lol....Egypt Archeology is handled by one Dr. Zahi Hawass....who is one very smart dude. Unless you have the credientials to back you up, you ain't diggin in Egypt lemme tell ya.

Oh i'm a huge fan of Dr Hawass, not only does the man know what hes doing...he has this wonderful energy about him and a true passion for history and the relics he finds.

I love your sense of humor. You should know with all of the studying that you've done of Egypt and archeology that you need more than just a spoon. You need a brush too

LOL...the brush, knew I was forgetting something *slaps forehead*

Seriously, I appreciate the info Justa and yes, it made perfect sense Its kinda hard to believe people living around the large massive "hill" didnt know it was a pyramid, from far off you see it right away...atleast I do...

I wouldn't doubt there is actual archeology there, I believe most reports I've read say that the medieval/dark ages capital is around that area. Could likely find some tombs perhaps, or evidence of pre-historical occupation.

And yeah, Dr Hawass totally rocks. I love how excited he gets when they find artifacts from the ordinary person as opposed to the nobility or royalty.

Oh i'm a huge fan of Dr Hawass, not only does the man know what hes doing...he has this wonderful energy about him and a true passion for history and the relics he finds.

I guess that you would be the person to talk to about archelogy Willow. I've always been interested in it.

I can't imagine how it would feel to be digging there with minefields. Surely they have them cleared up by now.

It's incredible what you can find in your own back yard. A hill that has sat there for Lord knows how long, with a pyramid under it. The area must get pretty dusty in order for a pyramid to be that covered to look like a mountain. In Egypt I can see, because of the sand storms etc, but in the middle of Europe? Any ideas? I could understand overgrown with vines and plants, but that pyramid is under a mountain of dirt.

They "probably" made sure the area was relatively safe from mines before they went in. You know, ran a herd of goats over the area.

As far as the layers of dirt, they've been sitting there for thousands of years, and over that time, vegetation would have found every little nook and cranny to grow in, and of course as it dies and decays it turns into compost, added with the layers of dirt and grime from the weather, and voila, instant mountain (purely speculation on my part)

When I had first read about this particular discovery, I had honestly wondered how it had stood there for so long with no one knowing about it. WEll, now that I've been doing some reading, I kinda understand....time and nature ended up making it look like a hill and until the archeologists rediscovered it, all that remained of the knowledge about it was legends in a region often overlooked by scholars unless it has to do with the undead.

In Paris during the Roman times, there was a huge amphitheatre in the 5th arrondissment that could seat thousands of people. Then Rome fell and most of the Roman buildings were taken apart and doubtless the stone used to build the buildings still standing today. The amphitheatre disappeared from all Paris maps for hundreds of years, and a hill can be seen in its place. Then in the 1970's the hill was dug out for some reason and the remains of the amphitheatre were found.

My opinion is that the stone of the stands were used for building, and the remaining foundations were used as a big garbage dump. When it was filled in and over, people forgot what was there. I think that's how it happens all over the world. Time marches on and people shift from place to place, building to building over generations. A personal memory only lasts one lifetime.

By the way, the structure that remained has been restored and has a nice little park around it, great for a picnic or relaxing in the sun. It's called the "Arenes de Lutece" and there's still one cage left that still gives off a few little vibes.

Sorry if I seem off topic, I just wanted to show how structures can be important in one generation, and then be forgotten.

Who owns the land? Only the land knows. We mortals are passersby, and our lives are but a brief moment in the great span of time and space. We are born, we live out our lives, and most of us do the best we can with it, but the wind is forever, and the rivers flow forever to the sea, and all the seasons of the weathers will come and go after we are gone. But the Earth endures, the Earth is eternal" - Earl Hamner

Oh i'm a huge fan of Dr Hawass, not only does the man know what hes doing...he has this wonderful energy about him and a true passion for history and the relics he finds.

I guess that you would be the person to talk to about archelogy Willow. I've always been interested in it.

I can't imagine how it would feel to be digging there with minefields. Surely they have them cleared up by now.

It's incredible what you can find in your own back yard. A hill that has sat there for Lord knows how long, with a pyramid under it. The area must get pretty dusty in order for a pyramid to be that covered to look like a mountain. In Egypt I can see, because of the sand storms etc, but in the middle of Europe? Any ideas? I could understand overgrown with vines and plants, but that pyramid is under a mountain of dirt.

Sorry for the delay in responding BlueValkyrie, been all kinds of hectic this month...I agree with Justa's take on it, with time dirt and *from the website Earth provided* alot of moss grew ontop and around the pyramid rounding it off and making it just seem like a big moundy hill. Imagine the people that hiked that "hill" come to find out they'd been treading atop a pyramid

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Posted 31 May 2006 - 03:48 AM

It's commonly known also that cities of today are bilt over the ruins of ancient cities. Many middle eastern cities like Jerusalem, Damascus and Baghdad have ruins directly underneath them, buried for thousands of years.

Ah. Well... I attended Juilliard... I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT... NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO A DEAD GUY... NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK? You think I'm qualified? --BeetlejuiceI'm the ghost with the most, babe.--BeetlejuiceWe've come for your daughter Chuck--Beetlejuice

Bosnian-American pyramid buff Semir "Sam" Osmanagic claims a four-sided hill in the town of Visoko is Europe's first known pyramid, larger than any ever built in Egypt.

But in the latest salvo in this battle, the president of the European Association of Archaeologists said on Friday that he had visited the 700-foot (213-meter) hill and saw no evidence that it was human-made........

Stone blocks believed by Bosnian researchers to be part of Europe's first pyramid are nothing but a natural formation, European experts said on Friday after examining the hillside site near Sarajevo.

