Last week I wrote an article called Indirect Vs. Direct Game, which discussed the best method of “opening”—that is, initiating a conversation—with a beautiful girl who you’ve just met through day game. But while many guys spend a lot of time agonizing over which line to use, the truth is opening is only part of the battle. The real meat of day game is in maintaining a conversation and then getting her number.

What Is A Conversation?

Well, we all know what a conversation is, don’t we? It’s when two human beings exchange views and information with each other verbally. The problem we encounter in day game is this, though: how does one maintain a conversation with a perfect stranger when there is no real reason to talk to them at all?

Last week, when I discussed openers, I talked about how there are really two ways to go, direct and indirect. Sure, there is debate around this, but the method which Roosh prefers, as discussed in his day game classic Day Bang, is going indirect, starting off with an “elderly opener”—that is, the sort of conversational gambit a senior citizen would use—to get things going. Assuming you choose this sort of approach, then what you need to do next is to keep things going by rambling.

Rambling

In normal circumstances, such as when we are talking to friends, coming up with what to say next isn’t really an issue. If we are already friendly or intimate with someone then most of the time the conversation just seems to “flow” without much difficulty. When you meet a girl on the street, or in a coffee shop or book store, then your aim should be to simulate this sort of flow as closely as you can to generate a sense of connection (and indeed, to create a genuine connection in doing so.)

Unfortunately, this means that you are going to have to put in a lot of the initial ground work.

It’s no good just to ask a girl you’ve just met a load of interview-style questions. Such a strategy just won’t cut it. Not only is it boring, and what pretty much every average dude on the street would try if he had the balls to approach in the first place, but it also risks being unduly personal upfront—something that can “scare the cat” when you’re talking to a new girl.

Instead, the method Roosh advocates in Day Bang, one that has worked for many thousands of day gamers the world over, is to ramble conversationally while throwing out “bait” for the girl to get hooked on.

How do you do this? The secret is simply to keep talking for as long as possible (until you’ve got her number or she’s outright rejected you) while throwing in tantalizing tidbits of information about yourself that she will be intrigued by and will have no choice but to question you on.

The point of all game is to reveal your personal value to women in a way that is not obvious, and crucially, to get her to ask you a personal question.

Say you’ve gone in with an elderly opener about the laptop she is using in the coffee shop, and you happen to be writing a spy thriller in your spare time. Your job is to let her know this. After all, she won’t meet a man who’s writing a spy thriller every day, and therefore you are interesting, and most likely attractive to her as a result.

But you shouldn’t make the mistake of simply walking up to her and saying “Hi. I’m very cool as I’m writing a spy thriller,” any more than you should say that you own a Ferrari or manage a hedge fund or something similar. Instead, you should communicate your value covertly.

So if the topic is laptops, you should find a way to chat about your experience of laptops in a general way while throwing in your writerly bait. Like this:

So it’s a Dell. You know, I used to have an HP when I was travelling through Europe. It was a little heavy, but it worked really well. Not only was it fast, but it has loads of memory, which was useful for the project that I was working on at the time.

There are two bits of bait in this short example. The first is the mention of Europe. The second is the project. Most people are interested in travel to some degree, Because you have mentioned Europe but you haven’t been overly specific (i.e you didn’t say “when I traveled to Paris via Madrid and then spent three weeks in Berlin before flying back home”) then you have opened up the opportunity for her to ask you a question. And because you have thrown in a mention of your “project” (rather than your “spy novel set in the Cold War involving a tough but tender, hard-drinking member of MI5 and a Russian plot to assassinate a member of the British government”) then the field is open for her to ask questions about that, too.

Rambling is perhaps the most difficult part of the day game kit for guys to pick up as the notion of talking aimlessly about random subjects to a stranger seems counter to our naturally logical tendencies. But it is a skill that we all need to master if we are to achieve greater success with women.

Roosh has some great exercises to improve your skills in this area in Day Bang. The most important thing, though, when you’re in front of a girl, is just to keep talking no matter what. Don’t worry overly if what you’re saying seems silly. Your aim is to get her to ask you a personal question. It is at this point—when she has made an equitable investment in the conversation—that you can proceed to the next part of the interaction, the close. Keep talking long enough, throw in enough bait and sooner or later she is likely to make the kind of investment that will give you the green light to proceed.

Closing

Once the girl has made an investment into the conversation by asking you for some personal detail such as your name, your age or what you do (and remember, these are for more potent indicators of interest in the daytime than at night) then you are ready to “go for the close.”

This really means one of three things. Either you take her phone number to arrange a date for another time, take her phone number and then get her to come out later that day, or take her on an instant date. If you’re a newbie and are wondering what to do, the best option is simply to take her number. Prolonging the interaction could be to your detriment unless you’re confident that your social skills are on point and that you’ll be able to strengthen your connection rather than sabotage it.

The problem that you have in this segment of the pull—even when she has shown interest by hooking—is that it can seem disjointed and clumsy to simply ask for her phone number after a ten minute conversation about laptops. So how do you segue from chit chat into arranging to meet up to get to know each other better?

Roosah outlines a great strategy in Day Bang he calls “Galnuc.” I won’t go into too much detail here, but Galnuc is a smooth and clever way of getting from “Well, I’m working on a spy thriller at the moment’ to “Let’s meet for drinks—give me your number and I’ll message you in the week”.

The great thing about Galnuc (and the meaning behind the term will become clear when you read the book) is that it covers everything that you need to say to a girl in order to be in with a chance of seeing her again. Okay, the main tangible result you can expect to see from day game is phone numbers, but in themselves they are not enough. What you really want are dates. Glanuc is a strategy which, if executed correctly, means that you are far more likely to get them.

Next week I will discuss the best venues to use for day game and how to work them.

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Roosh has some great tips on how to develop your day game in his classic book Day Bang, home of the “elderly chat” strategy and the now infamous “pet shop” line. Day Bang, which I will be referencing throughout my day game series, is a 201-page book that solely focuses on approaching women during the day. Using dozens of examples, it teaches you how to meet girls in common daytime venues like the coffee shop, retail store, street, bookstore, and grocery store, among others. It’s available on paperback, Kindle, or ebook. Click here to learn more about Roosh’s book.

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lolbooks are def a thing of the past. I downloaded pretty much ever book ever written from torrent sites and organized them in a free program called Calibre. I literally stole all the books. Every fucking book. I can put about 50 of them on my phone. When I am done push them back to my external harddrive and put 50 new ones on. I have so much content that I will never finish organizing the books let alone reading them. This includes all the cover art and any illustrations. I also have every comic book. I don’t even like comic books but when you can just download ALL of them for free. WTF not?

If anyone under 60 is going into a book store to buy something then it is absolutely insane. Every time some dumb fucking hipster tells me about the tactile feel of a book I can feel my eyes 360….why not really “keep it real” and read off of old papyrus…why not stone tablets. Sit there in the park with a stone tablet just a-readin’ the day away.

I think if it wasn’t for homeless people and child molesters we could finally get rid of libraries as well.

Not sure where you’re located but in america most the bookstores have gone bust like video rental stores. College towns might have one or two specialty book stores. Most people want the unlimited selection of the internet. It makes ROK look dated when they tell people to practice pick up in bookstores. Its like what year is this 1999?

That’s a false paradigm. I write C++ like it was children’s poetry and have an iPad. I still like a paper book, but have no issues with e-books. I read both, depending on my mood. Plus it helps my eyes relax a bit not constantly being focused on a glowing screen.

Or, linked to me getting a headache from straining at an electronic screen all day. It’s preceded by an intense aversion to florescent lights, almost makes me “light blind”. Usually I have to walk outside or go to a dark room for a bit. Doesn’t happen often, but enough that I try to head it off at the pass. It’s a me thing, but paper books fill the bill where nothing else does.

Stop using outdated programming languages Jeffy, C# is far more effective and doesn’t have nearly as many issues, the things we could teach each other my love.
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The problem I have with e-books is you can’t display the whole page then when you zoom. You’ll have to shift left to right and back just to read a line across the page. With a book, I don’t need reading glasses…yet.

Oh Jeffy, I think I’ll post that poem I wrote for you again, as you didn’t appreciate it the first time. God, I feel like Keats x
There was a man named Jefferson
Who liked to drink semen by the metric ton,
He liked to post on return of kings,
About homophobia, sexism and other things,
But we all know he really likes it up the bum….

Being quiet can work if done in the right way, gets the female hamster running full speed. Wow he is so deep and enigmatic! Andy Warhol had to learn the art of shutting the fuck up, and it paid serious dividends for him.

After your initial hello and you give your elderly opener, listen to key words she says and build on it. Rather than have her ask you about your trip to Europe, ask her if she’s been there. Ask her questions about her experience and let her tell you. If she hasn’t, ask her where she’s been that was interesting and why. Let her talk about herself and listen to new key words she says and ask about that.

After a few minutes, look at the time and tell her you have somewhere to go. Ask for her number to continue the conversation. This will make her think you’re connecting with her, yet you’re still a mystery to her because you’ve revealed very little about yourself (she was doing all the talking).

To piggy back on what you said. I found it effective asking women “tell me the story behind xyz.” This allowed them to expand on the subject matter and an opportunity for further conversation on many other things.

