Anyone else notice how when OJ's wrongness is pointed out he disappears? What's the word.... Coward.

I dont disappear. I just have other things to do with my time instead of falling for your pathetic traps of stick poking and then running to mods to report me. Im not dumb. Like celebrating my fathers bday the other night. Tonight I was busy with night school.

You dont even collect cards. You dont buy or sell. You hate everything. There has never been a single positive comment from you on these forums. Its safe to say you hate life probably.

This conversation ended as soon as I gave you a link to show you that a David Noel exquisite card sold for $2. But you cant accept it. You cant accept that the point I was making is that the main reason why UD products were successful is because of MJ and Lebron.

Do you honestly think Exquisite could rake in $500+ a box without MJ and Lebron when it came out? Do you really think NT couldnt pull off $500 a box without MJ and Lebron?

We give you example of successful products and all you do is go nuts pulling your hair and acting like a tough guy.

The simple fact is you CANNOT handle the fact that design comes down to personal taste and that like a bunghole.... everyone has one. Until you realize that not everyone wants what you want, you can never understand why Panini is able to sell products and designs you may not like. Because this world doesnt revolve around what simpletons like you want and like.

I dont disappear. I just have other things to do with my time instead of falling for your pathetic traps of stick poking and then running to mods to report me. Im not dumb. Like celebrating my fathers bday the other night. Tonight I was busy with night school.

You dont even collect cards. You dont buy or sell. You hate everything. There has never been a single positive comment from you on these forums. Its safe to say you hate life probably.

This conversation ended as soon as I gave you a link to show you that a David Noel exquisite card sold for $2. But you cant accept it. You cant accept that the point I was making is that the main reason why UD products were successful is because of MJ and Lebron.

Do you honestly think Exquisite could rake in $500+ a box without MJ and Lebron when it came out? Do you really think NT couldnt pull off $500 a box without MJ and Lebron?

We give you example of successful products and all you do is go nuts pulling your hair and acting like a tough guy.

The simple fact is you CANNOT handle the fact that design comes down to personal taste and that like a bunghole.... everyone has one. Until you realize that not everyone wants what you want, you can never understand why Panini is able to sell products and designs you may not like. Because this world doesnt revolve around what simpletons like you want and like.

You don't disappear? You were busy with school? You were online for two more hours after that post, yet you conveniently didn't come back to this after being pointed out how foolish you are, yet again.

I would only report a post that was necessary. You may post the most idiotic things, but unless you swear at me there isn't any need to report you. I do still collect cards (and jerseys), and I assure you not every single post of mine is negative, but just like everything else you choose to ignore the truth...

You also didn't add a link to the Noel selling for $2 until well after, so that's a pathetic argument!!

Honestly, no, Exquisite would have probably sunk without MJ or Lebron. NT is a different animal because it (was) the highest end licensed product available these days. That's not the case anymore though.

Where did you give me successful products? You just criticized Exquisite for having MJ and Lebron. Yet again, joining a thread to post irrelevant things at irrelevant times.

If I post a david noel exquisite card, will you tell me it looks unbelievable as well? You're a joke

I think you're mistaking card design for the player on the actual card.

A noble nameplates jumbo logo jersey auto of David Noel (hypothetically) is no less as beautiful than a Michael Jordan from the same set. They both have the same design. But of course Noel will be less 'desirable' because of his name...I think that is overtly obvious...and holds true for any baseball card/set made in the history of mankind (obviously the player on the card dictates it's value relative to others in the set).

I think you're mistaking card design for the player on the actual card.

A noble nameplates jumbo logo jersey auto of David Noel (hypothetically) is no less as beautiful than a Michael Jordan from the same set. They both have the same design. But of course Noel will be less 'desirable' because of his name...I think that is overtly obvious...and holds true for any baseball card/set made in the history of mankind (obviously the player on the card dictates it's value relative to others in the set).

And everybody knows his argument is ridiculous, a point that nobody was arguing anyway...

Comes into a thread about busting a box of 08-09 Exquisite.
Declares that Exquisite would "look like garbage" without Jordan or Lebron, an utterly ridiculous statement.
When confronted about the 'look' of Exquisite not relying on those players, he brings up a scrub player, then afterwards shows a link to one selling cheap. Again, irrelevant to how it could "look like garbage".
Backed up by another fool who follows him around agreeing with anything he says.

So yeah, everybody feels the same as what you have posted above, except a couple of lunatics who like to argue for the sake of it.

If you took away MJ and Lebron exclusive deals from UD, their product would look like garbage no matter how much emphasis they put on glitter and shiny stuff for you guys to go googly eyed over.

