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I cannot criticise your beliefs on ethical standards, but I CAN on the grounds that they are plain stupid. Reason exists. Your complete lack of any argument to defend your position other than "Ooooo look, isn't murder just soo BAD!" is laughable. Murder is neither bad nor good, conceptually. Whether it's logically/emotionally justifiable will depend on the specific situation.

I still have emotions like everyone else; I just realise they're a sort of illusion. To call me an animal is just uncalled for really, I don't know why you said that. I'm no more or less of an animal than you are.

I know you told me you weren't a troll, but I really think you are. You're not interested in having an actual reasonable conversation with me, but just to insult me based on my philosophical perspectives. What's that all about?

He didn't call you an animal. He's just illustrating what he believes happens when you carry the philosophy you've stated here to its logical end. He would only be calling you an animal if he thinks your philosophy is true, which he doesn't. He's trying to illustrate that you do have a sense of morality despite denying it.

Worldview plays some role in how society is structured and how individuals act. However, in my view despite what other people might believe I think everyone is a human endowed with a certain sense of right and wrong. So even if you don't have a reason for believing in right and wrong you can't escape your own sense of it. This is why I think En Gallop doesn't want to be thought of as a murderer. It's not just a matter cultural conditioning.

My question would be if it is a matter of cultural conditioning then were did culture come from?

The way in which culture or memes operate in athiest theory, whether its God, Morality or any other human experience which they are choosing to deny is even more inexplicable, unexplainable and magical than anything at all existing in religion or mythology or any tradition what so ever.

I actually think fair play to you for carrying on the discussion Beorn because the majority of those posts just give me a headache, it'd be a different matter if the questions wherent rhetorical and if there were any questions being posed, instead its the bold assertion of "we've got all the answers" and all dissenting opinion is irrational, false, wrong.

All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

Worldview plays some role in how society is structured and how individuals act. However, in my view despite what other people might believe I think everyone is a human endowed with a certain sense of right and wrong. So even if you don't have a reason for believing in right and wrong you can't escape your own sense of it. This is why I think En Gallop doesn't want to be thought of as a murderer. It's not just a matter cultural conditioning.

I've already said that we can't escape our own emotional reactions to things. This sense of "Right" you have is just a feeling. Prove it says something about an action.

All you need to do is tell me why I'm wrong. Shouldn't be so difficult if you're so darn sure.

Thanks. The most unreasonable person on the forum.

See my post to beorn.

All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

My question would be if it is a matter of cultural conditioning then were did culture come from?

The way in which culture or memes operate in athiest theory, whether its God, Morality or any other human experience which they are choosing to deny is even more inexplicable, unexplainable and magical than anything at all existing in religion or mythology or any tradition what so ever.

I actually think fair play to you for carrying on the discussion Beorn because the majority of those posts just give me a headache, it'd be a different matter if the questions wherent rhetorical and if there were any questions being posed, instead its the bold assertion of "we've got all the answers" and all dissenting opinion is irrational, false, wrong.

Well where did she say that she has all the answers and that all dissenting opinion is irrational, false, and wrong?

And now there came out of this building a form - human - was it human? ... It reminded me of symbolical images of Genius or Demon that are seen on Etruscan vases or limned on the walls of Eastern sepulchres - images that borrow the outlines of man, and are yet of another race.

Well where did she say that she has all the answers and that all dissenting opinion is irrational, false, and wrong?

It's marked #0 because it comes after #119, although its implied in a lot of posts before that.

All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

It's marked #0 because it comes after #119, although its implied in a lot of posts before that.

She said you were "the most unreasonable person" on the forum, and I see that as unfair, but only after you were pretty harsh towards her as well. Not that its the end of the world for anyone or anything. Just sayin.

And now there came out of this building a form - human - was it human? ... It reminded me of symbolical images of Genius or Demon that are seen on Etruscan vases or limned on the walls of Eastern sepulchres - images that borrow the outlines of man, and are yet of another race.

She said you were "the most unreasonable person" on the forum, and I see that as unfair, but only after you were pretty harsh towards her as well. Not that its the end of the world for anyone or anything. Just sayin.

And now there came out of this building a form - human - was it human? ... It reminded me of symbolical images of Genius or Demon that are seen on Etruscan vases or limned on the walls of Eastern sepulchres - images that borrow the outlines of man, and are yet of another race.

She said you were "the most unreasonable person" on the forum, and I see that as unfair, but only after you were pretty harsh towards her as well. Not that its the end of the world for anyone or anything. Just sayin.

I think you're playing semantics but as you say its not important in the grand scheme of things.

All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture