UR-025 looks like a Kastellan because Kastelans are the same thing as Men of Iron, except not sentient. Men of Iron and Legio Cybernetica robots are ALL pre-imperium robots, that's why they look similar.

There's no indication that UR-025 altered his appearance beyond just bolting an Aquila on his chest. There's no indication that he altered his armor to look like a Kastelan's.

I know some of you hate the fact that Men of Iron look like goofy 1950s Raygun Gothic tech, but for about 90% of 40k's publishing history, that's exactly what DAoT robots have been shown to look like, the biggest deviation from that norm was from a comic illustrator who just made shit up as he went.

So stop claiming that he somehow made himself look like a 1950s scifi robot. Until we specifically read about it in the novelization, it's just bullshit.

>>62933616>>62933638Not in the same way that animals have bodies, an AI's corporeal form is only important for its ability to interact with the physical world, there is zero reason for it not to swap to a different one if it suits it's needs better.

Animals are bodiesAIs are things that computers (which are also bodies) do. they don't exist outside of the physical world.And the same holds true in 40k. AIs aren't warp reflections or someshit. A cogitator totally has a warp reflection but it's not the same thing as an AI.

Therefore, there are big reasons for an AI not to "swap bodies":1- maybe it just can't. A computer that isn't programmed or designed to do that won't be able to do that no matter if it wants to or not.2- maybe it's too stupid to figure out what suits its needs. Computers aren't necessarily very smart.3- maybe nobody let it do that4- maybe they don't need to do that because they're already working together and don't need to control one another

So that's 4 reasons already. Some aren't very good, but they can all apply.

>>62933879oh sure. in 40k, though, cogitators have a warp reflection, so maybe, even if they can only copy their programming, they could potentially use sorcery to possess other computers. If they were powerful enough and managed to convince sorcerers to help them or something

>>62934019I'd say that only an AI with a very shaky understanding of identity and computers would be willing to copy itself and delete itself under the assumption that it would equate "moving out". A superstitious computer, if you will.

>>62929288If that immobile looking piece of shit is an existing relic of the most powerful civilisation in 40k lore then their writers are fucking out of touch and bless the hearts of anyone still hoping the lore will get gud again. Fucking lol that a retrofuturistic fallout 4 looking piece of junk that can't reach its own ass was running around like a race of Superman in the setting.

>Kastelans are the same thing as Men of Iron, except not sentient.I don't know about 40k but it's heavily implied in a bunch of sources that Legio Cybernetica constructs run off nerve cells, not transistors. We can rig together a lattice of nerve cells right now, and I don't see why you couldn't set them up like any other neural network. Considering how Silicate Animus is treated in the fluff, I'm not sure if ANY microchips are in use in the Imperium.

>>62936188the push to a wider aesthetic is a response to the fact that the design studio had spent the last 10 years being whipped until they had put enough skulls on every model for kirby to cum.

40k has always had art nouveau, baroque , pulp and modern design elements crushed together . The original imperial guardsmen were modelled of Jes goodwins motorbike jacket with a flash Gordon helmet stuck on top.

>>62934397>>62934956Robots from the RT era were explicitly run this way. There's some nice fluff pieces in among the rules (I think found in the Compendium). The rules themselves were hell though, which is why robots never caught on with players and the line died out.

>>62935352There's some nice art in there too. No Men of Iron, but they were just a throwaway line for 20 years.

>>62933868He's trying to blend in and hide. Right now he's passing as a basic robot sent by a Techpriest Dominus to acquire archaeotech, so he needs to look like something the admech would have laying around.

If he looked like something out of that comic, it'd be a dead fucking giveaway. He may as well bolt a big ass neon sign onto his chassis saying "hi, I'm a super heretical thinking machine from 12,000 years ago! Please don't shoot me/disassemble me to learn how I tick, thanks!"

Why is this so hard for people to grasp? If a chaos renegade was trying to blend in on an imperial world, he wouldn't walk around with mutations in plain sight, he'd hide that shit. UR025 is quite literally one of the most heretical things an Imperial citizen could find, a thinking machine, an abominable intelligence. If he gets caught he's fucked. That's why he looks like a basic, bland, completely unassuming robot, so he doesn't attract attention.

