Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:28 - Oct 12 by A_Fans_Dad

You appear to think that the EUDF is for Defense, how naive of you. I showed you the link to "projecting EU political power", that is not defensive. They are talking about "policing" operations, particularly in Africa.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:58 - Oct 12 by londonlisa2001

Bluey has told you you’re wrong though. You wanted to leave deal or no deal. Accept it!

Btw - loads of people are in the same place. Loads. And it is a completely reasonable position. Most of us were concerned about the EU in its present state and thought long and hard about which way to fall. We’ve all been turned into extremists because of what’s happened since.

I was really unsure which way to vote for ages. In the end I was persuaded by the economic arguments to stay as I worried about the short term impact on jobs and standards of living amongst those who were worst off. My support was not particularly fervent. The last three years has seen me become far more supportive of the EU. Far more. Partly because I realise that all the spin about the EU in the past has been based on a huge amount of inaccuracy. Partly because the alternative is so bad. Partly because I’m increasingly convinced the whole thing is a huge tax avoidance scam and a race to the bottom in terms of regulation, to make things as easy as possible for those who want to exploit people to maximise their wealth.

When I see people like Crispin Odey smirking at the millions he’ll make it makes me sick.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:28 - Oct 12 by londonlisa2001

Nope.

You said a few posts ago that leaving means leaving the political institutions.

The first correct thing you’ve said for ages.

Being a member of the customs union is irrelevant. Nothing about the customs union on the ballot form was there? It just said do you want to leave the EU. Staying in the customs union and the single market does not mean you’re in the EU.

Either you want to accept the wording as is, or you don’t. Make up your mind.

Leaving with a deal wasn’t on the ballot paper either Lisa. We were told we’d leave with a deal and we’d be leaving the single market and customs union. If you wanna just go with what was on the ballot paper then you can’t argue against leaving without a deal.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:24 - Oct 12 with 858 views

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:11 - Oct 12 by Jango

Leaving with a deal wasn’t on the ballot paper either Lisa. We were told we’d leave with a deal and we’d be leaving the single market and customs union. If you wanna just go with what was on the ballot paper then you can’t argue against leaving without a deal.

The phrase ‘ we can be like Norway’ was mentioned over and over and over again.

That’s single market.

But it’s not me saying that anyway. I’m pointing out that Bluey continues to say that the vote was to just leave. And Customs union and single market are both still ‘leave’. So that fulfils the vote.

The reality is that no one can decide what leave means.

There is no way of leaving that does what was promised. Full stop. I’ve been fully supportive of a compromise leave position with a deal. I have to say I’m really reaching the point of just saying sod the vote, we should stay. Largely because brexiters are being so ridiculous and constantly changing what was voted on.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:33 - Oct 12 with 836 views

After all, could always have rolled back to EU minimum standards over the years.

More fake news.

Missing the point as usual Bluey. TIt's been well documented that there's pressure on us to relax standards if we're to strike soe soet of trading deal with America. If we 'relax' it means things get worse for us. it really is that simple. Whether we could or couldn't go lower withhn the EU framework is completely irrelevant becasue that's not happened or going to.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:04 - Oct 12 with 727 views

Mind you, there’ll be a lot of people forgetting their previous opposition to the withdrawal agreement when it comes to Johnson presenting it as his own. Probably with a much worse solution to the Irish border issues.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:15 - Oct 12 by LeonWasGod

Missing the point as usual Bluey. TIt's been well documented that there's pressure on us to relax standards if we're to strike soe soet of trading deal with America. If we 'relax' it means things get worse for us. it really is that simple. Whether we could or couldn't go lower withhn the EU framework is completely irrelevant becasue that's not happened or going to.

Workers rights here are irrelevant to any trading deal with America.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:23 - Oct 13 with 602 views

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:21 - Oct 13 by exiledclaseboy

Mind you, there’ll be a lot of people forgetting their previous opposition to the withdrawal agreement when it comes to Johnson presenting it as his own. Probably with a much worse solution to the Irish border issues.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:23 - Oct 13 by waynekerr55

It's fúcking bollocks though Clasey.

It's either:

No deal BRINO Revoke.

Not sure where the BRINO thing has come from. The withdrawal agreement has the UK leaving the EU unequivocally at the end of the implementation period. It’s the very definition of what used to be known as a “hard Brexit”.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:27 - Oct 13 by exiledclaseboy

Not sure where the BRINO thing has come from. The withdrawal agreement has the UK leaving the EU unequivocally at the end of the implementation period. It’s the very definition of what used to be known as a “hard Brexit”.

Exactly. What motivation would there be for the EU to continue to trade with us whilst undermining the SM and CU.

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:21 - Oct 13 by exiledclaseboy

Mind you, there’ll be a lot of people forgetting their previous opposition to the withdrawal agreement when it comes to Johnson presenting it as his own. Probably with a much worse solution to the Irish border issues.

The Day Yow Pay have “expressed concern” already.

Johnson now officially shitting pineapples:

“He’ll be talking to Merkel, Macron and Juncker by the end of Monday to see if there’s agreement on a landing zone for Northern Ireland and customs,” the source was quoted as telling the newspaper. “The alternative is to agree a friendly version of no deal and finish it that way.

Security chiefs have convinced Johnson a no-deal Brexit will heighten the danger of extremist attacks in Northern Ireland and on the mainland, along with sectarian violence in cities such as Glasgow, according to the report.

As a result Johnson desperately wanted a Brexit deal, the Sunday Times reported”

I can only imagine the response from Merkel and Macron...

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:52 - Oct 13 with 575 views

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:50 - Oct 13 by WarwickHunt

The Day Yow Pay have “expressed concern” already.

Johnson now officially shitting pineapples:

“He’ll be talking to Merkel, Macron and Juncker by the end of Monday to see if there’s agreement on a landing zone for Northern Ireland and customs,” the source was quoted as telling the newspaper. “The alternative is to agree a friendly version of no deal and finish it that way.

Security chiefs have convinced Johnson a no-deal Brexit will heighten the danger of extremist attacks in Northern Ireland and on the mainland, along with sectarian violence in cities such as Glasgow, according to the report.

As a result Johnson desperately wanted a Brexit deal, the Sunday Times reported”