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Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Wolfman Jake wrote:Delicon, here's how I reason it out in my own meta continuity between IDW's G1 reboot and the original G1 cartoon/animated movie. Maybe it will help you feel better about IDW Galvatron. So, without further ado:

Consider that in both universes, the D-Void/The Darkness/Dead Universe and Unicron represent the same philosophical idea. Thanatos. Unlife. Death and destruction of the living. Unicron, in the cartoon, was created by some dude for some reason (see: "Call of the Primitives"). Maybe Unicron figures out how to tap into the Dead Universe as a power source? Maybe that's why he feeds so voraciously on planetary life. Instead of explanding the Darkness into the Universe, he's bringing the Universe to the Darkness? Or he's just mega hungry because he's an undead zombie from associating with the Dead Universe? The point is that, perhaps, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge were also ancient Cybertronians in the cartoon who were claimed by the Dead Universe. As Unicron uses Megatron and "the chasises of dead Decepticons" to form a strike force to seize the Matrix of Leadership from the Autobots, he remakes them in the image of Cybertronians he knows from his contact with the void. G1 Cartoon Megatron could be a faximile of the original Galvatron who may have been lost to the void under similar circumstances eons ago. The same goes for Cyclonus and Scourge. If you like, you can take that as an additional reason that G1 cartoon Galvatron is crazy. Merging two different minds might do that to a person (persons?). Also interesting how the Matrix is the bane of both Unicron and the D-Void, huh? Almost like they're the same thing as far as the multiverse is concerned

End of fan babbling.

That was deep, dude. I still don't like IDW Galvy but you at least get a gold star from me for trying!

datguy86 wrote:This is the second TFCC toy named after a vibrator, yes?

Delicon wrote:Truthfully I hate all these stupid little universes, too. When you think about it, we really didn't have that until around R.I.D. came out, although some might argue Beast Machines contradicted too much established stuff to really fit in the G1 universe.

It was well before that. In the very beginning of the brand, when the Marvel comics and the Sunbow cartoon decided to ignore each other.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Delicon wrote:Truthfully I hate all these stupid little universes, too. When you think about it, we really didn't have that until around R.I.D. came out, although some might argue Beast Machines contradicted too much established stuff to really fit in the G1 universe.

It was well before that. In the very beginning of the brand, when the Marvel comics and the Sunbow cartoon decided to ignore each other.

They were at least close enough. All but a few characters were virtually identical (Shockwave, Ratbat) in terms of overall character traits.

datguy86 wrote:This is the second TFCC toy named after a vibrator, yes?

Delicon wrote:That was deep, dude. I still don't like IDW Galvy but you at least get a gold star from me for trying!

Yay! Gold Star!

I noticed after the fact that my wall of text had a LOT of spelling errors. >.< Glad that didn't get in the way of the ideas being presented, though! FYI, I looked up the G1 episode "Call of the Primatives" just to confirm that "some dude's" name was Primacron, and "for some reason" was to rid the universe of life to have a perfect blank slate for experiments. Maybe Primacron build Unicron with the Dead Universe in mind? Anyway, I like how IDW is re-exploring the same themes of the G1 cartoon in very different ways. It just makes the whole 30 years so far that much richer, no matter the continuity.

Delicon wrote:Truthfully I hate all these stupid little universes, too. When you think about it, we really didn't have that until around R.I.D. came out, although some might argue Beast Machines contradicted too much established stuff to really fit in the G1 universe.

It was well before that. In the very beginning of the brand, when the Marvel comics and the Sunbow cartoon decided to ignore each other.

They were at least close enough. All but a few characters were virtually identical (Shockwave, Ratbat) in terms of overall character traits.

Character-wise, yeah, but the plots and events were virtually irreconcilable, so as to require that they be separate universes.

Though, with RiD being a new universe, that was thanks to the English dub. The Japanese version, Car Robots, was still a G1 series before it was brought over to the U.S.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?

Old fasioned games!And new fashioned friends!Come on everybody this is Ta-ble Flip!

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?

