Waco, Afghanastan, Iraq... Thats too sinister for common folk to want to hear and discuss. It is under the guise of war.. An enemy. There is a huge disconnect bc of culture or brown skin.

It is just like the end of the movie "A Time to Kill". The lawyer is describing how Samuel L Jackson's daughter was kidnapped, raped, beaten drug on the groung with intent to kill her...then tells the Missisippi jurors.."now imagine she is white"

It was powerful in the movie bc yes... There is a filter for most americans with the death of other races...add drones and glossy eyed shoulder shrugs ensue.

If you hang around the tinderbox, you will be called all kinds of things. Would not expect an apology right away. Thicker skin required here as name calling is part of the territory. All people on the conservative side have been called bigot like hundreds of times.

Yes...without that rifle the shooter would not have gotten off as many shots or shots as deadly. The coroner who did 7 autopsies said some of those 7 were shot 11 times. That ammo was deadly with 1 shot. Military type weapons have no use in the civilian world. None of those kids that were shot with that type of weapon had a chance of surviving.

If you want to defend that type of weapon being legal...what the hell is it needed for? Why would you trade all the innocent lives that have been lost?

He did not use the rifle, it was found in the back seat of his car. The VT shooter just used two pistols to kill 30+. Pistols are easy acess and will never be banned or regulated other than registering them.

He did not use the rifle, it was found in the back seat of his car. The VT shooter just used two pistols to kill 30+. Pistols are easy acess and will never be banned or regulated other than registering them.

Well this is one of the many inconsistencies that I'm going to cover in my thread after the game. They DID find the rifle in his trunk as was initially reported, there's video evidence from the local news affiliates showing this.

However, after the information came out, regarding how many shots were fired over so short a period of time, they changed their story to say that he used the rifle as his weapon.

In 2009, a total of 1,314 children age 14 and younger were killed in motor vehicle traffic crashes. Of those 1,314 fatalities, 181 (14%) occurred in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. Out of those 181 deaths, 92 (51%) were occupants of a vehicle with a driver who had a BAC level of .08 or higher, and another 27 children (15%) were pedestrians or pedalcyclists struck by drivers with a BAC of .08 or higher.

That's not including adult deaths. People will always abuse privilege, whether its the right to enjoy a beer or the right to go out with your "assault rifle" ( which is nothing more than what uneducated people think one should look like). So in short, guns are not the problem. Societal decay is the problem.

I am responding to be involved in dialog, not insults. I def. believe you have the right to your reaction and opinion in this time of sorrow. I do believe your idea of banning all firearms is nieve, and un-realistic...

...First, debatable as it may be, it is my right to legally own firearms and I do. The 2nd is among many rights that has and does make America a desirable place to live, and me proud/lucky to an American. As I said Im a gun owner. And I am not willing under any means to forfiet them or mine/my nieghbors right to have them. Its not concievable to expect any gun owners to. Its my opinion that a total ban would create more criminals, and the raise the number of vics. Not to mention the slippery slope of trying to take away a right garenteed from birth.

Second, regulation is great, if done based on fact not emotion. I do not mean this as a personal attack, but I think your reaction to "wmd" is based on sex appeal (looks/mods), not informed fire arm knowledge (caliber, effective/deadly range, ect...). Remember legallity and regulation effects the law-abiding, not the criminals who ignore such laws anyways. Again, I support informed well thought out regulation.

side notes...

Not all guns need clips to hold many rounds (My 30/30 for example...no clip yet holds multiple rounds. A small rifle-nothing fancy- but deadly up to 100 yds).

As deadly as they are, you must practice to be effective with pistols. Unfortunately, schools offer a potentually large number of targets all very much confined in a small space. The ol' fish in a barrel. Even used by an amature the pistol was deadly. A pump shotgun would have been even deadlier, shot for shot though. I have practice w/ a glock and a shotgun, meaning I am familiar with eaches' reach, round size/make up, capacity, and potential damage.

...so Ms. lp I responded to partake in dialog, not to insult. I dont know what Id tell the parents. My heart goes out to all involved. But, I don't think "don't worry we are going to take guns away from law abiding Americans, leaving the lawless armed" is what they would want to hear.

Well this is one of the many inconsistencies that I'm going to cover in my thread after the game. They DID find the rifle in his trunk as was initially reported, there's video evidence from the local news affiliates showing this.

However, after the information came out, regarding how many shots were fired over so short a period of time, they changed their story to say that he used the rifle as his weapon.

Again, I'll cover all this later this evening, with links and such.

Thanks, it would be great to clarify this. The news I have read, whether true or not, states the .223 rifle was found in the back seat of his mothers car.