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MR. DARDANO: Yes.
MR. SHOEMAKER: -- someplace?
MR. DARDANO: I believe he's working in the group called WISE.
MR. BERFIELD: What was that name, again?
MR. SHOEMAKER: Called what?
MR. DARDANO: WISE.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Wise, W-i-s-e?
MR. CALDERBANK: That's a business, business community of Scientologists.
MR. DARDANO: It's the Institute of Scientology Enterprises. it's a group that sells Sclientology
technology to businessmen. You get the businessmen to use Scientology data and technology in their business.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Are you aware, Mr. Dardano, at any time of confidential information from auditing files or
something such as that being used against individuals?
MR. DARDANO: Yes, I'm -- well, it's just the -it's one of the major lies of Scientology. The auditing files -- they're
passed around the org. all the time. It doesn't make any difference who you are. Just about anyone can get
information out of the auditing file.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Did you personally ever MR. DARDANO: And I
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MR. SHOEMAKER: -- see anyone else go in the file?
MR. DARDANO: No. I never had anything to do with
MR. SHOEMAKER: Thank you.
MR. LeCHER: Okay.
Mr. Calderbank, again, I'd like
MR. CALDERBANK: Three brief questions.
where-did you learn your burglary skills?
MR. DARDANO: Mostly from books and practicing.
MR. CALDERBANK: Where did you get the practice and
the books?
MR. DARDANO: Just around the house that we were
living in, the lock picking; we'd get practice lockpick-
ing.
MR. CALDERBANK: Scientology taught you and supplied
you with the--information you needed to help train you?
MR. DARDANO: Yes, sir.
-MR. CALDERBANK: Is that a policy of the Church to
do that or
MR. DARDANO: Yes, they're very specific: intelli-
gence packets that are--- intelligence are trained
specific ally on how to do breaking and entering, how to
lock pick.
MR. CALDERBANK: And this is supported by the policy
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of Scientology?
MR. DARDANO: Yes.
Nothing we did -- we had quite a few we' would
go in and look for information under. the guise of students
doing research or -- basically, lying to get information,
using cover stories to get information about people or
places.
MR. CALDERBANK: Is this a policy that's done world-j~
wide in the Scientology organization or utilized world-
wide?
MR. DARDANO: Yes. It's done under the t-raining ozfj~
Bureau 1 in the G -- in the Guardian's Office.
MR. CALDERBANK: Any information or communication,
while you were in Boston engaged in these activities,
come from or go to Clearwater?
MR. DARDANO: Yes, it did because all Clearwater
is Flag, Flag Land Base.
MR. CALDERBANK: So, in
MR. DARDANO: Virtually all information across the
planet comes to Clearwater.
MR. CALDERBANK: So, we control these type of
criminal activities all over the world from Flag here,
Clearwater?
MR. DARDANO: Yes, sir.
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MR. CA.LDERBANK: Okay..
The person that ran the criminal practices
what's his name, Deac
MR. DARDANO: Deac Finn.
MR. CALDERBANK: Deac Finn is now, to the best of
your knowledge, here in Clearwater in a local mission
running the WISE
MR. DARDANO: WISE just -- I'm not sure what
city it is; it's not Clearwater.
MR. CALDERBANK: But it's in Florida somewhere?
MR. DARDANO: In Florida, somewhere within an hour
to an hour and-a-half from Clearwater.
MR. CALDERBANK: Working with W-I-S-E
MR. DARDANO: Yes.
MR. CALDERBANK: -- which is selling Scientology
technology to.private industries, private businesses?
MR. DARDANO: Yes.
MR. CALDERBANK: That's all.
MR. LeCHER: All right.
Mr. Berfield.
MR. BERFIELD: Just a couple of quick ones:' You
said you had a lawsuit against the Scientologists?
MR. DARDANO:. No, I don't
MR. BERFIELD: Do they have one against you?
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MR. DARDANO: No, sir.
MR. BERFIELD: Can you tell us just very briefly
what made you come down here today?
MR. DARDANO: Just for the fact that I know it's
important. Scientology has been putting the screws to a
lot of people for a long time. And I spent six years and
fifteen thousand dollars.
.The kids -- the people that are being indoctrinated
into the Church are -- they're being duped into it. Most
of them are just.swallowed up by the Church. They're not
allowed to think f'or themselves. You go into the Church
and you're immediately fed with L. Ron Hubbard's data.
You're not allowed to use any of your own information and
experiences to evaluate the presentsituation. You're
completely isolated from society.
You thi-nk you're doing the best thing in the world.
You think you're going to help the world. And you become
so dedicated and ingrained in the doctrine of L. Ron
Hubbard.
MR. BERFIELD: How would you describe the practice
of Scientology?
MR. DARDANO: How would I describe it?
MR. BERFIELD: Yes.
Are they honest, deceptive
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MR. DARDANO: They're just -- money making; that's all they want to do, just make a buck.
MR. LeCHER: Okay.
Mrs. Garvey, any questions?
MRS. GARVEY: Yes.
Just -- sir, why did you leave? What finally was the break point?
MR. DARDANO: I was -- after the line was broken up because of the out security and George Bristol's cover being
blown in the Attorney General's Office, I went down to FOLO, Flag liaison office in New York. And I was trained there
for -- to become a missioner. But Deac Finn and I had several personality conflicts. He had called me back to
Boston and I was security checked for about six hours.
And after that -- security checking is -- it can get pretty brutal at times, and I had just had enough and decided to
leave.
MRS. GARVEY: Why -- what was your justification for your burglarizing and stealing of files?
MR. DARDANO: I thought Scientology was going to save the planet and free the world and we were right and
everyone else was wrong.
MRS. GARVEY: Did you see -- did you receive
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detailed reports that you had to follow on your -
MR. DARDANO: No. Our reports were all typed and handwritten. We didn't receive any written information from the
higher sources. It was all given verbally or it was given in written form, but all of the written form was destroyed
immediately after it was received.
MRS. GARVEY: That's it.
MR.LeCHER: One just quick question for the record: You mentioned someone recruited you into the dirty tricks
movement from the Guardian's Office.
would you like to give me that name of that person who recruited you?
MR. DARDANO: Yes. It was Gary Brown.
MR. LeCHER: Gary'?
MR. DARDANO: Gary
MR. LeCHER: Gary Brown.
MR. DARDANO: -- Brown.
MR. LeCHER: Okay.
Again, because of the time constraints we're under, were going -- that's all the questions we have.
MR. CALDERBANK: I've got just one question.
So your beliefs in Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, and the policies that come from that organization induced you into
criminal activities in Boston?
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MR. DARDANO: Yes, sir.
Mr. Flynn has asked me to clarify: At the time that I was involved in these activities, Flag was not located at
Clearwater; Flag was still on board the Apollo, because these activities ended in -- well, as far as I was concerned,
they ended in early 176.
MR. LeCHER: Okay. Thank you very much.
MR. FLYNN: I'd like to see if we can clarify that date.
What's your best memory as to when -- whatever your best memory is
MR. DARDANO: I believe it ended in 1976.
MR. LeCHER: Thank you.
Do you have a witness, Mr. Flynn?
MR. FLYNN: I do. The next witness is going to be Paulette Cooper.
I'd like to put a couple of documents quickly on the overhead projector, if I could.
MR. LeCHER: How many documents do you have, Mr. Flynn?
MR. FLYNN: We'll put
MR. LeCHER: Approximately?
MR. FLYNN: We'll put about five or six on.
Kevin, why don't we start with Project Owl.
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This -- in interest of time, we're going to really narrow this down. We're going to put the entire exhibit into evidence.
Some of the exhibits involve the Ops Checksheets on clay demoing things, like Mr. Mayer was talking about: how
they do it, the documents they have to read. Some of the documents involve how to commit a burglary, the various
steps; discussions and lessons on lock-picking devices, how to use them, with descriptions.
Some of the documents involve things like making an evaluation of what has been a successful and an unsuccessful
action. And they 'include things like: burglarizing, larceny, smearing, covert third-partying, launching anti-press
campaigns, tracing individual reporters, various types of harassment,.and things like..that.
It's a -- they're multi-page documents, and I'm not sure we-have the time to go into them. The Commission will have
them all at their disposal.
For instance, one of the documents is lists of agencies across the country that the organization is going to
burglarize to steal documents from, and it contains the name of just about every national agency that you could
probably think of .
The first exhibit on the projector is an operation called Project Owl. And in that operation, I would refer
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you to the second page -- well, you see under -- there's an example up there, a major target. To handle the -- to
handle the attack being generated on Wise refund cycle, both with Wise and his attorney and at the Suffolk County
DA's office, and then it goes through various primary targets. And there's names: "Deac, Gary B., Kathy B.," a 11 of
which the witness could give direct testimony on, if we took the time.*
If you go over to the second page, you'll see a heading under "Vital Targets," and then going down to "Operating
Targets," you see: "CDC and time tracks done on the following" - that's overt data collections "Stanley Cath,
Attorney John Lynch, John Wise, John Wise's father, Reverend Steves," and then there's some others penciled in
there, including "Thomas Dwyer," who happens to be a colleague of mine from law school, who was then in the
Assistant District Attorney's Office.
Then, number two, you will see: "Obtain Cath's files on" - then in parentheses - "(by FSM" - which is field staff
member - "or other means as appropriate)" of which there's been testimony - "a, John Wise, b, Scientology. And Dr,-
Cath is a medical doctor from Boston or Belmont, Massachusetts upon which Miss Cooper will testify because it
was her doctor. And then number c is:
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"others as needed" - parentheses - "(including Paulette
Cooper material not previously obtained)," which would
sugge st that they had already gone in before then.
"Cliff Stanton files, Cath personal files, material
on deprogramming, Mrs. Elaine Lieberman, Van Roeschmann,
International Foundation for Individual Freedom" - IFIT --
IFIF - "Return to Personal Choice, Dr. Taylor and Ted
Backer. Do.CDC" - that's covert data collections - "on
Cath -for data on his book, fish for leads that Cath knows
Wise and/or Stanton, use Cath to establish lines to other
areas for CDC," et cetera.
What the Commission needs to be aware of in the con-
text of all of this information is that this is just one
project of which we're getting a little more specific.
And that entire project will go in as the next exhibit.
(A copy of Project Owl was marked
as Exhibit No. 48, as of this date.)
MR. FLYNN: Operation Freakout is a multi-page
exhibit, which the Commission can read with regard to
very specific instructions as to who was to do what in
order to carry out this operation, which -- the reading
of-which is rather remarkable.
The first item of attention is under "Major
Target," right at the top, "To get PC incarcerated in a
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mental institution or jail, or at least to hit her so hard that she drops her attack."
I would.s.uggest to you that the Project'Owl was a part of Freakout when they attempted to obtain Miss Cooper's
psychiatric files from Dr. Cath in order to put her in a mental institution or in jail, of which she will testify.
And I would also I would also direct the commission's attention -- we'll have to go back to Owl and put
the last page of Owl on the transparency. And as you can
see, there's all kinds there's very specific instructions on what they do, when they do it, et cetera, et
cetera.
But going down to the bottom, you'll see a name at the bottom, "Mike Cooper." Mike Cooper is Mitchell Hermann,
who is one of the individuals who has been convicted and is now in jail, and he was the Guardian of the Southeast
U.S. Sect, during this period of time, which was Clearwater. And this particular project originated in your city.
MR. CALDERBANK: Mike, these people seem to have an affinity for infiltrating district attorneys' offices.
Would you give any information or any documentation.- I've seen some as to the information or
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infiltration that was either gained or the office infiltrated for our State Attorney General, Mr. Russell, or for the local
office? Was it ever targeted, or do you have documentation to that effect, Clearwater documents?
MR. FLYNN: Yes. There -- as I said, we've got a whole separate package just on Clearwater, which is two or three
inches thick, which is, I would suggest to you, just; a mere sampling of some of the documents. All of the Red i Box
data was never received. Another seventy or eighty thousand documents are up in the Clerk's 0ffice in Washington,
D.C. under seal. -these documents are not under seal. And the documents that have been under seal have never
been viewed by my office - and I don't know who else they've been viewed by - but I would suggest that there may be
other documents pertaining to Clearwater.
MR. CALDERBANK: I'd just like the people to know that our DA offices, also, are a target - or at least in a document
- a projected target for infiltration.
MR. FLYNN: Oh, yes. The exhibits that are in the
Clearwater packet start right at the beginning with
Operation Normandy to take over the City of Clearwater,
outlining all of the offices that are going to be infiltrated and documents are going to be stolen from, people
are going to be planted in. There's probably thirty or
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thirty-five such offices. We'll reach that at another
point in time. But they're all laid out very clearly in
Operation Normandy. And you might remember that Normandy
was a beachhead for in Worl - d War II, and Clearwater
was a beachhead for Mr. Hubbard.
Okay. We'll now go forward with Paulette Cooper.
I will have these other documents marked on how -to commit burglaries, evaluations of which types of covert
operations are successful and unsuccessful, as well as the drills that one goes through, such as Mr. Mayer, Mr.
Dardano, Mrs. Peterson, Mr. Walters, and others have described as to how you're trained to do very specIrIc things.
(A copy of Operation Freakout was marked as Exhibit No. 49, as of this date;
Documents on how to commit burglaries, evaluations of covert operations, and drills were marked as Exhibit Nos.
50, 51, and 52, as of this date.)
MR. LeCHER: Would you like to call your next witness, now?
MR. FLYNN: Miss Cooper, please.
MR. LeCHER: Miss Cooper, will you be sworn in, please?
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PAULETTE COOPER, a witness herein,
having first been duly sworn by a Clerk for the City of
Clearwater, was examined and testified as follows:
MR. LeCHER: Miss Cooper, are you appearing here
today and testifying under oath voluntarily?
MS. COOPER: Yes.
MR. LeCHER: Have you been paid by anyone for your
testimony, other than the expenses for com-ing to the
City of Clearwater?
MS. COOPER: No.
%IR. :,eCHER: Do .-ou na-\.- a 'awsuit aga4ns-
Church of Scientoiogy?
MS. COOPER: Yes.
MR. LeCHER: Does the Church of Scientology have a
lawsuit against you?
MS. COOPER: Yes.
MR. LeCHER: How many, eighteen?
-MR. FLYNN: And for the record, the Commissioners
may remember that one of the earlier exhibits on the
purpose of a lawsuit, which was read, to harass and
discourage and to destroy the person.
