hamilton wrote:
>
> Price means nothing if you can not buy it !!
Current price on eBay is about EUR 50 :-)
--
Frank Buss, http://www.frank-buss.de
electronics and more: http://www.youtube.com/user/frankbuss

On 16-Jun-12 9:12 PM, Nico Coesel wrote:
> Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:
>
>>
>> 16-June-2012
>> SINGLE BOARD LINUX COMPUTER with i.MX233 ARM926J @454Mhz
>>
>> Now available:
>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olimex-imx233-olinuxino-maxi.html
>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html
>
> Looks interesting! Can you connect a 800x480 TFT panel to this board?
This unit has been conceived, designed, manufactured, and brought to
market by Olimex, and all after the RPi went on sale on the 29th of
February 2012.
The development discussion group is at Yahoo Groups:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/olinuxino/
Most questions have already been answered there, as it is a very active
group already.
The project is hosted at Github: https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO
OLINUXINO is completely open source - including hardware and software,
this means you have access to all CAD files and sources and you can
reuse them for your own personal or commercial project. There are NO
restrictions to manufacture and sell these board for your own use or resale.
OLINUXINO use widely available microcontroller iMX233 which cost USD
5.50 in 100 pcs quantity, this means that people can spin off their own
boards and manufacture them cheap as the processor is in TQFP easy to
assembly by hobbyist package.
RASPBERRY PI have no released CAD files nor complete schematics, RPi
uses processor from Broadcom which is not available for sale in small
quantity, it uses BGA package which requires expensive setup to
assembly. RPi is designed to be home gadget, OLINUXINO will work in
industrial environment -25+85C and will be designed to be low cost but
NOISE immune.
=========================
--
Don McKenzie
Dontronics: http://www.dontronics-shop.com/
The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $30 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

Nico Coesel wrote:
> Frank Buss <fb@frank-buss.de> wrote:
>
>> Don McKenzie wrote:
>>>
>>> 16-June-2012
>>> SINGLE BOARD LINUX COMPUTER with i.MX233 ARM926J @454Mhz
>>>
>>> Now available:
>>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olimex-imx233-olinuxino-maxi.html
>>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html
>>
>> Why should someone buy this?
>>
>> Raspberry Pi:
>>
>> - 256 MB RAM
>> - HDMI output
>> - 700 MHz CPU clock
>> - integrated GPU
>> - $25
>
> Its still a toy!
It is a full computer with ethernet, USB, advanced video capabilites
etc. The drivers and the Linux kernel might be not as stable at the
moment, but it's definitely more than a toy.
>> OLINUXINO:
>>
>> - 64 MB RAM
>> - no HDMI
>> - 454 MHz CPU clock
>> - no GPU (just some basic acceleration, like alpha blending)
>> - $68.47
>
> This is something you could mount in a case.
It is not as easy as with mounting holes or slots, but that's just a
matter of the right case:
http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
> The specs ain't great but
> it will run a buildroot/busybox based Linux system just fine.
But why limiting yourself to busybox, if you can have a full featured
Linux system for a lower price? It is so much easier to just do an
"apt-get install foobar" and then just writing some Python or bash code
to use foobar, compared to trying to compile a program with all the
required libraries on a small busybox based platform.
But the advantage of the Olinuxino is that all of it, including
schematics and PCB files, are open source. And the CPU is available to
buy for your own projects, so you can build a less expensive platform,
or one with additional hardware for a project. The Broadcom CPU of the
Raspberry Pi is not available for hobbyists or small companies, and all
the GPU stuff (and some other details of the CPU) is not available for
mere mortals.
--
Frank Buss, http://www.frank-buss.de
electronics and more: http://www.youtube.com/user/frankbuss

On 17-Jun-12 7:46 AM, Frank Buss wrote:
> Nico Coesel wrote:
> It is not as easy as with mounting holes or slots, but that's just a
> matter of the right case:
>
> http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
well that is the nicest case I have seen for the RPi to date.
Don...
--
Don McKenzie
Dontronics: http://www.dontronics-shop.com/
The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $30 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

0

Don

6/16/2012 9:55:52 PM

Frank Buss wrote:
> and all
> the GPU stuff (and some other details of the CPU) is not available for
> mere mortals.
Of course, the Raspberry Pi foundation provides an OpenGl ES 2.0
implementation, which means you can develop your own nice 3D
application, just hackers like me want to know and play with the
low-level details of the GPU :-)
--
Frank Buss, http://www.frank-buss.de
electronics and more: http://www.youtube.com/user/frankbuss

Frank Buss <fb@frank-buss.de> wrote:
>Nico Coesel wrote:
>> Frank Buss <fb@frank-buss.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Don McKenzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 16-June-2012
>>>> SINGLE BOARD LINUX COMPUTER with i.MX233 ARM926J @454Mhz
>>>>
>>>> Now available:
>>>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olimex-imx233-olinuxino-maxi.html
>>>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html
>>>
>>> Why should someone buy this?
>>>
>>> Raspberry Pi:
>>>
>>> - 256 MB RAM
>>> - HDMI output
>>> - 700 MHz CPU clock
>>> - integrated GPU
>>> - $25
>>
>> Its still a toy!
>
>It is a full computer with ethernet, USB, advanced video capabilites
>etc. The drivers and the Linux kernel might be not as stable at the
>moment, but it's definitely more than a toy.
Unstable=useless. No way to fix that because everything is proprietary
means it is useless for use in anything serious.
>>> OLINUXINO:
>>>
>>> - 64 MB RAM
>>> - no HDMI
>>> - 454 MHz CPU clock
>>> - no GPU (just some basic acceleration, like alpha blending)
>>> - $68.47
>>
>> This is something you could mount in a case.
>
>It is not as easy as with mounting holes or slots, but that's just a
>matter of the right case:
>
>http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
I mean you can mount the Olinuxino in your own case because all the
connectors are on one side. You'll have a hard time including a Rpi
into your own product.
>> The specs ain't great but
>> it will run a buildroot/busybox based Linux system just fine.
>
>But why limiting yourself to busybox, if you can have a full featured
>Linux system for a lower price? It is so much easier to just do an
>"apt-get install foobar" and then just writing some Python or bash code
>to use foobar, compared to trying to compile a program with all the
>required libraries on a small busybox based platform.
With 256MB ram you can't run full blown Linux either. I think you can
also run a regular Linux distro on the Olinuxino but with Busybox its
just easier to create an image which only contains the software you
really need. Another advantage is that you'll have the cross
compilation tools on your system as well.
Busybox/buildroot has improved greatly over the past few years. There
are loads of programs already included so selecting the software you
want is just as easy as using a package selector. If a package is not
available you can create a new package with just a few lines of text.
In my experience 9 out of 10 pieces of software compile correct out of
the box. From the failing software 9 out of 10 only need minor
tweaking like configure options. All in all it works pretty well.
--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

