Services

Drunks put York A&E department under pressure

A CONSULTANT working at York's accident and emergency department has spoken out after it was inundated with drunk patients at the weekend.

On Saturday night the department at York Hospital was inundated with 85 ambulances - the same number as seen at Leeds General Infirmary - and at one stage had 40 patients needing to be seen.

More than half were believed to be there for alcohol related matters, including assaults and illness relating to intoxication, and staff faced verbal abuse with security having to be called.

During the evening the forecourt in front of A&E was also reported to have been littered with alcohol cans and bottles which hospital staff were left to clear up.

Dr Manish Gaur, a consultant working in A&E at the weekend, said the pressure on A&E was "considerably worse" than a usual busy Saturday night.

He said: " It was very busy and it was a lot of pressure on our staff and all the resources. I suspect it was the same for the police in the town. Obviously we had to deal with the critical patients first, it was a lot of pressure.

"I suspect more that 50 per cent of the workload was due to alcohol.

"People have an expectation from the NHS and the hospital to address their needs but the public also needs to accept responsibility to their attitude to drinking."

Dr Gaur said staff had worked admirably under pressure. He said: "Our staff face verbal abuse and our staff try to keep the situation calm and act in the best interest of the patient.

"Our staff have high standards and professional values."

Between 9pm and 12am the A&E department saw 34 patients during a time. Typically they would expect 15 to 20 during that time.

Between midnight and 3am an additional 20 patients headed in to the department.

Dr Gaur said he did believe some of the patients had started drinking at Saturday's races.

However, James Brennan head of marketing at York Racecourse, said many people would have been in the city enjoying the good weather and said the racecourse was strictly held to account by the licensing department. He said a wide spectrum of society went to the races, which finished in the early evening, and that problems could be indicative of "wider society challenges".

Police arrested 20 people on Saturday. There were 26 arrests on Sunday, starting from 12.01am. Police dealt with one fight outside outside Popworld where the numbers involved ran into the double figures.

On Saturday between 3pm and 4am the following morning, North Yorkshire Police attended 36 incidents across York which were alcohol related. The same time on the previous weekend police attended 19 alcohol related incidents across York.

Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing, cabinet member for homes and safer communities, said: “The council leader and I will be meeting with the Police and Crime Commissioner soon and will discuss how the council can work with and support the Police in addressing alcohol-related anti-social behaviour problems in the city centre.

“We want to support all licensed premises, including corner shops, supermarkets, restaurants and public houses who are working hard to run a business but do need to look at licence reviews where there is evidence of licensees not operating responsibly, however small in number they may be. We have asked for a representative from the York Licensed Victuallers Association to join the Council’s night-time economy group and look forward to their participation”.

But the unit was not in York on Saturday because specialist staff were needed to work in other areas, Yorkshire Ambulance Service said.

A spokeswoman said: “The community medical unit is a resource requiring specialist staff and is additional to our core mobile resources. It is not always possible to have the unit in place. We do our best to run it as often as possible, but cannot always guarantee its availability.”

Yesterday York Central MP, Hugh Bayley visited the unit to hear how emergency care practitioners can assess, treat and discharge patients with minor illnesses or injuries with the intention of reducing admissions to hospital.

Comments

thedrof
12:38pm Tue 29 Jul 14

40,000 at the race course on Saturday. Maybe York hospital will have to look the racing fixtures and in future and put on extra staff. Though the Race Course, if they were socially responsible, should look at funding late night care in the city centre for people who get too drunk.

40,000 at the race course on Saturday. Maybe York hospital will have to look the racing fixtures and in future and put on extra staff. Though the Race Course, if they were socially responsible, should look at funding late night care in the city centre for people who get too drunk.thedrof

40,000 at the race course on Saturday. Maybe York hospital will have to look the racing fixtures and in future and put on extra staff. Though the Race Course, if they were socially responsible, should look at funding late night care in the city centre for people who get too drunk.

Score: 49

Y.I.P.
12:40pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Its a complete disgrace,York is becoming a big cesspit,time those in authority got a grip,we need to change things lets start by dumping the useless councillors next may vote Y.I.P.

Its a complete disgrace,York is becoming a big cesspit,time those in authority got a grip,we need to change things lets start by dumping the useless councillors next may vote Y.I.P.Y.I.P.

Its a complete disgrace,York is becoming a big cesspit,time those in authority got a grip,we need to change things lets start by dumping the useless councillors next may vote Y.I.P.

Score: 36

Salsaman
12:43pm Tue 29 Jul 14

These people that are taken to A&E with illness relating to alcohol intoxication, they should be made to pay for the salaries of all the agencies who are involved in their admission to A&E. If they were presented with a bill for the cost of the ambulance crew, control room staff, nurses, Dr, police officers, etc., then a bill for the thick end of £1000 for a night out might make then think more about how much they drink, or can afford to drink.

These people that are taken to A&E with illness relating to alcohol intoxication, they should be made to pay for the salaries of all the agencies who are involved in their admission to A&E. If they were presented with a bill for the cost of the ambulance crew, control room staff, nurses, Dr, police officers, etc., then a bill for the thick end of £1000 for a night out might make then think more about how much they drink, or can afford to drink.Salsaman

These people that are taken to A&E with illness relating to alcohol intoxication, they should be made to pay for the salaries of all the agencies who are involved in their admission to A&E. If they were presented with a bill for the cost of the ambulance crew, control room staff, nurses, Dr, police officers, etc., then a bill for the thick end of £1000 for a night out might make then think more about how much they drink, or can afford to drink.

Score: 86

Jackanory2
12:48pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Y.I.P. wrote…

Its a complete disgrace,York is becoming a big cesspit,time those in authority got a grip,we need to change things lets start by dumping the useless councillors next may vote Y.I.P.

Really! Have you ever lived or visited any where else?

[quote][p][bold]Y.I.P.[/bold] wrote:
Its a complete disgrace,York is becoming a big cesspit,time those in authority got a grip,we need to change things lets start by dumping the useless councillors next may vote Y.I.P.[/p][/quote]Really! Have you ever lived or visited any where else?Jackanory2

Y.I.P. wrote…

Its a complete disgrace,York is becoming a big cesspit,time those in authority got a grip,we need to change things lets start by dumping the useless councillors next may vote Y.I.P.

Really! Have you ever lived or visited any where else?

Score: -24

Jackanory2
12:49pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Salsaman wrote…

These people that are taken to A&E with illness relating to alcohol intoxication, they should be made to pay for the salaries of all the agencies who are involved in their admission to A&E. If they were presented with a bill for the cost of the ambulance crew, control room staff, nurses, Dr, police officers, etc., then a bill for the thick end of £1000 for a night out might make then think more about how much they drink, or can afford to drink.

A little over the top but you have made a good point, they should be charged if proven to be drunk.

[quote][p][bold]Salsaman[/bold] wrote:
These people that are taken to A&E with illness relating to alcohol intoxication, they should be made to pay for the salaries of all the agencies who are involved in their admission to A&E. If they were presented with a bill for the cost of the ambulance crew, control room staff, nurses, Dr, police officers, etc., then a bill for the thick end of £1000 for a night out might make then think more about how much they drink, or can afford to drink.[/p][/quote]A little over the top but you have made a good point, they should be charged if proven to be drunk.Jackanory2

Salsaman wrote…

These people that are taken to A&E with illness relating to alcohol intoxication, they should be made to pay for the salaries of all the agencies who are involved in their admission to A&E. If they were presented with a bill for the cost of the ambulance crew, control room staff, nurses, Dr, police officers, etc., then a bill for the thick end of £1000 for a night out might make then think more about how much they drink, or can afford to drink.

A little over the top but you have made a good point, they should be charged if proven to be drunk.

Score: 33

Minsterred
12:51pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Err yes, the fact that Local NHS services were swamped with alcohol related problems was of course entirely unconnected to the 40,000 customers of yours of whom a large percentage left your premises already hammered at teatime! I have to admire how brazen you are with your total lack of accountability or responsibility for any problems caused after a meeting. I think Saturday was finally a turning point for the fed up residents.

Err yes, the fact that Local NHS services were swamped with alcohol related problems was of course entirely unconnected to the 40,000 customers of yours of whom a large percentage left your premises already hammered at teatime! I have to admire how brazen you are with your total lack of accountability or responsibility for any problems caused after a meeting. I think Saturday was finally a turning point for the fed up residents.Minsterred

Err yes, the fact that Local NHS services were swamped with alcohol related problems was of course entirely unconnected to the 40,000 customers of yours of whom a large percentage left your premises already hammered at teatime! I have to admire how brazen you are with your total lack of accountability or responsibility for any problems caused after a meeting. I think Saturday was finally a turning point for the fed up residents.

