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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord

As more people going beyond 5 channels, I can see the need for external power amps may also increase. The Outlaw Mono block M2200 and multi-channel amps, as well Monolith's and Emotiva''s seem to be the most recommended amps on this forum.

For some strange reason, I cannot find my Adcom GFA555 in the basement. Instead of using just 1 of 9 internal amp channels of my AVR, I took advantage of the labor day sale and grabbed an Outlaw M2200 for $299. I can now understand why it get recommended so often. This thing is impressive for the following reasons.

- Huge pan cake transformer and it is hum free, much quieter than my already quite Anthem power amp.
- Sturdy build, well layout PCBs.
- Easy to place due to its low profile.
- Have balanced input, though I won't be using it.
- Have the music sensing feature, so I don't have to worry about triggering it.
- Runs cool, class G power supply does work well in this thing!!
- detachable power cord.
- Has power switch.

We all know for many movies, the center channel draws more power than any other channels on average, so it makes sense for me to use the 200/300W/8/4 ohms M2200 for the center channel, the Anthem 225WX2 for the L,R and the M8003 for the surrounds and heights.

The Outlaw mono block is affordable, and reasonably priced even when not on sale. For multi channel applications though, I don't think they would compete well with Emotiva and Monolith's 5,7 channel amps.

Audioholic General

As more people going beyond 5 channels, I can see the need for external power amps may also increase. The Outlaw Mono block M2200 and multi-channel amps, as well Monolith's and Emotiva''s seem to be the most recommended amps on this forum.

For some strange reason, I cannot find my Adcom GFA555 in the basement. Instead of using just 1 of 9 internal amp channels of my AVR, I took advantage of the labor day sale and grabbed an Outlaw M2200 for $299. I can now understand why it get recommended so often. This thing is impressive for the following reasons.

- Huge pan cake transformer and it is hum free, much quieter than my already quite Anthem power amp.
- Sturdy build, well layout PCBs.
- Easy to place due to its low profile.
- Have balanced input, though I won't be using it.
- Have the music sensing feature, so I don't have to worry about triggering it.
- Runs cool, class G power supply does work well in this thing!!

We all know for many movies, the center channel draws more power than any other channels on average, so it makes sense for me to use the 200/300W/8/4 ohms M2200 for the center channel, the Anthem 225WX2 for the L,R and the M8003 for the surrounds and heights.

The Outlaw mono block is affordable, and reasonably priced even when not on sale. For multi channel applications though, I don't think they would compete well with Emotiva and Monolith's 5,7 channel amps.

PENG, that’s a $1.50 pre watt! Doesn’t get much better than that! How are you liking that lil monster amp? When my XPA 5 decides to crap out, 3 of those will run my LCR channels for sure and let the AVR drive the surrounds just like your doing.

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord

PENG, that’s a $1.50 pre watt! Doesn’t get much better than that! How are you liking that lil monster amp? When my XPA 5 decides to crap out, 3 of those will run my LCR channels for sure and let the AVR drive the surrounds just like your doing.

I think a lot of the beauty of the M2200 is it allows you to put the power where you need it!
Also, make no mistake, the MX5000 is nowhere near the equivalent of multiple M2200's!
If you are truly going to use multiple channels, The Yamaha MX5000 is pretty much an Outlaw 5000 but supposed to drive 11 channels!?
If we look at Gene's comparable 5 channels driven measurements:5 ch 1kHz Psweep 8 Ohms 0.1% THD:
MX5000 = 138 Watts Outlaw 5000 = 139 Watts

Now, it is true that the MX5000 puts out 177/250 CFP-BW into 2 channels at 8/4 ohms and the Outlaw 5000 is rated at 170/230 under the same conditions (not a very big difference); however, the fact that the Outlaw (marginally) beats the Yamaha when 5 channels are running indicates that the $600 Outlaw actually has more capability from its power supply (transformer and capacitors) than the $2500 Yamaha MX5000. You would expect the 11 channel Yamaha to have a much, much larger power supply than the 5 channel Outlaw!
I'd imagine if you connected 11 speakers to the Yamaha it would not be pretty

@PENG (or anyone else),I am more than a little uncomfortable making these statements as factual - I am stretching my understanding of power ratings and amp design! Please do not hesitate to make corrections/elaborate! Thanks!

M Code

Audioholic General

As more people going beyond 5 channels, I can see the need for external power amps may also increase. The Outlaw Mono block M2200 and multi-channel amps, as well Monolith's and Emotiva''s seem to be the most recommended amps on this forum.

For some strange reason, I cannot find my Adcom GFA555 in the basement. Instead of using just 1 of 9 internal amp channels of my AVR, I took advantage of the labor day sale and grabbed an Outlaw M2200 for $299. I can now understand why it get recommended so often. This thing is impressive for the following reasons.

- Huge pan cake transformer and it is hum free, much quieter than my already quite Anthem power amp.
- Sturdy build, well layout PCBs.
- Easy to place due to its low profile.
- Have balanced input, though I won't be using it.
- Have the music sensing feature, so I don't have to worry about triggering it.
- Runs cool, class G power supply does work well in this thing!!
- detachable power cord.
- Has power switch.

