Ever see a president-in-office dance with the devil? Perhaps yesterday was as close as one has gotten.

In his pasodoble with the The First Amendment to the United States Constitution (expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws "respecting an establishment of religion" or that prohibit the free exercise of religion, infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to peaceably assemble, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances) Obama reached out to Jewish and Christian clergy through a conference call and webcast Wednesday evening, urging the leaders to push health care reform from the pulpit.

Since our country’s beginning the pulpit has also served as a political platform. Theologians/clergy have always been at the forefront of social reform and nothing is different in modern times. Health care reform is also a moral issue not just economic.

Politicians are such politicians. They use faith when it’s in their best interest.

If Obama thinks that Health Care goes to the heart of who we are as a people, then what of those babies in Illinois that survived abortions? He voted to deny them medical attention or should I say, “Health Care”. Hummmm

The same govt that has taken prayer out of schools and the ten commandments out of court rooms but somehow finds a place in politics. He needs to focus on other issues and stop beating the dead horse. He needs to spend more time at work in the White House instead of taking his family on vacations every week on tax payers money. He should focus on creating jobs, getting rid of illegal aliens, and drilling for our own oil. I would say lower taxes but that won't happen, hell neither will the other 3 I mention happen either.

Funny how Obama wouldn't participate in National Prayer Day because he didn't want to mix politics and religion. If my preacher starts pushing Obama's healthcare crap on Sunday, he is going to get yelled down in the middle of his sermon.

Im with you on this one too, but i know my pastor wouldnt do it. Im sure he will have something to say about Obama trying to push this and he will tie it in with his message but he wont be promoting it. It is funny to watch him bite his tounge sometimes because you cant ever tell who voted for Obama in our congregation. He basically will just say that we need to pray for the right things to come and happen and for God to help Obama with his decision making.

I THINK oBAMA WAS ASKED THE QUESTION WOULD HE BE ON OUR HEALTHCARE PLAN TO AND EVERYONE IN WASHINGTON AND HE DIDNT ANSWER THE QUESTION. I AM TAKING THAT AS A NO. EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES SHOULD HAVE THE SAME HEALTHCARE NONE ABOVE AND NONE BELOW OR LEAVE IT ALONE.

Further more, I think it is a travesty that Christians follow such a man like Obama. This is the same man who stood up in a church pulpit and made the comment, “I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth”. Is it me, or does that sound so similar to what was said in Isaiah 14 where a certain being made several “I will” statements.

Let me say this to Christians, in the movie “The Preacher’s Wife”, Denzel Washington’s character (Angle Dudley) said this to Courtney B. Vance (Preacher) while crossing his two fingers, “Henry, I’m like this with the creator of the universe, now you don’t think a little door is going to stop me do you.” Every Christian can make that statement so we don’t need a government to provide for us nor do we obtain our identity from a godless state. Obama is not a savior, there is only ONE Savior and His name is Jesus.

We need to stop supporting these candidates that are secretly trying to remove God from every aspect of society and that include Obama.

John Stott the English Theologian said this, “If the state commands what God forbids, or forbids what God commands, then our plain Christian duty is to resist, not to submit, to disobey the state in order to obey God …Whenever laws are enacted which contradict God’s law, civil disobedience becomes a Christian duty.”

Now that’s peaceful resistance.

We need to follow the examples of the mid-wives in Exodus, Daniel concerning the edict of Darius, the three Hebrew boys concerning Nebuchadnezzar’s command, and John and Peter when they were told to stop preaching in the name of Jesus. God always strengthens those who will not submit to a godless state.

Well, Anonymous, you should read what the Constitution says about religion and separation of church and state. You liberals always get that mixed up.
The Bible is not a religion, Christianity is, Islam is, and Buddhism is. The Bible has and still confirms historical events. If you and your scientist who have dedicated their lives to debunk the Bible would take the time to read it and see its benefit on society I think you would change your mind. As you know, the Bible is still the best selling book. :O)

As a true Christian, Christ should affect every aspect of your life. You can't tell God, I've got to run this country now, so you wait over there until I need you. This is true hypocrisy. (Obama style) I do truly feel sorry for those who do not know Christ and I mean that in a true sense, not mocking. Life is hard and without God's presence in my life, I don't know how I would get through it at times.

