#raspberrypi IRC Log

IRC Log for 2013-01-19

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[0:00]<Dagger2> (I'm guessing it's bad if it puts 5 V there, because it suggests the RxD/TxD ports will also be 5 V. and I should probably hand this conversation over to someone that knows what they're talking about now)[0:03]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #raspberrypi[0:04]<antix_> it doesnt say[0:05]<antix_> but it does have vcc labelled[0:05]<antix_> it's possible it may ned the 5v[0:05]<antix_> but im not sure why it would deviate from the 3.3 that is required?[0:05]<antix_> if it means anything i got it from hong kong[0:05]<antix_> it's unbranded and off ebay[0:05]* turndevil (~turndevil@port-92-194-88-5.dynamic.qsc.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[0:06]<mgottschlag> antix_: btw, you do not need to connect +3.3V at all, just GND and RX/TX[0:07]<mgottschlag> first thing to check, did you connect the pi's TX to the adapter's RX?[0:07]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)[0:08]* Sendoushi (~Musok@cm2-84-91-84-50.netvisao.pt) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[0:09]<mgottschlag> but that *should* work, and the fact that your pi didn't release any magic smoke means that you seem to have a 3.3V serial adapter[0:09]* brougham (brougham@wintermute.brougham.info) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[0:09]* Nebukadneza (~quassel@ghostdub.de) has left #raspberrypi[0:11]* d3nd3 (~dende@cpc10-croy17-2-0-cust245.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[0:13]* dape (~dani@freenode/sponsor/dape) Quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"])[0:15]* Jever| (~Jever@unaffiliated/jever) has joined #raspberrypi[0:15]* [Gordio] (~Gordio@46.211.120.180) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:15]* Gordio (~Gordio@46.211.120.180) has joined #raspberrypi[0:16]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) has joined #raspberrypi[0:16]* brougham (brougham@wintermute.brougham.info) has joined #raspberrypi[0:17]* Jever (~Jever@unaffiliated/jever) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[0:19]* [SkG] (~sconde@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[0:20]* user82_ (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:22]* BCMM (~BCMM@unaffiliated/bcmm) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[0:22]* tektsu (~Adium@wsip-174-79-34-244.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[0:23]* dape (~dani@freenode/sponsor/dape) has joined #raspberrypi[0:24]* Yachtsman (~Yachtsman@173-106-161-154.pools.spcsdns.net) Quit (Quit: gogo)[0:30]* Zitter (~danilo@87.17.178.140) has joined #raspberrypi[0:30]* Laice (4d630d38@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.99.13.56) has joined #raspberrypi[0:30]<Laice> morning/evening/afternoon[0:30]* gr4yscale (~gr4yscale@107-1-54-178-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[0:30]<Zitter> is it possible to install debian on RPI without X server? Is there a minimal image to download/install?[0:31]<Laice> is thd a critical process for the cli?[0:31]<Laice> haha[0:31]* lifelike (~lifelike@bas6-windsor12-1279528457.dsl.bell.ca) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[0:31]<Laice> Zitter i've just converted mine myself :)[0:31]* aphadke (~Adium@2620:101:8003:200:ac1a:5d70:746:c07b) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[0:32]<Laice> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/31/84-mb-minimal-raspbian-armhf-image-for-raspberry-pi/#ixzz22CdLsVxn follow the guide bit - didnt have much luck with the image itself[0:32]<Laice> don't just blindly fire commands in either, couple are dangerous[0:32]<Zitter> ok, thx :)[0:32]<Laice> but be careful either way[0:32]* Weaselweb (~quassel@77-64-181-50.dynamic.primacom.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:33]* emc_ (~cburgdorf@93-96-151-253.zone4.bethere.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[0:33]<emc_> hi, ??? is there an alternative to the raspberri pi using an x86 processor?[0:33]<emc_> my printer drivers wouldn't compile on ARM.[0:34]* earl2 (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[0:34]<Laice> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8cpxnjx1dv7csi/pi.png what i've got mine down to[0:34]* ukscone (~Adium@cpe-24-193-113-179.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:35]<Laice> why i was just asking about the thd daemon, is it a crucial process for the terminal or could it be cut?[0:35]<Laice> trying to squeeze every byte in here[0:36]* mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[0:39]* Datalink (~Datalink@unaffiliated/datalink) has joined #raspberrypi[0:41]* dj_pi (~asd@c-107-5-25-243.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:42]* earl2 (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #raspberrypi[0:45]<NullMoogleCable> how can you tell if your pi is crashed?[0:45]<xzr> one would suggest that a non-functional pi has crashed[0:46]<NullMoogleCable> well i unplugged the keyboard and mouse durring apt-get upgrade[0:47]<NullMoogleCable> been stuck at libapt-inst1.5:armhf... for over a 1/2 hour now with cpu monitor in dash saying 100%[0:48]<mac-> from where can I get latests Linux kernel to compile it on my RPi?[0:48]<NullMoogleCable> plugged the mouse back in and its not working same with keyboard[0:49]<mac-> it is regular vanilla from kernel.org?[0:50]<Laice> down to 17 mb :D https://www.dropbox.com/s/isqby1e3zpif8cc/pi2.png[0:51]* lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk[0:51]<NullMoogleCable> would it be safe to say. if i cant ssh in that the PI is locked up? and should be power cycled?[0:51]<Laice> have you changed anything recently?[0:52]* Rukouen (~Rukouen@c220-239-165-134.randw3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined #raspberrypi[0:54]<NullMoogleCable> me?[0:54]<Laice> aye[0:55]<NullMoogleCable> just unpluged the keyboard and mouse[0:55]<Laice> hmmm that's odd[0:55]<Laice> so it's headless?[0:55]<NullMoogleCable> no[0:55]<Laice> what was it doing when it crashed? or is it mostly idle?[0:56]<NullMoogleCable> full apt-get upgrade[0:56]<NullMoogleCable> 100% load[0:56]* nils_2_ (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[0:56]<Laice> overclocked?[0:56]<NullMoogleCable> no[0:56]<Laice> odd then[0:56]<Laice> i'd give it a few[0:57]<NullMoogleCable> has heatsink too[0:57]<Laice> then you don't really have another option, either it's doing something it needs time for or it's crashed[0:57]<NullMoogleCable> its been a 1/2 hour or more now[0:57]<Laice> small localised powercut should do the trick then :P[0:58]* Ryiel (5001c4ef@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.1.196.239) Quit (Quit: Page closed)[0:58]* nils_2_ (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Client Quit)[0:59]* Armand (~martin@cpc17-haye16-2-0-cust427.haye.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[0:59]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) Quit (Quit: Verlassend)[1:00]<NullMoogleCable> here goes nothing[1:00]* Drod (Drod@177.40.79.194) has joined #raspberrypi[1:01]* shurizzle (~shura@unaffiliated/shurizzle) Quit (Quit: gn8)[1:02]<Laice> would be worth when it's back up checking the logs to see if it managed to log anything[1:02]* Drod (Drod@177.40.79.194) has left #raspberrypi[1:03]<Laice> g'luck![1:03]* Laice is now known as Laice|zZzZ[1:04]<cozmic\> anyone here using pianobar? i'm getting an tls handshake error[1:05]* nils_2_ (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[1:05]* hadifarnoud (~hadifarno@cpc5-glfd6-2-0-cust61.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:06]* willatwood (~textual@pool-96-250-126-107.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has left #raspberrypi[1:07]* Laice|zZzZ (4d630d38@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.99.13.56) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[1:11]<Coburn> Anyone got a link to the bootloader github for r-pi?[1:13]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:14]<linuxstb> Coburn: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware[1:14]* Mortvert (Mortvert@reddit/operator/mortvert) Quit ()[1:16]* Kane (~Kane@102.17.197.77.rev.sfr.net) Quit (Quit: Night all o/)[1:18]* m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) Quit (Quit: Sto andando via)[1:20]* scummos (~sven@p4FDCDBA3.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[1:21]* scummos (~sven@p4FDCDBA3.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:27]* wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: I just broke my connection, but no worries, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.)[1:27]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[1:28]* earl2 (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[1:29]* Jever| (~Jever@unaffiliated/jever) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[1:36]* int3nz0r (~int3nz0r@86.86.66.141) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[1:37]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:37]* peetaur2 (~peter@hmbg-5f76367e.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[1:37]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:38]* xCP23x (xCP23x@149.241.236.236) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[1:38]* Heckles (~Heckles@02db1aa4.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:40]* audiodef (~quassel@pool-71-191-172-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[1:44]* Heckles (~Heckles@02db1aa4.bb.sky.com) Quit (Quit: Heckles)[1:46]* sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-225-237.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[1:49]* dr_willis (~dr_willis@2601:d:a180:2b:ba27:ebff:fee3:3bd5) has joined #raspberrypi[1:51]* tinti (~tinti@pdpc/supporter/student/tinti) has joined #raspberrypi[1:58]* njoubert (~njoubert@c-50-136-153-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:58]* LowValueTarget (~lowvaluet@unaffiliated/lowvaluetarget) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[1:59]* Orion_ (~Orion_@205.118.211.29) Quit (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~)[2:01]* ninjak (~ninjak@151.66.248.101) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[2:01]* KeatonT (~textual@unaffiliated/keatont) has joined #raspberrypi[2:01]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[2:01]* emc_ (~cburgdorf@93-96-151-253.zone4.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Quit: emc_)[2:03]* flowsnake (~oops@cpc26-aztw25-2-0-cust894.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[2:03]* zezba9000 (~smuxi@65.33.177.84) has joined #raspberrypi[2:08]<zezba9000> Has anyone here gotten GLES2 to run on the PI?? Im on SoftFloat Debian and have GL creating a context and surface.[2:09]<zezba9000> Everything seems to be running fine, but nothing is presented to the screen when I call swapbuffers...[2:09]<zezba9000> Here is the code I use to create GLES: http://pastebin.com/7mhf6WFG[2:10]<zezba9000> I am creating a x11 window before creating GLES, but its not being used... Its just shown.[2:12]<dr_willis> over my head. l;)[2:12]<dr_willis> i dont code much.[2:12]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[2:13]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:16]* njoubert (~njoubert@c-50-136-153-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: njoubert)[2:18]* bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[2:20]<Coburn> Oh joy[2:20]<Coburn> Kernel OOPS on R-Pi 256Mb one when unplugging WLAN adapter[2:22]* nils_2_ (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[2:25]<dr_willis> hmm what os you using Coburn[2:25]<Coburn> debian[2:25]<Coburn> raspbian[2:25]<Coburn> brb[2:25]<dr_willis> not seen that on rasbian here. but im not sure what version of it im using either. i havent updated in like 4 weeks[2:28]* warzauwynn (~lullabud@67.107.141.2.ptr.us.xo.net) Quit (Quit: warzauwynn)[2:28]<Torikun> yo[2:28]* raistlix (~raistlix@pool-108-15-94-103.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:29]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[2:29]* KeatonT (~textual@unaffiliated/keatont) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[2:30]<dr_willis> moo![2:31]<raistlix> Agreed[2:32]* MichaelC is now known as MichaelC|Sleep[2:32]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[2:33]<dr_willis> hmm. a load average of 1.5 is high isent it? ;)[2:37]<Coburn> back[2:37]<Coburn> I'm using a 3.6 kernel[2:39]<antix_> Dagger2: finally got it[2:39]<antix_> the serial-usb thingo requires opposite rx/tx[2:39]<antix_> to the pi[2:39]<antix_> and also it requires that i don't put in the power to the vcc[2:40]<antix_> i think it might not be a level shifter[2:40]<antix_> just a serial port to usb thing[2:40]<antix_> which is sort of annoying i suppose[2:40]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[2:40]<antix_> powering it solely through serial would have been cool[2:40]<Dagger2> I think the VCC is more for powering (low-power!) devices[2:40]<Dagger2> try to pull an amp through a chip like the one on those converters, and they get Rather Warm[2:41]<antix_> yeh, i think with the level shifter u can use that though[2:41]<Dagger2> (I did exactly the same to mine, nearly burnt myself on it)[2:41]<antix_> yeh mine was getting really warm[2:41]<antix_> i probably could power it through it[2:41]<antix_> but at the risk of damaging components over time i think ill pass[2:44]* audiodef (~quassel@pool-71-191-172-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:47]* Zitter (~danilo@87.17.178.140) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[2:48]<Coburn> imma rebootin', got a oops on my linux pc[2:49]* Coburn is now known as Coburn|Away[2:51]* kkimlabs (~kkimlabs@c-67-188-1-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:52]<NullMoogleCable> is there a way to make the ok led blink as a heartbeat?[2:55]* Coburn|Away is now known as Coburn[2:56]* njoubert (~njoubert@c-50-136-153-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:59]* Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[2:59]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[3:01]* double-you (~Miranda@178-26-159-95-dynip.superkabel.de) Quit (Quit: ja)[3:03]<scummos> NullMoogleCable: yes but don't ask me how to do it[3:03]<scummos> "write 1MB to disk every second"[3:04]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-rc3)[3:06]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)[3:07]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) has joined #raspberrypi[3:09]* scummos (~sven@p4FDCDBA3.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[3:09]* Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49) has joined #raspberrypi[3:11]<Coburn> that's a nice way to burn out sd[3:11]* Orion_ (~Orion_@199.30.186.177) has joined #raspberrypi[3:13]* Oejet (~Oejet@unaffiliated/oejet) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[3:19]* gongoputch (~kseel@freebsd/op/gongoputch) has joined #raspberrypi[3:20]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[3:23]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:23]<roaster> anybody an idea on how to setup remote debugging for a shared library?[3:24]* zyklon (~zyklon@122-57-187-237.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #raspberrypi[3:27]* UnaClocker (~Una@c-67-185-8-139.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:28]* alpha080 (~alpha080@36.251.69.148) has joined #raspberrypi[3:32]* piney0 (~piney@pool-173-54-81-151.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[3:37]* Orion_ (~Orion_@199.30.186.177) Quit (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~)[3:39]* Orion_ (~Orion_@199.30.186.177) has joined #raspberrypi[3:39]* Neqoxec (~duke@184.20.74.77) has joined #raspberrypi[3:40]* ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-away[3:40]<hadifarnoud> have you guys seen this? http://mitchtech.net/raspberry-pi-google-talk-robot/[3:40]<hadifarnoud> so much can be done.[3:41]* warzauwynn (~lullabud@c-67-160-200-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:43]* drago757 (~drago757@pool-173-66-42-163.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:44]* Macer (mace@scientiam.org) has joined #raspberrypi[3:44]<Macer> hello[3:44]<Macer> is anybody using their pi as a web server?[3:45]* warzauwynn (~lullabud@c-67-160-200-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Client Quit)[3:45]* audiodef (~quassel@pool-71-191-172-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[3:46]<Coburn> Blast[3:46]<Coburn> Macer: I did a webserver distro for the R-Pi[3:46]<Coburn> but if you're thinking of making a Pi to run a highly popular site[3:47]<Coburn> forget it, you'll kill it[3:47]<Macer> define highly popular heh[3:47]* Gordio (~Gordio@46.211.120.180) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[3:47]* Digital_Lemon (o.o@unaffiliated/digital-lemon) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[3:47]<Macer> i was just thinking small site but using apache/php/mysql[3:47]<Macer> something like fengoffice[3:47]* Gordio (~Gordio@46.211.120.180) has joined #raspberrypi[3:48]<Macer> my synology is an armv5 with 128MB and it is dying running fengoffice[3:48]<Macer> i just figured it was due to lack of ram[3:48]<Macer> so 5x the ram might help it out a bit .. not to mention the "better" arm[3:50]<Macer> if push comes to shove i'll just build a new nas that runs an x86 and put freenas on it[3:50]<Macer> heh[3:50]<Macer> the synology j series is crap[3:52]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[3:52]* raistlix (~raistlix@pool-108-15-94-103.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[3:52]* Orion_ (~Orion_@199.30.186.177) Quit (Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~)[3:56]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[3:57]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[3:57]* hadifarnoud (~hadifarno@cpc5-glfd6-2-0-cust61.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[4:00]* SgrA (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[4:00]<Neqoxec> trying to get mpd running on arch linux, it's complaining "Failed to open ALSA device "default"". Not sure what I should set device to.[4:06]* drago757 (~drago757@pool-173-66-42-163.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[4:07]* drago757 (~drago757@pool-173-66-42-163.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:09]<Zarek_> try `hw:0`[4:10]* piney0 (~piney@unaffiliated/piney0) has joined #raspberrypi[4:12]<Neqoxec> nope, neither "hw:0" or "hw:0,0" work[4:12]<Zarek_> hmm.[4:13]<Neqoxec> Failed to open "My ALSA Device" [alsa]: Failed to open ALSA device "hw:0": No such file or directory[4:13]* SgrA (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) has joined #raspberrypi[4:13]<Zarek_> does `cat /proc/asound/cards` give anything?[4:13]<Neqoxec> 0 [ALSA ]: BRCM bcm2835 ALSbcm2835 ALSA - bcm2835 ALSA[4:14]<Neqoxec> mocp works via alsa, but you don't have to specify a device with it[4:15]<Zarek_> yeah, `default` should work[4:15]<Gordio> Zarek_++;[4:15]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:15]<Zarek_> as should hw:0 given the card is *there*[4:17]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Client Quit)[4:17]<Zarek_> only thing i can suggest is playing with the conf until in works, i remember having issues setting up mpd on my server a while back[4:17]<Neqoxec> yeah it's pretty finicky. I'll keep toying with it[4:18]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:24]* alpha080 (~alpha080@36.251.69.148) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[4:24]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:25]* tinti (~tinti@pdpc/supporter/student/tinti) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[4:27]* nid0 (nidO@dsl-fixed-94-30-53-17.interdsl.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[4:27]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[4:27]* mdszy (~mdszy@unaffiliated/mdszy) has joined #raspberrypi[4:29]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:29]* MichaelC|Sleep is now known as MichaelC[4:34]* UnaClocker (~Una@c-67-185-8-139.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[4:35]* UnaClocker (~una@c-67-185-8-139.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:38]<UnaClocker> My new favoritist command??? "sudo !!"[4:38]<mdszy> that is very helpful indeed[4:39]<Torikun> 3 node pi cluster all up![4:39]<UnaClocker> I can't believe I've been using Linux for like 14+ years, and I just learned that command..[4:43]<jph_> UnaClocker: what the[4:43]<UnaClocker> Eh?[4:43]<piney0> sudo !foo will run the last command that started with foo not as useful as !!, but still useful[4:43]<jph_> how does that even happen[4:43]<rikkib> Is James Chapman Jamesh of the Rasdpberry Pi forum?[4:43]<jph_> oh[4:43]<UnaClocker> jph_: Self taught, and I forgot to mention it to myself.[4:43]<jph_> you mean !! not sudo[4:44]<jph_> i thought you just discovered sudo[4:44]<UnaClocker> Yeah, the !! part after sudo.. Really handy when you have a command that has to be run as root..[4:44]<UnaClocker> Nah..[4:44]* herdingcat (~huli@222.128.172.160) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[4:44]<mdszy> One thing I find super useful are zsh's plugins, including this history-substring-search one. Type part of a command, hit up to search through history for that text.[4:45]<Zarek_> another useful thing (though this is zsh-specific, i believe) is substitution - say I run `less /etc/foo` then realize i want to edit that file, i can run `^less^subl` and it substitutes and runs `subl /etc/foo`[4:45]<jph_> i keep meaning to learn / switch to zsh.. but bash is "good enough"[4:45]<mdszy> Zarek_, that works in bash too[4:45]<mdszy> jph_, trust me, once you go to zsh (especially with some plugins) you'll never go back[4:45]<Zarek_> i never use bash heheh[4:45]<UnaClocker> heh, interesting.[4:46]<Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com/?q=node/11 <--Pi Cluster[4:46]<Torikun> Site may load slow since I am backing up all the nodes via network/usb[4:47]<Zarek_> also, if you make the jump to zsh, i <3 oh-my-zsh (https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh)[4:48]<mdszy> I used to use OhMyZSH, now I just use my own stuff split across multiple files.[4:49]<Zarek_> i'm lazy ;)[4:49]<mdszy> heh[4:50]<Zarek_> i will eventually write my own config from scratch, but this works well for now[4:51]* ukscone (~Adium@cpe-24-193-113-179.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[4:52]* ukgamer is now known as ukgamer|away[4:53]<NullMoogleCable> is there a way to make the ok led blink as a system heartbeat or root disk access?[4:59]* jackmackg (~ARTgames@cpe-76-187-191-192.tx.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[5:00]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[5:01]<UnaClocker> Torikun: Very nice.[5:01]<Torikun> ty[5:02]<UnaClocker> What case is that?[5:02]<Torikun> let me find the url[5:02]<Torikun> http://www.amazon.com/CY-Raspberry-Pi-Case-Blueberry/dp/B00A42HTLC/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1358568152&sr=8-7&keywords=raspberry+pi+case[5:03]<UnaClocker> Ahh, cool.[5:06]<UnaClocker> I'm thinking about getting this case: https://tindie.com/shops/TAUTIC/raspberry-pi-enclosure-1/[5:07]<NullMoogleCable> is this a bit excessive for a heatsink?[5:07]<NullMoogleCable> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Raspberry-Pi-Heatsink-Set-100-Forged-Copper-/00/s/MTYwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqFHJEIFDN-Tl4PGBQ40HO,9Q!~~60_57.JPG[5:07]<UnaClocker> NullMoogleCable: Nope, they look like thise: https://tindie.com/shops/ellisgl/raspberry-pi-copper-heat-sink-kit/ Which sell out as fast as they get back in stock..[5:08]<UnaClocker> Seems like he gets a shipment of them about once every 2 or 3 weeks, and they sell out in a day.. You'd think he'd order more...[5:08]* SeeYa32 (~SeeYa32@cpe-76-185-87-85.tx.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[5:08]<Torikun> nice[5:09]<s5fs> whats up gang[5:09]<UnaClocker> Putting one on the voltage reg seems a bit excessive, I can't even feel any warmth coming from mine.[5:09]<NullMoogleCable> they worth it though?[5:10]<UnaClocker> NullMoogleCable: Under high network loads, I've all but burned my finger on the USB/hub/ethernet chip, about the same time the network went down...[5:10]<UnaClocker> Might prevent that.. Very handy if you want to cool without a fan..[5:11]<UnaClocker> Certainly won't hurt the overclocking..[5:13]* hyperair (~hyperair@ubuntu/member/hyperair) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[5:18]* yofel_ (~quassel@ubuntu/member/yofel) has joined #raspberrypi[5:22]* yofel (~quassel@ubuntu/member/yofel) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[5:24]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[5:25]* g_r_eek (~g_r_eek@173-9-142-122-Miami.FL.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:26]* g_r_eek (~g_r_eek@173-9-142-122-Miami.FL.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has left #raspberrypi[5:26]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) has joined #raspberrypi[5:26]* Coburn is now known as Coburn|Away[5:26]* Lord_DeathMatch (Lord_Death@CPE-124-184-17-153.lns10.cht.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[5:28]<SeeYa32> anybody here have blink(1)?[5:29]<zezba9000> Has anyone here used "Soft-float Debian ???wheezy???" with Mono c# to get GLES working?[5:30]<zezba9000> I have everything initializing correctly it seems, but SwapBuffers does not present data to the screen.[5:30]<TAFB> woot! Got camera #2 workin! http://tafb02.click2stream.com/[5:30]* brady2600 (~ludwig@71-218-247-26.hlrn.qwest.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[5:30]* knoppies (~ZNC@ec2-54-252-99-55.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com) Quit (Quit: Bye)[5:32]<UnaClocker> TAFB: I like it. I wonder if I could stream a dashcam while I drive to work??? ;)[5:32]* g_r_eek (~g_r_eek@173-9-142-122-Miami.FL.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:32]* passcod (~passcod@ec2-54-252-99-55.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #raspberrypi[5:32]* knoppies (~ZNC@ec2-54-252-99-55.