Truth is....tons of the guys were acting like that. Heck.....Bogomolov came within a couple of feet from hitting a line judge with his racquet.

Acting negatively in the moment doesn't necessarily mean you won't win. The difference is whether you carry it with you.

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Originally Posted by Tcbtennis

I watched this 2nd round qualies match and what I saw was negativity. It was only the second point of the match when he was called for a double fault and his body language and attitude was affected. In my opinion, letting that call bother him made him play a low quality game. He lost his serve at love or 15 without his opponent having to do anything. I don't know if he has always been negative on the court or it is a result of having a really long bad spell. You can have all the talent in the world but if your head isn't right you will not live up to your potential.

It's one thing to yell out if you double fault. It's another to let it carry on and affect you for much of the match.

Acting negatively in the moment doesn't necessarily mean you won't win. The difference is whether you carry it with you.

It's one thing to yell out if you double fault. It's another to let it carry on and affect you for much of the match.

I absolutely agree with you. You have to have a short memory in tennis. Right after DY plays that poor first game where he was upset about a double fault call he walks on the changeover right to the area on the court where his double fault was called and has words with the chair umpire about it. I was surprised. 2 or 3 points were played after that double fault call and the score was 0-1 in the first set (not 5-5 in the 3rd set) and he played poorly in that game but he was still thinking about that call.

Murray is a perfect example of a player who complains about everything (not much anymore now that he has Lendl in his players' box) and can have poor body language. But he is #3 in the world so obviously it doesn't negatively affect him. DY is struggling and he needs to fix his mind.

DY has been playing professionally since he was 14 years old. So not letting bad calls affect him is not a new concept to him. I have 2 kids that play junior competitive tennis and I am constantly trying to get 1 of them to not let her emotions get the better of her during matches. It doesn't help her performance at all. DY desperately needs a new team around him starting with saying good bye to his mother as his coach. After all these years there is no way he can listen to his mother (or father) and really truly and wholly embrace their coaching especially since the results have been so poor. Someone once told me (in regards to my kids) that in order for them to improve in tennis they needed a coach that they would be willing to run through a brick wall for. Murray has that with Lendl. I doubt DY has that with Mom.

Mom would probably run through a brick wall for him, though. It's hard to leave someone you trust completely for an unknown quantity. In some ways it would be breaking up the family.
Sharapova's dad worked his way out slowly - if Mom doesn't want to leave, it's really hard for DY to fire her.

Mom would probably run through a brick wall for him, though. It's hard to leave someone you trust completely for an unknown quantity. In some ways it would be breaking up the family.
Sharapova's dad worked his way out slowly - if Mom doesn't want to leave, it's really hard for DY to fire her.

It's definitely a difficult situation. There is no one out there who would have his back more than his mother. After all the trials and tribulations especially with the USTA the Youngs probably have an "us against the world" attitude. I don't think that Donald would fire his mother. It would be up to her to make that move, I think. As a tennis mom I can tell you that you live and die with every match your kids play. There are no fans or cheerleaders as there are in team sports. You are it. You comfort your child who is crying and crushed after a tough loss. You are the one celebrating, giving high fives after a great and hard fought win. I've seen high level junior match where a kid loses a tough match and tells his mother to "leave him the hell alone" and she does. In my opinion that's what a parent should do especially when the results have been poor. Donald needs a coach to tell him to "shut the hell up" when he starts to whine. Someone he respects and will listen to. I bet that is what Lendl told Murray. I used to hate Murray for his whiny, mopey demeanor. When Lendl is in Murray's box, you don't see that behavior. Murray can focus on his game and on the new aggressive style they have worked on together instead of moping about a call that he didn't like.

As you wrote, Sharapova replaced her dad as coach. So did Serena and Radwanska. We are all still waiting for Wozniacki to do the same. I'm hoping that Donald will also. After watching him play live, I know that he needs to change something. Remember the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

It's definitely a difficult situation. There is no one out there who would have his back more than his mother. After all the trials and tribulations especially with the USTA the Youngs probably have an "us against the world" attitude. I don't think that Donald would fire his mother. It would be up to her to make that move, I think. As a tennis mom I can tell you that you live and die with every match your kids play. There are no fans or cheerleaders as there are in team sports. You are it. You comfort your child who is crying and crushed after a tough loss. You are the one celebrating, giving high fives after a great and hard fought win. I've seen high level junior match where a kid loses a tough match and tells his mother to "leave him the hell alone" and she does. In my opinion that's what a parent should do especially when the results have been poor. Donald needs a coach to tell him to "shut the hell up" when he starts to whine. Someone he respects and will listen to. I bet that is what Lendl told Murray. I used to hate Murray for his whiny, mopey demeanor. When Lendl is in Murray's box, you don't see that behavior. Murray can focus on his game and on the new aggressive style they have worked on together instead of moping about a call that he didn't like.

