It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Greg Lance – Watkins
Greg_L-W

eMail: Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com

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Hi,

I appreciate one should feel sorry for someone like Matt Quinn with his vitriolic obsessions buty if one has ever dipped into the sewer that passes for his blog I for one find it impossible.

It is clear the sad sick little man with his violent and random colour changes and gratuitous obscene language, used presumably to make him seem grown up in attitude but showing him as an ignorant and disturbed inadequate. His ability to distort and fantasise is astonishing as he consistently presents 2+2 as being at least 5 and more often than not more like qo times removed from reality or facvt – I see no point in presenting the corrections and facts to prove them awere one to fisk his rants as he would then be distorting yet more material to feed his sick and sickening posturing.

Suffice to say it is clear that he has lost his temper and made a complete fool of himself in his anger at being exposed and his fantasising about me is provably nonsense but frankly who cares what the silly little inadequate says or thinks! I have never cared what the ill informed and unstable have to say about me as I fortunately do not live in their world of gutter sweepings and I am in the fortunate position that those who know me know the truth and those who don’t, frankly what do I care what they think.

So back to dealing with the facts and exposing the truth:

Personally I have found Matt Quinn to be a toxic, dishonest, utterly corrupt and vituperative low life, with the reputation that if you locked him in a cupboard he would pick a fight with the shelves and distort any issue to support his sad sick self opinion and vicious self obsessed ego.

However he has proved to any but the foolish and the gullible to be a sad figure of self pity and vicious aggression willing to publish any libel aware that his best defence, were he brought to court, would be mental health – showing his long track record of difficulty with anger management and fantasy.

Matt Quinn’s sole contribution to the sad stories promoted by Anne McKay (nee Greig) and her fantasies readily latched onto by Robert Green, George McKendrick, Belinda McKenzie and the band of sick and delusional parasites who latched onto the stories about Holly Greig was that like the other paedophile tourist and sexually depraved voyeurs he would seem to have been there for his own self agrandisement and pleasure in finding others to attack to bolster his personal inadequacies and failures. He may equally likely be obsessed as a means to feed some sick interest in children, paedophelia and abuse of women, one can but speculate – but it is clear from his blog and other articles he is a very disturbed individual.

See also: CLICK HERE also HERE & also try entering Matt Quinn in the search box at the top of the Right Sidebar on this page, for more facts about the odious fellow.

Perhaps one of the best ways to consider this odious little inadequate is to read his daughter’s opinion of him.

You will note that the original site Matt Quinn’s daughter posted on has been removed by Google, there have I gather been claims made that the site was based on forged documents from the Scottish National Archive! I believe sucha an allegation to be profoundly unlikely.

It has been confirmed to me by eMail from Matt Quinn’s daughter Sinead that she was the author of the text in this blog and thanked me for republishing the facts, unaltered – however she has asked me to remove the eMail copy of the birth certificate that was sent to me, confirming it was hers but asking for it not to be displayed.

The birth certificate was removed at 13:35hrs. 04-Jun-2016, as requested by her.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Greg Lance – Watkins
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I had my attention drawn to this posting on the web blog that claims to campaign for Justice for Hollie Greig – a site I very rarely visit as it has so often lied and deliberately misled people and has provided a platform for some of Britain’s most notable lowlifes and associates elsewhere.

It is also a site that clearly revels in the sordid and perverse, perversion and unpleasant – a site best suited to the perverted who wish to read about every form of depravity mankind stoops to, wherever in the world or however irrelevant to the criminality of Kate & Gerry McCann, which I have clearly enumerated and explained why I believe they should be prosecuted.

It is notable that this perverted site harbours the postings of those who post under false names and in the manner of voyeurs and those deriving vicarious pleasure from reading details of the most sordid of perversions and behaviour.

I avoid such sites as they are unpleasant and all too often inaccurately or outright sensational and destructive lies. Yet again it seems they have chosen to publish annonymous comments without the slightest effort to check their facts in the most amateur and irresponsible manner viz:

@bbcquestiontime Why couldn’t LW have slapped him down with, ‘Plaid Cymru means the Party of Wales – and all who live here’? Pathetic.

Clearly the featured photo is not me, all that we have in common is grey hair and glasses – a situation amongst most men of a ‘certain age’, even the grey colour of hair and eye colour have no similarity!

As ever the site is 100% wrong!

I doubt they will publish a correction or appology as such false stories suit their agenda of dishonesty.

Unfortunately I was not available to correct their lies sooner but at the time I was in hospital having yet another operation!

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Greg Lance – Watkins
Greg_L-W

eMail: Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com

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Hi,

I appreciate one should feel sorry for someone like Matt Quinn with his vitriolic obsessions buty if one has ever dipped into the sewer that passes for his blog I for one find it impossible.

It is clear the sad sick little man with his violent and random colour changes and gratuitous obscene language, used presumably to make him seem grown up in attitude but showing him as an ignorant and disturbed inadequate. His ability to distort and fantasise is astonishing as he consistently presents 2+2 as being at least 5 and more often than not more like qo times removed from reality or facvt – I see no point in presenting the corrections and facts to prove them awere one to fisk his rants as he would then be distorting yet more material to feed his sick and sickening posturing.

Suffice to say it is clear that he has lost his temper and made a complete fool of himself in his anger at being exposed and his fantasising about me is provably nonsense but frankly who cares what the silly little inadequate says or thinks! I have never cared what the ill informed and unstable have to say about me as I fortunately do not live in their world of gutter sweepings and I am in the fortunate position that those who know me know the truth and those who don’t, frankly what do I care what they think.

So back to dealing with the facts and exposing the truth:

Personally I have found Matt Quinn to be a toxic, dishonest, utterly corrupt and vituperative low life, with the reputation that if you locked him in a cupboard he would pick a fight with the shelves and distort any issue to support his sad sick self opinion and vicious self obsessed ego.

However he has proved to any but the foolish and the gullible to be a sad figure of self pity and vicious aggression willing to publish any libel aware that his best defence, were he brought to court, would be mental health – showing his long track record of difficulty with anger management and fantasy.

Matt Quinn’s sole contribution to the sad stories promoted by Anne McKay (nee Greig) and her fantasies readily latched onto by Robert Green, George McKendrick, Belinda McKenzie and the band of sick and delusional parasites who latched onto the stories about Holly Greig was that like the other paedophile tourist and sexually depraved voyeurs he would seem to have been there for his own self agrandisement and pleasure in finding others to attack to bolster his personal inadequacies and failures. He may equally likely be obsessed as a means to feed some sick interest in children, paedophelia and abuse of women, one can but speculate – but it is clear from his blog and other articles he is a very disturbed individual.

See also: CLICK HERE also HERE & also try entering Matt Quinn in the search box at the top of the Right Sidebar on this page, for more facts about the odious fellow.

Perhaps one of the best ways to consider this odious little inadequate is to read his daughter’s opinion of him.

It has been confirmed to me by eMail from Matt Quinn’s daughter Sinead that she was the author of the text in this blog and thanked me for republishing the facts, unaltered – however she has asked me to remove the eMail copy of the birth certificate that was sent to me, confirming it was hers but asking for it not to be displayed.

The birth certificate was removed at 13:35hrs. 04-Jun-2016, as requested.

As a man who actually ditched his own daughter when she was a baby, I suppose he is well acquainted with the damage that a ‘dead beat dad’ can do.”

(‘The doting dad’)

Since 2010 I have been aware that detailed information regarding the whereabouts of my biological father existed online. I remember being in 5th or 6th year at school, aged 16 or 17 and opening the evening times one day to see him pictured standing in front of the now historic ‘red road Flats’, with an article below talking of his time spent there, how he started his businesses from those very flats. His ‘rags to riches’ story if you like.

(Aged 1-2)

My parents split when I was one. After a painfully abusive and mentally destructive nine-year marriage to my father. The story goes that my mother returned home one night from visiting relatives in Glasgow, to be confronted by my paternal father and his ‘Mistress’ Allegedly named ‘Linda’. My mother had arrived home early, and naturally my father would not have expected the mother of his one-year old baby girl to return to her marital home a mere 24 hours early. How dare she. He left, or more so was told to leave and his little piece of blonde ambition he had been keeping on the side followed. After that night a two year divorce/custodial battle began, with my father filing for divorce based on ‘Intellectual differences’ – Hardly appropriate in my opinion based on the idiotic babble I’ve recently found online penned by the man himself. At aged two-ish, After a long and winded lawyer’s letter spat, my father decided that the commute from Livingstone where he resided with his mother, to Stevenston in Ayrshire (Approx. 2 hours away) apparently was too much for him to travel. Now forgive me for being naïve, But I would have thought any father fighting for the right to their child would be willing to make that journey if they were looking to seek sole custody of their baby. Apparently not. Thus resulting in him never to be seen by myself in person ever again.

I grew up, and he was never really a thought in my mind, My mother is, was and always will be a complete champion. We lived alone in our flat in Stevenston and it was there with her that I developed my love for 90’s music. The fondest memory I have of being there was on a Sunday, at aged 4 I would sit on the stool in the kitchen, watching my mum cook us a roast beef dinner, singing along to the likes of Oasis, Phil Collins and of course the Spice Girls. I never remember any of the darkness my mother suffered from. She never let negativity touch me.

Just before my 5th birthday, A ray of light came into our life. My mother became involved with my ‘Step-father’, and I use the term ‘step’ only for technical purposes. He has been forever my best friend, since the age of Five I was brought into a family, with a gran, and ten cousins, four uncles and aunts, and many more to follow. I took on his name at the age of 8 when he married my mum, and have always regarded him as my daddy. He’s been there for me through the break-up of the Spice Girls, My first hangover, He bought me my first car, and this year will walk me down the aisle on my wedding day.

(AGED 4 – My Christening day)

And so this brings me back to when I was 17, Finding out after years of hearing bits and pieces about him, I finally have a clear image printed in a national paper, next to an article quoting this man reflecting on his time spent in the famous ‘Red Road’. It makes a good read, and should be available in all good toilets as optional toilet paper since half of the actual story is missing. My father in fact lived with my mother in the flat, and did in fact start ‘Their’ business together from those very bricks. She would take phone calls, and he would verbally abuse her when she incorrectly noted down information. The photo’s I have, show them happy, Living together with their black and white cats, it baffles me that it went so sour. Now I must make it clear that my mother has never ever denied her love for my biological sperm donor. She was besotted, and when they finally split in 1993/94 she was genuinely heart broken. She always had her suspicions that he was lying to her. Strange phone calls from a woman claiming to be one of his classmates, His late returns from college, because he was busy ‘filming’ all added to his case for ‘Husband of the year’. I could go on, however I have respect for my mother, and as much as the truth outed would be fabulous for me. I can live with knowing what I know.

Last week I made a discovery, I discovered that my paternal father has not only re-produced myself. He actually has another 20 year old daughter, and a ‘wife’ of 23 years. Now maths was never my strongest subject, Geography and Modern Studies were more my kind of thing, However I am 24 this year… My parents were not legally divorced until 94/95 and something doesn’t quite add up right? In addition to this I also read online that the sperm donor has re-produced prior to his marriage to my mother…. A Chinese baby, born some 9 years before me, 6 months premature – Like me. (I was born at 6 months, and my mother suffered from preeclampsia having me, and had to give birth via emergency C section) The baby died at 6 days old, and had little more than a 15% chance of survival, Soon after this my father’s first partner was fatally killed in a road accident, which I would never wish on anyone and hope to god no one had to endure the pain of this horrendous loss, however, meeting my mother in 1983/1984, The very SAME year you lost your future wife and baby, you would expect this type of information would be disclosed to your wife of 9 years and future mother of your baby…. You can appreciate my further disappointment in the biological sperm donor, when I read on to see him ‘blogging’ about how thankful he is, that his at this point, 19 year old daughter, has been brought up in a safe, secure loving home, and that he has been able to ‘protect’ her. I ask you this Matt, WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY GOD DAMN PROTECTION!?

(FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL)

When you decided that a two hour commute was too much to see your baby daughter? When you sat every 14th of November knowing that it was my birthday, and never bothered to even send a wish in my direction, When you tortured my mother and had he believe she was a fool? When you stated in your lawyer’s letters to her that she would be ‘Incapable of educating me’. Let me tell YOU something, 6 Scottish highers later, and I did okay!!

I have never once longed for your existence, but the fact you have kept a sibling from me, and have potentially produced lie after lie regarding my own existence as a human being, proves exactly what type of man you are. To quote “Matt Quinn is a liar and a fantasist” – I could never confirm or deny if these allegations and things written ARE true, but you can bet your arse I’ve made my own mind up.

For my little sister Amanda, I hope you are smart and beautiful. I hope one day you know you have a big sister who would have loved you, who would have shared her sweets and played football with you in the park. I would have had you as a bridesmaid at my wedding, and would have taught you how to drive.

To ‘Linda’ I hope you never had to endure what my mother did.

And to you, Matt, I hope you know you missed a lot, I’ve grown to be a pretty successful young woman. I own my house, hold a position of authority in the motor trade, and will be getting married this year. My favourite subject as school was Geography, I have a higher in Art and Design, I am a good artist and I studied Social and economic studies at college. My favourite food is chicken. I passed my driving test first time with no minors when I was 17, when I was 6 I thought Phil Collins was my real dad… because he was bald. I have long dark curly hair and one of my favourite songs is ‘Brown eyed girl’ because my mum used to sing it to me when I was little. I grew to be the person I am because of my mother and father. My mother taught me never to hate you, she never once made herself out to be an arch angel, but she told me the truth and let me make my own mind up. She taught me how to love music, and has given me a life beyond my wildest dreams. I have wanted for nothing. My REAL daddy, taught me how to fit brakes to my car, showed me how to spray paint a motorbike, and teaches me every single god damn day the real meaning of unconditional love.

Interestingly I too have a daughter from a misguided marriage which failed almost 50 years ago – a daughter my wife chose to concieve, after we had agreed to part company, yet remained together out of expediency.

We involved no other parties as we were neither of us involved with other partners either seriously or casually when we separated. I had no intention of having a push me pull you daughter and stated that I was more than happy to bring up the child or cede the responsibility to my wife – however I stated that whoever had custody the other party would not interfere and would have no contact until the child was 18.

When our daughter was 18 she chose to contact me via my parents, who as grandparents had selected to remain available to my ex wife and daughter should they wish. As a result we met a few times but it was clear we had no link beyond genetics and have had no further contact. After my wife and I parted we built our own lives separately and the man she chose to be with did a sound job of acting as father to our daughter and my wife and he are, to the best of my knowledge, still happily enjoying their old age, in the sunshine, together – I wish them all well with their lives.

Unlike Matt Quinn I did not have a domestic sibling as with the young girl his mother effectively adopted, after Matt Quinn’s father had left her – the Chinese girl Matt Quinn made pregnant, I understand.

Unlike Matt Quinn I did not betray my wife by consorting with other women until we were apart.

I do not castigate Matt Quinn for his failed marriage but I find his determination to aggressively and dishonestly seek to exploit the unfortunate failures of others. What a hypocrite this vile little man is!

An odious little man who will open any dustbin he finds to feed his fantasies – I am told he has even jumped, gratuitously, on the tragic murder of Jo Cox by a mentally deranged man to try to pretend I had some part in it – it seems unlikely he had ever heard of her before her death as, unlike me, he would seem to have no ongoing interest in politics and no track record of campaigning in that field.

That the odious little man tried to embroil me in one of his fantasies as in some way connected to her death is a measure of his dangerous instability!

This is the man I hear this is an individual who lived in the red road with Kerryanne’s mother for sometime, living adjacent to his brother in law, claiming grants from the government in her mothers name, to start various different companies! Hardly surprising I guess when one realises he had made his own mother’s adopted daughter pregnant! A fact he uses to try to gain sympathy as the child of this young girl was born premature and died.

This is the individual who can be traced on many sites on the internet, where his behaviour is almost exclusively bullying and abusive, picking fights with people who seek to chat on Forums and the like – clearly such unpleasant behaviour is and has been a part of his personna for many years, one never seems to see him interacting in a friendly manner and he seems to be bereft of both friends and supporters and clearly is incapable of normal behaviour.

I note also that he and his direct family seem to be well spread on social media and there is a sad lack of friendly & normal interaction to be found with anyone. Endlessly self justifying and plenty of TELLING people as he presents himself as some sort of erudite genius – probably as result of his exposure to students as a man amongst boys when he is so clearly a boy amongst men!

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others amongst their perverse cult following.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I unreservedly apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE at CLICK HERE

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Hi,

for all his pompose bullying and fabrication of evidence, which clearly led him to wrong conclusion after wrong conclusion, so wrong it was clear that he was not just an inadequate and untrustworth source for ANY information but was it seemed a malicious and failed personality.

