Fine. Kill Social Security and other entitlements. But first pay me every cent I put in to any of them, plus interest. Otherwise it's just stealing, Ted. That's against the Ten Commandments that you love so dearly, you farking tool.

We are more than $16 trillion in debt today, and estimates are that America will be $22 trillion in debt at the end of this president's second term. If that's not a certifiable, titanic financial disaster, someone please tell the American public what is.

Three Crooked Squirrels:No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

Donnchadha:A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

AdolfOliverPanties:Fine. Kill Social Security and other entitlements. But first pay me every cent I put in to any of them, plus interest. Otherwise it's just stealing, Ted. That's against the Ten Commandments that you love so dearly, you farking tool.

How quaint. Because the current Social Security system *isn't* stealing.

Donnchadha:Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

I feel dirty for agreeing with this one part of his incoherent ramble: "Every federal agency and department should be required to take an immediate, real 15 percent cut in its budget - no funny accounting tricks, but a real 15 percent cut."

Ten Nugent is wealthy enough to not need SS, Medicaid, Medicare, etc, and none of his friends are on welfare. and he certainly wouldn't be caught dead hanging around anyone in the bottom 50th percentile. or the bottom 98th percentile for that matter. and besides, he needs more tax cuts. they're so sweet!

welcome to the Republican Party. Where the ability to think of anyone besides yourself does not exist.

m1ke:I feel dirty for agreeing with this one part of his incoherent ramble: "Every federal agency and department should be required to take an immediate, real 15 percent cut in its budget - no funny accounting tricks, but a real 15 percent cut."

Yeah, that actually wouldn't do that much. You could get rid of every government department and it still wouldn't cover the deficit. all of the non-defense department added together only equal the budget for DOD.

Instead of feeling something is a good idea maybe you should research and see if it is firts.

Taxing the poor is not a bad idea, a small amount like 2% would bring in billions of dollars that Obama wants to desperately to spend on vacations to get the First Beast out of town so that he can eat like a man instead of the cuck she has turned him into.

Revoking voting for those on welfare is fine if they've been on gubmint checks for more than a year. Once they get off my dime they can vote again.

Donnchadha:A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

m1ke:I feel dirty for agreeing with this one part of his incoherent ramble: "Every federal agency and department should be required to take an immediate, real 15 percent cut in its budget - no funny accounting tricks, but a real 15 percent cut."

You should because it's stupid:

See those tiniest slivers on the right there. Those are what you are talking about. You can never get about 1.5 trillion from 500 billion. People don't understand that the things the GOP are asking to cut are the tiniest parts of the budget.

This myth of the non-taxpayer won't go away. There is not an adult alive in this country that does not pay any taxes whatsoever. That's not a good thing, either. Trying to increase people's taxes so that they have more "skin in the game" is just lazy, yet tyrannical, thinking.

Corvus:m1ke: I feel dirty for agreeing with this one part of his incoherent ramble: "Every federal agency and department should be required to take an immediate, real 15 percent cut in its budget - no funny accounting tricks, but a real 15 percent cut."

You should because it's stupid:

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See those tiniest slivers on the right there. Those are what you are talking about. You can never get about 1.5 trillion from 500 billion. People don't understand that the things the GOP are asking to cut are the tiniest parts of the budget.

Yeah, but as soon as they can chop NPR funding, we'll be freakin GOLDEN

shotglasss:Taxing the poor is not a bad idea, a small amount like 2% would bring in billions of dollars that Obama wants to desperately to spend on vacations to get the First Beast out of town so that he can eat like a man instead of the cuck she has turned him into.

Revoking voting for those on welfare is fine if they've been on gubmint checks for more than a year. Once they get off my dime they can vote again.

Does that apply to the Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? I'd love to see what would happen to the GOP if you strip voting rights from seniors and the Hoverround brigade.

jigger:Trying to increase people's taxes so that they have more "skin in the game" is just lazy, yet tyrannical, thinking.

Yeah, that 3.6% on everything over $250,000 like they used to pay is just tyranny. Opposing it with every breath is certainly worth throwing us into a recession over and taking the US credit rating into the shiatter.

How does anyone think they can "tax the poor"? Tax WHAT? If they have no income, there's no income to tax. If they're making below poverty level, the graduated income tax we all pay doesn't ALLOW them to be taxed. People on disability, unemployment and social security cannot be taxed. What exactly do these cretins want to "tax"?

And even if the tax laws were changed so everyone had to pay taxes--again, what are you going to tax? Someone who makes $24,000 a year, if you taxed them at 5%, you'd get a whopping $1200 out of him. However, that would also be $1200 he couldn't spend on the economy--you know, food, clothing, gas--so that's money out of the commerce stream. People not buying stuff is what contributes to recession, not people not paying taxes. We need poor people buying stuff, not paying crippling taxes.

I'm not much of an economist, but even I know that if poor people give all their money to the government, the government winds up having to support them.

vernonFL:I thought Ted would have moved to Canada or killed himself if Obama won.

Too bad.

Canada?! Come on man. Our Canadian hard line conservatives would practically be commies by the Ted Nugent standard. He would see our universal health care and handgun restrictions and bail immediately.

Soup4Bonnie:jigger: Trying to increase people's taxes so that they have more "skin in the game" is just lazy, yet tyrannical, thinking.

