@Alenaveda: Interesting idea! I'm beginning to wonder if Brenchel gets fairly lost and Art\JJ make the finish line mistake.

As I said, is a crazy shot; but I saw Chateau d'If work with the time of the day of the leg, and Bcp19 map, and your commentary about the 1500 feets aguing , and I thought "why?": why are they arguing? why are they there? why are they walking 1500 feets across the park? And how did they reached the park? Distance looks too short for a chopper or the jet ski ride - speaking of time (I've never been in the place, and perhaps someone who knows it could correct me about it, what it's fine) -. So maybe they had to travel by cab, and maybe Brendon said Sand Island Park instead of Sand Island Parkway. I found Aloha Jet Ski with the Google map, and it's placed in that street, in the same direction they are walking. I understand it's a weird hypotesis, but is just a hypotesis.

@Alenaveda: Interesting idea! I'm beginning to wonder if Brenchel gets fairly lost and Art\JJ make the finish line mistake.

As I said, is a crazy shot; but I saw Chateau d'If work with the time of the day of the leg, and Bcp19 map, and your commentary about the 1500 feets aguing , and I thought "why?": why are they arguing? why are they there? why are they walking 1500 feets across the park? And how did they reached the park? Distance looks too short for a chopper or the jet ski ride - speaking of time (I've never been in the place, and perhaps someone who knows it could correct me about it, what it's fine) -. So maybe they had to travel by cab, and maybe Brendon said Sand Island Park instead of Sand Island Parkway. I found Aloha Jet Ski with the Google map, and it's placed in that street, in the same direction they are walking. I understand it's a weird hypotesis, but is just a hypotesis.

All very logical, but since I think I located the cluebox they are running to, it looks like they drove/taxi to the first parking lot at the park, got the clue, then continued across the park while arguing. I can't figure out why they'd go through the park though. Maybe the far end of the park is where they have to go for the Helo ride? Otherwise, it's be like a 3 mile walk to the JetSki place, which would be a heckofa walk.

@Alenaveda: Interesting idea! I'm beginning to wonder if Brenchel gets fairly lost and Art\JJ make the finish line mistake.

As I said, is a crazy shot; but I saw Chateau d'If work with the time of the day of the leg, and Bcp19 map, and your commentary about the 1500 feets aguing , and I thought "why?": why are they arguing? why are they there? why are they walking 1500 feets across the park? And how did they reached the park? Distance looks too short for a chopper or the jet ski ride - speaking of time (I've never been in the place, and perhaps someone who knows it could correct me about it, what it's fine) -. So maybe they had to travel by cab, and maybe Brendon said Sand Island Park instead of Sand Island Parkway. I found Aloha Jet Ski with the Google map, and it's placed in that street, in the same direction they are walking. I understand it's a weird hypotesis, but is just a hypotesis.

All very logical, but since I think I located the cluebox they are running to, it looks like they drove/taxi to the first parking lot at the park, got the clue, then continued across the park while arguing. I can't figure out why they'd go through the park though. Maybe the far end of the park is where they have to go for the Helo ride? Otherwise, it's be like a 3 mile walk to the JetSki place, which would be a heckofa walk.

That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us.

That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us.

If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.

That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us.

If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.

First: ¡Ahhh, you mean that pic! I thought you were talking about a new one. My apologies.Second: We agree about the taxi ride. . (no chopper no jetski)Third: According to your spec, clue must especify that they must walk to the next task o route marker/info because it should be close to that place. If they found the clue box you skillfully located without problem - and I mean not wasting too much time - , and they are doing what the clue demands, the question is "what are they arguing about?" (or maybe is just another of Rachel's "drama queen moments").

That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us.

If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.

First: ¡Ahhh, you mean that pic! I thought you were talking about a new one. My apologies.Second: We agree about the taxi ride. . (no chopper no jetski)Third: According to your spec, clue must especify that they must walk to the next task o route marker/info because it should be close to that place. If they found the clue box you skillfully located without problem - and I mean not wasting too much time - , and they are doing what the clue demands, the question is "what are they arguing about?" (or maybe is just another of Rachel's "drama queen moments").

I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.

I don't think Brenchel was on the towers for an hour. For one thing Chateau's shadow time was less than an hour from the time of Brendon's pic. The picture that is time stamped as an hour afterwards says the time was "modified" somehow.

Also I don't think the helo ride is from Sand Island because they still need to do the jetskis and the land surfing before they go to the finish line.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.

I don't think Brenchel was on the towers for an hour. For one thing Chateau's shadow time was less than an hour from the time of Brendon's pic. The picture that is time stamped as an hour afterwards says the time was "modified" somehow.

Also I don't think the helo ride is from Sand Island because they still need to do the jetskis and the land surfing before they go to the finish line.

