Barclay has been arrested and charged with things like punching fans, throwing a fan through a window, sexually assaulting a women, etc. The guy is a freakin' knucklehead. He has no business calling anyone an idiot.

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Let those who have never considered defenestration break the first window.

2) Honestly, there's a lot to work with here. And the East is HORRIBLE outside of Miami and Indiana. It WOULD be relatively simple to fix this squad.

.....a) See if Izzo's interested in moving to the pro's. State really is a sinking ship. Izzo's NEVER been able to develop talent. And he's no longer getting the 5-star studs he used to w/ the emergence of Michigan, Indiana and Kentucky (who gets A LOT of studs he used to) since his last final four. That joke Valentine is going to be his team's go-to scorer next season (Payne, Harris and Appling gone...no good recruits coming in). They'll be veerrrrry lucky to make the NCAA tournament (or hell, the NIT even; they're going to be really, really bad). He looks burned out as hell. The future doesn't look bright at all. NBA jobs are twice the pay and half the work. As far as him as an NBA coach is concerned, I think it'd work. Any NBA roster that genuinely CARES is probably good enough to be at least a 4 or 5 seed in the East, in today's friggin NBA. I think Izzo's team's would certainly care. Most of our guys are young and hungry enough to put up with his BS. I think he's respected enough, experienced enough, and has the people skills to deal with our veteran "stars".

.....b) He's not. Easy solution, Hollins. Fine.

.....c) Keep that top-8 pick.

.....d-?) Fix the log-jam. Trade Monroe for a pick high enough to get Marcus Smart. Draft Gary Harris with your own top-8 pick. Replace Monroe a second time by using his cap to sign top-30 player Rudy Gay.

.....h) Use the MLE/LLE/whatever's left to sign a reasonable backup center (I like Spencer Hawes but I'm in no way married to the idea).

.....a) See if Izzo's interested in moving to the pro's. State really is a sinking ship. Izzo's NEVER been able to develop talent. And he's no longer getting the 5-star studs he used to w/ the emergence of Michigan, Indiana and Kentucky (who gets A LOT of studs he used to) since his last final four. That joke Valentine is going to be his team's go-to scorer next season (Payne, Harris and Appling gone...no good recruits coming in). They'll be veerrrrry lucky to make the NCAA tournament (or hell, the NIT even; they're going to be really, really bad). He looks burned out as hell. The future doesn't look bright at all. NBA jobs are twice the pay and half the work. As far as him as an NBA coach is concerned, I think it'd work. Any NBA roster that genuinely CARES is probably good enough to be at least a 4 or 5 seed in the East, in today's friggin NBA. I think Izzo's team's would certainly care. Most of our guys are young and hungry enough to put up with his BS. I think he's respected enough, experienced enough, and has the people skills to deal with our veteran "stars".

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I'm confused. In one moment you're saying Izzo can't develop talent, but in the next you hire him to coach a young team and then spend a top-10 pick on a player that he just spent several years [not] developing...

I'm confused. In one moment you're saying Izzo can't develop talent, but in the next you hire him to coach a young team and then spend a top-10 pick on a player that he just spent several years [not] developing...

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Compared to John Beilein, hell no he can't. Compared to Lionel Hollins/most candidates?? He's at least got more experience attempting to do it..

Gary Harris was a great talent in HS. He's still about the same level of player.

Whoa whoa whoa! Hold on a minute there. Say what you will about MSU's current program, our any other thing. But there are very few college coaches who are better teachers of the game than Izzo. I personally don't think he'd take on this mess of a team we have. But, you can't ignore his ability to get more out of his players than they should be able to produce. He is one of the best college coaches out there. You're throwing mud his way to justify why he should make a career move that would align with your vision for the Pistons. Not cool.

2) Honestly, there's a lot to work with here. And the East is HORRIBLE outside of Miami and Indiana. It WOULD be relatively simple to fix this squad.

.....a) See if Izzo's interested in moving to the pro's. State really is a sinking ship. Izzo's NEVER been able to develop talent. And he's no longer getting the 5-star studs he used to w/ the emergence of Michigan, Indiana and Kentucky (who gets A LOT of studs he used to) since his last final four. That joke Valentine is going to be his team's go-to scorer next season (Payne, Harris and Appling gone...no good recruits coming in). They'll be veerrrrry lucky to make the NCAA tournament (or hell, the NIT even; they're going to be really, really bad). He looks burned out as hell. The future doesn't look bright at all. NBA jobs are twice the pay and half the work. As far as him as an NBA coach is concerned, I think it'd work. Any NBA roster that genuinely CARES is probably good enough to be at least a 4 or 5 seed in the East, in today's friggin NBA. I think Izzo's team's would certainly care. Most of our guys are young and hungry enough to put up with his BS. I think he's respected enough, experienced enough, and has the people skills to deal with our veteran "stars".

