Amateur white women in group sex with black men

I am a European, hetero male in late middle age, and I posting here in order to hopefully get some information about a subject of considerable interest to me. Over the years, my favourite pornographic subject has come to be amateur-produced images and videos of white women having group sex with black men. Many or most of these images and vids (and here I know I may be generalising wildly!) seem to be of amateur women, in the sense of their not being professional sex workers, often of middle-aged (but frequently attractive in non-glamorous ways) and middle-class women, and in their great majority, of Americans.

The images and vids come in three general categories: a single white woman with two or three black men; two white women with two to six or more black men; and entire groups of white women and black men. The activity can range from cock-sucking by otherwise dressed or half-naked women to double anal/vaginal penetration whilst sucking a third cock. Similarly, the sex can range from gentle to apparently quite brutal.

My curiosity, which is quite genuine if of course also prurient, is what the background of this activity might be. Amongst other questions raised might be: Are the men involved pros or semi-pros? Does anyone get paid for participating? How is it that in most cases, nobody seems to mind being photographed? Are the women ever sex workers? How doe the women (or couples) involved actually end up with two or more black participants whom they can implicitly trust? How do the women relate to each other - are they friends, or strangers? And how do so many apparently everyday, middle-class women decide to let themselves to be double and triple-penetrated by what are presumably strangers - something usually described in the literature as being one of the more extreme forms of (non-S&M) heterosexual group activity.

The first answer which occurs is, of course, that these are all members of swinger groups. No doubt some are; but I'm familiar with swinger photographs and videos, and most of the material I'm describing seems quite different. Depictions of swinger orgies are generally relatively light-hearted, often funny and in some ways impersonal; depictions of a woman being worked over by two or three blacks tend to be more intense, private, somehow serious and above all very personal.

I'd be grateful for some background, here - not fantasies, but information and even accounts by some actual participants would be very welcome. Thanks in advance.

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Dude the shit is produced. American porn has largely shifted away from the corny storylines of yore. Much porn is now produced to have a more realistic feel. With the internet to market the stuff, there is more niche porn than ever, such as this. The porn industry has long perpetuated the "Big Black Cock" myth. The porn industry also realizes that not everyone is turned on by 18-24 year old women with unrealistic bodies. BBW's, MILF's and GILF's are now quite common in much porn. So it is no surprise to see the myth that suburban housewifes have only ever seen tiny white dicks and secretly lust over giant black schlongs when their husbands are away. The taboo-ness of it all still sells. Kinda funny that you don't see as much with white men with huge cocks and black women. In reality, at least in the Northeast US where I have personally observed, White women who have paired off with a black man tend to be fat and/or ugly. But, black women that have paired off with a white man tend to be quite beautiful. No, not in all cases, but this is VERY common in US interracial couples.

Remember, porn is not a window on reality. Porn gets produced to sell.

I second that. I don't watch port, but my guess is that what people think is amateur is just pro made to look like amateur. Why? Because people who don't work in the industry have other jobs they probably want to keep.

Being a woman, I know just how some men can be disagreeable when you give any hint you're a sexual person. Some think that if I like sex, I would necessarily wanna have sex with them. These pseudo amateur women would have to deal with a lot of harrassement and stalkers if they were real.

About swingers clubs, we have gangbangs and everything may happen. But I'm yet to see anyone with a camera being welcomed.

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Interracial porn is weird here in the US..theres a lot of the nuances Cappy pointed out(many of which i think could use an explanation from a POC, but i digress) but because of our history with slavery, theres a lot of internalized salaciousness that goes along with it. I think the difference between a swinger orgy and a black man on white woman gangbang is the power dynamic. Orgies are about everyone having a good time, a lot of bm/ww porn is the black man exerting his mythical sexual power over the white woman...or the real mindfuck, the white man(usually in a cuckold form) showing his dominance over his woman and the man/men he allows to touch his wife. That all being said, despite the underlying mindsets, what strikes me as interesting(especially in the wake of the latest James Deen allegations) is just how consensual the sexual acts tend to be. Considering how historically our country has reveled in painting black men as a threat to the purity of the white woman, these encounters never seem to turn out rapey. Everyone respects everyone else and while the woman may be triple plugged by abnormally large penises at any given time, ive never seen a safe word needing to be used.
In response to Cappys Northeastern US observations of interracial behavior id agree many white women who pair with black men tend to be bigger, but i think that speaks to a greater body acceptance among the black community...our models and mainstream sex symbols have shown much more diversity in size and body shape than our eurocentric counterparts..so no small wonder many white and other non black women who don't necessarily measure to eurocentric beauty and body standards find fans in black men.
And as for black women, ive had the exact opposite experience, those who end up with white men are not conventially attractive by eurocentric or African American standards unless.. theyve fetishized white men as a the ultimate social/economic boost(common amongst asian women as well) to get ahead in this country, or they're of means themselves and refuse to date below their tax bracket(thereby eliminating a large swath of the black male population), or they're seeking to exploit the stereotype of the strong black woman and use it to dominate the relationship with a supposedly demure "white boy".