Matt Quinn can now be shown through company records to be a failure in other areas of his life also – little wonder he felt a need to denigrate others who dared to speak out and expose the truth!

Wherever one trips over this sad little man he is in the midst of a fight with someone, where he and the truth seem strangers as he invents his fantasies by stretching slivers of half truth to draw his extreme and often malicious conclusions, to suit his bullying and abusive fantasies

Fantasies such as:

Council may go to law to block a disgruntled resident’s website

A SCOTTISH council is considering legal action to stop a disgruntled resident broadcasting to the world via the Internet that his village is a hellish haven for criminality.Matt Rathney-Quinn has opened a website comparing life in his street in the West Lothian village of Addiewell to “a scene from a junk movie set in the ghettos of New York”.

The website – called “Addiewell: A Total Hell-hole” – features photographs of young people allegedly throwing stones at Mr Rathney-Quinn’s home. Other images apparently show young people drinking alcohol in the street, bullying children and using mobile phones to alert each other to approaching police cars.

“Life is a living hell here,” Mr Rathney-Quinn writes. “Made so by the routine abuse of drugs and alcohol and the endemic anti-social behaviour displayed by the locals. Our personal safety is at risk where we live here. We are not able to walk the streets around our homes. Even running out of milk means a two-mile drive instead of a 200-yard walk to the local shops.”

For some time, Mr Rathney-Quinn has asked to be moved from an area which, he says, locals call “Skid Row”. He claims the local council has done nothing about his complaints.

He apologises to law-abiding citizens tarred by his accusations, but says to the anti-social elements: “This site exposes you for what you are, a vile cancer which has brought a once proud community to this point.” He concludes: “I have never in my life seen a level of violence, criminality and sociopathic behaviour as I have witnessed in this tiny hamlet of 1,300 people. After this, Easterhouse [a Glasgow housing estate] seems like sweet suburbia.”

This novel method of lambasting difficult neighbours has caused uproar in Addiewell, according to West Lothian Council. “We are considering the legal position,” said a spokesman. “Addiewell is a respectable community with decent, hard-working people who have been deeply upset by the allegations made on this website.”

However, although the website names an individual councillor who may be able to sue for defamation, experts suggest it may otherwise be impossible to suppress it. The police, who receive fulsome praise on the website, say they are not planning to take any action.

The website is at http:// freehomepages.com/addiewell

The web site quoted has been removed!
To view the original article CLICK HERE

Perhaps the following item explainst his bitter, toxic and inadequate behaviour as a social misfit and habitual bully – the lack of a sound male role model can have a very damaging effect on some boys and, as he concedes, his Mother was untrustworthy and far from stable – genetics have a far greater input than many would wish to believe:

From: “The Falcon Glen, TFGTV”

Subject: Frank J Quinn of Springburn, Glasgow, Scotland Date: (No, or invalid, date.)Dear ‘cousins’I’ve just discovered the list here and this is my first posting….I hope someone out there on the Quinn list can help me with what has been alifelong search without any results so far.I was born Matthew Francis Quinn on July 22nd 1962 in Glasgow Scotland. Myparents had married young and unfortunately split when I was very small andI’ve been trying seriously to find my Father, Francis (Frank) James Quinn,now since turning 21, some 16 years ago.It has to be said that, looking over the years, my Mother was and is notthe most stable or reasonable of people. I can well understand why myFather felt driven way and she certainly has made every effort to ensurethat I don’t find him ..even feeding me a pack of lies as to my Paternalfamily’s original location, work backgrounds and even forenames.

What I do know is than none of what happened is my fault, and I need myFather in my life. Presumably I have uncles, aunts cousins ..maybe evenhalf Brother and Sisters, all of whom are a part of me, and I a part ofthem.

So far I’ve been very unlucky and I’ve now even turned to the ratherdesperate measure of Emailing every Frank Quinn I can find

I have very little knowledge of my father though I do believe that he wastrying to keep in touch, My Mother though destroyed any and all letters orcards from him.

I do know my father was ambitious, intelligent and was involved inElectro-Mechanical engineering of some sort. He was a weighing machinemechanic, working for Avery, when I was born and studying then for an ONCin Electrical Engineering. I’m told (by my Maternal Uncle) he worked forthe South of Scotland Electricity Board, first at Cambuslang and later atKilmarnock..

The family came from the Springburn area of Glasgow ..somewhere nearBarmulloch Road, they may have moved to Cumbernauld or East Kilbride atsome point…

There is also some suggestion (although I have reason to believe this to beinaccurate) that at least one of my Father’s Brothers ..and possibly myFather himself, emmigrated to Canada.

I am not a crank, just someone with a big empty gap which I need to fill.Being in my position is very difficult, one’s sense of identity isincomplete and, should I be fortunate enough to find my Dad we have a lotof catching up to do….

If you can offer any clue whatsoever, however slight or vague, pleaseplease get in touch… I’ve started up a sort of ‘diary’ of my search atwww.powow.com/frankquinn,

The web site quoted no longer functions – perhaps he found out facts he didn’t want to know or his so called ‘cousins’ rejected him for the odious little man he proves to be when you search his behaviour, not what people say about him, on Google!

You can draw your own conclusions – have held the odious, untrustworth little man in contempt for several years now and have seen nothing to make me change my opinion. I was, and still am, astonished that he ever did hold a position of any influence over students in an educational establishment, as he did – sadly it speaks volumes of his employers and the probity of the establishment!

It is interesting to note that Matthew Frank Quinn aka Matt Rathney Quinn has registered yet another company of no value worthy of note viz.:

This does rather smack of the addage of the ‘notorious whore moving to a new town and starting as a virgin all over again’, Matt Quinn has a series of companies seemingly failing at doing the same thing – has his reputation sunk so low that he needs to use a new identity – to be honest that would not surprise me but to start such a company with such low expectations as to only invest £88 as its capital value would seem to show how highly he holds his own reputation and expectations.

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It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others amongst their perverse cult following.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I unreservedly apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE at CLICK HERE

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Tuesday, 8 September 2015

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Tuesday, 11 February, 2003, 08:12 GMT

Father’s plea over Dunblane papers

Floral tribute after Dunblane tragedy

The father of a child killed in the Dunblane tragedy has called for police information on the killer to be made public. Scotland’s most senior law officer has been urged to explain why documents on Thomas Hamilton were banned from publication for 100 years. The Crown Office denied that they have been suppressed because they revealed links between the killer and a number of prominent Scots. Charlie Clydesdale, whose daughter Victoria was killed, said an explanation should be given.

I would really like to see what was in it

Charlie Clydesdale

And Scottish National Party MSP Michael Matheson wants the ban reconsidered in light of the new freedom of information legislation. Forty-three-year-old Hamilton, broke into Dunblane Primary School on 13 March, 1996 and opened fire on a class in the gym, killing 16 children and a teacher.

‘Draconian act’ In addition to those killed, he injured 12 other children and two teachers before killing himself. Mr Clydesdale questioned the length of the ban and described his family’s frustrations. He said: “I’m not going to be around and my children aren’t going to be around. “I would really like to see what was in it, but I’m surprised there was one and shocked there was such a length of time put on it.”

Michael Matheson: “Secrecy order”

Mr Matheson said he has sought clarification from the Lord Advocate Colin Boyd QC. The MSP told BBC Scotland: “I think it’s surprising that in this day and age we find ourselves with 100-year secrecy order being applied to a police report. “Keeping in mind that Cabinet papers are only classified for 30 years, I want to find out what the legal status of this act is. “And find out why such a draconian act has been carried out.” The Crown Office dismissed allegations that information about Hamilton was being kept secret because it contained information about senior political figures in Scotland.

‘Avoid causing distress’ It said that some documents deemed sensitive were kept under a “75 year closure”. However, the Scottish Office, the Crown Office and Lord Cullen, who led the inquiry into the Dunblane shootings, agreed that some information should be kept for 100 years. “This was to ensure that information would not be made public during the lifetime of any of the children (or their siblings) identified in the documents,” said a Crown Office spokesman. “There is no question of this action being taken to protect the identities or involvement of any public figures – the decision was made simply to protect the identities of the children involved, and to avoid causing them distress throughout their lives. “The new Freedom of Information legislation is not relevant in this context,” the spokesman added.

COMMENT MADE:

It is unlikely the odious owners of the self styled, ill informed and frequently libelous HollieGreigJustice blog will publish my comment! Its insignificance and clearly unsustainable flights of fantasy are its greatest protection from prosecution for libel and slander in that no judge would consider it to be sufficiently accurate or credible to be considered a rational or sound source that might materially damage an individual of repute or sound standing – as shown by its utter failure to be taken seriously in its publishing of provable and identifiable lies and gratuitous defamation regarding myself – they are irrelevant, inaccurate and palpably implausible!

When much of the information given on this web site is febrile and unsupportable at best, and downright dishonest and gratuitously defamatory in many instances, it ill becomes the web owners to fail to attribute articles accurately when they come from normally accurate and informed sources known to the readers.

Unfortunately unattributed articles will be tarred with the same brush as when presented by the ‘fruit loops’ who all too often write their opinions and bitter fantasies for or are quoted as sources on this web site.

Thus the few nuggets of sound information are treated with the contempt this web site generally accrues amongst the informed and the discerning readers.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others amongst their perverse cult following.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I unreservedly apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE at CLICK HERE

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A GUEST POSTby ‘A Barrister Blogger’:

The so-called “Hampstead Satanic Cult” should be a warning to the credulous

March 24, 2015 Matthew Uncategorized

Lovers of paedophile and Satanist conspiracies have been having a wonderful time recently with their claims that a Satanist paedophile ring has been operating from Christ Church Church of England Primary School in Hampstead, a beautiful part of North London not far from where I used to live.

Christ Church Hampstead

Such scares blow up from time to time and they always turn out to be nonsense, or at least, if they contain a grain of truth, to be hugely exaggerated. However on this occasion I have paid more than passing attention because the school in question happens to be where two of my children learnt to read and write and where they spent seven exceptionally happy years.

I have had no involvement with the school since 2008, but the Head Teacher and many of the other teachers and staff, as well as the Parish priest, are the same now as they had been then.

When the previous Head Teacher left in 2007 there were some parents, myself included, who thought that her deputy, an inspirational teacher loved by children and staff alike ought to have got the job. The governors disagreed and the post went to an outsider who quickly proved to be a great success, while the former deputy was immediately snapped up to become Head of another Primary School. These things happen and the school continued to prosper under its new Head. It was, justifiably, hugely over-subscribed.

In September last year two children returned from a holiday with their mother, Ella Draper, and her boyfriend, Abraham Christie. She had been separated from their father, Ricky Dearman, for several years. She had alleged that he had been violent towards her, and had taken out a non-molestation injunction against him (such an injunction does not require proof of violence). For his part, Mr Dearman had had endless problems getting contact with the children and the contact dispute had drifted through seven different judges and nine court hearings with no resolution.

Ms Draper and Mr Christie returned from their holiday with video recordings on a mobile phone. In them the children claimed that they had been sexually abused by numerous people, including their father, other parents and virtually all the teachers and staff at Christ Church school.

The children were taken to the police who formally interviewed them (in what are known as “Achieving Best Evidence” or “ABE” interviews). They repeated the allegations which were wide-ranging, exceptionally serious and, to anyone not already steeped in the belief that cults of Death Eaters, Illuminati and Satanists are operating to prey on innocent children, ought to have been regarded as patently ridiculous.

The interviews were summarised by the Pauffley J, the High Court Judge who ruled last week on Barnet Council’s application to take the children into care:

“The children both describe killing and eating babies, drinking blood, being anally penetrated and being injected with drugs. They provide details of all the people who have been involved – all the teachers, parents of children at the school, social services. P says that the killing of babies is done with “cleavers”; the blood from the babies is poured into a “silver bowl” and she and her brother are “sold for £50 each every single day.” When P is asked what sex is, she initially says it’s when they are hit with a big plastic stick between their legs. Then she says “real sex is, like, they get plastic willies, they stick it in our bum, that’s what kind of sex they do.” When asked about the people involved in these activities, P suggests the police should “catch the whole school, catch all the staff there.” She adds a little later that “all the Hampstead schools do it.”

Q tells the police all about the plastic willies, who makes them and how his dad has the biggest because he’s “the boss of every single thing.” Q says that his bottom bleeds and that the last time this happened was on the last day of school when there was a big party. All the children, says Q, “do sex to him;” and at the end of the party his Dad “kills babies and eats the meat.” Like P, Q suggests that “all the teachers, (his) dad’s friends … and also the parents who are really mean” to him are involved.”

Even the school nurse (a delightful motherly woman who was always on hand in my day to apply an elastoplast to grazed knees) was said to be involved in giving sinister injections; and needless to say the Parish priest – a blameless High Church Anglican – was implicated. There were said to be secret rooms in the Church. Babies’ skulls featured in weird rituals. Even nearby businesses were part of the cult. A shoe repair shop in East Finchley apparently used baby skins to make shoes and a nearby MacDonalds was used for murders and body boiling.

Absurd and utterly incredible such allegations appear now, and so they should have appeared to the police at the time. Police were actually given an audio recording of the mother’s boyfriend “coaching” the children at a friend’s house. The friend appears to have been sufficiently concerned for the children’s welfare to have recorded what was happening on his mobile phone.

Unfortunately, in what seems to be the fashionable way, rather than approach the allegations sceptically the police decided to “believe the victims” and treated them, at least to start with, as true. The recording of the children being coached was simply put in a cupboard and, it seems, ignored. The police took the children on a drive around Hampstead so that they could point out venues where abuse had taken place.

More seriously they were also subjected to not one but two separate intimate anogenital examinations by Dr Deborah Hodes.

Dr Hodes is an extremely big shot in the world of child protection. According to the University College Hospital website:

“Deborah Hodes is a Consultant Community Paediatrician in the community trust for the London Borough of Camden and at University College London Hospitals. Deborah studied medicine at the Royal London Hospital and trained in paediatrics …. Deborah is a fellow of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health and has an active role there as a co-opted member of the Child Protection Standing Committee and writes for their publications. She represented the College on the Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation that reported in 2013 and now is the representative on the Children’s Commissioners Inquiry into child sexual abuse.

“Her key interest is in safeguarding children. She is Designated Doctor in Child Protection in Camden. She teaches both locally and nationally and at UCLH she leads the student teaching of community paediatrics. At UCLH her clinic includes the assessment of children with complex safeguarding presentations including historic sexual abuse.”

Big shot or not, Dr Hodes did not cover herself in glory in this case.

She found, or thought she found, signs of scars or healed fissures around the anuses of both children. On the second examination, a few days later, she found “reflex anal dilatation” in one child. It was supposed findings of RAD, of course, that led to the wrongful diagnosis of child abuse in large numbers of children in Cleveland in the 1980s. It remains a somewhat controversial diagnostic tool. The best that can be said for it is that it may be, but is not necessarily, an indication that sexual abuse has taken place.

A few days after this, both children withdrew their allegations at a further police interview.

A subsequent meeting with other doctors caused Hodes to significantly amend her findings in relation to the “fissures”. Far from being injuries, she conceded that (in the Judge’s words):

“previously confirmed fissures were said to be irregularities in the ruggae (folds, wrinkles or ridges) and their clinical significance was described as “possible normal variant.”

This concession seems to have been overlooked by those who continue to insist that the medical evidence “unequivocally” established that the children had been sexually abused.

Nevertheless, Dr Hodes concluded:

“… the extensive and detailed accounts given by both children, repeated to different professionals, contain details of sexual acts that such young children would need to have had some sort of direct experience (sic).”

Such an observation does not sound like a medical finding so much as a speculative guess; a sort of perverse wishful thinking. The idea that other people could have told the children about sexual acts, thereby allowing the children to repeat them, either didn’t occur to Dr Hodes, or if it did occur she dismissed it as inconceivable.

Even as recently as February 5th Dr Hodes was still treating the children’s allegations (which they themselves had long since admitted were false) as credible:

“the overall situation is such that it is my view that the allegations / accounts need to be taken very seriously despite the confusing picture.”

The children’s withdrawal of the allegations, to use her word, their “recantations” Joan of Arc: recanted her recantation

Joan of Arc: recanted her recantation

(a concept familiar to students of mediaeval heresy trials, when a timely recantation could sometimes save you, as it nearly saved Joan of Arc, from being burnt at the stake) were brushed aside, as though they merely served to confirm the truth of the original allegations:

“Until a study in 2007 it was mostly thought that recantation rates were related to the certainty with which child sexual abuse is substantiated and that retraction of true allegations is rare and that when retraction occurs the allegation is likely to be false. Lindsay et al found a recantation rate of 16.9% in 257 substantiated cases of CSA which had relied on formal interviews by police and social services.” (One could have added another “sic” there; the study to which she referred was actually by a Lindsay C. Malloy, although perhaps that was the judge’s slip).

