If John McCain regularly attended a church and considered his priest a spiritual advisor and a member of his campaign, and his priest said the following:

Barrack Obama is not qualified to be President. He doesn't understand white America. He never grew up in a white church. He never lived as a white man. He never had the experiences of a white man. He cannot be President.

or

This is a despicable, racist country. This is a country of poison and murder. This country is no different from al Qaeda. This country faked Pearl Harbor, etc.

... then the media would be all over John McCain. Every American from every walk of life would say--even though these are not McCain's words, HOW can McCain not know that these are the views of his spiritual advisor? HOW can he not know what his preacher is preaching? HOW can he regularly associate with him and not know, and probably share, a lot of his views? And do these views belong to a candidate for the office of the most powerful person in the world?

Such statements by a close associate would DESTROY a white candidate like McCain or Giuliani.

In the case of Obama, the entire liberal media has mobilized in defense of Barack Hussein Obama in a concerted effort the likes of which has never been seen.

The same tough questions a white politicians would get are not being presented to Obama.

Obama's apologists are suggesting that, (1) white folks don't understand black churches; (2) Wright's statements are taken out of context; and (3) Not everyone in the church agrees with the preacher, and they understand that these are just statements made in church--not applicable to the real world.

No more flagant hogwash has ever been applied to a candidate to whitewash a damning association with a bigot and a lunatic.

First, imagine what would happen if a white man told the media that blacks are against his position because they just don't understand white logic. This is a justificaiton out of some lunatic Nazi party How-To manual, with notions of racial logic, or some white supremacist movement with "white logic" being superior to or different from the "logic" of other races. Yet the media allows these apologists to proffer this nonsense unchallenged, and with a straight face, PRECISELY BECAUSE the apologists are black. America has been so indoctrinated into the notion that whites are automatically racist and wrong about all issues of race that no one has the intellectual or moral wherewithal to call these apologists evil liars to their faces. We are entering an era of a hell built with the bricks and mortar of multiculturalism and unearned white guilt.

Second, large swaths of Wright's speeches are generally available. This is not a single sentence or a short paragraph taken out of context. To Wright, Pearl Harbor was a conspiracy. The slave traders of 150 years ago are equivalent to the America of today. Every mistake ever made by this country is its defining principle--not freedom, justice, opportunity unmatched by any other nation in human history. Conspiracies against blacks are omnipresent. In short, if Wright were any other color, he would be unequivocally identified as the America-hating [enter ethnicity here]-supremacist--and utter crackpot--that he is. No one is misquoting him. No one is putting his words in a different context. His statements are what they are--bile-filled calls to action against all Americans who are not black. Again, reverse the color. If a white man made such proclamations, he would be immediately branded a dangerous supporter of hate crime, and a scary lunatic. Instead, Wright enjoys a high position in the black community. It does not matter that this man may once have been a Marine--he is as perverted and racist as they come. Not based on unfounded character assassination--but based on his own words. Despicable.

Third, it defies belief that Wright supporters and Obama apologists expect anyone to fall for the idea that Wright's lunatic diatribes are meant to be forgotten the moment they are uttered, are not to be taken seriously--they are just church-talk. Listen to the passion in his voice, and the large congregation he ministers to--he has drunk the Kool-Aid and is serving it to people by the hundreds and thousands. This guy is demented, and his message is one of pure, unadulterated evil and hatred. Whites are the source of all evil to this man. When Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, it was just words. But remember what Hitler did when he came to power--exactly what he said he would do. Wright is a proponent, not of a color-blind free country, but of a black-dominated, black-run, black-preferred country. Not a country for all, but a country for blacks, and a country where non-blacks, particularly whites, are punished for their skin color--because of the alleged sins of great grandfathers who were not even in the country at the time of slavery. THIS man is a role model, a preacher of the word of a Christian God, an advisor? And advisor of what? Hatred and destruction?

Yes, there was slavery. Yes, there was and is racism. And yes, even with all of that, a black man can be twisted, racist and evil. Wright is concrete proof.

As disgusting as Wright and his lunacy is, it is even more disgusting the extent to which mainstream media allows Barack Hussein Obama's apologists to spew their specious and false defense of the indefensible, unchallenged, all over the air waves. Geraldine Ferraro had it right--it IS because Hussein is black that he is getting this treatment.

I congratulate you for that! You must be very proud young man. I just hope that modern inverse racists (black and white) won't spoil you with their affirmative actions, empowerment programs, philosophy of entitlement and reparations for historical injustices of last 300 years. However you will do much better when you finally understand that I'm for you but Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright are not. Fuck them!