One thing that is really hurting our country is the ACLU. They are going after so many people now and I feel Americans should voice their opinion of those who prosecute those who want to pray in public. Even Obama said after his meeting with religous groups "God Bless America". Are they going to sue him for saying this? I think not. But what is the difference?

No one said anything about teaching religion in schools but I feel there should be a morning prayer or moment of silence and the Pledge of Allegiance to begin the day and said with the word God in it. You are in America and children should be raised to be proud of this country. I do not feel that religion should be taught in schools.

I'm all for a trade off in the area of religion and government. So I say, keep government out of religion and keep religion out of government. For those churches and religious organizations that are totally politicized, those that own real estate and businesses that compete with private industry-tax them like private industry. Than maybe we could sort out the devout from the posers.

Religion is mans search for God. Christianity is Gods search for man and therefore is not a religion. Confusing? I know.

When World Views Collide; Author: Ergun Caner

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Ergun Caner—and his brother, Emir—know the importance of persistence. Raised as Sunni Muslims, the brothers were converted to Christianity as teens through the unrelenting witness of a young school friend.

They also know firsthand the differences and difficulties involved in such a radical conversion. Yet, Dr. Caner and his brother truly took their new faith to heart, and both have become respected seminary professors and experts in church history. In fact, Ergun Caner is president of Liberty Theological Seminary in Lynchburg, VA.

listening to preachers and other religious waco's is what got us in this mess to begin with .why do you folks want prayer in schools?cant you practice your religion at home?why do you want to shove your religious beliefs down other peoples kids throats?i'm sorry you have to have some preacher or some book of stories to tell you how to live your life because you can't figure that one out for your self, but i guess some people are just that way.
you dont like that well neither di the navive americans!just ask what christians brought for them all in the name of god!smallpox,yellow feavor,VD but hay god loved them.this is how he showed it?that was love?you either beleive the tails in this book or by god we'll kill you!
now we have someone in the white house
thats using it again to try and destory this country.

Hate to change the subject but just read that the Obama administration has pledged $2 billion to Brazil to help them drill for oil off their coast and could give them another $10 billion. First of all wtf and what is he planning to do, borrow it from China? Do you think Obama played a lot of momoploy as a child? Before long our money will be as worthless as monopoly money.

“Ladies and gentlemen, if you were to analyze just one contingency in the early picoseconds of the universe”—a picosecond is how long it takes the speed of something moving at the speed of light to traverse the breadth of a single strain of hair—he said, “If you look at the early picoseconds of this universe and analyze just one contingent, the expansion and relation to the contraction, do you know how precise that had to be?” He said, “It would be like taking aim at a one-square-inch object at the other end of the universe twenty billion light years away and hitting it bull’s eye.”

By they way, a light year is: 5.88 trillion miles

Hummm...sounds like the Universe was created for the benefit of man. :O)

Sure, but first let me state unequivocally, I am NOT a card-carrying member of the ACLU. Nor do I support the majority of what they do. Having said that, they historically have done a great deal for individual liberties in this country.
The ACLU (among other organizations) fought to secure women the right to vote. The ACLU has tirelessly fought all forms of racial discrimination. The ACLU fought to secure the right of women to choose whether or not to have an abortion. The ACLU fought many provisions of the Patriot Act that allowed the government to spy on US citizens without first securing a warrant. No citizen had ever won a freedom of speech case in the US Supreme Court prior to the ACLU taking on such cases. The ACLU won the right for family members of US servicemen killed in combat to place the religious symbol of their choice on the serviceman's grave in federal cemeteries. The ACLU stopped the government from excluding citizens from jury service on the basis of gender.
I can go on and on if you like...

preach it brother tell it like it is!i'll bet if the indians had it to do all over again they would kill the europeans right there on the beach.you can keep your religion along with all your other junk.we're doing just fine an have been doing so long before you or your god ever was thought of so just trun around and head back where you came from

Maybe Hitler is saving a seat for obama in Hell and he will finally get in the hot seat he deserves. With his abortion approval, he has out-killed Hitler anyway. I think Charles Manson would have been a better choice for Prez......at least his opinion and word has remained stable for over 40 years.

