Five Minutes Of 18-Year-Old Snatch

Maxim #101: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.

The importance of the above maxim can’t be overstated. The way to a woman’s heart is through her id.

There’s a male analogue as well.

Maxim #102: For most men, five minutes of a younger, hotter woman beats five years of older, uglier women.

Younger women are, barring a few conspicuous exceptions, better looking, better smelling and better feeling than older women. Career goals not achieved to the contrary notwithstanding, younger women are alpha females. The man who has tasted the succulent flesh of an 18 year old cutie will never again look at, or feel toward, older women with the same excitement, urgency or romanticism. He has been corrupted. His memories, lucid, almost palpable, of intimacies with younger women, will dominate. Five minutes in bed with a young babe will linger longer in his cortical penis extension than five years with an assortment of older women.

James Hooker has doomed himself. But it’s a doom that most men would welcome with open arms, if they could. His relationship — loving, tender, sexual — with an 18 year old babe means, should he find himself single again, that few women his age will satisfy him the way his current younger lover does. An older woman Hooker’s age who wants to extract commitment from him, or even a simulacra of lovingkindness, is going to have her work cut out for her. A man’s memory of an 18-year-old is a more powerful competitor to her than the attentions of real live women her own age.

Men like Hooker, men who have experience bedding younger women, and whose libidos are rocket fueled by powerful memories of young woman love, if they are single, go blankly into that dating field of cougars and cynical spinsters, depressed over the substandard offerings, forever seeking to recapture the intensely pleasurable magic of their time with their lithe lolitas. Their sheer disgust at the socially approved alternatives, and their unbreakable confidence at having inspired the love of much younger women, will help propel them back into the arms of charming coeds. They are men on a mission, and they won’t be stopped, not even by marriage.

Men like this live by one rule: if the cunnilingus feels like a chore, she’s too old.

As a one night stand with an alpha male can skew a woman’s expectations for life, so can a fling with an 18-year-old hottie skew a man’s expectations for life. But there is a critical difference in the sexes regarding expectation levels. It requires little effort for an average-looking woman to spread her legs and permit an alpha male to dump a fuck in her; for men are, on the whole, the less discriminating sex, and will rarely pass up easy lays with normal-sized women when they are offered. A woman’s ego, inflated from birth, will mistakenly regard the alpha’s fly-by-night attentions as validation of her relationship worthiness to men of his caliber. She will, in time, learn a bitter lesson.

In contrast, it requires yeoman effort, whether through the accumulation of wealth and status or through charm and dominance, for an average-looking older man to persuade an 18-year-old babe to relinquish her sex to him. This effort and resulting success is evidence that he has what it takes to consistently attract younger women and have relationships with them. When in the company of younger women, his mate value is self-evident. Thus, such a man’s expectations are more in line with reality than are the slutty woman’s expectations whose value is rightly measured not by how much cock she can hoover, but by how many high value men she can convince to stick around and fall in love with her.

Nevertheless, a continent full of average-looking, non-obese women riding the alpha cock carousel for stretches of their lives, and older men openly ignoring women their age to pursue their desire for the company of younger women, means an end to mutually nourishing beta male-slender female relationships and societally stabler older male-older female pairings. This is probably not going to turn out well for a monogamy-based modern civilization like ours, but it seems the rule that civilizations in the final spasms of decay revert to more primal norms of self-actualizing sexual and romantic fulfillment.

As always, I’ll be poolside.

Corollary to Maxim #102: A beautiful, slender older woman will be a better lay than a plain, fatter younger woman.

This corollary has more relevance today than it would have in the past, because enormous numbers of what would normally be very fuckable young babes have put themselves out of contention by getting fat and gross. Thanks to the Western obesity epidemic, there is a glimmer of hope for the yoga-toned 35-year-old who retains the feminine charms of her younger self. Chin up, ladies, and keep praying that your younger rivals gorge themselves on artisanal cupcakes and 150gram sugar-infused coffee drinks!

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And if you have ANY betaness left over, all you’ll get from an 18-year old is 5 minutes of texting before she flakes.

The mastery needed of the sub-21 year old mind has to be strong, perfected, and be performed without a moment of hesitation. It would take more than 2 hands to count the number of sub-HB8 younger gals I’ve met in the past 5 years who flaked — they’re just used to it.

I think the most important standard for them is strong social proof from their peers. Once one of “them” approves of you, the rest start wondering. If you don’t have strong social proof from their peer, it’s that much more work to overcome the flaking.

so wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. You need to correct your syntax, son! It sounds like you’re saying “I’ve been trying to find someone as hot as my gf, now 19, for 7 years.” In other words, you started dating her when she was 12 and you 20. Ladies and gentlemen, Jerry Lee Lewis and/or Edgar Allen Poe! *Cheers and applause* Were you at least related to her?

No smart guy,thats not what he said at all! The search for a hottie commenced 7 years ago,probably with a ceremonial last pud-pull. He put down the Sears catalog and boldly stated,”Never again!” I am going to find a hottie!! He found her recently.

As a Poe fanatic, I strongly object to your mentioning his name in the context =) After all, Edgar and Virginia may have never consummated their marriage (though we’ll probably never know for sure). A witty observation, however.

There are few things in the world as deflating and depressing as being a female and not having that female envy. The absolute worst is when you realize it exists (you rush to the edge of a nearby cliff), what’s even worse is when you realize it also applies to female blood relatives (that’s when someone has to pull you back from jumping off the cliff). Yeah, blood is not thicker than hydrogen peroxide.

“What if we are kind of women who don’t feel good when bad things happen to other people?”
Either become a hermit or learn to ignore it. It shouldn’t be too hard. Women are naturally gifted when it comes to ignoring stuff they don’t want to think about.

Well, be thin, hairless below the neck and nose, and have an extraordinarily clean vagina. Add in a lot less crazy, and you’ll be closer (but not quite close) to equal footing.
Less carbs, more gym, more laser. Simple, if not particularly easy.

Shaving doesn’t hurt. Use a good razor (at least twin blade) at least twice a week and before getting busy.

If you’re too big or uncoordinated to do it comfortably in the shower, do it at the sink, hold onto the side of the tub, and squat down. You can reach it all easily while squatting. It’s what I did until I dropped enough weight to do it in the shower, so I know it works.

Since people are wearing clothes now, you don’t really need the protection of hair. It’s cleaner to shave because hair is porous and holds odors and fungus and all kinds of stuff.

I like some pubic hair. I just like it to be neatly trimmed. A bald pussy gets whiskers too and they scratch. I think this business of only licking pussy when its young is stupid. As I’ve said before, older women (25+) generally have much better hygiene than do younger women.

If Mr. Right doesn’t come along or it doesn’t last forever, if you keep yourself well then, as much as I hate cougarism, there are new guys turning 30 every year.

When you’re young, it’s good to find a guy you can make babies and have a life with, but in all honesty, it just doesn’t happen that way for everyone. Even for people for whom it does happen, husbands die or leave for stupid reasons. Life happens.

You will reach an age though, if you should find yourself available, that you realize that you don’t need the things you did when you were young. You will just need someone who’s not going to mess with your head, and who’ll be friendly and have a hard cock, some skills, and hopefully enough of a heart that he at least appreciates the sex.

When you get to that point, though you can’t stop time, if you retain your femininity, you’ll be a busy old broad.

Have an incredibly drop dead gorgeous teenage daughter. that one might work. But it’s not going to happen if you procreate with the trailer-trashy looking photos of what sometimes passes for alpha around here. (a couple days before ovulation, don’t org. at all though, or you’ll end up w/ a boy). that about covers it.

Nothing you can do except keep your body as nice as possible. Get plastic surgery if you have to. Dye your hair blond, get a tan and keep your pussy totally clean fucking shaven (if you’re balking at so simple a thing as this, give up now.)

The truth though is that you (with the support and encouragement of popular culcha) have wasted the prime years given to you for finding happiness.

I draw the line at surgery unless it’s needed to correct a health issue. For a serious weight issue, there’s the new sleeve gastrectomy, but the end result of almost everything else is a wrinkled cyborg at 50-something.

I really hate the brow lifts a lot of older women are doing. It makes them look like Cthulhu.

“… that you’ve gotten cynical and ruthless and sociopathic before your 20th birthday.”

Let me explain this (because you obviously did not understand what I wanted to say). Men are attracted to youth and beauty and they don’t care so much about cynicism and ruthlessness. If a girl is very young and hot, her personality flaws won’t matter. Similarly, when you are over 25 and ugly, fantastic personality won’t magically convince men to fall in love with you. It’s youth and beauty, 98%. (CH says so and I believe him 100%).

Beta is not the same thing as non dominant. Most people are betas. The question is whether you’d be happy with a beta who was just alpha enough to dominate you even though he might not be the hottest guy in your social sphere.

