Brian......I'm interested in the differences between the Honda and the Yamaha and how it might influence results. You keep dragging me into a discussion on how Marc is a better rider than Rossi.
I'll have one last try.
Marc can only demonstrate his super human corner entry because the Honda allows him to. Nothing to do with Dani's inability to do the same.
Rossi's built his career on late braking and corner entry skills. The Ducati would not let him use them and in 2013 and 2014 the Yamaha will not bend to his will either.
If they had swapped bikes before 2014 Rossi would now be planning his 11th Title.

Further to my (obviously wrong) belief that the Yamahas caught up a bit with Honda.
I repeat that the Honda bigwig states that the Honda enjoyed better tyre life throughout the year than the Yamahas. The Yamahas wins came in the latter half of the year. Can we agree to disagree on why ?
Rossi's data chief says that all year the Honda could enter corners faster than the Yamahas, the Yamahas had to make up time in the corners which meant that their riders had to open the throttle while still on the edge of the tyre therefore they couldn't exit as fast as the Hondas. Rossi changed his riding style to suit. (which also answer the other posters discussion on why Rossi had less lean angle than everyone else.)
incidently... the Italian's data man says that for 2015 they have to improve the bike as Rossi is already riding better than he ever has.

"You boppers just cant entertain the possibility that someone just might be better than Rossi."
Calling people names because they don't agree with you just makes you come across as a bit of an a"r"e.
Stoner was only better in 2 of his 5 years.
"Marquez would take the Yamaha and wipe the floor with the current competition."
Pure speculation. Marc would lose his late braking corner entry and tyre longevity advantages, nobody knows what difference that would make.

Brian......Why did you leave Misano off of your list ? You insisted that Marc made mistakes allowing Yamaha to look better than they really were. I asked if you meant the two races where Rossi was close to him. I didn't ask if you thought that he fell off because Rossi pressured him.
Rossi has said that at PI he had concentrated on finishing second because he couldn't catch Marc.
Rossi's data chief has said that they got all that they could out of the bike and improvements came from Rossi changing his riding style.
I don't know about Lorenzo, less is written about him.
Aragon doesn't need an answer.....you were having some fun with the question.
You tell me, why did Marc fall off at PI and Misano, at the end of the year after 10 straight wins. The pressure was off.
You tell me why you are not suggesting that Marc only had a good first half because of the Yamaha rider's mistakes, they made quite a few between them.

Brian.....I thought the issues were Honda tyre longevity, and the improved results of Yamaha in the 2nd half of the season.
I apologise...I didn't realise we were addressing who is the better rider out of Marquez and Rossi.
Marc being afraid of Rossi came from you, not me. (I like the sledgehammer analogy though)
Early season Marc 10 wins out of 10 races, late season 3 wins from 8 starts. I say the Yam improved, ( both Rossi & Jorge )...what's your reason ?

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