retom7

showcaller

Woot.... seriously... not trying to be some wise_ _ _ here but really... don't you think you have posted enough TV's and laptops to hold off for a few months or are that many firms offering you so much product it is just to hard to resist?

axemurderer

the speakers kinda suck, but that's pretty common with the thin lcd/led tvs... that's pretty much the only con.

it DID take a bit of configuring to get the picture adjusted well, out of the box (and the default settings) were pretty lousy and washed out. once i adjusted the settings, the picture quality's been pretty great.

doomtothee

Followed by a completely useless generic spam video review of this model. Just in case anyone else has absolutely nothing to do. Although... it does claim to be the most helpful review on youtube so... maybe I'm just being skeptical.

robio

Hey fellow Wooters, I have a general question for owners of HDTVs: Am I crazy to want 720p over 1080p?

I'm sure anything made in the last few years looks great in 1080, but every time I'm at my in-laws, where their 7492-inch behemoth is always on, every TV show looks like crap.

I can't focus on the story because the sets look like sets, the camera movements feel like there's a camera in the room — everything about the experience just screams "this is fake!" It feels like I'm watching a stage rehearsal, not a finished production.

I honestly can't imagine how anyone can stand it.

I still own a standard-definition tube TV (bought just before HD started becoming the norm), and while I wish it were bigger, I think just about everything I've seen on both sets, save for live sports, looks better on my TV than theirs.

What am I missing here? Would 720p be a good compromise, or would all the problems I have with HD be just as bad at that resolution? Does anybody even sell a decent 720p that isn't a super-pricy plasma?

bertfivesix

robio wrote:I'm sure anything made in the last few years looks great in 1080, but every time I'm at my in-laws, where their 7492-inch behemoth is always on, every TV show looks like crap.

I can't focus on the story because the sets look like sets, the camera movements feel like there's a camera in the room — everything about the experience just screams "this is fake!" It feels like I'm watching a stage rehearsal, not a finished production.

That's not caused by the resolution, it's the 120Hz and higher refresh rate modes that TVs all seem to "need" now (LG calls it "TruMotion"). I think it looks terrible as well for everything save perhaps sports and nature documentaries, but thankfully you can just turn it off and you get your "normal" look and feel.

wchong4

robio wrote:Hey fellow Wooters, I have a general question for owners of HDTVs: Am I crazy to want 720p over 1080p?

I'm sure anything made in the last few years looks great in 1080, but every time I'm at my in-laws, where their 7492-inch behemoth is always on, every TV show looks like crap.

I can't focus on the story because the sets look like sets, the camera movements feel like there's a camera in the room — everything about the experience just screams "this is fake!" It feels like I'm watching a stage rehearsal, not a finished production.

I honestly can't imagine how anyone can stand it.

I still own a standard-definition tube TV (bought just before HD started becoming the norm), and while I wish it were bigger, I think just about everything I've seen on both sets, save for live sports, looks better on my TV than theirs.

What am I missing here? Would 720p be a good compromise, or would all the problems I have with HD be just as bad at that resolution? Does anybody even sell a decent 720p that isn't a super-pricy plasma?

It almost sounds like you're describing the difference in refresh rate, rather than resolution. The effect you describe sounds like 120 or 240hz on a show that was meant to air at 60hz. I call it the "Soap Opera Effect" where the movements appear way too smooth like someone's home HandyCam work.

Keep in mind that a native 1080p TV can manage 720p quite well. This should have no impact on the picture perception, at least according to what you describe.

Wayne4816

robio wrote:Hey fellow Wooters, I have a general question for owners of HDTVs: Am I crazy to want 720p over 1080p?

Get a projector and badass surround system..
I'm sure anything made in the last few years looks great in 1080, but every time I'm at my in-laws, where their 7492-inch behemoth is always on, every TV show looks like crap.

I can't focus on the story because the sets look like sets, the camera movements feel like there's a camera in the room — everything about the experience just screams "this is fake!" It feels like I'm watching a stage rehearsal, not a finished production.

I honestly can't imagine how anyone can stand it.

I still own a standard-definition tube TV (bought just before HD started becoming the norm), and while I wish it were bigger, I think just about everything I've seen on both sets, save for live sports, looks better on my TV than theirs.

What am I missing here? Would 720p be a good compromise, or would all the problems I have with HD be just as bad at that resolution? Does anybody even sell a decent 720p that isn't a super-pricy plasma?

