New Flagging Function

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I would like to tell you about our new flagging function here on NT. It should make reporting a violation easier. If you see an article or comment that you think is a CoC violation, you just click on the icon and the full comment and link will be sent to all the mods. Please keep a couple of things in mind when reporting:

CoC violations are attacks on members and other violations spelled out in the CoC and NOT comments that you don't like. Reporting comments that are not violations, will result in ignoring future violations

Comments that skirt the CoC are still violations and should be reported. These are comments that indirectly insult a member, or are meant to taunt a member.

Curse words are NOT violations by themselves, but long strings of foul language will be treated as a CoC violation as per #5 of the CoC.

You can't report a comment just because you don't like a member . There MUST be a CoC violation to report. Reporting comments that are not violations, will result in ignoring future violations.

Remember, reporting comments that are done in good faith, will always get a response by the mods, even if no action is taken. If action is taken, the comment will be stored as a violation will be recorded.

I would like our members to please take note that now that it is easier to report CoC violations, to please take care of the comments that you make.

The aim of this is to increase the quality of your experience here at NT. Let's work towards that goal.

Comments that skirt the CoC are still violations and should be reported. These are comments that indirectly insult a member, or are meant to taunt a member.

".....indirectly insult a member, ...... are meant to taunt a member....."

Those are fairly vague factors to evaluate. I mean, throwing a barb at a member can or cannot be an implied insult. And to "taunt" a member means what, trying to get them to quit NewsTalkers or trying to coax them into responding in a discussion.

The flags are cute and all, but I would rather have a notification method that alerts everybody when we get a new member.

So, if we post something in anger and after getting a cooler head remove within the time window something offensive and replace it with something more kosher, it will be as if the cooler head never prevailed? What's the point of having time to modify a post then?

You can't report a comment just because you don't like a member . There MUST be a CoC violation to report. Reporting comments that are not violations, will result in ignoring future violations.

This one is interesting Mac. The penalty for making false violation reports is to have your reports ignored. Strange, I thought that behavior was classified as harassment or stalking which should get you banned.

That's basically what I meant Mac, although I think it's already there in the Terms of Service under "stalking" or "harassing behavior". Violating that can get a member bounced immediately, even without a warning first.

This one is interesting Mac. The penalty for making false violation reports is to have your reports ignored. Strange, I thought that behavior was classified as harassment or stalking which should get you banned.

Hi TTGA,

Interpretation by members of a violation may be different from how the mods interpret it. But if we see large batches of violations, it will be construed as spamming the system, and suspension can be the end result.

That being said, a report that doesn't result with a violation doesn't mean that a member was wrong to report and we don't want people not to report for fear of "getting in trouble". All we are asking for is not spamming the system.

OK, I have amended the way we will handle people who abuse the flagging system, since I don't want people to be afraid to flag or be too punitive.

If you abuse the system, the privilege will be taken away from you for a period of one month at which point it will be restored. If it is abused again by the same person. they will lose it for two months and so on.

Just not a strong enough deterrent for those that continually break the CoC. Make the first three a week then progress from there. and it should be within a months time. either from date of first offense, or month by month Jan, Feb, etc.

There will always be those that push it to the limit. and play the gambit on it. every part of society has their 10%ers.

Got absolutely nothing from this discussion. Just some snide, tricky, bullshit designed innuendos to try the patience of Perry and Dowser who, if nothing else, have the best interests of NT at heart and are doing a very good job. Knock off the snide, infantile, bullshit remarks. No code violation intended, but I could name a couple of capitalized letters if anyone is confused who I mean.

As should of been done in the first place this article should of been mandatory for all members to read and state they understand.

I agree. IMO, all members should be automatically become a member of the NewsTalkers Community Group, and all meta articles should be posted in that group, with a group memo sent to all members about the article.

That way our more casual members, that may have missed the article in the main forum, will be made aware of it's existence.

