I think both NaVi and ESC might very well get to the very top. But there's also the chance they just won't make it anymore. After playing a certaing game for a decade and getting old don't work in their favour. 1.6 mechanics are deep in their spines, it's not easy changing to another game. TaZ has made it work, he has been brilliant, but fe. neo is nowhere near what he used to be. Maybe it's the movement mechanics causing neo all the trouble

maybe its the role he plays in esc in go, if im correct he supports and in 1.6 he was the fragger? yes? look at him in the all star game when he was left to just play and not support his team mates. maybe its just a change of role x

I agree. If he would be on 1.6 level no team would "waste" him on playing support.
His all star performance proved nothing, it was show match and not a real game.
He is good, but not awesome. If ESC want to be on top they need Neo to improve.

It is easy not to like NiP. Nobody likes a player / team who never loses. Insecure kids do, because it is easier to cheer for the unbeatable. That way they won't have to feel bad when their favourite horse loses.

Would have been a lot easier than in CS 1.6 for sure, but I stayed with CS 1.6 because the game was simply better for competition and I enjoyed it a lot more (though I also played CSS from time to time (some real life friends forced me) and surprisingly I did better than in CS 1.6). Let's say it this way: If my only goal would have been becoming "successful", I would have played CSS, because the chance of reaching the top was a lot higher than in CS 1.6 (but then again CSS wasn't as big and international as CS 1.6 (no IEM, no WCG, no eStars, ... less fans and viewers ... was more a thing of being top in your own country), so being "top" wouldn't have been as valuable as in CS 1.6 (not to forget that most "top teams" in CSS didn't get a salary)).

i agree there was more top teams in cs 1.6. but it doesnt mean you could go into source and become a top player still takes dedication and hours of deathmatch or trolling through demos the high standard in source was still very high and not "easy" shall we say good sir!

You can't really be serious about putting VP in 1st. / 2nd. place?! VP is playing well and they beat NiP, but look a the stats.. VP has played SUPERIOR at 1, and I repeat 1, event where they beat NiP on 3 maps and claimed the trophy.

Other then that, they have been playing like VG - good, but just not good enough to cut it. WW is by far a better team then VG - eod.

And I got to laugh, Anexis in top 5?! What the holy hel*! Whet is it exactly they have done to make them qualify for the 5th. place over fx. Lemondogs or any other team fx.?

Not a chance VP will dethrone NiP. I bet next tournament these teams clash, NiP will win every map they play. Yes, that's right. NiP wasn't happy with their play last encounter and want revenge, let's see how it goes if they also actually study VP tactics and not just VP looking out their strats.

And you think VP will be sitting around with a thumb up their asses doing nothing? You can be sure that they will be even better than last time and quite possibly beat NiP once again, just with a closer map score 2 to 1. Count on it.

It's a lot easier to win against a team if you lose the four pre games. VP could go back and see their strengths and weakness every time they lost against NiP. NiP on the other hand didn't lose against them until this tournament, so they didn't radically change their play style against them. Now NiP has seen the demos etc.

NiP will break them next tournament, just because they did some stupid mistakes in the starladder tournament, doesn't mean they'll do it again the next. They just have to play their safe regular style and not lose 4 anti ecos and VP will be raped back to Moscow.

1. TCM was a MIX, not a team.
2. VG beat anexis on many occasions on lan.
3. alternate places 2nd at CPH because they played well, their history does not shout top in source.
4. VG we're THE most successful team in source, they won the most events and went near enough 2 years undefeated at LAN.
5. fnatic, ESC and n!faculty are better than alternate, ww and fnatic have had close games online and on lan, but overal the danish scene has plenty of players who are skillful.

To put it in short, your ideology and knowledge of this game is weak and you're a awesome troll.

lolclown strikes again.
So...NiP=WW?
And WW are better than VG?
And VP are better than NiP,not even equal...
This means that fnatic is top2 because they defeat WW three times in a row and WW=NiP.
The most retard user of HLTV strikes again.

I gotta feeling people are overrating VP: NiP played pretty bad on starladder, GTR had like his worst GO tournament so far, and VP were supported by a huge crowd on their home soil (technically)
VP by no means destroyed NiP; in fact, games were really close, and I wonder what makes masses think it will not be 16-14 for NiP next time.

don't forget that VP have two ukrainians in their team, not to mention that half the population of Ukraine consider Russian to be their mothertongue. it's pretty obvious that everyone was cheering for VP that day.

Lets face it, CS:GO needs Na`Vi to be in the top since they have a huge fanbase. This same thing applies to ESC and fnatic, they have a very big fanbase. And having these teams topping and in the finals will considerably grow the amount of spectators but until that forget it.

NaVi if anything is getting worse and ESC has stagnated. ESC will have to make a player change and they probably will become competitors. But how to fix NaVi? As Ron White would say, you cant fix stupid.

I don't think it's like that at all. ESC won't change any player for sure. And I don't speak of the teams as if they are good or bad, I say that CS:GO needs these teams to be good because of the fanbase size they have and it will help to get more spectators.

ESC won't change players for sure? Are you sure about that? History + chemistry only go so far when you have sponsors wasting money to see you underperform so frequently. Before summer ends, I think you will see ESC making personnel changes. NaVi can probably coast by with mediocrity as they have a large fanbase along the lines of the Chicago Cubs where they will follow you win or lose, except they (NaVi) were once a winning team.

I hope not! Surely CSGO gods won't allow this team of haters to win anything? You just don't trash the game for so long and except to become the greatest, right??? If there's justice in the world Navi will just fade away empty-handed :<