Comments on Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12TypePad2013-02-25T05:53:12ZMiami Heraldhttp://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/tag:typepad.com,2003:http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2013/02/me-and-some-of-myfollowers-ontwittergot-into-a-bit-of-a-spat-sunday-afternoon-because-ibelieve-nfl-teams-are-best-served-draf/comments/atom.xml/joe commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d426c2e98970c2013-03-31T15:33:08Z2013-03-31T16:03:18ZjoeI bet the Patriots are going to leapfrog and take TAven Austin. I would grab him at #12 immediately.<p>I bet the Patriots are going to leapfrog and take TAven Austin. I would grab him at #12 immediately. </p>SYL3NT_D34TH commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee951ecb0970d2013-03-14T22:55:24Z2013-03-14T22:55:27ZSYL3NT_D34THhttp://profile.typepad.com/syl3ntd34thHate to insult you but its that egregious: you're an idiot. I liken this reasonable to passing on Randy Moss...<p>Hate to insult you but its that egregious: you&#39;re an idiot. I liken this reasonable to passing on Randy Moss for things besides past production and capability. Its moronic and passing on an obvious talent with tangible past production is the same as passing on Moss because of hearsay and assumptions. You draft talent at #12. Its hard to deny Austin lacks it. </p>Capone commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3738a50f970b2013-03-02T09:15:42Z2013-03-02T09:15:42ZCaponeSteve Smith (Carolina) is 5'9" and 185 lbs. He's been a pretty good WR his career. Look, I'm a Mountaineer...<p>Steve Smith (Carolina) is 5&#39;9&quot; and 185 lbs. He&#39;s been a pretty good WR his career.</p>
<p>Look, I&#39;m a Mountaineer and I&#39;m a Dolfan. I would love Tavon Austin in South Beach. And I understand the reservations about taking him at 12. Can he have the same kind of success in the pros has he has had in college? It&#39;s a gamble, but isn&#39;t every pick?</p>
<p>This offseason should be focused on acquiring play makers and game changers. If a player isn&#39;t about scoring touchdowns, getting sacks, or making interceptions, then we shouldn&#39;t really bother.</p>
<p>Austin may be a reach at 12, but I ask you...is there anyone else that will be available at 12 that you think will be a guarantee? Anyone that has his ability to score at will?</p>James commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d414a0f40970c2013-02-26T13:30:12Z2013-02-26T13:30:12ZJamesSwope is fast but he's not a Quick guy. Alot like Hartline. Also youve got to remember he had at...<p>Swope is fast but he&#39;s not a Quick guy. Alot like Hartline. Also youve got to remember he had at least a couple of concussiond at A+M too. maybe he&#39;s a value in rd 4.I like Denard Robinson. He will be like a Josh Cribbs guy.all purpose player they could probably get late in the draft. Miami needs guys that can take a 7 yd. pass and go 93.</p>James commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4149ff85970c2013-02-26T13:18:16Z2013-02-26T13:18:16ZJamesId love to see the fins get Tavon austin. I wanted them to draft DeShawn Jackson and this kid reminds...<p>Id love to see the fins get Tavon austin. I wanted them to draft DeShawn Jackson and this kid reminds me of him. Davone Bess on steroids...he is electric with the ball in his hands. If they could get him enough touches ,he could be Reggie Bush&#39;s replacement all over the field.Dont be so caught up with the #12 thing. Get him where and when you can. His college teammate,Bailey will play a while in the laegue too btw.</p>Wood commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8bc3a28970d2013-02-26T04:50:15Z2013-02-26T04:50:15ZWoodAustin is only a SLIGHT upgrade over D Bess, same skills just a little faster. Not worth a #1 pick...<p>Austin is only a SLIGHT upgrade over D Bess, same skills just a little faster. Not worth a #1 pick for the little bit of difference.</p>TK SWAN!! commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4146b227970c2013-02-25T21:23:20Z2013-02-25T21:23:21ZTK SWAN!!I CANNOT BELIEVE SOME OF MY FIN FANS SAYING THEY WOULD NOT TAKE THIS GUY IF HE IS AVAILABLE AT...<p>I CANNOT BELIEVE SOME OF MY FIN FANS SAYING THEY WOULD NOT TAKE THIS GUY IF HE IS AVAILABLE AT # 12! WHAT? HAVE WE FORGOT THAT THE PROBLEM IS WE CANNOT SCORE POINTS! I DON&#39;T CARE IF WE DO GET WALLACE SIGN HARTLINE AND AUSTIN.<br />
FORGET SIZE! SIZE? THE MOST PRODUCTIVE WR IN THE NFL THE LAST 5 YEARS IS WES WELKER WHO IS NOT BIG. WHAT ABOUT DUPER,CLAYTON,CEFALO,MOORE? ALL GREAT WR WHO PLAYED FOR WHO? THE DOLPHINS!! HOW DO WE KNOW HE WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE 2ND ROUND? IF BELICHECK GETS HIM EVERYONE WILL THEN ALL OF SUDDEN WILL FEEL AS IF HE IS GREAT PLAYER!! HELL HE IS ALREADY GOOD. LOOK AT THIS WR CORP(WALLACE,HARTLINE,BESS,AUSTIN,BUSH) C&#39;MON MAN HOW DO YOU DEFEND THAT 4 QTS? THAT&#39;S A GROUP THAT IN 4TH QT IN MIAMI&#39; HEAT AND YOU NEED 7PTS TO WIN OR 7 PTS TO PUT AWAY IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP! AS FAR AS THE POUNDING GOES? BULL HE DOESN&#39;T GET THE BALL EVERY PLAY AND SO WHAT HE WILL BE PAID MILLIONS! IF YOU WANT TO WIN THIS YEAR,IF YOU WANT THE FANS BACK,IF YOU WANT A NEW STADIUM TO BE FILLED, THEN GET SOME DAMN PLAY MAKERS WHO CAN PUT POINTS ON THE BOARD. STOP WORRYING ABOUT WHEN YOU SELECT THEM! JUST DAM SELECT THEM . AUSTIN AT # 12? HELL YEAH!