It was just an example of an unanswerable question. I'm sure somebody somewhere has coined a term for it like panoptic transflippant sexual-spectrumdom, but I don't care to do the research, nor spend too much time dissecting the strange set of cultural rules that govern hip hop's opinions about what makes a man a homosexual (and why that's something that needs to be apologized for in the first place).

99.998er:But fantasizing about Ann Coulter with a strap-on ramming my bunghole is still cool, right?

no. that is never ok. she is one of the very few evil deliberately divisive lying twunts worthy of receiving the strapon from se7en though... i could never personally do it, but i wouldn't miss her either.

It was just an example of an unanswerable question. I'm sure somebody somewhere has coined a term for it like panoptic transflippant sexual-spectrumdom, but I don't care to do the research, nor spend too much time dissecting the strange set of cultural rules that govern hip hop's opinions about what makes a man a homosexual (and why that's something that needs to be apologized for in the first place).

In other words, you have no idea how it could possibly be relevant or instructive, regardless of your milquetoast backpedaling. And what's the story with your day-old account?

Why is he resigning? Because he admitted to sex with transsexuals? Because he paid for sex? Did I miss something? It's 2013 isn't it?

pretty sure that's it.

Food for thought. If I have sex with a woman who looks like a man, does that suddenly make me straight?

can we please leave buck angel out of this?

Another Bizarre Magazine reader here on Fark?

/Sadly, I no longer can stand to pay for that mag, it's turned into yet another tattoo and body mod mag.//I'll download it though... and scan the 10% "mondo" content I used to enjoy reading when it started out

actually no, just someone brought to my attention by someone i met who had just completed their mtf "transition" i guess you would call it...

body mods (when not in the T class) are kind of a case-by-case for me. if they're done well, and not for some dipshiat reason, fine... if you're being an AW, STFU>FO.

OK, Bizarre Mag covered Buck Angel a few years back. I started buying the mag because it had, as I said, "mondo" content - strange cultures, places, rituals, fetish scenes, occasional tattoo and body mod stuff... and of course, lots of nice looking, mostly naked "alt girls". About 3 or 4 years ago, they started shifting to more and more coverage of tattoo/body mod stuff, to the point of extreme AW territory. If I wanted to buy a mag about body ink and mods, I'd buy a magazine that specializes in that. I didn't have issues with occasional coverage, but it's shifted the 90-10 split the wrong way.

:::sigh::: I was hoping I had found another reader to commiserate with. Heh.

I'll still get it as a PDF download, unfortunately, they are Apple iTunes versions, and they have to cover up the naughty bits. Ugh. The latest issue has 124 pages, about 11 pages have content that is remotely interesting.

So, yeah, lately the articles in Bizarre seem to be mostly attention whores showing off their "body art" (tats, mods, scarification). I ...

sorry to hear it, but no you were the first to mention it... i learned about buck angel through other means...

runcible spork:In other words, you have no idea how it could possibly be relevant or instructive, regardless of your milquetoast backpedaling. And what's the story with your day-old account?

Well the story behind my day-old account is that I signed up a day ago. And in other words, I was making a joke that I have no idea how to classify blowing a shemale on the side of the road in binary sexual terms, because I thought it would be funny. Since you found my joke neither relevant nor instructive, I will do better in the future to make much more relevant, instructive jokes that are tailored specifically to your sensibilities.

I think I've grown a lot here as a person here in my one day. Thank you.

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:runcible spork: In other words, you have no idea how it could possibly be relevant or instructive, regardless of your milquetoast backpedaling. And what's the story with your day-old account?

Well the story behind my day-old account is that I signed up a day ago. And in other words, I was making a joke that I have no idea how to classify blowing a shemale on the side of the road in binary sexual terms, because I thought it would be funny. Since you found my joke neither relevant nor instructive, I will do better in the future to make much more relevant, instructive jokes that are tailored specifically to your sensibilities.

I think I've grown a lot here as a person here in my one day. Thank you.

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque:runcible spork: In other words, you have no idea how it could possibly be relevant or instructive, regardless of your milquetoast backpedaling. And what's the story with your day-old account?

Well the story behind my day-old account is that I signed up a day ago. And in other words, I was making a joke that I have no idea how to classify blowing a shemale on the side of the road in binary sexual terms, because I thought it would be funny. Since you found my joke neither relevant nor instructive, I will do better in the future to make much more relevant, instructive jokes that are tailored specifically to your sensibilities.

I think I've grown a lot here as a person here in my one day. Thank you.

as i stated up the thread, i don't think much of this has to do with the T aspect of the equation. it sounds like he just got busted paying for sex... happened to be outside the usual bust, so it's a headline. not funny, but also, if you want instructive, regardless of how you classify gender vs. sex in definitions, sexuality is not, and has never been binary...