Mi. LeCHER: Has anyone suggested to you that you
should state inything but the truth or has anyone
suggested that you change your testimony for any reason?
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MS. COOPER: No.
MR. LeCHER: How do you defend yourself against
eighteen lawsuits?
MS. COOPER: I work day and night to support the
lawyers.
MR. LeCHER: I don't know how you could simply
afford it.
MS. COOPER: I figured out just recently that it's
cost over fifty thousand dollars for legal fees on the
suits.
MR. FLYNN: For the record, I haven't received anY
of that.
MR. LeCHER: Start at the beginning, please.
MS. COOPER: Okay.
I'm a freelance writer; I live in-Manhattan. I'm
the author of several hundred articles, two of which are
about Scientology; I'm also the author of six books, one
of which is The Scandal of Scientology. I have been
studying Scientology since 1968.
The last couple of years, the Scientologists --
MR. LeCHER: I don't think they can hear you, Miss
Cooper,'in the back of the room.
MS. COOPER: Okay.
The last couple of years, the Scientologists have'
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been telling the people of Clearwater that they've
changed and they've advanced a lot in the last couple of
years. I certainly haven't noticed it. As I said, the
eighteenth lawsuit was just served on me last week.
I am being sued now repeatedly by individual
Scientologists, who, in some cases, I don't even know,
suits for supposedly distributing literature at functions
I didn't even attend.
Part of the purpose in harassing people with law-
suits is to keep deposing t,hem and preventina you from
writing or making a living and maiking you show up at
legal depositions. I've been deposed for nineteen days
total since this started, with four more coming up in
a couple of weeks.
There has also been some other harassment in the
past six montbz or so: continued calls to me, calls to
my family. The Scientologists find out what the person's
buttons are, as they put it, and the way to get to them.
And they know that a way to get me is to harass my
parents.. So, they have been under a great deal of
harassment, as well as my harassment.
They've put out libelous publications about me;
they've sent letters saying that I was soon to be
imprisoned. And you saw the Operation Freakout and
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attempts that have been made to put me in prison. They've
sent false reports about me to the Justice Department,
the District Attorney's Office, the IRS. As You know,
government agencies have to investigate any complaints
that they get. So, then, Scientology sends out press
releases that Iam under investigation by the Attorney
General's Office, I am under investigation by the DA, and
so on.
They have put detectives on me; they have put spies
on me. A few months ago, they put an attempted spy on
my mother to try to get information about me from her and
to fix me up with the woman's son, so they could get
direct to me. They cancelled my plane to -- well, some-
body cancelled my plane to Florida about a month ago, and
that is the third time that happened to me this year
while I was traveling.
I'd like to say that this was a very good year
compared to the previous years. And I'd like to discuss
a little bit what it was like to fight Scientology alone,
starting in 1968, because I was the only one who was
speaking out. This is a wonderful thing that there are
people dpeaking out now. But when I started, absolutely
nobody else did it. And I was the only person until
from 1968 until 1973.
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In 1973, Nan McLean joined, and the two of us
spoke out publically. And then in 1976, Gabe Cazares
joined, and there were the three of us.
When I Started in 1968, there was no support from
the press, there were no rallies, there were no grand
juries looking into Scientology, there were no lawyers
like Mike, Mr. Flynn. There was no peer acceptance
about what you were doing; there was just no understand-
ing that anything was wrong. It was somewhat like a
social group that people were joining and it had a
veneer that everything was going along well, a!though,
based on the testimony you've had here, you know, these
dirty tricks were going on. But if I said that they
were, people thought that I was the one that was making
these things up about them.
I'd like to give a little background as to how'.1
got interested in the subject. I never was a Scientolo-
gist.' My basic interest is as a writer; I like investi-
gative things. In addition, I have a Master's Degree
in Psychology, and I studied Comparative Religion at
Harvard for a summer.
A friend of mine, in 1968, joined Scientology and
he ended up in a mental institution. I'm not saying that
one caused the other, but it certainly peaked my curiosity.
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When he escaped, he.came to visit me and he told me that
he was Jesus Christ. I then had
MR. BERFIELD: Re was who?
MS. COOPER: Jesus Christ. And he'd been a pretty
normal person before then.
I then called our mutual friend who had gotten him
in and said, "He thinks he's Christ.." And my friend said,
"Well, he really is." So, I thought, "Well, this bears
some investigation."
I went in and took their weekend course. During
the time, i wandered away Z:-rom the group where they were
teaching the particular, well, TRs, as they call them,
and I came upon a list of people, who I don't remember
for sure if it was a Fair Game Order, but I think it was,
because these people were being declared enemies of man-
kind. And it was very odd terminology. I remember one
woman's name was on there and it declared her enemy of
mankind for pushing five men down a flight of stairs.
And what -- how could she do that? It just didn't ring
like true.
And I decided to contact some of these people when
I came home. And I think I took about five names, the
five top people, and every one of them had an unlisted
number, disconnected phone. Well, this is 1968, and the
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people it was attracting were twenty-two, twenty-three
years old. And just by chance, a whole group of people
are not going to have 'Live unlisted numbers unless
there's a reason for people to unlist their number.
So, it began to bother me that, you know, was
this so-called respectable Church perhaps harassing
people? And in that one weekend, I had noted that they
had lied about certain things, and I wondered about a
church lying to people. And I decided to look in the
library and see if I could get any information, any book. I
And i discovered that all the stories had been clipped
out of every single magazine pertaining to Scientology,
and I wondered whether this Church was, perhaps, possibly
stealing things.
Well, I spent the next couple of years doing
research into-Scientology. And my first article came
out in December of 1969. That's also the month that I
received my first death threat. And then a number of
mysterious events occurred, both then and during the time
within the next-year and-a-half until my book came out.
I was followed on several occasions; we found a phone tap
on my phone; I was being multiply sued already at that
time. A number of -- oh, people kept calling me and
trying to take me out, and it seemed like people were
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trying to get to me.
And this went on for four unpleasant years, includ-
ing four lawsuits, one of which was for somebody else's
book. And when that happened, I got really annoyed. And
I became the first person to sue them for haras4ment,
and this was actually shocking to them because Hubbard
had written that an enemy of -- that no one would ever
sue Scientology, that they had too much to hide and that
the people were criminals whoever attacked the Church,
and, therefore, we were going to just wither away and dieJ
So, they then decided - as we know later and I'm
going to discuss this.later.- at that time that they were
c~ut to get me and they would have to silence me because,
after my book came out, I began to receive very, very
disturbing calls. And the type of things that you've
been hearing.-for the last few days were the type of
things that people would call and tell me what' -- mysteri-
ous things happening to them, that -- all kinds of very
unpleasant things. And that.everybody had a sort of
paranoid feeling and they were afraid to speak out; people
were very afraid to speak out. And yet, when enough
people who don't know each other tell you the same thing
happening to them, you begin to realize that something
is going on.
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Well, about October of 1972, they started a big
campaign to finally silence me or attempt to stop me.
The that month I received the second-of what was
u-1timately to be five anonymous, absolutely, disgusting
smear letters about me. This particular one called me
a part-time prostitute, and you can imagine how upsetting
it is to open up something like that and read it.
During this same period of time, there were a large
number of attempts to get into my apartment, which was
on the ground floor of the building that I lived in at
the time; it was not well guarded, and I was quite con- I
cerned. I received a tremendous number of really dis-
gusting calls, and I remember one day counting eleven
calls.
Remember that I work as a freelance writer. That
means that if-1 get upsetting calls and I'm unhappy, it's
very hard to just pick up and to write what you were
working on. A lot of abusive calls then and over the
years, just the sort of -- you pick up the phone and
somebody says, "Oh, what are you doing?" And they'd
hang up and call back, so you have to take the phone off
the hook. And if you're trying to reach somebody, they
can't call you back.
Well, I finally decided that I was going to move to
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a higher-security apartment, even though I really could
not afford to do so at the time. I moved on December
15th. on December -- the person who took over the
apartment was my second cousin. We bore a physical
resemblance, but -- basically, because we're about the
same age and she was very petite and we both had short,
brown hair at the time.
And a series of mysterious circumstances occurred.
The important thing was that she opened up the door to
someon e who had flowers and rang my bell. And I was
no longer living there, although, n-,y name aas still on t-I'lle
door. And so, Eddie Walters told you about R 245, and
you've heard the policy. When Joy opened the door to
get these flowers, he unwrapped the gun -- he unwrapped
the flowers and there was a gun in it. And he took the
gun and he put it at Joy's temple and he cocked the gun,
and we don't know whether it misfired, whether it was
empty.and it was a scare technique, what happened, but,
somehow, the gun did not go off. And the -- he started
choking her, and she was able to break away and she
started to scream. And the person ran away.
Ahd so, she called a detective and he said, "It's
a very wild attack because there doesn't seem to be any
motive for it." There was no attempted rape, there was
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no attempted robbery, and why should somebody just
suddenly try to kill her.
The -- about a week or two later at my new apart-
ment, I received a visit from the FBI. And they informed
that the public relations person for Scientology had
claimed that she had received a couple of bomb threats
and asked -- and had named me as somebody likely to send 1~
bomb threats. So, the -- I didn't take the whole thing
very seriously, and the FBI asked me if I would mind
being fingerprinted. And I said that I would not, and I i
was f increrorinted.
At the same time my cousin Joy's boyfriend had beeni
very, very upset about what happened. And he said, "Boy,
you better let your Scientology spies know that you have
moved and where you are because I don't want anything to
happen to her-again." And I did.
And shortly thereafter, in my -- to my new building,
half the tenants, which is approximately three hundred
tenants in the building, received a very, very disgusting
anonymous smear letter about me, trying to get me kicked
out of the apartment, and saying that I had venereal
disease, that I would sexually molest little children.
The only thing that was true in the letter was my age,
which was not something I wanted known anyway. And it
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was very, very embarrassing. As I was walking through
the building -- and I've heard people talking about me
in 'the elevator, and I was just sort of slinking along
and I was really -a month later my parents received an
anonymous smear letter about me, accusing me of prac-
ticing sexual perversions with their clergyman. These
were not very good months.
So -- and I was called ffor grand jury around this
time. At least, I didn't think this was anything very
serious and did not bother to retain a lawyer, had verv
little money because I had used all my money to !move to
this more expensive, higher-security apartment.
And when I got there, they told me that I was the
target of an investigation into the bomb threats. And I
went and had to hire a lawyer, and every lawyer wanted --
the least we could get was five thousand-dollar retainer,
which, in those years, was like paying ten thousand
dollars, you know, today. And to suddenly have to pay
this sum of money and find out that you're in serious
trouble, and no one would -- the governrent would not tell my
lawyers what the evidence was against me. They wouldn't
show me the letters.
Anyway, finally, I went before the grand jury, and
I tried to answer every question as truthfully as I could.
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I never took the Fifth Amendment. And they kept asking
me again and again, "Did you ever see this letter? Did
you ever touch it? Do you know who might have?" And I
said, incidentally, "Yes," that I suspected they might
have sent it to themselves because we had some unpleasant
confrontations in the press.
And then they asked me to step outside the room.
And when I came in, I knew I was in very serious trouble,
and they asked me what my social security number was,
whether I was on druqs, and did I realize what I had saidl
I
so far. And again, they asked me the same series of
questions.
And then they said, "Well, Miss Cooper, if you've
never touched this letter before, could you tell us how
your fingerprints got on it?" And I felt like a grand
piano had jus-t.hit me on the head. I -- I fainted sittin
up; the whole room just turned upside down and I didn't
know what to do. And then, of course, the lawyers wanted
more money.
And on May -- let's see, May 19th, 1973, 1 was
indicted on the three counts of sending bomb threats
through the mail; two counts were for two letters. One
was for perjury for saying before the grand jury that I
hadn't done it and that I thought this publ-ic relations
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person might have done it. On May 29th, ten days later,
I was arrested and I was arraigned.
The next eight months were a terrible, terrible
nightmare in my life that I still feel sometimes that I
suffer from to this day. I had fifteen years in jail
over my head and fifteen thousand dollars in fines. I
was petrified about going to jail, more so, perhaps,
because of my small frame and the fact that I heard that
women's federal prisons were rough places.
I risked having my career totally destroyed
because -- and I had been success-fful. And as an a free-
lance writer, what editor is ever going to give an assign-'
ment to someone who's been indicted or convicted for
sending bomb threats to someone they opposed?
I was very concerned about the indictment and
the trial coming out in the newspapers. The public does
not know the difference between indict and convict, and
they think that if you're on trial for something, you must
have done it or where there's smoke, there's fire. I was
left with the terrible public humiliation that every
person I ever knew in New York would read-the details of
the triAl and these accusations.
I was most concerned about my parents, who had
adopted me when I was six years old, and how humiliating
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it would be for them and their friends to have to explain
and to go through a trial like this.
During this period of time, I went through a
terrible, terrible depression and a number of my friend.s,
which I can't blame them for, did not stick by me. I
was depressing to be with. I had been seeing a man.for
five years and had intended to marry him, and he left as
a result of my depression. I was released on my own
recognizance, but I was not allowed to leave the state.
And this made it difficult because I had friends in
Connecticut and in New jersey, and it was just ali 1
could do to get away for a weekend. But it was so humili-
ating to have to go to the court and ask permission to go
twenty miles away that I couldn't do it.
I went through a period of very, very acute anxiety.
I would go to-sleep -- I couldn't fall asleep till about
four in the morning and I'd wake up about six with my
stomach just in my throat and worrying about what the
next day would bring and what was going to happen at the
initial hearing. And this went on for eight months, and
I was just totally exhausted, sleeping two to four hours
a day. I couldn't drag myself around anymore.
All the money I had had gone to lawyers, and I went
into debt to try to continue to pay for them. The -- in
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the end, just the main lawyers cost nineteen thousand
dollars.
I was totally unable to write during this period.
I was -- the depression was very, very bad and I couldn't
concentrate. I attempted to write, but it was really
very bad writing. And I stopped eating because I was
filled with such nausea and exhaustion. I tried to force
myself to have -- I took a sixteen ounce-glass of tomato
juice each day and two eggs. About half the time, I
would just eat it and then go to bathroom and throw it
up; I just couidn't hold food in my stomach..
