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I believe that would require change in legislation and redefinition of racism and hate crime. Never going to happen.

Perpetrators get a slap on the wrist, essentially, and released. So a few hundred quid, a handful of pints and some encouragement would likely be enough for a teenage dilinquent with racist tendencies.

Not sure it requires a change in legislation, it is more a change of a process. Then again I am no legal expert. As for redefining the definition of racism, I think you are just digging.

My point is saying a slap on the wrist is not enough, I may not have the solution but whatever the rules are now is clearly not working. If we continue the way we are now we will never progress. Up to the governing boards to do something because campaigns by Sterling etc really have no effect.

Not sure it requires a change in legislation, it is more a change of a process. Then again I am no legal expert. As for redefining the definition of racism, I think you are just digging.

My point is saying a slap on the wrist is not enough, I may not have the solution but whatever the rules are now is clearly not working. If we continue the way we are now we will never progress. Up to the governing boards to do something because campaigns by Sterling etc really have no effect.

IIRC magistrates prosecute under the Public Order Act, racist and regligious hate crime. Monkey chant isn't classified as hate under CPS guidelines, so doesn't qualify for maximum sentence. They prosecute under harassment with races being a aggravating factor (which allows them to increase the sentence)

I may be wrong, but I beleive its 12 weeks maximum or upto £1000 fine.

At a news conference on Monday, artist Simone Fugazzotto, who always uses monkeys in his work, said: "For an artist there is nothing more important than trying to change the perception of things through his own work.

"I've always been painting monkeys for five to six years, so I thought I'd make this work to teach that we're all apes, I made the western monkey with blue and white eyes, the Asian monkey with almond-shaped eyes and the black monkey positioned in the centre, where everything comes from. The monkey becomes the spark to teach everyone that there is no difference, there is no man or monkey, we are all alike. If anything we are all monkeys."

So the easiest way to stop offending a certain group of people is by offending all people? What an idiot. I mean okay, He has his own interpretation of the picture (cough.. cough.. I mean He's THE artist). For him it's to help kick out racism but how daft can you be to use an object that have been strongly linked to 'being racist' as the main focus in anti racism campaign designs, without any additional text/context whatsoever. A picture of monkeys are what ordinary people see.

It depends where you are from. Calling someone coloured in South Africa is seen as perfectly acceptable term to refer to someone with mixed heritages.

In much of the US it is seen as offensive and very much associated with the Jim Crow laws, with signs at drinking fountains and on public transport for example that used to read "Whites only" or "Colored only"

In the UK it's at best seen as an outdated and old fashioned term, but by many people it's seen as highly offensive and I can see why @Bocca9978 would not want to use it.

Of course people of any race are perfectly free to refer to themselves however they want, it doesn't mean others of the same or different heritage will see it in the same way though.

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If a fan of United did that and we got docked 10 points because of it, you create a culture that it is wrong. I would be pissed that we have lost 10 points but happy to see something of more substance is being done to embed governance.

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I decided to portray monkeys to talk about racism because they are the metaphor for human beings. Last year I was at the stadium to see Inter v Napoli [a match in which Napoli defender Kalidou Koulibaly was racially abused] and I felt humiliated, everyone was shouting 'monkey' at Koulibaly, a player I respect.

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@duffer Yeah, we use the term "scimmia" to refer to all monkeys and apes. Technically apes are called "grande scimmia"("big monkey"), but they're commonly called monkeys

Wrt the #weareallmonkeys campaign(the one from the suarez-coutinho tweet), that was started by neymar and dani alves after an idiot in villarreal threw a banana at dani alves(and he reacted by taking a bite, because dani alves is a treasure). It was meant to take power away from that specific racist action. Basically what i'm saying is it made sense in context

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I can't imagine what it's like being a black player in Italy, horrible experience. Even your own teammates, fans and club officials are against you and think you are a crybaby. And the league comes up with monkey adverts. Unbelievable. I actually think foreign players and especially black players should boycott playing in Italy.

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I do think it's great to see the other players doing what they did. Footie players should stand together against that kinda shit. Don't know why the Italian fans kept whistling like a bunch of turds. Even if you don't understand why he got pissy and emotional at first - surely you d understand after you see the players reaching out to him.