Yeah, that 3.6% on everything over $250,000 like they used to pay is just tyranny. Opposing it with every breath is certainly worth throwing us into a recession over and taking the US credit rating into the shiatter.

Corvus:beta_plus: Krieghund: beta_plus: //This is what the French actually believe

The French can't hear you, they're busy with their 5 weeks of vacation and 35 hour work weeks.

You have an interesting idea of what's a vacation:

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I went to France during the rioting. It was wonderful. They had armed police on many corners. Felt more safe than most of the time in most cities in the US. My wife and I walked alone everywhere.

You are an idiot who has no farking idea what you are talking.

OOOOH! Look at me! I went on a Eurail trip and saw all the historic preserved European downtowns while ignoring their poor suburbs so that makes me an expert on all of the countries that I went to because there is no way class and racial divisions in other countries could differ from America!!

But don't worry, you really are an expert on all that is "European", because we all know the Champs Ellysee is exactly like a Banlieue.

Just wondering: Are you just butt hurt that you got called out on how you don't like living among the poor or are you really that stupid? I'm invoking Poe's law here.

And BTW - So you think a racist police state is the way to run things. Well, at least you are willing to show your true liberal face - I'll give you that.

shotglasss:Taxing the poor is not a bad idea, a small amount like 2% would bring in billions of dollars that Obama wants to desperately to spend on vacations to get the First Beast out of town so that he can eat like a man instead of the cuck she has turned him into.

Revoking voting for those on welfare is fine if they've been on gubmint checks for more than a year. Once they get off my dime they can vote again.

Nothing important or intelligent to say, so you attack Obama's wife, shiat all over your fellow Americans, and admit you don't know shiat about anything.

beta_plus:Corvus: beta_plus: Krieghund: beta_plus: //This is what the French actually believe

The French can't hear you, they're busy with their 5 weeks of vacation and 35 hour work weeks.

You have an interesting idea of what's a vacation:

[blogs.reuters.com image 300x234]

I went to France during the rioting. It was wonderful. They had armed police on many corners. Felt more safe than most of the time in most cities in the US. My wife and I walked alone everywhere.

You are an idiot who has no farking idea what you are talking.

OOOOH! Look at me! I went on a Eurail trip and saw all the historic preserved European downtowns while ignoring their poor suburbs so that makes me an expert on all of the countries that I went to because there is no way class and racial divisions in other countries could differ from America!!

But don't worry, you really are an expert on all that is "European", because we all know the Champs Ellysee is exactly like a Banlieue.

Just wondering: Are you just butt hurt that you got called out on how you don't like living among the poor or are you really that stupid? I'm invoking Poe's law here.

And BTW - So you think a racist police state is the way to run things. Well, at least you are willing to show your true liberal face - I'll give you that.

LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS!

Try looking at the world with your own eyes, listening with your own ears, and thinking with your own brain once in a while.

Cyberluddite:Donnchadha: A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

Except, you know, in the last election, when Prop 30 was approved. I can see how that might be forgotten, though, since it was damn near a month ago.

Donnchadha:Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

I vote FOR a tax when it comes up on local ballots, because I know it'll be put to good use. Then again, I'm not an uneducated moron (ie fiscal conservative).

Zoophagous:So if you're poor and on welfare according to Ted you should be taxed more and lose your vote.

I wonder where the founding fathers stood on taxation without an ability to vote.

Ever explain that the american revolution was started because a government wanted to balance its budget*? That London just figured more people should have "skin in the game". It's like putting baking soda in a jar of vinegar.

Privatize Social Security for those under 55, simply buy private insurance for medicaid and medicare people like Switzerland does via block grants to states, eliminate all income taxes and introduce national sales tax so everyone pays including nonprofits and churches, consolodate all the dozens of welfare agencies into one program and require those who sign up also sign a waiver of their adulthood so they can't vote and a gov't appointed parent is assigned to be their guardian.

Keizer_Ghidorah:beta_plus: Corvus: beta_plus: Krieghund: beta_plus: //This is what the French actually believe

The French can't hear you, they're busy with their 5 weeks of vacation and 35 hour work weeks.

You have an interesting idea of what's a vacation:

[blogs.reuters.com image 300x234]

I went to France during the rioting. It was wonderful. They had armed police on many corners. Felt more safe than most of the time in most cities in the US. My wife and I walked alone everywhere.

You are an idiot who has no farking idea what you are talking.

OOOOH! Look at me! I went on a Eurail trip and saw all the historic preserved European downtowns while ignoring their poor suburbs so that makes me an expert on all of the countries that I went to because there is no way class and racial divisions in other countries could differ from America!!

But don't worry, you really are an expert on all that is "European", because we all know the Champs Ellysee is exactly like a Banlieue.

Just wondering: Are you just butt hurt that you got called out on how you don't like living among the poor or are you really that stupid? I'm invoking Poe's law here.

And BTW - So you think a racist police state is the way to run things. Well, at least you are willing to show your true liberal face - I'll give you that.

LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS!

Try looking at the world with your own eyes, listening with your own ears, and thinking with your own brain once in a while.

LargeCanine:Privatize Social Security for those under 55, simply buy private insurance for medicaid and medicare people like Switzerland does via block grants to states, eliminate all income taxes and introduce national sales tax so everyone pays including nonprofits and churches, consolodate all the dozens of welfare agencies into one program and require those who sign up also sign a waiver of their adulthood so they can't vote and a gov't appointed parent is assigned to be their guardian.

