Post by Mike D on Dec 19, 2013 0:24:58 GMT -5

Rules

1) The Referee randomly chooses from the 11 players three Mafiosi and one Inspector. All the rest are Townspeople. Each player is informed of their role via PM, and are not allowed to share that information with one another except in the official Mafia game thread. The Mafia are informed of one another's identity, and they are allowed to converse among themselves via PM. To put it plainly:a) If you are not a member of the mafia, do not discuss the mafia game outside the mafia thread with any other player or with any non-player who might discuss the game with a player.b) If you are a member of the mafia, you may discuss the game freely among your fellow mafia only. Do not discuss the game outside of this thread with any non-mafia player.

2) The Inspector is informed of his/her part, and also of the identity of one randomly chosen Mafia player. The inspector may at any time reveal their identity to the players within the thread. (see game play warnings above).

3) Each day a vote is held for the player to be eliminated. For online play, deliberation and voting is combined; thus, you can vote and explain yourself in the same post. Every player is free to change their vote at any point up until the last vote is in and the Ref declares that voting is closed. The Referee will then post the final tally, and announce which player is eliminated and how they died. Then will begin the Night portion of the round.

4) During the Night, the Mafia decide on the player they want to eliminate (assassinate), and inform the Referee via PM. Once the Referee receives this info, it is posted here in the thread, the player is eliminated, and the following Day begins.

5) Likewise during the night the Inspector will PM the Referee and guess one player's Mafia status. The Referee will respond with a 'yes' or 'no' answer.

6) Play continues until all the Mafia have been killed (Townspeople win), or the Mafia out number the Townspeople (Mafia win).

7) Player roles will not be revealed until the game has concluded.

8) AKA The Bek Rule: Players who have been eliminated are still welcome to post in this thread, but are asked to not say anything leading to any knowledge, suspicions or opinions you might have.

9) The Like Rule: Players may not "Like" another players post either alive or dead.

10) The ref will do the death stories/videos.

11) AKA The kdogg Rule: There will be no sharing of role PMs inside the thread or outside for the purpose of disclosing your role to another player. This also goes for password sharing. Common sense should be used, no discussion of your roles, except between Mafia, outside the thread - EVER.

12) Voting will be open for 36 hours each round, or until everyone has cast their vote - whichever comes first. Voting will never follow the 36-hour rule on the weekends. The Referee will only ever close voting on a Saturday or Sunday if all players have already cast their vote. If a player has not voted by that time, their vote will not be counted. If a player misses two votes, they are out of the game regardless of how good your reason is. When it is decided that a player is out, they will be killed off during the day alongside whoever would have been killed by vote.a) If the Inspector has not made a guess within 36 hours during a Night round, the Inspector will forfeit that guess.b) If the Mafia have not reported a whack victim within 36 hours during a Night round, the Mafia will forfeit that whack and the Townspeople will receive another round of voting during that Night round to offset the missed whack.

13) Nights will last 12 hours. Nights do not follow the weekend rule and will end once the 12 hours are completed unless extended by the referee.

14) The Referee shall neither answer an Inspector's inquiry nor execute a Mafia's chosen victim until after having received both the Inspector's inquiry and the Mafia's chosen victim. If the Inspector is the victim, the Inspector is not owed an answer from the Referee. The Referee shall only accept victim names from living Mafia players.

15) AKA The Bacon Rule: The bigger the whiner, the smaller the wiener.

Game notes:Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, New Years Eve, and New Years Day will be treated like a weekend. If all players have a vote in and discussion has died down, voting may close with ample notice. I will not close or penalize players over these four days. Some of us may be traveling or have busier schedules, but let's try our best to keep the game going at a reasonable pace considering.

As Christmas time approaches the lands of Bonnaroo, it's residents are preparing for the most joyous time of year. Gifts are being sent and final travel plans are being made for everyone to visit with friends and family. The last 11 folks in town are spending what they think will be a quiet and peaceful holiday season on the farm, but they have just discovered that three clever mafia-grinches are among them. Time is of the essence if the town wants to ensure that peace and love will be spread this year in time for Christmas. Can the town pull together and rid the land of the nasty mafia-grinches here to ruin the holiday spirit, or will evil prevail and create a path of death, destruction, and an all around bah-humbug attitude? Only time will tell, but the town has the numbers currently on their side and the great Inspector Santa working undercover. Santa had stumbled across one mafia grinch, but how far can that take him . . . . .

Post by odysseus on Dec 19, 2013 10:39:02 GMT -5

I'll swing it back at Bogart.

