I'd rather have both 450 and 300 lb lighter.... Aaand throw in 8300 rpm
Now that sounds more fun.

And maybe make it a NA V8 Frankly.. makes the decision tough to move from the current model for me (because as much as the specs are good, they aren't great and won't make a massive difference when driving on Roads... how many of us really Drag Hondas off at every set of lights....)

On the flip side, I am very interested to see how this looks... keen to perhaps own the M3 and keep her older sister the E92 M3 in the garage!

I've just read all these posts...
And I Love their motorcycles and cars.
I sincerely hope the new M4 has numbers that can compete with the rest of the manufacturers today.
I now have a poster of the new C7 Stingray hanging in my man cave surrounded by numerous BMW motorcycle rally shirts.
BMW ///M... I hope your reading these rants and hopes. Competitive numbers along with good track manners will earn my jing.

The C63 is a pig? Chris Harris doesn't think so, and I hold him in high regards...

Yes, I said pig. Oink Oink. I hold Mr. Harris in high regards as well, but that does not take away from the fact that the C63 weighs a LOT. The reason why it performs the way it does is because of the nuclear missile underneath the hood. I was an AMG Specialist for Mercedes-Benz for 5-years so I'm well aware of the weight the the car. My previous comment in calling it a Pig was in comparison to our M3's.

Excellent. And I've owned both cars at the same time and would take the C63 over the M3 in an everyday driving scenario all day long. Not even comparable cars. Great name btw...ghetto...lol.

I'll be comparing the new m3/m4 with the m2. Not just the numbers but the total package.

The next year or so is going to be very interesting. Handling, Weight and Powaaah all matter to me.

My excitement level for my pending choices follows:

1. The M2:
Saw a ton of 1M's at the Nurburgring in September and (as we all know), they are fun 'lil beasts. Looking forward to see how the M2 moves the platform forward.

2. Keeping my E92 M3:
She's still brand new and (as every owner has said a million times), the V8 + handling combo is great. Is it my old Rx-7 weight wise? No, but she hides her weight better then detractors will admit.

3. The M3/M4:
Kinda reminds me of the E36 M3. The best analogy? No, but... it's just a feeling I have. BMW has said they need to hit it out of the park with this car. If they do, I'm on board.

And weight, F30 have steel sub-frame and F30 rear suspension is all steel. Change material on aluminium potential weigth save 20-kg? It´s not enought, F80 still share same basic frame? whit F30 and it´s weigth is 1620kg. I think only choice to make e46 target weight is use lots carbonfiber. Maybe there is little suprise hope so.., i3 and i8 are coming 2013 and they got full carbonfiber body and Bmw may learn lots to make cf panels economically.

Does it matter if the M3 is eclipsed in the power stakes by an older competitor? to some that would ring true especially if there reason is just to have something pretty on the driveway to show off that they have the BMW M3. The iconic , admired performance car . of course I am not mocking the driveway M3 owners that is progress and if it was the E30 today it would still be the same.

To understand why the M3 is iconic then you have to look at the expertise in chassis engineering and dynamics development it is intensive it is unique to that car and of course that statement that the basis car has to be exceptional. BMW makes sure that happens , an M3 is more than just a package with sporting aerodynamics an M3 is all about that synergy between track and road just because your car is tested around the Ring does it mean your car is tailored for the Ring.

The M3's legacy lies within and that is where the car is born from, how do you make a great car even better and that justifies BMW M. Performance is more than just Performance. Precision is more than dynamics and Passion is more than a marketing meeting to justify a cause.
Every M3 is iconic and original the goal is to beat the previous model not a competitor as the benchmark for an M3 is an M3 or in this case , the M4 will stress to develop a new icon for BMW M.

BMW M know that each M3 must have that purely kinetic symphony and the most realistic synergy between road and the track that is why the M3 remains iconic , original and undefeated because everybody involved with this project know it has to be right, and as I said the imitators just get it wrong because they are too busy trying to best the M3 they fail to understand its legacy.
Which judging from the remarks in this thread some still continue to doubt.
An M3 has a legacy because it embodies progression why don't you wait and see before you judge.

