Girion47:I actually really like wearing ties, I feel they can lend a nice touch to a suit if you get your color contrasts set up correctly. The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.

Now, these below are really cool knots, I haven't tried them out yet, but I will wear them in the future.

DownDaRiver:Girion47: I actually really like wearing ties, I feel they can lend a nice touch to a suit if you get your color contrasts set up correctly. The knot you tie also shows how serious you are, single windsors tell me that you don't really know how to tie a tie and you're wearing it out of obligation. You should at least wear a double windsor.

Now, these below are really cool knots, I haven't tried them out yet, but I will wear them in the future.

You know how I can tell that Subby is not a British Public School Old Boy? Because he apparent thinks that putting a boy in protective custody for wearing a real choker instead of a pull-off fake is silly Nanny-Statism rather than a prudent measure meant to save his life when the other boys find out he's wearing a noose.

School is where Alpha British sado-masochists turn wimpy boys and girls into Beta British sado-masochists. Most English people do not have fond memories of school, and they loathe the name of Charles Darwin for that reason.

In psychiatric circles they have a word for "fond memories of school". They are called "cover memories".

At least that is what I gather from reading dozens, hundreds of books on the British class system.

School boys and girls who don't hang together, hang separately.

I hate clip-on ties but I never tie my scarf in a knot because I remember what happened to Isadora Duncan.

Better rope-burn on the neck, than a fashionable death by garroting. IIRC, that's a family motto. Whose family, I'm not sure.

Snarfangel:How about no tie at all? And while you are at it, remove the useless buttons on the sleeves of jackets.

On good jackets there will be two button options, so you can adjust the fit. It also lets you unbutton them to roll your sleeves up. (It's also really useful if your hand is ever in a cast).

Ties though, they are just a fashion thing. You either like them or you don't. I've got a nice gray one with Snoopy on it and a black one for formal. I where them maybe once a year. I'm not a tie fan, but to each their own. I'd be very frustrated at a job where I was required to wear one.

LOGINGOESHERE:Tip should be just at the buckle, or where it would be...

Do you not buy extra long ties?

My length woes (that what she said) are dependent on the knot. With a windsor knot (my preferred knot) the narrow end will always be on the short side. I don't have the same issue with a half windsor or four-in-hand, but four-in-hand seems lazy and lacks symmetry, and half windsor just seems awkward to me. The problem with extra long ties is that the selection is often quite limited. 2 massive tables of normal length ties in every color imaginable, 1 small rack of extra long ties.

It's all how you were brought up.American, private boarding school, jacket-and-tie uniform.Breakfast at 8:00. Demerits for being late. Wake up at 7:52, throw clothes on, fly down flights of stairs while tying tie.7:59:55 in the dining hall. SAVED!That's how you learn to tie a tie and you never forget it. Muscle memory.Father called what I assume you mean by "half Windsor" or "single Windsor", a "Four-in-hand" knot. He was young in the horse and buggy age, but I don't know what driving a four horse carriage has to do with a necktie.There are just some terms you don't question when you're young.I graduated from the fast four-in-hand ass-saver, to the symmetrical Windsor. It requires the next level of manual dexterity.I have never worked at a job that requires a tie,(so much for private education) but I still like to wear one when the occasion calls for it. If I wear a jacket, I wear a tie, but I admit my sartorial imagination is limited.I understand why many men who haven't worn them seem to resent them. But we learn to do a lot of things growing up that we don't necessarily like. Clip-ons should be packed away with your elementary school report cards.No tie at all is better than wearing a clip-on, as long as the rest of the outfit fits the statement. Consult your nearest well-dressed Italian.The wide part of the tie should reach the vicinity of the belt buckle, unless you want to look like Oliver Hardy. Reverse snobbishness about not wearing a tie only subtracts from ones character.If reaching over the buffet table or any moving machinery, tuck the tie in between the buttons of your shirt.Finally, why am I tying a tie? Shouldn't the letters be the the other way round?

HoratioGates:Snarfangel: How about no tie at all? And while you are at it, remove the useless buttons on the sleeves of jackets.

On good jackets there will be two button options, so you can adjust the fit. It also lets you unbutton them to roll your sleeves up. (It's also really useful if your hand is ever in a cast).

Ties though, they are just a fashion thing. You either like them or you don't. I've got a nice gray one with Snoopy on it and a black one for formal. I where them maybe once a year. I'm not a tie fan, but to each their own. I'd be very frustrated at a job where I was required to wear one.

penthesilea:Girion47: I was always bothered that my boss made me wear a tie when inspecting places that had machinery that would be horrible if it ever caught the tie...like a conveyor belt, they have exposed gears on the ends, that will just eat your face.

Turn your ties into velcro ties that won't strangle you in an emergency.If you alter regular store bought ties, no one should be able to tell the difference.

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Wow, I'd never heard of that before. And if you don't want to ruin a nice tie, you can apparently Google "velcro tie" and buy one online. I'm just wondering why they haven't surpassed the popularity of clip-on ties. Some of them don't look half bad.

The Envoy:The WindowLicker: I have a few modified like that for work specifically to prevent another individual from choking me with my own tie.

Wow, your co-workers REALLY don't like you do they?!

I'm baffled that the menfolk at my place of work wear real ties. Whilst we work in an office, it's the kind of office where the clientèle may try and harm you. Wearing a handy noose seems like a really bad idea.

Women are told to wear flats and remove scarves to meet clients, so why on earth aren't the men told to either remove their tie altogether, or change it to a clip-on? They don't have any more chance against the massive murderous gang member than the ladies.