Ody>>>Bogart

Again, just want to remind yall that I have my last final tomorrow morning, then will be packing up a car and driving 3 1/2 hours. I'll try to check in once or twice between now and then, but not failing Bankruptcy/law school is a little more important than this game. Will be able to give it a full read through late tomorrow night.

Post by Hakuna on Dec 19, 2013 11:22:26 GMT -5

i didn't doubt that Viking and Jimmy would go right after each other this game. I also don't doubt that could be part of the plan should one of them be mafia. Between the 2 of them I feel like Jimmy would be more confident of being able to survive against Viking head to head than the other way around. He also has the "why would I stack" defense. Nothing concrete, just my early 2 cents. If you guys are both townies and just flexing your muscles at each other and going to force to the town to vote off a townie, we should at least try and get some reasoning on the table.

Post by WLViking on Dec 19, 2013 12:36:56 GMT -5

I don't feel like writing things in crayon for him this game, his reason sucked, he broke his standard first round voting style, and he was first to stack.

My first round voting style is to not have a voting partner. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

You are traditionally a late stacker on the first person to stack. That is the deviation, not the that you dont pick a VP. What is to say that I would not have VP ed with you that early in the game? I had not voted when you voted.

Odds do not change. There is a 1/11 chance I am inspector again. This is a pretty basic principle of Statistics. However, I am not inspector this game. Just a standard townie.

My question is why you think this is a valid reason? To me, it seems like you may be reaching for straws for a reason to vote for me, aside from your personal proclivities. It takes me back to how KDogg reached to get me run off in Mafia 50 which was an all-star game. He was pretty successful in doing that, but I nailed all 3 mafia in that game prior to leaving and the town won.

i didn't doubt that Viking and Jimmy would go right after each other this game. I also don't doubt that could be part of the plan should one of them be mafia. Between the 2 of them I feel like Jimmy would be more confident of being able to survive against Viking head to head than the other way around. He also has the "why would I stack" defense. Nothing concrete, just my early 2 cents. If you guys are both townies and just flexing your muscles at each other and going to force to the town to vote off a townie, we should at least try and get some reasoning on the table.

I am pretty confident I can out argue jimmy if need be, since i have done it in the past, but I really don't care to. The fact is, he had a pretty poor reason for voting for me, and has been pretty flippant and combative already in this game. I am open to moving or voting elsewhere and hearing other opinions since my opinion of him is colored by his spectacular failures in games past.

Jimmy, I am not going to whip out my dick so we can measure who is bigger. If you have a legitimate reason for voting for me, go for it. You have instigated it to this point. I am a townie, and if you are too, I would suggest backing off, and trying to find an actual mafia member this game.

Post by jimmyroo on Dec 19, 2013 12:51:08 GMT -5

You are traditionally a late stacker on the first person to stack. That is the deviation, not the that you dont pick a VP. What is to say that I would not have VP ed with you that early in the game? I had not voted when you voted.

Simply not true. I don't have a tendency to vote late, in fact, I generally vote very early if not first. And I don't pick VPs - which I understand to involve some level of agreement. I never agreed to exchange votes with you. So the fact that you may have voted for me is irrelevant.

Odds do not change. There is a 1/11 chance I am inspector again. This is a pretty basic principle of Statistics. However, I am not inspector this game. Just a standard townie

My question is why you think this is a valid reason? To me, it seems like you may be reaching for straws for a reason to vote for me, aside from your personal proclivities.

I think its as good a reason as an arbitrary vote, at the least. Plus I do not believe, despite assurances from referees, that roles are always selected randomly. So the fact that you were inspector last game is relevant IMO when trying to make a less than arbitrary vote.

I doubt there will be many legitimate reasons for first round votes. We're still on page 1. But I have no real reason to switch my vote to anyone else yet, so I'm just going to keep my vote where it is.

Post by krissyjo on Dec 19, 2013 12:58:41 GMT -5

I agree with having Jimmy and Viking in the runoff, since they're both very vocal. It's really up in the air for me who to have as the third right now as those two have been the only ones with a bit of action so far.

I'm trying to let go of feelings from the last game, but can't help but be a bit cautious reading any of Viking's posts because of how he found suspicion in everything I posted til my early townie demise. I think the super aggressive tactic can be helpful, but it can also hurt, and unfortunately we won't know which it's doing til the end.

