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Stop it, if anyone wants to actually discuss how an election fits into Godís providential power Iíd be more than willing to discuss that, but the reality is that he was merely wanting to boast about a presidential election which is beyond small time in my opinion.

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Again. Do not speak for everybody else. But it is typical for religion and religious nuts: speak for everybody else. Just because you are so imperfect and hope that religion will save you (or using it as an excuse to continue to be imperfect) does not mean you have to include everybody in it.

Again. Do not speak for everybody else. But it is typical for religion and religious nuts: speak for everybody else. Just because you are so imperfect and hope that religion will save you (or using it as an excuse to continue to be imperfect) does not mean you have to include everybody in it.

Sorry, the guilty claiming they are not guilty doesnít mean much. We are all owned by God and we have all broken His law so we therefore all deserve to suffer, youíre included in that ďallĒ.

Sorry, the guilty claiming they are not guilty doesnít mean much. We are all owned by God and we have all broken His law so we therefore all deserve to suffer, youíre included in that ďallĒ.

No we are not all owned by god. And I don't have broken any of his laws as they do not apply to me. If you feel like submitting to a fictional character than that is your business. I don't include myself in 'all'.

In your world you believe in God. For myself, he/she doesn't exist so everything else you say on this topic is nonsense.

With all due respect your reasoning above is total nonsense. You believing God doesnít exist in no way means that He magically no longer exists and you magically no longer belong to Him. Youíre like the child who pretends his Father doesnít exist in order to avoid a spanking.

Note that I wrote "myself" unlike you who is arrogant enough to use the words "we/all".

I am confident in my position, not arrogant. If God didnít exist though why would someone being arrogant be a bad thing? You atheists love to borrow your morality from us Christians, the only problem is that the very God you claim doesnít exist must exist in order for you to make any sense of the morality you borrowed from us.

Originally Posted by phins_4_ever

No we are not all owned by god. And I don't have broken any of his laws as they do not apply to me. If you feel like submitting to a fictional character than that is your business. I don't include myself in 'all'.

Itís not up to you, itís up to Him and He says we have all broken His laws. The creatures do not make up the rules, I am sorry.