The Red Pill

A Feminist's Journey Into the Men's Rights Movement

When feminist filmmaker Cassie Jaye sets out to document the mysterious and polarizing world of the Men's Rights Movement, she begins to question her own beliefs. Jaye had only heard about the Men's Rights Movement as being a misogynist hate-group aiming to turn back the clock on women's rights, but when she spends a year filming the leaders and followers within the movement, she learns the various ways men are disadvantaged and discriminated against.

THE RED PILL challenges the audience to pull back the veil, question societal norms, and expose themselves to an alternate perspective on gender equality, power and privilege.

Comments (54)

Danielle

SUNY College - Cortland•2 weeks ago

Makes some very valid and interesting points, but overall quite disappointing - very selective and one-sided in the presentation of the issues. I like what a self-proclaimed feminist man says early in the movie: everyone suffers, but suffering is not the same as oppression. Of course there ...Read more

Makes some very valid and interesting points, but overall quite disappointing - very selective and one-sided in the presentation of the issues. I like what a self-proclaimed feminist man says early in the movie: everyone suffers, but suffering is not the same as oppression. Of course there are men who have been treated unfairly by family court, of course there are men who have been tricked into raising a child who is not theirs biologically. HOWEVER, if the filmmaker had bothered to share some sad stories from women who have been abandoned by their partners, treated poorly by the courts, tricked by men, etc, you could show that there is suffering and unfairness on both sides.

The film provides NO CONTEXT for the current situation and status of the sexes. The services for women, the protests for women, come from women who have fought for DECADES for attention and for care. Do you know what the #1 cause of death for pregnant women in America is RIGHT NOW? Murder by their partners. If you don't think men are predators, watch The Hunting Ground. Men do oppress women - read about Gamergate. Highly qualified women are regularly driven from jobs in tech by vicious harassment, it’s been well documented. And if the media ignores the boys killed by Boko Haram, why is that women's fault??? The media is not controlled by women. Women fight for women, men should fight for men.

She starts out the movie talking about the misogyny that she read on the "men's rights" websites, but she never mentions it again. The film starts with statistics about the predominance of men in our society, such as 98% of the Fortune 1000 companies having a male CEO, but never returns to discuss the implications of this after the filmmaker has supposedly awoken from her feminist "brainwashing." Unfortunately, the legitimate arguments of the oh-so-reasonable leaders she interviews are DROWNED by the tidal wave of hatred that the movement followers exhibit toward women, which is barely mentioned. Not addressing the continued dominance of men in so many areas of society and the continued very real victimization of women makes the film much less credible. You could produce a really powerful film that makes the case for men but still respects what women have faced and what they have fought for and what they have overcome and what they still deal with, but she has not made that film.

Really disappointed with this film. It is ONLY looked at from a middle class white American perspective. I realise the filmaker is part of this perspective, but couldn't she have looked at the MRM worldwide? So sick of Yank Documentaries. FFS!

Chase

Kanopy Staff•2 months ago

The infamous status of this documentary is not surprising. Indeed a worthy topic of examination, Jaye provides a biased but polished look into the strange world of Men's Rights Activism.

After sitting with this for a few days, I am left surprised by how these men have replicated the ...Read more

The infamous status of this documentary is not surprising. Indeed a worthy topic of examination, Jaye provides a biased but polished look into the strange world of Men's Rights Activism.

After sitting with this for a few days, I am left surprised by how these men have replicated the liberal feminist thesis for their own agenda-- an oppressive feminist regime is substituted for the patriarchy. It's as if these men and women have completely turned their backs on one another to shout the same complaints into the void: the justice system, healthcare, worker's rights, the nuclear family. The unexamined issue uniting these camps is that of economics and yet both parties are so wed to a narcissistic identity politic they fail to realize the root of everyone's collective despair and precarity: capitalism. Sure, economic disenfranchisement wields identity to unfairly target, marginalize, and oppress certain populations. Are white men one of them? Jaye might have you believe so. But I wonder if these men have only begun to feel a modicum of the crippling alienation endemic to the economic system which they built?

This is a must see. It deserves a much higher rating. Its rating is rather low because it makes the viewer to go out of the taken-for-granted comfort zone. Yes, it is much easier to denounce a documentary than going out of your comfort zone.

TS

Brooklyn Public Library•3 months ago

Ethically bankrupt. It was funded in part by Men's Rights Activists, the group she is investigating.

