cj, you are the one who officially decides "what is a noir" around here. I didn't create the index. Indeed, there ain't nuthin noir about High Sierra. Just like there ain't nuthin noir about Ace in the Hole. I don't care how many Books or Lists say they are noirs.

There are three types of people in the world, my friend: those who can add, and those who can't.

cj, you are the one who officially decides "what is a noir" around here. I didn't create the index. Indeed, there ain't nuthin noir about High Sierra. Just like there ain't nuthin noir about Ace in the Hole. I don't care how many Books or Lists say they are noirs.

But you don't know nutin about new-are from all your dislikes of great Noir Films

"When you feel that rope tighten on your neck you can feel the devil bite your ass"!

Out of the Past it may be less dark than those, but it is better than all (seven!) of the movies I have seen on that list (Red Light, The Set Up, Detour, 99 River Street, Where the Sidewalk Ends, Kiss Me Deadly, Double Indemnity). And if you consider Ace in the Hole a noir, then my 2 favorite noirs (of the very limited number I have seen) are Ace in the Hole and Out of the Past.

Again, I don't care for dark just for the sake of dark

p.s. why is Act of Violence not on that list? Not dark enough for you? And what about I Married A Communist aka The Woman on Pier 13?

« : February 27, 2012, 02:00:23 AM drinkanddestroy »

There are three types of people in the world, my friend: those who can add, and those who can't.

Out of the Past it may be less dark than those, but it is better than all (seven!) of the movies I have seen on that list (Red Light, The Set Up, Detour, 99 River Street, Where the Sidewalk Ends, Kiss Me Deadly, Double Indemnity). And if you consider Ace in the Hole a noir, then my 2 favorite noirs (of the very limited number I have seen) are Ace in the Hole and Out of the Past.

Again, I don't care for dark just for the sake of dark

p.s. why is Act of Violence not on that list? Not dark enough for you? And what about I Married A Communist aka The Woman on Pier 13?

That is the whole point Noir translates Dark, and for me my emphasis is on the Stlyistics and Cinematography for what I'm calling a True Noir Genre, not which ones I think are good or bad, or which films top most conventional Film Noir lists, Ace in The Hole, and Out of the Past are good films but along with Act Of Violence are not quite as DARK as the list. Now I've only seen The Woman On Pier 13 once and I remember the end being pretty dark but I didn't watch it with the list in mind so I'm adding those that I see that fit when I see them to My Hard Core List.

Its like making a list of Westerns, I'm looking at what makes the film a Western first not whether the Western is good or bad.

The other list in the Index is derived from the American Encyclopedia Of Film Noir for starters and adding others as they crop up.

« : February 27, 2012, 04:21:41 AM cigar joe »

"When you feel that rope tighten on your neck you can feel the devil bite your ass"!

RE: my point i my first post that IMO Bogie was better in his non-gangster roles than in his early roles as a gangster.

From the Bogie movies I've seen:

He was a very good gangster in those supporting performances ending in High Sierra,() his last non-leading role) including, from what I have seen:The Petrified Forest, Dead End, The Roaring Twenties, High Sierra, Bullets or Ballots.But IMO his all-time great performances were in his non-gangster roles, including, from what I have seen: The Maltese Falcon, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Casablanca, The Big Sleep, Key Largo, In a Lonely Place, The African Queen.

« : January 21, 2013, 03:54:49 PM drinkanddestroy »

There are three types of people in the world, my friend: those who can add, and those who can't.

Wait a minute I can't believe you don't think High Sierra didn't have kind of a stupid ending? That criminal conveniently basically trees himself for the law dogs ending is always the weak point in that one

watch Dead Reckoning and Dark Passage and maybe The Desperate Hours, three Film Noir and get back to us

« : April 11, 2012, 02:47:02 AM cigar joe »

"When you feel that rope tighten on your neck you can feel the devil bite your ass"!