Hate speech ruling problematic - expert

2011-09-15 12:05

Johannesburg - The ruling banning the singing of "awudubule ibhunu" (shoot the boer) constituted an "absurd and drastic" infringement on freedom of speech, according to constitutional law expert Pierre de Vos.

In a column published in The Star on Thursday, De Vos criticises Judge Colin Lamont's ruling, saying it is based on racial stereotypes.

The judgment meant any person singing the song could be held in contempt of court, he writes.

"This, in my opinion, constitutes a rather absurd and drastic infringement on the right to freedom of expression not warranted by the Equality Act - even given the broad provisions of that act."

Racial lines

On Monday Lamont handed down his ruling on the complaint by AfriForum Youth, that ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's singing of the words at public gatherings constituted hate speech and threatened farmers.

Lamont declared the words "shoot the boer" and "shoot the boers, they rape" hate speech. He interdicted Malema and the ANC, which had joined proceedings, from singing them publicly or privately.

De Vos writes in the column, also published on his blog Constitutionally Speaking, that Lamont had divided society into a majority and a minority along racial lines.

"This rather essentialistic and simplistic division of South Africans into different race groups could be viewed as problematic."

The league announced on Wednesday it would appeal the ruling as far as the Constitutional Court, and would approach Parliament for legislation to protect songs considered part of the ANC's heritage.

De Vos says part of the problem with Lamont's ruling was that, in his opinion, the hate speech section of the Equality Act itself was too broad.

Comments

Victoria - 2011-09-15 12:09

No de Vos - Lamont has NOT divided this country along racial lines. Malema got there first!!!!

BigMoose - 2011-09-15 12:14

No, no, Victoria, the ANC got there before Malema. How the so-called "expert" de Vos can make a statement like that shows us all how much of an "expert" he really is.

Tolerant - 2011-09-15 12:16

I agree, Malema and his mates are dividing the country.

Charlie the man - 2011-09-15 12:23

Agree and would like to add that all the focus has been lost on the other case against Malema, because the NCA said they did not have sufficient funds for this investigation now everything has to come to a complete halt. This racist pig needs to get his day!!!!!!

Enigma - 2011-09-15 12:33

If you read the article properly, de vos is not suggesting the song be unbanned. he is suggesting the laws be looked at to allow for this.

Cynix - 2011-09-15 12:36

Dear Prof de Voth, if you had'nt noticed MM has been appointed to the judicial top job. Cool it for a while and in the mean time lease a farm and come farming in the north - you then also research on why a rhino's life expectancy is greater than that of a farmer - constitutionally speaking of course!

Servaas - 2011-09-15 12:37

Notbuyinface:"Please debatre intelligently for a change."
Lol.. about as intelligent as your spelling...

Felix - 2011-09-15 12:42

De Vos just coined it, compliments of the Ratty fund.

Notbuyinface - 2011-09-15 12:47

Sybaas, you are petty. Note i said intelligent debate, I wonder why you thought you fit in. Anyway, my point still stays.

Servaas - 2011-09-15 12:48

@phuhlisa.leukes2 : And the ANC perfected it with a dash of crime and corruption and a few clever words(according to them) like comrade..

WiseOwl2 - 2011-09-15 12:49

Whoever divided this country is irrelevant ! What matters is this is not the country that Madiba stood for.
We are simply becoming another failed African state - finish and klaar !

JM - 2011-09-15 13:02

I am truly amazed by the comments from de Vos and those made by the DA in another article. Black people are denouncing this song and approving of Judge Lamont’s findings in this case. It appears that South Africa’s problems are being aggravated by politicians and so called law experts in this case. This is not about destroying history or about prosecuting people that sings this song. It’s about maintaining a fragile balance. The truth is this, the average black, coloured, white & Indian South African wants peace. We have no problem with each other. We work side by side day in and day out. We want – an end to corruption and for those funds to be recovered, proper service delivery and an end to violent crime. We would like to see this economy grow and for people to live with dignity. We want a future for our kids. I sometimes question if this desire is shared by the leaders of this country.

roboman1 - 2011-09-15 13:14

Guess what, the same clouded "expert" opinion, from the same jaded, subjective ANC sycophant. Your view is either not an expert one, or it has been muddied by the journalist. Either way, there may be technical issues open to challenge, and this will happen, and eventually time will tell. But the divisive parties in this instance are the people supporting hate speech. (And in this instance De Vos, you are fueling the flames of hate speech in my humble view). How can it be acceptable to sing songs desirous of killing other people? How can it be acceptable especially in the light of the amount of farmers murdered each year? This never seemed such a complex dilemma or legal issue really, the only complexity is added by people who wish to perpetuate hatred and racism, are you one of those Mr. De Vos? Does it suit your personal agenda?

