Big government often uses their small brains when they write big laws. There are some laws on the books that are so obscure and ridiculous that I personally have to wonder what drugs they were on when they wrote them. http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/alabama Marijuana laws have alot of political lies surrounding them. The politicians that wrote marijuana laws had a hidden agenda. It was never really about protecting society. The government used scare tactics and lied to make it illegal. Politicians are not always very honest when they write laws. http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why ... a-illegal/

Terri - every thing you say may be true but it does not change the law. Your's is a typical argument for legaling pot. As long as pot is a hallucinogenic drug with no proven benefits, it wll be illegal.

It's so sad that there are still people with blinders on that believe everything they're told by our "always honest government". The truth is, the government has known since 1974 that marijuana can cure cancer. http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpr ... ince-1974/There's been extensive research done on the medicinal and non toxic qualities of this plant. You can keep burying your head in the sand if you want to, but that doesn't change the facts. The fact is, there are enough signatures on the petitions to get this initiative on the ballot.There's a good chance that marijuana will become legal. That may upset you, but just because it may become legal doesn't mean that anyone will force you or anyone else to purchase it. You can continue to cry in your beer.

mesaguy wrote:Periphery - I shiver to think what the world would be like if everyone had "the ability to make their own life style choices" and those choices were from a list that included illegal acts.If your life style choices were to murder, rape and pillage, how would those choices help society. I don't want the government telling me what to do either(Liberals do) but laws are there for a reason and if you don't like them then change them, don't break them just because you don't agree with the laws. It is a Federal crime to buy, sell or smoke pot!

You really do seem to be equating marijuana smoking with rape and murder. No one is asking for the right to rape and murder. Are you crazy?

All people are asking for is the right to use a plant that our founding fathers used. People are asking for the right to use a plant that has been illegal for only 70 years out of over 5,000 years of use. People are asking for the right to use a plant that the government mandated farmers grow at times.

Me personally? I am asking for the right to grow a non-intoxicating plant on my farm to make more money. I want to grow hemp. People like you are the reason I am unable to do so legally.

mesaguy wrote:Rupert - I am not sure what you wrote and don't understand you comment. I commented on Periphery's stating that we should have a choice of our lifestyle regardless if it were illegal or not. I never associated pot smoking to noting. You are obviously one of those who believe that people under the influence of smoking pot have never done anything illegal or hurt anyone in any way. I do not agree that smoking pot does not harm anyone but the user.

You are very obviously wrong about me and other thing. Please explain how smoking marijuana harms others besides the user.

mesaguy wrote:Periphery - I shiver to think what the world would be like if everyone had "the ability to make their own life style choices" and those choices were from a list that included illegal acts.If your life style choices were to murder, rape and pillage, how would those choices help society. I don't want the government telling me what to do either(Liberals do) but laws are there for a reason and if you don't like them then change them, don't break them just because you don't agree with the laws. It is a Federal crime to buy, sell or smoke pot!

You really do seem to be equating marijuana smoking with rape and murder. No one is asking for the right to rape and murder. Are you crazy?

All people are asking for is the right to use a plant that our founding fathers used. People are asking for the right to use a plant that has been illegal for only 70 years out of over 5,000 years of use. People are asking for the right to use a plant that the government mandated farmers grow at times.

Me personally? I am asking for the right to grow a non-intoxicating plant on my farm to make more money. I want to grow hemp. People like you are the reason I am unable to do so legally.

mesaguy wrote:Rupert - I am not sure what you wrote and don't understand you comment. I commented on Periphery's stating that we should have a choice of our lifestyle regardless if it were illegal or not. I never associated pot smoking to noting. You are obviously one of those who believe that people under the influence of smoking pot have never done anything illegal or hurt anyone in any way. I do not agree that smoking pot does not harm anyone but the user.

You are very obviously wrong about me and other thing. Please explain how smoking marijuana harms others besides the user.

Why do you think hemp and marijuana should remain illegal?

