We agree, but in order to have rights enacted it requires public support from
voters, because there’s no big money behind the animal rights movement. In fact,
we’re going against the big money interests.

Relatively few people are as willing to listen and learn as the student you
mentioned, unless they are motivated to do so. Thus, the question remains how to
we motivate these people? This is why we believe we need to have a two pronged
approach of both shock therapy and education.

By the way, this discussion is too good to just leave between us. Would you
mind if we published it in our discussion and animal rights section?