America is no exception. Many of the founders were Freemasons who were already deluded into joining a Jewish cult while attempting to get away from things Jewish at the same time. The carrot of freedom swung before their eyes and after they died gradualism took its course. The secret societies of old surfaced again to set things up to the liking of the Jews but accompanied by slogans of freedom and never again.

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I have noticed that you, a Canadian, consistently smear America's Founding Fathers with the charge of Jewish Freemasonry. I have corrected you on this more than once yet you persist. Some Founding Fathers were masons but Freemasonry in America till 1813 was NOT the antiChristian Cabalistic Freemasonry of Europe. It was not till 1813 that American Freemasonry changed and steadily morphed into something entirely different from the pre-1813 Freemasonry of America.

I have noticed that you, a Canadian, consistently smear America's Founding Fathers with the charge of Jewish Freemasonry. I have corrected you on this more than once yet you persist. Some Founding Fathers were masons but Freemasonry in America till 1813 was NOT the antiChristian Cabalistic Freemasonry of Europe. It was not till 1813 that American Freemasonry changed and steadily morphed into something entirely different from the pre-1813 Freemasonry of America.

Could you explain the difference between the Freemasons of 1776 and the Freemasons of 1813?

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The 12 apostles and the early Christians were all Jews - where do you think Christianity came from?

Gasp! Good Lord no. The apostles were fishermen from Galilee, they were Galileans and not Judeans. The Judeans are the ones who are translated as having been Jews. Jews held to the Traditions of the Elders, a Talmudic/Cabala connected faith which survived from the Pharisees to this day. Jews and Galileans were at odds with one another. Only Judas was a Jew and he was the betrayer. This may symbolize that Jewish converts will betray Christians.

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I have noticed that you, a Canadian, consistently smear America's Founding Fathers with the charge of Jewish Freemasonry. I have corrected you on this more than once yet you persist. Some Founding Fathers were masons but Freemasonry in America till 1813 was NOT the antiChristian Cabalistic Freemasonry of Europe. It was not till 1813 that American Freemasonry changed and steadily morphed into something entirely different from the pre-1813 Freemasonry of America.

It is not a smear, just a fact. Freemasonry has always been Jewish even before it got known as Freemasonry. Naturally, the first non-Jewish Masons were misled.

The Roman Emperors and later Monarchy Kings purposefully imported them into their countries at times, allowed them to build synagogues, to help implement the new religion (as well as banking/taxation system). Remember we were National Polytheists before Christianity.

Palestine's Jewry ran in all directions, one of those directions being Europe (unfortunately for us), like scared rabbits after the Roman capture of Palestine and destruction of Jerusalem, i.e. centuries before the first Christian emperor of Rome (Constantine the Great) came to power. Very telling that the name of Constantine is not even mentioned on Wikipedia's page about Jewish diaspora (Jewish diaspora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

Where did you hear Hitler talking about a new religion for Germans? I've heard nothing of that kind in these speeches. You must keep in mind that Hitler regarded Jewry as a race. So when Hitler talked about Jews, he was not talking about a religious topic, but about racial, economic and political topics.

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Hitler is largely correct in what he's saying but his whole problem (aside from autocracy and attacking other countries) was not listening to Alfred Rosenberg and implementing a spiritual revolution in Germany.

I fail to see how "positive christianity", paganism or a spiritual revolution in Germany could have saved the Third Reich from military annihilation by the Judeocracies of Europe, America and Asia.

Yeah, autocracy is so bad. Democracies, by essence full of corrupt puppets acting for the best interests of Jewry, are so superior to the Aryan millennial leadership with one chief of upper extraction at the top. Crushing other regimes under bombs and military might doesn't demonstrate a ruling system's political superiority. It can maybe demonstrate that ruling system's military superiority, but not any moral or political superiority. It only gives the opportunity to the victors to make people believe in their own moral and political superiority, though indoctrination and distorted history. And there was not even any glory for the American, British and Soviet juggernauts in crushing the tiny Third Reich.

