Something doesn't make sense...

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Ok. Aside from the fact that day and night seems to come and go at random in this game (or the days are really short...), something bugs me about Prince Lawrences death...

You find him lying on the floor, appearantly having shot himself.
However, when you investigate Bigby says the gun lying beside him hasn't been fired recently. Yet Tweedle Dee claims, in the alley, that he told Lawrence about Faith's death, causing him to shoot himself while Dee was with him.

Also, what was with the bloody knife on the floor?

Sorry if this has been asked already, but It doesn't quite make sense to me. :P

I wondered about the gun thing as well. Dee must be lying about seeing Lawrence shoot himself. As far as I understand it, lawrence has indeed tried to kill himself for quite some time - there are sleeping pills, the bullet in the wall fits a suicide attempt as well - but he did not die because of either. Fables are hard to kill, as we see in the case of woody surviving an axe to the brain. The strangely sharp dagger seems to have been the way lawrence - or someone else - finally succeeded at killing him. Why Dee is lying is open to speculation.

Lawrence was shot - but I think the knife was used to make the pool of blood that spilled over from the corner of the Murphy Bed. Since the blood on Lawrence's hand was completely dried, but the blood pool wasn't, I'm thinking it was done by someone else after he was shot - perhaps it was even used to sever a head - perhaps it was staged to make Lawrence look like he'd killed Faith there and then killed himself.

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To be honest - I'm afraid that might be some mistake of game's creator. I mean that in one case (going to Lawrence first) phrase about gun being not used for week, is matching correctly to everything. Lawrence fired to himself one week earlier, and if Bigby tells him that his wife is dead and he wait in closet long enough, Lawrence is killing himself, right? So it's Prince's reaction for that bad news.

But when you go to Toad first, and later you come to Lawrence's place, he's dying. Dee told, that he fired himself, when Dee told him about his wife's death. So, that sounds really genuine, doesn't it? Comparing those two situations, we know that Lawrence would behave like that, so Dee is probably telling truth. The only thing which doesn't match that story, is phrase told by Bigby about gun. It's the same, regardless of our choices. Yeah, we can assume that Twiddle Dee was lying. But what if it's just overseight, and that phrase about gunshot week ago just shouldn't be there if we'll go to Toad first?

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Yeah, that's one possibility. But somehow I believe Dee. He looked quite shocked when he was telling that this guy shoot himself right in front of him, and he couldn't help him. And I've got quite other theory about Twiddles, than being murderers. I think they were looking for something (for Bluebeard maybe) what Faith stole from Woodsman. In that case he couldn't have a reason to kill harmless Lawrence.

How you can know if she stole something or not? I think it could happen - he owe her money, didn't give it to her, beat the shit out of her, so she could have grudge against him and steal something to sell it and take her money back. Twiddles were looking for something in Woodsman apartment, you know. And in Faith's place too. And if Faith had this thing when she died, that would be perfect reason for Twiddles to look for murderer - so they can be 'investigators', but only to find that mysterious thing they were looking for.

He is being dead by the sword/knife. I pick up the tarot and it said 10 of spade on the table where was Snowwhite talking at the phone, and than I saw in the mirror a knife in blood, so I thought that was already dead.
So he didn't die because of the gun.

Again - we cannot know that. He has few books, right? And Dee was looking for something on Lawrence's bookcase. Maybe Woodsman had something value and never realised that. And how you can know if Faith took something or not? She was quite in trouble, she needed 100 bucks, so I think it is POSSIBLE (not sure, cause it's still theory only. But possible)

In the world of Fables I find it pretty easy to believe they could be hired to investigate something without being real world "investigators" in the sense of having IDs to carry around. Call that muscle if you want, but a rose by any other name is still a rose.

... You can't possibly think that she stole that ring from the Woodsman. We use that ring to identify who she is in the book! It belongs to her, and is written about from waaaaaay back in the pre-exile days. No way it belonged to the Woodsman.

jeez... of course the ring belongs to her! what I am saying is that she removed it from the Woodsman, she just acted like the Woodsman's owing her some money. You can see she doesn't wear the ring before she frisks him. After that there is a close up of her hand wearing the ring. My post is referred to BullseyeReys statement - he claims that Faith didn't take anything from the Woodsman:

Except all Faith wanted was the money Woody owed her, only to find out didn't have much on him. Faith didn't steal anything.