Oh, a year earlier I had been operated on and a
lot of the.-- I was physically ill as well during this
period. Mentally, I just totally fell apart about half
way through. I developed, for the first time in my life,
acute agoraphobia; I couldn't leave the house. I think
that this really started with this attempted murder that
I felt had been intended for me. But then, you have to
remember, I didn't want to walk around my building
because I was hearing people talking about the lady with
VD.
A~fid I had been very concerned when they were going
to arrest me that they were going to arrest me~in the
lobby of my building and humiliate me among my neighbors
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further. So, this was the genesis of a sudden inability
to go out.
And some of my friends were very, very good. They
would come over and try to force me to get out and get
my mind off what was going on. It worked for a while.
Around September/October, it didn't work anymore. One
friend came over, alaxmed that I had not left the house
for a week, andhe said, "You've got to walk around the
bl~ock." And I remember we stepped outside about two or
three steps and I just started crying and I said, "Don't
7,a"-,-- me. T can't do it; I just can't do i-." And then
I went home and I stayed inside for about two more weeks.
And meanwhile, during this period of time, there
was a friend, a new friend, who I met under somewhat
mysterious circumstances, but he was very, very helpful.
And I obtained an apartment for him in my building, and
he did some of the food shopping that I could not get out
and do. And his name was Jerry Levin.
And everybody -- the worst period of time was
approkimately two weeks before the trial.. My lawyers
informed me that, with a federal case, it was a ninety-
five percent chance of conviction. They then gave me the
good news that, for the trial, they wanted my parents
to be seated in the front row and watch the entire
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proceedings. And I kept saying, "You can't do that to
them. It's going to be awful enough for them to read
it in the paper." And they said, "You don't understand,
if you're parents don't show up, the jury doesn't
realize," you know, "that this is what you want. They're
just going to" -- they felt that the one circumstance
that might get me acquitted was the mutually close
relationship with my parents.
On top of that, go ing through.some Scientology
material that I had obtained, there was the name of
Jerry Levin. Now, I horribly betraved, but at the
same time I simply did not want to believe it. I was
very naive, and his name was a very common name,
especially, in a city like New York.
meanwhile, we had tried every single move possible
to get the trial stopped. And but I was in a very,
very nervous state and it was impossible for me to be
tested correctly. And we went to some doctors who said
that they felt the only thing that might work would be
if I would go into a state where I didn't know what was
going on, meaning sodium pentothal or truth serum,
because,to do that, you have to be -- you're unconscious;
it's like an operation.
So, the problem was we couldn't find a doctor who
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would give me a sodium pentothal t.est because, by this
time, I weighed eighty-three pounds; I had started about
ninety-eight. And it became very, very dangerous to go
and put somebody under, as if for an operation, and do
that. And I just said I didn't care if the operation --
not the operation, but if the sodium pentothal killed
me because, if I had to stand trial for what I didn't do
and humiliate everyone a nd go through this humiliation,
that I would just as soon be dead anyway.
And we finally did find a doctor two weeks before
trial who gave me a sodium pentothal test. I was uncon-
scious for seven hours. I don't know what I said during
that. I do know that, when I came to, my mother was
standing there and I said, "What happened? What did I
say?" And she just said,."It's okay. It's all over.
There won't be a trial."
The government wanted to save face because they
don't'like to admit that they've made a mistake. So, they
said that they wouldn't actually they would postpone
the trial, but they would not actually drop the charges
at that'time. They also'ordered me to see a psychiatrist
which I thought was very humiliating.
The government did not drop the charges and, for
two years after all this. 11 1 still had to worry on a daily
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basis whether one day there was going to Joe a trial and
all of these things that I was afraid of, the prison and
so on, was going to happen.
The next year was 1974, and there were a number of
new lawsuits against me. Oh, continued harassments,
including harassments of my family and their clergyman,
new spies.. By the summer, which was about seven months
after the worst period of this whole thing, ! remember
that one of my friends said that htat was the first time
he had seen me smile in a year and-a-half.
And so, I decided, in fact, that I was goina to
try to get back this gentleman that I was interested in.
And I threw a birthday party to have an excuse to invite
him to something and I sent an invitation, and he then
wrote me the most incredible letter back. And what I
found out was that there was then a fifty anonymous smear
letter about me, this one sent to him and his bosses, and
he would never talk to me again; and he never has.
In 1975J, the charges against me were finally
dropped. But during this period, they started a new type
of harassment. And then I began receiving things in the
mail, silch as copies of -- I had kept a diary from when
I was seventeen to about twenty, and there was my diary
suddenly coming back to me, copies of letters that I had
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sent out - or my carbon copy of it - and a psychiatrist's
report that Mr. Dardano explained that he stole.
In 1976, the charges were -- no, excuse me. In
late 175, the charges were finally dropped. At that
point some very bizarre things happened that, it wasn't
until later, I would learn were part of another attempt
to put me in jail. But -- for example, people were
somebody was calling a number of my close friends, imi-
tating my voice to a degree that was good enough that
some people stopped talking to me, others called and
yelled at me: why should I'have called and been so rude
and so on. And I said, "I didn't call." And then I
went to a writers' meeting and someone said, "Gee, how
was Washington?" I said, "I haven't been to Washington
in two years." They said, "You called from Washington."
I didn't unde-rstand at the time why these things were
being done.
Also, at a I was with a group of writers and
someone showed me a joke, and I realized afterwards that
it appeared to be an attempt to get my fingerprints aaain.
And I became very, very upset because, after all, I had
a, quote, record, end quote. And I was very concerned
about the possibility of more"bomb threats.
In there were many, many more things that were
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done to me over the years, but this is -- I'm trying to
summarize a little bit.
In December of 1976, 1 became very, very tired of
it all. By that time there were nine lawsuits against
me. Right before I went to court, all the stuff was
remailed to me that was mailed in the past, sort of a
subtle blackmail: "This is what's going to happen if you
don't settle." Scientology wanted me to settle quite
badly.
Also, they convinced me at that time that they
changed and that they really were a very nice orgAniza-
tion, and that,by my continued statements and stance
against them and my book, I was preventing them from doing
the good deeds that they wanted to do or that they were
doing by bringing up the bad things all the time. And
in December of '76, 1 agreed, in a sense, that -- it's
easier to just say that I agreed, in a sense, not to bad
mouth.them and they agreed not to bad mouth me.
While they were telling me that they had changed,
unbeknownst to me, there was a man named Michael Meisner
and he had been a top GO operative - and they were hold-
ing him'under gag and handcuff. And this man knew that
I had been criminally framed and he knew about a lot of
things that had been going on.
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In the summer of 1977, the FBI raided the three
Scientology organizations. On October 12th, 1977, the
FBI called me. Now, remember, this was' a five-year
period that.I had never been able to prove my innocence;
the government considered me a criminal; I had a, quote,
record, end quote. And the FBI called out of the blue
and said, '.'We have just received evidence that you were
innocent of this those orig.inal charges." And I hung
up the phone and cried and I, in fact, tried to reach
that person thatwas no longer talking to me, but he had
since remarried.
I worked with the FBI for the next couple of years.
I did learn before -- in the investigation that was going
on that the murder attempt on Joy was seemingly intended
for me by Scientology. I learned that they had broken --
Scientology -had broken into my New.York lawyer's office
and this was one of many lawyers to break into, but
that was the first one. And I learned, which was, to me,
the most important thing, that they had framed me-in
1972.
And -- letme skip ahead a little bit to some of
the stuff that -- there were more lawsuits.
Anyway, at the end of 1979, 1 f inally saw the
documents that had been seized. There were twenty-three
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thousand documents. And there were documents I'm
sorry, twenty-three thousand that were available to the
public. And there were two documents that finally made
it very clear that I had been criminally framed, and it
was very important to me that, at last, I was publically
able to proclaim my innocence and not worry about the --
what anybody would sa , and that I.no longer -- I always
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felt that I had to hide the fact that I had been arrested.
And if I would meet someone and if they had any political
ambitions, I wouldn't tell him why, but I would quickly
stop seeing him for his sake. So, it was something that
I was hiding, and it was affecting my life in various
ways.
,We found one document that, apparently, indicated
that they were considering the use of the Mafia on me,
but that they decided instead to criminally frame me, so
that Scientology would not look bad. we found a document
that we found a number of documents that proved that
this fellow who had been helping me, I thought, during
the period that I was, oh, having such a bad time -- he
was calling a diary into Scientology as to what I was
doing, how close I was to suicide, and, you know, cheering
me on, like, you know: "She can't sleep again, that she's
talking suicide.. Wouldn't this be great for Scientology?"
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It's very strange from reading the diary of somebody that
you think is a friend and is wishing you dead and working
in your behalf towards that direction.
Incidentally, this particular fellow, who's name was
Jerry Levin -- they changed his name to Don Alberto, and
he became one of the biggest dirty tricks operatives down
in Clearwater. He also was the person that was sent to
Washington and planted the bug in the IRS.
We saw a document called Operation Freakout, which
Mr. Flynn started to show you before. Remember, 1 men-
tioned these very bizarre phone calls, people posing as
me? We think that they were trying to test my voice
because, part of Operation Freakout -- Operation Freakout
consisted of six different ways to try to get me jailed
again, since the charges had been dropped. one of the
ways was to p-all in bomb threats in a voice that would
sound like mine; another was to write bomb threats very
similar to the original ones but pasted on Writers' Digest
stationery, so that they would come to the conclusion
that -- so that the FBI would come to the conclusion that
this must have been done by a writer.
Operation Freakout consisted of plans to have some-
body pose as me -- find out what I was-wearing, have some-
one dress like me, look like me, and they would crack up
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publically and they would try to get me arrested for that
person threatening to bomb various places.
The other document that I saw was that a number
of these lawsuits against me were being maliciously
created. For example, they were bringing my book, The
Scandal of Scientology, into countries where it had not
even been published and they were saying'-- you know,
so -- "brought the book in so we can sue."
The reason for those terrible calls that I had men-
tioned was that they had out my name up on walls through-~
out Manhattan and -- with my phone number, so t.hat people!
would give me these calls.
Operation Owl was in there. I don't know if I
mentioned that Operation Freakout originated in Clear-
water, even though the basis of the attack was against
a New York resident, namely, me.
Mr. Flynn showed you Operation Owl, which also
originated in Clearwater.
Oh, a copy of my diary the one that had been
mailed to me - was found in a file marked "National
Council of Churches." They had hidden a lot of their --
the stu!Ef that they shouldn't have had. And there were
also things that I didn't even know that they had gotten.
For example, my mother once complained to me that she
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couldn't figure out why for the last few years my father
kept being audited again and again, and nothing ever
turned up; he's an excrutiatingly honest person. And
there was an order to give an anonymous tip to the IRS
that my father was evading taxes, and I don't know if
that was the cause of it. But I'm saying that it was
this type of thing.
I also learned from the documents that they were
suing me for things that were true. For example, they
repeated-ly sued me for saving that Charles Manson was a
Scientologist, and there were fifty to a hundred docu-
ments showing how they were trying to hide the fact that
Charles Manson-had studied.Scientology.
There were surveillance reports. I think I had
mentioned that I'd been followed at various times and
was pretty sure of it. It's kind of spooky sitting
there and reading, you know, "She turned up Aken Street,
walked for five minutes there, stopped in the candy
store."
And there were reports that my friends were being
harassed. There was a notation to cause trouble with
this gentleman that I mentioned. There were spies'
reports and taped transcripts of'telephone conversations
that I had had with people.
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The -- I think I spoke to 60 Minutes when I was
down here in Clearwater last, and I said then that I had
been saying that these types of things had been going on
and people kept saying,-"Well, what is she talking about?
This is a church." And it was incredible vindication to
look at these documents and see that everything I had
said about Scientology since 1968 was true, and that they
had turned out to be worse than anything I had said or
even imagined.
. Now, Scientology, at that time, had said that they
had changed. And I know because Gabe -- ',Iayor Cazares
mailed me the same things from-the Clearwater Sun, and I
read what they told you.
While they were saying that, they had learned where
I was in Washington, D.C., at the Washington Hilton, and
planted a bug by my bed there and, also, a bug on the
telephone, during this period of time while they were
making these statements in Clearwater about how they had
changed.
And I do not believe that they have changed, and
that -- this is one of the reasonsi or the main reason,
why I wanted to come here and warn you, because I have
.been studying this for many years. And I have heard them
say that they have changed and, gee, they don't they
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may be issuing that kind of statement after this is over;
"Well, you know, there were some things that were said,
but, you know, we don't do that anymore" kind of thing.
And I've heard before - even before I started
researching Scientology - they were saying this. For
example, in 1965, there was something called the Austral-
ian Inquiry, a Commission to look into Scientology. Any-
way, after studying Scientology, the Commission came to
the conclusion that Scientology quote: "Scientology
4S evil, its techniques evil. practice is a serious
zhreat medically, morally, and socialiy. its adherence
often establishes it with the mentally-ill." And at that
time Scientology issued a statement that, of course, they
had changed.
in 1968, 1 believe, with the Foster Report, when
the English held an inquiry to look into Scientology, and
Scientology issued a statement that Fair Game had been
cancelled, that the Disconnect Policy had been cancelled,
and that everything had changed.
In 1975, they had World Prayer Day, and the press
all believed at that time that they had changed. In
December of 1976, when I settled with them, I believed
they had changed. In 1977, when the FBI raided them, they
said that they had changed. In '79, when statements came
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out about what was in the documents, and in 1980, again,
they were telling people that they had changed.
And my final point is that I believe that they
haven't changed.. I believe that their basic policy,
ever since the policy was first written, has been the
Fair Game Policy. The policy is to trick people; the
policy is to sue people; the policy is to lie to people
and to destroy them. And Icertainly know from a per-
sonal standpoint.
A nd I've only briefly told you some of t4h,e things
that they've done to me, so t1hat you're not dece-J,.-ed by
their true nature. I'~,-e been study4ng'them for fourteen
years and, unfortunately, I've been a victim of this
cult for fourteen years. And I believe tha t Scientology
has never changed, will never change, and will keep
issuing statements to people saying that they've changed.
MR. LeCHER: Thank you for your
MR. FLYNN: If I could just make one point of
information for the Commission that I believe is sig-
nificant: The most relevant portion of Miss Cooper's
testimony is the fact that for years she suffered from.
harassm1ent and framing, which was -- has been proved
by some of the documents already in evidence, to which
she's testified, and the documents that we put in-evidence
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before this Commission.
