Friday, September 09, 2016

There are a few who are viewing this appearance as Milo's attempt to redefine the Alt-Right. They are completely missing the point. This is a masterclass on how to work the mainstream media. Never forget that dealing with the media is an intrinsically rhetorical exercise, NOT a dialectic one. One does not define anything, much less a broad-spectrum political perspective, in a few minutes on live television.

There is a time and place for precision and dialectic. Appearing in front of a three-man discredit-and-disqualify panel on CNBC is not one of them.

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Precisely. In strategic terms, the enemies of the alt-right are trying to smother it in its cradle. Milo's work gives the alt-right breathing room to grow. He's not alt-right, but he's doing an amazing job of running interference for it.

Wow. Milo is a virtuoso. I had no idea. He dodges their barbs with the speed of a tap dancer and the grace of a ballerina.

Also, look how triggered those three snakes are, especially the one on the right. You can just see the venom glands pulsating. They're probing desperately for an opening, while Milo gaily dances just out of reach. This is a Master class lesson in handling hostile media, and no mistake.

When you say white identity Inthink, well, I'm really Irish and English. But when you say Western Civilization I get very sentimental. When you point out that white genetics of The West I can accept it on an intellectual level. But then I'm reflexively back to my Irish English identity. Am I American? I'd prefer to think so. But I'm the experts say that Whiteness needs to be destroyed, it seems no one cares that I'm English or Irish - just a target or an obstacle. So it becomes an arms race. Identity Trump's ideology. I don't like it, but there's no way forward that also saves the values I support, namely, those that constitute The West.

Lord knows I'm no fan of Milo. I support him because he fights. He's fearless in a way that so few are in political discourse. He owned CNBC and particularly the fat virtue signaller on the left (no idea who he is)

The Twitter stuff was good. But what really is behind the Twitter drop off is probably what I heard from my kids the other day: "Twitter is for old people." Without the support of the youth, Twitter is just another AOL on a downward slide.

I love the total lack of reaction from the Media folks about 1400 girls being raped in the UK. I guess rape is only a problem when it's done by White males. Arabs or Black guys raping White girls, totally fine.

@22 Prospective footsoldiers probably aren't getting their information from CNBC. This will primarily influence those who only get news from TV and/or Facebook, and it's almost certain to give them a more favorable impression of the alt-right.

The black haired crone on the right is a long time Hillary supporter, the oaf on the left is one of the token Old White Guy boomers who gladhands well but isn't very bright, and the Asian in the middle is Melissa Lee or Li, who is the smartest of the three and would be fun to hang with in some lower Manhattan bar.

@19 exactly, the Hillary crone on the right seems to have gone frozen-faced at the mention of Rotherham, probably cognitive dissonance ("rape culture! Bad! Wait, BROWN men? Good!"), the oaf was silent as was Melissa.

tl;dr Milo tooled them completely, and proved why he's a great ally: Milo can say things and get away with them because of his flamboyant fagness. Look at how he totally vaporized the Ghostbusters ploy; "I said she looked like one of my boyfriends...which she does", there's no retort or escalation in the standard left/feminist playbook for that, because he has "gay immunity" from any criticism.

I pity homosexuals, for their practice takes them further from God. I pray for Milo to convert and repent, but...not quite yet, please. More appearances like this one, first.

@4 Yes! and I dropped a video link in Cernovich's comments for that speech. The leaders on the sides of the podium looked bored to tears and didn't applaud much. Truly the spirit of Harambe has passed on from Hillary.

And dig the body language and facial expressions of that CNBC death panel. You can feel the hate.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Lord knows I'm no fan of Milo. I support him because he fights. He's fearless in a way that so few are in political discourse.

He owned CNBC and particularly the fat virtue signaller on the left (no idea who he is)Another interesting aside. While in California on vacation, I remarked to my 14 year old son when I saw a shitlord walking by possessively claiming a hot chick with his arm around her neck, with a t-shirt that said "#FeminismIsCancer. I pointed it out to my son and chuckled; but my son immediately said, "Ha! He reads Milo!"

I've never told my son about Milo.

This is what I keep telling the conservative doomsayers of my acquaintance; the alt-right is only alternate in the sense that they don't have the legitimacy of the soi-disant experts who claim to be able to bestow that kind of legitimacy. It's not alternative in the sense that it's merely a fringe, or that people aren't waking up with a big fat red pill in their mouth in vast hordes every day.

+1 agree to all the constructive commenters above.Vox Day's rule need a minor revision. Never talk to the media- unless you are Milo. That was just astonishing. He looks like a movie star, great on-camera presence. He shut down the SJW crone on her first surprise attack ('wait- what do you mean by American?') and she never recovered her footing. He was so fast. And fun!

