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So I'm building my first touring bike for light touring (10 day trips or less) and commuting. I'm looking for an entry level touring frame and right now this is my short list:

All-City Space HorseSalsa CasseroleCivia Kingfield

What do you think?

Now I know what you're thinking: "RollingGoat! Why no Surly LHT or Soma Saga?" Well, I'm on the short side of average so in my size the LHT and Saga are designed for 650b wheels and I'd really prefer to stick with 700c

I'm currently using a Salsa Fargo as my touring bike, the only reason I went with this over the Casseroll or Vaya is I do a fair bit of off road touring so wanted to be able to run fatter tires some of the time. Been really happy with it so far and the build quality is very good with a few nice little details and touches that you wouldn't get from a major brand.

My boss in the shop I worked in when I got it bought himself a Casseroll after seeing the Fargo frame and seems to be very happy with no problems in the year/5000 miles!

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