To the Point (3 letters)

I question whether the tax dollars of the people who want to be part of Colorado should be used to provide flood assistance to those in Weld County who say they want to secede. Can we put that to a vote?

Mike Rosen’s column regarding the League of Conservation Voters appeared the same day our state experienced a significant environmental catastrophe. Rosen describes the League as a “highly partisan, radical environmental group.” So we really don’t need to be concerned about the environment?

Virginia Wielgot, Aurora

Guns don’t kill people. Mentally ill people with guns kill people. If you are against universal background checks, you are in favor of lunatics carrying guns.
It’s that simple.

Dave Kelley, Northglenn

These letters were published in the Sept. 22 edition.

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Jack, your stupid suggestion was made before by equally as clever (not) people. Until the secede, they deserve all the help our taxes can provide. But all the money in the world will not help certain people understand the reasons for counties wanting to secede.

peterpi

Oh, great. You oppose recalls until you agree with them. And you oppose secession until you agree with it.
The secessionists are sore losers who didn’t get their way on every issue in the state legislature.
Funny, when the state legislature is Republican, all sorts of groups hardly get a say in what happens. You don’t see them seceding.

thor

Nothing funny about the fantasy you write. I oppose recalls and I never said I was in favor of seceding. But I understand, unlike you, the why and wherefore. You want to concentrate on the recall and the desire to secede because you want to avoid the real issue. And you go back to Republicans running the legislature because you, like President Obama, who wants to continue to blame Bush, have no cogent argument.

peterpi

No, you don’t understand.
For decades in this state, Republicans ran the legislature. They got what they wanted. Rural legislators snubbed Denver. They laughed at GLBT people, and so on.
Then, the demographics changed, and so did the politics. GLBT people got organized, Democrats became better campaigners.
The Democrats are the majority. For now. They passed certain bills. Bills the people who supported them wanted.
And the recallers and the secessionists were appalled.
The recallers and the secessionists never gave a darn about what urban dwellers wanted, about what GLBT people wanted.
Republicans held public hearings in which urban voices and GLBT voices were ignored. After the hearings, they voted the way they wanted.
But now that the Republicans and the rural legislators are in the political minority, they whine they’re being ignored, simply because a few gun bills got passed, civil unions got passed, fracing regs were tightened.
During that long reign of the Republicans, Denver and Boulder and the mountain towns never threatened to secede. GLBT peope, pro-choice people never recalled anyone. There was always hope for the next election.
That’s how the game is supposed to be played.
Talk of secession, or recalling people, solely because the recallers and secessionists disagreed with certain votes, is nothing more than people throwing the cards and the chips off the table because they have a losing hand, sweeping the chess pieces off the chessboard because the other side check-mated them.
Play the game better next time.

Robtf777

“I question whether the tax dollars of the people who want to be part of
Colorado should be used to provide flood assistance to those in Weld
County who say they want to secede. Can we put that to a vote?”
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I question the…..intelligence……the compassion……the mercy…… of someone who wants to……gleefully…..joyfully…….spitefully…..bitterly…….with malice…….deny the right of CURRENT CITIZENS OF COLORADO…….or CURRENT CITIZENS The United States who live in an adjoining State…….from receiving any and all help the State of Colorado can give them…….in their time of need…….just because they are so spiteful and bitter and unmerciful.

When a flood hits…..Bangladesh……the United States RESPONDS.

We should NOT treat the Citizens of Weld County like DIRT out of spite.

johnrpack

Just a guess, but, as of the date of the flood, the citizens of Weld County are citizens of Colorado — and due all that that entails.

Now, after they secede, that’ll be a different matter. Then we’ll help because we want to.

Robtf777

“Guns don’t kill people. Mentally ill people with guns kill people. If
you are against universal background checks, you are in favor of
lunatics carrying guns.

It’s that simple.”
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I am actually very much open to the idea that people may – may – should – should – can – can – be “licensed” to carry and use a firearm much as people are “licensed” to drive cars, motorcycles, 18-wheelers, and airplanes……….

…………as long as the “provisions” to obtain a license are easily met by reasonably intelligent and qualified people…….and are not designed to be so…….complicated……that they are designed to be akin to “poll taxes” or “intelligence tests” to “weed out” and prevent the majority of Americans to enjoy and utilize the Constitutional RIGHT the Constitution gives “the people.”

No one wants a “nut case” driving an 18-wheeler of gasoline or nuclear fuel down the highway…….and no one wants a “nut case” walking around with a firearm either.

As I said, I am “open to the idea”…….that, regardless of what the Constitution says, the “right of the people to keep and bear arms”……should be restricted to qualified adults……who are reasonably intelligent……have no psychological problems…….and can pass a qualification test to demonstrate at least some skill in the proper use of a firearm……..which more than 90% of all Americans should easily be able to do.
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The PROBLEM…..although…..is OBVIOUS:

How many “unlicensed” drivers both drive and cause accidents……in a STOLEN car…..in spite of the fact that they don’t have a driver’s license or insurance……and STOLE a car?

If “we” can’t keep unlicensed and uninsured drivers out of the driver’s seat of ALL motor vehicles……or PREVENT ALL car thefts……there will be those who WILL also carry a firearm……although they have no license and may have actually FAILED a background check……and STOLE one.

Laws exist for the Law-Abiding to obey…..and Laws exist for the Law-Breaking Criminals to BREAK and FLAUNT. That’s WHY they are…..drum roll…..CRIMINALS.

Thus Universal Background Checks and even Gun Licenses……make Law-Abiding People feel “good”……but they have the flaw……that those who want to commit murder, rape, and robbery……With A Gun…..are not exactly the type of “law-abiding people” who will CARE about either Background Checks OR “licenses”…….any more than they CARE about All The Other Laws they are breaking.

Robtf777

“Mike Rosen’s column regarding the League of Conservation Voters appeared
the same day our state experienced a significant environmental
catastrophe. Rosen describes the League as a “highly partisan, radical
environmental group.” So we really don’t need to be concerned about the
environment?”
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Should we be more concerned about……”the environment”……and an “act of God”……that we cannot do anything about…….or should we be more concerned about……the direction our State and our Country and our World is going………that might actually be the CAUSE of that “act of God?”

Even Jesus didn’t dismiss the increase in both intensity and frequency of “natural disasters” (hint: “acts of God”) as something that would come about for no particular reason………but clearly indicated that “natural disasters” (acts of God) WOULD increase in both intensity AND frequency as the world opposed and rebelled against God…..ALSO with more frequency and intensity.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to look at the general direction the US and the World has been going since the 1950s…….through the 1960s……the 1970s……and even in the last few years………and notice the “upheaval” in social morals and ethics……and note a “general correlation” with the “environmental” disasters that have also increased.

The FACT is that virtually everyone – everyone – blames MANKIND.

It is only the “specifics” of “mankind’s” “input” that is disagreed upon.

Secular Liberal Atheists blame “man-caused pollution.”

Christians look at the Bible…..the “new” moral standards of the US and the World…..and blame “man’s desire to sin.”

Guest

To Dave Kelley: Anyone outside of military, law enforcement and other security occupations that “needs” to carry a weapon is a lunatic.

johnrpack

Since the hard-left regards wanting to own (or actually owning) a gun as a mental illness, I suspect some of us think that we don’t trust your definition of “lunatic.”
In any case, what about someone who’s never been a lunatic in the past? There’s simply no way to identify them and screen them out. Heaping more gun control laws on top of law-abiding citizens doesn’t nothing to help.

Dano2

wanting to own (or actually owning) a gun as a mental illness,

Bushit.

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