The focus was the emergence of Batman in Gotham, if B89 isn't an origin, then YO wouldn't be an origin either.

That's not what qualifies an origin story. An origin story is about how the hero came to be. In Batman, he's already Batman by the time the film starts. Batman: Year One shows much more of Bruce's evolution towards becoming Batman much more by comparison.

The focus was the emergence of Batman in Gotham, if B89 isn't an origin, then YO wouldn't be an origin either.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

Well, Bruce's parents' murder is shown, but it's a short flashback, and Bruce's training is not shown at all. That, and Sam Hamm and Tim Burton's intentions were to not tell an origin story.

Bruce's killing got more or less the same screentime than in Batman begins. it's not like Begins showed 30 minutes of Chill killing the Waynes while B89 30 seconds.

And then, if I'm not mistakenm Superman's training wa snot shown in STM. So, is it not an origin film wither?

Now I cannot give a damn about any director's intentions. What the movie showed was there, no more nor less. If they didn't want to show the origin, then they failed. But, if I'm not again mistaken, their intention was NOT not to show the origin but to keep it a secret while Batman was introduced to keep him a total mistery.

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Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

That's not what qualifies an origin story. An origin story is about how the hero came to be. In Batman, he's already Batman by the time the film starts. Batman: Year One shows much more of Bruce's evolution towards becoming Batman much more by comparison.

When Batman Begins starts he's half-way into Batman. We know about Bruce's parents killing through a flashback, just like, a certain other Batman movie. Same as Batman Year One.

That's not what qualifies an origin story. An origin story is about how the hero came to be. In Batman, he's already Batman by the time the film starts. Batman: Year One shows much more of Bruce's evolution towards becoming Batman much more by comparison.

YO shows more evolution sure, but Batman very much details Batman's psychological scarring and advancement from his childhood trauma to adulthood. He very much evolves and grows as a character throughout the film.

I think Thor introduced us to him and his world very well. It succeeded where GL failed, in terms of "out there" concepts being executed well. It was also a great origin for Loki as well. It was his path towards villainy as much as it was Thor's towards heroism.

I liked Thor. It takes the superhero origin formula and puts it into a unique environment. I think Spiderman is, by itself, a better film than BB. It really set the paradigm for origin stories in the 21st century.

But if you look at BB as in the first chapter of TDK saga, it makes much more sense has merit by that standard. The themes aren't as deep in Spiderman, but it's engaging, well-cast, and the action is tops. Also, despite a lighthearted atmosphere, it still does have a little substance.