October 30, 2009

CBS News: Obama's Just Kinda Making Stuff Up About Jobs "Saved or Created"— Ace

Two big points I want to make:

First of all, that Florida day care center that claimed Spendulus money "saved or created" 129 jobs when in fact the money they got was simply used to give all existing employees raises?

That's not a "mistake."

When the WH demanded that those who received Spendulus money "report" back on how many jobs were "saved or created," they insisted upon a nonsensical rule: If a single dollar of Spendulus was spent on an employee's salary, whether that employee was a new employee or an old one, that gets counted as a job "saved or created." If he's a new employee, that job was created. If he's an existing employee, that job was saved.

For $1.

Yes, $1. Because the nonsensical rules the White House told these people to count "saved or created" jobs by simply stated: If any employee's salary is paid, in whole or in part (any part!), count that as a job "saved or created" by the spending.

And then report that number back to us.

Note that the White House's rules do not seek to discover which jobs really were "saved or created." To come to that conclusion, one would need a set of more rigorous rules -- which excluded some jobs from the "saved or created" category, rather than attempting to include them all under that rubric.

For example, you'd need a rule like: "If the funding pays more than 10% of an employee's salary, and the management feels the employee would not have been hired, or would have been fired, but for that spending, then this job should be counted as 'saved or created. "

They didn't do that. They didn't set a 10% threshold, or even a 1% threshold. A single dollar counts as saving or creating a job.

Further, they never asked if the employee would be out of a job but for that spending.

Because they didn't want to actually find out which jobs were saved or created. They just wanted as large a number as possible, even if it made no sense, and had nothing at all to do with jobs really affected by the spending.

So, if a factory gets $5000, and divides that, $50 a worker, among 100 workers, you know how many jobs were "saved or created" according to Obama?

If a factory gets $5000, and divides that, $1 a worker, among 5000 workers, Obama's rules say 5000 jobs were saved or created.

And note that in neither case does the employee have to be a new one. It could be a guy working there for 30 years, whom the company would never even consider firing. Per the rules, if he gets 50 bucks, or even a single dollar, his job was right there "saved" by Bonny Prince Barack.

So the Florida day-care center that gave themselves all a small raise didn't make a "mistake." They reported the numbers precisely as Obama -- who is signing their checks, after all -- dictated.

The problem is not a "mistake" in implementation. The problem is that rules are sham from the start, contrived to force an absurd conclusion.

The second point is this: At no point in all of American history has the metric ever been what jobs a president has "saved or created." The metric has always been the concrete, easier-to-determine number of how many jobs were lost and how many were gained. There has never before been a "saved" category, ever, and yes, all other presidents in an ailing economy would of course like to shift focus from the jobs lost to those they can claim were "saved."

It is only Obama -- special rules for special people! -- who has ever been so shameless as to attempt to shift the terms of debate to something so favorable to him (and so hard to determine), and it is only in Obama's case has the media been so compliant they went along with the charade.

The media should ask themselves why Bush never sought credit for what jobs he had supposedly "saved" -- surely he "saved" some, eh? He could not have gone 8 years with multiple tax cuts and multiple stimulus packages without ever once "saving" a job that would have otherwise have been lost -- and what their reaction would have been if Bush, rather than President Prissypants, had demanded they respect this brand-new, politically-helpful metric of "jobs saved."

9
This isn't a bad administration making decisions we disagree with. It's a farce. How can anybody support these lying fools.

Posted by: Roy D Mercer at October 30, 2009 07:23 AM (kNiZP)

10Seriously, we need a Congressional investigation to find if what that caller reported was accurate. Something like this could really hurt the Obama admin (and maybe prevent the Obama admin from hurting the taxpayers in the future with all these asinine programs).

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as ace points out, the most preposterous thing about all this is that the media is aiding and abetting the administration by buying into this whole "saved or created" nonsense, i for one applaud couric and cbs for finally stepping up to the plate to refute some of these ridiculous claims from obama and company, if only they would deconstruct the "growth in gdp/recession over" meme that's being promulgated.

29Albany Oregon's biggest employer just shut down their paper mill this week.....the recession is over!!!!

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 30, 2009 12:27 PM (IqfKc)

What a coinky-dink. International paper just shut its mill down last week in Franklin, Virginia. They were the largest employer in the region for over 65 years and the closing cost 1,200 + jobs. The trickle down effect will cost countless other jobs to be lost too.

I love this economy ! When everybody is starving we can call it Fun-ger.

34Well, I am sure that this is a theological conundrum for the devoted. If Obama told a lie, did he actually say it? Or is it a lie that the people heard it?
No no no, Comrade Chairman is incapable of flaw so fault must lie with listener. You Kulak.

