So I had the pleasure of welcoming Steeler Nation to my current city of residence this past weekend (Dallas) and I have to say I was a bit shocked by how obnoxious some of our fans act on the road. I fully support the outward display of Steelers Pride and letting the presence of the Nation be felt throughout the city. I loved seeing all the Terrible Towels out and about on Friday and Saturday Night. However, it appears that some small but significant percentage of our fan base needs to learn that they are representing more than themselves when on the road. These people come to a city intent on "taking it over". To them this includes getting completely blitzed and becoming incredibly obnoxious to everyone around them. They think that just because they put down 1K or more to make the trip they are entitled to act any way they want. I had a very large "jaba-like" sweat pants wearing Pittsburgh guy piss his pants in our downtown Dallas fan club. This guy didn't even realize it and had to be told to clean up. I was pushing to have him kicked out but his buddies promised to take care of it. Also experienced a group of older women who were completely trashed and picking fights with people. Men should not hit women but these ladies were taking complete advantage of that. If they were men they would have been lit up by someone.

We need to do some policing within our own ranks to curb this problem. I was in NOLA 2 years ago for the Halloween game and this didn't seem to be as big of a problem then. The atmosphere in NOLA was great and while there was plenty of alcohol everyone was there to have a good time and were not so brazenly obnoxious. Maybe it's because it's Dallas and admittedly this place sucks for visitors, however when traveling for games we represent not only ourselves, but the Steeler Nation and the city of Pittsburgh too no matter what city it is. I found my self apologizing to people and embarrassed. I think this might be becoming a systemic problem that we need to address with some negative reinforcement when we see it going down.

hawaiiansteel

12-19-2012, 05:21 PM

the problem is that 98 out of 100 Steelers fans can be well-behaved and respectful but it's only the actions of the two idiots that people remember.

Eddie Spaghetti

12-19-2012, 05:25 PM

threads like these make me love steeler nation even more.

papillon

12-19-2012, 05:35 PM

I've had Steeler fans tossed from Three Rivers and Heinz because they were being belligerent to opposing teams' fans. It's unacceptable to throw food items, beer, or any other article at a fan because they cheer for another team. It is even more unacceptable to comment about a person's girl friend, wife or mother in a sexually negative way and I have had no problem having these fans escorted out of the stadium for being @ssclowns.

Some people believe that it is okay to behave like a neanderthal towards fans of opposing teams and that's just wrong. I wish they would grow up.

Pappy

flippy

12-19-2012, 05:38 PM

As I get older, I notice lots of obnoxious folks even at home games. It's the same at home or on the road. And it's all types of fans, not just Steelers fans.

I think more people binge drink nowadays versus many years ago. And alcohol is usually involved when people are obnoxious.

I remember going to games as a kid, Steelers, Pirates, Pens on occassion. And there was always some loud and obnoxious guy around. It was usually just 1 guy. But nowadays there's a lot of those guys. They're out in force. It's become socially acceptable to be sloppy drunk in public.

The last game I was at, there were a group of about 10-15 guys that couldn't have seen most of the game. They were so busy leaving to buy beers. They each probably had 10+ beers during the game. I don't get it, but to each his own. Guess these guys weren't really there for the game. Moreso for the experience. This particular group seemed pretty jovial. But that much alcohol doesn't agree with everyone and not all drunks are happy.

There should be a simple rule. If you're not a happy drunk, you shouldn't drink in public. That would probably fix half of society's problems.

lloydroid

12-19-2012, 05:43 PM

the problem is that 98 out of 100 Steelers fans can be well-behaved and respectful but it's only the actions of the two idiots that people remember.

I have seen this myself, here in FL. You can easily tell which Steeler fans live down here and which still live in Pgh and just came down for the game. Those who live here have learned to be more respectful and friendly. Those making the trip tend to be as described by the OP. ALL fan bases have their jerk fans. Some have more than others. As stated, it's totally cool to represent and wear the colors proudly, it's a whole other kettle of fish for fans to act like a-holes. I can't be too critical of the Burgers who act the jerk; until I moved out of WPA I was probably one of them. But once you move to a place on the ocean, you learn that being crass to opposing fans is not the way to go through life.

