OMG Nate, don't play into that crap. It's below you. Preserve Western Culture means just that. Don't allow ourselves to become Londonstan or open border rape-world Germany. Our Nation includes all races. We believe in freedom of speech. We believe in women being equal. We believe in humor nothing is sacred. In music nothing is sacred. Unlike most of the libs that post here--I live in Philly, not lily white Vermont. My family has taken in more minority foster kids than any minority family I know. Blacks are part of our Western culture. That's as silly as making "birther" questions racist --when McCain and Cruz's citizen ship was questioned as well.

I would like to remain a country that doesn't jail people for making a movie mocking Muhammad or writing a song called Fuck the police or wearing a bikini in mixed company. I don;t want gays set ablaze and thrown from rooftops or to be told I can't drive a car because I have a uterus. Western values all.

There is a basic set of old values that we seem to be losing, such as: Freedom of speech, self-reliance, a strong work ethic, the rule of law, and the belief that we can make things better for our children and grandchildren through hard work, and saving. Much of those old beliefs and values have been damaged or destroyed by the detour to the left that our country has made, and by the government wanting to do everything now, and pay for it later. I don't know how much Trump can do to turn things around, probably not much, but he is the only hope we have.

King of Birthers, father of all things dopey, the guy who, along with Sheriff Joey, stirred up racists from coast to coast about a Kenyan in our White House, the man who claimed to be in possession of very damning evidence, that once released, would, well, would do something damn it, just coming right out there, just saying on my TeeVee, that he was a white dope and the Kenyan, the Kenyan in our White House, is really an American after all.

Was the best part the lies the great white dope told about his opponent starting his birtherism, or that he admitted to suckering you Pepeists for years into believing what he was saying?

Ya know, your great white dope is still out there, saying things, things that are demonstrably proven to be lies.

But like Pepe frogs in a pot of water, you don't really get that the water is slowly coming to a boil. You tell yourself you kinda like the bubbles, and surrounded by other Pepeistas, things are lookin' p u r t y good for you right now.

Poor Pepeistas, you never saw it coming.

Do you believe the great white dope or do you believe what you know to be true, that thairs a Kennion in teh danged White House who's a black mooslim kennyan commie mooslem Amerka hating radical islama brotherhood white hating mooslem who hates Amrica and made the economy pretty good anyways!

Just thought I'd share with you what some of your brothers in arms were up to recently because the right wing extremist fringe white fringe deplorable sites you read will probably miss this one with their nimble navigation filters and all.

*** American University investigating after black student says banana was thrown at her

A black female student at American University reported that a banana was thrown at her through her dorm room door earlier this month, and the school is investigating two white male freshmen in connection with the incident.

Another black student on the same floor of the dorm found a rotten banana outside her door the same night; she also found an obscene drawing on the whiteboard attached to her door.

“This kind of thing has been happening at AU for years. Last year, people wrote the n-word on black students’ doors and put up Trump stickers on the doors of Hispanic students. This is not just a one-time thing.”***

***He campaigns on an “America First” theme — yet about the only American-made thing I could find in my hotel room was the small package of milk-chocolate Trump gold bullion ($25).

...In my room, I found a Trump logo bathmat and towels from India, bone china from Japan, Italian cutlery and tiles, two telephones from Malaysia, a Swiss refrigerator, German coffee cups, Trump soaps and lotions from Canada and, from China, all four lamps, the coffee machine, the bathroom scale, the valet stand and the shower cap. The hotel’s managing director is from France. Most hotel workers I met during my stay had Caribbean or African accents.

While Trump will be politically incorrect to achieve his political goals, I don't think the candidate that has promised to loosen libel laws so he can more easily sue people who neg him a champion of freedom of speech.

I do understand where you are coming from. The chronically sensitive do not contribute to the dialogue necessary to talk about issues in a republic. However I do not think that the demagoguery of Trump is constructive, informative or adds to the conversation to . In fact he sounds like more like my deceased alcoholic uncle than anyone I've ever heard on T.V. before.

Great news coming out of your great white dope's mouth on Wednesday, am I right or am I right?

The great white dope is still, deep down in his soulless hole, a birther, just like you!

The reason he just said our Kenyon Mooslin commie socialist not American President is American was just so people would stop talking about how he believes our President is a Kenyon Mooslin commie socialist not American.

Good morning Pepeistas, wanna read what your comrades have been saying?

“Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to President Trump. It’s everyone who’s ever doubted Donald, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe.”

"I don't think there was any racism until Obama got elected,"

And your great white dope is gleefully endorsing a proven failure and a racist tactic ruled unconstitutional to boot.

“One of the things I’d do is I would do stop-and-frisk. I think you have to. We did it in New York, it worked incredibly well and you have to be proactive.”

Can't help but mentioning the last head of all gops correctly identified your great white dope's schtick thusly, and in French, apparently:

"nothing more than bullshit racism — excuse my French."

***Oh, come and go with me down in old town tonight It's hot times in old town tonight Yes, come and go with me down in old town tonight Hot time in old town tonight***

Here's your not to be believed in 1,000,000,000,000 years time 10, great white dope just being the great white dope we've all come to laugh at talking about his new trumpette and your long lost fav, Rafael "Ted" Cruz and his "endorsement".

July 22, 2016

"If he gives it, I will not accept it...He’ll come and endorse in the next little while because he has no choice,...I don’t want his endorsement. Ted, stay home, relax, enjoy yourself."

September 23, 2016

"I am greatly honored by the endorsement of Senator Cruz. We have fought the battle and he was a tough and brilliant opponent,"

Just in case you've been in a Fox induced, actual news, blackout, here's what America's newest great white dope head has said about your great white dope, before he got into bed with him.

1) The great white dope is a "sniveling coward". -- Can't argue with that.

2) The great white dope is a "pathological liar". -- What with the interwebs and all, that is not easily refudiated.

3) The great white dope is "utterly amoral". -- Irrefutable.

4) The great white dope is a "serial philanderer". Well, he has said for a guy from Queens, he couldn't believe the ass he was getting. But just because he cheated on his first wife, oh and his second wife, and got himself some kind of third wife, doesn't mean he's serial, does it?

Does it?

And what about the newest Russian connection revelations?

Oh Pepeistas, what lies will you tell years from now when you're asked if you voted for the great white dope?

“Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to president Trump, it’s everyone who’s ever doubted Donald, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe.”

Your great white dope was certainly a steaming pile of doody last night, wasn't he?

But ya know, it really wasn't his fault that he interrupted his opponent constantly will childish taunts, that he couldn't remember what he's said in the past, that his constant sniffling made people wonder if he was on something, that his racist landlord acts were brought up, that he failed miserably every time he tried to form a coherent rebuttal, or that most of his facts exist only in his own feeble ill-tempered stamina lacking mind.

Nope, it was not his fault at all.

He was deliberately given a bad mic.

That's all it was.A bad mic.

Ya know, a liberal mic. A bad liberal mic that twisted his words to make him look like the steaming pile of doody which, as we all know, is the great white dope finest asset.

A steaming pile of doody has jihaded the Asshat driving your gop clown car into the ditch.

***TRUMP said a 1970s racial discrimination case against his real estate business was settled "with no admission of guilt" and that the case was "brought against many real estate developers."

THE FACTS: The first claim is technically correct; the second is false.

Trump and his father fiercely fought a 1973 discrimination lawsuit brought by the Justice Department for their alleged refusal to rent apartments in predominantly white buildings to black tenants. Testimony showed that the applications filed by black apartment seekers were marked with a "C'' for "colored." A settlement that ended the lawsuit did not require the Trumps to acknowledge that discrimination had occurred. The government's description of the settlement said Trump and his father had "failed and neglected" to comply with the Fair Housing Act.

Trump was wrong to say the suit was brought against many real estate developers - it was specific to buildings rented by his father and him.

Yawn.Zelda, I believe you have a medical background.Do you think Reliably Blathers Bilge uses a variety of substances?My ignorance of drugs is nearly complete. He seems to me to display chemically altered thought (or what he tries to pass off as) processes.What do you think?

Only Trump supporters would listen to their candidate brag about not paying taxes and still agree to vote for him. -And *stamina* is something the obvious coke addict DT does not have, he was sweating and exhausted and guzzling water all night. Hillary was radiant and could actually answer a question. Poor Lester, how did he keep a straight face when dumbo said he did a good job being a racist by making our first black president produce a birth certificate. You can't make this stuff up.Nixon was a crook but he wasn't a life long con man. The poor architect in the audience didn't lose everything but the Edward Friel Cabinet Company that was founded in 1940 had to fold because of the con man. Thanks TRUMP! YOU ARE A JOB DESTROYER.

Yes, Crabs, go back and look at the debate. Trump looked like a SNIFF dehydrated sweet potato (even after all that H20) and Hillary's skin was glowing. Trump was clearly exhausted after only about 20 minutes into the debate. Maybe he needs to release a real medical report and not a fake one on the Dr. Oz show. A fake university and now a fake physical. -And how can anyone support someone that has trashed women and their looks for decades? Does Trump own a mirror?? because he is sadly mistaken if he thinks that he looks so great that he can talk about what anyone looks like. His hair!!! His orange skin, he might have something wrong with his liver.

Someone with DTs wealth would not be eating KFC and McDonald's -- why doesn't he have a private chef cooking for him? Can he not afford it? He looks SO unhealthy and so does his wife. They all need to see a nutritionist.

McCain and Cruz's citizenship was questioned for about 5 minutes. Not years. Obama's birth has been questioned and talked about for YEARS. I'm also wondering if Trump has any clue that he is on twitter or being taped..? He has said numerous times that global warming is a hoax invented by the Chinese and once again he LIED and denied it last night.

Say, didja read all about the white great white dope head who hates America, her values, and rules of laws (Our Constitution) so much that he will make Civil War if free Americans freely choose a President who is not the great white dope?

Oh yeah, he's ready to overthrow America if America doesn't do what he wants America to do! That is yuge!

Maybe he's a secret Moolsim!

After he does an overthrowing of America's Constitution with Civil War, he promises he "will uphold the Constitution and rebuild our loss".

Isn't that nice of him! Bless his heart.

Well anyhoo, he sure do have a nice pitchur a some old white guy named Robbie Lee hang above his English sofa.

I think hims a New England fan also to.

***“Your patriots are going to overthrow the government.”***

This America overthrowing thug's name is Jimmy Arno.If you can do nimble navigation, check him out!

***Since The Arizona Republic began publication in 1890, we have never endorsed a Democrat over a Republican for president. Never. This reflects a deep philosophical appreciation for conservative ideals and Republican principles.

This year is different.

The 2016 Republican candidate is not conservative and he is not qualified.

That’s why, for the first time in our history, The Arizona Republic will support a Democrat for president.***

The purpose of academic debate is to discover the truth. The purpose of political debate is to convince the electorate to support a candidate. Both use many of the same techniques, but the latter involves appeal to the emotions, which appeal may or may not be based upon truth, which explains why the Cackler is so good at it.It appears that Enemous and Reliably Blathers Bilge have been only recently been briefed and set loose to bleat. I cannot believe either one ever actually convinces anybody. Unless, of course, their whole purpose is just to enthuse their fellow idiots.

Trump averages a lie every 3 minutes and doesn't realize he has been recorded for years. For instance, he can say climate change is a hoax and then deny it and you will believe him. He has 5 children from 3 different women (family values) and talks about women like they are trash. He's a horrible businessman that has declared bankruptcy multiple times to survive, you Crabby, think that's great. He has destroyed small business owners and their families by refusing to pay them --and you think that's just fine. Hillary has spent her life fighting for women and children, not abusing them -- or worse, like DT. Trump created a FAKE UNIVERSITY that robbed Americans even VETERANS, refuses to pay his contractors, raped a 13 yr. old, spoke about his own daughter in a vulgar way, brags about his 3500 lawsuits, is proud of not paying taxes, has had multiple affairs, 5 children from 3 different marriages, cashed in on 9/11 money even though (ON TAPE) he said his buildings weren't harmed (greedy hog) -- that $$ was meant to go to small business owners, he calls Mexicans rapists, guilty of getting hundreds of millions in tax breaks from NYC for his crappy buildings..ok the list is endless-- you get the point- OBAMA OR HILLARY OR ANY DEMOCRAT could never get away with this and we would never run a candidate with such a horrible resume and limited vocab.Bush now seems like a genius in comparison. They also couldn't get away with being BFFs with Putin. How is someone with this background going to "make America great again"??-- he's too late, OBAMA has already accomplished this!

