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The Bucs’ Quarterback Crisis

October 20th, 2013

Mike Glennon looks like a solid football player. He’s performing admirably after being placed in a brutally tough spot. Glennon’s a third-round pick with limited talent, but he’s maximizing that talent pretty well. The weekly rookie mistakes are understandable.

But the Bucs have a serious crisis at quarterback. You can’t win a Super Bowl with the fourth best quarterback in the division. (Forget for a moment the Bucs have the fourth-best head coach in the NFC South.)

Cam Newton is 24. Matt Ryan is 28. Drew Brees is a healthy 34.

If the Bucs want to win anytime soon, then they need to bag a true franchise quarterback or a rookie with that kind of potential.

Team Glazer could approach that goal in various ways. Joe’s pretty darn sure Greg Schiano will not get a crack at a third QB. Team Glazer could woo a head coach with the promise that the new chief can pick his own QB on his terms. Not every job opening around the league brings that kind of power.

There will not be a single veteran QB available this off-season worth adding to the roster in any capacity other than backup. None are “better” than any other QB in the NFC South. All the top QBs have signed long term extensions with their current team. The most likely is Cutler, but if the Bears make the playoffs, it’s highly likely the team will sign him before he becomes a FA (and he’s NOT better than the other QBs in the NFC South).

We could draft a QB, but there is no guarantee. Do we get a Newton or RGIII that has a good year, then drops off? Do we get a (once in a lifetime) Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning type? Do we completely whiff with a Jamarcus Russell type?

Do we stick with Glennon and hope he’s “just good enough not to lose games” and build the rest of the team to win for him? That hasn’t exactly been a proven method of success. Romo is decent, and has had players added all around him and he still can’t seem to win anything. Matt Schaub has been around for years with nothing to show for it and he’s had talent around him as well. Matt Cassell had a pretty good RB/WR and defense, but couldn’t get it done.

Glennon is O K but has not proved anything yet. Looked bad against the Cards then played two incredibly weak secondaries in the Eagles, and Falcons and looked average in both. I don’t see any greatness in his play but I don’t know if that is on him or this inept scheme we run on offense. Either way we totally have to draft a QB in the 1st next season. Bridgewater is probably the best QB prospect so we’ll see.

I don’t see what is so “limited” about Glennon’s talent. He has a good arm, he is fairly accurate(his deep ball needs work but that will come as he spends more time with the receivers), he can go through progressions/read a defense better than Freeman already, he is more mobile than he was expected to be and he seems to be getting better every week.
He has two tough tests coming up, but I don’t understand why people are already writing him off. I’m assuming it is his draft position, but I think he already looks better than EJ Manuel and Geno Smith who were both drafted before him. And i don’t want to pull the over used Russell Wilson/Tom Brady card because i know for every successful late round QB there are hundreds of failures, but why give up on the kid so soon when he has look pretty good?

This is ridiculous. Glennon is a rookie and he’s playing very well. If his O’line could run block at all he’d be lights out. We don’t need a franchise QB and I’m tired of hearing it. Remember, Glennon is a “ROOKIE” and he’s not playing like one. He’s only going to get better. Who in the heck says he has limited skills? He’s the whole package and TBH he is a Matt Ryan clone and will be just as good.

You can’t just go out and get an established starting QB if there isn’t one available. And every time you draft a rookie QB it’s a gamble. Look how many QB’s have been drafted in the 1st round that ended up being a bust. Plus you don’t know what kind of QB you need until you see who your next coach will be and what kind of offense he runs. And on that note, the Bucs need to hire an offensive minded head coach. The last time they had one of those they won a Superbowl

I really don’t know what game you guys are watching. I think Glennon has a huge upside. This kid has improved in every start. He threw no picks today and 2 TD’s and had a huge drive at the end that was torpedoed by penalties. What more do you want from a rookie. If he continues to improve I see no reason why he can’t be elite. He has the arm for it, just not the receivers. It’s tough to only have one legit target.

