Now the big talk is why there are not many people showing up to watch camp.

The discussion is,is it because of the team or the management?.

Now i give Redskins fans all the credit in the world we have been there for the good and horrible times,but this is a new low,and even though nobody wants to admit it,the fans are tired of a bad product.We watched them win big,and have have watched them lose big these last few years,constantly playing down.

Lavar sais it's because of the owner,not the record.ill go ahead and disagree.

Winning makes fans,if you lose long enough,even the most loyal will turn away.I havn't but im in the minority i think.

Now the big talk is why there are not many people showing up to watch camp.

The discussion is,is it because of the team or the management?.

Now i give Redskins fans all the credit in the world we have been there for the good and horrible times,but this is a new low,and even though nobody wants to admit it,the fans are tired of a bad product.We watched them win big,and have have watched them lose big these last few years,constantly playing down.

Lavar sais it's because of the owner,not the record.ill go ahead and disagree.

Winning makes fans,if you lose long enough,even the most loyal will turn away.I havn't but im in the minority i think.

Thoughts?

It's because everyone knows it's a done deal in that Beck is going to get us a SB victory.

I went to camp on Wednesday and it's true, it was pretty bare. It also was raining that particular day so many people left. It was all good for me though, got to talk to Shanny for a while, also got a pic w/. Chatted with Gaffney, Beck and Hightower as well. That's one good thing about not many people being there or expecting much from the team.

Anyway, I sincerely believe the defense is going to be MUCH improved from last season and will win us a few games in Year 2 of the system. The front seven will be a lot more consistent and that's where it all starts. I like the depth and skill at those positions.

If Landry's Achilles is not an issue in the reg season (still not 100% right now, which concerns me), our secondary has a good group as well. Josh Wilson is an upgrade from Rogers imo and obv Atogwe's credentials are known to those that actually follow football. He's a leader and still top 10 at his position.

Last year's defense wasn't pretty but the guys we brought in fit a prototypical 3-4 much better than what we tried to do a year ago. Rookie JArvis Jenkins by all accounts is wowing everyone with his combo of speed and power. We need him to pan out, being a second rounder.

I'm not expecting us to accomplish much on offense other than an improved running game but I do EXPECT the defense to get us excited again and be a feared area of the team again.

No offense, but I hope the Redskins don't get Andrew Luck. The NFC is already deep enough. Don't need anymore contenders.

Let Luck go to Cincy or Buffalo. Imagine if somehow the Raiders ended up with the no. 1 pick. He could revitalize that franchise (assuming Al Davis doesn't end up taking the guy with the best 40 time no. 1 overall).