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #raspberrypi[5:33]<TAFB> wireless live on the internet? probably, if you got a cell phone as a wifi hotspot! This camera puts out amazing quality even at 250kbps stream! The one you're seeing is 1mbps and it looks mind blowing at 4mbps but the upload on my internet is only about 1.7bmps :([5:34]* passcod (~passcod@ec2-54-252-99-55.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has left #raspberrypi[5:34]<UnaClocker> Yup, got a cell phone I can wifi tether to.. :)[5:34]<TAFB> haha. Now you're giving me ideas! Live stream a camera or two from my motorcycle during a race or track day!!! lol[5:35]<TAFB> Pi powered baby :) (with crtmpserver)[5:35]<UnaClocker> :) hehehe, yup.. :)[5:36]<UnaClocker> Beat GoPro to the next gen.. ;)[5:37]<TAFB> yeah, my buddie got a GoPro Hero 3 which is supposed to have WiFi streaming, but your phone has to connect to the gopro's WiFi, but their app doesn't support live streaming (yet).[5:37]<Gordio> TAFB, Stereo camera! On Sport competition ^_^[5:38]<TAFB> I usually have two front facing (one tank/dash cam, one on the side by the forks) and one on the tail facing backwards... be tricky to stream em ALL live unless I did a lower res quad split screen view... hmmm.[5:38]* knoppies (~ZNC@ec2-54-252-99-55.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com) Quit (Quit: Bye)[5:38]<Torikun> TAFB: got 3 ndoes now[5:39]<TAFB> noes?[5:39]<Torikun> ndoes[5:39]<Torikun> nodes[5:39]<atouk> neos? i have one of them[5:39]<Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com/?q=node/11[5:39]<TAFB> ahhhh[5:39]<TAFB> lol[5:39]<TAFB> lookin goooooood, love those cases :)[5:40]<Torikun> ty =)[5:40]<TAFB> did you check out my 2nd cam ^^^?[5:40]* knoppies (~ZNC@ec2-54-252-99-55.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #raspberrypi[5:40]* Lord_DeathMatch (Lord_Death@CPE-124-184-17-153.lns10.cht.bigpond.net.au) Quit ()[5:40]<Torikun> Did not know about it. show link[5:40]<TAFB> http://tafb02.click2stream.com/[5:40]<TAFB> let me know when it's up and I'll go run in front :)[5:40]* Torikun loads[5:41]<TAFB> it's 1mbps stream :([5:41]<Torikun> ok[5:41]<Torikun> ready[5:41]<Torikun> lol[5:41]<Torikun> see ya[5:41]<TAFB> hehe[5:41]<TAFB> how's it run?[5:41]* [7] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) Quit (Disconnected by services)[5:41]* knoppies (~ZNC@ec2-54-252-99-55.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com) Quit (Client Quit)[5:41]* TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) has joined #raspberrypi[5:42]<Torikun> nice[5:42]<Torikun> smooth[5:42]<Torikun> clear[5:42]<TAFB> sweet :)[5:42]* passcod (~passcod@ec2-54-252-99-55.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #raspberrypi[5:42]<TAFB> yeah, this camera kicks butt[5:42]* knoppies (~ZNC@ec2-54-252-99-55.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #raspberrypi[5:42]<UnaClocker> Needed one that clear for my Christmas lights a year ago..[5:42]<TAFB> I think I got a fingerprint on the lens when putting it together, causing the blurry spot on the right far couch[5:42]<TAFB> so I gotta take it apart and have a peek[5:43]<TAFB> yeah, this camera has WDR as well! SO NICE![5:43]<TAFB> I'll go turn on the 150watt light, doesn't even affect it![5:43]<Torikun> Nice[5:43]<UnaClocker> What cam is it? Using the DSI port (is that the right name?)[5:43]<Torikun> tafb your pi is not controlling it right[5:44]<Torikun> bright light[5:44]<UnaClocker> Yeah, it's on his Pi.[5:44]<TAFB> yeah, my Pi is running crtmpserver[5:44]<TAFB> it does RTSP to RTMP (flash) conversion[5:45]<UnaClocker> TAFB: Is it USB, or are you using the onboard port?[5:45]<TAFB> It's network (ip camera)[5:45]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)[5:45]* Lord_DeathMatch (Lord_Death@CPE-124-184-17-153.lns10.cht.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[5:45]* brady2600 (~ludwig@71-208-244-103.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:45]<UnaClocker> Ahh.. Keep expecting someone to beat the Pi guys to the punch and come out with a camera for that port months before they do..[5:46]<TAFB> haha! or hack the broadcom gpu code for accellerated lxde/xwindows :([5:47]<UnaClocker> Actually, they already did that..[5:47]<UnaClocker> Lemme see if I can find the bookmark.[5:47]<TAFB> sweet! when's it coming to the raspbian image! :)[5:47]* Brombomb (~brombomb@c-24-8-98-65.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:48]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[5:48]<Brombomb> my @ isn't working on my rpi. It's showing a " instead. How can I configure the keyboard from with the LX desktop?[5:48]<TAFB> raspi-config[5:48]<TAFB> and set up your keymap[5:49]* Piffer (~Piffer@p4FED5C42.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[5:49]<mythos> update-configure console-setup[5:49]<UnaClocker> TAFB: You should post your link here: http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/16r68r/does_anyone_have_a_ip_camera_hosted_by_an_rpi/[5:50]<TAFB> when I get the camera mounted outdoors and the blurry part of the lens fixed, I'll get er up. I bookmarked that thread.[5:50]<mythos> ?h.. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup[5:51]<TAFB> I've never used reddit before :)[5:51]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[5:51]* intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) Quit (Quit: intothev01d)[5:51]<UnaClocker> :) I love Reddit.. :)[5:52]<Brombomb> oh no... Una what have you done....[5:52]<UnaClocker> hehe[5:52]* Piffer (~Piffer@p4FED4F7B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:52]<TAFB> UnaClocker: so to reply, I just type ish in that white box and click "Save"?[5:53]<UnaClocker> Yeah, if you are logged in.[5:53]<TAFB> i just made an account :)[5:53]<Brombomb> running raspi-config allows me to choose keyboard option, but then it just goes black[5:53]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[5:54]* asd_ (~asd@p54BA4B1A.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[5:54]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) has joined #raspberrypi[5:54]<TAFB> UnaClocker: Can I use links to pictures?[5:55]* passcod (~passcod@ec2-54-252-99-55.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has left #raspberrypi[5:55]<UnaClocker> You can put links in the reply, yeah.. Press space twice before pressing enter to get a new line.[5:55]<Brombomb> haha I need patience[5:55]<TAFB> k.[5:56]<Torikun> ok cluster is complete[5:56]<ParkerR> UnaClocker, No need to space twice[5:56]<ParkerR> Just double enter[5:56]<UnaClocker> heh, I find it cleaner with two spaces.[5:57]<Torikun> TAFB: would it be better if one PI served the http files via nfs?[5:57]<Torikun> 1 database, 1 files, 1 php[5:58]<Torikun> or just store it on each pi[5:58]<TAFB> Torikun: you would have to do some load testing, see if remote NFS is faster than the onboard Pi I/O :)[5:58]<Torikun> 1 pi would be nfs[5:59]<Torikun> the other 2 connect to the pi for files[6:00]* SeeYa32 (~SeeYa32@cpe-76-185-87-85.tx.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[6:01]* mdszy (~mdszy@unaffiliated/mdszy) Quit (Quit: Bye for now)[6:01]<UnaClocker> TAFB: Ahhh, I found it! http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=28294 :)[6:03]<ParkerR> UnaClocker, I thought that was just a w are working on this post?[6:03]<ParkerR> *we are[6:03]<UnaClocker> They have it working, it's in final debugging, from what I read.[6:03]<ParkerR> Ahh I see the links now[6:03]<UnaClocker> They mostly say that the majority of the problem isn't X.. It's the crappy sloppily written apps.[6:04]<UnaClocker> But it all adds up in the end.. :) Little here, little there, eventually we'll have the full potential of this thing, and it'll stop running like a Pentium-233..[6:05]<Torikun> TAFB: check out the speed now lol[6:05]<UnaClocker> Hell, I ran Linux on a P-233 in '98, it ran better than the Pi does.[6:05]<TAFB> link again Torikun :)[6:05]<Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com/[6:05]<s5fs> yea but the p233 was huuuge[6:06]<UnaClocker> hehe, yeah..[6:06]<TAFB> Torikun: ohhh nice! loaded fast! background image took a bit, but all the page was there :)[6:06]<Torikun> slow[6:06]<Torikun> lol[6:07]* Lord_DeathMatc (Lord_Death@CPE-124-186-89-24.lns9.woo.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[6:07]<TAFB> i like your webmail :)[6:07]<Torikun> Much faster when having it on sd[6:07]<Torikun> =)[6:07]<Torikun> Good graphic[6:07]<s5fs> anyone sharp with the boot process? i built a custom image using angstrom and it won't boot. the card looks to be partitioned correctly, etc.[6:07]<TAFB> my webmail, http://tafb.yi.org/webmail[6:07]<Torikun> webmail loads fast but drupal slower[6:07]<Torikun> Oooo nice[6:07]<TAFB> yeah, drupal is a hog[6:07]<s5fs> drupal is always slow[6:07]* Lord_DeathMatch (Lord_Death@CPE-124-184-17-153.lns10.cht.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[6:07]<SwK> ok anyone wanna smack me with a clue stick? raspbian ??? i need to flip the x axis??? any hints?[6:07]* asd_ (~asd@p54BA4709.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:07]<Torikun> it ran faster s5fs from SD on the pi than NFS on a pi[6:08]* Lord_DeathMatc is now known as Lord_DeathMatch[6:08]<s5fs> not surprised, i heard the pi can get unstable if under network and usb load[6:09]<s5fs> can anyone substantiate that?[6:09]<Torikun> yup I had that today[6:09]<Torikun> with syncing to sd[6:09]<Torikun> ssh would not let me in[6:10]<Eartaker> there is a mod on hackaday abour replacing one of the caps[6:13]<s5fs> where's the best documentation on the system?[6:13]<s5fs> any links you could recommend?[6:13]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.linux-toys.com)[6:13]<ryushe> Would a Pi be fast enough to handle simple samba file sharing from a couple of attached USB drives via a powered hub?[6:13]<ryushe> ie. make it an always on file server?[6:14]<s5fs> ryushe: i think that would work, but i can't speak for the performance[6:14]<UnaClocker> ryushe: It'd be slow, but it'd work.[6:15]<ryushe> hmm, I'll give it a shot then[6:15]<s5fs> ryushe: here's something http://elinux.org/R-Pi_NAS[6:16]<ryushe> thanks[6:16]<Brombomb> cool I'm impressed with hardware support... Added wireless and a mini keyboard/mouse combo[6:16]* njoubert (~njoubert@c-50-136-153-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: njoubert)[6:18]<UnaClocker> Yeah, I just started using WiFi with my Pi earlier this week.. On my Lapdock.. ;)[6:18]<SwK> so anyone??? inverting the X axis for x.org on rasbian?[6:18]<s5fs> i've only used bluetooth so far, no wifi[6:18]<UnaClocker> I had to manually specify my WiFi SSID, but once I did that, it worked.[6:19]<NullMoogleCable> how can i enable overclocking in raspi-config?[6:19]<Brombomb> http://www.amazon.com/Hausbell-Entertainment-Wireless-Keyboard-Touchpad/dp/B007SS70DC[6:19]<UnaClocker> SwK: I'd love to know how to disable tap-click on the touchpad in x.org[6:19]<Brombomb> thats my keyboard/mouse now[6:19]<SwK> UnaClocker: same file lol[6:19]<s5fs> NullMoogleCable: easiest way is to use the raspi-config utility[6:19]<UnaClocker> SwK: What file is it?[6:19]<SwK> UnaClocker: you theres some settings for that??? IDK??? thats what I am trying to figure out...[6:20]<UnaClocker> And where?[6:20]<SwK> UnaClocker: normally its like in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d or something[6:20]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:20]* cipherwar (~cipherwar@69.163.35.4) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[6:20]<s5fs> NullMoogleCable: it should be an obvious option, is it not visible for you?[6:20]<NullMoogleCable> when i run the utility its not there?[6:20]<s5fs> NullMoogleCable: are you running it as root (using sudo)?[6:21]<NullMoogleCable> yes[6:21]<UnaClocker> NullMoogleCable: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade[6:21]<s5fs> huh weird[6:21]<UnaClocker> You must be really out of date.[6:21]<s5fs> ^^[6:21]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:21]* cipherwar (~cipherwar@2605:ea00:1:1::6a81:d5f) has joined #raspberrypi[6:22]<TAFB> UnaClocker: do you get e-mail's of replies by default on reddit?[6:22]<UnaClocker> I wonder how long it'll be before Pandora cracks down on whatever hole is letting Pianobar work...[6:23]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Client Quit)[6:23]<Brombomb> TAFB no[6:23]<UnaClocker> TAFB: No, I'm there constantly, the little grey email flag turns red..[6:23]<TAFB> ahhh[6:23]<Brombomb> but in the upper right corner there is a redorange email flag[6:23]<UnaClocker> Up by your name.[6:24]<NullMoogleCable> i upgraded everything but i still cant overclock?[6:24]<NullMoogleCable> is there a way to force check upgrade or something?[6:24]<UnaClocker> NullMoogleCable: Wipe the SD, download a fresh image from the raspberrypi website.[6:24]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:25]<NullMoogleCable> I just did today[6:26]<dr_willis> rasbian?[6:26]<NullMoogleCable> yes[6:26]<NullMoogleCable> i used berry boot 2.0 to install on my thumbdrive[6:27]<s5fs> hey its booting![6:28]<s5fs> not looking good..[6:28]<UnaClocker> NullMoogleCable: http://www.neonsquirt.com/raspi-config.png It should look like this.[6:29]<NullMoogleCable> nope it is like the old version[6:29]<UnaClocker> Apparently BerryBoot sucks.[6:29]* alpha080 (~alpha080@211.138.147.156) has joined #raspberrypi[6:30]<dr_willis> ive not tried it. not heard anything bad about it either[6:30]<UnaClocker> And you can't boot off a thumb drive, you can only boot off SD.[6:31]<NullMoogleCable> i have the root part on the thumbdrive[6:31]* bizarro_1 (~bizarro_1@204.Red-88-27-88.staticIP.rima-tde.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[6:31]<UnaClocker> And you're having oddball problems.[6:33]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[6:35]* Cy-Gor (~Brian@cpe-70-124-70-140.austin.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[6:35]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:35]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[6:36]<SwK> UnaClocker: check in this dir /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/[6:37]<UnaClocker> Ahh! :)[6:37]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:38]* TAFB is now known as TAFB_zzz[6:40]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[6:41]<Torikun> horrible having Pi as NFS server for website[6:41]* drago757 (~drago757@pool-173-66-42-163.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: drago757)[6:42]<UnaClocker> Torikun: Ya know, I had a Fisher Price camcorder when I was a kid.. I didn't try to shoot home movies with it.. ;) The Pi is a toy, not a server.[6:42]<Torikun> lol[6:42]<Torikun> UnaClocker: I am testing out clustering and the best config[6:42]<Torikun> I will go back to having the files on each SD for faster performance[6:42]<UnaClocker> That thing was neat, it recorded on normal audio cassettes.. ;)[6:42]<Torikun> its a learning thing[6:43]<UnaClocker> Crap, I killed my touchpad on my lapdock.. Deleted those .conf files.. ;)[6:43]<NullMoogleCable> is there a way to force check upgrade or something?[6:43]<UnaClocker> NullMoogleCable: You've already done it. Your install is screwy, and it apparently can't update.[6:47]<NullMoogleCable> maybe try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?[6:47]* cipherwar (~cipherwar@2605:ea00:1:1::6a81:d5f) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[6:48]<dr_willis> sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ;) that about covers it[6:48]* cipherwar (~cipherwar@2605:ea00:1:1::6a81:d5f) has joined #raspberrypi[6:49]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[6:54]* Lord_DeathMatch (Lord_Death@CPE-124-186-89-24.lns9.woo.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[6:54]<NullMoogleCable> I haven't been able to properly change the settings of the digital clock in the menu bar/panel. I can open the settings window, but then in the text edit lines to change the settings I get some codes which I don't know what stand for. If I use '%A' I get the date, and '%R' gets me the time in 24 hr format. Is there a way to display both the date, and time in 12-hour format?[6:56]<dr_willis> you can have complex % codes.. I think the tooltip mentions a man page.[6:56]<dr_willis> %r may be 12 hr format.. i forget what ones are used[6:57]* Brombomb (~brombomb@c-24-8-98-65.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has left #raspberrypi[6:58]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) has joined #raspberrypi[7:03]* ccssnet (~ccssnet@c-98-216-141-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: http://atccss.net)[7:04]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca56e7.bb.sky.com) Quit ()[7:05]* Weaselweb (~quassel@77-64-181-50.dynamic.primacom.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:15]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:18]<UnaClocker> Down to 2 lights on the battery on my Lapdock.. On target to get 5 hours of battery life..[7:18]<Torikun> lol[7:18]<s5fs> nice[7:18]<coldsoup> are you assuming linearity?[7:19]<UnaClocker> Makes me wonder what it'd get if I removed the USB/ethernet chip and replaced the inneficient 3.3v regulator.[7:19]<UnaClocker> coldsoup Yeah..[7:19]<coldsoup> is that a good assumption for batteries?[7:20]<UnaClocker> I'll let you know in 2 hours.[7:20]<UnaClocker> ;)[7:20]<coldsoup> :-) I'll be snoozing[7:20]* ccssnet (~ccssnet@c-98-216-141-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:20]<UnaClocker> hehe.. It's got my Macbook Air beat..[7:22]<s5fs> okay, i've now confirmed on two different rpis (one 256, one 512), with several different images, that my patriot class 10 8gb microsd card sucks.[7:22]<s5fs> it will now be given to my girlfriend for use in her phone. the end. goodbye. this card stinks.[7:23]<UnaClocker> heh[7:23]<UnaClocker> I'm using a Patriot C10 32gb right now.[7:23]<UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/lapdock2.jpg[7:24]<ParkerR> s5fs, In what ways did it duck?[7:24]<Torikun> Awesome[7:24]* TonyRPi (~Anthony@75-51-144-154.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:24]<Torikun> so your running your pi on your laptop monitor and keyboard?[7:24]<s5fs> ParkerR: it was kicking up block errors[7:24]<UnaClocker> Torikun: Motorola Lapdock.. It's a docking station for Droid phones..[7:24]<Torikun> to show on your laptop?[7:25]<UnaClocker> The lapdock is a laptop.[7:25]<UnaClocker> With no brain.[7:25]<Torikun> oh[7:25]<ParkerR> UnaClocker, That USB line. Is that hooked to both the USB port and the micro USB power plug?[7:25]<UnaClocker> ParkerR: No.[7:25]<UnaClocker> Rev 2 boards don't need both.[7:26]<Torikun> how much is that[7:26]<ParkerR> UnaClocker, Ahh well because I was going to say that is only feeding back about 5v at 500mAh[7:26]<UnaClocker> Torikun: http://liliputing.com/2012/06/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-laptop-with-a-70-motorola-lapdock.html[7:26]* sintrix is now known as sintrix|afk[7:26]<ParkerR> UnaClocker, Backpowering via USB port the Pi can only use 500mAh of the backpower[7:26]<UnaClocker> I got my lapdock for $40, they're hard to catch in stock..[7:26]<Torikun> wow expensive[7:26]<Torikun> $77 on amazon it says[7:26]<UnaClocker> heh, expensive.. You can get a case for the Pi for more than $77..[7:26]<Torikun> true[7:27]<UnaClocker> This is a high res LCD, keyboard, trackpad, lithium battery, charger, speakers....[7:27]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)[7:27]<ParkerR> High res.[7:27]<ParkerR> 1366x768 aint bad but[7:27]<Torikun> http://www.amazon.com/AT-Laptop-Dock-Motorola-ATRIX/dp/B004M17D62/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358576829&sr=8-1&keywords=motorola+lapdock[7:28]<UnaClocker> If I can only get 500ma, and the Pi needs 700ma, I'm defying physics.[7:29]<UnaClocker> I'm also running at 950MHz...[7:29]<UnaClocker> CPU is a nice cool 43c..[7:30]<Torikun> how does it connect to the pi[7:30]<ParkerR> UnaClocker, Fromt he information I had seen it only backpowers 500mAh[7:30]<Torikun> what port[7:30]<ParkerR> Torikun, That USB[7:30]<ParkerR> It has a female micro USB plug ont he dock[7:30]<ParkerR> http://i.minus.com/ifE1SDwozSwvn.JPG[7:30]<Torikun> errr how is the display go to the laptop screen[7:30]<ParkerR> HDMI adapter[7:30]<Torikun> oh hdmi I see[7:31]<ParkerR> micro HDMI to full[7:31]* Neqoxec (~duke@184.20.74.77) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[7:31]<Torikun> included with lapdock>?[7:31]<ParkerR> No[7:32]<ParkerR> Have to order it separately[7:32]<UnaClocker> We're not exactly using the lapdock for it's intended purpose.[7:32]<Torikun> dang what is total cost of this thing[7:32]<Torikun> ok[7:32]<ParkerR> Torikun, A video I made showing the lapdock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc1-kOtgdVw[7:32]<UnaClocker> Hacking.. ;)[7:32]<Torikun> ty[7:32]<Torikun> you need a secure place to store that pi on the lapdock[7:32]<ParkerR> Yeah[7:32]<UnaClocker> Down to 1 light.. Maybe the battery will be done soon..[7:32]<ParkerR> Where it is[7:32]<Torikun> make it a complete unit[7:32]<Torikun> that be cool[7:33]<ParkerR> There is no room inside the lapdock[7:33]<UnaClocker> Mine just stands up off the back..[7:33]<ParkerR> It's a thin, well built piece of hardware[7:33]<ParkerR> Because MSRP was $500[7:33]<UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/lapdock1.jpg Like that..[7:33]<ParkerR> But then the Atrix 4g phone flopped[7:34]<ParkerR> And dock became cheap[7:34]<UnaClocker> Note the blue audio jack.. Authentic Make In UK model.. ;)[7:34]* cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe[7:34]<Torikun> how dod you install quake[7:34]<ParkerR> Torikun, Google http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=18853[7:34]<ParkerR> Is your friend[7:35]<Torikun> ty[7:35]<ParkerR> No problem[7:36]<Torikun> is chromium for arch?[7:36]<Torikun> great video[7:36]<ParkerR> Yes[7:36]<ParkerR> Thanks[7:36]<Torikun> http://archlinuxarm.org/packages[7:37]<Torikun> its there![7:37]<Torikun> Awesome[7:37]* flufmnstr (~fluf@68-190-201-62.dhcp.snbr.ca.charter.com) has joined #raspberrypi[7:38]<Torikun> but not in the repo[7:38]<Torikun> lol[7:38]* Gordio (~Gordio@46.211.120.180) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[7:38]<Torikun> oh armv7 only[7:39]<UnaClocker> chromium works fine in Raspbian.. I don't see the allure of arch..[7:39]<UnaClocker> Everytime someone can't get something in Arch, it's in Raspbian...[7:39]<UnaClocker> Or can't figure out how to do something in Arch.. It works fine in Raspbian...[7:39]<Torikun> lol[7:40]<flufmnstr> hey yall, new to the PI. how do they handle(if at all) 5.1 digital audio output?[7:42]<UnaClocker> flufmnstr: It's passed straight through without decoding it, the TV/receiver decode it.[7:43]<Zarek_> want chromium? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/chromium-dev/[7:43]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:43]<Zarek_> edit pkgbuild, compile it[7:44]<Torikun> it will take forever on the pic[7:44]<Torikun> *pi[7:44]* smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[7:45]<Torikun> the binary only supports armv7[7:45]<UnaClocker> hahaha, you're running Arch and you don't want to compile stuff? Isn't that the whole point of Arch?[7:45]<ParkerR> UnaClocker, Naah thats gentoo[7:45]<Torikun> I do not want to compile on the slow pi[7:45]<UnaClocker> ParkerR: Ahh..[7:45]<Zarek_> distcc, then[7:45]<Zarek_> you have 3[7:45]<ParkerR> Torikun, If you dont use the Pi then why have it all all[7:45]<ParkerR> Just let it compile[7:45]<Torikun> browsers take forever on a normal machine[7:45]<UnaClocker> The entire debian repositories was compiled on a Pi to make Raspbian..[7:45]<Zarek_> (was that you? can't remember)[7:46]<Zarek_> set up a cross-compiler on your PC and compile it for your Pi[7:47]<Torikun> I was thinking about doing Gentoo tomorrow[7:49]<ParkerR> One does not simpy do Gentioo :P[7:49]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)[7:49]<ParkerR> *simply[7:49]<Torikun> lol[7:50]<ParkerR> *Gentoo[7:51]<ParkerR> Gentoo does you[7:51]<Torikun> lol[7:54]<piney0> UnaClocker, raspbian packages are built on freescale IMX53 Quick Start Boards with ARM Cortex-A8 1 GHz processors from what I read[7:55]<piney0> i don't think a small array of pi's could keep up with that work[7:55]<UnaClocker> Yeah, now that I think of it, I remember the guy that started/did the bulk of the porting was doing it long before he even had gotten a Pi..[7:56]<UnaClocker> He used to hang in here....[7:59]* pfdotn (~pfdotn@unaffiliated/pfdotn) Quit (Quit: leaving)[8:00]* zyklon (~zyklon@122-57-187-237.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[8:02]* Eliatrope (~speckius@212.113.107.78) has joined #raspberrypi[8:03]<UnaClocker> 4 hours, still goin...[8:04]<UnaClocker> Maybe it's 4 1/2.. Can't recall what time I booted this thing up this evening, and I rebooted once so I can't just check uptime..[8:05]* rrhb (~sendhb@c-24-19-27-111.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[8:10]<apo> 07:47:02 < Torikun> I was thinking about doing Gentoo tomorrow[8:10]<apo> on a pi?[8:10]<apo> Can't recommend it :P[8:11]<apo> compiling's a good way to wear out an SD card quickly[8:11]<xzr> well[8:11]<apo> and crossdev doesn't really work[8:11]<xzr> does dist-cc work[8:11]<Zarek_> unless you have a decent machine for cross-compiling with distcc[8:12]<apo> probably, but that still leaves the shitty I/O, worn out SD cards, and autohell[8:12]<apo> configure alone takes a few minutes :D[8:12]<xzr> you can have the OS on a usb stick[8:12]<xzr> just need to have /boot on the sde[8:12]<xzr> sd[8:13]<apo> okay, so you'll wear out the USB stick instead[8:13]<apo> same difference[8:13]<xzr> well external hdd[8:13]<xzr> you get my point[8:13]<UnaClocker> heh, good grief.. Wear out an SD Card??? They cost less than lunch at McDonalds..[8:14]<xzr> who would want to have lunch at mcdonalds anyway[8:20]* Zarek_ raises her hand[8:21]<UnaClocker> Ahh, found my bootup time in the kernel log.. Booted the Lapdock at 6:27pm, it's now 11:20pm.. 5 hour mark, here I come.. ;)[8:21]<UnaClocker> One dot left on the battery indicator, and it's blinking.. That seems bad.. ;)[8:21]* Eette (~Eette@ip70-185-201-82.