Certainly few if any hardline Mormons are going to be convinced in the space of the month we have remaining to change their minds about the marriage amendments being posed. But I’m not sure most Mormons are hardline Mormons.

The Mormon Church’s involvement in attempts to pass these amendments should not be ignored. But, there are ways to show that the efforts by the Mormon Church are problematic while being sensitive to the fact that this group has been and continues to be the subject of fear, disdain, and outright hatred.

]]>By: Legolashttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/09/29/3165/comment-page-1#comment-18269
Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:13:54 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3165#comment-18269I don’t think there’s a problem, per se, with reporting on what the Mormon Church is doing in relation to the amendment, so long as the coverage of the Mormon Church’s involvement is proportionate and fair-minded. In my original comment I took no issue with the reporting, but with the commentary at the end, which was unclear in its motive.

If the purpose of these comments are to offer genuine, helpful advice to those you disagree with, this seems like a curious thing in this context. Is this site really in the business of offering Yes on Prop 8 supporters advice on improving strategy so that they might have an improved chance to win in November? I hope not.

If the purpose is to critique the overarching involvement of one “special interest” group in pushing a law’s adoption, it would be wise to maintain that clear message in relevant posts. Comments left open to interpretation as concern trolling or Mormon-baiting do not help the “no on marriage amendments” cause to build coalitions across faith groups or sway undecided voters, IMO.

]]>By: cdhttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/09/29/3165/comment-page-1#comment-18259
Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:42:58 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3165#comment-18259“Is this site really going to go down the Mormon-baiting road? You’d think we as gays, having been subject to gay-baiting for so long, would know better. The end of this post appears to creep up to the very edge of the line, if not over it.”

There just isn’t a compromise possible between the objectives of hardline Mormons and gays who wish to live free and worthy lives married to each other in California. At bottom there is an objective and complete incompatibility of desires between the two groups.

It’s regrettable but it’s real. I feel that attitude has been taken on this website and not been exceeded.

His assessment about gay marriage is not in a legal sense but in a moral sense. That is: gay marriage is harmful to society much like smoking.

And then he unashamedly uses “we are the victims” because they will have to endure hate-filled labels like: homophobe or bigot.

Typical. I would swear they use political tactics from Karl Rove. Hmmm…maybe it’s the other way around. Karl learned his skills in high school in Salt Lake City. (Read about his antics on the Olympus High School debate team.)

But I don’t think that it is particularly wise of them to tie their identity so closely with that of Proposition 8.

A Catholic Marriage Amendment or a Lutheran Marriage Amendment or a Southern Baptist Marriage Amendment would also be unwise. Tying any amendment to one’s own denomination is tricky at best.

But considering the attitudes of some evangelical Christians about Mormonism (“it’s a cult”) and considering that evangelicals are the amendment’s natural target, it seems particularly unwise of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to be visibly seen as the motivating force behind this effort.

Yet the Mormon Church has taken it upon themselves to adopt, fund, organize, and nearly control this amendment. And if they’re going to do it, I’m going to report on it.

]]>By: Legolashttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/09/29/3165/comment-page-1#comment-18186
Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:31:38 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3165#comment-18186Is this site really going to go down the Mormon-baiting road? You’d think we as gays, having been subject to gay-baiting for so long, would know better. The end of this post appears to creep up to the very edge of the line, if not over it.
]]>By: Mark Chttp://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/09/29/3165/comment-page-1#comment-18185
Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:27:17 +0000http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=3165#comment-18185When I was a student at BYU years ago, often I felt shamed when all-things-gay were discussed in my sociology courses. While some students and instructors may have been sympathetic with gay folks, it was not the norm. I felt like I was at a Hitler Youth Rally but instead of hating Jews, they were gay haters.

At the advice of a kind, non-Mormon counselor there, I left BYU early and graduated from another, non-church-owned school. It’s been 20 years and I still am traumatized by my experience there.

Needless to say, it was religious ferver such as what’s driving their participation in Prop 8 that drove students to be so anti-gay and intolerant. Guess some things never change at BYU.