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The NAS perspective is very helpful to me, as I have just become involved with a Fortune 500 company that is insisting on a Kiva solution. The Netscape NAS information is so loaded with marketing jive that I can't get a lot of useful information out of it. I am hoping to comply with the letter of the requirement and violate its spirit by using AppLogics as minimally as possible, passing request/response strings back and forth to servlets with no intervention of any kind, but, you know, I am afraid I am going to get trashed for the additional overhead, coming as it does with no benefit whatsoever. Thanks for alerting me to this dangerous product.