But I have to say: I have never witnessed a Steeler fan so out of control that he p-ssed himself and didn't even know it. What a way to go through life. Unreal.

skyhawk

12-19-2012, 06:11 PM

Idiot fans are part of all teams.

We have seahawks fans here in seattle berate us when we are losing (they're still bitter), we mess with their heads when we completely ignore them OR even clap when they score 50 ;). We are soooooo much better than them! HA!

lloydroid

12-19-2012, 06:36 PM

threads like these make me love steeler nation even more.

Now, why does this not surprise me?

pittpete

12-19-2012, 07:08 PM

Big deal, they were drunk.
Someone needs to get the sand out of their vagina:o

eniparadoxgma

12-19-2012, 08:13 PM

Yeah, sure...starting fights and pissing yourself is normal, right?

...

I agree with the OP.

JAR

12-19-2012, 08:13 PM

Go to a Steelers @ Browns game, then come back here and tell us what you witness. :)

DBR96A

12-19-2012, 09:08 PM

"Honestly, you're the only cool Steelers fan I know. Every other one I've encountered has been all, 'How can you cheer for them? They suck! We got six rings! Kiss the rings, bitch!'"

-A Lions fan I know from the local sports bar, speaking to me very candidly

RuthlessBurgher

12-19-2012, 11:54 PM

There are Steeler fans, and then there are drunk buttholes. I don't understand how people could spend what I would spend for an awesome steak dinner at Ruth's Chris or Morton's on beer-after-overpriced beer at the stadium. And then drive home afterwards. These Mensa rejects make Alameda Ta'Amu look like a teatotaler.

I would rather hang out and talk football with a sober Ravens fan and a sober Pats fan than spend any time with a drunk butthole Steeler fan who is slurring his obscenties and has various bodily fluids come out of parts of his body involuntarily.

I just started bringing my 11 year old son to regular season games...I still only bring my 8 year old daughter to preseason games since that is a much more tame atmosphere with fewer drunk buttholes since the result of the game itself doesn't matter.

flippy

12-20-2012, 07:27 AM

These Mensa rejects make Alameda Ta'Amu look like a teatotaler.

Nice. I never understood why they didn't set up sobriety check points on all routes out of Pittsburgh after the games. I realize it would slow everyone down, but it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Another solution would be to hurry up and legalize marijuana. People that are high are much more friendly that people that get sloppy drunk.

Notleadpoisoned

12-20-2012, 09:17 AM

I can't say that I've liked every fellow Steelers fan that I've met in my lifetime because oftentimes the only thing we have in common is our love for the Steelers. That's just how it is.

RKSteel

12-20-2012, 09:34 AM

There are Steeler fans, and then there are drunk buttholes. I don't understand how people could spend what I would spend for an awesome steak dinner at Ruth's Chris or Morton's on beer-after-overpriced beer at the stadium. And then drive home afterwards. These Mensa rejects make Alameda Ta'Amu look like a teatotaler.

I would rather hang out and talk football with a sober Ravens fan and a sober Pats fan than spend any time with a drunk butthole Steeler fan who is slurring his obscenties and has various bodily fluids come out of parts of his body involuntarily.

I just started bringing my 11 year old son to regular season games...I still only bring my 8 year old daughter to preseason games since that is a much more tame atmosphere with fewer drunk buttholes since the result of the game itself doesn't matter. RB, at least you didn't have the beer throwing drunk chick near your section during the Chargers game. Apparently she was upset that fans were leaving when the Steeles were losing by 24pts and decide to douse some guy.

flippy

12-20-2012, 10:35 AM

RB, at least you didn't have the beer throwing drunk chick near your section during the Chargers game. Apparently she was upset that fans were leaving when the Steeles were losing by 24pts and decide to douse some guy.

I bet everyone can think of multiple knuckleheads they've encountered at every game they've been too. The NFL is having problems with attendance because more people prefer to watch games at home. I bet more people would be willing to bring their kids to a safer and more sober atmosphere.