Jason wrote:I'll have to disagree in a HUGE way. (((Milo))) is co opting. This is (((entryism))) through and through.

Milo NEVER claims to be of the alt-Right. He explicitly states that he is a journalist attempting to explain the alt-Right honestly.You may disagree with his explanation but that is neither co-option nor entryism.

Spartacus xxxxx wrote:Next he'll be usurping the King's throne.He didn't know it was the king's throne, what with the king being secret and all.

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:A new blood fluke has been discovered in the far East and named after Obama. Don't ask questions, just read the article all the way to the last COUGH line.Hmm. Could it be we were wrong about Hillary being a lizard queen? Perhaps she's actually a turtle and a primary vector for a new parasite?

Jason wrote:I'll have to disagree in a HUGE way. (((Milo))) is co opting. This is (((entryism))) through and through.Does the alt-right care if Milo co-opts conservatives? I suppose he might thwart their plans to... wait, what was it conservatives do again?

"Milo NEVER claims to be of the alt-Right. He explicitly states that he is a journalist attempting to explain the alt-Right honestly.You may disagree with his explanation but that is neither co-option nor entryism."

Not an argument.

He tells people that the Alt-Right believes in equality. The concept of equality, to the Alt-Right, is cancer.The people who are suspicious of Milo believe he is deliberately (or instinctively because Jew) muddying the waters so that large numbers of people who are fundamentally opposed to one of the core values of the mob calling itself Alt-Right, start calling themselves Alt-Right.

An excellent primer on how to present a case for the Alt-Right to some very blue-pilled individuals. You could see in their faces that Milo's disarmingly charming explanations forced them to confront some very real and unpleasant truths.

dc.sunsets wrote:I've never seen a man speak so rapidly. The disqualify brigade couldn't think fast enough to get a word in edgewise.

Right. He stayed within their OODA loop the entire time, even with three against one. Most of it was well practiced but he can also pivot in milliseconds. He has created an unmistakable brand. It will be fun! to see if other TV outlets care to have their viewership numbers rise.

6:22 into the video, I found it hilarious that Cucky McGee on the left, hunched over from defeat after his fireteam launched a salvo of rhetorical shells of which not one hit its target, desperately fired off his last round knowing that he would probably miss, but was running out of time and had no choice but to take the shot.

Breitbart - and Milo Y. - in particular, always struck me as Rightist Libertarians, whose philisophical/ideological guiding lights as it were are men like Rothbard and (more timely and relevant perhaps) Hans Hermann-Hoppe. The criticism levied at Milo reminds me the barbs that were directed at Justin Raimondo some years ago by WNs and PaleoCons who were concerned that the Anti-War movement was being co-opted by social liberals, moral deviants, ideologically unsound interlopers etc.

Its improper I believe to speak of the ''Alternative Right'' being hijacked or appropriated simply because its not a political party or unitary social movement or ideological platform. The first time I heard the term coined was when Richard Spencer launched his blog and print zine (the former being titled ''Alternative Right'') - within the pages of which Spencer ran pieces by all kinds of thinkers, from Jewish Paleocons like Paul Gottfried, to National Socialists who cut their ideological teeth within organizations like the 'political soldier faction' of the British National Front such as Kerry Bolton.

The only other purposefully devised, working definition of the ''altright'' that I've come across was in Hoppe's seminal critique of Liberal Democracy, in which he distinguished people like himself (Nationalist/Right Libertarians) from Conservatives, Paleos, WNs, Fascists/NS accolytes and (racialists such as Sam Francis) whom he referred to as 'Social Nationalists'.

The point is I suppose that the Alternative Right can't be ''co-opted'' or subverted because by definition its not a political tendency in itself - its a term that describes an oppositional penumbra of myriad and varied ideologies of the Right that zealously oppose System/Regime power including (and perhaps especially) Conservatism.

Sun Xhu wrote:Milo has already done more for the alt-right, and western civilization as a whole, than you will ever do.

Easy. Yes Milo usurped the King's throne and Jason can too.

Assyrian Nationalist wrote:6:22 into the video, I found it hilarious that Cucky McGee on the left, hunched over from defeat after his fireteam launched a salvo of rhetorical shells of which not one hit its target, desperately fired off his last round knowing that he would probably miss, but was running out of time and had no choice but to take the shot.

And then he hides his face from the camera as Milo wrecks him with body language, exaggerated eye roll, and counter rhetoric- "Oh God I'm so bored about hearing it...". Priceless.