Jamies is like LeBron James he doesn’t need to play college ball. In 2 years Jameis will be a football God coming out of college. He’s like Roy Hobbs a natural. 6-4 230 pounds of lasers and can run like the wind.

wow can’t say i’m not surprised you SEC lovers are not even mentioning the most dynamic qb in college in Marcus Mariota. Take the SEC glasses off please, maybe stay up a little later and actually watch him

@87 I would love Winston. Just not going to happen. Glazers can not take more losing and most fans myself included can not either. We need some playoffs ASAP and tanking ANOTHER year would be such a waste

Madmax. Winston is not some unknown QB every team that has questions at QB will be looking at the guy it would probably take some 3 first round picks + to get him if he continues to play at this rate. Just not worth it when we have a lot of areas to focus on for the future.

I’m telling you, watch the A&M games, #13 is always on the receiving end of the big plays, he’s a nice blend of size and speed, pretty reliable hands too. Plus he has a knack for breaking tackles and earning YAC. In my opinion, he makes Manziel appear better than he really is.

He has not been in a position to win any if them , and totally collapses in the fourth quarter. His accuracy is bad. Like always. He has tons on weapons on offense. If he had any talent to scare a defense- then the running game would work.

He doesn’t. They put nine guys in the box( as shown several times tonight), and dare him to beat them. He can’t. They know it. I know it, and most everyone here knows it.

So, what in the world could you possibly like about him?? He loses quietly, without any drama at the end??
He has nothing going on, that would lead you to believe he will win a game he should win. Much less against a tough defense.

Wait til he plays a couple decent teams. Then you’ll see the difference between “backup” and a real QB.

Until then- stop trying to make this kid look like he has talent. Several of you are trying to convince someone, because you were so horribly wrong about him.
He won’t”win out”. He won’t ” lead us to the playoffs” he won’t” improve this team immediately,and get us in the playoff hunt!” As was said by several of you,

I’m not really sure who I’d take, none of the QBs in this draft really strike me as a sure-fire top notch QB, they all have question marks. I wish Jameis Winston was eligible this year, I feel like he’s already the best QB in College Football, kinda reminds me of a slightly smaller, faster, more accurate Freeman, however, Jameis has a fire to him.

Are we talking about the same guy?
The same Mike Glennon who over the last three games has a better passer rating (77) than Tom Brady(75), Eli Manning(64), or Carson Palmer(69)?
The same Mike Glennon who is averaging 240 yards per game, better than Andrew Luck, Jay Cutler, or Cam Newton?
The same Mike Glennon who over the last three games has shown steady improvement and just today threw for 2 touchdowns with NO interceptions?

lol I knew I was going to catch some criticism for that. I was merely saying that they do have a similar body type and skill sets, that’s all I meant. I like that model of QB, Nice and tall, with some meat on their bones, cannon arms, with some mobility but a preference to keep their eyes downfield. Thats a dangerous QB.

All this Bridgewater lovefest I guess none of you saw the game last friday as Bridgewater was outplayed by Blake Bortles, UCF QB. Bortles has skills, we need help all over the field, O-line, DE, TE, 3rdWR,….

If undisciplined is the problem. How does a coach discipline a veteran O-line and V Jackson for a false start? How do you discipline these veterans? What does Schiano have to teach them in practice that they should already know?

Menziel has ripped up the crimson tide’s pro style defense twice, and not all his passes were to number 13. That gives him major cred in my book. He has not padded his stats vs. the sisters of the poor.

All Glennon has done is get better over 3 starts, he should be 3-0 at this point, there was no reason to lose the ARI game, and he played darn good games the past 2 weeks. He has completed 60 and 59% of the past two weeks (something freeman never hit from week 9 to his release).

Glennon also was coached by the same coaches that Matt Ryan had in college so you know he has the skills and mental ability to play the position and he was taught well. and Cam Newton has won exactly what in the NFL that shows you he is a Super Bowl QB?

If you go back and examine the week 3 matchup between Alabama and A&M, you’ll see that Evans caught well over half of the yards that Manziel threw, 279 yards. The second leading receiver? 66 yards. Manziel relies on Evans to win jump ball situations time and time again, he’s his blanket. If all else fails, Manziel stretches the play with his legs and then throws it up to Evans.

So.. regardless of how he plays or develops, he is not “worthy” simply because Schiano drafted him? I see! I took the liberty of looking at a comparison of Free’s 3 games and Glennon’s 3 games, and Glennon was significantly better in Every stat, comp. %, TD to Int. %, QB rating,.. and yet I don’t remember hearing you say that Free was “not a franchise QB”!! Hypocrite! GO BUCS!

