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The Watchtower: Those who leave Jehovah’s Witnesses are “mentally diseased”

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Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses are “mentally diseased” and should be avoided just like anybody else with an infectious disease, according to an article in The Watchtower, the official magazine ditributed door-to-door by the church’s members.

The article has prompted outcries from a number of lapsed Witnesses as well as several ministries who counsel former members and teach against the group’s doctrines.

Jeremy Taylor at the British newspaper the Independent writes

An article published inThe Watchtower warns followers to stay clear of “false teachers” who are condemned as being “mentally diseased” apostates who should be avoided at all costs. “Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease,” the article reads. “You would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are ‘mentally diseased,’ and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings.”

Detectives are investigating whether the article is in breach of Britain’s religious hatred laws, reports the daily Telegraph. A group of former Witnesses, based in Portsmouth, have made an official complaint to Hampshire Police, who have launched an investigation. Former members are also considering whether to complain to Britain’s Charity Commission. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Britain, which prints church doctrine in Britain, is a registered charity, noted the Telegraph:

The church is known for handing down harsh punishments to followers who criticize doctrines or raise questions about the faith.

Angus Robertson, a former Witness from Hampshire who was present at the meeting with police, told the Independent: “The way scripture is being used to bully people must be challenged. If a religion was preaching that blacks or gays were mentally diseased there would understandable outrage.”

As a faith with a centralised leadership, many forms of discipline are used to counter criticism of doctrine, with punishments ranging from restriction of official duties to excommunication. Those who have been thrown out of the church often find themselves ostracised by fellow believers.

The Watchtower demands loyalty and if anyone decides to leave because they disagree with doctrine,the remaining family members are commanded by the religion to shun those who have left. They will try to spin it so that it looks like some immorality was committed but most of the time that is not the case.

Jesus did NOT have his second coming in the year 1914 which is the core creed of Jehovah’s Witnesses and I have chosen to reject this creed and many other false teachings of the religion.
That was my choice that I deserve to have available to me-Danny Haszard Bangor Maine

http://www.dannyhaszard.com Danny Haszard

Scientologists declare their outcasts “suppressive persons.”
Another Scientology policy – called “disconnection” – forbids Scientologists from interacting with a suppressive person. No calls, no letters, no contact.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are EXACTLY the same.

An SP is a pariah. Anyone who communicates with an SP risks being branded an SP himself.
Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshiped person (DF) is exactly the same as Scientology suppressed person (SP)

Jehovah’s Witnesses are EXACTLY the same.

Watchtower religion is the *Hotel California* you can check in but not *check out*.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Daniel

Scientologists declare their outcasts “suppressive persons.”
Another Scientology policy – called “disconnection” – forbids Scientologists from interacting with a suppressive person. No calls, no letters, no contact.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are EXACTLY the same.

An SP is a pariah. Anyone who communicates with an SP risks being branded an SP himself.
Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshiped person (DF) is exactly the same as Scientology suppressed person (SP)

Jehovah’s Witnesses are EXACTLY the same.

Watchtower religion is the *Hotel California* you can check in but not *check out*.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Daniel

Most people who “join” Jehovah’s Witnesses are born into the creed as indoctrinated youth and about 60-70 percent do end up leaving under very ugly circumstances shunned as traitors.

Any Watchtower troll who says that JW will ‘just let you walk away’ are willful liars.The thing is any active or EXJW who reads that propaganda knows it’s a lie and most of the general population know about JW severe shunning so go ahead and deny lie all you want,we know better.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Danny Haszard

Disfellowshipping isn’t to be found in the Bible. Even checking the scripture/word index in their own NWT JW Bible reveals this.
The Scriptures that they do twist/apply (not to say a greeting) have to do with shunning the ANTI-Christ

The nearest I can see to their Dfing practice it is the trial of Jesus.
This is proof to me and I am 100% convinced, that the Jehovah’s Witness are an anti-Christ Watchtower real estate development CULT posing as a religion. This is why they use CULT control tactics to keep the R&F in line. Milleu control!

[The shunning practiced by Jehovah’s Witnesses is a shame device control tactic and the entire family is cut-off.]

http://carriertom.typepad.com/sheep_and_goats tom sheepandgoats

Most persons who leave JWs simply move on in life, some with the viewpoint that the religion just wasn’t for them, some with minor grumbling over this or that feature of the faith that caused them to move on, some with the viewpoint that they couldn’t live up to it. None of these are viewed as ‘apostates’, A fair number evenually return.

So their attitudes are somewhat analogous to that of a man or woman leaving a relationship, like a failed marriage. Most just move on. But there’s always a certain few psycho ex-mates that can’t let go, who devote all their time and energy to harassing the person they once loved.

