(NaturalNews) Japan's nuclear watchdog has now declared the leak of radioactive water from ***ushima a "state of emergency." Each day, 300 tons of radioactive water seeps into the ocean, and it's now clear that TEPCO has engage in a two-and-a-half-year cover-up of immense magnitude.

"I believe it's been leaking into the ocean from the start of the crisis two-and-a-half years ago," disclosed a 12-year TEPCO veteran named Suzuki-san (SOURCE)

"There are still reactor buildings we haven't gotten into yet," said another worker named Fujimoto-san. "So there's always the possibility of another explosion..."

TEPCO workers sprayed with wildly radioactive water while waiting for a bus

Just how out of control is the situation at ***ushima? It's so out of control that TEPCO recently had to admit 10 of its workers were somehow -- yeah, see if you can figure this out -- sprayed with highly radioactive water while waiting for a bus.

"The workers' exposure above the neck was found to be as much as 10 becquerels per square centimeter," reports Bloomberg.com

How exactly did highly radioactive water manage to find its way to a bus stop in the first place? TEPCO isn't sure. It's confusing with all those radiation alarms going off all the time. In order to concentrate, the company has found it's easier to just disable all the alarms and pretend nothing's wrong.

The TEPCO cover-up

To fully grasp the extent of the TEPCO denial, realize that only recently did the company finally admit that radioactive groundwater has been leaking into the ocean. This follows years of stark denials from the company, whose executes have exhibited a remarkable ability to deny reality even when their own workers are dying in droves from cancer.

It's no exaggeration to say that TEPCO's downplaying of the full extent of the ***ushima disaster has put tens of millions of lives at risk -- people who should have been warned about radiation but were denied that information due to the TEPCO cover-up.

"At this current time in July of 2013, ***ushima is 80 to 100x more expansive and more intense -- letting out about 100x more of the radiation of Chernobyl," reports Dr. Simon Atkins Phoenix Rising Radio on a BlogTalkRadio interview.

"The problem with ***ushima is that it's not only continuing for 865 days... I mean, let's wrap our minds around that for a second -- it has been leaking out radiation in increasing volumes for 865 days."

Japan is a society that shuns whistleblowers

Why has TEPCO been able to cover up the truth about ***ushima for so long? Because Japan is a society of mass conformity. The idea of keeping your head down and not "rocking the boat" is deeply embedded in Japanese culture.

Japan is not a nation of "rugged individualism" but of conformist acquiescence.

As a result, whistleblowers are shunned, and there is immense peer pressure to defend the status quo... even when it's a terrible lie. This culture of conformity at all costs is precisely what allows companies like TEPCO to continue operating extremely dangerous nuclear power plants with virtually no accountability.

While Japan has entire museums dedicated to the horrifying history of two Japanese cities being bombed by the United States at the end of World War II, when Japan's own power company is involved in a radiological disaster of similar magnitude, the entire incident gets swept under the rug. Radiation? What radiation? If the government says there's no radiation, then there's no radiation! After all, it's invisible!

Why the U.S. government plays along with the cover-up

The U.S. government, of course, plays along with the charade because its own top weapons manufacturer -- General Electric -- designed and built the ***ushima Daiichi power plant in the first place. And the design decisions made by GE, such as storing spent fuel rods in large pools high above the ground, now look not just incompetent but downright idiotic. It turns out there was never any long-term plan to dispose of the spent fuel rods. The idea was to just let them build up over time until someone else inherited the problem.

So while Japan and the USA play this game of "let's all pretend nothing happened," citizens of both countries continue to be exposed to a relentless wave of deadly radiation that now dwarfs the total radiation release of Chernobyl (which the U.S. media played up in a huge way because the disaster made the Russians look incompetent).

The only reason TEPCO is finally getting around to admitting the truth in all this is because you can't rig all the Geiger counters forever. Radiation follows the laws of physics and atomic decay, not the whims of lying politicians and bureaucrats. As a result, the real story eventually comes out as we're starting to see right now.

The ***ushima disaster is likely to get far worse, if you can believe that

The upshot is that the ***ushima disaster is not only far worse than you've been told; it's very likely going to be worse than you could ever imagine. The radiation leak isn't plugged, in other words, and another explosion -- which many experts believe might be imminent -- would release thousands of times more nuclear material into the open environment.

Ultimately, the entire Northern hemisphere has been placed at risk by a bunch of corporate bureaucrats who thought building a nuclear facility in the path of a sure-to-happen tidal wave was a fantastic idea. Instead of acknowledging the problem and working to fix it like a responsible person would, our world's top politicians and ass-coverers have decided it is in their best short-term interests to play along with the TEPCO fairy tale which ridiculously pretends that radioactive leaks can be controlled by wishful thinking.

Please folks, listen to this interview. It contains very important information about what is really happening in the US and elsewhere as a result of radiation leaking into the ocean and the air from ***ushima, Japan. The US government is DELIBERATELY LYING to the American people and has raised the radiation limits in food more than 400%. Fish coming from the west coast and Hawaii should be avoided. An 800% increase in stillbirths along the British Columbia coastline in Canada has also been recorded.

Here are a few critical excerpts from this very important interview with Dr. Simon Atkins. Please do listen. It could save your life.
“…[[A]t this current time in July of 2013, ***ushima is 80 to 100x more expansive and more intense – letting out about 100x more of the radiation of Chernobyl. The problem with ***ushima is that it’s not only continuing for 865 days… I mean, let’s wrap our minds around that for a second – it has been leaking out radiation in increasing volumes for 865 days. That’s two years, four months, 12 days to be precise – since 3/11/11. And it’s coming in the air. It’s all over the Pacific. And what we have to do is –we’ve been charting the progress of this – how it’s been affecting stillbirths – and the Canadian government let out some studies saying that it found stillbirths along the British Columbia coastline that are 800% -- year over year – increased since 2011…

Hawaii is one of the states that is receiving most of the ***ushima radiation in the U.S. The other areas are the west coast of Canada… Alaska is third because the jet stream obviously functions right up into the north during the summer months -- and then obviously in succession Oregon, Washington, California and then so forth further eastward, obviously. So, if the ***ushima radiation continues – God forbid – for the next five years – but that scenario is increasingly likely – the cumulative radiation in New York City will be the same in five years as it is today in Crescent City, California…

And the Obama administration, going back to ***ushima, ordered – they ordered the shutdown through the EPA -- the Environmental Protection Agency -- which is one of the most corrupt organizations in the US and world – because they shut down all of the west coast sensor towers for the radiation starting on April 2011. And they have not been functioning since, except for a few periods of time, and all of that information has not been shared through the free information act – which I find is just outrageous , especially when I seem to remember very clearly words from the current administration that they would be “more transparent” -- which has been nothing more than a lie…

Do not – and I repeat with quite urgency – do not eat anything out of the Pacific Ocean at this time. If you are buying fish from the Seattle fish market; if you are buying tuna from a fish store in San Diego; refuse to buy it."

baja

08-19-2013, 08:02 AM

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***ushima apocalypse: Years of ‘duct tape fixes’ could result in ‘millions of deaths’
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Even the tiniest mistake during an operation to extract over 1,300 fuel rods at the crippled ***ushima nuclear power plant in Japan could lead to a series of cascading failures with an apocalyptic outcome, fallout researcher Christina Consolo told RT.

***ushima operator TEPCO wants to extract 400 tons worth of spent fuel rods stored in a pool at the plant’s damaged Reactor No. 4. The removal would have to be done manually from the top store of the damaged building in the radiation-contaminated environment.

In the worst-case scenario, a mishandled rod may go critical, resulting in an above-ground meltdown releasing radioactive fallout with no way to stop it, said Consolo, who is the founder and host of Nuked Radio. But leaving the things as they are is not an option, because statistical risk of a similarly bad outcome increases every day, she said.

RT: How serious is the fuel rod situation compared to the danger of contaminated water build-up which we already know about?

Christina Consolo: Although fuel rod removal happens on a daily basis at the 430+ nuclear sites around the world, it is a very delicate procedure even under the best of circumstances. What makes fuel removal at ***ushima so dangerous and complex is that it will be attempted on a fuel pool whose integrity has been severely compromised. However, it must be attempted as Reactor 4 has the most significant problems structurally, and this pool is on the top floor of the building.

There are numerous other reasons that this will be a dangerous undertaking.

- The racks inside the pool that contain this fuel were damaged by the explosion in the early days of the accident.

- Zirconium cladding which encased the rods burned when water levels dropped, but to what extent the rods have been damaged is not known, and probably won't be until removal is attempted.

- Saltwater cooling has caused corrosion of the pool walls, and probably the fuel rods and racks.

- The building is sinking.

- The cranes that normally lift the fuel were destroyed.

- Computer-guided removal will not be possible; everything will have to be done manually.

- TEPCO cannot attempt this process without humans, which will manage this enormous task while being bombarded with radiation during the extraction and casking.

- The process of removing each rod will have to be repeated over 1,300 times without incident.

- Moving damaged nuclear fuel under such complex conditions could result in a criticality if the rods come into close proximity to one another, which would then set off a chain reaction that cannot be stopped.

What could potentially happen is the contents of the pool could burn and/or explode, and the entire structure sustain further damage or collapse. This chain reaction process could be self-sustaining and go on for a long time. This is the apocalyptic scenario in a nutshell.

The water build-up is an extraordinarily difficult problem in and of itself, and as anyone with a leaky basement knows, water always 'finds a way.’

'Trivial in light of other problems at ***ushima, water situation could culminate in the chain reaction scenario'
At ***ushima, they are dealing with massive amounts of groundwater that flow through the property, and the endless pouring that must be kept up 24/7/365 to keep things from getting worse. Recently there appears to be subsidence issues and liquefaction under the plant.

TEPCO has decided to pump the water out of these buildings. However, pumping water out of the buildings is only going to increase the flow rate and create more of these ground issues around the reactors. An enormous undertaking - but one that needs to be considered for long-term preservation of the integrity of the site - is channelling the water away, like a drain tile installed around the perimeter of a house with a leaky basement, but on an epic scale.

Without this effort, the soils will further deteriorate, structural shift will occur, and subsequently the contents of the pools will shift too.

What I find difficult to comprehend is two guys that are fearful of climate warming yet when presented with evidence that we are on the verge of a global radiation disaster like the world has never seen they make jokes.

