A Group of Ice and Fire

From North beyond the Wall to the deepest depths of the Red Waste, all people of Westeros and the Free Cities are welcome here in our little group. We discuss any and all things related to A Song of Ice and Fire, along with the HBO series Game of Thrones.

Anyway, chat away, but please try and keep your topics related to stuff that was discussed in book 2 of A Song of Ice and Fire series in this particular forum. If you want to discuss the other books or shows, or even just a free for all discussion, please use the following threads.

A Clash of Kings

A storm of Swords

A Feast for Crows

A Dance with Dragons

The Winds of Winter

A Dream of Spring

A Song of Ice and Fire(anything goes for the novels, SPOILERS abound if you have not read all the books)

HBO SHOW

Game of Thrones Season 1

Game of Thrones Season 2

Series overall(anything goes for the show, SPOILERS abound if have not watched all seasons)

The Books and The Show(for those who have read every word thrice, paid for multiple years of HBO for two months per year of use, this is where all things ASoIaF and GoT are discussed. Warning, SPOILERS for all books and the shows are within.

I just finished A Clash of Kings about 2 days ago (and I'm already on on like page 300 of A Storm of Swords) and I just want to say that I liked the second book a bit more than I did the first, but I didn't appreciate most of the plot twists, considering I watched the HBO show before I started either book.

The only plot twist I had a problem with was Renly's death. They built him up to be a strong contender and he is... abruptly killed by Stannis' shadow. While the whole Shadow assassin thing is cool I think GRRM could have delivered it better

The only thing that bothered me was Theon's betrayal. We barely get to know the guy and then he just straight up betrays the Starks. A bit more build up would have been nice, like him advising Robb or something solidifying their friendsip. It would have made the twist much better