Nico Coesel wrote:
> Frank Buss <fb@frank-buss.de> wrote:
>
>> It is a full computer with ethernet, USB, advanced video capabilites
>> etc. The drivers and the Linux kernel might be not as stable at the
>> moment, but it's definitely more than a toy.
>
> Unstable=useless. No way to fix that because everything is proprietary
> means it is useless for use in anything serious.
There are some performance problems with SDHC and some USB problems
(missing key events reported by some users, including me), but it is all
in the open source part in Linux and some people are already working on
it to fix it. I don't know of problems in the closed source GPU part.
Most users who are using e.g. XBMC to use it as a media player are not
affected anyway.
> I mean you can mount the Olinuxino in your own case because all the
> connectors are on one side. You'll have a hard time including a Rpi
> into your own product.
I don't know much about mechanics, but it's just a light credit card
size PCB. Should be possible to mount it with some screws and plastic
washers or similar things.
> With 256MB ram you can't run full blown Linux either. I think you can
> also run a regular Linux distro on the Olinuxino but with Busybox its
> just easier to create an image which only contains the software you
> really need. Another advantage is that you'll have the cross
> compilation tools on your system as well.
I'm using a cross compiler as well for the Raspberry Pi, but it is
possible to compile on the device itself, too (but the Linux kernel
needs some hours instead of minutes, main reason because of the slow SD
card and the slower CPU). But it is no problem to use Busybox on it,
too, if you really want. Some people even started to port u-boot for it.
Creating an image is easy, and can be just copied on the SD-card (with
'dd' in Linux and similar tools in Windows or Mac).
256 MB is good enough to start even some X11 desktop. E.g. installing
MySQL and Apache requires much less memory and then it is a full blown
Linux for me.
Years ago I've installed diskless stations with X11 and a Tcl/Tk
application written by me on computers with just 8 MB. Of course, you
can't run dozens of applications in parallel like on your desktop PC,
and maybe big applications like Eclipse might be difficult, but you can
do a lot with 256 MB.
> Busybox/buildroot has improved greatly over the past few years. There
> are loads of programs already included so selecting the software you
> want is just as easy as using a package selector. If a package is not
> available you can create a new package with just a few lines of text.
> In my experience 9 out of 10 pieces of software compile correct out of
> the box. From the failing software 9 out of 10 only need minor
> tweaking like configure options. All in all it works pretty well.
I know buildroot and it is interesting. Not needed for the Raspberry Pi,
but maybe someone should try to port buildroot for it. This would allow
even smaller SD cards.
I've helped developing a buildroot based system with 128 MB NAND flash.
With the 256 MB RAM you could even use a compressed RAM disk as the root
filesystem, which would make it really fast and good for embedded
systems, because no wear of the SD card, if you don't need to save
something, and fast program loading.
--
Frank Buss, http://www.frank-buss.de
electronics and more: http://www.youtube.com/user/frankbuss

On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:26:10 GMT) it happened nico@puntnl.niks
(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4fdd14f8.1214382578@news.kpn.nl>:
>With 256MB ram you can't run full blown Linux either.
Are you out of touch with reality?
My old server has 385 MB RAM,
runs:
apache 2.1
named
sendmail
proftp
Nvidia latest driver on AGP! [1]
h264 encoding (ffmpeg, transcode, x264, mjpegtools, etc etc)
home control
dnla media server
newsreader
webbrowser (opera)
mediaplayer
webcam recording
sshd
telnetd (when enabled)
many other programs
all this at the same time on a Duron 950 MHz
Sure I normally do not run f*cking Qt on it, but that works too,
I run old fvwm, a much better window manager from days
when bytes were scarce.
[1] and that takes away a lot of RAM when playing video.
>I think you can
>also run a regular Linux distro on the Olinuxino but with Busybox its
>just easier to create an image which only contains the software you
>really need. Another advantage is that you'll have the cross
>compilation tools on your system as well.
Busybox is a pest.
Many people use it, I have it in Mips cross compiled on the WAP54G (also a Broadcom chip),
even my Humax cable receiver runs busybox, its a VIRUS!!!
In these days you realy want a real system.
>Busybox/buildroot has improved greatly over the past few years. There
>are loads of programs already included so selecting the software you
>want is just as easy as using a package selector. If a package is not
>available you can create a new package with just a few lines of text.
>In my experience 9 out of 10 pieces of software compile correct out of
>the box. From the failing software 9 out of 10 only need minor
>tweaking like configure options. All in all it works pretty well.
I tried installing Eclipse and Android SDK in Ubuntu.
I am persistent, but so far no luck with their (debian based) package system.
Took about 10 minutes to get eclipse up in slackware from a txz,
but now the Android APK refuses to run in 64 bit Slackware.
I will have to install an 32 bit version of Linux if I can find an empty partition one day...
I do not like package systems, compile from source,
it is the only way,
>--
>Failure

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:51:58 +0200) it happened Frank Buss
<fb@frank-buss.de> wrote in <jrj66v$lmv$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de>:
>Years ago I've installed diskless stations with X11 and a Tcl/Tk
>application written by me on computers with just 8 MB. Of course, you
>can't run dozens of applications in parallel like on your desktop PC,
>and maybe big applications like Eclipse might be difficult, but you can
>do a lot with 256 MB.
Exactly, 256 MB is enough to fly to mars and back.

