He is a campaign liability. He was given an historical thrashing by a crazy old man in the VP debate.

Ryan's job is clear. If Romney is elected, Ryan will be given the responsibility to ram through the right wing agenda through the Congress, and makes sure Romney follows through on hist debt to Rove and his corporate masters.

randomjsa:This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.

Once again, F the Red Cross, they are not the "authority" on disaster relief and there's a reason they want money and blood (which they sell)... Because as with so many disasters they will hold out their collection plate for "X Disaster" and then spend that money however they damn well please, including paying their execs six figure salaries.

Seriously, F the Red Cross.

And after that, F all the hate mongering idiots who are so hung up on their political BS that they're actually sneering at food and water and other essentials being donated to help a disaster. You should be praising anyone who donates anything period. It will get to somebody who needs it and if the Red Cross doesn't want it then I assure there are plenty of other people out there that would be glad to have it.

And oh by the way weren't you the same lot going on about how the relief supplies were only going to battleground states? Line up over there and take it back because this showed up in New Jersey.

You ever actually look at a donation box? Not only is it cheaper to buy wholesale, people who donate are sometimes farking morons, and giving some poor shmuck food poisoning because you didn't realize that can of tuna was out of date helps no one.

Also, I'd like to imagine that someone who wants to be the President can follow basic farking directions.

He is a campaign liability. He was given an historical thrashing by a crazy old man in the VP debate.

Ryan's job is clear. If Romney is elected, Ryan will be given the responsibility to ram through the right wing agenda through the Congress, and makes sure Romney follows through on hist debt to Rove and his corporate masters.

You might be right. I don't know. But seriously, why is the mainstream media not investigating Ryan's invisibility?

kpaxoid:Harry_Seldon: kpaxoid: Speaking of whom, where the heck is Ryan?

He is a campaign liability. He was given an historical thrashing by a crazy old man in the VP debate.

Ryan's job is clear. If Romney is elected, Ryan will be given the responsibility to ram through the right wing agenda through the Congress, and makes sure Romney follows through on hist debt to Rove and his corporate masters.

You might be right. I don't know. But seriously, why is the mainstream media not investigating Ryan's invisibility?

It's a state secret. He's in high level meetings at the reptilian moon base.

Seriously, after reading some posts, if you want to donate to a relief effort you either

. donate cash. ask the relief organization what goods they need in lieu of cash and supply that at no charge (blood is an example). travel to the disaster site at your own expense and accommodation and volunteer to help under someone else's direction in distribution, triage, and cleanup without obstructing anything

kpaxoid:Harry_Seldon: kpaxoid: Speaking of whom, where the heck is Ryan?

He is a campaign liability. He was given an historical thrashing by a crazy old man in the VP debate.

Ryan's job is clear. If Romney is elected, Ryan will be given the responsibility to ram through the right wing agenda through the Congress, and makes sure Romney follows through on hist debt to Rove and his corporate masters.

You might be right. I don't know. But seriously, why is the mainstream media not investigating Ryan's invisibility?

Quick google search says he was doing a campaign event in Minnesota today.

He is a campaign liability. He was given an historical thrashing by a crazy old man in the VP debate.

Ryan's job is clear. If Romney is elected, Ryan will be given the responsibility to ram through the right wing agenda through the Congress, and makes sure Romney follows through on hist debt to Rove and his corporate masters.

Ryan has been so poorly received, and manages to lose supporters every time he speaks, so they have been keeping him under wraps and limiting his exposure. He was in Green Bay today visiting with Packers tailgaters where he was not very will received either, but it was not well covered by the press so no harm done.

wotthefark:Romney is a supposed "successful business man". Seriously, if you can't grasp economies of scale and overhead costs then you are not a business man and Mitt Romney isn't one. He's an opportunist vulture.

Exactly. He knows which is more efficient, but standing in front of a truckload of donated canned goods is a better photo op than one of him writing a check. Perhaps we should return the favor by showing up at one of Bain's manufacturing plants with boxes of donated hammers, wrenches and saws.

WordyGrrl:wotthefark: Romney is a supposed "successful business man". Seriously, if you can't grasp economies of scale and overhead costs then you are not a business man and Mitt Romney isn't one. He's an opportunist vulture.

