Annotated Wire Story on Vatican Scandals Spilling Out All Over - Atheist Nexus2016-12-09T15:22:21Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/annotated-wire-story-on-vatican-scandals-spilling-out-all-over?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A2165557&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI just saw a story online, ma…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-17:2182797:Comment:21664242013-02-17T22:49:59.269ZJames M. Martinhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JamesMMartin
<p>I just saw a story online, maybe from Daily Beast, saying the Church is being taken to account for the failure to report and that the Pope's resignation may signal a possible scandal in the making.</p>
<p>I just saw a story online, maybe from Daily Beast, saying the Church is being taken to account for the failure to report and that the Pope's resignation may signal a possible scandal in the making.</p> I am a firm (fanatical) suppo…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-17:2182797:Comment:21664192013-02-17T22:12:52.017ZJim DePaulohttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/carver
<p>I am a firm (fanatical) supporter of the separation of church and state. But that does not apply to criminal acts – nothing in the Constitutions grants immunity to the church(s) that violate civil law. The last I checked child sexual molestation was a CRIME. Failure to report it is also a crime to say nothing of covering it up. These are scum that are giving Catholics spiritual guidance? They would be better served listening to Hannibal Lector.</p>
<p>I am a firm (fanatical) supporter of the separation of church and state. But that does not apply to criminal acts – nothing in the Constitutions grants immunity to the church(s) that violate civil law. The last I checked child sexual molestation was a CRIME. Failure to report it is also a crime to say nothing of covering it up. These are scum that are giving Catholics spiritual guidance? They would be better served listening to Hannibal Lector.</p> SteveInCO And cut off noses a…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-17:2182797:Comment:21661572013-02-17T21:03:23.663ZJoan Denoohttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JoanDenoo
<p>SteveInCO And cut off noses and ears of people who would not conform and burn them at the stake, and crush them under a pile of stones --- it took the poor man three days t die in Salem.</p>
<p>SteveInCO And cut off noses and ears of people who would not conform and burn them at the stake, and crush them under a pile of stones --- it took the poor man three days t die in Salem.</p> Now, to whom does one give al…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-17:2182797:Comment:21656882013-02-17T16:17:39.238ZSteveInCOhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/SteveInCO
<blockquote><p>Now, to whom does one give allegiance? Do we want church to get messed up with state? Are all religions and religious corrupt and sexually sick? NO, But can I tolerate the destruction of the wall of separation between church and state? NO</p>
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<p>Even if it were a "good" [sic] church entangled with the government, that would not last; political power draws the fundamentally corrupt, the rent seekers, the control freaks... give the state power over religion <em>or…</em></p>
<blockquote><p>Now, to whom does one give allegiance? Do we want church to get messed up with state? Are all religions and religious corrupt and sexually sick? NO, But can I tolerate the destruction of the wall of separation between church and state? NO</p>
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<p>Even if it were a "good" [sic] church entangled with the government, that would not last; political power draws the fundamentally corrupt, the rent seekers, the control freaks... give the state power over religion <em>or vice versa</em> and those people will swarm over it using the state to either crush their competing religions (in the first case) whilst leaving their own untouched, or use the state to positively favor their religion (in the vice-versa case). Those good [again, sic] religions determined not to abuse government power in any of these ways will simply lose out.</p>
<p>The phrase "wall of separation between church and state" may not appear in the constitution (which is to be expected, metaphors should not be in legal documents which ought to be literally interpreted, the idea being that literal interpretation is harder to argue over) but the concept is implicit in what <em>is</em> there. And it's important for <em>everyone</em> to note the wall works in <em>both</em> directions.</p> Ah but you know the pilgrims…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-17:2182797:Comment:21656852013-02-17T16:08:23.685ZSteveInCOhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/SteveInCO
<p>Ah but you know the pilgrims prized religious freedom so much they kept it all to themselves!</p>