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:55:52 +1000) it happened Don McKenzie
<5V@2.5A> wrote in <a44dn9Flo1U1@mid.individual.net>:
>On 17-Jun-12 7:46 AM, Frank Buss wrote:
>> Nico Coesel wrote:
>
>> It is not as easy as with mounting holes or slots, but that's just a
>> matter of the right case:
>>
>> http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
>
>well that is the nicest case I have seen for the RPi to date.
>
>Don...
Yes transparent plastic boxes are nice:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/LCD_in_transparent_box_img_2033.jpg
Been using those for years:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/gm_pic/gm_pic_in_box_front_img_2411.jpg
But how to -fix that box- to something?
Seems merely shifting the problem?
:-)

Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:26:10 GMT) it happened nico@puntnl.niks
>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4fdd14f8.1214382578@news.kpn.nl>:
>
>>With 256MB ram you can't run full blown Linux either.
>
>
>Are you out of touch with reality?
>My old server has 385 MB RAM,
....and a hard drive to swap to. Firefox for example wants over 200MB
of memory for itself. Now imagine running a few other applications.
>but now the Android APK refuses to run in 64 bit Slackware.
>I will have to install an 32 bit version of Linux if I can find an empty partition one day...
>I do not like package systems, compile from source,
>it is the only way,
Its too soon for 64 bit. Wait at least 5 more years. Linux has
excellent support for >4GB memory in 32 bit mode by using a bigmem
kernel. Even in 32bit mode the modern x86's address bus is 36 or 40
bits wide.
--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:53:33 GMT) it happened nico@puntnl.niks
(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4fddb4d9.1255304437@news.kpn.nl>:
>Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:26:10 GMT) it happened nico@puntnl.niks
>>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4fdd14f8.1214382578@news.kpn.nl>:
>>
>>>With 256MB ram you can't run full blown Linux either.
>>
>>
>>Are you out of touch with reality?
>>My old server has 385 MB RAM,
>
>...and a hard drive to swap to. Firefox for example wants over 200MB
>of memory for itself. Now imagine running a few other applications.
This is true, but also notice that 'harddisk swapspace' could well be
solid state FLASH disk.
No more seek times, and those FLASH, be it USB stick,
or (micro)SDcard, or whatever, are getting faster and faster.
I record HD TV no problem an a 10 Euro 16 GB USB stick.
So that sort of makes the 'swap' more like real memory.
So adding a bigger SDcard with a swap partition may get rid of the smaller memory problem.
>>but now the Android APK refuses to run in 64 bit Slackware.
>>I will have to install an 32 bit version of Linux if I can find an empty partition one day...
>>I do not like package systems, compile from source,
>>it is the only way,
>
>Its too soon for 64 bit. Wait at least 5 more years. Linux has
>excellent support for >4GB memory in 32 bit mode by using a bigmem
>kernel. Even in 32bit mode the modern x86's address bus is 36 or 40
>bits wide.
Yes seems 64 bit is not here yet, performance increase over 32 bit is not even that much,
few percent I have benchmarked on video encoding, and that is where it counts here.
>--
>Failure

Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:53:33 GMT) it happened nico@puntnl.niks
>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4fddb4d9.1255304437@news.kpn.nl>:
>
>>Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:26:10 GMT) it happened nico@puntnl.niks
>>>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4fdd14f8.1214382578@news.kpn.nl>:
>>>
>>>>With 256MB ram you can't run full blown Linux either.
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you out of touch with reality?
>>>My old server has 385 MB RAM,
>>
>>...and a hard drive to swap to. Firefox for example wants over 200MB
>>of memory for itself. Now imagine running a few other applications.
>
>This is true, but also notice that 'harddisk swapspace' could well be
>solid state FLASH disk.
>No more seek times, and those FLASH, be it USB stick,
>or (micro)SDcard, or whatever, are getting faster and faster.
That sounds like a way of wearing out the USB stick or SD card real
fast.
--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:53:33 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
>...and a hard drive to swap to. Firefox for example wants over 200MB
>of memory for itself. Now imagine running a few other applications.
You are an idiot who was lied to about a firefox version 5 iterations
ago.
I'll bet the "firefox environment" is far smaller on a current version.
You Luddite dope.

On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:53:33 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
>
>Its too soon for 64 bit.
What an idiot.
> Wait at least 5 more years. Linux has
>excellent support for >4GB memory in 32 bit mode by using a bigmem
>kernel. Even in 32bit mode the modern x86's address bus is 36 or 40
>bits wide.
Hahahahaha!

