Does the headline mean that 17.6% of the United States population are illegal Chinese immigrants, or does the headline mean that the number of Chinese "anchor babies" born to illegal Chinese immigrants is equal to 17.6% of the United States population?

In other news, China DOES, in fact, issue travel permits to Party affiliated couples to come to the US for the exclusive purpose of having a baby here. Then the baby gets raised in China, where it learns that the roundeye is the enemy of the world, America didn't go to the moon and that America has only one kind of chicken: fried chicken. Not hyperbolic there, All of those ridiculous things have been said to me by Chicoms.

And we play along in the name of short term profits. Of course, it always works out for America when we put short term financial gain over sensible long term policies. Right?

"For example, at the Starfish kindergarten at Guantou, Liangjiang county, 80% of its students hold foreign citizenship. American citizenship accounts for the majority."-=-Scary!These children are being programmed for future use in their country of citizenship!

Insatiable Jesus:In other news, China DOES, in fact, issue travel permits to Party affiliated couples to come to the US for the exclusive purpose of having a baby here. Then the baby gets raised in China, where it learns that the roundeye is the enemy of the world, America didn't go to the moon and that America has only one kind of chicken: fried chicken. Not hyperbolic there, All of those ridiculous things have been said to me by Chicoms.

And we play along in the name of short term profits. Of course, it always works out for America when we put short term financial gain over sensible long term policies. Right?

BS.I have yet to see a single chinese, let alone chinese american, under the age of 40 who (after spending a year in the states) prefers going back to china and it's stinky gutters.

Now the kids of elite chinese, however.. that's a very different story. for them, it's stay in china/hong kong until 18, go to college in US (and pay exorbitant non-resident fees or go to private schools like USC that benefit greatly from their RMB)... then return to china to take on ready-made top careers set up by their families.

or, at least, they are supposed to. often, they get together with nice white boys, refuse to come home, or refuse to come home unless the white boy gets to come along too...

... much to the frustration of chinese boys at college who have to console themselves with counter-strike and learning CSS....

Stoker:"For example, at the Starfish kindergarten at Guantou, Liangjiang county, 80% of its students hold foreign citizenship. American citizenship accounts for the majority."-=-Scary!These children are being programmed for future use in their country of citizenship!

/Extreme enough? (Going for the panic buttons.)

Doesn't that dual citizenship expire when they turn 18 if they don't do something to keep it, e.g. move to the U.S.? And even if they did keep their U.S. citizenship and use it for nefarious purposes (as Subby seems to believe), I would imagine that by the time any Chinese conspirators would want to "activate" them, the world would likely have changed so much from when they were born that they may no longer be useful. Which makes the whole idea a very risky bet for the Chinese.

/not passing judgement until I see a more reputable source for this story

You know what? Given the choice I'll take chinese over mexicans. Both groups work their ass off but at least the chinese have enough sense to attempt to learn the damn language of the place they are immigrating to.

Kind of scary that I'm not qualified for almost any of the retail jobs in my area because I don't speak spanish.

Dimensio:Does the headline mean that 17.6% of the United States population are illegal Chinese immigrants, or does the headline mean that the number of Chinese "anchor babies" born to illegal Chinese immigrants is equal to 17.6% of the United States population?

Either way, I think that we would have noticed.

I think he means 58 million Chinese who were born in America are being raised in China as an unstoppable invading army. Why are they unstoppable you ask? They are American citizens, so they will just show their passports to get in the country! The invasion begins when the first wave turns 21. Which just happens to be Dec 21st, 2012!

That's an interesting system...send the kids back to be raised by grandparents until they're 5 and can attend public school, thus reducing childcare (which would be prohibitively expensive in the states for the number of hours they would need it). Honestly, it's probably better for the kids than being left in 16 hr/day daycare or, as I've seen in some cases, for the baby to be raised in a nail salon (I can't imagine what those fumes do to a developing brain).

RembrandtQEinstein:You know what? Given the choice I'll take chinese over mexicans. Both groups work their ass off but at least the chinese have enough sense to attempt to learn the damn language of the place they are immigrating to.

Kind of scary that I'm not qualified for almost any of the retail jobs in my area because I don't speak spanish.

duenor:Insatiable Jesus: In other news, China DOES, in fact, issue travel permits to Party affiliated couples to come to the US for the exclusive purpose of having a baby here. Then the baby gets raised in China, where it learns that the roundeye is the enemy of the world, America didn't go to the moon and that America has only one kind of chicken: fried chicken. Not hyperbolic there, All of those ridiculous things have been said to me by Chicoms.

