These systems are set up to fail on purpose thats what makes it so horrific for minorities.
Do real hard line research of the system, shake your world up it will. Spend months reading white papers and books that come from the CFR and other held in secrecy "think tanks" of the world. Link them to who they are what their power indeed is. Who they influence and the changes that have taken place.

Everything was setup in the beginning to work, it has slowly been corrupted and twisted.

I just read a news article regarding whites being a minority in quite a few major cities in the US. I don't think AA plays as big of a role now as it once did. I have never had a problem with it, nor did I not get a job because of it. If you know your stuff, you know your stuff, therefore you get the job. I have never hired anyone because we needed to mix it up a little. I think anyone that whines about it (in my experience) are jealous.

Work is often unfair. AA is a very very small slice of that unfairness. I just wonder why so many here seem obsessed with it. If you think the business world is mostly a meritocracy, you are either young or never worked.

I haven't argued in favor of AA, just that its not such a big deal that all our white brethren victims are making it out to be. I think its probably a decent response to the various forms of racism and nepotism in the work place and really don't see the problem with hiring a minority when all things are equal. AA does not call for hiring unqualified or less qualified people.

I dislike AA because it passively tells a minority that white people are so racist that they will choose to hire a white person, and it also tells minorities that they are so beneath white people that institutions will accept their lower scores and call it equal.

I don't even think AA is a big enough deal to be for or against. It has very little impact in the real world and isn't even what most people here are defining it as. If it were, as defined by the racists here, I would be against it. As it stands in reality, AA allows for qualified minority candidates to obtain jobs they have been historically denied. I am like-wise not all in a tither about nepotism or legacy admissions, and those are a much larger problems.

And I don't assume anything about "everyone" ...just the whiners on this this board who both publicly proclaim themselves to be racist AND victims and then decry AA. It is kind of hard to take such seriously. Poor oppressed white dudes who are stuck in menial, clerical jobs and its everyone fault but their own. Boo hoo.

RacistPaul asks a question about a statement I never made and thinks he is clever.

I don't even think AA is a big enough deal to be for or against. It has very little impact in the real world

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I have no interest in being responsible for racial discrimination. That you are so unconcerned by being responsible for it at whatever level of impact you think it has makes it clear your protestations against discrimination are hollow.

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As it stands in reality, AA allows for qualified minority candidates to obtain jobs they have been historically denied.

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So should new companies be excluded from AA requirements since there is no historical denial of jobs there?

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And I don't assume anything about "everyone" ...just the whiners on this this board who both publicly proclaim themselves to be racist AND victims and then decry AA.

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I don't believe we've ever had one of those. Have you been talking to yourself this whole time?

"And I don't assume anything about "everyone" ...just the whiners on this this board who both publicly proclaim themselves to be racist AND victims and then decry AA. It is kind of hard to take such cry seriously. Poor oppressed white dudes who are stuck in menial, clerical jobs and its everyone fault but their own. Boo hoo. "

How can you call anyone a racist when you're just about unanimously considered the biggest racist on the board, poet? I know this whole "you're a racist, dood!" crapola is getting old and busted, but damn, Frodo.

Also, who is claiming to be a victim? Of AA? I have yet to hear anyone say that they were denied a job or lost a job due to it, nor have I heard anyone say that they were oppressed and victimized due to being a white man. People point out inconvenient facts that you sure don't like to hear tho, don't they?

Which of the poor oppressed "white dudes" are stuck in menial, clerical jobs and claim it is everyone else's fault but their own?

I advise my children against making relationships/friendships with blacks due to their current culture in the US today. I have never told them to not go near them, ignore them or treat them without respect. In fact, I have taught them the exact opposite and made it a point to teach them that black people are the same as anyone else and deserve the same amount of common courtesy and respect that they should show anyone else. I have also taught them to avoid making friendships/relationships with a number of other kinds of people, white people included, while also teaching them in the same manner regarding common courtesy and respect.
Would you teach your kids to make friendships/relationships with kids that are druggies or in gangs, or would you teach them to avoid those types of people?
I'm fully aware that all black people aren't in gangs or otherwise, but it's the circle of friends, associations and interactions with the various groups among them that trouble me. Until the time comes that they are capable of discerning people and character and where certain friends and relationships can lead them, I will continue to parent them in that regard.

I grew up and experienced a lot of different kinds of people, got into my share of trouble and hung out with the wrong crowd more often than I should have. I'm sure many people here can relate to that. To claim that black and white youth culture are the same is a flat out lie. Don't believe everything you see on television, but much of it isn't too far off the mark when it comes to portraying the cultures. Coming from the mean streets of New York and the 'hoods there I would imagine you know what I mean? Anyway, deny it, scream racism, laugh it off or whatever... the fact remains that statistics speak clearly and I have seen much of it with my own eyes and I don't like it, and I certainly don't want my kids around it. If that means not forming relationships with around 13% of the population, then so be it. Better safe than sorry imo.

Also, you have still not said how this qualifies as racism. Can you answer that, or not? Prejudiced, maybe. Racist, no. I even provided the definition for you, remember?

You seem to have left out the other 99% of what I said yet again, poet.

See, it would be like you saying " I will not permit my children to even talk to Jewish people who are pedophiles."

Then I would come back and quote you as saying that you will not permit your children to even talk to Jewish people, leaving the rest out of the quote and calling you a bigot or racist.

As I said, you show a pretty consistent pattern in your accusations and debates and that is why it's difficult to have a rational discussion with you. You want to flaunt your elitist and enlightened , holier than thou self all the time. But, whatever.

I read the study, and I am not clear where those numbers are coming from. I was surprised that even when adding in capital gains it looks like Asian households make on average 4k more a year than white households. Keep in mind that is basically taxable income only though. Those figures are always going to be skewed by those at either end of the income spectrum. Still it is probably the best we can do for comparative analysis. I don't think a mean is valuable at all though.

*EDIT* Did a quick google search and it looks like Asian women are twice as likely to have a four year or advanced degree too. Given that those numbers are actually kind of sad. You would have to look at similarly situated people to make a difference. There are only 4 million Asians according to the census data. I am going to not only call that data valueless, but chastise myself for leaving open an opportunity for a valueless "win" for the thoughtless.

*EDIT* Did a quick google search and it looks like Asian women are twice as likely to have a four year or advanced degree too. Given that those numbers are actually kind of sad. You would have to look at similarly situated people to make a difference. There are only 4 million Asians according to the census data. I am going to not only call that data valueless, but chastise myself for leaving open an opportunity for a valueless "win" for the thoughtless.

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Just out of curiosity, what percentage of black women have 4 year or advanced degrees? Since you can discount the fact that Asians make more based on the fact that Asian women do have the degrees, couldn't you by the same token discount lower earnings by black people if they didn't have such degrees?

You aren't by any chance just looking for stats that rationalize your prejudices are you and then ignoring those same stats when they don't?