Apparently, Crabby, you didn't bother to read about the women listed^^^ If this is even true: Is a woman that willingly has an 18 yr. affair with a man called a victim? If a woman is raped do they then continue to follow and support their rapist--and recant their story?

Enemous, I googled the address you gave. Blackinamerica.com was the first result. The first paragraph of Blackinamerica.com reads “A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was dismissed in California in May 2016 and refiled in New York in June 2016.”The third paragraph of http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.htm reads “In covering a story, a media outlet is not finding guilt. It is simply reporting the news that a lawsuit has been filed against Mr. Trump, and ideally putting the complaint in context. Unproven allegations are just that - unproven, and should be identified that way.”I didn’t bother to read any further. I’ll probably never bother reading any of your “sources” again. Somebody needs to tell nurse Ratched to check your hose.

Ok Crabby, then you can dismiss all the allegations against Clinton as well. I won't bother to send you the links to all the women Trump has harassed or had affairs with over the years...but a 13 yr. old? Something Trump hasn't done is paid his taxes, he is a huge drain on the middle class and is basically a criminal. Hillary Clinton doesn't rob her own foundation, she doesn't rob Americans with a fake university and she doesn't cozy up to Putin. Since Trump has such high standards when it comes to looks can Melania please share the mirror with him--and the botox? He could also use a chin tuck and less of the orange powder and spray tan.

Your great white dope did a little Cuba thing, against our laws.Your great white dope denies doing the Cuba thing he did against our laws.Your great white dope just got exposed as a liar, again, as the actual expense report for his little Cuba thing, with the great white dope's name on it, has been produced. Kinda like a birther certificate.

Even Though There’s Proof, Trump Denies His Illegal Business Ties With Cuba

Wow, I didn't think it was possible for Trump to be a bigger creep and crook than I thought ^^^^ Still, republicans have to pretend that he's great because they don't care about Trump destroying America, they only care about "winning"...#wayworsethanbush

It's pretty pathetic and sad that the lower & middle classes are duped into thinking that Trump --who has robbed Americans for decades in various scams -- is going to be there for them. The media made the last election look very close as well though, they have to do this to make money. This isn't a close race.

I'm guessing that Enemous and Reliably Blathers Bilge have been told to flood whatever sites they visit with enough drivel to drown out the opposition, since Ms. Hamilton's camp cannot show any positive results from either her's or Jug Ear's times in office. They have no choice but to somehow distract from their miserable record and/or silence the opposition.I think the strategy will backfire because buffoons like Reliably Blathers Bilge and Enemous are not effective, and because the latter day Communists have lost their credibility with a significant part (very possibly the majority) of the electorate.

Can Kellyanne please take Trump's phone away ? Especially between the hours of 3AM-5:30AM...Hillary's right: Trump is unhinged, once again. What will Trump do if he has to meet a world leader or present someone with a medal and they are overweight? Will the dehydrated sweet potato refuse??

Haha, you're right: Trump is truly the gift that keeps on giving. To think that Democrats kicked Howard Dean out of the running years ago simply because he raised his voice. Republicans sure are good at turning a blind eye to an insane racist lunatic.

I'm sure all of you have read your gop platform pamphlet, right, and I'm sure you stand behind it 120%, right?

Even this bit:

Pornography, with its harmful effects, especially on children, has become a public health crisis that is destroying the lives of millions. We encourage states to continue to fight this public menace and pledge our commitment to children’s safety and well-being.

I gotta write a letter to Al Gore for inventing such a great interweb.

Hey Pepeistas, looks like your great white dope was personally negotiating to get one of his wives naked in a flesh mag, nakid.

Impossible you say! Our great white dope is the paragon of modern con ideology, why do you think we picked the great white dope over the other 16 dopes, you say!

And then there's this from 1990:

Notably, she did resist Trump`s insistence that she accept Playboy magazine's million-dollar centerfold offer. "Trump himself was on the phone negotiating the fee, "remembers a top Playboy editor. "He wanted her to do the nude layout. She didn't." ("I'm thankful for my body, but I didn`t want to exploit it," Marla offers. "How would I ever be taken seriously?")

How can anyone defend or take a candidate seriously that comes completely undone by a former beauty contestant? Other countries laughed at us over Bush but Trump is beyond comprehension. My daughter is in London and they think we are all insane rednecks, she has to tell them that many Americans are terrified of DT. HRC sure knew which *buttons to press* -- it's so easy, no wonder she was laughing so hard. Also-- at the end of debate DT didn't even know that he was supposed to go out and speak to people in the audience..he stood in a huddle with his stunned looking family--even they couldn't believe how bad he performed.

Still no e-mail, bribes or lies bilge. Nothing to be found in the results of Enemous's hose about foreign policy.Both of the inmates prove the point that the latter day Communist(n/k/a "Progressive")policies have been so ruinous that discussion of Jug Ears'/the Cackler's actual performances has to be deflected at any cost.

I've already posted previously about the 22 million lost Bush emails from a private RNC server..isn't that old news? BTW: is Trump still having his temper tantrum? Is he still complaining about our poor infrastructure while boasting about not paying taxes--and not (SNIFF) getting the connection? I did see over the weekend that he was involved in his own porno tape..ew. -And what a surprise, contestants and producers from The Apprentice are speaking about what a misogynistic creep he was, no surprise there.

Enemous, Trump HAS NOT said he had paid no taxes. Pravda reported that the tax law at the time of Trump's 900 million loss could be carried forward, but had to be used up within 18 years (the limit has since been changed to 20). We are all still waiting to hear about Jug Ears'/the Cackler's actual performances.We are all still waiting for e-mail, lies and bribes bilge. Won't yours and Reliably Blathers Bilge's puppeteers let you discuss those matters?Your comrades look to be very afraid of the Trump movement. Why do you suppose that Wiki Leaks guy has become so fearful? Why do we see so much spittle on the lips of the anti Trump crowd these days?Did you see the latest details of the immunity Ms. Hamilton's underlings got?

Good morning Pepeistas, what manner of vile embarrassments will your great white dope serve up today?

