Around the 1:20 mark is what a real missile hit looks like, just to prove that you are right and it's a bad fake. That's actual insurgent video of
a DHL A300 being hit with a shoulder fired missile over Iraq, and it flying back to land.

originally posted by: imod02
If this is so then you cannot use your moderator title, just something to think about, also noone with moderator powers should be aloud to express
there own views on the site they moderate.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

That's not quite the way that it works, you have it backwards. What we do is not moderate in threads in which we express our views. Hence the
mod tags, which we sometimes use.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Slightly off topic but still relevant, have you seen the paint configuration differences / similarities between MH17 and MH370. Whatever 777 this is,
it was brought down intentionally ......... what is the agenda?

My reply...Maybe some simple backward idiot did think that downing this plane would draw the rest of the world into this Ukraine/Russia
conflict.

Um... maybe because they were ordered NOT to ,... you see pilots just don't do things on their own... they fly under orders and DO things under
orders...WW3 would have started otherwise...

Now do you really think that Ukraine sent two fighters to escort a commercial airliner over hostile territory and they see the jet get shot down, and
you don't think they would be given orders to neutralize that threat.

How would WW3 start by Ukraine neutralizing an insurgent weapon that will certainly be used against them?

It is quite plausible that the fighters were sent up to "nudge" the airliner into dangerous airspace so it could be shot down by a surface to air
missile...

No radio communication between the fighters and the airliner are needed... the airliner would make a course correction to avoid close proximity to the
fighters...then when the airliner is where the fighters were ordered to "nudge" it,... they break off and the missile is fired...

The CVR was damaged but the memory module was intact. Furthermore no evidence or indications of manipulation of the CVR was found. "Following the
examination, the CVR data was successfully downloaded and contained valid data from the flight. The downloaded data have to be further analysed and
investigated."

Waiting for the results of the "independent" investigation, hope the russians have a copy and it cannot be faked...

Why would Russia even get a copy, as they have no citizens on that plane therefore they have no reason to even be involved unless they are going to
get the separatists to stop mining the road to the crash site.

The only countries that should get copies are the one's who lost citizens in the crash, and Ukraine because it was shot down over Ukraine.

And if they aren't supplying the weapons to the separatists then what do they care, because they supposedly aren't involved with what's going on in
Ukraine.

Why would Russia even get a copy, as they have no citizens on that plane therefore they have no reason to even be involved unless they are going to
get the separatists to stop mining the road to the crash site.

Well, after all the histrionics, finger-pointing and flat-out accusing Russia for the tragedy, I think they probably deserve a copy.

As usually, "exercise" ended with false flag attack. The same as 911, 7/7, Sandy Hook or Boston Marathon?

The 10-day NATO exercise code named «BREEZE 2014» has ended in Black Sea. The exercise, which included the use of electronic warfare and
electronic intelligence aircraft such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler and the Boeing E3 Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), coincided
with the shootdown of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine, some 40 miles from the Russian border. NATO ships and aircraft had the Donetsk
and Luhansk regions under total radar and electronic surveillance.

The U.S. Army has revealed that the 10-day exercise involved «commercial traffic monitoring». Because of the sophistication of the electronic
warfare and intelligence used during SEA BREEZE, it can be assumed that commercial traffic monitoring included monitoring the track of MH-

Yeah, because 452 miles from Donetsk to a port on the coast of the Black Sea (not into the Black Sea itself, just to a port) is certainly right there
in the neighborhood of where this happened. They'd certainly have training materials in the region that far from the actual exercise that could have
been used in a false flag.

The Russian radar data showed what they claimed was a single Su-25, which couldn't have shot it down using a canon. Interestingly, it also appeared
on a radar that was in standby (which is essentially warmup mode, so it shouldn't have been transmitting) which they claimed could only show targets
over 16,400 feet. It ALSO only showed up AFTER MH17 had been hit and broke apart (MH17 was down to something like 200 knots when it showed up), and
interestingly enough, was on the radar for roughly the same amount of time that it would have taken the debris from the aircraft to fall from 33,000
feet to the ground.

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