OT: Tom you incorrect in -You Know You Don't Live In California When.

Sorry Tom, you are incorrect.
Urban areas do define the course of a country. People thought history have
congregated with others.
They gather to make a living, shop, worship, govern, work in areas like
manufacturing, shipping and the like. Where does the farmer or rancher sell
their efforts? Where in modern history has a rural people forced a nation or
people to change? Governments are permitted to exist by the urban people.
A staggering 80% of the country lives in a urban area. (Source
http://tinyurl.com/2z58g ) The important things are simple. Parents are,
and should be, the ones trusted with the responsibility to raise their
children to become good the future leaders, solid citizens with a solid
moral base. And, importantly, to become future parents and leaders.
We [as parents] do have more influence than we think. How many times have
you asked, "How could any parent let their kid out of the house
looking/dressed like that!" The young girls with the short shirts that
remind me of a roll of busted poppin' fresh dough. Spiked hair, pants
hanging half way down their butts, ect. Will these kids grow to govern us?
We have the responsibility to teach and guide them down a different path
than the correct path.
Tom also said...

Although this may have some modicum of truth, the entertainment/news
industry does what every other business does, sell its product. It is the
height of naivetivity to think that a small group will ever stop the making
of such fine film classics as "Chain saw..., ect." You and for the most
part I, do not like what is on local television. Yet they sell their
product day after day because more people watch than don't. If everyone in
the all of the rural areas stopped watching or going to the movies, they
would still prosper.
I live in a suburb of Los Angeles. I hunt, fish, build things and have
raised my children to become a strong part of society. I work to earn an
income to support my family. I employ many others so they can raise their
families. I sell products people need and want. I provide a service that
people need in our society. I don't believe that my moral outrage towards
the what I believe are the degenerate segments of our combined cultures
provides me the right to disallow them, only the right to educate my family
and the people in my sphere of influence as to the direction I believe is
correct.
I and a staggering number of urbanites do hold the same set of values as
those who by choice or circumstance live in rural areas. It is only in
ignorance or arrogance that you and other ruralities believe you are alone
sit atop the moral mountain.
Tom finished by saying...

Cheer up Tom, you could have been born in a country that is under the
scourge of a repressive government, or one that prohibits free expression of
religion or one that can not even provide you with clean water or one that
by law, limits the number and sex of your children or one that murder, rape
and kidnapping are not just headlines but a way of life or one that the put
you in the position of considering, will I be able to feed my children
today?
Dave
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I think that there must be a sociological concept akin to that of
critical mass in nuclear physics. Once you get beyond a certain
population density, things begin to go wrong quickly. Once a local
population has reached the level where anonymous interactions are
typical - the social compact goes all to hell.

Agreed.
Their prosperity is not my concern. The fact that the media is a
reflection of an urban outlook on life is my concern.

I applaud your efforts. I deplore the obstacles that geography has
put in your path.

I only wish that it was a mountain. It is more like a sea. We are
not sitting above anything but would like to keep our area of the sea
free from certain effluents. Given the interactive nature of a sea -
this is extremely difficult.

Jeremy Rifkin, in his book "The Hydrogen Economy" points out that people
began to cluster together in cities because of the way that commodities, in
particular bio-fuels and fossil fuels, were distributed. The energy
supplies were brought to central location (a port, an overland trade route,
&tc.), and distributed from there. It was just esier to live close by,
hence high-density population centers.
An interesting corollary is that, if we could produce energy at
decentralized locations (e.g. wind, hydrogen fuel cells, etc.), it wouldn't
make sense to live in high-density centers; we could spread out.
-JBB

Ass-backwards. They brought firewood to the city because that's where the
buyers were, they didn't cluster in the city because they brought firewood
there. Didn't have to "distribute" it to the boondocks, they had their own.
Then, as many US historians have mentioned, there's corn. Tough to get to
market in bulk over a trail, but easy if you feed it to livestock which
walks or distill into high-value compact whiskey.
"Urban Sprawl" is the direction the US took. You and Rifkin need to look
overhead at those towers delivering electricity everywhere. If you still
don't believe, get into your automobile (alone, like everyone else) and
drive along the ever-increasing road web to what used to be country. There
you will discover single-family dwellings everywhere, and the occasional
metal-sided industrial facility built on cheaper, less-regulated land using
electricity delivered by those same wires, and goods delivered over those
same roads by those trucks you're dodging. You might even cross an
abandoned railroad right-of-way or puzzle over the remains of an old dock on
a modest bridged stream.

I agree, with a proviso: I sometimes think that a couple of years of true city
living is a great thing for a young person. I had mine in New York many years
ago, and a similar experience may be impossible in today's world, which would
be unfortunate. 85 bucks a week working for a tiny ad agency, $2 cover charge
to sit at Gerde's Folk City and listen to all the big, and small, names as that
trend was rising to the surface (including Victoria's Secret's Bob Dylan),
riding on the Staten Island ferry to take a girlfriend home, walking in Central
Park at midnight (yeah, yeah, I know this is impossible without a squad now,
but 41 years ago, a single former Marine could amble through without problems),
walking up Park Avenue and watching the rich people glow in their own minds,
doing all the other things youngsters do and adding in mostly free access to
many of the world's greatest museums...cheap twofers on and off Broadway, and
on.
Charlie Self
"Adam and Eve had many advantages but the principal one was that they escaped
teething." Mark Twain

Just to add my experiences on country living.
20 years ago I found a nice parcel 1 1/2 miles from the main road, situated
at the end of a private road. Only about 10 of the 36 parcels were occupied.
Peace, beauty and security were enjoyed.
Slowly others from the cities moved in to all the remaining parcels. Now
they all install alarm systems, Some have barred their windows, lock their
doors and vehicles. Night-lights dot the evening landscape. Strangers
frequent the area. One newcomer who bought a house just 10 feet from the
road, installed speed bumps because he feared speeding cars. Litter is
frequently tossed from cars entering or leaving. Fencing along the narrow
road edges has appeared. All the drivers you meet on the one lane areas
assumes the 'right-of-way. No trespassing signs prevail. Shots are heard
after dark and the deer are becoming scarce.
Why do they leave the city ?

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