• The Bengals wore their orange alts, and Bernard Scott marked the occasion by playing with his belt unbuckled. (And look, we all know the Bengals have different jersey cuts for different positions, but come on. [Screen shot courtesy of Jack Krabbe.])

• The Vikings wore their throwbacks. Can someone please steal their regular set so they can just wear these for the rest of the season? Thanks. Meanwhile, Adrian Peterson began the game bare-handed, but after fumbling in the first quarter he came out with purple gloves — first time all season he’s worn gloves. He later switched to a black set.

That thing I won’t stop talking about, update: Here’s the latest on those 1956 Portland Beavers striped undersleeves. According to Dave Eskenazi, who hepped me to this story in the first place, an opposing team protested the striped sleeves at some point during the ’56 season (presumably because the stripes could be distracting to a batter). The PCL office upheld the challenge, and one of Eskenazi’s sources says the team continued to wear the sleeves with red fabric patches covering the stripes until new solid-red sleeves could be procured.

The tragedy of this, of course, is that it’s unlikely that any of the striped-sleeve shirts survived in an unsullied state. Still, I’d love to see photos of the patched-over stripes. Eskenazi hopes to be able to comb through his source’s 1956 scrapbooks, which may yield further info and imagery — stay tuned.

Too Good to Get Buried in the Ticker: You know the famous 1928 Tigers road uni with the tiger’s head on the back? I’ve always been so fixated on the back that I’ve never paid much attention to the front. See how the letters seem to run slightly downhill? Turns out the declination was pretty significant! So rare to see a chest insignia running downhill like that.

That photo was provided by Bruce Menard. Interestingly, it’s not from 1928 — it’s from spring training of ’29. The Tigers would switch to a different road uni when the regular season started.

I showed the photo to uni designer Todd Radom, who of course had an even better photo of that uniform. “Whenever I see this jersey, I can’t help but wonder about the sobriety of whoever created it,” he says.

Membership Update: Recent enrollees in the Uni Watch Membership Program may have noticed that their names haven’t been added to the active roster page. The short version: When we upgraded the site’s architecture a month ago, we lost the ability to update that table (something to do with a plug-in). Johnny Ek is working on fixing it as we speak, so hang in there — we’ll get you all listed on the roster page soon.

Meanwhile, some great new designs have been added to the membership card gallery, including Martin Fox’s Wrigley Field outfield wall treatment, which falls outside our usual parameters but I allowed it because it was an inspired request. That’s easy for me to say, of course — turned out to be a lot of work for Scott. Thanks for persevering on that one, buddy.

Sponsor Shout-Out: Our friends at Distant Replays are running a one-day sale: 40% off college sports T-shirts (which brings the price down from $29 to $17.40). Enter the code CYBERT at checkout. Offer expires at midnight, Pacific time.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Good article about blue being the new black in the NHL (with thanks to Jonathan Trapp). ”¦ Here’s the new LZR swimsuit from Speedo (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). ”¦ Here’s a football uniform that probably would have ranked highly in Phil’s “Worst Uni Ever” poll — look. That’s from the European Federation of American Football (big thanks to Tim Friedrich). ”¦ Hey, check this out: a vintage Byron Nelson Classic jumpsuit. ”¦ Oooh, and dig this old Philly A’s elephant patch. ”¦ Gumball helmet maven Bill Jones knows I’m a fan of No Mas’s Jewboys tee, so look what he sent me! So cool. ”¦ Who’s that? It’s none other than our own Robert “RPM” Marshall and his better half, Kate Perryman, in Chicago’s Turkey Day parade. ”¦ Reprinted from Friday’s comments: Every team doing a blackout should be required to wear these socks. Actually, every team should be required to wear those socks, period. That’s Crystal Falls, a Michigan high school. ”¦ The Predators unveiled their new navy alts on Friday night. Lots of photos here, and a good article here (with thanks to Wade Harder for the article). ”¦ Jared Camden points out that both Alabama QBs wear McNOB, but with differing treatments for the “c”. ”¦ Cool soccer mask. That’s Aberdeen FC’s Davide Grassi, who’s nursing a triple cheekbone fracture (with thanks to Steven Taylor). ”¦ Single-digitized pitcher! That’s George Brunet of the Pirates — a real pitcher, not a position player — in 1970. Here’s a shot of when he was warming up for that appearance (big thanks to Dan Cichalski). ”¦ Mike Cooperman reports that the old 1980s Chisox logo is being put to good (if unauthorized) use by a California batting cage operation. ”¦ Lou Sherwood was watching a replay of the 1971 MLB All-Star Game and noticed that the batboys were wearing American and National League uniforms — faaaascinating! Also, from that same game: Dock Ellis wore a very odd-looking helmet. Anyone know more about that? ”¦ Buried at the bottom of this 1955 Yanks/Phils spring training game recap is the following note: “The Yankees will not be taking risks this season. They ordered a half-dozen protective helmets today. ‘I’ll wear one only when I face left-handers,’ Yogi Berra remarked.” Sounds like these were the first batting helmets the Yanks ever used (genius find by Morris Levin). ”¦ Having two players with the same uni number worked out well for South Carolina on Saturday (with thanks to Trevor Williams). ”¦ Michael Princip recently added these two awesome paintings to his collection. I particularly like the one on the right — Ollie Matson, as painted by Lon Keller (an illustrator I’ve written about in the past). ”¦ Absolutely tremendous footage of Tom Seaver’s first MLB game, on 4/13/67, here. Particularly notable because it shows (a) how starting pitchers at Shea used to warm up in front of the dugouts, not in the bullpen, (b) Shea’s short-lived green outfield wall with black distance markers, which only lasted one homestand in 1967 (best view of that begins at the 4:25 mark), (c) Seaver’s original roundhouse wind-up, which he streamlined soon thereafter, and (d) Jerry Grote finishing an inning by dribbling the ball to the Mets’ dugout side of the mound, so the opposing pitcher would have to walk a bit farther to retrieve it at the beginning of the next inning. Oh, and the video also shows how the Mets’ uniform is supposed to look, but you knew that already. ”¦ Michael Kinney wants to know why the football players at Wheaton Warrenville South High School in Illinois all wear a little “77” on their helmets. ”¦ Ethan Ritz, the Technical Operations Manager for the NFL Network, has graciously filled us in on the pom-pom microphones we’ve been seeing on the officials’ caps lately. “The microphone is a Sennheiser ME104, and the pom-poms are windscreens,” he explains. “The two mics are necessary because we broadcast in stereo. As you can see, the hats are retrofitted to carry the mic, and the transmitter goes onto the wearer’s belt. NBC uses the same setup.” … Mike Kennedy notes that Demaryius Thomas’s TV numbers appear to be positioned too far forward, especially when compared to his single-digit teammates.

In your face, chickenpox!: I’m officially back to normal health. Thanks to everyone who sent encouraging words during l’affaire du pox.

[quote comment=”364083″]Red Grange attended Wheaton High School (now merged) in IL and 77 was at least his pro number. Maybe it was his HS/College number as well. They named their field after him so I’m betting that’s it…[/quote]
Yes, it is for Red Grange. I know his #77 is retired for the Chicago Bears.

FormerDirtDart|
November 30, 2009 at 9:09 am |

Have to agree about the Falcons yesterday, thought they looked great. I immediately knew I would be reading about their socks this morning.
As a Jets fan, I do not care for the green/green, nor the white/white uniform sets. But, given that they won, I’m not going to complain

Jim Walaitis|
November 30, 2009 at 9:14 am |

The note about the pitcher dropping the ball so the opposing pitcher had to walk farther … makes me wonder about my Cubs, who – along with the Dodgers to my knowledge – are the only NL teams with home dugouts on the third base side of the field. This would mean signicantly more steps for every batter that doesn’t get past first base. Might not be a big deal over the course of a game, but how many extra steps would that relate to over a season?

aflfan|
November 30, 2009 at 9:14 am |

[quote comment=”364084″]Maybe I’m late to the party, but why are the refs’ microphones necessary in the first place? What are they picking up?[/quote]

My guess would be quaterback signals and sound of the game.

Eric S|
November 30, 2009 at 9:15 am |

“Having two players with the same uni number worked out well for South Carolina on Saturday (with thanks to Trevor Williams). ”

This seems intentionally deceptive. I know you can’t have 2 players with the same number on the field at the same time, but usually when a team lines up in the wildcat it’s obvious to the defense that a different player is taking the snap.

the rAKe|
November 30, 2009 at 9:16 am |

I believe that Doc Ellis (one of my all time favorite Buccos) batting helmet was a normal helmet with a black winter hat underneath. I remember a few Pirates doing this on cold weather games.

Hank|
November 30, 2009 at 9:18 am |

Fans really packed the house for Tom Terrific’s debut. Maybe it is the quality of the footage but that was an awful shade of green for the fence.

[quote comment=”364091″]I believe that Doc Ellis (one of my all time favorite Buccos) batting helmet was a normal helmet with a black winter hat underneath. I remember a few Pirates doing this on cold weather games.[/quote]

that’s bizarre…if that pic is from the 1971 ASG, (where reggie hit the light tower at tiger stadium)…according to hittracker, gametime temp was 90 degrees (!)…

why would dock be wearing long sleeves and a winter cap?

…UW mystery?

aflfan|
November 30, 2009 at 9:25 am |

[quote comment=”364095″][quote comment=”364091″]I believe that Doc Ellis (one of my all time favorite Buccos) batting helmet was a normal helmet with a black winter hat underneath. I remember a few Pirates doing this on cold weather games.[/quote]

that’s bizarre…if that pic is from the 1971 ASG, (where reggie hit the light tower at tiger stadium)…according to hittracker, gametime temp was 90 degrees (!)…

why would dock be wearing long sleeves and a winter cap?

…UW mystery?[/quote]

He was higher than the light tower?

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 9:29 am |

[quote comment=”364096″]

He was higher than the light tower?[/quote]

trust me, that thought crossed my mind immediately

scott|
November 30, 2009 at 9:34 am |

[quote comment=”364088″]The note about the pitcher dropping the ball so the opposing pitcher had to walk farther … makes me wonder about my Cubs, who – along with the Dodgers to my knowledge – are the only NL teams with home dugouts on the third base side of the field. This would mean signicantly more steps for every batter that doesn’t get past first base. Might not be a big deal over the course of a game, but how many extra steps would that relate to over a season?[/quote]

Arizona, Pittsburgh and San Francisco also have their dugouts on the 3B side. So you’re saying teams that have their dugouts on the 3B side should have players who are in better shape?

Mike|
November 30, 2009 at 9:40 am |

Re: Single-digit uni-numbers for pitchers. Until the Jays got rid of him, Josh Towers wore 7.
Most pics I’ve been able to find are on other blogs. But there is one here at

[quote comment=”364088″] Arizona, Pittsburgh and San Francisco also have their dugouts on the 3B side. So you’re saying teams that have their dugouts on the 3B side should have players who are in better shape?[/quote]

Wow! That many!?! I guess I haven’t paid attention since those parks opened. I’m not suggesting they’d be in better shape. I’m actually just trying to justify futility.