Did you read the part where they have turned off the radiation detectors on the West coast?

mhgaffney

08-19-2013, 11:20 AM

Baja,

The first and third links do not work.

Rohirrim

08-19-2013, 11:22 AM

What I find difficult to comprehend is two guys that are fearful of climate warming yet when presented with evidence that we are on the verge of a global radiation disaster like the world has never seen they make jokes.

Did you read the part where they have turned off the radiation detectors on the West coast?

Well, I called the Spitsbergen seed bank to ask them if they would allow me to move my family into their vault and hide out for a few decades with the seeds, but they said no. I guess I could make a lead suit, but it's pretty damn hot.

W*GS

08-19-2013, 11:42 AM

What I find difficult to comprehend is two guys that are fearful of climate warming yet when presented with evidence that we are on the verge of a global radiation disaster like the world has never seen they make jokes.

Your sources are too hysterical to take seriously.

Like all your sources.

baja

08-19-2013, 11:51 AM

Your sources are too hysterical to take seriously.

Like all your sources.

My hope is someday you will figure out that main stream media is controlled by a select group of people that prohibit the real news from seeing the light of day. Thus the endless Kardashian "news"

Kim Kardashian, Kanye West Take Baby North on First Trip to Funeral in Oklahoma

MAIN STREAM NEWS OUTLETS ARE HIDING THE TRUTH FROM YOU BY NOT REPORTING IT

Rohirrim

08-19-2013, 12:20 PM

My hope is someday you will figure out that main stream media is controlled by a select group of people that prohibit the real news from seeing the light of day. Thus the endless Kardashian "news"

Kim Kardashian, Kanye West Take Baby North on First Trip to Funeral in Oklahoma

MAIN STREAM NEWS OUTLETS ARE HIDING THE TRUTH FROM YOU BY NOT REPORTING IT

People are risking their lives and doing everything they can to get control of this thing. What do you suggest we do?

And take one claim in the above source. They claim that stillbirths in BC have gone up 800%. False. They've gone up 133% and that's due to abortions increasing. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/disquieting-increase-in-stillbirths-in-b.c.-due-to-increase-in-late-term-ab/

How much credence should I give the rest of their claims?

baja

08-19-2013, 12:26 PM

People are risking their lives and doing everything they can to get control of this thing. What do you suggest we do?

And take one claim in the above source. They claim that stillbirths in BC have gone up 800%. False. They've gone up 133% and that's due to abortions increasing. http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/disquieting-increase-in-stillbirths-in-b.c.-due-to-increase-in-late-term-ab/

How much credence should I give the rest of their claims?

This should be a global effort not just the responsibility company that has already made many bad discussions both in the construction and maintenance of the facility.

The initial gigantic deluge of contaminated water dispersed through the immediate ***ushima coastal area very quickly, according to a 2012 report by the American Nuclear Society. But it takes years for the contamination to spread over a wider area. A mathematical model developed by Changsheng Chen of the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth and Robert Beardsley of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute found that radioactive particles disperse through the ocean differently at different depths. The scientists estimated that in some cases, contaminated seawater could reach the western coast of the United States in as little as five years. Buesseler thinks the process occurs a bit more rapidly, and estimates it might take three years for contamination to reach the U.S. coastline.

Q: What are the potential risks to humans, and who might be affected by the contamination?

This is a murky question, because it’s not that easy to determine whether health problems that may not show up for decades are caused by exposure to radioactive contamination. A report released in February by the World Health Organization, which was based upon estimates of radiation exposure in the immediate wake of the accident, concluded that it probably would cause "somewhat elevated" lifetime cancer rates among the local population. But figuring out the effect of years of exposure to lower levels of radioactive contamination leaking into the ocean is an even more complicated matter.

Minoru Takata, director of the Radiation Biology Center at Kyoto University, told the Wall Street Journal that the radioactive water doesn’t pose an immediate health threat unless a person goes near the damaged reactors. But over the longer term, he’s concerned that the leakage could cause higher rates of cancer in Japan.

Marine scientist Buesseler believes that the leaks pose little threat to Americans, however. Radioactive contamination, he says, quickly is reduced "by many orders of magnitude" after it moves just a few miles from the original source, so that by the time it would reach the U.S. coast, the levels would be extremely low. (See related, “Rare Video: Japan Tsunami.”)

Q: Will seafood be contaminated by the leaks?

As Buesseler’s research has shown, tests of local fish in the ***ushima area still show high enough levels of radiation that the Japanese government won’t allow them to be caught and sold for human consumption—a restriction that is costing Japanese fishermen billions of dollars a year in lost income. (But while flounder, sea bass, and other fish remained banned for radiation risk, in 2012 the Japanese government did begin allowing sales of octopus and whelk, a type of marine snail, after tests showed no detectable amount of cesium contamination.)

Buesseler thinks the risk is mostly confined to local fish that dwell mostly at the sea bottom, where radioactive material settles. He says bigger fish that range over long distances in the ocean quickly lose whatever cesium contamination they’ve picked up. However, the higher concentration of strontium-90 that is now in the outflow poses a trickier problem, because it is a bone-seeking isotope. "Cesium is like salt—it goes in and out of your body quickly," he explains. "Strontium gets into your bones." While he’s still not too concerned that fish caught off the U.S. coast will be affected, "strontium changes the equation for Japanese fisheries, as to when their fish will be safe to eat." (See related blog, “Safety Question on ***ushima Anniversary: Should Plants of the Same Design Have Filtered Vents?”)

This story is part of a special series that explores energy issues. For more, visit The Great Energy Challenge.

Lots more fluff. How many bequerels of radioactivity/volume? Which radioisotopes/decay products/radiation type? The answers to those questions (and other basic details) are what determine the actual severity of this issue.

Saying it's contaminated water with those details tells us exactly bupkis.

alkemical

08-20-2013, 12:52 PM

Lots more fluff. How many bequerels of radioactivity/volume? Which radioisotopes/decay products/radiation type? The answers to those questions (and other basic details) are what determine the actual severity of this issue.

Saying it's contaminated water with those details tells us exactly bupkis.

On the source link, it does give some of that information.

Fedaykin

08-20-2013, 01:26 PM

On the source link, it does give some of that information.

Ahh yep. No real significant change overall. Not even remotely enough radiation leakage to cause problems unless you are near the plant.

The oceans are a massive sinc for dilution of the leak. Sure sucks for areas near the plant, but not a worldwide catastro**** like Baja hopes it will be.

Anf of course, had we replaced this gen 1 plants decades ago as originally planned and/or actually did fuel reprocessing, this would not have been an issue at all. Instead we are driving model-t's decades past their expected lifetime and then blaming the engineers. Oh, and instead of burning all the gas, we just keep adding more gas tanks once we burn a couple cups from the last 20 gallon tank.

baja

08-20-2013, 01:35 PM

Ahh yep. No real significant change overall. Not even remotely enough radiation leakage to cause problems unless you are near the plant.

The oceans are a massive sinc for dilution of the leak. Sure sucks for areas near the plant, but not a worldwide catastro**** like Baja hopes it will be.

Anf of course, had we replaced this gen 1 plants decades ago as originally planned and/or actually did fuel reprocessing, this would not have been an issue at all. Instead we are driving model-t's decades past their expected lifetime and then blaming the engineers. Oh, and instead of burning all the gas, we just keep adding more gas tanks once we burn a couple cups from the last 20 gallon tank.

Why would you say such a thing? Are you another paid government disinformation minister?

Fedaykin

08-20-2013, 01:44 PM

Why would you say such a thing? Are you another paid government disinformation minister?

Says the moron who doesn't even attempt to understand the basic math and science behind the idiotic math and science based claims that he makes.

That's just rich!

Bacchus

08-21-2013, 04:46 PM

(NaturalNews) Japan's nuclear watchdog has now declared the leak of radioactive water from ***ushima a "state of emergency." Each day, 300 tons of radioactive water seeps into the ocean, and it's now clear that TEPCO has engage in a two-and-a-half-year cover-up of immense magnitude.

"I believe it's been leaking into the ocean from the start of the crisis two-and-a-half years ago," disclosed a 12-year TEPCO veteran named Suzuki-san (SOURCE)

"There are still reactor buildings we haven't gotten into yet," said another worker named Fujimoto-san. "So there's always the possibility of another explosion..."

TEPCO workers sprayed with wildly radioactive water while waiting for a bus

Just how out of control is the situation at ***ushima? It's so out of control that TEPCO recently had to admit 10 of its workers were somehow -- yeah, see if you can figure this out -- sprayed with highly radioactive water while waiting for a bus.

"The workers' exposure above the neck was found to be as much as 10 becquerels per square centimeter," reports Bloomberg.com

How exactly did highly radioactive water manage to find its way to a bus stop in the first place? TEPCO isn't sure. It's confusing with all those radiation alarms going off all the time. In order to concentrate, the company has found it's easier to just disable all the alarms and pretend nothing's wrong.

The TEPCO cover-up

To fully grasp the extent of the TEPCO denial, realize that only recently did the company finally admit that radioactive groundwater has been leaking into the ocean. This follows years of stark denials from the company, whose executes have exhibited a remarkable ability to deny reality even when their own workers are dying in droves from cancer.

It's no exaggeration to say that TEPCO's downplaying of the full extent of the ***ushima disaster has put tens of millions of lives at risk -- people who should have been warned about radiation but were denied that information due to the TEPCO cover-up.

"At this current time in July of 2013, ***ushima is 80 to 100x more expansive and more intense -- letting out about 100x more of the radiation of Chernobyl," reports Dr. Simon Atkins Phoenix Rising Radio on a BlogTalkRadio interview.

"The problem with ***ushima is that it's not only continuing for 865 days... I mean, let's wrap our minds around that for a second -- it has been leaking out radiation in increasing volumes for 865 days."

Japan is a society that shuns whistleblowers

Why has TEPCO been able to cover up the truth about ***ushima for so long? Because Japan is a society of mass conformity. The idea of keeping your head down and not "rocking the boat" is deeply embedded in Japanese culture.

Japan is not a nation of "rugged individualism" but of conformist acquiescence.

As a result, whistleblowers are shunned, and there is immense peer pressure to defend the status quo... even when it's a terrible lie. This culture of conformity at all costs is precisely what allows companies like TEPCO to continue operating extremely dangerous nuclear power plants with virtually no accountability.