And you know that Hitler didn't "attack other countries" when that was avoidable. The side guilty of a war is not the one shooting the first bullet. The guilty side is the one making that war inevitable. And the guilt of the Soviet-Allied-Polish side is overwhelming in this respect, whatever the cartoonish narrative of the victors claim about that.

I'm not interested in Dr Pierce as a guru. I'm only interested in Dr Pierce as a great analyst and popularizer of political, racial and historical matters.

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But I find it too focused on race strictly. It's called Britain, France, Germany, etc ... that's where we all come from, and like the Jews/Hebrews/Israelis/Judeans, we ought to have a national spirituality unique to each country (at least a new age concept that respects the beauty of the evolution of the White race and the languages (nationalities) of Europe - allows White British descendents, White French descendents, White German descendents etc to be themselves explicitly and thrive).

Do we really need other religious wars caused by different religions? I don't think so. The last thing we need is fratricidal wars for one religious detail or another. Do we need a religion at all anyway?

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« Meanwhile, the war against the Soviet Union has allowed us to dispose of new territories for the final solution. Consequently, the Führer has decided to displace the Jews not towards Madagascar but towards the East. Thus, there is no longer any need to consider Madagascar for the final solution. »

- Franz Rademacher, Feb. 10th 1942, Nuremberg Doc. NG-3933

« Revisionists are just the messengers, the stupid impossibility of the 'Holocaust' story line is the message.»

{Jewish takeover of Russia and murder of the Romanovs was their revenge for centuries of pogroms. Pogroms were, of course, completely justified because Jews are destructive parasites that have undermined every society they have ever lived in, from Pharaoh’s Egypt millennia ago to the United States today.}

In 1922. a shrewd, mercurial Georgian Dzugashvili-Stalin {who did not take part in the October revolution} rose to power but had to share it with Apfelbaum and Rosenfeld. Stalin gradually realized that Jews represented a danger to everyone, including himself. What accelerated Stalin’s understanding of the Jewish problem was Hitler’s Germany. Listening to Hitler and looking around at all these Jews surrounding him, Stalin figured out what he had to do—get rid of Jews ASAP!

I must execute Jewish miscreants!

To his eternal credit, Stalin instituted purges of 1937-38 in order to eliminate Jews. Apfelbaum, Rosenfeld, Yagoda {Jewish head of secret police responsible for starvation of millions during the Holomodor} and many other Jews, crypto-Jews and token goyim were executed. Bronstein/Trotsky, who was living in exile in Mexico at the time, was hit in the head with an ice pick and sadly, succumbed to the injury.

Ice pick that killed Bronstein

Stalin, who was paranoid by nature, was {rightfully} obsessed with Jewish conspiracy. In 1952-53 he put 10 or so Jewish doctors on trial for an attempt to murder Russian politicians. You can read about the so-called doctor’s plot here.

Had Stalin not purged wicked Jews, and had they instead murdered him, the entire USSR (with all their might and nuclear warheads) would have ended up in the hands of Jewry. Think about that scenario for a moment.

Since he got rid of perfidious Jews, these pathological Russophobes, Stalin changed his tune on Russian nationalism too. When Hitler attacked in 1941, Stalin realized that the only way to defeat German war machine was to appeal to Russian nationalism, because oppressed minorities (Lithuanians, Latvians, Bandera’s Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars) sided with the Germans.

That’s why Stalin promoted the defense of the Motherland and other things that resonated with Russians. Russians were not going to fight to save communism, but to defend Mother Russia.

By the way, Lithuanians, Poles and Latvians were happily murdering Eastern European Jewry to the delight of all warring factions!

What about the other communist ‘revolutions’? Were they Jewish in origin?

Of course! The leader of the 1919 Hungarian Soviet Republic was a Jew named Béla Kun. Jews Karl Radek, Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg fomented revolutions in Germany.

Jewish communism/bolshevism is an egalitarian system that promotes ‘economic equality’. Jewish-run United States promotes egalitarian values of ‘racial equality’, ‘religious equality’ and ‘homosexual equality’.

