Quotes of the day

posted at 10:30 pm on June 10, 2010 by Allahpundit

The 12 million people who unlawfully reside the country? Call them “illegal immigrants,” not “undocumented workers,” the pollsters say.

Strip out the empathy, too. Democrats used to offer immigrants “an earned path to citizenship” so hardworking people trying to support their families could “come out of the shadows.” To voters, that sounded like a gift, the operatives concluded.

Now, Democrats emphasize that it’s “unacceptable” to allow 12 million people to live in America illegally and that the government must “require” them to register and “get right with the law.” That means three things: “Obey our laws, learn our language and pay our taxes” — or face deportation…

“When [voters] hear ‘undocumented worker,’ they hear a liberal euphemism, it sounds to them like liberal code,” said Drew Westen, a political consultant who has helped Sharry hone the message through dial testing. “I am often joking with leaders of progressive organizations and members of Congress, ‘If the language appears fine to you, it is probably best not to use it. You are an activist, and by definition, you are out of the mainstream.’”

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1. Jesus was an immigrant. While Jesus was just a small child, Joseph and Mary were forced to flee from Palestine to Egypt because of the genocidal decree issued by Herod. He spent many years in Egypt, and his family returned to Palestine after Herod died. When God deigned to put on humanity, it was in the cultural dressings of an illegal immigrant. Not only is God not far from those on the margins of society, he himself was on the margins of society in the person of Jesus.

2. All humans are created in the image of God. Jesus exhibited an incredible ability to cut through the prejudices of society. He loved the people that no one else seemed to be able to love. Paul said the gospel tears down every dividing wall that keeps people at odds with one another, whether racial, social, gender, or economic.

3. Ancient Israel was meant to be a place hospitable to the alien, sojourner, and immigrant. After Israel entered Palestine, God commanded them to care for immigrants and wanderers, because that’s what they themselves had been for so many years (Ex. 23:9; Lev. 19:33-34).

4. We are all immigrants and sojourners in the world. As Christians, our primary allegiance is to God and to God’s kingdom. We are first and foremost citizens of heaven. Oftentimes immigrants understand this intuitively because they are outside the dominant power culture in the country to which they come. White Christians living in the suburbs of America (like myself) are wise to recognize this implicit advantage immigrants have in living as though they are aliens and sojourners in the world.

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OK, if the Christians (the social justice communist type) are going to venture into unknown territory and use Ex. and Lev. how about using the passages that talk about those who broke the law (Torah) who were thrown out of the camp. They had consequences back then too…

It’s nice to pick and choose, twist and distort when it all fits into their nice little package.

God also COMMANDED Thou shall not murder yet that has not stopped Obowma and the democrat party from allowing the murdering of children by abortion. God also commanded thou shall not steal and yet Obowma and the democrat party steals…err redistribites wealth to those who refuse to work.

Talk about taking God’s word out of context. This group of false teachers will be judged for their lies of allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS TO BREAK American law.

1, disagree that Jesus was an illegal. 2, Jesus would probably tell the illegal to ‘sin no more’. 3, the US is the most hospitable place around, if you come legaly. 4, again nothing to do with illegals.

God is also a God of Order and Law. Taking care of the illegals doesn’t mean disobey the law. Nor does it mean give them welfare. We should give charity, but we should also obey the law.
Obedience is greater that sacrifice. To say otherwise is twisting the words of the Bible.

We are all immigrants and sojourners in the world. As Christians, our primary allegiance is to God and to God’s kingdom. We are first and foremost citizens of heaven.

So can I go live in Cabo and have the mehican government pay for me, my family, my parents , my in-laws because I have five kids from six different fathers/mothers and I don’t have any job skills and don’t speak mehican ?

Some of those points are out of left field, but I think the linked piece on Evangelicals was actually a fairly diverse wrestling with the problem and implications. For example, this thought (I think from a Mark Roberts)-

“2. The United States of America is neither a church nor a Christian nation in the sense that it is to fulfill the calling of the church of Jesus Christ. The values, priorities, and activities of the country may rightly differ from those of the church and the individual Christian. If someone steals my car, as a Christian, I am called to forgive that person. The government’s job is not to forgive, but rather to arrest, prosecute, and incarcerate that person.”

Fine. I’ll stand watch on the border and the Christians can hate me for keeping the illegals out.