And we play along in the name of short term profits. Of course, it always works out for America when we put short term financial gain over sensible long term policies. Right?

BS.I have yet to see a single chinese, let alone chinese american, under the age of 40 who (after spending a year in the states) prefers going back to china and it's stinky gutters.

Now the kids of elite chinese, however.. that's a very different story. for them, it's stay in china/hong kong until 18, go to college in US (and pay exorbitant non-resident fees or go to private schools like USC that benefit greatly from their RMB)... then return to china to take on ready-made top careers set up by their families.

or, at least, they are supposed to. often, they get together with nice white boys, refuse to come home, or refuse to come home unless the white boy gets to come along too...

... much to the frustration of chinese boys at college who have to console themselves with counter-strike and learning CSS....

I was going ro post somethingLike this but don't they just kill female babies? Or at lest make sure it'll be a boy

secondly this is good news for the US!!!! Looks like China is a net profit for the US to counter the 'net loss' of illegal Mexican immigrants with anchor babies.

FTFA it seems like China's illegals come to work in the US and leave their families behind. Once these workers stop being productive (in the US) they go back to them.Mexicans bring their entire family, stay put and then have kids to suck off the welfare system...

duenor:Insatiable Jesus: In other news, China DOES, in fact, issue travel permits to Party affiliated couples to come to the US for the exclusive purpose of having a baby here. Then the baby gets raised in China, where it learns that the roundeye is the enemy of the world, America didn't go to the moon and that America has only one kind of chicken: fried chicken. Not hyperbolic there, All of those ridiculous things have been said to me by Chicoms.

And we play along in the name of short term profits. Of course, it always works out for America when we put short term financial gain over sensible long term policies. Right?

BS.I have yet to see a single chinese, let alone chinese american, under the age of 40 who (after spending a year in the states) prefers going back to china and it's stinky gutters.

Now the kids of elite chinese, however.. that's a very different story. for them, it's stay in china/hong kong until 18, go to college in US (and pay exorbitant non-resident fees or go to private schools like USC that benefit greatly from their RMB)... then return to china to take on ready-made top careers set up by their families.

or, at least, they are supposed to. often, they get together with nice white boys, refuse to come home, or refuse to come home unless the white boy gets to come along too...

... much to the frustration of chinese boys at college who have to console themselves with counter-strike and learning CSS....

Hahaha. That's exactly how my best friend met his wife at USC. -right down to the powerful family, although she's from Taiwan.

She's pretty cool and so are her parents. They met getting their PhDs in biology.

I'm skeptical of this being as big of an epidemic as some claim. In Chinese culture, having the grandparents raise the kids is a pretty standard move. Normally you fly your parents over here and they help out for up to 6 months (the current max on a tourist visa), then your parents leave and your in-laws arrive. Rinse, wash, and repeat.

The other way to play it, is send the kid back. Maybe you can't afford to bring your parents over every year or INS is hassling them over their repeated visits. Or grandma just doesn't want to leave China. Then you send the kid over.

It's how a more traditional Chinese family works. The younger adults are supposed to be earning money, while grandma wrangles the kid(s) so mom and dad can put in overtime.

The other reason I'm skeptical is there is an entire industry of flying your pregnant wife over, having her pop one out, and then heading back to China. It can supposedly cost up to 50k all said and done (your wife is provided with house, a nurse, etc, it adds up). A lot of rich Chinese do this to avoid Chinese laws restricting the future residency of the child or just as a hedge in case China does collapse so the kid can easily relocate. Also because it makes it easier for the kid to come and go from America when they get their PhD from Stanford.

Basically poor Chinese, where poor means lives on under $20 USD a day, don't suddenly come up with the money for a round trip flight ticket and the means to go over and create an anchor baby. It's the rich ones. I'm sure some are coming over to work, but not some flood that is going to produce them in bulk.

At the end of the day I'm betting the vast majority of these kids belong to officials who wanted it to get the passport as a status symbol, convenience, safety net, etc. The others are being sent back to parents who want in on grandparental child care.

Maybe its just me, but that article written by Alia (the Holy Sister!!) seems like it was written as a middle school Social Studies report. It seemed rather disjointed in its writing style.maybe written by one of the kids themselves?

