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0-8

lol.... remember when you guys said "ESPN hates the Pistons" and "NBA 2K hates the Pistons because of our rankings?

Now you guys faced reality, this team is horrendous

This is absolutely embarrassing... 0-8 and this team may not get a win until we play Orlando because we always play Orlando good.

But if this team doesn't beat Orlando then I can't see this team getting a potential win until we play Toronto so that's a 0-12 start... this team is on a epic losing streak right now and this team blows

Fire Frank! Can anyone explain why Drummond and Monroe don't get to play together?

Last night, even though Maxiell had a nice game, I think a lineup of Stuckey/Singler/Jerebko/Monroe/Drummond or Bynum/Stuckey/Singler/Monroe/Drummond could have worked. Then again, what do I know I am just a fan.

This team is better than the record shows, not much though. However, if we keep starting and giving significant minutes to Prince and Maxiell, I want to lose every game. Give the young guys a shot, the vets obviously aren't getting it done.

EDIT/ADDITION: Also I do not blame Frank completely. With all of this sucking the last few years, we have only moved Gordon. So I blame Dumars equally, if not more, than Frank.

Last edited by streetballa; 11-13-2012 at 01:57 PM.

"When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft; on the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing."
-Bo Schembechler

Perhaps. However, this will be another coaching change for most of the players. I would assume it's difficult to develop young talent and instill a methodology amongst veterans with constant changes to the coaching staff.

Look at the coaching situation for the Lakers. How much attention has been paid to the differences in systems between Jackson, Brown, and D'Antoni and trying to determine which would be easiest to learn for a team of hall of fame players.

Now imagine putting the Pistons through yet another coaching change. How difficult do you think this would be on the players? For some of our players this would be their fourth or fifth head coach with the team, for most their second or third head coach. In my opinion another change in leadership will only continue to hinder the development of the team.

At some point the team needs to play it out. Attempt to build something vs. always trying to tinker.

Originally Posted by streetballa

Can anyone explain why Drummond and Monroe don't get to play together?

Match ups.

Greg Monroe would have difficulty guarding a lot of power forwards in this league. He doesn't appear to have the speed to guard a lot of the more athletic and versatile forwards. However, if Andre Drummond can turn into a dominant rim protector. We could afford to play Monroe at the "4" more often in my opinion. Yet, if the other team has a real shooter at the "4" it would still be problematic. I mean imagine Monroe out on the perimeter. We would surely have to play more of a zone style defense with a Monroe and Drummond front court.

On the offensive side of the ball. Spacing would be an issue for a while.

Greg Monroe is a good passer and Drummond has surprisingly good hands. So a high-low type of game similar to a C. Webb/Divac or a dual post Duncan/Robinson back in the day. Could work. However, considering the inefficiency of the rest of the teams offense, it doesn't seem plausible that we run an offensive featuring Monroe working up in the high post.If we continue to run stricly iso's and pick and rolls. I don't think we'll see too much efficiency from a Monroe and Drummond front court.

Originally Posted by streetballa

I think a lineup of Stuckey/Singler/Jerebko/Monroe/Drummond or Bynum/Stuckey/Singler/Monroe/Drummond could have worked.

See above. But, also, do you really think Singler can guard shooting guards? Jerebko vs. some of the beast-mode SF's?

Originally Posted by streetballa

Then again, what do I know I am just a fan.

This is the problem. A lot of us fans ***** and moan way to much. And we all think we know more than we do.

I mean honestly we're talking about grown men and professionals. They are trying to win. Frank, Dumars, and the players have forgotten more about hoops then we currently know.

The pistons are bad. But the staff is trying to win and put out a quality product. If someone isn't playing, or someone still has a job. There is a reason for it and it's insulting of us to pretend like we know better.

Originally Posted by streetballa

This team is better than the record shows, not much though.

I agree.

Originally Posted by streetballa

However, if we keep starting and giving significant minutes to Prince and Maxiell,I want to lose every game. Give the young guys a shot, the vets obviously aren't getting it done.

I agree Prince seems to be a step slow now-a-days. I would like to see some of his minutes go to Singler and Jerebko.

I disagree about Maxiell though. Jason has consistently been a solid player for the Pistons and he's playing well this season. I think he gets the right ammount of minutes and he should be starting.

See above. But, also, do you really think Singler can guard shooting guards? Jerebko vs. some of the beast-mode SF's?

Not sure how many SFs in the league can guard elite SFs like Lebron and Durant anyway

Prince obviously isnt one either. So how can Jerebko n Singler be worse? One big big problem of ours is our lack of outside shooting to stretch the floor. Stuckey cant shoot, Prince is too slow for the game.

Singler can shoot but i agree, i prefer him off the bench.
Jerebko is 6'10", can potentially create matchup problem for many smaller SFs, n i think his hustle and perimeter defense can be helpful to this team. Not saying he can guard Lebron or Durant, but i m more comfortable with him guarding players like Batum, Rudy Gay or Paul George for example than Prince.

I actually like Kim English and what he can bring to this team. He ill bring perimeter defense n 3 point shootings to this team. And thats something we deseperately need. Stuckey cannot hit his shots, n even when he's in better condition he is never a reliable shooter anyway. We need size, perimeter defense and 3 points from the 2 spot. Kim English actually isnt a bad idea

Originally Posted by BlahaTRUTH

I disagree about Maxiell though. Jason has consistently been a solid player for the Pistons and he's playing well this season. I think he gets the right ammount of minutes and he should be starting.

Maxiell is ok, but he is a career backup. His upside is limited and i hate to see a 6'5" PF starting for us. Maxiell is unbeleivably bad at boxing out and grabbing defensive rebounds

We need inside presence. Monroe cant really defend the 4(either athletic slashers or strech 4s) n 5 anyway. And Maxiell cant protect the rim becoz he is 5-6inches shorter than many opponents he faced. We need an inside presnece so that at least we wont be worried about the paint as much as we do

We need an inside presence, blocks and DEFENSIVE REBOUNDS. Maxiell is not the answer. He is not an inside presence, not someone opponenet will be fear of and he is a terrible defensive rebounder

I think one of Coach Frank's concern of starting Drummond is our lack of depth. "Who will be our backup C i we start Drummond n Monroe together??" Maxiell is 6'5" and thats undersized at the 5 even in Philipines or Hong Kong; i think Slava Kravtsov's development will be the key. If Coach Frank feels more comfortable with him being our primary backup C, i think Drummond will have a better chance of starting

Bit surprised at the slow start but hopefully this team can turn it around. A win tonight over Philly would be a good start.

With the deepest of regrets I am announcing that I will be leaving Pro Sports Daily. No reason in particular but wanted to thank everyone for a great 6 years here. Lots of great discussion and good poll series as well. Also fun re-drafts. Best of luck to you all in the future.