Would personhood make Colorado the next El Salvador?

According to El Salvador’s high court, “the rights of the mother are not privileged over those of the unborn child (who is to be born) and vice versa.” Every person has an equal right to life. Shouldn’t every country extend equal protection to all human beings?

Some abortion activists don’t think so. In last Friday’s Denver Post, Kathy Bougher vilified El Salvador’s pro-life laws and suggested that introducing a similar equal rights approach in Colorado would create an invasive regime where women are investigated for miscarriages on a whim.

Of course, these are scare tactics. The 2014 Brady Amendment is designed to protect pregnant women and their unborn children from criminal acts. It simply acknowledges that unborn children like 8 pound, 2 ounce Brady, who was killed by a drunk driver, deserve justice. The amendment would not seek out women who tragically experience miscarriage; rather, it would equip prosecutors to charge violent criminals who harm pregnant women and their children. Moreover, invasive police investigations for miscarriage did not occur prior to Roe v. Wade, when abortion was illegal.

Even in El Salvador, only a minuscule fraction of the country’s 3 million women are charged with abortion-related crimes – far fewer than would be expected if one took the Guttmacher Institute’s laughably inflated estimates of illegal abortions at face value. Clearly the Salvadoran police aren’t putting out the dragnet for post-abortive women, much less women who have experienced tragic miscarriages. In reality, El Salvador fosters a culture of life where abortion is neither needed nor wanted.

As expected, Bougher trots out the Beatriz case as her abortion advocacy coup de grâce. International abortion advocacy groups exerted their cultural imperialism upon Beatriz’s case in order to pressure tiny El Salvador into allowing abortion on demand. Activists like Bougher alleged that Beatriz’s life was in danger because she was diagnosed with lupus and kidney difficulties. Furthermore, they asserted that her child, who suffered from a severe brain abnormality called anencephaly, possessed no right to life.

Abortion activists ignored expert medical testimony before the high court that Beatriz’s pregnancy posed no serious or immediate threat to her life. El Salvador already permits interventions that may risk the life of the baby to save the life of the mother. In its decision, the Salvadoran Supreme Court heeded the advice of the nation’s Institute of Legal Medicine, which advised against abortion and testified that “there is no medical reason to terminate the pregnancy.” Even Beatriz’s own doctors saw no need to carry out an abortion, suggesting a c-section instead.

Eventually, doctors did induce delivery via c-section. Beatriz recovered well, and her baby girl was given treatment similar to any other baby born prematurely. The baby did not survive because of her condition, but she was given palliative treatment with the care and dignity that every human being deserves. During an abortion, this innocent baby girl would have been violently dismembered in the womb and removed piece by piece. Is that really a preferable alternative?

El Salvador’s laws affirm the equal value and dignity of every human being. There ought not be any preferential treatment toward certain human beings at the expense of others. Human rights – like the right to life – should be equal for all. Isn’t that something that every country should strive toward?

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PJ4

Even Beatriz’s own doctors saw no need to carry out an abortion.

Whoa whoa who!
Hold the phone and back up!
Bougher is suggesting that laws (politics) should have gotten in the way of the woman and her doctor????

Say it aint so!!!

Ah we’ll…that’s what I love about pro aborts: sooner or later, their hypocrisy and idiocy catches up with them.

Would Colorado be more like El Slvador?

Considering the fact that El Salvador didn’t house Gosnel, Karpen, Carhart, Alexander, Liveright,Mansour Panah, Iris Dominy, Steven Chase Brigham,Soleiman M. Soli, Mi Yong Kim, Alberto Hodari, Rodney Lee Stephens, Reginald Sharpe et al ( there are too many more to list) let’s hope we as a world power will start emulating that tiny third world country.

*On a side note:
If abortion advocates can use Savita and Beatriz (very rare occurrences) as excuses to make abortion demand legal in other countries, why can’t pro lifers use the deaths and maimings of Reeves, Morballi, Gilbert, Mongar, Byer, Gravely, Butler,et al (clearly not rare occurrences) as a reason to have abortion made illegal here?

PJ4

Dear Wendy,
Why do you continue to use Left Wing Nut Job shill blogs as an authority to justify your love of killing babies?

The rh “article” is so far removed from the reality of what the actual bill entailed it’s almost embarrassing.
Yet you continue to support such deceit disguised as “journalism”

Ingrid Heimark

Not only is RHRC extremely biased and manipulative with their articles, discouraging adoption and CPCs, but the commenters extremely rude. It is weird when commenters get voted up by saying we want to kill women with fetuses. Yak

PJ4

Ugh, I know… They’re down right evil.
Ah well… just goes to show the difference between most pro lifers and most pro aborts/anti-lifers

PJ4

Say what you like, Beatriz is alive and doing ok.
US law allowed Tonya Reeves to die at the hand of Planned Parenthood. Her family was only give 2 million dollars. Her other child is now without a mother.
How does this affirm her value and dignity?

*Sorry but RH is a very unreliable source. They embellish in favor of abortion… so .. citing them is just silly.

Ingrid Heimark

Yes she is alive, thereby PROVING an abortion was not nessecary.