She recommended:

“a series of more detailed observations and assessments over a longer period of time by a psychiatrist or psychotherapist with a particular interest and expertise in child maltreatment including sexual abuse.”

The Judge described this as “bemusing” because the children had already been subjected to detailed psychiatric examinations.

In fact, as Pauffley’s judgment makes clear, far from demonstrating that they had had any experience of sexual acts, the physical findings were completely inconclusive. The judge ruled that there had been no satanic cult or sexual abuse, and there was a simple though unpleasant reason why the children had claimed that there had been:

“The children’s false stories came about as the result of relentless emotional and psychological pressure as well as significant physical abuse. Torture is the most accurate way to describe what was done by Mr Christie in collaboration with Ms Draper.”

The whole affair is deeply disconcerting on a number of levels.

Lots of people believed, and still believe this farrago of nonsense

The chances that a Satanic paedophile ring of this sort could operate at a Primary School are nil. The idea that large numbers of children could be sodomised with dildos every Wednesday and made to watch babies being murdered, and that their parents would not notice something a little odd going or that they would approve of it is patently ridiculous. The idea that all the parents were themselves in on the Satanism is itself absurd.

At least 5 members of the teaching and administrative staff who were present in my day have been named as Satanic abusers. So I can speak from personal experience. Without exception all of them are gentle, caring people who have devoted themselves to the school and the welfare of the children who have attended it.

Yet according to the mother’s latest video the cult has been in existence “for decades.” Well, it hasn’t. If it had been, my children would have been victims of it, and I would have been a perpetrator. They weren’t and I wasn’t.

One wonders, even in a hugely over-subscribed Church of England Primary School, how were these Satanic parents selected?

Are they chosen from amongst the ranks of the Illuminati, known to each other through participation in secret Satanic Covens?

If so, something went wrong in my case. I am not an Illuminatus, whatever that may be. I have never attended a Satanic coven and would not know what to do in the unlikely eventuality of finding myself at one. Far from enjoying naked sacrificial rituals in candlelit catacombs, I shudder at the prospect of having to shake hands with my neighbour in a Church of England “Sign of the Peace.”

Instead, we filled in a form and explained that we wanted our children to be taught enough about religion to make up their own minds when they were old enough to do so. We had a walk around the school, a chat to the then Head Mistress and we spent a few weeks on a waiting list.

At no time were we asked about our willingness to participate in Satanic orgies, nor was our consent sought to allow the teachers to bugger our children with dildos. If it had been, that would have raised serious questions over whether this was the right school for us.

So it is bunkum.

Yet a relentless internet campaign has been waged, and continues to be waged, to represent a non-existent paedophile ring at an excellent Primary School as merely the tip of an iceberg of similar abuse elsewhere. The unfortunate children (whose videos remain easily available on “truther” websites), who were tortured into making the allegations against the father that they loved, are described as “whistleblowers,” and explicit links are made to similar unproven allegations so as to suggest by a process of attrition that there are paedophile rings in every corner of society.

It is an odd coincidence that one of Ms Draper’s two “McKenzie Friends” (a non lawyer who is permitted to sit in court and assist a litigant in person) is a woman called Belinda McKenzie, who for some years has been one of the leading proponents of the myth that the Downs Syndrome child Hollie Greig was abused by a Scottish establishment paedophile ring. (Anyone who wishes to know more about Hollie Greig would do well to read Anna Raccoon’s superb 2010 dissection of the hysteria). The other is the thoroughly malignant Sabine McNeill, who seems (like the mother) to have left the country in order to continue her campaign without fear of arrest for contempt of court or harassment.

Unfortunately it is not just a few isolated fruitcakes who believe this stuff. That a respected doctor like Dr Hodes could take it seriously, even after the children’s allegations had been both withdrawn and discredited, suggests a dangerous willingness to believe nonsense, amongst even those who ought to to be the most scientifically scrupulous. Likewise, the attitude of the police when the allegations were first made seems to have been to believe the children and to ignore the recordings of their coaching which would have cast huge doubt over the affair.

Real people are damaged

No babies have been murdered, no children have been raped and no virgin blood drunk. But the propagation of the myth of the Hampstead paedophile ring is still immensely cruel to real people. The videos of the children themselves are, in effect, videos of child abuse. The effect of constantly posting and reposting these videos will be to expose the children to ridicule and bullying by their peers, whilst the psychological effects of being constantly reminded of their false stories can only be guessed at.

Nor should the cruelty to adults be overlooked. Practically all the teaching and administrative staff at Christ Church School have been named as members of the Satanic cult, along with many parents. It may be possible to laugh off such nonsense, but when the same allegations are repeated again and again for months it surely cannot be easy to do so. Some people, as the judge noted, have received threatening messages, something that has been facilitated by websites that have listed personal contact details to assist bullies. Online reviews of the school advise people to keep their children away. Church goers are picketed on Sunday mornings. Teachers are urged to strip off to prove that they don’t have devil tattoos on their private parts, as though it is in any way reasonable that anyone should have to humiliate themselves at the behest of crazy troublemakers.

The trouble with these sorts of campaign is that they work.

Almost nobody has the time, even if they had the inclination, to get to the bottom of an internet scare story. To follow the twists and turns of the Hollie Greig hoax, for example, would, by now, require the patience of a saint and the research skills of a Doctor of Philosophy. The same, I fear, will soon be true of the Hampstead Satanic Cult hoax, and no doubt that that is the intention of those who are orchestrating it. Eventually the truth becomes so entangled in thickets of deception and confusion that it disappears altogether to be replaced, at best, by a vague feeling that “something must have gone wrong.” There are already cries of cover-up. Soon, perhaps, there will be calls for an inquiry.

It is impossible to follow the development of the Hampstead Cult story, or the Hollie Greig hoax, without seeing parallels with the allegations of a historical VIP paedophile and murder ring that are being enthusiastically peddled by Exaro News in association with the Sunday People.

Of course it is possible, in fact it is virtually inevitable, that during the 1970s and 1980s Parliament, the armed forces and the intelligence services contained paedophiles. No doubt some of them committed offences against children. It is also, of course, possible that some or all of these organisations contained murderers.

What is in issue here is something quite different: that MPs, Ministers and senior officials participated in organised child abuse and murder, and then colluded in covering it up.

It is impossible to say with complete certainty that there was no such VIP paedophile ring and no murders but there are warning signs that should make us extremely cautious.

First, the central allegation, that children were murdered at orgies attended by Leon Brittan, other politicians and “VIPs” is on its face lurid, bizarre and improbable. The idea that politicians and others would stand by and watch murders taking place; that the bodies could be disposed of and everyone who knew of the crime, including people who were horrified by it, would simply remain silent for 30 or 40 years is inherently unlikely.

Secondly, the story has grown in complexity and confusion as the months have passed. Allegations of cover-ups in high places abound; ex-police officers are said to have been ordered to drop sensitive investigations. Complaints have been made to the IPCC. Talk is of of “D notices” and the Official Secrets Act, dossiers and missing dossiers; links are asserted between Dolphin Square and the Elm Guest House. Hints are dropped that children’s homes in Wales and Jersey are involved. Thanks to Exaro News we even have a detailed account of one of the alleged murders at Dolphin Square (said to have taken place in front of someone known as “Nick”), and of another murder on a Suffolk Estate (said to have taken place in front of someone known as “Darren”), though we know next to nothing of those making the allegations and have no means of judging their veracity. We are invited simply to put our trust in Exaro. The stories are already so many and so varied that some will be tempted to conclude that there must be something in them. The assertion that wicked things have happened and that they have been deliberately covered up has been repeated for so long that it becomes ever harder for anyone to doubt. It is easy to see how in such an atmosphere the fairness of any criminal trial would be horribly compromised.

Thirdly, the police have let it be known that they are treating the allegations of murder as “credible and true” It is hard to know what this actually means. It is one thing to describe an allegation as “credible” (meaning it is “capable of belief”), quite another to say it is “true.”

To announce that a murder allegation is “true” before any real investigation has taken place and even before any body has been found, suggests a dangerous lack of professional scepticism: exactly the sort of mindset, in fact, that was criticised by Pauffley J in the Hampstead case. The police should be investigating “Nick” and “Darren’s” claims, not simply looking for evidence to support them. As a proper scientist looks for evidence to disprove a hypothesis, so a proper police investigation should be actively looking for evidence to undermine their claims. Perhaps this is happening, though the public pronouncements suggest otherwise.

Moreover, announcing that “Darren” and “Nick” are regarded as truthful has the effect of warning anyone who may have a contrary account to give, that the police will regard their accounts as untruthful. Why go to the police with information that might undermine Nick and Darrren if the police have already publicly announced that they will regard your account as “untruthful”?

Should any of these allegations ever come to trial, the declaration by a senior police officer that he thought the claims were true, even before the investigation had properly got under way would invite a comment along these lines from the defence advocate:

“Was this a fair and objective inquiry, members of the jury? Or did the police approach it with the blinkered preconception that Nick and Darren must be believed? Were they blind to the possibility that there was no VIP paedophile ring, no high level cover up and, in fact, no murders?

“And who was really running this investigation, the police or a sensationalist news organisation and its tabloid newspaper partner?”

Fourthly, the Exaro paedophile ring allegations, just like the Hampstead cult allegations, have caused, and will continue to cause, real distress to real people. Bandying around accusations and innuendoes of rape and murder is not something to be undertaken lightly, or because a news organisation is intent on whipping up a story. Yet we have had well-publicised police raids on the recently widowed Lady Brittan, the nonagenarian war hero Lord Bramall and the ex-MP Harvey Proctor. It is in the nature of these stories that even if no charges are ever brought, people will believe that these people are in some way implicated in rape, paedophilia and murder.

Anna Racoon – the first to comment – makes a very sound point, with her usual humour.
I do endorse her experience having been lied about, defamed and been the recipients of death threats by some of the most notable cranks around, including more plausible obsessive, liars, idiots and bullies like Matt Quinn, a desperate inadequate seeking attention with no sound grounds or evidence – just the maunderings of his poisoned mind, poor fool and to think he is supposedly involved in the education of young men and women!

How dare Anna Racoon or I expose the facts!

Our quoted ‘Barrister Blogger’ will likely be the recipient of the vitriolic and vituperative perverts’ rancour, promoting paedophelia and belief in its every day occurences, particularly amongst the establishment! Without their tin foil hat conspiracy theories where would they be!

Anna Raccoon
March 24, 2015 at 4:14 pm

“Well, it hasn’t. If it had been, my children would have been victims of it, and I would have been a perpetrator. They weren’t and I wasn’t.”

Well, you’ve done it now – trust me! Having personal experience of having been present, witnessed no abuse, nor been abused yourself is not ‘evidence’ – it is a sign that you are in De Nile or somewhere like that.

Soon there will be plethora of articles on the net saying that you aren’t a barrister at all, you’re a Trojan horse, and neigh in the middle of the night.

Having personal experience and knowing what you’re talking about means nothing compared to the beliefs of a dedicated ‘Truther’ hunched over its computer…..

At one point, the ‘Hollie Greig hoax’ boasted a Facebook following of 25,000. 24,998 of whom landed on my head when I first debunked the story,and as you quite rightly say, there are still a handful of people who believe it totally – in fact one of the first acts of ‘vengeance’ against the departed Jimmy Savile was to spray ‘Justice for Hollie Grieg’ on the side of his remote cottage halfway up the Scottish highlands……that’s a dedicated Truther for you, in the middle of the night, too!

Excellent article.

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Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins

tel: 01594 – 528 337

There is a block on all calls which withold their number and I reserve the right to record calls where I believe it is appropriate.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others amongst their perverse cult following.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I unreservedly apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE at CLICK HERE

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Robert Green Faces Sentencing On A Plea Of Guilty Today

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Hi,

Please note that Robert Green is due to appear in Court today, to face sentencing, having earlier entered a plea of Guilty, in relation to matters relative to his criminal activities related to the Hollie Greig scam, that he and others have been involved in for some years.

IF an authoritative and plausible report of the proceedings comes to hand, from a reputable source, I will publish it on this blog.

Criminal

I gather that today Robert Green was found guilty, in line with his plea, and was sentenced to 250 days of Community Service, to be served during the next 2 years.

The truth of his claims regarding Hollie Greig and Roy Greig having been shown consistently to be unsound and untrue over the last 5 years it is to be hoped that he will now keep silent on the issue and or have the integrity to apologise for having misled so many gullible individuals on the subject.

There is absolutely zero sound, corroborated, plausible admissible evidence to show that Hollie Greig was ever sexually abused nor that her uncle Roy Greig died by any means other than his own hand.
Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins

tel: 01594 – 528 337

There is a block on all calls which withold their number and I reserve the right to record calls where I believe it is appropriate.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others amongst their perverse cult following.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I unreservedly apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE at CLICK HERE

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ANONYMOUS Threats
& Cowardly Fantasies & Inaccuracy

You ignoring my emails, coward? When you insulted Sarah Jane, you fuckingasshole, you crossed the line and signed your own one. We ignored yourlies about her husband, a great leader, whom she married only out of love,something a diseased evil paedophilic rapist like yourself (and yourcowardly grandfather, if the rumours have substance) would know sod allabout. We have bided our time and now decided what to do, how to do it,and who will do it to you. You are a mental gnat, a menace to decentsociety, a fantasist and a waste of carbon. Even fuckwad Ukip wouldn’thave you, and that takes some doing. Sandhurst and Cambridge, don’t makeme laugh. For an attention-junkie like you, some might think you are goingto enjoy the first part of your shafting. Oh no you won’t. All those aboutwhom you have obsessively lied and smeared, is it mere hundreds or now isit now thousands, are going to give the Glos constab a truly monumentallist of suspects, and a lot of entertainment while going through it. Yourperversion and deceit will serve as your epitaph. Our fear is that justicemight be cheated by your ailments, put upon your head by Divine will, sowe are not going to delay. We’re not going to let The Royal Gwent stealwhat is our just due. We know you won’t dare to put this on your website.When it comes, remember what you wrote about an honourable lady and herbrave husband. Shake in fear, GLW, for the implied word was ‘warrant’.Till the next time, loser.

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From: Greg Lance-Watkins

Hi,

little wonder you are too ashamed to put your name to your drivel!

Who do you claim is Sarah Jane?

Who do you believe to be her husband?

May I suggest you seek counseling as your vitriolic rant is clearly a product either of your twisted fantasies or you are singularly gullible!

The fantasies you have invented are childish in the extreme and clearly without foundation or evidence merely distortions and inventions of your sick mind – seek help before you end up harming yourself or others with your fantasies.

Not ONE of your distorted claims can you substantiate as without exception you are wrong and a liar.

You are seemingly endeavouring to compete with the sick minded liars and fantasists like the sad sick Matt Quinn and his little band of perverted liars.

I rarely give credence to the maunderings of those too cowardly to put their name to their fantasies.

When you insulted Sarah Jane,

Who is Sarah Jane? I know of no such insult as you claim – nor any such individual!

you fuckingasshole, you crossed the line and signed your own one.

To gratuitously use such language demeans any point you were trying to make and shows your threat to be even more cowardly.

We ignored yourlies about her husband, a great leader, whom she married only out of love,

As I have absolutely no idea who you are talking about your comment is clearly some sick fantasy of yours.

something a diseased evil paedophilic rapist like yourself

What a silly comment as you can clearly provide absolutely no evidence to support your dishonest claim.

(and yourcowardly grandfather, if the rumours have substance) would know sod allabout.

Well that is below the belt as both my Grandfathers died over 40 years ago and one was a Police Sargeant through the war without any blemish on his character and the other was a decorated Old Contemptible in the Gloucestershire Regiment who led a long and honourable life. Your rumour invention mill is clearly demented!

We have bided our time and now decided what to do, how to do it,and who will do it to you. You are a mental gnat, a menace to decentsociety, a fantasist and a waste of carbon.

How embarrassing for you top found your decision making on lies and fantasies!

Even fuckwad Ukip wouldn’thave you, and that takes some doing.

I never made ANY attempt to join Ukip and never sought election with or to Ukip – so yet another fact wrong!

Sandhurst and Cambridge, don’t makeme laugh.

Sandhurst Intake 38 Gaza Company 1965
Cambridge – a boarder at Kings from about 1954 > until I went as a boarder to Clifton, Bristol.