</p>Trevor commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d41463133970c2013-02-25T19:05:17Z2013-02-25T19:05:18ZTrevorAlso, the quote about him saying he's the best player in the draft is taken out of context. It wasn't...<p>Also, the quote about him saying he&#39;s the best player in the draft is taken out of context. It wasn&#39;t an out of the blue statement.....he was asked point blank, &quot;Do you view yourself as the top player available at any position?&quot; </p>Trevor commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716edaf970b2013-02-25T19:00:29Z2013-02-25T19:00:31ZTrevorI think it's pretty clear that a few of you have never watched any film/highlights on Tavon Austin, or looked...<p>I think it&#39;s pretty clear that a few of you have never watched any film/highlights on Tavon Austin, or looked at his stats...or much of anything. Had you done any amount of research, you would know that Tavon played for West Virginia University.....not VTech.</p>ericatl commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d41462c20970c2013-02-25T19:00:10Z2013-02-25T19:00:18ZericatlIm thinking #12 will be an O lineman. Dont expect the fins to go out on too many limbs. This...<p>Im thinking #12 will be an O lineman. Dont expect the fins to go out on too many limbs. This is still an ultra conservative organization </p>JS_in_LA commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716ddcc970b2013-02-25T18:42:15Z2013-02-25T18:42:18ZJS_in_LAhttp://profile.typepad.com/jsinlaBTW, for those who think that becnh reps mean a lot for a DE, Hunt did 38 reps (compared to...<p>BTW, for those who think that becnh reps mean a lot for a DE, Hunt did 38 reps (compared to Damontre Moore&#39;s 12), and was a top performer in that catagory.</p>
<p>Watch him play and he pretty much had two moves: Push past you, or push into you, and it worked pretty well. The guy just plain pushed his way into the backfield. Sometimes making a OTackle look comical or weak.<br />
Granted these weren&#39;t usually NFL caliber tackles, but... he did look darned good when he played. Frighteningly so.</p>JS_in_LA commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9fcf9970d2013-02-25T18:36:49Z2013-02-25T18:36:50ZJS_in_LAhttp://profile.typepad.com/jsinlaMargus Hunt was a favorite for me at DE before the combine. The knock on him was his speed, and...<p>Margus Hunt was a favorite for me at DE before the combine. The knock on him was his speed, and experience versus top level talent (he plays against mediocre teams).<br />
But he just ran a blazing 4.6. For a 6&#39;8&quot; 277 DE, I&#39;m impressed a bit more with him.</p>
<p>Questionmarks against the top level talent remain, but damn he looks good otherwise.</p>JS_in_LA commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9f86c970d2013-02-25T18:31:08Z2013-02-25T18:31:08ZJS_in_LAhttp://profile.typepad.com/jsinlaOscar, Woods is a nice wideout on the edge, but doesn't fare well against anybody physical. He absolutely disappeared in...<p>Oscar,<br />
Woods is a nice wideout on the edge, but doesn&#39;t fare well against anybody physical. He absolutely disappeared in big games against stout defenses, and isn&#39;t able to break tackles. He runs around folks well, and tries hard, but just isn&#39;t a physical receiver, IMHO enough for the NFL to be a #1 or #2 receiver.<br />
Good speed threat to have as a #3, and does have good hands. But mid-round guy IMO.<br />
There&#39;s other guys I&#39;d rather have even mid-rounds though.</p>
<p>*************<br />
Craig,<br />
I like Okafor a lot, but he gets his butt kicked quite a lot by being sloppy. If he gets a good line coach who can cure his bad habits, he certainly has the skills. But as is, he&#39;s not a 1st rounder, IMO.<br />
2nd, Yes. And coach &#39;em up.</p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716cecd970b2013-02-25T18:23:36Z2013-02-25T18:23:38Zoscar canosaCain't draft them all, can we?<p>Cain&#39;t draft them all, can we?</p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9f0a1970d2013-02-25T18:21:29Z2013-02-25T18:21:31Zoscar canosaListen, most of these potential Stars in the Draft have already decided which Teams they want to play for. They...<p>Listen, most of these potential Stars in the Draft have already decided which Teams they want to play for. They will either, be absent from the Combine, or be out of shape and/or perform indequately in It. IMO</p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d414605a4970c2013-02-25T18:15:11Z2013-02-25T18:15:20Zoscar canosaRobert Woods is a contender.<p>Robert Woods is a contender.</p>DolphinBoy08 commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d41460591970c2013-02-25T18:15:05Z2013-02-25T18:15:05ZDolphinBoy08Austin is a beast! He hasn't missed a game in eight years. Watch the Oklahoma game. He won't be there...<p>Austin is a beast! He hasn&#39;t missed a game in eight years. Watch the Oklahoma game. He won&#39;t be there in the second round and this is the guy that everybody will regret not taking. I know it it&#39;ll be hard to take him over Patterson or Allen, but I would. He&#39;s a match up nightmare!He&#39;s a cross between D. Jackson and P. Harvin. He&#39;s deep threat that can also play in the slot.</p>Texas_Dolfan commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716c608970b2013-02-25T18:13:45Z2013-02-25T18:13:50ZTexas_DolfanCraig - agree that we disagree. We'll see come April. I say he's gone at 5 to Detroit. I understand...<p>Craig - agree that we disagree. We&#39;ll see come April. I say he&#39;s gone at 5 to Detroit. </p>