"My opinion and the opinion of my colleagues is what we saw was entirely geological in nature," said Anthony Harding, head of the European Association of Archaeologists.

Harding, a professor of archaeology at the University of Exeter in Britain, was speaking here after a brief visit on June 8 to the hills near Visoko, a town some 30 kilometers (19 miles) north of Sarajevo, where excavation work has been taking place since April.

Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Loses FundingThe hills in Visoko are a natural formation and not pyramids, as Semir Osmanagic wishes to present them, says Bosnian Culture Minister.

The Ministry of Culture of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina wants to put an end to the funding of the project “Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun.” Opinions on the subject as well as on the pyramid phenomenon are so divided in Bosnia that some public persons, who have denied the existence of pyramids, said that they would set themselves on fire if those were really proven to pyramids.

Numerous politicans have given support to the research in Visoko, formerly a royal town. Experts have protested and the people find all this interesting.

“The pyramids” are a natural formation

However, Culture Minister Gavrilo Grahovac decided to shut down the source of funding, at least this one, because this was not a serious archaeological research. The credibility of the people who collaborated on the project was “unreliable” and they have published their findings that were kept away from the experts.

The scientific research team has proved that the hill Visocica is a natural geological formation and its relief is the consequence of natural tectonic movement.

Suspicious activities

The present appearance of Visocica is the result of structural factors and climate changes at work. By acting on its own initiative, the foundation does not act in keeping with the existing regulations of archaeology, in spite of being registered at the B-H Justice Ministry, and its registration itself ought to be looked into.

Before coming to this conclusion, the Ministry consulted with the B-H Academy of Arts and Sciences, the committee for the preservation of national monuments, the Archeological Museum, the Tuzla Faculty of Mining, Geology and Civil Engineering, and the Federal Geology Institute.

Osmanagic: We have done more than the Ministry of Culture has in the last 12 years

Of course, the foundation responded.

They think that the Federation government has reasons to support the project because it has developed a positive image of B-H in the world. In fact, they think that it has done more than all the projects of the Ministry and the five aforementioned institutions put together have in the last 12 years. They are denying the claims that their staff is not qualified, they claim that they delivered the reports, and they are presenting their project in global proportions.

The head of the foundation, Semir Osmanagic, or the Bosnian Indiana Jones as they call him, has accused his detractors of having spent the last year amending the law and increasing the protected zones on the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun 98 times and making excavations on the pyramid impossible.

Hi Carlotta, I was just cruising around looking for info on Arenes de Lutece, and checked to see if there was anything about hauntings there. Voila!!

Well, 16 years ago I lived in Arenes de Lutece for two weeks (at least) whilst busking around St Michel. We were introduced to the place by a "supertramp", who helped us out bigtime, as we hitched into Paris with no money after a couple of months of hand to mouth existence in France. We had to climb an iron gate to enter,( my buddy ripped the BAD_WORD out of his jeans doing this!)There was a heatwave at the time that melted the crepe soles of my sandals, and most of my time in Paris I walked barefoot as I could not afford to buy shoes.

We ate really well, busking at night, returning to the park to sleep. We showered under the sprinklers that watered the trees each morning and usually just lazed around the park all day, and eat.

I'm not sure if it was the insecurity playing with my mind or what; we'd sometimes be woken by park patrol guys who warned us to be careful as there were heroin addicts who used the park. One time a dodgy looking guy walked past us three times, where he would have no reason to walk other than to be thinking of stealing from us. I'm not sure what was effecting my psyche, but on the last few nights, I awoke to see what seemed to be a person standing above me. Normally this would be a scary experience, but it wasn't. Each time I was looking into the eyes of one of these "people" who looked almost angelic.There was an air of unreality, yet the figures would appear very physically real. Slowly, they would start to to disintegrate, and perhaps over the course of a minute they would merge into the trees that were above me. One was a dark skinned man with long hair, I recall. This would happen two or three times a night. Different characters. Always looking right into my eyes, standing above me, and slowly changing into the trees!!!

After we left this place we caught a train out of Paris to someplace in the middle of nowhere. I can't recall how they first appeared now, but as we camped out I was aware of three naked ethereal male figures that were seemingly watching us, about a stone's throw distance away. I remember looking over to where they were, each time I awoke, and they were there through the night. I tried to make them dissappear from my vision, but they would not.

I returned to a reasonable state of sanity soon after, I've never experienced anything quite like it since!! Hope you like !! Stu Porter

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When I had first read about this particular discovery, I had honestly wondered how it had stood there for so long with no one knowing about it. WEll, now that I've been doing some reading, I kinda understand....time and nature ended up making it look like a hill and until the archeologists rediscovered it, all that remained of the knowledge about it was legends in a region often overlooked by scholars unless it has to do with the undead.[/quote]

In Paris during the Roman times, there was a huge amphitheatre in the 5th arrondissment that could seat thousands of people. Then Rome fell and most of the Roman buildings were taken apart and doubtless the stone used to build the buildings still standing today. The amphitheatre disappeared from all Paris maps for hundreds of years, and a hill can be seen in its place. Then in the 1970's the hill was dug out for some reason and the remains of the amphitheatre were found.

My opinion is that the stone of the stands were used for building, and the remaining foundations were used as a big garbage dump. When it was filled in and over, people forgot what was there. I think that's how it happens all over the world. Time marches on and people shift from place to place, building to building over generations. A personal memory only lasts one lifetime.

By the way, the structure that remained has been restored and has a nice little park around it, great for a picnic or relaxing in the sun. It's called the "Arenes de Lutece" and there's still one cage left that still gives off a few little vibes.

Sorry if I seem off topic, I just wanted to show how structures can be important in one generation, and then be forgotten.
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