I must give obama credit for teaching me one thing....how to use a remote effectively. When his name or face pops on that screen, I can change that channel quicker than he can print money borrowed from China.

Since you're going to bash him anyway why miss this one. Sure it's immoral to pray for people to have affordable healthcare. How often do you pray for God to support our troops in the war effort. We've reached the time when people will call good evil and call evil good. I'm just a sick twisted immoral liberal though, what do I know?

“Truth”….if the Buddhist are correct then we can all reach Nirvana. If the Hindus are correct then we will all be reincarnated and still pay for what ever we did in our previous life. If the naturalist and evolutionist are correct then no one will ever know. But if Christians are correct and Jesus is who He claimed to be then according to the Bible, there is no regress. There is no going back to change anything. It saddens me that man thinks that he is the measure of all things. This universe is so vast that we are but a speck of the tiniest dust particle on a world of dirt and yet you say there is no God. To make such an arrogant boast is so foolish. What will you say to God when you stand before Him? What is the harm in being Christian and worshiping something bigger than you are?

England was saved from self destruction by a man named John Wesley. Slavery was abolished in England because of a man name William Wilberforce. America’s founding principals were based upon the God that you seem to hate so much. These men and others did what they did because they believed in an Eternal God who participates in the affairs of men.

I pray that you will get down on your needs every night for the next few months and pray and ask Jesus if He is who He claims to be that He will reveal Himself to you.

You don't give me enough credit. I said I'm "not" a member of the ACLU. I didn't say I "have never been" a member. Believe it or not, not everyone out there has to Google for information. Some of us actually earned an education.

First you must realize there is a caps lock on your computer. Second ,prayer in schools can be silent and should be. I wouldn't my child exposed to another child praying to buddha. It seems like the majority never wins in this country. Prayers were banned before football games because of one person or people like you.

It is immoral, unfair, unAmerican, illogical, unacceptable, irresponsible, sneaky, etc. for Americans to pay for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS,
(including obama's illegal immigrant Aunt's) Healthcare. But of coarse Abortion Murders will come down in price when Dummy obummy slides this one through.

Remarks like yours are the very reason I think we should not ban prayer or a mention of our God in public. Whatever has made you so bitter must have been traumatic. I am so glad there is a higher power, and that there is forgiveness for all who call on His name. I do hope this will happen for you while you are still alive. I'm not trying to be hateful or sarcastic, only concerned.

They don't condone abortion or any other form of murder, and you statement to that effect (once again) eviscerates what little credibility you might have had on the subject. The ACLU has never taken a position on the moral rightness or wrongness of abortion, they merely advocate the position that if I decide it's the best thing for me, my family and my life to have an abortion then that very personal decision of MINE is none of your, or anybody else's, business.

If I decide to pull the plug on a love one at the end of their life, is that murder? If I draft a living will and direct that the plug be pulled on me if certain circumstances arise, is that suicide? Is the government carrying out a death sentence murder? You might argue that those are different...that they are "legal" acts or they are "justified". Well, abortion is legal too, and there are just as many good arguments for its morality as for its immorality. The fact that some individuals are too obtuse and closed-mined to listen to the other side (& it goes in both directions) does not give either position the moral high ground.

Unlike yourself, and a select few other Barnesvillians, the ACLU doesn't presume to know, or push, what they think is "right" for everybody. The only thing the ACLU pushes is that everybody has the (legal) right to decide for themselves what is (morally) right for them. No one's moral manifesto should dictate the terms of anyone else's life.

It is nice to be able to vent, but lets face it....it is what it is and no matter what you say nothing is going to change.
The airplane is flying at 35000 feet and when it gets ready to make the crash landing all you can do is hold on because you are not in control. Enjoy the ride folks because it will get worst before it gets better.
I have to agree with Sheila on one thing, I am also grateful for my TV remote, it seems as if the election never ended. The only difference now is we as tax payers are paying for all the ads and air time.

