Hundreds of boy racers keep Canvey residents awake half the night

HUNDREDS of boy racers returned to Canvey to keep residents awake into the early hours of the morning with their noisy engines and wheel spinning.

It was a loud and miserable night for islanders living in and around Northwick Road, Roscommon Way and Morrisons on Saturday, January 5.

Canvey councillor Ray Howard, was among the many residents kept awake “half the night”.

He said: “This just can’t go on, the amount of complaints I received about the noise was unbelievable.

“There’s been boy racers here in the past, but when you see the volume that turned up, there were hundreds of them.

“It was a frightening experience, they were devils they really were.

“Morrisons car park was full like it was open.”

Mr Howard said DVD footage was compiled on the night by a resident, which will be shown at a meeting of the Castle Point and Thames Gateway Regeneration Partnership on Friday.

Castle Point MP Rebecca Harris will also be showing it to Essex Police and Crime Commissioner Nick Alston when he joins her for a meeting at the House of Commons on Wednesday.

Mr Howard added: “Police were there, but they were outnumbered. They can’t fix it on their own, which is why I want to show the DVD at this meeting.”

An Essex Police spokesman said a number of phone calls were received on the night, but could not confirm exactly how many.

He said: “Police received calls during the evening on Saturday from residents on Canvey who were concerned about the noise from high performance cars in the Roscommon Way area.

“They were driving up and down, revving their engines, wheel spinning and making lots of noise.

“Officers attended and a number of drivers were spoken to and some were reported for motoring offences.

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“Road policing officers are also examining CCTV footage taken at various locations and if we receive similar reports again, extra road policing patrols using marked and unmarked vehicles will be launched.”

Police are urging anyone who has photos, video footage or the registration numbers of offending vehicles to contact Canvey police station on 101.

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If police received calls why was it allowed to continue ? No point counting the calls if nothing was being done about it. Why ask the public for details when they should have gone themselves. If I lived on Canvey i would be more than livid.

If police received calls why was it allowed to continue ? No point counting the calls if nothing was being done about it. Why ask the public for details when they should have gone themselves. If I lived on Canvey i would be more than livid.jolllyboy

If police received calls why was it allowed to continue ? No point counting the calls if nothing was being done about it. Why ask the public for details when they should have gone themselves. If I lived on Canvey i would be more than livid.

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upset says...6:40pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Road policing officers are also examining CCTV footage taken at various locations and if we receive similar reports again, extra road policing patrols using marked and unmarked vehicles will be launched.” WHAT THE fukc is going on with our police? Next thing we will hear is "police will only arrest bank robbers and murders is they commit the offence for a second time" This is ridiculous, there has been vehicle/bike problems for 10 years if not more in the area hence the gate across Northwick Road, shall we put another at the top of waterside? No I have a better idea get the police to do what we pay them for KEEP LAW & ORDER and deal with culprits. Here's another idea lets take tea & sandwiches to the drivers like we did with the yobs who were causing havoc at Thorney Bay a few years back. If the lack of a real police force was not so serious it would be funny..

Road policing officers are also examining CCTV footage taken at various locations and if we receive similar reports again, extra road policing patrols using marked and unmarked vehicles will be launched.”
WHAT THE fukc is going on with our police?
Next thing we will hear is "police will only arrest bank robbers and murders is they commit the offence for a second time"
This is ridiculous, there has been vehicle/bike problems for 10 years if not more in the area hence the gate across Northwick Road, shall we put another at the top of waterside? No I have a better idea get the police to do what we pay them for KEEP LAW & ORDER and deal with culprits.
Here's another idea lets take tea & sandwiches to the drivers like we did with the yobs who were causing havoc at Thorney Bay a few years back.
If the lack of a real police force was not so serious it would be funny..upset

Road policing officers are also examining CCTV footage taken at various locations and if we receive similar reports again, extra road policing patrols using marked and unmarked vehicles will be launched.” WHAT THE fukc is going on with our police? Next thing we will hear is "police will only arrest bank robbers and murders is they commit the offence for a second time" This is ridiculous, there has been vehicle/bike problems for 10 years if not more in the area hence the gate across Northwick Road, shall we put another at the top of waterside? No I have a better idea get the police to do what we pay them for KEEP LAW & ORDER and deal with culprits. Here's another idea lets take tea & sandwiches to the drivers like we did with the yobs who were causing havoc at Thorney Bay a few years back. If the lack of a real police force was not so serious it would be funny..

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Trainman says...6:47pm Wed 9 Jan 13

What does a policeman look like these days? Unless they're dancing for you tube, or they have a tv crew with them, we never see them.

What does a policeman look like these days? Unless they're dancing for you tube, or they have a tv crew with them, we never see them.Trainman

What does a policeman look like these days? Unless they're dancing for you tube, or they have a tv crew with them, we never see them.

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bongking says...9:40pm Wed 9 Jan 13

WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM IN RAYLEIGH. WEBSTERS WAY CAR PARK, HAS BEEN REPORTED TO THE POLICE AND ROCHFORD COUNCIL, NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. WHY DON'T THEY GET OFF THERE BUMS AND AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND START EARNING THERE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM IN RAYLEIGH. WEBSTERS WAY CAR PARK, HAS BEEN REPORTED TO THE POLICE AND ROCHFORD COUNCIL, NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. WHY DON'T THEY GET OFF THERE BUMS AND AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND START EARNING THERE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!bongking

WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM IN RAYLEIGH. WEBSTERS WAY CAR PARK, HAS BEEN REPORTED TO THE POLICE AND ROCHFORD COUNCIL, NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. WHY DON'T THEY GET OFF THERE BUMS AND AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND START EARNING THERE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GentleGiant says...9:53pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Why was Morrison's car park open? Isn't it locked at night - or can't the store be bothered?

Why was Morrison's car park open?
Isn't it locked at night - or can't the store be bothered?GentleGiant

Why was Morrison's car park open? Isn't it locked at night - or can't the store be bothered?

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Sean4u says...9:53pm Wed 9 Jan 13

That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence. Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.

That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence.
Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.Sean4u

That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence. Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.

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0wens man says...10:35pm Wed 9 Jan 13

i sympathise with canvey,we have a similar problem in rayleigh and,its the same offenders, details are passed to the local police,but nothing changes,the noise and speed will result in a fatality on what are side roads,we hear them coming by there faulty exhausts,i just dont understand why the police shirk there responsibilities,why do they shy from confrontation with these law breakers.

i sympathise with canvey,we have a similar problem in rayleigh and,its the same offenders, details are passed to the local police,but nothing changes,the noise and speed will result in a fatality on what are side roads,we hear them coming by there faulty exhausts,i just dont understand why the police shirk there responsibilities,why do they shy from confrontation with these law breakers.0wens man

i sympathise with canvey,we have a similar problem in rayleigh and,its the same offenders, details are passed to the local police,but nothing changes,the noise and speed will result in a fatality on what are side roads,we hear them coming by there faulty exhausts,i just dont understand why the police shirk there responsibilities,why do they shy from confrontation with these law breakers.

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HBroom says...10:40pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Slash their tyres... I am sure the police would arrive soon after.

Slash their tyres... I am sure the police would arrive soon after.HBroom

Slash their tyres... I am sure the police would arrive soon after.

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Steve H says...10:54pm Wed 9 Jan 13

This is Canvey, one road on, one road off. Park a marked traffic car at the bottom of Canvey Way and stop every Boy Racer (they are quite obvious looking vehicles) and tell them the error of their ways.

This is Canvey, one road on, one road off. Park a marked traffic car at the bottom of Canvey Way and stop every Boy Racer (they are quite obvious looking vehicles) and tell them the error of their ways.Steve H

This is Canvey, one road on, one road off. Park a marked traffic car at the bottom of Canvey Way and stop every Boy Racer (they are quite obvious looking vehicles) and tell them the error of their ways.

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canveygirl18 says...12:31am Thu 10 Jan 13

sit in mcdonalds or morrisons car park for a week undercover, and you'll catch them all.

sit in mcdonalds or morrisons car park for a week undercover, and you'll catch them all.canveygirl18

sit in mcdonalds or morrisons car park for a week undercover, and you'll catch them all.

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Brunning999 says...1:42am Thu 10 Jan 13

From hence fourth due to the fact that 100's of outlaws on a regular basis terrorise the local population of the former penal colony known as 'Canvey Island' by means of souped up pathetic little Ford motor vehicles purchased mainly through the former and current Ford employee purchase scheme or purchased from the numerous local and well established Canvey vehicle salvage yards or due to the many much celebrated Canvey shop robberies. The area shall be known as 'KELLY'S ISLAND' in HONOUR of a former enemy of the commonwealth Ned Kelly who like many criminals known to live on Canvey became a local hero. 'God save the queen from Criminal Canveyites' May peace and the former name Canvey Island return to the good of the majority non criminals living on the Island.

From hence fourth due to the fact that 100's of outlaws on a regular basis terrorise the local population of the former penal colony known as 'Canvey Island' by means of souped up pathetic little Ford motor vehicles purchased mainly through the former and current Ford employee purchase scheme or purchased from the numerous local and well established Canvey vehicle salvage yards or due to the many much celebrated Canvey shop robberies.
The area shall be known as 'KELLY'S ISLAND' in HONOUR of a former enemy of the commonwealth Ned Kelly who like many criminals known to live on Canvey became a local hero.
'God save the queen from Criminal Canveyites'
May peace and the former name Canvey Island return to the good of the majority non criminals living on the Island.Brunning999

From hence fourth due to the fact that 100's of outlaws on a regular basis terrorise the local population of the former penal colony known as 'Canvey Island' by means of souped up pathetic little Ford motor vehicles purchased mainly through the former and current Ford employee purchase scheme or purchased from the numerous local and well established Canvey vehicle salvage yards or due to the many much celebrated Canvey shop robberies. The area shall be known as 'KELLY'S ISLAND' in HONOUR of a former enemy of the commonwealth Ned Kelly who like many criminals known to live on Canvey became a local hero. 'God save the queen from Criminal Canveyites' May peace and the former name Canvey Island return to the good of the majority non criminals living on the Island.