For an attention-junkie like you, some might think you are goingto enjoy the first part of your shafting. Oh no you won’t. All those aboutwhom you have obsessively lied and smeared, is it mere hundreds or now isit now thousands,

I have NEVER lied or deliberately misled anyone regarding anyone and never once has anyone shown me to have lied about anyone.

are going to give the Glos constab a truly monumentallist of suspects, and a lot of entertainment while going through it.

I shall leave you to ponder at your fate if thwe Police choose to track you down.

Yourperversion and deceit will serve as your epitaph.

Perversion and deceit that are a product of your own sick mind and that you are too cowardly to show a single proven example of, as you have none.

Our fear is that justicemight be cheated by your ailments, put upon your head by Divine will, sowe are not going to delay.

It is clear you have much to fear as you hide as a coward in anonymity, spouting your vile fantasies to look important!

We’re not going to let The Royal Gwent stealwhat is our just due. We know you won’t dare to put this on your website.

Wrong yet again! In fact you seem not to have a single fact to back your odious rant.

When it comes, remember what you wrote about an honourable lady and herbrave husband.

I haven’t a clue who you are alluding to nor have I EVER written about a husband and wife without substantiation.

Shake in fear, GLW, for the implied word was ‘warrant’.

I don’t think I’ll bother – I shall leave the readers of this blog to judge as they will see clearly that you are a foul mouthed, ill informed, abusive and dishonest fantasist.

Till the next time, loser.

A cowardly end from a confused and misled fantasist.

if the rumours have substance

It is self evident that NONE of your rumours and claims have substance!
Do save yourself the effort of sending more of your vile and inaccurate fantasies – as they will be most unlikely to be read let alone graced with debunking, as you have proved to be wrong on ALL counts.

UPDATE 08:35hrs. 04-Mar-2015.

I have received this response in my InBox having eMailed a copy of my posting to the dishonest & cowardly little chap who tries to hide behind ‘Anonymous’.

If that doesn’t work, contact the recipient (by phone or instant messaging, for example) to check that the address is correct. If the problem continues, forward this message to your email admin.

foto.nl1.torservers.net gave this error:
<anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net>: Recipie

He would of course prove very easy to track down should I wish the Police to identify the odious little inadequate.

My computer, having a better recall system for trivia than I have has tracked down a Sarah, who may well be known as Sarah Jane, with whom I have communicated I was misled by reference to her unfortunate husband of whom I seem to have no record, perhaps because he was too ashamed of his comments to risk identification, as with the cowardly ‘Anonymous’ above.

You may asses for yourself just what a vile young woman she is from her vile comments, which I posted at CLICK HERE together with my response to her odious behaviour.

I also have reason to believe she is the same individual who phoned me one morning using obscene and abusive language and befouling the name & reputation of an unfortunate young lad who had managed to get killed, by my house, whilst travelling to work late one morning – the details so far are at the same location and I now await the Coroner’s Court judgement at the inquest when it is available – however its findings seem all too likely, as has been made fairly clear in some areas of social media.

In respect for the dead and injured and their true friends and relatives I have declined to pass on any judgement until the Court findings are made public and have also not published anonymous comments that were obscene or offensive, for the same reasons.

Also for the same reasons I have refrained from posting this posting on the site concerned and have ensured that the names of the victims of the accident are not included here, thus avoiding embarrassment for the relatives and actual friends of those victims.

As the source of much of the dishonest and distorted drivel from ‘Anonymous’ clearly was concocted from corrupt lies published by Matt Quinn and others relative to the Hollie Greig Scam I feel it appropriate to use this blog to correct their sick fantasies.

Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins

tel: 01594 – 528 337

There is a block on all calls which withold their number and I reserve the right to record calls where I believe it is appropriate.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of sexual abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others amongst their perverse cult following.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I unreservedly apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE at CLICK HERE

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Hi,

I believe it is apposite some 5 years after the irrefutable fact that the claims of Anne Mackie (nee Greig) and Robert Green her supporter that Anne’s daughter Hollie Greig had been sexually abused by a long list of men and women, including family, police and members of the Judiciary in Scotland, were utterly without substance, plausible or admissible evidence or any measure of corroboration, it is time to revisit one of the best 3rd. party comments on the subject.

The list of names, which they provided, was in written form and was distributed at a public meeting in Edinburgh that had been organised for them by Stuart Usher; a list which subsequently I misguidedly published for them on the internet, based upon the lies of Anne & Robert supported by Stuart Usher.

I do believe this excellent article by Anna Raccoon is worth revisiting and distributing as a means by which to further debunk the criminal exploitation of the unfortunate Hollie Greig who fortunately would seem to lack the intellectual capacity to understand the evil being promoted regarding her by numerous scoundrels and also the plain batty!

I trust this will give a greater understanding to those seeking the truth, based upon facts! My thanks to Anna Raccoon for the clarity of her article the facts contained therein would seem to tally with my understanding of the exploitation of Hollie Greig.

The only real abuse meted out on Hollie Greig would seem to be that which her own Mother has invented and widely promoted with her abiding allie Robert green and the likes of Brian Gerrish, David Icke, Belinda McKenzie and a host of other low lifes together with the batty and the gullible.

The sole saving grace being that Hollie clearly lacks the intellect to understand what is being done in her exploitation and the numerous perverts who are most gleefully following the discusion of her alleged abuse and intimate medical details for their own sexual gratification – not to mention vituperative fantasists like Matt Quinn who weave their fantasies and fictions to act as guru to the gormless no doubt deriving feelings of power and authority from their perversions as they all make the world a safer place for the paedophiles and perverts they pretend to denounce.

A safer place for paedophiles and perverts because decent folk who might well strive to expose such vile crimes are frightened off by what they see from the liars, rogues and rascals who so eagerly follow such cases and berate anyone so resolutely who dares to expose the actual crimes.

Few have either the confidence or the luxury to be able to shrug off the lies that inadequates like Matt Quinn, Belinda McKenzie, David Icke, Brian Gerrish and their odious ilk are wont to weave to satiate their desire for profit and/or notoriety amongst their simple minded followers.

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Here is Anna RACCOON’s Excellent Summary of Hollie Greig scam, together with many questions, comments and answers:.

Robert Green – Hollie Greig

by Anna Raccoon on May 31, 2010

I apologise for the length of this piece. There are a lot of facts to be laid out.

I would also ask before you tell me that I have left this or that fact out that you refer to my original blog post on the subject – I have tried not to repeat myself here.

Comments will be open, especially if you have factual evidence to bring forward. If you come here just to hiss and spit, and treat me to some of the vile and venal abuse that has been bandied around in this case – unless it is especially witty or has some intrinsic merit, it will be deleted.

I have written before on the subject of Robert Green and his ‘campaign’ on behalf of a young female sufferer of Down’s syndrome who, he maintains, was the subject of a vicious and sustained series of rapes by both men and women.

What interests me about this particular case is the fundamental mismatch between, on one hand, the passionate campaign that has raged on Face-book and, on the other, the embarrassingly sparse ‘evidence’ on which it was based.

It has taken me some time to peel away the layers of ‘internet truth’ and to arrive at the essential facts, such as they are, that do exist.

Anne, the girl’s Mother, originally contacted two men to publicise her story. ALL the information that is on the Internet, ALL the firmly held beliefs, ALL the ‘alleged’ evidence, was given to those two men, and emerged into the world via the various means THEY took to publicise the case.

Stuart has ‘named and shamed’ some 140 lawyers and judges based in Scotland on his web site regarding a variety of alleged offences, including paedophilia, who, in his opinion, are ‘crooked’. He cites, with great pride, that none of them have ever thought to sue him. Whether this is because his accusations are accurate and they are hanging their head in shame, or because they felt that giving more publicity to wild accusations whilst suing a Hot Dog salesman was possibly counter productive is a matter of opinion.

Still, Stuart Usher was a first hand confident of Anne, the girl’s Mother, and presumably had access to concrete evidence of her claims. Unfortunately, Stuart has decided to withdraw from the case ‘to spend more time with his family’ – as you will find, we end up with a list of people who were ‘in at the beginning’ who have mysteriously melted away.

Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Stuart Usher to Paul Drockton

Paul
I have had increased pressure from my family recently with regard to my efforts to help other people. In a nutshell they feel the time has come for me to divert my efforts to support them instead. I have agreed to this as they have suffered badly over the years and I now feel the time has come for me to concentrate my efforts on them.

You require patience and dedication to listen to it all the way through. The amateur ‘disc jockey’ suffers interminable technical problems for the first half hour, and after three quarters of an hour of attempting to make sense of Mr Usher’s words, the disc jockey returns to playing some excruciating hard rock…..I nearly lost the will to live, but I was determined to learn at first hand precisely what the claims were.

Mr Usher would tell you that Anne’s daughter was repeatedly raped at the ‘house of Sheriff B’s sister, Evelyn’. This is casualty number one in the search for truth. Sheriff B simply does not have a sister Evelyn. He may well have a dog called Evelyn, a cat even, but no sister.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

Mr Usher would also tell you that Anne and her daughter were forced to ‘flee Scotland’ following the ‘murder’ of her brother Roy. Roy had apparently been ‘repeatedly battered over the head with an axe handle’ before being pushed into a car which was set alight in an arson attack.

Now one of the claims which circulates on the Internet is that this unfortunate death was ‘hushed up’ by the authorities, and described as ‘suicide’ when it was murder – the implication is usually that Roy was murdered as a direct result of Anne having laid information with the police a few days earlier. I have repeatedly been told that it was never investigated. Not true.

Whatever the Police investigation amounted to, there was an in depth investigation by an experienced journalist. One Mark Daly of the BBC. Mark Daly is the journalist who according to Robert Green was ‘bullied by his bosses’ into dropping a proposed documentary about the case. This version alternates with one which says that he was silenced by a ‘D’ notice. Mark spoke out on the Face Book group.

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.”
“After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle.”

Exit Mark Daly – but not before he had helpfully asked for and received from Grampian Police, the autopsy report for Roy Grieg. There the evidence that Roy had been ‘repeatedly battered about the head with an axe handle’ so frequently cited, melts away to become a ‘contusion’ on his head. Contusion being the medical term for a common or garden bruise. The ‘broken ribs’ may well owe more to the strenuous efforts – efforts which earned him a medal from the Royal Humane Society – of a passing oil rig worker who pulled Roy Grieg from his car during a filthy storm and in the middle of the night and gave him CPR in an effort to save his life.

Mark Daly had also uncovered something which directly contradicted Anne’s claim that there could be no truth in the Coroner’s verdict that her brother committed suicide – for he had ‘no reason to commit suicide’. Daly discovered that Roy Greig had been suspended from his job amid allegations of a substantial sum of money missing. He had recently travelled to Glasgow to obtain legal assistance in respect of these matters from his union.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

Two witnesses down, but fear not. We have more. Next up is Greg Lance-Watkins. Lance-Watkins has spent some 30 years campaigning on behalf of abused children. He runs an ‘enabling’ web site, which helps those children to have their own web site and tell their story under the umbrella of his main web site. Anne approached him and asked him to publicise her daughter’s story. She explained that she had no internet skills and it was agreed that he would operate the http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com and write it as though it was Hollie telling her own story. Those who claim that Hollie is a competent witness for any trial, and cite as evidence the fact that she ‘willingly’ tells her ‘own’ story on her ‘own’ web site, please take note. Mr Lance-Watkins freely admits that the words are his, using information coming from Hollie’s Mother. In his lay opinion, Hollie has a mental age of under 10.

Lance-Watkins has been in this ‘business’ for many years, and he has had some success at obtaining justice for abused children. He is, like Mark Daly, the journalist, fully aware of the necessity for concrete evidence and strongly advised Anne not to court publicity until such time as they had gathered whatever documentary evidence they could. He was assured it would be forthcoming and was available.

Eventually he managed to gain sight of the autopsy report which was cited as evidence that Anne’s brother had been wickedly battered about the head and murdered. He was slightly non plussed to discover that this only amounted to a ‘contusion’ and even more non plussed to learn of the evidence regarding a possible crime in Roy’s workplace, despite having repeatedly pressed Anne for possible reasons for Roy’s suicide.

Then he pressed Anne for the mysterious medical evidence that showed how Hollie had been brutally anally and vaginally raped for 10 years by this paedophile ring. She finally gave him this document.

It is difficult to read, it is a scanned version of a very bad folded photocopy. With diligence and Photoshop’s enlargement facilities, it is possible however.

Hollie was born at the end of 1979 and here we have a Doctor informing another Doctor that at some time prior to 1992 (the date of the letter) Hollie’s parents had jointly enquired as to the need for contraception for their daughter. It was alleged that Hollie had been making sexual overtures to other children within her special needs facility.

I do not propose to further discuss Hollie’s medical affairs; she is entitled to a darn sight more privacy than she has received so far. Suffice it to say, that those who rest their case that Hollie was ‘sexually abused’ in any form on the supposed ‘medical evidence’, would be well advised to read carefully this letter that Anne Greig claims is the evidence. You will not find one iota of evidence from the Doctor who had intimately examined her that this was so. What you will find is that at one point in her life, Hollie had suffered from a minor yet common ailment which can be transmitted sexually – though that is by no means the only way in which you can acquire it.

One could put this paucity of substantive evidence down to yet another example of the authorities ‘covering up’ the abuse of Hollie – except that this is the very document on which Anne Greig rests her case.

Lance-Watkins now reluctantly admits that he is in the embarrassing position of having been ‘duped’ . He has not precisely joined the ranks of those who have walked away from the story, he is too much of a professional for that, however, he has retired to the sidelines and thrown out an open invitation to the thousands of members of ‘Holly’s Army’ who are fighting for ‘Justice for Hollie’ to step forward with any concrete evidence before he puts his reputation at risk any more.

Predictably he has been roundly abused by all concerned for this. The myth and fallacy that abounds on the Internet is too deeply entrenched for anyone to take cautious heed of the man who spoke for Holly ceasing to speak for Holly – it is ‘obvious’ that he is part of the conspiracy protecting these mythical government figures, either that or he has been ‘bought off’ by strange figures from MI5. The truth that he is no more prepared to put his reputation on the line without evidence than was Mark Daly is too bitter a pill for them to swallow.

Which leaves us with the Facebook Group. The home base of Holly’s 27,000 strong army. Or does it?

For you see Paul Phillips and his girlfriend Plum, who set up that Facebook Group and urged supporters to publicise this horrendous story so successfully – well they too have retired from the fray ‘to spend more time with their family’ – as has Tom George from ScotsVInjustice, another man with lots of experience in these cases who sadly doesn’t have a family, but still feels he can do something more with his time.

The Facebook Group was closed down, but not before some horrendous mudslinging as the original publicists of the story withdrew one by one. I have never before seen such venal and vindictive commentators.

I have come across many people over the past year whilst being heavily involved in Hollie’s case – some who are sincere and genuine people and others who have obvious ulterior motives and should really question why they became involved and whose interests they were really trying to further. I would like to state publicly here that everything stated by Pabs and Plum above is all factual and I regard them both as sincere and genuine people whose motives in Hollie’s case, like mine, were purely altruistic and their detractors should be thoroughly ashamed to have denounced them in the very malicious way they have. They are both good human beings and simply did not deserve the vilification that has spewed forth their way over recent days and weeks.

I have other very serious, sad and tragic cases I am vigorously pursuing presently against the authorities in Edinburgh and, yes, Aberdeen too and I am committed to fulfilling my obligations to the people concerned. I hope my rapidly declining health does not negate me having to pass these cases on to others to help with and I can see some kind of satisfactory resolution for the individuals concerned.

So far we have lost the medical evidence of horrendous sexual abuse, lost the medical evidence that Anne’s brother was murdered, lost the experienced campaigners against paedophilia that we started off with, shed several experienced journalists along the way – what are we left with?

We have Robert Green, would be journalist and broadcaster, who wishes to publicise the names of the people he says that Hollie says abused her, some of who like Sheriff B’s sister, simply don’t exist. We have Paul Drockton, broadcasting from somewhere several thousand miles away having never met any of the people involved. We have a newspaper in Palestine still prepared to print these allegations against British government figures – oh and we have a new Facebook group containing all the people who would far rather believe that there is a conspiracy here, than to face the fact that all the people who started this campaign have now faded away into the shadows – awaiting something more concrete than the wild accusations thrown around by a woman who has been tormented by grief and difficulties in life.

Fortunately, we also have the figure of Paula Morris in Hollie’s home town of Shrewsbury, a sensible Social Worker, who is currently looking into the welfare of this deeply vulnerable young woman and whether she is capable of making an informed decision as to whether she should be paraded on radio and Internet as the poster girl for the hysterical Hollie’s Army.

