the greatest teacher we have is our own mistakes. Sometimes that 'teacher' is way too harsh. the best you/we can do Mark, is better the odds - but you/we'll never be able to reduce that harshness to zero....to try is to deny the lessons of the 'teacher'.

Quote: Cord, has there ever been a movie where the dad goes nuts and kills the drunk kids?

There is 'Death Sentence' with Kevin Bacon, where he goes vigilante against the gangbangers who kill his son. Also, Friday the 13th's killer is Jason;s mother, taking revenge on summer camp kids for the mistreatment and subsequent death of Jason.

in regards to 'Prom' nights, We had end of year formals in upper school- we would get tuxed up, smoke cigars and pretend we liked them, and get good and loaded on booze, but the whole 'give her a flower and then take her flower' concept that is always portrayed in American movies was never really part of the culture. Then again, where I grew up we never even had a school nativity- couldnt find 3 wise men and a virgin in our school

I am not dad, and if I were, I would be a lousy one in situations like this, but I guess the only thing I could say to rationalise things is that your wife's dad was probably ill thinking about what you were doing with her when you first got together, and things turned out OK didnt they?You always sound like an 'involved' dad, who raises his kids to have good judgement- sometimes you have to have faith in the job that you did as a parent.

The Proms at the past two high schools I've been too apparently have sucked in recent years and my current school I've been at one year and have little connection to so I foregoe the opportunity. I did go to Snoball though which is huge in my town (like 6 or 7 high schools go). It was fun but not amazing.Now the movie "Prom Night" was unrealistic but entertaining, especially since it took place in New Port Oregon (called Bridgeport in the movie) and mentions Portland and Woodburn. Hells yeah.

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