I was raised by a Depression baby so perhaps I’m more sensitive to this kind of thing than most. But I can’t help thinking that when the Edward Gibbon of some future generation, or the scribe of our conquering alien overlords, writes the chronicles of our decline and fall, the packaging of Lean Cuisine “Honestly Good” meals will figure prominently. To convey 390 calories from an industrial processing plant to my gullet, Nestle required a plastic dish with a clear plastic top, wrapped in another layer of plastic shrink wrap, accompanied by a plastic sauce pouch, encased in a remarkably sturdy cardboard box. Could any more non renewable resources have been wasted on this product? Probably, but it’s hard to see how.

By the way, the packaging effort was more-or-less wasted. The sauce, as with most pre-prepared food was too sweet and too much. They could have done with half of it. The rest of it was the usual meh frozen dinner.

Consider this an open thread. Hopefully the database issues we had this morning are past us.

If you need to keep frozen pre-fab food in your freezer for those times when lightning-quick meals are necessary, stick to frozen burritos. Tasty, filling, and just one little plastic outer wrap to deal with.

I’m unexpectedly going to Ireland tomorrow. Funding finally came through for a conference so today I need to sort my life or and but flights etc. Stressful as fuck but at least I’ll see lots of friends there.

We make large amounts of chili, soups, stews, & etc, and then freeze part of the pot for those times when neither of us feel like from-scratch cooking. Doing so ensures quality ingredients and the cost plummets to around one dollar per serving.

A few years ago, I bought a sandwich that was supposed to be deli quality that you would warm up in the microwave. I opened the box, and each part of the sandwich was in its own wrapper. There were about 6 different wrappers.

Thanks for the diet tips, but I rarely if ever eat a frozen dinner. I happened to see this in the freezer section and thought, hey, this might be some kind of improvement on frozen dinners. I was wrong.

As anyone who read The Omnivore’s Dilemma could tell you, since you’re wondering about other nonrenewable resources going into that “dinner,” there’s also the large amounts of petroleum going into the nitrates used to overfertilize the corn that either (i) feeds the protein that comprises said meal, (ii) is used to oversweeten or preserve it one way or another, or (iii) is sourced for the corn syrup used to make the “sauce.”

Beat me to it. How hard is it to make a fistful of fresh vegetables and a small medallion of whatever meat was contained therein? Also, you can save yourself a bunch of calories if you don’t put a sauce on your “healthy choice” meal.

Pictures or it didn’t happen. The one where you’re hoisting a Guinness in a smoky shebeen would be sure to win friends here.

Slainte!

Also too, last week or so, there was a FP post on the controversial “SpongeBob SquarePants” gravestone. I replied to your comments there several hours after you had submitted them. If you’d not seen it, I’d be interested to learn more about your activities/interest in funerary monuments. At your later convenience. Safe travels!

My former boss used to eat those Lean Cuisine meals every day for lunch. She was super busy, with two kids, a full time job, and going to graduate school at night, so I got how she didn’t have any time to cook. But even so I couldn’t figure out how she could eat those every single day and not be sick all the time. Plus, they smelled up the break room. Half the time she’d stick one in the microwave, get called away for some meeting, and it would sit there for an hour in the microwave. Ugh.

@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: “fistful of fresh vegetables”
Important if suitably restrained. This requires buying a quarter fistful of three types of fresh vegetables, almost daily – or they are no longer fresh. Not impossible, but requires discipline.

@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: I keep frozen vegetables on hand all the time. Takes a few minutes to heat them up. Microwave works fine. If you have a stovetop, you can stir fry them. Maybe takes five minutes then.

People think cooking takes a bunch of time but it really doesn’t if you keep it simple and have a few things on hand.

@raven: Mmm… I remember when lurps came out, the beef and rice was OK, the spaghetti worked if you could bum a tin of cheese to put in it. The beans in the chili would bust a tooth unless you waited a looong time for it to soak.

