I still think this card is bad because of its pricing, while more efficient than the 570 its performance is lacking for the price point that nvidia released, its acceptable to pay vast amounts on the upper bracket due to no real competition from AMD, but in this lower brackets i feel nvidia should be more competitive, this to me is a sign of disrespect to their customers that are loyal to them, this card should be $100 for it to be a good offering, they should consider releasing a Ti version, above the 570, at this price point and then the none ti at $100, and the entry level for gamer on pc, and to me the partners are overdoing the cards with huge coolers for a lower tdp. One last bad thing nvidia did is that this card dont come with the Turing encoder, as all the other gpus, so i would suggest to anyone to at least go toward the GTX1660 or if the budget is too tight, to go for the 570, there are very nice cards now a days with triple fan coolers that should be able to handle quietly the higher tpd card.

Computex will be a very interesting time, with AMD Ryzen 2, but there are rumors that place the NAVI cards also to be released on June, i personally doubt it, i feel AMD will use all the 7nm sillicone on CPUs and get a bigger market share where it can hurt intel, but would be interesting to see if NAVI will be price competitive to these cards, the early rumors insinuate that it wont have any high end, so these are the typical bracket it should compete.

While the RX 570 might be the cheaper card by $25 (apples to apples comparing a STRIX OC to a STRIX OC, etc), if you use it for gaming or other intensive tasks for 3 hours/day, the cost difference is a wash after two years* due to the 100W difference/ power use...and your PC will be quieter due to less heat/slower fans. I won't get into "they should haves". I think the current processes used just aren't as great as expected and Nvidia seems to have thrown a lot of transistors and die area at the problem (compared to the 1050 Ti). The story is this chip isn't fully enabled..so maybe expect to see a Ti version show up when AMD Navi appears or other competitive threat.

In any case, I can't give a recommendation for the RX 570 just because it's a power pig.

Thx. I got through maybe 8 min of it. His perspective is basically: 570 gives more fps and is cheaper, power use doesn't matter except for maybe a small percentage of people. My perspective is: power use matters as it affects heat and noise. So, different viewpoints, different conclusions. <shrugs>. Hopefully, Navi will provide a better fps/W...

Thx. I got through maybe 8 min of it. His perspective is basically: 570 gives more fps and is cheaper, power use doesn't matter except for maybe a small percentage of people. My perspective is: power use matters as it affects heat and noise. So, different viewpoints, different conclusions. <shrugs>. Hopefully, Navi will provide a better fps/W...

Exactly, I feel like SCPR is that small percentage of people. We care about power consumption / heat more than the average user, because we know it generally takes more noise to deal with that heat. Personally, I'm more interested the 1650 for this reason, but I'm not really a gamer and my ryzen 2400g still does what I need it to, so I likely won't buy any GPU (unless I get more into gaming / editing, which could happen).

Undervolting the 1650 might be able to widen that gap again, though probably only by another ~5-15W. Undervolting is definitely worthwhile for those willing to tinker and keep the software running to apply the settings—I saved a good 15% of power draw while making my card quite a bit easier to cool and maintaining good boost clocks

It's not under your control, per se. If a card has a passive fan mode, it's thermally controlled. Let's say you boot up your PC and do some web browsing. It's a light 2D load and the GPU temps stay low. So, the fan stays off. Then, you start up a game, the GPU temp goes above 60C or whatever this card's limit is, and the fans kick on. You quit the game and the GPU temp drops. The hysteresis is how far below 60C the temp has to drop before the fans turn off.

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