There is no fixing the mess we are in by anyone. So there is no need to worry. Be thankful for what we had long ago. We spent it all over the last 50 years, including a very large portion on the Iraq war to attack a country that produced ZERO terrorists and held Iran at bay. Now thanks to that great Iraq mistake, Iran actually has more power and we have to pay the bill for the huge mistake our past christian president made.

Americans need to wake up and get their heads out of the sand regarding the "CHANGE".
PLEASE contact your representatives and get involved. You can make a DIFFERENCE!
Now is the time to act before it's too late!!!!!

Jesus didn’t claim to be anybody else but in his own words, “The some of man”. It was those who came after his death that declared that he was something else. If I found myself standing before God I would tell her that she has a lot of explaining to do.

You say "the only thing the ACLU ppushes is that everybody has the legal right to decide for themselves what is morally right for them." NOT TRUE. When the two men in Florida said a blessing before their meal the ACLU immediately jumped on them and decided to press charges. Why did they not have the right to pray before eating? This was not during school and no children were involved. Also the lady teacher, attending a banquet, away from school - meaning not on school grounds, no children attending, who asked her husband to say grace before the meal. Enter the ACLU again. If these people feel prayer is morally right before a meal, how can you say the ACLU is pushing their legal right to decide for themselves what is morally right for them?

My apologies. What do little dead babies matter anyway. Because people can't keep their legs together. Abortion is 100% not like those untried and true birth control pills. Only 99.9%. Who knows in this old world anymore. If your Mom had gotten an abortion, would it be a better world today? Probably at least by one.

Ms. Walker,
I agree with you that ones belief should affect every aspect of their life. I also agree that we should feel very fortunate about what we believe is true within our own spiritual understanding. If your faith does not bring inner peace, it may be time to choose another that will.
I don’t feel sorry for those who have yet to find what they seek in life, because as the saying goes, “When the student is ready a teacher will appear”. Love does not wait on time, it waits on welcome. I don’t believe that praying in public is illegal. It’s force prayer which has become illegal. As for me, I pray 24/7. I, with every breath and every step, live my life with an awareness of the presence of a higher truth. It’s just that I must continually to make an effort to make myself available to it. The term “True Christian” is one I have never been able to use. I have found that the word truth is not an absolute, but a direction we all some how try to move toward. Some of us find ourselves little closer than others and we usually express it in gratitude. I believe God blesses us all, not just a particular nation, even the little pigmies in the Congo….;-) When we say “God bless America” what we are really saying is that. “May we as a nation, chose to move closer in the direction of a great truth. I have faith that we will. Sometimes we just take a round about way of getting there.

It is not about money. It is about enough people to support morals that support Americans. Smoke American grown pot not imported crack. Hire Americans not illegal blood-sucking immigrants. obama should stand up and say, "Hello, America, can't you take a joke." If he can say a sentence that long without his teleprompter. Then a short, fat bald man should say, "Smile you are on Candid Camera." Then he and his gang should get on Burma or Bust Airlines and fade into the sunset like a bad dream. Only after he picks up his illegal immigrant aunt.

I encourage you and your readers to read this blog post, written by Rabbi David Saperstein, Director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, about President Obama's phone call last week with nearly 1,000 rabbis of all streams of Judaism: http://blogs.rj.org/rac/2009/08/there_has_been_some_discussion.html.

Paragraph 6, Line 1..Kate. Why didn't obama stop the call at that second and Call in whoever thinks for him and say, 'No Thank You Mr. Rabbi, I haven't gotten around to changing that separation of Church and State thing yet.' People who believe that Cover Up, Follow Up, BS, Twittering, Terrorist Loving, Teleprompting, Military Hating, Kenyan.........is more stupid than he is.

obama Motto: If at first you don't succeed....change the rules.

There is nothing wrong with the obama supporters.....that becoming taxpayers will not cure.

Good Morning America, stop and listen to this! They
(obummer and senators and congressmen) are
in control of us. They think we are their peasants,
like long ago in England. They will tell us what we
can have and not have.
Are we going to keep takeing this? Or do something
about it?

