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Tuesday, February 4, 2014

Christy Clark Spins and Lies on her Radio Program, the BC Ferries Saga Unwound!

In 2001 Gordon Campbell took power in BC.....He immediately announced a massive cut in corporate taxes and income taxes, Gordon Campbell quickly squandered the $1.6 billion dollar surplus the ndp Government left him...

The surplus was gone, the deficit for Campbell`s first year turned negative by $2 billion dollars, in 2003 Campbell ran deficits again....Gordon Campbell and Christy Clark then proceeded to break their election promise and sell BC Rail to Gordon Campbell`s election campaign financer David Mclean.......That deal still stinks today, Campbell corrupted the court and shut down the legal process at a cost of 10s of $millions, and for that money we didn`t get one questioned answered. Christy Clark, her brother, her husband, now ex-husband were up to their eye balls in the BC Rail theft...

So now the Province got paid some money from CN rail on the giveaway, but it wasn`t enough money, the BC Government was still running massive deficits, where could Christy Clark and Gordon Campbell get more money for general revenue?.....Cue up the privatization of BC Ferries...

What Gordon Campbell did, with Christy Clark as deputy premier, as part of cabinet, as education minister.....What Campbell and his minions did was....The created a quazi private corporation, Gordon Campbell took all BC Ferries corporate debt and took it off of BC Ferries balance sheet and put the debt in the Province`s tally sheet(added it to our Provincial debt)....

And it`s then that the tricky wheeling and dealing and corruption took place.....I will let Debra Marshall from BC Ferries tell you what happened on April/2/2003.....The below is a letter that Debra Marshall of BC Ferries provided me.____________________________________________________________________________________________

Here is the complete letter from Debra Marshall at BC Ferries sent to me.

" The government used to own the controlling interest in BC Ferries, which had a book value of $503,178,000.

On April 2,2003, the government issued BC Ferries a debenture for $427,701,000, which BC Ferries promised to pay in cash.

In addition,at that time,the government was issued 75,477 non-voting preferred shares in BC Ferries,valued at $1000 per share.

On may 27,2004, BC Ferries paid the debenture of $427,701,000 to the government.BC Ferries had also paid the government interest on the debenture of $25,879,191.49.

For the government`s preferred shares, BC Ferries pays an 8% dividend per year of $6,038,160. We`ve paid that annually for six years for a total of $36,228,960.

In summary,BC Ferries has paid the province $489,809,000."_______________________________________________________________________________________________So there are the facts on what was done to BC Ferries....Let me fill in the blanks...Gordon Campbell and Christy Clark had two motives, one was to remove BC Ferries from freedom of information, that had to be done to avoid the hard questions and disturbing answers that would be forthcoming.....Also, Gordon Campbell needed money to claim a balanced budget, he had some CN rail money but he needed more....So the Campbell Gang created a quazi corporation, he eliminated BCFerries debt, then the Campbell Government issued a debenture to BC Ferries, ....BC Ferries, with a now debt free balance sheet, with all the assets of the ferry corporation, took the debenture(a debenture is a promisary note, in other words the Province of BC guaranteed to repay any debt they assumed and the debenture was the promisary note)BC Ferries took the debenture and did two things, they borrowed money from German banks, it was a two way deal, BC Ferries borrowed money from German banks to which they would buy German built ferries, but there was more...BC Ferries also borrowed $489,809,000.00....BC Ferries borrowed over and above the price of the new ferries $489 million dollars which Gordon Campbell put into general revenue ...The reason, Campbell was starved for money and he wanted to claim a balanced budget....But what Campbell and his Government did was(in my opinion) illegal....Campbell lied and sold BC Rail to boost general revenue, and Campbell used the so-called privatization of BC Ferries to gather up more money for general revenue.....Tricky books indeed that Christy Clark was fully aware of as deputy premier.

And the pattern with the BC Liberals is consistant, BC Rail sold for cash, BC Ferries privatized for the sole reason of using it as an ATM machine for a bankrupt province....The Federal Government with the $1.6 billion dollar hst bribe...The $760 million taken from ICBC for general revenue this year.....Gordon Campbell and Christy Clark know exactly what they have done, Christy Clark in a moment of clarity ran for the hills and running water in an attempt to cleanse her dirty hands....And it wasn`t until Gordon Campbell, Mike De Jong, and all BC Liberals shut down the BC Rail corruption trial that Christy Clark, the political quitter and opportunist crawled out of the woodwork and is running for leader, running to appease her bloated ego....