That’s the type that the magazine commented on, not at all simply everyone who departs.

Now, you may disagree with that assessment, but understand that the description was not meant as a medical diagnosis. And whenever someone spends years of their life ardently embracing a cause, immediately followed by as many years ardently denigrating it, it’s not so absurd that one might question their mental balance.

Moreover, their comment is essentially just a repeat of the Bible verse 1 Tim 6:3-4…..”If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words.”

http://endthelie.com Alternative News

Typical cult mentality. You must attempt to discredit the critics and those who left by making them out to be insane in an attempt to silence them.

Just look at how Scientology operates, it is the same exact thing.

http://www.silentlambs.org Concerned Parent

Jehovahs Witnesses have had an ongoing pedophile scandle similar to the Catholic church. Apparently the majority of the time when pedophiles are reported it’s hushed up to keep the name of the church clean in the community.

The only difference between them and the RCC is that the Catholics don’t send priest out to my door to sell me magazines.

http://www.freeminds.org Simon Peter

Jehovah’s Witnesses have the highest turnover rate of any religion in the United States.
Nearly two-thirds of those who become members will leave.

There is something deeply wrong with an organization that claims to be Christian and breaks apart families, shunning even their own children. This form of shunning called “Disfellowshipping” is nothing more than psychological brutality meted out to keep the rank and file in line with fear and has led some to commit suicide.

Jehovah’s Witnesses will only treat you with love and respect if you go along 100% with their distortions.

If you persist in asking questions or challenging their doctrine, you are expelled, losing all friends and family members, never able to speak to them again, not even to say “hello.”

Even minor children have been forced to leave home and live on the streets because they no longer agreed with the convoluted and highly extrapolated teachings of their faith.

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http://AddaURLtothiscomment Props

This sounds like the makings of a class action lawsuit. If every former JW were to get together and sue the Watchtower Society for libel, the “discreet slave(s)” would then learn to keep their mouths shut.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Hector Carde

To Those who are APOSTATES-false Teachers who have left Jehovah’s Teachings–if this scripture from the BIBLE fits…3 If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, 4 he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words. From these things spring envy, strife, abusive speeches, wicked suspicions, 5 violent disputes about trifles on the part of men corrupted in mind and despoiled of the truth,
Please don’t hesitate to wear it!!!!

http://jwitness.wordpress.com/ Jay

Here we go again. Like some of the comments above, disgruntled “lapsed Witnesses” put up a fuss.
People are not “shunned” for what they have done but for an attitude they display against Bible council.
The “Jesus loves everyone” theory of Christianity coupled with “anything goes”is farce.
Maybe the “lapsed Witnesses” forgot this scripture : “(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) 9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.”
Or should we just remove that scripture from the Bible to make the “lapsed Witnesses” happy.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Mrs. Sixx

Jay — so all “lapsed Witnesses” are fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, men kept for unnatural purposes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy persons, drunkards, revilers, extortioners”? Your comment is ludicrous and arrogant on it’s face. There are many many people who used to be JW’s who lead good and fulfilling lives — and yet they have lost many friends and family members simply because they have investigated and found out for themselves that JW doctrine is not based on fact. In fact, if Charles Russell and Joseph Rutherford were alive today, they themselves would be called apostates — because this so-called religion is nothing like what they taught.

Charles Russell himself said this about the “new light” that the governing body hands down every year:

“A new light of truth can never contradict a former truth. “New Light” never extinguishes “old light” but adds to it. If you were lighting up a building containing seven gas jets, you would never extinguish one jet as you lighted another, but would add one light to another and they would be in harmony and thus give increase of light: So it is with the light of the truth; the true increase is by adding to; not substituting one for another”

If new light is supposed to “increase the truth”, then why have there been flip flops over the blood issue, and over the generation issue?

The single thing that Jesus asked us to do is love our neighbors as ourselves. How can you be showing love to your neighbor, when you will turn your back on a family members just because he or she does not believe in this religion any more?

