So, they traded a 4-8-8-4 in halfway decent shape for a SD?Wow, I wish I had trading skills like that!

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Post subject: Re: Official UP 4014 Video Updates

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:59 pm

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p51 wrote:

So, they traded a 4-8-8-4 in halfway decent shape for a SD?Wow, I wish I had trading skills like that!

That's what I said. An SD and a caboose for a 4-8-8-4. What a trade.

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Post subject: Re: Official UP 4014 Video Updates

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:09 pm

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Mark Z. Yerkes wrote:

p51 wrote:

So, they traded a 4-8-8-4 in halfway decent shape for a SD?Wow, I wish I had trading skills like that!

That's what I said. An SD and a caboose for a 4-8-8-4. What a trade.

Remember the P.R. angle of: "See that huge engine racing by? We took care of it for 52 years and that's why it can run today."

Any museum that has such an artifact should look at the P.R. side of trades that outside parties request. You can still say "No, it is part of our permanent collection, and is not for trade" or "This piece is integral to our primary displays/mission statement, and is therefore not available.", just look before you say no.

I actually think the trade was a decent idea. What can children of today relate to? What do they see every day? Yes, a Big Boy brings a sense of pride and awe to people, but whats better to bring that, sitting in a museum, cold and dead, or running out on the road for all to see. Children today see SD-40's every day, its one of the more common types of power, so they can relate and connect to it. Like it or not, diesel preservation is what is going to bring the current generation of railfan's to museums, they grew up around diesel, not steam.

And of course if nothing is done to preserve modern diesels, some of the examples are actually getting up there in years anyway, there won't be any left in the future, so its time to think about whats worth saving now, rather then wait till its too late.

ParisHill

Post subject: Re: Official UP 4014 Video Updates

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:44 am

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The Southern California Chapter of the Railway & Locomotive Historical Society will also receive the proceeds of a 4014 California excursion which could end up netting the Chapter several hundred thousand dollars. When this is figured into the trade, the 4014 trade appears to be equitable to both the UP and the Chapter.

Dave

Post subject: Re: Official UP 4014 Video Updates

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:35 pm

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Tails wrote:

What can children of today relate to? What do they see every day?

A blue 0-6-0T with a big smiley face. "Diesels" become a generic category since the differences between modern diesels are not as visually obvious as those between steam locomotives. A SD whatever and a GP whatever are differentially indistinguishable to children....and rightly so.

dave

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Post subject: Re: Official UP 4014 Video Updates

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:43 pm

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quite frankly, if that blue 0-6-0T with the smiley face get kids into this, and makes them want to be an engineer, so be it. Honestly that's what got me started about 20 years ago, and now I work with steam for a living. And I can thank that little blue 0-6-0T for implanting the dream

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