Exactly. He knows which is more efficient, but standing in front of a truckload of donated canned goods is a better photo op than one of him writing a check. Perhaps we should return the favor by showing up at one of Bain's manufacturing plants with boxes of donated hammers, wrenches and saws.

randomjsa:This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.

Hey, I have a ton of stuff just waiting to get to the East Coast. I'm on the west coast. What's wrong with those stupid east coast people that they don't accept my donations?

And I love how you made this about the Red Cross rather than the craven, pathetic, utterly phony and disgusting way R$ tried to parley his photo op into a charade of "caring." Hilarious. Glad you got your priorities straight.

You know it's hard out here for a presidential candidateWhen he tryin' to get this money for the tentFor the his wife's Cadillacs and gas money spentBecause a whole lot of media talkin' shiat

You know it's hard out here for a pimpWhen he tryin' to get this money for the rentFor his wife's Cadillacs and gas money spentWill have a whole lot of biatches jumpin' ship

In my eyes I done seen some crazy thangs in the streets of ParisGotta couple girls in binders workin' on the changes for meBut I gotta keep my game tight like Barack on game nightLike takin' from a girl don't know no betterI know that ain't right

Done seen people outsourced, done seen people dealDone seen people live in poverty with lobster bisqueIt's messed up where I live but that's just how it isIt might be new to you but it's been like this for years

Makin' more money in cap venture game is sickIt's blood sweat and tears when it come down to my daddy's lickI'm tryin' to stay rich 'fore I leave up out itbut it's hard for a presidential candidateSo I'm prayin' and I'm hopin' to God I don't slip, yeah'coz there's a whole planet out there for when dieIt's called Kolob and I'm slanging more dimes than any other guy.

The Kettering event created a political firestorm when it became public that the Romney campaign spent $5,000 in a local Wal-Mart store Monday night because it feared people wouldn't bring enough to fill the truck

But don't let that fool you. Romney has faith in the good middle-class American people. Because he says so, but doesn't act it.

Wow, it amazes me how many people here seem to be a bit short on the idea of "wholesale" vs "retail".

True wholesale, now, not Costco wholesale-which is retail with high ceilings and visible forklifts.

Here's the thing about sending "charity donations" in goods: most people are assholes, and will use this opportunity to "give away" canned goods that expired years ago. Chances are, those will consume precious logistical space, effort, and fuel before being discovered and thrown away-or won't be discovered, will give some poor bastard food poisoning, and will therefore create an additional medical casualty.

Otherwise, they'll buy a new good at retail, which is wasteful when the cash could be used to buy it wholesale, direct from the closest distributor.

Send it in money, and the RC can buy known-fresh goods at wholesale rates. It's also amazing how much more you can fit on a truck when everything is still factory-palletized as opposed to randomly thrown together.

Ooh, that would be a nice thing. Both candidates saying, "It is now less than 48 hours to election day. I realize that at this point, gladhanding more people won't do a goddamned thing to change undecided voters, and will only be tiring out our existing supporters. As such, I am disbanding my campaign-I'm still here, but campaigning's done, folks. No more spending money on plane tickets and banquet hall rentals. Go vote on Tuesday, see you on Wednesday. Effective immediately, all remaining campaign funds will be donated to the following disaster relief agencies..."

pciszek:deadcrickets: And what they don't tell you is that the reason is they want MONEY is they can skim that. Only a tiny fraction goes to the victims of disasters.

We went over this in another thread. Forbes and Charitynavigator.org both say that the American Red Cross is 92% efficient; 92 cents of every dollar they receive goes to providing relief, which is pretty good for an organization of that size. The only charities that do better than that tend to be small, local, and narrower in focus.

And some people also have pointed out that overhead is not a good indicator of how well a charity is run. From a Cracked article (yeah, I know) :"And when we unwisely favor charities with low overhead, we're actually encouraging them to cut corners. They'll hire unqualified people, run cheaper but unhelpful programs or just flat-out lie about their finances. All of this results in less useful aid -- exactly what analyzing administrative expenses is supposed to avoid."

Here I sit, drinking my morning coffee out of my Red Cross mug I got by volunteering overseas for the past year, and remembering the couple times in worked with FEMA and Red Cross liaisons over my years as a medic in a very storm-prone metropolitan area, and cannot believe I am reading all these people badmouthing such awesome and hardworking (and relatively efficient) organizations.

