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Hello, Just wanted to say goodbye. I won't really cancel my membership here, but I just felt that most of my threads got ignored these days and gets buried in the back never to be retrieved, also, I know most people are sick of me whinning about things, spamming with all the nonsense(including my less than stellar pics), and all the craps I posted here, so I felt it is time for me to take a break. I already post in more than 16 - 20 boards, so, for now, I will be focusing more on improving my 3 sites, and decided to part with so many great people I met here.

I may come back later(god knows when), but I guess, I will take some rest for now. I know most people hate me here, so I will just take some time off for now to cool off and for those people to forget me.

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For the 8,463rd time I am going to rant about how if people dont like a forum (not just this one, any forum) they really shouldn't bother posting threads about how they're leaving and why they're leaving. If you're leaving, leave, people may notice, they may not, but posting junk like this just appears to be a plea for attention. I would recommend that nobody else reply to this thread (I know I am almost as big a hypocrite as certain members we have here) because a member who doesn't want to be around wont read it anyways, right? And if they do read it and reply to it, it just means they did want to be around, they just wanted some attention, so leaving replies would just validate them.

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Intercom: This concludes the safest part of your journey. Thank you for surfing C&G Airlines. As we indicated at the start of the flight, we at C&G Airlines are bitter about the career paths we have taken, and we do then to take that out on our members. We at C&G Airlines realize that in your online plans you have a choice of many discussion boards, but we'd like to thank you for surfing the GM skinned boards of Cheers & Gears.

Stewardess: Buh-bye. I'm sorry, what part didn't you understand - the buh or the bye? Buh-bye.

Steward: Buh-bye.

Passenger 3: Hi, I'm getting a connecting flight to Denver, and I was wondering if you know the gate?

Stewardess: Buh-bye.

Passenger 3: Yeah, I'm.. I'm just about..

Stewardess: Buh-bye.

Passenger 3: But if you just wait..

Stewardess: Buh-bye.

Steward: Buh-bye. Buh-bye. You're very heavy.

Passenger 4: [ angry ] What did you say to me?!

Steward: [ defensive ] What?! I said "Buh-bye!" I just said "Buh-bye" 40 times in a row, why would I say anything else, it doesn't make sense! Did I just say something without knowing it? No! Go! Buh-bye!

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Intercom: This concludes the safest part of your journey. Thank you for surfing C&G Airlines. As we indicated at the start of the flight, we at C&G Airlines are bitter about the career paths we have taken, and we do then to take that out on our members. We at C&G Airlines realize that in your online plans you have a choice of many discussion boards, but we'd like to thank you for surfing the GM skinned boards of Cheers & Gears.

Stewardess: Buh-bye. I'm sorry, what part didn't you understand - the buh or the bye? Buh-bye.

Steward: Buh-bye.

Passenger 3: Hi, I'm getting a connecting flight to Denver, and I was wondering if you know the gate?

Stewardess: Buh-bye.

Passenger 3: Yeah, I'm.. I'm just about..

Stewardess: Buh-bye.

Passenger 3: But if you just wait..

Stewardess: Buh-bye.

Steward: Buh-bye. Buh-bye. You're very heavy.

Passenger 4: [ angry ] What did you say to me?!

Steward: [ defensive ] What?! I said "Buh-bye!" I just said "Buh-bye" 40 times in a row, why would I say anything else, it doesn't make sense! Did I just say something without knowing it? No! Go! Buh-bye!

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Intercom: This concludes the safest part of your journey. Thank you for surfing C&G Airlines. As we indicated at the start of the flight, we at C&G Airlines are bitter about the career paths we have taken, and we do then to take that out on our members. We at C&G Airlines realize that in your online plans you have a choice of many discussion boards, but we'd like to thank you for surfing the GM skinned boards of Cheers & Gears.

Stewardess: Buh-bye. I'm sorry, what part didn't you understand - the buh or the bye? Buh-bye.

Steward: Buh-bye.

Passenger 3: Hi, I'm getting a connecting flight to Denver, and I was wondering if you know the gate?

Stewardess: Buh-bye.

Passenger 3: Yeah, I'm.. I'm just about..

Stewardess: Buh-bye.

Passenger 3: But if you just wait..

Stewardess: Buh-bye.

