Oppositional Defiance Disorder (What the HELL is this crap?!)

Most people hava natural disliking of jerks people who spin double talk and play ego games to try and gain a position of control to take advantage of
others. These exact same people who manage to rise to high positions in government will try and legislate laws that recognise the issue of defiance to
authority figures. The only way to deal with this is to call it for what it rally is crap. In a democracy is you dont like the away a government is
draft laws vote them out, and keep voting them out.

It seems to me that we have to medicalise bad behaviour in children these days, rather than blame poor parenting.

A lot of parents are under all sorts of pressures themselves these days, and their kids suffer as a result, discipline and compliance at home may be
non existent, with chaotic lifestyles, the children go to school, and are possibly for the first time in their lives, expected to comply and follow
instructions, which, they naturally rebel against, as it is alien to them.We then decide that the child has a diagnosable mental disorder that can be
treated with drugs...

Well, maybe this whole school thing isn't the way it used to be? Perhaps it's just like how obesity is becoming an epidemic. Our genes tell the body
to store fat for famines or for the winter. But that doesn't work so well anymore since famine and winter don't stop us from finding food. So we're
storing too much fat. Similarly, perhaps we're expecting too much of kids in our schools. It may work for some of them, perhaps most of them, but some
just simply fall behind. As a result, we're forced to react by medicating them. Just like how we medicate obese people or perform surgeries.

This also reminds me of computer games. Games, like life, tap into the learning process. In games - as in real life - we learn how to get a high score
or how to survive or how to reach the next phase in our goals. When we see that we have improved, we receive a big dose of dopamine. But games screw
up the risk/reward balance by focusing almost entirely on the shortest route. They do this by reducing the risk and by maintaining or increasing the
reward. Our brain was unprepared for all this. The brain simply does not discriminate finely enough to know the difference between gaining a level in
a game and gaining a level in real life. So what happens is people become addicted to games and do not perform the duties they need to perform in real
life to be healthy and prospering.

This happens because the pace of innovation is advancing beyond the ability of evolution to keep in lockstep. If innovation keeps on going at this
rate and evolution falls further behind, we will be forced to compensate even either by changing our genes or by artificially blocking or diverting
the damage so it doesn't do harm. We're entering a period of human-directed evolution.

The difference is that in the past evolution was more dominated by natural selection which changed our dna to what it's today. But now we're in an era
when dna doesn't evolve fast enough. Innovation is rapid. The rules are changing fast. So we're compensating and taking control before it kills
us.

Good points ! I agree entirely with you. The opposite side of slack parenting is what we call " Pushy parenting " in the U.K; where parents expect
too much from their children, and not necessarily for the child's benefit, just to massage the parents egos, " How well my child is doing " this
can also cause problems. I have heard of teenagers committing suicide, because they could not live up to their parents expectations...

I'm getting tired of hearing about everything being called an addiction too. I used to think it was kind of cute, for example, if an attractive women
said she was "addicted to chocolate" because I didn't for a second think anyone would ever take something so patently stupid seriously.

Now, people are "addicted" to everything. You're addicted to the internet. You're addicted to your food. You're addicted to porn. Next, we're going
to hear about people being addicted to snail watching.

And what's this all about anyway? Well, now we see. It's so they can take any "undesirable" (sound vaguely familiar, anyone?) behavior and classify
it as something that needs to be dealt with by force. Doesn't matter what you want or think. Nanny state knows best.

I do not agree with medicines against, although this thing should be considered a mental problem and the kid sent to some psychologist.

If a teacher asks the kid to open the textbook/not talk with others during the less and he tells her to f**k off and becomes angry, there is something
wrong with the kid...

Anger is normal reaction, although when a person becomes angry at things that are normal, he has a problem...

If a police officer tells you to pick up the trash you threw on the ground and you refuse, you have some mental problems...

I would have nothing against banning and fining hate speech. Even hate speech shows the utter unintelligence of a person and it should not be
considered free speech... Everything, even negative things and critisizing can be done intelligently debating and bring arguments without insulting
anybody and becoming extremely angry while doing it,

Do some research before you make a stupid post where you look like a fool.

Diagnostic criteria for 313.81 Oppositional Defiant Disorder
(cautionary statement)
A. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present:
(1) often loses temper
(2) often argues with adults
(3) often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
(4) often deliberately annoys people
(5) often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
(6) is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
(7) is often angry and resentful
(8) is often spiteful or vindictive
Note: Consider a criterion met only if the behavior occurs more frequently than is typically observed in individuals of comparable age and
developmental level.

Do some research before you make a stupid post where you look like a fool.

Now how did I guess a bunch of authority figures would fabricate a mental disorder centered around questioning authority figures and make up the
rules themselves?

It's not centered around that, and I have no clue what you mean.

(1) often loses temper
(4) often deliberately annoys people
(5) often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
(6) is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
(7) is often angry and resentful
(8) is often spiteful or vindictive

D. Criteria are not met if the individual is age 18 years or older.

Maybe you can show me authority figures in those symptoms, which are more than enough to be odd.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
Our society, especially our schools, are quick to label.

However, ODD is a real disorder. I've worked with children who truly have ODD.