Glennon has the same bad line, same no run game but has the highest scores on the board. These were more than enough to win. Plus there was one called back today on a perfect pass (imagine that) because of a dumb ass lineman that should be on the bench.
But you think some great #1 ranked draft QB is going to come out and take us to the Super Bowl Now. Good luck with that.
The only Crisis here is those missing Freeman that still think he was going to take us there.

“I took the liberty of looking at a comparison of Free’s 3 games and Glennon’s 3 games, and Glennon was significantly better in Every stat, comp. %, TD to Int. %, QB rating,.. and yet I don’t remember hearing you say that Free was “not a franchise QB”!! Hypocrite! GO BUCS!”

@Joe. Compare Glennon to any rookie in his 3rd game. I could care less if that person was a first round. I thought you new a thing or two about football but I am beginning to wonder. Glennon can make all the throws. Only Payton can make all the throws. The only reason we have a QB crisis is the media has created one. The worst thing the Bucs could do would be to spend a high draft choice on a so called franchise QB. We need a left tackle, a center, a right and left guard and a rt tackle. Oh by the way, we need an outside LB and 2 corners to be groomed. And by the way, we need a tight end.
I never thought i would see you buy into this BS.
THE LAST THING WE NEED IS A QB.

It doesn’t matter who plays QB if nobody blocks for him. We need Oline help bad. Dotson is not a starting caliber tackle. Penn is getting long in the tooth. Zuttah has lost his edge. Trade Joseph now while he has value and to the Falcons. I would see what you can get for any offensive player other than Martin. Mike Williams could fetch a high pick. Who knows if Carl Nicks will ever play again.

I know we’re having some fun here…picking another QB….but lets face it…we can’t pick now….I think this conversation really needs to take place in Dec or January….by then we will have a much better read on Glennon…who knows…he may surprise us.
At the very least if we want a QB….we should trade down and pick up an extra high draft pick….the number 2 or 3 pick will be very valuable….I still don’t think we’ll get the 1st pick.

Madmax-
So sick of apologist.
Can he play, or not??!!
We were 0-8, and ranked last in the league in offense. We were on an 0-11 losing streak!
Freeman started against Green Bay, and won. He won two more that year.
The next year he won 10, and went to the Probowl.

Glennon hasn’t won, hasn’t come close to winning.
Good QBs win. Period!! They don’t need clueless fans making excuses for them, or saying they lose nice!

They win- or they suck! Glennon is not going to be this teams QB next year.

If undisciplined is the problem. How does a coach discipline a veteran O-line and V Jackson for a false start? How do you discipline these veterans? What does Schiano have to teach them in practice that they should already know?

Payton Manning’s first three games: two touchdowns; eight interceptions. His record his first year was 3-13 and he had only three games with a quarterback rating over 90which is what Glennon achieved today. Joe, what nonsense to say this guy has little native talent. He was among the top 5 recruited quarterbacks coming out of high school and every pro scout said he had an extraordinary football IQ. He is going to have some bad games, but if you think drafting a qb in the first round is automatic, forget it. Let’s face it, he’s working behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league. Still, he’s making quick decisions, throwing with accuracy, except on the deep balls and with a lot of poise.

not really taking a side hear but freeman played against the jets defense, a heathly pats defense, and an aggressive saints defense. Glennon played against a cardinals defense missing 3 starting LB’s, a terrible eagles and falcons defense

Oh please stop with comparing Glennon in his first 3 games to Peyton Manning. Glennon couldn’t dream of playing as well as Manning in college, much less the NFL.

Also, stop with the “he played well enough to win”. If he had, we’d be 3-3, not 0-6. He couldn’t even get us a lead in the 4th quarter. His 4th quarter rating is horrid. He is one QB I would never count on getting us a win unless we had a significant lead at the half.

He can barely lead a td drive of 50 yards. If the D doesn’t get a turnover or special teams a return, expect a fg. His “accurate” passes that are supposed to get YAC are more likely to get our WRs killed. He’s not going through progressions, he’s following VJ across the field… It’s called a crossing route.