Steward: Buh-bye. Buh-bye. You're very heavy.

Passenger 4: [ angry ] What did you say to me?!

Steward: [ defensive ] What?! I said "Buh-bye!" I just said "Buh-bye" 40 times in a row, why would I say anything else, it doesn't make sense! Did I just say something without knowing it? No! Go! Buh-bye!

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Actually no, but when I read the sob story above I just thought "buh bye", and then my brain went to the SNL skit, then I got the net and found the words to it, changed them around a bit, and voila, a masterpiece.

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Here's my rant... It's somewhat cryptic and generalized but people are getting heated around here... and it's a good a time as any to get this off my chest.

I think a problem that several mods,members,admins,etc all have at the moment is that GM is in the process of making changes (some are probably dramatic) and we're all having difficulty understanding and adjusting to the logic driving the changes (both business wise and ethical.)

It is not one person (member, mod, admin, etc) making these decisions... least of all the staff here at C&G. We're all watching the train pass with the rest of you... whether it wrecks or not is unknown.

C&G has always had an outspoken audience for GM of old. Not just reliving the good-old days, but also in trying to modernize GM's legacy offerings to be legitimate vehicles in today's market.

The problem is, the market has changed. Can a brand change to survive in today's market? If it can, is it the same brand or did it sell its soul in the process? Oldsmobile did all of that and the price was too great.

Should all of GM's other brands attempt the same? Honestly, would a SC 4-cyl RWD compact coupe or sedan say Pontiac? Isn't it the farthest thing from a V8 Trans-Am muscle car? If people are willing to accept those changes to allow Pontiac to survive then what other heirloom vehicles are people willing to sacrifice for a brand to have a chance of survival in the 21st Century?

The G8 is nothing like any Pontiac that's existed in my lifetime. That's over 30 years. But... I do think it's a good match for Pontiac. Is it enough? No. what would be enough? Is there anything that would be enough?

Chevrolet's "dowdy" Caprice & "modern" Lumina were Chevrolet's flagships when I started noticing Chevrolet. I gagged when looking at them. Only in a certain trim did the Caprice look alright (Impala SS) but it didn't help the rest of Chevrolet's line-up from looking cheap and cobbled together. Corsica, Beretta, Lumina, Cavalier etc... were far from class leading in many respects. Many on C&G were Chevrolet fans while these cars sat on dealer's lots. Considering the dramatic improvement of Chevrolet's line-up, why turn your back on the brand now? Regardless if the Impala stays FWD or disappears altogether, Chevrolet is in far better shape than it has been in decades.

GM's survival and success doesn't ride on a single platform... there's no "K-car" that will destroy or make GM. GM's legs are deeply entrenched in dozens of markets across the world that form the foundation of this company. With the demand for alternative fuel sources increasing across the globe, fuel efficiency is top priority. That has less to do with any platform, but with engineering capabilities. Like it or not, GME is leading in that area. European manufacturers in general have been researching alternatives for decades. Infrastructures for the delivery of many alternative fuels are further along in Europe than in the US. Those markets have provided the experience of what can work and what doesn't.

A thought to throw out… What if the UV8 and certain Zeta models were canceled because of such a formerly unbelievable idea. What if GM now plans to make a line of flagship vehicles based of the Sequel or Hy-Wire strategies? Autonomy skateboard flagships coming our way? Who knows at the moment…

None of us know everything that's going on but we need to keep our opinions, assumptions, and fears in perspective as things begin to change and adjust. We each have the right to agree or disapprove of the changes, but we shouldn't take those aggressions out on each other. We shouldn't become so personal where a member, mod, admin, etc is viewed as the enemy. GM was not, does not, and never will be run strictly by one individual's vision. Even Durant was voted off the island more than once.

We're all customers or potential customers. As a business GM will continue with the goal to provide products that the market will buy (or products they don't know they want to buy yet. ) There's always hope for anything and everything... but for the love of all things, direct that energy toward GM and not at a particular member, mod, admin, or C&G as a whole.

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Here's my rant... It's somewhat cryptic and generalized but people are getting heated around here... and it's a good a time as any to get this off my chest.

I think a problem that several mods,members,admins,etc all have at the moment is that GM is in the process of making changes (some are probably dramatic) and we're all having difficulty understanding and adjusting to the logic driving the changes (both business wise and ethical.)

