Seriously? You'd never see a thread of this nature last this long over at Guru3D, man are those mods touchy.

But to answer the question: I was once religious (christen) turned atheist a few years back and I have heard of the "zeitgeist movement" but put more faith in the "truther movement"

And the one about Chemtrails, I can actually back that up with some evidence (Nothing on an government paper, of cause - but what is in Chemtrails and why they are being sprayed and the company that benefits from it).

You should point out that there are violent and gore-ish images in the movie (it's real stuff, not staged)

Jack Rammsdell@Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:42 am :

I watched it all through, I highly recommend watching it. There is almost no gore at all in the film, just at the begining intro section. The Violence is the news casts, this is nothing at all like faces of death or anything near it. it is a documentary about christianity, 911, and the federal reserve.

Rayne@Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:02 am :

It's true, news casts are showing more and more gore every day, but I haven't seen images taken directly from rotten dot com in television yet.

IMHO the video is amazing, I forwarded the link to all my friends, but there are some people that simply can't watch gore-ish stuff (my girlfriend literally loose her senses when simply see a drop of blood)

But yeah, the video is amazing. The religion bits really worth the watching

CrimsonHead@Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:54 am :

It's intriguing, but I don't understand how the religion part ties in with it all. It's no big news flash our government sucks, It's funny how children are brought up to believe we are the "good guys", yet the US is guilty of more war crimes and crimes against humanity than the Nazi's and Al-Queida put together. These type of movies just make me more and more depressed, we are slowly drifting into slavery and no ones' doing anything and no one really can.

Rayne@Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:14 pm :

CrimsonHead wrote:

It's intriguing, but I don't understand how the religion part ties in with it all.

Because since the dawn of the days men killed each other in the "name of god".

pbmax@Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:00 pm :

CrimsonHead wrote:

It's funny how children are brought up to believe we are the "good guys", yet the US is guilty of more war crimes and crimes against humanity than the Nazi's and Al-Queida put together.

actually these days its the opposite. kids are brain washed to believe that we are not the "good guys".

BNA!@Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:33 pm :

pbmax wrote:

CrimsonHead wrote:

It's funny how children are brought up to believe we are the "good guys", yet the US is guilty of more war crimes and crimes against humanity than the Nazi's and Al-Queida put together.

actually these days its the opposite. kids are brain washed to believe that we are not the "good guys".

Hm, if the brainwashed call the brainwashed brainwashed, then it's pretty hard to decide who's brainwashed. In mapping this phenomenon causes HOM.

rich_is_bored@Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:11 am :

This film is rampant with plagiarism. It contains content gratuitously ripped from several films like The God Who Wasn't There and America: Freedom to Fascism.

And while I share a similar perspective on the topics of religion and the Federal Reserve, I find large portions of this film suggestive and misleading. Some of the material presented is compelling but it's woven together with a bunch of half truths and flimsily drawn parallels.

For instance, this film implies that there is a religious ambiguity between the words son and sun simply because they are nearly identical in spelling. And while the parallel between the figurative representation of the sun and god may hold substance, the notion that the English spelling of both words is somehow supportive of this is an attempt at manipulation. The English language would have to be as old as the concept of religion for this notion to be even remotely true.

There's a similar sequence in the film where a parallel is drawn between the names Manou, Minos, Mises, and Moses. Again the figurative representation holds weight but the similarities in their spellings and or pronunciation is coincidental.

I found the 911 part of the film interesting but I'm a skeptic. I can't buy into this whole "inside job" theory until someone can explain to me how a demolition crew can rig all three buildings with high explosives without a single witness. It just doesn't make sense.

I'm trying to picture some random office worker trying to type up a memo without being distracted while the men in black plant explosive charges all around him ninja style. It sounds like the premise of a Kids in the Hall sketch.

As for the Fed, I'm all for getting rid of that.

Jack Rammsdell@Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:28 am :

Yes, I agree with the mis-interpretation of sun and son. Also the Virgo Symbol looking like a modified "M", and that being the reason why some of the names of the idol's virgin mothers began with "m". But you have to look at it as a Conspiricy film, a lot of these are assumed off what proof and facts were made available to the public, but everything said in the film was logical.

