Could somebody explain to me a bit what it's about? I'm not all that familiar with US gun laws...

The law was sold as an "assault weapons" ban. Groups agitating for the ban ran TV commercials showing people blasting away with full-auto weapons, which have been tightly controlled since 1934 - and the actual law affected only semi-auto weapons.

In a nutshell, the actual "AW" law only affected semi-auto rifles with certain features, like bayonet lugs and flash suppressors - leaving untouched other rifles with identical operation, but lacking the "ugly" features. It was sold as an anti-gang, anti-crime measure.

Horseshit.

When was the last time you heard about a gang doing a drive-by bayoneting?

Thing is, rifles of any type are almost never used in crime. When a rep from New Jersey was campaigning for such a law at the state level, he went to the Trenton PD to get a confiscated weapon to use in testimony. Trenton's a pretty high-crime area. They told him, "We've never seen one."

The law also prohibited the manufacture or import of magazines with capacity of over 10 rounds. Again, horseshit. It never touched the enormous supply of magazines already in existence - it would have been flatly impossible, there are millions of them - and, again, except for a very few highly-publicized incidents, they're almost never used in a crime.

Here in the US, we've achieved quite a drop in violent crime rates. We've done it by putting violent criminals in prison and keeping them there. The FBI's Uniform Crime Statistics informs us that, historically, 80%+ of the violent crimes are committed by about 10% of the criminals. Our States are passing "three-strikes and you're out" laws - conviction of three violent felonies gets you life with no parole - and that's taking these assholes off the streets.

Like I said, it was a stupid law. It was like banning red cars to control speeding. It died a well-deserved death.

Ah, so. Indeed, from what I understand most crimes are comitted using handguns and machine pistols, usually 9mm caliber. The kind that's easy to conceal, and quick to use.

Not much sense walking around the street carrying a Kalashnikov on your way to rob a bank, unless you're in Falluja, eh?

I took an Army school with a reservist who, in civilian life, was an LAPD officer. He said he'd love it if the gangs all started carrying AK's. His quote: "I could unholster my 9mm and double-tap three of them in the time it took for them to drag their AK's out of their baggy pants."

Ah, so. Indeed, from what I understand most crimes are comitted using handguns and machine pistols, usually 9mm caliber. The kind that's easy to conceal, and quick to use.

Not much sense walking around the street carrying a Kalashnikov on your way to rob a bank, unless you're in Falluja, eh?

I took an Army school with a reservist who, in civilian life, was an LAPD officer. He said he'd love it if the gangs all started carrying AK's. His quote: "I could unholster my 9mm and double-tap three of them in the time it took for them to drag their AK's out of their baggy pants."

A piece of lead will make you dead 'long as it hits the heart or head.

And that piece of lead don't give a shit whether it just came out of a rifle or a pistol.

Ah, so. Indeed, from what I understand most crimes are comitted using handguns and machine pistols, usually 9mm caliber. The kind that's easy to conceal, and quick to use.

Not much sense walking around the street carrying a Kalashnikov on your way to rob a bank, unless you're in Falluja, eh?

I took an Army school with a reservist who, in civilian life, was an LAPD officer. He said he'd love it if the gangs all started carrying AK's. His quote: "I could unholster my 9mm and double-tap three of them in the time it took for them to drag their AK's out of their baggy pants."

A piece of lead will make you dead 'long as it hits the heart or head.

And that piece of lead don't give a shit whether it just came out of a rifle or a pistol.

I like Col. Cooper's version: "Two in the chest and one in the head, always leaves your target dead."

try that with something like a forty-five, the third bullet misses but thats okay because your target now has a hole big enough for a train in his torso.

mine own carry piece: Kimber pro carry .45 with federal 185 grain hydro-shock hollowpoints, in a inside the belt holster on my right hip, butt of the gun backwards with an extra mag strapped to the other hip, and an NAA guardian in .25 on my ankle. also, an extendable baton in my left pocket.

If you need more than 5 rounds (6 chamber revolver, empty chamber under the hammer), you SERIOUSLY need to hit the range more.

If you're up against more than two targets, your best bet is to use your feet.

Machine pistols - full automatic weapons in general are remarkably STUPID anti-personnel weapons. Unless it's something like an American 180, you're not going to be able to aim more than the first two rounds, and at that point, you're just throwing lead around.

That's what "machine guns" were designed for - throw a lot of lead in a general direction to force soldiers to keep their heads down, so that you could hopefully let the artillery and snipers do the real killing job. Hand-held jobs are generally only useful for 'bursts', or maiming a lot of people in a crowd - as long as you don't care which people, and you're standing in the middle.

I want a Supreme Court that can actually read a dictionary, and starts throwing out all the laws that are contrary to the 2nd Amendment. THEN we'll see crime go up slightly, then drop like a rock.

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Machine pistols - full automatic weapons in general are remarkably STUPID anti-personnel weapons. Unless it's something like an American 180, you're not going to be able to aim more than the first two rounds, and at that point, you're just throwing lead around.

Ah, so. Indeed, from what I understand most crimes are comitted using handguns and machine pistols, usually 9mm caliber. The kind that's easy to conceal, and quick to use.

Not much sense walking around the street carrying a Kalashnikov on your way to rob a bank, unless you're in Falluja, eh?

I took an Army school with a reservist who, in civilian life, was an LAPD officer. He said he'd love it if the gangs all started carrying AK's. His quote: "I could unholster my 9mm and double-tap three of them in the time it took for them to drag their AK's out of their baggy pants."

Machine pistols - full automatic weapons in general are remarkably STUPID anti-personnel weapons. Unless it's something like an American 180, you're not going to be able to aim more than the first two rounds, and at that point, you're just throwing lead around.

Unless you're in a shootout inside a crowded elevator.

I think I'd pay money to watch a video of that.

That's about the same level as a duel with shotguns at 3 paces.

BW

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I'll get a life when it is proven and substantiated to be better than what I am currently experiencing.

Machine pistols - full automatic weapons in general are remarkably STUPID anti-personnel weapons. Unless it's something like an American 180, you're not going to be able to aim more than the first two rounds, and at that point, you're just throwing lead around.

Unless you're in a shootout inside a crowded elevator.

I think I'd pay money to watch a video of that.

That's about the same level as a duel with shotguns at 3 paces.

BW

I've got a pretty spectacular scar on my left leg, put there by a 12-gauge shotgun at about 3 feet. They hit pretty damn hard at that range.

When was the last time you heard about a gang doing a drive-by bayoneting?

Why is this so FUNNY to me? Heeheehee.... :lol:

Because it is? :)

Man, if they only did use bayonnets in gang wars... that would be awesome. :)And I daresay it'd make people think twice about joining gangs... I think seeing someone's guts pour over your shoes is not something people would be eager to repeat. Not to mention having your guts poured over somebody else's shoes.

It had worked perfectly when we got out of the car maybe three minutes earlier - I saw him check before loading. Then, as we walked down a trail through a patch of woods, he tripped, and bang. At least he did have the gun pointed down, or I'd have taken the charge in the back instead of in the leg - and I probably wouldn't be here writing this now.

Ever since then I've carried guns with the chamber empty (or the action open in singles and doubles) until I'm ready to shoot.