No, she is wearing the ring before she frisks him. Take a look at the part where she hits him in the back of the head with the axe. She had the ring on then.

But you are right that she doesn't have the ring on before that point. Not really sure what it means. Maybe she just takes the ring off when she's "working" because seeing her family crest reminds her of her former wealth and glory. Or, more tragically, maybe it reminds her of how she ran away from her riches to avoid giving herself away to someone she didn't want to and is now selling her body to earn a tiny fraction of the wealth she had.

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I see your point - the gun should have been fired recently if Lawrence shot himself again. I just assumed Dee had shot him if you went to Toad's first.

On my playthough where I went to Lawrence's first - I didn't tell Lawrence Faith was dead - I implied she was missing. Instead of becoming suicidal again - he actually shoots at Dee if you stay in the closet.

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Okay, but if you go to Toad's first, Dee told us later that he told Lawrence about his wife's death. And how we can know if we tell Lawrence about Faith's death in other gameplay, he really becomes suicidal when someone tell him about it. So Dee's words are quite reliable, don't you think?

Yeah - I get you you mean here Szczery. It seems completely consistent that since Lawrence attempts suicide if you tell him Faith is dead - then he'd do the same thing if Dee tells him. Dee wouldn't have to shoot him. There should also be a second shell casing lying around too. Something just doesn't add up. I can understand your suspicion that perhaps Telltale just made a mistake (which would be disappointing) but I'm hoping there's still more to the story.

Also perplexing is - if you do save Lawarence - Dee doesn't get the bloodstain on his shirt, but when Dee shows up at the Trip Trap he's covered in blood.

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Well, Bigby did end up with a "gaping head wound". Perhaps that's where the blood came from? And also, guys, its Dum at Toad's, not Dee. Dee is at Lawrence's at the same time as Dum is at Toad's. You can only catch one of them in the act, so they must be acting at more or less the same time.

There's definitely something odd going on with that knife. The knife had blood on it, the blood splatter by the bed made no sense, it certainly isn't from Lawrence, as it's fresher than his week-old gunshot injury. Where is the knife from anyway, it's certainly not mentioned in their fairytale and it looks magical. I can't think it'd be Lawrence's as he's dead broke. Why was it just left? Why on earth couldn't we pick it up? :P

I tend to believe that he did shoot himself, the fingers are left in a shooting position, the trajectory lines up nicely, the gun and shell-casing are in the right place, for the heart wound. But not the head wound.

he only head-shots himself if you tell him his wife is dead, if you just imply shes missing, he tries to shoot dee, and is in fact, still alive in episode 2 according to the preview
AND if you go to toads first, when you get to lawrences he has the hole in his chest from the time he shot himself, which bigby notes was around a week ago if you inspect the gun, but he also has the hole in his head, which could not have come from his gun as it was just the one shot fired a week ago, meaning he had to have been shot by someone else during the time you were at toads

Actually you can tell him Faith is dead, and have him still survive. I think it depends how long you leave it. I was honest about Faith's death and jumped out when Dee was by the bed/putting the bed back up and he's in my preview for episode 2...

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You can tell him both. I told him Faith was dead and when I hid in the closet, he put the gun to his head and that's when I sprung out and Lawrence survived. I haven't tried telling him that Faith was only "missing"

I've actually tried to think about why that knife is there , and why is it full of blood ... but managed to get nowhere
Tho I like what you guys pointed out above : How if you go to Toad's first , when investigating Lawrence's - Bigby tells you that the gun has been fired 1 week ago. However Dee says Lawrence just shot himself recently.
And that's funny , cause if you choose to go to Lawrence first , he will indeed try to shoot himself - but if you go the other way around , things don't match anymore. So Dee probably killed Lawrence ... It kinda makes sense , you should consider this more.

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How do we even know that Dee was at both Toads and Lawrance's? Toad said it's impossible to know who's who. Maybe Dum visited Toads place and Dee went to Lawrance. Maybe it's not even Dee we get to arrest at the end?

They dress differently and I think Dum is not the one who does the investigation, hence the name. If I remember correctly, he had a green shirt on and a different kind of hat, as well as a different voice.

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I just went back and checked, and it's definitely Dum at Toad's place if you go there first, he's got the flat cap and the rolled up shirt sleeves if you look carefully. It makes sense as well, since you can only "catch" one of them. Dum at Toad's and Dee at Lawrence's and at the Trip Trap.