I remember there was an article a while ago (one of Troy’s I believe) that said to refrain from questions that can be answered with a yes or no. Instead of asking if she enjoyed her trip to wherever, ask what she enjoyed about it. Force her to open up and talk to you.

Precisely! it’s an art form. Many women i have been out on dates with are just not very interesting. Also, they have trouble engaging in conversation. Could be a) they are not that into me or b) they have very little personality and lack the ability to elaborate on different topics.

I appreciate that, good sir. In hindsight, I can come off as a bit intimidating (e.g., express masculine behavior, always look in their eyes, take the lead, ask substantive questions, engage in philosophical discourse, etc).

On a similar topic, many women I approach during the day get extremely nervous, I can feel it when I shake their hands and hear it in their voice.

I believe in carrying yourself a certain way, make yourself seem larger than life. It gives off a certain mystique about you.

Plus you don’t have to pretend you are enjoying the conversation–if you ask interesting questions it’s actually enjoyable to listen. If you are a stranger I don’t really give a shit what school you went to or where you went on your last vacation or what your major is. But if you can explain to me why you made a career choice, what you enjoyed on your last trip, etc. then you have my attention.

Yes. Questions like how did you get into that? Or why did you decide to go do that? Rather than questions like, how’s being an accountant kind of forces women to elaborate and invest more of their time explaining themselves and trying to come up with an interesting answer.

Top shelf advice. If there’s one thing that makes a great conversationalist, it’s the man who prompts people to talk about themselves. People love to talk about themselves, but won’t remember their own rambling, just that you “seemed so interesting and clever” because you gave them permission and prompting to talk about their favorite subject without shame.

semantics……but effective too…….talking about themselves is their favorite subject, but that gets old fast…….i personally like to keep things in overdrive, and keep things as sexual as i think i can get away with…….i don’t want to marry the girl, i want to fuck her

I started using energy shots with 16,666% the daily dose of vitamin B12. Side effects include 4 hour erection. I was able to do 1 arm push-ups in the gym using only my boner. Girls wouldn’t stop talking to me.

Talking/rambling/striking up random conversation has always been a weak point for me. I grew up being very shy and timid and believed no one really cared what I had to say. I still believe that to a degree but as I’ve gotten older, talking to strangers has been a little easier.

This is 100% true. I have a basic test I do to see if I need to bail out. The moment a girl says she likes how I sing I know I need to run because she likes me way too fucking much. I am a terrible singer. But every girl that has gone bat shit crazy on me always told me she loved when I would sing.

If I pull out the ole acoustic and play a song and she things my singing was great it is time to run.

If you really have an issue with this, watch this guy. He asks randoms for their panties. He tells them, only after, that for each pair of panties he will donate 100 dollars to cervical research. Watch how he talks to these girls. Nothing special at all. Exactly the kind of rambling TF talks about here. Even the ones that say no, for the most part, treat him nicely.

Honestly, I’d be afraid that some bitch who couldn’t take a joke would call the cops and end up getting me hooked on a trumped up sexual harassment charge.

My first job was in retail at a Halloween store. We had such a huge problem with theft that it got to the point we no longer allowed people to bring in purses, diaper bags, backpacks, etc. These women would get so pissed off when you told them they couldn’t bring their purse into the store. I hated having to do that, but looking back, I’d love to relive that just so I could have some fun with it.

Notice the location in the video. It looks like right on the edge of the beach where women are comfortable being half naked to begin with. Also american accent, you couldn’t do this in many other cultures. Also the age of the females, all under 30 y/o they are more open minded. Also the man doing the approaching has a wing man with a camera to record the entire situation so the female can’t falsely accuse him of assault. You should be careful doing stuff like this in shopping mall or some hysterical feminist could scream rape these days. Situational awareness is key.

Also, about half of them seemed to have accents. When you consider he got maybe 3-4 panties, who knows what his success rate was, maybe 3-4%? And that’s among young, foreign girls wearing very little already at the beach. I would not try this where I live.

Many years ago I have a friend who was a good guy. Real knock around guy. He was much bigger than me and I am not small. Anyway, there was a situation with a girl that came up and I nearly let the opportunity pass. My friend turned to me and hit me in the chest so hard I saw stars. I thought he would have caved in my entire rib cage if he went any harder. I said “what the fuck” and he laughed and said “worst she can do is hit you and im pretty sure she can’t hit you that hard”

I wound up following this girl into a ladies room and created one of my all time favorite and most enduring life stories … the details of which are so shocking and hilarious that a dozen punches like that would have been worth it.

That was, oh, I don’t know, some 10 years or so ago. To this day if I ever feel any hesitation about talking to a woman I remember that punch.

