I can't really say because I've only seen Generations, First Contact and Insurrection, but out of those 3 First Contact definitely wins. You don't have to be a Trek fan to enjoy that movie. Fun for everyone :) I really must watch the rest of them.

Wedge -> RE: The best STAR TREK movie ??? (28/2/2007 11:33:45 AM)

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I can't really say because I've only seen Generations, First Contact and Insurrection, but out of those 3 First Contact definitely wins. You don't have to be a Trek fan to enjoy that movie. Fun for everyone :) I really must watch the rest of them.

I really wouldn't bother with The Motion Picture or Nemesis. Awful.

Timon -> RE: The Best Star Trek Movie (28/2/2007 11:38:59 AM)

Excuse me, there is nothing wrong with The Motion Picture.

It does a great job reuniting the crew, dragging McCoy out of retirement, Spock leaving Vulcan and sending them to stop V'Ger.

The problem is after Star Wars et al. it was a tad too cerebral and dare I say it dull for a sci-fi movie but it really is more Trek than most of the other films dealing with identity, God and other worlds. It has it's slow moments (Which Khan makes up for) but it's a decent sci-fi movie. Think more 2001 though, than Wrath of Khan.

I'm suprised Nemisis isn't last on everybody's list because undoubtedly it is the worst Star Trek film ever. Its a copy of Wrath of Khan and a pretty poor one at that because while in Wrath of Khan the veiwer was actually saddened by Spocks death in this film Datas 'death' is abysmal and empty. Where is the plot in Nemisis? somewhere on the floor forgotten behind the action sequences and pathetic premise- a clone of Picard is easily far worse than God wanting a space ship.

Thus a proper order for these films 1. Wrath of Khan, suspense, tension, sadness and some excellent lines 2 The Undiscovered Country, cold war thriller with a excellent battle scene towards the end 3 The Voyage Home, good easy fun featuring whales 4 First Contact, excellent opening scene and well driven plot 5 Final Frontier, not as bad as people say with some good battle scenes and an excellent shot of God being murdered with a Bird of Prey 6 Insurrection, not brilliant but fairly enjoyable 7 The Motion Picture, hated it completely as a kid but now embrace it as a slightly overlong but enjoyable romp through space 8 The Search For Spock, only good bits are David being murdered and the destruction of the Enterprise, which i have to say brought a tear to my eye. 9 Generations, only good part is the Enterprise B at the beginning but then gets worse and worse. Kirk dies by falling off a small bridge thich is a pathetic death for such a monumental character 10 Nemisis, i cry at night thanks to this

Timon -> RE: The best STAR TREK movie ??? (9/3/2007 10:51:28 AM)

I'll tell you why there is hate against Star Trek V.

It starts off well. Kirk, Spock and McCoy bonding in Yosemite, "I've always known i'll die alone", "All I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by".......and then it gets messy. Very messy.

The planet of Nimbus III looks cheap and nasty, the action scenes are all Kirk-orientated which wouldn't be bad but as Shatner is directing it all seems rather big headed. Sybok's quest to find Eden is a little lame. An alien impersonating God?! What does God need with a starship? How does confronting your inner pain turn you against your captain? Why does Uhura starting hitting on Scotty?! It's all rather flimsy.....like the effects. The premise could have been handled really well but it all falls apart under scrutity.

Oh and Roddenberry hated it.

Saying that the shuttle crash is great as is the "I know this ship like the back of my hand....THUNK"

Wedge -> RE: The best STAR TREK movie ??? (9/3/2007 10:52:05 AM)

Ahem

Before anyone goes any further, I feel I should get a few things straight. The baddie in Final Frontier is not God/a God, but a powerful alien. That's the whole point. Furthermore, I think Final Frontier should be admired for tackling theological questions. I think that is one of the main reasons it's so underrated, theology is just not that sexy.

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Timon -> RE: The best STAR TREK movie ??? (9/3/2007 10:57:52 AM)

I did say an alien IMPERSONATING God, Wedgey. Don't try and get all high and mighty with me![:D]

Apparantly the 'alien' was going to be Satan and Kirk, Spock and McCoy were going to be attacked by demons with McCoy being dragged over the River Stynx and his shipmates having to rescue him....but this was deemed to dark by Paramount hence all the shoehorned humour.

Basically, what was originally a dark script was ripped a part by a commitee and stuck back together making a disjointed and terrible film.

I did say an alien IMPERSONATING God, Wedgey. Don't try and get all high and mighty with me![:D]

Apparantly the 'alien' was going to be Satan and Kirk, Spock and McCoy were going to be attacked by demons with McCoy being dragged over the River Stynx and his shipmates having to rescue him....but this was deemed to dark by Paramount hence all the shoehorned humour.

Basically, what was originally a dark script was ripped a part by a commitee and stuck back together making a disjointed and terrible film.

"Plan B.....B...for barricade"

Your post wasn't up when I started writing mine Timon [sm=mad45.gif]

Thank Fake God they didn't go with the original premise then!

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The premise could have been handled really well but it all falls apart under scrutity.

Weeell, if you're going to start scrutinising films...

Timon -> RE: The best STAR TREK movie ??? (9/3/2007 11:16:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Wedge

Weeell, if you're going to start scrutinising films...

Also, they make out that getting to the centre of the galaxy is an impossible feat.......they seem to have no problem doing it. The Klingons even do it pretty easily.

Moan moan winge moan....[:D]

Wedge -> RE: The best STAR TREK movie ??? (9/3/2007 11:19:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Timon

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ORIGINAL: Wedge

Weeell, if you're going to start scrutinising films...

Also, they make out that getting to the centre of the galaxy is an impossible feat.......they seem to have no problem doing it. The Klingons even do it pretty easily.

Moan moan winge moan....[:D]

'It's just a film' [sm=18.gif]

Bloody hate it when people say that [sm=dry.gif]

Timon -> RE: The best STAR TREK movie ??? (9/3/2007 11:26:50 AM)

Yeah, normally they're passionless Daily Mail readers.....

Wedge -> RE: The best STAR TREK movie ??? (9/3/2007 11:31:06 AM)

Scum of the earth. The sort of person who believes that sci-fi or fantasy movies can be riddled with impausable ideas and plot points because of their very nature.

Movie critic: 'A man with super strength could not hold a 747 by it's nose, it would break off!'

Daily Mail reader: 'It's just a movie. Besides, it's about a man who can fly...'