Post by WLViking on Dec 19, 2013 14:08:01 GMT -5

Thor Galore, we are going to have to agree to disagree on point 1. As for calling out the ref and the assignation of roles, again, it feel it is a reach, but if you want to approach it that way, it still does not change the odds. In my experience in this game, Mike D is a random assigner, but you can debate that with him. You have conveniently reduced any way to search for other people in round 1, so I am resigned to you voting for me at this point. You are voting for a townie, but I have a feeling that does not matter to you since this is either motivated by you being mafia or you wanting to prove yourself in some way.

I agree with having Jimmy and Viking in the runoff, since they're both very vocal. It's really up in the air for me who to have as the third right now as those two have been the only ones with a bit of action so far.

I'm trying to let go of feelings from the last game, but can't help but be a bit cautious reading any of Viking's posts because of how he found suspicion in everything I posted til my early townie demise. I think the super aggressive tactic can be helpful, but it can also hurt, and unfortunately we won't know which it's doing til the end.

I'm tempering it back a bit this game because aside from Jimmyroo's vendetta, there has not been too much to go on. Your posts last game fit with who I knew to be mafia, and who I suspected to be mafia in addition to being suspicious.

That's part of what is bugging me about Jimmy's posts and vote. If he is a townie, it could be his personal feelings entering into the game and causing us to go astray. Or, it could be he is mafia and coming at me in order to not leave a vote link like Tejas to you to Mike D last game. He was safest voting for me if he was mafia. Hakuna hit this on the head. He expected him to vote for me because of the past, and he could argue he stacked when he did not have to. It is a great cover if he is mafia. I am torn between trying to ignore his targeting because I think he is just an @ss or thinking it may actually be a mafia ploy.

As I said, I am trying to temper it, and not go all out because I do not know as much, and as I said in my previous post, I don't like Jimmy. I do not want that to color my opinion. I aggressively attacked you because I actually liked you, and knew that disliking you was not coloring my judgement.

I think it would help to have a third person in the runoff, but I am concerned that it has become too polarized already. I know I am a townie, and I am not sure about Jimmy, but he has created a perfect cover for the mafia to hide. If we put a third in, we would need to really consider that person, or it is just extending the back and forth between Jimmy and I, similar to ella being in the runoff last game. If Jimmy is mafia, he is counting on being able to run me out based on my reputation, and counting on having at least 1 vote in reserve, and a second if needed.

Post by WLViking on Dec 19, 2013 16:32:20 GMT -5

Lol, you have "polarized" this game so far more than anyone, Viking. If you kept your vote on Bacon and let things play out we wouldn't be in this situation. So ease up on your spin.

So I was suppose to let you stack on me and not say anything? Jimmy, you are really reaching here. First, you know I always change votes. You commented on it last game. Second, you know I address issues head on in this game. So in this situation, I am going to react to your polarization. BTW, this is basic logic, not spin. Spinning is rearranging the facts to suit your story. Didn't you have that class at some point in your lawyer training?

As I have said in previous posts, you are either antagonizing me because you are mafia or you want to prove something. I have not explained which one it is, but I don't blame you because going one way means you are mafia, and the other means you are purposefully shooting the town in the foot.

I like the Viking Jimmy runoff. Good polarizing debate that will split the crowd. I would be okay keeping it as it is or throwing in a third.

Not having a 3rd in a first round runoff would probably be a mistake.

Not saying I disagree with you, but what's your angle here? Is it just for self-preservation, or is there another person you find particularly shady? Either reason is valid, I'm just curious. Also, why were you so keen on "things playing out" with Viking voting for Bacon?

Not saying I disagree with you, but what's your angle here? Is it just for self-preservation, or is there another person you find particularly shady? Either reason is valid, I'm just curious. Also, why were you so keen on "things playing out" with Viking voting for Bacon?

I always suggest that the town should put 3 people in the first round runoff, and then have a 2 person runoff. I think its beneficial for building a voting record. It's not simply for self-preservation. It's genuinely in the best interests of the town. Although not getting voted off is also a benefit since I'm a townie, but that's besides the point.

Also, I'm not keen at all on things playing out with Viking voting for Bacon. I have literally no idea whether Bacon is a townie or a mafia. And I don't have any specific inclination for who should be a 3rd in the runoff. The whole point was to illustrate that we have a "polarization" between myself and Viking because Viking decided to stack me into the runoff as the 2nd person and is inundating us with novels for posts.

Also, WLViking, how is it NOT spin when you make up some blatant BS about me having a tendency to late stack the first person who stacks. That's 100% undeniably not true. And you "agreeing to disagree" is just complete horsesh!t. Anyone who plays this game often enough with me knows that you're making up some complete BS. I almost always vote early in the round. Waaaaaay more often than not.