Steve – we tried to be explicit at our Connect site that we couldn’t promise to get back to every user on every bug filed. Fortunately we have great people in our community who are also involved in that feedback site – so many issues are being touched & commented on by other folks as well.

That said, we do have people on this team looking at the issues filed against the site every day. I personally triage through issues on a daily basis myself. Sorry if we haven’t gotten to your issues yet – but we probably will!

I just believe when you get the bugs out send them as a download so we can get these freeze situations corrected. I am not a computer wiz and don’t want the technical side, I just want this system to work smooth. I do not enjoy rebooting every 2nd or 3rd time I get into my emails. I am just a consumer asking for service. gbh100@earthlink.net

Not being funny but what is wrong with Microsoft? – They can’t do ANYTHING right!

Oh look a microsoft computer messed up by a Microsoft browser – whenever i try and uninstall IE 7 BETA 2 "Cannot be uninstalled from this user account. Please log on to the same user account from which it was installed on and try again"?

IT WOULD HELP IF I HADN’T DELTED THE USER ACCOUNT I INSTALLED IT ON…

So what am I gonna do? the accounts gone I cant uninstall IE 7

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE – PATHETIC!

I’ve stayed loyal to Microsoft for years now all the crap your software has put me through I stuck by you…This is the last straw not no more Microsoft..Had enough *Sets FireFox as default browser – permanently!*

Windows XP users wait nearly 6 years for a browser update (I don’t consider sp2 much of anything), MS throws them a broken bone, as in IE7, then moves on to Vista?

My question is, why is XP being left out in the cold after IE7? I remember reading that IE7 will likely be the last browser MS releases for XP.

So Firefox and Opera are going to continue to innovate and release browsers, yet Microsoft is not only not innovating as quickly, they are proactively pushing XP into obsolescence. All this work on IE7 gets Vista to a nearly acceptable level on release, then where will MS leave Vista users?

Microsoft is leaving DVD burning out of Vista Home Basic? I know this is off-topic, but it is quite related. Why in the world would a feature like that be left out? Because Microsoft isn’t really concerned about the customer.

Can you imaging read-only access to a USB Flash Drive?

Yet people put up with that in XP, which was heavily invested in by Microsoft customers.

Microsoft customers should demand DVD burning to be back-ported natively to XP, this is absurd.

Customers investing in XP had a level of trust proferred to Microsoft and Microsoft has violated it.

Don’t forget that Microsoft also promised CD-MRW support for XP as well, then reneged and only gave read-support to CD-MRW formatted discs in XP SP1.

(#2) The DOM method of setting attributes, you know, the one in the spec, the one that everyone is/should be using, doesn’t work in MSIE7 Beta2 for SEVERAL attributes… Again, is this bug targeted for being fixed by MSIE7 Final?

(#3) PNG Images rendering darker than they were designed. Is this going to be fixed?

(#4) A proper, line accurate JavaScript debugger. This is a HUGE issue impeding development in MSIE. I currently wouldn’t even dream of developing in MSIE ATM, because the JavaScript debugging (to trolls: read[built in]) is pitifal.

(#5) The:

<button value="SubmitThis">NotThis</button>

After much heated discussion, we are all waiting to find out if the suggested implementation is going to be fixed in IE7, or if we just have to give up on using this element forever… (or until IE8 comes out, and IE6, and IE7 are deprecated?… 2010?)

etc., etc., etc.

As mentioned several times… we don’t care so much that it is fixed, or isn’t fixed, but WE DO WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS PLANS TO HAVE THESE THINGS FIXED… so that we can plan our developments… decide which browsers our applications will support, which versions etc.

I am new to this blog, just registered on here last night. I would like to say a big Thank You to Microsoft for doing an outstanding job in the accessibility department. I have been blind since birth and use a screen reader which reads everything aloud to me that appears on the screen. I installed the beta of IE7 a few weeks ago and for the most part I am very happy with it. There is one minor bug which is not Microsoft-related, but rather it is related to my screenreader’s interaction with this beta. However, as I found out yesterday this bug will be fixed in subsequent releases of the screen reader in question. Once again, I tip my hat off to you folks at Microsoft and keep up the great work!