There is considerable sexual abuse of young women (and men) with Down’s syndrome. It is an entrenched problem. It is invariably carried out by those who have easy access to these young people. Fathers, brothers, uncles, both real and phoney, bus drivers, care attendants. In some rare cases, and they are rare compared to the bulk of disgracefully mundane cases of sexual abuse, they will include figures from other walks of life. Yes, even Judges, and policemen.

What Hollie’s Army have succeeded in doing is gaining wide spread recognition of the apparent ‘fact’ – without any evidence – that paedophilia is part and parcel of a government conspiracy, rather than an event which is all around you every day, next door to you even. That it is a celebrity vice. That may please their desire for publicity. It does nothing for the thousands of Down’s Children who need to be protected.

Perhaps all 27,000 of Holly’s Army might care to get themselves CRB checked – those of them who are able to pass such a check, for sure there will be paedophiles amongst these groups – where else will they find constant discussions of the finer points of sexual abuse? And when they have passed their checks, they might care to volunteer to help protect these deeply vulnerable individuals. They will find it most rewarding.

Perhaps a tad boring compared to the glamour of demanding the right to libel most of the Scottish political establishment on the basis of zero evidence and wild accusations.

Ms Raccoon lives in the Monbazillac area of South West France, renowned for its fine wines and gourmet food, so she frequently finds better things to do than sit in front of a computer all morning. She is liable to take off traveling at a moment’s notice. Consequently this blog only gets updated these days when it is raining – and it doesn’t rain very often round here…

l’ve come across many conspiracy groups/individuals and found all use the ‘prove we’re wrong’ approach. ln fact it is the very soul of their existance because a conspiracy can never be ‘proved wrong’ . You cannot put forth factual evidence as this is deemed part of the conspiracy itself, the facts have been manipulated or manufactured say the conspiracy brigade.

l’m afraid that you have now become part of the conspiracy yourself in the eyes of the ’27,000′ and others. l hope you are prepared for an onslaught of abuse, for you have put yourself in their crosshairs.

Quite honestly, I don’t know enough about this to form an opinion but the link that you give is for the Saskatchewan Association of Community Living, http://www.sacl.org, and not as you state Scotland against Crooked Lawyers. In a case where there is some doubt about facts, please ensure your own are correct.

Whether or not the allegations have any basis in fact, is irrelevant. There is no proof. And if the abuse was as long standing and as horrific as has been suggested, then one would expect to find something, however small. Instead of which, this child is being abused by the very people who purport to protect her.

WORD PERFECT. Both you and GLW (along with several others) are the absolute voices of reason – do not stop using your voice Anna. Thankyou for speaking for a growing number of people who are genuinely concerned for Hollie Greig’s wellbeing. Poster Girl? She absolutely is, and it’s verging on a criminal act. Please keep going.

It is good to see another voice of reason laying out the facts in a professional and forensic manner. Sadly there is absolutely no one providing EVIDENCE in a similarly responsible manner for it seems there is none!

My phone number, my address and my eMail are freely and readily available for ANYONE to provide EVIDENCE of abuse.

In this story to date the ONLY actual EVIDENCE of abuse that has come to light has been the very clear evidence that Hollie Greig, a very very vulnerable member of our society, has been most venally and distatefully publicly exploited and abused by:

Anne Greig her Mother who would seem to be off on a toot of her own but with NO EVIDENCE

Robert Green whose actions have been crass incompetent self serving and criminal, even shamefully naming and blaming his victims as he has NO EVIDENCE

Stuart Usher, who largely due to a distinct verbal communication impediment, has promoted his private grievences and unsubstantiated accusations as with his lurid sacl.info, yet has NO EVIDENCE

Yes there are a number of cunning and sly low lifes on NutJobTV, Bedroom Broadcast Conspirators and low distribution publishing who parade such cases – sandwiched between their sad exploitation of the weak minded and inadequate who have been sat on by life.

Those who wish to blame their own incompetence and failures (and of course their benefit cheques) on lizards, aliens, conDENSATION trails, abductions, Illuminati, FBI, Islam, CIA, immigrants, the bosses, Government, The Masons, Big Government, Common Purpose, Bigger Government, The KGB, Bohemian Grove, Mossad, The Nazis, the New World Order, bullets that bounce off windows, clicks on the phone from auto switching gear, MI5, black ops, The DVD, MI6, Martians, OLAF, secret globalists, The Queen, black helicopters, the Bush family, oil, peak oil, too much oil, lack of oil, UFOs and so on ad naseam.

NO the sad truth is life sat on you and was fairly hard going because you chose your GRANDPARENTS badly and have their genetics.

Sadly the exploitation of Hollie Greig, by the sad and the sick does not want FACTS to expose their conspiracy fantasies, but THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

Fortunately Hollie would seem not to have sufficient mental accumen to understand she is being exploited and abused as she is paraded like an exhibit in a Barnum & Bailey show of freaks of the 1890s. The vicarious pleasure of those who would fail their CRBs must be huge!

nooccaR annA has exposed the exploiters and shown they have got it 100% wrong – first you provide THE EVIDENCE and then you seek Justice.

Approaching it backwards they have made criminals of themselves and shown they have NO EVIDENCE.

IF suddenly Anne Greig or Robert Green produce evidence then sadly it can only be EVIDENCE that they are liars as they have promised me AND OTHERS that we are aware of ALL the EVIDENCE they have.

I believe it is time that the duely funded authorities considered placing far greater supervision and care of Hollie Greig at the top of their priorities, considered medical attention for Anne Greig and prosecution of Robert Green.

It may well be apposite for The Court of Protection to investigate Hollie’s finances and how Anne has disbursed them!

I think that the story has yet further to run, so those deriving a vicarious pleasure from studying the sexual information and claimed abuse may still get their jollies – just as those who derived pleasure from fantasising over Roy Greig’s sad suicide can still get their kicks by issuing their sad death threats as they masturbate in their lonely bedrooms.

IF YOU have any EVIDENCE or need help, I have, as Ms. Raccoon states been exposing abuse since the 1950s!

Show the world and your very deluded and duped followers this “damning evidence” that you claim to have to prove that Hollie was systematically and repeatedly sexually abused and violated by a “paedophile rape gang” in Aberdeen throughout the 1990s.

Why did Mr Green not take his opportunity when he had it back in February and March to get the case into the Scottish Courts? What do his very deluded followers know about that missed opportunity? Has he told them he could have exposed Hollie’s case in court but failed to do so?

Are Shropshire Social Services now doing a full vulnerable adult assessment to ascertain if Hollie is fully aware of the allegations made in her name and do they think she should be taken into care for her own protection and to avoid further public humiliation and exploitation on social network sites (Facebook), various blogs and in the alternative media radio and TV world?

Robert Green has done so much damage to many peoples lives and reputations now that he should be further restricted of his liberty and silenced for good … for the sake of Hollie and all those he has publicly named in this abomination of a case. Perhaps it is also time that his own mental state was fully and properly assessed by experts to determine his own sanity and reasoning.

Time the Scottish and English authorities took pragmatic action and end this charade once and for all …

Anna, you deserve great credit for this forensic disclosure of the campaign and its shaky foundations. While my own gut instinct told me that there was something very wrong in the way the story was being promulgated, and therefore probably with the story as well, none of us can say one way or the other if there is any substance to the claims of conspiracy. But what we can be clear about, in large part due to your efforts, is that we should be highly sceptical about the truth-status of the parental version, and the aims of the campaign as well.

Talking of Poster girl/boys, take a look at one of the MAIN Hollie Greig propagators; a self-confessed Genius with a microphone and tape machine in his spare room…this is the hard-core DJ (poor man’s Alex Jones god help us). This man apparently came along and offered his gold-plated services to Hollie’s Army **Cor Blimey I hope there are no gays in HOLLE’S army!!** This is the calibre of man they have chosen in a sense over the award winning journo Mark Daly.

Seriously…. so desperate, misinformed and misguided are this out of control shower, that they jump at any chance of broadcasting this poor wretched woman’s personal details on any old airwave in any old country by the first random disk jockey who sniffs them out and see it as a major breakthrough . Yet still they do not see the utter irony in what they do – that is, parade this vulnerable woman …. actually hang on there. Why not consider for a minute if Hollie’s physical form corresponded with her suggested mental age of say 8. Who would violate a little 8 year old girl ‘s human rights this way and NOT be stopped by the authorities? Come on Social Services, please do something here!

The trouble with groups such as this is that initially one is struck dumb with the horror of the ‘case’ (obviously) – Stage 1. Stage 2 is the feeling of comradeship and strength in numbers and the nirvana of feeling one has a chance to ‘nail the bastard paedos’ which is really quite seductive and satisfying. Stage 3 they are swept up into a thick froth of emotion, campaigning and rampaging …. fundamentally decent enough people (though undoubtedly many with their own agendas) at last with a solid opportunity to make a difference in the world. Fair enough, if the case they are fighting for is a strong one and has oodles of evidence. I think they are stuck now at the level of delirious denial – they poo-poo the likes of Mark Daly and instead choose to worship at the alter of Paul Drockton. They scurry away amongst themselves in hidden Facebook, unable to even consider another perspective like ferrets in a cage planning their big escape into the paradise where Justice for Hollie is a reality. …thanks to them and their leafleting on a Saturday afternoon.

I’m sorry to say that it’s at this point one would consider the possiblity that Hollie has taken a back seat….their own internal ‘told you so’ mantra becomes so utterly paramount, that the subject of and philosophy behind the campaign is shoved under the carpet somewhat. High as kites on their agendas, they are so blinkered that even if the case WAS brought to the highest court in the whole damn world with Ban Ki Moon pouring the tea and Bono and Sting providing the catering …even if here it was ripped to shreds and thrown out of court WHICH IT WOULD BE they would still soldier on regardless! They are gone, swept away with the fairies and merrily the woman’s mother is allowing this to happen. If they all had the strength of character (including the mum and Green) to step down now, there would I am sure be a Mexican Wave of Respect for their courage in doing so from all of us tortured observers of this dire affair.

Hollie Greig will continue as their poster girl and continue to be used by these spectacularly stupid people I’m afraid, until the ‘authorities’ bloody step in and do something about it.

That was a good analysis of the case Anna. I’ve not got an axe to grind in this case but just want to see it all resolved. You didn’t explore some points that I’m still confused about. Could you find out why Levy & McRae , the Scottish Justice Sec McAskill ‘s previous employer, are involved and who is paying them ? Why Peter Watson is allowed to silence any talk of the case in the media ? Why Lord Advocate Angiolini is allowed to take a role after her previous delays in similar court cases led to cases being thrown outof court. ? And who is paying for all her libel actions ? Was it necessary to conduct a dawn raid on Mr Greens house ? Why the court case is taking so long to be heard considering what happened with similar cases in the past that had to be kicked into the long grass. Thanks

I echo Dave’s request. Its alright Anna and Greg LW shouting from the rooftops but they’re as guilty for not covering the bits that they can’t answer either. No one has a compleatly un clouded, un biased view on this case. Glw has an axe to grind, that is quite apparant from his bitter blogs…and to publish the Greigs address is surely the lowest of the low. And to say that that is what Anne Greig did with the alleged perpetrators…you don’t know that. You are as bad Anna and Greg because you’re feeding off all this too. As for the facts???? They aren’t all up here thats for sure. As for the alleged paedophiles…they don’t need you to champion them….they’re are doing a good job of protecting themselves I would say.

Anna, most brave of you to approach this story again and with such professionalism. Several times I was asked to take it on board, but refused, as I have a personal interest in Down’s Syndrome children and did not want this young woman to undergo any more public display than necessary unless there was evidence.

Two matters in the case stopped me in my tracks. Firstly the mother’s comment that she had to ‘flee’ Aberdeen. I decided she chose to leave Aberdeen after reading her online publications. Secondly when I heard Robert Green implying in his video that the First Minister Alex Salmond was implicated, I looked into the matter. In Green’s video he says Hollie’s mother wrote to Alex Salmond and received no reply (thus Salmond’s silence was his guilty by association). That was untrue. Salmond replied to the mother within four weeks.

Of course agencies such as social services are not perfect, but in defence of Aberdeen, I wouldn’t say they were any worse there than in other areas of the UK. The Scottish legal system does require a shake up and is a small world. In some ways it’s a pity they do not publicly defend themselves against such allegations; in other ways their silence may be more beneficial to the young woman who I consider is being exploited.

There is now so much “information” flying around about this case, and so many reputations being trashed, that surely the time has come for the authorities in Scotland to do something.

Most people I speak to back home in Scotland have heard “bits” of this story, and a lot comment on the involvement of the “elite”, and in particular of a Sheriff..although most cannot name him. All this is rumbling under the surface, and as time marches on will only get worse the way things are going.

Names of alleged victims and offenders are now all over the internet, together with some of their home addresses. Anyone now coming into contact with this case is almost certainly going to believe what they see on the internet. After all, if people have had their names dragged through the mud, including a Sheriff, and nothing has been done to right a possible wrong, then in most peoples minds there must be some truth to the case.

There is not a lot of confidence in the honesty of the justice system in Scotland, and yes, the police there are mostly in the Freemasons, and a lot are corrupt. The Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service is also somewhat corrupt. I would hope, that a police force outside of Grampian, preferably not another Scottish force, (too incestuous), be instructed to fully investigate the case in full, and “put it to bed” once and for all. Whoever has broken any law can then get punished accordingly.

It is Fine Running Down Robert Green And Hollie Greig but The young lady is saying she has been raped and she wants to fight, Mark Daly managed to get a autopsy Report, Remember mark Daly still believes Hollie Was telling the truth about being raped. and how did Mark Daly get a private Autopsy Report As Ann did not have it when Mark was looking at making his video on the cover up. I hope people do listen to Mark Daly you will hear a very scared Mark Daly May be The sister mentioned was a sister inlaw, is there any kind fellow who can help sheriff buchanan make a video. I take it if Hollie Greig with Down syndrome can get on a few videos sheriff buchanan has the right to do the same and the others involved as well, or can take Hollie Greig to court.

There are a lot of people out there trying to burst this particular bubble as it grows and grows beyond the ability of the authorities to control the situation. Good evening trolls! If YOU have any evidence, I mean concrete evidence that you can bring to the police to prove that this horrendous tale is anything less than that portrayed by the Greigs and their supporters – bring it on! Otherwise we are left with the inevitable conclusion that the media, politicians and the legal system are avoiding this like the plague because it will bring their whole pack of satanic cards crashing down – and what a mess that would be. So, yes, support the satanic fraternity if you wish, but I will have nothing to do with it and will continue to support all moves to reveal the gruesome truth about our so-called leaders.

What really makes me laugh is the likes of Sandra Barr and Paul Drockton. Never met anyone related to the case and fully prepared to lie and slander on one hand and play the “love and light” card with the other hand……crazy people…

Anna you have made a few errors in your article I am afraid, and you have glossed over certain characters’ input to the cause so let me help you out and give you the chance to dispel the theory that you are working alongside such scum.

The man you write about GLW was actually the first person to put the alleged abusers names on the internet. H’s mother apparently had no internet access and gave this man full permission to blog on Hollie’s behalf as she trusted him. Is honestly possible that a man of such experience (I do not doubt that he is a very intelligent man) would publish this list of 14 names, names of high ranking officials in Scotland without doing his research? Are we to honestly believe that his heart was so big that he jumped on this information with good intentions and printed the names putting his reputation at risk? Or perhaps… just perhaps… he read over the names, did his research and noticed H’s mother had listed Evelyn as sister and not sister in law. Perhaps he printed this list knowing that if anyone such as Mark Daly became involved that little mistake could be highlighted to make the story less credible? The said Blogger’s nasty and drawn out arguments with the likes of Paul Drockton have caused Tom George to quit, and unfortunately Mr Drockton took this as a sign of Tom being a ‘turncoat’. Mr Drockton does not speak for all H supporters. I’m afraid his homophobic and paranoid rantings have done the campaign a lot of harm… people are exposing his anti-gay groups with absolute GLEE and calling him poor man’s Alex Jones. So what if he is? It is people like you who are giving him such credence in the campaign. Most of us H supporters really don’t give him a second thought. Why are people like you determined to portray him as ‘a leading light?’ What is your interest in doing so? Anyway Anna I don’t expect you to print this as you seem to have made up your mind about the whole thing, I just wish I had your black and white approach to life it would sure help me sleep better at night. Also Pabs and Plum were NOT the creators of the larger facebook group, there was a guy J who set up the group and Pabs contacted him ASKING to be an administrator. Was J perhaps a little too trusting in accepting him? Perhaps he did not realise how big this was going to be…. Anyway Anna best wishes to you, perhaps you won’t mind me pointing out these FACTS.

