The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

<quoted text>God is not mocked in that His law cannot be ignored without punishment (Rom. 2:6-9). Adam and Eve tried it to their sorrow (Gen. 2:15-17; 3:6, 24). Ananias and Sapphira tried it to their death (Acts 5:1-11).God is not mocked in that He cannot be deceived (Heb. 4:12-13). Achan concealed his sin from others but God was not mocked (Josh. 7). Gehazi, Elisha's servant, tried to gain a personal profit by lying but God was not mocked (2 Kings 5:20-27). Jonah tried to run from Him but God would not be mocked.The citizen is obliged in conscience NOT to follow the directives of civil authorities when they are 'contrary' to the demands of the moral order, to the fundamental rights of persons or the teachings of the Gospel.Refusing obedience to civil authorities, when their demands are contrary to those of an upright conscience, finds its justification in the distinction between serving God & serving the 'political community'. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar''s, and to God the things that are God's (Mt.22:21)."We MUST obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29)When we citizens are under the oppression of a public authority which oversteps it's competence, we should still not refuse to give or do what is demanded of us by the common good.....but It is legitimate for us to defend our own rights & those of our fellow citizens against the 'abuse of authority' within the limits of the natural law & the Law of the Gospel.

You mean the same book that promotes genocide of non-believers including women and children ("Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and %$#." (I Samuel 15:2-3)

You mean the same book that encourages raping of women and dashing children into pieces ("Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)

You mean the same book that exalts men over women (“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression (1 Timothy 2:11-14)."

You mean the same book that commands the destruction witches thereby invoking the slaughter of 100,000 women in Europe in the Middle Ages in the Great Witch Hunt ("thou shall not suffer a witch to live (Exodus 22:18)."

I think that I have read enough to form an opinion as to the "blessings" that the bible has bestowed upon mankind. James Madison, the father of our Constitution had it right when he wrote, "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

Mark Twain had it right when he wrote: "Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion—several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight."

<quoted text>God is not mocked in that His law cannot be ignored without punishment (Rom. 2:6-9). Adam and Eve tried it to their sorrow (Gen. 2:15-17; 3:6, 24). Ananias and Sapphira tried it to their death (Acts 5:1-11).God is not mocked in that He cannot be deceived (Heb. 4:12-13). Achan concealed his sin from others but God was not mocked (Josh. 7). Gehazi, Elisha's servant, tried to gain a personal profit by lying but God was not mocked (2 Kings 5:20-27). Jonah tried to run from Him but God would not be mocked.The citizen is obliged in conscience NOT to follow the directives of civil authorities when they are 'contrary' to the demands of the moral order, to the fundamental rights of persons or the teachings of the Gospel.Refusing obedience to civil authorities, when their demands are contrary to those of an upright conscience, finds its justification in the distinction between serving God & serving the 'political community'. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar''s, and to God the things that are God's (Mt.22:21)."We MUST obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29)When we citizens are under the oppression of a public authority which oversteps it's competence, we should still not refuse to give or do what is demanded of us by the common good.....but It is legitimate for us to defend our own rights & those of our fellow citizens against the 'abuse of authority' within the limits of the natural law & the Law of the Gospel.

Ok, that's fine and dandy, but suppose that some people interpret God's word differently, or worship a different god, or even don't believe in God? Aren't they entitled to their own beliefs?

This is my beef with the religious right - instead of leaving others to make their own decisions you try to force people to follow your beliefs.

If I follow your line of thought, all Americans should be free to only follow the laws of our country that they believe works with their faith and their God. In fact, one could argue that your statement gives Muslims a right to terrorist activities because their God demands it.

The complete list of the 21 Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 includes Senators:- Hill and Sparkman of Alabama- Fulbright and McClellan of Arkansas- Holland and Smathers of Florida- Russell and Talmadge of Georgia- Ellender and Long of Louisiana- Eastland and Stennis of Mississippi- Ervin and Jordan of North Carolina- Johnston and Thurmond of South Carolina- Gore Sr. and Walters of Tennessee- H. Byrd and Robertson of Virginia- R. Byrd of West Virginia

Did you know that ALL SOUTHERN REPUBLICANS in both House and Senate voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

And did you know that a larger percentage of NORTHERN REPUBLICANS (16%) in the House voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than NORTHERN DEMORACTS (2%)?