willieman - 2011-09-15 13:14

Even the so-called expert say this.Indeed we do not have leaders in this country how can we waste so much time on this petty issue which is not going to improve the education,economy of this country.This issue is polarising this nation.We should be spending time on issues that will make this country competetive on world stage.We need to be discussing about how can we move away from been consumers to producers.This is issue of this song is busy dragging us,we not moving forward.Please lets discuss about the REAL issues,education,economy,crime,uniting this nation so on and so forth, ga!!! madoda

Bob Smith - 2011-09-15 13:15

"The judgment meant any person singing the song could be held in contempt of court, he writes."
If someone wants to sing that song in their bedroom then thats fine, but Malema sung that song to incite violence among an uneducated crowd / following. Those people singing along are not thinking of their constitutional rights or freedom of speech or anything of the sort. Its just a violent mob with mob mentality singing about how they want the whites out of the country.

Pierre - 2011-09-15 13:28

De Vos is such a rent-a-quote these days. Why is it always his opinion dominating the media on every constitutional issue?

Danie - 2011-09-15 12:11

Comming from a person that supported Tutu`s call for a white tax..Don`t read to much into it...

cliffarc - 2011-09-15 12:59

- He's probably on the Anc's payroll.

Chomp - 2011-09-15 12:11

seriously, what the heck makes this guy a expert. how many of the judgments where he acted for 1 of the parties have actually been reported in the law reports published? does he actually do court cases?

emile.eley - 2011-09-15 12:39

Err, maybe because he is a Professor of Law and one of the leading experts in Constitutional Law. Just a thought.

Mad Hatter - 2011-09-15 13:28

These problems as he calls it ,always appear with precedent setting cases, so he does have some leg to stand on. Personally if you support a chant of this nature or use racially derogatory terms then its a reflection on your own character for everyone to see but as the judge pointed out that it can be very dangerous and history has repeatedly shown us that this rhetoric has undertones for heinous consequences. Its just sad that the government is clinging so hard to this when it causes so much offence and division ,in light of the needless violence which plagues our country . It sends very negative messages to their supporters , to the offended parties and to the international community. A simple lesson on what is and isn't appropriate when in positions of authority and responsibility would go down well at Luthuli House.

Durbsdude - 2011-09-15 12:11

Oh another liberal Afrikaner trying to get browny points with the Zuma government.

HappyGoLucky - 2011-09-15 12:15

probably to try avoid being murdered like the rest of us

King147 - 2011-09-15 12:28

True to a point, Im an african and i dont want to be near the current regime. they are a disgrace to african folk as a whole. *sits*

emile.eley - 2011-09-15 12:40

Not exactly Durbs. Actually he is a respected jurist and intellectual.

Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-15 12:52

Durbs do you know who De Vos is? What according to you is "browny Points", what is wrong with being liberal (as suppose to what), dude before you answer, know this you are nothing better thn Malema, you just like him

Durbsdude - 2011-09-15 13:07

I can certainly understand why Jonannes would be offended...being a liberal Afrikaner and all...

InternetMan - 2011-09-15 13:17

Haha! Well played Durbsdude.

LaughOutLoud - 2011-09-15 12:11

Pierre de Vos might need to wash off those brown rings around his ankles...
ANC suckup...

saabnut - 2011-09-15 12:35

Yip- he'll probably end up as their spokesman at Mangaung...

Cheq - 2011-09-15 12:46

I gather Pierre de Vos farm and family is safe after that article....now I just wonder what all the other afrikaaners think about this idiots view...

J Burnstein - 2011-09-15 13:11

Johannes Viljoen, who do you work for, the ANC? And what's up with the "dude" thing? Are you 5 years old?

Nintendo - 2011-09-15 13:16

De Vos is highly respected legal eagle has a sharp head on those shoulders, maybe try and read up before you comment is it that difficult? Did you even read the article maybe didnt understand hey.....

SushiBoy2 - 2011-09-15 13:29

@LaughOutLoud Is DA also ANC suck-up because they also said that the judgement was wrong?

cameronrh1 - 2011-09-15 12:12

If the song was changed to shoot the black, or shoot the black, they rape. That would make the white man a racist, seeing as we live in a time where appartheid seems to excist but the other way around. So why should they be allowed to sing the song???

chris white - 2011-09-15 13:22

now that was smart!