Steel and aluminum from China? CheckOur Veterans are weak? CheckHe is a genius tax dodger? CheckHe gave about 500% over the legal limit to a FL candidate? CheckHe thinks his daughter's tight ass is a nice tight ass? CheckHis "Foundation" wasn't doing it legally? CheckHe was doing against the law bidnes wif Iran? CheckHe was trying to do against the law bidnes wif Cuba? CheckDid sexisms on his beauty girls? CheckShushed off the ugos at his bidneses when inpordent guests were there? CheckClaiming to have won his debate? Check

Still no bribes bilge. Still no e-mail bilge. Still no lies bilge. Given the recent news, I assume that the puppeteers have by now absolutely forbidden ObamaCare bilge.Enemous continues to throw turds in an attempt to distract from the substantive economic and national security issues.

rbb: people that have been brainwashed for decades by right wing hate talk radio, FOX faux and can't think for themselves.

I have no idea what you're talking about Crabby. What emails? All of this has been covered. Nothing you can try to fabricate about HRC or Obama can compare to the Donald and his horrendous record. He is even a piano thief! Is there any type of business out there that Trump hasn't ripped off. People have served life sentences for taking a TV..why isn't Trump behind bars? This creep is what you seriously want to represent the US? We want OBAMACARE! We are far safer than we were under Dick & Bush.

Ano, it's kinda hard to believe that such a large percentage our fellow Americans are so thick headed, obtuse and willfully misinformed about what's become of the once proud gop, which seemed to go off it's rails right after Eisenhower. There is graph somewhere showing it's decline starting with Nixon, running through Raygun, right up the whatever of Palin and now walks and talks through the most unqualified, unfit, disgusting candidate of our lifetime.

The great white dope was prophetic when he uttered: "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters".

If it's true that he is saying what a lot of people are thinking, would it be polite to ask them to leave?

I ask the afflicted I know, what line would he have to cross to lose your vote? Not a one has mustered up a coherent answer, only mutterings of Hillary, Benghazi, Vince Foster, or woman.

If crab's new gop had found anything, anything at all, it would be disqualification time for Sec. Clinton. But they haven't.

And still, there is the possibility the great white dope can win.May a god of your choice have mercy on us all.

Exactly--years of investigations and millions of tax dollars later the Clinton's continue to come up clean.

The GOP has allowed and welcomed the dismantling of their party. They welcomed the tea party and went right along with Trump's birther movement. The racist part of their party was happy to have a candidate that would finally say out loud what they all think: Let's make America White again.

Good question..what exactly would it take for people to not vote for Trump, he's done it all and they haven't flinched. Last night was pretty embarrassing as far as Pence trying to deny Trump's comments regarding Mexicans, women and blacks. Pence laughing and shaking his head because he couldn't deny it all was ridiculous.

Yes, God help us all if this maniac is anywhere near the WH and nuclear weapons.

Yes, let's talk about Bill Clinton Crabby, instead of the great job Tim Kaine did last night. Poor Pence, he sure has a poor memory. Anyway, that was a little too easy for Hillary--the ad is already out. Hillary testified which is more than the Bush-Cheney crime families had to do;they along with Trump, should be behind bars. I cannot imagine how a Democratic presidential candidate could EVER get away with cozying up to Putin and Russia, wow. -and Trumps son is also doing business with Russia.

Why, CRABBY, won't YOU say why you are supporting this very dangerous and unstable man?

Enemous, you shouldn't copy what the puppeteer gives you verbatim. The debate was the night BEFORE last, not last night. I wonder what debate your puppeteer watched ("...great job Tim Kaine did last night.")I doubt anyone would deny that Trump has his warts and blemishes, but comparing him to the Clinton gang is like comparing a sore throat terminal cancer.

Still no bribes or e-mail blather. No lies bilge either. When do you think your puppeteers will tell you what to say about Slick Willie's ObamaCare remarks?

I believe the debate was on Tuesday night, and I posted my comment on Wednesday, Crabby, get with the program.

This is fun! I enjoy watching Trump being taken down 24/7 and more and more footage popping up about him. Including an old one of him and Ms. Universe where homely, disgusting Trump criticizes this glowing, gorgeous woman. What a HOG! This is what you want to represent the U.S.A.?!! Unbelievable. Another interview popped up of Trump interviewing a woman for a possible centerfold for Playboy..this is who you believe should be president? Trump doesn't know the difference between the Constitution and the Bill of Rights..this is who you want, really?

Hillary testified already, again Crabby, get with it.

Trump has far more than "warts and blemishes" -- he is a festering sore, a cancer, waiting to align and make deals with his buddy in Russia...stop pretending that Hillary is worse, no one is buying that crap.

Enemous, like Reliably Blathers Bilge, just will not touch anything substantive. The puppeteers have obviously given strict orders.The big gun responses to bribery and corruption and incompetence and lying and question planting and rehearsed "interviews" and assassinating the character and paying off Slick Willie's victims are that Trump is rich (like the Clintons - who got that way via graft) and once spat on the sidewalk.Pathetic.

Crabs, the big gun gops have spent millions upon millions of our tax dollars, for years, and found nothing.

Why do you want to chat about nothing?

In the meantime, even more gops have rejected your great white dope.Isn't time you do the same?

***BThirty former Republican members of Congress condemn Trump

...Seventy-five diplomats wrote one opposing Trump's candidacy. Eighty-eight signed one supporting him. Fifty-five national security officials signed another in opposition.

On Thursday, another letter, this time from 30 former members of Congress (mostly the House).

...“As Republican members of Congress, we took pride in representing a political party that stood for honest and principled public leadership in which the American people could place their trust,” it read. “Sadly, our party's nominee this year is a man who makes a mockery of the principles and values we have cherished and which we sought to represent in Congress.”

Enemous!! It is absolutely stunning that a Margaret Hamilton puppet would ever point a finger at someone else for lying, stealing, e-mails, deficient character, and, particularly, of all things, sexual assault. All of it is absolutely laughable! Turn the water down.

Bringing up Jug Ears' performance makes you smell even worse.

Reliably Blathers Bilge must not have heard about the Democrat party's left being "a bucket of losers". I thought I'd split a gut when I heard about that.

"Need I repeat...yes, I think so...“The thing is, I'm not voting for Donald Trump to be my pal. I'm voting for him not to be Hillary. I’m going to vote for the imperfect vessel instead of the overflowing chamber pot.”