Garibaldi I honestly do not know what I would do if one of my children said they were ‘raped by lawyers and judges’ and nobody in power would help. I do not know what I would be capable of.

As far as the Drockton issue goes a LOT of H’s supporters have been put off by his unnecessary attack on TG. He is NOT the leader of H’s campaign, never has been and never will be. You only have to look at the amount of members in his facebook groups to see that.

Not the leader no – you mis-quote me. God help you; Robert Green is, is he not? (Much much worse) But Drockton of Mighty Brain IS A LEADING LIGHT!!! The man has a microphone, a radio programme and a loudish voice, is happy to pimp his wretched programme on YOUR FACEBOOK GROUP PAGE dear. **Ding Dong** Penny dropped yet? Hooray, now you see it – Hollie Greig’s face plastered all over the internet, airwaves, leaflets in Glasgow last Saturday etc = total exploitation and I do believe the penny is finally begining to drop. Be brave, go the full way and STOP using Hollie Greig as self-medication all of you. Seek it elsewhere.

my congratulations to MotherOf2 – imagine when so much has already been written by way of fantasy by the ill informed and the fantasist exploiting this story amid their chakras, karmas and fanciful bile – I must congratulate you on managing to invent a new Conspiracy.

That’ll keep the idiots guessing.

Just in passing you will note if dilligent I did NOT publish the names first – they had already been put in the public domain. By the way now you remind me that with the simplest of investigation the BBC chap who I have NEVER spoken to but know of well from associates who have worked with him over many years – he of course identified the fact that the list Robert Green had so glibly published without ANY evidence was I gather clearly wrong.

A pity you are not better connected but sadly as you are too ashamed of your foolish comments and your new conspiracy theory to put your name to them or I could have provided you with contacts better informed than I as in this instance I never offered to ‘Investigate’, and both Anne & Robert were more than happy to regularly spend an age on the phone to me and utilise my contacts as neither of them had ANY.

Amusingly we note you are isolated in that you claim Tom George quit because I exposed the imbecilic bedroom broadcaster Drockton for the liar and charlatan he is yet it is he who seeks to conving we are one and the same whilst the idiotic Matt Quinn seeks to claim Paul Phillips, Tom George and myself are actually reincarnations of Roy Greig or Anne’s son – delusional or what, but clearly you are nearly as batty.

You are right though perhaps it was to fltter the flattulent excrecence Drockton by calling him a poor man’s Alex Jones!

By the way is the J of your fantasy your crystal ball assures you set up farcebook – You don’t believe you may have misread the rhunes when in fact you meant Pabs and Plum who were asked by James Ellis to help set it up.

Such a pity of your so called facts you managed to get almost all wrong but never mind with your silly name you are spared the embarrassment that your children may have had with such a staggeringly self important fool as a Mother.

Do try to get the odd thing right next time – IF you want some accurate facts you can give me a call since you are clearly so out of touch!

I will back out of this now, clearly I have rattled the cage of a man who is unstable and I just don’t care to be on the receiving end of his next internet RANT. I certainly do not care to telephone a man who is capable of such bile, I feel he has done himself no favours at all being so nasty and vitriolic towards people who are simply seeking the truth and perhaps this is the reason people look to ‘conspiracy theories’ rather than what he DEMANDS we believe. The lowest point which has been reached so far is printing H’s address on the internet – downright disgusting – so forgive me if I don’t take his word.

Also I did not call Paul Drockton a “Poor man’s Alex Jones’ I was quoting the Raccoon herself.

As for me being a self important fool of a mother well Mr LW it takes one to know one.

Well done Mother of 2 for letting people have an insight into the farce that calls himself GLW. This man speaks of the exploitation and abuse H is suffering by being ”paraded around the internet” , the man is so concerned he contacted Social Services regarding this issue, yet this same man then prints H’s full address on his blog. Need I say more. If anything happens to Hollie since her address has been published I will hold you personally responsible.

The ruthless and reckless charlatan, fantasist, liar and menace that is Robert Green gets called to account in this very courageous and truthful open letter. But will he have the integrity, courage, humility and honour to now do what’s being asked of him … or will his arrogance, selfishness and HUGE ego prevent him for doing so?

I have been reporting on this case for some time, and even though I believe that something must have happened to Hollie Greig, I have always refused to name names simply because to do so would ruin any chance of a fair trial should it ever come to court.

The sudden silence concerning the case is suspicious to me, but I shall withhold judgement until such a time as all the facts come to light. Yes, my suspicions are raised…

Meanwhile, if legitimate activists would like me to highlight cases they have successfully prosecuted I would be delighted to do so.

They all sit at their computers; judging, condemning, speculating, mocking, spitting, hissing, gnarling, growling and ripping each other to shreds.

They accuse, condemn, defame, slander and hang the noose around others necks without a shred of evidence and anyone given a fair trial in a court of law.

They demand “Justice For Hollie” without realising the injustice they are perhaps doing to all those who they have already publicly named and condemned without a shred of evidence to support their screams for “justice”.

They don’t know Anne and that she possibly is indeed mentally ill (to a greater or lesser degree) and perhaps could even be suffering from M

ALL bringing us inexorably closer to Justice and the truth and making it clear that only with EVIDENCE can an enquiry be held.

You will however note my cunning plan – I have requested Shrewasbury Social Services learning skills section look into the possibility that Hollie Greig who would seem to have a mental age of around 5 be investigated as there is a possibility she is being exploited and abused!

Clever or what!

Obviously this will lead to establishing the truth and getting Justice – IF the braying asses of Hollie’s Bonkers Army of nutters are right and Robert Green & Anne Greig are telling the truth then we WILL get Justice and they have nothing to fear.

IF of course they actually have something to fear they are likely to be councelled by those seeking to exploit them to ‘leg it’ – of course this will be most effective until Hollie has need of medical care WHAT THEN?

How confident are those who would be mad enough to harbour them that long term damage isn’t being done – have YOU the expertise to stop Robert, or worse still Anne going Postal IF they are exposed by the very enquiry they wanted me to get for them!

There is as you ALL know for certain NO EVIDENCE could there be some out there who are stupid enough to take these risks with other people’s lives WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

You have seen the utter lunacies of poor sad/evil Robert Greens Uriah Heep performances and his utterly and proven barking denunciations of ANYONE who has seen through his scam. If you haven’t – hunt them down they are a text book study of delusional derangement – the man is as mad as a stoat – a dangerous out of control menace in society at large.

Just read the FACTS produce the evidence. His stunning stupidity is there for all to see. As with the MADLY proliferating blogs and web sites crammed with bizarre fantasies and obsessions about me and sadly also A.R.

I could care less I owe my living to no man and in my impecunity I have the independence Millionaires strive for – but think of the lynch mob should they ever wish to get off of benefits and get a job and a life – will their current fantastical stupidity harm their prospects for life as they linger on on the internet?

can anyone clarify how the justice system works? I had thought that if there are complaints of abuse against a vulnerable person, then the justice system in the process of preparing a case for court, would require social services to provide reports? How would Social Services do this if they did not interact with the complainant? Surely the FB campaigners and Robert Green who want an open investigation should see this as a step to what they have been asking for?

#45, I am reading your links in utter horror. Robert Greens ‘statement’ is nuts. If social services don’t get involved and protect this woman from him and the FB crazies there is going to be a tragedy. I can’t see any other outcome unless this madness is halted now.

Radical – I regret you are 100% right and thse exploiters are now USING Hollie, Anne & Robert and it is a VERY dangerous and unpredictable game they are ‘playing’ they know it but insist on basing their idiotic arguments on barely understood hearsay, inadequate checks and trying to make as if who cares what money I have.

The barking bufoons at UKIP column are now openly claiming it must be true I’m a Government agent because they don’t know where I get my money from!!

Just think this loon Gerrish was once allowed to wear a British Uniform and put in charge of a plastic washing up bowl and a crew of not many! But people no less!

One of UKIP’s very few sensible actions was toss him out alomng with the idiotic and vicious Albert the polisher and legal genius (well Special Constable!). You just couldn’t make it up. Gerrish has surrounded himself like a latter day Charlie Manson in his cult of geriatric crones and bizarre Squeeky Fromes!

They’ve got god which is deeply worrying he is supposed to have wandered around on a hill near THEM.

Gerrish had a hissy fit with me years ago when I gave him his first platform outside his bathroom! An intense, paranoid and furtive little chap but I made the mistake of questioning his evidence – I supplied him with data on the graduates of Common Purpose and as ever he had to be in charge and stole the disc!!

He is not a lot less mad than Robert Green but just as vicious if you ask for EVIDENCE. That is why they make absolutely no meaningful headway because all that a cult permits is sad followers but no reason, no logic and heaven forefend NO EVIDENCE!!

Watch their seminars on video they are slick, competent and crass!

Now look at the fantasy of the Hollie Story!! NO EVIDENCE just the utterly mad ravings of Robert Green – all so simple to repudiate.

By the way why is it their business how I ear my money? I’m puzzled by that! So because the idiots can’t identify how I live I must be a Government agent – how barking is that!!

These idiots must be the only people left who have avoided reading my output – anyone heard the latest joke? Greg’s a Government Agent!!

OK Green, Gerrish, and the rest of the paranoid lunatic fringe – have you got any evidence to back your fantasies, libels, slanders and defamation.

I am shocked at the way this has panned out. Shocked with myself. Shocked by the brimstone evangelists that send you to hell for questioning your own faith in THEIR conviction. Shocked by the way they stand for justice whilst parading a vulnerable girl like a wild west freak show in the name of openess and justice. Shocked by the hypocritical demands for answers and apologies (yet can come forward with neither). Shocked at the remorseless cold treatment of people who have given so much time, effort, energy, dogmatic trust – that are then hailed as shills and agents merely for asking to have the conclusive proof shared or acted upon before we continue with upholding the most serious of claims possible. Shocked at the fact that the government have not stepped in to defend themselves (probably because they do actually have something to hide – nothing to hide, nothing to fear remember). Shocked at the vitriolic abuse that is spat at each other in the name of truth. I am shocked at the human race. We are an abomination to evolution. I am also not only shocked but disgusted with all of the above.

I have however met many quiet, genuine, hurt, hopeful, needy and clearly wonderful people that have fallen foul of our own species, especially through being involved in this. Be it those that genuinely want us to do a lot better as a species or victims of establishment, relatives, social networking lunatics, glory hunters, paranoid deviants. These are the people I stand for. The hope for humanity is with them and it is these that will suffer most from the continuation of farces such as this that is Robert Greens responsibility to address honourably.

There is oil flooding into the seas which is a potential disaster of a scale we have never known, there are soldiers killing innocent civilians in illegal wars with radioactive munitions, heads of banking and media colluding in secret meetings – that is NOW.

We are consumed with the actions of a charlatan. But it is all part of the change that we are seeing and it is down to the individual to seek and accept the truth. I accept my foolishness in running with this over the last 5 months and am seeking to rectify it, not to save my skin, but as I am duty bound to make all those aware of my concerns for the validity of something I so strongly disseminated to them. How do I explain to my father that what he got so upset by but was proud of my courage to stand for – that it was a hoax? My friends. 27000 people that came in hope? There have been some incredible lessons here. If we learn from them I believe we can forgive ourselves and others and also still see the change we hoped for.

My thoughts are, as they always were, with Hollie for whatever the truth of this – it is she that will remain the abused and innocent. Also with those that looked to this wreckers lamp charading as a lighthouse in the storm of our de-humanisation.

Pabs – you know how I feel about you buddy … the most honourable and decent man to come out of this tragedy.

I am as regretful about this whole very sorry and tragic state of affairs as you are and am very ashamed that I was duped by the charm, plausibility and cunning ruthlessness and recklessness of Robert Green – he who demands apologies of others, but isn’t honourable and honest enough to do so himself and concede he might, just might, have made a mistake and got it wrong … a hellova lot wrong. The arrogance of this man is quite astounding.

God help Anne and Hollie now – wherever they may be hiding out? They are in the “care” of a charlatan(s), deluded fool(s) and criminal(s).

I only hope if they are in need of urgent medical help, their own health won’t be sacrificed to protect the identity of those who have spirited them away.

My thoughts are with them – no matter what they too may think about me now … I care not a jot what the braying mob think and they are free to phone me if they want to denegrate me and challenge me in any way.

“May I ask just what it is you think the government have to hide if it is all a hoax?” …

Perhaps the fact that they should have dealt with the allegations more thoroughly and professionally a decade ago, thus avoiding the ill-informed, ruthless, reckless and highly irresponsible braying mob onslaught ten years later.

Still waiting for Drockton and Green to publicly apologise and show some humility …

“They seek them here, they seek them there … those many duped souls seek them everywhere. Are they in heaven or are they in HELL, those damn elusive Pimpernels”!

Fair point Mr George. However, I hope you do not think I am “ill-informed. ruthless and highly irresponsible”? Perhaps a couple of hundred years ago, but not now. As for braying, I leave that to the more unsavoury of mobs sir!

Does our Mr George also speak for you Mr Phillips?

You are thoroughly deserving of an apology from the American, but Green? Has he also slandered your good name?

Finally sir, if I am in “HELL”, then I can only say what a thoroughly pleasant “HELL” it is! In fact, I could not recommend “HELL” more highly!

I have no idea if you are “ill-informed, ruthless and highly irresponsible”. I am still seeking you as you know. But I’m delighted to read you are not of the braying variety – that’s a relief to see … phewee! I would never wish to cross swords with you SP.

No, of course, I don’t talk for Pabs – he, like G L-W, is more than capable of speaking for himself, as I think you know. But I do respect him immensely and agree with his very eloquent analysis of this very tragic tale now I regret to say.

Thank you for agreeing that “the American” does indeed owe me apology – I can clearly see, whoever (and wherever ?) you are, you are a fair, reasoned and rational person. It is a great pity there weren’t more amidst all the melee that ensued some time ago in this very sorry affair.

Yes, I’m afraid the ever so charming, plausible, manipulative, arrogant, cunning, ruthless, reckless, two-faced and LYING Mr Green (SUE ME) has indeed slandered my name with others – as he has Pabs … to me on the phone on Tuesday past when I phoned him up again to challenge his deafening silence and callous indifference and to put him on the spot. He said Pabs was “a liar” in fact – just like I apparently called Hollie “a liar” … NOT. It was pretty desperate stuff. Now that I am no longer just another “yes man” and adoring, deluded, duped and fawning fan, he has gone off me somewhat – kind of indicates the very warped and ruthless personailty-disordered type we are really dealing with here. Not very honourable or gentlemanly at all I’m afraid to say.

I am of course so sorry to learn that you are presently in “HELL”, but I am pleased to read that you seem to be in good company there. I hope you never get burnt and enjoy the stay with “the more unsavoury of mobs” you encounter whilst down there.

Good day to you SP. I certainly won’t ever cross swords with you again!

You left me without a name on your online radio shows last Friday night (28 May), Monday night (31 May) and Tuesday night (1 June) when Robert was on – no unreserved apology on the latter programme from you or Robert … how honourable and gentlemanly you both are! You accused me of being things I am plainly not and that I said “Hollie is a liar” – I have / would not say that … EVER. You slandered my name and wished me harm and ill. “Slanderous filth” indeed sir!

This whole thing turned pear-shaped after the Mark Daly interview on the Tony “Legend” radio show on the night of Sunday 25 April 2010 – where Robert and Anne were found wanting and doubts starting to develop amongst those who believed every aspect of this “case”. You know how this developed over the course of that week, no thanks to your bullish and egotistical behaviour – when you and Greg started to name call, flame and let your big egos take over … and I was caught in the crossfire in the process. Greg at least has had the decency and integrity to apologise and express sincere regret over that and I accepted his apology and know he never intended for me to become “collateral damage”.

I have made my position perfectly clear about Greg in my previous emails to you several times. I agree he has perhaps overstepped the mark about certain things and I certainly do not agree with all he writes – I do not want you or anyone to commit suicide or come to any harm or ill … he should not have said that, but we all can say things in anger that we don’t really mean and later regret … I have done so many times throughout my life and I am obviously very regretful for doing so … but we all sadly do. I am not Greg’s master and cannot force him to stop what he says on his blog. He has been getting a lot of “slanderous filth” too and even death threats as well – perhaps you might want to retaliate and would get very angry too … I know I certainly would not take such “slanderous filth” without wanting to defend my good name … as I have been doing over the past few days with you Again, I am not defending Greg (he is perfectly capable of doing that himself) and I don’t agree with everything he writes, but I would say there are certainly reasonable mitigating circumstances for his actions over the past 5 weeks.

