President Trump’s personal lawyer sought to shrug off the scandal of Michael Cohen arranging hush-money payments to women who Trump allegedly had affairs, which were made to boost Trump’s electoral prospects in 2016.

“Nobody got killed, nobody got robbed… This was not a big crime,” Giuliani told The Daily Beast in a wide-ranging story Friday about how Jared Kushner became the White House’s point person with American Media Inc.

AMI, the owner of the National Inquirer, reached a non-prosecution agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York this week, which included an admission that the media company paid $150,000 to Karen McDougal to bury her story of an alleged affair with Trump.

Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison on Wednesday for campaign finance violations related to the hush-money payments, other financial crimes, and lying to Congress.