VinceProfessor

Cornell University•5 months ago

Movies are not the right places to learn important things. If you really want to know what is wrong with modern feminism, as opposed to the traditional one, read a book by Warren Farrell. The Myth of Male Power is a good one. Why Men Are the Way They Are is a Classic. If you have to read a ...Read more

Movies are not the right places to learn important things. If you really want to know what is wrong with modern feminism, as opposed to the traditional one, read a book by Warren Farrell. The Myth of Male Power is a good one. Why Men Are the Way They Are is a Classic. If you have to read a book by a female writer, since you think men are the enemy, then read one by Camille Paglia, to see how feminism changed over the past 40 years, and for the worse. Free Women Free Men is a good one.

"Movies are not the right place to learn important things."
LOL what a jokester

Seriously though, why we gotta discriminate between different mediums? Even games can be documentaries. Ain't no difference between a documentary and any written nonfiction work.

Stephanie

Eastern Regional Libraries•7 months ago

i got 2/3's of the way through the doco and couldn't watch any more.
the doco is so poorly researched and seriously fudges statistics. completely missing the important fact that domestic violence is about power and control. the following in a useful critique of the claims made in this ...Read more

i got 2/3's of the way through the doco and couldn't watch any more.
the doco is so poorly researched and seriously fudges statistics. completely missing the important fact that domestic violence is about power and control. the following in a useful critique of the claims made in this doco and the MRA claims. http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/challenging-the-mra-claim-of...

A great documentary that shows the other side of the coin. Equality between the sexes is complex and this documentary highlights it thoughtfully, looking at it from the perspective of men. A forgotten story that is timely and needs telling in a world of polarizing ideologies. Watching ...Read more

A great documentary that shows the other side of the coin. Equality between the sexes is complex and this documentary highlights it thoughtfully, looking at it from the perspective of men. A forgotten story that is timely and needs telling in a world of polarizing ideologies. Watching Cassie Jaye's transition away from feminism was itself as interesting as the topic of the documentary. Highly recommended!

This is such a bad Documentary! It's so poorly researched! I really don't recommend it. I think Cassie Jaye should be profoundly embaressed by her skimming of the surface of gender inequality and having the nerve to present it. WHO FUNDED THIS GARBAGE? Seriously upsetting to watch. Also ...Read more

This is such a bad Documentary! It's so poorly researched! I really don't recommend it. I think Cassie Jaye should be profoundly embaressed by her skimming of the surface of gender inequality and having the nerve to present it. WHO FUNDED THIS GARBAGE? Seriously upsetting to watch. Also terrible MUSIC choices lol - an aside but GAH so bad. I had to watch it to the end to give it a chance but it sincerely disappointed me. I would be much more willing to see the other side of the situation if more research had been conducted and a broader range of individuals interviewed. My critique is mostly of how lazy this doc is.

It was funded in part by Men's Rights Activists, the very people she was supposed to be investigating. Which explains a lot.

R

Austin Community College•8 months ago

Really enjoyed the content, the organization, the dialects, and the director's honesty with herself. These men are finding themselves in the same position as religious communities, the decent ones are getting lumped in with the radical ones.

Maddie

University of Wisconsin Milwaukee•8 months ago

The problem with this is that feminism aims to change the way that society is structured via gender roles to solve both women's issues and men's issues. Men commit suicide more often because they feel they can't express themselves to others because women are seen as emotional and being like ...Read more

The problem with this is that feminism aims to change the way that society is structured via gender roles to solve both women's issues and men's issues. Men commit suicide more often because they feel they can't express themselves to others because women are seen as emotional and being like a woman is seen as bad for men-- if we end "what women are like" and "what men are like," the way many, many feminists want, the actual problems these men have would likewise disappear.... oh and the digusting language and ideas that these men spout online certainly outweigh any sympathy I have for their problems.

Women claiming to know what's best for men is just as bad as the reverse.

Connor

Bowling Green State University•9 months ago

Not surprised to see Mike Cernovich's name in the credits

Ravi

Chandler Public Library - Arizona•10 months ago

Good documentary. Radical feminism is evil.

John

Brooklyn Public Library•10 months ago

'Men's Rights..?' What bunch of wimps would cry for the need for "Men's Rights"?

Greg

Vancouver Island Regional Library•6 months ago

Are you related to Don Cherry?