Greg is not working for the government (nor am I or Pabs – which is just very paranoid thinking if anyone thinks we are), he is not the devil, he is not evil and he is not mad or deranged – had you spoken to him at the end of April when suggested, you could have determined that for yourself. But he is obviously very hacked off that he has been rounded on by a largely ignorant, ill-informed and angry braying mob who do not really know him or the full circumstances of his involvement in Hollie’s case since early last year – and you did exactly the same when you wrongly accused him on my now defunct “Scots AgainstInjustice” Facebook Profile Wall on Tuesday 27 April 2010 and then left him without a name on your online radio show on Thursday 29 April 2010 – which I challenged you over on a point of principle (his right to reply to your charges) and you refused to respond and phone me as I requested.

There are a lot of people now who are greatly dissatisfied with the apparent lack of HARD evidence. There are a lot of people who feel used, abused, duped and discarded. There are a lot of people who doubt the veracity of the whole case. There are a few people who have been involved since last year (I was one of that few) who have now been hung out to dry without a public apology from Robert, Stuart or Anne – or with even a hint of any regret in a public statement.

And you wonder why there is now all this mud-slinging, anger, nastiness, hatred, bile and “slanderous filth”!?

Speaking of which … I still await your full, proper, public and unreserved apology from you for your “slanderous filth” towards me – and Pabs.

How about it Paul? …

Show some honesty, integrity, honour and humility as I have done and just say …

“I’m profusely sorry Tom and I unreservedly apologise … I slandered your good name without justified reason and I was very wrong to do so” …

And put it on your website for the public record as well.

I’m waiting Paul …

Tom

07791-226-490

cc. Stuart Usher, Robert Green et al

PS. Remember Paul … it was because of you that I am now in the position I am and getting accused of things that are simply untrue, unfair and unjustified.

This letter can be freely disseminated to others and reproduced anywhere on the internet – but the full and complete text only.

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ADDENDUM:

Anna Raccoon is as much a shill as I am. Those who still think myself, Pabs, Greg and Anna are “highly paid government agents” really ought to seek immediate psychiatric help for their paranoid disorders.

after the eloquence of Paul Phillips so well presenting the case – just look at this shamefull and cowardly drivel from some no nothing low life with little command of the language and less knowledge of the facts.

Little wonder that this particular cowardly excrecence is too ashamed to put his name to the nonsense he circulates.

I am sickened by the sponge brained snivelling cowards like this buffoon – pre pubescent little girls trolling the internet making much of showing off – Robert green is not disimilar with the hatefull residual gaggle of wituperative witches egging him on in his obscene and irresponsible behaviour – Cat Shit or whatever you childish name is you are clearly out of your depth, just leaping up and down showing off.

Be grown up enough if you are going to dishonestly and vituperatively defame adults to put your name to your banal mutterings.

Now sunshine for all your sad weenie waggling pop your plastic mac back on and let us know: Where is the evidence – have YOU Personally seen ANY EVIDENCE.

Remember those ‘Show and Tell’ lessons you were having not so long ago – well you sad muppet SHOW & TELL what evidence YOU have seen.

In best part of 2 years involvement with this sad fantasy I have seen not one shred! Now we have some irresponsible foul mouthed (yes I saw your childish posting an the batty Sandra Barr’s secret squirrel site & the shamefull comments of that geriatric creep Stuart Usher who surely is old enough to know better! & yet again Brian Gerrish’s childish dribblings in his fantasy comic for the lunatic fringe obsessed with how I earn a living which PROVES for these half wits that I am a Government agent, a measure of their sanity!)

ButlinCat – you are a risible fool with little intelligence and less common sense another motor mouth unfettered by thought or reason and blind to the FACTS – you are defaming people with not a shred of evidence and in the association of the criminal nutters.

I now believe that for Hollie & Anne’s safety it is time they were taken into care in a swecure unit until this madness calms down.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are BOTH at risk – and of course Hollie as a desparately impaired person with a mental age around 5 is most ably suited to continue in the loving care of her Mother but obviously with suitable medical and Social Services support to avoid exploitation and abuse in the future from evil people like Green, butlincat, Barr, Usher, Drockton, Gerrish and others willing to rush in without ascertaining a single solitary FACT.

There is NO EVIDENCE, there was NO CRIME until Robert Green & Stuart Usher started to commit one.

IF ANYONE has one shred of doubt of the FACTS in this fantasy surrounding Hollie Greig please feel free to contact me – you don’t have to believe me or trust me but do listen before there is a tragedy!

Hi – I just wish to inform you that the people mentioned in the press release below are nothing to do with our cause of trying to get justice for Hollie Greig,on facebook and numerous other sites.We are trying to get justice in this case of sexual abuse against her by a Scottish paedophile ring, the ring consisting of a top policeman {now deceased}, nurses, social workers, lawyers, and many more, the whole atrocity being covered up from media exposure by the Law Advocate of Scotland Elish Angilioni, probably by subtle threat and inuendo of dire consequences should the facts of the case be reported in the main media. Please be clear these crimes did exist, for at least over 15 years to Hollie, and are probably still going on today to some poor innocent child.Hollie was awarded

The one person who matters most out of all the rest is Hollie herself. If Hollie was abuse by her father at first, i am surprise he was not arrested as the primary suspect.

There are procedures that come into play, when an allegation of abuse is reported. The Police, social workers, who are trained in child protection, would have concern, not only for Hollie but also, equally for other vulnerable people, who may have been abused.

The seriousness of this abuse is because Hollie, is not only a vulnerable adult, but also more so because she lacks capacity. That means she is open to be coerced into doing things, by those who are out to exploit her

The person or persons who committed the abuse would be the only ones who hold the evidence. That is why an investigation, involving many professionals is triggered.

A Professional who works in child Protection has told me, that Hollies

We should also remember there were some very abnormal aspects to the treatment received by Robert Green following his first arrest. As you will recall, his hearing took place in Stonehaven despite the Aberdeen Press & Journal (red herring or misapprehension?) saying it would be (as would have been expected) in Aberdeen Sheriff Court. Then there is the fact that the the hearing was held in camera! Quite extraordinary for a trifling Breach of the Peace, wouldn’t you say?!

I was present for those events. One of the people I spoke with that day was the duty solicitor in Aberdeen Sheriff Court. She assured me that asking concerned callers (wanting to know where Robert Green was!) to leave their names and contact details with the Procurator Fiscal’s (PF) call centre (in Glasgow) was completely unheard of! Incidentally, the PF call centre people refused to tell anyone where or even if, Robert’s case was being held that day. If Robert Green is to be believed, the police (or others?) told him on the Friday(!) that his hearing would be in Stonehaven. (Shame they didn’t inform the P&J…?) Why then could the PF’s office not tell us that on the Monday? Should information like that not be in the public domain? Obviously I was also very concerned about Robert’s no-show at court, however, not one official in the court could (or would?) tell me anything. (I found out via the Internet like everyone else.)

Incidentally, while loitering in the hallways of the court, I more than once heard chatty banter between advocates and others to the effect of, ‘It’s awfully quiet for a Monday’.

Finally, also worthy of note was the heavy police presence in and around the court in Stonehaven. (We counted around 7 or 8 officers.) I was informed by two reliable locals that again, apart -perhaps- from hearings involving powerful drug lords and the like, this was utterly unheard of.

I believe that whenever the authorities seemingly deviate from Standard Operating Procedure in manners such as these, freedom-loving citizens should endeavour to find out why. And you know, as they say, no smoke without fire!

Luv

Shone

PS GLW is forbidden from re-producing in any manner this, or any other of my writings. I don’t mind others doing so, just as long as I am not misrepresented.

PPS The PF call centre staff *only* asked for people’s names and details after they knew who we were calling about. To quote the lady I spoke with, “Ah right, we’ve been told to take your name and contact number…”

I note with some amusement the astonishing lack of understanding of the law on the part of Shona – she cleeves to herself the near divine right to defame, dissemble and distort and seeks to deny the right of the truth.

IDIOT – why not type at the top:

Here are my lies and no one is allowed to tell the truth.

Shona you have no such legal right though it is clear you fear the possibility nay probability, well in reality certainty that you will be proved wrong on many of your ridicul;ous misrepresentations and fanciful leaps of logic.

I will return to your self indulgent twaddle and answer it in full on StolenKids when it suits me and to suppress the truth you may by all means lose a fortune in the law courts trying to uphold a right to lie without right of reply!

This sadly is anexample of the rigor that has been brought in this story and it is founded quite clearly on mob rule, the lynch mob and hysteria, from idiotic people like Shona who eggs on sad figures like the liar and fool Stuart Usher.

At no point in my “self indulgent twaddle” did I lie and I resent your slanderous assertions that I did!

Just to make things abundantly clear for you; the parenthesised comments ending in question marks represent CONJECTURE, which I fully accept may not be representable of the truth. (The clamp down on free speech has not gone that far, has it?)

Conjecture aside, I would be more than willing to repeat *any* of the above in a court of law.

Once again, I forbid you from re-producing my “self indulgent twaddle” on any of your sites.

John with respect I suggest you take the advice you have offered in your last paragraph.

You clearly know nothing of this story.

Be minded there is not one shred of usable evidence that words are put in the mouth of a woman with a mental age of 5 is all too possible.

It is claimed that Hollie Greig was serially and gang raped BY ADULTS, over a period from 6 to 20 yet concealed this from her Mother deliberately and dishonestly – she has manifest no medical evidence of rape, no forensic evidence of rape, no physical evidence of rape and no reaction to gang rape.

There is absolutely no evidence of rape and what Mother would be so uncaring as to have no cogniscence of distress nor signs of laundry. This was a child who, it is claimed, without evidence, had been both vaginally and anally raped WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE!!

We also have a fantasy of the murder of Anne’s brother – again with not a shred of evidence that his death was other than suicide and further more with apparent due cause.

Greg you used the word rape,in relation to a child,7 times in that rather brief post. time for a cold shower me thinks.

just for the record,are you the same greg hyphen hyphen that accusses gordon brown of having a taste for rent boys? the same greg hyphen hyphen who says he has proof that tony blair was tried and convicted for gay sex in a public place

your posts reveal a very strange mind at work,one which you have my sympathy for having to inhabit

dont bother getting yourself all worked up into some self-righteous indignant self important rant because I wont be returning to this awful blog,I feel dirty enough after a single visit.

Call me naive John but when I first read about this story, my initial reaction was like everyone else’s…it was like one of these crap novels you find in a charity shop bin. Horrifying story and you just couldn’t help but be sucked in by it. But the logic part of my tiny brain nagged me into ditching the emotion …. and I found things much clearer.

I have a very old friend who worked in a woman’s refuge for 16 yrs – the few stories she shared with me over that time would make your flesh creep and eyes water and even she said of this case – no, it would not stand up without concrete evidence. They do not have it she said. What about the girl’s father…thats where any hope of a conviction lies. And she knows, believe me. John, you do not stand a chance in hell of success. Face it, and if you must keep your campaign going then for god’s sake make some major changes quickly before Hollie’s life becomes even more difficult for her. And it will, believe me. None of us baddies are spys or crooks. We are all good people who want what is best for this woman and are fighting to get it, like you. But I do believe we have logic on our side; your team are too damn high on emotion and have seriously cocked things up. Bring them to heel!

I have been following this alleged abuse story for some time. Originally, I did ask for various pieces of evidence, and none were in fact forthcoming – I believe most of the ‘evidence’ is in fact hearsay or circumstancial, which does not constitute proof at all.

I more or less dismissed the whole thing as yet another conspiracy theory, of the type that abounds all over the internet, from ‘inside jobs’ on 9/11 and 7/7 to lizards in charge of the government.

However, one ot two recent events have intrigued me, over and above the alleged abuse. Firstly, the ‘raid’ on Anne Greig’s Shropshire home and the changed locks on the doors – why did this occur ?

Secondly, why isn’t Green being sued for libel ? People have been in the courts for much less than is inferred by his allegations.

Thirdly, there is this Lance Watkins character. I don’t know anything about him – I have no axe to grind. But he is certainly weird – the way he constructs sentences is very very odd – he reminds me of a public schoolboy from the debating society who suffers from arrested development.

However, personality apart, this Lance Watkins has placed some photographs on his blog, which according to Green , can only have been obtained during the ‘raid’ on Anne Greig’s house. Try as I might, I cannot find where Lance Watkins has stated where he sourced these photographs , or a denial that he got them from the ‘raid’ on Anne Greig’s house.

Whether Hollie Greig was abused, whether Anne Greig is mentally ill, or Green is a looney, I do not know. But I am very intrigued, and somewhat concerned , about the way that the ‘authorities’ are dealing with this matter.

In particular, since Lance Watkins is ‘holier than thou’ , I would like clarification WHERE he got the photographs of Roy Greig from – just to restore my faith in no-conspiracy-at-all.

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I apologise for the length of this piece. There are a lot of facts to be laid out.

I would also ask before you tell me that I have left this or that fact out that you refer to my original blog post on the subject – I have tried not to repeat myself here.

Comments will be open, especially if you have factual evidence to bring forward. If you come here just to hiss and spit, and treat me to some of the vile and venal abuse that has been bandied around in this case – unless it is especially witty or has some intrinsic merit, it will be deleted.

I have written before on the subject of Robert Green and his ‘campaign’ on behalf of a young female sufferer of Down’s syndrome who, he maintains, was the subject of a vicious and sustained series of rapes by both men and women.

What interests me about this particular case is the fundamental mismatch between, on one hand, the passionate campaign that has raged on Face-book and, on the other, the embarrassingly sparse ‘evidence’ on which it was based.

It has taken me some time to peel away the layers of ‘internet truth’ and to arrive at the essential facts, such as they are, that do exist.

Anne, the girl’s Mother, originally contacted two men to publicise her story. ALL the information that is on the Internet, ALL the firmly held beliefs, ALL the ‘alleged’ evidence, was given to those two men, and emerged into the world via the various means THEY took to publicise the case.

Neither of them was Robert Green. He came into the story later.

Let us take Stuart Usher first. Stuart, a part time Hot Dog salesman runs an organisation called Scotland against Crooked Lawyers and has done for some 10 years or so. It has a website http://www.sacl.org/

Stuart has ‘named and shamed’ some 140 lawyers and judges based in Scotland on his web site regarding a variety of alleged offences, including paedophilia, who, in his opinion, are ‘crooked’. He cites, with great pride, that none of them have ever thought to sue him. Whether this is because his accusations are accurate and they are hanging their head in shame, or because they felt that giving more publicity to wild accusations whilst suing a Hot Dog salesman was possibly counter productive is a matter of opinion.

Still, Stuart Usher was a first hand confident of Anne, the girl’s Mother, and presumably had access to concrete evidence of her claims. Unfortunately, Stuart has decided to withdraw from the case ‘to spend more time with his family’ – as you will find, we end up with a list of people who were ‘in at the beginning’ who have mysteriously melted away.

Tuesday, May 18, 2010
Stuart Usher to Paul Drockton

Paul
I have had increased pressure from my family recently with regard to my efforts to help other people. In a nutshell they feel the time has come for me to divert my efforts to support them instead. I have agreed to this as they have suffered badly over the years and I now feel the time has come for me to concentrate my efforts on them.

You require patience and dedication to listen to it all the way through. The amateur ‘disc jockey’ suffers interminable technical problems for the first half hour, and after three quarters of an hour of attempting to make sense of Mr Usher’s words, the disc jockey returns to playing some excruciating hard rock…..I nearly lost the will to live, but I was determined to learn at first hand precisely what the claims were.

Mr Usher would tell you that Anne’s daughter was repeatedly raped at the ‘house of Sheriff B’s sister, Evelyn’. This is casualty number one in the search for truth. Sheriff B simply does not have a sister Evelyn. He may well have a dog called Evelyn, a cat even, but no sister.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

Mr Usher would also tell you that Anne and her daughter were forced to ‘flee Scotland’ following the ‘murder’ of her brother Roy. Roy had apparently been ‘repeatedly battered over the head with an axe handle’ before being pushed into a car which was set alight in an arson attack.

Now one of the claims which circulates on the Internet is that this unfortunate death was ‘hushed up’ by the authorities, and described as ‘suicide’ when it was murder – the implication is usually that Roy was murdered as a direct result of Anne having laid information with the police a few days earlier. I have repeatedly been told that it was never investigated. Not true.

Whatever the Police investigation amounted to, there was an in depth investigation by an experienced journalist. One Mark Daly of the BBC. Mark Daly is the journalist who according to Robert Green was ‘bullied by his bosses’ into dropping a proposed documentary about the case. This version alternates with one which says that he was silenced by a ‘D’ notice. Mark spoke out on the Face Book group.

