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Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

^ LOL...wheres the damn like button? Surely one can be considered to "work" off a beach, even if going fishing with a rod and reel? I dont think Nick had commercial fishing in mind.

Certainly not in a 16foot boat. She has about the same working space as my Peerie Maa at 18 foot over the stems. I could probably work a few crab pots, if they were the folding pattern made from bed angle and iron rod that my family fished out of Margate, perhaps a dozen or so. Hardly a commercial venture.

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Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

Originally Posted by Jim Ledger

It's a shame to see you resting on your laurels, Nick, when you could be leading us down paths yet unexplored. Such a tease you are!

Peerie Maa needs work.
The model was built as it would be full size for proof of concept for the build, I already have the calculations to know that the weight, buoyancy tanks, and hydrostatics are good. As discussed the rudder is the only grey area, but easy to fix.

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Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

Take good care of Peerie Maa!

Judging by her lines I think it would be hard to find a better boat in her size. I took part in shifting 3 bottom planks and the keel in a traditional doubleender and it was a lot less work than building a new one.

One more thing....... call me backward if you want....but why an outboard in a coble? It is a lot easier to protect the propeller of an inboard engine and with a largerly unprotected propeller the whole coble concept seems to loose it's point......or?

Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

Originally Posted by heimlaga

Take good care of Peerie Maa!

Judging by her lines I think it would be hard to find a better boat in her size. I took part in shifting 3 bottom planks and the keel in a traditional doubleender and it was a lot less work than building a new one.

One more thing....... call me backward if you want....but why an outboard in a coble? It is a lot easier to protect the propeller of an inboard engine and with a largerly unprotected propeller the whole coble concept seems to loose it's point......or?

That tunnel stern and engine well puts the propeller in exactly the same place as a prop on a shaft, without the need of a shaft log, stern tube and bracket.

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Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

Originally Posted by heimlaga

Take good care of Peerie Maa!

Judging by her lines I think it would be hard to find a better boat in her size. I took part in shifting 3 bottom planks and the keel in a traditional doubleender and it was a lot less work than building a new one.

One more thing....... call me backward if you want....but why an outboard in a coble? It is a lot easier to protect the propeller of an inboard engine and with a largerly unprotected propeller the whole coble concept seems to loose it's point......or?

1963 I used an outboard purely to save space for salmon netting.

There really s no need for all this rigmarole that Nick keep raking up.

A simple 7x3 inch slot through the ram plank a box to clamp the motor to strengthen by attaching to a thwart.

Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

I didnt see John Harris getting all this grief when he put an outboard well in a dory. Its no wonder he does not post here, and gets his design suggestions from customer feedback than so called knowledgable traditionalists.......

Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

Perhaps the people building these lightweight plywood models based on the looks of a Coble, do not intend to do any kind of fishing at all?

Although Paul Fishers boats look like excellent sailing dinghys they have a shallow forefoot and little of the form that makes an English coble a coble. Saw off the raking stern and it would just be another sailing dinghy.
I read that the Drascombe Lugger
was also loosely modelled on the coble.

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Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

^ True, he may well have seen that deep fore foot as a hinderance rather than an asset for most potential builders. Certainly more aimed at the leisure market. Given as Chippie point out, the hundreds of years of development, when does the development stop? Did the Coble meet its peak-performance in the latter half of the last century, or is there still improvements that can be made. I think much can be down to an individual user to decide. Much like Beer Luggers working off a specific beach, sometimes a design will come to an eventual peak......but materials change.
I would love to build a traditional Danish beach pram, but its weight, and build do not make it suitable for regular trailing or long periods sat on a trailer. I see little wrong with adaptations in the spirit of the original boats.

Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

I think that the development of cobles will diverge, if they continue to be built. Those working from harbours where they lay afloat will lose the deep forefoot, if they work nets that make the tumble home beneficial for bracing your thighs whilst hauling they may survive, otherwise there is no reason that they will not be replaced by conventional square sterned motor boats.
At the landings where they work off a beach, like Flamborough and Filey the tunnel sterned deep forefoot form is still ideal, so they will probably hang on whist they can be kept going, although at Filey they are also using flat floored double enders.
The historian in me gets a bit ticked off when the pleasure boat market hijacks a name from an historical boat design and applies it to a new design that may have a passing similarity, but really is a long way from the type.

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Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

I am glad that we all accept that we can have an opinion, i think that should extend to building a boat how you want. Practicaly speaking, i think the tunnel stern allows the engine to remain lowered while beaching, where as a hole in the ram plank would require the engine to be lifted, unless you had deep skorvels that grounded before the prop? Did you have to raise your engine while backing into the beach Chippie?

Re: 6 streak plywood coble design

Originally Posted by skaraborgcraft

I am glad that we all accept that we can have an opinion, i think that should extend to building a boat how you want. Practicaly speaking, i think the tunnel stern allows the engine to remain lowered while beaching, where as a hole in the ram plank would require the engine to be lifted, unless you had deep skorvels that grounded before the prop? Did you have to raise your engine while backing into the beach Chippie?

I think from discussion on an older thread that Chippy fitted bigly deep scorvels. IIRC his coble was a 20 footer that could stand it.

Originally Posted by Chris Noto

A lovely thread! So glad I found it. Thanks to all y'all who contributed to it.

No Wukkas!

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