On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jk90090 <jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: > http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Zotac-ZBOX-ID80-Plus-Mini-PC-Review/> > Looks very interesting, but I see the 520 (not specifically the 520M) > can't handle Advanced 2x in HD. > > In case someone has tested this video chip, or in the future the Zbox > ID80, it would be great to reply to this thread with feedback on their > experiences. Thanks.

You run the risk of having started another thread where half the people say "nvidia saved my life with vdpau, I love it, I hardly need a decent cpu now I have vdpau" and the other half say "nvidia is only half the solution, pair it with atom and you get what you pay for, and woebetide you if you want to do anything other than watch nvidia's limited range of codecs/frame sizes/whatever. Get a motherboard with a decent cpu and a slot for an nvidia card".

bah, I am happy with my ion revos, although the ion2 is certainly better than ion [1], and having played with some side by side full frame 3d rips (ie 3840x1080) I see the point of the cpu power to back up stuff vdpau won't do, but it may also be to do with what my 3d tv will accept :) _______________________________________________ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users [at] mythtv http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users

This has been long discussed... The 520 is like the 210 or 320 low-end nvidia cards, they don't do advanced 2X deinterlacing. If you look at nvidia graph comparing the cards, the 520 is half as fast as the 430

When looking at nvidia specs, basically you need a card with more than 48 CUDA cores if the old GPU type, and more than 96 if the new fermi ones Look at the pattern: 210: 16 220: 48 320: 48 <- fermi 430: 96 <- fermi 520: 48 <- fermi _______________________________________________ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users [at] mythtv http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Nick Rout <nick.rout [at] gmail> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jk90090 <jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: >> http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Zotac-ZBOX-ID80-Plus-Mini-PC-Review/>> >> Looks very interesting, but I see the 520 (not specifically the 520M) >> can't handle Advanced 2x in HD. >> >> In case someone has tested this video chip, or in the future the Zbox >> ID80, it would be great to reply to this thread with feedback on their >> experiences. Thanks. > > No experience (in fact zotac computers don't even seem to be marketed > in NZ) but there is some info on the video chipset here > http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-520M.43104.0.html> > You run the risk of having started another thread where half the > people say "nvidia saved my life with vdpau, I love it, I hardly need > a decent cpu now I have vdpau" and the other half say "nvidia is only > half the solution, pair it with atom and you get what you pay for, and > woebetide you if you want to do anything other than watch nvidia's > limited range of codecs/frame sizes/whatever. Get a motherboard with a > decent cpu and a slot for an nvidia card". > > bah, I am happy with my ion revos, although the ion2 is certainly > better than ion [1], and having played with some side by side full > frame 3d rips (ie 3840x1080) I see the point of the cpu power to back > up stuff vdpau won't do, but it may also be to do with what my 3d tv > will accept :)

I have a Gen 1 ION system from Zotac with a Atom 330 and on my 27" tv in my bedroom with temporal 2x it works great and is plenty fast on the interface. The fan is a little noisy but I've read it can be replaced with a quieter one, hasn't bothered me that much yet though.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:56:47AM -0400, Steven Adeff wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Nick Rout <nick.rout [at] gmail> wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jk90090 <jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: > >> http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Zotac-ZBOX-ID80-Plus-Mini-PC-Review/> >> > >> Looks very interesting, but I see the 520 (not specifically the 520M) > >> can't handle Advanced 2x in HD. > >> > >> In case someone has tested this video chip, or in the future the Zbox > >> ID80, it would be great to reply to this thread with feedback on their > >> experiences. Thanks. > > > > No experience (in fact zotac computers don't even seem to be marketed > > in NZ) but there is some info on the video chipset here > > http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-520M.43104.0.html> > > > You run the risk of having started another thread where half the > > people say "nvidia saved my life with vdpau, I love it, I hardly need > > a decent cpu now I have vdpau" and the other half say "nvidia is only > > half the solution, pair it with atom and you get what you pay for, and > > woebetide you if you want to do anything other than watch nvidia's > > limited range of codecs/frame sizes/whatever. Get a motherboard with a > > decent cpu and a slot for an nvidia card". I could certainly see the IONs having trouble with certain sorts of web based content that are either poorly supported on Linux or have embedded commercials. Those two issues make the problem effectively moot for me.