Score: 86

rothko
12:52pm Tue 29 Jul 14

A drunk tank should be set up to throw them all in, with nurses on duty and only serious cases taken to hospital. York Racecourse should contribute to the cost of running it.

A drunk tank should be set up to throw them all in, with nurses on duty and only serious cases taken to hospital. York Racecourse should contribute to the cost of running it.rothko

A drunk tank should be set up to throw them all in, with nurses on duty and only serious cases taken to hospital. York Racecourse should contribute to the cost of running it.

Score: 66

bolero
1:01pm Tue 29 Jul 14

So this is what racing is all about. An utter disgrace. Why should doctors and nurses dedicated to the task of tending and caring for the genuinely sick have to put up with these drunken no-goods?

So this is what racing is all about. An utter disgrace. Why should doctors and nurses dedicated to the task of tending and caring for the genuinely sick have to put up with these drunken no-goods?bolero

So this is what racing is all about. An utter disgrace. Why should doctors and nurses dedicated to the task of tending and caring for the genuinely sick have to put up with these drunken no-goods?

Score: 81

taffywilliams
1:18pm Tue 29 Jul 14

It is not only agencies that have to put up with drunks and louts. My mother put off going to A&E on a Saturday night when she suffered chest pains and breathlessness! Fortunately she survived but later was admitted. I really do not understand why people feel the need to get drunk! Surely you can have a good time without getting plastered. If not then you need help! The implications on York are dreadful. 6p.m. on a Saturday evening, drunks, hens and stags looking like tarts whilst lovely normal families with kids try to avoid them at all costs. I for one stay out of York on evenings and weekends. I am ashamed of what society is becoming. I wonder if any of these drunks go back to A&E afterwards to say thank you? guess not.

It is not only agencies that have to put up with drunks and louts. My mother put off going to A&E on a Saturday night when she suffered chest pains and breathlessness! Fortunately she survived but later was admitted. I really do not understand why people feel the need to get drunk! Surely you can have a good time without getting plastered. If not then you need help! The implications on York are dreadful. 6p.m. on a Saturday evening, drunks, hens and stags looking like tarts whilst lovely normal families with kids try to avoid them at all costs. I for one stay out of York on evenings and weekends. I am ashamed of what society is becoming. I wonder if any of these drunks go back to A&E afterwards to say thank you? guess not.taffywilliams

It is not only agencies that have to put up with drunks and louts. My mother put off going to A&E on a Saturday night when she suffered chest pains and breathlessness! Fortunately she survived but later was admitted. I really do not understand why people feel the need to get drunk! Surely you can have a good time without getting plastered. If not then you need help! The implications on York are dreadful. 6p.m. on a Saturday evening, drunks, hens and stags looking like tarts whilst lovely normal families with kids try to avoid them at all costs. I for one stay out of York on evenings and weekends. I am ashamed of what society is becoming. I wonder if any of these drunks go back to A&E afterwards to say thank you? guess not.

Score: 60

taffywilliams
1:44pm Tue 29 Jul 14

nearlyman wrote…

Perhaps the race course would be good enough to finance more staff and security on big race days...they can afford it. You cannot however start to be judgmental about who we treat when they arrive at the hospital
..prioritise yes, on the grounds of urgency.....but if we start judgmental access then smokers, alcoholics with liver disease, sportsmen and anyone who puts themselves at any sort of risk could be denied treatment

Do you not think that financing more staff is not getting to the cause of the problem. Better alcohol awareness is what is needed! Everyone I have ever seen dealing with drunks do so with compassion and care. I take my hats of to them as I could not be so caring when self inflicted! A separate center for alcohol related issues should be put in place so that everyday members of the public who are sober do not have to witness the disgraceful behavior. Don't blame the resources blame the ones who are stupid enough to get into the state they do.

[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps the race course would be good enough to finance more staff and security on big race days...they can afford it. You cannot however start to be judgmental about who we treat when they arrive at the hospital
..prioritise yes, on the grounds of urgency.....but if we start judgmental access then smokers, alcoholics with liver disease, sportsmen and anyone who puts themselves at any sort of risk could be denied treatment[/p][/quote]Do you not think that financing more staff is not getting to the cause of the problem. Better alcohol awareness is what is needed! Everyone I have ever seen dealing with drunks do so with compassion and care. I take my hats of to them as I could not be so caring when self inflicted! A separate center for alcohol related issues should be put in place so that everyday members of the public who are sober do not have to witness the disgraceful behavior. Don't blame the resources blame the ones who are stupid enough to get into the state they do.taffywilliams

nearlyman wrote…

Perhaps the race course would be good enough to finance more staff and security on big race days...they can afford it. You cannot however start to be judgmental about who we treat when they arrive at the hospital
..prioritise yes, on the grounds of urgency.....but if we start judgmental access then smokers, alcoholics with liver disease, sportsmen and anyone who puts themselves at any sort of risk could be denied treatment

Do you not think that financing more staff is not getting to the cause of the problem. Better alcohol awareness is what is needed! Everyone I have ever seen dealing with drunks do so with compassion and care. I take my hats of to them as I could not be so caring when self inflicted! A separate center for alcohol related issues should be put in place so that everyday members of the public who are sober do not have to witness the disgraceful behavior. Don't blame the resources blame the ones who are stupid enough to get into the state they do.

Score: 22

nearlyman
1:39pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Perhaps the race course would be good enough to finance more staff and security on big race days...they can afford it. You cannot however start to be judgmental about who we treat when they arrive at the hospital
..prioritise yes, on the grounds of urgency.....but if we start judgmental access then smokers, alcoholics with liver disease, sportsmen and anyone who puts themselves at any sort of risk could be denied treatment

Perhaps the race course would be good enough to finance more staff and security on big race days...they can afford it. You cannot however start to be judgmental about who we treat when they arrive at the hospital
..prioritise yes, on the grounds of urgency.....but if we start judgmental access then smokers, alcoholics with liver disease, sportsmen and anyone who puts themselves at any sort of risk could be denied treatmentnearlyman

Perhaps the race course would be good enough to finance more staff and security on big race days...they can afford it. You cannot however start to be judgmental about who we treat when they arrive at the hospital
..prioritise yes, on the grounds of urgency.....but if we start judgmental access then smokers, alcoholics with liver disease, sportsmen and anyone who puts themselves at any sort of risk could be denied treatment

Score: 20

Digeorge
1:47pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Minsterred

It's not by teatime, its by lunch-time! They should be sent the bill for the services rendered.

taffywilliams says

Agree about the hens and stags and avoid York, 1st thing on a Saturday morning York is good as avoid the rest as they start at lunch-time.

111 is a better way to deal with chest pains and breathlessness. I had a good service from it and was admitted as Mrs complex patients straight onto the ward as agreed with my doctors and the implementation of my care pathways. One time though it didn't work as had to go though A&E was not as good as should have admitted me on to AMU as agreed by the Clinical Director of A& and my consultants.

Minsterred
It's not by teatime, its by lunch-time! They should be sent the bill for the services rendered.
taffywilliams says
Agree about the hens and stags and avoid York, 1st thing on a Saturday morning York is good as avoid the rest as they start at lunch-time.
111 is a better way to deal with chest pains and breathlessness. I had a good service from it and was admitted as Mrs complex patients straight onto the ward as agreed with my doctors and the implementation of my care pathways. One time though it didn't work as had to go though A&E was not as good as should have admitted me on to AMU as agreed by the Clinical Director of A& and my consultants.Digeorge

Minsterred

It's not by teatime, its by lunch-time! They should be sent the bill for the services rendered.

taffywilliams says

Agree about the hens and stags and avoid York, 1st thing on a Saturday morning York is good as avoid the rest as they start at lunch-time.

111 is a better way to deal with chest pains and breathlessness. I had a good service from it and was admitted as Mrs complex patients straight onto the ward as agreed with my doctors and the implementation of my care pathways. One time though it didn't work as had to go though A&E was not as good as should have admitted me on to AMU as agreed by the Clinical Director of A& and my consultants.

Score: 12

Yorkborneinbse
2:01pm Tue 29 Jul 14

The races at York for many, arent really about the racing at all. I'll bet 10,000 of the 40,000 never even saw a bl**dy race.
Its more about the posturing, posing, swigging as much alcohol as you can afford whilst trying to gain a mare or a filly of the 2 legged variety.
When, that fails many get stuck into more alcohol, become socially unaware, obnoxious, and evidently without much sense. A few of this group, then go on to cause absolute mayhem for others. They care not a Jot about anyone else around them, or who are trying to help them when that are incapable.
James Brannan, continues to show no concern for the effects of his marketing, and the alcohol consumed on the days of the races. If he was to pen his eyes, he may be minded to help contribute to the costs of the extra policing for example his race meetings cause.

