#raspberrypi IRC Log

IRC Log for 2012-12-28

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[0:00]* sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-193-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) has joined #raspberrypi[0:01]* sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-193-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) Quit (Max SendQ exceeded)[0:01]* sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-193-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) has joined #raspberrypi[0:01]<viric> chithead: you talk about BUILDCC[0:01]<viric> HOSTCC is a compiler that builds for the target.[0:01]<viric> But in any case, that only applies to cross-compiling, which is not the vcase.[0:01]<viric> case.[0:02]<TobiasTheViking> uh, progress[0:02]<TobiasTheViking> still fails[0:02]<TobiasTheViking> distccd[30357] (dcc_job_summary) client: 127.0.0.1:35721 COMPILE_ERROR exit:1 sig:0 core:0 ret:0 time:409ms cc libavformat/act.c[0:03]<TobiasTheViking> distccd[30359] (dcc_job_summary) client: 127.0.0.1:35723 COMPILE_ERROR exit:1 sig:0 core:0 ret:0 time:337ms cc libavformat/asfdec.c[0:03]<TobiasTheViking> this is the first time it has actually tried[0:03]<TomWij> TobiasTheViking: Is that the output from the server?[0:03]<TomWij> Because 127.0.0.1 is concerning... That's localhost again.[0:04]<TobiasTheViking> that's from server yes[0:05]<TobiasTheViking> i'm doing an ssh forward, client also has "localhost:3632" as the target host[0:05]* blink258 (~blink@108-196-64-135.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:05]<blink258> hello[0:06]<SquirrelCZECH> guys[0:06]<TAFB_ssd> hello blink182 :)[0:06]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: http://paste.debian.net/219675/[0:06]* bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) has joined #raspberrypi[0:07]<TobiasTheViking> in case you see something[0:07]<blink258> I just got my raspberry pi today and put raspbmc on it, but I am having a problem with CEC[0:07]<SquirrelCZECH> situatuin: I have webcam, my laptop with same kernel as my arm-board (raspberry debian) recognize the webcam, while arm-board not[0:07]<SquirrelCZECH> what can I do?[0:07]<TAFB_ssd> is CEC the TV communication thing? I wish I could turn it off, my Pi is burning my pasma TV so bad :([0:08]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: i guess i could get the rPI to not use localhost, by forwarding to another unit(my lappy that has the distcc host is on an entirely different network from teh rPI.)[0:08]<blink258> I have an onkyo rt-390 receiver and I would like to be able to use the remote to navigate through menus[0:08]* markit (~marco@88-149-177-66.v4.ngi.it) Quit ()[0:08]<blink258> I am not sure if there is a setting or something that has to be turned on or if its just not compatible with my receiver[0:12]* hawkal (~root@host81-155-238-190.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:12]* thomashunter (~thomashun@c-67-167-132-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:13]* KuchenKerze (~kuchenker@p4FDFD061.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:14]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: i believe that my /usr/lib/distcc/cc should be changed into something else for it to work on my host[0:15]<TobiasTheViking> i mean, it doesn't say arm when it run's on my host, isn't that what would cause it to fail[0:15]* XenGi is now known as XenGi_[0:15]<TobiasTheViking> meh, no arm-linux-gnueabihf-cc :([0:16]* KuchenKerze (~kuchenker@p4FDFD061.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[0:19]* lars_t_h (~lars_t_h@002129149047.mbb.telenor.dk) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[0:19]<dr_willis> SquirrelCZECH: see what module the webcam is loading. it may be the other pc dopsent have the same module or for some reason is not loading it[0:19]<TomWij> chithead: "some software" is only a small subset of software though, autoconf/automake doesn't have a notion of a host compiler and if there were one it would be introduced by the developer and often can be overridden by setting a target. And for those small amount of packages that are non-standard, the upstream developer better fixes it and it wouldn't be too hard to patch them either.[0:20]<TomWij> But well, I mainly leverage distcc although I might switch to a "cross-compile --> package --> send to RPi --> install" script later if I feel like it.[0:20]* m1k3 (~m1k3@pool-74-111-37-215.syrcny.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: m1k3)[0:20]* chandoo (~chandoo@ool-ad032250.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[0:21]<TomWij> TobiasTheViking: Yes that /usr/lib/distcc/cc would need to be a wrapper to turn it into the long version.[0:21]<TobiasTheViking> could i see yours?[0:21]* timmmaaaayyy (~anonymous@cpe-74-73-185-27.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:21]<TobiasTheViking> http://paste.debian.net/219677/ <- this is mine now[0:21]<TomWij> It symlinks to a file which has as first line the typical bash shebang, and as second line: exec /usr/lib/distcc/bin/armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-g${0:$[-2]} "$@"[0:22]<TobiasTheViking> guddi, do i need to convert any of the other ones in there? (from my last pastebin)[0:22]<TomWij> You will want to have the short ones symlink to a bash wrapper script[0:23]<TobiasTheViking> k[0:23]<TobiasTheViking> just for cc?[0:23]<TomWij> All the short ones.[0:23]<hockey51> My Pi isn't recognizing my other SD card[0:23]<TobiasTheViking> thanks :)[0:23]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[0:24]<TomWij> Your wrapper script might vary though, the ${...} trick works for mine, but you seem to have some more shorter ones that have version numbers so dunno how you would deal with those. If needed you could create multiple wrapper scripts.[0:24]* Yachtsman (~Yachtsman@173.7.118.234) Quit (Quit: gogo)[0:24]<TobiasTheViking> wait, so i symlink armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-g${0:$[-2]} to distcc, and i symlink cc to the wrapper script above, that calls the armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi-g${0:$[-2]} ?[0:24]<TobiasTheViking> i get the bash in my paste don't worry :)[0:24]<TobiasTheViking> just seems kinda cirkular, hence my question[0:25]<TobiasTheViking> s/k/c/[0:26]* Moopington_ (~mason@24-151-40-55.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) has left #raspberrypi[0:28]* cliff-hm (~cperry@5e0edcf4.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[0:28]<TobiasTheViking> more joy.[0:29]* TobiasTheViking installs stuff[0:29]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: i think it's working[0:31]<TobiasTheViking> hah, wait what... now configure fails!!![0:32]<Macer> wow[0:32]<Macer> http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/[0:32]<Macer> that case is great for an ir port :)[0:33]<Macer> well. ir receiver[0:33]<Macer> i just wired it up and it's working.. good stuff.. the other case i had looked sloppy[0:35]<TomWij> TobiasTheViking: It isn't circular. Compilation finds long version? Calls long version which calls distcc. Compilation finds short version? Calls short version which calls the wrapper which calls the long version which calls distcc.[0:35]<TomWij> And yeah, configure on XBMC will fail a few times until you get all the libraries and such.[0:35]<TobiasTheViking> well, if i can get configure to work again, i believe it is working now :D[0:35]<TobiasTheViking> already got it to compile locally. got a boost error. I Think it had to do with me doing the PATH trick for distcc, and then the rename.[0:36]* XenGi_ is now known as XenGi[0:37]* m1k3 (~m1k3@pool-74-111-37-215.syrcny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:39]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: yeah, worked untill it hit /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.6/cc1plus[0:39]* Syliss (~Home@adsl-108-94-48-239.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Syliss)[0:39]* hawkal (~root@host81-155-238-190.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has left #raspberrypi[0:41]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: do i need to make -j4 to send 4 processes to the host?[0:41]<TobiasTheViking> or can a /4 do that?[0:41]* klm[_] (milkman@unaffiliated/klm-/x-7727058) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[0:42]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@206.162.237.238) Quit (Quit: Mike-N-Go)[0:46]<TobiasTheViking> and running, compile again, i think CC="distcc arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc" is required[0:47]<TomWij> TobiasTheViking: Both.[0:47]<TomWij> -j4 will get make to try 4 jobs, /4 will get distcc to support 4 jobs.[0:48]<TomWij> (It supports a certain number by default, but if you want to go above that limit you'll want to configure it)[0:48]<TobiasTheViking> thanks[0:48]* m1k3 (~m1k3@pool-74-111-37-215.syrcny.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: m1k3)[0:49]* klm[_] (~null@unaffiliated/klm-/x-7727058) has joined #raspberrypi[0:51]* fayimora_ (~fayimora@95.175.159.8) has joined #raspberrypi[0:51]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@64.203.116.167) has joined #raspberrypi[0:51]* fayimora (~fayimora@2a01:388:201:3721:486c:532b:61b3:25bf) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[0:51]* fayimora_ is now known as fayimora[0:52]<TomWij> TobiasTheViking: Guess you need to replicate that cc1plus in the PATH trick as well.[0:52]<TomWij> But yeah, if you know / can set the compiler explicitly, that'll work as well.[0:52]* lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk[0:52]<TomWij> I think if you pass the compiler as first argument to distcc it will end up using that on the host.[0:52]<TomWij> (Otherwise it uses the symlink)[0:53]* m1k3 (~m1k3@pool-74-111-37-215.syrcny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:53]* Haaninjo (~anders@85.8.55.65) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[0:54]* Tirili (~opera@dslc-082-083-146-133.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #raspberrypi[0:54]* Alfihar (~Yuuka@siberios.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Bye Bye)[0:57]<TobiasTheViking> heh, i can't seem to make it work in any stable manner. i kill the compile, and restart it, it works, kill and restart, it does'nt even try, kill and restart it works..[0:58]<TobiasTheViking> and it is quite clearly when i do -j4 :/[0:59]<Tirili> Hi[0:59]<Tirili> I have the following sound-problem using raspbian:[1:00]<Tirili> I can play a .wav file using aplay, but I cannot play it using vlc. vlc only produces some noises at the beginning.[1:00]* Kane (~Kane@79.53.197.77.rev.sfr.net) Quit (Quit: Night all o/)[1:00]* XenGi is now known as XenGi_[1:00]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: ok, you wear talking about pumping? that was just a few more utils i have to symlink in the same dir?[1:00]<TobiasTheViking> or is there more to the process[1:00]<Tirili> I had to put snd_bcm2835 into /etc/modules to hear anything at all.[1:01]<Tirili> Why can vlc not play the wav file? Do you have a hint for me?[1:01]<Tirili> I installed vlc using apt-get .[1:01]<TomWij> TobiasTheViking: Yes, pumping.[1:02]<TobiasTheViking> Tirili: besides checking vlc log and check it uses the correct audio device, no idea.[1:02]<TomWij> TobiasTheViking: You will want to cover any compiler that you want to distcc is that dir.[1:02]<TomWij> But well, it seems your setup is slightly more complex; I don't have thinks like cc1plus.[1:03]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: great, compile failed. and i have no clue if it is in master, or my distcc crap :??[1:03]<Tachyon`> it should be able to play wav?[1:03]<TobiasTheViking> cc1plus is just a symlink from something else i'm sure..[1:03]<Tachyon`> are you sure your wav is actually a wav and not something renamed as that[1:03]<Tirili> Great! :D[1:03]<TobiasTheViking> it gets covered by arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++ i believe[1:03]<Tirili> I had to select alsa in vlc settings![1:03]<Tirili> Thank you very muich TobiasTheViking![1:04]<TobiasTheViking> np[1:04]<TomWij> Tirili: Sounds like it tried PulseAudio or so... :D[1:05]<Tirili> It was set to "default"[1:05]<Tirili> Whatever that is.[1:07]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: did you "sed -i 's/-msse2//' lib/libsquish/Makefile" to compile xbmc?[1:08]* Syliss (~Home@adsl-108-94-48-239.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:08]<TomWij> TobiasTheViking: s/ -DSQUISH_USE_SSE=2 -msse2//g[1:08]<TobiasTheViking> yeah, have that one too[1:08]<TobiasTheViking> just, my guide is pretty old.[1:09]<TobiasTheViking> i guess that might be one reason it failed, i forgot to do that :D[1:09]<TomWij> Someone should just file more pull requests against xbmc instead of these hacks. :D[1:09]* blink258 (~blink@108-196-64-135.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: irc2go)[1:09]* DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) has joined #raspberrypi[1:10]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: at some point next year i'm going to join github. might do it then if it is still required[1:10]<TobiasTheViking> for now, building a local build script(that does the nice distcc stuff for me too)[1:11]* SgrA (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[1:12]* XenGi_ is now known as XenGi[1:12]<TobiasTheViking> getting pissed at my local mercurial server[1:12]* monkeyhybrid (~monkeyhyb@unaffiliated/monkeyhybrid) has joined #raspberrypi[1:14]* thomashunter (~thomashun@c-67-167-132-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: thomashunter)[1:14]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2)[1:14]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@64.203.116.167) Quit (Quit: Mike-N-Go)[1:14]* monkeyhybrid (~monkeyhyb@unaffiliated/monkeyhybrid) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[1:15]* aphadke (~Adium@c-71-198-5-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[1:17]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined #raspberrypi[1:17]* thomashunter (~thomashun@c-67-167-132-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:18]<TobiasTheViking> TomWij: i've been thinking of having root on NFS, and just have temp files and initrd on the sd card..[1:23]* SgrA (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) has joined #raspberrypi[1:24]* SuperMiguel (6c099304@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.9.147.4) has joined #raspberrypi[1:27]<SuperMiguel> any of you guys have experience with webcam server+raspberry?[1:27]* dniMretsaM (~quassel@cpe-66-61-13-19.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[1:28]* bs123 (~bs123@78-86-194-10.zone2.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[1:29]<mbalho> SuperMiguel: i tried a few usb webcams but couldnt get a decent framerate[1:30]* Alfihar (~Yuuka@siberios.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[1:30]<mbalho> SuperMiguel: raspi foundation is working on a video camera attachment that will work well[1:30]<SuperMiguel> mbalho im trying a ms webcam, but it doesnt update fast enough[1:30]<SuperMiguel> but if i push f5 on my browser it does have the updated frame in there[1:32]* jheronimus (~ilembitov@0893866514.static.corbina.ru) has joined #raspberrypi[1:33]<jheronimus> Hi. Can't get my router to forward ports for SSH access. Have static IP, added rules for forwarding - doesn't work[1:33]* m1k3 (~m1k3@pool-74-111-37-215.syrcny.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: m1k3)[1:34]<dr_willis> Hmm.[1:34]<dr_willis> tried some other port then the default ssh ports?[1:35]<SuperMiguel> mbalho: were you using motion?[1:35]<jheronimus> dr_willis: no, I'll try that now[1:35]<mbalho> SuperMiguel: i was using fswebcam[1:35]<dr_willis> I always set up port forwarding where i ssh into my home lan from outside on like port 3322 and the router then forwards it to 22 on the right pc in the lan dise[1:35]<dr_willis> side[1:36]<dr_willis> had where some public access hotspots block 22 and other ports[1:36]<rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/[1:36]<rikkib> http://122.61.65.146/motion/[1:36]<rikkib> 2 RPi web cams[1:37]<dr_willis> Hmm. well raspbmc was playing a video then the screen went black. sound was still playing.. trying same video xbian... seems to be playing fine.[1:37]<rikkib> One you can see one you can only see the caps[1:38]<rikkib> I use motion running under an old kernel (7th month) New kernel broken last time I tried[1:38]<rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz:8081[1:38]<rikkib> raw vid at 1fps[1:39]<rikkib> mjpeg actually[1:40]<SuperMiguel> rikkib: what server you using?[1:40]<SuperMiguel> rikkib: motion?[1:40]<rikkib> I run motion on the RPi and for the gateway server[1:41]<SuperMiguel> rikkib: how come mine doesnt update? it just an still image?[1:41]* jheronimus (~ilembitov@0893866514.static.corbina.ru) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[1:41]* cozmic\ (cozmic@89-160-133-29.du.xdsl.is) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[1:41]* ahven (~kala@194.126.113.140) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[1:41]<rikkib> I use my home server as an aggregation for internal cams[1:41]<rikkib> What browser?[1:42]<rikkib> IE no go[1:42]<rikkib> mozilla or chrome do go[1:42]<rikkib> firefox[1:42]<SuperMiguel> rikkib: well yours it looks like its updating[1:42]<SuperMiguel> but my server doesnt update[1:42]<SuperMiguel> im thinking i need to enable something[1:42]<rikkib> Keep playing with motion cfg[1:43]<rikkib> Go down to min and work your way up[1:43]* [SLB] is now known as [SLB]`[1:44]<SuperMiguel> i can see a bunch of jpg being created but the image stays the same[1:44]<rikkib> hmmm[1:44]<FunkyELF> went out and got a multi meter.... tore apart a usb cable and man are those little wires small. I measured 5.12 out of the little wall charger[1:44]* bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[1:44]<rikkib> Do you want to see my cfg?[1:44]<SuperMiguel> sure[1:45]<rikkib> Take me a minute to transfer to my web site[1:45]* thomashunter (~thomashun@c-67-167-132-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: thomashunter)[1:47]* thomashunter (~thomashun@c-67-167-132-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[1:50]<rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/motion.conf[1:50]<SuperMiguel> thxs[1:51]<Orb> oh, i use motion[1:51]<Orb> http://cam.chrispo.org[1:51]<rikkib> Some cams need the default as in these lines.. # Image width (pixels). Valid range: Camera dependent, default: 352[1:51]<rikkib> width 320[1:51]<rikkib> # Image height (pixels). Valid range: Camera dependent, default: 288[1:51]<rikkib> height 240[1:51]* peetaur2 (~peter@hmbg-4d06835c.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[1:52]<rikkib> Orb, Needs a plugin[1:53]<rikkib> No plugin found[1:54]<Orb> well, yeah, it needs VLC[1:54]* tektsu (~Adium@wsip-174-79-34-244.ph.ph.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[1:54]<FunkyELF> So... I measured 5.12 on a USB cable that I tore apart.[1:54]<Orb> depending on your browser, it should detect that.[1:54]<FunkyELF> After I plugged the Pi in and tested TP1 to TP2 I got 4.88[1:55]<FunkyELF> is that normal... is it bad?[1:55]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) Quit (Quit: Gadget-Mac)[1:55]<IT_Sean> it's low[1:55]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[1:55]<IT_Sean> It's not TOO low... But, it's low.[1:55]<FunkyELF> this is just a wall wart usb charger for my phone.... where can I get a good one in the USA?[1:56]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) has joined #raspberrypi[1:56]<netw1z> anyone successfully have bluetooth working with a headset to record audio into the Rpi ?[1:56]<Orb> Give that a try, if you don't mind, rikkib[1:56]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) has joined #raspberrypi[1:56]<netw1z> im bloody bedevilled like a haddock on a hook[1:58]* jackyyll (~ax@jackyyll.seedstuff.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[2:00]<rikkib> Orb, Nothing[2:02]* DMackey (~DMackey@ord-69-171-163-204.evdo.leapwireless.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:05]<Orb> i guess i meant perhaps you could install vlc, but, that is asking a lot - nothing interesting on the video anyway[2:05]<rikkib> I have vlc on several machines[2:05]<rikkib> I tried on Linux and Win98[2:05]<Orb> it would have to be a browser plugin[2:06]<Orb> i only know of it to work on xp and 7[2:06]<Orb> well, it works with ubuntu too[2:06]<Orb> but it's an embedded video.[2:06]<rikkib> My cam works on anything that can run mozilla, firefox, chrome or VLC[2:07]<rikkib> No IE[2:07]<Orb> it really should work.[2:07]<FunkyELF> anybody know where I can get a regulated USB power supply?[2:08]<Tirili> Here's my next question: I have a logitech z4 2.1 sound system and a sennheiser pc230 headset. Will I be able to connect the headset with the z4 and record my voice on the raspi?[2:08]<Amadiro> as opposed to... a non-regulated usb power supply?[2:08]<rikkib> My cam pointed at screen[2:08]<rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/[2:09]<Orb> you could probably point vlc to http://chrispo.org:5000 (that's not a browser url)[2:09]<dr_willis> FunkyELF: someone was posting some URLS to some electronic kit power supplies the other day for like $8 but you had to wire in your own plugs.[2:10]<rikkib> Now I have a stream[2:11]* Gorroth (~grimwm@static-129-44-59-238.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[2:12]<Gorroth> hey all[2:12]<Tirili> I have an "aux input jack" on the z4 and the z4 itself only has one connector which is painted green. Can I put a headset into the z4 and the z4 into the black circular jack of the raspi?[2:12]<Gorroth> i do believe tonight is the night i setup one of my RPi's to handle all DNS in the household[2:12]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[2:12]<rikkib> haha picture of my screen showing your cam with my cam[2:12]* RaycisCharles (MrBojangle@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit ()[2:13]<Gorroth> have you guys had any experience using the RPi as a small server? like, does the thing eventually burnout if plugged in for days at a time?[2:13]<dr_willis> Gorroth: testing mine out now. ;) as a dlna server.[2:14]<FunkyELF> dr_willis: this one seems good.... https://www.adafruit.com/products/501[2:14]<dr_willis> xbian seems to take like 90% cpu even when idling at the gui. left that oin for several days now[2:14]<rikkib> Orb, What distro are you running and how are you able to get cam stable?[2:14]<FunkyELF> it says it is regulated at 5.25 because of the resistance of the wires it should be about 5V by the time it hits the Pi[2:14]<Gorroth> dr_willis: okay, sweet[2:14]<rikkib> If I try to run a cam on new kernel a uvc vid bug kills the cam after a short time[2:15]<rikkib> The only way to get a stab;e cam is to run an old kernel before the 512 boards came out[2:16]* dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[2:16]<Orb> really, i just noticed i'm in #raspberrypi[2:16]<Orb> but it's not on a pi, it's on a regular box[2:16]* rikkib has more resources on the way to do more testing. Old 256 RPi test cam in in a clients place[2:16]<rikkib> ahhhh[2:16]<SuperMiguel> Orb: how do you do that?[2:16]<Orb> my raspberry pi has malfunctioned since i got it.[2:17]<Orb> it freaks out under heavy network load.[2:17]<Orb> do what, SuperMiguel[2:17]<SuperMiguel> Orb: get VLC to read your cam[2:17]<TAFB_ssd> Orb: You might need to bake it in the oven.[2:18]* sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-193-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[2:18]<rikkib> Orb, Sounds like you may have supply issues[2:18]<Orb> power supply? I've used an ipad charger which I would think is enough.[2:18]<rikkib> Test 5v at tp1 & tp2 it should be above 4.75v[2:19]<Orb> SuperMiguel, just some html to embed it into a simple webpage.[2:19]<dr_willis> Been using my Kindel Fire charger. and some Tavelocity Chargers here.[2:19]<dr_willis> also be sure to use some decent usb cables to run the powar.[2:19]<rikkib> I use 1.2a wall wort?s[2:20]<dr_willis> Yep. The travelocity ones say 2A. i think[2:20]<rikkib> KCS NLA120050W1S[2:20]<dr_willis> Fire is like 1.8A i belive[2:21]<dr_willis> I wonder if running the charger into a Cellphone 'usb backup battery' would smooth out any current hickups.,[2:21]<dr_willis> I got a 120000mAH cellphone portable battery thang. ;) it would work as a UPS for several hours powering the PI if i lost powar. ;)[2:21]* Elbios (Elbios@178-36-242-22.adsl.inetia.pl) Quit ()[2:22]<dr_willis> 12000mAH[2:22]<dr_willis> ;)[2:22]<Gorroth> i have like 2 UPS at home, and one of them will be running my pi[2:22]<Gorroth> well i have a 3rd in the living room, but 2 on the main computer area[2:23]* d_nuke (~d_nuke@cpc1-stav10-0-0-cust101.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[2:23]<dr_willis> Giving my pi a long term xbian play test. :) letting it play videos for the next few hours - to see how it works[2:23]<SpeedEvil> I have at the moment running my pi 220000mAh. (at 12v)[2:24]* Weaselweb (~quassel@77-64-181-50.dynamic.primacom.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[2:24]* cozmic (cozmic@89-160-133-29.du.xdsl.is) has joined #raspberrypi[2:24]<SpeedEvil> I'm just testing stuff though[2:24]* duckinator (nick@botters/staff/duckinator) has joined #raspberrypi[2:25]<SpeedEvil> would run the pi alone for about a month[2:25]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[2:25]<d_nuke> cool[2:26]<SpeedEvil> however, 40kg or so.[2:26]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) has joined #raspberrypi[2:28]<Lasivian> can the ribbon plugs be used for *anything* right now, or are they just for future expansion?[2:28]<d_nuke> anyone running their pi from AA batteries?[2:29]<Lasivian> d_nuke: It's possible, I have 10xAA battery packs for other similar electronics.[2:29]* MichaelC is now known as MichaelC|Sleep[2:29]<Lasivian> but it doesn;t have a simple plug for that, you need to wire a pack to a microusb[2:30]* wjoe (~joe@lc8n.com) has joined #raspberrypi[2:31]<dr_willis> Lasivian: like to hook to a lcd monitor --> https://www.adafruit.com/products/962[2:31]* m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[2:31]<d_nuke> thanks. i guess if i can give it a 5V supply to micro-usb it should work[2:31]<d_nuke> 4 x 1.2V cells[2:33]<rikkib> You can power via the GPIO if you take precautions... Add a 1A polyfuse in circuit[2:33]* Amadiro (jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no) Quit (Excess Flood)[2:33]<Lasivian> oh, yeah, duh.. 5v[2:33]* Lasivian needs more caffeine[2:34]<rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ The bit I am holding up is my break out board... The yellow thing a polyfuse...[2:35]<d_nuke> i thought the pi would last longer than 5.5hours[2:35]<d_nuke> off that USB battery pack[2:36]<rikkib> Depends on what you have plugged into it[2:37]<rikkib> I have just been reading stuff about battery life...[2:37]<rikkib> RPi draws somewhere around 2.5Watts min[2:37]<d_nuke> i think the 5.5 hours was with nothing plugged in, except a network cable[2:38]<rikkib> 450mA x 5v[2:38]* Amadiro (jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no) has joined #raspberrypi[2:38]<rikkib> 2.25W[2:39]<rikkib> Max drain from USB is 150mA all up[2:40]<rikkib> 600mA x 5 = 3W[2:41]* MichaelC|Sleep is now known as MichaelC[2:42]<rikkib> 5W solar panel and 7ah bat may see a RPi right in summer, spring and autumn but probably not winter[2:43]* Tirili (~opera@dslc-082-083-146-133.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #raspberrypi[2:43]<Gorroth> i see they keep coming out with new raspbian editions each month (e.g. 2012-09-18, 2012-12-18, etc.). if i have 2012-09-18 installed, will an "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" be enough, or is 2012-12-18 more like a major version upgrade?[2:44]<rikkib> 10W solar and 14Ah bat would be good but... Cost $60/5W $50/7Ah plus $2 CV CC reg[2:44]<d_nuke> anyone tried hooking up their pi to a solar cell ?[2:44]* monkers (~james2@unaffiliated/monkeypaws) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[2:44]<dr_willis> Its winter time here. ;) not going to work very well.[2:45]<rikkib> No but as you see I have already done some homework[2:45]<d_nuke> the sun still shines in winter[2:45]<d_nuke> cloud is a problem though[2:45]* DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[2:46]<rikkib> I live in NZ.... Sun and weather conditions are very mild on the weather and lots of sun here in the northern top halfd where I live[2:46]<Gorroth> maybe you could be really cheap and find a way to keep your pi plugged in behind a bookcase in a library[2:47]* nimitz (~nim@modemcable067.221-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[2:48]<rikkib> Bad time of year... Money wise. But still buying stuff every week to build resources up... Not helped by two RPi at clients places under test.[2:49]<rikkib> Have a night vision usb web cam coming in the next few days[2:49]<rikkib> $16[2:50]<dr_willis> heh, Take an old webcam and remove the filters is always fun also.[2:50]<rikkib> It is going to get pulled apart and rehoused and rewired.[2:50]<dr_willis> i forget the details however. ;) ya had to put some other filter in it and you could see ir or uv light? :) been ages since i saw that guide[2:51]* xCP23x (xCP23x@149.241.236.236) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[2:51]<rikkib> LED's separated and controlled from a relay powered from a dc supply raher than the usb[2:51]<rikkib> rather[2:54]* rikkib goes to poke around looking for some enclosures I have stashed.[2:56]<rikkib> Tree cam... Enclosure for RPi and stuff found. 340mm x 230mm[2:57]<rikkib> 100mm deep[2:58]<rikkib> neoprene seal[2:58]* Syliss (~Home@adsl-108-94-48-239.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Syliss)[2:59]* ksx4system (~ksx4syste@192.40.56.248) has joined #raspberrypi[3:10]* mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[3:11]* aphadke (~Adium@c-71-198-5-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:11]* aphadke (~Adium@c-71-198-5-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Client Quit)[3:12]<pksato> http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/12/26/mk802-ii-mini-pc-now-costs-as-much-as-raspberry-pi-model-b-lets-compare-them/[3:15]<Gorroth> already read about that on /.[3:15]<Gorroth> /. crowd was complaining the android things don't have GPIO, etc.[3:16]* adeel (~adeel@bas2-cooksville01-2925346886.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[3:17]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[3:18]* noblezeus (~nobody@unaffiliated/randomio) has joined #raspberrypi[3:18]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[3:31]* |thunder (~e@c-68-42-120-204.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:31]<|thunder> anyone using raspberrypi as a htpc? is that even feasable ?[3:32]<clear`> dr_willis: have you done the video test with openelec yet?