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LaurieW says...4:33am Thu 10 Jan 13

Why didn't the Police just lock all the gates to the Car Park, and force them to leave their cars behind.. simples!

Why didn't the Police just lock all the gates to the Car Park, and force them to leave their cars behind.. simples!LaurieW

Why didn't the Police just lock all the gates to the Car Park, and force them to leave their cars behind.. simples!

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howironic says...7:42am Thu 10 Jan 13

Sean4u wrote…

That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence. Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.

And there is the root of the problem, drving on a road unsupervised without a licence is acceptable is it? I phoned 101 with detailed information on 5th January and I was told a PC would contact me the next day, I'm still waiting.

[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote:
That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence. Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.[/p][/quote]And there is the root of the problem, drving on a road unsupervised without a licence is acceptable is it?
I phoned 101 with detailed information on 5th January and I was told a PC would contact me the next day, I'm still waiting.howironic

Sean4u wrote…

That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence. Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.

And there is the root of the problem, drving on a road unsupervised without a licence is acceptable is it? I phoned 101 with detailed information on 5th January and I was told a PC would contact me the next day, I'm still waiting.

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essex_oracle says...7:58am Thu 10 Jan 13

I drove home last Friday evening and caught the tail-end of a convoy. Approx 12-15 sporty cars were travelling towards Canvey, and a police van was at the end. The cars were toying with the police van, speeding off at every junction and leaving it for dead.

I drove home last Friday evening and caught the tail-end of a convoy. Approx 12-15 sporty cars were travelling towards Canvey, and a police van was at the end. The cars were toying with the police van, speeding off at every junction and leaving it for dead.essex_oracle

I drove home last Friday evening and caught the tail-end of a convoy. Approx 12-15 sporty cars were travelling towards Canvey, and a police van was at the end. The cars were toying with the police van, speeding off at every junction and leaving it for dead.

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joeyjojo says...8:54am Thu 10 Jan 13

Tell morrisons to lock the gates when the stores closed and block the round about off too that time of night no one will be using it. Isn't that what they did at Southend seafront to stop them looping round and round!

Tell morrisons to lock the gates when the stores closed and block the round about off too that time of night no one will be using it. Isn't that what they did at Southend seafront to stop them looping round and round!joeyjojo

Tell morrisons to lock the gates when the stores closed and block the round about off too that time of night no one will be using it. Isn't that what they did at Southend seafront to stop them looping round and round!

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hesmrknowitall says...9:23am Thu 10 Jan 13

So to summarise, these 'Devils' were reving their engines and wheelspinning!! Clearly if this doesn't warrant bringing back hanging then what does? By the way councillor, if you can physically count something then the term is 'the number' not 'the amount'. I guess that shows the level of education of our elected representives!

So to summarise, these 'Devils' were reving their engines and wheelspinning!! Clearly if this doesn't warrant bringing back hanging then what does?
By the way councillor, if you can physically count something then the term is 'the number' not 'the amount'. I guess that shows the level of education of our elected representives!hesmrknowitall

So to summarise, these 'Devils' were reving their engines and wheelspinning!! Clearly if this doesn't warrant bringing back hanging then what does? By the way councillor, if you can physically count something then the term is 'the number' not 'the amount'. I guess that shows the level of education of our elected representives!

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iknowbetter says...10:52am Thu 10 Jan 13

I have every sympathy for the residents of that area, the police are powerless purely because unless a driver is found to be breaking the law there is nothing the police can do. F.Y.I Driving a car on a road designed for driving on is not an offence and just because a badly thought out waste of £18 million stretch of tarmac is being used at night and keeping residents awake dosnt mean the police have the power to arrest those using it legally. One begs the question as to why the road is there in the first place, what purpose does it and has it achieved, answers on a post card please. Dont look at blaming an already over stretched police force, look to blame those that decided it was a good idea to waste so much money on a road that serves next to no purpose and is now, as a result, costing the tax payer even more money and causing an already over stretched police force to use up resources watching legal drivers driving on it in the hope of catching one or two motorists breaking the law. ** Not such a good idea now was it Ray but then again its not as if you wasnt warned all those years ago when you and Pam decided it was.. Night night sleep tight Ray..

I have every sympathy for the residents of that area, the police are powerless purely because unless a driver is found to be breaking the law there is nothing the police can do. F.Y.I Driving a car on a road designed for driving on is not an offence and just because a badly thought out waste of £18 million stretch of tarmac is being used at night and keeping residents awake dosnt mean the police have the power to arrest those using it legally.
One begs the question as to why the road is there in the first place, what purpose does it and has it achieved, answers on a post card please. Dont look at blaming an already over stretched police force, look to blame those that decided it was a good idea to waste so much money on a road that serves next to no purpose and is now, as a result, costing the tax payer even more money and causing an already over stretched police force to use up resources watching legal drivers driving on it in the hope of catching one or two motorists breaking the law.
**
Not such a good idea now was it Ray but then again its not as if you wasnt warned all those years ago when you and Pam decided it was.. Night night sleep tight Ray..iknowbetter

I have every sympathy for the residents of that area, the police are powerless purely because unless a driver is found to be breaking the law there is nothing the police can do. F.Y.I Driving a car on a road designed for driving on is not an offence and just because a badly thought out waste of £18 million stretch of tarmac is being used at night and keeping residents awake dosnt mean the police have the power to arrest those using it legally. One begs the question as to why the road is there in the first place, what purpose does it and has it achieved, answers on a post card please. Dont look at blaming an already over stretched police force, look to blame those that decided it was a good idea to waste so much money on a road that serves next to no purpose and is now, as a result, costing the tax payer even more money and causing an already over stretched police force to use up resources watching legal drivers driving on it in the hope of catching one or two motorists breaking the law. ** Not such a good idea now was it Ray but then again its not as if you wasnt warned all those years ago when you and Pam decided it was.. Night night sleep tight Ray..

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iknowbetter says...10:58am Thu 10 Jan 13

P.S That new housing development at Thorney bay is looking more affordable by the day. They might want to stick in triple glazing though to keep the noise out.

P.S That new housing development at Thorney bay is looking more affordable by the day. They might want to stick in triple glazing though to keep the noise out.iknowbetter

P.S That new housing development at Thorney bay is looking more affordable by the day. They might want to stick in triple glazing though to keep the noise out.

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iknowbetter says...11:17am Thu 10 Jan 13

hesmrknowitall wrote…

So to summarise, these 'Devils' were reving their engines and wheelspinning!! Clearly if this doesn't warrant bringing back hanging then what does? By the way councillor, if you can physically count something then the term is 'the number' not 'the amount'. I guess that shows the level of education of our elected representives!

Here here!!!

[quote][p][bold]hesmrknowitall[/bold] wrote:
So to summarise, these 'Devils' were reving their engines and wheelspinning!! Clearly if this doesn't warrant bringing back hanging then what does?
By the way councillor, if you can physically count something then the term is 'the number' not 'the amount'. I guess that shows the level of education of our elected representives![/p][/quote]Here here!!!iknowbetter

hesmrknowitall wrote…

So to summarise, these 'Devils' were reving their engines and wheelspinning!! Clearly if this doesn't warrant bringing back hanging then what does? By the way councillor, if you can physically count something then the term is 'the number' not 'the amount'. I guess that shows the level of education of our elected representives!

Here here!!!

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mark-986 says...11:24am Thu 10 Jan 13

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no moremark-986

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

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hesmrknowitall says...11:30am Thu 10 Jan 13

mark-986 wrote…

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Well not strictly true. There is a certain level of consideration that should be given to others late at night, but I think the issue has been rather over-inflated and the amount if reving and wheelspinning probably exagerated somewhat, but nonetheless, there comes a certain level of noise when a group of cars congregate. I suspect the number of cars was less than 100, but then the Echo has never let the facts get in the way of a story!

[quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote:
sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more[/p][/quote]Well not strictly true. There is a certain level of consideration that should be given to others late at night, but I think the issue has been rather over-inflated and the amount if reving and wheelspinning probably exagerated somewhat, but nonetheless, there comes a certain level of noise when a group of cars congregate. I suspect the number of cars was less than 100, but then the Echo has never let the facts get in the way of a story!hesmrknowitall

mark-986 wrote…

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Well not strictly true. There is a certain level of consideration that should be given to others late at night, but I think the issue has been rather over-inflated and the amount if reving and wheelspinning probably exagerated somewhat, but nonetheless, there comes a certain level of noise when a group of cars congregate. I suspect the number of cars was less than 100, but then the Echo has never let the facts get in the way of a story!