PJ4

Exactly!! That’s is the most important point here!
Thank you for bringing that up.
All of the Left wing shills were harping about how she was going to die if she didn’t get this “life saving abortion”

I bet those harpies are upset she lived as it didn’t help their agenda.

ldwendy

She is very sick. The pregnancy aggravated and worsened her lupus. She is in pain a lot of time. Her poor health and constant medical appointment is making it difficult for her to learn a trade.

She is alive, but barely so.

PJ4

Oh so you know her personally then?

sandraleesmith46

You don’t know it was the pregnancy and not the lupus itself that is responsible for that. Lupus can be a slow progression or it can be aggressive and fast. She could also be in the middle of a flare that will go into a remission just now. Kindly don’t go off half-cocked.

Ingrid Heimark

So she wanted this child. Maybe we can then assume she opted for abortion only after learning about the fatal diagnosis, and not actually be in need of the abortion, just claiming she did to terminate this baby’s life. The baby wasn’t good enough for her?

cp2895

“The baby wasn’t good enough for her?”
That’s not fair. Doctors had
determined long before the c-section took place that the baby wasn’t
developing a brain, meaning that regardless of whether she was born or
not, she would never survive more than a few hours. This young woman had
to decide between two terrible options: terminate a very much-wanted
pregnancy, or take a massive risk with her life, health, and, by
extension, the future of her other child. She just picked the one that
she believed was less awful. I believe that it is possible to be
pro-life and have firm opinions over an abortion vs. a c-section in this
case without disrespecting what Beatriz had to go through, or the
decision she made. Suggesting that she wanted an abortion solely
because she decided that the baby suddenly “wasn’t good enough for her”
is cruel and willfully ignores many important facts in this case. She
deserves kindness and compassion from all of us, pro-choice and pro-life
alike.

Ingrid Heimark

i am just saying that if she would have kept the baby if the baby was healthy, this is a case of hiding the truth behind a “life-saving abortion” claim

cp2895

For me, the difference is that the baby was not born unhealthy or disabled; she was born with a body that was 100% incompatible with life and survival. It’s possible that Beatriz, after realizing she could not save or preserve the life of her baby by continuing the pregnancy (as is occasionally the case), made the decision to seek an abortion in order preserve her own life and health. I don’t know what Beatriz was thinking at any stage of her pregnancy or whether she would have terminated regardless of viability. However, I think it’s important to remember that many women in Beatriz’s situation who’ve had abortions had good intentions and loving motives, and were trying to do right by their unborn child and the rest of their families by making that decision. Even though it’s a tragic situation, we shouldn’t immediately assume that the mother’s motives were selfish or evil just because we don’t like the outcome.

Ingrid Heimark

Yes, and this has resulted in parents puting out pictures of their aborted babies with down syndrome on internet, in serach of sympathy. Anencephaly is another thing, I get that, but then she should be honest instead of trying to deflect the issue over to her health

cp2895

Okay, I see what you’re saying.

I don’t know that she was necessarily deflecting the issue over to her health. I’m very glad and relieved that she is alive and stable post c-section, but pregnancy is a tricky thing, and it could easily have gone very badly. Even though we know the outcome now, we don’t necessarily know how good or poor her prognosis was at different stages of the pregnancy before the c-section, or what the potential/ expected outcomes of continuing the pregnancy were.

All of that was to say that it could very well have been that her primary concern after the diagnosis was to preserve her life and health, and that she wasn’t being dishonest or using it to deflect attention away from the abortion.

Ingrid Heimark

Yes, I just can’t stop wondering whether she would have asked for the abortion if the baby was healthy

Mindy Robinson

Ingrid it is very easy to be manipulated by those who know how to pull heart strings. The reality is we do not have the right to decide if an infant lives or does not, that is the bottom line.

Mindy Robinson

We do not have the right to decide who lives and who does not and the reasons have become quite obvious.

sandraleesmith46

The fact is that an anencephalic baby can’t survive long extrauterine, even at full term. They seldom make even 24 hours post partum. But for those sharks to latch onto this poor girl at such a time and USE her like this is even worse than how they used the ones over whom they got Roe v Wade passed here!

Ingrid Heimark

Do you have any OBJECTIVE sources to back up your preposterous claim?

Basset_Hound

RH Reality Check wrote a whining diatribe about why abortionists shouldn’t follow the same procedures required of teachers, pastors, social workers, and counselors who work with teenagers to report suspected sexual abuse to the authorities. You want to tell us THAT’S an “objective” site???
Excuse me while I go hurl chucks.

So laws requiring teachers, doctors, social workers and counselors to report suspected sexual abuse of the children under their care are a good idea….but expecting abortion providers to follow the same standards “targets” them????

Nauseating….

Josh Craddock

Hi ldwendy, I added the citation you asked for. :)

ldwendy

Thank you, Josh!

Mindy Robinson

Get a grip!

Mindy Robinson

This from idwendy , a lover of infant butchering. I would suggest you be aborted idwendy.

Basset_Hound

” I would suggest you be aborted idwendy.”

This was totally uncalled for. Every time we resort to this argument, we’re no better than the pro-aborts.

ldwendy

Thank you!

Basset_Hound

I downvoted Mindy’s comment too. I don’t know how the new whacked up version of Discus handles this.

JDC

Apparently, they’ve decided they are not going to show the downvote count anymore, allow it is used in sorting comments. Yet another example of an internet company changing something that was working just fine for no good reason.