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Matt just riding off this post with a question pertaining to that product Pit was keeping a log on and the question for you is what is your opinion of HALO 4HER? Personally for me its a no but just curious to see if its worth it for women wanting to dabble in it. List of Ingredients

Ingredients:

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-dine-3, 17b-dione

It appears to be a low dosed "halodrol clone" -- which would similar to the Soviet Union popular steroid "OT"

or Oral Turninabol (4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone)

I think the characteristics on this hormone is a bit more favorable to women compared to say.....winstrol or masteron or more androgenic compounds

Its more anabolic than androgenic so I would I can see this working well for females...

IF'ers, Warrior dieters, Cross-fitters...seem to think tons of eating is BS and 'bro-science' but I tell ya what....

achieving maximum muscle size as quickly as possible while training hard and resting -- you better be "Anti-Fast."

-Matt

That's an interesting viewpoint Matt and I guess I might have to agree with you on it.
I started doing IF to help with my cut, and I have to admit it definitely works for me at this point in time. I'm at the end of my cut right now and on very reduced calories and I don't suffer as much as I did during my last cut- still hard as hell though. IF helps with the cravings but I've also found I feel stronger and more energetic when training on an empty stomach. Could be a placebo effect, but I'll take it. I don't have to "evacuate" as often either throughout the day and that helps a lot with feeling more healthy.
Preworkout and fat burner supplementation is in addition a lot more effective when ingested in a fasted state, there's no question about it.
Overall, I'd say that IF might not be absolutely optimal for muscle growth in certain individuals but I'd have a bone to pick with people claiming it's actually burning muscle or any similar nonsense. All the research I've looked at shows that SHORT-TERM fasting is muscle sparing. I just wish there was a lot more research on the effects of short term fasting and exercise cause I feel like I'm part of a very small group of people doing this here...

That's an interesting viewpoint Matt and I guess I might have to agree with you on it.
I started doing IF to help with my cut, and I have to admit it definitely works for me at this point in time. I'm at the end of my cut right now and on very reduced calories and I don't suffer as much as I did during my last cut- still hard as hell though. IF helps with the cravings but I've also found I feel stronger and more energetic when training on an empty stomach. Could be a placebo effect, but I'll take it. I don't have to "evacuate" as often either throughout the day and that helps a lot with feeling more healthy.
Preworkout and fat burner supplementation is in addition a lot more effective when ingested in a fasted state, there's no question about it.
Overall, I'd say that IF might not be absolutely optimal for muscle growth in certain individuals but I'd have a bone to pick with people claiming it's actually burning muscle or any similar nonsense. All the research I've looked at shows that SHORT-TERM fasting is muscle sparing. I just wish there was a lot more research on the effects of short term fasting and exercise cause I feel like I'm part of a very small group of people doing this here...

You drink your post workout shake -- then I feel you should be eating solid meal 60 minutes later.

Peri-workout time frame is pretty important and giving the body necessary calories is worth the hassle of eating so frequent.

Its funny --- Its almost like a 'trend' now to be "anti-post workout nutrition" like "supplement companies have bullshitted us'

for decades and the anabolic window is crap" ---- well, sure the supp companies have fabricated things and pimped products.

But the importance of NUTRITION (not talking powders or pills) but that damn stip steak/ w jasmine rice and walnut oil drizzled over

will be in ANYONES best interest if you want to focus on maximizing lean mass accrual.

IF'ers, Warrior dieters, Cross-fitters...seem to think tons of eating is BS and 'bro-science' but I tell ya what....

achieving maximum muscle size as quickly as possible while training hard and resting -- you better be "Anti-Fast."

-Matt

Hey wait a minute am dabbling in cross fit but am still eating a crap load cause it leaves me sooooo hungry I drink a bottle of ISOPURE RTD and have a scoop of Ennercell with protein then get home and by the time I get home I wait 30-40 minutes and have me either grilled steak or grilled chicken breast, veggies, rice/potato and some nice sweets like a slice of cake or cookies or whatever but in moderation. Right now am on the carb back loading program...just trying it out and I have lost anything nor gained anything which is fine since am not trying to gain size just maintain and perhaps get a bit leaner sooo it working out for me. Still at 120 but I get to eat sweets

That's an interesting viewpoint Matt and I guess I might have to agree with you on it.
I started doing IF to help with my cut, and I have to admit it definitely works for me at this point in time. I'm at the end of my cut right now and on very reduced calories and I don't suffer as much as I did during my last cut- still hard as hell though. IF helps with the cravings but I've also found I feel stronger and more energetic when training on an empty stomach. Could be a placebo effect, but I'll take it. I don't have to "evacuate" as often either throughout the day and that helps a lot with feeling more healthy.
Preworkout and fat burner supplementation is in addition a lot more effective when ingested in a fasted state, there's no question about it.
Overall, I'd say that IF might not be absolutely optimal for muscle growth in certain individuals but I'd have a bone to pick with people claiming it's actually burning muscle or any similar nonsense. All the research I've looked at shows that SHORT-TERM fasting is muscle sparing. I just wish there was a lot more research on the effects of short term fasting and exercise cause I feel like I'm part of a very small group of people doing this here...

I think IF works great as well. I used it on accident essentially during deployment, eatting once a day was common. THis was always a bigger meal as well and we always worked out before we ate.

I lost a tiny bit of muscle for sure, but at the same time I got to my leanest point ever without any thermogenics or pills and looked great.

You drink your post workout shake -- then I feel you should be eating solid meal 60 minutes later.

Peri-workout time frame is pretty important and giving the body necessary calories is worth the hassle of eating so frequent.

Its funny --- Its almost like a 'trend' now to be "anti-post workout nutrition" like "supplement companies have bullshitted us'

for decades and the anabolic window is crap" ---- well, sure the supp companies have fabricated things and pimped products.

But the importance of NUTRITION (not talking powders or pills) but that damn stip steak/ w jasmine rice and walnut oil drizzled over

will be in ANYONES best interest if you want to focus on maximizing lean mass accrual.

IF'ers, Warrior dieters, Cross-fitters...seem to think tons of eating is BS and 'bro-science' but I tell ya what....

achieving maximum muscle size as quickly as possible while training hard and resting -- you better be "Anti-Fast."

-Matt

thanks matt.. are you settled yet as to wich carb/brand is so far the best to add to BCAA for a intra mix..also what other things can you add , without the kitchen sink dilema, to make a good home made intra?? when do you think you will have something on the market?? gonna give this a shot and hope the bloat subsides after both drinks to get the next meal in, in a desent amount of time.. thanks again matt