When ever I read a reply/comment like this I always think of the meme "GRAVITY! It's the LAW!" (Usually with a picture of some one about to face-plant from some great height, usually in a painfully hilarious way).

(06-10-2014 08:40 AM)natachan Wrote: I would love to have an honest talk about morality and where it comes from. I would love to talk about the way that we process and comrehend the universe. But I am disappointed to find that this isn't what you want.

You're falling back on the "absolute truth" and logic arguments. To sum up what I've said earlier on these subjects, absolute truth does not exist outside of mathematics and other systems which are clearly defined, and that math and logic are tools created in minds to deal with the universe we find ourselves in. God is not required. And you have provided no reason to believe that he is other than "it would be convenient if he were." That isn't a valid argument. It would be convenient if I could materialize bagels out of thin air while I was studying, that doesn't mean I can.

Either put a reason to believe your god exists or don't. I don't care. But stop pretending you have some knock-out argument when every point can be refuted by a freshman philosophy student.

Except that you have to use logic to know anything about logic. You're thinking in a circle.

*eye twitch*

Did you even read what I wrote? Logic is a tool made in the mind of intelligent beings in order to deal with the world we find ourselves in. I'm sure there's a neuroscientist somewhere who can explain it better.

Logic isn't a rule. It won't transcend humans. It isn't absolute.

It is a tool. Created by intelligent beings. It is evidence of an intelligent observer, not an intelligent designer.

I don't even bother to read his shit any more it's so devoid of intellect and I know that his response (when he is not evading) will be similarly devoid of any substance or thought. He's a troll guys, you will never once get an actual conversation out of him because he knows he is wrong. He knows he is obviously, clearly, and demonstrably wrong. Which is why he says what he does, because it is SO stupid that we have little choice but to attack it and get frustrated by his continued act of dishonest and idiotic propping up of arguments he knows to be wrong for the sake of controversy. He is a drama whore, a man drooping blood is a shark tank to watch the waves roll.
He is fully aware his position is idiotic, but he needs the attention and I don't blame him.....this is as close as he will get to an accomplishment is his life.

It is held that valour is the chiefest virtue and most dignifies the haver.