Welll, Google map estimate the time of a car ride between One Waterfront Towers and Sand Island Park in 14 minutes more or less. You also have to consider that December 19th was a Monday, what I suppose that means more traffic than a weekend. So Chateau could be right about the time window for the caps.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.

I don't think Brenchel was on the towers for an hour. For one thing Chateau's shadow time was less than an hour from the time of Brendon's pic. The picture that is time stamped as an hour afterwards says the time was "modified" somehow.

Also I don't think the helo ride is from Sand Island because they still need to do the jetskis and the land surfing before they go to the finish line.

I thought the general consensus was that the JetSkis were on the North Shore or Windward side, which is why I was thinking a Helo ride from sand island made sense. Also, it seems obvious that Brenchel walked across the park for something, and there is nothing where they are headed. Too bad no one has a way of checking old flight plans, as I'm fairly sure you'd be able to figure something from them.

That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us.

If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.

First: ¡Ahhh, you mean that pic! I thought you were talking about a new one. My apologies.Second: We agree about the taxi ride. . (no chopper no jetski)Third: According to your spec, clue must especify that they must walk to the next task o route marker/info because it should be close to that place. If they found the clue box you skillfully located without problem - and I mean not wasting too much time - , and they are doing what the clue demands, the question is "what are they arguing about?" (or maybe is just another of Rachel's "drama queen moments").

I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.

There's a possible number 4 option: they got the clue at 1097 Sand Island Parkway clue box, and the clue could say something like "look for the jetskis (or the next task) on some especific location of Sand Island Park's beach" and maybe Brendon believed that it was close to the clue box's place, and that's why they released the taxi. According to your map, it's a straight direction walk to the portion of beach in front of the clue box location. When they found nothing there, maybe they asked somebody for help, they were told that is near the blue square point, what makes Rachel give us another of her drama queen moments because of the long walk, blaming Brendon for the mistake and - as you stated - the loss of time.(Just another theory <)

That's why I said "someone who knows it could correct me about it"; and I haven't seen yet the promo pic you're talking about (at least at the moment I made my previous post); pic that you can maybe post and share it with us.

If you look on Page 6, a couple posts past the vid cap, you see R/D in the upper left with D taking off gloves, R/B in the upper right, heading towards a clue box, A/J lower left on a dock and R/V lower right with a blacked out background. Using Googlemaps, I am about 99% sure I found the location where the cluebox B/R are running towards was, which is on the east side of the park that you later see them walking through and arguing in the vid. My $.02, they take a taxi/drive to the cluebox location, get out and run to it, run back and get their backpacks, head through park and argue. They are over 1/2 a mile from the cluebox where Rachel throws her bag at Brendon.

First: ¡Ahhh, you mean that pic! I thought you were talking about a new one. My apologies.Second: We agree about the taxi ride. . (no chopper no jetski)Third: According to your spec, clue must especify that they must walk to the next task o route marker/info because it should be close to that place. If they found the clue box you skillfully located without problem - and I mean not wasting too much time - , and they are doing what the clue demands, the question is "what are they arguing about?" (or maybe is just another of Rachel's "drama queen moments").

I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the drama queen. Considering what we know of the timeline, R/B finished the towers 2nd and it seems likely they saw the 1st place team leave, so they KNOW they are not in 1st. I don't know about the 1st place team, but it is known that B/R were on top of the towers for close to an hour before descending. If anything held them up, I can see her falling apart, since 1) they have no idea how many tasks there will be(ie: time to possibly catch up), 2) they know they are not in 1st and possibly 3) the helo ride is from the park AND at scheduled intervals, which puts them that much farther behind. This close to the end, she is going to be over the top, just like during BB last year. Edit: Maybe they even ran out of money and had to walk.

There's a possible number 4 option: they got the clue at 1097 Sand Island Parkway clue box, and the clue could say something like "look for the jetskis (or the next task) on some especific location of Sand Island Park's beach" and maybe Brendon believed that it was close to the clue box's place, and that's why they released the taxi. According to your map, it's a straight direction walk to the portion of beach in front of the clue box location. When they found nothing there, maybe they asked somebody for help, they were told that is near the blue square point, what makes Rachel give us another of her drama queen moments because of the long walk, blaming Brendon for the mistake and - as you stated - the loss of time.(Just another theory <)

About the time question, in the TAR20 transport thread (reply number 189), Peach showed a schedule of the flights departing Osaka to Honolulu, where we can see that the arrivals were on a time window between 8.31 to 9.32am. We don't know if teams did purchased those flights - even they looked as the most probable choice -; but if this is right, it's a 15-20 minutes travel by taxi to One Waterfront Towers from the airport (I found in Google maps 3 differents routes to reach O.T.W. from there). So, if teams flyed to Honolulu in the first flight (spec, and the rest from now on too), add the proper time of Migrations procedures and catch a cab outside the terminal, traffic, make the way up and descent, go to the park in a taxi, etc., and we can have the times Chateau was talking about.