Interracial porn is weird here in the US..theres a lot of the nuances Cappy pointed out(many of which i think could use an explanation from a POC, but i digress) but because of our history with slavery, theres a lot of internalized salaciousness that goes along with it. I think the difference between a swinger orgy and a black man on white woman gangbang is the power dynamic. Orgies are about everyone having a good time, a lot of bm/ww porn is the black man exerting his mythical sexual power over the white woman...or the real mindfuck, the white man(usually in a cuckold form) showing his dominance over his woman and the man/men he allows to touch his wife. That all being said, despite the underlying mindsets, what strikes me as interesting(especially in the wake of the latest James Deen allegations) is just how consensual the sexual acts tend to be. Considering how historically our country has reveled in painting black men as a threat to the purity of the white woman, these encounters never seem to turn out rapey. Everyone respects everyone else and while the woman may be triple plugged by abnormally large penises at any given time, ive never seen a safe word needing to be used.
In response to Cappys Northeastern US observations of interracial behavior id agree many white women who pair with black men tend to be bigger, but i think that speaks to a greater body acceptance among the black community...our models and mainstream sex symbols have shown much more diversity in size and body shape than our eurocentric counterparts..so no small wonder many white and other non black women who don't necessarily measure to eurocentric beauty and body standards find fans in black men.
And as for black women, ive had the exact opposite experience, those who end up with white men are not conventially attractive by eurocentric or African American standards unless.. theyve fetishized white men as a the ultimate social/economic boost(common amongst asian women as well) to get ahead in this country, or they're of means themselves and refuse to date below their tax bracket(thereby eliminating a large swath of the black male population), or they're seeking to exploit the stereotype of the strong black woman and use it to dominate the relationship with a supposedly demure "white boy".

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Interracial porn is weird here in the US..theres a lot of the nuances Cappy pointed out(many of which i think could use an explanation from a POC, but i digress) but because of our history with slavery, theres a lot of internalized salaciousness that goes along with it. I think the difference between a swinger orgy and a black man on white woman gangbang is the power dynamic. Orgies are about everyone having a good time, a lot of bm/ww porn is the black man exerting his mythical sexual power over the white woman...or the real mindfuck, the white man(usually in a cuckold form) showing his dominance over his woman and the man/men he allows to touch his wife. That all being said, despite the underlying mindsets, what strikes me as interesting(especially in the wake of the latest James Deen allegations) is just how consensual the sexual acts tend to be. Considering how historically our country has reveled in painting black men as a threat to the purity of the white woman, these encounters never seem to turn out rapey. Everyone respects everyone else and while the woman may be triple plugged by abnormally large penises at any given time, ive never seen a safe word needing to be used.
In response to Cappys Northeastern US observations of interracial behavior id agree many white women who pair with black men tend to be bigger, but i think that speaks to a greater body acceptance among the black community...our models and mainstream sex symbols have shown much more diversity in size and body shape than our eurocentric counterparts..so no small wonder many white and other non black women who don't necessarily measure to eurocentric beauty and body standards find fans in black men.
And as for black women, ive had the exact opposite experience, those who end up with white men are not conventially attractive by eurocentric or African American standards unless.. theyve fetishized white men as a the ultimate social/economic boost(common amongst asian women as well) to get ahead in this country, or they're of means themselves and refuse to date below their tax bracket(thereby eliminating a large swath of the black male population), or they're seeking to exploit the stereotype of the strong black woman and use it to dominate the relationship with a supposedly demure "white boy".

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This is an interesting post. Porn and fantasies aside. Being from the rural south, I've rarely encounter'd mixed couples. Black guy and white girl. A matter a fact, The first time I noticed this was at a xxx Book store, 20 something years ago. Me and my wife were Toy shopping. We saw them come in, And it was like. " Did you see that? What the Hell ? No way Not here !" The next one I noticed was years later. The nurse at work was married to a black man. For some reason, I was not as shocked over that. I guess attitudes change as I get older. Though white guy and black girl. I haven't noticed, In my day to day life.

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I've had a number of threesomes with black guys, where we've taken pics and either posted or sold them online. Just me, them, and a camera, in our personal time. So, no. That shit's not always produced. Hell, most of you have seen pics of me with black guys if you follow me.