Jesus fucking Christ it's probably people like you who wonder how the hell alpha legion sneaks around in spikey lizard scale armor all the time like nobody's heard of this radical fucking invention called a "disguise" before.

>>62929288Comparing the Man of Iron design to the admech non-AI versions>>62933224>>62933376UR-025 looks oddly more dignified and capable, just in silhouette and stance. The infiltrator's design >>62933409 has a similar look of competence, but the Man of Iron has even a certain pride in its gesture with the gun.

Tbh, the best thing for men of iron would be terminator style robot skeletons. Makes the most sense, but can’t do it of course since Necrons exist. Necrons shoulda been introduced and revealed as successors of the men of iron in the first place, not what they became.

It's a character model from Blackstone Fortress, the upcoming Warhammer Quest boardgame reskinned for 40k. According to the fluff UR-025 is an authentic Man of Iron, a completely sentient and independent robot dating back all the way back to the pre-Imperial Dark Age of Technology. Apparently it's been living clandestinely pretending to be an AdMech drone while pursuing its own agenda.

Perfect cover, considering the admech never disclose their archives, that a magos can live for 10 000 years and that it'd be a total hassle to verify his claims even if the admech was willing to cooperate.

I think people have got and idée fixé that the DAoT was some sort of post-singularity post-scarcity Culture-tier technowank utopia that'd make a TNG writer blush, so anything less than a sentient cloud of nanomachines gets a violent backlash. Personally, I like the retro-futurist raygun aesthetic. The key thing is that it's distinct from Imperial Gothic as a sign of a different time.

and yeah, most of what we hear about the DaoT concerns isolationistic settlers using STCs to get by, and empires struggling against eldar and greenskins. More precisely, against eldar who are too busy buttfucking each other to even pay attention to the apes trying to conquer their galaxy.Even if DaoT humans had perpetual motion engines and infinite replicators and self-repairing stuff, it wasn't widespread enough for it to be much more than average space opera tech, and most of the stuff they used was just Imperium tech, but bigger and less likely to malfunction.

The game isn't out yet so we don't know anything else. However, apparently the game will come with a Secret Envelope, a "Hidden Vault" which you can open if you win the game (or just rip it apart as soon as you pry open the box set, but that's no fun). Who knows what treats it conceals?

It would probably have been better if the term "men of iron" for the Men of Iron meant they were literally in the shape of human men with metallic bodies but not as crude as the Necrons look but I guess silver humans would be dumb to people

If you've been playing 40k for a while you may have seen occasional references to Ynnead, the artificial warp god that some Eldar have the ambition of creating by combining all of the soulstones in the Craftworlds' Infinity Circuits in a sort of Anti-Fall to create a being that could destroy Slaanesh.

They've recently been promoted to a full faction, the Ynnari, with some miniatures. Yvraine, the Eldar who woke up Guilliman, is a Ynnari.

>>62938313>And fuck ultramarines I'm going to regret asking this aren't I? I suppose I should really read some of the new fluff but after what happened to Warhammer and what came after I have been loathe to.

Eldrad Ulthran went to some shitty world to awaken Ynnead with the help of a bunch of harlequinsthe deathwatch interrupted them so it went wrongand Ynnead siphoned the Infinity Circuit of Biel-Tan and popped up in Biel-Tan as the Yncarne (which is like an Avatar) and the craftworld exploded

and maybe before that or after (wan't remember), Ynnead possessed some chick called Yvraine cause she was kind of like the pre-fall eldar Now here's how Yvraine should have been written: she should have been some exodite witch who really kept up the ancient eldar culture and went on a crusade for Ynnead and picked up disparate elements of crawftorld and dark eldar culture, hence her weird design

instead she's like a super-special ex-warlock princess turned commorrite gladiatrix who can resurrect the dead and even resurrect rubric marines no I'm not shitting you also she can resurrect herself after her own bodyguard killed her because he knows she's a fucking mary sue who should die and she also resurrected Guilliman and somehow the Black templars were okay with this and dark eldar and aeldar are joining her bullshit crusade holy shit what the fuck STTOPokay

calm downthe CEO of Games Workshop changed before it could get any worse

he put a stop to this bullshit, hopefully the Ynnari will be phased out

>>62938864>le precious bodily fluids>>62938868her design is interesting but undercooked and doesn't line up with her background.

