Take a look at the image above. While it lacks some context, you may recognize the circular shape of that hunk of plastic and pogo pins as the rear cover of a smartwatch. A Huawei Watch, to be precise. And what's front-and-center in focus? Well, initially it just looks like... a big hunk of metal. Upon taking apart the watch, I immediately noticed it was highly magnetic and had been glued down to an area of the watch that corresponds with an unexplained opening on the case pictured below.

You might think this was an opening for the microphone, but on the opposite side are two discrete openings for, you guessed it, the watch's mic(s) (there appear to be two). So, I started wondering what exactly this module could be, and given the opening next to it, my assumption was that it was a speaker of some kind. And it looks like that's exactly what it is.

The design is, in fact, extremely similar to the modules Huawei uses for earpiece speakers in its smartphones like Ascend Mate 7 and Ascend P7. Here's what one of those speakers looks like (found on a part supplier's site, and not the only similar example).

You'll notice that while the Huawei Watch's module is certainly a bit different, the basic design is a dead ringer. You have two leaf-spring style metal contacts, a large metal block in the middle (the speaker magnet doubles as a magnet for the charging cradle), and a black plastic surround. On the opposite side, you have a diaphragm for the speaker with an adhesive surround to enclose the moving element around whatever it is attached to, in order to create a resonance chamber. As to the differences between the watch piece's design and the one above, I'd wager that's down to the specific needs of a speaker in a smartwatch versus smartphone sort of application.

Below the area this "speaker" element sits on the Huawei Watch, there is clearly an area cut out for such a resonance chamber. I did not remove the module because I didn't want to risk damaging the acoustic seal around it. Also, we have to send this watch back, so it didn't seem like a nice thing to do to just straight-up potentially break it. You can also see contacts for this alleged speaker sitting below the main board of the watch in the image below.

I checked the text on this little piece (EBIMERCURY FR VER. BC. 1521) to see if it would yield a part number somewhere on the web, but to no avail.

Why does the Huawei Watch have what appears to be a speaker? We don't know. Why doesn't it do anything? Better question yet! What we do know is that no Android Wear device supports direct audio output (only via Bluetooth), and it's possible this piece of the Huawei Watch may yet spring into action in a later Wear release. Or it may not - we simply do not know. We've reached out to Huawei for a statement, and also pled for mercy in regard to disassembling their watch (I put it back together - it works, thankfully).

Also, here's a gratuitous shot of those sexy smartwatch innards. You can see the microphone pinholes down at the bottom, by the way, if only vaguely in this lighting (they're inward of the thread holes for the body screws).

While Huawei was unwilling to directly confirm that this component is a speaker, they all but confirmed it indirectly, saying:

The Huawei Watch is first and foremost a watch, with the added benefit of many smart features and functions. One of the keystones of watches is longevity. We designed the Huawei Watch with this in mind. This forward looking design and component selection is just one of the many ways that the Huawei Watch is timelessly designed and smart within.

You can take that how you want, but it's pretty clear to me that A.) this is a speaker, and B.) it's there for a possible future purpose (or purposes) which has yet to be announced.

Comments

noel kait

Huawei has been working with Google alot as of recent so any thing is up in the air lol. Could be google thinking about something or they could just be using the same hardware for their own "low memory" mobile OS they said before. Or they could just be like motorola and just add stuff for no reason and never put it to use.

Michael Tran

oh boy! I hope that taking calls is in android wear's future. That's one of the reasons why I'm probably holding off on the 2nd generation of android wear watches for now.

Aaron Berlin

Yeah - not having a speaker is fine if you're only dismissing calls, but accepting a call and then having to pull your watch out of your pocket really fast to avoid leaving your caller hanging isn't the best user experience, imo.

I'll confess, when I get a call while i'm using my bluetooth headphones, taking it from my wrist and then - BOOM - I'm suddenly just talking to whoever called me feels like the future. So maybe forget what I said.

Cool

Yeah. I answer calls with my watch and talk through my Bluetooth headphones all the time.

Works great. Nice to know whose calling.

WestSiide

It doesn't take very long to look at your wrist, decide so you want to take the call, and pull your phone out and accept it directly on the phone.

tiger

But when Apple Watch was first introduced, Android fanboys laughed...now, you guys want that feature. Strange.

emer

Samsung watches had that feature long before apple

fonix232

Oh, we weren't laughing at the capability to make calls. We were laughing at the incompetence Apple again presented, and the stupidity its customers again presented. Just the usual.

tiger

But, Apple Watch able to take calls is damn ridiculous say Android fanboys...but not now all of a sudden.

There would be no need for a module this large to be a microphone. And there are clearly microphones (two) on the opposite side of the watch.

Roto

I'm not up to date enough on Project Ara to know how its shaping up, but I've wondered, if/when smart watches mature, such a project may be perfectly suited to watches? (as they are usually expected to last longer and be kept longer, than phones) What do you think David?

Wasn't Google experimenting with replacing passwords with ultrasonic noise patterns from phones? Allowing the same with a smartwatch (or a wireless router in a connected house) could be a way to speed up adoption once they role it out, and make it easier to devices to verify ID.

Kaleb Peters

Hey, that could be it! Hopefully this is true.

TedPhillips

yeah i also thought it could be for Nearby

Renaldi I.

Now that you reminded me of that experiment, I JUST made the connection that their OnHub is one of their first products to make use of it.

Matthew Merrick

i thought chromebooks could use this for a while now? and can't chromecast as well?

Renaldi I.

I've heard of it being tested on chromebooks, but not actually released, and I haven't heard anything like that for chromecast.

Is there any indication of whether the Huawei Watch contains dormant GPS support, @rdr0b11:disqus ? It would be unfortunate if the Moto 360 Sport becomes the only modern Android Wear watch to feature it.

kerrhome

Google is all about doing things to improve their bottom line, so I still have hope that NFC is in there and it's just waiting for activation. You know Google wants this feature for their data gathering.

When the first round of watches came out, did the manufacturers put the wifi in the specs or did that only come to light later once the software activated the feature? Obviously, none of these manufacturers put "speaker" in their specs, so NFC really could be in there too.

Raj Singh

There are Android Wear devices other than the Moto that have GPS and NFC.