In regards to Steve’s comment with bug #3… The PNG gAMA bug is by far the most aggravating bug I have ever encountered with IE. The best feature PNG images have (besides Alpha Transparency) is gamma correction. PNGs gAMA is such an awesome feature and it’s such a shame I have to edit the gAMA chunk out in order to get PNGs to have proper color in IE.

It seems like that would such a simple fix, and it baffles me why it hasn’t been addressed.

1.) "It’s a simple fix" – you can never say that accurately unless you have the source code. It might seem easy to you, but you have no idea what goes on under the hood.

2.) "lets hope for a bug free release" – for any functional, realworld (i.e., non "hello world" software) there is no such thing as "bug free" releases. There are bugs, there will always be bugs. All programs have them, it’s just a fact of life. It’s not an MS problem, it’s just a flaw of humans who can’t make perfect code.

3.) "IE7 is too buggy" – there’s a reason why it’s beta software and MS doesn’t recommend running it on a production system. Running it on a production system and complaining its buggy is like taking a toaster into the shower with you and complaining that you got electrocuted, despite the fact that you ignored the warning. You didn’t use the product as directed, it’s your fault.

In short, think before you complain. It’s good to submit bug reports, it’s good suggest ideas, but "IE7 I’m switching to Firefox" solves nothing. If you don’t like IE7, you think it’s buggy and broken, just remember, there’s a reason why it’s beta! If MS released the current IE7 as production then you’d have reason to complain. But as you complain that there are still bugs, you also complain that they are taking forever to release! Which do you want, a buggy quick release, or a stable slower release? That’s what it really comes down to…

codemastr, I’ve just recently gotten into programming (Python) but am familiar with development for server-side programing/scripting (PHP, SQL, Perl). So yes, I do know what goes on under the hood to some extent (no, I’m no Python expert yet and don’t mean to pass myself off as such). But I also understand the the basics of the PNG format. IE is simply outputting an incorrect gamma. I’ve never bothered looking into it in detail, but I think IE is putting out a 2.5 PNG gamma when I believe it’s supposed to be putting out a 2.2. I don’t believe Microsoft’s developers should have any trouble fixing that. But I could be wrong.

jace: "Microsoft is leaving DVD burning out of Vista Home Basic? … Why in the world would a feature like that be left out? Because Microsoft isn’t really concerned about the customer."

Um… maybe because not all home users need DVD burning?

Take a simple home user who uses a PC for web surfing, email, playing games, word processing, and maybe the occasional spreadsheet. Why should this user have to pay for all these advanced features that he doesn’t need? People complain when MS bundles stuff and forces them to pay for it whether or not they need it. Here they’re not doing that: they’re giving home users several choices so they can pick the edition that best fits their needs.

There’s probably a lot of bugs that fall into that category. But IE7 is nearing the end of the beta testing cycle. If you go ahead and fix all these "should be easy" bugs, you end up pushing off your release date. Remember, there will always be more bugs to fix, and eventually you need to draw the line.

Plus, I’d rather have the team working on the "harder" bugs (e.g. those with security and stability implications) right now, than on new features, regardless of how easy the feature could be.

What is humourous about the post you made, is that it actually highlights several bugs at once.

1.) The submit behaviour of <button value="this">notthis</button> has been busted longer than I can recall.

2.) The rendering of the <input type="button"/>,<input type="submit"/>,<input type="reset"/> All have the visual bug you mentioned, when they get stretched to 19 typical chars, or "medium sized" if your font size is large (e.g. 16pt)

3.) The padding (left and right) of the text on large buttons, seems to grow oddly… ~50px on both sides, once the value of the button increases to more than 12 (guessing) characters.

Again, this is one of those, there doesn’t even need to be a bug entered for bugs… as everyone that uses the OS, knows about this bug.