A low profile machine with better nv GPUs in them are interesting regardless of the CPU. My snappiest frontend machine is one that would otherwise be discarded if not for it's aftermarket nv430.

> I have a Gen 1 ION system from Zotac with a Atom 330 and on my 27" tv > in my bedroom with temporal 2x it works great and is plenty fast on > the interface. The fan is a little noisy but I've read it can be > replaced with a quieter one, hasn't bothered me that much yet though. _______________________________________________ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users [at] mythtv http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:06 AM, jedi <jedi [at] mishnet> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:56:47AM -0400, Steven Adeff wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Nick Rout <nick.rout [at] gmail> wrote: >> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:13 PM, jk90090 <jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: >> >> http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Zotac-ZBOX-ID80-Plus-Mini-PC-Review/>> >> >> >> Looks very interesting, but I see the 520 (not specifically the 520M) >> >> can't handle Advanced 2x in HD. >> >> >> >> In case someone has tested this video chip, or in the future the Zbox >> >> ID80, it would be great to reply to this thread with feedback on their >> >> experiences. Thanks. >> > >> > No experience (in fact zotac computers don't even seem to be marketed >> > in NZ) but there is some info on the video chipset here >> > http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-520M.43104.0.html>> > >> > You run the risk of having started another thread where half the >> > people say "nvidia saved my life with vdpau, I love it, I hardly need >> > a decent cpu now I have vdpau" and the other half say "nvidia is only >> > half the solution, pair it with atom and you get what you pay for, and >> > woebetide you if you want to do anything other than watch nvidia's >> > limited range of codecs/frame sizes/whatever. Get a motherboard with a >> > decent cpu and a slot for an nvidia card". > > I could certainly see the IONs having trouble with certain sorts of > web based content that are either poorly supported on Linux or have > embedded commercials. Those two issues make the problem effectively moot > for me. > > A low profile machine with better nv GPUs in them are interesting > regardless of the CPU. My snappiest frontend machine is one that would > otherwise be discarded if not for it's aftermarket nv430. > >> I have a Gen 1 ION system from Zotac with a Atom 330 and on my 27" tv >> in my bedroom with temporal 2x it works great and is plenty fast on >> the interface. The fan is a little noisy but I've read it can be >> replaced with a quieter one, hasn't bothered me that much yet though. > _______________________________________________ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users [at] mythtv > http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users

> On 12-03-12 03:35 AM, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote: > > On 12 March 2012 14:13, jk90090 <jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: > >> http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Zotac-ZBOX-ID80-Plus-Mini-PC-Review/> >> > >> Looks very interesting, but I see the 520 (not specifically the 520M) > >> can't handle Advanced 2x in HD. > > > > This has been long discussed... > > The 520 is like the 210 or 320 low-end nvidia cards, they don't do > > advanced 2X deinterlacing. > > Too big a brush. > > The GT218 chip in the predecessors to this latest ZBOX > do handle Advanced/2X on 1920x1080i ATSC content just fine. > As well as everything else I'v thrown at them. > > Specifically, the ZBOX HD-ID11U and ZBOX HD-ID41U. > Two great little Mythtv boxes, either as a combined FE/BE, or FE-only > system. > > This latest ZBOX HD-ID80 system remains to be tested with Mythtv, > but is unlikely to do any worse than its ancestors. > > I also have the ZBOX HD-ID31DVD-PLUS that I picked up from Newegg last month for 220 USD on a rebate.

Running mythbuntu as a FE, it does Advanced/2X on 1920x1080i ATSC with no noticeable difference to my I3 gt430 combined FE/BE. The box is running quite well.

