Great data, but incomplete - what if the Sox go 4-4 but drop 3 to the Yankees, and the Rays go 8-2?Posted by slomag

Thanks I thought I was missing one senerio good catch. Basically if the Sox play .500 ball losing all three to the Yanks and the Rays go 8-2 in their final 10winning 5 of 7, 6 of 7 or 7 of 7 from the Yanks were out...

Great data bean, I still believe the Sox will get in. This team really does remind me of 07 when we struggled much like we are now, got to the playoffs, barely beat the Indians then brought in the kid to replace Coco.

Bean, I posted this on the other post, but it bears repeating. Not sure I agree with your numbers because it depends on who the wins/losses are versus. Right now Yanks are 92-60, Sox 88-66 and Rays are 85-67, If the Sox win 3 against Balt and 2 gainst the yanks and go 5-3, they end up 93-69. Since the Yanks lost 2 to the Sox they won 1, so if they go 1-6 versus the rays, they end up 94-68, since the rays won 6 against the Yanks, if they win all 3 in Toronto, they end up 94-68, so thats an example of the Sox going 5-3 and not making the playoffs. AND even if they won all 5 vs Baltimore and 1 in NY and go 6-2, they end up 94-68 and since the yanks won 2 against us, if they win 1 vs tampa, they end up 95-67 and since Tampa won 6 vs NY if they win the 3 in Tor, they go 9-1 and end up 94-68 and we have a one game playoff. Not as Rosy a picture. Correct me if I misssing something

In Response to Re: Here's a little math with AL East Playoff permutations...It's ain't over til... : Damon said yesterday that the Rays plan on knocking out both the Sox and the Yankees. Let's hope the Yankees nail them.Posted by DirtDawgSox

Damon should learn from Shefields remark in 04 after going up three games on the Sox. Calling our team want to be's, The Yankees should be quite motivated by this.

Bean, I posted this on the other post, but it bears repeating. Not sure I agree with your numbers because it depends on who the wins/losses are versus. Right now Yanks are 92-60, Sox 88-66 and Rays are 85-67, If the Sox win 3 against Balt and 2 gainst the yanks and go 5-3, they end up 93-69. Since the Yanks lost 2 to the Sox they won 1, so if they go 1-6 versus the rays, they end up 94-68, since the rays won 6 against the Yanks, if they win all 3 in Toronto, they end up 94-68, so thats an example of the Sox going 5-3 and not making the playoffs. AND even if they won all 5 vs Baltimore and 1 in NY and go 6-2, they end up 94-68 and since the yanks won 2 against us, if they win 1 vs tampa, they end up 95-67 and since Tampa won 6 vs NY if they win the 3 in Tor, they go 9-1 and end up 94-68 and we have a one game playoff. Not as Rosy a picture. Correct me if I misssing somethingPosted by tomnev

Tom,

I think we both have it covered and your numbers above are correct. In the end the best case for us is to beat the O's and root for the Yanks to beat the Rays. That appears to be the best formula, basically the conclusion I arrived at in doing the math...

In Response to Re: Here's a little math with AL East Playoff permutations...It's ain't over til... : Damon said yesterday that the Rays plan on knocking out both the Sox and the Yankees. Let's hope the Yankees nail them.Posted by DirtDawgSox

I don't think that's mathematically possible, but Damon was never a MENSA spokesman. The Yankees are holding Sabathia back for the Sox series - probably to set up his first post-season start, so the Rays will be facing Nova, Colon and two TBDs. A Rays sweep is not out of the question. It would sure make for a fun end to the season.

In Response to Re: Here's a little math with AL East Playoff permutations...It's ain't over til... : I don't think that's mathematically possible, but Damon was never a MENSA spokesman. The Yankees are holding Sabathia back for the Sox series - probably to set up his first post-season start, so the Rays will be facing Nova, Colon and two TBDs. A Rays sweep is not out of the question. It would sure make for a fun end to the season.Posted by slomag

That may be the case (skipping Sabathia) end of the day begining tonight the next four games will tell the tale...My guess is that Girardi will manage with an eye on taking the Rays out of the mix until they clinch the division. Then it's be about setting things up for the post season but still if he has a chance to elimanate the Rays...I doubt he'll run out anyone other than MO to close out games...

Bean, Agreed....your initial point was right on...if we dont take care of business with the O's, all the math is moot.Posted by tomnev

Amen to your comment !!!

I say forget about conjecturing whom we wish to dominate/sweep etc. when the Yankees & Rays play eachother. Let's just concern ourselves with winning our next 2 games for sure vs the Orioles---the way we've been playing, nothing is a slam dunk ! I recall when we lost 5 in a row earlier in the month and then beat Toronto 18-6 on Sept 13, and many comments were we had turned it around, no more hitting funk, plenty of clutch hits etc. and then we lost 5 out of 6 before we got the 18 runs again yesterday. We have been an up and down streaky team with more of the streaks going down lately.

Again, win the next 2 as if they are must wins and then we can hope, wish, conjecture etc. that we can keep up our good record against the Yankees. They are going to want to pitch Sabathia against us 1 game because prior to his last victory over us which he did not dominate, we had beaten him 4 in a row and they'd like him to have some confidence when we meet eachother in the playoffs.

They'll like to pitch AJ Burnett too who had been floundering & beat us but didn't dominate so they'd like to get his confidence up too. It'd be nice to beat both those guys in the next series. I recall they didn't dominate &, I believe, we could have won both games but, as has happened to us a lot in Sept., we couldn't get the clutch hits !

In Response to Re: Here's a little math with AL East Playoff permutations...It's ain't over til... : Amen to your comment !!! I say forget about conjecturing whom we wish to dominate/sweep etc. when the Yankees & Rays play eachother. Let's just concern ourselves with winning our next 2 games for sure vs the Orioles---the way we've been playing, nothing is a slam dunk ! I recall when we lost 5 in a row earlier in the month and then beat Toronto 18-6 on Sept 13, and many comments were we had turned it around, no more hitting funk, plenty of clutch hits etc. and then we lost 5 out of 6 before we got the 18 runs again yesterday. We have been an up and down streaky team with more of the streaks going down lately. Again, win the next 2 as if they are must wins and then we can hope, wish, conjecture etc. that we can keep up our good record against the Yankees. They are going to want to pitch Sabathia against us 1 game because prior to his last victory over us which he did not dominate, we had beaten him 4 in a row and they'd like him to have some confidence when we meet eachother in the playoffs. They'll like to pitch AJ Burnett too who had been floundering & beat us but didn't dominate so they'd like to get his confidence up too. It'd be nice to beat both those guys in the next series. I recall they didn't dominate &, I believe, we could have won both games but, as has happened to us a lot in Sept., we couldn't get the clutch hits !Posted by mandobello

One game at a time...1st pitch is moments away and we'll soon know where we stand heading into to tomorrow!