"They will assess the uninsured costs incurred by state and local entities".What about the uninsured costs of the tax payers? We have to fix things our of our own pocket. And to top it off our taxes will be eventually raised to cover the cost of this so called disaster.

Agreed.

The "Nanny State" strikes again. Other legitimate government services will go without, so that the government can give handouts to those who were unprepared to take care of themselves, and are looking to lay blame squarely upon anyone but themselves for the consequences of their inaction.

What's more, very few of the people who get a handout will use it to become truly prepared, and we will be revisiting the same issue again in the future.

<quoted text>Agreed.The "Nanny State" strikes again. Other legitimate government services will go without, so that the government can give handouts to those who were unprepared to take care of themselves, and are looking to lay blame squarely upon anyone but themselves for the consequences of their inaction.What's more, very few of the people who get a handout will use it to become truly prepared, and we will be revisiting the same issue again in the future.

"They will assess the uninsured costs incurred by state and local entities".What about the uninsured costs of the tax payers? We have to fix things our of our own pocket. And to top it off our taxes will be eventually raised to cover the cost of this so called disaster.

Agreed.

If you were unprepared it was your own fault.

The "Nanny State" strikes again. Other legitimate government services will go without, so that the government can give handouts to those who were unprepared to take care of themselves, and are looking to lay blame squarely upon anyone but themselves for the consequences of their inaction.

What's more, very few of the people who get a handout will use it to become truly prepared, and we will be revisiting the same issue again in the future.

We need to eliminate all emergency services to these slackers who think they should get help.

If your power goes out you should have had a generator. Gas out? You should have had back up supplies or alternative.

A local responds.Seems the Federal EPA shutdown 5 coal fired generating stations- 2 in Texas. Meanwhile POTUS requested and received a waiver on a GE, built or in the process, coal fired generating station, while he appointed the GE CEO to his Economic Advisory Council and we wonder why the Texas Natural Gas pumping stations didn't have enough electrical power to pump Natural Gas to New Mexico. Seems they didn't have any problems supplying electricity to the Super Bowl.

Why is Alamogordo claiming disaster? The city was open for business, as usual...the county closed all their offices but not city offices.All other cities - Las Cruces, Socorro, etc., all closed their offices to minimize the draw on natural gas and use of water -- but NOT ALAMOGORDO?Why? Dollars lost from potential visitors? Please, it was 15 degrees outside!Why is Alamogordo claiming disaster aid?

Because we were a disaster before the disaster hit.We are just like a flat broke bum on a street corner, with a cup in our hands.We need that $50K Flagpole badly! And don't forget our Cookie Factory, we need to get that fired back up too. If the Cookies don't sell, the NHL can still use them.

<quoted text>Agreed.If you were unprepared it was your own fault.The "Nanny State" strikes again. Other legitimate government services will go without, so that the government can give handouts to those who were unprepared to take care of themselves, and are looking to lay blame squarely upon anyone but themselves for the consequences of their inaction.What's more, very few of the people who get a handout will use it to become truly prepared, and we will be revisiting the same issue again in the future.We need to eliminate all emergency services to these slackers who think they should get help.If your power goes out you should have had a generator. Gas out? You should have had back up supplies or alternative.To cold? move.

Why is Alamogordo claiming disaster? The city was open for business, as usual...the county closed all their offices but not city offices.All other cities - Las Cruces, Socorro, etc., all closed their offices to minimize the draw on natural gas and use of water -- but NOT ALAMOGORDO?Why? Dollars lost from potential visitors? Please, it was 15 degrees outside!Why is Alamogordo claiming disaster aid?

Typical conservatives crying about the Feds but they want their handouts with extras!

Which handouts in particular are conservatives asking for?

When I bought my house in Farmington, I found the laundry room, which was in a separate building, to be unheated. The first two winters, no less than two washing machines froze up and broke. I purchased replacement washing machines, the government did not. Then, I purchased a supply of washing machine pumps, to replace them myself when they froze and broke. I paid for them, not the government. I also found that the water pipes can freeze and break, so I bought an electric heater for the room the washer was in. I paid for the heater, not the government. I also paid the electric bill to run the heater, not the government. During power outages, I found that the electric heater would not work, and the pipes would still freeze and break. I replaced the broken pipes myself, and I paid for them, not the government. I eventually decided that natural gas would be cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable, so I ran a gas line to the shed. I dug the trench, and I paid the expense to put in the gas line, not the government. I also pay the gas bill, not the government. Around 2006, I decided that the possibility exists that both the electric, and the natural gas, could fail. I purchased a portable kerosene heater for the shed with my own money, not the government's money. The kerosene heater has been sitting in the shed, back in the original box, after I checked to see if all the parts were there, ever since. I, not the government, paid for the can of kerosene to run that heater if the need arises.

Between the house, which is heated primarily by wood, with a natural gas furnace for backup, and the shed, which is primarily heated by natural gas, with electric and kerosene backup, I have no less than four separate heat sources: wood, natural gas, electric, and kerosene. The electric and kerosene heaters are portable, therefore can be interchanged between both the house and the seperate building where the laundry room is located.

The government has not paid for a single one of them, nor were they asked to.

Where do you find Kerosene? That, and what ever happened to "White Gas"?

It's getting tough to find kerosene at the pump. I used to buy it at a local petroleum products outfit, but they discontinued it a while back (If I had known they were going to do that, I would have been more careful about using my supply to start bonfires!) So now the only place I can currently find it is in 5 gallon cans at places like Home Depot or Lowe's, and it's far more expensive that way.

Used to be you could use one of the diesels, No.1 "winter diesel" I believe, as a replacement, but with all the environmental crap they've added that adulterates the pure fuel, it's no good to use anymore..I guess it will do in a pinch, but it loads up the wick with all the impurities.

White gas is one of the cleaner burning fuels around for heat and light. Coleman got it's start making household lamps and stoves that ran on white gas, prior to electrification. I've run into abandoned backcountry cabins in the desert, where there was no firewood, that still have Coleman house-sized stoves, complete with ovens, that ran on white gas. I'm old school and still use my Coleman white gas stoves and lanterns, even though most folks have switched to propane. Just seems to me all of those throw-away steel propane containers are a waste, and it takes a lot of them to equal the energy in one gallon of Coleman fuel. Not to mention a square gallon of Coleman "white gas" will stay put in the Jeep, while those round propane canisters want to roll all over the place.

Where do you find Kerosene? That, and what ever happened to "White Gas"?

You can fnd them both at Wal Mart. I get my K1 Kerosene from the local Chevron jobber who orders it by the five gallon bucket. You can also get K2 at most rental outfits. They use it for pressure washers and big space heaters. It is a little smellier and not quite as many BTUs as K1.

White gas is availaboe at most grocery stores in one galln cans. Wal Mart, and all sporting good stores. You can by a filter that you can run unleaded gasoline through that will give you a cheap alternative. Again it is smellier, cruds up your generator faster, and does not get as hot as "white gas".

Most good hardware stores have both too.

Propane is sweet. Since the "Blue Rhino" came to town it offers everyone an easy and reliable alternative. A radiant heater is great. A small propane stove top is super efficient and a propane refrigerator/freezer runs forever on a small flame. I always keep a couple of bottles handy and the exchange bottles are availaboe everywhere.

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