Three years in a row we lose to the Cougars at home. Oh well, we are still a one seed out west barring another loss in the tourney. Still an incredible season. If we had simply made some free throws it isn't even a game but it happens.

Natethegreat wrote:Three years in a row we lose to the Cougars at home. Oh well, we are still a one seed out west barring another loss in the tourney. Still an incredible season. If we had simply made some free throws it isn't even a game but it happens.

Wouldnt be so sure about that. I bet whoever wins the pac 12 tourney is #1 seed out west now. UCLA, Arizona and Oregon all have better resumes.

Natethegreat wrote:Three years in a row we lose to the Cougars at home. Oh well, we are still a one seed out west barring another loss in the tourney. Still an incredible season. If we had simply made some free throws it isn't even a game but it happens.

Wouldnt be so sure about that. I bet whoever wins the pac 12 tourney is #1 seed out west now. UCLA, Arizona and Oregon all have better resumes.

Wasn't it your team that needed a choke job by a terrible team to win today? Also Oregon does not have a better resume.Nor do Arizona or UCLA for that matter.

Natethegreat wrote:Three years in a row we lose to the Cougars at home. Oh well, we are still a one seed out west barring another loss in the tourney. Still an incredible season. If we had simply made some free throws it isn't even a game but it happens.

Wouldnt be so sure about that. I bet whoever wins the pac 12 tourney is #1 seed out west now. UCLA, Arizona and Oregon all have better resumes.

Wasn't it your team that needed a choke job by a terrible team to win today? Also Oregon does not have a better resume.Nor do Arizona or UCLA for that matter.

Oregon and Arizona were already ahead of Gonzaga in RPI (the official college basketball resume rankings) even before they lost today.

seeding doesnt matter who cares, going undefeated is too rare one of the hardest things to do in college basketball is to run the table all the way through march madness. Look Wichita State few years ago....35-0 and lose in 2nd round. Zags have a good team whatever seed they are this team still has final four expectations more than ever

Natethegreat wrote:Three years in a row we lose to the Cougars at home. Oh well, we are still a one seed out west barring another loss in the tourney. Still an incredible season. If we had simply made some free throws it isn't even a game but it happens.

Wouldnt be so sure about that. I bet whoever wins the pac 12 tourney is #1 seed out west now. UCLA, Arizona and Oregon all have better resumes.

Wasn't it your team that needed a choke job by a terrible team to win today? Also Oregon does not have a better resume.Nor do Arizona or UCLA for that matter.

Oregon and Arizona were already ahead of Gonzaga in RPI even before they lost today.

And yet their resume still isn't better than the zags. If the committe ranked the teams simply on their RPI ranking their would be no need to have a committee at all(and the only reason they are ahead is simply because of the massive amount of weight the RPI gives for strength of schedule).Most brackets have UCLA as a 3 or 4 and Arizona as a 2 or 3 seed that might be flipped after UCLA's win today but regardless they don't have better resumes.

Yeah Zag fans shouldn't be too worried about the loss. In the end, it's probably a good thing for them. Less pressure, and I'm a believer that you need a loss to keep focus.

Most likely Zags drop to a #2 seed. When the seedings first came out a week or two ago, the Zags weren't the top #1 seed, meaning if they lost a game they'd likely fall to a #2 seed.

Assuming nothing crazy happens in the conference tourneys, Villanova, UNC and Kansas should all be #1 seeds. I think the last spot likely goes to the winner of the Pac-12 tournament assuming either Arizona, Oregon or UCLA win it.

As far as resume's go, I'd probably put all three of those Pac-12 schools ahead of Gonzaga. They are all very close.

Like someone else mentioned. The tourney is all about matchups and luck.

Hawk-Lock wrote:Yeah Zag fans shouldn't be too worried about the loss. In the end, it's probably a good thing for them. Less pressure, and I'm a believer that you need a loss to keep focus.

Most likely Zags drop to a #2 seed. When the seedings first came out a week or two ago, the Zags weren't the top #1 seed, meaning if they lost a game they'd likely fall to a #2 seed.

Assuming nothing crazy happens in the conference tourneys, Villanova, UNC and Kansas should all be #1 seeds. I think the last spot likely goes to the winner of the Pac-12 tournament assuming either Arizona, Oregon or UCLA win it.

As far as resume's go, I'd probably put all three of those Pac-12 schools ahead of Gonzaga. They are all very close.

Like someone else mentioned. The tourney is all about matchups and luck.

I agree that a 1 or 2 seed isn't much of a difference as long as its still in the West bracket. It is ridiculous to say that UCLA or Arizonas' resumes are even as good as Gonzagas' let alone better. Oregon I suppose an anrgument could be made but I wouldn't agree with it.Of the three teams I think only Oregon has a chance to jump the Zags and as long as the Zags win their tournament I doubt that Oregon does.

No Pac 12 team has more top 50 wins than the Zags but all have more losses and while Oregon has more top 100 wins their worst loss is much worse than the zags and they have three top 100 losses to go along with their sub 100 loss.

In short you have to have your Pac 12 glasses on to claim they have better resumes or even equal. Joe Lunardi has the Zags as a 1 as does CBS as well.

Hawk-Lock wrote:Yeah Zag fans shouldn't be too worried about the loss. In the end, it's probably a good thing for them. Less pressure, and I'm a believer that you need a loss to keep focus.