It is not one person (member, mod, admin, etc) making these decisions... least of all the staff here at C&G. We're all watching the train pass with the rest of you... whether it wrecks or not is unknown.

C&G has always had an outspoken audience for GM of old. Not just reliving the good-old days, but also in trying to modernize GM's legacy offerings to be legitimate vehicles in today's market.

The problem is, the market has changed. Can a brand change to survive in today's market? If it can, is it the same brand or did it sell its soul in the process? Oldsmobile did all of that and the price was too great.

Should all of GM's other brands attempt the same? Honestly, would a SC 4-cyl RWD compact coupe or sedan say Pontiac? Isn't it the farthest thing from a V8 Trans-Am muscle car? If people are willing to accept those changes to allow Pontiac to survive then what other heirloom vehicles are people willing to sacrifice for a brand to have a chance of survival in the 21st Century?

The G8 is nothing like any Pontiac that's existed in my lifetime. That's over 30 years. But... I do think it's a good match for Pontiac. Is it enough? No. what would be enough? Is there anything that would be enough?

Chevrolet's "dowdy" Caprice & "modern" Lumina were Chevrolet's flagships when I started noticing Chevrolet. I gagged when looking at them. Only in a certain trim did the Caprice look alright (Impala SS) but it didn't help the rest of Chevrolet's line-up from looking cheap and cobbled together. Corsica, Beretta, Lumina, Cavalier etc... were far from class leading in many respects. Many on C&G were Chevrolet fans while these cars sat on dealer's lots. Considering the dramatic improvement of Chevrolet's line-up, why turn your back on the brand now? Regardless if the Impala stays FWD or disappears altogether, Chevrolet is in far better shape than it has been in decades.

GM's survival and success doesn't ride on a single platform... there's no "K-car" that will destroy or make GM. GM's legs are deeply entrenched in dozens of markets across the world that form the foundation of this company. With the demand for alternative fuel sources increasing across the globe, fuel efficiency is top priority. That has less to do with any platform, but with engineering capabilities. Like it or not, GME is leading in that area. European manufacturers in general have been researching alternatives for decades. Infrastructures for the delivery of many alternative fuels are further along in Europe than in the US. Those markets have provided the experience of what can work and what doesn't.

A thought to throw out… What if the UV8 and certain Zeta models were canceled because of such a formerly unbelievable idea. What if GM now plans to make a line of flagship vehicles based of the Sequel or Hy-Wire strategies? Autonomy skateboard flagships coming our way? Who knows at the moment…

None of us know everything that's going on but we need to keep our opinions, assumptions, and fears in perspective as things begin to change and adjust. We each have the right to agree or disapprove of the changes, but we shouldn't take those aggressions out on each other. We shouldn't become so personal where a member, mod, admin, etc is viewed as the enemy. GM was not, does not, and never will be run strictly by one individual's vision. Even Durant was voted off the island more than once.

We're all customers or potential customers. As a business GM will continue with the goal to provide products that the market will buy (or products they don't know they want to buy yet. ) There's always hope for anything and everything... but for the love of all things, direct that energy toward GM and not at a particular member, mod, admin, or C&G as a whole.

A good note. Now tell me the real reason why Fly is underground? . It seems like he is gone hiding, not posting anymore, neither took part in the major shake up of the website. Is he a Toy fanboy now and you booted him?

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A good note. Now tell me the real reason why Fly is underground? . It seems like he is gone hiding, not posting anymore, neither took part in the major shake up of the website. Is he a Toy fanboy now and you booted him?

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Here's my rant... It's somewhat cryptic and generalized but people are getting heated around here... and it's a good a time as any to get this off my chest.

I think a problem that several mods,members,admins,etc all have at the moment is that GM is in the process of making changes (some are probably dramatic) and we're all having difficulty understanding and adjusting to the logic driving the changes (both business wise and ethical.)

It is not one person (member, mod, admin, etc) making these decisions... least of all the staff here at C&G. We're all watching the train pass with the rest of you... whether it wrecks or not is unknown.

C&G has always had an outspoken audience for GM of old. Not just reliving the good-old days, but also in trying to modernize GM's legacy offerings to be legitimate vehicles in today's market.