The final area for this Commission to examine is
that of deception on all of the items that I mentioned
earlier: deception of confidential auditing information,
Mr. Hubbard's background, the goals, policies, purposes,
and practices of the organization to the thousands of
people that are coming here to Clearwater and paying
millions of dollars.
Miss CooDer's evidence viv-4dl7 describes the policy
of the Church to util'Lze the "Fair Game Policy, of which
mo s C h ur c1- 7, -rib e r s w',-, o a r e-- ~p a n g ions o-- dol.
i lars
do not know. And that policy has been described, ~.rom
1968, in her testimony right up to the present time.
And the Commission will be able to derive whatever
inferences are appropriate from her testimony with regard
to the practice and deception regarding the goals and
purposes and operations of the Church of Scientology in
this city.
MR. LeCHER: I'd like to say: Thank you for your
story and thank you for the evidence that relates
specifically to Clearwater.
I have at various times talked to members of the
Church of Scientology who have told me that they've
changed, too, as recently as Hebert Jentz a few months
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ago, who said. that they had changed.
And I thank you for telling us your story. I
don't -- every story today seems to get more incredible
as the-people come on.
And I don't know how you could survive what you
have survived, and I think that you must be one hell of
a woman.
I -- I really have no questions. I don't know 1,cw you
even -- you can trust anybody anymore: a man that you
might meet that he is one of them and trying to get you
again. That must prey on your mind. And what with
even with just day-to-day contact with business associ-
ates and females and family members.
So, I don't want to put you through any more of
your story. You've relived it, an aberration for these
many years.__
And I will then refer to my colleagues, and I
hope-that they will also be sensitive to that fact and
also be brief.
Who do I start with?
MR. BERFIELD: I have -- I have just one question,
and it's not so related to what happened to you there.
But you said you've spent fifteen years in studying
Scientology?
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MS. COOPER: Wellf I started researching in 1968;
it's fourteen years.
MR. BERFIELD: In this'study.--
MS. COOPER: Yeah.
MR. BERFIELD: without any reference to
religion
MS. COOPER: Mm-mm.
MR. BERFIELD: -- and going back, have you found
out where they picked vp these deceptive ideas from or
whose -- were they L. Ron Hubbard's or did he get them
Z
~_rom somebody else or what?
MS. COOPER: Well, when I researched the book, I
went through a tremendous number of early policy 'Letters
by Hubbard, things that he wrote about in the early
19501s, even when it was Dianetics. And the fraud was
just started way back; Hubbard excelled in it. He was con-
stantly lying to his people. You find that, you know,
that one thing just totally negated another. And I think
the deception and the lies all stem from Mr. Hubbard.
MR. BERFIELD: Thank you.
MR. LeCHER: Okay.
Does anyone have any questions?
Thank you very much.
MR. FLYNN: At this point I'd like to show on the
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easel a document ---! all right. We'll put.in'to evidence
the outline of the organization. And if Mr. Walters
could come forward - he-'s still under oath - to simply
explain-to the Commission what the outline of the organ,i-
zation is and precisely where, at this point, for
instance, Mitchell Hermann would fit in with regard to
Flag.
MR.. LeCHER: What is that chart, again, that you
have, Mr. Flynn or Mr. Walters? What are you showing us?
EDWARD WALTERS, a_witness herein,
having previously been duly sworn by a Clerk for the
City of Clearwater,'was examined and testified as follows:
MR. WALTERS: Right here is the organization, the
top of the-organization for the Guardian's Office.
MR. LeCHER: Why don't you go over it with your
pointer.
MR. WALTERS: All right.
It starts at the top with L. Ron Hubbard; he's
listed as Commodore and Founder. Below him is the CSGs,
Commodore' s Staff Guardians, CF 6, there are seven divi-
sions: that's Mary Sue Hubbard, by the way.
Now, I'll go down this way, first. Right below
her is Guardian Worldwide, which is England, Jane Kember.
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She has been the Guardian for -- since the inception.
It's a lifetime appointment, which is interesting, becaus
she just got sentenced and she's in jail.
MR. CALDERBANK: Do they still have these posts?
MR. WALTERS: Yes, they do. And your headquarters
now is in Clearwater.
MR. CALDERBANK: So, convicted felons are serving
on an administrative hierarchy chart?
MR. WALTERS: No. These eleven that got indicted
MR. CALDERBANK: Convicted?
MR. WALTERS: -- convicted were in Scientology until
they were put in jail. People who have been trained by
them have replaced them and are here in Clearwater.
All right. Below Jane Kember is your divisions
for Worldwide Divisions. Information, which is really
intelliqence,-.is Mo Budlong. He's the name you saw in
a lot of those documents. Anything done in Clearwater -
and you'll see correspondence, the FBI has it, I've seen
it - is in correspondence between Mo Budlong and Clear-
water concerning operations.
David Gaiman, Legal, just what it says; Finance is
Herbie P arkhouse. This man here probably knows more about
the financial structure of Scientology. You will not see
him on the RPF.
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Now -- it should be David Gaiman; is says Sheila
Gaiman. Social Coordination is David Gaiman's wife.
David was -- oh, you've got David over here for PR. David
handled all Public Relations Worldwide, and his wife
handled the Social Coordinations.
And these divisions, by the way, are the same
throughout the world, throughout the United States. For
example, in Las Vegas,, information was Chuck Reese; I told
you about it. Oh, okay.
But I just want to make a point
MR. FLYNN: Kevin, put that back up.
MR. WALTERS: -- that this organization you see
here is the same everywhere; the structure is exactly
the same:. L. Ron Hubbard's here, Mary Sue, it goes down.
And then in your orgs. you have the exact same positions.
So-, to famil-iarize you with Clearwater, so you can under-
stand your Clearwater operation, in Clearwater, you will
have a Director of information, you'll have a Director of
PR, which, I believe, is -- no, I think he's out.
MR. CALDERBANK: Will you give us also --
MR. LeCHER: I heard he's doing missionary work.
MA. WALTERS: Yes.
I'll tell you who's here~
MR. FLYNN: I think it's
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MR. WALTERS: Wilhere.
MR. FLYNN: -- Wilhere.
MR. WALTERS: Yeah, Wilhere.
MR. CALDERBANK: Okay.
Will you connect those people with testimony that
we've had before, such as Director of Information -- he
was the person
MR. WALTERS: All right.
Director of Information is involl,,ed in all the
codif"ied and overt intelligence oce--ations for collecti-a!
information on enemies of the Church. So, in Clearwat--_~_-,
I would say, and I say it under oath, that the Director
of Information in Clearwater has the files on all of
you people.
The Director of Public Relations is here in Clear-
water; you have a Legal Bureau here in Clearwater; you
have Finance here in Clearwdter; you'll also have Social
Coordination: that directs WISE, Narcanon, et cetera.
They will not tell you it's run by the Guardian's Office,
but I'll guarantee you it is.
All right. Going back to the Worldwide organiza-
tion, below them you have your Deputy Guardians. Deputy
Guardian in the US, that was in Los Angeles; it was
Henning Heldt. He was indicted and is in jail at the
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moment. Below him was Duke Snider; he was his assistant.
Then, again, you have Information/Intelligence
MR. LeCHER: Not the baseball player?
MR. WALTERS: No, no, no, no. This is.another
Duke Snider.
Information in the United States; then you have PR
for'the United States,.which was Artie Maren, who, when
I was in, used to be sent here to handle quite a f ew
things. Legal, Mary Rezzonico; Finance Mary Heldt, which
is-the wife of Henning Heldt.
You'll notice that it's a very close-knit organiza-
tion.
Director of Social Coordination is a good friend
of mine, Laurie Zurin, who, I will say - it should get
her in a lot of trouble - she's going to be out and
appearing some day.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr. Walters
MR.. WALTERS: She's a good girl.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr- Walters --
MR. WALTERS: Yes.
MR. SHOEMAKER:. -- the -- just for clarification,
now, the top.row that you went through there, which was
the Worldwide
MR. WALTERS: . Right.
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MR. SHOEMAKER: -- Guardian's --
MR. WALTERS: That's in England.
MR. SHOEMAKER: -- Office, that's in Clearwater?
MR. WALTERS: No. That -- this -- the one I'm
showing you is England.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Is in England.
MR. WALTERS: In England.
The Worldwide is officially at East Grinstead,
England.*
MR. SHOEMAKER: Okay.
Now
MR. WALTERS: But here's the thing: You see,this
man up here runs the operation.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Right.
MR. WALTERS: All right.
An intelligence agent can't do anything unless it
runs through the thing to L. Ron Hubbard. So, the real
base of operations is where he is, and the connection to
him is through Clearwater.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Now, that's located in England.
Now, the United States section that you just went
through, is that still in Los Angeles now?
MR. WALTERS: Information is in Los Angeles; US is
still -- Artie's in Los Angeles; Mary's in Los Angeles;
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Heldt is in Los Angeles; Laurie Zurin is still in Los
Angeles.
But that's that is an organization point of view;
the operations are still run out of Clearwater --
MR. SHOEMAKER: Right.
MR. WALTERS: -- as the senior Flag of all of them.
As you know, the guy up here -- these,people are
all in England, the United States. This man cannot be
found. So, there are operatives that work through him
wherever he is is where they run. And my best know-
ledge is that the operation is from Clearwater directly
to him, because I can give you a bit of information -- is
it okay to say it?
MR. FLYNN: You're -- yeah, you're under oath.
MR. WALTERS: All right.
I don't know -- they have just --.this is what I
hear from insiders. Insiders tell me Mr. Hubbard is very
harsh.when things do not go right. Apparently, the
Guardian's Office was supposed to stop you'people from
this trial -- these hearings. They did not stop you. A
lot of them have just been sacked. He has brought in his
young crew of CMO, Commodore Messengers Org. These are
all the young kids that have been trained by him since
they're thirteen years old. They are now going to put
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Ethics in on Clearwater.
MR. BERFIELD: Question: is this the same group
that one.of the witnesses the other day' referred to as
almost in terms of the Gestapo?.
MR. WALTERS: That's right.
These young kids are starey-eyed, devoted to
Hubbard, and.mayors and people like you will not scare
th em.
MR. CALDERBANK: Another witness already mentioned
that these CM0 people have had so little contact with
the outside world, they don't recognize governmental
agencies or polic-'Les or laws.
And these people, according to hearsay, now are
in charge of the entire operation. Can you comment to
that?
MR. WALTERS: Yeah.
I know some of them; they started on the ship.
They've had no outside schooling at all. They know these
policies inside out; they can quote them verbatim. They've
been trained by Hubbard. They are tough little cookies,
I'll tell you.
MR. LeCHER: What does Ethics mean on Clearwater?
MR. WALTERS: Ethics means that, apparently, there
are attacks -- they look at this open hearing as an
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open attack, and Ethics will be to come and clean this
UP.
MR. LeCHER: Explain this a little better,."clean
this up."
MR. WALTERS: Well, that means that I'll tell
you exactly what
MR. LeCHER: What will happen?
MR, WALTERS: All right.
This is what'll happen: This division over here
will go through all the files that they have, covert and
overt on you, and find out what they can use. This
division will start a campaign written up to make it look
like a beautiful church. This division will sue all of
you individually, collectively, and probably the City of
Clearwater.
MR. LeCHER:- They've done that already.
MRS. GARVEY: They've already done that.
MR. WALTERS: They have?
MRS. GARVEY: Yes.
MR. WALTERS: The Finance Bureau will have to do
whatever they can to make sure the records are safe.
The Social Coordination Bureau will have to set up things
that show that Narcanon, et cetera, are not part of
Scientology.
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MR. CALDERBANK: You mean, Sammy the Seagull, Gerus
Society, Narcanon will be on call to help the publicity
throughout Clearwater?
MR. WALTERS: Yes.
MR. CALDERBANK: The PR will
MR. WALTERS: It will be a massive campaign set
here.
MR. CALDERBANK: It's in operation
MR. WALTERS: Oh, it's in operation already?
Now, if you want to know what -- I know that some
of this stuff sounds like I'm -Lrying-to make up-things,
you know.
Here is an actual document marked "Secret," con-
cerning Clearwater. It's an operation done by Deputy
Deputy Deputy Guardian US. It says here that "Duke"
Duke Snider,-you saw his name on the other board - "you
asked for a chart for enemy lines used up to this point
for,Clearwater attack after research of the files was
done." This is the files they have on you people.
"Attach this chart;' it looks complete to me. From
this, I see the areas of priority to infiltrate are" --
MRS. GARVEY: The Saint Petersburg Times.
MR. WALTERS: -- "Saint Petersburg Times, Mayor" --
MR. CALDERBANK: 'Gabe Cazares.
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MR. WALTERS: -- "Channel 13 TV, Bruce Snyder" --
is there a Snyder here?
MRS., GARVEY:. He's a radio --
MR. LeCHER:' He's a radio personality.
MR. WALTERS: Has he been handled? Is he still
around?
MRS. GARVEY: No.
MR. WALTERS: "Florida Attorney General's Office,
Florida State'Attorney General Russell.
"As things have been quite hectic with the first
few days, I wanted to send you this to go over. Any
change or additions you want to add would be okay."
I would suggest they've probably added quite a few
now.
MR. FLYNN: For the record, that this exhibit on
the easel is_part of one of the hundreds of documents in
an exhibit which will be entitled "Scientology Operations
in Clearwater," of which we have made a copy for each of
the Commissioners.. And that's just one of the documents.
That's not Operation Normandy to which I referred.
That's just a piece of correspondence about a particular
operation. Operation Normandy, which you'll see right at
the front of your exhibit, lays out all the areas of
infiltration.
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. . This particular -- at this particular time and.date,.
they put that down as a priority.
MRS. GARVEY:. This is dated 1976.
MR. FLYNN: That's correct.
MR. BERFIELD: I have one more question
MR. WALTERS: Yes, sir.
MR. BERFIELD:. -.-- it'll be a loaded one..
In your opinion, if this new guard comes in, how
woul.d you define them?
MR. WALTERS: As young, tough, highly trained,
elite, totallv dedicated to Scientology.
MR. BERFIELD: Rational?
MR. WALTERS: Well, not not rational or sane
in our sense. But do not underestimate their cleverness
and dedication to duty.
MR. CALDERBANK: Mr. Walters, we've heard evidence
that shows that policy is still being adhered to.
Is that what leads you to believe that this type of
thing is happening in the city today?
MR. WALTERS: Oh, yes.
