It's one of those cases where you just think "WTF, how in EARTH did this happen?"

Sounds like he had kidnapping fantasies and maybe the girlfriend did as well. It does sound as though the girlfriend was scared of him though and she described him as controlling. Not seen the news yet so not heard the family speak.

Rip Becky. I hope her Mum, Dad and Brother are able to come to terms now the case is over and find some peace. What it must be like for the Step Mum who has her Son, looks like grandchildren gone from her life, the loss of a stepdaughter and a heartbroken husband? I feel for the child and baby of the pair and their carers.

We live in Bristol and have a teenage daughter - really relieved that they have been found guilty but shocked that this dreadful crime has been committed in our city.It must be really difficult for the rest of the family though - they will need lots of support as they attempt to rebuild their lives.

Jeremy vine programme talking about this now. I was very interested to hear one commentator, and I didn't catch who he was sadly, say that the porn was significant and that it (porn or the specific violent porn they watched?) was basically men mistreating women and this needed to be addressed. He also said the word misogyny was extremely important. Jeremy of course did not take either comment further.

Hoare was also pregnant with twins at the time. I think she was 18 weeks pregnant. No one knows what has happened to them either. It was claimed a family member asked her and her reply was "I am no longer pregnant" but no one knows what has happened either termination, miscarriage or if they have been born.