Originally posted by crankyoldman
The answer is simple and people do know despite what the OP says.
You are here to have experiences that lead to and understanding of yourself.

Cranky Old Man .... the answer isn't simple and it's not known. Your thought that we are stuck in organic bodies that suffer in order to have
experiences that lead to understandings of ourself is fine. No one has a right or wrong answer. But other peoples answers aren't 'wrong'. No one
knows .... people can say they do ... but they really don't.

Let's take your answer - we are stuck in a human body to have experienced and to understand ourselves better. That's not a complete answer. WHY do
we have to understand ourselves better? What difference does it make and Who or What .. (if anyone or anything) ... decided that this was the best
way to understand ourselves better? etc etc

Originally posted by rickymouse
We actually have one of the best immune systems around....

Oh hon ... considering the number of people on this planet with autoimmune diseases ...
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. Seriously ... autoimmune sucks ... and it's
not because I didn't eat right or whatever. It's part of being a spiritual being stuck in an
organic body. The organic body feels wrong as a covering for my spiritual being ....

Okay .. that was spooky. An hour ago I just read something from Ramana's teachings as well as 'Seth Speaks" quotes. It's kind of chilling
when that kind of coincidence happens. That tells me I'll have to google up more on this ...

Originally posted by NiNjABackflip
There is nothing that shows that we are "something in a body". So I think your first presupposition is misleading. Therefor there is no purpose to
"us being in a body", since we are not in a body.

Out of body experiences that people have had, along with my own spiritual experiences tell me that I am indeed a spirit stuck in an organic body. If
you do not believe so, that is your right. As I said, no one's answer is wrong. I'm just asking for opinion. And your opinion pretty much fits
with one of the scenario choices that I gave in the opening post. So okay ... I'll mark you down as 'no purpose'.

Originally posted by crankyoldman
The answer is simple and people do know despite what the OP says.
You are here to have experiences that lead to and understanding of yourself.

Cranky Old Man .... the answer isn't simple and it's not known. Your thought that we are stuck in organic bodies that suffer in order to have
experiences that lead to understandings of ourself is fine. No one has a right or wrong answer. But other peoples answers aren't 'wrong'. No one
knows .... people can say they do ... but they really don't.

Let's take your answer - we are stuck in a human body to have experienced and to understand ourselves better. That's not a complete answer. WHY do
we have to understand ourselves better? What difference does it make and Who or What .. (if anyone or anything) ... decided that this was the best
way to understand ourselves better? etc etc

You say no one knows.

Then what a pointless question, and a pointless existence you are painting for yourself. How pathetic. Why waste your time seeking if no one knows.

Just drink, have sex, and die. Why seek bigger answers if you think they don't exist?

I have had OBE's and other experiences which I found impossible to describe or communicate. But one experience has left me utterly ignorant ever
since. I will explain it VERY briefly:

One morning, upon waking up and still in sleep paralysis, I attempted to slip out of my body. Typically this consists of tremendous vibrations and
body numbness , which enables me to phase out of my body or dissolve out. But on this morning, while simultaneously being aware of the activities in
my house, when the vibrations came on, I saw what could only be described as a portal through my eyelids.
The portal got bigger until I was now looking out of the eyes of someone upstairs in my apartment building. 'Being John Malkovich' sums it up pretty
well. She was looking out of her window, down at the trees in our courtyard. Except my version of her eyesight was extremely vivid. I could see every
single leaf, grain of dirt and blade of grass. I became so aware of the experience, my mind started processing it and my body began to wake. Portal
view...gone. Eyes open.

I began thinking, if I can leave my body, and collocate into other people while still being aware of myself..what am I? I'm obviously not my body, and
my mind has since erased that belief. But what am I?

That's when I understood the meaning of consciousness. That is what I am. Upon deeper introspection, I realized that EVERYBODY is this consciousness.
Consciousness seems to localize itself in every single human body. It experiences life from that body/mind. That each of us is a localized and
modified consciousness which, when out of the body, is ONE consciousness. But it is experienced through our individual and unique minds. We believe
that we are our only our minds and our bodies but we are not.

We are experiencing this world through an Avatar. And experiencing the World, seems to be the only purpose to 'life' as an individual being. That
every other meaning and definition we give life, is something we cook up in our own minds.

In my travels, it seems to me that being alive IS the purpose of life. That each of us, It seems, is the result of a consciousness which endlessly
desires to experience itself. So perhaps, the purpose of your life is being fulfilled every second of the day. Even though it doesn't feel or look
that way.

I say 'perhaps' and 'seems' because after that experience, I have a hard time believing that I know anything at all.

Your question implies that the mind must be broadcasting from somewhere.

Therefore, why don't you trace the signal and ask the Broadcaster.

Isn't it obvious?

Scientists are still working on that, and I don't have the technology nor the expertise to investigate that question. I think I will leave it to the
professionals. They seem to have done alright so far, and we still have thousands of years to devote to such studies.

Because no one has a direct link to the Creator (assuming there is one) to find out why we spiritual entities are stuck in organic bodies. So no one
knows the reason. I"m asking for opinions as to why people think we are stuck in organic bodies instead of etherial ones.

Then what a pointless question, and a pointless existence you are painting for yourself. How pathetic.

Don't tempt me ... seriously .... :shk:

Why waste your time seeking if no one knows.

As I said .. no one knows for sure why we spiritual beings are stuck in organic bodies ... but the thoughts people have on this subject could trigger
deeper thoughts and other questions worthy of a discussion forum.

Just drink, have sex, and die. Why seek bigger answers if you think they don't exist?

WTH?

Why be such a hypocrite?

What the hell are you talking about? Nevermind. I don't want to know.
This is a nice thread. Go be stupid elsewhere.

Be stupid?

Your logic leads directly to that end.

You want to have pointless discussions. You say no one knows, and yet you ask the question.

It's a stumbling block for you and for everyone that doesn't know.

But for those of us that know, we actually have life. But you claim to seek life, but you deny it over and over again.

If you continue to deny the truth, then you pointlessly seek higher understanding. There is no point in seeking if there is nothing to seek!

Why are you calling me stupid?

Pointless "high-minded" conversation is to be drunk with words, to be satisfied with mental masturbation, and to build a grave of the mind. For if
the information therein means nothing and has no merit, is it not dead already?

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