Shedding weight is nice but I'm not sure if they'll pull off saving hundreds of pounds. I don't like the trend to bigger cars in general, and the E92 is already big as it is. Going M2 would be tempting from that point of view, but then I would have problems dealing with the shitty 1 series-like interior.

Then there is the engine, turbo I6, you mean like all these bmw's on the road? nothing special about that, shame if they get rid of the V8.

Does it matter if the M3 is eclipsed in the power stakes by an older competitor? to some that would ring true especially if there reason is just to have something pretty on the driveway to show off that they have the BMW M3. The iconic , admired performance car . of course I am not mocking the driveway M3 owners that is progress and if it was the E30 today it would still be the same.

To understand why the M3 is iconic then you have to look at the expertise in chassis engineering and dynamics development it is intensive it is unique to that car and of course that statement that the basis car has to be exceptional. BMW makes sure that happens , an M3 is more than just a package with sporting aerodynamics an M3 is all about that synergy between track and road just because your car is tested around the Ring does it mean your car is tailored for the Ring.

The M3's legacy lies within and that is where the car is born from, how do you make a great car even better and that justifies BMW M. Performance is more than just Performance. Precision is more than dynamics and Passion is more than a marketing meeting to justify a cause.
Every M3 is iconic and original the goal is to beat the previous model not a competitor as the benchmark for an M3 is an M3 or in this case , the M4 will stress to develop a new icon for BMW M.

BMW M know that each M3 must have that purely kinetic symphony and the most realistic synergy between road and the track that is why the M3 remains iconic , original and undefeated because everybody involved with this project know it has to be right, and as I said the imitators just get it wrong because they are too busy trying to best the M3 they fail to understand its legacy.
Which judging from the remarks in this thread some still continue to doubt.
An M3 has a legacy because it embodies progression why don't you wait and see before you judge.

I find it ironic that someone from ///marketing is blabbering about "iconic" this and "legacy" that when they're ready to butcher the ///M3 name for the sake of exclusivity and a bigger paycheck...

Also, Unless ///M has a trick underneath their sleeve with the new chassis (f80/f82), I don't see them saving 300lbs. Especially considering they already confirmed that the only CFRP that will be used is on the roof and the first BMW production vehicle to make use of the CFRP will be the new 7series.

Shedding weight is nice but I'm not sure if they'll pull off saving hundreds of pounds. I don't like the trend to bigger cars in general, and the E92 is already big as it is. Going M2 would be tempting from that point of view, but then I would have problems dealing with the shitty 1 series-like interior.

Then there is the engine, turbo I6, you mean like all these bmw's on the road? nothing special about that, shame if they get rid of the V8.

Does it matter if the M3 is eclipsed in the power stakes by an older competitor? to some that would ring true especially if there reason is just to have something pretty on the driveway to show off that they have the BMW M3. The iconic , admired performance car . of course I am not mocking the driveway M3 owners that is progress and if it was the E30 today it would still be the same.

To understand why the M3 is iconic then you have to look at the expertise in chassis engineering and dynamics development it is intensive it is unique to that car and of course that statement that the basis car has to be exceptional. BMW makes sure that happens , an M3 is more than just a package with sporting aerodynamics an M3 is all about that synergy between track and road just because your car is tested around the Ring does it mean your car is tailored for the Ring.

The M3's legacy lies within and that is where the car is born from, how do you make a great car even better and that justifies BMW M. Performance is more than just Performance. Precision is more than dynamics and Passion is more than a marketing meeting to justify a cause.
Every M3 is iconic and original the goal is to beat the previous model not a competitor as the benchmark for an M3 is an M3 or in this case , the M4 will stress to develop a new icon for BMW M.

BMW M know that each M3 must have that purely kinetic symphony and the most realistic synergy between road and the track that is why the M3 remains iconic , original and undefeated because everybody involved with this project know it has to be right, and as I said the imitators just get it wrong because they are too busy trying to best the M3 they fail to understand its legacy.
Which judging from the remarks in this thread some still continue to doubt.
An M3 has a legacy because it embodies progression why don't you wait and see before you judge.

Is the S55 going to have a higher redline than the standard N55? I am hoping for 7.5k rpm.