Really ? I have no idea , that's why I asking , just a feeling. Did you know that the DKS has been described as a "Black Monolith" like object , floating in space , obviously ?

So you still don't think theres any connection ?

One more thing , I found this which is interesting ,

"The cause was a rather unusual incident in the spring of 1960 which apparently gave the antisatellite proponents stronger justification for their arguments. The discovery of an “unknown satellite” by US tracking facilities forced White House officials to allow the further development of an inspection variant of the US Air Force’s Satellite Interceptor (SAINT) program."

Really ? I have no idea , that's why I asking , just a feeling. Did you know that the DKS has been described as a "Black Monolith" like object , floating in space , obviously ?

So you still don't think theres any connection ?

One more thing , I found this which is interesting ,

"The cause was a rather unusual incident in the spring of 1960 which apparently gave the antisatellite proponents stronger justification for their arguments. The discovery of an “unknown satellite” by US tracking facilities forced White House officials to allow the further development of an inspection variant of the US Air Force’s Satellite Interceptor (SAINT) program."

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

ohnot saying it is not linkedcos it iswhat i was saying is it is not linked to the finality of saturn/black sun belief currently possessed by our lower ordersit is directly linked to raising our lower orders belief into, thus above, lower order current earth bound(magnetosphere boundary) belief

Really ? I have no idea , that's why I asking , just a feeling. Did you know that the DKS has been described as a "Black Monolith" like object , floating in space , obviously ?

So you still don't think theres any connection ?

One more thing , I found this which is interesting ,

"The cause was a rather unusual incident in the spring of 1960 which apparently gave the antisatellite proponents stronger justification for their arguments. The discovery of an “unknown satellite” by US tracking facilities forced White House officials to allow the further development of an inspection variant of the US Air Force’s Satellite Interceptor (SAINT) program."

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

ohnot saying it is not linkedcos it iswhat i was saying is it is not linked to the finality of saturn/black sun belief currently possessed by our lower ordersit is directly linked to raising our lower orders belief into, thus above, lower order current earth bound(magnetosphere boundary) belief

thusyou are correct

Quoting: aether

Ok, i wasn't really following the conversation and kinda just jumped in without reading much, yet, and thanks.

Really ? I have no idea , that's why I asking , just a feeling. Did you know that the DKS has been described as a "Black Monolith" like object , floating in space , obviously ?

So you still don't think theres any connection ?

One more thing , I found this which is interesting ,

"The cause was a rather unusual incident in the spring of 1960 which apparently gave the antisatellite proponents stronger justification for their arguments. The discovery of an “unknown satellite” by US tracking facilities forced White House officials to allow the further development of an inspection variant of the US Air Force’s Satellite Interceptor (SAINT) program."

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

ohnot saying it is not linkedcos it iswhat i was saying is it is not linked to the finality of saturn/black sun belief currently possessed by our lower ordersit is directly linked to raising our lower orders belief into, thus above, lower order current earth bound(magnetosphere boundary) belief

Re: THE BLACK SUN UNVEILED and the Birthday Child of December 21, 23 , 2012..

What your saying isn't good , right ?

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

it is neither "good" nor "bad"it is realityas you know

we have discussed that the field functions within all structures and it`s functions alters dependent upon the shape of the structurewe have suggested the differing field effects have two things in common1) all effect is as a result of the same field(s)2) vortical motion is always the expression of the field

thus we may agree that no matter the emotional sensation and informational interaction experienced, the cause and effect is always from the same cause (field(s)) and the effects are always vorticle in origin

with that in mind:

It is possible by clairvoyance to watch the action of that force, to see how the service of the Eucharist builds up a thought-form, through which that force is distributed by the priest with the aid of the Angel invoked for that purpose. It has been so arranged that the attitude of the priest, his knowledge - even his character - does not in any way interfere with the due effect of the Sacrament.* (*See No. 26 of the Thirty-nine Articles of the Church of England in The Book of Common Prayer.) There is, in any case, an irreducible minimum which is transmitted. So long as he performs the pre­scribed ceremonies the result is achieved.* (*See The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, by T. Waterworth, p. 55 (Session VII, Canon xii)) If he is also a devout man, those who receive the Sacrament at his hands have the additional benefit of a share in his love and devotion, but that in no way affects the value of the Sacrament itself; whatever his failings, the divine strength is outpoured upon the people.