So meanwhile, BC ferries couldn`t be FOI-ed....The new German ferries were sitting idle, they burn more fuel, carry less passengers, they rattle and to this day the old BC ferries fleet, the queens of Oak Bay,Coquitlam, Surrey,Comox etc etc get the lion`s share of the work while the German queens are on emergency standby....

So anyway, I got interested in the finances of BC Ferries, they now have a $1.6 billion dollar debt, in 2008 under David Hahn`s control BC Ferries made $37 million dollars for the year, in 2009 BC Ferries made a measly $9 million dollars, barely enough to pay the interest payments on their massive debt......So I started this blog, I started writing stories, factual stories about the financial disaster known as BC Ferries....Then last year...The comptroller General came out with a report and it was revealed that David Hahn was being paid over $1 million dollars in pay per year, the public was flipping out, David Hahn the highest paid public servant running a quazi private, but sortta Government ferry company with no competition.....The people were upset...Very very upset.

So on November 10/2009...12:30pm to 1:00pm...Christy Clark on her radio show came out swinging in defence of David Hahn and his salary, and as I listened to Christy Clark lie, spin, con, I emailed her that she was wrong, when she opened up the phone lines I called in to confront her, she talked over me, she discounted my claims, she rattled off the most ridiculous numbers....After her show that day I sent Christy Clark stories from me, from the Hook at the Tyee, stories about BC Ferries massive debt, I asked her nicely to retract, she ignored me hoping I would go away...I wasn`t going anywhere, I warned her I was making a formal complaint to the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council(CBSC)...Christy mocked me and laughed....

Now before we go any further...Let me take you back to November 10/2009...12:30pm to 1:00pm Here is what Christy Clark said on radio...

Clark "How much of a difference has his leadership made at BC Ferries? It`s a company that now delivers a half a billion dollars in profit back to you and I !{sic} the taxpayers and don`t forget, we didn`t start making this profit until after David Hahn took over and started cleaning it up. So how much is that worth to you? And to me, the people who pay taxes in this Province? Yes, we could cut David Hahn`s pay. We could save the corporation maybe a hundred, two hundred, maybe three hundred grand a year. And then when he leaves and is replaced by somebody who`s willing to work for less, how much profit will there be left for the taxpayer to garner? Would we be earning four hundred million instead of five? Three hundred million insted of five? Maybe we`d be earning the same amount. The fact is no one knows. But are you willing to take that risk? Are you willing to risk hundreds of millions in profits to save perhaps a couple of hundred thousand dollars in salary? The fact is that leadership really does matter. And in the case of BCFerries, it`s pretty easy to argue David Hahn`s leadership in particular has made a very, very big difference. Is he overpaid? I don`t know. I `m not really sure what the job is worth. But I do know that five hundred million dollars in profit back to you and I {sic} the taxpayer, is a pretty good deal.What do you think...604-280-9898...*9898 on your cell.

And then I was first caller up....."Hi Brian"

Brian..Hi Christy, you know, I don`t know where you get your facts from, but you know BC Ferries has a $1.4 billion dollar capital debt. In the last fiscal reported quarter, April, May and june of this year, they didn`t even make enough money to cover their operating expenses and interest payments, which is fifty million dollar per year on their capital debt. Plus the Province subsidizes BC Ferries to the tune of almost two hundred million dollars a year. Where do you get this $500 million dollar profit amount from?

Clark--They, they return that to the taxpayer. It is on, you can find it in public accounts.

Brian--Yea, well, I suggest that you do a little more scanning and talk to Gary Coons, uh the, ferry critic....Because BC Ferries is in, is right now, is in a financial disaster.uh!

Clark-but they don`t have a fi, they don`t have a capital debt, though. Brian, because

Brian--Yes they do!..$1.4 billion dollars!

Clark-No, hold on, hold on, listen, listen, listen! listen. They don`t have a capital debt. though, because of David Hahn. They have a capital debt largely because we spent so much money on the fast ferries that there was no money left over to actually look after the ferries that were going to work in british Columbia. They had to build new ferries.

Brian--No, your wrong on that. Christy, because when Hahn took over, all the debt that BC Ferries had was retired by the Province. Hahn came in there was a clean slate. And this $1.4 billion dollar debt has been gathered up since Hahn has been at the-

Clark-But he, but, Brian, my point is he came in with BC Ferries that were, a fleet that was, in such a bad state of dis-repair, I mean, some of the ferries were, I think, thirty or forty years old

Brian-Christy-

Clark-They had to be upgraded

Brian-No, no no

Clark-and there was no money to do it because it had been misspent in previous years. That money for the fast ferries should have gone into upgrading the fleet over those years.