One more time....from my last paragraph.."one of those who believe that people under the influence of smoking pot have never done anything illegal or hurt anyone in any way" Pot smokers have caused vehicle accidents because the were under the influence, pot smokers have robbed to get money to buy pot, there are frequent robberies of pot dispensary's by pot smokers, and many other crimes committed by pot smokers.

mesaguy wrote:Periphery - I shiver to think what the world would be like if everyone had "the ability to make their own life style choices" and those choices were from a list that included illegal acts.If your life style choices were to murder, rape and pillage, how would those choices help society. I don't want the government telling me what to do either(Liberals do) but laws are there for a reason and if you don't like them then change them, don't break them just because you don't agree with the laws. It is a Federal crime to buy, sell or smoke pot!

You really do seem to be equating marijuana smoking with rape and murder. No one is asking for the right to rape and murder. Are you crazy?

All people are asking for is the right to use a plant that our founding fathers used. People are asking for the right to use a plant that has been illegal for only 70 years out of over 5,000 years of use. People are asking for the right to use a plant that the government mandated farmers grow at times.

Me personally? I am asking for the right to grow a non-intoxicating plant on my farm to make more money. I want to grow hemp. People like you are the reason I am unable to do so legally.

mesaguy wrote:Rupert - I am not sure what you wrote and don't understand you comment. I commented on Periphery's stating that we should have a choice of our lifestyle regardless if it were illegal or not. I never associated pot smoking to noting. You are obviously one of those who believe that people under the influence of smoking pot have never done anything illegal or hurt anyone in any way. I do not agree that smoking pot does not harm anyone but the user.

You are very obviously wrong about me and other thing. Please explain how smoking marijuana harms others besides the user.

Why do you think hemp and marijuana should remain illegal?

One more time....from my last paragraph.."one of those who believe that people under the influence of smoking pot have never done anything illegal or hurt anyone in any way" Pot smokers have caused vehicle accidents because the were under the influence, pot smokers have robbed to get money to buy pot, there are frequent robberies of pot dispensary's by pot smokers, and many other crimes committed by pot smokers.

I don't know what the stats are, but I'm willing to bet that there are more crimes committed by non pot smokers than people who smoke pot. It's very irresponsible to blame a plant. That's like blaming a rape victim for being attacked by a clergyman because the devil made him do it. The criminals who commit violent drug related offenses often belong to cartels or other street gangs. PROHIBITION of marijuana is what drives their illegal enterprise because the black market trade is very lucrative for them. WHEN marijuana is made legal, it will be like taking the keys to their illegal enterprises away because people can either buy it at legitimate and safe businesses or grow their own. There would be no need for the average pot smoker to buy marijuana from these thugs. Most pot smokers that I know are very laid back and mellow. They aren't that crazy. Alcohol makes people lose their self control more than pot does.The worse thing that most pot smokers will do is kill off a bag of potato chips. I agree that driving under the influence of anything is a bad idea. Even people who've taken cold medicine have been known to cause accidents. That doesn't mean that cold medicine should become illegal.

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mesaguy wrote:One more time....from my last paragraph.."one of those who believe that people under the influence of smoking pot have never done anything illegal or hurt anyone in any way" Pot smokers have caused vehicle accidents because the were under the influence,

Drivers with THC in their system are less likely to get in an accident than the average Colorado driver. If you want to ban all substances while driving including alcohol and stimulants, your argument might make more sense.

WesM55 wrote:According to the federal government, Colorado had 612,000 pot smokers in 2010, with 400,000 of these smoking at least once per month. Since THC metabolites are detectable for at least 30 days, any of these drivers will test positive after an accident.

So the average fatal crash rate for Colorado drivers is 600/3.7M = 16.2 per 100k drivers. The fatal crash rate of pot smokers is 42/400k = 10.5 per100k pot smokers. We can conclude that Colorado pot smokers are 35% less likely to be involved in a fatal crash than the average Colorado driver.

mesaguy wrote: pot smokers have robbed to get money to buy pot, there are frequent robberies of pot dispensary's by pot smokers, and many other crimes committed by pot smokers.

You would think that with so many pot smokers in Colorado that we would be hearing about car crashes and robberies constantly. Do you have any statistics or studies or anything to back this up?

f=230&p=2365933#p2365933]mesaguy[/url] wrote:What a waste of time. Until the Federal Government legalizes pot, states cannot legalize it. The Feds can bust any of the pot stores anytime they want. If the pot crimes increase, they will be here.

