or b) - a real corpse, recently killed from Afghanistan and used as a prop by dark forces.

Patsies or actors or a mixture of both. An interactive street play.

Apparently, the victim's regiment are in Cyprus. I could teach the children phonetically how to say that country: Psy-op-R-Us.

I've been leaning toward your B (perhaps meant to be C?) that this is someone who was already dead and used in this staged event - possibly to cover up his murder or possibly just to drum up support for the increased government snooping. It's frightening how quickly political agendas come to the forefront in these recent Psyops. A number of things don't add up:

1. Two-ish "muslim radicals" decide to send a message by killing a British soldier because soldiers are killing muslims. But these guys pick some random kid in some small street. He's not wearing uniform and simply had a military charity t-shirt on. If this was to send a message wouldn't they do this more prominently to an obvious soldier? Why this kid?

2. The total lack of blood at the scene or on the perp. His hands are practically stained red in an overt effort to make you believe it's true. But no signs of blood anywhere other than the hands and the weapons? Was he wearing a doctor's coat and took it off?

3. People just walking by. They even pass the "murderer" as he's giving his interview. Apparently they think there's just been a minor ruckus and the guy in the street must just be injured. Probably no pool of blood or anything to cause alarm. How is that possible if such a grisly scene just unfolded? Perhaps there was no stabbing at all, just a previously dead guy in the street and two suspects already made up for the scene. Then the media reports tell everyone what it was and even witnesses use that to fill in the blanks in their memories.

4. The guy waits for police while giving video interviews. The only explanation for this is that they needed to "put a cap on it." They couldn't have these two grisly suspects loose or you'd have to see a martial-law style manhunt as occurred in Boston. They delivered their lines as waited over 13 minutes for the police to arrive! Then they got shot, not fatally, so they could be removed from the scene. Perhaps even a slight-of-hand distraction used to polish up the original scene of the "crime" for the rest of the story to unfold.

If this turns out to be a true story I'll be absolutely shocked. None of it rings true from what I can see, though it smells more of a staged event than media fakery at this point. The victim seems real enough too. Already more emotion over this than all the parents of Sandy Hook combined!

The more likely scenario is that there are greenscreens used. As Simon has pointed out, the backgrounds are inconsistent from one photo to the next. So, they probably just filmed the guy as they would an interview, TV show or scene from a movie, on the corner of a regular street, somewhere in London. Onlookers and passerbys don't see anything out of the ordinary, just a guy giving an interview on a street corner. Blood on his hands added in post production.

Brutally hacked to death? Quite graphic? Well at least according to the talking head. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt-ySTx3xH8where is the blood? The amateur cameraman said the police took 30 minutes to respond? ? So is the 'terrorist' talking to a reporter or just a guy with a camera cell phone? These guys aren't as creative as I thought. They repeat the same blunders showing us scenes that obviously were taken in a studio with a combination of digitally created sims

As the preferred full nomenclature of Drummer Lee Rigby is cemented in across the media spectrum, the DLR (docklands light railway) station Woolwich Arsenal and it's locality may or may not be of significance.

With increasing evidence of the contrivance of most or all sporting events, and possible major event tie-ins, I think it is worthy of note.

Mr D.L.R. was a life-long Manchester United fan, a fact seemingly as relevant as his status of husband,father, brother, etc. etc. by it's incessant inclusion.

ruckus wrote:If this turns out to be a true story I'll be absolutely shocked. None of it rings true from what I can see, though it smells more of a staged event than media fakery at this point.

Dear Ruckus,

How do you define "staged event"? - and - how do you define "media fakery"?

In my book, if the imagery provided by the media to tell us a given story is demonstrably fake, I call it "media fakery". Nowadays, you do not need to stage any REAL situation on any REAL street corner. You just fabricate the imagery you need to tell a given story. Is this clear to you by now?

Here's the WHITE railing as shown on BBC:

Is it meant to be really, really WHITE? Yes indeed: here's a close-up shot of the same:

Well, here's the problem: the same railing is distinctly GREY on other images released by the media - and it doesn't even look much like the same railing at all, if you take a close look at it. So what does this lead you to conclude?

What happened, if anything, in Woolwich at 14:50 on May 22nd this year?