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:01:52 GMT) it happened nico@puntnl.niks
(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4fddc635.1259748078@news.kpn.nl>:
>>This is true, but also notice that 'harddisk swapspace' could well be
>>solid state FLASH disk.
>>No more seek times, and those FLASH, be it USB stick,
>>or (micro)SDcard, or whatever, are getting faster and faster.
>
>That sounds like a way of wearing out the USB stick or SD card real
>fast.
It is true that that exposes the FLASH to a lot more writes.
But also modern FLASH has a lot more read write cycles than it used to be,
and for the memory sizes needed, the price, say cost, is very low.
I tested this by making a grml distro on a 8GB USB stick that I can
plug in my old eeepc.
That eeepc was one of the very first ones, and has only 4GB FLASH,
and a simpler version of Linux.
I wanted all the functionality I have in my normal grml server disk
on the eeepc, so, this is how that USB stick is partitioned:
panteltje10: ~ # fdisk /dev/sdc
Command (m for help): p
Disk /dev/sdc: 8011 MB, 8011120640 bytes
247 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1021 cylinders, total 15646720 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x1a2b3c4a <- modified
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdc1 * 63 4194367 2097152+ 6 FAT16
/dev/sdc2 4194368 5423168 614400+ 82 Linux swap <-------------------------
/dev/sdc3 5423169 5546049 61440+ 83 Linux
/dev/sdc4 5546050 15646719 5050335 83 Linux
I just boot from the BIOS into this disk...
This leaves the eeepc intact, and maybe in many years I can auction it for 100 x value or more,
as was one of the first apple computahs last week.
This little eeepc, that runs Linux, created a completely new market segment,
scared the sh*t out of MS, gave Jobs some ideas, and is now a very special thing.
No harddisk, all solid state, LED backlight, runs firefox, wifi.
So, anyways, grml ( www,grml.org ) runs perfectly using the USB stick with its swap partition.
600 MB swap is enough for most cases, except when you start to work with ESA pictures.
The FAT16 partition is needed else the BIOS does not boot.
The smaller Linux partition sdc3 is ext2 and holds the kernel,
the bigger partition is reiserfs and holds the rest,
Am not using this stick a lot (at all), but I will let you know when it no longer works :-)
Then, as I have a real HD image of it somewhere, I just copy the image to an other USB stick.
Backups, backups, backups.
Just got minidlna working in 32 bit Ubuntu (using a binary) and watched a movie with it.
>--
>Failure

On 17/06/12 09:26, Nico Coesel wrote:
> With 256MB ram you can't run full blown Linux either.
Blink, wow "Full blown" If i want the full blown bloatware Linux, then
I'll backup 32Gb or such, but I've had usable Linux desktops systems
running on as lttle as 32Mb and still have a major server running on
96mb. Go figure.

On 17-Jun-12 7:32 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:55:52 +1000) it happened Don McKenzie
> <5V@2.5A> wrote in<a44dn9Flo1U1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 17-Jun-12 7:46 AM, Frank Buss wrote:
>>> Nico Coesel wrote:
>>
>>> It is not as easy as with mounting holes or slots, but that's just a
>>> matter of the right case:
>>>
>>> http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
>>
>> well that is the nicest case I have seen for the RPi to date.
>>
>> Don...
>
> Yes transparent plastic boxes are nice:
> http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/LCD_in_transparent_box_img_2033.jpg
> Been using those for years:
> http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/gm_pic/gm_pic_in_box_front_img_2411.jpg
>
> But how to -fix that box- to something?
> Seems merely shifting the problem?
> :-)
Sure, perhaps an option to have a wider bottom panel with 4 outside
mounting holes.
Or two wider panels for the top and bottom, so you can vertically stack
them. :-)
But those boxes are sweet. Has my mind running with a few ideas.
Cheers Don...
==============
--
Don McKenzie
Dontronics: http://www.dontronics-shop.com/
The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $30 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

0

Don

6/17/2012 5:07:37 PM

On 17/06/2012 5:04 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
> On 16-Jun-12 9:12 PM, Nico Coesel wrote:
>> Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 16-June-2012
>>> SINGLE BOARD LINUX COMPUTER with i.MX233 ARM926J @454Mhz
>>>
>>> Now available:
>>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olimex-imx233-olinuxino-maxi.html
>>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html
>>
>> Looks interesting! Can you connect a 800x480 TFT panel to this board?
>
> This unit has been conceived, designed, manufactured, and brought to
> market by Olimex, and all after the RPi went on sale on the 29th of
> February 2012.
>
> The development discussion group is at Yahoo Groups:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/olinuxino/
>
> Most questions have already been answered there, as it is a very active
> group already.
>
> The project is hosted at Github: https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO
>
> OLINUXINO is completely open source - including hardware and software,
> this means you have access to all CAD files and sources and you can
> reuse them for your own personal or commercial project. There are NO
> restrictions to manufacture and sell these board for your own use or
> resale.
>
> OLINUXINO use widely available microcontroller iMX233 which cost USD
> 5.50 in 100 pcs quantity, this means that people can spin off their own
> boards and manufacture them cheap as the processor is in TQFP easy to
> assembly by hobbyist package.
>
> RASPBERRY PI have no released CAD files nor complete schematics, RPi
> uses processor from Broadcom which is not available for sale in small
> quantity, it uses BGA package which requires expensive setup to
> assembly. RPi is designed to be home gadget, OLINUXINO will work in
> industrial environment -25+85C and will be designed to be low cost but
> NOISE immune.
>
> =========================
>
At $25 per unit, who would want to build their own?

On 18-Jun-12 1:05 PM, keithr wrote:
>> =========================
>>
> At $25 per unit, who would want to build their own?
$25 a unit. Where did you see one for sale at that price Keith?
Don...
====================
--
Don McKenzie
Dontronics: http://www.dontronics-shop.com/
The World's Cheapest Computer:
DuinoMite the PIC32 $30 Basic Computer-MicroController
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/the-maximite-computer.html
Just add a VGA monitor or TV, and PS2 Keyboard.
Arduino Shield, Programmed in Basic, or C.