And fire all cops and close all prisons, releasing the inmates. It's all just psychological welfare for sacred white people, and I can't afford the tax burden anymore. Why shouild I pay to protect your soft, pale ass? Protect your own self - that's why we got a second amendment.

Well there is that quote about how democracy lasts exactly as long as it takes for the public to figure out they can vote to get free stuff from the public treasury.

A system where no one who receives a benefit from public expenditures is allowed to vote for anything that allocates those expenditures certainly would nip that one in the bud.

It wouldn't just be welfare people though. Defense contractors. Military. Too big to fail banks. Farmers who take subsidies. Federal employees of all sorts.

It would would have interesting consequences. Starship Troopers except citizenship comes from self-sufficiency instead of service.

The practical aspects of implementing it would be impossible, though. The money would just get funneled through extra layers of shell corporations and contractors to shield the people enjoying the public money from the label of non-citizen. What if you work in a McDonalds in the commissary of a military base? The politicians would structure the details of the law such that only the poor people can't vote and all the fascism style corporate collaborators would be immune. All the federal employees would be done though contractors.

Only in Right Wing America would a man who dipped himself in sh*t to avoid military service be considered a patriot, and only a man advocating for taxation without representation be considered anything but a traitor.

Corvus:See those tiniest slivers on the right there. Those are what you are talking about. You can never get about 1.5 trillion from 500 billion. People don't understand that the things the GOP are asking to cut are the tiniest parts of the budget.

Let's also stop the insanity by suspending the right to vote of any American who is on welfare. Once they get off welfare and are self-sustaining, they get their right to vote restored.

Sounds like a 'poll tax' to me asshole... Besides, what do you consider "welfare"? Is it Unemployment? I was out of work when the election occurred because my job decided to pull a bunch of shifty bullshiat. I was actively looking for work, which is a requirement, despite what the voices in your head tell you, and I am now re-employed.

So in other words, you draft dodging shiat smearing freak: Fark you and the horse you rode in on, I had every right to vote and I farking exercised that right, so eat a farking dick. You are nobody to try and take away my rights just because I can't blather and get paid for it like you.

SuperT:Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

jso2897:LargeCanine: Privatize Social Security for those under 55, simply buy private insurance for medicaid and medicare people like Switzerland does via block grants to states, eliminate all income taxes and introduce national sales tax so everyone pays including nonprofits and churches, consolodate all the dozens of welfare agencies into one program and require those who sign up also sign a waiver of their adulthood so they can't vote and a gov't appointed parent is assigned to be their guardian.

And fire all cops and close all prisons, releasing the inmates. It's all just psychological welfare for sacred white people, and I can't afford the tax burden anymore. Why shouild I pay to protect your soft, pale ass? Protect your own self - that's why we got a second amendment.

LargeCanine:thepostess: LargeCanine: require those who sign up also sign a waiver of their adulthood so they can't vote and a gov't appointed parent is assigned to be their guardian.

Wait, what?!

There's a sure sign of "Smaller Government".

There are some people who legitimately need help. A guardian can arrange aid, make sure bills are paid, make sure welfare is not being misused and teach life skills.

If welfare infantilizes people, perhaps its a good idea to teach them to be adults.

WHO picks the guardians? And Who pays the financial cost of this stunning example of overreaching of authority? The cost/benefit ratio doesn't seem like it would be worth it. Not everyone who receives assistance needs a farking babysitter. What a colossal waste, FFS

GAT_00:And the GOP reverse-Robin Hood continues. Steal from the poor to give to the rich, that is the GOP economic plan.

Oh, I'll agree with what Teddy wants. Of course then I want copyright returned to it's original term. I also think that then there will have to be inescapable war taxes that will hit the "rich" the hardest to pay for that awesome military. I could go on, but the first one would probably cause Ted to have a massive stroke.

LargeCanine:jso2897: LargeCanine: Privatize Social Security for those under 55, simply buy private insurance for medicaid and medicare people like Switzerland does via block grants to states, eliminate all income taxes and introduce national sales tax so everyone pays including nonprofits and churches, consolodate all the dozens of welfare agencies into one program and require those who sign up also sign a waiver of their adulthood so they can't vote and a gov't appointed parent is assigned to be their guardian.

And fire all cops and close all prisons, releasing the inmates. It's all just psychological welfare for sacred white people, and I can't afford the tax burden anymore. Why shouild I pay to protect your soft, pale ass? Protect your own self - that's why we got a second amendment.

thepostess:LargeCanine: thepostess: LargeCanine: require those who sign up also sign a waiver of their adulthood so they can't vote and a gov't appointed parent is assigned to be their guardian.

Wait, what?!

There's a sure sign of "Smaller Government".

There are some people who legitimately need help. A guardian can arrange aid, make sure bills are paid, make sure welfare is not being misused and teach life skills.

If welfare infantilizes people, perhaps its a good idea to teach them to be adults.

WHO picks the guardians? And Who pays the financial cost of this stunning example of overreaching of authority? The cost/benefit ratio doesn't seem like it would be worth it. Not everyone who receives assistance needs a farking babysitter. What a colossal waste, FFS

There are already have social workers paid by the gov't. We spend enormous amounts of money on welfare, much of it wasted with duplicate programs and overhead, a great deal more on people who really are not in need. The point of consolidating is to save money, rationalize services and simply the effort. A Guardian would be responsible for the individual dependant, seeing to it that needs are met and working to get people off welfare. They are not babysitters.

