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White Working Class

The White Working Class would mostly support the idea of Socialism if it was preached to help everyone understand who the real enemy is. The capitalists are mostly people who regardless of race go and exploit the working class, be it the middle class or lower class.

By organising? I'm a little confused to your question. How is organising this part of the working class different to other parts? You organise, you educate, you agitate. This is what political parties are for.

Now, if a political party has an issue attracting certain parts of the working class (say, a minority), I would argue it needs to reflect on its workings. It is quite often the case that parties are dominated by males (white ones in the West). This is an issue on the left of course, which aims to facilitate self-organisation of all of the working class. Quotas are an often cited solution to this issue, but I think they only attack the symptoms, not the causes (read this article for more info).

In any case, I may not understand your question, so please elaborate. What exactly do you aim to achieve and what are your perceived hurdles of getting there?

By organising? I'm a little confused to your question. How is organising this part of the working class different to other parts? You organise, you educate, you agitate. This is what political parties are for.

Now, if a political party has an issue attracting certain parts of the working class (say, a minority), I would argue it needs to reflect on its workings. It is quite often the case that parties are dominated by males (white ones in the West). This is an issue on the left of course, which aims to facilitate self-organisation of all of the working class. Quotas are an often cited solution to this issue, but I think they only attack the symptoms, not the causes (read this article for more info).

In any case, I may not understand your question, so please elaborate. What exactly do you aim to achieve and what are your perceived hurdles of getting there?

the serbian white working class has long been neglected.... lol obviously

I think its amazing how every communist meeting is 100% black and brown people nary a white person in sight, they must be afraid

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What I meant was, how would it be able to get closer to the white working class. Where I come from, socialist state collapsed and was replaced by five capitalist regimes, all which are in debt and which can't provide their citizens with a lot of things the previous government could.

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To have a proper contribution to the topic, why are you so preoccupied with organizing whites? The last thing I want to see is a bunch of white folks being targeted for organizing.

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So why not just the working class? Why, in a white majority country, are you having a hard time reaching people who are white? I mean, without tailoring a message to this or that demographic, shouldn't there be a mix of ethnicities and genders that roughly align with the broader statistics who agree with you? If you're having a hard time reaching white folks in a 98% country, the problem isn't your ability to organize whites, but to organize at all.

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No, it's not that. The problem is, ever since the fall of the SFRY, socialism is basically repulsed by the majority as most people don't want to go down the path which led to the civil war that happened 20 years ago. Maybe I went overboard by saying white working class, I meant the working class in general here. Anyways, how would you recommend to start organizing?

Thanks for your response.

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“None of our republics would be anything if we weren't all together; but we have to create our own history - history of United Yugoslavia, also in the future.” ― Josip Broz Tito

If you're having a hard time reaching white people relative to other groups than doesn't that just scream something to you? Why is it that too often only black and brown people care about this stuff? Do white people have something to lose?

Of course they do. Because too often class and race are intersectional.

Well what can we do about it? We have to attack whiteness as a concept and impress upon the most vulnerable elements of the white working class the need to abandon whiteness in favor of their humanity.

We can't undermine whiteness by preaching to the choir, particularly when the proverbial choir are the one's "disrobed" by white supremacy. In my estimate, to strike at the heart of whiteness you have to go after the heartland - the rural folk. Do everything we can to foster class-consciousness among them - undermine their reactionism and you undermine whiteness, undermine whiteness and you undermine capitalism; set the countryside ablaze with class-consciousness and angry people. That's how we win this.

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I see, so preach socialism to the rural folks in the countryside? I see that working, but what about the city population, most of those people are already glad with their lives, no matter how shitty they are, because they don't want to get rid of the system that provided them with modern technology and today's lifestyles. I agree that our humanity comes first.

Btw, nice profile picture, General Berling is awesome

“None of our republics would be anything if we weren't all together; but we have to create our own history - history of United Yugoslavia, also in the future.” ― Josip Broz Tito

I see, so preach socialism to the rural folks in the countryside? I see that working, but what about the city population...

Peasant warfare. We surround the cities from the countryside. Most large cities have have a multitude of minorities living within - those are the ones we should focus on reaching...ignore metro-whites. They're the enemy. The minorities will in effect act as a Trojan horse when the lead starts to fly.

That's Lin Biao. One of the greatest Chinese generals the world has ever known. He was one of the men most responsible for bring socialism to China but was ultimately stabbed in the back by his comrades.

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Peasant warfare. We surround the cities from the countryside. Most large cities have have a multitude of minorities living within - those are the ones we should focus on reaching...ignore metro-whites. They're the enemy. The minorities will in effect act as a Trojan horse when the lead starts to fly.

Wait, are you seriously advocating that country bumpkins surround the cities and lay a seige upon them?

Are you a Maoist third worldist?

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Wait, are you seriously advocating that country bumpkins surround the cities and lay a seige upon them?

Are you a Maoist third worldist?

I doubt he even knows what that is, he's a victim of right wing rural persecution who is weary of the passivity of his local reformists. He envisions Lenin as Bernie Sanders with an AK-47. His cognitive dissonance is bemused by thoughts of mutual struggle against the so-called big big city liberals. So he dresses up in devil worshipers clothing and declares all knowledge is evil and the Communist manifesto is the most so. Please don't take this one's emotive doctrines as dogma they belie only a deep internal struggle that can only be conquered by devout instruction. Sourced from a place that can not only be directly challenged, but can dole out punishment accordingly. Which will only be greeted with the strictest adherence, loyalty, and child-like adoration purposeful only as cannon fodder, and just as lucid and coherent as your local suicide bomber