36
Watched the vid and was surprised at the candor. CBS prolly got an angry and hysterical call afterwards.

Posted by: Seriously at October 30, 2009 07:37 AM (SSZkW)

37Saved or Created, I still can only shake my head at the balls it takes to have uttered that phrase in public, or the absolute certainty that the administration must have that the media is their bitch.

Either or.

Posted by: toby928 at October 30, 2009 07:37 AM (PD1tk)

38
These are the same sort of shenanigans Obama played with his campaign donation website. They deliberately disabled (it is turned on by default in the program) the verification check to make sure contributors were Americans, and that each person was only donating once. That willful blindness allowed Obama to rake in millions in illegal, small dollar foreign contributions.

Here, they are deliberately avoiding the most basic scrutiny, in an effort to generate fake, but politically helpful, data.

It's the same mindset behind the democrats' opposition to voter ID laws. They WANT to cheat - "by any means necessary"

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Wow! And to think that all along, I thought these "saved of created"
stats were numbers they were just pulling out of their ass!

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 30, 2009 12:33 PM (r1h5M)

Yeah, kinda restores your faith in humanity doesn't it.

NOT!

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 30, 2009 07:38 AM (OtQXp)

41
I can't wait for the toilet paper and bread lines. And sorry ladies, only 2 varieties of shoes.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at October 30, 2009 07:39 AM (muUqs)

42
We are currently reviewing whether CBS deserves to be called a news organization.
Until our review is complete, all citizens are instructed to get their news from reliable sources such as Daily Kos.

You know now I am beginning to understand a visit I got the other day.A guy from the federal government showed up at my door and asked "Are you employed?" I said: "Yes, thank God."He shoved a dollar in my hand and ran. I guess my job has been saved.

Posted by: Rocks at October 30, 2009 07:45 AM (Q1lie)

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Every thing about our Precedent and his policies are a sham I think I'll stop calling him "Teh Bamster" and start calling him "Teh Shamster".

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using ace's $1=1 job equation, the 787B porkulus bill could theoretically "create/save" 787B jobs! he could rename it the "earth full-employment act of 2009" and we could give some of those jobs to dogs/cats/polarbears/etc to make up for the lack of "human" job-recievers.

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@38: they are deliberately avoiding the most basic scrutiny, in an effort to generate fake, but politically helpful, data.

It's the same mindset behind the democrats' opposition to voter ID laws. They WANT to cheat - "by any means necessary"

Nailed it. One wonders how long before Da Won's advisers put a poll on the WhiteHouse website asking "How do you feel about the economy?", with the only choices being the following: l. It's the bestest ever, absolutely evah! 2. It's the best economy in the past 50 years. 3. It's better than any we've had under any other president.

Posted by: sf at October 30, 2009 07:50 AM (xz5dP)

71Isn't democracy still held hostage? We need a daily count.
Yes, and in 24 hours Obama is going to start sending us fingers unless we meet his demands.

Posted by: joncelli at October 30, 2009 07:50 AM (RD7QR)

7263
If they sent every person on the planet $1.00, they could "save or create" a job for everybody in the world for only $6 billion.

Problem solved.

For the money they spent they could have saved or created 133 jobs per every human on the planet, or 2,666 for every American. I don't know about you guys, but I don't think I could work 2,666 jobs.

Posted by: unused assault rifle at October 30, 2009 07:51 AM (IqfKc)

73It's about time for another guided video tour in search of my brain.

Posted by: Katie Couric's colon at October 30, 2009 07:52 AM (Oxen1)

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FLASH: Katie Couric to be broadcasting her show from a camp in New Mexico.

Posted by: wHodat at October 30, 2009 07:52 AM (+sBB4)

75Somebody should shove a camera up Katie's butt to find out where her loyalty went.

Posted by: Rahm Emmanuel at October 30, 2009 07:53 AM (+FzLa)

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I wonder if CBS will be the worst person in the world tonight. Ah who am I kidding who cares what that douchebag says anyway.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at October 30, 2009 07:53 AM (SqAkN)

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Posted by: teej at October 30, 2009 07:54 AM (c459z)

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I'd like to use a baseball analogy here. When a relief pitcher comes in in the 8th or 9th inning and his team has a 10 run lead, the stats don't credit him with a "save". There has to be a game that was losable before it counts as a save.

"Half a million dollars to study social networking websites and 219k dollars to study the sex lives of college freshmen women."--I feel so much better now. You know that's going to create more jobs for "researchers".