On the matter of the WTC, Every one of those buldings have service elevators and maintence areas deep within the building. They could haev easily gotten in from a sub basement level and made thier way up and done what ever they wanted on the inside without anyone ever knowing.

Hostyle@Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:41 am :

In my language sun and son sound very similar too. In russian aswell.

rich_is_bored wrote:

I found the 911 part of the film interesting but I'm a skeptic. I can't buy into this whole "inside job" theory until someone can explain to me how a demolition crew can rig all three buildings with high explosives without a single witness. It just doesn't make sense.

There were some witnesses that heard loud noises [like drilling sounds] and the dust fell of the ceiling not long time ago before the 911 [like few days before]. Also the barrow draging were heard aswell.The trade towers had to be taken down anyways, because of the unremovable asbestus and the fact that it lost its importance because of the technology advancements and huge costs to maintain the buildings. Plus if one make it look like an attack you win more: you get the paycheck from the insurrance company, you have the pretext to do whatever you want after that with your country and the entire world, you get rid of old and useless building.Every frikkin evidence points to american government or other people in power in the USA.

There were some witnesses that heard loud noises [like drilling sounds] and the dust fell of the ceiling not long time ago before the 911 [like few days before]. Also the barrow draging were heard aswell.The trade towers had to be taken down anyways, because of the unremovable asbestus and the fact that it lost its importance because of the technology advancements and huge costs to maintain the buildings. Plus if one make it look like an attack you win more: you get the paycheck from the insurrance company, you have the pretext to do whatever you want after that with your country and the entire world, you get rid of old and useless building.Every frikkin evidence points to american government or other people in power in the USA.

Third.[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Fourth. Anyway all of the questions have been answered and those conspiracy wackos are nothing but raving antiamericans.edit: jeez now only max 3 quotes. :/

Jack Rammsdell@Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:06 am :

But the movie does have some valid points, the Government could easily do what was protrayed in the video, you have to agree, that there is nothing really preventing the government from taking total control. These conspiracies are a possibiliy, but that doesn't mean that they are true.

and by the way, to end a quote, it's [/quote] not [quote], and besides you have 5 to many... how could you have messed that up, it puts those there automattically for you.

Hostyle@Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:02 pm :

Thats why I removed them, I know how to write quotes. Anyways there is too many coincidences for it to be not questioned. In normal conditions the planes would have crashed in to the buildings and most of the people would happily evacuate and they would not fall down, because they were build having in mind that planes would not tear those buildings down, thats what the designers say. The building would take multiple hits and would still stand. Or it could be another theory that Silverstein & co put all the explosives there and waited for a terror attack, plus it was not the first one, so he was more than ready.

BNA!@Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:00 pm :

Hostyle wrote:

Silverstein & co put all the explosives there

You know nothing at all about real estate. If, then you'd know that Silverstein had one real big goal in life - having the WTC towers in his portfolio. Industry people know this, conspiracy theorist who think the only available food outside their appartment must be pizza or Chinese (since that's all the delivery guy brings, therefore the world outside must be overtaken buy Chinese or Italians, or an evil coalition of both) they do not.

I watched it all through, I highly recommend watching it. There is almost no gore at all in the film, just at the begining intro section. The Violence is the news casts, this is nothing at all like faces of death or anything near it. it is a documentary about christianity, 911, and the federal reserve.

It's true, news casts are showing more and more gore every day, but I haven't seen images taken directly from rotten dot com in television yet.

IMHO the video is amazing, I forwarded the link to all my friends, but there are some people that simply can't watch gore-ish stuff (my girlfriend literally loose her senses when simply see a drop of blood)

But yeah, the video is amazing. The religion bits really worth the watching

It's intriguing, but I don't understand how the religion part ties in with it all. It's no big news flash our government sucks, It's funny how children are brought up to believe we are the "good guys", yet the US is guilty of more war crimes and crimes against humanity than the Nazi's and Al-Queida put together. These type of movies just make me more and more depressed, we are slowly drifting into slavery and no ones' doing anything and no one really can.

