I think your pushing your own agenda deanrallison Inghams make huge profits every year the birds are theirs and are sent to growers who are paid a fee to grow them out if there is any extra cost due to implementing cameras it would be passed on to consumers.

I understand you are probably a farmer and are sick of left-wing "vegans" telling you what to do re: your husbandry but I think most people would find this unacceptable.

I am a meat-eater

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[quote="garyb"]if there is any extra cost due to implementing cameras it would be passed on to consumers.

You are correct Gary. In a fair world extra costs would be passed onto the consumer. Only this is the world of the Coles/Woolworths duopoly, any extra costs are borne by the farmer, and if they can't absorb them they go out of business. The end result is that the products are then bought in from one of the hot countries where the producers don't suffer the same level of conditions. In the winners' circle we have the Vegans, Coles, Woolies, and foreign producers. In the losers' circle we have Australian producers and consumers.

Due to the nature of this forum I would have thought it totally irrelevant whether you are a meat eater or a vegan, surely we are all animal and bird lovers here.Who cares how the footage was obtained, whether it was taken by a tree hugging, earth loving vegan or a member of the staff who was sick of what was going on, is again irrelevant.What matters is that the video is now out there and it will force the management to do something about it. I use the word management loosely, after all the recent revelations of what happens in some abattoirs wouldn't you have thought someone would have had the brains to put into practise whatever it takes to stop this sort of thing occurring.

Due to the nature of this forum I would have thought it totally irrelevant whether you are a meat eater or a vegan, surely we are all animal and bird lovers here.Who cares how the footage was obtained, whether it was taken by a tree hugging, earth loving vegan or a member of the staff who was sick of what was going on, is again irrelevant.What matters is that the video is now out there and it will force the management to do something about it. I use the word management loosely, after all the recent revelations of what happens in some abattoirs wouldn't you have thought someone would have had the brains to put into practise whatever it takes to stop this sort of thing occurring.

Email response to my comments to them via their website last night has been received (clearly a standard reply, but one which personally I am content with at this point in time):

"We want to reassure you that Inghams does not tolerate the mistreatment of its livestock.

A full investigation of this incident at Tahmoor is underway to identify those involved and to then take disciplinary action which for such misconduct will be the termination of employment.

As a result of the actions at the Tahmoor Processing plant Inghams will be installing video monitoring within live bird handling areas of our processing plants, as soon as practicable, to ensure animal welfare standards are met at all times.

A police investigation has commenced, in addition to the action Inghams is directly taking. Inghams is committed to fully cooperating with the investigation.

I find the idea put forward of 'mental health checks' pretty terrible. There is an extremely weak link between mental illness and violence, the vast majority of people with mental illness are not violent and the vast majority of people who are violent are not mentally ill. The mentally ill are far more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators.

I would have no problem with criminal record checks to see if the applicant has a history of violence, but discriminating based on mental health checks is an awful idea and it hopefully fits under the employment discrimination act.

I agree partly with Dean that its a big shame that these campaigns are generally headed by extremist vegan groups like Animals Australia. A read of the Animals Australia website shows they are not interested in reforming the industry but destroying it, they are even against backyard enthusiasts and pet owners. These guys think culling foxes is cruel!

I think there needs to be a rational voice in this argument rather than just a fight between the extremists on both sides (the militant vegans and the profit driven producers) and its up to the average consumer to take on this role and form a consumer group advocating self-regulation of the industry and helping consumers make informed choices about humane meat and egg products.

I find the idea put forward of 'mental health checks' pretty terrible. There is an extremely weak link between mental illness and violence, the vast majority of people with mental illness are not violent and the vast majority of people who are violent are not mentally ill..

For sure. When people mentioned 'mental health checks' I expect that what they were thinking of was some kind of detectable history of pathological violence towards animals (not the more common forms of mental illness that are totally different in nature and have absolutely no link to violent behaviour as you very rightly point out). I would not think that this behaviour represents any kind of pathology or disorder though - these people are just heartless thugs.

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