Brian--Christy, I have been riding the ferries for thirty years. The, the Langdale run, the island, there are no more sailings than there ever was {sic} The schedule`s been the same for three decades on the Sunshine coast. Uh, they sunk a ferry under Hahn...The fast ferries were a bad design and, and is at issue, but, that the fast ferries had nothing to do with maintenance of the fleet-

Clark-YES!

Brian-Or money taken away from ferries-

Clark-Of course it did!

Brian-No it didn`t!

Clark-Of course it did, all those years-

Brian-Look at the convention center--

Clark-All of, oh, come on! Leave the convention center out of this! That`s, that`s crazy. The money that went into the fast ferries was diverted from BC Ferries budget and it shoud have gone into replacing the ancient archaic, old fleet. And it didn`t! That`s why there`s a capital debt at BC ferries. Make no doubt. There is absolutely no doubtabout that. The convention center doesn`t have a whole lot to do with that Brian.____________________________________________________________________________________________

And with that the conversation and Christy liefest ended.....Now let me add a few points, after her show I sent Christy the financial`s for BC Ferries, PDF files, BC Ferries annual audits, I sent her a dozen stories and asked her to retract, she ignored me and I warned her that I was filing a complaint to the CBSC...And I did....And...

And on November 26/2009 at 2:57 PM Christy Clark retracted, sort of....Christy Clark clarified and said, on air..

Clark said-

"On november 10...I noted that ferries delivered 1/2 a billion $dollars in profit to the province,that`s not accurate it to call it profit,that`s not the way they book it,but according to Debra Marshall 489,809,000, was returned to the province" ___________________________________________________________________________________________

There was the retraction....Christy Clark clarified that the money amounts she mentioned on November 10 was wrong, it wasn`t profit,.....Gotcha Christy Clark...And for those paying attention, Christy Clark in her retraction used the exact same dollar amount as in the letter from Debra Marshall(BC Ferries spokeswoman) posted above, and clearly, Debra Marshall admits that the money that was paid to the Province was not profit but was borrowed money handed over to the Campbell gang....And from everything I read, that money went into general revenue to prop up the budget numbers,....... and also so Campbell could claim a balanced budget in the 2005 election campaign.....Deception, fraud, guile, and that`s why it was priority for Gordon Campbell and Christy Clark to keep BC Ferries sheilded from scrutiny and from freedom of information.

Now friends, I need to clarify, there are two levels of complaints at the CBSC..Level 1 and level 2...My complaint to the CBSC council was resolved in level one...I didn`t want to pursue it any further, I got my retraction.

So lets examine a couple of items, Christy Clark was deputy Premier when BC Ferries was turned into a quazi private corporation, Christy Clark was deputy Premier when the Debenture was issued to BC ferries, Christy Clark voted to keep BC ferries free from FOI requests....Chrisy Clark knew(in my opinion) that everything she was saying on air about BC Ferries was a lie!!!!!

For example, how could BC Ferries return $500 million in profit to BC when they get a $180 million dollar yearly subsidy...Second, no ferries set sail until they are certified, it is illegal to have a ferry in service that hasn`t been certified for public transport by the authority....So Christy`s claim that the old fleet was in disrepair was a lie, especially when the same old fleet gets the lion`s share of the work TODAY while the new German ferries sit tied to the dock!And it was under David Hahn that a ferry rammed the dock at horseshoe bay, it was under David Hahn that the Queen of the north hit Gill island and sunk to the bottom...And lastly, I mentioned the convention center on Christy`s show because...Christy claimed the fast ferries boondoggle took money away from the BC ferry fleet...Can`t the same thing be said of the $500 million dollar cost overrun on the Convention center, the cost overrun of $400 million on the golden ears bridge, $1 billion over budget on the Canada line, doesn`t all of those cost overruns take away from health, from education, from ferries, from the didabled, what is the $900 million dollar retractable roof taking away from Government coffers, from the mentally handicapped, from the autistic, what do cost overruns take away from all ministries?