Get a clue, watch the game again, I will. His mechanics are not good. He will not improve enough to come close to Brady or Manning or even Wilson. If you won’t see the truth, I’ll have to show it it another long winded post…

What game was every one watching here! I thought Glennon was impressive and has a bright future!! He completed around 60% of his passes 2 tds, No interceptions- showing better pocket awareness and can actually run! Did anyone notice how many drops he had? If the Bucs win this game everyone talks about how impressive and poised he he is for a rookie…David had a great game to but because they lost, it goes without proper mention..

The Kid has been mentioned in the same breathe as Matt Ryan by his former coach and even Ryan stated he resembled him… I you don’t think this might someone who can be developed? – I swear the Tamp Bay fans have to be the stupidest fans in the NFL – HANDS DOWN!

He needs to be protected by an offensive Line not dressed in skirts and you might see this kid in the Pro bowl some day..

Draft Clowney!! assuming his interviews and health check out – They Need to Get to the Quarter back in the worse way!!! This is something their GM is too dense to understand…

In scrolling up and looking over more of the comments, I see not every Buc fan is stupid lol – some actually saw the same game I did! Like any Rookie, he has some things to work on eg the deep ball but that will improve…hes a quick decision maker and a leader – RUN THROUGH THE FIRE FOR YOU AND NOT WORRY ABOUT HIS PRETTY FACE..

Funny stuff Madmax lol – thanks for enlightening me! Yes, a good OL protecting Mike – after all, isn’t this what Tom Terrific has? So YES, they need OL help but most of all..AGAIN and AGAIN!!!! GET PASS RUHERS!!!!

Now how do you Glennon-ites feel after getting punked by the media – AGAIN!

They backed the coach, who spread the manure so thick you thought for SURE they were right about Schiano being right, about Freeman being the wrong QB!

Now they’re setting it up to ditch BOTH!

…you’ve been DUPED! See, Mike Glennon is NOT the answer, but it was SO cool that you went ALL IN like you did – they even got you to believe Freeman was the problem. He wasn’t – they and the head coach were. Don’t feel too bad though – the lovable, hapless, dolts that run this franchise lapped up the drivel too…which is even more sad.

At some point you have to realize that you are being led around by a ring thru your nose. Ira, Woody, and Doctor Propecia get their inside stuff from their agents – the rest of the crap they make up and spin. You have to watch both hands – learn football, record and replay games, listen to players who have played the game and do color work on Sunday – one day you too can know more than the fishwrap writers club.

You let them fire a starting QB, and you’re going to watch him do well elsewhere…just like I did with Doug Williams (whom the locals said stunk, till he helped win a Super Bowl), Steve Young (nuff said), and even Trent Dilfer…(Who also won a Super Bowl the very next season he played somewhere else).

The local fishwrap writers thrive off of drama – that’s the only thing driver revenue at the Trib, the Blog, The Ledger, and The Times. They certainly don’t get revenue from circulation – so wake up and smell the coffee – don’t be such lemmings.

The next time you see a rookie QB come in here from his first start and rallies your team to a win – then sets franchise records – before a fresh-from-college-twerp of a coach shows and tries to teach him what shouldn’t be learned about football in New Jersey – maybe you’ll be older and wiser.

Stats DO matter – but only the RIGHt stats

See, if stats didn’t matter – really – they wouldn’t PAY people to keep them. You just have to learn which stats are meaningful and which aren’t. Here’s a clue: when you start seeing stats that equate to only a few people EVER do something…those are pretty significant stats.

Bad coaches make good players look bad.

How can you tell a bad coach? He blames players. He overestimates his team, and underestimates the opponents team. Oh, yeah…he eventually and suddenly loses more than he wins.

I’m only assuming you learn from your amazingly stunning density on all things football…but I should remember, you’re pretty low information operators, maybe I’m setting the bar too high for you in thinking you’ll be able to take this criticism. But if you are – you simply sit at home or in bars all over this town and spout off like you’re a season ticket holder and your opinion should matter…the franchise wants you to know, they really like your moxie and appreciate you cheering for mediocrity – because if you like what you see, stick around, you’re going to get more of it.