Above quote is terrifying. That anyone could be that stupid. Imperfect vessel is a little too eloquent for a 70yr. old frat boy that wants more nukes and brags about sexual assault on camera--even frat boys are smarter than that. -Oh, wait, Trump didn't go to college, did he?

“We Were All Naked” When Donald Trump Walked Through Beauty Queen Dressing Room

Trump: “I sort of get away with things like that.”

A former Miss New Hampshire told BuzzFeed News last spring that Donald Trump strolled through the dressing rooms...and stared at the naked contestants.

In May, his campaign issued a blanket denial, calling Bridget Sullivan’s story and those of several other beauty queens “totally false.”

But Sullivan’s story has now received support from an unexpected source: Trump himself....

“I’ll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show and everyone’s getting dressed, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it…. ‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

Mr. Trump's comments released yesterday—though 10 years ago (he was 60)—are not just sophomoric or locker room banter. They are truly the kind of misogynistic trash that reveals a man to be lecherous and worthless—not the guy who gets politely ignored, but the guy who gets a punch in the head from worthy men who hear him talk that way about women.

Crabby-- it doesn't matter what my major was in college or if you graduated high school, the point is if you are running for POTUS you can't be a failure at everything you've ever attempted in life (groping & assaulting women doesn't count--we all know Trump succeeded very well in this) You also need to have some intellectual curiosity, class and a belief that everyone deserves a fair shot (yes, I've just described Obama).

Republicans welcomed the racist and are just now pretending to be surprised by the Billy Bush bus incident, pleeease.

Trump is already saying the election will be stolen. The gigantic cry baby could never lose fair n square.

This is comical...what do you consider goofy? I mean, seriously, if you're willing to support Trump then I would think the sky is the limit on goofiness. If Trump had gone to clown school his supporters would back him on that. But- what is unacceptable on this blog? Art majors? Is that "goofy"? --- what about mainstream medicine? Where they convince you to take a drug that came out yesterday but will likely kill you?..hmm.

Are you still talking about Benghazi? Under Bush there were 13 embassy attacks and 60 deaths..not FOUR, SIXTY. Bush also decided to ignore warnings about 9/11 and then lied to get us into a made-up war. Nothing a Clinton has done or will do could top that evil bunch. Bush then had the audacity to go on his bike rides, with all his limbs--he really has some nerve, now he is resting comfortably on his "ranch" with Laura, who did zero as First Lady of this country.

Trump is going down...he is already saying the election will be stolen, lol.

I watched part of Megan Kelly’s show last night. She interviewed Dr. Ben Carson. I doubt many people would describe Dr. Carson as a raving lunatic. In fact, he is a LIBERAL dream come true. He is a black, articulate, intelligent, highly educated boot strap case.To the horror of the left, he not only is disdainful of political correctness (gasp), he supports Donald Trump (utter horror)!Dr. Carson pointed out that, like it or not, we are at a historic crossroads. We can continue the corrupt, incompetent, probably irreversible and ultimately ruinous current policies or pull back from the precipice and go in a different direction. He asked Megan if she thought it better to punish Trump for having a toilet mouth or go over the cliff.

I think it ironic that a man that has been illegally taking donations to his charity and using it to support political candidates and making legal troubles disappear is deemed the savior from the corrupt current policies. Furthermore what Trump has proposed would be the death of free trade which I would think would horrify most of the people defending Trump. Even putting myself in your shoes, I don't see how Trump meets your agenda. He was pro-choice before he flip-flopped and became a militant pro-lifer. Trump was for the "disastrous" war in Iraq before he was against them. He talked about raising his own taxes before he clarified that he would lower them. Trump has high praise for folks like Putin and Kim Jong-il and brags about sexually assaulting women. I'm really curious about Ala on this one. She has been strangely silent for the last month.

Who are you really voting for, outside of someone that is politically incorrect? Is this an example of sticking with the home team regardless of the consequences? Trump is a natural disaster.

Apparently sexual assault is a qualification for LOM. I think I've come up with another "L" for you -- Lecherous.

Regardless of what you think Hillary might do, you can't argue with Obama's record of 10M additional jobs despite given an economy that was going to hell when he took over in 2008. As an employer, I love Obamacare -- it allows me to offer insurance to my employees with a relative minimum of hassle and a competitive marketplace for insurance. For the most part Clinton is promising more of the same. Despite your hysterics, that hasn't been so bad. I simply don't understand LOM how you can reconcile 16 years of democratic presidents with 16 years of economic conditions that were at worst must improved from the last joker's term, to pretty damn good in the 90s and with a straight face claim that the Dems are ruining the country. I'm really curious. Do share.

I think Ala has been silent because she knows Trump is indefensible at this point. Nate- you were pointing out *FACTS* - and that is something the GOP pays zero attention to. Trump just keeps repeating to his base that HRC should be in jail even though he is the criminal. He is even repeating the lie that the Central Park 5 were guilty - innocent teens at the time - not sexual predators and rapists, like Trump.

Yesterday, another liar, Rudy Giuliani, who walked around Ground Zero with Hillary (yes, it's on tape!) is saying that she wasn't with him after 9/11. Darn that pesky technology that keeps proving what huge liars republicans are!

Crabby: Ben Carson might not be 'raving' since he's barely audible, but he's definitely a lunatic. Carson has quite a bit in common with Trump and Rudy in the lying department-- he said he was held up at a fast food restaurant and he wasn't. He also has a large self portrait of himself (actually several) throughout his tacky house.

As I watched both Michelle and Barack yesterday--Barack in Ohio and Michelle speaking out about the creep -- I realized again how much they will be missed. I also fear for Hillary, if we thought BO was crucified by Republicans just wait til HRC gets back in the WH...omg. The lies will really be flying.

I think decades of allowing Rush and Fox and their creepy, foul rhetoric is what gave birth to Trump. Maybe repubs should rethink this and stop supporting these hate machines.

After telling us some of his sex attack lady victim accusers weren't really up to his high-quality and yugely klassy standard, (which is really not the way to defend yourself against lady sex attack revelations or to woo the lady vote) he doubled down saying his klassy stubby octopuses would never attack that lady in the plane because, well, ya know, she's far too uggo for the great white grope to waste his precious high klass sex attack time on.

“Believe me, she would not be my first choice, that I can tell you, you don’t know. That would not be my first choice.”