Marty|
November 30, 2009 at 9:42 am |

Sweet spiced pecans that card is gorgeous. Thanks for going the extra mile for me, it turned out fantastically!

I love the SD powder blues, but boy would it be nice to see the Chargers throw back to that Dan Fouts era uni.

Thomas Clark|
November 30, 2009 at 9:55 am |

I know my college team switched to the first base side dugout for one year when the starting line up featured 4 lefties and 2 switch hitters. The first base side allowed them to more easily time the pitcher from the on-deck circle.

I’d venture in the case of the MLB teams that it has more to do with sun lines maybe?

Juggernaut|
November 30, 2009 at 10:00 am |

I may be alone in this, but the Orange Bengals unis are somewhat (and I use that term loosely) tolerable. It’d be great if they used less black in their unis and worked the orange more, all while getting rid of the Arena League look. If I had any artistic talent I’d make something myself.

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 10:02 am |

Three solid reasons why it would make sense if the Bengals ditched the black jerseys and pants, and went with orange and white as their primary color scheme.

1. They would be the only NFL team with orange as primary color.
2. It would give them, finally, clear visual identity from the Browns.
3. Zoologically speaking, a tiger is an orange and white animal with black stripes (orange and white, combined, cover a far greater percentage of its body).
4. It looks really good (okay, #4 was added late, and is subjective. LOL)

That would, I know, fly in the face of their Super Bowl seasons when black was primary. But they’re certainly playing better than they have in years, and brighter unis would do a lot to signify the brighter outlook. Also kinda suggest that the recent “thug” days were behind them.

Just thinking out loud.

—Ricko

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 10:05 am |

2. It would give them, finally, clear visual identity from the Browns….and, thesedays the Bearcats, too.

Do people look at old photos and really think the Falcons’ 1966 socks had one white stripe and one wider red stripe and that was it? Do they not realize it looked that way because the crew socks covered part of the NW style stripes on the stirrups? Stripes that matched the jersey sleeves, btw.

I like to think they know today’s players aren’t gonna wear crews so they create one-piece socks to approximate the “look.” I like to think that. Because I’d rather not think they were so uni-history-lacking that they didn’t know about, or see, crew socks.

—Ricko

Fight|
November 30, 2009 at 10:37 am |

[quote comment=”364085″]maybe it’s been discussed before and i just missed it, but i noticed yesterday the black on the bengal’s pant striping stops and around the hip, it’s just orange surrounded by white.

what’s up with that?[/quote]
Sean,
I didn’t see anyone answer the question, I think that it has to do with the white stripe on the side of the jersey. IIRC they wanted the black stripes to kind of fade into the white panel. I am not 100% sure that this is the reason for the funky coloring, I could be (and am often) wrong.

Jules|
November 30, 2009 at 10:39 am |

MICHAEL VICK

Why is the eagle logo on his sleeves smaller than those on other player’s jerseys?

Jerry Grote ALWAYS rolled the ball toward the foul line on the Mets’ dugout side of the mound; but, interestingly, Seaver often intercepted the rolling ball with his glove and flipped it back toward the mound, undoing Grote’s tactic.

Paul — glad you are back to good health!

Dan|
November 30, 2009 at 11:04 am |

Another odd thing about Demaryius Thomas’s jersey: his NOB said “B. Thomas.”

It is great that a lot of people were watching the airings of all the old baseball programming on MLB Network and ESPN Classic!

I was watching, too, and I also noticed George Brunet’s single-digit number, as well as the batboys with “American” and “National”! And I saw one other single-digit pitcher — in the 1947 World Series film, I saw Dodger pitcher Hal Gregg wearing no. 8.

I noticed several other uni oddities as well. The most interesting was the Yankees’ switch in 1953 away from the modern “NY” insignia to a 1930’s-style insignia, and from block numerals to “Red Sox” numerals (but only on the road).

There were several teams (in addition to the 1953 Yankees) with differing number fonts on the road versus at home, not to mention a few screw-ups where teammates on the field at the same time sported different number fonts. (I’m looking at you, 1953 Dodgers.)

UmpLou|
November 30, 2009 at 11:17 am |

Re George Brunet: All readers of Ball Four are not surprised to see no panty line in his uni pants too…..

Although I was lucky enough see one. Stopped at Lake Louise driving from Vancouver back to Twin Cites and—ta-da!–the local Constable was getting married on the veranda of the Chateau Lake Louise. Wonderful site: early autumn colors changing from green to gold and orange, the Constable in his red uni standing with his white-gowned bride, the lake and the snow capped Rockies in the background. Was like being in Canada or something. :)

—Ricko

—Ricko

Mike|
November 30, 2009 at 11:26 am |

Demaryius Thomas’ B on his jersey stands for his nickname, “bay-bay”

JimV19|
November 30, 2009 at 11:30 am |

From last night:

The Division II football semifinals are set for next weekend. California, PA visits Northwest Missouri State, while Carson-Newman takes on Grand Valley State.

[quote comment=”364127″]Demaryius Thomas’ B on his jersey stands for his nickname, “bay-bay”[/quote]

nobody puts baybay in a corner

leon|
November 30, 2009 at 11:44 am |

Jimv
Really enjoyed your pix.
Not to pee in your Wheaties but the “no-frills approach” at midfield is, in my mind, lost amongst the eight adverts encircling it. Effective though:the word “RONA” (whatever that is) is now in my vocabulary.
Just pickingnit-enjoyed the photos.
:)

http://static.cdn.mr…
I like the no-frills approach of the CFL. Just a Grey Cup logo at midfield. Otherwise the rest of the field remained unchanged.

leon|
November 30, 2009 at 11:45 am |

Now that Al Groh has been fired at UVa…what do you guys think of thier uniforms??

Thanks Mickel, that Largent painting was used for the front cover of a 1982 Gameday program. The actual photo is from a shot of Largent in 1979, where he’s actually wearing black shoes, however, in 1982 the Hawks were wearing white shoes, hence the change in the painting.

Both of these paintings came from the David Boss Estate. So, makes it that much more spectacular for me.

Great story on Ollie Matson there within the hyperlinks. There were two versions of this painting. Originally, as a USF Don, then, a Chicago Cardinal. The latter, I assume was done over the CMYK final proof sheets? Both can be seen in the Illustrated NFL Artists page @ Lon Keller.

Mark W|
November 30, 2009 at 11:48 am |

The Seaver/Shea/Mets video is way cool…

So, was it the standard practice for a pitcher to warm up for a game from flat ground? As opposed to pitching off of a mound.

Looking at the video, there doesn’t appear to be a mound for him to be throwing off of. And if there was, wouldn’t it be a trip hazard for the catcher and runners?

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 11:49 am |

[quote comment=”364134″]Now that Al Groh has been fired at UVa…what do you guys think of thier uniforms??[/quote]

i really believe we can lift the “no discussing unis until the coach is fired” sanction

JimV19|
November 30, 2009 at 11:52 am |

[quote comment=”364137″]Jimv
Really enjoyed your pix.
Not to pee in your Wheaties but the “no-frills approach” at midfield is, in my mind, lost amongst the eight adverts encircling it. Effective though:the word “RONA” (whatever that is) is now in my vocabulary.
Just pickingnit-enjoyed the photos.
:)

http://static.cdn.mr…
I like the no-frills approach of the CFL. Just a Grey Cup logo at midfield. Otherwise the rest of the field remained unchanged.[/quote]

Yeah, I definitely could do without the ads…except for the Tim Horton’s ones. Mmmm, donuts…

I think RONA’s a Home Depot-like store.

By no-frills, I just meant that the league celebrates the game, but doesn’t go all-out with the decorations. Besides, those endzones are awfully big to paint for one game. Maybe paint a couple of helmets in the corners or something.

They used to put Grey Cup logos in the endzones, and back in the 50s they had striped endzones with the logos as well. Pretty cool. I’ll have to look for photos later.

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 11:54 am |

[quote comment=”364138″]Now that Al Groh has been fired at UVa…what do you guys think of thier uniforms??

The same thing I thought before he got fired.[/quote]

Yup, underestimated, great looking uni. Just don’t see it much cuz Cavaliers haven’t done so well lately. Sort of a traditional take on the Broncos. And don’t start with “you want everyone to be traditional.” I’ve said more than once that i LIKE the Broncos unis (except for mono navy combo).

—Ricko

leon|
November 30, 2009 at 11:59 am |

[quote comment=”364143″][quote comment=”364138″]Now that Al Groh has been fired at UVa…what do you guys think of thier uniforms??

The same thing I thought before he got fired.[/quote]

Yup, underestimated, great looking uni. Just don’t see it much cuz Cavaliers haven’t done so well lately. Sort of a traditional take on the Broncos. And don’t start with “you want everyone to be traditional.” I’ve said more than once that i LIKE the Broncos unis (except for mono navy combo).

—Ricko[/quote]
UVa’s endzones were excellent too, speaking of the Broncos. (see if i can find pix)

[quote comment=”364142″]
I think RONA’s a Home Depot-like store.[/quote]

Canadian-based massive hardware chain. They are just as, if not more, popular than Home Depot. They usually bring in Canadian-made stuff for cheaper than Home Depot’s American-bought, imported-to-Canada stuff, so they win a lot of people over on price alone.

JimV19|
November 30, 2009 at 12:11 pm |

[quote comment=”364142″][quote comment=”364137″]Jimv
Really enjoyed your pix.
Not to pee in your Wheaties but the “no-frills approach” at midfield is, in my mind, lost amongst the eight adverts encircling it. Effective though:the word “RONA” (whatever that is) is now in my vocabulary.
Just pickingnit-enjoyed the photos.
:)

http://static.cdn.mr…
I like the no-frills approach of the CFL. Just a Grey Cup logo at midfield. Otherwise the rest of the field remained unchanged.[/quote]

Yeah, I definitely could do without the ads…except for the Tim Horton’s ones. Mmmm, donuts…

I think RONA’s a Home Depot-like store.

By no-frills, I just meant that the league celebrates the game, but doesn’t go all-out with the decorations. Besides, those endzones are awfully big to paint for one game. Maybe paint a couple of helmets in the corners or something.

They used to put Grey Cup logos in the endzones, and back in the 50s they had striped endzones with the logos as well. Pretty cool. I’ll have to look for photos later.[/quote]

[quote comment=”364146″][quote comment=”364142″]
I think RONA’s a Home Depot-like store.[/quote]

Canadian-based massive hardware chain. They are just as, if not more, popular than Home Depot. They usually bring in Canadian-made stuff for cheaper than Home Depot’s American-bought, imported-to-Canada stuff, so they win a lot of people over on price alone.[/quote]

So, was it the standard practice for a pitcher to warm up for a game from flat ground? As opposed to pitching off of a mound.[/quote]

Correct. There was a rubber, but it wasn’t on a raised mound. This was standard practice at most MLB ballparks — if you watch “When It Was a Game,” you’ll see lots of pitchers warming up in front of the dugouts prior to games.

Our friends at Distant Replays are running a one-day sale: 40% off college sports T-shirts (which brings the price down from $29 to $17.40). Enter the code CYBERT at checkout. Offer expires at midnight, Pacific time.