[3:32]<clear`> or going to start with raspbian and work your way to it[3:32]<clear`> err[3:32]<clear`> xbian[3:35]* wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: I just broke my connection, but no worries, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.)[3:38]* Shaan7 (~quassel@kde/developer/shantanu) has joined #raspberrypi[3:40]<dr_willis> clear`: i got both running. ;)[3:40]<dr_willis> both seem to work. :) raspbmc had some iddues where ther video would go black after a bit.. not sure why[3:41]<dr_willis> |thunder: using the pi as a HTPC is a common task ;)[3:41]<adeel> |thunder: i'm watching 1080p off it now[3:42]<Gorroth> |thunder: i don't think it's very feasible. sure, you can play movies on it via the hardware codecs, but you're limited to 10/100 Mbps (theoretical, but actually limited by the USB bus speed), and so you won't be able to do any streaming from another system.[3:42]<dr_willis> im watching the 1960's batman shows ;)[3:42]<adeel> Gorroth: ?[3:42]<dr_willis> Im streaming from one Pi - to a 2nd Pi.....[3:42]<Gorroth> unless you want to hook up a large external hdd i guess, in which case you might be okay if you're pushing data directly onto the hdd and not streaming[3:42]<dr_willis> seems to work well ;)[3:42]<dr_willis> but it is SD video[3:42]<Gorroth> try it with 1080p, current movies[3:42]<Gorroth> i think you'll find 10/100 lacking[3:42]<adeel> Gorroth: seriously? i have a 16 bay NAS that streams to it just fine[3:42]<Gorroth> yeah[3:43]<dr_willis> who needs current movies.. when i got batman![3:43]<Gorroth> adeel: must not be high b/w stuff[3:43]<Gorroth> batman![3:43]<adeel> Gorroth: i just finished watching the Dark Knight Rises which was a 28Gb file[3:43]<Gorroth> if you say so[3:43]<adeel> streamed just fine[3:43]* kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj) has joined #raspberrypi[3:43]<dr_willis> Holy Streaming Pis batman![3:43]<dr_willis> ;)[3:43]* kcj (~casey@unaffiliated/kcj) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[3:43]<adeel> Gorroth: considering that BLURAY is only defined for upto 50MBit/s i don't understand your rationale about the 10/100 NIC[3:44]<adeel> Gorroth: is your pi OC'ed at all?[3:45]<Gorroth> no, i haven't tried this. i just didn't think it'd work very well[3:46]<adeel> Gorroth: i had trouble playing back 1080p files until i OC'ed[3:46]<SuperMiguel> whats the best webcam server to run in the rpi? i tried motion but having issues with it[3:47]* Alfihar (~Yuuka@siberios.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[3:47]<pksato> SuperMiguel: ffmpeg server?[3:47]<SuperMiguel> let me look at that[3:49]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[3:49]* MichaelC is now known as MichaelC|Sleep[3:50]<Gorroth> adeel: what OC setting are you using[3:50]<Gorroth> (i have no heatsink added)[3:50]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) has joined #raspberrypi[3:51]* KeatonT (~textual@unaffiliated/keatont) has joined #raspberrypi[3:52]* wchance (~chatzilla@c-50-140-118-181.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[3:52]* hockey51 (~hockey51@cpe-174-106-241-239.ec.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[3:52]<wchance> hello[3:54]<wchance> I have installed latest version of raspbian and sometimes have run into some problems. 1. Disappearing IP address from eth0 and 2. If server does not boot up with ETH connection it will need to manually be restarted for it to acquire and IP[3:54]* Visage (~visage@pdpc/supporter/active/visage) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[3:56]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[4:00]<dr_willis> so if the wired network cable is not plugged in at bootup. you plug it in later.. you restart networking for it to see the plugged in network[4:00]* odin_ (~Odin@2a01:348:261:32:211:11ff:fe6b:2483) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[4:00]* Gorroth (~grimwm@static-129-44-59-238.ny325.east.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: leaving)[4:01]<bsd1101> depends on the OS[4:01]<bsd1101> if you have dhcpcd you can run it[4:02]<bsd1101> through a command[4:02]<bsd1101> that will grap an ip. also you may have a network manager through which you can connect[4:03]* Elbios (Elbios@178-36-242-22.adsl.inetia.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[4:03]* Elbios (Elbios@178-36-242-22.adsl.inetia.pl) has left #raspberrypi[4:03]<SuperMiguel> pksato: is there a good guide on how to install it?[4:03]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[4:04]<dr_willis> I thought there was a service that saw network changes. but ive havent explored rasbian much[4:04]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) has joined #raspberrypi[4:05]<bsd1101> ya depends on the OS. If you're on raspbian it might pick it up automatically[4:05]<bsd1101> I only had raspbian running for a few hours before I switched[4:05]* d_nuke (~d_nuke@cpc1-stav10-0-0-cust101.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit ()[4:05]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) has joined #raspberrypi[4:05]<dr_willis> in my pi case i cant unplug the wireless to test. ;) i built the case too tight.. cant get in to unplug the network cable.[4:05]<dr_willis> to fix in my next case[4:06]<bsd1101> ....[4:06]* netw1z (~the@cpe-74-73-231-93.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[4:10]* KeatonT (~textual@unaffiliated/keatont) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[4:10]* Eette (~Eette@ip70-185-201-82.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:12]* thegrif (~thegrif@ool-4354f221.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:13]<SuperMiguel> pksato how do you install ffmpeg server?[4:13]<dr_willis> I carved a wooden box into a tight fitting pi Case.. its so tight. i have to plug everything in the correct order for it to fit. ;)[4:20]* Elbios (~Elbios@178-36-242-22.adsl.inetia.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[4:23]* xbmchub (~robertgor@bas3-sthubert21-2925326692.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[4:24]<Coburn> I've got a black box that I might see if I can butcher up[4:25]<Coburn> and fit the R-Pi in there[4:25]* plugwash (~plugwash@2001:5c0:1400:a::19) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[4:25]* bizarro_1 (~bizarro_1@80.Red-83-49-226.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[4:36]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@64.203.116.167) has joined #raspberrypi[4:37]* rvalles (~rvalles@unaffiliated/rvalles) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[4:41]<SuperMiguel> whats the advantage of running arch instead of debian?[4:42]* thomashunter (~thomashun@c-67-167-132-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: thomashunter)[4:43]<markbook> Actually I think on the ARM systems Arch is a bit more mature[4:43]<markbook> but other than that I think it would be the flavor you like or don't[4:44]<markbook> Over time Debian will give more emphasis just because ARM will be much more popular in general[4:46]* Quietlyawesome94 (~chatzilla@c-68-47-241-171.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[4:46]* xbmchub (~robertgor@bas3-sthubert21-2925326692.dsl.bell.ca) Quit (Quit: xbmchub)[4:47]<bsd1101> arch runs a lot faster, because it comes with the bare minimum and makes you add anything extra you want on top[4:48]<bsd1101> you pretty must start up in a terminal, without a gui[4:49]<markbook> I really like Arch on the Pogo plug and dockstar. At the time I started with those Arch was the only option[4:49]<SuperMiguel> bsd1101: well im actually running my rpi inside a robot, just as a webcam server[4:49]<SuperMiguel> so i only connect to it using ssh[4:49]<SuperMiguel> and have a ms webcam and wireless card connected to it[4:50]<markbook> everyone should buy one of the USB serial cables ;-)[4:50]<SuperMiguel> markbook: ?[4:51]<markbook> http://adafruit.com/products/954[4:51]* voxadam (~voxadam@c-71-59-211-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[4:51]<markbook> every computer should come with an exposed serial console[4:51]<markbook> I used to say RJ-45 with RS-232 but the TTL-USB works too[4:51]<SuperMiguel> markbook: what you use those for?[4:52]<markbook> for umm. booting and controlling a computer that's 2x3 inches without needing some enormous display.[4:52]<FunkyELF> I logged into my raspberry pi and edited /etc/hostname from raspberrypi to rpi1 .... now on my other machine when I try to ping rpi1 it resolves to 127.0.0.1 ? what is up with that?[4:53]<markbook> because sometimes the boot process is screwed and waiting for SSH that's never going to come or just re-flashing seems... suboptimal>[4:53]<markbook> ?[4:53]<SuperMiguel> markbook: so you can install new OS using that cable?[4:54]<markbook> you can log on when SSH fails to start. You can observe the boot process without a display so you can figure out what's wrong rather than just giving up[4:54]<alajarvela> i dont think you can[4:54]<markbook> you can run your pi just by plugging the power cable into your laptop and the serial port into another[4:54]<markbook> (for testing, installation, configuration)[4:55]<bsd1101> ....I've spent more than triple the money on accessories than the cost of the pie....[4:55]<alajarvela> yeah but installing a new OS would require direct access to the SD card. the Pi's USB hub is not enough since it needs an OS to run the hub[4:55]* XenGi is now known as XenGi_[4:55]<markbook> well I do find that the price of a pi is misleading[4:55]<alajarvela> markbook: how so?[4:55]<markbook> I'm finding it's really about $85-100US when you add stuff[4:55]<PhotoJim> I don't have $100 into my Pis.[4:55]<alajarvela> well what do you consider essential?[4:56]<PhotoJim> $70 for 2 units, $5 for shipping, $10 for two USB 2.0 hubs and about $5 for two micro-USB cables.[4:56]<markbook> alajarvela: get the Adafruit TTL USB cable and you can run a pi with just 1 laptop[4:56]<PhotoJim> oh, and $8 for two 8 GB SD cards.[4:56]<PhotoJim> $108/2 = $54 each.[4:56]<bsd1101> I would expect anyone buying it to have a mouse and keyboard. the only thing essential I think is the memory stick[4:56]<markbook> http://electron-swamp.blogspot.com/2012/12/a-modest-pi-posal.html[4:57]<alajarvela> markbook: what is the benefit? net and power via the same cable?[4:57]<markbook> why would you need a mouse or keyboard if you have a laptop with serial?[4:57]<bsd1101> I ssh into mine[4:57]<markbook> at the bottom of that article is my lab manifest for a pi for a student to take home[4:57]<PhotoJim> I run mine headless via ssh, but USB keyboards aren't too expensive. I have a roll-up rubber one that cost me $4.[4:57]<alajarvela> i've had zero issues with ssh after i configured the pi (took 5min)[4:57]<markbook> bsd1101: not if you screw up the boot process.[4:57]<PhotoJim> if you add a cheap keyboard and mouse and an HDMI cabloe, then yes, I guess you might be in the mid-$60s.[4:57]<markbook> it works great, until it doesnt[4:58]<bsd1101> i purchased a 70$ aluminum case[4:58]* markbook used to admin servers in Sao Paulo with a Palm Pilot and a VT100 app over a modem.[4:58]<PhotoJim> you could argue PC motherboards are misleading. they don't come with RAM at all. a Pi comes with half a gig. :)[4:58]* markbook is a minimalist[4:58]<bsd1101> honestly I would spend a thousand on a phone that was truly open[4:58]<markbook> heh.[4:58]* IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)[4:58]<markbook> I wouldn't spend $1000 on a phone EVER :-)[4:59]<SpeedEvil> I would[4:59]<bsd1101> Iif my n900's screen hadn't died on me months ago I would have never upgraded[4:59]<alajarvela> yeah one grand is a fucking lot for tech that gets outdated every few months[4:59]<markbook> I won't spend more than $150ish on any hand-held tech[4:59]<alajarvela> bsd1101: did it run maemo or what OS?[4:59]<SpeedEvil> it would need a lifetime guarantee, be bounce able, waterproof, ...[4:59]<bsd1101> maemo[5:00]<bsd1101> community still provides updates for that phone[5:00]<markbook> my android phone was $120[5:00]<markbook> my tablet was $65[5:00]<alajarvela> yeah. maemo is cool. physical keyboard is always ++ and jolla is going to port their OS for the current maemo phones[5:00]<markbook> my laptop (netbook) was $450 and that was upper limit.[5:00]<bsd1101> it's hard to get a hold of a real one now, and after using the S3 it would be real hard to go back[5:00]<alajarvela> my phone is 500 dollars, tablet 700, desktop 1k[5:00]<alajarvela> :D...[5:01]<markbook> to each his own[5:01]<bsd1101> I want a real linux on my phone, open sourced and all[5:01]<alajarvela> bsd1101: eh, i dont like the galaxy series. it has a nice display and good soundprocessor but touch screens suck[5:01]<markbook> I do tell people to buy cheap, buy factory refurb and plan to replace often[5:01]<markbook> at $1000 a damn phone would have to last me a decade.[5:01]<bsd1101> actually....they screwed the U.S. on the audio card. it's worse. So is the processor.[5:01]* markbook used Moto Razor flip phones for about 8 years.[5:02]<bsd1101> S3 anyway[5:02]<alajarvela> bsd1101: weird. the EU version has gotten a lot of appraisal on the other hand[5:02]<bsd1101> yup[5:02]<bsd1101> I have the EU[5:02]<alajarvela> then again, the new note came around the same time and that got a lot more attention here[5:02]<alajarvela> i'm from finland myself[5:02]<bsd1101> the huge downside is my inet speeds are below 3g[5:03]<alajarvela> former promised land of smart phones :D[5:03]<bsd1101> and will never go up[5:03]<alajarvela> oh damn man, how so?[5:03]<bsd1101> the phone doesn't support the bands of the wiireless providers here[5:03]<alajarvela> ah[5:03]<alajarvela> damn man that's crappy[5:04]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[5:04]<alajarvela> i can barely live with 3g here.[5:04]<bsd1101> ya, tell me about it[5:04]<alajarvela> shame the 4s doesn't do 4g since those lines are almost unused here[5:04]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) has joined #raspberrypi[5:04]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@64.203.116.167) Quit (Quit: Mike-N-Go)[5:07]<bsd1101> I don't know who to blame for the wireless problems[5:07]<bsd1101> I don't know how the phone frequencies work but I'm guessing too many people on frequency is a bad thing ?[5:08]<bsd1101> and making a phone with all frequencies so that a person can go anywhere with their single phone would be too expensive ?[5:08]<alajarvela> i mean[5:09]<alajarvela> GSM is used for calls and sms here[5:09]<bsd1101> T-mobile in the U.S. screwed up the S3 the worst I think. They gave it 2 gigs of ram, but made it have a worse cpu than the other American S3's and still took away the audio card[5:09]<alajarvela> 2g, 3g and 4g are for mobile data. 2g as an fallback when 3g is not possible. 3g is the most common here and lots of users so it's always clogged and slow. very few 4g users even tho we've got coverage in my town so I'd get max speed alone since no one is using it[5:10]<bsd1101> where is this you say ?[5:10]<PhotoJim> bsd1101: too many people relative to tower density, yes[5:10]<bsd1101> finland[5:10]* voxadam (~voxadam@c-71-59-211-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:10]* PhotoJim has one lonely bar of LTE here[5:10]<bsd1101> damn[5:11]<bsd1101> U.S. depends on the provider. Some of them are ahead of the game, others are implementing stuff to improve so by middle of the coming year things should be really good.[5:11]<SuperMiguel> so if im using my pi as a webcam server im better of using arch or debian? i will ony ssh to it once in a while[5:11]* Stereo (~stereo@coquecigrue.stereo.lu) has joined #raspberrypi[5:11]<bsd1101> if you are only doing ssh, I say arch[5:11]<PhotoJim> SuperMiguel: Raspbian>Debian since it's optimized for Pi. Never used Arch so no comment on it.[5:12]<Stereo> hi everyone[5:12]<SuperMiguel> ya thats kinda what i meant raspbian[5:12]<SuperMiguel> raspbian vs arch[5:12]* Barret1 (~Barret@pool-72-66-0-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:12]<Stereo> I'm trying the rpi fm transmitter thing, at http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter , and getting no output at all on my radio. Has anyone else tried this?[5:12]<PhotoJim> SuperMiguel: use whichever you know better.[5:12]* shurizzle (~shura@unaffiliated/shurizzle) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[5:13]<TAFB_ssd> damn :( i fail at qmail :([5:14]<SuperMiguel> just having a hardtime getting a webcam server installed in debian[5:18]<Stereo> gpio pin 4 is the second one on the outside starting from the corner, isn't it?[5:19]<TAFB_ssd> Stereo: look for the little mark on the board to signify pin1[5:19]* DMackey (~DMackey@ord-69-171-163-204.evdo.leapwireless.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[5:19]<TAFB_ssd> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Raspberry-Pi-GPIO-Layout-Revision-2-e1347664831557.png[5:22]<Stereo> hmm, so I don't know why that radio thing isn't working[5:24]* timmmaaaayyy (~anonymous@cpe-74-73-185-27.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: timmmaaaayyy)[5:26]* yofel (~quassel@ubuntu/member/yofel) has joined #raspberrypi[5:27]* _Demo_ (~Demo@modemcable206.112-22-96.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[5:28]<Stereo> great, the code documentation doesn't match the code at all[5:28]* viric (~viric@unaffiliated/viric) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[5:29]* viric (~viric@unaffiliated/viric) has joined #raspberrypi[5:29]* pksato (~PEBKAC@unaffiliated/pksato) Quit (Quit: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair)[5:29]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[5:30]* Piffer (~Piffer@p57972395.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[5:30]* yofel_ (~quassel@ubuntu/member/yofel) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[5:31]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) has joined #raspberrypi[5:32]* Piffer (~Piffer@p4FED5B57.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:38]* sraue (~stephan@xbmc/staff/sraue) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[5:40]* markbook (~markllama@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[5:40]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[5:40]<Coburn> [14:13:10] <TAFB_ssd> damn :( i fail at qmail :([5:40]<Coburn> Use exim5[5:40]<Coburn> Use exim4([5:40]<Coburn> Use exim4**[5:41]<Datalink> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php a friend pointed this at me, it's expensive, but quad core Cortex-A9 at 1.7 GHz, so those looking to upgrade and reduce footprint, might interest ya[5:41]<Datalink> that said, it's 3 Pis worth of price and doesn't break out the video at all[5:41]* E1ven (~E1ven@SQ7/ProjectLead/E1ven) has joined #raspberrypi[5:41]<Datalink> mybad, it does have HDMI[5:42]<Coburn> What use is a baord without video output[5:42]<Launch_Director> it uses more power tough.. 5V 2A[5:42]<Coburn> meh[5:42]<Coburn> Same with CuBox[5:42]<Coburn> that uses 2A[5:42]<Coburn> plus, I got confirmation that my ODROID-U2 has left Kora[5:43]<Coburn> South Korea*[5:43]<Launch_Director> i guess it's good for non battery powered applications[5:46]* TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) Quit (Disconnected by services)[5:46]* [7] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) has joined #raspberrypi[5:47]<Launch_Director> it also doesn't have GPIOs[5:48]<TAFB_ssd> Coburn: My linux box has no graphics output :)[5:49]<TAFB_ssd> http://tafb.yi.org/[5:49]<Launch_Director> if i had the money tough i'd buy it[5:50]* legitnick (~pi@ip68-7-93-217.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi[5:50]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: wow.. how much was it[5:51]<legitnick> finally got my pie[5:51]<TAFB_ssd> free, I have a bunch of em :)[5:51]* sraue (~stephan@xbmc/staff/sraue) has joined #raspberrypi[5:51]<TAFB_ssd> http://likestuff.globat.com/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive/2012-05-07-3TBseagateGoFlexHomeExternalHardDrive_L.jpg[5:51]<TAFB_ssd> they came with a bunch of $99 3TB hard drives I bought[5:51]<TAFB_ssd> never used the "docking stations" because the drives are esata and that's how I hooked em up[5:52]* bschwab (~bryan@c-67-188-153-229.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: leaving)[5:52]<legitnick> I have an old lcd screen from a broken laptop, what would I need to use it with my pi?[5:53]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: what is hosting the website?[5:53]<TAFB_ssd> legitnick: those laptop screens are super hard to get working with anything :([5:53]<legitnick> :([5:53]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: That little black seagate box you see in the pic :) running Arch linux with nginx and php5 :)[5:54]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: website loads fast eh?? :) hehe.[5:54]* asd_ (~asd@p54BA444B.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[5:54]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: yeh thats the one i'm asking the price about[5:54]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: If it came with a 3TB drive for $99 total, I'm sure they must be crazy cheap! I've seen some selling on ebay for $50 ish.[5:54]<Launch_Director> wow[5:55]<TAFB_ssd> legitnick: Look up the Atrix Lapdock, use that as a screen for your Pi.[5:55]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seagate-NAS-Network-Attached-Storage-System-Gigabit-Ethernet-and-Print-Server-/190774432936[5:55]<legitnick> right now Im using my TV[5:56]* Dyskette (~freja@cpc8-warw15-2-0-cust22.3-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[5:56]<legitnick> would it be possible to use the screen from a droidx?[5:56]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: or better yet, buy one with the drive included, you can even use the drive INSIDE your computer, it's regular sata connection! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seagate-FreeAgent-GoFlex-Home-1-TB-Hard-Drive-External-STAM1000100-NAS-WiFi-/330849598146[5:57]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: yep i know, i think i'll get just the NAS, i have plenty HDDs laying around[5:57]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: where do you boot linux from, the HDD aswell?[5:57]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: good plan. It works with every hard drive. even 2tb WD green edition :)[5:57]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: it boots from something called NAND flash or something? lol.[5:57]<TAFB_ssd> one sec for link[5:58]* Stereo (~stereo@coquecigrue.stereo.lu) has left #raspberrypi[5:58]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: oh ok, i know what that is, thats just internal flash[5:58]<Launch_Director> instead of using SD cards[5:58]<TAFB_ssd> ahhh, ok. yeah. You root it, and download some uInstaller thing? then it works :)[5:58]<Launch_Director> awesome[5:58]<TAFB_ssd> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv5/seagate-goflex-home[5:58]<Launch_Director> was it difficult to root?[5:59]<TAFB_ssd> those are the instructions I followed, only one little trick you need...[5:59]* oldtopman (~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman) Quit (Quit: *pouf*)[5:59]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: bit suprised it has so little ram[5:59]<TAFB_ssd> you have to setup your goflex over the internet first. when you do it downloads an update that prevents you from rooting it but I found my own work around :)[6:00]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: Yeah, but with a dedicated USB 2.0 controller and dedicated SATA3 controller and dedicated Gigabit ethernet, it just RIPS on not much ram :)[6:00]<TAFB_ssd> And look how much ram I have free: http://tafb.yi.org/[6:00]<Launch_Director> yeh i noticed that website is fast[6:00]<TAFB_ssd> that's running 3 websites, 6 email domains with qmail, etc :)[6:00]<Launch_Director> the CPU is fast so it needs less ram than the PI[6:02]<TAFB_ssd> yeah, but the CPU is way older than the Pi one, why is it so fast? I mean 1.2ghz, but I had my Pi overclocked to 1ghz and it couldn't even TOUCH this thing :([6:05]<Launch_Director> wow definetly on my to get list[6:06]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: Here are the new directions for rooting it, after Seagate tries to block you from doing it: http://pastie.org/5587131[6:06]<Launch_Director> first to get a that GPU i've been delaying so much..[6:06]<TAFB_ssd> the tru is step 4, then you run sudo -E -s to root it, you'll get an error, but don't touch anything.[6:06]<Launch_Director> arch has aptitude right? never used it[6:07]<TAFB_ssd> right at the error prompts just type "sudo passwd root" and it works ;)[6:07]* monkers (~james2@unaffiliated/monkeypaws) has joined #raspberrypi[6:07]<TAFB_ssd> never heard of aptitude[6:07]<TAFB_ssd> you mean like apt-get?[6:07]<Launch_Director> yeh[6:07]<TAFB_ssd> nope, this uses pacman -S[6:07]<clear`> apt = aptitude[6:08]<Launch_Director> hmm...dunno if pacman has sickbeard, sabnzbd, and all the other stuff i need[6:08]<TAFB_ssd> "pacman -Syu" == "apt-get upgrade && apt-get update"[6:08]* asd_ (~asd@p54BA424D.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:08]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: you can just download the source and .make it right?[6:08]<TAFB_ssd> I've had to "make" tons of stuff on this :)[6:08]<TAFB_ssd> iozone[6:08]<TAFB_ssd> qmail[6:08]<TAFB_ssd> citadel[6:08]<TAFB_ssd> :)[6:08]<Launch_Director> i'm new to linux, i never remember how to build a source[6:09]<Launch_Director> arch is a bit hardcore[6:09]<rikkib> ./configure[6:09]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: all of the sources you download have an install file that tells you what to do, and 95% of them have a .configure script that does it all for ya :)[6:09]<rikkib> make[6:09]<rikkib> make install[6:09]<clear`> configure, make, make install[6:09]<clear`> lol[6:09]<TAFB_ssd> clear`: yep, that's it :)[6:09]<Launch_Director> i'll learn ofcourse[6:10]<TAFB_ssd> arch is a good learning tool for sure :)[6:10]<Launch_Director> would make much happier if debian worked on that[6:10]<TAFB_ssd> there's an irc channel on here called #archlinux-arm that's great for all the arm-specific junk[6:10]<Launch_Director> or does it?[6:10]<clear`> isnt there a make clean[6:10]<clear`> or something to clean up[6:10]<clear`> i have been spoiled with ubuntu software center[6:10]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: because it has no screen/mouse/keyboard it would be super tricky to set up something custom on it ;)[6:11]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: debian would be custom?[6:11]<TAFB_ssd> by custom, I meant "not following the official instructions" ;)[6:11]<Launch_Director> so arch is installed by default[6:12]* thegrif (~thegrif@ool-4354f221.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[6:12]* akiwiguy (~Zarek@unaffiliated/akiwiguy) has joined #raspberrypi[6:12]<TAFB_ssd> yeah, when you run the command for the U-Boot install, it does "wget http://archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-armv5te-latest.tar.gz"[6:13]<Launch_Director> cool[6:13]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: did you do any load tests?[6:13]<TAFB_ssd> tons of load tests[6:13]<Launch_Director> i'm currious how many requests it can hold up[6:13]<TAFB_ssd> I did CPU, RAM and hard drive ALL at the same time :)[6:13]<Launch_Director> and web requests?[6:14]<TAFB_ssd> har drive, read and write over 100MB/SEC!!! :) It was serving a mind blowing 1,635 web pages per second, and no issues even with the ram with 2mb left ;)[6:15]<Launch_Director> wow[6:15]<TAFB_ssd> if you want, I'll put it under full load test, and you can watch how good the page still loads :) it only refreshes the dynamic content every 2 or 3 seconds instead of every second (because PHP wants lots of CPU that it can't get), but the webserver, everything still works peachy :)[6:16]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: here they are for RPi http://www.jeremymorgan.com/blog/programming/raspberry-pi-web-server-comparison/[6:16]<TAFB_ssd> why didn't they test pancake? it was the fastest by FAR on my Pi!!![6:17]<TAFB_ssd> well, I was running my load tests on my status page, you can see it's got quite a few graphics and tons of content, lol.[6:17]<TAFB_ssd> the Pi was only able to do 167 pages per second with Pancake, 155 pages per second with nginx and like 17 pages per second with apache :)[6:18]<SuperMiguel> so if i dont have a screen connected to my rpi, and i just downloaded and put arch on a sd card.. how do i make it run?[6:18]<SuperMiguel> or what can i do?[6:18]<TAFB_ssd> SuperMiguel: you'd have to use berryboot[6:18]* MadeAllUp (~MadeAllUp@cpc4-haye19-2-0-cust443.17-4.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[6:18]<SuperMiguel> TAFB_ssd: care to explain?[6:18]<TAFB_ssd> SuperMiguel: enable VNC in berryboot options, then VNC in from your computer to install/control.[6:19]<Launch_Director> or tightvnc SuperMiguel[6:19]<TAFB_ssd> SuperMiguel: google "berryboot" and then how to enable VNC on it. works sweet.[6:19]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: is that just another kind of tightvnc?[6:20]<Launch_Director> still i won't need a gui for most of my stuff[6:21]<TAFB_ssd> berryboot is a special bootable installer for the Pi, boots up the Pi off the SD card and loads a VNC server so you can connect to it (with tightvnc, ultravnc, etc.).[6:21]<TAFB_ssd> for installing stuff without monitor/mouse/keyboard on the pi ;)[6:21]<SuperMiguel> TAFB_ssd: let me try it[6:22]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: so all it does it runs VNC server after it boots?[6:23]<Launch_Director> actually it does more[6:23]<Launch_Director> i'm reading[6:24]<SuperMiguel> TAFB_ssd: im guessing i would need to have an ethernet connection? wont work out of wireless card?[6:24]<TAFB_ssd> it boots into a special "installer" and loads VNC so you can see it. It then lets your pick any Pi compatible linux distro and install it. you can even do dual boot or install OS to USB drive![6:24]<TAFB_ssd> SuperMiguel: ohhhh good question. Never tried it with wireless card, I would assume it wouldn't work :([6:24]<clear`> hmm[6:25]<clear`> half the time openelec wont load for me[6:25]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[6:27]<Launch_Director> i'm definetely thinking of using USB drives instead[6:27]<TAFB_ssd> it's way faster, even on crappy usb drives :) usb SSD works sweet ;)[6:28]* Gorroth (~grimwm@ool-182ca17b.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:28]* akells (~Adium@24-148-70-81.c3-0.mart-ubr2.chi-mart.il.cable.rcn.com) has joined #raspberrypi[6:28]<TAFB_ssd> Pi with USB SSD :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-17-RaspberryPi_with_external_drive.jpg[6:28]<Launch_Director> it's less expensive[6:28]<Launch_Director> than SD cards[6:28]* SuperMiguel (6c099304@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.9.147.4) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[6:29]<TAFB_ssd> probably. my Pi is booting off 128mb class 1 sd card ;)[6:29]<Launch_Director> WHuuut[6:29]<Launch_Director> how is that possible[6:29]<Launch_Director> Tiny linux?