And something else came to mind while following this discussion; are you folks overseas aware of concepts like... ehm...
crime scene, evidence or investigation? I'm curious... you know... it looks like
a friggen mess, just in case you missed that detail. And it doesn't really matter how you spin it.

Granted, there was an emergency going on, but why on hell did nobody take pictures of all the evidence they found? Why did seemingly nobody think:
"Hey, they attacked the Pentagon - I wanna put every single piece of plane with all serial numbers in a big museum!" Never crossed your minds?
Also, all video tapes were confiscated. Ok, thanks for saving our data again alphabet agents! But wait... when do we get to see that movie, never
ever? Obfuscation with a lot of smoke, mirrors and hush_hush mentality. Let me put it bluntly: who thinks there was nothing remotely fishy going on at
all?

On a sidenote I tend to throw out Stars like money cause I love this place and it's people, even when I have some... ehm... issues taking some things
without truckloads of see_salt. But I do honour the effort to put up, forbidden knowledge is funny as hell in this context though. Puns intended, all
of 'em.

Have a great time whilst not meddling with 911myths or something and take another piece of Irony Iron!

The documented physical evidence says you are incorrect, which of course, is backed by the fact that after 14 years, there is no evidence that
supports your case.

Where is your math that proves LapTop is wrong?

I have posted it. As I have said, it proved that his math is flawed by the fact that American 77 could not have struck the Pentagon from his NoC
flight path. I also underlined that fact when I posted the photo of the wing marks on the wall of the Pentagon. No swept-winged aircraft in the world
could have made those marks from a NoC flight path.

403'd on second link. Forbidden knowledge brought to us via SkyTV, eh?

Take this as a damning review with regards to your... source.

There is nothing in your link that refutes the facts and evidence from my sources. I also noticed this little write-up from your link.

Griffin also endorses the idea that phone calls from the passengers on Flight 93 may have been voice-morphed. That’s an idea I personally find very
hard to believe. As far as I am aware, no families or co-workers of the passengers have ever expressed any doubts about the authenticity of those
calls. And a convincing voice-morph would have required lengthy voice samples plus familiarity with the person’s idiosyncrasies. That being the
case, it seems to me more likely that the “cell phone” calls were in fact Airfone calls, and that the cell phone vs. Airfone issue was merely
an error in early reports.

Given the fact that I have always stated that the majority of phone calls were made on Airfones, not much more to say.

Been there, just done that (again).

It is apparent that you did not, and to prove it, post it here for all to see.

Granted, there was an emergency going on, but why on hell did nobody take pictures of all the evidence they found? Why did seemingly nobody think:
"Hey, they attacked the Pentagon - I wanna put every single piece of plane with all serial numbers in a big museum!" Never crossed your
minds?

To mark the 10th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks, the National Museum of American History created a special experience for visitors to
view 50 objects from the three sites—New York City; the Pentagon; and Shanksville, Pennsylvania—as well as recent acquisitions related to how
American lives have changed since then. The objects were shown on open tables, without cases, and with limited interpretation. Museum staff was
available to discuss the objects or answer questions, and visitors left their own stories by posting comment cards.

This slideshow offers a close-up look at many of the objects on display and an opportunity to remember and reflect. (

Why would you advertise the full capability of your security cameras on the world stage? Air disasters have been solved without the aid of video
cameras and if you wanted to know what aircraft crashed at the Pentagon, just ask American Airlines. After all, American Airlines announced the loss
of American 77 at the Pentagon.

East Turn Radius = 1639
Bank Angle = arctan(400^2/1639*11.26)
Bank Angle = 83 Degrees*
As I have stated on a number of occasions, a B-757 was incapable of such maneuvering from a NoC flight path in order to cause the documented physical
evidence seen inside and outside the Pentagon.

Inf1958 : You make the claim that LaBTop is wrong, and the fact is, you have failed to prove him wrong.

se409 : It has already been done.

Now that's really enormously gross. See why : my OPs on page 1.
That's a clear case of deliberate FALSIFICATION and EXAGGERATION of other members their RESEARCH data, you are deceitfully switching
speed data from the SoC path its registered 400+ KTS speeds, to falsify the NoC speed.

While that speed was in reality only 250 KTS max, as registered by bank angles of max 35 degrees, described by all valuable 25 NoC eyewitnesses. And
to such an angle can only speeds of 230 to 250 KTS fit, to let these speeds fit also in my drawn curved flight path with a radius of 2054 meters,
that also fits ALL the eyewitness positions. See the drawings and my HONEST ON-LINE bank angle calculations in my OPs on page 1 and 2.

I am puzzled how to counter this kind of dishonesty, when it does not result in any form of corrective intervention.
I am really curious what happens now.

Now that's really enormously gross. See why : my OPs on page 1.
That's a clear case of deliberate FALSIFICATION and EXAGGERATION of other members their RESEARCH data, you are deceitfully switching speed data from
the SoC path its registered 400+ KTS speeds, to falsify the NoC speed.

And to such an angle can only speeds of 230 to 250 KTS fit, to let these speeds fit also in my drawn curved flight path with a radius of 2054 meters,
that also fits ALL the eyewitness positions. See the drawings and my HONEST ON-LINE bank angle calculations in my OPs on page 1 and 2.

That won't fly. American 77 never flew slower than 400 knots in the final seconds before impact. Even at 200 knots during its banking maneuver, it
would have been impossible for the right wing of American 77 to inflict the impact damage seen on the wall of the Pentagon, which indicated that
American 77 was in a slight left bank.

It is very clear that you do not have a case for a NoC flight path. and pilots do not agree with you either, and remember, documented physical
evidence debunks the case for a NoC flight path as well.

The angle of the right wing impact damage clearly indicates that American 77 was in a slight left bank at the time of impact, which proves beyond a
shadow of the doubt that American 77 inflicted that damage from a SoC flight path since it would have been impossible from a NoC flight path

Now, let's go here because from a NoC flight path, it would have been impossible for American 77 to create that punch out hole on the C-ring hole.

East Turn Radius = 1639
Bank Angle = arctan(400^2/1639*11.26)
Bank Angle = 83 Degrees*
As I have stated on a number of occasions, a B-757 was incapable of such maneuvering from a NoC flight path in order to cause the documented physical
evidence seen inside and outside the Pentagon.

Still waiting for your math to prove LapTop is wrong?

You say you provided us with your math, but for the life of me I cant find it? Please show me where you posted your math that debunks LapTop
mathematics?

It proves that his NoC math is incorrect. BTW, you have yet to answer the question as to what struck the Pentagon, so why are you stallling? Could it
be that what your claim conflicts with what LapTop has said?

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