TOKYO, June 4 (Reuters) - Asian shares tumbled on Monday, pushing the broader Tokyo market to a 28-year low, as investors extended a rout of global stocks and worried about a nightmare scenario of euro-zone breakup, U.S. economic relapse and a sharp slowdown in China.

Tokyo's broader Topix index lost 2.1 percent to 693.35, a level not seen since late 1983, as Asian markets plumbed new lows for 2012. Japan's Nikkei average fell 2 percent after last week marking its ninth straight week of losses, the longest such losing streak run in 20 years.

I know there are far more factors involved, but I’d love to see the cost to the world economy added up of all the feelgood environmental/global lying..er...warming crap tallied and publically thrown in the faces of every current world leader/govt and the UN.

Imagine how much better the entire planet would be doing economically, standard of living et all, had people never allowed the wholesale rape of the extraction industries to happen.

Right now, not that I’m advocating this however, had America maintained it’s oil/logging/mining and manufacturing base as we had it before the greens were empowered, we could singlehandedly bail out most of Europe.

Then again, Europe would not be in this particular mess to begin with. Think about all their govt jobs. Why do they exist? In part, it’s because people otherwise would be unemployed. There are not enough jobs in Greece ect to support the populations. Why? Because industries that traditionally require a lot of manpower are regulated out of existence or massively hindered. Now, an entire generation has come and gone on the dole. The youth never knew a world where work carried reward. So they expect their entitlements.

I know. There’s more to it. But people need to learn and understand just how great the impact of rabid environmentalism is. Almost if not every economic problem today traces back to regulations with environmental connections. It frustrates the hell out of me that people ignore the root causes of the problem...Regulation over green concerns and social engineering.

Hitler started getting out of the Depression by invading other countries and developing their natural resources.

All we would need to do is invade the EPA, BLM, Forest Service, etc. offices and develop our own natural resources. Seriously. Roll back some of the restrictions, even put a 10-year period on them or something if we had to, but get us back up and running.

This is one of the reasons I left the Republican party. They refuse to reign in the BLM/Interior/EPA ect. They could have done it at almost any point. Defund them. Simple. But they won’t.

The number of jobs lost in the Pacific NW and northern states over owls and fish is staggering. That cost also includes an increase in building materials...snow ball effect. In Apalachia it’s coal. In Colorado it’s mining.
And all the land closed into national parks that are then closed to motorized vehicles which are then closed to mechanized transport which are then closed to hiking...

How many people did that put out of work, from tourism jobs to the manufacturing base to support it all?

And Oil... It’s insane. People think “Price of gas”. But that’s the least of the problem. Important of course, but all the things we use requiring petroleum... So few people think.

Can you imagine Social Security being part of the Stock Market? That is why I am glad that they have not put our Social Security in the stock market. It is bad enough the retirement plans are connected. Having everything in one pot is not a good idea in my opinion. 401K’s could end up at zero and people will have to live on their small Social Security but at least they will have that.

After Friday's selloff and breaking the 200 day moving average, I thought Monday morning would open sharply lower. However, the futures are modestly positive and the talking heads are spinning a possible bailout of Spain and a proposal for a EU centralized fiscal authority.

...the futures are modestly positive and the talking heads are spinning...

Gee, how comforted I feel.

Almost makes me want to rush down and have our broker help us set fire to another pile of dead presidents.....except that we've been totally out of the market since '07 and the only time I see that broker is our weekly golf game.

No, he's down to me at that, too.

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posted on 06/04/2012 5:53:13 AM PDT
by Unrepentant VN Vet
((228 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)

Excellent question, Michael. During the Hoover administration, we kept bailing out the European banks until we collapsed. This isn’t really an old-style depression yet, but it could get even worse if our ‘wise’ leaders ignore history. During the Great Depression, most people expected economic collapse and were braced for it. They knew how to farm, to work on machinery, keep durable clothes, etc. Our Chinese junk would fall apart in two years.

[I’ll come back with the history just mentioned, bailing out Europe prior to Great Depression.]

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posted on 06/04/2012 5:54:11 AM PDT
by Arthur Wildfire! March
(George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)

I agree to a point. However, it seems as though companies would unite together and sue the EPA. There is no way the EPA could stand as a constitutional entity.. therefore it’s powers to make laws would be declared zero. Company, after company stand by and do nothing. This tells me something else is going on. Somehow, despite all the rhetoric, there must be some benefit. No other explanation works. Companies could ignite a legal firestorm from hades if they wanted to, but obviously, they do not. The GOP left us.

Probably fear of Audits/IRS and any of a thousand ways the govt could put the hurt on them for ‘defying’ their ah-thor-i-tay. But you are right. They ought to class action it and sue. The EPA should stand for “Exceed Power Always” because it fits them to a T. They don’t protect the environment or anything but themselves/Democrat interest groups.

“The years 1924-1929 are rendered as the years of stabilization [for Weimar Germany] and stagnation in the German economy. Stabilization occurred, in part, as a result of German banks borrowing money from American banks, and the willingess of American banks to lend this money.”

The German economys recovery after the inflation of 1923 had been financed by loans from the United States. Many of these short term loans had been used to finance capital projects such as road building. State governments financed their activities with the help of these loans.

German interest rates were high, and capital flowed in. Large firms borrowed money and depended heavily on American loans. German banks took out American loans to invest in German businesses. The German economic recovery was based on shaky foundations.

The Wall Street Crash

The German economy was in decline prior to the Wall Street Crash. There was no growth in German industrial production in 1928-9 and unemployment rose to two and a half million.

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posted on 06/04/2012 6:31:23 AM PDT
by Arthur Wildfire! March
(George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)

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