[6:29]<Launch_Director> or some other supertiny linux[6:30]<TAFB_ssd> nope, when you have the OS on USB you only need 56mb for the /boot folder ;)[6:30]<Launch_Director> oh[6:30]<Launch_Director> :P[6:30]<TAFB_ssd> ;)[6:30]<Launch_Director> that nice case and only 128mb[6:30]<Launch_Director> details on the case[6:30]<TAFB_ssd> the case is a really weird one[6:31]<TAFB_ssd> inside is 120gb SSDd drive[6:31]<TAFB_ssd> :)[6:31]<TAFB_ssd> http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=323[6:31]<Launch_Director> wow[6:31]* akells (~Adium@24-148-70-81.c3-0.mart-ubr2.chi-mart.il.cable.rcn.com) has left #raspberrypi[6:31]* SuperMiguel (6c099304@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.9.147.4) has joined #raspberrypi[6:32]<TAFB_ssd> here is the performance of that 120GB SSD drive in that funky box, compared to super fast SD card in the Pi: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/Patriot_EP_32GB_vs_Sandisk_Extreme_120GB_SSD_Performance_in_RaspberryPi_large.png[6:32]<TAFB_ssd> random read/write are the most important numbers,[6:32]<Launch_Director> wow[6:32]<TAFB_ssd> you can see the SD card only did 707k/sec random 4k write, the SSD did 8011k/sec :)[6:32]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: i mean details on the RPi case[6:32]<SuperMiguel> so i copied the berryboot files to an SD connected a network cable but allim getting is a yellow light[6:33]<TAFB_ssd> SuperMiguel: sounds about right, go into your router log and look for ip address of Pi and connect to it with vnc :)[6:33]* Milos|Netbook_ (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[6:33]<SuperMiguel> no lights on that ethernet port?[6:34]<TAFB_ssd> there's a "link" led on the board.[6:34]<SuperMiguel> gotcha[6:34]<SuperMiguel> so which client is beest? tightvnc?[6:34]<TAFB_ssd> I like UltraVNC if you're using windows.[6:34]* Milos|Netbook_ (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[6:34]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: Case: www.ebay.com/itm/110959219089[6:35]<Launch_Director> wow[6:35]<Tachyon`> you'd likely get better results with a real spinning hard driev[6:35]<TAFB_ssd> Tachyon`: nope, not even close. I tested it with my 2TB wd Green hard drive. 4k random read/write was worse than even the SD card! lol[6:35]* Milos|Netbook_ (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[6:35]<Tachyon`> SSDs are good but still suffer from large sector sizes and reflashing etc., they just hide it better[6:35]<Tachyon`> oh, odd[6:35]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: soo..what do you even use your RPi for?[6:36]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: nothing at the moment, I stole the SSD from it and put it on my new Seagate thingie :) I haven't decided what I'm going to do with my Pi's yet (I have two).[6:36]<clear`> is a usb port on a TV powerful enough to power the pi?[6:36]<Tachyon`> maybe[6:36]<Tachyon`> try it and see[6:36]<TAFB_ssd> clear`: sometimes, with a good cable.[6:36]<Tachyon`> they're not all created equal[6:36]<clear`> gotcha[6:36]<clear`> but shouldnt be any harm trying[6:36]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: so you flash ECUs..cool[6:36]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[6:36]<TAFB_ssd> i'll probably sell my Pi with the fancy case, and keep one to play with GPIO[6:36]<Tachyon`> no, it'll work or it won't[6:37]<clear`> openelec is pissing me off[6:37]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: yep, just yamaha motorcycles right now.[6:37]* djuggler (~djuggler@doug.ws.utk.edu) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[6:37]<SuperMiguel> TAFB_ssd: do i have to do anything special? or it should be default port 5900?[6:37]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: wow, whynot program an RPi as an ECU[6:37]* Milos|Netbook_ is now known as Milos|Netbook[6:37]* djuggler (~djuggler@doug.ws.utk.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[6:37]<Launch_Director> and then on the fly perfomance[6:37]<TAFB_ssd> SuperMiguel: I've never done it, I'd sure hope so. you found the ip address?[6:38]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: there are already many devices to do that (power commander, etc.) :) and flashing of the ECU is always the best option. It would be hard to replace the actual ECU with a Pi ;)[6:38]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: i'm only assuming it's possible i don't have much clue about ECUs[6:38]<TAFB_ssd> here's me and my bike: http://ecuflashking.com/r1/2012-09-20-TMP_racer5_trackday/FirstTrackDay_Sept1stPics/Jamie.jpg[6:38]<dr_willis> clear`: hmm.. been having no issues with openelec here.[6:38]<SuperMiguel> TAFB_ssd: ya i did[6:38]<dr_willis> clear`: i think xbian is the top of the 3 xbmc-pi distros however.[6:38]<clear`> dr_willis: i unplugged it last night after openelec was working[6:39]<clear`> and now it wont boot up ;\[6:39]<clear`> loading wheezy just to test atm[6:39]<Gorroth> TAFB_ssd: sweet ride[6:39]<dr_willis> clear`: i have noticed a few times when my pi wouldent boot with openelec, or rasbpnc. i unplugged/pluged the cables/sd back in. and it took off..[6:39]<Gorroth> TAFB_ssd: i ride a 2009 HD Superglide with a stage 1 upgrade i put on it[6:39]<TAFB_ssd> Gorroth: thanks :)[6:39]<dr_willis> clear`: i do use the xbmc menus to shutdown noe[6:39]<clear`> i tried that a few times[6:39]<TAFB_ssd> Gorroth: nice :)[6:39]<Gorroth> thanks :)[6:40]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: i hear monkey is faster than nginx[6:40]<TAFB_ssd> Gorroth: got pics?[6:40]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: anyway that server looks fast enough[6:40]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: the jury is still out on that ;)[6:40]<Gorroth> TAFB_ssd: yeah, but from before the upgrade i did.. one second[6:40]<clear`> TAFB_ssd: load up magento and see how fast you can get that to load :P[6:40]<Gorroth> oh, actually, i don't[6:40]<TAFB_ssd> clear`: is magento PHP cache program?[6:40]<Gorroth> they're on facebook and crap, and i'm too lazy at this hour to put them somewhere more public facign[6:40]<adeel> Gorroth: sorry, i went out for a bit...i'm OC'ed to about 1Ghz[6:41]<clear`> magento is a php based shopping cart[6:41]<clear`> that is slow as fucking shit[6:41]<TAFB_ssd> Gorroth: just right click the pic and paste the URL, all security is bypassed ;)[6:41]<Gorroth> adeel: oh, good timing. i was off IRC for a cpl hours :)[6:41]<clear`> and it takes a lot to optimize it for decent load time[6:41]<adeel> Gorroth: heh, no worries[6:41]<TAFB_ssd> clear`: I'm going to try wordpress next, with my super crazy dynamic caching technology I made ;)[6:42]<Gorroth> TAFB_ssd: https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/536154_965034406528_135056835_n.jpg[6:42]<TAFB_ssd> worked :)[6:42]<adeel> i should spend some time fixing the remote with my rasp-pi[6:42]<TAFB_ssd> ohhh nice colour :)[6:42]<Gorroth> thanks![6:42]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: leme guess. you are also using your NAS as a login server[6:43]<Gorroth> i love the damned thing[6:43]<Gorroth> when i move to CA, i also want to get a ninja[6:43]<Launch_Director> for IRC[6:43]<TAFB_ssd> Gorroth: some NICE roads in CA. :)[6:43]<TAFB_ssd> We got 1ft of snow here this morning :([6:43]<Gorroth> yeah, so i've heard[6:43]<Gorroth> TAFB_ssd: in which part of the country[6:43]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: not sure what you mean?[6:43]<TAFB_ssd> Gorroth: near toronto, ontario, canada[6:44]<Gorroth> ooooh, way up there :)[6:44]<TAFB_ssd> yep, the snowy north[6:44]<Gorroth> hehehe[6:44]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: what IRC client do you use, and is it not running of the linuxbox?[6:44]<adeel> TAFB_ssd: you ended up getting 1ft? we only got like 3"[6:44]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: I have a Windows PC with 3 screens I use for irc and usually stuff.[6:44]<Launch_Director> oh ok[6:45]<TAFB_ssd> adeel: omg, you should see the snow :( it's retarded[6:45]<TAFB_ssd> where are you adeel?[6:45]<adeel> TAFB_ssd: heh, sorry to hear that....i'm in Mississauga[6:45]<Launch_Director> no snow here..at all[6:45]<TAFB_ssd> lol, I'm out by Oshawa, lots here :)[6:45]<heathkid> I'm tired of shoveling snow...[6:45]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: any reason you are using ext3 and not ext4?[6:46]<TAFB_ssd> where is it ext3?!?! lol.[6:46]<heathkid> 50 lbs. of ice melt and even the snow goes aweay! ;)[6:46]<SuperMiguel> TAFB_ssd: it works =) you just need to edit a txt file and add vvncinstall to it[6:46]<TAFB_ssd> SuperMiguel! NICE WORK!!!![6:46]<adeel> TAFB_ssd: ext3 is another linux filesystem[6:46]<TAFB_ssd> oh, I didn't even know my system was running ext3![6:46]<TAFB_ssd> lol[6:46]<TAFB_ssd> it formatted it automatically during the uboot install[6:46]<TAFB_ssd> lol[6:47]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: /dev/sda1/ ext3, the nas box[6:47]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[6:47]<TAFB_ssd> yeah, it formatted it for me during install, never got the choice[6:47]<TAFB_ssd> I'd imagine it'd be tricky to change it ;)[6:47]<SuperMiguel> TAFB_ssd: shit it doesnt support arch =([6:47]<TAFB_ssd> SuperMiguel: watch your language, and are you serious? scroll down, not on the list?[6:48]<Gorroth> updating apple airport settings... may get kicked off for a second[6:48]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: dunno how good that is for the SSD[6:48]<TAFB_ssd> SuperMiguel: on their site, there's a walk through on how to add your own distro to the install list![6:48]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: what's not good for SSD, ext3 or 4?[6:49]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ssd: not sure, never had to deal with SSDs and linux file systems, but ext4 is more modern[6:49]<TAFB_ssd> hmmm. I'll have to see if there's a way I can convert it :)[6:49]<dr_willis> Im not sure it even matters much with newer sdds[6:49]* Gorroth (~grimwm@ool-182ca17b.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Disconnected by services)[6:49]* Gorroth (~grimwm@ool-182ca17b.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:49]<Gorroth> hi[6:50]<Launch_Director> i should prob go back to studing for exams :([6:50]<TAFB_ssd> Launch_Director: good plan :)[6:51]<Launch_Director> keep finding reasons to procrastinate[6:51]<TAFB_ssd> ok, I'ma convert my drive to ext4!! AHHHHHH![6:51]<TAFB_ssd> if it doesn't boot I'ma be in trouble :)[6:51]<TAFB_ssd> brb[6:51]* TAFB_ssd is now known as TAFB_ext4[6:53]<Launch_Director> lol[6:53]<TAFB_ext4> step1: pacman -Syu[6:53]<TAFB_ext4> step2: edit fstab file and change ext3 to ext4[6:54]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@206.162.237.238) has joined #raspberrypi[6:54]* Visage (~visage@pdpc/supporter/active/visage) has joined #raspberrypi[6:55]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ext4: huge respects, got the source for your site, you wrote it all?[6:55]<TAFB_ext4> Nope, atouk wrote most of it, the source for the Pi is linked at the bottom. I haven't released my source for Arch yet.[6:56]* Quietlyawesome94 (~chatzilla@c-68-47-241-171.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120722203403])[6:56]* ksx4system (~ksx4syste@192.40.56.248) Quit (Quit: "Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love." Albert Einstein)[6:57]* Quietlyawesome94 (~chatzilla@c-68-47-241-171.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[6:58]* ksx4system (~ksx4syste@kiruna.mac.info.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[6:58]* alexkane (~alex@user-108738h.cable.mindspring.com) Quit (Quit: alexkane)[6:59]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[7:00]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) has joined #raspberrypi[7:06]<Aranel> I got a nice idea, it's time to implement :) I'll make WhatsApp notifications for various alerts (service down, temperature too high, somebody logged in) for my Pi :)[7:07]<Aranel> and I'll have hundred~ of questions.[7:08]<TAFB_ext4> in PHP i had it set up, that if it ran out of ram, the temperature got too hot or the CPU was higher than 99% use for some time, it would send my mobile phone a text message :)[7:10]<bjp> ext4 > ext3[7:12]<Aranel> TAFB_ext4: would you share it? :) I won't be using text messages since I don't have a proper SMS bridge[7:12]<Aranel> so I'll go the whatsapp way :)[7:13]<TAFB_ext4> Aranel: nice. I just used a simple php command like "if $temp is greater than 70 degrees C then sentmail(phonenumber@mobilephoneprovider.com)"[7:14]<Aranel> cool ^^ I have to use Python, since I won't be writing a WhatsApp client from scratch, I'll use YowsUp instead[7:14]<Aranel> and it wouldn't play nice with PHP.[7:15]<TAFB_ext4> lol, sounds like fun :) good luck[7:16]<Aranel> ^^[7:16]<Aranel> hey, I wonder why you added _ext4 today[7:16]<Aranel> did you do something cool about it? :)[7:17]<TAFB_ext4> I'm about to convert my ext3 to ext4 but realized you can't run it on the drive you're booted from :)[7:17]<TAFB_ext4> so possibly it might have to wait :)[7:17]<TAFB_ext4> and, arch doesn't use /etc/fstab anymore, so I'm still trying to figure out systemd.mount :([7:18]<Aranel> not. using. fstab. anymore.[7:18]<dr_willis> no fstab? thats differnt.....[7:18]<Aranel> sometimes I wonder what's wrong with this world.[7:18]<TAFB_ext4> yep :([7:18]<TAFB_ext4> no more local.rc either, super piss off[7:18]<dr_willis> sounds like i dont need to be trying arch any time soon.. and people rant about ubuntu changeing things. ;)[7:18]<TAFB_ext4> i spent hours putting stuff in local.rc like I always do, nothing would run![7:19]<TAFB_ext4> then I had to make stupid .service files and run them with systemctl and it eats up all my ram and CPU[7:19]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca56e7.bb.sky.com) Quit ()[7:20]<Aranel> by the way, I noticed you're getting pretty high loadavg, considering only 7.9% CPU usage.[7:21]<TAFB_ext4> yeah, not sure what the load average means/is :([7:21]<TAFB_ext4> if you look under my CPU hogs list, it shows what's using CPU. But I'm thinking the "system" is using CPU which that thing isn't showing/adding up.[7:21]<Aranel> couldn't you stop most of the IO-consuming applications, force umount it[7:21]<Aranel> then convert to ext4?[7:22]<TAFB_ext4> you can't force unmount the drive your operating system is running from, or so I'm told.[7:23]<TAFB_ext4> If I run a full multi threaded CPU load test, the highest I can get my cpu meter to go up is 79%, so the reading could be off by as much as 20% if the background system stuff is using CPU that isn't getting reported.[7:24]<TAFB_ext4> Aranel: http://pastie.org/5587323[7:24]* bs123 (~bs123@78-86-194-10.zone2.bethere.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[7:27]* intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) Quit (Quit: intothev01d)[7:27]<Aranel> TAFB_ext4: don't try to fix it. It makes most of us super jealous[7:27]<Aranel> :)[7:27]<TAFB_ext4> hahaha :)[7:28]* dobra-dobra (~pi@89-74-74-150.dynamic.chello.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[7:28]<TAFB_ext4> I fixed the "free ram" thing to actually show available ram (the +/- buffers) thing, before it only was showing unallocated ram, making it look like I was always running low on ram :)[7:29]* legitnick (~pi@ip68-7-93-217.sd.sd.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[7:29]* SuperMiguel (6c099304@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.9.147.4) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[7:29]* bs123 (~bs123@78-86-194-10.zone2.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[7:30]* dobra-dobra (~pi@89-74-74-150.dynamic.chello.pl) Quit (Client Quit)[7:31]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[7:33]<Grievar> What're the purposes of the other pin headers besides P1?[7:33]<TAFB_ext4> one is for camera and one if for lcd screen[7:33]<TAFB_ext4> those ones?[7:35]<dr_willis> Then theres the Skynet World Domination connector.[7:35]* cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe[7:35]<TAFB_ext4> lol[7:35]<dr_willis> Hmm. My old GameCube has a little bity 'portable' lcd. ;) that has Pi-potential[7:36]<dr_willis> Pi-tential[7:37]<TAFB_ext4> lol[7:39]* clear` (~clear@c-76-18-33-153.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[7:40]<TAFB_ext4> alright, going to backup my SSD then it's EXT4 time :) woot. love how fast SSD's are for backin up :)[7:40]<Tachyon`> I found some cheap possibly suitable small LCDs the other day[7:40]<Tachyon`> one sec while I find the link[7:40]<TAFB_ext4> nice! i'll check it out when I come back, brb :)[7:41]<Grievar> wait[7:41]<Tachyon`> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150715003190?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649[7:41]<Grievar> the sound output on the pi comes from PWM pins[7:41]<Tachyon`> composite unfortunately[7:41]<Grievar> really?[7:41]<Tachyon`> but it does 640x480 and it's cheap[7:43]<Tachyon`> the only other wrinkle is it needs a 12v supply but it might (and I stress might) be 5v internally if you find the regulator and connect after it, I've not got one yet to check though as they take 3 weeks to arrive[7:43]<Grievar> lol I like how the schematic notes say "do not fill holes" for P5[7:43]<Grievar> and the holes are filled[7:44]<Gorroth> i like filling holes[7:46]* phenom (~L7@unaffiliated/phenom) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[7:47]* Quietlyawesome94 (~chatzilla@c-68-47-241-171.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120722203403])[7:47]* phenom (~L7@unaffiliated/phenom) has joined #raspberrypi[7:48]<dr_willis> Theres plenty of Potholes in the roads around here....[7:51]* ebswift (~ebswift@ppp118-208-104-167.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net) has joined #raspberrypi[7:51]<ebswift> hey all, running raspbian, i seem to have somehow lost sudo?? sudo bash gives 'permission denied' as does sudo 'anything else'[7:51]<ebswift> how do i restore sudo?[7:52]<dr_willis> ebswift: this is as your pi user?[7:52]<ebswift> yep, i have changed the hostname, but i'm sure i was running it fine afterwards[7:52]<dr_willis> or did you make a differnt user with sudorights?[7:52]<ebswift> so yes, 'pi'[7:52]<dr_willis> Hostname.. Doh! that can break sudo if you did it wrong[7:53]<ebswift> hmm, it was switched off and on a few times before i saw this[7:53]<ebswift> (and worked in between)[7:53]<dr_willis> well.. ie seen people alter their hostname in ubuntu break sudo[7:53]<ebswift> i can access the files on the sd card from my ubuntu build[7:53]<dr_willis> /msg ubotu hostname will give some info on it.[7:53]<ebswift> k, will look[7:54]<dr_willis> i rarely change my hostnames[7:54]<ebswift> yeah, newbie here and i read one of those 'i always...' blogs[7:55]<dr_willis> you just need to make sure its changed in 2 differnt files i recall.[7:55]<dr_willis> and have the old/new name in one file..just in case. ;)[7:55]<ebswift> i did the two changes and it did all seem fine[7:55]<ebswift> i noticed a problem when the network would not give me an ip, something stopped working[7:56]* akiwiguy (~Zarek@unaffiliated/akiwiguy) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2)[7:57]<Gorroth> i have never seen a hostname ever affect sudo[7:57]<ebswift> i suspect some kind of corruption, though nothing leaps out... the system boots[7:57]<Gorroth> check your user in getent group | grep pi[7:57]<ebswift> the two symptoms are loss of network connectivity and loss of sudo[7:58]<Gorroth> make sure you're in the proper group that sudo expects in the sudoers file[7:58]<Gorroth> no, loss of network has nothing to do with sudo[7:58]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ext4: i still can't figure out why is that nas so fast, just refreshing a webui on my local network (Pi) takes 1-5 seconds[7:58]<Gorroth> they're unrelated[7:58]<Gorroth> only if you're using a network information service for your group info might it affect it[7:58]<Gorroth> group/user info[7:58]<ebswift> well getting sudo back is step 1[7:59]* Walther (walther@kapsi.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[7:59]* netman87 (netman87@kapsi.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[8:00]<ebswift> i see a sudo:x:27:pi[8:00]<Gorroth> type 'id' in your prompt[8:01]<ebswift> there's a 27(sudo)[8:01]<ebswift> and other things like users and netdev[8:02]<Gorroth> okay, but what is your username[8:02]<Gorroth> and uid[8:02]<ebswift> uid=1000(pi)[8:03]<ebswift> username, not sure where that's referenced, i logged in as pi[8:03]<Gorroth> okay, and what is the message you get when you do 'sudo su -'[8:03]<Gorroth> yes, you had it right when you showed me that[8:03]<ebswift> -bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Permission denied[8:03]<Gorroth> ls -l /usr/bin/sudo[8:04]<ebswift> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 218940 Jul 10 05:17 /usr/bin/sudo[8:04]<Gorroth> that's your problem[8:04]<Gorroth> it's not set as executable[8:05]<Gorroth> are all your files in /usr/bin like that?[8:05]<ebswift> what's the ls command to see?[8:05]<Gorroth> ls -l /usr/bin[8:06]<dr_willis> thats weird.[8:06]<Gorroth> an executable file should have something like -rwxr-xr-x on it[8:06]<dr_willis> it should be suid shouldent it?[8:06]<dr_willis> or that dosent make sence. l;)([8:06]<ebswift> erm, actually, they're colour-coded executable i think, and there are 3 files which are white - not executable, and those three start with 'sudo'[8:06]<Gorroth> ebswift: you will see 'x' in the permission category if they're executable. ignore the colors[8:07]<Gorroth> dr_willis: yes, it needs suid, but that's something to worry about later[8:08]<dr_willis> i wonder how he managed to alter the permissions of it.[8:08]<Gorroth> i have ideas on how[8:08]<Gorroth> i want to see his feedback first[8:09]<ebswift> there are a LOT of files, but i see 'x' at the end of the listing for all of them bar the three files - 'sudo', 'sudoedit' and 'sudoreplay'[8:09]<ebswift> i have access to a ubuntu dist where i can do a chmod on them[8:09]<Gorroth> yeah, you shoulddo that[8:09]<Gorroth> sudo needs 4755[8:09]<ebswift> k, i will try[8:09]<ebswift> can i just do chmod +x sudo ?[8:10]<Gorroth> no[8:10]<Gorroth> 4755[8:10]<ebswift> k[8:10]<ebswift> chmod 4755 sudo[8:10]<Gorroth> yes[8:10]* trentg 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the other days asking just that sundancer[8:22]<dr_willis> I think the wifi configs in /etc/ have that option[8:22]<dr_willis> you can have a stanza/entry for each ssid[8:22]<dr_willis> but thatss about all i rember on it. :) he was working on a fancy script.. then found out it was a feature of the networkconfig tools[8:23]<clear`> would also depend on the OS[8:23]<sundancer> raspbian[8:24]* Yotson (~yot@2001:980:6ac8:1:f9c6:96ac:c0df:11dc) has joined #raspberrypi[8:25]<clear`> http://www.marcomc.com/2012/09/how-to-configure-wireless-lan-on-raspberrypi-with-raspbian-kernel-3-2-27-and-solwise-rtl8188cus-wifi-dongle/[8:25]<clear`> see if that will help you[8:26]<sundancer> clear` thank you but i already have wifi up and running[8:26]<dr_willis> the config file can have a seperate entry for each ssid.[8:27]<sundancer> can you point me to a `man' page or something? i never figured out how to define separate entries[8:27]<ebswift> i've got an example of separate entries at the end of my doco here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TZUCrLX5VnlHDCmrMFW7jj5hiED7FkMchHHUmzaXwfs/edit[8:28]<ebswift> there's a 'home' and 'work', though untested so far[8:30]* [vaelen] (~vaelen@c-50-136-210-30.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[8:30]<ebswift> now that i have to rebuild my image i can see if my instructions are still up to date... i have a feeling the usb-modeswitch may be already there on newer rasbian[8:31]<sundancer> many thanks![8:34]<ebswift> hope it helped/works :)[8:35]<sundancer> in the office we have WPA2-Personal security mode, AES algorithm and preshared key[8:35]<sundancer> how should this be defined in config?[8:35]<sundancer> proto=RSN .. what is that[8:35]<sundancer> again, manual page appretiated :)[8:36]<sundancer> is this wpasupplicant stuff?[8:37]<hyperair> wpa_supplicant.conf(5)[8:37]<hyperair> yes it is.[8:37]<hyperair> # RSN = WPA2/IEEE 802.11i (also WPA2 can be used as an alias for RSN)[8:37]<hyperair> http://www.lsi.upc.edu/lclsi/Manuales/wireless/files/wpa_supplicant.conf[8:38]<sundancer> thank you![8:38]<hyperair> hmm i didn't know solwise made wifi dongles.[8:39]* hyperair had an aztech router that had a solwise equivalent that used the same firmware[8:40]<ebswift> sorry, just afk for a couple of minutes...[8:42]<dr_willis> the config file can have a seperate entry for each ssid.[8:42]<dr_willis> r[8:48]<dr_willis> we.. xbian seems to work very well. I still wonder why xbian and openelec both seem to take like 90% of the cpu just to display the gui.[8:48]<dr_willis> its not even playing a movie[8:49]<TAFB_ext4> dr_willis: it constantly draws the screen 60 times per second[8:49]<dr_willis> what if i turn off the tv. ;P[8:49]<TAFB_ext4> not sure :)[8:50]<dr_willis> its going to be working as a upnp server also. so it seems a little too cpu intenive to just sit there all day doing that[8:50]<TAFB_ext4> hmm tricky[8:51]<dr_willis> it is working well as a upnp server. :) openelec and xbian both see each other and share files to each other.[8:51]<dr_willis> couldent figure out why xbian wasent seeing openelec.. but then i realized.. openelec had no files to share. ;P[8:52]* ebswift (~ebswift@ppp118-208-104-167.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net) Quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)[8:57]* cpg (~cpg@mail2.danslereseau.com) has joined #raspberrypi[9:00]<Tachyon`> ooh, the new RaspBMC is way faster[9:02]* [vaelen] (~vaelen@c-50-136-210-30.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[9:03]<dr_willis> oh. nifty.[9:03]<dr_willis> been compareing the 3 xbmc-for-the-pi disrtos. ;) raspbmc had some issues...[9:04]<dr_willis> so it was in 3rd place. ;P[9:05]<dr_willis> i need a 3rd Pi. so i can try all 3 at the same time...[9:05]* netman87 (netman87@kapsi.fi) has joined #raspberrypi[9:05]<sundancer> thanks guys, this wpasupplicant works in the office :) i will se if i had done setup allright when i get back home[9:06]* mdim (~user@c-98-202-219-86.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:06]* dr_willis closes the support ticket.[9:07]<dr_willis> ;)[9:07]<sundancer> hm is there a way to remove all GUI stuff? im not using Xorg and i have only 22MB left on my SD card (out of 2GB) :)[9:07]<sundancer> dr_willis :))[9:07]<dr_willis> apt-get remove stuffyoudontwant[9:07]* mdim (~user@c-98-202-219-86.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) has left #raspberrypi[9:08]<dr_willis> 2gb? :) i gave away all those little cards i had. should of kept them. but everyone got digital photo frames a few xmass back as gifts.. so i loaded up all the pics on them.[9:08]* gabriel9|work (~quassel@9-133-241-92-ptp.stat.customer.blic.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:08]<dr_willis> found a bunch on sale for $2 each on clearance.[9:08]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[9:09]<dr_willis> found 32gb ones on sale for $20 recently[9:09]* fayimora (~fayimora@95.175.159.8) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[9:10]<geordie> sundancer: debfoster is a good tool for removing things you don't need or want[9:12]<dr_willis> hmm. playing a video. and updateing video files.. top shows 70% CPU Used.[9:13]<sundancer> damn im dying on waiting for piana release or minecraft pi edition[9:19]<sundancer> geordie great tool :)[9:19]* wchance (~chatzilla@c-50-140-118-181.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[9:26]* rvalles (~rvalles@unaffiliated/rvalles) has joined #raspberrypi[9:30]* dc5ala (~dc5ala@stgt-5f709cce.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:31]<dr_willis> Hmm.. i cant figure out xbmcs playlist feature... ;)[9:31]<dr_willis> just wanting to take all the eps from like 4 differnt directories and mix them up randomly and play.[9:32]* teepee (~quassel@p508471DC.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[9:35]* Haaninjo (~anders@85.8.55.65) has joined #raspberrypi[9:37]* MillerGD247 (~MillerGD2@unaffiliated/millergd247) has joined #raspberrypi[9:39]* formax_ is now known as formax[9:45]* KuchenKerze (~kuchenker@145.243.180.0) has joined #raspberrypi[9:45]* Spiffy (~Spiffy@unaffiliated/spiffy) has joined #raspberrypi[9:45]* KuchenKerze (~kuchenker@145.243.180.0) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[9:46]* KuchenKerze (~kuchenker@p4FDFD061.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[9:48]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[9:48]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[9:49]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) has joined #raspberrypi[9:51]* monkers (~james2@unaffiliated/monkeypaws) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[9:53]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[9:53]<cpg> hi, i just booted my pi for the first time (using fedora reminx), but it does not seem to see the 512mb that is supposed to be there[9:54]<cpg> was looking for advice on how to tweak it to recognize the rest[9:55]* ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-away[9:55]<TAFB_ext4> didn't know there was fedora for the Pi :)[9:56]<TAFB_ext4> i broke my box bad messing with fstab, it's doing a restore now :)[9:56]* bs123 (~bs123@78-86-194-10.zone2.bethere.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[9:57]<Draylor> hah, always a fun way to kill things[9:57]<TAFB_ext4> yeah :( converted ext3 to ext4 and it booted! I was like YAY! So i added some funky stuff to my fstab options "noatime,data=writeback,barrier=0,nobh,errors=remount-ro"[9:57]<TAFB_ext4> and then she no boot[9:58]<TAFB_ext4> so I took the drive, put it in knoppix live linux, removed my fstab config and put it back the way it was, and still no boot :([9:58]<TAFB_ext4> so now it's re-imaging the drive from the backup I made right before I started messing around :)[10:01]<Draylor> hah[10:01]<Draylor> at least you bothered with a backup, most wouldnt :)[10:01]<TAFB_ext4> yeah, it's SSD so it backs up fast :) and I put so much work into it, just got qmail all set up today (omg, lol), so didn't wanna mess it.[10:02]<Macer> has the problem with sd corruption in turbo mode been addressed ?[10:02]<TAFB_ext4> was reading ext3 to ext4 can be a problem, if your volume gets flagged dirty it won't boot from it, etc. so I didn't wanna risk it, especially on a box with no graphics card![10:02]<Macer> i haven't checked on that in a while :)[10:02]<TAFB_ext4> Macer: nope, but you can use your own custom config and screw raspi-config and 1ghz works peachy.[10:03]<Macer> TAFB_ext4: ah ok... i am running 950 now as it is[10:03]<Macer> :)[10:03]<Macer> i was just curious if the turbo mode was fixed.. not sure exactly what it does but it sounds faster[10:03]<Macer> like a loud muffler on a car going 20mph[10:04]<TAFB_ext4> lol[10:04]<Macer> i mean does it even help when you run 1GHz?