“I have been involved in some of the biggest investigations into corruption, racism, murder and child sex abusers broadcast in the UK over the past ten years of my career, and the suggestion that I would be complicit in a cover up of important journalism is insulting and deeply misguided.”
“After careful consideration some time later (before we had filmed anything), we, the programme team, decided we couldn’t proceed with the story. It became clear that the wider allegations that were being made would be impossible to verify, and indeed we had concerns about the veracity of many of them. On that basis, we made a professional decision not to proceed. As journalists, we are not in a position to pick and choose which allegations we want to run or believe, and the vast majority of these allegations were, in our opinion, un-provable. There are few more serious allegations one can make about a person than to call them a paedophile, and for that reason, the evidence has to be of the utmost quality. And in this case, I’m afraid it fell far short of this hurdle.”

Exit Mark Daly – but not before he had helpfully asked for and received from Grampian Police, the autopsy report for Roy Grieg. There the evidence that Roy had been ‘repeatedly battered about the head with an axe handle’ so frequently cited, melts away to become a ‘contusion’ on his head. Contusion being the medical term for a common or garden bruise. The ‘broken ribs’ may well owe more to the strenuous efforts – efforts which earned him a medal from the Royal Humane Society – of a passing oil rig worker who pulled Roy Grieg from his car during a filthy storm and in the middle of the night and gave him CPR in an effort to save his life.

Mark Daly had also uncovered something which directly contradicted Anne’s claim that there could be no truth in the Coroner’s verdict that her brother committed suicide – for he had ‘no reason to commit suicide’. Daly discovered that Roy Greig had been suspended from his job amid allegations of a substantial sum of money missing. He had recently travelled to Glasgow to obtain legal assistance in respect of these matters from his union.

These things matter when you are basing a campaign on your right to publicise ‘the truth’.

Two witnesses down, but fear not. We have more. Next up is Greg Lance-Watkins. Lance-Watkins has spent some 30 years campaigning on behalf of abused children. He runs an ‘enabling’ web site, which helps those children to have their own web site and tell their story under the umbrella of his main web site. Anne approached him and asked him to publicise her daughter’s story. She explained that she had no internet skills and it was agreed that he would operate the http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/ and write it as though it was Hollie telling her own story. Those who claim that Hollie is a competent witness for any trial, and cite as evidence the fact that she ‘willingly’ tells her ‘own’ story on her ‘own’ web site, please take note. Mr Lance-Watkins freely admits that the words are his, using information coming from Hollie’s Mother. In his lay opinion, Hollie has a mental age of under 10.

Lance-Watkins has been in this ‘business’ for many years, and he has had some success at obtaining justice for abused children. He is, like Mark Daly, the journalist, fully aware of the necessity for concrete evidence and strongly advised Anne not to court publicity until such time as they had gathered whatever documentary evidence they could. He was assured it would be forthcoming and was available.

Eventually he managed to gain sight of the autopsy report which was cited as evidence that Anne’s brother had been wickedly battered about the head and murdered. He was slightly non plussed to discover that this only amounted to a ‘contusion’ and even more non plussed to learn of the evidence regarding a possible crime in Roy’s workplace, despite having repeatedly pressed Anne for possible reasons for Roy’s suicide.

Then he pressed Anne for the mysterious medical evidence that showed how Hollie had been brutally anally and vaginally raped for 10 years by this paedophile ring. She finally gave him this document.

It is difficult to read, it is a scanned version of a very bad folded photocopy. With diligence and Photoshop’s enlargement facilities, it is possible however.

Hollie was born at the end of 1979 and here we have a Doctor informing another Doctor that at some time prior to 1992 (the date of the letter) Hollie’s parents had jointly enquired as to the need for contraception for their daughter. It was alleged that Hollie had been making sexual overtures to other children within her special needs facility.

I do not propose to further discuss Hollie’s medical affairs; she is entitled to a darn sight more privacy than she has received so far. Suffice it to say, that those who rest their case that Hollie was ‘sexually abused’ in any form on the supposed ‘medical evidence’, would be well advised to read carefully this letter that Anne Greig claims is the evidence. You will not find one iota of evidence from the Doctor who had intimately examined her that this was so. What you will find is that at one point in her life, Hollie had suffered from a minor yet common ailment which can be transmitted sexually – though that is by no means the only way in which you can acquire it.

One could put this paucity of substantive evidence down to yet another example of the authorities ‘covering up’ the abuse of Hollie – except that this is the very document on which Anne Greig rests her case.

Lance-Watkins now reluctantly admits that he is in the embarrassing position of having been ‘duped’ . He has not precisely joined the ranks of those who have walked away from the story, he is too much of a professional for that, however, he has retired to the sidelines and thrown out an open invitation to the thousands of members of ‘Holly’s Army’ who are fighting for ‘Justice for Hollie’ to step forward with any concrete evidence before he puts his reputation at risk any more.

Predictably he has been roundly abused by all concerned for this. The myth and fallacy that abounds on the Internet is too deeply entrenched for anyone to take cautious heed of the man who spoke for Holly ceasing to speak for Holly – it is ‘obvious’ that he is part of the conspiracy protecting these mythical government figures, either that or he has been ‘bought off’ by strange figures from MI5. The truth that he is no more prepared to put his reputation on the line without evidence than was Mark Daly is too bitter a pill for them to swallow.

Which leaves us with the Facebook Group. The home base of Holly’s 27,000 strong army. Or does it?

For you see Paul Phillips and his girlfriend Plum, who set up that Facebook Group and urged supporters to publicise this horrendous story so successfully – well they too have retired from the fray ‘to spend more time with their family’ – as has Tom George from ScotsVInjustice, another man with lots of experience in these cases who sadly doesn’t have a family, but still feels he can do something more with his time.

The Facebook Group was closed down, but not before some horrendous mudslinging as the original publicists of the story withdrew one by one. I have never before seen such venal and vindictive commentators.

I have come across many people over the past year whilst being heavily involved in Hollie’s case – some who are sincere and genuine people and others who have obvious ulterior motives and should really question why they became involved and whose interests they were really trying to further. I would like to state publicly here that everything stated by Pabs and Plum above is all factual and I regard them both as sincere and genuine people whose motives in Hollie’s case, like mine, were purely altruistic and their detractors should be thoroughly ashamed to have denounced them in the very malicious way they have. They are both good human beings and simply did not deserve the vilification that has spewed forth their way over recent days and weeks.

I have other very serious, sad and tragic cases I am vigorously pursuing presently against the authorities in Edinburgh and, yes, Aberdeen too and I am committed to fulfilling my obligations to the people concerned. I hope my rapidly declining health does not negate me having to pass these cases on to others to help with and I can see some kind of satisfactory resolution for the individuals concerned.

So far we have lost the medical evidence of horrendous sexual abuse, lost the medical evidence that Anne’s brother was murdered, lost the experienced campaigners against paedophilia that we started off with, shed several experienced journalists along the way – what are we left with?

We have Robert Green, would be journalist and broadcaster, who wishes to publicise the names of the people he says that Hollie says abused her, some of who like Sheriff B’s sister, simply don’t exist. We have Paul Drockton, broadcasting from somewhere several thousand miles away having never met any of the people involved. We have a newspaper in Palestine still prepared to print these allegations against British government figures – oh and we have a new Facebook group containing all the people who would far rather believe that there is a conspiracy here, than to face the fact that all the people who started this campaign have now faded away into the shadows – awaiting something more concrete than the wild accusations thrown around by a woman who has been tormented by grief and difficulties in life.

Fortunately, we also have the figure of Paula Morris in Hollie’s home town of Shrewsbury, a sensible Social Worker, who is currently looking into the welfare of this deeply vulnerable young woman and whether she is capable of making an informed decision as to whether she should be paraded on radio and Internet as the poster girl for the hysterical Hollie’s Army.

There is considerable sexual abuse of young women (and men) with Down’s syndrome. It is an entrenched problem. It is invariably carried out by those who have easy access to these young people. Fathers, brothers, uncles, both real and phoney, bus drivers, care attendants. In some rare cases, and they are rare compared to the bulk of disgracefully mundane cases of sexual abuse, they will include figures from other walks of life. Yes, even Judges, and policemen.

What Hollie’s Army have succeeded in doing is gaining wide spread recognition of the apparent ‘fact’ – without any evidence – that paedophilia is part and parcel of a government conspiracy, rather than an event which is all around you every day, next door to you even. That it is a celebrity vice. That may please their desire for publicity. It does nothing for the thousands of Down’s Children who need to be protected.

Perhaps all 27,000 of Holly’s Army might care to get themselves CRB checked – those of them who are able to pass such a check, for sure there will be paedophiles amongst these groups – where else will they find constant discussions of the finer points of sexual abuse? And when they have passed their checks, they might care to volunteer to help protect these deeply vulnerable individuals. They will find it most rewarding.

Perhaps a tad boring compared to the glamour of demanding the right to libel most of the Scottish political establishment on the basis of zero evidence and wild accusations.

It has been established beyond all reasonable doubt that the STORIES surrounding allegations of abuse of Hollie Greig are a dishonest and malicious hoax promoted by Anne Greig, Robert Green, Stuart Usher and others.

I freely admit I was conned into support of the claims, based upon lies and promises of evidence that never materialised. I apologise to anyone who may feel they have thus been defamed by my error.

For details of the background we would ask you to read the PAGE CLICK HERE

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Hi,

those following the machinations of the criminal Robert Green and his plea of ‘Guilty’ in Court, to the latest round of charges against him may be interested in this conversation as posted on YouTube:

+Greg L-W. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. Sums up your weak reply and complete avoidance to the facts I have given. Proves my point of you being a cowardly little boy. Unless you have something of relevance to say go and crawl back into the hole you came out of kthx

You seem to have no valid points to make based on facts, such as there is absolutely zero admissible evidence to support your fantasies and so you reveal your true intellectual abil;ity and resort to abuse and obscenities!You seem to have much in common with this excellent description of the stereotypical Hollie Greig hoax supporter aiding the lies of Robert Green and his cult followers:

@user/pookster78

11 hours ago

MALCOLM KONRAD OGILVY,

I notice you have copied the other conversation from here onto your
facebook account.

I have to say, looking at your facebook I can’t help but feel a bit
sorry for you. I read a bit about the false allegations you made
concerning your own daughter and comments you made about your ex
partner. To give you the benefit of the doubt I looked at her facebook.

I don’t know if she was ever a washout like you but if she was, she
certainly doesn’t look it now. Maybe that’s what eats you up. She looks
clean, healthy and happy. They have a lovely little family unit going on
with positive comments to her friends. In fact, it looks like your
average facebook account.

Compare that to yours. Your facebook is the ramblings of a deranged
manchild obsessed with paedophilia.

You have arguments and paranoia towards “friends” and accuse anyone who
disagrees with you of being a paedophile.

You misread and misinterpret documents you have concerning your
daughters case. You even coached her to say phrases which would imply
she had been abused, and put it on video. Sexualizing your daughter like
that is tantamount to sexual abuse in itself.

Perhaps the saddest part of all is you have no recent pictures of
yourself. Just pictures from a time when you actually were a decent
looking lad. Now you look like Gollum after a 3 week bender in
Amsterdam…like you should be asking people for a spare pound for your
“bus”. Just like Gollum you have become dishevelled,dark, twisted,
paranoid and obsessive. It shows that on some level even you don’t want
to be what you are now, harking back to times gone by.

You have a video of your mum and don’t seem to realise that the rolling
of eyes and sighing is actually because she has had to listen to
your incessant drivel for years now.

Even on your website, which is supposed to be about justice for a girl
with DS, you call someone a “MONG”. I mean, what the actual fuck is
wrong with you?

This life and world owes you nothing. All your problems are from within
you and only you can change them. If you don’t you risk losing
everything you care about. I don’t think you have what it takes but i’d
love for you to come back here in the future and rub it in my face by
proving me wrong

I have a challenge for you Malcolm. You copied the other conversation to
facebook, I challenge you to copy this too. I challenge you to ask your
friends to be 100% honest with you and tell you if i’m wrong or right.
If the world really is against you, or that you are your own worst
enemy. I may have seemed harsh in what I said but that’s because nobody
else seems to give you the kick up the arse you need. I have probably
been more honest with you in this single comment than your groupies have
ever. The beauty is Malcolm, you know in your own head whether I’m
right or wrong.Therefore, if you want to know which of your “friends”
really are friends, then take the challenge and see who is honest. Allow
the honest ones to help you.

Good LuckDo save yourself the embarrassment of displaying your ignorance in a response.I trust you cope with the rest of your life and its ignorance of reality in your tin foil hat and conspiracy theories hidden in cowardice behind foul language, ill manners, ignorance and a false identity (little wonder!)Regards,Greg_L-Whttp://HollieGreigetc(dot)Wordpress(dot)com.

Further it was addressed in dertail on the web site under the StolenKids sites of which the Hollie Greig specific site was hacked and removed as it held all the documentary material and media comments mostly in accurate chronological order – including the autopsy and death certificate of Robert (Roy) Greig pertaining to and making very clear his death was a suicide – it also contained factual data showing the suicide to have been uremarkable in any way and understandable in the cirtcumstances.

The site also contained correspondence from Greg Mackie and photographs supplied by him.

The site also showed with factual support the clear rebuttal of many of the more prominent fantasies as promoted by the criminal actions of Robert Green and also by Hollie’s mother Anne and thei ill informed cult followers.

It would seem that the siute was hacked to remove it because it contained cross referemced, documented provenance of the irrefutable fact that there is not one shred of substantive, corroborated admissible evidence in support of the fantasies and allegations put forward by Anne, Robert Green or their odious cult followers – all of whom were made clearly aware, with factual details that the allegations regarding Hollie and Roy Greig were a tissue of lies constructed by Robert Green & Anne.

IF there was one shred of truth in the scam then I challenge those who colluded in the removal of the facts I had posted to supply me with a copy of the site, which I will re-post and discuss in detail with any civil, rational individual willing to put his identity to his comments and postings.

Further I re-iterate my challenge to the fantasists to debate the issue face to face in a public venue – in a civilised and ordered manner.

Robert Green is a criminal as proven and has lied and distorted these issues for his own gain and notoriety and has received absolutely zero support from anyone of credible stature who is informed upon the issue and now he has finally pleaded guilty in Court to the latest related charges.

May I suggest that you make an effort to restore the entire paper trail of facts as was posted on my blog and hackerd and removed by the fantasists.

Once that is done read the details there and on my present web site and until adequately informed save yourself from the embarrassment of further making a fool of yourself.

May I add, when armed with the facts, as I have outlined, you may even have the confidence and integrity to use your real name for your apology to those you have abused and insulted.

I will tell you a little story:
I came to YT and commented on a video concerning Hollie Greig. Malcolm then commented me calling me a “Hoax cunt” and that “give us a shout next time you’re in Glenshee”

Now, the reason he mentioned Glenshee is because he Googled my user name and seen me comment on a video about snowboarding at Glenshee. What Malcolm did was give a veiled threat. I decided therefore to investigate his username “holliegreig justice”.

During that search I found someone give his real name. I then googled his real name and found his facebook. ALL the information in my previous post is found on his facebook. I am not on his friends list so the information I found is open to the public. It is not a crime to know public information. Further, on his facebook you will see screenshots of my previous comment on this video. Malcolm also comments that “Scotty” is kicking their asses. Malcolm means you. Maybe you are David Scott who apparently made the above court description, but I am certainly not “Maggs”.

It’s funny isn’t it:
-Malcolm stands on a public street accusing innocent people of being child abusers.
– Malcolm accuses the police of covering up and being suspect paedos, giving their names and numbers on his facebook (might be a good idea he deletes those before you call the police).
– Malcolm accuses people on here of being paedos or paedo enablers.

Yet what is the first thing you bozos do when someone confronts you, or like Redprovo, accuses you guys of being paedos?…that’s right….you run to the very police you accuse of covering up a satanic paedophile ring. Cowardly little hypocrites. Especially that Robert Green. A man who will give lectures and appear on tv shows calling people paedophiles. Yet, when confronted and asked questions he runs away and suddenly can’t speak.

It is also astonishing to note just how similarly these odious people behave to many actual already proven paedophiles in their vile language, ready willingness to insult and abuse and their desperation to deflect any rational discourse which could risk exposing true paedophiles, who are so like these unpleasant criminals.

They seem to delight in competing with eachother to see how obscene and abusive they can be and get away with it. They are truelly the under belly of society, those who make decent folk turn away from exposing paedophelia and abuse for fear of being tarred with the same brush as these vile social pariahs.

One is forced to wonder just howmany of them are themselves either practicing or on the verge of paedophelia – You will note they have absolutely no comprehension of just how close verbal and physical abuse are to the sexual abuse of children by such inadequates.