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howironic says...11:32am Thu 10 Jan 13

mark-986 wrote…

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

[quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote:
sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more[/p][/quote]Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.howironic

mark-986 wrote…

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

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nicknows says...11:37am Thu 10 Jan 13

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.
A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.
Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.nicknows

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

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hesmrknowitall says...11:37am Thu 10 Jan 13

howironic wrote…

mark-986 wrote…

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

How can something be 'anti social' if there are hundreds of people there - seems the exact opposite to me :)

[quote][p][bold]howironic[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote:
sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more[/p][/quote]Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.[/p][/quote]How can something be 'anti social' if there are hundreds of people there - seems the exact opposite to me :)hesmrknowitall

howironic wrote…

mark-986 wrote…

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

How can something be 'anti social' if there are hundreds of people there - seems the exact opposite to me :)

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iknowbetter says...12:00pm Thu 10 Jan 13

hesmrknowitall wrote…

howironic wrote…

mark-986 wrote…

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

How can something be 'anti social' if there are hundreds of people there - seems the exact opposite to me :)

Quite right and it wont be long before one or two of these so called "Devils" decide to call the police about the local residents being anti social. :)

[quote][p][bold]hesmrknowitall[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]howironic[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote:
sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more[/p][/quote]Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.[/p][/quote]How can something be 'anti social' if there are hundreds of people there - seems the exact opposite to me :)[/p][/quote]Quite right and it wont be long before one or two of these so called "Devils" decide to call the police about the local residents being anti social. :)iknowbetter

hesmrknowitall wrote…

howironic wrote…

mark-986 wrote…

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

How can something be 'anti social' if there are hundreds of people there - seems the exact opposite to me :)

Quite right and it wont be long before one or two of these so called "Devils" decide to call the police about the local residents being anti social. :)

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upset says...12:08pm Thu 10 Jan 13

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

[quote][p][bold]nicknows[/bold] wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.
A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.
Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.[/p][/quote]No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.upset

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

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hesmrknowitall says...12:23pm Thu 10 Jan 13

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

And unfortunately I'd put money on it that the so called 'boy racer' cars are more likely to be fully legal, than a lot of the datime traffic going on and off the island

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nicknows[/bold] wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.
A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.
Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.[/p][/quote]No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.[/p][/quote]And unfortunately I'd put money on it that the so called 'boy racer' cars are more likely to be fully legal, than a lot of the datime traffic going on and off the islandhesmrknowitall

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

And unfortunately I'd put money on it that the so called 'boy racer' cars are more likely to be fully legal, than a lot of the datime traffic going on and off the island

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hesmrknowitall says...12:23pm Thu 10 Jan 13

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

And unfortunately I'd put money on it that the so called 'boy racer' cars are more likely to be fully legal, than a lot of the datime traffic going on and off the island

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nicknows[/bold] wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.
A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.
Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.[/p][/quote]No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.[/p][/quote]And unfortunately I'd put money on it that the so called 'boy racer' cars are more likely to be fully legal, than a lot of the datime traffic going on and off the islandhesmrknowitall

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

And unfortunately I'd put money on it that the so called 'boy racer' cars are more likely to be fully legal, than a lot of the datime traffic going on and off the island

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runwellian says...12:26pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Building long straight roads invites racers! Put speed humps in and it becomes an obstacle course adding fun to their ride ... What did they expect?

Building long straight roads invites racers!
Put speed humps in and it becomes an obstacle course adding fun to their ride ...
What did they expect?runwellian

Building long straight roads invites racers! Put speed humps in and it becomes an obstacle course adding fun to their ride ... What did they expect?

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iknowbetter says...12:33pm Thu 10 Jan 13

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nicknows[/bold] wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.
A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.
Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.[/p][/quote]No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.[/p][/quote]Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..iknowbetter

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

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nicknows says...12:37pm Thu 10 Jan 13

This would seem to cover the problem well and truely The Police Reform Act 2002 (c.30) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. Section 59 of the Act is a common tool now used by police officers and police community support officers to seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner. Vehicles can be seized if the police officer/PCSO reasonably believes that a mechanically propelled vehicle is being used in a manner:[1] • causing, or likely to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the public, • and: o contravening section 3 (careless/inconsider ate driving), or o contravening section 34 (prohibition of off-road driving/driving other than a road) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. Vehicles should be issued with a warning first, unless this is impracticable.[1] An example of it being impractical would be the offenders leaving the vehicle/making off or the vehicle being unregistered and unable to be traced - therefore a warning unable to be placed. If an officer also believes a warning has been given within the past 12 months, but not recorded on the Police National Computer, they can seize the vehicle immediately. Furthermore, if the officer believes the warning will disregarded or not heeded, they may seize the vehicle immediately.

This would seem to cover the problem well and truely
The Police Reform Act 2002 (c.30) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom.
Section 59 of the Act is a common tool now used by police officers and police community support officers to seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner. Vehicles can be seized if the police officer/PCSO reasonably believes that a mechanically propelled vehicle is being used in a manner:[1]
• causing, or likely to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the public,
• and:
o contravening section 3 (careless/inconsider
ate driving), or
o contravening section 34 (prohibition of off-road driving/driving other than a road) of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
Vehicles should be issued with a warning first, unless this is impracticable.[1] An example of it being impractical would be the offenders leaving the vehicle/making off or the vehicle being unregistered and unable to be traced - therefore a warning unable to be placed. If an officer also believes a warning has been given within the past 12 months, but not recorded on the Police National Computer, they can seize the vehicle immediately. Furthermore, if the officer believes the warning will disregarded or not heeded, they may seize the vehicle immediately.nicknows

This would seem to cover the problem well and truely The Police Reform Act 2002 (c.30) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. Section 59 of the Act is a common tool now used by police officers and police community support officers to seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner. Vehicles can be seized if the police officer/PCSO reasonably believes that a mechanically propelled vehicle is being used in a manner:[1] • causing, or likely to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the public, • and: o contravening section 3 (careless/inconsider ate driving), or o contravening section 34 (prohibition of off-road driving/driving other than a road) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. Vehicles should be issued with a warning first, unless this is impracticable.[1] An example of it being impractical would be the offenders leaving the vehicle/making off or the vehicle being unregistered and unable to be traced - therefore a warning unable to be placed. If an officer also believes a warning has been given within the past 12 months, but not recorded on the Police National Computer, they can seize the vehicle immediately. Furthermore, if the officer believes the warning will disregarded or not heeded, they may seize the vehicle immediately.

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DaveSnake says...12:40pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Haha love the echo's sensationalization. 'hundreds' implies more than 200. Everyone knows there's not that many coppers on the streets anymore, an at that time, there's plenty of more important things to be sorting out anyway, as if the police are going to chase off 'hundreds' of boy racers cos they made a bit of noise and some tired old daily mail readers had a moan. I lived on Canvey for 11 years and annoying teenagers will always be a problem. If these people don't want all this noise, I. can only suggest moving, it's what I did. But I'll never put Canvey down like some of you on here, but you will because you're all better than them aren't you? The evening echo seems to be the local Daily Mail and also seems to have a few readers like comment on this site to make them feel better about how stuck up they are by calling people of Canvey inbread, scum, ect. I'm usually more shocked about the comments people leave more than the content of the actual story.

Haha love the echo's sensationalization. 'hundreds' implies more than 200.
Everyone knows there's not that many coppers on the streets anymore, an at that time, there's plenty of more important things to be sorting out anyway, as if the police are going to chase off 'hundreds' of boy racers cos they made a bit of noise and some tired old daily mail readers had a moan.
I lived on Canvey for 11 years and annoying teenagers will always be a problem. If these people don't want all this noise, I. can only suggest moving, it's what I did. But I'll never put Canvey down like some of you on here, but you will because you're all better than them aren't you?
The evening echo seems to be the local Daily Mail and also seems to have a few readers like comment on this site to make them feel better about how stuck up they are by calling people of Canvey inbread, scum, ect.
I'm usually more shocked about the comments people leave more than the content of the actual story.DaveSnake

Haha love the echo's sensationalization. 'hundreds' implies more than 200. Everyone knows there's not that many coppers on the streets anymore, an at that time, there's plenty of more important things to be sorting out anyway, as if the police are going to chase off 'hundreds' of boy racers cos they made a bit of noise and some tired old daily mail readers had a moan. I lived on Canvey for 11 years and annoying teenagers will always be a problem. If these people don't want all this noise, I. can only suggest moving, it's what I did. But I'll never put Canvey down like some of you on here, but you will because you're all better than them aren't you? The evening echo seems to be the local Daily Mail and also seems to have a few readers like comment on this site to make them feel better about how stuck up they are by calling people of Canvey inbread, scum, ect. I'm usually more shocked about the comments people leave more than the content of the actual story.

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iknowbetter says...12:44pm Thu 10 Jan 13

nicknows wrote…

This would seem to cover the problem well and truely The Police Reform Act 2002 (c.30) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. Section 59 of the Act is a common tool now used by police officers and police community support officers to seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner. Vehicles can be seized if the police officer/PCSO reasonably believes that a mechanically propelled vehicle is being used in a manner:[1] • causing, or likely to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the public, • and: o contravening section 3 (careless/inconsider ate driving), or o contravening section 34 (prohibition of off-road driving/driving other than a road) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. Vehicles should be issued with a warning first, unless this is impracticable.[1] An example of it being impractical would be the offenders leaving the vehicle/making off or the vehicle being unregistered and unable to be traced - therefore a warning unable to be placed. If an officer also believes a warning has been given within the past 12 months, but not recorded on the Police National Computer, they can seize the vehicle immediately. Furthermore, if the officer believes the warning will disregarded or not heeded, they may seize the vehicle immediately.

First of all an act of Parliament is not a law. A police Constable when he makes his oath does not make an oath to uphold acts of Parliament he makes the oath to uphold the law, thats why they are called constables and not officers. There is a marked difference. This ultimately means the Police Constable effectively only has the power to report the breach of an act of Parliament which then means he/she has to prove said act was contravened, not as a Police Constable but as a normal citizen. Lawyers would have a field day with this one.

