Consider this KJ Killer... I did my "home work" as you put it and was not able to recover the numbers by any other means... So I asked for help here. I was very specific in my request and I think the request was in a pleasant tone? So isn't it also "rude" to post suggesting I "do my home work" or several posts stating all the ways to get the numbers that I have already tried and or do not have access to? I started the topic with a specific request... why is it rude to expect a specific answer?

I apologize if the tone sounds rude. I don't have a back up of those songs. I don't have access to my first two accounts with those songs. You can call me names all you want (also rude), but those are the facts. I do not have to air my business issues on a karaoke forum, so I am not going to explain in infinity "why" until people "understand". I shouldn't have to.

I asked exactly what I was looking for and was clear about it. So I am simply asking others not to be rude by offering up every alternative to what I am actually asking and simply help if you can and if you can't, that's ok.

~ DJ Sultan

ps... I did look on Icroons and openKJ with no luck... I have regularly scoured the internet for anyone with an online book that might have the numbers (multiple hours on end). I have done everything else possible to find these numbers and continue to do so. I am not sitting on my thumbs asking others to "do my home work". I am simply asking for help IF you have the numbers. I am not asking anyone to join the search for the numbers. So those that don't have the numbers, this topic doesn't apply.

_________________Karaoke Etiquette: There are 2 reasons you should ALWAYS clap after every song...*** Either they are good.... Or they are done! ***

Part of doing your "HOMEWORK" is making sure that you have a back up hard drive that is an exact duplicate of your show drive. How many KJs here have no back up hard drive or a second laptop computer...."JUST IN CASE"? Hard drives are very inexpensive these days. There is no reason for a "professional" KJ not to have at least one back up hard drive. I don't know about anyone else but I have my password for karaoke version saved as a text document as I do with just about every web site that I use. I have all of my passwords saved on mulitiple computers desktops and laptops; JUST IN CASE!

Consider this KJ Killer... I did my "home work" as you put it and was not able to recover the numbers by any other means... So I asked for help here. I was very specific in my request and I think the request was in a pleasant tone? So isn't it also "rude" to post suggesting I "do my home work" or several posts stating all the ways to get the numbers that I have already tried and or do not have access to? I started the topic with a specific request... why is it rude to expect a specific answer?

I apologize if the tone sounds rude. I don't have a back up of those songs. I don't have access to my first two accounts with those songs. You can call me names all you want (also rude), but those are the facts. I do not have to air my business issues on a karaoke forum, so I am not going to explain in infinity "why" until people "understand". I shouldn't have to.

I asked exactly what I was looking for and was clear about it. So I am simply asking others not to be rude by offering up every alternative to what I am actually asking and simply help if you can and if you can't, that's ok.

~ DJ Sultan

ps... I did look on Icroons and openKJ with no luck... I have regularly scoured the internet for anyone with an online book that might have the numbers (multiple hours on end). I have done everything else possible to find these numbers and continue to do so. I am not sitting on my thumbs asking others to "do my home work". I am simply asking for help IF you have the numbers. I am not asking anyone to join the search for the numbers. So those that don't have the numbers, this topic doesn't apply.

I get why people are upset. Since your numbers have absolutely no real purpose, why not use them in state they are in. It's been years since I have used numbers or codes for my songs, In my mind they serve no purpose. In place of the numbers I have replaced them with the brand name. But I always keep a backup of my files. In this computer age, common sense dictates, always backup important information or files. It's the Professional thing to do.

_________________The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.

In his defense he did state he wanted original number to determine between versions within a manufacturer. Which I get as well, however on the flipside 9 out of 10 times the difference between songs within a manufacturer are typically reflected either in the title or artist that would differentiate between the two versions even without a number.Like the example given Pancho & Lefty - Willie Nelson & Merle HaggardPancho & Lefty - Willie Nelson

Although I do not believe KV ever made a Willie Nelson only version of Pancho and Lefty as it 1) was always a duet for Willie & Merle and 2) even if KV loses graphics rights to a song, they will always keep it as an instrumental which one does not exist!

There is indeed a KV version of Willie Nelson doing a solo version of Pancho & Lefty. It is 3 minutes and 51 seconds long and all of the graphics are the same color. The duet version is about a minute longer than the solo version and the graphics are in two different colors. I'm sure that over the years that Willie sang the song in a concert when Merle wasn't there. It may no longer be available on their web site but it was at one time.

KV had at one time deleted the short version of In The Navy. They replaced it with the long version. I owned the short version already, got the notice it had "been improved" and accepted the download only to realize it was a completely different version with the same number. Going to the web site I found the short version was no longer available. Seeing no reason to delete what I'd paid for, I added the long version to my book while retaining the short version.

This discussion made me go back and check, and lo and behold they restored the short version along side the long version, and they now each have their own product number. Interestingly, it shows me owning the short version without owning the long version. But they sent me the long version as an "improvement" of the first version I'd purchased.

I guess technically I now have a track I didn't pay for. They wiped out my status as a legal host by changing one product number, and I just found out!!! I shall fall on my sword now.

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