Finally, Alcohol brings out the very worst in some, the smily, red faced, hiccoughing drunks reminiscent of Andy Cap are few and far between.
Most, are reminiscent of ar****les, cos thats exactly what many of them are.

The races at York for many, arent really about the racing at all. I'll bet 10,000 of the 40,000 never even saw a bl**dy race.
Its more about the posturing, posing, swigging as much alcohol as you can afford whilst trying to gain a mare or a filly of the 2 legged variety.
When, that fails many get stuck into more alcohol, become socially unaware, obnoxious, and evidently without much sense. A few of this group, then go on to cause absolute mayhem for others. They care not a Jot about anyone else around them, or who are trying to help them when that are incapable.
James Brannan, continues to show no concern for the effects of his marketing, and the alcohol consumed on the days of the races. If he was to pen his eyes, he may be minded to help contribute to the costs of the extra policing for example his race meetings cause.
Finally, Alcohol brings out the very worst in some, the smily, red faced, hiccoughing drunks reminiscent of Andy Cap are few and far between.
Most, are reminiscent of ar****les, cos thats exactly what many of them are.Yorkborneinbse

The races at York for many, arent really about the racing at all. I'll bet 10,000 of the 40,000 never even saw a bl**dy race.
Its more about the posturing, posing, swigging as much alcohol as you can afford whilst trying to gain a mare or a filly of the 2 legged variety.
When, that fails many get stuck into more alcohol, become socially unaware, obnoxious, and evidently without much sense. A few of this group, then go on to cause absolute mayhem for others. They care not a Jot about anyone else around them, or who are trying to help them when that are incapable.
James Brannan, continues to show no concern for the effects of his marketing, and the alcohol consumed on the days of the races. If he was to pen his eyes, he may be minded to help contribute to the costs of the extra policing for example his race meetings cause.

Finally, Alcohol brings out the very worst in some, the smily, red faced, hiccoughing drunks reminiscent of Andy Cap are few and far between.
Most, are reminiscent of ar****les, cos thats exactly what many of them are.

Score: 46

HSNYorks
2:26pm Tue 29 Jul 14

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.HSNYorks

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

Score: -32

robinbowes
2:45pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Digeorge, it's not even from lunchtime. A lot of racegoers arrive drunk. I've seen coaches from the North-East stop off in Easingwold on their way to the races. The pubs in the marketplace are rammed at 10:30 in the morning! It can only end one way.

Digeorge, it's not even from lunchtime. A lot of racegoers arrive drunk. I've seen coaches from the North-East stop off in Easingwold on their way to the races. The pubs in the marketplace are rammed at 10:30 in the morning! It can only end one way.robinbowes

Digeorge, it's not even from lunchtime. A lot of racegoers arrive drunk. I've seen coaches from the North-East stop off in Easingwold on their way to the races. The pubs in the marketplace are rammed at 10:30 in the morning! It can only end one way.

Score: 24

TheLumpster
2:37pm Tue 29 Jul 14

We must surely have reached the point where the negatives of York racecourse (drunks, traffic congestion, clogging up York A&E) now clearly outweigh the positives (employment, selling hotel rooms etc.) for residents. York Racecourse seems to be totally in denial at the extent of the problems that its crowds generate. Race days should be limited, the sale of alcohol should be limited, the numbers of racegoers should be limited and coaches / minibuses bringing people to the races be obliged to take people straight home at the end of racing, not dump them in York for a few hours to get even more drunk. The team at York racecourse needs to show a bit of leadership on this or else face the consequences via some fairly draconian restrictions.

We must surely have reached the point where the negatives of York racecourse (drunks, traffic congestion, clogging up York A&E) now clearly outweigh the positives (employment, selling hotel rooms etc.) for residents. York Racecourse seems to be totally in denial at the extent of the problems that its crowds generate. Race days should be limited, the sale of alcohol should be limited, the numbers of racegoers should be limited and coaches / minibuses bringing people to the races be obliged to take people straight home at the end of racing, not dump them in York for a few hours to get even more drunk. The team at York racecourse needs to show a bit of leadership on this or else face the consequences via some fairly draconian restrictions.TheLumpster

We must surely have reached the point where the negatives of York racecourse (drunks, traffic congestion, clogging up York A&E) now clearly outweigh the positives (employment, selling hotel rooms etc.) for residents. York Racecourse seems to be totally in denial at the extent of the problems that its crowds generate. Race days should be limited, the sale of alcohol should be limited, the numbers of racegoers should be limited and coaches / minibuses bringing people to the races be obliged to take people straight home at the end of racing, not dump them in York for a few hours to get even more drunk. The team at York racecourse needs to show a bit of leadership on this or else face the consequences via some fairly draconian restrictions.

Score: 37

Tug job
3:35pm Tue 29 Jul 14

HSNYorks wrote…

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

Does the racecourse have to sell alcohol? It would be interesting to see what the effects of a "dry" meeting would be, by way of a comparison with a "normal" meeting. Anyone who appeared to be under the influence would be refused admission.

[quote][p][bold]HSNYorks[/bold] wrote:
I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.[/p][/quote]Does the racecourse have to sell alcohol? It would be interesting to see what the effects of a "dry" meeting would be, by way of a comparison with a "normal" meeting. Anyone who appeared to be under the influence would be refused admission.Tug job

HSNYorks wrote…

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

Does the racecourse have to sell alcohol? It would be interesting to see what the effects of a "dry" meeting would be, by way of a comparison with a "normal" meeting. Anyone who appeared to be under the influence would be refused admission.

Score: 26

Digeorge
2:53pm Tue 29 Jul 14

robinbowes, quite agree I forgot the No 4 bus first thing in the morning (before 10.30)!!! Avoid it like the plague on a race day.

Mind you have to say the Beach Boys Free Concert for all of York or rather most of them was a good night!! Whether you like Beach Boys or not, you were going to hear it until 11 pm in your living room.

robinbowes, quite agree I forgot the No 4 bus first thing in the morning (before 10.30)!!! Avoid it like the plague on a race day.
Mind you have to say the Beach Boys Free Concert for all of York or rather most of them was a good night!! Whether you like Beach Boys or not, you were going to hear it until 11 pm in your living room.Digeorge

robinbowes, quite agree I forgot the No 4 bus first thing in the morning (before 10.30)!!! Avoid it like the plague on a race day.

Mind you have to say the Beach Boys Free Concert for all of York or rather most of them was a good night!! Whether you like Beach Boys or not, you were going to hear it until 11 pm in your living room.

Score: 8

yorkshirelad
3:41pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Britain largely confronted and dealt with the negative side of football crowds but what is really astonishing is how gently the races troublemakers are dealt with. Football clubs were also left in no doubt that they had a major responsibility to take various measures to prevent trouble... so mostly jumped to it and helped to sort the football problems Britain had in the 70s and 80s. The racecourse needs to get a grip asap because the patience of we residents is running out. This is creating reputational damage to York. The apologists talk nonsense...it is perfectly possible to have a good time and a few drinks without the mayhem.

The Racecourse should have it's alcohol license suspended for it's next meeting everytime there are significant problems in the city on racedays. Come on York council...time to confront them.

Britain largely confronted and dealt with the negative side of football crowds but what is really astonishing is how gently the races troublemakers are dealt with. Football clubs were also left in no doubt that they had a major responsibility to take various measures to prevent trouble... so mostly jumped to it and helped to sort the football problems Britain had in the 70s and 80s. The racecourse needs to get a grip asap because the patience of we residents is running out. This is creating reputational damage to York. The apologists talk nonsense...it is perfectly possible to have a good time and a few drinks without the mayhem.
The Racecourse should have it's alcohol license suspended for it's next meeting everytime there are significant problems in the city on racedays. Come on York council...time to confront them.yorkshirelad

Britain largely confronted and dealt with the negative side of football crowds but what is really astonishing is how gently the races troublemakers are dealt with. Football clubs were also left in no doubt that they had a major responsibility to take various measures to prevent trouble... so mostly jumped to it and helped to sort the football problems Britain had in the 70s and 80s. The racecourse needs to get a grip asap because the patience of we residents is running out. This is creating reputational damage to York. The apologists talk nonsense...it is perfectly possible to have a good time and a few drinks without the mayhem.

The Racecourse should have it's alcohol license suspended for it's next meeting everytime there are significant problems in the city on racedays. Come on York council...time to confront them.

Score: 28

Meirion M
3:37pm Tue 29 Jul 14

The consultant, Dr. Gaur, knows what he is talking about.
As for Brennan: he must employ security staff when the races are on, and pay the security teams to patrol around the Knavesmire and apprehend the drunks and but them into a "sin bin" until they are sober.
Stop drunks from going to the city.