DeaH:SuperT: Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

I live downtown cinci now. (well, newport, but basically downtown, closer to the ballparks than most of OTR.) the last thing we need is more roads. the first thing we need is a real subway system following the interstates. but you know, that would be growth for the inner city and vitality for the whole area. can't have that.

As a welfare queen I want everyone to know I have a solid gold toilet that is paid for by the hard working tax payers who are complete suckers. Additionally I have 13 children by 13 different fathers and each one of them brings in 10,000 dollars an hour from those working class joes on Wall Street who are slaving away at their desks, just barely able to feed their families. Now if you will excuse me I need to be at the welfare office in 26 minutes where I will get a huge check which I will use to purchase some diamond rims for my dope ride.

I put this in the comments on the link, but it looks like the admin(s) deleted it. So, I'll just leave it here.

So, according to Ted, my mother, who worked low paying jobs for 35 years, raised 2 kids on her own, and would still be working today if she weren't disabled from severe rheumatoid arthritis should be cut off from her SSI (that she paid into for those 35 years) and welfare, left with no income whatsoever, and lose her right to vote. You know what, Ted? F*ck you. Oh, and you're a "Motown guitar slayer"? biatch, please....

really? and when the capital classes figure out they don't have to worry about the proles voting against them if they hold the economy(their jobs) hostage? You thought "vote for X or it will be bad for our company" was sketchy, imagine giving them not only a quasi legal way to do that, but a way to ensure their opposition can't vote at all.

what then? This idea that a person has no worth unless they have wealth, and then denying them opportunity to make it, is twisted.

Soon there will be a time when there simply is not enough human necessary labor to go around, what then? do we dig holes and fill them in everyday just to justify living?

Republicans would never win an election. There's plenty of welfare the redcoats receive but don't know they receive. The big ones are in the form of Medicare and Medicaid rural and disproportionate share programs, S-CHIP, and farm subsidies. I'm fully in favor of eliminating these programs for the redcoat states temporarily. It's the only way they are going to come to the realize just how much they rely on the rest of the country for support. As it stands now, the redcoats believe they are out there on their own. Let them have a taste of being truly on their own. Let them eat cake for awhile.

SuperT:DeaH: SuperT: Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

I live downtown cinci now. (well, newport, but basically downtown, closer to the ballparks than most of OTR.) the last thing we need is more roads. the first thing we need is a real subway system following the interstates. but you know, that would be growth for the inner city and vitality for the whole area. can't have that.

I'd say something Cincy needs is a new bridge before the Brent Spence collapses.

So he purposes that the working class are the ones who gets to vote, this seems fair, I mean if the workers are the ones that are paying the taxes and basically keeps the government working, you could say it's the workers who control the government since they are the ones casting the votes at that point. Maybe workers of a certain field could ban together, like say farmers or steelworkers, perhaps they can form some sort of "workers council" where these workers vote for a group of individuals directly to the government to ensure their voice is heard. Of course the term workers council is kinda sloppy, we should find a simpler term that fits in to a nice sound bite for the digital age, maybe we can use the Russian term...soviet.

dennysgod:So he purposes that the working class are the ones who gets to vote, this seems fair, I mean if the workers are the ones that are paying the taxes and basically keeps the government working, you could say it's the workers who control the government since they are the ones casting the votes at that point. Maybe workers of a certain field could ban together, like say farmers or steelworkers, perhaps they can form some sort of "workers council" where these workers vote for a group of individuals directly to the government to ensure their voice is heard. Of course the term workers council is kinda sloppy, we should find a simpler term that fits in to a nice sound bite for the digital age, maybe we can use the Russian term...soviet.

I liked this until the end when it was given away. Should have dragged it out a bit more and tried to see who would catch on. If you had cut off the last sentence it would have been perfect.

dustman81:SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

I live downtown cinci now. (well, newport, but basically downtown, closer to the ballparks than most of OTR.) the last thing we need is more roads. the first thing we need is a real subway system following the interstates. but you know, that would be growth for the inner city and vitality for the whole area. can't have that.

I'd say something Cincy needs is a new bridge before the Brent Spence collapses.

it's not in danger of collapse, it's too narrow for the lanes they have painted on it. the shoulders are half as wide as they should be, it's just not big enough for the traffic. a new bridge is going to up, but it's a cluster fark. They want to make it a toll bridge, I heard ohio wants to get out of paying for the bulk of it (KY owns all the bridges afaik), etc. they say it won't be done until 2020 or later. fark that shiat. light rail. the answer to the bridge problem is to reduce the amount of cars that go over it.

SuperT:DeaH: SuperT: Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

I live downtown cinci now. (well, newport, but basically downtown, closer to the ballparks than most of OTR.) the last thing we need is more roads. the first thing we need is a real subway system following the interstates. but you know, that would be growth for the inner city and vitality for the whole area. can't have that.