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi[8:22]<UnaClocker> Tomorrow I'm going to take my dead Pi and try desoldering the USB chip.. ;)[8:23]<Triffid_Hunter> UnaClocker: what usb chip?[8:23]<UnaClocker> The USB hub/ethernet chip on a model B..[8:24]<UnaClocker> It gets hot, therefor it must be wasting power..[8:24]<UnaClocker> I only need one USB port, and no ethernet..[8:24]<UnaClocker> Drat, battery died 3 minutes before the 5 hour mark.[8:25]<Triffid_Hunter> ah ok, thought that was ethernet PHY only[8:25]* zyklon (~zyklon@122-57-187-237.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #raspberrypi[8:25]<UnaClocker> :)[8:27]* cheese1756 (~cheese175@unaffiliated/cheese1756) has joined #raspberrypi[8:32]* bebraw (~bebraw@codegrove.org) has joined #raspberrypi[8:32]<Eartaker> anyone know of a gps module that works with the pi for use in a car?[8:33]<bebraw> is it possible to conf rpi so that it functions both as a wifi hotspot and is also connected to some other wifi network?[8:34]<Eartaker> bebraw: you can if you have 2 addapters[8:34]<Eartaker> adaptors[8:35]<Eartaker> also depends on the adaptor for the hotspot... you will just run it in adhoc mode[8:36]<bebraw> Eartaker: k. i have only one adapter available. need to think about this[8:36]* plugwash (~plugwash@2001:5c0:1400:a::25b) has joined #raspberrypi[8:36]<Eartaker> you will use 1 to connect, and one to be connected to[8:36]<Eartaker> brb[8:36]* Eartaker (~Eartaker@unaffiliated/eartaker) Quit (Quit: leaving)[8:37]* Eartaker (~Eartaker@unaffiliated/eartaker) has joined #raspberrypi[8:38]<Eartaker> this script on irrsi was going crazy.... had top reload[8:38]<bebraw> it's possible i won't require both even. let me explain the use case a bit[8:38]* Eartaker (~Eartaker@unaffiliated/eartaker) has left #raspberrypi[8:38]* Eartaker (~Eartaker@unaffiliated/eartaker) has joined #raspberrypi[8:38]<Eartaker> hmm[8:38]<bebraw> basically i set up my rpi as an internet radio http://www.nixtu.info/2013/01/raspberry-pi-as-internet-radio.html[8:38]<Eartaker> ok there[8:38]* cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf[8:39]<bebraw> i connect it to via ssh and then use mpc to control it. i also have a web ui now (websockets and all that)[8:39]<Eartaker> to the pi?[8:39]<bebraw> yup. it's headless[8:39]<Eartaker> you can control the pi with just ssh[8:39]<bebraw> yeah. that's what i do now. the websocket stuff is just extra :)[8:40]<Eartaker> yeah i almost never use the gui[8:40]<bebraw> now to the problem... suppose i want to use the radio at an arbitrary location in a headless way[8:40]<bebraw> i will need some way to hook it up with a local wlan[8:40]<Eartaker> radio? the wifi?[8:40]<bebraw> the radio == rpi[8:41]<Eartaker> ahh[8:41]<Eartaker> well you can connect to a wlan via cli[8:42]<bebraw> i guess it could be as a wlan hotspot initially and then i do that?[8:42]<Eartaker> but you need to have a way to interact with the pi in order to tell it to connect to that SSID[8:42]<bebraw> yup. that's the problem[8:42]<Eartaker> my question is... if the pi can connect... then why use it as a hotspot?[8:43]<bebraw> well. that's where the arbitrary location comes in[8:43]<bebraw> rpi won't connect initially. it needs to be set up[8:43]<Eartaker> yes[8:44]<bebraw> hmm... maybe lan is the answer. i'll use lan to connect to the pi and conf wlan there :)[8:44]<Eartaker> yes that will be much easier[8:44]<Eartaker> just bridge the connection[8:44]<bebraw> btw do you think bluetooth would work?[8:45]<bebraw> if i bought an adapter for rpi i mean[8:45]* cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe[8:45]<Eartaker> you can network through BT[8:46]<Eartaker> im working on using my phone to auto tether my pi to it[8:46]<bebraw> thanks for the tips. i have a better idea what to do now :)[8:47]<bebraw> it's amazing how versatile rpi is. perfect for little hackery such as this[8:47]* mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) has joined #raspberrypi[8:47]<Eartaker> well really its just a pc... any linux pc can do all of this lol[8:48]<bebraw> definitely. there's the issue of bulk :)[8:49]<Eartaker> that is true[8:50]<Eartaker> http://blog.kugelfish.com/2012/10/look-ma-no-wires-raspberry-pi-bluetooth.html[8:50]<bebraw> looks like this is going to be the year of the arm. there are lots of little platforms like rpi available[8:50]<Eartaker> that and the arduino is going to the ARM proc[8:51]<bebraw> we built a led cube using avr arduino http://elovalo.org/[8:51]<bebraw> it was really pita. (2k memory and all that)[8:51]<bebraw> now i'm thinking we should go rpi for extra versatility :)[8:51]<Eartaker> nice, i use the arduiono mega2560 to build a controller for my saltwater aquarium[8:51]<Xark> bebraw: However, Arduino and RPi are just round-off error compared to cellphones and other embedded ARM uses. I think the year of ARM was a few years ago already (by the numbers - if not the desktop). :)[8:52]<bebraw> Xark: that's definitely true[8:52]<Eartaker> brougham: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkQXkhvcVSU[8:53]<Eartaker> i need to update sinice I have had it in use for 4 months now[8:53]* Xark was introduced to ARM back in Game Boy Advance days (OK, and a small taste in the Dreamcast audio chip). :)[8:53]* joat (~joat@ip70-160-134-118.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi[8:58]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[8:58]<Tachyon`> the dc audio chip was an arm?[9:01]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) has joined #raspberrypi[9:01]<Xark> Tachyon`: Yep[9:02]<Tachyon`> ah, never had a DC, did get a VMU hoping to do things with it but details weren't released until long after so I couldn't[9:02]<Xark> Tachyon`: You would upload a little piece of firmware to it (usually the one from Sega, but I think it was possible to do custom audio code) and then send API "tokens".[9:03]<Tachyon`> I liked the VMU, it was tiny and could run user code but nothing much was written for it[9:03]<Xark> Tachyon`: Haha, the VMU. Yeah, we added a mini-game for that. Slowest CPU I ever programmed professionally I think (the "Potato Chip" CPU running at some Khz clock rate).[9:03]<Tachyon`> KHz? good lord[9:04]<Tachyon`> ah well, even teh ZX81 would be fast compared to that[9:09]<Xark> Tachyon`: Indeed. VMU was like 600 Khz and 1K of RAM (and a lot of flash ~120K). 48x32 screen.[9:09]<Xark> Tachyon`: However, it did run off a watch battery. :)[9:09]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[9:10]* Yen (~Yen@91.180.103.180) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[9:12]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-121-219-251-31.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[9:13]* scorphus (~scorphus@CAcert/User/scorphus) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[9:15]<Tachyon`> a CR2032, aye[9:15]<Tachyon`> my old casio handheld computers work for years on two of those[9:21]* pecorade (~pecorade@host102-161-dynamic.32-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[9:22]<pecorade> Hi.[9:22]<UnaClocker> Hello[9:23]* Maqs (~marcus@marcus.eunomia.de) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[9:24]* jph_ (~jph@morgul.ciphersys.net) has left #raspberrypi[9:26]<dr_willis> moo[9:29]<Eliatrope> I'm installing Arch for the first time now, updating with pacman now[9:29]<Eliatrope> why is it updating syslon-ng?[9:29]<Eliatrope> Arch has the new fancy journald after all[9:29]<dape> updating as in getting a new version of syslog-ng and replacing the old one? :)[9:29]<Eliatrope> yes[9:30]<dape> nothing wrong with that, if you ran pacman -Syu let it do its job[9:30]<Eliatrope> is syslog not used by default?[9:31]<Eliatrope> the why is it present by default[9:31]<Eliatrope> must be dependencies[9:31]<dape> Eliatrope i for one am not sure what's the real problem there[9:31]<Eliatrope> just curious[9:32]<dape> don???t worry, let it update those 400 mb or so of packages on the first big update[9:35]* TonyRPi (~Anthony@75-51-144-154.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[9:41]* Linovia (~textual@put92-4-82-231-49-9.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:42]* |Jeroen| (~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[9:42]* adieu (~adieu@180.157.7.64) has joined #raspberrypi[9:47]* |Jeroen| (~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be) Quit (Quit: oO)[9:48]* Helldesk (tee@shell.kahvipannu.fi) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[9:49]* zyklon (~zyklon@122-57-187-237.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[9:50]* shurizzle (~shura@unaffiliated/shurizzle) has joined #raspberrypi[9:52]* Helldesk (tee@shell.kahvipannu.fi) has joined #raspberrypi[9:52]* Helldesk (tee@shell.kahvipannu.fi) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[9:53]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) Quit (Disconnected by services)[9:53]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) has joined #raspberrypi[9:54]* rrhb (~sendhb@c-24-19-27-111.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[9:57]* rrhb (~sendhb@c-71-197-238-220.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[10:02]* |Jeroen| (~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[10:02]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[10:09]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) has joined #raspberrypi[10:10]* Helldesk (tee@krouvi.kahvipannu.fi) has joined #raspberrypi[10:16]* |Jeroen| (~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be) Quit (Quit: oO)[10:18]* pecorade (~pecorade@host102-161-dynamic.32-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[10:23]* Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk[10:24]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-121-219-251-31.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) Quit ()[10:24]* Helldesk (tee@krouvi.kahvipannu.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:30]* i42n (~i42n@dslb-188-104-207-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[10:31]* b3hnam (~b3hnam@2.179.20.229) has joined #raspberrypi[10:31]<b3hnam> I installed pyload and it was working but I have this error now : http://dpaste.com/883769/[10:32]* justadoit (~justadoit@217.118.66.71) has joined #raspberrypi[10:33]<ryao> Does the Raspberry Pi support ARM NEON instructions?[10:33]<Xark> ryao: No. Just VFP2 (FPU).[10:34]* Helldesk (tee@shell.kahvipannu.fi) has joined #raspberrypi[10:34]<ryao> Xark: Thanks.[10:37]* Eliatrope (~speckius@212.113.107.78) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[10:39]* justadoit (~justadoit@217.118.66.71) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[10:39]* sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-225-237.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) has joined #raspberrypi[10:44]* Xtrato (~2600Hertz@host86-158-161-84.range86-158.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[10:47]* zezba9000 (~smuxi@65.33.177.84) has left #raspberrypi[10:48]* nid0 (nidO@dsl-fixed-94-30-53-17.interdsl.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[10:50]<ryao> Has anyone done OpenCL inside the Linux kernel?[10:51]* alpha080 (~alpha080@211.138.147.156) Quit ()[10:51]* alpha080 (~alpha080@211.138.147.156) has joined #raspberrypi[10:51]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[10:54]* RaycisCharles (RaycisChar@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[10:58]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-121-219-251-31.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[10:59]<Xark> ryao: I don't think that would make sense (as it is not really a kernel level thing).[10:59]<Xark> ryao: Also, N/A on Raspberry Pi anyways (without OpenCL anywhere) AFAIK.[11:00]<ryao> Xark: What does the GPU do then?[11:00]<Xark> ryao: OpenGL ES[11:00]<ryao> Maybe Brook+ could be done inside the kernel...[11:00]<Xark> ryao: As well as various video things (using OpenMAX IIRC).[11:03]* peol (~peol@unaffiliated/peol) has joined #raspberrypi[11:03]<Xark> ryao: Looks x86 only. I don't think being in the kernel will help anything. All the heavy lifting happens in GPU (which is communicated with mostly by userspace libs AFAIK).[11:04]<ryao> Xark: Those libraries go through the kernel though.[11:04]* i42n (~i42n@dslb-188-104-207-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Quit: i42n)[11:04]* i42n (~i42n@dslb-188-104-207-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[11:04]<Xark> ryao: If so, just trivially. You just poke a command into a hardware "mailbox".[11:04]<ryao> Anyway, I just finished getting ZFS to compile on my raspberry pi. Now to try it out. I hope that the check sum calculations are not too expensive on it. :/[11:04]<ryao> I have learned to not expect much from the CPU. :/[11:04]<Xark> ryao: I do not think it requires the kernel (other than to perhaps setup the mailbox).[11:05]<ryao> Xark: All communication between userland and the GPU goes through the kernel.[11:05]* rrhb (~sendhb@c-71-197-238-220.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:05]* scummos (~sven@p4FDCED12.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[11:05]<Xark> ryao: Not totally true (for example a device can be memory mapped).[11:06]* m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) has joined #raspberrypi[11:06]<Xark> ryao: Have you seen RPi driver library source code? It is super trivial (and hence 100% opened). The GPU "knows" OpenGL and ARM just pokes trivial tokens to "mailbox".[11:06]* peol (~peol@unaffiliated/peol) Quit (Quit: Be back later)[11:07]* peol (~peol@unaffiliated/peol) has joined #raspberrypi[11:07]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28481.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi[11:08]<ryao> Xark: Are you familiar with the concept behind BrookGPU?[11:09]<roaster> anyone has some experience with eclipse cdt and remote debugging a shared library?[11:09]* kripton is now known as Kripton[11:11]* swat (~swat@ubuntu/member/swat) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[11:12]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[11:14]* Kabaka (~Kabaka@botters/kabaka) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[11:16]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[11:20]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:22]<flufmnstr> apt-get in complaining it cant fetch from http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/ and it does indeed look down. did the URL change or is it just a bit of downtime?[11:24]* voxadam (~voxadam@c-71-59-211-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[11:24]* AndrevS (~andrevs@grombeestje.xs4all.nl) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:25]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[11:26]* Kabaka (~Kabaka@botters/kabaka) has joined #raspberrypi[11:27]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[11:28]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-121-219-251-31.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:29]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-121-219-251-31.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[11:30]* rrhb (~sendhb@c-71-197-238-220.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[11:32]* [SkG] (~sconde@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332) has joined #raspberrypi[11:32]* yofel_ (~quassel@ubuntu/member/yofel) Quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.)[11:33]* teff (~teff@client-80-1-161-178.bsh-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:33]* yofel (~quassel@ubuntu/member/yofel) has joined #raspberrypi[11:33]* b3hnam (~b3hnam@2.179.20.229) has left #raspberrypi[11:34]<booyaa> let me check on mine[11:34]* PerJr (~kap@geekbrother.se) has joined #raspberrypi[11:35]<booyaa> i found this happened when i switch from ethernet to wlan[11:35]* teff (~teff@client-80-1-160-220.bsh-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) has joined #raspberrypi[11:35]* flowsnake (~oops@cpc26-aztw25-2-0-cust894.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[11:35]* AndrevS (~andrevs@2001:888:1590:0:225:b3ff:fec0:41e1) has joined #raspberrypi[11:36]<booyaa> flufmnstr: it's fine for me at the mo[11:36]<ryao> I have ZFS running on the Raspberry Pi.[11:37]<flufmnstr> yep, back up for me too.[11:37]<ryao> flufmnstr: Do you have it working?[11:38]<ryao> We aren't talking about the same thing, are we?[11:38]<flufmnstr> hehe, no. booyaa and i are talking about apt-get[11:39]* bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) has joined #raspberrypi[11:39]<booyaa> hey is there any reason why cron job for root to reboot wouldn't run?[11:39]<booyaa> syslog seems to think it ran, uptime would indicate that it hasn't[11:40]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:41]<ryao> Hmm... I have no idea why this person used FUSE: http://raspberry-python.blogspot.com/2012/10/zfs-file-system-on-raspberry-pi.html[11:41]* ryao finds that the kernel modules work beauitfully.[11:43]<ryao> I see. That was posted 9 days before the following patch: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/commit/7df05a4266fe8549cedb9a2d71bb8bff6ab11112[11:45]* scummos (~sven@p4FDCED12.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[11:45]* neciO (~juan@ec2-54-246-126-113.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #raspberrypi[11:45]* neciO (~juan@ec2-54-246-126-113.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has left #raspberrypi[11:46]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[11:46]* scummos (~sven@p4FDCED12.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[11:47]* Holden (~holden@unaffiliated/holdenc) has joined #raspberrypi[11:48]* peetaur2 (~peter@hmbg-4d06bd9e.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #raspberrypi[11:48]* Mortvert (Mortvert@reddit/operator/mortvert) has joined #raspberrypi[11:49]* user82_ (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) has joined #raspberrypi[11:54]* Nebukadneza (~quassel@ghostdub.de) has joined #raspberrypi[11:59]<companion> hrm seems that I do not got write permissions to my EXT4 Mounted hard drive at my Pi, I did tried: chown root:users /mnt/data/ && chmod g+rw /mnt/data/[12:00]<companion> Funny part, it does work at SAMBA[12:01]* voxadam (~voxadam@c-71-59-211-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[12:03]* int3nz0r (~int3nz0r@86.86.66.141) has joined #raspberrypi[12:03]* asd_ is now known as asd[12:06]* Jaac (~justme@unaffiliated/jaac) Quit (Quit: Did you see WHAT god just did to us Mannn (Fear and loathing in Las Vegas))[12:06]* tinti (~tinti@pdpc/supporter/student/tinti) has joined #raspberrypi[12:09]<john_f> companion: dirs need +X, but that wouldn't give you a write error. check your mount status?[12:09]<angelos> actually, with -x it would give a write error[12:10]<angelos> well, permission denied when trying to write[12:13]* cliff-hm (~cperry@151.226.69.51) has joined #raspberrypi[12:13]* scummos (~sven@p4FDCED12.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:13]<companion> john_f, angelos ill check it in a sec[12:14]* brady2600 (~ludwig@71-208-244-103.hlrn.qwest.net) has left #raspberrypi[12:15]* surfn (~quassel@121.98.125.19) has joined #raspberrypi[12:15]<surfn> hi[12:15]<surfn> can someone help me with gpio thoughts?[12:15]* double-you (~Miranda@178-26-159-95-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #raspberrypi[12:15]<gordonDrogon> hi[12:16]<surfn> If I want to build a fan that fires when the raspi reaches a certain temperature...[12:16]<gordonDrogon> well, can't fault farnell... ordered 2 Pi's yesterday and have then this morning (free delivery too)[12:16]<gordonDrogon> surfn, please go and google/read/etc/ all the stuff about Pi cooling - the Pi doesn't normally need cooling even with overlocking.[12:16]<ryao> gordonDrogon: I wasn't able to get free delievery. :/[12:16]<surfn> is there a GPIO that provides power on command? Or do I need to make a switch?[12:17]<gordonDrogon> surfn, the gpio provides 3.3v and 5v and some user programmable 3.3v IO pins.[12:17]<surfn> gordonDrogon: its in a box (tupperware) with some harddrives that are getting quite warm.[12:17]<gordonDrogon> surfn, do you want simple fan on/off, or speed control?[12:17]<surfn> I was thinking about cooling the box when it got too hot...[12:17]<surfn> just on / off[12:18]<gordonDrogon> surfn, then look for a fan that will work for it and use the hddtemp program to check the temperatures of the drives.[12:18]<surfn> i drilled some holes in the tupperware, but I don't think it'll be enough[12:18]<gordonDrogon> surfn, you'll need a curcuit to turn the fan on/off - the Pi can't drive it directly - either a transistor/darlington or some dedicated motor controller chip.[12:18]<surfn> didn't know there was Hddtemp[12:19]* xCP23x (xCP23x@149.241.236.236) has joined #raspberrypi[12:19]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) has joined #raspberrypi[12:19]<gordonDrogon> ryao, in the UK? I urdered via my business account...[12:19]<surfn> gordonDrogon: I was thinking of a small version of this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Computer-PC-Case-4-Pin-Cool-Cooler-Cooling-Fan-120mm-/271140713971?pt=UK_Computing_Case_Fans&hash=item3f213ef5f3[12:20]<ryao> gordonDrogon: In NY.[12:21]<gordonDrogon> surfn, that's a 12v fan, so you'll need a separate 12v supply - you might have that with the drives.[12:21]<surfn> like, this one, http://www.ebay.com/itm/40mm-x-10mm-New-Case-Fan-5V-DC-6-2CFM-PC-CPU-Computer-3pin-Ball-Bearings-360A-/170905831571?pt=US_Computer_Case_Fans&hash=item27cac80893[12:21]<gordonDrogon> ryao, ah, I've no idea what the deliverys are like over there...[12:21]<surfn> well, the one I just posted is 5v[12:21]<gordonDrogon> the first one was 12v[12:22]<surfn> I know, but that was just an example :) 5v would work better right?[12:22]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[12:22]<gordonDrogon> surfn, 160mA - that's getting close that mav. for the Pi's 5v output.[12:23]<booyaa> mmm anyone else getting 404s? http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/g/geoip-database/geoip-database_20130108-1_all.deb 404 Not Found[12:23]<gordonDrogon> you'll still need a driver/buffer of some sort - hows your soldering skills?[12:23]<booyaa> i can see the package in a browser, but the pi's not having any of it[12:23]<surfn> gordonDrogon: is that good or bad?[12:23]<surfn> I can solder[12:23]<nid0> hmm[12:23]<gordonDrogon> booyaa, what you have in /etc/apt/sources.list?[12:23]<surfn> I can solder, but I'm not sure what you mean by driver/buffer[12:23]<nid0> when someone asks you to see what performance you can get from hosting dynamic content on a pi, is it cheating to also put it behind cloudflare?[12:24]<gordonDrogon> surfn, it's ok, but you'll not be able to use anything else on the Pi...[12:24]<booyaa> gordonDrogon: deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi[12:24]<gordonDrogon> booyaa, Hm. I have: deb http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi[12:25]<booyaa> oo-er[12:25]<surfn> gordonDrogon: what do you mean, anything else? Like I have powered HDDs on a hub, but they'll be fine right?[12:25]<gordonDrogon> surfn, should be.[12:25]<surfn> gordonDrogon: I just don't know which pin I should connect it to...[12:25]<gordonDrogon> surfn, the Pi itself can only supply a limited mount of current - so any directly powered USB devices might suffer.[12:26]<gordonDrogon> surfn, you'll need to build a circuit to buffer it - e.g. use a uln2003...[12:26]<surfn> nah, none of that, but I want it to keep running as a server[12:26]* scummos (~sven@p4FDCED12.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[12:26]<aDro> Does anyone here SSH into their PI?[12:26]* djazz (~djazz@80.78.216.219) has joined #raspberrypi[12:27]<gordonDrogon> aDro, yes.[12:27]<nid0> pretty much all of us i'd imagine[12:27]<double-you> yes[12:27]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:27]<aDro> After you type in your Login, how long does it take for the password query to appear?[12:27]<aDro> Mine seems rather slow[12:27]<nid0> fraction of a second[12:27]<double-you> immediately after username[12:27]<surfn> gordonDrogon: why?[12:28]<aDro> 700mhz?[12:28]<gordonDrogon> surfn, because the Pi's outputs are only 3.3v and they can only drive 16mA. You need 10x that to drive he fan.[12:28]<surfn> aDro: me too, it takes only a split second...[12:28]<gordonDrogon> you type a password for ssh?[12:29]* gordonDrogon peels the sticker off a Farnell branded SD card...[12:30]<gordonDrogon> Hm. it's blank underneath, but they say Sandisk on the website, so I'll put it back.[12:31]<gordonDrogon> comes with Raspbian, but I think I'll just re-image it anyway.[12:31]<aDro> is there a test I can run to determine my RPi statistics?[12:31]<nid0> any particular statistics?[12:31]<aDro> diagnostics[12:31]<nid0> ...[12:31]<gordonDrogon> aDro, if ssh is taking a long time, it's probably doing a reverse dns lookup - and timing out before it asks for a password.[12:32]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[12:32]<aDro> The IP for both computers are using static ips, could the DNS still affect it?[12:32]<gordonDrogon> yes.[12:32]<gordonDrogon> sshd will try to do a reverse lookup.[12:33]<gordonDrogon> once logged in, try this command:[12:33]<aDro> How do I avoid this issue?[12:33]<gordonDrogon> host 192.168.1.2 - where that IP is the IP of the PC you ssh from.[12:33]<gordonDrogon> See if that takes a long time.[12:34]* cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf[12:34]<gordonDrogon> in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, add: UseDNS no .. then /etc/inti.d/sshd restart[12:34]<gordonDrogon> and login again.[12:36]<surfn> what is the command to see the CPU temperature?[12:36]<aDro> Host 1.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)[12:36]* pecorade (~pecorade@host142-94-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[12:36]* linuxstb (~linuxstb@unaffiliated/linuxstb) Quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[12:37]<gordonDrogon> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp[12:37]<double-you> \opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp[12:38]<gordonDrogon> aDro, but did it take a long time, or return instantly?