Go to an BDSM club or a dating site geared toward those types. Then you can find someone willing to dominate you or do whatever you want because of your “daddy issues.” Sheesh. You’re not gonna find a guy hanging around on some pickup artist’s blog that’s aimed toward MEN anyway.

Statistics are not individuals…and honestly, I don’t know any objectively ugly women, myself included, who have good personalities, who don’t have anyone in love with them. Love and lust are different things, and men who aren’t overly feminized are very good at telling them apart.

Whatever men may prefer aesthetically or sexually to look at, how a woman makes him feel about himself is just as important if not more.

So even though a young, hot chick is going to have more mass appeal and an easier time of it, all you really have to do is be well groomed, take care of yourself, and not be a bitch. Someone will love you.

Yes, “fat chicks have to pay”. If you’re not of the optimal age with optimal looks, you will have to jump through some hoops. Butch up because that’s just how it is…just like guys who don’t have a lot of money have to make up for it by being dominant. They have to be rugged because they don’t have the resources to show off to say they are in the privileged class or whatever.

Everybody just has to play the cards they’re dealt. You’re not being singled out in this.

Instead of whining about it and framing the probabilities to suit your excuses, try doing the best you can with what you’ve got and being happy with that.

I can’t speak for CH, but in my experience, the personalities of women decline just as rapidly as their looks past college, if not more so. The sweetness pretty much all girls are born with, is summarily jackhammered out of them as soon as they leave their parents nest, which I suspect is why, in civilized countries, women move from their parents home to their husband’s home, without any US style 10 year intermission at a de facto bordello.

Heartiste:
Here’s a question. Doesn’t a girl’s unconscious knowledge of what is alpha and what is beta depend partly on context and experience?
If the 18-year old girl is kind of a shut-in or a wallflower, and hasn’t actually met or interacted with many men, might she not regard as ‘alpha’ somebody that another girl wouldn’t?

Alpha is more than just an inherent, biological personality trait. Alpha is also the result of relative position.

A good looking 27 year old investment banker making $300,000 would put chicks in awe in the outside world, but the secretaries at his bank would consider him a nobody because they are busy fawning over his fat, balding boss who makes $10,000,000.

The 40 year old McDonald’s manager is a loser to everyone in the outside world. But as long as he is non-autistic, he is the boss and an alpha to his 16 year old female employee who doesn’t interact much with the popular high school football players.

If you want young snatch, just be in a career where there’s lots of young snatch: restaurant manager, high school teacher, community college teacher, Abercrombie & Fitch manager.

You might laugh at this, but my brother was in the same position. As a good-looking 30-something, he was teaching community college in a warm-weather state (where all the girls are tan and blonde). One day when I was visiting his house, he said to me, “come in here, I wanna show you something.”

In his bedroom closet, he had a shoebox absolutely crammed to the max with HUNDREDS of notes, messages, cards, and whatever else (probably 350 total) — all from his female students. I was astounded. HUNDREDS of girls 18-22 flirting their asses off with him, letting him know they’d graduate or transfer on such-and-such date (and, hence, be available), or practically begging for him to bed them (for those who couldn’t wait to graduate).

If I had seen a scene like that in a movie, I would’ve said, “that’s bullshit — that doesn’t happen in real life,” at least not to that degree. But it did. And while my brother is handsome and much younger looking than his age, I think there was a lot more going on here than just that.

An important corollary to this is to disregard the “Polish Village Fallacy”.

Occasionally game novices on this blog and others will promote the illusion that if LTR is your goal, you’re better off with an 18-year-old HB7 who used to be an ugly duckling or with some untouched wallflower from a remote Polish village. She will thus supposedly remain true to you and worship you for a god.

This is a comforting lie told by Upper Betas who think they’ve internalized the game worldview.

However, this is a very destructive idea. It goes against two fundamental truths: the deeply rooted hypergamy of young females, and their constant need for validation.

BECAUSE ALPHA STATUS IS SITUATIONAL, you better have the tightest fucking game around if you want to keep such a woman from straying. Once she leaves the social or geographical context in which she regarded you as a god, she **will** fuck around with real Alphas who enter her orbit. Especially if you’re all she’s had up to that point and she’s curious to sample the other commodities on the sexual market.

Having seen many chicks like this cheat on their clueless Upper-Beta boyfriends in these situations, I think the idea of pursuing an LTR with younger women is a joke.

I think if a guy is looking to settle down (and that’s a really big “if”), he’s better off settling for a 25-26 year old who’s been on the briefest of rides on the cock carousel (say, 2-3 lifetime sexual partners within long-term relationships).

Why do you think most women want men to have the dates with them at upscale restaurants?
1. There will not be a lot of single, young women there.
2. The men are mostly of the same wage level.
3. She has other candidates to compare you against.
4. If you stand her up she’ll pick one of the guys there.
5. She gets status from her after-dinner-debriefing with her “teeheehee” friends.
6. If she tells you that there is no chemistry, you won’t DARE to make a scene.
7. Plenty of white knights there.
8. Not likely to get asked to do the dishes if you walk out on her.
9. She can leave and not return: you’re stuck with the bill, too bad.
10. Status photos on facebook, more attention from other guys.
11. If she wants to, she can dump a drink in your face and there’s NO WAY you can retaliate.

We do a lot of complaining here (justifiably so) about the narcissistic, perpetually adolescent flighty behavior that seems to prevail among so many American women today, that I thought I would link this as a reminder that there are still some level-headed, quality women out there.

I think it’s worth lauding responsible, true motherly behavior every once in a while, since we can get a little too jaded with all of the stories about all of these nutty feminists:

[heartiste: the existence of women’s powerful motherly instincts is rarely argued. but its existence is not some sort of antigen to flighty female behavior. many women who would lose a leg for their kids are the kind of women who would divorce on a whim or have bastards out of wedlock. for the only universal force that rivals the mother instinct in power is female hypergamy and entitlement.]

I was thinking about something similar, notice in popular culture, when there’s a team up of powerful action man and powerful action women, regardless of the age of power-man, the chick is always 20-28.
A-team, Jessica Biel
Losers, Zoe
watchmen, silk
iron man 2, the black widow.
That is, the woman’s powerful combat skills and other badd-ass life skills are granted to her when she’s in her hottest stage of life. Or, consider Biel in A-team, her position of power is similar to John Hamm’s, right? Whereas you can see for yourself the difference in age between the man and the woman. I think it’s Hollywood unwittingly accepting the two maxims up above, a powerful man’s power is his power, eh? While a woman’s power is her looks, along with whatever else she can supposedly do (kick ass, hack computers, shoot guns). That is, they’re subconsciously equating hot babe=alpha dude.

When I first graduated and moved back to the ‘burbs I took down three different 17-year-olds because that was the only show in town. A 5 foot hostess, a girl from a music show and a junior who liked to get high.

I hit em each once and never talked to them again because they sucked. Not in bed- they all sucked as people.

I get it, old guys, I do. When you want a girl who looks amazing in booty shorts, then god damn nothing else matters. But none of those girls are keepers in my spank bank highlight reel. Youth isn’t a turn on for me anymore, though since my dating pool is 19-25 year-olds anyway, young might as well include 17 to you old farts even though it’s a world of difference to me. My advice, embrace the nagging suspicion in your jailbait fantasy that hanging out with teenagers kind of sucks and alpha up to find/create life’s real turn-ons. Stop being a woman rationalizing your Justin Bieber fantasies- age-of-consent historically, Muhammed’s wife, biological drive- don’t fall for something which doesn’t exist in the first place.

I do understand it though. Watch a 3-some, the smaller babe always gets it more than the bigger girl, even if they’re both hot. And that’s really the female mating strategy, be so much hotter than the chick next to you that the guy spends most his time banging you when he eventually pops his top. But there are plenty of skinny spinners and propellers out there to scratch that itch without having to dip into fucking high-school.

Yes it is very easy in that case to persuade oneself to assume the laughable male doggystyle and just stuff your tongue into that briny lightly-flossed little conch and belabor its glistening pearl.

And when 18 is squealing and needs to be gagged because you simply cannot bear to hear the phrase O My God even once more, you spend a little time, more than a little time, taking a good long whiff of her young crack and poking a stiff proxy finger into that sweetest of all holes.

Staring up at you with those babyfat cheeks and unknowing eyes as she sucks you for her ass, brewing a gusher in your fat, hairy, dangling sack.

Up to age 60 a man doesn’t need to be famous or super alpha. What he does need is to have been pre-selected by another coed who adores him and has lots of friends of her own. At that age, pre-selection is more important than any other factor including age and looks.

All American men should expatriate at age 40 by the way. That’s a given.

I’m not sure Arnold could pull anymore after I saw that maid. No alpha would have touched her.

