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The U.S. Department of Transportation has analyzed dozens of data recorders from Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in accidents blamed on sudden acceleration and found that the throttles were wide open and the brakes weren't engaged at the time of the crash, people familiar with the findings said.

The early results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyotas and Lexuses surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator when they intended to jam on the brakes.

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Lo there do I see my mother.
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Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
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Why are people stupid for buying a toyota? Why is it stupid to buy a vehicle that is highly reliable and holds value?

Wait, its probably because your comparing it to your car. Cuz a 92 325 is a million times better than a new toyota!

Lol.. I like Toyota. The hospital in Oshawa was putting in a new bus shelter and it fell on top of my mom's old 87' Corolla and it had a sunroof. Didn't leak or anything and you could see how the roof had a line from top to back due to the hard impact. Payout was 4grand to get it fixed from the hospital and we never got it fixed lol. Not to mention that car had ridiculous mileage. 700k before my parents went to a mini-van only because it needed a water pump and rad and my dad didn't want to turn a wrench on it anymore. I would buy a Toyota if they made a sick rwd car that doesn't cost me a arm and a leg

funny how everything got hushed up the last little while and now its the driver's fault.

The only confirmed case is where the highway patrolman died, which I find rediculous. He's supposed to tell us how to drive yet didn't know how to react to an emergency situation. I had a similar throttle-stock-open situation in my uncle's mazda 3 due to shitty floor mats, what did I do? I just pulled the floor mat out from under the pedal by dragging my heal backwards on the mat. Easy.

Why are people stupid for buying a toyota? Why is it stupid to buy a vehicle that is highly reliable and holds value?

Wait, its probably because your comparing it to your car. Cuz a 92 325 is a million times better than a new toyota!

Well for one, my 92 used to drive better (don't have it any more, now i got a 98 318is) than both a 2004 Rav4 and a 2007 Camry SE (drove both, both were my ex-gfs) and they were terrible, even when they were brand spanking new, they felt cheap, and the transmissions are re-****ing-tarded. Not enjoyable at all. Trunk space was nice in the Camry though (but of course that is my top priority when buying a car). Mind you, the camry was over 35K to the door... Listen, you wana get your panties in a bunch because of what I said, by all means, old toyota's were great cars, no doubt about that, but the new ones are bad for the price that you are expected to pay. Buy a hundai if you really don't care about build quality. You'll pay 1/2 the price and get the same quality car. I would recon that could be classified as stupid. Wana call it an isolated incident, sure why not, but it will not change my mind, they are bad cars and I would never buy one. Would I want an old MR2, or a GT4 celica, **** yah, anything new that they make? **** NO!

At the end of the day, ask yourself, would you pay $35,000 for a Camry?

Well for one, my 92 used to drive better (don't have it any more, now i got a 98 318is) than both a 2004 Rav4 and a 2007 Camry SE (drove both, both were my ex-gfs) and they were terrible, even when they were brand spanking new, they felt cheap, and the transmissions are re-****ing-tarded. Not enjoyable at all. Trunk space was nice in the Camry though (but of course that is my top priority when buying a car). Mind you, the camry was over 35K to the door... Listen, you wana get your panties in a bunch because of what I said, by all means, old toyota's were great cars, no doubt about that, but the new ones are bad for the price that you are expected to pay. Buy a hundai if you really don't care about build quality. You'll pay 1/2 the price and get the same quality car. I would recon that could be classified as stupid. Wana call it an isolated incident, sure why not, but it will not change my mind, they are bad cars and I would never buy one. Would I want an old MR2, or a GT4 celica, **** yah, anything new that they make? **** NO!

At the end of the day, ask yourself, would you pay $35,000 for a Camry?