Diabolical Jews are using ‘equality’ as a tool to destroy the Aryan race.

"Christ," he continued with a raised voice, "was never other than perfectly straightforward and frank. God, not to feel the fact that their two fundamentally different worlds were opposed to one another!

In Palestine after the Babylonian captivity there was a great lower stratum of non-Jews ruled over by Jewish moneylenders, powerful through their usury. One can read that in the Book of Nehemiah. [45] Sombart says that it leaves absolutely nothing to be desired in the way of clarity. [46] The outstanding point is that the real population, composed of oppressed peasants, was of an entirely different race than the Hebrews. Gradually the Jews forced their religion on them. Christ himself growled about that: 'Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye encompass sea and land to make one proselyte ....' [47] The New Testament expressly states: 'Jesus departed from Galilee and came into the coasts of Judaea.' [48] To the Jews, Galilee was the land of the Gentiles, whose population 'sat in darkness,' as they impudently imagined. [49] They said: 'Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?' and 'Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.'

[50] The Hebrews were so firmly convinced of the non-Jewish ancestry of Christ that they counted him among the especially hated Samaritans.

"Bah, Goethe!" he interrupted contemptuously.

"Not even the saintly Thomas Aquinas is able to reach these people. The great Father of the Church has described in his writings our relationship with the Jews in terms of a voyage on a ship.

The Jews, embarked in the same vessel with the Christians, play a characteristic role: while the Christians are occupied with sailing the ship, the Jews plunder the storeroom and bore holes in the hull.

As we see below, the late Reichskanzler, inline with the vastly more traditional [pre-War] Roman Rite in Bavaria, has little use for St. Paul:

"It certainly hits the nail on the head," he rejoined. "It may be a long time yet before Christianity recovers from Paul. Oh, what gullible souls we are! A Jew murders hundreds of Christians; suddenly he notices that the rest only become even more zealous; the well-known light dawns on him; he pretends to be converted, throws himself into the great pose, and behold: even though he deviates in nearly all his doctrines from the other apostles, we listen devoutly to his sermons. The simple teachings of the Master, which the most childlike mind might comprehend, we must have 'explained' to us by a Hebrew."

From Waaay Out West,

~HLM

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I thought you as an atheist would appreciate his work. He objectively describes how that faith, which dominates all the Americas, Europe, and Russia, came into being. Listen to that 10 minute segment by Blackhurst then.

That faith was Psychology 101 for the past 2000 years.

Hitler would scream about God in his speeches. He was neither here nor there on the religious issue (he claimed to support Christianity, but allowed Himmler to promote paganism, Rosenberg to expound on philosophy, etc.)... and at the end of the day, he was basically creating a religion revolving around himself and Germany's nationalism. Churchill would babble about God too.

Basically, no Western leader has used the word God in a speech since.

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I fail to see how "positive christianity", paganism or a spiritual revolution in Germany could have saved the Third Reich from military annihilation by the Judeocracies of Europe, America and Asia.

Because had people had a sane psychology/religious perspective then, they wouldn't have warred.

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Do we need a religion at all anyway?

I want what the Jews have.

They're just a linguistic nationality, no different than Germans, Frenchmen, etc., but in contrast, they have a silly folklore/religion which cements them as a people and nation.

I want that for Brits, Frenchmen, Germans, etc., as well as every other people on this earth, except without a ridiculousness associated with their unique mythology aka they don't take the myths literally. We have our respective histories, science, philosophy, and psychology as reality. Myths are good for education and fun - that's all.

We have been forced to follow a war-loving derivation of the Jewish nationality's folklore for the past 2000 years.

So, no I'm not advocating for a new mythology. I'm advocating for ethnic awareness through our people studying their horrible histories, science and philosophy (and keeping their lineage White as the "symbol" of our people) in our national churches i.e. I want the "Lutheran church" renamed the "German church" for Germans to learn their history, philosophy and science in; I want the "Anglican Church" (and Presbyterian) renamed the "British church" for British people to do the same in. This would be the new religious ethnic group concept. That way, we'll be just like the Hebrews/Jews/Israelis/Judeans in their synagogues.

