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Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

I'm very sure this incident is somehow related to Madara. Maybe he made the Zetsus transform into Kakashi and Rin and made them stage a show to let Obito help him complete his whatever plan. Well we never know.

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

i wonder how madara would feel once he finds out that his precious obito was'nt the one that revived him and it was the doing of kabuto and orochimaru. Also does this means that all the masks that we have seen so far are from mr senju himself shame on madara for using someone dna like these

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Originally Posted by lion fang master

i wonder how madara would feel once he finds out that his precious obito was'nt the one that revived him and it was the doing of kabuto and orochimaru. Also does this means that all the masks that we have seen so far are from mr senju himself shame on madara for using someone dna like these

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

I was thinking Madara looks really old & he looks like he's been that way for a while.﻿ So who was the "Madara" that Kisame meet when he 1st got Samehada? Because that Madara looked like his younger version.

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

it seems evident to me that kakashi thought he was fighting a water clone and Ao was the one responsible. 1st the "guinea pig" Ao is the only one i can think of that could refer to a kirigakure guinea pig. 2nd zetsu said they were surrounded. they didn't look surrounded to me, but that could just mean they're surrounded from a distance. more evidence pointing to Ao and his new byakugan. 3rd those floating bubbles. if you would, you would notice that those bubble are only positioned around rin. not kakashi. if this is a jutsu like the 4th's water mirror clone. and those bubble were floating water turning into kakashi and rin. it can stand that kakashi got confused and thought he was attacking a clone. or they're going to pan out from kakashi's tear and see him turn into a water clone. obito getting zetsued away just before; clearly.

Spiral Zetsu interrupts: You have seen enough. Lets go back. This ninja world is full of flaws.

Obito crying: No, not now, I want to see, why has this happened!!

*A mist shinobi appears, injured looking at Kakashi*

Mist Shinobi: You bastard. How did you figure out she was one of our spies?

Kakashi: ...

Obito/Zetsu: ?!

Kakashi with tears: To be betrayed like this, by someone I considered a friend, Rin, did you ever have feelings for us? For Obito?

Rin (with blood in her mouth, choking): My parents were killed by the leaf as was my family. I grew hateful towards Konoha but after Obito's death, I learned that ... everyone is capable of both good and evil. When I was first assigned to my mission, I wanted revenge. Now, I have seen it all for myself. We are our own worst enemies. There will never be peace with this shinobi system. Loyalty to ones village is a poison.

Mist Shinobi/Kakashi/Obito/Zetsu: ?!?!

Rin: We'll do anything our village tells us.

Kakashi: That is our role as Shinobi! We are ...

Rin crying: We are children Kakashi, children. Not Shinobi. Children forced into a bitter world. Children who have had their parents killed and children now used by villages to kill. This system is evil. Peace can only exist within an illusion.

Obito: ?!?!

Rin crying more: I know how much you blame yourself for Obito. It wasn't your fault. He was forced into it. He died a fool believing he was protecting his village and friends, while it was the villages who created all the wars.

Madara: I left the village shortly. Its a poison, this shinobi world. Peace can only be obtained through an illusion!

Obito: ?!?!?!

Madara: You should stay here boy. You have nothing left in Konoha, no parents, no friends.

Obito: I have Kakashi and Sens..

Madara: Don't be foolish child. You will come to lose them to, and what then? Stay here with me and we will both develop peace together.

Obito: ... I'm leaving as soon as I come strong enough on my own.

Madara thinks to himself: That's plenty of time to change you.

*Later, Obito is asleep when Spiral goes to Madara*

Spiral Zetsu: You orchestrated this didn't you?

Madara: We needed to give the boy a little perspective. He will come to accept soon enough.

Spiral Zetsu: What do you plan Madara, do you really think the moon's eye plan will give us peace?

Madara: Peace? What a rubbish word!

Zetsu: ?!?!

Madara: Its never been about peace.

*Madara smiles devilishly*

Madara: Its about immortality and power.

Chapter 606

*Flash back ended, scene focus on Kakashi*

Kakashi panting: Why ... after everything I've done and believed in, this is how it stacks up?

Obito: This Shinobi system is riddled with hate. You're beginning to understand Kakashi. Your father was a man who chose his friends over the order of his village elders. He was mocked for it and paid the ultimate price. Rin was a friend we cherished, a child soldier of war, being born into this hateful world. There was a time, you could say that I loved her.

Naruto: What is he talking about ???!

Obito: Sensei? Heh ? Another one groomed to be a solider. He excelled in his abilities but also paid the ultimate price didn't he.