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Brother D

I am advocating for Jehovah God and the article expressed in the July Watchtower of 2011. This is dissemination to those who want to know more and not be misled by the bias of this article.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses does not throw anybody out. The person leaves on their on accord. The Kingdom Hall is a public place of worship and does not bar anybody from coming in to learn about the bible teachings. It’s the announcement in the Kingdom Hall that shames and embarrasses the un-repented brother and sister who is leading a life that biblically incorrect whether it be un-repented immoral conduct or behavior and including false teachings.
The key word is un-repented. The elders in the congregation are required to keep the Christian Congregation clean. Jude 3-4. Before the announcement is made, all evidence to be gathered before any decision is made. Deut 17:2-4, 7, “In case there should be found in your midst … a man or woman who should practice what is bad in the eyes of Jehovah . . . and it has been to told you and you have heard it and have searched thoroughly and, look! The thing is established as the truth, . . . you must clear our what is bad from your midst.
Jehovah our loving God is the author of the inspired scriptures, the bible. Our creator like any parent, has due cause to establish norms that would prevent harmful conduct to his people and admonishes those to in danger his norms. Revelation 9:17, 2 Timothy 3:16,17
Just like in a court of law, you must have evidence and witnesses as relayed here in the bible. 1 Timothy 5:19 and Matthew 18:16 and it clearly states, “ In order that the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established.”
In any government, if there is a person, or group of people who are causing or disturbing the peace and are going against the government, the government has the right to take precautions to protect the whole.
The bible clearly states on Romans 16:17 if they are “causing division and stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them.” Baptized Christian brothers or sister who make practice of sin, in this case “False Teachings or Apostasy” is to be expelled from the congregation. 1 Corinthians 5:11, 13 and 1 John 2:1, 3:4,6
Another kindly example, if you found out someone has a contagious disease, would you want to be near that person? Even the governments around the world take precautions if there is an outbreak by investigating and quarantining the source.
All these are reasonable scriptural grounds for shunning. The Apostle Paul was already dealing with apostasy or false teachings during his time and would frequently confront, let me add that the phrase, “Mentally Diseased” people as stated in 1 Timothy 6:3,4. People who falsely teach against biblical doctrines are in need of great help. The Bible exhorts that if any one that is sick spiritually to confess and seek help. James 5:14-16.
In conclusion, Jehovah begs for those to want to clear their conscious and make things right to ask for help and any error, no matter how grave, can return to his graces. 2 Corinthians 2:6,7 and Isaiah 1:18, Psalms 86:5

The phrase “mentally diseased” is taken from the NWT rendering of 1 Timothy 6:3,4 “3 If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, 4 he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being MENTALLY DISEASED over questionings and debates about words” (capitals mine).

Note how a couple of other translations render this

Bible in Basic English, (Douay, Darby reads similar
3 If any one teach differently, and do not accede to sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the teaching which is according to piety, 4 he is puffed up, knowing nothing, BUT SICK about questions and disputes of words, out of which arise envy, strife, injurious words, evil suspicions,

What about the rendering in this translation

The Message Bible
4 tag them for what they are: ignorant windbags who INFECT THE AIR WITH GERMS of envy, controversy, bad-mouthing, suspicious rumors.

Calvin Bible
4 He is puffed up, knowing nothing, BUT SICKENING after questions and debates

Phillips
4 then he is a conceited idiot! His mind IS A MORBID jumble of disputation

King James (The numbers refer to Strongs definitions)
4 He is proud , knowing nothing , but doting about questions

The meaning of word 3552 by two by two of my dictionaries
3552. νοσεω noseo nos-eh’-o; from 3554; to be sick, i.e. (by implication of a diseased appetite) to hanker after (figuratively, to harp upon): — dote.

3552 νοσεω noseo nos-eh’-o

1) to be sick
2) metaph. of ANY AILMENT OF THE MIND
2a) to be taken with such an interest in a thing as amounts to a disease, to have a morbid fondness for

If you look at the quote from the Watchtower the words “mentally diseased” are in quotes “ “ The NWT more correctly rendered that verse to show an ailment of the mind. There is no religious hatred laws about it. Plain simple statement from our creator.

It’s isn’t that Jehovah’s Witnesses are just sooooooo baaaad,it’s that they are NOT the *truth*….This may seem no surprise to the general population but if you as a JW follower dare admit this,you will be
condemned and shunned by your friends and family as severe as the Catholic Inquisition ever was.You will be on spiritual death row until Jehovah feeds you to the carrion birds at Armageddon.

This is what every Jehovah Witnesses man woman and child is gradually eventually brainwashed to believe.

The bitter hypocrisy is that they don’t tell you this at first when you are being *love bomb’ recruited.Moreover they LIE to the media and the public by withholding this phobia indoctrination practice.

There is course a lot more to the Watchtower’s apostate belief system,the biggie for me is a set date October 1914 for Jesus *invisible* second coming a blasphemous (Galatian 1:8) absurdity with a whole set of complex spin attachments that they still force members to accept or die.

1 Timothy 6:4 (Contempor­ary English Version)
“…they don’t really know a thing. Their minds are sick, and they like to argue over words.”