[10:04]<TAFB_ext4> I like loud mufflers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHPGnl7vpB0[10:05]<Macer> i figure it just handled the clock freq a bit faster or something[10:05]<TAFB_ext4> whops, wrong vid :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15k1vvDeEvo[10:05]<TAFB_ext4> not sure much of a diff between 950 and 1ghz[10:05]<Macer> i got my other 2 pis yesterday[10:05]<TAFB_ext4> do you know your mips speed currently?[10:05]<Macer> no not off the top of my head[10:05]<TAFB_ext4> k. at 1ghz it's 992[10:05]<TAFB_ext4> so if you run that cpuinfo thing[10:05]<Macer> i only use the one that is set up as a media player[10:05]<TAFB_ext4> you'll get an idea of the diff.[10:06]<Macer> i'm going to set up the 3rd one as a "desktop"[10:06]<Macer> heh[10:06]<TAFB_ext4> lol[10:06]<Macer> i'm sure it will be aweful :)[10:06]<TAFB_ext4> to stare at the screen, sure. to browse the web, not so much[10:06]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-124-176-107-226.lns5.ken.bigpond.net.au) has joined #raspberrypi[10:06]<Macer> really? but other armv6 stuff browses the web just fine[10:07]<TAFB_ext4> I dunno. My Pi really sucked for the web, lxde/xwindows doesn't have GPU accelleration so as soon as you click one thing or go to one page cpu is at 100%[10:07]<Macer> i could see using ff as something that totally sucks[10:07]<Macer> oh wow really?[10:08]<Macer> what's up with that?[10:08]<Macer> why no gpu accel?[10:08]<TAFB_ext4> not sure, it's a special GPU for the Pi so no driver for xwindows/lxde yet.[10:08]<Macer> wow.. wtf? :)[10:08]<Macer> that sure hurts performance[10:08]<TAFB_ext4> for sure, especially at 1080p res[10:08]<TAFB_ext4> you can watch it draw the pixels[10:08]<Macer> lmao!![10:09]<Macer> how are the xbmc distros accessing it?[10:09]* shurizzle (~shura@unaffiliated/shurizzle) has joined #raspberrypi[10:09]<TAFB_ext4> oxmplayer[10:09]<TAFB_ext4> has the gpu stuff in it[10:09]<dr_willis> Macer: testing them out rught now.[10:09]<dr_willis> They seem very well done.[10:10]<Macer> but i thought the xbmc menu is accel[10:10]<Macer> otherwise it wouln't work :)[10:10]<dr_willis> openelec. xbian. and raspbmc are the only 3 i know of.. I heard that the newest raspbmc showed some improvement..[10:10]<dr_willis> just the idling menu of xbmc = 90% cpu load.[10:10]<Macer> oe is the best one[10:10]<dr_willis> when it starts playing videos its down to 79%[10:10]<dr_willis> ;)[10:10]<TAFB_ext4> rofl[10:10]<Macer> really? mine drops to under 50 when playing video[10:10]<dr_willis> xbian has a slight lead ;) in my 'tests'[10:11]<Macer> heh[10:11]<TAFB_ext4> more video to draw the menu than stream 1080p ;)[10:11]<dr_willis> i was also scanning videos/updateing stuff[10:11]<Hoerie> <dr_willis> just the idling menu of xbmc = 90% cpu load. <-- only if you look in xbmc[10:11]<Macer> i tried all of them and oe was the best one[10:11]<Hoerie> as it needs to redraw the graph, which takes cpu[10:11]<dr_willis> i had top going over ssh.[10:11]<Macer> i think the menu is still accelerated tho[10:11]<Hoerie> mine idles a lot lower than that[10:11]<Macer> the high cpu usage is for other things.. like processing menu movements[10:11]<Macer> background processes for xbmc etc[10:11]<Macer> like redrawing your fanart :)[10:12]<Hoerie> 24% atm[10:12]<TAFB_ext4> omg, re-imaging is done... pray for me people, pray my box boots :([10:12]<TAFB_ext4> brb[10:12]* TAFB_ext4 is now known as TAFB_ext3[10:12]<Macer> but i am shocked that the X driver for the pi in raspbian doesn't have gpu accel[10:12]<Macer> that's horrible :)[10:12]<Macer> reminds me of the n810[10:13]<Hoerie> <Macer> but i am shocked that the X driver for the pi in raspbian doesn't have gpu accel <-- they didn't get around to doing it yet[10:13]<Macer> n810 had a powervr gpu that never got a driver[10:13]<Macer> neither open nor blob[10:13]<Macer> so you had a gpu just sitting there doing nothing heh[10:13]<Hoerie> so did the htc kaiser[10:14]<Macer> that's just crazy[10:14]<Macer> sounds like something apple would do to maek a new iphone seem better[10:14]<Hoerie> it's just cutting cost[10:14]<Macer> "now with better 3d"[10:14]<Hoerie> for a commercial phone, it is rather close to false advertising[10:14]<dr_willis> Ok. nothing playing.. sitting at the main menu xbmc.bin is jumping from 30 to 60% of cpu according to top from a ssh session. ;)[10:14]<Macer> that $50 to pay some india indian dev for 2 weeks worth of work making an accel blob would have been too much? :)[10:14]<Hoerie> for something like the pi it is simply a work-in-progress thing[10:15]<Hoerie> <Macer> that $50 to pay some india indian dev for 2 weeks worth of work making an accel blob would have been too much? :) <-- I'm hoping you don't really believe that[10:15]* stayarrr (~stayarrr@p4FE93B64.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[10:15]<Macer> Hoerie: isn't that what google does for android?[10:16]<Macer> i know hc was a huge debacle[10:16]<Macer> sent it to india.. they took it and wrote a ton of awful code for it.. got it back .. and spent months fixing it.. and somehow that was cheaper[10:16]<TAFB_ext3> yay! you're praying for me worked! it booted!! http://tafb.yi.org/[10:16]<Hoerie> I am not privy to how Google developes android, I would be surprised if coding 3d acceleration would take anyone 2 weeks though[10:16]<TAFB_ext3> yay[10:16]<Macer> Hoerie: not the acceleration no.. but a driver to access it maybe[10:17]<Hoerie> if you think it's so easy, perhaps you could do it and release to the public ;-)[10:17]<Macer> Hoerie: i would but i'm sure from whomever the gpu is derived would fight tooth and nail[10:17]<Macer> there is no such thing as "open" hardware[10:18]<Macer> software maybe :) and most of that was from devs running decompilers on stuff and then repackaging it with different code to avoid getting sued[10:18]<Macer> wwhich is where i am sure a lot of the open drivers in linux came from[10:19]<Hoerie> for the 3d chip in the htc kaiser, there were drivers - htc just didn't feel like paying to license them and kept saying 'we'll release drivers later'[10:19]<Macer> Hoerie: same thing happened to a lot of devices[10:19]<Macer> just like the n810 heh... there was an awesome arm decompiler but the company ran like.. dna testing in order to sell it to you[10:19]<Spiffy> htc did the same thing with the GPS in a phone I had ??? The chip was there, and active. HTC just didn't enable it in their firmware. Thanks a lot a-holes...[10:20]<Macer> Spiffy: you should have seen the n900 and n9[10:20]<Macer> devs were geared up because nokia announced a "new and open platform"[10:20]<Macer> and it was anything but[10:20]<Macer> huge chunks of maemo were closed[10:20]<Macer> talk about marketing fail[10:21]<Spiffy> Also, it fell apart for no good reason. Got a new one 3 times ??? all fell apart for no reason. Guess it was put together by little children???[10:21]<Hoerie> more like people having different understandings of open[10:21]<Spiffy> The n900 you could just install debian on, right?[10:21]* neilr (~neilr@54.25.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined #raspberrypi[10:21]<Macer> Hoerie: not really.. more like companies just using the word "open" to give people the impression that it will be open :)[10:22]<Macer> saying we released a dev kit is not open.. especially when you disallow almost all access to the hardware[10:22]<Macer> you can make a hello world! app.... have a nice day[10:22]* c_k is now known as captain^k[10:22]* captain^k is now known as c_k[10:22]<Hoerie> if there's an api with documentation, that is more open than no api and no documentation[10:23]<Macer> an api is just a way to keep something closed and say it isn't[10:23]<Macer> it't like hardware drm heh[10:23]<Hoerie> it also allows companies to not risk losing an innovative edge[10:24]<Macer> you mean it prevents the chinese from mass replicating their hardware[10:24]<Hoerie> something like that yes[10:24]<Macer> then that means it is closed ;)[10:24]<Macer> as i stated earlier.. there is no such thing as open hardware[10:24]<Hoerie> only up to a certain level, it's not a black and white situation[10:25]<Macer> it is very black and white... nobody wants to put up the money required to create a truly open platform because they are worried about a return on their investment[10:25]<Hoerie> I'd rather have something workable than wait for the utopian totally open linux-zealot approved stuff to arrive[10:25]<Macer> realistically it would be possible through branding[10:26]<Macer> but who wants to try that? :) plus most companies... the pi foundation included.. make their own hardware[10:26]<Macer> it is all the same thing slapped together differently[10:26]<Hoerie> in the end companies have to do this, and they would rather have more profit than less[10:27]<Macer> Hoerie: if the pi foundation funded a truly open platform which didn't have arm licensing attachments and gpu licensing(closed) attachments .. they would still sell them very well because of their branding and their intent[10:27]<Hoerie> and there are a lot more Apple buying people than openness fundamentalists in the world[10:27]<Hoerie> except they would either get nothing done, or have to do it all themselves - spending a lot of money they don't have[10:27]<Macer> and imagine.. apple products are simply x86 hardware and the same arm hardware you use in other systems.. just branded and marketed better[10:28]<Macer> maybe.. nobody has tried it[10:28]<Hoerie> perhaps that is an indication in and of itself ;-)[10:28]<Macer> perhaps[10:28]<Macer> either way... no hardware is open :)[10:29]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined #raspberrypi[10:29]<Hoerie> I wasn't saying it was, I'm just saying that (to me) it isn't that important[10:29]<Macer> like i said earlier.. all of the open drivers are just reversed engineered closed drivers which are sometimes incredibly lacking[10:29]<Macer> case in point: wifi adapters in linux[10:29]<Macer> and of course.. gpu acceleration :)[10:30]<Macer> but companies are quick to market things as being "open" although that isn't much of a buzzword nowadays[10:31]<Macer> luckily for the world "cloud" is fading away too[10:31]<Hoerie> perhaps they should say "more open"[10:31]<Macer> or perhaps they should just not say open at all and tell everybody they're stuck with apis which is how it really winds up anyways[10:32]<Macer> since you will run into roadblocks left and right with any soc[10:32]<Macer> through 10 layers of cascading licenses :)[10:33]<Hoerie> socs aren't really a consumer product yet[10:33]<Hoerie> so they are always going to be mired in licenses and nda's[10:33]* bs123 (~bs123@78-86-194-10.zone2.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[10:36]* shiftplusone (~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) has joined #raspberrypi[10:36]* shift_ (~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) has joined #raspberrypi[10:37]* shift_ (~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) Quit (Client Quit)[10:39]<davzie> Anyone here familiar with Raspbmc?[10:39]<Hoerie> I am, slightly[10:39]* Weaselweb (~quassel@77-64-181-50.dynamic.primacom.net) has joined #raspberrypi[10:39]<davzie> Well I was wondering[10:39]<davzie> Is it persistant[10:39]<davzie> For example, if I made my own changes to the OS, installed some debs for example, will that remain forever?[10:40]<Hoerie> you mean after a powerdown/powerup?[10:40]<davzie> Yup[10:40]<Hoerie> I have znc running on mine and it works[10:40]<Hoerie> you just need to edit config.txt through xbmc I think[10:41]<davzie> For what reason?[10:41]<Hoerie> I'm not sure, I just see that in the faq/forum[10:42]<Hoerie> perhaps just due to the difference between windows/linux line termination[10:42]<davzie> Hmm okay, but your ZNC installation remains after a power cycle?[10:42]<Hoerie> yes[10:42]* [SLB]` is now known as [SLB][10:42]<davzie> Awesome.[10:42]<Hoerie> I just haven't made it auto start yet[10:42]<davzie> Finally getting a N150 Wifi dongle and power supply today so I can start to play :)[10:43]* TAFB_ext3 is now known as TAFB_ext4[10:45]* jheronimus (~ilembitov@0893866514.static.corbina.ru) has joined #raspberrypi[10:46]* mgottschlag (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) has joined #raspberrypi[10:53]* Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk[10:54]* submitform (~submitfor@c-67-173-205-41.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[10:57]* netman87 (netman87@kapsi.fi) Quit (Quit: leaving)[10:57]* netman87 (netman87@kapsi.fi) has joined #raspberrypi[11:02]<dr_willis> you can make changes to all 3 of the xbmc-pi-disrtos ive been testing. ;)[11:03]<dr_willis> xbian has a nice shell-config tool for many tweaks. and a few of them have xbmc-based gui config tools also for configuring the actual os[11:03]* KuchenKe_ (~kuchenker@145.243.180.0) has joined #raspberrypi[11:03]<dr_willis> still not sure how to enable bluetooth on them... need to look into that[11:04]* jheronimus (~ilembitov@0893866514.static.corbina.ru) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:05]* shiftplusone (~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[11:06]* KuchenKerze (~kuchenker@p4FDFD061.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[11:07]* bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) has joined #raspberrypi[11:08]* stayarrr (~stayarrr@p4FE93B64.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[11:08]* S0-2 (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) has joined #raspberrypi[11:10]* E1ven (~E1ven@SQ7/ProjectLead/E1ven) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[11:10]* dr_willis (~dr_willis@c-68-53-185-131.hsd1.in.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: ZNC - 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Just don't bet on high profile 1080p[11:23]<davzie> I don't do 1080p[11:23]<davzie> Only 720[11:24]<Spiffy> Depends on how compressed it is, really. Bitrate and all.[11:24]* shift_ (~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) has joined #raspberrypi[11:24]* taypo (~bahadir.y@78.187.240.66) has joined #raspberrypi[11:25]* shift_ (~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) Quit (Client Quit)[11:28]* str0be (~pi@client-86-23-34-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[11:28]* DexterLB (~angel@87-126-19-80.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[11:29]* voxadam (~voxadam@c-71-59-211-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:29]<str0be> where do scrots go by default?[11:30]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28D03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi[11:32]<Coburn> scrots?[11:33]<str0be> screenshots created by the command scrot[11:33]<Coburn> uh.... current working directory?[11:33]* str0be (~pi@client-86-23-34-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[11:33]<Coburn> ls[11:34]* sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-193-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) has joined #raspberrypi[11:37]* frikinz (~frikinz@quinput.org) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 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all[13:07]<viric> grmbl weird deadlock in the pi[13:08]<viric> I've a sh process 'dead' in some fun way. /proc/PID/fd has no links, and "ls -l /proc/PID/fd" says it can't read symlinks for exe,cwd or root.[13:08]<viric> ah, it's a zombie... grmbl[13:09]* shiftplusone (~shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:10]<Spiffy> Which is best, OpenELEC, XBian or Raspbmc ? Which has the newest version of xbmc?[13:13]* [SLB]` is now known as [SLB][13:13]* MadeAllUp (~MadeAllUp@cpc4-haye19-2-0-cust443.17-4.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[13:14]<TAFB_ext4> Oh baby!!! Converted my box from EXT3 to EXT4, custom fstab and enabled write journaling, MASSIVE boost in write speed :) http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-23-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_Sandisk_SSD_iozone_EXT3_vs_EXT4_test.png[13:14]* S0-2 is now known as SgrA[13:16]<TechDesk> the option "dwc_otg.speed=1" in the file "cmdline.txt" is dangerous for usb adaptater wireless kerboard+mouse ?[13:16]<TechDesk> my adaptater is dead after this option[13:16]* bs123 (bs123@cpc3-craw2-0-0-cust142.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[13:17]<TechDesk> i have microsoft kerboard+mouse 3000[13:17]<TechDesk> keybord*[13:20]* fayimora (~fayimora@95.175.159.8) has joined #raspberrypi[13:22]* hepukt4e (~hep@178.150.87.60) has joined #raspberrypi[13:23]* hepukt4e (~hep@178.150.87.60) Quit (Client Quit)[13:29]* rvl (~john.doe@d54C2B7B3.access.telenet.be) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:29]* akiwiguy (~Zarek@unaffiliated/akiwiguy) has joined #raspberrypi[13:31]* bizarro_1 (~bizarro_1@239.Red-79-158-54.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #raspberrypi[13:31]* ninjak (~ninjak@151.66.181.217) has joined #raspberrypi[13:33]* KuchenKe_ (~kuchenker@145.243.180.0) has joined #raspberrypi[13:36]<Launch_Director> TAFB_ext4: wow well your welcome :)[13:36]<TechDesk> ok ...[13:36]* KuchenKerze (~kuchenker@p4FDFD061.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:39]* legitnick (~toor@ip68-7-93-217.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi[13:39]<TAFB_ext4> hehe :)[13:39]<TAFB_ext4> lovin it! soooo fast, so awesome :) was so hard to get workin tho[13:39]<Launch_Director> ohboy..Pi sure takes its time when compiling[13:39]* felipealmeida (~user@mvx-187-16-79-187.mundivox.com) has joined #raspberrypi[13:40]* mingdao (~mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) Quit (Read error: No route to host)[13:42]* Elite6809 (~tom@unaffiliated/elite6809) has joined #raspberrypi[13:42]<Elite6809> Hey[13:43]<viric> TomWij: pump works :)[13:43]<viric> much faster than without pump[13:44]* mingdao (~mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) has joined #raspberrypi[13:44]<Elite6809> I have an issue. My Pi is connected directly to my router on 192.168.1.8. The main user is the default, 'pi'. The user I'm logged into n my PC is 'tom'. When I try to ssh into my Pi with 'ssh 192.168.1.8' it asks for 'tom@192.168.1.8's password, even though there is no account on the Pi called tom[13:44]<TechDesk> how can i extend the partition / ?[13:45]<TechDesk> http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/454902[13:45]<TechDesk> i can delete /home, it's empty[13:45]* Xark (~chatzilla@cpe-50-113-123-229.san.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[13:45]<mingdao> Elite6809: ssh pi@192.168.1.8[13:45]<Elite6809> Thankyou so much :D[13:45]<mingdao> Elite6809: yw[13:52]* legitnick (~toor@ip68-7-93-217.sd.sd.cox.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[13:55]* Spiffy (~Spiffy@unaffiliated/spiffy) Quit (Quit: Very funny Scotty, NOW BEAM DOWN MY CLOTHES!)[13:55]* boru|off is now known as boru[13:56]* Milos|Netbook (Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[13:56]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) Quit (Quit: Gadget-Mac)[13:57]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined #raspberrypi[13:58]* tektsu (~Adium@wsip-174-79-34-244.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #raspberrypi[13:58]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) Quit (Client Quit)[14:07]* markbook (~markllama@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[14:08]* Elite6809 (~tom@unaffiliated/elite6809) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[14:15]* Lord_DeathMatch (~Lord_Deat@CPE-124-176-107-226.lns5.ken.bigpond.net.au) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[14:15]* Elite6809 (~tom@unaffiliated/elite6809) has joined #raspberrypi[14:16]<Elite6809> I've got my Pi up and running with apache :D[14:16]* teepee (~quassel@p508471DC.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[14:16]<Elite6809> The help from this channel has been greatly beneficial, thankyou to all of you[14:16]* scummos^ (~sven@p57B19A8A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[14:17]<scummos^> hmm, what's the max current through the 3.3V pins again, 50mA?[14:19]* taypo (~bahadir.y@78.187.240.66) has left #raspberrypi[14:20]<erska> I saw 16mA somewhere[14:21]<erska> looks like 16mA: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1130/what-is-the-nominal-gpio-pin-output-current[14:23]* cpg is now known as cpg|away[14:25]<scummos^> that's per logic pin I think[14:25]<scummos^> if you just use the +3.3V and GND pins it's more afaik[14:26]<erska> ah, I misunderstood your question, sorry[14:26]<erska> I thought you meant the GPIO pins[14:26]* peol (~peol@unaffiliated/peol) Quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/)[14:28]* peol (~peol@unaffiliated/peol) has joined #raspberrypi[14:28]* dangerousdave (~dangerous@78.156.71.46) has joined #raspberrypi[14:28]<scummos^> there was an overall maximum for all pins, but I don't remember if it was 200mA or 50mA[14:29]* neilr (~neilr@54.25.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has left #raspberrypi[14:30]<scummos^> ok so apparently the official spec is 50mA but it's pretty paranoid[14:31]* neilr (~neilr@54.25.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined #raspberrypi[14:32]<scummos^> seems it's drawn directly from the voltage regulator, so you can probably take whatever the voltage regulator gives you[14:32]* felipealmeida (~user@mvx-187-16-79-187.mundivox.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[14:34]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[14:34]* felipealmeida (~user@mvx-187-16-79-187.mundivox.com) has joined #raspberrypi[14:35]<scummos^> how many layers does the pi's PCB have, 4? 8?[14:37]<erska> 6[14:38]* Elite6809 (~tom@unaffiliated/elite6809) Quit (Quit: leaving)[14:43]<scummos^> cool ;p[14:43]* TobiasTheViking (~tobias@1385167713.dhcp.dbnet.dk) has left #raspberrypi[14:45]<viric> are the schematics available? I didn't even check[14:45]<Elbios> yeah, on the official website[14:45]<viric> nice[14:47]* harbaum (~quassel@2001:8d8:1fe:8:64c8:53dd:c90e:b106) has joined #raspberrypi[14:50]* TechDesk (~TechDesk@66.197.13.109.rev.sfr.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:57]* FFes (~quassel@53545D49.cm-6-5b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[14:57]* dc5ala (~dc5ala@stgt-5f709cce.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[14:59]* Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky[15:03]* teepee (~quassel@tmo-096-142.customers.d1-online.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:04]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #raspberrypi[15:06]<neilr> file:///%3CNetSurf$Dir%3E/Docs/welcome/index_en[15:06]<neilr> oops[15:07]* peetaur2 (~peter@hmbg-4d06ae7a.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:09]<viric> anyone displaying youtube videos in firefox?[15:09]* dreamon_ (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[15:09]* Holden (~holden@unaffiliated/holdenc) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[15:12]<scummos^> hmm, should I risk drawing ~180mA from the +3.3V output? :D[15:12]<scummos^> I don't really have a voltage regulator[15:12]<scummos^> to 3.3V, that is[15:15]* akiwiguy (~Zarek@unaffiliated/akiwiguy) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2)[15:15]* markbook (~markllama@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:17]* neilr (~neilr@54.25.187.81.in-addr.arpa) Quit ()[15:18]* psn (~psn@konversation/developer/psn) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:18]* xnyhps (~xnyhps@s.xnyhps.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:19]* Nolaan (~nolaan@78.193.54.211) has joined #raspberrypi[15:20]* psn (~psn@konversation/developer/psn) has joined #raspberrypi[15:20]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[15:20]<Nolaan> Hey guys, I wanna know how to disable the RPi firewall[15:20]* xnyhps (~xnyhps@s.xnyhps.nl) has joined #raspberrypi[15:20]<scummos^> there's no such thing as a raspberry pi firewall[15:21]<scummos^> maybe looking at the iptables manpage could possibly help you[15:21]* harbaum (~quassel@2001:8d8:1fe:8:64c8:53dd:c90e:b106) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[15:22]* RaycisCharles (RaycisChar@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:25]* pksato (~PEBKAC@unaffiliated/pksato) has joined #raspberrypi[15:27]* scummos^ (~sven@p57B19A8A.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[15:27]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) has joined #raspberrypi[15:28]<Nolaan> It doesnt seems to work[15:28]* harbaum (~quassel@2001:8d8:1fe:8:b4a6:9347:e828:f49a) has joined #raspberrypi[15:32]* johnthebear (~Johnthebe@13-165-139.client.wireless.msu.edu) has joined #raspberrypi[15:32]* Kane (~Kane@79.53.197.77.rev.sfr.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:35]<linuxstb> Nolaan: Are you using Raspbian?[15:35]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[15:35]* Milos|Netbook (Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:35]* IT_Sean peers in[15:38]* RaycisCharles (RaycisChar@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[15:39]<xacobe97> hi, there is a library for controlling gpios in python?[15:40]* cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf[15:41]* timmmaaaayyy (~anonymous@cpe-74-73-185-27.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:41]* AndreTheProvost (GentileBen@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:42]<davzie> linuxstb: Does Raspbian have a firewall then?[15:42]<davzie> UFW or something?[15:43]* harbaum (~quassel@2001:8d8:1fe:8:b4a6:9347:e828:f49a) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[15:45]* alexkane (~alex@user-108738h.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #raspberrypi[15:45]* coin3d (~coin3d@p4FE749A4.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[15:46]* coin3d (~coin3d@p4FE749A4.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Client Quit)[15:47]<pksato> davzie: In most cases, Linux system dont need a firewall.[15:47]* SgrA (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2)[15:47]<davzie> pksato: I know, I mean I didn't know if the Raspbmc image came with something that acted like one[15:47]<biberao> yo[15:47]<davzie> Beacuse that would be a PITA[15:47]<biberao> any of you running android on the pi?[15:48]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[15:48]<pksato> davzie: no any firewall script. Just kernel netfilter and itables userland tool.[15:48]<pksato> iptables.[15:49]<davzie> Cool, as long as there isn't UFW I need to remove[15:49]<Nolaan> pksato: That's really really false linux does have firewall[15:49]<Nolaan> ![15:50]<pksato> false linux?[15:50]* Phrewfuf (~Phrewfuf@shackspace/andy) has joined #raspberrypi[15:50]* SgrA (~sgra@unaffiliated/sgra) has joined #raspberrypi[15:50]<biberao> Phrewfuf: he didnt use ","[15:51]<biberao> before linux[15:51]* AndreTheProvost (GentileBen@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:51]<biberao> i mean pksato[15:51]<Nolaan> iptables is in fact a firewall script[15:51]<Phrewfuf> hi. I'm having some difficulties with raspbian and xbmc. when i start xbmc-standalone as root, it works fine, when i start with a nonroot, i can't use the keyboard[15:51]<Phrewfuf> any ideas, why?[15:52]<Nolaan> Phrewfuf: Because it needs some priviledges to access hardware[15:52]<pksato> Phrewfuf: permission, out xbmc user on hw access groups?[15:52]<Phrewfuf> Nolaan: yeah, i was at this, too, found this article linked at raspbian.org and did everything...problem: there is no such group as input[15:53]<pksato> use id command and get pi user groups, id pi[15:53]<davzie> ls -la /dev/ and see what groups are expected[15:54]<pksato> and put xbmc user to same groups.[15:54]<Phrewfuf> pksato: i did not use the preinstalled image[15:54]<Phrewfuf> only users i have are root and phrewfuf..[15:55]<Phrewfuf> obviously comparing the groups of those is a bad idea since root is only member of the group root...[15:55]* schemanen (~schemanen@c83-252-255-175.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #raspberrypi[15:59]* cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe[15:59]<pksato> Phrewfuf: usermod -G audio,video,input,dialout,plugdev xbmc[15:59]<TomWij> Nolaan: "Linux does have firewall!" depends on whether you installed a firewall or not.[15:59]<Nolaan> TomWij: What is netfilter?[15:59]<Nolaan> you don't have the choice[15:59]<IT_Sean> netfilter? Isn't that what you use to scoop the leaves out of the swimming pool?[16:00]<Nolaan> it comes as a kernel module[16:00]<IT_Sean> **badumcha**[16:00]<Nolaan> and iptables is just an interface to it.[16:01]* dniMretsaM (~quassel@cpe-66-61-13-19.neo.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:01]<TomWij> Nolaan: If comes as whatever you choice to built it as. Thus, you can get `zgrep NETFILTER /proc/config.gz` to yield "# CONFIG_NETFILTER is not set".[16:01]<TomWij> choose*[16:01]<Phrewfuf> pksato: there is no such group: input#[16:01]<Phrewfuf> pksato: there is no such group: input[16:01]* gabriel9|work (~quassel@9-133-241-92-ptp.stat.customer.blic.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:01]<pksato> no?[16:02]<Phrewfuf> nope[16:02]<TomWij> Both my laptop and RPi don't have anything related to firewalls, they simply don't need it as the router here suffices for that purpose.[16:02]<Phrewfuf> told you...said blogpost about installing xbmc had this info, too.[16:02]* GentileBen (GentileBen@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:03]<Nolaan> TomWij: Who really compiles the kernel without netfilter ![16:04]<TomWij> Nolaan: I do, no need for unnecessary overhead.[16:04]<Nolaan> ok[16:05]<viric> taking it out, does it reduce the overhead?[16:05]* jmonreal (~jmonreal@200.41.55.194) has joined #raspberrypi[16:05]<viric> (other than kernel size)[16:05]<jmonreal> Hi all ![16:06]<TomWij> viric: It also yields a difference in memory and doesn't need to perform any lookups; so, yes.[16:07]<jmonreal> I have a micro sd card sandisk 32GB class 10 sdhc[16:07]<jmonreal> but it wont boot my raspberrypi[16:07]<jmonreal> google says I should update the kernel, but I dont know how to do that[16:07]<Nolaan> TomWij: At which price, what do you use then?[16:07]<TomWij> jmonreal: Do you have another one to verify against? Why would you need to update the kernel for that?[16:08]<TomWij> Nolaan: Gentoo Linux.[16:09]<Nolaan> you use gentoo for firewall[16:09]* E1ven (~E1ven@SQ7/ProjectLead/E1ven) has joined #raspberrypi[16:09]<TomWij> This is #raspberrypi, not #firewall; stop changing the context maybe?[16:10]<TomWij> jmonreal: And when you mention "wont boot", what exactly do you see?[16:10]<jmonreal> TomWij: It boots on an sandisk SDCARD class 4. The raspberry forum discussion on a subject similar said with a kernel update it should work bc of the modules loaded[16:10]<jmonreal> TomWij: It just power but it wont boot, no other led turned on[16:11]<TomWij> jmonreal: Heh... Sounds like I'll need to switch to next when I get a similar SD card.[16:11]<deep13> TomWij: do you run gentoo on raspberry pi?[16:11]<jmonreal> TomWij: what do you mean by that?