I'm looking for more tradinional hull shape like the contessa26, alberg30,douglas32. I don't know what but something strange attracts me to that kind of boats. I guess I really like their under water lines.

Do you know of any small boat builder that builds more traditional sailboat?
Sure those light and super fast boat looks like a blast to sail but my thing is more cruising, and for cruising I would be better off with a sailboat with a nice full keel.

Sorry if this question as all ready been asked before, I don't really feel like reading all of the 70 pages...

Yes, it was asked before and the answer was:

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Originally Posted by PCP

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Ben, regarding your question, the European ones that used to have full keels on the 70's and 80's, like Halberg Rassy or Malo, all moved up to some sort of fin keel, a more substantial one, if compared with faster cruising boats.

I can only remember an European brand that had proposed a new line of full keel cruisers. That was four years ago? and I never heard of them again. I don't know if they managed to make any boat, but I am quite sure they are out of business. They were nice looking boats, but heavy, slow and expensive. I Doubt that there is a market for that kind of boats.

There are some builders that still make old designs with a full keel, among them the 27 ft Vancouver (now 28ft). The bigger Vancouvers have already some sort of mix between a full keel and a Fin.

But the one I really like (I want one of those when I am really old ) is the Marieholm 33. It is still made and it is an incredible beautiful boat. I have been inside of one and I can tell you that has one wonderful interior, really cozy. One of the nicest I Have ever seen.

And I would add that today a full keel on a new design would be an anachronism. Sure you can have more traditional cruisers, even classical ones and there are several of them in the market, but all with modern bulbed keels.

If you look at the thread you will find several cruisers that fit that criteria: the Morris, the Faurby and the Nordborg, all beautiful and all with a modern keel.

The only boats that are still made with full keel are old designs that have some very reduced (almost custom) production. There are not new designs with a full keel and by a good reason, they don't offer any advantage and have many disadvantages.

The real problem is that these kind of boats are expensive to made and for the price of one of these you can buy a 36ft (or bigger) from any of the big mass production boat companies. For a similar seaworthiness you will have a lot more space and more speed.

That's the real reason why you don't find many nice seaworthy small cruisers. Sailors prefer to spend their money in a bigger boat.

..Old Phillipe S must be mellowing in his old age. Paulo, do you remember that thing he designed for Beneteau in the late seventies or early eighties ?

Have an idea. It was a strange thing But I have a big respect for the guy. Love lots of its designs and he lives well, with good taste. Do you know that he lives on Formentera and that his normal vehicle for going shopping or elsewhere is a hobie cat?

He designed one that seems that is going to be produced by hobie Europa. I am not sure if I like the functional aspect, but its certainly different. I am very curious to see one and reserve my opinion till that moment

Paulo,
We worked with a Spanish furniture maker in the late eighties who was the first furniture maker to use Stark designs. I've always liked his designs though some of them would be very hard to actually live with. As you say, he seems to live well with good taste which is somewhat unusual these days.
I knew that PS had a house in Barcelona but not Formentera. What a lovely island. Probably getting over developed now but when I went there a decade ago it was wonderful. Spanish style, elegent, fabulous bars and restaurants but still with a dash of counter culture.
Cheers
Andrew

That E210 is a kewl looking boat for a trailer sailor! Looks like the motor goes thru the hull and belo ala a saildrive style, but pulls up with a flush bottom somehow? way kewl if it does that.

Hoping to get onboard a J409 at the Seattle show this week. If not, I'll get by the dealer to take a peak. It will be interesting to see the new design look and feel vs the older more recent and as far back as 25 yrs like my Arcadia.

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