Ronald

Queens Library•10 months ago

Very informative. I enjoyed it

mr

Seattle Public Library•10 months ago

..still don't care

James

University of Prince Edward Island•11 months ago

This film portrays itself as a balanced documentary, however, it is thinly veiled promotional material for the harmful and empirically incorrect positions of the "men's rights movement". Jaye presents highly selected arguments from misogynistic writers and web personalities without ...Read more

This film portrays itself as a balanced documentary, however, it is thinly veiled promotional material for the harmful and empirically incorrect positions of the "men's rights movement". Jaye presents highly selected arguments from misogynistic writers and web personalities without questioning their many hateful assertions on the record elsewhere. Feminists are interviewed in short segments that tend to show their arguments as weak or off point. The filmmaker has received funding from leading "men's rights'' personalities.

This is apologist propaganda for a movement that inspires continued and expanded violence against women.

Paul Elam has issues alright, he's a deadbeat dad. His daughter connected with him as an adult and shortly found herself paying his bills for him. If you want to fork out 118 minutes of your time because you need to prove to yourself that you are open-minded and can see "the world from the ...Read more

Paul Elam has issues alright, he's a deadbeat dad. His daughter connected with him as an adult and shortly found herself paying his bills for him. If you want to fork out 118 minutes of your time because you need to prove to yourself that you are open-minded and can see "the world from the other side" then burn 118 minutes of your time to feel good. If you're the type who doesn't need to smell crap to know that it stinks however, give The Red Pill a pass and use your minutes to sleep easy like a baby.

This film is worth watching. Are there anecdote fallacies? Yeah, some. Still some men do end up having bad things done to them by bad women, like some women end up having bad things done to them by bad men. And we can refer to bad people without connecting badness to all women or men.

Leslie

Randwick City Library•11 months ago

Very worthwhile watching with an open mind. Some of the speakers are absolutely infuriating - but you can pace yourself and watch in small bursts, if necessary! I admire the director for grappling with all sides of these issues so honestly. There is something here to make any viewer, on any ...Read more

Very worthwhile watching with an open mind. Some of the speakers are absolutely infuriating - but you can pace yourself and watch in small bursts, if necessary! I admire the director for grappling with all sides of these issues so honestly. There is something here to make any viewer, on any side, exasperated.

Totally bizzare. Opens with a bunch of articles seemingly from MRA sites on how it's ok if not necessary to be violent to women, then pivots to how right MRAs are right about everything, but never revisits these articles. It talks about how men are killed in war, never who is doing the ...Read more

Totally bizzare. Opens with a bunch of articles seemingly from MRA sites on how it's ok if not necessary to be violent to women, then pivots to how right MRAs are right about everything, but never revisits these articles. It talks about how men are killed in war, never who is doing the killing (it's almost always men, in case you were wondering). It says radfems / second-wave are bad and hateful, while Boko Haram is called "chivalrous." The MRAs interviewed are all sarcastic and dismissive of feminists, but this is ok because feminists somehow made the first jab. MRAs are all about double standards and a very narrow view of issues, should've read reviews and not wasted my time with this.

It was strange to start the documentary with that and never address it, since only one article was brought back up (the "Smash a Violent Bitch" one) here's the others:

"When is it OK to Punch Your Wife?" https://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/when-is-it-ok-t... article is about how men can't defend themselves in domestic abuse situations. If the question was "When is it OK to Punch Your Husband?" women would be allowed in the case of defense, but men can't defend themselves because they will be seen as an aggressor. It also addresses how sometimes women can get away with violence because it makes them liberated from an oppressor. It is still a very angry article "It’s not because some women don’t deserve it. Heck, there is many a woman that righteously deserves a foot being broken off in her ass."

"Study Reveals Female Rape Victims Enjoyed the Experience" https://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/study-reveals-female-rape-victims-... "The entire below article is nothing but an illustrative example of what Murray Straus identified as “Evidence by Citation” and other forms of academic fraud in widespread and unchallenged use by pseudoscientific ideologues with PhDs, and it quite clearly says so if you just read it to the end: this entire article is a bunch of fraudulent lies, meant to teach a lesson about just how gullible people can be and how easily they will accept horrible lies about male sexuality but get angry about lies regarding female sexuality."

the level of whiteness in this documentary is unconscionable. literally every person is white.