You know, Chip Reidv has been getting increasingly testy with Gibbsy during press conferences. (Not up to Jake Tapper standards, but still). That one where he was asking Gibbs about high rolling donors getting access to high ranking Obama officials and using the WH bowling alley, he was visibly irritated. It would be nice if the media would stop kissing The Shamster's ass and start doing their jobs.

And yes, it is absolutely delicious that Time is firing 6% of their staff. That rag couldn't be more deserving of going off the mortal coil to the propaganda factory in the sky.

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I wish I could dig the comment when the "stimulus" was first passed in which I predicted this- that if so much as $1 dollar went to a project that employed people, they'd count them all as jobs "created or saved".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 30, 2009 07:54 AM (rf03a)

82
"I have just received a mean letter from Al Qaeda. If we don't pass health care reform and cap and trade, they will explode a nuclear device over a large city near Lou Dobb's house."

Posted by: Obama at October 30, 2009 07:55 AM (+sBB4)

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I'm glad I took math before this new fangled Democratic math came along?

86 >>If a single dollar of Spendulus was spent on an
employee's salary, whether that employee was a new employee or an old
one, that gets counted as a job "saved or created." If he's a new
employee, that job was created. If he's an existing employee, that job
was saved.

So in THAT case the spendulus was a huge waste of money

The Federal gov't could have simply given every employed American one dollar, and "saved or created' a number of jobs equal to the number of working Americans.

This program would cost only a teensy fraction of the Spendulus actually cost.

Hell, Uncle Sam wouldn't even have to write a single check. . .just offer everyone who had $1 worth of earnings in the last year a $1 tax credit.

Posted by: looking closely at October 30, 2009 07:56 AM (PwGfd)

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Ok people we have to step up our propagandizing. The news outlets are hemorrhaging cash and viewers but we still have the actors. All hands on deck. The ending of Lost will feature The Island = Obama. The Office will feature an episode where Obama personally annoints the office with a new employee. Obama will guest host Saturday Night Live and lipsync the lyrics to Miley Cyrus' 'Party in the USA' in an extended hour long musical interlude. Obama will oversee the opneing coin toss and open the game with a special rugby punt for the New Orleans Saints [see what I did there Gibbs, heh, heh] on Monday Night Football. Oh, and then we'll ban meat on Tuesday. I am a super genius.

Posted by: Cass Sunstein at October 30, 2009 07:56 AM (aVQo/)

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Oh, come on, that video is really from the Onion News Network. That can't possibly be real.

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I feel the need to bring out this most excellent snarky comment from Mallamutt from a couple weeks ago. It should be the standard reply to anyone who goes around claiming "saved or created" jobs. heh----------

I believe I have saved or created at least 10 jobs this morning alone.

I got up and took a crap. Therefore, I have created 1 job in the toilet paper manufacturing sector.

I had a bagel for breakfast. Therefore, I have saved 1 agricultural job
and created a job at the bagel plant. Total so far... 3 jobs.

I had some coffee. The coffee came from Columbia, so I saved a job at
the dock where somebody unloaded the coffee. Also, some one trucked the
coffee from the dock to the store, so there is another job. Total so
far..... 5 jobs.

I read the local newspaper. I subscribed to the newspaper from some guy
at the local grocery store who was giving out gift cards to the store
if I subscribed. I saved his job, plus saved the delivery persons job.
Total jobs....... 7

The local kid came around and I paid him $15 to rake up the leaves in
the front yard. I also supplied the lawn refuse bags. That 1 job
created for the kid and 1 job saved at the place that makes the lawn
refuse bags. Total jobs saved......... 9

And I have posted here, dutifully clicking on the ad banners. Thus, I
can claim to have saved the job of Ace, Internet Blogger. Total for the
morning.......... 10.

I can hardly wait to see how many more jobs I save or create this afternoon.

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It will be interesting to see how the White House tries to punish CBS. (Look how they came after Edmonds.com and The Chamber of Commerce).

Posted by: runningrn at October 30, 2009 07:58 AM (qP2BK)

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93 I saved or ated almost a pound of bacons this morning.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and the Odd Meteor at October 30, 2009 12:58 PM (erIg9)
Ever hear of the ongoing Cholesterol crisis in this Country?

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And of course by mt I meant kt. Though a 475 megaton warhead would be cool as hell. I'd call it the Buck Turgidson Special.

Posted by: Beagle at October 30, 2009 08:08 AM (sOtz/)

111Wow, someone in the press corp. just asked Gibbs how credible the saved
or created job number was. Guess they are starting to wake up. Not a
real tough question, but with these numbnuts, it is a start.