1 Timothy 6:4 (Common English Bible)
“They don’t understand anything but have a sick obsession with debates and arguments.­”

Dr. Lonnie D. Kliever (1932 – 2004), Professor of Religious Studies of the Southern Methodist University­, in his paper The Reliabilit­y of Apostate Testimony about New Religious Movements that he wrote upon request for Scientolog­y, claims that the overwhelmi­ng majority of people who disengage from non-confor­ming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associatio­ns and activities­, but that there is a much smaller number of apostates who are deeply invested and engaged in discrediti­ng, and performing actions designed to destroy the religious communitie­s that once claimed their loyalties. He asserts that these dedicated opponents present a distorted view of the new religions and cannot be regarded as reliable informants by responsibl­e journalist­s, scholars, or jurists. He claims that the lack of reliabilit­y of apostates is due to the traumatic nature of disaffilia­tion, that he compares to a divorce, but also due to the influence of the anti-cult movement, even on those apostates who were not deprogramm­ed or did not receive exit counseling­. (Kliever 1995 Kliever. Lonnie D, Ph.D. The Reliabilit­y of Apostate Testimony About New Religious Movements, 1995.)

Hector Carde

1 Timothy 6:3-4
Contemporary English Version (CEV)

3Anyone who teaches something different disagrees with the correct and godly teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ. 4Those people who disagree are proud of themselves, but they don’t really know a thing. Their minds are sick, and they like to argue over words. They cause jealousy, disagreements, unkind words, evil suspicions

This Scripture is NOT from the NWT…so we cannot be that wrong in saying that those who become APOSTATES ( with SICK MINDS ) from the truth found in THE BIBLE ( Any Bible ) are just plain jealous of the
unstopable power of Jehovah’s Spirit.
. 19 And they will be certain to fight against you, but they will not prevail against you, for ‘I am with you,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘to deliver you.’”
Jeremiah

http://AddaURLtothiscomment NillaMo

The upshot of this article is to say
a) If you don’t worship/believe exactly as we lay down (called “falling away from true worship”)
b) You are an apostate
c) Therefore you are mentally ill.

So, If I believe the earth is flat, and you dare to question that belief, you are mentally ill.

How do they swallow this stuff?

http://AddaURLtothiscomment NillaMo

So..
3 If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion

Apparently the context of this verse says “other doctrine” and “healthful words” are those of the Watchtower Society? Or are they the words of Jesus? This is a huge gap … The Watchtower does not teach the words of Jesus.

What happened to God is Love? What happened to “He loved THE WORLD so much” John 3:16,17.

Anything goes? No. No Christian says that. They do love one another and in the love of Jesus (you know, the one that doesn’t love everyone?) they WANT to do what is right and they continually strive to do right. Not “Jesus doesn’t love if you do don’t obey xxxx.” You know that doesn’t work with your children, why do you think God would be like that?

http://AddaURLtothiscomment NillaMo

Regards to Brother D…

“The Jehovah’s Witnesses does not throw anybody out. The person leaves on their on accord. The Kingdom Hall is a public place of worship and does not bar anybody from coming in to learn about the bible teachings. It’s the announcement in the Kingdom Hall that shames and embarrasses the un-repented brother and sister who is leading a life that biblically incorrect whether it be un-repented immoral conduct or behavior and including false teachings.”

So, if a brother or sister said that they disagreed with the teaching that Sodom and Gommorah residents would be ressurected, that would be a false teaching and you would disfellowship them, correct? So, if you shamed them in 1952, would you publicly apologize and stop shaming them in 1965? Or if you shunned them and called them “mentally diseased” in 1982 when they believed that Sodom and Gommorah residents would NOT be ressurected, would you then publicly apologize and stop shaming them in 1989?

If you answer that question honestly, brother, it isn’t “false teachings” that you disfellowship for … it is “teachings that do not currently agree with the Watchtower Society view.”

How about if I accepted a blood fraction in 1975? You would have (and did) disfellowship many. But in 1978, did you apologize and reinstate then?

As far as lifestyle, please explain why you shame people who smoke, but do not shame those who are alcoholics? Why do you not shame people who gossip? Why not shame sex offenders by warning the congregation when they are in their midst, among their children?

You love to quote 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 here, but never do you mention Jesus’ gift in 1 Corinthians 6:11?

Jesus came to minister to the sinners, to the bruised and hurting sheep without a shepherd. Can you honestly say that you follow that example? Will you love the child who was abused by his stepfather so badly for years that he has now taken up a gay lifestyle? That he sought drugs to relieve the hurt? Will you reach out and tell him that he is loved, that you want to help him, will you pray with him? Will you help him to a relationship with Jesus and healing? Or will you disfellowship him and deny him all access to his friends and family members who would help?

Why do “apostates” become so adamant? Are they some kind of “psycho” because they see their friends hurting and speak up about it?