I live in Dayton. We lost our last Fortune 500 company to Georgia (they offered $100 million in tax credits if NCR would move their WHQ to Georgia - and a heliport for the president who will continue to live in Manhattan). The high-speed rail from Cincy-Dayton-Columbus-Cleavland would have really helped those of us who had to stay because our homes were upside-down. I've been lucky enough to do remote contracts, but I think I am going to have to take something in mid-town Columbus. I am going to be on the road four five to six hours a day. I really, really hate Kasich.

DeaH:SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

I live downtown cinci now. (well, newport, but basically downtown, closer to the ballparks than most of OTR.) the last thing we need is more roads. the first thing we need is a real subway system following the interstates. but you know, that would be growth for the inner city and vitality for the whole area. can't have that.

I live in Dayton. We lost our last Fortune 500 company to Georgia (they offered $100 million in tax credits if NCR would move their WHQ to Georgia - and a heliport for the president who will continue to live in Manhattan). The high-speed rail from Cincy-Dayton-Columbus-Cleavland would have really helped those of us who had to stay because our homes were upside-down. I've been lucky enough to do remote contracts, but I think I am going to have to take something in mid-town Columbus. I am going to be on the road four five to six hours a day. I real ...

yea, these "tax credit" deals are farking up everything. It's like having a china in the south. And these tax deals hardly work out for the governments that offer them. it's like taxpayer funding for stadiums. It's why I have to drive all the fark way out to the suburbs for work, because warren county gave companies a bunch of nebulous "tax credits" (that they mostly sold for cash).

DeaH:SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

I live downtown cinci now. (well, newport, but basically downtown, closer to the ballparks than most of OTR.) the last thing we need is more roads. the first thing we need is a real subway system following the interstates. but you know, that would be growth for the inner city and vitality for the whole area. can't have that.

I live in Dayton. We lost our last Fortune 500 company to Georgia (they offered $100 million in tax credits if NCR would move their WHQ to Georgia - and a heliport for the president who will continue to live in Manhattan). The high-speed rail from Cincy-Dayton-Columbus-Cleavland would have really helped those of us who had to stay because our homes were upside-down. I've been lucky enough to do remote contracts, but I think I am going to have to take something in mid-town Columbus. I am going to be on the road four five to six hours a day. I real ...

SuperT:DeaH: SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

I live downtown cinci now. (well, newport, but basically downtown, closer to the ballparks than most of OTR.) the last thing we need is more roads. the first thing we need is a real subway system following the interstates. but you know, that would be growth for the inner city and vitality for the whole area. can't have that.

I live in Dayton. We lost our last Fortune 500 company to Georgia (they offered $100 million in tax credits if NCR would move their WHQ to Georgia - and a heliport for the president who will continue to live in Manhattan). The high-speed rail from Cincy-Dayton-Columbus-Cleavland would have really helped those of us who had to stay because our homes were upside-down. I've been lucky enough to do remote contracts, but I think I am going to have to take something in mid-town Columbus. I am going to be on the road four five to six hours a day. ...

I'm a technical writer, editor, and training developer. I know that's a lot of hats, but I have been really thankful for all of them. I haven't really looked in Cincinnati because of I-75. Of course, most of the work is supposed to be finished by the end of 2013. I still would prefer to take a train. On a train, the time is yours. Every minute behind a wheel is stolen time to me.

DeaH:SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

I live downtown cinci now. (well, newport, but basically downtown, closer to the ballparks than most of OTR.) the last thing we need is more roads. the first thing we need is a real subway system following the interstates. but you know, that would be growth for the inner city and vitality for the whole area. can't have that.

I live in Dayton. We lost our last Fortune 500 company to Georgia (they offered $100 million in tax credits if NCR would move their WHQ to Georgia - and a heliport for the president who will continue to live in Manhattan). The high-speed rail from Cincy-Dayton-Columbus-Cleavland would have really helped those of us who had to stay because our homes were upside-down. I've been lucky enough to do remote contracts, but I think I am going to have to take something in mid-town Columbus. I am going to be on the road four five to six hours ...

You a family man? if not, then downtown or NKY might be an option. (you can raise a family downtown, but lots of people don't want to, so I ask). Kroger's HQ is here, as is Procter and Gamble, Macy's etc. We have the new casino opening next year, and have some startups going on too.

I know being upside down on the home sucks, but your time is worth more than that. I don't have any solutions, but maybe rent it? what about those federal programs to help out mortgages in that situation?

really? and when the capital classes figure out they don't have to worry about the proles voting against them if they hold the economy(their jobs) hostage? You thought "vote for X or it will be bad for our company" was sketchy, imagine giving them not only a quasi legal way to do that, but a way to ensure their opposition can't vote at all.

what then? This idea that a person has no worth unless they have wealth, and then denying them opportunity to make it, is twisted.

Soon there will be a time when there simply is not enough human necessary labor to go around, what then? do we dig holes and fill them in everyday just to justify living?

and that is any better than people voting for those that give the poor more entitlements & welfare how?

Republicans would never win an election. There's plenty of welfare the redcoats receive but don't know they receive. The big ones are in the form of Medicare and Medicaid rural and disproportionate share programs, S-CHIP, and farm subsidies. I'm fully in favor of eliminating these programs for the redcoat states temporarily. It's the only way they are going to come to the realize just how much they rely on the rest of the country for support. As it stands now, the redcoats believe they are out there on their own. Let them have a taste of being truly on their own. Let them eat cake for awhile.

Republicans would never win an election.Republicans would never win an election.Republicans would never win an election.Republicans would never win an election.Republicans would never win an election.