Even if you do learn, you’ll end up be dealing with the next wave of high school kids who think Ira, Woody, and Dr Propecia are the BOMB dude…

Me? I’ve seen this movie before. Wake me after they hire the next ex-head coach.

All you guys are idiots….all of you…Johnny football would be the worst choice at QB. Schiano aint get fired and Glennon will be our Qb..and yiu idiots cant cry and say , “if schiano is still the coach, I aint going to the games”..SO WHAT , Yall dont go anyways, schiano will be here next year and so will glennon. You sad fans are praying we keep losing so we can Get a high pick. If schiano sneezes wrong joe and duemig is all over it..get a life guys

While I actually agree with most of what you say when it comes to Freeman and Glennon, I have to say you are the one that seems to keep dragging Freeman into every conversation. Until we start winning, people are going to be split on the entire Freeman issue. Unfortunately we aren’t, so there is a legitimate debate that it was a mistake, but we will never really know. But you got to let it go already. Glennon hasn’t proven anything yet. I think he’s looked good at times, and at other times looked like a rookie. He really hasn’t made any “WOW” throws, but he has been much more accurate, and he appears to go through his progressions considerably better than Freeman. Like Freeman, he has gotten very little protection (although maybe slightly better than Freeman overall) and not much of a running game. He’s also been hurt by having some big plays called back by penalties. But most importantly, we are 0-3 with Glennon. You play to win the game.

Don’t worry about the Freemanites. Just because they think we should have kept Freeman doesn’t mean they aren’t fans of this team, or they don’t want Glennon to do well. It’s just they believe he is the better QB. I personally don’t think we can accurately know who is the better QB under this outdated offensive scheme we run. Everyone is frustrated and looking for someone to blame. This is the biggest reason I feel we need to get rid of Schiano now. Until we do, we really don’t know how much talent we have on this team. Maybe we really are talent deficient, or maybe we have 12 Pro Bowlers. Your guess is as good as mine.

No, Pr is a troll. His only function here is to continue to start Controversy over the a Freeman trade. It is his sole point of comment- and is all done to continue debates. He isn’t here to discuss games. He is here with an agenda. Not an opinion. I think MadMax and Bobby have just been duped into his pr B.S.

Of course, most of us have been here awhile, and have seen the “agenda Trolls on a mission” before. Annoying, but avoidable.

Pr( or who ever) – no one cares about a loser QB. We don’t care about his mechanics, clean uniform, or if he dances better than Freeman. We don’t care if he looks like Matt Ryan. Bucs fans hate Matt Ryan.
He can’t beat horrible teams. He sucks. He will go, along with Dom and Schiano!

Buuut, if you think he’s such a pretty loser, that you can’t contain your infatuation- then you run right down to OneBuc, stand at the Fence- and scream his name. When he comes over- you tell him he is the best lil loser in Buc history, and you just love him to death!! You can knobberslobber all over his cleats, if you so desire!

The Rest of us will be looking forward to a new GM, Coach, and QB by the start of next season.

TJWare-
Sooo- you think Schiano and Glennon are just swell, and you’re happy at 0-6?
Obviously, you don’t pay to go to games, or support the Team.

And you have some really, really low standards. Guess they can lose forever- and you’d still be sitting on the coach- waving a lil Buc flag!!

I have a great idea for you! Since it doesn’t matter to you- why don’t you just make a VHS tape of one game! I’d pick the SuperBowl Win!
Then, every Sunday- you can watch us win the SuperBowl! EVERY WEEK!!
Sounds like that would keep a fan like you entertained, til the Tape wears out!

Bad article. Glennon is leagues better than Freeman. Freeman won’t go through his reads, Glennon at least goes through a few before pressure mounts. He’ll only get faster at it, but Freeman was in the league for 5 years and still stares down his receivers, that alone is unacceptable. I’ll be looking for it tonight, watch him stare down his 1st read from huddle all the way until he throws the ball and there is a defender and safety on the target by that point from his staring eyes. He’s probably the easiest QB to play against in that regard.

AsstheBuc!
I’m the one that’s always right. I said Schiano was over his head, the week they signed him! I said this spring, that we may not win a game- because if the rediculous Rutgers offense.

Nope, I’m so right, so often- that I should start a Bucs Psychic phone line.