@Kylroy: Sure, if you want mango bison whatever it is in the comic, then it’s probably easier and cheaper to order out. But if you have a freezer, and I know not everyone does, but most people do these days, it’s not hard to do some prep work, freeze it in whatever sizes you need for your household, and cook it fairly quickly. Things like rice and pasta are easy and don’t take long to prepare. The rest of it can be kept in the freezer in ready-to-cook form and stuck in the fridge to thaw before someone heads out to work that morning. Or whatever.

It’s not without some effort, but it’s not as hard as many people think.

Agree, frozen is fine too. I live in the city where I walk past a “produce truck” on the way home from the train, so my perspective is a little warped. But frozen or fresh – prep for both is very simple.

@raven: We spent a lot of time on a pacification mission, we had semi permanent positions with wire and sandbag bunkers. Most patrolling was short range, day patrols back by dark. The positions were located near wells and the Brigade made a try at providing drinking water via “elephant ear” bladders. We weren’t in the desert. LOL

By the way, the packaging effort was more-or-less wasted. The sauce, as with most pre-prepared food was too sweet and too much. They could have done with half of it. The rest of it was the usual meh frozen dinner.

There’s no excuse for frozen dinners when it’s easy and fast to make your own. Soups and stews are especially easy and fast. (A) First, get your self a pressure cooker. Amazon has a bunch of expensive and not-so-expensive ones. I’m partial to Fagor stove-tops because that’s what I happen to have. (B) Google around for some recipes – there are bunches of them out there (e.g., http://www.yummly.com/recipes/.....-and-stews). (iii) Freeze in ziplock baggies like this – http://www.southernliving.com/.....000075414/. Srsly.

@Miki: I also recommend not having any kids and not having to work more than one job, or making sure your job doesn’t run really late into the evening and making sure your not in college while working full time, and do not especially have three kids and work full time and go to college.

It also helps if you have no friends, especially if you have other obligations.

@TooManyJens: Jehan Gordon-Booth and Al Riley got on board overnight. I think we have 60. This is so emotional and nerve-wracking…to think we’re near the end of the road after all our work. Can I finally stop calling crabby old Christian ladies now? Please?

Saw the second Thor movie yesterday. I liked it. It works like a typical superhero movie, in that it’s all about setting up for the big fight in Act 3. That said, it doesn’t take itself too seriously, nor does it forget to entertain. You see (SPOILER ALERT!) a man’s pixelated bottom in this movie — though not Chris Hemsworth’s. There’s a good plot twist at the end, and don’t forget to stay for the teaser in the end credits.

That big fight is set in London. There’s a comic moment when two of the superguys in the fight take a breather to go slide down the outer surface of the Gherkin, much to the surprise of the office workers within. And I’m almost sure I saw the location used for the Paris street scenes in Les Misérables, including the reenactment of General Lamarque’s funeral.

Re the experiment with the prepackaged meal: Can’t blame you for trying them once in a blue moon out of curiosity. You were clearly and rightly unsurprised by what you found. But one would think that after all the experience we’ve had over the past century with frozen foods, we could surely have come up with something less processed and healthier to put in meals like that.

I always keep some of their burritos on hand for a quick frozen lunch if, say, I am working in the yard and need something quick before going back out side or are otherwise pressed for time. They are pretty food an quick. Maybe I should try some of their other products as well. As someone mentioned up thread burrito packaging is pretty landfill friendly as well.

The easiest to make and tasty microwave meals are the Marie Callender steamers. Put them in the microwave for four minutes, peel the clear plastic, pour the steamed food in the sauce, stir, and eat. The bottom plastic can be reused as a soup bowl.

I’m not even enthused about frozen meals made by Amy or Paul Newman. Prepackaged salads like you get at Subway, etc, don’t thrill me either. They just don’t taste quite right.

