China's Geo political strategy

Straight from the dragons mouth. The resource war of the future? near future? I can't put a time table together but they'll make moves when the
states make moves. When nothing can really be done about it.

Almost every accusation that story makes, the US is also guity of.
China is involved with many rogue nations... who backed Saddam in his war with Iran? Who trained and supplied the Mujahadine? Who trades arms and
technology with Israel?

Then there's the mention of China building infrastructure in Africa. Boody hell!! GOOD FOR THEM! It's a sad thing that our western nations didn't
make those steps long ago!

China has a growing demand for oil. Yup, true. Who is the worlds largest consumer of oil RIGHT NOW?

China is moving to secure oil rich nations. It definatly seems that way... but what do you think the invasion of Iraq was really about? At least China
is doing it bloodlessly by spreading much needed funding to underdeveloped nations instead of INVADING THEM!

China says it will use it's own moral judgment in it's dealing with world affairs. Can you honestly say that the US doesn't do the same thing? I
seem to recall the UN condeming invasion of Iraq.

Yes, China delt harshly with protestors... but how has the US been dealing with Iraqi's who don't want them there?

This political peice of mass-media brainwashing is nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black.

You presented this CNN "story" as if it were some factual piece of information... but it's a load of crap. It's a blatent alarmist propaganda at
it's worst.

It represents the Ignorance that so many of us come here to deny.

[Note: I do not believe that China is blameless. They do have some very serious humanitarian issues on their hands. However, to paint them as the
source of all upcoming evil is WRONG and an insult to all thinking peoples of the world.]

I will say China has an advantage as almost every company in China is state controlled. This gives China the government a chance to make policy and
obtain oil resources at no regard for prices or the political climate of the supplying country.

The losses from buying oil and building infastructure in countries can be spread out over the whole of the country of China's businesses. China the
government is the one making all of the money. The tradeoff for the Chinese people is a government that will kill its own citizens. (example
Tianamen Square.) I think you would be hard pressed to find a country that blasted unarmed citizens like that in the near past.

I should probably make it clear I don't support China either and I definately don't support the direction that America is taking. But it is
interesting watching the two sides of our planet unfold as they have. The whole idea of globalism where you no longer need invading armies (in most
cases)

But as far as militaries go it's going to be very interesting. China's military is not a joke. It's big, powerful, well trained and these guys are
crazy enough to go out and die when ordered to do so. I don't think the US can compete with that, even with all the technology they have which isn't
doing much good in Iraq now, all the men they'll have to draft and train, and especially all the tea in China. lol.

The US military is the largest military in the world - China's is second unless you account for their "14 million" paramilitary (which basically is
militia. By Law the US has about 40 million militia).

The US is geared for war, while at the same time having an almost demilitarized society, it's almost perfect. It's above and beyond anything Rome
could ever have dreamt about.

China requires long-term secure oil and gas supplies in order to continue their economic modernization program. This is not a theory, it's not
propaganda, it's a fact. Being an authoritarian government, they have no qualms about making deals with authoritarian governments, like Iran, Sudan,
Kazakhastan, and anyone else who is willing to sell them oil and gas.

China's human rights record is well-known and often-criticized, as posters have pointed out. Yet still our government gives them "Most-favored
nation" status when it comes to "free trade."

A better question might be where is China getting all the money to go around the world buying up oil and gas rights (as well as other natural
resources -- copper, uranium, tropical hardwoods, etc.)? Considering the U.S. has a $200 billion a year (and growing) trade deficit with China, I
don't think we have to look too far to find their funding.

It's Western addiction to cheap consumer goods from China and a short-sighted, short-term government with its open door, free trade policies that
benefit the owners of Wal-Mart and the like, while crushing U.S. manufacturers and forcing them to ship jobs overseas, that ends up funding China's
"peaceful rise" and their overseas oil adventures.

Somewhere, I heard that the entire war in the Middle East is just one little episode in which the US is trying to secure the majority of the world's
oilfields so that we can win a war against China . . .

