The Planet Kolob

Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work published by Latter Day Saint (LDS) prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne or residence of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a “star”,[1] it also refers to planets as stars,[2] and therefore, some LDS commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.[3] Other Latter Day Saints (commonly referred to as Mormons) consider Kolob to be a Christian metaphor.

Kolob has never been identified with any modern astronomical object and is not recognized as an ancient concept by modern Egyptology. Kolob is rarely discussed in modern LDS religious contexts, but it is periodically a topic of discussion in criticism of Mormonism. The idea also appears within LDS culture, and there is a LDS hymn about it. Kolob is also the inspiration for the planet Kobol within the Battlestar Galactica universe, created by Glen A. Larson, a Mormon.[4][5]

The Book of Abraham is not in the bible; its in the Book of Mormon. When I was in the LDS church 50 years ago we never used the bible; only the Book of Mormon. Now they are promoting the bible (at least on TV) to seem more mainstream. Personally Mormonism is non-Christian. Study it for yourself if you are interested.

The Book of Abraham is not in the ‘Book of Mormon’. It’s in the ‘Pearl of Great Price’, the other Joseph Smith publication alleging itself to be a translation of ancient Egyptian papyri. Smith purchased a pile of papyri from a traveling mummy salesman in Ohio and declared them to be long-lost writings by Abraham and Moses.

David,
It’s so cute that you want to talk about BOM, D&C and the Pearl like they are all different things. They all amount to the same thing and are often found within the same binding. Same binding = same book. The Great Mormon Book of Indoctrination. You even get footnotes so you can know how you are supposed to feel about the passages. The only LDS book worth it’s ink is the Hymnal, and only about half of it.

Funny would say get your facts straight when there is nothing factual about the POGP; it’s a farce as is the Book of Mormon written by a known criminal that had been arrested for fraud before dreaming up this fantasy.

To say that the mormons needed another book is to say that God was wrong when he used the disciples to write the Bible that Christians use today. Its a shame the mormons are blinded by their upbringing, too bad.

Bob, you say that Joseph Smith is a known Criminal and a Crook, when I doubt you have done any research on that fact. You would call a man who died for his beliefs a known Criminal. Does that make Governor Lilburn Boggs a hero? a man who drove men and women and children alike from their homes. Who laughed as he watched the bloody footprints of the innocent in the snow. How would you know if the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon were farces? have you read them? have you prayed about them? or are you just parroting the ideas of the masses?

Tesa, according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary, “Cult” is described as “a system of religious beliefs and ritual.” Therefore, does this term not apply to every religion known to mankind? What makes you say that it is a cult? There is baptism (also exists in other christian religions), there is sacrament (also exists in other christian religions), there is fasting (also exists in other christian religions) What exactly makes the “mormon” church a cult?

You only study the parts of the Bible that you are told are “translated correctly”. That is a cop-out to deny any verse that contradicts the church’s teachings. The church has had over 175 years to produce a “correct translation”, and they haven’t because they can’t. Your beliefs are as far off as KOLOB itself. Hope you find the truth, because it is not in Mormonism.

if any of you have a belief in god. and want to know the true get on your knees and ask god. and you will know the truth, cause god knows more then men,men make mistakes god does not,and if you don’t belief in god why are you commenting

I am Caleb from Kolob and I love shish-ka-babob. Everything I eat is on a stick including mens souls. I’ll fatten them with treats I serve from my factories such that everything is olfactory, satisfacory, and profitable. With the money I make I’ll start an army of idiots, stashing away today’s excess for tomorrows lack and make lack so…

Women beware for you are bound by dogma to be enslaved to simpletons who only stand up when told to do so. Liberty is the name of a whore and freedom is the path to the devil. Do as I say or be put aside like a lost shoe, not even worthy of Goodwill.

Kiss your babies and kiss your husband’s ass, be a slave to men’s great egos if you’re a Mormon, spread your legs and fly like an eagle to the sea but you (as a woman) will never be.

Where is your path you poor young girl? The difference between Beduism and Mormonism is in the spelling but the slavery is nevertheless socialism of the male state of bondage. Flee Utah, escape being a whore to religeon. Run, run, run, now, now, now. Those who predict apocalypse will never rest until they create the apocalypse they predict.

What does it profit a man to lose his sole to others and lose his room in Jesus’ heavenly castle? Mormonism is but Puritanism revived in a nation that doesn’t care as long as the rest of the apostates are not bothered by Mormonism’s noise.

Your pathetic attempt at a poem is a very uneducated piece of literature. I am an active Latter Day Saint in my 20′s. If you knew anything at all about our beliefs, you would know that our Prophets encourage women to get an education and reach personal goals. My husband does not dictate my life, I am perfectly capable of making decisions for myself. I most definitely do not kiss his “butt” or anyone else’s for that matter. I am HAPPILY married. I do live in Utah currently, but have no impetus to “flee” as you implied- because I am not a slave. I do not feel the need to get away from all the “oppression” I supposedly am under. I have an excellent career and am pursuing a masters degree, which competently demonstrates I am able to think for myself. I don’t have any kids, nor do I plan on having them due to a personal decision (oh wow…I just thought for myself again). Before you write anymore blasphemy, why don’t you educate yourself about our real beliefs. Call up our Missionaries nearby your residence- they dedicate two years of their life (by their own personal choice mind you) to help idiots like you try to see what our faith is about. I wish you good luck in your search for truth, because frankly you’re going to need it.

Idiot! I’m a Mormon woman, and slave to no man, or thing. You on the other hand are an idiot, idiot, idiot! I joined the church 23 years ago. The reason that I stay is because it’s true. My life has been filled with lots of hardships/ experience and have the right to believe what I choose. My daddy was a southern baptist golden gloves boxer. Watch yourself!

Mormons are very much Christians and they have always used the bible along with the book of Mormon. I know the bible is true because of my belief in the book of Mormon. Pray and ask God for yourself I know you will receive an anwser.

Actually in B. Young,s j of dis and other early LDS general authorities refured to the Christians as Gentiles. Not claiming to be a part of postate christianity. Alot has changed in the public LDS belief from original proclaimations.

To say that the mormons needed another book is to say that God was wrong when he used the disciples to write the Bible that Christians use today. Its a shame the mormons are blinded by their upbringing.

Wait. The bible as you know it is only a pieced together shell of what it once was. Many gospels were tossed in the ashcan at different times since antiquity, if scriptures didn’t jive with the political, spiritual or financial motivation of the ruling parties at the time.
Why would a perfect god lay down his law, only to give the humans that he is trying to help the authority to discern which lessons were to be included in the rule book, and which to deem heretical? This is a nonsensical approach.
Another thing: “I know that the bible is true because of my belief in the book of Mormon.” How does this make sense? Because you believe in item X, item Y is valid? I know that unicorns are real, because I believe in Santa. Equally logical.

Any so-called Christian group that does not believe that Christ Jesus is God; and in fact that the Holy Spirit is also God, as is God the Father (i.e., believe in the Holy Trinity – One God in three persons), is part of a cult. The belief in a Triune God is not an option for the Christian.
Mormons do not believe that Christ Jesus is God. LDS is a cult.

To anyone who thinks that mormonism is a Christian, you could not be more wrong. The mormon cult teaches a completely different Jesus Christ and a Completely different God to that of the Christian religion. Those are just 2 of many many reasons why mormonism is a cult. And for anyone who has an honest desire to understand the definition of a cult….you are not going to get it from secular dictionaries. Take some college level courses in religion and then you’ll understand why. At that point, you begin to realize that a true working definition for a religion versus a working definition for a cult is not that straightforward. However, the differences between the 2 become very clear when you understand the hallmarks of a cult and those hallmarks are what clearly define a cult. The mormon cult is just like the jehovah’s witness cult in that they were both created by criminals and con men who were simply making money from impressionable people through corrupting and perverting an existing religion. Religions create their doctrines as a result of scriptural research and interpretation. In that respect, a religion’s book(s)of scriptures comes first and then the creation of doctrines comes second. That is not the case with cults. Cults make up all their doctrines and teachings first and then they hijack a religion’s books of scriptures and twist them out of their original context to force them to mean things they really do not mean. This is a consistent tactic with all cults and that is how many cults have come into being claiming to be denominations of existing religions. In the case of mormonism, even the book of mormon does not support mormon teachings and doctrines. The con man Joseph Smith simply made up all the teachings and doctrines of the mormon cult and then tried to convince weak minded people that his money making con was also Christian. The book of mormon is simply a fiction book written by the con man Joseph Smith. He got most if not all of his ideas for the stuff that went into the book of mormon from fictional writings of others. One of the biggest influences that contributed to the book of mormon was a fictional book that Smith hijacked call “A View of the Hebrews”. The author of that book was writing a fiction book and the con man Joseph Smith stole most of the material from that book to create the fictional book that is call the book of mormon. And the book pearl of great price…..that is simply another collection of stuff that the con man joseph smith simply made up. Ya see folks…running a cult makes big money for those who are at the top and that is exactly what the founders of the mormon cult and the jehovah’s witness cult discovered once their movements had achieved a certain degree of momentum. If you could pick up your telephone and make a telephone call to Satan, he would probably let you know that he has the originators and founders of these 2 cults locked away in some very special dark place in hell.

Karen, obviously didn’t read the book of mormon or she would know thar Abraham is not one of the books in it. And mormons do believe in the king James version of the bible. The book of mormon is all about Christ. Our religion is on the life Jesus lead and that we should try to live our lives as much like him as we can. I have never been to church that everything is not surrounded around christ. So don’t say we aren’t christian, when everything we do is to live the commandments so we can be with our families and return to live with our savior and Our father in heaven. The Book of Mormon is another testiment of Jesus Christ, from people that kept records of there people and events that happened. So Karen take your own advice and read it. It’s interesting how many people can laugh and have lots of comments about Mormons, when they havent prayerfully read the Book of Mormon.

Teri, you have been fatally mislead. Read Galatians. Your salvation is a gift, apart from works. You cannot earn it because you can never be good enough. Does Mormonism have a check list? Are you sure that you have performed all of the necessary tasks to allow you to live with “Heavenly Father”? What if you miss one? When Christ died on the cross, he said, “It is finished.” The actual translation is, “The debt is paid.” He did it all. There’s nothing you can do. To believe that works will save you is denying the cross.
The Book of Abraham has been, irrefutably proven to be a bald faced lie, making your greatest “prophet” a liar. Joseph Smith did not count on one thing. That was the discovery of the Rosetta Stone, which allowed modern men to translate Egyptian hieroglyphs. His lie has been exposed, by numerous scholars. The “Book” is, actually, “The Book of Breathings” and is a funerary text from Egyptian myth. I could go on, about the absolute lack of one speck of archaeological proof that the people in the Book of Mormon existed in North America, the anachronisms such as the existence of steel and horses in Pre-Columbian North America and so on.
Teri, I am supposed to be gentle and respectful, but your religion is a lie from start to the inevitable horrifying end when Christ asks, “Who do you say that I am?” and you reply, “You are the spirit brother of Satan.” He will say, “Depart from me, for I know you not.”

Carla La Fong, we do believe in the atonement however was Christ himself not baptized by immersion in order to “fulfill all righteousness”? And prophesied unto Nicodemus saying “Verily I say unto thee, unless a man be baptized by water AND of the spirit he can in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven”…. Yes the atonement or as you put it “cross” can save us from our error if we look to Christ, however, not even you can believe that, that is the only thing needed to enter into the Kingdom of God

It is also interesting how many people can laugh and make comments who have prayerfully read the BOM. The Book of Mormon is not “from people that kept records of there people and events that happened”. There is NO evidence that those tribes who had horses (come on now, there were no horses in America until the Europeans came) and forged metal ever existed. DNA tests prove that NO native american tribe is related to the Israelites. I know it’s hard to hear and most people just dig in deeper, but it’s all a lie. Joseph’s plagiarized a book called “View of the Hebrews” (among others) which was published years before the BOM. The “Book Of Abraham” turned out to be a standard Egyptian death certificate that Joseph embellished into a whole crazy story. He was a conman, a very good one. He was so good that his con lived on long after he died.

Teri, I have read the Book of Mormon. It was drummed into my head from birth until I was 35, when I got smart enough to form my own opinions. The LDS Church conveniently has “revelations” when is politically expedient to do so. Case in point, the Church declared polygamy would no longer be allowed when Brigham Young discovered Utah could not become a state because of the belief in polygamy. But you can bet there will still be polygamy in the Celestial Kingdom where all the dirty old men can have as many young, pretty wives as they want. The younger the better. As Brigham Young said: “If they’re old enough to bleed, they’re old enough to breed.” Another case, is when the “Church” wouldn’t allow African Americans to hold the priesthood. When racism became frowned upon, the “Prophet” had a revelation that they should start letting African Americans hold the priesthood. The LDS is nothing more than a mind-bending corporation, after all the money it can drain from it’s members.

Check out your own articles of faith, mormons! #2 We believe the bom to be the word of god. We also believe the bible to be the word of god AS FAR AS IT IS TRANSLATED CORRECTLY. How and who decides which parts are ‘translated correctly?’ I too am an ex mormon and give God the glory for my deliverence from a religion based on lies. Wake up people and KNOW what you beieve.

Never understood how the”Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” could be called a “non-Christian” church. The Book of Mormon is a testament of Jesus Christ and confirms the that the teachings in the Bible are true. Mormons have always and still do study the Bible, even 50 years ago.

It’s simple, Ben. Any church can call themselves whatever they please. Saying it does not make it so. Christian Scientists are neither Christians or scientists, but they call themselves Christian.
The Book of Mormon does not prove the Bible to be correct, but the Bible does prove the Book of Mormon to be a lie. It is not a testament of Jesus Christ, it is a made up novel from a known and proven liar. See my other comment on the Book of Abraham, an utter and absolute lie perpetrated by Joseph Smith.
I defy anyone to show me one single, non Mormon, piece of archaelogical evidence to even suggest that the civilizations that Joseph the Liar claimed existed in the pre Columbian new world ever existed. Why are there absolutely no artifacts from the Hill of Cumorah where the BOM claims over one and a quarter MILLION people died in two battles, wearing armor and armed with steel swords, yet not a single sword (there was no steel in pre Columbian times,BTW)not a single piece of armor, not a bone fragment, nothing has been found? How do you justify Elephants in the Americas? The BOM is rife with anachronisms and outright nonsense that Keep Mormon “scholars” busy trying to explain them away. Why is the Bible not full of the same errors? Mormons claim the BOM is the most perfect book ever written. Why then has it been edited over THREE THOUSAND times??? Someone wasn’t very articulate or intelligent. It was either Joe Smith or “Heavenly Father”.

Carla, There is proof of Elephants in North America. There are artifacts in Oregon at a Museum in John Day. I’ve learned that people who ask for proof really don’t believe the proof given if they aren’t open to the possibilities. Is it truth that you are after, or just to prove others wrong?

Carla La Fong, and yet I perceive that you have not as much read this book unless with the sole intention of denouncing it, why approach this religion or this people with a contentious heart, you know as well as anyone that your words do not sway us to denounce our religion but you wish to stir us to anger, do you not see the devilish nature of your actions? You speak of Christ and yet your words are far from that of love and mercy, your words are of no avail here, neither will they ever be

The LDS Church News reported: “In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness [sic] of Times’” (June 20, 1998,)

The president of the Mormon church even claims that the Jesus they worship is not the same as the Christ of Christianity, therefore LDS is NOT a Christian religion. See Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.

The Book of Abraham is not in the Book of Mormon either. Mormons do use the Bible just as much as the Book of Mormon but the Book of Abraham is found in the Pearl of Great Price, another set of scripture also used by the LDS faith along with the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

Sorry to inform you that the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints has always since it’s foundation been Christian. Since most of the people know of the Bible and have not been acquainted with the book of Mormon we use the book of Mormon to help them know. We believe in both the bible as it is translated correctly and book of Mormon to be scriptures that testify of our Lord Jesus Christ and his Heavenly Father.

For what you saing , I do not think you were a mormon firt the book of Abraham is not in the book of mormon is in “The pearl of great price”. second We belive Jesuschris is our : savior , redeemer and judge. Third The bible is the word of God we dont put the word of God over any other book and if someone is interested study and ask God.

LDS (Mormons) DO USE THE BIBLE!!!! How can anyone who used to be LDS say LDS never use the Bible?! The Bible is studied and used all the time in the LDS church.
There have been surveys done on high school students and LDS high school kids know the Bible better than any other religious denomination!

It depends on what you think being a Christian means. To us it means that we believe in Christ. We do not worship Joseph Smith, nor do we seek to worship anyone else except the true and living God and His son Jesus Christ. You have no proof that Mormons aren’t Christian. In fact, the Book of Mormon overwhelmingly mentions Christ and his workings and wonders in the Americas. We have always believed in the Bible, the King James
Version anyway, as well as the Book of Mormon. Like you said, “Study it for yourself.” Only then will you be able to come to a full knowledge of our beliefs.

I was born into the church 55 years ago. The first thing I read was the bible – if you were a member for 50 years surely you have the complete book set where they are all bounded together (bible and book of Mormon)? Im confused by your statement that you never read the bible? Its the church of JESUS CHRIST of latter-day saints. Why wouldn’t you read at least the new testament? Obviously you didn’t pay attention in church. The book of Mormon is not more important than the bible – its just another scripture. It really pisses me off when people talk crap. Get your facts right mate, any idiot knows that the bible is a scripture and is important. And you obviously don’t understand the word CRISTIAN if you don’t think Mormons are Christian.

The book of Abraham is not part of the Book of Mormon, it is one of two books of the Pearl of Great Price along with the Book of Moses.
I have been in the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints since 1972 and the Bible, both old and new Testaments are taught in Sacrament meetings, Sunday School in rotation with the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, The Pearl of Great Price along with Church History. The Holy Bible has always been part of the Holy Scriptures of the LDS Church as best as I know. The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints is the only ” True Church ” on this earth because the Deity has chosen to restore the Priesthood to the earth through Prophets and Apostles who have been called to prepare the earth for ” The Second Coming of our Lord and Savior JESUS, WHO is the CHRIST ” . Please bring all you have that is good and come join us in this great work of The Plan of Salvation. The calling of Latter-day Prophets and Apostles has brought the Church and people out of The Dark Ages and into the marvelous Light of JSSUS CHRIST our LORD.

Karen—you must be having a brain freeze.The Mormon church has from day one has used and quoted the Bible. The Book of Mormon is another witness of Jesus Christ. And for those who have been misinformed—theBook of Abraham is in the Pearl of Great Price, not the Bible.

Nor does my Bible have the book of Abraham. It does not belong in the Bible. It cannot be found in the Hebrew or the Greek. Mormonism is a cult but in recent years have tried to make themselves look like genuine Christians.

Folks; “It is what it is” all of these Religions have origins when mankind was less educated. If one is able to seperate ones self from past indoctrination, which almost always occurred at a very young age, one would see the absurdity in all of theses “made for profit and control” belief systems. So I pose this to you; rather then argue one Vs the other religion, argue why mankind has clung to these illogical, absurd, & higharchical belief systems!

Stacy…perhaps you should take your own advice. If you are going to trash talk a person’s poor grammar, make sure your own house is clean. You typed “somebodies.” In this case, it should be “somebody’s.”

Yes, but your thesis doesn’t apply to Mormonism, a religion born in the 19th century. That’s not that long ago.

Also, while all religions may be based on false premises, it’s clear to me that there can be no equivalency when it comes to the threat they pose to contemporary society. Both an fundamentalist, male Islamic cleric Iran and a liberal female Episcopalian minister may be religious, but I know which one I’d rather have having some say in my culture.

I begin to think the human race is evolving into two separate races: The religious believers & politically gullible (mostly RW) on one side of the fork; enlightened, nonreligious (or irreligious), critical-thinking on the other. Be a few hundred years before anyone will know whether that is actually happening. Wish I could know whether it does.

There is a difference when this religion is based on a language that does not exist, that came from golden plates that did not exist which were translated with special glasses that never existed that were given to Joseph by an Angel that never existed.

God says in the Bible not to add to His Word, nor take away from it. (Deut 12:32, Rev 22:19) Mormons do just that. They follow a false prophet, Joseph Smith, who the Bible also warns us about (Matt 7:15). And they’ve written books to prolong these false beliefs and call them a “supplement” to the Bible.

Look, the truth is the truth. There is only One God (Mormons believe there are tons and tons of gods, and they can become a god). God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are 3-in-1 (John 1:1). They are not 3 separate entities that are the same in will. Jesus is NOT Lucifer’s brother. Lucifer was an archangel that was cast out of heaven when he tried to exalt HIMSELF over God which is when he became Satan (Isaiah 14:12-17). And he has been trying to deceive man ever since. How convenient for him to deceive Mr. Joseph Smith so he could lead millions of people astray…..

Just because people “claim” to know who Jesus is (“Hey look, it’s in our name, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints!”) doesn’t mean they do. They are not Christians, and they are seriously misled.

Now do we judge them and call them bad people, insult them, and spew hate on them? No way! We are called to love everyone. But we do educate, so people can make informed decisions on what their belief system is, and we expose the enemy’s schemes to further indoctrinate people into false beliefs.

Which is the one God? Zeus? Odin? Jupiter? Brahman? Vishnu?, Shiva…or any of the other 2500 or so? Why are there nearly 50,000 versions of Christianity? Why can’t your “perfect” God give us a simple set of instructions that are relevant to the modern day so that people can stop maiming and killing each other because they feel their imaginary friend is better than yours? It’s just ridiculous.

Yeah. A more modern text:
Thou shalt not eat dinner and check Facebook at the same. Cell phones should be modestly dressed or the owner shall suffer the pains of gaudy plastic hell. Challenge not the Cloud out loud. Respect the Home URL as is your primary connection to the lord’s websites. Do not mix anti-depressants before 6 pm and your first beer.

