Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)

Because it pains me to see purported Liverpool fans defend a non-LFC player when he tried to cheat our boys.

Don't think there's any morality debate to worry about. Carroll cheated, luckily didn't influence the match, people called him on it, he tried to soften it using twitter, people see through his bull...end of story.

I disagree The guy hasn't said a single bad word about Liverpool since leaving nearly 2 years ago. That's counts for something in my eyes. He deserves better than to have his character ripped to shreds because of one incident. Hes not a liverpool player anymore owes us nothing. What he did on Sunday was no different to what he was doing for us for 18 months.And it's a double standard to say talk is cheap etc, because if he said anything negative about LFC this thread would be alive with people castigating him for being disrespectful. But we're not allowed to give him some credit for being respectful? He didn't want to cheat us anymore than Suarez wanted to cheat the ref when he screamed for pens and red cards. Both just wanted their team to win. Wasn't Andy Carroll's choice his team wasn't Liverpool remember

Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)

Don't know if you have had a chance to look back at the Flanno pen incident? In my opinion it's a 50/50, can see why it's given, but if given against you you're mad.

The ref cannot see the incident as Diame is obstructing his view. He should not give a pen as hence he can only be guessing.

At the moment of contact, ref makes no movement to indicate pen award (perhaps he's waiting to see if Danny scores.) At this exact moment Suarez turns to the ref, and strongly gesticulates he thinks it's a pen. Did this convince the ref? Did Suarez 'buy' that pen? Is that cheating?

I don't know if it's cheating, I don't particularly mind it but it's unsportsmanlike and many will say cheating because it's an attempt to win an unfair advantage. That's what Carroll did, he won an unfair advantage, and to many people he cheated.Is there a great degree of difference between the 2? If not the mock outrage at Carroll and lack of any comment on the antics of Luis is hypocrisy...debate

Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)

To be honest I didn't really get wound up by him the other day, he wasn't really good enough to stay here, he felt he had a point to prove and that's the type of player he is..We won the game.. Another 3 points for the champions elect

Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)

Don't know if you have had a chance to look back at the Flanno pen incident? In my opinion it's a 50/50, can see why it's given, but if given against you you're mad.

The ref cannot see the incident as Diame is obstructing his view. He should not give a pen as hence he can only be guessing.

This season we've had some luck with official's decisions, in previous seasons we have been consistently mugged and lost games in the same situation. The incident you speak of was not a split decision as you imply, that may have been the case if discussing ball contact but the fact is the 'keeper actually had a full grip of Flanagan's ankle, preventing him from continuing play, the ball was still available and at his feet, that describes a penalty moreso in the penalty area.

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At the moment of contact, ref makes no movement to indicate pen award (perhaps he's waiting to see if Danny scores.) At this exact moment Suarez turns to the ref, and strongly gesticulates he thinks it's a pen. Did this convince the ref? Did Suarez 'buy' that pen? Is that cheating?

Suarez was claiming only the result of what transpired ie the player was brought down unfairly. How is that cheating?

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I don't know if it's cheating, I don't particularly mind it but it's unsportsmanlike and many will say cheating because it's an attempt to win an unfair advantage. That's what Carroll did, he won an unfair advantage, and to many people he cheated.Is there a great degree of difference between the 2? If not the mock outrage at Carroll and lack of any comment on the antics of Luis is hypocrisy...debate

Such contact with a goalkeeper is a penalty all day and if the ref had a clear view it would have been given, to make a comparison with Suarez claiming for a legitimate call is not acceptable, Luis has been demonised in the past for simply claiming legitimate fouls missed by the ref, as we know he is a target for the less skilled who have no answer to his brilliance; consequently their only answer is foul him.Manager's of the less skilled players try to gain an advantage by bad mouthing Luis; any which way to block competition.

Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)

I don't know if it's cheating, I don't particularly mind it but it's unsportsmanlike and many will say cheating because it's an attempt to win an unfair advantage. That's what Carroll did, he won an unfair advantage, and to many people he cheated.Is there a great degree of difference between the 2? If not the mock outrage at Carroll and lack of any comment on the antics of Luis is hypocrisy...debate

The last player I remembered asking a ref not to book the keeper for bringing him down was a Liverpool player. These are the values which we embrace and which the club is founded on. Win games fair and square. Carroll's act is what we condemn. Nowhere near the ball and resorts to using his hands. Glad we got rid of him.

Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)

If it helps, "c**t" was meant in the unprofessional, match-selecting way.

Quite understandable and a c**t is certainly on a sticky wicket with regard to selection. Some would say of course a sticky c**t is an entirely different proposition when one is presented with the option.

Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)

I always liked Andy when he was here. Admittedly he was never a £35million pound player, and wasn't a suitable partner for Suarez, but if he had partnered Sturridge instead I think it would have worked better.... obviously not in the same league as the SAS partnership.

I don't see what he has done that was so wrong? He fouled Mignolet... that's what forwards do. For me it is the ref that got it badly wrong not Andy. Skrtel grabs players in the box, throws people to the floor etc etc .... is he a c**t?

It is not Andy's fault we paid £35million for him, it is not Andy's fault that we only got £17million for him. He is doing the best he can for West Ham and has probably found his level there with Fat Sam.

C**t of a manager... but Andy is not a c**t of a player.... although if his header had gone in rather than hitting the bar, I may have changed my mind

Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)

I disliked him as a player and differently to some here, I don't think the work rate and effort was there for most of the time. Yes, near the end of his career with us he showed great desire but it was too little, too late. I hated his body language and still do. Cockiness with little talent only makes him look like a deluded tw*t that will only be a mid-table player for the rest of his career. I'm glad he's gone.

Re: Andy Carroll (Liverpool > West Ham Utd)

I disliked him as a player and differently to some here, I don't think the work rate and effort was there for most of the time. Yes, near the end of his career with us he showed great desire but it was too little, too late. I hated his body language and still do. Cockiness with little talent only makes him look like a deluded tw*t that will only be a mid-table player for the rest of his career. I'm glad he's gone.

Gave up on the guy after he left the field in a flurry of swear words directed at Kenny Dalglish while holding back the tears. Made a complete fool of himself and the whole team. Appalling attitude that went alongside, as you noted, his lack of effort. How many times was he f**king about in the centre circle while Liverpool tried attacking. It was desperate stuff and he summed up our season two years ago just perfectly. Lumbering fool.