I know the Zetas don't necessarily approve of berating Homosexuals as they are in to the STO mode themselves

And I do not berate Homosexuals as hate in my heart would have it LOL as they are part of our society and the ones I have met in my life have been kind and gentle people

I do protest being stocked/attacked by a Homosexual though and harassed repeatedly over my belief system which is a part of me sooo.

One individual who I dislike and who has a habit of attacking anyone's belief system for it's gain I have to defend myself in order to keep my belief system on this thread as pure as I have intended it to be

I just would like to tell user max and others that my head is in the right space but sometimes you have to take your protest onto the streets and defend yourself in any shape form or matter

Even Tibetan Monks have their limitations in defending their belief system and who can blame them

Really? Then why is she consistently proven wrong? Why does she have to keep coming up with excuses to explain her mistakes and failed predictions?

For instance:

1) "Debunkers" were able to prove that her claims about the Earth being "halted in orbit" is false. Can you provide something that shows the Earth is "halted in orbit?"2) "Debunkers" were able to prove that tilting the Earth back and forth or lowering it in the ecliptic would not make constellations visible that are hidden from view by the sun. Can you provide something that shows it is possible?3) "Debunkers" have proven that Adam Airlines flight 574 did not crash in some "inland lake" as she claimed. Can you provide evidence showing it did?4) "Debunkers" have provided many photographs showing there is no "rogue planet" hanging out by the sun. Can you provide verifiable evidence showing there is?5) "Debunkers" have proven that the moon is not moving unpredictably. Can you provide evidence to show that it is?6) "Debunkers" have proven that the sun is not "too far north" or "too far south." Can you provide evidence that it is?7) "Debunkers" have provided evidence showing that earthquakes are not on the increase. Can you provide evidence that they are?

I do protest being stocked/attacked by a Homosexual though and harassed repeatedly over my belief system which is a part of me sooo.

Quoting: Free Store

Is your belief system part of you or perhaps even the whole of you? Are YOU under attack when your belief system is attacked or mocked or criticized? No. You are not your belief system, whatever it may be. You just think you are your beliefs and thoughts, but that's where people very commonly go wrong. That's what meant by living in the illusion.

In reality you've adopted your beliefs from somewhere. Your beliefs have been taught to you by some people, one of your teachers being ZetaTalk. Other people may have adopted their beliefs from religious preachers or political propagandists and so forth. Actually, some of those beliefs may be much worse in practice than what zetatalk is preaching, since in zt there is at least some sense of equality.

Had you been born in Somalia for instance you might believe that prophet Mohammed is 100% right and hence you might find yourself stoning a raped girl to death because you felt SHE offended your belief system somehow and surely you must defend your beliefs. Stonings have always been justified as defending the belief system or 'our community'.

As have wars. U.S. wars in Iraq and everywhere have been justified as defending 'our values' like 'democracy' and what-not. Reasons to attack to foreign countries: 'they offended our values, our beliefs, hence they attacked US'. And the American citizens just keep believing in these excuses as right (100%). They think they're on the good side. Disgraceful.

And so is your attack on someone with your 'homosexuality' accusations, when all you're really trying to do there is find one weak spot in your opponent. Why not have some respect for your opponents, especially when they at least occasionally may have a point for you to listen.

This is not part of the discussion. This is a reminder that the majority of debunkers have agreed yet again to "try" and stop posting to Nancy's threads for one month. ANY amount of taunting orlies about them will force them to post before July 18th. Notall the debunkers have agreed on this but we vainly hope they will.It's only one month, until the chat on July 18th. It is ourfoolish and doomed to fail "hope" that anyone else who is considered a "debunker" will honorthis agreement and let Nancy's threads BREATH for one month.

That is all the silliness for now. Thanks for all who participate in this comedy theatre. This is NOT the only form of communication that will be seen from most of them until May 18th.