[12:38]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:38]<aDro> instantly[12:38]* Patteh (~BOB@unaffiliated/patteh) has joined #raspberrypi[12:38]* Patteh (~BOB@unaffiliated/patteh) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[12:38]<gordonDrogon> aDro, Hm... I'd still try editing that line into /etc/ssh/sshd_config anyway and see what happens.[12:39]<gordonDrogon> it's the "usual" cause of slow ssh logins.[12:39]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[12:40]* johnthebear (~Johnthebe@c-24-11-165-154.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[12:40]* Patteh (~BOB@unaffiliated/patteh) has joined #raspberrypi[12:40]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-121-219-251-31.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:40]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-121-219-251-31.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[12:41]* Datalink|Elsewhe (~Datalink@unaffiliated/datalink) has joined #raspberrypi[12:41]<Zarek_> hmm, weird. running `/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp` on arch nets this: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd: error while loading shared libraries: libvcos.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory[12:41]<aDro> for some reason I couldn't restart sshd[12:42]<aDro> Restartin device[12:42]* Datalink (~Datalink@unaffiliated/datalink) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:43]<aDro> Connection refused gordonDrogon[12:43]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[12:43]<surfn> yeah, my pi, in the box's cpu temp is 53C[12:44]<aDro> surfn: Did you find out the terminal command?[12:44]<surfn> what's too high?[12:44]<aDro> 85C is too high[12:44]<aDro> 75 Is Warning[12:44]<Shift_> surfn, about 75+ is when you should start thinking about it.[12:44]<gordonDrogon> aDro, then edit it back out again..[12:44]<aDro> wait[12:45]<double-you> I wasn't able to get more than 52C[12:45]<surfn> ok, well its evening, maybe tomorrow in the heat of the day I'll check again[12:45]<aDro> It's working, it might be running slow[12:45]<gordonDrogon> surfn, did you get hddtemp working?[12:45]<surfn> gordonDrogon: no, the USB drives don't have it[12:45]<aDro> gordonDrogon: Instantly getting the password query now[12:45]<aDro> gordonDrogon: You're some sort of wizard or something.[12:45]<gordonDrogon> aDro, no - just old.[12:46]<aDro> Beard?[12:46]<gordonDrogon> sometimes, but not right now.[12:46]<aDro> Sometimes a wizard[12:46]<gordonDrogon> sometimes have a beard..[12:46]<aDro> You sometimes have a staff too, i bet.[12:46]<gordonDrogon> surprised hddtemp isn't working...[12:47]<gordonDrogon> aDro, I have a walking pole...[12:47]<aDro> wizard[12:48]<gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/gordon/mePhotos/mnt1.jpg[12:48]<gordonDrogon> that's me.[12:48]<aDro> On a mountain.[12:48]<gordonDrogon> approx. 28 years ago.[12:48]<gordonDrogon> with a beard.[12:48]<aDro> Wizard of the mountain.[12:48]<nid0> argh, wolly mammoth![12:48]<Zarek_> okay. `/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp` didn't work but running it with library path set (`LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vc/lib /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp`) works[12:48]<aDro> lol[12:49]<gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/gordon/mePhotos/wfall.jpg <-- another - about the same era.[12:49]<Shift_> Zarek_, archlinux?[12:49]* wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) has joined #raspberrypi[12:50]<Zarek_> yep[12:50]<gordonDrogon> I have shorter hair & beard here: http://drogon.net/gordon/images2/horse.jpg[12:50]<Shift_> Zarek_, It's a known bug then, I just export LD_LIBRARY_PATH in bashrc to get around it.[12:50]<gordonDrogon> really old scans of old photos... way back when we had photos printed using chemicals on paper...[12:50]<Zarek_> heheh, bash[12:51]<Zarek_> but yeah that works[12:51]<Shift_> Don't you heheh at bash D=[12:51]<Zarek_> :3?[12:51]<gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/gordon/images2/mnt2.jpg <- no beard and probably only 23 years ago...[12:51]<Zarek_> i prefer zsh[12:52]<gordonDrogon> (that's on he top of Beuchaille ettive mor looking out to Rannoch Moor.)[12:52]<Shift_> To each his and/or her own.[12:53]<Zarek_> indeed[12:53]<gordonDrogon> the headline photo on: https://projects.drogon.net/ is only a couple of years old. (no beard right now :)[12:54]<gordonDrogon> I'm thinking of creating a separate site for wiringPi with a forum for it... I seem to have a few people using the comments on my site right now as a sort of forum anyway...[12:54]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:54]<gordonDrogon> doubt I could persuade the foundation to create a wiringPi forum on their site though...[12:54]<Zarek_> this reminds me, i need to set up my personal wiki again[12:54]<gordonDrogon> it would be neat though :)[12:55]<nid0> maybe ask them, if its popular enough there's no reason not to create a subforum[12:56]<gordonDrogon> I think they are concerend about "official endorsement" type thing though.[12:56]* Kane (~Kane@102.17.197.77.rev.sfr.net) has joined #raspberrypi[12:57]<Kane> o/[12:58]* viperfx (~tharshan@cpc1-cmbg14-2-0-cust198.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[12:59]* alpha080 (~alpha080@211.138.147.156) Quit ()[12:59]<aDro> gordonDrogon: Do you just live on a mountain?[12:59]* alpha080 (~alpha080@211.138.147.156) has joined #raspberrypi[12:59]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[13:00]* linuxstb (~linuxstb@unaffiliated/linuxstb) has joined #raspberrypi[13:01]<aDro> BRB, I have to test my webcam on Ubuntu[13:01]* aDro (~l4gl3ss@d67-193-252-25.home3.cgocable.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:06]* cccy_RegeaneWolf (~cccyRegea@96.8.121.100) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:07]* bizarro_1 (~bizarro_1@174.Red-88-19-142.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #raspberrypi[13:07]* dero (~dero@p548B46D2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[13:09]* cccyRegeaneWolfe (~cccyRegea@96.8.121.100) has joined #raspberrypi[13:10]* dero (~dero@p548B46D2.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Client Quit)[13:11]<gordonDrogon> Hm. hes gone... but for anyone else, no. I don't live on a mountian[13:11]* felipealmeida (~user@mvx-187-16-79-187.mundivox.com) has joined #raspberrypi[13:16]* discopig (~discopig@unaffiliated/discopig) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:16]<flufmnstr> i.....i feel so lied to....[13:17]* flufmnstr puts on hat and leaves[13:17]<Macer> blah. have to wait on my SD and case from amazon :)[13:17]<Macer> wonder how long a 32GB class 10 sd will last if using it as a web server[13:18]<gordonDrogon> longer than the Pi will.[13:19]<Macer> heh[13:20]<Macer> the pi will be fine :)[13:20]* nils_2_ (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[13:20]<Macer> can't do much worse than the synology i was trying to use :-P[13:20]* Xark would put his money on the Pi before an SD card for longevity... :)[13:20]<Macer> heh.. yeah me too.[13:21]<Macer> what does linux do if the sd starts fading away?[13:21]<Macer> does it just map the sections as bad and move on?[13:21]<Macer> i would guess that spreading the sd would help it last for quite a long time but the swapping would probably hit it a bit hard[13:21]<Xark> Macer: If the bad sector makes it to Linux, AFAIK it does not handle it all that gracefully...[13:22]<Xark> (vs the card remapping it transparently etc.)[13:22]<roaster> Macer, My guess: unexpected behaviour and probably weird troubles that are hard to put your finger on[13:22]<Macer> oh. the SD maps it itself?[13:22]<Macer> as bad?[13:23]<Macer> that would work too.. i mean i doubt it would be a systematic failure... i'm sure some switches fair better than others[13:23]<Xark> Macer: Yes, it has a "wear leveler" or it would die much more rapidly. It tries to spread the wear over all the memory cells.[13:23]<roaster> Macer, don't think so that the card does that no, your os or app will just at some point get failing results when doing i/o and depending on what exactly can't be done your app or os will either quit gracefully, crash or pretend nothing is going on :D[13:23]* nils_2_ (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Client Quit)[13:23]<Macer> Xark: and it does this all on the sd? there is no need for any type of os/software support?[13:24]<Xark> Macer: Yes, there is a little controller on the SD card.[13:24]<Macer> nice[13:24]<Macer> what are the cells rated at?[13:24]<Xark> Macer: This is why it can use an ancient DOS file system (which knows nothing about wear levelling).[13:24]<roaster> Xark, it will just try to spread usage as much as possible but as far as I know it won't detect bad cells for you, or does it?[13:25]* nils_2_ (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[13:25]<roaster> <-- not an sd card guru hehe just try to use common sense[13:25]<Macer> like.... 5,000,000,000,000 writes before it is expected to go bad?[13:25]<Macer> :)[13:25]<roaster> Macer, that depends on your sd card[13:25]<Xark> Macer: I don't think it is that high (more like 100,000 IIRC). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_leveling[13:26]<Macer> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007M51J3I/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00[13:26]<Macer> i got that one heh[13:27]* prjkt (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #raspberrypi[13:27]* Rukouen (~Rukouen@c220-239-165-134.randw3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:27]<roaster> doesn't sandisk offer lifetime warranty?[13:28]<Macer> In flash memory, a single block on the chip is designed for longer life than the others so that the memory controller can store operational data with less chance of its corruption[13:28]<roaster> I think the shop where I bought my sandisk card the guy said I have a lifetime warranty[13:28]<Macer> why not make the entire device out of that "special" block?[13:28]<Macer> heh[13:28]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:29]<roaster> cost ;)[13:29]* surfn (~quassel@121.98.125.19) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:29]* aDro (~l4gl3ss@d67-193-252-25.home3.cgocable.net) has joined #raspberrypi[13:29]<aDro> why would my RPi webcam take pictures that are corrupted on the bottom of the photo, but work on a different box using windows and linux?[13:30]<roaster> if you use your sd card in a digital camera it will take ages to wear out, nobody will buy cards that are supposed to have a longer life cycle when the average consumer already has enough life for his card :D[13:30]<roaster> aDro, using the same drivers?[13:30]<aDro> I believe so, I used fswebcam[13:30]<aDro> And the verbose information were identical[13:31]<aDro> Identical photos too except for the slight corruption[13:31]<Macer> roaster: i'd pay more for something that wouldn't break ;)[13:31]* chep (~chep@116.9.9.93.rev.sfr.net) has joined #raspberrypi[13:31]<roaster> hehe Macer[13:31]<nid0> the SD card won't break.[13:31]<Macer> nid0: fine... wear[13:31]<nid0> it wont wear out either[13:31]<aDro> trying a new image[13:31]<roaster> aDro, your usb port on RPI might not be giving enough power?[13:31]<Macer> nid0: it wouldn't eventually?[13:31]<roaster> what power supply are you using?[13:31]* Nebukadneza (~quassel@ghostdub.de) has left #raspberrypi[13:32]<aDro> usb hub and the camera is 100mAmps[13:32]<Macer> say i had my pi running a web server for like 10 years :)[13:32]<Macer> constantly swapping to the SD[13:32]<nid0> eventually it will yes but that "eventually" is almost certainly longer than your pi will last, and probably longer than you will.[13:32]<Macer> nid0: it's like waiting for the sun to go red giant huh?[13:33]<roaster> Macer, I'd consider switching off swapping and buy an extra pi and put it in load balancing *grin*[13:33]<Macer> nid0: my main concern is that what i will make will be worthwhile and long term used... and then have the sd die on me :)[13:33]<nid0> simple maths really. any SD card currently has a barest minimum of 100,000 write cycles for the entire card, and they have wear levelling[13:33]<roaster> aDro, doesn't sound like that would be the problem then lol[13:33]<Macer> roaster: hahahhaa[13:33]<aDro> i hope not[13:33]<aDro> I gotta get a volt meter anyways[13:33]<aDro> test stuff out[13:33]<Macer> roaster: how about i make a case with 20 pis in it and cluster them all :-P[13:34]<Macer> ~$800 for the pis[13:34]* Jever (~Jever@unaffiliated/jever) has joined #raspberrypi[13:34]<nid0> so lets say you have an 8GB card and you're using 4GB of data on it, and on that you're actively writing say 1GB regularly. that 1GB then spreads across 5GB of space on the card over time, so you have 500,000 write cycles for that 1GB of data[13:34]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[13:34]<nid0> the PI can write at 20MB/s at the absolute most, thats 51 seconds to write a GB, call it a round minute[13:34]<roaster> I think it's saef to say that the sd card is pretty reliable :D[13:35]<nid0> so you're looking at 500,000 minutes or 8,333 hours or 1 year lifetime[13:35]<nid0> assuming you're writing that 1GB of data constantly at the absolute max throughput of the pi[13:35]<roaster> your pi might overheat and break lol[13:35]<Macer> well.. that doesn't sound promising[13:36]<Macer> 1 year isn't long :) but who would WRITE that much[13:36]<nid0> are you writing 1GB of data to 5GB of space at full speed permanently?[13:36]* prjkt (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[13:36]<roaster> if so, please consider another device to run your stuff on haha[13:36]<Macer> heh[13:36]<Macer> no... i doubt i will be[13:36]* Xark has never had a system with SD card root that has not suffered SD card fatigue eventually (going back to N800). Already had one Sandisk die on my RPi...[13:36]<Macer> but under heavy load[13:36]<Macer> i suppose a swap might be able to do that[13:36]<nid0> it wont[13:37]<nid0> swapping on your pi will see maybe a couple of MB/s write at the absolute worst case[13:37]* tinti_ (~tinti@pdpc/supporter/student/tinti) has joined #raspberrypi[13:37]<roaster> I've only had my pi for a short while :D[13:37]<nid0> and its going to be a few MB worth of data, not a GB[13:37]<Macer> nid0: ah ok. well. i'll try it out then when i get my sd and case[13:37]<Macer> going to power it off my synology heh[13:37]<nid0> assume a 256MB swap, and that worst-case you're using all of it[13:37]<Macer> and use it as the web server[13:38]<roaster> lunch time[13:38]<nid0> so on that 5GB of space, you get 20x the space needed for the swap to wear level, thats 2 million write cycles[13:38]<Macer> not to mention i'm using a 32GB sd ;)[13:38]<Macer> so multiply what you are saying by 4 i can guess?[13:39]<gordonDrogon> I do wonder about using 'dd' to image an SD card though - as that'll effectively write all sectors and after that the card can't wear-level as it doesn't know which sectors are not actually in-use.[13:39]<nid0> exactly, this scales up hugely. if you have 25GB free and are writing a 256MB swap, you have in the ballpark of 10 million write cycles, and thats assuming the absolute minimum typical lifetime of a modern card of 100k cycles[13:40]<Xark> gordonDrogon: Wouldn't that be a "wash" instead of all sectors with 0, they all have 1. :)[13:40]<Xark> [use count][13:40]<Macer> i see. well... then hopefully it works out for me :)[13:40]<Macer> the synology ds411j is too weak to be used as a web server for what i want to do[13:40]* nils_2_ is now known as nils_2_rpi[13:40]<Macer> with its 128MB of ram and 1.2GHz armv5 .. the io is too slow[13:41]<nid0> besides which, if you're serving some minimalist site, you dont see anything touch the disk anyway[13:41]<Macer> fengoffice takes forever with only 1 user[13:41]<nid0> http://www.ratherdisturbing.co.uk[13:41]<Macer> i wanted to use fengoffice and wp on it[13:41]<nid0> other than writing logfiles, that site is now running entirely from ram on my pi[13:41]<Shift_> Seems like people who actually use sdcards a lot might beg to differ, especially when using swap or compiling on the card. The theoretical maximum lifetime is nice and all, but I am willing to bet that if you were constantly writting to a card on a pi, you wouldn't get anywhere near a year.[13:41]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #raspberrypi[13:41]<gordonDrogon> Xark, don't know really, but if the card is counting sectors written, then you'll have written all of them with the dd, but I suspect dd'ing the 2GB image onto a 32GB card would be better as there's then 30GB un-written...[13:42]* tinti_ (~tinti@pdpc/supporter/student/tinti) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[13:42]<mjr> the cards aren't necessarily very smart about write balancing though[13:42]<nid0> no, sd card wear levelling is basically just a random round-robin process[13:42]<Xark> gordonDrogon: Perhaps, and I think there are a variety of algorithms in use. However, I think the goal is just creating level use, so writing over all sectors once wouldn't seem too bad for that.[13:43]* tinti_ (~tinti@pdpc/supporter/student/tinti) has joined #raspberrypi[13:43]<gordonDrogon> yes - unless they actually 'know' the filesystem underneath..[13:43]<nid0> but over time with the high number of cycles involved it typically averages out fairly well[13:43]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:43]<Macer> nid0: seems to be a lot better than my synology was fairing[13:43]* bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:43]<Macer> just opening anything would take a minute[13:43]<Macer> it is horrible[13:44]<Macer> i don't even know why synology has the web services on a ds411j[13:44]<nid0> you're going to struggle running anything dynamic from a -j model synology[13:44]<Macer> nid0: i noticed ;)[13:44]<Macer> in hindsight i probably would have not gotten a j[13:44]<Macer> but it works well with all the other services enabled[13:44]<Macer> the web server destroys it.. my load avg jumps to 10+[13:44]<Mortvert> Grr. Why waiting for despatch is such torture? D:[13:44]<Xark> gordonDrogon: If that wikipedia article is accurate, there are two main flavors (static and dynamic). Doesn't look like either are "filesystem aware".[13:45]<nid0> all the j models really are "it can run the stuff its meant to, but delve into the additional packages and you'll have problems"[13:45]<Macer> nid0: yeah.. seems that way. other than the web server tho all the services work fine[13:45]<Macer> i even set up bind on it using optware[13:45]<Macer> i'm ircing from it now ;)[13:46]<Macer> i was going to see if maybe their packages were broken by attempting to use the optware apache,php,mysql,etc[13:46]<Macer> but i doubt that is the case.... fengoffice and wordpress brought the 411j to a crawl[13:46]<nid0> their packages arent terribly up to date, but you're just gonna struggle getting much out of apache+php with a 128MB ram system[13:47]<nid0> especially if its running all your other package services as well[13:47]<gordonDrogon> Xark, I'd be surprised if any sd cards are FS aware.. The only device I know of is the Drobo - that knows about fst/ntfs and (I think ext3)[13:47]<Macer> yeah :-/ the swapping drags the io% to 80+% constantly[13:47]<Xark> gordonDrogon: Is that because it had "raw" flash to control?[13:48]<gordonDrogon> Xark, no - nothing to do with flash - that's for their 'thin provisioning' - you stick a 100GB drive in, and the controller tells the host it has a 2TB drive...[13:48]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:48]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[13:48]<gordonDrogon> so it fakes it all, but needs to know when the real disk is getting full to alert you to putting another one in...[13:48]<Macer> nid0: thank you for the information. hopefully my stuff arrives soon and i can get it going. otherwise i will just use this... http://www.e-itx.com/cfi-a7879.html[13:48]<Macer> and build my own nas with freenas[13:49]<Macer> and give the synology to my parents or something[13:49]<nid0> honestly i'd just buy a better synology :P theyre fantastic nas's that can do a hell of a lot for the price, you just bought the one that craps out with apache ;)[13:49]<Macer> heh.. fair point[13:50]<Xark> gordonDrogon: I see. Like logical volume manager.[13:50]<Macer> nid0: but then again building one might be half the price[13:50]* Saiban (~Preferabl@unaffiliated/songun) has joined #raspberrypi[13:50]<Macer> the cheapest 4 bay + synology is like $600+ for the nas itself[13:50]<Zarek_> i've got a QNAP TS-419P II[13:50]<Zarek_> and it's not too bad[13:50]<Macer> i think that's overpriced for a case with an atom and 1GB[13:50]<nid0> not really, the ds413j is ??275[13:50]<nid0> assuming you mean usd that should be about $400[13:50]<Macer> 413j is still a j ;)[13:51]<nid0> yeah, but its a 413, 2 years newer and 2 extra disks + higher spec[13:51]<dwatkins> What does the 'j' mean?[13:51]<nid0> still budget spec for a 4-disk model but it does have 512mb of ram[13:51]<nid0> dwatkins: the j is just the cheap version of each of synology's line of nas's[13:51]<Macer> nid0: $500 on amazon for a 413j[13:51]<dwatkins> nid0: ah ok, I'm probably going to buy a DS413j fairly soon[13:51]<nid0> their lines are disk number-model year-variant[13:52]<nid0> so its 413j (cheap) 413 (normal) 413+ (high spec)[13:52]<gordonDrogon> Xark, well sort of. not sure if they still do that though - it was handy when disks were expensive though - you never needed to resize the filesystem.[13:52]<gordonDrogon> if you want to DIY a little home NAS, then the HP Microservers are good.[13:52]* Kripton is now known as kripton[13:53]<gordonDrogon> that's probably going to by my next one to replace the one I last built.[13:53]<Macer> nid0: building one from scratch using the case i pointed out above would run around $350[13:53]<Macer> minus disks of course[13:53]<Macer> and have hotswap bays :)[13:53]<nid0> hold on[13:53]<Macer> which the j does not[13:53]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:53]<nid0> on amazon.com, the 413j is $380[13:53]<nid0> where'd you get $500[13:54]<Zarek_> i paid $800 NZD for my QNAP[13:54]<Zarek_> <_<[13:54]<Macer> http://www.amazon.com/Synology-Feature-Rich-Workgroups-Offices-DS413/dp/B008U69HOG/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1358599875&sr=1-2&keywords=synology+ds413j[13:54]<nid0> thats the non j[13:54]<Macer> oh[13:54]<nid0> http://www.amazon.com/Synology-Budget-Friendly-Server-Offices-DS413J/dp/B008U69LC4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358600014&sr=8-1&keywords=ds413j[13:54]<gordonDrogon> https://www.serversplus.com/servers/server_bundles/658553421-4tbnas[13:55]<roaster> I just got an idea to use the raspberry pi... set up a blind and deaf phone using a cellular network, anyone tried something similar?[13:55]<Macer> oh... wow[13:55]<Macer> 512MB :)[13:55]<Macer> 1.6GHz armv5 ?[13:55]<Macer> so it's the 411j with a bump up of cpu/ram?[13:56]<Macer> for that same price i can get a dual core 1.6GHz atom w/4GB[13:56]<Macer> sorry... 1.86GHz atom ;)[13:56]<nid0> essentially yeah, ram's gone from 128 to 512 and the cpu's better, there might be the odd other improvement[13:56]<chep> hello * I'm having troubles with omxplayer's "-r" switch: when I use it everything is frozen (except omxplayer) and I need to turn off and to turn on my screen to solve the problem. If I don't use "-r" everything is fine but my video is not fullscreen...[13:56]<nid0> the 413 might be usb3 for example[13:57]<nid0> on, no, 413j stays at usb2[13:57]<nid0> so yea basically the difference between 411j and 413j is the cpu and ram[13:58]<nid0> its slightly quieter too[13:58]<Macer> heh.. which doesn't justify the price for the hardware.. although... the dsm is nice[13:58]<Macer> great interface tbh[13:58]* ChaozHenchman (ChaozHench@c-174-63-136-204.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[13:58]<user82_> uhm...where would that be in the peripherals sheet? #define CLK_BASE 0x20101000[13:58]<Macer> it's like the macbook of nas[13:58]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[13:58]<Macer> decent software to use it... but seriously overpriced hardware[13:59]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[13:59]<nid0> tbh dsm is the reason to buy synology, hardware wise you cant really go wrong with any of a qnap, thecus or synology and theyre all priced similarly, but dsm makes the synologys much more versatile[13:59]* SgrA (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:59]<Macer> i agree. the dsm is great.. even tho to do nicer things with it you need to set up optware[14:00]<aDro> FREE Microserver Keyring![14:00]<aDro> What is that?[14:00]<Macer> for now tho.. i think i have my eyes set on that nas case and freenas just to see how well that works out .. plus.. it uses zfs[14:00]<Macer> you can't go wrong with zfs :)[14:02]<nid0> tbh the versatility of modern software in these nas's is almost becoming embarrasing for enterprise equipment[14:02]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28481.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: NIN101)[14:03]<nid0> a ??150 synology nas that can perfectly well handle thin provisioning when our 3 grand powervaults cant[14:04]* nils_2_rpi is now known as nils_2[14:05]* Neonkoala (~quassel@loki.dawson.be) has joined #raspberrypi[14:05]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[14:05]* Oejet (~Oejet@unaffiliated/oejet) has joined #raspberrypi[14:06]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:06]<Macer> nid0: haha.. that is a bit shameful[14:06]<Macer> does synology make rackmounted stuff?[14:06]<gordonDrogon> user82_, it's not in there directly.