NYPD to Victim of Anti-Gay Attack: 'It Has to Be Something Bigger'

Said Hayes: "We showed them my friend's lip, which had been cut when he got hit in
the face. They basically said that they couldn't get him
for assault because there was no physical injury. And we said, 'We just
showed you the cut.' And they said, 'Well, it has to be something
bigger than that. And we can't charge him with harassment because we
didn't see it happen.'...It's almost like they were saying it was OK.
He didn't hit you hard enough. Forget about what he said to you."

The NYPD Hate Crimes Task Force met with the victims of Saturday's attack early this afternoon.

Comments

I want to see a pic of the guy who's enough of a bruiser to take on four guys at once.

Posted by: JT | Sep 28, 2009 8:19:49 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if the Mick gin mill in question is frequented by off duty cops and/or NYFD; hence the hands off treatment. Get every barkeep and employee checked out by Immigration and deport any who don't have proper status. See if they can find work in the so-called Emerald Isle with 20+ percent unemployment.

Posted by: Contrarian | Sep 28, 2009 8:21:32 PM

@ CONTRARIAN, where did you get, "Get every barkeep and employee checked out by Immigration and deport any who don't have proper status." from?

Posted by: Bob | Sep 28, 2009 8:31:19 PM

Gay people need to stop taking this crap and beat the crap out of these bashers. Oh but then again gay people don't stick up for themselves.

Posted by: Owen | Sep 28, 2009 8:32:39 PM

"Mick gin mill"?!?

Someone has seen too many road shows of Guys and Dolls

Posted by: Christopher | Sep 28, 2009 8:47:21 PM

You mean 1 str8 guy took down 4 gay men? No please no. No No No. With all the time spent in the gym. No No No. And young Gay men have such attitude and arrogance. You mean 4 arrogant Gay men are brought down by one idiot str8 basher? The crisis is not in Gay bashing, the crisis is with Weak Gay men.

Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Sep 28, 2009 8:53:24 PM

"Mick gin mill". As if James Cagney was going to come running out and break it up.

Posted by: JT | Sep 28, 2009 8:56:18 PM

So, Ya Seez, me and Mugsy was at the joint, you know the one with the pansies, ya seez and So Mugsy says "lets kick some Pansy Patooty!" So Iz sayz ,"yeah!" So we did. Then so you seez, when went down to the other joint. The Mick bar and had O'Reilly rustle up some gin and a coupla floozys and went back to the flophouse before heading out to Minskys. Ya seez?

Guys, we all know what the "bigger man" is supposed to do when confronted in a situation like this one but it is obvious that the "bigger man" tactic is not working because they continue to kick our asses. These were FOUR FUCKING GUYS and they couldn't even react in any way, shape or form? If we don't start standing up for ourselves, this will continue to happen!

Posted by: GIO | Sep 28, 2009 9:05:34 PM

LOL, Derek. Or should I say Derek Runyon.

Posted by: JT | Sep 28, 2009 9:11:25 PM

And yet, again, I am amazed at my fellow gays' inability to stick to the subject. Instead of commenting on the story at hand, this thread devolves into a snipefest of queens trying to put each other down.

Posted by: Buck | Sep 28, 2009 9:14:04 PM

But, seriously folks, I do think this Blake Hayes and company should drop this because, rightly or wrongly, the NYPD IS always blowing off the more "trivial" crimes (when injuries are not that severe), and take this as a learning experience. Enroll in some courses and learn to kick ass.

Posted by: JT | Sep 28, 2009 9:17:24 PM

wow, people on here are homophobic straight people (how's that gay link gonna look in your internet history), or really self-loathing, i wish i was straight "butch" gay guys.

i bet you all go around blaming rape victims too and thinking if we all had guns there'd be no crime. Getting verbally into an argument with someone who threw a lit cigarette at you and called you a faggot does not mean you should be prepared to fight. Getting into a fight could easily mean one or two people get seriously hurt, who was the victim could amazingly become the aggressor and suspect, and you don't know the size or physical training (military or police service) differences between the people.