Bishop on June 10, 2010 at 10:36 PM

These people are not Christians, they are the modern day equivalent of the Pharasees masquerading as Christians just as Obowma claims to be. The bible says “you will know them by their actions” and based on that truth, these people are liars. As for Obowma, the bible states “I will bless those who bless Israel, and I will curse those who curse Israel” and we see that coming true, nor just with Obowma, but with America as well for electing him.

Skimming the article from Pathos that is supposed to discuss “evangelicals” and immigration reform, I didn’t see much responsible handling of the Bible. There’s a lot of top down eisegesis going on as they read their ideas into the text.

It’s always very tiresome and frustrating to read articles like that. Those who are chosen to comment are chosen for a reason–to slant the playing field and give the appearance that they are representative of evangelical Christians in America–which they are not.

In fact, the adjective evangelical has rapidly lost its meaning. Liberal word games is typical.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

How is it that these filthy liberals can invoke God when it suits their purpose?

Lanceman on June 10, 2010 at 10:48 PM

For them, it’s easy. They have created “a god” (deliberate lower case) in their own image. But God will not be mocked and they will reap what they have sown.

Fine. I’ll stand watch on the border and the Christians can hate me for keeping the illegals out.

Bishop on June 10, 2010 at 10:36 PM

These people are not Christians, they are the modern day equivalent of the Pharasees masquerading as Christians just as Obowma claims to be. The bible says “you will know them by their actions” and based on that truth, these people are liars. As for Obowma, the bible states “I will bless those who bless Israel, and I will curse those who curse Israel” and we see that coming true, nor just with Obowma, but with America as well for electing him.

This is “social justice” run amok in the churches…from which Glenn Beck said to run!
And so say I, also.

The Bible teaches us to obey the laws of the land we live in.

And as strong a Christian as I am, I feel the need to remind others that we don’t live in a theocracy.
Neither should our churches delve into secular public policy.
There’s too much focus on the public square and not near enough attention being paid her to individual spiritual salvation and growth.

Somebody needs to remind those “Christians” that they’re perfectly free to go to Mexico and help as many people as they want. Or do they think Jesus would prefer “immigrants” break our laws and leech off our tax dollars?

I was taught, and use to believe, this same social justice theology through 12 years of Catholic education in a parish a stone’s throw from the San Ysidro border crossing in San Diego during the 50s and 60s.

Then I somewhere along the road I descended into sin and stopped believing it.

I’m not sure how it’s “compassionate” to allow Mexicans to come here illegally because middle class Christians need a servant class to take care of their kids and mow their lawns for below minimum wage.

I’m not sure how it’s Christian to allow Mexico to continue to be a corrupt and screwed-up third-world country by letting them jettison their social problems up to America.

First: Egypt (where our Lord spent a few years of his childhood), and Galilee (where our Lord was counted as subject, as Joseph, His legal father was native there, and only in Judea with Mary due to the census) were provinces of the Roman Empire. Judea, though an ethnocracy under Herod the Great at the time of our Lord’s birth, was itself also under the ultimate rule of Rome, its kingship being granted by Caesar Augustus, and the census being administered in its borders by the Roman governor of neighboring Syria (Quirinius). Thus our Lord and the Holy Family crossed no international boundaries in their flight from Judea to Egypt, nor in their return to the Galilee.

Secondly, at the time of our Lord’s birth there was no such place as ‘Palestine’. The place was known, both in ethnarchy and later as a province, as Judea. The name ‘Palestine’ came later, as a consequence of the Jewish Wars.

One does wish folks would bother with history a bit more than they do. Obviously this is either a case of ignorance, or of foolish men counting on the ignorance of others.

Jesus was an immigrant. While Jesus was just a small child, Joseph and Mary were forced to flee from Palestine to Egypt because of the genocidal decree issued by Herod. He spent many years in Egypt, and his family returned to Palestine after Herod died. When God deigned to put on humanity, it was in the cultural dressings of an illegal immigrant.

Silly me. I thought both were part of the same Roman Empire. That’s what I get for trusting history books rather than a professor of social ethics when it comes to learning history.

Since my Bible knowledge is a little rusty ( I think)
can anyone tell me where in the Bible does it say that :
1. Every illegal central American/mehican /muslim/anyone has the right to be IN USA

2. Every illegal Central American/mehican/muslim/anyone
has the right to be a US citizen

3. US taxpayers are the ONLY people responsible to feed, clothe,house, educate and medicate and litigate for illegals from all over the world, specially if they are mehicans, and be called racist, xenophobes,and Nazis in return.