Change has to start somewhere and many changes both good and bad have started with someone willing to stand up even if doing so didn't alwasy make the most sense. We can start the ball rolling here and watch it spread to other states and then see if the feds want to continue with the madness of making something so popular and benign a crime. The only "pot crimes" are committed by the government and it won't be a waste of time when we come to our senses and stand up to the feds.

At one time in this country it was popular to own people. Turns out that was a bad thing,but hay it was a POPULAR way to do things!!!!

So smoking pot is the same as enslaving a human? What civil right is being denied somebody by the action of a pot smoker?

My statement was an answer to

we can start the ball rolling here and watch it spread to other states and see if the feds want to continue the madness of making something so popular and benign a crime.

I spoke to the poplar statement. A lot of things have been popular that were wrong. had nothing to do with civil rights. Nice try!

It's all based off of morality, and it's sickening. The government tells the people what to think, and the people submit almost instantaneously without asking why. Denying someone the ability to make their own life style choices is preventing someone to continue in their pursuit of happiness and takes away their natural born rights. Just because something is seen as "immoral" does not mean it should be illegal. The public should be thoroughly educated about drug use, as well as other topics, and given the choice, not told that If they do something to their own body's they will go to jail for years. Besides, it's a lose-lose situation, they go to jail and we have to pay for them through taxes.

Periphery - I shiver to think what the world would be like if everyone had "the ability to make their own life style choices" and those choices were from a list that included illegal acts.If your life style choices were to murder, rape and pillage, how would those choices help society. I don't want the government telling me what to do either(Liberals do) but laws are there for a reason and if you don't like them then change them, don't break them just because you don't agree with the laws. It is a Federal crime to buy, sell or smoke pot!

Big government often uses their small brains when they write big laws. There are some laws on the books that are so obscure and ridiculous that I personally have to wonder what drugs they were on when they wrote them. http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/alabama Marijuana laws have alot of political lies surrounding them. The politicians that wrote marijuana laws had a hidden agenda. It was never really about protecting society. The government used scare tactics and lied to make it illegal. Politicians are not always very honest when they write laws. http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why ... a-illegal/[/quote]

Terri - every thing you say may be true but it does not change the law. Your's is a typical argument for legaling pot. As long as pot is a hallucinogenic drug with no proven benefits, it wll be illegal.

Marijuana is a psychotropic and not a hallucinogen. Thanks to studies worldwide we now know that there are proven medicinal benefits to marijuana. Take a look at some of the serious medical conditions that can be alleviated by this plant.

A major factor in all religions can be described by the tenet Tikkun Olam

all American wrote:They tricked the voters once before taking medical pot into pot for everyone. But they will not be able to have it to carry around.

How about we repeal the medical pot law???

Why?

If you would like to do that, go for it.

I'm sorry you feel like you were tricked, but I wasn't. I read the amendment, did you?

The amendment was passed 11 years ago. The dispensaries did not really appear until Obama gave them tacit approval, which he later took back.

Could you explain your opposition to medical marijuana? I hope you or someone you care about never gets sick and needs medical marijuana.

They said it was for people who were sick not everyone with a fake back injury...

The list of ailments that marijuana can alleviate is a very long one. As more research is being conducted, more is found out about it and more ailments are added to that list. Please do your own research before you spout nonsense about something that you know nothing about... http://www.medicalmarijuanablog.com/ben ... elped.html

all American wrote:They tricked the voters once before taking medical pot into pot for everyone. But they will not be able to have it to carry around.

How about we repeal the medical pot law???

Why?

If you would like to do that, go for it.

I'm sorry you feel like you were tricked, but I wasn't. I read the amendment, did you?

The amendment was passed 11 years ago. The dispensaries did not really appear until Obama gave them tacit approval, which he later took back.

Could you explain your opposition to medical marijuana? I hope you or someone you care about never gets sick and needs medical marijuana.

They said it was for people who were sick not everyone with a fake back injury...

Why does that bother you?

Let's say just for fun, hypothetically, that 90% of the people with medical marijuana licences do not really need medical marijuana.

Those people are serious enough to spend, I don't know, $100-$200 to get a license.They must really like marijuana to spend that kind of money.

They then buy marijuana in a store, that pays taxes, checks ID, employs a staff and so on.