Kendrick Vargas

Notifications seems to be the most obvious use of this. Specifically alarms when a phone is out of reach and your watch is on a charging stand. Of course, since it's a $400 watch, they may simply be future proofing.

WORPspeed

OR if you misplaced your watch have it send out a tone once it is in the vicinity and connects to your phone over BT. Your phone could send it the signal that you are looking for it and it would respond with a sound to let users know where it is hiding.

Yo I have to admit the Apple watch is clearly well built. Puts the Huawei insides to shame. Yet the Huawei watch looks (and function) so much better. Apple really putting that slave city to work lol. (Yes it had to be said)

So what? Who gives a fuck about how the apple watch is built? Take your trolling back to your my little pony forums.

tiger

because it makes Android Wear look like cheap toilet paper....

gh0st_h4wk

Have you really wasted all that time to say all of this bullsh*t? What makes Apple Watch an Apple is exactly what diferentiate it from the others: their stupid owners who are willing to pay a lot more than the device really is worthy because Apple says "that the best of the world, lol, OS included and sh*t".

Apple is nothing but a copy-all company, its like Hatake Kakashi of the devices. Microsoft created the concept of tablets, didn't make success, Apple copied it, everyone liked it and Apple claimed it as their own. Microsoft made Surface with that awesome keyboard-cover, didn't make success, Apple copied it, everyone liked it and Apple claimed it as their own. Google made Android Wear, didn't make success, Apple copied it, everyone liked it and now there are people like you saying "oh look how magnificent this APPLE (noted the Apple? Because the Apple, oh, the Apple thingy is that matters) Watch is built compared to this POS bla bla bla".

Meanwhile, people who bought their "outdated" Moto 360 are very happy with their watches, rocking it everywhere they can, controlling their homes with their wrists and you are there just "MEH, DIS IS CRAP, APPLE IS BETTER">

I feel ashamed just because I share the world with people like you.

tiger

Why do you think Apple makes products people like? Not just fanboys, but enterprises worldwide? Hospitals?

Lets say what you wrote is true, WHY is the big question, right?
Maybe because Apple products work as advertised? Maybe Apple products have actual encryption that works? Maybe Apple App Store is not over run with spam? Maybe Apple updates their software quickly to avoid STAGEFRIGHT?

btw, Stagefright is still NOT solved on the latest software. Still alive and strong!

I am happy that you love your round TV, your round computer display, and your round smartphone. Where did you get them?

fonix232

Enterprises worldwide? Hospitals? Don't make me laugh.

Any enterprise that gives a shit will equip their employees with tools that match the work environment. I work with various people from around the different segments of market (from the lowly gas gauge reader to the enterprise CEO with thousands of employees), and so far all I got was "this iPad is awful, I can't get my emails properly, this app does not work right, etc.". When their company decided to buy a Windows tablet, suddenly everything was working properly... wonder why?

Hospitals that truly give a shit will buy Motion Computing tablets - a company that has been on the tablet market since 2002, making the best rugged, antibacterial, etc. tablets that were developed for one purpose: to be used in areas that require not-so sensitive equipment. Any iPad would die in a week with all the dust in a construction site, or the amount of disinfectant it would require to keep that bitten apple pad clean of bacteria.

You're trying to make a point really hard, all the while knowing nothing of the actual market. Guess why the Apple Watch was selling so good? Because Apple has an ecosystem of iDiots who will buy anything, shall you slap a bitten apple logo on the back. There was even a video on YouTube where the new "iPhone" (an Android device in the shape of an iPhone) was shown around to iPhone users. Guess what, everyone was praising it, so smooth, so awesome screen, etc.

Android Wear is not that successful because 1, the manufacturers did not make them widely available (hell, the Moto 360 is just turning up in Hungary, while v2 is being released in the US), 2, they were never advertised much 3, they are marketed as smartwatches, while the Apple Watch is marketed as an "APPLE watch".

Apple took a risky step and spent a LOT of money on the wearable market, just after Google released their own stuff. And guess why they were successful? It purely comes down to marketing. Even a TheVerge editor said that the Apple Watch is a POS, unusable thing, but hey it got a red LED-imitating blinker, so it's awesome.

tiger

Right...but wait, Android actually has marketshare...so, based on YOUR logic, there are a bunch of idiots buying horrid Android devices, including YOU. Ouch.

Dust? Isn't there a case for that? Google: MD Anderson or Cleveland Clinic or Mayo Clinic and Apple.

So, folks buying iPhones are idiots? OK, do YOU want to talk tech with me?? Want to talk processors in your phone and mine? I want to see how knowledgeable you are.

Moto 360 has been on Best Buy shelves for well over a year!
Google had ONE YEAR head start! ZERO market penetration.

Even TheVerge (and everyone else) said that Android Wear is not even close to being a finished product!

But, come on, wanna talk tech?

Damien

Why the heck are you even on here???

Leo

Oh god, this troll is making my day.
I think you got it the other way round kiddo: Android Wear outright wrecks the useless "me-too" toy Apple produced. But then again, it's what you get when you cobble together a badly conceived imitation in order to at least be CLOSER to what Android has to offer.

It sure sucks to be an iSheep, in this day and age, being stuck with outdated tech.

tiger

Imitation? "Me too"? Are you that ignorant or just born that way?
From a distance, can you tell the difference b/w a Timex and Android Wear? No. Both looks cheap from far and near.

Apple Watch is distinctively Apple in design and construction. Easily recognizable. This is what separates Apple Watch from everyone else and why it will continue to DOMINATE Android Wear and Tizen S2.

Do you have a round computer display? Round TV? Round smartphone?

THINK before typing next time.

YaKillaCJ

U can't be serious. Watches are Round. Idk the last time I seen a Rolex worth 5Figures in the shape of a square. Another thing is people see my Moto360 and say, oh nice Watch. Not, good looking Android Wear. They say nice watch, not nice smartwatch. I see the Apple Watch and I see something fisher price or leapfrog makes. Same of the Sony SW3, Samsung S2, Pebble and etc. Motorola, LG, Huawei round faces are getting it right. Watch how Apple gonna be making a round face smartwatch with an actual good looking outside. Take your head out the ground and U can't deny how Apple has been biting off others. iPad went to 7". iPhone went to 5.5" & added NFC. Force Touch is also Apple playing catchup because its basically adding another button.

tiger

I have a Rolex too...sitting in closet collecting dust. I don't know the last time a saw a round TV, a round computer display, or a round smartphone. Have you? Why is it that no one makes a round display or TV?????