If these so called Churches and Christians are so concerned about mehicans, they can go down there and service their clients in their own homeland. They don’t have to bring parasites over here and then use religion to force us to fund their marxist agenda.

Washington – President Obama has called Arizona’s new highly controversial crackdown on illegal immigration “misguided.” It’s certainly sparked outrage across the country.

But the White House has its own suspect illegal immigration enforcement policies, which could benefit a little from such outrage.

In particular, a little-noticed federal enforcement program known as “Secure Communities” deserves greater national attention.

As with Arizona’s recent law, it is susceptible to racial profiling and a lack of due process in the jailing and deportation of illegal aliens. It’s a program that has potentially far-reaching consequences if not properly managed. In the rush to tackle immigration, and in the wrong hands, it could turn into a mass deportation program.

Governments and countries with borders have a God-given right to exist. God ordains government for order on Earth. Jesus said to give to the government (Caesar) that which rightfully belongs to it. Illegals don’t have a Biblical leg to stand on.

And if we could all sojourn back to Eden and if we could all live there forever, this loonatorium view of the world would almost be valid but everybody had to come from someplace sometime and this is our country and we don’t have to share if we don’t want to.

These people are idiots. Useful, dangerous idiots. Can’t they see that if they agree with Pelosi and Jarrett, something’s wrong? Pelosi and Jarrett are not even like a stopped clock: they are wrong all. the. time.

Wow, not just self-righteous but disingenuous argumentation right out of the gate. Consider point one:

When God deigned to put on humanity, it was in the cultural dressings of an illegal immigrant.

Note the sleight of hand. Where is the evidence that their flight to Egypt was illegal? Nowhere. So why does the term illegal come up at his point? Is he seriously suggesting that the holy family broke the law?

In fact, the proper “cultural dressing” is of someone fleeing persecution and seeking asylum in Egypt.

“I hold the right of expatriation to be inherent in every man by the laws of nature, and incapable of being rightfully taken from him even by the united will of every other person in the nation. If the laws have provided no particular mode by which the right of expatriation may be exercised, the individual may do it by any effectual and unequivocal act or declaration.”

Anyone who claim Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were “illegal immigrants” when they fled to Egypt should be able to produce some relevant Roman law to that effect. History teaches that one benefit of being a Roman subject was the ability to travel and trade freely within the entire Empire, so this professor must surely have discovered something new to make the assertion.
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Well, either that or he is just making it up.

OK, if the Christians (the social justice communist type) are going to venture into unknown territory and use Ex. and Lev. how about using the passages that talk about those who broke the law (Torah) who were thrown out of the camp. They had consequences back then too…

It’s nice to pick and choose, twist and distort when it all fits into their nice little package.

Argumentor statement 1 is false. It can be taken as a true statement that Josphe took his family to Egypt where they would be safe. Where does this being illegal come in? Where does it say that they were illegal or in Egypt under false pretense? They moved there, became part of a community and paid their taxes accordingly and when the time came, freely left the country and returned to their own.

Obviously it was important to make the claim to establish a comparison for the sake of argument to support a point of view, even if based on a false premise to beging with, with an assumption that there were laws on immigration in that part of the world at that time.

His point is that ilegals should be allowed to break the law and then be accepted as part of the legal society, but lacking citizenship.

Wonder if it is understood that Mexico’s second largest source of national income is the money the illegals send back to their familes in Mexico. No wonder the president of Mexico wants his people to leave his country to live and work in ours. Obama is more than happy to support wealth redistribution in any form available to him and to make the president of Mexico happy in the process.

“Our ancestors… possessed a right, which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice, has placed them, of going in quest of new habitations, and of there establishing new societies, under such laws and regulations as, to them, shall seem most likely to promote public happiness.”

Are there any Christian clergy out there who aren’t pushing for illegal immigration?

In the case of the catholic church, at least, which is so hot for more Mexicans: the Mexicans do not contribute financially to the church, and virtually none of them become priests (in contrast to the Vietnamese). I don’t understand the support for illegals. I guess they’re trying to expiate their guilt for having treated the Amerindians so poorly.