So folks, Christy Clark in cahoots with Gordon Campbell when she was deputy premier managed to privatize BC Ferries, shield ferries from FOI requests and steal BC Rail from the public and gift it to David Mclean and CN Rail....And it was then friends after I forced Christy Clark to retract on air that Nick Ozinsky(He runs the controls at cknw) and Christy Clark banned me from her show, when I called in to cknw when they were giving Olympic tickets away, when I won, Nick Ozinsky, with Christy Clark screaming in the background told me to "Fuck off" and never call them again, and it wasn`t until I contacted Tom Plasteras(program manager for cknw) and told him the story did I get my prize, but I did not get Olympic tickets, I heard through my sources that Christy clark was stomping her feet and freaking out over Tom Plasteras honoring the contest and my Olympic tickets....Well, we know what happened next, I got tickets to see Don Rickles at the River Rock casino in May of 2010 and not tickets to the opening night at Molson Hockey house...Christy Clark got her small vindictive victory, .....So be it, I will win the war Christy!

So lastly, Sean Holman had posted an article that no complaints were made against Christy Clark at the CBSC, that is completely false, the CBSC hold newcasts in different regard than opinion talk shows...In other words folks, talk radio hosts can get away with mis-information, it`s almost impossible to prove that a radio talk show host is deliberately lying, so as for Sean Holman`s assertion that there are no complaints, he must be talking about level 2 complaints and has failed to find out how many complaints were REGISTERED against Christy Clark, regardless of that outcome, perhaps that information isn`t available, although I doubt it because they kept my complaint on file!....Take a look at Christy`s retraction, vague, she admitted there was no profit delivered to the people or Province, I got my remedy and didn`t pursue the complaint any further(level 2)....I received the complete transcript today for Christy`s radio show...The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council sent me the transcript today with all the dirty details!...From a Solange Courteau...Communications coordinator at CBSC....In fact friends, the CBSC did a little of their own research on BC Ferries and this is what the CBSC secretariat said about BC Ferries in their hard copy they sent me..

CBSC-...This is wild stuff folks....Here is what they said..The CBSC secretariat`s cursory research reveals that BC Ferries has a rather convoluted financing structure. BC Ferries is technically a private company , but the Provincial crown(through the BC Ferry authority) holds the single voting share in the company, In addition, the Government hold the non-voting preferred shares in the company, provides subsidies in the form of service fees to BC Ferries and holds a debenture against the company`s assets. snip

Even the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council calls the BC Ferries financial arrangement.."CONVOLUTED"

But....What makes the Christy Clark lie so much more offensive is.....There was no profit anywhere near that amount, BCFerries from 2004 to 2010 combined all years did not make anywhere near $500 million dollars! And..

Chrisy Clark was deputy Premier to gordon Campbell when the debenture was issued to BC ferries, Christy Clark was deputy premier when BC Ferries was removed from freedom of information requests, Christy clark, her brother, her ex-husband were all there for the BC Rail fraud...Christy is up to her eyeballs in dirty corrupt Campbell Government deals to insiders!

31 comments:

This whole episode kinda outs Sean Holman for the shill he is. It looks like Norm has quit passing the hat for him. Maybe Sean could grab a few months paid fiction writing at the PABlum Brigade, until everyone there gets two minutes to clean out their desks with no golden handshakes!

Just caught ha ha Hahn on the toobes talking about B.C. Ferry's salaries, telling the cameras "you get what you pay for". He is so arrogant, he just doesn't believe the truth will ever come out(it already has, but msm won't talk about it).This is just one of the many investigations we MUST HAVE!

And Christy has Patrick Kinsella as her mentor and svengali to mastermind the BC Liberal leadership; heaven help us. Also Christy is closely aligned with Peter Wall and Bob Rennie; Christy's slogan is a government for the families of BC? I don't think so; it will be serve the campaign donors and screw over the people of the province as per usual.

What about Christy and Gordon's and brother Michaels relationship with the Fraser Institute?We know Christy has the director on her show a lot and the story is when Gordo was elected in 2001, the first place he went was to the Fraser Institute office. It's funny how they all preach free market capitalism, then give away BC Rail, BC Rivers and pay the independent power producers electricity rates high above BC Hydro's rate of production. These people just preach free markets to the poor and middle class, for their rich friends its pure socialism.

my jaw is still on the floor! I think that is the first time I have been totally onside with bruce Allen...normally can't stand the guy, but wow!He actually sounded reasonably normal there. thanks for the clip, and thanks for all you do,if you're feeling underappreciated.I am fairly new to the blog, but it has become a daily stop in for me. I eagerly await your posts each day! thanks again.