You see, one of the key words for me And a tech
person is "prediction." See, the Guardian's Office gives
prediction to an area. You must know what your enemy is
going to do. By keeping files on you people and on the
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city, they can predict what you're going to do. In fact,
the whole Guardian' s Office Information is -- that's
their goal; it's called pred . iction.
And if you fellows ever do, anything that they did
not expect, that Hubbard gets surprised at, then, most
of the fellows here get their heads slapped.
MR. LeCHER: Are you saying that local government
is in danger?
MR. WALTERS: To Scientology? Of course it is.
MR. LeCHER: Because -- yeah
MR. WALTERS: Yes.
MR. LeCHER: -- we are in danger?
MR. WALTERS: Yes.
MR. LeCHER: To whatever the young and elite may do?
MR. WALTERS: I would not be surprised if you have
some new secretaries coming in looking for jobs or have
had in the past.. Because Hubbard is not fooling around.
MR. LeCHER: Okay-
MR. FLYNN: Why don't you just describe what
where Hermann's position is. Where is it?
MR. WALTERS: Oh, okay.
All right, Mitch Hermann here -- you're familiar
with him; he's had a lot to do with Clearwater things.
He's in the Guardian's Office, handling the Southeastern
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Section. I see there's an assistant --
MRS. GARVEY: That's Mike Cooper that --
MR. WALTERS: Yeah.
Anyway, this shows he's directly on the Intelli-
gence/Information line, and he's well known. I mean,
there's no doubt who he is to anybody that's in Scien-
tology.
MR. LeCHER: Okay.
We have another witness. Ladies and gentlemen,
we have two more witnesses.
MR. FLYINN: What I think I'll do at this time
I don't know what the Commission -- how late the Commis-
sion intends to go.
There are some documents that I think need to be
shown in order to put some of the issues of -- or one of
the issues in-perspective, which kind of translates into
a lot of the other issues in front of the Commission.
It's particularly important because of the fact that there
are auditing files of thousands of individuals sitting
over in the Fort Harrison. All of the people that came
here to this city thought that they would be confidential,
and, as you know, one of the fundamental issues before
the Commission is that one particular consideraCtion.
So, I'm going to put into evidence*at this point
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some of the -- just a few of the documents that were
seized,by the FBI with regard to auditing information.
And I again caution you that this is simply a sampling.
Very. quickly this is a project that the entire
exhibit will show regarding -- Mary Sue Hubbard, regard-
ing the using of the files. as operating targets: "To
make use of all.files in the organization to effect a
major target. These include the personnel files, Ethics
files, dead files, central files, training files, pro-
cessing files, requests for refunds."
It's simply one of their programs with regard to
one of the files to give you an idea of the program.
This is -- you'll note the date 27 September 176;
this pertains to one individual who they were checking
out for whatever reason.
"Donna-Is auditing files start in July 1963 at
Saint Hill, United Kingdom, where she was on the" -- some
type of briefing course, Mr. Walters would know. "She
was being run on GR 6 processing at that time. During
this auditing, she worked with rock slam" --RS means
rock slam, which, basically, means to substantially fail
a security check, where the needle on the Meter slams
against the side, which means you've got a very serious
withhold or a very serious condition that has to be looked
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into - "on Jane Kember, LRH, Herbie Parkhouse, and Fred
Hare." What that means is she was asked questions and
security checked about Kember, Hubbard, Parkhouse, and
Hare. And it immediately became very significant because
she rock slammed on that particular part of the security
check.
Donna has been in Scientology since at least 1952;
she attended the Doctor's course in Philadelphia.at that
time.' While at the PDC, she was promiscuous; she slept
with four or five men during the course, two of them on
the org. premises. She has quite a record of promiscuity
in these early years. With three male-PCs, she let them
touch her genitals during sessions because they got into
sexingness. She has masturbated regularly since she was
eight years old. Mentions doing it with coffee grounds,
doesn't say how, and once had a puppy lick her."
As you can see, the whole thing goes through. And
it's just to give you an indication of the type of infor-
mation that's being used and
MR. GREENE: Read number three, Mike.
MR. FLYNN: And in three, you'll see an "Enemy
Formula Writeup" done at ASHO, that's th-e American Saint
Hill Organization. "She mentions leaving her husband,
Mo, in May 1952, but she does not give his last name.
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There is no mention of it in our files. She was also
married to Bill Fisk, who was shot while she was on
the" - that briefing course - "at Saint Hill. Bill had
been sleeping with Phoebe Hjelm and Helaine Grimes, now
Simmons, before he got shot for sleeping with a student
at Seattle Org- Donna had agreed that he could sleep
around while she was away. Donna denied him sex even
when she was with him and would masturbate to satisfy
herself."
Yeah, there's~ another indication there that they
were also using the Ethics files. And you'll note the
date, 27th September '76, when the Church was in this
city and Mr. -- Mayor Cazares,was trying to find out who
they were.
There is a succession of these documents; there are
hundreds of them. That's an example. We'll put a num-
ber of them into evidence, but it will give you an idea.
MRS. GARVEY: is it all the same flavor in all of
them?
MR. FLYNN: They're all basically the same flavor;
some have crimes, some have sex, some have drugs, some
involve' specific operations to blackmail: how they're
going to do it, extort, some of them are against news
people, some of them are against news reporters who tried
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to conduct investigations that worked where the news
reporters dropped their investigations; the Scientology
investigations disclosed extramarital affairs, whatever.
MR. LeCHER: All right.
You have told that they may you or Mr. Walters.
wonder about the newsmen tha'6" are 'covering this event.
Do you think they should take special care them-
selves?
MR. FLYNN: I would say.that, you know, L--hey're on,
as Mr. Walte-rs would describe, they'--e on the PR end, and,
7_.-.ey've Just been getting hil"-- with heavy PR day in and
J
day out. Probably, for the last three or four.months,
every other hour, someone has been going down to the
Clearwater Sun and the Saint Pete Times, Clearwater
Station, and just hitting the reporters constantly with
PR. They sezvt out that booklet in Clearwater, "The Way
to Happiness," you know, the
MRS. GARVEY: He meant from the other side, the
harassment side.
MR. LeCHER: I mean harassment.
We may all be able to indicate a few things that
we suspect, but I wonder about the reporters, they may
have to be on their guard, too.
MR.-FLYNN: It depends whether they're cooperating
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or no t.
MR. CALDERBANK: Dianetics
MR. FLYNN: If they still pose a threat,. then, they
would.,go, as Mr. Walters and as many witnesses have
testified, they go to the next level of operation. If
they still pose a threat, they go to the next level of
operation.
MR. CALDERBANK: Mr. Flynn, how would you charac-
terize, say Austin, Texas was mentioned by Mr. Mayer.
And there is an article in one of the newspapers today
about Austin, Texas having a -- what is it
MR. FLYNN: Proclamation.
MR- CALDERBANK: -- Proclamation, proclaiming how
great Dianetics was. Now, this appeared in the paper.
Is this an example of reporters and the heavy PR
that they are,fed day in and day out? How can something
like that occur?
MR. FLYNN: You can draw your own inferences from
the evidence based on policy. The -- it.significantly
appeared next to the'Clearwater -- the article about
Scientology in today's paper. You can draw your own
significant -- your own inferences from the evidence that
you've heard to this point.
MR. LeCHER: I believe I owe their mayor a letter.
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MR. FLYNN: Jack Clark, please.
I say Jack Clark because I've come to know him;
it's Dr. John Clark, and he's one of the -- well, I won't
state his credentials.
MR. LeCHER: Dr. Clark, will you be sworn in,
please.
JOHN G. CLARK, M.D. , a witness herein,
having first been duly sworn by a Clerk for the Citv of
Clearwater, was examined and testified as follows:
MR. LeCHER: i must also ask --cu the same *f
standard questions, sir.
Are you appearing here today and testifying under
oath voluntarily?
DR. CLARK: Yes. Yes, I am.
MR. LeCHER: Have you been paid by anyone for your
testimony, other than expenses for coming to Clearwater?
DR. CLARK: No.
MR. LeCHER: Do you have a lawsuit against the
Church of Scientology?
DR. CLARK: No.
MR. LeCHER: Do they have a lawsuit against you?
DR. CLARK: Yes.
MR. LeCHER: They do.
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Has anyone suggested to you that you should state
anything but the truth or has anyone suggested that you
change your testimony for any reason?
DR. CLARK: No.
MR. LeCHER: Thank you.
Mr. Flynn, do you-want to present your witness?
or Dr. Clark -- how you would like to proceed.
MR. FLYNN: The purpose of this testimony is
basically in the line of expert testimony, because there
are mental health conditions involved in this city.*
There are mental health issues that have been presented
bef ore the Board.
In addition to that, there's a level of harassment..
which goes to some of the policy considerations I men-
tioned earlier, that Dr. Clark has been subjected to. But
his basic testimony is of an expert nature with regard
to some of these mental health issues.
MR. LeCHER: Since you are an expert witness, state
your qualifications.
DR. CLARK: My name is John G. Clark, Jr., M_.D. I
have been an M.D. from 1953, at the time that I graduated
from Harvard Medical School. I have been trained in
psychiatry in the Boston area in the Massachusetts
General Hospital and McLean Hospital in Belmont,
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Massachusetts, also a part of the Massachusetts General
Hospital. I have worked on the staff - I want to say on
staff - on the staffs of these two hospitals, as well as
another organization in the same area. I am now in
private practice since 1973.
My work has been very, very wide, mostl~ clinical
and having to do with people from adolescence on up, as
well as community work in various places around the Boston,
area.
nterest in Scientology came along at
-.Y the same
time as may interest in rapid conversions and the pro-
cesses that led up to those conversions. This is not a
well-known area in the psychiatric world.
MR. LeCHER: Explain "rapid conversions."
DR. CLARK: Rapid conversion tends to be a massive
change of per-sonality, of belief systems over a very short
time, brought about by usually deceptive practices of
the-people who want to get these people. There are also
very many other kinds of conversions which are expected,
useful, sometimes related to real illness, such as tem-
poral lobe epilepsy, for instance. It's a very, very
interesting area.
I showed my interest two years after I began to do
some studying. I studied as a result of being asked by a
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fellow physician for help; he had problems with his son,
who was a disturbed young man, who had gotten himself
involved in the Hare Krishna doctrine cult. Two
years laterf approximately, I had begun to believe these
astounding things that I was hearing about and actually
seeing. It was very hard to believe. In other words, I
did not go into this study clearly knowing what I wanted
to-hear.
I then spoke - gave testimony - to the Special
a group, the Special Committee of the Senate of the
Vermont Legislature in '76. And from that time the pan
has been in the fire because I did mention, among a few
other people, the Church of Scientology. I found out
much later, just very recently, that they had been
worried about me before I even got to that particular
place to sp~k my words.
From that point on there has been an unrelenting
kind-of harassment, whatever they wish to try to do to
me to try to get me out of this business. They seem to
be very, very frightened of somebody legitimate, as a
Harvard professor, who could possibly talk in a negative
way about their group.
I might say in this regard that I am not interested
in religion itself; I'm interested.in the behavior of.
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groups and the relationship of those behaviors to what
I would consider to be harmful results, and especially
thr ough the process of conversion. And I will not have
time to give you the entire view of that.
I would like to first show you how hard it is for
any kind of a professional to look into this area. This
is very much like an anthropologist who decides that he
must go up to see the river in New Guinea in order to
look into the mating processes of the -- of some of the
natives uD there who are still eating one another to a
degree. Now, i don't mean to out down their culture;
their culture in some ways is just as valid as ours. But
the people who.come in from the outside are not necessari
ly going to be treated all that well. And it was my
interest of looking into the cultures of these groups to
find out what-had happened to the individuals who had
been taken into them and why had they changed so much
and why had they become so mean.
Now, if I can give you a brief listing of what has
happened: In my writing, I have put down some of the
attacks on me. In 177, the -- I got my first letter from
them, telling me that I had said the wrong things in the
Vermont legislative -- the hearing and I'd better stop it.
I got a series of calls, which I pretty much ignored.
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They, also,.quite simultaneously, wrote a whole series
of letters to the Deans at Harvard Medical School and
the head of the Massachusetts General Hospital.
In '78, three of my patients were investigated
enough so that their places of work and their places of
living were known to Scientologists, who then called them
and asked them about my behavior in'treating them. To.a
doctor, that is extremely bad business, just terrible.
Shortly after that, in about '78, 1 was called a
Communist because of their interest in my daughter and my
having gone to Russia to visit. And they put that into
some very interesting fiction which they had put together
from all of their investigations of my neighbors and
friends, which they then presented to the legislative
committee that was beg-inning-to look-into some matters of
other cults.
They also tried twice to keep me out of England by
sending a very strong protest to the proper authorities
in England, looking into the matters on Ron Hubbard.
In 1979, 1 and a number of others were picketed
by the Scientologists twice, once in Pennsylvania at a
meeting'we were having, talking about cults, and one at
the then IMH where we were having the only meeting on
the cults that the government has been able to put-
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together so f ar.
In 1978, they lodged a complaint to the Board of
Registration of Medicine. This is the Board that gives
us our right to practice medicine, and that's in Massa-
chusetts. This had to do with my behavior in court on a
case that had to do with the original family that brought
me into this, quote, business in the first place. That
particular problem with the Board of Registration
stretched on for a very long time.
By 1979, they were in Montreal. passing out f1yers
at the place where I was giving my 'Lectures at McGil-L.
This time thev were calling me a Nazi.
In 1980, they were sending an article to all kinds
of people very high up in my profession, purporting to be
something rather favorable to me, except that it was
about ECT, el-ectroshock treatment, and it had some
material in it that claimed to be direct.quotes from me
saying that deprogramming could be brought about by the
use of electroshock treatment. Fortunately, I have
friends who called me up and said, "What's this all
about?" But I'm still quite sure that some people think
that I'm advocating ECT.
They began to blow hard in various ways toward me
in their magazine or their Freedom paper. And we have one
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copy of the most recent ones, 178 to 181. They call me
a Nazi and one of the leaders of the ARM, as they call it
in their own internal'records, and that's the Anti-'
Religious Movement.
Severa.1 people approached my professor, one a
college student who was looking for information and just
happened to mention me in some way that was really quite
derogatory, a patient who tried to get into my office and
talk to me, somebody on one of the television shows from
the Citizens' Commission on Human Rights talked about my
use of drugs and ECT and my terrible attitude toward
these people.* Another -- in about 180, another student
wanted to study deprogramming, and it was quite clear,
when we checked up, that was certainly not what she was
interested in. It goes on and on and on.
