Are you just doing a standard set of keys, or something more akin to GMK sets?

More akin to GMK sets, but a little different...

We're splitting each set roughly in half (according to the keys that share the same colour). This way, you can mix and match colours by simply buying the appropriate half-sets. There's also a little overlap, with a few keys appearing in both half-sets.

I know you are building a little empire instead of just running around to earn some quick cash like many of the Groupbuys here.

But at this stage, can you give us a brief time estimation of when we can expect some nice final production PBT caps and some dye-sub, sitting and waiting to be purchased and shipped?If you say late 2018, I will still wait of course - for the thick PBT dye-sub for Alps.

p.s. By the way, I have a bunch of "pine" vintage Alps switches, and I have to let you know for the key feels, "pine" (with slits on upper housing) are way superior to their "bamboo" (with slits on upper housing) counterparts at least for me.

I know you are building a little empire instead of just running around to earn some quick cash like many of the Groupbuys here.

But at this stage, can you give us a brief time estimation of when we can expect some nice final production PBT caps and some dye-sub, sitting and waiting to be purchased and shipped?If you say late 2018, I will still wait of course - for the thick PBT dye-sub for Alps.

Agreed, an estimated date would be really great. Hopefully it wont be late next year if you've already signed off on the black PBTs...

I know you are building a little empire instead of just running around to earn some quick cash like many of the Groupbuys here.

But at this stage, can you give us a brief time estimation of when we can expect some nice final production PBT caps and some dye-sub, sitting and waiting to be purchased and shipped?If you say late 2018, I will still wait of course - for the thick PBT dye-sub for Alps.

Agreed, an estimated date would be really great. Hopefully it wont be late next year if you've already signed off on the black PBTs...

For thick PBT blanks or laser, certainly before the end of this year.

For dye-sub, we've only started doing samples, so I'd say sometime next year. Of course, there's nothing to stop anyone from buying blanks and doing their own dye-sub GB before we do.

I know it's a long shot, but any chance of double-shot caps with transparent lettering?

From us, no -- but Tai-hao has double-shot tooling for ALPS, so they could do it. We've suggested it to them before, but I suppose there are not enough backlit ALPS keyboards for it to be worth it to them.

For dye-sub, we've only started doing samples, so I'd say sometime next year. Of course, there's nothing to stop anyone from buying blanks and doing their own dye-sub GB before we do.

Then next year it is, I'm presuming it's during 2018 not 2028? Just extremely suspicious of any info coming from you in regards to any releases of actual PBT key-sets.

Sorry, but this is how things are with manufacturing sometimes. New developments can take a long time to complete. This is mostly hidden to consumers, because most products aren't announced until they are completed.

Having said that, we have the material on order already. We also have another manufacturer that will be selling a high-end mechanical keyboard with our switches and PBT keycaps. I expect they'll announce it formally early next year (probably at CES).

I'm leaving for China on Friday. I expect there will be more updates from this trip.

Having said that, we have the material on order already. We also have another manufacturer that will be selling a high-end mechanical keyboard with our switches and PBT keycaps. I expect they'll announce it formally early next year (probably at CES).

This would be great, to finally buy a full ALPs based keyboard using all PBT key-caps and I hope it won't sell at the same category as authentic Made in USA PBT Dell's for $1000+ .

We all need to see MORE of your key switches, I know they aren't complicated Alps but it's better than nothing or suffering with anymore Cherry-soulless switches .

Besides Matias, you need to install all PBTs on all of your keyboards because what's on them now, is so lacklustre and boring it only helps to devalue your switch instead of making them feel and sound great when used.

For dye-sub, we've only started doing samples, so I'd say sometime next year. Of course, there's nothing to stop anyone from buying blanks and doing their own dye-sub GB before we do.

Then next year it is, I'm presuming it's during 2018 not 2028? Just extremely suspicious of any info coming from you in regards to any releases of actual PBT key-sets.

Sorry, but this is how things are with manufacturing sometimes. New developments can take a long time to complete. This is mostly hidden to consumers, because most products aren't announced until they are completed.

Having said that, we have the material on order already. We also have another manufacturer that will be selling a high-end mechanical keyboard with our switches and PBT keycaps. I expect they'll announce it formally early next year (probably at CES).

I'm leaving for China on Friday. I expect there will be more updates from this trip.

Can you give any hints on who the manufacturer is that's going to be using your switches?

We all need to see MORE of your key switches, I know they aren't complicated Alps but it's better than nothing or suffering with anymore Cherry-soulless switches .

Besides Matias, you need to install all PBTs on all of your keyboards because what's on them now, is so lacklustre and boring it only helps to devalue your switch instead of making them feel and sound great when used.