The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

And so is your attack on someone with your 'homosexuality' accusations, when all you're really trying to do there is find one weak spot in your opponent. Why not have some respect for your opponents, especially when they at least occasionally may have a point for you to listen.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 679804

I'll admit that some "debunkers" have been guilty of acting just as childish as he has. But you make some valid points. As for your last statement about having a point worthy of listening to...we're tried. Most "debunkers" have examined everything that has been presented before them and we've been able to explain why we don't believe the claims. In the case of Free Store, "debunkers" have presented evidence showing how and why Nancy is wrong, or how and why he is wrong. However, Free Store simply refuses to look at it. He is very closed minded. If someone wants to believe some "rogue planet" is coming to cause a "pole shift"...fine. But at least look at the evidence "debunkers" present and then try to come up with something to support your position that "Planet X" is real. After all, those that believe in it claim to be "Service To Others" and are supposedly trying to help others. Well, part of that help should be providing data and evidence to support your claims. It goes a long way towards convincing others. When you make a claim that a "rogue planet" is coming and that Earth is "halted in orbit" but don't provide any evidence to support that - meanwhile there is ample evidence provided that disproves your claims, then it's a bit harder to take you seriously. Usually, the best that believers have been able to come up with is to claim the people providing evidence that disproves "Planet X" are all paid government agents and shouldn't be trusted. But if "Planet X" is really there...it should be incredibly easy for them to prove it. They provide photos showing something near the sun. But all of these photos are questionable when they were taken by simply pointing a camera at the sun without the proper light filtering. They become even more questionable when photos are provided that show nothing near the sun. It seems to me that since Nancy had an "imaging team" trying to find "Planet X" several years ago, surely this same team could use their telescope, obtain the proper solar filters and then photograph this object they all claim is near the sun. But no one on her "imaging team" has done so. And, apparently, there isn't one believer interested in doing it either. Hap, ID 88145, has the proper equipment for looking at and photographing the sun. He invited Nancy and any believer to come view the sky with him at his facility. This would be a win-win situation for Nancy. Not only would she have the evidence she needs, but it would have been obtained on equipment owned by a "debunker." And yet, strangely, not one of them have bothered to take up that offer. We have suggested that believers contact a local astronomy club and view the sky with them. And yet, strangely, not one of them have. Why? If they're so convinced "Planet X" is there...wouldn't they want to prove it and rub it in our "debunker" noses? I've seen plenty of excuses...such as claiming that all astronomers are in on the cover up to claiming that Hap is a fake and doesn't really own any of the equipment he claims to have. It seems to me, though, that the real reason is that they know how weak their argument is. And maybe they simply can't admit they were wrong. I don't know...this is just conjecture. If that is the case though, I'm the type of person that has more respect for someone who is able to say, "Hey, you know what...I was wrong and I learned something in the process." But that's just me...I'm sure there are people out there that would kick up sand and gloat.

I don't believe it has started yet, Max...but thanks for the reminder. I see you haven't been able to keep yourself out of DrPostman's thread. But, hey, that's okay. We aren't the ones calling for censorship. Feel free to join in the discussion anytime.

I don't believe it has started yet, Max...but thanks for the reminder. I see you haven't been able to keep yourself out of DrPostman's thread. But, hey, that's okay. We aren't the ones calling for censorship. Feel free to join in the discussion anytime.

Quoting: Circuit Breaker

I feel oblilgated to correct the many mistatements made by debunkers.

The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

I don't believe it has started yet, Max...but thanks for the reminder. I see you haven't been able to keep yourself out of DrPostman's thread. But, hey, that's okay. We aren't the ones calling for censorship. Feel free to join in the discussion anytime.

Oh. Let me know when you can actually find something that is incorrect. And, instead of posting cute little "smilies"...it would help if you would explain why the statement is incorrect and back it up with supporting evidence. Do you think you can do that?

It's funny you should mention that though..."debunkers" felt the need to clarify and correct the many false claims made by Nancy and her supporters. And when we did, you all cried about it. Which is why we started our own thread. You claimed we can't help ourselves...apparently you can't either.

