Re: Grant Hill shakes the pants off of Scottie Pippen and Dunks on him

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Originally Posted by Money 23

Absolutely, good post.

Pippen was really the prototype for that point forward position.

Hill would've been the evolutionary link between Pip and the finalized EPITOME final product, LeBron James ... much the way Julius Erving was the evolutionary link between Michael Thompson, and the EPITOME final product, Michael Jordan.

Statistically he was just hitting his peak before he got that ankle injury too. It's sad we missed out on two generational defining players from the 90's Hill and Penny because of injury.

Not to mention Len Bias

90s really suffered from a dearth of talent in swingman position cause of those injuries and Len's death.

and the 2 most talented wing players played on the same team... all parts and parcel of the MJ legend

Re: Grant Hill shakes the pants off of Scottie Pippen and Dunks on him

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Originally Posted by Money 23

Absolutely, good post.

Pippen was really the prototype for that point forward position.

Hill would've been the evolutionary link between Pip and the finalized EPITOME final product, LeBron James ... much the way Julius Erving was the evolutionary link between Michael Thompson, and the EPITOME final product, Michael Jordan.

Statistically he was just hitting his peak before he got that ankle injury too. It's sad we missed out on two generational defining players from the 90's Hill and Penny because of injury.

Penny falls into that category as well. I think if Penny would have stayed at PG in particular, he would have redefined that spot. Sure Magic at 6'9 really did epic shit. But Penny at 6'7 and a freakish athlete would have brought things to the table that would have redefined PG. Penny at the SG and healthy had the ability to be a top 10 GOAT SG minimum as well. But I think Penny at PG would have flat out redefined PG. I realize MJ played point at times as well as Pippen. But Penny came in the L groomed to be a PG, and had that sixth sense for passing that other big perimeter players like Bird, Magic, and Lebron had. As great of passers that MJ and Pippen were, I put them a hair or two behind guys like Penny, Bron, Magic, or Bird. MJ and Pip had similar assist numbers to guys like Bird, Penny, and Bron, but the tiebreaker for me is the flair and sixth sense it seemed Penny had.

Re: Grant Hill shakes the pants off of Scottie Pippen and Dunks on him

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Originally Posted by imdaman99

Hill undressed the shit outa Pip there

As great of a defender that Pippen was, he had his most trouble with athletic slashers such as Hill and Nique. Those two in particular standout to me when giving Pippen big time trouble, even though Pip still defended them well and in turn gave them their toughest challenges. I would have loved to see a prime Pippen battle a prime Bird. They never had the chance, but I think Bird's size and shooting ability would have given Pippen an interesting challenge as well in a different light.

Re: Grant Hill shakes the pants off of Scottie Pippen and Dunks on him

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Originally Posted by Money 23

Absolutely, good post.

Pippen was really the prototype for that point forward position.

Hill would've been the evolutionary link between Pip and the finalized EPITOME final product, LeBron James ... much the way Julius Erving was the evolutionary link between Michael Thompson, and the EPITOME final product, Michael Jordan.

Statistically he was just hitting his peak before he got that ankle injury too. It's sad we missed out on two generational defining players from the 90's Hill and Penny because of injury.

Hill was a massive loss for the NBA. It did appear as though he was just hitting his stride. Had a been on an elite team and still been in his prime it would have made for great theater.

Re: Grant Hill shakes the pants off of Scottie Pippen and Dunks on him

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Originally Posted by bizil

As great of a defender that Pippen was, he had his most trouble with athletic slashers such as Hill and Nique. Those two in particular standout to me when giving Pippen big time trouble, even though Pip still defended them well and in turn gave them their toughest challenges. I would have loved to see a prime Pippen battle a prime Bird. They never had the chance, but I think Bird's size and shooting ability would have given Pippen an interesting challenge as well in a different light.

Re: Grant Hill shakes the pants off of Scottie Pippen and Dunks on him

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Originally Posted by Money 23

Yes? How can anyone not ... or specifically how can YOU not?

Sometimes I really wonder about you. Are you just contrarian for the sake of it? Or just flat out dumb? You claim to act like you know soooo much about ball, too. Even going to extents of creating your own thread discussing your views about the game.

You suck at it ... always have. I still remember you claiming Iverson didn't have handle, Beasely would be better than Rose (how is that working for ya?)

And now acting like this clip isn't SUPERB proof of a 35 year old man, playing utterly BEASTLY lock down defense?

Had nothing to do with court spacing. Look at MJ quickly and viciously fighting through a pick, and putting Grant Hill in a straight jacket.

Bad spacing? He had an ENTIRE side of the floor to operate and couldn't shake free of Jordan. Just STFU and KO yourself.

To be fair, Randy Brown did leave his man twice in an effort to help. Im sure that was by design. And that was excellent man defense from Jordan, but he didnt lock him down on his own.

Re: Grant Hill shakes the pants off of Scottie Pippen and Dunks on him

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Originally Posted by Money 23

Absolutely, good post.

Pippen was really the prototype for that point forward position.

Hill would've been the evolutionary link between Pip and the finalized EPITOME final product, LeBron James ... much the way Julius Erving was the evolutionary link between Michael Thompson, and the EPITOME final product, Michael Jordan.

Statistically he was just hitting his peak before he got that ankle injury too. It's sad we missed out on two generational defining players from the 90's Hill and Penny because of injury.

good post but i would suggest there is no such thing as a final product.