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How is having to pay someone $700 million coming out "way ahead?" It may not be over a billion, but it's still $700 million out of their pockets. I doubt putting AMC on the lower tier packages was Charlie's idea either?

Dish lost. And a lot of money moved from them to the other guys. And AMC likely got what they wanted and more. That's ain't winning, if you're Dish.

Must burn Charlie's *** that it ended this way.. Deleted emails and bullying people in court all but sealed E*'s fate.. Very Happy!!! for you DISH subs that got your channels back..Disputes have been very personal and nasty lately...Look at how bad the Viacom dispute was for D* it took Jon Stewart to rip them over that stance b4 people came back to the table I believe..

How is having to pay someone $700 million coming out "way ahead?" It may not be over a billion, but it's still $700 million out of their pockets. I doubt putting AMC on the lower tier packages was Charlie's idea either?

Dish lost. And a lot of money moved from them to the other guys. And AMC likely got what they wanted and more. That's ain't winning, if you're Dish.

Think about it...

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong... but I believe Dish dropped Voom HD back in May of 2008... that means nearly 4.5 years of NOT paying Voom HD for those channels.

The speculation has Dish paying somewhere between $100-$200 million per year for those Voom HD channels... so the past 4.5 years of Voom HD would have cost Dish $450-$900 million!

Also... I believe they had something like a 15 year contract that was broken... so you could be talking another $900 million to $1.8 billion that Dish would still be locked into paying to Voom HD.

Now...

Dish paid $700 million to settle the lawsuit AND got some wireless licenses thrown their way!

The AMC extended new contract is a non-issue because had the trial not existed, AMC probably gets a new contract anyway... and Dish is paying for AMC programming that they get to sell to customers so any increase in rates there gets passed to Dish customers next time they adjust rates.

So... on the low side, Dish really owed Voom HD $450-$900 million anyway... but possibly as much as $1.35 to $2.7 billion!

So ask yourself that question again... and remember that the evidence this last couple of weeks REALLY started to go south for a Dish win... I expect Rainbow/AMC could have held out for a better settlement... and I won't complain... but man, given the state of the info coming out of the court the last week or so, this smells like a HUGE win for Dish when you tally everything up.

So ask yourself that question again... and remember that the evidence this last couple of weeks REALLY started to go south for a Dish win... I expect Rainbow/AMC could have held out for a better settlement... and I won't complain... but man, given the state of the info coming out of the court the last week or so, this smells like a HUGE win for Dish when you tally everything up.

Potential settlements/jury awards aside, as far as the fees and carriage deals, this came out as nearly a wash for both sides. No one really won or lost.

Analysts tend to agree:

ISI Group analyst Vijay Jayant said for Dish, the settlement was "better than expected." He explained: "I think investors thought it was going to be $1 billion. It's generally good for all." Asked before the market open whether Dish's stock should rise on Monday, he said: "It was up a lot last week in anticipation."

Credit Suisse analyst Stefan Anninger also highlighted the deal as a "positive outcome for Dish...given that Dish’s weak legal position in the case and AMC-Cablevision’s claim could have amounted to about $3 billion in cash with interest." He maintained his "outperform" rating and $38 price target, saying most of the news should be priced into the stock. "All in all, however, we think Dish shares will like [the] news," he said.

I can't believe some of you are spinning this like Dish is so smart in doing what they did like they're the good guys. The company broke their contract, lied about emails, destroyed evidence, etc. Talk about a scumbag way to do business.

If you stop responding to them or put them on ignore, then eventually they'll go away.

I'm just parsing but does it make sense that Dish figured they would lose but choose to tell Cablevision that 700 million cash is better than 2.4 billion of nothing? Couldn't dish drag an appeal out for years and years before paying up?

Yes, but then AMC would not get carriage on Dish during that time. Moving it to AT120 means that they not only get the 12% of their viewers back that they lost on July 1st, they gain even more customers. In the short run, the cash may seem like a better deal, but viewer fees plus advertising revenues are much, much greater.

I can't believe some of you are spinning this like Dish is so smart in doing what they did like they're the good guys. The company broke their contract, lied about emails, destroyed evidence, etc. Talk about a scumbag way to do business.

That was how Cablevison's lawyer portrayed Dish. Now, it was Dish's turn to trash Cablevison and show us how Cablevison betrayed Dish. We will never know what other information Dish had on Cablevision. However, there must of been enough dirt there to convince Cablevision to agree to a settlement. Also, the Dolan's had to stop the bleeding of ad revenue from AMC along with the carriage revenue.