You are totally mistaken Bella and I pity those who agree with you. First you have to understand that the Bible is a collection of books and not just 1 book. It consists of several books compiled into 1 from Genesis to Revelation. Now let us analyze the verses you have said in Deut 12.32 and Rev 22:19… Now you said, that because those verses have written that we should not add or take away from it (the Bible) you are condemning mormons to be guilty of just doing that because we have the Book of Mormon as other volumes of scriptures and many others as the Lord had directed His prophets to write in addition to the Bible? Now, consider Deuteronomy and Revelation. Those are entirely different books. The first was written by the hands of Moses and the Latter is written by the hands of John. Now if the words don’t add nor take away from was written in Deuteronomy which is the book of the Old testament times, there should be no books following that until the book of Revelation. If that’s the case, the Bible should contain only Genesis to Deuteronomy. You also have stated that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost is just only one person and that we are wrong in believing that They are three separate and disctinct personages working in unity to each other. Now, tell me, your God prays to himself as his father self while our God speaks and prays to His Father in Heaven and ascended up to Him and had His eternal life with Him. Now which is ridiculous? You are speaking blasphemy my friend if you say that God the Son is just speaking to himself when He prayed to His Father who is just Himself. That is foolish my friend. Now read Romans 12:5 – that verse is exactly the same meaning of the oneness of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. You also said that it is wrong for us to believe that we as God’s children could become like Him (a God). Now consider and ponder these verses as I have included several times in my previous and later posts. Psalms 82:6 “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” and Philippians 2:6 “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be bequal with God:”. In the first verse I cited it is clear that we are called gods because we are the children of the Most High and in the second scripture I cited, it was said that it is not robbery to be equal with God… Now what do you say now? Can you refute that? Your Bible and my Bible should be saying the same thing. IF your Bible does not, then you must be the one guilty of what is being said in Deut and Revelation about adding and taking away from. We are using the authorized version or the King James Version of the Bible. We don’t have our own version of the Bible. If you have you own version then, you must be thinking by now… And lastly, you said that you don’t judge us, hate us, and insult us? The very words you have posted against us is the evidence that you don’t make proper judgements, and you have shown disrespect with our beliefs. Your church is indeed not the church of Jesus Christ. Your church is the church of contention and blasphemy toward God. If you say I don’t respect your beliefs then I say, did you just do that to mine? Why should I to yours? Sorry, but I have to be straightforward now.

Your entire religion was started by a convicted conman (joseph Smith) based only on one more of his cons. Dna has now proven that We native Americans are NOT decendants of the jews or hebrews, which is the basis of your cult. The fact(?) that the book of Mormon tells of civilizations here that had iron bronze horses cattle sheep and much else are totaly a myth. Not one relic of those civilizations have ever been found even though they were less than 2000 years old. Not one bone button or spearpoint, not one fossil has ever been found. TOTAL FRAUD! And futher more to use and classify Native American as inferior to you is disgusting and ungodlt. What about we are all gods Children?

I just want to clarify to you brother Larry that the people that was spoken of in the Book of Mormon are not of the tribe of Judah or what you call Jews. They are of the tribes of Joseph under Ephraim. We knew as it is written in the Bible that the tribes of Joseph is as a fruitful bough and that his seed will be migrated into many lands (see Genesis 49:22). There were group of people who first came to the Americas before the Nephites and the Lamanites civilizations emerged. They are called the Jaredites. This group of people are also of the tribe of Joseph under Ephraim and not of the tribe of the Jews or Judah. The origin of native americans according to DNA studies resembles of those who lived in the Altai Mountain regions which is part of Asia. The family of Jared before they migrated to ancient america lived in mountain regions. You will be able to read their account in the Book of Mormon in the Book of Ether. Also, referring to horses and other domesticated animals. I want to inform you that Joseph Smith Jun. did not create the Book of Mormon. He translated it. In translating the book, he uses languages that he and other people would understand. The original language of the book may have referred to animals that resembles that of a horse we know. Joseph Smith Jun. may have used the term horses to describe those animals but should not be thought of as horses that we know now. There were animal names that wasn’t translated into english text like cureloms and cumoms that was spoken of in the book of Ether in the book of Mormon(Ether 9:19). The reason for this is that Joseph Smith might not have an exact idea of what do they look like so he just left it as it is written in the original text. So mind your studies well brother. The Book of Mormon has history to tell about your nativity.

A few points. The Revelation passage is specific to the context of the reveleation John received and the Deuteronomy passage is specific to the commands God gave Moses. Neither is referring to the adding or taking away from the Bible per se. That being said, the book of Mormon is definately not inspired scripture (as is clear by its carrying over translation errors from the KJV which it partially copied among other obvious reasons).
As to the other passages mentioned. Ps. 82 and Jesus’ reference to it is not remotely referring to any ascendency of man to godhood. The word translated “god” is refering to humans in position of judgement. Jesus’ use of the reference is a rebuke of the religious leaders of his day and is set in contrast to His absolute right to judge with righteousness as He is claiming to be God in that passage. His claim by the way is not that he became God, but that he is God eternally (He stated “before Abraham was born I AM”). The Philippians passage is also not teaching any kind of ascendancy, it is highlighting the choice that Christ made as God to set aside some of his rights/priveleges to take the form of a man in humility and accomplish our atonement. Again, He was God before, during, and after coming to earth.
Whatever else is said about Mormonism it is most certainly not Christian based on its erroneous Christology.

I totally agree with you brother.JESUS said that any that would see the kingdom of GOD,”MUST BE BORN AGAIN”.Herein lies the problem.All biblical scripture given is inspired by GOD.All that would understand therefore must be born of the SPIRIT of GOD,who inspired it.The natural man cannot understand the th ings of GOD,because they are spiritually understood.Being born again of the SPIRIT is essential to the believer.See JOHN chapter 3vs5-7./1st.peter chapter 1vs.23

You made a totally wrong analysis and assumptions my brother. You are diverting the discussions into a total void or trying to mislead people by your words. It is true as I have stated in my post that Deuteronomy passages is specific to its own context as well as the Revelation passages. What are you trying to clarify brother? You are saying that both passages is not referring to adding away or taking away from where it is very clear that it was stated in those two different books. What bible are you using then? You are trying to cover your lies with partial truth as I can see it. Regarding Psalms 82 that you were trying to refute by your shallow understanding of the passage. That verse clearly states that the speaker refers to the children of the Most High which is not only those who are in position of power or judgement. If you mean to say that God only refers to man in position then you are discriminating those who are not in those position being of lesser nature and should not be considered as children of the Most High who has the capacity to become like Him as their Ultimate Father. As a Latter-day Saint, I believe and I know also that Jesus Christ is a God before He was born and at the same time He were,is and was distinct in person and body from His Father not the Father and the Son in a single person. He is the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New. Under the supervision of God the Father, Jesus Christ or Jehovah acts as the Word of God’s power in fulfilling all of God’s words and commands. Under God’s instructions and supervision, Jesus Christ or Jehovah created worldS without number see John chapter 1. Jesus Christ is the Eternal I am which He affirmed by saying “before Abraham was I am”. God the Father and His Son is acting in unity with each other to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. We will become like Them for we will see Them as they Are. One evidence that God and His Son are two personages distinct to each other will be found in the account of the creation of man where God is speaking or having counsel with the other One. Read this Gen 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” and this verse also Gen 3:22 “And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:” Take note of pronouns US and OUR which denotes no singularity. The other verse refers to man as becoming like the Gods who are speaking due to partaking of the fruit of knowledge between good and evil. Therefore it is clear that man has been given a potential to become like God after the fall for if it is not, then what’s the substance of Christ’s statement by commanding us to become perfect as He and His Father who is in heaven is perfect? This is also the evidence that shows a clear meaning of what John in John 1:1 said that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God. The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus Christ was with God the Father during the creation of this world. They are not one in person but one in their works and purpose. Two distinct personages and two Gods who demonstrated to mankind on how to become perfect like Them who are in heaven are perfect. We must become like them. A God! This should made my statements clear. A sane person would understand it very very clearly. I as a Mormon knows what we say and believe and that it is consistent with what is written in the Bible.

Angie, there is book titled, What’s Going On In There? By Chuck Sackett. It is the verbatim text of the motmon temple rituals annotated and explained by a former temple worker. Most mormons, don’t know ‘what’s going on in there’ because they aren’t found worthy (by a mere man) to go in there. It’s disgusting!

I’m LDS. The temple ceremonies preformed aren’t secret or kept hidden. It’s just really really sacred and we would rather not throw our pearls before Swine.. Why would they respect what we hold true in our temples when they already disrespect us outside of them? We believe that the house of The Lord should be treated with reverence. If you really want to know contact the church through the missionaries. And to everyone else.. Just soften your heart and mind. I have a testimony and I believe the Book of Mormon. Wether you believe it or not that is your choice and no one is forcing you. But attacking other’s beliefs without background or incorrect research isn’t very honorable and is considerably rude.

The Temple is a Sacred place for members in good standing. If you want to go to the Temple, you must come join us and be a member is good standing to go to the House of the Lord, The Holy Temple. It is not secret but a sacred place, a taste of Heaven on Earth.

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Jaina says:

Can I leave a comment on this? We believe that the angel Moroni led Joseph Smith to the Book of Mormon. He then, with a divine tool, translated it into English. Joseph Smith didn’t write them. Only found them. We only believe in God the Father, his son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Not tons of gods. There is another block of scriptures(St. Mark 1:9-11)that talks about Jesus being baptized. When he rises up from the water, the spirit descends as a dove and God says, “This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased.” All three of them are there at the same time, as separate beings. No offense meant here, but how can you believe that they are only one being when they are all separate right there in the bible? What we believe is that we were all the spirits of heaven, and our Father(God) created a plan we call the Plan of Salvation. It involved going to an earth that we would be tested on, and receive mortal bodies on. We would be able to make our own choices and learn from our mistakes. It also involved a Savior who would redeem our sins and die for us. Two people volunteered. Jesus Christ wanted to obey God and follow his plan. He wanted to give him the glory. Lucifer also volunteered. However, he wanted to force every one to be righteous and take all the glory for himself. So God had a vote. A third of the spirits went with Lucifer. They were cast out with him as his helpers. So not only is Lucifer Jesus’ brother, but our brother. He hates us because we have mortal bodies and free agency. He was deprived of those things because of the sin he committed. We do know who Jesus Christ is. Why wouldn’t we? We believe he is our Savior and he died that we may live in heaven again. It’s okay that you didn’t know that about our religion, because unless you have received lots of classes about it, like at our church every Sunday, how would you know? No offense was meant in this; I just wanted to inform you what we believe and why. If you read the book of Mormon with the sincere question “Is this true?” in your heart, you will find out for yourself.

Just so that you are aware, this “divine tool” you are speaking of was simply a stone that he placed into his hat. He would put his face into the hat and have someone else in the room, always on the other side of the curtain act as scribe, while the precious golden plates sat on a table and weren’t even being used during this “translation”. So a translation is taking a work in another language, reading it and changing the language, not making crap up from within a hat. This is the exact same process he used before in his youth, while conning farmers and even his own family out of money. He would say he could lead them to treasures, so he would put his face into the hat and look at his little stone. He never and I emphasize NEVER EVER found any treasure. You can argue against this all you want but the truth is, it is contained in the volumes of Church History. Another thing, Joseph proclaimed that his work was never to be changed, that his doctrines were correct. Why then has the BOM been changed so many times, entire passages changed to fit into modern society? Because the leaders knew people were getting smarter, they knew they had to keep up the lies. Joseph also proclaimed along with Brigham Young that there were “Moon Men” who resided on the moon. They were 6 feet tall and looked like quakers. We’ve been to the moon how many times and have never seen these “Moon Men”. Most of his prophecies turned out to be false, the bible tells us that by false prophecies we can judge prophets to know of their truths. Did you know that Joseph Smith and many of his higher up mason brothers used the Doctrine of polygamy to F*** and marry many VERY young women against their will. The youngest I’ve heard was 14. They would force men to let their wives be married, even if they had to kill the husbands first. This is all in the Church History. Joseph himself had many wives long before he declared this doctrine, or even before he told his own wife. I understand how you feel, I am LDS aswell and have come upon these truths. I was under the brainwash until I entered my first temple ceremony and became scared/curious of the symbols used being equally like those of the Masons, which I later found out Joseph Smith was a Mason just days before he created the Temple Endowment. People can argue one way or another. Yes we are ALL children of GOD weather your black, Indian, Asian, White…Gay, straight…etc. We should love one another equally but the only people I EVER see not doing this is the Mormons. They hate Gays and Blacks. They can’t stand even being equal to their brothers and sisters of this world so they proclaim that they “white men” will be Gods after this life, but the rest of you, our “equal” brothers of another color will live in a lesser kingdom. You might not believe in more than one GOD but you think you will be one even after God states in the Bible that he is the only God before, now and forever. Its ok, we can argue both sides all day, but do yourself a favor and look into the Church History manuals and Journal of Discourses and find out for yourselves about the truthfulness of Joseph Smith and stop praying for these warm fuzzies and listening to testimonies of other equally uneducated brainwashed Ward “family” members. The first sign your brainwashed is that you can’t think for yourself. We love you and only want to tell you about these things because we are concerned for your welfare. Open your mind, you might be surprised at what you find.

Actually, in both Deut and the Book of Revelations, the part about “not adding to” refers to those books alone. One must remember that both the Old Testament and the New Testament are a collection of books and were not put together as “the Bible” until very recently in history. Both Moses and John the Revelator wrote other books AFTER they said not to “add to” the above mentioned. And of course many other prophets also wrote books. If you know anything about history and especially how the books in the Bible came to be in our modern version of scripture, you wouldn’t make such a ridiculous argument. Do you really think that John the Revelator was saying that no other scriptures could be ” added” to a Bible that didn’t yet exist? When he himself hadn’t yet written the Gospel according to John? And of course Moses lived about 1400 years before Christ and the appostles. Surely he didnt mean that no one could add further revelation or we wouldnt have any scripture after the book of Deuteronomy. So if these prophets could write and ” add to” why couldn’t God command other prophets to write other books of scripture?

Joseph smith is not a false prophet. He is a true prophet of god. I joined the church three months ago. Our church is not a cult. I know for a fact that the book of mormon is true. And i have never been happier

The funny thing is you don’t know for a fact. Where are these facts? Because many many “FACTS” have come about that the church doesn’t like so they buy up evidences and lock them in church vaults. I too recently came into the church, but before its too late and you enter into the Temple to partake of “sacred” freaking creepy covenants, look into the actual Church History volumes found at your local library.

Interpreting the bible that way, then the Old Testament should be the only scripture to believe. Revelations and Matthew are in the New Testament, which was added to The Old Testament after Deuteronomy. Therefore, according to what you are saying, the scripture in Deuteronomy would be the only scripture to pay attention to, and that would make The New Testament according to you, null and void

I understand what you are saying. Please understand that the Bible is not a complete set of scriptures. In revelation the writer speaks of 7 seals to be opened in the latter days to help Christians in their endurance. How would you know if a book or papyrusthat aappeared belonged to God and was meant for everyone to partake of. Read it then pray about it. God if you believe in him would not betray you. Whether you believe him to be 3 separate entities or one.

I’m a Mormon myself; lets’ have a look at what you said. I am in no way mocking or criticizing you; just want to clarify and thank you. There is truth in what you said.

1. These scriptures are based accurate by those who translate them according to their desires. What’s that saying? “As far as translated correctly”. It also doesn’t imply Joseph Smith is the person in question. We never know for certain unless we pray and ask.

2. “Tons and tons of Gods”. You are correct, but not. We believe we can become as God is. “As man is God once was. As God is, man can become.” We believe in three separate beings. When the scriptures talk about ‘one’ God, they refer to one in purpose, mind. Like the same agenda so-to-speak. We also believe that we are all sons and daughters of God (The Father), all Family. I feel as if I’m off topic. Christ is a God, like the Father, but not greater. With the same purpose: “This is my work and my Glory, to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.” This is achieved through Christ as us being here is a part of Christ’s plan. The ‘Plan of Salvation”, which was presented to fulfill the word of God before the foundation of the world.
My apologies for the ‘deep doctrine’.

3. Personally I can say that I didn’t know Christ, have a relationship with Him for years. I was raised in the Church, but took it for granted. I myself am a convert. We all are one time or another. We take upon the name of Christ because we believe in Him. It’s honoring what He did for us. Is it any different than being called a Christian? They take upon them the name of Christ.

Bella,you worshipper of Molech and Ashtoret,your vain comment has displayed your daft nature.How dare you dictate the meaning of God’s words?.Keep on your stupidity and you shall die the second death.You vile swamp witch with maggots hanging from your teeth in your mouth full of grim.You don’t know it but you are the one who is blind.You insult the Prophet Joseph Smith,What about that Chupacabra you call your Christain leader in that Illuminati-member infested church of yours.If you were in ancient Egypt,you would probabbly have been cast out into the desert to dwell with the demons,were you belong,because the inhabitants of Egypt would have beheld your grotesque appearance,not fit for this world and would have thought that you were a rejected sacrifice to the Gods.You shameless whore whom all the men/lesbians/transexuals/bi’s,and even animals?!(wowwow!,you must really be an STI-carrying demon-monkey by now!) in your habitat(cause you know you are lower animal,and are not fit to be called human) have tasted,better find something more worthwhile to do with that empty void you call your life and stop putting on the persona of a holy maiden which you are far from,you disgusting daughter of Jezebel!!!.

Hey, I am probably entering this whole argument thing kind of late. And I’d like to clear up a bit of the misconceptions as per my own interpretation via your references to the bible. I believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) are separate being with a common will. Look at Matthew 3. In verse 16 and 17 it states “And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” While Jesus was being baptized, they heard the voice of God and felt the spirit decent like a dove. And if that lacks proof, try looking at Luke 22: 39-44 which says “And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him.
40 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation.
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.” Jesus himself is praying, asking his father (God) to remove this cup (the coming crucifixion) from him, while an angel came to comfort and strengthen him (can be taken as the Spirit sometimes referred to as a comforter). Now there is going to probably arise the argument about when Jesus proclaimed that he was the God of Moses, who lead them out of captivity from Egypt. And interpret that as you like, but there is evidence supporting the LDS interpretation of the Trinity as well that I’ve just stated. As for the Lucifer thing, that can be taken in a few ways. One is as you describe, Lucifer being an archangel trying to acend to a higher throne, and another that is different. The other is that Isaiah was using the Morning Star as a metaphor for the King of Babylon (the city being talked of extensively in that chapter). And if you bother to do your research, you will find that the latter is more likely because the reference of the Morning Star is found in Canaanite mythology.

It isn’t whether one idea is right or wrong because they could both be right. It could be 3 in one, or it could be 3 of one. Lucifer could be the brother of Jesus, or he may not be. The latter would depend on how you decide to interpret the word brother. I have a friend that I consider a brother, even though we have no common relatives with eachother. Don’t go bashing on one interpretation without looking at your own with the thought of common logic. Does it make sense that one person of sound mind would ask them self if they could do something else, rendering to them self as “father”? But, the proclamation that he was the God of the Jews during their time in captivity may be proof for another idea. All the teachings are the same or at least very similar, but have different interpretation.

Was Nostradamus a prophet? seems like people take his visions as prophecy…Yet a white uneducated person with no knowledge of another race let alone another continent can have a visitation by angel and then translate a diary of their lives and existence with christ!? explain that.. people will always criticize and discriminate against things they dont understand.

I think most of you are missing or lacking something in your lives, religion is not the answer but an escape. Regardless of what the scriptures say you will never be satisfied and it will always be interpreted the way you want to see it. If you truely seek knowledge just ask and it will be given to you. The BIble or the Book of Mormon will not be open to you unless you want to see what its really saying to you. When you are ready you will know what you are reading is the truth!
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I mean no disrespect, but sharing the link to the “source documents” about Kolob only proves the “rumors” are fact. I know it may be embarrassing to the LDS church to admit their true beliefs, but to be honest, maybe it’s true. Maybe the so called God of the original Bible was simply from another planet in another solar system, in a galaxy far, far away. All “religion” seems ridiculous when you really think about it. Still, maybe that is all “God” was, a leader, or ships captain, that traveled to ancient Earth trying to teach us how to NOT destroy each other. Well, it isn’t working.

According to the Book of Abraham, one of the LDS scripture. Kolob was set by the Lord to be the governing one and is the first creation or the first star that was created. Therefore, if Kolob was set to be the governing one, it should be at the midst of all things or should I say, the center of all. The Milky way galaxy has its center where all other stars in our galaxy revolves. Therefore, if Kolob was set as the governing one, then it should be found at the center and that center is the core of the Milky way galaxy. God’s residence will be found at the center of the Milky way galaxy. You may find our beliefs ridiculous but to us it is not for it was revealed by God himself to the prophets. It is no wonder that ancient people during Christ’s time called Jesus Christ as lunatik or someone who is crazy. But to all who believed on Him, his doctrine is pure and amazing. We believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has pure religion.

Yes, it has been shown that the center of most large galaxies contains a super large black hole, probably the reason that galaxies even exist, spinning around that center of gravity. If God can make a starship that can escape that, God doesn’t really need a starship at all… which seems about right.
I wonder if god’s residence has a nice toilet. If so, can she keep that awful ring from developing inside it?

Step 1: When man could not explain lightning in the sky and floods on land, man came up with the idea that an all powerful being(or several) must be responsible.

Step 2: Someone figured out there was money and power to be gained by acting as if THEY were a conduit to this all powerful being(s).

Step 3: Globally the greed in man created multiple religions so that the money and power could be harnessed around the globe.

Step 4: The Johnny come lately religions(LDS etc.) show up 1,800 years after the party, trying to carve their piece of the pie (predominantly in the relatively new territory of the United States, as not to challenge the European organized religions) and force tithing, recruiting(called missions) and other ridiculous ideas.

Step 5: Scientology…..won’t even go there, too easy

As time goes on, man is evolving either away from the ridiculous notion of one individual being responsible for the entire solar system or spiraling completely into the insane and occult.

