BringBackKirk.com interviews David
Gerrold

David Gerrold, a Hugo award winning novelist
and writer for Star Trek: The Original Series and Star Trek: The
Next Generation, recently took the time to give us an interview.
In this interview, Mr. Gerrold shares his thoughts on bringing back Kirk,
and the Star Trek franchise.

Thank you once again for taking the time to answer the
questions of fans from the Bring Back Kirk campaign. One of the greatest aspects
of the original series is the respect and appreciation those responsible have
for the fans, and the willingness to interact. That said, let’s
begin.

1. What are some of your current projects? Do you have any
books or film projects coming out?

Benbella Books has published a special edition
of THE MAN WHO FOLDED HIMSELF, they’ve just republished the first two Star Wolf
novels, THE VOYAGE OF THE STAR WOLF, THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, and a brand new Star
Wolf novel in January, BLOOD AND FIRE, based on my unproduced Star Trek script.
I’m working hard to finish the fifth book in The War Against The Chtorr, A
METHOD FOR MADNESS, and I have a couple of surprises in store too. The Magazine
of Fantasy & Science Fiction has a new novella called DANCER IN THE DARK,
coming in their April 2004 issue. The best way to keep up is check my website,
www.gerrold.com.

2. What do you think of the current state of the Trek
franchise, including "Enterprise," and the franchise's future?-- Bruce
Kanin

There are some very good folks working on
Trek, Herman Zimmerman, Mike Okuda, Chris Black, and others; but I have concerns
that some of the decision-making processes at the very highest levels do not
reflect the original spirit of Star Trek. As I’ve said elsewhere, the original
mission is to "seek out new life, new civilizations, to boldly go where no one
has gone before." That’s what inspires the audience, that’s why they fell in
love with Trek in the first place — the remarkable discoveries. The original
Trek was a visual extrapolation of the classic science fiction genre. The
current Trek too often satisfies itself with eye-candy while forgetting the much
more profound obligation to stretch the boundaries of imagination.

3. What was your reaction to Kirk's death in Generations and
the fans backlash towards Star Trek because of it?—Matt in Rochester Hills,
MI

That was the last Star Trek movie I
saw.

4. Given the emotional outcry from the fans over Kirk’s
death, the demand for his return which sparked the Bring Back Kirk campaign, the
high sales of THE RETURN, by William Shatner, and Mr. Shatner’s willingness to
return to the role of James T. Kirk, how do you feel about the return of the
character?

I’d be first in line to watch any new film or
episode that brought back Kirk. To me, Star Trek at its best has always been
about the choices confronting Kirk — whether to act on logic or emotion, whether
to be thoughtful and restrained or decisive and aggressive. Watching Kirk work
his way through a problem is the joy of Trek, because it shows that humanity at
its best is a problem-solving species; and Kirk as a role-model is the best one
Trek ever offered. Let me also add that William Shatner is the hardest-working
of all the Trek alumni. He’s a good man and he doesn’t deserve the bashing and
the ridicule that some very ignorant people have heaped on him over the years.
(Okay, yes, there’s that album, but other than that….) It’s time to give Shatner
a break, because in the early years, his hard work was a large part of what made
Star Trek work.

5. TParrent asked several questions for you:

a) If you were to bring Kirk back, how would you do
so?

b) In what time period - the 22nd, 23rd, or 24th centuries,
or elsewhen?

c) Kirk vs. Chtorr: does Kirk wind up an
appetizer?

If I were to bring back Kirk, I’d yank him in
out of an alternate timeline in which TNG and everything afterward just didn’t
happen. The TNG and post-TNG universes are so screwed up they need someone to
help straighten things out. So they grab Admiral Kirk out of retirement from a
parallel universe. I’d reunite him with any of the original actors who still
wanted to play, but my first choice of course would be Spock. George, Walter,
and Nichelle would probably love to come back too. But my primary focus would be
to have Admiral Kirk and Admiral Spock training a new generation of Starfleet
officers on a revamped Enterprise. A much smaller crew, because you no longer
need a flying city. No families. For storytelling purposes, those folks are in
the way — they are too conveniently hostages. We need a ship that is staffed by
folks willing to give their lives for the mission, if that’s what the mission
requires. The new crew would be the Mission Team, Kirk and Spock would be the
advisors with age and experience. I would still want to see Kirk in action
situations, but not hand-to-hand combat. And I wouldn’t put the burden of the
action on him, because that’s unrealistic. That’s what the Mission Team is for.
I would assemble different Mission Teams for different missions, and they
wouldn’t all be wearing red shirts with bulls-eyes on the back. This would let
us use guest stars as crew members.

6. How did you feel when they decided to go back to your
episode in the DS9 tribute 30 years later? And what were your feelings when you
saw the episode?—Lois Bateman

I thought the "Trials and Tribble-ations"
episode of DS9 was one of the best TV scripts I’d ever read, and when the
episode was filmed, it was one of the best episodes of any series I’ve ever
seen. I was enormously flattered. I thought they did a brilliant job.

