The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The
revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.

I don't buy it for one second. Suddenly, because they've been hacked aka found out and they need to release all their data they're saying all or
some or most of the original, un-corrected data collected prior to 1980 was destroyed to save space. They really do think we are all mugs.

So, had this data really been destroyed, why didn't they just tell those who'd submitted Freedom of Information Requests to gain access to it that
they couldn't supply the data because they no longer have it? Isn't it in the interest of science that other scientists have access to all data on
which conclusions are based? When I studied science at school, never mind University, my teachers would have given me very poor marks had I not based
my results on data my teachers could see and verify; further, had I provided no data they would have accused me of either copying someone else's or
of making it up. The most sickening part of all this is that so many scientists (a minority of all scientists, might I add) and politicians have gone
along with the University of East Anglia's conclusions without checking them. It is about as low as anyone can go - to look in the eyes of every man,
woman and child and tell them you know, without any doubt, that the world is dying, it is being killed by Man; to tell them that and frighten them
with bigger and better scare stories every other day without ever having checked the information makes someone beyond scum. These people are as bad as
any terrorist.

I've worked in government departments as-well-as worked for large multinational companies and within a few colleges. I can tell you that most
companies, government departments and educational establishments in the U.K store paper files off-site when they are no longer regularly required.
Important paper files are rarely destroyed - people do not destroy information that might be required for self protection or for gaining leverage
against competitors and clients. There's a large company called Pickwicks that warehouses documents for many government, educational and corporate
entities. Pickwicks is not the only file storage company. This University could not have destroyed this data unless it is (was) incriminating.

First off let me start with this...Global Warming is the biggest scam in the history of mankind.

There...I said it.

It's no surprise to see confirmation of this type of activity now, especially considering many of us knew it was happening back then. The entire GW
conspiracy has been nothing more than a political tool to control the masses since the start.

The data was mostly completely manufactured...and the real data than contradicted what they were saying was either destroyed or concealed.

This should be showing that these people have been hiding the raw data because their models have been rigged for their AGW agenda.

This also happened thanks to Roger Pielke, he asked for the data and was told that the original raw data until the 1980s was thrown out...

This means that more of the data of the past 150 years cannot be corroborated..

This is the most ridiculous excuse ever... You don't throw away raw data for most of the 150 years of recorded temperatures... You find some NEW
storage and keep it in case anyone needs to search for data from before the 1980s...

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Right. Those are the years before satellites. I argue that data from back then was to iffy to be relevant anyways, so if it did hurt their mythology
that makes it even more embarassing.

Not really IIB, the data that they threw away is most of the 150 years of raw temperature data until the 1980s when the records were thrown away.

In the 1980s we had satellites, not as many as now, but we had satellites taking temperature readings. in fact it was around 1979 that we began
taking satellite temperature readings, but before that we were taking radiosonde temperature readings by way of weather ballons since about 1924, but
have also HAD other records going back to 1850....

ALL that data was thrown away.....which is MOST of the raw data for the past 150 years.... We now have only the data since the 1990s until
today.......

But we know for a fact that during the 1930s there have been record temperatures that are among the WARMEST....

We know that AT LEAST 4 of the warmest years were in the 1930s...and there were also WARMEST years in the 1920s, and even before.

In a stunning turn of events data (quietly) released by NASA shows that the 4 warmest years ever recorded occurred in the 1930's, with the warmest
year on record being 1934 (not 1998). Lets see if Al Gore revises his road show. Update - Global Warming is actually a Y2K bug!

Data discovered on NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) website revises recorded temperatures for the United States. It is expected that
similar revisions will also be made for global temperature recordings. This information was discovered by Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit on Wednesday
(8/8/2007). No NASA press release, no James Hansen (head of GISS) announcement, nothing. Could it be because they don't want anyone to see it? The
data is certainly devastating for the Al Gore camp which has based much of their Carbon Credits sales pitch on recent temperatures (e.g. claiming that
1998 was the warmest on record).

Other aspects of the data are just as stunning.

Only 4 of the top 10 warmest years occurred in the past 10 years (1998, 1999, 2006)

Out of the top 10 warmest years half occurred before 1940

The years 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2004 were cooler than the year 1900

1996, just two years before what Al Gore called the hottest year in the history of the planet, was actually cooler than average.

1921 was the third warmest year in recorded history (behind 1934 and 1998).

news.yahoo.com...what gets
me is that they seem to be going ahead with their plans as if nothing has happened,where in reality this whole scam to rip the people off should be
scraped,and they should be focusing on the pollution that their industries are causing.if you remember years ago we used to demonstrate against the
poisons being put into our water ,air and food,then it all got switched to g.w. because they could make money off us

PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad – Leaders of the Commonwealth countries called Saturday for a legally binding international agreement on climate change and
a global fund with billions of dollars to help poor countries meet its mandates.