Naruto: You were the one responsible for my fathers death! Stop your nonsense!

Obito: I did it for peace.

*Meanwhile, Madara is listening. However, he seems bored with their conversation*

Obito: And Kakashi, what about Sasuke?

Kakashi/Naruto: ?!?!

Obito: Another child soldier born in the wrong time. He was a disciple of yours. You should understand now.

Kakashi: ...

Obito: Your life is one of sadness and misery. Join me and we will give this world peace.

Kakashi: ....

Kakashi with his head down and his attitude deflated: My life is full of failures. Obito, what you said to me that day, about teamwork and friends, I held it very close to my heart. But now ... the very person I looked up to as an inspiration to the Shinobi world, stands before me now wanting peace in a different way. My father really was a hero. I lost him as a young boy, I was bitter. Sensei and Rin died young as well. Rin was never loyal to any village. She only completed her mission because she was promised safety at the end of it. Sensei gave his life to protect the people of Konoha. Sasuke is another one. As you said, a child soldier forced into a situation he didn't deserve. Maybe there was a meaning to Rin's words after all. Can peace really only be achieved in an illusion?

Naruto: KAKASHI YOU IDIOT!

*Naruto's thunderous voice is like a slap waking Kakashi up*

Naruto: ARE YOU HONESTLY LISTENING TO THIS RUBBISH!

Kurama thinking: hehehe, Naruto, you really are like the old man.

*Madara suddenly becomes interested*

Naruto: Just like you, I have also wanted to protect my friends. I learnt that from you!

Kakashi: ....

Naruto: I'm going to save Sasuke! Because that's what it means to being a friend!

Naruto: Master Jiriya believed that peace could be achieved at our own will! My father did so to and so do Nagato and Itachi!

Kakashi: ?! Itachi?

Naruto: He was the man who ended Edo Tensei!

Kakashi/Madara/Obito: ?!?!

Naruto: Kakashi, you are my teacher and if you ever utter that crap again, I'm going to PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE

Kakashi: ?!?

Naruto looks at Obito: I don't know who you are but ...

Naruto: Just look at the world. We are no longer villages. We are ONE! We are all comrades in this together!

Kakashi: ?!!!!!

Naruto: And Kakashi, taught me all of this. And I will be the 6th Hokage, believe it!!!!

*Naruto looks at Kakashi*

Naruto smiles: Kakashi, don't change. I'm glad you were my teacher!

*Kakashi smiles ....*

Naruto: Kakashi, I'm proud of you! And I know that my father would be as well!

*Kakashi is shocked, Gai is in tears and Killerbee screams with excitement*

Naruto: I will end all the pain and suffering. We will become friends and move on together! At our own will!

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

actually i just thought about this. there is a possibility even just a little that Kakashi was a zetsu clone because think about it zetsu can share what he is seeing or has seen and since Obito is covered in zetsu goo zetsu can easily make it seem like he saw it through the Sharingan, but the only thing that could make this an impossibility is the sight of kakashi crying but even at that zetsu is good at acting like the person he has transformed into really well

plus zetsu says in this chapter that one of his comrades (being a zetsu clone) was there well he is not seen at the scene so could it be possible that he was disguised as Kakashi?

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Kakashi chidori Rin on accident, knowing that Rin won't make it Kakashi ran off so no leaf ninjas or Minato would see Kakashi kill Rin. Therefore Obito saying "U let Rin die" to Kakashi, Kakashi being surprised not because of Rin's death but wondering how Obito know what happen to Rin even though Kakashi think that Obito die during that time. In conclusion Uchihas betray Uchihas.

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605Predictions

i think it was something like nagato konan and yahiko thingy. maybe the ninjas was like one of you must kill each other or somthing.... and rin told kakashi juss kill me and i can be with obito.... to juss short it up i think rin wanted kakashi to kill her instead of both of them dyiny

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Originally Posted by thewondererer

Someone theorized that the vision that Obito had of Rin dying was from Kakashi's eye, but I would think it is not possible for the Sharingans to link that way otherwise, Kakashi would likely have envisioned Obito's point of view at some point and show it in the manga or at least show that he is disturbed by it. But Kakashi did not ever show such signs.

It makes sense that Kakashi is actually a Zetsu since Zetsus can communicate telepathically with each other at a certain distance and therefore, they can share vision (visual information) together.

yes,this post makes perfect since because the side of obito which was grafted with hashirama\zetsu dna is on thesame side of obito s sharingan.that could imply that a zetsu clone with the appearance of kakashi sent obito that image of rin dying through telepathy...anyway, we will know better the real story in upcoming chapters