Tuesday, July 26, 2016

Two men armed with knives took several people hostage in a church in a town in France's northern Normandy region on Tuesday, a police source said. The source said between four and six people were being held by the assailants in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray.

I figured it was only a matter of time before the immigrants began attacking the churches, as they often do in Egypt and Pakistan. Assuming, of course, it is Muslims again. We don't actually know that yet.

The Belgian economy lost close to €1 billion as a result of the March 22 Brussels terror attacks, according to a new report, local media reports. An economic impact report commissioned by the government suggests Brussels’ tourism and shopping industries were hit hardest in the aftermath of the attacks, newspaper De Morgen wrote Tuesday. The Belgian capital recorded a €122.5 million drop in sales in the second quarter of this year, compared to the first months of 2016. Belgian Finance Minister Johan Van Overtveldt earlier estimated a decrease in federal tax revenues of €760 million, which represents about 0.1 percent of GDP, bringing the total loss to nearly €1 billion.

I doubt they included the cost of repairing the airport either. That won't be cheap.

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The more it costs to inflict Dieversity on your native white population, the more virtue you get to signal! Why a billion Euros and a few body piles are a BARGAIN PRICE for the warm, fuzzy feeling that you get for knowing that you're on the right side of history in THE CURRENT YEAR. Besides, all of those white people who died were probably descended from slaveowners, or from someone who once nervously crossed the street when they saw a dusky-hued foreigner walking in their direction. Human scum, whose bloodline needs to be erased as soon as possible.

One of many Great Lies by the globalists is that 3rd worlders increase and benefit 1st world economies. Yet the vast majority immediately, with leftist help, get on the welfare dole. To tell a people that importing a new aristocracy for whom they must slave away to support is an actual economic benefit to them while your real plan is soft genocide is treason of the highest form. This is what guillotines were invented for.

They are an economic benefit alright... to the elite (((globalists))) whom then use them for perpetual election power as well as a reason to take more money from the private sector at the point of a federal gun.

The only way to love and respect Muslims is to tell them they are wrong and respect their allah given rights to tell Infidels and Kafirs to submit or die. This is, after all, about love and respect.

Allah hu akbar, respect their right to be wrong where ever they want to; without us housing them, paying for them, medicating them, semi educating them, judging them, policing them. ie. let them have their own homeland! Land for peace. Really big fences. We could call the fences borders.

The other solution is church marshals. Undercover parishioners who make sure the worship doesn't get out of hand. A policeman in every building. How about a policeman in every family. We could call him a Man.

In my opinion mass immigration from Africa and Middle East into Europe is a problem no matter whether immigrants are terrorists or not. And I'm affraid that concentrating only on terrorist attacks shadows the real problems: the trust gap and social capital gaps (very visible in results of "dictator games" played for example in Middle East and Norway), lowering the social capital because of increasing diversity (as described in Putnam's paper), gaps in intelligence (by which I mean differences in average "g").

Moreover, even if all of that would be false, I'd still think that mass immigration could and should be opposed simply because people have right to live with their own kind; that jsut as native indians have right to strive to preserve their culture and blood, so have the Europeans.

Moreover, by looking at the problems created by the existence of ethnic and racial minorities, it's completely reasonable to avoid the problems by deciding NOT TO create such minorities in a first place.

The peaceful Arab immigrants are as a problem as jihadists going around with their knives.

Johnny, the BBC are in an editorial dilemma. If the priest were Gay this might have been a hate crime. If he were straight the "motives are unclear". With two dead asylum seekers the real question is how did Trump incite them?

All wars are won or lost with identity politics. The moral high ground.

shit, not "dictator games"; I forgot the name of the game: it's when everyeone is given tokens (which are at the end of the game convertible to dollars) and can contribute them to common pool or keep them. Token in common pool are multiplied and then shared amongst the players. In one variant, players can also contribute tokens in order to "punish" the free-riders. In Norway, players contribute to common pool and punish the free-riders, and punished free-riders react by contributing more to common pool. In Middle-east, players contribute much less to common pool, and non-insignicant fraction of players _punish those, who contribute more_ (instead of free-riders) and punished free-riders impose a revenge on those, who punish them.

Progressivism? Did Jesus resurrect or not. All history, science, religion, moral-cultural relativism - disappears in a puff of logic. If truth is absolute and facts reign supreme, one big group of people are either extremely wrong or extremely right.

