Nobunaga wrote:... The President wins yet another sterling endorsement from a socialist dictator, one who quite recently proved to the world that democratic elections function well under dictatorial control.

... With this kind of support, how can we even begin to question Obama's place as our rightful leader?

Nobunaga wrote:... The President wins yet another sterling endorsement from a socialist dictator, one who quite recently proved to the world that democratic elections function well under dictatorial control.

... With this kind of support, how can we even begin to question Obama's place as our rightful leader?

Nobunaga wrote:... The President wins yet another sterling endorsement from a socialist dictator, one who quite recently proved to the world that democratic elections function well under dictatorial control.

... With this kind of support, how can we even begin to question Obama's place as our rightful leader?

Apparently a Chinese women from Beijing , employed as a cleaner in a government building , also endorses Obama...........He must be a Commie stooge Seriously that is one of the most clownish pieces of journalism I have ever come across , is it by any chance a Murdoch newspaper ?

I don't follow the Mexican cartels much but from your comment, I must assume the Zetas are not the ones that got free guns from the Eric Holder and the Obama Administration. Is that correct?

Wasn't that a Bush administration policy? Sure it continued under Obama, who cancelled it when the news of it came out, but still, bit harsh to blame Obama for a Republican policy he ended.

Fast and Furious was launched in 2009, Bush wasn't in office at that time (a smaller scale of gun-walking was done under his watch though). Fast and Furious greatly increased the volume of gun-walking weapons and 1700 of 2000 guns that were allowed across the border between 2009-2011 are unaccounted for. To give Obama any positive credit for such a horrible policy, where both him and Bush are to blame is completely ridiculous.

I don't follow the Mexican cartels much but from your comment, I must assume the Zetas are not the ones that got free guns from the Eric Holder and the Obama Administration. Is that correct?

Wasn't that a Bush administration policy? Sure it continued under Obama, who cancelled it when the news of it came out, but still, bit harsh to blame Obama for a Republican policy he ended.

Fast and Furious was launched in 2009, Bush wasn't in office at that time (a smaller scale of gun-walking was done under his watch though). Fast and Furious greatly increased the volume of gun-walking weapons and 1700 of 2000 guns that were allowed across the border between 2009-2011 are unaccounted for. To give Obama any positive credit for such a horrible policy, where both him and Bush are to blame is completely ridiculous.

I misunderestimated your attempt to derail the thread, and assumed that you were talking about the Bush era policy of selling guns to drug cartels.

Fast and Furious, was, of course an Obama era policy name for the ATF gunwalking scandal. I'd give Obama credit for shutting the thing down. Not fast or furiously enough, but shut it down he did.

the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein

Nobunaga wrote:... That's funny. You don't like what it says so... you attack the source and make absurd attempts at comedy.

... Woody, I am not desperate. Your man has his ass handed to him once again tonight... I think it's a wrap.

"My man" in the election isn't even male and wasn't invited to the debate tonight, so I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. That being said, "my man" will be in a debate with three other candidates (who weren't afraid to meet with her, whereas Romney was) tonight.

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...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.

I don't follow the Mexican cartels much but from your comment, I must assume the Zetas are not the ones that got free guns from the Eric Holder and the Obama Administration. Is that correct?

Wasn't that a Bush administration policy? Sure it continued under Obama, who cancelled it when the news of it came out, but still, bit harsh to blame Obama for a Republican policy he ended.

Fast and Furious was launched in 2009, Bush wasn't in office at that time (a smaller scale of gun-walking was done under his watch though). Fast and Furious greatly increased the volume of gun-walking weapons and 1700 of 2000 guns that were allowed across the border between 2009-2011 are unaccounted for. To give Obama any positive credit for such a horrible policy, where both him and Bush are to blame is completely ridiculous.

I misunderestimated your attempt to derail the thread, and assumed that you were talking about the Bush era policy of selling guns to drug cartels.

Fast and Furious, was, of course an Obama era policy name for the ATF gunwalking scandal. I'd give Obama credit for shutting the thing down. Not fast or furiously enough, but shut it down he did.