This film is rampant with plagiarism. It contains content gratuitously ripped from several films like The God Who Wasn't There and America: Freedom to Fascism.

And while I share a similar perspective on the topics of religion and the Federal Reserve, I find large portions of this film suggestive and misleading. Some of the material presented is compelling but it's woven together with a bunch of half truths and flimsily drawn parallels.

For instance, this film implies that there is a religious ambiguity between the words son and sun simply because they are nearly identical in spelling. And while the parallel between the figurative representation of the sun and god may hold substance, the notion that the English spelling of both words is somehow supportive of this is an attempt at manipulation. The English language would have to be as old as the concept of religion for this notion to be even remotely true.

There's a similar sequence in the film where a parallel is drawn between the names Manou, Minos, Mises, and Moses. Again the figurative representation holds weight but the similarities in their spellings and or pronunciation is coincidental.

I found the 911 part of the film interesting but I'm a skeptic. I can't buy into this whole "inside job" theory until someone can explain to me how a demolition crew can rig all three buildings with high explosives without a single witness. It just doesn't make sense.

I'm trying to picture some random office worker trying to type up a memo without being distracted while the men in black plant explosive charges all around him ninja style. It sounds like the premise of a Kids in the Hall sketch.

As for the Fed, I'm all for getting rid of that.

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Yes, I agree with the mis-interpretation of sun and son. Also the Virgo Symbol looking like a modified "M", and that being the reason why some of the names of the idol's virgin mothers began with "m". But you have to look at it as a Conspiricy film, a lot of these are assumed off what proof and facts were made available to the public, but everything said in the film was logical.

On the matter of the WTC, Every one of those buldings have service elevators and maintence areas deep within the building. They could haev easily gotten in from a sub basement level and made thier way up and done what ever they wanted on the inside without anyone ever knowing.

I found the 911 part of the film interesting but I'm a skeptic. I can't buy into this whole "inside job" theory until someone can explain to me how a demolition crew can rig all three buildings with high explosives without a single witness. It just doesn't make sense.

There were some witnesses that heard loud noises [like drilling sounds] and the dust fell of the ceiling not long time ago before the 911 [like few days before]. Also the barrow draging were heard aswell.The trade towers had to be taken down anyways, because of the unremovable asbestus and the fact that it lost its importance because of the technology advancements and huge costs to maintain the buildings. Plus if one make it look like an attack you win more: you get the paycheck from the insurrance company, you have the pretext to do whatever you want after that with your country and the entire world, you get rid of old and useless building.Every frikkin evidence points to american government or other people in power in the USA.

There were some witnesses that heard loud noises [like drilling sounds] and the dust fell of the ceiling not long time ago before the 911 [like few days before]. Also the barrow draging were heard aswell.The trade towers had to be taken down anyways, because of the unremovable asbestus and the fact that it lost its importance because of the technology advancements and huge costs to maintain the buildings. Plus if one make it look like an attack you win more: you get the paycheck from the insurrance company, you have the pretext to do whatever you want after that with your country and the entire world, you get rid of old and useless building.Every frikkin evidence points to american government or other people in power in the USA.

Third.[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Fourth. Anyway all of the questions have been answered and those conspiracy wackos are nothing but raving antiamericans.edit: jeez now only max 3 quotes. :/

But the movie does have some valid points, the Government could easily do what was protrayed in the video, you have to agree, that there is nothing really preventing the government from taking total control. These conspiracies are a possibiliy, but that doesn't mean that they are true.

and by the way, to end a quote, it's [/quote] not [quote], and besides you have 5 to many... how could you have messed that up, it puts those there automattically for you.