Apple is NOT out to copy a watch. Apple made an APPLE Watch that has clear cut Apple design and construction that it is known for. No one will mistake it for anything else.

It is NOT trying to copy a traditional wrist watch. THAT is a mistake by Android Wear OEMs and Samsung these days...I guarantee you that NOT one of these copycats (Moto, Samsung, LG, etc) will sell well. People who want a regular watch-looking device will buy a regular watch + Fitbit.

People may compliment you...but how many bought one? ZERO market penetration...collecting dust on Best Buy shelves. In contrast, Best Buy CEO recently stated that Apple Watch demand and sales are through the roof at his stores...and this is during their quarter report which means he cannot lie blatantly.
You want to bet that Apple will not make a round watch in the next 5 yrs or decade even?

Want to bet that all CURRENT Android Wear products, e.g. Hauwei, Moto 360 II, LG, will be failures?

You're saying Android does not copy Apple? Everyone copies each other dude. GET YOUR head out of the sand! The difference is...almost everything that Apple does works well. iMessage, FaceTime, NFC/Apple Pay, touchID, etc.. Can you say that everything Android copied has worked well? No.

Wanna bet?

BTW, where did you buy your ROUND TV? Walmart?

YaKillaCJ

No point in furthering this discussion because ya clearly a fanboi in lost in the Status Symbol complex. All these apps U mentioned (iMessage, TouchID, NFC) are standard on Android for years and thus no1 makes em a marketing ploy to say new. FaceTime being its only redeeming service. Btw, ya don't even have full nfc or touchid. Android NFC chip been letting me pay at coffee shops, fast food, clothing stores, fast food, restaurants, gas stations and more for years. Plus I can use it to share info, automate processes and quickly connect with just a tap

tiger

You're an idiot. Sorry, i had hoped for an intelligent discussion with you. I stand corrected.

Can you name an app equivalent to iMessage? Standard on Android you say? Show me a standard messaging app equal to iMessage.

TouchID? You mean Moto Atrix? You do realize that the two tech is world's apart, right?! And since Atrix, what other Android has fingerprint BEFORE iPhone 5s. Show me. And we all know that Android was stuck with no decent fingerprint reader after 5s came out...so, you are caught lying here again!

NFC...remind how popular NFC was? Oh yeah, nonexistent. Until Apple came out with Apple PAY. And Apple Pay was light years ahead in ease of use. Android now riding on tailcoat of Apple Pay. How's Android pay?

BTW, to share info (videos, pics, etc), i don't need to "tap"....

Leo

A colleague was wearing a smartwatch. I had to look for the "crown" and side button to ascertain it was an Apple Watch, as from the front is was damn generic and nondescript. On the other hand, my Moto360 is instantly recognizable even from afar.

Cry all you want, insult all you want, but the iWatch is a pale imitation of Android Wear, unfortunately it is mediocre, underpowered and tied into the worst hardware ecosystem out there. Hence why everyone is selling theirs, whereas Android Wear keeps evolving and selling. Don't like it? Cry quietly, we don't care about butthirt iSheeps.

tiger

Front generic? How so?

Moto360 is a POS with a POS processor that should be recycled into toilet paper. You calling Apple S1 chip UNDERPOWERED vs. your Moto360 chip???????????? LOL

Hardware ecosystem? What does that even mean? You cannot even understand the difference!

Your last statement does not even make sense! Wear is evolving and selling? Show me.

Leo

Such livor... looks like I hit a nerve.
But then again, someone who thinks a pale imitation of Wear with a confusing and ill conceived UI/UX, overinflated price, forced ecosystem and underwhelming specs is just in plain denial. I'm sorry, kiddo, but please don't come to AP if you can't stand being witness to better technology and a far better OS than the one on your toy.

If Apple keeps churning out crap only dumb fools want, don't get angry at me.

tiger

Underwhelmed specs??? Again, for a "medical prof" you're an idiot.

Oh no, your Moto 360 Ti processor is not underwhelmed at all!! LOL Before insulting another hardware, please look at your own. Your Moto360 is a true POS device made of plastic and tape...literally! See iFixit breakdown of your watch...held together by duck tape.

Angry at you? No, that would be wrong. It is like getting angry at a retard trying to sound intelligent. I feel pity for you. Pity.

Leo

Judging by the overload of insults (clearly showing your limited arguments and vocabulary) I'd say I DEFINITELY hit a nerve.

If you are trolling, you are doing it badly.
If you are an iSheep, I hit bullseye. Buyer's remorse? Android users laughing at you?

tiger

That's it? No more specs from you? LOL.

I'd say i DEFINITELY reach the edge of your intelligence. LOL

tiger

How's StageFright?

Leo

How's JailbreakMe?

tiger

LOL...they are not the same...Jailbreak is like rooting.

Do you even know what StageFright is?????? Dude, this shows your ignorance!!

STFU tech.

Leo

*facepalm* like rooting... sweet lord, you don't even know what "priviledge escalation is".

What the hell is wrong with Apple users all of a sudden trying to pass off as knowledgeable in technology they can barely comprehend? This kid is trying so hard to make me look like a fool only to get razed to the ground each time.
To reply to your other pathetic ramblings, all I see is a list of centres in the US that get directly sponsored by Apple or manufacturers who already invested in the ecosystem. I will reveal to you a little secret: Siemens, back in 2009, bundled their AcuNav caths with a central unit based off a MacBook Pro. OsX turned out to be so unstable with following software revisions that they LITERALLY had a technician install XP on the thing - and has remained like that ever since.

Please keep on with your childish insults, pathetic ramblings and unending rage towards Android, this won't change a few facts:
1) I am who I say I am, I know what I'm talking about, you are not. Again, leave healthcare to professionals, you are blabbering about things FAR beyond your knowledge, skills and comprehension
2) Apple's sales cater to people who want an easy to use, underpowered, locked, foolproof device, people with specific needs who are forcibly "locked" to Apple (A/V production for example), and rabidly hopeless fanboys like you. People who will shell the hefty premium for mediocre tech without saying a word or ask questions. Android offers FAR more for FAR less, and this is why people prefer it. Deal with it, no amount of rage will change that.
3) Apple is playing catch-up with both Android and Windows, and once again deal with it. iWatch? A desperate rush to copy Wear. iPad Mini? A desperate (and failed) move to try and beat Android in the sub-10" segment. Apple Pen? Samsung, Wacom and Microsoft are still laughing. Photocopiers ahoy, in Cupertino!