Good reply, but….. I’m Quite sure Arnold is still pulling super pussy regardless of maid into what is he — 65 now?

Agree with Heartiste that was roid horniness talking – the maid was around. Also, evidence the Governator was setting up hotel bangs during office hours at the capital as recently as last year … with his California State Police security detail making the arrangements lol

Case in point: Yesterday a (legal) 17 year old calls me and lets me know she’s found a couple of roommates her age and they all live nearby. I’m like “Lets meet at the cafe in 30 minutes”. One of the roommates shows up with her. The other didn’t want to come. Why not? She had said the idea of meeting an older male stranger scared her and creeped her out. I made friends with the one who came. She and the original friend then agreed we should all 4 of us have lunch today. The two roommates went back and convinced the scared roommate that I was a good guy. Today the scared roommate, a virgin, shows up for lunch and really opens up to me, agrees we all should spend Saturday at my place cooking, watching shows, etc and then kisses me directly on the mouth goodbye. She’d never been on a date with a real man before (just boys).

Pre-selection was about 85% of the work.

And I didn’t have to apply for a job as a high school teacher to become the “group leader” of a gang of girls looking to hang out.

Good stuff with the pre-selection. Now I see where you’re coming from with that. This should be a post from Heartiste, bet that not many know about this angle but it makes sense when you explain how it negates creep factor, good stuff

You can always pull anytime you have either a cool car, cool activities to go to, or cool places to be.
Indifference, REAL indifference, is your friend.
You’re not in a relationship with her until the both of you agree to it … AND act like it. In public.
None of that “I’m too prim and proper to do anything except walk in step”.
Love with no expression of it is merely somebody in the relationship getting used.

Maybe Hooker should have kept his taste in women in line with reality and had some humility. He certainly seems very average as far as men go. He ruined his life due to his self delusions. He sounds silly when he talks about “following his heart”.

[heartiste: he might sound silly but you shouldn’t doubt for a second that he’s being honest.]

Ruined his life? He grew a pair and dumped a life he hated. Now he’s banging an 18 year old. That’s not a delusion, that’s reality.

Admit it, you don’t like it because it makes you face the truth: men prefer YOUNG women, and YOU ARE GETTING OLDER! It is not his actions but your own fear that make the situation uncomfortable for you.

++++++++ 1. Well said, GK. Well said indeed! I suspect that most of the women who dare to comment here are drawn towards genuine alphas, not the synthetic alphas that frequent this blog. So it’s not hard to dismiss the grotesque nonsense that comprises 95% of the comments. The 5% is worth sticking around for, though. Or at least checking in once in a while. I won’t lie: I’ve learned a lot here. I also lost 20 lbs after starting to read this blog. Haha! It puts the fear into a girl.

I had to laugh when I recently showed my man a CH post (the one about women needing a master). He glanced at it, for all of ten seconds (glanced through, basically), and then said, “Oh, yes. That’s the natural order of things. And don’t worry, you’ll always be my subaltern. ” and then couldn’t be bothered to look at it for another second!!! He’s never even heard of “game”. He doesn’t need to. It cracks me up…and delights me, of course.

He’s fluent in eight languages, so he uses a lot of words in casual conversation. He’s also an Argentinian/Italian/Polish ex-rugby player and could squash most men here with his pinky finger. So, bring on the death squad…pretty sure we can handle it. That is, he can handle it while I cheer on the sidelines and reward him amply afterwards.

I’m attracted to alphas, but don’t really prefer them. I suspect my attraction to them is mostly because of their attraction to me and an almost complete dearth of alternatives.

What I’d really like, and make effort to pursue would be classed somewhere in mid to higher beta. I settle for alpha if there is nothing else.

My fantasy, since I was young, was to find someone like my Dad. I am spoiled. I value loyalty, honor, and all manner of “crap” alphas tend not to have. I like heroic men with a mission in life, sacrificing something for the good of humanity, so I can sacrifice myself to him. Alpha to the world is irrelevant and in the dirty details, a bit repulsive. I would much prefer a beta who is “alpha enough”. To me, an alpha in the extra-family sense is a dick on an incubator.

My Dad is more alpha than head-of-family. He could be a cult leader if he wanted, and in a sense if one considers roots Christian study groups cults, he already is. He was still beta enough though, to risk death for me and my Mom, and to, as far as I know, remain monogamous to her for 40 years so far.

I would call my Dad a kind of voluntary beta. Conscious choice aside though, he trained me well to see the appeal of the beta.

I practiced what I preached. I dated and shagged within my friend zone. I didn’t use my feministic confusion years to bang the “quarterback”, but to hit a few nerdy guys I actually liked. I married two of them.

…but a horrible thing started to happen at some point when I found myself on the market again. Aside of being out of my element, there was the additional problem that the betas were all married, broken, or not looking for someone my age. Most of those pursuing me and available are thugs and goons who held off from marrying.

So as for me, I don’t want a “genuine alpha”. Those guys are messed up with all manner of issues. It might seem romantic to be the ride or die bitch of a guy who has killed a few people, but on the real, those same guys have probably nailed their share of 13 year olds on the mysterious trips to Eastern Europe. They have no care for the world they live in except how much money they can extract from it. At the lower level, though the rewards are not as much, the mentality is the same.

I won’t lie and say I never went there. In a kind of fatigue, I started for awhile to be okay with it and try to not think about the destruction. I couldn’t sleep at night.

My sleep is important to me. So really, I’d rather have someone I could do that peaceful sleeping with. I would be very happy with a cubicle guy whose leadership skills were focused mainly on me. As long as he’s not a complete pussy and has some fight in him when it’s called for, we’re cool. Let the hotties have the alphas. That’s the natural order of things. Whenever one of them is looking at one of me, it is never for a healthy reason.

Ahh! That is so true. We are chicks who are not only drawn to natural alphas, but really crave understanding of ourselves and our guy. Does that sound foreign?

My husband (a natural alpha perhaps?) always says he still thinks of me as 18 or 19, as I was an 18 year old virgin when I met him. He’s the same age as me…we’ve been together for almost 22 years now.

I also have gotten much more serious about my weight since reading this and other blogs. I thought I got it, but I didn’t really GET it. I’m down 40 lbs.

I don’t feel the least bit jealous of beautiful 18 year olds…I mean I got to be one myself. I do think the fact that my husband got to enjoy all my best years makes him very happy, and that makes me happy. Sure, I know he checks them out, but it truly doesn’t bother me.

Maybe I’m an unusual snowflake, but more likely my guy had some good teenager game and got me good and bonded, hooked. It is possible.

A woman who’s only interested in nice men when her time on the cock carousel has expired, is just an older woman.
A young woman who chose to build a life with a nice man when she had the opportunity to be on the cock carousel, is a keeper.

The long-term companion idea is BS – depends WHEN she got into the relationship.
A 35 year old being in a relationship for 2 years with a guy,
means a lot less than a 20 year old being in a relationship for 2 years with a guy.

Agreed. But if this guy is 41 and has a 17yo daughter himself, then he’s likely been in the same relationship at least since his early 20s, which means the relationship probably pre-dates the year his oldest child was born (at least by 9 months obviously). But yeah, a 35+ yo female in a brief (anything less than 4 yrs is brief) relationship claiming lifetime companionship status is certainly laughable. I think the lifetime companionate status should be reserved for relationships that progress and endure through various life phases teen/young adult/prekids/parenthood/grandparenthood.

All he’s done is trade a situation he was unhappy with, his marriage, for a situation that he can be temporarily happy with. He’s sacrificed far too much for a whiff of 18 year old poon. This girl will get herself pregnant within 2-3 years or leave him when she sees what she’s done. She’s already chubby, she’ll bust loose after a child or too, because she doesn’t seem to care much about fitness. Its cool to have a young chick at your beck and call, but not worth what he sacrificed to get it. He will be left with nothing of the wealth he spent 20+ years accumulating, to include his defined payout pension plan. His wife will get most of it- the house, the furniture, the children, and the cars. He’ll get the bills. California will be cruel to this fellow in divorce court. Then there are the questions of decency. He’s irreparably damaged his relationship with his children. I don’t know whether he was just bored in his marriage or were they at it tooth and claw? Overall he’s acted like a beta by trading one marriage for another based on a poor set of criteria for success. He’s severely damaged his life for minimal gain. He should have tapped it on the sly for a while first. I guess young poon is overvalued here because so many women get fat in their early twenties. You can satisfy that urge for 18 year old poon in a lot of ways that don’t involve destroying what you’ve built up over the years, all the same. You can’t get that time back. Try not to waste it. Josey Wales wouldn’t have made this decision, I can tell you that much.

No she won’t. This is where you’re wrong. I would have deeply resented my father over such an act. Most daughters would as well. You underestimate how important the psychological need for an intact family is in children. If he was really so miserable, he should have left the country and gone ghost. Since he gave up his job anyway, he might as well have taken the bigger plunge.