You guys are the sad ones. Schiano duped you. He told you it was all Freeman’s fault. He said Glennon would cure all ills.

Truth is, that was all B.S. It’s all Schianos fault. He lied, and may have released medical info, to turn the dumber( you guys) against Freeman. He cruelly duped some of you into proclaiming Glennon would lead us to the playoffs. !!
Lmao! A rookie! A BAD rookie
Now the pawns in Schianos game are stumbling around in disbelief!
“Freeman gone! Why aren’t we winning??”
” how can Glennon lose? He’s great!!!”

Architek- how’d I miss you?
How did I say Freeman won his first game, when Glennon has better “attributes”

Wow!
I said Freeman won his first game- because he won his first game. Beat the Packers! Broke 11 game losing streak, with last place offense!

I don’t know what Attributes means, but I think you better join PRbuc at the fences of OneBuc- with your ” Mike, I love your attributes” poster.

Freeman won 3 of his first 8, with a much less talented team.
Despite his big attributes you love, Glennon hasn’t come close to winning a game. 12.5 QB rating in 4th quarter???
Lmao!!
Good luck to you, him, and his shared attributes!
Lmao

No Hawaiian, I specifically go after posts in which Free is brought up.
.
Whether sarcastically or indirectly such as in a comment about Glennon being “so great” from a clearly bitter Freemanite to a “it’s all Freeman’s fault”.

I don’t bring him up just to bring him up, I bring him up to let those know still bitching in the indirect manners and direct or that matter that Freeman is still worse!!!!

You can follow and that most any post I have typed about Free are in some sort of response to a smart ass remark..

And there are plenty of people instigating over and over especially Cap Tim over there the many whose words no longer have value lol.

Prbucagendatroll
Don’t pretend. I know who you are, and why you keep the Freeman trade furor aflame. Just helping lead the other leglennon lemmings
(Glemmings?) to the cliffs.
And boy, so of those Glemmings are feisty!
Lmao

You see the little boy he becomes when you talk about him baby Free Free ?

Lol He still living in 2010,

And no I don’t love Glennon haven’t seen enough to make an opinion of him.

That doesn’t change that he still shown more than Free Free ;).

EVEN IF BOTH Schiano and Glennon left, Free still sucks and needed to go ;).

@Hawaian

But I digress Hawaiian I’l just challenge you to keep in mind what I said to you as you read the posts. You’ll notice how many of the posters there really are referencing Freeman directly or indirectly through our failures coaching and qb and you’ll notice that indeed I am just responding not beginning anything.
But overall I understand what you mean and how it can look like that especially when I have actively decided to call those posts out. It’s instead of beating around the Bush I (it’s even more obvious from a Freemanite) just call a spade a spade.

But ultimately it does get me nowhere but well satisfaction to see Tim squirm.

Glennon has not showed more than Freeman. I do not understand this at all. Glennon has played 3 games all of which he has looked average. He played against the Cardinals who are average to i guess and put up good 1st half and a terrible awful 2nd half. He played a horrible D in the eagles and put up an alright 1st half and a horrible 2nd half. Then he played the 3rd string D for the already bad Falcons D and put up an below average 1st half and below average 2nd half. Glennon looks bad. If you are actually watching the games you will see how many throws he misses and also how many times the falcons got their hands on the ball but did not make a play. Now if you are only looking at stats at the end of the game then sure Glennon is better than Freeman. But if you are actually watching you have to know that Glennon just does not have it to be a starting Qb in this league.

You cheerleaders posing as fans can aim at the posters on this blog as the problems – the real problems are down at OBP – if Glennon is the answer to anything other than “who’s the former Buccaneer back-up QB that looks like Napolean Dynamite”? …its the wrong question.

It’s not Glennon’s fault, he’s the guy we and all the other 31 teams that passed on him – three times – thought he was. A game managing back-up.

The reason fans like me focus on the former 1st round draft pick/new starting QB of the Vikings starting for a team that did NOT draft him – when you are a fan of the team who did – is to force the owners to shoulder the conseuences of hiring yet another not-read-for-prime-time-player.

Because – as many of the REAL fans have discovered over the years – CHEERING for mediocrity only gets you more mediocrity.