While Japan has entire museums dedicated to the horrifying history of two Japanese cities being bombed by the United States at the end of World War II, when Japan's own power company is involved in a radiological disaster of similar magnitude, the entire incident gets swept under the rug. Radiation? What radiation? If the government says there's no radiation, then there's no radiation! After all, it's invisible!

Why the U.S. government plays along with the cover-up

The U.S. government, of course, plays along with the charade because its own top weapons manufacturer -- General Electric -- designed and built the ***ushima Daiichi power plant in the first place. And the design decisions made by GE, such as storing spent fuel rods in large pools high above the ground, now look not just incompetent but downright idiotic. It turns out there was never any long-term plan to dispose of the spent fuel rods. The idea was to just let them build up over time until someone else inherited the problem.

So while Japan and the USA play this game of "let's all pretend nothing happened," citizens of both countries continue to be exposed to a relentless wave of deadly radiation that now dwarfs the total radiation release of Chernobyl (which the U.S. media played up in a huge way because the disaster made the Russians look incompetent).

The only reason TEPCO is finally getting around to admitting the truth in all this is because you can't rig all the Geiger counters forever. Radiation follows the laws of physics and atomic decay, not the whims of lying politicians and bureaucrats. As a result, the real story eventually comes out as we're starting to see right now.

The ***ushima disaster is likely to get far worse, if you can believe that

The upshot is that the ***ushima disaster is not only far worse than you've been told; it's very likely going to be worse than you could ever imagine. The radiation leak isn't plugged, in other words, and another explosion -- which many experts believe might be imminent -- would release thousands of times more nuclear material into the open environment.

Ultimately, the entire Northern hemisphere has been placed at risk by a bunch of corporate bureaucrats who thought building a nuclear facility in the path of a sure-to-happen tidal wave was a fantastic idea. Instead of acknowledging the problem and working to fix it like a responsible person would, our world's top politicians and ass-coverers have decided it is in their best short-term interests to play along with the TEPCO fairy tale which ridiculously pretends that radioactive leaks can be controlled by wishful thinking.

You know, the other ~7.1 billion humans on the planet, whom you view as filth deserving only of death.

baja

08-23-2013, 01:50 PM

Everyone else besides you.

You know, the other ~7.1 billion humans on the planet, whom you view as filth deserving only of death.

If I really thought that i would not bother to warn you what's happening.

baja

08-23-2013, 01:51 PM

Even you Wags do not deserve what is coming down the road.

W*GS

08-23-2013, 02:27 PM

Even you Wags do not deserve what is coming down the road.

More paranoid passivist fatalism from you.

Why do you even bother living, since the **** is gonna hit so big and so bad? Do you really believe you'll sail right through?

The fact that you're still around tells me that your whole "coming down the road" schtick is just that. You're primarily here to try to scare the bejeebus out of some folks, then you can helpfully offer them advice at only $29.95 a pop (to start).

Rather I sail right through or not is not the issue nor my concern. I take some sensible precautions and if they get me through a rough time with a modicum of comfort fine but I am not such the fool to think I can determine when I die.

W*GS

08-23-2013, 02:33 PM

One more time it not THE END

It is a time of chaos and misery for the unprepared and the deniers.

And you can become prepared and knowledgable by buying these books/magazines/newsletters/products/services...

Buzz off, ya con artist.

baja

08-23-2013, 02:35 PM

And you can become prepared and knowledgable by buying these books/magazines/newsletters/products/services...

Buzz off, ya con artist.

LOL buy my book

I'm not the shill working to convince by fear people to support the biggest tax swindle in the history of the world.

Why are you not as concerned with the real measurable radiation leaking into the ocean in Fuchashima ? Is it because your handlers have not figured out a way to tax it.

W*GS

08-23-2013, 02:44 PM

I'm not the shill working to convince by fear people to support the biggest tax swindle in the history of the world.

Yeah, whatever.

Obviously you don't know **** about the science.

baja

08-23-2013, 02:54 PM

Yeah, whatever.

Obviously you don't know **** about the science.

Why are you not worried about ***ushima?

mhgaffney

08-23-2013, 02:58 PM

It's part of the born-again-atheist thing.

When you are a cult of ego -- nothing matters -- not bombing innocents, not gross violations of the US Constitution, and certainly not radiation.

He is big on climate change because it's going to be a BIG money maker -- i.e., the carbon tax.

Eat, drink and be merry - for tomorrow we die.
MHG

baja

08-23-2013, 03:06 PM

THE LATEST NEWS FROM NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC - good enough source for ya Wags

Patrick J. Kiger
For National Geographic
Published August 21, 2013

In the latest crisis to strike the ***ushima-Daiichi nuclear power plant in Japan, operator Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO) has discovered that 300 tons (nearly 72,000 gallons) of highly radioactive water has leaked from a holding tank into the ground over the past month.

The development comes on top of TEPCO's admission last month that an estimated 300 tons of radioactive groundwater, which picks up small amounts of contamination when it flows through the damaged reactor buildings, has been leaking into the Pacific Ocean every day. (See related story: "***ushima's Radioactive Water Leak: What You Should Know.")

The new storage tank leak presents a different and potentially more serious problem than the ongoing groundwater flow leaks. The water from the leaking tank is so heavily contaminated with strontium-90, cesium-137, and other radioactive substances that a person standing less than two feet away would receive, in an hour's time, a radiation dose equivalent to five times the acceptable exposure for nuclear workers, Reuters reported. Within ten hours, the exposed person would develop radiation sickness, with symptoms such as nausea and a drop in white blood cells.

A More Hazardous Leak

The latest leak comes from one of the massive array of 1,000 above-ground storage tanks built inside the plant by TEPCO, which store water that deliberately has been pumped into the damaged reactors in an effort to cool the nuclear fuel inside and prevent a meltdown. Such water is heavily contaminated and dangerous compared with the larger radioactive groundwater flow problem, which scientists say does not pose an immediate health hazard to humans (though it has made some types of fish from the area unsafe for consumption).

The Japanese government's Nuclear Regulation Authority is calling the leak a "serious accident" and wants to raise the official threat level from 1 to 3 on the International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale—the highest level since the level 7 rating given when the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami severely damaged the facility. (See related "Pictures: The Nuclear Cleanup Struggle at ***ushima.")

While about two-thirds of ***ushima's storage tanks are welded steel vessels, the leaking tank is one of about 350 improvised temporary tanks that TEPCO has employed to augment its capacity. The temporary tanks are made of steel plates bolted together with plastic packing materials to seal the seams, and apparently are more vulnerable to leaks. A TEPCO official told The Japan Times, an English-language daily, that there have been four previous leaks in the temporary tanks. Unlike the previous ones, this leak somehow went undetected by plant workers for as long as a month. During that time, it leaked an estimated ten tons (about 2,400 gallons) of highly radioactive water per day. (See related photos: "A Rare Look Inside ***ushima Daiichi.")

TEPCO hasn't yet found the precise leakage spot or spots on the faulty tank, which according to Reuters is located just 550 yards from the ocean. But the company said that workers have pumped all of the water from inside a small concrete containment area where the leaking tank is located. In the event of rain, they plan to continue running the pump, which they say is powerful enough to keep rainwater from flowing out of the containment.

TEPCO said on Wednesday that tests of seawater from a ditch near the leaking tank didn't show any significant increase in the amount of cesium-137 and other radioactive materials, suggesting that the highly radioactive water isn't directly reaching the ocean. However, the possibility remains that the contaminated water might be mixing into groundwater that flows through the plant site into the ocean. In mid-July, levels of radioactive cesium-137 and cesium-134 from monitoring wells inside the plant unexpectedly surged nearly 15-fold, a phenomenon that scientists have been unable to explain. (See related story: "One Year After ***ushima, Japan Faces Shortages of Energy, Trust.")

Ken Buesseler, a senior scientist as the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts who has studied radiation leakage from the ***ushima plant, said he is concerned about the lack of data on levels of strontium-90 in the waters off ***ushima. He said that the groundwater now leaking into the Pacific—including, possibly, some contamination from leaking tanks—might now have much higher levels of that particular substance. Strontium-90 has potentially greater health risks than cesium isotopes because it becomes concentrated in the bones of fish and humans, he said.

'No Time to Waste'

The new problem further escalates the dilemma faced by TEPCO, which already has been struggling to find a way to deal with massive amounts of water contaminated with various radioactive substances at the site. When the company belatedly revealed last month the daily leakage of radioactive groundwater into the Pacific Ocean, a problem that outside scientists have long suspected, public confidence in TEPCO's ability to manage the cleanup threatened to erode further.

The development prompted Japanese government officials to step in and take a more direct role: The government announced last week that it is considering spending 50 billion yen ($410 million) to finance construction of a frozen soil barrier—also known as an ice wall—in an effort to block the groundwater from the plant from reaching the ocean. (See related story: "Can an Ice Wall Stop Radioactive Water Leaks From ***ushima?") That technology has long been used in the mining and construction fields, and reportedly performed well in containing radioactive water in a U.S. government test project in the early 1990s, but has never been used on a large scale at a nuclear power plant.

"This leak is very serious," said Dr. Janette Sherman, an Alexandria, Virginia-based physician who specializes in radioactive and toxic exposure. Dr. Sherman, who edited an in-depth study of health effects on cleanup workers in the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster in the former Soviet Union, said she is concerned that the cleanup crew at ***ushima Daiichi may face long-term health risks. She also raised the prospect of the radiation's as-yet unknown effects on fish and other marine life in the Pacific.

Buesseler said he was concerned that the high level of radiation from the leaking tank might just be a harbinger of what is to come if more of the other temporary tanks begin to fail. But he's even more worried by revelations of leaks and other problems at the plant, which lately have been coming with dismaying frequency. "There is still a lot of contamination at ***ushima—in the land, in the buildings, and now from these tanks," Buesseler said. "Every bit of news that we've been getting is that the [radioactivity] numbers are going up."

"I'm becoming less confident that [TEPCO] can contain the problem," he said.

Japan's Nuclear Regulation Authority shares Buesseler's concern, warning that the latest leakage problem might be beyond TEPCO's ability to cope. "We should assume that what has happened once could happen again, and prepare for more," watchdog chairman Shunichi Tanaka told a news conference, BBC News reported. "We are in a situation where there is no time to waste."

baja

08-23-2013, 03:09 PM

Oh I get it Wags thanks "But that is way over there, doesn't affect me. " Right Wags?