Over and out, I've fueled your trolling enough (and quite frankly, the rage might have you bursting anytime now, I don't want to be the cause of an ACS - you know what it is, RIGHT?) :D

tiger

Hey moron, Watch, iPads, iPhones have all exceeded your Android's best. Name me one tablet on Android that is selling? Name me one Wear that is selling? Name me one company that makes profits off phones? Samsung I guess but they are laying off people like crazy due to falling profits!

Yeah, those are laughing...and crying because their profits have gone down the drain!

What? That's it. What happened to all the tech boasting??

Chickenshit.

As for ACS, all I need is to do is take ASA, Plavix 300mg, Lipitor 80mg, and BB, right? Would i need Lovenox too? SQ or IV? Do I need tPA if i get there within 3 hrs?

But then, again, would I get ACS from laughing my ass off AT you? Probably not, because my parents have no h/o MI (55 for father, 65 female cutoff).

So, you wanna play some more kid? Lets talk about either...I am good you little shit.

Leo

Rotfl, the kiddo is getting angrier and angrier it seems :)
But I give you some credit, you either mustered up enough reading skills to open the ESC's guidelines or, more coherently, went in a panic to your doctor and asked him for a few facts.

Before we get into stuff you barely comprehend, you seem eager to compare a single company catering to a herd of technologically illiterate sheeps to multiple companies catering to people who want the best for the right price. Samsung, and even with the layoffs it's a far larger company than Apple, deal with it. Then there's LG, Sony, HTC (until the money runs out) andeven then I'm not taking into account the rising stars (pun intended) of Mi, Huawei et al. But then again, it's difficult to have a rabid troll understand even the smallest concepts of choice. Apple is the ONLY manufacturer of iOS devices, no wonder its numbers are where they are, not taking said fanboy base into account - rolling up all Android sales would not be comparable, and yet it would probably cause seizures in your feeble mind if Google was, hypothetically, to take control of actual sales.

I actually almost burst into a fit of laughter while reading your attempt of passing off as a colleague. ASA, correct: how much? 325? 100x2? 500? And Plavix 300mg (that's clopidogrel), for how long? Are you sure it's 300mg (I suggest you read PAST the first few lines in Google...)? Why not prasugrel, which is the current gold standard in post-PTCA adverse events prevention? Atorvastatin, good! And what enzyme do you monitor in order to avoid its prime adverse effect? Beta-blocker, which one? Nope, not carvedilol, not the gold standard anymore. Bonus points for actually knowing about Clexane/Lo0venox, but malus points for not knowing that in an ACS you go full IV, subcutaneous injection (6000x2, standard 75kg caucasian male with no liver ailments) is preferred for DVT control.
tPA. Oh god, this is the MOST hilarious part. Poor kid, tPA is indicated (current Italian Cardiology Society guidelines) only if the patient cannot be taken to a cICU within the 90m timeframe.

An Apple loser trying to play doctor. Hilarious, and your flurry of insults and vulgarities gives away your rage. let's step up the game, and Google won't help you on this one: given a transesophageal AcuNav probe (nice to see you skipped my entire discussion - oh, right, it showed Apple's shortcomings), what's the range, in degrees, you should rotate a single detector probe in order to accurately detect a thrombus nested in the LAA?

Take your time. Don't die on me in the meantime, I'd hate to learn that your head exploded in frustration and rage.

tiger

Ok, lets make it simple...combine all the sales of WEAR vs. Apple Watch.

You talk about outdated tech...yet, you have a Moto360 with a processor over 5 yrs old and no longer supported! LOL

You're right...Android OEMs cater to the cheap and poor. No argument from me. This is why developers don't like Android.

Do you give Effient BEFORE cath? No.

READ your own post first dumbass.

How long do you take Plavix post? Depends and debatable. 1 year, but data now shows you may want to take it longer...individualize.

Lovenox...hint: RENAL dose. Liver ailments?! LOL. Moron.

tPA. Where i live, we go straight to cath lab. If not, then tPA in ER.

I know what you are now!!!!! You're a freaking ECHO tech!!! You're right, i am NOT your colleague. I did not go to tech school to do ultrasounds.

Thanks dude for getting owned about being a cardiologist.

Leo

As much as I hate feeding trolls and being too heavy handed with children, this is being too hilarious. All I need is a little push and you keep humiliating yourself So, let's just forget for a moment that you conveniently skipped ALL my questions (the mark of the troll, or more specifically of a kid who is cloeless) and let's see...

I have what I enjoy and what serves my purposes. Hence why I have Android hardware and, even amidst the choices, I favor Nexus devices. Ah right, I forgot, Apple users need the latest iteration to stay relevant. How utterly pathetic.
Developers hating Android... shall we compare numbers on both Stores? Indeed, they hate Android... laughable.
And I find quite strange that Android OEMs, building devices with far better tech, should cater to the poor. Hell, even I could go out and purchase an iToy 6s with what is currently in my wallet, but why waste pocket money on someothing so obsolete? I need the best, hence why I favor Android.

And now, to further rub salt into the wound:
You spoke about Plavix, mentioning the load dosage. In patients sent to primary PTCA, that dose is administered post-procedure. And I'm amused to see you mentioned Prasugrel only after I mentioned it. Google better, next time.
1 year... when? DES? BMS? You seem quite confused, once again you should read better what you found on Google. Oh, don't tell me you don't even know how one shouldproceed when the balloon alone isn't enough...
Lovenox... Xa. My God, it seemsthat your knowledge of basic physiology is SEVERELY limited. Again, do you even read what you find on Google? How are you supposed to intervene on the coagulation cascade if the enzymes aren't even there? What's next, you will tell me that platelets come from the bone marrow? Tsk, the typical mistakes of amateurs.
As fr tPA, I'm amusedonce again to see you quickly corrected yourself only AFTER I pointed out your blatant mistake.

