“He was a great grandpa,” Joanna continued. “He liked to
always talk about what he was doing. He’d tell you about the movies and we got
to go play on the sets at the Studio.” Joanna and Diane then compared childhood
memories of what it was like to visit the Studio, which segued into how Walt
would help look after the grandchildren when Ron and Diane traveled. They would
do homework in his office, and got to see the dailies. This led to reminiscing
about which movies were in production at that time.

Walter then asked Joanna if she remembered the parade.
Joanna smiled and said “That was one of my first memories of my life, being
petrified.” Walter then explained how Joanna and her siblings were in a car in a
Disneyland parade with Walt. They were so young Walter told about “the terror in
their eyes.” Except for one of them. Joanna recalled how “My sister Tam was
beaming, like she thought everyone was there to meet her.” Joanna guessed she
was between three and five at the time. “I was so frightened, because I’ve
always been a pretty shy little kid. But the fact that Grandpa asked us to, it
was just sort of like you didn’t say no, and he just wanted us to be there with
him. ‘I just want you guys to come with me.’” Diane said that for years Walt
would pick kids out to appear with him “and now he had his own grandchildren. He
was proud of that.”

“He wanted to show them off,” Ron interjected.

Then Diane remembered the next year he took Joanna in a
parade, and when he saw Ron and Diane in the crowd, he demonstratively pointed
to Joanna beside him.

How often did the grandkids get to go to Disneyland with
Walt? Joanna tried to remember. They did get to spend the night in the apartment
over the fire station on Main Street, USA “a handful of times,” and they would
stay a couple times a year in the Disneyland Hotel. Then Joanna laughingly said
to her father “I heard that sometimes you’d get upset because Grannie and
Grandpa would take us away too much.”

To this Ron quickly replied, “I was only pretending.”

This led to a brief discussion of other places their
grandparents would take them, like San Diego’s Vacation Village. Photos from
these outings are included in the Museum. “They said to use everything we had,”
Diane explained.

In passing, Joanna mentioned Walt and Lillian had a
housekeeper that would cook for them. Walter picked up on that. “But the
housekeeper was more than a housekeeper. She was part of the family.” Her name
was Thelma, and grandson Christopher couldn’t pronounce Thelma. He called her
Fou-Fou, so from then on she was known as Fou-Fou. The family has great memories
of her. Diane remembered how she loved sports, and the back-and-forth she used
to have with Walt over the family menu.

One of the more interesting items in the Museum’s
collection reflects this repartee. Diane recalled how “My mother wasn’t much of
a creative meal-planner.” The dinner menu was heavy with lamb chops and to Walt
it was becoming tiresome. “He liked stews, and he liked soup, and he liked chili
and beans and things like that. And so he came down one morning, and I remember
him coming into the kitchen, ‘Thelma!’ and he had three sheets like a memo pad.
‘These are things that I like to eat.’ And at the top ‘Things Walt Disney Likes
To Eat.’”

Later as the Museum was being planned, the Retlaw
controller was going through the maid’s room. He picked up an old Life
magazine that had been there for perhaps thirty years, and this list of Walt’s
favorite foods fell out. It’s now on display.

Then Ron added “Joanna said it earlier, Thelma was a member
of the family. He [Walt] treated her as a member of the family, and when she
died, she died a very, very wealthy woman. Walt had given her the maximum amount
of stock every year, and she never cashed in on the stock or anything.” Half of
it went to her son and the other half was used to start a foundation. (Thelma
Pearl Howard Foundation)

During his career, Ron had on occasion directed Walt,
correct? “That’s true,” he confessed as Diane laughed. “Walt would get very
tired after being under the hot lights.” Then he could get impatient. Ron
recalled one time when the scene called for Walt to start at his desk and walk
over to a bookcase, pick out a book and walk back to the desk. In trying to
shorten Walt’s time on the set and get him back to his office, Ron thought it
best to start Walt at the bookcase. But Walt came onto the set and went right to
the desk.

“I knew then that I was in trouble,” Ron recalled. “I said,
‘Walt, I took that out and I’m going to open up with you right here.’ And he
said ‘Ron! Do you think I sit up there with a writer and go over this and map
out the strategy and everything else, and you just flush it down the toilet? I
want to start here. There are reasons I want to start here!’ Well, I moved that
real fast.”

One of Walt’s traits that has repeatedly surfaced in
Allan’s interviews with others in the Disney organization is an uncanny ability
to identify hidden talent in people. Did Ron feel that was true in his case?
Ron’s first comment was “He thought I was a better football player than I was.”
But Diane enthusiastically agreed. “ I see this so much, too.” She used Disney
artist Claude Coats as an example of someone with hidden talent that Walt was
able to identify.

Then Walter threw a curve. “He had the foresight that Dad
was not going to be a good actor. Tell that story.”

“No!” was Ron’s quick reply to much laughter. But he did
anyway. Actor Clint Walker had quit the Warner Brothers’ TV series “Cheyenne,”
and Ron, being the handsome football-hero type, was asked to try out for the
part. A script reading (despite some problems with hand gestures) led to a
request for a screen test.

Ron said he really didn’t intend to go beyond that point
anyway, but it didn’t matter. He got a call from Walt. “Ron, I’ve heard
something that’s very disturbing.”

“I said, ‘What’s that?’”

“That you want to be an actor.” Ron started to explain, but
Walt said, “Look, I have plans for you. I want you to be a producer and you have
a great future here with the company.” Ron quickly forgot about acting.

The next question was perhaps the most poignant. “What
would you say is the biggest misconception about Walt?”

Then she mentioned a second persistent misconception. “The
frozen thing’s silly. But it’s gotten beyond the point of being silly, it’s
ugly.”

Walter said “The ones that are painful and mean, but the
frozen one has almost gotten to the point where it’s comical.”

“I think there are some people who still believe it,” Diane
persisted.

Walter added a bit more perspective. “The first time I
kinda realized who Grandpa was was when I was in second grade and a friend of
mine … he said ‘Is it true that your grandpa’s Walt Disney?’ I went ‘Yea.’ And I
think the next question was ‘Do you get into Disneyland free?’ I said ‘Yea.’
Then he said, ‘Is he frozen?’ and I just thought, I couldn’t grasp that, being
so young and hearing that the first time. I’ve heard it ever since. But I think
there’s almost a positive about it. He was just an innovator…”

“I don’t think it’s positive,” Diane interjected.

“…that maybe he could come back,” Walter finished.

Joanna agreed. “I took it that people didn’t want him to be
gone. People really loved the idea that maybe, and because he was a forward
thinker,… there was the hope that he wasn’t really gone.”