I was and, to a certain degree, still am in this stage. I recommend striking up conversations with random adults of any sex and color. It will help you ease in when you begin approaching women. Also, use your smile when approaching and talking to women. I find it to be effective in my experience.

In addition to conditioning you to be confortable approaching and striking up a conversation with strangers, it will teach you to read certain body language. You’ll be able to tell if the girl’s into you or not.

Can’t tell you the number of opportunities I missed not picking up on these subtle cues.

Solid! Indeed those are some very good indicators. I’ll be more attentive to their body language. to your third paragraph, it is very abstract. In my experience, the bitchy ones are easy to nail down–literally and figuratively. I give them a bit of asshole game and they come back for more. I am a sucker for sweet girls but those are the most dangerous in many facets.

One good way to observe and learn is to watch couples on a date at a restaurant or cafe. Watch which way she’s facing when they’re talking. Her facial expressions and so on. If she’s looking towards the exit frequently, she’s bored and wants to leave. If she’s facing him, giggling, touchy and feely with him, she’s into him.

True, don’t worry too much about the arms crossed one though, especially if it’s cold out. Sometimes I cross my arms when I’m cold or nervous (not always a bad thing for pick-up purposes, sometimes a girl will be nervous around you if she thinks you’re cute, especially if she is very young and/or inexperienced) or just because.

Everyone tells me I’m very sweet, but I do get tense and irritable when I’m really super horny. But that only happens when I go too long without “double-clicking my mouse”. I remember one time it had been about 2 weeks, I was sitting with a friend and fiddling with a pencil sort of like a stress ball and I snapped it and she was like “Are you ok?”

If she’s cold with her arms crossed, pull her closer against you to keep her warm. You’ll know right there and then if she likes you and it’s innocent enough you were just being a gentleman keeping her warm in the cold weather.

So is your reluctance talking to women or talking to strangers? Overcoming hesitation to talking to strangers is just basic sales training. You must talk to make a sale and you don’t give a fuck who they are, male or female, young or old, or what they look like. That’s a logical stepping stone to approaching females, because females then become just another type of prospect in your customer data base. Stop focusing on converting the prospect, and just focus on approaching. Who cares if she reciprocates your interest? It was just a practice run, taking her temperature, checking her mood.

Heres a good formula for guys who feel ineffective making conversation. Women like conversations that elicit emotions. Making her think about a time when (insert intense experience here) will make her feel very alive in what could have otherwise been a boring conversation. Push pull. Tease here and compliment her, but adjust the amount to the girls reaction. Practice passing shit tests. Talk about the future and goals. Learn cold reading abilities(being able to guess things about her personilty or life is like crack to some women).

Im under the legal drinking age in my country and I often see in articles like this that getting drinks is a good first meet-up idea. I haven’t exactly tried day game yet but was wondering if anyone has some good alternative venues to bring a woman for the first date?

You’re stuck with coffee which can be bad because it doesn’t relax like alcohol. Order 1 dessert and 2 forks to share while you drink your coffee. Sharing food nudges things in the right direction, so it will feel less like coffee break at work.

coffee, park, beach, juice bar (my personal fav), book store, chocolate shop, circus — literally anything…..ask her to go and get some kites and take them to an open area and fly them…go roller skating, surfing, bicycling, fuckin’ spelunking.

Do something you are great at so she is impressed. Do something you never tried before so you can learn something together….fuck, tell her to come with you to get a hair cut. Literally anything.

These kinds of articles are to teach men who have been raised blue pill and taught to be deferential from birth. Without fathers in their lives or having a blue pill father, they were never given instruction. Don’t begrudge men just waking up, their education.

Right? Key to good conversation: Make sure she’s in the mood to be approached. Smile, make eyes. I smile back more than once, you have some digits in the bag. Not that hard. BUt a boy rolls up on me working in a coffee shop, literally rambling and trying to instigate feelings-convo… instant turnoff. Why I started doing a lot of my work from gay bars/cafes in Chelsea. It’s hard to be outright dismissive because you never know how crazy some random guy is going to be, so I’m usually polite and give fake digits, hope they don’t text me ’til I’m out the door.

Additionally: lol. Who has a Dell. (Not even dignifying with a question mark.)

Leave it up to a female to insinuate that a form of lying is polite. Do you even have a conscience?

Cool story? I could have gone the rest of my life without needing to read your comment. It’s not at all related to mine; I’m not sure why you even replied, so if anybody should be saying cool story, it should be me.

politeness… (Though like I said, you never know how crazy a random person is, especially if they’re rambling. Yeah, you give fake numbers. Whatever it takes to get them to leave you alone and not stalk you all day.)