Quoting: 33

With us also it is the Master of the Lodge who is responsible for the magnetization of the double square, but the Brn. ought all to help in that work. The object is to charge that space heavily with the highest possible influence, and to erect a wall round it in order that the influence may be kept in place. The part played by the thought-form is much like that of a condenser. It matters not how much steam may be generated, it is useless for work unless it is enclosed and kept under pressure. In this scheme we accumulate and use the force which otherwise would scatter itself freely over the surrounding neighbourhood.

now the question may bethought forms by default are fantasy thus have no access to the field because they are not realthey are formed and sustained by human emotion

thus we appear to have the following conundrum in our temples and churches

the shape of the church/temple enhances field effect

the humans within the structure experience altered state and informational enhancement which they transfer into thought formthe thought forms retain the information provided for them by their creators, the human emotions and over time the thought forms become more and more aware as successive generations of their creators die and new disciples replace the dead ones

so the question isdo humans form thought forms to store information and if that is sowhy do humans worship them?

Re: THE BLACK SUN UNVEILED and the Birthday Child of December 21, 23 , 2012..

What your saying isn't good , right ?

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

it is neither "good" nor "bad"it is realityas you know

we have discussed that the field functions within all structures and it`s functions alters dependent upon the shape of the structurewe have suggested the differing field effects have two things in common1) all effect is as a result of the same field(s)2) vortical motion is always the expression of the field

thus we may agree that no matter the emotional sensation and informational interaction experienced, the cause and effect is always from the same cause (field(s)) and the effects are always vorticle in origin

with that in mind:

It is possible by clairvoyance to watch the action of that force, to see how the service of the Eucharist builds up a thought-form, through which that force is distributed by the priest with the aid of the Angel invoked for that purpose. It has been so arranged that the attitude of the priest, his knowledge - even his character - does not in any way interfere with the due effect of the Sacrament.* (*See No. 26 of the Thirty-nine Articles of the Church of England in The Book of Common Prayer.) There is, in any case, an irreducible minimum which is transmitted. So long as he performs the pre­scribed ceremonies the result is achieved.* (*See The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, by T. Waterworth, p. 55 (Session VII, Canon xii)) If he is also a devout man, those who receive the Sacrament at his hands have the additional benefit of a share in his love and devotion, but that in no way affects the value of the Sacrament itself; whatever his failings, the divine strength is outpoured upon the people.

Quoting: 33

With us also it is the Master of the Lodge who is responsible for the magnetization of the double square, but the Brn. ought all to help in that work. The object is to charge that space heavily with the highest possible influence, and to erect a wall round it in order that the influence may be kept in place. The part played by the thought-form is much like that of a condenser. It matters not how much steam may be generated, it is useless for work unless it is enclosed and kept under pressure. In this scheme we accumulate and use the force which otherwise would scatter itself freely over the surrounding neighbourhood.

now the question may bethought forms by default are fantasy thus have no access to the field because they are not realthey are formed and sustained by human emotion

thus we appear to have the following conundrum in our temples and churches

the shape of the church/temple enhances field effect

the humans within the structure experience altered state and informational enhancement which they transfer into thought formthe thought forms retain the information provided for them by their creators, the human emotions and over time the thought forms become more and more aware as successive generations of their creators die and new disciples replace the dead ones

so the question isdo humans form thought forms to store information and if that is sowhy do humans worship them?

I find the first two parts of the last questions interesting. First , I don't think we form thoughts because we can store them or to store them , I think we form thoughts because we can and it's happens to be for reasons unknown that all of the thoughts in the history of time have been recorded , somewhere , somehow. We worship them because we've been manipulated into believing rituals and worship are a good thing or something we need.

Re: THE BLACK SUN UNVEILED and the Birthday Child of December 21, 23 , 2012..