With Democrats being the majority on welfare & Government handouts... how would this be?

vegasj:SuperT: vegasj: I agree on the no voting if you are on welfare...

the rest I'm not sure about.

really? and when the capital classes figure out they don't have to worry about the proles voting against them if they hold the economy(their jobs) hostage? You thought "vote for X or it will be bad for our company" was sketchy, imagine giving them not only a quasi legal way to do that, but a way to ensure their opposition can't vote at all.

what then? This idea that a person has no worth unless they have wealth, and then denying them opportunity to make it, is twisted.

Soon there will be a time when there simply is not enough human necessary labor to go around, what then? do we dig holes and fill them in everyday just to justify living?

and that is any better than people voting for those that give the poor more entitlements & welfare how?

Doc Lee: vegasj: I agree on the no voting if you are on welfare...

the rest I'm not sure about.

Republicans would never win an election. There's plenty of welfare the redcoats receive but don't know they receive. The big ones are in the form of Medicare and Medicaid rural and disproportionate share programs, S-CHIP, and farm subsidies. I'm fully in favor of eliminating these programs for the redcoat states temporarily. It's the only way they are going to come to the realize just how much they rely on the rest of the country for support. As it stands now, the redcoats believe they are out there on their own. Let them have a taste of being truly on their own. Let them eat cake for awhile.

Republicans would never win an election.Republicans would never win an election.Republicans would never win an election.Republicans would never win an election.Republicans would never win an election.

With Democrats being the majority on welfare & Government handouts... how would this be?

how is it better? are you serious? fark you, move to somallia already you shiat bag.

I'm sure you think you're some sort of super galt, self made Übermensch, well, prove it. Go live somewhere without the support structure of a society. You really think cutting the poor getting welfare is going to fix anything, you have no sense of scale. If you think the poor are the only ones who get welfare, you have no sense period. Entitlements? fark you, my grandfather fought for this country, was his VA care after being wounded in combat an entitlement? he paid into medicare and SS his entire working life, so have I. Is using something you paid for an entitlement? if so, fark you, you piece of shiat.

SuperT:DeaH: SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

I live downtown cinci now. (well, newport, but basically downtown, closer to the ballparks than most of OTR.) the last thing we need is more roads. the first thing we need is a real subway system following the interstates. but you know, that would be growth for the inner city and vitality for the whole area. can't have that.

I live in Dayton. We lost our last Fortune 500 company to Georgia (they offered $100 million in tax credits if NCR would move their WHQ to Georgia - and a heliport for the president who will continue to live in Manhattan). The high-speed rail from Cincy-Dayton-Columbus-Cleavland would have really helped those of us who had to stay because our homes were upside-down. I've been lucky enough to do remote contracts, but I think I am going to have to take something in mid-town Columbus. I am going to be on the road four five to six ...

Three Crooked Squirrels:cameroncrazy1984: vernonFL: I thought Ted would have moved to Canada or killed himself if Obama won.

Too bad.

Wait, didn't he say something along those lines? Or am I confusing him with another coward.

Ted Nugent Countdown Clock

Let's not beat around the bush. What he meant was that he was going to make an attempt on the President's life. He's either going to be dead - because the Secret Service would have gotten him during the attempt -or- he's going to be successful and they arrested him.

DeaH:SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: DeaH: SuperT: Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

I live downtown cinci now. (well, newport, but basically downtown, closer to the ballparks than most of OTR.) the last thing we need is more roads. the first thing we need is a real subway system following the interstates. but you know, that would be growth for the inner city and vitality for the whole area. can't have that.

I live in Dayton. We lost our last Fortune 500 company to Georgia (they offered $100 million in tax credits if NCR would move their WHQ to Georgia - and a heliport for the president who will continue to live in Manhattan). The high-speed rail from Cincy-Dayton-Columbus-Cleavland would have really helped those of us who had to stay because our homes were upside-down. I've been lucky enough to do remote contracts, but I think I am going to have to take something in mid-town Columbus. I am going to be on the road four fiv ...

no problem. Cincy is coming back, we need good people to move here. And to the city too, not the boonies ;)

SuperT:I'm sure you think you're some sort of super galt, self made Übermensch, well, prove it. Go live somewhere without the support structure of a society. You really think cutting the poor getting welfare is going to fix anything, you have no sense of scale. If you think the poor are the only ones who get welfare, you have no sense period. Entitlements? fark you, my grandfather fought for this country, was his VA care after being wounded in combat an entitlement? he paid into medicare and SS his entire working life, so have I. Is using something you paid for an entitlement? if so, fark you, you piece of shiat.

1st, You should calm the fark down spanky.

You are not the only one with a grandfather who fought for the country. Mine did too, actually... all farking 4 of them. My mom's dad, dad's dad, step dad's dad, & step mom's dad. Also uncles have served, 1 of them did 3 tours in Nam... once drafted, then he went back TWICE because he still had friends over there. So, fark you on that.

2nd, WHERE THE FARK DID I SAY CUT OFF ENTITLEMENTS??

I said if ON welfare, no vote... I agreed with that. When people can vote themselves the politician who offers more welfare, they will win by default & will always win as long as they can offer up more handouts.