Pre- tributed? How will politicians bring themselves to candle light vigil a priest? That would be extreme bigotry for them.

So, was a signal given by some organizing group or is this one jihadi deciding to attack after they see everyone else attacking? Either way, it appears these attacks are going to become a daily occurrence from now until the west decides to put a stop to them. The state's inability/lack of desire to control the populations they let invade is being laid bare for all to see at this point.

And the few remaining non-diversity hires in local government (our arabic street cleaners spend all day in their little van smoking dope and chatting on the taxpayers euro while the streets fill with filth to make them feel at home...I once watched them trying to run down a swan ffs [also, the "welfare" children here love spitting on swans and ducks or throwing stones at them when they are out of range - the next generation of murderous savages living off the civilised!]

Interestingly, thus far this news story is receiving very little coverage in the American MSM, none of it clearly enough written for the average person to understand that this was a Muslim attack on Christians.

Someone mentioned guillotines... we've gone beyond the point where guillotines could be considered justice. I expect the blood eagle to make a comeback before we are through. Vlad the Impaler was the civilized version. The left's embrace of barbarism for the sake of being anti-Christian and anti-white is going to rebound on them a thousandfold. Sow the wind, etc.

This is how CNN is reporting it:One man was killed and another hostage seriously wounded in an attack on a Catholic church in Normandy, France, on Tuesday, a French official has told journalists at the scene.Two men took five people hostage in the church in the town of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray during morning Mass, Interior Ministry spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet said.

Just "men" killing "people", that's all, totally random and without any discernible motive, according to CNN.

What is tragically comical is that LMSM isn't fooling anyone but their own useless idiots. When crimes are committed here in the states, and the media uses "teen" as the sole descriptor, we know the person is a black male. Likewise, "motive unclear" is direct code for "Islam again".

When you are a pathological liar (one of the five character traits of the leftist) you become totally predictable.

@32Vlad the Impaler was the civilised version.No, this is the civilised version.38:09https://youtu.be/xsRSoPVdALQ?t=2285The impaled guy was a Tatar who was raised by Polish family, who then killed his adoptive father, he gave his daughter to Tatars, and raped the adoptive brother's fiancee.

From the same movie, not that relevant, but as it's the most memorable movie scene from my childhood, I cannot resist putting a link here...

Who will now resist the enemy?Who will fight them?Who will rise our fallen hearts?

I'm not a believer but this atrocity brought tears to my eyes...tears of horror and rage. To butcher a priest in his church during the sacraments is the act of the other. Spiders, centipedes and scorpions show more humanity. These creatures are not human, and must be squashed and utterly destroyed, along with their ideology and all who hold to it.

I'm going to load up some ammunition for my 9mm and practice my draw and presentation.

One seriously wonders with reports like this if the French Police have now an unwritten policy that they won't be taking suspects in for questioning unless cameras are rolling? It's the one bright side to this story.They won't be bringing anyone to justice. People seeking martyrdom will be granted it. See, everyone's a winner, when respect is duly metered out.

The next time the pope brings them with him, they should force him to take them and others until Vatican City has it's fair share back behind it's anti-muslim walls. Every time he peeps, add another 5% muslim stock to the city by population.

I keep hearing that "the solution" is to kick the Muslims out. That doesn't solve the original problem. The original problem is the failure of the people to reproduce. Germany, France, Sweden, and others are trying to make up for their lack of children. They know their economies will collapse in the next 20 years unless there is a huge influx of workers to take care of all the pensioners. Instead of multiplying and replenishing the earth, they are bringing in Muslims to do it for them.

This is literally a case of Europe bringing in Muslims to cuckold the original inhabitants. It is like a man with a young wife bringing in pool keepers and chauffeurs to impregnate his wife and take over his house and land because he doesn't want to be bothered with raising children.

Lobo Util wrote:They know their economies will collapse in the next 20 years unless there is a huge influx of workers to take care of all the pensioners. Instead of multiplying and replenishing the earth, they are bringing in Muslims to do it for them.

You aren't paying attention. Japan has robo-nurses and no muslims. Half the native European population is becoming functionally retarded and unemployable in the automation age. Europe has more people now than before WWII.