Organized religion is a sham, it may have good moral lessons, but so does Aesop’s Fables….and I ain’t praying to good ol’ Aesop

Jack – I just happened to pop on the internet looking for more fun history on the mormons, kolob, even the word cracks me up. I also wanted to confirm the issue about racism which really irks me about being of color and you are not allow into “their” heaven! What?? That should stop anyone right there from wanting anything to do with that crap. More hate, just what we need. But your comments on the probability of how all this came to be in regards to religion are just so exact. No matter how you look at it and how we got here and what the heck happened. This is how “Man” is and will continue to be. We will figure how to control it & make a buck off of it at not care who gets harmed even though they claims that sacrifices must be made in the name of progress or to show our respect for a higher power. And Wow those biblical times were busy with sacrifices…yikes…and testing of the old faith. Lovely stories you want to be reading to your children. I think not. I love how they tidy up the Noah’s Ark story as a kiddie book. Let’s destroy ALL the animals but two and All the people but Noah and his family because the world is so corrupt and float a cute boat around with all the cute animals while the rest of the world drowns. Nice huh? Must be Disney! Yes, it is all nuts. Thank you for your very refreshing and simplistic summation. When my family ask me why I no longer partake of the so called “organized religion”, I will just have your intelligent donation printed on a business card and hand it out in hopes they still have comprehension skills. I usually just tell them that I follow the teachings of George Carlin & had to boil it down & more on to make sense. I believe if just 20% of the people that waste those hours just sitting in church or whatever they do “doing nothing” would actually spend that time going to a shelter, helping out, walk across the street to sit with a lonely neighbor. Take a meal to an elderly person that has very little & no family. Stop by a nursing home & visit with some of the residents so they have a better day. Write a check to the Red Cross, volunteer with the Special Olympics. Just stop doing nothing & helping. What a thought. And before I get attacked, YES, my hubby and I do ALL those things. Religion is self absorbed and helps no one but yourself. The Vatican COULD fund World Peace but they hoard and control. They were first in line when the first lightening hit and still are. Yes, catholic charities. Why do they have to be catholic. Here is your sandwich but you have to pray first before we feed you. Yes, I am going nuts here but that is what the craziness of it all does. Just stop and be good people and take care of each other. If you get to Kolob, please send me a postcard. Thanks Jack!!!!!

Aren’t we all going to have a good laugh if we end up in heaven together — or not, LOL — but if religious beliefs help a person be more loving, then it’s a win-win. I work with a lot of Mormons, and a kinder, more moral bunch of young men you would be hard pressed to find anywhere. I personally think the whole Joseph Smith thing is a bit far-fetched, but I wasn’t around to know if it’s fact or fiction. I wasn’t around to know if Mary was “ever virgin” either. I don’t get the point of fighting about stuff that really isn’t a big deal in the scheme of things. If a religion focuses on hate and killing and destruction, it’s not cool. If it’s about love, I’m diggin’ it, even if I don’t want to practice it. Peace out.

Exactly Aaron, God is a burning glory that no mortal man can behold. This is why it is covered with interstellar dusts to protect us from the core’s intense radiation. Astronomers had also believed that there are millions or even billions of earths like this that may be inhabited by man who has the same image as we are created in the image and likeness of our Ultimate Father. Christ’s had said that He had created worlds without number. Many worlds have come anew and many have already passed. It was also known and discovered that other galaxies also existed. Paul said “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are dall things, and we by him.” 1 Cor 8:5-6

The other galaxies we see are not the creation of the Father of our spirits but a creation of other gods who also resides at the center of each respective galaxies that has been discovered. Each has it’s own Kolob at its center respectively. But as Paul said, there is to us only but one God and one Lord who is the literal Father of our spirits and one Jesus Christ who atoned for us. In other words we may say that there are other mortal fathers on earth who has their own children and family but to us there is only one mortal father and mother who biologically begets us. I Hope it makes sense. The Kingdom of God is composed of family units… Exalted family units. God also on the other hand wants us to attain exaltation and become like Him. God has created us for that purpose. Our families, they are eternal, they should be sealed together as families forever so we will be able to return to God’s residence as families and start to beget spirit children and create our own galaxies where we may create worlds for our spirit children to live on and get their physical bodies and pass the same ordeals that we had passed through. “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” Psalms 82:6… Paul also said “Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.” Therefore, to become like our Father in Heaven, we should take our wives with us as we return to Him. Because without her, we will never have spirit children and will never have eternal increase of posterity. As God promised to our father Abraham, that He will multiply his seed that will be more than the sands of the sea or even the stars in heaven. I don’t want to have a wife who will only lasts until death. I want to have a wife who will be forever with me even in the next life and forever. This is the great plan of God and this is the reason why He created our galaxy. To provide a place for us and all His children throughout the galaxy. Christ said, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” John 14:2. The mansions he says will be found at the core of our galaxy. We call them the Celestial Kingdom. There are many things and many mysteries that God had already revealed to His prophets that we because of our unbelief had remained unresolved and undiscovered. God wants us to know all things but learning all things is a lifelong process that even our short life at this stage of our infinite existence is not enough for us to know it all. There are many things that are still to be known even beyond death and resurrection. Eternal life is eternal progression.

Regardless what some of you think or believe when you meet your maker you’ll be set straight. Shouldn’t disregard someone’s belief to rubbish. I will love and respect everyone’s opinion. Doesn’t mean I have to make fun of it or believe it.

All religions are weird. But Mormonism is the weirdest of them all. Baptizing the dead? Everyone can become god? Planet called Kolob where Mormons go after death? Oh, c’mon. You can give Ron Hubbard a run for your money.

You are a numbnut sherman. With what you believe in, I got to believe that you have some type of mental illness. Mormonism is the biggest fraud perpetrated on people as a religion that I have ever heard of. I have read about the history of Mormonism and it’s founding. I have also read about the likes of the “reverends” of your religion such as Jeffrey Don Lundgren and the last pervert arrested and jailed for having sex with all the young girls. It would take a very, no, extremely weak mind to believe ANYTHING about Mormonism. That is why I can not see how anyone would vote for a Mormon for president! Your sick shermie. You need to seek professional help, and not on the planet Kolob or Krypton or any of those fictional places you believe actually exist.

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Bina says:

wow, so that’s why the god of Moses, commanded that “thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
seems to me that the old testament is full of some very mean & horrific violence and that god even helped the “chosen” to smite and annihilate lots of other people. seems like the 10 commandments and even the teachings of jesus have not, to this day, stopped the blood letting. makes me wonder whether god promoted these acts or did the chosen people of each religion create a god to satisfy their own predatory nature? interestingly, i don’t recall the Buddha ever asking to be worshiped or condemn anyone. guess that’s the difference between a philosophy on how to live your life and a religion where the word of god is interpreted by a select few, men and requires strict adherence. of course there are other philosophies besides Buddhism that help people to live more compassionate, mindful lives.

God is so silly!!! It would be so much easier if he just came down and gae a mass speech to everybody, instead of righting it in a special “god language” on some gold tablets that have never ever been seen by anyone except Joe Smith!
Silly silly god!!

If there is one “scripture” in the LDS faith that has strong direct proof of being fraudulent, it is the Book of Abraham.

From carbon dating proving there is no way Abraham hands wrote this…..to the fact that every professional non-LDS Egyptologist states this document as nothing more than the book of breathing or book of the dead used in common Egyptian funerals….. to the suspect way Joseph Smith “discovered” the parchment from a PT Barnum traveling circus promoter.

There is a reason the LDS church distances itself from the Book of Abraham by not continuing to lower the importance over other scripture in church or in conference or in publications. IT IS A FRAUD….Since it is a fraud schemed up by the Joseph Smith, all else he says is suspect.

I am glad I only drank a half cup of the kool-aid, before it was too late.

Damn dude, are you sure you guys are not a segment of Scientology? I always thought Mormons were Christians, but after reading this thread and doing some research, have found you guys to be really messed up, it’s weird too, because most Mormon’s are really nice and smart people, family oriented great educators…But your religion is worse than a Bad B movie…Besides that, I AM STILL VOTING FOR ROMNEY, because he’s better than that joker in the Whitehouse, currently and, RYAN is a CATHOLIC!

Joe smith just another under sexed pedophile. Talk the locals into getting the little girls.
A huckster from the get go. Control the minions. The Book of Mormon a bunch of rambling bullshit.
The first 119 pages burned when the old man came back from Smith bogus plate decipher. Crops in ruin. My wife would have thrown the book of bullshit in the fire too.
You have been schooled by the greatest hoax ever.

Funno. I was baptized the other day, so this whole thing has been very interesting to,me. And I ran accross a comment that said how racist we are…And I had to laugh because the man, who holds the priesthood of course, who baptized me is very much black.people are so uninformed, it’s so sa dto me. the latter-day saints are some of the most welcoming, amazing people I’ve ever met. I’m not sure why people can’t let that be enough. We’re not shoving Bibles in people’s faces, so why are they shoving science in ours?

Your not shoving Bibles your shoving Books of Mormon…see the difference? Also, the Black man wasn’t even allowed to have the priesthood until the law of the U.S. changed and required equal rights to blacks. The white mormon men believe to this day that the blacks come from Cain while their perfect little white butts come from Abel. Its racist through and through and continues to be, only difference is it isn’t publicized today.

We are not here to judge anyone’s Salvation, but my husband and I of 54 years studied with the Mormon Missionaries when we were first married due to a Mormon in the family who insisited that we see what it was all about. Well after 6 weeks, we did not become Mormons. First of all, we did not need a new Church. The word Church means “Called Out” in Greek and Jesus said himself “Upon this rock, I shall build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. When Jesus died on the Cross, he said “It is finished”, meaning that all that he said, all that he did when he was on earth is all that we needed and he appointed the Apostles including Apostle Paul that he chose on the way to Damascus to teach us his doctrines after he left to go to heaven. We the people who accept Christ as Savior and Lord, pray continually, live what Christ taught us, do not sin as sin is defined in Scripture and look for his coming are part of a body of believers who make up the Called Out (the church). Joseph Smith may have saw a angel, but if you remember, God threw out alot of angels in heaven to follow the devil and the devil can appear as an angel of light. It says in Galatians Chapter 1 verses 8-9, that if an angel comes to you and preaches to you any other gospel than what you have already received, let him be accursed. Those are very strong words and because we did not need a Church for Christ is the Head of the Body of Believers, we believe that Joseph Smith was badly mistaken. Your teachings make Christianity so difficult that it would be impossible to follow. When Christ died, he tore the curtain into and we no longer have to go to the Holy of Holy’s to sacrifice, for Christ is our Sacrifice and God only sees us through His Son Christ. We have a direct line with him and there is only one mediator between God and Man and his name is Jesus Christ. Regarding the teachings of baptizing for the dead, the Scripture says that each man shall work out his own Salvation with fear and trembling, otherwords, nobody else can be saved by you, for you can only be saved yourself by believing in Christ yourself. Also, Jesus did not have any wives, for he only came to this earth for one purpose and that is to save us from our sins. The worse thing that I have found with your Mormon teaching is that God became man in the flesh and had sex with Mary and she conceived Christ. That is blasphemy to us, for God himself never became flesh. You really need to stay with the Scriptures because your other books by no means match up with our Holy Scriptures and that is all we need to be saved by. My husband and I do not practice sin as sin is defined in Scripture and we live daily with Christ in everything that we do and pray continually that we please him in everything that we do. I could go on and on, but there are so many things that the Mormons teach that is not in our Scriptures. My husband and I went to a debate with the Mormons and noticed that when they were cornered, they had New Revelations, well let me tell you, that we do not need any New Revelations since Christ died, for he was and is our Revelation on how to live and be saved. May you ask The Holy Spirit to teach you for in First John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, ye shall abide in him”.

The Vatican has declared the papyrus a fake.
Mine was censored by CNN (THE Christian News Network) because I might have offended christians (small c deliberate). It wasn’t girls that Xtians were afrade of it was SEX! In order to be God Jesus had to be above sex or the “sins of the flesh.” Remember when Adam and Eve disobeyed God (Adam and Steve never would have) they were expelled from Paradise and suddenly made aware of their bodies–their nakedness (get out the fig leafs) and banished with the angry God’s words that they would have to work by the sweat of their brows and be forced to have kids! Ahhhhhhhhh! Proof that God was a Socialist (no work in Paradise) and capitalism was the punishment S/He visited upon us.

Though you have a point in several questions and statements you made, there is something you should understand about christians/mormons – mormons are christians. For your better understanding christians are all that follow and believe in Jesus Christ, so every church that embrace Jesus Christ are Christians all of them and mormons do not exclude the bible they guide themselves through it teachings and prayers, etc… and they complement their knowledge with the book of mormon!
( I am not mormon, neither catholic, or whatever … i am just a investigator of many religions in the world … and stil there is not one I could say : the truth clean and shinning although churches and religion have a very good effect in society and on people ! I believe in Jesus Christ, Buddah, Ala, Mouhamed, Jeovah, Báhái, – they were all historical humans with greatness spirituality – and historical facts prove their existence on earth—- About the churches and institutions taking advantage of the people faith, and low knowledge, pour souls….. These important figures Jesus, Buda, Mouhamed, Ala, they were all very important in their time, in there place and geographic zone, and brought a huge message to humanity ! this is the most important thing then claim I have the truth, you are all wrong, you are not trully,,,,blah blah blah! I could say, ALL CHurches are fake,,,,but i dont, because those important figures dont have guilty because the men take control of their word and make money machines and mind control.,… we should be free loving:) armless:) and friends) and brothers and sister ando not fear GOD He is LOVE and PEACE…. see ya

Well said. What or Where or If. Love and Kindness is all that should matter. That was the true message from all these original teachers. Their words have since been perverted and twisted by organized religion run by man. It really is ver simple. LOVE

I could just say: Catholic Church could never and I say never and ever could be the true church simply because they kill Christ LoL – and the catholic church was founded as well as the Mormons:) these roman emperor (Constantine) have a dream one night and talked to an angel… if he win the next battle coming forward, romans will worship only one God -because the empire was polytheistic- and he win the battle. Next day he selftitled Pope – the first pope in catholic church – selfmade LOOL and worship a God – and take advantadge of Christ whom was kill by the same empire a few decades ago…….any way the crusades are the black spot in the church history LOOOOL killing in the name of Gog LOOL inquisition? LOOOL even nowadays in easter time, of you pay to the priest a bunch of money , you are able to eat meat LOOl because in their tradition in easter people canot eat meat —— any way, i could be here on and on…..same all sh** !!! churches are fake and machines to make money! God is GOod and Love

Joseph Smith described his vision when He saw the light that gradually descended upon him and saw two personages with glory beyond all description. The devil has no glory and what Joseph Smith saw are two personages with the same glory and brightness. About the one you said that God the Father had actually come down from heaven and had intercourse with Mary is not part of our doctrine. That is just a myth. It is clear in the bible that Mary was a virgin before and after she bore Jesus Christ and she conceived through the power of the Holy Ghost. I apologize if some mormon had told you that. That is not true. We mormons are not perfect there were some of us who still do not understand fully the doctrines and we don’t debate on this matter. Contention is from the Devil. However, as long as I live, I know that the mormon doctrines are true. It is all written both the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Also, about new revelations, it is true that God will still choose prophets these days for the benefit of mankind and will still speak to them about things that should be revealed for the last days in preparation to the second coming of Christ. I hope I made myself clear.

You are forgetting so many things the Bible teaches when you try to denounce the LDS church, Suzanne.

Let’s take for example, First Chronicles 29:29 which says “Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer.”

Where are these books?

The Bible mentions them, so they MUST be important, right?

Forget about that for a second.

What about the part where God says that he is the same today as he was yesterday, and he will be the same tomorrow. He will NEVER change. Remember that part?

Ok, then, let’s explore that for a second.

Back in the day, how did God talk to his people?

He used prophets didn’t he? Moses, Joshua, Noah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, Amos… Many more. Oh wait… he never changes, so either he is a liar, which I KNOW that he is NOT! or he HAS got to talk to his people today using PROPHETS.

Joseph Smith… People scoff at the fact that he was a prophet, and found Golden Plates and what not.

People think we are strange because we do baptisms for the dead as well. Why is it mentioned in the Bible, His Holy Word, if we are not supposed to do it. Again, this gets back to the FULLNESS of HIS Gospel.

Who has the right to tell God how he is supposed to do his works?

The Sadducees and Pharisees thought they could. That is why the early Jews rejected Christ.

btw… Ezekiel 37:16, 17 speaks of two sticks…

16 “Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions.”
17 “And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

Ezekiel was clearly prophesying about the Bible (the stick of Judah) and The Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ (the stick of Joseph). Most people either conveniently forget this, or they just don’t want to know about it.

Christ said them who are blind will not see, and them that are deaf will not hear.

Let’s get back on the prophets for a sec…

Amos, chapter 3 verse 7 says, “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

I guess you have figured out by now that I AM a Mormon. I am a Melchizedek Priesthood holder. I wasn’t always a Mormon though. I was born and raised in the Baptist faith. Christ converted me, and I thank him every day that he did. I spent half my life as a baptist.

Don’t get me wrong now. I am NOT saying there is anything wrong with the baptists. I believe the “Church” is not a building, but rather the body of Christ (i.e. His people)

I could go on about these things that I am telling you… Which as you have seen, ALL of these examples are straight from God’s Holy Word, the Bible.

The last thing that I will say is this… Do I believe the Bible is all you need to get to Heaven? Absolutely!

Do I believe that the Book of Mormon will get you to Heaven as well? You bet!

Why then, do I need both? Let me ask you this for my answer… If you went to a buffet, are you going to stop at a roll and a salad? Or will you get meats, veggies, deserts, and drinks? In short, are you going to eat until you are nearly bursting, or will you stop with a bite or two?

See? the choice is yours. God has given us a magnificent buffet of His word. His Holy Scriptures. I will use them all, not just some of them.

Oh I say that you don’t actually win Alex. By having the intention to debate on matter so sacred is a tool of Satan and by that you lose. You just won Satan’s battle. You should have loved and respected you brother who is your kin and your own blood. He has a reason why he believes in mormonism. And don’t even say to your brother that he’s a nuts because he is a mormon like us. He is your brother. Mind that, if you are a true christian as you profess. Being unrespectful to other religions only proves that you do not live your religion or your religion is teaching you to be that way. If that’s the case, then you just proved it to be false. Sorry, but I have to say this.

Then why do Mormons still believe? Why do Mormons continue to press on and endure? How do they continue to do good works despite everything that opposes them? It’s because Mormons… And I… Believe in Christ. We believe in doing good to others. We believe in the bible. And yes we do believe in the Book of Mormon. Just you fighting with your brother is an example of how hard hearted you are. People can fight and yell and scream at us but we still believe. And yes oh how you will never know but people have died for our religion. And wether people take our invitations to ask of God or to beat us down, Mormons will still believe. And you might not recognize it but you have a lot of faith in things you can’t see. And I pray that someday that you’ll see that faith is needs to happen before things are revealed.

Hello, Suzzanne. I know the scriptures very well before I joined the church and based on that knowledge and understanding I had with the scriptures and the feelings I had as the missionaries taught me is a very different experience I ever had the reason why I joined. I should be the one to say that to you. If you read the scriptures then I say that you don’t really understand them. You just read and look on a very small picture of it but not the biggest picture. If you are really studying you have to know the history, the background of every chapters and verses that you have read. Not all that was written should be taken literally and it requires the Spirit of God to understand the symbolic and deepest part of the scriptures. That is one thing you lack for you rely on your own knowledge and think that you are very very experienced with the word of God and that you are very confident that you can answer every question with the little knowledge you have about God. You just can’t sister. You just can’t. I am only 28 years old and yet I know a lot about Him and still do not boast in my own strength and knowledge because I know that what I knew is just a fragment of the whole truth that God possess and that I will never knew it unless God will impart that knowledge to me. There are so many things that I still don’t know. The missionaries did not just tell me everything they have to say about mormonism and about God. We study together and I am just humble enough to listen to them and exchange ideas with them with a deepest RESPECT because they deserve it. RESPECT is that what you lack that is why God withheld His Spirit from you so you do not understand the deepest things of God’s kingdom and His mysteries. Yet still, I respect you due to the fact that you are a daughter of God and deserves respect. I became a missionary at the age 23 and have taught a lot of ministers among all different sects. I am also glad to note here that most of them responded with respect to my teachings since I have used a pure and respectful languages. The word of Christ is true, “Do thou unto others what you want others do unto you” “Do thou not unto others what you don’t want others do unto you.” They even told us that their experience with us is very different from any other religions who visited them and that is the first time they entertained other religions in their house for a long time. Now, regarding the thing you said about Jesus Christ saying “It is finished” before He died on the cross. You are totally misunderstanding that pure statement from Christ or your preacher might have interpreted it so differently. If by what you mean He says it is finished is that all His works done is all that we needed and nothing more, then I ask why after His resurrection He charged His apostles to “teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of The Son and of The Holy Ghost”. And why He did appear to apostle John and gave him revelations concerning the last days if you are saying that Jesus Christ meant is that all His works is finished. That is not reasonable. When Jesus Christ said it is finished, He is referring to His atoning sacrifice that He has to perform in mortality to save those who will believe and follow him and have faith on His name. It means that He had successfully finished the works that the Father would have Him do in the flesh to save all mankind from sin and that is His atonement. It started from His agony in gethsemane that continued to His death in Golgotha and had ended through His resurrection. He just invoked the words before He died on the cross because He had so much faith already that God would raise Him from the grave and thus finishing His atoning sacrifice by overcoming sin and death in the flesh. But that doesn’t mean that all His works are finished for the end is not yet but nigh at hand. There are still a lot of works to do. As long as God lives and He lives forever, there will be no end to His works and even His words. The end page of the Bible is not the end of His words. HE will still continue to call prophets and impart of His words to them to teach to His children for as long as there are worlds like this without number that is being inhabited by His spirit children all throughout our universe. Contemplate that Suzzanne. You have to know more than what is being preached unto you by your false preachers. You must be questioning your own preachers by now. They are the real false preachers not us. To say that God is not doing anything by now because everything is finished and just watching us perish in our sins in this day is a big no no and a big blasphemy. God couldn’t just sit in His throne and watch the destructions and wickeness in this world. He is exhausting every infinite efforts He could do to save all those who will believe on His name and follow Him in this last days. God loves all His children beyond all description. He weeps because of the iniquities of mankind and just could not sit without doing anything about it. I would suggest that you be humble Suzzanne and invite those missionaries again in your house and discuss about the simplier things about life. I promise you will have a great experience if you do. Do not limit God of His works by your beliefs. Don’t believe your preachers but believe in God who will speak to your heart. And in addition regarding to those New Revelations that you condemn by citing a scripture that we preach any other gospel, than what has been received, I am telling you that we preached the very same gospel that Christ preached during His mortal days. We never changed anything from that and if there are new revelations I am telling you that there are also new revelations received by the apostles by that time after galatians and the apostles preached it because it came from God. Now I say the reason why we have new revelations is that God continue to speak to us through His chosen living prophets this day. We are so much blessed that we know that. In other words We have the living Present Omnipotent God while you are living with your God in the past. We are in the present state sister and that God you believe in the Bible still breathes today and alive! He speaks and moves and do His works for the salvation of His children. The work of our God has no end, What about your god?