If these people suddenly lost their license do you think they are going to stop using marijuana?

Probably not.

If they lost their licenses they would go back to buying marijuana from illegal drug dealers. Illegal drug dealers do not pay taxes or check ID. They only employ other illegal drug dealers. Illegal drug dealers sell to children.

There is also a benefit to all these medical marijuana licenses. The large amount of dispensaries mean greater competition. Greater competition means lower prices and better quality. More locations means easier access for those that are truly sick and in need of medical marijuana.

I prefer that some people get marijuana in stores over getting it from drug dealers. The dispensaries are better than the alternative.

all American wrote:They tricked the voters once before taking medical pot into pot for everyone. But they will not be able to have it to carry around.

How about we repeal the medical pot law???

Why?

If you would like to do that, go for it.

I'm sorry you feel like you were tricked, but I wasn't. I read the amendment, did you?

The amendment was passed 11 years ago. The dispensaries did not really appear until Obama gave them tacit approval, which he later took back.

Could you explain your opposition to medical marijuana? I hope you or someone you care about never gets sick and needs medical marijuana.

They said it was for people who were sick not everyone with a fake back injury...

No one was tricked it was all laid out in black and white. Just because some people have the reading comprehension of a third grader and couldn't understand the what the words in front of them meant doesn't mean they were tricked.

As for people claiming chronic pain problems to get a license it may not be just because they want to get high. It may be because they want to use it to treat a medical condition that is not allowed under Colorado law such as asthma. As contradictory as it sounds marijuana is good at stopping asthma attacks and opening up the bronchi all without poisoning and destroying your kidneys and liver like the typical asthma inhaler does. THC opens the bronchi the real reason pot smokers cough. The pot smokers hack is no different than what I have seen friends go through when using the asthma inhalers. They cough and hack for the same reasons pot smokers do. Their bronchi open up and flem and secretions pool at the bottom of their lungs causing them to cough to get it out of their lungs. Many of the currently popular treatments carry warnings that their use may cause death due to an uncontrollable attacks. There is no such problem with marijuana. There are many other uses that are not currently approved including cancer prevention.

pocket deuces wrote:the feds will shoot this down no matter what the people of colorado want. they dont care what we want. if we vote on it and it wins i bet the feds will find a way to shut it down and make it not happen. it doesnt seem like they are ready to let that happen, but i could be wrong!

******************* I will bet my next paycheck that IF it does get approved by the citizens some asshat state politician will tie it up in the courts,but at least the people will have spokenif the politicians choose to ignore U.S. they do so at their own peril. IF the initiative fails then things will stay as they are,we continue to piss away ourtax dollars on a failed war on drugs.

yeah basically what i was saying. whether its a local state politician or some federal agency of some sort, yeah they will fight it for sure if we vote and it wins. the only thing colorado has going for us in this fight is that this state is leaps and bounds ahead of all the others as far as how mmj is supervised and regulated. colorado probably has the best model for a blue print of legalization. the real question is are the feds ready to let this happen if we vote it in? this will change everything around the nation if it works. california has been trying this for years and it just hasnt won the state election yet. not saying i am not for it, but at the same time i really dont see it happening for some reason or the other.

all American wrote:They tricked the voters once before taking medical pot into pot for everyone. But they will not be able to have it to carry around.

How about we repeal the medical pot law???

Why?

If you would like to do that, go for it.

I'm sorry you feel like you were tricked, but I wasn't. I read the amendment, did you?

The amendment was passed 11 years ago. The dispensaries did not really appear until Obama gave them tacit approval, which he later took back.

Could you explain your opposition to medical marijuana? I hope you or someone you care about never gets sick and needs medical marijuana.

They said it was for people who were sick not everyone with a fake back injury...

No one was tricked it was all laid out in black and white. Just because some people have the reading comprehension of a third grader and couldn't understand the what the words in front of them meant doesn't mean they were tricked.