Ah yes, the position of sonographer. I recall it being widespread in the UK/USA, but here a cardiologist is in charge, at least where I work. don't tell me your local hospital is so poor it can't afford a colleague?
Now, a question arises: you seem extremely livid about my degree, what are you? A high schooler? A middle schooler? Someone who tried to get into med school and failed? Quite possible.

So, let's reiterate:
- what's the correct orientation of a US single-plane transesophageal probe in order to detect LAA thrombi?
- given a standard subject (male, 75Kg, caucasian), what's the size you'd pick for an introducer? What kind of cath you'd use? What if it was a dissection (a very specific one)
- What enzymes you check in a patient using statines?
Answer, kid. But judging by your dodging them beforehand, I'd say you fruitlessly tied to Google. Please do reply, I'm eager to have another laugh.

Thank you kid, for once more humiliating yourself. But then again, you only have your stupidity to blame: next time, know your place. Using Google doesn't make you a doctor, and judging by your irate replies and blatant mistakes you clearly lack the skills required for such a delicate art.

tiger

Nope. Most of the time even before procedure, we load up patients with Plavix. Duh!
LOL...backtracking on Lovenox! Basics dude. The MAIN reason you limit Lovenox dosing is RENAL, not hepatic. Dumbass. Why? How many people with liver vs. people with low CrCL? But then again, you know all this already, right? You even got Lovenox dosing WRONG.
Lovenox and platelets? Hmmmmmm....
What was my mistake with tPA? You ask me about ACS...I tell you if I need to give tPA? Not everyone is close for immediate PCI. Dude, get a clue!
You're a freaking tech!! STFU already.
Enzyme for statins ? To check for what? Muscle damage? CK. TO check for effectiveness? You tell me. LOL

Leo

"We"? Plase, troll, lying on your status is outright pathetic.
Backtracking? Not at all. I asked you why Plavix instead of Effient, and you suddenly went crazy. Again, as I said, you seem to be talking about things you barely comprehend.
And I was speaking about clopidogrel, is your rage affecting even your basic reading skills or perhaps you are desperately clawing at whatever strand you can concoct?
So, you cite the usage of prasugrel, and yet lack knowledge of which organ produces X (and ATIII, for that matter). And before you start clinging again to straws, platelets and ticagrelor. Sorry, missed chance.

Your mistake was that you immediately consideredtPA, I assume because it wa the first result that came up in Google. Wrong as hell. In a home-to-balloon scenario, tPA is a second line when a coronary unit is unavailable. Using that as the gold stadard? A pathetic mistake. So you first say that "where you live, you have access to PTCA", then you backtrack. Desperation at its finest.
As for statins, close, but not quite. It's the CK-MM isoenzyme, and LDH (albeit less specific). Effectiveness? The most common used ones are LDL, total cholesterol and on alesser note CRP. But I'm amused to see a "colleague" ignoring how these are commonly used as surrogate endpoints, whereas the reduction of adverse conditions (SCA/MI) is the actual effectiveness indicator.

And I see you haven't answered my questions. Questions that would indeed be extremely easy for a fellow cardiologist. So, my dear iSheep and college dropout, I once again invite you to provide a answer. Fail to do so, and I will merely conclude that you are unable to do so.

Oh, screw that, it's obvious that you can NOT give an answer, as they are extremely specific and unabl to be answered by googling. And no, I won't "STFU". You got yourself into this situation, thanks to your stupidity, ignorance and arrogance. You are on your own, delusional kid.

tiger

Remind me again...so tell me...who do you see more? Cirrhosis or one with CrCl<30?

Again, read what I wrote first regarding tPA...THEN respond appropriately.

You claim to know tech...here's an easy one. You seem to think that Android specs are better...so, lets talk processors.

How many instructions per cycle can Snapdragon S810 do? This is basic fact.

Leo

Eight data pipelines, 3-8-3 per cycle. And I know where you are trying to go, kid - Apple's A7 doubled that. Or perhaps you want to talk about overheating problems.

But let's take it up a notch: how does multitasking work on your iCrap?

tiger

But wait...we're not finished...so, if A7 can double it, then what does it mean?

Overheating? Tell me more.

tiger

But wait...we're not finished...so, if A7 can double it, then what does it mean?

So, if A7 can double it, then doesn't that make Android chips outdated? Why is a chip from 2 yrs ago so much better than the current Android crop?

Overheating? Tell me more.

Cat got your tongue Leo technician?

tiger

How is Android Wear wrecking anything?? It has ZERO MARKET PENETRATION. Zero. Fitbit and Garmin are eating Android Wear for breakfast! Pebble eating Wear for lunch.

Outdated tech? Look at the chip and inside manufacturing and compare that to Apple Watch! Your Wear is made like a children's toy! LOL

Ignorance is bliss with you.

Leo

Wait a moment, are you comparing fitness trackers to smartwatches? Are you in denial or your knowledge of technology is REALLY this low?
Oh god...

tiger

So, Ok, lets take out fitness trackers...BTW, some of those "trackers" are smartwatches too moron!

OK, has Android Wear devices outsell PEBBLE?

Android Wear has been out for 2 yrs...and COMBINED, they sold around 750,000. Apple Watch out for 3 months and sold for over 3 million and change.

Ouch...you need to pray to God because Android Wear is DOA.

Leo

And most of those watches are now on eBay. There's a limit even to an Apple user's stupidity. After all, this is what is keeping Apple afloat: a horde of trolls/iDiots like you, nothing else. Anyone even remotely sane/skilled with technology knows that one can get an Android/Windows device that performs FAR better for a fraction of the price.
And I love how you mentioned the Pebble, which has been out for years, has a solid ecosystem and a cohort of loyal customers. And yes, it is far better (in its own ballpark) than the pathetic iWatch (then again, what to expect from a "me too!" device from Cupertino?)

I am still laughing at the "desktop performance" of the iPad Pro. The i7 4770k managing my EMR system is "obviously" underpowered /s

tiger

On eBay? Moto360 is not on eBay too? Boy, you are more stupid than you sound! LOL

And remind me...how much are those eBay Apple Watch selling for? Oh yeah, within a few dollars of MSRP!!!

And BTW, lets wait for iPad Pro to hit the benchmarks first...if your laptop belongs in the 80-90%, then yeah, the iPad Pro will run better than your laptop. Period.

