I only suggested using whoosh as an energy changer when there was a row going on....no matter, your use made me smile

Regarding aiming too high.........well, my philosophy is that if you have to make a big jump, and you aim 5 miles, but then only succeed in jumping 4 and 1/2 miles, you can feel proud of the achievement of how far you've made it
If on the other hand, you know you got a big 5 mile jump to make, and you feel somehow incapable and only aim for 800 yds, but make it, when you land you can reward yourself at having made it easy, but you may be standing in kaka, looking 4 and a half miles ahead, and see me
Sorry, but I guess I'm just adventurous, and lay the cards on the table
The idea was to make people aware that there's a big task ahead, but lots of us, so no-one person need carry a burden
Do what you can, when you can.....it'll get done.......after all, it's not going away

So make your jump for yourself, but don't restrain others, as we aren't tethered together, and an aim in the sense of this project can be broken down into many smaller tasks, much more in people's comfort zones and together we can do it, if we have the will

I'm simply trying to give a bit of inspiration to get it started

bugs problems solutions etc can be collected in PLUG2 for now, as said earlier

So make your jump for yourself, but don't restrain others, as we aren't tethered together, and an aim in the sense of this project can be broken down into many smaller tasks, much more in people's comfort zones and together we can do it, if we have the will

I'm simply trying to give a bit of inspiration to get it started

Beem pointed out that perhaps the first thing you want is a scoping document/charter:

Perhaps get 3 or 4 of the more enthusiastic "members" (given that it isn't officially a "group" yet), and start carving out what you'd like PLUG to be.

I would nominate Aitch and PuppyLuvr as a start for some charter admins. You both have the enthusiasm, and experience with Puppy to guide the process.

It sounds as if WhoDo has volunteered as a Murga admin for the section.

I don't want any real role -- I don't really have the time to take on what I easily see this becoming. I will happily kibbutz on things, however.

I could see PLUG as playing a huge role, by simply collecting known solutions (e.g. my query about USB wireless cards). Identifying Puppy software repositories, and perhaps documenting what the software is, what it does, and which versions of Puppy it is known (or designed) to run under.

(actually, I know what Deadbeef is...but its name sure doesn't tell you that).

If PLUG created a software index, pointing to these repositories, it would help noobies massively, and even help more experienced users.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I could see this as a lot of book-keeping.
Book-keeping on bugs, suggestions and wish lists would help the Devs.
Book-keeping on software, and hardware solutions/choices would help the users at all levels.

And it won't happen all at once, but the framework could be set up, and for example, users could contribute their knowledge to the software index. The admins could mark these contributions as "contributed" or "confirmed", depending on their level of confidence on the contributed statement. This would spread the work around, and the key librarians would just need to monitor._________________Add swapfileWellMinded Search

I DID list derivatives in a separate sub-section from 'Official Puppy', so popular derivatives like yours would be high on the list, and it is definitely NOT the intention to forget anyone, or any type of Puppy based setup - please add yours to the derivatives full list, (below)
If you're quick, you'll beat ttuuxxx, and the others

Mind you, it IS good to see someone else trying to motivate folks, even if our methods vary

Who exactly is complaining...?

raffy's post here, seems to have both diverted a few people away from the objective, and attracted a few moaners

If you come across those 3 or 4 more enthusiastic members who didn't leave or get given the heave-ho for upsetting forum mods or admin....please send them along....I could use the extra help

So far the position is that I have made the only suggestion for a forum structure, (see above) and asked for people to comment/modify/add to/detract from....so we can get 3 nominee admins to agree it.......yet all that's happened so far is people asking for more - from charters, road maps, to mind maps, to anything except anywhere near an agreement that John can implement, so folks can get on with it..........

Thanks for supporting myself and puppyluvr, and if you spot any other positive posts, I'll gladly add them

I'm still waiting for nominee admin comment on the proposed structure, or an alternate 'vision' for the future growth of the forum that might inspire a few people...

The creative projects Joe and countless others have worked on were done in free and fairly unrestricted environment. None needed the "dictator model" Joe referred to in order to be creative. I certainly don't conceive of any reason to implement such a thing. Although, I do question why anyone thinks they need such powers.

(For anyone not familiar with this, the request for the PLUG includes the request for extra moderators who will have absolute ownership of the section who will implement absolute rules)

A lot of us think the peer-to-peer relationship is a key reason why open source software is such successful a model. I think some people won't welcome the new model and for good reason.

And lastly, of course the PLUG will extend power to the other sub-forums on this site.

(For anyone not familiar with this, the request for the PLUG includes the request for extra moderators who will have absolute ownership of the section who will implement absolute rules)

The reason that the moderator structure was proposed for the PLUG was to insure that a rogue moderator could not alter, delete or move posts based of whatever agenda the rogue used, rather than a clear and public set of rules.

Is there any value in collecting data about a test coverage for new releases, maybe with "known issues".
It would require a database with test volunteers, including list of machines/configurations they would be able to test on.

Oh, sorry I belatedly found out that there was this debate.
But I would add that I appreciate that Puppy Linux has continued to exist since 2011, despite the difficulties to continue with the same joy and creativity that took until 2011.
Moreover, regarding the group PLUG there, I think Puppy Linux is not the only free technology organization that has chosen that path.
I see for example that opensourceecology.org is also a very interesting and creative organization, and like puppy, also recognizes its internal operating problem: http://forum.opensourceecology.org/discussion/1004/why-is-ose-so-quiet-lately

Having the ability to recognize the internal problems and also have the ability to explain it publicly, speaks about our strength as an organization and also its human and natural quality, since most of the organizations, especially companies, rely on the secret as a way to defend the rest of the people, because they tend to see others as enemies.

Regarding the future, I recommend the link between free culture organizations, and its worldwide promotion. It is a way to draw, and we should encourage this union through international events such linking people dedicated to hardware and free software.

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