<p>Ah but you know the pilgrims prized religious freedom so much they kept it all to themselves!</p> I think that statue is by Mic…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-17:2182797:Comment:21657282013-02-17T05:03:23.637ZJames M. Martinhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JamesMMartin
<p>I think that statue is by Michelangelo. Fairly famous. It's supposed to be Mosheh, but it looks like Pan.</p>
<p>I think that statue is by Michelangelo. Fairly famous. It's supposed to be Mosheh, but it looks like Pan.</p> Absolutely Joan and honestly…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-17:2182797:Comment:21655572013-02-17T04:46:46.920ZTammy Shttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/TammyS
<p>Absolutely Joan and honestly lately I've been very frightened by the Tea Party, but I take heart that since 9-11 we've been seeing the death throes of fundamentalism in this country, at least that's how I console myself... I am living in the hell of a red state where as recently as this week one of our representatives told women to cover their nipples with duct tape to keep from being arrested... one wonders if a male nipple should too be found as vulgar and if not, why not? This freakish…</p>
<p>Absolutely Joan and honestly lately I've been very frightened by the Tea Party, but I take heart that since 9-11 we've been seeing the death throes of fundamentalism in this country, at least that's how I console myself... I am living in the hell of a red state where as recently as this week one of our representatives told women to cover their nipples with duct tape to keep from being arrested... one wonders if a male nipple should too be found as vulgar and if not, why not? This freakish fear of glands... it boggles my mind. </p> I couldn't agree more, his ar…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-17:2182797:Comment:21654512013-02-17T04:41:39.135ZTammy Shttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/TammyS
<p>I couldn't agree more, his are the books we refuse to part with, well to be honest I find it hard to part with books period LOL... /somebody help me I think I'm going to end up on hoarders! <br></br><br></br>Reading your story about the Pan/Dionysus above, I have this one Moses bust that I thought was a pagan statue when I bought it, remember the one with what appear to be horns? Supposedly his rays of inspiration or some such nonsense, I forget how they described it. I kid you not, I thought he was…</p>
<p>I couldn't agree more, his are the books we refuse to part with, well to be honest I find it hard to part with books period LOL... /somebody help me I think I'm going to end up on hoarders! <br/><br/>Reading your story about the Pan/Dionysus above, I have this one Moses bust that I thought was a pagan statue when I bought it, remember the one with what appear to be horns? Supposedly his rays of inspiration or some such nonsense, I forget how they described it. I kid you not, I thought he was Greek...! I still have him, I rub his horns from time to time and it makes me laugh, find joy where you can! </p>
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<p></p> When I got into it, I shopped…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-17:2182797:Comment:21655252013-02-17T01:40:13.239ZJames M. Martinhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JamesMMartin
<p>When I got into it, I shopped at an occult book shop in NYC where the owner, a fat, <em>tres gai</em> neo-pagan with a pissy disposition, glanced at the little statuette I was buying and I blushed and said "Pan." He replied: "Dionysus. Look at the jug he's carrying." Sure enough, my ithyphallic Dionysus, he of the platypus lips, clutches closely his jug of wine. The owner, who also carried merchandise relating to voudoo, witchcraft, and other heretic or <em>pagani</em> belief systems,…</p>
<p>When I got into it, I shopped at an occult book shop in NYC where the owner, a fat, <em>tres gai</em> neo-pagan with a pissy disposition, glanced at the little statuette I was buying and I blushed and said "Pan." He replied: "Dionysus. Look at the jug he's carrying." Sure enough, my ithyphallic Dionysus, he of the platypus lips, clutches closely his jug of wine. The owner, who also carried merchandise relating to voudoo, witchcraft, and other heretic or <em>pagani</em> belief systems, was well known in occult circles, which tends to be a very hermetic subculture, you should pardon the pun.</p> Let us not forget the words o…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-16:2182797:Comment:21651122013-02-16T22:58:46.936ZJames M. Martinhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JamesMMartin
<p>Let us not forget the words of the Great Beast, Aleister Crowley (who took the "magick name" of Baphomet, only for Qabalistic purposes, he had to spell it "Bafomitr," I think it was): "The Devil is the God of people one personally dislikes." Crowley should be more widely read. He was no Satanist, he was a yogi. </p>
<p>Let us not forget the words of the Great Beast, Aleister Crowley (who took the "magick name" of Baphomet, only for Qabalistic purposes, he had to spell it "Bafomitr," I think it was): "The Devil is the God of people one personally dislikes." Crowley should be more widely read. He was no Satanist, he was a yogi. </p>