As for people claiming chronic pain problems to get a license it may not be just because they want to get high. It may be because they want to use it to treat a medical condition that is not allowed under Colorado law such as asthma. As contradictory as it sounds marijuana is good at stopping asthma attacks and opening up the bronchi all without poisoning and destroying your kidneys and liver like the typical asthma inhaler does. THC opens the bronchi the real reason pot smokers cough. The pot smokers hack is no different than what I have seen friends go through when using the asthma inhalers. They cough and hack for the same reasons pot smokers do. Their bronchi open up and flem and secretions pool at the bottom of their lungs causing them to cough to get it out of their lungs. Many of the currently popular treatments carry warnings that their use may cause death due to an uncontrollable attacks. There is no such problem with marijuana. There are many other uses that are not currently approved including cancer prevention.

You're absolutely right about asthma medicine. I got an inhaler from my doctor that I had to stop using because it has steroids in it and I was getting weird side effects. I get tired of using albuteral because it doesn't always work. I've used Primatene, but it has stimulants in it and there's side effects from that. I get high blood pressure from some of the medicines that the doctor wants me to take and then I get anxiety attacks. Anxiety attacks causes hyperventilation so they kind of defeat their purpose. Some asthma medicines have been pulled by the FDA because they're harmful to the environment and the ozone. I got a himalayan salt air pipe from a mail order catalog. It turns out that breathing salt air for 15-20 minutes a couple of times a day works better than the poison my doctor gave me. That's probably why people who live by oceans that have a high salt content have better overall health. Breathing in natural substances is very good for you. Our air here is very dry. We don't have many minerals in our air. Our skin, lungs, and other organs feel the drying effects. I'm a big fan of natural medicines. If better medicines can be developed using cannibus that can actually heal the airpipes instead of just stopping the symptoms temporarily, it would be ideal. Also, there's anedoctol evidence that it can stop anxiety attacks and lower blood pressure in some people. It would be great to take one medicine for asthma and high blood pressure instead of several different things. Because it's a natural substance, it wrecks less havoc on the environment too. I see it as a win-win.

f=230&p=2365933#p2365933]mesaguy[/url] wrote:What a waste of time. Until the Federal Government legalizes pot, states cannot legalize it. The Feds can bust any of the pot stores anytime they want. If the pot crimes increase, they will be here.

Change has to start somewhere and many changes both good and bad have started with someone willing to stand up even if doing so didn't alwasy make the most sense. We can start the ball rolling here and watch it spread to other states and then see if the feds want to continue with the madness of making something so popular and benign a crime. The only "pot crimes" are committed by the government and it won't be a waste of time when we come to our senses and stand up to the feds.

At one time in this country it was popular to own people. Turns out that was a bad thing,but hay it was a POPULAR way to do things!!!!

So smoking pot is the same as enslaving a human? What civil right is being denied somebody by the action of a pot smoker?

My statement was an answer to

we can start the ball rolling here and watch it spread to other states and see if the feds want to continue the madness of making something so popular and benign a crime.

I spoke to the poplar statement. A lot of things have been popular that were wrong. had nothing to do with civil rights. Nice try!

It's all based off of morality, and it's sickening. The government tells the people what to think, and the people submit almost instantaneously without asking why. Denying someone the ability to make their own life style choices is preventing someone to continue in their pursuit of happiness and takes away their natural born rights. Just because something is seen as "immoral" does not mean it should be illegal. The public should be thoroughly educated about drug use, as well as other topics, and given the choice, not told that If they do something to their own body's they will go to jail for years. Besides, it's a lose-lose situation, they go to jail and we have to pay for them through taxes.

Periphery - I shiver to think what the world would be like if everyone had "the ability to make their own life style choices" and those choices were from a list that included illegal acts.If your life style choices were to murder, rape and pillage, how would those choices help society. I don't want the government telling me what to do either(Liberals do) but laws are there for a reason and if you don't like them then change them, don't break them just because you don't agree with the laws. It is a Federal crime to buy, sell or smoke pot!

Big government often uses their small brains when they write big laws. There are some laws on the books that are so obscure and ridiculous that I personally have to wonder what drugs they were on when they wrote them. http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/alabama Marijuana laws have alot of political lies surrounding them. The politicians that wrote marijuana laws had a hidden agenda. It was never really about protecting society. The government used scare tactics and lied to make it illegal. Politicians are not always very honest when they write laws. http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why ... a-illegal/

Terri - every thing you say may be true but it does not change the law. Your's is a typical argument for legaling pot. As long as pot is a hallucinogenic drug with no proven benefits, it wll be illegal.