Canadian-based massive hardware chain. They are just as, if not more, popular than Home Depot. They usually bring in Canadian-made stuff for cheaper than Home Depot’s American-bought, imported-to-Canada stuff, so they win a lot of people over on price alone.[/quote]

Although I was lucky enough see one. Stopped at Lake Louise driving from Vancouver back to Twin Cites and—ta-da!–the local Constable was getting married on the veranda of the Chateau Lake Louise. Wonderful site: early autumn colors changing from green to gold and orange, the Constable in his red uni standing with his white-gowned bride, the lake and the snow capped Rockies in the background. Was like being in Canada or something. :)

—Ricko

—Ricko[/quote]
sounds like they may have been filming a scene for the Duddly DoRight sequel.

Chris|
November 30, 2009 at 12:23 pm |

Isn’t it funny how we as a collective whole don’t like the monochromatic look in some sports but totally accept it in others. Like a football team comes out in all red and it looks horrible most of the time, but all red in basketball is totally fine. Imagine if a basketball team had a white jersey and red shorts what people would think!

Obviously, it has a lot to to with what is traditionally accepted from sport to sport, but still.

Canadian-based massive hardware chain. They are just as, if not more, popular than Home Depot. They usually bring in Canadian-made stuff for cheaper than Home Depot’s American-bought, imported-to-Canada stuff, so they win a lot of people over on price alone.[/quote]

How do they keep China out of that loop?[/quote]

The same way you do: buy local.[/quote]
It’s still manufactured in China

Bill Radocy|
November 30, 2009 at 12:26 pm |

Cool footage of Tom Seaver’s first game……..but check out all the empty seats! Ah, the fickleness of New Yorkers…….

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

hey…in that wonderful video of tom terrific’s first game…

did anyone catch what appears to be seaver’s FIRST ever k…and grote calls time, then kinda indicates to tom “you want to keep the ball?” and seaver’s like “just gimme the damn ball” which he proceeds to throw to the next hitter like nothing big happened?

Although I was lucky enough see one. Stopped at Lake Louise driving from Vancouver back to Twin Cites and—ta-da!–the local Constable was getting married on the veranda of the Chateau Lake Louise. Wonderful site: early autumn colors changing from green to gold and orange, the Constable in his red uni standing with his white-gowned bride, the lake and the snow capped Rockies in the background. Was like being in Canada or something. :)

—Ricko

—Ricko[/quote]
Awesome endzone! I think the 74′-75 Virginia Squires had that diamond motif on their unis. Let me locate a picture of that…

jclif6|
November 30, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

Yeah sorry about the “now that groh has been fired thing” just a way to get a convo started i guess…

and yeah i believe that the blue over white pants is one of the best looking uniforms in all of college football

NickW|
November 30, 2009 at 12:31 pm |

Regarding baseball teams choosing first or third base at home, Craig Robinson did one his graphics on that very subject.

[quote comment=”364157″]hey…in that wonderful video of tom terrific’s first game…

did anyone catch what appears to be seaver’s FIRST ever k…and grote calls time, then kinda indicates to tom “you want to keep the ball?” and seaver’s like “just gimme the damn ball” which he proceeds to throw to the next hitter like nothing big happened?

Somewhere in there there’s a joke about wondering if some teams figure that on the road their players have enough trouble knowing their ass from third base, much less a dugout, so at home they opt for first base…but I can’t quite put it together for the life of me.

The Blue Jays have their dugout on the third base side because at Exhibition Stadium, the scoreboard was in right field, way down at the end of the football field, and couldn’t be seen from the first base dugout. When they moved to Skydome, they kept the familiar.

DenverGregg|
November 30, 2009 at 12:55 pm |

[quote comment=”364134″]Now that Al Groh has been fired at UVa…what do you guys think of thier uniforms??

I believe that they have one of the most underrated uniform set in the NCAA.[/quote]
Very nice uni – easily best in conference. Probably among the top ten in I-A (that list also would include, in no particular order, Michigan State, Marshall, Colorado State, South Florida, Central Florida, Vanderbilt, Texas, Auburn and Michigan).

Paul, glad the port-braised onions got you back to health. Port is the not-so-secret ingredient to the best cranberry sauce too.

jclif6|
November 30, 2009 at 12:58 pm |

[quote comment=”364164″][quote comment=”364134″]Now that Al Groh has been fired at UVa…what do you guys think of thier uniforms??

I believe that they have one of the most underrated uniform set in the NCAA.[/quote]
Very nice uni – easily best in conference. Probably among the top ten in I-A (that list also would include, in no particular order, Michigan State, Marshall, Colorado State, South Florida, Central Florida, Vanderbilt, Texas, Auburn and Michigan).

Paul, glad the port-braised onions got you back to health. Port is the not-so-secret ingredient to the best cranberry sauce too.[/quote]

theres a question/poll…what teams are in your top 10 or so in uniform sets?

bill|
November 30, 2009 at 12:59 pm |

[quote comment=”364091″]I believe that Doc Ellis (one of my all time favorite Buccos) batting helmet was a normal helmet with a black winter hat underneath. I remember a few Pirates doing this on cold weather games.[/quote]

I am not sure why the helmet looks so peculiar but I am also not convinced the picture is from the 1971 All-Star Game. Pirate uniform looks too white to be the road version.

Kevin|
November 30, 2009 at 1:03 pm |

Not to engage in recidivism, but has anyone commented on Ocho Cinco’s different helmets? I know he alternates between a Schutt Pro Air, Riddell VS4, and a Riddell Revolution, but I saw a picture of him this week wearing what appeared to be a Schutt Ion. Is there any story behind this or is it just Eight-Five being his typical ass-clownish self? AND has he sported a Revo Speed or Xenith 1 yet?

Pete|
November 30, 2009 at 1:09 pm |

There is some controversy with the Wheaton-Warrenville South use of the Red Grange history.

Red Grange attended Wheaton HS, which later was named Wheaton Central HS, when Wheaton North opened.

Later, Wheaton Warrenville HS opened, then after a few years, closed.

Later, Wheaton Central needed new space, so Wheaton Warrenville South opened again. But since the tradition was at Wheaton Central, they brought all that to the new school.

“Red Grange never went there, Red Grange never played there” that’s pretty much all you have to say to start a fight there.

[quote comment=”364168″]Not to engage in recidivism, but has anyone commented on Ocho Cinco’s different helmets? I know he alternates between a Schutt Pro Air, Riddell VS4, and a Riddell Revolution, but I saw a picture of him this week wearing what appeared to be a Schutt Ion. Is there any story behind this or is it just Eight-Five being his typical ass-clownish self? AND has he sported a Revo Speed or Xenith 1 yet?[/quote]

[quote comment=”364171″][quote comment=”364168″]Not to engage in recidivism, but has anyone commented on Ocho Cinco’s different helmets? I know he alternates between a Schutt Pro Air, Riddell VS4, and a Riddell Revolution, but I saw a picture of him this week wearing what appeared to be a Schutt Ion. Is there any story behind this or is it just Eight-Five being his typical ass-clownish self? AND has he sported a Revo Speed or Xenith 1 yet?[/quote]

[quote comment=”364173″][quote comment=”364171″][quote comment=”364168″]Not to engage in recidivism, but has anyone commented on Ocho Cinco’s different helmets? I know he alternates between a Schutt Pro Air, Riddell VS4, and a Riddell Revolution, but I saw a picture of him this week wearing what appeared to be a Schutt Ion. Is there any story behind this or is it just Eight-Five being his typical ass-clownish self? AND has he sported a Revo Speed or Xenith 1 yet?[/quote]

[quote comment=”364154″]Isn’t it funny how we as a collective whole don’t like the monochromatic look in some sports but totally accept it in others. Like a football team comes out in all red and it looks horrible most of the time, but all red in basketball is totally fine. Imagine if a basketball team had a white jersey and red shorts what people would think!

Obviously, it has a lot to to with what is traditionally accepted from sport to sport, but still.[/quote]

I have often thought about that.

However, I wouldn’t be caught dead wearing monochrome while playing pick-up ball.

[quote comment=”364175″][quote comment=”364154″]Isn’t it funny how we as a collective whole don’t like the monochromatic look in some sports but totally accept it in others. Like a football team comes out in all red and it looks horrible most of the time, but all red in basketball is totally fine. Imagine if a basketball team had a white jersey and red shorts what people would think!

Obviously, it has a lot to to with what is traditionally accepted from sport to sport, but still.[/quote]

I have often thought about that.

However, I wouldn’t be caught dead wearing monochrome while playing pick-up ball.

[quote comment=”364167″][quote comment=”364091″]I believe that Doc Ellis (one of my all time favorite Buccos) batting helmet was a normal helmet with a black winter hat underneath. I remember a few Pirates doing this on cold weather games.[/quote]

I am not sure why the helmet looks so peculiar but I am also not convinced the picture is from the 1971 All-Star Game. Pirate uniform looks too white to be the road version.[/quote]

Just a reminder for anyone wanting to hang Christmas stirrups by the fireplace – make sure you sew the bottoms closed.

tinstar|
November 30, 2009 at 1:54 pm |

I can’t even watch the Eagles in the black alts… the way they clash with the green helmets and white pants activates some OCD and gives me a panic attack. As a die-hard Falcons fan, I would give ANYTHING to have them go to those unis full time. I use to spend a fortune on their merch, but not a dime since they redid the logo and went modern.

Somewhere in there there’s a joke about wondering if some teams figure that on the road their players have enough trouble knowing their ass from third base, much less a dugout, so at home they opt for first base…but I can’t quite put it together for the life of me.

—Ricko[/quote]

I seem to recall a team upgrading their stadium and greatly improving the visitor’s Locker Room so it was now much nicer than the Home Team’s locker room, so they switched dugouts at the same time. I couldn’t possibly remember which team that was, though.

Mark K|
November 30, 2009 at 2:03 pm |

[quote comment=”364180″]

The lax team very nicely substitutes two sticks in place of the swords:

indeed…part of the definition of “baybay” from UD: “This is the begginning of the phase of becoming a thug.”

nice :([/quote]

The Urban Dictionary isn’t very diplomatic or Politically Correct at all.

Nonetheless, the name itself that is referenced has an awful connotation, thus I am VERY surprised that someone would :
A. use it as a nickname
B. Reference it on a nameplate

It is akin to someone using the stagename Ol’ Dirty Bastard”.

leon|
November 30, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

There was a player at Georgetown in the late 70’s named John “Bay Bay” Duren. Not sure if that’s relevant to this discussion, but only place I had heard that name before.

Brian|
November 30, 2009 at 2:13 pm |

i swore i saw someone was making “ali, bumaye” t-shirts. anyone know what website has them?

Rich Grady|
November 30, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

Paul: I love your website and always look forward to your columns. A small correction to the ticker section for 11/30. The high school football team with the fantastic socks is actually the Forest Park High School Trojans. The school is located in Crystal Falls, Michigan, in the Upper Peninsula, but it serves a number of surrounding communities.

