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Neither am i fluent in Hebrew or Aramic but i recognize the similarity of the Hebrew transliteration Heylel with the Arabic transliteration Hilal which means Crescent and makes sense as that is a symbol of the impostor of Islam.

the word "there" and "their" sounds alike so they must mean the same thing. Oh yea because homophones don't exist.
The should be a limit to stupidity. If your reasoning is that two DIFFERENT words from two DIFFERENT languages might mean the same thing just because they sound alike, you need help.

The words aren't even pronounced the same, they are just spelled (kind of) the same in english, a totally different language from the last two being compared. This is just embarrassing lol

Star

the word "there" and "their" sounds alike so they must mean the same thing. Oh yea because homophones don't exist.
The should be a limit to stupidity. If your reasoning is that two DIFFERENT words from two DIFFERENT languages might mean the same thing just because they sound alike, you need help.

The words aren't even pronounced the same, they are just spelled (kind of) the same in english, a totally different language from the last two being compared. This is just embarrassing lol

Don't pose an argument when you have no idea what you are talking about.
You pointed out the connection you saw because of the two words from two different languages that look different and are pronounced different and have different meanings and concluded that this must mean "its islam being talked about" in the verse. I'm just saying your argument is flawed and straight up embarrassing.

--sura 6, verse 96:
"(God) appointed the night for rest and the sun and the moon for reckoning."

--sura 14, verse 33:
"For you (God) subjected the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses. And for you He subjected the night and the day."

-sura 6, verse 97:
"(God) is the One Who has set out for you the stars, that you may guide yourselves by them through the darkness of the land and of the sea. We have detailed the signs for people who know."

--sura 10, verse 5:
"God is the One Who made the sun a shining glory and the moon a light and for her ordained mansions, so that you might know the number of years and the reckoning (of the time). God created this in truth. He explains the signs in detail for people who know."

Star

On and off the board, that happens to me a lot, though I don't go in search of it and am not complaining. Christians will say: "Oh look, Muslims are circumambulating around a cube, and cubes are thought to be related to Saturn, and therefore Muslims are Satanic Saturn worshipers." To which I respond: "Oh really? As I read it, Muslims are only circumambulating around a cube, but, by the sounds of things, Christians are expecting to actually live in one, or something which sounds suspiciously like one, a celestial city built foursquare. Furthermore, when the Temple was still standing, Jews had a cube in their Holy of Holies, and, at the rate they are going, probably again soon will." To me, a "cubist" by any other name is still a cubist.

Star

Hey thanks I’m glad you read it. I think to externalize evil as the modern myth of Lucifer/Satan does distracts from the evil within, which comes from a painful collective history and the selfish survival instinct from our animal nature/origin.

Any true form of religion allows us to transcend that animal instinct. In a certain sense it is accurate that demons are portrayed as reptilian, as it is the reptilian portions of our brains that are in control of the human mind during our worse depravities.

Veteran

Hey thanks I’m glad you read it. I think to externalize evil as the modern myth of Lucifer/Satan does distracts from the evil within, which comes from a painful collective history and the selfish survival instinct from our animal nature/origin.

Any true form of religion allows us to transcend that animal instinct. In a certain sense it is accurate that demons are portrayed as reptilian, as it is the reptilian portions of our brains that are in control of the human mind during our worse depravities.

Thank you, in turn, for listening to me. I think you have a lot of valuable things to contribute to the discussions, and that article, as well as your personal insight, are cases in point. I remember once reading, or maybe even thinking, that, in a way, it is a sign of a primitive consciousness which externalizes its gods and devils, but I was probably too immersed in the so called "depth psychologists," especially C.G. Jung, and was smoking a lot of weed at the time lol. I don't necessarily hold to my own opinion on any given subject and wouldn't defend the statement now, but I understood, quite well, and appreciate what you just wrote.

Superstar

I don't wish to put a downer on people wishing to make the journey from lower nature to higher self, but some of the comments above have quite an uncanny resonance with the new Rosicrucian manifesto...

Established

I don't wish to put a downer on people wishing to make the journey from lower nature to higher self, but some of the comments above have quite an uncanny resonance with the new Rosicrucian manifesto...

Living life and watching the behavior of others then coming to grips with my own sinfulness have shown me that the Bible’s account of Man is based on reality. The older I get, the more often I read it, the more truth it reveals.

Star

Don't pose an argument when you have no idea what you are talking about.
You pointed out the connection you saw because of the two words from two different languages that look different and are pronounced different and have different meanings and concluded that this must mean "its islam being talked about" in the verse. I'm just saying your argument is flawed and straight up embarrassing.

God is speaking to a being who will also sit on the mount of the congregation. That mount is Zion where the Glory of God used to sit in the Holy of Holies in the Temple.

Isaiah 14 13"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:"

As for the Hebraic word Heylel in the sense of brightness... it is obviously connected to the Arabic word Hilal which means Crescent.

Star

I don't wish to put a downer on people wishing to make the journey from lower nature to higher self, but some of the comments above have quite an uncanny resonance with the new Rosicrucian manifesto...

The same Greek word, in Latin, is Lucifer, or lucifer. The still outstanding question is why it is that you, even if only metaphorically, are expecting Lucifer to arise in your heart? How is Jesus thought to be metaphorically related to Lucifer?

In Isaiah 14:12 the Hebrew word is הֵילֵל (Strong's H1966 - heylel) and that looks like an actual name and read in context of a self willed being who will also sit upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north ... Neither am i fluent in Hebrew or Aramic but i recognize the similarity of the Hebrew transliteration Heylel with the Arabic transliteration Hilal which means Crescent and makes sense as that is a symbol of the impostor of Islam.

No, they weren’t written by Moses and there is a 500 year gap between Chapters 1 & 2.

Look if you honestly research how the Bible came to be you will see it is not constructed as fundamentalism leads you to believe.

I could cite numerous scholars to support my claims but there’s always a few fundie scholars out there that could give you a counter-claim.

Anyway I’m not bashing the Bible or anyone’s belief in it, but for me it’s rewarding and enlightening to take it allegorically and I don’t have to perform mental gymnastics to explain away all the historical and scientific inaccuracies and continuation errors.

Star

The same Greek word, in Latin, is Lucifer, or lucifer. The still outstanding question is why it is that you, even if only metaphorically, are expecting Lucifer to arise in your heart? How is Jesus thought to be metaphorically related to Lucifer?

Lucifer is not mentioned in the original text which was written in Hebraic in the OT and Greek in the NT.

So nobody is expecting Lucifer to arise in their hearts.

What Peter is writing is what Jesus is saying about Himself as being the morning star and giving the morning star to those who continue in His work until the end. We know from Job that a morning star is an angel. And that is what we hope to become. Peter used the poetic image or metaphor Phosphoros to describe this and in Latin this word was translated as Lucifer.