Immigration - If Obama would do this..Would YOU be satisfied?

I do not care if the Obama administration would lose the White House, but yes you are going to get them to admit they are criminals.
I'm guessing your up fro send 30 million illegals home via airplanes all paid for by government/
No, we make use of these people, make them residents and pay taxes from the time they were here to now. It would be a great influx of money and now
legal workforce.

I mean if you wanna send 30 million plus their legal children home, than take down much of the economy based on illegal labor or even housing, than
that is stubborn.

where exactly are the illegals going to get the money to pay the taxes they owe from the time they entered the U.S. until now?

I don't know what fantasy world you live in but its obvious you have never seen an illegal alien or been where they live in the states.

i can only speak of illegal aliens that are of Hispanic decent because they are the only ones i have been around. 99% of them live in a run down house
with 15-20+ people sharing the rent, they keep enough money to barely live on and send the rest home to their families that are still in their home
country.

amnesty will never work. i can see it now we grant amnesty to illegal aliens and every murderer on death row is going to appeal their convictions and
seek amnesty on the grounds that one group of law breakers gets it so why shouldn't they.

you keep saying to everyone that their ideas aren't plausible. when they majority of the people that have posted in this thread have posted more
plausible ideas than you have.

you say its not plausible to round these people up and put them on planes, trains, buses and ship them back to the border, I say it is. heres how.

first we truly secure the border. send in the army to patrol the border. finish building a fence along our border, inland about 10 feet. posts signs
at the border in multiple languages stating anyone found between the border and the fence can and will be shot. that will stop 90% of the flow of
illegals right there just the threat of being killed.

as for the illegals already here. no amnesty! they have 30 days to leave the country no questions asked. they will not be given special treatment when
they try to re-enter the country legally. they take a number and wait in line just like anyone else.

anyone that doesn't leave on their own during the 30 days when found will be deported. and not just to the border but at least to the closest airport
to the geographic center of their HOME COUNTRY!

how do we cover the deportation costs you ask? simple

every illegal i know uses western union to wire their paychecks back home. we should start taxing money transfers via western union etc. that leave
the U.S. for any other country. that tax should be placed in a fund to cover the cost of deporting these criminals.

when someone is found to be in this country illegally the government seizes any assets they have.

most own cars so they can get to and from work. those assets should be sold at auction and the proceeds from the auctions goes into the fund to cover
deportation.

If they have a job in the states the government should seize their pay from said job and put it in the fund.

And Since we pay all these billions of dollars to Mexico in Aid. i say we stop sending them aid money. we use that money to also fund the massive
deportation of illegal immigrants.

and no an illegal immigrant can't prove they have lived here x number of years using their kids as proof. who is to say the kid wasn't born 15 years
and 1 day before they entered the U.S. and claim the baby was born at home while waiting for an ambulance. thats just one example how they could get
around the proof idea you have and i'm sure their are hundreds of other ways.

also we need to crack down on anchor babies. we need to stop granting U.S. citizenship to babies born to women who are here illegally!

But in all honesty it doesn't matter if i think your ideas aren't plausible or if you think my idea's or the others that post in this thread
aren't plausible, because nothing to secure the borders, and dealing with all the illegals already in this country can happen until the federal
gov't stops seeing illegals as potential voters and starts seeing them for what they really are. Criminals that are a drain on the system in this
country.

I like what you are proposing. It's very well thought out and made, and I cxan see much of it working alas to the part on Mexico where we would take
the fine on our annual help to them, because I can see foul yelled out on their behalf but they are not cooperating to an extent where we could keep
the situation in control.

