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Do you really think he's worth 35 mill and 100kpw and would only sign here if he was guaranteed to bench one of our best 11? I doubt you think he's that good myself.

If he could be signed for 10-13 mill on 65-75kpw accepting he needs to establish himself here and knuckle down, would you deem that as a poor squad addition ? Or one worth making?

Using your quote to pose a question, which is open for anyone -

I posted earlier in the thread about not knowing what "normal" fees are anymore, particularly with "English" tax - we spent more on a relegated midfielder than on Torres, Ibe cost £15m for Bournemouth and so on - and TV money.

What are "normal" wages these days and for how long, given the TV deals, Champion's League etc? We see players on £180k - £240k per week and there are players above that as well. Ox can ask for £100k a week if Sturridge gets £150k a week to be made of tea-dunked biscuits and so on, whether that's "fair" or not.

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Can is supposedly on something around 55kpw (though will go up with the new deal) and Wij is on 90. Don't see how the Ox could ask for much more than that, seeing as how he's likely to play fewer games than Wij.

I posted earlier in the thread about not knowing what "normal" fees are anymore, particularly with "English" tax - we spent more on a relegated midfielder than on Torres, Ibe cost £15m for Bournemouth and so on - and TV money.

What are "normal" wages these days and for how long, given the TV deals, Champion's League etc? We see players on £180k - £240k per week and there are players above that as well. Ox can ask for £100k a week if Sturridge gets £150k a week to be made of tea-dunked biscuits and so on, whether that's "fair" or not.

It is an interesting question, firstly sturridges 150kpw was done when Sturridge had been in superb form and tied him down to the club post Suarez when most thought he would have played 30 of 38 pl games or akin, chipping in with 15+ goals a season. Sadly it's today now.

Ox is valued at 20mill euro on transfermarkt. His position though is very different to say a Coutinho been sought by Barcelona. He's more like a Joe Hart, Joe Allen, Wilshire. In that at his current top club he's not a key player. His options are imo move to a midtable club like Allen possibly Wilshire, or try get to another top club and work at establishing himself there over time. Many players who choose this option must take a wage cut, unless it's city who may pay the difference to get rid of adebayour etc.

He's in the last year of his contract and unlike a Sanchez or Suarez (maybe messi is a better example he's now entering his final year too) he's just not that valuable a player. So imo you'd treat them differently.
If a club offered you a small fee for Messi you'd be better of keeping him for a year nearly and let him leave if he doesn't sign up. Whereas with ox you'd imo be more likely to just say he wants to leave get something for him, like Allen or Wilshire. Keeping him or selling him will unlikely hinge Arsenal's chances unlike say Sanchez.

So imo we're in a strong position should he really want to come here. So should not overpay on wages or fee. Klopp is widely regarded as the best player polisher and it's in oxs best interests should Klopp choose to take him on. Ox is athletic but he needs a bit of work.

Our midfield 4/5 hendo, Can, Wiji, Lallana/Lucas have been good. Ox wouldn't usurp any position there imo. He'd get plenty of mins with extra games and injuries, rotation.

So that's how I'd view it with the ox. It could work out really well for him under Klopp like with Lallana, or with Hendo at DM. Also we're i hope trying to add in other areas. Say VVD, which by reports we'd be looking at £50 mill or thereabouts. With other clubs interested the wage needed to land him could be massive, potentially arriving as the highest paid player above Phil's/Studges 150kpw.

As a priority for what we need, and the interest in both players with respect, the reported fee for Ox just couldn't be justified against his likely position in the squad imo. We need some more numbers in midfield, whereas other areas are more in need of quality additions.

VVD, 50 mill, 150kpw+
Ox, 30 mill, 100kpw big win for arsenal , 30 mill for ox with one year left on contract
Ox, 10-13mill, 65-75 kpw. Win for us and him imo, reasonable win for arsenal.

Which bits? Kind of funny how you like to mock opinions on a football forum. Everyone has their own opinions some well supported others with hindsight not so, but discussion is the aim of the forum (even if some are less willing to make their opinions known). You've had a fair few whoppers of your own brc

Which bits? Kind of funny how you like to mock opinions on a football forum. Everyone has their own opinions some well supported others with hindsight not so, but discussion is the aim of the forum (even if some are less willing to make their opinions known). You've had a fair few whoppers of your own brc

None of mine come close to Lallana and Origi being up there with Suarez.

You're in a league of your own with that one, Whopper

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