483, I totally agree that you should never be satisfied to just not believe in the supernatural. There is so much to discover in the Universe! But your language is very mystical to me. It doesn’t really say much. It’s ephemeral and not very clearly defined. I just feel like I overdosed on some trippy drug and ended back up in the 70’s. lol.

If I can get anything out of it, I do agree that you need to keep searching, both within yourself to always try to be a better person, to bring something good to the world however you can, and to search the Cosmos through science and technology.

Religion shuts down those concepts, especially the Abrahamic religions. It’s about obedience and blind faith. There is no learning or investigating the Universe when you aren’t even allowed to question.

]]>By: Albanhttp://de-conversion.com/2009/05/25/10-reasons-atheists-are-more-moral-than-religious-fundamentalists/#comment-197185
Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:26:14 +0000http://de-conversion.com/?p=2848#comment-197185Bottom line: Don’t be satisfied with freeing yourself from religion. When ready you will find the inspiration you already contain, to be pure and infinitely more enjoyable than the imaginary construct we as a race call “GOD” or… claim does not exist. Instead discover within yourself, Freedom- the source of it, not the conditions we create FOR it. Huge difference.

Living the big picture in this pursuit gives you understanding of why religion, so that among many other benefits, judgement wanes and we learn without parroting ‘lessons’, how to get along. The known-directly perceived and felt (non emotionally) appreciated value of life is a treasure chest of indescribable joy and remarkable insight.

Who wouldn’t want that? Masters of procrastination that we are, we might with good intention suggest for instance, it be taught in schools. Notice how the good intention however could put off your own self discovery? So you may gather, there is an impediment. It is not a Devil, but it is adversarial. Very accomplished with a long track record and also within. How much stock we feed that impediment determines its effectiveness at preventing what we truly want. Is it porous or is it granite? Is it big or is it small?

We can’t make those determinations until we possess the perspective which is akin to seeing how far the light extends…or is the light all pervasive? This is for almost everyone, a new conversation…beginning to talk about what we already have, not what we have added on to ourselves. And NOT what we know in the add on grouping which is not helping us to know ourselves. Most on this site have ALREADY MADE that determination.

Morals, are they learned, or are they part of an innate awareness?

Is anyone ready for the next step? You live in your own temples. Besides ego don’t you want to know what else there is, in there? Treasure hunt?

Religion to me is a derailment of an inspiration which is truly magical. We have to consider that religion has provided much comfort despite its numerous contradictions and followers’ inaccurate assumptions about the meaning of that inspiration.

In time each one of us will want want to address that inspiration, not because we have to, not because of a God and not because we want a heavenly afterlife. We each contain a special quality of life aside from personality, yet unique to each one. Discovery of that reveals an innate magnificent quality of life perception and perspective…in the now.

How this simple inspiration turns into religion time after time can be described as a marriage of arrogance and shame presided over by rationalization, but with a mysterious presence of comfort somehow attending.

Religion will never change itself, but people can change. There is one obvious constant we all share. That is what religion describes as an external force that somehow can enter us. Reverse that and try to find the inspiration to get good at accepting and you may just discover inspiration IS a constant and already there within each one of us.

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Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:59:40 +0000http://de-conversion.com/?p=2848#comment-196248#481, I totally agree! First, yes, there only seems to be spam. As the author of some of these posts, it’s difficult to filter it out, and I’ve considered pulling down my articles since the only comments are spam. I’m not sure what happened to the curators of this site.

I also agree that trying to educate someone who dogmatically believes in the Bible as the inerrant word of god is basically pointless. I’d get more results from banging my head against a wall.

But sometimes there are other people who listen in who do benefit from hearing a rational, logical argument, so then it’s totally worth it. But usually you don’t find out for years that you’ve accomplished anything. Sometimes you’ll never know who you helped to shed the cloak of religion.

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Mon, 20 Oct 2014 02:51:41 +0000http://de-conversion.com/?p=2848#comment-196211Alban, too much spam on this site which is no longer moderated.

Why try to educate those who are immune to reason and reality. Anyone who continues to believe in the bible after having the blatant ignorance displayed in the first ten words of Genesis is beyond my capacity to help with words that are immediately discounted as being influenced by the imaginary Satan.

If the spammers disappeared then it may be worth my while to spend some time on this site, but as it is there is too much noise to signal.

]]>By: Albanhttp://de-conversion.com/2009/05/25/10-reasons-atheists-are-more-moral-than-religious-fundamentalists/#comment-191025
Sun, 12 Oct 2014 02:32:00 +0000http://de-conversion.com/?p=2848#comment-191025Tinman…cag are you still out there in the audience? Was the passion diffused or simply redirected?

I hope the cagster became smitten, not smited! Guess you can’t throw the glove of life down to life itself too many times. Like the timeless warning: Be careful what you wish for.

In terms of morality, wish for the wholeness of self and then the wholeness of all. For it is one by one we raise the bar of human fundamentalism. Morals then, begin to become naturally occurring, with no need of being parroted.

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Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:18:58 +0000http://de-conversion.com/?p=2848#comment-142007Pastor Bobby Dupree at #13…what is the patient’s status now? Still wearing the helmet? #483, where is the reference to Houston drug treatment? Details are important. Maybe I missed it.
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Tue, 10 Jun 2014 07:06:20 +0000http://de-conversion.com/?p=2848#comment-141533cag, I am not talking about beliefs. And i am not insulting you. Almost everything I joke about you I have lived myself Though I understand how religion has held many together and will for some time as an oasis of sorts, the time has come for individuals to feel their thirst. Not for a sense of accomplishment but for what is self contained. IF you want or had wanted to see that possibility, it IS possible.

