[Raps] I'm the Mujahideen and I'm making a scene / Now you's gonna feel what the boom-boom means / It's like Tupac said, "When I die, I'm not dead"/ We are the martyrs, you're just smashed tomatoes / Allahu Akbar!

I'm betting its the blowback from Superintendent Harry "Snapper" Organs's performance as Sancho Panza in "Man of La Mancha," not to mention his previous performance in Cardiff as Gloucester from "King Lear."

Maybe if Britain actually offered some path of social and economic advancement for people of the Islamic faith young men of ambition wouldn't need to run abroad to get their power thrills. This has been a consistent problem in Great Britain for so many years, young men--bright intelligent men-- running off to fight in foreign wars and dying. Just ask this fellow:

worlddan:Maybe if Britain actually offered some path of social and economic advancement for people of the Islamic faith young men of ambition wouldn't need to run abroad to get their power thrills. This has been a consistent problem in Great Britain for so many years, young men--bright intelligent men-- running off to fight in foreign wars and dying. Just ask this fellow:

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If only Britain had offered some path of social and economic advancement for the hereditary peerage.

/First-world jihadists today are EXACTLY the same thing as 1970s college-dropout lefty terrorists.

LazyMedia:worlddan: Maybe if Britain actually offered some path of social and economic advancement for people of the Islamic faith young men of ambition wouldn't need to run abroad to get their power thrills. This has been a consistent problem in Great Britain for so many years, young men--bright intelligent men-- running off to fight in foreign wars and dying. Just ask this fellow:

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If only Britain had offered some path of social and economic advancement for the hereditary peerage.

/First-world jihadists today are EXACTLY the same thing as 1970s college-dropout lefty terrorists.

Of course not. Byron and 70s leftists were bored and idealistic. An awful lot of young Muslims in the UK simply have no economic opportunities and live in a society which is in large part opposed to their existence. Ethnic and class tensions are endemic in the UK as they have been for a century in the former case, and for at least four centuries in the latter. With better integration of immigrants and minorities, homegrown or emigre terrorism wouldn't be as big a problem.

NobleHam:LazyMedia: worlddan: Maybe if Britain actually offered some path of social and economic advancement for people of the Islamic faith young men of ambition wouldn't need to run abroad to get their power thrills. This has been a consistent problem in Great Britain for so many years, young men--bright intelligent men-- running off to fight in foreign wars and dying. Just ask this fellow:

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If only Britain had offered some path of social and economic advancement for the hereditary peerage.

/First-world jihadists today are EXACTLY the same thing as 1970s college-dropout lefty terrorists.

Of course not. Byron and 70s leftists were bored and idealistic. An awful lot of young Muslims in the UK simply have no economic opportunities and live in a society which is in large part opposed to their existence. Ethnic and class tensions are endemic in the UK as they have been for a century in the former case, and for at least four centuries in the latter. With better integration of immigrants and minorities, homegrown or emigre terrorism wouldn't be as big a problem.

IF ONLY there were some way for people to assimilate ... to adopt the culture of their new home.You know, rather than to isolate themselves linguistically, religiously, culturally.MEHThat would never happen.

Plus, werent these radical tools from college? LOL

I remember a study a few years ago about suicide bombers.That they are rarely POOR and STUPID, normally they are middle class and smarter.Disaffected, angst ridden tards, taken advantage of my svengallis

namatad:IF ONLY there were some way for people to assimilate ... to adopt the culture of their new home.

Like skin bleaching, cosmetic surgery and voice modulation..? The poor and stupid are rarely equipped to make a fuss, it's the middle class who look at the plight of their people who are likely to cause trouble. Not out of angst, but because of real alienation from the majority culture which won't accept them as real Brits.

NobleHam:namatad: IF ONLY there were some way for people to assimilate ... to adopt the culture of their new home.

Like skin bleaching, cosmetic surgery and voice modulation..? The poor and stupid are rarely equipped to make a fuss, it's the middle class who look at the plight of their people who are likely to cause trouble. Not out of angst, but because of real alienation from the majority culture which won't accept them as real Brits.

Do you actually know this, or is this just something you've read? My impression of London, anyway, is that it's like New York: extremely ethnically mixed, and cosmopolitan, and everybody considers themselves a Brit regardless of where their grandparents came from. Leeds and Cardiff may be different, but I don't get the impression that Britain has the sort of widespread alienation and discrimination that, say, France supposedly has.

I think the reason we have basically no Muslim terrorists in the U.S. is that they're given more opportunity here. The handful of American jihadis seem to be just like those douches that blew up ROTC buildings in the early '70s.

LazyMedia:NobleHam: namatad: IF ONLY there were some way for people to assimilate ... to adopt the culture of their new home.

Like skin bleaching, cosmetic surgery and voice modulation..? The poor and stupid are rarely equipped to make a fuss, it's the middle class who look at the plight of their people who are likely to cause trouble. Not out of angst, but because of real alienation from the majority culture which won't accept them as real Brits.

Do you actually know this, or is this just something you've read? My impression of London, anyway, is that it's like New York: extremely ethnically mixed, and cosmopolitan, and everybody considers themselves a Brit regardless of where their grandparents came from. Leeds and Cardiff may be different, but I don't get the impression that Britain has the sort of widespread alienation and discrimination that, say, France supposedly has.

I think the reason we have basically no Muslim terrorists in the U.S. is that they're given more opportunity here. The handful of American jihadis seem to be just like those douches that blew up ROTC buildings in the early '70s.

Well, there's the fact that UKIP won the EU parliament elections this year, or that the BNP actually has a base of support, or just anecdotally the widespread white nationalism which is common if note commonly spoken about in the UK. It's not as bad as France, perhaps, where they've had much more substantial Muslim immigration from their former North African holdings, but there is a a strong sense of racial hierarchy in a lot of Europe, including the UK, which makes Arabs, North Africans and Turks feel oppressed. The racism we have here in the U.S. is relatively innocuous by comparison.

Meh. The guys running abroad to fight are bored, middle-class kids who like to pretend they're being discriminated against when they are told they can't attack people of other faiths and they have to let their sisters leave the house and talk to other people, some of whom are other faiths. They generally have a "change of heart" and surrender to the first troops they see who are wearing a uniform which doesn't look like a collection of discarded bedsheets, once they find out that the village hellhole they're living in doesn't have air conditioning, all the local girls are essentially the property of the local warlord and you can't download new apps. Furthermore the locals actually take the "no-alchohol" thing seriously and you can't get a few beers down at the pub because there is no bloody pub.

worlddan:Maybe if Britain actually offered some path of social and economic advancement for people of the Islamic faith young men of ambition wouldn't need to run abroad to get their power thrills. This has been a consistent problem in Great Britain for so many years, young men--bright intelligent men-- running off to fight in foreign wars and dying. Just ask this fellow:

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I don't think sexual unfulfillment was an issue Byron struggled with; he probably had at least 72 virgins, and 72 wives, within his short lifetime.