[14:06]<user82_> gordonDrogon, i managed to find it..somewhwere in the clock manager[14:06]<nid0> Macer: yeah they are pushing into the business/enterprise market, they have 5 or 6 rackmount models now[14:06]<Macer> oh wow[14:06]<Macer> look out oracle :-P[14:07]<Macer> oracle/sun[14:07]<Macer> hopefully they can make them go bankrupt[14:07]<nid0> they don't yet have any fully redundant dual controller models, but dsm does now include a built in software failover system so you can just happily use 2[14:07]<Macer> i curse the day oracle bought sun[14:08]* nils_2 is now known as nils_2_rpi[14:08]<aDro> Why would one of my connections on my router show up as Half-Duplex?[14:08]* nils_2_rpi is now known as nils_2[14:09]<Mortvert> damaged port, perhaps?[14:09]<mgottschlag> user82_: huh, were does ARM software deal with CM directly?[14:09]<mgottschlag> *where[14:09]<user82_> in the fm radio transmitter hack[14:09]<user82_> how do i need to set this? "Fractional part of divisor"[14:10]<user82_> the integer part is easy...but how is fractional interpreted?[14:11]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28481.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi[14:11]<mgottschlag> user82_: ah, the GPIO clocks are actually in the GPIO part of the manual[14:11]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[14:11]<mgottschlag> 12 binary digits for the fractional part[14:11]<mgottschlag> so, 0xfff would be close to the next digit, where 0x001 would be one 4096th more than the natural part[14:12]<user82_> i understand[14:12]<user82_> thank you[14:12]<mgottschlag> also, my english maths vocabulary is incredibly limited[14:13]<gordonDrogon> what are you trying to do?[14:13]<aDro> Who has two monitors?[14:13]* SgrA (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) has joined #raspberrypi[14:13]<mgottschlag> ... and the pwm clock at 0x40 is missing from our register documentation, need to add it later -.-[14:14]<user82_> gordonDrogon, changing the broadcast frequency[14:14]<gordonDrogon> oh, this an FM transmitter thingy?[14:14]<user82_> yes...the ugly one with PWM[14:14]<user82_> http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter#How_to_change_the_broadcast_frequency[14:14]<gordonDrogon> :)[14:15]<nid0> aDro, yes[14:15]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[14:15]<aDro> what side do you keep your taskbar on?[14:15]<nid0> both[14:15]<aDro> lucky duck[14:15]<nid0> i've always used ultramon (prior to win8) and displayfusion (with win7) to provide a full second taskbar[14:15]<nid0> prior to win7* that should be[14:16]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[14:16]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:16]<aDro> not free[14:16]<aDro> is it?[14:16]<nid0> no, displayfusion is (was) just nagware that would prompt you once on startup and have some advanced features off on the free version though[14:17]<nid0> displayfusion was worth it for me to pay for though[14:18]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-121-219-251-31.lnse1.win.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[14:19]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca56e7.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[14:19]* ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK[14:20]* AeroNotix (~xeno@abos142.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[14:21]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[14:22]* teepee (~quassel@p5084714D.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:23]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:24]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[14:24]* herdingcat (~huli@114.249.211.74) has joined #raspberrypi[14:25]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) has joined #raspberrypi[14:25]* dr_willis (~dr_willis@2601:d:a180:2b:ba27:ebff:fee3:3bd5) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[14:25]* heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) Quit (Disconnected by services)[14:25]* heathkid|2 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) has joined #raspberrypi[14:26]* tektsu (~Adium@ip24-56-44-80.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi[14:27]* heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) has joined #raspberrypi[14:27]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[14:27]<Mortvert> So, it's 100% clear that RS cleared their backorder list?[14:28]* heathkid|3 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) has joined #raspberrypi[14:28]* heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) Quit (Disconnected by services)[14:28]* Zencrypter (~Chuck-nor@AMontsouris-553-1-112-35.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #raspberrypi[14:29]* Zencrypter is now known as Encrypt[14:29]* Mikelevel (~MoVeWoRk@60.Red-80-25-210.staticIP.rima-tde.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[14:29]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[14:29]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[14:30]* heathkid|2 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[14:31]<gordonDrogon> don't know about RS, but Farnell is next-day right now.[14:31]<gordonDrogon> ie. I ordered 2 yesterday afternoon and got them this morning.[14:31]<nid0> thats good to know, their site still says upto 3 weeks[14:32]* voxadam (~voxadam@c-71-59-211-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[14:33]* heathkid|3 (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[14:34]* Visage (~visage@pdpc/supporter/active/visage) has joined #raspberrypi[14:37]<gordonDrogon> RS?[14:37]* Sendoushi (~Musok@cm2-84-91-84-50.netvisao.pt) has joined #raspberrypi[14:38]<gordonDrogon> Farnell: 392 in stock for next working day delivery (UK stock)[14:38]<Macer> wow[14:38]<Macer> http://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-X7SPA-HF-D525-O-Server-Motherboard-Retail/dp/B0061NHRXI/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1358602580&sr=8-13&keywords=mini-itx+motherboard+atom[14:38]<Macer> why is that so expensive?[14:38]<Macer> supermicro still made in the USA? :) (with 99.99% imported parts)[14:39]<Encrypt> :?[14:39]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:40]* tektsu (~Adium@ip24-56-44-80.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[14:40]<Macer> jetway has a quad lan mini-itx board heh[14:41]<Macer> i can't imagine what someone would do with all 4 lan ports at once[14:41]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:44]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[14:44]* Visage (~visage@pdpc/supporter/active/visage) Quit (Quit: ????????????)[14:46]* chep (~chep@116.9.9.93.rev.sfr.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:46]* chep (~chep@116.9.9.93.rev.sfr.net) has joined #raspberrypi[14:47]* Visage (~visage@pdpc/supporter/active/visage) has joined #raspberrypi[14:47]* Gordio (~Gordio@46.211.120.180) has joined #raspberrypi[14:47]<gordonDrogon> My home/office network uses 5 Ethernet ports on the router.[14:48]<gordonDrogon> 1 - ADSL modem. 2, DMZ LAN, 3 - Home/office LAN, 4,5 2-port bridge (ethernet switch) Wi-Fi Access points.[14:48]* tektsu (~Adium@ip24-56-44-80.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi[14:48]<gordonDrogon> I'v had nothing but trouble from most jetway boards though. don't like them.[14:48]* JawBoneOfAnAss (~dumbsdirt@cpe-076-182-043-163.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[14:49]<Encrypt> gordonDrogon, 5 ports ? Not more ? :?[14:49]* Gordio (~Gordio@46.211.120.180) Quit (Client Quit)[14:49]* Gordio (~Gordio@46.211.120.180) has joined #raspberrypi[14:49]<gordonDrogon> Encrypt, all I need and all that will fit - Atom mobo has one on-board and I have a 4-port 10/100 card.[14:51]* djazz (~djazz@80.78.216.219) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[14:51]* pretty_function (~sigBART@123.252.212.124) has joined #raspberrypi[14:51]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[14:52]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:52]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:53]<Mortvert> gordonDrogon - i'd buy from farnell, if it didn't cost additional $10[14:53]* Rootert (~Rootert@541F370E.cm-5-8a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[14:53]* RagBal (~RagBal@541F370E.cm-5-8a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[14:53]* intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) has joined #raspberrypi[14:53]<Mortvert> RS was ~~50$ after currency convertion[14:54]<Mortvert> farnell retailer is well over $60[14:57]<Mortvert> (I hate it when it says $35 on foundation site but is almost double on retailer)[14:57]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[14:57]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[15:00]* ChaozHenchman (ChaozHench@c-174-63-136-204.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[15:00]<Dyskette> Mortvert: are you by any chance in the us? Because it's some forty-odd dollars here in the UK with shipping and VAT.[15:00]<Mortvert> Dyskette - nope, poland[15:00]<Dyskette> Mortvert: ah.[15:01]<Dyskette> Mortvert: but yeah, sadly shipping costs money :/[15:01]<Mortvert> Dyskette - shipping was 5 UK pounds[15:01]<Mortvert> rest is raspi[15:01]<Mortvert> let me see, how much was it[15:01]* Holden (~holden@unaffiliated/holdenc) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[15:02]<Dyskette> Mortvert: huh. When I bought mine there was little/no markup other than tax[15:02]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:02]<Mortvert> Goods total US$35.00[15:02]<Mortvert> Tax US$7.00[15:02]<Mortvert> Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 1 week(s)) US$8.02[15:02]<Mortvert> Order Total US$50.02[15:02]<Mortvert> Same in UK currency[15:02]<Mortvert> Goods total 27.40???[15:02]<Mortvert> Tax 5.48???[15:02]<Mortvert> Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 1 week(s)) 6.28???[15:02]<Mortvert> Order Total 39.16???[15:02]<Dyskette> So yeah, $35 + tax & shipping[15:02]* ^MAssEy^ is now known as MAssEy[15:02]<Dyskette> Heh, Euros are not UK currency :P[15:02]<Mortvert> Erp[15:03]<Mortvert> Wrong button[15:03]<Mortvert> Goods total ??21.60[15:03]<Mortvert> Tax ??4.32[15:03]<Mortvert> Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 1 week(s)) ??4.95[15:03]<Mortvert> Order Total ??30.87[15:03]<gordonDrogon> ?24.96 each + VAT = ?29.95.[15:03]<Mortvert> Sorry 'bout spam[15:03]* prjkt (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #raspberrypi[15:03]<gordonDrogon> free next-day delivery[15:03]<Mortvert> 21 pounds = $35?[15:03]<Dyskette> Mortvert: approximately.[15:03]<Mortvert> Only in UK[15:03]<Mortvert> I have to wait for my raspi to get over to poland. Hopefully i'll get it soon D:[15:04]<double-you> Mortvert: took 8 days to germany[15:04]<Mortvert> double-you - got despatch mail?[15:04]<gordonDrogon> today, google tells me that ?24.96 is $39.58[15:04]<Dyskette> I ended up waiting at least 6 months for mine, but that was a little while ago[15:05]<Mortvert> Dyskette - ouch[15:05]<Dyskette> Mortvert: eh, it was expected - around launch time[15:05]<double-you> Mortvert: only Order Confirmation[15:05]<Mortvert> Hm. Placed order 16-01-2013 18:50[15:05]<Mortvert> Err, got the confirmation mail[15:05]* Armand (~martin@cpc17-haye16-2-0-cust427.haye.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:05]* Somelauw (~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw) has joined #raspberrypi[15:05]<Mortvert> double-you - wierd.[15:06]* ChaozHenchman (ChaozHench@c-174-63-136-204.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:06]<Somelauw> Can I configure a raspberry pi over ssh, because I do not have a hdmi cable?[15:06]<double-you> Delivery Type Desc: (Despatch within 1 week(s))[15:06]<Armand> Somelauw, composite?[15:06]<Mortvert> Somelauw - you can use the other plug[15:07]<Armand> ^ ;)[15:07]<Mortvert> connect it to TV[15:07]<Dyskette> Somelauw: as long as you're running an OS that supports sshd, sure[15:07]<Mortvert> (I'm going to emulate C64 on that so hard)[15:07]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[15:07]<Dyskette> (The raspbian image has sshd enabled by default, I think)[15:08]<Armand> Errmmm.. not sure about that, Dyskette..[15:08]<Armand> I know it's on there, but maybe disabled.[15:08]<Dyskette> And yeah, the composite out works very nicely. Terminal can be a little hard on the eyes if you're using it for any extended length of time, but it's grand for video and emulators, etc.[15:08]<Dyskette> Armand: it sure had it enabled by default when I set mine up[15:08]<Mortvert> double-you - reassuring. Hopefully i'll get mine next week![15:08]<Armand> Ahh.. maybe they changed it. ;)[15:09]<Somelauw> Dyskette: also dangerous, because then everybody could potentially take access over your raspberry.[15:10]<Mortvert> Somelauw - what?[15:10]<Somelauw> but can I enable ssh on the sd card somehow?[15:10]<Dyskette> Somelauw: it's on a lan, port 22 is not exposed to the internet[15:10]<Mortvert> First: You need to port forward if you want it to be reachable from inets[15:10]<Mortvert> Then passwords.[15:11]<Mortvert> (You usually disallow logging in as root from SSH too)[15:11]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[15:11]<Dyskette> Yeah, no root logins by default[15:12]<Mortvert> Allowing to login as root from SSH is dumb as hell imo[15:12]<Dyskette> Yep[15:13]<gordonDrogon> Mortvert, sometimes it's handy...[15:13]<Mortvert> gordonDrogon - sudo su[15:13]<Mortvert> exists for a reason :p[15:13]<Dyskette> (As of december last year, raspbian had sshd enabled by default - most recent info I could find)[15:13]<gordonDrogon> Mortvert, sure - but then if you're doing remote backups by rsync, it's very handy.[15:13]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:14]<Dyskette> (Oh wait, no, found the same info from this month, so yeah - sshd should be enabled by default in raspbian)[15:14]<gordonDrogon> I'll fire up a new Pi and see if it's enabled...[15:14]<Mortvert> gordonDrogon - still, i'd rather have root login disabled[15:14]<Mortvert> Man, hurry up with the pi. i even have OS ready D:[15:15]<Somelauw> ok, but I want to use it over wireless[15:16]<Dyskette> Somelauw: that shouldn't really make any difference...[15:16]<Macer> well.. looks like i found a board[15:16]<Macer> http://www.amazon.com/Asus-C60M1-I-SATA3-Motherboard-Combo/dp/B007ZT1FAI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1358603282&sr=8-3&keywords=mini-itx+motherboard+atom+4+sata[15:16]<gordonDrogon> Hm. got to work out its IP address now.,[15:17]<Mortvert> 192.168.1.*[15:17]<Mortvert> try .0 .1 .2 .3 and up[15:17]* Sendoushi (~Musok@cm2-84-91-84-50.netvisao.pt) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[15:17]<Mortvert> Unless you have some wierd router[15:17]<gordonDrogon> Yes, it appears to be enabled.[15:17]<Dyskette> I thought so.[15:17]<Dyskette> I meet opposition every time I claim it though.[15:17]<Dyskette> Why does everyone think it's off by default?[15:17]* tubadaz (~quassel@pdpc/supporter/student/tubadaz) has joined #raspberrypi[15:17]<Mortvert> Who knows,[15:17]<gordonDrogon> Mortvert, I have a weird router. I built it myself... and since my test lan is 192.168.254.x I'd be there a long time :)[15:17]<Mortvert> O_o[15:18]<Mortvert> You BUILT it?[15:18]<Mortvert> What kind of wizardy is that[15:18]<gordonDrogon> NOTICE: the software on this Raspberry Pi has not been fully configured. Please run 'sudo raspi-config'[15:18]<gordonDrogon> Yes, I built it out of a atom mobo, memory, disks, ethernets ,etc.[15:18]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[15:19]<Dyskette> Mortvert: a router is just a computer with a bunch of network connections doing a specific task[15:20]<gordonDrogon> run that, it's rebooting...[15:20]<gordonDrogon> well that was painless.[15:20]<gordonDrogon> first time i've done a from-scratch install for a long time.[15:23]<gordonDrogon> wonder how many packages an apt-get update will pull :)[15:23]<Mortvert> As always: Too many.[15:24]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:24]<gordonDrogon> ugh. it has dphys-swapfile installed.[15:24]<gordonDrogon> that's a waste of time and space.[15:25]<gordonDrogon> and the horrible, really horrible colour scheme for bash and utilities that I need to turn off )-:[15:25]* hyperair (~hyperair@ubuntu/member/hyperair) has joined #raspberrypi[15:25]<Mortvert> Don't forget to backup[15:26]* prjkt (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[15:26]<gordonDrogon> Mortvert, I'm not exactly a newbie...[15:26]<Mortvert> :P[15:26]<Mortvert> I know, just messing with you[15:27]<gordonDrogon> I will actually re-image this with my own image - just seeing what's new now. I'm running a workshop next month where we'll be setting up Pi's from scratch.[15:28]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[15:28]* DeliriumTremens (~DT@reddit/operator/deliriumtremens) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[15:28]<gordonDrogon> I also want to do some brand-new installs of wiringPi on a Pi that's never had it before.[15:28]<gordonDrogon> Also a Rev 2 Pi - my first Rev 2![15:29]<gordonDrogon> some folks seem to have issues with wiringPi now and it's hard to have a system that's never had it before, so I'll likely take an image of this SD card when I'm done, so I can keep a "untouched" Pi for installation testing on.[15:29]* DexterLB (~angel@77-85-5-240.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[15:29]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:29]<gordonDrogon> woo hoo: 156 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. :)[15:29]<Mortvert> WiringPi?[15:29]<gordonDrogon> it's my GPIO library.[15:30]<mrmoney2012> any pimame users around...?[15:30]<gordonDrogon> Mortvert, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/[15:31]<Mortvert> I'll check it out later.[15:31]<gordonDrogon> it's for C & C++ mostly. but there is a command for poking the gpio usable from the shell/scripts...[15:31]<gordonDrogon> there are wrappers for python, etc. but not by me.[15:32]<Mortvert> I'm not touching GPIO anytime soon. I'm not a hardware hacker or anything.[15:32]<Mortvert> Thought i wonder if i can use GPIO in place of a JTAG programmer somehow[15:32]<gordonDrogon> fx: yoda... you will be...[15:32]<gordonDrogon> use the gpio as a jtag programmer for another device?[15:33]<gordonDrogon> Fetched 112 MB in 1min 23s (1,341 kB/s)[15:34]<Mortvert> gordonDrogon - yeah[15:34]<Mortvert> I wonder if that's possible.[15:34]<gordonDrogon> Mortvert, probably... but I suspect it might be easier to just buy an interface device and use usb...[15:34]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[15:34]<Mortvert> Blargh. Why bother when you can hack around?[15:35]* mdik (~mdik@brln-4d0c7ad2.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:35]<gordonDrogon> you'd have to write your own bit-banging software to send the right jtag data down the wires...[15:35]<Mortvert> (especially when IO device can cost way more than raspi)[15:35]<gordonDrogon> sometimes... it's too much bother to hack around..[15:35]<mdik> hi. how do i answer to /usr/bin/raspi-config in a headless setup?[15:35]<gordonDrogon> there is that - I bought a programmer for my ATmega devices even though I can program then diretly via the Pi's GPIO - it was just easier.[15:36]<gordonDrogon> mdik, ssh into the Pi and run it from there.[15:36]<mdik> gordonDrogon: i am sshed and see it already running. so i kill it and run again?[15:37]<gordonDrogon> mdik, no, just run it as it said when you login. no need to kill the one already running.[15:37]<gordonDrogon> mdik, this is what I've literally just done on a new Pi I have here.[15:38]<mdik> sorry, missed it between the other motd lines...[15:38]<mdik> and thanks![15:38]<gordonDrogon> I just used it to re-size the partition and made sure turbo was off.[15:38]<gordonDrogon> that's probably the bare-minimum you need. maybe configure the keyboard too.[15:39]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[15:40]<mdik> fuck. this is an eeepc to the power of ubuntu (hardware and community wise) :D[15:40]<Armand> O_o[15:41]<mdik> (that was a positive *uck!)[15:41]<gordonDrogon> mdik, family friendly channel ...[15:41]<Shift_> the polarity doesn't matter[15:41]<Armand> lol[15:42]<Armand> The entire statement didn't make much sense, tbh, mdik :P[15:44]<mdik> the power of the raspberry is that it is one configuration of affordable hardware (like the eeepc) and a family friendly community around it (which reminds me of the early days of ubuntu)[15:44]<Armand> Ahh... sense R making now.[15:44]<Armand> :)[15:45]<Armand> Never taken a first look at Ubuntu, but.. Ehh. :P[15:46]<Encrypt> mdik, What do you mean ?[15:46]<Encrypt> Ubuntu guys are not anymore friendly ? :?[15:47]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[15:47]* dj_pi (~asd@c-107-5-25-243.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:49]<mdik> ok. mabye they are still a little bit friendly (;[15:49]<Encrypt> :?[15:52]* Holden (~holden@unaffiliated/holdenc) has joined #raspberrypi[15:52]* xacobe97 (Xacobe@trekweb/user/rulz) has left #raspberrypi[15:53]* pretty_function (~sigBART@123.252.212.124) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[15:54]* Winston_Minitrue (~pi@02793ff4.bb.sky.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[15:54]<flufmnstr> did the github raspberry pi site change its file structure recently? i see a lot of forum posts from late 2012 that refference URLs that dont exist[15:55]* Winston_Minitrue (~pi@02793ff4.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:56]<flufmnstr> for instance https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/archive/rpi-3.2.27.tar.gz[15:57]<flufmnstr> ....never mind. for some reason the pi doesnt like it, but my windows box does[15:58]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:58]* weltall (~weltall@planeshift/developer/weltall) Quit (Excess Flood)[16:01]* Opinie (~jay@pc-184-130.cable.aina.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:02]* weltall (~weltall@planeshift/developer/weltall) has joined #raspberrypi[16:04]* DeliriumTremens (~DT@reddit/operator/deliriumtremens) has joined #raspberrypi[16:05]* Cy-Gor (~Brian@cpe-70-124-70-140.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:07]<gordonDrogon> wish raspbian had git installed by default...[16:09]* user82_ (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[16:12]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28481.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: NIN101)[16:12]<netman87> i fish i had raspberries[16:12]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28481.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi[16:13]<netman87> anyway i think i may be islamic as i cant get myself to touch holy (gentoo) cow.[16:13]<gordonDrogon> Hm. I have a revision 'e' Pi. Revision : 000e[16:14]<gordonDrogon> Hindu's have holy cows.[16:14]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@c-67-188-110-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)[16:14]<gordonDrogon> Islam has an adversion to piggies.[16:14]<Shift_> that's 14, meaning rev 2, heh.[16:14]<netman87> and islams doesnt eat pigs?[16:14]<netman87> sorry my bad[16:14]<gordonDrogon> (Jews too)[16:14]<Dyskette> And vegetarians,[16:15]<gordonDrogon> I had fried pig for breakfast.[16:15]* Encrypt (~Chuck-nor@AMontsouris-553-1-112-35.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr) Quit (Quit: Quitte)[16:15]<Dyskette> Mmm, fried pig[16:15]<netman87> hindu did believe in reborn as something chooced by karma?[16:15]<Shift_> Tim Minchin's Pease Anthem for Palestine comes to mind[16:15]<Shift_> *peace[16:15]<gordonDrogon> Who knows. I don't do religion.[16:15]<Opinie> ayone actually ever wondered exactly when it became all right for christians to eat pig meat?[16:15]<Dyskette> Opinie: Paul's vision[16:15]<Shift_> Opinie, new testament[16:16]<gordonDrogon> probably when they moved out of a hot country where pig goes off quickly...[16:16]<Opinie> is it really mentioned?[16:16]<netman87> Opinie: when people did learn how to make fire?[16:16]<Dyskette> Opinie: there is a specific passage, yes.[16:16]<Opinie> Dyskette: oh, thanks..[16:17]<netman87> i see people that do much against what bible says but they still seem to "believe" in god[16:17]<netman87> or atleash when it comes to gays[16:17]<netman87> coz "bible deny gay marriages and its dirty"[16:17]<Shift_> Opinie, also, IIRC the whole not eating pork thing was a pact made with Jews and didn't apply to gentiles. Originally Christianity was 'targeted' at Jews, but went through many itirations and since Paul targetted gentiles the religion really took off, so the pork thing became less relevant.[16:17]<sphenxes> Yes, God has created raspberry :-).[16:17]<Shift_> That's my understanding anyway.[16:17]<Dyskette> Opinie: paul's letter to the galatians, and the consensus of the council of jerusalem in 49ad[16:18]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:18]<netman87> still i can see same people steal or be violent... or do whores[16:18]* nullmark (~mark@unserver.de) has joined #raspberrypi[16:18]<Opinie> Shift_ & Dyskette ok, thanks, I'll look into those[16:18]<Shift_> Bart Ehrman's Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew is a great book if you're actually interested in that sort of thing.[16:18]<Dyskette> netman87: the 'against the gays' bit that's most often quoted is in the same bit of leviticus as the 'don't eat shelfish thing' which kinda shows how relevant it ought to be[16:18]<mdik> it all is becoming relative since our industrial meat is contaminated with antibody-resistant bacteria. so who wants to eat that anyway?[16:19]<netman87> and atleasy they work at sunday and be jealousy to others[16:19]<Shift_> I only have a vague understanding of it all, so I am probably wrong.[16:19]<gordonDrogon> mdik, some of us buy meat from reputable producers - but I'm fortuante to live in a place where that's a common thing.[16:20]<gordonDrogon> I can buy directly off a lot of local farms too. a lot of them are organic which is a bonus.[16:20]<mdik> nice[16:20]<gordonDrogon> I also get unpasturised milk. very nice it is too.