<quoted text>Ok, that's fine and dandy, but suppose that some people interpret God's word differently, or worship a different god, or even don't believe in God? Aren't they entitled to their own beliefs?This is my beef with the religious right - instead of leaving others to make their own decisions you try to force people to follow your beliefs.If I follow your line of thought, all Americans should be free to only follow the laws of our country that they believe works with their faith and their God. In fact, one could argue that your statement gives Muslims a right to terrorist activities because their God demands it.

I agree.

What is "Christian morality"? Is it any different from Jewish morality or Buddhist morality? Is there a difference between Protestant morality and Catholic morality?

Is there a difference between the morality of one church down the street that advocates tolerance of gays and the other church across the street that advocates eternal damnation for gays?

Can morality transcend the religious sectarian's concepts of morality? Can the moral attributes of love, respect and caring for another human be of a universal concept not based on ones religion?

The difference between an atheist’s morality and a theist’s morality is that both can have the same morality except that the theist’s morality has additional burden of accepting without question the morality of the deity in the bible.

This same deity that brought destruction of enemies in the Old Testament including women and children. The same deity that caused the biblical flood that annihilated the human race except for Noah’s family. The same deity whose followers literally obeyed his commandment in Exodus 22:18 “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” by murdering 100,000 women whose only crimes were being women in the Middle Ages in Europe.

The bible also admonishes that women should be treated as inferiors to men. Case in point, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 “Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

The bible also states that a woman caused the “original sin” in Ecclesiastes 25:22 by declaring "Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die."

As such, the theist’s morality unlike the atheist’s morality has the additional burden of being fettered to a vengeful misogynic deity in the bible.

When the morality of an atheist is in conflict with the bible's command to treat women as inferiors to man and that only deity fearing christians are allowed into heaven and all others good and righteous people including children are consigned to hell then yesatheists do have a problem with christian morality.

<quoted text>You mean the same book that promotes genocide of non-believers including women and children ("Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and %$#." (I Samuel 15:2-3)You mean the same book that encourages raping of women and dashing children into pieces ("Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)You mean the same book that exalts men over women (“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression (1 Timothy 2:11-14)."You mean the same book that commands the destruction witches thereby invoking the slaughter of 100,000 women in Europe in the Middle Ages in the Great Witch Hunt ("thou shall not suffer a witch to live (Exodus 22:18)."I think that I have read enough to form an opinion as to the "blessings" that the bible has bestowed upon mankind. James Madison, the father of our Constitution had it right when he wrote, "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."Mark Twain had it right when he wrote: "Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion—several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight."

Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:"The sad part that since this is not a George Soros approved site, the Libtards will not read it much less give it any weight!!!BREAKING: Massive Voter Fraud in St. Lucie County, FloridaOn Tuesday only one precinct had less than 113% turnout.“The Unofficial vote count is 175,554 registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10%). The National SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% voter turn out, the highest in the county.”The Supervisor of Elections, Gertrude Walker, had this to say concerning the 141% voter turnout:“They may have had something like that in Palm Beach County, but we’ve never seen that here.”http://townhall.com/tipsheet/heatherginsberg/ ...<quoted text>YOU ARE THE DUNCE! EVERY COUNTY in Florida had a four-page ballot this year! EVERY COUNTY!!! Using your logic, every county should have had the same problems.Why is it that only the Libtard counties seem to be having problems? Twelve years ago it was "hanging Chads" but, again, only the Libtard counties ha hanging chads!!!"

