STOP STACKING POSTS. DOUBLE POSTING IS SPAMMING. PEOPLE WILL BE BANNED. "EDIT" IS YOUR FRIEND. STACKING POSTS IS NOT.

Chorus, you always act like someone's a repeat offender when in fact they aren't.

I act as thought eht13 and I have made this announcement in more threads than I can care to count and people still do whatever they want and disregard it. Our new offer is that people who want to stack posts will be given the freedom to do so until their hearts are content in our Unban Request forum.

This thread is about challenging assumptions. So I'm going to challenge the idea prevalent throughout TFN that factions can't die. In fact, I've seen posters use double standards to to support this idea. For example, whenever the EU gets contradicted, posters say, "But the EU is canon!" However, whenever I point out the ROTJ novelization's explanation for the Empire dying with Palpatine (The Empire depended on Palpatine's Force Powers), posters will say, "Screw the novelizations!" Does anyone else see the double standard here?

My understanding of the Empire relying on Palpatine's powers was that he was using some sort of Battle Meditation and his distruction sent the fleet into confusion with the loss of that link. Thus, they lost the Battle of Endor. That was just that battle though, the war continues on elsewhere after said battle.

My understanding of the Empire relying on Palpatine's powers was that he was using some sort of Battle Meditation and his distruction sent the fleet into confusion with the loss of that link. Thus, they lost the Battle of Endor. That was just that battle though, the war continues on elsewhere after said battle.

Is this in light of the EU or not? Is this based on your theories (as your posts are known to be) or just on facts?

I completely forgot that. It's been decades since I read TTT, but you are definitely correct.

For example, the loss of Palpatine's powers leads to Pellaeon ordering the remaining Imperial forces to retreat from Endor and when Luke researched Jorus, he also finds information on Senator Palpatine.

I know this is off-topic, but since you brought it up, I've been meaning to ask someone who might know:

Is there any reason we can't get rid of the 30 window for the edit function? If it can't be eliminated altogether, how about bumping it up to at least one hour?

The keys on my laptop tend to stick sometimes, and I can't tell you how many times I've just missed out on being able to edit a spelling error I didn't notice until I was 2 seconds too late to do anything about it. As you point out, there are, of course, other compelling uses for the edit feature, too, so why does it have to be such a small window?

What if there is no republic or empire at least none that could really be recognized as so? Just factions seeking to gain control over the galaxy each with their own ideal government, which eventually leads to each system being at war with the next. What if because of this it causes technology o be somewhat lost from each system possibly bring about a galactic dark age. There's many different ways the stories can be told.

I think the most interesting thing mentioned in the OP is the idea that Leia and Han don't get married. In retrospect, the way everything worked out for them so perfectly almost seems... fanfictiony.

Now I have an idea for an alternate universe story, where maybe they're together for a while, but Leia's preoccupied with running the New Republic, and it puts a strain on their marriage. Han goes off and becomes sorta like Bogart in Casablanca... has a history with the Rebellion, doesn't tell anybody about it. Maybe he grows a beard, opens a cantina, Chewie takes up playing the organ there... other wars happen, power shifts back and forth, never really affecting him... then one day, Leia walks in, in hiding. Only, it would diverge from the Casablanca formula here: she reveals that they do have kids together!

Man. My problems with overwriting the EU specifically come from the idea that, if the ST happens to set up the pieces in a way that looks remotely similar to the current place of the EU books (that is to say, Han and Leia are married with grown kids, Luke has a son, his wife's out of the picture, etc...), it would be silly to recklessly overwrite the EU by changing names and stuff, because it could pretty easily be made to fit without even referring to the EU; just using the setup it provides. However, I'm all for a vast departure with much more complex relationships.

This thread is about challenging assumptions. So I'm going to challenge the idea prevalent throughout TFN that factions can't die. In fact, I've seen posters use double standards to to support this idea. For example, whenever the EU gets contradicted, posters say, "But the EU is canon!" However, whenever I point out the ROTJ novelization's explanation for the Empire dying with Palpatine (The Empire depended on Palpatine's Force Powers), posters will say, "Screw the novelizations!" Does anyone else see the double standard here?

This thread is about challenging assumptions. So I'm going to challenge the idea prevalent throughout TFN that factions can't die. In fact, I've seen posters use double standards to to support this idea. For example, whenever the EU gets contradicted, posters say, "But the EU is canon!" However, whenever I point out the ROTJ novelization's explanation for the Empire dying with Palpatine (The Empire depended on Palpatine's Force Powers), posters will say, "Screw the novelizations!" Does anyone else see the double standard here?

This thread is about challenging assumptions. So I'm going to challenge the idea prevalent throughout TFN that factions can't die. In fact, I've seen posters use double standards to to support this idea. For example, whenever the EU gets contradicted, posters say, "But the EU is canon!" However, whenever I point out the ROTJ novelization's explanation for the Empire dying with Palpatine (The Empire depended on Palpatine's Force Powers), posters will say, "Screw the novelizations!" Does anyone else see the double standard here?

I would say there is zero percent chance that the Empire will still be in charge in Episode VII. Honestly, I don't even want a Remnant. I want the Empire to be a distant but painful memory as the new trilogy starts up.

Right, especially if Episode VII takes place decades after ROTJ. There is no reason for the Empire to be around, especially without Palpatine. There was no ideology to keep them around, no cause celebre.

What if there is no republic or empire at least none that could really be recognized as so? Just factions seeking to gain control over the galaxy each with their own ideal government, which eventually leads to each system being at war with the next. What if because of this it causes technology o be somewhat lost from each system possibly bring about a galactic dark age. There's many different ways the stories can be told.

But what would the philosophies and government structures of those factions be? If they're just mini-Empire's and mini-Republics and mini-Confederacy's, that's boring. There should be something unique and philosophically challenging with the ST's antagonists.

Right, especially if Episode VII takes place decades after ROTJ. There is no reason for the Empire to be around, especially without Palpatine. There was no ideology to keep them around, no cause celebre.

But what would the philosophies and government structures of those factions be? If they're just mini-Empire's and mini-Republics and mini-Confederacy's, that's boring. There should be something unique and philosophically challenging with the ST's antagonists.

1. There's so many different philosophies and government structures out there. Environmentalism, communism, etc.
2. Am I right that you're against introducing new factions in the ST?

But what would the philosophies and government structures of those factions be? If they're just mini-Empire's and mini-Republics and mini-Confederacy's, that's boring. There should be something unique and philosophically challenging with the ST's antagonists.

1. There's so many different philosophies and government structures out there. Environmentalism, communism, etc.
2. Am I right that you're against introducing new factions in the ST?

No, like I said I like my "Liberator" idea.

I'm saying it shouldn't be overly-complex, or seem repetitive.

And I know about the other political philosophies. But they are all really flavors of the big ones: empire (attempts total control), republic (balanced control), confederacy (too little control, special interests take over), and anarchy (no control). Also, see this EU thread I made.