“The worse thing that I have found with your Mormon teaching is that God became man in the flesh and had sex with Mary and she conceived Christ. That is blasphemy to us, for God himself never became flesh.”

What?
Which Mormons are you talking about, because I’m a Mormon and have never seen or heard about this. I’m LDS. Did you Google FLDS or RLDS? Those branched off and became very different churches. No. You claim to have studied “Mormonism” as I know it is called, but this sounds like a Google search that took you to a Anti-Mormon website. Way too many fake things get put on those. It’s not even fair! Just because it’s relatively new doesn’t mean you should all band together to make hoaxes to destroy the Mormons! Really not cool.

Hi Suzanne, I am certainly no scholar about this and I don’t try to pretend to be but I believe one part of your section needs to be corrected. There is no-where in LDS scripture that states that God ever had sexual intercourse with Mary. I used to think that too but I could not find one scrap of evidence to back it up. Now just think about it. We have just found out in the last 30 yrs (give or take) that we could implant babies made in test tubes into a womans body and we do not use even 10% of our brains. Also for anyone else, make fun of them all you want but here’s some facts that are not faith based. understand this, after reading many of the other comments, I am not aware of any other rereligion that can sustain not only themselves but ANYONE w/o question who needs assitance within their own brilliant struture w/o asking for tax payers $. Yes, they are asked and do pay 10% of their income but it’s the best insurance policy I’ve ever heard of. And while many of them pay 10% of their earnings, it is not a requirement to receive their help in any way.They turn away NO-ONE and if someone needs help? BOOM, no government delays, paperwork etc…How do I know this? I’ve seen it, they helped me at a time in my life when there were no other options. A friend of a friend who happened to be Mormon called the church assigned to the area I lived in and even though I insisted that I would never/had no intention of ever joining their church, their relief society came at once, took me to their storehouse and gave me enough food and diapers to last me for 3 months and insisted that I let them know if I needed any more assistance until I got back on my feet.They do not insist that people who need their help even need to listen to their message. I am unclear as to Joseph Smith as a prophet, polygamy Kolob etc…but I do know that they volunteer much of their time serving their neighbors and not just their sect.and btw, how Christian is that?

Well the bible has some other things that when read don’t seem possible today. Also, what about the Nation of Islam and some of their beliefs? Farakhsna claims to have seen a UFO above the white house.

Props to you for believing in God and Jesus, and it is true that Jesus was thought of as crazy, in the Bible it says that even his own family thought he was crazy.
But the Bible and Jesus himself also said to have faith in God based on FACTS, and truth and accuracy.
Since God wants all mankind to have a chance for salvation by getting to know about him and his purpose, why isn’t there any evidence that this Kolob planet exists? Where did Jesus EVER say that he came from a planet called Kolob, and exactly where does this planet exist? People used to believe that the planet mars was inhabited by aliens, but after some soil sample they found EVIDENCE that there is and never was life on mars. If we know that mars exists and and that now we know it was never inhabited, how it there any logical belief that there is such a planet that is nonexistent and yet was inhabited by God, and yet he doesn’t even reveal it?

There are BILLIONS of planets in probably as many galaxies, that we can not see. Does that mean they don’t exist, or just that we haven’t found them?

Out of site, out of mind?

Also, it doesn’t say show me facts. If it does, please quote chapter and verse as I have. I believe what it says is judge me by the fruits which ye have seen.

If you have a fact, you know of a surety, therefore there is no need for you to have faith. Christ wants us to have faith in him.
I have never seen the mighty miracles that he wrought back during the time of Peter, James, and John, but I KNOW he was there and did these things because I have FAITH that he was here and did them.

Give us a break, you mean some obscure and weird cult (do I have to mention the magic underpants, people knocking on your door with the most stupid story ever, etc.) comes on and claims they know about a planet science doesn’t know about and we should just believe it?

What exactly makes you think you are all that different from Scientology? After all like Scientology you demand the tithe, right…

“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen”(Heb.11:1)… This is the real meaning of faith carley .. We will never see a tangible evidence until after the trial of our faith. Kolob is not a planet. It is a star where everything in our universe revolves. This is the very first star He had ever created. I reject your idea that God did not reveal it for He did reveal it through His chosen prophets in the last days. Even Abraham knew about it. It is not written in our present Bible because not all the words of God will be found in our present Bible. Many pieces has been lost and one of that piece is the Book of Abraham himself and that are many things that are not yet revealed by God but will be revealed in due time of the Lord. God said that … he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached to (us): Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. (see Acts 3:20-21). God had already fulfilled that promise because we are now living in an era of restoration or restitution of all things. Every fragments that was lost because of the wickedness of former civilizations that killed the prophets and apostles and put Christ into open shame will all be restored little by little. This restoration is necessary for us to be prepared in Christ second coming.

Good point Mark. Maybe, looking at recent discoveries in theoretical physics, changing the way we think about matter & energy: Been wondering if consciousness plays a role, but what the bleep do we know? I could say that in some parallel universe, reality is totally subjective and by mass consent. As the sentient beings of a solar system become more “in tune” with each other, their harmonic resonance catalyzes a planetary alignment,[or discordance], that catalyzes the collapse of their sun, creating a black hole or vehicle for their mass consciousness to flow point to point or dimension within point, etc.

Mark, read your books carefully please. Yes it is true that a supermassive black hole will be found at the center of the milky way galaxy as astronomers have observe but remember that they did not confirm the facts as yet because no one has ever seen what is at the center of our galaxy because of the interstellar dust that covers it. What have they said is merely based upon their observation of what is happening at the center. however, older and bigger stars also exists within it as observed by astronomers. Search again before you post your answers

God has his own reasons why He picked ours. One reason is that, Mary who is the mother of Christ was born in this planet and she was the chosen vessel to become the mother of Christ. Second, the most righteous people to be chosen by Christ to become His apostles were born here. Third, the people of this earth are so wicked enough to betray Christ be killed and thus fulfill his Atoning sacrifice. Fourth, God is not a respecter of persons and ofcourse will not be a respecter of any planets. It doesn’t mean that because He chose this earth as the place where Christ will be born, this is gonna be His favorite. God has an equal view of all of His creations and will have them follow the same ordeals as this earth and its inhabitants should follow. Every inhabited worlds follow the same laws and will be saved by God because of the atonement of His beloved Son. Jesus Christ said to Thomas that he believed because he had seen Him, but blessed are those who had not seen yet have believed. Blessed are those planets and its inhabitants who did not have the Christ lived with them in His mortal days but believed on Him as He is being preached to them. Perhaps, they know more that we do who had the Christ live with us during His mortal days. As people becomes doubtful and unbelieving, the more they are kept from the truth for they will never find it. It is as if they are in a dark cave and have seen a small light that would lead to the outside and have doubted the light and did not continue. This is what this world have… doubtful and criticizing people who have thought they have a more clearer views than the God who created them. I don’t even dare to question the God who knows all things.

in response to Mark for his post last 10-3-12 (This information was taken from the wikipedia… here’s the link >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Center >> Is shows evidence that there are stars within the galactic center. Please study it carefully before you attack to avoid wrong judgements.

Stellar population[edit]

Galactic Center of the Milky Way and a meteor
The central parsec around Sagittarius A* contains thousands of stars. Although most of them are old red main-sequence stars, the Galactic Center is also rich in massive stars. More than 100 OB and Wolf–Rayet stars have been identified there so far.[20] They seem to have all been formed in a single star formation event a few million years ago. (The existence of these relatively young (though evolved) stars was a surprise to experts, who expected the tidal forces from the central black hole to prevent their formation). This paradox of youth is even more remarkable for stars that are on very tight orbits around Sagittarius A*, such as S2 and S0-102. The scenarios invoked to explain this formation involve either star formation in a massive star cluster offset from the Galactic Center that would have migrated to its current location once formed, or star formation within a massive, compact gas accretion disk around the central black-hole. Most of these 100 young, massive stars seem to be concentrated within one (according to the UCLA group) or two (according to the MPE group) disks, rather than randomly distributed within the central parsec. This observation however does not allow definite conclusions to be drawn at this point.
Star formation does not seem to be occurring currently at the Galactic Center, although the Circumnuclear Disk of molecular gas that orbits the Galactic Center at two parsecs seems a fairly favorable site for star formation. Work presented in 2002 by Antony Stark and Chris Martin mapping the gas density in a 400-light-year region around the Galactic Center has revealed an accumulating ring with a mass several million times that of the Sun and near the critical density for star formation. They predict that in approximately 200 million years there will be an episode of starburst in the Galactic Center, with many stars forming rapidly and undergoing supernovae at a hundred times the current rate. The starburst may also be accompanied by the formation of galactic jets as matter falls into the central black hole. It is thought that the Milky Way undergoes a starburst of this sort every 500 million years.
In addition to the “paradox of youth”, there is also a “conundrum of old age” associated with the distribution of the old stars at the Galactic Center. Theoretical models had predicted that the old stars—which far outnumber young stars—should have a steeply-rising density near the black hole, a so-called Bahcall–Wolf cusp. Instead, it was discovered in 2009 that the density of the old stars peaks at a distance of roughly 0.5 parsec from Sgr A*, then falls inward: instead of a dense cluster, there is a “hole”, or core, around the black hole.[21] Several suggestions have been put forward to explain this puzzling observation, but none is completely satisfactory.[22][23] For instance, although the black hole would eat stars near it, creating a region of low density, this region would be much smaller than a parsec. Also, it must be noted that the amount of stars observed are a very small fraction of the expected total number of them, so that the slope of the density is still weakly constrained. In this respect, it could be too early to conclude that there is no segregated cusp and, even if that were true for the Milky Way’s Galactic Center, realistic models of how stars distribute around massive black holes have shown that regrowth of the cusp would take place in a time shorter than the Hubble time.[24][25]

Mark!! Yes there are billions of Galaxy and as to your questions why would God pick ours? Let me tell you a great knowledge that this galaxy where you and I reside is our God’s very creation. The other millions or billions of galaxies that exist was made by the other millions or billions of gods that resides in the center of each galaxies respectively. this is what paul said in 1 corinthians 8:5-6 “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” This is a great truth Mark. Although there are many gods, we only worship one God who is the Father of our spirits and who is the originator of our own galaxy. You and I will become one of the gods if we will follow Christ’s footstep as the being the perfect image of God’s person and who is also a God, the Lord of Hosts. He resides at the center of this our galaxy and oversees all things within it for He is in the midst of all things. The supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy is the system which God uses to recycle materials and to create new matters from which He creates new worlds (millions of earths like this within our own galactic system). The existence of stellar population which are identified by astronomers as huge old stars is the evidence that a star we call Kolob by revelation really exists. Kolob is one of those huge old stars in existence and is the Largest of all within our galactic system. Like I said, God lives in a real place and He is in our midst. He does not live in another dimension for there is no such things as place that doesn’t have any space. That’s totally inconceivable. I believed it with all my heart.

Our galaxy, as proven by Hubble and other deep space probes, is not the center of the universe.
I have a problem with ANY religion that is male dominated, requires the subordination of women, was rooted in polegamy; practiced marriage between girls as young as 13 and men as old as 60; believed that anyone other than white people were/are inferior; and practices baptism of the dead, whether they wanted to be or not! To me, the his story of LDS sounds like a pinch of radical fundamentalism, a pinch of racism and a pinch of pedophilia! Ouch and no thank you.

Why can’t all of the Abrahamic religions just face it, Adam was a wuss who blamed everything on Eve [see Genesis]. At least Eve had the eggs to admit that she ate the forbidden fruit. Though she was beguiled by the Serpent, Lucifer whatever, but at least a being more powerful/knowledgeable than her. So what was Adams excuse? He couldn’t “Just say no.”
Eve got some information, made a decision and took action. In our world we call that leadership. Another strong woman that Adam could not handle![Lilith being the first]. So now leadership of all 3 of the Abrahamic religions has been entrusted to “lemmings” until Jesus. The message of Jesus was lost on them. The message? Love your neighbors as yourself…big problem. Most men then as now are incredibly out of touch with who and what they are, let alone grasping the concept of self love as non sexual.
God’s new covenant was is with woman. There was no human male involved to muck things up. Even Jesus’ most ardent disciple was a woman: Mary Magdelen. What revelation do you think is in the Dead Sea Scrolls? Why do you think that bible as we know it was written a few HUNDRED years after the death of Christ. Why did Paul build a church when Jesus himself never asked for a church. Why did the council of Nicea [kings, wealthy & wealthy high ranking clergy], omit so many gospels? How did the Jews, a semitic people of North Africa, become a Zionist people of European ancestry?
How did Rome, the empire that crucified Jesus, become the HOLY ROMAN Empire and seat of modern Christianity?
Lastly, the book of Mormon states that Jesus came among the indigenous peoples of this hemisphere, then why oh why didn’t they learn from the people already here, how to live in harmony with themselves and the land? I’d like to read your response.

Not so fast amigo(a?). According to Genesis, there was no limitation of Gods’ creation to just the Milky Way galaxy. Indeed Jesus said my fathers’ house has many mansions and in the book of Enoch [yeah, the one dumped by the council of Nicea...hmmm], the celestial hosts are referred to as “stars,” all created by God. One (1) omnipotent, all powerful God. That said, is the god of the Milky Way galaxy it’s demi god by proxy? And since the Milky Way galaxy is NOT the center of the universe created by God in Genesis… either it is not the residence of god or the “god” of Kolob is not the creator of the universe and therefore not the god referred to in Genesis, nor the Father of Christ Jesus…so tell me again who/what god do Mormons worship? Now don’t get me wrong…I think you have an absolute right to worship, believe in your prophets & worship any god that they tell you to. But as one created in the image of God, [Genesis 1], blessed by my creator with a big brain and an inquisitive mind…I’ve got to examine your story the same as I would any other theology. And most especially when
that story seems to be saying that the god in the book of Mormon is not the omnipotent God of the three Abrahamic religions. I’ve got to then look at it in the context of the biblical predictions in Revelations about rise of false prophets in the end times. After all, the KJV of the Holy Bible is the handbook of western civilization. As for the Book of Mormon…I just wonder, maybe Jesus chose to spend time among the indigenous peoples of this hemisphere BECAUSE they were not so hell bent on killing, polluting & exploiting everything and everyone (most especially people of color) on the planet! I look at Mr. Romney and Bain Capital and think…if this guy represents the principle and morality of Mormanism, then either he has perverted your message or you guys have, once again, perverted the message of Jesus, Buddha, Ghandhi, Mother Teresa, Ammah and countless other men & women who have tried to stay faithful to the non-violent, non-predatory, non-exploitative message of God.

Oh Bina, you are totally mistaken. Our church do not and is not preaching that man should dominate the woman. You also have a misunderstanding on the beauty of the story of Adam and Eve and their fall. Remember, God created the woman out of Adams side of the ribs and not from the head or from the foot. That creation of the woman out of Adam’s side is an indication that they are an equal partner and the woman to be always beside the man and not to be under his foot or over his head. Adam is not passing on the transgression to eve as if to blame her. When Adam said that it is Eve who gave him the fruit. He is just stating on what really happened and just couldn’t lie. This is also the same with Eve telling God that the serpent beguiled her. Do not make your own assumptions of things and where do you find Lilith in the bible? There is none to be found. That is the thing that I can totally say is a myth.
The woman is not intended or were not created to be in subordination to man. That is not how God designed it. Eve means the mother of all living and is a queen to Adam. Paul said that man could never be perfect without a woman it was written in 1 Corinthians 11:11 “Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.” The man and the woman are an equal partner working together for their posterity. The man will preside over and provide shelter and the necessities of life for the family and the woman will be responsible in bearing and nurturing their children. This partnership is designed by God that men and women will stand as kings and queens for their posterity and at the end will stand as gods and goddesses in their exalted state when they have endured all things in Christ with their family forever. They will continue to create and expand their kingdoms in heaven for man and woman will continue to have children, … spirit children in heaven. And, I did not say in any of my statement that our galaxy is the center of the Universe. There is no limit to God’s kingdom it is ever increasing and worlds without number He had created and it will continue to expand to fill the immensity of space for as long as there will be a space to our limitless universe. The God of this galaxy is the Father of our spirits and it was written that other gods also exists and are at the center of another galaxy. Who are those gods I am referring to here? They are the exalted children of Elohim, who have become sons and daughters to Him and have followed the path of the Savior and have become as one with them. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have become one of the gods for they received the promise that God will multiply their seeds as many or even more than the sands of the sea or the stars in heaven. That promise was not fulfilled when Abraham lived his mortal life it is being fulfilled now as He began to build his own kingdom he inherited from God and continue to multiply his seeds into countless numbers as he begins the process of creating another galaxy in which Abraham will be at the center as our Father in Heaven is at the center of our own galaxy. Here are some references Psalms 136:2 “O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.” you cannot say that this verse is referring to an idol that people worships because those dumb idol cannot worship our God and could not make our God their god. Other reference as you wanted it, Psalms 95:3
“For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods.” the God whom we worship is greated than the other gods for He is above all His children. Psalms 82:6
“I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” Now, as you can see in these verse that we as children of God were considered as gods for we are the children of the most high and has a potential to become like Him. Jesus Christ had demonstrated the pattern of becoming like His Father in Heaven. Jesus Christ had become a God trough following the gospel He preaches. Another scripture,

1 Corinthians 8:5-6

5 “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)”

6 “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” Paul here had stated the existence of other gods and lords but He says that to us there is but one God and one Lord Jesus Christ because He is the Father of our Spirit and His Christ is the Father of our spiritual rebirth. This is as if to say that though there be that are called fathers and mothers in this world (I am speaking about parents) to us there is but one father and mother who have begotten us in the flesh. This is the same with godhood. the word “god” is an exalted title and very much related to the word “father” which denotes an origin of things or a founder. I can say that Godhood is the exalted word for Fatherhood. The Heavens as we know it, is composed of family units exalted together for eternity and continually increasing in posterity and the head of that exalted family units creates world without number that we now see floating in the heavens. Glorious isn’t it? Believe it or not, it is true. This should be the destiny of man, but man will choose his own destiny whether it be to God or to the deepest darkness. It is for us to choose our own fate. Jesus Christ did not asked for a church for He himself had founded it and that is the primitive Church of Jesus Christ which is founded upon the foundation of prophets and apostles, Christ himself being the chief corner stone

Ephesians 2: 19-20

19 “Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;”

20 “And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;” Paul was speaking to the gentiles here as they are converted in the gospel of Christ. The saints means the member of God’s household which means Christ’s church. A saint is the one who was set-apart from the world and being a saint happens after a proper baptism. This ordinance should be done by proper priesthood authority and should be done through immersion for the remission of sins. The church we have which you dubbed as mormons has its name. It is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know this is the only true and living church upon the face of this earth today and is founded upon the foundation of prophets and apostles Jesus Christ himself being the rock of revelation and the chief corner stone. What ever you say, this will not change this absolute truth. God knows it.

You left out verse 4 of I Cor. 8 which states “an idol is nothing at all in the world and there is no God but one”. If you take scripture out of context you can make it say anything. This passage is speaking about idols of wood and stone, not any kind of alternative real gods. Very lazy exegesis and very misleading as to what the passage is saying.

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lawman says:

“The existence of the planet/star Kolob was revealed by God himself to the Prophet.” Wow, I’m glad you cleared that up for us. For a moment I was beginning to think Joe Smith made it up!

verse 4 in 1 Cor 8 is very specific to people’s offering to idols worshipped as gods and paul added the emphasis that we only have one God. Then in verse 5 he refers to other lords and gods in existence then he added the emphasis again that to us there is only but one God. If you truly understand the context of the scriptures, you would never suppose that what Paul said in verse 4 refers to what he said in verse 5 because that is entirely different thing. Why? Because, Paul only tackles the misconception to the beliefs of the Jews and the idolatry of the gentile nation. The Jews believes that though there be one God who is the God of Israel, they do not deny the fact that there are other gods in existence. Paul himself understand that there are other gods in existence for he himself belongs to the high councils of the rabbis who studies the scriptures extensively before he became Paul. Search the term Elohim which is the language the jews use to refer to God. It is the common name for God in Hebrew and is usually a plural noun for the word El. Hebrew grammar allows for this nominally-plural form to mean “He is the Power (singular) over powers (plural)”, or roughly, “God of gods”. (See the wikipedia for the name Elohim). Therefore, KJV you are the one going out of the context because you do not understand the context itself or what is behind it and you are the one who have a very lazy exegesis for you do not think and search carefully before you attack us. If paul just mean that verse 4 and 5 to be the same thing and that it only refers to idol, then there is no reason for him to put that into two different statements. The reason for me not to include verse 4 in my former posts is that I am not referring to idols. I am referring to the existence of other gods in yonder heavens. Nevertheless, though there be many gods in the heavens, we only worship one God who is the Father of our spirits. As if to say that though there are called fathers here on earth as there be many fathers, for me there is only one father who hath begotten me in the flesh. I believe that people who have reason will have a sense of it.

The Book of Deuteronomy 4:2 says: Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that “I” give you. Now if Mormons are Christians, why do you not acknoledge this and other verses in the bible that say the same thing? The book of Mormon actually proves JS to be a false prophet, and it and the other books of this cult mock God. I read the doctirne, I’ve seen the Adam/Eve Mormon movie, I’ve seen the ceremony of Endowment in the Mormon temple. I’ve been accused of bashing Mormons, not my intend, but I will not sit by and listen to the lie. Doesn’t matter if you believe the deception, I don’t care if you believe it, lots will not believe the truth. But you are not a Christian, that is a lie.

