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Subject: Re: Rust
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Good morning, Russell. TYes, The use of aspirin is well-founded in a few ==
obscure articles in the botanical literature starting many years back. =
I summarized much of it and referenced key articles in a brief article I ==
wrote for the Aril Society International, which also contained a plea =
for a bit of experimentation.
See: A Solution for Erwinia. Aril Society International. Yearbook =
1997, pp. 10-20. The dilution I used was 4 325 mg. tablets in 2 gal of =
tapwater. based on sheer guesswork and trying to extrapolate from the =
laboratory values cited in the literature. Unfortunately nobody has =
picked up on it, that I am aware of, although I heard that the article =
was reprinted in the North American Lily Society's (?) publication.
Write me off line with your address and I'll send you a photocopy. =
Cordially, Adam Fikso
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Coker
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Rust
I hope this isn't a stupid question...
Is the rust on Arisaemas the same thing that infects day lilies? I =
have a pretty fierce arsenal of chemicals and fungicides that I've been =
using on the day lilies, but this year I've decided to stop all of that =
nonsense. Some plants are perfectly clean, while the plant next to it =
may be hit really hard. This is going to be my summer to see who has a =
real resistance - and thin the herd.
Most of the Arisaemas I've liberated from pots are to the rear of the =
bed in the shade under big sasanquas that is fronted by the day lilies, =
about 7 feet behind them. Should I be worried?
Adam, have you ever tried your aspirin solution on anything other than ==
Arisaemas? What is your ratio? I may go ahead and hit the Arisaemas to ==
be on the safe side. I'd also like to try it on the day lilies. I =
think it would be interesting to spray and drench an infected plant, =
then wait a few days and completely defoliate it and see if the =
resistance is better with the second crop of foliage.
Does anyone have any guess as to the ratio for the ich medication for =
spraying on plants? I'd love to try it too. I'd much rather spray a =
harmless dye than these harsh chemicals.
To the Alpine-L subscribers, if any other info comes along would you =
please share it with us?
Thanks!
Russell (8b)
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Fikso
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Rust
New to me, and fascinating. It shouln't be too expensive to go to =
your local pet shop or aquarium and get some, put it various dilutions =
in a spray bhottle and try it out. I've found an aspirin spray and =
drench to get rid of it for the following year, but no treatment that =
takes it out on the spot.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim McClements, Dover, DE z6
To: ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:59 AM
Subject: Rust
Those of you who subscribe to Alpine-L will know that for the past ==
week there's been an ongoing discussion about Arisaema rust, its cause =
and treatments, most of which has previously been covered on this list.
However, a posting yesterday, copied below, brings a dimension to =
rusts that was news to me. Are there any treatments out there that =
incorporate this knowledge into something practical? Has anyone tried =
eother of the 2 dyes mentioned?
DNA testing has removed most rusts from Kingdom Fungi, They are =
now usually
the fungal generation of Amoebae. In tropical fish they use =
aniline dyes to
kill the free swimming generation of Ich. Phytophthora (Root Rot, ==
former
fungus) and Macrocystis (Giant Brown Kelp, former plant) are =
cosely
related. The single cell free-swimming generation being nearly =
identical.
Aniline dyes used in fish are Methylene Blue (light activated), =
and
Malachite green which doesn't require light.
Larry Wallace
Cincinnati
Jim
Jim McClements
50 S. Prestwick Ct.
Dover, Delaware 19904, USA
Zone 7a
302-734-2836
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<DIV>Good morning, Russell. TYes, The use of aspirin is well-founded in =
a few
obscure articles in the botanical literature starting many years =
back.&nbsp; I
summarized much of it and referenced key articles in&nbsp;a =
brief&nbsp;article I
wrote for the Aril Society International, which also contained a plea =
for a bit
of experimentation.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>See:&nbsp; A Solution for Erwinia.&nbsp; Aril Society
International.&nbsp;&nbsp; Yearbook 1997, pp. 10-20.&nbsp; The dilution =
I used
was 4 325 mg. tablets in 2 gal of tapwater.&nbsp; based on sheer =
guesswork and
trying to extrapolate from the laboratory values cited in the =
literature.