First, please allow me to define the word "true" in my understanding -- it is a positive fact. Jesus is the Son of God. When you refer to God as "her" I don't know if you are being funny or what. "Son" has always referred to the male gender as far as I know. If you think forced prayer is illegal, why is it not illegal to ban prayer? I think the ACLU has probably run its course for the benfit of the American People. No, I don't think God only blesses America -- He created us all. I'm not trying to argue with you only trying to show you that we don't all agree - which is okay - until it infringes upon our rights as American citizens.

In lieu of abortion murders, Total Government Control and being an enabler to an imcompetent President... Robin Hood obama. Taxpayers must buy him some green tights so he can go back to Sherwood Forest.All things considered a dose of rage is healthy.

It was nice of you to weigh in on this comment. Contrary to your understanding, The health care reform will not subsidize abortions and Pres. Obama is no more responsible for the tragedy of abortion than any other president, so why are you consistently trying to pin this on him? I hope one day you do not find yourself out of a job, out of health care insurance, out of money and in bad health. Health care reform is a moral issue that involves almost 50 million American that are presently uninsured and most for reasons not of their own doing. I am completely confused how American Christianity can separate their ethics from their theology. They can scream relentlessly about the unborn, yet stand in the way and allow tens of millions of Americans already living among them to endure needless suffering because of lacking insurance. Another thing…The House plan does not cover the illegal alien or is out to kill Grandma, so don’t jump on that band wagon.

Who Pays the ACLU's Lawyers?
Why, you do, of course. Every time the ACLU files a suit, by current law, their lawyers are paid from your taxes. When the ACLU wins a case against the Boy Scouts, the public display of the Ten Commandments, veterans memorials, and other symbols of American history and heritage guess who pays them? You do! However, there is current legislation going before the Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution, as well as a companion bill going before the House that is designed to put a stop to this...The ACLU supports many radical causes, and while they may have every right to do so, it should not be at the expense of taxpayers that do not support such causes.

You actually seem too intelligent to believe this garbage that you speak. Are you just trying to get people to blog? I hope so. If abortions are done in a medical building rather than a back ally, taxpayers will pay for them. Illegals will get as good or better treatment from your money and mine. Don't be naive. You don't care anyway, you already said that if your wife had elected to abort one of your daughters, you would not have stopped her. I wish obama's Mom had gotten an abortion myself. Is there such a thing as retroactive divorces? I'll donate for his.

On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama.

The House Ways and Means Committee nixed the Heller amendment by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines, and followed this action by passing the 1,018-page bill early Friday morning by a 23-to-18 margin, with three Democrats voting against the plan.

The Democratic plan will embrace Obama’s vision of bringing free government medical care to more than 45 million uninsured people in America – a significant portion of whom are illegal aliens.

And don't ask me for the source of this data. The last time I proved you wrong with the source, you never responded to the blog again.
I don't jump on bandwagons, I lead my own parades.

Enoc says:
"I am completely confused how American Christianity can separate their ethics from their theology"....
Well I say me too Enoc.
I have seen numerous Obama/Biden bumper stickers on church buses that cater
to mostly Blacks. The bumper stickers may as well say Pro-Abortion sermons preached here!!!
How can a Christian of any color support
a pro-abortion politian of any color???
The bible makes it very clear that the unborn
child is still a living soul.
Do NOT call me a racist because I disagree
with someone's politics as a lot of Obama supporters are prone to do.
I strongly suspect some people put pride of race above all ethics, and that is very wrong.

If you want to limit your God to an anthropomorphic understanding that’s by your choice, as for me, I’ve cleared that hurdle years ago. Before then literalism just bogged me down. I used the “her” word just to tweak you a bit, my apologies. Linda, There are more stars in the universe than grains of sand in this entire blue ball we call earth. The universe does not revolute around our galaxy much less our earth. To take much of what is in theology literally has been a down fall of countless a societies. It has been the in our questions that we take our old Gods and cast them on the heap of Gods of yeastier years. Keep asking questions and make your God bigger.

My God is universal, how much bigger do you think he should be? There is only one way I know how to take God and that is through my FAITH in Him. You can use all the big words, etc., but it all boils down to whether you believe and have faith or you don't. My God is an awesome God. I agree with Sheila, when I say God bless America, that is exactly what I mean.

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