The consultant, Dr. Gaur, knows what he is talking about.
As for Brennan: he must employ security staff when the races are on, and pay the security teams to patrol around the Knavesmire and apprehend the drunks and but them into a "sin bin" until they are sober.
Stop drunks from going to the city.Meirion M

The consultant, Dr. Gaur, knows what he is talking about.
As for Brennan: he must employ security staff when the races are on, and pay the security teams to patrol around the Knavesmire and apprehend the drunks and but them into a "sin bin" until they are sober.
Stop drunks from going to the city.

Score: 16

Meirion M
3:37pm Tue 29 Jul 14

The consultant, Dr. Gaur, knows what he is talking about.
As for Brennan: he must employ security staff when the races are on, and pay the security teams to patrol around the Knavesmire and apprehend the drunks and but them into a "sin bin" until they are sober.
Stop drunks from going to the city.

The consultant, Dr. Gaur, knows what he is talking about.
As for Brennan: he must employ security staff when the races are on, and pay the security teams to patrol around the Knavesmire and apprehend the drunks and but them into a "sin bin" until they are sober.
Stop drunks from going to the city.Meirion M

The consultant, Dr. Gaur, knows what he is talking about.
As for Brennan: he must employ security staff when the races are on, and pay the security teams to patrol around the Knavesmire and apprehend the drunks and but them into a "sin bin" until they are sober.
Stop drunks from going to the city.

Score: 11

PR Willey
3:54pm Tue 29 Jul 14

I would love to see the Police/Ambulance/Hos
pital staff wear body cameras for the next major race meeting, I would then like to see the footage "aired" to the wider public .
Lets all see exactly what happens in "real time" and how it is dealt with.
Camera never lies!

I would love to see the Police/Ambulance/Hos
pital staff wear body cameras for the next major race meeting, I would then like to see the footage "aired" to the wider public .
Lets all see exactly what happens in "real time" and how it is dealt with.
Camera never lies!PR Willey

I would love to see the Police/Ambulance/Hos
pital staff wear body cameras for the next major race meeting, I would then like to see the footage "aired" to the wider public .
Lets all see exactly what happens in "real time" and how it is dealt with.
Camera never lies!

Score: 27

MarkyMarkMark
4:01pm Tue 29 Jul 14

"However, James Brennan head of marketing at York Racecourse, said many people would have been in the city enjoying the good weather and said the racecourse was strictly held to account by the licensing department. He said a wide spectrum of society went to the races, which finished in the early evening, and that problems could be indicative of "wider society challenges"."

He would say that, wouldn't he?

Mr Brennan - your company and Racecourse's devotion to the drinking and gambling culture are part of the wider society challenge.

Please step up and take a lead in being part of the solution, too.

"However, James Brennan head of marketing at York Racecourse, said many people would have been in the city enjoying the good weather and said the racecourse was strictly held to account by the licensing department. He said a wide spectrum of society went to the races, which finished in the early evening, and that problems could be indicative of "wider society challenges"."
He would say that, wouldn't he?
Mr Brennan - your company and Racecourse's devotion to the drinking and gambling culture are part of the wider society challenge.
Please step up and take a lead in being part of the solution, too.MarkyMarkMark

"However, James Brennan head of marketing at York Racecourse, said many people would have been in the city enjoying the good weather and said the racecourse was strictly held to account by the licensing department. He said a wide spectrum of society went to the races, which finished in the early evening, and that problems could be indicative of "wider society challenges"."

He would say that, wouldn't he?

Mr Brennan - your company and Racecourse's devotion to the drinking and gambling culture are part of the wider society challenge.

Please step up and take a lead in being part of the solution, too.

Score: 23

bolero
4:07pm Tue 29 Jul 14

HSNYorks wrote…

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

One of the disgusting ones?

[quote][p][bold]HSNYorks[/bold] wrote:
I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.[/p][/quote]One of the disgusting ones?bolero

HSNYorks wrote…

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

One of the disgusting ones?

Score: 0

nearlyman
4:19pm Tue 29 Jul 14

taffywilliams wrote…

nearlyman wrote…

Perhaps the race course would be good enough to finance more staff and security on big race days...they can afford it. You cannot however start to be judgmental about who we treat when they arrive at the hospital
..prioritise yes, on the grounds of urgency.....but if we start judgmental access then smokers, alcoholics with liver disease, sportsmen and anyone who puts themselves at any sort of risk could be denied treatment

Do you not think that financing more staff is not getting to the cause of the problem. Better alcohol awareness is what is needed! Everyone I have ever seen dealing with drunks do so with compassion and care. I take my hats of to them as I could not be so caring when self inflicted! A separate center for alcohol related issues should be put in place so that everyday members of the public who are sober do not have to witness the disgraceful behavior. Don't blame the resources blame the ones who are stupid enough to get into the state they do.

Of course it will not get to the root of the problem, but the cat is out of the bag when it comes to drinking. People will always drink....they always have. For some it will be a one off adventure where they get paralytic but do not come to any lasting harm, for others its just another day at the office heaping up problems for the future. If you introduce prohibition, again people will get round it....they always have. So you are left with the only other course of action which is to efficiently manage the problem. Not perfect but sensible.

[quote][p][bold]taffywilliams[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps the race course would be good enough to finance more staff and security on big race days...they can afford it. You cannot however start to be judgmental about who we treat when they arrive at the hospital
..prioritise yes, on the grounds of urgency.....but if we start judgmental access then smokers, alcoholics with liver disease, sportsmen and anyone who puts themselves at any sort of risk could be denied treatment[/p][/quote]Do you not think that financing more staff is not getting to the cause of the problem. Better alcohol awareness is what is needed! Everyone I have ever seen dealing with drunks do so with compassion and care. I take my hats of to them as I could not be so caring when self inflicted! A separate center for alcohol related issues should be put in place so that everyday members of the public who are sober do not have to witness the disgraceful behavior. Don't blame the resources blame the ones who are stupid enough to get into the state they do.[/p][/quote]Of course it will not get to the root of the problem, but the cat is out of the bag when it comes to drinking. People will always drink....they always have. For some it will be a one off adventure where they get paralytic but do not come to any lasting harm, for others its just another day at the office heaping up problems for the future. If you introduce prohibition, again people will get round it....they always have. So you are left with the only other course of action which is to efficiently manage the problem. Not perfect but sensible.nearlyman

taffywilliams wrote…

nearlyman wrote…

Perhaps the race course would be good enough to finance more staff and security on big race days...they can afford it. You cannot however start to be judgmental about who we treat when they arrive at the hospital
..prioritise yes, on the grounds of urgency.....but if we start judgmental access then smokers, alcoholics with liver disease, sportsmen and anyone who puts themselves at any sort of risk could be denied treatment

Do you not think that financing more staff is not getting to the cause of the problem. Better alcohol awareness is what is needed! Everyone I have ever seen dealing with drunks do so with compassion and care. I take my hats of to them as I could not be so caring when self inflicted! A separate center for alcohol related issues should be put in place so that everyday members of the public who are sober do not have to witness the disgraceful behavior. Don't blame the resources blame the ones who are stupid enough to get into the state they do.

Of course it will not get to the root of the problem, but the cat is out of the bag when it comes to drinking. People will always drink....they always have. For some it will be a one off adventure where they get paralytic but do not come to any lasting harm, for others its just another day at the office heaping up problems for the future. If you introduce prohibition, again people will get round it....they always have. So you are left with the only other course of action which is to efficiently manage the problem. Not perfect but sensible.

Score: 0

york100
5:09pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Let's face it, nobody will do a sodding thing. The racecourse management are only interested in making money and should be ashamed of themselves ,and we all know how useless this council is when it comes to such issues.

Let's face it, nobody will do a sodding thing. The racecourse management are only interested in making money and should be ashamed of themselves ,and we all know how useless this council is when it comes to such issues.york100

Let's face it, nobody will do a sodding thing. The racecourse management are only interested in making money and should be ashamed of themselves ,and we all know how useless this council is when it comes to such issues.

Score: 21

Yorkirish
5:17pm Tue 29 Jul 14

York is fast becoming a no-go area at the weekend for any remotely sane/sober human being. Destructive, problem drinking has reached epidemic proportions and it's toleration by the powers that be is nothing short of a scandal. York races have a lot to answer for, they need to start accepting responsibility for the havoc and chaos their events routinely cause in the city. I live near the racecourse and routinely witness the results of the all day, stack em high sell-em cheap drinking culture which the race course actively encourages. The encouragement Of stag and hen do's also needs to be looked at carefully. They are no addition to the city and routinely end in violence and disorder. I teach English in York to foreign students and they are utterly appalled at the behaviour witnessed virtually every weekend. Why we continue to accept it is beyond me. York needs to be reclaimed from these idiots....