Granted, most of these people are trolls, but still. It's disheartening.

You want a President who helps people. Who gets off his ass and does something. THEN---when a Candidate drops off stuff for the red cross (and BTW they don't turn jack away so whoever wrote this is full of shiat) --all the sudden it's a photo op. EVEN WHEN your President brings nothing and stands outside the red cross then goes in a shakes hands..THATS not a photo op-thats just a good President? No the good guy is the guy who sends the bus full of stuff-and is not even there for a photo op. BUT ya know what. Whatever.

Shadowknight:Here I sit, drinking my morning coffee out of my Red Cross mug I got by volunteering overseas for the past year, and remembering the couple times in worked with FEMA and Red Cross liaisons over my years as a medic in a very storm-prone metropolitan area, and cannot believe I am reading all these people badmouthing such awesome and hardworking (and relatively efficient) organizations.

Granted, most of these people are trolls, but still. It's disheartening.

If Jesus Christ appeared on television and said he thought Obama was a good family man, and was kind to his dog, they would curse him as an emissary of Satan.

Cup_O_Jo:You want a President who helps people. Who gets off his ass and does something. THEN---when a Candidate drops off stuff for the red cross (and BTW they don't turn jack away so whoever wrote this is full of shiat) --all the sudden it's a photo op. EVEN WHEN your President brings nothing and stands outside the red cross then goes in a shakes hands..THATS not a photo op-thats just a good President? No the good guy is the guy who sends the bus full of stuff-and is not even there for a photo op. BUT ya know what. Whatever.

The Lone Gunman:Yeah, just like how a Tea Partier I know (who has two kids by two different women, is on food stamps, lives with his rich parents, and hates the government, but that's another story) who said that Rush Limbaugh has a 'documented' 99.7% accuracy. Normally, I wouldn't have bothered with it, but I was particularly rankled by the word 'documented' so after MUCH pressing, he finally sent me to the site where it was documented.

It was RushLimbaugh.com

Lol puts me in mind of my sister. She's on food stamps,tried to get a disability check,is a rabid Glenn Beck fan,gets most of her from Fox News but at the same time she believes those on public assistance shouldn't get to vote, except her. Apparently since she lived/lives/stores stuff for free at my house while stressing our mother out to the point her blood pressure was so high she could've had a stroke and she had constant panic attacks,being absolutely rude and horrible to everyone who came here while her husband drives a flatbed and she's oh so much better. They're Mormon and she's told me more than once I'm going to hell more than once,she spouts the most hypocritical insane bullshiat but she's no farking better than me. At least I have a place to live and I take care of my mother. I've been there through all the surgeries,doctors appointments,the bills and all that shiat while she does fark all.

sdd2000:WordyGrrl: wotthefark: Romney is a supposed "successful business man". Seriously, if you can't grasp economies of scale and overhead costs then you are not a business man and Mitt Romney isn't one. He's an opportunist vulture.

Exactly. He knows which is more efficient, but standing in front of a truckload of donated canned goods is a better photo op than one of him writing a check. Perhaps we should return the favor by showing up at one of Bain's manufacturing plants with boxes of donated hammers, wrenches and saws.

PsiChick:randomjsa: This is the first time I have EVER seen people actually whining and complaining about relief supplies being sent to a disaster area.

Once again, F the Red Cross, they are not the "authority" on disaster relief and there's a reason they want money and blood (which they sell)... Because as with so many disasters they will hold out their collection plate for "X Disaster" and then spend that money however they damn well please, including paying their execs six figure salaries.

Seriously, F the Red Cross.

And after that, F all the hate mongering idiots who are so hung up on their political BS that they're actually sneering at food and water and other essentials being donated to help a disaster. You should be praising anyone who donates anything period. It will get to somebody who needs it and if the Red Cross doesn't want it then I assure there are plenty of other people out there that would be glad to have it.

And oh by the way weren't you the same lot going on about how the relief supplies were only going to battleground states? Line up over there and take it back because this showed up in New Jersey.

You ever actually look at a donation box? Not only is it cheaper to buy wholesale, people who donate are sometimes farking morons, and giving some poor shmuck food poisoning because you didn't realize that can of tuna was out of date helps no one.