As someone who spent nearly his entire young life behind a computer or TV screen, “trying hard” is the only way for me to make up lost time and become (or fake becoming) a “normal” person so he can make friends and get laid. Conversation with women isn’t a natural thing for everyone.

If true, This is a major weakness in my day game. I operate under the assumption that you should focus on trying to get the GIRL to talk as much as possible.

I’m great at elderly game, but rambling about myself to a stranger or about pointless things like what brand of laptop she uses is not my style. I have read a good bit that getting a girl to talk about herself is key, it makes her feel connected and trusting to you. But maybe this is better for the first date. But I do kind of what J. Hue describes below.

Haha, well kind of.. Elderly game is chatting up young chicks with the type of conversation you would use on your grandmothers friends. Real innocent openers about what they are wearing, where a good restaurant is, where is the pet store, what is their favorite coffee shop, etc. It’s great because I have close to zero in common with a 20 year old today, and can’t stand their music, celebrities, etc. so elderly game just lets you keep it simple and it’s very disarming because they often don’t realize they are being hit on until bang you get the number and you’re gone.

I like it because it’s more natural–I would say that kind of stuff to my grandmothers friends, whereas I’m not very likely to say other stuff like “OMG you are so hot, I just had to come over and get your number”. No.

The meanings you get from urban dictionary I think, right? I mean more the etymological meaning. Why do we say on the lamb for somebody on the run, for example? Because it’s rooted in Old Norse where lambe (sp? it’s real close to that) meant “run” or “flee”, and it just kind of took into English after so long of an exposure to Vikings. That kind of thing.

To seize the most favorable opportunity
If the blacksmith failed to swing his hammer while the metal on the anvil was still glowing, nothing would do but to start up the forge again and reheat the iron. His time was lost; the opportunity for effective work had passed. Figurative use from Canterbury Tales “The Tale of Melibeus” “right so as whil that Iren is hoot men sholden smyte”

Funny thing is, the millennial hipsters are ironically using the record players rather than sensible forms of media in order to “keep it real” so most of them know better than people like me who could pretty much change the needle on his record player with his eyes closed back then but would be lost with one now.

The trick back then was to put a penny on top of the stylus to weight it down.

Keeping it real means you hear the snap, crackle, and pop sounds with vinyl. The human ear is not that acute that to discern the minute differences between live sound wave and digitally encoded sound wave.

I think the name comes from starting off that way–if you are uncomfortable approaching hot 20 year olds, go up to some 75 year old woman at church and open her. Once you see how easy it is, just do the same thing to her granddaughter.

I’d say if you can’t talk relatively easy to a girl, you will never be able to talk to her anyway. Find the girl where it “clicks”. Unfortunately, most women are so stupid that it’s hard to keep up a conversation with her. What to talk about ? Kim Kardasian ?

Just making assertions, doesn’t mean that they’re true. This is called a “logical fallacy”. Go ahead, explore the term with Google, it may help improve your rhetoric and might even persuade you to drop your preconceived prejudices and actually examine the articles here for content.

Here’s the first giant clue that you are totally off base: This isn’t an MRA site, most people here disassociate with MRA’s almost reflexively. This means you got your terms wrong, and if your terms are wrong it means you either don’t know the actual content on this site, or you are simply taking somebody else’s word on it. Ignorance can be cured, I urge you to consider doing so.

Or not, I dunno, don’t really care. But I do hope for the best with people, generally.

Their nihilism is so sad to witness. Tear down the world because they know that truly, deep down inside, they really don’t fit in. So if they don’t fit in, fuck everybody else, and off they go trying to deconstruct and destroy.

Guys need to learn to dumb themselves down, which sounds weird but developing the emotional intelligence of knowing when to banter, when to build rapport, when to break rapport, etc is what you are lacking.
I’m very intellectual; like yourself often too intellectual. I’m really passionate about history, philosophy, technology, health, entrepreneurship etc but if I try to talk to attractive young girls about these kinds of topics they will lose interest in me so fast!

There’s several simple, yet entertaining subjects that make for good conversation with attractive girls:
Pets & Animals
Travel Experiences
Booze & Drugs
Dancing & Partying
Sexuality & Kinks
Cultural Difference & Foreign Languages
Her Race & Your Race
Breaking the law, getting arrested, times you almost died, etc
Her Family & Your Family
Movies and Books she likes
Fashion (what she is wearing, what you are wearing)
Food & Deserts
These are topics that actually move an awkward first date toward sex.

I don’t think so. Judging from it’s comments it sounds like a woman. A very pissed off one who has been pumped and dumped for the last time and now has come here to take it out on the guys. I suspect a severe throat job followed by a facial and then ending in a Houdini act. Another victim of feminism.