Hey, anchmcle. I will say this once again, the Bible is a collection of books and the verse you just cited was written in the Book of Deuteronomy which is just one of the book in the Bible. So if you are saying that what that verse means “do not add” should be interpreted that way, then I am telling you that there should be no book written after Deuteronomy. Our Bible should contain Genesis to Deuteronomy only and nothing more books in addition to that. That verse is only a copyright statement of the Lord for the book of Deuteronomy. It means that no one should edit or change what was written in that book of Deuteronomy and not the entire compilation of the Bible unless God ordered it. Also, the Bible that we know now is not yet compiled by that time of Moses. They don’t even know the Bible because what they have is only the books of Moses. Make sense? If it still doesn’t make sense then I say you should enroll in the first grade again. That will help you. I am just sayin.

Well, yeah. But then there’s Jesus. If you want to throw the concept (which concept?) of “God” out the window then you have to deal with the Jesus thing. Or, maybe you don’t. As long as the window’s open – you might as well toss everything out! But towards the end, you’ll probably open that window again and start searching through all the rubble below.

I have thought that too, that perhaps God was a captain from another planet. What gets me about religion is people, like your family for example, get mad if you dont say you totally believe in whatever that family has believed. Why cant people focus on why so many people work or retired and are put under great stress by someone such as the govt deliberaltely giving them less than what is needed to be even modestly comfortable in an advanced society, always have to have just somewhat less. For example did you know if youve worked all your life at non stellar type jobs you get less than 12 k if you retire at 72 and only 14k at 66. Not supposed to care though because its the “end times.”

circles have no real end, and all things are up to god, the govt is not god although i better not take that up with them seeming that god is just an acronim in todays age,G.O.D. u i r
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drugs RE BEING PUSHED IN CONTROL OF THE GOVT AND THOSE THAT SELF PERSCRIBE ARE NOT PAYING INTO THE SOCIALIST SYSTEM SO THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM BEGINS

Actually, if it were a socialist system, we might not have to pay so deeply for our medical care. Since we are a capitalist system and our medical care is [since Nixon endorsed Kaiser Corp!] increasingly provided by private, corporations; self medication, even vitamin supplements and demand for labeling GMO food is seen as being un- American. Funny, we can question, discuss & otherwise seek the truth about religion, but we still believe that socialized medicine (which is what every major European & Scandinavian nation provides for its people] is wrong. And whatever is in our food & H2O is on a “need to know” basis and we are not in that loop. Looking at the demographics of Europe & Scandinavia and the fast changing demographics of America is a very disturbing clue as to WHY we are privatizing medical care, education & prisons. I wonder what Jesus would do now.

I suspect Jesus would do what He did before – heal and preach His Message. He wouldn’t involve Himself with institutions because the Message is deeply personal for each of us. Part of that Message people seem to ignore is to not cling to this life as if Here is better than There.

So it’s not ‘what are THEY doing about’ the Message, it always been ‘what am I doing about the Message’.

Planet Kolob, huh? As stated previously this is no more absurd than some of the “Gospel Truth” that I was brought up to believe. If you think that you know where God lives -more power to you!!! I would advise against trying to visit; I was taught that God doesn’t like it when you get too close to his spot. He has smitten people in the past for undertaking such adventures (see “Tower of Babel” fable in the book of Genesis. Just sayin’.

God is a real being and live in a real space and has His own reckoning of time. God reveals many things and is always wanting all His children to find Him. So, I would reject your idea that “God doesn’t like it when you get too close to His spot”. God is everywhere to be found for He is in all things because everything revolves around Him. What you have said about the tower of babel in Genesis is absolutely true. No mortal could ever reach the place where He lives the reason why He destroyed it for it was all non-sense. If we want to come to His place, we have to obey His laws, pass through death and be resurrected as Christ was and become immortals with perfect bodies of flesh and bones as Christ had shown to His apostles. We will then be in some future time be assigned to each mansions God prepared for His children near His residence that which to say, the center of all God’s creation which is Kolob, the greatest star not a planet. Again, no mortals could ever reach His place or even behold His burning glory. This is why as studies had shown that the core of our galaxy is covered by interstellar dust to protect the outside world from the radiation that will come out from the core. God’s glory is a burning flame. I don’t say that you believe me. I just say that you ponder it in your hearts. God loves you and wants you to find Him where He is. If you do, you will be able to love Him more. Hope you understand me. I am sorry if I offended you somehow. I hope I didn’t.

Sherman, I have no problem with your beliefs however God is near us all the time. we must practice tolerance we are all on a journey towards the same God. Christian which i am but also Islamic, Jewish, Hindus, And all other faiths and none. Christ died once and for ALL mankind. The greatest commandment is Love. This means taking care of others and a belief in the commom good. This is sometimes better practised by secular societies than religious ones. We dont have the same fear of goverment here in Europe that you have in the U.S.A. Marian.

Thanks Marian, I strongly agree with you. All people regardless of what they believe in should respect each other and love each other. I know what I believe in and I respect if people cannot accept the truth that I know and I ask people would do the same. Love is all that matters.

Pondered, already. Don’t go for it — not in the way that you do. One of the differences is that I don’t even profess to understand it; I don’t attempt to explain it to someone else;, and I don’t take the Bible literally. Beautiful book — but if “King” James had something to do with a version, or man for that matter, I can assure you that it is warped, twisted, and politically biased. No offense.

PLT I understand your thoughts. However, God wants us to understand and we will never understand it without His help. He is not a violent God. Everything He does has a reason behind it to preserve the good in this world. Though we may never understand all things about how God shows His love to both the good and the wicked, what you and I understand is that He exists to fight for us. God loves us brother.

Makes more since than most religions. Man wrote the Bible period. Even a highly religious person would think a person was crazy if, in 2012 he said God told him to write a new chapter in the Bible. Religion is full of anger and hatred, always has been and always will! Kolob, you say huh? Did you hear the one about the virgin that got pregnant or the ark that carried 2 of every animal?

I do not hate other man’s beliefs. They are free to choose to worship God in a way that pleases them as I do. God is living and as He is now living, He will not stop calling His servants the prophets to reveal truths that are yet to be revealed. The end is not yet but is nigh at hand. So, we need more prophets today than ever before. God is now doing everything He can do to save us all. He restored everything that was lost even our memory of our pre-mortal life. Not all things that God has to reveal has already been written even the bible lost much of each pages before it comes to our hands. Many are yet to be discovered. If God chose a prophet today and was commanded to write things He will reveal to him, and by the Spirit of truth I knew he was a prophet for that is the only way we can know the truth of God, then I believe that those people who will say that the man is crazy are the real crazy people. We are very much prone to judge at a first glance. We ought to study it out in our minds first then ask God if the thing is right. If you are sincere enough, God will tell you it is right by the Spirit of truth.

What does God sound like when He/She is “telling” you something? Is it a deep voice, like Morgan Freeman? And when I call that “voice” my conscience, is it the same thing that you are calling God? Just curious. Always wanted to know what God sounded like from the many people who claim they were told by God to kill, steal, destroy, colonize, dominate, etc. Just wondering if it was the same voice each time.

He will tell you in your mind and in your heart. Spirit to spirit. You may not hear an audible sound or voice that God is speaking but when you feel something is right, then it is God telling you that it is right.

“You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female; also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth.”

Maybe we’d all better understand people’s beliefs if we all actually read their books :/

Strange how this old man was supposedly talking directly with God. No man is supposedly good enough to ever hear the actual voice of God and it is stated in the bible that no man has ever gazed upon the face of God. I don’t get the idea of why a god would want to remain eternally hidden. And the fact that this old man supposedly rounded up 2 of every animal. There are only a couple of types of animals to be found in the middle east, aside from the good old camel. Was he able to circumnavigate the globe and collect 2 of every species of animal? What about all the feed that would be needed for all these animals? Different animals eat different things, so I suppose he also gathered feed along the way for these animals that would never rot or go bad, along with food for the humans along for the ride. The old testament of the bible is nothing more than jewish fairytales. Believe all you want that a man parted an entire sea, and that all that killing by the jews was always justified by a god who took out his wrath on innocent children, such as the first born of the Egyptians, etc. etc. People, in my opinion, have a belief in these many religions because most people, naturally and normally, have a fear of dying and want to believe that this life is not all there is. That is the price to be paid for being the only specie on earth that can ponder life and existence. I actually do believe in the New Testament, but I find the old testament to be laughable at best. But, to each his own.

Oh Chaz, ofcourse he did. The bible is not speaking of things happening in just a day, a month or a year. Even the 6 days of creating this earth could not be taken so literally as happening in just a day or so. Here in 2 Peter 3:8 it was said “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” Haven’t you read on how long this old man we called Noah lived his mortal days? He died at the age of 950. Completing the ark doesn’t take a week also or even months and the world during his days is so much different than the world that we know now. There is one massive continent during the days of Noah that began to break down into seven continents that we know now after the flood. The collection of animals and their foods doesn’t take a day, a week or a month or even a year also. It took a very long time before the flood came and all things were being given to Noah from God as an instruction and Noah just followed it line upon line. That is how Noah did it.

Noah and his sons must have been like rabbits with the wives. Imagine, within 100 years, Noah and his sons did so much mating that they produced the ENTIRE EGYPTIAN EMPIRE, backdate hundreds of years of Egyptian custom and history and language. Don’t forget the armies of Egypt, as well as hundreds of thousands of slaves necessary to build the pyramids (which were finished within 100 years of the ‘flood’.
Religious people base their facts on beliefs, rather than their beliefs on fact.

I always wonder why people need religion. It has only created divisiveness. Ironically, we argue (and fight wars!) over who’s religion is better or right, rather than being good in our actions towards each other, which is what we are supposed to do – it’s so simple, yet no one gets it. Instead, like the Lilliputians in Gulliver’s Travels, we argue over which end of the egg to break.

I know where you are coming from Valerie. We all want to be united in one cause and have peace in this world. It is true that religion somehow had caused divisions among people. But, we mormons do respect what you and others believe. There might be some mormon people who does not practice what is being preached however, the standards of the church was set for all its members to follow. We do not participate on debates for we know that contention is of the Devil. However, although there are many different religions and denominations in the entire world today, God has only one true church and it is our responsible to search for it diligently for there’s only one Godhead and there should be only one true church. I encourage you to search that and be mindful of other people’s beliefs.

There is no such thing as intelligence without the revealed truth for the intelligence of men is of God and He is the source of truth and knowledge. Everything that men had discovered has been there for ages. God just revealed it to us. God inspires people to know and discover things. All the technologies we see discovered by science does not come from the mind of men for men did not create them. Therefore, intelligence without revealed truth is non-sense and therefore foolishness.

Never heard of either person. What makes their statements so profound and full of truth? Because you happen to agree with them? Both statements I find to be ridiculous, but no doubt some would consider these 2 to be “deep thinkers”.

both of those idiots you quoted, are proven atheists, why would I consider them good sources about my faith…Some people are just ignorant man…You don’t believe in GOD, sure, go right ahead, but thinking you validate your ignorance by quoting atheists, well, shows how much you are lacking…

As if you have said that “LOAD OF BOLOKS” to your own home. For Kolob is the place where you and I and all the people belong before we were born on this earth. So, please don’t say that. You could have been more nicer. We are not here to fight. ^_^

Yes Jim there are references in the Bible that tells us of life before birth. Here is one example: Ecclesiastes 1:9-11

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no anew thing under the sun.

( this verse states that there is no new things in this world and everything that exists here will continue to exist in the future. It only says that there is no end to work and existence of every creature. )

10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

( This verse says that every new things in this world like a new born baby hath already been existing in old times or times before us. Therefore, everything you see around you whether they are new to you or it is old have existed already in times before. If you will ask about technologies today, yes it also had been discovered and existed eons of years before because God’s creation of worlds has no end. There are worlds that was created before our own world was created and the children of God placed in those worlds also had technologies that may be more advance than the technologies that we have now in this world.)

11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

( We cannot remember the days when we lived in the presence of God as a spirit child of Him before we were placed in this world. Why? because God wants us to live and work through faith and not through the influence of our memory of our Heavenly home. The veil of forgetfulness covers our when we are in the process of being formed by God in our mother’s womb and it will be taken after our resurrection. This memory is being taught by the prophets of God as it is being revealed to them by God. ).

Here’s another reference: Job 38:4-7

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

(The Lord is asking Job about where he was when he laid the foundations of this earth as if making him to ponder on that question about his pre-mortal existence. )

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

( In these verses, the Lord is asking Job of who was the one who formed the earth. The Lord is just asking this thought provoking question to help Job ponder about his existence during the pre-mortal world when Jehovah hath formed the foundations of this earth. )

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

( Here, the Lord gave Job information that during those times when the Lord hath finished the creation of this earth, all the children of God referred to us the morning stars here sang together and shouted because of Joy. We were there… We were one of them who sang together and shouted for joy that we will finally receive our own bodies and dwell in world where we may be proven and tested. )

the things you coukd do to understand the truth that are hard of concept is to ask your self saying the contrary belief aloud and if it rings to your hart and mind you could be sure of an aha moment felt then you know truth from lie if there is no real feeling then it is lie, the facts are we are not the ones to know the mind of god his plans are his we can ask him for knowledge if he will inform us then we know at that point, kolob is the fullfillment of the pact between abraham and god, he is the closest to the throne as he would know gods true intent, the other facts are if we look for the planet with life in the universe kolob would be it, oh i thought i would be so kind and let you know the names of god and his wife,elohiem and araidia, although i am not so certain about his mane i am about hers and the sons kolob

another problem i forsee is the fact that there is worlds without end through out the universe, so the milky way galaxy is just one neighborhood, the center is unknown so to guess would just be that, the other thing is worlds without end, that statment implies not just one world, and would the hard headed among us believe the truth even if they heard it from another world, and would you interfere with the progress of another world if it was as chaotic as this one, yeah we could be wrong in belief, if you research all the religions, christianity is founded by a nonviolent founder jesus christ and the fact his name is actualy emanuel he was not angry or a killer infact other than inanimate objects there is no tell of a violent streak at all, unlike so many unmentioned belief structures, the city of dvartka of a people notorious of non violence he fought to keep his bride and became a god in his peoples eyes

Hey guys! I just want to ask you a question. I am a LDS convert or should I say a mormon convert. I was a catholic before. I was taught by 2 mormon missionaries and I am very much interested about their doctrine about Jesus Christ and God. I did not hesitate to be baptized after I received a confirmation that all that they taught is true. All they teach has a familiar ring to my heart although I believe that that was the first time I heard about it. It changed my life and I am very much interested of knowing more about the mysteries of God. Now my question is, why are there so many people join together against mormon beliefs. I just wonder. I just want to know what is something hostile about mormonism to other people. Please if you don’t mind. If you are one of ‘em, don’t worry I will understand cause I want to understand you. Thanks.

A true Christian isn’t going to beat up your beliefs. There are mormon doctrines that I don’t believe are true. I fully believe that all three are one and that Christ is God with skin and born from a virgin…a full virgin. Although, I’m not a big fan of Catholicism either. I believe salvation is by faith alone. It is about what God/Jesus did for you….not about anything you try to do to “earn” salvation. We don’t agree….Pray and do what God leads you in

the missionaries who taught me did not say something against catholism and any other religion. I did not say that catholism is bad though. Nothing in my statement here did I say something against of another religion guys.

I just want to address your question about why so many people are against Mormons. I wrote in this forum on 9-4-12 and you can read from that, but just letting you know that I believe you became a Mormon because you did not read and study the Scriptures for yourself when you were Catholic of which is common amongst Catholics, but I have found a few Catholics that do study. I have a daughter-in-law who was raised Catholic and learned to pray, but her family never read the Scriptures, so when she comes to our house for Bible Study, she always makes remarks about how much she is finally learning God’s Word and now she knows what God expects of her for eternal life. Praise God!! In Second Timothy Chapter 2:15 says “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth”. My husband and I of 54 years studied with the Mormons in a 6 week course when we were first married, but we did not become Mormons. We have since then looked up some of their NEW REVELATIONS of which we do not believe that there are any NEW REVELATIONS, for when Jesus died on the Cross he said “It is Finished” meaning when he was here on earth, he said all he could say, did all that he could do to save mankind from their sins and the ultimate he did was to die for us that we could have eternal life. The word Church comes from Greek meaning “called out”. We who believe in Christ and follow his teachings are part of a body of believers who make up the Called Out (the Church). The Church did not die as the Mormons teach when the Apostles died, for Christ was the King of Kings and Lord or Lords and was very capable of keeping his Church alive. He said “Upon this rock, I shall build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. Apostle Paul says in First John Chapter 2 Verse 27, “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him”. The Mormons also teach in baptizing for the dead. Let me explain, Apostle Paul talks about this in First Corinthians Chapter 15 Verses 29-32. You must read all these verses when he is talking about baptizing for the dead. He is not saying you baptize for dead people, for if the dead do not rise, why be baptized? He says in verse 32 “If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we die”. You cannot take a verse out of context. The Scriptures are like a puzzle that all fits together and if you do not study it and ask the Holy Spirit to teach you, you will never receive the Truth. When Joseph Smith seen an angel, he may have seen a angel that was not of God, but the angel was teaching another gospel and it warns you in Galatians Chapter 1 Verses 8-9 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed as we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you, than that ye have received, let him be accursed. We do not need a new Church or another Gospel for Christ is the Head of the Church and has always been and he his teachings are all we need. He chose Apostle Paul to continue with his teachings. When you listen to any minister and they are not teaching what you have received from the Holy Spirit, test the Spirits to see if they match up with our Scriptures and if not, they are not of God. I know that the Mormon Church will tell you that I am off course, but believe me, I have 4 ex-mormons in our family who got out while there is still time. What they all did was to study on their own without any influence from the Mormons and they finally left the Mormons Church. One of my children was going with a Mormon when he was a teenager and the missionaries wanted to come to my house to covert my son, so I said you are welcome to come if I sit in on the teaching and they said no, I was not allowed to be there. Can you believe that in my own house, I could not sit in? What were they afraid of anyway? They were afraid that I was going to challenge them and then they would have to come up with NEW REVELATIONS. Well, my son did not get involved with this girl and she finally later on gave up the Mormon Church also. My husband and I went to a Mormon debate years ago and everytime they were asked something that they could not answer having to do with their doctrines, they would have NEW REVELATIONS. I hope that I have not confused you very much, but I pray that God through His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit will guide you to the Truth.

Have you read the last verses of the last 2 chapters of John? It says there that not all things are written in that book which we now know the Bible. There are many things which Jesus did which were not written in that book. He also said in Amos, God will do nothing but He revealeth his secrets to His servants the prophets. God lives and does something for our salvation today and calls His servants the prophets to teach us His minds for this last dispensation and those prophets write it for our benefit for the end is not yet but nigh at hand. As long as God lives, He will continue to speak. He will never stop.

First of all, I don’t believe for a second that the missionaries told you that you could not join in. Second, I am fairly certain that you are making up this “New Revelations” malarkey. That being said, the missionaries can NOT convert ANYONE! They can only present the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and if anyone cares to hear it, read the books, listen and study with REAL intent, and then PRAY to Heavenly Father about what they’ve learned, THEN AND ONLY THEN will the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ testify the truth of it unto you, and THEN AND ONLY THEN will JESUS CHRIST, no one else, convert you.

I am glad that you gave such an accurate and definitive response to these people that know so little about the scriptures.
Exactly the way Christ would have us respond to the lost and those who are following a false prophet….very well done!

Yes Jeff, I am holding fast with my beliefs. I know it is true for it was shown unto me in a miraculous way and there is no way for me to deny it. People will never ever find the truth by debating about their beliefs and have people join those who win the debate. That is not how God reveals the truth. God speaks to the mind and the heart of men. People who are hard-hearted will never find it…

What I would like to know is why Mormons teach their kids the story of creationism? Do they not see how hypocritical this is? Most of my family are LDS. I was baptized when I was 8. I am 36 years old and have never heard of this kolob thing until recently. I guess they just hide this and lie to the general population of mormons their whole lives and then tell you once you go to the temple? What about those of us who haven’t gotten married or had kids yet? The LDS religion and the culture in Utah is what made me decide that I do NOT believe in any organized religion. I didn’t realize how weird it was until I moved away several years ago. That is when I started to study other religions, and decided they were all full of b.s. If the LDS are right, why don’t they talk about it to people that haven’t been to the temple? It is very confusing and misleading.I can’t say that all mormons are messed up. I know a few normal ones. Maybe it’s just when you get a whole bunch of them living in a centralized location. And don’t even get me started on the “jack-mormons”. You may not hear an end to it. So, if I wasn’t already down on the LDS, I really am now that I have caught wind of this kolob thing.

We did not come here just to be fed brother J.. You should have read the scriptures on your own and found out about Kolob your own. The church will only teach you the basic things you have to know but on the deeper part, you have the responsibility to search for yourself. Every materials are available for if it was not, I could have never known about Kolob anyway.

I have been in the temple J and had a lot of wonderful experiences inside and have learned a lot of things about God and man. If you only strove to find the truth yourself about our church you must have been a witness with me of the wonderful things happening inside the temple and all the higher ordinance of salvation being performed inside for both the living and the dead. It is not my responsibility to tell you everything of what is being taught inside the temple for I have an obligation to keep it sacred. As a member of the church and as a responsible and reasoning creatures, we have the duty to know for ourselves. What we can do is to present to you that the temple is a wonderful place to go to but it is you who will decide if you want to go and know for yourself. It is not that God intends to keep all things happening inside the temple as secret things. As a matter of fact, He invites all men and all the family of this earth to come inside the temple. However, there are pre-requisites before you’ll be able to enter there. You have to be worthy enough and clean enough for you will be entering the House of the Lord. Baptism by immersion is one of the pre-requisites and baptism must be preceded by faith and sincere repentance not because of curiosity. No one will be baptize in this church because their just curious. The church is not here just to increase its members but to save the souls of the increasing numbers of members.

Thanks LBF. I know what I believe and I have a confirmation of it. There is a substance in it. Thanks to all those who commented. I appreciate it. Though we differ in our views about religion, I believe that being one is a goal of our Eternal Father for us. We will all know at the end what is true and what is not. However, I strongly affirm that what I had said is true. Any negative comments about mormonism is just a misunderstanding of its pure doctrine.