She looks like an eccentric voodoo witch pretending to be an archon. But she's an actual noblewoman and a gladiatrix, it's stupid.And several parts of her design are really super inelegant, mostly the triangular bodice that doesn't follow her curves at all, and the giant headdress that would have looked better on her shoulders like this>>62938375

>>62939407No, most people have a few favourites. I love the Kroot, Tits mc MAGA, and the beastmen, but I really don't care much for most of the other models.That's purely feelings-based though, objectively every model here (well okay except maybe the ratlings) is fucking amazing and deserves its own army if it doesn't already have one.

>>62939970you know full well that a lot of people hate how this stupid robot looks and don't think it matches what the Iron Men are supposed to be, that's literally the only reason you are on the internet right now, to yell at them and tell them that they're wrong, and while I think your opinions are stupid, I am not inclined to tell you to shut the fuck up about those, but I will tell you to shut the fuck up when you tell people who disagree with you that nobody disagrees with you, at that point you have ceased to just be some loser with terrible opinions and are gaslighting everyone

>>62940070>>62939970you hate it because it doesn't fit your mental image of what they looked likebut we've never had any hard info so the fact its not what you expected is immaterial its aethetic makes perefect sense for a DAoT relic and im sorry that you imagined to DAoT to be some high level dyson sphere shit

>>62940279The entire output of a star is a lot of energy. Going by the typical soft sy-fi underestimating how big numbers get in space, a lot of people put a civ that controls a single Dyson Sphere as several orders of magnitude more powerful than all the factions in WH40K, both major and minor, put together.

>>62940504the entire output of a dyson sphere is a ridiculous amount of energy compared to a ton of other scifi concepts>a lot of people put a civ that controls a single Dyson Sphere as several orders of magnitude more powerful than all the factions in WH40K, both major and minor, put together.bull fucking shit, the necrons alone have at least one dyson sphere, commorragh is a transdimensional comglomerate of several dyson spheres and the eldar's favorite boast is that they used up suns like we use up batteries

>>62940504Dyson spheres have become a fucking running joke in 40k because of how frequently the eldar bring up the fact that "stars lived and died at our command"like fucking really? Don't they have anything else worth bragging about? I mean it's not even fucking special, the Slann and the C'tan did similar shit on a regular basis.

>>62936817Look at the thread.You can't convince these people that UR should keep a low profile even if he (for all he knows) is the absolute last of his kind and is in no shape to be doing extraordinarily stupid things if he wants to live.

>>62929288I find it a bit boring, because how are you suppose to show the technological regression of humanity, if the stuff you have in the deepest, darkest age is identical to the stuff they had in the height of their glory? I wanted to imagine the Raypunk robots were the best the Admech could do in M41 out of the schematics for terminators, not that they just replaced the true AI with a punch card system.

Imagine DAoT humans driving around in Leman Russes that are just the same Leman Russes Guard uses. HFY, indeed. Such advancement. Much black-hole guns. Wow.

>>62941841>I find it a bit boring, because how are you suppose to show the technological regression of humanity>Imagine DAoT humans driving around in Leman Russes that are just the same Leman Russes Guard uses. HFY, indeed. Such advancement. Much black-hole guns. Wow.

Uhhhh... Yes, that is how it's always worked. The rhino for example is a dark age design, as are knights. The difference is some of the weapons and equipment they were armed with. For example, rhinos used to be what we would think of as your average truck or Jeep, "now" they're a very rare and high tech transport only the most elite forces have access to. Same with knights. Back in the day they were more like a bulldozer or excavator that you could mount a gun or two on to scare off the local wildlife. Now they're nobility on their worlds and treated with ritualistic reverence.