<p>I understand the difference between college and pros. I always watch a player with that difference in mind. I try to see what they can bring to the table in the pros more than what they do in college. I am not a big stats guy but do check them.</p>
<p>For Jordan I would play him in space and rush the passer but I&#39;d mix it up quite a bit. I would even play him in the middle in passing downs just to throw in some wrinkles. I can see Jordan playing all over the field. He can rush from the middle just as easy as from the end and play coverage.</p>
<p>When you think about the DT&#39;s Detroit has and that hey&#39;ll lose Avril, that is an ideal trade off for Detroit. </p>Dashi™ commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d414603ee970c2013-02-25T18:13:03Z2013-02-25T18:13:04ZDashi™Oscar, Agreed! CP Didn't Look Good In The Wr Drills! But You Can't Teach Size and Speed!! The Best Wr...<p>Oscar, Agreed! CP Didn&#39;t Look Good In The Wr Drills! But You Can&#39;t Teach Size and Speed!! </p>
<p>The Best Wr In The Draft! R.Woods! If You Saw Him On Any Of The Drills You Can See The Great Agility! And Hands!!</p>
<p>Swope Is A Body Catcher!! He Doesn&#39;t Even Catch With His Hands!! Don&#39;t Expect Him To Stretch And Get It!! Hartline With Alligator Arms!! </p>
<p>I&#39;m Telling You The Best Wr In The Draft! R.Woods! He Will Be The Perfect #2! The Guy Is Basically A 22 Year Old R.Wayne! Can Run All The Routes!! Is A Smart Football Player!! Who Ran A WCO In College!! </p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9e863970d2013-02-25T18:11:59Z2013-02-25T18:12:01Zoscar canosaFunny thing, all those with injury concerns are potential Stars. Makes you wonder, does it?<p>Funny thing, all those with injury concerns are potential Stars. Makes you wonder, does it?</p>Craig M commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716c28f970b2013-02-25T18:09:31Z2013-02-25T18:09:31ZCraig MJS, Okafor's an interesting guy. I think someone is going to get a really good player, later in the first....<p>JS,</p>
<p>Okafor&#39;s an interesting guy. I think someone is going to get a really good player, later in the first. He&#39;d be another great guy to get in a tradeback. I like this guy a lot. And what about the guy from Ghana? When does he get picked? Too risky? Great upside. </p>Steve G commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4145ff92970c2013-02-25T18:07:58Z2013-02-25T18:07:58ZSteve GIreland past up little TY Hilton last year, and Ill bet if he had it to do over again, he...<p>Ireland past up little TY Hilton last year, and Ill bet if he had it to do over again, he wouldn&#39;t have....</p>Craig M commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4145feb2970c2013-02-25T18:06:59Z2013-02-25T18:07:01ZCraig MA bunch of guys will have question marks because of health reasons: Lotulelei Jones Milliner Jordan Now we have Moore...<p>A bunch of guys will have question marks because of health reasons:</p>
<p>Lotulelei<br />
Jones<br />
Milliner<br />
Jordan</p>
<p>Now we have Moore struggling in the bench press and questions about Werner. Does it cause teams to pass and pick someone else? Do one or more of these guys drop to us? Could be.</p>JS_in_LA commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9e1cc970d2013-02-25T18:04:51Z2013-02-25T18:04:55ZJS_in_LAhttp://profile.typepad.com/jsinlaCraig, No worries, Ireland isn't returning my calls, and I won't advocate Mingo at #12 either. Really not sure where...<p>Craig,<br />
No worries, Ireland isn&#39;t returning my calls, and I won&#39;t advocate Mingo at #12 either.<br />
Really not sure where to pick him<br />
But I like his possibilites. But I like a lot of other guys in that position better.</p>
<p>Honestly I&#39;m hoping he&#39;s a OLB. <br />
But at DE, I like numerous people better:<br />
Moore, Werner, Montgomery, Hunt, Okafor for starters, maybe Jordan.</p>
<p>If Moore or Werner is at 12 - grab and run.<br />
The rest on my list are questionable for round 1.<br />
</p>Craig M commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9e073970d2013-02-25T18:03:03Z2013-02-25T18:03:05ZCraig MJS, I like Swope but not until the third, IMO. If teams want to fall in love with him because...<p>JS,</p>
<p>I like Swope but not until the third, IMO. If teams want to fall in love with him because of his speed, then good luck to them. I wasn&#39;t suggesting first round or being a number one receiver. I think he&#39;s be a good number three. I was thinking as a replacement for Hartline, if the team were to move on from him.</p>
<p>Texas,</p>