Laura

San Francisco Public Library•11 months ago

You missed the guy who had to pay child support because the mother listed him as the father on some government paperwork, the mother was not his wife, dna proved that he was not related to the child, but that made no difference to the court. The father looked African-American to ...Read more

You missed the guy who had to pay child support because the mother listed him as the father on some government paperwork, the mother was not his wife, dna proved that he was not related to the child, but that made no difference to the court. The father looked African-American to me.

Courts can be pretty quirky. A woman in California begged the court to not let the father have unsupervised contact because he had threatened to kill the child when he had a chance. Judge responds "I think you are lying," hands the child over to the father who promptly murders the child and commits suicide.
There don't seem to be any consequences to the judges who do this sort of thing.

@Troy oh yes, dismiss the information, not with rational thought or statistics but instead dismiss it on the basis the color of their skin. When people talk about how racism is still a problem within our society I look to you as a prime example of this disgusting practice.

Isha

University of Melbourne•11 months ago

sorry dog but you don't have a clue what racism is.

Zoe

Anne Arundel County Public Library•1 year ago

Where did he say that "this is inaccurate because everyone is white"? I don't see it. However, when around 60% of the population is white, but 100% of the people within a documentary are white, it's a valid thing to point out. What does it say about the Men's Rights movement? Does it cater ...Read more

Where did he say that "this is inaccurate because everyone is white"? I don't see it. However, when around 60% of the population is white, but 100% of the people within a documentary are white, it's a valid thing to point out. What does it say about the Men's Rights movement? Does it cater primarily to disenfranchised white men? Are they intentionally excluding men of color? Are men of color generally not involved by their own choice? Did the woman who performed the little social experiment only seek out white MRAs, or could she just not find a more diverse crowd? Was it unconscious bias?

When you're looking at something from a rational standpoint, it is okay to ask these questions, because 1) an experiment built on bias tends to get flavored results, and 2) noticing similarities and differences within a group is important to analyzing it.

Not every discussion involving race is automatically racist. Nothing Troy said was racist.

"What does it say about the Men's Rights movement?" a lot of the feminist in this are also white. I think it's because issues of race are considered to be a more pressing matter. Even historically you see more race equality than gender equality (eg black president before a female).

Sofya

CUNY Hunter College•1 year ago

Profoundly inept and disingenuous in every possible way.

Jake

Wofford College•1 year ago

Would you mind giving examples of this ineptitude and disingenuous quality? I am curious to learn what criticisms people have of this movie, as I have found it so powerful I am inclined to share it with my campus. Do you have any particular criticisms I should be ready for when I do so?

Zoe

Kanopy Staff•1 year ago

Some comic relief/post-red-pill-recommended viewing: "No Men Beyond This Point" - also on Kanopy, a very tongue and cheek mockumentary to lighten things up ;)

Arif

J Sargeant Reynolds Community College•1 year ago

I second this. While I would never wish to take away from The Red Pill, having taken Zoe up on her suggestion, I am in agreement. If you feel like you need to take a break from the more intense representations of truth and honesty, "No Men Beyond This Point" will re-energize your emotional ...Read more

I second this. While I would never wish to take away from The Red Pill, having taken Zoe up on her suggestion, I am in agreement. If you feel like you need to take a break from the more intense representations of truth and honesty, "No Men Beyond This Point" will re-energize your emotional capacity quickly. It even has a happy ending.

I am a man and I work with men. This film is absurd. It completely fails to grasp broad social and cultural contexts by framing stats in a simple minded way. This hurts men by pandering to a series of simplified misunderstandings.

I am a man and I work with men. This film is absurd. It completely fails to grasp broad social and cultural contexts by framing stats in a simple minded way. This hurts men by pandering to a series of simplified misunderstandings.

