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I'm sure this wont be the case but I don't think anyone could fail to be impressed by this. It seems 360 all this time hasn't really been pushed that hard, but now in the same sort of way that we saw PS2 harnessed that much more as time went on, devs are really working the hardware now. Halo4 looks to continue this

I guess it was always a case of not needing to push to such extraordinary levels and I suppose that's why certain PS3 exclusive games have displayed just that extra level of visual wow- because the devs had an especially good reason to push PS3's massive superiority here. I'm not so sure these days regarding that. Personally though Gears of War2 more than anything still impresses me and that's less about the tech and more the fantastic look of structures and general atmosphere- the Hive itself is absolutely stunning

Posted by GriftGFXAll trailers are advertisements. I'm pretty sure this is 30fps. That, along with the $50 (or was it $60?) season pass, will have me skipping this.

Haha! $60 season pass?? Where did you get that? They've all been $30 so far and I'm sure this one will be no different. I don't like it either but it's no reason to pass on a game. You simply have to judge the base content to see if it warrants a purchase. It's just another way for these greedy publishers to sell dlc to you. You bought Battlefield right? Did you buy the VIP pass or whatever they called it for that game? How was that any different?

It is 30fps. They said they had to do 30 in order to get things like night racing in. We'll have to wait for xbox 720 before we get a Forza at 60fps with night and weather effects.

Posted by ASURAshadowHaha! $60 season pass?? Where did you get that? They've all been $30 so far and I'm sure this one will be no different. I don't like it either but it's no reason to pass on a game. You simply have to judge the base content to see if it warrants a purchase. It's just another way for these greedy publishers to sell dlc to you. You bought Battlefield right? Did you buy the VIP pass or whatever they called it for that game? How was that any different?

It is 30fps. They said they had to do 30 in order to get things like night racing in. We'll have to wait for xbox 720 before we get a Forza at 60fps with night and weather effects.

It's $50. I got that.. from everywhere. When you announce that much content before the game is even out, you're pretty much admitting that you're releasing a $110 game. No thank you. I won't support it right down to the initial purchase.

Well, that and 30fps. I don't expect every console game to run at 60fps, but I sure do expect my racing games to.

Posted by FordGTGuyAnyone who skips a game because of 30fps and a unneeded season pass wasn't planning on getting it anyway.

Season pass is $50 but this is because it pays for a expansion planned to come out in December and on top of that it also comes with 6 car packs.

That's still pretty absurd. It's taking a lot on faith.

And I would absolutely buy it if it were 60fps. The season pass thing is just the icing on the cake. But it's not like it was ever going to be a high priority, so you're not completely wrong. There are too many other racing games out there that meet those qualifications for me to bother with one that does not.

Posted by GriftGFXIt's $50. I got that.. from everywhere. When you announce that much content before the game is even out, you're pretty much admitting that you're releasing a $110 game. No thank you. I won't support it right down to the initial purchase.

Well, that and 30fps. I don't expect every console game to run at 60fps, but I sure do expect my racing games to.

60fps is ideal, but isnt Forza the only serious console racer or sim cade's this gen that is locked at 60fps? I honestly cant think of any others?

Posted by GriftGFXThat's still pretty absurd. It's taking a lot on faith.

And I would absolutely buy it if it were 60fps. The season pass thing is just the icing on the cake. But it's not like it was ever going to be a high priority, so you're not completely wrong. There are too many other racing games out there that meet those qualifications for me to bother with one that does not.

C'mon now that is complete crap you know perfectly well 30fps for a game like this is acceptable and it's a rock-stable 30fps I've yet to hear any complaints about it from people who've been able to play it.

We are not talking about a track racer this is a open world game with Forza 4 graphics and physics running and a dynamic day/night cycle running on the Xbox 360.

Please educate me as NFS: Most Wanted is 30fps and F1 2012 is 30fps which are both the major other racing games for now.

Posted by Adropacrich2Did anyone here truly think this would be 60fp running with this amount of detail? surely not. It would be nice to have everything at 60 but lets be real considering this is 360

Even next gen devs will choose 30 over 60 if it's in the name of more detail and the idea that next gen will bring mostly only 60fps is a perhaps optimistic I think

Well then you're comparing PC to console which is just pointless with the right machine you could run it at 120 fps or with a worse 30fps. You can't expect the Xbox 360 to keep up with the performance standards that can be set on modern gaming computers.

No, but there are 60fps racing games on consoles. It's not like it's an unheard of thing. I'm just saying: I don't like the fact that this is 30fps. What else is or isn't 30fps isn't going to change that.

I would be into this, being unique and being an exclusive.. but I'm not into the framerate.

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