The fact that your comparing an MR2 to a camry itself makes no sense. Of course a camry is 0 fun to drive. Thats not its purpose. Its suppose to be a reliable family sedan. My parents have had 2 camrys and my best friend has nothing but toyota. My parent's first one was traded into the dealer for the new one with over 400k on it, with original everything, except regular maintenance items. The new ones aren't as bulletproof as the old ones, but still great cars and do what they are intended to do very well. I don't see how you feel the camry has a cheap feel. My parents XLE is fully appointed and has great fit and finish.

Why are people stupid for buying a toyota? Why is it stupid to buy a vehicle that is highly reliable and holds value?

Wait, its probably because your comparing it to your car. Cuz a 92 325 is a million times better than a new toyota!

Toyota is a pile of garbage, the quality is sub par and its solely an appliance, having no soul what so ever. From ugly cheap plastics, to wobbly door panels, trims that don't stay on, uneven panel gaps all over and generally misfitted interiors ( perhaps this is the ontario plant's fault?) It is a over hyped product and in base model trim so barren and sub par it cant even live up to its own reputation. Mechanicals are splendid too, valve ticking which in most cases is a sign of premature cam failure ( there is even a recall for this)

Toyota is a pile of garbage, the quality is sub par and its solely an appliance, having no soul what so ever. From ugly cheap plastics, to wobbly door panels, trims that don't stay on, uneven panel gaps all over and generally misfitted interiors ( perhaps this is the ontario plant's fault?) It is a over hyped product and in base model trim so barren and sub par it cant even live up to its own reputation. Mechanicals are splendid too, valve ticking which in most cases is a sign of premature cam failure ( there is even a recall for this)

Sorry, truth. Don't be such a fanboy.

And what is the basis of your comments? All toyotas I have seen have been well put together. The fit and finish of all the toyotas I have seen( and I have seen many, many toyotas) has been great. Is the base model cheap and plastic, yes, that is why its a base model! Is a BMW base model nicer? Yes, but base price is $40k. Makes it easy to make a nice base model when your charging that much. As for engine issues, yes they have had some, but they have also corrected them. Of course your BMWs don't have any of these issues, right? I mean the fact that you have two replace window regulators every two blocks is perfectly acceptable, right?

We have to be realistic and note the good and bad of every car regardless of whether we like it or not. I do that, you don't. Therefore, your the one that should be less of a fanboy

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And what is the basis of your comments? All toyotas I have seen have been well put together. The fit and finish of all the toyotas I have seen( and I have seen many, many toyotas) has been great. Is the base model cheap and plastic, yes, that is why its a base model! Is a BMW base model nicer? Yes, but base price is $40k. Makes it easy to make a nice base model when your charging that much. As for engine issues, yes they have had some, but they have also corrected them. Of course your BMWs don't have any of these issues, right? I mean the fact that you have two replace window regulators every two blocks is perfectly acceptable, right?

We have to be realistic and note the good and bad of every car regardless of whether we like it or not. I do that, you don't. Therefore, your the one that should be less of a fanboy

I didn't once compare toyota to bmw, so get off your high horse. No where, infact did it say ohh bmw is better then toyota, because , unless youre retarded its not even the same segment of vehicle. There are plenty of cars in its price range that are 14 times more solid then a toyota and you know it. For example, a new malibu is miles ahead of a camery.

A kia forte, and sadly cobalt and many other entry levels are way above a corolla and in the same price class.

Now what?

You seem to think people are comparing toyota to bmw here.... not at all. Compare apples to apples and toyota is still a rotten one

I work service at Toyota and there is a million recalls... but they do get fixed... Isn't it Ford that if you slam the door hard enough you can no longer turn it on until you get it towed to a dealer and pay them (and the tow-truck driver) to hit the "reset" button?

I actually think Toyota isn't all that bad, however I wouldn't buy a new one (nor would I buy a brand new anything I think that in itself is one of the dumbest purchases a person could ever make...) and that's not because I work there. :p

Cobalts aren't that great either they have wobbly pedals at least the SS that I've driven... I also had a G4 rental for 3 weeks, and it wasn't to dandy either...