I find the first two parts of the last questions interesting. First , I don't think we form thoughts because we can store them or to store them , I think we form thoughts because we can and it's happens to be for reasons unknown that all of the thoughts in the history of time have been recorded , somewhere , somehow. We worship them because we've been manipulated into believing rituals and worship are a good thing or something we need.

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

nicely spoken each believing in good faith previous ancestral belief does emotionally experience as manipulation when new information alters all that is believed because the newly informed can not imagine that others could never seebut they did not nor do theyso the term "manipulation" in this context may be replaced by "passion" because their belief invokes passion within themselves and other believers forcing them to impose their will in the certainty it is the right thing to do for both themselves and all they impose upon

Re: THE BLACK SUN UNVEILED and the Birthday Child of December 21, 23 , 2012..

I find the first two parts of the last questions interesting. First , I don't think we form thoughts because we can store them or to store them , I think we form thoughts because we can and it's happens to be for reasons unknown that all of the thoughts in the history of time have been recorded , somewhere , somehow. We worship them because we've been manipulated into believing rituals and worship are a good thing or something we need.

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

nicely spoken each believing in good faith previous ancestral belief does emotionally experience as manipulation when new information alters all that is believed because the newly informed can not imagine that others could never seebut they did not nor do theyso the term "manipulation" in this context may be replaced by "passion" because their belief invokes passion within themselves and other believers forcing them to impose their will in the certainty it is the right thing to do for both themselves and all they impose upon

Quoting: aether

Thanks Aether , that means a lot coming from you. I feel way outta my league sometimes when I'm talking to you or peanut .,You should see all the screens I have open on my PC sometimes when I'm on a thread with one of you trying to find out what diffrent words or phrases mean !

Re: THE BLACK SUN UNVEILED and the Birthday Child of December 21, 23 , 2012..

I hope to clarify, it doesnt have to be a literal child.

When you make the manchild within, "Mercurius, Hermes. " its a whole new rebirth on perspective.

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST

We know you think it's you because 12/23 is your birthday (and hence why you say: "look, it's not 12/21, it's 12/23 actually".

You suffer from the classical self projection that plagues all occultists who can't handle their ego.

Tell it like you think and announce yourself to the world instead of pretending you just observe all this. Then will see what you really got.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28832069

I have to agree with Waffels on this one , the ego seems hard for many of them to hide.

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

i do see your point but the good news is in this era currently commenced

I enjoyed the last half hour especially. Universal citizens he says. And it appears we cant even be that way on a global scale yet

Quoting: GSF

did you notice that when mitchell was asked "what is the essence of energy" it was awkward and difficult for him to tell his explanation as in, it is not the news any wish to hear

i imagine

"....if we take the universe that we live in and know, knowing is pretty fundamental too and knowing is based on information and information is just basically patterns of energy. So we here have two faces of energy, one is matter, our existence is dependent upon matter. Our knowing is dependent upon information and we live in a universe that exists and knows"

Quoting: Dr. Edgar Mitchell

we live in a universe that exists and knows

that is what we have to come to terms with

our universe (environment) is not structured to imagine not knowing

it functions (effects) as if all within it is knowing

only we do not know what our environment and ourselves are and what we both are doing

sometimes that may be awkward for us

Quoting: aether 1187276

our environment is restructuring those whom will not restructure for themselves feet up and relax

Re: THE BLACK SUN UNVEILED and the Birthday Child of December 21, 23 , 2012..

I don't bother to speak. It's just good zen.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21609288

Those who KNOW do not speak.Those who SPEAK do not know.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5248308

Hosea 4:6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

--

Remember the law of God:

Ezra 7:26And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.

Nehemiah 10:2929 They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

Re: THE BLACK SUN UNVEILED and the Birthday Child of December 21, 23 , 2012..

Can you summarize your point in one or two sentences ?

Quoting: !saac

Thousands of years of anticipation by the Esoteric Orders in one or two sentences. hmmmm..