The only people who suffer grief in a deflation are debtors and lenders; i.e. bankers and government.

Kicking out kebab is a good start. And as we all should know by now, they don't work much and when they do, mostly with low income work.

Reality check: Kebab won't save our pensions, they will drain our pensions. They are mostly dumb, violent welfare cases who are a drain on society in all respects. Even the few good ones produce bad ones.

If you're counting on the kebab saviour pension plan, expect your pension to be a pillow over your face, but only if you pay for the premium option. Otherwise it'll be half an hour of fun with a knife and an ISIS video camera.

I keep hearing that "the solution" is to kick the Muslims out. That doesn't solve the original problem. The original problem is the failure of the people to reproduce. Germany, France, Sweden, and others are trying to make up for their lack of children. They know their economies will collapse in the next 20 years unless there is a huge influx of workers to take care of all the pensioners. Instead of multiplying and replenishing the earth, they are bringing in Muslims to do it for them.

This is literally a case of Europe bringing in Muslims to cuckold the original inhabitants. It is like a man with a young wife bringing in pool keepers and chauffeurs to impregnate his wife and take over his house and land because he doesn't want to be bothered with raising children.

Except it's even worse because the pool keeper and chauffeurs are not bothering to do their actual jobs and instead are pooping in the pool and crashing your cars. They also keep trying to kill the 1 child you did manage to have with your wife.

So the problem they were originally trying to solve will never get solved because the "workers" they have brought in are not doing any work and are actively destroying things and killing productive people.

Yes, at some point the west is going to have to reneg on the pensions. The elders will throw a fit and say we just want them to go away and die. As always, agree and amplify, tell them no, you want them to go home to their loved ones and die.

Pope Frank apologizing to Muslims for the intolerance of fundamentalist Catholics, combined with the poverty and inequality caused by insufficient socialism, provoking Muslims into violence in 3.....2......

Russia Today talking about rise of the right wing in Europe. Its so obvious now that this is a deliberate attempt to destabilize Europe. Flood with nutter Muslims, encourage the rise of white hatred by trolling them, stoke up the fires. Drag everyone into conflict, justifying state violence.

Just hoping the final aim is to draw Europeans into hating Islam enough to justify a massive wipeout in ME to Make Israel Great Again.

At this point in western countries, and not yet understood by most, anyone with an IQ below 105 is a useless mouth draining assets from the rest of the country. There is a huge oversupply of unskilled labor and automation increases daily. So as third world immigrants continue to be given asylum and bring their families, it will rapidly become a question of the natives or them....I'm frankly not sure that europeans are up to the challenge.

Lobo Util wrote:You can't fix Europe's problems by just kicking out Muslims. [CUT]...The original problem is the failure of the people to reproduce. [CUT] They know their economies will collapse in the next 20 years unless there is a huge influx of workers to take care of all the pensioners.

(1) Seems to me you have not paid attention to https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/07/the-crucial-question.html

(2) All human traits are heritable. In the past, the "desire to have children" in women was irrevelant, because (a) lack of, or imperfect anticonception (b) nobody was asking women about opinion (c) there was huge social pressure to have children. Right now we see a selection for women and man actually wanting to have children, resistant to "single life is the best!" meme. The problem will solve itself within few generations.

@ 70At this point in western countries, and not yet understood by most, anyone with an IQ below 105 is a useless mouth draining assets from the rest of the country.

You're correct Pyrrhus. We need to go further than aborting just the lesser races as Sanger declared; beyond even Singer who declares that babe are not human until their second or third year; but now, you have correctly pointed out that we should wait until they have passed an IQ test in order to be considered fit to live.

Have you been tested yet? have your offspring? Cretin. Statements such as yours should cause one to be ostracized from polite company.

Sadly, I think that priest is now a martyr. You die for Jesus, you close your eyes on this life, and you open it up to the Beatific Vision. He has given His All for Our Lord.

Jacques Hamel, pray for us.

That being said...

All of the ". . .B-A-D. . ." Popes throughout history. Those who had their predecessors murdered. Those who had incestuous relations with their nieces. Those who were corrupt beyond measure (But did redeem themselves somewhat by being patrons of works of Art that people 500 years later, today, still want to see...).

ALL of them to a man knew and followed one thing: "You DON'T let the muhammedans into Europe."