7. What would you say was the difference between Gene
Roddenberry's attitude toward the viewing audience back in the 60's; and
Paramount's attitude now? Do you think their audience expectations affect the
stories they are telling, for better or for worse?—David Liddle

Back in the 60’s, Star Trek wasn’t a hit
series. It was a mid-level series that did not pull a strong rating; its
survival was always in doubt. (This was before anyone had done a demographic
study, showing that Trek was the most demographically intense way of reaching
the target audience of 18-35 males — and many females — of any show on TV.) We
knew that, so we were doing Star Trek for ourselves. We were taking chances, not
because we had an eye on the ratings, but because we wanted to see how far we
could push the envelope. That’s why a lot of stories were written by SF writers
like Harlan Ellison, Norman Spinrad, Theodore Sturgeon, Richard Matheson, and
others. Because the attitude was to do REAL science fiction. In the 80’s, the
attitude was "don’t hire SF writers, they think they know more about our series
than we do." (Well, yes, we do.) The attitude in the 80’s was that Star Trek was
now a proven cash cow. It was the "franchise." So the pressure from the studio
was not to rock the boat, not to do anything that would endanger the franchise.
This meant you couldn’t push the envelope. This meant doing stories that
pretended to be issue stories — they could acknowledge that an issue existed,
but they couldn’t make a statement about it.

8. The people behind Enterprise are pleased to announce they
are making occasional episodes in the spirit of the original series, commenting
on social issues, and following with Gene's parallel earth development theory.
But to Star Trek fans, this is not what we loved about TOS; it's just something
the writers of the time used very well. What we loved were the characters. Why
do you think there appears to be resistance to bringing them in the current
shows? Do you think it's an age thing, or maybe more to do with ego?—Samantha
Chatham

This is a great question, but unfortunately,
I’m not a mind-reader. I couldn’t possibly guess what anyone at the studio is
thinking. Regarding social issues — I think that the willingness to address an
issue is only part of what makes a great story; the other part is watching a
thoughtful, committed hero confront the problems raised by that issue; we want
to see how our role-model can look at all the sides of a problem and understand
it. And ultimately, we want that role-model to take a stand. Taking a stand is
what makes a person unique and distinct. It’s what gives a character
personality. To my mind, the original characters defined the personality of Star
Trek as a series. They had a genuine affection for each other and we saw how
they worked together as a team. Not to take away anything from any of the
subsequent shows, but I don’t think any of them have ever had characters who
reached that same level of affection in the audience’s hearts. I think a large
part of it is the writing.

9. To a lot of fans, Captain Kirk is a hero. Not an action
hero; but a man of wisdom, intelligence, compassion and tactical genius. What
does the character mean to you, and is it possible to be fond of characters you
write for in the same depth as the affection the fans feel?—Moses C.
Saunders

To me, Kirk represents the essential human
being. At his core, he has the best of all of us, and a little bit of the worst
as well. I think that’s why we can all identify with him so profoundly, why we
love him. He’s us. As for the affection of the author — not to take anything
away from the fans, but in my experience, I think that the writers love the
characters even more — because we live with them for days and weeks at a time
while we’re writing scripts or novels. We get to know them in ways that aren’t
immediately apparent to the viewer. I might not write the scene where Kirk
confesses his impatience and frustration with this, that, or the other; but in
my head, I become intimate enough with his thoughts that I am very much aware of
his impatience and frustration. Here’s something to look at. In my Star Wolf
novels, Jonathan Thomas Korie (note the initials) is a spiritual inheritor of
Kirk’s tradition. He’s a little more introverted, and has a little more
self-doubt than Kirk demonstrates, but he’s a different form of Kirk. If you
read the novels, you can see that I’ve had a lot of fun getting into his head
and watching him grapple with the details of his challenges. Although Kirk has
usually been portrayed as much more of an action hero, in point of fact, I like
him more when he gets thoughtful.

10. How would you feel if Paramount decided to rewrite
Kirk's 5 year mission, and recast the characters much in the way they are doing
with Battlestar Galactica?—Willie Davis

Since Gene Roddenberry and Gene L. Coon are
both gone, there are only two (still living) writers on the planet who have
proven that they understand the original vision of the original series. The
other one is Dorothy Fontana. Without someone on board who remembers the spirit
of the original series, it will be like every other remake — an attempt to cash
in on a name, without recapturing the vision. I haven’t seen very many sequels
or remakes that are equal to, let alone better than the original. (Godfather II
and Aliens are the only ones I can think of. No, The Empire Stirkes Back is not
as good as Star Wars; it has serious structural problems. While Princess Leia
and Han Solo are having their problems in a matter of hours, Luke is apparently
on Dagobah for several weeks…?)

11. What would you say to the people who say that William
Shatner is too old to return as Kirk? Does age matter? And do you think those
people who expect him to be leading fist-fights, don't get the essence of the
character? –D. Croutch

What would I say to folks who think that
William Shatner is too old? "Thpffft." As long as Shatner can get out of bed (or
into it, for that matter), he’ll always be Captain Kirk. Give me a
break.

12. A few years ago there was a list of reasons to Bring
Back Kirk. One of them went like this: In Star Trek 3 the crew risked everything
to bring Spock back: with Kirk losing his ship, his rank, and his son. Kirk dies
twice, and Spock doesn't even do a tricorder reading of the nexus. If you were
asked to bring Kirk back, would you seek to address this sloppy discrepency in
the Spock/Kirk relationship?—Matthew Scott

Yes. I’d have the writer of that particular
exercise shoved out the airlock. Oh, wait….never mind.

13. On the Voyager Home commentary Nimoy and Shatner both
voiced their disappointment that Paramount didn't exploit the original cast with
more feature films. If Paramount would hand over to you the responsibility of
bringing these guys back, what format would you do it in ie guest stars on
Enterprise, TV movies or a feature film?—Cheryl Ford

The first thing I would do is take Shatner and
Nimoy out to dinner and ask them what THEY want to do. They’re not cattle.
They’re talented men who have lived more than half their lives carrying the
mantle of their characters. They are entitled to a voice. Regardless of the
format, however, I think the story would have to be about two old friends coming
together to deal with a new challenge. And it would have to be a challenge of
enormous importance. The story I would tell would be the story of these two
great leaders training a new generation of officers.