I think Im going to go to Mcdonalds and order an egg mcmuffin.

lol

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST

Sure, if somebody understands what it is they're writing about they should be able to sum it up in a few simple sentences for the dolts like myself, no ?

I'm not attacking you, dood, I'm just asking for an explanation without a bunch of extemporaneous fluff.

Enjoy the Mcfood.

Quoting: !saac

That's not how these 'esoteric' guys work.

They speak in riddles. They won't just put it out there plainly and succinctly. They like knowing things and dangling things over people's heads.

Quoting: The Gallows

The only meaning a word has, is that which is attached by the listener. So communication is limited to the knowledge and understanding of the listener rather than the wealth which may be present in the speaker. A good teacher has the talent to tempt the listener to learn more/deeper meaning to the words he hears. This is usually done by what lazy people call 'riddles' which is where the speaker tells the story and sometimes re-tells the story to make sure as the listener learns they do not accidentally attach the wrong meanings to the words. Most people are too lazy to bother to figure out the 'riddle'. They do not care to learn more definition or deeper meaning and simply want to coast by on their limited and simplistic knowledge of language all the while talking down about something or someone they see as "dangling things over people's heads."

Re: THE BLACK SUN UNVEILED and the Birthday Child of December 21, 23 , 2012..

I hope to clarify, it doesnt have to be a literal child.

When you make the manchild within, "Mercurius, Hermes. " its a whole new rebirth on perspective.

Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST

We know you think it's you because 12/23 is your birthday (and hence why you say: "look, it's not 12/21, it's 12/23 actually".

You suffer from the classical self projection that plagues all occultists who can't handle their ego.

Tell it like you think and announce yourself to the world instead of pretending you just observe all this. Then will see what you really got.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28832069

I have to agree with Waffels on this one , the ego seems hard for many of them to hide.

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

Yes, thats nifty, (yawn) Im a 40 something year old fat man with brown hair, Do I look like a five year old blonde boy ? Im pretty damn prodigy for a five year old and no, I dont have a five year old kid either.

Illiterate much?

Its always been December 21 or 23, And 23 is my birthday, so fucking what, Its cool, it makes me smile but thats it, It aint winter solstice, it aint Christmas, I remember you, youcity, Youre the one with a complex, not me.

Let me educate you :

Both dates are used.. My Dell Horoscope mag uses the December 23rd, And here is a explanation from Great dreams .com

The canonical dates (according to Ehran the Scribe) on the ends of the Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth worlds are August 12, 3113 BCE (the fall of Atlantis), December 24, 2011 CE (the appearance of Ryumyo), and April 4, 7137 CE. This gives 5123-5125 years per mana cycle [1,871,270 days for the Fifth World’s duration, and 1,871,969 for the Sixth World’s]. The Mayan Long Count suggests 1.872M days, or 5125.36 years. It also seems that Ehran’s dates are a year late (0.0.0.0.0 should be August 11 or 12, 3114 BCE— the astronomical year –3113) and a year early (13.0.0.0.0 corresponds to December 21 or 23, 2012).

Really ? I have no idea , that's why I asking , just a feeling. Did you know that the DKS has been described as a "Black Monolith" like object , floating in space , obviously ?

So you still don't think theres any connection ?

One more thing , I found this which is interesting ,

"The cause was a rather unusual incident in the spring of 1960 which apparently gave the antisatellite proponents stronger justification for their arguments. The discovery of an “unknown satellite” by US tracking facilities forced White House officials to allow the further development of an inspection variant of the US Air Force’s Satellite Interceptor (SAINT) program."

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

ohnot saying it is not linkedcos it iswhat i was saying is it is not linked to the finality of saturn/black sun belief currently possessed by our lower ordersit is directly linked to raising our lower orders belief into, thus above, lower order current earth bound(magnetosphere boundary) belief

thusyou are correct

Quoting: aether

Ok, i wasn't really following the conversation and kinda just jumped in without reading much, yet, and thanks.

Quoting: YOUCITY 18850702

Yes, Saturn is also considered the Black Sun, the Black Cube. the Black Moorish King with the red lion and golden crown.