I saw an article in The Daily Caller that made me think that an attempt is beginning to fight back against stupidity and error. That
encouraged me greatly. There might even be a way to bring that idea to ATS. It will be a challenge, of course, one might say monumental, but it is
worth trying.

I'll get to that article in a new thread, unless someone has already posted it, but for now let's look at the non sequitur which keeps
popping up in this thread.

Would you call them the Nazis? How about the Noosemakers? How about the abortionists? Or any of the other misdirected examples. If those questions
have been thought about, it shows that the people behind them are racist and hate Indians.

Why? Noosemakers, Nazis, Death Camp, or Gas Chamber, all indicate the group did unspeakably horrible things. By comparing the Redskins to the Nazis,
the claim is being made that the Redskins did unspeakably horrible things. Nobody is saying that the Redskins are doing terrible things, the only
people who seem to take that position are those coming off with this strange comparison.

If you had asked me I would be offended by calling them "The murdering savages," of course I would. But note well. I said I would be offended.
Just offended.

Show me that, before the last 6 months, either the American people, or the subset of Indians, were offended by the name. Not the number of leadership
groups. The percentage of people. Show me that it was 51%. Heck, show me honest figures saying that 1/3 of either group thought the team should
change it's name because it was offensive. You can't. Try for 1/4?

We're dealing with manufactured outrage for two reasons. One, if society thinks you're a victim, you can try for special bonuses (maybe even some
cash). Notice that about 1/3 of America is white male (36%). Take away the youth, the Gays, Muslims, and any other group that is a victim and we
have, what 4 victims for every one victimizer? Keep this up and everybody will be a victim making claims on everybody else. Ooops! I forgot the
poor, they're victims. I haven't run the stats, but it looks like 90% of the country are victims.

Secondly, it is both a convenient distraction and a way to reintroduce the word "Racism" into the national discussion. People have given up
defending Obama on the grounds that attacks on him are "Racist." If this keeps up we'll be a people who aren't sweating over race any more.
That would put Sharpton, Farrakhan, in short, the whole racism industry out of work and they'd have to find jobs writing for The New York
Times, or hosting on MSNBC.

Yes, Love is absolutely essential. I will not change my signature. But, you can not love based on lies.

Why? Noosemakers, Nazis, Death Camp, or Gas Chamber, all indicate the group did unspeakably horrible things. By comparing the Redskins to the Nazis,
the claim is being made that the Redskins did unspeakably horrible things. Nobody is saying that the Redskins are doing terrible things, the only
people who seem to take that position are those coming off with this strange comparison.

You're right Charles. Those are not good examples. A better example would be the one I suggested a few posts above. That example includes a racial
slur that is obvious, and implies victims whom had something unspeakable done to them.

If you don't like that example, how about another word used to describe black people during the slave era - "darkies". During that time, the term
darkie was just slang for a darker skin person. Even blacks used it during those days. It wasn't considered derogatory in and of itself. But, try
calling a black person that now. Why would a term that simply means dark skin person be considered offensive? Probably because it harkens back to a
time when blacks were not thought of as equals.

Show me that, before the last 6 months, either the American people, or the subset of Indians, were offended by the name. Not the number of
leadership groups. The percentage of people. Show me that it was 51%. Heck, show me honest figures saying that 1/3 of either group thought the team
should change it's name because it was offensive. You can't. Try for 1/4?

Try calling one of the indigenous people of America (someone you don't know very well) a "redskin", and see their reaction. I dare you. Don't ask
them if the name of the Washington team bothers them. Just call them that in passing. I'd be willing to bet they wouldn't like it too much. Heck,
you'd probably be uncomfortable calling them that. If you'd be uncomfortable, imagine how they'd feel.

We're dealing with manufactured outrage for two reasons. One, if society thinks you're a victim, you can try for special bonuses (maybe even
some cash). Notice that about 1/3 of America is white male (36%). Take away the youth, the Gays, Muslims, and any other group that is a victim and
we have, what 4 victims for every one victimizer? Keep this up and everybody will be a victim making claims on everybody else. Ooops! I forgot the
poor, they're victims. I haven't run the stats, but it looks like 90% of the country are victims.

Secondly, it is both a convenient distraction and a way to reintroduce the word "Racism" into the national discussion. People have given up
defending Obama on the grounds that attacks on him are "Racist." If this keeps up we'll be a people who aren't sweating over race any more.
That would put Sharpton, Farrakhan, in short, the whole racism industry out of work and they'd have to find jobs writing for The New York
Times, or hosting on MSNBC.

These are some pretty inadequate arguments, and you know it. Are there bigger problems in this country than the name of a football team? You bet. The
thing is, this shouldn't even be a debate today. I understand having the name Redskins in 1933. It was a different time when all kinds of slurs were
used on a regular basis, without too much guilt or thought put into it. But 1964 is the time when we started thinking about the effects of some of
those slurs. That's when the term "Redskins" should have gone away, but the indigenous people just weren't loud enough, I guess.

Bottom line: if you would be uncomfortable calling a stranger a specific slang term to their face, it's probably not a good idea to name a team after
that term.

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