Has anyone else seen a day-care center with 129 employees?
Admittedly, it's been a few years since the BackwardSon was in one, but
I don't remember seeing more than a dozen employees at most.

Yeah it's called public school.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 30, 2009 01:10 PM (IqfKc)

A college with 5y journalism and communications majors?

Posted by: Jean at October 30, 2009 08:14 AM (xCBQ4)

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Question: If someone is losing their job, but they get a $50 going away gift from their work, was that job created or saved?

Posted by: Mr. Crabington at October 30, 2009 08:14 AM (taGwa)

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The most common lie the Administration makes is reversing 'benefits' with 'cost'.

If you spend a few million improving a road those construction worker jobs are not 'benefits', they are 'costs'. If the road improvements directly improve property values in the area of the road, those are the 'benefits'. The benefits must exceed the costs to justify the project. Obviously just repaving a road to nowhere would not result in any benefits to anyone (unless you consider ass-raping productive people a benefit).

Team Obama gets this ass-backwards - They routinely mislabel the 'costs' as 'benefits' and never attempt to show any real 'benefits' (nevermind that benefit/cost > 1.0) - because there are none.

Did he really call it that??? If so that could be the death of Obamanomics.

Bottom Down: when you hit rock bottom and keep digging.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 30, 2009 08:16 AM (IqfKc)

139I don't think it's so much the msm finally waking up as it is them saying dude if you want us to cover for your ass we need something a little more believable or else Americans will see us for the complete douchebags we really are.

Posted by: bulwark at October 30, 2009 08:16 AM (jvrmc)

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i can't see the vid because of websense- is CBS calling BS on teh Won?

142
When I gave the POTUS a hummer, I saved millions upon millions of The One's sperm from flailing endlessly on a kleenex.

Posted by: Rocco Landesman at October 30, 2009 08:17 AM (fDWFP)

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I only save or create jobs in the vice industries . My local liquor and homegrown reefer salesmen . I'd support hookers and exotic entertainers too if the aforementioned ever left me with any excess cash .Hey, they're Americans with families to support , as well .I wish my wife understood these patriotic choices that I make . Sadly , she tends to go on and on about groceries , mortgage , utility bills , blah , blah, blah .

Huh. More waste of the public's money. More lies. How unexpected (/sarc). Is there no law or moral rule these bastards do not trample under foot every damn day?

How can you tell a Liberal is lying? His lips are moving. Or his fingers are typing. Or he's writing a note. Or he's sending up a smoke signal. Etc...

I used to wonder why. Why would they say so many things that were so obviously and insultingly untrue? Then I was enlightened by this explanation:

Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.-Theodore Dalrymple ---Interview with Jamie Glazov; FrontPageMagazine.com; August 31, 2005

The W-88 has nice pop, but 400 MT? That's like chixlub-wipe out the dinosaurs and all of north america size.

I liked at the very end of that CBS report where they were starting in on a report about Hillary and the city of laWhore.

Posted by: wws at October 30, 2009 01:14 PM (T1boi)

I revised that to kilotons. I'm pretty sure we don't have any megaton warheads these days. My (brain lock) typo would make the W-88 nine times larger than the Soviet Tsar Bomba test. Cool, but not very useful except for vaporizing hostile meteors in space or something.

Posted by: Beagle at October 30, 2009 08:20 AM (sOtz/)

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So far the only jobs I created this morning were in the sewage treatment business.

26 Well, I am sure that this is a theological conundrum for the devoted. If Obama told a lie, did he actually say it? Or is it a lie that the people heard it?That is interesting, good pickup, Ace. Now we know where the saved or created claim comes from.

161The good news is that since the majority of the MSM is embracing this new "yardstick", any GOP President can use it in the future.

Uh, no. Whatever gave you that idea? Maybe in a sane world, but not the one we live in. The first time the words "x number of jobs have been saved or created" comes out of the mouth of a Republican president's press secretary or spokesman, the MSM will be all over it like a school of starving piranha on a cow that has fallen into the Amazon River. And if some conservative pundit points out the obvious double-standard, they'll say, "Huh?"

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re: 173 Hopefully a big chunk of the "MSM" will be dead by 2012. Today's news about TIME's layoffs are hopeful in that regard.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at October 30, 2009 08:39 AM (B5cM9)

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Remember those W-88's are the White House's "political" weapons; not the military's. Single most frightening thing I have heard from the Obama administration - could have come verbatim from the Politburo to the Red Army.

Posted by: Jean at October 30, 2009 08:39 AM (xCBQ4)

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Hoping to un-save/create a few ducks and geese in the am. Opening day

It means Wall Street traders are acting like tourist at a Vegas Blackjack table. Cashing out after a winning hand, grabbing a drink and waiting a few hours to see how much they have left to play again after the misses goes shopping.