York is fast becoming a no-go area at the weekend for any remotely sane/sober human being. Destructive, problem drinking has reached epidemic proportions and it's toleration by the powers that be is nothing short of a scandal. York races have a lot to answer for, they need to start accepting responsibility for the havoc and chaos their events routinely cause in the city. I live near the racecourse and routinely witness the results of the all day, stack em high sell-em cheap drinking culture which the race course actively encourages. The encouragement Of stag and hen do's also needs to be looked at carefully. They are no addition to the city and routinely end in violence and disorder. I teach English in York to foreign students and they are utterly appalled at the behaviour witnessed virtually every weekend. Why we continue to accept it is beyond me. York needs to be reclaimed from these idiots....Yorkirish

York is fast becoming a no-go area at the weekend for any remotely sane/sober human being. Destructive, problem drinking has reached epidemic proportions and it's toleration by the powers that be is nothing short of a scandal. York races have a lot to answer for, they need to start accepting responsibility for the havoc and chaos their events routinely cause in the city. I live near the racecourse and routinely witness the results of the all day, stack em high sell-em cheap drinking culture which the race course actively encourages. The encouragement Of stag and hen do's also needs to be looked at carefully. They are no addition to the city and routinely end in violence and disorder. I teach English in York to foreign students and they are utterly appalled at the behaviour witnessed virtually every weekend. Why we continue to accept it is beyond me. York needs to be reclaimed from these idiots....

Score: 25

ndevr
5:27pm Tue 29 Jul 14

The bars and restaurants at the racecourse are actually operated by an external sub contractor , so really some of the criticism must be directed to their management.

The bars and restaurants at the racecourse are actually operated by an external sub contractor , so really some of the criticism must be directed to their management.ndevr

The bars and restaurants at the racecourse are actually operated by an external sub contractor , so really some of the criticism must be directed to their management.

Score: 10

Tug job
5:32pm Tue 29 Jul 14

It is interesting to read Mr Brennan's comments when York Racecourse advertises meetings with a picture of two young men wearing cheap-looking suits accompanied by the strap line, "a pint, a punt, a party - result". Sadly, Dr Gaur has summarised the results of excessive 'partying'.

It is interesting to read Mr Brennan's comments when York Racecourse advertises meetings with a picture of two young men wearing cheap-looking suits accompanied by the strap line, "a pint, a punt, a party - result". Sadly, Dr Gaur has summarised the results of excessive 'partying'.Tug job

It is interesting to read Mr Brennan's comments when York Racecourse advertises meetings with a picture of two young men wearing cheap-looking suits accompanied by the strap line, "a pint, a punt, a party - result". Sadly, Dr Gaur has summarised the results of excessive 'partying'.

Score: 21

Caecilius
5:39pm Tue 29 Jul 14

HSNYorks wrote…

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

If you think that most of the people who are hammered out of what passes for their brains on an average Saturday night are doing it on a one-off basis, then I'm afraid you're kidding yourself. The smokers, the obese and the diabetics, at any rate, don't reel round the streets in screaming gangs intimidating people who just want to have a peaceful evening out, nor do they generally vomit on the pavement, strew cans and bottles outside A&E, abuse hospital staff or need police officers riding herd on them at the station to protect other travellers. When York first got a racecourse is academic. The point is that race meetings are now a magnet for, and apparently marketed so as to attract, packs of unpleasant people who go there just to get plastered and then make themselves an obnoxious, drunken nuisance in the city centre. And I've lived in half a dozen other places, including Tyneside, where a lot of these individuals come from. I've got the perspective, thanks, and it doesn't make me feel any more inclined to put up with them.

[quote][p][bold]HSNYorks[/bold] wrote:
I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.[/p][/quote]If you think that most of the people who are hammered out of what passes for their brains on an average Saturday night are doing it on a one-off basis, then I'm afraid you're kidding yourself. The smokers, the obese and the diabetics, at any rate, don't reel round the streets in screaming gangs intimidating people who just want to have a peaceful evening out, nor do they generally vomit on the pavement, strew cans and bottles outside A&E, abuse hospital staff or need police officers riding herd on them at the station to protect other travellers. When York first got a racecourse is academic. The point is that race meetings are now a magnet for, and apparently marketed so as to attract, packs of unpleasant people who go there just to get plastered and then make themselves an obnoxious, drunken nuisance in the city centre. And I've lived in half a dozen other places, including Tyneside, where a lot of these individuals come from. I've got the perspective, thanks, and it doesn't make me feel any more inclined to put up with them.Caecilius

HSNYorks wrote…

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

If you think that most of the people who are hammered out of what passes for their brains on an average Saturday night are doing it on a one-off basis, then I'm afraid you're kidding yourself. The smokers, the obese and the diabetics, at any rate, don't reel round the streets in screaming gangs intimidating people who just want to have a peaceful evening out, nor do they generally vomit on the pavement, strew cans and bottles outside A&E, abuse hospital staff or need police officers riding herd on them at the station to protect other travellers. When York first got a racecourse is academic. The point is that race meetings are now a magnet for, and apparently marketed so as to attract, packs of unpleasant people who go there just to get plastered and then make themselves an obnoxious, drunken nuisance in the city centre. And I've lived in half a dozen other places, including Tyneside, where a lot of these individuals come from. I've got the perspective, thanks, and it doesn't make me feel any more inclined to put up with them.

Score: 24

Tug job
5:41pm Tue 29 Jul 14

ndevr wrote…

The bars and restaurants at the racecourse are actually operated by an external sub contractor , so really some of the criticism must be directed to their management.

They are equally to blame. The contractors and their staff for serving people who have already had too much to drink. The racecourse for encouraging excessive drinking and not managing their contractors adequately. I don't know why they can't start selling alcohol half an hour before the first race begins and stop selling alcohol just before the final race. Even better, they could issue tokens for a certain number of drinks (half of beer, small glass of wine, single measure, soft drinks) with each ticket, with pay on the day for soft drinks only. They do not have to serve alcohol. I notice there is to be a Peppa Pig family fun day on 7 September - should be interesting!

[quote][p][bold]ndevr[/bold] wrote:
The bars and restaurants at the racecourse are actually operated by an external sub contractor , so really some of the criticism must be directed to their management.[/p][/quote]They are equally to blame. The contractors and their staff for serving people who have already had too much to drink. The racecourse for encouraging excessive drinking and not managing their contractors adequately. I don't know why they can't start selling alcohol half an hour before the first race begins and stop selling alcohol just before the final race. Even better, they could issue tokens for a certain number of drinks (half of beer, small glass of wine, single measure, soft drinks) with each ticket, with pay on the day for soft drinks only. They do not have to serve alcohol. I notice there is to be a Peppa Pig family fun day on 7 September - should be interesting!Tug job

ndevr wrote…

The bars and restaurants at the racecourse are actually operated by an external sub contractor , so really some of the criticism must be directed to their management.

They are equally to blame. The contractors and their staff for serving people who have already had too much to drink. The racecourse for encouraging excessive drinking and not managing their contractors adequately. I don't know why they can't start selling alcohol half an hour before the first race begins and stop selling alcohol just before the final race. Even better, they could issue tokens for a certain number of drinks (half of beer, small glass of wine, single measure, soft drinks) with each ticket, with pay on the day for soft drinks only. They do not have to serve alcohol. I notice there is to be a Peppa Pig family fun day on 7 September - should be interesting!

Score: 13

Buzzz Light-year
6:18pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Hate to partially agree with James Brennan (disgraceful spinmeister that he is) but this weekend was a culmination of many factors - it's the summer holiday season, it's sunny and warm, it was Saturday, there was a race meeting. Equals guaranteed trouble.

We really do need to lose the image of York as a desirable stag and hen destination, it's tacky and not at all cool. That's one thing.

The racecourse should think carefully about holding meetings on Saturdays. They are the major contributor. That's another thing.

The social acceptance of lairy idiotic drunkenness is a problem nationwide. WTF? It's like the 20th century never happened. Not sure about a solution for that - you can "educate" people till you're blue in the face but some won't listen. That's a big thing.

Legalise cannabis. That's the biggest.

Hate to partially agree with James Brennan (disgraceful spinmeister that he is) but this weekend was a culmination of many factors - it's the summer holiday season, it's sunny and warm, it was Saturday, there was a race meeting. Equals guaranteed trouble.
We really do need to lose the image of York as a desirable stag and hen destination, it's tacky and not at all cool. That's one thing.
The racecourse should think carefully about holding meetings on Saturdays. They are the major contributor. That's another thing.
The social acceptance of lairy idiotic drunkenness is a problem nationwide. WTF? It's like the 20th century never happened. Not sure about a solution for that - you can "educate" people till you're blue in the face but some won't listen. That's a big thing.
Legalise cannabis. That's the biggest.Buzzz Light-year

Hate to partially agree with James Brennan (disgraceful spinmeister that he is) but this weekend was a culmination of many factors - it's the summer holiday season, it's sunny and warm, it was Saturday, there was a race meeting. Equals guaranteed trouble.