And that is why our current Pope will go down in history as The. Worst. Pope.

The usual pablum fed to the conservatives is "The Daily Outrage" worked well in the past, it is a complete joke now, fodder for giggling Jon Stewarts of the world.

So the question is, "Is non-state violence now acceptable?" Will the giggling sadistic Jon Stewarts say NO, of course they will, then it will be so much easier to delegitimize them, 4GW all the way down, read "Victoria."

Scenario, in your hands is a spiffy AR-15 complete with RDS and green tip in the mag, and you're well practiced with it, on one side of you is a crazy Moham the opposite of you is a giggling sadistic Jonbot, who do you kill first?

The statement by ISIS leadership released in 2014 needs to gain wider distribution so we can see exactly what they are planning and have in mind for us. It is available several places around the web.

Notice the point about not waiting for explicit instructions before attacking.

"So O muwahhid, do not let this battle pass you by wherever you may be. You must strike the soldiers, patrons, and troops of the tawāghīt. Strike their police, security, and intelligence members, as well as their treacherous agents. Destroy their beds. Embitter their lives for them and busy them with themselves. If you can kill a disbelieving American or European – especially the spiteful and filthy French – or an Australian, or a Canadian, or any other disbeliever from the disbelievers waging war, including the citizens of the countries that entered into a coalition against the Islamic State, then rely upon Allah, and kill him in any manner or way however it may be. Do not ask for anyone’s advice and do not seek anyone’s verdict.

"Kill the disbeliever whether he is civilian or military, for they have the same ruling. Both of them are disbelievers. Both of them are considered to be waging war [the civilian by belonging to a state waging war against the Muslims]. Both of their blood and wealth is legal for you to destroy, for blood does not become illegal or legal to spill by the clothes being worn.

"If you are not able to find an IED or a bullet, then single out the disbelieving American, Frenchman, or any of their allies. Smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place, or choke him, or poison him.

"Do not lack. Do not be contemptible. Let your slogan be, 'May I not be saved if the cross worshipper and taghūt (ruler ruling by manmade laws) patron survives.'If you are unable to do so, then burn his home, car, or business. Or destroy his crops.

"If you are unable to do so, then spit in his face. If your self refuses to do so, while your brothers are being bombarded and killed, and while their blood and wealth everywhere is deemed lawful by their enemies, then review your religion. You are in a dangerous condition because the religion cannot be established without walā’ and barā’."

This is a man who walked with Christ. Ate with Christ. Laughed with Christ. He also denied him three times. Take a moment to consider the gravity of that then try to say that Frances is the worse Pope.

@77If any part of IQ is hereditary importing the 3rd world is a mistake.And that's why we should not create the impression that the only problem with immigration are IS terrorists. Even without terrorism, the problem would still exist. In fact, I'd say that terrorism-related problems are currently pretty much minor (more people dies on european roads daily than in any terrorist attack) compared to long-term fatal effects of mass immigration.

"Archbishop of Rouen describes alleged Islamist killers as “victims” in statementAway from his diocese at the World Youth Day celebrations in Krakow, Poland the archbishop of Rouen has released a statement on the death of one of his priests this morning, which strangely seems to identify both the slain clergyman and his killers as “victims”.

He said: “I have learnt with sadness of the killing this morning at the Church of Saint-Etienne du Rouvray. The three victims: the priest, Father Jacques Hamel, 84, and the perpetrators of the assassination.

“Three other people were injured, one very seriously. I cry out to God with all men of good will. I would invite non-believers to join in the cry!"

It is comical how strong the social conditioning is. Any sane society would have deported these savages years ago and even a retarded one with even a bit of a sense of self-preservation would have begun the process.

The gas-lighting of the west, and especially the females, by our foreign elites is so thorough it is difficult to get enough distance from it to see at times.

Until the parentheticals and their servants in the Lügenpresse, courts, police and militaries are overthrown and destroyed, the natives will be not be able to resist this - even should they develop the will to do so. The entire infrastructure of the EUSSR regimes are there to protect the invaders and crush any resistance to the invasion. Apart from the Swedish okrug, the French one is arguably the most cucked in the EUSSR. The Musloids and dindus are merely the boots on the ground for the greater enemy who is organizing them, and (as noted) benefits from their takeover.