Sherman, I am Catholic as well. Even if you include the missing gospels, there is no mention in Revelations of the planet Kolob or any other book of the bible. So if Revelations is the final lesson or warning then I think John would of have included it. There was a very good understanding of astronomy at the time. I would also like to point out that a man named “Miller” coined the word “rapture” which is also never said in any book of the bible. People come along and want to INTERPRET the Word to give themselves power and authority. The Vatican studied this phenomenon and decided that it was only through the intense study and prayer by many apostles (Priests and Nuns) and then coming together in agreement before bringing scripture forward for the members of the church to read for themselves. The Catholic church is privy to much that has not been presented to the general population because it is redundant. That is why there is a Vatican library. Many letters from the apostles to the various churches with instructions are there. Vatican scholars spend their whole lives studying and praying and presenting their findings to the Pope and to the Cardinals. Jesus gave Peter specific instructions on how to set up His church. And it still stands today 2000 years later in spite of everything. While many evil men have tried to infiltrate the Church and corrupt it or use its power to rule over others with the latest being these pedophile priests, these are assaults are inspired by Satan causing many people over the years to break away from the church into splinter religions. All of these religions are incomplete. They do not have the original information. Their Bibles are a corruption of the Catholic Bible. Reinterpreted and rewritten in any way to serve the break off church founder’s whims and wishes. While I don’t doubt that God is certainly the Creator of all that science discovers, our God is an awesome God whose Spirit permeates everything and we cannot know His mind until it is revealed to us at the end. Be wary of false prophets. When God sent Jesus He was pretty much done revealing to us His intentions for the World. The lessons were given and the choice too. To say God lives in outer space on a star or planet is to diminish Him and that is blasphemy. Reread your Catholic catechism and read some of the writings of Pope John Paul and Mother Theresa. We are to be like little children in our faith when we approach God which means He ia far more complicated than we can imagine. Joseph Smith had a great imagination but it wasn’t big enough to encompass God. The Catholic church considers all christian churches part of the Catholic church which is why we recognize one baptism. Our roots are in Judaism which is important to study too. Judaism goes back even further to when God decided to reveal Himself and so has enormous knowledge of God. There is no mention in Isaiah or Daniel of the planet Kolob. Catholicism is built on Judaism just as Jesus said when he said “I have come to fulfill the law…” The Catholic church calls all christian churches to come home…remember also that “by their fruit you shall know them”…there are many holy men who love God and are not Catholic, they will be enlightened at the end that we are all one church in Jesus Christ. Jesus also condemned those who lead others down the wrong path…”woe to them”…His message was simple and anyone who claims to be a prophet has alot to answer for. David Koresh said he was Jesus and some of his followers who survived still believe that and have made a shrine to him in Waco. Looking in hat for visions, creating a fictional world, making God into a character with attributes, at age 14…about the time when schizophrenia or other mental issues could begin…very suspicious. The Catholic church rules out mental illness before acknowledging supernatural phenomena. Consider Jesus began His ministry at age 33 for a reason, He was an adult. Before you lead others into Mormonism remember to be careful with your soul, you only get one.

Yes, you will never find Kolob in the Bible. But it is also true that the Bible doesn’t contain all that God has to say for His people. God still lives today and has sons and daughters on earth who needs to know His word that is applicable for today. There are many things that wasn’t revealed yet. Therefore, God will still call prophets today to write and to behold the things that He wants all His children to know. Kolob is one of the important thing that His children should know. Jesus Christ said, this is life eternal that we might know Him the only true God and Jesus Christ whom He hath sent. John 17:3… We have to know everything about Him and know Him correctly.

Thanks for the additional information Jeff. it seems that we’re working as companions here. I can remember my mission back then when I worked as an Elder in one of the missions here in the Philippines. I don’t intend to offend but to say that “God is far more complicated than we can imagine” as Danielle had said in his statement is a real blasphemy. The Mighty God of whom we worship yearns for His children to understand and know Him. This is why He is calling prophets to help us understand His mind and His will for knowing Him will be the salvation of our souls. God is the God of understanding and simplicity and not confusion and complexity. It was written in John 17:3 “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” I am sure this scripture should also be found in Catholic’s bible. Life Eternal is knowing the God we worship. I do not worship a complicated God. Yes, it is true that the Catholic church was founded way back 2000 A.D. or more. But it began due to a claim that the bishop of rome succeeded Peter after his death thus continuing the line of priesthood authority within the church until today unbroken. But, remember John the apostle was still living during the time and holds the apostolic authority as Peter did. Therefore, since John was the last of the twelve who was living that time and who was in exile. He is the authoritative successor of Peter and not the bishop of rome. An apostle’s position holds all the keys of the church and is much higher in position than the bishop. God would not bypass John and give the key to the bishop of rome by that time and besides, it is John who receives the revelation as it is written in our bible today. If the bishop of rome succeeded Peter, then he should be the one receiving revelation for the church. John was taken up to heaven, not tasting death for he was translated and he brought with him all the keys and the priesthood of the church not having the opportunity to pass it to a rightful successor because the church is in its dark time and is under confusion because of dissensions and apostasy both internal and external. It was called the dark ages or the great apostasy which resulted in different denominations and religions until the time that John the baptist, Peter, James and John returned to earth as ministering angels to restore the priesthood that was lost to Joseph Smith Jun., The mormon church you call is the church that Christ had organized during His mortal days. It was lost because of wickedness. Read from the words of Amos… Amos 8:11-12 11 “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a afamine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:”

12 “And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.” The original primitive church was lost because of the death of the apostles who holds the keys of the priesthood. It was restored once again by visitation of angels in the last days through the prophet Joseph Smith. Here read in revelations 14:6 “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every enation, and kindred, and tongue, and people” If the fulness of the everlasting gospel was not lost, then why would the angel come having that everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on earth. There should be a restitution or restoration of all things. Acts 3:21-20 20 “And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:”

21 “Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.” Now this verse indicates that there will be a restitution of all things and that Christ will ascend up to heaven until the time of this restitution being spoken of when He will return and restore all that was lost. Ofcourse as Amos said in Amos 3:7
7 “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” He will call prophets to do that. This is why the boy Joseph Smith Jun., saw the Father and Jesus Christ in a glorious vision in answer to his prayer on which denomination he should join. He was answered and I paraphrase that he will join none of them for the church was lost and is to be restored through him, God’s chosen prophet for the last days.

If you say there’s no God, then how can we wake up and how can we open our eyes and set ourselves free. For God gives our life and He opens our eyes and He is the one who can set us free. Think brother, there are more things you have to realize.

I’ve known–and know–some very decent, intelligent Mormons, and it is a mystery to me how they can swallow these ridiculous stories and beliefs. And it’s more than a little unnerving that we could wind up with a Mormon president who believes this stuff (even if he doesn’t espouse it).

The earth is 4.5 billion years old .Dinosaurs ruled the earth for hundreds of billions of years.Darwin was dead on.We evolved from apes.I dont even know what you people consider to be the first humans.Neandertal ?Cro magnon?Homo habilus?Homo erectus?Leaky man?Lucy?I try my best to humor you religious people who have no interest in scientific facts,but this planet Kolob crap goes too far.Dont drink the koolaid.

I find the whole Kolob thing beautifully intriguing. What genius for J Smith to come up with that. I guess was an inspiration for L Ron and his Thetans.
Beats me however, that Abraham got to see all these stars/planets and then forget to tell those nearest to him about them (the Israelites) so that no mention is made of all this knowledge in any of the 39 books of the Old Testament but it was all entrusted to the angel Moroni who was to deliver it to Smith 3 millenniums later, or should I say 3 Kolob days later. According to Smith the biblical adage that “1000 years is as one day in God’s sight” has a literal underpinning in that one Kolob day is equal to 1000 Earth years. And also the sun does not derive its light from nuclear fusion. The source of its light according to Smith is the great Kolob itself.

I was wondering if my last comment went through? I would appreciate it if you would put it through because my husband and I feel that we are very experienced in our Faith in Christ and beings we have studied with Mormons and did not become Mormons, we have a right to be heard like anyone else. Thank you.

I appreciate your comments. The missionaries who taught you are not yet perfect like you and I are not yet perfect. They might have taught you things which might be confusing to you but if properly explained you will understand it more. I know what we believe and there were some things in your comments that I cannot accept. I am sorry for becoming so straightforward with my statements. I can attest that all of our doctrines are written and are demonstrable. If we can talk and discuss it personally, I can tell you. However, I do not debate on things so sacred such as this. I do not force my beliefs to those who do not want to believe. As long as I have made myself clear, that is all that matter, Mormonism is a pure religion. It was not founded by Joseph Smith, it was founded by Jesus Christ Himself who is the chief corner stone and stands at the helm of our church. Joseph Smith was just an instrument to restore this church that was lost long time ago after the death of the apostles who hold the rightful key for the administration of Christ’s church perfect order. The lost of the church and its priesthood had actually happened. Everything was restored now because of God’s love to his children. This church you call mormon and which we call The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true church of God and nothing else. It is built upon the foundation of prophets and apostles, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone. I know with surety that it is true. The rock upon which this church stands is governed by God through revelation. This will never be taken again from the earth until the second coming of Christ. The work of the Lord will continue roll forth and no unclean hands can stop it. If you want to know the truth, then open your heart and mind. Read the Book of Mormon from cover to cover and ask God if it is not true. I promise, God will show you the truth.

I find it insulting to my intelligence that my government requires that we give tax breaks to a religion that believes god lives on the mythical planet kolob.Everybody wants prayer in school until they start teaching the Koran or the teacher decides your hot looking daughter has been sent to him by god to be one of his sister wives.

nope, God did not change His mind. Plural marriage is part of God’s laws. It was evident during the time of Abraham, Moses, and King David. It was part of Theocratic Government that time. It was taken away because many people abuses the sacred power of procreation just like what King David did to Bathsheeba despite of the many wives God had given him. But, this law will be restored in God’s own due time. This is an absolute truth.

Mormonism is nuts. Christianity is nuts. Islam is nuts. Judaism is nuts. But really, I think Christianity takes the cake. Mormonism has the chutzpah to place its belief in the writings of a person whose existence can absolutely be ascertained; we know, from contemporary literature, that religions were blooming all over central New York State in the 1830s like dandelions in May. Joseph Smith was but one of the many snake-oil salesmen of the time; but he was a charismatic man with an astonishing set of steel testicles, not one to shrink from the most outlandish claims. (In this, he was following in a long line of liars who discovered that the grander the lie, the more likely it is to be the object of dismal admiration.)

Christianity, though, is positively hilarious. Was Jesus born in Nazareth? Or was it Bethlehem? Or did he descend from the heavens? Why did he seem to think the world would end in his day? Who was at his resurrection? Why were just those four gospels chosen to represent the whole truth of a new faith? The answers to these questions fall into two categories: one, absolute hilarity; two, the category of blind faith, foolish mental servitude.

Now, as to the Book of Abraham, well…it’s not a Christian text, and a decent textual analysis will show that the surfeit of “yea” and “lo” and “unto” and other antique applications of the modern interjection are but the beginnings of evidence that the Book of Mormon is a human (i.e., Joseph Smith’s) product. The Planet Kolob is just a thread in the grand fictional fabric of this fraudulent faith.

Emmett, Joseph was not a snake oil salesman.
Ask yourself this… WHY would a snake oil salesman continue to stand by his faith through all the beatings, ridicule, torcher, and finally martyrdom, for he surely knew that he would be killed in Carthage when he went?

Answer, there is NO WAY he would hold fast to the truth if he wasn’t doing God’s work.

Every one is entitled to whatever articles of faith that that choose. However, faith is NOT fact and no one is entitled to their own facts. All religions are guilty of this. The Mormon church is just more outside the realm of rational thought and scientific facts than most religions. The church’s practice and beliefs with respect to the role of Women, blacks, and bigamy, etc have relegated Mormonism to the fine line between cult and religion. An imaginary planet where God “lives” simply reinforces this conception among all but the most unquestioning of the faith. Just my own, unimportant opinion…

God is not a respecter of persons. You must have been outdated Michael. The church does not discriminate or put in subordination women and black people. They are as important as you and I are important to God. God just has his own time of giving the blessings to all of his children. Women has a different and important role that men could never do. Men holds the priesthood because that is their role and their duty but it doesn’t mean that women cannot take a leadership position within the church. They do not work under the priesthood but works with the priesthood holders to bring to pass God’s noble work for his children. Women in our church has far more privileges than other women in any other institutions and we greatly admire the way they do their duty. There were also black people who holds prominent position in the church and doing their duty very very well.

At this stage of the campaign I’m surprised that the “birthers” haven’t gone after Romney demanding his birth certificate. After all Mormons beleve that their god lives on a planet called “Kolob” I bet you need a passport to visit there. Moreover I wonder if they issue birth certificates on Kolob? I checked the Kolob website but its down for maintenance right now. I wonder why they are so silent on this cult issue?

If this came from an eygtian scroll, why didn’t the eygtians believe in it??? They believed in Amen The creater, Asar The father, Auset the mother and Haru the son, Which is the bases for all of your beleifs!!! Oh yes, Allah has three wives too!!! He is the moon god.

Abraham lived in Egypt due to the famine in Canaan. He is foreign to Egypt. He lived there long enough to be able to know their language. He preached the gospel to pharaoh including astronomy as it was revealed to him by God. Egyptians are gentile and a pagan nation by that time. They do not know the God whom Abraham worships. When Abraham came to Egypt, he was entreated very well by the pharaoh because of his wife Sarai. This gave him the opportunity to preach the gospel to the pharaoh and about astronomy. This also has been a good time for Abraham to learn their language. After the Pharaoh was plaqued because of taking up Abram’s wife into his house, he sent Abram away and his wife and all that he possessed and received from the Pharaohs house. He traveled towards Bethel and lived in Canaan. It is reasonable to say that the Egyptians continued their Pagan beliefs after Abraham left and had forgotten all things that he had taught. The scroll came not from the hand of the egyptians. It was written by the hands of Abraham himself who knows about the language of the egyptians.

The plain truth is Mormonism is not Christianity. Mormons do not believe that Jesus and God are one and the same.

The lie to Joseph Smith is revealed in Nephi 3 – When Jesus appeared to the people of North America the asked him ‘who are you’?. He replied Jesus Christ. This lie alone is enough to prove the falsehood of mormanism. Jesus was never known as Jesus Christ. Jesus of Nazareth -yes, Jesus son of God-yes, Jesus of Bethlehem-yes – Never Jesus Christ. A simple error by Smith – big enough to expose the LIE that is mormon.

Mormons do not recognize other forms of Christianity. Non Mormons cannot visit a mormon temple.

Obama is a Christian, Romney is not!

its as simple as that.

Jesus Christ is GOD! Anything less, and your religion is false. Don’t be offended, if you wish to be a Christian, and its on your heart, do not be afraid – seek out the truth, and embrace the real Jesus!

Christians do not be deceived – moronism is not of God. It is a lie and should be rejected as such.

Dude…so you don’t believe that Mormanism is real, but you DO believe that the “real” jesus walked on water and healed the sick and turned water to wine, and died but came back to life 3 days later?? who’s the crazy one here again?? How is it that you can call ppl who believe in Mormonism liars when the stuff you believe is just as crazy as them? why is your believe true? because it says so in a book? because other ppl say it’s true? because it’s “gods” word?? smh…wake up my friend. Either it’s all a lie or it’s all true, you can’t have it both ways.

Al…how do you know that Jesus is God? is it because you read it in the bible?? I’m just curious on how you obtained your information…seriously, I am curious about this. Many people get offended when I ask them about their religion, and I do not mean to offend you. Just asking the question.

Hi Al! First of all I would like to say that the church’s real name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We’re just called mormons because of the Book of Mormon. That book contains the gospel of Jesus Christ. The written words of the prophets called by God in the ancient america that was originally written in gold plates. It was translated by Joseph Smith Jun. through the power of God. I believe in God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and in the Holy Ghost. I believe they are three distinct personages and that they are one God because they are united in their purpose. That’s the meaning of being one God. UNITY is the word for their being One. It is clear in the Bible that God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are 3 separate and distinct being and they are all Gods. God the Father and Jesus Christ has a body of flesh and bones while the Holy Ghost is a personage of Spirit. This truth is not refutable. These are all written. I know Jesus Christ is God. He is the great Jehovah of the Old and Jesus Christ in the New. Now, how can you say that we mormons are not christian then? Sorry, take this question as no offense. I respect your beliefs and I expect you do the same to mine if you are a true christian then. Okay?

You are either purposefully misleading, or ignorantly stating that you believe in the Trinity. It’s a Trinity of sorts, but not the Christian Trinity. Mormons teach that these are three separate Gods, they are not three versions of the same being. Christians believe that Jesus is THE God in a human form, and that the Holy Spirit is THE God in a spiritual form. To Mormons the Heavenly Father is THE God, but Jesus is not his human version and the Holy Spirit is not his spiritual version, these are separate and distinct entities. That is one of, if not the, main division between the LDS religion and Christianity.

We believe in the Godhead. Trinity is a catholic version of what we know the Godhead. The difference is that like you have said that the trinity is one God in three different versions but our concept of that is Three distinct and separate personages as demonstrated in the Baptism of Christ, His transfiguration and prayer to the Father. Christ just could not pray to himself through His other version. That is silly.

Yeah, I never bought that one and I don’t think Jesus would have considered himself the GOD that he was praying to, either. Allowing for the moment that Jesus lived and said the things in the New Testiment, that person kept saying he was the son of man. How clear do you have to be? He didn’t say he was the God, made man-ish. He didn’t say he was the Son of the God. He kept saying his daddy was a man. The whole trinity thing is a warp that the Catholic Church got itself into while trying to diefy Jesus. It’s Catholic but not so Christian, really.

Oh really? You just said that Jesus was not known by His name Jesus the Christ? Let me tell you that the name Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus was stated in the New Testament 258 times by His disciples and apostles as they are preaching to the congregation of the church or making their epistle to them. When Jesus appeared to the ancient americas, it was after His resurrection and ascension to heaven. Therefore through revelation, the name Jesus Christ must have also been revealed to prophets called in the american continent in old days. The Aztecs as history says has a tradition that they had been visited by a white bearded God during the ancient times and history says that they called him Quetzalcoatl. When the spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés landed to mexico, he was met by the aboriginal people there who were called aztecs and had thought him to be Quetzalcoatl who have returned as He promised because his image resembles that of a White Bearded God who visited them. If you want more information about this, search the wiki about quetzalcoatl and Hernán Cortés. You will find information about the aztecs mistakenly thought that Hernán Cortés was the returning Quetzalcoatl.

Heed the words of the “Great Kahuna”! “And the great one said… “Put all Mormons and evangelicals in a spaceship off to “Kolob” and throw away the key!” And the rational people will inherit Mother Earth once again!”

A complete understanding of the utter nonsense of the LDS can be ascertained from understanding that their founder was a charlatan – who was run out of Chenango County, NY for fortune telling.
The whole basis of their religion is a fairy tale. One has to wonder how anyone can fall for such nonsense and still claim to be intelligent.

All I know is that I’m a jew and book 1 is pretty specific about those who are the chosen people. I’m also an intellectual, so I believe that book 1 is a bunch of horse shit designed to control the masses in a time when people were uncontrollabale (gee- we haven’t changed much, have we?)

Ethnically I identify with the history of my people- the rest is hogwash and sillyness…

Problem is if a certain person become president we are going to start spending nasa money trying to find something that doesn’t exist

All of you who criticize Mormonism as a “crazy” or “koo koo” religion are the same people who thing Jesus from “regular” Christianity walked on water, healed the sick magically, and turned water into wine. Why is it crazy to believe in Mormon fantasy but “regular” Christianity is REAL??? REALLY?? it’s all the SAME CORRUPT MIND CONTROLLING SLAVERY INDUCED GARBAGE!! All major organized religion is designed to scam the masses into complete submission. If you believe in “regular” Christianity, you might as well like Mormonism too fools!! wow. ppl are a little slow sometimes!!

You are a fool black. You yourself is a slave of your own corruption. Not knowing the truth is not freedom. The reason why you are saying that because you cannot do responsible and good things in life. Get a life Black or you will just remain as useless as you are now. Sorry but I hope you learn from it.

He don’t know about Christianity too, so how do he says such things to us Christians. I know I had been so harsh with my statement but I have to say that because he has to learn from what he is saying. All of you have been speaking so harshly against our beliefs. Just get a get a life if you don’t know anything else to do than condemning mormonism. We are a quiet people living our simple lives and yet we will defend what we know is true. Hope you get what I am sayin.

I have read all the comments, and being raised a catholic, I have more belief in science that cults.All these different religions are just a way to control people, the way it was centuries ago, that was the politics of the ancient times, the followers of all these cults are just mindless puppets supporting the “FALSE” prophets(so to speak). The bible is a history book of the times,the talk of aliens and planets is just human imagination,they are just story books. Every one needs to get a reality check,if you don’t have a conscience and know right from wrong, then nothing will change. Following a cult will not make a difference,for someone to push their opinion on someone else, makes the pusher more ignorant than the one being pushed. Constantly quoting something that was written centuries ago,are words but not reality, A certain person is going backwards and we need to move forward,we do not need a mindless backwards president,we have had enough puppets in that place already.

Interesting to read all this, though at some point it seemed to become a bit repetitive and tiresome. Rather than argue the fine points of specific religions, or examine the sillier aspects of their various Magic Books, I think it is correct to say each has its pluses and minuses. If you look at the timeline it is evident religions have several purposes.

One is to provide explanations for natural phenomena, starting with the very existence of the Universe. Much of that purpose has been undermined by science – for example, most of us know lightning is a meteorological occurrence and not an expression of God’s anger. There are those who will still doggedly try to link events with human decisions: AIDS is God’s punishment for homosexuality, drought is a result of human sinful behavior or electing a Godless President, etc., but most people give these extremists little credence.