The catwoman on the right was so hate filled she was barely keeping it together till the end. Think she was more pissed about the optics and getting owned than she was about what he was actually saying.

You're exactly right, Vox. Your "No Enemies to the Right" rule helps us see that different tactics, on different arenas, will win this war.

I can easily imagine a college-aged liberal son watching the clip with his Hillary-supporting mother. As soon as Milo mentioned "Rotherham" and "1400 girls raped", he secretly Googled one of those terms, and saw Milo was telling the truth.

That's the first tplace me I've seen him in action. My immediate thoughts:- waaaaaay camp- flamboyant- sharp- he spanked them like little bitches every time they came in range- got his points across masterfully. - did I mention sharp? sharp enough to split atoms.

Looking over some of the comments here it bears repeating as well that its not Racialists/WNs/Nationalists/NS people who've a history of 'blacklisting' or banishing or otherwise sabotaging dissident coalitions of the Right - such that any such formations have existed - in history. First off, we've never had the power vested in us to establish the tenor or oppositional discourse; and secondly, its always been ''moderate'' elements within the dissident Right (Paleos, Libertarians, civic Nationalists, Religious elements who prioritize faith over racialist concerns etc.) who've set about to purge ''disreputable'', ''extremist'' and racialist elements from the ranks.

Buckley disqualified 'anti-Semites' from participation on grounds that they lacked respectability, Klanner types declared that Yockey and H Keith Thompson and Otto Remer (and their allies in the NRP, James Madole et. al.) were 'communist sympathizers' because they refused to support the Cold War. In Europe these days, people like Wilders claim that GRECE theorists like De Benoist are soft on 'terrorism' because they recognize that constructive engagements with Moslems is important as the latter are and remain engaged in direct combat with the traditional Enemy of our race.

Not to belabor the point - but it does come off as a bit absurd when Right Wingers of any stripe claim that Racialists are sabotaging the enterprise because we're precluding the possibility of tactical coalition building.

Lmao, what a devastating argument. I made an account to try to bring up a (((fucking important issue))) and because I made it, you totally proved me wrong, right???

(((Milo))) is NOT our friend. Just because I'm a lurker who doesn't usually comment (and totally irrelevant "arguments" like yours against me not burying my head in the sand like a good like goy) -- doesn't change the fact that (((Milo))) and (((Breitbart))) are badly harming the entire point of what we believe in. This is a man who endorses reparations, believes in JUST "western civilization" because of its "(((values)))" and who promotes the idea that darker races are more sexually attractive and masculine. Yup, I'll just stick my head in the sand like a good goy because Milo Schlomopollos is sooooo funny. Just like Sarah Silverman and Adam Sandler, omg let's laugh at the shiny funny jokes while the movement is co-opted.

Koko the gorilla on the afterlife: "Comfortable hole, bye."Anchorwomyn formida-bullditz to (((homo))): "Are you the Alt Right?"Male model Hansel to Macintosh: "The files are in the computer."Planted basic-ditz to Trump: "I don't think that you're a friend to woman. How what it."

Miles of random cock, champion credentialism, ruthless famewhoring, an empty womb, a face like leather, and million-dollar gravitas coaching, are all that separate the former ditz from the latter. Gorilla suffrage now.

@26:Milo is not OF the AltRight; he is one of the AltRight's weapons.So true. Somehow, this is the first time I've heard Milo speak. And, in a lions den. Fascinating and fabulous. He ended up the Lion; they were his prey. He's smooth and that accent! Thank God above he's on our side.

I really disagree. Yeah, he's doing a great job promoting a bleached, de-fanged, JQ-free version of the alt-right. Let's just reduce immigration a bit, build a wall, and promote western (((values!))) that'll work!

The JQ is what matters. If we take our eyes off it to laugh at an admittedly entertaining distraction, then we're just reduced to "a bunch of twitter trolls lolzz!" which means that, yup, we're just clowning around.

"Or maybe, just MAYBE, you want us to disassociate ourselves from Milo for other reasons."

Take that tinfoil off. Milo-skepticism comes from four things:1) Jew2) Gay3) Promotes race-mixing to white women4) A history, ever since that Breitbart article, of saying that the edgy side of the Alt-Right isn't serious, and those who are serious are a lunatic fringe that can be dismissed.

The controversy is on Point 4 and whether it should be interpreted as punching right, or alt-right taqiyya. Those who believe it is the former suspect that because he is a gay Jew race-mixer, he is uncomfortable with a movement that has a substantial faction that views gays, Jews, and race-mixing as poison, so he minimizes it.

Hell if I know what he thinks about anything, but "don't like Milo? Must be a plant!" is not an argument.