Thats why I removed them, I know how to write quotes. Anyways there is too many coincidences for it to be not questioned. In normal conditions the planes would have crashed in to the buildings and most of the people would happily evacuate and they would not fall down, because they were build having in mind that planes would not tear those buildings down, thats what the designers say. The building would take multiple hits and would still stand. Or it could be another theory that Silverstein & co put all the explosives there and waited for a terror attack, plus it was not the first one, so he was more than ready.

You know nothing at all about real estate. If, then you'd know that Silverstein had one real big goal in life - having the WTC towers in his portfolio. Industry people know this, conspiracy theorist who think the only available food outside their appartment must be pizza or Chinese (since that's all the delivery guy brings, therefore the world outside must be overtaken buy Chinese or Italians, or an evil coalition of both) they do not.

You should point out that there are violent and gore-ish images in the movie (it's real stuff, not staged)

Jack Rammsdell@Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:42 am :

I watched it all through, I highly recommend watching it. There is almost no gore at all in the film, just at the begining intro section. The Violence is the news casts, this is nothing at all like faces of death or anything near it. it is a documentary about christianity, 911, and the federal reserve.

Rayne@Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:02 am :

It's true, news casts are showing more and more gore every day, but I haven't seen images taken directly from rotten dot com in television yet.

IMHO the video is amazing, I forwarded the link to all my friends, but there are some people that simply can't watch gore-ish stuff (my girlfriend literally loose her senses when simply see a drop of blood)

But yeah, the video is amazing. The religion bits really worth the watching

CrimsonHead@Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:54 am :

It's intriguing, but I don't understand how the religion part ties in with it all. It's no big news flash our government sucks, It's funny how children are brought up to believe we are the "good guys", yet the US is guilty of more war crimes and crimes against humanity than the Nazi's and Al-Queida put together. These type of movies just make me more and more depressed, we are slowly drifting into slavery and no ones' doing anything and no one really can.

Rayne@Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:14 pm :

CrimsonHead wrote:

It's intriguing, but I don't understand how the religion part ties in with it all.

Because since the dawn of the days men killed each other in the "name of god".

pbmax@Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:00 pm :

CrimsonHead wrote:

It's funny how children are brought up to believe we are the "good guys", yet the US is guilty of more war crimes and crimes against humanity than the Nazi's and Al-Queida put together.

actually these days its the opposite. kids are brain washed to believe that we are not the "good guys".

BNA!@Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:33 pm :

pbmax wrote:

CrimsonHead wrote:

It's funny how children are brought up to believe we are the "good guys", yet the US is guilty of more war crimes and crimes against humanity than the Nazi's and Al-Queida put together.

actually these days its the opposite. kids are brain washed to believe that we are not the "good guys".

Hm, if the brainwashed call the brainwashed brainwashed, then it's pretty hard to decide who's brainwashed. In mapping this phenomenon causes HOM.

rich_is_bored@Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:11 am :

This film is rampant with plagiarism. It contains content gratuitously ripped from several films like The God Who Wasn't There and America: Freedom to Fascism.

And while I share a similar perspective on the topics of religion and the Federal Reserve, I find large portions of this film suggestive and misleading. Some of the material presented is compelling but it's woven together with a bunch of half truths and flimsily drawn parallels.

For instance, this film implies that there is a religious ambiguity between the words son and sun simply because they are nearly identical in spelling. And while the parallel between the figurative representation of the sun and god may hold substance, the notion that the English spelling of both words is somehow supportive of this is an attempt at manipulation. The English language would have to be as old as the concept of religion for this notion to be even remotely true.

There's a similar sequence in the film where a parallel is drawn between the names Manou, Minos, Mises, and Moses. Again the figurative representation holds weight but the similarities in their spellings and or pronunciation is coincidental.

I found the 911 part of the film interesting but I'm a skeptic. I can't buy into this whole "inside job" theory until someone can explain to me how a demolition crew can rig all three buildings with high explosives without a single witness. It just doesn't make sense.

I'm trying to picture some random office worker trying to type up a memo without being distracted while the men in black plant explosive charges all around him ninja style. It sounds like the premise of a Kids in the Hall sketch.

As for the Fed, I'm all for getting rid of that.