3rd, who the fark are you calling a piece of shiat you little snot nosed douchebag cum guzzler? You don't know me.

vegasj:SuperT: I'm sure you think you're some sort of super galt, self made Übermensch, well, prove it. Go live somewhere without the support structure of a society. You really think cutting the poor getting welfare is going to fix anything, you have no sense of scale. If you think the poor are the only ones who get welfare, you have no sense period. Entitlements? fark you, my grandfather fought for this country, was his VA care after being wounded in combat an entitlement? he paid into medicare and SS his entire working life, so have I. Is using something you paid for an entitlement? if so, fark you, you piece of shiat.

1st, You should calm the fark down spanky.

You are not the only one with a grandfather who fought for the country. Mine did too, actually... all farking 4 of them. My mom's dad, dad's dad, step dad's dad, & step mom's dad. Also uncles have served, 1 of them did 3 tours in Nam... once drafted, then he went back TWICE because he still had friends over there. So, fark you on that.

2nd, WHERE THE FARK DID I SAY CUT OFF ENTITLEMENTS??

I said if ON welfare, no vote... I agreed with that. When people can vote themselves the politician who offers more welfare, they will win by default & will always win as long as they can offer up more handouts.

3rd, who the fark are you calling a piece of shiat you little snot nosed douchebag cum guzzler? You don't know me.

You're a piece of shiat because you're intellectually dishonest. What do you think the last 30 years were if not handouts to the already rich?

Gyrfalcon:Keizer_Ghidorah: beta_plus: Corvus: beta_plus: Krieghund: beta_plus: //This is what the French actually believe

The French can't hear you, they're busy with their 5 weeks of vacation and 35 hour work weeks.

You have an interesting idea of what's a vacation:

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I went to France during the rioting. It was wonderful. They had armed police on many corners. Felt more safe than most of the time in most cities in the US. My wife and I walked alone everywhere.

You are an idiot who has no farking idea what you are talking.

OOOOH! Look at me! I went on a Eurail trip and saw all the historic preserved European downtowns while ignoring their poor suburbs so that makes me an expert on all of the countries that I went to because there is no way class and racial divisions in other countries could differ from America!!

But don't worry, you really are an expert on all that is "European", because we all know the Champs Ellysee is exactly like a Banlieue.

Just wondering: Are you just butt hurt that you got called out on how you don't like living among the poor or are you really that stupid? I'm invoking Poe's law here.

And BTW - So you think a racist police state is the way to run things. Well, at least you are willing to show your true liberal face - I'll give you that.

LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS!

Try looking at the world with your own eyes, listening with your own ears, and thinking with your own brain once in a while.

Can't use what you don't have.

Oh so much delicious tears of liberal butt hurt on being called out on your ignorance of your precious Europe.

/You know what your precious Europe gave the world?//Ethnic Cleansing, Concentration Camps, and Genocide - and the Godwin kind was just a certain flavor! They have much more than 31 of them!///Nothing more European than a mile long train full of people to be gassed!

/You know what your precious Europe gave the world?//Ethnic Cleansing, Concentration Camps, and Genocide - and the Godwin kind was just a certain flavor! They have much more than 31 of them!///Nothing more European than a mile long train full of people to be gassed!

The fark are you talking about? I was speaking in general. Stop worshiping Rush, Hannity, and FOX News so much and look at the real world. And you really need to lay off the sugar, dude, it doesn't help your insane rantings at all.

Also, maybe Republicans should try making a budget of their own instead of filibustering everything they can because of their hate and spite for America. They have the House, and the House's job is to make budgets. They also need to stop slobbering all over the military and cut the defense budget.

vegasj:I said if ON welfare, no vote... I agreed with that. When people can vote themselves the politician who offers more welfare, they will win by default & will always win as long as they can offer up more handouts.

3rd, who the fark are you calling a piece of shiat you little snot nosed douchebag cum guzzler? You don't know me.

You don't think people on welfare should be able to vote. You kind of sound like a douchebag yourself (no offense).

Umeraken Ideut:Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

I vote FOR a tax when it comes up on local ballots, because I know it'll be put to good use. Then again, I'm not an uneducated moron (ie fiscal conservative).

In this last election, I voted for a local measure (didn't pass) that would have raised my property taxes to repair and rebuild several old, crumbling schools. I have no children of my own and don't plan to, but I too am not an uneducated moron. Taxes, and the things they pay for, are part of the social contract. I will happily pay for school improvements because I value education above just about anything else and I recognize the benefit to society, beyond myself.

shotglasss:Taxing the poor is not a bad idea, a small amount like 2% would bring in billions of dollars that Obama wants to desperately to spend on vacations to get the First Beast out of town so that he can eat like a man instead of the cuck she has turned him into.

Revoking voting for those on welfare is fine if they've been on gubmint checks for more than a year. Once they get off my dime they can vote again.

I should be in the kitchen:Taxes, and the things they pay for, are part of the social contract. I will happily pay for school improvements because I value education above just about anything else and I recognize the benefit to society, beyond myself.

Ted Nugent is what happens when you take a redneck, with an already borderline personality, give him lots of money and let him surround himself with only those people who will agree with every single thing he says.

beta_plus:/You know what your precious Europe gave the world?//Ethnic Cleansing, Concentration Camps, and Genocide - and the Godwin kind was just a certain flavor! They have much more than 31 of them!///Nothing more European than a mile long train full of people to be gassed!