If you want to see some horrific stuff, you look up fan fights on youtube. There's content you could watch for days. It's unbelievable. It's all alcohol related. Every 2 beer queer in America goes to NFL games.

Slapstick

12-20-2012, 10:52 AM

Every 2 beer queer in America goes to NFL games.

It's actually a "one beer queer"...

I believe you are thinking of a "Two-can Sam"...:p

flippy

12-20-2012, 10:58 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPuc_PwI06k

Oviedo

12-20-2012, 01:11 PM

There are Steeler fans, and then there are drunk buttholes. I don't understand how people could spend what I would spend for an awesome steak dinner at Ruth's Chris or Morton's on beer-after-overpriced beer at the stadium. And then drive home afterwards. These Mensa rejects make Alameda Ta'Amu look like a teatotaler.

I would rather hang out and talk football with a sober Ravens fan and a sober Pats fan than spend any time with a drunk butthole Steeler fan who is slurring his obscenties and has various bodily fluids come out of parts of his body involuntarily.

I just started bringing my 11 year old son to regular season games...I still only bring my 8 year old daughter to preseason games since that is a much more tame atmosphere with fewer drunk buttholes since the result of the game itself doesn't matter.

I won't take my kids and have passed on opportunities to go to games because of the number of drunks that surround you at them. It has gotten totally out of hand. Unfortunately, someone is probably going to have to get killed before the Steelers and the NFL crack down on the drunken idiots who go to games. The viewing experience is much better at home courtesy the the NFL Ticket and La-Z-Boy.

flippy

12-20-2012, 01:28 PM

I won't take my kids and have passed on opportunities to go to games because of the number of drunks that surround you at them. It has gotten totally out of hand. Unfortunately, someone is probably going to have to get killed before the Steelers and the NFL crack down on the drunken idiots who go to games. The viewing experience is much better at home courtesy the the NFL Ticket and La-Z-Boy.

There was a kid that got killed after a Phillies game a few years back. I think someone's got shot after a Raiders game too. There was a SF fan that got beaten at a Dodgers game until he had brain damage.

The link I provided above shows people many years ago wearing suits to sporting events and being well behaved. It suggests that the downfall of society is what leads to people doing stupid stuff.

In the past families stayed together, now most people are divorced. And people don't go to church and believe in God like they used to. So the only place they find they belong is with other like minded sports fans. But there's no moral basis for the group like there would be in a family or church.

I never really considered this before, but the biggest downfall not only for sports, but life in general is the disappearing family and God.

Ghost

12-20-2012, 01:53 PM

Unfortunately this behavior goes on right in Heinz field as well. I went back to Pgh for Christmas a few years back and we got tickets to a game on Christmas Eve. We had good tickets ($$$) and the guys in front of us couldn't go one sentence withoug dropping an F bomb. A few rows down a young guy was so drunk he fell over a few times and eventually onto the row in front of him. He also decided to go shirtless on Dec 24th in Pittsburgh. His girlfriend was only slightly more sober. The language all around in general made a Tarantino film sound tame. I was with my mother. I can see why a person would not take their kids, and that's sad.

I'm no prude. But going to a sporting event shouldn't be like goingto Marde Gras in New Orleans or a night in Vegas (I've done both multiple times!).

MCHammer

12-20-2012, 03:01 PM

I was at the AFC Championship a couple years back when we came back against Baltimore. There was a guy a row back from me screaming incredibly mean-spirited and foul things at a couple of Baltimore fans who were simply watching the game a few rows up. The Baltimore fans were a couple of middle-aged women without men, who looked like and probably were lesbians. So the creep behind me was yelling obscene taunts based on that as well.

It was really out of line and I wanted to do something, but when I turned around I saw he was with his mentally handicapped daughter. I couldn't believe that is how he behaved. Such a horrible example. I was too embarrassed for everyone to say anything. I gave him some dirty looks, but he was oblivious. Eventually, the guy just wore himself out and stopped.

Djfan

12-20-2012, 03:35 PM

The link I provided above shows people many years ago wearing suits to sporting events and being well behaved. It suggests that the downfall of society is what leads to people doing stupid stuff.