Unfortunately nobody has picked up on it, that I am aware of, although I ==
heard
that the article was&nbsp;reprinted in the North American Lily Society's ==
(?)
publication. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;Write me off line with your address&nbsp; and I'll send you a ==
photocopy.&nbsp;&nbsp; Cordially, Adam Fikso</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=cokerra at BELLSOUTH.NET =
href="mailto:cokerra at BELLSOUTH.NET">Russell
Coker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 16, 2007 ==
10:42
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Rust</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I hope this isn't a stupid question...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Is the rust on Arisaemas the same thing that infects day =
lilies?&nbsp; I
have a pretty fierce arsenal of chemicals and fungicides that I've =
been using
on the day lilies, but this year I've decided to stop all of that
nonsense.&nbsp; Some plants are perfectly clean, while the plant next =
to it
may be hit really hard.&nbsp; This is going to be my summer to see who ==
has a
real resistance&nbsp;- and thin the herd.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Most of the Arisaemas I've liberated from pots are to the rear of ==
the bed
in the shade under big sasanquas that is fronted by the day lilies, =
about 7
feet behind them.&nbsp; Should I be worried?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Adam, have you ever tried your aspirin solution on anything other ==
than
Arisaemas?&nbsp; What is your ratio?&nbsp; I may go ahead and hit the=
Arisaemas to be on the safe side.&nbsp; I'd also like to try it on the ==
day
lilies.&nbsp; I think it would be interesting to spray and drench an =
infected
plant, then wait a few days and completely defoliate it and see if the ==
resistance is better with the second crop of foliage.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Does anyone have any guess as to the ratio&nbsp;for the ich =
medication
for spraying on plants?&nbsp; I'd love to try it too.&nbsp; I'd much =
rather
spray a harmless dye than these harsh chemicals.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>To the Alpine-L subscribers, if any other info comes along would =
you
please share it with us?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Russell (8b)&nbsp;</DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=adam14113 at AMERITECH.NET =
href="mailto:adam14113 at AMERITECH.NET">Adam
Fikso</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>==
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 15, 2007 ==
11:41
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Rust</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>New to me, and fascinating.&nbsp; It shouln't be too expensive =
to go to
your local pet shop or aquarium and get some, put it&nbsp;various =
dilutions
in a spray bhottle and try it out.&nbsp; I've found an aspirin spray ==
and
drench&nbsp;to get rid of it for the following year, but no =
treatment that
takes it out on the spot.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=JimMcClem at AOL.COM href="mailto:JimMcClem at AOL.COM">=Jim =
McClements,
Dover, DE z6</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL
=
href="mailto:ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL">ARISAEMA-L at NIC.SURFNET.NL</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 15, 200=7 =
7:59
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Rust</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Geneva==
color=#000000
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Those of you who subscribe to =
Alpine-L will know
that for the past week there's been an ongoing discussion about =
Arisaema
rust, its cause and treatments, most of which has previously been =
covered
on this list.<BR><BR>However, a posting yesterday, copied below, =
brings a
dimension to rusts that was news to me. Are there any treatments =
out there
that incorporate this knowledge into something practical? Has =
anyone tried
eother of the 2 dyes mentioned?<BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT =
face=Helvetica
color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">DNA testing has==
removed most rusts
from Kingdom Fungi,&nbsp; They are now usually<BR>the fungal =
generation of
Amoebae.&nbsp; In tropical fish they use aniline dyes to<BR>kill =
the free
swimming generation of Ich.&nbsp; Phytophthora (Root Rot,
former<BR>fungus) and Macrocystis (Giant Brown Kelp, former plant) ==
are
cosely<BR>related.&nbsp; The single cell free-swimming generation =
being
nearly identical.<BR>Aniline dyes used in fish are Methylene Blue =
(light
activated),&nbsp; and<BR>Malachite green which doesn't require
light.<BR>Larry Wallace<BR>Cincinnati<BR></FONT><FONT =
face=Geneva
color=#000000 size=2 =
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Jim<BR><BR><BR><BR>Jim
McClements<BR>50 S. Prestwick Ct.<BR>Dover, Delaware 19904, =
USA<BR>Zone
7a<BR>302-734-2836<BR></FONT><FONT face=Geneva color=#00000=0 =
size=2
=
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></FONT><BR><BR><BR>*******************************=**=
*****<BR>See
what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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