Bob Loblaw|
November 30, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

[quote comment=”364181″][quote comment=”364167″][quote comment=”364091″]I believe that Doc Ellis (one of my all time favorite Buccos) batting helmet was a normal helmet with a black winter hat underneath. I remember a few Pirates doing this on cold weather games.[/quote]

I am not sure why the helmet looks so peculiar but I am also not convinced the picture is from the 1971 All-Star Game. Pirate uniform looks too white to be the road version.[/quote]

And for Paul, Joe Torre properly wearing his stripes[/quote]
Man, i miss seeing the cap worn under the batting helmet. that must be extinct by nearly 25 years!

JimV19|
November 30, 2009 at 2:18 pm |

[quote comment=”364166″][quote comment=”364164″][quote comment=”364134″]Now that Al Groh has been fired at UVa…what do you guys think of thier uniforms??

I believe that they have one of the most underrated uniform set in the NCAA.[/quote]
Very nice uni – easily best in conference. Probably among the top ten in I-A (that list also would include, in no particular order, Michigan State, Marshall, Colorado State, South Florida, Central Florida, Vanderbilt, Texas, Auburn and Michigan).

Paul, glad the port-braised onions got you back to health. Port is the not-so-secret ingredient to the best cranberry sauce too.[/quote]

theres a question/poll…what teams are in your top 10 or so in uniform sets?[/quote]

Just a reminder for anyone wanting to hang Christmas stirrups by the fireplace – make sure you sew the bottoms closed.[/quote]
Kenny,

is that a 69-70 NY Ranger sock pattern?

Justin|
November 30, 2009 at 2:24 pm |

The Vikings HAVE GOT TO STICK WITH THAT THROWBACK SET!!! IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER. They must be thinking about changing to this set because they’ve been doing it for the last 2 seasons. (kind of like what the 49ers, 76ers, etc. did)

MatZamboni|
November 30, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

Hey Uniwatchers, maybe they’ve been around for a while, but I saw an NFL player (can’t remember the teams/game) yesterday with a three-buckle chinstrap. Is that a new thing?

Bob Loblaw|
November 30, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

Unfortunately, JimV’s top 10 collegiate football unis is the only top 10 list my syracuse Oman are good for these days.

And those uni would have to be from the McPherson/Graves/McNabb glory days.

War Damn Eagle|
November 30, 2009 at 2:25 pm |

need some help from the Uniwatch linguistics department. the expos’ 97 jackie robinson patch had the phrase “AU-DELA DES BARRIERES” on it, rather than the “Breaking Barriers” that other teams wore. How would you spell out that French phrase using both capital and lower case letters? Is the D in capitalized in either DELA or DES?

JimV19|
November 30, 2009 at 2:27 pm |

[quote comment=”364183″]I can’t even watch the Eagles in the black alts… the way they clash with the green helmets and white pants activates some OCD and gives me a panic attack. As a die-hard Falcons fan, I would give ANYTHING to have them go to those unis full time. I use to spend a fortune on their merch, but not a dime since they redid the logo and went modern.[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong – I dislike what the Eagles wore, and I like the Falcons throwbacks, but they both have a colored helmet, black jerseys and white pants. If you think the Eagles clash, don’t the Falcons? Not picking on you, just curious. With me it’s because the Eagles did Black For Black’s Sake.

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 2:28 pm |

[quote comment=”364197″]The Vikings HAVE GOT TO STICK WITH THAT THROWBACK SET!!! IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER. They must be thinking about changing to this set because they’ve been doing it for the last 2 seasons. (kind of like what the 49ers, 76ers, etc. did)[/quote]

Yup, just when I can say I’m sorta getting used the new ones, they trot out those babies and the process starts all over again.

[quote comment=”364174″][quote comment=”364173″][quote comment=”364171″][quote comment=”364168″]Not to engage in recidivism, but has anyone commented on Ocho Cinco’s different helmets? I know he alternates between a Schutt Pro Air, Riddell VS4, and a Riddell Revolution, but I saw a picture of him this week wearing what appeared to be a Schutt Ion. Is there any story behind this or is it just Eight-Five being his typical ass-clownish self? AND has he sported a Revo Speed or Xenith 1 yet?[/quote]

[quote comment=”364203″][quote comment=”364174″][quote comment=”364173″][quote comment=”364171″][quote comment=”364168″]Not to engage in recidivism, but has anyone commented on Ocho Cinco’s different helmets? I know he alternates between a Schutt Pro Air, Riddell VS4, and a Riddell Revolution, but I saw a picture of him this week wearing what appeared to be a Schutt Ion. Is there any story behind this or is it just Eight-Five being his typical ass-clownish self? AND has he sported a Revo Speed or Xenith 1 yet?[/quote]

did anyone catch what appears to be seaver’s FIRST ever k…and grote calls time, then kinda indicates to tom “you want to keep the ball?” and seaver’s like “just gimme the damn ball” which he proceeds to throw to the next hitter like nothing big happened?

JimV19 said: \”If you think the Eagles clash, don’t the Falcons?\” The Eagles\’ green helmets are too close to black, in my opinion…. but are green…. they look fine matched with the same green color, but with the black, it\’s like somebody didn\’t bother to stand back and look at the whole ensemble. Atlanta\’s bright red on black have nice contrast. The \”black for black\’s sake\” is also a factor that drives me up the wall. I thought we were over that, but I guess the kids still love it.

DenverGregg|
November 30, 2009 at 2:42 pm |

[quote comment=”364195″][quote comment=”364166″][quote comment=”364164″][quote comment=”364134″]Now that Al Groh has been fired at UVa…what do you guys think of thier uniforms??

I believe that they have one of the most underrated uniform set in the NCAA.[/quote]
Very nice uni – easily best in conference. Probably among the top ten in I-A (that list also would include, in no particular order, Michigan State, Marshall, Colorado State, South Florida, Central Florida, Vanderbilt, Texas, Auburn and Michigan).

Paul, glad the port-braised onions got you back to health. Port is the not-so-secret ingredient to the best cranberry sauce too.[/quote]

theres a question/poll…what teams are in your top 10 or so in uniform sets?[/quote]

Those also receiving votes: Nebraska, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Tulane, Virginia, FSU, Colorado State, Western Michigan and West Virginia.[/quote]
Jim – I like green, I like gold, I like ’em together too (though I left out Baylor and UAB with that combo). But your list is completely dominated by teams with shoulder loops (or, in their current state, captain’s bars or equal signs).

SteelerVandal|
November 30, 2009 at 2:45 pm |

Don’t know if this has been looked into but I was noticing over the weekend that some teams use the same font for the jersey numbers and their helmet numbers, while others do not. Any idea why?

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

[quote comment=”364209″]JimV19 said: \”If you think the Eagles clash, don’t the Falcons?\” The Eagles\’ green helmets are too close to black, in my opinion…. but are green…. they look fine matched with the same green color, but with the black, it\’s like somebody didn\’t bother to stand back and look at the whole ensemble. Atlanta\’s bright red on black have nice contrast. The \”black for black\’s sake\” is also a factor that drives me up the wall. I thought we were over that, but I guess the kids still love it.[/quote]

In some slight defense of the Eagles, they did actually change the team colors. Darkened the green, dropped the silver (virtually so, anyway) and added black.

Not like, y’know, others. Oh, say, that one New York baseball team, the ones with the rich and creamy new home alts, kinda the color of rice cakes.

Very trendy.

—Ricko

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 2:48 pm |

[quote comment=”364201″][quote comment=”364183″]I can’t even watch the Eagles in the black alts… the way they clash with the green helmets and white pants activates some OCD and gives me a panic attack. As a die-hard Falcons fan, I would give ANYTHING to have them go to those unis full time. I use to spend a fortune on their merch, but not a dime since they redid the logo and went modern.[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong – I dislike what the Eagles wore, and I like the Falcons throwbacks, but they both have a colored helmet, black jerseys and white pants. If you think the Eagles clash, don’t the Falcons? Not picking on you, just curious. With me it’s because the Eagles did Black For Black’s Sake.[/quote]

the problem with the eagles, and which apparently both THE jeff and ricko like…

is that the helmet and black jersey are very close to each other, on the color spectrum; the red helmet, OTOH, does not clash with the jersey as the two are distinctly different colors…and i agree with tinstar….

[quote comment=”364211″]Don’t know if this has been looked into but I was noticing over the weekend that some teams use the same font for the jersey numbers and their helmet numbers, while others do not. Any idea why?[/quote]

Goes back to the ’50s, when helmet number first came along. Generally there were two fonts and two colors (white and black) available from decal manufactures, and nobody went to the expense of custom work.

So, for the longest time helmet numbers were not considered part of the overall design…because they couldn’t be. That look just became so common that no one was bothered much by the differing fonts. And many still aren’t, simply because it’s been that way as long as there have been helmet numbers.

Best answer you’re gonna get. Cuz it’s true.

—Ricko

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 3:02 pm |

[quote comment=”364213″][quote comment=”364201″][quote comment=”364183″]I can’t even watch the Eagles in the black alts… the way they clash with the green helmets and white pants activates some OCD and gives me a panic attack. As a die-hard Falcons fan, I would give ANYTHING to have them go to those unis full time. I use to spend a fortune on their merch, but not a dime since they redid the logo and went modern.[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong – I dislike what the Eagles wore, and I like the Falcons throwbacks, but they both have a colored helmet, black jerseys and white pants. If you think the Eagles clash, don’t the Falcons? Not picking on you, just curious. With me it’s because the Eagles did Black For Black’s Sake.[/quote]

the problem with the eagles, and which apparently both THE jeff and ricko like…

is that the helmet and black jersey are very close to each other, on the color spectrum; the red helmet, OTOH, does not clash with the jersey as the two are distinctly different colors…and i agree with tinstar….

Point of clarification (LOL). I said I think it works with the green pants, because it’s a more interesting all-dark than monochrome. Didn’t say was a big favorite, just that I like it more than I thought I would.

Was wondering last night about something similar: Would the Seahawks mono Blue-Gray-Green actually have a bit more, I dunno “snap”, if they wore the navy pants created to wear with the neon jerseys? Hard to say, cuz would give ’em a leotard look, wouldn’t it.

[quote comment=”364198″]Hey Uniwatchers, maybe they’ve been around for a while, but I saw an NFL player (can’t remember the teams/game) yesterday with a three-buckle chinstrap. Is that a new thing?[/quote]

[quote comment=”364212″][quote comment=”364209″]JimV19 said: \”If you think the Eagles clash, don’t the Falcons?\” The Eagles\’ green helmets are too close to black, in my opinion…. but are green…. they look fine matched with the same green color, but with the black, it\’s like somebody didn\’t bother to stand back and look at the whole ensemble. Atlanta\’s bright red on black have nice contrast. The \”black for black\’s sake\” is also a factor that drives me up the wall. I thought we were over that, but I guess the kids still love it.[/quote]

In some slight defense of the Eagles, they did actually change the team colors. Darkened the green, dropped the silver (virtually so, anyway) and added black.

Not like, y’know, others. Oh, say, that one New York baseball team, the ones with the rich and creamy new home alts, kinda the color of rice cakes.