Agreed w/the effeminate part. (although I do know one guy who pulls off effeminate quite well and isn’t repulsive). Disagreed with the nerdy designation by virtue of his profession and because there are many contexts where nerdy can be very attractive.

But yeah, something tells me his ex isn’t exactly going to be heartbroken over this. Whereas if he dumped the 18yo, she WOULD be heartbroken.

Then go ahead and throw away everything on an average looking girl. Maybe you don’t have much to lose. I do. I’ll keep my toys and head somewhere else where I can be tagging 8 and 9s if I ever decide to leave. I’m not some chump who has lived in the same town all of my life. I’ve been overseas most of my adult life and the last thing I would do would be to throw away all I’ve built up and achieved for some chubby American girl who will turn into a marshmallow puffy fat woman in three years. I know I can do far better given the same situation.

I’ve read your replies in the thread, let this stand as my answer to your points.

It’s not important that Hooker’s gal is merely an averagely sweet teen, though that is certainly, in terms of sugar and honey content, a little sweeter than some perhaps remember or would like to admit. Nor is it about the wised-up non-chumps like ourselves who’ve been *lucky* enough and ballsy enough to get around, see the world, and be able to grade feminine quality with the fine discernment of a diamond-dealer.

No. The small glory here is Hooker’s unexpected and smirkingly public rebellion against a conformity that has become as rigorous as death, and resembles death. Hooker was an average f’ing chump who took a fat stick that looks a lot like 41 year old cock and stuck it square in the face of every tenured harridan and hag blogger who would make laws out of their hatred for men.

What is “alpha” is not so much the man, nor the girl, but the act. This is especially true because the act comes with a high price: he will pay for what he’s done. And what he’s done goes beyond him.

His minor spasm of bravery and heedlessness *outraged* the people that most deserve our hate. It puts them on notice that men are not yet wholly tamed and it no doubt ruined some cunt’s worthless day and for that I celebrate him and his “average” little piece of high school pussy.

I can agree with that. I did the same thing in my own life a few years back. I just did it in such a way that I kept all of my toys and still get to screw the ex as well. I am 50 and want to finally start a family,as I like children and think somebody’s got to keep up the educated and cosmopolitan parts of the population. I also have some strong morals about abandoning children. From your criteria, Hooker is a man who took the plunge and rebelled. I can admire that much about him. My criticism is more of how he did it, rather than him doing it at all. No harm no foul.

That only started to happen when women started to join universities and men started to marry their college sweethearts.

I think only a few of these marriages survive. When women were (a little bit) more loyal and feminine, men (instead of being ass raped in the divorce courts) ended up having mistresses or leaving their aging wives for younger babes. This created a regiment of jaded hags who sought their way of revenge by adhering to the feminist ideals during the 70s.

Same-age marriages are the root of all evil. Wonder why the muz and some christians are against mixity in schools and universities? I tend to see the wisdom behind the apparent retardation.

A healthy age difference (10 to 15 years) is more beneficial to the stability of the institution of marriage. There will be some casualties, but way less than under the current paradigm where women are encouraged to date the college quarterback.

I wouldn’t say same-age marriages are the “root of all evil”. It depends on the people who are married. To me, a big age gap will be problematic because each person would be in a different stage in life.

Stage of life difference means little to a man and not much to a woman as well.

Looks matter a billion times more to the man and power/game matter a billion times more to the woman.

[heartiste: “stage of life” is just a polite euphemism that mediocrities use to paper over the real sexual forces at work. i’ve been with plenty of younger women and not once did any “stage of life” differences materialize or cause friction. it’s total bs. about the only time i can see stage of life mattering is when there is a 40+ year difference in ages. at that point, if one of you still uses a landline and listens to big band, then there could be issues.]

Same-aged relationships happen all the time. Otherwise, no 16-year-old male would ever get laid. I’m not sure what age girls the commentors here think teen guys should be sleeping with. (Females choosing wisely, though, is a whole separate discussion, and for the most part, involves waiting. Clearly, the girls on shows like Teen Mom didn’t choose very wisely.)

The age gap for this particular girl probably won’t be problematic because what would otherwise be her biggest concern or fear (early widowhood-because, shock, she’s thinking of marriage even subconsciously because most girls think of marriage/major LTR) is probably voided considering her dad died when she was 9 (and her mom was an early widow, so she’s fully aware that widowhood can happen at any age). The only other objection (shit test) I can see her having at some point is- if he left his wife so easily, how quickly will he leave her?

Contrary to the conventional wisdom around here, men can shoot above their leagues much more often than most people think. This depends a lot on the emotional state of the girl. Since we all know the roller coaster nature of that, a girl will be open to a men below her league at appropriate moments.

Having said that, what happens when a man is succesfull with a girl above his league and way above what he is used to? He tries to tie her to him as quickly as possible, usually by impregnating her.

There was this 17 year old girl I met when partying in another town. She told about her “former 35 year old BF”. To make the story shorter, the guy was sort of a “trusted neighbour” of her family who basically hit on her full time for a whole year. She broke of, and told that the guy had told her mother she had gone to the party in order to prevent her from coming. Think about a debased and despicable behavior of a 35 year old man toward a 17 year old chick. He acted as if he was 17 himself. Anyway, that is how man behave when shooting above their leagues. I bet she may be pregnant of him by now.

Yep. That was my thought as well. I’m guilty of the same impulse. It just feels right to let one fly bareback in a tight young chick. Maybe it stems from insecurity or something, but honestly i think its nature because it feels so damn right in the moment, and then so wrong 30 seconds later. It also doesn’t help when she’s whimpering for you to come in her.

Yeah but girls can even get preggo from precum. So unless you’re avoiding the vag entirely, condoms 100% of the time evey time. And flush that sucker so she doesn’t fish it out of the trash and dump it into herself.

It has been scientifically established that pre ejaculate fluid does not have motile sperm in it. Pulling out is, in practice, about the same effectiveness as condoms. You just have to make sure to clean up after yourself.

[heartiste: pulling out is pretty good birth control. the problem is that for most men the tactile sensation of vajsheathed nutbusting usurps the visual sensation of the airborne money shot. facials compensate, with bonus points for extra-demeaning eyeball strikes.]

I’ve been screwing younger and older women simulataneously for much of my life. I like them both. I can’t really get down with this post so much. However, since many of you suffer terribly, please send me all of your girlfriends who are now 28-35 and too old for sex anymore. I promise I will take good care of them and you’ll never hear from them again.

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Maxim #102: For most men, five minutes of a younger, hotter woman beats five years of older, uglier women.

Younger women are, barring a few conspicuous exceptions, better looking, better smelling, less asscocked, and better feeling than older women. Career goals not achieved to the contrary notwithstanding, younger women are alpha females. The man who has tasted the succulent flesh of a pre-bernakified, pre-assocked, pre-desouled 18 year old cutie will never again look at, or feel toward, older, buttcocked (and taped in secret) women with the same excitement, urgency or romanticism. He has been corrupted. His memories, lucid, almost palpable, of intimacies with younger, pre-bernakified, pre-buttcocked women, will dominate. Five minutes in bed with a young unbuttcocked babe will linger longer in his cortical penis extension than five years with an assortment of older assocked and bernakifed/deosueld women.

James Hooker has doomed himself. But it’s a doom that most men would welcome with open arms, if they could. His relationship — loving, tender, sexual — with an 18 year pre-buttcocked old babe means, should he find himself single again, that few buttcocked, deosuled women his age will satisfy him the way his current younger pre-buttcocked lover does. An older buttcocked woman Hooker’s age who wants to extract commitment from him, or even a simulacra of lovingkindness, is going to have her work cut out for her. A man’s memory of a pre-assocked, unbernakified 18-year-old is a more powerful competitor to her than the attentions of real live buttcoeked women her own age.

Men like Hooker, men who have experience bedding younger, pre-buttocked women, and whose libidos are rocket fueled by powerful memories of young, non-asscoekd woman love, if they are single, go blankly into that dating field of buttcocked cougars and desouled cynical spinsters, depressed over the substandard offerings, forever seeking to recapture the intensely pleasurable magic of their time with their lithe, pre-buttcocked lolitas. Their sheer disgust at the socially approved alternatives, and their unbreakable confidence at having inspired the love of much younger, pre-asspenetertaed women, will help propel them back into the arms of charming unboutcoked, non-bernkaiified coeds. They are men on a mission, and they won’t be stopped, not even by marriage.

Men like this live by one rule: if the buttcocked, dusty cunnilingus feels like a choreand requires a full hazmat suit and self contained breathing apparatus and an emergency beacon and sniorkel and mpa and compass, she’s too old.