Don’t know about him man. I’m not sure the elite would allow him to become president if he would even pose the smallest threat for their ,,business mechanisms”. I would recommend a more thorough look into it. – Just a little Romanian scepticism for ya.

The game is rigged that’s for sure. It will be interesting to see how the American people will react to blatant subversive tactics. Will there be an insurrection if they try to, heaven forbid, take him out? Or will the American people just hold their dicks like they did with JFK and Bush?

Mutual feelings, unfortunately, here in the west, all we have are “women” like you. Do not think that anyone actually like you. You have one thing that we need, that’s it. You being “strong and independent” (and what a joke that is lol) is of no interest to us.

Lots of nuggets in this article. Lots. The rambling part is especially important.

Having read Day Bang myself, I can say with confidence that Troy pretty much hits everything about rambling in a small summary. Good point about getting the number close if you’re starting out; take what you have worked on and implement it. Then keep working to break one ceiling after another. Confidence needs to develop. That’s all coming from experience.

Oh, and it doesn’t matter if you say stupid shit. Just keep going and stand out from the boring, blue-pill crowd. You technically already should have by just starting the conversation alone.

Oh, you poor poor butthurt little dick manboy…..that you idiots have to play games in order to deal with wimmin. That is so constructive on your parts….not. Like I said before, get yourself a pocket pussy…..

No, based on your baseless remarks I think I have nailed your ilk down pat…..your way of talking about women means that you are not looking for an equal partner you are just looking for something to stick your shriveled roid damaged dick into….fuck you, manboy trash.

I like the part when I discover that you are not a real woman but one of those Stepford robots…just a walking pussy, willing to serve manboys and their little dicks….so, laugh all you like quisling bitch….you are not a real woman, you are a doormat

I don’t think this advice is beyond journeyman level, to be honest. Here’s some fresh ideas:

If you research sociobiology, you’ll see girls are attracted to specific traits that indicate a high value mate. Here’s some top ones (in random order):

1. STATUS
Yeah. Girls like gold. Wow. There’s no need to brag your status verbally, though. Let her absorb it visually. Simply, wear high status clothes, such as a blazer and Rolex; basically, dress like George Clooney.

There’s no need to say, “I own a yacht.” If you’re dressed right she’ll assume as much instinctively. Obviously, a man can also exaggerate his status quite effectively by investing in his wardrobe disproportionately to his wealth.

2. DOMINANCE
Girls like alphas… but if you start verbally showing off how intimidating you are you’ll scare her away, so this is another thing she needs to absorb visually. Muscles and an upright straight-backed posture is all you need, but girls are especially attracted to v-shaped torsos.

When dealing with others around her, be polite, but straight-forward and commanding. This is easiest at a restaurant, where you can boss the waiters around. Take her to a restaurant with waiters just so you can do this. (Do tip the waiters to reward your underlings for their obedience and get them eating out of your hand. Basically, girls want to see people eating out of her man’s hand)

A note on dominance, though – don’t throw it at her in person. Ever. In fact, girls like deep masculine monotone voices, but they prefer you actually lower your voice when speaking to her.

3. INTELLIGENCE
This is a hard one to show, because you cannot prepare for it and some guys don’t even have it, but it’s paramount she realizes how smart you are within moments of meeting her. Basically, correct speech (no slurring or slang) and saying intelligent things is what you must do.

4. HUMOR
Another bitch to prepare for, but it pays to note that even some pretty unattractive stand up comedians are succeeding in screwing hot as fuck girls. Girls are attracted to humor (perhaps because it’s a symbol of abstract intelligence), so you need to make her laugh in those first few moments.

Again, you cannot prepare for this in advance. Pulling a joke out of a joke book will probably seem forced and desperate. You’re going to have to make up jokes on the spot relevant to the situation the pair of you are in. Good luck with that. It’s hard.

Girls are especially attracted to self depreciating humor, by the way. It’s the winner, and it’ll probably get you further than busting out feminist jokes despite the fact that feminist jokes are way funnier. Just remember not to abandon your dominance posture whilst making a mockery of yourself – be confident and then making jokes of yourself will actually highlight how untrue they are and make you seem more imposing (because you’re obviously impervious to insults)

5. MIMICRY
Girls like people who copy them. If she sits down, you sit. If she stands, you stand. If she brushes her hair behind her ear, so do you. Just try not to make it too obvious.

At a restaurant, always order the same as she gets. If she orders a fucking vegan salad, though, whatever you do don’t order a giant hamburger with 5 kinds of meat in it, okay. I’d stick to, “I’ll have what she’s having.”