1. Teams arrive on the same flight 2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... 4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters

What we DON'T KNOW:

1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done3. The full story of points 3-8 above

1. Teams arrive on the same flight 2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... 4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters

What we DON'T KNOW:

1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done3. The full story of points 3-8 above

Is 1 absolutely known? I can see the 15 minute delay due to, say, customs/taxis between R/D and R/B arriving at the towers, but I thought I read in the live discussions a couple months back(don't see the all pictures I remember now) that the third team (A/J?) was over an hour after the first 2 at the tower(Memory may be faulty, but I thought at the time concensus was R/D were the 3rd team). Maybe 6/7 are Detour options(admittedly unlikely since they shy away from final leg detours)? The person in the water looked like a random person, not a teammate, maybe each person has to perform the detour, like the taxi driving course earlier in the race?

Possible turnaround reasons: The papa holua run. You see Art falling off and then pounding the ground, maybe they were supposed to make a full run top to bottom, and one team simply got back on after falling and continued?

1. Teams arrive on the same flight 2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... 4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters

What we DON'T KNOW:

1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done3. The full story of points 3-8 above

1. Teams arrive on the same flight 2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... 4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters

What we DON'T KNOW:

1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done3. The full story of points 3-8 above

Is 1 absolutely known? I can see the 15 minute delay due to, say, customs/taxis between R/D and R/B arriving at the towers, but I thought I read in the live discussions a couple months back(don't see the all pictures I remember now) that the third team (A/J?) was over an hour after the first 2 at the tower(Memory may be faulty, but I thought at the time concensus was R/D were the 3rd team). Maybe 6/7 are Detour options(admittedly unlikely since they shy away from final leg detours)? The person in the water looked like a random person, not a teammate, maybe each person has to perform the detour, like the taxi driving course earlier in the race?

Possible turnaround reasons: The papa holua run. You see Art falling off and then pounding the ground, maybe they were supposed to make a full run top to bottom, and one team simply got back on after falling and continued?

I don't remember any evidence of Art and JJ's time. The pictures of them doing the tower task do not have any time info.

I also still do not think that the roadblock taskmaster will hand the team a clue if they did not perform the task correctly. This means that the team has completely missed the RB. It probably also means that the location of that RB is near the finish line.

1. Teams arrive on the same flight 2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... 4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters

What we DON'T KNOW:

1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done3. The full story of points 3-8 above

Is 1 absolutely known? I can see the 15 minute delay due to, say, customs/taxis between R/D and R/B arriving at the towers, but I thought I read in the live discussions a couple months back(don't see the all pictures I remember now) that the third team (A/J?) was over an hour after the first 2 at the tower(Memory may be faulty, but I thought at the time concensus was R/D were the 3rd team). Maybe 6/7 are Detour options(admittedly unlikely since they shy away from final leg detours)? The person in the water looked like a random person, not a teammate, maybe each person has to perform the detour, like the taxi driving course earlier in the race?

Possible turnaround reasons: The papa holua run. You see Art falling off and then pounding the ground, maybe they were supposed to make a full run top to bottom, and one team simply got back on after falling and continued?

I don't remember any evidence of Art and JJ's time. The pictures of them doing the tower task do not have any time info.

I also still do not think that the roadblock taskmaster will hand the team a clue if they did not perform the task correctly. This means that the team has completely missed the RB. It probably also means that the location of that RB is near the finish line.

I don't remember a time in what I read, I remember mention of 2 teams virtually there at the same time, though there was mention that the 2nd team was on the roof for an hour, which appears to have later been refuted, and a mention of 1 team having been there much later(which I cannot now find). Pictures I remember at the time... 1) Brenchel of course, easy to identify, 2) Art and JJ, only M/M team left, and speculation whether D/R or V/R were there, with general concensus being D/R cause of a red? shirt. Since this appears to be the 1st task, and due to the timelines involved, IF the 3rd team was that far behind, you'd think they were on a separate flight.

I admit you are correct, they should not receive a clue without having completed it, so that points more to a missed RB. Scenario: Teams receive a clue telling them "Travel by xxxx(taxi/car/bus/boat) to yyyy and search for your next clue". Team A arrives and notices a marked path and finds the clue box which directs them to do the RB. Team A then completes the roadblock and is given a clue telling them something like "Find the windmill to receive your next clue"(similar to detours when a U-Turn is just before the clue box). Team B arrives and starts searching(missing seeing the marked path), but happen to see team A making a mad dash away from the windmill, so they run over there and find a cluebox, never realizing they got the wrong one.