MMcCraryNJ

As someone else mentioned earlier, this particular TV is actually a 60 Hz panel, with some proprietary technology (black frame insertion or fast blinking backlight) in order to "emulate" 120 Hz.

Google search "LG 120Hz" and you'll be able to find more info about it. Basically, at least for the 2012 model year (and maybe even latter half 2011), LG has been falsifying the refresh rates of their TVs. A well-known audio/video review site pointed it out when they got a review unit of the LM6700. They did scientific testing of the panel and measured it out to be 60 Hz (since there were no TruMotion settings available to adjust and it raised a red flag).

When they asked LG about the settings, LG responded that the 120 Hz TruMotion is just always "on", and needs no other settings. This goes against how every other TV above 60 Hz actually works. When they did their testing and pointed out that the panel was truly 60 Hz, LG responded with a firmware update to that particular model that enabled DeBlur and DeJudder settings, however people found adjusting these gave little to no benefit, as the panel used to build the TV was still a 60 Hz panel. But it's not just LG that does this, basically every manufacturer has fibbed a bit about their refresh rates.

A good rule of thumb is to take the advertised refresh rate, and halve it. LG's 240 Hz TVs, for instance, are actual 120 Hz panels but with backlight and black frame tricks to "emulate" 240 Hz. I should know, I have an LM7600 (one model up from the 6700 that they tested) that's advertised as 240, but uses a 120 Hz panel. This shouldn't be used as a be all, end all guide though. Always research a particular model TV to be sure of what you're getting.

All of that out of the way, as long as you aren't bothered by it not being a 120 Hz TV, I'm sure it gives a good picture. I actually really love my LM7600, one of the best looking TVs I've ever seen.

Just be wary of specs, and research to make sure you're good with what you're getting!

EDIT: I can say for sure that in terms of the 2012 LGs, ANY LG model that isn't the LM7600 or higher uses a 60 Hz panel. So that is, the LM6700 and below all have it. This particular model is the mid-range line, and thus uses the 60 Hz panel.

mrdigby

OK. I've had it. Tonight is the LAST time I will bother to check Woot.com.
After about a hundred TV sets, I can't stand it any longer. Where are the SATA hard drives? Where are the video cards? Where are the (dare I say it) Roombas?
TV TV TV TV> Yuck.
By the way.... I work for a major network as a news photographer. I HATE television. And I still have an old 27" CRT. Why bother with a fancy TV when only crap is televised?

morninwood000

whatsamattaU

mrdigby wrote:OK. I've had it. Tonight is the LAST time I will bother to check Woot.com.
After about a hundred TV sets, I can't stand it any longer. Where are the SATA hard drives? Where are the video cards? Where are the (dare I say it) Roombas?
TV TV TV TV> Yuck.
By the way.... I work for a major network as a news photographer. I HATE television. And I still have an old 27" CRT. Why bother with a fancy TV when only crap is televised?

The video cards I've seen go to sellout and tech.woot. I remember when everyone was complaining about too many vacuums (the Roomba, etc.). The hard drives haven't seen much, I agree. The CRT I would have held onto as well, but it started turning itself off.

highonpez

stephen6789

Awesome TV. I bought this model a month ago new for $550. grrr... I have no problems buying refurbed if the warrantee is decent. Being 120hz should have been in the main description. this is NOT old technology.

craigthom

mrdigby wrote:OK. I've had it. Tonight is the LAST time I will bother to check Woot.com.
After about a hundred TV sets, I can't stand it any longer. Where are the SATA hard drives? Where are the video cards? Where are the (dare I say it) Roombas?
TV TV TV TV> Yuck.
By the way.... I work for a major network as a news photographer. I HATE television. And I still have an old 27" CRT. Why bother with a fancy TV when only crap is televised?

Don't forget to finish the flounce by stomping your feet and slamming the door on your way out.

smib

Does anyone know if the optical out on this set will allow volume adjustment? I have what seems to be an older version of this set and it does not, meaning I'm required to use an amp/receiver with optical in(and a remote), or none at all.

jonasskardis

I bought a similar display from samsung, and looked at this one in the store. The downside with this and a lot of LED tv's for me is the lack of inputs. I ended up returning the samsung and getting a LG LCD display for the extra inputs (4 HDMI ports and a VGA input versus 2 HDMI's for the LED)

cassyg9

Followed by a completely useless generic spam video review of this model. Just in case anyone else has absolutely nothing to do. Although... it does claim to be the most helpful review on youtube so... maybe I'm just being skeptical.

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