I would like you to do a post, regarding, the ICBA spending a fortune on ads, to keep the HST. They are saying, the HST and the recall petitions, are just a way to get personal information. I don't have the experience to research.

Would you also, ferret out the story of. A man wearing an inspector's badge, was hanging around one of the canvassers. Two men came out of a pub, when asked, if they would like to sign the petition. They screamed and yelled at her. Low and behold, Ida Chong was across the street. The most odd of all, it is being said, people are being threatened, they MUST sign the recall petition. When the attacks, are done by certain Liberals, towards the canvassers.

Yes, Anon, 9:18 pm, We are so lucky to have you Grant. I visit your blog several times a day to keep up up on what is happening. You are always truthful, factual, helpful and brilliant. I appreciate all the hard work you put into keeping an eye on things and passing it on to us. Thanks is not a strong enough word to say how very thankful I am.

It am also saddened to hear some people have turned yellow on you. I understand that to mean the fact Carole James was long overdue in leaving and should have left gracefully on May 13, 2009. Her final exit was a total disgrace and makes me feel like she was a traitor. I quote Crankypants from your post December 2, 2010, if I may..."I still maintain that there is some agreement between the B.C. Liberal Party and the B.C. NDP Party to stay clear of certain issues"....I too have felt this way for a long time and will always wonder what connection Campbell and James had, not to the betterment of the NDP in my opinion. If the NDP go down I will hold Ms. James directly responsible, shame on her. Her parting comments and obvious rage spoke volumes about the type of person she really was, concerned only with her own ego and extremely selfish. Her parting words against us, the voters and her fellow members make fine fodder for the corrupt B.C. Liberals and the corrupt absolutely corrupt mainstream media.

So, with the moving on finally of Ms James, I'm back so let's all work really hard to get rid of the HST and win the next election. It's, I feel, the life or death of the way of life we once had.

Stay strong Grant and don't change a thing, we need you to inform us and guide us for a long time to come.

Farnsworth leads the polls as to who the NDP should have lead...One reason only, name recognition, people don`t know John Horgan,....

Michael Smyth doesn`t give a shit about the province, he`s a punk, a lousy speaker, does no research, a lousy writer who couldn`t keep up with my writing skills, and since I possess very little, that`s saying something!

Smyth wants entertainment...John Horgan scares the hell out of the BC Liberals...As for Smyth`s claims about Horgan being a left winger...

Michael Smyth believes in scorcherd earth, one environmental assessment, Michael Smyth wants to see oil tankers spewing oil on our coast, Smyth wants Fish lake destroyed, Michael Smyth is the least talented writer in the mainstream media..Michael Smyth wants Christy Clark to be leader so he gets a full time radio job at cknw...

Smyth has been ordered to start hammering the NDP competition if he wants that full time job.

They don`t shoot dead ducks.

Lastly, if you remember last month, BCTV news..Now Global news, were celebrating 50 years of news...

I blogged about it...It was in the morning, Steve Darling, they showed highlight clips from the past 50 years for 5 minutes....They were calling it news highlights from the past..

They started with media chasing FArnsworth about bingo gate, then they went to Bill Vander Zalm resigning, then the next clip was about bountiful, next clip was Clifford Robert Olsen, the final clip was Mike Farnsworth again being chased by media over bingogate..

So there it was...Mike Farnsworth first, Farnsworth last....In between they had child abusers and child killers....

That my friend is why the Media, including Mike Smyth want Farnsworth, they have all those clips of Farnsworth and Glen Clark ready to go.

About Michael Smyth might I add just look who he works for, a newspaper that surpasses the National Enquirer as to how far removed from reality a newspaper can become,whose columnists and reporters seem to have neither the brain cells or spine to actually report the facts but instead rely on "loosely based on a true story" then leave it up to the reader to interpret how "losely based" the story is without supplying any "facts of the story".

I watched a news story about the speculation of NDP leadership candidates on Global a few nights back.

This news story seemed very transparent to me.

Global rattled off the names that have been put out there and showed the pictures of the maybe candidates.

The pictures were used from old TV clips. Legislature clips, etc.

But when it came to John Horgan’s picture, (I recognised the pic from an interview John had done a day or so earlier about the RoR/ BC Hydro scam)Global used some kind of mid-speech pic of John that was not flattering…… John’s head seemed to be elongated.