Why do you go door to door? What if you spent years as a Catholic and then become a Jehovah’s Witness and go door to door, preaching that the Catholics are wrong? Are you a psycho, by your own definition?

There are millions of people hurting in your flocks. People who commit suicide, are driven to murder. I couldn’t even count the numbers of your members who need anti-depressants to get through life. I left the abusive marriage with your church. But I left behind millions of children – should I not do everything in my power to help them?

http://www.watchtower.org JW Elder

The Jehovah’s Witnesses Troll spamming here with multiiple user names is the same Steve Klemetti he is an embarassment to the organization and disfellowshipped for apostasy

Jehovah’s Witnesses do not seem to understand that their nutty cult handlers now have absolute power over them through extortion and blackmail. They hold their families and friends captive, forcing them to shun any that choose to escape. They lie and claim that anyone is free to go; however, going comes with a very costly price tag; losing your family and only friends you ever had. It’s as nutty a cult as the Unification Church or the People’s Temple in Jonestown, complete with secret “elders meetings.” The only difference is they haven’t drank the poisoned kool-aid yet. Any group that has meetings where the majority of members may not attend is up to no good, in spite of whatever the ones trapped inside it may think. If they don’t like someone, they meet together privately and plot how they will get rid of the person and make it look like they were using the bible to do it. The ones trapped inside would obviously have nothing but loyalty toward their slaveholders; if they dare speak out in opposition to the tyranny, they are labeled “mentally diseased.” And, the ones that throw around the label the most think they are somehow honoring Christ; when, in reality, they have the most skeletons in their own closets. Why is this happening? It is because JWs’ “minds must be cleansed”(Watchtower, June 1, 1953, p. 350 par. 24).

http://AddaURLtothiscomment CarmC

If people that leave the Watcxh Tower organization are mentally diseased perhaps they have a good reason to believe and financial claim that the Watch Tower brought about their condition.

The Watch Tower can be sued for defamation by those showing no mental illness and for the cost of treatment, pain and suffering by those showing a distraught state of mind caused by Watch Tower doctrine.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Guy Richards

The leaders of the Watchtower Society have vaccilated over the years on their views of the treatment of disfellowshipped individuals. Russell still considered those who opposed him as “brothers.” Rutherford enforced a harsher punishment. Under his regime he encouraged a separation of believers and unbelievers.

Under Knorr one could still communicate with family members provided “spritual things” were not discussed. But then came the great failure of 1975 when thousands of numbers left the organization and began to question the authority of the “governing body.” Open Bible discussions at the headquarters were
looked upon as suspicious. And a paradoia took hold with many being accused as “apostates.” This spread to the local congregations and continues to this day.
Sadly the Watchtower lost some of its brightest and best members. The argument that shunning is a personal choice is fallacious. The numerous articles in the Watchtower since 1981 have branded ex-members with hateful and hurtful names. And it has encouraged shunning as part of the punishment.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Sanmarie2

Thank you so much for addressing this issue. The JW practice of shunning has split my family and caused incredible heartache. They need to be exposed.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Danny Haszard

It’s a metaphor people. Relax. If you believe it was a literal mental diagnosis of apostates, then it is you that is mentally diseased.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Bill Carruth

The bottom line? You don’t have to be nuts to join the Watchtower’s gaggle of Jehovah’s
Witnesses sheep…BUT IT HELPS! And if you’re not nuts when you join you will be after a few meetings: If, of course, you follow all the ludicrous prohibitions demanded of those “….in the truth!”Being a dedicated Witness proves that brainwashing works….no doubt about it.

http://www.dannyhaszard real Danny Haszard

The post above dated oct 3 1:37 pm as DannyHaszard is a troll criminal stalker impersonating me this is how Jehovah’s Witnesses contribute.

The troll who usually does this as his MO is one Steve Klemetti.

Cheers,real Danny Haszard dannyhaszard(dot)com

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Adam Parahel

The best defense against catching this apostate disease is to wash your brains thoroughly and often with consistent meeting attendance, obsessive reading of the NWT aided by various WTBTS publications, and the repeated utterance of the phrase “Jehovah please help me!”

Reading two Watchtower articles and calling your favorite loving elders in the morning is also advised for optimal recovery. Nothing beats the healing power of “elder prayer!”

After having come into contact with a person infected with the apostate disease and seeking help for your symptoms from your favorite loving elders it may be determined that you are to be avoided at all costs and “quarantined” from the congregations.

Shunning will then be advised via a vague announcement by the loving elders from the platform at the next congregational meeting.

