tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post6665564992554795002..comments2019-02-22T04:20:26.251-08:00Comments on EU Law Analysis: What “mutual recognition” really entails: analysis of the Prime Minister's Mansion House Brexit policy speechSteve Peershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05869161329197244113noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-13674201621265809852018-10-11T05:48:31.846-07:002018-10-11T05:48:31.846-07:00Mmm. Posted anonymously..
Why are ardent Brexite...Mmm. Posted anonymously.. <br /><br />Why are ardent Brexiteers such cowards? Ged Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14906835265687672800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-65788970372025084572018-10-11T05:46:42.452-07:002018-10-11T05:46:42.452-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ged Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14906835265687672800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-41902216826515342992018-10-11T05:44:09.484-07:002018-10-11T05:44:09.484-07:00Is it possible that you have no substantive argume...Is it possible that you have no substantive argument, so resort to an ad hominem claim that you don&#39;t even attempt to substantiate? Most academics are paid primarily by the universities and colleges they work for. Steve Peershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05869161329197244113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-9356296271760747392018-10-11T05:30:41.363-07:002018-10-11T05:30:41.363-07:00is it possible that Professor Weatherill is rather...is it possible that Professor Weatherill is rather annoyed that the EU gravy train to which the UK has been saddled for so long is going to be cut free, thereby depriving him of the income he has earned for so many years making sense of the incomprehensible - namely the interaction between UK law and EU law. Soon Mr Weatherill we will be making our own laws again, and high time!<br /><br />And by the by, I love travelling to other European countries, and I love most of my fellow Europeans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-68970792650612891982018-03-31T03:23:29.872-07:002018-03-31T03:23:29.872-07:00&quot;Another metropolitan elite liberal left wing...&quot;Another metropolitan elite liberal left wing (marxist?) academic expert&quot; <br /><br />&quot;I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.&quot; - Margaret Thatcher Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-23675118947796031422018-03-22T23:00:39.345-07:002018-03-22T23:00:39.345-07:00Well, look at it from the EU27 perspective: If we ...Well, look at it from the EU27 perspective: If we gave you &#39;mutual recognition&#39;, we would allow extra-territorial law to apply in the EU. We would essentially need the UK&#39;s permission/independent arbitration to withdraw recognition if the arrangement was mutual. <br /><br />That is, you would have a say over what kind of goods were placed on our markets without us having the same recourse to the tools we have against unfair competition or substandard goods as we have in the EU. Starting with the individual&#39;s right eventually to take issues to the ECJ continuing to the right of the EU imposing harmonisation on competition distorting issues. No EU member state is going to sign up to that. Their voters would kill them. Imagine asking the same from the US. What do you think the US Congress would say?<br /><br />So, in reality, what she is speaking about is EEA membership without EEA obligations and judicial and enforcement structures. Not going to fly. If we gave it to the UK, we would need to give it to Norway and Switzerland. Worse, if we gave it to you as a part of a regular FTA, we would need to give it to Canada, Japan, South Korea etc., because of the WTO Most Favoured Nation clause. Do you think that we are going to spend the next 20 years renegotiating the whole EU-nonEU agreement structure instead of focusing on the more pressing problems of our own making?<br /><br />So, no, not going to happen. The EU27 have actually said this already when the Council and EU the Parliament said that they will maintain regulatory independence and guard the integrity of the single market and maintain a level playing field among third-countries, in case you have not read in-between the lines. And the Parliament stated clearly that there was not going to be any membership of EU regulatory agencies or databases, but cooperation in fields that are already open for third-countries, that is, not the same thing as the level of cooperation Switzerland and EEA countries have. <br /><br />But as the EU27 have maintained: you are free to change your red lines and go for the Norway option or for the Customs Union. You are also welcomed back as a full member should you decide to do so before March 29th 2019. We are sad to see you go, but we are not going to wreck the EU and surrender our legislative sovereignty to a third-country via this &#39;arbitration panel&#39; so that you won&#39;t have to take responsibility for your own choices. And I am sorry to be blunt, but somebody has to tell it like it is. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-62175550259193594092018-03-22T22:27:08.118-07:002018-03-22T22:27:08.118-07:00Excellent article! Excellent article! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-41554889615584953052018-03-11T13:47:11.403-07:002018-03-11T13:47:11.403-07:00You mean like the ECJ? That arbitration body she h...You mean like the ECJ? That arbitration body she herself needlessly ruled out?Fabiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02626804603479699414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-28387052039741093172018-03-10T08:00:54.784-08:002018-03-10T08:00:54.784-08:00You have ticked every box on my Brexit Buzzword Bi...You have ticked every box on my Brexit Buzzword Bingo card. Splendid effort!Crispin Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07418675834392450900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-39448927824403588702018-03-08T13:17:38.349-08:002018-03-08T13:17:38.349-08:00Thank you for such an interesting piece. I don&#39...Thank you for such an interesting piece. I don&#39;t see, possibly due to my own ignorance, at what point in her speech Theresa May requested &#39;unconditional&#39; mutual recognition.<br /><br />&#39;If the Parliament of the day decided not to achieve the same outcomes as EU law, it would be in the knowledge that there may be consequences for our market access.<br /><br />And there will need to be an independent mechanism to oversee these arrangements.&#39;<br /><br />As I understand it, May said she envisages mutual recognition *unless* the UK (or also, presumably, the EU) chose to diverge. That suggests that the condition for recognition isn&#39;t, as you say, &#39;simply because those goods and services comply with UK law,&#39;.Rather, the condition is that UK/EU goods and services meet, in their own way, the outcomes agreed as desirable by the EU and UK.<br /><br />Where it is contested that goods and services meet the agreed desired outcome, she proposes an independent arbitration mechanism.<br /><br />Nothing about this is unconditional. And given that May&#39;s proposed &#39;comprehensive mutual recognition&#39; couldn&#39;t possibly grant the enforceable, certain right to trade that comes with compliance with single market rules, why do you say she proposes a better third-country deal than a member state could enjoy?Wild and whirling wordshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008065038496728607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-12393636339010613352018-03-07T04:09:04.770-08:002018-03-07T04:09:04.770-08:00You forgot to mention us escaping from under the ...You forgot to mention us escaping from under the &quot;Jacques Boot&quot; of EU oppression.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08133025506213484622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-87711029992483347312018-03-07T03:34:08.973-08:002018-03-07T03:34:08.973-08:00I am afraid that most people are focussing on the ...I am afraid that most people are focussing on the &#39;day one&#39; post-Brexit position. Once May has delivered (any kind of) Brexit she will be tossed aside in an unseemly scramble to become party leader/PM. Bets that Brexit ought to relegate the Conservatives to the opposition benches for a generation are ignoring the electorate&#39;s often fickle intent and the vicissitudes of British elections. Post-Brexit anything can happen - and probably will. Present times will be seen as a paragon of stabilityPaul Cairnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12805201091015461682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-88293760201111289302018-03-07T02:23:03.985-08:002018-03-07T02:23:03.985-08:00Theresa May has set expectations very high with th...Theresa May has set expectations very high with this speech. Although, most of the public won&#39;t be aware of it, with bulletins dominated by the &#39;beast from the east&#39; and storm Emma. <br /><br />High expectations could bring the Government down. It is unlikely the UK will achieve a bargain anywhere near what has been outlined by the Government. The compromise will be unpopular with MP&#39;s and the public.<br /><br />If Parliament vote against the Brexit deal, then Mr Corbyn may end up in Number 10 and what happens after that is anyone&#39;s guess.Zach Thorntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05181050143745679137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-38972181123583695902018-03-07T02:03:51.636-08:002018-03-07T02:03:51.636-08:00Of course you are joking, anonymous, otherwise you...Of course you are joking, anonymous, otherwise you can&#39;t visit normal physicians/dentists or fly with licensed pilots.James Beckmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00980114963697253634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-78515131627186422872018-03-07T01:52:15.517-08:002018-03-07T01:52:15.517-08:00It&#39;s not simply a question of a trade surplus ...It&#39;s not simply a question of a trade surplus or deficit. A far bigger *percentage* of the UK&#39;s goods exports go to the EU27 than the other way around. Steve Peershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05869161329197244113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-101892217670579302018-03-06T22:47:25.315-08:002018-03-06T22:47:25.315-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Abdulrazaq Abdulwahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15395016806475301200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-68022671574295748902018-03-06T22:46:46.953-08:002018-03-06T22:46:46.953-08:00This a discourse of very well versed people about ...This a discourse of very well versed people about the subject matter. The author has done an incredible job simplifying the issue in my opinion.Abdulrazaq Abdulwahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15395016806475301200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-45082806378642426712018-03-06T17:28:09.006-08:002018-03-06T17:28:09.006-08:00Oh dear!