In the past families stayed together, now most people are divorced. And people don't go to church and believe in God like they used to. So the only place they find they belong is with other like minded sports fans. But there's no moral basis for the group like there would be in a family or church.

I never really considered this before, but the biggest downfall not only for sports, but life in general is the disappearing family and God.

Welcome to good solid thinking.

Notleadpoisoned

12-20-2012, 04:01 PM

There was a kid that got killed after a Phillies game a few years back. I think someone's got shot after a Raiders game too. There was a SF fan that got beaten at a Dodgers game until he had brain damage.

The link I provided above shows people many years ago wearing suits to sporting events and being well behaved. It suggests that the downfall of society is what leads to people doing stupid stuff.

In the past families stayed together, now most people are divorced. And people don't go to church and believe in God like they used to. So the only place they find they belong is with other like minded sports fans. But there's no moral basis for the group like there would be in a family or church.

I never really considered this before, but the biggest downfall not only for sports, but life in general is the disappearing family and God.
You're spot on. The feminist movement has had a lot to do with the disappearing family. God is still around but his wrath doesn't seem to scare too many people anymore unfortunately.

RuthlessBurgher

12-20-2012, 04:55 PM

RB, at least you didn't have the beer throwing drunk chick near your section during the Chargers game. Apparently she was upset that fans were leaving when the Steeles were losing by 24pts and decide to douse some guy.

Near the end of the game, though, it was raining hard enough that perhaps most of that beer got washed off. Think of how much it cost to pay for that beer she threw...we are probably nearing a buck an ounce for that stuff in stadiums now. I'm perfectly happy with a Mountain Dew instead (which I get free courtesy of the designated driver booths) to whet my whistle while we are on defense, so I don't totally destroy my vocal cords from screaming (my screaming consists of things like "DEE-FENSE," "C'MON DEE, LET'S GO DEE" and things like that instead of obscenities, though, even when we are losing by 24).

flippy

12-20-2012, 07:21 PM

Welcome to good solid thinking.

But I have no idea what the solution is. How do you keep families together? And is even that everything? Some people do ok without the family structure somehow. I realize that's not the norm. But how and why do some make it?

God's another tough one? How do you get people to have a moral compass that aligns with the teachings of religion. They're fundamentally sound whether or not someone believes in God. But the ongoing problem I see is people have access to so much information it becomes difficult to fathom the reality of God. But there are lots of people I know again who don't have God, but they have a moral compass and lead good lives. How do they do it without God?

I couldn't imagine not being a decent human being in any situation and I'm just your average dumb poor schmuck. I grew up with both a solid family and God. Maybe that had an impact, but in my personal situation, I was afraid to do anything wrong intentionally. We all do messed up stuff from time to time. But I've never had a rebellious gene in my body. And I've always wondered how people that mess up do the things they do? Is it just in their nature and much like me they can't help choosing the path the choose.

I guess what I'm saying is I know everyone has freedom to choose. But are the choice we make a result of something already ingrained within us that's outside of our own control?

I know my thinking here seems flawed, but I genuinely believe everyone is inherently good. And thinking someone could consciously make a negative decision does not compute for me.

flippy

12-20-2012, 07:30 PM

You're spot on. The feminist movement has had a lot to do with the disappearing family. God is still around but his wrath doesn't seem to scare too many people anymore unfortunately.

I never thought about this. But I'm starting to wonder was this all driven by greed. The rich needed to expand the work force to reduce labor costs. So they marketed feminism to women who never really wanted it in the first place? It drove down wages and necessitated families have multiple incomes in today's world to get all the stuff the rich people tell you that you need to have.

So they effectively weaved greed into the culture and created consumerism which drove major divides in families and society. It's all like a matured version of slavery. Building of a cultural divide. The more you tear people apart, the more anger and animosity. Then you bring them together with sports and align them against others and the anger from the greed driven divide manifests itself in stadiums and lunacy and fan violence.

The world has become so corrupted, the only way for a sane person to escape may just be alcohol or medications. Everyone's on some kind of medication and those who aren't likely are getting chemicals in the food and water supply. We get dumber, poorer, focused on materialism, and it's just all messed up.

