He's one of the "Orton would've made it to the playoffs too" 7 percenters

Tony calling others dumb is just funny. Here is what he says after Tebow is 7-4 with a team that was 1-4 before he took over...

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Originally Posted by TonyR

I hate losing which is why I'm done with the Tebow experiment. He failed miserably the last two weeks. He came up really small on Sunday and got outplayed by Kyle Orton. Winning 7 of 8 got a lot of people thinking that Tebow played well but the reality is he never really played all that well other than some bursts here and there. That's not going to get it done in the NFL. You need your QB to be consistently good. I don't see any evidence that Tebow can be that guy. I was rooting for the kid too but reality has set in. You keep clinging to the mirage.

The winning QB is a failure because Tony likes winning. You can't make this stuff up...

You're too caught up in W/L. Go check out Peyton's Manning's W/L his rookie year. I bet some other rookies outperformed him in W/L that year, and certainly other years. So I guess that makes them superior to Manning in your world. Good to know.

Tony, one question. Would Kyle Orton have taken this team to the playoffs after starting 1-4?

You're too caught up in W/L. Go check out Peyton's Manning's W/L his rookie year. I bet some other rookies outperformed him in W/L that year, and certainly other years. So I guess that makes them superior to Manning in your world. Good to know.

What does Manning, or any QB, have to do with what I said? You are proving to be far too stupid for message boards again.

Dear god you're stupid. Where do you come up with this crap? I never even remotely suggested any such thing. Do I think Newton is "better"? Yes, I do. But to I get there using the ridiculous trail of "logic" you used above? Um, no. But I don't expect much understanding of this from a guy who's laughably stupid enough to think that half the GM's in the league would take Tebow over Newton as you've suggested. What a dope.

What's stupid is that you can't even understand the logic of your own argument.

Sagarin says Carolina is the better team.
Sagarin also says that Denver played better opponents.

Correct?

BTW: Prove that all GMs would take Newton. Derp. You asked a retarded question, and I gave you an answer to highlight how stupid it was.

What's stupid is that you can't even understand the logic of your own argument.

Sagarin says Carolina is the better team.
Sagarin also says that Denver played better opponents.

Correct?

Sigh. The Sagarin model rates Carolina slightly higher overall. The Sagarin model rates Denver's schedule as more difficult. What's so difficult to understand here? Like I already pointed out, SOS and W/L are not the only factors in the model.

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Originally Posted by Dedhed

BTW: Prove that all GMs would take Newton. Derp. You asked a retarded question, and I gave you an answer to highlight how stupid it was.

I can't prove it. But it's common sense to suggest that most NFL FO's would take Newton over Tebow. Newton was the #1 overall pick in the draft and he outperformed expectations. In his first pro game he went 24/37 422.

Ded, you can like Tebow better. That's fine. But most NFL FO's are smart enough to see that Newton is the better bet right now. It's really not even debatable.

Sigh. The Sagarin model rates Carolina slightly higher overall. The Sagarin model rates Denver's schedule as more difficult. What's so difficult to understand here? Like I already pointed out, SOS and W/L are not the only factors in the model.

I can't prove it. But it's common sense to suggest that most NFL FO's would take Newton over Tebow. Newton was the #1 overall pick in the draft and he outperformed expectations. In his first pro game he went 24/37 422.

Ded, you can like Tebow better. That's fine. But most NFL FO's are smart enough to see that Newton is the better bet right now. It's really not even debatable.

@ this guy thinking he knows what NFL front offices are thinking. I bet they would all take Newton over sixth round pick Tom Brady as well. He was drafted higher!

There's nothing difficult to understand other than the fact that you can't see what it says. Let's say you have a ford escort and a Porsche and you want to race them. Let's say the Escort wins. What would be the explanation?

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I can't prove it. But it's common sense to suggest that most NFL FO's would take Newton over Tebow. Newton was the #1 overall pick in the draft and he outperformed expectations. In his first pro game he went 24/37 422.

Ded, you can like Tebow better. That's fine. But most NFL FO's are smart enough to see that Newton is the better bet right now. It's really not even debatable.

See, to me, it's common sense that people would like to win more games. Clearly that's not what we're dealing with.

Sagarin has Denver's SOS as 10th and Carolina's as 28th, so you're right about that. But unfortunately your argument loses a little steam when you notice that Sagarin has Carolina ranked higher than Denver...

You knuckleheads do realize that the Sagarin model doesn't separate out the Orton games from the Tebow games, right? If you compared the two teams after Week 5, I'm guessing that Denver ranks higher than Carolina and their SOS drops below 10th since Cincinnati, Tennessee, and Green Bay get tossed out.

You knuckleheads do realize that the Sagarin model doesn't separate out the Orton games from the Tebow games, right? If you compared the two teams after Week 5, I'm guessing that Denver ranks higher than Carolina and their SOS drops below 10th since Cincinnati, Tennessee, and Green Bay get tossed out.

Like apparently to stop looking at "sagarin's models" afters of getting kicked around and laughed at for linking them as gospel.

Show me where I called Sagarin gospel. All I did was use it to help support somebody's comment that Denver had a better SOS, but that this doesn't by itself somehow make Denver the better team according to the model. What I did do is say that Sagarin is unbiased and includes multiple factors, unlike some people here who are saying Tebow is better than Newton just because the Broncos won more games than the Panthers.

You guys are over reacting. This isn't a criticism of Tebow. It's praise for Newton. The fact that I have 5 of the usual suspects attacking me for making the statement that Newton > Tebow is very telling. What's funny is that outside of Broncos fans and Tebow fans my opinion would easily be the majority opinion, and by a wide margin.