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When did Ben ever show up to work and whine? It seems to me that he's always saluted like a good soldier whether he liked what was going on or not.

Ben seems passive aggressive at times. His words and actions don't always line up. I think that's why he bugs some people. I think he tries but he comes off insincere sometimes. As an example, he'll give credit to his OLine at times where they deserve none. So you know he's always trying to say the right thing when it's not necessarily true.

So you have to take what he says with a grain of salt. It's fine. 99% of people are conditioned to not really say what's on their mind.

But on the field, you just have to look at his play to see he's not complaining. He's probably the toughest player in the league. He's a grinder. No one would work that hard on the field to be successful if he had major issues with the coaching, offense, etc.

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Nah...neither is true...just more erroneous assumptions on your part...

That's pretty funny coming from you

All Ben needed to do is quit whining and show up to work...he does that this offseason and look what happens...good things...

To which he did. All the team needed to do was respect the franchise QB and give him input.... you know, like every other team with a franchise QB does. I think your viewpoint stems from this outdated notion that no one player is on a pedestal. That the team is more important than any one player, and that all players must buy in to the franchise's philosophies without question. After all, that's how the Steelers won their first two super bowls. What too many Steelers fans seem to forget is that after failing to reach the super bowl for a few years after Lombardi #2, Noll realized the team had to evolve, had to change philosophies. Bradshaw was an established QB, and the Steel Curtain, while not bad, certainly wasn't as good as it was during the first two super bowl runs. They won their 3rd and 4th super bowls largely on Bradshaw's arm. Was anyone bitching about how that wasn't the "Steeler way" back then?

If you think a QB should just shut up and accept something he's not comfortable with because the owner says so, then the game has really passed you by.

There is nobody that I'd rather have under center than Ben...that doesn't mean that I am required to enjoy the drama that often accompanies him...

Finally, I don't have to protect Art's image...he hasn't done anything to embarrass the franchise...

You mean like when he lied about the Arians firing, or when he said discipline wasn't a problem after last year when it clearly was? Or how about the fact that ever since Dan went over to Ireland the Steelers haven't been able to get their cap in order?

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Originally Posted by Captain QB

That's pretty funny coming from you

To which he did. All the team needed to do was respect the franchise QB and give him input.... you know, like every other team with a franchise QB does. I think your viewpoint stems from this outdated notion that no one player is on a pedestal. That the team is more important than any one player, and that all players must buy in to the franchise's philosophies without question. After all, that's how the Steelers won their first two super bowls. What too many Steelers fans seem to forget is that after failing to reach the super bowl for a few years after Lombardi #2, Noll realized the team had to evolve, had to change philosophies. Bradshaw was an established QB, and the Steel Curtain, while not bad, certainly wasn't as good as it was during the first two super bowl runs. They won their 3rd and 4th super bowls largely on Bradshaw's arm. Was anyone bitching about how that wasn't the "Steeler way" back then?