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John Boehner just flushed the Republican led House down the toilet.
He says that he can work with Obama on comprehensive immigration reform, not try to end Obama care and is open to revenue enhancement

You know what he’s doing? Amnesty will put the Dems in the driver’s seat for two generations, just like the New Deal.

Not even Boehner is too stupid to understand that. He’s D.C. Establishment all the way: he’s trying to destroy the influence of conservatism. If that means a permanent GOP minority, he’s OK with it (so long as he’s a minority insider and gets his piece of the pie).

God help us. Conservatives work their tails off to get GOP majorities, who then betray us.

until we totally shed ourselves of the establishment GOP, we will be continuously forced to parade one lousy candidate after another in front of an electorate with an ever-shrinking conservative voice.

To hell with Jeb Bush; We need to run a true conservative candidate, and not some RINO who will best benefit the old guard Republican base.

It’s depressing to see destructive conservatives who behave as if they still have some kind of power. Do you not understand anything about politics? Do you think having strong principles exempts you from having to play the game? Good grief. You just lost the presidency and gave up seats in the Senate. And the Democrats could bury the GOP for a long time to come if you don’t get through the “fiscal cliff” crisis without being painted as the ‘party of obstruction’. Do you not understand the idea of picking your battles???

Do you really thing the road to redemption for conservatives is to continue to alienate every single illegal immigrant? Do you not understand how that damaged the GOP in the most recent election?

It’s beyond depressing. It’s pitiful that some thing the road to success is to simply reinforce some of the losing positions.

Illegal aliens came here ILLEGALLY. THEY DON’T BELONG HERE. Their very presence here IS A CRIME.

They are scofflaws. They undercut Americans for low-wage jobs. They pay no taxes. They use and abuse our welfare/health care systems. They cost us a fortune, they don’t respect our laws and customs, they refuse to speak English.

Finally, unlike immigrants of the past, they didn’t come here to become Americans. They came here to milk our system.

Initially, the illegals were invited here. By businesses wanting cheap labor. By politicians who deliberately looked the other way. By the ruling class, in other words.

Afaic it is inadequate to quote the letter of the law when that law was deliberately evaded by the powerful people who create laws.

That said, if the nation lacks the will to secure its borders, it is another step toward suicide. If the borders are secure, I am willing to look at the reality of illegals who are credibly willing to transfer their allegiance to the USA.

The illegals who came here looking for work are not villains. The villains are the upscale Americans who invited them.

gs:
The employers are villains, no doubt. But too many illegals come here to collect government benefits and live on welfare, supplemented by under-the-table jobs. I’ve seen their work, everything from washing windows to brick-laying: they do it very badly.

They disobey laws, they do whatever they want. If “too many” of them start getting arrested (like for DUI), law enforcement is told to stop enforcing.

Illegals are vastly overrepresented in jails, not because of raaaaacism, but because there are a lot of violent criminals among them.

The are ignorant, arrogant, greedy, often vicious scofflaws. I have no inclination to welcome them or give them a break.

Want to be a citizen? Leave. Return to your home country. Then go through the proper immigration process: as long and arduous as it is.

Being an American is a PRIVILEGE dammit. Why don’t you people realize that? And we’re just going to give it away to some scofflaw just because he comes here?

Оur only hope to save the country is for conservatives to take over the GOP and drive the agenda. If this amnesty goes through, we’re going to lose the GOP, and with that, our last chance to save the country.

Politicians say one thing and do another all the time. In 2004 they said they would cooperate with Bush, too the first couple of days after the election. There’s a large block who won’t let Boehner get away with too much cooperation. The fact is there are lots of opportunities. Obamacare is going to be back on the Hill many, many times because huge parts of it are already unworkable. There are other parts the courts will chip away at.

The Senate will also be interesting for Reid. He’s got 20 people up for reelection in 2014, include 4 in blue states. They will be watching their states closely. Hagen seems vulnerable. She has been a bigger do nothing than Elizabeth Dole. On the Republican side Lindsey Graham can’t be too much of a maverick or he risks a primary.

Your posts are thoughtful and insightful. Also far more optimistic than mine.

That said, Boehner caved on the debt ceiling and repeatedly on continuing resolutions. I’ve read in numerous places he is an absolutely brutal vote-whipping bully behind closed doors when he REALLY wants something, which is when Obama REALLY wants something.

They’re buying the Dem/media “we need more Hispanics so let’s get amnesty” scam. Obama REALLY wants this. Republicans haven’t shown any inclination to mutiny in the House, and Reid will eliminated the filibuster for things like this.

If the demographic is so brainwashed by media and leftists, that white males are evil, bring on Susana Martinez, a tough prosecutor with bonafides, and an awesome family history.