Dude the shit is produced. American porn has largely shifted away from the corny storylines of yore. Much porn is now produced to have a more realistic feel. With the internet to market the stuff, there is more niche porn than ever, such as this. The porn industry has long perpetuated the "Big Black Cock" myth. The porn industry also realizes that not everyone is turned on by 18-24 year old women with unrealistic bodies. BBW's, MILF's and GILF's are now quite common in much porn. So it is no surprise to see the myth that suburban housewifes have only ever seen tiny white dicks and secretly lust over giant black schlongs when their husbands are away. The taboo-ness of it all still sells. Kinda funny that you don't see as much with white men with huge cocks and black women. In reality, at least in the Northeast US where I have personally observed, White women who have paired off with a black man tend to be fat and/or ugly. But, black women that have paired off with a white man tend to be quite beautiful. No, not in all cases, but this is VERY common in US interracial couples.

Remember, porn is not a window on reality. Porn gets produced to sell.

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I have never been with an unattractive white woman in my life. and i so happen to have a really big penis.just saying, as I hear people use this argument or whatever to make some point. i dont think a lot of black dudes get with ugly white women, rather the ones who do end up in a relationship with white women, typically favor women who are chunky, black males like women who are full, not necessarily overweight, but thick/full figured woman, with real curves, some go for the overweight ones. but this is not just a seeking in white women, it really a striving with all races of women. blacks tend to appreciate thickness. in short there is a preference of overweight over skinny.

A black man, who has a less urbanized sensibility, may seek out a different standard of beauty. me personally, i like healthy thick women. i also like athletic women.. i just love women.

Interracial porn is weird here in the US..theres a lot of the nuances Cappy pointed out(many of which i think could use an explanation from a POC, but i digress) but because of our history with slavery, theres a lot of internalized salaciousness that goes along with it. I think the difference between a swinger orgy and a black man on white woman gangbang is the power dynamic. Orgies are about everyone having a good time, a lot of bm/ww porn is the black man exerting his mythical sexual power over the white woman...or the real mindfuck, the white man(usually in a cuckold form) showing his dominance over his woman and the man/men he allows to touch his wife. That all being said, despite the underlying mindsets, what strikes me as interesting(especially in the wake of the latest James Deen allegations) is just how consensual the sexual acts tend to be. Considering how historically our country has reveled in painting black men as a threat to the purity of the white woman, these encounters never seem to turn out rapey. Everyone respects everyone else and while the woman may be triple plugged by abnormally large penises at any given time, ive never seen a safe word needing to be used.
In response to Cappys Northeastern US observations of interracial behavior id agree many white women who pair with black men tend to be bigger, but i think that speaks to a greater body acceptance among the black community...our models and mainstream sex symbols have shown much more diversity in size and body shape than our eurocentric counterparts..so no small wonder many white and other non black women who don't necessarily measure to eurocentric beauty and body standards find fans in black men.
And as for black women, ive had the exact opposite experience, those who end up with white men are not conventially attractive by eurocentric or African American standards unless.. theyve fetishized white men as a the ultimate social/economic boost(common amongst asian women as well) to get ahead in this country, or they're of means themselves and refuse to date below their tax bracket(thereby eliminating a large swath of the black male population), or they're seeking to exploit the stereotype of the strong black woman and use it to dominate the relationship with a supposedly demure "white boy".

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Interracial porn is weird here in the US..theres a lot of the nuances Cappy pointed out(many of which i think could use an explanation from a POC, but i digress) ...

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I genuinely would be interested in you expanding more on this and providing greater explanation from a POC standpoint.

Briefly from me:
The porn industry is very... outdated in their approach and presentation of any person who is less than White - or as many would term it "Conventional." In fact, it's the one place that I can think of where people don't ever bother to question or seem disturbed by the total segregation of people based on their physical characteristics. Everything is categorized and fetishized. This bothers me, because I want more than "conventional" all the time in my viewing, but I also don't want to support outdated (and/or racist) modes of thinking.

Sorry, I'm kind of rambling here and getting into a far deeper sociopolitical topic... but, seriously, any expansion you can provide to give more insight would be appreciated (at least by me). I live in Crackertown, USA - so I have to actively seek out non-White takes on virtually everything.

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I genuinely would be interested in you expanding more on this and providing greater explanation from a POC standpoint.

Briefly from me:
The porn industry is very... outdated in their approach and presentation of any person who is less than White - or as many would term it "Conventional." In fact, it's the one place that I can think of where people don't ever bother to question or seem disturbed by the total segregation of people based on their physical characteristics. Everything is categorized and fetishized. This bothers me, because I want more than "conventional" all the time in my viewing, but I also don't want to support outdated (and/or racist) modes of thinking.

Sorry, I'm kind of rambling here and getting into a far deeper sociopolitical topic... but, seriously, any expansion you can provide to give more insight would be appreciated (at least by me). I live in Crackertown, USA - so I have to actively seek out non-White takes on virtually everything.

