>
>
> Dear Yahoo! Groups Moderator,
>
> IMPORTANT NOTICE:
> You are receiving this notice because you are a moderator of one or
> more groups. As part of our efforts to ensure that all Yahoo! Groups
> users enjoy the same high-quality service, we will implement the
> following service changes on Aug. 7, 2003:
>
> - Message Attachments: Yahoo! Groups will continue to deliver all
> attachments sent via email, however, the attachments will no longer be
> archived within the Messages area. You may continue to upload files
> and images to the Files and Photos areas of your groups. Please
> re-upload any attachments you would like to preserve to the Photos or
> Files areas of your group. On Aug. 7, all attachments in the Messages
> area will be removed, and Yahoo! will be unable to retrieve such data.

What are we going to do about the files on Cybalist? Do we need to split
the messages into blocks of say, 2000 messages, and assign them to
volunteers to uplink? I suppose we need to create hyperlinked indexes from
message numbers to files in the archive. At least we can use the visible
names, rather than the obscure URLs that they get translated to.

I'll start the ball rolling by volunteering for one such block.

Richard.

P.S. What are we doing about Phonet and Nostratic? I've got Nostratica
covered.

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yahoo! Groups" <notify@yahoogroups.com>
> To: <richard@w...>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:04 AM
> Subject: Important Yahoo! Groups Service Changes
>
> >
> > Dear Yahoo! Groups Moderator,
> >
> > IMPORTANT NOTICE:
> > You are receiving this notice because you are a moderator of one
> > or more groups. As part of our efforts to ensure that all Yahoo!
> > Groups users enjoy the same high-quality service, we will
> > implement the following service changes on Aug. 7, 2003:
> >
> > - Message Attachments: Yahoo! Groups will continue to deliver all
> > attachments sent via email, however, the attachments will no
> > longer be archived within the Messages area. You may continue to
> > upload files and images to the Files and Photos areas of your
> > groups. Please re-upload any attachments you would like to
> > preserve to the Photos or Files areas of your group. On Aug. 7,
> > all attachments in the Messages area will be removed, and Yahoo!
> > will be unable to retrieve such data.
>
> What are we going to do about the files on Cybalist? Do we need to
> split the messages into blocks of say, 2000 messages, and assign
> them to volunteers to uplink? I suppose we need to create
> hyperlinked indexes from message numbers to files in the archive.
> At least we can use the visible names, rather than the obscure URLs
> that they get translated to.
>
> I'll start the ball rolling by volunteering for one such block.
>
> Richard.

I'm not sure if I can help. What procedure are you using to find and
copy the attachments?

> P.S. What are we doing about Phonet and Nostratic? I've got
> Nostratica covered.

Richard Wordingham

... ... all ... to ... Yahoo! ... to ... URLs ... and ... Brute force! The process I am following is as follows. 1. Look at a list of messages

> > > attachments sent via email, however, the attachments will no
> > > longer be archived within the Messages area. You may continue

to

> > > upload files and images to the Files and Photos areas of your
> > > groups. Please re-upload any attachments you would like to
> > > preserve to the Photos or Files areas of your group. On Aug. 7,
> > > all attachments in the Messages area will be removed, and

Yahoo!

> > > will be unable to retrieve such data.
> >
> > What are we going to do about the files on Cybalist? Do we need

to

> > split the messages into blocks of say, 2000 messages, and assign
> > them to volunteers to uplink? I suppose we need to create
> > hyperlinked indexes from message numbers to files in the archive.
> > At least we can use the visible names, rather than the obscure

URLs

> > that they get translated to.
>
> I'm not sure if I can help. What procedure are you using to find

2. If there is no paperclip to the right of the subject, there are
no attachments.

3. If there is a paperclip, look for an attachment box in the
archived message. It will contain the word 'download'. Paperclips
may be a false alarm. Some e-mail editors seem to have caused them
by returning the message replied to as an attachment. Such
attachments, and some others, are actually incorporated into the
archive text, so that when you look at the archived message, there
aren't any attachments.

Starting just before message 15000, Piotr's replies in particular
are marked with a paperclip but no longer include attachments. The
false attachment indicators seem to thin out after Message 17000, so
I'm provisionally assigning you, 'ikpeylough', the 18,000's and
19,000's should you wish to help.

4. Download the attachments to your machine.
5. Upload them to the att directory in the files area.
6. Make a record of which attachments came from which message. I am
logging this information in an HTML file, such as http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/files/att/index_1-2+4-
15.htm , which I'm editing using Notepad. I'm recording the message
number, the file name when downloaded, the file name in the message,
and the subject of the message. The last two items can be cut and
pasted from the message itself.

The simplest to avoid duplication if anyone else wishes to help is
to lay claim to a block through a message in this thread. I'll try
to keep the above file up to date. So, for the record, the
following blocks are already allocated:

>
> So that we don't duplicate work, I've been recording the allocation
> of messages in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/files/att/archival.htm .
>
> The simplest to avoid duplication if anyone else wishes to help is
> to lay claim to a block through a message in this thread. I'll try
> to keep the above file up to date. So, for the record, the
> following blocks are already allocated:
>
> 1-15,999 Me, Richard Wordingham
>
> 18,000 to 19,999 'ikpeylough'
>
> Richard.

ikpeylough

... I was afraid of that :) ... OK, the explanation helps. I ll try to start on it within the next couple hours to make sure there s no problem.