As a one night stand with an alpha male can skew a woman’s expectations for life, so can a fling with an 18-year-old pre-buttocked hottie skew a man’s expectations for life. But there is a critical difference in the sexes regarding expectation levels. It requires little effort for an average-looking woman to spread her legs and permit an alpha male to dump a fuck in her in her butthole; for men are, on the whole, the less discriminating sex, and will rarely pass up easy lays with normal-sized women when they are offered. A woman’s ego, inflated from birth, will mistakenly regard the alpha’s fly-by-night attentions as validation of her relationship worthiness to men of his caliber. She will, in time, learn a bitter lesson.

In contrast, it requires yeoman effort, whether through the accumulation of wealth and status or through charm and dominance, for an average-looking older man to persuade an pre-buttcocked 18-year-old babe to relinquish her sex to him. This effort and resulting success is evidence that he has what it takes to consistently attract younger women and have relationships with them. When in the company of younger pre-buttcocked women, his mate value is self-evident. Thus, such a man’s expectations are more in line with reality than are the slutty, buttcocked, bernakiified, sedoeuled woman’s expectations whose value is rightly measured not by how much cock she can hoover, but by how many high value men she can convince to stick around and fall in love with her.

Nevertheless, a continent full of average-looking, non-obese women riding the alpha cock carousel for stretches of their lives as it strectches out their buttholes, and older men openly ignoring buttcocked, ebnernankiified women their age to pursue their desire for the company of pre-buttcoked younger women, means an end to mutually nourishing beta male-pre-buttocked slender female relationships and societally stabler older male-older post-assco0cked female pairings. This is probably not going to turn out well for a monogamy-based modern civilization like ours, but it seems the rule that civilizations in the final spasms of decay revert to more primal norms of self-actualizing sexual and romantic fulfillment, such as buttcocking and taping it in secret like tucker max rhemyes iwth goldman sax lzzoozozoz.

analyses and speculations notwithstanding, the stench of alphaness or otherwise in this case will be revealed by society’s collective noses soon. alpha if enough women lets him get away with it (bill clinton, chris brown), ho-hum beta if not (tiger woods).

it helps his cause (and ours) if he remains stubbornly unapologetic. but the smell is the smell. women will pick up on that. and he will be judged by what smell he emanates from henceforth. it’s his fight, he brought it upon himself.

Better to be alone than miserable in a relationship with someone you aren’t attracted to.
Why get into a relationship with someone out of convenience? Too many men get scared … a woman having gone through a lifetime of cock, isn’t going to turn loyal for you – she PICKED YOU LAST.

I bet he knocks her up in the next 3-6 months, too. There are powerful forces at work beneath the male conscious mind when hitting a younger girl. The soft skin, breasts, face, voice…all of these indicators of fertility hit you at once and as irrational as it seems, you not only want to be banging the chick, you want to bust a huge one in her.

Hooker is an Alpha, but he’s a contextual, situational Alpha. Take him out of his element (a high school classroom) and put him in the clubs, at the beach, at the gym, or damn near anywhere else and you’ll see just how “Alpha” he really is.

It’s precisely because of Hooker’s subscription to the soul-mate myth that he reeks of beta. I have no doubt that he fluidly convinced himself of his noble intent narrative, casting himself as the savior for his adoring princess. White Knights are very prone to using their delusions of chivalry to rationalize good intent into the same behaviors they’d condemn in Players, PUAs or typical ‘other guys’ in general. To venture a guess I’d expect that Hooker buys his own bullshit, and because of this he hasn’t given an afterthought to how it will affect his career, his relationship with his family, his kids or any future social circle.

In fact, I’ll even go as far to say that most Alphas operate best in context. The good-timey white boy quarterback will not do well with the intellectual Orthodox Jewish women who value brains and tend to not like brawn. And vice versa.

Maybe the key to success here is recognizing what context works best for each of us and being Alpha in that realm. For some it’s the classroom; for others it’s the club. The problem is that it’s hard to honestly assess yourself so there are a lot of would-be Alphas operating as Betas in the wrong context.

@ N/A: “The passionate and charming man so dully labelled here by the term “alpha” lives for love, every kind of love: love of work; love of women; love of danger; love of play; & etc.”

Wow…and here I had you pegged as a “lust” sort of guy. The word “love” coming from you sounds like an obscenity and abomination. “Lives for love”??? Lives for nihilistic self-gratification, is more like it.

Alpha in this blog means attractive to the other sex. An alpha female would be a young, beautiful, feminine woman.
In that case, an alpha male and an alpha female are meant to be together. Nothing happens, except babies or STD infection.

Don’t worry, Jenny. You’ll have yourself a nice, tame khaki-clad Herb who’ll roll over on command for you as long as you give him your tight, little Asian pussy once or twice a week. Nothing rocky. No competition. He’ll support your musical career and lie to you that your interpretations of European music aren’t wooden and soulless.

I wonder if Asian girls/white Herbs is another stereotype? Stereotypes suck and they’re so untrue, but they’re as American as mama and apple pie.

Until someone else displaces you.
It’s always fun to watch the funny drama as two women, one older and one younger, jockey for career status with an approving middle manager between them as the guy who decides on the favourable appraisal.

An older woman finds it much harder to get employment anywhere after being laid off.

Actually, what happens is that the quarterback and the cheerleader have their fake fairytale until she finds out he’s been shagging all up and down her imaginary pecking order. It explains everything, and she realizes this is why none of the girls respected her. Life is not a Mean Girls movie.

The alpha girls are dating guys in their 20’s from the time they are 16-17, not the quarterback. Why date the high school football player when you can score a guy who is already working, or better yet, already a professional football or basketball player?

A lot of those girls aren’t kept around, but then a lot of them are.

I don’t know if this helps if you are a young guy cursing your inability to get with other high school girls, but it should give you some hope for your early 20’s. Fewer parents than you’d think have a problem with this so long as your intentions are honorable.

As my parents told me, they’d be more worried about me if I actually liked guys my age than they were that I was dating older men. Just be careful because some parents are overly programmed.

Thanks for your advice, Nikki, but I was using the jock/cheerleader couple as a sort of low hanging fruit example to enlighten the little Asian neophyte.

There’s a logic to what you say. I suspect the greater the age difference, the better the man will treat the little dove, but if cheerleaders were spreading to older men when I was in high school, they were doing it strictly sub rosa and cheating on their jock boyfriends in the process, which they all had.

Here’s the thing: alpha women are not the most popular girls or “cheerleaders”. They’re the prettiest girls. I assure you that the prettiest were dating older men with something going for them.

What can’t be stressed enough is that women’s little status based pecking order has nothing whatsoever with what men judge as beauty.

The girls who date the jocks do so because they believe that’s their best option, and it usually is. High school is not forever though. The popular girls’ territory is school, but the pretty girl’s territory is everywhere else.

In church, in the store, at work, etc. the prettiest are being pursued by guys who have a lot more to offer than bragging rights.

It depends on their basic compatibility. Unlike the conventional wisdom here dictates, people are not Legos. If they compliment one another well, they become one of these glamor couples we all seek to become. They will do things together and be good at them together.

I met a girl who is 17, which is legal here in SC in an art class. I am 26 years old. I always liked her and one day i added her on facebook, and she sends me a message asking how old I was and now we talk back and forth for the past few months. I finally do a beta thing and tell her I like her and would like to kiss/hold her(via text), she claims she hasent done that type of thing before and is not allowed to date until she is 18 though she would definately be up for it if i was not “nearly ten years older than her”, so I gave up on her and deleted her from my phone but she sends me the occasional “guess what i did today” type text and then it starts over again. How should I preceed with this?

You failed the shit test when she said that your age was a problem. You could have said, and still can, that she has no long term chance with guys her own age and it’s OK to tell a teen that her looks will fade at around 25.

She wants you so go get it. Stop the texting however. Get her in real life. Be firm about it being bullshit that you can’t meet or that there is anything wrong in the age difference.

Ignore what she says…..and try to ignore much of what you are thinking( like compliment and cuddle). Broadly speaking it would seem unusual. Historically speaking, hell no. Just show her how its all working out now avoiding the historical trends. Every other word out of a girls mouth is how immature men are. Well duh, they are when they are her own age.

Look at it this way. That kind of relationship probably has the most stable long term potential there is, and thus is the best hope for civilization. Why not save the world with a 17 year old? Tell me, does monogamy and stable family work when the woman is hotter? Yes? What makes a woman hotter all else being equal again?

It is conceivably adaptive. Adolescent and adult children can benefit from fathers and help pass the genes. So there is at least some driver there.

The only thing going on hooking up with a strange 50 year old woman is something parasitic on her part, and thus a rather weak biological impulse if any. I suppose it has communal benefits but at a large cost to the individual.

“As a one night stand with an alpha male can skew a woman’s expectations for life, so can a fling with an 18-year-old hottie skew a man’s expectations for life.”