YaKillaCJ

Maybe U aren't aware or haven't looked closer into it but Android Wear has no limits. Its actually just full Android with an interface change to cater to such a small screen.
U can sideload regular Apps/APKs right into it. The only existing limits depends on the hardware having such a small screen and so developers haven't created interfaces for the small size. Oh and no loudspeaker but U can connect bluetooth for external audio.

Bottomline is ppl are just beginning to scratch its surface. Like how when Chromecast first came out. Android wear has an even higher limit. It's a tablet that lacks a loudspeaker on your wrist.

tiger

Actually, THAT is a problem if you think that full hard on Android experience can be downsized to a watch face!!

This is why Apple went with its own OS for Apple Watch. Shrinking tablet experience into wrist size is downright stupid.

Guess what? Sales of Android Wear x 2 yrs have been downright pathetic...with NO TRACTION whatsoever in the foreseeable future. No one even talks about it...it is now Apple Watch vs. Fitbit. That's it.

YaKillaCJ

That was until the Moto 360. It took/taking a few iterations for manufacturers to become appealing to the general public, true enough. Without a doubt, the more that comes out looking like actual watches (luxurious), the more sales will increase. No1 took the G1 serious because iOS and Blackberry was out. Wearables are just taking off and U watch (pun intended) how they take off. I kno ppl ask me all the time about my watch, then they like oh crap, that's a smartwatch. I thought they all look geeky or childish.

tiger

How well did the 360 sell? Not much...until Moto put it on a fire sale! No appeal to anyone except for niche...and those waited for the fire sale to buy!

It was crappy built, poor processor, and flat tire. The new one will be equally bad except for slightly better processor.

Do you expect Android Wear to take off? You think that it will be top 5 in sales?

Android Wear will be buried by Garmin, Fitbit, and Pebble.

YaKillaCJ

Same was said about Pebble. Wearables are fairly new to the general public. So yes its a niche, duh. Apple watch sales are stale too. I wouldn't say it wasn't a success because it wasn't hugely adapted. The point was to break into the market and create a buzz. They all going into uncharted territory, so let them. Fitness is becoming in and further helping them.
My initial point was that Google did it right. It's a nice open platform that developers are just starting to dive into. Give em time and realize it has no limits. Sales will go higher when people begin to find a reason to justify the purchase.

tiger

I agree with you to some degree. However, Android Wear has had almost 2 years to establish themselves...zero market penetration...we can agree on that.
Pebble was an instant success. Garmin and Fitbit got traction fairly quickly.

Apple Watch has (relatively) exploded onto market...trailing only Fitbit despite its high price tag. Enterprise and medical community are now embracing Apple Watch. Apple Watch, for better or worst, has become a fashion symbol...again, good for sales and publicity. All within a few months of introduction.

What the Android Wear (and Tizen) doing is riding on the coat tail of Apple Watch success. Unfortunately, there is just not a compelling reason to buy one by the general public. Android appeals to the poor (relatively speaking here, no offense meant, only for discussion)...and most folks who buy Android cannot afford a smartwatch. Fitbit and Garmin are far cheaper options. And with Android Wear sometimes failing BT connections (like Garmin and Fitbit), it becomes far less reason to buy one.

For whatever reason, my Apple Watch stays connected to my iPhone 100% of the day (within range of course). No drop and reconnecting. None. When I had Android Wear and Garmin, it would randomly drop connection and re-connecting. Annoying. Returned them.

bendgate

ewwww.... that ugly rectangular box thing... just no.... stop....

Stephen Cornwell

Why? If it offers no aesthetic or functional benefit then what would a metal interior do for you?

blindexecutioner

It's just a sign of quality. These things aren't cheap.

Stephen Cornwell

Just because a material is more luxurious, doesn't make it better for a particular job.

kerrhome

And what impact would all metal have on the device's ability to communicate via bluetooth and wifi? I'm guess solid metal is not going to enhance the ability to communicate in this instance.

Plastic isnt much cheaper than metal. Apple has really messed with people minds over that. The difference is at most a couple of dollars for even a full size phone.

Genuine HTC M7 housings could be had for $12 on Aliexpress.

fonix232

True, but construction prices are different with metal, plus it limits the signal range (as said before). Also, metal is usually heavier than plastic, making it a material you'd use sparsely on a wrist-mounted device (except if your goal with a smart-watch was to imitate those wrist and ankle weights).

If you have a toddler, and fischer price toys, then that's a compliment. Those things are really tough.
Conversely just about every day I see scores of broken iphones.

tiger

No broken Android phones? I don't get your point.

B/w the two, which do you think is made to a higher quality?

superg05

why because plastic is shock / impact resistant?

tiger

Yeah ok...look at how Apple Watch is constructed vs. this POS.

fonix232

This? POS? Well good luck with your Apple Watch, where the biggest innovation was adding a LED-imitation dot...

tiger

So, you think that Hauwei construction is good?

fonix232

This construction, by the looks of it, yes, it IS good. It was well designed, internals fit snug, and the whole construct's weight was lowered with the plastic bits inside. The exterior is still metal, but the plastic interior helps lowering the weight.

You're talking like if Apple was the god of constructing devices and they never ever failed. Let me remind you of 1, Antenna-gate 2, Yellow displays 3, Bending of the 6+ (which was claimed by Apple to be coming out so late because they were refining the phablet design for years... except they forgot the most basic bending test). The Apple Watch is also a heavy POS, limited functionality, does almost nothing, and lacks the truly innovative features that pretty much every Android Wear unit has shown off so far.

I don't know. An all metal frame might actually offer a functional benefit, but I'm not an engineer so I couldn't answer that.

I do know that the inside of a mechanical watch this expensive does matter to people and a lot of them you can even call beautiful so why not extend that to an expensive smartwatch?

Stephen Cornwell

I couldn't agree with you more regarding a mechanical watch. But you buy a mechanical watch as much for it's internals as it's exterior. Often times more so. An electronic watch is all about the exterior. If the build quality is good and the watch is robust then I don't care how luxurious the interior structure is. Just my opinion though.

tiger

Well, if they cut corners on the interior design, then what else did they cut corners (e.g. electronics)?

Sruly J

It's round, so they left out the corners from there :P

tiger

LOL...well played.

Stephen Cornwell

My point is, who says using plastic internals is cutting corners? Perhaps it's the best material choice for the job? Making it more expensive, just so people can say it has a partially metal internal chassis (it could never be entirely metal) is daft.

