Oh yes, and did he win with it? He struggled. There were some Williams's cars in his way. Previous (my) point was, if the car is tuned up, and he becomes comfortable with it, he will rise from ashes, and even people like Clatter will be suprised. However even mighty Schumacher cannot turn utter dog into a contender. Nico's races are uninspiring, nothing to go by; I dismiss those.

This and next year he is not going to win WDC either, but he might take it on podium here and there, if possible at all. MGP is too far behind to close gap next year, unless miracle is in the offing, but that I doubt.

Oh yes, and did he win with it? He struggled. There were some Williams's cars in his way. Previous (my) point was, if the car is tuned up, and he becomes comfortable with it, he will rise from ashes, and even people like Clatter will be suprised. However even mighty Schumacher cannot turn utter dog into a contender. Nico's races are uninspiring, nothing to go by; I dismiss those.

He ws unable to challenge mainly because the car was so unreliable.

Anyway we saw him mount a serious challenge in 97 with a much inferior car to the Williams'.

He utterly dominated his team mate by a massive margin, won 3 races he shouldnt have and was universally regarded as the driver of the season. Sad to see him struggling so much these days, no speed, no race craft just crashing and being slow and then acting puzzled when its pretty clear the reasons for it. Hopefully he retires at the end of the year.

My last comment about Schumacher driving was at the beginning of this year and I said to my self that I will not comment until I will see some progress in case of his driving skills and in comparison to his team mate. There are still some problems in one quick lap, but races are stronger. So is there still someone who actually believes that Nick would still be a better solution for Mercedes F1 team as several of you have mentioned last year and at the beginning of this year?

My last comment about Schumacher driving was at the beginning of this year and I said to my self that I will not comment until I will see some progress in case of his driving skills and in comparison to his team mate. There are still some problems in one quick lap, but races are stronger. So is there still someone who actually believes that Nick would still be a better solution for Mercedes F1 team as several of you have mentioned last year and at the beginning of this year?

Funny you should compare Jos to Michael. I believe they have driven head to head in the same team during some year.. memory a bit lacking though, could you remind me who got out on top when they did?

Let's not go there. But he and Jos did kart a lot with each other, and I mean for years, and a LOT! And well.... Jos could overtake Schumi backwards in karts, it's no F1, no I know, but same material and stuff, little power compared to F1 of course, but karting is a bit close to racing and is loved by all f1 drivers, once was the only way to come into f1.

Let's not go there. But he and Jos did kart a lot with each other, and I mean for years, and a LOT! And well.... Jos could overtake Schumi backwards in karts, it's no F1, no I know, but same material and stuff, little power compared to F1 of course, but karting is a bit close to racing and is loved by all f1 drivers, once was the only way to come into f1.

That has never been true, but karting is the way the majority of drivers probably start their racing careers, no matter what the series.

Michael: chimneys on sidepods, gils,three holes for cooling on top of the sidepods. http://motorsport.ne...y-23jul/268.jpghttp://motorsport.ne...y-23jul/282.jpghttp://motorsport.ne...y-23jul/357.jpgThis is where Qualy difference came from. Maybe there was inside(car) difference too. For the race they both drive the car in Michael configuration, so I guess they have both different strategy for the Qualy and race. Michael use race configuration in Qualy and Nico used Qualy configuration in Qualy, if he use also race configuration they would be pretty close in Qualy.

... but I see his struggle with the equipment which has nothing to do with age; at least I do not think so.

This is an interesting idea and I believe you're being hasty in dismissing it. Perhaps if we saw Rosberg and Schumacher in an all-conquering Red Bull that is easier to drive, the order would be reversed and we would have a valid reason. Perhaps a difficult car exaggerates Schumachers elder reflexes.

I don't think Schumis reflexes are the problem. He was fine in the rain in Canada, and his start at Germany was very tidy.

I'm starting to think he just spent too long driving the Ferrari which became a car very specific for him, and now the car does not suit him at all and he is too old to unlearn everything he learnt over 10 years and develop a new style that works for these cars.

Why do some keep talking about schumacher as if he is being dominated by rosberg? It´s actually the other way around, from 4/5 races back, schum is quite a bit faster in race pace. Not to mention the HUGE racecraft difference. He´s a perfectly valid driver even at his age, and a good asset to the team. Who cares if he overdrives sometimes, and finishes 8th instead of 7th...

