putting in for us is really paying off. On behalf of us all you coach I would like to say you are the true Top Guns.

42:19! pathetic! where is my sub 30 on this wod!! I hit a wall at the burpees,every time!!!I met pukey too!! I started with a good pace and hit a wall! My endurance is not where it should be on this wod!!! Frustrating!!!

30:38(PR)
SUBs- DB swings 35lbs for kettle, Thrusters 45lbs for wall ball.
I fell apart at the end for sure. It took me 10 mins to complete the burpees and the DUs. My arms were fried and I could not get the rhythm going on the DUs. But I still managed to shave off 3 mins from my last time.

I hate to be rude but when a door to door salesman walks up to your garage gym while you're in a set of Burpees and just doesn't get it when you tell him "No thanks, I'm busy." You just have to be rude.

19 Rounds. Had hoped to break 20 but it wasn't to be today. I liked the WOD, though.

Comment #330 - Posted by: Dan D. at April 15, 2010 4:11 AM

M/33/142lbs/5'5"

20:33

Comment #331 - Posted by: Brandon Burritt at April 15, 2010 4:15 AM

Mark
28:08
subbed 45 lb good mornings.

Comment #332 - Posted by: Mark & Theresa at April 15, 2010 4:30 AM

M/23/5'10"/175#

Felt a lot better this time around, but those damn burpees took me almost 8 minutes.

29:44

Comment #333 - Posted by: Jamesie LTF at April 15, 2010 5:11 AM

35:45
as RXed until only 18 Burpees and 100 jump ropes.

m/48/6'/200lb

Comment #334 - Posted by: stuart at April 15, 2010 6:01 AM

1st time doing this - but i mixed them up to get through them - so not officially the routine
time was 30:33
kettleswings 20 lbs
ball was 10 lbs
struggle with knees to elbows and jumping pullup but will get it eventually
push press - used 37 lbs

This was my first ever CF WOD so I subbed:
20" box jump
25 lb dumbbell for 1 pood kettlebell
10 lb medicine ball for wall balls
Could only do 10 KTE with my knees making it to my chest, then the rest I modified with just pulling my knees up.
The rest was as Rx'ed

Big improvement on last time but disappointing to miss my goal (<30 minutes) b/c of confusion. Next time can definitely cut down on thruster and burpee time. Fairly amazed at how well I did the double unders.

Worked 24hrs again with very little sleep and really suffered on this one didn't finish this time and my time was Getting near my or of 32 something maybe it's because I had my boots on this time stopped time at 31:20 but finished wod after I stop the time just at a slow pace

29:35
Tough workout.
KTE were tough, are we supposed to use power slings for hold ourselves up of hang from our hands? I don't have the slings but am thinking about buying them after this.

Comment #409 - Posted by: Hunter at April 16, 2010 7:05 AM

M/30/170/5-11

29:47 rx'd.
Over 2 minutes short of my PR. Don't want to talk about it. However, I have had several good days and good performances over the last couple of weeks, trying to shake it off and realize I can't perform at peak all the time... and not to make more excuses, but I recently moved from Houston to Albuquerque and am still getting used to the 5000+ft elevation, I am having a hard time controlling my breathing, I'll get there, but it is having an effect.

Was a little disappointed to come in slower than last time, but I think I may have skipped one of the exercises last time (at least that's what I'm telling myself). Back extensions were a little awkward upstairs using the Swiss ball and the cable lat pull-down knee pads as my foot stop. I guess I'll take it considering my extended break for tendonitis.

Comment #429 - Posted by: Bphantom at April 17, 2010 6:49 AM

sub'd 45lb thrusters for wall alls and sub'd butt kickers for dbl unders. all else as rx'd. 27:49, not extremely happy with this but did it 2 days after the 135 dl, clean pp workout. Burpees just suck.

Holy crap! What a huge improvement from my last Filthy 50 (35:30)!! The one in November was one of my first 10 Crossfit workouts ever, and the difference that about five months has made is incredible! Probably gained about 5 lbs of muscle and lost 10 lbs of fat since then. Thanks everyone who runs this awesome site and keeps this community strong.

M/ 36/ 132 lbs/ 5'-6"
As Rx: 23:03
Great WOD... the only thing I did was to use only a 10 lb med ball but I threw it up about 13 plus feet high to try to compensate.. I am still working on getting a 20 lb ball talking with the gym staff. I was hammered on my burpees.

m/36/5'9/177
CFWU-2. 12 pushups instead of PU 2nd. Shortcut-length of workout. Superman. Burgener.
29:38 w/DU - for first time.
Little too much space for jump on jumping PU. Feet barely touching floor.
Burpees still very tough & broken. Mostly sets of 5. Came up on toes instead of heels for many of the reps.
11/8/09: 31:30
7/19: 28:11
4/23: 29:50
12/19/08: 28:50
See 7/19/09: for further history.
4

Total time = 25.54 Avg HR 76%, cal = 527
hr delta =176-119=56 on floor.
Box J were slower than last time, better standard this time. Jumping pullups were not correct, had to jump 12" to get to bar...last time 90s, this stime about 2 min slower, lost a lot there. Rest was similiar, lug nuts comming off during burpees, need to be better at those. All in all a pretty good effort, with better form or way too much... Oh well.

Improvement of 1:28 since last time (28:38), but still off of my PR by 2:30 (24:40). That was a long time ago.

A big factor is the Florida heat and humidity I think (86 degrees). Kind of felt like I was burning from the inside out. I need to learn to drink a lot more water before going out there. Not an excuse by any means, just noting for next time in hopes of a PR.

JPUs, KBSs, Lunges, and DUs were all unbroken. Probably half of my time was spent doing the damn wall balls (sets of 10) and burpees (painfully slow 1 by 1). If I can improve upon just those two movements I would destroy my times.

I was so close to sub-20. Really thought I had it, I was 12 minutes on the dot after back extensions. Maybe could have pushed harder through wall balls. I took burpees slow and methodical, and didn't rest much during the breaks; mostly I just wanted to start a different set of counting. I had hoped the 21-15-9 would take my mind off things, but I was in a world of hurt through most of this - dancing big time with Pukie. Was at 19:06 entering double-unders, but felt like ass and just couldn't string them together at first. I was on the ground for about 15 minutes after this one.