As for cutting corners, you know the specs of the electronics, does it look like they cut corners to you?

tiger

Don't know. Will find out soon enough. Do we have an inventory of its internals?

One leak of water/moisture into internal and that thing is fried.

Stephen Cornwell

We know which major components are being used. What more do you want?

As for your moisture comment, what difference does it make whether it's metal internally or plastic? Any smartwatch is going to have serious issues if it leaks and metal internals aren't going to make it any more moisture resistant.

tiger

Can you show me a list of them? We know that it has S400 chip. What else?

"In effect the complete S1 assembly has EMI shielding since (with the exception of the accelerometer/gyro) the whole thing has a metal coat, mostly copper with a skin of iron/chromium. Such a coating will also inhibit moisture ingress, a good thing since I’ve heard tales of folks showering while wearing a Watch, and wrists can get a bit sweaty anyway."

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S1 SiP is on another level compare to everyone else in both performance and construction. There is no comparison.

This will be the future of Apple...mark my words. Basically, Apple Watch is the window to the future of all Apple products, such as iPhone & iPad. Apple Watch will be how Apple approaches water resistance for future iPhones.

Stephen Cornwell

I was going to respond to your comment, then I saw your other comments here. You're obviously hell bent on proclaiming the Apple Watch to be the greatest engineering feat since Apollo 11, while bagging the competition and being a dick about it in the process. Ok kid, you win. Apple is the best. Nothing will challenge the little pedestal you have them on. Your self-worth can remain safely intact.

Seriously, what kind of a sadsack wastes his time repeatedly criticising a product he's not even remotely interested in and talking up a product he had absolutely no part in designing?

"Here's to the crazy ones (Apple ad campaign early 2Ks)" - fuck Apple and fuck their iWatch. Who gives a fuck if they're "not so crazy", you Apple fanboi.

tiger

Classic angry droid dumbass.

Tiger Balls

You're the loser coming to an android site trying to troll about the shitty apple watch. Go back to your square shit watch and leave us here to enjoy a smartwatch that actually looks good.

Leo

The point here is not "a watch that looks good", it's "a watch that has a decent UI, doesn't dilute its UX in a thousand buttons/gestures and is tied into the most widespread software ecosystem in the world, not to mention into the IoT"

The iWatch is, basically, useless. And yes I used one, what a clustercluck.

tiger

I assume that you have a ROUND TV too. Round smartphone? Round computer display?

Used one? Where Apple Store?! LOL. Useless? Well, considering that enterprises and MEDICAL SYSTEMS seem to have caught on to Apple Watch, while Android Wear remains dead last among smartwatches in sales and presence.

Most widespread ecosystem among the poor...true dat. Remind me how many developers actually like Android or even Android Wear? Oh yeah, they ALL PREFER iOS and Watch OS. Ouch.

Leo

I have a curved OLED panel in my living room.
Medical systems on the iWatch? Oh, you mean its useless sensor, one I can't even reliably and accurately get an HRV reading from? I suggest you Google for it, as sadly iSheeps lack the necessary knowledge to understand evolved tech.

And unfortunately for you, I see quite a sizable number of Wear apps. But I understand your fanboyism is blinding you. Shame, but no loss here: the Apple losers like you exist only for our enjoyment. Now, as I said, feel free to cry over being stuck with overpriced, antiquated tech only idiots care about :)

How many Wear apps? You want to compare to Watch OS apps? WatchOS has over 10,000 apps specifically for Watch...you guys?

Leo

Oh god, the ignorance.
Heart rate can be calculated by any half decent red light pulsoximeter (albeit green light is proven to be more accurate), but Apple's crap being able to accurately give out a reading of the pressure wave? An accurate reading of the delta between RR peaks?
All I have here is a mere heart rate monitor and a patient that self-diagnosed. Big deal.

Please, it's fine if you want to be a desperate troll/fanboy (I edge on the former being the case), but leave medicine to professionals. You are plain out embarassing.

Oh, and who needs specific apps when Wear can be just part of an already existing one? Usual marketing tricks on Apple's behalf, but then again they need to cover up the gap somehow.

tiger

So, does your Moto use green light?

Did you see where Moto360 was on that CNET test? YIKES!

As with all Android Wear devices, might as well guess your heart rate from 0-200 and you still be MORE ACCURATE! LOL

Medical Professional like yourself? LOL. Let me guess you're an technician somewhere? How many years of tech school did you attend?

Moron, YOU mentioned Wear "apps", remember? What existing one? EVERYONE has said that Wear health app is severely LACKING. Pathetic was the word they used more than once.

It sounds like you backtrack more than a whore.

Leo

I love how angrier and more desperate you grow with each reply. I'm a cardiologist, kid :)

Please link me to said app. Ah, not CNET or The Verge or CultOfMac. Someone serious please.

And, once again, leave health to healthcare professionals. You are underqualified to comment technology, let alone medicine and its developments.

tiger

Cardiologist?! LOL Yeah, ok kid.

Moron, you don't count to six...too little time to get adequate reading! Who the hell taught you that? Are you in those Bahamas med school?!

Do you have a freshman with you all the time? Even when you sleep? BTW, do you know why this is important?

The speaker works on the Gear 2 port of Wear. Also works on the Ingenic SOC dev board as well.

kerrhome

Maybe there is NFC in there too? That would make my year!

JG

I'd imagine this is just them prepping the watch hardware wise for a potential future update. Like there was only one watch that had GPS when Google added support to the OS. This way, when Google adds speaker support, they're ready. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Google was at least considering adding speaker support in a future update (or were rumored to be at least).

Personally, I think it could be a useful add-on.

One use would be to have the watch answer voice searches. If I ask the phone if it's going to rain, it both displays the weather on screen and says "yes, it's going to rain today". Having the watch be able to respond in the same manner could be useful. It could also be useful with the Maps app. If I'm riding a bike, I'd have to look at my wrist when it buzzes letting me know a turn is ahead. But if it could say "Turn left at the next intersection"... Or if I'm driving, when it gets a text/HO/etc it could read the message to me, and repeat my response to ensure it heard me right...

Cool

Thank you. Somebody else has the same thought about this as me.