0

Don

6/18/2012 5:04:14 AM

keithr <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>On 17/06/2012 5:04 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
>> On 16-Jun-12 9:12 PM, Nico Coesel wrote:
>>> Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 16-June-2012
>>>> SINGLE BOARD LINUX COMPUTER with i.MX233 ARM926J @454Mhz
>>>>
>>>> Now available:
>>>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olimex-imx233-olinuxino-maxi.html
>>>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html
>>>
>>> Looks interesting! Can you connect a 800x480 TFT panel to this board?
>>
>> This unit has been conceived, designed, manufactured, and brought to
>> market by Olimex, and all after the RPi went on sale on the 29th of
>> February 2012.
>>
>> The development discussion group is at Yahoo Groups:
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/olinuxino/
>>
>> Most questions have already been answered there, as it is a very active
>> group already.
>>
>> The project is hosted at Github: https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO
>>
>> OLINUXINO is completely open source - including hardware and software,
>> this means you have access to all CAD files and sources and you can
>> reuse them for your own personal or commercial project. There are NO
>> restrictions to manufacture and sell these board for your own use or
>> resale.
>>
>> OLINUXINO use widely available microcontroller iMX233 which cost USD
>> 5.50 in 100 pcs quantity, this means that people can spin off their own
>> boards and manufacture them cheap as the processor is in TQFP easy to
>> assembly by hobbyist package.
>>
>> RASPBERRY PI have no released CAD files nor complete schematics, RPi
>> uses processor from Broadcom which is not available for sale in small
>> quantity, it uses BGA package which requires expensive setup to
>> assembly. RPi is designed to be home gadget, OLINUXINO will work in
>> industrial environment -25+85C and will be designed to be low cost but
>> NOISE immune.
>>
>> =========================
>>
>At $25 per unit, who would want to build their own?
In many cases you don't want to put an eval board + baseboard in a
product. Since SoCs are quite complex (The manual for Freescale's
IMX51 is over 4000 pages) it is a really good idea to start with a
working design rather than to start from scratch. One of my customers
used the Beagleboard to prototype their product and used the
schematics from the Beagleboard as a basis for their own (PCB) design.
--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
--------------------------------------------------------------

On 18/06/2012 3:04 PM, Don McKenzie wrote:
> On 18-Jun-12 1:05 PM, keithr wrote:
>
>>> =========================
>>>
>> At $25 per unit, who would want to build their own?
>
> $25 a unit. Where did you see one for sale at that price Keith?
>
> Don...
>
> ====================
>
>
Sorry, mine was invoiced at $33.50, still probably less than you could
purchase the components for unless you are a major manufacturer.

On 18/06/2012 5:20 PM, Nico Coesel wrote:
> keithr <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 17/06/2012 5:04 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
>>> On 16-Jun-12 9:12 PM, Nico Coesel wrote:
>>>> Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 16-June-2012
>>>>> SINGLE BOARD LINUX COMPUTER with i.MX233 ARM926J @454Mhz
>>>>>
>>>>> Now available:
>>>>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olimex-imx233-olinuxino-maxi.html
>>>>> http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olinuxino.html
>>>>
>>>> Looks interesting! Can you connect a 800x480 TFT panel to this board?
>>>
>>> This unit has been conceived, designed, manufactured, and brought to
>>> market by Olimex, and all after the RPi went on sale on the 29th of
>>> February 2012.
>>>
>>> The development discussion group is at Yahoo Groups:
>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/olinuxino/
>>>
>>> Most questions have already been answered there, as it is a very active
>>> group already.
>>>
>>> The project is hosted at Github: https://github.com/OLIMEX/OLINUXINO
>>>
>>> OLINUXINO is completely open source - including hardware and software,
>>> this means you have access to all CAD files and sources and you can
>>> reuse them for your own personal or commercial project. There are NO
>>> restrictions to manufacture and sell these board for your own use or
>>> resale.
>>>
>>> OLINUXINO use widely available microcontroller iMX233 which cost USD
>>> 5.50 in 100 pcs quantity, this means that people can spin off their own
>>> boards and manufacture them cheap as the processor is in TQFP easy to
>>> assembly by hobbyist package.
>>>
>>> RASPBERRY PI have no released CAD files nor complete schematics, RPi
>>> uses processor from Broadcom which is not available for sale in small
>>> quantity, it uses BGA package which requires expensive setup to
>>> assembly. RPi is designed to be home gadget, OLINUXINO will work in
>>> industrial environment -25+85C and will be designed to be low cost but
>>> NOISE immune.
>>>
>>> =========================
>>>
>> At $25 per unit, who would want to build their own?
>
> In many cases you don't want to put an eval board + baseboard in a
> product. Since SoCs are quite complex (The manual for Freescale's
> IMX51 is over 4000 pages) it is a really good idea to start with a
> working design rather than to start from scratch. One of my customers
> used the Beagleboard to prototype their product and used the
> schematics from the Beagleboard as a basis for their own (PCB) design.
>
That is not the intent of the Rpi, if that is what you want to do then
another product is probably what you want.

On 6/18/2012 1:58 AM, keithr wrote:
> Sorry, mine was invoiced at $33.50, still probably less than you could
> purchase the components for unless you are a major manufacturer.
>
Are you in the US ??
Can we get the Rpi at all over here yet ??
thanks

On 18/06/2012 11:11 PM, hamilton wrote:
> On 6/18/2012 1:58 AM, keithr wrote:
>
>> Sorry, mine was invoiced at $33.50, still probably less than you could
>> purchase the components for unless you are a major manufacturer.
>>
>
> Are you in the US ??
>
> Can we get the Rpi at all over here yet ??
>
> thanks
>
No, I'm in Australia, I ordered it from RS components in the UK. It is
supposed to be on its way now after a wait of 3 months.