Real Hispanics are conservatives, but the left has so overplayed the race card, that they will lose when they learn conservatives hold the high cards in all suits.

Self reliance is the Mexican way, the American way, the Christian way, the atheist way … it is NOT the leftist way. Bring it on … conservatism holds the high cards in every suit/color, kings or queens.

I disagree that real Hispanic are conservatives, particularly when emigrating from other countries. How many Central American and South American countries follow capitalism?

I’ve deposed countless Hispanics over the last 10 years and I have never gotten the impression that they, as a group, maintain conservative principles. I know that’s the narrative but it hasn’t been relayed to me.

Self reliance is the Mexican way while in Mexico because there is very little alternative. Once in America, the land of opportunity and rich businesses, that self-reliance falters. At least that’s been my experience.

My brother works construction here in S. California and while the Hispanics he work with do show up and typically work hard they have absolutely no compunction about “working the system” simultaneously.

My brief claim was a little generic, but as you said “Self reliance is the Mexican way while in Mexico because there is very little alternative.” My experience is they will take the handouts, but will also work hard, often harder than Americans, which is why they are so depended on in much of CA specialized agriculture.

And perhaps your point about “when they have no other choice” is also pertinent. Lets quit giving such lucrative other choices. The right policy would bring the right people. The entitlement seekers should be sent back, the field workers she be embraced (and I have, they are good people).

Generically I think the left wants to bring in “off the grid” entitlement seekers. But we really do want to legitimize the workers that can prune my grapes and have a good work ethic. Legit Hispanics (I think) want that too. Bring them all out of the shadows, put real workers int he system, send the mooches and dealers back.

We can’t be central LA, and we can shut down our border to illegals. But I welcome a LOT of Mexican workers that would be glad to contribute, not just take .. and they are MANY.

At the lefty site I haven’t quite been kicked out of, it’s an article of faith that conservatives are white males who hate nonwhites and want to force women into subservience. No, the attitude is too deeply engrained to be an article of faith: they’re not even aware of it.

Nevertheless, given the GOP’s ability to harvest defeat from a field of victory, I’m going to keep my hopes restrained.

When I worked in Chicago I would listen to those rants and at the end ask “You are aware that I am a conservative, aren’t you? It was always fun to watch them retreat. I was usually better educated, more successful and better dressed.

The internet and social media has turned the vocal segment of the urban left into something resembling a giant high school clique. As we run out of money the only fun will be watching them fall apart.

American politics is becoming a nightmare version of Groundhog Day. Obama’s victory has unleashed a new and improved viciousness on the Left. Republicans look even more cowed and impotent than ever. (Is that even possible?)Does anybody even know the meaning of fighting back anymore? Is there any viscera left in the Republican party?

I’m beginning to feel open to the possibility of total system collapse. The only way out may be through the ruins. I have this sick urge to see the clueless undergrads, the sanctimonious elites, the hateful activists, the media assassins and all the other savage little children of the Left suffer what they’ve wrought. Of course, all the rest of us will suffer, too, but at least we know how to rebuild things.

Democrats lose an election: “We didn’t lose, you scumbag Republicans stole the election! Shut up and get out of our way–Minority rights! We’re obstructing everything! We’re gonna be the Majority again soon!”

I guess there are two schools of thought in how to handle the recent election and the House majority.

One is to fight everything tooth and nail.

One is to own the suck, give Obama a number of things that he wants, and pick the fights carefully. In regard to the taxes issue, I would think the way to go is give Obama additional tax revenue. Let the “Bush” tax cuts expire, rather than modify it. If that isn’t enough, add 5 to 10% to everyone making over $200K a year. Go along with the carbon tax levy. Have it arranged that it passes with as few Republican votes as is needed, but that will require every single Democrat to vote for it.

For the illegal alien issue, allow for a partial amnesty, but require Voter ID for every Federal Election in every state, and those who are already here illegally and register will have to wait 20 years to become a citizen, and is therefore not eligible to vote. The Voter ID could be an issued voting card from the Government. During the 20 year wait, the immigrants must pay taxes and will receive only a few select benefits.

Let the Democrat party own it. Push at every opportunity that the tax deal and immigration reform deal for those who are in our country illegally, are due to the Americans voting for Obama and the Democrats in the Senate. The Republicans are only doing as the voters wanted as a result of this election.

The tax deal will help push the US off the fiscal cliff. Let the Democrats own it. It will mean further decline in employment. Let the Democrats own it.

I don’t think it is a matter of “if” the system collapses, we are getting very near it now, especially with the way Obama has governed. With these moves it will be a question of when, and may be enough to happen before the midterm elections. With it coming, why not help it along and see if we can build from the ashes, because it is going to take something massive like that to get the idiots to wake up.