‘CGI vs Actors’ probably falls foul of the ‘either or’ fallacy. Media Fakery is a wider term that doesn’t declare a position on the method. But it doesn’t answer the question. It raises it.

I fink the area was evacuated before the alleged scene took place. There may have been a police car or two, perhaps a chopper buzzing overhead, and perhaps a car was smashed into a lamppost near the pub. Only those in the know were on scene – members of the Terrorist Police Squad, the Pyscho Bunch, or whoever. But there must have been some commotion there, no? Meanwhile, what’s been published and broadcast looks like a mix of CGI, montage and juxtaposition of content.

Ingrid the Mother (Naked Intrigue, Not!) I believe is a human being, as also the dude who plays the Homegrown Woman-trusting Conspiracy Theorist Maniac Muslim, but their films were made elsewhere. Young Joe Tallant, a van driver (according to the Telegrunt), also seems to be a fleshy human, and it appears that he did give an interview, staged in Drop-the-Dead-Comedy fashion in front of two milling coppers. But I don’t believe a word of him.

“As I come out the shop – I heard gun shots on my way out – I walked up to this, out the shop, and I see a surrounding of people, just everywhere, and I looked on the floor and I see a dead body, and I see one of the murderers walking round the body. My friend’s mum was walking up the hill, she walked over to the body sat down beside her[?], tried to comport him and that. One of the guys said, ‘I’m not… no man is coming near this body, only women’. And then they were telling people to call the police, the murderers were telling people to call the police…” And people looked up and saw a giant banking cartel dumping on them. Full interview available at Billy Bobs Cafe

There must be lots to see in this vid, but during the time in which Joey was in the shop, a car crashes into a post and a bloke is shot. Before the coppers arrive? I thought this was supposed to be a machete job?

Oh well. Not sure if that’s her club hand or his club foot, or what shape she takes when debagged.

Ok, so the shots were not supposed to have killed the victim that Joe alleges he saw, but still there’s a car crash, a man is dragged into the street and hacked to pieces with a butcher's arsenal, shots are fired and a big crowd gathers, all while Joe’s grabbing a bag of flying saucers.

Turns out that the publicity hungry Muslim convert was a student of Bond baddie Abu Hamza, the hook-handed Radical Cleric. Eye eye, Cap'n.

idschmyd wrote:Ok, so the shots were not supposed to have killed the victim that Joe alleges he saw, but still there’s a car crash, a man is dragged into the street and hacked to pieces with a butcher's arsenal, shots are fired and a big crowd gathers, all while Joe’s grabbing a bag of flying saucers.

Turns out that the publicity hungry Muslim convert was a student of Bond baddie Abu Hamza, the hook-handed Radical Cleric. Eye eye, Cap'n.

May I ask if the 'Bond Baddie' tag is one previously attached to this Hamza person, or just a reference by you?

Initially decided the message was as simple as "Watch Bond (movies)", but not aware of any impending new release.

Also, is the blue car seen with far heavier damage than a person would cause, and little evidence of requisite damage to the post it is situated in front of, a Vauxhall Tigra? If not, then it's a Ford Puma but I think it's the former.

My oh my, one must truly see it to believe it - or not as the case may be!

"A beautician who once dated one of the Woolwich killers said he was ‘lovely’ and just a ‘normal boy’.Justine Rigden, 26, is understood to have been Michael Adebolajo’s girlfriend for a year when he was a teenager.Her relationship with the boy known to his friends as ‘Narn’ ended before he adopted radical Islamist views."

Regarding the 'leaking fluids' from the car, I seriously doubt the impact of a person would, at a feasible city-centre speed, cause the damage seen to the car or rupture the radiator or hoses to cause such fluid loss.

Other hydraulics or oil systems are even harder to breach, and the post holding the sign does not show significant depression to account for it either.

I've seen dozens of those types of signs post-impact (heh) and they are quite sturdy but even when they don't buckle, there is compression of the cylindrical structure. The thick, grey paint, almost a coating, is liable to 'pop off' when this compression occurs, and an impact that does the damage seen to the blue car would see a large area of exposed, compressed tube - in my albeit limited experience.

A small point I know, but just another real-world defying characteristic to note.