Comentado por splunge

Comentado por Ciel

Comentado por zalas

Good for dps warriors in order to replace that red belt of battle... I know it has int, but it's also got ~20 more AP, 30 more hit, and a little bit more crit. Don't let this get sharded if you're still using RBoB

Comentado por geo123

Comentado por punkpinchy

I can't believe warriors are even chiming in on this. Its got Int on it...its DEFINITELY not for you. If there is any int using mail wearing class in your group, its absolutely absurd for you to even think about rolling/needing.

Comentado por ZPr13st

This belt drops ALL the time. Out of the 10 times ive ran this instance to try and get the Red Sword of Courage, this has dropped 8 of the 10 times. I'm sick and tired of it.

Comentado por geo123

You seem to have a rage issue, maybe a closet warrior. Attack Power + Hit Rating and Agility (converted to crit). Please explain why a warrior would not want this. The int is worthless, but really who cares. Not all groups contain mail containing classes, so it would be a shame to shard it rather than giving it to a class that would definately benefit from it.

Comentado por zalas

I must say, hunters who downrated me and geo123 have some serious issues. I never condoned the rolling against hunters for items that don't belong to a warrior. I know my stuff, and if this is going to be sharded, DONT LET IT. I'm not saying ninja it from a hunter/shamanSo hows about we treat people with respect on their opinions, instead of shooting them the finger because we want our lewts.

Edit: For the record, it is the best belt pre-raiding for dps warriors.

Comentado por faerr

Yes, give it to someone that needs it, but ONLY if there are no Hunters around. Anything else is nothing short of ninja looting!

Comentado por bpmike83

i just got this on my DK today. boy, is it ever nice! definitely an upgarde to what i was wearing before - Clasp of the Fallen Demi-God. i was happy that there were no huntards in the group :D

Comentado por Deepscar

This is also a very nice belt for enhancement shamans!

Comentado por lemmywinks

Pretty much every piece of mail gear obtainable through raids appears to have a chunk of haste on it, which is a poor stat for most classes, particularly BM hunters and death knights of all specs. If you get this belt, and you don't care about haste, you can be confident in the fact that you have the best in slot until you get to heroic raiding. So slap an Eternal Belt Buckle on that bad boy and grab your favorite gem.

PS, please don't bicker over who deserves an item. This is not Thottbot. People come to Wowhead for knowledge, not arguments.

Comentado por JamieG

The arugment that warriors shouldn't be allowed this item because it has intellect on it contridicts the argument that it is hunter only, as paladins use plate and mana.

This is like back in the day where prot paladins were shouted at for using "warrior gear" for tanking, i.e. tanking gear with a tad of strength on it, or rogues using feral pieces with some strength. If the item is better than the current item, there is every right to be allowed to roll on it. It's just a heroic.

Having said that, hunters and shamans -should- get "priority" over a warrior, paladin or DK, because of the availability of plate for these three classes.

Comentado por Mulgrim

Formerly the belt of David Bowie.

Comentado por geo123

Notice that all the plate wearers who are giving valid arguements for this item are being down rated and purged. So we are left with a bunch of huntards complaining that this is not a warrior/dk item with no counter points available. Since currently all such arguments are gone, would like to simply state that hit, + attack power, +agility (crit) are really nice stats for dps plate. If a rogue could wear mail you would bet they would roll on this and say screw the intelligence.

Comentado por tackaberry

This belt is currently giving 0.46% more crit than it should.

I recently picked up http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40275 and was trying to determine hit, crit, and such, when I noticed the change when I equipped it. First I thought that Depraved wasn't giving full stats as my crit only increased by 0.54% as opposed to 0.99% that RatingBuster suggested. Found that Depraved wasn't giving less stats, but Sovereign's was giving more.

So this is an even better belt than before.

Comentado por Vipersting

Very nice waist! I wouldn't think twice before needing this item. I also wouldn't think that it's starnge that an ench shaman would need on this. But a nice warrior would let the hunter get this item as it's a bigger uppgrade for the hunter cause of it's well-known intellect.But yeah, I admit that there aren't any better pre-raid belts for dps warriors so why shouldn't they need?

Comentado por frolex85

For all this arguing about plate wearers needing on this belt, i'm surprised pally's haven't been brought into the convo. Ret pally's can certainly benefit from all stats on this belt. Since most dps is coming from Auto attack, the haste is nice, int is useful seeing as we use mana and everything, plus all the basic dps stats are included.