It's not that these children are rebelling against authority (I work with young kids, 6-8). But they lose their collective cool when asked to do
something simple, like open your crayon box. This request has resulted in these children throwing extreme tantrums...throwing furniture, punching
holes in walls, biting, kicking, punching others, you'd be surprised at how much damage a small child can cause.

It is a real disorder, but I believe it's over-diagnosed.

This may be a "real" classification of behaviors. But the disordered behavior lies first with the parents. Children don't invent behavior - they
mimic it. Althought it is typically easiest to blame the child because they cannot intelligently defend their actions, were the family examined, the
behavior would easily be comprehended.

"I don't know where he learned that!" said the behaviorally-challenged parents.

If parents were allowed to be parents, they wouldn't have deviant children. I don't mean children who are just opposing to authority, I mean
children who are (as smylee described) ridiculous and defiant regarding nearly everything.

No offense, but that's why liberals shouldn't have children.

If parents were allowed to implement discipline anymore, it wouldn't be much of a problem.

But this disorder gives leeway to say that anyone opposing authority is mentally ill.

I think the problem is Chronicpsychologizing (CP) a condition that effects primarily professionally trained Blowhards

The onset may be linked to government grants and personal bank accounts ..

Exposure to these people is cause for concern as they tend to exhibit paranoid obsessive compulsive tendencies that they tend to externalize feelings
of inadequacy along with Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) and/or Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). The danger of Psychotic episodes
should be considered when interacting with these persons

Ok, I don't know if you follow medical news at all? Well, if you do you would of noticed that every time they changes or invent a term in the
medical/pharmaceutical field it gives them carte blanche to create a new drug to treat the "disorder" and profit from it. Example, heart burn is now
Acid Reflux Disease It's not a disease it's a condition. But
because they changed the term of some of the off the shelf treatment they have now become over the counter and/or prescription drugs.

Now, at an extreme, vaccine could come with "compliant" additives. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Disorder hahahha, WOW! cant anybody understand that some people are more angrier than others, people get angry were not freakin puppets that everyone
has to act the same, dress the same, talk the same. Wat the heck

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Alright, I admit, I may have jumped the gun making this thread...

I don't think you did at all. I believe the stage is set (and has been deliberately set) for the use of "mental illness" as a political battering
ram, a tool of oppression and a stepping stone to totalitarianism.

Does that mean mental illness doesn't exist? Not at all. It simply means that any fool can see where they're going with this crap and anyone who
denies it is simply dodging the issue.

Never apologize for making a prediction. If you're wrong, you're wrong. The sky won't fall if you are. The fact of the matter is that the vast
majority of people are too trusting and you're not hurting anything or anybody by refusing to swallow a bunch of psychobabble that's being twisted
into a tool of oppression.

Disorder hahahha, WOW! cant anybody understand that some people are more angrier than others, people get angry were not freakin puppets that everyone
has to act the same, dress the same, talk the same. Wat the heck

Yes, I understand that. A child who is truly ODD has unjustified (to the observer's) anger issues that are completely out of context to the
situation.

Let me ask you: do you work with children? Do you have a background in psychology, childhood development, learning, and brain based research? Have
you studied special needs children, talked to parents of special needs children, or have a special needs child yourself?

I'm not asking this to make you feel inferior, please understand. What I'm trying to get across is that people who have spent their lives studying
child development understand that ODD is a real disorder, and it is not caused by bad parenting. It is not normal teenage rebellion..in fact, ODD must
be diagnosed in young children. An adult cannot be diagnosed ODD.

An example of an ODD child I once taught. Keep in mind this is first grade, he's six. Very intelligent little boy, seemed to have a great home life.
Always quick to give folks a hug, loved to tell jokes, very loving child.

This same child would go into uncontrollable rages over nothing. Literally. I once asked him to close the window because it had started to rain. He
would scream "Never!" At the top of his lungs during his rages, throw desks and chairs, pencils, anything he could get his hands on. He would kick,
punch, bite anyone near him. There were days I'd leave work with bruises scratches, bite marks that drew blood. He managed to blacken the eye of one
assistant and knocked the tooth out of another assistant when they were trying to restrain him. Ad we had to restrain him when he flew into these
rages because he was a real danger to himself and others.

One time I had him restrained in the room we used for him. A restrain hold is basically the adult is sitting cross legged on the floor with the child
held against the body, child's arms are crossed on his chest and his legs are between the adults. Then you hold the child while he rages, trying the
entire time to calm him down with soothing words, rocking body movements, and breathing techniques. It works, but can take upwards of fifteen minutes
before the child calms down. Anyway, after he calmed down and I let him go, he turned around, buried his face in my neck, and cried his little heart
out. He kept asking me why he did those bad things when he didn't want to. Heartbreaking.

ODD is a real issue. However, I do agree that it is misdiagnosed and over-used.

Do some research before you make a stupid post where you look like a fool.

Diagnostic criteria for 313.81 Oppositional Defiant Disorder
(cautionary statement)
A. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present:
(1) often loses temper
(2) often argues with adults
(3) often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
(4) often deliberately annoys people
(5) often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
(6) is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
(7) is often angry and resentful
(8) is often spiteful or vindictive
Note: Consider a criterion met only if the behavior occurs more frequently than is typically observed in individuals of comparable age and
developmental level.

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