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If there was a true free market there would be no need for sfp, but people would have to pay the true rate of the food they eat, people will moan if a pint of milk cost £3 but think nothing of paying £5 for beer, food is now at it cheapest ever in relation to what people spend on other good.

If there was a true free market there would be no need for sfp, but people would have to pay the true rate of the food they eat, people will moan if a pint of milk cost £3 but think nothing of paying £5 for beer, food is now at it cheapest ever in relation to what people spend on other good.

Ah Taff the bigger picture mmmmm.

Well it's another tax on the population, that again only the people that work pay for, to be honest if they were to do away with all the benefits, that the lazy element get ,then with everyone back in work not draining the resources we may just be able to pay the correct prices of having quality produce .

Then in the same context the single farm payment is give to small holders that don't have and livestock WHY or only have a couple of sheep or a horse, pony these people are not farmers ,they kid thereselves on they are .wearing a pair of mucks boots and a flat cap .

And to my final gripe... the first three had my neighbours think me odd, btw... The deal is open ended, farmers sign up to rules which they MUST obey to gain the payments, on pain of serious penalty for any, even minor, default... but those rules which bind them are able to be "renegotiated" at will by our government... that's not a good deal on anyone's terms and my neighbours now hate how they are hamstrung by the agreements they made which is constantly changing and leaving them worse and worse off... Not so odd now, I can run my land as I please, within the law and do not fear any knock at the door and spot inspection which might reveal three sheep have lost their eartags and so I must lose 25% of that year's margin to live on. Who can live with that sort of threat... every SFP claimant has to. The truth is we manage just fine "outside" of SFP though I have to admit it is a challenge, but not impossible.

Incidentally my benefit claiming neighbour claims every penny of his SFP entitlement, but I guess you'd expect that, on his 7 acres "Farm".

Tamus the problem you have is even though you don,t collect your sfp you still have to abide by the rules, if your sheep don,t have tags you will be fined
As to who else gets paid to obey the law well not many,that's why we have no industry left in this country and Europe.
Ws if you have just horses you cannot claim sfp
Sfp was forced through mainly by the French where every one is a farmer, farming is possible without susidys but if you want to be able to walk where you like, tell us you can,t do this you can,t do that then the tax payer has to pay for it.

Tamus the problem you have is even though you don,t collect your sfp you still have to abide by the rules, if your sheep don,t have tags you will be fined
As to who else gets paid to obey the law well not many,that's why we have no industry left in this country and Europe.
Ws if you have just horses you cannot claim sfp
Sfp was forced through mainly by the French where every one is a farmer, farming is possible without susidys but if you want to be able to walk where you like, tell us you can,t do this you can,t do that then the tax payer has to pay for it.

Well, all stock I own is correctly tagged, always!

But, that aside, the only fine realistically imposable in the scenario I suggested above is the removal of SFP + Penalty.