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It's ok..i'd say the primary disconnect is that people are actively seeking outside of their race for romantic and sexual relationships, so porn is ever more reflective of that; the problem is porn in general is still primarily produced and consumed by white men, so the market will always shift to those tastes.
Thus a paradox forms, because I as a black man am fully aware of the underlying prejudices that porn tends to be marketed towards, but I cannot deny the primal visual appeal of seeing women of all races shapes and sizes(as black male/interracial couplings tend to more diverse) see my approximate demographic as the eschelon of male sexual expression.
It's a similar dilemma I've faced time and time again having a white SO...I'll be in a restaurant amongst primarily caucasians, and in SE Mich there are still some passively prejudiced places. And I'll order, or go to the buffet, and face a mild existential dilemma because I happen to want Grape Pop or fried chicken that day..do i play into the stereotype my surroundings expect, or do i simply enjoy?
I enjoy because i dont buy into the portrayals nor am i playing to an audience...I like chicken and i like sex.
So i watch it, and enjoy but also compartmentalize it from any reality. It's ok to enjoy without making it weird, misogynistic, or racist.

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It's ok..i'd say the primary disconnect is that people are actively seeking outside of their race for romantic and sexual relationships, so porn is ever more reflective of that; the problem is porn in general is still primarily produced and consumed by white men, so the market will always shift to those tastes.
Thus a paradox forms, because I as a black man am fully aware of the underlying prejudices that porn tends to be marketed towards, but I cannot deny the primal visual appeal of seeing women of all races shapes and sizes(as black male/interracial couplings tend to more diverse) see my approximate demographic as the eschelon of male sexual expression.
It's a similar dilemma I've faced time and time again having a white SO...I'll be in a restaurant amongst primarily caucasians, and in SE Mich there are still some passively prejudiced places. And I'll order, or go to the buffet, and face a mild existential dilemma because I happen to want Grape Pop or fried chicken that day..do i play into the stereotype my surroundings expect, or do i simply enjoy?
I enjoy because i dont buy into the portrayals nor am i playing to an audience...I like chicken and i like sex.
So i watch it, and enjoy but also compartmentalize it from any reality. It's ok to enjoy without making it weird, misogynistic, or racist.

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Thanks for the edification. Helps me realize how much I take for granted that is a direct reflection of race and other factors -- even my porn.

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Sagittarius84 - Have you ever considered that racism might not enter into every aspect of life? Further, that
interracial preferences might reflect interest in other cultures?

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Man, this is not why I come to this site, but racism - institutionalized if not explicit - does enter every aspect of our lives. American society is really, really racist and that's reflected in all our institutions, including family, sexuality, and interpersonal relationships. And being aware of that fact allows us to more effectively combat it, which is good.

One can choose to ignore racist connotations, i do every day akin to my fried chicken example, that doesn't mean there isnt some benefit in acknowledging their existence. Flavor is great but we as people have the tendency to get so caught up in the flavor of things we neglect to concern ourselves with the ingredients.

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Man, this is not why I come to this site, but racism - institutionalized if not explicit - does enter every aspect of our lives. American society is really, really racist and that's reflected in all our institutions, including family, sexuality, and interpersonal relationships. And being aware of that fact allows us to more effectively combat it, which is good.

100% truth. We cannot separate our primal urges from our cultural influences until we understand our history...and America's history is so tied up with racism it is almost impossible to not find some aspect of it in all categories of life here. People often ask what is "white privilege", and i find hard to give a simple answer, but the ability, or rather the the cognitive dissonance to not see race as a determining factor in different aspects of life is one of the main caveats..
Enjoy the variety of what interracial porn has to offer, but don't fool oneself into thinking there is no intended effect by its packaging, marketing, and categorisation.

One can choose to ignore racist connotations, i do every day akin to my fried chicken example, that doesn't mean there isnt some benefit in acknowledging their existence. Flavor is great but we as people have the tendency to get so caught up in the flavor of things we neglect to concern ourselves with the ingredients.

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Nothing in my post "ignores" anything. I am speaking to motivations. I honestly believe not all Americans make their life decisions based on race. Looking at human qualities truly is empowering in my world people are either Good or Assholes neither is contingent on skin color.

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Nothing in my post "ignores" anything. I am speaking to motivations. I honestly believe not all Americans make their life decisions based on race. Looking at human qualities truly is empowering in my world people are either Good or Assholes neither is contingent on skin color.

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As I alluded to before, you are speaking from a privileged position. I would love to be able to make life decisions with race not being a determining factor at all. The unfortunate truth is if I am NOT cognizant of my race in certain situations, then I stand to lose out in the long run. This runs the gambit of everything from police interaction, to job application, to how I carry myself when I go into a store in an unfamiliar neighborhood. Sex is absolutely no different, being able to recognize racial connotations means the difference of you having a genuine relationship with somebody from a different racial or cultural background, or fulfilling somebody's fetishized desires.
I suspect one would need to be of a demographic that is highly fetishized to really understand the full ramifications of race and how they apply to sexual relationships.