Yes, but alphas are less interchangeable than young hotties. An alpha can get over an ex-fling in a few weeks. A woman may never get over a ONS with a super alpha.

IOW, casual sex is more harmful to women than men. Therefore, women’s sexuality should never be completely free, and slut shaming should be reinforced etc… But all these are old, very old truths in this blog.

I feel that. Having come of age with the women’s movement, I’ll admit that I felt for many years that change was coming fast and was inevitable. For a long time I bought into the idea that once women had to come to a certain age and level of experience parity would naturally be reached. That time is now. And we’re at 16%.

With the rise of social conservatism as a political and cultural force I felt the backlash, but I still thought that we were in the midst of inexorable change. (Ironically, I believed it was the advent of birth control that made the difference — being able to control reproduction was the big game changer.) Now I’m seeing backsliding on reproductive freedom — and a whole lot of other things, including a sort of misogynistic cruelty I first dealt with when women were trying to break into male dominated jobs in the 1970s. Then I saw this movie [North Country], which was based on a true story and saw that it was still going on in the late 80s, virtually unchanged. In recent years, it’s bubbled up to the surface online in a big way. This thing never goes away.

This worries me. When you look at what’s happening around the globe, it’s very easy to see just how possible it is for women’s rights to backslide. It’s true that it’s been most obvious in the middle eastern countries in the grip of Islamic fundamentalism. But our “exceptional” Western democracy is hardly a world leader in feminist achievement.

Not too long now for all of their shit to really fall apart like a house of cards.

She means “rights for old, ugly, dishonest, thieving carousel riders”.
Does she have a fantasy from the times of the Greeks and Romans, that she can tell the virile young men “You can have all the young girls you want, as soon as you’ve played Mr. Driller with my barren, windblasted body”?

If I maintain my age-independent feminine characteristics, will the fact that I gave my hottest, tightest years exclusively to my husband mitigate some of the effects of age? Will he be able to mentally photoshop me younger?

If he loves you and isn’t either broken or more conquest oriented than average yet paradoxically monogamous, yes.

As I’ve said many times, love, especially familial love, is a whole different animal than lust. Even most men I know who do a bit on the side still have plenty of energy left for the old wife, and do their “duty” happily.

If a guy is more conquest oriented than normal though, and doesn’t own his sexuality enough, he may compare his wife to others on a physical basis, and feel less satisfied with her because of it.

Most guys though, are pretty balanced in this. From the time they’re young until forever, they have different standards for short and long term relationships. So there is no need to let worries about rare hypothetical scenarios invade normal long term relationships.

Just don’t let yourself go and think he’s supposed to be okay with that. When you take care of yourself, even if the results aren’t that spectacular, he knows that you care for him. It is an expression of your devotion.

Though some guys here would argue otherwise, for most I know, someone who may not be the hottest, but is devoted to them, is worth a whole lot more than someone prettier but would murder them without blinking. Exceptions abound, but men tend to keep the “bird in hand”.

Do women remember their adult children when they were babies? It is another factor and it helps. I can’t imagine having the same bond knowing I am getting what was left. To me investing in a 35 year old is like adopting a 13 year old who has been in and out of juvie.

Yes, if you continue to have sex with him and express enjoyment. If you look at it as “job done” and stop, or give him the feeling that it is a chore… well, if he still has any testosterone left he’ll be tempted to look elsewhere. I am married and admit the temptation would be there. I married a woman ten years younger than me who enjoys having sex with me. I feel no real temptation to look elsewhere. Do I still appreciate younger women? Hell yes! But I love my wife and intend to have children with her, and intend to be there for their growing up.

I wonder what percentage of men consider the idea of a lifestyle of constantly dating young women?

When I’ve mentioned it here, only a small handful are personally familiar with doing that, which is reasonable and expected. The strange thing is that it seems that the majority of men claim to be averse to the idea.

It seems most men actually want similar aged relationships, and want to be monogamous for life.

It’s baffling. There is actual antipathy from men to the idea of just trading in your girl every few years for the next hot 21 year old, until you die.

Most men simply do not value the aesthetic and sexual charms of fresh young ass and fresh new attitudes anywhere near as strongly as we do.

For years it made no sense to me. Now I understand that most men are rather timid creatures of order and habit, and nothing upsets a life’s settled habits more than a fresh piece of young ass.

Fucking is an interesting question. I have asked my oldest friends, some of whom married 15 years back, how they feel about fucking their wives. These are rich men with elite educations and the ability to travel.

I report, with some inexpungable residue of stunned incredulity, that *none* of these men cheat on their wives. Not one. The most honest of my friends reports with dread finality: “once you have kids it is over.”

It is also disgustingly true that the ghoulish and unnatural ideology of “feminism” has made a workplace dalliance, even one as simple and wholesome as a secretary over or under the desk, a thing fit only for the insipid fantasies of Not Very Mad Men who watch from the terrible distance of impossibility. These men cannot risk the punishment even if they dared or desired. Which brings me to my final point.

Most of today’s feminized men under 45 have neither the courage nor the desire to fuck young pussy. They are cockblocked by our culture of savage conformity. They are low in testosterone. They blush and cringe at even the mild and cheerful obscenities I occasionally deal out. They are debagged.–

The one’s who do are basically go out of town. What does that tell you? Its not just about pulling it off. Its resources and opportunity. A traveling salesman simply does not have to upend his life and has the time available. The other option is if she goes out of town, but again you have the time. Other than that you have to find the type of woman who can be fooled or will tolerate it. It ain’t free that’s for sure.

I want a wife who is younger than me by 15-20 years and be in a position to tap something on the side as I see fit. I like marriage for the most part. Its a huge qualitiative difference for me over being a serial monogamist.

I am guessing the men who are actually living that lifestyle are afraid of the social fallout from women via relational aggression or the idea they can be blackmailed as “pedophiles” (dating an 18 year old?!?)

That’s where the antipathy comes from.

Since they are not actors or politicians, the fallout is much much worse.

I’m not sure that men want similar age relationships…more like similar phase.

Back when people were prepared for the responsibilities of marriage and children at a reasonable age, women were emotionally, practically, and aesthetically prepared by 16-20, and men were emotionally, practically, and financially prepared by 25-35. Women were prepared earlier because naturally, the onset of menstruation deemed it necessary. So it’s both very natural and very civilized for there to be a substantial age gap between men and women who marry even if each does it as soon as they are prepared.

About the shuffling, though it isn’t what most guys would prefer, I think some psychological and social room needs to be made for the idea. Not all women are suited for marriage for whatever reason, and I don’t think it harms those who are sexually functional, to spend a few years under the wing of a guy who actually cares for them but just maybe needs change and variety more than usual.

The problem is mostly roles and entitlement. In societies, exceptions and exceptional people are frowned upon. So the shuffler gets labelled as an exploiter, and the shuffled as exploited whether or not they would thrive in a monogamous forever type of arrangement. Also, with entitlement, every hoe thinks she deserves wife benefits and every wife thinks she deserves hoe attention. You have people living against their nature and trying to have it all.

If you are in a similar phase of relationships you have 2 people complaining about the same thing.
Hence no proper problem-solving happens.
2 people bringing something different to the table means there are more innovative solutions to consider.

Back in my 40s when I was a dance sensation and danced with 10,000 beautiful young women, I walked past the other dance department on campus and had a good laugh when I looked inside and saw some earnest-looking geezer in tights working the serious “ballet” shtick.

Point being, put the numbers in your favor. “Automating” your proximity to women gets a lot of the work done for you, and when, as in dance class, the numbers tip >50% women it’s like shootin fish in a barrel. Going to a bar when you have a good method down is like going to some overcrowded pay-lake.

I could have worked older dance venues and slaughtered them but had no interest, for reasons described in the essay. Sadly, when I got obviously older that their dad, the young ones weren’t so eager to dance with me anymore.

Paying can be done as a sugar daddy to a clean disease-free virgin however. We’re not talking about a possibly diseased professional. Since the costs aren’t really that high, provided you are not living in an over-heated socialist economy, it actually ends up giving a man more and better pussy than when he was younger (and beta) and getting stuff now and then for free.

Setting up sugar daddy relationships requires tons of game if your targets are those who have never done it before.

College bar is one thing.
Taxi service is the other.
Housing near the college is the third thing.

Making yourself indispensable to the young women, ensures you gain their compliance.
After all, we keep being told “women want men they can look up to”
which means, they want men capable of “looking down on them”(and being unscathed by their social shaming and relational aggression dances), amirite?

If pure sex, totally in the moment, is your criterion, young stuff does have its biological imperative. Of course, young girls typically have very poor technique, have fewer orgasms, and jare ust not as good lays as older women. I did more than few in college and the post-college girls were better in the sack so there’s a balance in the pleasure department. Exceptions abound, no doubt.