What could be riskier than the likely destruction of the gene pool of the human race?

That's what is at risk -- because of F-u-k-u shima.

But there's no way to cash in on this -- so W*gs focuses on Climate Change -- a la Al Gore. BIG money to be made, there.

MHG

What about Chernobyl?

Requiem

08-24-2013, 01:59 PM

It will be generations down the road to analyze the side effects of this in an honest matter. Kind of like the incidents at OK Tedi due to mining.

nyuk nyuk

08-24-2013, 02:12 PM

It will be generations down the road to analyze the side effects of this in an honest matter. Kind of like the incidents at OK Tedi due to mining.

True but thus far I've not heard of the kind of fallout levels remotely seen form Chernobyl. These reactors are still inside containment facilities, even if cracked and leaking. Chernobyl was blown totally open and the building above destroyed. The reactor shot straight out into the sky, so high people fishing nearby saw a huge blue flame coming out.

I'm old enough to remember it. We had fallout raining down on us in Denver that was measurable at higher levels than what we've gotten from F-uk-ushima. My older sister complained of her eyes burning.

baja

08-24-2013, 03:07 PM

I'm not the one writing books about 9/11 for my personal profit.

The truth will come out about the events of 9/11 some day question is when.

Steel structure buildings do not fall down on their footprint (#7) because some debris fell and a small fire.

If anyone accepts the official story 100% than they are either stupid or in complete denial. If one part of the story is fabricated the entire story needs to be looked at. Look whose interests have been benefited from the 9/11 attack.Look how the country has been changed.

What is amazing is more questions are not being asked.

What else is amazing is the moronic ridicule heaped on those who are asking reasonable questions about the official story.

mhgaffney

08-24-2013, 03:26 PM

True but thus far I've not heard of the kind of fallout levels remotely seen form Chernobyl. These reactors are still inside containment facilities, even if cracked and leaking. Chernobyl was blown totally open and the building above destroyed. The reactor shot straight out into the sky, so high people fishing nearby saw a huge blue flame coming out.

I'm old enough to remember it. We had fallout raining down on us in Denver that was measurable at higher levels than what we've gotten from F-uk-ushima. My older sister complained of her eyes burning.

Chernobyl was never in containment. The reactor building was open.

***ushima is worse for many reasons -- the first is because at Chernobyl only one reactor melted down -- whereas four melted down at ***ushima.

The potential release at ***ushima is at least 100 X Chernobyl -- when the stored spent fuel rods are included.

Each reactor at ***ushima also presents a different set of problems. So ***u is like Chernobyl on steroids. MHG

mhgaffney

08-24-2013, 03:29 PM

The truth will come out about the events of 9/11 some day question is when.

Steel structure buildings do not fall down on their footprint (#7) because some debris fell and a small fire.

If anyone accepts the official story 100% than they are either stupid or in complete denial. If one part of the story is fabricated the entire story needs to be looked at. Look whose interests have been benefited from the 9/11 attack.Look how the country has been changed.

What is amazing is more questions are not being asked.

What else is amazing is the moronic ridicule heaped on those who are asking reasonable questions about the official story.

People think 9/11 is old news. But this is wrong.

When criminals go free -- they become emboldened.

Past is prologue.

MHG

nyuk nyuk

08-24-2013, 05:49 PM

Chernobyl was never in containment. The reactor building was open.

***ushima is worse for many reasons -- the first is because at Chernobyl only one reactor melted down -- whereas four melted down at ***ushima.

The potential release at ***ushima is at least 100 X Chernobyl -- when the stored spent fuel rods are included.

Each reactor at ***ushima also presents a different set of problems. So ***u is like Chernobyl on steroids. MHG

Yes I know the Chernobyl building had no containment. That was my point. Emphasize potential release, not what is released. Containment facilities and reactors intact, even if somewhat damaged and leaking to a degree.

W*GS

08-25-2013, 08:39 AM

Not that baja and gaffe will let science interfere with their scaredy-cat I-pooped-myself-out-of-fear lifestyle...

What Does the ***ushima Leak Mean for America? (http://tinyurl.com/lbx8t9q)

baja

08-25-2013, 08:59 AM

Not that baja and gaffe will let science interfere with their scaredy-cat I-pooped-myself-out-of-fear lifestyle...

What Does the ***ushima Leak Mean for America? (http://news.discovery.com/earth/oceans/what-does-the-***ushima-leak-mean-for-america-130822.htm)

We're Sorry, This Page Is Not Available!

It has been deteriorated by radiation.

W*GS

08-25-2013, 09:08 AM

We're Sorry, This Page Is Not Available!

It has been deteriorated by radiation.

Blame the mods for replacing the letter combination "F-u-k" with "***".

Apparently we can't handle those three letters together. Too naughty.

Try this: http://tinyurl.com/lbx8t9q

nyuk nyuk

08-25-2013, 09:50 AM

We're Sorry, This Page Is Not Available!

It has been deteriorated by radiation.

Fix the link, change the *** to the appropriate letters that this idiot forum's software censored out.

mhgaffney

08-25-2013, 12:10 PM

Yes I know the Chernobyl building had no containment. That was my point. Emphasize potential release, not what is released. Containment facilities and reactors intact, even if somewhat damaged and leaking to a degree.

Containment has already been lost at ***ushima. The containment vessel for at least one of the reactors -- has been breached. Possibly more. This means we could face a China Syndrome -- a new and much worse release in the future.

Nor has containment prevented the release of huge amounts of radiation into the sea. The Japanese have flooded the reactors with water to keep the temperatures from rising -- but the water has been leaking into the sea -- contaminating the Pacific.

Also -- the spent fuel rods have no containment whatsoever. If they are exposed to air they will burn and this release alone would be vastly greater than Chernobyl.

The crisis is not over -- far from it. It will probably continue for many years -- as there is no real solution. MHG

mhgaffney

08-25-2013, 12:46 PM

We have a lot to learn about the effects of radiation. People assume the problems are long term -- increased cancer risk. But some of the most serous effects develop quickly -- and have nothing to do with cancer.

Check out this video with Dr Chris Busby, an expert on health effects from radiation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Kkuo-IK-A

It turns out that radioactive cesium 137 causes vascular disease -- in a matter of months. There has been an explosive increase in strokes and heart attacks -- in Japan since the event. Especially in children.

Also see:
http://enenews.com/expert-beware-***ushima-radiation-causing-deadly-heart-problems-children-kids-already-suffering-heart-attacks-locals-affected-areas-video

MHG

W*GS

08-25-2013, 01:13 PM

It turns out that radioactive cesium 137 causes vascular disease -- in a matter of months. There has been an explosive increase in strokes and heart attacks -- in Japan since the event. Especially in children.

Show me the data that supports the above assertions, please.

nyuk nyuk

08-25-2013, 01:28 PM

Containment has already been lost at ***ushima. The containment vessel for at least one of the reactors -- has been breached. Possibly more. This means we could face a China Syndrome -- a new and much worse release in the future.

Nor has containment prevented the release of huge amounts of radiation into the sea. The Japanese have flooded the reactors with water to keep the temperatures from rising -- but the water has been leaking into the sea -- contaminating the Pacific.

Cracks in reactor containment do not equal containment loss. That term insinuates there is no containment whatsoever. How about saying it is leaking?

nyuk nyuk

08-25-2013, 01:30 PM

Check out this video with Dr Chris Busby, an expert on health effects from radiation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Kkuo-IK-A

It turns out that radioactive cesium 137 causes vascular disease -- in a matter of months. There has been an explosive increase in strokes and heart attacks -- in Japan since the event. Especially in children.

Uh, controversial theories from a showman who insists on making videos and taking pictures donning a beanie and carrying a pipe aren't particularly impressive.

gyldenlove

08-26-2013, 10:01 AM

Show me the data that supports the above assertions, please.

Typical misrepresentation of data. You take a dataset, discard the actual explanation, find a new hypothesis and present it as fact.

Vascular diseases and stroke spiked following the 2011 earthquake and tsunami following well described evidence from previous disasters in Japan that earthquakes are always followed by short lived increases in cardiovascular diseases. The reasons are well described, it is caused by discontinuation of medication due to infrastructure disruptions, sympathetic nervous responses causing increases in blood pressure, changes to diets and exercise, ingestion and inhalation of toxins and infections.

The same thing happened during the Kobe earthquake, and this same response was seen immediately following the Tohoku quake and tsunami all over the region, even before ***ushima began leaking and also in seen in regions that were exposed to excess radiation.

People abusing scientific data by substituting their own irrational claims as explanatory are very dangerous. This is no different than the claim that fetuses can feel pain at 20 weeks.

mhgaffney

08-26-2013, 11:11 AM

Typical misrepresentation of data. You take a dataset, discard the actual explanation, find a new hypothesis and present it as fact.

Vascular diseases and stroke spiked following the 2011 earthquake and tsunami following well described evidence from previous disasters in Japan that earthquakes are always followed by short lived increases in cardiovascular diseases. The reasons are well described, it is caused by discontinuation of medication due to infrastructure disruptions, sympathetic nervous responses causing increases in blood pressure, changes to diets and exercise, ingestion and inhalation of toxins and infections.

The same thing happened during the Kobe earthquake, and this same response was seen immediately following the Tohoku quake and tsunami all over the region, even before ***ushima began leaking and also in seen in regions that were exposed to excess radiation.

People abusing scientific data by substituting their own irrational claims as explanatory are very dangerous. This is no different than the claim that fetuses can feel pain at 20 weeks.

What a bunch of BS.

You are a good example of denial.

No, the same pattern was seen after Chernobyl -- as Dr Busby states in his interview.

baja

08-26-2013, 11:33 AM

What a bunch of BS.

You are a good example of denial.

No, the same pattern was seen after Chernobyl -- as Dr Busby states in his interview.

What he is saying is any disaster will cause a spike and this does not have to involve radiation so saying Chernobyl has the same issues does not defeat his argument.

W*GS

08-26-2013, 01:00 PM

What a bunch of BS.

You are a good example of denial.

No, the same pattern was seen after Chernobyl -- as Dr Busby states in his interview.

Show me the data.

mhgaffney

08-26-2013, 01:47 PM

What he is saying is any disaster will cause a spike and this does not have to involve radiation so saying Chernobyl has the same issues does not defeat his argument.

So after a tsunami -- there will be a spike in children having heart attacks? This is preposterous. In fact, it's so obviously ridiculous it does not rate a reply.