"To people getting upset about the "democracy, capitalism, equality" stuff, look at it this way: Milo lied and got away with it."

That's the other side, yeah. I mean, he HAS to know how not alt-right that stuff is. If it turns out he was deliberately misleading people into thinking they're alt-right because he knew the real alt-right would resist forcefully enough to assimilate many of the newcomers while maintaining its integrity, I will laugh my head off at his perverted genius.

He still needs to get back in the closet and stop selling "Big Black Cock" T-shirts to white women though. That is non-negotiable.

It never ceases to amaze how many are wont to complain about what Milo should or should not be doing. It's especially amusing, since Milo's the one actually out there in the arena, as opposed to the critics who are unable to remove their collective asses from the bleachers and do it better than he.

MILO really should have hit off about Orlando PUSLE, and the black moslem serial killer of gays in 3 states Ali Mohamad Brown. A wetback lesbian activist interviewed about PULSE had more vitriol for the hospital that saved peoples lives than for the afghani moslem who shot them.

I haven't watched Milo live often, is he always that stereotypical in his gay or was he hamming it up a bit?

All gays queen out more when they are away from their home town. He probably acts gayer in a Piggly Wiggly than a London gay bar.

JASON

You are new here, we have no way of knowing if you sucked more cock than MILO while being on Soros' payroll. We are not taking our eyes off the JQ. MILO knows he would be better off with skinheads in power than Moslems

You could hear the eighteen quotation marks the woman in the middle put around Milo's words when she scoffed in your version of a "“"more fun world"“". These people are the oblivious new puritans, who don't even realize that they suck the fun out of everything like an industrial vacuum.

Jeff Deist is a much better representative for the Alt-Right. Technically, Deist is a Libertarian. But he's made it very obvious that he views the Alt-Right as a very positive step forward. All of the following video is worth watching, but his discussion of the Alt-Right begins at the 17:30 mark.

Bottom line: The Alt-Right will never be mainstream as long as the people who would make it mainstream are being exposed to the Alt-Right by a homosexual who constant proclaims his fetish for black cock.

We can debate it until the end of time, but that's the reality of the matter.

I bet Jason would be against TRUMP setting up a live game show after he is elected to deal with the death penalty backlog and illegals whose nations won't take them back named "Don't Garrote Fewer Felons Than A Faggot"

@76-The no enemies to the right formula means no enemies to the right of you, or your movement. It doesn't mean no enemies on the right side of the political spectrum, as defined by wherever the center has been arbitrarily set down that day. This is why how the left could be taken over by communist madmen. Stalinists had no compunction about sneaking into the beds of and burying ice axes in the skulls of Trotskyites. Nazis and commies fought like cats and dogs, even though they were both to the left of everyone else.

Milo is to the left of most alt-righters, safe to say. So it wouldn't be violating the no enemies to the right thing. Which isn't to say he should be attacked. On the contrary, aside from Trump he might be the most useful public figure to the alt-right, though neither are actual alt-righters.

Case wrote:But Milo is a very serious deterrent to the Alt-Right ever getting beyond 4chan.And your proposal is... Jeff Deist? Some guy that nobody's heard of unless they're von Mises policy wonks, who doesn't go in CNBC eviscerating political correctness for all the world to see.

Your argument would make more sense if Milo were trying to co-opt the movement, which he isn't. There's no entryism going on, because he's not trying to enter us. (He's trying to be entered. By black bucks.)

I will entertain the idea that he's attempting to pre-empt the movement, or guide it from the outside in his preferred direction.

A lot of insecurity from the Stormfronters, Milo has none or he hides it well. The Stormfronters have to grow up, it is simply Troll or be Trolled, not just screaming "niggerkikingspic" like a magic chant or something and expecting white world and torchlight parades.

Look, this isn't that hard. Milo defangs the opposition to the alt-right because of who he is and how he operates. All these folks with their panties in a twist about being "represented" by Milo have not shown as of yet that he can do what he does. Once they are able to master rhetoric themselves, then they can bypass or ignore or do whatever to Milo. Until then, the attempts to read him out of a movement he clearly states he hasn't joined are just nonsensical.

Truth is, this isn't even the real fight. This is battlespace preparation. It's about turning neutrals partisan and left-leaners neutral. Milo is doing this by being amusing. Acting like one of the humorless scolds that he's lampooning is just stupid.

I don't know if Milo is attempting to co-opt the Alt-Right movement or not. But he's not beneficial to reaching the vast majority of people who hold ideas which are already very close to the Alt-Right.

How old are you, hun? You sound like a child who's afraid someone will try to take over his tree fort. IRL, strategic wars are won by successfully swaying the populace, and positive attention in the media goes a long way in regards of getting that populace on your side. By normalizing, or downplaying portions of the mvmt that John & Jane Doe neither understand, or would find amusing.