Would love to do that -- but not sure if the margins allow for the extra cost, in all cases. Will have to see.

I know you are building a little empire instead of just running around to earn some quick cash like many of the Groupbuys here.

But at this stage, can you give us a brief time estimation of when we can expect some nice final production PBT caps and some dye-sub, sitting and waiting to be purchased and shipped?If you say late 2018, I will still wait of course - for the thick PBT dye-sub for Alps.

Agreed, an estimated date would be really great. Hopefully it wont be late next year if you've already signed off on the black PBTs...

For thick PBT blanks or laser, certainly before the end of this year.

For dye-sub, we've only started doing samples, so I'd say sometime next year. Of course, there's nothing to stop anyone from buying blanks and doing their own dye-sub GB before we do.

It's been a few months since you mentioned dates, so do you still think you're on track to deliver lasered pbt keycaps by the end of this year? Do you have more information about what the planned sets will look like?

I'm getting the final White PBT samples at CES next week. I expect to be approving them (since the previous samples were already 80% good).

Once White is in the can, we can mix White & Black PBT to get various shades of Gray. We'll probably do Light Gray and Dark Gray. That's enough to do plenty of interesting keyset combinations, including a Dolch set.

...Once White is in the can, we can mix White & Black PBT to get various shades of Gray. We'll probably do Light Gray and Dark Gray. That's enough to do plenty of interesting keyset combinations, including a Dolch set.

Great news in the new year of 2018!

I'm looking forward to some Dye-Sub in White / Light Gray / Dark Gray in 2018.I hope the white PBT is more pure white than beige. We can see that with the comparison between Classic Cherry caps vs the newer set, e.g. GMK "Muted", the yellowed beige tone is not as modern (or in my opinion not as attractive) as the pure white greyscale tone:

Now I finally need to get off my butt and hunt down a good TKL Alps keyboard to host these fine PBT caps. Sorry, Matias, but I can't do the SecurePro since I need standard positioning of editing modifiers to avoid going insane.

Maybe Massdrop can do another run of the KB Paradise V60 and V80 with PBT caps?

...Once White is in the can, we can mix White & Black PBT to get various shades of Gray. We'll probably do Light Gray and Dark Gray. That's enough to do plenty of interesting keyset combinations, including a Dolch set.

Great news in the new year of 2018!

I'm looking forward to some Dye-Sub in White / Light Gray / Dark Gray in 2018.I hope the white PBT is more pure white than beige. We can see that with the comparison between Classic Cherry caps vs the newer set, e.g. GMK "Muted", the yellowed beige tone is not as modern (or in my opinion not as attractive) as the pure white greyscale tone:

Now I finally need to get off my butt and hunt down a good TKL Alps keyboard to host these fine PBT caps. Sorry, Matias, but I can't do the SecurePro since I need standard positioning of editing modifiers to avoid going insane.

Maybe Massdrop can do another run of the KB Paradise V60 and V80 with PBT caps?

We have our own 60% keyboard in the pipeline also. Once the keycaps are done, I'm sure you'll see other models popping up to use them.

I'm getting the final White PBT samples at CES next week. I expect to be approving them (since the previous samples were already 80% good).

Once White is in the can, we can mix White & Black PBT to get various shades of Gray. We'll probably do Light Gray and Dark Gray. That's enough to do plenty of interesting keyset combinations, including a Dolch set.

Can start working on classic beige set eventually (hopefully one day).

I'm interested in using this with the board from the Southpaw Extended 65% group buy. I'd be really interested in seeing what the planned kits will look like so I can get an idea about compatibility, and some sense of whether or not the layouts I'm thinking of using will work. Is there anything you can share about what the kits will look like?

Ours are similar to OEM profile but thicker, and with better spacebars.

What do you mean with similar to OEM. Please, can you share with the Alps/Matias community a feature sheet of the keycaps with Matias profile ( graphics of the profile of the keys, number of different rows with row numbers, pictures and measurements, etc. )

I would like to have as much information about the keycaps of Matias as you can offer me, please. I have spent a week surfing the Internet and I have no those features yet.

I want to use your "Matias Keycaps Set, White, Blank, Plank" for alphas and a DSA profile set from Signature Plastics for mods. And I would like to guess if the combination will be useful.

* Only MX-style stabilizer mounts (so all the boards would have to be redesigned for that)* Some fit problems* Some issues with inconsistency. I know the Alpine Winter set got a major re-run because the blanks were inconsistently made.

That makes sense, I was thinking SP might have a lower MOQ and shorter lead time than Chinese factories with new mold(but higher unit price?).

I guess that's Matias wants to renew their entire product line with PBT keycaps? I was thinking the new 60% might fit SP keycaps well since it's not being manufactured yet but the rest of their product can't fit cherry stabs.