Why do some keep talking about schumacher as if he is being dominated by rosberg? It´s actually the other way around, from 4/5 races back, schum is quite a bit faster in race pace. Not to mention the HUGE racecraft difference. He´s a perfectly valid driver even at his age, and a good asset to the team. Who cares if he overdrives sometimes, and finishes 8th instead of 7th...

..... agreed. Look how many posts any thread with his name gets. See how many story's are done based on him. He's not done- and while Nico is still getting the better of him in qualifying, that's the only place where he is.

Are you two forgetting qualifying? The average gap between them so far this year is Michael being slower by +0.335s and he's only beaten Rosberg once. Also Rosberg has reached Q3 at every race with Michael doing so only 6 times out of 10. When did that ever happen in his previous career stint?

It is me, or are the so called "anti's" more happy with Michael's return than his fans? It seems to me to be like this.

And by antoher note, the man is old, and from the pre-Playstation era. I dare to say it here: EVEN I CAN BEAT MICHAEL ON A SIMULATOR GAME!

And Mark it, Dream it AND Believe it! Because you know it's true! Some bleu-ball on a forum on the interweb can beat the 7 time world champion, using buttons! He is not showing any talent in that this season.... (DRS / Boost button)

Are you two forgetting qualifying? The average gap between them so far this year is Michael being slower by +0.335s and he's only beaten Rosberg once. Also Rosberg has reached Q3 at every race with Michael doing so only 6 times out of 10. When did that ever happen in his previous career stint?

It's beyond dispute that MS is slower than 10 years ago, especially in qualifying, but from my point of view he's doing enough in the race to justify his being there. Rosberg is no donkey, but in the last half dozen races MS has been both faster and feistier.

I'm not worried about anything at this stage, the trend seems to be that he's caught up and is very quick in the races, he's pushing very hard with the car at hand and is extracting the maximum out of it -all that effort will pay off sooner or later.

Don't be so sure! Let's not forget in 1994 when JJ Lehto was his teammate Schumacher had steering wheel with many more buttons than JJ.... This was told by JJ some years back.

What "So what" ivan? it's highly important!

Well JohnRambo, I KNOW why that was, and Jos had the same problem. Those extra buttons where to activate secret option 13 in the software, which enabled Launch control (illegal in 1994) and also Traction control (also illegal in 1994) what gave Michael the edge to become worldchampion in that one single more buttoned (illegal) Benetton.

It determined the entire 1994 season, from beginning to end and other cheats that season by the same team and players also made Jos Verstappen a fried Burger.

Letho AND Jos spoke about it, Senna also, and one can add up one + one. In my book, Michael is NO 1994 Worldchampion, only and ONLY because of the way he took it.

His car was understeering like hell on low fuel and SS tyres. It took ages untill he could go on the throttle before T13.
Might pay off for tomorrow though but qualifying will be no joke, 8-12 is my guess.

Well JohnRambo, I KNOW why that was, and Jos had the same problem. Those extra buttons where to activate secret option 13 in the software, which enabled Launch control (illegal in 1994) and also Traction control (also illegal in 1994) what gave Michael the edge to become worldchampion in that one single more buttoned (illegal) Benetton.

It determined the entire 1994 season, from beginning to end and other cheats that season by the same team and players also made Jos Verstappen a fried Burger.

Letho AND Jos spoke about it, Senna also, and one can add up one + one. In my book, Michael is NO 1994 Worldchampion, only and ONLY because of the way he took it.

you speak some rubbish you know for a fact that the l;aunch control could only be turned on via a laptop connected to the car by an external connection...

it wasnt traction control and the investigatoras were happy it had never been used during a race go watch some of the races ffs you can clearly see some bad starts , alot of loss of traction in corners etc

you speak some rubbish you know for a fact that the l;aunch control could only be turned on via a laptop connected to the car by an external connection...

it wasnt traction control and the investigatoras were happy it had never been used during a race go watch some of the races ffs you can clearly see some bad starts , alot of loss of traction in corners etc

Don't waste your breath. Frans has had a pathalogical hatred of MS for at least a decade and probably much longer; no amount of reason, logic, evidence or common sense will even make a dent.