ALa, Sorry you have quit posting for a time. The 'useful idiots of the left' certainly shovel and cram a lot of donkey crap into your blog. I quit reading that excrement. So I miss seeing your comments.Hope you return soon.

Things Trump has done for decades, says on tape then later denies on a daily basis = donkey crap. Agreed. Can't wait to see what the gigantic sweet potato predator cry baby comes up with after Hillary wins, Lord help us all.

Crabs, as this ultra gop (Grab Our Pussy) loyalist proves, there's still time to jump out of the gop clown car.

...The other thing he said about Hillary Clinton is when she walked in front of him, he wasn't impressed! That's not impressive. And the Republican men that are defending this are really irritating me...

It always makes sense to me why Crabby supports Trump--they both make fun of the mentally ill. Trump even said a deaf actress was "mentally retarded"... I've been watching old debates with Bush Sr. Jr. and Reagan--they were quite civilized--this was before Rush,Palin, Michelle Bachman, FOX, the tea party and countless others were allowed to come in and derail the GOP. Boy, big mistake letting the loonies take over, speaking of mental illness and lobotomies...

Very frankly, when I came of age, Trump would not have been nominated and certainly would not have won an election because the voters had standards of behavior for politicians.You can thank the Clintons because they broke the trash barrier and made all sorts of horrible behavior acceptable. Look at what gets tolerated now, particularly by Democrats.Neither of the Clintons would been elected to anything higher than the Chicago City Council, and, if they had been, they would have soon been driven from office. They probably would have gone to prison as well.I have said all along that Trump was not my first choice, but he is by far the least of evils in this election.

Crabby--you can keep pretending that the Clintons are horrible but again, facts speak otherwise. If you truly believe that a racist, xenophobic, misogynist should be in the WH, then Trump is your guy. It will be kind of like having the Kardashians in office but scarier, I don't believe they are in bed with the Russians. Melinia will be the only First Lady to have posed nude, the Christian Right has given their approval.

If Bush and Cheney managed to escape prison for made up wars and war crimes then anyone can. We have wasted a ton of tax payers $$$ investigating the wrong party.

Very frankly, when I came of age, Trump would not have been nominated and certainly would not have won an election because the voters had standards of behavior for politicians.

Do you mean like FDR, Jefferson and Kennedy? The only difference between now and then is that the media organizations found reporting on the personal shortcomings of leadership unacceptable. The true crook called Nixon seems to be the one that taught the media to leave no stone unturned.

You can thank the Clintons because they broke the trash barrier and made all sorts of horrible behavior acceptable.

I'd also like to think the Republican leadership for scrutinizing the Clintons so closely. Weaponizing the independent prosecutor was a brilliant political maneuver to energize the base and undermine the opposition leadership. Despite all of the scrutiny, they've not gotten anything to stick on the Clintons.

Didja read where the person who knows your great white grope best, ya know, his 3rd wife, says her husband is such a feeble minded little boy that he was gullible to manly man Billy Bush's egging on which made her husband, the great white grope, admit to great past pussygroping just because he is famous and they let him do it anyway and it's the media's fault.

I listened to Rush yesterday, I tried to call in but I don't think they accept calls from NY. Rush says the election will be stolen because that is what 'democrat' do -- however, the SCOTUS did not hand pick Bush for us, that election was NOT stolen, according to pumpkinhead. Alan Colmes doesn't have someone screening his calls because he isn't afraid to speak to someone with an opposing view. Stephanie Miller is boring and ridiculous but at least liberal radio isn't full of hate and outright lies.

Rush Limbaugh: Benghazi! Emails! Voter fraud! Hillary should be behind bars! -- no wonder every single thread I'm on says exactly that..no proof, they just keep repeating the same BS. We all know what Rush would be saying if the first black president had 5 children from 3 marriages, was beyond sleazy with a fake university and charity and was besties with Putin.

Hey Pepeistas, your great white grope tremendously proclaimed on national TEEVEE last night that he didn't apologize to his third wife about pussy grabbing! That must have come as a big surprise to his third wife because she said the exact opposite.

Your great white grope:

***“I didn’t even apologize to my wife, who’s sitting right here because I didn’t do anything."***

The third wife of your great white grope:

***“Those words, they were offensive to me and they were inappropriate, and he apologized to me. And I expect -- I accept his apology. And we are moving on."***

So, who's the liar, Pepeistas, your great white grope or your great white grope's third wife?

Too bad he said what he said about the other thing, also too, you betcha.

As Trump threatens the bedrock on which our republic derives its strength, I wonder do you those that are planning on voting for him at all concerned with what a loose cannon you've unleashed on the democratic process?

I'm referring to Trump's threats to not accept the results of the election. The peaceful transfer of power and integrity of the elections is the bedrock of any functional democracy. Of course this comes after the accusations that the election is rigged and the Trumpian supposition that the only way he'd lose the election is due to fraud despite consistent polling that indicate that Trump is down 7 points and even conservative models giving him only a 15% chance of winning the election. Frankly it looks to me that the only way Trump can win this election is via fraud.

When Trump continues to say that HRC has been in politics for 30 yrs. and didn't do anything, I wish she could reply that even when republicans had control for years they did zero to try and overturn Roe V. Wade. It's the only shtick they have to run on. We're seriously supposed to believe that DT--a major Playboy-- cares about this. Trump has paid for plenty of abortions, he even alluded to it in an interview.

Hey Pepeistas, you pretend to like this guy named Donald Trump, right?Some of you say you trust him, some you even pretend that he's all in on kicking them out, right?

W e l l, this just might be of some interest to you.Apparently, your great white grope likes to play the field with core values. But you knew that when you fell in love with him, didn't you?

Here's your great white grope just a few short years ago

***“Because I also understand how, as an example, you have people in this country for 20 years, they've done a great job, they've done wonderfully, they've gone to school, they've gotten good marks, they're productive — now we're supposed to send them out of the country, I don't believe in that, Michelle, and you understand that,” he told the host. “I don't believe in a lot things that are being said."***

Why yes, yes there is audio of your great white dope saying what he now says he doesn't say.

Ahh, ^^^interesting...like you (&DT) said, he could murder someone on 5th Ave. and his followers wouldn't care. Trump is a cult leader so no amount of facts or groping will deter them. The good news is he is losing, bigly, lol.