On 3/12/12 12:35 AM, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote: > On 12 March 2012 14:13, jk90090<jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: >> http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Zotac-ZBOX-ID80-Plus-Mini-PC-Review/>> >> Looks very interesting, but I see the 520 (not specifically the 520M) >> can't handle Advanced 2x in HD. > This has been long discussed... > The 520 is like the 210 or 320 low-end nvidia cards, they don't do > advanced 2X deinterlacing. > If you look at nvidia graph comparing the cards, the 520 is half as > fast as the 430 > > When looking at nvidia specs, basically you need a card with more than > 48 CUDA cores if the old GPU type, and more than 96 if the new fermi > ones > Look at the pattern: > 210: 16 > 220: 48 > 320: 48<- fermi > 430: 96<- fermi > 520: 48<- fermi > Thanks JY, but I have one wonder about how the 520M compares to the non 'M' variant we're more familiar with. Again, this thread was for future guinea pigs, er testers, of this equipment to report back to the list their experience.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:06 PM, jk90090 <jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: > On 3/12/12 12:35 AM, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote: >> On 12 March 2012 14:13, jk90090<jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: >>> http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Zotac-ZBOX-ID80-Plus-Mini-PC-Review/>>> >>> Looks very interesting, but I see the 520 (not specifically the 520M) >>> can't handle Advanced 2x in HD. >> This has been long discussed... >> The 520 is like the 210 or 320 low-end nvidia cards, they don't do >> advanced 2X deinterlacing. >> If you look at nvidia graph comparing the cards, the 520 is half as >> fast as the 430 >> >> When looking at nvidia specs, basically you need a card with more than >> 48 CUDA cores if the old GPU type, and more than 96 if the new fermi >> ones >> Look at the pattern: >> 210: 16 >> 220: 48 >> 320: 48<- fermi >> 430: 96<- fermi >> 520: 48<- fermi >> > Thanks JY, but I have one wonder about how the 520M compares to the non > 'M' variant we're more familiar with. Again, this thread was for future > guinea pigs, er testers, of this equipment to report back to the list > their experience. > > -JK

M is their "mobile" line, also used in some space limited desktop models by some manufacturers. Historically they have been slightly less powerful than their desktop counterpart. Expect no better than the 520. So if the 520 will not accomplish what you are looking to do the 520M won't either.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 17:06, jk90090 <jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: .... > Thanks JY, but I have one wonder about how the 520M compares to the non > 'M' variant we're more familiar with.

The "M" (mobile) variant still has only 48 shader cores, meaning that it will not have enough headroom to perform Advanced 2x glitch free decoding for all interlaced content types. Some people do not have high bit-rate 1080i content to de-interlace. Some people do not see the glitches, some just accept them as being normal. Some transcode the files before playback, perhaps changing everything. So, your experience will vary, but for any reports to be useful to others one will need to include the content information one is actually playing back along with the subjective "works for me" reports. _______________________________________________ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users [at] mythtv http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users

On 12-03-13 01:22 PM, Steven Adeff wrote: > > M is their "mobile" line, also used in some space limited desktop > models by some manufacturers. Historically they have been slightly > less powerful than their desktop counterpart. Expect no better than > the 520. So if the 520 will not accomplish what you are looking to do > the 520M won't either.

A lot of this depends upon clock and memory speeds in the actual product. Eg. on paper, you might assume the ZBOX HD-ID11 with it's GT218 would perform similarly to a discrete GT210 PCIe card.

But in fact it outperforms the GT210, handling Advanced/2X nicely. Here, it even outperforms my GT430 fanless card (ASUS). But other GT430 cards might do better than mine, depending upon clock and memory speeds.