Such a spike in children is very unusual -- but given what is known about radiation it is not really surprising. Children are 1000 X more vulnerable to radiation because children are growing, hence, their DNA is undergoing rapid replication. It is well known that radiation causes damage during cell division.

I challenge Gyldenglove to present data showing such a pattern in children after tsunamis or hurricanes. MHG

(NaturalNews) After a 29-month cover-up, the Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco) is now calling for international help and has all but admitted ***ushima's radiation leaks are spiraling out of control. In addition to the leaking water storage units that are unleashing hundreds of tons of radioactive water each day, Tepco now says 50% of its contaminated water filtration capability has been taken offline due to corrosion.

The result is that radiation leaks are escalating out of control and attempted remediation efforts are faltering. This is in addition to the fact the Japanese government's attempted brainwashing propaganda campaign has also been exposed. It attempted to convince people that if they drank beer or smiled, they would be immune to radiation poisoning. (Yes, this is how desperate they've become...)

From day one, the ***ushima fiasco has been all about denial: Deny the leaks, shut off the radiation sensors, black out the news and fudge the science. Yet more than two years later, the denials are colliding with the laws of physics, and Tepco's cover stories are increasingly being blown wide open.

As Businessweek.com now reports, Japan seems to have no practical interest in solving this problem:

Russia's nuclear company, Rosatom, of which Rosenergoatom is a unit, sent Japan a 5 kilogram (11 pound) sample of an absorbent that could be used at ***ushima almost three years ago, Asmolov said. It also formed working groups ready to help Japan on health effect assessment, decontamination, and fuel management, among others, Asmolov said. The assistance was never used, he said.

That's because for Tepco to welcome any assistance, it would first have to admit it has a problem. And that's unacceptable in a business culture where egos run rampant and the idea of taking responsibility for your actions is considered abhorrent.

To save their own careers, Tepco experts would gladly sacrifice the health of millions of Japanese citizens.

27 families file suit against TEPCO

The problem with denial in the face of a world-class radiation disaster is that sooner or later the body bags start to pile up. Now, 74 people from 27 families are filing suit in the Osaka District Court, seeking 15 million Yen each for psychological and physical damage. (And they are the lucky ones who are still living.)

As Japan Times reports:

The group will argue that Tepco should have taken stronger measures to protect the ***ushima No. 1 nuclear plant from earthquakes and tsunami after the government's Headquarters for Earthquake Research Promotion warned in 2002 that there was a 20 percent chance of a magnitude 8 or so quake occurring in the Japan Trench in the Pacific Ocean within 30 years.

Fishing ban reinstated

Part of the ***ushima denial was the claim that fish were somehow not being irradiated by the numerous leaks of highly radioactive water. This cover-up was further enforced by lifting a fishing ban that had been announced in the days following the original ***ushima meltdown event in 2011.

Now that fishing ban has been reinstated. Australian reporter Mark Willacy visited the fishermen to get their reaction to the news, and what he reported sounds right in line with what we're seeing, too:

[The fishermen] are very angry. They've obviously believed that Tepco has been lying to them for weeks, if not months. You know, they seem to suggest that that the cover-ups get worse... They believe Tepco's probably sitting on more secrets that they don't want anyone to know about. So there's a feeling that Tepco just cannot be trusted and that these fisherman probably don't really feel like they have a future anymore.

So after a tsunami -- there will be a spike in children having heart attacks? This is preposterous. In fact, it's so obviously ridiculous it does not rate a reply.

Such a spike in children is very unusual -- but given what is known about radiation it is not really surprising. Children are 1000 X more vulnerable to radiation because children are growing, hence, their DNA is undergoing rapid replication. It is well known that radiation causes damage during cell division.

I challenge Gyldenglove to present data showing such a pattern in children after tsunamis or hurricanes. MHG

I've got a challenge to you first - show me the data upon which you're basing all these assertions.

Get me the data, let me replicate the analysis that was made to verify that it correct, then we'll talk.

Where's the data?

gyldenlove

08-27-2013, 08:01 AM

So after a tsunami -- there will be a spike in children having heart attacks? This is preposterous. In fact, it's so obviously ridiculous it does not rate a reply.

Such a spike in children is very unusual -- but given what is known about radiation it is not really surprising. Children are 1000 X more vulnerable to radiation because children are growing, hence, their DNA is undergoing rapid replication. It is well known that radiation causes damage during cell division.

I challenge Gyldenglove to present data showing such a pattern in children after tsunamis or hurricanes. MHG

No, I wrote after an earthquake. Here is the data for the 1995 Kobe earthquake - stroke and cerebral infarcts were significantly elevated for all age groups in the impacted areas in the 1st year after the quake.

The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

gyldenlove

08-27-2013, 08:20 AM

What a bunch of BS.

You are a good example of denial.

No, the same pattern was seen after Chernobyl -- as Dr Busby states in his interview.

No, there is no evidence at all that stroke rates were elevated immediately following Chernobyl and the only group who have shown an increased rate of stroke and other cerebrovascular diseases are clean-up workers who were exposed to much more radiation, but this was a late effect and not seen until 10-15 years later.

No, there is no evidence at all that stroke rates were elevated immediately following Chernobyl and the only group who have shown an increased rate of stroke and other cerebrovascular diseases are clean-up workers who were exposed to much more radiation, but this was a late effect and not seen until 10-15 years later.

Check out this summary of the full range of health effects from Chernobyl. It was current as of 2006. The range of ill effects is shocking.
http://www.llrc.org/health/subtopic/ecrrchapteronesynopsis.htm

The affected human population -- Belarus was worst affected -- has been slammed. Human health has declined by every measurable factor, including IQ level.

You will notice that cardiovascular disease is one of the most prevalent issues. Children have clearly been hit the hardest. It appears that radiation vastly speeds up the aging process.

The overall picture is scary. The people of Belarus are basically doomed -- because it appears that there is no diminution with time. Things are getting worse -- in a word, regressing. The Japanese may face a similar bleak future. MHG

ECRR: Chernobyl 20 Years on. The Health Effects of the Chernobyl Accident

This is a summary of Chapter One of the ECRR book. It was prepared as part of LLRC's complaint to the BBC's Editorial Complaints Unit about a documentary, Nuclear Nightmares transmitted 13th July 2006 as part of the BBC's science output.

The following is not intended to be scientifically robust — it's just a guide to the contents. For detail please refer to the ECRR 2006 or the original researchers. The health conditions are listed in the order they appear in the book. The presence of a condition here indicates that the parameter has worsened since the accident and many of the studies report a dose dependent relationship.

Psychological diseases correlate with levels of radioactive pollution. There is a steep and continuing increase in diseases of the nervous system, e.g. congenital convulsive syndrome, brain circulation pathology, general neurological diseases, short-term memory loss, deterioration of attention function in school-children.

In adults there is growing evidence of a syndrome marked by deteriorating memory and motor skills, occurrence of convulsions, and pulsing headaches. This is caused by the destruction of brain cells and in the region has been dubbed Chernobyl dementia.

Diseases of the cardio-vascular system and blood are one of the most common consequences of the Chernobyl radioactive pollution:- anaemia, illnesses of the blood circulation system, arterial hypertensia or hypotensia, disturbances of heart rhythm and digestive systems, macrocitosis of lymphocytes, diseases of the blood and circulatory organs in adults, early atherosclerosis and ischemic heart disease, leucopenia, infringement of the blood supply in legs, changes in abundance and activity of leukocytes.

There is much evidence correlating fallout levels with endocrine/hormone diseases, e.g. incidence rate for Type 1 diabetes mellitus in Belarus.

Similarly thyroid gland diseases (autoimmune thyroiditis, thyrotoxicosis, diabetes etc.). In 1993 more than 40 % of the surveyed children in the Gomel area of Belarus had an enlarged thyroid gland. Experts think up to 1.5 million people in Belarus are at risk of pathology of the thyroid gland.

In some of the Chernobyl-polluted territories immune systems are compromised, with changes to cellular and humoral immunity, decreased maintenance T- and B- lymphocytes, reduced resistance to infections and other diseases, raised frequency and expressiveness of tonsillitis, lymphadenopathies and lowered resistance to cancer.

In the radioactively polluted territories the typical consequence of infringement of the immune system appears as an immuno-deficiency. An increase in frequency and intensity of both acute and chronic diseases is observed everywhere in the Chernobyl polluted territories. Sometimes the weakening of the immune system in these radioactively polluted territories is referred to as Chernobyl AIDS.

There is accelerated ageing among the people in radioactively polluted territories in the Ukraine: their biological age exceeds their actual age by 7 - 9 years. In highly polluted territories in Belarus the mean age of men and women who died from heart attacks was 8 years younger than the average across Belarus.

The array of diseases commonly considered exclusive to the elderly is now typical for children in all of the heavily polluted territories. The immune system activity of these children is similar to the type of immune system activity experienced in old age. The pathology of the digestive system epithelium in children from the polluted areas of Belarus also shows similarities with elderly people.

There are increases in children’s general morbidity, and increases in rare illnesses in the Chernobyl polluted territories of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia; It is clear that children in heavily radio-polluted territories really do suffer, to a much greater degree, from a variety of diseases.

Total child morbidity in Ukraine increased by 2.9 times between 1986 and 2001, newborn morbidity in Belarus increases year-on-year at a rate of 9.5% with greatest increases in the most polluted Gomel area. The spectrum of children’s non-cancer illnesses in the polluted territories includes lowered birthweight in those irradiated in utero in Ukraine, reduced head circumference in newborns in the polluted territories of Ukraine and Belarus, (this is known from Hiroshima also and is recognised as a radiation teratogenic effect), infringements of the rate of physical development in those irradiated in utero, premature birth more common in the polluted territories of Belarus, delayed rate of growth in the radioactively polluted parts of Belarus.

Respiratory system diseases occurred everywhere in the polluted territories and tend to correlate with levels of radioactive pollution:- asphyxia was observed in half of the 345 surveyed newborns irradiated in utero in Ukraine (presumably this was a study of peri-natal mortality). Other pathologies were latent bronchospasm, bronchial asthma, chronic bronchitis, chronic nasopharyngeal pathology, acute respiratory diseases.