Or maybe people are beginning notice that a block of dried Velveeta connected to a Commodore 64 that generates random policy options from the collected economic works of Hugo Chavez and Robert Mugabe is controlling the economy.

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The economy is going to suck until DC is purged of these thieves. Serious investors are all terrified that they are going to be ripped off by the government.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 30, 2009 09:16 AM (IqfKc)

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I guess the money I gave my son to wash and clean my car could count as a job created under the Obama stimulus...because of that tax "increase" we all got earlier this year (amounts to $32 more per month for me).

Posted by: sydney jane at October 30, 2009 09:18 AM (T8h7U)

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If the US is a store, then the Obama/Pelosi/Reid government is a 400-lb escaped mental patient that has wandered in through an unlocked back door. In less than three minutes it has toppled shelves, scared away customers and taken a dump in front of the cash register.

I'd hold the cheers for CBS. They had little choice in this case. The AP is running these stories, have said they would continue to do so, and other media outlets were already picking up on it.

I'm starting to wonder if this is partly attributable to the stupid little war against Fox News the White House tried waging. That stunt not only sent more people to Fox, it actually compelled the other news organizations and left-wing media pundits to defend Fox on First Amendment grounds. The Chicago street trash MO of the administration got put on display for the entire country to see, and now other news organizations are beginning to question just how competent Obama and his cronies are.

Nixon learned the hard way (twice) that you don't go to war with the media; it appears Obama needs to learn that lesson as well.

The H-bombs were all scrapped years ago. Some of the initiator mini-bombs were recycled into ordinary fission warheads.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 30, 2009 01:26 PM (gNacq)

We still have H-bombs. Lots of them. The really big ones (5-10 MT) have been retired, since they are not as useful as the modern smaller, lighter, and more accurate ones. One reason for the size of those old, really large weapons was the inaccuracy of delivery at the time. A giant blast meant that you didn't have to get the bomb right on the target.

All the current sub-launched, silo-launched, and cruise missile nuclear warheads are thermonuclear. The yields range about 100-450 kT. There are still a few air-delivered weapons that yield up to a megaton or so.

Come to think of it, a Trident missile with say, ten 400 kT warheads adds up to 4 megatons total. Distributing the smaller warheads actually causes a lot more destruction than a single 4 MT bomb.

You mean, Jay Severin has competition in the Boston market? Coulda fooled me.

*****************

LOL!!! Severino's on life support. He's never there, and he's a pompous asshole. His three-hour show is often two hours of him, then a third-hour re-run of the first hour. (You're not supposed to notice, I guess, and given how predictable and boring he is, you won't)

His station's management is desperately moving time slots and hosts around as if they were playing mah-jong.

(Howie's station WRKO is also in terrible shape, but at least they've got him and Rush. WTTK's got Squat. Jack. Bupkis. Nada. Rien. Rei. Nul. )

The account about how these "saved" and "created" jobs are calculated is absolutely true. Here in the Show Me state, public schools have been told that the state funds they've received as a matter of course are now considered spendulus money and school administrators have to sign forms affirming that yes, they saved and created jobs, too. Same amount of money received as usual except that the state now says what the funding is considered federal stimulus funds. When school districts complained that they were being forced to lie on the forms about saving and creating jobs, state officials hemmed and hawed and said that they're getting pressure from feds. If this is any indication of how things are going in the rest of the country all of the numbers are wildly exaggerated.

Posted by: martine at October 30, 2009 01:55 PM (dVhqO)

211
Must be serious if Couric takes time out from bashing Sarah Palin to mildly criticize His Most Wonderfulness the Nobel Prize Winner.

Posted by: Reiver at October 30, 2009 02:08 PM (q1zgR)

212
uuum, you are all missing the big picture here. I'm getting in on the study sex lives of college freshman. They need a dirty old man to observe, I mean. I'm reformed. college chicks are hotttttttttttttttttttttt!

RP

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Posted by: roman at October 30, 2009 02:24 PM (g2qqp)

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We've saved or created jobs at a factory in Chicago that makes miniature models of factories.

Posted by: Number 2 at October 30, 2009 03:48 PM (HAPAi)

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They think "saved or created" sounds better than "Please grade us on a curve."

Ace, do you have a source for that "1 dollar" guideline? I have seen that nowhere else, and in the documentation I looked up (below), it seems that the jobs are pro-rated by the amount of recovery funding applied to the job.

http://tinyurl.com/ydbro6z

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