How is having to pay someone $700 million coming out "way ahead?" It may not be over a billion, but it's still $700 million out of their pockets. I doubt putting AMC on the lower tier packages was Charlie's idea either?

Dish lost. And a lot of money moved from them to the other guys. And AMC likely got what they wanted and more. That's ain't winning, if you're Dish.

It seems like a win win situation to me. Dish now has even more wireless spectrum to add to what they have been buying up. They avoided a potential 2.7Billion fee for 700 Million and got the wireless as part of it.

Wall street is now happy with both corporations.

My question is how will this effect other upcoming negotiations for Dish and for AMC.Will Others take a tougher stance with AMC?Will Dish decide to take a even tougher stance with Disney?

I can't believe some of you are spinning this like Dish is so smart in doing what they did like they're the good guys. The company broke their contract, lied about emails, destroyed evidence, etc. Talk about a scumbag way to do business.

How about 100m$ to show new content then running back to back reruns on a dozen or so channels?Thats pretty shady too

It's got to be killing some people that AMC is back. Some people took pleasure in others not having it just because they don't watch it. Putting it down putting people down that watch TWD.

Good for AMC and Dish getting this done finally! Ha ha to the haters who said it wouldn't happen!

Couldn't agree more! The more Dish or DTV has to offer, the better for all subscribers.

It never ceases to amaze me how opinionated people can be. . . that a show or station is "lame", etc. b/c it is not their particular area of interest. This is why we have hundreds of stations.

What is to be gained by putting down anothers interest?

I'm just glad I "hung in there" and didn't switch to DTV. There is a lot on our DVR stored, and Dish gave me credits for some AMC programs that I watch. (Being an honest person, I did not request credits for the show I don't watch.) We also got some monthly discounts for a year, and the premiums for half for 6 months. Jerry and I have had AEP for eight years, so they wanted to retain us.

For those who cannot stream at home, and was not aware of this until Monday, AMC is running the first two eps starting 7:00 PM Sunday.

AMC would have lost nearly $100 million in ad revenue yearly by losing Dish. Carriage can only help their ratings.

Thanks to all for the great reports and "conversations" about this issue the last few months.

JOY

Walking a fine line between intellectual curiosity and information overload!

It seems like a win win situation to me. Dish now has even more wireless spectrum to add to what they have been buying up. They avoided a potential 2.7Billion fee for 700 Million and got the wireless as part of it.

Wall street is now happy with both corporations.

My question is how will this effect other upcoming negotiations for Dish and for AMC.Will Others take a tougher stance with AMC?Will Dish decide to take a even tougher stance with Disney?

I can't believe some of you are spinning this like Dish is so smart in doing what they did like they're the good guys. The company broke their contract, lied about emails, destroyed evidence, etc. Talk about a scumbag way to do business.

I have never seen anything like it. It's like Dish is a family member or something. I can understand being loyal but it's still a media company. People always tend to make excuses to make "their" side look better.

Some people on here are just doing it because again.... their sole purpose for posting in this thread is gone. They put down a the channel and the people that watch it. The sad thing is they claim to not care about the situation and never watch AMC. So why would they act so childish?? I think some of us here know why.

I have never seen anything like it. It's like Dish is a family member or something. I can understand being loyal but it's still a media company. People always tend to make excuses to make "their" side look better.

Some people on here are just doing it because again.... their sole purpose for posting in this thread is gone. They put down a the channel and the people that watch it. The sad thing is they claim to not care about the situation and never watch AMC. So why would they act so childish?? I think some of us here know why.

As if this post was in anyway shape or form mature right?Try reading your own posts before you sling the "childish" insult around lol.

I have never seen anything like it. It's like Dish is a family member or something. I can understand being loyal but it's still a media company. People always tend to make excuses to make "their" side look better.

Some people on here are just doing it because again.... their sole purpose for posting in this thread is gone. They put down a the channel and the people that watch it. The sad thing is they claim to not care about the situation and never watch AMC. So why would they act so childish?? I think some of us here know why.

+1 Never quite understood why those that don't watch the channel even bothered to post on this thread.

Its not like rates would drop if a channel is dropped. More likely we would have a slight increase next year to offset all the new programming and legal costs.