Which is a very cool book full of black and white Mons compiled in
1913. It is all in Japanese which I cannot read (except some limited
Kanji). There are translations in the front which tell you symbols
name (example: Kikyo = "Ballonflower) its name in English and what
it is. But not what family it belongs too. Next to each Mon are
Japanese characters what do they say?

Is it exceptable for me to choose a mon that I like and use it?
Basically to me that seems like stealing someones personal family
mon. Or lets say its ok to do that. And I create a persona name
which I am now attaching to the wrong Familes mon. Opinions? Answers?

My loyality is my honor.

Thaddeus G. Moore

Solveig

Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! ... This is the Japanese equivalent of those your family s arms booths that sometimes show up at shopping malls. During

This is the Japanese equivalent of those "your family's arms" booths
that sometimes show up at shopping malls. During the Meiji period,
everyone in Japan was given permission to have kamon, so everyone
rushed out and got one.
--

Does that mean it is ok to choose a mon of my liking? Will I be able to register it down the road? My loyality is my honor. Thaddeus G. Moore ... 2 ... booths

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, Feb 27, 2003

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Does that mean it is ok to choose a mon of my liking? Will I be able
to register it down the road?

My loyality is my honor.

Thaddeus G. Moore

--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Solveig <nostrand@a...> wrote:
> Noble Cousin!
>
> Greetings from Solveig!
>
> Regarding the following book:
>
>
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0486228746/qid=1046400339/sr=
2
> >-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-4095857-2608835
>
> This is the Japanese equivalent of those "your family's arms"
booths
> that sometimes show up at shopping malls. During the Meiji period,
> everyone in Japan was given permission to have kamon, so everyone
> rushed out and got one. ----cut----

Solveig

Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! The College of Arms makes registering Japanese armoury rather difficult. However, you can register kamon for yourself if

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, Feb 28, 2003

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Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig! The College of Arms makes registering Japanese
armoury rather difficult. However, you can register kamon for yourself
if you can follow their Anglo-French centric rules.

The book that you have been looking at is NOT a good source for designing
pre-1601 Japanese heraldry. However, you can use it if you follow a few
simple rules:

1. Do not put acircle or other border around your design.
These were rare prior to 1601.

2. Do use a single unified design which can be repeated.
Ther are a few other unified design possibilities such
as two different types of arrow in saltire, an ox cart
wheel issuing from water, a mountain issuing from
clouds, &c. The idea is of a single unified design. If
the design is complex, then it should not be repeated.
If it is simple (e.g., a coin) then it can be repeated.

3. Here is a controversial rule. You do not have to limit
yourself to a single tincture if what you are interested
in recreating is battle flags. Since battle flag useage
is closest to what armoury is in the West, this is appropriate
for registering primary armoury. If you go for a mutli-tincture
design, restrict yourself to 3 tinctures including the background.
If you wish to follow SCA badge style, then you should restrict
yourself to one tincture exclusive of the background.

Greetings from Solveig! The College of Arms makes registering Japanese
armoury rather difficult. However, you can register kamon for yourself
if you can follow their Anglo-French centric rules.

The book that you have been looking at is NOT a good source for designing
pre-1601 Japanese heraldry. However, you can use it if you follow a few
simple rules:

1. Do not put acircle or other border around your design.
These were rare prior to 1601.

2. Do use a single unified design which can be repeated.
Ther are a few other unified design possibilities such
as two different types of arrow in saltire, an ox cart
wheel issuing from water, a mountain issuing from
clouds, &c. The idea is of a single unified design. If
the design is complex, then it should not be repeated.
If it is simple (e.g., a coin) then it can be repeated.

3. Here is a controversial rule. You do not have to limit
yourself to a single tincture if what you are interested
in recreating is battle flags. Since battle flag useage
is closest to what armoury is in the West, this is appropriate
for registering primary armoury. If you go for a mutli-tincture
design, restrict yourself to 3 tinctures including the background.
If you wish to follow SCA badge style, then you should restrict
yourself to one tincture exclusive of the background.

Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! There was no picture or URL or desciption in your message when it arrived. ... -- Your Humble Servant Solveig

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, Mar 3, 2003

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Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig! There was no picture or URL or desciption
in your message when it arrived.

>Konbanwa Solveig-hime,
>
>Would this, then, be somewhat acceptable as a personal kamon?
>
>Lest the shape of the shield, of course, coming from our shire page. The
>field is shapeless and argent...
>
>Domo for any feedback,
>
>-Shisen.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Solveig <nostrand@...>
>Reply-To: sca-jml@yahoogroups.com
>To: sca-jml@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Choosing a Mon
>Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:30:34 -0500
>
>Noble Cousin!
>
>Greetings from Solveig! The College of Arms makes registering Japanese
>armoury rather difficult. However, you can register kamon for yourself
>if you can follow their Anglo-French centric rules.
>
>The book that you have been looking at is NOT a good source for designing
>pre-1601 Japanese heraldry. However, you can use it if you follow a few
>simple rules:
>
> 1. Do not put acircle or other border around your design.
> These were rare prior to 1601.
>
> 2. Do use a single unified design which can be repeated.
> Ther are a few other unified design possibilities such
> as two different types of arrow in saltire, an ox cart
> wheel issuing from water, a mountain issuing from
> clouds, &c. The idea is of a single unified design. If
> the design is complex, then it should not be repeated.
> If it is simple (e.g., a coin) then it can be repeated.
>
> 3. Here is a controversial rule. You do not have to limit
> yourself to a single tincture if what you are interested
> in recreating is battle flags. Since battle flag useage
> is closest to what armoury is in the West, this is appropriate
> for registering primary armoury. If you go for a mutli-tincture
> design, restrict yourself to 3 tinctures including the background.
> If you wish to follow SCA badge style, then you should restrict
> yourself to one tincture exclusive of the background.
>
> Your Humble Servant
> Solveig Throndardottir
> Amateur Scholar
>--
>
> Your Humble Servant
> Solveig Throndardottir
> Amateur Scholar
>
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