One of my pet projects that doesn't get the attention it needs... A Pernese Concordance if you will.

Can you add to the list? (I'll add your suggestion to the list)You do need to be able to tell us in which book you found your entry, so I can check it if your entry is queried. This is just a short list to begin with, with terms from Dragonflight.

Alehold: pub, tavern

Apprentice: student, lowest crafter rank

Beasthold: a cattle farm, also: stable(s)

Birthing woman: midwife

Birthing day: birthday

Black heavy water: oil

Black rock (Cromcoal): coal

Bloodline: genealogy, family tree

Breast band: bra, brassiere

Bubbly (bubbling) wine: champagne

Canine: (spit)dog

Carbon stick: pencil

Cartbeast: oxen

Cleansing sand: sand used as soap

Cold, the: winter

Cold season, the: winter

Cot: a (wooden) bed

Cothold: small house or primitive housing

Cromcoal: see: black rock

Distance viewer: telescope, minocular

Distance writer: telegraph

Dolphineer: a dolphin trainer

Draybeast: oxen

Drudge: labourer, servant

Drying cloth: towel

Espousal: engagement/bethrotal or marriage

Far viewer: telescope, minocular

Feline: cat

Fine viewer: microscope

Flamefly: firefly

Furs: bedding or blankets

Gitar: guitar

Glass smith: glassblower, -crafter

Healer: medic, physician

Healer Hall: like an academic hospital

Herdbeast: cow

Hop-it: hopscotch (a children's streetgame, in France called "marelles", in Germany "templehupfen", in The Netherlands "hinkelen", in India "ekaria dukaria", "pico" in Vietnam and "rayuela" in Argentina, to name a few examples.)

Klah: coffee-like hot drink

Looking metal: mirror

Marks: money, wooden coins

Nameday: birthday

Milchbeast: cow

Necessary: lavatory, toilet

Records: archives

River grains: rice

Runner: courier

Runner beast: horse

Sanding: lathering

Sevenday: Week

Shipfish: dolphin(s)

Sleeping furs: bedding, blankets

Snowstaves: skis

Spouse: a person's partner in marriage; husband, wife

Starsmith: astronomer

Stone-clean: bare, free of greenery

String-doll: a marionette

Sulfure sticks: Matches

Sweet oil: perfume

Sweet soap: sand used as soap

Sweetsand: sand used as soap

Tubers: potatoes (?)

Turn: Year

Turnover: New Year's Ever

Water grains: rice

Wherhide: leather

From Ruwin's post I left out:sea hold, the meaning of which I think is much broader than harbour and besides, the word harbour is normally used; knocked between, more an expression; and fellis which is not the word for painkiller but which is a plant.Ruwin, I am not tryng to build a mini-encyclopedia here just a list of terms that have Terran equivalents.

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Hans, there is the verbal phrase knocked out, in English, meaning rendered unconscious. It is related to out for the count, possibly. Knocked between can be read as the Pernese equivalent to that phrase, rather than as only a Pernese conception.

I would not say 'fellis' is a synonym for 'painkiller.' As Hans says, it's a specific plant. Behavior-wise, it seems to most closely resemble the opium poppy. (Does not pass up chance to plug her Pernese Herbarium.) The Pernese have other painkillers, like willow salic (better known on Earth as asprin), and numbweed, a topical analgesic. Fellis isn't something you give out for minor headaches.

I would say the Healer Hall is more the equivalent of a medical school/teaching hospital than just a hospital per se.

McClance; I don't like the "docter" thing but think you mentioned a good one with healer, so I changed it to medic and physician (as the colonists used those terms)

Ghyle, I know about knocked out but both expressions that are given are expressions, a way of saying something. There is absolutely no reason to assume that the "knocked out" isn't used by the Pernese, too

Keep 'em coming people; let's make this a LIVE thread

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OK, ok I'm crazy, I know. So I search all my digital files to see if "knocked out" was used in one of the Pern books

From The Renegades of Pern

Quote:

"Was Farli among the fire-lizards?" Piemur asked weakly, a healthier color gradually reducing his pallor."I didn't see her," Jancis replied."She probably went for help once I was knocked out.""To the Master Harper?" K’van asked."I suppose!"

