i know.. sooner or later a PC addict might come and start babbling "we already are playing in such graphics".

all i wanna say is - i want PS4 because of the exclusives games. since PS4 is more powerful than PS3, i want to play GOW in super graphics. i want to play Killzone in super graphics. i want to play other great PS exclusives in super graphics.

if i wanted to play any third party game, i would have upgraded my PC.

No bottlenecks is huge. That would mean that all of the power is accessible. That's a tremendous advantage, if true. With PCs, there is almost always a bottleneck (unless you have an uber-rig). Whether it's RAM speed, CPU, GPU, whatever. If the PS4 is designed so that no individual part limits the others, then the system is wide open for awesome.

Nix. spot on, its been those exclusives that have slowed my pc gaming down. There are no doubtably great games on the pc but im happier with the consoles in most genres. I'm still a huge point and click adventure gamer though. The lucas arts closure was saddening for me even though they'd done nothing for the genre of late. I had to dig up some old games. Sad

"It was a very conscious effort to make sure that – with the speed of the memory, the amount of compute units, the speed of the hard drive – there would not be any bottlenecks...there was just discussion after discussion trying to find a bottleneck. Take a look at this design; try to find the bottleneck."

For now, of course, lets see in a couple of years, at least we all know it's not going to be like the PS3 in the sense of that it'd be able to catch up with anything "new" as in apps and stuff like that...

A good PC will still be easily faster than PS4 on multiplatform games despite there being claims of 'no bottlenecks' from a Sony dev whose goal is also to hype the machine. Would it cost more initially? Probably. Would it be faster? Don't believe anyone who says one wouldn't.

PS4 exclusive games are what matters most.

But it makes me sigh when I hear people say 'I just want Killzone and God of War with more uber graphics'

Really?

Don't you think there should be more innovative and fresher things to hope for than the exact same games we have been playing for ages now just with better visuals?

"No bottlenecks" is not equal to "no performance limitations". It is easy to realize that the PS4 won't be held back by drive performance, memory, CPU, and GPU. It is easy to realize that the entire platform is open to be used to its max specifications.

This doesn't mean it's invincible...just that the available performance is, indeed, available.

Sad truth is that the PS4 is still not doing 60 FPS at 1080p and yes there are games that look the same or better on PC and can do [email protected], how come Killzone is running at 30 FPS? i mean i used to play BFBC2 at 30 FPS it was horrible, they are either lying or terrible developers if they can't make the game run at 60 FPS with those specs.

I know i will get a bazillion of disagree for saying that but is the truth, ill probably end up buying the PS4 but that doesn't avoid the fact the "Next Gen" Consoles can't do [email protected] yet it just wrong especially for a First person shooter.

@KurianOfBorg

Where did you get that info? BF4 trailer was running [email protected] with 2 7990 and that was confirm by AMD and DICE, 3k is a lot to take on, so idk where you are getting this info since BF4 was shown with AMD hardware only and a ridiculous resolution.

-And so it' begins... E3 I think will be were we will get to see just how good PS4 will be..

I think a lot of games that were not ready for the press show - will be showing what they are working on at E3 -

So we should get a really good look at just what the PS4 will be able to do...

I think it's safe to say if your not at E3 with your PS4 game then it's likely your title is not coming out no were near the launch of PS4, -because anything coming out around launch would be far enough along to show something at E3

So E3 this year is probably going to be one hell of a showing... Can't wait.

Consoles will always produce better visuals per transistor, and thanks to consoles, developers can target a static hardware and can optimize their routines to death. So for gaming, instead of sheer power that nobody can use to full extent because of many PC's with gazillion different setups, you have a set piece of hardware that you can extract every ounce.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

Edit: Here's Unity statistics- Take a look at PC's with 4 cores->%23. Rest is dual core (negligible amount with more than 4 cores). Windows XP is still very popular. No Direct X 10 on XP! How about that for holding back technology?

Anybody who blames consoles for holding gaming back is not able to see the picture clearly, that picture tells us how great segmentation the PC hardware setups have.

Gaming would be nothing if it weren't for consoles. Millions more own a console than PC and that itself motivates devs to produce games as they do. If there were no consoles then you wouldn't see half of the great games that you see today. You should be grateful.

"Xbox 360 led the pack, bringing EA $292 million in the past three months. That compared favorably to the PS3 which did $267 million for the firm. But the PC platform actually managed to outperform Sony's console with $276 million."

Number of 4 or more core machines: 42 percent. The fact that the 8 core (tiny tablet cores versus huge desktop cores) in PS4 is no faster than a decent desktop dual core seemingly escapes you.

And as for MariaHelFutura talking about PC gamers being thieves, I shake my head when you see again the number of genuine users on steam who buy and play their games. Don't shove everyone into the same pigeon hole.

Finally "Gaming would be nothing if it weren't for consoles"

This is a joke right?

You do realise that games were first made on computers and personal computers? It was decades after this before anything resembling a dedicated games console arrived.

You do realise that most everything from the USB and Ethernet ports on a modern console, up to the hard drive, the processor technology, the memory, the wireless technologies i.e virtually EVERYTHING inside the machine was developed for PC or PC gamers??? Let alone the internet connected networks (what do you think the PSN or XBL servers are? Consoles? LOL) and protocols, the video streaming codecs the audio codecs and hardware...I could go on and on...lol