2 Intriguing UFO Stories

First off I love a good UFO mystery and love discussing the possibilities it may emply but cant stand the knee jerk replies... "Swamp Gas, It was
Venus, Ball lightening. Or the others that just say it was photoshoped, or wheres the physical proof?" Well instead of the usual He said/She said/who
struck Paul or third party testimony.

I'll post these two, one released from the FAA and the other the Pentagon.

I think Pilots should be considered some of the best eye witnesses to these types of anomalous aerial vehicle sightings. If they say they have no clue
what it was or ask "What the $%@% is that?" Then it should be given very close attention and scrutiny imho.

According to radio transmissions between the befuddled pilots and air traffic controllers (which you can listen to in full, thanks to an FAA recording
recently released to the Phoenix New Times), the sighting occurred around 3:30 p.m. local time on Feb. 24, somewhere over the Sonoran Desert near
Phoenix.

"Was anybody above us that passed us like 30 seconds ago?" the first pilot asked while flying a Learjet west toward California. [7 Things Most Often
Mistaken for UFOs]

"Negative," an air traffic controller at the FAA's Albuquerque Air Traffic Center in New Mexico answered.

"OK," the pilot responded. "Something did."

On Feb. 24, both a Learjet pilot and an American Airlines pilot reported a strange encounter with a mysterious object in the sky over southeastern
Arizona.

Writing in
The Washington Post, Christopher Mellon argued that the military is shrugging off its duty to investigate weird UFO encounters reported by members of
the U.S. Navy and Air Force. In December, the Defense Department released two declassified videos showing pilots exclaiming over strange aircraft that
seemed to accelerate rapidly with no obvious means of propulsion. The unidentified flying objects, which look like dark and light blobs on the videos,
were about 40 feet (12 meters) long and could supposedly dive thousands of feet in a flash.

Mellon, now retired from government after a career in both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush presidential administrations, is an advisor to the
private firm To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science, a research company that aims to "bring transformative science and engineering out of the
shadows." The company just released a declassified video taken from a Naval F/A-18 aircraft that appears to show a swiftly moving "anomalous aerial
vehicle" off the U.S. East Coast. In the audio, the pilots express awe at the speed of the object.

A research organization that released declassified Department of Defense footage in December of last year, posted a new video on March 9, which
they said shows US Navy footage of an unidentified flying object off the east coast of the United States in
2015.

The FA-18 Hornet might be my favorite aircraft,it's capabilities and versatility are legendary. So cool that he was able to paint a target moving so
fast... you tell he was puzzled and stoked when he locked on it. So many questions for the pilots, navigators and the air traffic controllers.Of
course to be asked before they got visits from officials if you know what I mean.

The second video is Very interesting footage, but doesnt make reference to any unidentified object.

Would be great to know more information. Looks as though the filming aircraft is stationary, as it tracks the object....but we know that is not
possible, dont we? Or is a helicopter.

Also, if this is a test, how do we not know that the "Unidentified craft" is actually a drone cruise missile, or some such craft for "radar target
acquisition" practice?

Someone seems happy that they made a lock-in of the tracked object, but they would be just as excited it they were doing sea trial tests of the
technology for the military, and made a track too.......just as experienced Golfers get over excited when they score a hole in one.

Nowhere does this indicate a classic "UFO" encounter.

I prefer the Coast Guard or the Mexican video, with the object tracked travelling above water, then eventually diving into the sea.....perhaps crashed
perhaps not.

I spent many an hour at 45,000 but I never saw anything I could not or ATC explain. Later..... 30 years at or below 39,000.... same thing.... however
I did have people I worked with that would swear they have seen stuff both in the air and on the ground that was not man made..
I will post this video about 4 abductions 3 of which I had never heard of..Interesting IMO... youtu.be...

There is also this 2 of which I had never heard either...but I am not a big follower of this stuff so me not hearing of the cases would not mean much
to someone who is always looking for these type of stories. youtu.be...

originally posted by: gort51
Nowhere does this indicate a classic "UFO" encounter.