I'll believe these little shits actually care about white genocide when they stop their MTGOW bullshit and start breeding with white women.

Nothing got me banned faster from a certain authors blog than pointing out that just one Christian family, like the Duggars, will have more impact on the in the world in 50 years than his entire blog of commentators since none of those who commented could be bothered to sire even a replacement level of children.

The future belongs to those who bother to show up for it. In 50 years most of us here will be dead. Yet many of us will have progenation that will be fruitful and enjoying their own progeny by that time.

All the feminists, the extreme liberals, the idiots of the SJW-left can do what they want, but their rank ideology will go to the grave with them.

I'm a grandmother in flyover country, you dumbass. Most of Middle America watches shit like Glee and American Idol and Bravo channel gays every day. Flamboyant gays don't shock the normies anymore, dude. Those housewives have been watching gays partially nude & fake fucking in beds on daytime soap operas, for over a decade, & they've never raised any stink over it. You really think Milo is gonna cause them to revolt?

@152-You're wrong, because they control the institutions, which go on. The progeny of alt-righters will probably end up in public school at some point. That's why it's not enough to breed. We'll have to storm the intellectual citadels at some point, or erect alternatives. And not just blogs and publishing houses.

120. Case: "Jeff Deist is a much better representative for the Alt-Right."

Watched your little clip of that Deist fellow. He has the charisma of a damp rag, and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk. He couldn't successfully give away free crack in the hood. (Apologies to Nigel Farage for for the damp rag and bank clerk stuff.)

During WW1 when H.L. Mencken was prevented by his editors from questioning some of Wilson's Narrative he wrote instead about how the first bathtub in America was installed in the White House. Over a decade later he revealed that his column was obviously BS dolts could believe it, but in recent times people have still written stories citing his original lie for their continuation of his story of "the first bathtub."

Would it not be the ULTIMATE troll job if Milo was as straight as our host, and that his whole persona is the most elaborate shtick carried out to troll the left and the media? He'd out-Mencken Mencken.

no one is flustered but you. if you want to fire at those who are mowing your enemies down with withering assaults... then you should probably take a good long think about what side you are actually on.

The "biological solution" -- that conservatives will outbreed liberals and that will help fix things -- has been more fantasy than fact. Right-leaning people may be having more kids, but liberals just snatch many of their minds away as they grow up. The primary orchestrator of the left is Satan himself of course, and he's no dum-dum.

Regardless, I'm optimistic that the Alt-Right will survive Milo simply because Nationalists have nowhere else to turn.

I just wish that he would fade into obscurity faster. The Alt-Right has enough to overcome without having a flamboyant homosexual dividing his time between publicly supporting the Alt-Right and proclaiming his love for black dick.

Has Milo or his providers of black cock ever chased a white child down for any political purposes or advocated for the cause of chasing white children down for political purposes? If so he and his providers of said black cock would deserve a firing squad (armed with Glock 19s BFYTW)if not then he is ok

Yes, Case, and I am sure that Vox is, this very minute, pale and fretting with worry about the irreparable damage I am doing to the credibility of the blog.

C'mon, Case. Neither the OP nor anyone else here is asking you to endorse Milo, but take away what you can and leave the rest. Milo represents Milo. Milo speaks for Milo. He said as much, and while saying it brilliantly put these elite wankers in their place.

It is fascinating how worried you are about Milo co-opting or representing or misrepresenting or whatever else. Your protestations and complaints actually speak to the effectiveness of what Milo accomplished in the interview. It's admirable, it's impressive, what Milo did.

If it weren't you wouldn't have been so compelled to say anything at all.

Vox Day's rule need a minor revision. Never talk to the media- unless you are Milo.

Milo IS the media. So is Cernovich.

I'll have to disagree in a HUGE way. (((Milo))) is co opting. This is (((entryism))) through and through.

You're wrong. Entryism involves a) QUIETLY JOINING the group and b) working your way up within it. Milo is not quiet. Milo expressly denies being Alt-Right and refuses to let the media anoint him as such. Nor does he ever attempt to claim leadership or tell anyone else what to do. Also, you're a moron.

(((Milo))) is NOT our friend.

Our? Milo is my friend. You are not.

"Jeff Deist is a much better representative for the Alt-Right."

First, Milo is not a representative for the Alt-Right. Second, Jeff Deist is not Alt-Right. Third, no one asked you or cares what you think.

I strongly suggest you study how GamerGate operated, then the difference between rhetoric and dialectic. Until then, shut up.