The ISIS statement above should be noted as it is the instruction manual of the boots on the ground for those deliberately imported by the ruling elites. ISIS itself is a creation of the Banana Empire and its allies Israel, the Gulf States and the House of Saud. Note that for all of ISIS's braggadocio they've yet to dispose of a single bankster, treasonous appointed leader like Hollande or Merkel, or even the Lügenpresse - all of whom are infidels and eligible targets. There's been no attempt on their ally Hi-Fellatin' Franny either, who bowed before them on Lampedusa Island as they landed. The problem is both a failure of will and a failure to understand who the greater enemy is.

This is a man who walked with Christ. Ate with Christ. Laughed with Christ. He also denied him three times. Take a moment to consider the gravity of that then try to say that Frances is the worse Pope.

You stopped reading before Acts of the Apostles.

And remember, Christ shoes him because of the firey nature of his personality. He was 100 mph in whatever direction he charged. Once he received the Holy Spirit, it was 100 mph in His direction.

Who says that the prophesy was just meant for or stops at Peter? Seriously...I deny Christ and repent all the time, never mind three times in a day. Concupiscence of the human heart demands this. Any Christian who doesn't also do so; I would submit, doesn't know himself well at all.

"You stopped reading before Acts of the Apostles. "

/sigh

...look...here's the thing:

Donatism was addressed a long time ago, so putting a modern dress on it makes it no more attractive. Stick to it if you wish (...as I'm sure most will...), just remember that sword cuts both ways.

Back on topic.

The Pope has no more control over immigration of Muslims into Europe than Mr. Rogers does. We all decided a long time ago that he doesn't have that kind of power anymore. I doubt anyone in this forum would give a Catholic Pope (...Francis or otherwise...) the power to do anything given the nature of the protestations here.

FP July 26, 2016 10:30 AM "Archbishop of Rouen describes alleged Islamist killers as “victims” in statementAway from his diocese at the World Youth Day celebrations in Krakow, Poland the archbishop of Rouen has released a statement on the death of one of his priests this morning, which strangely seems to identify both the slain clergyman and his killers as “victims”.

He said: “I have learnt with sadness of the killing this morning at the Church of Saint-Etienne du Rouvray. The three victims: the priest, Father Jacques Hamel, 84, and the perpetrators of the assassination.

“Three other people were injured, one very seriously. I cry out to God with all men of good will. I would invite non-believers to join in the cry!"

Good God. Worthless, traitor leaders.

I think its not too much longer these Archbishop of Rouen types start showing up dead too, at the hands of the natives. Also traitorous journalists. Then the leftist news anchors will have to think twice before they spew their lies.

The Pope has no more control over immigration of Muslims into Europe than Mr. Rogers does. We all decided a long time ago that he doesn't have that kind of power anymore. I doubt anyone in this forum would give a Catholic Pope (...Francis or otherwise...) the power to do anything given the nature of the protestations here.

he could have spoke out against it but he didn't. he rather shame the natives instead. he's fully on board with the globalism.

Here's what Urban II, a Catholic pope once said in a similar situation (this is one of the versions passed down; we don't have the original):

"Most beloved brethren, today is manifest in you what the Lord says in the Gospel, 'Where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them.' Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God!"

Francis will never say anything like that. Francis will do nothing except to double-down on the obfuscation and denial. As a Modernist, he is an indifferentist (all religions are valid and beneficial) and a materialist (focused on worldly matters over spiritual ones), so he will never see this as a spiritual battle, but only as the result of social injustice and lack of enough government.

Don't see a story like this and think, "Oh, surely this one will wake him up and we'll get some leadership, or at least he'll stop beating up the victim." It won't. He won't.

The Pope has no more control over immigration of Muslims into Europe than Mr. Rogers does. We all decided a long time ago that he doesn't have that kind of power anymore. I doubt anyone in this forum would give a Catholic Pope (...Francis or otherwise...) the power to do anything given the nature of the protestations here.

He continues to retain a surprisingly large amount of influence the thoughts, beliefs, theology, and positions that people around the world hold to. There even exist protestants who look to the Pope with admiration on certain subjects. Even atheists.

He may not have direct political clout, but he is driving public opinion with his endorsement and encouragement of "Welcoming the refugee because Jesus was a refugee, too."

