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Many organizations use their highest upsides arms as starters in the lower level minors to gain experience. Usually, if the team sees them as relievers ONLY, they are placed in the bullpen at the AA or AAA level.

You might remember there was some discussion about doing that with Dan Klein as well as whether his permanent role was as a starter or reliever.

Almost all of the Orioles' pitching talent is at Frederick or lower so there is time before these decisions will have to be made.

ofahn wrote:Many organizations use their highest upsides arms as starters in the lower level minors to gain experience. Usually, if the team sees them as relievers ONLY, they are placed in the bullpen at the AA or AAA level.

You might remember there was some discussion about doing that with Dan Klein as well as whether his permanent role was as a starter or reliever.

Almost all of the Orioles' pitching talent is at Frederick or lower so there is time before these decisions will have to be made.

I know that. Out of the guys I named, only Moreau and Haughian are at Frederick or below.

I agree completely with that approach. I would add Brandon Erbe, Ryan Berry, Dan Klein and any other SPs who have had recurring health issues and/or overly taxing mechanics (Erbe). They finally made the right move and put Pedro Beato in the bullpen but it was too late. They should be more diligent with these conversions in the future. From the list you gave of potential SP converts, you could probably build a nice bullpen with ideally Schrader and Klein in the back end.

OriolesRedskins28 wrote:They finally made the right move and put Pedro Beato in the bullpen but it was too late.

Maybe they were so slow in accepting that Beato was just a reliever because they were so short of legitimate starters in the farm system at that point. Maybe it was just poor evaluation. Certainly, you would have thought that the team would have accepted that Brandon Snyder was going to be no better than a multi position utility player by June or so of this year and transitioned him into that to allow a roster spot for Mahoney at Norfolk. It just seems like the game is a bit too fast for our development staff.

I disagree with this theory. I think they have plenty of potential bullpen arms in the bullpen. Viola, Cooney, Klein, Henry, Schrader, Gurka, Gleason. They have finally gotten smart enough to bring up Adams and Angle. Lets continue to give the kids a chance. I mean what could happen they going to make us miss the post season?

The mistake they made with Beato was not considering a bullpen arm being developed at home a thing of value. I do agree with the comment that the game is too fast for our player development group.

Shorebirdfan wrote:I disagree with this theory. I think they have plenty of potential bullpen arms in the bullpen. Viola, Cooney, Klein, Henry, Schrader, Gurka, Gleason. They have finally gotten smart enough to bring up Adams and Angle. Lets continue to give the kids a chance. I mean what could happen they going to make us miss the post season?

The mistake they made with Beato was not considering a bullpen arm being developed at home a thing of value. I do agree with the comment that the game is too fast for our player development group.

That's what I meant when I mentioned Beato, that moving him to the bullpen seemed like a last resort and the took him off the 40 man roster rather than giving him a real shot to succeed as a reliever and be an asset.

I can agree that you don't want to throw any and all struggling SP prospects to the bullpen, but with guys like Spoone and Erbe who some scouts thought would fit best in the bullpen early on in their careers whether it be because of lack of command (Spoone), poor offspeed pitches (Erbe), or questionable mechanics (Erbe, possibly Berry) should be moved rather than continuing to let them (Spoone) struggle in the upper minors as a SP (especially if they have a compromised arm). You can never have too many quality relievers, why not make bullpen depth a strength like the Rays did in 2010? Less guys like Josh Rupe and Jeremy Accardo and more guys like Jim Johnson or the 2010 Jason Berken, homegrown dependable relievers.

Shorebirdfan wrote:The mistake they made with Beato was not considering a bullpen arm being developed at home a thing of value. I do agree with the comment that the game is too fast for our player development group.

Completely agree with this point. The best bullpens are built with homegrown players. That way you aren't spending money on FA relievers...

OriolesRedskins28 wrote:That's what I meant when I mentioned Beato, that moving him to the bullpen seemed like a last resort and the took him off the 40 man roster rather than giving him a real shot to succeed as a reliever and be an asset.

I can agree that you don't want to throw any and all struggling SP prospects to the bullpen, but with guys like Spoone and Erbe who some scouts thought would fit best in the bullpen early on in their careers whether it be because of lack of command (Spoone), poor offspeed pitches (Erbe), or questionable mechanics (Erbe, possibly Berry) should be moved rather than continuing to let them (Spoone) struggle in the upper minors as a SP (especially if they have a compromised arm). You can never have too many quality relievers, why not make bullpen depth a strength like the Rays did in 2010? Less guys like Josh Rupe and Jeremy Accardo and more guys like Jim Johnson or the 2010 Jason Berken, homegrown dependable relievers.