Comentado por Nephandius

Ok, yes it makes sense for a warrior/Ret pally to roll on this. However, you shouldn't roll for it if there is a hunter in the group that needs it. Maybe your alternatives are about the same or slightly more or less than this, but you certainly have more choices than we do for alternatives. As a rule of thumb I don't roll against warriors for their weapons (since its just a stat stick for me) and I don't roll for leather if there is a rogue/druid present. If a hunter gets this, we're going to be using it for a long time, there really is only one upgrade with hit on it for us. But a warrior will wear this only until they find a plate piece with what they need. So do us a favor and pass for the hunter or we'll just go ahead and need all your weapons.

Comentado por Hammerskull

Slap one of those fancy blacksmithing buckles on it. Put in a meta-gem. Profit.

Comentado por muybien31

With shamans and hunters benefiting much more from agility than strength, it would appear that the stats on this belt are indeed geared for these classes. I can understand why it would be appealing for plate dps classes to want this, but realistically, you will get much more use out of an item like http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40688. Yes, I see the lack of hit on this piece as compared to http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37407. But, with all that strength and the ability to have two sockets on your waist item, you can more than make up for it. Also, collecting +hit items isn't supposed to be easy. In fact if it was simpler, you might as well compare it to playing The Sims... with cheat codes. That being said, if no one that the belt was designed for needed it, I wouldn't be opposed to another class taking it. I would mock them relentlessly for having to use shaman/hunter gear, but I wouldn't crap my pants and throw my mouse.

Comentado por codejunkie88

I was on my hunter and in here and a DK needed it because he said it was an upgrade from his plate belt. I told him he does not need the intellect and refused to believe that by saying this belt is made for a dk. Now I really didnt think some people could be this well i wont say.

Comentado por akridas

Sadly a DK... needed, rolled for this but -this time- luckily... won it for my hunter

The issue is that people are able to and keep rolling on gear that is NOT primarily for them

Conclusion is it has advantages and disadvantages, if one uses gear NOT intended for them

but they should never roll on an item when at least one in the raid/heroic need and can utilize to the maximum

Comentado por Zerkz

@ QQing Hunters. You have been rolling on gear that is absolutely worthless for you from the day this game was made.

The offended Hunters may now down rate my comment.

Comentado por Dragoncry

Still, this piece is primarily a Hunter belt, not as much for a Shaman. So, we hunters would appreciate the Shamans not rolling on us for it.

You've got to be kidding me. Have you read anything that was said? This benifits me as much as an enhancement shaman as it would a hunter. No where on this does it say "Hunter Armor". Lets look at the stats themselves.

51 Agility - Got to love agility. Gives me attack power (as much as a hunter, if I remember correctly) crit, haste, EVERYTHING that shaman needs. Really, I get as much out of this stat as you do.

+67 Stamina - Who doesn't like more hit points? I think this one explains itself.

+33 Intellect - Just like a hunter, I talent so that every point in intellect gives me another attack power. We're even there too. AND it gives me more crit. And more mana. And faster mana regen.

Improves hit rating by 43 (1.31% @ L80) - Like any melee, I need hit. You need hit. We all need to be able to hit the monster and not wonder why it is that even though the giant is the size of a small house, we seem to miss it. Hit benifits hunters and shamans.

Increases attack power by 132 - Attack power. I need every point of attack power as I can get. Because not only does attack power increase my melee damage, and increase my abilities. Attack power increases all of my SPELL damage as well, with each point I have increasing my spellpower. I don't roll on spellpower items as an ENHANCEMENT shaman, as spellpower is not my primary stat. Attack power, agility, and intellect are.

WHERE DOES IT SAY "THIS IS BETTER FOR HUNTERS"? Look, I need this, and I have NO problem rolling against a hunter for it, as a shaman. You are a classic example of 'either it's for hunters, or it's for everyone else' that got the running gag line "HUNTER WEAPON!" started.

Comentado por xhunterx

i just got this on my hunter, i just dinged him yesterday after 79 twinking!=)

anyway, 2nd try i finally got it! not great but not to bad for starting out either, 1st time i lost to a prot pally who claims he needs the stam/int/hit for tanking, and ap and agi are just some nice extras!:O was so angry, anyway i finally got it and its a great starting belt !=)