[16:12]<TomWij> jmonreal: Look at the linux repo on GitHub, there's another branch for the newer version; you might need that one if I understand you correctly. (Would help to share the link to the discrussion[16:12]<TomWij> deep13: Ye.[16:12]* m1k3 (~m1k3@rrcs-208-105-236-250.nys.biz.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:13]<jmonreal> TomWij: Let me search for it... whats the github?[16:14]<jmonreal> i mean the address[16:15]<TomWij> jmonreal: OLD @ https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/master or https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-3.2.27 and NEXT @ https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-3.6.y[16:15]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[16:15]<viric> TomWij: weren't you using 3.7.1?[16:16]<deep13> TomWij: excellent - I was a gentoo user for many years. Looking forward to using it again[16:17]<TomWij> viric: Was using git 3.7.x on my host but switched to stable 3.6.11 because of the madness with the maintainers on 3.8.x. On Pi I'm on OLD because I want stable support and not something that might still be broken in some occasions.[16:17]<jmonreal> TomWij: which one do you recommend me to use?[16:17]<viric> ok[16:17]* npt (~npt@dsl.comtrol.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:18]<TomWij> jmonreal: What that thread tells you to use, by the sound of that "raspberry forum discussion" you need the newer kernel; but can't tell for sure without reading what they said.[16:18]* Wali (~Wali@pool-108-28-75-103.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:18]<TomWij> jmonreal: On the elinux wiki there is a list of SD cards that were tried and with which kernel, you might want to consult that one as well.[16:19]* BCMM (~BCMM@unaffiliated/bcmm) has joined #raspberrypi[16:19]<Phrewfuf> so...does anyone have an idea on that missing "input" group?[16:19]<TomWij> jmonreal: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card[16:19]* GentileBen (GentileBen@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:19]<jmonreal> TomWij: thanks :) and how do I create a valid sdcard with the github files? do I have to create de .img file? or just download everything to the sdcard?[16:20]<TomWij> jmonreal: From those statistics, most cards are just supported by the older kernel, I don't see how it would form a problem...[16:20]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:20]* Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk[16:21]* monkers (~james2@unaffiliated/monkeypaws) has joined #raspberrypi[16:21]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) has joined #raspberrypi[16:21]<TomWij> jmonreal: Read the first information on how to create the partitions and file systems from http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Preparing_the_SD_card / http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Quick_Install_Guide then proceed with bootstrapping it with the contents of your preferred distro.[16:22]<schemanen> I try to allow vcgencmd for the user www-data by using visudo, but I dont get it to work, can someone help?[16:22]<TomWij> The first link directly tells you what you need in your boot partition from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware, whereas the second link does some quicker cloning later on.[16:23]<schemanen> I can see that it is the /etc/sudoers.tmp that Im edit, is that correct?[16:23]<TomWij> jmonreal: Oh... Maybe you're not supposed to get a newer kernel, but get newer firmware instead.[16:23]<TomWij> You can just replace the firmware files on the boot partition then, without affecting the rest of the distro you have already installed.[16:24]<atouk> schemanen, http://www.atouk.com/wordpress/?page_id=238 look in the readme in the zip[16:24]<atouk> (the status page zip)[16:25]* GentileBen (GentileBen@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:25]* GentileBen (GentileBen@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Excess Flood)[16:26]* ReggieUK (ReggieUK@5aca56e7.bb.sky.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:26]* ChanServ sets mode +o ReggieUK[16:26]<jmonreal> TomWij: and If I have a linux box, how may I update or change the firmware? do I have to change it on the sdcard? or I have to upgrade it on the chip board with another working sdcard ?[16:27]<schemanen> ok, thanks I will try that[16:27]<atouk> is the linux box a r-pi?[16:28]<schemanen> yes[16:28]<TomWij> jmonreal: Insert the SD card in the Linux box, mount the boot partition (`mkdir /mnt/RPiBoot && mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/RPiBoot`) and replace the file, then sync and unmount (`sync && umount /mnt/RPiBot`)[16:28]<atouk> apt-get update & apt-get upgrade & apt-get dist-upgrade & rpi-update[16:29]* daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:30]<TomWij> Not every Linux box has aptitude, you might not need to call apt-get each time and pass it all at once, "&" should be "&&", ....[16:30]<jmonreal> TomWij: that easy? wow!!!! this is too cool!!!![16:31]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:31]<TomWij> jmonreal: It's even easier depending on how your desktop environment is set up, some automatically mount it for you and then unmounting is a matter of clicking some icon in your file manager next to the drive.[16:31]<atouk> the & was more of a "and then you", than a literal command line argument[16:31]<jmonreal> TomWij: the firmware is in the github right?[16:32]<TomWij> jmonreal: Yes, those are binaries.[16:32]<jmonreal> TomWij: I know how to mount things, :P, Im just a little slow on new things :P[16:33]<TomWij> Am cleaning out space on my SD card now, just noticed the XBMC compilation directory is almost 500 MB in size. o_O[16:33]* KuchenKe_ (~kuchenker@145.243.180.0) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[16:34]<schemanen> atouk: I cant download the file, I have seen this status page before but it seems to be down?[16:34]<jmonreal> TomWij: one last Question, whats the firmware i need to change?[16:34]<TomWij> Going to move that to the external drive.[16:34]* fayimora (~fayimora@95.175.159.8) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)[16:35]<atouk> file won't dl?[16:35]<TomWij> jmonreal: "All of them" would work best I think.[16:36]<schemanen> I just get an empty file named download-manager-files when I click the download button[16:36]<atouk> hold on. latest sp update buggered some stuff[16:36]<atouk> have it fixed in a sec[16:37]* neilr (~neilr@54.25.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined #raspberrypi[16:38]<jmonreal> TomWij: Ok thanks[16:38]<atouk> try now[16:38]* daveake (~daveake@daveake.plus.com) has left #raspberrypi[16:40]<schemanen> ok, now the download works, thanks[16:41]* m1k3 (~m1k3@rrcs-208-105-236-250.nys.biz.rr.com) Quit (Quit: m1k3)[16:43]<schemanen> and I can run the command as well from php[16:45]* m1k3 (~m1k3@rrcs-208-105-236-250.nys.biz.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:45]<schemanen> however, www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL will allow www-data to run any command, if I just want it to be able to run for instance /bin/vcgencmd[16:46]<schemanen> is it www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /bin/vcgencmd then?[16:46]<atouk> check the man page. not sure about that[16:47]<atouk> if i knew all the answers, i'd have to charge more[16:47]* FunkyELF (~FunkyELF@99-36-188-212.lightspeed.chrlnc.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:47]* wchance (~chatzilla@c-50-140-118-181.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:49]<Phrewfuf> damn...does anyone have an idea about that missing input group?[16:49]* bs123 (~bs123@cpc3-craw2-0-0-cust142.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[16:50]* SuperMiguel (~miguel@pool-108-9-147-4.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:50]* voxadam (~voxadam@c-71-59-211-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[16:50]<schemanen> atouk: hehe, ok I will check, thanks for your help[16:50]<SuperMiguel> how can i install arch with out a monitor?[16:50]* gordonDrogon waves, 'afteroon' ...[16:50]<IT_Sean> SuperMiguel: veeery caaarefuully.[16:50]<m1k3> so I'm looking into setting up one of my pi's as a media server, not sure if i should go with RaspBMC or Raspbian[16:50]<atouk> afternoon, sir gordon[16:50]<SuperMiguel> IT_Sean, ?[16:51]<gordonDrogon> not a sir yet...[16:51]<IT_Sean> SuperMiguel: Are you talking about on the Pi?[16:51]<m1k3> i have a lot of hi-def mkv files, if that makes a difference[16:51]<gordonDrogon> but I'll continue dreaming :)[16:51]<SuperMiguel> IT_Sean, yup[16:51]<wchance> I am running lastest Raspbian "wheezy" DHCP and noticed that if eth is disconnected and you connect after boot it will not work unless I reboot the unit. Is this the way it should work?[16:51]<IT_Sean> You will be using your PC to write the OS image to an SD card, which you then insert into the Pi & power it on[16:51]* alexii (~alexii@198.12.68.84) has joined #raspberrypi[16:51]<SuperMiguel> IT_Sean, doe s arch have ssh enabled y default?[16:52]<SuperMiguel> by*[16:52]* boru_ (~boru@unaffiliated/boru) has joined #raspberrypi[16:52]<IT_Sean> I am not sure[16:53]<SuperMiguel> umm[16:53]* boru (~boru@unaffiliated/boru) Quit (Disconnected by services)[16:53]* boru_ is now known as boru[16:54]* bs123 (~bs123@cpc3-craw2-0-0-cust142.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:55]<m1k3> wchance: how does raspbian handle your video files/[16:55]<m1k3> smooth?[16:55]<wchance> mlk3: I am not using it for video. I am building a phone system.[16:56]<m1k3> oh, gotcha[16:56]<TomWij> wchance: Assesment "doesn't do dhcp when connecting cable after boot" --> Solution "place something on it to manage the network, could be something like a simple ifplugd or a full-featured NetworkManager"[16:56]<jmonreal> TomWij: When I created the sdcard with the raspberry pi image I did a dd. Now I ran a cfdisk on the device /dev/mmcblk0p1 and it shows the partitions, but they wont appear on the system, so i cant mount it :S[16:57]<TomWij> jmonreal: When you change the partitions you sometimes need to reboot before the kernel will read out the new partition scheme.[16:58]<wchance> TomWij: So i guess that would just be doing a yum install of the appropriate package and that would take care of it. I will look into that now.[16:58]<jmonreal> TomWij: on my linux box? even if I had unmount it? thats odd[16:58]<jmonreal> TomWij: never happened to me before[16:59]<TomWij> Yes, using the package manager to install and then configure it.[16:59]<TomWij> jmonreal: fdisk warns about that once you write away the partitions[16:59]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has left #raspberrypi[16:59]<TomWij> Of course, if you do a raw `dd ...` YMMV...[17:00]<jmonreal> TomWij: but i didnt make any partition[17:01]<TomWij> jmonreal: Your kernel reads in the partitions and places them in /dev/...[17:01]* bs123 (~bs123@cpc3-craw2-0-0-cust142.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[17:01]<TomWij> If you change that partition scheme and the kernel is unaware of that change, like you did now using `dd ...`, it won't update the partitions accordingly in /dev/...[17:02]<TomWij> Hence, you'll need to remove and add the medium again or reboot your box in order for it to catch the change.[17:03]* Taftse (~Taftse@unaffiliated/taftse) has joined #raspberrypi[17:03]<jmonreal> TomWij: Thanks again[17:06]* alexii (~alexii@198.12.68.84) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)[17:06]* SuperMiguel (~miguel@pool-108-9-147-4.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:06]* Toothpick (~Toothpick@bzq-79-182-208-189.red.bezeqint.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:08]* Taftse (~Taftse@unaffiliated/taftse) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:10]<Toothpick> does anyone know why can't i install xbmc in gentoo for my RPi? http://bpaste.net/show/65918/[17:11]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@206.162.237.238) Quit (Quit: Mike-N-Go)[17:13]* oldtopman (~oldtopman@unaffiliated/oldtopman) has joined #raspberrypi[17:15]<linuxstb> Toothpick: "checking for java... none" - looks like you need to install java[17:16]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@206.162.237.238) has joined #raspberrypi[17:16]<Toothpick> linuxstb: java, JRE or JDK ?[17:16]<linuxstb> No idea, the log just said "java".[17:16]<BCMM> xbmc uses java???[17:16]<linuxstb> Or maybe the build system does. People do odd things.[17:17]<BCMM> Toothpick: a quick look on google says that the java dependancy is a recent thing[17:17]* Wali (~Wali@pool-108-28-75-103.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[17:17]<BCMM> the git ebuild hasn't been updated to reflect that so it doesn't pull in XBMC automatically[17:17]* Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky[17:17]<BCMM> also, are you trying to build a regular X11 build of XBMC for teh Pi?[17:18]<BCMM> linuxstb: sorry, highlighted wrong person ^[17:18]<BCMM> sorry, no i didn't[17:18]<linuxstb> ;)[17:18]* shurizzle (~shura@unaffiliated/shurizzle) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:18]* shurizzle (~shura@unaffiliated/shurizzle) has joined #raspberrypi[17:19]<Toothpick> BCMM: what do you mean regular X11 build?[17:19]<BCMM> Toothpick: well, the[17:19]<pksato> Toothpick: this xbmc from gentoo is optmised to rpi? (use openmax)[17:19]<Toothpick> BCMM: right now i don't have x11 installed[17:19]<BCMM> i'm really failing at IRC today. well, all working XBMC i've seen on the Pi didn't run on X[17:19]<Toothpick> pksato: what is openmax?[17:19]<BCMM> and they were specially modified for the Pi[17:20]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) has joined #raspberrypi[17:20]<BCMM> Toothpick: openmax is an API for hardware video decode[17:20]<Toothpick> BCMM: why would I need it if it says i'm having java missing?[17:20]<BCMM> Toothpick: what?[17:20]<Toothpick> BCMM: http://bpaste.net/show/65918/, it says i need java[17:21]<BCMM> Toothpick: yes, that's unrelated to the openmax point[17:21]<BCMM> Toothpick: what we mean is, is that just the regular Gentoo XBMC ebuild? i don't think it has Pi support[17:22]<BCMM> Toothpick: re the java thing, i think they use it for their documentation. try building it with -doc[17:22]<Toothpick> BCMM: I don't think it will help if it has no RPi support will it?[17:23]* intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) has joined #raspberrypi[17:23]<BCMM> Toothpick: not really, no, but you kept asking about it :)[17:23]<Toothpick> BCMM: just wanted to be sure.. :)[17:23]<BCMM> Toothpick: also, eden doesn't need java to build[17:23]<Toothpick> BCMM: so how do I find a package that supports RPi for gentoo ?[17:24]<BCMM> Toothpick: i have no idea[17:24]<BCMM> Toothpick: maybe somebody already did it.[17:24]<BCMM> maybe you should look at what patches are used for teh debian version and modify the ebuild[17:25]* markbook (~markllama@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:25]<BCMM> the Pi still isn't an official arch for Gentoo is it?[17:25]<pksato> xbmc for rpi is called xbmc-rbp.[17:25]<Toothpick> BCMM: you mean armv6? I don't know[17:26]<BCMM> Toothpick: i mean, does portage have keywords for that architecture?[17:26]<Toothpick> pksato: is this package on the main overlay?[17:26]<Toothpick> BCMM: yes, ARM[17:27]<pksato> Toothpick: I dont know.[17:27]* Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk[17:27]<TomWij> Toothpick: I'm here if you need help.[17:27]<Toothpick> hey TomWij[17:27]<Phrewfuf> effin xbmc..[17:27]<TomWij> This seems like the same question like last time, I gave you the Java ebuild then.[17:28]<Toothpick> TomWij: you gave me a hint about hardfp or softfp for java, but I did not know how to use it[17:28]<Toothpick> TomWij: and something to do with making my own overlay[17:29]<TomWij> Toothpick: Yes, that was oracle-jdk-0.ebuild in /usr/local/portage/dev-java/oracle-jdk/ and oracle-jdk.env in /usr/local/portage/dev-java/oracle-jdk/files/ and then manifest and install the ebuild.[17:29]* fayimora (~fayimora@95.175.159.8) has joined #raspberrypi[17:29]* tomeff (~effik@142.243.broadband9.iol.cz) has joined #raspberrypi[17:29]* Ubermouser (~mouser@c-71-61-178-109.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has left #raspberrypi[17:29]<Toothpick> TomWij: do I get the ebuild from here? https://gist.github.com/c6c3c53ba446779abd95[17:30]* millerii (~pi@e218.ip3.netikka.fi) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:30]<TomWij> Yes, from https://gist.github.com/c6c3c53ba446779abd95[17:30]<TomWij> Was grepping my history. :)[17:30]* Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky[17:31]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@206.162.237.238) Quit (Quit: Mike-N-Go)[17:31]<TomWij> So those files in place, then add PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage/" at the top of your make.conf and then run `ebuild /usr/local/portage/dev-java/oracle-jdk/oracle-jdk-0.ebuild manifest merge` and you should have java.[17:32]<BCMM> talking of XBMC, what's the current sanest way to install it on Raspbian? i'm using the http://archive.mene.za.net/raspbian/ repo at the moment but that build seems to have broken text entry[17:32]<Toothpick> TomWij: i don't have /usr/local/portage ...[17:32]<TomWij> Toothpick: Whenever you don't have something, make it. :)[17:32]* schemanen (~schemanen@c83-252-255-175.bredband.comhem.se) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7)[17:33]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: i am struggling with that too, it installed fine, but it wont work with my regular user[17:33]<Phrewfuf> wont work as in: it does not accept keyboard input[17:34]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: using the same repo? and do you mean text input did work on one of your accounts?[17:34]<Toothpick> TomWij: where is the manifest?[17:34]<BCMM> it isn't just a KB issues, you can't even use arrow keys on a remote to navigate the onscreen KB[17:34]<TomWij> Toothpick: Basically you want your own portage, and the usual approach is then to replicate the folder in a "local" folder to adhere to the FHS (so package managers and what not don't touch it); so, you mimic the /usr/portage by creating your own /usr/local/portage and then you create a category folder within that and in that category folder you create a package folder. Then by changing make.conf with[17:34]<TomWij> that what I gave you you tell emerge to "overlay" your local portage folder on top of the actual portage folder.[17:35]<TomWij> Toothpick: You can manifest and merge at once using `ebuild /usr/local/portage/dev-java/oracle-jdk/oracle-jdk-0.ebuild manifest merge`[17:35]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: of course, that's just built from a Git snapshot so maybe their was an actual breakage there[17:35]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: what do you mean by text input?[17:35]<Phrewfuf> if i start it as root i can use xbmc just fine[17:36]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: i mean when XBMC wants you to type something, like searching youtube or naming a media source[17:36]<Phrewfuf> if i run as regular user, i can't use arrowkeys[17:36]* scummos (~sven@p57B19A8A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:36]<Phrewfuf> oh let me try that real quick[17:36]<BCMM> odd, keyboard generally works fine for me[17:36]<BCMM> it's just the text entry, and that's broken for remote usage too[17:36]<BCMM> haven't tried running as root[17:36]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: how did you get keyboard to work?[17:37]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: didn't do anything special[17:37]<Phrewfuf> did oyu add your user to the group "input"[17:37]<Toothpick> TomWij: that's it ? :)[17:37]<TomWij> Toothpick: You also don't need to use any special xbmc ebuilds, the official xbmc/xbmc will do just fine, just needs a few attempt to get it through. I can check your configure output / build log for obvious mistakes if you want to. I also have two patches to make audio available in the menus / music as well as to fix the Makefile to not use texturepacker and use the right flags.[17:38]* alexii (~alexii@198.12.68.84) has joined #raspberrypi[17:38]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: yeah, just cause i was copying the "pi" users's permissions[17:38]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: it doesn't appear to be a problem with XBMC getting the input; rather, the text entry dialog is broken somehow[17:38]<TomWij> Toothpick: No, you also need to download the preview and put it in your distfiles folder with the right name.[17:39]<pksato> Phrewfuf: olny arrow keys dont work? other keys work?[17:39]<Toothpick> TomWij: the preview from http://jdk8.java.net/fxarmpreview/ ?[17:39]<TomWij> Toothpick: You can obtain it from the URL in the ebuild (it'll throw the URL at you when you try to emerge).[17:39]<TomWij> Yes, that one.[17:39]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: how did you install xbmc? from that repo i mentioned?[17:39]<Toothpick> TomWij: i have only http://www.java.net/download/JavaFXarm/jdk-8-ea-b36e-linux-arm-hflt-29_nov_2012.tar.gz[17:40]<TomWij> Toothpick: That should be the one, you'll need to rename the file name.[17:40]<Toothpick> TomWij: ok, thank you very much[17:40]<Toothpick> so far so good[17:40]<TomWij> Note the ebuild is juist a quick fix and tries to mimic the way other Java packages are installed on Gentoo, it's not supposed to do more than that. :D[17:41]<scummos> ._.[17:41]<scummos> I tried to build an antenna for 408 MHz[17:41]<Toothpick> TomWij: it sounded more complicated than it is[17:41]<scummos> this is the result (the red line) http://i.imgur.com/zAXo5.png[17:41]<scummos> I'd say I missed my design goal by a bit :D[17:41]<TomWij> That file name in't exactly easy to automate, and since it's a preview it's most likely just temporary too; I suppose better ebuilds will arise once hard float support gets out of preview.[17:41]<Toothpick> TomWij: right now i must go and i'll be back in a few hours. thanks very much ![17:41]<scummos> measurement controlled by the raspberry pi![17:42]<TomWij> Toothpick: Good, ping me when you need me to verify something (configure output for instance) or want the patches.[17:42]<scummos> (it's not very accurate tough, it needs a lot of corrections, but very roughly it should be the response pattern of the antenna)[17:42]* neilr (~neilr@54.25.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has left #raspberrypi[17:44]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: yeah i did install from the repo[17:45]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: also with root executing xbmc i can use text input (tried entering my youtube credentials, typig worked)[17:46]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: check your groups against mine: dialout, cdrom, frloppy, audio, dip, video, plugdev[17:46]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: tv adm dialout cdrom sudo audio video plugdev games users pi netdev input[17:47]<Phrewfuf> thats the groups of the user which can't do shit with the keyboard in xbmc :D[17:47]<BCMM> (the user is called tv)[17:47]<Phrewfuf> ah you have that input group[17:47]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: did you say that as root you can use the actual text entry boxes?[17:47]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: yes[17:47]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: can you check where the input group has permissions at?[17:47]<Phrewfuf> especially where in /dev/[17:50]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: hi, i'm back from checking the pi[17:51]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: i can use keyboard input as root[17:51]<Phrewfuf> nav and text input?[17:51]* dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[17:51]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: yeah, but nav is fine anyway[17:52]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: uh, in fact the other half of my problem is stupid[17:52]<Phrewfuf> yeah i also can do all the stuff with root[17:52]* dobra-dobra (~pi@89-74-74-150.dynamic.chello.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[17:52]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: how do you input text in xbmc with a remote?[17:52]<Phrewfuf> i have no remote yet[17:52]<BCMM> i don't actually know how to work the onscreen keyboard[17:52]<Phrewfuf> using a regular keyboard right now[17:52]<BCMM> i thought arrow keys would do it but i can't make it work on my desktop either[17:53]<Phrewfuf> ??o[17:53]<Phrewfuf> interesting[17:53]* Yotson (~yot@2001:980:6ac8:1:f9c6:96ac:c0df:11dc) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:54]* Commander1024 (~Commander@Commander1024-2-pt.tunnel.tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net) Quit (Excess Flood)[17:55]* dobra-dobra (~pi@89-74-74-150.dynamic.chello.pl) Quit (Client Quit)[17:55]<Phrewfuf> btw BCMM what kind of remote are you using[17:55]* XenGi_ is now known as XenGi[17:55]* MillerGD247 (~MillerGD2@unaffiliated/millergd247) has joined #raspberrypi[17:55]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: a network one from my n900[17:55]<Phrewfuf> i see[17:55]* Exposure (~quassel@524BFBA9.cm-4-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[17:55]<Phrewfuf> could you please check out where the group "input" ghas permissionas at in /dev/?[17:56]* Commander1024 (~Commander@Commander1024-2-pt.tunnel.tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net) has joined #raspberrypi[17:57]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: with newlines deleted for IRC's sake: # find /dev/ -group input /dev/input/e# find /dev/ -group input /dev/input/event1 /dev/input/event0 /dev/input/mice vent1 /dev/input/event0 /dev/input/mice[17:58]<BCMM> taht did not do what i intended, sorry for spam[17:58]<BCMM> /dev/input/event1 /dev/input/event0 /dev/input/mice anyway[17:58]<Phrewfuf> hm interesting[17:59]<Phrewfuf> btw my arrowkey don't work either for text input[17:59]<Phrewfuf> i can input text via keyboard, but not via arrowkeys and enter[18:01]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: oh i am so stupid...[18:01]<Phrewfuf> there is a directory /dev/input/[18:01]<Phrewfuf> ownergroup is root[18:01]<Phrewfuf> let me change that to something else :D[18:02]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: btw, "remote control sends keyboard presses" makes the arrow keys available for the onscreen keyboard[18:02]<BCMM> i think it's intended to prevent only the local keyboard's arrow keys from working with the onscreen kb but it seems to block networked remotes too[18:03]<BCMM> also, i only need to have "allow programs on *this machine* to control xbmc" (my emphasis) to remote-control it using my phone...[18:03]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: i think i need to file two general XBMC bugs... let me know how the input fix works for you[18:04]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: did you set "remote control foo" and it worked?[18:05]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: ?[18:05]* xaxisofevil (~asoccerpl@175.176.245.91) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:05]<Phrewfuf> did you set the option "remote control sends keyboard presses"?[18:05]<Phrewfuf> i remember it being a tickbox[18:05]* XenGi is now known as XenGi_[18:05]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: i enabled "remote control sends keypresses", on my desktop, and it allowed the arrow keys to operate the onscreen keyboard[18:06]<BCMM> haven't tested on the pi yet[18:06]<Phrewfuf> i see[18:06]<Phrewfuf> let me reboot my pi real quick[18:06]<BCMM> and i don't expect it will help with using the actual kb, though at least i'll be able to enter short searches from the sofa[18:06]<BCMM> i'll turn debug logging on and see if it fails to open any devices[18:07]* m1k3 (~m1k3@rrcs-208-105-236-250.nys.biz.rr.com) Quit (Quit: m1k3)[18:07]* markedathome (~markedath@unaffiliated/markedathome) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[18:07]* SquirrelCZECH (~squirrel@ip-89-103-45-58.net.upcbroadband.cz) has left #raspberrypi[18:09]<Phrewfuf> adding permissions for the user to access /dev/input/ didn't help[18:09]<Phrewfuf> ah wait i failed at adding those -.-[18:09]<Phrewfuf> forgot -[18:09]<Phrewfuf> -r[18:09]* _ds_ (~d.s@2001:8b0:897:1650:7497:c3cc:6227:94ea) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:11]<Phrewfuf> nope, still won't work[18:11]<Phrewfuf> though i have no event1 device there ??o[18:12]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: working on something here - xbmc.bin seems to open a tty device[18:12]<BCMM> when run as root[18:12]<BCMM> i'll try adding my user to the tty group[18:13]<TomWij> BCMM: What are you trying to do?[18:14]* intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) Quit (Quit: intothev01d)[18:14]<BCMM> TomWij: get text entry working correctly in XBMC on the raspberry pi[18:14]<gordonDrogon> Turdus merula. What a satisying name.[18:14]<BCMM> (in raspbian)[18:14]<gordonDrogon> satisfying too.[18:14]<BCMM> TomWij: at the moment, i can navigate with arrow keys and so forth but can't enter text (e.g. search youtube or name a media source)[18:15]* morsik (morsik@darkserver.it) has joined #raspberrypi[18:15]* Alfihar (~Yuuka@siberios.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[18:15]<Phrewfuf> TomWij: me on the other end, i can't navigate at all when regular user launches xbmc[18:15]* Perkele (~dude@lin43.thphys.uni-heidelberg.de) has joined #raspberrypi[18:15]<gordonDrogon> 4th day of xmas today. 4 colie birds. aka Turdus merula, aka the common blackbird :)[18:15]<morsik> hi, i just wanted to know, if sound via hdmi is supported, then i can use 5.1 surround in raspberry?[18:16]<Perkele> why does it say on the website that the minimum size SD card i can use is 2gb? the arch img is < 200mb[18:16]* sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-193-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[18:16]* DexterLB (~angel@87-126-19-80.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:16]<gordonDrogon> Perkele, the Rasbian image expands to just under 2GB.[18:17]<Phrewfuf> hehe perkele[18:17]<scummos> oh btw, report: draining 200mA from the 3.3V pins works okay, but RG2 heats up pretty quickly.[18:17]<Perkele> really? wow, didn't expect that. thanks[18:17]<scummos> so if you only do it for a few seconds it's fine[18:17]<morsik> i'm just downloading raspbian, and it's +400M zip file[18:17]<Perkele> morsik: the debian img, i was talking about the arch one[18:17]<scummos> 0.5s on then 0.5s off also works fine without making RG2 hot.[18:17]<gordonDrogon> scummos, then the Pi will reboot shortly after that...[18:18]<morsik> Perkele: i know, but it's not 2G too ;P[18:18]<morsik> so there must be reason.[18:18]<gordonDrogon> scummos, how many pins were you driving?[18:18]<TomWij> BCMM: Hmm, haven't tried that. Does it work as root? The only thing I know is that you can't attach hardware after you've started XBMC.