In 1981, another complaint was lodged at the Board
of Registration, and in this attempt -- a second one was
also lodged, a third one now lodged against me, both of
them very, very clear -- one from a Scientologist and
the other one, again, purportedly from a Moonie; however,
it had all the earmarks of the Scientology capacity to
mischief.
By the way, all of these complaints have been dis-
missed. The first one was dismissed with a little bit of
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nastiness on the part of the Board, who could not -- which
could not understand what was going on. The last two,
which recently came to me, are clear, clear releases from
any obligation at all.
This past year from last July, there has been a
fire storm of attacks. There's almost something once or
twice every week coming. Because I haven't answered to
them, they can't do some of the things they did to
Paulette. But they did a few other interesting things,
such as picketing the Mass. General Hospital and passing
out some very interesting leaflets, offering a twentv-
'L~41.ve thousand doiiar-raward, for instance, for informa-
tion leading to my conviction. This was done several
months. They approached every newspaper, every TV out-
let
MR. CALDERBANK: They wanted
MR. LeCHER: They only offered four thousand nine
hundred fifty for ours.
DR. CLARK: Well, that's beginning to make me think
that I'm bigger than I really thought I was. I was
thinking, as I was listening to everybody here, "I'm a
pretty small' potato."
These are all -- it even goes on further. They also
informed me, in the midst of all of this, of the kangaroo
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court Ethics trial last fall, and they had guess you
could probably believe that they convicted me. They
offered me the possibility of some kind of release if I
would just admit that I was wrong. And so it goes on and
on and on.
And it's obvious that this organization does not
want to be criticized, and the.way of handling criticism
is the ad hominem attack, which is what we've been talk-
ing about all along. It is very, very unlikely that they
will really argue on the basis of the facts or of the
allegations against them. They will simply try to do
what they have done before, that is, to make life too
painful for anybody to go-on with this kind of attack,
which they are launching on me.
They consider me someone with some sort of animus
against--them,-of course, that they will try to prove in
these various cases against me. As a matter of fact,
they,make their own enemies, obsessively make their own
enemies. They try very hard not to let anybody know
that, but anybody who even begins to look into this and
speaks out at all is going to find that the enemy situa-
tion has once again arisen.
I would like now to talk a little bit about what
happens from a clinical view. I'm really not all that
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happy just to talk about my own predicament, the degra-
dations against me. I'm surviving'them and -- but I
think they are somehow illustrative of --
MRS. GARVEY: We know what we're going to have to
go through.
DR. CLARK: You might as well face up to it, you're
becoming heroes whether you like it or not. We'll talk
about suggestions for them maybe later.
What happens, and in ge, neral, what happens to the
people who go into Scientology? Why do they change so
much? How does it happen? What is there about the haman
mind that most of us do not want to know that does it
make it possible for one of our children, who has been
thoroughly healthy in every way, to be caught up in one
of the groups and, suddenly or over a few months, are
simply lost -to the parents and to the community?
The change in these people tends to be very, very
large'. The parents who have said to me that "My two
older kids got into drugs, sex, and they led me on a
merry chase. But I knew,that was just sort of added on,
applied to them.- And my younger daughter, who was the
nice one, behaving herself, went into the Divine Light
Mission. The change was integral." This is also
true of the changes of people who go into the Church of
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Scientology. In fact, in some ways it -- the changes are
even more.complete.
It's no.wonder, for instance, that they tend not
to like to have people in and amongst them whose parents
and family do not agree with their choice, if you want to
call it choice; they're PTSs, and often they do not allow
them to stay in. It's much easier to bring about these
changes and have it not noted - or them not note it - if
the ioarents-don't -- either don't give a damn or they
sort of like the quiet, controlled people that have now
stopped taking drugs and are very, very busy doing what
they're supposed to do.
But, in fact, the human mind is capable of an
enormous amount of change in a short time. It can, as I
said, happen from natural forces. it's quite commonly
seen in temporal lobe epilepsy, and sometimes - I should
also mention just for your imaginations to work on - that
the people with temporal lobe epilepsy are also charac-
terized by their absolute need to write, constantly
write: turn out poetry and they just write in a des-
criptive manner. I'm not suggesting that anybody we have
talked dbout might have this.
It's very. clear that at some point these people who
also go through various. kinds of conversions do have
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that those who go through conversions naturally do have
real changes in their brain structure. But you don't
have to have that. *You can be an ordinary kid who's just
going through a bad time, and that's why the late ado-
lescents are the best marketplace for cults, in general.
The process is quite fairly simple to bring them
in. First, get their attention, entice them into some-
place where they can then be bombarded with information;
it's a closed system where all the information is con-
trolled and where the seduction can be set.up. Over a
period of time - and it can be very short from minutes to
two weeks - the attention ot" the individuai is very care-
fully narrowed, just narrowed. These various processes that
are used in Scientology, for instance, are attention-
narrowing processes. It requires the individual to
attend to on-1-y the task for a very, very long time.
There is in this a great relationship to formal
hypnosis; in fact, exactly the same is just done to them.
And the object is to push the mind, the attention, to a
narrower and narrower state until something kind of
breaks. It's a system the mind is a system that is
highly flexible. But with any flexible . system, there is
a limit of elasticity. If you push it hard enough, you'll
crack, snap, whatever you want to call it. Any one of us,
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under certain circumstances of very high pressure, might
find themselves cracking one way or another.
Then, if the person who has brought about this
cracking, this changing, this snapping, this trance
state, can manage that state for a time, can manage it
and keep it under control - in other words, the person's
old mind has been taken down under this heavy pressure,
a kind of emergency - if they can keep it under control
long enough, the individual must then identify with those
people who are managing the whole system; they identify
with everything.' They begin to take in information:
the rules, the language, everything. It's like falling
in*love. it's the same process, except that it's managed
differently.
That's why this is so mundane in one respect:
There's nothing about this that is really, really spooky.
But if this management is done Just the right way by
very intense processes and by people who signal their
intent to control - which, again, applies to this
matter today - the individual, as I said, becomes almost
as all those other people. The only way,to survive, for
the mind to survive, is to become as much like the per-
sons who have begun to hold you as hostage as possible.
There has been a lot written about the Stockholm
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effect in hostage taking, where the people who are with
the hostage for a long time in a very ambiguous state,
not knowing whether or not they're going to be killed
or tortured or something -- they're -- these people some-
times fall in love with the person who has held them
hostage. Again, go back to the fact that most of this is
normal but it is manipulated.
It must be remembered that in almost all -- in fact,
ri--ally in all o-f those organizations which are most
dangerous, nobody is told in advance what is going to
_'-.aDoen. There is no argument about the virtues of the
organization - and iL--'s interesting - until After the
change of the mind or conversion. It's a snapping, it's
whatever you want, a leap into another world.
Now, this means that these people who have gone
that far are--now in a different state of mind, essential-
ly, a separate personality; it's a dual personality. The
first'personality is put on hold. Again, it sounds like
science fiction, but it can be done and it can be
replicated; it's been done in -- by hypnosis. And it has
to be managed by more and more and more processes, so
that the whole thing just sort of gels and people just
can't get out of it; they cannot get out of it.
.But it's made easier for them to stay in if they are
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kept with their own people, so they don't have a chance
to sort of talk -- talk it out with people completely
outside. And this is what happens.
Now, in this state, these various kinds of cults
become the most dangerous of all people, that is, they
take on as a mass the we/they psychology. That is, "We
exist and we're real; they" - they're all of you - "you
don't understand us." And because they're so focused and
cannot remember any of the tenderness of their earlier
times toward parents or friends or others, they are
extremely intolerant, extremely intolerant. They are
behavior paranoia in their simplicity of thinking and are
easily pushed -- well, they're totally pushed around-by
the leaders.
This means that within two weeks individuals who
have first come into the Moonies have signed checks for
a hundred and fifty thousand dollars to go to the Moonies.
You,see, it isn't just the Church of Scientology that can
get a lot of money out of people in a hurry.
The -- in these groups, almost in almost every
case - it's almost a real rule the people who run them
are living still; they're the living leaders who are
charismatic individuals who have found out how to manipu-
late other people's minds. It's very hard for most cults
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to continue to go on; probably, 99.9 percent of them
die within one generation for very good reasons, often
because the children don't go along with it.
They are in this state, the we/they state, entirely
non-charitable. They do not see others as valid; they're
not real. In the case of the Church of Scientology,
those who have gone far enough through their processing
cannot believe that it is imnortant to be-a human be4L-ng;
they're something else. And those of us who are human
beings are -- have no regard from them; our 'Li~.7es aari_~ of
no importance whatsoever. it's something 71e r h. ap s
you'll say that's getting into their religious be'Liefs,
but sometimes you have to know something about the nature
of belief in order to understand behavior, especially,
as egregious as that which we are talking about today.
Another factor in this is all too often the reason
that individuals come out in a really hurt state, and
that is, they reject all magic except their own. Now,
I'm saying that somewhat ironically. They think, for.
instance, that medicine is bad magic and, thus, the --
because they also reject the scientific view of know-
ledg-e, they are unable to understand the medicine, medi-
cal position on anything. Thus, too many of these
groups - and, again, I'm talking abo ut Scientology in
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particular - are not at all capable of approaching doc-
tors effectively, and they're often too late when they
do. They have a few captured physicians working with
them, and I say this with no prejudice to the to them,
that many, many chiropractors have been gotten in.
It is necessary in the case of all of these groups
that they isolate these people that they have just
brought in, the proselytes, - isolate them from their
families - because their families remind them too much
of the past, and they can sometimes break into the mind
control state.
And one other little thing, just I'll just men-
tion the TRs and the bull baiting, which are seen as
by me, as managing the focusing of the mind. There are
many, many ways of doing that.. I think that the par-
ticular way4_the Church of Scientology does this can be
extraordinarily damaging over the long run and over the
short run.
These are exercises involving two people across
the table with the E-Meter in the middle, with the face
of the E-Meter to the auditor. And, thus, certain kinds
of processes -- questions are asked over and over again
in such a way that it is impossible for'the individual
to answer them really quite right, depending a little bit
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on what the auditor wants to.get from these persons.
Well, this is also eye-to-eye contact. The individual
who is brought in must pay absolute attention to the
auditor or will have to flunk and go back to the beginning
of the rather painful processes. And by the time the
individual gets through with this -- thEmind is already
controlled. And by the time they go through the first
auditing courses successfully, they are entirely under
control of the auditor himself and will take almost an'
y
order from that person.
One of the more heavy auditing processes that I
have heard of is t-he one of sitting knee-to-knee for
about eight hours, looking at one another, and-saying
nothing and not blinking or answering some absurd ques-
tion over and over and over and over and over, perhaps,
/sometimes with bull baiting, which means they'll have to
answer these questions correctly no matter what else is
going on in the room, whether or not there are personal
touches, some kind of laughing, some kind of nasty state-
ments, sexual approaches. The person being audited
cannot even begin to show any movement on the E-Meter
or any in the face; it must absolutely be flat. In
other words, that person must not respond emotionally to
anything.
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This kind of treatment of the individual,-to.cut
out any response to, for instance, conscience or the
outrageous processes that are going on, simply empties
them of this capacity to act really in a human way.
Now, for a while it feels fine. But often these
people have'gone through an enormous amount of pain to
get to the point where they think they're beginning to
be happier. And, in fact, very few of them are happy;
they're just reaching for that which they have been
promised but never comes.
There is much to say about the Church of Scien-
-~-07~:g7r that may not sound exactly scientific, but it is,
nonetheless, sort of conclusional. One is that what
they do is, in general, very hurting, often to the detri-
ment of the mind. A number of people have come out of
Scientology with no minds at all, no flow of conscious-
ness. It has taken years to reinstate the mind. And all
they remember as they come out is hurt, hurt, hurt.
Almost every one of these processes, unless you happen
to be a celebrity, is extremely painful.
If you are doing the wrong thing, just like the
child yqu are subjected to punishments'. Many of these
things we've talked,about today are very much like a
punishment to a bad child, except it goes so much further.
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But here, when the mind begins to fail and is entirely
held up by the processes and by-the orders of an organi-
zation like this, if something goes wrong within that
system - that is, that the biological self, which cannot
always be kept completely programmed, or the system
itself, which has its own glitches - the individual maybe
suddenly put out on a ledge, as it were, with nothing
holding -- nothing to hold on: the mind emptied or any
natural flow of consciousness, of memories of the past,
of an adequate control of the English language. Yes,
they almost never seem to be able to put a document
together that is in decent English language. And these
individuals either must go flat out mad or - in several
case's we've heard about, probably many cases that have
been lost - in suicide.
Fortunately, for a lot of people who have come out by
themselves, after a while - as with the other cults
their minds will reassemble themselves over a period of
time, at least a year is necessary. The first year or
so may be one of great p ain, much anxiety for all of the
rest of the family, and it gets even worse when they
realize how much of the world they have lost, how much
of a chance.for a happy life they have left behind.
Thank you.
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MR. LeCHER: Thank you.
Is an E-Meter similar in controlling your emotions
to a bio-feedback machine?
DR. CLARK: Yes, it is. And it's -- it's a lie
detector, in effect.
one of the great achievements of the Church of
Scientology is that it seems to be able to teach people
how to beat the polygraph, and I have my reservations
about the worth of that. But'that's essentially what it
is.
It short circuits the certain kinds of mental pro-
cesses, if used by a very trained person, that is, that
they can appear to be a little magical about their under-
standing of what's going on in the person who is being
audited. They get that person's attention more and more
focused. It's very simple to do without the E-Meter,
as a matter of fact.
But almost all of us know that in hypnotism -- the
old-fashioned mesmerizers used to do this kind of thing
with some kind of device to center the mind on, and this- is
really what the E-Meter is all about.
MR. LeCHER: If those that are so committed, so
hooked, can somehow read the newspaper or watch these
hearings, do you think they'd have enough to be questioning
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their lifestyle and want to get out?
DR. CLARK: I somehow think the threat of the cult
conversion and the kind of dreadful things that happen
I 41__Jy
after are not as U-L-- to lure a victim as, for instance,
drugs, because they believe that they can handle drugs
over a shorter period of time.
