For the record; Void is doing a great fucking job with his label, and I have done deals with him from the early beginning and I have never, ever experienced him being nothing but honest.

that's not the point here;

alexyorkalive wrote:

You can't walk into a trendy pub in centre of town, ask for a glass of their best Shiraz and demand only to pay 50 cents for it. Or, as the case may be, approach 50 pubs, ask them to actually POUR YOU A GLASS of their best Shiraz, sample them all, then pay 50 cents for the one you like the most and throw the rest in the sink.

I care about the web design and graphic design industries because I have friends and colleagues within it and I used to do it myself until fairly recently. I care that we're in a recession and it's extremely hard for good, skilled people to pay the bills or for newbies to get a foot in the door (without being taken advantage of like this).

You can't walk into a trendy pub in centre of town, ask for a glass of their best Shiraz and demand only to pay 50 cents for it. Or, as the case may be, approach 50 pubs, ask them to actually POUR YOU A GLASS of their best Shiraz, sample them all, then pay 50 cents for the one you like the most and throw the rest in the sink.

that is, though.

Yea but you can if you tell the pubs what you're doing first and they agree to it.

For someone to get this worked up about something they are not involved in, speaks of some massive insecurities and a need to prove themselves. On an internet forum. I got tired just reading this._________________

Here's the thing; the original artist who has half-completed the design for the new website has been out of contact for months due to illness. DMP are rightly pissed off because they cannot do anything about it, have important deadlines to delivery this by and because getting in contact with the original artist to work around the problem is not currently possible.

They need a complete job done as soon as possible because of these deadlines and thus they need someone who can act fast and appropriately (if they accept the conditions), not professionals to be labouring for months, feeling under appreciated and underpaid and then complaining about it on forums when the choice to accept the conditions was theirs to begin with._________________Exitium: Closed until summer MMXV

I don't side with that Alex York dick in the slightest, but from what you're saying it would make MORE sense to pay a professional who would be more likely to do the job promptly and efficiently under the terms and conditions required.

For some student who doesent pay taxes from the income and needs to get some work to his CV, this doesent sound bad at all. Or maybe I missed something?

What you pay is what you get. Its all about doing the work with professional or with amateur. And if Void mentioned the price beforehand, where is the problem? If someone isnt interested then they can go to next customer and see if they are willing to pay more.

Alex sounds like he have already done the work and just heard that he gets "only" 500 for it. Had to read it twice what he is cruing about._________________Mors fennico more

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