<p>We&#39;ll disagree about Jordan. Understand, I&#39;m a big fan but I don&#39;t believe he&#39;s an immediate impact guy. Teams in the top ten will be looking for that impact guy, and he&#39;s not there yet. BIG difference between College and the Pros. It&#39;s going to take him a bit to get it. He may go top ten but I think it&#39;s debatable. I think teams will be cautious about the shoulder injury. He was green to start with. Great athletic talent but borderline top ten IMO. That&#39;s why I&#39;d love for this team to get him at 12. Not because he helps us a lot next but because he&#39;s a great talent. He&#39;s the star at the position, IMO.</p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716bc33970b2013-02-25T18:01:42Z2013-02-25T18:01:50Zoscar canosaJust because a WR is fast and white is no reason to get excited. Can he compete here?<p>Just because a WR is fast and white is no reason to get excited. Can he compete here?</p>Mark in Toronto commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9df24970d2013-02-25T18:01:30Z2013-02-25T18:01:31ZMark in Torontohttp://profile.typepad.com/6p010537011600970bThanks Kris, I like you make sacrifices to be in the gym before I hit the office. This morning I...<p>Thanks Kris, I like you make sacrifices to be in the gym before I hit the office. This morning I was on the treadmill at 5:30 and I swear it hurt bad. And I, like you do it because I &quot;NEED&quot; to, it&#39;s like oxygen, water, I need to move to feel good about myself.</p>
<p>Now that being said, when I make the sacrifices for no other reason than to feel good about myself, how does this clown show up with millions on the line and lift like a female place kicker? He knew this day was coming for certain for at least five years. I don&#39;t know this kid but I write him right off.</p>
<p>Great to hear you are having great results with cross-fit and you may be talking me into it ...</p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716b7d6970b2013-02-25T17:57:53Z2013-02-25T17:57:55Zoscar canosaThere are many different ways to cardio-train. I prefer the J&B route.<p>There are many different ways to cardio-train. I prefer the J&amp;B route.</p>Craig M commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4145f509970c2013-02-25T17:56:36Z2013-02-25T17:56:38ZCraig MKris, Good for you, man. I stay active too but don't have NEARLY the drive you do. I'm there 3-4...<p>Kris,</p>
<p>Good for you, man. I stay active too but don&#39;t have NEARLY the drive you do. I&#39;m there 3-4 times a week but never at 5am and I&#39;ve done cross fit type stuff before. God for you for sticking with it. It gets harder as you get older (I forget how old you are again). My goals have changed and it&#39;s more about staying healthy for me and having more energy than have washboard abs. It&#39;s just less important for me, as I get older. </p>
<p>But hats off to you...</p>JS_in_LA commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716b660970b2013-02-25T17:56:10Z2013-02-25T17:56:17ZJS_in_LAhttp://profile.typepad.com/jsinlaMark, Hey man, all i can tell you is what I see, and what I saw with Moore is a...<p>Mark,<br />
Hey man, all i can tell you is what I see, and what I saw with Moore is a natural DE who destroyed guys in college. Literally made them look like they were standing still. He has mutiple ways to getting past tackles, and yes, even bullrushing was one. Maybe he just has excellent leverage, but he pushed tackles into the backfield as well with his less than great arm strength. Not sure what it is he has, but he has something.<br />
And in my opinion it&#39;s for real. All I can say.</p>
<p>*******<br />
Craig,<br />
Reed is all that IMHO, but not in his stats. He wasn&#39;t option #1 or 2 in his offense, and doesn&#39;t have the overall #s (And niether was Hernandez who came from the same school, with similar abilities and #s, but he sure made us look stupid when we played him).<br />
But when Reed did touch the ball, he made things happen. Just like him, that&#39;s all. Watched every game.</p>
<p>And I&#39;m simply not a Swope fan. Before his 40 I had hm 7th round on my own list. He&#39;s Hartline, with a touch more speed. Watch him play, and then tell me you were impressed with his hands, or his separation, or his ability to create his own space. If you&#39;re taking a WR round 1-2 he better be able to create his own space. Hartline can&#39;t, Swope can&#39;t. He&#39;s a 3 receiver in my book.</p>
<p>Just my opinion.</p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9d863970d2013-02-25T17:54:07Z2013-02-25T17:54:08Zoscar canosaYou will live 100 years, Kris. Congratulations.<p>You will live 100 years, Kris. Congratulations.</p>Dashi™ commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9d7bd970d2013-02-25T17:53:22Z2013-02-25T17:53:25ZDashi™DD, Jon Franklin? Don't Know Him. I'm Saying From The RB's That I Know In College Football! Better Said, Have...<p>DD,</p>
<p>Jon Franklin? Don&#39;t Know Him. I&#39;m Saying From The RB&#39;s That I Know In College Football! Better Said, Have Seen In College Football! </p>
<p>M.Ball, S.Taylor, G.Bernard, M.James, The Kid From Ark! Lacy, Lattimore!!</p>
<p>Ball and S.Taylor Did Not Impress Me! I Know They&#39;re Good Football Players! But Both Had Horrible Combines!! Did These Two Train? </p>
<p>Pass Protection Can Be Taught! Running The Ball! Is More Important!! A Running Back Needs To Be Able To Run! </p>
