happy hopping wrote:When on earth did they make a Heavy Cross besides the one at FAC 2004? But the FAC 2004 is not by Kaiyodo, is it?

Both KOG and sarion are talking about the very same 1/72 Heavy Cross sculpted by Under Pressure for FAC 2004. There isn't another Heavy Cross kit, except Wave's 1/144.

As mentioned, 1/72 kits from nowadays are pretty much 1/100 scale, although they may be slightly taller than 1/100s we're used to seeing back in the day. WSC KOG was once considered as big, but not when it is compared to kits made in recently years.

In my opinion, the only kit with the size of a true 1/72 scale is Akira Tani's 1/72 KOG AT.

A better way of putting it would be that most newer 1:100 kits are actually closer to 1:72.

Think about it... most MH are supposed to be about 15 metres to the naked shoulder. At 1:100 that would make them 15cm, plus a bit for the head. Most newer 1:100 kits are at least 20cm (usually more) to the shoulder.

I think the older style 1:100 kits were truer to their scale. But that's not to say I prefer them to the nice new big kits.

Mmm... like Sheizzel said, one of the few "true" 1/72 MH kits seems to be the Kaiyodo 1/72 KOG AT. (Can't comment on the Volks 1/72 LED Mirage since I don't have it) Even the larger recent Volks kits (like the V3s) can't compare to the size of the 1/72 KOG AT. Likewise, WSC kits can't compare in size to the 1/72 KOG AT either. So I'd say recent Volks and WSC releases have a long way to go before they start reaching 1/72 size... Likewise, Silicon Tribe kits, no matter what they are labelled as, don't compare to the 1/72 KOG AT either.

elemental wrote:A better way of putting it would be that most newer 1:100 kits are actually closer to 1:72.

Think about it... most MH are supposed to be about 15 metres to the naked shoulder. At 1:100 that would make them 15cm, plus a bit for the head. Most newer 1:100 kits are at least 20cm (usually more) to the shoulder.

I think the older style 1:100 kits were truer to their scale. But that's not to say I prefer them to the nice new big kits.

Well, I don't have either of those true 1:72 kits, so I can't really say for sure. I can't even find kit data on the 1:72 KOG on toyspress site.

I agree that the newer kits are not true 1:72. But I remember I worked out the true scale of a number of kits (WSC and Volks) a few years ago, and from memory they were something like 1:78 or 1:80. That's definitely much closer to 1:72 than to 1:100. At true 1:100 scale, one centimetre represents 1 metre. So with Volks SAV Neptune, Phantom, and a bunch of other kits standing about 21cm or so at the naked shoulder... if they were true 1:100 kits that would mean the actual MH would be 21 metres to the shoulder (and more to the top of the head) which very much contradicts the old "approximately 15m to the shoulder" rule.

It's very simple mathematics. Especially when you are not lumbered with the imperial system

Please don't think I am all hung up on this scale issue. I much prefer the larger kits and I don't care what size they print on the box. I view them more as sculptures than scale models. Nagano doesn't seem too concerned with exact physical data on MHs and I that's fine by me.

When jack said "1/72 kits from nowadays are pretty much 1/100 scale" I knew he meant that kits of both scales are about the same size. My only point was that it's a little more correct to say 1:100 kits are pretty much 1:72.

Hm... I think 'old rule' may be the most important words when discussing the '15 meters to the shoulder' notion.

As we well know, Nagano has a penchant for revisionism.

Since there aren't a lot of concrete figures around... I'll just assume newer designs are meant to be taller. Which makes sense, since many stand on very high heels, unlike the older flat-footed designs.

Yes that is a fair point. But if Nagano has changed his mind and decided newer designs are taller (aside from the heels), why have we not heard about it?

I think the real reason is commercial rivalry. I think WSC started the whole "large kit" thing (for whatever reason), and Volks has been catching up purely to keep fans happy. They can't have their 1:100 kits consistently out-sized by WSC now, can they?!

I think that, if it's the case, we haven't heard about it specifically because Nagano doesn't like to get hung up with technical details. I think it's been discussed before, that Nagano wants people to appreciate his work from a broad perspective, rather than have people get caught up with memorizing all kinds of technical trivia. That's why he deliberately avoids laying out pages and pages of technical specs for each and every machine.

As for the 2nd point... it's not really just a WSC vs Volks issue. Kaiyodo kits have shown the same trend. Old Kaiyodo kits are quite small, like old Volks kits. But newer ones show the same size increase as Volks. My 1/100 Kaiyodo Blood Temple seems roughly comparable in size to WSC and newer Volks stuff... and of course it's been widely mentioned that the new Tani 1/144 KOG V3 is a hell of a lot bigger than the older 1/144 KOG release.

elemental wrote:Yes that is a fair point. But if Nagano has changed his mind and decided newer designs are taller (aside from the heels), why have we not heard about it?

I think the real reason is commercial rivalry. I think WSC started the whole "large kit" thing (for whatever reason), and Volks has been catching up purely to keep fans happy. They can't have their 1:100 kits consistently out-sized by WSC now, can they?!