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The 1980s was when a lot of this rot started. The destruction of our manufacturing sector didn't just begin 13 years ago. If it hadn't been for Thatcher and her vegetable cabinet then the Labour party would have never had a landslide, and would never have lasted 3 terms. The popularity of Labour was as much about the eroding of the working class identity and hatred of the Conservatives as it was about the shiny new happy clappy Tony Blair.

The 1980's. All that Coke. The hedonism, the greed (remember Gordon Gecko?).

All the rioting, the closure of British industry, including the Mines, the Trains, the Cars, the Steel, the GPO, British Gas, The Electricity Board, the Corporation Buses, the scrapping of everything North of Watford.

Forget all that shipbuilding nonsense.

Don't bother yourself with milk and bread delivered to your doorstep, when you can get it, at a loss, from a multi-national.

Forget your own national and cultural identity. Try a bit of multi-cult.

Either way I'm starting to get annoyed at this poster malarkey. I just want to see a list of REAL policy. Actual practical ideas that I can make informed decisions about.

Rhetoric is pissing me off. Brown's claim to be on the Catholic side is risible. His government has been the most anti-Catholic since before Wellington emancipated us.

They claim that they will do something about the economy and the NHS but don't really state what. Why is there no investment in manufacture? Why don't they stop providing un-Hippocratic services on the NHS? Why don't they make British citizenship a prerequisite to receiving benefit?. Why don't they allow us to leave the EU. If anything that would improve our economy. We could create an economic union with the Commonwealth which doesn't restrict free and fair trade with developing nations or ban chemicals which are vital to a prosperous heavy industry.

When Robert Carr, the Conservative employment secretary, proposed industrial relations reform, which he claimed, represented "fairness and weasonableness" and was told by the TUC to stick it up his fundament and apply a lighted match.

When Edward Heath called an election in February 1974 on the specific issue "Who runs the country - the Government or the coal miners?" (The country, albeit by a narrow margin, decided on the coal miners).

When, during the infamous winter of discontent, bodies were left unburied and Denis Healey's "sensible" policies resulted in him having to go cap in hand to the IMF to bail us out.

If we could only go back to these times! Then more people might understand why Mrs Thatcher got in and the 1980s were like they were.

Or let me put it another way. What do people think would have happened if we'd had another 5 years of Labour in 1979 instead?

"What do people think would have happened if we'd had another 5 years of Labour in 1979 instead?"

Um, I don't think we could have had another five years of ANYTHING in 1979. It wasn't long enough. As it was, Thatcher called the next election in 1983, four years on, to cash in on "The Falklands Factor".

Personally, I wonder what the 1980s would have been like if Reagan had not got in in 1980. That was where the 1980s truly began. America's effect on the world economy can not be negated. Even the acronym "yuppie" was coined in America after Reagan was elected.

Since that fatefull day when when Gordon Brown went to Buckingham palace and made his speech "let the work of change begin" , little did we know he was to become the baseball bat of marxism , floods pesetelence ,ID cards , european ghost train ride , 50% of the UK banking sector in public ownership etc etc .Now we are to get a little more foggy , Gordon Brown is a a tough man for tough times ! might as well have tax man for ecnomic term of incompetance.Why would anyone even want to vote for the man that run the economy as a private bordello under the guise of hospitality .

The 80s were decade of change and new realities some of which gave Labour a fantastic ecnomic hand in 1997. Now Labour cannot even determine how a NI increase will hit the vunerable.

But please, please don't make me go back to the 1970's....I still have nightmares about stealing turnips, at the dead of night, from a farmer's field, in order to feed my family. I couldn't afford to pay my mortgage AND buy food!

Things seemed just about perfect then on a personal and national level. Low inflation, peace coming in NI, house prices slowing rising, economy under control, the EU menacing but still distant. If the words, "you ant never had it so good," ever meant anything much, it certainly did 13 years ago. Oh what a wonderful place this would have been by now under another 3 terms of John Major and his almost perfectly ineffective non-government.

However that brief period of bliss was never going to be allowed to exist for long, the establishment and their BBC made sure of that. Sure as Neil Hamilton is now seen as a relatively sleaze free statesman like parliamentarian.

Some believe we got the Prime Minister and government we deserved back in 97. They would be wrong. We get the government the establishment want to give us to get, or the government gets Sorosed, or the PM gets stabbed in the back by the rest of the Bilderburgers, something similar, or indeed worse.

The establishment have plans for this place and THEIR World, which will happen sooner or later. It could be anything from a repeat of 1929 to WW3, the Jewish Holocaust to something worse or not any where near as bad. Who can really tell?

The establishment make plans often many decades in advance, they do not always go exactly the way they want then to. For out of deliberately made chaos always comes some kind of new order. A New World Order, you might say.

But plans they have and they are undoubtedly going to be big game changers.

My advice is to trust no one, not even myself or his Grace. This is not the product of a paranoid mind speaking. Just a VERY well informed well adjusted and highly sensible one.

"I did not get to where I am today," as they say, by being wrong too often or unjustifiably paranoid.

For whatever one might have thought about Thatcher one way or another, the last 13 years must surely have been a shock to even the most partisan of Conservative Voters. Not myself you understand I knew then that the election of what was plane to me at the time was an MI5 trained highly selected operative, namely Tony Blai, was going to mark the beginning of the end for our rather too comfortable way of life.

Cameron also has that way about him that makes me think he is far too polished for our good. To good to be true, you might say.

Camerons election s party leader was a set up from start to finish. Hardly any one in the Conservative membership had even heard of the man. Two months later he was elected with over 70%. Central office reps were sent round to every constituency party putting the word round about Cameron being as good as the obvious second coming. Far too fishing for my liking.

Brown was set up to do the real dirty work and take the fall before he had even been elected as an MP.

You think not? Then think again, and again until the very nasty truth finally sinks in.

There are unseen hands and all seeing eyes operating at every level of our society these days. It seems that the establishment are taking no chances this time.

Cameron may well turn out to be relatively better then sliced breed. But he is The Establishments new man make no mistake.

There was problems in the 80s, but nothing like what we have now. Cameron would have to be a genius and the son of God in order to return to those conditions now.

Our entire economic system has collapsed. The Anglican and Catholic churches are in total disaray. Our Nation is flooded with immigrants of which a high proportion want to blow us all up. Our Parliamentary system has been reduced to snake shit inside a viper's nest.

I was in Germany in the 80's serving in the RAF without a God dam care in the world, except maybe where my next beer was coming from. I would quite happily go back if I had a time machine.

The popular TV drama Ashes to Ashes depicts some of the changing times in the early 80's. Sticking Dave on the iconic Audi a classic collectors car used in the series and posing as DCI Gene Hunt the strong yet fair cop who cracks and wins the cases is a bit of an own goal for Labour isn't it?

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