Now we've got Steeler fans peeing on themselves and not even realizing it. So sad.

lloydroid

12-20-2012, 07:46 PM

The problem is way larger than the mere divorce rate and lack of God-fearing presence. But those are manifestations of the larger problem, which is the denigration of total society in general. Too many causes to list here. But you know things are getting bad when Fireman Ed called it quits as the unofficial Jets' mascot. He grew tired of things being thrown at him, etc. since he wore a Sanchez jersey. To be fair, I would HATE Sanchez as my QB too (he just sucks), but I wouldn't throw things at the most iconic fan figure in Jets' history over it.

costanza2k1

12-20-2012, 07:54 PM

I was there with 30 of my family and friends...didn't see anyone out of order...trip was like a 2 for 1, we thought we were in Pittsburgh :D

Mister Pittsburgh

12-20-2012, 11:28 PM

I sat through 6 Ravens fans that did nothing but taunt 3 rows in front of me at Heinz Field until Troy went pick 6 on the Ravens and they were notin there seats when the crowd was done going nuts.

i could not find my 59 year old dad after we played the Jets in the last AFCCG until 20 minutes after the game and he emerged with a broken nose because a Jets fan assaulted him in the bathroom after my dad uttered 'man, good game until the end' an the Jet fan punched him in the face.

At the last Ravens playoff game my buddy loft a snowball lightly in a joking manner only to have 6 Ravens fans approach him over it and a brawl break out over a casual joke.

Unless any 'Steelers Fan' was 100% sure from the city, I wouldn't be shocked if the fan in your adopted city lived 2 blocks from you.

SDSteel1

12-22-2012, 03:58 PM

I never thought about this. But I'm starting to wonder was this all driven by greed. The rich needed to expand the work force to reduce labor costs. So they marketed feminism to women who never really wanted it in the first place? It drove down wages and necessitated families have multiple incomes in today's world to get all the stuff the rich people tell you that you need to have.

So they effectively weaved greed into the culture and created consumerism which drove major divides in families and society. It's all like a matured version of slavery. Building of a cultural divide. The more you tear people apart, the more anger and animosity. Then you bring them together with sports and align them against others and the anger from the greed driven divide manifests itself in stadiums and lunacy and fan violence.

The world has become so corrupted, the only way for a sane person to escape may just be alcohol or medications. Everyone's on some kind of medication and those who aren't likely are getting chemicals in the food and water supply. We get dumber, poorer, focused on materialism, and it's just all messed up.

Now we've got Steeler fans peeing on themselves and not even realizing it. So sad.

So the lack of God, feminism, and the rich are all responsible for rude football fans??

OK......

How about just a lack of personal responsibility, and alcohol? I'm guessing if you use foul language in your home, you probably have no problem dropping the f-bomb in public. This isn't a Steeler fan issue, the an epidemic because there is no discipline anymore. But alcohol is the number one problem...then tack on the fact that most people see themselves as the center of the universe, and you can see why there is a problem.

Ozey74

12-22-2012, 05:04 PM

Get rid of booze and the fan behavior will improve. Its as simple as that in my opinion. There will come a day when it will become undeniably apparent that booze at stadiums is the fuel for bad behavior by fans. Unfortunately, tragedies will have to take place & people will probably have to lose their lives before a ban occurs. It may take another 20 years, but I think it will happen.

skyhawk

12-22-2012, 05:20 PM

Booze will never be banned. It's big bucks! And the USA's cult religion of corporate profits and big business will always prevail until something changes.

Ozey74

12-22-2012, 05:28 PM

I somewhat agree with you Skyhawk about the booze. But the problem over time may be so big that the NFL may be forced to ban booze or risk losing people wanting to buy tickets to attend games. I think that all it takes is 5% of the fans in attendance to ruin it for the other 95%. As I said, it may take 20 years but I think it's headed in that direction. College football doesn't have this problem and their stadiums are packed.

lloydroid

12-22-2012, 05:52 PM

I sat through 6 Ravens fans that did nothing but taunt 3 rows in front of me at Heinz Field until Troy went pick 6 on the Ravens and they were notin there seats when the crowd was done going nuts.

i could not find my 59 year old dad after we played the Jets in the last AFCCG until 20 minutes after the game and he emerged with a broken nose because a Jets fan assaulted him in the bathroom after my dad uttered 'man, good game until the end' an the Jet fan punched him in the face.