Meanwhile there were also star killer weapons, big ass super Titans, etc. Lots of people forget that technology is not solely based on your biggest baddest tech, but also how easily accessible it is for your average person. The Germans in WWII are a great example. Yeah, they had jet fighters, the first practical assault rifle, advanced tanks, and tons of other crazy tech. It also did fuck all because their logistics train still largely depended on fucking horses and the average man was still stuck with a bolt action rifle his grandfather fought with 30 years ago.

Yeah if you look UR025 in and of himself he's not that impressive. But look at him in contrast to other army's footsoldiers, he's tough as a Terminator and stronger to boot. If he's what an "average" man of Iron looked like he's practically an ogryn, imagine fighting an army of those, it'd be hell. Imagine if you could take a whole squad of UR025 with non character stats (so say 2W instead of 4) with a reasonable price. They'd be a pretty nasty little unit compared to other infantry.

Does that mean DAoT Rhinos were identical to 40k ones? A homemade, hand built AK is not going to look like a SIG550. Even in Imperium you have variation in design based on the technological base used to build them. Compare the legion basilisk to the guard one. Or Baneblade to the Fellblade.

>>62929288Could be that the Men of Iron is just a collective name for all the machines that rebelled against humanity. Something that was that much of a threat to the galaxy must have had different units designed to tackle different targets. Could be UR-025 is just a heavier model frontline unit. For all we know they're just sentient code that jumps platforms so to speak as they need. Maybe UR-205 just hijacked some old Kastelan pattern for this situation

>>62942223>Fellblade>aka. Marine Baneblade>"What if we put TWO cannons on it and replaced the sponsons with our OC quad lascannons?">"Brilliant!">Falchion>aka. Marine Shadowsword>"What if we put TWO cannons on it and replaced the sponsons with our OC quad lascannons?">"Brilliant!"

>>62938637>better than ynarri bullshitsounds like a salty imperial player who can't get over the fact that now his isn't the only faction that can forge giant, cross army alliances to rape the ever loving shit out of all the other armies in the game.

do any of you sense fuckers ever actually read and comprehend the lore?UR-025 is hiding trying to blend in it states that in the new lore for him.Hes a sneaky fucking robot.>Now after decades i finally understand why they genocided the men of ironSneaky fucking robots!

They've got Unaligned, the same keyword as Fortifications. I wish you could take them in more than units of 4 though, they'd really shine if you could get them in a big enough unit to actually weather a shooting phase.

>>62938515>Hey GW have you though about making the Exodites as a viable and an interesting faction in W40K>''nah we want a mary sue who'll merge two separate eldar factions (and maybe the imperium) into one colossal mess of a faction!''

>>62941646yeah, in First Heretic there are robots who are bros with Word Bearers Serrated Sun Chapter. They do manifest some minimal form of decision making when it comes to helping their astertes brothers in arms.

>>62944169He's obviously done more than that, his weapons aren't particularly advanced and he's likely lost more advanced secondary technologies that were ubiquitous during the GC, and somewhat even today, let alone the Dark Age. His general aesthetic is likely similar to his initial design, but it's very unlikely that he's exactly the same as he was when first built.

>>62940555According to an Olius Pious short story, mankind had sun killing weapons and semi sentient planet/city killing dragon things that literally torn open holes through time, space, and the warp itself. When fleeing from Calth Olius got stuck on a planet marred by one of these holes, on a planet where all the people are linked together into a cybernetic hive brain and wasting away attached to their walls

>>62942074this guy gets it. A glock 9mm is a meh tier gun that almost anyone can get their hands on and is not impressive in the least. But you drop one down during the civil war era, where most pistols are single action, six shot revolvers and most rifles are single shot bolt actions, and suddenly that semi-automatic, 15 mag gun is god tier weapon of mass destruction.