Steen - 2011-09-15 12:13

And now de Vos will be insulted by narrow minded news24 Users.

Agent Bastad - 2011-09-15 12:19

LOL

BigMoose - 2011-09-15 12:20

The narrow-minded de Vos deserves to be insulted. Ask this so-called expert if Affirmative Action is unconstitutional. His reply would be "no" because he has a job. If he was unemployed, and did not have an income because of the colour of his skin, he would sing a different tune.

Posting general insults about people you do not know and not focuing on the article which is why we have this oppertunity to comment, tells us alot about you Steen, idiot.

lovecbt77 - 2011-09-15 12:14

Hey i don't mind them signing shoot the boer, if they don't mind being called the K-word

Alex Dowding - 2011-09-15 13:27

Isn't imitation supposed to be the greatest form of flattery?

WHITE MAN - 2011-09-15 12:14

OH F*#K THIS WHOLE STORY!!!!

The_Realist - 2011-09-15 12:15

let us close the divide by singing "awudubule iMUNTU"!!!

Felix - 2011-09-15 12:48

Dubula itsotsi

ahpretorius - 2011-09-15 12:17

People were threatened with arest for singing the previous national anthem, Die Stem. Surely this has set a precedent.

InternetMan - 2011-09-15 13:19

Having a special court with special rules called the Equality Court (Hah!) has set the precedent.

Protest - 2011-09-15 12:17

Judge Lamont made it clear in his judgement that liberation songs are flexible and the words change according to circumstances.
The current Malema version of the song carries no historical value and is plainly hate-speech.
If the ANC wants to preserve the history of the struggle, then they have to be historically accurate.

allie - 2011-09-15 13:19

Decent,civilized people sing their national anthem if they need to ,to show their pride.Barbarians sing warsongs like Malemma.They sing and toy-toy realy to drive away their fear,because deep down they are cowards and this singing noise sort of bolster their bloodlust and give them a feeling of masstogetherness

Riaan Swanepoel - 2011-09-15 12:19

"to protect songs considered part of the ANC's heritage."
only one question... How do we protect OUR heritage if the goverment can go around and rename towns, provinces and roads, does this not take away from our heritage? I aggree with "some" name changes but mostly it seems they just change them for the hell of it.

InternetMan - 2011-09-15 13:20

Riaan your name is now Thami. Enjoy.

pitbull - 2011-09-15 12:20

Lamont isn't a racist. he is probably a very fair judge, whereas if a judge of another colour had been asked to preside on this case the judgement would have been slanted towards the other way and there would have been a far bigger outcry and a lot bigger massacre. Melanoma and all his likeminded kind should be chucked down the deepest mineshaft and told to work for their living. Let the reasonable people live on this planet and get rid of the extremists, who sit and do f-all for anyone except themselves.

emile.eley - 2011-09-15 12:44

How do you know all this for a fact Pitbull? You don't have to be White to be right you know.

Buffalo - 2011-09-15 13:14

Whoa you black boys are racist! Just like the organisation that you support. Just a note dubula(did you see my comment yesterday boy?): no white, india, china, arab man - no shoot. Because `dubula' does not refer to a bow and arrow, now does it, boy? It refers to something that you and you forefathers could not produce.

Costa - 2011-09-15 12:20

De Vos,i have heard all kinds of crap in my life but this one must be right up there.what do you think will happen if we all start singing "shoot the black they rape".maybe these boys should pop around your place and rape,torture and have some fun with you.after all you're not one off them looking at your name and surname my comrade

Peanut - 2011-09-15 12:21

Pierre de Vos get a life!If that song is not hate speech, I'm the Queen of England!

emile.eley - 2011-09-15 12:45

Yes Your Majesty.

Renier B - 2011-09-15 12:23

Agree De Vos should know better than utter something stupid like this, "Freedom of Speech" must be contained there is no space for Hate Speech no matter what and James I agree with you

Jason - 2011-09-15 12:25

Hah Hah De Vos Take your nose out of Juju's @$$hole mate!!

Kgaogelo - 2011-09-15 12:26

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the song,and i think if there was no one translating this song into Enlish then it would mean nothing to you. The song does not say shoot the boer, but dhubula ibhunu.

Kgaogelo - 2011-09-15 12:26

Sorry English

Proefleser - 2011-09-15 12:39

Kgaogelo - you may be right, but what is the sense in inciting people to kill one another in a country supposedly at peace? Do you really want civil war?