The problem is, the market has changed. Can a brand change to survive in today's market? If it can, is it the same brand or did it sell its soul in the process? Oldsmobile did all of that and the price was too great.

Should all of GM's other brands attempt the same? Honestly, would a SC 4-cyl RWD compact coupe or sedan say Pontiac? Isn't it the farthest thing from a V8 Trans-Am muscle car? If people are willing to accept those changes to allow Pontiac to survive then what other heirloom vehicles are people willing to sacrifice for a brand to have a chance of survival in the 21st Century?

The G8 is nothing like any Pontiac that's existed in my lifetime. That's over 30 years. But... I do think it's a good match for Pontiac. Is it enough? No. what would be enough? Is there anything that would be enough?

Chevrolet's "dowdy" Caprice & "modern" Lumina were Chevrolet's flagships when I started noticing Chevrolet. I gagged when looking at them. Only in a certain trim did the Caprice look alright (Impala SS) but it didn't help the rest of Chevrolet's line-up from looking cheap and cobbled together. Corsica, Beretta, Lumina, Cavalier etc... were far from class leading in many respects. Many on C&G were Chevrolet fans while these cars sat on dealer's lots. Considering the dramatic improvement of Chevrolet's line-up, why turn your back on the brand now? Regardless if the Impala stays FWD or disappears altogether, Chevrolet is in far better shape than it has been in decades.

GM's survival and success doesn't ride on a single platform... there's no "K-car" that will destroy or make GM. GM's legs are deeply entrenched in dozens of markets across the world that form the foundation of this company. With the demand for alternative fuel sources increasing across the globe, fuel efficiency is top priority. That has less to do with any platform, but with engineering capabilities. Like it or not, GME is leading in that area. European manufacturers in general have been researching alternatives for decades. Infrastructures for the delivery of many alternative fuels are further along in Europe than in the US. Those markets have provided the experience of what can work and what doesn't.

A thought to throw out… What if the UV8 and certain Zeta models were canceled because of such a formerly unbelievable idea. What if GM now plans to make a line of flagship vehicles based of the Sequel or Hy-Wire strategies? Autonomy skateboard flagships coming our way? Who knows at the moment…

None of us know everything that's going on but we need to keep our opinions, assumptions, and fears in perspective as things begin to change and adjust. We each have the right to agree or disapprove of the changes, but we shouldn't take those aggressions out on each other. We shouldn't become so personal where a member, mod, admin, etc is viewed as the enemy. GM was not, does not, and never will be run strictly by one individual's vision. Even Durant was voted off the island more than once.

We're all customers or potential customers. As a business GM will continue with the goal to provide products that the market will buy (or products they don't know they want to buy yet. ) There's always hope for anything and everything... but for the love of all things, direct that energy toward GM and not at a particular member, mod, admin, or C&G as a whole.

Good point Ven. With big changes, now is a particularly good time for GM to become a leader in the upcoming changes that each automaker must meet. The market changes with various needs of the people and from legislation. Some are taking it too personally. Cars are not personal, its a business.

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Good point Ven. With big changes, now is a particularly good time for GM to become a leader in the upcoming changes that each automaker must meet. The market changes with various needs of the people and from legislation. Some are taking it too personally. Cars are not personal, its a business.

Agreed... I'll be upset there's no Large RWD cars... I'll be even more upset if Lucerne and Impala aren't replaced at all and just cease to be... but at the end of the day it's a business decision and GM has many other fine cars I would enjoy such as the Aura, 08 Malibu, Acadia, and the 2010 LaCrosse. I rooted for them in 1999, why should I throw in the towel now?

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Many on C&G were Chevrolet fans while these cars sat on dealer's lots. Considering the dramatic improvement of Chevrolet's line-up, why turn your back on the brand now?

*raises eyebrow sharply*

Why?

Oh ... maybe because Ch#$r%*et turned its collective backs on its enthusiasts when it decided to bring out the Ch#$r%*et Corolla/Toyota Nova in the mid-1980s ... and then continued down that path in the 90s and today.

Is Ch#$r%*et in far better shape today than it has been in decades? Oh my yes. Can't argue that. But, that doesn't mean I like ... or, rather, HAVE to like ... what they've done to get there....