Cardiovascular system diseases in children occurred more frequently in the polluted territories, including infringements of cardiac rhythm, infringements of vegetative regulation of cardiac activity, arterial hypertension, reduced numbers of B- and T-lymphocytes, lymphopenia, brachycardia, lymphoid hyperplasia, haematological disease, heart conductivity, and reduced elasticity of arterial vessels even in apparently healthy children.

Dental diseases in children are more frequent in the Chernobyl radioactively polluted territories. The frequency of some dental diseases correlates with levels of radioactive pollution.

Congenital malformations. Increased rates of teratogenic effects reported all over Europe, with a dose dependent relationship found in a Bavarian study. In Europe there were also widespread increases in still birth, premature birth, low birth weight, Down's Syndrome, perinatal and neonatal deaths, and reduced birth rate. In Belarus, according to the Belarus National Genetic Monitoring Registry, there were post-Chernobyl increases in anencephaly, spina bifida, cleft lip, cleft palate, polydactyly, limb reduction, oesophageal atresia, anorectal atresia and multiple malformations. Many of the authors explicitly state that these phenomena are radiogenic. One, a researcher known for her caution, says only a third of congenital deformities of the face and jaw could be attributed to radiation. But it is a third, and those which are so attributed are said to be anomalously severe.

The proportion of children with impaired intellectual development is consistently greater in polluted areas. Irradiated children have not kept pace with other children. Disorders of intellectual development in children irradiated in utero in the polluted territories are described as the most tragic consequences of the Chernobyl catastrophe’s impact on health. The ECRR 2006 book has an entire chapter on the topic. Its author observes that the official French agency IRSN has recognised that the Central Nervous System is radiosensitive, while the Chernobyl Forum 2005 report has many gaps and even errors on mental, psychological and CNS effects, and even misrepresents WHO findings. Children irradiated in utero whose mothers had been evacuated or who lived in a zone contaminated with between 5 and 40 Ci/km2, suffered a greater frequency of neurotic disorders, CNS pathology and delay of mental development, compared with children in the less polluted areas of Belarus. The depression of intellectual development was massively greater in the irradiated group than in the controls; pathologies include neurotic disorders, asthenic syndrome, vegetative dystonia, CNS organic pathology, delayed mental development, EEG pathology, delayed development of speech, lowered psycho-emotional development, low IQ indices, deviations in mental development, memory impairment, immaturity for school, organic pathology of the brain, decreased and delayed psychomotor development, epilepsy and epilepsy-related conditions, and schizophrenia.

W*GS

08-27-2013, 03:48 PM

Check out this summary of the full range of health effects from Chernobyl. It was current as of 2006. The range of ill effects is shocking.

Wags is not concerned with the immediate issue of radiation leaking into our oceans and showing up in the tuna caught off the shores of California yet he is fanatical about global warming that is decades away form doing serious harm in lock step with the globalest's position. Coincidence, I think not.

Rohirrim

08-27-2013, 06:58 PM

Not good. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=wrecked-***ushima-storage-tank-leak

"It is a compound that does occur naturally in nature, however, the levels of cesium found in the tuna in 2012 had levels 3 percent higher than is usual. Measurements for this year haven’t been made available, or at least none that I have been able to find. I went looking for the effects of ingesting cesium."

3% increase in a trace amount is still just a trace amount. Normal background activity of tuna is 1 becquerel. This means this is adding 0.03 becquerels of activity to the tuna.

Put in more understandable terms, the radioactivity of one banana is 500 times the activity added to these tuna . (On banana has an activity of about 15 bequerels)

In other words, eat one banana and you've ingested 500 times the radioactivity that has been added to these tuna (and, because it's cesium in the tuna, it will have a similar biological effect as well since cesium is a chemical analog to potassium).

"The half life of cesium 134 is 2.0652 years. For cesium 137, the half life is 30.17 years."

Ohhh.. I'm even more scared now. Look at that 30 year half life! Luckily the biological half life (the half life that actually matters in this case) is 70 days.

For reference, the half life of potassium-40 (the radioactive isotope found in bananas is 1.25 billion years). However, just like the cesium, the biological half-life is 70 days (again, because cesium is a chemical analog of potassium).

Put your thinking cap on guys. The sky is not falling.

Fedaykin

08-27-2013, 08:03 PM

Oh, and for the scientifically literate:

The decay energy of k-40 is actually more than the decay energy of cs-137 (1.33MeV vs 1.176MeV) and both are beta radiation.

For the non scientifically literate, that means the potassium in your banana is actually slightly more dangerous (more tissue damaging energy released) than the cesium when both have the same activity (bequerels).

baja

08-27-2013, 08:23 PM

Not good. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=wrecked-***ushima-storage-tank-leak

We're sorry, the page you were looking for could not be found.

Fedaykin

08-27-2013, 08:56 PM

We're sorry, the page you were looking for could not be found.

geeze, just quit whining and just correct the url in your browser address bar.

alkemical

08-27-2013, 09:12 PM

Et tu, Charlie?

I won't eat food from the gulf either...crazy I know. Next thing ya know it be crazy to not eat it because it has electrolytes.

alkemical

08-27-2013, 09:13 PM

Et tu, Charlie?

I won't eat food from the gulf either.

Fedaykin

08-27-2013, 09:25 PM

I won't eat food from the gulf either...crazy I know. Next thing ya know it be crazy to not eat it because it has electrolytes.

We should be afraid of electrolytes now????

baja

08-27-2013, 09:26 PM

geeze, just quit whining and just correct the url in your browser address bar.

Wrecked ***ushima Storage Tank Leaking Highly Radioactive Water
Contaminated water with dangerously high levels of radiation is leaking from a storage tank at Japan's crippled ***ushima nuclear plant, the most serious setback to the cleanup of the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl.

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By Yoko Kubota and Yuka Obayashi

TOKYO (Reuters) - Contaminated water with dangerously high levels of radiation is leaking from a storage tank at Japan's crippled ***ushima nuclear plant, the most serious setback to the cleanup of the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl.

The storage tank breach of about 300 metric tons of water is separate from contaminated water leaks reported in recent weeks, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co said on Tuesday.

The latest leak is so contaminated that a person standing half a meter (1 ft 8 inches) away would, within an hour, receive a radiation dose five times the average annual global limit for nuclear workers.

After 10 hours, a worker in that proximity to the leak would develop radiation sickness with symptoms including nausea and a drop in white blood cells.

"That is a huge amount of radiation. The situation is getting worse," said Michiaki Furukawa, who is professor emeritus at Nagoya University and a nuclear chemist.

The embattled utility Tokyo Electric has struggled to keep the ***ushima site under control since an earthquake and tsunami caused three reactor meltdowns in March 2011.

Japan's Nuclear Regulation Authority has classified the latest leak as a level 1 incident, the second lowest on an international scale for radiological releases, a spokesman told Reuters on Tuesday.

It is the first time Japan has issued a so-called INES rating for ***ushima since the meltdowns. Following the quake and tsunami, ***ushima was assigned the highest rating of 7, when it was hit by explosions after a loss of power and cooling.

alkemical

08-27-2013, 09:31 PM

We should be afraid of electrolytes now????

It's what plants crave!

baja

08-27-2013, 09:32 PM

I won't eat food from the gulf either...crazy I know. Next thing ya know it be crazy to not eat it because it has electrolytes.

How do you control the masses?

You poison their easily got food supply and control the remaining supply and it's distribution.

Gotcha!

See a plan here?

W*GS

08-28-2013, 05:23 AM

Wags is not concerned with the immediate issue of radiation leaking into our oceans and showing up in the tuna caught off the shores of California yet he is fanatical about global warming that is decades away form doing serious harm in lock step with the globalest's position. Coincidence, I think not.

Play the ball, baja, not the man.

baja

08-28-2013, 06:14 AM

Play the ball, baja, not the man.

That coming from you is, well, just hilarious.

alkemical

08-28-2013, 06:24 AM

How do you control the masses?

You poison their easily got food supply and control the remaining supply and it's distribution.

Gotcha!

See a plan here?

Henry kissinger agrees.

Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world.
-- Henry Kissinger

W*GS

08-28-2013, 08:12 AM

Fookooshima Radioactive Plume to Reach US in 3 Years (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130828092312.htm)

gyldenlove

08-28-2013, 08:58 AM

Check out this summary of the full range of health effects from Chernobyl. It was current as of 2006. The range of ill effects is shocking.
http://www.llrc.org/health/subtopic/ecrrchapteronesynopsis.htm

The affected human population -- Belarus was worst affected -- has been slammed. Human health has declined by every measurable factor, including IQ level.

You will notice that cardiovascular disease is one of the most prevalent issues. Children have clearly been hit the hardest. It appears that radiation vastly speeds up the aging process.

The overall picture is scary. The people of Belarus are basically doomed -- because it appears that there is no diminution with time. Things are getting worse -- in a word, regressing. The Japanese may face a similar bleak future. MHG

ECRR: Chernobyl 20 Years on. The Health Effects of the Chernobyl Accident

This is a summary of Chapter One of the ECRR book. It was prepared as part of LLRC's complaint to the BBC's Editorial Complaints Unit about a documentary, Nuclear Nightmares transmitted 13th July 2006 as part of the BBC's science output.

The following is not intended to be scientifically robust — it's just a guide to the contents. For detail please refer to the ECRR 2006 or the original researchers. The health conditions are listed in the order they appear in the book. The presence of a condition here indicates that the parameter has worsened since the accident and many of the studies report a dose dependent relationship.

Psychological diseases correlate with levels of radioactive pollution. There is a steep and continuing increase in diseases of the nervous system, e.g. congenital convulsive syndrome, brain circulation pathology, general neurological diseases, short-term memory loss, deterioration of attention function in school-children.

In adults there is growing evidence of a syndrome marked by deteriorating memory and motor skills, occurrence of convulsions, and pulsing headaches. This is caused by the destruction of brain cells and in the region has been dubbed Chernobyl dementia.

Diseases of the cardio-vascular system and blood are one of the most common consequences of the Chernobyl radioactive pollution:- anaemia, illnesses of the blood circulation system, arterial hypertensia or hypotensia, disturbances of heart rhythm and digestive systems, macrocitosis of lymphocytes, diseases of the blood and circulatory organs in adults, early atherosclerosis and ischemic heart disease, leucopenia, infringement of the blood supply in legs, changes in abundance and activity of leukocytes.

There is much evidence correlating fallout levels with endocrine/hormone diseases, e.g. incidence rate for Type 1 diabetes mellitus in Belarus.