A second purpose for a religion is to satisfy our need to resolve out fears about life events and weighty decisions. We pray for guidance when thinking about getting married, buying a house, and as a team before starting a high school football game. We have a way to explain when our prayers are not answered and ate happy to see it when they are – even though a statistical check might show an uncomfortably close correlation between the answered/not answered scorecard and random chance. Many of us need to believe there is some wise, reasoning higher power looking over our shoulders. Whether the higher power lets us fail or send us a miracle, we’re happy just to know we’re not in this cold world all alone. Also a formal religion provides some helpful explanations, a lens to see the seemingly random events of the world through more clearly. One child is born healthy and wealthy, another is born with cerebral palsy, and our religion can explain why – it’s God’s plan, of course.

A third reason to have a religion is to provide some sense this life isn’t all there is, and death is not the end. A religion generally includes explanations as to how a human might win immortal status through compliance with certain rules. Exemptions may be built in for certain groups, such as babies and foreigners too remote to have heard the word, so the go/no-go criteria don’t sound as cruel as they might with less lenience. Some popular variations on major religions today have gotten away from threats of eternal damnation and focus on the positive, with winning results. Few of the “mega churches” say much about hell, preferring to talk about nice things like love.

A fourth reason is to pass ancient human customs and morals on through generations. Certainly, humans learned many millennia before the Old Testament to live by “thou shall not kill”. Otherwise the primitive humans would have slaughtered each other and died out long ago. All the Ten Commandments are is a collection of survival and community building rules, with a little reverence for religion and previous generations tossed in. But they do a fine job of providing religious packaging what once would have been passed down only verbally by village story tellers, wise men and parents.

But one thing weighs on my mind: all religions require the believer to believe in spite of the peculiar aspects of its particular Magic Book, and in the face of facts. Even though there is a movement among evangelical Christians to try to use fossils, ancient history, astronomy etc. in support of Biblical verses, this movement also works very hard to discredit anything which offers any slight challenge. Religious “faith” is sometimes described as a “journey”, but it looks more like a destination. Once you have faith, you are expected to avoid any thoughts, experiences or factual materials that might challenge it. Faith is not so much a learning experience as it is a doggedly stubborn adherence to a rigid set of philosophies and tenets. I think the more detailed the Magic Book, and the more vociferous and certain its adherent, the greater chance that believer is wrong.

But I am not an atheist. I think atheism, determinedly denying the existence of any God, is an unscientific position akin to those who were so sure atoms did not exist. If we did not have so many giant questions for which God is still a possible answer, such as “why is there ANYTHING?” atheism might not look as bad ad it does but for now I see it as far too sure and specific to have much of a chance at being right.

Granted, the Mormon history looks pretty suspicious. The Book of Abraham as God wrote it through Joseph Smith just happens to have been written in the same variety of English as the King James Bible? Every con scheme has its giveaway, and there’s a big one. But what is the harm in a religion that is generally beneficent and moral, even if some guy wrote it up in upstate New York in 1820?

Because all major religions agree that there is one god and one truth that leaves religious people in a quandary to the observer, which one is the truth or are they are all wrong? Given the obvious commonalities and contradictions, it is easy for the logical mind to conclude that the latter analysis is correct. They are all wrong. However, there is hope. Let us talk about values instead of these fantasies. Once we agree on what is important, we can move forward in a united way.

I have just read someone saying that I have a mental illness… I understand that it is very hard for the majority of people to believe in such things as Kolob. But, if you and I have all the time to discuss and read in details everything on how I know that the Kolob’s theorem is indeed demonstrable and how it aligns with the teachings of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Atronomical findings and discoveries, I can give that all to you. But, evidences alone could not make you believe it without the confirmation of the Holy Ghost. When Jesus Christ was here on earth, He had shown to all people miracles even raising someone from the dead. But, there were only few who believed.

Now, I would like to re-emphasize that Kolob is an absolute truth. It cannot be changed or be made false by man’s opinion alone. God knows it and He can affirm it. It is tangible truth that everyone should know. Someone had said also here that God’s punishment is just simply a natural condition that triggered because of man’s doings. Yes it is absolutely true. God only warns us of the possible consequences of our actions and He really doesn’t want to execute judgement right away because God loves us so much. He doesn’t want us to be in trouble. But His laws are set and are irrevocable. Even God himself is bound with a law that He perfectly follows. However, God also is the preserver of all things. Therefore, in some cases, He himself passes judgement by altering the normal process of nature because God controls everything and can do all things by His will. God doesn’t want to punish us. It is us who punish ourselves when we do things that can eventually hurt us spiritually, emotionally and physically. In everything we do, consequences will follow depending on the choice we made.

I have also read that someone asks that how is it that God chose our galaxy to be His abode while there are an infinite numbers of galaxies all over the vast space of the universe. Verily, verily I say to all of you, we only refer to our God alone who is the Father of our Spirits and who reside at the center of our own home galaxy. Paul said in the bible, though there be gods many and lords many, to us there is but one God. God is not the only god in the universe, Jesus Christ himself have become a God like His Father right? There are also gods at the center of each galaxy in the vast universe. All of them are governed by the same law and teach the same gospel that Jesus Christ taught to us. In Psalms it was also said “ye are gods and all of you are children of the Most High”. God’s work and glory is to bring to pass our immortality and eternal life. Therefore, God wants us to become like Him also and create infinite worlds as He did for the infinite posterity that we will all have when we returned to Him in the Celestial place. Therefore, if we achieved that goal, we will become a God and will create another galaxy with another Kolob at its center. We will rule out our own galaxy and create million earths like this where all our spirit posterity will live and take their mortal bodies and follow the same process like the one we did and Christ did and the Father did to gain our exaltation. This is the meaning of the gospel. This is what the life of Christ shows. He said, he cannot do anything except what He seeth the Father do. He also tells us likewise when He said, follow me and do the things which ye have seen me do.

Why did he pick ours, because the one he grew up on as a man already had a god. When he grew up from being a man into being god, he had to go out and make his own universe.
If you were only a good Mormon, married for eternity and faithful, you could become a god pair unit and create your own galaxy/universe. You could create yours without cancer and without pain or however you thought would be best. Then you could get down to procreating little souls for all the offspring that your people were procreating in your world.

To Sherman,
I wanted to say I am so very glad that you have taken it upon yourself to defend my church. I am 17 years old, and I am a Mormon. I have never seen such cruelty, but it seems whenever you post a comment, 10 or so people click the “-” which makes me feel so sad people don’t want to understand our belief. I see some of your statements, and I absolutely agree with them, and then still others I do not want to say I agree with because I don’t want to agree with something I don’t completely understand myself yet. If all I have learned in my young life was that man is not perfect, I would see that this is definitely true. So many people want to hurt each other and tell the other they are wrong, but it not your life! YOU believe what you want, and stick to it! If anything, I wish people could just see that Mormons are good people; that they lead a good life and have something special about them, because they live how they live. That they have a message they want to share. If you reject it, fine, nobody will force you to do what you do not want to do. But what we all must do is grow up. I am only 17 years old, and I can see already that I am more mature than some of the people who post on this blog. Please keep your rude comments to yourself. Now even as I post this comment, I just feel the hate mail coming at me, but I need to stand up for what I believe in. I am a Mormon. I know it. I live it. I love it.

Thanks Bryson! I am so happy to hear from a LDS here. Thank you for your comments. Yeah! I know that our beliefs is not something futile and I know that all of it is true. I want to defend it all my life for as long as I live my mortal days. People who say something against it only proves that the church is really true. I know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-days Saints is the only true church upon the face of this earth. All people will come to know it at the last of all the days of this earth…

I’m with Bina – the Abrahamic religions are all founded on myths and stories told (better) by the Babylonians/Mesopotamians. The so called “Book of Morman” is just a more recent and more transparent fabrication.

The sooner we outgrow this rubbish, the better.

@Bina, I think the reasons Buddhists don’t insist that other religions are wrong, is that Buddhism isn’t a religion…

All of this God stuff and self righteousness is misguided. There is no such thing as truth and certainly absolute truth handed to us by a deity or a prophet. Truth evolves, it changes as we learn and grow. Laws change as we progress. Religious doctrines only impede the progress of humanity. When we surrender our own thoughts and ideas for the dictates of lunatics we become enslaved. You stop wondering and become an automoton where your freedoms are confined within your insidious scriptures. I’m so sickof God and Jesus and the like, people reciting ancient words as if its absolute. At some point on this planet Mom will purge us from her surface, only then will there be peace on earth.

If you say that there is no such things as truth, then what do you say about yourself and all the people in this world. Do you mean that this is all lie? That we don’t really exists? How foolish is that! If you say that when you believe in God will mean that you will be controlled and be dictated then I am telling you that you might be one of the person who do not believe and honor your parents for if you do you will have to subject yourself to them but since you don’t want to be controlled and be instructed then I believe you don’t obey and love your own parents for God is also our parent. God does not intend to enslave us but rather He want to make us free from sin that enslaves all mankind and make their life miserable. If there is no such things as God laws and truths, there will be destruction and death for all. You must be greatful that many people still believes in Him by now for if there is none, you and I should be dead by now. There are relative truths that evolves and absolute truths that cannot be altered by time. You must wake up to reality brother. How old are you now? You are still sleeping brother away from reality. Get a life.

Light makes no sense to a blind person either (not that Mormonism is light as it is a false religion). I agree with you that self-righteousness is misguided. I also believe that religion has been used for much evil. However, I would contend that those who “surrender their own thoughts” to lunatics do so just as readily for non-religious entities (i/e Nazi Germany, communists, etc…). The perversion of religion by some has no bearing on its veracity. Just because people have misunderstandings about the laws of physics that doesn’t make them any less true when properly understood.

Physics and religion if understood well are very much connected and cannot be separated. Physics and religion are not opposites they support each other. God and The Big Bang Theory and everything that relates to it are very much connected. The intelligence that God has and the intelligence that we have is not created or made. It is without beginning of days and end of years. And this intelligence is the very reason how the Big Bang started and everything that emerges from it that has come to existence. And the Gods has the Ultimate Intelligence which governs them all. The Intelligence of God is the law of nature which governs it. Therefore, God is an absolute truth.

Mankind has invented and reinvented God/Gods for millenia. God didn’t create us, we created him. Why? Because humans, of all living things are aware of their own mortality. Death is the one thing that all fear the most and will try to avoid at all costs. We constantly reinvent belief systems to give us hope of a life after death. It makes the knowledge of the inevitable end of our precious lives bearable. By holding out a reward of some kind of eternal existence, hopefully in the company of passed loved ones, religions have controlled and manipulated mankind throughout history. Benign religious doctrines have given us a measure of positive social direction, but all too often, religion has been used to funnel power and wealth into the hands of a few. “Do as we say, because only we have the divinely inspired truth and only we can interpret it’s meaniong for you; or burn in hell.”. The scariest forms of religiuos belief are those that teach that an apocalyptic event will preceed the return of a savior, to raise the “Elect”. The “End Times” is actually eagerly anticipated. Some would even wish to speed the return of a “Savior”. The Mormon’s believe that we are in the last of a series of time periods, called dispensations that will usher in the “End of Days”. Imagine a Mormon President, with his finger on the nuclear button, who believes that global distruction will usher in a golden age, for Mormon’s.

If you don’t believe in such things brother then your life is misdirected and has no purpose on it for you seems to say that there is no existence after life or even before life and that believe in God is only the creation of man’s mere imaginations. You don’t really have the reasons not to believe things you do not see just because you do not see them with your own eyes. Well perhaps you don’t believe that this earth is round because you haven’t see the shape of it yourself. Perhaps you think it is flat because you see everything that is around you is on a flat ground and not round. Farmers believe that when they planted a seed it will grow and produce fruit and this make them work harder towards the end despite of them not having so sure that they will see the harvest. I don’t see God and the after life but I know they are there and they exists. I workout my salvation and follow their commandments because I am waiting and hoping for that end to come then I will receive it from God’s own hands. Whether there be life after death or no, I will continue my endeavor until I see for myself that there is or there is none. Why? Because, my very life today is my reason to believe it. I know it’s preposterous to you but great will be your regrets when you found out and it was too late. Good luck to you brother.

Leave it to the Mormon Religion to regard John Smith as a profet in the new world
a known lawless and con artist,. God talked to him! REALLY ?
Then appatrently come out with a position in the universe were heavens exist, planet Kolob……the premiss for GOD is simple and unalturated there is order and therefore creativity in the universe – everything else is MAB NMADE and therefore faulty , that is why we have so many Religions and so many crazy so called false profets, so called Priest, so called Muslins, so called Evangelist
all proven evil , hiding behind the shield of religion

Ron Hubbard founder of Scientology is another of the “Joseph Smith con the suckers” breed,,,,Smith knew the farmer in New York State would not have a clue about the Koran,,so he amazed the “unwashed” with his “revelations” many just variations on a theme of the Koran.
PT Barnum was right,”there’s a sucker born every minute”
The problem with the Mormon “religion” is the end justifies the means so any lie,distortion or half truth necessary to convince the masses,is considered a good methodology,Willard Mitt Romney has learned from his Mormon teachings quite well.
Old Josef Goebbels called it “THE BIG LIE”!

You all give me a headache!! You can sit and tout your philosophies and faiths and so called truths till you are blue in the face but none of you can Prove Any of it is in Fact Truth. It’s all opinions, beliefs.
The only thing we can know for sure is that this is a complex and amazing body we have, earth we live on, universe we are discovering new things about daily and we have very limited understanding of the Big Picture all these philosophies and faiths seek to answer.
No one can tell us for absolute certain what came before and what comes after this physical life we are experiencing. All we have is the present and in that present we all breathe from one great air, drink from one great water, and live on one great planet. If we don’t learn to live together on it in balance and take care of all that is on it, in it, around it there isn’t going to be a damn thing left for anyone to have power and control over or to be “right” about anything anyway! It’s time for everyone to stop arguing about opinion and faith and deal with finding solutions to the problems we all have on common ground.. the sustanance of this earth with clean air, water, soil and nutritious food.

The complex and amazing body that we have or the earth that we live on and your very life and self is an infallible truth that God exist and that He has established His true church on this complex and amazing body we call earth. The mind of man and its capability to discover complex things and create wonderful technologies is one of that proof and evidence. The knowledge and discoveries that we have now may seems very limited compared to what you say the Big Picture, the knowledge and discoveries that we have are continually expanding because there is an infinite source of knowledge to be discovered and all of that was created and came from our Father. The complexity of mathematics and the endless counting of numbers and our ever increasing knowledge about science is a proof that God do exist and as we continue to discover many relative and absolute truths, the more we are getting nearer to Him. All the philosophers have affirmed that despite not all the scientists believed on it. Yet still, no one can ever prove that God does not exist. If you say so, then give me proof then I invoke that God will smite you with a real proof that you will regret of.

I hate to break it to everyone, but the reality is that most religious debate is silly. Nothing in any religious book should be considered to be literal. In reality, all religions are made by man to soothe our fears… and most likely it is all BS based in nothing more than human fraility. Do I HOPE it’s real? SURE! BUT, hope is just that… not based on reality. Is religion truly the opium of the people? Most likely!

If you hope for it then hold fast to that hope and never give up. Giving up is not very far from being dead. You are not dead Rick you are alive. Do not give up your hope for truth about God for I myself have know and have tasted His goodness.

Yeah, well, I would like to believe in a fairy princess but that doesn’t bring me one millimeter closer to it being a fact. The only place in which belief manifests reality is in our brains and what we can do with an idea. All of us together believing in God will not make it true. However, the idea in the brains of the evolved primate species does manifest some wild religions! I view it all as a mass delusion and a platform for power because it is both. Could God be a fact anyway, whether we believe it or not? Sure. But, personally, I’m gonna continue to plan on my current lifespan and leave the rest to the imagination of those for whom the current lifespan is somehow not enough.

Oh how could a man be lying in the midst of mobs beatings, humiliations, sufferings and even death just because He could not deny that He did actually speak with God. He wouldn’t give up his life and all that he has for just a lie. He couldn’t even translated an inspired and wonderful book that changes many people’s lives in a demented mind. No one has ever match the works the Joseph Smith Jun., had done for the benefit of man except Jesus Christ. He died as a martyr. He died nobly and stands with God to judge the nations at the end with Christ our Lord and Savior. Contemplate about this truth with a sincere heart. Believe it or not, it is true.

You do not seem acquainted with the incredible power of a demented mind. They concoct some really wild stories and with incredible detail. Witness your own dreams when you are basically unconscious. Just because a story has an emotional effect on people, it doesn’t mean the story is true, ask Steven King. If you are willing to accept the amazing and outlandish storyline, then defend it as truth, do not expect many to join in the delusion. Only the very gullible, and those born to it, are likely to remain faithful. So take a lot of wives and have a lot of babies, eh, Smith? Cogent enough to understand how to keep the delusion alive.

Hello, Suzzanne. I know the scriptures very well before I joined the church and based on that knowledge and understanding I had with the scriptures and the feelings I had as the missionaries taught me is a very different experience I ever had the reason why I joined. I should be the one to say that to you. If you read the scriptures then I say that you don’t really understand them. You just read and look on a very small picture of it but not the biggest picture. If you are really studying you have to know the history, the background of every chapters and verses that you have read. Not all that was written should be taken literally and it requires the Spirit of God to understand the symbolic and deepest part of the scriptures. That is one thing you lack for you rely on your own knowledge and think that you are very very experienced with the word of God and that you are very confident that you can answer every question with the little knowledge you have about God. You just can’t sister. You just can’t. I am only 28 years old and yet I know a lot about Him and still do not boast in my own strength and knowledge because I know that what I knew is just a fragment of the whole truth that God possess and that I will never knew it unless God will impart that knowledge to me. There are so many things that I still don’t know. The missionaries did not just tell me everything they have to say about mormonism and about God. We study together and I am just humble enough to listen to them and exchange ideas with them with a deepest RESPECT because they deserve it. RESPECT is that what you lack that is why God withheld His Spirit from you so you do not understand the deepest things of God’s kingdom and His mysteries. Yet still, I respect you due to the fact that you are a daughter of God and deserves respect. I became a missionary at the age 23 and have taught a lot of ministers among all different sects. I am also glad to note here that most of them responded with respect to my teachings since I have used a pure and respectful languages. The word of Christ is true, “Do thou unto others what you want others do unto you” “Do thou not unto others what you don’t want others do unto you.” They even told us that their experience with us is very different from any other religions who visited them and that is the first time they entertained other religions in their house for a long time. Now, regarding the thing you said about Jesus Christ saying “It is finished” before He died on the cross. You are totally misunderstanding that pure statement from Christ or your preacher might have interpreted it so differently. If by what you mean He says it is finished is that all His works done is all that we needed and nothing more, then I ask why after His resurrection He charged His apostles to “teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of The Son and of The Holy Ghost”. And why He did appear to apostle John and gave him revelations concerning the last days if you are saying that Jesus Christ meant is that all His works is finished. That is not reasonable. When Jesus Christ said it is finished, He is referring to His atoning sacrifice that He has to perform in mortality to save those who will believe and follow him and have faith on His name. It means that He had successfully finished the works that the Father would have Him do in the flesh to save all mankind from sin and that is His atonement. It started from His agony in gethsemane that continued to His death in Golgotha and had ended through His resurrection. He just invoked the words before He died on the cross because He had so much faith already that God would raise Him from the grave and thus finishing His atoning sacrifice by overcoming sin and death in the flesh. But that doesn’t mean that all His works are finished for the end is not yet but nigh at hand. There are still a lot of works to do. As long as God lives and He lives forever, there will be no end to His works and even His words. The end page of the Bible is not the end of His words. HE will still continue to call prophets and impart of His words to them to teach to His children for as long as there are worlds like this without number that is being inhabited by His spirit children all throughout our universe. Contemplate that Suzzanne. You have to know more than what is being preached unto you by your false preachers. You must be questioning your own preachers by now. They are the real false preachers not us. To say that God is not doing anything by now because everything is finished and just watching us perish in our sins in this day is a big no no and a big blasphemy. God couldn’t just sit in His throne and watch the destructions and wickeness in this world. He is exhausting every infinite efforts He could do to save all those who will believe on His name and follow Him in this last days. God loves all His children beyond all description. He weeps because of the iniquities of mankind and just could not sit without doing anything about it. I would suggest that you be humble Suzzanne and invite those missionaries again in your house and discuss about the simplier things about life. I promise you will have a great experience if you do. Do not limit God of His works by your beliefs. Don’t believe your preachers but believe in God who will speak to your heart. And in addition regarding to those New Revelations that you condemn by citing a scripture that we preach any other gospel, than what has been received, I am telling you that we preached the very same gospel that Christ preached during His mortal days. We never changed anything from that and if there are new revelations I am telling you that there are also new revelations received by the apostles by that time after galatians and the apostles preached it because it came from God. Now I say the reason why we have new revelations is that God continue to speak to us through His chosen living prophets this day. We are so much blessed that we know that. In other words We have the living Present Omnipotent God while you are living with your God in the past. We are in the present state sister and that God you believe in the Bible still breathes today and alive! He speaks and moves and do His works for the salvation of His children. The work of our God has no end, What about your god?

I just spoke with my God on the celestial cellphone and she said your God is full of himself. No God is better than another God or they would not be “gods” so you can take your specialness attitude and put it in the proverbial fleshy tube.

Yes, He is better than any other gods, He is higher than Jesus Christ who is also a God. He is the God of gods for He is the Father of the gods. Do you have enough? If you don’t have any good things to say, just remain silent and talk to other people who are the same as you because we are not interested in your views as you are not interested in ours. Don’t waste your time here. If you don’t believe, well that’s your choice and I respect that. But I expect that you do the same. :)… I am just sayin`. Good luck.

Although I haven’t seen or met you personally. I have faith that you are a very good and reputable person. It was said in the scriptures that out of the mouth of 2 or three witnesses, the truth shall be established. The testimonies that we have borne here along with Bryson’s simple and meaningful testimony are recorded by angels and can be found in the book of life. I know that we will all stand at the last day and with the Lord judge this people who had posted here and all the nay sayers. Thanks for your help. Hope to be able to talk with you personally someday. I know we’ll have a good talk. God bless you and your family.