In conversation, mimic her again by agreeing with a lot of what she says or showing interest in it. Of course, you need to push your own personality into the conversation, but leave out anything that’s opposed to hers. This obviously won’t be possible to do if you’re dating a radfem – if you realize she’s hardcore feminist, go kamikaze on her and let her hear the truth, just be prepared to pull your own cock that night.

6. END GAME
So, you raided George Clooney’s wardrobe, you’re ripped and standing tall, you made her laugh, and caught the glint in her eye that shows she knows how clever you are, and you scratched your ass when she did. What next? Do you keep rambling like an idiot until you piss her off so badly that she gives you her phone number to get rid of you? No!

Once you’ve hit all the nails on the head, the job is done. It’s time to wrap it up. Tell her you left your phone in your ex girlfriend’s sock draw so can’t exchange numbers, but you’d like to take her out to breakfast, lunch, or dinner (whichever is closest). Ask her when she finishes work, where to pick her up, or if she’ll meet you at the restaurant (tell her you’ll “get a table” and she’d have to be a bitch to stand you up), or ask if she’s free for a coffee right now.

Unfortunately, I’m currently a married man and haven’t tested my stuff out first hand. I just get these ideas from reading sociobiology/evolutionary psychology. I’m quite smart and sure I know how to hit the nail’s head… but I’ve just never tested it.

I’m going to India next year and there I’ll be putting all the smarts I have into landing the hottest girl I can find, getting her pregnant, and marrying her in just a couple months. If I succeed and do it abnormally easily and quickly as I believe I can, I’ll write my own articles on the subject then.

I ought to read Roosh’s book before I critique it, but from what I’ve seen of him and his, I’m not so sure it all belongs in the “wisdom” category…

Yeah, I will share my SE Asian adventures because a lot of guys don’t realize how easy/beneficial it is over here. But as I said it’s not until next year. I’ll linger on this site in the meantime, but.

Some very good advice as well as some highly questionable suggestions.

While some of the points under mimcry are solid – mirroring particularly body language and speech tone can help build a connection – I definitely don’t agree with ordering the same as your vegan date (or any date for that matter) if you want a steak. Be a fucking man and get what you want, unless it’s something truly disgusting or weird (and if me eating meat is disgusting to a vegan then we’re going to have problems anyway. I’m currently seeing a vegetarian – she has no issues with my fondness for meat).

Also hold back on agreeing with too much of what she says. Definitely try to avoid potentially antagonizing topics on the first dates, but do show that you actually have opinions of your own, including some that contradicts hers.

Under Dominance you write “A note on dominance, though – don’t throw it at her in person. Ever. In fact, girls like deep masculine monotone voices, but they prefer you actually lower your voice when speaking to her.”
If what you mean is “don’t shout at her” then I agree – but that’s not really dominance anyway, that’s just throwing a temper tantrum.
Do however display dominance by leading, giving commands (even to her) and perhaps go further than that in the bedroom.

Also with regards to the Style section – the Rolex and the tailored suits and all that high end shit certainly works for those who have the means (or who can and want to successfully fake it, I don’t personally care for that approach). For those of us on more average incomes – or just different styles preferences – I’d always say just be the best version of yourself. Be fit (preferably at least athletically muscular), be well groomed and wear well fitted and matching clothes – even if that clothes are just casual jeans with a v-neck t-shirt and some decent shoes or boots.

Also about your final suggestions about skipping asking for her number – unfortunately we live in times where even below average looking women have so many suitors that even if you stand out from the rest, a slew of distractions could potentially still get between her meeting you again if you don’t have a way to remind her of your existence.

The bit about the vegan dinner actually got cut short ’cause I’m lazy. Yeah, I was going to say you probably wouldn’t want to order the same as that, but go for something close (like a steak with a good salad), but just don’t go too “meat lovers” on her. I’d still order what she gets no matter what. In any case, if she gets something reasonable like a pasta dish, there’s no excuses for not copying her.

I don’t agree with the style assertion – you should be wearing a blazer no matter what your income. It’s understandable if you genuinely cannot afford a Rolex, though. It’s been tested, but, that women are much more likely to agree to a dinner offer from a man in a blazer than the same man in more casual clothing.

The dominance thing – yeah, I did basically just mean lower your voice when speaking to her. I’m not at all suggesting you submit to her every whim with mimicry; I’m just saying you need to give her the impression that you can be a natural part of her sphere. Dominance and mimicry is a balancing act – you need to use intelligence to judge when extremes are acceptable or compromise might be beneficial.

At the end of the date, I’m going to take her to my room and fuck her in the ass (and that’s my dominance statement). It’s the ultimate test of whether she’s a keeper if she gets through that without leaving. Of course she won’t like it, but I’ll offer to take her shopping afterwards and I’ll be back in the hotel room fucking her ass again in 2 hours time as sure as sunrise.