Ya got your Rafael Cruz types who openly display their hatred of our Constitution by petulantly jump up and down and refuse to follow it's clear intent.

Ya got your nutter extremist domestic terrorist types, like pathetic Joe Walsh, who says he'll grab his muzzle loader and run around screaming at the sky if Americans don't vote the way he wants them to.

Ya got your creepy eyed Chaffets from Utah who has said of his great white grope: “I can no longer in good conscience endorse this person for President.

He's decried his great white grope's grope assult recounting as: “... some of the most abhorrent and offensive comments that you can possibly imagine”, and yet the lilly livered spineless Utahian gop wants his great white grope to be our President. "...but I am voting for him", he twittered.

After decades of failure, The Utahian has also promise even more tax dollar wasting "investigations" if Americans chose a President who isn't the sex assaulting p---y grabber.

Hey, ya know how real Americans think you're all a bunch of ahole dipsheet losers who have no ideas worth discussing and how much you hate and disrespect anyone who is not a whitie like you? Well, that might be a bit of an exaggeration.

Or is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXSjjygdhdg

If you don't get what happened in that video, ask your neighbor's kid to google Mark Kirk is a gop ahole who is a yuge gop ahole for you.

Kirk admitted he falsely boasted he was named Intelligence Officer of the Year. His unit won an award, not Kirk.

He acknowledged his campaign had promoted an erroneous story about him coming under fire while flying aboard a reconnaissance plane in Iraq. There’s no record of his plane being shot at.

Kirk’s campaign website bragged about his “combat service” in Kosovo. That never happened. The word “combat” was later removed from the site.

He claimed he’d been shot at in Afghanistan a year after he said he hadn’t been shot at. His campaign later said he was talking about two different trips to Afghanistan, but Kirk seemed to be talking about the same trip.

Kirk repeatedly said he’d been deployed to Afghanistan, which turned out to mean he went there for two-week training missions as part of his Navy Reserve requirements. He was never sent into war for an extended period of time.

He acknowledged his congressional office sent a letter to a constituent stating that he served in Operation Desert Storm, which is false.

Kirk said his congressional staff erroneously posted on his website that he was the only member of Congress to “serve in Operation Iraqi Freedom,” the U.S. invasion of Iraq after 9/11. Kirk was stateside during the war.

He claimed, “I command the war room in the Pentagon.” Military officials later said that wasn’t quite right, and that while Kirk is involved in the room’s operations, the room is run by people who outrank Kirk.

Kirk admitted he’d been scolded by the Pentagon, twice, for mingling politics with his military service, but denied he actually violated military policy. PolitiFact did a deep dive and concluded that, yes, he had violated the policy.

Those pesky things called facts are always bring republicans down..and to think Brian Williams got the boot from NBC for embellishing one incident, lol.

I just read how the Bonwit Teller building that was erected in 1929 had to be destroyed for crappy Trump Towers--and the art deco limestone pieces on the building that DT promised to the Met Museum -- but lied about, again - can he ever just tell the truth? -- he bulldozed them..he doesn't care about art, has zero ethics..and anyone that claims to be a billionaire would be able to pay 32k to have something removed off a building.

This is a radically entertaining election. All you ridiculous Democrats celebrating your bumbling, corrupt pig queen. You're such hypocrites, especially you, Nate. Rbb is quite possibly demented, but you claim to value critical thinking. How you can vote for Hillary is beyond reason.

Hillary defn makes poor decisions and I don't see the country making any significant movement with an opposition congress and her as the POTUS. In fact there is a lot of space between me and a many of the dem positions. However Hillary demonstrates mastery of the policy and the issues which is really what I look for in a candidate.

However the Republicans really took the cake with this election. With Trump we have a serial assaulter of women. His economic policy essentially boils down to starting trade wars and cutting taxes on the wealthy. Trump's foreign "policy" seems to align more with Putin than our national interests. Trump doesn't understand the importance of message to both our allies and our enemies. His character reminds me of Duterte. His campaign has been vengeful, full of attacks on people that he should be smart enough to avoid. His speech on his former birtherism seemed to be so far from reality that I suspect that he doesn't live in it. The Trump foundation exists to make Trump's legal problems go away on someone else's dime. I wonder, should he win, if he'll have the self control to avoid 3 am having twitter flame wars with the trolls. I've seen no evidence that Trump has any command of the issues and policy from Trump. His hubris about "winning" counts against him in my book, since it is such an extraordinary simplification of reality. He can't even seem to get along with other Republicans. Trump's scorched earth campaign tactics scare me. If his adopts a similar approach to governing, we might say goodbye to the republic that as underwritten our prosperity. Will it happen? I fucking hope not. Could it? Absolutely.

It is possible that he will turn around and might be fantastic president but without evidence to the contrary, I'm with her.

Nit, you're such a, well, nit.mastery of the policy and the issues is so ludicrous to any informed person that there is no point making further comment.I repeat that Trump is the least of evils by an enormous margin.Then there is the matter of the cackler's uncontrolled tantrums.I wouldn't ever bring up self control or financial irregularities if I were you.

This is a witch hunt, there is nothing in the emails and only Trumps rabid supporters continue to talk about them, no one cares, yawn.

Before Trumps get sworn in he'll have to see to his 4000 lawsuits; 75 remain open- first up..his fake university, then in December he will face rape charges against a 13 yr. old.

Zelda-if your party had a candidate like HRC you would be doing back flips. You gave us Bush and now this racist idiot. Your party is running an ignorant hog and we're supposed to pretend that we don't like Hillary?

Crabby-

Then there is the matter of the cackler's uncontrolled tantrums. ?? are you referring to Trumps twitter attack on a beauty contestant?

I just found out I need open heart surgery. I've decided to go with the surgeon that didn't go to medical school, has a limited vocabulary and is a sexual predator.

Nate, are you kidding? Are you paying any attention to what's going on, or are you just femming out? There has never been a candidate, Republican or Democrat, as corrupt as HRC including Nixon. Trump is an uncontrollable fool and I understand people voting against him, but to pretend HRC isn't extremely dangerous and this is some kind of partisan nyah, nyah game? You've abandoned reason. When Trump is no longer a factor, Democrats with any shred of integrity will need to support her impeachment and removal.