Another metropolitan elite liberal left ...Oh dear!<br /><br />Another metropolitan elite liberal left wing (marxist?) academic expert pours scorn and derision (even after the Right Honourable Michael Gove warned the nation that “people in this country have had enough of experts”) on the brilliant, illuminating, unifying speech, exemplifying the will of the people, from our most glorious, hard working, and patriotic (even saintly) Prime Minister Theresa May who is striving to give the nation a red, white, and blue Brexit that will be a titanic success, while still maintaining a special, deep and meaningful relationship with all those obnoxious ungrateful foreigners subsisting on the other side of the English Channel, that we either defeated (the Huns) or liberated (the Belgians and the French) in two world wars (not for the purpose of enslavement by the EUSSR Brussel bureaucrats).<br /><br />Once the UK is independent and cast off its EU shackles, I can guarantee you, that Prime Minister May in her glorious triumph will indeed ensure that unicorns once again will roam the land, no longer banned by a Brussel diktat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-82851773631723286002018-03-06T16:01:47.832-08:002018-03-06T16:01:47.832-08:00Well if they wont why would anyone deliver them th...Well if they wont why would anyone deliver them there? In other words our points of entry prevail?neutralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18421647928293240102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-48386888145949789542018-03-06T15:16:53.229-08:002018-03-06T15:16:53.229-08:00Superb pieceSuperb pieceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-68284843082563711772018-03-06T14:28:22.022-08:002018-03-06T14:28:22.022-08:00The speech is not aimed at addressing technical is...The speech is not aimed at addressing technical issues. It is trying to give an overview of a desired outcome with some ideas for exploring.<br />She did say that neither side will get all that they want.<br /><br />But of course the EU would want a Canada type deal because they have a huge trade surplus in goods.<br />For us to agree to that, we need something on services.<br /><br />Otherwise we may well just go ahead for a WTO deal.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08988074509154219935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-65647368431887829832018-03-06T13:54:31.508-08:002018-03-06T13:54:31.508-08:00Surely the EU would not after all be “A collaborat...Surely the EU would not after all be “A collaborative, objective framework that is reciprocal, mutually agreed, and permanent and therefore reliable for businesses” when it comes to sectors where Britain has comparative advantage over EU countries (thinking driverless cars and similar tech for example)?Aki Lunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04134786910339586016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-39920753878729397092018-03-06T11:56:47.207-08:002018-03-06T11:56:47.207-08:00I read the speech as aiming for a brexit that is ...I read the speech as aiming for a brexit that is hard in name but soft in practice. Involving fudge after fudge that give the impression of sovereignty, while retaining the obligations of the past. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-71946731951428662722018-03-06T11:23:14.573-08:002018-03-06T11:23:14.573-08:00one typo - eurospectics = eurosceptics (I assume)....one typo - eurospectics = eurosceptics (I assume)..ContractJob.Nethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05739142236296875901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8704899696538705849.post-22327847599527124052018-03-05T15:06:11.761-08:002018-03-05T15:06:11.761-08:00It is not included in CETA. There is an agreement ...It is not included in CETA. There is an agreement to agree to talk. Maybe. See ch 21 et al. The weakest treaty language I’ve ever seen. Lorand Bartelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03021917140786330408noreply@blogger.com