> > As I've repeated several times here now, the GT218 GPU > found in the Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 and HD-ID-41 does indeed > handle 1920x1080i ATSC content with Advanced/2X deinterlacing > without jerks or pauses. >

> > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Mark Lord <mythtv [at] rtr> wrote: > >> On 12-03-12 03:35 AM, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote: >> > On 12 March 2012 14:13, jk90090 <jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: >> >> http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Zotac-ZBOX-ID80-Plus-Mini-PC-Review/>> >> >> >> Looks very interesting, but I see the 520 (not specifically the 520M) >> >> can't handle Advanced 2x in HD. >> > >> > This has been long discussed... >> > The 520 is like the 210 or 320 low-end nvidia cards, they don't do >> > advanced 2X deinterlacing. >> >> Too big a brush. >> >> The GT218 chip in the predecessors to this latest ZBOX >> do handle Advanced/2X on 1920x1080i ATSC content just fine. >> As well as everything else I'v thrown at them. >> >> Specifically, the ZBOX HD-ID11U and ZBOX HD-ID41U. >> Two great little Mythtv boxes, either as a combined FE/BE, or FE-only >> system. >> >> This latest ZBOX HD-ID80 system remains to be tested with Mythtv, >> but is unlikely to do any worse than its ancestors. >> >> I also have the ZBOX HD-ID31DVD-PLUS that I picked up from Newegg last > month for 220 USD on a rebate. > > Running mythbuntu as a FE, it does Advanced/2X on 1920x1080i ATSC with no > noticeable difference to my I3 gt430 combined FE/BE. The box is running > quite well. > > Andrew > > > Hi Andrew can advise if the PSU for this is 110V-240V on only straight 110V?

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Anthony Giggins <seven [at] seven> wrote: > On 13 March 2012 13:50, Andrew McCauley <ajmccauley [at] gmail> wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Mark Lord <mythtv [at] rtr> wrote: >>> On 12-03-12 03:35 AM, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote: >>> > On 12 March 2012 14:13, jk90090 <jk90090 [at] gmail> wrote: >>> >> http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Zotac-ZBOX-ID80-Plus-Mini-PC-Review/>>> >> >>> >> Looks very interesting, but I see the 520 (not specifically the 520M) >>> >> can't handle Advanced 2x in HD. >>> > >>> > This has been long discussed... >>> > The 520 is like the 210 or 320 low-end nvidia cards, they don't do >>> > advanced 2X deinterlacing. >>> >>> Too big a brush. >>> >>> The GT218 chip in the predecessors to this latest ZBOX >>> do handle Advanced/2X on 1920x1080i ATSC content just fine. >>> As well as everything else I'v thrown at them. >>> >>> Specifically, the ZBOX HD-ID11U and ZBOX HD-ID41U. >>> Two great little Mythtv boxes, either as a combined FE/BE, or FE-only system. >>> >>> This latest ZBOX HD-ID80 system remains to be tested with Mythtv, >>> but is unlikely to do any worse than its ancestors. >>> >> I also have the ZBOX HD-ID31DVD-PLUS that I picked up from Newegg last month for 220 USD on a rebate. >> >> Running mythbuntu as a FE, it does Advanced/2X on 1920x1080i ATSC with no noticeable difference to my I3 gt430 combined FE/BE. The box is running quite well. >> >> Andrew >> >> > Hi Andrew can advise if the PSU for this is 110V-240V on only straight 110V?

The retail packaging does not specify but the PCU reads 110-240V 50-60hz.

To give a bit of clarification, I am viewing 1080i ATSC content from OTA broadcast in the US (Dallas, TX). I have.24-fixes on a clean Mythbuntu install using the mythtv frontend and the Mythbuntu theme. I am using a Hauppauge 950Q and 1200 to capture the content.

After figuring out that I have to have the vdpau headers installed to compile vdpautest (that should have been obvious but took me 30 minute to troubleshoot) I was able to run vdpautest and on my ION2 FE (ZBOX HD-ID31DVD-PLUS mentioned above): Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D525 @ 1.80GHz NVIDIA GPU ION (GT218) at PCI:3:0:0 (GPU-0)

The Zotac ZBOX HD-ID41 I have here (Ion2) outperforms the fanless ASUS GT430 card that I wasted $70 on recently. The ZBOX plays 1920x1080i at Advanced/2X nice and smoothly, whereas the GT430 card is jerky like crazy. Drove me nuts!