<p>This Draft Has At Least 4 Legit RB&#39;s! The Fins Can Draft A RB With A 4th Round Pick!</p>Kris commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4145ef3a970c2013-02-25T17:50:20Z2013-02-25T17:50:25ZKrishttp://profile.typepad.com/kritoy06Mark.... your post @ 12:43 is the best post by far...imo.... its either in you or it's not....and it sure...<p>Mark....</p>
<p>your post @ 12:43 is the best post by far...imo....</p>
<p>its either in you or it&#39;s not....and it sure as heck ain&#39;t fun....</p>
<p>I hit the gym most days by 5 am....and nobody makes me do it...its just in me...when I retire (early) from my current job....I want to open a gym....</p>
<p>I was thinking it would be a tradition Iron and sweat gym....but after doing his cross-fit for the past 6 weeks or so...I got a new passion...and my body has changed in ways I didn&#39;t think were still possible...</p>
<p>I run in the morings...but cross-fit has taken my cardio and endurance thru the roof...</p>
<p>any way...GREAT POST...imo...</p>Mark in Toronto commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716ae97970b2013-02-25T17:49:50Z2013-02-25T17:49:55ZMark in Torontohttp://profile.typepad.com/6p010537011600970bReed weighs 233lbs - that for sure is one reason he falls. He's not an every down TE or maybe...<p>Reed weighs 233lbs - that for sure is one reason he falls. He&#39;s not an every down TE or maybe not even an in-line TE. But he&#39;s one of the guys I like too. Personally, for this team, there&#39;s a whole lot more value picking Reed in the 3rd than trading up or down or whatever for Ertz or Eifert.</p>Craig M commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716adfb970b2013-02-25T17:49:24Z2013-02-25T17:49:27ZCraig MJS, I don't see Mingo in the JT mode at all. To me this is a guy who just didn't...<p>JS,</p>
<p>I don&#39;t see Mingo in the JT mode at all. To me this is a guy who just didn&#39;t bring it on a consistent basis. JT did, at least as a pro. Now JT was a 3rd pick. If we want to have a conversation about Mingo in the third round, then OK....but not as a top 15 pick. I&#39;m not in on this one. </p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9d3bf970d2013-02-25T17:49:09Z2013-02-25T17:49:20Zoscar canosaWe, are very sensitive to dribble...<p>We, are very sensitive to dribble...</p>Texas_Dolfan commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716acaa970b2013-02-25T17:47:54Z2013-02-25T17:47:55ZTexas_DolfanCraig - Jordan just did the combine while needing shoulder surgery. He played part of the season with that injury....<p>Craig - Jordan just did the combine while needing shoulder surgery. He played part of the season with that injury. He&#39;s scheduled to have surgery later this week and will have a 3 month or so recovery. Teams will love that about him. They will also love the flexibility of what he can do on defense. I can&#39;t remember anyone over 6&#39;5&quot; that has covered WR&#39;s. </p>
<p> </p>Craig M commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9d0fd970d2013-02-25T17:45:28Z2013-02-25T17:45:31ZCraig MJS, I gt what you're saying. But if Reed's all that I don't understand why he doesn't have first round...<p>JS,</p>
<p>I gt what you&#39;re saying. But if Reed&#39;s all that I don&#39;t understand why he doesn&#39;t have first round grade. It can&#39;t be because of his blocking. </p>
<p>By the way, I&#39;m not advocating we take TE at 12. It would be in a tradeback but preferrably in the 2nd round. </p>
<p>Incidentally, and I know it&#39;s been said on here already, Swope looks like a natural for this team. Familiarity with Tannehill, good speed and good hands. Is he a replacement for Hartline or a complement? My guess is, this is a guy Ireland badly wants. But how high do we take him? Do we take him in the second or hope he falls to the third? </p>Mark in Toronto commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716aae0970b2013-02-25T17:45:13Z2013-02-25T17:45:20ZMark in Torontohttp://profile.typepad.com/6p010537011600970bTexas, with Damontre Moore's disgrace, yeah, I can see a team replacing him with Jordan. Jones' stock ahs also been...<p>Texas, with Damontre Moore&#39;s disgrace, yeah, I can see a team replacing him with Jordan. Jones&#39; stock ahs also been solidified by this pathetic display.</p>JS_in_LA commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9d0bc970d2013-02-25T17:45:04Z2013-02-25T17:45:05ZJS_in_LAhttp://profile.typepad.com/jsinlaCraig, Mingo is one of those Jason Taylor types. Doesn't fit where's he supposed to be, but might just work...<p>Craig, <br />
Mingo is one of those Jason Taylor types. Doesn&#39;t fit where&#39;s he supposed to be, but might just work out anyway.<br />
I go back and forth on him.<br />
Playmaker- YEs<br />
Consistent - NO<br />
Plays a particular position- NO<br />
Can cause lots of havoc, and create problems for offenses - YES</p>
<p>Just don&#39;t see him as a 1ster. But he is intriguing.<br />