[quote][p][bold]nicknows[/bold] wrote:
This would seem to cover the problem well and truely
The Police Reform Act 2002 (c.30) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom.
Section 59 of the Act is a common tool now used by police officers and police community support officers to seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner. Vehicles can be seized if the police officer/PCSO reasonably believes that a mechanically propelled vehicle is being used in a manner:[1]
• causing, or likely to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the public,
• and:
o contravening section 3 (careless/inconsider
ate driving), or
o contravening section 34 (prohibition of off-road driving/driving other than a road) of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
Vehicles should be issued with a warning first, unless this is impracticable.[1] An example of it being impractical would be the offenders leaving the vehicle/making off or the vehicle being unregistered and unable to be traced - therefore a warning unable to be placed. If an officer also believes a warning has been given within the past 12 months, but not recorded on the Police National Computer, they can seize the vehicle immediately. Furthermore, if the officer believes the warning will disregarded or not heeded, they may seize the vehicle immediately.[/p][/quote]First of all an act of Parliament is not a law. A police Constable when he makes his oath does not make an oath to uphold acts of Parliament he makes the oath to uphold the law, thats why they are called constables and not officers. There is a marked difference. This ultimately means the Police Constable effectively only has the power to report the breach of an act of Parliament which then means he/she has to prove said act was contravened, not as a Police Constable but as a normal citizen. Lawyers would have a field day with this one.iknowbetter

nicknows wrote…

This would seem to cover the problem well and truely The Police Reform Act 2002 (c.30) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. Section 59 of the Act is a common tool now used by police officers and police community support officers to seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner. Vehicles can be seized if the police officer/PCSO reasonably believes that a mechanically propelled vehicle is being used in a manner:[1] • causing, or likely to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the public, • and: o contravening section 3 (careless/inconsider ate driving), or o contravening section 34 (prohibition of off-road driving/driving other than a road) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. Vehicles should be issued with a warning first, unless this is impracticable.[1] An example of it being impractical would be the offenders leaving the vehicle/making off or the vehicle being unregistered and unable to be traced - therefore a warning unable to be placed. If an officer also believes a warning has been given within the past 12 months, but not recorded on the Police National Computer, they can seize the vehicle immediately. Furthermore, if the officer believes the warning will disregarded or not heeded, they may seize the vehicle immediately.

First of all an act of Parliament is not a law. A police Constable when he makes his oath does not make an oath to uphold acts of Parliament he makes the oath to uphold the law, thats why they are called constables and not officers. There is a marked difference. This ultimately means the Police Constable effectively only has the power to report the breach of an act of Parliament which then means he/she has to prove said act was contravened, not as a Police Constable but as a normal citizen. Lawyers would have a field day with this one.

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upset says...1:12pm Thu 10 Jan 13

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nicknows[/bold] wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.
A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.
Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.[/p][/quote]No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.[/p][/quote]Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..[/p][/quote]Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.upset

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

Score: 0

rjsizzler says...1:19pm Thu 10 Jan 13

What many posters here fail to realise is young car enthusiasts normally maintain their vehicles extremely well (it's their hobby after all), they don't want to scratch their cars so are more likely to be driving with this in mind. The previous poster referred to their 'broken exhausts'; no, they aren't broken, they are noisy sports exhausts. Unnecessary on a Corsa? Probably, but perfectly legal and harmless. Sure, some do drive fast and make noise but try to think of the last time you saw a customised car in an accident; far more likely to see a bad driver in a bog standard Ford Focus! I'm sure I'd be annoyed if they made a noise near where I lived but I'm not sure what people think is illegal about groups of customised cars driving in a convoy or meeting in a closed supermarked car park. I guess they could be out spending their money on drugs rather than tinkering with their motors.

What many posters here fail to realise is young car enthusiasts normally maintain their vehicles extremely well (it's their hobby after all), they don't want to scratch their cars so are more likely to be driving with this in mind. The previous poster referred to their 'broken exhausts'; no, they aren't broken, they are noisy sports exhausts. Unnecessary on a Corsa? Probably, but perfectly legal and harmless.
Sure, some do drive fast and make noise but try to think of the last time you saw a customised car in an accident; far more likely to see a bad driver in a bog standard Ford Focus!
I'm sure I'd be annoyed if they made a noise near where I lived but I'm not sure what people think is illegal about groups of customised cars driving in a convoy or meeting in a closed supermarked car park. I guess they could be out spending their money on drugs rather than tinkering with their motors.rjsizzler

What many posters here fail to realise is young car enthusiasts normally maintain their vehicles extremely well (it's their hobby after all), they don't want to scratch their cars so are more likely to be driving with this in mind. The previous poster referred to their 'broken exhausts'; no, they aren't broken, they are noisy sports exhausts. Unnecessary on a Corsa? Probably, but perfectly legal and harmless. Sure, some do drive fast and make noise but try to think of the last time you saw a customised car in an accident; far more likely to see a bad driver in a bog standard Ford Focus! I'm sure I'd be annoyed if they made a noise near where I lived but I'm not sure what people think is illegal about groups of customised cars driving in a convoy or meeting in a closed supermarked car park. I guess they could be out spending their money on drugs rather than tinkering with their motors.

Score: 2

iknowbetter says...1:21pm Thu 10 Jan 13

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction? Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nicknows[/bold] wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.
A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.
Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.[/p][/quote]No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.[/p][/quote]Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..[/p][/quote]Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.[/p][/quote]If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction?
Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..iknowbetter

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction? Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

Score: 0

iknowbetter says...1:22pm Thu 10 Jan 13

rjsizzler wrote…

What many posters here fail to realise is young car enthusiasts normally maintain their vehicles extremely well (it's their hobby after all), they don't want to scratch their cars so are more likely to be driving with this in mind. The previous poster referred to their 'broken exhausts'; no, they aren't broken, they are noisy sports exhausts. Unnecessary on a Corsa? Probably, but perfectly legal and harmless. Sure, some do drive fast and make noise but try to think of the last time you saw a customised car in an accident; far more likely to see a bad driver in a bog standard Ford Focus! I'm sure I'd be annoyed if they made a noise near where I lived but I'm not sure what people think is illegal about groups of customised cars driving in a convoy or meeting in a closed supermarked car park. I guess they could be out spending their money on drugs rather than tinkering with their motors.

Very well said.. At least someone on here understands what they are talking about..

[quote][p][bold]rjsizzler[/bold] wrote:
What many posters here fail to realise is young car enthusiasts normally maintain their vehicles extremely well (it's their hobby after all), they don't want to scratch their cars so are more likely to be driving with this in mind. The previous poster referred to their 'broken exhausts'; no, they aren't broken, they are noisy sports exhausts. Unnecessary on a Corsa? Probably, but perfectly legal and harmless.
Sure, some do drive fast and make noise but try to think of the last time you saw a customised car in an accident; far more likely to see a bad driver in a bog standard Ford Focus!
I'm sure I'd be annoyed if they made a noise near where I lived but I'm not sure what people think is illegal about groups of customised cars driving in a convoy or meeting in a closed supermarked car park. I guess they could be out spending their money on drugs rather than tinkering with their motors.[/p][/quote]Very well said.. At least someone on here understands what they are talking about..iknowbetter

rjsizzler wrote…

What many posters here fail to realise is young car enthusiasts normally maintain their vehicles extremely well (it's their hobby after all), they don't want to scratch their cars so are more likely to be driving with this in mind. The previous poster referred to their 'broken exhausts'; no, they aren't broken, they are noisy sports exhausts. Unnecessary on a Corsa? Probably, but perfectly legal and harmless. Sure, some do drive fast and make noise but try to think of the last time you saw a customised car in an accident; far more likely to see a bad driver in a bog standard Ford Focus! I'm sure I'd be annoyed if they made a noise near where I lived but I'm not sure what people think is illegal about groups of customised cars driving in a convoy or meeting in a closed supermarked car park. I guess they could be out spending their money on drugs rather than tinkering with their motors.

Very well said.. At least someone on here understands what they are talking about..

Score: 1

iknowbetter says...1:28pm Thu 10 Jan 13

I forgot to say , Upset, its good that you are on the ball as it were, I bet the police must be kicking themselves not to have thought of that one.. It must have been a light bulb moment for the armchair warrior...:)

I forgot to say , Upset, its good that you are on the ball as it were, I bet the police must be kicking themselves not to have thought of that one.. It must have been a light bulb moment for the armchair warrior...:)iknowbetter

I forgot to say , Upset, its good that you are on the ball as it were, I bet the police must be kicking themselves not to have thought of that one.. It must have been a light bulb moment for the armchair warrior...:)

Score: 0

G Man says...2:44pm Thu 10 Jan 13

There is a place, on the continent where an annual time trial, including a couple of sessions of un regulated practise runs, is organised through mountain villages. The event is open to official teams and individual competitors. The mountain roads are shut off to traffic and runs between midnight and upto 6am saturday night. The noise from exhaust, backfires and the screeching of tyres can be heard through the villages and across the valleys. Hardly any events are allowed in the UK due to H and S and moaners. If we were to have occasional events for bikes and cars etc across the County perhaps the disturbances would not focus on one site. Mind you the police would have to attend. Bit of a full circle there then!

There is a place, on the continent where an annual time trial, including a couple of sessions of un regulated practise runs, is organised through mountain villages. The event is open to official teams and individual competitors. The mountain roads are shut off to traffic and runs between midnight and upto 6am saturday night. The noise from exhaust, backfires and the screeching of tyres can be heard through the villages and across the valleys. Hardly any events are allowed in the UK due to H and S and moaners. If we were to have occasional events for bikes and cars etc across the County perhaps the disturbances would not focus on one site. Mind you the police would have to attend. Bit of a full circle there then!G Man

There is a place, on the continent where an annual time trial, including a couple of sessions of un regulated practise runs, is organised through mountain villages. The event is open to official teams and individual competitors. The mountain roads are shut off to traffic and runs between midnight and upto 6am saturday night. The noise from exhaust, backfires and the screeching of tyres can be heard through the villages and across the valleys. Hardly any events are allowed in the UK due to H and S and moaners. If we were to have occasional events for bikes and cars etc across the County perhaps the disturbances would not focus on one site. Mind you the police would have to attend. Bit of a full circle there then!

Score: 0

mark-986 says...3:00pm Thu 10 Jan 13

howironic wrote…

mark-986 wrote…

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

trouble is most people are asleep 7pm on canvey better for them to mess about up there than on busy streets.

[quote][p][bold]howironic[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote:
sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more[/p][/quote]Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.[/p][/quote]trouble is most people are asleep 7pm on canvey better for them to mess about up there than on busy streets.mark-986

howironic wrote…

mark-986 wrote…

sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

trouble is most people are asleep 7pm on canvey better for them to mess about up there than on busy streets.

