Well, nowhere yet. Not until 15 days after the final pitch of the World Series.

"We like both players," said Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos. "We'd like to bring them both back."

Can the Jays afford to bring them both back?

Antopoulous won't know his team budget until later this month.

"Like I said, we like both players and they are both important positions, but we can't make a bad deal," the rookie GM said from Toronto.

The free agents list at both positions is not deep.

At short, there are the likes of Orlando Cabrera, Alex Cora, Bobby Crosby, Adam Everett, Alex Gonzalez, Khalil Greene, Miguel Tejada, Jack Wilson and the Jays' own John McDonald, whom both the Baltimore Orioles and the Philadelphia Phillies have an interest in.

Anthopoulos has been busy calling each Jays player and all of the coaching staff for a fact-fining conversation as he promised the day J.P. Ricciardi was fired in Baltimore.

"I've spoken to Scutaro, probably about 18 out of 25 players and have another three calls scheduled for (today)," he said. "I started with the players with the most service time and worked my way down the list."

What's up

Los Angeles Angels first base coach Alfredo Griffin wanted all the details on the "mutiny inside the Jays clubhouse" the final weekend in Baltimore.

"I was sad to read players say that stuff about Cito," Griffin, a former Jay said. "I talk to Vernon Wells and he said he loves Cito like a father. Roy Halladay told me how much he respected Cito. I have trouble believing any of the stuff I read."