[18:18]<Perkele> morsik: gordonDrogon said its almost 2gb after decompressing[18:18]<TomWij> You could try to enable debug logging to see which part of it fails.[18:18]<gordonDrogon> not sure about Arch at all - I only use Raspbian.[18:18]<scummos> gordonDrogon: not from the logic pins, from the +3.3V output.[18:19]<scummos> the logic pins I only draw ~1mA each[18:19]<gordonDrogon> scummos, ah, ok. yes, that's right on what's spare there - although I seem to recall they only suggested 50mA max at one point...[18:19]<BCMM> TomWij: it works as root, yes[18:19]<Perkele> well might as well by a 16gb card then anyway[18:19]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: that did not work.[18:19]<Perkele> i had a 512mb sitting around might i guess that won't do it[18:19]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: what did not work?[18:19]<BCMM> and actually shouldn't work because if the user is logged in to the tty they already own it[18:19]<scummos> gordonDrogon: yeah, 50mA max is the official figure. but it's really what RG2 provides minus what the pi needs, so usually more than that, especially if you're not using e.g. HDMI[18:19]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: adding user to tty group[18:19]<morsik> Perkele: oh...[18:19]<Phrewfuf> ah, yes[18:19]* shurizzle (~shura@unaffiliated/shurizzle) Quit (Quit: bye.)[18:20]* sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-193-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) has joined #raspberrypi[18:20]<gordonDrogon> scummos, or running the GPU too...[18:20]* sphenxes (~sphenxes@91-119-193-41.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) Quit (Max SendQ exceeded)[18:20]<scummos> yes[18:20]<Phrewfuf> hm, how to figure out which device the keyboard is in /dev/[18:20]* markbook (~markllama@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[18:20]<scummos> Phrewfuf: lsusb[18:21]<gordonDrogon> Phrewfuf, it's /dev/tty[18:21]* DexterLB (~angel@87-126-19-80.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[18:21]<BCMM> gordonDrogon: not exactly...[18:21]<TomWij> gordonDrogon: The keyboard is not tty.[18:21]* dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[18:22]<gordonDrogon> close enough...[18:22]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, do you mean which it is in /dev/input/?[18:22]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined #raspberrypi[18:22]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) Quit (Client Quit)[18:22]<BCMM> just looking at /proc/ here[18:22]<BCMM> XBMC *does* open a TTY, in addition to standard io[18:22]<TomWij> `dmesg | grep -i input` will reveal you the numbers, then you can match them up in /dev/input.[18:23]<Amadiro> you can just do an ioctl on devices in /dev/input to retrieve their name[18:23]<Amadiro> you'll get back something like "Dell QuietKey Keyboard"[18:23]<BCMM> for example, this root xbmc session run from ssh has opened tty0 even though its terminal is pts/3[18:23]* Yachtsman (~Yachtsman@173.7.168.108) has joined #raspberrypi[18:24]<Phrewfuf> Amadiro: yes[18:24]<Phrewfuf> and i figured out it is linked to /dev/input/event0[18:24]<Phrewfuf> which i gave my user permissions to, but it still won't work[18:24]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: i've got *something* here[18:24]<Amadiro> yes, /dev/input/event0 is usually the keyboard[18:24]<Amadiro> although if you plug in the mouse first, it might end up being the mouse[18:24]<BCMM> just comparing contents of /proc/`pidof xbmc.bin`/fd for root and user sessions[18:25]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, what doesn't work?[18:25]<Phrewfuf> Amadiro: funny thing is, there are two devices linked to event0#[18:25]<Phrewfuf> Amadiro: no navigation in xbmc[18:25]<Phrewfuf> on raspbian#[18:25]<BCMM> ah disregard taht i can't read apparently.[18:25]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, do you know for sure that xbmc uses the evdev protocol?[18:25]<Phrewfuf> Amadiro: nope[18:25]<Phrewfuf> #it works when executed as root[18:25]<Amadiro> then it might not even look at the /dev/input stuff[18:26]<Phrewfuf> it does not when executed as nonroot[18:26]<Phrewfuf> though the blogpost said "add your user to the input group"[18:26]<Phrewfuf> which sadly didn't exist at all[18:26]<Amadiro> I guess you can try to run xbmc and do an `lsof /dev/input/event0`[18:26]* GentileBen (GentileBen@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[18:26]<Amadiro> also, do you run X or not[18:26]<Phrewfuf> no x[18:27]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, have you tried making the group?[18:27]<Phrewfuf> yes[18:27]<Phrewfuf> but then i need to give it permissions to something[18:28]<Amadiro> looks like not allowing users to access /dev/input/* is the normal setting[18:28]* millerii (~pi@e218.ip3.netikka.fi) has joined #raspberrypi[18:28]* millerii (~pi@e218.ip3.netikka.fi) Quit (Client Quit)[18:28]<Amadiro> because otherwise you could easily make keyloggers and such[18:28]<Amadiro> maybe there's a udev rule you can apply to fix it[18:28]<Phrewfuf> Amadiro: BCMMs user has access to /dev/input/* via input group[18:28]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined #raspberrypi[18:28]<Amadiro> what's BCMM?[18:28]<Phrewfuf> who...[18:28]<Phrewfuf> not what[18:28]<BCMM> Amadiro: hi.[18:28]<Amadiro> ah.[18:29]<mikey_w> Is there an image for android 4 for the pi available?[18:29]<Amadiro> check out his udev rules, then[18:29]<Amadiro> BCMM, do you have X?[18:29]<BCMM> Amadiro: yeah but not running[18:29]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: did you use the image or the installer .zip?[18:30]<Phrewfuf> for raspbian, that is[18:30]<Amadiro> Check out if there are any evdev related rules in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/[18:31]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: stock Foundation image[18:31]<Amadiro> or /etc/udev/rules.d/[18:31]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: meh -.-[18:31]<Phrewfuf> i used the installer[18:32]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: ok; when starting XBMC over ssh[18:32]<BCMM> if it's root, it opens tty0[18:33]<Phrewfuf> Amadiro: there is a single rule name=eth0 or something like that[18:33]<Amadiro> BCMM might have some that you are missing[18:33]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: check your rules! :D[18:33]<TomWij> Amadiro: XBMC doesn't use X[18:34]<BCMM> which rules?[18:34]<Amadiro> I know.[18:34]<Amadiro> well, it can use X[18:34]<Amadiro> it doesn't really care[18:34]<Phrewfuf> TomWij: xbmc-standalone doesn't use rules, or not?[18:34]<Phrewfuf> isn't there "regular" xbmc which uses x?[18:34]<TomWij> Amadiro: Yes, but X isn't accelerated so there's no benefit to it.[18:34]<Amadiro> not on the pi, no[18:35]<TomWij> Dunno how it affects the actual rendering, but it could be seen as an overhead.[18:35]<Amadiro> BCMM, in /etc/udev/rules.d/ or in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/[18:35]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: got it working![18:35]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: the rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/[18:35]<BCMM> only by stupid hackery though[18:35]<Amadiro> TomWij, it doesn't work at all[18:35]<Phrewfuf> what? how?#[18:35]<TomWij> So, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is irrelevant here; udev might be more relevant[18:35]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: i chowned /dev/tty0 to the user running XBMC before starting it[18:35]<Amadiro> TomWij, there might still be relevant rules in there[18:35]* netw1z 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Where is the second line from?[18:39]<TomWij> Oh wait, they're different numbers, opening the raw one... moment[18:39]<TomWij> jmonreal: Yes, that looks good.[18:39]* FR^2 (~fr@krlh-5f71f01e.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:40]<TomWij> bootcode.bin, loader.bin and start.elf are the relevant ones to update; the armXXX_start.elf ones are the old style files to start with a certain amount of memory but that got deprecated in favour of the setting in config.txt so you probably don't need these armXXX_start.elf files anymore.[18:40]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: ok i'm back. i haven't analysed what it does when it's run from a VT because i'm here on IRC not downstairs, but:[18:40]<Amadiro> TomWij, nah, I'm pretty sure there's currently no way to obtain an opengl rendering context through X11[18:41]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: when run from ssh, XBMC tries to open tty0 to capture keyboard input, and fails if it isn't root[18:41]* DexterLB (~angel@87-126-19-80.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[18:42]<TomWij> Amadiro: Doesn't have to be through X11, but you can get a context.[18:43]<Amadiro> TomWij, yes, but we were talking about X11.[18:43]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: wait xbmc _wants_ to have root?[18:43]<TomWij> Yes, there's still a world of difference between running inside X11 and running through X11.[18:43]<Phrewfuf> or does it want to have tty0[18:43]<Amadiro> it's more like "running over X11"[18:43]<Amadiro> it doesn't even see your context/window[18:43]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: well, it wants a tty and it doesn't have one when run from ssh[18:44]<BCMM> i don't understand why it doesn't use its own tty when it's run from a VT though[18:44]<BCMM> going to have to actually go downstairs to investigate that[18:44]* millerii (~pi@e218.ip3.netikka.fi) has joined #raspberrypi[18:44]<TomWij> It doesn't need to see it.[18:45]* bs123 (~bs123@cpc3-craw2-0-0-cust142.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:46]<Phrewfuf> heh cpu @ 100% :D[18:46]* aphadke (~Adium@c-71-198-5-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[18:46]* aphadke (~Adium@c-71-198-5-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has left #raspberrypi[18:47]<TomWij> Phrewfuf: Yeah, XBMC can use some optimization there.[18:48]* fayimora (~fayimora@95.175.159.8) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:49]<TomWij> I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't use that in standby (aka 24/7 when nobody's watching it), you can configure it to suspend when you do; but maybe I will try to run it to a profiler one day to see if there's something that can be done about it.[18:49]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[18:49]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: the weird bit is that it's tty0 even though fgconsole says that the current VT is tty1...[18:49]<Phrewfuf> holy crap, why does xbmc-standalone start so many processes?[18:50]<Amadiro> tons of plugins, I'd guess[18:50]<IT_Sean> Wot 'e said ^[18:50]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) Quit (Quit: Gadget-Mac)[18:50]<Phrewfuf> i only installed one[18:50]<Phrewfuf> youtube that is[18:50]* Gadget-Mac (~swp@21.132.187.81.in-addr.arpa) has joined #raspberrypi[18:50]<Amadiro> I've only had a brief look at xbmc, but its general architecture didn't look exactly like a paragon of perfect efficienty to me[18:50]<IT_Sean> it isn't. :p[18:50]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[18:51]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, do tell me if you get the YT plugin to work, when I tried it, it was utterly broken.[18:51]<Phrewfuf> and it launches about 10-15 times /user/bin/xbmc/xbmc.bin --standalone[18:51]<Toothpick> hellotoyou[18:51]<IT_Sean> It's a bit klunky, in places.[18:51]<Phrewfuf> Amadiro: youtube is low prio right now[18:51]<TomWij> Hmm, when I start my RPi without the receiver on, I get no screen when I try to go to it later, I would need to reboot with the receiver on and set to the RPi channel; anyone know how to deal with this?[18:51]<Phrewfuf> running xbmc as nonroot at all...well _that_ is a challenge :D[18:51]* TomWij remembers seeing some hdmi force settings or so that make it think the hdmi output is always connected.[18:52]<BCMM> anybody know what tty0 is even for?[18:52]* dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[18:52]<Amadiro> the force hdmi option forces HDMI to be always-on and the SDTV to be always-off, not sure if that would fix your problem, though[18:52]<TomWij> BCMM: TTY's start counting from zero.[18:52]<BCMM> TomWij: not accessible ones[18:52]<TomWij> Unless you've got it set differently in /etc/inittab[18:52]<Phrewfuf> TomWij: oh i had that also. connected my screen via hdmi-dvi cable, powered up the pi and then turned on the screen[18:52]<BCMM> maybe just cause i have no F0 key :)[18:53]* jimerickson (~jimericks@pdpc/supporter/active/jimerickson) has joined #raspberrypi[18:53]<BCMM> TomWij: i mean, gettys typically run on TTYs 1-6[18:54]<jmonreal> TomWij: OK, so I only need to update those files and delete the armXXX_start.elf ?[18:54]<TomWij> BCMM: YMMV, depends on your inittab and thus on your distro[18:54]<Phrewfuf> uhm...[18:55]<Phrewfuf> if i have 3 tty's open, then everyone of them needs a udev process, right?[18:55]<TomWij> BCMM: As for the RPi, I suppose the firmware uses tty0 by default and that it might not correctly set the current tty.[18:55]<Phrewfuf> because i have exactly 3 udevd --daemon processes running right here...as root -.-[18:55]<jmonreal> TomWij: Now I have downloaded the git branch, where do I find this files? Do I need to compile them? or just copy them?[18:56]<TomWij> jmonreal: boot folder I think[18:57]<jmonreal> TomWij: arch/arm/boot?[18:57]<TomWij> Phrewfuf: I have one parent and two children and the exact same on my host, I don't think it matches the amount of TTYs though. I don't even see how that would relate to each other.[18:57]<Phrewfuf> TomWij: well doesn[18:57]<Phrewfuf> -.-[18:57]<TomWij> jmonreal: Erm... which git branch did you download? /linux is the kernel and /firmware is the firmware[18:58]<Phrewfuf> doesn't every user need a udev to be able to use devices?[18:58]<jmonreal> ouch![18:58]<jmonreal> TomWij: My bad[18:58]<TomWij> Phrewfuf: Seems we need this setting: hdmi_force_hotplug=1 Use HDMI mode even if no HDMI monitor is detected[18:58]<Phrewfuf> TomWij: where to set it?[18:58]* millerii (~pi@e218.ip3.netikka.fi) Quit (Quit: leaving)[18:58]<TomWij> config.txt[18:58]<TomWij> (on the boot partition)[18:58]<Toothpick> TomWij: hey tom, i think i finished the process and have a manifest and all :)[18:58]<Phrewfuf> i see, thanks[18:58]* fayimora (~fayimora@2a01:388:201:3721:2ddd:f05e:ee51:3178) has joined #raspberrypi[18:58]<TomWij> jmonreal: Well, it's handy if you want to continue cross compiling your kernel, but probably you won't need that.[18:59]* E1ven (~E1ven@SQ7/ProjectLead/E1ven) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[18:59]<Phrewfuf> TomWij: what else is needed in config.txt? mine is empty right now ??o[18:59]<TomWij> Toothpick: Cool, sounds good, now you should be able to get through the ./configure since the Java is far in that progress; might still miss a library or so maybe.[18:59]* ka6sox-away is now known as ka6sox[18:59]<Toothpick> TomWij: I'm not sure what I really did as I always install packages using emerge ... hehe[19:00]<TomWij> Phrewfuf: Full list of what you could do at http://elinux.org/RPiconfig, typical ones are overclocking (learn how to not void your warranty, don't go too far with it) / hdmi (like the one I did now) / overscan (if you have black borders around it)[19:00]<TomWij> Just don't play around with them too much, only do those you really need. :D[19:01]<TomWij> Toothpick: `emerge ...` basically calls `ebuild /path/to/some.ebuild merge` or something really close to that when it merges the package.[19:01]<TomWij> (Or it calls the actual bash function underneath doing that)[19:01]<Toothpick> TomWij: aha... so in what path should I run the ./configure then?[19:02]<TomWij> Toothpick: You'd want an ebuild do that all for you, do you want me to share mine?[19:02]<Phrewfuf> TomWij: i think i will avoid overclocking right there :D[19:02]<Phrewfuf> though i could cut a hole in my case and glue a bigass heatsink on IC2[19:02]<TomWij> Phrewfuf: Yeah, only do it when you want slightly more. I went for "medium" as it only overvolts for 2, the overvolt with 6 looks like it wuld cut the lifetime a lot though.[19:03]<BCMM> Phrewfuf, TomWij: been looking some things up since i'm unfamiliar with ttys. tty0 is basically an alias to teh current tty, that privileged processes can use to ensure the user sees something (e.g. init script output)[19:03]<BCMM> XBMC probably shouldn't be using it like that[19:03]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: i also am in ##linux ;)[19:03]<Toothpick> TomWij: you mean ./configure, make, make install?[19:03]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: heh, sorry[19:03]<TomWij> BCMM, oh, that explains why `echo "..." > /dev/tty0` always works for me :P[19:03]<Phrewfuf> TomWij: m([19:03]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: also nobody there understood and google helped me[19:04]<BCMM> seems to me that if xbmc just opened its own controlling terminal everything would be fine[19:04]<TomWij> Toothpick: There's also a bootstrap file.[19:04]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: so it needs its own tty?[19:04]<TomWij> (Which calls autoreconf -vif in some folders)[19:04]* Bunny_ (~s98259@unaffiliated/cmi-dos) has joined #raspberrypi[19:04]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: no idea why but looks like it[19:05]<Bunny_> heyyy[19:05]<TomWij> Toothpick: But yeah, from where you are you need to do the ./configure with _all the options_ you want again.[19:05]<BCMM> don't know why it can't recieve letters the same way it recieves arrows[19:05]<Toothpick> TomWij: i think i'll try without it at first... just how exactly do I finish the java installation?[19:05]* Cembo (~hardcoreB@unaffiliated/cembo) has joined #raspberrypi[19:05]<Bunny_> Does anyone know of a USB sound card that will work?[19:05]<BCMM> but the root cause of the problem does appear to be it failing to open tty9[19:05]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: hm, then i just need to fix arrows[19:05]<TomWij> Toothpick: Did the merge succeed?[19:05]<BCMM> tty0[19:05]<Toothpick> TomWij: yes[19:05]<Bunny_> I want to do recordings using the raspberry pi.[19:05]<Bunny_> I was like a small embedded system on my radio rack.[19:05]<BCMM> anyway a decent workaround would be to add a group that controls tty0 i guess[19:06]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: one could try this "input" group[19:06]<TomWij> Toothpick: Does `java -version` give you version information?[19:06]<Toothpick> TomWij: -bash: java: command not found[19:06]<TomWij> :([19:07]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: what is the user/group on your tty0?[19:07]<TomWij> Toothpick: Can you complete anything when you type java and then hit TAB?[19:07]* dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:07]<Toothpick> TomWij: no... does that mean the ebuild process has failed?[19:07]* Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk[19:08]* bs123 (bs123@cpc3-craw2-0-0-cust142.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:08]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: it was root[19:08]<Phrewfuf> changed it to input now[19:08]<TomWij> If you have a build log in /var/tmp/portage/dev-java/oracle-jdk-0/temp/build.log then feel free to wgetpaste it.[19:08]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: and teh group?[19:08]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: root/root[19:08]<Phrewfuf> changed it to root/input[19:08]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: huh, on gentoo it's root/tty[19:08]<BCMM> which seems to make a little more sense to me...[19:08]<Phrewfuf> m([19:09]<TomWij> BCMM: Confirmed... crw--w---- 1 root tty 4, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/tty0[19:09]<Phrewfuf> hm, still no joy for me -.-[19:09]<Phrewfuf> still no reaction to arrowkeys at all[19:09]<Toothpick> TomWij: nope.. i will try to wgetpaste the whole ebuild process[19:09]<Phrewfuf> ah wait, permissions[19:09]<Bunny_> I just want someone to recommend me a USB sound card.[19:10]<Bunny_> The quality doesn't have to be good.[19:10]<Phrewfuf> hm...does the group need W or R on tty?[19:10]<Phrewfuf> Bunny_: creative soundblaster 24bit USB[19:10]<Phrewfuf> :D[19:10]<BCMM> as far as i can see it should belong to tty[19:10]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: which mode[19:10]<Bunny_> and it will work fine with the pi Phrewfuf?[19:10]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[19:11]<Bunny_> It's just I need a mic port.[19:11]<Phrewfuf> Bunny_: i don't know :P[19:11]<Phrewfuf> though i will try it out when back home ??o[19:11]* chris_99 (~chris_99@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #raspberrypi[19:11]<Bunny_> Phrewfuf: Oh please do that will save me ordering it if it doesn't work.[19:12]<Bunny_> plus I haven't even received my pi yet. lol[19:14]* markbook (~markllama@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:14]<Phrewfuf> GNAH, still no keyboard for me :([19:14]* nielsonm (~nielsonm@75-150-34-209-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:14]<IT_Sean> Bunny_: you'll need some sort of USB audio captrue thinger. There is no audio goesinta on the raspi[19:14]<DDave> is it normal that all the LEDS are on & nothing is blinking? My rpi isnt responding today (was just fine yesterday)[19:15]<Bunny_> IT_Sean: What do u mean by guesinta?[19:15]* thomashunter (~thomashun@8.17.196.194) has joined #raspberrypi[19:15]* dniMretsaM (~quassel@cpe-66-61-13-19.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:15]<TomWij> DDave: What have you tried?[19:15]<IT_Sean> goesinta = goes in ta = where the sound goesinta. I.e. there is no audio IN port.[19:15]<Toothpick> TomWij: http://bpaste.net/show/66944/[19:15]<Phrewfuf> Bunny_: i think he means "there is no input jack"[19:15]<Bunny_> IT_Sean: I know[19:16]<Bunny_> that is why I want a USB sound card[19:16]<IT_Sean> Ah, okay. Just wanted to make sure you knew. I didn't see you mention a USB soiundcard earlier, i guess. :p[19:16]<Bunny_> and it doesn't need to be quality sound[19:16]<Bunny_> I wouldn't care if the sound card costs ??2 as long as it can record my radios.[19:16]<TomWij> Toothpick: /opt/oracle-jdk-0/bin/java it's in place so that's already okay, hmm..[19:17]<Bunny_> just curious as to if tape out will blow the sound card tho[19:17]<Bunny_> I am aware tape out should be plugged into a line in port[19:17]<TomWij> Toothpick: /var/tmp/portage/dev-java/oracle-jdk-0/temp/environment: line 1680: java-config-2: command not found[19:17]<IT_Sean> Most USB sound card inputs let you switch between MIC level and LINE level.[19:17]<Bunny_> oh :o[19:17]<BCMM> Phrewfuf: man 4 tty seems to be on my side here, rather than debian's...[19:17]<Toothpick> TomWij: Yea i noticed that[19:17]<Bunny_> including the sound blaster 24bit?[19:18]<IT_Sean> I have one that does, anyway.[19:18]<TomWij> Toothpick: Ah, it didn't pull in the virtual things.[19:18]<IT_Sean> Bunny_: no idea about that one.[19:18]<Bunny_> okies[19:18]<Bunny_> Phrewfuf: Do u know about this?[19:18]<pksato> or have sepparte input to line and mic levels.[19:18]<Bunny_> I can't find any with a line input[19:19]* pycoderf (~pycoderf@108-214-186-137.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:19]<TomWij> Toothpick: I've also copied virtual/jdk and virtual/jre from /usr/portage into /usr/local/portage and added my package to that, then using an emerge it will pull in the virtuals so that you have the java-config.[19:19]<pycoderf> greetings all[19:19]<pycoderf> does anyone here know nything about raspbmc? there doesnt seem to be much acivity in that channel[19:19]* DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[19:19]<TomWij> Toothpick: Sorry, completely forgot that the virtuals are necessary for this to succeed; so, you'll want to mimic them and add the package, then manifest all the ebuilds and emerge the package again (which will pull in the virtuals and proceed poperly).[19:20]* markbook (~markllama@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:20]* TechDesk (~TechDesk@66.197.13.109.rev.sfr.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:21]* dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) has joined #raspberrypi[19:22]<Toothpick> TomWij: wait , i need to have virtual/jdk and virtual/jre in my /usr/local/portage/ and then run "ebuild /usr/local/portage/virtual/{jre,jdk}/*.ebuild manifest merge" ?[19:22]<TomWij> Honestly, they should make the Java dependency optional.[19:22]<Phrewfuf> Bunny_: hm, no, haven[19:22]<Phrewfuf> haven't tried that with the SB[19:23]<TomWij> Toothpick: Yes, but please just manifest them and then let `emerge oracle-jdk` do the whole thing.[19:23]<Phrewfuf> btw Amadiro youtube plugin works fine(tm)[19:23]<Toothpick> TomWij: how do i just manifest them?[19:23]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, can you log in?[19:23]<jmonreal> TomWij: And with those files you told me that should be enough ? they dont depend on the kernel?[19:23]<Phrewfuf> it does need a load of cputime[19:23]* Orion_ (~Orion_@199.30.187.223) has joined #raspberrypi[19:23]<Phrewfuf> ah, no login didn't work yet, it didn't accept my google credentials[19:23]<IT_Sean> Bunny_: i have an iMic. It's the only USB sound device i've used. It has a switch on it to switch bettween MIC and LINE level input. I am not familiar with the one you mentioned though.[19:24]<TomWij> Toothpick: So, copy them then add dev-java/oracle-jdk as a dependency to them (you'll see the others in there, just add it as a line, then manifest them with `ebuild /path/to.ebuild manifest`.[19:24]<TomWij> jmonreal: No, the other way around, the kernel depends on the firmware.[19:24]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, for me, logging in did not work; playing videos crashes after 5 minutes (fairly reliably) and pausing videos makes xbmc crash[19:25]<Phrewfuf> hm, let me try that out[19:25]<Bunny_> IT_Sean: Does it work on the raspberry or could you please test it? I don't want to have to order one to find out if it works or not.[19:26]<IT_Sean> Bunny_: Send me a raspi, and i'll test it. :p[19:26]<IT_Sean> Sorry, i haven't got a Pi.[19:26]<Bunny_> Okies fair enough.[19:26]* Triskelios (~trisk@gw.deadgerbil.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:26]<Bunny_> I have a USB mic that registers as a sound card. Maybe I could hack it.[19:27]<Bunny_> make it so I could get it to work with tape out[19:27]<Triskelios> Bunny_: did you see my response on ##hardware?[19:27]<Bunny_> Triskelios: oh sowi[19:27]* DDave (~DDave@unaffiliated/ddave) has joined #raspberrypi[19:28]* AeroNotix (~xeno@aafu74.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[19:31]<Phrewfuf> Amadiro: hm, it has problems with playing videos at all[19:31]<Phrewfuf> just played first hit for "funny cats"[19:31]<|thunder> Bunny_; alsa configs maybe[19:31]<Phrewfuf> but then failed everytime i tried to watch "rally 2012"[19:31]<Phrewfuf> something about "could not find video url"[19:32]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, yeah, it's pretty much totally broken.[19:32]<|thunder> that probably means your not supposed to download it[19:32]<|thunder> i run into that with jDownloader[19:32]<|thunder> the globalk url is unavailable[19:32]<|thunder> global[19:32]* rcortega (~rcortega@153.Red-2-136-90.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #raspberrypi[19:32]<Bunny_> IT_Sean: Do you have a linux computer free?[19:32]<Amadiro> I use youtube-dl, and I've only run into that when I mis-typed the URL.[19:33]<Phrewfuf> i tried using the builtin search and it did find a lot...but played none[19:33]<megaproxy> if i want to power via solar, what do i need to look out for in the panel?[19:33]<Bunny_> heyy megaproxy :3[19:33]<megaproxy> o/[19:33]<IT_Sean> Bunny_: I do, but i'm at work, and kinda busy at the mo.[19:34]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, for me, the built-in search also sometimes failed to find things that the website search definitely showed.[19:34]<Phrewfuf> megaproxy: you need a buttload of power, a good charger and a battery[19:34]<Bunny_> okies[19:34]<IT_Sean> Sorry.[19:34]<megaproxy> Phrewfuf, high wattage?[19:34]<Bunny_> it's okies[19:34]<Phrewfuf> megaproxy: if you want to power just the rpi, 5V 2A (10W) is enough[19:34]<megaproxy> would have wifi too maybe[19:35]<Phrewfuf> rpi with USB stuff is about 2A[19:35]<Phrewfuf> AFAIR[19:35]<Bunny_> Phrewfuf: Huh?[19:35]<Bunny_> I'm fine with the default power supply[19:35]<Bunny_> that comes with the rpi[19:35]<Phrewfuf> i remember the recommended power supply to be 2A capable[19:36]<Phrewfuf> if you drive two high power usb devices you already need 1A just for the USB stuff[19:36]<Amadiro> Bunny_, the rpi isn't normally shipped with a power supply -- if you got one, that was probably an extra your vendor gave you.[19:36]<chithead> there is no use getting a power supply for more than 700mA because that is the rating of the input fuse[19:36]<megaproxy> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20W-Monocrystalline-Solar-Panel-20-Watts-12V-PV-/200825776705?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item2ec2262a41[19:36]* thomashunter (~thomashun@8.17.196.194) Quit (Quit: thomashunter)[19:36]<chithead> it is only important how much the voltage drops under load[19:36]<Phrewfuf> chithead: impossible, how is it supposed to drive 2x500mA at USB with a 700mA fuse?[19:37]<chithead> Phrewfuf: it doesn't[19:37]* m1k3 (~m1k3@rrcs-208-105-236-250.nys.biz.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[19:37]<chithead> original revision hat 140mA fuses at the usb ports[19:37]<chithead> had*[19:37]<Phrewfuf> so you want to say thr rpi is not meeting the USB standard?[19:38]<chithead> correct. it does not accept standard input voltage and it does not output standard current[19:38]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, the USB standard doesn't technically *require* you to be able to drive 500mA devices[19:38]<Amadiro> the host controller may deny those devices[19:38]* Belaf (~campedel@net-93-144-31-127.cust.dsl.teletu.it) has joined #raspberrypi[19:38]<Amadiro> however, the rpi usb host controller is not smart like that.[19:38]<Amadiro> so it accepts them anyway and then just dies.[19:39]<Phrewfuf> m([19:39]<megaproxy> i should get this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100W-Monocrystalline-module-12V-solar-panel-for-camper-caravan-boat-NEW-/350556163623?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item519ec68e27[19:39]<jmonreal> TomWij: nice[19:39]<Phrewfuf> megaproxy: would be anough to drive a small(tm) audio setup :D[19:39]<chithead> the rpi host controller might be, but the hub integrated into the usb network chip isn't[19:39]<Phrewfuf> enough*[19:39]<megaproxy> :P[19:39]<TomWij> jmonreal: The new firmware files allow you to use your sd card?[19:40]* netw1z (~the@cpe-74-73-231-93.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:40]<Phrewfuf> megaproxy: now you're giving me another project ideas -.-[19:40]<megaproxy> my main project is a 2u case[19:40]<TechDesk> please, the option dwc_otg.speed=1 in cmdline.txt is good idea ?