Score: 0

Carnabackable says...4:31pm Thu 10 Jan 13

All quiet in Rayleigh..........no cars, no planes, just peace,ummmm.

All quiet in Rayleigh..........no cars, no planes, just peace,ummmm.Carnabackable

All quiet in Rayleigh..........no cars, no planes, just peace,ummmm.

Score: 0

iknowbetter says...4:56pm Thu 10 Jan 13

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction? Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!!

[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nicknows[/bold] wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.
A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.
Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.[/p][/quote]No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.[/p][/quote]Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..[/p][/quote]Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.[/p][/quote]If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction?
Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..[/p][/quote]Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!!iknowbetter

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction? Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!!

Score: 0

Eric Whim says...5:06pm Thu 10 Jan 13

[quote]Haha love the echo's sensationalization. 'hundreds' implies more than 200. [/quote] one driving, one in the front passenger seat choosing the banging tunes and two or three in the back skinning up - soon adds up

[quote]Haha love the echo's sensationalization. 'hundreds' implies more than 200.
[/quote]
one driving, one in the front passenger seat choosing the banging tunes and two or three in the back skinning up - soon adds upEric Whim

[quote]Haha love the echo's sensationalization. 'hundreds' implies more than 200. [/quote] one driving, one in the front passenger seat choosing the banging tunes and two or three in the back skinning up - soon adds up

Score: 2

upset says...5:43pm Thu 10 Jan 13

iknowbetter wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction? Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!!

I have a life outside of here, you should try it. My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them. The Echo ask for comments and that's what we all do.

[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nicknows[/bold] wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.
A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.
Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.[/p][/quote]No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.[/p][/quote]Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..[/p][/quote]Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.[/p][/quote]If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction?
Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..[/p][/quote]Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!![/p][/quote]I have a life outside of here, you should try it.
My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them.
The Echo ask for comments and that's what we all do.upset

iknowbetter wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction? Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!!

I have a life outside of here, you should try it. My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them. The Echo ask for comments and that's what we all do.

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iknowbetter says...8:20pm Thu 10 Jan 13

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction? Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!!

I have a life outside of here, you should try it. My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them. The Echo ask for comments and that's what we all do.

All I asked for was for you to back up your claims, instead you decided to attempt to use insults to cover up your lack of knowledge on this particular subject. Having a life is not simply sitting in your armchair pretending to know about things Upset. ;)

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nicknows[/bold] wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.
A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.
Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.[/p][/quote]No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.[/p][/quote]Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..[/p][/quote]Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.[/p][/quote]If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction?
Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..[/p][/quote]Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!![/p][/quote]I have a life outside of here, you should try it.
My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them.
The Echo ask for comments and that's what we all do.[/p][/quote]All I asked for was for you to back up your claims, instead you decided to attempt to use insults to cover up your lack of knowledge on this particular subject.
Having a life is not simply sitting in your armchair pretending to know about things Upset. ;)iknowbetter

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

upset wrote…

nicknows wrote…

As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance. A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc. Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset? Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users. Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction? Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!!

I have a life outside of here, you should try it. My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them. The Echo ask for comments and that's what we all do.

All I asked for was for you to back up your claims, instead you decided to attempt to use insults to cover up your lack of knowledge on this particular subject. Having a life is not simply sitting in your armchair pretending to know about things Upset. ;)

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iknowbetter says...8:22pm Thu 10 Jan 13

So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...iknowbetter

So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

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Sean4u says...10:42pm Thu 10 Jan 13

howironic wrote…

Sean4u wrote…

That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence. Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.

And there is the root of the problem, drving on a road unsupervised without a licence is acceptable is it? I phoned 101 with detailed information on 5th January and I was told a PC would contact me the next day, I'm still waiting.

It was acceptably diverting at the time. If the same activity has been going on for at least 30 years it's hardly likely to be the result of anything that has happened recently, is it? It's Canvey / Castle Point / The Thames Estuary - there's nothing better to do. The police probably prefer wrongdoers driving up and down and shouting a bit to filleting each other outside nightclubs. I have elderly parents still on Canvey who moan about 'yobs' speeding past their front door and "you never see a policeman". My warmest memories of the Island are from the days when only a few families on each street had their own car and rarely moved it. I think the Island should turn itself into a holiday destination without cars and have a 'Canvey Gateway' around the end of the A130 where motor vehicles must stop. The Isles of Man and Wight are popular places to live and visit for not much more reason than that you can't just drive into them and treat them like unloved industrial estates. Canvey is just like an unloved industrial estate, has been for decades. I strongly doubt waving a bigger stick at young people is going to change that.

[quote][p][bold]howironic[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote:
That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence. Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.[/p][/quote]And there is the root of the problem, drving on a road unsupervised without a licence is acceptable is it?
I phoned 101 with detailed information on 5th January and I was told a PC would contact me the next day, I'm still waiting.[/p][/quote]It was acceptably diverting at the time. If the same activity has been going on for at least 30 years it's hardly likely to be the result of anything that has happened recently, is it?
It's Canvey / Castle Point / The Thames Estuary - there's nothing better to do. The police probably prefer wrongdoers driving up and down and shouting a bit to filleting each other outside nightclubs.
I have elderly parents still on Canvey who moan about 'yobs' speeding past their front door and "you never see a policeman". My warmest memories of the Island are from the days when only a few families on each street had their own car and rarely moved it.
I think the Island should turn itself into a holiday destination without cars and have a 'Canvey Gateway' around the end of the A130 where motor vehicles must stop. The Isles of Man and Wight are popular places to live and visit for not much more reason than that you can't just drive into them and treat them like unloved industrial estates.
Canvey is just like an unloved industrial estate, has been for decades. I strongly doubt waving a bigger stick at young people is going to change that.Sean4u

howironic wrote…

Sean4u wrote…

That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence. Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.

And there is the root of the problem, drving on a road unsupervised without a licence is acceptable is it? I phoned 101 with detailed information on 5th January and I was told a PC would contact me the next day, I'm still waiting.

It was acceptably diverting at the time. If the same activity has been going on for at least 30 years it's hardly likely to be the result of anything that has happened recently, is it? It's Canvey / Castle Point / The Thames Estuary - there's nothing better to do. The police probably prefer wrongdoers driving up and down and shouting a bit to filleting each other outside nightclubs. I have elderly parents still on Canvey who moan about 'yobs' speeding past their front door and "you never see a policeman". My warmest memories of the Island are from the days when only a few families on each street had their own car and rarely moved it. I think the Island should turn itself into a holiday destination without cars and have a 'Canvey Gateway' around the end of the A130 where motor vehicles must stop. The Isles of Man and Wight are popular places to live and visit for not much more reason than that you can't just drive into them and treat them like unloved industrial estates. Canvey is just like an unloved industrial estate, has been for decades. I strongly doubt waving a bigger stick at young people is going to change that.

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Brunning999 says...1:47am Fri 11 Jan 13

Reading all these comments confirms my belief that we have far to many 'Ned Kelly' admirers on Canvey than Law Loving folk!! Sorry those that sow the wind reap the whirlwind and its coming soon to Canvey, with less Police Officers, deterrent sentences that are never given, prisons that are closing.

Reading all these comments confirms my belief that we have far to many 'Ned Kelly' admirers on Canvey than Law Loving folk!!
Sorry those that sow the wind reap the whirlwind and its coming soon to Canvey, with less Police Officers, deterrent sentences that are never given, prisons that are closing.Brunning999

Reading all these comments confirms my belief that we have far to many 'Ned Kelly' admirers on Canvey than Law Loving folk!! Sorry those that sow the wind reap the whirlwind and its coming soon to Canvey, with less Police Officers, deterrent sentences that are never given, prisons that are closing.

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upset says...8:50am Fri 11 Jan 13

iknowbetter wrote…

So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments. Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.

[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...[/p][/quote]No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments.
Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.upset

iknowbetter wrote…

So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments. Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.

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upset says...10:19am Fri 11 Jan 13

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments. Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.

Should read self opinionated.

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...[/p][/quote]No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments.
Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.[/p][/quote]Should read self opinionated.upset

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments. Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.

Should read self opinionated.

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upset says...10:22am Fri 11 Jan 13

I'm commenting on this page about the Echo's story about being best paper in East. No opportunity to comment on it, that's speaks volumes to me!!!

I'm commenting on this page about the Echo's story about being best paper in East.
No opportunity to comment on it, that's speaks volumes to me!!!upset

I'm commenting on this page about the Echo's story about being best paper in East. No opportunity to comment on it, that's speaks volumes to me!!!

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iknowbetter says...12:35pm Fri 11 Jan 13

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments. Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.

Upset I merely reacted to you claiming what I said was Rubbish. I can back up what I said but you clearly cannot. You then went on to insinuate I should get a life. My view is, you consistently moan about things you clearly dont have a clue about. I in no way, have attempted to bully you into not posting but you have pretty much self demonstrated that your comments cannot be taken seriously as they are based on pure fiction with no element of fact or understanding. Carry on being an Armchair Warrior, but dont expect people to listen to you or believe a word you have to say because you have said it yourself, they are your thoughts right or wrong and you stick by them, which tells me you are not even up for discussion, its your way or the highway so to speak. As for belittling you, You seem to manage that quite well all on your own..

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...[/p][/quote]No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments.
Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.[/p][/quote]Upset I merely reacted to you claiming what I said was Rubbish.
I can back up what I said but you clearly cannot. You then went on to insinuate I should get a life.
My view is, you consistently moan about things you clearly dont have a clue about. I in no way, have attempted to bully you into not posting but you have pretty much self demonstrated that your comments cannot be taken seriously as they are based on pure fiction with no element of fact or understanding.
Carry on being an Armchair Warrior, but dont expect people to listen to you or believe a word you have to say because you have said it yourself, they are your thoughts right or wrong and you stick by them, which tells me you are not even up for discussion, its your way or the highway so to speak.
As for belittling you, You seem to manage that quite well all on your own..iknowbetter

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments. Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.

