The snowballing global surveillance scandal has left the world leaders with no choice other than express discontent with NSA programs, despite the fact their own intelligence agencies are involved, former MI-5 whistleblower Annie Machon told RT.

The latest Snowden revelation uncovered that the UK’s
intelligence agency GCHQ was doing whatever it could to prevent the media from igniting a
“damaging public debate” and the subsequent possibility of
a legal threat over its own surveillance practices and
cooperation with the NSA.

Annie Machon told RT that UK’s system of "self-censorship"
when reporting on sensitive defense topics is somewhat unique in
most Western democratic countries.

RT:GCHQ has privately admitted that it's been pushing
the bounds of legality. Is there any realistic chance of legal
action against the agency?

Annie Machon: Well, we hope so in the UK. I have to say
that the debate around the Edward Snowden’s disclosures which
have global impact, have been sort of muffled a little bit in the
UK, because we have this self-censorship for the media called the
D-notice committee, which has been issued against
the media. So they are frightened to report on what is going on.

RT:So let me get this straight: It’s not being
reported as fully as it should be, you think, in the UK, this
huge story?

AM: Well, the Guardian is certainly fighting forwards on
this issue, there is no doubt about that. But the rest of the
media tends to [report] on the side of the government and on the
side of MI5’s Andrew Parker who recently went public in a very
rare speech and said that by putting this information out we are
“protecting our terrorist enemies,” we are helping them, we are
giving them information that they can use.

So, this is a media self-censorship law in the UK, which I think
is probably unique in most Western democratic countries, and they
are abiding by that, and it has stifled the debate.

RT:The heads of British intelligence are due to give
evidence to members of parliament on November 7. How much of a
breakthrough is that, in your opinion?

AM: It certainly is a step in the right direction. In the
UK there is something that we call an Intelligence and Security
Committee in Parliament, which is supposed to oversee the work of
the intelligence agencies in the UK. It was put in place almost
20 years ago, but they had very limited powers: they could only
look at policy in finance and administration.

This year that has changed, this year they are allowed to look at
the operational techniques and also potential crimes of the
spies. They can call for people to come and give evidence under
oath. So that is a step forward.

However, the person who was a chair of the ISC, Sir Malcolm
Rifkind, has already said publicly in defense of the revelations
from Edward Snowden that all the intelligence agencies within the
UK are abiding by the laws. And these laws are over 20 years old
and they are irrelevant to this Internet connected age.

RT:The UK Prime Minister signed the EU statement
against NSA spying. But that does look somewhat hypocritical,
doesn't it, considering GCHQ's similar role?

AM: Well, you have to do that. Angela Merkel has to say
that she is outraged about the fact that her personal phones have
been intercepted by the NSA. When the initial disclosures came
out from Snowden saying that we all are being data-mined and
surveilled, our politicians were ‘slightly less’ indignant,
should we say.

I think Cameron has to do this, he has to show that he is
concerned about the issues of surveillance, but we have to also
acknowledge that GCHQ and the German BND, the intelligence
agency, have been reportedly very close allies and have been
doing the dirty work for the NSA. So let’s not lose sight of
that.

RT:Obama said he knew nothing about any spying on
Angela Merkel’s phone, but could he not have known? He is the guy
on top of all this at the end of the day. Or, may be, could he
genuinely not have known?

AM: I think this is very likely he would not have known. I
know that certain key senior intelligence officials in the US
have lied to Congress about the scale of surveillance in the US.
I know in UK, from the inside, that people working for
intelligence agencies with concerns about the scale of
surveillance have been blocked from talking to the oversight
mechanisms.

So I don’t think it is inconceivable that Obama didn’t know. But
it was also interesting that the specific report came out in
Spiegel today said that he was reassuring Angela Merkel that
their conversations, when he spoke to her on the mobile phone,
were not being surveilled. It does not mean that everybody else
in Germany in specific conversations would not be surveilled.