tone marks for phrase "nali you"

When asking about where something is (directions), my book , which never uses tone marks has it as 那里 有. When I looked up 那里 on nciku it lists it as bothnǎli and nàli. Which tones for nali would be the correct ones in this case (3rd tone or 4th tone)? Is 有 3rd tone (yǒu) like the normal case of the verb to have?

the same goes for saying "over there" listed as 在 那里. I don't know what tones to use for "nali" in that case either : ((