Really hard call. Rather have a more suitable DE, or OLB than a tweener, but I can&#39;t honestly say he&#39;d be a bad idea. Just plain don&#39;t know.</p>Mark in Toronto commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9cf44970d2013-02-25T17:43:00Z2013-02-25T17:43:04ZMark in Torontohttp://profile.typepad.com/6p010537011600970bJS, warning you ... have we learned nothing from the J martin affair? It is not enough to simply say,...<p>JS, warning you ... have we learned nothing from the J martin affair? It is not enough to simply say, put him in a gym and watch him grow. Working out is not fun .. especially doing it at 6am before team meetings and practices. You hear Warren Sapp at his HOF presentation?? Waking up every morning at 4am.... it&#39;s got to be in you. In college, you can run by guys but in the NFL, they will run at you and make you pay for every one of your weaknesses. He won&#39;t be able to get by in the NFL unless he really finds himself and that&#39;s not the guy I want at 12. Not even in the 2nd round.</p>JS_in_LA commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716a5f6970b2013-02-25T17:39:21Z2013-02-25T17:39:25ZJS_in_LAhttp://profile.typepad.com/jsinlaCraig, I don't want to spend our hard-earned 1ster on a TE. Can't explain why. but just seems like a...<p>Craig,<br />
I don&#39;t want to spend our hard-earned 1ster on a TE. Can&#39;t explain why. but just seems like a compromise shoulder shrug pick.</p>
<p>But....IF I had to pick a TE, it wouldn&#39;t be Ertz or Eiffert. If money or draft picks were no questions, and I had Reed, Eiifert, and Entz standing in front of me and I was picking a team like on a playground, ...no hesitation I&#39;d pick Reed. Guy has ability that you can&#39;t find easily in TEs: He&#39;s a gigantic running back, with break away power, speed, hands, and a good motor. Blocking is average for a TE. Everytime he touches the ball, he has a shot to do soemthing big. Not sure where he fits in the draft, but I liek the guy a lot.<br />
But just don&#39;t want to go TE in the 1st round.</p>
<p>But... I have no good reason not to.</p>Craig M commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9cb08970d2013-02-25T17:39:00Z2013-02-25T17:39:04ZCraig MTexas, Some good insight. Thanks man. I think you're wrong about Jordan. I think the fact he's going to be...<p>Texas,</p>
<p>Some good insight. Thanks man. </p>
<p>I think you&#39;re wrong about Jordan. I think the fact he&#39;s going to be out 3-4 months with the shoulder injury will cause teams to proceed with caution. I like this guy a lot. I don&#39;t believe he&#39;s going to have huge impact this year but I see him as being a stud down the road. Maybe he starts helping next year, maybe in two years. Mingo scares the Hell out of me. I wouldn&#39;t touch him with a ten foot pole. I don&#39;t see anything special in him to be honest. </p>Dashi™ commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c3716a300970b2013-02-25T17:36:13Z2013-02-25T17:36:20ZDashi™Will You Fire Ireland If He Drafted A 5'8" Wr With The #12 Pick? Dashi Will!! I Only Know 1...<p>Will You Fire Ireland If He Drafted A 5&#39;8&quot; Wr With The #12 Pick? Dashi Will!! I Only Know 1 Person Who Thinks A 5&#39;8&quot; Wr Should Be A High Pick! Not Saying Any Names! </p>
<p>First Rd Picks! Should Be The Safest Pick At His Position!! The Prototype Of The Position! </p>
<p>DD,</p>
<p>Will You Fire Ireland If He Drafted One Of These TE&#39;s With The #12 Pick? Dashi Will! Looking At The TE&#39;s In This Draft! None Of Them Seem Valuable! They All Look Average! I Would Actually Go After D.Keller! Or J.Finley! When They Become Available!! </p>
<p>Sign 1 Veteran WR! 1 Veteran TE! And Draft 2 WR&#39;s! High!! </p>
<p>Greenbay South</p>
<p>Jennings<br />
Bess<br />
2 Rookie Wr&#39;s (R.Woods, R.Swope)<br />
Matthews</p>
<p>Finley, Egnew, Clay</p>
<p>Northeastern Dolphin</p>
<p>Wallace<br />
Bess<br />
2 Rookie Wr&#39;s (C.Patterson, T.Austin)<br />
Matthews</p>
<p>Keller, Egnew, Clay</p>
<p>Either Or!! Make It Happen Ireland!! </p>
<p>Oh, Yeah! And Franchise Jake! </p>Texas_Dolfan commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4145e07a970c2013-02-25T17:34:50Z2013-02-25T17:34:50ZTexas_DolfanCraig - As to Goodwin I have only mentioned him regarding the forty time and that he might break the...<p>Craig - As to Goodwin I have only mentioned him regarding the forty time and that he might break the record. I thought Wheaton would be closer than he was as well.</p>
<p>BUT Goodwin will be there early in the third but I have a feeling some team that can afford luxury more than the Dolphins will take him mid to late 3rd. </p>
<p>For the folks worried about the Dolphins grabbing Patterson I am starting to doubt he&#39;ll be there at 12. Some ex-GM&#39;s and coaches have him as early as 6 but also at 8 and 9. Casserly has him at 8, Tannenbaum and Pioli have him at 9 and Billick has him going 6th.</p>
<p>That is why I say earlier that it is more likely that we get Allen, Ansah or Lane Johnson. Mingo might be a consideration if he&#39;s there but I feel he&#39;ll go earlier as well. Moore DE will slip out of the top 10 along with Werner and I would pass at 12 for both. Solid but not playmakers.</p>
<p>AND Mark in Toronto - Jordan will be long gone before 12. </p>
<p>As with any of my post this is just my humble fan opinion. </p>Craig M commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4145dfee970c2013-02-25T17:34:03Z2013-02-25T17:34:05ZCraig MJS, Jimmy Wilson was a risky pick in the 7th round. Seems to have worked out OK. You've convinced me...<p>JS,</p>
<p>Jimmy Wilson was a risky pick in the 7th round. Seems to have worked out OK. You&#39;ve convinced me on the Honey Badger. I could be talked into him 5th round on perhaps. Not sure it&#39;ll happen with Philbin as HC but I think in the right role he&#39;d be worth a late pick. </p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c37169f08970b2013-02-25T17:31:54Z2013-02-25T17:31:55Zoscar canosaFalling back into the drivel, now.<p>Falling back into the drivel, now.</p>DarrylDunphy commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c37169efe970b2013-02-25T17:31:50Z2013-02-25T17:31:55ZDarrylDunphy..JS..LOL @ little terrorist. That made me laugh. I get your point, I do. I think we can disagree. `...<p>..JS..LOL @ little terrorist. That made me laugh. I get your point, I do. I think we can disagree. `</p>
<p>Kris..I thought onr of Bush&#39; strengths was pass pro. For the life of me i can&#39;t find the article that said otherwise. I&#39;ll keep looking, I&#39;m not just making it up to make a point. It was clear that Miller was theat bad, even Thomas had some moments of WTF. </p>JS_in_LA commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9c3e8970d2013-02-25T17:30:38Z2013-02-25T17:30:47ZJS_in_LAhttp://profile.typepad.com/jsinlaPlaymakers, I don' think there's anything obvious at all about Tannehill's worth or standing. He's still very much a WIP,...<p>Playmakers,<br />
I don&#39; think there&#39;s anything obvious at all about Tannehill&#39;s worth or standing. He&#39;s still very much a WIP, and will remain a questionmark until he starts becoming the consistent top tier guy that we all hope he can be.<br />
Showed some good ability, did some good things, showed some lack of maturity too, and did some bad things. Nothing &quot;obvious&quot; in him yet other than he has talent. <br />
But he&#39;s a long way from making the &quot;experts&quot; &quot;obviously wrong&quot;.</p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9c365970d2013-02-25T17:30:08Z2013-02-25T17:30:20Zoscar canosaOnly requisite to block a blitzing Monster is a willingness to be crushed.<p>Only requisite to block a blitzing Monster is a willingness to be crushed.</p>Craig M commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c37169b66970b2013-02-25T17:28:10Z2013-02-25T17:28:20ZCraig MJesse, I'd be happy with either Eiffert or Ertz. Ideal for me would be if we could trade back to...<p>Jesse,</p>
<p>I&#39;d be happy with either Eiffert or Ertz. Ideal for me would be if we could trade back to 18-20 range and still get one of those guys. I don&#39;t believe they will both be gone by 20. We need to upgrade the position and Egnew is a big question mark right now. </p>
<p>WNPs,</p>
<p>What a messed up organization Cleveland is. They commit to Weedon last year in the first and then this year there&#39;s all this talk of trading him or replacing him. They are the classic &#39;how not to do things&#39;. Will it be better under Lombardi? Doubtful. But they have a lot of money to spend in FA, and I fully expect they will go heavy on Jennings and Wallace and maybe even Welker and Hartline. They need to get Weedon help. They drafted him. They need to commit to helping him get better now. </p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4145d851970c2013-02-25T17:25:05Z2013-02-25T17:25:08Zoscar canosaIf you saw Cordarelle in that pass-catching drill yesterday, DD, you could see that hes not smooth, fluid as he...<p>If you saw Cordarelle in that pass-catching drill yesterday, DD, you could see that hes not smooth, fluid as he can be. Nothing that he cannot modify with training, but not this year.</p>Kris commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9bdad970d2013-02-25T17:23:44Z2013-02-25T17:23:50ZKrishttp://profile.typepad.com/kritoy06If Miller is to dumb to block the guy that crosses his face...then HOUSTON...we got a problem.... and Daryl...I thought...<p>If Miller is to dumb to block the guy that crosses his face...then HOUSTON...we got a problem....</p>
<p>and Daryl...I thought Bush was pretty good as well in pass protection...</p>
<p>and not just cause it makes y argument...I honestly thought he was pretty good @ piacking upp the free man....</p>JS_in_LA commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9bd0d970d2013-02-25T17:22:47Z2013-02-25T17:22:50ZJS_in_LAhttp://profile.typepad.com/jsinlaDD, Obviously not a Matthieu fan. Might be a bust. Has legit problems with keeping clean. But he IS an...<p>DD,<br />
Obviously not a Matthieu fan.<br />
Might be a bust. Has legit problems with keeping clean.<br />
But he IS an instinctual terrorizer in the defensive backfield. Can&#39;t teach it.<br />
And he has legit concerns with size etc. too.<br />
However, that said, he was still considered top tier talent to go to the NFL before he got kicked off them team.<br />
So, you just are hoping he doesn&#39;t usrup another players place in a position of need? Sure, I undersatnd and agree. But once you get into round, you&#39;re just looking for a lucky break fo any kind.<br />
All I&#39;m saying is that I&#39;d like the guy on my team, and he would have a role to play, just doubtful as a standard corner or safety. But people do forget how un-standard defenses become around primary-throwing teams like the Patriots, and how we have 5 or 6 DBs on our backfield at a time - playing zone, and looking to do exactly what Matthieu excels at.</p>