dude y'all don't get it, see most people would say well why Iraq and not Iran, well i'll tell ya, see Iran isn't exactly the door to the middle
east, true it's rich in OIL, but that's not the main object, the main object is to secure a wall against any moves the russians or the
chinese(newly) might make to take over the Middle east politically, Iraq however is litteraly a place that can block Russian influence and Chinese
influence to some degree, and can allow the Americans more political pressure on neighbouring oil rich countries, now if IRAQ is stabilized, the
Americans will have a great deal of political pressure over neighbouring countries.... it's not all about the oil, oil is part of the reason, it's
bascialy whyt eh US wouldn't want too much Chinese or russian influence in the area, the US wants to make sure it's Oil interests are safe in case
of a big war, plus the Russians and the americans have always been wary and non-trusting of each other, ever since teh 1800's when Russian outposts
were stretching all the way for the tip of alaska down the pacific coast, all the way to california, then when the Bolshevik revolution came in, the
US and Britain sent in troops in the Northern Russia Expedition, then came the Cold War, and now there's this very well concealed chess game between
the Russians and the Chinese and the Americans, The americans are trying to keep the Russians in there motherland, the Chinese are trying to benefit
from both sides, Russia got tech, US got money, and the Russians are just trying to keep all the former Soviet states moving the way they should, and
not try to sway away, like the Ukraine incident for instance. basically it's all politics and conflicting intertests, unfortunatly wea re jsudt too
blind to see it, and as long as CNN and FOX are our sources of news we will never be able to Open our eyes again....

US tech owns russian tech and this has been proven on the battlefield both in the air and on the ground plus the US has the money.

IMO russia is not even a player anymore, their former satellite states resent them and their influence and are forming relationships with nato and the
EU. you can only go so far when all you export is oil,gas,vodka, crappy weaponry and ZERO INFLUENCE, especially when you cant even get a grip on
domestic issues.

china has alot of internal issues they gotta deal with, semperfoo posted a great post that had alot of good information on it about china and how far
they actually have to go which is a long ways, unfortunatly the moderator trashed the thread and semper would have to repost. doubtful they will gain
on the US in the future, semper I hope you read this thread.

US tech owns russian tech and this has been proven on the battlefield both in the air and on the ground plus the US has the money.

IMO russia is not even a player anymore, their former satellite states resent them and their influence and are forming relationships with nato and the
EU. you can only go so far when all you export is oil,gas,vodka, crappy weaponry and ZERO INFLUENCE, especially when you cant even get a grip on
domestic issues.

china has alot of internal issues they gotta deal with, semperfoo posted a great post that had alot of good information on it about china and how far
they actually have to go which is a long ways, unfortunatly the moderator trashed the thread and semper would have to repost. doubtful they will gain
on the US in the future, semper I hope you read this thread.

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can you back that up please? people come on and say this trash everyday and i see it, but they never back it up, so i guess i'm just gonna have to
ignore it.

i'll leave i guess informing you of what the russians have to people who know more...

You might not understand the magnitutde of this... so let me some it up for you in one 3 words: WE ARE BANKRUPT.

It hasn't hit us yet, but believe me, the cycle is in place... the dollar and the economy will soon collapse unless something is done about the
deficit. The world is losing it's confidence in the dollar.

But hey, $9 trillion... how in God's name are we going to pay it back? It'd be a godsend that we don't ADD to the deficit, let alone sit down and
actually figure out how to repay it.

well why dont you look up classic tank battles of the middle east and the air wars that have been fought, the dominance of US fighter planes against
the migs on the asian scene. did israel not dominate its wars with american technology? is israel not the most powerfull country in that region? with
an american tech airforce.

I know what you're going to say, you're going to say that doesn't prove which tech is superior because it's all about who operates it, well
russian pilots got owned in mig alley which is the only engagment the US had with russian pilots.

take a look at history before having me back all of this known information up.

and k4rupt, the dollar has taken hits before and we have dealt with defecits before, I agree we need to check our spending but we are hardly
bankrupt, the US economy is the largest in the world and puts everyone to shame, our GDP owns everyone. we have massive influence in world trade and
are a beacon of light for investors. if the US economy collapses MANY LARGE countries such as china would be halted in progression. you gonna give me
the euro speech? please take a look at the EU they cant even agree to a constitution along with all the history of europe and the world wars there are
massive differences within that bloc, not to mention all of the capitals and political differences what makes you think this bloc will remain stable?
can you read the future are you a gypsy??? the euro is new sauce to the world scene and has not proven jack crap, first of all if you want your
currency to be dominate you have to back that currency with stability, something the EU cannot guarentee, the US has projected it's military might
and influence all around the globe, we have shown our allies we will protect them and their interests along with investment which is why so many
invest in the US and the US dollar, because it's backed with the stability of the country which is united ( as americans, not demo or conserv )
something the EU is not.