.....b) He's not. Easy solution, Hollins. Fine.

.....c) Keep that top-8 pick.

.....d-?) Fix the log-jam. Trade Monroe for a pick high enough to get Marcus Smart. Draft Gary Harris with your own top-8 pick. Replace Monroe a second time by using his cap to sign top-30 player Rudy Gay.

.....h) Use the MLE/LLE/whatever's left to sign a reasonable backup center (I like Spencer Hawes but I'm in no way married to the idea).

Whoa whoa whoa! Hold on a minute there. Say what you will about MSU's current program, our any other thing. But there are very few college coaches who are better teachers of the game than Izzo. I personally don't think he'd take on this mess of a team we have. But, you can't ignore his ability to get more out of his players than they should be able to produce. He is one of the best college coaches out there. You're throwing mud his way to justify why he should make a career move that would align with your vision for the Pistons. Not cool.

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See, it works out in the end because he gets rid of the coach that has a history of making his Wolverines look bad.

For now on, get a good GM and a good experienced coach to see if the problem this season was lack of attitude from the staff, from the players, or both.
I'll try to get a coach who can get the juice out of this roster at the maximum.

Regarding players:
My belief is that Smith, Drummond and Monroe can't coexist in this team just because Josh Smith is not a small forward. The new coach haveto play Josh Smith in the PF position all the time. Despite the fact that they can't coexist, I'll resign Monroe for no more than 9, 10M per year. Why? To check out who is more valuable for the new coach scheme. The one who is not giving good results, I'll trade him or give him the oportunity to bring energy from the bench when Drummond or the other starter are tired.

Bring some bench players from the free agency to fill the spots from expirings: CV, Bynum and Stuckey.

Plans can change, It's a "step-by-step" plan. It will take time.

I don't agree with you in that fixing this team wouldn't be that hard. It is not easy. It's not NBA 2kSports when it's time to make trades and signs.

For now on, get a good GM and a good experienced coach to see if the problem this season was lack of attitude from the staff, from the players, or both.
I'll try to get a coach who can get the juice out of this roster at the maximum.

Regarding players:
My belief is that Smith, Drummond and Monroe can't coexist in this team just because Josh Smith is not a small forward. The new coach haveto play Josh Smith in the PF position all the time. Despite the fact that they can't coexist, I'll resign Monroe for no more than 9, 10M per year. Why? To check out who is more valuable for the new coach scheme. The one who is not giving good results, I'll trade him or give him the oportunity to bring energy from the bench when Drummond or the other starter are tired.

Bring some bench players from the free agency to fill the spots from expirings: CV, Bynum and Stuckey.

Plans can change, It's a "step-by-step" plan. It will take time.

I don't agree with you in that fixing this team wouldn't be that hard. It is not easy. It's not NBA 2kSports when it's time to make trades and signs.

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So, your better plan is to.. 1) resign Monroe for less than market value (somehow); 2) to then trade someone for something, hopefully; 3) and to sign "some bench player(s)" in free agency.

Whoa whoa whoa! Hold on a minute there. Say what you will about MSU's current program, our any other thing. But there are very few college coaches who are better teachers of the game than Izzo. I personally don't think he'd take on this mess of a team we have. But, you can't ignore his ability to get more out of his players than they should be able to produce. He is one of the best college coaches out there. You're throwing mud his way to justify why he should make a career move that would align with your vision for the Pistons. Not cool.

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He's been coaching for a long, long, long time. Bringing in 5-star recruits one after the other. Name his NBA players. His best ones of all time. His ones he developed out of nowhere. His ones who are still in the league. Go for it, dude.

He's been coaching for a long, long, long time. Bringing in 5-star recruits one after the other. Name his NBA players. His best ones of all time. His ones he developed out of nowhere. His ones who are still in the league. Go for it, dude.

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Dude, all Izzo does is win Big Ten Championships, Final Fours, National Championships, National Coach of the Year awards, etc. The guy can flat-out coach. Anyone that understands basketball can see that.

He's been coaching for a long, long, long time. Bringing in 5-star recruits one after the other. Name his NBA players. His best ones of all time. His ones he developed out of nowhere. His ones who are still in the league. Go for it, dude.

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The ones that are still in the NBA:
Zach Randolph
Jason Richardson
Draymond Green
Shannon Brown
Alan Anderson

There are 16 NBA players that were drafted from MSU since Izzo took over in 1995. Some notable ones (played more than 200 games in the league) other than those listed above:
Eric Snow
Morris Peterson
Charlie Bell

The ones that are still in the NBA:
Zach Randolph
Jason Richardson
Draymond Green
Shannon Brown
Alan Anderson

There are 16 NBA players that were drafted from MSU since Izzo took over in 1995. Some notable ones (played more than 200 games in the league) other than those listed above:
Eric Snow
Morris Peterson
Charlie Bell