You really want to know how it is going to play out? Here is how it will:
1) The federal government will make promises, senators and those trying to remain in office will continue to state oh we are working on it, then when
it comes to actually action, nothing, absolutely nothing will happen. All funding will stop.
2) The inaction of the federal government will result in tougher laws at the state level against those who are illegale immigrants, and a lot of
lawsuits. Claims of problems on both sides. Riots and property damage against those who had absolutely nothing to do.
3) States that have passed and are willing to pass these measures, will force the illegale immigrants to other states, thus taking the problems of
such to states that can not afford such. I would not be surprised if a state or 2 goes bankrupt or are so far in debt, that it starts to affect the
general population.
4) You will see a rise of violence along the border as the militias start to do the one thing that the federal and state government will not do,
secure the border and I have read reports of this is going from a cold conflict to one that will heat up.
5) Possible war with Mexico, as their corrupt military will not stand for those who they are bribed by being killed or shot at, causing if not one
but more incidence. The population on both sides of the border will scream, and there will be a new wave of harassement and discrimination against
the hispanic communities, to the point of where the federal government will need to get involved to restore the peace.

You're willing to give illegals a pass as long as they can prove they have been here 15 years? Sure, let's pass that law. Then supporters will lobby
for changing the law to 8 years. Then 4 years. Then 1 year. I say no. Also, they broke the law. There should at least be some punishment for doing
that.

I feel the need to expand on one point that I made earlier concerning the road blocks to actually granting amnesty is a real way with the laws and
culture as they currently stand.

I want to address, to a further degree, the issue of distrust of authority within the illegal immigrant community.

Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. You come from a country where the police are little better than the criminals that they are suppose to be
protecting you from. The police force is underpaid, under-trained and out-manned by the criminal organizations. They take bribes to look the other way
when crimes are committed and, in some cases, actually co-operate with the criminals when the pay is good enough. In those few cases where a law
enforcement official actually stands up for the law, they are gunned down or kidnapped, tortured and executed by the criminals as an example to those
who would do so again.

Now, you come from a place where this is the normal state of affairs but you now live in another country. You are in that country illegally and
someone tells you that the national authorities will give you sanctuary if you just come down to the local police department and declare that you are
here illegally. Would you do it?

How do they prove they've been in the United States for fifteen years?

They've been basically hiding the whole time.

They haven't paid any taxes.

They don't have a social security card.

They probably don't have bank accounts or credit cards.

They probably don't have rent leases that prove they lived in an apartment for fifteen years.

I suppose you mean living in America for fifteen continuous years. They probably go back and forth across the border. They live in America for a
couple of months. They go back to Mexico for a couple of months. They haven't lived in any one spot for any length of time.

So, if you say that any illegal who has been here for fifteen years, how do they prove they've been here for fifteen years?

If you can make the border impenetrable, then why isn't the border already impenetrable.

Canada has their borders pretty much sealed tight. Canada lets about five thousand migrant workers in on temporary visas for the picking season. When
the picking season is over, all Mexicans must leave. Or they are escorted out of Canada by the Royal Mounted Police.

Canada can seal their bordrs shut.

Why does America have a problem with sealing the border?

Seal the borders. Then work on a solution. And figure out how they can prove they've been in America for fifteen years.

Originally posted by fred call
If you can make the border impenetrable, then why isn't the border already impenetrable.

Canada has their borders pretty much sealed tight. Canada lets about five thousand migrant workers in on temporary visas for the picking season. When
the picking season is over, all Mexicans must leave. Or they are escorted out of Canada by the Royal Mounted Police.

Canada can seal their borders shut.

Why does America have a problem with sealing the border?

Seal the borders. Then work on a solution. And figure out how they can prove they've been in America for fifteen years.

The heart of this issue, in my opinion, is that we have an ally in Canada where illegal immigration is concerned. We do not have this same type of
relationship with Mexico. It seems that the Mexican government is more than happy to ship people across their northern border into the US no matter
what we say. Until we can correct that issue, we will still have a major illegal immigration issue on our southern border.

It also galls me that "Human Rights" groups have no problem condemning the actions of this country but will not lift a finger to protest the actions
of our southern neighbor. These groups show their hypocrisy when they support illegal immigrants coming into our country to be exploited by
unscrupulous businesses. If these immigrants were any other nationality, I feel that these rights groups would be screaming from the highest mountains
about how unjust the system was.

Another thing concerning this same issue is the fact that hispanic rights groups in the country support illegal immigration but never complains to our
own government about the human rights abuses in Mexico. I would feel much more sympathy for these groups if they were fighting half as hard as, say,
the Cuban-American community is for sanctions against their native homeland.

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