tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post6088095257118842149..comments2016-12-08T21:00:36.644-05:00Comments on Had Enough Indy ?: Mass Transit - At Least Respect the Taxpayers Enough To Show Us the NumbersHad Enough Indy?http://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-12061387150875668952013-01-28T10:04:53.158-05:002013-01-28T10:04:53.158-05:00They also claim they have an &#39;information camp...They also claim they have an &#39;information campaign&#39; going on - I&#39;d say its an old fashioned madison avenue PR campaign, as little to no information is being provided.<br /><br />The TIF district they intend to create along the rail corridor will suck up any economic development benefits that actually occur - plus any that would have happened anyway. Plus, if that TIF performs as poorly as most of our TIFs (and there is no reason to suspect otherwise) we just might see 15 square miles of current assessed value cannibalized by the TIF and removed from the common good - which pays for public safety and schools and the like.Had Enough Indy?http://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-18149755246495346812013-01-28T09:48:25.342-05:002013-01-28T09:48:25.342-05:00It appears that we will be inundated with pleas fo...It appears that we will be inundated with pleas for mass transit every day until November. In today&#39;s Star under conversations is another &quot;why we need mass transit&quot; article authored by the Central Indiana Regional Transportation Authority.<br /> In that article these claims are made; mass transit will provide an economic boost to the region, for every dollar invested in mass transit there will be a four to six dollar return and for every 10 million dollars invested there will be a 30 million dollar economic boost. Of course there aren&#39;t any references cited to bolster those claims but they also claim that this particular article is a public information campaign.<br /> But not to worry we are assured that the plan is in place once we approve the funding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-27658271382710183892013-01-27T22:22:41.953-05:002013-01-27T22:22:41.953-05:00I love Renn - but the circle of tax donors enlarge...I love Renn - but the circle of tax donors enlarges, while the circle of tax recipients stays the same. <br /><br />All Renn&#39;s graphs imply is that you have to gentrify downtown/center township for this to work. Its always just one more thing that we have to pay for. But, this time, poor people have to leave Center Township. This transportation plan does not accomplish that goal, nor should it.<br /><br />Central IN isn&#39;t growing, but is being tapped for tax revenues to try to get young urban professionals to live and work downtown. <br /> <br />Quick - name three young urban professional employers downtown?<br /><br />Too late. I spell it (sorry Aaron) an intergenerational Ponzi scheme.<br /><br />I could support this same tax increase for IndyGo alone. I recognize it is subsidizing the fare box, and I&#39;m okay with that. But to put all this money in the hands of unaccountable, regionally distributed &#39;bosses&#39; does not make sense to me. Nor does the absolute need for TIFing 15-16 square miles of Indy for 25 years to support one line to parts north.<br /><br />Andrea Neal&#39;s point about low density is important in this discussion. Either all of us are in this together, or some of us are being used. I don&#39;t see where the southside benefits one molecule, yet we will pay our taxes to the new, unaccountable, regional transportation authority.<br /><br />Nope - not getting my support for things as currently proposed.Had Enough Indy?http://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-87279524958862236472013-01-27T21:37:52.658-05:002013-01-27T21:37:52.658-05:00So in today&#39;s Star we see an article by Aaron ...So in today&#39;s Star we see an article by Aaron Renn touting mass transit as a necessary step to save Indianapolis&#39;s urban core. And yet in the same article he also states,&quot;the same auto-oriented product as the suburbs, but with higher taxes, don&#39;t expect many takers.&quot; Mr. Renn correctly notes that higher taxes are one of the main causes of job losses as well as population losses, adding billions more for mass transit doesn&#39;t fix that issue. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-43570751278509905022013-01-26T21:19:32.050-05:002013-01-26T21:19:32.050-05:00Yes, Anon 7:04,it is unseemly that our tax dollars...Yes, Anon 7:04,it is unseemly that our tax dollars are used to fool us.Had Enough Indy?http://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-54444839099190407612013-01-26T19:04:32.307-05:002013-01-26T19:04:32.307-05:00 If they can lie with impunity, and in this co... If they can lie with impunity, and in this county that is de rigeur, there is no reason to tell the truth. What is really galling about the mass transit pr bs is that the feds are funding the pr! Gotta love it, government pimping for the government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-25031584762145591462013-01-26T16:07:37.605-05:002013-01-26T16:07:37.605-05:00Anon 3:22 - I&#39;m not sure they are lying so muc...Anon 3:22 - I&#39;m not sure they are lying so much as keeping as much information from the public as they can.Had Enough Indy?http://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-43940383052015179692013-01-26T15:22:32.869-05:002013-01-26T15:22:32.869-05:00In short, they are lying and will continue to lie ...In short, they are lying and will continue to lie because they know they can get away with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-68158212868420885452013-01-26T11:26:09.751-05:002013-01-26T11:26:09.751-05:00Once again the public is being railroaded and even...Once again the public is being railroaded and eventually net traffic will be one way out.Pete Boggshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12948800585492289789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-30735270149318116282013-01-24T22:31:24.309-05:002013-01-24T22:31:24.309-05:00Anon 10:26 - would that not be wonderful? We &quo...Anon 10:26 - would that not be wonderful? We &quot;get&quot; the public input, just with a dishonest description of the actual question. They might just as well ask &quot;do you like the color blue?&quot;. Had Enough Indy?http://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-14007818921832566262013-01-24T22:26:50.266-05:002013-01-24T22:26:50.266-05:00Gary, I sure would like to understand how the 2% l...Gary, I sure would like to understand how the 2% limit is continuously ignored - LEGALLY. What a mess. But you are right, it&#39;s not just another muni corp, its a muni corp on steroids that has no accountability that can ignore limits, public sentiment, and fiscal responsibility with abandon.<br />Had Enough Indy?http://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-72622759052535417932013-01-24T22:20:10.537-05:002013-01-24T22:20:10.537-05:00Suppose the Legislature passed a bill, allowing a ...Suppose the Legislature passed a bill, allowing a referendum, and at the same time requiring that referendum to detail both the cost to the taxpayer, and the precise services to be provided? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-24681732618549134382013-01-24T21:49:57.717-05:002013-01-24T21:49:57.717-05:00The constitutional debt limit is skirted by creati...The constitutional debt limit is skirted by creating yet another distinct unit of government that won&#39;t count against the debt limit of either Marion or Hamilton.Gary R. Welshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15185079937305083438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-59557347464530139762013-01-24T18:42:41.372-05:002013-01-24T18:42:41.372-05:00Excellent points. Someone else recently used the ...Excellent points. Someone else recently used the analogy of how you cook a frog - put it in a pan of water and slowly raise the temperature. We&#39;re the frogs.Had Enough Indy?http://www.blogger.com/profile/09673791504434523246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1826828000189814347.post-13760196525255216002013-01-24T15:40:01.927-05:002013-01-24T15:40:01.927-05:00Pat, two points. One, they won&#39;t ever reveal ...Pat, two points. One, they won&#39;t ever reveal the true dollar cost because of taxpayer sticker shock. Two, considering that the total bond debt for Marion County is about 1 billion dollars will anyone consider the constitutional debt limit of 2% of assessed valuation or just ignore the debt limit when they add billions more of debt?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com