MrSplifferton:MrSplifferton: hardinparamedic: Well, he might not be gay, but the odds of him having a case of homosexual fetishism is very low.

To be fair, as well, if the person is transgender, deriving sexual orientation from physical contact as well gets far more complex.

Sexual orientation and sexuality is not a black and white spectrum with a clear dividing line. It's actually pretty damn complex.

I was talking to a friend who had a friend who became a female. He divorced his wife, and then she married another woman.Another friend he was friend's with was a gay trucker dude. He had a sex change and became a lesbian.

MrSplifferton:hardinparamedic: Well, he might not be gay, but the odds of him having a case of homosexual fetishism is very low.

To be fair, as well, if the person is transgender, deriving sexual orientation from physical contact as well gets far more complex.

Sexual orientation and sexuality is not a black and white spectrum with a clear dividing line. It's actually pretty damn complex.

I was talking to a friend who had a friend who became a female. He divorced his wife, and then she married another woman.Another friend he was friend's with was a gay trucker dude. He had a sex change and became a lesbian.

RoyBatty:Hey thought you might find this link interesting, two neuroscientists visit Google to explain why some men like "shemale" porn though they claim to be heterosexual and why women like twilight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p-A8GvUehq4

http://www.billionwickedthoughts.com/index.html

Thanks for that link. I watched all 48 minutes of Ogi Ogas's talk.

I've never really understood why so much supposedly heterosexual porn is almost exclusively focused on penises - if guys like dicks so much why don't they just watch gay porn? I've also never understood the shemale thing. Ogi says a lot of guys are strangely evolutionarily wired so that seeing cock makes them hot and almost all shemale fans are otherwise straight men.

The male porn audience also seems afraid of vulvas - they are mostly presented tamed - covered by a (masturbating) hand or mouth or punished by a penis - not proudly waved around like cocks. Maybe deep down men think vulvas are just wrong because they don't have a penis and seeing one gives them penis amputation anxiety.

HairBolus:RoyBatty:Hey thought you might find this link interesting, two neuroscientists visit Google to explain why some men like "shemale" porn though they claim to be heterosexual and why women like twilight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p-A8GvUehq4

http://www.billionwickedthoughts.com/index.html

Thanks for that link. I watched all 48 minutes of Ogi Ogas's talk.

I've never really understood why so much supposedly heterosexual porn is almost exclusively focused on penises - if guys like dicks so much why don't they just watch gay porn? I've also never understood the shemale thing. Ogi says a lot of guys are strangely evolutionarily wired so that seeing cock makes them hot and almost all shemale fans are otherwise straight men.

The male porn audience also seems afraid of vulvas - they are mostly presented tamed - covered by a (masturbating) hand or mouth or punished by a penis - not proudly waved around like cocks. Maybe deep down men think vulvas are just wrong because they don't have a penis and seeing one gives them penis amputation anxiety.

skipping the "vagina dentata" thing (which only started AFTER i discovered anime, at which point i'd pretty much given up on that anyway) what bugs me is the shrieking. how is that "sexy"?

Quantum Apostrophe:hardinparamedic: Quantum Apostrophe: I hope there is equal thought given to people who think they are 25 in a 40 year old body, and that we should develop the medical technology to help these people.

About the same thought as you give to 3D Printing a Space Colony next year.

Dingleberry Dickwad:You know, the dude could really have saved himself some trouble and just out and said that he's bisexual, or whatever instead of getting caught with transexuals and cross dressers to try and hide it. Sure there's folks out there that would look down on him for it, but not as many as will look down on him for being in denial and going for trans and the like. I'm not saying anything about any of that is wrong, just that people will look down on him for trying to hide it in cross dressers and so forth rather than just be open about everything.

Well...he's not. As far as I'm aware, there isn't a term for people who are attracted to transsexuals. He's not gay, he's not bisexual, he's not pansexual...there's no English word for his sexual orientation.

That said, dude, just say 'I'm into women and transsexuals' and move on.

HairBolus:RoyBatty:Hey thought you might find this link interesting, two neuroscientists visit Google to explain why some men like "shemale" porn though they claim to be heterosexual and why women like twilight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p-A8GvUehq4

http://www.billionwickedthoughts.com/index.html

Thanks for that link. I watched all 48 minutes of Ogi Ogas's talk.

I am downloading it slowly, for whatever reason (COX CABLE) YouTube and Google Music streaming are almost totally unusable for me.

I've never really understood why so much supposedly heterosexual porn is almost exclusively focused on penises - if guys like dicks so much why don't they just watch gay porn? I've also never understood the shemale thing. Ogi says a lot of guys are strangely evolutionarily wired so that seeing cock makes them hot and almost all shemale fans are otherwise straight men.