It's sickening that you sound so happy about it.

It's amusing that you're stuck in 1939 and don't seem to realize it.

(There's been genocide in Europe a lot more recently than "gassings" you know. Maybe you should catch up on recent history)

I don't know, there's some legitimate merit to denying the right to vote for people on welfare. It's a huge conflict of political interest. A politician promises better benefits, boom, there goes your vote to them if you're on welfare. Nor should they really have any power to affect those of us in the country who actually contribute to it financially. Odds are if you're on welfare anyways, your ability to make decisions is awful.

Eddie Adams from Torrance:We are more than $16 trillion in debt today, and estimates are that America will be $22 trillion in debt at the end of this president's second term. If that's not a certifiable, titanic financial disaster, someone please tell the American public what is.

Donnchadha:Cyberluddite: Donnchadha: A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

Except, you know, in the last election, when Prop 30 was approved. I can see how that might be forgotten, though, since it was damn near a month ago.

Fark if I know that. I don't live there.

Not only did Prop 30 just get passed, but the CA state legislature can pass tax hikes on their own with a 2/3 majority.

I'm unclear on his plan here. He wants to take away the right to vote from anyone who doesn't work and he also wants to take away people's ability to not vote. All he'll do is end up with a lot more voters, and they are going to be pissed. How could this plan *possibly* work out?

Raising taxes on the wealthy, closing loopholes and eliminating deductions is analogous to seeing Michelangelo's very first short paint stroke on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and claiming it's a masterpiece.

m1ke:I feel dirty for agreeing with this one part of his incoherent ramble: "Every federal agency and department should be required to take an immediate, real 15 percent cut in its budget - no funny accounting tricks, but a real 15 percent cut."

And I stand corrected with my correction last night. I told you I hadn't slept.

If you do away with voting for those getting government handouts... how will republican never win? MORE Dems are on welfare than republicans. case closed.

Pincy:You don't think people on welfare should be able to vote. You kind of sound like a douchebag yourself (no offense).

None taken. But you really think it is right that people receiving "free" money (via the people who do work & pay the taxes that feed these programs) should be able to vote for their candidate (or vote 'D' across the board) when these candidates promise to give them more "free" money (handouts)?

In addition to slaughtering the three sacred entitlement cows that consume a vast majority of the federal budget (and I use the term budget generously), let's truly spread the pain around and raise taxes on everyone, including the nearly 50 percent of Americans who pay zero federal income taxes. Those Americans need to have some skin in the game, too. I recommend at least a 5 percent federal income tax bracket for them. The insane free ride needs to end.

See those tiniest slivers on the right there. Those are what you are talking about. You can never get about 1.5 trillion from 500 billion. People don't understand that the things the GOP are asking to cut are the tiniest parts of the budget.

I wasn't trying to get 1.5 trillion. I was just saying that I agree with a 15% cut in budgets across the board. "Your budget was 1 billion yesterday? Ok well going forward it is 850 million."

vegasj:...when these candidates promise to give them more "free" money (handouts)?

Although this talking point has been thrown around a lot over the last couple of years, can you show any examples of actual candidates campaigning on giving more "free" money to poor people? Not accusations from the opposition. I'm asking for examples of actual promises of free money.

I'm just waiting for the news story where Nugent is killed by his own crossbow."He was cleaning it and it went off, shooting himself through the brain, killing him instantly.""It might have been suicide says one close friend."

ilambiquated:m1ke: I feel dirty for agreeing with this one part of his incoherent ramble: "Every federal agency and department should be required to take an immediate, real 15 percent cut in its budget - no funny accounting tricks, but a real 15 percent cut."

Even defense?

15% Across the board cuts would generate roughly $520 billion in savings or roughly half of our deficit spending. Taxes must be raised on those that can afford to pay by a bunch just to come close to balancing the budget.

Terrible Old Man:I don't know, there's some legitimate merit to denying the right to vote for people on welfare. It's a huge conflict of political interest. A politician promises better benefits, boom, there goes your vote to them if you're on welfare. Nor should they really have any power to affect those of us in the country who actually contribute to it financially. Odds are if you're on welfare anyways, your ability to make decisions is awful.The rest of what Nugent says is pretty laughable.

"So, what about those who are disabled so they have no choice but to go on Disability because they cannot work? Is Der NugentFuhrer also going to declare them as Unfit and tear away their right to vote as well?

For a guy who screams & whines about the Constitution so much, he sure has some seriously anti-Constitutional daydreams."

Donnchadha:Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

We vote against every tax because we're already have the fourth highest taxes in the entire country. We're broke because every stupid idea ever imagined is given funding via the initiative process. Unlike your typical Californian, I understand basic math, so I vote against all those funding initiatives. Unfortunately, I am vastly outnumbered.

And I stand corrected with my correction last night. I told you I hadn't slept.

If you do away with voting for those getting government handouts... how will republican never win? MORE Dems are on welfare than republicans. case closed.Pincy: You don't think people on welfare should be able to vote. You kind of sound like a douchebag yourself (no offense).None taken. But you really think it is right that people receiving "free" money (via the people who do work & pay the taxes that feed these programs) should be able to vote for their candidate (or vote 'D' across the board) when these candidates promise to give them more "free" money (handouts)?

I don't

I like how your blog sources itself for the information and considers Unemployment the same as welfare.