>>62941100I mean, not all of these are entirely "AI", psychic machine spirits are a documented phenomenon in 40k, if a machine sticks around long enough and is loved and worshipped enough it'll eventually become pseudo-sentient to a small degree. There are recorded instances of land raiders losing all their crew and going berserk, ramming into the enemy formations, completely on their own initiative, and Titans have such powerful machine spirits princeps have to be extremely strong of will to subdue them and even still end up losing control from time to time.

>>62933868Why would the Men of Iron, the peak of Humanity's creation, look like normal ass robots in WH40k times?Because they were mass produced.You don't just put ornate shit and frills on something that you produce for sole purpose of workforce.

>>62942074The point of STCs is that they are, above all things, rugged designs. People were expected to get out of cryosleep in any kind of planet (like Catachan) and rebuild society. You can literally make a Rhino out of wood or bones. Plus lost knowledge; there's a a tau textbox that states that the Russ looks like the humans halfhazardly threw a vehicle together, with parts that make no sense and subpar materials for the intended role.

I'd expect top of the line DAoT gear to be a bit beyond that.Not an assault cannon that you can't resupply easily when you can have an internal power core that feeds your deadly archeotech multi-laser or super graviton gun.

It's perfectly fine for a MoI to upload its conscience into a shitty chassis, tho.

>>62938723Keep in mind Jes has been creating miniatures for GW for the last twenty years. He created the modern bolter, space marine, eldar and half a dozen other factions. He is the reason why the golden age of 90's-00's existed.

>>62947826The chapter approved on the Land Raider, in White Dwarf 300-something. From memory it has one LR going berzerk after his crew gets killed, running repetedly over the enemy in a reenactment of the battle of Stonne, and another LR doing a 360 nos scope shoot while hanging off a brigde by its thread (it plummets to death shortly afterwards). Also features one of the most underused aspect of 40k vehicles: Travelling for days on the bottom of the sea to assault a beach by surprise.

>>62948404My guess is that as part of the ritual for sanctifying a Land Raider, Titan, or other machine with a prominent Machine Spirit, they sacrifice an animal. (Often a grox or similar. Warhound titans often get a predator)

Part of the sacrifice is actually a brain uploading, making the machine spirit a primitive AI with mannerisms based on the slain beast.

>>62948404The AdMech is usually pretty okay with intelligence as long as there's some bio bits in it.The LR machine spirit probably is some vat-grown brain with a ton of circuitry added to it rather than a supercomputer.Therefore it can't be abominable intelligence, but rather the sacred union of man and machine.

>>62946802>So exodites when?honestly, it wouldn't be hard, all they'd have to do is make datasheets and maybe some upgrade sprues so you can adapt the old WHF/AOS elf models like the raptor riders and such.

>>62946110>during the civil war era, where most pistols are single action, six shot revolvers and most rifles are single shot bolt actionsNigger, what? The only repeating rifles during the civil war were Spencers and Henrys which were lever actions, but the vast, vast majority of soldiers were armed with muzzle loading caplock rifles.

>>62946504Offical Statement from GW"With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. [...] Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong."

>>62950471You're quoting the BIGGEST FUCKING FAGGOT who is known for RETARDED INTERPRETATIONS OF LORE as being the be all of lore. Also his interpretation that ONLY THE MOST RESENT interpretations is literally only his feelings, and is not fucking canon. He fucking makes that up so he can have his shitty head canon being the correct interpretation. Also works for Riot now retard. Also to counteract your fucking retardation

"It all stems from the assumption that there's a binding contract between author and reader to adhere to some nonexistent subjective construct or 'true' representation of the setting. There is no such contract, and no such objective truth."Andy Hoare"There is no canon. There are several hundred creators all adding to the melting pot of the IP."Aaron Dembski-Bowden (the co author of the fucking series your retard edited)"Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. If it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it."Marc Gascogne

>>62950647No, he never had a say. He through a hissy fit because he can't fucking write and people called him out on it, so he declared "everything I say is canon". Canon has been clearly established for 4 fucking decades, one manbaby being a faggot about it doesn't change that.

We already know a bunch of robot types, there's probably ones similar to the old chaos androids, but covered in skin. They were probably given missions to eliminate particular enemies with extreme prejudice. Like some kind of bug killer.