It needs to be understood that a vagina is the female equivalent of a ball sack (her clitoris is her penis, and the clitoris is barely stimulated by typical penis in vagina sex) and most women cannot even orgasm from strict penis in vagina sex, and female orgasm isn’t a necessary part of human reproduction. So you can gauge her character from how well she takes one sided sex. If she takes it without complaint, it means she’s after you as a potential reproduction mate and would make a fitting bride. If she insists on an orgasm, however, it means she’s primarily after resources and pleasure and views you as expendable. Ditch her. If she cannot be convinced to take it in the ass on the first date, then you’re wasting your time. Don’t forget to lube her, though, or anal is just cruel! LOL

About the number thing. She already has numbers on her phone – you don’t want to be just another. The way I see it is if she likes what she sees then she’ll agree to join you for a coffee on the spot or at her next free moment. If not, why bother going further? Look for a girl more interested instead, and she’ll likely ask for YOUR number after the coffee. (I’d advise NOT to give her your number until AFTER you’ve fucked her, though, for the following reason…)

I might point out that I’ve got the confidence to hit on virtually any hot girl I see, so I’m looking for one with a good initial response because it’s the most promising. If you’ve got less opportunities because you’re shy or there’s barely any hot girls in your town, then maybe you need to maximize that opportunity’s potential, however…

I strongly believe that exchanging phone numbers without having dated her for at least a coffee break first is an extremely beta thing to do. Men should be urged against it. It gives her the power to accept or decline your advances. Don’t give that power up. Make an initial advance with an offer of an immediate date and force her to accept it or walk away. She’ll pick up on this attitude and see the alpha in it and get down on her hands and knees accordingly.

But there’s no fucking way I’m giving a girl the power to choose whether to accept or deny my calls and advances at her convenience and toy with me like I’M a plaything for HER to screw. I’m the man she wants – a fit and handsome high investing alpha (which I worked my ass off in gym and study to become) – it’s her loss if she refuses. I’d advise men to work hard in gym and study in kind and cultivate the same attitude, because it’s what women want.

When I read these article about how to approach women I can’t help but to fill a little bit angry. I wish there were articles about how to be more approachable for women. I just want some honest advice. I know this is a site for men and you “hate women” but not really. Not only that but I am African Americans so I know I am at the bottom of the totem pole. You probably, picture as being overweight, loud, women who doesn’t need a man. Lol contrary to popular belief I am soft spoken but I’m not shy. I seem to always strike up a conversation with guys but they just never seem interested. Guys always tell me how I’m soooo different and not like other girl, but I always end up friend zone/forgotten??? 😭

I don’t hate women. I’m a chronic gynophile. There are some genuine misogynists here, but many men are in my boat and it’s only feminists we hate.

Advice for making yourself more approachable isn’t difficult. Eat healthy, exercise, and dress in nice feminine clothing. Also smile – girls are always prettier when they smile.

The quality of man that approaches you will depend a lot on your looks, sadly (if you’re not super hot, that is), but honest and reasonable men SHOULD be approaching you. If they’re not, you need to try hanging out at some new places

So, you’re saying I’m not allowed to have personality preferences for who I marry, nor even pursue the kind of bride I’m sexually attracted to?!

It sounds like you just hate certain types of people. You’re prejudice against my sexuality. All I want is a woman I love who loves me back. There’s no sensible argument on Earth that can withstand that basic desire.

“Not only that but I am African Americans so I know I am at the bottom of the totem pole.”

AA women put themselves at the bottom of the pole most of the time. The amount of overweight/unhealthy and impossible to be around AA women is close to 80% in my experience.

If you come across in a womanly manner, aren’t fat and make yourself up nicely, I think you might find you have fantastic prospects. There are a lot of men out there (AA and not) who really find AA women attractive. It’s just there are so few worthy of their gaze that they often move on.

Yeah, women relate to people who can’t stop talking. Honestly, incessant talking is in their DNA. But they emote as they do it, while men talk to relate thoughts and something meaningfull. Women get hooked by “psychics” all the time because all a trained “psychic” does is remember what the speaker has already rambled on about and forgotten what they said. Then said psychic brings up something from earlier in the girls rambling and throws it out there. “I sense. . .I SEE a man who blah, blah, blah.” It’s a niche industry based on Game.

What’s this, a guide for retards? Humans are not robots and we don’t need manuals to speak with other people. Goddamn modernists posing as right wingers.. you’re nothing but a bunch of OCD type crypto entryists trying to spread more rules and control mechanisms. “Men’s movement”.. pathetic.

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