The elections are over, the celebrations and recriminations will run their courses, and soon we will return to discussions, debates and battles over policy. The fiscal cliff looms. Sequestration comes soon. We are about to hear a lot about budgets and deficits and spending cuts, but Democrats must not allow the very political and economic dynamics that played such a key role in the party's electoral rout to be forgotten or trivialized by a misplaced focus on the false political and economic narratives that should into those dynamics be subsumed. The economic recovery appears to be real, but it is still very fragile. It is not time to play 1937 again. The focus must be on creating jobs and growing the economy. Deficits must be a lower and longer term priority. Budget cuts and deficit fever do not create jobs or grow the economy. In the latter months of 2011, the Occupy Movement changed the political and economic narrative in this country, including in Congress and by the White House. An Obama administration that had foundered during the budget and fiscal showdowns was rejuvenated as it reconnected with the Democratic Party's economic roots. By refocusing on income inequality and jobs creation, the president and Congressional Democrats were able to seize the economic narrative, both by emphasizing that the Obama stimulus had saved the economy while creating over 3 million jobs, and by drawing a clear contrast with the Republicans when attempting to pass a new jobs creating stimulus which the Republicans in Congress killed. Sometimes losing a principled legislative fight creates the opportunity for political triumph and ultimate legislative victory. But such opportunities must not be missed or such victories will be lost.

By now it should be clear to everyone that President Obama is by nature a conciliator. Every president and every presidential candidate gives lip service to the idea of working across the aisle, but when President Obama speaks it, he means it. It's part of who he is. He wants to believe the best about people, because he has the quiet confidence to believe the best about himself. He does believe that this nation is best when the sum of its disparate parts add up to a greater whole because his entire personal history has been proof that the sum of disparate parts can become a greater whole. But the people with whom President Obama wants to work, with the best intentions for the common good, do not themselves have good intentions, either toward him or the common good.

<quoted text>Is it just my imagination or is your source for everything the same; this www.westernjournalism.com .How exactly do you determine if THEY are telling the truth? Now that I know that Obama controls all media in our country, how does this site escape the despotic rule of Obama?

I get my information from many places but I like to use Western Journalism as my front source. It hasn't been wrong yet.

If you would have opened the website you would have seen some of your favorite people such as Smell O'Reily and Tingle Leg Mathews. After all I am open minded unlike some people on this thread.

In answer to your question. How do they get away with telling the truth?

<quoted text>Ok, that's fine and dandy, but suppose that some people interpret God's word differently, or worship a different god, or even don't believe in God? Aren't they entitled to their own beliefs?This is my beef with the religious right - instead of leaving others to make their own decisions you try to force people to follow your beliefs.If I follow your line of thought, all Americans should be free to only follow the laws of our country that they believe works with their faith and their God. In fact, one could argue that your statement gives Muslims a right to terrorist activities because their God demands it.

I'm trying to "enlighten" people to God's Word.NOT trying to ram it down ANYone's throat!

6.2 earthquake strikes off Guatemala's coastGUATEMALA CITY (AP)— A 6.2-magnitude earthquake shook Guatemala's Pacific coastline on Sunday, four days after a major quake killed dozens in the Central American country.People fled buildings and homes in panic in various cities along Guatemala's Pacific coastline near its border with Mexico on Sunday, but there were no immediate reports of deaths or major damages.The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake was centered 180 kilometers (112 miles) west-southwest of Guatemala City, off the country's coast, and had a depth of 29 kilometers (18 miles).Seismologists say it was the strongest aftershock yet from a 7.4-magnitude earthquake that killed 52 people in western Guatemala on Wednesday.That quake, the country's strongest in 36 years, left thousands of people without homes, electricity or water; and emotionally devastated one small town by wiping out almost an entire family.http://news.yahoo.com/6-2-earthquake-strikes-...

<quoted text>I get my information from many places but I like to use Western Journalism as my front source. It hasn't been wrong yet.If you would have opened the website you would have seen some of your favorite people such as Smell O'Reily and Tingle Leg Mathews. After all I am open minded unlike some people on this thread.In answer to your question. How do they get away with telling the truth?Answer: It's magic.

ROFLMAO!!!

You guys are great! I didn't believe that anyone could be so taken in by conspiracy theories - but I was wrong.

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