The vague announcement is done so the remaining ignorant congregation members can have the loving hope that you only committed an unclean sexual act or smoked a cigarette and therefore are not 100% lost from Jehovah’s favor. (This way they can hold out hope of your return to Jehovah’s organizationion.)

However, if the stage of your disease is terminal then a blunt statement that you now have full-blown apostate disease will more than likely be stated. (Probably indirectly through gossip.)

Documented transitional routes of the apostate disease are:
1)direct eye contact or a shared smile with an infected person;
2)the exchange of respectful greetings such as “hi,” “hello,” “good day,” “good evening,” and “goodnight.”;
3)inhalation of an infected individual’s exhaled breath (extreme caution should be held when sharing enclosed spaces with a suspected apostate. It is wise to hold your breath until you can acquire fresh air.);
4)hearing an infected person’s voice;
5)reading anything- through any medium- that an apostate infected person wrote;
6)touching anything that belongs to an apostate infected person;
7)and any acknowledgement of an apostate infected person’s existence or basic humane rights.

*Complete disrespect of apostate infected people has been shown to ward off potential infections and should be regularly practiced should you ever be in a dangerous situation near an apostate diseased individual. Uttering Jehovah’s name in your disrespectful remarks also helps.

Understandably, due to the severely contagious nature of this disease, the blatant avoidance and emotional neglect of suspected and/or potentially infected persons is to be strongly enforced by the loving elders to keep the rest of the congregation free of any and all apostate illnesses.

Individuals within the congergation are allowed to choose whether or not to avoid an infected person. However, they are made fully aware that any and all contact with such an individual will result in themselves having to be quarantined from the congregations.

The congregations will not survive an apostate outbreak. Only those lacking any and all critical thinking skills are 100% immune to this disease.

Currently there are no accurate tests available to determine an individuals immunity, therefore extreme caution is a must in all cases involving the apostate disease and shunning is understandably rigidly enforced.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Milford Woodard

Are they saying that non-members are diseased, then that’s everybody else. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. They are judging other peoples/religions – only GOD JUDGES.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Matt

They have more love for murder’s and genocidal tyrants than they do for even their own family members who do not believe as them any more. What this is is an attempt to scare jw’s in the internet age where true stories are told by x jw’s, and how hypocrisy runs rampant in their headquaters. They are trying to control jw’s internet usage by these scare tactics.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment SD Steve

Boy, a religious organization quotes a scripture and applies it and some people just go crazy. Is not quoting scripture what a Christian religious organization is supposed to do?

“Brother D” above did a neat job of clarifying the origin of the Biblical text, if it actually required clarifying. I feel confident that the police will also find that no laws have been broken in England or elsewhere for quoting scripture.

The difference between Danny Haszard, apostates in general, and Jehovah’s Witnesses, is that Jehovah’s Witnesses openly and painstakingly explain what they believe and why they believe it. They do not ever resort to lies, mischaracterizations, or other “bending of truths” to communicate their beliefs. If they do not agree with a belief or practice they clearly inform the reader (or listener) why they do based upon scripture. They do not expect all to agree with them.

Those who may qualify as an apostate have left what they once vowed to dedicate their lives to (baptism) and now actively work to tear down the beliefs of their former brothers and sisters who, strangely, are happy and desirous of keeping their vow. Witnesses do not want to hear it.

The apostate more often than not has nothing of their own to preach or disseminate except the “unteaching”. Nothing deep, nothing caring, nothing of their own.

Millions of us have been Witnesses for many decades and are acutely aware of both the imperfections of apostates and of any earthy organization. We openly, and with our own alert and ever praying/reading/studying,meditating minds, accept the “truth” as understood by Jehovah’s Witnesses and are completely grateful that there is an organization, a “slave”, as foretold, that is wonderfully and exhaustively caring for us in these difficult times.

Others should/could/may be grateful for the monumental worldwide volunteer efforts, of millions of Witnesses Earth wide, to simply bring a message of hope, and a Godly compass, to their fellowman in this rapidly declining world.

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http://AddaURLtothiscomment Danny Haszard lover

The post from SD Steve is compsed just to slander personal attack Danny Haszard these Jehovah’s Witnesses trolls really are just like Scientology thugs.

Keep up the good work Danny Haszard

http://?? Truthsayer

The JW comments here are very misleading. most of those former “Witnesses” dedicated their lives to God and Scripture, not to an organization and its dictates. With time many came to see there was a tremendous gulf between scriptural truth, and what the Watchtower was/is teaching. Therfore these were forced to “seperate themselves” from these liars, and were subsequantly “cast out”, as our Lord prophecied that they would be.