We really do need to lose the image of York as a desirable stag and hen destination, it's tacky and not at all cool. That's one thing.

The racecourse should think carefully about holding meetings on Saturdays. They are the major contributor. That's another thing.

The social acceptance of lairy idiotic drunkenness is a problem nationwide. WTF? It's like the 20th century never happened. Not sure about a solution for that - you can "educate" people till you're blue in the face but some won't listen. That's a big thing.

Legalise cannabis. That's the biggest.

Score: -9

Miles Davis
6:29pm Tue 29 Jul 14

HSNYorks wrote…

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

What you fail to realize by implying that it isn't that many extra 'patients' with the drunks and associated violence and mayhem, is the amount of time and money those extra are costing.
Its a ambulance crew who have to pick up the drunk then clean up the vomit in their ambulance afterwards. Its a scarce bed wasted while they either sleep it off (they cant be sent home as they may be sick on their own vomit and die and that would then be someone else s fault)! Or if they don't sleep it off they become rowdy and noisy in the A&E dept. Its the nurse who has to care for this drunk, take the abuse , clean up the vomit and s**te then wait for the next one.
And if you think calling 111 is the answer, think again. The drunk will get an ambulance before the old biddy lying on the floor injured and cant get up. They are deemed more at risk.
Less cheap alcohol, stricter control on publicans and bars etc, and the drunk should foot some of the bill.

[quote][p][bold]HSNYorks[/bold] wrote:
I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.[/p][/quote]What you fail to realize by implying that it isn't that many extra 'patients' with the drunks and associated violence and mayhem, is the amount of time and money those extra are costing.
Its a ambulance crew who have to pick up the drunk then clean up the vomit in their ambulance afterwards. Its a scarce bed wasted while they either sleep it off (they cant be sent home as they may be sick on their own vomit and die and that would then be someone else s fault)! Or if they don't sleep it off they become rowdy and noisy in the A&E dept. Its the nurse who has to care for this drunk, take the abuse , clean up the vomit and s**te then wait for the next one.
And if you think calling 111 is the answer, think again. The drunk will get an ambulance before the old biddy lying on the floor injured and cant get up. They are deemed more at risk.
Less cheap alcohol, stricter control on publicans and bars etc, and the drunk should foot some of the bill.Miles Davis

HSNYorks wrote…

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

What you fail to realize by implying that it isn't that many extra 'patients' with the drunks and associated violence and mayhem, is the amount of time and money those extra are costing.
Its a ambulance crew who have to pick up the drunk then clean up the vomit in their ambulance afterwards. Its a scarce bed wasted while they either sleep it off (they cant be sent home as they may be sick on their own vomit and die and that would then be someone else s fault)! Or if they don't sleep it off they become rowdy and noisy in the A&E dept. Its the nurse who has to care for this drunk, take the abuse , clean up the vomit and s**te then wait for the next one.
And if you think calling 111 is the answer, think again. The drunk will get an ambulance before the old biddy lying on the floor injured and cant get up. They are deemed more at risk.
Less cheap alcohol, stricter control on publicans and bars etc, and the drunk should foot some of the bill.

Score: 19

chunks
6:50pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Remember that the racecourse has recently changed it's racing calendar to include more Saturday's in order to increase attendances, and (I suspect) alcohol sales.

Remember that the racecourse has recently changed it's racing calendar to include more Saturday's in order to increase attendances, and (I suspect) alcohol sales.chunks

Remember that the racecourse has recently changed it's racing calendar to include more Saturday's in order to increase attendances, and (I suspect) alcohol sales.

Score: 21

Mr John
6:58pm Tue 29 Jul 14

The problem is quite simple to resolve. Attendances at York races should be ticket only with all tickets bought in advance and limited in number. Ticket prices should include a surcharge to cover the cost of A&E support and 4 drinks vouchers. No cash or credit sales of alcohol permitted on the racecourse. All coaches from outside of York to have departed within one hour of the last race.

The problem is quite simple to resolve. Attendances at York races should be ticket only with all tickets bought in advance and limited in number. Ticket prices should include a surcharge to cover the cost of A&E support and 4 drinks vouchers. No cash or credit sales of alcohol permitted on the racecourse. All coaches from outside of York to have departed within one hour of the last race.Mr John

The problem is quite simple to resolve. Attendances at York races should be ticket only with all tickets bought in advance and limited in number. Ticket prices should include a surcharge to cover the cost of A&E support and 4 drinks vouchers. No cash or credit sales of alcohol permitted on the racecourse. All coaches from outside of York to have departed within one hour of the last race.

Score: 15

Dr Martin
7:25pm Tue 29 Jul 14

""Legalise cannabis. That's the biggest.""

--No thank you

""Legalise cannabis. That's the biggest.""
--No thank youDr Martin

""Legalise cannabis. That's the biggest.""

--No thank you

Score: 5

Dave Ruddock
7:26pm Tue 29 Jul 14

As always its the "Few" that cause issues for the many, I do find it that it take a large organisation (NHS) to say something to get any action, as in previous posts, its the local residents, Visitors,Hospitals, Police and the city center that gets all the abuse, SOMEONE take notice, Council, Knavemire owners, Transport/Rail police, Police, door persons etc etc etc to treat all events Football, racing,. If none of the mentioned agencies take no notice, then I hope a few "Suing American Style"

As always its the "Few" that cause issues for the many, I do find it that it take a large organisation (NHS) to say something to get any action, as in previous posts, its the local residents, Visitors,Hospitals, Police and the city center that gets all the abuse, SOMEONE take notice, Council, Knavemire owners, Transport/Rail police, Police, door persons etc etc etc to treat all events Football, racing,. If none of the mentioned agencies take no notice, then I hope a few "Suing American Style"Dave Ruddock

As always its the "Few" that cause issues for the many, I do find it that it take a large organisation (NHS) to say something to get any action, as in previous posts, its the local residents, Visitors,Hospitals, Police and the city center that gets all the abuse, SOMEONE take notice, Council, Knavemire owners, Transport/Rail police, Police, door persons etc etc etc to treat all events Football, racing,. If none of the mentioned agencies take no notice, then I hope a few "Suing American Style"

Score: -2

eeoodares
7:39pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Every time there is one of these stories you get the same old people trotting out the same old nonsense.

How would you charge someone for medical services? how would they pay, how would they be capable of entering into a contract with the NHS? what if their intoxication was related to a medical condition or mental health problem... Or are all of you saying that these people should be charged for their medical care suggesting that the NHS should be privatised!

Every time there is one of these stories you get the same old people trotting out the same old nonsense.
How would you charge someone for medical services? how would they pay, how would they be capable of entering into a contract with the NHS? what if their intoxication was related to a medical condition or mental health problem... Or are all of you saying that these people should be charged for their medical care suggesting that the NHS should be privatised!eeoodares

Every time there is one of these stories you get the same old people trotting out the same old nonsense.

How would you charge someone for medical services? how would they pay, how would they be capable of entering into a contract with the NHS? what if their intoxication was related to a medical condition or mental health problem... Or are all of you saying that these people should be charged for their medical care suggesting that the NHS should be privatised!

Score: -2

Very Rich
9:11pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Cheap drinks, you must be joking. I spent over 200 quid on bubbles at the champagne bar so that can't possibly be the problem. Mind you I was hammered by the time we left. **** good day out!

Cheap drinks, you must be joking. I spent over 200 quid on bubbles at the champagne bar so that can't possibly be the problem. Mind you I was hammered by the time we left. **** good day out!Very Rich

Cheap drinks, you must be joking. I spent over 200 quid on bubbles at the champagne bar so that can't possibly be the problem. Mind you I was hammered by the time we left. **** good day out!

Score: -18

old_geezer
8:15pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Tony and his pals assured us that extending drinking hours would lead to a relaxed, Continental Cafe-type culture, and end people drinking rapidly just before closing time. Not that the hospitality industry did a load of backroom lobbying, perish the thought.

Thankfully their demented plans to cover the country with casinos and Supercasinos collapsed. If that was a good idea, why have we heard not a cheep about it since?

Tony and his pals assured us that extending drinking hours would lead to a relaxed, Continental Cafe-type culture, and end people drinking rapidly just before closing time. Not that the hospitality industry did a load of backroom lobbying, perish the thought.
Thankfully their demented plans to cover the country with casinos and Supercasinos collapsed. If that was a good idea, why have we heard not a cheep about it since?old_geezer

Tony and his pals assured us that extending drinking hours would lead to a relaxed, Continental Cafe-type culture, and end people drinking rapidly just before closing time. Not that the hospitality industry did a load of backroom lobbying, perish the thought.