If you get cut and bleed from a man punching you and the police say they can't do anything, that's bullshit. I see kids locked up, under 15, for much less every day. these cops, and I will say midtown north cops generally seem annoyed at handling regular calls...i guess they like big fancy Times Square assignments fighting terror more.

Gay guys should be prepared to defend themselves, as should everyone, but it IS the police department's responsibility to try and prevent those incidents from occurring, and when they do, to fully investigate and appropriately charge those involved.

Posted by: chrisnyc | Sep 28, 2009 9:23:43 PM

I have to repeat my late dads admonition, "it takes a man to walk away from a fight." He also said if soemone comes after you, "kick their ass."

my partner was incarcerated on riker's island and the Corrections Officers harassed him on a daily basis, called him a fag and taunted him in front of the other inmates. luckily Senator Duane and his staff assisted me in having him transferred from the facility. i'm not surprised the nypd did nothing to help these three guys. it's very scary when law enforcement does more harm than good. i no longer trust the police department

Posted by: tkm | Sep 28, 2009 10:56:51 PM

STOP PRETENDING GAY MEN ARE HELPLESS.

There were FOUR SMART, SOBER, FIT, ABLE BODIED Gay guys NONE of whom were drunk, high or in wheelchairs, NONE of whom were in any way prevented from fighting back. Their "attacker" was one DRUNK guy with impaired consciousness and reflexes. AND THEY STILL LET HIM BEAT THEM AND INTIMIDATE THEM.

One of The Gays could have called the cops while the other two or three fought back and/or restrained the basher until the police arrived. What did these guys think was going to happen BETWEEN a call to the cops and the cops arrival?! That the basher would just stop his attack and politely wait?! RESTRAINING AN ATTACKER IS A MEANS OF SELF-DEFENSE. TO RESTRAIN AN ATTACKER YOU MUST KNOW HOW TO FIGHT. YOU MUST KNOW HOW TO SUBDUE AN OPPONENT WITH LITTLE OR NO SERIOUS INJURY. Not very hard to do. Especially if it's one old drunk guy.

How many Gay guys who go out in groups actually make an action plan like that? How many even care to?

It is lazy, arrogant and self-entitled (not to mention self-loathing) to live in a large dangerous city where anti-Gay hate crimes occur on a demonstrably regular basis WITHOUT any means of self-defense.

I'm tired of Gays who are so fucking deluded by PC bullshit they feel ENTITLED TO PITY AND PROTECTION FROM OTHERS. No one ever got their full civil rights by feeling self-entitled. They had to fight.

STOP PRETENDING GAY MEN ARE HELPLESS.

Posted by: Mark | Sep 28, 2009 10:59:12 PM

Where in ANY of these reports does is say there were 4 gay guys. There were only 3. Reading comprehension is important... RETARDS!

Posted by: Dan | Sep 28, 2009 11:12:50 PM

this is insanity. people are seriously saying that the most credible response in this situation would be for the victims to start throwing punches? why? why do you think that's ok? i've lived in NYC for 20 years and i don't live on that planet!
no matter what is said, no matter how many epithets are thrown around, you never NEVER EVER let it get to the point of physical violence, and if it DOES happen, then you CALL THE POLICE. period. what don't you get about that? why is that not your first response?
for all you people blaming the victims, i'd like to know how many fights you've been in. and i'd like to know how many times you've walked the streets of NYC late at night. i'm shocked by very little, but honestly, if any of you out there who are judging and blaming the victims (who obviously ALL go to the gym, right? wtf is that about?) and you're gay - hey, the next time someone hits you? don't bother to call the police. that will be one less hate crime reported. thanks.

Posted by: wbnyc | Sep 28, 2009 11:14:31 PM

WBNYC : Lived in NYC most of my life. Born here too. Twice in my life have been attacked by multiple queer bashers, both times turned the tables and beat the crap out of them. You're suggesting if one is physically attacked to just let yourself get pummelled, then (if you've survived) call the police? I don't live on THAT planet.