samhill wrote:Who's the stupid one if they are getting it all for free & to boot they aren't even contributing to giving the freebees to the main welfare recipients, while your complaining about them your supporting the one's screwing you more.

WTF. are you talking about?

A young black kid asks his mother, "Mama what's Socialism and Racism?" "Well son, Socialism is when white folks work every day so we can get all our benefits. You knows, like free cell phones for each family member, rent subsidy, food stamps, EMC, free healthcare, utility subsidy, free computers and Internet connection, free food, free clothing, free gifts at Christmas, and on and on, you knows? That's Socialism".

Getting tired of hearing all jobs gone overseas. Been looking for help over 1/2 year. Fact is nobody wants to work, not one good applicant and every company owner in the trades I talk to is in the same boat. Fact is as long as we keep extending jobless benefits, It's easier to just collect a check than to work for one. Work harder those on welfare are depending on you.

plumb-r wrote:Getting tired of hearing all jobs gone overseas. Been looking for help over 1/2 year. Fact is nobody wants to work, not one good applicant and every company owner in the trades I talk to is in the same boat. Fact is as long as we keep extending jobless benefits, It's easier to just collect a check than to work for one. Work harder those on welfare are depending on you.

There are two sides to that coin. Business owners know there are tons of people out of work which depresses wages.

I got laid off as a machinist making $26/hr and was getting offered $13-$16/hr at most other machine shops. I found one place that was $27/hr but it was such a miserable place to work, I wouldn't have done it for $100/hr.

I make more as a first year HVAC apprentice than people were offering me to be an experienced machinist. But even in HVAC, I'll be lucky to make it back to where I was as a machinist within the next year or so.

plumb-r wrote:Getting tired of hearing all jobs gone overseas. Been looking for help over 1/2 year. Fact is nobody wants to work, not one good applicant and every company owner in the trades I talk to is in the same boat. Fact is as long as we keep extending jobless benefits, It's easier to just collect a check than to work for one. Work harder those on welfare are depending on you.

Took me over 2 months of ads before I even had someone call about a welder job.

I don't disagree with many of the points brought up, I think every business large & small now has trouble finding employees. As for my past experiences most would not even look at anyone over say 40 & it gradually went down in age till you found one in their 20s with 30 years experience (if you get the idea). I know that before I retired the company would normally hire in blocks of 20 & would have to go to the expense of testing or at least calling in 300. Of that 300 a % would not show up once they found out there was a "drug screen" involved, then a % would take the test & fail (they didn't know they took drugs) guess they were too drunk to remember. All said & done they usually ended up with about 12 to 18 out of 300.I don't believe in extensions but if there are no jobs then I can see maybe one extension at a reduced amount, if you refuse a fairly comparable job then you lose the U.C..As for welfare that differs by state & I know of none that get anything near what has been said lately.

Jeff, don't fool yourself into thinking your state has a hold on the welfare recipients. Vermont is doing an admirable job recruiting them from NY and MA by the busload, or Amtrak, depending on what kind of drugs they have for sale.