Cybertron/ Galaxy Force Optimus Prime had a flight mode, basically you flip out the wings of his super-mode while in "firetruck" mode and you have a flying "firetruck".

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?

Cybertron/ Galaxy Force Optimus Prime had a flight mode, basically you flip out the wings of his super-mode while in "firetruck" mode and you have a flying "firetruck".

That's still just a flying firetruck.

Sabrblade wrote:Optimal Optimus.

After all these years, I still hesitate to call either of Optimal Optimus' vehicle modes anything, though I guess he technically has a jet mode.

Old fasioned games!And new fashioned friends!Come on everybody this is Ta-ble Flip!

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?

Cybertron/ Galaxy Force Optimus Prime had a flight mode, basically you flip out the wings of his super-mode while in "firetruck" mode and you have a flying "firetruck".

That's still just a flying firetruck.

Not even that, it looks nothing like a firetruck, looks more like an armored vehicle to me.

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?

Cybertron/ Galaxy Force Optimus Prime had a flight mode, basically you flip out the wings of his super-mode while in "firetruck" mode and you have a flying "firetruck".

That's still just a flying firetruck.

Not even that, it looks nothing like a firetruck, looks more like an armored vehicle to me.

Powermaster Prime's larger head was to turn into a jet at some point in development. And I'll up that list with the (cartoon-only) Alligatorcon body

Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.

Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?

Cybertron/ Galaxy Force Optimus Prime had a flight mode, basically you flip out the wings of his super-mode while in "firetruck" mode and you have a flying "firetruck".

That's still just a flying firetruck.

Not even that, it looks nothing like a firetruck, looks more like an armored vehicle to me.

Powermaster Prime's larger head was to turn into a jet at some point in development. And I'll up that list with the (cartoon-only) Alligatorcon body

Alligatorcon couldn't transform though, so it doesn't count.

Old fasioned games!And new fashioned friends!Come on everybody this is Ta-ble Flip!

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

I grew up with Beast Wars, I HAVE Optimal Optimus. I'm just saying that calling that mode a "jet" is a stretch, is all. At least the automobile mode looks like something functional (if still VERY strange).

Old fasioned games!And new fashioned friends!Come on everybody this is Ta-ble Flip!

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

I grew up with Beast Wars, I HAVE Optimal Optimus. I'm just saying that calling that mode a "jet" is a stretch, is all. At least the automobile mode looks like something functional (if still VERY strange).

Motto:"For I have dipped my hands in muddied waters, and, withdrawing them, find 'tis better to be a commander than a common man!"

Weapon: Dark Saber Sword

njb902 wrote:

RAcast wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Bottom-left corner: Jet.

I grew up with Beast Wars, I HAVE Optimal Optimus. I'm just saying that calling that mode a "jet" is a stretch, is all. At least the automobile mode looks like something functional (if still VERY strange).

I grew up with Beast Wars, I HAVE Optimal Optimus. I'm just saying that calling that mode a "jet" is a stretch, is all. At least the automobile mode looks like something functional (if still VERY strange).

njb902 wrote:You're right DM. I don't know why I bother to give opinions here, they are always wrong.

Well, admitting it is the first step 902.

I'm just kidding. I do agree with you. Some people do take other user's comments far too seriously. You can't help it if looking at one thing reminds you of something else. That's just how your mind works. That being said, you and I could be doing the very same thing with DeadMetal's comment. Personally, I can see where you're coming from when looking at them from the front.

njb902 wrote:You're right DM. I don't know why I bother to give opinions here, they are always wrong.

Ah don't worry man, I just saw Mindmaster's comment and couldn't resist taking it a step further in that asshole sort of way you'd expect of me. To be honest I didn't even realize towards whom it was directed towards. So don't worry, I don't go after you or anything, there are like 3 to maybe max 5 people on here I don't like and you're not one of them dude

I apologies if my comment made you feel that way.

But yes you're right, your opinions are always wrong, as are the opinions of all with whom I disagree with, because since I'm German I know that no matter what, I am always right - even in the face of hard evidence EVERYONE IS VRONG VRONG!

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