Montana GOP Rep.: "Pay Me In Gold Before Dollars Have No Value"

Jerry O'Neil, six-term GOP state representative in Montana, has asked to receive his salary (which at $10.33 per hour is around $1800 per month) in gold or silver. The long-standing legislator was driven to this decision by his constituents' concerns about the nation's massive debt-load and fears of our country's collapse as "only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value." The long-time Ron Paul supporter, according to Time, cited Article 1, Section 10 of the US Constitution, which says, in part, that "No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts." State administrators have denied his request and added that "a bill could be introduced to accomplish this result." O'Neil, like many other, believes "The Keynesian era of financing government with debt appears to be close to its demise."

It is very likely the bottom will fall out from under the U.S. dollar. Only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value. The Keynesian era of financing government with debt appears to be close to its demise.

If and when that happens, how can we in the Montana Legislature protect our constituents? -- The only answer I can come up with is to honor my oath to the U.S. Constitution and request that your debt to me be paid in gold and silver coins that will still have value when the U.S. dollar is reduced to junk status. I therefore request my legislative pay to be in gold and silver coins that are unadulterated with base metals.

Via Time:

A GOP state representative in Montana who asked to receive his salary in gold and silver coins has been rebuffed by the state’s Office of Legislative Services. Rep. Jerry O’Neil, who hails from the small town of Columbia Falls in the northwest corner of the state, sent a letter earlier this month requesting that his salary from here on in be paid in coins.

However, it was O’Neil’s constituents who led him to consider requesting his salary in coins. O’Neil has never before raised the subject of how he should be paid during his six terms as state representative for Montana’s Flathead Valley. “My constituents, when I went door to door, one of the things they were interested in was the $17 trillion national debt,” he explained to the Huffington Post. “Some of my constituents said we would not have this problem if we had currency backed by gold.”

“How can we in the Montana Legislature protect our constituents?” O’Neil asked in his letter to the Office of Legislative Services.

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Montana state legislators are paid $10.33 per hour while the legislature is in session; O’Neil estimated his salary to be about $1,800 a month, close to the market value of one 2012 American Eagle One Ounce Gold Proof Coin, according to Politico.

Sheryl Olson, the deputy director of the Montana Department of Administration, told the Huffington Post that state employees are paid either by a state warrant of payment (basically, a check) or via direct deposit. To her knowledge, O’Neil is the only government worker to have requested payment in gold coin, she said.

Montana legislative attorney Jaret Coles responded to O’Neil’s letter last week, informing him that neither the U.S. Constitution nor Montana state law requires an agency to pay its debts with gold and silver, according to the Flathead Beacon. Coles explained in his letter that if a member of the legislature wishes to be paid in gold or silver “a bill could be introduced to accomplish this result,” reports Politico.

O’Neil has decided not to follow through on this advice and is looking into other options.

Before you watch these videos, there's a few tidbits of understand I'd like to spell out.

The Class 2 & 3 UFOs are probably spirits of dead people and demonic entities who can't escape the Earthly realm because they are unacceptable and don't qualify to pass onto the higher realms of conscientiousness. They are hell bent on filthying up the place for their demonic master. Class 2 UFOs, glowing orb like manifestations, are the spirits of dead useful idiots and Class 3 UFOs, elongated bacteria shaped, are the dead spirits of Rothschild's, Rockefeller's, et al, whose Earth bound consciousness influences physical useful idiots and political leaders of men for enslavement and personal destruction purposes. Class 1 UFOs are physical anti-gravity drive secret craft already manufactured but hidden from us.

Joshua the Messenger, I only use English words I can understand, figured this out a long time ago and pretty much explained the whole thing. Today many follow a bastardized false Christianity that was re-written about 70AD to deceive people of the true message. I don't like to give names and put labels on something so massive in scope, but I'll refer to it as, the "Creating Conscientiousness of the Universe", is in charge of the place.

The choice we have is, do we want to side with those hell bent on filthying up the place with a New World Order one world government and people who are of a worse kind influenced by Earth bound entities, or do we want to side with a self determination type of people who are not influenced by spirits of dead people and Earth bound demons, and be of a of a better kind of people for beautifying the place. I believe this is the challenge of the day.

There's some missing information in them but are very close to reality.