Women don't die at work? Up until the 1990s we have three hundred years of intentional exclusion form workplaces on the assumption of incapability. More men die at war? Only a handful of nations have allowed women in the front lines and only in the last 6 years! More men drop out of school? The notions of rebellion and aggressive self assertion, as well as the idea that study is unmasculine in the Anglosphere working class, combined with the notion of working compliance stacks masculinity against effort. The same system over-represents men in high level administrative positions. More men commit suicide? That's because we discourage men from being open, communicative and vulnerable while encouraging them to make decisive actions on the basis of personal experience. We tell women they have to consider others and seek support in the face of hardship. Subsequently women carry on despite of crippling depression and are significantly more likely to be on anti-depressants and in positions of care. Reproductive rights? Women represent the vast majority of single parent carers. Meanwhile, practices like 'stealthing' are jokes, only being considered as a serious issue in the last year. Domestic violence? Hospital check in and epidemiology reports show a rate of 1 man injured to every 14 women. Meanwhile 1 in 3 figures are cited on the basis of a highly faulty measurement scale (google Conflict Tactics Scale) that counts self defense and even yelling as an act of aggression from a victim of assault. Additionally, crime statistics show a woman is quite likely to die at the hands of a male partner (murder rates by common profiles of assailant). Comparative rates in reverse are minuscule.

These arguments are, at best, absurdly naive and lacking in context. At worst they are cynical lies.

Terrible film. Trivializes serious problems, wrong-mindedly plays into a series of assumptions that ultimately hurt men and distract from the real issues.

I notice that in discussing the majority of these issues, you are merely reframing the implications of the work rather than opposing the statistic correctly. Fred Hayward discusses this explicitly when he talks about men and women both being pulled in unhealthy directions. Even if I granted ...Read more

I notice that in discussing the majority of these issues, you are merely reframing the implications of the work rather than opposing the statistic correctly. Fred Hayward discusses this explicitly when he talks about men and women both being pulled in unhealthy directions. Even if I granted your framing of the issue, the fact of the matter is these problems do exist, and, to my knowledge, feminists do not address them as serious issues.

This process appears evident to me even back to what is taken as the most banal feminist issue, women's suffrage, ignored the court case conducted within the same decade declaring conscription as a necessary qualification for citizenship (Arver v. US's appeal to the Vattell's Law of Nations, to be exact). The feminists of the time did not push equally for either a female draft or a removal of this necessity from men. The 19th amendment was passed regardless. I have seen no court case overturn Arver v. US.

It is for reasons such as this that I consider myself to be an MRA. By every metric, feminism is primarily concerned with the issues facing women. If men have issues that feminism is unwilling to address, the movement does not deserve its egalitarian reputation.

I will concede that the documentary was not as expansive when talking about these issues as they demand, but I fear adhering to these demands would lead to either no documentary, or the longest one in recorded history. The nuances and complexities of so broad a topic cannot always be captured, and addressing your concerns would likely take more time than Mrs. Jaye would reasonably be able to allot for the movie's length.

Largely, I am simply relieved that something, anything was produced on this topic with a modicum of charity. Media portrayals of the MRM typically consist of anonymous people on message boards AT BEST, and at worst, people who ACTIVELY OPPOSE THE MOVEMENT. It is exasperating to hear people conflating the MRM with people like Roosh V or Elliot Rodger. Perhaps this has clouded my judgment of the film, but I think that concern of bias is something everyone should possess, including the feminist movement.

I would like to also contend, as a brief addendum, that when you discuss "social and cultural contexts," you appear to be using a feminist lens. You are likely arguing that these issues derive from a male leadership over the majority of spheres of power within society, which possesses a large if not complete part in framing personalities. In other words, you discuss what I believe is termed patriarchy. This isn't the only view of society to use, however. Evolutionary psychology, as well as the result the MRM terms gynocentrism, can also explain the issues you describe, largely by arguing that society was more attuned to the safety of the mother, the one whose part in the reproductive process is the most laborious, and that this resulted in restrictive societies which believed that a woman should stay in the home and men were to achieve earnings in whatever way they could, from the luxurious jobs feminists want equity within, to the worst jobs feminism hasn't appeared to acknowledge. It can also be said to be the root of differential treatment within the court system, where women are treated with more leniency than men. Thus, it has the ability to explain more than the feminist framework.

This is an interesting conversation that needs to be had, and I am grateful you levied your concerns. I think the majority engaged in this dialogue come from a place of wanting gender equality, but disagreeing on the method. Even if people end up thinking largely emotionally (which is a possibility on both sides of the divide), I do hope we can still discuss issues such as this calmly, and I hope you find my tone to portray such an intent.