I don't believe it has started yet, Max...but thanks for the reminder. I see you haven't been able to keep yourself out of DrPostman's thread. But, hey, that's okay. We aren't the ones calling for censorship. Feel free to join in the discussion anytime.

I feel oblilgated to correct the many mistatements made by debunkers.

Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Like what? everything I've ever seen them say is true, which is a lot less than I can say for you.

Really? Then why is she consistently proven wrong? Why does she have to keep coming up with excuses to explain her mistakes and failed predictions?

For instance:

1) "Debunkers" were able to prove that her claims about the Earth being "halted in orbit" is false. Can you provide something that shows the Earth is "halted in orbit?"2) "Debunkers" were able to prove that tilting the Earth back and forth or lowering it in the ecliptic would not make constellations visible that are hidden from view by the sun. Can you provide something that shows it is possible?3) "Debunkers" have proven that Adam Airlines flight 574 did not crash in some "inland lake" as she claimed. Can you provide evidence showing it did?4) "Debunkers" have provided many photographs showing there is no "rogue planet" hanging out by the sun. Can you provide verifiable evidence showing there is?5) "Debunkers" have proven that the moon is not moving unpredictably. Can you provide evidence to show that it is?6) "Debunkers" have proven that the sun is not "too far north" or "too far south." Can you provide evidence that it is?7) "Debunkers" have provided evidence showing that earthquakes are not on the increase. Can you provide evidence that they are?

POLL: What color is the sun?Used to be yellow, but it's white now. (47) 38.5%It varies with atmospheric conditions. (23) 18.9%It was always and still is yellow. (18) 14.8%I was always and still is white. (12) 9.8%Ow! My eyes! (22) 18.0%Blank (View Results) (7)

POLL: What color is the sun?Used to be yellow, but it's white now. (47) 38.5%It varies with atmospheric conditions. (23) 18.9%It was always and still is yellow. (18) 14.8%I was always and still is white. (12) 9.8%Ow! My eyes! (22) 18.0%Blank (View Results) (7)

POLL: What color is the sun?Used to be yellow, but it's white now. (47) 38.5%It varies with atmospheric conditions. (23) 18.9%It was always and still is yellow. (18) 14.8%I was always and still is white. (12) 9.8%Ow! My eyes! (22) 18.0%Blank (View Results) (7)

The Colour of the Sun debate is one off the most brain-dead issues ever.There is an atmosphere in between people!An atmosphere that is constantly changing.The human eye/brain is a far from perfect "instrument" to measure and record the colour of anything.And when people get older, not only do their eyes change, their brains, their memory, and their biases do as well.

The spectrum of the Sun has been measured and recorded by space born instruments for nearly half a century now.No change.

Nancy can out smart any right-wing debunker.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 695998

Don't make me laugh.She just another wishy-washy American Librul.They only look left-wing in contrast to all them reli-fascists, reactionaries, and neo-cons that America seems to mass produce.

In many countries in the world the Dems would sit to the right of the mainstream conservative party.

POLL: What color is the sun?Used to be yellow, but it's white now. (47) 38.5%It varies with atmospheric conditions. (23) 18.9%It was always and still is yellow. (18) 14.8%I was always and still is white. (12) 9.8%Ow! My eyes! (22) 18.0%Blank (View Results) (7)

The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

If it isn't cars nearly driving off a cliff or driving the wrong way down a hiking trail or nuclear subs bumping one another at sea and now a house accidentally bulldozed down due to faulty gps ..[“Larry Watts came down and apologized,” Byrd said. “(He) said he was just given GP coordinates and they lined up to my property.”

Byrd has since heard that the house intended for demolition is across the street and up the road about 150 yards.]

Circuit Breaker wants evidence and when it is presented and it doesn't go his way he discounts it immediately.

Quoting: User # 78/68

What evidence? Care to provide some or show us where any has been presented?

This is why, in a nut-shell, people have a hard time talking with you guys.

