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Police to look into Brighton University report on kettling at protests

Serf says...8:34pm Fri 25 Jan 13

If protests are peaceful then the police should not use the kettling procedure. If this procedure is used without good cause then freedom of speech is at risk. Before I am accused of being a member of the great unwashed and benefit scrounger, I will put this straight. I am 67 years of age. I have worked hard all my life. I have been in the army and also spent 5 years in the Kent Police. I do not always agree with protesters, but I do believe in free speech. Without this we do not have a democracy.

If protests are peaceful then the police should not use the kettling procedure. If this procedure is used without good cause then freedom of speech is at risk.
Before I am accused of being a member of the great unwashed and benefit scrounger, I will put this straight. I am 67 years of age. I have worked hard all my life. I have been in the army and also spent 5 years in the Kent Police. I do not always agree with protesters, but I do believe in free speech. Without this we do not have a democracy.Serf

If protests are peaceful then the police should not use the kettling procedure. If this procedure is used without good cause then freedom of speech is at risk. Before I am accused of being a member of the great unwashed and benefit scrounger, I will put this straight. I am 67 years of age. I have worked hard all my life. I have been in the army and also spent 5 years in the Kent Police. I do not always agree with protesters, but I do believe in free speech. Without this we do not have a democracy.

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Somethingsarejustwrong says...8:49pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Agree and conversely if they are not peaceful the again kettling should not be used;instead water cannon and truncheons would seem appropriate

Agree and conversely if they are not peaceful the again kettling should not be used;instead water cannon and truncheons would seem appropriateSomethingsarejustwrong

Agree and conversely if they are not peaceful the again kettling should not be used;instead water cannon and truncheons would seem appropriate

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Martha Gunn says...10:02pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Kettling - yet another neologism without meaning, content or explanation. But by repeating it constantly opponents of the police hope it will take root. Cocking's research seems to be rather more robust than some of the other rubbish about student demonstrations that has emerged from the University of Brighton. But still reverts to the invention of 'kettling'.

Kettling - yet another neologism without meaning, content or explanation. But by repeating it constantly opponents of the police hope it will take root.
Cocking's research seems to be rather more robust than some of the other rubbish about student demonstrations that has emerged from the University of Brighton. But still reverts to the invention of 'kettling'.Martha Gunn

Kettling - yet another neologism without meaning, content or explanation. But by repeating it constantly opponents of the police hope it will take root. Cocking's research seems to be rather more robust than some of the other rubbish about student demonstrations that has emerged from the University of Brighton. But still reverts to the invention of 'kettling'.

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greenpaws says...11:23pm Fri 25 Jan 13

The police say they want a "non surprises" approach. It is not for the police to decide what form a protest should take, but to ensure we are all safe. People have a right to be surprising. The police should keep the peace and stop asking for plans in advances to then try and get someone to take legal responsibility. It should not be about individuals but groups of people coming out to be heard. The people are the last bastion of democracy against corrupt governance and all in the country should be held to account, and if it takes the people to do that and not the government, then so be it.

The police say they want a "non surprises" approach. It is not for the police to decide what form a protest should take, but to ensure we are all safe.
People have a right to be surprising. The police should keep the peace and stop asking for plans in advances to then try and get someone to take legal responsibility.
It should not be about individuals but groups of people coming out to be heard.
The people are the last bastion of democracy against corrupt governance and all in the country should be held to account, and if it takes the people to do that and not the government, then so be it.greenpaws

The police say they want a "non surprises" approach. It is not for the police to decide what form a protest should take, but to ensure we are all safe. People have a right to be surprising. The police should keep the peace and stop asking for plans in advances to then try and get someone to take legal responsibility. It should not be about individuals but groups of people coming out to be heard. The people are the last bastion of democracy against corrupt governance and all in the country should be held to account, and if it takes the people to do that and not the government, then so be it.

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PorkBoat says...12:16am Sat 26 Jan 13

Turn the hoses on them!

Turn the hoses on them!PorkBoat

Turn the hoses on them!

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Martha Gunn says...12:37am Sat 26 Jan 13

greenpaws wrote…

The police say they want a "non surprises" approach. It is not for the police to decide what form a protest should take, but to ensure we are all safe. People have a right to be surprising. The police should keep the peace and stop asking for plans in advances to then try and get someone to take legal responsibility. It should not be about individuals but groups of people coming out to be heard. The people are the last bastion of democracy against corrupt governance and all in the country should be held to account, and if it takes the people to do that and not the government, then so be it.

Any chance of this comment being available in translation to English in the near future? The Paws Person is clearly afflicted with Greenspeak and needs an interpreter. We must keep constantly vigilant in order to combat Greenthink and its instrument Greenspeak. Down with Big Green KitBrother!