Not a free speech issue. This is an issue of facts. The statistics overwhelmingly show who the victims of cultural systems are. Not only that but the only support available for men who are victims of crimes such as rape come from organizations and structures that are run with a feminist ...Read more

Not a free speech issue. This is an issue of facts. The statistics overwhelmingly show who the victims of cultural systems are. Not only that but the only support available for men who are victims of crimes such as rape come from organizations and structures that are run with a feminist prerogative. If you were to go into the field you'd quickly discover how wrong minded this shitty movie is. If you want facts, try the real world. Or read the testimonials of the men who have actually suffered violence. (http://www.ontheissuesmagazine.com/1992spring/Spring1992_1.php) Or take a look at the assault statistics offered below.

Your will to speak is fine. As is your right. When you speak wrongly in a public forum expect to be called. You can believe what you want - but you can't make your fantasies into reality. Do some research, you know, the academic type.

You're conflating general violence with a very specific social issue. You're also quoting the one in three campaign and the study that they cite is done using a Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS). This includes verbal aggression, and any kind of physical response and counts it as an assault incident. This scale measures 'conflict tactics' including those that happen in the act of self defense. It does not take into account the injury, the role of aggressor and factors in male to male assault as part of the data set. I encourage you to look it up. The 'criticism' section in Wikipedia covers it well.

In England, this issue has been on the table for a bit longer, so they've gotten better at keeping track of the data... I hope we get to a point of being better with our data.

Looking at overall rates of assault in light of this issue is further conflation. The vast majority of causes of violence to men are men. This is a separate issue to the systemic, cultural problem of violence by men, in relationships, against women. To compare the general number of male deaths to the specific figure of women being battered to death by their partners is a dis-service to the facts. Murder is a separate issue. There is a difference to people killing each other and people using physical force to control their partner. More than half of the women killed by their partners are killed by 'accident', as a result of domestic disputes (http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi404.pdf). This is different from motive established, per-meditated murder. One in five of people who are killed in-spouse murders are men, but under completely different circumstances (http://aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/rip/21-40/rip38.html), trial outcomes suggest that most not as a result of a pattern of physical abuse for control.

Violence is a broad issue. Men are victims too, but we are overwhelmingly the perpetrators. We need to deal with that sad fact, look at the issues and do something to change our culture. Feminism didn't cause this.

I appreciate your response.
It is a free speech issue when organizations try to curb the screening of a film.
The key is to stop making this a gendered issue both men and women experience violence and discrimination {family law courts }.
Statistics are not the gospel truth ...Read more

Thank you for taking the time Chris. And I frankly agree with you that stopping the screenings of this film is not a good way to go. Largely because it's screening is an act of self-defeat - the quality of argument is both poor and readily available online.
I also agree that statistics ...Read more

Thank you for taking the time Chris. And I frankly agree with you that stopping the screenings of this film is not a good way to go. Largely because it's screening is an act of self-defeat - the quality of argument is both poor and readily available online.
I also agree that statistics are not gospel, though it's somewhat ironic that all of the press pieces you've sent as evidence are using the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS) measures I talked about in the earlier post. The one in Three and the Mankind Initiative organizational data are all based on this study. The reason why the scale was used was to assess the threat level to police who attended domestic incidences. It doesn't reflect the actual proportions of statistics which one of your articles mentioned (and I've provided a number of much more credible sources for, 12 to 1 ratio).
Statistics are part of the story, but they are a big one. And they are not the only one that is damning. That men under-report is true, and it's also the reason why this NEEDS to be gender issue. There is a gender issue that keeps men from reporting and often being taken seriously (ironically, overwhelmingly by other men). It's also a gender issue that women are more likely to get killed by an intimate partner than a random stranger (again, numbers and analysis is provided).

The truth is when you follow your own advice and look past the statistics (which are damning for the red pill perspective) you hit the complexity of male problems. They are many, but they are NOT women or feminism. Men suffer and inflict suffering because of long standing narratives. I've interviewed well over 600 of them in various states of distress. This movie is a problem not because it 'exposes men's issues'. It's a problem because it misrepresents them. The men that are interviewed have done very little in supporting men's causes in any substantial way, a few have been accused of making a living off those in need. The feminists they accuse of being the problem are those most likely to be doing the work they bemoan isn't done. Read that male rape survivor article. His experience is typical of the men who have the guts and foresight to reach out for help after that terrible trauma.

This is why this film is crap. It's an escapist fantasy that seeks to blindly place blame and stoke a political battle that is harmful to everyone in the long run.