Very trendy.

—Ricko[/quote]

They didn’t really add black, they just made it more prominent. The Cunningham era uniforms had black number outlines and black trim on the pant and sock stripes.

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 3:08 pm |

[quote comment=”364215″]Was wondering last night about something similar: Would the Seahawks mono Blue-Gray-Green actually have a bit more, I dunno “snap”, if they wore the navy pants created to wear with the neon jerseys? Hard to say, cuz would give ’em a leotard look, wouldn’t it.

[quote comment=”364214″][quote comment=”364211″]Don’t know if this has been looked into but I was noticing over the weekend that some teams use the same font for the jersey numbers and their helmet numbers, while others do not. Any idea why?[/quote]

Goes back to the ’50s, when helmet number first came along. Generally there were two fonts and two colors (white and black) available from decal manufactures, and nobody went to the expense of custom work.

So, for the longest time helmet numbers were not considered part of the overall design…because they couldn’t be. That look just became so common that no one was bothered much by the differing fonts. And many still aren’t, simply because it’s been that way as long as there have been helmet numbers.

Best answer you’re gonna get. Cuz it’s true.

—Ricko[/quote]

I brought this question up regarding the Riflery uniforms of tOSU.

Would it have been hard enought to use the same font for the helmet and jersey?

[quote comment=”364218″][quote comment=”364212″][quote comment=”364209″]JimV19 said: \”If you think the Eagles clash, don’t the Falcons?\” The Eagles\’ green helmets are too close to black, in my opinion…. but are green…. they look fine matched with the same green color, but with the black, it\’s like somebody didn\’t bother to stand back and look at the whole ensemble. Atlanta\’s bright red on black have nice contrast. The \”black for black\’s sake\” is also a factor that drives me up the wall. I thought we were over that, but I guess the kids still love it.[/quote]

In some slight defense of the Eagles, they did actually change the team colors. Darkened the green, dropped the silver (virtually so, anyway) and added black.

Not like, y’know, others. Oh, say, that one New York baseball team, the ones with the rich and creamy new home alts, kinda the color of rice cakes.

Very trendy.

—Ricko[/quote]

They didn’t really add black, they just made it more prominent. The Cunningham era uniforms had black number outlines and black trim on the pant and sock stripes.[/quote]

Absolutely so. But I was talking about team colors—official colors—not just what they wore. In fact, the Cunningham era may be more BFBS than the current set. Not sure when black was first listed as a team color, and not worn just as trim…but seems it was when they changed to present unis.

—Ricko

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 3:14 pm |

[quote comment=”364220″][quote comment=”364214″][quote comment=”364211″]Don’t know if this has been looked into but I was noticing over the weekend that some teams use the same font for the jersey numbers and their helmet numbers, while others do not. Any idea why?[/quote]

Goes back to the ’50s, when helmet number first came along. Generally there were two fonts and two colors (white and black) available from decal manufactures, and nobody went to the expense of custom work.

So, for the longest time helmet numbers were not considered part of the overall design…because they couldn’t be. That look just became so common that no one was bothered much by the differing fonts. And many still aren’t, simply because it’s been that way as long as there have been helmet numbers.

Best answer you’re gonna get. Cuz it’s true.

—Ricko[/quote]

I brought this question up regarding the Riflery uniforms of tOSU.

Would it have been hard enought to use the same font for the helmet and jersey?

Everything you showed is a throwback, or alleged throwback.
In which case, the numbers all are correct.

—Ricko

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 3:24 pm |

Could we all agree on something? For the sake of eliminating confusion?

If we talk about “team colors” can that mean what’s listed in the media guide…not the uniform colors? Cuz they aren’t always the same thing.

Would sure eliminate a lot of…”Oh, but they had black on their unis in the ’50s” (49ers, for example). Yes, they did. But the team colors didn’t include black, was just a drop shadow on the numbers.

Or, if someone says TCU’s team colors are Purple and White, don’t jump all them. They ARE purple and white. Says so all over the school’s materials and branding standards.

They’re WEARING a lot of black, but it’s not one of the team colors.

Okay?

—Ricko

The Jeff|
November 30, 2009 at 3:24 pm |

[quote comment=”364222″][quote comment=”364220″][quote comment=”364214″][quote comment=”364211″]Don’t know if this has been looked into but I was noticing over the weekend that some teams use the same font for the jersey numbers and their helmet numbers, while others do not. Any idea why?[/quote]

Goes back to the ’50s, when helmet number first came along. Generally there were two fonts and two colors (white and black) available from decal manufactures, and nobody went to the expense of custom work.

So, for the longest time helmet numbers were not considered part of the overall design…because they couldn’t be. That look just became so common that no one was bothered much by the differing fonts. And many still aren’t, simply because it’s been that way as long as there have been helmet numbers.

Best answer you’re gonna get. Cuz it’s true.

—Ricko[/quote]

I brought this question up regarding the Riflery uniforms of tOSU.

Would it have been hard enought to use the same font for the helmet and jersey?

Everything you showed is a throwback, or alleged throwback.
In which case, the numbers all are correct.

—Ricko[/quote]

Given the not-really-a-throwback aspect of the Buckeyes uniform, I think block numbers on the helmet would have worked just as well. Of course the whole thing looked like garbage anyway, so the helmet number font doesn’t really matter.

i was just on imdb.com reading trivia on michael clarke duncan and came across this:

“Ran onto the field and slid into third base during the Disco Demolition Night fiasco at Comiskey Park on July 12, 1979”

just thought it was funny!

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 3:32 pm |

[quote comment=”364224″][quote comment=”364222″][quote comment=”364220″][quote comment=”364214″][quote comment=”364211″]Don’t know if this has been looked into but I was noticing over the weekend that some teams use the same font for the jersey numbers and their helmet numbers, while others do not. Any idea why?[/quote]

Goes back to the ’50s, when helmet number first came along. Generally there were two fonts and two colors (white and black) available from decal manufactures, and nobody went to the expense of custom work.

So, for the longest time helmet numbers were not considered part of the overall design…because they couldn’t be. That look just became so common that no one was bothered much by the differing fonts. And many still aren’t, simply because it’s been that way as long as there have been helmet numbers.

Best answer you’re gonna get. Cuz it’s true.

—Ricko[/quote]

I brought this question up regarding the Riflery uniforms of tOSU.

Would it have been hard enought to use the same font for the helmet and jersey?

Everything you showed is a throwback, or alleged throwback.
In which case, the numbers all are correct.

—Ricko[/quote]

Given the not-really-a-throwback aspect of the Buckeyes uniform, I think block numbers on the helmet would have worked just as well. Of course the whole thing looked like garbage anyway, so the helmet number font doesn’t really matter.[/quote]

[quote comment=”364223″]Could we all agree on something? For the sake of eliminating confusion?

If we talk about “team colors” can that mean what’s listed in the media guide…not the uniform colors? Cuz they aren’t always the same thing.

Would sure eliminate a lot of…”Oh, but they had black on their unis in the ’50s” (49ers, for example). Yes, they did. But the team colors didn’t include black, was just a drop shadow on the numbers.

Or, if someone says TCU’s team colors are Purple and White, don’t jump all them. They ARE purple and white. Says so all over the school’s materials and branding standards.

They’re WEARING a lot of black, but it’s not one of the team colors.

Okay?

—Ricko[/quote]

I can accept that rule for NCAA teams. A 108 year old university doesn’t go changing its colors very often.

But as for the pros, if they’re wearing it, it should be considered a team color. Otherwise it just seems kinda dumb on the part of a team. Oh, we’re using black drop shadows and striping…but it’s not a team color. Really?

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 3:34 pm |

[quote comment=”364225″]i was just on imdb.com reading trivia on michael clarke duncan and came across this:

“Ran onto the field and slid into third base during the Disco Demolition Night fiasco at Comiskey Park on July 12, 1979”

just thought it was funny![/quote]

Say if he was safe or out?

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 3:38 pm |

[quote comment=”364227″][quote comment=”364223″]Could we all agree on something? For the sake of eliminating confusion?

If we talk about “team colors” can that mean what’s listed in the media guide…not the uniform colors? Cuz they aren’t always the same thing.

Would sure eliminate a lot of…”Oh, but they had black on their unis in the ’50s” (49ers, for example). Yes, they did. But the team colors didn’t include black, was just a drop shadow on the numbers.

Or, if someone says TCU’s team colors are Purple and White, don’t jump all them. They ARE purple and white. Says so all over the school’s materials and branding standards.

They’re WEARING a lot of black, but it’s not one of the team colors.

Okay?

—Ricko[/quote]

I can accept that rule for NCAA teams. A 108 year old university doesn’t go changing its colors very often.

But as for the pros, if they’re wearing it, it should be considered a team color. Otherwise it just seems kinda dumb on the part of a team. Oh, we’re using black drop shadows and striping…but it’s not a team color. Really?[/quote]

Never mind. Was trying logic for the sake of clearer communication and, frankly, for being able to identify BFBS according to some kind of benchmark. But if you want to make adding a black drop shadow the same thing as changing the official team colors, hey, go right ahead.

[quote comment=”364228″][quote comment=”364225″]i was just on imdb.com reading trivia on michael clarke duncan and came across this:

“Ran onto the field and slid into third base during the Disco Demolition Night fiasco at Comiskey Park on July 12, 1979”

just thought it was funny![/quote]

Say if he was safe or out?[/quote]

ehhh… a guy THAT big from the south side of chicago… safe every time! lol

Skycat|
November 30, 2009 at 3:48 pm |

[quote comment=”364213″][quote comment=”364201″][quote comment=”364183″]I can’t even watch the Eagles in the black alts… the way they clash with the green helmets and white pants activates some OCD and gives me a panic attack. As a die-hard Falcons fan, I would give ANYTHING to have them go to those unis full time. I use to spend a fortune on their merch, but not a dime since they redid the logo and went modern.[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong – I dislike what the Eagles wore, and I like the Falcons throwbacks, but they both have a colored helmet, black jerseys and white pants. If you think the Eagles clash, don’t the Falcons? Not picking on you, just curious. With me it’s because the Eagles did Black For Black’s Sake.[/quote]

the problem with the eagles, and which apparently both THE jeff and ricko like…

is that the helmet and black jersey are very close to each other, on the color spectrum; the red helmet, OTOH, does not clash with the jersey as the two are distinctly different colors…and i agree with tinstar….

that combo green helmet (PMS 349) and black jersey offends my OCD as well[/quote]
The first thought that came to my mind regarding the Eagles’ unis and helmets was the proximity of the color spectrum between the helmets and the jerseys. Definitely not a good look.
As far as the Falcons are concerned, though, I much prefer the look they had in the 70’s and 80’s when they had red jerseys to match the red helmets.

[quote comment=”364222″][quote comment=”364220″][quote comment=”364214″][quote comment=”364211″]Don’t know if this has been looked into but I was noticing over the weekend that some teams use the same font for the jersey numbers and their helmet numbers, while others do not. Any idea why?[/quote]

Goes back to the ’50s, when helmet number first came along. Generally there were two fonts and two colors (white and black) available from decal manufactures, and nobody went to the expense of custom work.