Still, you can only spend so many hours of a day stroking and fondling. That leaves a lot of non-sexual living to take up the time.

My AMOG coworker and I were debating the merits of a slim, college age tard minder who passes through with a gaggle of tards in the midmorning to collect our company’s garbage-the tards are made marginally useful through a local charity, and half of the minders tend to be thin young women.

He: “She’s got kind of a mousy face, but it might be nice.”

I (in admittedly much more beta language): “I’d hit it, just for the simple fact that thin is so RARE anymore. I can go as low as 5.5 and be happy as long as she’s not carrying, or threatening to carry, much extra weight. ‘Thin-and-proportionate’ on its own is a quality so rare, and so desirable, as to override other more typical considerations in recent years.”

It’s nice to hear you ease up on the slim subset of the 30+ female demographic, provided their bodies are proportional, for they are indeed preferable to most of the fatter, younger caste (albeit with almost zero shelf life for younger men) – provided they are well behaved.

“I’m an educated, articulate, independent woman. Or in Rush Limbaughs words, a slut.”

This is the newest copypasta spreading around facebook. I saw it posted by my cousin, 23 year old female pursuing a masters degree who has already vowed never to be married or have children. Its going to be truly sad seeing her at family gatherings in 10 years…

Ali had a great HBD moment when,after his army testing established his IQ at 72,he said,”I said I am the Greatest;I never said I was the smartest.” Nowadays of course he would denounce the test in the weird lexicon of the day:”The test is bias.”

My experience 1:
When I was 38 I dated/fucked 20 yrs pretty
girl for a year and half and I dumped her
for my 35 year ex-gf who wanted to back
in my life once she saw this young girl’s
picture in my bed. Reason: my 35 yrs old
had much better skin, boobs, and lubrication
and orgasm than my then 21 yrs old.
My friends were shocked but they were not
fucking both to know the difference.
Experience 2: I recently dumped a slender
older woman for big 28 yrs old ( I am 42).

It feels cruel at times, but if skin does not
feel good to play with, I can’t stick around.

Age is a very good proxy for good skin but not
always. Last year I fucked a 19 yrs old for a few months but she didn’t have good skin.

And BO does kill the deal as well. Some other guy just mentioned that. It’s true. Teens often don’t know how to take care of their hygiene and, if they get gardnerella, they smell like fish. That’s the most common STD but it doesn’t do that much damage so the media doesn’t talk about it. The media doesn’t care what men have to smell.

Teens themselves are easy to get for me. But getting one that smells great is a tough chore.

you only say that because you want to convince yourself that older women are better than teens … but that’s not true. most teens are not dirty and don’t stink … but i know, you need a rationalization … what if you just accepted that you are way too old for teenage girls?

I agree about the skin quality. I was recently in bed with two women, one 44 and the other 51 so had a great opportunity to compare and contrast. The latter had MUCH more appealing skin and was a pleasure to touch and hold. The younger woman had relatively rough and unappealing skin. Of course, I kicked neither out of bed.

Women vary greatly in quality – age is not the perfect metric for sexual attractiveness. So a man really does have to look at women as individuals, even if they have similar behavioral patterns.

Hell five minutes with my right hand in front of a still of some hot ass broad beats 5 years with an older, likely used up woman no matter how slender. I don’t personally do cougary and actually I find it unattractive.

There are better things for lambda males to attend to than jumpin’ through subconscious flaming hoops to get some wet ‘n stinky.

Stupidity abounds. Don’t fight the current, instead adapt to its flow to find and build systems which free you.

“That women are often complicit in the abuse they suffer at the hands of the jerks they repeatedly, and freely, return to for more of their special lessons in love. So instead of meditating on the subject like rational actors (heh), they threw feces all over their cages, hoping a turd would fly true, which it never did, for hosts at Le Chateau are much more agile than our enemies comprehend.”

When he just quiets and doesn’t help her, I was like: Why don’t you confess? She’s a little hot, what are you afraid of? Of people thinking about you? or about people thinking about her secret disadvantage?

It was due to the professor being a camp survivor and his new found leftist friends and fellow law students. I have lived on and off in Germany my whole life. I lived in Frankfurt during the mid 60s. The film reawakened a lot of memories from those days for me.

“Made desperation into a fetish”
Those women make it sound like working for an honest days’ pay is REALLY unpleasant, but being a kept woman is also REALLY unpleasant.
Why…
It’s almost like they want to be PAID FOR EXISTING!

This situation reminds me of “American Beauty”. Where Kevin Spacey plays a married man who is sick of his life with a nagging, cold hag and corporate job that he hates.

In the end, he basically tells the world to fvk off and lives his life on his terms. Including quitting his job for a low paying fast food joint, smoking pot, lifting weights, mentally leaving his wife and pursuing a younger girl who returns interest.

I don’t think anyone who has seen the whole movie can doubt that he had a pure alpha attitude at the end.

At the end he did back out on her when he decided she would regret it. I don’t think that takes away from the alpha he did such a great job exuding once he decided the rest of the world could go to hell as far as he was concerned.

He decided that she would regret it? I bang someone that age once per month (16, 17). They don’t regret it. In fact, they instigate it just the way the girl did in the film. They’re not innocent, believe me. Hypergamy starts young and they don’t regret what they do until they hit the wall.

The way I saw it, he backed out because the screenwriters were told to rewrite it that way so the film would be accepted by an older American female audience and make money.

There’s a similar scene in “To Jillian on her 36th Birthday”. A 16 year old girl is teased by a 42 year old man at a summer house of friends. Finally she says “Enough, let’s go ahead and do it if it’s so important to you.” He freezes. And she makes a speech describing him as a beta for having frozen. She says “Men like you never actually DO anything.”

My first year teaching college (28) I hooked up with a lovely student (18) and we dated for over a year, mostly after I left that job and moved to an adjacent state, meaning I saw her every other weekend or so. She was an inexperienced virgin and in retrospect was more trouble than she was worth. I was also completely beta and had no idea how to handle her. But I still daydream about her – particularly the first time she gave me a BJ – her first, and with her mom in the next room. Oh, yes, she swallowed. And her skin was like velvet, and her perfect A-cup breasts and delicious pussy… Excuse me, I need to step down the hall for a moment. BRB.

Ahem. Next topic. Through the lessons learned here (and elsewhere) I relentlessly game my 19-year-old daughter. It has saved our father-daughter relationship, and for that alone I owe CH an eternal debt. An unintended result is the effect her new-found respect and affection for me has on her (reasonably hot) friends, who I now tease and neg them any time they’re over. Lately their own teasing has become sexual and my responses are of the “I’m way out of your league / you couldn’t handle the demands of a real man / go find someone your own age to practice on” variety. They absolutely eat it up. There may be possibilities here. Anyone else here bang their teen daughter’s friends?

Finally (@tacomaster) I’ve taught evening science and math courses at the local community college for twenty years. It’s a good mix of traditional undergrads and older students. This year I’ve applied game principles to entire classes (mostly gentle negging on girls but I’ll be pretty rough on guys) and am (at age 50+) getting a few IOIs from female students. Not sure how to close these, or if I even want to (the extra income is more important to me right now than potential sex) but it’s encouraging to know that the principles of game can be applied damn near everywhere, with good results.

Reading this post’s talk about Hooker and his impending “doom” was an eery experience for me.

When I was a naive 17 year old, I met a 27 year old beta who then remained my boyfriend for the next 3 years. He was my first boyfriend. His perceived “experience” and the thrill of dating an older guy made up, at the time, for his betaness. However, that thrill only lasted for so long, so I eventually broke up with him. He begged me over and over to stay with him, literally saying “he was doomed” for the rest of this life. This made me so disgusted that any hope he had of staying with me was shot to pieces.

This post hits the nail on the head regarding what my ex meant by being “doomed.” I knew that he loved me intensely, but I never would have understood, at the time, how big a part my youth (and truly, my innocence – I was a sheltered Catholic) played in his devotion to me. This blog has helped me understand the (at the time, undecipherable) words that came out of his mouth.

I chalked his panic up to typical break-up stuff, but now I realize that he may not have been exaggerating much with his “doom” talk. He will never again be as happy as he was with 17 year old me.

I wish Hooker and his girl long-lasting happiness, but I’m not optimistic. I can only hope that Hooker will save himself after the break-up by becoming a “man on a mission” and bed many other young girls. Or, he will end up like my ex – who, instead of having confidence from having snagged a young girl for 3 years, wallowed in misery at the thought that he will never again have it as good. The ex still hasn’t gotten over 17-20 year old me – I received a letter in the mail from him about a year ago begging me to get in contact with him.