Quoting: User # 78/68

If you say so. Exactly, who are these people...other than you, ZetaMax and Free Store?

The eye-witness evidence is just that, EVIDENCE! Accurate or not, it is what people are claiming to see. Discounting it out of hand that quickly only hurts your argument.

Quoting: User # 78/68

I disagree. They are simply claims. Evidence would be data - measurements or photos, that support the claim. And if these claims aren't accurate, how can you use it as evidence of anything? You can't because you have no way of knowing if the person is telling the truth or lying. Apparently, you'll gladly use any claim, verified or not, as long as it suits your needs.

And for the record, I don't immediately dismiss any claims. I do, however, ask that some form of supporting evidence be provided. Or at least some way to verify that the claimed event actually happened.

Claiming fail on this is as retarded as you can get. Do you understand this, at least?

Quoting: User # 78/68

Using your logic, Free Store claiming I failed is just as retarded then. Do you understand this?

I do appreciate that you toned it down. I hope it shows that I am doing the same. Let's face it...slinging mud back and forth has gotten us nowhere.

If it isn't cars nearly driving off a cliff or driving the wrong way down a hiking trail or nuclear subs bumping one another at sea and now a house accidentally bulldozed down due to faulty gps ..[“Larry Watts came down and apologized,” Byrd said. “(He) said he was just given GP coordinates and they lined up to my property.”

Byrd has since heard that the house intended for demolition is across the street and up the road about 150 yards.]

Did you even read the article Free Store? Obviously, you did not. It says the person who demolished the house was given GPS coordinates (i.e. latitude and longitude)...which led him to the street, but did not tell him which house. For that he would have needed an address. He called the person who requested the demolition and described the location. The person on the phone said it was the right place. Apparently, the correct location looks similar so an error was made.

And you do know that GPS is not and has never been 100% accurate, right? The accuracy depends on the number of satellites being received at any given moment. This entire incident was not a failure of the GPS satellites or even the receiver.

If it isn't cars nearly driving off a cliff or driving the wrong way down a hiking trail or nuclear subs bumping one another at sea and now a house accidentally bulldozed down due to faulty gps ..[“Larry Watts came down and apologized,” Byrd said. “(He) said he was just given GP coordinates and they lined up to my property.”

Byrd has since heard that the house intended for demolition is across the street and up the road about 150 yards.]

The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

First, a word of general criticality. Daily Mail is not considered as a reliable news source. It's a conservative populist paper that has supported both British fascists and German nazi party in the 30's. In 1924 it published a letter from Zinoviev (leader of Komintern) to the British communist party as a message to start a revolution. The letter was a forgery, but the publicity lead to defeat of the labor party in the election four days later.

More recently it has published pictures taken from a video game as proof that Al-Qaida is planning a nuclear attack in Washington. [link to www.theregister.co.uk] So basically, Daily Mail consists of lies and trash.

Much like GLP forum, if I may say so. What you read here should be viewed with utmost criticalness. That, of course, would be very difficult if people lack critical skills altogether. Polls, for instance, are never an accurate source of anything but possibly OPINIONS. Reality, on the other hand, does not constitute of opinions, or subjective feelings, or (optical) illusions. Polls are not scientifically accurate and they can't be used as reliable sources of information.

Nancy of course used the opportunity to link the published cloud pictures to zetas and EARTH WOBBLE, but why would there be anything unusual in those pictures. The sky is and has always been amazing. Take a look at these photographs for instance: [link to www.weathervortex.com] [link to en.wikipedia.org]

What the meteorologists are talking about is classification, and not necessarily a new type of cloud formation at all.

"Margaret LeMone, a cloud expert with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, said that she has taken photos of asperatus clouds intermittently over the past 30 years."

Asked how has such a striking cloud type could go unrecognized, Pretor-Pinney cites its rarity--and the proliferation and portability of digital cameras. "Technology has allowed us to have this new perspective on the sky." [link to news.nationalgeographic.com]