Perhaps a person needs to have a good primmer to even have the ability of having a cognitive level of understanding. A good start would be to read Mystery Of The Ages by Herbert W Armstrong. Use a King James version of the Bible when reading it.

I really don't expect even a handful of people to discuss the issue intelligently.

Interesting but sophormoric attempt to conflate Ron Paul supporters with UFO believers. And when I say "interesting," I mean it is interesting that someone wants to try. Perhaps I am a conspiracy theorist myself, but I don't think you posted your very uncharacteristic (for this site) UFO bullshit on this thread for no reason.

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Thanks for bringing this up. I've noticed more thread jacking here lately. There have been terribly diluted threads with a couple of posters taking over the majority of posts with off-topic dialogue, with the effect being that people like me lose interest in the discussion as a whole and then don't read long enough to benefit from the many insightful on-topic posts that are made in each thread. I have been banned or censored repeatedly at HuffPo, Common Dreams, Google, and Amazon on issues related to 9-11. While I don't think someone should be censored for bringing up UFOs or Religion in a thread on gold, perhaps -- assuming that site administrators have the time (that is a big assumption) -- Zerohedge could have the off topic post hidden (triggered by posters' negative ratings, or directly by an administrator) and then shown only by the reader clicking a "show post anyway" button. Infowars.com is crawling with this crap, and Alex's response, which I am not happy with, is rather than editing and archiving the article + numerous posts, he simply deletes all the comments after a week or two. I rarely post there nowadays because I don't want my contributions to be erased. Discussions are frequently more insightful than the original article.

How do you explain the plethora of funny humerus one liner comments at the beginning of every thread that contribute nothing to the topic at hand? They add no in depth understanding to the topic and just take up space. At least If I throw you a curve ball and you don't want to engage, maybe your funny bone will get bruised and you will focus on the topic at hand and contribute something of value, or go away.

They have been stored for years, the trick is that now there is the capability to organize and act on all of that data. In socal they are taking it to a new level as they are implementing crowd scanning technology

A good book to not buy is The Watchers: The Rise of America's Surveillance State, which provides a history of the various electronic information collection and processing. In the early days all electronic data could be collected and stored but not processed quickly or efficiently. Then, through another massive program, one in series of many, the NSA found way to process all the data in real time without bringind down their computer systems. All metadata is collected and all communications are intercepted and screened. Not sure if every single bit or bite or an attachment is also copied and kept, but one major factor is that there is a record of every email, phone call, tweet, fax, blog post (you can find your blog posts via google by querrying your screen name) bitcoin transaction, electronic funds transfer, any electronic banking transaction and so on. This is so that should you become a problem it will take only few seconds to call up complete dossier for you and any positive parts will be left out, any "negative" parts left in, and presto the feds will have national security letter for you.

Next time you go to see your doctor ask them for a copy of their medical records retention and access agreement. On mine I found an intereting little section, Item 16 which said as a matter of national security they will provide the feds access to my medical records and may not disclose to me that they have done so. This was enacted about 2003 if I recall correctly. The feds have access to everything as everything is related to national security.

ACP, the HuffPo comment sections are sadly a refelection of the majority. The folks who comment there are a reflection of the electorate that gave O his second term.

The HuffPo crowd are by and large a vile and pathetic lot who live in a dream world of lattes, green energy and iphones. They are however, what America has become so get used to it because it will only get worse. Just wait for Cap and Trade, a general amenesty and the 2014 announcment of Michelle as America's first female and second African American President.

I agree, and the Drudge Report comments that follow many of his links are the mirror image -- equally devoid of intelligence and independent thought. The Drudge Report crowd are by and large a vile and pathetic lot who live in a dream world of Chinese made cowboy hats, GM made Hummers and iphones. They are however, what America has become so get used to it because it will only get worse. Just wait for increased Drug Wars (hard to imagine, but possible), a general amnesty of those who question the terrorist alert levels, and the 2014 announcement of Jeb Bush as America's first Hispanic-married and third Bush President.

LTER - true enough. I don't know whether the prevailing ignorance is worse now than in the past or if the web simply provides a megaphone to those who never had been heard in the past. Either way, it is damn depressing.