Kgaogelo - 2011-09-15 12:48

Proefleser,There has never been such cases before, even during the struggle. Infact the opposite was happening.

Trevor - 2011-09-15 13:04

True but one problem, Malema and his supporters have actually gone and LABELLED it "Shoot the Boer"...so what now?

Felix - 2011-09-15 13:09

kgaogelo, do you know what genocid watch is?

Protest - 2011-09-15 13:11

Hate-speech in any language......

Kgaogelo - 2011-09-15 13:17

@Trevor,honestly I have never heard Malema saying shoot the boer. perhaps the media. The truth is that blacks never had access to guns during the struggle and this should be enough to prove to you that this was never meant to kill anyone. The few blacks who had guns,were used by the then government to destroy their borthers and sister in exchange for petty stauff.

Illuminus - 2011-09-15 12:26

I sometimes wonder who the real liberals are. In society today we have FREEDOM of SPEECH (So long as you don't offend anyone). Sorry but that is not freedom of speech. We never had it to begin with. The liberal policies of today basically police your speech and behaviour. My main point here is, if somebody wants to be a racist, let them.
This is all well and good but what about the danger of genocide? This worry is of course valid, but surely there are steps we can take to prevent it without losing our freedom of speech? If not, perhaps we are better off being separated.

Protest - 2011-09-15 13:24

Please read up on the process leading up to genocide. This type of song is part of the desentizing of the aggressors.
Allow this hate-speech and it will lead to worse.
At the moment the ANC and the ANCYL is placing their claim that this song is of historical value above the dignity and safety of minority groups.
If everyone else is allowed to sing the hate-speech song and the judgement is only against Malema, that would amount to victimization of one individual.
Any songs calling for the killing of another ethnic group, be the words symbolic or literal is hate-speech. If there was a historical legacy of hate-speech, the hate-speech is still unjustifiable.

RainbowZombi - 2011-09-15 12:26

We used the "K" word in our anti terrorist stuggle before 1994. It is part of our culture Pierre. "This, in my opinion, constitutes a rather absurd and drastic infringement on the right to freedom of expression not warranted by the Equality Act - even given the broad provisions of that act." So think before you talk! We had to shut up so now they can to.

Heliac - 2011-09-15 12:27

De Vos, you are as predictable as the ANC cronies you try to protect. I was actually waiting for you to make your so-called "law expert" voice heard. Funny how you always support the far-right opinion.

Kgaogelo - 2011-09-15 12:36

Shut up!!!

Bardy - 2011-09-15 12:40

In my opinion we must immigrate Heliac! This country is going to HELL!

Heliac - 2011-09-15 12:42

Troll

Bardy - 2011-09-15 12:43

I am not going to waste another cent of my hard earned money to pay taxes to support a government who does not know how to run a country and wants to promote killing people!

Uthando - 2011-09-15 12:29

I thought the judges decision was always final, in this case, twice?
And how many 'unfair/wrong' rulings do/have judges made,in cases of rape, murder, robberies - that have left a distaste in the mouths of the victims or families of the victims?? Why dont they also get 'experts' to probe them?
It just has to be this old song (irrelevant now in this new(old) SA)that gets all this attention?? Where's the sense in that???
Why was this song not sung alllll this time since Mandela, and then here comes fatboy, and the song takes high priority??
What's the deal here SA/ANC?? Do we want to move forward or do we want to remain in the past.
I'm bitter with the ANC & all who've made it their personal mission to divide this once rainbow nation at all costs (taxpayers money)!

middelvinger - 2011-09-15 12:31

A ban on a song inciting people to kill specific people is "problematic"????.
How the f@k can any sane person in a civilized country have a problem with that???

Buffalo - 2011-09-15 13:24

Um, you used `sane' and `civilised' in a sentence with reference to the anc and to South Africa respectfully. Oxymorons, both.

Mlu - 2011-09-15 12:33

De Vos, Nelson Mandela and the wiser ANC of the 1990's prohibited the singing of the song after Peter Mokaba sang it at the Polokwane stadium because it is a divicive song. The divisiveness of the chant still remains. It is no freedom of speech to sing about killing another person.

sarecen - 2011-09-15 12:43

well said

The_Realist - 2011-09-15 12:45

i believe mokaba only started his racist chant in the early 1990's. No history or heritage @ all!