[quote][p][bold]greenpaws[/bold] wrote:
The police say they want a "non surprises" approach. It is not for the police to decide what form a protest should take, but to ensure we are all safe.
People have a right to be surprising. The police should keep the peace and stop asking for plans in advances to then try and get someone to take legal responsibility.
It should not be about individuals but groups of people coming out to be heard.
The people are the last bastion of democracy against corrupt governance and all in the country should be held to account, and if it takes the people to do that and not the government, then so be it.[/p][/quote]Any chance of this comment being available in translation to English in the near future? The Paws Person is clearly afflicted with Greenspeak and needs an interpreter.
We must keep constantly vigilant in order to combat Greenthink and its instrument Greenspeak. Down with Big Green KitBrother!Martha Gunn

greenpaws wrote…

The police say they want a "non surprises" approach. It is not for the police to decide what form a protest should take, but to ensure we are all safe. People have a right to be surprising. The police should keep the peace and stop asking for plans in advances to then try and get someone to take legal responsibility. It should not be about individuals but groups of people coming out to be heard. The people are the last bastion of democracy against corrupt governance and all in the country should be held to account, and if it takes the people to do that and not the government, then so be it.

Any chance of this comment being available in translation to English in the near future? The Paws Person is clearly afflicted with Greenspeak and needs an interpreter. We must keep constantly vigilant in order to combat Greenthink and its instrument Greenspeak. Down with Big Green KitBrother!

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chris cocking says...4:06pm Sun 27 Jan 13

As the author of the article that is mentioned in this story, I would like to point out that I was not contacted by the Argus before the story appeared in print and want to make a few corrections and/or clarifications about my research. I would be grateful if the Argus could acknowledge these mistakes. 1) My research looked at people who had experienced police charges (either on horseback or foot), and not 'kettling' as stated in the article, (which has similar psychological effects to charges, but has been looked at in previous academic research). 2) The story implies that I worked with Sussex police to do this research, which is untrue. I had no contact with Sussex Police when conducting the research, and have never met the officer named in the story (Chief Inspector Bartlett). I think there has been some confusion with my research and another academic (Professor Cliff Stott) who advised Sussex Police in their implementation of the Police Liaison Officers that CI Bartlett refers to. A link to the article covered in the story, and to my web-log (which looks at my research into crowd behaviour in general) follow below; Chris Cocking, University of Brighton http://onlinelibrary .wiley.com/doi/10.10 02/jip.1389/abstract http://dontpaniccorr ectingmythsaboutthec rowd.blogspot.co.uk/

As the author of the article that is mentioned in this story, I would like to point out that I was not contacted by the Argus before the story appeared in print and want to make a few corrections and/or clarifications about my research. I would be grateful if the Argus could acknowledge these mistakes.
1) My research looked at people who had experienced police charges (either on horseback or foot), and not 'kettling' as stated in the article, (which has similar psychological effects to charges, but has been looked at in previous academic research).
2) The story implies that I worked with Sussex police to do this research, which is untrue. I had no contact with Sussex Police when conducting the research, and have never met the officer named in the story (Chief Inspector Bartlett). I think there has been some confusion with my research and another academic (Professor Cliff Stott) who advised Sussex Police in their implementation of the Police Liaison Officers that CI Bartlett refers to.
A link to the article covered in the story, and to my web-log (which looks at my research into crowd behaviour in general) follow below;
Chris Cocking,
University of Brighton
http://onlinelibrary
.wiley.com/doi/10.10
02/jip.1389/abstract
http://dontpaniccorr
ectingmythsaboutthec
rowd.blogspot.co.uk/chris cocking

As the author of the article that is mentioned in this story, I would like to point out that I was not contacted by the Argus before the story appeared in print and want to make a few corrections and/or clarifications about my research. I would be grateful if the Argus could acknowledge these mistakes. 1) My research looked at people who had experienced police charges (either on horseback or foot), and not 'kettling' as stated in the article, (which has similar psychological effects to charges, but has been looked at in previous academic research). 2) The story implies that I worked with Sussex police to do this research, which is untrue. I had no contact with Sussex Police when conducting the research, and have never met the officer named in the story (Chief Inspector Bartlett). I think there has been some confusion with my research and another academic (Professor Cliff Stott) who advised Sussex Police in their implementation of the Police Liaison Officers that CI Bartlett refers to. A link to the article covered in the story, and to my web-log (which looks at my research into crowd behaviour in general) follow below; Chris Cocking, University of Brighton http://onlinelibrary .wiley.com/doi/10.10 02/jip.1389/abstract http://dontpaniccorr ectingmythsaboutthec rowd.blogspot.co.uk/

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