A little of both, I think. Mostly, it is tribalism. Most humans associate with a team. Very intelligent people dress in colors to go to a game, and they are very happy if the team wins even when it was clearly because of a bad call by the Ref. They want to be on the winning team, even when it is utterly meaningless to their lives. By the same token, once someone associates with a political team, they tend to care little about what the team actually does so long as the team leaders say the right things. The sociopaths who tend to leadership roles -- be they elected or dictator or oligarch -- figured that out a LONG time ago.

DALLAS (AP) - George P. Bush, a nephew of former President George W. Bush and son of one-time Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, has made a campaign filing in Texas that is required of candidates planning to run for state office, an official said Thursday night. The younger Bush, a Fort Worth resident, filed a campaign treasurer appointment Wednesday, a requirement for someone to become a candidate under campaign finance law, Tim Sorrells, general counsel for the Texas Ethics Commission, told The Associated Press. Sorrells said the report does not specify what office Bush might seek, if any, and he had no other details on the filing, which wasn't available online. Bush did not immediately reply to an email seeking comment, and no phone listing for him could be found. The 36-year-old said in September his goal was to run for office and acknowledged that he had his eyes on several statewide offices. Raised in Florida, Bush decided to settle in Texas, home to his uncle and his grandfather, former President George H.W. Bush. He runs a consulting firm and has been active in Republican Party outreach to college students. He's also the co-founder of Hispanic Republicans of Texas, a group that seeks to elect Hispanic candidates. Ana Navarro, who was the national Hispanic co-chairwoman for John McCain when he ran for president in 2008, tweeted her enthusiasm Thursday. "Wrote check for my friend, (at)georgepbush newly formed exploratory committee for office in TX. Young, pragmatic, Hispanic, just what GOP needs," Navarro's tweet read. George W. Bush and son of one-time Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, has made a campaign filing in Texas that is required of candidates planning to run for state office, an official said Thursday night. The younger Bush, a Fort Worth resident, filed a campaign treasurer appointment Wednesday, a requirement for someone to become a candidate under campaign finance law, Tim Sorrells, general counsel for the Texas Ethics Commission, told The Associated Press. Sorrells said the report does not specify what office Bush might seek, if any, and he had no other details on the filing, which wasn't available online. Bush did not immediately reply to an email seeking comment, and no phone listing for him could be found. The 36-year-old said in September his goal was to run for office and acknowledged that he had his eyes on several statewide offices. Raised in Florida, Bush decided to settle in Texas, home to his uncle and his grandfather, former President George H.W. Bush. He runs a consulting firm and has been active in Republican Party outreach to college students. He's also the co-founder of Hispanic Republicans of Texas, a group that seeks to elect Hispanic candidates. Ana Navarro, who was the national Hispanic co-chairwoman for John McCain when he ran for president in 2008, tweeted her enthusiasm Thursday. "Wrote check for my friend, (at)georgepbush newly formed exploratory committee for office in TX. Young, pragmatic, Hispanic, just what GOP needs," Navarro's tweet read.

If I didn't know any better I'd guess they're all Bilderbergers, related through their common Annanuuki Reptoid heritage, nurtured by the UFO beings who're helping the military with the genetic mofifications at Dulce and other huge military underground bases where the planes dropping the Chemtrails (which are really pigeon innards and rat penises) which when excited by the HAARP beams make the 3D holographic illusions of the imaginary character Ron Paul who gets reported as real by both Drudge and HuffPo

"It's not the spiraling debt, it's all these crazy gold bugs undermining the value of the dollar"

I'll actually buy that. What they fail to understand is, if the dollar had any real value, "goldbugs" couldn't undermine it. But they really don't have to worry. They have Gresham's Law on their side......right?

However, if anyone else accepts this private credit and uses it to purchase goods and services, the user voluntarily incurs the obligation requiring him to make a return of income whereby a portion of the income is collected by the IRS and delivered to the Federal Reserve banksters. Actually the federal income tax imparts two separate obligations: the obligation to file a return and the obligation to abide by the Internal Revenue Code. The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation, which according to 'Bouvier's Law Dictionary' (1914 ed.), is "a term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own." This is distinguished from a recusable obligation which, according to Bouvier, arises from a voluntary act by which one incurs the obligation imposed by the operation of law. The voluntary use of private credit is the condition precedent which imposes the irrecusable obligation to file a tax return. If private credit is not used or rejected, then the operation of law which imposes the irrecusable obligation lies dormant and cannot apply.