* Everything's dried up and communities begin to crack
2009-11-28T09:00-05:00: "If this is the Government's climate change policy," said one New South Wales cattle farmer, "then God help
NSW."
* China's climate pledge raises expectations for Copenhagen summit
2009-11-28T09:00-05:00: China has vowed to steeply reduce the intensity of its greenhouse gas emissions over the next decade, a move that the
Obama administration hailed as a decisive development toward agreement on a comprehensive climate treaty.

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ALL that data was thrown away.....which is MOST of the raw data for the past 150 years.... We now have only the data since the 1990s until
today.......

No, their copy of all that data was thrown away.

Seriously, use your head here. You're talking about global data. Do you think that Japan, for example, would send the original meterological history
archive, going back centuries, to a foreign university, in its entirety, no questions asked, and without keeping a copy on hand?

Of course they bloody wouldn't. No one would. They'd send a copy.

This data still exists. Even that which is not being used by universities and research institutes still exists in government archives around the
world. Even if all of those things were to go up in flames, you'd still be left with newspapers to pile through to get your records for the past 150
years.

So, the actual readings were dumped BUT the adjusted data was retained...Sounds like BS to me. Global Warming has become a vehicle for a lot of things
in which many have nothing to do with little else except placing money in pockets and furthering agendas based on sketchy pesudo science. The planet
has warmed and cooled for millions of years and that isn't disputed. Matter of fact its an accepted fact. However many of those involved with climate
forecasting are pitted against people who largely have political motivations for a variety of reasons with some being: grants for studys providing
they go along with the global warming theory, acceptance of the larger clique which provides greater benefits, peer pressure and the list goes on. But
scientists can't agree on the studies & numbers because the studies are swayed by these politicos who have become more concerned with being
politically correct than providing real science. I believe that sure, the planet more than likely is being harmed to some degree by all of the crap we
put into the air and atmosphere but the solution isn't going to come from Al Gore or his followers who are just po'd cause he didn't win the
presidency and now have rallied around him like some climate guru in which he simply isn't. I mean, its the same man who claimed he "invented the
internet" so if thats the kind of leadership the global warmers accept, then their data must be skewed to say the least.

Climate change data dumped

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of
global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150
years.

(visit the link for the full news article)

What an OUTRAGE!!! How dare these charlatans claim they had to delete those files to save room. The mere fact they admit to deleting those files
proves beyond any reasonable doubt they planned to LIE!!! What an OUTRAGE!!!

No one, and I mean no one in my government, (THE USA Government), had better attempt to pass any global climate change bills until this absolute
betrayal of the ENTIRE Science Community is resolved! If there is not a complete denunciation of this ENTIRE College and the Entire Climate Change
movement by every single Scientific field across the board, then the world will know without question these charlatans tried to destroy honest
scientific work around the world and have totally and completely destroyed our trust we have mistakenly given that entire community.

We should demand a complete and total investigation. Every State in the United States should start their own investigation into this entire sorted
affair, I realize this happened outside the USA but their dishonesty affects the entire world... let alone how long has the entire Scientific
community been lying!! How can we trust these scientist about anything now, how can we trust them about anything?

That college has made a mockery of the ENTIRE Science community... and if the Science Community does not come out and completely and totally condemn
all of these latest revelations, regarding the lies, deceit and the complete betrayal of the entire worlds trust... and now this despicable act
committed by that college... then the whole entire science community will be damned for a very long time and rightfully so!!!

ALL that data was thrown away.....which is MOST of the raw data for the past 150 years.... We now have only the data since the 1990s until
today.......

No, their copy of all that data was thrown away.

Seriously, use your head here. You're talking about global data. Do you think that Japan, for example, would send the original meterological history
archive, going back centuries, to a foreign university, in its entirety, no questions asked, and without keeping a copy on hand?

Of course they bloody wouldn't. No one would. They'd send a copy.

This data still exists. Even that which is not being used by universities and research institutes still exists in government archives around the
world. Even if all of those things were to go up in flames, you'd still be left with newspapers to pile through to get your records for the past 150
years.

I agree. The data still exists on servers all over. What was most likely thrown out is how the data was used, that is, methodology.

What should be obvious now is how the IPCC exaggerated the issue to gain funding, get wealth redistributed, and stop global growth. I can go to
Climate Audit, copy an R program and access many of the databases of data. Why can't I do the same with the IPCC or CRU studies? It looks like a
coverup that the programs and data aren't available.

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