THIS

I work with the local food-bank, mainly upkeep on freezers/refrigeration (Pro-Bono of course)I see a lot of what goes on there.

Do you know how many people it takes JUST to sort through donated canned goods, let alone "day-old" bread/unsold baked goods?

Also, I'd like to imagine that someone who wants to be the President can follow basic farking directions.

I see lots of clothing, toys, etc. piled underneath the sign which reads:

Please leave only Canned or Packaged Foods. Donation bins for clothing, toys, and other non-food items are located in front of The St. James Lutheran Church Clothes Pantry at **** 4th street(FYI, it's just around the corner)

sdd2000:WordyGrrl: wotthefark: Romney is a supposed "successful business man". Seriously, if you can't grasp economies of scale and overhead costs then you are not a business man and Mitt Romney isn't one. He's an opportunist vulture.

Exactly. He knows which is more efficient, but standing in front of a truckload of donated canned goods is a better photo op than one of him writing a check. Perhaps we should return the favor by showing up at one of Bain's manufacturing plants with boxes of donated hammers, wrenches and saws.

jst3p:dantheman195: Why do we care that a bunch of wealthy people lost their 2nd or 3rd home in a strong windstorm? I mean, Coastal NJ is nothing like New Orleans, you can't even buy a crap shack on the shore for less the $750K

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Look how stupid you are!

How many "poor" people do you know can afford 250K+ condos or 650K+ homes?

Also condos have no land, that is why they are "cheap", if you consider 250K-600K cheap

stoli n coke:Cup_O_Jo: You want a President who helps people. Who gets off his ass and does something. THEN---when a Candidate drops off stuff for the red cross (and BTW they don't turn jack away so whoever wrote this is full of shiat) --all the sudden it's a photo op. EVEN WHEN your President brings nothing and stands outside the red cross then goes in a shakes hands..THATS not a photo op-thats just a good President? No the good guy is the guy who sends the bus full of stuff-and is not even there for a photo op. BUT ya know what. Whatever.

jst3p:dantheman195: Why do we care that a bunch of wealthy people lost their 2nd or 3rd home in a strong windstorm? I mean, Coastal NJ is nothing like New Orleans, you can't even buy a crap shack on the shore for less the $750K

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Look how stupid you are!

Except, after about 20 homes, or not quite a quarter of the list, the homes are $750K and higher! If your point was to prove stupidity, you do an adequate job, of showing your own.

dantheman195:Why do we care that a bunch of wealthy people lost their 2nd or 3rd home in a strong windstorm? I mean, Coastal NJ is nothing like New Orleans, you can't even buy a crap shack on the shore for less the $750K or rent one during the summer for less than $5K a week (5K would be cheap) so again, why are we donating items or money to people who have this stuff or even better stuff. Maybe if Romney would send the property owners 100K checks to cover their rental income losts for next year, that might be useful, but jars or peanut butter or mash potato mix, they probably wouldn't eat that crap in the first place.

While that is true of some areas (Spring Lake, Mantoloking, Bay Head, Lake Como, Island Heights) it is NOT the case in most of them. Seaside Heights is mostly tightly-packed apartments & bungalows with many year-round residents. Even the rentals you're talking about are used as Section 8 & winter rentals Oct-May (winter rentals are usually around $600/month). Many people there lost everything. Other towns, like Belmar, Asbury, Point Pleasant, Toms River, Neptune, Long Branch, New Brunswick--too many to count, really, are mostly middle-class/blue collar. There are some McMansions peppered throughout there but, on the whole, there are "regular" people who desperately need help. My niece lived in Normandy Beach (winter rental) and her house burned to the ground. Friend of mine in Bound Brook got flooded out--water level reached 4 feet and everything in her apartment was destroyed. She's an admin asst. for a landscaping company--not exactly the type to have a 2nd home somewhere. I'm near Mantoloking, about 1 1/2-2 miles away from the bridge that got washed out & hit by a house. My neighborhood is about half year-round residents & all of us are either office workers of some sort (I'm in sales) or blue collar (neighbor owns a construction company). These are our only houses and they're not mansions by any stretch of the imagination. ALL of them are converted summer bungalows from the 50s on 100x100 lots.