Hey, guys all of you who spoke of things against Mormonism. You are all hopeless and helpless. I pity you all. If you will not repent, judgements awaits your soul. You are free to laugh about Kolob as what you are doing right now or have been doing. You even cannot refute our statements. All you just do is to laugh at it and say something which is not good about it. But, to prove it is not true, you cannot. You will never disprove it for it is as real as the sun shining in brightness during the daytime. The day will come that God will reveal all things and that includes Himself and you will awake in that day knowing that you have mocked upon the things of God. What a pitiful sight that’ll be and how tragic to see that more of the beloved children of the Father will be lost forever. But you still have the chance brethren don’t give up that hope to the Devil. Have faith in Christ, repent and be baptized in His name that ye may be saved. Choose ye this day beloved brethren whether ye will choose Eternal life or eternal death. By the authority of God which is in me, I invoke a blessing or a curse depending on your choice. I say all this by the Name of Jesus Christ our Head, Founder and Savior. Amen

I so love the defense of: Your saying something other than what the church/BOM says so you have been or are being lead astray by the devil therefore nothing you say has any merit. Way to use your brain. Ask yourself this: Which are you more sure of, that God gave you a complex brain and highly tuned senses with which to explore and understand the world or that god gave you the BOM and told you NOT TO EVER QUESTION IT OR TO DISOBEY THE MEN WHO CLAIM TO BE GOD’S MOUTHPIECE.

We you call Mormons believe that God the Father (Elohim), God the Son (Jehovah or Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Ghost are Three distinct personages with Unity in purpose. They are not in three version of a single person. That is totally incomprehensible. God is the God of understanding and not confusion. Does this answer your question Brutus? Other religions might tell you otherwise. But, what is written in the Bible tells us that God and His Son and the Holy Ghost are Three distinct personages. God the Father and The Son having a body of flesh and bones while the Holy Ghost is a personage of Spirit.

because the God of the Old Testament was Jesus. He exlpained this to the pharisees when he quoted David saying “The Lord said unto my Lord” and then he asked them if God is the Messiah how is he his son?

That was him trying to explain that David’s “Lord” was Jesus before coming and he had his Lord who is God.

There are references brother, Jesus Christ said that He is the express image of His father. When he was resurrected, he has body of flesh and bones that is perfected. God also said that man was created in the image of God and we were created with bodies of flesh and bones. If we were just created in God’s image then why God doesn’t have a body then we as His creation has? You just need some common sense to understand that. Do you have that common sense. I think you don’t.

If you are referring to a God who has three different forms. Well, my God is a tangible being who has a body of flesh and bones as Jesus Christ has a body of flesh and bones. We are created in His image. The Godhead whom I believe composes of Three separate and distinct Personages. The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost. The Father and The Son has a perfect tangible body of flesh and bones while the Spirit doesn’t have a body of flesh and bones. I do not believe in a single god who has three different forms or should I say three different versions. That is totally inconceivable.

I was on TV once. Didn’t work out so well. The trashbag I was using for clothes snagged on a fire escape ladder as I was running from the police, exposing myself in front of a local camera crew. Local News got the whole thing. Oh well, these things happen.

Neat stuff they’re doing there in Utah. I’ve got another tip: When you’re preparing to burn a tire in your front yard, (either for heat or for fun), only dump 1 quart of oil on it instead of the normal two we all use. It’ll smoke less and the neighbors seem to appreciate it.

What a bunch of BS. Kolob, Abraham, John, Jesus… Adult fiction character and places just like in the movies. Jedi “force” is a ridiculous idea when analyzed logically, however it makes a lot more sense than Christianism, Islam, Mormonism, Judaism, etc.

NO…I DON’T PLAY FAVORITES.SATANISIM IS A VERY “DEVILISH “DOCTRINE THAT “DECIEVES MANY WHO FEEL REJECTED,HELPLESS,HOPELESS..IT MAKES THEM BELIEVE THEY CAN HAVE “POWER” OVER ALL THE HURTS IN LIFE…WE ALL KNOW THAT THESE FEELINGS ARE PART OF OUR EXISTANCE…WE ALL MUST FACE THEM ,AND OVERCOME THESE INNER FEELINGS…STUDY TO KNOW YOUR TRUTH.

I love Jesus and what he did for me and all of us actually whether you believe it or not. Another thing: I found a Mad Magazine in the Garbage can outside the soup kitchen where I eat. I took it in the Public Library to read on the toilet but while they were dragging me out I dropped it. Bad start to the day, still Thankful though!

Thanks iceiceice for that reference. These people we have here is saying that science and religion are two opposing things. Well, we tell them otherwise. Science has lots of discovery and inventions that reveals the reality of things of what they realle were, are or really they will be. What these people do not understand is that science only discovers the workmanships and the laws of God working in harmony in nature. They do not understand how the creation spoken of in the bible really came to be. They think that God created all things in this world in just a week like the week we know. They do not understand the reckoning of time that God has in His own sphere when He created this earth. Matter, Antimatter, and Energy and the Big Bang theory. The black holes and many other things about galaxies and its origin and existence and the atoms itself if understood by these people, will show them the grandeur of God’s creation or should I say Gods’ creation. The triumph of good over evil which is symbolic to the triumph of matter over antimatter which provides materials with which the Gods created worlds without number. The center of the galaxies which composes a supermassive blackholes which creates an unending cycle of matter and antimatter annihilations that produces a big bang at the center which creates countless numbers of matters being dispensed everywhere throughout the galaxy. The universe is the galaxy of galaxies and these massive systems orbiting the entire universe works through a subtle force we call intelligence or the light of truth which guides the energies to form and create matter and antimatters throughout the universe and this intelligence is the intelligence of the Gods. The intelligence we have is the very reason why our body works and how we think, discovers and invent many things and guide the energies that surrounds us to make something useful for our living. And that is also the way God our Father in Heaven provides for us His children. I grieve that these people doesn’t know a lot about these for they closed their doors to truths that lies beyond the boundaries of what they know present realities.

I HAVE SEARCHED AND STUDIED MANY RELIGIONS.I MUST SAY THAT MORMONS ARE DEVOUT IN WHAT THEY BELIEVE…THIS DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE CORRECT IN WHAT THEY BELIEVE.THEY ARE A VERY SECRET ORGANIZATION.AFTER DEEP STUDY I REALIZE SOME OF WHY THEY KEEP SECRETS…ONCE YOU REALLY JOIN THE ORGANIZATION ,IT MAY COST YOU YOUR LIFE TO GET FREE FROM THEM.STUDY FOR YOURSELF….DON’T JUST FOLLOW EVERY DOCTRINE.

Oh! Beware of false accusations. I am a member of the church and have been inside the temple. The church is not hiding something from the masses. The temple is not hiding something. The principles that are being taught inside the temple are pure and beautiful. There’s nothing evil I have seen inside. Actually, we invite all people to come to the temple and see the beauty that it has inside. But ofcourse, the knowledge that is to be obtained inside the temple are too sacred to be revealed in public and there’s a lot of preparations to be done before you will be able to enter there. I was sealed with my family for eternity inside these magnificent temples. I have a testimony as a new member of this church that it has nothing evil that is being done inside.

Actually, the LDS Church uses inflated numbers. They include non-active (some inactive for 20+ years, which is not a member at all) as being part of their active membership. They still claim me as a member because I haven’t sent in my walking papers or been excommunicated, and I’m about as casually anti-mormon as they come. Which reminds me, it’s about time to send that letter.

Just a quick comment. As far as our temple work goes, Someone in your family has to give permission somewhere for this work to be done. I was born and raised Mormon. Went inactive for several years before going back. I love the church and know it’s true. I also know about the temple work. I have family members I can’t do the work for, cause someone in the family doesn’t want it done. So, please get don’t blame our church, and find out who’s really in your family. I don’t mean to offend anyone, but please learn about us, before trying to cut us down. Thanks, and God Bless.

“The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done” … The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is constantly expanding and will soon span every continent.

All right, I know this comment is going to get a lot of dislikes but I’m going to say this anyway. I am NOT a Mormon but I do believe that this website is offensive to those of the Mormon religion. Yes I do admit they believe in “crazy” things but people can believe in what they want to believe in- look in the Bill of Rights, freedom of speech and freedom to practice religion. All right dislike this I DARE YA. But seriously, I’m not Mormon(I memorized the lyrics to the Book of Mormon and even saw it- and laughed hysterically) I’m Cathiloc (people also thing this religion is weird too).

J. Smith was a snake oil salesman turned religious profit and his story about it all is even crazier than the rest (Muslin, Catholic/christian, etc..)

Want to build a temple? Google where the one wall is left of the orginal.

Religious tolerance- all for it- but only for those who tolerate the others (and don’t baptize dead people by proxy especially) You’ll never escape your past-and present). Morons might as well be scientologists IMNSHO…

“The Standard Of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.” – We honestly dont care what you guys think or say. You cant tell us that we don’t believe in christ when we know for ourselves that we do.

They believe crazy stuff, yes, but they are really nice people. Nobody can prove with 100% accuracy what happens when we die, so calm down and enjoy life and try to be nice to everyone. That is how you have a good life and become more like Christ, Dali Lama, Mother Theresa and other really, really nice people.

I am a former Mormon. I have many family members that are Mormons. The Mormon beliefs are pretty bizarre, attacking them is not a way to guide them into the light of the Creator of everything… which is Jesus. Mormons do believe that Jesus is Satan’s Spirit brother, and all other kinds of crazy ideas. All of which are a lie from Satan himself. The best you can do is pray for mormons, love them into the kingdom, like Jesus would have you do. Attacking their beliefs is no way to gain the trust of any Mormon. Love them. It is the only way.

Who cares about the Mormon Religion, I mean they seem to take care of their own, and are very community orientated, why don’t we bitch about religions and cultures that allow atrocities, such as Honor Killing, and the extermination of other religions, because their god or gods are the only true god, but is not powerful of enough god to do his own bidding, so it’s up to the people to prove their faith, to their god or gods, by exercising the will of god. Mormons seem to be a live and let live religion, I don’t necessarily like the religion myself, but I don’t hate it, because, most Mormons I know are nice people, that would go out of their way for you. Not Kill their Wife, because she looked at another man, pretty sure Mormons aren’t teaching psychotically killing your spouse or daughter in a fit of rage, is taking the moral high ground. I never read their books, so I don’t know for sure. Also, Mormons, like all religions, had psychotic leaders, and has a checkered past, but Unfortunately, that’s normal, all religion histories are checkered, just like all organizations,religious or other wise, one bad apple can ruin the bunch, or what not.

Sherman I love your knowledge,you are a true defender of the faith.Do not take things too personally , most of the people would ridicule Jesus.What surprises me is the lack of knowledge about Joseph Smith,but it was said his name would be had for good and evil.These so called Christians who attack the Church could learn something from the atheists at least you know they don’t know.But believers should know better.I like Jeff,s comments,and big thank you to Bryson..Kindest Regards Terry.

To so called Mormons and the rest of you so called Christians. Why don’t you change your collective name to morons.
Where is the archaeological proof of a man being swallowed by a whale the proof of a so called king David or Israelites in Egypt I could go on and on. Keep believing your dogma because you have no proof of anything especially books that constantly contradict themselves. By the way you claim to to follow some type of Ten Commandments and I can read for myself that your not to believe in idols so why don’t you take that biggest idol of all the so called CROSS and shove it up your …. Well I think you catch my drift. And yes I’m an ex Mormon, ex baptist, ex methodist and now im what is the real truth just an atheist. Hey keep on hating on each other maybe you all can go to war and exterminate yourselves

I guess I have a little more to say. This is directed especially to the gutless and spineless ex morons(mormons) that now espouse that you’re now a true Christian. It’s unbelievable that you can accept a guy building an ark and filling it with animals and floating around on it for 40 days because the whole earth flooded and everyone else died.You also accept that a baby was born by a virgin, he later turned water into wine that was followed by being killed on a cross after which just 3 days later he jumped up and said he was alive and then proceeded to disappear into thin air. But you had an epiphany one day and found it hard to believe a couple of Jews jumped in boat and sailed to America.
Your ex morons aren’t fooling anybody at least to anyone that used to belong to the moron faith. You either couldn’t hack it cause you couldn’t live it or you were kicked out, not because of the top 10 crazy things Mormons believe. If you don’t believe in crazy Mormon stories how do you believe crazy bible stories. Like I said you’re gutless

These people are such haters. And that is why, dear Daniel Finney, you made a mistake. You say, “love them into the Kingdom” but so much of what I read in this forum is hate and contempt. This is no kingdom I want to be part of. You should have said hate them into compliance. “And by there fruits ye shall know them”. Mormons may have some crazy ideas but so did Tesla, George Washington, Galileo, and dare I say Christ. It amazes me the venom that comes from these people in a day if it were directed to any other group it would not be tolerated. It would be on CNBC & CNN. There would marches down broadway, and Bill Maher would be inviting president Obama to make comment. It reminds me of those pesky Jews during the 1940s in Germany. They had some bizarre and crazy ideas. This hole forum outrages me! It was probably started by a woman or better yet a fat black Muslim lesbian. How dare any one even start such a forum! What hypocrisy! HOW DARE THESE PEOPLE CRITICIZE ANYONES FAITH, RELIGION, HERITAGE, CULT-URE, OR LIFESTYLE. HYPOCRITES! THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED! These are the people that should be shunned and are crazy. And by the way, dear Daniel, fellow readers, Its interesting to me that in recent years, cosmologists and astronomers have discovered regions in the universe that would just fit such a description of a Kolob. Go figure.

did Monty Python wrir all the above – it is comedy at its best, liars trying to oultlie each other and each justfying their own non-evidentiary beliefs with “evidence” taken from their own so-called scriptures. All you all do is prove there is no god, no heaven and no eternal life – get used to that , be good to others and live a happy life

Let us talk crazy! Evangelical’s believe, today in the year 2013, that the Earth is flat, that the Sun rotates around the Earth, that atoms do not exist, the flood in the Bible was caused by a canopy of water that hovered over Earth, light years slow down or some believe there is no such thing as light years, and on and on.
So, before you start making fun of some one else’s religion, look into all religions and I guarantee you will find crazy beliefs in ALL of the religions!!

There have been new discoveries about Abraham. These new discoveries say things about Abraham that the Book of Abraham say about Abraham. One example is that Abraham was taken captive. The Bible also mentions many, many other writings that man no longer has. Where are those writings, and what was on them? So to say the Bible is complete is not true, because the Bible says there are more writings, and the Bible says that everything Jesus said could fill the world. Not everything was written down about Jesus and what He said, and that is in the Bible.

I have read all of the comments on here. To believe that a God exists and resides at the central point of this Galaxy is actually pretty fascinating to me. It makes a lot of sense that he would be there in the center of all his creations, with everything circling him. I love astronomy, I am getting my minor in astrophysics. I have always believed that we are not the only ones out there. After studying and realizing the sheer size of the universe makes it pretty hard not to believe there are numerous Gods and other creations out there! Our Galaxy alone is 100,000 Light years across. Astronomers have found a Galaxy that is 6 MILLION Light years across, and have found Quasars 4 Billion Light years in diameter! WE ARE NOT ALONE!
Now as for the people that say there is No God- I am not disrespecting you, nor am i going to ridicule you for what you believe. All I am saying is you should study the stars! There is no possible way that anything in space could exist or operate the way they do without a Creator/God. Every moon, planet, star, solar system, galaxy, and so on are in pefect order and are being governed by the really Massive stars in the center of the galaxy! Youtube “center of the galaxy”. There is a video that will zoom in and will take you right into the center of the galaxy where you will see really huge stars that are orbiting a REALLY REALLY big invisible object! Astronomers have seen some really strange behavior there! Infact, a recent study just last year, scientists and astronomers have discovered about a dozen stars revolving around the center http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/05/scientists-closing-in-on-black-hole-at-center-our-galaxy/
Check it out, this stuff is AMAZING! It is soo fascinating !! 

Sherman and Jeff I feel sorry for you with your passive aggressive rants. I live in south east idaho married to a lds man. Unfortunately all your arguments a for a loss because where I live it’s a free for all on changing doctrines and revelations! Children and adults alike are taught to not associate with anyone who is not Mormon and popularity is what important during church. And yes this is the majority of members behavior here. I have to say I am disappointed you did address questions asked of you about radical and women. (Meaning timelines of d

To mormons and non-Mormons. I’m tired of people hating on this religion. Why attack Mormons if you’re Christian. Mormons are. Christain too. There is only a few differences and just cause there are some weird beliefs doesn’t mean y’all should think of Mormons as bad people. Just accept them for who they are. Maybe of you wouldn’t harden your hearts you could pray about it. If you don’t believe in anything as a whole I respect you. I’ll pray for you that you can truly see for yourself in the future. Mormon’s don’t have a different bible from anyone else. It’s all the same bible. We respect you now please respect us. Ask and you shall receive. So pray with a full heart.

I was once a member of the LDS church as I was lured in with their talks of everlasting peace and eternal marriages. They failed to mention the darker side of it, which didn’t rear it’s ugly head until about 6-8 months after my baptism and confirmation. In bible study class one Sunday morning, we were allowed to watch a movie about Jesus of all people coming over from the Holy Land to teach, guess who? The Ancient Aztecs as described in this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99vZBnm-S1U. They also claimed that astrology, astronomy, and tarot cards were the work of the Devil when my own mother uses such things as they commented that using such things will make you become possessed by the Devil himself.
The youth of the church were gathered for a pilgrimage to the LDS temple where we were baptized for the dead. All of those people of which I did not know, nor did I know why we would have any right to “convert” the dead by being dunked repeatedly in religious white robes and barely given enough time for a breath before the next round. My very first temple trip, I was dunked 13 times for dead people I didn’t even know! Watch out as the missionaries will harass you to come back to church months or even years after leaving in order to pressure you into returning!!

Being a senior in High school and raised in the “Mormonism” or Mormon church(I prefer Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints) I know what they teach. I have lived in several different areas so I know that they are constant. I have taken seminary (a period in school that an ordained teacher can teach out of the Book of Mormon and Bible) and through the four years I have learned teachings from the Book of Mormon, D&C, Pearl of Great Price, Old testament, and New testament (King James version). No parts were left out of any teaching as we went through each part by reading almost every verse. Also none of these teachings are the same book just because they are bonded together. I personally have a Bible, Book of Mormon, D&C, and Pearl of great price all bonded together. And I would believe that very few people would think of those all the same just because they are bonded together. Besides the Bible is not One book, it is a compilation of several teachings of the prophets of Christ.

I have a full testimony of Jesus Christ and of the Mormon teachings and have felt Gods presence in my life. I also believe that all the trials in my life are given to my by god, and that he only gives my trials that are hard for me because he loves me and wants me to progress. I don’t know where god lives all I know that he is watching over all of us at once and loves us all.

I have been looking for and collecting native american artifacts for nearly 56 years. I have not yet found a spear point or knife blade made by the native americans made of metal. They are all Stone and made by stone Age people.

God, the trinity. The father is the spirit head of the deity and judges no one, Christ(Jesus)is given authorithy by the father because he is the only one found worthy to judge all, and is the creator of all things. The Holy Spirit is the comforter that does just that and is the revealer of all truth , teaches us all who believe in the son. These are three separate dieties that work together in the God head with equal power for the benifit of the creation. IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN THE SON OF GOD , you still will be judged by him at the Great White Throne Judgement at the end of the Tribulation. This is one appointment that all should do their best to avoid, because this is final damnation.

For some reason some societies produce people who have a profound need to be told. Anything. But most especially they need to be told just how to be basic human beings. Religions satisfy that need in those people.

Geographical regions like Europe produce that type of person in droves. I think it has something to do with the hierarchical system of social stratification typical of European societies: hence the King becomes an analog for “God”.

When you socialize (or brainwash) people for long enough with enough force/coercion/manipulation they become essentially servant populations with no aspirations beyond their stations…just a blind need to be told & acceptance of that impulse as a religious affinity.

Religions are cults because they are dogmatic, steeped in arbitrary rules & unfounded demands on unquestioning acceptance, they even have excommunication when cult members do not tow the line. They are hierarchical with specified rulership based mostly on charismatic personalities….meaning rulerships is not based on rational criteria but on who is the most popular and able to garner the most votes.

Kinda like “democracy” (& by extension nationalism)…which also exhibits very cult-like attributes.

And the funny thing is they claim to support free will as the most valued of human possibilities, but none of them actually do in practice.

And yeah, I read the POGP as well as the Book of Mormon—the LDSers actually call it “The Book Of Mormon”.

When I was in the Capital, I met a few Mormons and was missionized several times. I had a great conversation with an Elder but his mission partner was disapproving the whole time. The next time they sent someone else.

I have no respect for any cult that is built on lies, hypocrisy, diminution of the actual human spiritual experience through dogma, propaganda, and arbitrary hierarchical codes.

Using Ancient Rome 3D in Google Earth, you can explore Rome as it appeared in 320 A.

In addition, the observing surgeons could transmit their comments to the operating surgeon, who could read them on the Google Glass monitor.
But it seems Memorial Day wasn’t important enough to Google.

I currently am an active member of the LDS church. About six months ago I discovered the ugly past of the church.
Here is a list of the many problems I have found.

Four Versions of the 1st vision
Joseph Smith practiced polyandry
Joseph Smith married two 14 year old girls
Joseph Smith used a rock in a hat to “translate” the BOM.(He didn’t open the plates that were covered on the table in front of him.)
No one in the church had heard of the priesthood until 1835 or 1836.
The 3 and 8 witnesses saw the plates with their “spiritual eyes” not physical eyes.
Book of Abraham is not a real translation
Joseph Smith said the Kinderhook plates were ancient records.
Look up the books “The Late War” and “The First Book of Napoleon” they are remarkably similar to the BOM. Both books were available and used in New York during the early 1800′s.
Why did the original BOM contain the same translation errors as the 1769 version of the King James Bible?

This information blew my mind. I was born in the church. I served a mission and have been active my whole life. I have been a full tithe payer. The only reason I am still going to church is because I don’t want to lose my family. My family is more important than an organization.
Many people in this thread have counseled others to pray and find the truth. Why as members do we forget that God also gave us a brain? The brain is just as vital to discerning truth as your feelings. You don’t have to believe me. Do your own research. Start with the church essays on LDS.org they are in an obscure location but you can find them using Google. Read Rough Stone Rolling written by Bushman. He is a church historian. I am tired of members of the church not knowing the truth. Get all the facts and then make your decision.

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