[19:40]<Phrewfuf> solar powered rpi boombox[19:40]<Amadiro> chithead, I don't think a hub would do the decision for the host whether to accept or deny a function[19:40]<megaproxy> that is modular, and built for rpi clusters/colocation[19:41]<jmonreal> TomWij: I just finished downloading the firmware branch[19:41]<Amadiro> but I haven't actually read the part of the USB spec that describes hubs, since it didn't interest me too much...[19:41]* Belaf (~campedel@net-93-144-31-127.cust.dsl.teletu.it) has left #raspberrypi[19:41]<megaproxy> http://www.sunstore.co.uk/files/pdf/SES-40-12specsheet.pdf[19:41]<jmonreal> TomWij: the boot directory of the branch doesnt have a loader.bin file :S[19:41]<Phrewfuf> BCMM: any luck with findong out the tty magic?[19:42]<TechDesk> please ![19:42]<megaproxy> oh also, how is the rpi with webcams? What would i need to install[19:42]<TomWij> jmonreal: The README still contains that, but I think that file is no longer used, I don't have it either.[19:43]<jmonreal> TomWij: OK, thanks, I'll try it then changin only the remaining 2 files you mentioned before[19:43]<TomWij> jmonreal: Yeah, that should suffice.[19:46]<pksato> megaproxy: need a UVC webcam (driver free).[19:46]* pycoderf (~pycoderf@108-214-186-137.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)[19:46]<jmonreal> TomWij: what do you have on your config.txt file?[19:46]<jmonreal> TomWij: mine's all commented in[19:46]<megaproxy> pksato, is that the only way?[19:47]<megaproxy> i have a few webcams but i have no idea what they are, apart from this MS one[19:47]<megaproxy> no wait its logitec[19:47]<pksato> and, some other with proprietary driver.[19:47]<TomWij> jmonreal: I change the analog output to PAL mode, disable overscan, force hotplug of HDMI with 1080p 24Hz, put the memory split good for XBMC, overclock "Medium" and added decode license keys.[19:48]<jmonreal> TomWij: Thanks[19:48]<pksato> if it work on linux, or windows/mac without extra driver.[19:48]<pksato> work also in rpi.[19:48]<megaproxy> ive no idea what model it is :([19:49]* BCMM (~BCMM@unaffiliated/bcmm) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:49]<Phrewfuf> hm...xbmc uses 100% cputime when not doing anything ??o[19:49]<Phrewfuf> also i almost shat my pants when i saw "copu temperature: 124??"[19:49]<linuxstb> By definition it's doing something ;)[19:49]<Triskelios> megaproxy: plug it into a computer and check[19:49]<megaproxy> thats a painfully obvious soloution :([19:49]<Phrewfuf> though then i saw that big F right behind it :D[19:50]* megaproxy hangs head in shame[19:50]* tinti (~tinti@maxtrack-F4-0-3-gacc04.bhe.embratel.net.br) Quit (Excess Flood)[19:50]<Phrewfuf> linuxstb: well it seems like it rather does everything :D[19:51]<jmonreal> TomWij: Now I get the ACT led on but still no image on the hdmi[19:51]<megaproxy> i plug it in, and its a "webcam 600"..[19:51]<megaproxy> the hell[19:51]<TomWij> jmonreal: How long do you wait?[19:51]* tinti (~tinti@maxtrack-F4-0-3-gacc04.bhe.embratel.net.br) has joined #raspberrypi[19:51]<jmonreal> TomWij: is it needed the rj45 to be plugged in?[19:51]<jmonreal> 1 minute or so?[19:51]<megaproxy> i think its this one: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/5869?crid=405&osid=14&bit=64[19:51]<Phrewfuf> TomWij: what is a good memsplit for xbmc?[19:51]<Triskelios> megaproxy: you should be able to see the USB ID somehow[19:51]<TomWij> jmonreal: No, just power and HDMI and sd.[19:52]<TomWij> Phrewfuf: 128 MB[19:52]<TomWij> for the GPU; less and you'll be limiting it and more and you're giving it memory it won't use / need.[19:53]<Phrewfuf> TomWij: what does the rpi do per default? ??o[19:53]<Triskelios> megaproxy: the linked device is a standard UVC (USB Video Class) device, though, and will work with Linux[19:53]<megaproxy> ohreally?[19:53]<megaproxy> what do i need to do to start capturing then?[19:53]<megaproxy> is there a guide anywhere..[19:54]* soldicon_ (~soldicon@unaffiliated/soldicon) has joined #raspberrypi[19:54]<Phrewfuf> megaproxy: you need an application for that[19:54]<Phrewfuf> /captainovcious[19:54]<Phrewfuf> obvious*[19:54]<megaproxy> i was hoping for a recommendation :P[19:54]<Phrewfuf> try VLC :P[19:55]<Triskelios> megaproxy: what do you want to do with it?[19:55]<megaproxy> either stream video[19:55]<megaproxy> or take a pic every X seconds[19:55]* DexterLB (~angel@87-126-19-80.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:55]<Phrewfuf> megaproxy: i think you can use vlc for both[19:55]<Phrewfuf> or anything else where you can set the capture framerate[19:55]* FR^2 (~fr@krlh-5f71f01e.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Quit: und weg...)[19:56]<Phrewfuf> hm, lets see if i can access some videos in this network here[19:57]* soldicon_ (~soldicon@unaffiliated/soldicon) Quit (Client Quit)[19:57]<Triskelios> ffmpeg should be able to do streaming in any format, or look at e.g. mjpg-streamer for something simpler[19:57]* TomWij (~TomWij@d51530B99.static.telenet.be) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[19:57]<megaproxy> hmm[19:57]* zleap (~zleap@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[19:58]<megaproxy> im going to have a play with vlc seeing as its installing[20:00]* TomWij (~TomWij@d51530B99.static.telenet.be) has joined #raspberrypi[20:00]* DexterLB (~angel@87-126-19-80.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[20:01]* dangerousdave (~dangerous@78.156.71.46) Quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)[20:03]* nils_2_ (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) has joined #raspberrypi[20:06]* nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:06]* intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) has joined #raspberrypi[20:10]* soldicon_ (~soldicon@unaffiliated/soldicon) has joined #raspberrypi[20:11]* nils_2_ is now known as nils_2[20:12]* soldicon is now known as Guest75703[20:13]<megaproxy> is there anything i need to do for the pi to detect the webcam?[20:16]<Phrewfuf> heh, suddenly xbmc runs fluid as water[20:16]* eephillip (~eephillip@pdpc/supporter/student/eephillip) has joined #raspberrypi[20:16]<Phrewfuf> no glitching[20:17]<Phrewfuf> just fucks up when you try to access menus while a 720p movie is running :D[20:17]<Phrewfuf> could come from the lack of the decoder licenses[20:19]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, if you're lacking the license for some codec, it won't play at all[20:19]<Amadiro> (except perhaps super-ultra-slow on the CPU)[20:19]* soldicon_ is now known as soldicon[20:19]<Phrewfuf> Amadiro: not even in software?[20:19]<Toothpick> TomWij: are you still here?[20:19]<Phrewfuf> yeah, thought so[20:19]* Alfihar (~Yuuka@siberios.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[20:19]* klm[_] (~null@unaffiliated/klm-/x-7727058) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:19]<Amadiro> Phrewfuf, yes, but for a 720p video you'd probably get like a frame per minute or so.[20:19]<Phrewfuf> it did play, but it started lagging hard as soon as i pressed Esc to access the menu[20:20]* DexterLB (~angel@87-126-19-80.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:21]* hepukt4e (~hep@178.150.87.60) has joined #raspberrypi[20:22]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@206.162.237.238) has joined #raspberrypi[20:22]* Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky[20:23]<megaproxy> bah i cant get this webcam working[20:23]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@206.162.237.238) Quit (Client Quit)[20:25]* DexterLB (~angel@87-126-19-80.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[20:25]<megaproxy> /dev/video0 is that my webcam?[20:25]<megaproxy> oh itis ! i just needed a reboot :D[20:25]* AeroNotix (~xeno@aafu74.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) Quit (Quit: Uploading hax.....)[20:25]<Phrewfuf> megaproxy: are there any other video devices? :D[20:26]<megaproxy> no :P[20:26]<megaproxy> it wasnt working before, but after reboot it works[20:26]<TAFB_ext4> hey megaproxy :)[20:26]<megaproxy> ayoo[20:26]* macbeth99 (~macbeth99@cpc31-finc12-2-0-cust805.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:26]<megaproxy> im ordering new pc soon![20:26]<TechDesk> it's possible to use wifi adapter usb with raspberry pi ?[20:26]<megaproxy> until then im going to make a weather box thingy[20:26]<TAFB_ext4> I converted my lil box to ext4, custom fstab and write journaling last night :)[20:26]<megaproxy> :D[20:27]<TAFB_ext4> TechDesk: it sure is! some of them will draw too much power for the Pi's little usb ports though, but work great in a powered hub[20:27]<TAFB_ext4> megaproxy: Check out http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-23-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_Sandisk_SSD_iozone_EXT3_vs_EXT4_test.png[20:27]<TechDesk> i have that[20:27]<TechDesk> but my device is not reconized[20:27]<TAFB_ext4> TechDesk: Pi on WiFI: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-06-RaspberryPi/2012-12-09-RaspberryPi_is_finished.jpg[20:27]<TechDesk> :D[20:27]<TAFB_ext4> which card is it? the kernel only loads drivers for specific ones.[20:28]<TechDesk> netgear WNA3100 / Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0846:9020 NetGear, Inc. WNA3100(v1) Wireless-N 300 [Broadcom BCM43231][20:28]<megaproxy> webcam seems to have stopped working >.<[20:28]* teepee (~quassel@tmo-096-142.customers.d1-online.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:29]<TAFB_ext4> TechDesk: that card is listed as incompatible. Please check the official list: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters[20:29]<TechDesk> thanks TAFB_ext4[20:30]<TAFB_ext4> I got the tp-link card you see in my pic for $9. It's a TL-WN725N, works SWEET in the Pi, rock solid.[20:30]<Olipro> Broadcom WiFi chip incompatible with a Broadcom based board, oh the irony[20:30]<TAFB_ext4> rofl :)[20:30]<megaproxy> webcam y u no work?![20:30]<TechDesk> hum[20:31]* XenGi_ (~XenGi@2a02:748:a800:149:154:158:199:1) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[20:31]<megaproxy> i think i need to get high for it to work[20:31]<TAFB_ext4> megaproxy: it's friday, it left early.[20:31]<megaproxy> amirite?[20:31]<TAFB_ext4> possibly.[20:31]<TAFB_ext4> is it 4:20 yet?[20:31]<megaproxy> 19:31[20:31]<megaproxy> :P[20:31]<|thunder> somewhere in the mid atlantic it is[20:31]<macbeth99> Hey, I heard there is a "turbo" mode for the RPi that automatically overclocks and overvolts without voiding the warranty. Does anyone know how to turn it on, or is it already on? I googled a lot, but couldn't find any instructions.[20:31]* dobra-dobra (~pi@89-74-74-150.dynamic.chello.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[20:31]<TechDesk> TAFB_ext4 my card is really supported ? it's not listed[20:32]<sundancer> i have IPv6 RA on my network segment where raspberry pi is connected.. is there a way to detect which IPv6 address raspberry pi took and register that to DNS ?[20:32]<TAFB_ext4> macbeth99: yeppers, don't do it in raspi-config![20:32]<megaproxy> sudo rasp-onfig[20:32]<megaproxy> raaspi-config *[20:32]<Olipro> sundancer: no[20:32]<TAFB_ext4> TechDesk: if it's not listed, it's not supported ;) lol. I just tell people that[20:32]<TAFB_ext4> .[20:32]<sundancer> because IPv6 addresses are randomly assigned each reboot[20:32]* Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk[20:32]<macbeth99> TAFB_ext4: I didn't[20:32]<megaproxy> TAFB_ext4, make webcam work[20:32]<Olipro> IPv6 RAs do not integrate with DNS registration[20:32]<TechDesk> hum :([20:32]* Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky[20:33]<Olipro> use DHCPv6 if you want to do stateful address assignment[20:33]<Dagger2> sundancer: the SLAAC address comes from your MAC address, it should be the same each reboot provided your MAC stays the same[20:33]<Olipro> you will however need a userspace client on the Raspberry Pi[20:33]<macbeth99> TAFB_ext4: do you know how to do it from config.txt?[20:33]<TAFB_ext4> macbeth99: I'm trying to find the link...[20:34]<Triskelios> macbeth99: http://elinux.org/RPiconfig[20:34]<TAFB_ext4> macbeth99: http://pastebin.com/1aBsWs87[20:34]<Triskelios> macbeth99: it's on by default, with a sufficiently new bootloader[20:35]<TAFB_ext4> macbeth99: that will dynamically overclock your CPU to 1ghz when required :) won't void your warranty :)[20:35]* IT_Sean puts on his I Void Warrenties t-shirt and overclocks macbeth99's Pi to 1.25 GHz[20:35]<TAFB_ext4> macbeth99: to see your current CPU speed: watch cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq[20:36]<TAFB_ext4> IT_Sean: LOVE that shirt :)[20:36]<TAFB_ext4> macbeth99: to keep an eye on your CPU temperature: watch /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp[20:36]<IT_Sean> TAFB_ext4: at $oldjob, i always made it a point ot wear it whenever we were getting any new IT kit delivered. ::Evil::[20:36]<TAFB_ext4> macbeth99: to keep an eye on your CPU voltage: watch /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_volts[20:36]* jankyhellface (~jankyhell@173.239.75.186) has joined #raspberrypi[20:36]<TAFB_ext4> IT_Sean: nice :) what is your $newjob?[20:37]<IT_Sean> Tech support.[20:37]* megaproxy sobs[20:37]<macbeth99> TAFB_ext4: Thanks a lot man. I'll try it in a moment.[20:37]<TAFB_ext4> ahhh. so now you tell people to void other peoples warranties :)[20:37]<IT_Sean> Basically the same as $oldjob, but, for a new company in a different location.[20:37]<IT_Sean> Exactly.[20:37]<TAFB_ext4> good stuff :)[20:38]<IT_Sean> Aye.[20:38]<IT_Sean> It's good fun voiding warranties.[20:38]<TAFB_ext4> IT_Sean: did you see my performance gained chart between EXT3 and EXT4 (with tweaked fstab and write journaling)?[20:38]<eephillip> @TAFB_ext4 just saw the reference to the TL-WN725N do you know which chipset that uses and if it supports AP mode[20:38]<IT_Sean> I did not.[20:38]<Phrewfuf> uhm...again a raspbian/xbmc issue here...i have a 16:10 screen and playing a 16:9 (720p) video[20:38]<TAFB_ext4> eephillip: it uses realtek, same chip as everyone :)[20:39]<TAFB_ext4> IT_Sean: http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-23-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_Sandisk_SSD_iozone_EXT3_vs_EXT4_test.png[20:39]<Phrewfuf> the video gets zoomed fine, aspect ratio is kept, but the black bars which are supposed to be atop and below the video are not black[20:39]* IT_Sean will read it later, when he isn't at werk[20:39]<Phrewfuf> they display console output[20:39]<IT_Sean> o_O[20:39]<TAFB_ext4> IT_Sean: good plan :)[20:39]<TAFB_ext4> it's a freaky chart.[20:40]<Phrewfuf> so...it may seem like a crappy fashion choice, but it is not and it looks like crap :D[20:40]<Phrewfuf> how can i make those black bars black again?[20:41]<|thunder> are you using xbmc ?[20:41]<Phrewfuf> yes...[20:41]<Phrewfuf> thus the issue is with raspbian/xbmc[20:41]<|thunder> the guys in #xbmc are super helpful[20:41]<macbeth99> TAFB_ext4: Rebooting now. Hope I didn't void my warranty. BTW, do you know how to check if it's voided or not?[20:41]<|thunder> ahh[20:41]<Phrewfuf> where du you think i'm coming from :D[20:41]<Phrewfuf> do*[20:41]* DeadWitcher (DeadWitche@lk10gk63.corbina.com.ua) has joined #raspberrypi[20:41]<IT_Sean> macbeth99: i don't know if the warrenty void OTP bit is user-checkable[20:41]<|thunder> [:[20:41]<TAFB_ext4> macbeth99: I can tell you how to check your warranty ;)[20:42]<Amadiro> IT_Sean, it is[20:42]<IT_Sean> it is?[20:42]<TAFB_ext4> it sure damn is[20:42]<eephillip> @TAFB_ext4 I was hoping it was like the other TP-link products that uses ath9k so it would be compatible with hostapd out of the box[20:42]<Amadiro> it shows up in /proc/cpuinfo[20:42]<IT_Sean> okay okay[20:42]* IT_Sean sits corrected.[20:42]<TAFB_ext4> eephillip: ahhh.[20:42]* N0_Named_Guy (~Someone@a89-153-113-53.cpe.netcabo.pt) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:43]* TAFB_ext4 hearts TP-LINK products.[20:43]* techkid6 (~techkid6@ec2-23-22-160-40.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:43]<macbeth99> Amadiro: where is it? Does it only show up when void?[20:43]<techkid6> Ello[20:43]<TAFB_ext4> I have a tp-link high power wifi adapter I'm using to steal my neighbours wireless internet, he's 21km away :)[20:43]<IT_Sean> O_O[20:44]<piney> that's far[20:44]<TAFB_ext4> very :)[20:44]<Amadiro> macbeth99, its a bit down in the Serial number or Revision or so, I don't quite remember[20:44]* scummos (~sven@p57B19A8A.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[20:44]* XenGi (~XenGi@2a02:748:a800:149:154:158:199:1) has joined #raspberrypi[20:44]<TAFB_ext4> macbeth99: I'll give ya the command, one sec :)[20:44]* jus10 (~Blah123@2601:8:1880:48:7cc3:d7fe:3f6e:7a24) has joined #raspberrypi[20:44]* cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf[20:44]<|thunder> TAFB_ext4; whats the model number ? thats amazing[20:44]<piney> kinda amazed you can rx his tx if he has a normal antenna[20:45]<TAFB_ext4> piney: not even CLOSE to a normal antenna :)[20:45]<TAFB_ext4> macbeth99: sudo vcgencmd version[20:45]<TAFB_ext4> paste the revision number from that command.[20:46]<macbeth99> 346337[20:46]* scummos (~sven@p57B19A8A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:46]<TAFB_ext4> checking firmware version against know warranty void set bit...[20:47]* heathkid (~heathkid@unaffiliated/heathkid) has joined #raspberrypi[20:47]* Strykar (strykar@99.135.243.106) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:47]* megaproxy trys to get a wusb300n to work with the pi[20:47]<megaproxy> http://homesupport.cisco.com/en-us/support/adapters/WUSB300N[20:47]<Amadiro> macbeth99, if the "Revision" in "cat /proc/cpuinfo" starts with a 1, you still have your warranty, AFAIK[20:47]* scummos^ (~sven@p57B19A8A.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:48]<macbeth99> Amadiro: It's 0002[20:48]<megaproxy> TAFB_ext4, i read... you can get some windows drivers to work using a linux program?[20:48]<SpeedEvil> warranty is not simply void[20:48]<TAFB_ext4> megaproxy: I'm a linux noob, no idea.[20:48]<megaproxy> :([20:48]<macbeth99> megaproxy: that would be ndiswrapper, but that sounds like x86 only, not arm[20:48]<TAFB_ext4> i'm still checking the warranty bit info.[20:48]<SpeedEvil> warranty may he void if the cause is due to over clocking.[20:48]<megaproxy> macbeth99, crap[20:48]<TAFB_ext4> google is not being clear.[20:48]<SpeedEvil> (in the UK)[20:49]<SpeedEvil> be void[20:49]<Amadiro> macbeth99, it should be longer than that.[20:49]<TAFB_ext4> warranty is ONLY void if the revision warranty "bad" flag is set (abuse).[20:49]<Amadiro> mine is 1000002, for instance.[20:49]<TAFB_ext4> Amadiro: I think that is bad :)[20:49]<macbeth99> I don't know. I haven't overvolted until now.[20:49]<deep13> TAFB_ext4: what's the model # for your wifi adapter?[20:49]<SpeedEvil> TAFB_ext4: that may be what they say. that may not be legally correct though.[20:49]<macbeth99> Amadiro: same from what I read. If it starts from 1 it's void[20:50]<SpeedEvil> at least up till 6 months[20:50]<Amadiro> macbeth99, other way around[20:51]* scummos (~sven@p57B19A8A.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:51]<macbeth99> Amadiro: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6201&start=375[20:51]<macbeth99> scroll down to millhouse's post[20:51]<TAFB_ext4> deep13: TP-Link TL-WN7200ND locked to wireless B mode only, connected to this antenna: http://www.l-com.com/productfamily.aspx?id=6312[20:51]* Alfihar (~Yuuka@siberios.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[20:51]<TAFB_ext4> deep13: and there's some special goodies between the two as well ;)[20:51]* cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe[20:51]<Phrewfuf> oh holy shit, now it got fancier[20:51]* Mike-N-Go (~Mike-N-Go@206.162.237.238) has joined #raspberrypi[20:51]<Amadiro> macbeth99, ah.[20:51]<Phrewfuf> xbmc fades slightly when unused...[20:51]<Phrewfuf> so it became transparent...[20:52]<Amadiro> macbeth99, let me confirm with a new model.[20:52]<Phrewfuf> and i could actually read the whole console output behind it :D[20:52]<deep13> TAFB_ext4: cool, thanks[20:52]<macbeth99> Sorry everyone, I got to go.[20:52]* macbeth99 (~macbeth99@cpc31-finc12-2-0-cust805.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: irc2go)[20:53]* bakers (~bakers@bar-1.web-ster.com) has joined #raspberrypi[20:53]<bakers> Has anyone got retroarch or another SNES/NES emulator working?[20:54]* mrlinux222 (~mrlinux22@66.90.73.44) has joined #raspberrypi[20:54]* johnthebear (~Johnthebe@13-165-139.client.wireless.msu.edu) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[20:55]* DeadWitcher (DeadWitche@lk10gk63.corbina.com.ua) has left #raspberrypi[20:55]* Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk[20:55]* rcortega (~rcortega@153.Red-2-136-90.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[20:55]* Milos_ (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[20:55]* Milos (Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:57]* teepee (~quassel@p508471DC.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #raspberrypi[20:57]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[20:58]* jus10 (~Blah123@2601:8:1880:48:7cc3:d7fe:3f6e:7a24) Quit (Quit: gone)[20:58]<mrlinux222> Hello community, I want to create a XBMC like everyone else does. Anyone know of a list of usb tv tuners work with the raspberry pi? I am looking to buy the tv tuner from ebay or amazon.[20:59]* hepukt4e (~hep@178.150.87.60) Quit ()[21:00]<zleap> why do you need a tv tuner[21:01]<zleap> if the tvf has hdmi input plug that in to the tv, tv gets singnal in normal way, use the pi to provide smart tv features and hook pi up to the inernet[21:01]<zleap> assuming thats how this works of course[21:01]<mrlinux222> I would like to set up a PVR so a tv tuner would be required to get cable from my coaxial cable[21:01]<zleap> you may be able to save to usb[21:01]<cheezymuffins> i think you might have the wrong computer for that[21:02]<cheezymuffins> i think most people use their rpi for watching their pirated videos[21:02]<cheezymuffins> on a tv[21:03]<cheezymuffins> plus i dought anyone has written ARMv6 drivers for any tv tuner[21:03]<mrlinux222> I have found many tutorials online about how to get the raspberry pi working with XBMC using a usb tv tuner, but on every one of the tutorials they do not mention a usb tuner that works. they simply say "usb tv tuner" but do not mention a specific one[21:03]<zleap> hmm[21:03]<Triskelios> cheezymuffins: drivers aren't CPU-specific[21:04]<Triskelios> or architecture-specific for the most part[21:04]<Amadiro> indeed, any tuner that works under linux in general should work with the rpi as well.[21:04]<cheezymuffins> well in that case i would find a nice one. I bought a cheap $20 tv tuner and i only get like 4 channels[21:04]<mrlinux222> That is why I am trying to find one that would work. Of course like any piece of hardware out there, they only say "compatible with win 7, vista" so I never know if it will work with Linux let alone Pi[21:05]<Amadiro> mrlinux222, well, googling something like "usb tv tuner for linux" or so should get you quite some results.[21:05]<mrlinux222> I have used PCI cards succesfully in the past, but USB is much harder to find[21:05]* eephillip (~eephillip@pdpc/supporter/student/eephillip) has left #raspberrypi[21:05]* eephillip (~eephillip@pdpc/supporter/student/eephillip) has joined #raspberrypi[21:06]<Triskelios> my main concern with your idea is whether a RPi would have enough computrons to handle video capture over USB while also recording to some other destination (presumably over the Ethernet interface)[21:07]<mrlinux222> I was hoping to save my recorded content to an external HD[21:07]<Amadiro> as long as you don't also want to simultaneously play it, there should be no issue[21:07]<Amadiro> if you want to simultaneously play it, you'll need to find some player that can feed the stream into the VC[21:08]<mrlinux222> http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices <<< shows a great list of devices that should do well. Now my concern that Triskelios brought up, is computing. Will the rpi handle it?[21:08]<Amadiro> I don't know if omxplayer & friends do that[21:08]* netw1z (~the@cpe-74-73-231-93.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:08]<mrlinux222> I was planning on using OpenELEC which uses XBMC[21:11]* cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf[21:11]* Bunny_ (~s98259@unaffiliated/cmi-dos) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:12]* mrlinux222 (~mrlinux22@66.90.73.44) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[21:14]* bortzmeyer (~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:31b6:23c6:7e28:a872) has joined #raspberrypi[21:15]<netw1z> anyone figure out how to record audio video bluetooth on their rPI?[21:17]* cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe[21:18]* Milos_ (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:18]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:18]* Milos_ (Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[21:19]* Milos|Netbook (Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[21:20]* Milos|Netbook (Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Client Quit)[21:21]* tinti (~tinti@maxtrack-F4-0-3-gacc04.bhe.embratel.net.br) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[21:21]* AeroNotix (~xeno@aafu74.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #raspberrypi[21:26]* millerii (~pi@e218.ip3.netikka.fi) has joined #raspberrypi[21:27]* netw1z (~the@cpe-74-73-231-93.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:27]<Perkele> is there a list of packages that come with the standard image?[21:28]<rikkib> There is a log of what is installed in the image[21:29]<rikkib> I am trying to think where it is...[21:30]<pksato> dpkg --get-selections[21:30]<pksato> to get a list.[21:31]<Perkele> i haven't installed it yet[21:31]<Perkele> in fact, i don't even have the device yet :D[21:31]<Perkele> just ordered it but i'm so excited[21:32]<pksato> I think, raspian is a standar LXDE desktop instalation.[21:33]<rikkib> Look in /var/lib/dpkg[21:33]* Zencrypter (~Chuck-nor@AMontsouris-754-1-4-116.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #raspberrypi[21:33]* Zencrypter is now known as Encrypt[21:34]* cozmic (cozmic@89-160-133-29.du.xdsl.is) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:35]* Hopsy (~Hopsy@unaffiliated/hopsy) has joined #raspberrypi[21:36]* netw1z (~the@cpe-74-73-231-93.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:36]<timmmaaaayyy> anyone know how to start openvpn at bootup?[21:36]* JesseC (~JesseCWor@wsip-98-175-20-126.br.br.cox.net) Quit ()[21:37]<rikkib> Put a script in /etc/init.d and run update-rd.d scriptname start from memory[21:37]* jankyhellface (~jankyhell@173.239.75.186) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8)[21:38]* kkimlabs (~kkimlabs@cpe-66-65-60-161.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:38]<rikkib> script must be in standard init.d format[21:38]* jankyhellface (~jankyhell@173.239.75.186) has joined #raspberrypi[21:38]<pksato> timmmaaaayyy: if are a offical distro package, read documentation.[21:38]<rikkib> there is a skeleton[21:38]* scummos^ is now known as scummos[21:38]<timmmaaaayyy> i've been playing with this for 2 hours. i've read all over the place[21:39]<pksato> raspbian?[21:39]<rikkib> openvpn should come witha startup srcipt[21:39]<timmmaaaayyy> raspbmc[21:39]<rikkib> ahhh[21:39]<timmmaaaayyy> i can get it to start manually, which works fine. but nothing i do makes it start at bootup[21:39]* rikkib has no idea[21:40]<timmmaaaayyy> i'm thinking if i can just throw the maual command into some startup file then i'd be good???.but i'm not sure how to do that[21:40]<pksato> check files on /etc/default, have one called openvpn?[21:41]<pksato> wait... ssh to one of my server...[21:41]<millerii> i just think almost same thing but may[21:41]<TAFB_ext4> hey pksato! :)[21:42]<timmmaaaayyy> pksato: yes i have one[21:42]<millerii> mayby you could use crontab[21:42]<pksato> timmmaaaayyy: open and make necessary modifications.[21:42]<gordonDrogon> quick2wire, anyone?[21:42]<gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/q2w-1.jpg[21:42]<millerii> i get qit that to start screen and irasi on boot[21:42]<TAFB_ext4> hey gordonDrogon :)[21:42]<rikkib> The standard way to start something at boot time, specially daemons is to use init daemon[21:43]<Hopsy> make ARCH=armv6l CROSS_COMPILE= -C /lib/modules/3.2.27+/build M=/home/pi/Desktop/rtl8192CU_8188CU_linux_v2.0.939.20100726/driver/rtl8192CU_linux_v2.0.939.20100726 modules[21:43]<rikkib> /etc/init.d[21:43]<Hopsy> what is[21:43]<millerii> facking typos[21:43]<TAFB_ext4> on my arch it uses systemd. it's horrible. gimme rc.local back![21:43]<pksato> AUTOSTART="profile_to_be_server" or AUTOSTART="profile_to_be_a_client"[21:43]<Hopsy> 3.2.7+ ?[21:43]* h0cin (~h0cin@unaffiliated/h0cin) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[21:43]<Hopsy> 3.2.27+ * ?[21:44]<rikkib> rc.local is for commands rather than starting daemons and the like (services).[21:44]<Hopsy> this is the error: make: *** /lib/modules/3.2.27+/build: No such file or directory. Stop.[21:44]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) has joined #raspberrypi[21:45]<Hopsy> should I create one :p[21:45]<TAFB_ext4> hehe. I use to use rc.local for everything, never ending looping .sh scripts, the works! :)[21:45]<timmmaaaayyy> i think i want to use rc.local. saying 'service openvpn start' doesn't do anything. but saying 'openvpn /etc/openvpn/raspi.ovpn' works perfectly[21:45]<TAFB_ext4> pksato: did you see my newest chart? EXT3 vs EXT4 with tweaked fstab and write journal caching enabled?!?! :)[21:45]<pksato> timmmaaaayyy: conf need to stay on correct file to init.d start[21:46]<rikkib> timmmaaaayyy, No[21:46]<pksato> mv /etc/openvpn/raspi.ovpn /etc/openvpn/raspi.conf[21:46]* DexterLB (~angel@87-126-19-80.btc-net.bg) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:46]<pksato> AUTOSTART="raspi"[21:47]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:47]<timmmaaaayyy> oh shit???why the heck do i have them named .ovpn?[21:47]<timmmaaaayyy> lol[21:47]* tdy (~tdy@unaffiliated/tdy) has joined #raspberrypi[21:48]<timmmaaaayyy> that worked beautifully!!![21:48]* ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean[21:48]* timmmaaaayyy was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean[21:48]* timmmaaaayyy (~anonymous@cpe-74-73-185-27.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[21:48]<timmmaaaayyy> now i need to figure out why in the world i wasn't using .conf this whole time! IDIOT[21:48]* IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean[21:49]<rikkib> You don't know what you don't know...[21:49]* cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf[21:50]<Hopsy> can someone help my with installing wifi[21:50]<Hopsy> I am getting a stupig error[21:50]<rikkib> There are several mechanisms to start things at boot[21:50]<pksato> Hopsy: just plug the dongle. and make wpa_supplicant files[21:50]<pksato> ou wpa_ options on interfaces[21:51]<rikkib> It may be as simple as editing a line in a file in the /etc/default dir or creating your own startup script in /etc/init.d[21:51]<gordonDrogon> TAFB_ext4, What Ho![21:51]* DexterLB (~angel@87-126-19-80.btc-net.bg) has joined #raspberrypi[21:51]<rikkib> You still drowning Gordon?