On 6/18/2012 7:23 AM, keithr wrote:
> On 18/06/2012 11:11 PM, hamilton wrote:
>> On 6/18/2012 1:58 AM, keithr wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, mine was invoiced at $33.50, still probably less than you could
>>> purchase the components for unless you are a major manufacturer.
>>>
>>
>> Are you in the US ??
>>
>> Can we get the Rpi at all over here yet ??
>>
>> thanks
>>
> No, I'm in Australia, I ordered it from RS components in the UK. It is
> supposed to be on its way now after a wait of 3 months.
>
$33.50 plus what for shipping ??
hamilton

In article <jrnbm4$ieq$1@dont-email.me>,
hamilton <hamilton@nothere.com> wrote:
>On 6/18/2012 7:23 AM, keithr wrote:
>> On 18/06/2012 11:11 PM, hamilton wrote:
>>> On 6/18/2012 1:58 AM, keithr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, mine was invoiced at $33.50, still probably less than you could
>>>> purchase the components for unless you are a major manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you in the US ??
>>>
>>> Can we get the Rpi at all over here yet ??
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>> No, I'm in Australia, I ordered it from RS components in the UK. It is
>> supposed to be on its way now after a wait of 3 months.
>>
>
>$33.50 plus what for shipping ??
Three boards for the Dutch Forth Chapter have arrived last week.
Nobody complained about the shipping costs.
>
>hamilton
Groetjes Albert
--
--
Albert van der Horst, UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

On 2012-06-18, hamilton <hamilton@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 6/18/2012 1:58 AM, keithr wrote:
>
>> Sorry, mine was invoiced at $33.50, still probably less than you could
>> purchase the components for unless you are a major manufacturer.
>>
>
> Are you in the US ??
>
> Can we get the Rpi at all over here yet ??
Assuming USA, your suppliers are "Premier farnell" (AKA newark.com )
and "RS components". (AKA alliedelec.com) they seem to not have any
yet.
If you're in a hurry seems to be plenty on ebay as about double RRP
(still cheap)
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Arch Linux Magazine, August 2009
,----[ Quote ]
| And the Arch Linux Magazine is born:
| * The PDF version
| * The HTML version
| * Discuss this Magazine
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http://www.archlinux.org/news/458/
Firefly Linux: Another Linux distro for your netbook, but based on Arch Linux
,----[ Quote ]
| In the last few months, numerous Linux distros (Ubuntu NBR, EEEbuntu 3.0)
| have been released for the netbooks. Here is another one, but unlike the two
| distros mentioned above, it is based on highly sophisticated Arch Linux,
| which is generally considered for the pro users.
|
| [...]
|
| Its install size is 559MB which is significantly smaller than the Ubuntu NBR.
| However, it still manager to pack in all the basic apps like web-browser,
| Open Office, Skype and GIMP (for image editing). Also, everything works out
| of box (including Wi-Fi).
`----
http://gadgetmix.com/index/firefly-linux-another-linux-distro-for-your-netbook-but-based-on-arch-linux/
Recent:
Arch Linux 2009.02
,----[ Quote ]
| Arch Linux is a distro developed without assitance from any of the major
| distributions, and is targeted at experienced users of Linux. It is unique in
| the Linux world that it uses a ‘rc.conf’ file which is executed everytime
| upon start up, an idea borrowed from the BSD style systems.
|
| While this review is technically one of the 2009.02 release, Arch Linux uses
| a ‘rolling-release’ system, in which the actual system is ...

Celeron-based ETX SBC runs embedded LinuxLinux News - USA
The new ETX-P3T SBC is based on an Intel Celeron processor supported by
the Intel i815E chipset, and targets systems and devices using embedded
Linux and other ...
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8223594527.html
...

[News] Embedded Digest: Set Top Box, Embedded Computer Runs Linux, Linux Gains AoE Net-bootCompact embedded computers run Linux on Pentium
,----[ Quote ]
| Acrosser has added three new models to its line of compact,
| low-power, industrial computers. The AR-ES0831 series supports Linux,
| and is aimed at space-constrained applications such as kiosks,
| environmental monitoring, and medical instruments, according to the
| company.
`----
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8711117856.html
Linux gains AoE net-boot
,----[ Quote ]
| "Etherboot is the defacto standard for network booting on the Linux
| platform. By extending the capabilities of Etherboot to AoE-bas...

[News] [Linux] New Version of Berry Linux Released; A Look at Edubuntu and Arch LinuxBerry (from Japan) has a new release:
http://berry.sourceforge.jp/
Tip of the Trade: Edubuntu
,----[ Quote ]
| You can literally have an entire network up and and running in
| an hour.
|
| Edubuntu, like all good Linuxes, supports older hardware well.
`----
http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3682596
Arch Voodoo Install
,----[ Quote ]
| I would recommend Arch Linux to anyone who can read documents. Arch is
| a very simple, fast and clean Linux distribution and installs only
| the required applications.
`----
http://abhay-techzone.blogspot.com/2007/06/arch-voodoo-install.html
Related:
Edubuntu Linux Installation With Screenshots
,----[ Quote ]
| Edubuntu is Ubuntu GNU/Linux customised for
| schools, containing additional applications
| for young human beings, administration tools
| for school management, and a built-in terminal
| server. Besides the standard software available
| on the Edubuntu CD, you will also find a world
| of software in the Edubuntu Universe, an on-line
| repository containing more than 10GB of community
| contributed software.
`----
http://www.debianadmin.com/latest-edubuntu-linux-installation-with-screenshots.html
Edubuntu: Linux for education
,----[ Quote ]
| In Venezuela, for instance, "there are several movements that were
| originated by a new law, Presidential Decree No. 3390, where all
| public institutions must use open source software," says Efrain
| Valles, a Venezuelan educator, Ubuntu user, and op...