Stoker:"For example, at the Starfish kindergarten at Guantou, Liangjiang county, 80% of its students hold foreign citizenship. American citizenship accounts for the majority."-=-Scary!These children are being programmed for future use in their country of citizenship!

/Extreme enough? (Going for the panic buttons.)

Yeah, immediately sounded like a "slow invasion of the US" story by Orson Scott Card.

I like a lot of Card's stuff, but even I admit he is pretty out there with the doom-n-gloom scenarios. He's like an AWG zealot, except for the right.

When I was growing up Vancouver in the 90s, it seemed to be the opposite. Helicopter parents living back in China/Hong Kong earning beaucoup money while their kids live here, either with the grandparents or even alone. Even back then, it wasn't uncommon to see a 16 year-old Asian driving a brand new Beemer.

RembrandtQEinstein:You know what? Given the choice I'll take chinese over mexicans. Both groups work their ass off but at least the chinese have enough sense to attempt to learn the damn language of the place they are immigrating to.

Kind of scary that I'm not qualified for almost any of the retail jobs in my area because I don't speak spanish.

You should visit Vancouver. There's a reason it's nickname is Hongcouver. When any immigrant group becomes a sizeable minority, or even the majority, in their host city, why bother assimilating?

I judge people on their actions, not on their race, and Chinese tend to assimilate better than Mexicans.

They are more willing to adapt to our culture, learn our customs and speak our language.

Mexicans by contrast, demand special favors, special treatment, refuse to learn our language and reject our customs in favor of their own. They also demand immunity from any law they dislike, such as laws requiring them to drive responsibly, and also laws requiring them to immigrate legally.

They work for cash under the table and demand free food, free housing, free schools and free medical care

They will not come up to our standards, and want us to come down to theirs.

Nexzus:When I was growing up Vancouver in the 90s, it seemed to be the opposite. Helicopter parents living back in China/Hong Kong earning beaucoup money while their kids live here, either with the grandparents or even alone. Even back then, it wasn't uncommon to see a 16 year-old Asian driving a brand new Beemer.

RembrandtQEinstein: You know what? Given the choice I'll take chinese over mexicans. Both groups work their ass off but at least the chinese have enough sense to attempt to learn the damn language of the place they are immigrating to.

Kind of scary that I'm not qualified for almost any of the retail jobs in my area because I don't speak spanish.

You should visit Vancouver. There's a reason it's nickname is Hongcouver. When any immigrant group becomes a sizeable minority, or even the majority, in their host city, why bother assimilating?

My first reaction: Wow...The USA really should take better responsibility for it's citizens. Those kids should be with their parents.

My second thoughts: On the other hand, I am highly skeptical that the US would allow this to happen. I'd like to see a US source about the problem.

Problem? No problem. Chinese do not cause problems. Ignore the sign on that store about 'mailing' children. Also ignore the law that says store signage must be dual language. City hall and the NYPD sure do. Ignore the bus driver who does the casino/outlet mall runs that has no licence and hasn't slept in 30 hours. And all those 3am massage parlors are completely legit. Nevermind that the women are never allowed to leave the building and have a cot and a hot plate in the back closet.

In New York City, at least, the NYPD have been given indrect orders to look the other way in Chinatown, Flushing, etc, because they are 'economic contributors'

secondly this is good news for the US!!!! Looks like China is a net profit for the US to counter the 'net loss' of illegal Mexican immigrants with anchor babies.

FTFA it seems like China's illegals come to work in the US and leave their families behind. Once these workers stop being productive (in the US) they go back to them.Mexicans bring their entire family, stay put and then have kids to suck off the welfare system...

Not true. There are still plenty of people from china who bring their entire family over. Usually, its one kid with a college education and has a decent job, but its not honorable to leave the family behind, so they bring over the parents and sometimes grandparents. Of course, the elders have no skills or education, so they all share a single apartment and the elders are left to take care of kids, or just roam the streets.

Traditionally, come recycling night, you would see the homeless/poor people come up and down the block looking for cans and bottles to turn in for deposit. Its been years though since i saw a homeless person doing it. Instead, its wave after wave of elderly Chinese men and women. They came 7,000 miles to come pick garbage. fantastic.

Dimensio:Does the headline mean that 17.6% of the United States population are illegal Chinese immigrants, or does the headline mean that the number of Chinese "anchor babies" born to illegal Chinese immigrants is equal to 17.6% of the United States population?