of grand bargain we're going to need to come to aftertheelection. ascarl said, whoever is president will have to lay out a long, hard slog ahead and we need math that works. that means probably raising taxes or at least cutting some loopholes and making the tax code simpler, raising revenue, making some investments but maybe curbing entitlements. >> i want to bring in ralph nader, three-time presidential candidate and author of the new book called "the 17 solutions." always good to have you on the program. thanks for being here. mitt romney is painting himself as a defender of the middle class. he says he won't raise taxes on the middle class, won't cut education. has a plan to cover people with pre-existing conditions. is this the real mitt romney? give us your take on this economic debate. >> it's clearly the new fake romney on the debate and president obama couldn't adjust in time. he said what's this? and i think it's the old romney that counts. i think the 47% really reflected his plutocratic personality, and he still has tattend to his bas, which is the primary base. that's wh