... The Bush program was Wide Receiver, look it up. Obama's was Fast & Furious. Wide Receiver traced guns with tracking chips. The guns were tracked, the bad guys found, people went to jail. Fast and Furious had no (publicly known) objective and there was no means in place to track the weapons. They were later traced back to the program via serial numbers. US citizens have been killed with these guns. Many more Mexican citizens have also been killed.... and for what?

Nobunaga wrote:... That's funny. You don't like what it says so... you attack the source and make absurd attempts at comedy.

... Woody, I am not desperate. Your man has his ass handed to him once again tonight... I think it's a wrap.

"My man" in the election isn't even male and wasn't invited to the debate tonight, so I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. That being said, "my man" will be in a debate with three other candidates (who weren't afraid to meet with her, whereas Romney was) tonight.

Nobunaga wrote:... That's funny. You don't like what it says so... you attack the source and make absurd attempts at comedy.

... Woody, I am not desperate. Your man has his ass handed to him once again tonight... I think it's a wrap.

"My man" in the election isn't even male and wasn't invited to the debate tonight, so I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. That being said, "my man" will be in a debate with three other candidates (who weren't afraid to meet with her, whereas Romney was) tonight.

I don't follow the Mexican cartels much but from your comment, I must assume the Zetas are not the ones that got free guns from the Eric Holder and the Obama Administration. Is that correct?

Wasn't that a Bush administration policy? Sure it continued under Obama, who cancelled it when the news of it came out, but still, bit harsh to blame Obama for a Republican policy he ended.

Fast and Furious was launched in 2009, Bush wasn't in office at that time (a smaller scale of gun-walking was done under his watch though). Fast and Furious greatly increased the volume of gun-walking weapons and 1700 of 2000 guns that were allowed across the border between 2009-2011 are unaccounted for. To give Obama any positive credit for such a horrible policy, where both him and Bush are to blame is completely ridiculous.

I misunderestimated your attempt to derail the thread, and assumed that you were talking about the Bush era policy of selling guns to drug cartels.

Fast and Furious, was, of course an Obama era policy name for the ATF gunwalking scandal. I'd give Obama credit for shutting the thing down. Not fast or furiously enough, but shut it down he did.

Derail the thread? I was stating why one group of cartels may endorse Romney as bedub suggested. You followed and started praising Obama for a bad policy under his administration that was only pulled because there was American blood on his watch. It was a bad policy and to give one credit for it would be crazy. If you wish to respond further, please start another thread entitled "Bad Policies by the Obama Administration that I support because they were done by the Obama Administration".

... Those poll numbers are easy to believe. I don't see it as any plus for Obama, however. I'm curious as to why you, or any American, would.

... I guess it makes sense.The social democracies, with close to zero probability of being in a confrontation with the US, like the direction Obama has pulled us - more resembling their own socialist democratic systems with huge government involvement and near total dependence in all sectors. They understand it.

... China, that's obvious. We don't know yet if Romney has the balls to declare them a currency manipulator and enact those tariffs and taxes he spoke of... but if he should, that would suck for them. It's funny, the Chinese message boards after the last debate were tearing Romney up over what he said... You could smell the fear.... What's funny is the debate wasn't telecast in the PRC... I also wonder how that poll data was collected in the PRC, where folks are questioned by the police for public political discussions... The smart Chinese would walk away from a pollster. (wandering into a tangent.... pulling myself back..)

... As for all the others... I suppose they see a weaker US as less likely to involve itself in conflict generally.. ? But who here knows the mind of an Indonesian or a Kenyan... or a Panamanian?

Juan_Bottom wrote:It may also be the size of our economy and our involvement in every nation on the globe.

The president has not given any indication he would reduce our involvement in every nation on the globe. I wish that was one campaign promise he would have kept.

You mean economically? That's kind of a weird thing to say.

No, I mean militarily.

Ah, then that's fair comment. Might be very tough for any president to accomplish though. I think Obama has done a pretty good job shifting toward soft power on foreign policy (not that that's his sole take on foreign policy), compared to the Bush years.

I think that Romney's strengths lie only in domestic economic policy. I can't see him as effective on any kind of international front, militarily or economically.

the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein