Things In Europe Go From Bad To Worse As Germany's FDP Party Seeks Referendum Over EFSF

No sooner has the EFSF "passed" the German constitutional court (with large caveats, most notably that the German government will have a much greater say in any and all future European bailouts, assuming such are actually needed and the Euro does not implode), that we learn that yet another hurdle for the Greek bailout presents itself courtesy of primary fund provider, Germany, which is now finally very angry (as suggested first here "The Fatal Flaw In Europe's Second "Bazooka" Bailout: 82 Million Soon To Be Very Angry Germans, Or How Euro Bailout #2 Could Cost Up To 56% Of German GDP" two months ago) at what it realizes is an ongoing transfer without checks and balances (remember: the insolvent PIIGS hold all the trump cards) of capital from Europe's prudent workers to those who are, well, not. To wit, according to the Spiegel, German FDP Party has just announced that it will seek a referendum on the ESM/EFSF. What this means is that while the hurdle is not insurmountable from a legal perspective, it will merely add further uncertainty to the final bailout of a country that according to the market at least is 100% bankrupt in an alternative universe in which fundamentals matters.

Several front against the Liberals make permanent euro rescue ESM. With a membership vote, a group wants to prevent the FDP politician Schäffler and stag party for the approval of the aid package.

The Christian Lindner letter reached Friday afternoon by 17 clock by messenger. Since then, should the weekends of the FDP-General to be thrown overboard. In order to prevent the approval of the FDP faction in the Bundestag for permanent euro rescue ESM in the fall, a group aimed at the euro-skeptic Frank Schäffler and the Old Liberals Burkhard Hirsch, a membership vote on. "The discussion in the FDP on more measures to rescue debt-ridden countries in Europe is an important political issue and requires a broad discussion in the FDP," it said in a letter to FDP General Secretary Christian Lindner on Friday. The letter is from SPIEGEL ONLINE.

In a decision that the critics of the euro rescue measures apply to "permanent emergency measures for which Germany is liable for the debts of other European states." It continues: "The FDP opposes hence the establishment of a permanent European Stability Mechanism (ESM)." Should not the previously agreed measures prove to be sufficient, says the FDP in favor of over-indebted countries in an orderly exit from the to allow Euro to avoid a messy break-up of our currency. "

For Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) and the FDP, the party leadership is bad news. And it comes at an inopportune time. Just ECB chief economist Juergen Stark has resigned. In addition, the conservative-liberal government is currently fighting for the majority of the extended, temporary rescue EFSF. Now threatens the later vote on the following permanent pilot chute for ESM to be cliffhanger. Lacks the Chancellor with such a central issue in European politics with a majority, it could mean the end for the black-yellow coalition.

Especially since it is not excluded that the Euro-critics with their application be successful. 3,400 signatures have to collect the protesters for the action, which is five percent of about 68,000 FDP members. It provides for the Rules of Procedure. The last and only time the FDP had consulted their members in 1997 when the Great eavesdropping. The party leadership has the opportunity to amend the critics with its own alternative proposal to counter. One-third of the members involved in the decision, the result is official policy position of the FDP. The faction in the Bundestag must vote accordingly.

Initiator of the request is € tireless critic Frank Schäffler. That he is supported by Burkhard Hirsch, a Liberal of the old school, his concerns should give a new impetus. "I'm for Europe. But I am afraid that the way we want to save the euro, it says that we will divide Europe at the end," said Hirsch SPIEGEL ONLINE. "I am against a slide into a debt union. So far, all the billions we have paid to Greece, led to no result."

We expect the market will take the usual several hours to process this.

Germans have history of world wars. Don't make them angry. They are already angry from Mercedes Benz association with Chrysler.

WSJ..."FRANKFURT—Jürgen Stark, Germany's top representative on the European Central Bank's executive board, is resigning, a blow to an institution struggling with its credibility in Germany over its controversial decision to restart its government bond-purchase program."

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i think what everyone needs to notice here is the classic sleight of hand played by the.........wait for it..... CORPORATIONS.

Keep the people buried with political shennanigans, distractions, perhaps soem religion thrown in.....but the corporations always come out fine!

Germany is booming in India. As is Japan. Just BOOMING. Japan has the low end, Germany has the high end. Both have been here a long time, Mercedes Benz, Bosch, Siemens, BMW......name it. Honda, Toyota, Komatsu, all plum partnerships with India's sell out Globalists the tatas, mahindras, ambanis...

They will have no problem leaving German's/Japanese hanging if push comes to shove. They never outsourced here, set up factories, both countries. With primary German ownership and management.

The corporations are doing fine, using simple labour arbitrage and regulatory capture and bribery to spin their web around the globe.

It's not about the Germans or the Greeks or the Americans or the Indians.....

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thanks for the fortune telling! and helping the zHeads to understand current events more deeply

if "germany sinks the EU", will you and yer touch-hole buddy, falak penis, go back to telling the whole world how "germany won WWII"? you haven't mentioned that "thesis" since the german high court ruled (cum caveats) that the euro bonds weren't "illegal" have ya?

A nationwide referendum is the next logical step for the FDP to call for. Such referendums will be called for in other countries too, like Finland, Slovenia, Slovakia, and ... The euro-elites won't be able to keep control of the political process.

This is true, but the reason this is powerful is that in a secrecy of the ballot booth, people will vote to be German and not European.

Politicians in parties might fear being told they are returning to nationalism and not being good Europeans if they speak out so publicly, but the public . . . in secret . . . will vote their own pocketbooks every single time.

A referendum vote by the people would kill all the bailouts. It's powerful.

This is a time game now, a match between how long it all gets stretched out, and how long it takes Greece to officially default. Although in the end I don't think the ECB would ever allow the latter to happen.

How does debt default result in hyperinflation of the Euro ? It doesn't. The Euro will fall just like the currencies in the Asian financial crisis but it will not hyperinflate. The dollar sure will though.

There are "markets" (multiple bets on the year-end EUR/USD ratio on Intrade, but unfortunately trading is thin and spreads are wide. I have an offer in, at 50:1, that the euro will reach parity with the dollar, but there have been no bids. I have managed to place a few short sales on the eur/usd ratio at other levels. Here's the link:

Germans are about to make liverwurst out of any of their politicians that support the EU 'redistribution mechanism,' so their politicians are trying to hatch schemes as to how they can perpetuate the Ponzi on the sly, aka stealth-like.

But they can't, and they won't, because it's not possible at this point...

Why not stick with the "every thing that's wrong with X is what's right with X" line? After all, it could apply to everything.

You should be honest from now on and admit that the ECB has less gold than even the netherlands: (as of May 2011) 501.4 tonnes, 18.8% of its total reserves, market value: $18.6 billion. No sovereigns are going to give an ounce more to the ECB if gold actually begins to see its historical persona.

The ECB is loaded with public debts of member states and there is no end in sight. It is officially not beholden to political interests but of course it is. It is not technically intertwined with SocGen but the ability to recapitalize off the back of the French will be severely compromised if SocGen pulls a Lehman. The ECB is also officially unallowed to *directly* monetarize the European States' deficit spending, which just means that there's a magical "off-balance sheet" entity which gets inserted between point A and point B. And there are also 16 little National banks all transferring the shit from their balance sheets to the ECB, hoping somebody else defaults first - guess who? Opa! Balance sheet acrobatics does not a solid bank make.

Perhaps Spitzy and I can agree on one thing: if you have Dollars, buy gold. if you have Euros, buy gold.

A rising dollar thru the 200 is the FED's worst possible nightmare....they survive by devaluing the dollar to keep their phony assets inflated. This could end very badly any minute, the FED central banksters will spare no lives to save themselves.

Of course all idiots like Robo sees is a green color and get excited like a dumb cow,

So what would they do to combat the flight to the USD? The only thing they know is to print. Do they have enough ink on hand, or are you saying they'd have to unleash the $1B FRN...? What's a Ben to do?

Prudent workers me hole - here is how it worked , reduce fiscal defecits at the core , thus hyperinflating credit - give it to Irish , Iberian and Greek banks - let them destroy capital through malinvestment - wait 15 years until no more wealth can be extracted and buy Gold with your loot.

Germans & French have been betrayed by their own banks - their domestic capital investment has imploded since 1992.

It's funny how so many are increasing their bearish sentiment either about the US or EU; Zuckerman, Roubini, Feldstein, Greenspan...and simultaneously Gold is not going up but is being covered in the media as a safe haven.

the fdp will fail spectacularly - even if they win at the ballot box the german high court will rule the objection unconstitutional or claim that the plaintiffs have no standing.....

david rockefeller asserted during the 1970s latin american debt crises that sovereigns do not go bankrupt, and so shall it be.....after all, it isn't a government at risk of failing but a cabal of banksters.....and that, my friend, shall never happen....

that according to the market at least is 100% bankrupt in an alternative universe in which fundamental matters

The bulk of the discussion on this site are about markets NOT reflecting fundamentals. I guess the key to understanding markets is that they are only correct when they price in complete bankruptcy, given that the world is bankrupt, huh?

it will be an unmitigated disaster as market quickly prices in same for Portugal, Italy etc. Lehman X 10. Possibility >25% of trade cessation within Europe and beyond. Possibility ~10% of grid going down and grocery stores empty etc. (some think I exaggerate, these things are possibilities not certainties, but I have researched this for years -what if EUR not accepted for trade/LOCs. The leverage and complexity of current international trade system would take your breath away -and the market is focused only on 'the market' forgetting that certain aspects of finance can spill directly and urgently into our physical systems). "good articles"? No

I think Tyler's underestimating the situation in Germany: debt/GDP is right behind France's. Banks are insolvent too. Aging population with restricted immigration. Huge entitlements: Average Germans get 6 weeks paid vacation per year and expect free healthcare, education and pensions and work week is 38-42 hours. In other words far worse than US entitlements where the population is younger

the entire take home lesson fropm lehman is "keep dropping the market until you get what you want (if you are a bank)

think about it, trigger a greek default, get your cdes protection paid, take the bonds, have them traded ibto the ecb (will get a fair percent here because they are so afraid), and those who get in trouble for writing cds will get bailed out. If done right the banks can make money from the tax payer three ways here. the Goldman sachs trick!!!

Coincidence that one of the worst bankers in Europe is about to take the helm at the ECB? Mario Draghi, the governor of the Bank of Italy, will succeed Jean-Claude Trichet, whose eight-year term is ending in October. This reminds me of when Tim Geithner got promoted to Treasury Secretary after completely botching his job as NY Fed president.