Chaoji can't die! If he passes away in such a maner there would have been no point in giving him innocence. I'm sure Hoshino is thinking about giving him some important role in the future. Maybe it will be oposing Allen with the power of his Innocence. I wouldn't be surprised if we'll witness his power ups in the near future.

Yeah, good point. Of course, Hoshino didn't have to write about things falling on Chaoji and Kanda saving him in the first place.

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The one who created Innocence is hardly forgiving, considering this program you are talking about. I do not think that it is contiousness; it should be some mechanism, that is inserted in innocence in order to punish those who are not compatible and the once who betray god.

If Innocence wasn't conscious to some extent, how would it even know that it was being betrayed? The parasitic nature of some Innocence also seems to support that idea; parasites are living things that feed off the life of their host (parasitic-type Exorcists apparently eat more, hence... Allen). It may not be organic, but it's hard to think of Innocence as being similar to, say, a rock.

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I never read Inuyasha. It's cool, but Kanda has potential to look cooler!

Sherman: Then I suppose they aren't really being neutral after all. If humanity is destroyed, there is also no more history to write, and no point in doing so as there will be no future. However, Bookman's comments still imply some kind of separation from the Order... so I suppose they don't have the emotional attachment that the others have, and could cross to the other side if it would end up being what is best for them. At any rate, their "history" is probably written from a neutral point of view and if Lavi keeps his emotional connections to his friends, that won't be true.

02-01-2008, 01:14 PM

reinard-fox

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Um, sure... or water and electricity...

Radoactive powerzzzzz

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Yeah, good point. Of course, Hoshino didn't have to write about things falling on Chaoji and Kanda saving him in the first place.

I do not know why she inserted that scence at all. It was not needed. Maybe just to show that Kanda is stilll there?

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If Innocence wasn't conscious to some extent, how would it even know that it was being betrayed? The parasitic nature of some Innocence also seems to support that idea; parasites are living things that feed off the life of their host (parasitic-type Exorcists apparently eat more, hence... Allen). It may not be organic, but it's hard to think of Innocence as being similar to, say, a rock.

Is computer concious? No. However, programs inside it recognize viruses and destroy them. Innocence work by the same principles.

If you seek giantic phallic swords that much you can simply ready Berserk XD

02-01-2008, 01:53 PM

Lazaj

if they can reproduce the same exact weapon for Kanda and Lavi that would suck.. If that's the case they can make them in no time because they would have experience with that situation.. Lavi said that they could fix it so they have some proper knowledge.. But.. Komui said that they make a weapon that suit the user..

02-01-2008, 03:17 PM

Digital_Eon

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I do not know why she inserted that scence at all. It was not needed. Maybe just to show that Kanda is stilll there?

Yeah, maybe... and to show that Chaoji is actually a nice guy?

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Is computer concious? No. However, programs inside it recognize viruses and destroy them. Innocence work by the same principles.

Recognizing a virus is very different from recognizing that your host's actions led to the deaths of many people including other Exorcists.

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If you seek giantic phallic swords that much you can simply ready Berserk XD

I do and I love it. :3

Also, a sword and hammer are perfect for Lavi and Kanda. If they had different weapons, that would suck, because those two seem to work perfectly for that pair (and any new weapon would require training time that the Order doesn't have).

02-02-2008, 03:14 AM

reinard-fox

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Yeah, maybe... and to show that Chaoji is actually a nice guy?

We have seen that plenty of times already before that scence appeared.

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Recognizing a virus is very different from recognizing that your host's actions led to the deaths of many people including other Exorcists.

For now we know about two versions of "fall": first is synchronzation with uncompatible person - here the mechanism may be like ...mmm..., well, innocence reads the pattern of "numbers" (or whatever symbols that are used by this system) - if it matches then synchro occurs, if not - fail = fall. Second if asking mercy from Akuma - what Suman did. This required a certain change in his heart - he lost all the will to fight. Innocence noticed that - the pattern of symbols changed - its not matched anymore = fail.

Of course it all is a speculation - innocence may be something "alife".

02-02-2008, 09:32 AM

Digital_Eon

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We have seen that plenty of times already before that scence appeared.

Yeah, true. Well, since the last we really saw of Chaoji was him remembering how he hates Allen...

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For now we know about two versions of "fall": first is synchronzation with uncompatible person - here the mechanism may be like ...mmm..., well, innocence reads the pattern of "numbers" (or whatever symbols that are used by this system) - if it matches then synchro occurs, if not - fail = fall. Second if asking mercy from Akuma - what Suman did. This required a certain change in his heart - he lost all the will to fight. Innocence noticed that - the pattern of symbols changed - its not matched anymore = fail.

Of course it all is a speculation - innocence may be something "alife".

I can see how the first way of becoming a Fallen does not require a conscious Innocence, but as for the second... We don't know if Suman lost the will to fight, or if his attitude really changed at all. He joined the Order to help his dying daughter, not because he wanted to fight akuma, and that also motivated him to betray the Order. Any sadness or regret could have been explained as Suman wishing he could have done something to help his fellow employees of the Order. For Innocence to realize that this was a betrayal and nothing else...

02-02-2008, 01:30 PM

reinard-fox

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Yeah, true. Well, since the last we really saw of Chaoji was him remembering how he hates Allen...

But thats perfectly OK, its the only reason he is present in the manga after all.

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I can see how the first way of becoming a Fallen does not require a conscious Innocence, but as for the second... We don't know if Suman lost the will to fight, or if his attitude really changed at all. He joined the Order to help his dying daughter, not because he wanted to fight akuma, and that also motivated him to betray the Order. Any sadness or regret could have been explained as Suman wishing he could have done something to help his fellow employees of the Order. For Innocence to realize that this was a betrayal and nothing else...

Well, it can be explained through protein-protein (or receptor-ligand if you please) interactions, but I'm not crazy enough to assume that Hoshino has thought it all that far. So lets just stop at this point: Innocence may be alife. But only may, not must.

02-02-2008, 02:06 PM

Digital_Eon

Innocence as an organic material, huh... That could imply Dark Matter is, too, so akuma are much more alive than we'd previously thought them to be.

02-03-2008, 03:09 AM

reinard-fox

Well, there is a Noah gene after all, which obviously means that there is Noah protein. Gene's have no other way to influence processes, occuring in organism, other then by producing proteins.

02-03-2008, 08:54 AM

Digital_Eon

Since Dark Matter and Innocence are supposed to be direct opposites, that could imply Innocence is also alive. On the other hand, I'm starting to wonder if there's supposed to be a hidden theme of humans vs. technology in here - technology in DGM is very advanced for its setting.