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Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Obama's penchant for ignoring or issuing executive orders to officially ignore legislation he doesn't like is usually condoned and cheered on by those on the left who support the moves.

It usually makes me wonder how those on the left would feel if, as an example, a Republican President decided to ignore or issue executive orders that effectively eliminated application of federal civil rights legislation, or federal labour laws, or federal hate laws, or some other law they support.

My point being that no American should be happy about a President who takes it upon himself to decide what laws are valid and worthy or support and what laws aren't.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Obama's penchant for ignoring or issuing executive orders to officially ignore legislation he doesn't like is usually condoned and cheered on by those on the left who support the moves.

It usually makes me wonder how those on the left would feel if, as an example, a Republican President decided to ignore or issue executive orders that effectively eliminated application of federal civil rights legislation, or federal labour laws, or federal hate laws, or some other law they support.

My point being that no American should be happy about a President who takes it upon himself to decide what laws are valid and worthy or support and what laws aren't.

President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Originally Posted by leoborn

: We do not have a broken immigration system. What is broken is the enforcement of our immigration laws! How stupid does Obama think we are? He's starting to believe his own propaganda! These people are illegals who have broken our law, and we should not pander to them just because they shout louder than anyone else! Americans don't like bullies!

The real problem is an administration that not only refuses to do its job, but is willfully acting against its duty, committing what amounts to felony-level malfeasance. The federal government has a duty, explicitly assigned to it under the Constitution, to defend this nation against foreign invaders. The actions of this corrupt administration are comparable, on a grander scale, to those of a security guard, who invites burglars into a store that he is supposed to be guarding and helps them steal the inventory. For this alone, Barack Obama ought to be removed from office, prosecuted as a criminal, and sentenced to a very long time in prison.

Furthermore, giving aid and comfort to invading foreign criminals, against the interests of the nation and its people, meets the Constitutional definition of treason.

The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Originally Posted by pbrauer

President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Solid digestive waste from a male bovine.

He isn't just failing to uphold and execute the law, as his position requires of him.

He has been actively and willfully violating the law; and inciting other parts of government to do likewise. This isn't any rational expression of “prosecutorial discretion”; it is outright, willful criminality. Malfeasance, treason, and conspiracy to commit same. He belongs in prison, not in the White House.

The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Originally Posted by pbrauer

President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

WTF? !! He is choosing who to prosecute based on what laws are valid and worthy of his support? All laws are valid or no one would have to obey any of them! Care to revise your statement, since it doesn't make sense?

Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Originally Posted by pbrauer

President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

When the President is, in effect, the prosecutor, he is, in fact, picking and choosing which laws he supports and which he doesn't.

However, your analogy is a false one. When a prosecutor uses discretion, he takes a particular set of facts and adjudges whether or not the time of his/her office and the courts in prosecuting the crime serves the interests of the jurisdiction he/she serves. President Obama did no such thing. He issued a blanket "amnesty" without any specific facts or details related to each individual case. The equivalent would be if a prosecutor decided he/she was no longer going to take to trial all pimps because he/she didn't believe the law was appropriate or relevant and even though pimps were breaking the law, they were providing a valuable service to the community, even if the community, by and large, didn't agree.

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Originally Posted by pbrauer

President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

I especially like the Admin's reasoning that they have been granted the authority by Congress and the Courts to use discretion as to how the Laws are applied.
The Judge said bull****, you're ignoring the Law.

He also noted something I had been wondering about.
Obama keeps saying if Congress would only act He<sic> wouldn't have to.
That sure as hell implies Obama is taking actions he knows he's not entitled to, and has even said so many many times..

Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Originally Posted by pbrauer

President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

Police and prosecutors throughout history have decided what laws to enforce and when, cops know that buckling down on minor offenses is counter productive unless there is a demonstrated problem. The level of enforcement is always based on the local community's interests.

However

Obama has made a unilateral blanket amnesty as a result of a political decision based on the results of the 2014 election disaster. He has not consulted the states affected in fact is going entriely against their will and has initiated law suits to actively and aggressively restrict or ban prosecutions of illegals.

That sir, is a lot of giant steps away from 'practical community policing'

Americans can always be counted on doing the right thing...after they have tried everything else." Winston Churchill.

Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Originally Posted by pbrauer

President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute

"Picking and choosing who to prosecute" is an even bigger power-grab than "picking and choosing which laws are valid" at least in the latter case there's some sort of semblance of consistency?