At the last Ravens playoff game my buddy loft a snowball lightly in a joking manner only to have 6 Ravens fans approach him over it and a brawl break out over a casual joke.

Unless any 'Steelers Fan' was 100% sure from the city, I wouldn't be shocked if the fan in your adopted city lived 2 blocks from you.

My experience is that the vast majority of a hole Steeler fans are VISITING the away city, and still live in Western PA. I hang out with a crowd of 20 Steeler fans here, who live here, and almost none ever act like jerks. But when we see visitors come to FL, they tend to be rude, ribald, obnoxious, etc. And my best evidence of this is the previous to me moving the hell out of WPA, I _was_ one of those jerks. When you change locals, with better weather, island-type living, you learn how to relax and just be a nicer person. There is something about living in WPA that tends to make you less refined, etc. I know from personal experience.

SDSteel1

12-22-2012, 06:07 PM

First of all the whole myth of Steeler fans traveling so well is BS...they already live there. It's not that we travel to take over other cities, tyhe Steelers with their 6 Super Bowls makes them a huge bandwagon team, couple that with the fact that many people left western PA in the 70's and relocated all across the US, means that every NFL city already has thousands of Steeler fans already living there. Again this isn't a Steeler problem, it's an alcohol problem. When people get drunk they do stupid stuff, if they are wearing a Steeler jersey or a Raider jersey it makes no difference.

lloydroid

12-22-2012, 06:27 PM

First of all the whole myth of Steeler fans traveling so well is BS...they already live there. It's not that we travel to take over other cities, tyhe Steelers with their 6 Super Bowls makes them a huge bandwagon team, couple that with the fact that many people left western PA in the 70's and relocated all across the US, means that every NFL city already has thousands of Steeler fans already living there. Again this isn't a Steeler problem, it's an alcohol problem. When people get drunk they do stupid stuff, if they are wearing a Steeler jersey or a Raider jersey it makes no difference.

I think you are over-simplifying a tad here. First of all, you are 100% right that most Steeler fans you see at away games do indeed live there. That is very true, but not EVERY terrible towel seen waving is by a local resident. How do I know? Because I have TALKED TO visiting Steeler fans who made the trip, and that happens at a higher rate when the locale is a warm weather city and Pittsburghers want to get out of the dreary weather. So, I have witnessed, first hand, many Steeler fans who really did travel for an away game. Also, you can't blame it 100% of just booze. I drink at games, and don't get obnoxious. It's not as simple as saying it 100% the booze's fault. It can increase rude behavior, but it is not 100% the total culprit. Steeler fans can be quite crass on their own as I have witnessed it first hand.

One other thing: Generally speaking, if you are an away fan at Heinz Field, and if you generally don't get to loud or obnoxious yourself, you should be fairly safe. But when I see visiting fans gets a little too annoying is when they might get in some trouble. Most who keep to themselves will only get light ribbing in most cases.

flippy

12-22-2012, 06:34 PM

I was watching Real Sports year in review and they had the same youtube clip I posted earlier. The guy that did that clip commented that when he took his kid to a game, his kid asked why everyone's drinking/drunk before they walk into the stadium.

It was a roundtable of Bryant Gumble and a bunch of old guys and women commenting and the consensus was why would anyone go to a game anymore when you can just watch at home on your huge tv in a safe environment.

One of the guys commented the mentality is the same as the Bloods and the Crips. And the thought process is how can you disrespect me on my turf wearing those colors.

I wonder what the problems of the world will look like when today's kids grow up. They'll probably think back to the good ole days when people just punched each other at sporting events. And 50 years from now they'll be complaining about people bringing heavy artillery into games. There's already wackos bringing guns into movie theaters, schools, shopping malls? Too surprise this generation, would someone have to bring a tank in Heinz field? or call in an air strike?

