Epic PvP Magic Poll

Epic PvP: Magic will launch in about a week. After hearing all the positive reviews on the awesome box, we've decided to do it again. This will definitely raise the cost of our Kickstarter (that box is crazy expensive to make). As a backer, you already have a box though, and if you don't sleeve, you have a good bit of room left.

How do you all feel about us launching a "box-less" version of the product in the Kickstarter? This would be all the contents of the game, stretch-goals, exclusives, etc... shrink-wrapped to a board for safe shipping. If we hit every stretch goal in our plan, and you don't use sleeves, all of Epic PvP: Fantasy and Magic should fit in one awesome box.

This would allow us to keep the price down to ~$41 for no-box and the awesome box version would run about $52/53. Part of me thinks this is a great idea, and part of me thinks that I'm over thinking. Good idea? Bad idea? I'm really interested in what you all think. Can you comment below with "good idea" if you want us to do it or "bad idea" if you think we should be more consistent and only offer the Awesome Box version. I should note that due to a lot of requests, we ARE looking into offering a small number of empty boxes ($~24 with different art on it) for folks who want to use the box for their MtG or other card games.

Don - We had a few (maybe 20-25) reported issues on that middle shelf. We're talking with the printer to make sure they use stronger glue next time, but 20-25 out of 3500 seems like a pretty normal fail rate.

mLiNY - we're going to do new art, same design. AEG is probably not going to do the product at retail this time (not sure yet, but if they don't, we certainly will!). We had a great time working with AEG, but they are getting laser focused on their internal designs - which I totally respect. You can see their improved focus lately with releases like Mystic Vale (great game, amazing marketing/support), and others. The definition of "focus" to me is saying "no" to guaranteed money (which PvP is), to focus all your efforts on a fewer releases. More companies could learn this lesson IMO.

Superbacker

Alittle late getting to this but whatever the decision is I want the box even though I have the first. Just cause of how awesome it was and I can always use it for whatever. Plus even though the 1st box was said to be big enough to hold expansions Magic is supposed to be standalone. From what I believe was said in the past that Magic could be standalone or played with Fantasy, but that Fantasy would still have it's own expansions. So if that's the case and both Fantasy and Magic will have their own separate expansions in the future then you will be needing a second box anyway. One for Fantasy and it's expansions, and one for Magic's.

Superbacker

If the box is going to be the same as the one from the first Kickstarter, I think it should definitely be an option. However, I think it would be nice to also have a "box-less" option for backers who already have a box and would just like to fill it up. :)

I use perfect fit sleeves which don't take up hardly any space. Boxless would be preferred for me. As it is, I had to cut up some foam to put in there because there was so much extra space that the cards would fall over.

Superbacker

All of my cards are going in a single box if possible, so a boxless option would be good! No need for two half-empty boxes sitting there.

The cover on my box would have been better if the "wrap" didn't start/end on the EDGE of the top where it is starting to peel from just a few (less than 6) uses. The edge of the paper just happens to be right where my fingers grab the box when I lift it off the table and such. Just a recommendation for the next batch you create. Better glue/edging, stronger materials, not sure what would help. I'm a little disappointed that my box is already coming unraveled.

Superbacker

I would love to have the expansion without a box option...but I might end up getting the boxed edition anyways. Maybe if you made card stock dividers available PnP that could free up some space? I love the cardboard character cards, but I don't think it's necessary to have them that thick. How many additional cards are we looking at, because my box looks half full.

Superbacker

Just curious... I have the original sleeved in penny sleeves, which aren't very thick. There's no way both would fit sleeved? We play card games too much to not sleeve them. If there's no way they'd fit, then I guess I'd need the extra box, but I would much prefer it to all fit in one box.