<p>So, once again to clarify, he&#39;s not on my list to go 1-4. But I&#39;m taking chances starting round 5-6 and I like guys who have his kind of skills on my team. He&#39;s a little terrorist that can turn the tide in a close game, or give you a sudden break. Why the heck not give him a shot if he&#39;s not costly? </p>Craig M commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9bcc2970d2013-02-25T17:22:30Z2013-02-25T17:22:31ZCraig MGuys, if there were no questions about Patterson there's not a chance he'd even be there at 12. DD, what...<p>Guys, if there were no questions about Patterson there&#39;s not a chance he&#39;d even be there at 12. DD, what scount like about this guy is his athletic ability. He has good speed and he can go up and get the ball. Do we have anyone like that on the team right now? Not that I can think of. Is there enough evidence there to make him a slam dunk? I don&#39;t think there is. But there&#39;s questions on all of these guys. Exceptions might be Warmack and the top tackle. I don&#39;t believe it&#39;s a particularly strong draft, or maybe what I should say is, it&#39;s not clear that it&#39;s a particularly strong draft. I don&#39;t see any &#39;can&#39;t misses&#39; there for us at 12. Even if Milliner is still there, I believe he comes with question marks too. So with us having gaping holes at the position, I believe Patterson should be part of the discussion. If he doesn&#39;t work out then we need to re-evaluate the position in 2-3 years. But we need to start getting some playmakers at the position, rather than &#39;safe&#39; picks. I like this better than doling out $50-60 mil contracts at the position. </p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4145d52a970c2013-02-25T17:21:12Z2013-02-25T17:21:20Zoscar canosaThere might be some exciting O Players after the 1st Rd afterall, because, as sure as there is 02 in...<p>There might be some exciting O Players after the 1st Rd afterall, because, as sure as there is 02 in the atmosphere, there will be a great run of Dlinemen first in this Draft.</p>We Need Playmakers commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c37169566970b2013-02-25T17:20:55Z2013-02-25T17:20:57ZWe Need PlaymakersBut Is he 1st round? Probably shouldn't be, but neither was Tannehill. Somebody probably will take him 1st round. The...<p>But Is he 1st round? Probably shouldn&#39;t be, but neither was Tannehill. Somebody probably will take him 1st round. The tlanet pool is shrinking a little after the 40, so I expect him to still be standing as part of the top tier group expected to go top round.</p>
<p>JS,</p>
<p>I disagree about Tannehill. The experts who said he needed to sit a year or two &amp; develop were obviously wrong. What Tannehill really needs are better players around him. Now taking Weeden who is 29 years old in the first??? That was a stretch. However he got screwed as well by getting drafted by a bad team. </p>
<p>Does anyone know that Steve Young played in TB??? Does anyone really think he&#39;d win a SB or be in the HOF if Bill Walsh didn&#39;t trade to get him in SF??? QB&#39;s need help around them or they&#39;ll get eaten up in the NFL. Phil Simms used to get killed &amp; was hated in NY before they built a team around him. Same with Terry Bradshaw. </p>DarrylDunphy commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017c371690dc970b2013-02-25T17:15:48Z2013-02-25T17:15:50ZDarrylDunphy..Dashi..Yeah but can they pass protect?? I'll take Jon Franklin over both of them. Better all around back. Catches the...<p>..Dashi..Yeah but can they pass protect?? I&#39;ll take Jon Franklin over both of them. Better all around back. Catches the ball, and won&#39;t get your quarterback killed. </p>
<p>I don&#39;t remember where I read the stats. It might have been from Ben Volin. But Dolphin running backs were second worse in the NFL at protecting the passer. That is unacceptable, and of ourse one reason Miller never saw much action. Bush suprises me, because I thought he was pretty good at pass pro. Not according to the breakdown.</p>Jesse in Boston commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017d4145cf40970c2013-02-25T17:14:25Z2013-02-25T17:14:27ZJesse in BostonCraig M, I agree, and I personally would take Eifert at #12. This of course assuming Ireland gets either Jennings...<p>Craig M,</p>
<p>I agree, and I personally would take Eifert at #12. This of course assuming Ireland gets either Jennings or Wallace in Free Agency. I see no reason why one of those WRs are not in Miami ealry on in Free Agency, given our Cap $$$ available.<br />
&#39;<br />
If we try and get greedy and trade back to get Eifert later in the 20s, HE WILL BE GONE!!!!!!!!!!!</p>oscar canosa commented on 'Tavon Austin a combine star but not a fit at No. 12'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b26169e2017ee8b9b562970d2013-02-25T17:14:07Z2013-02-25T17:14:08Zoscar canosaThis former shot-putter, Margus Hunt, looks like some kind of active Beast, more than JPP was at his time.<p>This former shot-putter, Margus Hunt, looks like some kind of active Beast, more than JPP was at his time.</p>