Jack Rammsdell@Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:28 am :

Yes, I agree with the mis-interpretation of sun and son. Also the Virgo Symbol looking like a modified "M", and that being the reason why some of the names of the idol's virgin mothers began with "m". But you have to look at it as a Conspiricy film, a lot of these are assumed off what proof and facts were made available to the public, but everything said in the film was logical.

On the matter of the WTC, Every one of those buldings have service elevators and maintence areas deep within the building. They could haev easily gotten in from a sub basement level and made thier way up and done what ever they wanted on the inside without anyone ever knowing.

Hostyle@Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:41 am :

In my language sun and son sound very similar too. In russian aswell.

rich_is_bored wrote:

I found the 911 part of the film interesting but I'm a skeptic. I can't buy into this whole "inside job" theory until someone can explain to me how a demolition crew can rig all three buildings with high explosives without a single witness. It just doesn't make sense.

There were some witnesses that heard loud noises [like drilling sounds] and the dust fell of the ceiling not long time ago before the 911 [like few days before]. Also the barrow draging were heard aswell.The trade towers had to be taken down anyways, because of the unremovable asbestus and the fact that it lost its importance because of the technology advancements and huge costs to maintain the buildings. Plus if one make it look like an attack you win more: you get the paycheck from the insurrance company, you have the pretext to do whatever you want after that with your country and the entire world, you get rid of old and useless building.Every frikkin evidence points to american government or other people in power in the USA.

There were some witnesses that heard loud noises [like drilling sounds] and the dust fell of the ceiling not long time ago before the 911 [like few days before]. Also the barrow draging were heard aswell.The trade towers had to be taken down anyways, because of the unremovable asbestus and the fact that it lost its importance because of the technology advancements and huge costs to maintain the buildings. Plus if one make it look like an attack you win more: you get the paycheck from the insurrance company, you have the pretext to do whatever you want after that with your country and the entire world, you get rid of old and useless building.Every frikkin evidence points to american government or other people in power in the USA.

Third.[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Fourth. Anyway all of the questions have been answered and those conspiracy wackos are nothing but raving antiamericans.edit: jeez now only max 3 quotes. :/

Jack Rammsdell@Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:06 am :

But the movie does have some valid points, the Government could easily do what was protrayed in the video, you have to agree, that there is nothing really preventing the government from taking total control. These conspiracies are a possibiliy, but that doesn't mean that they are true.

and by the way, to end a quote, it's [/quote] not [quote], and besides you have 5 to many... how could you have messed that up, it puts those there automattically for you.

Hostyle@Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:02 pm :

Thats why I removed them, I know how to write quotes. Anyways there is too many coincidences for it to be not questioned. In normal conditions the planes would have crashed in to the buildings and most of the people would happily evacuate and they would not fall down, because they were build having in mind that planes would not tear those buildings down, thats what the designers say. The building would take multiple hits and would still stand. Or it could be another theory that Silverstein & co put all the explosives there and waited for a terror attack, plus it was not the first one, so he was more than ready.

BNA!@Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:00 pm :

Hostyle wrote:

Silverstein & co put all the explosives there

You know nothing at all about real estate. If, then you'd know that Silverstein had one real big goal in life - having the WTC towers in his portfolio. Industry people know this, conspiracy theorist who think the only available food outside their appartment must be pizza or Chinese (since that's all the delivery guy brings, therefore the world outside must be overtaken buy Chinese or Italians, or an evil coalition of both) they do not.

Hostyle@Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:46 pm :

BNA! wrote:

Hostyle wrote:

Silverstein & co put all the explosives there

You know nothing at all about real estate. If, then you'd know that Silverstein had one real big goal in life - having the WTC towers in his portfolio. Industry people know this, conspiracy theorist who think the only available food outside their appartment must be pizza or Chinese (since that's all the delivery guy brings, therefore the world outside must be overtaken buy Chinese or Italians, or an evil coalition of both) they do not.

He is old, means he needs to get rid of a major head ache and needs some fat ass pension to enjoy the last decade he has. He doesnt care about his reputation, because the death is near.

