I know what classic champagne is-- not to sound like a snob-- but there can also be darker variations ..that one in particular seems almost amber champagne to me, actually.

Eh, in that picture, its hard to tell, but the one where you can really see his eyes, and how charcoal his body is compared to his forelock, It makes me wonder.

I understand smoky cream is black based with 2 cream genes, but the one in the above picture does look very dark, and has a more crispe, darker coloring, the actual smokey cream foal below looks very cream to me.

The stallions looks typical black to me no champagne dilution. Only thing I notice is a bleached out black. And smokey blacks can more more prone to sun fading.Posted via Mobile Device

Sure looks cream to me when it is in better light... Bear in mind that the comparison foal that I posted, the picture has been taken using a far better camera, by someone that knows how to use is in a dark stall. They have used a flash, and correct settings on their camera. The photos of the foal in question (in the stall) are not taken in a way that shows the true colour. The ones outside, in natural light, are far more accurate.

I agree the first ones I took are sucky lol. It was pretty much..."OMG, she had her baby, better go ahead and get pics with my cell phone" and then after that the camera I brought down kept messing up and was pretty much useless. I should have dug out my nice Canon SLR and gotten some reeeeaaal photos!

I didn't mean it was his twin, just showing there are darker variations.. you said he was faded, but kept up.. 1 cream gene wouldnt do anything to the coat-- maybe if he was sun faded.. champagne dilutes the coat..

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