Hey.. you HAVE been here !! <br><br>that description is "spot on !!"<br><br>My solution.... make ethanol from kudzu !! grows at light speed, no cultivation needed.... renewable... we'd be selling fuel to the Saudis !! <br><br>David (OFI)

but our usage is just a part of it and I'm not sure it's the major part. Everything we purchase has to be delivered by a petroleum powered truck or train or plane. All the food, cloths, computers, cars, everything cost more as gas goes higher. We need to cut back on all our purchased to save money and cut back on fuel usage. Of course if we do that we mess up other things in our economy. <br><br>One cant make dent in some part of our lives without making a bulge somewhere else. <br><br>dave<br><br><br><br>

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another reason to cut out gas in cars consumption - reduce the price of gas, reduce the price of diesel, reduce delivery costs, reduce goods cost.... ripple effect.<br><br>But I doubt most will sacrifice anything but their $ and then bitch. I'm driving 55-60 from now on. <br><br>Won't save the US economy but might save mine !! <br><br>Hey you have a nice trip MrB and be safe.<br><br>David (OFI)

That's what I'm doing. I'm driving a V8 2008 Ford Mustang that is specced at 23 mpg on the hwy. I am getting 30 partly because I am driving 60 mph. I have a cold air intake that might be contributing also. But I think the real thing is the cruising speed. I am selling my home that is about 2 hours from my new home. I have experimented with the difference in mpg driving faster. I get about 25 or 26 if I drive 70-75 mph. <br><br>

_________________________Well, until they make it right, I hope they never sleep at night. They better make some changes and do it soon. -Things Goin' On/Lynyrd Skynyrd

<br>I read in NYT recently that if Americans were to eat about 20% less red mean - generally grain-fed beef - this alone would save as much energy as replacing ALL US cars with efficient Prius or Golf Diesel. Figure that one!<br>Now, granted, these savings wouldn't be showing up as directly on the monthly credit card bill, but in real terms, it would appear to be a great deal more achievable ..... and healthy as well!<br><br><br><br>

Forget that Eckhard... I'll drive slower ... but I'm not giving up my hamburger !!! <br><br>That IS a thought... there are lots of things we can do... not one will make a big change alone, but together they could have huge effect. I'm van pooling and now driving slower.<br>... and maybe eat less beef.<br><br>What about chicken ?? seriously... do they consume less resources to make a lb of meat? ...or in your case a kg of meat ! <br><br>David (OFI)

<br><br>[color:blue]What about chicken ?? seriously... do they consume less resources to make a lb of meat?</font color=blue><br><br>Absolutely!<br>Grain-fed beef uses five times as much feed (per pound of meat) as chicken, and about three times as much as pork.<br>Makes a huge difference in energy costs, since obviously, this grain needs to be tended and harvested, etc.<br>Moreover, since so much beef these days comes from South America, one must add the cost of those raped forests.<br><br>Nope, quite seriously, those T-Bone steaks or Double Whoppers are huge energy burners. <br>McDonald's as attack on the environment.<br><br><br><br><br><br>

WOW thanks for the info... 5 X that' a bunch.<br>I figured it had to be higher becasue chickens grow so much faster... but even I'm surprised at 5 X.<br><br>we eat lots of chicken and some pork, and 2-3 times a week beef. ...usually steak , occassionally hamburger as in meat loaf, etc.<br><br>David (OFI)

any numbers on sheep?<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.

_________________________I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.

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