Upset I merely reacted to you claiming what I said was Rubbish. I can back up what I said but you clearly cannot. You then went on to insinuate I should get a life. My view is, you consistently moan about things you clearly dont have a clue about. I in no way, have attempted to bully you into not posting but you have pretty much self demonstrated that your comments cannot be taken seriously as they are based on pure fiction with no element of fact or understanding. Carry on being an Armchair Warrior, but dont expect people to listen to you or believe a word you have to say because you have said it yourself, they are your thoughts right or wrong and you stick by them, which tells me you are not even up for discussion, its your way or the highway so to speak. As for belittling you, You seem to manage that quite well all on your own..

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iknowbetter says...1:18pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Quote from Upset:: My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them. *** What was that you said about being "self Opinionated" , can I suggest you look up the term self opinionated.. :0)

Quote from Upset::
My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them.
***
What was that you said about being "self Opinionated" , can I suggest you look up the term self opinionated.. :0)iknowbetter

Quote from Upset:: My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them. *** What was that you said about being "self Opinionated" , can I suggest you look up the term self opinionated.. :0)

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iknowbetter says...2:23pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Brunning999 wrote…

Reading all these comments confirms my belief that we have far to many 'Ned Kelly' admirers on Canvey than Law Loving folk!! Sorry those that sow the wind reap the whirlwind and its coming soon to Canvey, with less Police Officers, deterrent sentences that are never given, prisons that are closing.

I agree with you Brunning but who do we blame, crime is at record levels , police force is down. And we are still being told that the cuts and changes being made to the police force will make it better. I couldnt believe my ears when I heard that to counteract police station closures and to maintain a local police presence Police could be stationed at post offices, I laughed so much I nearly soiled myself.

[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote:
Reading all these comments confirms my belief that we have far to many 'Ned Kelly' admirers on Canvey than Law Loving folk!!
Sorry those that sow the wind reap the whirlwind and its coming soon to Canvey, with less Police Officers, deterrent sentences that are never given, prisons that are closing.[/p][/quote]I agree with you Brunning but who do we blame, crime is at record levels , police force is down. And we are still being told that the cuts and changes being made to the police force will make it better.
I couldnt believe my ears when I heard that to counteract police station closures and to maintain a local police presence Police could be stationed at post offices, I laughed so much I nearly soiled myself.iknowbetter

Brunning999 wrote…

Reading all these comments confirms my belief that we have far to many 'Ned Kelly' admirers on Canvey than Law Loving folk!! Sorry those that sow the wind reap the whirlwind and its coming soon to Canvey, with less Police Officers, deterrent sentences that are never given, prisons that are closing.

I agree with you Brunning but who do we blame, crime is at record levels , police force is down. And we are still being told that the cuts and changes being made to the police force will make it better. I couldnt believe my ears when I heard that to counteract police station closures and to maintain a local police presence Police could be stationed at post offices, I laughed so much I nearly soiled myself.

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iknowbetter says...2:26pm Fri 11 Jan 13

And that proposal came from the people that run this country. What hope do we have..

And that proposal came from the people that run this country. What hope do we have..iknowbetter

And that proposal came from the people that run this country. What hope do we have..

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upset says...3:01pm Fri 11 Jan 13

iknowbetter wrote…

Quote from Upset:: My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them. *** What was that you said about being "self Opinionated" , can I suggest you look up the term self opinionated.. :0)

No I said right or wrong, you are always right that's the difference.

[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
Quote from Upset::
My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them.
***
What was that you said about being "self Opinionated" , can I suggest you look up the term self opinionated.. :0)[/p][/quote]No I said right or wrong, you are always right that's the difference.upset

iknowbetter wrote…

Quote from Upset:: My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them. *** What was that you said about being "self Opinionated" , can I suggest you look up the term self opinionated.. :0)

No I said right or wrong, you are always right that's the difference.

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iknowbetter says...5:37pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Quote from Upset::: you are always right that's the difference.” ** I know!!!

Quote from Upset:::
you are always right that's the difference.”
**
I know!!!iknowbetter

Quote from Upset::: you are always right that's the difference.” ** I know!!!

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upset says...6:16pm Fri 11 Jan 13

iknowbetter wrote…

Quote from Upset::: you are always right that's the difference.” ** I know!!!

I bet you live on your own or your partner wishes you did!!

[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote:
Quote from Upset:::
you are always right that's the difference.”
**
I know!!![/p][/quote]I bet you live on your own or your partner wishes you did!!upset

iknowbetter wrote…

Quote from Upset::: you are always right that's the difference.” ** I know!!!

I bet you live on your own or your partner wishes you did!!

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Biker95 says...6:19pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !Biker95

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

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John T Pharro says...6:41pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Biker95 wrote…

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

[quote][p][bold]Biker95[/bold] wrote:
Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking ![/p][/quote]They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".John T Pharro

Biker95 wrote…

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Score: 0

upset says...6:50pm Fri 11 Jan 13

John T Pharro wrote…

Biker95 wrote…

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Biker95[/bold] wrote:
Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking ![/p][/quote]They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".[/p][/quote]Why do they have to do either?upset

John T Pharro wrote…

Biker95 wrote…

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

Score: 0

John T Pharro says...7:29pm Fri 11 Jan 13

upset wrote…

John T Pharro wrote…

Biker95 wrote…

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

Agreed shouldn't be one or the other either.

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Biker95[/bold] wrote:
Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking ![/p][/quote]They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".[/p][/quote]Why do they have to do either?[/p][/quote]Agreed shouldn't be one or the other either.John T Pharro

upset wrote…

John T Pharro wrote…

Biker95 wrote…

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

Agreed shouldn't be one or the other either.

Score: 0

iknowbetter says...7:51pm Fri 11 Jan 13

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

Quote from Upset::: you are always right that's the difference.” ** I know!!!

I bet you live on your own or your partner wishes you did!!

Would you like to settle the bet via paypal, It would mean you dont have to move from your armchair. :0)

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: Quote from Upset::: you are always right that's the difference.” ** I know!!![/p][/quote]I bet you live on your own or your partner wishes you did!![/p][/quote]Would you like to settle the bet via paypal, It would mean you dont have to move from your armchair. :0)iknowbetter

upset wrote…

iknowbetter wrote…

Quote from Upset::: you are always right that's the difference.” ** I know!!!

I bet you live on your own or your partner wishes you did!!

Would you like to settle the bet via paypal, It would mean you dont have to move from your armchair. :0)

Score: 0

Sean4u says...10:23pm Fri 11 Jan 13

upset wrote…

John T Pharro wrote…

Biker95 wrote…

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

Because there's nothing better to do. "The devil finds work for idle hands" should be at the front of everyone's minds as efficiency of production increases. Unless someone comes up with some occupational therapy for our increasing numbers of unproductive consumers, ever increasing hellraising and moaning are the future.

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Biker95[/bold] wrote:
Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking ![/p][/quote]They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".[/p][/quote]Why do they have to do either?[/p][/quote]Because there's nothing better to do. "The devil finds work for idle hands" should be at the front of everyone's minds as efficiency of production increases. Unless someone comes up with some occupational therapy for our increasing numbers of unproductive consumers, ever increasing hellraising and moaning are the future.Sean4u

upset wrote…

John T Pharro wrote…

Biker95 wrote…

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

Because there's nothing better to do. "The devil finds work for idle hands" should be at the front of everyone's minds as efficiency of production increases. Unless someone comes up with some occupational therapy for our increasing numbers of unproductive consumers, ever increasing hellraising and moaning are the future.

Score: 0

Eric Whim says...1:37pm Sat 12 Jan 13

upset wrote…

I'm commenting on this page about the Echo's story about being best paper in East. No opportunity to comment on it, that's speaks volumes to me!!!

doesn't say much for other newspapers in the East

[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
I'm commenting on this page about the Echo's story about being best paper in East.
No opportunity to comment on it, that's speaks volumes to me!!![/p][/quote]doesn't say much for other newspapers in the EastEric Whim

upset wrote…

I'm commenting on this page about the Echo's story about being best paper in East. No opportunity to comment on it, that's speaks volumes to me!!!

doesn't say much for other newspapers in the East

Score: 0

John T Pharro says...2:31pm Sat 12 Jan 13

Sean4u wrote…

upset wrote…

John T Pharro wrote…

Biker95 wrote…

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

Because there's nothing better to do. "The devil finds work for idle hands" should be at the front of everyone's minds as efficiency of production increases. Unless someone comes up with some occupational therapy for our increasing numbers of unproductive consumers, ever increasing hellraising and moaning are the future.

Nothing to do? Why don't they try doing some charity work or join a sports club. They are hardly short of money are they if they can afford these cars and insure them which must cost thousands. Or are you saying they do all this on benefits because their "idle hands" have no work?

[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Biker95[/bold] wrote:
Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking ![/p][/quote]They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".[/p][/quote]Why do they have to do either?[/p][/quote]Because there's nothing better to do. "The devil finds work for idle hands" should be at the front of everyone's minds as efficiency of production increases. Unless someone comes up with some occupational therapy for our increasing numbers of unproductive consumers, ever increasing hellraising and moaning are the future.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do? Why don't they try doing some charity work or join a sports club. They are hardly short of money are they if they can afford these cars and insure them which must cost thousands. Or are you saying they do all this on benefits because their "idle hands" have no work?John T Pharro

Sean4u wrote…

upset wrote…

John T Pharro wrote…

Biker95 wrote…

Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

Because there's nothing better to do. "The devil finds work for idle hands" should be at the front of everyone's minds as efficiency of production increases. Unless someone comes up with some occupational therapy for our increasing numbers of unproductive consumers, ever increasing hellraising and moaning are the future.