"I can think of only one country where black racism is practiced against whites and that is Mugabe's Zimbabwe."

You are wrong, Morris. Mugabe practices racism first of all against blacks. There are black people who are starve and die at age of 35 in Zimbabwe, not whites. There are blacks who escape en mass to "racist" South Africa -about 3 million of them. I wonder where they will escape when South Africa will become second Zimbabwe. You see, Morris, racism is paradoxically colour-blind; it affects every one, black and white. Ask yourself, do you want to be affirmative doctor, pilot, businessman? Are you seeking achievement or handouts? Affirmative action and black economic empowerment programs is racism which is practiced against blacks in America, South Africa, Zimbabwe ,Europe, UK and in many other places. The damage which this racism causes is much bigger then "old-fashion" racial hatred.

Once again, fucking good to have you on SOLO! Here on SOLO, we agree and disagree but on the whole we ARE the solution to the racist problem; we are the individuals enlightening each other one at a time until the generation after us by and large rejects racism for the repulsive collectivist tribal bullshit that it is (state sponsored or otherwise)!

"The irony in all of this is that we are about a generation away from
getting past alot of this, but it is the old BLACK guys who
legitimately had to fight for rights to get us to this point that have
to keep preaching the hate to hold onto their flocks and keep earning
their money."

But cut out the "my brother" and "white folks" bullshit because that treating-people-as-your-enemy-or-ally stuff based on their skin color is not going to fly here. Just one example of black racism. You might not like it, but I am your brother--because we are both human beings.

You might be interested to check out crime statistics which show that the overwhelming majority of violent crime is black on black, THEN black on white, white on white, and then, last on the list, white on black, in a number, if memory serves, that is a very, very small fraction of the others.

Obama is a step away from being President. African Americans hold prominent positions all throughout the government, especially here in Chicago. Dorothy Brown is our Clerk of Court and has done a nice job of creating computer access to the Court's computer system and generally updating the system. African Americans are doing very well in sports, entertainment, business, politics and white racism against African Americans in America is at an all-time low. That's not to say things are perfect. But it cannot be credibly denied that overt racism against blacks is not "popular" or accepted. The old men and women who still hold such ideas are falling out of power, and are dying out. Power is being claimed by African Americans. But there are an awful lot of African Americans, fueled by guys like Wright, that have an utterly distorted view of history, and what the defining characteristics of this country are. Any act or statement by a white regarding a black is presumed to be racist--in reverse, it is accepted, paradoxically, due to racism. If a white preacher said about blacks what Wright has said over, and over, and over, and over about whites, the whites would have left his church, his nonsense would have been reported in the media and his career would be over. Instead, we have people who are defending such a distorted view and a majority acquiesces unquestioningly.

The irony in all of this is that we are about a generation away from getting past alot of this, but it is the old BLACK guys who legitimately had to fight for rights to get us to this point that have to keep preaching the hate to hold onto their flocks and keep earning their money.

Scott DeSalvo

Whether you think you can, or think you cannot, you're probably right!!

It's not so much what the racism of African-Americans does to whites -- of course -- but to the African-American himself.

Rev. Wright is a classic case in point.

In such cases, the perp's "power" over the victim is 100% and totally unseen. In Wright's case, plenty of his hatred is directed to whites as a race, but the first folks fully crippled by this are those who buy into it.

And the devastation this kind of racism leaves can every bit as deadly and/or impoverishing.

Of course there are isolated individual incidents of black racism against whites, though they are rare. However, systemic racism is almost exclusively white against black, with the exception of Zimbabwe and to a lesser extant, South Africa.

The problem is power, full stop - don't be worrying about the race or the sex of the power holders: to take that line you always end up your enemy, and will turn from slave to enslaver. As an Objectivist Libertarian, I want to live in a society where, so long as I do not initiate force on anyone else, no one has any power over myself, and I am free to do as I like, in privacy. A society in which I, alone, own my life, no one else.

I believe the way you are thinking, here, on all your posts so far, you have the potential to be my enemy, as much as the racists, as much as the socialists, for I would not trust you, from your words, to pull a Zimbabwe or a South Afica on me, were you to gain power.

Example, in your post you said: while these white folks lecture us on racism

These 'white folks' - see, collectivist bullshit. You just lumped me in with every white folk on this forum and then proceeded as if you knew what I, Mark Hubbard, thought. Well that pisses me off. If you look at the threads here, you will see that I have huge disagreements with many here ...