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I will accept payment in dollars, euros, yen, francs, etc. so long as there's a market to convert currency. You can have dollars direct deposited into a gold account, for example.

I want to spend fiat. I have to convert one way or the other.

I can see the case for asking to be paid in gold, for example 2 ounces per month. However, unless you work for a gold mine, (and assuming your employer agreed) they will pay you in fiat and adjust the payment based on the gold price at that time.

Instead of asking to be paid in gold, he ought to work on abolishing taxes on gold transactions.

Ragnard, this is where we lose. By the time we convert, we've lost. What would work is fixing your comp for the next 5 years in gold. Then when your buddies are taking their checks to buy 10 grams of gold, you'll be getting paid in 1 oz coins.

Of course, you can (and should be) doing this already in your portfolio with futures or some other financial instrument.

Good satirical video - you can see an interview of her on the channel. She seemed very reluctant to say anything negative about welfare recipients outright, but stated, "Who would want to work in America? This is what the taxpayers are paying for."

This is more a political statement than a need. He can take his fiat money and walk down to his local coin shop and get the gold, but this way he draws attention to the issue. Regardless, I say good for him.

Whether he knows it or not, it's actually bigger than that. "Income tax" is really a usage fee of private credit which we know as Federal Reserve Notes. You are opted in and volunteered to pay tax when you accept FRNs not because you earned a certain amount but because you used them. This is how it can be Constitutional because you volunteered to use private credit. If you never accept private credit then you don't owe their private fees. Being paid in gold or silver, minted by the US Mint and being PUBLIC CREDIT, would exempt you from paying Fed Res PRIVATE CREDIT fees. So, good luck with that.

"Legal tender for all debts public or private" takes on a new meaning when you understand US Mint coins and US dollars are public credit and FRN are private credit.

You are correct. Nothing is said about the pork barrel spending each of these Congress people utilize. In other words, the actions of utilizing and encouraging pork spending creates a dependency of States on the Federal Government.

As for TN Jed, nothing is exempt from Federal Reserve fees and taxation except those transactions that are kept strictly private and unknown to the FRB. For example, even if this Congressman was paid in gold, he would then have to convert it back to dollars for daily use of common goods such as food, bills, etc. Until you can conduct your daily life without having to convert to dollars, you will always be subjected to the FRB whether public or private. Yes, even public because FRN has either an inflationary or deflationary effect on currency which includes minted coins that are used public.

I had the rare opportunity to do a transaction without such fees. I had a local auto shop (friend of mine) do my front brakes and oil change in exchange for me making him a bait container for catfishing. But even in this example, we were still effected as I utilized US dollars to acquire the supplies to make the bait container and my friend had to utilize dollars for the oil and brake pads.

Things aren't always so clear and easy. The Federal Reserve has its tentacles so deep that even in a barter situation, they are there.

You are correct that use of private credit may be inevitable anyway. However, you should be able to direct your bank to open your account such that all monies deposited are credited as "non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes" or public credit. This makes the FR remove that amount from the Federal debt and credit it to the Public debt ledger. It would actually lower the Federal debt level. I think we both agree they don't want this to happen as contraction is death for them.

I'm not pretending this is a viable out, but it is/was the only way income tax can be Constitutional and yet a voluntary self-assessment at the same time.

We are, it's called a constitutional convention, and I shall give you notice as to exactly when it will occur. You will have 3 days to prepair and arrive in the capital once informed. And, oh yea, this message will destruct in 5 minutes.

I met Jerry at a political gathering in Kalispell before the election. He won't remember me. I live in a different district. I saw the newspaper article a while back when his request was made public. Made me smile :)

When I was younger I used to go to the library and pull down books on the Constituion just so I could read the incredible twists and turns the authors would take when they got to the part about explaining Article 1 Section 10. It was a tribute the sophistry of the lawyer/politician class.

Well he's not exactly cleaning up on his $1800 a month slary doing the People's work at the Statehouse. Maybe he gcets mileage and per diem.