Nothing to do? Why don't they try doing some charity work or join a sports club. They are hardly short of money are they if they can afford these cars and insure them which must cost thousands. Or are you saying they do all this on benefits because their "idle hands" have no work?

Score: 0

Essex Medja says...3:53pm Sat 12 Jan 13

"Because there's nothing better to do." Join the cadets. Be a special constable Learn car mechanics Go to evening classes Study for a qualifcation Build a boat Take up sports Do charity work learn a musical instrument Start a band learn to fly a plane learn to swim take up diving play snooker learn to act Go to evening classes Join an amateur dramatics group go to track days at a race track etc etc etc . No its seems to be more fun just driving aimless around.

"Because there's nothing better to do."
Join the cadets.
Be a special constable
Learn car mechanics
Go to evening classes
Study for a qualifcation
Build a boat
Take up sports
Do charity work
learn a musical instrument
Start a band
learn to fly a plane
learn to swim
take up diving
play snooker
learn to act
Go to evening classes
Join an amateur dramatics group
go to track days at a race track
etc
etc
etc
.
No its seems to be more fun just driving aimless around.Essex Medja

"Because there's nothing better to do." Join the cadets. Be a special constable Learn car mechanics Go to evening classes Study for a qualifcation Build a boat Take up sports Do charity work learn a musical instrument Start a band learn to fly a plane learn to swim take up diving play snooker learn to act Go to evening classes Join an amateur dramatics group go to track days at a race track etc etc etc . No its seems to be more fun just driving aimless around.

Score: -1

Sean4u says...10:02pm Sat 12 Jan 13

That's the list of "better things to do" in your comment box. Do you think they heard it? They see TV. They see their neighbours. They see reprehensible behaviour by our so-called 'leaders' (they must be leaders if they're being followed). They see the empty pursuit of belongings as a means of demonstrating success. How many people do you think *they* interact with in their day to day lives who signal that the way to self-fulfilment is study, charity, art and sport? They live near Canvey Island. Of all the role models they experience in their environment, what proportion of them are studious, artistic, dedicated, selfless philanthropists?

That's the list of "better things to do" in your comment box. Do you think they heard it? They see TV. They see their neighbours. They see reprehensible behaviour by our so-called 'leaders' (they must be leaders if they're being followed). They see the empty pursuit of belongings as a means of demonstrating success.
How many people do you think *they* interact with in their day to day lives who signal that the way to self-fulfilment is study, charity, art and sport? They live near Canvey Island. Of all the role models they experience in their environment, what proportion of them are studious, artistic, dedicated, selfless philanthropists?Sean4u

That's the list of "better things to do" in your comment box. Do you think they heard it? They see TV. They see their neighbours. They see reprehensible behaviour by our so-called 'leaders' (they must be leaders if they're being followed). They see the empty pursuit of belongings as a means of demonstrating success. How many people do you think *they* interact with in their day to day lives who signal that the way to self-fulfilment is study, charity, art and sport? They live near Canvey Island. Of all the role models they experience in their environment, what proportion of them are studious, artistic, dedicated, selfless philanthropists?

Score: 1

Essex Medja says...7:29am Sun 13 Jan 13

Sean4u says.. . Ever hear of a band called Dr Feelgood, they made something of themselves .

Sean4u says..
.
Ever hear of a band called Dr Feelgood, they made something of themselves .Essex Medja

Sean4u says.. . Ever hear of a band called Dr Feelgood, they made something of themselves .

Score: 0

John T Pharro says...12:29pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Sean4u wrote…

That's the list of "better things to do" in your comment box. Do you think they heard it? They see TV. They see their neighbours. They see reprehensible behaviour by our so-called 'leaders' (they must be leaders if they're being followed). They see the empty pursuit of belongings as a means of demonstrating success. How many people do you think *they* interact with in their day to day lives who signal that the way to self-fulfilment is study, charity, art and sport? They live near Canvey Island. Of all the role models they experience in their environment, what proportion of them are studious, artistic, dedicated, selfless philanthropists?

I would think none of them, but what has living close to Canvey Island got anything to do with it? How far away do you think they came? It was you that said there was nothing better for them to do, but clearly there is, but obviously they just don't want to do anything else but cause havoc. What sort of role models do you think they make? Stop blaming what they have seen for their unacceptable behaviour. Finally I assume your not like them, so how come? Who,was your role model?

[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote:
That's the list of "better things to do" in your comment box. Do you think they heard it? They see TV. They see their neighbours. They see reprehensible behaviour by our so-called 'leaders' (they must be leaders if they're being followed). They see the empty pursuit of belongings as a means of demonstrating success.
How many people do you think *they* interact with in their day to day lives who signal that the way to self-fulfilment is study, charity, art and sport? They live near Canvey Island. Of all the role models they experience in their environment, what proportion of them are studious, artistic, dedicated, selfless philanthropists?[/p][/quote]I would think none of them, but what has living close to Canvey Island got anything to do with it? How far away do you think they came? It was you that said there was nothing better for them to do, but clearly there is, but obviously they just don't want to do anything else but cause havoc. What sort of role models do you think they make? Stop blaming what they have seen for their unacceptable behaviour. Finally I assume your not like them, so how come? Who,was your role model?John T Pharro

Sean4u wrote…

That's the list of "better things to do" in your comment box. Do you think they heard it? They see TV. They see their neighbours. They see reprehensible behaviour by our so-called 'leaders' (they must be leaders if they're being followed). They see the empty pursuit of belongings as a means of demonstrating success. How many people do you think *they* interact with in their day to day lives who signal that the way to self-fulfilment is study, charity, art and sport? They live near Canvey Island. Of all the role models they experience in their environment, what proportion of them are studious, artistic, dedicated, selfless philanthropists?

I would think none of them, but what has living close to Canvey Island got anything to do with it? How far away do you think they came? It was you that said there was nothing better for them to do, but clearly there is, but obviously they just don't want to do anything else but cause havoc. What sort of role models do you think they make? Stop blaming what they have seen for their unacceptable behaviour. Finally I assume your not like them, so how come? Who,was your role model?

Score: 0

iknowbetter says...5:31pm Sun 13 Jan 13

Essex Medja wrote…

Sean4u says.. . Ever hear of a band called Dr Feelgood, they made something of themselves .

I see them as my role model, the only difference being is I bypassed the milk and went straight on to the alcohol. Also Dean Macey, I can run like the clappers now when chased by plod. And shotput a a brick through a window.. Only kidding...:)

[quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote:
Sean4u says.. . Ever hear of a band called Dr Feelgood, they made something of themselves .[/p][/quote]I see them as my role model, the only difference being is I bypassed the milk and went straight on to the alcohol. Also Dean Macey, I can run like the clappers now when chased by plod. And shotput a a brick through a window..
Only kidding...:)iknowbetter

Essex Medja wrote…

Sean4u says.. . Ever hear of a band called Dr Feelgood, they made something of themselves .

I see them as my role model, the only difference being is I bypassed the milk and went straight on to the alcohol. Also Dean Macey, I can run like the clappers now when chased by plod. And shotput a a brick through a window.. Only kidding...:)

Score: 0

DogsMessInLeigh says...10:40pm Sun 13 Jan 13

by all accounts they left some mighty big skid marks.

by all accounts they left some mighty big skid marks.DogsMessInLeigh

by all accounts they left some mighty big skid marks.

Score: 0

Sean4u says...10:38am Mon 14 Jan 13

@JohnTPharro - my point is that some of us were there 30 years ago doing the same thing, so the answer to your question "are they good role models?" is obviously "no but they are visible peers / elders on whom younger people will model their own behaviour". If "what they have seen" can't effect a young person's development, we wouldn't send them to school! I've done all right - I'm not very old but already consider my life to have been a good run. I've had some lucky breaks: joining Scouts and being a Venture Scout in an active and enthusiastic Unit meant I travelled around the UK extensively as a teenager. The thing that completely changed my life was following a girlfriend who moved from Castle Point to the other end of the country when I was barely out of my teens. That relationship didn't last very long, but it was long enough to give me a taste for independence. Hardly a tale of personal initiative, is it? I've met role models along the way, still do. These days some of them are younger than me! It's not just role models people need, it's the incentive to go out and encounter prospective role models. 'Going out' in some places is more conducive to positive encounters than it is in others. 'Going out' around Castle Point has increasingly meant 'get in the car' which I believe is an effective barrier to positive new experiences - regardless of whether it's a noise, exhaust and health nuisance.

@JohnTPharro - my point is that some of us were there 30 years ago doing the same thing, so the answer to your question "are they good role models?" is obviously "no but they are visible peers / elders on whom younger people will model their own behaviour".
If "what they have seen" can't effect a young person's development, we wouldn't send them to school! I've done all right - I'm not very old but already consider my life to have been a good run. I've had some lucky breaks: joining Scouts and being a Venture Scout in an active and enthusiastic Unit meant I travelled around the UK extensively as a teenager.
The thing that completely changed my life was following a girlfriend who moved from Castle Point to the other end of the country when I was barely out of my teens. That relationship didn't last very long, but it was long enough to give me a taste for independence. Hardly a tale of personal initiative, is it?
I've met role models along the way, still do. These days some of them are younger than me! It's not just role models people need, it's the incentive to go out and encounter prospective role models. 'Going out' in some places is more conducive to positive encounters than it is in others. 'Going out' around Castle Point has increasingly meant 'get in the car' which I believe is an effective barrier to positive new experiences - regardless of whether it's a noise, exhaust and health nuisance.Sean4u

@JohnTPharro - my point is that some of us were there 30 years ago doing the same thing, so the answer to your question "are they good role models?" is obviously "no but they are visible peers / elders on whom younger people will model their own behaviour". If "what they have seen" can't effect a young person's development, we wouldn't send them to school! I've done all right - I'm not very old but already consider my life to have been a good run. I've had some lucky breaks: joining Scouts and being a Venture Scout in an active and enthusiastic Unit meant I travelled around the UK extensively as a teenager. The thing that completely changed my life was following a girlfriend who moved from Castle Point to the other end of the country when I was barely out of my teens. That relationship didn't last very long, but it was long enough to give me a taste for independence. Hardly a tale of personal initiative, is it? I've met role models along the way, still do. These days some of them are younger than me! It's not just role models people need, it's the incentive to go out and encounter prospective role models. 'Going out' in some places is more conducive to positive encounters than it is in others. 'Going out' around Castle Point has increasingly meant 'get in the car' which I believe is an effective barrier to positive new experiences - regardless of whether it's a noise, exhaust and health nuisance.