The_Realist - 2011-09-15 12:48

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mokaba

B-man123 - 2011-09-15 12:34

How is it possible that the right to freedom of expression of one racial denomination can trump the right to life of another. This militant racist has millions of followers, some of whom WILL take his uneducated ramblings seriously. Mr. de Vos, you need to apply further practical thought to the academic analysis you've provided.

czv - 2011-09-15 12:39

Dear Pierre de Vos,
Singing "shoot the boer" already makes a racial devide.
It is also a touchy subject with all the farm killings, and would surely offend people who have lost family.
If a song was sung 'kill the blacks'; 'kill the indians'; etc., that would also be seen as racist. And if a anyone sung a song like that I would hope they would be treated the same as someone singing "shoot the boer". Use some common sense. It's high time that we stop thinking in colour and rather see ourselves as South Africans!

czv - 2011-09-15 13:05

Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act, 2000 (4 of 2000)
Chapter 2 Prevention, Prohibition and Elimination of Unfair Discrimination, Hate Speech and Harassment
10. Prohibition of hate speech
1) Subject to the proviso in section 12, no person may publish, propagate, advocate or communicate words based on one or more of the prohibited grounds, against any person, that could reasonably be construed to demonstrate a clear intention to-
a)be hurtful;
b)be harmful or to incite harm;
c)promote or propagate hatred
Pierre, what don't you understand about this??

cgg1946 - 2011-09-15 13:38

Absolutely! Even were the ConCourt and Parliament to allow me to sing that or any similar song, I would not because it IS hurtful, harmful, and hateful as we've seen in these columns and the ruling. It is odious to sing it in our present context.

amabok - 2011-09-15 12:39

I'd be interested in hearing what De Vos believes constitutes hate speech. Calling for the killing of any individual, group or race is hate speech in my book "struggle" song or not.

Louis III - 2011-09-15 12:39

The standards for qualifying as an epxert have obviously been lowered.............a lot........

RainbowZombi - 2011-09-15 12:43

Pierre must be a cadre nomination for this position, it proves the constitutional law has been re-written to suite the majority rule and amended when it contridicts their culture or their wheeling and dealings.

Prof - 2011-09-15 12:44

Exactly what I have been telling my folks here on news24. That song is part of our Legacy. The judge was wrong. His ruling was wrong and he was only concentrating on Malema and not the song.

Die Baas - 2011-09-15 12:46

Pierre de Vos, you may be sorry that you are white; we are not.

Prof - 2011-09-15 13:18

Poor Baas. He is jst calling a spade a spade. That's a man and deserves to be in the parliament...

Is this chinese or portoguese???? Can u try to use English so we can all understand?

montecristo - 2011-09-15 12:48

De Vos = expert. x is an unknown quantity & spurt is a drip under pressure. What a moron, so lost in his intellectual stupor, he can't see sh1t for day.

adrian.berghoff - 2011-09-15 12:50

ANC must've bought this "expert"

pop101 - 2011-09-15 12:50

I freaken hope this case end up in International Court so the world can see what is going on here.

Plakkie - 2011-09-15 12:50

tick tick tick.. the time bomb ticks!!!!!

Twoplusthree - 2011-09-15 12:50

*expert* LMFGA

Ian - 2011-09-15 12:51

So could de Vos please explain the difference between what happened here and Darren Scott's case.

morena - 2011-09-15 12:54

lets hear what news24 law experts like simonp have to say, yes it might be wrong but is it no legally wrong

Johnny - 2011-09-15 12:56

I think de Vos is a lot less clever than de Vos thinks. He's always quoted as "the" expert, but I have my doubts. I suspect he just likes seeing his name in print. Perhaps de Vos should read sec 16(2)(c) of the Constitution before opening his big mouth.Judge Lamont gave a well reasoned judgment. De Vos's views are irrelevant.

At the very least Shoot the boer is inflammatory and threatening and on those grounds, it should not have a place in the new South Africa. History can be erased as demonstrated by the ANC, these historical anomolies should be left in the era in which they were applicable. Otherwise it is convenient inequality. Well done Lamont, shame on you de Vos.

Slimste - 2011-09-15 12:58

De Vos says everybody has the right to freedom of expression. The black race shouldn't be offended if I sing the "kill the k@@@@@@" song. This is exactly the same scenario!

Prof - 2011-09-15 13:21

Call urself Domste. U r wrong. try that and u will c what will happen to you.

InternetMan - 2011-09-15 13:29

*Palm securely attached to face*

Koko - 2011-09-15 12:59

that song had a meaning which ufortunately is being misunderstood by some, whether they are doingthat intentionaly or otherwise is irrelavant, how is any system going to stop those who will continue to sing it and that is what I'm interested to know, I do not they can (whoever they are ) hold us to ransom for long, I fully support the Sunrise clause now, we are definately in this mess because of the Sunset clause... Aluta continua.