Heck, I bet this guy has to - get this - have a real job outside his legislative duties, as God intended. The problem with schemes like this, they are likely to say OK, pal here ya go. And then turn right around and demand gold in return for his property tax payments, business license, speeding tickets, etc. In fact, in the dim vestiges of my history reading, it seems to me the Fed used to demand payment "in specie" as it was then known, for land in particular, during the Homestead Act days, when Greenbacks were pretty "popular" going the other way. Jefferson had the tables turned on his notes payable, and helped him die broke, too..

Hehehehe...we're(the non sheeples) all buying gold and silver out here.

I remember when I was vacationing out here in Montana with my family. I was a kid of 9 in 1957. I was fascinated that US Silver Dollars were still quite common in circulation. I collected coins as a kid like many of my age did. We rarely ever saw a silver dollar in a cash register "back east" where I lived at the time.

Montana banks were still paying out silver dollars at face long after the arbs were falling all over themselves back east to get them for a quick flip to the collectors, the supply dried up, and silver certs were redeemed in silver shot. They have a long and storied history with mining, and are a tough people. Or were, like many places the locals get extirpated out of their habitat, so to speak. Ask the Indians. Hm.

The "tough people" aren't all gone yet. I'm a recent Montana resident--10 years.

It's fascinating to listen to old timers who are 3rd, 4th, 5th generation Montanans....especially those who grew up on farms and ranches on the East side of MT where the winters are just incredibly harsh. Or mining areas like Butte. Butte has not only harsh winters at ~6000ft but the people are of that old tough mining stock. A fellow I know who played HS football said going to Butte to play in the winter was like going to war in Siberia LOL. Lots of tough folks still around. I admire them. Darwinism took care of most of the candy-ass pussies out here. However...

Montana has been invaded by too many candy-asses from other places, notably Kalifornia. They might be welcome if they would leave all their socialist laws, rules, and regulations wherever they came from....but they don't. So fuck em.

If you want to experience an Arctic-type winter, travel no farther than the Hi-Line. Cut Bank to Plentywood. -60F causes the snot to freeze in your nose in seconds.

Four women are driving across the country together, each one from a different state: Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, and California. Shortly after the trip begins, the woman from Idaho pulls potatoes from her bag and throws them out the window. "What are you doing?" asks the Nebraskan. "We have so many of these things in Idaho, I'm sick of looking at them." A moment later, the gal from Nebraska pulls ears of corn from her bag and tosses them from the window. "What are you doing?" asks the gal from Montana. "We have so many of these things in Nebraska, I'm sick of looking at them." Inspired, the Montana opens the door and kicks the Californian out.

Keiser Report 371 has a guest on that says silver is about to triple with the Chinese population coming into the market. I agree. The banksters can only manipulate the market for so long and once they lose control via paper manipulation up up and away for Gold and Silver. JP Morgan and Blythe Masters about to run into trouble with their naked shorts.

Montana legislative attorney Jaret Coles responded to O’Neil’s letter last week, informing him that neither the U.S. Constitution nor Montana state law requires an agency to pay its debts with gold and silver, according to the Flathead Beacon.

I like how he quotes the part of the Constitution where it states all debts will be paid in gold and silver and then this attorney makes a statement that completely contradicts it. I guess since she said so that must make it so.

They must have missed ZH's coverage of bitcoin now on the radar of central banks. And Wordpress is now the first major merchant to embrace the open source currency as the first way to pay electronically without trusting any third party, including any bank or government (although Wordpress has chosen to use third party Bitpay, it did not have to do this).

It'd be great to see some ZH turnout concerning this issue and that of state secession/rights on the Billings Gazette website. People in this part of the country are fearful of being labeled a 'radical' (in light of semi-recent militia headliners) and, being from a rural area, are also easily entranced by the MSM. Bad combination. We are a pretty logical bunch though, and if there were a helping hand concerning the values we deep down know is true but are led astray from the 'majority', it would be at the least a positive effect.

I wonder why Romney was stupid enough to allow his thugs to unnecessarily strip duly elected Maine delegates of their credentials at the Republican National Convention and otherwise run the Convention like banana reprublic dictators. Surprise, surprise, disgruntled grass roots Republicans left it up to billionaires to float Romney and the ground game was lost.

Principled people vote FOR what they want. The Republicans alienated everyone this election and expected the "lesser of two evils" strategy to work. Surprise, surprise; alienating voters loses votes stupid!