Marijuana is a psychotropic and not a hallucinogen. Thanks to studies worldwide we now know that there are proven medicinal benefits to marijuana. Take a look at some of the serious medical conditions that can be alleviated by this plant.[/quote]

I don't mean to be nit picky and I like the way you think, but this in in response to your signature line. Farmers have found out in the past when marijuana was legal and considered an agricultural crop that if they plant marijuana with their other crops, it eliminates the need for artificial pesticides. Bugs don't like it. That makes for much healthier and more organic fruits and veggies. Marijuana is non-toxic to humans. Also, fabric woven with cotton and hemp makes a stronger fabric. Just sayin...

[quote="f=230&p=2365933#p2365933]mesaguy[/url] wrote:What a waste of time. Until the Federal Government legalizes pot, states cannot legalize it. The Feds can bust any of the pot stores anytime they want. If the pot crimes increase, they will be here.

Change has to start somewhere and many changes both good and bad have started with someone willing to stand up even if doing so didn't alwasy make the most sense. We can start the ball rolling here and watch it spread to other states and then see if the feds want to continue with the madness of making something so popular and benign a crime. The only "pot crimes" are committed by the government and it won't be a waste of time when we come to our senses and stand up to the feds.

At one time in this country it was popular to own people. Turns out that was a bad thing,but hay it was a POPULAR way to do things!!!![/quote]

So smoking pot is the same as enslaving a human? What civil right is being denied somebody by the action of a pot smoker?[/quote]

My statement was an answer to

we can start the ball rolling here and watch it spread to other states and see if the feds want to continue the madness of making something so popular and benign a crime.

I spoke to the poplar statement. A lot of things have been popular that were wrong. had nothing to do with civil rights. Nice try![/quote]

It's all based off of morality, and it's sickening. The government tells the people what to think, and the people submit almost instantaneously without asking why. Denying someone the ability to make their own life style choices is preventing someone to continue in their pursuit of happiness and takes away their natural born rights. Just because something is seen as "immoral" does not mean it should be illegal. The public should be thoroughly educated about drug use, as well as other topics, and given the choice, not told that If they do something to their own body's they will go to jail for years. Besides, it's a lose-lose situation, they go to jail and we have to pay for them through taxes.[/quote]

Periphery - I shiver to think what the world would be like if everyone had "the ability to make their own life style choices" and those choices were from a list that included illegal acts.If your life style choices were to murder, rape and pillage, how would those choices help society. I don't want the government telling me what to do either(Liberals do) but laws are there for a reason and if you don't like them then change them, don't break them just because you don't agree with the laws. It is a Federal crime to buy, sell or smoke pot![/quote]

Big government often uses their small brains when they write big laws. There are some laws on the books that are so obscure and ridiculous that I personally have to wonder what drugs they were on when they wrote them. http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/alabama Marijuana laws have alot of political lies surrounding them. The politicians that wrote marijuana laws had a hidden agenda. It was never really about protecting society. The government used scare tactics and lied to make it illegal. Politicians are not always very honest when they write laws. http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why ... a-illegal/[/quote]

Terri - every thing you say may be true but it does not change the law. Your's is a typical argument for legaling pot. As long as pot is a hallucinogenic drug with no proven benefits, it wll be illegal.

Marijuana is a psychotropic and not a hallucinogen. Thanks to studies worldwide we now know that there are proven medicinal benefits to marijuana. Take a look at some of the serious medical conditions that can be alleviated by this plant.[/quote]

I don't mean to be nit picky and I like the way you think, but this in in response to your signature line. Farmers have found out in the past when marijuana was legal and considered an agricultural crop that if they plant marijuana with their other crops, it eliminates the need for artificial pesticides. Bugs don't like it. That makes for much healthier and more organic fruits and veggies. Marijuana is non-toxic to humans. Also, fabric woven with cotton and hemp makes a stronger fabric. Just sayin...

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Right on! Many plants are beneficial to one another, such as legumes. The verse is from Leviticus. How about the "cloth woven of two materials"? Bye bye polyester and rayon blends.

A major factor in all religions can be described by the tenet Tikkun Olam