[16:20]<netman87> i did today thing little bit and i did figure out few things: movies must be created by satan because bible says its bad to call your god's name... and often in movies they have prayers... for dead or something[16:20]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) Quit (Quit: mrmoney2012)[16:20]<Opinie> Shift_: I might look into that.. I'm mainly interested in law, but this is sort of related to that you know.. even in religion you have all sorts of arguments as to, how to interpret and who gets to interpret and so on[16:20]<netman87> second one is that i think i will not be able to create anything with my programming for next 10000000 years[16:21]<netman87> and third one was that i should had buyed more milk :([16:22]<mdik> netman87: i can't program, too. but for that i am not able i do a lot with python[16:22]<rymate1234> I feel like making a webapp for controlling mpd[16:22]<Shift_> Opinie, I am currently reading the kindle version, but I am not too far into it. I am not into religion, but the history of it is quite interesting. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Christianities-Battles-Scripture-Faiths/dp/0195182499[16:22]<mdik> especially with the subprocess module, so i can, for example, convert a lot of FLAC files to mp3 for my mp3 player etc[16:22]<Opinie> Shift_: ok[16:23]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:23]<mdik> rymate1234: isn't there already one?[16:23]<mdik> (not that i would dare to stop you (; )[16:24]<netman87> mdik: for last 1 year i have made very few changes to sauerbraten source code... making server for that game run as background process and some little changes like change health of spawning players. and did copy one example code made for windows to work with linux... actually i did rewrite it... it reads serial data and draw opengl 3D model based on data from mpu6050 chip[16:24]* Aartsie (~aartsie@j233145.upc-j.chello.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[16:24]<Aartsie> hi all[16:25]<Aartsie> is it possible to get windows 8 on a pi ?[16:25]<Opinie> no[16:25]<netman87> but my plan was to create server management system that uses php+xhtml+css+mysql+modified server code[16:25]* DeliriumTremens (~DT@reddit/operator/deliriumtremens) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:26]<Shift_> Aartsie, that's more of a ##windows question. The short answer is no.[16:26]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) has joined #raspberrypi[16:26]<Aartsie> ok[16:26]<rymate1234> mdik, probably.... but that's too easy[16:26]<rymate1234> ![16:27]* DeliriumTremens (~DT@reddit/operator/deliriumtremens) has joined #raspberrypi[16:27]<netman87> Aartsie: and yes you can run any windows with raspberry pi[16:27]<Opinie> Aartsie: may be worth looking into some sort of a thin client solution, but not sure something like that would work either[16:27]<netman87> you just need to emulate whole system so opening paint will take like 1 year[16:27]<Shift_> netman87, that's not most peoples' definition of 'run'[16:28]<netman87> oh but i is[16:28]<netman87> and its good answer to give people that are too lazy to read anything about hardware and/or software[16:28]* mvk (54543f86@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.84.63.134) has joined #raspberrypi[16:29]<mvk> hi guys, after installing raspbian weezy, i perform apt-get install openvpn[16:29]<Opinie> netman87: the mentality here has been a little more helpful than that[16:29]<mvk> but i end up with a single file in my /etc/openvpn[16:29]<netman87> http://google.com/search?q=does+raspberry+pi+support+windows[16:29]<mvk> update-resolve-conf[16:29]<Shift_> yeah, I am not a fan of those sort of answers, but meh.[16:30]<netman87> anyway problem is that raspberry pi have older cpu[16:30]<Dyskette> Aartsie: long story short: no.[16:30]<mvk> is my openvpn package broken?[16:30]<netman87> and wasnt there something about microsoft doesnt support all devices supported by hardware[16:31]<netman87> also main versions of windows are made for 386,486,686,amd64 and so on[16:32]<netman87> i think windows 3.1 and older are for 286 and older[16:32]* Saiban (~Preferabl@unaffiliated/songun) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[16:32]* earl2 (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #raspberrypi[16:32]<Opinie> err.. someone does seem to have windows 7 running a pi via Vmware View, Aartsie[16:33]<netman87> dunno if aartsie did mean windows 8 arm version or not[16:33]<earl2> hi everyone.[16:33]<Dyskette> netman87: it doesn't matter. The answer is still 'no;[16:33]<mdik> netman87: don't be hard on yourself. sauerbraten hacking ftw![16:33]<netman87> mdik: hehe. wanna take duel?[16:34]* dj_pi (~asd@c-107-5-25-243.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:34]<Opinie> Aartsie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok5sKzlH8es[16:34]<mdik> netman87: i quit long time ago[16:34]<netman87> they did publish new version[16:34]<Aartsie> netman87: yes the arm version[16:35]* ukgamer|away is now known as ukgamer[16:35]<Dyskette> Aartsie: answer is still 'no' - you can't get it to run[16:36]<Opinie> Aartsie: I think that video is probably an example of the sort of thin client system I would have suggested[16:36]<Shift_> A redmond guy said he'd see what he can do.[16:36]<Dyskette> Aartsie: requires a more recent version of ARM than the rpi, and requires specific support from Microsoft (which won't happen)[16:36]<netman87> Aartsie: i think i did read something that even ARM version need to be done for device itself.. and you cant just get windows 8 if device/manufactor doesnt have it available[16:36]<Shift_> ... a while ago... no word from him yet.[16:37]<netman87> Dyskette: oh thanks. had problem remembering right words[16:37]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) Quit (Quit: mrmoney2012)[16:37]<mdik> would it be rude to ask why someone would want to run windows on a rpi?[16:38]<steve_rox> haha[16:38]<netman87> mdik: would it be rude to run windows in rpi in first place?[16:38]<steve_rox> the chains of oppression in the os form[16:38]<Shift_> For call of duty 'course[16:38]<TAFB_zzz> lol, windows 3.11 might run on it :)[16:38]* TAFB_zzz is now known as TAFB[16:38]<Armand> Haha[16:38]<mvk> buy an xbox kids...[16:38]<netman87> windows 3.11 need 386[16:38]<Dyskette> TAFB: it does. In dosbox[16:39]<TAFB> Pi cam#2 up and workin sweet: http://tafb02.click2stream.com[16:39]<mvk> or play some oldschool MAME/N64 on your Raspberry (professional gaming)[16:39]<steve_rox> ive seen 3.1 on it thu emulation[16:39]<mvk> :P[16:39]* Opinie (~jay@pc-184-130.cable.aina.net) Quit (Quit: leaving)[16:39]* i42n (~i42n@dslb-188-104-207-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Quit: afk.)[16:39]<mvk> probably with bochs/qemu emulation[16:39]<double-you> TAFB: nice[16:40]* nils_2_rpi (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[16:40]<double-you> high fps[16:40]<netman87> anyway i think "larry suite" on rpi could be real gaming ;P[16:40]<mvk> :D[16:40]* Holden (~holden@unaffiliated/holdenc) has left #raspberrypi[16:40]<mvk> does anyone know when to expect sd-card problems with 1ghz overclock?[16:41]<netman87> Leisure Suit Larry 7: Love for Sail! (1996)[16:41]<TAFB> double-you: thanks :) it's using crtmpserver on the Pi, runs flawless as you can see :) spits out RTMP flash compatible h264 and works with flow player, etc :)[16:41]<Shift_> i beleive leisure suit larry (vga) runs on scummvm, so you'd get some very decent performance as well.[16:41]<mvk> i have a class-10 card, of 16gb, band keep it on 900mhz.. but would it harm to go 1ghz?[16:41]<mvk> i dont wanna destroy my configuration[16:41]<Aartsie> TAFB: is that your pi ?[16:41]<TAFB> mvk: back it up over the network :)[16:41]<TAFB> Aartsie: is what my Pi?? lol.[16:41]<mvk> TAFB: i can do that.. but when can i expect SD-card problems.. ?[16:42]<TAFB> mvk: when you over volt usually[16:42]<double-you> TAFB: now you can start billard live streams :D[16:42]<Aartsie> so why do you guys love the pi with all that limitations[16:42]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) has joined #raspberrypi[16:42]<mvk> TAFB: but thats what you do when you go 1ghz[16:42]<Dyskette> Shift_: the first six do, LSL7 does not work with scummvm[16:42]<double-you> *pool[16:42]<Armand> Aartsie, what limitations?[16:42]<TAFB> double-you: as soon as my dad saw the camera feed he was like "hey, can you live stream our games?!" so now I gotta set something up for him! lol[16:42]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:42]<Torikun> I had filesystem coruption issues on 1 PI at 1ghz[16:42]* GenTAR (~GenTAR@46.246.28.43) has joined #raspberrypi[16:43]<Shift_> Dyskette, yeah, it's a shame too, since love for sail was pretty decent.[16:43]<Aartsie> there is just 1 os for it[16:43]<double-you> TAFB: hehehehe[16:43]<mrmoney2012> hey guys - any advmame users on here.. lots of fun ![16:43]<Dyskette> Shift_: not really my kinda thing ot begin with, to be honest :P[16:43]<Armand> Aartsie, as much as I love assumptions.. you need to do a little research ;)[16:43]<netman87> Aartsie: you just wont understand. rpi is really powerful device, its just about usage.[16:44]<Shift_> Dyskette, heh, I have a lot of nostalgia associated with the larry games.[16:44]<Dyskette> Aartsie: there is certainly more than one OS for it. Various flavours of linux, RiscOS, and BSDs on their way.[16:44]<Dyskette> Shift_: perfectly understandable - I am a big fan of the point'n'click genre[16:45]<netman87> Aartsie: also there is not only one OS for it. also its not something to run your desktop. its best for projects. i know one finnish guy that have RPi in his quadrocopter for webcam streaming, www based controls, logging and so on.[16:45]<TAFB> i'll have to see if Commander Keen will run :) loved those games![16:45]<double-you> but larry was too difficult when you had to write special verbs[16:45]<Shift_> Dyskette, ah, DOTT and monkey island games still my favourite =D[16:45]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:45]<Aartsie> i received my pi but don't know what to do with it, i thought i can installen ubuntu ARM or some other desktop os[16:45]* nils_2_rpi (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:45]<TAFB> Aartsie: it's not good to run as a desktop computer, more for server and funky type tasks[16:45]<Dyskette> Shift_: DOTT is indeed the best thing ever![16:46]<netzvieh> signed @dort[16:46]<Dyskette> Shift_: and yeah, monkey island (especially 2) was a huge part of my earlyish childhood[16:46]<netzvieh> *dott[16:46]<netman87> Aartsie: so you just was too lazy to read about it and did buy it without thinking? only problem i had with RPi was that there was no enough ram or X acceleration. now there is version with double amount of ram but im not sure if there is X accel yet.[16:46]<mdik> Aartsie: Raspian is pretty similar to ubuntu[16:47]<Armand> Aartsie, I'm using mine as a headless webhost, so.. no desktop woes for me. :P[16:47]<Torikun> i sene pics of raspian, llooked nice[16:47]* Torikun installing gentoo on pi[16:47]<TAFB> ohhhh new arch kernel for kirkwood out :)[16:47]<Torikun> lol[16:47]<Torikun> be careful[16:47]<TAFB> hahaha[16:47]<Torikun> TAFB I exclude the kernel[16:47]<Torikun> and I can upgrade fine in /etc/pacman.conf[16:47]<Armand> I would like to do an LFS, but I don't think Pi will be a target for me.[16:47]<netman87> but anyways if you thinkg running desktop of any kind in RPi you are probably wrong[16:47]<TAFB> Torikun: my /boot is ext3, no worries for me![16:47]<Torikun> hahahah[16:47]<Aartsie> i only need an Internet browser so we can open our business dashboard with stats[16:47]<mdik> Aartsie: you can download it from raspberrypi.org/downloads. it comes fully configured with desktop etc[16:48]<mdik> Aartsie: that's preinstalled for sure[16:48]<mrmoney2012> have they shifted 1,000,000 pi's yet ?[16:48]<TAFB> Aartsie: beacuse they don't have GPU accelleration for xwindows working 100% yet, any web browser on the Pi just murders the CPU.[16:48]<Armand> TAFB, ext4. :)[16:48]<mrmoney2012> sorry about the pi's but pis just sounds a bit wrong[16:49]<Shift_> That's a lie, elinks works fine =D[16:49]<Armand> +s :P[16:49]<Mortvert> i hope that browsers will get gpu accel soon[16:49]<mdik> TAFB: but there is midori, isn't it a web breowser?[16:49]<Armand> mrmoney2012, try 'rPis' instead. ;)[16:49]<TAFB> Armand: My root FS is ext4 :) http://tafb.yi.org[16:49]<netman87> Aartsie: do you need to see pictures from web page? animations? if you just want to use it for statistics... maybe little script and links2 could help :)[16:49]<Torikun> I use chrome over ssh on my pi[16:49]<mrmoney2012> better[16:49]<TAFB> Torikun: Pacman updated php and php-fpm! AHHHH! lol.[16:49]<Torikun> lol[16:50]<Torikun> it dont change settings[16:50]<TAFB> that's good ;)[16:50]<Aartsie> netman87: Only some statics graphics[16:50]<Armand> I need to look at a different method for hosting my blog/forum.. Drupal isn't really to my liking anymore. :/[16:51]<Torikun> Armand: I use drupal[16:51]<TAFB> Armand: are you hosting drupal on the Pi??[16:51]<Torikun> it is better with load balacning with 2 pis[16:51]<Armand> TAFB, Yes.[16:51]* lars_t_h (~lars_t_h@002128238085.mbb.telenor.dk) has joined #raspberrypi[16:51]<TAFB> Armand: yikes ;)[16:51]<Torikun> Armand: I am doing that also[16:51]<netman87> Aartsie: links2 support FB for graphics modes and it can show normal pictures. i think it even had support for little bit of javascript so you should be able to make it show webpage with normal pictures without much style files or else and javascript to make it refresh every 10 seconds or so[16:51]<bebraw> wow[16:51]<Armand> I'm stuck.. as I really don't know PHP at all. :P[16:51]<Torikun> I have the DB on 1 PI and have nginx setup to loadbalance[16:51]<Torikun> drupal runs much faster[16:52]<Torikun> and have the files locaed on each pi[16:52]<Armand> When I (finally) expand.. I'll run all my DBs on one server.[16:52]<Aartsie> ghehe our hole dashboard works on javascript and node.js[16:52]<Armand> I have a Q6600 in waiting.[16:52]<TAFB> Armand: if you switch to Wordpress with nginx, use this caching plugin and it will just FLY on your Pi: http://www.toddlahman.com/shop/cachengin-wordpress-cache-plugin-for-nginx/[16:52]<netman87> i want another RPi... i wanna write some openCL code for automations[16:52]<Armand> I'll see what my PHP guy thinks.. ;)[16:52]<nid0> http://www.ratherdisturbing.co.uk < wordpress on my pi's[16:52]<TAFB> Armand: sounds good :)[16:53]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:53]<Torikun> http://www.linux-toys.com Drupal on my pi[16:53]<TAFB> nid0: runs nice, using cache?[16:53]<netman87> i have vps in 1gbps connection for server stuff... so i wont be using RPi for that purpose :/[16:53]<nid0> TAFB: to a ridiculous extent[16:53]<TAFB> nid0: thought so! haha[16:54]* earl2 (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:54]<nid0> php is running with apc, wordpress itself is caching everything to apc via w3 total cache, sql is running on a second pi with a large sql query cache, and then all wordpress files themselves on the first pi are stored on a ramdisk[16:54]<TAFB> hahaha! wow. What it takes to make it fast. lol.[16:55]<nid0> i'm pleased with the results though[16:55]<nid0> http://loadimpact.com/load-test/www.ratherdisturbing.co.uk-69a91f80ab888e2facb896b957b638be[16:55]<Torikun> nice[16:55]<nid0> load tested to 50 users, <500ms response times[16:55]* earl2 (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #raspberrypi[16:55]<mdik> is there a good way to get rid of all the X overhead, when I just want to run a headless system?[16:55]<Armand> Well, I want each Pi to run as an individual webhost.. I'm thinking they could all use the same MySQL server?[16:55]<Torikun> install arch[16:55]<Torikun> lol[16:55]<mdik> what to aptitude purge?[16:55]<nid0> Armand: yes[16:56]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) has joined #raspberrypi[16:56]<earl2> hi, anyone in europe (or not too far) interested in a job like this one: https://www.elance.com/j/assemble-simple-prototype-parts-listed-below/36976159/[16:56]<TAFB> nid0: wow nice, 849 pages per second! smokin for wordpress/php :)[16:56]<Torikun> Armand: have a dedicated pi for all database like we do[16:56]<earl2> I thought I would also post it here.[16:56]<Armand> nid0, I have a Q6600.. I'm thinking that will serve as my gateway (reverse proxy?), DB server and cache?[16:56]<PhotoJim> mdik: the overhead is just space on the SD card. probably easier to spend an extra dollar on a larger SD card than it is to purge all the X stuff, but it is possible to remove it.[16:56]<earl2> feel free to pm me and chat right away[16:56]<TAFB> earl2: no hacker spaces around you?[16:56]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:57]<earl2> not really, no. There is one, but it is just nascent.[16:57]<nid0> Armand: yeah that'd do more than nicely for a medium-use setup, assuming it has a decent amount of ram[16:57]<Armand> It will have.. eventually. 2GB to start out.[16:57]<TAFB> earl2: ahhh. good luck on your project :) I just ordered a few ADC's (to measure voltage and current draw) for my solar powered Pi project, I sure hope I can figure it all out ;)[16:57]<nid0> a general fix-all for performance is basically to throw gobs of memory at mysql's query and innodb cache, and to a php opcode cache such as apc[16:58]<mdik> PhotoJim: yeahyeah, i know. it's not the memory just the time which will be needed to fetch and the set up all the unused packages when updating[16:58]<PhotoJim> mdik: unless you're on a really slow broadband or dialup connection, it's not a huge issue. I find it takes about two or three minutes a week to keep my Pis updated.[16:58]<Armand> nid0, it's a lot to figure out (as I'm still learning) and I only have 1 rPi.. I don't have the gateway machine built yet.[16:58]<earl2> TAFB :)[16:59]<netman87> nid0 apc?[16:59]<earl2> if it's solar powered maybe you should think of an arduino, since that draws way (way) less power[16:59]* redarrow_ (~quassel@unaffiliated/redarrow) Quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[16:59]<Armand> Solaaarr!![16:59]<Armand> :D[16:59]<PhotoJim> mdik: if you do some googling you shoudl be able to find the single package to delete to cause all the other X stuff to be removed. Seems to me Ubuntu is "ubuntu-desktop". Debian probably has a similar meta-package that installs all the core X stuff.[16:59]<TAFB> earl2: I have a pretty monster solar array and battery pack, I'll see how it does. If it draws too much I'll get the new "A" Pi, only draws 100ma! :)[17:00]<PhotoJim> mdik: and so, therefore, should Raspbian.[17:00]* |Jeroen| (~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[17:00]<earl2> ok. also (and this might go without saying) be careful not to accidentally kill yourself[17:00]<PhotoJim> mdik: make an image of your SD card first, in case you cause harm. :)[17:00]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:00]* gko (~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:00]<TAFB> earl2: my solar array and battery pack are both 5v, so I'm not too worried ;)[17:01]* redarrow (~quassel@unaffiliated/redarrow) has joined #raspberrypi[17:01]<Torikun> I keep getting kicked out of ssh on my new pi[17:01]<Torikun> I bet it is faulty[17:01]<earl2> 5v can still kill you...slowly[17:01]<netman87> Torikun: keepactive[17:01]<TAFB> Torikun: you might get to cook it in the oven! :)[17:02]<Torikun> lol[17:02]<netman87> keepalive*[17:02]<Armand> TAFB, wanna donate to my project?? ;)[17:02]<Torikun> its the same image from my other 2 pi's[17:02]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) Quit (Quit: mrmoney2012)[17:02]<Torikun> ssh: connect to host rusher3 port 22: Connection refused[17:02]<mdik> http://pastie.org/5726218 so far[17:02]<TAFB> Armand: what is the project? got it on kickstarter? I donate to ish on there all the time :)[17:02]<Torikun> ok now it back[17:03]<Torikun> this keeps happening[17:03]<PhotoJim> Torikun: is your Pi on a wired or WiFi connection to your network?[17:03]<nid0> netman87: apc = an opcode cache for php, it caches the compiled output of php scripts so they dont have to be recompiled from scratch for every execution[17:03]* ChanServ sets mode +o Shift_[17:03]<Torikun> wires PhotoJim[17:03]* GenTAR (~GenTAR@46.246.28.43) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[17:03]<Armand> TAFB, I'm not sure it qualifies for Kickstarter..[17:03]<PhotoJim> Torikun: might be as simple as a flakey Ethernet cable.[17:03]<Torikun> ah true[17:03]* Shift_ is now known as shiftplusone[17:04]<PhotoJim> Torikun: easy to try. I'd start there.[17:04]* GenTAR (~GenTAR@46.246.28.43) has joined #raspberrypi[17:04]<Torikun> probably[17:04]<Armand> TAFB, PM ok?[17:04]<Torikun> i got one from work[17:04]<Torikun> who knows[17:04]<Torikun> lol[17:04]<PhotoJim> Try another, even if it's too long. If it works, you know what to do.[17:04]<TAFB> Armand: sure[17:04]<Torikun> PhotoJim: but why would it say connection refused ?[17:05]<PhotoJim> Oh, connection refused shouldn't be a bad Ethernet cable.[17:05]<Torikun> could it be the usb stick plugged in it?[17:05]<PhotoJim> Usually it's because of a blacklisted client trying to connect. presumably you haven't blacklisted yourself. :)[17:05]<Torikun> maybe too much power[17:05]* i42n (~i42n@dslb-188-104-207-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:05]<PhotoJim> Torikun: Oh, possible. Doesn't sound like it. But possible. Do you have a powered USB hub you could try plugging that device into?[17:05]<Torikun> no[17:06]<PhotoJim> Torikun: or can you use the Pi without that device temporarily?[17:06]<Torikun> Yeah will try that[17:06]<Torikun> i ned to copy the last boot files so I can remove it[17:06]<Torikun> but I keep getting dc[17:06]<Torikun> lol[17:06]<PhotoJim> you could always hook up the Pi to a TV/monitor with HDMI and configure it there.[17:06]<Torikun> yeah[17:06]<netman87> nid0: hmm cool. how about your web server? which one do you use?[17:07]<Torikun> i am syncing from laptop to pi[17:07]<Torikun> lol[17:07]* Armand is now known as Armand|AFK[17:08]* felipealmeida (~user@mvx-187-16-79-187.mundivox.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[17:08]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:09]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) has joined #raspberrypi[17:09]* mrcan (~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan) has joined #raspberrypi[17:10]* mervaka (~mervaka@mervaka.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[17:11]* Patteh (~BOB@unaffiliated/patteh) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:11]* bortzmeyer (~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:cd86:ac88:a587:13a9) has joined #raspberrypi[17:11]* Somelauw (~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8)[17:12]<nid0> netman87: I use apache for it. I know nginx and lighttpd are all the rage for pi's but their main big performance benefit really over apache is serving static content, when running php content, you may just as well use apache imo[17:13]<rymate1234> pancakehttp is pretty fast[17:13]* i42n (~i42n@dslb-188-104-207-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[17:14]* weltall (~weltall@planeshift/developer/weltall) Quit (Excess Flood)[17:14]<TAFB> I love pancake :)[17:14]<TAFB> but I needed to do port proxy, and it doesn't support that :([17:14]<TAFB> but nginx does :)[17:15]* i42n (~i42n@dslb-188-104-207-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:16]<|Jeroen|> yeah pancake is easy to[17:17]* weltall (~weltall@planeshift/developer/weltall) has joined #raspberrypi[17:19]* KindOne (KindOne@colchester-lug/silly-fool/donut) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:20]* smw (~smw@unaffiliated/smw) has joined #raspberrypi[17:24]* timewa1ker (~timewalke@h-144-204.a176.priv.bahnhof.se) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:27]* Armand|AFK is now known as Armand[17:28]<Armand> nid0, I'm running lighttpd for mine.. and, it doesn't seem to be any worse for it.[17:28]* hadifarnoud (~hadifarno@cpc5-glfd6-2-0-cust61.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:29]* fiftyonefifty (~fiftyonef@206.248.12.222) has joined #raspberrypi[17:29]* chep (~chep@116.9.9.93.rev.sfr.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:30]* timewa1ker (~timewalke@h-144-204.a176.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #raspberrypi[17:31]* KindOne (KindOne@colchester-lug/silly-fool/donut) has joined #raspberrypi[17:31]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[17:34]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.linux-toys.com)[17:37]* RagBal (~RagBal@541F370E.cm-5-8a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[17:38]* Rootert (~Rootert@541F370E.cm-5-8a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[17:39]* Cembo (~hardcoreB@unaffiliated/cembo) has joined #raspberrypi[17:45]* Zitter (~danilo@host140-178-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #raspberrypi[17:46]<Zitter> hi, anyone can suggest me a working minimal debian image for RPI? I've tried a couple but they don't work for me :([17:46]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:46]* earl2 (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:46]<gordonDrogon> Raspbian.[17:46]<gordonDrogon> then strip-out what you don't need.[17:48]<rymate1234> Hey[17:48]<rymate1234> With retroarch[17:48]<Zitter> ok, maybe it is the right solution[17:48]<rymate1234> How do I disable arch?[17:48]<rymate1234> *sound[17:48]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:49]<Dyskette> Zitter: there's the Hexxeh raspbian image, which is more minimal than the foundation one[17:49]<rymate1234> Or is there a fix to sound crashing the rip[17:49]<Torikun> any gentoo users?[17:49]<rymate1234> *rpi[17:49]<Zitter> anyway, I would like to isntall wheezy one, not raspbian[17:49]<shiftplusone> Torikun, on pi or in general?[17:50]* earl2 (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #raspberrypi[17:50]<Torikun> I installed gentoo on the pi and booted for the first time but can not ssh in. connection refused. I enabled the service[17:50]* kkimlabs (~kkimlabs@c-67-188-1-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[17:50]<shiftplusone> enabled and started?