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This could be read as an extension of the term (salad) greens to any edible leaf, such as lettuce and the like (but cress is also mentioned). I think, Hans, you may need to consider where the word hasn't changed, but been applied to new or other things.

R/l example: in Australia, the acacia is called a wattle, from its use in the early colonies in daub-and-wattle huts. The term wattle was applied to the tree, from its use in a style of building.

I thought a Cot was a small house - as in cottage
Cothold - an area of cottages - village
Cotholder - owner of said cottage

A wooden bed? Where does that reference occur?

Dragonsinger. Beside Dunca's littel house being called a cot, you are right at that, an apprentice bed is also called a cot.
I was under the impression that cot for small house wasn't Pernese but was used in regular English, too? Or is cot a new (shortened) name for cottage Anne came up with?

Quote:

Silvina gave her [Menolly] a droll look. "I could, of course, move all the furniture out, take down the hangings, and give you an apprentice's cot and a fold stool ..."
"I'd feel better about it ..." Silvina stared at her so that Menolly broke off, flustered.
"Why, you numbwit. You think I meant that"?"
"Didn't you? Because the things in that room are far too valuable for an apprentice." Silvina was still staring at her. "Having nine fire lizards is causing enough trouble. The room would be just grand, and if I've only the furnishings of any other apprentice, why, that's proper, isn't it?"
Silvina gave her one more long, appraising look, shaking her head and laughing to herself.
"You're right, you know. Then none of the others could quibble about the change. But an apprentice s cot is narrow, and you've the fire lizards to consider."
"Two apprentice cots? If you have them to spare?"

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Breast band = bra (Dragonsinger UK Corgi pg 135)
Underpants = knickers - same reference (or is that one simply a US/UK difference rather than a Pernese/Terran one?)

What do others think of "underpants", is it Pernese? Is it used in modern day English? It is the litteral translation of a man's underwear in Dutch
I'll wait adding this one, the other one I judge to be Pernese although it has been used on Earth, too. But that was long ago.

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Re: the breastband. Lily, I understand it wouldn't be the same thing as a bra, which is short fdor brassier right? But it would have the same function (keep the breasts from moving around) and that's what counts in this case.

As for the underpants, that means it is not a Pernese equivalent of knickers but that that particular British word hasn't survived and that people referred to underwear with its old name: underpants and shifts.

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Underpants is a common American term. We don't use knickers -- the term I mean, not the actual object!

Ooh, wait, we do use the term knickers, but with a different meaning. Here, knickers are short pants ending just below the knee, usually worn by little boys. Grown men wearing them would be laughed at (actually so are boys if they're over a few years old), and women wear capris instead (similar concept, but slightly different in style)

The term 'cot' however, is also used in many sea-faring novels, particuarly those set on ships when they were still made of wood.

Erm, I wasn't disputing that C_ris; sorry if I gave that impression. I just went to the online oxford dictionary and found even more than two (but the others were irrelevant) descriptions thna the ones we already had

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Throwing in a spanner (or a wrench), the word cot is widely used in the US to mean a small, portable bed that is light-weight and foldable. They are often used by campers and sometimes come in handy when a housefull of guests spend the night.

Baby beds are usually called either baby beds or cribs (yes, I know that to a lot of peeps a crib is where the corn is, not the baby)

There's a children's rhyme, which preserves it. I don't know its spread.

I see Paris, I see France,
I see [name]'s underpants.

Cheryl, the American knicker is a contraction of knickerbocker.

Re. cot.

It is also used for babies' beds

i haven't heard that rhyme in a long time. also there is an ave in new york city called knickerbocker and the New York Knicks is short for knickerbocker. the old name of the team was the new york knickerbockers.