We all know for many movies, the center channel draws more power than any other channels on average, so it makes sense for me to use the 200/300W/8/4 ohms M2200 for the center channel, the Anthem 225WX2 for the L,R and the M8003 for the surrounds and heights.

The Outlaw mono block is affordable, and reasonably priced even when not on sale. For multi channel applications though, I don't think they would compete well with Emotiva and Monolith's 5,7 channel amps.

Great amplifier...
Built by the OE factory (Taiwan) that builds the majority of the Parasound products. He also builds multiple channel amplifiers for distributed audio by SpeakerCraft. We know the factory owner well, he is an experienced audiophile. Over the years we have sourced various amplifier products from his factory...

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord

I think a lot of the beauty of the M2200 is it allows you to put the power where you need it!
Also, make no mistake, the MX5000 is nowhere near the equivalent of multiple M2200's!
If you are truly going to use multiple channels, The Yamaha MX5000 is pretty much an Outlaw 5000 but supposed to drive 11 channels!?
If we look at Gene's comparable 5 channels driven measurements:5 ch 1kHz Psweep 8 Ohms 0.1% THD:
MX5000 = 138 Watts Outlaw 5000 = 139 Watts

Now, it is true that the MX5000 puts out 177/250 CFP-BW into 2 channels at 8/4 ohms and the Outlaw 5000 is rated at 170/230 under the same conditions (not a very big difference); however, the fact that the Outlaw (marginally) beats the Yamaha when 5 channels are running indicates that the $600 Outlaw actually has more capability from its power supply (transformer and capacitors) than the $2500 Yamaha MX5000. You would expect the 11 channel Yamaha to have a much, much larger power supply than the 5 channel Outlaw!
I'd imagine if you connected 11 speakers to the Yamaha it would not be pretty

@PENG (or anyone else),I am more than a little uncomfortable making these statements as factual - I am stretching my understanding of power ratings and amp design! Please do not hesitate to make corrections/elaborate! Thanks!

I also think the Outlaw 5000 is as powerful as the MX-A5000. Aside from Gene bench test results, there are a couple more tell tale signs. The 5 channel Outlaw weighs only 6 lbs less than the MX-A5000, but both have "maximum" power consumption stated as 1500 watts. Basically the 5X120 W Outlaw weighs only 6 lbs less (50 lbs vs 56 lbs) than the 11X170 W Yamaha and both are class AB amps, and have the same maximum power consumption. I don't consider the MX-A5000 good value, it is not much more powerful than a flagship AVR.

Audioholic General

ADTG, Not really I’d have to go dig up the receipt, but I believe I purchased that XPA 5 somewhere between late 2011 or early 2012 sooo about 5 1/2 to 6 years old. ADTG, I’m going to try and clean up the cheese on it, like remove them ugly ass aluminum bars on each side. But who knows I may just sell it off on Craigslist and snatch up three of them monoblocks from Outlaw in a few months. I’m almost sure them RBH elites speakers deserve nothing less than that their own power supply.

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord

Great amplifier...
Built by the OE factory (Taiwan) that builds the majority of the Parasound products. He also builds multiple channel amplifiers for distributed audio by SpeakerCraft. We know the factory owner well, he is an experienced audiophile. Over the years we have sourced various amplifier products from his factory...

That hughe skinny toroidal pan cake must be custom wound for Outlaw right? I have many quite a few amps, all but one have toroidals, but none as big (of course in diameter only) as the one in the M2200, not even close.

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord

ADTG, Not really I’d have to go dig up the receipt, but I believe I purchased that XPA 5 somewhere between late 2011 or early 2012 sooo about 5 1/2 to 6 years old. ADTG, I’m going to try and clean up the cheese on it, like remove them ugly ass aluminum bars on each side. But who knows I may just sell it off on Craigslist and snatch up three of them monoblocks from Outlaw in a few months. I’m almost sure them RBH elites speakers deserve nothing less than that their own power supply.

Sorry Mike, it is not going to happen, power amps just don't quit so early unless you abuse them. Last year I recapped my Marantz SM-7 that is about 35 years old. The old large power supply caps still looked great, I measured them and the values were still almost exactly as specified, no sign of any leaks or deterioration at all, really amazing..

PENG, can’t disagree on the order, Parrsound has their lower end line of amps that are nice. They do throw them on sale once in a while. I use to follow Adcom, came close to getting one from them. I don’t believe no one that I know of outside of Crown that has a monoblocks with the build of Outlaws even at 399 it’s a killer deal.

Mike

M Code

Audioholic General

That hughe skinny toroidal pan cake must be custom wound for Outlaw right? I have many quite a few amps, all but one have toroidals, but none as big (of course in diameter only) as the one in the M2200, not even close.

The toroidal power transformer in the 2200 is manufactured by Chozeng Electric Co. located in TaiChung, Taiwan. TaiChung is located about 40 miles south of Taipei and has been in business 35 years. Their factory is very capable and is ISO9002 approved, they can build to all major electrical certifications UL, VDE, TUV and CE.
Here is a link to their factory..http://www.webb.com.tw/eng/products.html