Math and logic have never been the strongpoint of progessive liberal voters. Look at their record: Approving Gay Marriage (the logical equivalent of approving square circles), and Re-electing Barack Obama (Adding 6 Trillion to a debt he promised to cut in half by his first term).

If everyone ends up having to pay more in taxes, watch unemployment climb, have college grads go back to living in their parents homes because they can’t get jobs even at McDonalds, we won’t have to worry about the liberals math and logic skills. It will be reality smacking them in the face.

Here’s my two cents as a former socialist now conservative female in her 40s and of Mexican descent.

There is only one way to shift the stronghold leftists democrats have on Hispanics. Conservative Hispanics are the only ones who can do this & I have plans that will pull the plug on the entitlement bath that many Hispanics are swimming in. Yes, there are Hispanics that do game the system and take advantage, but, there are many who are not political and work their asses off. They do resent that these people game the system and want it to stop.

Man, I’m so offended by Hispanics. My poor 79 year old mother who was born in Mexico cried that Obama won. My parents are working class now retired. My father was orphaned at a young age and lived in a house with dirt floors. He never blamed God nor ever expected the government to serve him.

It’s all about messaging. As a former socialist who voted for Clinton & Gore – my gosh conservatives need to fight back through the culture. Andrew Breitbart understood. He tried to convince the GOP consulting class to use conservatives in Hollywood, but they refused, what the hell?

I’m a novelist and screenwriter and man, to get publish in New York in not even an option. I appreciate that conservative publishers print non-fiction, but hey we need to have fictional stories told by our side too.

I’m venting, but with a purpose. I’m mad and want to get even by winning this war.

Listening to Rush today got me thinking, thinking something big that will make the democrats sweat.

There nothing better than the Truth, what I’m going to do is say it con la verdad!

ASR…please come back here often and comment. First generation ( legal ) American myself who lost half my family to Proletariat Revolution back in Asia. There are winnable communication strategies that the likes of you and I understand that many in the GOP don’t. But we will not belabor that point.

A bit off topic, but I’ve been pondering what went wrong in Wisconsin. How can a state that elected Scott Walker (twice) and Ron Johnson go for Obama and Baldwin? I’ve heard that turn-out was down, but it didn’t feel that way in my precinct. I did some poking around and this is what I discovered. I vote in a very small, rural precinct. The population is mostly white with a lot of Catholics and traditional protestants. Here is what I found:

November 2012:
Obama 408
Romney 501

November 2008:
Obama 438
McCain 468

June 2012 (Recall Election):
Walker 527
Barrett 286

Here is where it gets interesting.
November 2012 US Senate:
Thompson 474
Baldwin 409

This means that there were a significant number of people that voted for Romney, but not Thompson. They didn’t cross over to Baldwin, they just didn’t vote in the senate race.

I voted at around 11:30 and was number 428. I happened to walk in the door with the town clerk. I heard her ask the poll workers if they had finished with the absentee ballots. They replied that they were done until that days mail arrived. Yard signage would have suggested that Romney to Obama support would have been much stronger.

Just for reference, this is how we voted when Ron Johnson ran against Russ Feingold:
November 2010:
Feingold 258
Johnson 408

Wisconsin state government elections went well for Republicans. Our next big battle will be to hold the state supreme court in April. Until then, I think I will take a snooze. This endless voting cycle has been exhausting.

Yes. The GOP is now +2 in the state senate. Currently the balance is R17 / D15 with one vacant seat. The open seat will be filled next month in a special election. The seat was vacated in August when Sen. Zipperer became Walker’s chief of staff. If Waukesha county doesn’t elect a Republican, I will fall off my chair.

The GOP held a 20 seat majority in the Assembly before the election. I haven’t heard a new final count. Some of the close races haven’t been called yet. I don’t anticipate a serious shift.

I don’t really think it matters much, I’m just waiting for the economic collapse. Greece, Italy, Spain, France…all in or are circling the drain. When it gets to us, well, I hope you all know how to garden.

I’d advise asking Senator Elect Warren to show you how to grow Indian corn, but something tells me that may not work out so well for you.

Business tax loopholes should be cut (revenue increased), especially for Media.

Tax deductions for mortgage interest should be changed into lifetime max capped 30% tax credit — for whole payment, not just interest. Max cap of 10 times median filed taxpayer gross income (filed to IRS), slowly increasing.
Charity deductions should be converted to 30% tax credits.
All other deductions should be eliminated.

We will never get to the left of the democrats on immigration.
Whatever we promise, the Democrats will one up us.
If we offer a qualified amnesty to those already here, the democrats will offer to let grandma, cousin Hector and great uncle Jose move in
If we offer a solid guest worker program, the democrats will offer citizenship and minority giveaways