[At this point I just read your PM Morris Damn, I was just getting on a roll ...]

The deal then, we drop all the collectivist dross, and work in our minds toward a society where we both can be free and own our lives.

It's a great place, SOLO, with a lot of passion, so expect to get your arse kicked lots And welcome on board, I reckon you'll like it here.

Racism is a form of heinous collectivism, and repugnant no matter who it is practised by, and it can, and certainly is, practised by members of all racial groups.

Yes?

Also, I appreciate the plain speaking of a position. I cannot glean from your posts what your position truly is, other than constant intimations toward some type of retarded chip on the shoulder collectivism. You might try giving us a clear line of argument, so we can respond, and learn. Or turn aside in distaste.

Brother Jeremiah, while these white folks lecture us on racism, let's remember the powerful beauty of Claude Mc Kay and rejoice in our ambivalence of America.
America
CLAUDE MC KAY
Although she feeds me bread of bitterness,
And sinks into my throat her tiger's tooth,
Stealing my breath of life, I will confess
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth!
Her vigor flows like tides into my blood,
giving me strength erect against her hate.
Her bigness sweeps my being like a flood.
Yet as a rebel fronts a king in state,
I stand within her walls not a shred
Of terror, malice, not a word of jeer.
Darkly I gaze into the days ahead,
And see her might and granite wonders there,
Beneath the touch of Time's unerring hand,
Like priceless treasures sinking in the sand.

Malcolm, (and I feel like I can call you Malcolm, since one of your students is my mentor) I would have assumed you had a better vantage point from where you may be to be able to see that SOLO-ists by and large are not 'rigthists' fawning over Republican candidates, and are equally critical of racism from ANY candidate, McCain included. Like Mr. Valliant, I will NOT be voting for John McCain, and any ties Mr. McCain has to racist idiots would only deepen my convictions against him.

I agree with your evaluations of both Hagee and Robertson, Mr. X. Moreover, I have no intention of voting for McCain.

However, I do not believe that these men are sources for book titles and themes by Senator McCain -- nor do I think that McCain takes his kids to listen to them most Sundays -- nor do I believe he regularly contributes money to those guys -- nor has his wife said something which echoes their worst sentiments, like Mrs. Obama has echoed Rev. Wright's irrational hatred...

Mr. DeSalvo: "If John McCain regularly attended a church and considered his priest
a spiritual advisor and a member of his campaign, and his priest said
the following:

Barrack Obama is not qualified to be President. He doesn't
understand white America. He never grew up in a white church. He never
lived as a white man. He never had the experiences of a white man. He
cannot be President.

or

This is a despicable, racist country. This is a country of poison
and murder. This country is no different from al Qaeda. This country
faked Pearl Harbor, etc.

... then the media would be all over John McCain. Every American
from every walk of life would say--even though these are not McCain's
words, HOW can McCain not know that these are the views of his
spiritual advisor? HOW can he not know what his preacher is preaching?
HOW can he regularly associate with him and not know, and probably
share, a lot of his views? And do these views belong to a candidate for
the office of the most powerful person in the world?

Such statements by a close associate would DESTROY a white candidate like McCain or Giuliani."

Oh yeah, the "entire liberal media" has been all over John McCain over his relationship with the right racist redneck religious nutcase John Hagee. And the idiot Pat Robertson?

And a good opportunity for a follow-up release on the sheer idiocy of racism, reverse or otherwise! One of Ayn Rand's best writings was on the subject of racism, and clearly Americans need a refresher of what racism really is and why it is evil no matter where it comes from.

"The anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races,"

Oh this is goooood, I see what he's done here... "He's angry yes, and he's said some bad things yes, but there's a reason he's angry and if you don't like what he said then you're obviously trying to deny/ignore racial history in the US (and you're probably racist)."

Gee, like you said Scott, I don't think that same effort to "understand" would be extended to a "spiritual advisor" of McCain's.

Except there'll be another, who will prevail. Obama's appeal was to airhead wannabe groupies who had absolutely no idea what he stood for and absolutely no idea about anything. These are the children of our times. I fear this is the last election in which these morons won't determine the outcome. McCain will be the last "traditional" president. From 2012 it'll be "cool" rock star types who stand for nothing—meaning they'll let anything happen. The inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will give way not to Christian or Islamist theocracy but something far more banal: a contentless mobocracy in which no one says anything meaningful for fear of offending ... well, someone. And then one of the theocracies or some secular equivalent will be able to take over by default, protected by "sensitivity" protocols.

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