If you think a guy who heads a church of 1.5 billions, who is also head of state of the richest city/state in the world, and has ambassadorial relations to every significant nation and major religion on planet, doesn't have enormous power and influence, you're not a reliable witness.

residentMoron wrote:the richest city/state in the world,Given that there are 5 city-states left in the world, that's not much of a claim. And I'm pretty sure Singapore, Lichtenstein and Monaco are all richer that Vatican City. San Marino, maybe not so much.

"Have you convinced yourself though Dan? Would you bet your allah threatened way of life on it?"

'Allah' is not a threat to me nor my life. As for the existence of the man called christ, I know there was a title among the judeans 2000 years ago "Ben Yeshua" and I think that several individuals bore this name during the judean revolts as leaders who were later given messiah status by the jews. I don't think one was the man from the bible but that the christ was a synthetic figure made from mixing the actual ben yeshua rebels into one story, combining their accounts with other religion's mythology. I just go from what I know.

Dan Crab wrote:"Have you convinced yourself though Dan? Would you bet your allah threatened way of life on it?"

'Allah' is not a threat to me nor my life. As for the existence of the man called christ, I know there was a title among the judeans 2000 years ago "Ben Yeshua" and I think that several individuals bore this name during the judean revolts as leaders who were later given messiah status by the jews. I don't think one was the man from the bible but that the christ was a synthetic figure made from mixing the actual ben yeshua rebels into one story, combining their accounts with other religion's mythology. I just go from what I know.

1) Allah most certainly is a threat to your life you dumb fuck. Take note of the world right now.

2) Tacitus is a much better source on the historicity of Jesus. His annals of 116 AD pretty much nuke "what you know".

"St.-Étienne-du-Rouvray, a working-class suburb of the ancient city of Rouen, is about 65 miles northwest of Paris and has about 29,000 inhabitants, including many retired chemical and metal workers. Townspeople said it was a peaceful community with a number of residents of immigrant ancestry. The town’s mosque opened in 2000 on land donated by the Catholic parish."

Donated. By. The. Catholic. Parish.

What goes around, comes around.

Found here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/world/europe/normandy-france-church-attack.html

Lobo Util wrote:The original problem is the failure of the people to reproduce.

Sorry but that is utter nonsense. the only reason we assume populations need to increase is to pay for the criminal ponzi scheme of welfare, especially pensions for public service workers.

Moreover the vast majority of these migrants certainly breed but they DO NOT contribute to the society they are an ever increasing burden. Even after generations the arabs in France are a perpetual welfare class living in publically funded ghetto's breeding on taxpayers money - any work they do is either criminal or black market.

People breed in number when their children risk dying, civilized people only have the children thay can afford and with an increasing welfare burden that is fewer and fewer. This is population replacement pure and simple; replacing intelligent educated hard working independent people with dumb dependent savages who above all will worship the big man of gubbmint.

All a declining population in Europe would mean was more space, more leisure more luxury - this would put them on a par with the psychos in power and they will not stand for that: they would rather watch the world burn.

This is not terrorism, it's not even islamic terrorism it is simply islam - pious mooslim carrying out the commands of their prophet.

Look at Lebanon. Bierut was a cosmopolitan city popular with sophisticated Europeans after the war. Then the mooslims arrived; look at it now.

Once they've killed the infidel, the sunnis will kill the shi'ites (or vice-versa) and the last mooslim will stand atop a pile of bodies, slit his own throat and dedicated what was once civilisation to his black god.

Hollande appears to be an utter fool, only concerned with neurotic displacement activity rather than fixing our problems. Yes, by all means charge around in Syria killing ISIS. That will surely make them give up. (And go back to France.)

I doubt that the total number of terrorism victims annually in Europe is higher than 200. For comparison, number of road traffic related fatalities is more than 25000.The number of homicides for EU-28 is about 4379.

Immigrants from 2rd world are everywhere overrepresented in crimes. So it's reasonable to assume taht without immigration number of homicides would be smaller. To get the same number of victims for terrorism attacks, all you need that immigration caused 5% jump in homicides (not unreasonable, given how much immigrants are overrepresented in prison). It's hard to be more precise, because the data is not easy to be found: I have found a data showing that for Germany, non-German suspects are about 25% of suspects for all crimes. But, "all crimes" include also crimes specific for immigrants (breaking immigration laws) and "German suspects" include Turks, Albanians, Kurds etc with German citizenship.

