As an admin. I feel as though I probably should close this thread or at the very least move it to the knee jerk thread.

As a fellow fan, sadly, I agree (at the moment)

pwee31

02-15-2012, 08:53 PM

Feel we just need more depth. Really shows with Granger and Hill out, and George in foul trouble. I mean we have our 5th wing last year as a starter tonight, and our 3rd/4th PG from last year as our 1st guard off the bench playing the 2 guard in recent games.

Rush and Dunleavy would both be nice on nights like this

DocHolliday

02-15-2012, 08:54 PM

Player waived! As Paul left the court, he waved...sry mispelt lolomgoops.

vnzla81

02-15-2012, 08:55 PM

Feel we just need more depth. Really shows with Granger and Hill out, and George in foul trouble. I mean we have our 5th wing last year as a starter tonight, and our 3rd/4th PG from last year as our 1st guard off the bench playing the 2 guard in recent games.

Rush and Dunleavy would both be nice on nights like this

Huh? we had nights like this last year and Suckleavy and Rush were in our team.

presto123

02-15-2012, 08:55 PM

Feel we just need more depth. Really shows with Granger and Hill out, and George in foul trouble. I mean we have our 5th wing last year as a starter tonight, and our 3rd/4th PG from last year as our 1st guard off the bench playing the 2 guard in recent games.

Rush and Dunleavy would both be nice on nights like this

We miss Dun's shooting badly.

imbtyler

02-15-2012, 08:56 PM

As long as the trade sends Dumbtay Jones out of here, then fine. If you want to know why, ask Stephen Hawking, he seems to know a lot about black holes.

pwee31

02-15-2012, 08:58 PM

Huh? we had nights like this last year and Suckleavy and Rush were in our team.

Totally missing the point, which with you doesn't surprise me. Just saying with our 3 best wings out (2 injured, 1 foul trouble) having Rush or Dunleavy would be nice. Both players were capable on a given night and would help this team depth wise.

I truly understand there shortcomings and why they're no longer with the team. Just saying

Shade

02-15-2012, 09:00 PM

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1191506948/steve-nash.jpg

LucasRL13

02-15-2012, 09:17 PM

Nash 3 minutes, and 5 assists....

vnzla81

02-15-2012, 09:21 PM

Totally missing the point, which with you doesn't surprise me. Just saying with our 3 best wings out (2 injured, 1 foul trouble) having Rush or Dunleavy would be nice. Both players were capable on a given night and would help this team depth wise.

I truly understand there shortcomings and why they're no longer with the team. Just saying

Yeah we don't win either game with either one of them in our team and before anybody even mentions Josh, yes we don't win with him either, this is bigger than not having two bench players.

Shade

02-15-2012, 09:31 PM

Nash 3 minutes, and 5 assists....

If he's willing to sign an extension with us, I'd be willing to offer DC and our #1 for him.

PacerPenguins

02-15-2012, 09:32 PM

I WANT STEVE NASH NOAWWW!!!

pwee31

02-15-2012, 09:35 PM

Yeah we don't win either game with either one of them in our team and before anybody even mentions Josh, yes we don't win with him either, this is bigger than not having two bench players.

Still missing the point. I thought I had you blocked? :confused:

Ratking

02-15-2012, 09:35 PM

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1191506948/steve-nash.jpg

Depends on what we would need to give up. I'd rather make a trade that benefits us for more than 2 years. The last few games tell me we are still in a development phase, not in a position where we are a Nash away from being a contender.

The trade might put us as a top 4 team in the East again, but is that worth it? I'd say yes if it would push us into the top 2 spots for the next two years, but I don't think it would.

You think they would take 2012,14,16 1st rnd picks and Kobe Jones for him.

RLeWorm

02-15-2012, 10:15 PM

trade DC, Jones.

IndySDExport

02-15-2012, 10:18 PM

trade DC, Jones.

I bet people are lining up at the door to get there hands on them.

Ratking

02-15-2012, 10:20 PM

Maybe Knicks would be willing to part with Melo to make room for Lin-ception.

Granger and our 1st?

DGPR

02-15-2012, 10:21 PM

We need a scorer in the worst way, but we also need to play some damn defense!

ballism

02-15-2012, 10:27 PM

You think they would take 2012,14,16 1st rnd picks and Kobe Jones for him.

I think they might take Tracy George and Roy Ming for him.
But that's not the player we need.

graphic-er

02-15-2012, 10:40 PM

Monta Ellis? Hmmm Trade them Roy Hibbert, and then sign Kris Kamen in the offseason? Might be worth it.

LA_Confidential

02-15-2012, 10:45 PM

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1191506948/steve-nash.jpg

Thank goodness for league pass. I watch every Suns game I can just to imagine what Nash would look like dishing to our squad. And don't laugh but I'd seriously consider taking back Channing Frye to get him.

HC

02-15-2012, 11:09 PM

Bird expects 34-38 wins out of this team. I don't see him panicking, but there has to be some moves out there that could improve this team.