However, drugs are not being handled by quite such
clever people as the cults. And the cults also have the
friendhsip of the Civil Liberties Union and some of the
leaders in the major denominations to sort of stand
behind ~-hem and stand aside of them, saying this is also
legitimaze raiigions of whatever kind.
In that sense, I.can't answer your question really
yes or no.
MR. FLYNN: If I may just interject one minute:
The city received a letter from Branch -- it was the
National Committee Against Repressive Legislation, which
was sent to Mr. Shoemaker, and it opposed these hearings.
There are -- there is at least one name, perhaps, two
names - but definitely one name of an individual attorney
on the 1~st of that National Committee Against Repressive
Legislation who defended Mary Sue Hubbard and other
defendants in the Washington criminal case. And upon
various items of information that we have received, the
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9 .
legal fees in connection with that defense were in the
range of four to six million dollars.
MRS. GARVEY: We're in the wrong business.
MR. BERFIELD: You better well believe it.
MR. LeCHER: What - al 1 right, I know we're getting
late but - what suggestions can you give us? What should
we do and what can we do as elected representatives of
a fair-sized city taken over by a large organization
that has much more, frankly, money than we have?
DR. CLARK: That's right.
I did not mention at the very beginning that I have
been facing two nuisance suits for conspiracy, and they
are nuisance suits. And, indeed, the nuisance suits will
be a part of the future.
it's up to us to rally our allies, the people who
believe in the open society, who can smell tyranny when
they hear about it. It's about time in this particular
period that we admit that we're, as a country, in a lot
oftrouble, and countries in a lot of trouble have always
had business with cults all through history. But, now,
it's time to stand up and say that "This isn't working."
Now, these are groups who do not like to deal with
the truth about them. They believe in what they're
doing, but they know that from another point of view what
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they're doing is impermissible. What we can ask of them
in meetings like this, when they have their time, is to
speak to the issues instead of attacking individuals -
which they will do, they'll attack individuals - so that
they can compete in the marketplace of ideas and beliefs,
and we'll let them compete all they wish. But we must
not forget we're talking about their behavior which is,
essentially, terrorist.
MR. LeCHER: I think that's very well put. What
you're saying is that -- do not attack individuals but
compete in the marketplace for ideas, and I think that's
very well put, and I appreciate it.
Do you want -- Commissioners, do you want any ques-
tions? I know it's getting late and --
MR. CALDERBANK: How would you guide us? This
Commission is-very concerned about the difference between
church and state and secular or religious.interest. How
would you guide us on -- you mentioned behavior. How
would you guide us? How would you give advice to this
Commission on how to proceed?
DR., CLARK: I face that right now. It evolved --
in this country, the behavior of religious organizations
is not somehow guarded by the First Amendment. There's
a lot of nonsense about that. This whole country is not
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set up in order that religions can do whatever they
wanted to do; we're really quite frightened of the word
11religion.11
On the contrary, the First Amendment has two sides:
It's there to protect us from religious zealotry and
fanaticism,-as much as the other way around. How many
of our first immigrants were running away, not from
government but from religious persecution by religions?
This is going to be the problem of the next genera-
tion of religious organizations and new org anizations of
minds and groups. Now, sometimes, they will not call them
religious organizations, but right now in this country,
because there's a First Amendment, it is useful to do so.
in the case of the Church of Scientology, you can
almost say that it is an ad hoc religion; it became a
religion because it realized that it was convenient to be
a religion.
MR. CALDERBANK: Do you feel your First Amendment
rights have been impeded by their actions?
DR. CLARK: Well, in
MR. CALDERBANK: Freedom of speech.
DR. CLARK: -- my case, I don't think they have.
I think they've blown it so far. They've just simply
made me more interested in what they're doing.
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.MR. CALDERBANK: Last question is: We've heard
belief and behavior, and we've had a lot of people say
their behavior is either criminal or fraudule4t.
How would,you characterize their behavior?
DR. CLARK: I think I would characterize this
organization by the definitions of the court of their
leaders: it's a criminal organization. And, certainly,
the behavior toward Paulette Cooper and to many others
is trulv criminal. Their willingness, their readiness
to do anything criminal in order to do what thev want
to d_- is characteris~Lic of their criminal mind.
2VIR. LeCHER: Thank you.
We have a -- Commissioners, I'd like to get to the
last witness. If you have something you must a.sk.Dr.
Clark, go ahead.
Thank you very much, sir. You have summed it up
very well.
we have one more witness that won't last too long,
but because of things beyond our control we're going to
take a five-minute break and come right back.
(Whereupon, a recess was taken.)
(Whereupon, the hearing resumed.)
MR. LeCHER: Am I on?
Ladies and gentlemen, take your seats, please.
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Gentlemen in the aisle, ladies and gentlemen, please take
your seats. We don't have much longer to go, but we do
want to conclude this evening.
Madam Clerk, will you swear the witness..
BROWN McKEE, a witness herein,
having first been duly sworn by a Clerk for the City'of
Clearwater, was examined and testified as follows:
MR. LeCHER: What is your name, sir?
MR. McKEE: Brown McKee.
MR. LeCHER: Brown McKee, okay.
I must ask you the same five standard questions.
Are you appearing here today to testify under oath
voluntarily?
MR. McKEE: Yes, I am.
MR. LeCHER: Have you been paid by anyone, except
expenses to come to Clearwater?
.MR. McKEE: No.
MR. LeCHER: Do you have a lawsuit against the
Church of Scientology?
MR. McKEE: No.
MR. LeCHER: Does the Church.of Scientology have a
lawsuit against. you?
MR. McKEE: No.
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MR. LeCHER: Has anyone suggested to you that you
should state anything but the truth or has anyone
suggested that you change your testimony for any reason?
MR. McKEE: No.
MR. LeCHER: Thank you.
Mr. Flynn, do you want to present your witness?
MR. FLYNN: Go ahead.
MR. McKEE: I've been a Scientologist for twenty-
four years; I'm what's called a field Scientologist. ilm
not a member of the Sea Orq., never have been. I ooerate
or did operate groups in Connecticut called missions,
which are autonomous Scientology groups. I left the
Church in January of this year.
This is the second forum that I've been to in
Clearwater recently. The first one being in December of
last year, where a group of field persons such as myself,
approximately fifty - we're all mission holders, we're
the executives of the field groups - got together and
demanded that officials of the Church and the Sea Org.
be present to hear our protests and our demands for
reform w I ithin the Church.
Now, this hearing went on for five days. And during
this time, it was probably one of the most emotionally
moving experiences I've ever had. I heard people give
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firsthand accounts of what they had experienced in Scien-
tology; these are people still in Scientology, by the way.
And I thought that some of my hardships were terrible,
but after hearing those I found I really got off quite
easy.
I heard a woman describe how her husband went to
Flag when it was on the ship because he had a heart con-
dition, and one of Hubbard's prescriptions for that is
vitamin E. And.he came back, and according to her des-
cription - I knew the man, by the way - he came back a
broken man and died two or three months later. And it's
a little gory, but the autopsy showed his stomach to be
filled with undissolved Vitamin E capsules.
.Another mother was -- spoke at this, and it was
almost l,ike.-listening to a pregnant woman crazy with
grief. Her daughter, who was a young mother, had -- was
also a field Scientologist running a group in Sacramento,
California and had come to the Flag Base for the high-
level auditing called NED for OTs, and had become so
distressed and so upset that she kept calling her, "Come
do-something to help me." She couldn't travel from Cali-
fornia to Clearwater because she was simply too ill. So
couldn't do they something, couldn't she-transfer her
money to Los Angeles and get the auditing to help her?
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And they said, "No, we can't transfer the money."
Shortly after that, the young woman died.' The
autopsy disclosed it was from a ruptured pancreas, which
I'm told is a stress-induced condition.
Hearing her mother who's an old, old friend of
mine,-as was the young woman, and her husband tell these
things to the Church officials as examples of the inhuman-4
ity and complete lack of regard for the humanity of
Deoole of this so-called Church was one of the most
difficult tasks that I had to ever sit th-rough.
I probably have a reputation in Scien-r-clogy as
one of the more vocal malcontents. I've been pressing
for some form of reform for many, many years.
After this meeting in December, we went back to
Connecticut with the firm conviction that there was no
interest within this Church for reform. The dirty tricks,
the Guardian's Office operations, and that type of thing,
which they told us were all a matter of the past, we
found out were not a matter of the past. They tried to
break up the meeting that we field people had called -
they didn't call it - that we had called down here to try
to get some of these things correc ted.
Now, I've been a minister of this Church for some
sixteen years, and I really took it seriously. I've
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married people, I've buried them, and to me it was a duty
and an honor. And to find out what my Church had been
doing -- it's a little hard on me.
Now, there's one other point: And one of the main
reasons why I wanted to be here is that I see -- I'm a
professional auditor and case supervisor, and I've been
doing it for many years. I know what is taught and the
technology of Ron Hubbard. I've heard his tapes by the
hundreds and have read his book by the thou~ands. And I
can quote almost anything you'd like quoted right now. I
know what this man says about illness, and illness is
cured only by auditing. That is not what is told to the
public, but that is what is taught us, we, who are the
practitioners and the ministers of the Church.
The reason why I say this is because I believe it's
dangerous. My late wife, Julie, and I were in Washington
in 1977 taking training. And I had recently had one of --
at that time had another one of my run-ins with a.
Guardian; they know my people to be vocal. And so, I was
ordered to sec checks, security checking, and a guard
posted on me and my wife, who was guilty because she was
my wife.
I managed to get through the security check because
I'm an expert security checker, and I know how to get
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through them. You learn these things -- you know how
to -- we people in the field learn how to survive at the
Flag Land Base and at the orgs.; we've learned the rules
of the game, if you understand my point. We're -- we
don't walk in like a wide-eyed virgin walking into a
military brothel; we've learned 'now to survive.
At any rate, this was a very, very hard thing on
~Is because there was a degree oZE duress. And we went
home kind of beaten. We didn't really -- we didn't want
to do anymore SC4;:-ntology studying. "Ind Julie complained
Z 7Ulia
o- --l-rec'ness and zhis and that. 0 --arely ever com-
plained of anything. But anyway, I saw her beginning to
slow down, and by the summer of 1978, she, who was also
a ve ry highly trained auditor -- and, also, you must
realize both of us were totally pursuaded that the source
of all illness,was mental, except for, say, a broken leg,
and the way of curing it is with auditing. This is
what it's our business.
So, during the summer, Julie lost more and more of
her energy and had some swelling and some small chest .
pains and this and that and began to lose her voice. So,
I thought, "Well, Flag has the best auditors in the world
and should be able to help her out.." So, I sent her down
here to Clearwater in, I guess it was, October of 1978.
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We never even really thought about going to see a doctor;
that's just not what -- the Scientologist doesn't think
about that.
Well, they sent her back a week later sicker and
she couldn't speak for -- she couldn't even whisper any-
more. She'd write notes. So I'tapped on her back,
because she was complaining about her chest, and on one
side I could hear the sound of the hollow sound that
you hear when you tap, and the other side, it wasn't
hollow. And so, I knew that there wasn't any air on
that side.
So, we went to see a doctor, and he had her in the
hospital very quickly. She was there two days when we
were given the report. And what it was was adenocarcin-
oma, which was a cancer of the lymph glands of the lungs,
and her right lung had totally collapsed, and which this
cancer had also infiltrated her throat and paraiyzed her
vocal cords. And it had progressed to the point where it
was totally hopeless. I mean, they didn't even suggest
chemotherapy.
And they sent her home, and I cared for her for
ten days. And she died in my arms. And I began to think
a little bit about this type of thing at that point.
.This type of thing isn't too easy to say, but I
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think that it's important that somebody say it. And
this is what is taught the professional Scientologist.
And by following the instructions and following what we
work very hard to learn, it cost my wife her life. She
may have died anyway; we don't know. If we had taken her
to the doctor early, perhaps not. We can only speculate
on that.
But what I do know is, because of my faith in this
man, Ron Hubbard, she didn't have a chance.
MR. LeCHER: One or just a f-aw questions from
me.
Do you think the organization can survive a reform
movement such as you want to initiate?
MR. McKEE: The organization that you have heard
about could not possibly survive a reform movement.
MR. LeCHER: What percentage of the field people
feel like you do?
MR. McKEE: I would say ninety-five percent.
MR., LeCHER: How would you describe the people that
are left at Flag now, which is Clearwater, left running
the organization, the Church?
Are they the --
MR. McKEE: I can describe them all right; I just
don t want to get sued.
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MR. LeCHER: Are they the old-timers like you
MR. McKEE: No.
MR. LeCHER: -- that spent their -- half their life
or virtually their entire life with them, or are they the
younger people that are
MR. McKEE: They're immature, ignorant, brainwashed
religious zealots. That's my personal opinion.
MR. LeCHER: Commissioners.
Yes, ma'am.
MRS. GARVEY: Is there anything -- you've been
hearing the testimony for today -- yesterday?
MR. McKEE: Yes.
MRS. GARVEY:. Is there any single piece of informa-
tion that we need to have yet? Or have we collected --
have we asked all the right questions? is everything
clearly out in the open now?
MR. McKEE: I think you've done a remarkable job
of.asking the proper questions and getting specific
information.
The only protest that I personally have - and I'll
say this before somebody says I can't - your task is --
you have been operating limiting or restricting the hear-
ings somewhat because you're discussing a Church and a
religion - and you see, I'm a minister.of this and I'm
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trained in it and it didn't become religious or
spiritual until it was necessary organizationally to
gain First Amendment protection in the 1960's. Religion
had nothing to do with it and still has nothing to do
with it, in fact.
MRS. GARVEY: Even though you consider yourself a
minister?
MR. McKEE: Yes, I'm a minister of the Church.
Look, in order to do that, I had to very carefully
sort out what is a minister; it's one who cares, and I
care for -oeople. And so, I think I could qualify.
MR. LeCHER: Mr. Hatchett.
MR.. HATCHETT: No.
MR. LeCHER: Mr. Shoemaker.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr. McKee, the incident you des-
cribed last December, you said tha t that was prompted
by individuals such as yourself, demanding that tha t
meeting be held?
MR. McKEE: That's correct. It was called by two
individuals who are field Scientologists, not Church
members.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Are -- approximately, how many of
the field members attended that meeting?
MR. McKEE: Well, we started out with about fifty
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on the first day - which was supposed to be a two-day
meeting - and by the fifth day, there were about two
hundred there.