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "ikpeylough" <ikpeylough@y...>
> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham"
> <richard@w...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > What are we going to do about the files on Cybalist? Do we
> > > need to split the messages into blocks of say, 2000 messages,
> > > and assign them to volunteers to uplink? I suppose we need to
> > > create hyperlinked indexes from message numbers to files in the
> > > archive. At least we can use the visible names, rather than the
> > > obscure URLs that they get translated to.
> >
> > I'm not sure if I can help. What procedure are you using to find
> > and copy the attachments?
>
> Brute force!

I was afraid of that :)

> The process I am following is as follows.
>
> 1. Look at a list of messages (e.g. via
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/messages/8120 )
>
> 2. If there is no paperclip to the right of the subject, there are
> no attachments.
>
> 3. If there is a paperclip, look for an attachment box in the
> archived message. It will contain the word 'download'. Paperclips
> may be a false alarm. Some e-mail editors seem to have caused them
> by returning the message replied to as an attachment. Such
> attachments, and some others, are actually incorporated into the
> archive text, so that when you look at the archived message, there
> aren't any attachments.
>
> Starting just before message 15000, Piotr's replies in particular
> are marked with a paperclip but no longer include attachments. The
> false attachment indicators seem to thin out after Message 17000,
> so I'm provisionally assigning you, 'ikpeylough', the 18,000's and
> 19,000's should you wish to help.
>
> 4. Download the attachments to your machine.
> 5. Upload them to the att directory in the files area.
> 6. Make a record of which attachments came from which message. I
> am logging this information in an HTML file, such as
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/files/att/index_1-2+4-15.htm
> which I'm editing using Notepad. I'm recording the message number,
> the file name when downloaded, the file name in the message, and
> the subject of the message. The last two items can be cut and
> pasted from the message itself.
>
> So that we don't duplicate work, I've been recording the allocation
> of messages in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/files/att/archival.htm .
>
> The simplest to avoid duplication if anyone else wishes to help is
> to lay claim to a block through a message in this thread. I'll try
> to keep the above file up to date. So, for the record, the
> following blocks are already allocated:
>
> 1-15,999 Me, Richard Wordingham
>
> 18,000 to 19,999 'ikpeylough'

OK, the explanation helps. I'll try to start on it within the next
couple hours to make sure there's no problem.

>
> Richard.

wtsdv

I checked messages 20000 - 24930, and then double checked them. I ve found 3 attachments but haven t uploaded them to the files section yet. David

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I checked messages 20000 - 24930, and then double
checked them. I've found 3 attachments but haven't
uploaded them to the files section yet.

Yes please, because I think one can easily get tired enough to start
missing the download boxes. If you want to tart up the sound
changes, you could describe them

romanian.sc Sound changes from Latin to Romanian

latin.lex Latin words exemplifying sound changes to Romanian

but that's a luxury.

I'll put them in the index.

Richard.

Richard Wordingham

Messages 14,000 to 15,999 still need to be checked. I ve done the initial pass, but we still ought to check that I didn t miss any attachments. Does anyone

Message 14 of 17
, Aug 3, 2003

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Messages 14,000 to 15,999 still need to be checked. I've done the
initial pass, but we still ought to check that I didn't miss any
attachments.

Does anyone know why we can't read Messages 11747 and 11798? They
are reported to contain attachments.

Richard.

Piotr Gasiorowski

... OK, I ll double-check that section. As for Msgs 11747 and 11798, their senders are no longer our members, and the attachments were infected with viruses. I

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04-08-03 04:08, Richard Wordingham wrote:

> Messages 14,000 to 15,999 still need to be checked. I've done the
> initial pass, but we still ought to check that I didn't miss any
> attachments.
>
> Does anyone know why we can't read Messages 11747 and 11798? They
> are reported to contain attachments.

OK, I'll double-check that section. As for Msgs 11747 and 11798, their
senders are no longer our members, and the attachments were infected
with viruses. I normally deleted such stuff immediately from the archive
(Yahoo! didn't do that automatically at the time) but I seem to have
omitted these two. The messages have since been "defused" in the sense
that the attachments no longer exist, but I haven't deleted them now for
fear of disturbing the numbering of all the messages that follow. Just
ignore them.

Piotr

Piotr Gasiorowski

... P.S. The phantom attachments that accompany many of my messages during the period in question (and seem to have infected the e-mailed replies to them)

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, Aug 4, 2003

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04-08-03 10:10, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

> 04-08-03 04:08, Richard Wordingham wrote:
>
>> Messages 14,000 to 15,999 still need to be checked. I've done the
>> initial pass, but we still ought to check that I didn't miss any
>> attachments.

P.S. The phantom attachments that accompany many of my messages during
the period in question (and seem to have "infected" the e-mailed replies
to them) were some kind of side-effect of using Microsoft's Outlook
Express 5 and HTML format. When I switched to Mozilla's mail browser and
decided to take care to sent plain text only, the false attachments were
gone.

Piotr

Richard Wordingham

... the ... They ... Piotr has completed the checking. Add him to the credits! The archival and a summary of problems found are recorded at