It will take years for that to come about. In the meantime, I may as well join the Anglicans for what little British tribalism may be present there and the Masons for fraternal business networking. You should do the same so you can start helping pay more bills around here. Get it, got it, good lol.

Could you explain the difference between the Freemasons of 1776 and the Freemasons of 1813?

The Crown viewed the Founding Fathers and colonial patriots as criminals ,traitors, terrorists, men who needed to be captured, tried, and then hung, drawn and quartered. These men obviously needed to keep their identities hidden, and to meet privately to discuss their plans. They also needed to have signals to identify the new face with important information. That is what freemasonry was in America before 1813. These men were Christian and carried their Christian beliefs with them wherever they went.

Freemasonry on the American Continent had separated into "modern" and "ancient" freemasonry. Ancient freemasonry was found in Canada. In 1813 the two, modern and ancient were combined. Actually "Ancient" freemasonry absorbed all of Freemasonry and pushed out the remains of "modern" freemasonry in America. As a result paganization of American Freemasonry began, complete with the weird rituals, blood oaths, special rites. None of that existed in American Freemasonry prior to 1813. Many Christians were offended by this and left the organization in droves. (all of this is found in Wikipedia). The anti-mason movement developed and antiChristians
Manly Hall and Albert Pike moved in to re-write the history of American Freemasonry claiming it was pagan from the beginning.

From
Freemasonry and the Christian ChurchChristianity and the Craft

Leading Masonic authorities in the 18th and 19th centuries held a distinctively Christian interpretation of Freemasonry. Such leaders as Rev. James Anderson, William J. Hughan, William Hutchinson, Rev. George Oliver, and others had a Christian view of their Craft.(2) Hutchinson, in particular, noted that Jesus Christ was the example for the Master Mason. He stated, "The Master Mason represents a man under the Christian doctrine saved from the grave of iniquity and raised to the faith of salvation. As the great testimonial that we are risen from the state of corruption, we bear the emblem of the Holy Trinity as the insignia of our vows and of the origin of the Master's order."(3)

The Anti-Masonic Movement

The decade between 1826 and 1836 represented troublesome years for the Masonic Order. After several incidents that cast a negative light on Freemasonry,(4) a growing anti-Masonic sentiment began to emerge. As a result, there was a mass exodus of Christians from the Lodge, thereby creating a vacuum to be filled by those who held a non-Christian view of Masonry. During this time Albert Pike seized the opportunity to spread and entrench his pagan interpretation of the Craft. Pike and others began to reinterpret the symbols of the Craft.

The paganization of the Lodge took place over several decades, but it did not reach public awareness until the latter part of the 19th century. Even so, it was not until the 1920s, when a large number of books began appearing in print that claimed pagan origins for the Craft, that these efforts became widely known.Masonic Universalism

The anti-Masonic movement dealt Freemasonry a severe blow. However, the exodus of large numbers of Christians proved to be a stabilizing factor(5) for the non-Christian forces of the Craft. Once the Christian majority had left the Craft, Pike was then able to redesign it in a way that would support his pagan views.

It is interesting to note that during the very time that Pike was heavily involved in his paganizing process, the Craft was experiencing a renewed growth in membership from Christians. The majority of these new Christian members represented church leadership and accepted the Christian interpretation of Hutchinson, Oliver, Hughan, and others. Their influence, however, wasn't enough to offset the growing paganization of the Lodge.
Manly P. Hall, a 33rd degree Mason, was one of the early authors who claimed a pagan origin for Freemasonry. In his book entitled The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, he says that Freemasonry is not a material thing: it is a universal expression of the Divine Wisdom. "The Masonic order is not a mere social organization, but is composed of all those who have banded themselves together to learn and apply the principles of mysticism and the occult rites."(6) Hall (and a host of other writers including Pike) created a pagan history for Freemasonry that would later take root and grow to become the accepted understanding of Masonic origins. As this new interpretation took ....F