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After Laughter (Comes Tears)

I've always felt that YTMND should focus more on the content being produced than the users that produce the content itself.
Back in 2004 a lot of the content on the front page included links to a user's profile and at some point in time this stopped.
While the site's identity continues to grow, there isn't much of an outlet for users to gain an identity beyond their sites.

With suggestions and help from others I've created a beta version of a new scoring system that will privately rank users based on a number of criteria.
This can then be used to give users who create great content more exposure, as well as being used as a method of highlighting content that will most likely be generally well received.
Obviously the algorithm will be tweaked over the next few weeks but I hope to make it a useful part of the site. I don't want to turn this into a popularity contest, so for the time being I have no plans of publishing a list of users with associated scores.

Another upcoming change is the Hall-of-Fame, which will see a total re-haul. The Hall-of-Fame has not reflected the true spirit of YTMND and has been used as a repository of sorts. A lot of the items that don't belong will be removed and a lot that do belong will be added.

So people are just downvoting all the pink names? Well what a great idea to counter the featured users implementation! If you aren't down with the pink and featured users thing then let's just downvote all pink names that you see I guess.

I agree, too. Keep the featured user list, but get rid of the pink because it's turning into a big downvoting target. I know there is still some tweeking to do on that list because ollj, cac0, texaggie79, and a few other have no business to be on the list. I like the idea of a featured site section. I think it would be better if the sites had a rating threshold (maybe above 3.5 or 3.75) and keep sites made within 72 hours off the list.

It's kind of redundant to have the same sites on the featured list, U&C, and top viewed at the same time. Also, you mentioned tweeking the HoF. Maybe add a "Hall of Shame". A place where heavily linked, bad sites like HTPAT and linked WoW sites can be placed so they don't stay on the "top viewed" list for months or weeks on end.

I like these ideas. Instead of recent sites, and instead of random sites, the featured section could have sites that are over 4.00 stars and over 72 hours old, by those users. How often certain users are on the front page can be determined by that algorithmic scoring system max came up with. (whatever it is)

My pet theory is that Max already has something like that in mind, but is waiting to implement it because he wants to see the drama that ensues without it. And when he does implement it, he'll change the Featured User color to something other than pink.

I think I agree with gr33nscr33n's 2nd comment.. but that would be a lot of responsibility for the selected users to take on. I mean, you wouldn't want the section to turn into another "Moderator Favorites". The thing is, sites are usually favorited for personal reasons, and would not necessarily be rated well by the general ytmnd populace.

In regards to gr33n's idea, I almost think there should be an anonymous poll where all users can submit one user name they'd like to be a representative for the featured category. (no self-voting though) The result? I don't know, maybe a lot of the same names would turn up.. it's always a popularity contest. The main difference is that you'd get more variety probably. Inkdrinker and others with low rated sites would show up, for example.

For those who dislike the featured list algorithm... if there was a poll, would it not be fair then? Since the users themselves would literally decide the names who go in, there would be a lot less complaints about the result. Top 50 users nominated might end up including names like MurdarMachene, directory, AwesomeBob, karndude, etc.. users that have some following, though weren't included by the featured users algorithm.

I agree with ScndPistonHonda. I had no idea this discussion was going on. The pink names thing is obnoxious and elitist, and its unfortunate that people who react to that downvote these users who did nothing but make good sites, really.

BTape caught the alts earlier than I did, but ShomerFlash is back with more alts used to upvote himself and downvote everyone in the U&C. http://www.ytmnd.com/users/jorand/ http://www.ytmnd.com/users/jorand2/votes http://www.ytmnd.com/users/jorand3/votes http://www.ytmnd.com/users/jorand4/votes

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What was that site that had a bunch of pictures with stuff written on them? OK I'll narrow it down--- One of the pictures said "This remote controls my gigantic robot arm" IDK, It popped into my head, and I want to see it again....

hahaha, no I kept thinking about it and couldn't remember the first thing about it, so I figured someone one here would. I had no clue I had posted under the actual person who made it. Thanks for sending me the link. I didn't even realize it was on my favorites list.