Similarly thyroid gland diseases (autoimmune thyroiditis, thyrotoxicosis, diabetes etc.). In 1993 more than 40 % of the surveyed children in the Gomel area of Belarus had an enlarged thyroid gland. Experts think up to 1.5 million people in Belarus are at risk of pathology of the thyroid gland.

In some of the Chernobyl-polluted territories immune systems are compromised, with changes to cellular and humoral immunity, decreased maintenance T- and B- lymphocytes, reduced resistance to infections and other diseases, raised frequency and expressiveness of tonsillitis, lymphadenopathies and lowered resistance to cancer.

In the radioactively polluted territories the typical consequence of infringement of the immune system appears as an immuno-deficiency. An increase in frequency and intensity of both acute and chronic diseases is observed everywhere in the Chernobyl polluted territories. Sometimes the weakening of the immune system in these radioactively polluted territories is referred to as Chernobyl AIDS.

There is accelerated ageing among the people in radioactively polluted territories in the Ukraine: their biological age exceeds their actual age by 7 - 9 years. In highly polluted territories in Belarus the mean age of men and women who died from heart attacks was 8 years younger than the average across Belarus.

The array of diseases commonly considered exclusive to the elderly is now typical for children in all of the heavily polluted territories. The immune system activity of these children is similar to the type of immune system activity experienced in old age. The pathology of the digestive system epithelium in children from the polluted areas of Belarus also shows similarities with elderly people.

There are increases in children’s general morbidity, and increases in rare illnesses in the Chernobyl polluted territories of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia; It is clear that children in heavily radio-polluted territories really do suffer, to a much greater degree, from a variety of diseases.

Total child morbidity in Ukraine increased by 2.9 times between 1986 and 2001, newborn morbidity in Belarus increases year-on-year at a rate of 9.5% with greatest increases in the most polluted Gomel area. The spectrum of children’s non-cancer illnesses in the polluted territories includes lowered birthweight in those irradiated in utero in Ukraine, reduced head circumference in newborns in the polluted territories of Ukraine and Belarus, (this is known from Hiroshima also and is recognised as a radiation teratogenic effect), infringements of the rate of physical development in those irradiated in utero, premature birth more common in the polluted territories of Belarus, delayed rate of growth in the radioactively polluted parts of Belarus.

Respiratory system diseases occurred everywhere in the polluted territories and tend to correlate with levels of radioactive pollution:- asphyxia was observed in half of the 345 surveyed newborns irradiated in utero in Ukraine (presumably this was a study of peri-natal mortality). Other pathologies were latent bronchospasm, bronchial asthma, chronic bronchitis, chronic nasopharyngeal pathology, acute respiratory diseases.

Cardiovascular system diseases in children occurred more frequently in the polluted territories, including infringements of cardiac rhythm, infringements of vegetative regulation of cardiac activity, arterial hypertension, reduced numbers of B- and T-lymphocytes, lymphopenia, brachycardia, lymphoid hyperplasia, haematological disease, heart conductivity, and reduced elasticity of arterial vessels even in apparently healthy children.

Dental diseases in children are more frequent in the Chernobyl radioactively polluted territories. The frequency of some dental diseases correlates with levels of radioactive pollution.

Congenital malformations. Increased rates of teratogenic effects reported all over Europe, with a dose dependent relationship found in a Bavarian study. In Europe there were also widespread increases in still birth, premature birth, low birth weight, Down's Syndrome, perinatal and neonatal deaths, and reduced birth rate. In Belarus, according to the Belarus National Genetic Monitoring Registry, there were post-Chernobyl increases in anencephaly, spina bifida, cleft lip, cleft palate, polydactyly, limb reduction, oesophageal atresia, anorectal atresia and multiple malformations. Many of the authors explicitly state that these phenomena are radiogenic. One, a researcher known for her caution, says only a third of congenital deformities of the face and jaw could be attributed to radiation. But it is a third, and those which are so attributed are said to be anomalously severe.

The proportion of children with impaired intellectual development is consistently greater in polluted areas. Irradiated children have not kept pace with other children. Disorders of intellectual development in children irradiated in utero in the polluted territories are described as the most tragic consequences of the Chernobyl catastrophe’s impact on health. The ECRR 2006 book has an entire chapter on the topic. Its author observes that the official French agency IRSN has recognised that the Central Nervous System is radiosensitive, while the Chernobyl Forum 2005 report has many gaps and even errors on mental, psychological and CNS effects, and even misrepresents WHO findings. Children irradiated in utero whose mothers had been evacuated or who lived in a zone contaminated with between 5 and 40 Ci/km2, suffered a greater frequency of neurotic disorders, CNS pathology and delay of mental development, compared with children in the less polluted areas of Belarus. The depression of intellectual development was massively greater in the irradiated group than in the controls; pathologies include neurotic disorders, asthenic syndrome, vegetative dystonia, CNS organic pathology, delayed mental development, EEG pathology, delayed development of speech, lowered psycho-emotional development, low IQ indices, deviations in mental development, memory impairment, immaturity for school, organic pathology of the brain, decreased and delayed psychomotor development, epilepsy and epilepsy-related conditions, and schizophrenia.

All of these things you quote are late effects, things that happened years or decades after the incident. Oh, and none of the things listed in that very inclusive list is stroke.

The section you highlighted on children having the same illnesses as elderly, only references immune system activity and gastrointestinal lining.

There is still no evidence of an accute spike in stroke or cerebrovascular disorders incidence rates. There is however evidence for such a spike following severe earthquakes.

ZONA

08-28-2013, 09:22 AM

I say we just dump a **** load of cement on the northern part of Japan. Sorry, but any place that is prone to continuous massive earthquakes should not have a nuclear plant, especially one that is build by dumb asses.

alkemical

08-28-2013, 10:03 AM

Here's another POV on what happened at TMI:

http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/04/post-4.html

baja

08-28-2013, 10:23 AM

Here's another POV on what happened at TMI:

http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/04/post-4.html

Quite the story thanks for posting it

Arkie

08-28-2013, 10:59 AM

I say we just dump a **** load of cement on the northern part of Japan. Sorry, but any place that is prone to continuous massive earthquakes should not have a nuclear plant, especially one that is build by dumb asses.

There's more

The Metsamor power station is one of a mere handful of remaining nuclear reactors of its kind that were built without primary containment structures. All five of these first-generation water-moderated Soviet units are past or near their original retirement ages, but one salient fact sets Armenia's reactor apart from the four in Russia.

Metsamor lies on some of Earth's most earthquake-prone terrain.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2011/04/110412-most-dangerous-nuclear-plant-armenia/

and in the USA
Rory recently examined the potential effects of an accident or terrorist attack at the Indian Point nuclear-power plant in a film called Indian Point: Imagining the Unimaginable. Indian Point sits 24 miles north of New York City. An incident there would mean evacuating or exposing to deadly radiation a minimum of 10 million people. The plant causing the Japanese disaster sits 80 miles from the earthquake's epicenter; in 2008 Columbia University's Earth Institute discovered that Indian Point sits less than two miles from two separate faults—one of which, the Ramapo Fault Line, is the longest and most potentially devastating seismic zone in the Eastern U.S.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/03/14/rory-kennedy-and-the-campaign-to-get-rid-of-nuclear-plants.html

actual film footage of the first days after Chernobyl- no sound makes is even creepier.

barryr

12-31-2013, 10:46 AM

Supposedly off the shore of San Francisco is getting high radiation amounts. Can anyone confirm?

barryr

12-31-2013, 10:49 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbCcutzXzYg

actual film footage of the first days after Chernobyl- no sound makes is even creepier.

I saw a video where they reenact what happened there and show 2 divers having to dive into the water to open up some valves or something and basically knowing they wouldn't come back alive.

mhgaffney

12-31-2013, 10:52 AM

The spent fuel rods from the reactor that suffered the hydrogen explosion the day of the tsunami are missing...

probably blown out to sea by the explosion.

This has hardly been mentioned -- but it's another continuing source of radiation contaminating the Pacific.

This story only gets worse.

B-Large

12-31-2013, 11:43 AM

I saw a video where they reenact what happened there and show 2 divers having to dive into the water to open up some valves or something and basically knowing they wouldn't come back alive.

Fascinating- can youo imagine having the guts to be that diver?. I have been streaming a full lenght Doc... really good-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdMLFJJyWnM

I'd love to do a tour there. I can't imagine how surreal that would be.

mhgaffney

01-07-2014, 01:32 PM

130 ‘radioactive’ Japanese cars banned from entering Russia
Published time: January 05, 2014 15:36 Get short URL

http://www.rt.com/news/japan-russia-***ushima-cars-201/

mhgaffney

01-15-2014, 03:05 PM

This 11 Minute Video -- Everything We Need To Know About ***u-shima

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI_KExaudxk

baja

04-13-2014, 12:22 PM

4.8 Earthquake Directly off coast of ***ushima Nuclear Disaster Site; New Radiation Leak !!! Print
Sunday, 13 April 2014 12:04
April 13, 2014 -- (TRN) -- A Magnitude 4.8 earthquake has taken place TODAY in the ocean less than 25 miles from the ***ushima Nuclear Disaster Site in Japan and a new radiation leak has taken place at the plant! The earthquake was felt for more than 500 km along the Japanese coastline. According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) the quake measured 4.8 at a depth of 55 km. Map and VIDEO of the quake, below!
The ***ushima Nuclear Power Plant Disaster Site in Japan has been hit with another earthquake and has developed a new radiation leak. According to the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) Up to one ton of radioactive water has leaked out of a plastic storage tank at ***ushima No. 1 nuclear plant, some 700 meters away from the shore. The tank’s lower part is damaged to allow tainted water to flow into the ground The water contained 440 becquerels [per liter] of cesium-134 and 1,200 becquerels [per liter] of cesium-137 as well as 1,400 becquerels [per liter] of beta ray-emitting radioactive substances such as strontium-90, according to TEPCO.

This latest trouble comes on the heels of a revelation by TEPCO that a previous leak in August of last year at No. 1 Reactor was far more toxic than announced: After recalculating the radiation level, Tepco said the water contained 280 million becquerels per liter of beta ray-emitting radioactive materials such as strontium-90, instead of 80 million becquerels¹. A total of 300 tons of toxic water was found to have leaked at that time, part of which is believed to have flowed into the adjacent Pacific Ocean. The Nuclear Regulation Authority assessed the severity of the incident to be level 3 on an eight-point international scale.