That's sure to work!
Well... guess I'm officially an outsider.... since you guys obviously aren't sharing what you're smoking with me. Or, should I just assume it hasn't made its way around to me just yet?

vnzla81

02-16-2012, 12:41 AM

Didn't Danny Granger outscore that guy earlier this season? ;)

Yep he outscore the 3rd best small guard in the league one time big deal :tongue:

The Sleeze

02-16-2012, 09:43 AM

Didn't Danny Granger outscore that guy earlier this season? ;)

Yes, and since they would be on the same team those scores would be added together instead of offsetting each other.

crazylikeafox

02-16-2012, 12:09 PM

Why do you "sell your soul" for that? He has been a part of one winning season in the NBA and that team was led by Baron Davis.

Yep. Available, too. You sell your soul for that. Its automatic.

vnzla81

02-16-2012, 12:41 PM

:nod:

Marqus (MN)

Should the Wolves target M. Ellis instead?

John Hollinger (12:40 PM)

No, he'd be a terrible fit. Actually, I struggle to think of places where he'd really be a good fit.... maybe Indiana.

Sparhawk

02-16-2012, 12:42 PM

Let me get this straight. If you had to decide between Nash (a proven winner) and Monta (who hasn't done ****), who would you choose?

My money is on Nash. I'd take a 50 year old Nash coming out of retirement than Monta.

I would love for the Pacers to get Nash and Lopez.

Peck

02-16-2012, 12:54 PM

:nod:

Marqus (MN)

Should the Wolves target M. Ellis instead?

John Hollinger (12:40 PM)

No, he'd be a terrible fit. Actually, I struggle to think of places where he'd really be a good fit.... maybe Indiana.

This doesn't forward your idea though. The fact that he can't think of a team he fits in with but then throws in Indiana as a maybe tells me that there is a problem with Ellis.

vnzla81

02-16-2012, 01:10 PM

This doesn't forward your idea though. The fact that he can't think of a team he fits in with but then throws in Indiana as a maybe tells me that there is a problem with Ellis.

That's because many teams have point guards that need the ball in their hands to be effective and I suspect that he knows that we don't have anybody that can create their own shot or are as effective as Monta with the ball in their hands.

Just look at all the starting point guards or guards that need the ball in their hands to be effective: Rubio, Nash, Westbrook, Rose, Irving, Wade, Dwill, Lin, etc, etc, yeah I agree with him there aren't many teams where a guy like Monta could be as effective as he could be here, call me crazy but if we get him and we don't move either PG or Danny(just dreaming here) I start Monta at the 1 and never look back, he could be as good as Westbrook and Rose in my opinion, he was getting close to 7apg as their PG before Curry came back.

pacergod2

02-16-2012, 03:10 PM

I would prefer Monta over Nash. Not because Nash isn't a great player, or the player whose style I prefer.

We have a severe need for someone who can get their points off the dribble. Collison does this depending on the matchup and typically gets killed on the defensive end. Monta is a better defender than Nash (and Collison) and provides us the scoring we desperately lack. Monta opens up spacing by getting into the heart of the defense and making plays off of that. Is he a bit of a ball hog, yes, but he has been much better with other scorers around him in the last two years. I think Monta would be a great fit for us. The biggest reason I want Monta over Nash is their huge age difference. I don't want to give up something for a guy who might have two more years of effective basketball left. Monta fits our team's age range and gives us the scoring that Nash doesn't. The argument of Nash making other players around him better I get, but Monta will do the same (though not as well) and give us a better scoring option in the meantime. I'd make a deal for Monta assuming he doesn't have any red flags for us to acquire him.

Maybe something along the lines of:

Collison to NO, Tyler, Kaman, and a first of ours to GS for Monta and McGuire (as a roster filler)

vnzla81

02-16-2012, 03:26 PM

I agree with what you are saying Pacergod2 but I think that to make a deal happen with GS we would probably have to take into Biedrin's contract, maybe DC to NO, Kaman+Tyler to GS Monta Biedrins to the Pacers.

Monta, PG, Danny, West, Hibbert.

Magic P

02-16-2012, 03:35 PM

Put me into the acquiring Monta camp.

AesopRockOn

02-16-2012, 03:42 PM

What a few games does to PD! Two weeks ago, 90% of these posts would be mundane fodder for the Knee Jerk thread. I'm super bummed out about this team right now, but wow.

Banta

02-16-2012, 03:44 PM

I don't know if all this Monta Ellis talk is just dreaming or if there is a real possibility he could be obtained by Bird, but adding a player with that kind of offensive prowess would change the culture in what I expect is a positive way. Frankly, I don't know of any other player legitimately available who could have a major impact on this club.

ErikD.

02-16-2012, 04:09 PM

:boxer:
Maybe Knicks would be willing to part with Melo to make room for Lin-ception.

Granger and our 1st?

ballism

02-16-2012, 04:38 PM

I agree with what you are saying Pacergod2 but I think that to make a deal happen with GS we would probably have to take into Biedrin's contract, maybe DC to NO, Kaman+Tyler to GS Monta Biedrins to the Pacers.

Monta, PG, Danny, West, Hibbert.

Kaman+Tyler seems way too cheap.
keep in mind, they can just amnesty Biedrins. So this whole thing would start to make sense if they had a Scrooge McDuck for an owner. from basketball point of view / clearing cap point of view it's a horrible trade for GSW.

Ratking

02-16-2012, 04:39 PM

Maybe we should just sign A.I. and Agent Zero: Team Repentance. That would spark some life into our second unit. Nothing like the threat of guns in a locker room to re-focus a ball club.