save your US collapse speech for the idiots who dont know about economics. the US is not going anywhere along with the dollar, the dollar has proven
it's worth along with the strongest military in the world to back that worth and to protect investment and economic progression for not only the US
but its allies and the EU has not. Is the eu going to mobilise its forces to quell aggressive actions taken against one of it's allies that could
possibly disrupt the flow of oil, goods and econmic stability? im sorry the EU has yet to project that kind of power and even more has yet to project
the will to use this power. remember europeans dont like war, so what makes you think they are all of a sudden geared up to protect not only it's
interest but its allies interests? they are not, and it would be a political mess within the EU, infact I can see a major conflict breaking up the EU
based on massive differences on how to react to it. now your telling me investors overlook all of this and just think short term? hmm im not even a
professional investor yet I have the common sense to realise this.

ok listen to me, i'm jordanian btw, now whatever weapons the Arabs had in the past wars, those were first of all not the top-notch russian Airplanes,
unlike Israel which was always given US military support, and i mean it, Aircraft and other hardware was always in a steady flow during wars in the
region, unlike the arabs which did not have that. second, the arab nations were and still are to a lesser extent very very corrupt, you can see it in
the 6 days war, and in other wars. of course you won't read about it in American books, or on Wikipedia, but we that lived in that region, know about
that corruption all too welll....

it's not about strategy really, it's abotu the corruption thats in the arab countries which has caused us to lose all those wars, hell Egyptian
troops and iraqi troops were sometimes even sent to battle without bullets, with empty clips, now that's corruption...

and k4rupt, the dollar has taken hits before and we have dealt with defecits before, I agree we need to check our spending but we are hardly
bankrupt, the US economy is the largest in the world and puts everyone to shame, our GDP owns everyone.

Listen, we have NEVER been $9 trillion dollars in debt. NEVER, throughout our entire history.

And yes we ARE bankrupt... We owe $9 trillion. Do you know how much that amounts to PER PERSON? EACH PERSON would have to pay nearly $30,000 to repay
our national debt. For a family of four, that would mean $120,000!

Just take a look at those numbers.... Even if our GDP is number 1 in the world (for now, not for long) it doesn't mean that we aren't bankrupt. Oh
btw, do you haev any idea how we have the highest GDP? CUZ HALF OUR GDP IS PROPELLED BY BORROWING MONEY FROM OTHER NATIONS. THOSE NATIONS are fueling
our GDP. Ever wonder what would happen if they decided to dump the dollar?

It'd be a miracle if we don't ADD on to the deficit each year... let me ask you: HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY IT ALL BACK. We are going to have to sooner
or later. Do you have ANY IDEA how we are going to pay it back?

save your US collapse speech for the idiots who dont know about economics. the US is not going anywhere along with the dollar, the dollar has proven
it's worth along with the strongest military in the world to back that worth and to protect investment and economic progression for not only the US
but its allies and the EU has not.

So what if the dollar is with the "strongest miltary" in the world? What are you going to do? Pour tanks into other nations FORCING people not to
dump the dollar? You kiddin me right?

and k4rupt, the dollar has taken hits before and we have dealt with defecits before, I agree we need to check our spending but we are hardly
bankrupt, the US economy is the largest in the world and puts everyone to shame, our GDP owns everyone.

Listen, we have NEVER been $9 trillion dollars in debt. NEVER, throughout our entire history.

And yes we ARE bankrupt... We owe $9 trillion. Do you know how much that amounts to PER PERSON? EACH PERSON would have to pay nearly $30,000 to repay
our national debt. For a family of four, that would mean $120,000!

Just take a look at those numbers.... Even if our GDP is number 1 in the world (for now, not for long) it doesn't mean that we aren't bankrupt. Oh
btw, do you haev any idea how we have the highest GDP? CUZ HALF OUR GDP IS PROPELLED BY BORROWING MONEY FROM OTHER NATIONS. THOSE NATIONS are fueling
our GDP. Ever wonder what would happen if they decided to dump the dollar?

It'd be a miracle if we don't ADD on to the deficit each year... let me ask you: HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY IT ALL BACK. We are going to have to sooner
or later. Do you have ANY IDEA how we are going to pay it back?

save your US collapse speech for the idiots who dont know about economics. the US is not going anywhere along with the dollar, the dollar has proven
it's worth along with the strongest military in the world to back that worth and to protect investment and economic progression for not only the US
but its allies and the EU has not.

So what if the dollar is with the "strongest miltary" in the world? What are you going to do? Pour tanks into other nations FORCING people not to
dump the dollar? You kiddin me right?

also fiscal responsibility, people are not just going to dump that dollar buddy, it would cause a global depression, to many countries have a stake in
our market and the global market which reacts bad to these things, the US is already heading in a different direction in regards to leadership we just
need to cut insane spending and make some adjustments, once again save the collapse speech for the ignorant, the US dollar has seen bumpy times in the
past.

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