MR. SHOEMAKER: These were all -- from all over the
entire country that were expressing your concerns about
the way that the operation at Flag was being carried out?
MR. McKEE: All over the United States, Canada,
Mexico, Great Britain, and South Africa, yes. It was
video taped by- the Guardian's Of f ice complete -- or by
the Sea Organization completely.
MR. SHOaMAKER: What happened to the video tapes?
MR. McKEE: And those tapes exist somewhere.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Did -- was there any type of change
that occurred after from that meeting?
MR. McKEE: Well, the highest officials showed up
on the sixth day, and they didn't want any further
comment. They, essentially, told us what we were going
to be doing. I made the mistake, from their viewpoint,
an organizational mistake of standing up and speaking
anyway. And so, I was very quickly after that declared
to be a Suppressive Person.
They implied some promises that there might be
some changes with -- and made one specific promise which
was broken two weeks later.
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MR. SHOEMAKER: You were declared a public person --
Suppressive Person after standing up and making your
feelings known?
MR. McKEE: That's correct.
They also declared -- the date of the meeting was
the first week in December of last year, and I was
declared, I think, the second week of January.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Did they notify you of this? Or
how did you find out that you were considered a Suppres-
sive Person?
MR. McKEE: When the US Guardian people came and
gave me the piece of paper -- laid the piece of paper on
the table and said they'd like to handle me.
MR. SHOEMAKER: And from that point, what was your
response?
MR. McKEE: Well, handle meant that I had to recant
and apologize for everything I did, and I didn't have
anything to apologize for. So, I said, "You're going to
have to take your best shot because, not only am I'out
but so are my groups."
MR~ SHOEMAKER: So, with your leaving, were there
a number of others such as yourself that have also left
the Church on that basic
MR. McKEE: I had I ran two missions, was the
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Director for two missions in Connecticut of a total of
about fifty active people, people that would come two or
three times a week. Every single individual and every
staff member left with me.
MR. SHOEMAKER: In your two missions?
MR. McKEE: Yes.
And my friends in Rochester also left.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Mr. McKee, the -- I'm sure you've
heard described over the last few days terrible situations
relating to health conditions.
MR. McKEE: Yes.
MR- SHOEMAKER: Are you -- do you have any first-
hand knowledge relating to
MR. McKEE: Not firsthand knowledge; I've heard
the stories.
MR. SHGEMARER: What
MR. McKEE: I haven't seen it.
I saw it on the Apollo;. I was on the ship. And I
saw the conditions on the ship; it was inhuman.
MR. SHOEMAKER: Am I to understand that those types
of conditions did not exist where you were in Connecticut
or
MR..McKEE: Oh, no. We didn't -- no.
See, in the Church of Scientology like Boston, New
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York, or the Flag Land Base are Churches of Scientology.
We are Church of Scientology Mission of New London,
Connecticut, Church of Scientology Mission of.
I am the president of the corporation, and there
are no members of the corporation that are not members
of the group. It's a franchise group. It's like
Connecticut's McDonald's franchise.
MR. SHOEMAKER: You had indicated that you had
problems off and on by the Guardian's Office.
Are you f amiliar or aware of any --with firsthand
knowledge in which they've attempted to obtain auditing
files from you for use?
MR. McKEE: Well, yes, I -- in relation to the
extraction of information for nefarious purposes, I do
not have any firsthand information.
I always assumed that no one would ever dare touch
a confessional folder. I wouldn't since I heard that,
which 'was not too long ago, I refused to send any folders.
MRS. GARVEY: You mean, you did previously?
MR. SHOEMAKER: You were before this?
MR. McKEE: Oh, yes.
MR. SHOEMAKER: And you sent those to Clearwater?
MR. McKEE: Oh, yes, many, many.
I really have a very hard time believing
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anybody would do that.
MR. LeCHER: Do the field people -- are they-
aware
MR. McKEE: The confessions of people are guar-
anteed.
MR. LeCHER: -- of all the dirty tricks?
MR. McKEE: No. There is a gradual awareness
creeping in.
You have to realize that the information within
the Scientology network is ,,7ery restrictive. Not many
people even -read newspapers and, if they do, we're
taught that this is only enemy attack. And it's really
remarkable.
MR. LeCHER: You were rather isolated,*then,,and
knew none of this existed?
MR. McKEE: No, other than what our Connecticut
MR. LeCHER: Okay.
MR. McKEE: We're not that isolated. We're just
not quite that naive, maybe.
MR. LeCHER: Do you have a copy of the paper
declaring you a Suppressive Person?
MR. McKEE: I don't think I have it with me.
MR. LeCHER: But if we ask for it, could we get a
copy of it?
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MR. McKEE: Absolutely.
MR. LeCHER: Gentlemen on my left.
MR. BERFIELD: Where was the meeting held?
MR. McKEE: Where?
MR. BERFIELD: Yes.
MR. McKEE: At the Sand Castle. It's-one of the
hotels owned by the Sea Org.
MR. CALDERBANK: T.~7hat made ~,ou belie%,e in the LRH
'L-echno-logy? You were a good minister and an upstanding
mJ_.nister in the Church all- the way uo until a few months
a c Zfc, r c,,- g-a ~_ s s en t-y y ea r s
MR. LeCHER: Twenty-four years.
MR. CALDERBANK: -- twenty-four years.
What made you believe in it?
MR. McKEE: Well, I could pass it off as stupidity,
but the fact -Of the matter was that I had been training as an
engineer. And the book, Dianetics, has a very logical
development of the subject, and that appealed to my
,thought process very much. And the thing it promised,
which -- what I wanted, being only a so-so student, was
a higher,IQ.
MR. CALDERBANK: They guaranteed you that?
MR. McKEE: Yes.
MR. CALDERBANK: Did you ever consider L. Ron
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Hubbard's background, the promises held out? You were
an engineer. Did.you believe him more because he was a
nuclear physicist?
MR. McKEE: Well, I never bit on that one because.
I do know a little bit about nuclear physics and mathe-
matics. But I rendered the man some poetic license.
MR. CALDERBANK: And my last question is: Do you
think the belief in the technology would be hindered if
this Flag Base was'put under any type of financial
scrutiny?
MR. McKEE: That -1the technology would be hindered?
MR. CALDERBANK: Yes.
MR. McKEE.: Absolutely not.
What little there is workable to it, which really
isn't very much, would be all they would have left. And
it would be a tremendous favor if that's all they could
do.
.MR. CALDERBANK: You mean, that instead or, in
fact, it might help this thread or belief in this tech-
nology if there was some kind of financial controls?
MRS. GARVEY: For financial
Mk. McKEE: No. I'd
MR. CALDERBANK: Strike that. Financial scrutiny.
MR. McKEE: In my opinion, at this point in time,
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not only will Scientology no longer spread, it has
stopped spreading about four years ago. By my observa-
tion - and I've observed quite a number of other missions,
my own, and orgs. - it's shrinking rapidly.
And I think that if the idea of financial scrutiny
is viable - and I think it would also be allowed by law,
corporate law - that the funds are handled as prescribed
by law for non-profit corporations -- were that done,
all they could do-over'there is service people.
MR. CALDERBANK: And that would actually help?
MR. McKEE: It would help the people. It would
help the people, but the little neo-Nazi types wouldn't
have anything to do.
MR. LeCHER: Okay.
Mr. Berfield.
MR. BERFIELD:// No.
MR. LeCHER: Do you have any other witnesses?
MR. FLYNN: No.
What I'd like to do at this point, quickly -- this
is very vital to Mr. McKee's testimony and to everything
else in this case.
If we could put on the -- I mentioned at the outset
in my opening the decree in the case of the United States
v. Article or Device. The case, as I said, came down in
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1971, and judgment was entered in 1972. At that time,
after the Scientologists had lost two jury trials,with
regard to, basically, all the issues we've talked about
here - the medical issues - the court required if-we
could go down to number three.
The court issued the following order, which is still
in effect and has always been in effect since 1972, and
it says: "Any and all items of written, printed, or
graphic matter'which directly or indirectly refers to the
E-Meter or to Dianetics and/or Scientology and/or audit-
ing or processing shall not be further used or distributed
unless and until the items shall bear the following.
prominent printed warning permanently affixed to said
item on the outside front cover or on the title page in
letters no smaller"
MRS. GARVEY: No. That's the wrong one.
MR. HATCHETT: That's the wrong one.
MR. FLYNN: -- "than eleven-point type than
eleven-point leaded type."
Just bring it down -- the other way.
I've just read from number three: "Any and all
items of written."
And then there's the warning, which is supposed to
be in eleven-point leaded type on the cover page or on
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the title page: "The device known as the Hubbard Electro-
meter or E-Meter used in auditing, a process of Scien-
tology and Dianetics, is not.medically or scientifically
useful for the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of
any disease. It is not medically or scientifically
capable of improving the health or bodily functions of
anyone."
That's what the court ordered in 1972.And within
the last forty-eight hours, we have purchased a couple of
publications from, the Fort Harrison Hotel, which have
already been entered into evidence, and of them is
the book, Dianetics. And nowhere in that book does that
warning appear.
There is a little -- "To the reader," which you
can barely read, which discusses Dianetics as some type
of a religious philosophy. And, also, the book, All
About Radiation, by a Nuclear Physicist and a Medical
Doctor -- also, the warning is not affixed in that pub-
lication.
So, I will put the judgment into evidence.
MR. LeCHER: Would you say they are in violation
of the court orders?
MR. FLYNN: That's correct.
MR. LeCHER: The '72 court order?
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MR. FLYN14: That's correct.
MR. LeCHER: Within the State of Florida, the city,
or the county, who shouldbe made aware of that informa-
tion, what agency?
MR. FLYNN: Mayor, it could range from the Secre-
tary of State, dealing with the Charitable Corporations
Division, the State's Attorney General, the Pinellas
County State's Attorney General, the Pinellas County
Consumer Protection Department, and if there was a
Consumer Protection Department in the City of Clearwater,
they could enforce it, also.
And the next exhibit is an exhibit, entitled
"Scientology Operations in Clearwater," which is several
hundred pages of Guardian's Office activities against
your former mayor, Mayor Cazares, including Operation
Tacoless, Operation Speedy Gonzales, Operation Keeler I,
Operation Keeler II - some of these things you've
probably read about in the newspaper - as well as Pro-
ject Normandy, the first page of which states: "Pro-
ject Information. The major purpose of this project is
to obtain enough data on the Clearwater area to be able
to determine what groups and individuals B1 will need
to penetrate and handle in order to establish area con-
trol."
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And then Operating Targets are just about every
major organization in the City of Clearwater.
And the other -- the last exhibit is simply or
the next to the last exhibit is a collection of documents
involving, basically, how to commit criminal operations.
And then we will be entering into evidence, approx
mately, ten to twelve affidavits of various individuals
that corroborate the testimony, and in some degree add
to in some degree of some of what you heard, including
the Affidavit of Tonja Burden, who was a Sea Org member
at the ace of thirteen to the age of seventeen; she spent
two and-a-half years in Clearwater. During this time
she received no education, as the affidavit states. She
worked sixteen to eighteen hours a day, between the ages
of fifteen and seventeen, coding and decoding telexes
for some of those operations and other criminal opera-
tions going on in the United States.
Those codes were double- and triple-coded in the
Owl Code, the Eagle Code, and codes of similar type. So,
she was coding and decoding, and she didn't even know
what she was coding.
And she also -- she ended up in the RPF, and she
describes conditions in the RPF, some of which you've
heard here today. She describes an individual chained
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to the boiler in the Fort Harrison Hotel; she describes
conditions on the ship; and she generally describes what
the Guardian's Office, did to her when she escaped from
the Fort Harrison, went back to Las Vegas, was kidnapped,
taken to California, told to pick up the cans, the
E-Meter, and was subjected to an intensive security
check, during which period of time she signed legal
releases to L. Ron Hubbard, Mary Sue Hubbard, the Church
of Scientology, waivers, admitted that it was all her
misconduct, and that she owed the Church of Scientology
sixty-three thousand dollars.
MR. LeCHER: Is she still a minor?
MR. FLYNN: No. She's now about twenty-two years
old.
MR. LeCHER: At that point, was she still a minor?
MR. FLYNN: Correct.
And the individuals that are now running the Church
of,Scientology were Sea Org. members of her age that
grew up with her with L. Ron Hubbard, in the age of
twenty-one, twenty-two years of age.
And there are many other affidavits here that per-
tain to various.subjects, including a widow, Peggy Baer,
from whom in two weeks they got thirty-three thousand
dollars shortly after her husband died - she was
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targeted - and similar types of items.
We'll mark all of those affidavits.
At this point in time, we'll wait to hear from
Scientology.
MR. LeCHER: Well, ladies and gentlemen, we thank
you for being with us for four days. we will be waiting
for the Scientologists, as you will be, Monday..
I wonder -- as I said earlier, before these hear-
ings started, that it's not the big city fighting this
small organization. It's little old Clearwater that's
to defend itself` against a worldwide organization
that's taking in over a million dollars a day in
Clearwater.
Thank you for staying with us.
This meeting is adjourned'.
(A copy of the Organization Chart
for the Church of Scientology was
marked as Exhibit No. 53, as of
this date;
A document, pertaining to the use
of f iles, was marked as Exhibit No.
54, as of this date;
Documents, pertaining to the use of.
auditing information, were marked
as Exhibit No. 55, as of this date;
A copy of the Judgment in the Arti-
cle or Device case was marked as
Exhibit No. 56, as of this date;
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Documents, under the title of 11sciell-
tology Operations in Clearwater,"
were marked as Exhibit No. 57, as
of this date;
Documents, pertaining to how to do
criminal operations, were marked as
Exhibit No. 58, as of this date;
Affidavits were marked as Exhibit
No. 59, as of this date.)
(Whereupon, the hearing was adjourned
until Monday, May 10, 1982, at 9:00
a.m.)
C E R T I F I C A T 1 0 N
I, Karen E. Rizman, a certified court reporter and
Notary Public, do hereby certify that the foregoing
hearing transcript of the City of Clearwater Commission
Hearings Re: The Church of Scientology, pages 4 through
420, is a true and accurate transcription of my dictated
tape recordings of the proceedings taken at the Clear-
water City Hall, Clearwater Florida, on Saturday, May
8, 1982.
Karen E. Rizman j
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