Oh, and Nate, she demonstrates a mastery of nothing. She is one of the most shallow candidates I've ever seen. Trump too. Their debates have been too humiliating to watch. The "policies" she grasps will never be anything she would want you to find out about. I don't know how that isn't obvious if you watched her debate.

"There has never been a candidate, Republican or Democrat, as corrupt as HRC including Nixon."

Trump & Rush saying this 100x a day doesn't make it reality.^^^

Bush and Cheney started an illegal war, outed Valerie Plame, destroyed millions of emails, committed war crimes, destroyed our economy, and are responsible for 22 VETS committing suicide daily. Hillary is like an innocent child compared to the Bush Cheney crime families; if they escaped impeachment then any administration can.

We have the choice between an intelligent woman that can complete a sentence with a vocab beyond the word BIGLY that has been hounded by the GOP for decades, with millions of tax dollars wasted investigating her OR a failed pretend billionaire coke addict rapist with zero attention span that has been robbing Americans for decades with a bigly interest in Russia and is BFFs with Putin.

Stop lecturing Democrats about integrity, all of you have been trashing Obama for years and he is scandal free.

While I agree that the debates with Trump were shallow. Is it just me or is everything Trump gets involved with turns into a race to the least common denominator? This whole election is pretty disgusting.

However the democratic primary debates contained a lot more substance and actual policy. She was quite polished and supported her arguments. Independent of the debates, she has achieved quite a lot over the course of her career. Yale law school. First women partner in the top Arkansas law firm. New York Senator. Secretary of State. She was a policy wonk in the first Clinton administration.

I think I understand your attraction to Trump. His fifth grade tactics are inline with your intellectual capability and his inability to state cogent arguments are similar to your inability to do anything other than insult those that disagree with you.

Let discuss my pedigree: 3.3 GPA Computer Science degree in one of the top public universities in the country Have consulted at multiple fortune 100 companies, and dozens of bigger onesCurrently run my own company

Since LOM simply lives off the taxpayer's dime, you might expect him to respect those that support his lifestyle. Nope, just another overly entitled low information voter that fails to make any point whatsoever.

"You are on very shaky ground to question the intellect of anyone else."

Says Crabby, a Trump supporter. You're voting for someone whose base burns down Black churches, waves a confederate flag and murders cops--all within a few days... Trump and his rabid base were bullying Katy Tur again last night at one of his KKK rallies.

Whoa- so glad Donald survived that "assassination attempt"-whew, that was close! Kellyanne Conway is sure spinning that one--in her green blouse and green earrings--it appears she has the same stylist as Melenia.

Fascism, whether from the left or the right always has several elements. The one the left pointedly does not mention is the unification of political and industrial power and control of the media. (Trump has none of that, Hillary does.)

This year could put the final nail in the coffin of America's Rule of law. (As president recommends that millions break the law; as democrat operatives brag about 50 years of ballot box manipulation and stealing elections.)

If Hillary is elected, you will have achieved your worst fear: the final take-over of America by the Fascists. If it happens I hope you come to regret your culpability. However I doubt you will. It takes morals and intelligence to have that king of regret. Elements you sadly lack.

Trump is a poor candidate, but he is a saint by comparison to the Clinton Crime family.

I don't understand. Trump makes the CEO of a media organization the head of his campaign and proposed that his kids would run his company if elected and you think that Clinton is the bigger risk of fascism? Doesn't pass the smell test. Trump has bragged about using every political lever available to him to enrich himself and has been threatening not to accept the election.

I'd highly suggest that you take a look at fact checking. Or does your political affiliation make facts irrelevant? There is close zero evidence of vote rigging or fraud. You seem to spout a lot of accusations with no substantiation.

Nate, That is so much Bullshit.One fucking online company versus, MSNBC,CNBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR, New York Times, AP, etc. (Fox has been a major contributor to Hillary in the past.)Take a look at the Billionaires, even the Koch brothers stayed away from Trump. The ruling party can't support Trump, look at the despicable Bushes. Trump is the only candidate that is working against the lawless fascism in America today. I don't expect you will take an honest look at things. You are too wound up in your delusions, talking points, and liberal identity to be rational.As I say, I doubt you will ever be intelligent enough to see the errors of your thinking, but god I hope you do and choke on you chains and servitude under your fascist leader.

Haverwilde--we heard the same threats from you about Obama - and yet,thankfully, he was able to dig us out of the Bush Cheney debacle. The U.S. and the world is going to miss Barack Hussein Obama but we welcome Hillary as POTUS.

What, exactly, is Trump doing to work against lawless fascism?

Trumps entire campaign has been about hate, exclusion, and attacking women- he thinks they should serve time for abortion. Pence wrote legislation for same sex couples to be jailed.

You do realize that Wall Street owns Trump, right? -and why are you voting for someone that wants to lower your minimum wage?

See SNL for the hypocrisy on the free pass given to Trump in this election. They gave zero time to Bernie and propped up Donald and have never questioned him about his rape charges..but Hillary's emails!!

DT is the first candidate in history to not release his taxes: but Hillary's emails!! There's a risotto recipe in there! He is going to be on trial in a matter of days for his FAKE UNIVERSITY AND FAKE CHARITY. He is going on trial in December for RAPE. He failed to pay hard working contractors both here and in Scotland--they HATE Trump, the entire planet, minus Putin, despises this man and knows he is a lunatic.

Havirwilde, I think that you will agree that Enemous/Reliably Blathers Bilge and Nit both live in some sort of alternate reality. Accordingly, they are not susceptible to facts and logic. Rather, they buy some of the most off the wall group think imaginable. Unfortunately, a large part of the electorate, if not the majority, are likewise so afflicted.I am very worried about the future.

Seriously? Roger Ailes, CEO of Fox until he resigned via scandal is an advisor to Trump. Trump was on the talk shows with incredible frequency and his message was covered with incredible frequency. Studies indicate that Trump got $20B in free media from the various news outlets. Seems a little inconsistent with the idea that they were sabotaging his candidacy.

Nit, what is YOUR definition of fascism?By the way, back in the day, the very worst name a Communist could think of was "fascist".I suppose it was because both Hitler and Mussolini had defeated the Communists and then drove them out of politics and into concentration camps. Ditto for Tojo.I think the reds are still mad about it all. I don't know why. They have always done the same thing. Isn't turn about fair play?