So, for the longest time helmet numbers were not considered part of the overall design…because they couldn’t be. That look just became so common that no one was bothered much by the differing fonts. And many still aren’t, simply because it’s been that way as long as there have been helmet numbers.

Best answer you’re gonna get. Cuz it’s true.

—Ricko[/quote]

I brought this question up regarding the Riflery uniforms of tOSU.

Would it have been hard enought to use the same font for the helmet and jersey?

Everything you showed is a throwback, or alleged throwback.
In which case, the numbers all are correct.

—Ricko[/quote]

Historically, they are correct.

I guess this is the entire rub of the Riflery unis…

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 4:00 pm |

[quote comment=”364227″]
But as for the pros, if they’re wearing it, it should be considered a team color. Otherwise it just seems kinda dumb on the part of a team. Oh, we’re using black drop shadows and striping…but it’s not a team color. Really?[/quote]

the current eagles have midnight green, BLACK, silver and white…so in their case, it’s NOT BFBS

i say we use the ssur.org color chart as THE OFFICIAL one when referring to pro team colors…not some arbitrary “if it’s on their uni, it’s a color”…cuz we can find out what they officially use very easily

Jonathan|
November 30, 2009 at 4:03 pm |

Paul has updated the roster with a few new cards that were not on there this morning with the other updates. Here is mine.. Nice work guys!

[quote comment=”364234″][quote comment=”364227″]
But as for the pros, if they’re wearing it, it should be considered a team color. Otherwise it just seems kinda dumb on the part of a team. Oh, we’re using black drop shadows and striping…but it’s not a team color. Really?[/quote]

the current eagles have midnight green, BLACK, silver and white…so in their case, it’s NOT BFBS

i say we use the ssur.org color chart as THE OFFICIAL one when referring to pro team colors…not some arbitrary “if it’s on their uni, it’s a color”…cuz we can find out what they officially use very easily[/quote]

well shit…each of those links is gonna take you back to the first team (akron indians)…but if you make your way through the document, it lists each team…so you get the idea

Thanks Mickel, that Largent painting was used for the front cover of a 1982 Gameday program. The actual photo is from a shot of Largent in 1979, where he’s actually wearing black shoes, however, in 1982 the Hawks were wearing white shoes, hence the change in the painting.

Both of these paintings came from the David Boss Estate. So, makes it that much more spectacular for me.
[/quote]

Great history on the painting. What makes that ’79 pic even better is seeing the field judge with TOB (Title on back?) and stirrups

Thomas Clark|
November 30, 2009 at 4:08 pm |

Ok, hopefully the stadium orientation and team dugouts was correct because here’s some info for them near sunset:

East (thus dugout shading is equal):
San Francisco Giants (Third Base)
New York Yankees (First Base)

[quote comment=”364234″]
for example, arizona cardinals … they list black as an official color[/quote]

The problem with defining black as a colour is that it truly is not a colour by design and artistic measures. And since nearly every single professional team on the planet uses black in their logo/scheme, it, along with white, should be eliminated as an “official” colour for all teams.

Because it’s not a true colour.

And because everyone uses it, so it is not unique to any one specific team.

JimV19|
November 30, 2009 at 4:13 pm |

[quote comment=”364210″][quote comment=”364195″][quote comment=”364166″][quote comment=”364164″][quote comment=”364134″]Now that Al Groh has been fired at UVa…what do you guys think of thier uniforms??

I believe that they have one of the most underrated uniform set in the NCAA.[/quote]
Very nice uni – easily best in conference. Probably among the top ten in I-A (that list also would include, in no particular order, Michigan State, Marshall, Colorado State, South Florida, Central Florida, Vanderbilt, Texas, Auburn and Michigan).

Paul, glad the port-braised onions got you back to health. Port is the not-so-secret ingredient to the best cranberry sauce too.[/quote]

theres a question/poll…what teams are in your top 10 or so in uniform sets?[/quote]

Those also receiving votes: Nebraska, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Tulane, Virginia, FSU, Colorado State, Western Michigan and West Virginia.[/quote]
Jim – I like green, I like gold, I like ’em together too (though I left out Baylor and UAB with that combo). But your list is completely dominated by teams with shoulder loops (or, in their current state, captain’s bars or equal signs).[/quote]

Yeah, I’m loopy for shoulder loops, but technically, for them to dominate my list they would have to occupy more than half of it. As it is, I have five looped teams and five non-looped. Only one of the other schools receiving votes is looped.

[quote comment=”364240″][quote comment=”364234″]
for example, arizona cardinals … they list black as an official color[/quote]

The problem with defining black as a colour is that it truly is not a colour by design and artistic measures. And since nearly every single professional team on the planet uses black in their logo/scheme, it, along with white, should be eliminated as an “official” colour for all teams.

Because it’s not a true colour.

And because everyone uses it, so it is not unique to any one specific team.[/quote]

[quote comment=”364247″]
I will be at home, warm on the couch, under my snuggie thinking about you fools.[/quote]

The fact that you have a Snuggie causes me serious concern. ;oP

Honestly, it sounds like it’s going to be a great time… as long as the last hotel comes through with a decent price. And, if tradition holds true, late January is usually the worst for brutally cold temperatures, so the truly strong will survive. LOL

Honestly, I’m just going to get pictures of all the various jerseys out there, and the rest will be updates throughout the weekend on my blog of all that happened. Hanging with Mr. Ricko in his museum of treasures will be worth it on its own.

Thanks Mickel, that Largent painting was used for the front cover of a 1982 Gameday program. The actual photo is from a shot of Largent in 1979, where he’s actually wearing black shoes, however, in 1982 the Hawks were wearing white shoes, hence the change in the painting.

Both of these paintings came from the David Boss Estate. So, makes it that much more spectacular for me.
[/quote]

Great history on the painting. What makes that ’79 pic even better is seeing the field judge with TOB (Title on back?) and stirrups[/quote]
is Largent wearing Sambas in that shot?

a few years back, they even alternated helmet logos, between the GATORS script and the Grambling/Georgia/Green Bay style G

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 5:12 pm |

[quote comment=”364240″][quote comment=”364234″]
for example, arizona cardinals … they list black as an official color[/quote]

The problem with defining black as a colour is that it truly is not a colour by design and artistic measures. And since nearly every single professional team on the planet uses black in their logo/scheme, it, along with white, should be eliminated as an “official” colour for all teams.

Because it’s not a true colour.

And because everyone uses it, so it is not unique to any one specific team.[/quote]

Gotta differ.

So you’re saying if the Red Wings come out in black jerseys that’s okay cuz it’s one of their colors? I mean, seeing as we’re declaring it universal?

The only defacto color is white, because everyone’s required to wear it, by rule, at one time or another.

Because a logo is outlined in black, or because standard skates/cleats are black, are hardly validation to say black is part of everyone’s uniform.

[quote comment=”364253″][quote comment=”364240″][quote comment=”364234″]
for example, arizona cardinals … they list black as an official color[/quote]

The problem with defining black as a colour is that it truly is not a colour by design and artistic measures. And since nearly every single professional team on the planet uses black in their logo/scheme, it, along with white, should be eliminated as an “official” colour for all teams.

Because it’s not a true colour.

And because everyone uses it, so it is not unique to any one specific team.[/quote]

Gotta differ.

So you’re saying if the Red Wings come out in black jerseys that’s okay cuz it’s one of their colors? I mean, seeing as we’re declaring it universal?

The only defacto color is white, because everyone’s required to wear it, by rule, at one time or another.

Because a logo is outlined in black, or because standard skates/cleats are black, are hardly validation to say black is part of everyone’s uniform.

—Ricko[/quote]

Um… did you read what I wrote, Rick? You said the exact same thing I just did.

No team should be able to claim white or black as part of their colour scheme unless it is used effectively as a part of their logo. This means it has to be more than just an outline or a contrast colour. And even then, since it is NOT a true colour, it should only be allowed as part of a team’s colour scheme in special cases. The same goes for white.

Because they are not colours, and every team incorporates those two colours in some way, shape or form, they need to be defined better when it comes to colour schemes.

TC Mark|
November 30, 2009 at 5:22 pm |

[quote comment=”364202″][quote comment=”364197″]The Vikings HAVE GOT TO STICK WITH THAT THROWBACK SET!!! IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER. They must be thinking about changing to this set because they’ve been doing it for the last 2 seasons. (kind of like what the 49ers, 76ers, etc. did)[/quote]

Yup, just when I can say I’m sorta getting used the new ones, they trot out those babies and the process starts all over again.

—Ricko[/quote]

I agree though was just tolerating new unis. The throwbacks just look classic and like football unis should. They could keep the new helmet horns or not. Works either way.

The problem with defining black as a colour is that it truly is not a colour by design and artistic measures. And since nearly every single professional team on the planet uses black in their logo/scheme, it, along with white, should be eliminated as an “official” colour for all teams.

Because it’s not a true colour.

And because everyone uses it, so it is not unique to any one specific team.[/quote]

Gotta differ.

So you’re saying if the Red Wings come out in black jerseys that’s okay cuz it’s one of their colors? I mean, seeing as we’re declaring it universal?

The only defacto color is white, because everyone’s required to wear it, by rule, at one time or another.

Because a logo is outlined in black, or because standard skates/cleats are black, are hardly validation to say black is part of everyone’s uniform.

—Ricko[/quote]

Um… did you read what I wrote, Rick? You said the exact same thing I just did.

No team should be able to claim white or black as part of their colour scheme unless it is used effectively as a part of their logo. This means it has to be more than just an outline or a contrast colour. And even then, since it is NOT a true colour, it should only be allowed as part of a team’s colour scheme in special cases. The same goes for white.

Because they are not colours, and every team incorporates those two colours in some way, shape or form, they need to be defined better when it comes to colour schemes.[/quote]

Ah, okay, but white sort of can be, because it’s in there by rule, therefore if teams choose to employ it beyond that it should be their option, and they should be able to state it as such.

Otherwise, Wisconsin and the Red Wings’ team colors would be: Red. And neither of them use any black (other than the drop shadow on Wisconsin’s helmet “W”).

Or the Flyers and Bengals would be: Orange. Even though those both actually wear black garments

By the same token I just don’t want someone claiming that cuz there once was a bit of yellow-gold in the bird on the Orioles hat, that means donning a yellow-gold jersey is staying within the team colors.

Or if the Black Hawks wear kelly breezers it’s okay cuz there’s great in the crest.

Know what I mean?

—Ricko

bourbon soaked idiot|
November 30, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

[quote comment=”364256″][quote comment=”364202″][quote comment=”364197″]The Vikings HAVE GOT TO STICK WITH THAT THROWBACK SET!!! IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER. They must be thinking about changing to this set because they’ve been doing it for the last 2 seasons. (kind of like what the 49ers, 76ers, etc. did)[/quote]

Yup, just when I can say I’m sorta getting used the new ones, they trot out those babies and the process starts all over again.

—Ricko[/quote]

I agree though was just tolerating new unis. The throwbacks just look classic and like football unis should. They could keep the new helmet horns or not. Works either way.