I listened to a debate on MPR today while driving, “Do Red States have a Better Future?” with panelists Stephen Moore, Hugh Hewitt, Gray Davis and Michael Lind. Interesting but of course, annoying listening to Moore and Hewitt pushing the same old. I think it was Gray Davis that pointed out those two choose to live in blue states.

@Kylroy: A lot of it really sounded like first-world upmanship to me. “I’ve got so much free time, you should, too.” A lot of people, and they don’t all have kids like I do, get up in the morning, and don’t settle down until it’s nearly bedtime.

@handsmile: not where I come from my friend. Cole was pushing the ‘steam in the bag frozen veggies’ during one of his previous weight loss attempts. They’re not bad. Not that I’ve lost any weight eating them. I’ll take canned soups over frozen dinners any day. Just read the labels. Progresso has a bunch of soups that come out to 20% or less fat content. Sodium, on the other hand… And the days of 10 cans for $10 are looong gone.

@SinnedBackwards:
Yes, I can’t imagine why there would be arguing when people respond to mistermix bitching about the unnecessary excess of packaging on his TV dinner by informing him that he is wrong to eat things he hasn’t personally cooked.

Hell, I’m thrilled we got some comments about other, less packaging-intense prepared foods before the inevitable shaming.

No offense, but cooking in quantities you can use for lunch later is really easy. You buy a whatever queasine, and you get what you get. I’d rather snack on cold tofu with a dash of braggs and hot sauce over a green salad, first.

@elmo: The Kirkland cheese pizzas from Costco work well I put fresh toppings on them and presto. Not as good as if from scratch, but way better than standard frozen. They’re about $10 for a pack of four.

My oldest has been doing great in school and after a several-weeks-long campaign, I finally gave in and put a pepperoni Hot Pocket in his lunchbox. You have to understand that I’m one of “those” parents that grows her own apples, makes her own bread, etc, so the so-called “fun foods” just never get in his lunchbox (yeah, lunch trades just don’t happen for him). Anyway, I tried to resist the urge to view the ingredients, but at the last second I did…

Not sure about tomorrow, but he should glow in the dark enough tonight to read by.

@Cassidy: Fair enough. I have little idea of people’s comment history here.

I just wish people who like cooking could recognize that it is going from being a life skill to being a hobby, the same way sewing did 50 years ago. There were no blogs to record it back then, but I wonder – was there a similar backlash in the 1960s from dedicated sewers against mass-made store bought clothes?

@the Conster: Amen. It isn’t that I can’t cook, because I’m actually not bad at it. I just bring to the activity a complete lack of interest. Every time I declare that I’m going to eat at home more often it just doesn’t happen.

@Kylroy: I just wish people who like cooking could recognize that it is going from being a life skill to being a hobby, the same way sewing did 50 years ago. There were no blogs to record it back then, but I wonder – was there a similar backlash in the 1960s from dedicated sewers against mass-made store bought clothes?

Sheesh. Cooking does not equal foodie. Not too many foodies would be impressed by my pots of beans. Hell, I don’t even bother cooking any rice to go with them most of the time. Yes, I take a 4-5 hours to do it one day, mostly because I dawdle. But it’s cheap, and easy to nuke bowlfuls the rest of the week.

And there are usually pot pies in the freezer, and more than a few “Screw it, I’ll just get some bread, cheese, and salami” nights. My junk’s probably foodier than my cooking.

Cooking is definitely still a lifestyle skill in New Zealand (everyone I know got funneled through at least some of the cooking classes at intermediate).

There’s a vege market here on the weekend for fruit and veges that aren’t quite supermarket/export quality (i.e. weirdly shaped peppers or marked apples) and it’s always packed with people.

I can usally pick up a weeks’ worth of fruit and veges for a fraction of supermarket costs and the bulk of them are quick to cook or prepare (I can whip up a simple salad in less than 10 minutes). I realise this is a function of my environment (fresh, if ugly, fruit and veges easily available at a low cost) but I wish the same thing were available elsewhere.