Then a different kind of accomplishment can begin. One that MAYBE we could aim for, or dream of, but one that could NEVER occur if we could not tap into the key, the key being within each one of us. It is very practical, but as you exhibit, there is a lot of confusion and resentment to get thru. It is being addressed. I am like a sniper, not for a kill, but for a question to come to the surface.

If that question or request is accurately targeted or close to, a lot of answers make themselves present. But the source of the answers is not outside our individual reach, and by that I mean self contained.

What you outwardly fight against, you actually possess. You suggest I ‘believe’ or am religious and that is not true. What I have pointed out is that YOU and every other individual has a criteria for discernment which is a wisdom already there, NOT acquired. The journey to the ‘goal. itself opens many doors of understanding.

Very enjoyable without being made to feel wrong or ignorant. Imagine that? Why? Because the acceptance is 2 way, the perfect match, NOT conditional.

Like finding THE love of your life, it is obvious WHEN it presents itself. You can walk away and some do. Why? Not ready. There are no penalties for not being ready, although religion attempts to without the actual fulfillment, throws guilt into the potential outcome. Apologies to belief, that is 100% off base.

Not assigning guilt to oneself might be considered at some point, the 11th Commandment in religious terms. It has eaten away the hope of many. For skeptics, moralists and plain good and some not so good people, just take some time to assess yourself, NOT in judgement, but in what you genuinely want. Disregard anything that “adds” anything onto you. Make a sovereign or independent decision to know yourself. Ignore your critics.

That is one incredible thing to not let go of until you can TANGIBLY savor it. Then never let go. Superstition is n/a, cag.

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Tue, 10 Jun 2014 05:18:04 +0000http://de-conversion.com/?p=2848#comment-141500Alban, I fear no god, as none exist. Your god does not exist, and your attempts at insults are just childish as are your beliefs. Religion has no answers, servitude is not an answer to anything. Religion is a poison. Superstition solves nothing and the supernatural is bunk. Your word salad has zero calories and is void of micro-nutrients and vitamins.
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Mon, 09 Jun 2014 08:32:52 +0000http://de-conversion.com/?p=2848#comment-141156cag, at # 455, end of the first paragraph you challenge the previous writer to somehow invoke God to show itself to you. How many times throughout this entire site do you go there?

I figure at the facility where you are kept you may not be able to go anywhere, but you are alive and can surf the net. Believe it or not in this day an age when information is so accessible, IF you follow thru with your adept ability to obtain information that gives you what you want, then check it out. Do a full search. I have recommended one or more sites previously that are extremely ‘hands on’.

You do not have to be a criticizer the rest of your life unless that is what you REALLY want to identify with, and to your credit who wants to argue to the extreme you present. Even Lancelot seems to have thrown in the towel. But your wish here again at #455 keeps getting answered and it is ignored.

What if you were a test case for the entire human race? You want “it” but when it is put on a platter right under your nose- where your breath enters and exits as well, you rationalize it away. So do you REALLY want to know or does your bitterness in disappointment, your expertise in skepticism, give your life meaning, a distinct identity that few can match?

Maybe, just maybe there is another distinct part of you who will still express just you like you do because it is you. Nothing really changes except you have a gigantic amount of satisfaction to consume without rules to follow. Where did that satisfaction come from? Was in infused somehow in you, was it indoctrinated in you?

Nope. Will you still have an edge in pointing out people’s stupidity? The interesting question at that point-maybe sooner will be, do you get that we are all weak and ignorant and filled with the impurities of this world, but also have the chance to access the wisdom, the love and the fulfillment of all the ages? To discern stories, nonsense and half truths from reality? Would that be of benefit to you?

The only obstacle in your way is you. Drop the disappointed identity. Put aside the anger. The edge is unique. It won’t go away. Thought you had happiness figured out? You did, but it has ALL been conditional.You think the how of this is supernatural, but it’s no more supernatural than using your own senses. It is actually more native to you than externally focusing those same senses. How did you forget?

Enter religion with all the rules and morals, not they aren’t valid in a certain respect BUT in all of the explanations, all of the justifications, never is the obvious addressed ( a misunderstood sentence or two and a slew of examples put into parables). So unaware of it, when it is directly presented it seems as though it is supernatural.

Is that “its” fault or were you not ready to take advantage? There’s an old story about another flood. A man who had built his house by hand from the ground up was faced with the prospect of leaving his house in order to save his life as the flooding worsened. He assumed his efforts over the years to maintain his home and his faith in God would save him and his house. So he prayed, “God, I trust you will protect me and my home from this flood.”

Not once, but on 3 separate occasions as the water was rising a different boat came by and its occupant strongly suggested the man get in as the waters were being projected to get even higher. Each time from a higher perch he refused until the waters washed his house away and he drowned.

When he awoke in the afterlife he demanded to see God. God came to him and the man was irate. “I depended on you. I was a good honorable man and I know you helped me build my house. And I always carefully maintained it for so many years. Didn’t you hear my prayers to save me and my home?”

God replied, “I did and I couldn’t save the house. I suggested on a number of occasions to build your house on higher ground but you did not hear me. Then over the last few days I sent 3 boats so you could survive, but you did not hear me.”

cag it is obvious at times the wish went out. Was your hearing obstructed by the minefields of your own skepticism or disappointment in religion? Does any of that matter to your wish despite its outer appearance of arrogance in # 455?

As a test case you would hopefully not be regarded as typical. Yet despite a more agitated sense you do represent a lot of people. If we could learn to sense within what we are expert in focusing outward we could hugely raise the quality of our lives and end our cynacism. A separate issue from religion. One that has to do with a unique wish, a unique thirst. When the delivery of the possibility shows up, take advantage. At that point, the ball is in your court. The help is already there and quite competent. We, however in all of our ignorance are projects for ourselves. Position yourself to accurately hear, without a hair of supernatural.