The male porn audience also seems afraid of vulvas - they are mostly presented tamed - covered by a (masturbating) hand or mouth or punished by a penis - not proudly waved around like cocks. Maybe deep down men think vulvas are just wrong because they don't have a penis and seeing one gives them penis amputation anxiety.

Beats me. There is so much I don't get, and everyday I learn how much more I don't get.

It's been interesting to see the change in perspectives to the transgender over the years. When I was a kid I saw my mom watching some daytime interview show talking to Christine Jorgensen and that seemed terribly weird. And of course, most kids in school then were strict homophobes but even more, the notion of anal sex even with a girl just seemed really gross.

And here we are, where for so many of us, we seem to finally be able to just say a huge "whatever", "be happy", and if Ogi is right, many many men are attracted to "shemale" porn.

I ran across another video a few months back, but I can't find it tonight, where a transgender porn star was giving a lecture on the same topic and explaining that in her experience too, the majority of fans of "shemale" porn were straight men.

PsiChick:Dingleberry Dickwad: You know, the dude could really have saved himself some trouble and just out and said that he's bisexual, or whatever instead of getting caught with transexuals and cross dressers to try and hide it. Sure there's folks out there that would look down on him for it, but not as many as will look down on him for being in denial and going for trans and the like. I'm not saying anything about any of that is wrong, just that people will look down on him for trying to hide it in cross dressers and so forth rather than just be open about everything.

Well...he's not. As far as I'm aware, there isn't a term for people who are attracted to transsexuals. He's not gay, he's not bisexual, he's not pansexual...there's no English word for his sexual orientation.

That said, dude, just say 'I'm into women and transsexuals' and move on.

According to WIKI: "People attracted to transgender people can identify as either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or with none of those categories. Terms for people attracted to transgender people includeadmirer,transfan,tammyfan,tranny chaser,trans* catcher,trans* erotic,transsensual,tranny hawk. the termtranny chaser was originally (and still predominantly) used to describe men sexually interested in pre-operative, but it is now being used by some as well. More recently, less pejorative terms such as and transattracted have emerged."

As someone who has a number of trans FtM and MtF friends none of those terms are good, Pansexual would come close or possibly non-gender-binary-influenced as a second if we need to place labels on people. I think you said it best, though crudely. This is not a flame or anything of the sort, just hoping to spread awareness. I appreciate your open-mindedness.

RoyBatty:HairBolus: RoyBatty:Hey thought you might find this link interesting, two neuroscientists visit Google to explain why some men like "shemale" porn though they claim to be heterosexual and why women like twilight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p-A8GvUehq4

http://www.billionwickedthoughts.com/index.html

Thanks for that link. I watched all 48 minutes of Ogi Ogas's talk.

I am downloading it slowly, for whatever reason (COX CABLE) YouTube and Google Music streaming are almost totally unusable for me.

I've never really understood why so much supposedly heterosexual porn is almost exclusively focused on penises - if guys like dicks so much why don't they just watch gay porn? I've also never understood the shemale thing. Ogi says a lot of guys are strangely evolutionarily wired so that seeing cock makes them hot and almost all shemale fans are otherwise straight men.

The male porn audience also seems afraid of vulvas - they are mostly presented tamed - covered by a (masturbating) hand or mouth or punished by a penis - not proudly waved around like cocks. Maybe deep down men think vulvas are just wrong because they don't have a penis and seeing one gives them penis amputation anxiety.

Beats me. There is so much I don't get, and everyday I learn how much more I don't get.

It's been interesting to see the change in perspectives to the transgender over the years. When I was a kid I saw my mom watching some daytime interview show talking to Christine Jorgensen and that seemed terribly weird. And of course, most kids in school then were strict homophobes but even more, the notion of anal sex even with a girl just seemed really gross.

Then we went through the Crying Game shocker twist ending.

And in 2006 the internet had this classic thread: http://www.serboard.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=147464 regarding this piece of wallpaper: http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l337/darthwonka69/desktopiq4.jpg

And here we are, where for so many of us, we seem to finally be able to just say a huge "whatever", "be happy", and if Ogi is right, many many men are attracted to "shemale" porn.

I ran across another video a few months back, but I can't find it tonight, where a transgender porn star was giving a lecture on the same topic and explaining that in her experience too, the majority of fans of "shemale" porn were straight men.

Yeah. Every time I go to the porno site... I mean there's this thing online that someone told me about where you can choose "straight" or "gay" porn. When you click "straight" there is always a "tranny porn for straight guys" section.

Dingleberry Dickwad:TheDirtyNacho: Maybe that's just his kink. He wants her to be a lady in manner and masculine men don't do it for him. Completely reasonable if one views sexuality as a spectrum.