Mlu - 2011-09-15 13:20

Lets take Ghana for instance. Ghana obtained independence in 1957. After independence, they continued with rhetoric similar to shoot the boer which about colonialism, instead of moving. It did not take long before investors left and the country was on its knees. Coups followed thereafter and its citizens ran to the diaspora including apartheid South Africa. Today, after 54 yrs, they are still trying to pick up their pieces but Ghana still remains poor. Botswana has been independent since 1966. It has been stable politically and has been growing its economy - there's no killing of the boers, colonialism is the thing of the past and there is peace and discipline. Moral of the dichotomy - if South Africans do not move on from the past and allow the likes of Malema to drag us back, we are bound to follow Ghana, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Senegal, Angola, Mozambique, the list is too long. Within no time, you will be in London looking for a better life and singing - "You know, South Africa was better during apartheid", whilst the so-called economic freedom fighters are plundering the country to its knees.

mokgosi - 2011-09-15 13:44

@ Mlu thank you for seeing reason,if anybody had earned the right to sing this song it's Dr Nelson Mandela however he instead says move on from hatred and anger, anybody born in 1980s had the same rights afforded to white people.
People who messed around and failed woodwork are looking for a scapegoat. The song has no relevance in our current society

mokgosi - 2011-09-15 13:46

@ Dubula you speak of war as though it's a game,tell me how many wars have you fought? talk is cheap my man if that had to happen trust me you would be the first to run

Trevor - 2011-09-15 12:59

de Vos...where did you buy your Matrix??? The freedom of speech is upheld UNTIL that freedom infringes on an INDIVUDIALS rights, say where I use the K word or even WORSE, threaten to kill a section of the population based on their race...Boet, think you trying to hard to gain brownie points with the ANC, go EARN you education...

Hennie - 2011-09-15 13:00

"This rather essentialistic and simplistic division of South Africans into different race groups could be viewed as problematic."
I find this quote interesting since almost every piece of legislation in this country as regards to employment, incentives etc. are drawn on exactly those same lines. And this doesn't seem to be so "problematic".

dubula - 2011-09-15 13:00

you enslave us you killed us you put us in prison you took our land we just want our land back that is why you dont like malema and Mugabe the land no matter we what the land must go back to africans

Servaas - 2011-09-15 13:02

Wow. We took your land??
LOL.. CRY BABY...

Costa - 2011-09-15 13:05

it was never your land numb nuts.read your history and see who was here first before you say its your land.unless you are from Khoisan bloodline shut your trap

pop101 - 2011-09-15 13:05

Troll.

Sammy - 2011-09-15 13:21

hmm how did I enslave you? If you mean the woman working @ my house then GTFO? As a matter of fact GTFO anyways! Sorry ass chomp!

Slimste - 2011-09-15 13:21

@dubula. The people/politicians you suspect that took your land is dead a very long time ago. How can you claim land from people who wasn't part of the apartheid policy making?

Foxglove - 2011-09-15 13:35

@ Costa... WELL SAID!!!!

Buffalo - 2011-09-15 13:39

Hey `shoot'. I was born in Zambia. My parents were born in Zambia. My grandparents on both sides were born in South Africa. My African progenitor was a Dutchman who landed in 1680. I am ninth generation African. Who are you? Do you even know the name of your father?

Cobus - 2011-09-15 13:05

Our ruling party should have shown leadership and intervened long before this matter was taken to court, by telling it's leaders, behind the scenes, that the time has passed for certain liberation songs to be sung in public. Nation building is what will save our country and not division. You cant reform a society with Court Orders and Laws. It has to come from the heart and mind of all the people. Hope the ruling party can come up with strong leadership, urgently, that will concentrate on Education, Investment and Employment, or our country will face serious problems.

InternetMan - 2011-09-15 13:32

Good point. JZ is the most slapgat leader ever.

iamasouthafr - 2011-09-15 13:05

De vos is one of those guys that if he ends up having an argument with a black colleague over drinks he will call him the K word. He is very clever in advertising himself. I am sure he will get plenty business from the ANC. Law expert, he is a marketing expert to.

UrMuZe - 2011-09-15 13:06

I cannot understand why we Boere dont just reply with our own song about struggling with the Malema's,let us all just sing "Bobbejaan klim die berg"

pop101 - 2011-09-15 13:16

Because that's is what they want us to do...that will allow them to take it to the next level.