Soon after the INES level 3 incident, a Tepco release stated: “We determined that this incident corresponds to “a case when nuclear fuel material (not in the form of gas) or the like has leaked within an area controlled by the company due to an unpredictable event such as a failure of a nuclear reactor facility for power generation” as per Article 18, item 12 of the regulations concerning the operational safety and the protection of specified nuclear fuel material at the TEPCO’s ***ushima Daiichi NPS nuclear reactor facilities.”

If another earthquake shakes hard enough, or generates yet another Tsunami from the ocean, the damaged spent fuel pools that are already falling apart from the March, 2011 quake and tsunami, could rupture or fall over, draining the cooling water. Without the water covering, the gamma radiation in the area would INSTANTLY rise to lethal levels, making it impossible for people to get near the pools to do anything about it.

Once the spent fuel rods are no longer covered with water, they would melt their Zirconium casings and spontaneously erupt into a nuclear inferno. As the tons of spent fuel burns, it would pump tons of radiation into the air which would reach the US and Canada within 3 days.

The map below shows the location of today's earthquake relative to the ***ushima disaster site.

mhgaffney

04-13-2014, 03:10 PM

Bluefin and swordfish caught off the CA coast months ago -- all were reportedly too radioactive for human consumption.

A more recent report added Killer Whales to this list.

We are facing the loss of the entire Pacific fishery. Imagine the hit to the US and world economies. It's unimaginable.

So, why is the US media silent on this? It's another in a growing list of issues that are blacked out -- to keep the American people ignorant -- and distracted.

MHG

baja

04-13-2014, 03:32 PM

Bluefin and swordfish caught off the CA coast months ago -- all were reportedly too radioactive for human consumption.

A more recent report added Killer Whales to this list.

We are facing the loss of the entire Pacific fishery. Imagine the hit to the US and world economies. It's unimaginable.

So, why is the US media silent on this? It's another in a growing list of issues that are blacked out -- to keep the American people ignorant -- and distracted.

MHG

A Gray whale was born with two heads here in Baja this season.

baja

04-13-2014, 03:36 PM

I want to whale watch in San Carlos a month or so ago. I was talking with a local sea shell vendor outside my hotel. He had in jars of some liquid a baby shark with a long snake like tale and a baby fish with two heads. He told me fisherman were encountering deformed fish at levels never before seen.

W*GS

04-13-2014, 04:11 PM

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!

baja

04-13-2014, 04:17 PM

No shiit, just now figuring that out.

W*GS

04-13-2014, 04:22 PM

No shiit, just now figuring that out.

You know that feeling when you're sitting in a chair, and you lean back, and the two front legs come off the floor, and you lean back a little bit more, and for an instant, you feel like you've leaned too far and you're about to fall backwards, hard, and you have a bit of a spasm trying to rescue your balance?

Do you feel like that all the time?

baja

04-13-2014, 04:32 PM

You know that feeling when you're sitting in a chair, and you lean back, and the two front legs come off the floor, and you lean back a little bit more, and for an instant, you feel like you've leaned too far and you're about to fall backwards, hard, and you have a bit of a spasm trying to rescue your balance?

Do you feel like that all the time?

No Never

I'm not afraid to die

barryr

04-13-2014, 04:34 PM

Why are most liberals and their media deicing not to spend much time on this story? Is it simply because they can't find a way to blame a republican or the U.S.? They typically are hysterical about pollution and harm done to the world. They spend time worrying about the gas produced by cattle. But radiation problems in our oceans and their couldn't care less? Makes no sense unless ah, they are showing they are selective about an issue and only express concern and worry when political points can be gained.

Why are most liberals and their media deicing not to spend much time on this story? Is it simply because they can't find a way to blame a republican or the U.S.? They typically are hysterical about pollution and harm done to the world. They spend time worrying about the gas produced by cattle. But radiation problems in our oceans and their couldn't care less? Makes no sense unless ah, they are showing they are selective about an issue and only express concern and worry when political points can be gained.

You miss the point, as usual. This issue is way bigger than partisan politics.

It hits at the root problem...the collective denial of western civilization.

As Peter Dale Scott put it "western civilization is a conspiracy of organized denial..."

In short, denial on a host of issues is the starting point for all of us. To overcome that takes work.

Sadly, few around here are willing to put in the time, do the research etc.
MHG

Tombstone RJ

04-14-2014, 03:28 PM

Why are most liberals and their media deicing not to spend much time on this story? Is it simply because they can't find a way to blame a republican or the U.S.? They typically are hysterical about pollution and harm done to the world. They spend time worrying about the gas produced by cattle. But radiation problems in our oceans and their couldn't care less? Makes no sense unless ah, they are showing they are selective about an issue and only express concern and worry when political points can be gained.

this, where is msnbc when you need it?

Rohirrim

04-14-2014, 03:35 PM

Why are most liberals and their media deicing not to spend much time on this story? Is it simply because they can't find a way to blame a republican or the U.S.? They typically are hysterical about pollution and harm done to the world. They spend time worrying about the gas produced by cattle. But radiation problems in our oceans and their couldn't care less? Makes no sense unless ah, they are showing they are selective about an issue and only express concern and worry when political points can be gained.

Because there is nothing anybody can do about it. It's like the BP spill in the Gulf. You've got to stop this **** before it happens. Take Keystone, for example.

Bluefin and swordfish caught off the CA coast months ago -- all were reportedly too radioactive for human consumption.

A more recent report added Killer Whales to this list.

We are facing the loss of the entire Pacific fishery. Imagine the hit to the US and world economies. It's unimaginable.

So, why is the US media silent on this? It's another in a growing list of issues that are blacked out -- to keep the American people ignorant -- and distracted.

MHG

My Son works in Alaska and he said they are still packaging up Salmon for sale but that there is no way he would eat any of it.

Tombstone RJ

04-15-2014, 06:53 AM

Because there is nothing anybody can do about it. It's like the BP spill in the Gulf. You've got to stop this **** before it happens. Take Keystone, for example.

:rofl:

wow, so there's nothing to report? If anything, the press should be all over this story so as to promote green energy and the ills of nuclear energy. "hey, look at all the deformed fish, we are poisoning the ocean, this is why alternative energy is needed, yadda, yadda, yadda." This is right up the mainstream media's ally.

but, not a word is heard from msnbc and their ilk.

Tombstone RJ

04-15-2014, 06:55 AM

My Son works in Alaska and he said they are still packaging up Salmon for sale but that there is no way he would eat any of it.

shouldn't your son call the media and give them this story? I know he likes his job but doesn't he like the earth more?

baja

04-15-2014, 07:06 AM

My Son works in Alaska and he said they are still packaging up Salmon for sale but that there is no way he would eat any of it.

Could you elaborate on this.

Rohirrim

04-15-2014, 07:23 AM

:rofl:

wow, so there's nothing to report? If anything, the press should be all over this story so as to promote green energy and the ills of nuclear energy. "hey, look at all the deformed fish, we are poisoning the ocean, this is why alternative energy is needed, yadda, yadda, yadda." This is right up the mainstream media's ally.

but, not a word is heard from msnbc and their ilk.

I'm sure there is plenty to report, but there is nothing to be done. The damage is done. Now, they're trying to contain it. Like BP, all the things they should have thought about before they built, they must think of now.

As far as the panic coming from some sites regarding the end of the world and death for all in the Pacific Ocean, here's what Woods Hole says: https://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=83397&tid=3622&cid=94989

Sounds good. Still doesn't solve the problem that unlimited growth is a form of insanity. Want to fix all the worlds' problems? Reduce the population of man.

baja

04-15-2014, 08:15 AM

Sounds good. Still doesn't solve the problem that unlimited growth is a form of insanity. Want to fix all the worlds' problems? Reduce the population of man.

the question was "what could Obama do"

Tombstone RJ

04-15-2014, 08:20 AM

I'm sure there is plenty to report, but there is nothing to be done. The damage is done. Now, they're trying to contain it. Like BP, all the things they should have thought about before they built, they must think of now.

As far as the panic coming from some sites regarding the end of the world and death for all in the Pacific Ocean, here's what Woods Hole says: https://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=83397&tid=3622&cid=94989

I'm more worried about acidification caused by global warming.

the media was all over BP and the oil spill and is still covering the damage, your argument simply holds no water.

Rohirrim

04-15-2014, 08:24 AM

the media was all over BP and the oil spill and is still covering the damage, your argument simply holds no water.

And you have no argument. Do a search on F u kushima. It's all over the place. I don't even see what the point is anyway. The media isn't reporting on a bunch of alarmist **** that's all over the internet? Is that the case you're making here? I imagine respectable news sites go to places like Woods Hole and ask them what's going on. You know, instead of relying on Glenn Beck, Fox News and Alex Jones.

Rohirrim

04-15-2014, 08:25 AM

the question was "what could Obama do"

The Japanese refused all assistance prior to December of last year.

baja

04-15-2014, 08:28 AM

Sounds good. Still doesn't solve the problem that unlimited growth is a form of insanity. Want to fix all the worlds' problems? Reduce the population of man.

The evil cabal agrees with you. Their plan is reduce the global population by 80%

And you have no argument. Do a search on F u kushima. It's all over the place. I don't even see what the point is anyway. The media isn't reporting on a bunch of alarmist **** that's all over the internet? Is that the case you're making here? I imagine respectable news sites go to places like Woods Hole and ask them what's going on. You know, instead of relying on Glenn Beck, Fox News and Alex Jones.

wow, you are a true hypocrit. The media is still covering the oil spill, there are still reports about lawsuits and environment impact in the news, way more than F u kushima. That's my point.

you are simply making excuses.

Tombstone RJ

04-15-2014, 09:07 AM

Sounds good. Still doesn't solve the problem that unlimited growth is a form of insanity. Want to fix all the worlds' problems? Reduce the population of man.

The only viable reduction of population in the human species will come through a change in consciousness by the members of the species themselves, not through any conspiracy or government plan. When mankind realizes that the idea of unlimited growth is a form of insanity that only destroys themselves and their environment, they will change. Either that, or they will eliminate themselves.

baja

04-15-2014, 09:23 AM

More conspiracy bull****. I'll tell you the only conspiracy we have to worry about: The stupidity and ignorance of mankind. That's the worst conspiracy going on at this time.