Honestly, I'd be happy if I could take a quick call from my watch. But the stuff you mentioned has been in my dreams.

tiger

Already on another device...an iOS device.

bikrame

Does it have NFC too ??

McLean Leline

The 1521 is the date code of the part. It was made in 2015 week 21. It not part of the part number. VER should state for version BC which is like a revision level. Also not part of the part number..

would it be possible that this speaker is used to generate vibrations, i don't see a vibrator motor from these angles

psuedonymous

"the speaker magnet doubles as a magnet for the charging cradle"

That is really super neat!

Cool

Yes! This is a new feature I'm hoping that the Marshmallow based update to Wear brings.

I'd sort of written off the new crop of Wear devices as being more of the same, hardware wise, but this gives me hope. I might be on the market for a Huawei watch, especially if it also has NFC!

Sruly J

Time for us to upgrade from our G Watches then ;)

Because there wasn't really anything in the recently released watches that the first round didn't have (notice I'm not calling them different generations), I haven't been rushing to get a new watch. The only reason I was thinking of getting the 360s was because of the size.

If I do get it though, I'd probably wait till they flood eBay because then I'd be able to use a gc, get cashback from a website, AND get eBay bucks (I'd probably wait till they have 4x or 5x offer, after all, in the last 2 weeks I've gotten both kinds of emails).

Here are the main requirements to get me to upgrade faster: GPS (not necessarily needed, but possibly handy), small size, NFC (mostly just because). I think there were more, but I'm drawing a blank.

tiger

Good luck getting the tiny GPS antenna to lock onto the satellites. See Garmin and Fitbit attempts...read their reviews.

Tiny GPS antenna + tiny battery powering it (and rest of watch) = waiting 15 min or more while it searches for satellites.

Sruly J

Thanks for that. Ok, so I'm crossing GPS off the list. (I probably wouldn't have used it anyways, so it's not a deal breaker.)

Sruly J

In related news, found a 360 1st gen on eBay for $89.75 . Thought about buying it, but by the time I looked 13 minutes later it got sold.

Cool

Not surprised. Those prices are plummeting like a rock on Jupiter.

I still wouldn't get a first generation Moto 360, though, just because of the slower SoC and propensity for the plastic back to crack. Huawei watch is promising, though, but I have all year to decide, as my LG G Watch is still ticking (metaphorically speaking, haha).

Sruly J

I'd make a joke about how your metaphor fell flat, but thankfully I caught it side I realized it was not over my head.
Incidentally, I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. It's impossible to put down.

My G Watch was a gift thanks to my Echo (living in a part of the country that's in the mountains, that could cause it to be loud if I go to certain parts). I have a survey giving me $40 for nothing. I'd have combined the 2 (and used part of a gc for a 360), but now I don't know, since I was unaware of the backing issue.

Funny you should bring up the Huawei watch. Since I've never heard anyone pronounce it IRL, someone told me they thought it was nice. Of course, I didn't know what they were talking about since it sounded that wa-way (Although now I realize that that may actually be closer to the correct way).

I apologize for the puns, I usually find therm dull and lifeless, sorta like a limp pickle.

Cool

Huawei does sounds like "wah-way" and somehow I'd forced myself to pronounce it correctly for years. All the way back to the old original Huawei Ascend.

Still debating on whether I'd own the Huawei Nexus or not. Usually not a fan of larger phones but my perspective has softened recently since my wife has had her Asus ZenFone 2, which is not a small phone by any stretch of the imagination. But with no 64 GB option in the LG Nexus 5, we'll have to see. This has been kind of a crummy year for upgrading, at least in my opinion.

Sruly J

Just in case, I made a back-up plan for my next phone if I don't get the 5X. Since I'm having issues verifying my back-up, I made a back-up to my back-up.

Ironically, when I do a search on my back-up plan, there's an article which goes through if one should get that, or the 5X.

I decided I can live with the memory limitations, because with the exception of 2 photos which I need to figure out what to do with, all my pictures are in Photos. As for certain files I currently have, those will be gone by the time I upgrade (hopefully, seeing as how some are from 2013). The thing is though, my carrier is SO annoying with new phones now, and I'd rather not lease OR pay it off over the course of a contract. So sadly I may have to tearfully say buy to the 5X (unless I win one in a contest from AP or a different site)

Cool

I have 2 small kids, and as they are getting older they're doing more stuff that necessitates me taking more videos and pictures , which is why I wanted more space (plays, recitals, open house, etc).

32 GB is fine for now, but I want to future proof for a few years. I know that I can upload or offload videos in between stuff, but 1 or 2 hours of video in 1080p or higher takes up a lot of space. So, 64 gigabytes would be really nice in the new Nexus 5. But I won't hold my breath. At least my wife's Asus ZenFone 2 has 64 gigabytes of space plus the SD card. Yay.

Sergio Carmona

Your teardowns rock!

Roto

I'm not up to date enough on Project Ara to know how its shaping up, but I've wondered, if/when smart watches mature, such a project may be perfectly suited to watches? (as they are usually expected to last longer and be kept longer, than phones) What do you think David?

Typeslipus

Its the government secretly recording you. Make sure to get a rid a this Satan infested additional unwanted speaker.
How do i know this shit? Because I did some shit and had the FBI all over my ass the other day.

(FUCK YOU HUAWEI FUCK THE FBI FUCK THE POLICE)

tiger

Would it not be the CHINESE government that is spying on you?

Sruly J

What's wrong with having the FBI all over you? Sounds like quite an adventure in that one would be on their list.

Any of you knows how long the battery will long in the run? Is the battery service replaceable?

Chris David

Where is the battery located? Is it underneath the motherboard? Does taking the watch apart require the replacement of any gaskets?

I am trying to gauge how difficult replacing the battery would be when it eventually goes bad.

Marty

Are you not allowed to show the display removed? I'm trying to see how Huawei handles the display hardware so as to compare it to the Moto360.

The 360 has a flat tire and the Huawei Watch doesn't. The flat tire of the 360 is there as a display cutout to not block the sensors attached to the motherboard.

Some people say the flat tire is there for display hardware attachment and the teardown shows differently. Other than the ribbon connector, there is nothing else attached to the display. The Huawei Watch also has to have a ribbon connector. But why it doesn't have a flat tire for the ribbon connector is what I want to see so I can decisively refute those who claim otherwise about the Moto360 flat tire.