Would you have preferred an ex who acted as if you didn’t exist?
Oh wait, that is the spectrum you deal with:
Men who treat you well,
and men who don’t.
Your inability to value the former (and the fact that it doesn’t give you vagina tingles to be with a man who both doesn’t choose to treat your relationship with disrespect and is desirable to other women)
will inevitably lead you to the latter.

But I hesitate to say men who “treat women NOT well” are men who treat women badly,
because
How bad can they be if they get sex and commitment from a woman?

There’s treating a woman well, and then there’s treating her like a parent whose approval you depend on to survive. The latter is not attractive, especially to a younger woman who’s supposed to be looking up to and admiring you.

It isn’t until a woman gets older and has to deal with the realities of aging herself (the good stuff that goes beyond wrinkles) that she can understand the real dread of losing one’s companion. Then she gets in a practical way, part of the day to day point of her being there, and that you would literally suffer more without her.

Being loved is a need. For men, the need for touch is up there with a need for meat or something. You can survive awhile without it, but you won’t be happy.

My beta ex probably would have locked me in for good if he had even shown the least signs of alphaness (of course, I wasn’t calling it “alphaness” back then). I really wouldn’t have required him to be an alpha on the far end of the spectrum (extreme aloofness, lots of asshole game, cheating on me, etc.) He just needed to show me that I was not the center of his life, that he could have lived without me. It was way too much pressure for a young girl to feel – that your man’s well-being depended on you alone.

Here’s a thought that I’m not sure has been touched upon at this blog. There is a huge difference between a beta bf cheating on you and an alpha bf cheating on you. The above beta bf did cheat on me once (as far as I know) – with a girl who he worked with who was stalking him. I can say 100% that the situation was not a turn-on for me, and did not make me unconsciously feel that he was “pre-selected.” I felt disgust and despair regarding the whole thing. If he had been an alpha, I think it would have been different in the sense that this blog describes – I would have been jealous and intrigued, rather than disgusted. I guess the thought here is- that if I was willing to settle for a beta guy who didn’t turn me on in all the ways I truly wanted, I should at least be able to get faithfullness from him. Faithfullness would make up for the qualities in which he was lacking. I think that’s a pretty obvious reason why many women settle for betas.

So I hope beta guys reading this blog don’t wrongly infer from some of the posts that they can go and cheat on their gfs without becoming alpha in a lot of other ways first.

Sounds like you are trying to lock down the beta guys,
telling them
“Stay loyal to me and I PROMISE I will overlook the fact that I settled for you (but point to it in all the myriad ways I disrespect you from questioning who your friends are to your taste in music and the car you drive)”

Maybe the reason you were disgusted is because you thought betas had to accept the hand dealt to them, and you didn’t like the idea of having to compete for his attention. In other words: you expect a beta guy to be like a commodity, once bought he stays bought.

Too bad, more of them are waking up. They are beginning to speak the language of women where they will agree with everything you say (and everything you say will be framed by you for your benefit … an agreement made through coercion, isn’t ethical) … but do what they want in the end.

“if I was willing to settle for a beta guy who didn’t turn me on in all the ways I truly wanted, I should at least be able to get faithfullness from him.”
The fact that he went on to cheat on you,
meant he was settling for you too. Or did that escape your attention?

You’re right that I had the thought – “Stay loyal to me and I PROMISE I will overlook the fact that I settled for you”. Don’t think I ever cared one bit about his friends, music, or car though.

Yes, if I was going to settle for a beta, I did not want to have to compete for his attention. If I was going to have to compete for a guy’s attention, I might as well have went for an alpha. It is a trade-off that has to be made.

I suppose he may have been “settling” for me, but I find the concept of “settling” for a 17 year old odd. That goes against everything that is said on this blog.

Also, if more betas are “waking up” and doing what they want, this goes back to my earlier point. They better get some alpha in them first, if they care at all about keeping their girl’s interest.

A spasmodic increase in self-entitled egotistical women seems to be a recurring theme among decaying civilizations. Normally the fall of one order to the feminist legion of doom could be counteracted by the rise of a new patriarchal order, but with globalization and all that, maybe we’re finally damned for eternity.

That is why I hope the west’s war against Islam FAILS. And it wouldn’t bother me to see China become more powerful than the USA. I cheer every time the stock market goes down, because it means the NGOs will be less wealthy and will have less money with which to corrupt other cultures. Yes, I am disloyal – disloyal to a rotten, corrupt, dying civilization.

You mean the Sandra Fluke who attends Georgetown Law where the tuition – PER SEMESTER – is $23,000. Room and Board are extra. And when she graduates will soon be a 1 per-center. And she wants the govt or ins cos to pay her lousy $3,000 charge for contraceptives, which, if she gets that wish will only make my taxes/premiums go up. You mean that Sandra Fluke ?

You should check out this article about a book that is making all the “mommy” bloggers wet in the panties. What’s it about? “a rich and older man lures an innocent virgin to his lair, showers her with gifts, and literally, literally wants her to be his sex slave”

Older men do go a bit crazy with the younger women. When I was 20 I went out with a man who was a bit older (31) and he would go on about how pure and sweet I was and became a bit too possessive/controlling. He was really insecure about it all.

Only the older men who don’t have any idea they can buy younger companionship. “She’s paid to leave!”
Is that the kind of confidence you are after? The idea that you are replaceable?
Says quite a bit about your self-esteem.

“Wisconsin Bill Claims Single Moms Cause Child Abuse by Not Being Married

In Wisconsin, a state senator has introduced a bill aimed at penalizing single mothers by calling their unmarried status a contributing factor in child abuse and neglect.”

This strikes me as aiming at the effect (single motherhood) rather than the cause (i.e. society’s unshackling of female hypergamy).

“Grothman is also the sponsor of Wisconsin State Bill 202, which would repeal the state’s Equal Pay Enforcement Act. Last year he claimed in an essay that the “Left and the social welfare establishment want children born out of wedlock because they are far more likely to be dependent on the government.”

“it requires yeoman effort, whether through the accumulation of wealth and status or through charm and dominance, for an average-looking older man to persuade an 18-year-old babe to relinquish her sex to him. ”

Actually, it only requires an average of probably about $200 most everywhere in the United States, and 10% of that in many other parts of the world. In any event, now you understand the hell I live in.

It’s actually spergy to think that Dirk was referring necessarily to professional escorts.

Many virgin college students would consider doing something for $200 and, for sure, if a woman would have sex on the first date with an alpha, that same woman would quite often be willing to do something with a beta provider type for $200.

Asperger’s Syndrome is defined as having tunnel vision on social matters and not understanding nuance. Not understanding that sluts can also be whores and that there is, indeed, a correlation, could be cited as an example of having the syndrome.

Besides, the feminists love it when men imply that sluts can’t be bought; that the only way to get a slut is to act alpha and keep your money to yourself. It fits their meme that women aren’t for sale except for the desperate, exploited slaves on the fringe of society.

Marrying or having an LTR with a non-virgin is Beta. You know this to be true. you all lie to yourselves otherwise. Banging another dude’s pussy is pathetic. That’s why teenage virgins rule and are the apex of female appeal. They are wifey.

Why would any man have a compelling interest in marrying a woman another man has fully defiled. Grim reality.

If you get a hot teen virgin and you don’t marry her, you are f-n stupid. You’ll never do any better. Alphas need to know when to settle, take their winnings, and call it a day.

Which is why more men, even the beta ones, are not marrying.
That coincidentally makes them alpha in the eyes of the defiled girls that want them to play lap-dog.
Hence the exponential increase in obtuse shaming language.
They’ll never write “A real man is someone who marries a banged-out single mother who was the prime attraction for the World’s Greatest Gang Bang”.
I wonder why.

If I condemn James Hooker strongly enough, then maybe I can get a date with the girl’s mom or one of the other old hags. I’ll show them that I’m a modern, sensitive guy who is on their side, helping defend innocent women against the depredations of evil men. I’ve been doing this for years but I still haven’t ever gotten laid, so I’ll just have to double down on the obsequiousness and become even more servile, since that is all I know how to do. If I put the ladies on a high enough pedestal I’m sure I will score eventually. So I’m gonna call for that evil old pedophile to be decapitated, yeah!! Send a message!!

PM Cameron in England just signed a EU convention banning wolf whistling in the streets and declaring that British men can be tried in a British court for disrespecting women in other countries if it is not illegal in those other countries?

Does anyone have details on the new developments with International Women’s Day?

Although it has been conclusively proven my multiple studies backed by sound methodology and assumptions, they are persisting with this crap.

How? By redefining inequality. Apparently, it now means that even they are working in completely different jobs, it is possible that women are suffering pay discrimination.

This horseshit needs to be smacked down.

[heartiste: you can’t “win” arguments in the traditional sense with irrational losers who don’t care about rules of decorum and logic. you can only crush them into finely powdered dust through ridicule and satire and wait until they blow away into irrelevance.]