The “mentally diseased” arrgumentative ones are those who have willingly chosen to believes the lies of a religious organization (WBTS), rather than the light of God’s word.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Saratoga

Jay (posted September 30, 2011 at 1:38 pm) saids:

“Dr. Lonnie D. Kliever (1932 – 2004), Professor of Religious Studies of the Southern Methodist University­, in his paper The Reliabilit­y of Apostate Testimony about New Religious Movements that he wrote upon REQUEST FOR SCIENTOLOGY”

“Requiest for Scientology” .No comment. Everything has been said.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment jaime densmore

They are just plain spooky, they threaten people with homeless, with faux blame, and accuse others of mental illness, to qualify their evil. They hate the true cross…

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Serena1970@att.net

I wouldn’t say mentally diseased, maybe slightly ignorant, but still they hold on to what they believe.1 Consequently, my brothers beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, stand firm in this way in [the] Lord, beloved ones.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Chris

Jesus told us the slave is not greater than the Master.
He was a man who kept the Jewish covenant.
In so doing, he exposed the falsehoods of the religious institution in his life.
An institution that stole the goodwill directed toward God and abused it to garner power for themselves.
When conspiring to kill Jesus, they admitted that they did not want to lose their “position”.
Basically, ‘Shut down his voice any way you can!’
The voices of those who follow Jesus will likewise be a target of those who want to keep ‘control’.
It takes courage to address real truth.
Just be grateful the Watchtower Corporation haven’t got the power to crucify literally. They can still only crucify, ‘literarily’.

Mike

Actually, the comment made in this issue of the WT comes from 1 Tim. 6:4, a quote from the Bible and was not just JW’s personal opinion toward those they consider to be apostates.

You’ll notice:

“But doting – Margin, “sick.” The Greek word – νοσέω noseō – means properly to be sick; then to languish, to pine after. The meaning here is, that such persons had a sickly or morbid desire for debates of this kind. They had not a sound and healthy state of mind on the subject of religion. They were like a sickly man, who has no desire for solid and healthful food, but for that which will gratify a diseased appetite.”

If you don’t like the comment made by the WT, take it up with the Apostle Paul, or better yet, the One who inspired the writing of that scripture.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment RickyG

I will add Young’s Literal Transaltion of 1 Timothy 6:4.

1Ti 6:3-5

3.if any one be teaching otherwise, and do not consent to sound words — those of our Lord Jesus Christ — and to the teaching according to piety,

4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and word-striving, out of which doth come envy, strife, evil-speakings, evil-surmisings,
5 wranglings of men wholly corrupted in mind, and destitute of the truth, supposing the piety to be gain; depart from such;

So, anyone that has an argument against the NWT, fail to understand that others too recognize that Paul was speaking of those who start teaching “other” doctrines because of their “great wisdom” and they are apostates, no longer feeding at the table of Jehovah.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Monk21

They are not Christians they are Johnny come latelies. They changed the Bible to suit their idiotic minds and then they say others have a mental problem. Say hi to the modern world!

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Will

The quote below is not from a JW Bible.
1 Timothy 6:4 (Contempor­ary English Version)
“…they don’t really know a thing. Their minds are sick, and they like to argue over words.”

One can tell from the comments who above fall into that category.
Like the guy said “blame the Bible, not the JWs”.

There are real problems in the world but no “Christian” wishes to address them.

Pakistani police tell family of kidnapped, raped 12-year-old girl to return her to captors

http://AddaURLtothiscomment erik

jesus hung out with prostitutes and the sick because that’s where his help was needed. finally, a group of people who know better than jesus. well done, fascists.

i like pie. fascists don’t. that’s how you know who’s a fascist.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Tom

“Detectives are investigating whether the article is in breach of Britain’s religious hatred laws, reports the daily Telegraph.”

I’m not a JW, but I think this is the scariest part of the article.

I don’t care how nutty someone’s beliefs are. If they want to believe I’m mentally diseased for disagreeing with them, they ought to be able to say so without being prosecuted. What kind of wussy society can’t tolerate free expression of screwy ideas like this for fear of accidentally hurting someone’s feelings?

http://AddaURLtothiscomment vs

Its not a matter of being mentally deseased because you dont agree with the Witness,but because they have abandon the healthfull teachings of Gods word and replaced them with an immoral lifestyle or selfish pursuit or no longer is their thinking in agreement with the bible.Even Jesus said the Jews were spiritually sick because they ddnt hold on to the truth,but pursued their own selfish longing I am appaled at the great lenght this ex-witnesses who act in a similar way as those disloyal Jews go to try and misrepresent what the Watchtower is trying to convey!Anyone who has read the bible can clearly see that these people act more like apostates than christians,because they misrepresent the truth!