Thankfully their demented plans to cover the country with casinos and Supercasinos collapsed. If that was a good idea, why have we heard not a cheep about it since?

Score: 5

Y.I.P.
8:42pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Jackanory2 wrote…

Y.I.P. wrote…

Its a complete disgrace,York is becoming a big cesspit,time those in authority got a grip,we need to change things lets start by dumping the useless councillors next may vote Y.I.P.

Really! Have you ever lived or visited any where else?

yes pal been around a bit,but York on the slide old bean

[quote][p][bold]Jackanory2[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Y.I.P.[/bold] wrote:
Its a complete disgrace,York is becoming a big cesspit,time those in authority got a grip,we need to change things lets start by dumping the useless councillors next may vote Y.I.P.[/p][/quote]Really! Have you ever lived or visited any where else?[/p][/quote]yes pal been around a bit,but York on the slide old beanY.I.P.

Jackanory2 wrote…

Y.I.P. wrote…

Its a complete disgrace,York is becoming a big cesspit,time those in authority got a grip,we need to change things lets start by dumping the useless councillors next may vote Y.I.P.

Really! Have you ever lived or visited any where else?

yes pal been around a bit,but York on the slide old bean

Score: 4

Stralzi
11:26pm Tue 29 Jul 14

What was the lowest common denominator on Saturday? Oh that'll be the racecourse discharging a large number of very drunk people into York. Fine on the way to the races, boorish and abusive on the way out.

What was the lowest common denominator on Saturday? Oh that'll be the racecourse discharging a large number of very drunk people into York. Fine on the way to the races, boorish and abusive on the way out.Stralzi

What was the lowest common denominator on Saturday? Oh that'll be the racecourse discharging a large number of very drunk people into York. Fine on the way to the races, boorish and abusive on the way out.

Score: 7

[deleted]
8:05am Wed 30 Jul 14

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[quote][p][bold]deckhanddave[/bold] wrote:
Did I not read in a similar article that someone from York Racecourse said that they had had no trouble at the racecourse during this meeting? Someone who was there told me that they saw two fights break out in the stand with the culprits being kicked out. Yet here they are, apparently saying none of it is their responsibility.[/p][/quote]Exactly and it wasn't so long ago that a young man died there after falling down a stairwell - not saying the he was, himself, inebriated but witnesses said others were and were pushing and jostling each other in order to try and leave more quickly.Tug job

deckhanddave wrote…

Did I not read in a similar article that someone from York Racecourse said that they had had no trouble at the racecourse during this meeting? Someone who was there told me that they saw two fights break out in the stand with the culprits being kicked out. Yet here they are, apparently saying none of it is their responsibility.

Exactly and it wasn't so long ago that a young man died there after falling down a stairwell - not saying the he was, himself, inebriated but witnesses said others were and were pushing and jostling each other in order to try and leave more quickly.

Score: 2

eeoodares
11:31pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Tug job wrote…

It is interesting to read Mr Brennan's comments when York Racecourse advertises meetings with a picture of two young men wearing cheap-looking suits accompanied by the strap line, "a pint, a punt, a party - result". Sadly, Dr Gaur has summarised the results of excessive 'partying'.

How is it important how much they paid for their suits? Are you a tailor or a Gok Wan wannabe?

[quote][p][bold]Tug job[/bold] wrote:
It is interesting to read Mr Brennan's comments when York Racecourse advertises meetings with a picture of two young men wearing cheap-looking suits accompanied by the strap line, "a pint, a punt, a party - result". Sadly, Dr Gaur has summarised the results of excessive 'partying'.[/p][/quote]How is it important how much they paid for their suits? Are you a tailor or a Gok Wan wannabe?eeoodares

Tug job wrote…

It is interesting to read Mr Brennan's comments when York Racecourse advertises meetings with a picture of two young men wearing cheap-looking suits accompanied by the strap line, "a pint, a punt, a party - result". Sadly, Dr Gaur has summarised the results of excessive 'partying'.

How is it important how much they paid for their suits? Are you a tailor or a Gok Wan wannabe?

Score: -3

Magicman!
3:20am Wed 30 Jul 14

Salsaman wrote…

These people that are taken to A&E with illness relating to alcohol intoxication, they should be made to pay for the salaries of all the agencies who are involved in their admission to A&E. If they were presented with a bill for the cost of the ambulance crew, control room staff, nurses, Dr, police officers, etc., then a bill for the thick end of £1000 for a night out might make then think more about how much they drink, or can afford to drink.

Exactly... and have it on a '3 strikes' policy - so that if a person has gone to A&E and is drunk for the 3rd consecutive time, they are just left to it rather than wasting valuable resources on somebody who thinks they should be nannied and somebody else be responsible for their welfare, a person who thinks 'having a good time' is passing out in the street and waking up the next day having no memory of what went on.

[quote][p][bold]Salsaman[/bold] wrote:
These people that are taken to A&E with illness relating to alcohol intoxication, they should be made to pay for the salaries of all the agencies who are involved in their admission to A&E. If they were presented with a bill for the cost of the ambulance crew, control room staff, nurses, Dr, police officers, etc., then a bill for the thick end of £1000 for a night out might make then think more about how much they drink, or can afford to drink.[/p][/quote]Exactly... and have it on a '3 strikes' policy - so that if a person has gone to A&E and is drunk for the 3rd consecutive time, they are just left to it rather than wasting valuable resources on somebody who thinks they should be nannied and somebody else be responsible for their welfare, a person who thinks 'having a good time' is passing out in the street and waking up the next day having no memory of what went on.Magicman!

Salsaman wrote…

These people that are taken to A&E with illness relating to alcohol intoxication, they should be made to pay for the salaries of all the agencies who are involved in their admission to A&E. If they were presented with a bill for the cost of the ambulance crew, control room staff, nurses, Dr, police officers, etc., then a bill for the thick end of £1000 for a night out might make then think more about how much they drink, or can afford to drink.

Exactly... and have it on a '3 strikes' policy - so that if a person has gone to A&E and is drunk for the 3rd consecutive time, they are just left to it rather than wasting valuable resources on somebody who thinks they should be nannied and somebody else be responsible for their welfare, a person who thinks 'having a good time' is passing out in the street and waking up the next day having no memory of what went on.

Score: 2

thinkingoutsidethebox
6:40am Wed 30 Jul 14

can't imagine what it must be like to work in A&E on such occasions. With cutbacks badly affecting the Health Service staff must feel totally demoralised and I feel for them. You do a fantastic job in difficult circumstances at the best of times and drunkards need handling differently - some lock up places designated for their use until they are safe and sober - but not the local police stations

can't imagine what it must be like to work in A&E on such occasions. With cutbacks badly affecting the Health Service staff must feel totally demoralised and I feel for them. You do a fantastic job in difficult circumstances at the best of times and drunkards need handling differently - some lock up places designated for their use until they are safe and sober - but not the local police stationsthinkingoutsidethebox

can't imagine what it must be like to work in A&E on such occasions. With cutbacks badly affecting the Health Service staff must feel totally demoralised and I feel for them. You do a fantastic job in difficult circumstances at the best of times and drunkards need handling differently - some lock up places designated for their use until they are safe and sober - but not the local police stations

Score: 6

Tug job
7:24am Wed 30 Jul 14

eeoodares wrote…

Tug job wrote…

It is interesting to read Mr Brennan's comments when York Racecourse advertises meetings with a picture of two young men wearing cheap-looking suits accompanied by the strap line, "a pint, a punt, a party - result". Sadly, Dr Gaur has summarised the results of excessive 'partying'.

How is it important how much they paid for their suits? Are you a tailor or a Gok Wan wannabe?

Because it's all about the message they are intending to portray and the audience they are trying to portray in a local newspaper - the would have used different images and branding in Horse & Hounds - you clearly don't understand how marketing works.

[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Tug job[/bold] wrote:
It is interesting to read Mr Brennan's comments when York Racecourse advertises meetings with a picture of two young men wearing cheap-looking suits accompanied by the strap line, "a pint, a punt, a party - result". Sadly, Dr Gaur has summarised the results of excessive 'partying'.[/p][/quote]How is it important how much they paid for their suits? Are you a tailor or a Gok Wan wannabe?[/p][/quote]Because it's all about the message they are intending to portray and the audience they are trying to portray in a local newspaper - the would have used different images and branding in Horse & Hounds - you clearly don't understand how marketing works.Tug job

eeoodares wrote…

Tug job wrote…

It is interesting to read Mr Brennan's comments when York Racecourse advertises meetings with a picture of two young men wearing cheap-looking suits accompanied by the strap line, "a pint, a punt, a party - result". Sadly, Dr Gaur has summarised the results of excessive 'partying'.