Tutors / study materials to quickly ramp-up Linux kernel / Linux device drivers for non-Linux embedded expertsCould some one point me any Linux tutor / study material which is written
for embedded programmers those who are already familiar with RTOS, low
level device driver programming skills?
Thanks in advance!
---------------------------------------
Posted through http://www.EmbeddedRelated.com
2014-02-04 19:19, t_palani skrev:
> Could some one point me any Linux tutor / study material which is written
> for embedded programmers those who are already familiar with RTOS, low
> level device driver programming skills?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
Check the Free-Electrons website.
They have a complete open source linux course.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Posted through http://www.EmbeddedRelated.com
>
On 02/04/2014 07:19 PM, t_palani wrote:
> Could some one point me any Linux tutor / study material which is written
> for embedded programmers those who are already familiar with RTOS, low
> level device driver programming skills?
For free and very good:
http://oreilly.com/openbook/linuxdrive3/book/
Good luck!
Yours sincerely,
Rene
...

Does Linux and embedded Linux provides RAW socket?Any idea, whether regular LInux or Embedded Linux provides RAW
socket?. We are buying some third party IPC API, they claim it is on
RAW socket based, I am wondering if we want to use that with embedded
linux, do we have to do port anything?. otherwise we have to have to
write IPC API which consumes lot of man power (socket, sendto, select,
recvfrom), thanks.
2007-04-10, 19:21(-07), GS:
> Any idea, whether regular LInux or Embedded Linux provides RAW
> socket?. We are buying some third party IPC API, they claim it is on
> RAW socket based, I am wondering if we want to use that with embedded
> linux, do we have to do port anything?. otherwise we have to have to
> write IPC API which consumes lot of man power (socket, sendto, select,
> recvfrom), thanks.
Linux has RAW sockets at least in the inet and inet6 protocol
families. But I'm not too sure that's what you're talking about.
Those are for cooking IP packets from raw, not for IPC.
See:
man 7 raw
on a Linux box.
http://man.linuxquestions.org/index.php?query=raw&section=7
--
St�phane
Steve,
Thanks fro reply, my question is: Is there any issue if we implement
IPC library using RAW sockets versus regular socket programming
(SOCK_DGRAM), this we need to use it on commercial embedded Linux OS.
Thanks.
On Apr 13, 12:21 pm, "GS" <globalsw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Thanks fro reply, my question is: Is there any issue if we implement
> IPC library usin...

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,----[ Quote ]
| Install a lightweight operating system that’s always up to date. Featuring the
| speedy Openbox desktop and built on the rolling release Arch Linux, Archbang
| delivers both minimalism and up-to-date software. Best of all, it’s a lot
| easier to set up and use than a vanilla Arch installation.
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http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/archbang-lightweight-date-linux/
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> ArchBang Is Lightweight & Always Up To Date [Linux]
Linux distributions based upon other Linux distributions which are
based upon other Linux distributions.
Talk about fragmentation.
What a waste of time.
Lee Harvey wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 00:56:51 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
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>> ArchBang Is Lightweight & Always Up To Date [Linux]
>
> Linux distributions based upon other Linux distributions
The reason for its existence is actually in Roy's quote: Its initial setup
is much "easier"/faster.
> which are
> based upon other Linux distributions.
...

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Blackmagic Design Releases Linux SDK for DeckLink, Multibridge and Intensity
,----[ Quote ]
| Blackmagic Design Inc. has released support for software developers who want
| to use DeckLink, Intensity and Multibridge products on the Linux platform.
| Support includes the software driver and an SDK for developers, and can be
| downloaded now from the Blackmagic Design web site, free of charge.
`----
http://software.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=788839
Super Talent launches line of flash disk modules
,----[ Quote ]
| It seems like these would also make an ideal way to embed a Linux OS on a
| small form factor board for that carputer or NAS appliance you've been
| thinking about building. Super Talent is currently shipping units but didn't
| disclose pricing.
`----
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/11150-super-talent-launches-line-of-flash-disk-modules/
Recent:
Have You Seen the Beagle Board?
,----[ Quote ]
| This is an incredible find. It’s a computer that can sit in your living room
| and run an HDTV. Of course, the thing has a Linux kernel at its heart. Watch
| the video and see what I mean.
`----
http://preacherpen.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/have-you-seen-the-beagle-board/
Related:
Linux still top embedded OS
,----[ Quote ]
| In a new whitepaper on Linux in the embedded market, VDC researchers cite the
| following reasons for Linux's popularity:
|
| * Licensing cost advantag...

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Distro Hoppin`: SAM Linux 2009
,----[ Quote ]
| Well, if you like trying out new distributions, certainly give SAM a spin.
| Despite its problems, it brings forward some original elements that separates
| it from the crowd. Plus, it is packed with the latest and greatest software.
| I'm very curious about how the next release will be though, as the developers
| said that SAM 2009 is the last version using the PCLinuxOS base.
`----
http://www.itlure.com/2009/08/distro-hoppin-sam-linux-2009.html
Arch Linux: The Simple, Flexible (and Fast!) Distro
,----[ Quote ]
| Arch Linux is a unique distribution, offering the latest free software via a
| super fast package manager coupled with a “keep it simple” philosophy. It is
| fast becoming a very popular distribution and now thanks to their split
| packages, you can install a lightweight KDE 4.3 desktop for even more
| flexibility and speed.
`----
http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7469/1.html
Origin of Famous Linux Distibutions
http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2008/11/origin-famous-linux-distibutions-come.html
Recent:
SAM Linux 2009
,----[ Quote ]
| SAM is a pleasant, small LiveCD distribution that doesn't use Gnome or KDE
| (although in all fairness XFce does use Gnome libraries). The software
| selection is small but covers most of the common themes users will want.
`----
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MontaVista Linux 6 Gets Market Specific
,----[ Quote ]
| Linux has gained in popularity among server and device vendors as being a
| good general purpose operating system. When it comes to device vendors which
| often have different chip architectures and needs than a general purpose
| operating system provides, there is a need for customization which adds time
| and expense to a project. Embedded Linux vendor MontaVista is now taking aim
| at that issue by splitting apart its Linux distribution into what it refers
| to as Market Specific D...