http://AddaURLtothiscomment vs

Just wanted to clear up that I was refering to the ex-witnesses acting more like apostates than christians when they misrepresent comments made in the Watchtower

http://JehovahWitnessarelikethenationstheypreachabout. manwithoutlaw

The world was going to come to an end in 1914 and 1925 and 1975 never did they admitted they called on Gods name and ask for forgiveness like they tell the disfellowshipped ones they are talking about being mentally diseased. And if they knew how to have faith in Jesus wouldn’t they just leave everyone alone? He did say if they do not take you in dust the feet off and go to the next city! And take your peace back. They look to me the only thing they witnessed is Jehovah but didnt reconize his son whom he sent and are just as the nations they oh so talk about just going through the motions. Talking the talk but not walking the walk like so many hypocrites.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Debbie

Wow Brother D..I couldn’t find King James in my bible. Probably because I am a Christian. My bible don’t consist of that. Christians don’t hate. If my family member decides to go into another religion I wont hate them nor will JESUS. Nor will a Christian Church. JW get banned The crimes start. JW is a way to get out of holidays and the ultimate control of the family.. “Do onto others like you want to be done to”

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Debbie

If God decides the end of the world..I got my life insurance Its called being a Christian.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Clear Thinking

I agree. The disease is called SANITY!!

http://jwitness.wordpress.com/ Jay

Another hatchet job about the Witnesses by those who refused to live up to Bible standards. Yes, it is easier to moan and whine over imagined slights here. Cowardly way to “get back” at those who supposedly offended you.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment The Bible Answer Man

Well,since the term “Mentally Diseased” is a medical term, the the WTS OWES us medical data AND research. So WTS, please email me all your data and research PROVING that leaving the WTS makes people “mentally diseased”. You can email me at thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com What? No records? Oh, that’s right..they’re up in heaven with Jehovah since he’s the great physician. UNTIL YOU CAN PROVE YOUR STATMENT WITH MEDICAL DATA,it’s nothing but a waste of paper and ink.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment The Bible Answer Man

This post is for “Jay” who posted on September 30, 2011. You posted: …”
Maybe the “lapsed Witnesses” forgot this scripture : “(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) 9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.” Or should we just remove that scripture from the Bible to make the “lapsed Witnesses” happy”.

Funny you should mention removing verses. In the WTS NWT of the bible, Rev 1:10-13 reads as such: “By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet, saying “what you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations …”

My Bible (NKJV) and all other 23 translations reads like this: I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and,“What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

Question: What Biblical MERIT or RIGHT do the WTS bible scholars (by the way, who the hell are they?)have to REMOVE the words “Alpha and Omega” in this verse? If Rev 1:8 CLEARLY states that Jehovah IS the Alpha and Omega, and in Rev 1 10-13 John CLEARLY states JESUS IS the Alpha and Omega… Looks like your lovely Governing Body does’t like that idea so since they coudln’t work around it – THEY JUST YANKED IT OUT! Wow.. Can you ask them why? Oh, that’s right, you can’t. Mmmmm I smell a rat. Email me. I’d love to hear your answer. thebibleanswerman@hotmail.com I leave you with this: Rev 22:19: and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life…” TBAM

http://AddaURLtothiscomment The Bible Answer Man

Well, this video explains a lot. My wife was recently diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. She was shunned by her parents (before she married me) and then her sister shunned her last November. My wife is now in a rehab facility. After speaking to her psychologist, she is convinced that the WTBTS is RESPONSIBLE for her condition with her parents being ACCOUNTABLE (long story, but it makes sense when explained) for shunning her. Since “mentally diseased” is a medical term, I will be asking the WTS for all data and research accordingly. I know they will not have this data. Why? Because Jehovah is the “great physician” therefore, all records are up in heaven with him. But since my wife is here on earth, so are the best attorneys. Therefore, I will be hiring on hell of a lawyer and suing the WTBTS for mental and emotional abuse. For others who think they may have a case, don’t do “class action”… it takes too much time and the rewards are why too little. Sue individually. If we keep hitting them right in the pocketbook, this organization will fizzle in 10 years or less. TBAM

http://AddaURLtothiscomment Timonthy Harps

I were baptized in 1986, and I didn’t understand this religion fully, now it’s 2012, and I don’t agree with this religion because it cause a lot of pain within Families, and cause Family ruin and families to break up. I agree this religion takes a toll on it members mentally.

http://AddaURLtothiscomment marie dexter

Praise Jesus, My mind HAS been made new, and I enjoy “de ease” since I left that cult of deceit, bondage and fear. I now know freedom in Christ. I do know the Truth, and it has indeed set me free!
Thank you Jesus for rescuing me!

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