How is it important how much they paid for their suits? Are you a tailor or a Gok Wan wannabe?

Because it's all about the message they are intending to portray and the audience they are trying to portray in a local newspaper - the would have used different images and branding in Horse & Hounds - you clearly don't understand how marketing works.

Score: 3

deckhanddave
7:41am Wed 30 Jul 14

Did I not read in a similar article that someone from York Racecourse said that they had had no trouble at the racecourse during this meeting? Someone who was there told me that they saw two fights break out in the stand with the culprits being kicked out. Yet here they are, apparently saying none of it is their responsibility.

Did I not read in a similar article that someone from York Racecourse said that they had had no trouble at the racecourse during this meeting? Someone who was there told me that they saw two fights break out in the stand with the culprits being kicked out. Yet here they are, apparently saying none of it is their responsibility.deckhanddave

Did I not read in a similar article that someone from York Racecourse said that they had had no trouble at the racecourse during this meeting? Someone who was there told me that they saw two fights break out in the stand with the culprits being kicked out. Yet here they are, apparently saying none of it is their responsibility.

Score: 7

anistasia
9:11am Wed 30 Jul 14

Very Rich wrote…

Cheap drinks, you must be joking. I spent over 200 quid on bubbles at the champagne bar so that can't possibly be the problem. Mind you I was hammered by the time we left. **** good day out!

More money than sense

[quote][p][bold]Very Rich[/bold] wrote:
Cheap drinks, you must be joking. I spent over 200 quid on bubbles at the champagne bar so that can't possibly be the problem. Mind you I was hammered by the time we left. **** good day out![/p][/quote]More money than senseanistasia

Very Rich wrote…

Cheap drinks, you must be joking. I spent over 200 quid on bubbles at the champagne bar so that can't possibly be the problem. Mind you I was hammered by the time we left. **** good day out!

More money than sense

Score: 2

anistasia
9:26am Wed 30 Jul 14

If you can afford to get drunk you can afford to pay for your health care when needed.why should you go out enjoy yourself pay out loads then expect the tax payer to pick up the hospital bill. someone said about cameras in a&e well you can't film in a&e the treatments but could film the drunken out bursts/violence should be show on tv one hour a week show the peoples faces who are causing problems. let their bosses/ work mates and family and the big one local community see them on tv knowing that they could be seen nationwide might stop them getting drunk in the first place.

If you can afford to get drunk you can afford to pay for your health care when needed.why should you go out enjoy yourself pay out loads then expect the tax payer to pick up the hospital bill. someone said about cameras in a&e well you can't film in a&e the treatments but could film the drunken out bursts/violence should be show on tv one hour a week show the peoples faces who are causing problems. let their bosses/ work mates and family and the big one local community see them on tv knowing that they could be seen nationwide might stop them getting drunk in the first place.anistasia

If you can afford to get drunk you can afford to pay for your health care when needed.why should you go out enjoy yourself pay out loads then expect the tax payer to pick up the hospital bill. someone said about cameras in a&e well you can't film in a&e the treatments but could film the drunken out bursts/violence should be show on tv one hour a week show the peoples faces who are causing problems. let their bosses/ work mates and family and the big one local community see them on tv knowing that they could be seen nationwide might stop them getting drunk in the first place.

Score: 3

sponge
3:34pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Digeorge what a misery you ar, I live in Trafalgar Street & wasn't disturbed by the Beach Boys at all! As for hospital admissions all GP admissions automatically go straight to the surgical or medical admission units no matter which consultant you've seen in the pas. 111 on the other hand will either tell you to contact your GP or present at A&E

Digeorge what a misery you ar, I live in Trafalgar Street & wasn't disturbed by the Beach Boys at all! As for hospital admissions all GP admissions automatically go straight to the surgical or medical admission units no matter which consultant you've seen in the pas. 111 on the other hand will either tell you to contact your GP or present at A&Esponge

Digeorge what a misery you ar, I live in Trafalgar Street & wasn't disturbed by the Beach Boys at all! As for hospital admissions all GP admissions automatically go straight to the surgical or medical admission units no matter which consultant you've seen in the pas. 111 on the other hand will either tell you to contact your GP or present at A&E

Score: -2

Digeorge
7:21pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Well I live over the other side of the Knavesmire, I certainly herd it, I actually quite enjoyed it, but to have it forced on you when you are watching something else is another matter. I wasn't saying about GP admissions, the service I had from 111 was far better than A&E. I was seen by the out of hours doctors arranged and admitted within the hour. It was out of hours service, and I have complex medical problems that it is well-documented what I have but it seems that A&E don't 'get it' as it is rare and complicated. But I have had a far better service from NHS 111 in the middle of the night than I would have had from A&E.

Well I live over the other side of the Knavesmire, I certainly herd it, I actually quite enjoyed it, but to have it forced on you when you are watching something else is another matter. I wasn't saying about GP admissions, the service I had from 111 was far better than A&E. I was seen by the out of hours doctors arranged and admitted within the hour. It was out of hours service, and I have complex medical problems that it is well-documented what I have but it seems that A&E don't 'get it' as it is rare and complicated. But I have had a far better service from NHS 111 in the middle of the night than I would have had from A&E.Digeorge

Well I live over the other side of the Knavesmire, I certainly herd it, I actually quite enjoyed it, but to have it forced on you when you are watching something else is another matter. I wasn't saying about GP admissions, the service I had from 111 was far better than A&E. I was seen by the out of hours doctors arranged and admitted within the hour. It was out of hours service, and I have complex medical problems that it is well-documented what I have but it seems that A&E don't 'get it' as it is rare and complicated. But I have had a far better service from NHS 111 in the middle of the night than I would have had from A&E.

Score: 0

deathwatch
7:37pm Mon 4 Aug 14

bolero wrote…

HSNYorks wrote…

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

One of the disgusting ones?

Actually a lot of the abusive drunks in the Emergency Dept are regular attenders. They see the ED as their 'duty' to sort them out. (I know as I've worked there!)

[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HSNYorks[/bold] wrote:
I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.[/p][/quote]One of the disgusting ones?[/p][/quote]Actually a lot of the abusive drunks in the Emergency Dept are regular attenders. They see the ED as their 'duty' to sort them out. (I know as I've worked there!)deathwatch

bolero wrote…

HSNYorks wrote…

I live in York and having read all the comments I do agree weekends can be something of a battle, but why don’t people get some perspective. Around 40,000 at the races as well as the usual hens, stags, holidaymakers and regular people out on a weekend and the Press reports that for three hours from 9.00 pm A&E saw 34 patients rather than 15 to 20, and midnight to 3.00 am saw an additional 20.
The NHS is severely underfunded and instead of putting on extra staff for known events, the government prefers to waste money on overpaid external consultants or time and motion advisors, dictating to hardworking, busy and efficient staff how to do their job and to constantly challenging them to complete paper exercises and meet ridiculous targets.
Maybe not necessarily A&E, but if you’re going to moan about drunks putting pressure on the NHS, and probably most drunk inpatients on a Saturday night are one-offs and not regular offenders, why stop there. Make everyone with self-inflicted illness a blight and make them pay from their salaries (obviously forgetting that we already do) – let’s attack the smokers, the obese, the addicts, the diabetics .....
Attacking the racecourse is also ridiculous, York has been associated with the races since the mid-1500s. I think the racecourse was here before all of you so if you don’t like it, then go and live somewhere else. Then you might get some perspective.

One of the disgusting ones?

Actually a lot of the abusive drunks in the Emergency Dept are regular attenders. They see the ED as their 'duty' to sort them out. (I know as I've worked there!)

Score: 0

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7:41pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Very Rich wrote…

Cheap drinks, you must be joking. I spent over 200 quid on bubbles at the champagne bar so that can't possibly be the problem. Mind you I was hammered by the time we left. **** good day out!

So, to enjoy a 'good' day out, you feel the need to get 'hammered'? I feel sorry for imbeciles like you...

[quote][p][bold]Very Rich[/bold] wrote:
Cheap drinks, you must be joking. I spent over 200 quid on bubbles at the champagne bar so that can't possibly be the problem. Mind you I was hammered by the time we left. **** good day out![/p][/quote]So, to enjoy a 'good' day out, you feel the need to get 'hammered'? I feel sorry for imbeciles like you...deathwatch

Very Rich wrote…

Cheap drinks, you must be joking. I spent over 200 quid on bubbles at the champagne bar so that can't possibly be the problem. Mind you I was hammered by the time we left. **** good day out!

So, to enjoy a 'good' day out, you feel the need to get 'hammered'? I feel sorry for imbeciles like you...

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