Mark StraussandJustin Irvingjoined Jeff and Jonny recently to talk about leading like Jesus, in the church. These two are authors, Ph.D's, and seminary professors and they speak with the guys abouttheir new bookon biblical leadership.

​A great conversation with Phil Bowdle, Creative Arts Pastor at West Ridge Church in NW Atlanta, and author of Rethink Communication - A Playbook to Clarify and Communicate Everything in your Church. Instructive and helpful! https://www.philbowdle.com.

Jeff, Jonny, and Jeff's Executive Assistant, Kathi, all join in this conversation with Phil as he talks about the obstacles to communication and clarity in the local church and the steps he recommends taking to overcome them.