Most likely Zags drop to a #2 seed. When the seedings first came out a week or two ago, the Zags weren't the top #1 seed, meaning if they lost a game they'd likely fall to a #2 seed.

Assuming nothing crazy happens in the conference tourneys, Villanova, UNC and Kansas should all be #1 seeds. I think the last spot likely goes to the winner of the Pac-12 tournament assuming either Arizona, Oregon or UCLA win it.

As far as resume's go, I'd probably put all three of those Pac-12 schools ahead of Gonzaga. They are all very close.

Like someone else mentioned. The tourney is all about matchups and luck.

I agree that a 1 or 2 seed isn't much of a difference as long as its still in the West bracket. It is ridiculous to say that UCLA or Arizonas' resumes are even as good as Gonzagas' let alone better. Oregon I suppose an anrgument could be made but I wouldn't agree with it.Of the three teams I think only Oregon has a chance to jump the Zags and as long as the Zags win their tournament I doubt that Oregon does.

No Pac 12 team has more top 50 wins than the Zags but all have more losses and while Oregon has more top 100 wins their worst loss is much worse than the zags and they have three top 100 losses to go along with their sub 100 loss.

In short you have to have your Pac 12 glasses on to claim they have better resumes or even equal. Joe Lunardi has the Zags as a 1 as does CBS as well.

The big thing going against Gonzaga is their SOS, right now it is 104. In the end, you have to penalize them for playing in the WCC. I'm aware they did well in the non-conference, but you have to take into account Gonzaga has only played one tournamet team in the past couple months (St Mary's). Personally, I think losing a close game on the road to a tournament team is better than blowing out a bunch of scrubs like San Diego or Portland. They could still get a #1 seed, but they no longer control their own destiny. They will likely need someone other than UNC, Kansas or the three big Pac-12 teams to win their conference tournaments.

It will be interesting to see the seeding today. I think the Zags are a 1 seed in the west and Arizona is a 1 in the south.

Do they discount Dukes 8 losses, 91 first ranked non con schedule, not playing an away game till conference play, fifth place conference finish, and losing three of four games before their tourney run and give them a one seed?A lot of talking heads are pushing for it but I doubt it happens.

I think Oregon may get pushed to a three seed after losing Boucher which is unfortunate.

Nova and KU are locks for the #1. The ACC is the best conference, either UNC or Duke will be the third #1. Then it comes down to Gonzaga or Arizona. Gonzaga beat Arizona earlier this season, I think Zags get it. Nova, KU, UNC and Zags would be my guess. Although I could see Duke replacing UNC now that they won their conference tournament.

Creighton is struggling. They lost their star PG, Mo Watson, midway through the season. They are nothing special, I actually think Rhode Island will upset them. Bottom part of that bracket is tough with Louisville and Michigan. Michigan is scary good right now and has a lot of momentum. If Louisville can get by Michigan in the second round, I like them to win that region.

Creighton is struggling. They lost their star PG, Mo Watson, midway through the season. They are nothing special, I actually think Rhode Island will upset them. Bottom part of that bracket is tough with Louisville and Michigan. Michigan is scary good right now and has a lot of momentum. If Louisville can get by Michigan in the second round, I like them to win that region.

I agree, I also think Kansas is overrated overall. Good team but not great.

Creighton is struggling. They lost their star PG, Mo Watson, midway through the season. They are nothing special, I actually think Rhode Island will upset them. Bottom part of that bracket is tough with Louisville and Michigan. Michigan is scary good right now and has a lot of momentum. If Louisville can get by Michigan in the second round, I like them to win that region.

I agree, I also think Kansas is overrated overall. Good team but not great.

Agreed. They played a lot of close games this year but were able to pull out games late. They are very thin upfront.

I think Zags got a good draw. They should get into the Sweet 16 easily. Neither Vandy or Northwestern is that good. ND and WVU are good, but I think Zags can get by them. WVU could be tough as they full court press you very hard, but Zags have the guards to beat the press. Bottom part of the bracket is tougher with Arizona, VCU, St Mary's, and Florida St. I think we see a rematch of Gonzaga and Arizona. If I had to pick, I'd take Arizona over them.

Zags should make the sweet sixteen. I think Saint Mary's has a tough draw with VCU. If they can get by them I am highly interested in the Arizona match up as well.They managed to guarantee either a rematch with Arizona or a fourth game against SMC. Seems like they could have put them one different bracket but whatever.

Florida St is probably the most talented team in that region, but they remind me so much of Romar's old Washington teams. Full of talent but poorly coached and don't run any offense. The more I look at it, the more I like the draws for Gonzaga and Arizona. I think they meet in a great westcoast Elite 8 matchup.

Hawk-Lock wrote:Typical WVU there at the end. Up 3 and they are hip bumping at the half court line with Gonzaga in the double bonus. With how WVU played near the end, THEY DESERVED TO LOSE.

I agree with that last part. WVU played maul ball and uglied the game up because they don't have the talent the Zags do. Its how WVU beat Kansas at home and should have on the road too (not to mention Baylor and other really good teams).This Zag team is really good and they have been playing really tight so far offensively.I predict they break out against Xavier. Its so obvious how tight the guards have been playing. Perkins won't even shoot the three and and no one else is hitting their tries. Not to mention the terrible free throw shooting all tournament so far. This won't last forever.