As you wrote, Sharapova replaced her dad as coach. So did Serena and Radwanska. We are all still waiting for Wozniacki to do the same. I'm hoping that Donald will also. After watching him play live, I know that he needs to change something. Remember the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Pretty good stuff. Big difference between all those players you used as an example and Young. But you're right about his mother needing to lead the way.

All those players however had achieved consistently outstanding results on tour. Young struggles year in and year out with little to show for the effort. Should have listened to the USTA's advice years ago. They tried to help.

Seems that the Young's have decided to show the world something, stick together no matter what happens. Hey if they're happy what can you say?

Seems that the Young's have decided to show the world something, stick together no matter what happens. Hey if they're happy what can you say?

Yes.....he has made $1,396,941 so far in tournament winnings, so its not as though hes been woefully unsuccessful. But, Im guessing thats still small peanuts compared to what he would like to have achieved by now. Having been a pro since 2004 according to his ATP bio, that means hes averaging ~$175k/yr, which after expenses, is probably not exactly living high off the hog, but not a bad living either.

I think many folks feel he has the talent though to have earned several multiples of that. I am no expert at talent evaluation, but seeing him in person its obvious hes got big time wheels, is very athletic, and does have some big shots. His serve has a "quick release" vibe to it, which at least to me, almost has a Roscoe Tanner look with it seeming as though his striking the ball on its way up.

Yes.....he has made $1,396,941 so far in tournament winnings, so its not as though hes been woefully unsuccessful. But, Im guessing thats still small peanuts compared to what he would like to have achieved by now. Having been a pro since 2004 according to his ATP bio, that means hes averaging ~$175k/yr, which after expenses, is probably not exactly living high off the hog, but not a bad living either.

I think many folks feel he has the talent though to have earned several multiples of that. I am no expert at talent evaluation, but seeing him in person its obvious hes got big time wheels, is very athletic, and does have some big shots. His serve has a "quick release" vibe to it, which at least to me, almost has a Roscoe Tanner look with it seeming as though his striking the ball on its way up.

If your on tour and making a GROSS of $175k I hate to tell you is terrible..........after travel and taxes and fees and expenses....etc he is lucky if he brings home 30% of that.

Even on the cheap staying in Europe for the spring summer circuit from late May thru end of Wimby going to cost you easy 7k month.

I agree it is not a fantastic living he is likely earning, but its still better than average on the tour and better than the average USA wage earner even if he takes home 30%.

All that said.....still well below what his potential might indicate. And....I suppose that may ring true for many of us in our "regular" work lives as well!

You may want to look over those numbers again. $1.4 mil over a 9 year career is about $160,000 per year. Expenses run about $140,000 a year. Perhaps his expenses have run a little less because he doesn't get very deep in draws, and has generally had dismal success outside the USA. He's 38 and 86 in wins and losses on the main tour in singles, and the prize money also includes doubles.

I'm sure the Nike sponsorship paid well but your analysis of a 'comfortable living' may be a little off. But he is doing what he loves, and that is what really matters. For sure. He's living his own dream, which is cool.

Well...that and winning...professional athletes play to win as far as I know. Be all that you can be. Reach your potential. All that good stuff.

The sponsorship $ covers quite a bit. Expenses and more. Probably has done pretty well overall.

His [DY's contract at 15] Nike contract, sources said, pays for training and coaches and has much less money involved [Than Monfils' $500k/yr for 4 or 5 years]. If Young performs well, however, the deal would pay him handsomely.

Keep posting these updates on The Donald. Big fan of his! Too bad he not more consistent in the win department. Sorry now he has to qualify just to get into the main draw of a small tournament. That puts additional pressure on you as a tennis pro. You have to win two or three matches straight and then you need to win 1st round to make any money at all.