While the Red Pillers charge 90 bucks per hour to Skype interview be-grieved men while offering no support, feminist researchers have been looking at male deaths and victim-hood from a first hand research perspective. I recommend you look it up, I'll offer you some links. Most servises for DM are available for both sexes and shelters are regularly organized for both men and women by social service officers. The danger and the need is simply significantly greater on one end. Finally, legal funds and political action on the male viscim front have been overwhelmingly done by academics and workers who identify with feminist values.

Thanks for the list will give them a read. I see your point with the articles I provided, however I don’t agree the film was trying to stoke the flames of hate and the fact that MRAs do very little isn’t lost on me as they are a minority. Feminism is mainstream and many men agree or at least ...Read more

Thanks for the list will give them a read. I see your point with the articles I provided, however I don’t agree the film was trying to stoke the flames of hate and the fact that MRAs do very little isn’t lost on me as they are a minority. Feminism is mainstream and many men agree or at least follow what the ideology tells them as it has permeated the culture.
I’m not an MRA by the way I don’t want to follow any ideology I see it as their right to express themselves without the media and feminism groups demonizing them as hate mongers.
I understand that feminism in itself is complex with a lot of disagree factions and I’m not against it as a whole. However, there is an element that has an issue with western culture and men in particular and I would say that this is the vocal force behind the backlash there is something that I see in them that you see in a tiny fringe like the MRAs I’d venture to say.
Also, the fact this film was made by a feminist woman and she received a lot of hate from feminists and feminist men in particular has shown a darker side to the ideology in “tow the party line” instead of egalitarianism has feminism claims to represent.
To me Feminism is for feminism to this faction and there are good people like you under its umbrella and I hope your kind challenge the anti-male narrative, because I don’t see them really caring about women, intersex or people of colour but instead using them as marks to further there hateful agenda against the Western or male “patriarchy”.

Well, this is a good conversation. Thanks for taking the time to read the long replies, Chris. We need more dialogue and less division. There is definitely a fair share of idiocy, stereotyping and accusations on both sides of the camp. I'd be in remiss if I didn't say that feminism is not a ...Read more

Well, this is a good conversation. Thanks for taking the time to read the long replies, Chris. We need more dialogue and less division. There is definitely a fair share of idiocy, stereotyping and accusations on both sides of the camp. I'd be in remiss if I didn't say that feminism is not a single front. Much of the contemporary 'fourth wave' is individualistic, simplistic and self-serving. Popular understandings don't always match the activist and communal spirit and often lack deeper, historically contextualized understanding.

Regarding patriarchy, that system isn't great for men either. It's the mentality that codified self-destruction and emotional closure.

Finally, I have an issue with this film because I don't see it as honest. I don't think she ever was a feminist - not in a way that suggests understanding. If she was she'd know the stuff I told you. I think she's a feminist the way contemporary pop stars are 'feminist'. Superficially. This film is a propaganda piece.

Spoken like a true feminist. Try removing your oppression-coloured glasses and looking at things without the biased feminist lens.

Alex

La Trobe University•1 year ago

There's a consistency to the way any critique of this MRA subgroups goes, and it looks a lot like what you've just posted Lachlan. Try using facts. The process of getting an argument together might actually teach you something. You are at Uni after all.

Glen

University of Newcastle•1 year ago

Tremendously well done. A wonderful perspective into the actual men's rights movement and not the extremist version so often flaunted by the feminist driven media. If only more people would watch this with a truly critical mind. There are some use of outdated statistics, yet i feel they are ...Read more

Tremendously well done. A wonderful perspective into the actual men's rights movement and not the extremist version so often flaunted by the feminist driven media. If only more people would watch this with a truly critical mind. There are some use of outdated statistics, yet i feel they are still relevant. The concepts are well explored with the right amount of emotional content. A very well made doco, i recommend anyone with a boy or a man in their life watch.

A riveting look at a topic that is not discussed often. It was really eye-opening to learn about some of the issues facing men that are swept under the rug in society. Especially the idea that men are expendable, the lack of support for male victims of domestic violence and the societal ...Read more

A riveting look at a topic that is not discussed often. It was really eye-opening to learn about some of the issues facing men that are swept under the rug in society. Especially the idea that men are expendable, the lack of support for male victims of domestic violence and the societal pressures to live up to gender roles on both sides.

It was frustrating to watch the feminists and men's rights activists fight because it would be so much more productive if both groups worked together to fight injustice harming both genders and tearing down gender stereotypes for everyone.

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