So even without terrorism, jihadists attacks, we would still have a problem which would still cost hundreds of lives annually.

szopen wrote:I doubt that the total number of terrorism victims annually in Europe is higher than 200.

For comparison, number of road traffic related fatalities is more than 25000.

The number of homicides for EU-28 is about 4379.

Immigrants from 2rd world are everywhere overrepresented in crimes. So it's reasonable to assume taht without immigration number of homicides would be smaller. To get the same number of victims for terrorism attacks, all you need that immigration caused 5% jump in homicides (not unreasonable, given how much immigrants are overrepresented in prison). It's hard to be more precise, because the data is not easy to be found: I have found a data showing that for Germany, non-German suspects are about 25% of suspects for all crimes. But, "all crimes" include also crimes specific for immigrants (breaking immigration laws) and "German suspects" include Turks, Albanians, Kurds etc with German citizenship.

So even without terrorism, jihadists attacks, we would still have a problem which would still cost hundreds of lives annually.

To really get a good number on the cost you should also classify how many of those car accidents involved immigrants. Not sure about the EU but here in the US there seems to be a lot of accidents involving uninsured, unlicensed immigrants.

I sincerely doubt Snideohas any idea of the actual average net worth of Vatican citizens. Given that nobody can put a price in the Sistine chapel, for example, the question is in many ways unanswerable.

But GDP per head is 5 to 10 times anywhere else. Snidely thinks facts are slander. You know what that makes him.

residentMoron wrote:But GDP per head is 5 to 10 times anywhere else. Snidely thinks facts are slander. You know what that makes him.Because that's a bad measurement. GDP measures transactions, not wealth. For instance, the printing office (which operates at a huge loss) is counted as part of GDP. As is the cost of the various media efforts undertaken by the Catholic Church. As are innumerable charitable organizations headquartered at the Vatican. As are the pensions for priests and religious handled through the Vatican. None of which has anything to do with wealth.

@150My point is that immigration from 3rd world would be a problem even if there would be no terrorism at all - that one should not forget about increased crime, increased dependency on welfare, impact on social capital and so on.

'But on one thing, I think, we are all absolutely clear, and that is the terrorists will not prevail.'They are trying to destroy our way of life. They are trying to destroy our values. We have shared values and those values will win through and the terrorists will not win.'

Valls is going to hit them where it hurts. Having traveled to Normandy to show solidarity and strength and unity and pay tribute Valls has told the terrorists they won't destroy his values. The shop till you drop defiance that terrorist really fear is showing signs of biting. It's been nearly 24 hours since and Islamic attack has succeeded. Valls has taught them a lesson they won't forget. Viva La Valls. His testicles will never be in his mouth. Never never never will his testicles be in his mouth. He's told them exactly how it is.

I can see that all the fags on this board were too butthurt from ONE site exposing their beliefs that they could not even bear for me to post. Especially 'matthew' who used the worst fucking example of why my illuminating info should be seen/not seen by others. Then proceeded to stop everything making him and his peers cry like bludgeoned newborns. It would seem this entire blog is infested with those so stupid and worthless they got punched off the short bus. Retard rejects that use the wrong word for calling me an idiot without even realising whats wrong. How comical it is to read them screaming "allah-threatened life" when they mean "islam-threatened". So retarded are they that they use the NAME of a false god worshiped by their enemies to describe an actuality. Either that, or they are mohammedan pigshits in a veil pretending to be real people.

I swear if this epitome of intelligence that I have authored is not seen when I am done writing then 'matthew' or anyone editing this shitdrain equivalent of twitter is A FAGGOT.

"a male nurse in lewistown maine was beheaded by a somali moslem last august. bath house barry can squat out refusegees on welfare anywhere in the US."

Considering that a muslim did that and not his fake 'god' you can assure your big gay ass that the physical attacker who is the threat and not the aforementioned deity. I can assume that you cannot tell the difference between the lies of a religion and its practitioners who actually create the religion by believing it. I estimate your IQ at 70. I guess it would only be fitting for someone of your standing to be decapitated as well?

"as for intellectual enquiry.Jesus rose from the dead."Hahaha. Too funny. I guess it sucks to be lobotomised huh?