Probably never happen though…[/quote]

The new helmet horns are the worst part.

TC Mark|
November 30, 2009 at 5:35 pm |

[quote comment=”364240″][quote comment=”364234″]
for example, arizona cardinals … they list black as an official color[/quote]

The problem with defining black as a colour is that it truly is not a colour by design and artistic measures. And since nearly every single professional team on the planet uses black in their logo/scheme, it, along with white, should be eliminated as an “official” colour for all teams.

Because it’s not a true colour.

And because everyone uses it, so it is not unique to any one specific team.[/quote]

Hmmmm…PMS seems to list “black” as a “colour” and it is an ink color used in printing. I know where you are trying to come from when you say “truly is not a colour by design and artistic measures” but simply not true in this respect. Black IS a color. By your argument “white” would also not be a color since by some people’s reasoning it is “truly is not a colour by design and artistic measures” either. In the “artistic” sense white is the absence of color/pigment when talking about paints, etc.

And I agree – it has to be listed as an official team color to be on the uni. Hell…why not include red, white and blue in all team colors then since all unis carry the league logo now. Toss in the uni sponsor colors too! Not.

notice, “black” is an official color of several teams; only those colors listed under the first section or “primary colors” should be considered as the teams official uniform colors

as an example, you’ll notice the ravens include red and yellow as part of their official color scheme–this is only because those colors appear in the logo on their helmet…thus, they are NOT official colors per se

also note “battle red” IS the official name for the red worn by the texans (lol), and their other two colors are “deep steel blue” and “liberty white”

you can find all 32 teams, plus all the defunct teams on ssur.org, which is the place to go to reference such things

there should be no more debate over “BFBS” — either it’s an “official color” or it’s not

period, end of story

now…whether a team added black to their color scheme in the past 10 years…THAT could be considered BFBS…and the worst kind too, since the added a trendy color (at the time) just because they could

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 5:39 pm |

What???

Notre Dame fired Charlie????

Be kinda fun if the new coach took ’em back to kelly jerseys, wouldn’t it. Not forest. Forest green is not Kelly green. Don’t need the Irish looking like Central Florida (no criticism of Central Florida intended).

—Ricko

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 5:46 pm |

whoopsie…i didn’t mean those ravens colors appear on their helmet–i meant to say they appear on the shoulder patch

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 5:46 pm |

[quote comment=”364261″]What???

Notre Dame fired Charlie????

Be kinda fun if the new coach took ’em back to kelly jerseys, wouldn’t it. Not forest. Forest green is not Kelly green. Don’t need the Irish looking like Central Florida (no criticism of Central Florida intended).

Absolutely, but there are teams that use white as major part of their logos. Detroit Red Wings, Toronto Maple Leafs, and the Montreal Canadiens are prime examples of where white would be a part of their schemes.

Just because the Columbus Blue Jackets have neon green as a colour in their old logo, however, doesn’t make it a primary colour in their scheme.

To me, the overuse of the shade known as black is a serious problem in professional sports. Pro sports teams are supposed to be representative of the city/state whose name they wear, and I have rarely seen a city or state with an all-black flag flying at their local government’s building.

While PMS can define it as a colour in terms of how to mix red, blue, and yellow… until I see different shades of black used in a logo, black is black is black. It’s all the same to me.

leon|
November 30, 2009 at 5:52 pm |

[quote comment=”364261″]What???

Notre Dame fired Charlie????

Be kinda fun if the new coach took ’em back to kelly jerseys, wouldn’t it. Not forest. Forest green is not Kelly green. Don’t need the Irish looking like Central Florida (no criticism of Central Florida intended).

—Ricko[/quote]

George O’Leary likes that idea.

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 5:54 pm |

[quote comment=”364261″]Be kinda fun if the new coach took ’em back to kelly jerseys, wouldn’t it. Not forest. Forest green is not Kelly green.[/quote]

Four more TC locals sent emails today.
Likely attendance figure now pushing 30, including possibly as many as 10 from out-of-state…so far.

Gonna be fun.

Stay tuned for more.

And we’re gonna need our own LOGO, too, some entertwining of the UW logo with a WC image
(just in case the graphically inclined among us want to start letting things percolate a bit).

—Ricko

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 6:26 pm |

[quote comment=”364264″][To me, the overuse of the shade known as black is a serious problem in professional sports. Pro sports teams are supposed to be representative of the city/state whose name they wear, and I have rarely seen a city or state with an all-black flag flying at their local government’s building.
[/quote]

so teebz…

what are the official colors of the pittsburgh steelers then?

yellow and _______?

or the oakland raiders?

silver and ________?

where BFBS comes in, in a PERFECT example, are the late 90’s early 00’s mets, reds, and royals and present day blue jays

black was never an official color of any of those teams, but they added it when it became the trendy thing to do

that’s BFBS

another stretch, but it sorta fits — a team like the carolina hurricanes — yes, black is a part of their logo scheme (the flag), but adding an entirely black uniform when previously their uni had been almost exclusively red and white…that’s BFBS

=bg=|
November 30, 2009 at 6:41 pm |

heh. spam word is ‘ikea.’

Listen, if you haven’t seen “The Blind Side” yet, go see it. terrific movie. Under Armour-city.

LarryB|
November 30, 2009 at 6:43 pm |

[quote comment=”364248″]Aw man, I missed it. I thought the WPIAL high school football championships at Heinz Field were next weekend.

I watched parts of the WPIAL playoffs at Heinz Field. My cousins son plays on West Allegheny who beat Hopewell. Hopewell is Tony Dorsett’s old school. My young cousin told me how cool it was to dress in the lockeroom and play on that field.

I was going to mention the Gateway Gators unis. How about that Gator skin design on the side of the jersey and pants. I like it.

LarryB|
November 30, 2009 at 6:54 pm |

I may be one of the few who likes the Bengals uniforms. They are kind of busy but they are Bengals. I was wondering what if a team named Tigers used the more natural color of a real tiger instead of bright orange. How would that look.

The Eagles uniforms yesterday I did not care for at all. I have never cared for the darker green the Eagles switched too years ago.

[quote comment=”364268″][quote comment=”364264″][To me, the overuse of the shade known as black is a serious problem in professional sports. Pro sports teams are supposed to be representative of the city/state whose name they wear, and I have rarely seen a city or state with an all-black flag flying at their local government’s building.
[/quote]

so teebz…

what are the official colors of the pittsburgh steelers then?

yellow and _______?

or the oakland raiders?

silver and ________?

where BFBS comes in, in a PERFECT example, are the late 90’s early 00’s mets, reds, and royals and present day blue jays

black was never an official color of any of those teams, but they added it when it became the trendy thing to do

that’s BFBS

another stretch, but it sorta fits — a team like the carolina hurricanes — yes, black is a part of their logo scheme (the flag), but adding an entirely black uniform when previously their uni had been almost exclusively red and white…that’s BFBS[/quote]

The teams that have a history with the shade of either black or white get a pass; that includes off-whites in baseball. The teams that do not – Minnesota North Stars and Washington Capitals, for example – are those who had distinctive colour schemes that had no need to go black as a primary colour.

There are lots of teams who have done the BFBS thing that annoy me: Calgary Stampeders, Montreal Alouettes, Detroit Lions, Jacksonville Jaguars, Chicago Bulls, Boston Celtics, New York Mets, and the Toronto Blue Jays are prime examples.

Now, it has spread to navy blue, and it is annoying me as well. Besides the growing problem in hockey, the Atlanta Braves showed that they weren’t above that idiocy last season.

jclif6|
November 30, 2009 at 6:55 pm |

my top 10 list would be:

-Virginia (i love the blue over white)
-Texas (love the white on white look)
-Penn State (love the home blues)
-California (for some reason i really like this set)
-Alabama (love this set)
-Virginia Tech (only the throwback versions, not the new crap)
-USC (love this set)
-Clemson (they have a nice clean look)
-FSU (have a nice tradtional, but modern look to it)
-Duke (very underrated uniform set, looks good, but a lot like the Indianapolis Colts)

And how long has Oregon used the current O on the helmet and the new style? What was the look right before they changed? I know they wore the 1994 throwbacks earlier this season.

Failos2002|
November 30, 2009 at 6:58 pm |

Re: Brunet–

I noticed that too (of course) when watching the MLB telecast of that game. Interestingly, baseball-almanac.com doesn’t list him as wearing #4 that season. He must not have had it long, but then again, he wasn’t there long, either (only 12 games).

Be kinda fun if the new coach took ’em back to kelly jerseys, wouldn’t it. Not forest. Forest green is not Kelly green. Don’t need the Irish looking like Central Florida (no criticism of Central Florida intended).

Hey paul, sorry i don’t have a screen shot, but did you catch the sunday night game? Pittsburgh’s Santonio Holmes Wore all White Socks in the first quarter, but switched to the correct socks in the second for the rest of the game.

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 7:14 pm |

[quote comment=”364274″]And how long has Oregon used the current O on the helmet and the new style? What was the look right before they changed? I know they wore the 1994 throwbacks earlier this season.[/quote]

im not sure these are always 100% correct, but this site is pretty good for stuff like that

LarryB|
November 30, 2009 at 7:19 pm |

[quote comment=”364282″][quote comment=”364274″]And how long has Oregon used the current O on the helmet and the new style? What was the look right before they changed? I know they wore the 1994 throwbacks earlier this season.[/quote]

I’m a Sabres fan from the 70’s, but haven’t watched in a looong time. These unis are terrible! And they look twice as bad compared to the sweet Leafs unis – check out their socks![/quote]

I had put that game on before I saw your post. I agree the Sabres unis are not very good

LarryB|
November 30, 2009 at 7:35 pm |

One thing I noted while looking at Oregon’s helmets is that the site was not sure about the Ducks 1968 helmet. One of my Ohio State books about the 1968 team had these 2 pictures. The 68 Ducks had a white oval with U O in green on the green helmet

[quote comment=”364287″]One thing I noted while looking at Oregon’s helmets is that the site was not sure about the Ducks 1968 helmet. One of my Ohio State books about the 1968 team had these 2 pictures. The 68 Ducks had a white oval with U O in green on the green helmet

Thanks Mickel, that Largent painting was used for the front cover of a 1982 Gameday program. The actual photo is from a shot of Largent in 1979, where he\’s actually wearing black shoes, however, in 1982 the Hawks were wearing white shoes, hence the change in the painting.

Both of these paintings came from the David Boss Estate. So, makes it that much more spectacular for me.
[/quote]

Great history on the painting. What makes that ’79 pic even better is seeing the field judge with TOB (Title on back?) and stirrups[/quote]
is Largent wearing Sambas in that shot?[/quote]

So, I’m watching Minday Night Football and very glad to see the Saints wearing their gold pants. But can someone explain to me why ESPN uses a gold fleur de lis on the Saints’ helmet in the opening credits? Can they not find a black one to use JUST LIKE THE REAL HELMETS? They had the same thing against the Falcons as well.

leon|
November 30, 2009 at 8:49 pm |

[quote comment=”364290″]#85 on Saints appears to not be wearing stockings.[/quote]
must have pulled them back up. on the first play, there was definitely skin showing.

