I don't think that is the case. I seen that cleaner less extreme image with Dr. Pierce and joined this site. I feel people at this site share most of the same views I have on things. I think the Pro White cleaner stance goes further with many more whites because they don't see us as full of hate but as just being proud of our race and not wanting to mix with the lower races.

I love Dr. Pierce and I credit him the most with my racial and ideological education and maturation. But looking at things realistically his approach did not have any real success in reaching and recruiting the masses or even a signficant portion of them. At least not any more than the less cleaner and more openly extreme types. The most success he achieved in reaching people was through The Turner Diaries (a pretty extreme novel but my favorte book of all time) and that was only through its connection with the Silent Brotherhood and the Oklahoma City bombing.

Sure it is better to not present ourselves as buffoons and cartoons to the public but it really will not make much of a difference if you wear a Swastika, a Klan Robe or a business suit or if you call yourself a White spuremacist or a seperatist or racial rialist or a patriot or whatever WNs try to do to change their image. Our enemies will still paint us with the same brush and try to crush us all the same. The great majority will also view us just as their tv tells them to.

I think Rockwell articulated perfectly the fact that anyone expressing pride in their white heritage will automatically be called a "nazi," so addressing what National Socialism in fact is and informing the public, instead of trying to deny the truth can be quite beneficial.

In my personal opinion, being honest and upfront about things is always the right choice. However, in my mind this by no means means that everyone in our movement must proudly proclaim their allegiance to Adolf Hitler or waive a swastika banner. Some people identify more with something other than National Socialism, and many feel that they are American before all else. These people should speak from their true feelings as much as anyone who looks to Hitler.

As for me, I was drawn into this way of thinking by the very person of Adolf Hitler and nothing else. I read Mein Kampf not knowing that anyone else felt the way I did. National Alliance, William Pierce's organization, was in fact the first group of like minded people I found, but had I not seen the swastikas on Resistance Forum when I accidentally stumbled on it, I would have shown no interest.

People are drawn in by different things, and once they have a more coherent set of beliefs, those beliefs still differ greatly. I believe everyone should speak from their hearts, thus will they reach like minded people. People respond to sincerity and passion, they recoil from calculated and compromised arguments.

Before anyone says anything, I admit that National Socialism was NOT about white pride. There was no need for it back then, as there was no immigrant invasion of white countries. It was about Germanic pride, and that's enough.

National Socialism is to me the best way for Germanics, but there are many different types of fascism around and that is better for other people.

I think Rockwell articulated perfectly the fact that anyone expressing pride in their white heritage will automatically be called a "nazi," so addressing what National Socialism in fact is and informing the public, instead of trying to deny the truth can be quite beneficial.

According to Rockwell he began using the Swastika and the Nazi name in order to reach the people. Before that he worked with other conservative and patriotic groups and the Jewish press totally blacked them out. The press would not cover or mention their speeches and protests or their very existence. Their activities amounted to little more then passing fliers and pamphlets to each other in someones basement.

The Swastika and the Nazi name made a splash and forced the Jews to acknowledge their existence and cover their speeches and protests. As he said the people might get a distorted image of us but at least they get some image of us. At least they know that we exist and that we are fighting communism and race mixing. You can't reach a man until he knows you exist. Granted it was different time then with no internet, casettes/CDs, videotapes/DVDs, only three networks, etc so it was much harder to get your message out but the basic premise still holds true.

He also said that their extreme image kept away the fakers, hobbyists and pantywaist that usually swarm and dilute the "conservative" and "patriotic" groups and brought him the more militant and extreme, i.e the fighters, in the population (Hitler used a similiar philosophy with the National Socialists in their early days).

If not for Rockwell and the ANP the WN movement (besides some Klan groups) would not have come to pass in the US (at least no where near what it became and what it is now).

Oh wow, you actually read myjeepgrand87132's entire post? That must be a new personal record.

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Originally Posted by Mkk

Before anyone says anything, I admit that National Socialism was NOT about white pride. There was no need for it back then, as there was no immigrant invasion of white countries. It was about Germanic pride, and that's enough.

National Socialism is to me the best way for Germanics, but there are many different types of fascism around and that is better for other people.

Not entirely true, I'll use Golden-Dawn as an example: they're focused on Greek-Nationalism first and White-Nationalism second - it's all a matter of immediate priority.

I will say, though, that the concept of seperate but united, that prevailed at that time - and still does today - was a bad policy. A Pan-European Federation, like as ascribed in Oswald Mosley's concept, Europe a Nation, would be much more efficient.

National Socialism is to me the best way for Germanics, but there are many different types of fascism around and that is better for other people.

I don't see why National Socialism can only be for "Germanics".

As for 'fascism' - in my opinion that's a worthless term. I've never seen a decent description of it yet.

Basically what we need is nationalism - applied first to the nation, then to the race - with a balance between capitalism and Communism, which was what NS was. The state need not own everything, but it should own the essential services of the nation.

The main point of debate I can see is whether we should have some kind of 'united western world' (i.e white countries) with national governments being used only for lesser affairs (like the Scottish Parliament for example). Or whether we should have national sovereignty but with some kind of NATO-like alliance between us all.

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"[The Jewish nation] dares spread an irreconcilable hatred against all nations; it revolts against all its masters. Always superstitious, always avid of the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous, crawling in misfortune, and insolent in prosperity. Here are what were the Jews in the eyes of the Greeks and the Romans who could read their books." ~ Voltaire, Essai sur les mœurs (1756) Tome 1, page 186

"I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people [Jews] would not some day become deadly to the human race." ~ Voltaire, Lettres de Memmius a Ciceron (1771)

"If the race is in danger of being oppressed or even exterminated, the question of legality is only of secondary importance."
"The world is not for faint-hearted races" —Adolf Hitler, Volume 1, Chapter 3, Mein Kampf

It is many things. Basically it is a nationalist totalitarian system that promotes a middle path between capitalism and communism called corporatism.

Well, not really, that's a misconception. Corporatism is where the state works for the benefit of economic powers, which eventually leads to a Corporatocracy, whereby the country is ruled by corporations, directly or indirectly. Corporatism is the stepping stone between Capitalism and a Corporatocracy. The misconception stems, I think, from Mussolini and the Italian Fascists utilizing some of the Italian Corporatist ideology in the creation of Fascism. I know that Oswald Mosley uses the term "corporation" in some of his writings, like Fascism: 100 Questions and Answers, but what he describes is not really a corporation, rather it is more like a civil-pact or guild.