Unidentified or unknown flying objects qualifies for investigation. In the second video, They apparently locked on to something interesting. Whether
it was "Alien" or not it was supposedly traveling quite fast and it was exciting for them to get a lock. Then in the video the other voice asks "What
the .... is that? "

Doesn't have to be little Grey guys, could be a foreign power testing the USs defenses. In any case the crew got a lock on.

First off I love a good UFO mystery and love discussing the possibilities it may emply but cant stand the knee jerk replies... "Swamp Gas, It was
Venus, Ball lightening.

Like the knee jerk opinions that pilots should be best eye witnesses?

I think Pilots should be considered some of the best eye witnesses to these types of anomalous aerial vehicle sightings.

Its a joke,

I think the same thing but in reality pilots are no better observers than anyone else.

a airplane enthusiast with no experience in piloting aircraft could have better knowledge of aircraft and drones and what they may look like than a
pilot with no real interest in aviation as a whole but simply wants to fly his plane.

Pilots have been known to mistake Venus so like I said I do think they should be better but anyone is prone to mistakes.

If they say they have no clue what it was or ask "What the $%@% is that?" Then it should be given very close attention and scrutiny imho.

Agreed.

the observation part and seeing who the pilots were could indicate their experience with identifying aircraft or drones. any military experience.....
how long they have been flying.... who and what they have flown with.

However, the description sounds like something exotic.

the article says the FAA said no military aircraft or any other in the area and nothing spotted on radar?

I assume this as air traffic control told the pilot nothing was seen passing over them and asked another Airbus flight to keep an eye out which would
obviously be from radar tracking not picking it up.

Over the desert, Arizona, quite remote? I suspect it could be a drone being tested or new paint I read about recently that can make craft
invisible to radar or something there abouts, however I am sure I was reading this about another nation developing this paint or testing it.

Its funny, earlier tonight(Australia) I was outside checking out the stars and it occurred to me that when it comes to civilizations that have
mastered travelling across vast distances of space, there must be technologies involved that are so far beyond our current "cutting edge" (primitive)
space exploits that even our ability to understand what is happening would be on par with a 15th century desert nomad trying to tackle advanced
quantum physics.

There are many that, in their efforts to debunk UFO's, pompously quote Einstein and the like with speed of light, infinite mass arguments acting like
that is the absolute extent of all possible knowledge, ultimate authority invoked, goodnight sir.

I would argue that when it comes to the realities of what is actually going out there in the expanse, beings exist that have dreamt and engineered
creations so exotic and elegant that we may as well be monkeys swinging in the trees flinging poo if we wanted to compare our present levels of
understanding with theirs.

To me it seems obvious that out there roam technologies that we wouldn't even be able to name let alone understand, but if we can all learn to be open
to the possibilities, teaching our children so they can teach theirs, that knowledge is infinite and that we must think beyond "laws" and
"boundaries", I think that we may indeed explore the reaches of the universe but in ways that would probably send our present selves into mental
freefall!

Thanks for posting those abduction cases. I was aware of the Travis Walton and Allegash Incident, but wasn't aware of the other abduction cases, very
interesting! I feel the multiple abduction cases are much more difficult for skeptics to explain away.

I agree pilots are some of the best eye witnesses. I also believe multiple eyewitness and abduction cases are difficult for skeptics to explain away.
The chuckle by the air-traffic controller after the pilot mentions UFO, shows just how much traffic controllers, the media and the public have been
conditioned to take UFO sightings as not credible. You have to wonder how many sightings don't get reported due to witnesses being afraid of being
ridiculed and laughed at.

Thanks for posting, I love this stuff.
A hypothetical here,
What if they sent these boys up and said, we are sending in something hot on y’all, we don’t expect you to get a lock on it, but we want y’all
to give it a shot to test our flir system. That would explain the whole video and audio. Excitement, the “what is that thing”, all sounds
acceptable.
Buuuut, I do wanna believe it’s aliens.

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