[21:52]<gordonDrogon> I don't appear to be.[21:52]<gordonDrogon> although we just had another flood warning a few hours ago.[21:52]<pksato> TAFB_ext4: what chart?[21:53]<TAFB_ext4> new chart!!! http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-23-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_Sandisk_SSD_iozone_EXT3_vs_EXT4_test.png[21:53]<rikkib> Brilliant sunny day down in the antipodes...[21:53]<TAFB_ext4> ext4 with no barriers and data=writeback just SMOKES for performance :)[21:53]<gordonDrogon> Hmph. We've had a yerars worth of rain in a month.[21:53]* nferenc (~nferenc@opensuse/member/nferenc) has joined #raspberrypi[21:54]<TAFB_ext4> gordonDrogon: We got a foot of snow yesterday... weird weather.[21:54]* netw1z (~the@cpe-74-73-231-93.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:54]* Nolaan (~nolaan@78.193.54.211) has left #raspberrypi[21:54]<rikkib> Cyclone that devastated Samoa and Fiji missed us here with just a little rain to water the garden...[21:54]<atouk> hurricane sandy here, plus storms after. no sympathy from me ;)[21:55]<TAFB_ext4> atouk: hey hey :)[21:55]<atouk> 'lo[21:56]* Milos|Netbook (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) has joined #raspberrypi[21:56]<TAFB_ext4> atouk: peeps are asking me to release my source code for the tweaked status page... with the dynamic live updating :)[21:56]* rikkib reserves any comment about America and disasters.[21:56]<atouk> so? do it[21:56]<TAFB_ext4> atouk: but my php code is so... messy, horrible :)[21:56]<atouk> ok, i'll clean it up if you ask nice...[21:57]<sundancer> i find this very useful http://code.google.com/p/webiopi/ ![21:57]<TAFB_ext4> woot :) that might help :)[21:57]<atouk> but only formatting/obvious errors since i don't run the same setup as you[21:58]<atouk> just email it to me @ me .com[21:58]<TAFB_ext4> will do, thanks :)[21:58]<TAFB_ext4> atouk: it should run perfect on your Pi I would think? if anything, I just had to remove a bunch of stuff that arch/my arm didn't support?[21:59]<atouk> fair warning. firday on a holiday weekend, and i've been working on a bottle of kahlua midnight[22:00]* rikkib never approves of interpreted languages... They are only a stepping stone to real languages such as C and ASM. You may as well go all the way and just learn C/ASM.[22:00]<atouk> i cut my teeth on Z80 asm[22:00]* m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[22:02]* juchmis (~juchmis@pool-72-94-185-159.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) Quit ()[22:02]<atouk> trivia question, what do opcodes 0x00 and 0x80 have in common (careful, trick wuestion)[22:03]<TAFB_ext4> they both have an x in them?[22:03]<atouk> nooo minus 2 for that answer[22:03]<TAFB_ext4> rofl[22:03]<TAFB_ext4> :)[22:04]* m1k3 (~m1k3@rrcs-208-105-236-250.nys.biz.rr.com) has left #raspberrypi[22:04]<atouk> 0x heans that the following number is in hex[22:05]<atouk> so 0x00 = 00h[22:06]<atouk> 0x00 for the zilog Z80 is the NOP command, and for the intel family 0x80 is the NOP command[22:06]<IT_Sean> wow.[22:07]<atouk> NOP = No Operation. meaning a processor command that does nothing[22:07]<IT_Sean> ... you are an incredibly massive dork for knowing that. :p[22:07]<gordonDrogon> I know several 6502 opcodes ...[22:07]<IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: so? we KNEW you were a dork. :p[22:07]<gordonDrogon> sad, but I've written kilobytes and kilobytes of 6502 assembler...[22:07]<gordonDrogon> I prefer the term 'geek' ..[22:07]<IT_Sean> sorry.[22:07]<xacobe97> what revision number is 000f? :/[22:08]<gordonDrogon> it's a rev 2 Pi.[22:08]<Phrewfuf> weren't dorks those who just act like geeks, but aren't?[22:08]<IT_Sean> Fine, you can be a geek. But atouk is still a dork.[22:08]<gordonDrogon> :)[22:08]<IT_Sean> Phrewfuf: no. There is an entire pecking order.[22:08]<atouk> anyone that has written ANYTHING in assemeby (reguardless of family) deserves a hat tip[22:08]<xacobe97> thanks gordonDrogon c:[22:08]<bs123> code 5 i believe rev 2[22:08]<IT_Sean> Geeks beat up nerds who beat up dorks.[22:08]<Phrewfuf> IT_Sean: i always confuse those[22:08]<IT_Sean> Geeks, of course, get beaten up by the schoolyard bully.[22:08]* bs123 (bs123@cpc3-craw2-0-0-cust142.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit ()[22:09]<Phrewfuf> well...all three of them do :D[22:09]<IT_Sean> actually, all three get beaten up by the schoolyard bully, come to think of it, :p[22:09]<gordonDrogon> 0x00 is BRK in 6502. causes a software trap.[22:09]<Phrewfuf> It's a trap![22:09]<IT_Sean> But, as far as the three go... It's geeks who beat up nerds who beat up dorks.[22:09]<Phrewfuf> what are dorks then ??[22:09]<Phrewfuf> ??o[22:09]<gordonDrogon> Geeks get the girls (or boys if that's their thing!)[22:09]<IT_Sean> dorks are the kids that get picked on by nerds.[22:10]<IT_Sean> I just said that![22:10]<IT_Sean> were you not listening!?[22:10]<Phrewfuf> IT_Sean: /434 (as in http://ragefac.es/434[22:10]<atouk> dorks get beaten up, geeks get perfect grades, but nerds rule the world[22:10]<Phrewfuf> yeah, don't fuck with the nerds[22:10]* IT_Sean sighs[22:10]<Phrewfuf> they'll end up being your superior[22:10]* ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean[22:10]* Phrewfuf was kicked from #raspberrypi by IT_Sean[22:11]* mwschib (irc@unaffiliated/mwschib) Quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:11]<atouk> and jocks end up working for all three[22:11]<gordonDrogon> I just had to lookup NOP is 6502. I didn't know it. 0xEA. How about that. Probably never used it ...[22:11]* Phrewfuf (~Phrewfuf@shackspace/andy) has joined #raspberrypi[22:11]<atouk> nop was often used for timing loops ;)[22:11]<Phrewfuf> meh, you could've at least told me to stop it first :([22:11]<IT_Sean> that's awfully sloppy[22:11]* IT_Sean points to the topic[22:12]<Hopsy> auch http://cache.gyazo.com/b3aab9ef304eb418aec8cf8a017d3c51.png?1356729098[22:12]<atouk> also as a place holder for self modifying code[22:12]<Phrewfuf> IT_Sean: it somehow got covered by all that userlist right there[22:12]<Hopsy> why is my directory gonee[22:12]<Phrewfuf> hm, why does weechat display it anyway, need to fix that ??o[22:13]* nferenc (~nferenc@opensuse/member/nferenc) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:13]<IT_Sean> Phrewfuf: ahh... your client doesn't display the topic properly?[22:13]<IT_Sean> In that case, i apologise.[22:13]<IT_Sean> Mind the language, please.[22:13]<atouk> itsean, what is the NOP instructin in R-pi assembly? (looks at topic)[22:14]<IT_Sean> I have nooooooooo flipping clue, atouk[22:14]<atouk> hehe[22:14]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28D03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Quit: NIN101)[22:14]<IT_Sean> why is that funny?[22:14]<atouk> must be the kahlua midnight[22:15]* NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD28D03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #raspberrypi[22:15]<IT_Sean> o_O[22:15]<gordonDrogon> Looks like ARM NOP is mov r0,r0[22:16]<gordonDrogon> I've a funny feeling sparc and i860 was that too.[22:16]<gordonDrogon> (I did lots of both onceuponatime too)[22:16]<IT_Sean> you are dating yourself, gordonDrogon[22:16]<IT_Sean> :p[22:16]<gordonDrogon> never really got into ARM assembly code though, even though I had an Arc...[22:16]<viric> gordonDrogon: I didn't get much clue of https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=119736[22:16]<gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, might as well be - my wifes just gone on holiday...[22:17]<viric> gordonDrogon: are cgroups used in raspbian?[22:17]<IT_Sean> oooooh! TMI! TMI![22:17]<gordonDrogon> viric, I think they're just enabled in all modern kernels, but I've no idea how they actually work - I thought they needed some sort of userland uspport - e.g. from a window manager to make the interactive stuff fast...[22:18]<gordonDrogon> TMI?[22:18]<Phrewfuf> Too much information[22:18]<atouk> never even looked. IS there an asm package that works on the pi?[22:18]<viric> gordonDrogon: systemd uses a cgroup per login session. But I don't think raspbian does things like that[22:18]<gordonDrogon> atouk, 'as'[22:19]<viric> For two processes launched in the same session, nice should work[22:19]<viric> raspbian even hasn't the cgroups mounted.[22:20]<Amadiro> atouk, rpi is ARM, which is an extremely common architecture nowadays -- so yes, there are assemblers for it :)[22:20]<atouk> i miss pure assembly coe, but fear i'm too old to do it anymore. that's a young person's game[22:20]* felipealmeida (~user@mvx-187-16-79-187.mundivox.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:20]<atouk> (code)[22:21]<Hopsy> how do I connect or search for wifi hotspots?[22:23]* Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky[22:23]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #raspberrypi[22:24]<Amadiro> iwlist wlan0 scan[22:24]<Amadiro> iwconfig to connect[22:24]<Hopsy> Yes its working![22:26]<TAFB_ext4> congrats![22:26]<Hopsy> thnx[22:28]<atouk> jsut remember to send your dollar to his paypal account[22:28]<IT_Sean> ly, it's up to $1.25 now.[22:28]<IT_Sean> *actually[22:28]<IT_Sean> to cover operating costs.[22:28]* aphadke (~Adium@c-71-198-5-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[22:29]<ParkerR_> Hey hey[22:29]<TAFB_ext4> hey parker!![22:29]* aphadke (~Adium@c-71-198-5-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has left #raspberrypi[22:29]<TAFB_ext4> I'm ext4 now baby :)[22:29]* bearbin (~bearbin@88-109-27-236.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) Quit (Quit: Leaving)[22:29]* Pickley (~Pickley@203.160.127.176) has joined #raspberrypi[22:29]<ParkerR_> TAFB_ext4: Whats up[22:30]<TAFB_ext4> my write speed is up 43%!!![22:30]<ParkerR_> Nice[22:30]<TAFB_ext4> http://ecuflashking.com/2012-12-22-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_arch_linux_hack/2012-12-23-Seagate_GoFlex_Home_hacked_with_Arch_Linux_Sandisk_SSD_iozone_EXT3_vs_EXT4_test.png[22:30]<Hopsy> is it possible to scan all wifi signals around me?[22:31]<ParkerR_> iwlist scan[22:31]<SpeedEvil> yes[22:31]<Hopsy> I am curious what keind of mass of load I will get[22:31]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) Quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[22:31]<Hopsy> I mean packages *[22:31]<Hopsy> to sniff all packages[22:31]* Xark (~chatzilla@cpe-50-113-123-229.san.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[22:32]<ParkerR_> Ohh[22:32]<ParkerR_> Well it would have to be on the same network[22:32]<ParkerR_> Wireshark might work[22:32]<Amadiro> kismet or so probably allows you to do that[22:32]<TAFB_ext4> status page workin hot :) live updating working flawless and amooth :) http://tafb.yi.org[22:32]<TAFB_ext4> smooth[22:32]* Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk[22:33]* dangerousdave (~dangerous@78.156.71.46) has joined #raspberrypi[22:34]<ParkerR_> TAFB_ext4: Wait so is that the Pi or the Seagate?[22:34]<TAFB_ext4> the Seagate[22:34]<ParkerR_> I thought you did ext4 on the Pi[22:34]<TAFB_ext4> I think the Pi comes with EXT4 already, no?[22:34]* zleap (~zleap@dsl-217-155-46-222.zen.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[22:34]<ParkerR_> Hmm ok[22:34]<ParkerR_> Just weird because we are in a Pi channel :P[22:34]<TAFB_ext4> this seagate box used uBoot, which only works with ext3, so wasn't easy to switch it over.[22:34]<ParkerR_> Thought you were talking about the Pi[22:35]<TAFB_ext4> lol :)[22:35]<TomWij> Toothpick: How's the install going?[22:36]<TomWij> (My buffer for this room is still a small default, so might have missed any earlier messages; still need to increase it :D)[22:36]<TAFB_ext4> TomWij: do you ever use the logs on freenode website?[22:36]* InControl (~InControl@firewall.adslnation.com) has joined #raspberrypi[22:37]<IT_Sean> TomWij: Look at the topic... We have our own logs, sorted by date[22:37]<TomWij> Right, I'll take a look there, not every room is logged though.[22:37]<IT_Sean> There is a URL in the topic line for this channel, where we host our own, full, uncut logs[22:37]<TomWij> IT_Sean: Though the goal is to get relevant messages in my highmon buffer, if this channel's buffer is too small I'll miss important messages. :D[22:37]<TAFB_ext4> http://srv.datagutt1.com[22:37]<IT_Sean> http://srv.datagutt1.com[22:38]<TAFB_ext4> beat ya[22:38]<TAFB_ext4> :)[22:38]<IT_Sean> [censored][22:38]<IT_Sean> :p[22:38]<TAFB_ext4> rofl[22:38]<TAFB_ext4> when people say: paging tafb[22:38]<TAFB_ext4> how would that ever alert someone? or is that just incase they are watching or look through logs, etc.[22:39]<TomWij> And yup, missed this one... [20:19] <Toothpick> TomWij: are you still here?[22:39]<rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ For those wishing to watch today's construction activity live... Today I am mounting RPi stuff in a sealed enclosure. Project: Remote DC powered night vision camera and control.[22:39]<TomWij> Funnily, my buffer goes back to 20:49 or so. :D (It's 22:40 now)[22:39]<IT_Sean> neeeeeat.[22:39]* Pickley (~Pickley@203.160.127.176) Quit (Quit: Pickley)[22:39]<TAFB_ext4> rikkib: awesome :)[22:39]* frikinz (~frikinz@quinput.org) has joined #raspberrypi[22:39]<IT_Sean> rikkib: where is this uberspycam going?[22:40]<rikkib> Tree down the back for testing[22:40]<rikkib> haha[22:40]<rikkib> tree cam[22:41]* dobra-dobra (~pi@89-74-74-150.dynamic.chello.pl) Quit (Quit: leaving)[22:41]<TomWij> Buffering 2000 messages should be fine. :D[22:41]<IT_Sean> neat[22:41]<Toothpick> TomWij: hey there[22:41]<gordonDrogon> not much new in the PiStore..[22:42]<gordonDrogon> I guess it's the time of the year too![22:42]<TAFB_ext4> how do you get to the pistore?[22:42]<gordonDrogon> apt-get install pistore[22:42]<gordonDrogon> then run pistore[22:42]<TomWij> Toothpick: These awesome guys helped me find your ping from 2 hours 30 minutes ago, because my bouncer hid it from me... :D[22:43]<Toothpick> lol[22:43]<TomWij> So, how's the XBMC compilation going?[22:43]<TomWij> Or is the JDK still broken?[22:43]<Toothpick> wow, mine is 24 hours back hehe[22:43]<Toothpick> TomWij: i had a problem of making virtual/jre and virtual/jdk a dependency of oracle-jdk[22:44]<Toothpick> TomWij: let me tell you how i did it[22:44]<TomWij> But you did solve it?[22:44]<Toothpick> no[22:45]<Toothpick> TomWij: i edited the last version of each package (virtual/{jre,jdk})'s ebuild and added as a RDEPEND"=dev-java/oracle-jdk-0*"[22:45]<Toothpick> then updated the manifest[22:45]<gordonDrogon> someone was asking me about vncserver on the Pi the other day... /ponders/ just rememberd it as I've just run it up to run pistore with...[22:46]<gordonDrogon> Hopsy, ? (vncserver - were you asking how I did it?)[22:46]<Toothpick> TomWij: then added virtual/{jre,jdk} as a DEPEND to dev-java/oracle-jdk's ebuild[22:46]<Hopsy> yes yesterday[22:46]<Toothpick> TomWij: and still had the same problem[22:46]<Hopsy> you did connect from linux to linux[22:47]<Hopsy> what tool did you used?[22:47]<Hopsy> to view the vncserver[22:47]<gordonDrogon> I run vncserver on the Pi, then vncviewer pi1:1 on my Linux desktop[22:47]<Hopsy> to connect to the vncserver *[22:47]<gordonDrogon> pi1 is it's ip/name[22:47]<TomWij> Toothpick: No, that makes a circular dependency. Normally the XBMC ebuild would depend on the virtual, and that virtual would pull in the oracle-jdk.[22:48]* mwschib (irc@unaffiliated/mwschib) has joined #raspberrypi[22:48]<Hopsy> http://cache.gyazo.com/3e68543968175b6592e4509e2f5ed0df.png?1356731305 gordonDrogon[22:48]<Toothpick> TomWij: i thought the dev-java/oracle-jdk should depend on the jdk and jre, and the jre \ jdk have to reverse dependency on oracle-jdk[22:48]<Hopsy> segmentationfault[22:49]<gordonDrogon> you're running viewer on the Pi? Does that Pi have a local screen & keyboard?[22:49]<Hopsy> I am using tightvnc[22:50]<Hopsy> uhm, yes I can do that[22:50]<gordonDrogon> tightvncserver on the Pi, and xtightvncviewer on the desktop.[22:50]<TomWij> Toothpick: The virtuals mean "any of these", XBMC wants any java so it depends on virtual/jre, virtual/jre on its own depends on virtual/jdk and virtual/jdk depends on oracle-jdk. Now, when you have oracle-jdk that would satisfy as a good Java version for XBMC.[22:50]<gordonDrogon> they are both tightvnc.[22:51]<TomWij> Toothpick: As for java-config-2, I was wrong, you should have dev-java/java-config installed for that.[22:51]<TomWij> It should have been a DEPEND for the oracle-jdk package.[22:51]<Toothpick> TomWij: so i have to delete the virtual/jdk \ jre folder?[22:51]<Hopsy> gordonDrogon: keep in mind that I use rpi to windows[22:52]<Hopsy> butt that wouldnt matter i think?[22:52]<gordonDrogon> Hopsy, no idea. your trying to view one Pi on another?[22:52]* Alfihar (~Yuuka@siberios.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[22:52]<Hopsy> I am trying to view my windows pc, using pi[22:53]<gordonDrogon> oh.[22:53]<TomWij> So, I was wrong for two things: 1) You don't need virtual/jre necessarily as virtual/jdk will do; although the rest stays the same, you will want XBMC to depend on virtual/jdk and virtual/jdk to depend on your XBMC. 2) For the oracle-jdk install to succeed, you need to add DEPEND="dev-java/java-config" to its ebuild, manifest it again and _emerge_ (not ebuild) oracle-jdk again.[22:53]<TomWij> Toothpick: No, see above ^[22:53]<gordonDrogon> well, er... good luck :)[22:53]<Hopsy> haha :([22:53]<gordonDrogon> I've never tried that. might be issues with colour depth? Pi only 16-bit?[22:53]<TomWij> Toothpick: Oops, small correction, "virtual/jdk to depend on your oracle-jdk, not XBMC".[22:53]<Hopsy> can you try it, pleaassee[22:54]<Hopsy> when you have some time[22:54]<TomWij> Toothpick: On my RPi I already had the java-config by trying other packages, hence I didn't notice the missing dependency. :S[22:54]<TomWij> (I assumed the virtual did that, but it did not)[22:54]* confusid (~confusid@static-71-178-222-34.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has left #raspberrypi[22:55]<Toothpick> TomWij: so i'll delete the virtual/jdk \ jre folder from the /usr/local/portage anyway[22:55]<Toothpick> first thing[22:55]* IT_Sean (~sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: off)[22:55]<TomWij> Toothpick: Since you manually compile XBMC, you can get rid of the virtuals and just add DEPEND="dev-java/java-config" to oracle-jdk and remanifest/re-emerge.[22:56]* Foxhoundz (~Foxhoundz@unaffiliated/foxhoundz) has joined #raspberrypi[22:56]* cpg|away is now known as cpg[22:56]<Toothpick> TomWij: no, i emerge XBMC, I do not compile it manually[22:56]<TomWij> (Though the clean Gentoo way is to use an ebuild, also advisable since you can then repeat a compile later on if you want to change how it's comipled)[22:56]<gordonDrogon> Hopsy, I'd need a windows PC first...[22:57]<Hopsy> I mean from pi to linux[22:57]<gordonDrogon> pi is linux.[22:57]<TomWij> Toothpick: Oh, in that case: 1) Delete virtual/jre. 2) Make the following dependencies: XBMC depends on virtual/jdk depends on den-java/oracle-jdk depends on dev-java/java-config (each one depends on the next)[22:57]<gordonDrogon> that's what I'm doing right now - run server on Pi, run viewer on Desktop linux.[22:58]* netw1z (~the@cpe-74-73-231-93.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[22:59]* confuzled (~confuzz@ip24-253-157-252.hr.hr.cox.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:59]<Toothpick> TomWij: before making XBMC depend on virtual/jdk do i need to `cp /usr/portage/media-tv/xbmc/ /usr/local/portage/` ?[22:59]<gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/screen.png[23:00]<TomWij> Toothpick: Yes, you'll want a /usr/local/portage/media-tv/xbmc/ with the ebuild copied in as well as the files folder.[23:00]<Toothpick> cp /usr/portage/media-tv/xbmc/ /usr/local/portage/media-tv/xbmc << correction[23:00]<gordonDrogon> wonder if I can view another Pi inside that Pi running to my desktop...[23:00]* timmmaaaayyy (~anonymous@cpe-74-73-185-27.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: timmmaaaayyy)[23:00]<TomWij> Toothpick: mkdir the media-tv first[23:00]<Toothpick> TomWij: yep[23:01]<Toothpick> TomWij: thank you for taking your time with me, i am completely new at messing with ebuilds :)[23:01]<TomWij> Toothpick: You'll want to adjust the configure phase as well, since it misses the Raspberry Pi specific target and settings.[23:02]<TomWij> econf CFLAGS="${CFLAGS} -I/opt/vc/include -I/opt/vc/include/interface/vcos/pthreads/" CPPFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -L/opt/vc/lib"[23:03]<TomWij> --with-platform=raspberry-pi --disable-alsa --disable-pulse --disable-texturepacker --enable-gles --enable-player=omxplayer --disable-sdl[23:03]<gordonDrogon> well, it appears that I can.[23:03]* bortzmeyer (~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:31b6:23c6:7e28:a872) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)[23:04]<TomWij> And for the compile phase[23:04]<TomWij> CFLAGS="${CFLAGS} -I/opt/vc/include -I/opt/vc/include/interface/vcos/pthreads/" CPPFLAGS="${CPPFLAGS} -I/opt/vc/include -I/opt/vc/include/interface/vcos/pthreads/" CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS} -I/opt/vc/include -I/opt/vc/include/interface/vcos/pthreads/" LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -L/opt/vc/lib" emake || die "emake failed"[23:04]<gordonDrogon> pi1 runs vncserver, desktop views pi1's desktop. pi2 runs server, pi1 (insude the viewer on my desktop) runs viewer for pi2 and it works.[23:04]* Encrypt (~Chuck-nor@AMontsouris-754-1-4-116.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) Quit (Quit: Quitte)[23:05]<gordonDrogon> I have a 3rd pi... shall I?[23:05]* Wali (~Wali@pool-108-28-75-103.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:05]<Toothpick> TomWij: i followed everything you said but making "virtual/jdk depends on den-java/oracle-jdk"[23:05]<Toothpick> TomWij: is it already depending on oracle-jdk? if not should i modify its ebuild ?[23:05]<TomWij> Toothpick: ^ Above are the important bits of what I have, if you want alsa and pulse I have a patch to make XBMC support them for Raspberry Pi. Similarly, to get the FLAGS really working and to get rid in a better way of the TexturePacker compile error I have another patch file for the Makefile.[23:06]<TomWij> Toothpick: Well, if you added "dev-java/oracle-jdk" to RDEPEND of "virtual/jdk" then it would depend on it.[23:08]* klm[_] (milkman@unaffiliated/klm-/x-7727058) has joined #raspberrypi[23:08]* kripton is now known as Kripton[23:08]<gordonDrogon> well, looks like it "just works".[23:09]<gordonDrogon> desktop views pi1, pi1 views pi2, pi2 views pi0..[23:09]<gordonDrogon> oh well, that was fun.[23:09]<artag> don't close the wrong window. you might find yourself trapped inside.[23:09]<gordonDrogon> :)[23:10]* netw1z (~the@cpe-74-73-231-93.nyc.res.rr.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[23:11]<Toothpick> TomWij: ok so after changing /usr/local/portage/media-tv/xbmc/xbmc-9999.ebuild i need to run `ebuild /usr/local/portage/media-tv/xbmc/xbmc-9999.ebuild manifest` ? or manifest ebuild?[23:12]<TomWij> Toothpick: Yeah, that command between the backticks is alright.[23:12]<TomWij> If you ever forget it'll complain about it and then ignore your ebuild. :P[23:12]<Toothpick> TomWij: should it merge oracle-jdk automatically?[23:13]<Toothpick> TomWij: wait no it shouldn't[23:13]<TomWij> Toothpick: If you have applied that whole dependency chain I sent you at :57 it will try to emerge one of the dependencies of virtual/jdk.[23:13]* jmonreal (~jmonreal@200.41.55.194) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)[23:14]* eephillip (~eephillip@pdpc/supporter/student/eephillip) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[23:15]<TomWij> I believe there are other possible ones, so unless you listed oracle-jdk first it will suggest those first; best to explicitly emerge oracle-jdk so it satisfies that dependency.[23:15]<Toothpick> TomWij: aha[23:16]<TomWij> Toothpick: With the java-config dependency oracle-jdk should now succeed without an error at the end.[23:16]* TomWij goes and correct his ebuilds for whenever he needs to emerge them again...[23:18]* markit (~marco@88-149-177-66.v4.ngi.it) Quit ()[23:18]* peetaur2 (~peter@hmbg-4d06ae7a.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:18]<Toothpick> TomWij: this is so far what I have done: http://bpaste.net/show/66976/[23:19]<Toothpick> TomWij: currently in the process of running the last one[23:19]* Weaselweb (~quassel@77-64-181-50.dynamic.primacom.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)[23:24]<TomWij> Toothpick: dev-java/oracle-jdk should no longer depend on virtual/jdk[23:24]<TomWij> RDEPEND is not "reverse" dependency, it is "runtime" dependency[23:25]<TomWij> "XBMC needs java at runtime" would be valid, whereas "oracle-jdk needs java at runtime" makes no sense since it provides java.[23:26]<Toothpick> TomWij: oh, so i need to copy virtual/jdk to my local portage dir and change its ebuild too ?[23:26]<TomWij> Toothpick: I don't know whether ebuild does dependency resolution, so for that last line you'll want to do `emerge oracle-jdk` instead.[23:27]<TomWij> Toothpick: Yes, it's virtual/jdk that should depend on dev-java/oracle-jdk hence you'll need to adjust the virtual.[23:31]* eephillip (~eephillip@pdpc/supporter/student/eephillip) has joined #raspberrypi[23:32]<TomWij> Toothpick: Hmm, there are appears to be support for RPi in https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/blob/dc8f921bfda8dd031da53a42f303d7c9324e7fa5/tools/rbp/depends/depends.mk[23:32]<rikkib> http://www.bencom.co.nz/cam/ 4 modules fixed inside a sealed enclosure...[23:33]<TomWij> Although by the looks of "export SYSROOT=/usr/local/bcm-gcc/arm-bcm2708-linux-gnueabi/sys-root" this is for when you build it using a cross-compiler, not natively (with distcc pumping) on the RPi.[23:33]<Hopsy> wuahaha gordonDrogon :D[23:33]<Hopsy> cool[23:34]* Cykey (~textual@modemcable119.94-162-184.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[23:34]* IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi[23:35]* Kripton is now known as kripton[23:35]* XenGi is now known as XenGi_[23:35]<Toothpick> TomWij: weird, emerge -pv oracle-jdk pulls in both jdk and jre, does it make sense?[23:36]* echosystm (~echosystm@unaffiliated/echosystm) has joined #raspberrypi[23:36]<echosystm> does the ethernet on rpi support zero-copy?[23:37]<viric> echosystm: it's a usb ethernet[23:37]<TomWij> Toothpick: Yes, java-config depends on that.[23:37]<echosystm> is that a "no" viric ?[23:38]* Delboy (~openwrt@132-128.dsl.iskon.hr) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[23:38]* timmmaaaayyy (~anonymous@cpe-74-73-185-27.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi[23:38]<Toothpick> TomWij: that is a circle of dependencies then...[23:38]<Toothpick> virtual/jdk > dev-java/oracle-jdk > dev-java/java-config > virtual/jdk[23:38]<TomWij> Yeah, but it doesn't matter in that case.[23:39]<Hodapp> what is zero-copy?[23:39]<echosystm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-copy[23:40]<echosystm> ie. buffers can be sent straight from hdd to network, without putting a huge load on your cpu[23:40]<intothev01d> anyone here use raspbian and xbmc image?[23:40]* Alfihar (~Yuuka@siberios.co.uk) has joined #raspberrypi[23:41]<TomWij> Toothpick: It would only matter if they were all DEPEND (needed for emerging, must be installed before, but some of them are RDEPEND (needed for runtime, can be installed before or after) or PDEPEND (must be installed after).[23:42]* teepee (~quassel@p508471DC.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:42]* markedathome (~markedath@unaffiliated/markedathome) has joined #raspberrypi[23:42]* Delboy (~openwrt@227-176.dsl.iskon.hr) has joined #raspberrypi[23:43]<gordonDrogon> echosystm, there's no hardware support to go from sd card to usb that I'm aware of.[23:43]<Toothpick> emerging oracle-jdk... wish me luck :)[23:43]<TomWij> Toothpick: Well, did it emerge java-config?[23:44]<Toothpick> TomWij: not yet, but it will[23:44]<echosystm> yanks gordonDrogon[23:44]<echosystm> *thanks[23:45]<Toothpick> TomWij: let's say it is done and successful... do i simply emerge xbmx right after? when do i apply the patches and edit the configure phase?[23:46]<TomWij> Toothpick: As early as possible.[23:46]<Toothpick> TomWij: how do i do that?[23:47]* dr_willis (~dr_willis@2601:d:a180:2b:4c77:e856:a9b3:13be) has joined #raspberrypi[23:48]<TomWij> Toothpick: Adjust the ebuild, you can run `ebuild ... prepare` to generate a ./configure so you can run ./configure --help to see what everything does.[23:48]<TomWij> If you scroll a bit back you'll see the important things you need.[23:48]* TAFB_ext4 is now known as TAFB_ssd[23:49]<TomWij> At :02 and :03 I've sent that[23:49]<Toothpick> TomWij: yep its all written down :)[23:50]<TAFB_ssd> ok, out to shovel snow, brb :([23:50]<megaproxy> i think i just made a weatherproof case.[23:50]<megaproxy> so simple too :D[23:52]<dr_willis> zip lock baggies?[23:53]<megaproxy> http://imgur.com/jtHOt[23:53]<megaproxy> http://imgur.com/HedPX[23:53]<IT_Sean> Nice, but, that wiring penentration is not weatherproof[23:53]<IT_Sean> you'll want to be sealing that[23:54]<megaproxy> yea[23:54]<megaproxy> im going to put some foam in[23:54]<megaproxy> and plumbing tape around the screw cap[23:54]* Alfihar (~Yuuka@siberios.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)[23:54]<IT_Sean> Seal that, and then put a paper envelope of painters dessicant in there or something, to absorb any moisture inside the jar, so that you do not get condensation forming[23:54]* dangerousdave (~dangerous@78.156.71.46) Quit (Quit: Leaving...)[23:55]* echosystm (~echosystm@unaffiliated/echosystm) has left #raspberrypi[23:55]<megaproxy> i was going to chuck a few silica packets in[23:55]<megaproxy> and some kitchen tissue[23:55]<megaproxy> im probably going to shove it up a tree[23:55]<megaproxy> just run a wire to the shed :D[23:56]* Commander1024 (~Commander@Commander1024-2-pt.tunnel.tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net) Quit (Excess Flood)[23:56]* Haaninjo (~anders@85.8.55.65) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)[23:57]* Commander1024 (~Commander@Commander1024-2-pt.tunnel.tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:57]<Coburn> I'll bootstrap a vanilla version of Raspbian[23:57]<Coburn> and upload the tarball[23:57]* thomashunter (~thomashun@c-67-167-132-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #raspberrypi[23:57]<Coburn> because I'm tired of rolling my own and the Raspbian installer does funky stuff[23:58]<Coburn> and the official image is too bloated[23:59]* Cembo (~hardcoreB@unaffiliated/cembo) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:59]<Toothpick> TomWij: almost finishing installing oracle-jdk, is this the right order of installing xbmx? 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