more songs is great. no idea why people cry and shit their pants saying songs is better.

production is much better, every song on Songs is better than its version on More Songs, and those 4 songs are easily the top 4 Grown Ups tracks ('cept maybe "Couch King"), "Pears" is the only track on More Songs that comes even close

I don't like Algernon very much and Joie, while not bad by any means, don't do much for me
Glocca Morra and You Blew It! are great, though
oh and I forgot Castevet but Summer Fences is among those "Top 5 'Emo Revival' Records" as well

dunno like, songs just sounds flat apart from the vocals. guitar etc. sounds a lot better on more songs. songs are just as good, there's no really no stinkers on it. handholder is quality also.

whatever bro

I mean yeah it's not a big issue (obviously) it's just something I feel like people point out because Grown Ups in many people's eyes started out awesome and then kinda just plateaued at best
but man, they took out the cough from Three Day Weekend, they took out the cough

Not to spilt hairs here, but I don't think anything by either of the brothers Kinsella would really rightfully be considered part of the "revival" that this thread is about, seeing as they were instrumental in starting/defining the first movement through Cap'n Jazz and its various off-shoots (American Football, The Promise Ring, Joan of Arc, Owen, etc.)

Just checked out Grown Ups for the first time. This album is incredible. Snowing didn't grab me the same way. I'm sure I'll always be a bigger fan of the first wave of emo stuff, but there's something to be said for the new stuff.

Just checked out Grown Ups for the first time. This album is incredible. Snowing didn't grab me the same way. I'm sure I'll always be a bigger fan of the first wave of emo stuff, but there's something to be said for the new stuff.

yeah nothing really touches that first wave of emo of saosin and brand new and sunny day real estate and jimmy eat world and hawthorne heights