Score: 0

John T Pharro says...1:10pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Sean4u wrote…

@JohnTPharro - my point is that some of us were there 30 years ago doing the same thing, so the answer to your question "are they good role models?" is obviously "no but they are visible peers / elders on whom younger people will model their own behaviour". If "what they have seen" can't effect a young person's development, we wouldn't send them to school! I've done all right - I'm not very old but already consider my life to have been a good run. I've had some lucky breaks: joining Scouts and being a Venture Scout in an active and enthusiastic Unit meant I travelled around the UK extensively as a teenager. The thing that completely changed my life was following a girlfriend who moved from Castle Point to the other end of the country when I was barely out of my teens. That relationship didn't last very long, but it was long enough to give me a taste for independence. Hardly a tale of personal initiative, is it? I've met role models along the way, still do. These days some of them are younger than me! It's not just role models people need, it's the incentive to go out and encounter prospective role models. 'Going out' in some places is more conducive to positive encounters than it is in others. 'Going out' around Castle Point has increasingly meant 'get in the car' which I believe is an effective barrier to positive new experiences - regardless of whether it's a noise, exhaust and health nuisance.

I have to say I am confused. First of all you said they had nothing to do and it was role models as if there were no good examples. However, you now say you responded to good role models. What you have in life is choices. Whereas there are peer pressures, bad influences, poor education sometimes and all manner of things there are also good influences. It is up to which you choose isn't it? It has always been that way.

[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote:
@JohnTPharro - my point is that some of us were there 30 years ago doing the same thing, so the answer to your question "are they good role models?" is obviously "no but they are visible peers / elders on whom younger people will model their own behaviour".
If "what they have seen" can't effect a young person's development, we wouldn't send them to school! I've done all right - I'm not very old but already consider my life to have been a good run. I've had some lucky breaks: joining Scouts and being a Venture Scout in an active and enthusiastic Unit meant I travelled around the UK extensively as a teenager.
The thing that completely changed my life was following a girlfriend who moved from Castle Point to the other end of the country when I was barely out of my teens. That relationship didn't last very long, but it was long enough to give me a taste for independence. Hardly a tale of personal initiative, is it?
I've met role models along the way, still do. These days some of them are younger than me! It's not just role models people need, it's the incentive to go out and encounter prospective role models. 'Going out' in some places is more conducive to positive encounters than it is in others. 'Going out' around Castle Point has increasingly meant 'get in the car' which I believe is an effective barrier to positive new experiences - regardless of whether it's a noise, exhaust and health nuisance.[/p][/quote]I have to say I am confused. First of all you said they had nothing to do and it was role models as if there were no good examples. However, you now say you responded to good role models.
What you have in life is choices. Whereas there are peer pressures, bad influences, poor education sometimes and all manner of things there are also good influences. It is up to which you choose isn't it? It has always been that way.John T Pharro

Sean4u wrote…

@JohnTPharro - my point is that some of us were there 30 years ago doing the same thing, so the answer to your question "are they good role models?" is obviously "no but they are visible peers / elders on whom younger people will model their own behaviour". If "what they have seen" can't effect a young person's development, we wouldn't send them to school! I've done all right - I'm not very old but already consider my life to have been a good run. I've had some lucky breaks: joining Scouts and being a Venture Scout in an active and enthusiastic Unit meant I travelled around the UK extensively as a teenager. The thing that completely changed my life was following a girlfriend who moved from Castle Point to the other end of the country when I was barely out of my teens. That relationship didn't last very long, but it was long enough to give me a taste for independence. Hardly a tale of personal initiative, is it? I've met role models along the way, still do. These days some of them are younger than me! It's not just role models people need, it's the incentive to go out and encounter prospective role models. 'Going out' in some places is more conducive to positive encounters than it is in others. 'Going out' around Castle Point has increasingly meant 'get in the car' which I believe is an effective barrier to positive new experiences - regardless of whether it's a noise, exhaust and health nuisance.

I have to say I am confused. First of all you said they had nothing to do and it was role models as if there were no good examples. However, you now say you responded to good role models. What you have in life is choices. Whereas there are peer pressures, bad influences, poor education sometimes and all manner of things there are also good influences. It is up to which you choose isn't it? It has always been that way.

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Sean4u says...2:37pm Mon 14 Jan 13

John - apart from one or two Scout leaders and an odd friend or two, I met my role models elsewhere when I left Canvey 'by accident'. "It has always been that way" - 30 years ago I was a yob racing cars late at night on Northwick Road because I didn't know there was anything better to do. The existence of choice at that time could not have been inferred from the lives of my neighbours. I often visit the Island and - to my eyes - choice is not more apparent now than it was then. You won't catch me supporting lax policing of our laws, nor less strict traffic laws - but I am pretty sure that wheeling out Canvey's Top Cop on a couple of weekends won't do anything to solve the underlying problem of apparent lack of alternative adventure.

John - apart from one or two Scout leaders and an odd friend or two, I met my role models elsewhere when I left Canvey 'by accident'.
"It has always been that way" - 30 years ago I was a yob racing cars late at night on Northwick Road because I didn't know there was anything better to do. The existence of choice at that time could not have been inferred from the lives of my neighbours. I often visit the Island and - to my eyes - choice is not more apparent now than it was then.
You won't catch me supporting lax policing of our laws, nor less strict traffic laws - but I am pretty sure that wheeling out Canvey's Top Cop on a couple of weekends won't do anything to solve the underlying problem of apparent lack of alternative adventure.Sean4u

John - apart from one or two Scout leaders and an odd friend or two, I met my role models elsewhere when I left Canvey 'by accident'. "It has always been that way" - 30 years ago I was a yob racing cars late at night on Northwick Road because I didn't know there was anything better to do. The existence of choice at that time could not have been inferred from the lives of my neighbours. I often visit the Island and - to my eyes - choice is not more apparent now than it was then. You won't catch me supporting lax policing of our laws, nor less strict traffic laws - but I am pretty sure that wheeling out Canvey's Top Cop on a couple of weekends won't do anything to solve the underlying problem of apparent lack of alternative adventure.

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Essex Medja says...3:40pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Sean4u says"... the underlying problem of apparent lack of alternative adventure" . So what you are saying is that unless there is an advert on TV which points out the many hundreds of alternative and life enriching activities that exist but are not apparent to them these people will carry on regardless. . As I am losing the will to live over this, just print out a list and nail it to their windscreens with a hammer!!!

Sean4u says"... the underlying problem of apparent lack of alternative adventure"
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So what you are saying is that unless there is an advert on TV which points out the many hundreds of alternative and life enriching activities that exist but are not apparent to them these people will carry on regardless.
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As I am losing the will to live over this, just print out a list and nail it to their windscreens with a hammer!!!Essex Medja

Sean4u says"... the underlying problem of apparent lack of alternative adventure" . So what you are saying is that unless there is an advert on TV which points out the many hundreds of alternative and life enriching activities that exist but are not apparent to them these people will carry on regardless. . As I am losing the will to live over this, just print out a list and nail it to their windscreens with a hammer!!!

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Sean4u says...8:43pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Essex Medja wrote…

Sean4u says"... the underlying problem of apparent lack of alternative adventure" . So what you are saying is that unless there is an advert on TV which points out the many hundreds of alternative and life enriching activities that exist but are not apparent to them these people will carry on regardless. . As I am losing the will to live over this, just print out a list and nail it to their windscreens with a hammer!!!

I imagine discussing this clamly is easier if you're getting a good night's sleep! Wrongdoers doing that kind of wrong in that location at that time of night is a (at least) 30 year issue. Spending more on the road seems wrong. Bringing about cultural change is optimistic possibly past fantasy. A couple of police swoops might be as good as it's going to get. Even 'Neighboorhood Watch' means you miss some sleep.

[quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote:
Sean4u says"... the underlying problem of apparent lack of alternative adventure"
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So what you are saying is that unless there is an advert on TV which points out the many hundreds of alternative and life enriching activities that exist but are not apparent to them these people will carry on regardless.
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As I am losing the will to live over this, just print out a list and nail it to their windscreens with a hammer!!![/p][/quote]I imagine discussing this clamly is easier if you're getting a good night's sleep! Wrongdoers doing that kind of wrong in that location at that time of night is a (at least) 30 year issue. Spending more on the road seems wrong. Bringing about cultural change is optimistic possibly past fantasy. A couple of police swoops might be as good as it's going to get. Even 'Neighboorhood Watch' means you miss some sleep.Sean4u

Essex Medja wrote…

Sean4u says"... the underlying problem of apparent lack of alternative adventure" . So what you are saying is that unless there is an advert on TV which points out the many hundreds of alternative and life enriching activities that exist but are not apparent to them these people will carry on regardless. . As I am losing the will to live over this, just print out a list and nail it to their windscreens with a hammer!!!

I imagine discussing this clamly is easier if you're getting a good night's sleep! Wrongdoers doing that kind of wrong in that location at that time of night is a (at least) 30 year issue. Spending more on the road seems wrong. Bringing about cultural change is optimistic possibly past fantasy. A couple of police swoops might be as good as it's going to get. Even 'Neighboorhood Watch' means you miss some sleep.

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