[17:50]<Torikun> yup[17:50]<shiftplusone> hm[17:51]<Torikun> reverifying[17:51]<shiftplusone> maybe ps aux to check[17:51]<Torikun> ah says eth0 does not exist[17:51]<shiftplusone> ah... you'd want that.[17:51]<Torikun> dont see ssh[17:51]<Torikun> I followed the guide, how can it complain[17:52]* viperfx (~tharshan@cpc1-cmbg14-2-0-cust198.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[17:52]<shiftplusone> compiled your own kernel?[17:52]<Torikun> i have no keyboard to do this lol[17:52]<Torikun> no[17:52]<rymate1234> Gmail[17:52]<rymate1234> Meh[17:52]<Torikun> i can ping lol[17:52]<rymate1234> go[17:52]* GenTAR (~GenTAR@46.246.28.43) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:52]* DeliriumTremens (~DT@reddit/operator/deliriumtremens) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:52]<shiftplusone> you can ping, but eth0 doesn't exist? O_o[17:52]<rymate1234> Godddamit Utocorrect[17:52]<Torikun> eth0 does not exist[17:52]<Torikun> wtf[17:53]<shiftplusone> are you a wizard?[17:53]<Mortvert> you sure?[17:53]<Mortvert> ifconfig[17:53]<Torikun> i need to do it from a chroot on another pi[17:54]<shiftplusone> then you will inherit the host's devices and kernel and ifconfig will tell you nothing interesting..... O_o[17:54]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[17:54]<Torikun> hmmm mwhat to do lol[17:56]<rymate1234> Well, fixed the sound making the pi unusable unless via sash[17:56]<netman87> i think that apache is very heavy when compared to lighttp even if its PHP use[17:57]* bebraw (~bebraw@codegrove.org) has left #raspberrypi[17:57]* satellit (~satellit@bbb72-0-185-15.bendbroadband.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:59]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[18:00]* satellit (~satellit@bbb72-0-185-15.bendbroadband.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:01]* satellit_e (~satellit@bc110122.bendcable.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:04]* Xtrato (~2600Hertz@host86-158-161-84.range86-158.btcentralplus.com) Quit ()[18:06]<mdik> before i dig into all the possibilities: when i want to serve rails-app. can i do this with lighttpd, too, or would i need apache?[18:06]<mdik> (despite teh possibility of using the ruby webserver)[18:07]* nils_2 is now known as nils_2_rpi[18:07]* DeliriumTremens (~DT@reddit/operator/deliriumtremens) has joined #raspberrypi[18:08]* akk (~akkana@adsl-69-105-235-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:09]<companion> how long does it usually take to get your premium codec licenses?[18:09]<companion> and are they delivered in weekends aswel?[18:12]* Schnabeltier (~Schnabelt@dslb-188-108-106-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:14]* mdik (~mdik@brln-4d0c7ad2.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Quit: leaving)[18:15]* Zitter (~danilo@host140-178-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[18:16]<Schnabeltier> Good evening Folks. I'd like to setup my Pi as an A2DP sound receiver but can't find a suitable tutorial. Can anyone help me?[18:17]<Schnabeltier> My bluetooth dongle is already working. blueman finds my smartphone and the phone is listed under trusted devices. now i want to stream a song to the pi but dont know how.[18:18]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[18:23]* Gordio (~Gordio@46.211.120.180) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:23]<mvk> build-dh 2048 is taking a llooooooooong time[18:23]<mvk> how long on a rasp?[18:25]* DeliriumTremens (~DT@reddit/operator/deliriumtremens) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:26]<netzvieh> mvk: ages..[18:28]* CaNsA (CaNsA@cpc3-live19-2-0-cust937.know.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ))[18:28]<user82> is the analog audio a simple digital PWM or real analog?[18:29]<gordonDrogon> user82, the 3.5mm jack is digital PWM[18:29]<user82> thx[18:29]<gordonDrogon> I'm really not sure how it generates sound over HDMI.[18:30]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) Quit (Quit: mrmoney2012)[18:30]<user82> is that the job ob linux/soundserver to control the PWM?[18:32]* satellit_e (~satellit@bc110122.bendcable.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[18:32]<mvk> netzvieh: i might use my other *nix systems to build that then[18:33]* pinion (~Adium@99-13-236-73.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:34]* [t0R] (~tor@c-67ace455.59-1164-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #raspberrypi[18:34]<gordonDrogon> user82, the details behind Linux sound remain a mistery to me.[18:34]* DeliriumTremens (~DT@reddit/operator/deliriumtremens) has joined #raspberrypi[18:34]<user82> gordonDrogon quite possible....but if it really drives the pwm it could stress the cpu a little[18:37]* mvk (54543f86@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.84.63.134) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:39]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.linux-toys.com)[18:40]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:41]* imark (~mark@client-80-0-212-163.bkl-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:41]* earl2 (~prjkt@catv-178-48-114-143.catv.broadband.hu) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[18:42]* kripton is now known as Kripton[18:46]* pksato (~PEBKAC@unaffiliated/pksato) has joined #raspberrypi[18:47]* mpmc|Away is now known as mpmc[18:47]* timewa1ker (~timewalke@h-144-204.a176.priv.bahnhof.se) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:48]* timewa1ker (~timewalke@h-144-204.a176.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #raspberrypi[18:50]* ciboulette (~vpqr@gateway/tor-sasl/ciboulette) has joined #raspberrypi[18:50]<ciboulette> the keyboard isn't working when i boot the RPi, any ideas why not?[18:51]* imark (~mark@client-80-0-212-163.bkl-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[18:51]* TeraX (TeraX@terax.daimon.ipv6.bluesahar.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:53]* libc (~evany@pool-71-254-7-202.burl.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:55]<NullMoogleCable> I have a felling that installing full gnome with all the bells and whistles was a bad idea for my pi[18:55]<NullMoogleCable> *feeling[18:56]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.linux-toys.com)[18:56]<akk> Depends on how much patience you have, I guess.[18:56]<libc> if it was gnome 3, then probably yes[18:57]* nils_2_rpi is now known as nils_2[18:57]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:57]<herdingcat> hi, I gonna compile openmpi in my x86_64 system for arm target platform. And I encounter following error for ./configure: http://fpaste.org/TcVS/[18:58]* imark (~mark@client-80-0-212-163.bkl-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:00]* pinion (~Adium@99-13-236-73.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[19:00]* mrbrdo (~mrbrdo@93-103-55-150.dynamic.t-2.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:01]<akk> herdingcat: I don't know anything about openmpi, but does it leave a config.log? A log would at least show the specific command that failed.[19:01]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:01]<mrbrdo> hey guys. I am installing Raspbian on my raspberry onto a USB drive. When I come to installing base system (in the menu), I get an error that it failed. In the log it says "umount: can't umount /target/dev: Device or resource busy". Any ideas?[19:02]<mrbrdo> I went into a terminal and ls -al /target, which doesn't show anything, but the dev directory IS there, because ls -al /target/dev shows output (it seems same as /dev, it has dev files in it)[19:02]<mrbrdo> I tried umount -f /target/dev in term but I get the same error[19:02]<libc> are you cd'd into the folder?[19:03]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[19:03]<mrbrdo> which one?[19:03]<azk> target/dev[19:03]<libc> the one you're trying to unmount[19:03]<mrbrdo> all paths I used are absolute[19:03]<mrbrdo> why would it matter if I'm cded into it.. I am though, yeah[19:03]<libc> what's the device you're mounting and where is it mounted[19:03]* Neqoxec (~duke@184.20.74.77) has joined #raspberrypi[19:03]<mrbrdo> the USB drive?[19:03]<libc> yes[19:04]<mrbrdo> I'm not actually sure what exactly is mounted at /target/dev[19:04]<mrbrdo> it's tmpfs[19:04]<skope> mrbrdo: it matters usually[19:04]<mrbrdo> says mtab[19:04]<skope> it's busy because you're 'in it'[19:04]<mrbrdo> so tmpfs is mounted into /target/dev[19:04]<mrbrdo> skope: I wasn't at first, only when I started debugging it[19:04]<mrbrdo> skope: and I'm in /target not in /target/dev[19:05]* dreamon__ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:05]<mrbrdo> my usb drive seems to be mounted into /target, and tmpfs into /target/dev[19:05]* roe1and (56a298f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.162.152.244) has joined #raspberrypi[19:05]* nils_2 is now known as w8rabbit[19:05]<mrbrdo> and df shows that all the partitions still have enough free space so that shouldn't be a problem[19:06]<libc> cd into your home directory then run[19:06]<libc> umount /target[19:06]<mrbrdo> but I don't want to umount that though[19:06]<nid0> lsof /target/dev with lsof installed should show you whats using it[19:06]* Kripton is now known as kripton[19:07]<mrbrdo> it's having problems with /target/dev not /target[19:07]<mrbrdo> thanks nid0 i'll try[19:07]<mrbrdo> it doesn't seem lsof is present on this basic installer[19:07]<libc> then replace /target with /target/dev in the explanation I gave above[19:07]<mrbrdo> libc I already did that -_-[19:07]<libc> ok, just checking[19:08]* w8rabbit is now known as nils_2[19:08]<mrbrdo> nid0: lsof: not found :)[19:08]<nid0> hence the hint about installing it :)[19:08]<mrbrdo> oh missed that[19:08]<mrbrdo> should I just apt-get it?[19:08]<nid0> yep[19:08]<mrbrdo> hm apt-get not found[19:09]<UnaClocker> heh[19:09]<mrbrdo> there is apt-install in /bin[19:09]<nid0> you got something wrong there then[19:09]<UnaClocker> Not running debian...[19:09]<mrbrdo> dunno what could be wrong though[19:09]* Eliatrope (~speckius@212.113.107.78) has joined #raspberrypi[19:09]<mrbrdo> UnaClocker: I'm running the raspbian installer[19:09]<libc> specify the absolute path[19:10]<libc> wait I read that wrong[19:10]<mrbrdo> hm apt-install seems to output a lot of blank lines or something, I just get the prompt again at the bottom of the screen and nothing above it if I run apt-install[19:11]<nid0> tbh I cant say i've actually used the raspbian installer, so dunno whats there and whats not[19:11]* dero (~dero@p548B46D2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:11]<nid0> any particular reason you're using the installer?[19:12]<skope> just push it to the sd card. easier[19:12]<mrbrdo> skope: my SD card is 32 MB, I want to install on my USB[19:12]<mrbrdo> but if I can do this also like you said, then I'm happy to do it[19:12]<libc> you can[19:12]<mrbrdo> can I put the image on the usb, and the installer on the SD and modify that .txt file to point to usb?[19:13]<libc> if you put the image on the USB you won't need the installer[19:13]<libc> what OS are you on now?[19:13]<mrbrdo> osx[19:14]<mrbrdo> do I need to use the soft-float version if I want to use java?[19:14]<UnaClocker> Pretty easy to put the img onto an SD in OSX..[19:14]<UnaClocker> mrbrdo: No.[19:14]<UnaClocker> I run Arduino and LibreOffice fine on hard float.[19:14]<mrbrdo> UnaClocker: not onto SD, onto USB[19:15]<UnaClocker> You can't boot a Pi from USB.[19:15]<mrbrdo> I can put the boot files onto SD[19:15]<mrbrdo> but the system itself I can't since it's only 32 MB[19:15]<mrbrdo> if I read correctly it's enough to only have to bootloader on SD[19:16]<mrbrdo> should I just dd the raspbian image onto the usb drive?[19:16]<mjr> that is one way to do it[19:16]<mjr> and yes, it's enough[19:17]<skope> easier to just buy bigger sd card?[19:17]<skope> they cost nothing nowadays[19:17]<mrbrdo> okay will be able to try in about 6 min[19:17]<UnaClocker> You should just get a $8 8gb SD Card and stop the sadomachism..[19:17]<mrbrdo> skope: well yeah if I could buy it right now I would[19:17]<libc> UnaClocker: you can't?[19:17]<mrbrdo> just don't want to wait :)[19:17]<libc> UnaClocker: I guess that makes sense[19:17]<skope> mrbrdo: isn't there any stores open?[19:18]<mrbrdo> skope: don't think so since it's saturday[19:18]<mrbrdo> but even if, don't have time right now to go there[19:18]<mrbrdo> should work with USB aswell anyway[19:18]<skope> and you have time to struggle with usb+sd-card?[19:18]<skope> but suit yourself. i wouldn't bang my head with that[19:19]<mrbrdo> anyway I will be able to try soon, will let you know[19:19]<nid0> honestly, wheres the struggle. put /boot on sd, everything else on usb, and set /boot.cmdline.txt to boot to usb[19:19]<libc> mrbrdo: not if the BIOS doesn't allow it[19:19]<nid0> what he wants to do isnt at all complicated[19:19]<mrbrdo> yeah that's what I was thinking also nid0, thanks[19:19]<mjr> yeah it's not exactly a big strugge[19:19]<mjr> le[19:22]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) Quit (Quit: mrmoney2012)[19:22]<mrbrdo> is it ext3 or ext4?[19:22]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:23]<mrbrdo> I mean, I have to set something for rootfstype in cmdline.txt[19:23]<mjr> umm, it's the same as it's on the card image's cmdline.txt? ;)[19:23]<mrbrdo> cool then ext4[19:26]* imark (~mark@client-80-0-212-163.bkl-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:27]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-rc3)[19:28]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:33]* fayimora (~fayimora@host86-160-40-15.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: fayimora)[19:34]* Neqoxec (~duke@184.20.74.77) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)[19:35]* fayimora (~fayimora@host86-160-40-15.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:39]* dreamon__ 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it's been over 45 minutes already[20:13]<nid0> TAFB: not bad :)[20:13]* herdingcat is now known as herdingcat|zzz[20:14]* herdingcat|zzz is now known as herdingcat[20:14]<TAFB> nid0: thanks :) I must have a horrible connection to Austrailia, it says it takes 2 seconds for just one request/page load :) lol. When I run my own web tests stealing my neighbours internet connection it loads in .0021 seconds :)[20:14]<Hopsy> someone fimilar with hostapd?[20:15]<Hopsy> I cant find my AP[20:15]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:15]* mrmoney2012 (~mrmoney20@5e061dfb.bb.sky.com) Quit (Client Quit)[20:15]<Hopsy> I tried to make one[20:15]* teepee (~quassel@p50845FD3.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:16]<john_f> rymate1234: nice, what is it written in?[20:16]* intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:16]* intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) has joined #raspberrypi[20:16]<rymate1234> Probably php once I actually start coding it[20:17]<TAFB> I heart PHP :)[20:17]* tinti_ (~tinti@pdpc/supporter/student/tinti) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[20:18]<rymate1234> I'll also use Ajax to poll for updates and stuff[20:19]<rymate1234> Just need to find some way to interact with mpd via php[20:20]* ciboulette (~vpqr@gateway/tor-sasl/ciboulette) Quit (Quit: leaving)[20:22]<nid0> http://pear.php.net/package/Net_MPD/[20:22]<rymate1234> Just found that lmao[20:22]<rymate1234> Looking through the source now[20:22]<nid0> or http://phpmpreloaded.sourceforge.net/[20:22]<nid0> or just exec() :)[20:23]* Aartsie (~aartsie@j233145.upc-j.chello.nl) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[20:26]* |Jeroen| (~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be) Quit (Quit: Toedels)[20:26]<rymate1234> I might end up using a combination of exec() and net_mpd[20:27]* KeatonT (~textual@unaffiliated/keatont) has joined #raspberrypi[20:27]<Hopsy> why dont i see any accesspoint :([20:28]<Hopsy> I have configured and installed hostapd[20:29]<john_f> Hopsy: is it running? does it error?[20:30]<Hopsy> not really john_f[20:30]* wingdspur (~wingdspur@ucomdsl-209-203-166-100.ucom.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:31]<Hopsy> http://cache.gyazo.com/35d091c98670513f2df8627b622ced68.png john_f[20:34]<john_f> Hopsy: it is not running, look at your logs in /var/log/[20:36]* alegen (~alegen@alegen.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[20:36]<mrbrdo> okay I managed to dd the raspbian image onto an USB stick now, and I changed cmdline.txt on the SD card to boot from /dev/sda2, but it seems I'm still booting into the installer. any ideas?[20:36]<john_f> Hopsy: An easy way to pastebin output from the command line. using the sprunge pastebin: <command> |& curl -F sprunge=@- sprunge.us[20:36]* fayimora (~fayimora@host86-160-40-15.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[20:37]* alegen (~alegen@alegen.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:38]<companion> john_f, http://pastebin.com/fgB8gjTA[20:39]<companion> halp? Q.Q[20:39]<scummos> companion: try sudo mount -o remount,rw /mnt/data[20:40]<companion> scummos, its done torugh FSTAB[20:40]<companion> /dev/sda1 /mnt/data ext4 defaults 0 0[20:40]<scummos> so?[20:40]<companion> scummos, it should work :P[20:40]* rrhb (~sendhb@c-71-197-238-220.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:40]<scummos> yes[20:41]<scummos> but try specifying rw explicitly, maybe it throws an error then[20:41]<companion> scummos, how do you mean?[20:41]<UnaClocker> mrbrdo: Try this guide: http://www.networkinghowtos.com/howto/raspbian-on-raspberry-pi-using-sd-card-usb-memory-stick/[20:41]<companion> ah alright[20:41]<mrbrdo> thanks[20:41]* pkrnj (~pkrnj@bas1-montreal47-1242478440.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[20:41]<Hopsy> sprunge pastebin?[20:41]<companion> scummos, no errors[20:41]<john_f> companion: what is mount output?[20:41]<john_f> Hopsy: so you don't need to take pictures[20:41]<companion> john_f, when mounting?[20:42]<john_f> no, after[20:42]* Vegar (~vegar@unaffiliated/vegar) has left #raspberrypi[20:42]<companion> lemme test[20:42]<john_f> just to see the status[20:42]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[20:42]<companion> touch: cannot touch `/mnt/data/test': Permission denied[20:42]* rrhb (~sendhb@c-71-197-238-220.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:43]<Hopsy> john_f: I dont have internet on my pi atm[20:43]<john_f> ok[20:44]<Hopsy> I am calling this function: pi@raspberrypi ~ $ sudo service hostapd start[20:44]<mrbrdo> UnaClocker: how to find which dev is for SD card though?[20:44]<Hopsy> my /var/log/ seems still empty[20:44]* UnaClocker shrugs.[20:45]<john_f> companion: pastebin "mount" and "stat /mnt/data"[20:45]<mrbrdo> is it possible that it's mmc0?[20:45]<UnaClocker> Quite likely.[20:46]<scummos> companion: did you check dmesg?[20:46]<companion> john_f, scummos: http://pastebin.com/1Z4mXhR5[20:47]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-rc3)[20:47]<companion> scummos, yea only thing related is: [ 15.438944] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)[20:48]<companion> scummos, and [ 21.428575] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)[20:48]<companion> way ahead of the log[20:48]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[20:49]<john_f> companion: can you cd into /mnt/data?[20:49]<companion> john_f, I can[20:49]<companion> even I can LS and read from it[20:49]<companion> just not write[20:49]<scummos> companion: hmm, that looks good[20:49]<scummos> companion: did you umount and fsck it?[20:49]<john_f> companion: your user is in that group?[20:49]<companion> fsck?[20:50]<scummos> companion: file system check[20:50]<scummos> run fsck <device> when device is unmounted[20:50]<companion> I am in the user group AND dir is chowned root:users[20:50]* Schnabeltier (~Schnabelt@dslb-188-108-106-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[20:51]<john_f> companion: group command says you are in it?[20:51]<companion> john_f, yes[20:51]<companion> but it does always say device is bussy tho :s[20:52]<companion> /dev/sda1 is in use.[20:52]<scummos> reboot then[20:52]<scummos> also fsck it ;)[20:52]<companion> hrm[20:52]<companion> I think Deluge or XBMC is occupying it[20:52]<companion> rebooting it nao[20:52]<companion> seeing if it fsck's[20:53]* Luxtux (~Philo3@178.254.107.57) has joined #raspberrypi[20:53]* NullMoogleCable (~NullMoogl@cpe-66-66-94-57.rochester.res.rr.com) Quit ()[20:53]<Hopsy> john_f: why did you say hostapd doesnt run at all?[20:54]<Hopsy> what does this line means?[20:54]<Hopsy> pi 2943 0.0 0.1 3540 804 pts/0 S+ 03:03 0:00 grep --color=auto hostapd[20:54]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[20:54]<companion> john_f, scummos woulnt: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER <Mount Point> fix it?[20:54]<scummos> companion: can you access the device as root?[20:54]<TAFB> weather is not looking too good :( http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/549994_10152432355620317_1453280235_n.jpg[20:54]<companion> scummos, lemme check[20:54]<john_f> Hopsy: that is your ps aux | grep hostapd command[20:55]<companion> scummos, as root its NP[20:55]<john_f> companion: perhaps[20:56]* Luxtux is now known as Philo[20:56]<companion> I can touch files in it as root[20:56]<scummos> oh alright, then forget the fsck stuff[20:56]<scummos> try to mount the FS with the user option[20:56]<john_f> Hopsy: you can try running hostapd manually and see if it complains[20:56]<scummos> hm no[20:56]<Hopsy> it doesnt john_f[20:57]<companion> works now![20:57]<scummos> hm what fixed it?[20:57]<companion> sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /mnt/data[20:57]<companion> that did the trick ^-^[20:58]<scummos> alright ;P[20:58]<Hopsy> at least I dont see it john_f[20:59]* mdszy (~mdszy@unaffiliated/mdszy) has joined #raspberrypi[20:59]* audiodef (~quassel@pool-71-191-172-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:00]<john_f> Hopsy: hostapd -d /path/to/config[21:01]<john_f> companion: something must be wrong with your groups.[21:01]<john_f> doesn't matter now[21:01]* FerkSwe (~Lolcat@c83-254-183-2.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[21:02]<Hopsy> and now john_f?[21:02]<Hopsy> it doesnt say anything[21:04]* tinti (~tinti@pdpc/supporter/student/tinti) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[21:06]* tinti (~tinti@pdpc/supporter/student/tinti) has joined #raspberrypi[21:07]<john_f> then I have no clue[21:13]* KeatonT (~textual@unaffiliated/keatont) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[21:13]<lee> sigh, can't believe I even have to ask this ...[21:16]* poli (~poli@201-92-166-142.dsl.telesp.net.br) has joined #raspberrypi[21:16]<lee> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200851159760 on that SPST switch, why are there three pins? they're labelled +, A, and earth. am I right in thinking I need to attach battery->switch female spade to +, ongoing positive from A->load, and crimp both earth from the load and battery to the terminal marked earth?[21:16]<UnaClocker> Illuminated rocker, it uses the third pin to light the light.[21:17]<FerkSwe> ^[21:17]<UnaClocker> Seems light on specs, but generally, you're switching positive 12v to the load, you provide a ground on the extra terminal so the light can come on when it's switched on.[21:18]* akk (~akkana@adsl-69-105-235-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:19]* raistlix (~raistlix@pool-108-15-94-103.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:22]* imark (~mark@client-80-0-212-163.bkl-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:23]<lee> ok, ta[21:26]<imark> my girl is using my pi to watch musical rom-coms, is this wrong?[21:27]<UnaClocker> Why is it I can run apt-get upgrade 3 days apart, and it still feels like I'm updating the whole OS? heh..[21:30]* dero (~dero@p548B46D2.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[21:33]* dj_pi (~asd@c-107-5-25-243.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:33]* Olipro (~Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.21for7.olipro) has joined #raspberrypi[21:33]* dj_pi (~asd@c-107-5-25-243.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:33]* Delboy (~openwrt@141-136-241-233.dsl.iskon.hr) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[21:36]* ephialtes480 (~ephialtes@141.105.65.170) has joined #raspberrypi[21:37]<roe1and> hiya lads. I've been dicking about with my rpi all day trying to mount a hard drive to the usb port[21:37]* phenom (~L7@unaffiliated/phenom) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[21:37]<roe1and> no I think I have managed that but I can't mount it as a drive in windows[21:38]* dero (~dero@p548B46D2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:38]* Delboy (~openwrt@141-136-241-222.dsl.iskon.hr) has joined #raspberrypi[21:38]<roe1and> ... i know, Windows... still I can open \\192.168.1.204\usb in Windows explorer but I can only browse not copy to it[21:39]* phenom (~L7@unaffiliated/phenom) has joined #raspberrypi[21:40]* user82 (~user82@unaffiliated/user82) has joined #raspberrypi[21:43]* fiftyonefifty (~fiftyonef@206.248.12.222) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:44]<gordonDrogon> your samba config is probably set to export is as read-only.[21:44]<gordonDrogon> check the config in /etc/samba/smb.cfg (I think)[21:46]<roe1and> looking at it now. Under [homes] I have read only = no[21:47]<roe1and> under [usb] I have writeable = Yes[21:48]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@208.70.28.126) has joined #raspberrypi[21:48]* Syliss (~Home@108.82.206.16) has joined #raspberrypi[21:48]* comradekingu (~comradeki@188.113.116.150) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[21:49]* dero (~dero@p548B46D2.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[21:49]* dero (~dero@p548B46D2.