It's the whole bit where he keeps talking about how much he loves women that makes me think that. As if he's still trying to cover something up, or hasn't come to terms with liking both or liking trans and whatnot. Like the guy stuck in the closet that everyone knows or thinks is gay but always talks about how much he loves women.

cynicalminion:HairBolus: RoyBatty:Hey thought you might find this link interesting, two neuroscientists visit Google to explain why some men like "shemale" porn though they claim to be heterosexual and why women like twilight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p-A8GvUehq4

http://www.billionwickedthoughts.com/index.html

Thanks for that link. I watched all 48 minutes of Ogi Ogas's talk.

I've never really understood why so much supposedly heterosexual porn is almost exclusively focused on penises - if guys like dicks so much why don't they just watch gay porn? I've also never understood the shemale thing. Ogi says a lot of guys are strangely evolutionarily wired so that seeing cock makes them hot and almost all shemale fans are otherwise straight men.

The male porn audience also seems afraid of vulvas - they are mostly presented tamed - covered by a (masturbating) hand or mouth or punished by a penis - not proudly waved around like cocks. Maybe deep down men think vulvas are just wrong because they don't have a penis and seeing one gives them penis amputation anxiety.

skipping the "vagina dentata" thing (which only started AFTER i discovered anime, at which point i'd pretty much given up on that anyway) what bugs me is the shrieking. how is that "sexy"?

What always did it for me was that I really don't like Arby's all that much.

HairBolus:RoyBatty:Hey thought you might find this link interesting, two neuroscientists visit Google to explain why some men like "shemale" porn though they claim to be heterosexual and why women like twilight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p-A8GvUehq4

http://www.billionwickedthoughts.com/index.html

Thanks for that link. I watched all 48 minutes of Ogi Ogas's talk.

I've never really understood why so much supposedly heterosexual porn is almost exclusively focused on penises - if guys like dicks so much why don't they just watch gay porn? I've also never understood the shemale thing. Ogi says a lot of guys are strangely evolutionarily wired so that seeing cock makes them hot and almost all shemale fans are otherwise straight men.

The male porn audience also seems afraid of vulvas - they are mostly presented tamed - covered by a (masturbating) hand or mouth or punished by a penis - not proudly waved around like cocks. Maybe deep down men think vulvas are just wrong because they don't have a penis and seeing one gives them penis amputation anxiety.

what if said porn is a lesbian cheerleader gangbang using pom poms and a baseball bat?

TheReverendLei:PsiChick: Dingleberry Dickwad: You know, the dude could really have saved himself some trouble and just out and said that he's bisexual, or whatever instead of getting caught with transexuals and cross dressers to try and hide it. Sure there's folks out there that would look down on him for it, but not as many as will look down on him for being in denial and going for trans and the like. I'm not saying anything about any of that is wrong, just that people will look down on him for trying to hide it in cross dressers and so forth rather than just be open about everything.

Well...he's not. As far as I'm aware, there isn't a term for people who are attracted to transsexuals. He's not gay, he's not bisexual, he's not pansexual...there's no English word for his sexual orientation.

That said, dude, just say 'I'm into women and transsexuals' and move on.

According to WIKI: "People attracted to transgender people can identify as either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or with none of those categories. Terms for people attracted to transgender people includeadmirer,transfan,tammyfan,tranny chaser,trans* catcher,trans* erotic,transsensual,tranny hawk. the termtranny chaser was originally (and still predominantly) used to describe men sexually interested in pre-operative, but it is now being used by some as well. More recently, less pejorative terms such as and transattracted have emerged."

As someone who has a number of trans FtM and MtF friends none of those terms are good, Pansexual would come close or possibly non-gender-binary-influenced as a second if we need to place labels on people. I think you said it best, though crudely. This is not a flame or anything of the sort, just hoping to spread awareness. I appreciate your open-mindedness.

It's cool, I'm a linguistic nerd sometimes and I'm bisexual, so I'm interested in new terms. I think pansexual means attracted to all genders, though, including third gender--and I don't think transsexuals are (always?) third-gender.

/That's cool that you know all those terms, though.//I know you aren't flaming, I do the nerd-out-and-be-hyper-correct thing all the time--and my Anthro class is covering Gardenarian Wicca soon, and doing it horribly, gods help us all. :p

cynicalminion:saywhat: Very disappointed in subbys today. One of the most significant events in the history of mankind has occurred and there's been no mention of it on FARK. A man made object, Voyager I, has left the confines of our solar system! That's incredible!And FARK ignores it....very disappointing

V-ger is that which seeks the creator.

I'm sorry. I swore I'd never take advantage of a sexually immature species.

Quantum Apostrophe:hardinparamedic: Quantum Apostrophe: I hope there is equal thought given to people who think they are 25 in a 40 year old body, and that we should develop the medical technology to help these people.

About the same thought as you give to 3D Printing a Space Colony next year.

Which is more likely?

Both are more likely than you admitting you weren't just giving the crossdressing prostitute a ride to pick up 3d printer nozzles?