Eric B in KC|
November 30, 2009 at 8:56 pm |

[quote comment=”364132″][quote comment=”364128″]From last night:

The Division II football semifinals are set for next weekend. California, PA visits Northwest Missouri State, while Carson-Newman takes on Grand Valley State.

Thanks Mickel, that Largent painting was used for the front cover of a 1982 Gameday program. The actual photo is from a shot of Largent in 1979, where he\’s actually wearing black shoes, however, in 1982 the Hawks were wearing white shoes, hence the change in the painting.

Both of these paintings came from the David Boss Estate. So, makes it that much more spectacular for me.
[/quote]

Great history on the painting. What makes that ’79 pic even better is seeing the field judge with TOB (Title on back?) and stirrups[/quote]
is Largent wearing Sambas in that shot?[/quote]

[quote comment=”364287″]One thing I noted while looking at Oregon’s helmets is that the site was not sure about the Ducks 1968 helmet. One of my Ohio State books about the 1968 team had these 2 pictures. The 68 Ducks had a white oval with U O in green on the green helmet

Random questions for you, coming from a frequent UWer but not the most frequent DIYer.

I’ve always been interested and inspired by the guys on here who do frequent DIY projects….especially the vintage looking gear… from some of the really professional stuff, to the not-so-professional but totally awesome hoodies some of you guys (ahem powers) pop out. I’ve made a few custom golf hats, with really cool rare asian golf patches heated on to the fronts, along with my favorite Callaway logo on the back (that’s my brand as a pro… for now.. a whole other discussion can be made with this segment!).

Any advice for THIS guy? With Christmas around the corner I had thought about working on some sort of sewing machinery from the wifey, but don’t know if that’s the way to go.

Also, Phil, if you want to use my growth as a uniwatch-taught DIY noob for a feature of yours let me know. DItto for any golf stuff… I think I can def. help fill that void here!

Zach|
November 30, 2009 at 9:18 pm |

Man,

I get on the site today and my high school alma mater is on the page! as pat said he’s correct the 77 on the helmet is for Red Grange and you’ll notice that the 77 is only on the left side of the helmet not the right…that is because the coaches made it a point we wear that number on the left because that is where our heart is and Red Grange played the game with all of his heart. So I hope this helps out and a little bit more back story about the number on the helmet

LarryB|
November 30, 2009 at 9:19 pm |

[quote comment=”364295″][quote comment=”364287″]One thing I noted while looking at Oregon’s helmets is that the site was not sure about the Ducks 1968 helmet. One of my Ohio State books about the 1968 team had these 2 pictures. The 68 Ducks had a white oval with U O in green on the green helmet

Helmet Hut has used several pictures that I have scanned or even got from the Ohio State archives.

The 1968 Oregon pictures they have are ones I scanned from “Ohio State 68 All the way to the Top”

The Ohio State page they use has ones that I got from OSU archives that include another Oregon 1961 helmet.

I asked them since they have used several of my scanned pictures for their ads if I could ever get a discount on a helmet. They more or less told me to forget about it and anytime a picture is posted on the net tough luck.

Kinda made me POd about the attitude.

Indiana 1964 helmet was another of mine as are MSU’s mid 1960’s. Now I do not say I took the pics but oh well

leon|
November 30, 2009 at 9:23 pm |

It has been mentioned several times about nfl coachwear referencing their conference/division;noticed sean payton’s visor strap reads “nfc south”. not sure why.

leon|
November 30, 2009 at 9:24 pm |

[quote comment=”364300″]It has been mentioned several times about nfl coachwear referencing their conference/division;noticed sean payton’s visor strap reads “nfc south”. not sure why.[/quote]
i mean besides the fact that saints play in that division.

LI Phil|
November 30, 2009 at 9:34 pm |

[quote comment=”364297″]Also, Phil, if you want to use my growth as a uniwatch-taught DIY noob for a feature of yours let me know. DItto for any golf stuff… I think I can def. help fill that void here![/quote]

well sure johnny, i’ll take it into consideration…it all depends upon how you answer this question:

[quote comment=”364302″][quote comment=”364297″]Also, Phil, if you want to use my growth as a uniwatch-taught DIY noob for a feature of yours let me know. DItto for any golf stuff… I think I can def. help fill that void here![/quote]

well sure johnny, i’ll take it into consideration…it all depends upon how you answer this question:

Thanks Mickel, that Largent painting was used for the front cover of a 1982 Gameday program. The actual photo is from a shot of Largent in 1979, where he\’s actually wearing black shoes, however, in 1982 the Hawks were wearing white shoes, hence the change in the painting.

Both of these paintings came from the David Boss Estate. So, makes it that much more spectacular for me.
[/quote]

Great history on the painting. What makes that ’79 pic even better is seeing the field judge with TOB (Title on back?) and stirrups[/quote]
is Largent wearing Sambas in that shot?[/quote]

I don’t believe they are Sambas, since they look to have the black micro dot astro turf soles?[/quote]

I have to admit that this is even out of my range!

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 10:50 pm |

[quote comment=”364304″][quote comment=”364303″][quote comment=”364266″][quote comment=”364261″]Be kinda fun if the new coach took ’em back to kelly jerseys, wouldn’t it. Not forest. Forest green is not Kelly green.[/quote]

[quote comment=”364307″][quote comment=”364304″][quote comment=”364303″][quote comment=”364266″][quote comment=”364261″]Be kinda fun if the new coach took ’em back to kelly jerseys, wouldn’t it. Not forest. Forest green is not Kelly green.[/quote]

I watched parts of the WPIAL playoffs at Heinz Field. My cousins son plays on West Allegheny who beat Hopewell. Hopewell is Tony Dorsett’s old school. My young cousin told me how cool it was to dress in the lockeroom and play on that field.

I was going to mention the Gateway Gators unis. How about that Gator skin design on the side of the jersey and pants. I like it.[/quote]

Notice the crosses on the chest of Greensboro Catholic…Polamalu disease must be spreading across PA.

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 10:56 pm |

[quote comment=”364308″][quote comment=”364307″][quote comment=”364304″][quote comment=”364303″][quote comment=”364266″][quote comment=”364261″]Be kinda fun if the new coach took ’em back to kelly jerseys, wouldn’t it. Not forest. Forest green is not Kelly green.[/quote]

Thanks Mickel, that Largent painting was used for the front cover of a 1982 Gameday program. The actual photo is from a shot of Largent in 1979, where he\’s actually wearing black shoes, however, in 1982 the Hawks were wearing white shoes, hence the change in the painting.

Both of these paintings came from the David Boss Estate. So, makes it that much more spectacular for me.
[/quote]

Great history on the painting. What makes that ’79 pic even better is seeing the field judge with TOB (Title on back?) and stirrups[/quote]
is Largent wearing Sambas in that shot?[/quote]

I watched parts of the WPIAL playoffs at Heinz Field. My cousins son plays on West Allegheny who beat Hopewell. Hopewell is Tony Dorsett’s old school. My young cousin told me how cool it was to dress in the lockeroom and play on that field.

I was going to mention the Gateway Gators unis. How about that Gator skin design on the side of the jersey and pants. I like it.[/quote]

Notice the crosses on the chest of Greensboro Catholic…Polamalu disease must be spreading across PA.[/quote]

Detroit Catholic Central had them as well. They played in the MHSAA Division I championship game this year.

Ricko|
November 30, 2009 at 11:00 pm |

[quote comment=”364307″][quote comment=”364304″][quote comment=”364303″][quote comment=”364266″][quote comment=”364261″]Be kinda fun if the new coach took ’em back to kelly jerseys, wouldn’t it. Not forest. Forest green is not Kelly green.[/quote]

Thanks Mickel, that Largent painting was used for the front cover of a 1982 Gameday program. The actual photo is from a shot of Largent in 1979, where he\’s actually wearing black shoes, however, in 1982 the Hawks were wearing white shoes, hence the change in the painting.

Both of these paintings came from the David Boss Estate. So, makes it that much more spectacular for me.
[/quote]

Great history on the painting. What makes that ’79 pic even better is seeing the field judge with TOB (Title on back?) and stirrups[/quote]
is Largent wearing Sambas in that shot?[/quote]

I think those are Sambas. I was trying to find some info about them and I found a great pic of Adidas founder Adi Dassler. Does anyone know what logo is on his jacket? http://www.footy-boots.com/adidas-history-football-boots/ Its great.[/quote]
I want to say that logo is the German Football Federation logo in a previous incarnation — let me hunt down a current version which will have the DBF — in fact, the best place to see that will be the German Nat’l team kit.

aflfan|
November 30, 2009 at 11:01 pm |

Catholic Central had them on their helmets not their chest. My bad for misreading the post.

Thanks Mickel, that Largent painting was used for the front cover of a 1982 Gameday program. The actual photo is from a shot of Largent in 1979, where he\’s actually wearing black shoes, however, in 1982 the Hawks were wearing white shoes, hence the change in the painting.

Both of these paintings came from the David Boss Estate. So, makes it that much more spectacular for me.
[/quote]

Great history on the painting. What makes that ’79 pic even better is seeing the field judge with TOB (Title on back?) and stirrups[/quote]
is Largent wearing Sambas in that shot?[/quote]

[quote comment=”364288″][quote comment=”364287″]One thing I noted while looking at Oregon’s helmets is that the site was not sure about the Ducks 1968 helmet. One of my Ohio State books about the 1968 team had these 2 pictures. The 68 Ducks had a white oval with U O in green on the green helmet

Thanks Mickel, that Largent painting was used for the front cover of a 1982 Gameday program. The actual photo is from a shot of Largent in 1979, where he\’s actually wearing black shoes, however, in 1982 the Hawks were wearing white shoes, hence the change in the painting.

Both of these paintings came from the David Boss Estate. So, makes it that much more spectacular for me.
[/quote]

Great history on the painting. What makes that ’79 pic even better is seeing the field judge with TOB (Title on back?) and stirrups[/quote]
is Largent wearing Sambas in that shot?[/quote]

I think those are Sambas. I was trying to find some info about them and I found a great pic of Adidas founder Adi Dassler. Does anyone know what logo is on his jacket? http://www.footy-boots.com/adidas-history-football-boots/ Its great.[/quote]
I want to say that logo is the German Football Federation logo in a previous incarnation — let me hunt down a current version which will have the DBF — in fact, the best place to see that will be the German Nat’l team kit.[/quote]

Yes that is the logo of the DFB- governing body of German football. However, you won’t find that logo on the German’s kits as they have a separate crest. The DFB crest symbolizes the governing body where as the crest with the eagle symbolized the team itself.

The Woo|
December 3, 2009 at 11:33 am |

God, those Vikings throwbacks are gorgeous. I see that they’re selling them online for some players, too.

jack|
December 5, 2009 at 12:48 pm |

[quote comment=”364134″]Now that Al Groh has been fired at UVa…what do you guys think of thier uniforms??

I believe that they have one of the most underrated uniform set in the NCAA.[/quote]

Agreed. It’s a good uni. Very simple design. Good helmet logo. Nice to see a college team not getting all carried away.