since no one has touched this yet, in the starting quest, you talk to the emperor, that gets you 250 (i think) repthe only other way is killing the yanguol ...and probably ordos

also (not sure if this has been covered yet or not0

SPOILER!!!!

the new warchief is who i was rooting for all along, Vol'jin! and Varian is a king alliance can be proud of in the cut scenes

End of spoiler

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Alliance being proud of Varian? You must not know the same playerbase I do. I have read (and not on the official forums) players arguing Varian should have had the new Warchief-BEG- for mercy, or that they should have made Org a new internment camp.

Also, I really did like that cinematic. Hoping Jaina sin't on the fast track to raid-boss-dom, and she'll merely be a foil for future Alliance stories.

When that day comes, seek all the light and wonder of this world, and fight.

Quite what I was hoping for. Satisfied with the ending, both horde and alliance wise, and quite "proud" of Wrynn's decision. Merciful, reasonable, but still yet stable and strong.

Totally loving the ending of the Pandaria storyline which has been awesome all along the expansion. Hope next expansion will be on par with this.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

It's just that she'd be that much more interesting in an agressive position where all her smarts would be shown. Make her the human face of a peaceful revolt against Varian, deeming him unfit because he spared the Horde and refuses to make "the hard choice". Throw Genn and Tyrande in, tear the dwarves apart AGAIN on the issue. In short, make the Alliance intersting because of the Alliance, not because the Horde forces them to be interesting.

When that day comes, seek all the light and wonder of this world, and fight.

Jaina to me seembs like becoming the "sylvanas" of the alliance, wanting to DESTROY the enemies, not giving a fuck about the how.

Though at this point, some tbc/wotlk locations make absolutely no sense time/lorewise, they should really get a bit of time to give a fix to the horrible anacronysm of the areas.

I liked what someone suggested on the forums (that got actually a blue reply saying it's a valid idea), to create a whole new content to level through 60-80, and let players visit TBC/WotLK areas through caverns of time if they fancyed.However that would really literally require a whole expansion so doubt it will actually happen.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

At least Thrall wasn't some whining psychotic bitch. Probably would enjoy it as much as Garrosh.. maybe more.

Speaking of Go'el, he got some pretty nice characterization this time around. He's cleary no longer the guy that washed up on the Barrens, or even the one we met at the Maelstrom. He "feels" older, more weary, not as gentle as his Cataclysm persona, but not quite as bright-eyed as the Warchief he was.

When that day comes, seek all the light and wonder of this world, and fight.

At least Thrall wasn't some whining psychotic bitch. Probably would enjoy it as much as Garrosh.. maybe more.

Speaking of Go'el, he got some pretty nice characterization this time around. He's cleary no longer the guy that washed up on the Barrens, or even the one we met at the Maelstrom. He "feels" older, more weary, not as gentle as his Cataclysm persona, but not quite as bright-eyed as the Warchief he was.

Definitely not as gentle as in Cataclysm, he wanted to smash Garrosh' skull in. (highlight to read the spoiler, will be visible in quotes)

From my understanding Wrynn already had in mind what to say. He was just surprised to see Voljin instead of Thrall as warchief.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Alliance being proud of Varian? You must not know the same playerbase I do. I have read (and not on the official forums) players arguing Varian should have had the new Warchief-BEG- for mercy, or that they should have made Org a new internment camp.

Also, I really did like that cinematic. Hoping Jaina sin't on the fast track to raid-boss-dom, and she'll merely be a foil for future Alliance stories.

I am conflicted about it.

On the one hand, i'm of the camp that the Horde should just gtfo all present and past Alliance held territory because seriously, we were here first and fuck the Orcs. I feel like after all the shit we endured at the hands of Garrosh's horde, we at least deserve reparations for Theramore.

On the other hand, the Horde is kind of fucked right now. The coup d'etat forces, made up almost entirely of the lesser Horde races (Forsaken, Elves, Tauren, Trolls) had to come in, with the Alliances help, and kill the majority of the Horde's military, as well as doing significant damage to their capital. There isn't much they COULD give even if they agreed to pay for Garrosh's crimes. Not to mention there really isn't anything they could do that could actually pay for the lost lives in Theramore. So it seems pointless.

