no offence intended at all to Widnes with that but, the impression from the outside would be of a player who should be at the top of his game leaving a top of the table club to join a club down at the bottom, not your usual move for a player on top of his game.

We came bottom ( just ) last season. Who's to say we'll come bottom again this season?

I hope Hock does a good job for Widnes, I also hope he isn't disruptive off pitch for them.

The guy is not the brightest button and I think is being manipulated by his agent who thought he could squeeze more money out of his player for himself.

I think Wigan's attitude is as more to spite his agent than it is to spite Hock. The agent thought he could be on a nice little earner by either getting a better contract for Hock at Wigan or getting a cut of a transfer/signing on fee plus a cut of a wage increase by him moving him on. As I see it Hock has got nothing out of it and his agent has only succeeded in making Hocks career to seem to be on the slide, no offence intended at all to Widnes with that but, the impression from the outside would be of a player who should be at the top of his game leaving a top of the table club to join a club down at the bottom, not your usual move for a player on top of his game.

There's more to the story than has come out clearly. Wigan were still putting out injury excuses early this month for his absence, when there was more going on from todays press release. Something happened behind the scenes in late August / early September that damaged the relationship between Hock and Wigan irreparably. The rumours were there before the Catalans playoff game that something wasn't right. I just hope that the club is weeding out a potential problem in the squad before its spreads, rather than deeper issues behind the scenes. Wouldn't be surprised however if some senior players were unsettled by departures of quality players and a perception that they hadn't been replaced. Not saying that is necessarily the case with Hock given he ultimately ended up at Widnes, but it seems like he was trying to manoeuvre himself into a different SL club noting the 'rival' comment in Lenagan's statement.

At face value it's extremely disappointing that Hock has chosen to turn his back on a club that stood by him through the drugs ban and gave him a second chance to resume his career. However it's tough to pass judgement without knowing exactly what was going on behind closed doors. Time to move on now though.

as soon as it broke that hock wanted away widnes were in for him, as you say it was fortunate but, we still went for him..

Probably tipped off by his brother in law. Wouldn't be surprised if negotiations between Wigan and Widnes were going on for a while and it may have been Wigan who made the initial approach. Lenagan's statement seems to suggest he was avoiding Hock leaving to a rival of his choosing, given the current relationship between Wigan / Widnes they were the best option available.

It's rather interesting that certain Wigan fans are questioning Hock for his attitude given the way they poached players in the past. I doubt they questioned the attitude of Martin Offiah when he refused to play for Widnes so he could move to Wigan.

It's rather interesting that certain Wigan fans are questioning Hock for his attitude given the way they poached players in the past. I doubt they questioned the attitude of Martin Offiah when he refused to play for Widnes so he could move to Wigan.

In fairness, Offiah never was suspended for drugs and didn't have a chequered past before that. Like comparing apples and oranges. Lenagan's statement is as damning an insight into Hock's disloyalty as you need, provided that you accept it's the entire story. As it happens I don't and as flawed a character as Hock clearly is, I'd like to hear his take on the situation. An international player doesn't try to leave last years league leaders for the bottom club without some reason however misguided.

In fairness, Offiah never was suspended for drugs and didn't have a chequered past before that. Like comparing apples and oranges. Lenagan's statement is as damning an insight into Hock's disloyalty as you need, provided that you accept it's the entire story. As it happens I don't and as flawed a character as Hock clearly is, I'd like to hear his take on the situation. An international player doesn't try to leave last years league leaders for the bottom club without some reason however misguided.

There are two sides to every story although we all know that Hock has a troubled past so whatever his story his reputation is almost certainly unclean in this matter. My main point is that there is a certain hypocrisy criticising Hock for disloyalty when time and time again Wigan have traded on players disloyalty to build their squad, which in a way many teams have but not many as much as Wigan. If you're bothered that he wanted away and simply wouldn't play for you anymore, you're not the only ones and Wigan have in the past been the team the player has gravitated towards. Removing the motivations or perceived innocence of the players its happened a few times.

Like I say, Offiah springs to mind. Widnes find him. Widnes give him good money and success, in come Wigan with a major cash offer and today it's like he was never here at all. He's a hero to the Wigan faithful, I doubt they care one iota that he refused to play for his previous club as he wanted out so why should you care now?

There are two sides to every story although we all know that Hock has a troubled past so whatever his story his reputation is almost certainly unclean in this matter. My main point is that there is a certain hypocrisy criticising Hock for disloyalty when time and time again Wigan have traded on players disloyalty to build their squad, which in a way many teams have but not many as much as Wigan. If you're bothered that he wanted away and simply wouldn't play for you anymore, you're not the only ones and Wigan have in the past been the team the player has gravitated towards. Removing the motivations or perceived innocence of the players its happened a few times.

Like I say, Offiah springs to mind. Widnes find him. Widnes give him good money and success, in come Wigan with a major cash offer and today it's like he was never here at all. He's a hero to the Wigan faithful, I doubt they care one iota that he refused to play for his previous club as he wanted out so why should you care now?

Without the money for Offiah Widnes would have gone bust earlier than they actually did.

Without the money for Offiah Widnes would have gone bust earlier than they actually did.

I've no doubt we were in trouble at the time and I'm not making the case that we would have held on to him for years after, just that its hypocritical to criticise Hock for doing something Wigan have encouraged in the past.

Saying that, it's certainly true that Widnes had not had to stand by Offiah during periods of real unproffessionalism like Hock has. I'd be surprised if the account IL has given is far from the truth although like I say, there are two sides to the story. Let's just hope both move onwards and upwards.

Sam Tomkins is a very exceptional player but spending around a sixth (is that right? ) of your salary cap on one player is clearly going to make the rest of the squad a tad restless.

Obviously, Hock is a gifted player also and, as a senior? England international, probably would be one of the first to produce mutterings of discontent.

I suppose all Lenigan had to point out was Hock's disciplinary record and the hackles would be raised.

I hope that is how it went and we don't find unsavoury stuff coming to the surface somewhere down the line.

I just find it unusual that Wigan haven't looked to get rid completely as there are one or two people involved in certain SL clubs with a few bob that would have been only too happy to offload players to make way for Hock, paying a substantial fee as well, IMO.

It days something about sport these days when we think there may be more to this than meets the eye. Even if there aren't 2 sides to this particular story,, we'll all exoect that something has been hidden.

It days something about sport these days when we think there may be more to this than meets the eye. Even if there aren't 2 sides to this particular story,, we'll all exoect that something has been hidden.

No more to it. Just think Hock is a numpty. Just imagine how good he would have been if he had a brain, with the discipline and attitude of someone like Kevin Sinfield! He'd have been a world beater, rather than just really good sometimes.

gaz hock is the type of player that you love to hate when he plays against you, but you love him when he plays for you. he has come to widnes knowing full well that the club are very strict on discipline, why else would we sack out 2 top signings for being pricks even when the team was struggling. like all the widnes fans i know, i can't wait to see him in a widnes shirt and tearing up the opposition, with him kevin brown and the projected signing of danny tickle, widnes are here to stay and are really going for it in super league.

"Why is Napoleon crying ?" said one sailor to the other, "poor ###### thinks he's being exiled to st helens" came the reply.