409 items actually have little to do with this shit. It's a bug where veng would calculate your damage as unmitigated, even tho you're mitigating 99% of it. This allows both invincibility and absurd amounts of AP.

Other classes are pretty strong with these items but nothing out of hand. They managed to progress through heroic DS which was real challenge for lv80 characters. Soloing LK25 HC isn't anything special either, the mount drop rate is absymal anyway. Think of something like Kaelthas, every nub and their mother can now solo this boss at 90.

Old content is old content - fucks given: 0. They could've fixed that without impacting max-level raiding though, like tanking Windlord or Empress adds. All thats needed is exclusion of MOP raids of 5.1 "no raid group and lvl req" feature. This pala soloing LK or Nef or Raggy HC - no one cares. Soloing Elegon - well, he killed a boss which was cockblock for HALF of raiding guilds...SOLO.

the only problem with the 409 gear atm is that DKs and and maybe paladins can get 121%+ avoidance, lower parry from str and its fixed. could change this for 80 only, so it would not affect level 90 at all. But i agree with alot of ppl here, fixing the vengenace bug instead would be great.

I'd hate to see hard level caps for raids again, as level 80s vs 85 content is fun. Could just reinforce a cap vs 90 raids i guess.

the only problem with the 409 gear atm is that DKs and and maybe paladins can get 121%+ avoidance, lower parry from str and its fixed. could change this for 80 only, so it would not affect level 90 at all. But i agree with alot of ppl here, fixing the vengenace bug instead would be great.

I'd hate to see hard level caps for raids again, as level 80s vs 85 content is fun. Could just reinforce a cap vs 90 raids i guess.

80s vs 85 content would become impossible though if those 409 items were to be taken away from 80s.

I don't think this should be treated as an exploit generally. The only weird thing is the level requirement for the recent raids. Why does anyone bother, if there's a level 80 soloing 80 or 85 content? It's outdated and it doesn't hurt anyone if those soloing guys clear these instances. It's another challenge on the other hand, so it's a special (most of the time rare) task. It's only a problem, if they clear any level 90 raid.

I personally like to watch these soloing videos, but I also know how much effort they put into it to achieve their goal. And this is why I respect their success and don't want to take that away from them.

Heh this happened sooner than I thought. Funny that instead of fixing the actual cause, they just go and cap vengeance at your max HP. So you can still bug it, but the most you'd get is 100k which isn't nearly enough to solo anything beyond ICC10 or something like that.

Heh this happened sooner than I thought. Funny that instead of fixing the actual cause, they just go and cap vengeance at your max HP. So you can still bug it, but the most you'd get is 100k which isn't nearly enough to solo anything beyond ICC10 or something like that.