As much as it pains me to say it, I can't help but feel Varian made the right call. There's no real point in sacrificing more Alliance lives to trying to crush the Horde now. The only thing I think we unequivocally should do, is get the Forsaken out of Gilneas and Hillsbrad. Varian says as much in one of the post-kill gossip boxes. If we could use the Siege of Orgrimmar as leverage to negotiate them out, or strike while they're weak to force them out, that would be optimal. (I'd love it if we could oust the Forsaken and reclaim Lordaeron/Tirisfal too, but that's probably impossible at this point.)

Really i think the Horde I hate most right now is the Forsaken/Sylvanas and her stupid plague. I have no beef with the Tauren (hohoho) and the Darkspears seem more than willing to leave us alone. The Orcs are pretty broken now and it's hard for me to care too hard about their land holdings. Same with the Goblins. The Elves of course I'm still pissed at but we have an understand and they keep to their own.

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Remember the dialogue with Voljin in 5.3: he says that "we might help each other to defeat Garrosh, but we're still enemyes".

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Sabindeus wrote:The only thing I think we unequivocally should do, is get the Forsaken out of Gilneas and Hillsbrad. Varian says as much in one of the post-kill gossip boxes. If we could use the Siege of Orgrimmar as leverage to negotiate them out, or strike while they're weak to force them out, that would be optimal. (I'd love it if we could oust the Forsaken and reclaim Lordaeron/Tirisfal too, but that's probably impossible at this point.)

Oh man, that would be awesome. Everquest actually did something like that in one of its expansions. A Frog playable race got added at one point, and the developers revamped the evil-aligned Troll starting city into a good-aligned paladin Froglok starting city. Now that caused an uproar, and in the end it only lasted a few expansions before being reverted. Good times.

Split from previous topic, feel free to talk freely as I included a [Spoilers] in the title.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Worldie wrote:Disagree about the Darkspears "willing to leave us alone".

Remember the dialogue with Voljin in 5.3: he says that "we might help each other to defeat Garrosh, but we're still enemyes".

I mean that's fair, I don't think the "enemy" status will ever go away. I guess the question is, will Varian's lack of action here end up just giving the Horde time to regroup so they can continue to wage war on the Alliance?

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Alliance being proud of Varian? You must not know the same playerbase I do. I have read (and not on the official forums) players arguing Varian should have had the new Warchief-BEG- for mercy, or that they should have made Org a new internment camp.

Also, I really did like that cinematic. Hoping Jaina sin't on the fast track to raid-boss-dom, and she'll merely be a foil for future Alliance stories.

I am conflicted about it.

On the one hand, i'm of the camp that the Horde should just gtfo all present and past Alliance held territory because seriously, we were here first and fuck the Orcs. I feel like after all the shit we endured at the hands of Garrosh's horde, we at least deserve reparations for Theramore.

On the other hand, the Horde is kind of fucked right now. The coup d'etat forces, made up almost entirely of the lesser Horde races (Forsaken, Elves, Tauren, Trolls) had to come in, with the Alliances help, and kill the majority of the Horde's military, as well as doing significant damage to their capital. There isn't much they COULD give even if they agreed to pay for Garrosh's crimes. Not to mention there really isn't anything they could do that could actually pay for the lost lives in Theramore. So it seems pointless.

As much as it pains me to say it, I can't help but feel Varian made the right call. There's no real point in sacrificing more Alliance lives to trying to crush the Horde now. The only thing I think we unequivocally should do, is get the Forsaken out of Gilneas and Hillsbrad. Varian says as much in one of the post-kill gossip boxes. If we could use the Siege of Orgrimmar as leverage to negotiate them out, or strike while they're weak to force them out, that would be optimal. (I'd love it if we could oust the Forsaken and reclaim Lordaeron/Tirisfal too, but that's probably impossible at this point.)

Really i think the Horde I hate most right now is the Forsaken/Sylvanas and her stupid plague. I have no beef with the Tauren (hohoho) and the Darkspears seem more than willing to leave us alone. The Orcs are pretty broken now and it's hard for me to care too hard about their land holdings. Same with the Goblins. The Elves of course I'm still pissed at but we have an understand and they keep to their own.

Why did you have to spoil all my agreement to your entire point by dissing elves :'-(But yeah, some serious anti Forsaken action is more than due.

When that day comes, seek all the light and wonder of this world, and fight.