This was not bad enough for Global though, so they split the scene and took this unflattering pic of John and made one side black and white and the other in colour.

Does this mean that John Horgan is two faced in Global’s mind?

Or is this like……. an attempt to heavy up the beard of OJ Simpson?

All other pics of candidates were normal.

There seems to be an effort to leave John completely off the list of late.

Horgan, is far above the scum of the BC Liberals. I don't give a damm, what the very frightened Liberals say. He is well respected, even by some of the opposition people. Do your dirty work BC Liberals, lies, deceit and cheating to win, is your forte, and we all know about it. De Jongs blatant cover up and miscarriage of justice regarding, Campbell's corrupt sale of the BCR, blew people away. That De Jong had the audacity, to run as replacement of Campbell, has earned him a lot of contempt, from the citizens. What a dammed gall!!! Nope, Horgan would never stoop, to the BC Liberals level.

He missed the fact that she and Campbell were hand in hand in the corrupt lies and sale of BC Rail,one among many thefts perpetrated on these unsuspecting sots we call British Columbians.

Christy Clark................Sara Palin on crack.

This broad would eat her young.

Grant,

Your doing the work our useless Opposition should have been doing the last 5 years. God knows the have an unused research budget and have been sitting around on their fat asses warming very expensive benches.Carol was past her due date after the last election and you and everyone else that wanted her punted were absolutely right.

From the time Christy landed her job on CKNW, one could tell that her stated facts were often skewed to portray whatever suited her stance on various issues. And her assertion that we don't need to have a full public inquiry into the whole BC Rail sale, right from the beginning to the end of the joke of the trial, because the government has already dealt with the issue is laughable. All the government has done is tried to sweep the whole sordid affair under the carpet. It will be interesting to hear what she says about BC Rail and the HST tomorrow on Bill Good's show, if he has the intestinal fortitude to conduct a real investigative interview. Something tells me that if either or both issues get mentioned, the response will be short and immediately followed by a commercial break, only to have the subject changed upon resumption.

Mike Smyth may not be the best talkshow host or columnist, for that matter, but at least he has been against the HST from day one and has not waivered from that position. I also thing that amongst the MSM that cover provincial politics, he tends to give a more balanced report. That being said, I would have much preferred to have Simi Sara take over from Christy.

I can't wait for the writer of this story to get his clutches on the massive BC Energy Policy Fraud being perpitrated on the Hydro Ratepayers. Just look at the history since the Liberals came to power. What a massive rip-off to us all.

Grant, I want you to know that I am well aware of the time, effort and the great learning curve one must expend in order to get these facts correct and then to understand them. I am a now a disabled welding contractor and had a multi-year fued going with what was then known as the GVRD and through shear dogged determination I was successful each time I had to litigate against them. These are tasks we must do ourselves simply because hiring a Lawyer is far too prohibitive. The cost of Justice is exhorbatant.I love the fact you have everything in writing or on tape. The fact you have taken the time to read and study every item that has come across your desk and with that, you are shielded against Libel and Slander.In my case, however, I attempted, through many letters to the Editor, to draw the GVRD into sueing me for Libel. That way, I could get them in Court, subpeona each one of the dirty rotten liars and get them to either tell the truth or perjure themselves. They never bit because I was never wrong.I long for the day when those in Power are honest and trustworthy. The only person I can see on the horizon is John Horgan. I truly hope that he does not become infested with graft and greed if he becomes our Premier.Keep up the good work Grant.

I was always suspicious as to why with all of the ammunition available to Carol James & the NDP why sis they not use any of it during the last election campaign? My girlfriend believed that there was something odd going on between Campbell and James, but now I have to believe there was, simply because Carole sat on all of the dirty deeds perpetrated on the people of BC and said nothing.

I have never voted NDP but I will in the next provincial election, as well as in the next federal election. Federally both the Liberals and the Conservatives are corporately owned and controlled, and therefore they blindly support the corporately driven HST. So if we want fairness for taxpayers, we need to keep both of these parties away from the trough.

Well what's going to happen to the general revenue increase ,will it go to win voter sympathy in certain ridings ? Instead of Clark's "profit" why not have the system go non profit and lower user rates ,therefor the vaunted user pay concept would hold. Why force money out of the users to supplement general revenue. Notice the user pay concept is rarely spoken about by the party. MrMclean made out well , some would say " you would do the same if you were him." Hardly an ethical approach ,but are the voters going to swallow this , yup.