"codemastr, I’ve just recently gotten into programming (Python) but am familiar with development for server-side programing/scripting (PHP, SQL, Perl). So yes, I do know what goes on under the hood to some extent"

Python/PHP/Perl are completely seperate from Windows/C++ development. The level of difficulty goes up by quite some for it. Adding on to that is the fact that there are probably several dozen developers working on IE and Microsoft is a large company.

Like codemastr pointed out, you cannot state the difficulty of a change unless you have the source code. There is so much more involved than just a simple WriteLine().

Agreed and I’m aware of that. The Windows programming environment is much different then what I’m familiar with. But with the experience I do have, I understand that the programming environment (regardless of what programming language is used) is not always easy going. However the PNG format is open source so Microsoft’s developers can’t complain about patent issues and all the other non-sense that GIFs have. The fact of the matter is IE already reads PNG’s gAMA chunk, but it takes the sRGB standard 0.45455 (gamma 2.2) and puts it out somewhere around 0.40000 (gamma 2.5). Mac uses gamma 1.8 (0.55556), PC uses gamma 2.5 (0.40000), and the happy medium is supposed to be 2.2 (0.45455).

This happy medium was created in part by Microsoft in conjunction with Hewlett Packard and the International Color Consortium. It deals with the sRGB color space that uses a standard gamma of 2.2.

Webmasters have long advocated the use of PNGs in place of GIFs. IE finally has Alpha Transparency support (and I thank Microsoft for that) which takes PNGs off the shelf, but they still need dusted off. IE7 is still in beta, and even after that it won’t become the standard replacement for IE6 for a good while yet; and regardless we still can’t take full advantage of PNGs yet because of the gAMA problem.

And when I said the gamma problem is the most aggravating problem that I think IE has, I don’t mean to pass it off as the most important. There are issues that are far, far more important then PNGs, but the gamma problem is just plain aggravating. 🙂

I’m not trying to be unfair, but I think that in all fairness, and at a minimum IE 7.5 should ship for XP, Home, Media and Professional.

To be honest, IE 7.0 is quite good and I use it every day. I have used each public preview/beta and find that it is steadily improving. With just 2 or 3 simple niceties, I would be comfortable using this browser for 2-3 more years.

I am not one that likes to change solid working technology, but knowing that I should have had an IE 7 3 years ago, and an 8.0 now, makes me hope that we’ll get 7.0 and at least a 7.5 that will help XP along for the rest of the consumer/business ROI (on XP) cycle.

I have never seen this level of irresposability to their users from any company, as software developer my goal is to make sure that I give a SOLID product even in beta and more when it affects the experience witth the product. Not patch, not hotfix, not nothing. THIS PRODUCT IS LESS THAN BETA,should be considered as an alpha product, everybody make the switch to another browser: Opera, Firefox, Maxthon or any other that cares to give a SOLID product even if in beta. At least switch from browser till they fix this CRAP, sorry IE devs and I am being generous by calling it crap, Make IE open source, so developers like me can make it a lot better than it is and considering web Standars.

Sam, maybe you should look at my post at here. not only in this topic.

I have been sending thousand of feedbacks, which is the trouble? THE SAME OF THE MILLIONS OF MILLIONS USERS WITH THE CSS, and microsoft thinking they make the standars, guess what they don’t, sorry to show my frustrastion, I have read thousand of post at Msoft network and other sites, is ABOUT NOT DISPLAYING THE WEBSITES CORRRECTLY, CSS IE rendering and the browse itself. If you are looking for more information then go to MSN and put current IE bugs or google it. really for what you want a browser if you can’t display the webpages correctly? Almost all the pages are switching to CSS. want to know about another bug? The plugins in IE are not working well, like Adobe Flash player.

And those are millions of feedback and we are not getting the feedbacks. If they are going to work on IE again, they have to do it well, otherwise let the other browser take over. The only thing holding me to switch to firefox is windows update, which guess what? Don’t work without IE and obiously that you can’t really remove IE from control panel.