I agree with Brian, if you can't walk a few feet to do your deed, to keep things clean,maybe you should rethink things. A lot of people use this area and really don't want to stand around in your pee...

Climbed the Scruffy Band w/ "Wally" yesterday. The lower half of the flow took 10cm screws and the upper took 13 and 16cm ones... The exit out left to the trees seemed to be the crux requiring a bit of mixed climbing and a few cams were helpful (metolius orange master cam and BD #2 were placed). The pins are two knife blades approx 100ft up before you bust left.

Nick, I sent you a text about climbing tomorrow. I am only in town until the 3rd and am trying to get as much climbing done as possible so let me know if you are still interested. My phone number is 435.901.2679

Funny cause i just woke from this dream. Joe's is going to be great. Everything including Spear and the Ampitheater will be in. Sun will shine, birds will sing, you'll send the mixed route behind Donor, onsite. The creek will be frozen and there will be a trail in the snow but the routes will have no evidence of privious activity. There will be toilet paper in the outhouse and folks grilling and drinking home brew in the parking lot who offer you both food and drink. You be warm all day and find $20 in a coat pocket.

Climbed scruffy band on thursday, the ice is good, a little thin in places. There is a nice V-thread about 50' up.

Also climbed a little on the Fang in Provo canyon yesterday(saturday), the ice is filling in nice. There is still running water on the top pitch, doesn't look like it can be climbed without getting drenched.