[News] Commercial Linuxes Under Threat from Free Linuxes (Embedded)The value-add of commercial Linux distributions in embedded military
applications
,----[ Quote ]
| As the popularity of the Linux operating system continues to grow in embedded
| applications, developers have a choice of using a commercial Linux
| distribution or a free kernel.org version with open embedded tools. Surveys
| have shown that free public Linux deployment is expanding in embedded apps.
| So what must the commercial distributions offer to keep and grow market
| share? We will examine three key factors: support, tools, and feature
| enhancements.
`----
http://www.mil-e...

UK Embedded MasterclassHi,
just a quick note to let you know that we are running another Embedded
Masterclass - it is in London and but to be repeated in Bristol (8th
and 13th May). For those of you that have never attended, its a non-
sales forum to learn about the latest and greatest stuff. This year
will include presentations on 'realtime' linux, farming dsp's in high
end systems, software timing analysis, time triggered design... the
presentation ate technical.. so no sales pitch. There are over 20
vendor engineers with tabletops for demo's and discussions.
Also - there is an Embedde...

I have Linux! I have Linux!
Ok, after two days of trying to get Windos 1900 installed and working , I
sat down an hour ago and installed Linux. In an hour.
Smirk.
Ok, I will be honest. I did have some problems, but I believe they were
of my own ignorance.
0) I started with trying to install Suse. However, I couldn't get it to
install. Why? Because I didn't read the menu. There is a startup menu
and the first entry is boot to harddisk. I thought that was the thing to
do so I did it about 4 times. Then I gave up. However, I went back to it
and subsequently realized that I should have chosen the 2nd men...

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SystemRescueCd updated
,----[ Quote ]
| SystemRescueCD Logo The SystemRescueCd
| developers have released the fourth
| update to the 1.5.x branch of their Linux
| distribution. Based on the Gentoo LiveCD,
| the SystemRescueCd is configured as a
| tool kit for administering or repairing
| an operating system and recovering data
| after a system crash. Supported file
| systems include Ext2, Ext3 and Ext4,
| ReiserFS, XFS, JFS, VFAT, NTFS, ISO9660
| and Btrfs.
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Intel talks Linux, netbooks and rivalry with ARM
,----[ Quote ]
| [As a] release from an open-source perspective,
| it's a milestone more than it is a product release —
| product releases come from OS vendors and OEMs [manufacturers].
| Soon you will start to see OEMs shipping netbooks with Moblin.
| You will see an announcement over the
| next week or two.
`----
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39755141,00.htm
New 2-GHz ARM Chip Heads for Linux Devices
,----[ Quote ]
| Embedded core designer ARM Ltd. on Wednesday announced
| a 2-GHz version of its Cortex-A9 microprocessor that may
| eventually appear in smartphones and smartbooks.
|
| ARM will deliver the core IP itself during the fourth
| quarter, so any products based on the technology will
| likely have to wait until the new year.
`----
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352939,00.asp
Linux Foundation the latest in ARM's web of mobile alliances
,----[ Quote ]
| ARM, whose processor designs are used in the vast
| majority of mobile devices, is increasingly becoming
| a power broker in the mobile web world, allying with
| a range of larger partners to create an open platform
| that is geared to the ARM architecture, rather
| than Intel's x86. The latest is the Linux
| Foundation, the non-profit organization that
| recently took on responsibility for Intel's own
| Linux system, Moblin.
`----
http://www.rethink-wireless.com/?...

My Linux is not your LinuxTo the denizens of comp.os.linux.advocacy!
So many people demonstrate in this newsgroup that
they know only a Linux of Hatred and Greed, of paranoia,
and of a selfish sense of entitlement. They seem always to be
behaving like monkeys in reaction to human dissenters,
throwing feces at one another and beating their
chests pretending to know something.
My Linux is not that Linux. My Linux is the Linux of Love,
of sharing, friendship, community. It is a uniquely
human Linux and not one for monkeys. When I speak
with fellow Linux users in real life (i.e. not in the
monkeyhouse of COLA) they remind me of myself: practical,
freedom-loving, anti-corporate. Here in COLA however
they remind me of monkeys or spoiled brats or worse,
corporate sysadmins.
My Linux is not your Linux. It is the human Linux
that acknowledges that Linux involves human work
to create, that although it is free you are not
entitled to it, that although it is created in large part
by volunteers, they deserve to be paid for their
gifts with at least gratitude. And that monkeys and
self-entitled brats and sysadmins never thank anyone.
yarmfelder@yahoo.com writes:
> To the denizens of comp.os.linux.advocacy!
You crossposted to gnu.misc.discuss.
> My Linux is not your Linux. It is the human Linux
> that acknowledges that Linux involves human work
> to create, that although it is free you are not
> entitled to it, that although it is created in large part
> by volunteers, they deserve to be pa...

embedded linuxhi friends !
we are an training institute.we wanted to start embedded linux
module .so could some one please name good books or URLs on embedded
linux.
Please note that it should not be in too
depth
regards
...