I now do see more clearly on the false flag acts, their is just something telling me that the device they insert into you for monitoring position and etc, isn't good, idk if its the rebel inside of me or not or its just a dislike for my own government.

These last two I've been able to watch, thanks for posting youtube stuff, for some reason Google video has'nt worked for the last month for me. I don't get any error or active x messages it just hangs forever when it loads a video, I've given up trying to fix it.

Hostyle@Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:35 pm :

CrimsonHead wrote:

These last two I've been able to watch, thanks for posting youtube stuff, for some reason Google video has'nt worked for the last month for me. I don't get any error or active x messages it just hangs forever when it loads a video, I've given up trying to fix it.

I know it's not a laughing matter because these are actual human lives at stake here, but I still get a chuckle when I think of the irony of George W. stating at the start of the war that "this won't be another Vietnam". In a sense he's correct though, because thanks to modern technology and the internet this time around people can see for themselves what is really happening and the unfiltered truth can reach almost every home in the world. It's sad though that some people still refuse to see the truth, especially in my little redneck hick town if you critisize our government you are a traitor, but being loyal to the Constitution and Democracy is a totally separate thing than being loyal the Bush administration. You have to ask yourself who does our current administration really serve? Do they serve the People, Democracy, and the Constitution? Or do they serve only themselves and the wealthy power-elite?

Do'h!hmm...@Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:27 am :

A hick town in IL. Ye got be really really progressive ta say that.And you talk like there actually is a regime that DO NOT server their own interest? Giving a lil guess, Al Gore? Obama? Prove me wrong.

CrimsonHead@Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:57 am :

I never claimed you were wrong. It's just most people in America have been spoon fed a certain speal about the home of the free, and a government for the people, etc. from the time they were infants on. Also if I'm not mistaken I believe the constitution states somewhere that our government are supposed to function as public servants and representitives of the people and their will. I realize it's not that way anymore, and it has'nt been that way since before I was born, and maybe it never will be, but just because it's common practice does'nt make it OK. I also know a person can't choose the country or government they are born into and sometimes you have to settle for the lesser of the evils when applicable, but our current situation is more the greater evil than the lesser.

and btw..

I have'nt said anything mocking or insulting to you that I know of, and I highly doubt that you live where I do or have shared in the same experiences I have, so I'm having a real hard time here trying to understand why you would choose to mock me. If you want to be childish by all means go ahead, but don't include me.

Do'h!hmm...@Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:26 am :

CrimsonHead wrote:

I never claimed...

Well every gov claim they are by ppl, for ppl. And what do you expect from them. It's just funny why would you believe them, if not juvenile, in the first place.Why are you strangely being so defensive?

CrimsonHead@Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:41 am :

Do'h!hmm... wrote:

Why are you strangely being so defensive?

That is a very good question, I'm still trying to figure it out myself. One thing is for sure you just helped me realize that I'm really wasting my precious time, thank you.

Britney Spears is a representation of an owl goddess, trained by Madonna, and guided by aliens?!

I made a drawing 35 years ago that depicted that in random lines on a puppy! My hand was just guided to draw it, and it felt right!

Brain Trepaning@Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:07 am :

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

You shall have no other gods before me.

Worship no god but me.

Any questions?

mavrik65@Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:39 am :

erm.... I before Thee except after me

Hostyle@Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:02 pm :

stabinbac wrote:

Britney Spears is a representation of an owl goddess, trained by Madonna, and guided by aliens?! I made a drawing 35 years ago that depicted that in random lines on a puppy! My hand was just guided to draw it, and it felt right!

Trained by Disney. W.Disney 33 degree freemason and anti-jew. Madonna is an old whore, Britney aswel, need more new whores to distract me from sexy wars!

rebb@Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:14 pm :

I still think the whole Christianity thing is just a viral marketing campaign to sell the Bible.

Hostyle@Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:37 pm :

rebb wrote:

I still think the whole Christianity thing is just a viral marketing campaign to sell the Bible.