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:49]* poli (~poli@201-92-166-142.dsl.telesp.net.br) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:51]* voxadam (~voxadam@c-71-59-211-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[21:51]* Eliatrope (~speckius@212.113.107.78) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[21:51]* comradekingu (~comradeki@188.113.116.150) has joined #raspberrypi[21:53]* millerii (~pi@e218.ip3.netikka.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:54]<jackmackg> any of you talking over a pi on this irc now?[21:54]<mdszy> doubt it[21:54]* egarals (~egarals@81-231-141-96-no32.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:54]* Syliss (~Home@108.82.206.16) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:56]<egarals> Guys a quick question... is it not preferable to format the sd card with ext3/4 instead of fat32 when installing raspbian?[21:56]<FerkSwe> Nope, but i did just set u a third monitor to use with my pi[21:56]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[21:57]<egarals> Or should I keep boot as fat32 and another partition with ext3?[21:57]<piney0> egarals, iirc, the boot partition needs to be fat, the other can be which ever you would like[21:57]* g_r_eek (~g_r_eek@173-9-142-122-Miami.FL.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:03]<Eartaker> no matter what keyboard i use my @ is swapped with my "[22:03]<Eartaker> any ideas?[22:04]<john_f> uk layout?[22:04]<mdszy> That issue comes up way too much. It seriously needs to get fixed[22:04]<Dyskette> Eartaker: are you using a UK keyboard? You need to set it to use a keyboard layout corresponding to your actual keyboard's layout[22:04]<Eartaker> i set the local as en-us utf-8[22:05]* egarals (~egarals@81-231-141-96-no32.tbcn.telia.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[22:05]<Dyskette> Eartaker: and are you using a US-layout keyboard?[22:05]<Eartaker> yes[22:06]* akk (~akkana@adsl-69-105-235-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[22:06]<Dyskette> Eartaker: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration[22:06]* dero (~dero@p548B46D2.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[22:06]<Dyskette> Eartaker: as root ideally (i.e. sudo it)[22:07]<Eartaker> did it but not as sudo.... brb[22:07]<tdy> if i have a sensor that's recording at 100Hz for 24/7, what would be the best way to send that data continuously to a remote server[22:10]* manitou (~manitou@unaffiliated/manitou) has joined #raspberrypi[22:11]<Eartaker> back... still the same issue[22:11]<tdy> right now the loop writes each timepoint to a row in a csv file, but i'm assuming i need to change this model somehow since the recording will happen continuously and the csv file will be continuously written to[22:12]<Eartaker> whats the command to run the layout?[22:13]* wooy (~wooy@unaffiliated/wooy) has joined #raspberrypi[22:13]* bmosley (~bmosley@unaffiliated/bmosley) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:14]<wooy> hi, how you install tools in raspberrypi (with debian)? you gotta compile all or you have repo? or you can use oficial ARM debian repo?[22:15]* fayimora (~fayimora@host86-160-40-15.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[22:15]<tdy> i saw this project where they use HTTP requests to send each reading to a remote site, but that doesn't seem feasible since i'm doing 100 Hz sampling[22:15]<piney0> tdy, i don't know what the best would be, but a simple tcp socket would work. might want to incorporate a cache of some kind in case of network connectivity issues[22:15]<tdy> https://github.com/briandorey/RaspberryPiSolarLogger/blob/master/homedatalogger.py[22:15]* Altimeter (~Altimeter@2607:5300:60:b49::1) has joined #raspberrypi[22:17]* tubadaz (~quassel@pdpc/supporter/student/tubadaz) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[22:17]<tdy> piney0: ok, sounds like i need to look into sockets, haven't used before[22:18]<piney0> tdy, you could pipe ssh to do that too. not too sure how well it would work[22:19]* peetaur2 (~peter@hmbg-4d06bd9e.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[22:19]<tdy> my original naive plan was just to periodically scp a csv file to the remote server[22:19]<piney0> tail -f a file from one computer in to a file on the other[22:19]<tdy> but now that my recording code is done, i realized that there's never a completed csv file...[22:19]<tdy> since i'm just constantly recording[22:23]<mjr> make daily files or something[22:24]<mjr> and with rsync you can update the files periodically efficiently[22:24]<piney0> hmm, you just gave me an idea for one of my projects. rsync might be a good solution[22:25]<Eartaker> Dyskette: fixed it... i just did sudo nano /etc/default/keyboard changed gb to us. did a reboot[22:25]<mjr> recommend --inplace[22:26]<mjr> and probably --partial[22:27]<piney0> i have a browser rendered temperature graph that uses a csv file. i'm proxying the whole site through a vps, the issue is that the connection between my house and vps is slow at uploading the file(s) and i didn't see a way to cache the file on the vps until now. might work[22:28]* egarals (~egarals@81-231-141-96-no32.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[22:34]<egarals> Guys, trying to install raspbian and get as far as the Language screen, either its crashed or usb keyboard not recognized. Is this a common problem?[22:35]<TAFB> egarals: I had the same problem, caused by crappy MicroUSB cable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDeQMNCOiw[22:35]* int3nz0r (~int3nz0r@86.86.66.141) Quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/)[22:35]<TAFB> USB keyboard = no worikie on raspi-config screen, followed by a crash a short time later, SOMETIMES :)[22:35]* lars_t_h (~lars_t_h@002128238085.mbb.telenor.dk) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[22:35]<egarals> all because of the crappy micro usb cable?[22:35]<TAFB> be sure to check your tp1-tp2 voltage: http://elinux.org/File:RPI_Test_Points.JPG[22:36]* bryter (~bshs@84.22.35.33) has joined #raspberrypi[22:36]<egarals> i do have a crappy cheap chinese cable[22:36]<TAFB> yeppers! I went to the store, bought two new ones, same problem. Found the original one that came with my blackberry, worked fine.[22:36]<TAFB> I cut them open to see what's up. Blackberry cable = 24 gauge power cables, crappy store bought cables = 30 gauge power cable :([22:36]<bryter> how do i choose how much ram to allocate to xbian? i am thinking of installing a torrent client as well and i want to allocate only 256mb(out of 512) to xbian. I know i have to change some text somewhere in a file but i dont know what file[22:36]<egarals> well i will have to go through all my cables one by one :-)[22:37]<TAFB> good plan, got a volt meter? check tp1-tp2 if you can :)[22:37]<TAFB> these are the best cables money can buy: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=8641&seq=1&format=2[22:37]<egarals> i do have a voltmeter[22:38]* Opinie (~jay@pc-184-130.cable.aina.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:38]* piney0 has an issue comparing monoprice to 'best'[22:38]<egarals> i'll google up on tp1-tp2[22:38]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-rc3)[22:38]<TAFB> piney0: find me another 24ga gold plated microUSB cable and I'll agree with ya[22:38]<egarals> you sure its the cable and not the transformer?[22:39]<TAFB> egarals: I bought three transformers, ending up with a 5v 10amp supply! Trust me when I say it wasn't my power supply ;)[22:39]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[22:40]* AeroNotix (~xeno@abos142.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[22:41]<bryter> anyone?[22:41]* AeroNotix (~xeno@abor71.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[22:41]<egarals> *blows dust off of the voltmeter*[22:42]<Torikun> Every gentoo stage 3 I download for the raspberry PI fails to extract completely. ftp://de-mirror.org/gentoo/releases/arm/autobuilds/20130110/armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi/[22:42]<netzvieh> bryter: /boot/config.txt[22:42]* Opinie (~jay@pc-184-130.cable.aina.net) Quit (Quit: leaving)[22:43]<piney0> TAFB, specs on this one are nice, a little long though to say the least http://www.pacificcable.com/picture_page.asp?dataname=mcc-usb-2-250[22:43]<bryter> netzvieh: thanks, i did find that one but i am not sure what entrie to add/change[22:43]<TAFB> piney0: just a lil long ;)[22:44]* Datalink|Elsewhe (~Datalink@unaffiliated/datalink) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[22:44]<egarals> 4.8V[22:45]<bryter> netzvieh: this is how it currently looks: https://www.dropbox.com/s/uw8o9tyrnu0d3tt/config.txt[22:45]<netzvieh> gpu_mem=256[22:45]<TAFB> egarals: 4.8v is the absolute minimum you need. Can you measure the side of F3 AND D17 (closest to board sides)?[22:45]<netzvieh> ah wait[22:46]<TAFB> F3 and D17 are on the bottom, right by the microUSB port[22:46]<netzvieh> gpu_mem_512=256[22:46]* imark (~mark@client-80-0-212-163.bkl-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[22:47]<netzvieh> bryter: that would set 256mb gpu memory and 256mb ram[22:47]<bryter> so i should change the "gpu_mem_512=100" to "gpu_mem_512=256"?[22:47]<bryter> or add a new entry?[22:47]<netzvieh> yes[22:47]<netzvieh> change it[22:47]<bryter> ok[22:47]<bryter> thanks :)[22:48]<netzvieh> np[22:50]<egarals> TAFB: d17 = 4.8V[22:50]<egarals> F3= 0[22:50]<TAFB> measure BETWEEN d17 and f3, on the sides closest the board edge[22:51]<rymate1234> well, my MPD web interface works well on androids too o.o http://i.imgur.com/g0PQB5t.png[22:51]<TAFB> nice work rymate1234 :)[22:52]<egarals> across then 4.8[22:52]<TAFB> yep, you got crappy microUSB cable (and/or under powered supply).[22:52]<rymate1234> next goal is actual functionality :D[22:52]<TAFB> you're only getting 4.8v into your Pi, not enuff[22:52]<egarals> ill go get another cable[22:53]* redarrow_ (~quassel@unaffiliated/redarrow) has joined #raspberrypi[22:53]* djazz (~daniel@80.78.216.219) has joined #raspberrypi[22:55]<egarals> ok, new supply and new cable, 4.97V[22:55]* Syliss (~Home@adsl-108-82-206-16.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:56]* redarrow (~quassel@unaffiliated/redarrow) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[22:57]<egarals> TAFB: 5.1V across f3 and d17, but its still hanging[22:57]<egarals> strange, keyboard worked with raspbmc[22:59]<djazz> i think my "100" LED broke, it was lit yesterday. :/ I got the raspi device yesterday. this is my 4th raspberry pi[22:59]<hadifarnoud> rymate1234: how does it look like on PC?[22:59]* Winston_Minitrue (~pi@02793ff4.bb.sky.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[22:59]<TAFB> egarals: how's TP1-TP2 on this new cable?[23:01]<egarals> TFTB: 4.97V[23:01]<djazz> "cat /sys/class/net/eth0/speed" returns 100[23:02]<djazz> how can I do a speed test?[23:02]<rymate1234> hadifarnoud: Haven't got a PC on me as laptop is broken, but here's what it looks like on my iPad http://i.imgur.com/Lqo6X3g.jpg[23:02]<hadifarnoud> nice! thanks rymate1234[23:02]<TAFB> egarals: hmmm, lookin flawless![23:03]<rymate1234> once I got it in a functional state, I'll get it on a github[23:04]* k3v1np (~k3v1np@64-201-219-91.regn.static.sasknet.sk.ca) Quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[23:04]<egarals> TAFB: running out of ideas[23:07]<egarals> boot info even shows my keyboard.[23:09]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[23:09]* ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean[23:09]<IT_Sean> >.>[23:09]<IT_Sean> <.<[23:09]<shiftplusone> >=|[23:09]<IT_Sean> o_O[23:10]<IT_Sean> ???[23:10]* IT_Sean runs away[23:10]<IT_Sean> o.o[23:10]<IT_Sean> o.o[23:10]* Linovia (~textual@put92-4-82-231-49-9.fbx.proxad.net) Quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"])[23:10]<IT_Sean> o.[23:10]<IT_Sean> o[23:10]<IT_Sean> [23:11]* kkimlabs (~kkimlabs@c-67-188-1-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:11]* mdszy headtilt[23:12]* kkimlabs (~kkimlabs@c-67-188-1-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Max SendQ exceeded)[23:12]<djazz> picture-"proof": http://i.imgur.com/fjHh36s.jpg[23:12]* kkimlabs (~kkimlabs@c-67-188-1-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:13]<djazz> also, it gets very hot in the PiBow case, about 55 C..[23:13]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: off)[23:15]<shiftplusone> In what world is that 'very hot'? O_o[23:15]<shiftplusone> Do you mean the cpu temp or the air temp?[23:16]<aDro> I got a volt meter and checked my pi, it's running at 4.70[23:16]<aDro> That seems weak[23:16]<djazz> cpu temp[23:16]* i42n (~i42n@dslb-188-104-207-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) Quit (Quit: afk.)[23:16]* phantoxeD (~destroy@a89-155-22-21.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #raspberrypi[23:16]<djazz> http://i48.tinypic.com/5dv03l.jpg <- picture of it from yesterday[23:17]<TAFB> aDro: check F3-D17 and that'll show your actual input voltage, if TP1-TP2 are much lower, you know Polyfuse F3 is screwing you over :)[23:17]<TAFB> nice case :) like the rainbow[23:17]<shiftplusone> djazz, that's nowhere near very hot >_< your pi is running fairly cool.[23:17]<djazz> usually it never gets above 47 C, even with overclocking[23:17]<TAFB> djazz: 55c is not hot, worry when it gets to around 70[23:17]<djazz> ok..[23:18]<djazz> 59 C is the highest i've measured[23:18]<djazz> so far[23:18]<shiftplusone> Can't argue with a case that supports marriage equality[23:18]<TAFB> My Pi case keeps it super cool :) http://i.imgur.com/3BwaZ0Z.jpg[23:18]<djazz> no?[23:18]<shiftplusone> TAFB, ![23:18]<aDro> Where is F3 D17? got a photo?[23:18]<TAFB> err... um. wtf?[23:18]<TAFB> paste fail?[23:18]<shiftplusone> TAFB, very much[23:18]<djazz> xD[23:18]<Amadiro> I wouldn't exactly call it "fail"[23:18]<azk> fixed my sd card warp temporarily with some paper lodged between the card and bottom of the case[23:18]<TAFB> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg[23:18]<hadifarnoud> lol[23:18]<TAFB> ^^^ Pi case[23:18]<TAFB> not sure what happened to the other link :([23:19]<TAFB> sorry bout that peeps, children shield your eyes.[23:19]* TonyRPi (~Anthony@97.75.230.116) has joined #raspberrypi[23:19]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@208.70.28.126) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:19]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@208.70.28.126) has joined #raspberrypi[23:19]<djazz> shiftplusone: http://fim.413chan.net/art/src/130703277489-Rainbow_dash_thinks_.jpg[23:20]* TonyRPi (~Anthony@97.75.230.116) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:20]* psn (~psn@konversation/developer/psn) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:20]<djazz> My pi collection: http://i.imgur.com/jxDn0wb.jpg[23:21]* [deXter] (d3Xt3r@209.141.58.172) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[23:21]* nutcase (~nutcase@unaffiliated/nutcase) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:21]* scummos (~sven@p4FDCED12.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:21]<djazz> rev1, rev2 256MB, and two rev2 512MB[23:22]* ephialtes480 (~ephialtes@141.105.65.170) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[23:22]* luke-jr_ (~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49) has joined #raspberrypi[23:22]* cipherwar (~cipherwar@2605:ea00:1:1::6a81:d5f) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[23:22]<TAFB> love the odd-ball with black audio jack :)[23:22]* ParkerR (ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) Quit (Excess Flood)[23:22]* Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:22]* Coburn|Away (~coburn@you.dont.ownt-me.info) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:22]<djazz> ;)[23:22]* AndrevS (~andrevs@2001:888:1590:0:225:b3ff:fec0:41e1) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:22]* KiLaHuRtZ (~luke@2001:470:c3ff:0:fc80:aff:febc:27ce) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:22]<djazz> rev1[23:22]* psn (~psn@konversation/developer/psn) has joined #raspberrypi[23:22]<djazz> got it back in june[23:22]<djazz> from RS[23:22]<TAFB> doesn't even say made in uk/china? lol[23:22]<djazz> all others are from farnell/element14[23:22]* midnightmagic (~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:22]<djazz> no[23:23]* caion (~caionm90@186.225.128.102) has joined #raspberrypi[23:23]<egarals> Think and have you done anything useful with your collection?[23:23]<djazz> only rev2 does[23:23]<djazz> hm[23:23]* caion (~caionm90@186.225.128.102) has left #raspberrypi[23:23]<djazz> i use two as loadbalancing webserver[23:23]<djazz> rev1 for playing[23:23]<djazz> haxing[23:23]* KiLaHuRtZ (~luke@2001:470:c3ff:0:fc80:aff:febc:27ce) has joined #raspberrypi[23:24]<djazz> rev2 256 for webradio, lego robot, etc..[23:24]<egarals> sounds good[23:24]* AndrevS (~andrevs@2001:888:1590:0:225:b3ff:fec0:41e1) has joined #raspberrypi[23:24]* midnightmagic (~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic) has joined #raspberrypi[23:24]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.linux-toys.com)[23:24]<djazz> i've just "moved to Arch", it's sweet[23:24]* cipherwar (~cipherwar@2605:ea00:1:1::6a81:d5f) has joined #raspberrypi[23:24]<djazz> so fast compared to raspbian[23:24]<djazz> boots in 10 seconds flat[23:25]<djazz> (pun intended)[23:25]<TAFB> I heart Arch too :) http://tafb.yi.org[23:25]<Mortvert> that's on arch, TAFB?[23:25]<TAFB> yeppers, SO FAST![23:25]* nutcase (~nutcase@unaffiliated/nutcase) has joined #raspberrypi[23:25]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[23:25]* Slippern (slippern@server02.hjemmeserver.info) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:25]<Mortvert> TAFB - on raspi?[23:26]* Torikun (~Torikun@76-220-9-159.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:26]<Mortvert> Oh by the way, TAFB[23:26]<TAFB> it used to be, but I moved it to that SGFH box cause the I/O performance on the Pi couldn't keep up with my 30 domain mail server :([23:26]<Mortvert> you might want to remove semenex link on that page[23:26]* Syliss (~Home@adsl-108-82-206-16.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Syliss)[23:26]<djazz> i made a online system monitor too[23:26]<djazz> hmm[23:26]* ParkerR (ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) has joined #raspberrypi[23:26]<TAFB> Mortvert: why? I tried and it stopped my page counter from workin?![23:26]<Mortvert> semenax*[23:26]<Mortvert> O_o[23:27]<Mortvert> TAFB - click the link, you'll see. It's NSFW[23:27]* [deXter] (d3Xt3r@209.141.58.172) has joined #raspberrypi[23:27]<TAFB> Serious?!?! lemme check, I never clicked it :)[23:27]<Mortvert> not as much as nsfw as it's advertish[23:27]<TAFB> ahhhh. I guess that's how they provide the free hit counter :) lol[23:28]<TAFB> I'll see if I can make the text super tiny, or same colour as background so you can't see it.[23:28]<Mortvert> if you click on counter you go to the link too[23:28]<TAFB> sneaky[23:30]<djazz> http://djazz.mine.nu/lab/cpuinfo/[23:30]<djazz> thats my webserver's stats[23:30]<djazz> cpu usage is a bit weird, dunno how to measure it properly[23:30]<djazz> sooo, anyone know if the ethernet LED is broken?[23:30]<djazz> just.. just like that?[23:30]<djazz> on a brand new raspberry, broke after one day[23:30]<djazz> whoa chatlag[23:30]<aDro> The power from my 1Amp power adapter i got off nerwark runs my pi at less than 4.7 where my samsung 700mAmp power runs my pi at 4.85[23:30]<TAFB> Adro: wacky, same cable?[23:31]<aDro> I have two cables, that I am trying... so yeah[23:31]* xarxer_work (~kvirc@82.96.59.171) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:31]<shiftplusone> TAFB, are you going to remove the ads?[23:31]<TAFB> very strange, check the F3-D17 voltage with both chargers, I have a feeling your Samsung it putting out big power, like 5.2v ;)[23:32]* scummos (~sven@p4FDCED12.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:32]<aDro> I don't know which ports those are[23:32]<lee> ok, so I was right, I had wired the switch up correctly, as proved with a 3 volt button cell and an LED[23:32]<TAFB> shiftplusone: from my hit counter? I'm currently searching out other free hit counters :)[23:33]<lee> so wtf is wrong with the LED strip ... sigh[23:33]* NullMoogleCable (~NullMoogl@cpe-66-66-94-57.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:33]<shiftplusone> TAFB, yeah, given the nature of the ad, probably best not to post the link again until then. =/[23:33]<aDro> LG Cable plus Samsung 700mAmp Power outputs 4.71volts\[23:34]<TAFB> shiftplusone: no probs, I'll remove it for now :)[23:34]<shiftplusone> thanks[23:35]<shiftplusone> A hitcounter is fairly trivial to code up yourself btw[23:35]<nid0> or there's like 54096379039320 free ones available that dont link to dodgy sites[23:35]<TAFB> shiftplusone: yeah, I got PHP code for one :) I was bein lazy[23:35]<aDro> oopse[23:35]<aDro> LG Cable plus Samsung 700mAmp Power outputs 4.91volts[23:35]<shiftplusone> fair enough[23:36]<TAFB> oh emacs, why you so crazy? lol.[23:36]<TAFB> fixed: http://tafb.yi.org/[23:36]<TAFB> :)[23:37]<shiftplusone> better =D[23:37]<TAFB> so much porn from me in one day :) one more and it's perma ban right?[23:38]<shiftplusone> If reggie wasn't napping, it probably would've been that already[23:38]<TAFB> yikes, was a mistake, serious :([23:39]<Torikun> I give up on gentoo[23:39]<shiftplusone> TAFB, I know, but he doesn't like the mention of prawn either, so..[23:39]<TAFB> ahhh.[23:40]* TAFB washes mouth out with soap[23:40]* mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:40]* shiftplusone has found a way to tell people off without feeling like a nazi.... (blame reggie for everything)[23:42]<aDro> Both the LG and Samsung Power adapters work really well for the RPi.[23:42]<nid0> my pi's just run from my desktop front usb ports[23:43]<aDro> That can't be good.[23:43]<TAFB> nid0: Lucky, mine wouldn't run even one Pi[23:43]<Torikun> I like the lapdock idea but I could buy a netbook for teh same price[23:43]<nid0> aDro: why not?[23:43]* manitou (~manitou@unaffiliated/manitou) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:43]<aDro> nid0: The Desktop's USB has a max power output of 500mAmps[23:44]<aDro> If you have a Model B, it will be unerpowered[23:44]<nid0> aDro: on paper yes, very few desktops stick to it[23:44]<nid0> besides which, 500mA is plenty for a pi[23:44]<nid0> the pi itself needs around 350mA, plus 100 ish for ethernet[23:45]<aDro> It depends on the peripherals.[23:45]<nid0> as I said, the pi itself needs 350 plus 100 ish for ethernet[23:45]<nid0> then usb devices take extra power on top of that[23:45]<djazz> simple way to play youtube videos from the commandline (assuming you have the video url/id): omxplayer $(youtube-dl -f 38/37/46/22/35/34/18/6/5/17/13 -g "$1")[23:46]<aDro> If you don't have any, or use a USB Hub with adequate power itself, you may be fine[23:46]<nid0> of which I have none[23:46]<djazz> it will pick the highest available format[23:46]<aDro> I believe power is a common issue with this device.[23:46]<djazz> put it in a shell script :)[23:46]<nid0> yeah, i'd love to know where people find all these dodgy power cables, i've never had a single power issue with mine[23:47]* Torikun has[23:47]<Torikun> used old cell phone charger[23:47]* Hydrar (~hydrar@c80-217-122-171.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[23:47]<djazz> i got a power cable when i ordered my 3rd pi from farnell that makes those weird sounds[23:47]<djazz> its a "Deltaco"[23:48]<aDro> nid0: The power for charging your cell phone is not required to be a steady and stable supply of a particular voltage.[23:48]* timewa1ker (~timewalke@h-144-204.a176.priv.bahnhof.se) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[23:48]<nid0> i'm aware.[23:48]<djazz> also, the cable I got from RS way back in june got a very glitchy mini usb it seems[23:49]<Torikun> I bought two wall chargers from radio shack today. $20 a pop[23:49]<nid0> but still, all but the worst of supplies provide perfectly adequate power for the pi[23:49]<djazz> slightest touch on the cable causes the pi to reboot[23:49]<Hydrar> djazz: Deltaco has some decent stuff but a lot of it is chinese crap :/[23:49]<djazz> yeah i know :/[23:49]<nid0> I dont have a single power adaptor in this house that doesnt run my pi's fine, i've tried them all[23:49]<djazz> i didnt knew it was deltaco until i got it[23:49]<Mortvert> Hydrar - sometimes "chinese crap" works better than original.[23:49]<Mortvert> Thought that's rare.[23:50]<Hydrar> Yeah[23:50]* SgrA (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:50]<djazz> i got an HDMI to VGA with external power suppy (micro usb).. how will i know how much power from the pi it uses?[23:50]<djazz> (also Deltaco)[23:50]<djazz> but it looks like any other hdmi to vga i've seen images of[23:51]* SgrA (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) has joined #raspberrypi[23:52]* Oejet (~Oejet@unaffiliated/oejet) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[23:52]<Hydrar> Multimeter would probably work, unless it's specified in the spec sheet or manual[23:53]* Helldesk (tee@shell.kahvipannu.fi) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[23:53]<djazz> how can I turn hdmi mode on if i booted without hdmi plugged in?[23:54]* timewa1ker (~timewalke@h-144-204.a176.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #raspberrypi[23:55]<Xark> djazz: There is a setting to force HDMI, (even if not connected or monitor powered off), but I don't think you can switch without rebooting.[23:56]<djazz> yeah[23:57]* S0-2 (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) has joined #raspberrypi[23:58]* timewa1ker (~timewalke@h-144-204.a176.priv.bahnhof.se) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[23:58]* pizthewiz (~pizthewiz@208.70.28.126) Quit (Quit: pizthewiz)[23:59]* S0-2 (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:59]* kkimlabs (~kkimlabs@c-67-188-1-117.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: https://bitbucket.org/kkimlabs/consistent_floating_point/)[23:59]* goldilocks (~yaaic@64.231.54.60) has joined #raspberrypi[23:59]* S0-2 (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) has joined #raspberrypi