Gear: SCREAMER 7/9/12/14 for Free Style. Not to forget the SCREAMER 10 LTD for my one go kite.SURF 8 & 12 for the waves. RENEGADE 6.5 and 9 for all around kiting. And some times I use my son's JUNIOR PRO 4 when it blows 45+ for the waves.Just try the EPICKITES and you will see for yourself.

Dimitri, as most people only have one quiver they use, can you make a surf specific kite with attachment point changes that tailor it for traditional freestyle/airstyle riding as well?

I have been reading all the aspects people like for surf kites (drifts well, bar feedback without being too strong, turns tight so you don't drag a wingtip downlooping on a wave, etc) but as you point out you can sacrifice upwind ability and jumping. If you can squeek those back into the kite with simple to understand mods (SURF setting, FREE setting), that would be popular. It can still be a SURF focused kite, but with a freestyle setting (not "wake") that appeals to most riders.

You have to keep it simple, though! If you put too many kite, bridle, bar adjustments on there people get confused and either are afraid to change anything, or won't know how to tune it without your guideance.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is keeping the turning radius tight even when depowered. My prior SLEs would get a very wide turning radius when I'd depower them as the wind built. Making downlooping difficult. My current delta inspired kites, keep a relatively tight turning radius even when depowered. The arc gets a little wider, but I can still whip a 14M around without dragging a wing tip.

CaptainArgh wrote:Guys, I can't tell you how excited I am about the new Epic SURF kite thread...

I posted the above reply, but I'm no hater, just ball busting because all the epic threads amuse me. It is good that you ask for feedback instead of assuming you know what is best for everyone.

Gear: SCREAMER 7/9/12/14 for Free Style. Not to forget the SCREAMER 10 LTD for my one go kite.SURF 8 & 12 for the waves. RENEGADE 6.5 and 9 for all around kiting. And some times I use my son's JUNIOR PRO 4 when it blows 45+ for the waves.Just try the EPICKITES and you will see for yourself.

Thank you CaptainArgh for your inputs. Right now the RENEGADE kites that we have do some of the things you mentioned regarding the turning speed while depowered, plus few other things.
Concerning having some type of settings on the LE of the kite so kiters can decide how far into the window the kite can go for their different type of riding style....well we are adding this feature on the (4G) RENEGADE models that we are coming out with. But this will be only on the RENEGADE models and by adding that nice feature that you just mentioned it will make the RENEGADE kites even better.
The RENEGADE kite is a good all round kite but me personally and people that love to venture in the surf really like it... So by having this new feature, riders will be able to decide what type of riding they want to do "FREE RIDE or WAVE RIDE". (check the picture attached bellow).
Now concerning the SURF kite we have a lot of work to do but will try to make sure we keep it simple and try to put as much info possible that we got from all of.
What about the "One pump" system? Do you think we should remove that system on the SURF kite and keep it the old fashion way so less things to break when the kite is getting eaten by the waves. Just so you know the SURF kite will have 3 struts like the RENEGADE kites.

P.S. Concerning busting my balls, no worries I don't have any left from all the crashes I have been doing.

Dimitri M wrote:...
What about the "One pump" system? Do you think we should remove that system on the SURF kite and keep it the old fashion way so less things to break when the kite is getting eaten by the waves...:

That is indeed the OLD way.
That is also an entirely different debate, but since you asked. I've found the modern 1 pumps to be 100% reliable and I never see all the possible problems people like to complain about here. It is simple to inflate & deflate and gets me on the water faster! 100 people will now disagree...

Hey Cap, I'm not so sure about the keep it super simple thing. Am new to kiting with a 2 kite quiver, the huge adjustability of my only LEI is easy to understand and key to getting a big wind range out of it. It's easy to make the appropriate adjustments for the conditions. Longer lines and leading edge up for low winds, opposite for strong winds.

As for you Dimitri, that 2010 Screamer you sold me last summer (epic store close out deal) has totally wrecked my price / quality expectations. $550 for a 9m including bar, lines, extensions, pack, pump, spare bladder set. Can't even find a kite only for that price, darn it. Thanks a lot!

Gear: SCREAMER 7/9/12/14 for Free Style. Not to forget the SCREAMER 10 LTD for my one go kite.SURF 8 & 12 for the waves. RENEGADE 6.5 and 9 for all around kiting. And some times I use my son's JUNIOR PRO 4 when it blows 45+ for the waves.Just try the EPICKITES and you will see for yourself.

Thank you Mr.CaptainArgh. We never had any problems with our "One Pump" system but just asking. I rather want to use the "One Pump" system then the old fashion way because it's faster. But again other people like the old fashion way, and this is why some kite companies still use the multiple pump system.

As for you Dimitri, that 2010 Screamer you sold me last summer (epic store close out deal) has totally wrecked my price / quality expectations. $550 for a 9m including bar, lines, extensions, pack, pump, spare bladder set. Can't even find a kite only for that price, darn it.

Whaooooo....Mr.NeWORBiT that was a steal and probably a mistake Close out are always good to get even if they are 2 years old.

Gear: SCREAMER 7/9/12/14 for Free Style. Not to forget the SCREAMER 10 LTD for my one go kite.SURF 8 & 12 for the waves. RENEGADE 6.5 and 9 for all around kiting. And some times I use my son's JUNIOR PRO 4 when it blows 45+ for the waves.Just try the EPICKITES and you will see for yourself.

Hello guys,
Once again thank you so much for all your inputs on the Surf Kite. I have been getting so many emails that we are getting an over load of information.
Any way I got an email from a kiter asking to put (some small holes) on the tip of the wing tips so the water can drain much faster. What do you think?