I really think that you and a small group of trusted mods need to spend a few hours and evaluate everyone on the featured user list. The fact that WTL is on the list really pisses me off. All his popular sites are stolen from 4chan and you now risk having a goatse site on the featured section. He represent everything that is wrong with YTMND, yet all of his sites get highlighted now.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3350/ollj2wi2.jpg - ollj likes it when you criticize him. a wonderful example of great ytmnd etiquette. all you *ssh*les could learn from this fine upstanding user. Go Finland!

Not to mention he's now accumulating roughly 2,000 downvotes A DAY, as of recently. Before you had to view sites to vote on them, it was still extremely time consuming to rack up 1,000 a day. Even if you put me and Btape together, it would still take around 2 weeks for us to vote as much as he 1-stars in a few days. At his current rate, He'll have a larger margin of downvotes than punisher in about a month or two if he keeps it up at this rate.

http://www.ytmnd.com/users/lacunacoil/votes - http://www.ytmnd.com/users/johnlocke/votes - http://www.ytmnd.com/users/littlegreenguy/votes - http://www.ytmnd.com/users/ihaveaface/sites - There has to be more. ihaveaface is alting his sites.

Hey max, i'm experiencing bugged NSFW voting with my #! option. When I go to a NSFW site I get the triangle overlay (though my options say I prefer otherwise), and when I click it, I am unable to vote on NSFW sites. Considering you can't seem to vote from the site profile, and only from the site, this bug makes me unable to vote. Just letting you know.

also search for "custom patches" on eBay okay i want to buy a username to sew on my gay jacket with my transformers patches please make official ones max bb i don't want some pirated bootleg sh*t (like your site lol OWNED4LIFE)

you know what? screw you. i came here relieved for one of the first times in a week that my life was finally returning to normal after the ordeal ive had and you post some gay sh*t like that? nice compassion, jerkoff.

you know what? screw you. i came here relieved for one of the first times in a week that my life was finally returning to normal after the ordeal ive had and you post some gay sh*t like that? nice compassion, jerkoff.

If you aren't part of a group, be it FPA, Vent, or just Aim buddies nor are you featured and you make a site chances are you, like everyone else, are going to get a couple of Auto 1 votes from users like Punisher, etc. So say you get a total of 10 votes while on recently created. Lets say 4 people give you 5 and 4 give you 4. With the 2 downvotes that's an average of 3.8. And you miss up and coming and no one sees your site again. Even though real voters gave you a 4.5, thanks to trolls no one sees it.

So after that 1 of 3 things happen. You become part of group that agrees to up vote each other regardless of site content. Or you become a self up voter with alts. Or you say F it and stop spending time trying to make people laugh just to have it wasted by trolls.

And I'm not whining for myself. I think a lot of my sites have gotten more views and better ratings than they deserve. So I'm good. But I know how it can be and I imagine a lot of quality sites and users have been lost because of this. Delete the votes of anyone who votes 1 more than 90% of the time - see if it doesn't change things a little. Same should go for people who only 5.

The more I think about it, the more I agree with gr33n and others who've said ratings and votes shouldn't have such powerful influence over the front page. Ratings aren't important, the individual user should be able to find sites that appeal to his or her taste more easily, without having to use a search function. YTMND needs a mature (and diversely comprised) staff team who will be committed to managing what kind of material ends up on the front page.

"A good enough site will always survive" How do you know that? You gonna tell me you've never stumbled across a long dead site with a low rating that's better than anything on the front page at that time?

ALL OF YOU JUST SHUT UP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA OKAY

Yeah I'm kind of tired of having to clear my cookies every couple of months just to vote on NSFW. Too many passwords and whatnot that I simply don't remember - lol. But I reckon I'll survive not being able to vote on titty sites

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