It's not my group. It is a group I started because I thought we needed a NewsTalkers Community Group. The group is administered by Larry Hampton and me. As far as I'm concerned I will resign as an administrator if it's a problem to the group.

Right now I make sure all meta articles are posted in the group and send a group mail to everyone notifying them of the article. I also intend make sure all new members, that I am told about, have a note posted in the group about them joining and send a group mail out with a notice of a new member.

The NT community group is a good thing to belong to, for the reason's that Jerry said, but it is not mandatory to belong... but they may miss out on important info if they are not a member. It is up to the individual.

I agree completely. Not because it's Jerry's group or because Perrie recommends it, but rather because it does give one good information, so it doesn't matter who started t. It has no bias one way or another. Not in any manner

It's your group. you started it and you are the admin of it. I may be crazy but I am not that crazy to join your group.

I never said you were "that crazy" I just said you are crazy. It was something you made a big fuss over, and now, finally you are admitting you're crazy.

I see the group page shows only I am the admin, but that's wrong. The group is co-administrated by Larry Hampton and me. Anyway, what's the difference who are the Group administrators? The purpose of the group is to help all site members be made aware of site changes and other activities.

You don't want to join? Don't join.

If you want I will ask Perrie to become the group admin, but it seems to me she has enough to do around here. Or, if you want, we can make you the admin and we'll see how effective you can be at making the group more helpful and effective.

Not admitting shit, just letting every one know that I ain't biting the bait that you throw. When you call people names you become intollerable to even consider discussing anything with. And I have made many enemies here, But hey all I got to satisfy is ME.

"Right now I make sure all meta articles are posted in the group and send a group mail to everyone notifying them of the article."

You presume that all members have adjusted their settings to receive such email notices - my experience is that many do not. I regularly look at page under the Home (Front) page that shows groups with current postings, the most current goes to the top. I have rarely seen the Community Group on that page.

You presume that all members have adjusted their settings to receive such email notices - my experience is that many do not.

Wrong. I have not presumed all members have set there emails to receive those notices. However, I do presume those members that are really interested in NT functions, notices and activities, do have there email settings open.

In the new effort to make our groups more active, I plan to spend more time to make the NT Community Group more operative and effective. One of the items in that effort is to convince members to open their email settings and remain aware of NT notices and changes.

I regularly look at page under the Home (Front) page that shows groups with current postings, the most current goes to the top. I have rarely seen the Community Group on that page.

I understand. In the first place Perrie is reluctant to post meta articles, so there haven't been that many notices of NT changes. We, to date, do not get any notice from admin that there is a new meta issue, so if we don't catch it on the main forum it will be missed. We will be working on that problem.

Yes we know who "they" are. To inform you there are more than one troll here but that is also up to each individual to make up their own mines who the trolls are. So with the flag system those trolls can be put in check.

I would like to explain something that might be confusing some members.

When the mods receive a report, we check it out. But sometimes, the comment might be considered "offensive" in some way or another to that individual reporting, if it doesn't meet the standards of a CoC violation, we will NOT take action on it. That doesn't mean you did anything wrong, but rather that it doesn't meet the standards of a violation. No harm, no foul.

I knew this was only two days old as that is how long I've been receiving notifications for it, about 5-10 per hour. The sheer volume suggests that nobody really knows how to properly use the new system yet. That is confirmed by the volume of comments being flagged that are not even close to being violations.

Unfortunately, this function is NOT a disagreement button. You all can accomplish disagreement via discourse easily enough. No need to push that button every time you dont like something you read.

(chuckle) It's sincere (honestly), but it's also from being a hotel manager and hotel teacher. I used to teach it in my classes. Every woman, no matter her age (or especially if she was not young), was to be referred to as a "Young lady" or if she was alone "Miss". "This young lady needs a room with a nice view." "Can I help you Miss?" It makes them smile and feel more welcome and I took things like those feelings very, very seriously at my hotels. I traveled a lot in my job, so when I managed hotels it was always important to me that the guests felt relaxed and at home.