SDSteel1

12-22-2012, 06:39 PM

I didn't say no Steeler fans travel, I know a ton of Charger fans that travel too. Just because you say you handle your alcohol well really means nothing. Rude behavior can easily be blamed on society today, but as I said before, it's not a "Steeler problem". It's a world wide issue because people lack self responsibility and society is rude.

hawaiiansteel

12-22-2012, 06:46 PM

I didn't say no Steeler fans travel, I know a ton of Charger fans that travel too. Just because you say you handle your alcohol well really means nothing. Rude behavior can easily be blamed on society today, but as I said before, it's not a "Steeler problem". It's a world wide issue because people lack self responsibility and society is rude.

absolutely, you should see what all happens at international soccer games...

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/soccer-punch.jpg

flippy

12-22-2012, 06:52 PM

Good call on soccer Hawaiian. Soccer fan fights are the best. They're like mini wars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rhgdLCAX6g

lloydroid

12-22-2012, 06:55 PM

I didn't say no Steeler fans travel, I know a ton of Charger fans that travel too. Just because you say you handle your alcohol well really means nothing. Rude behavior can easily be blamed on society today, but as I said before, it's not a "Steeler problem". It's a world wide issue because people lack self responsibility and society is rude.

It _IS_ a Steeler fan problem; they tend to be more rude than the average fan base. Not the worse - I'd give that vote to Philly fan - but they are worse than the average fan base. I have witnessed this with my own eyes.

flippy

12-22-2012, 07:11 PM

Soccer fans have been crazy since the 60s. Here's a historic look. As soon as Obama Europeanizes the US culture, this kind of violence will be sure to follow. They actually have cops, weapons, riot gear, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLE9pIueQeI

skyhawk

12-22-2012, 07:20 PM

First of all the whole myth of Steeler fans traveling so well is BS...they already live there. It's not that we travel to take over other cities, tyhe Steelers with their 6 Super Bowls makes them a huge bandwagon team, couple that with the fact that many people left western PA in the 70's and relocated all across the US, means that every NFL city already has thousands of Steeler fans already living there. Again this isn't a Steeler problem, it's an alcohol problem. When people get drunk they do stupid stuff, if they are wearing a Steeler jersey or a Raider jersey it makes no difference.

Yep. No way it's all TRAVELING fans in this economy. The Steelers fans are ALREADY there.

flippy

12-22-2012, 07:59 PM

Yep. No way it's all TRAVELING fans in this economy. The Steelers fans are ALREADY there.

Everywhere I go, I meet Steelers fans. The first time I left PA, I was 20 and went to LA. One of the first people I ran into was a bellman at a hotel. He was from Mexico, spoke broken English, but the guy lit up when he saw my Steelers shirt and was going on an on about Mean Joe being his favorite player. I don't know half of what he said, but we shared a bond.

Everywhere I've ever gone since, people always comment on my Steelers garb. A lot of people have left PA. But there are also a lot of people that grew up seeing the Steelers weekly or in SuperBowls when they were kids and they're fans as a result too.

SDSteel1

12-22-2012, 08:16 PM

It _IS_ a Steeler fan problem; they tend to be more rude than the average fan base. Not the worse - I'd give that vote to Philly fan - but they are worse than the average fan base. I have witnessed this with my own eyes.

Did you ever think that you probably witness more Steeler fans than any other NFL fan being you go to stuff where Steeler fans are? Would that make your personal test on "which NFL fans are the rudest" sort of slanted because you have a larger sampling of drunk Steeler fans in it?

Ghost

12-22-2012, 09:31 PM

I'm a huge soccer fan and I'm not a hooligan. And if you disagree, me and my 10 buddies all wearing the same jersey and carrying bats will beat you....

hawaiiansteel

12-22-2012, 09:53 PM

I'm a huge soccer fan and I'm not a hooligan. And if you disagree, me and my 10 buddies all wearing the same jersey and carrying bats will beat you....

:D

a couple of years ago there was a soccer game between England and Italy and their fans were shooting roman candles across the field at each other...

flippy

12-22-2012, 11:48 PM

I'm a huge soccer fan and I'm not a hooligan. And if you disagree, me and my 10 buddies all wearing the same jersey and carrying bats will beat you....