All that basketball needs is a player to blow up and create hype. Itll bring excitement back into the hobby. We need a black or a lin explosion this coming year, that way we can watch people bust product from this past year like no ones business!

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I think you're mistaking card design for the player on the actual card.

A noble nameplates jumbo logo jersey auto of David Noel (hypothetically) is no less as beautiful than a Michael Jordan from the same set. They both have the same design. But of course Noel will be less 'desirable' because of his name...I think that is overtly obvious...and holds true for any baseball card/set made in the history of mankind (obviously the player on the card dictates it's value relative to others in the set).

I cant believe im going to go through this and explain it to you as that hairy guy is just trolling for a fight at every corner we turn.

Tristan had comment that nothing comes close from Panini. I made a comment to reference that comment in saying that the reason why certain people dont believe panini puts out anything close is because their subjective view of MJ and Lebron. Those two player autos can easily turn any set into a winning set just from stardom alone. The card wouldnt have to even look great. It could be a piece of dump but having MJ auto in the set would turn it into a highly collectable set.

From there hairy takes off on a journey through the mountains picking up cherries and rebutting comments that he cant comprehend. I then state that design on the any card is a subjective matter that just because you find it to be good looking doesnt mean that someone else does and vice versa. But that theory goes out the window when you talking UD lemmings. They cannot handle the fact that everyone has different tastes. Instead they get frustrated and start telling themselves that ONLY UD cards can be good and that there is noway in this world that any card could ever be better than their UD cards. So instead of taking up my challenge to show that there instances where Panini cards looks better, sell better and have the same dump players on checklist, they choose to fight instead and knock my character. Thats exactly what cowards do when they fight. Thats called leg sweeping. WHen you cant win a debate fair and square you sweep the legs with jabs at character.

I still challenge you. I challenge a few people in this thread that have stated that Panini cannot make anything on the level of UD. I can easily discount that comment with a subjective opinion. But it wouldnt matter because when UD fanboys have their mindset stuck on "Only UD can ever be best" you cant debate with that.

The David Noel example was based on player quality deceiving people into thinking a set is not successful because its not designed well, well in reality is the quality of players that is killing the set itself.

Like I stated, put MJ or a lebron auto/path into most sets and they would be deemed a good looking set. Too bad some are in denial of that.

I personally think the players have nothing to do with the design so that argument was quite weak to me. I mean Panini has Kobe and Durant and sure aren't producing their products anywhere near what UD was at times. Players don't make the cards beautiful.

Forget Exquisite and National Treasures for a second. Look at releases like Chronology, Premier, SPX, SP Authentic, Glass, Finite, SP Game Used, etc. Panini doesn't have anything in that stratosphere but they charge you like they do.
Does Flawless or Immaculate compare to any of those products?? I think not.

But you said the look is subjective...Right? You are like a dog chasing his tail, just going around and around in a circle and never making any headway.

Ok I get it.. I see what you are saying..

UD lemmings are allowed to choose what design is best for everyone. But if anyone chooses something they like, its totally wrong if its not UD.

Thats a serious case of tunnel vision. I hope the demise of UD finally takes you guys out of the hobby good. This hobby needs a purge.

I just posted an NT Auto that looks much better than an exquisite auto and you just ignore it. Just admit it and stop being in denial. It looks much better. But you cannot accept that.

Im sorry that there is no UD left for you. I understand it hurts you so much that it has affected your life in such a negative way that you can longer take it. I dont know what to say? Maybe seeking professional help? Of course you and your bum buddies could bail UD out and pay their financial problems after defrauding the industry out of millions. Maybe that might help?

UD lemmings are allowed to choose what design is best for everyone. But if anyone chooses something they like, its totally wrong if its not UD.

Thats a serious case of tunnel vision. I hope the demise of UD finally takes you guys out of the hobby good. This hobby needs a purge.

I just posted an NT Auto that looks much better than an exquisite auto and you just ignore it. Just admit it and stop being in denial. It looks much better. But you cannot accept that.

Im sorry that there is no UD left for you. I understand it hurts you so much that it has affected your life in such a negative way that you can longer take it. I dont know what to say? Maybe seeking professional help? Of course you and your bum buddies could bail UD out and pay their financial problems after defrauding the industry out of millions. Maybe that might help?

Ok I get it.. I see what you are saying..

Panini lemmings are allowed to choose what design is best for everyone. But if anyone chooses something they like, its totally wrong if its not Panini.

Thats a serious case of tunnel vision. I hope the demise of Panini finally takes you guys out of the hobby good. This hobby needs a purge.

I just posted an Exquisite Auto that looks much better than an NT auto and you just ignore it. Just admit it and stop being in denial. It looks much better. But you cannot accept that.