I'm assuming you're just referring to 2017 only, in which case I agree.

There have been a couple first round picks in the Sun Belt since we joined the league though. Elfrid Payton was a top 10 pick out of ULL in 2014 and RJ Hunter went in the first round out of GSU in 2015 also.

Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:30 pm

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Re: Game Thread - @ Texas Arlington

And Shawn Long was thought of as a possible 2nd rounder last year. Didn't happen but he did get a non guaranteed rookie free agent deal that didn't pan out.

Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:35 pm

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Story of this game is our lack of talent in the frontcourt in my opinion.

Our lack of offensive production in the frontcourt is obvious in pretty much every game you watch, but we've really been dominated defensively down there the last couple games also. Bilbao went off on us for UTA, despite only being their 4th or 5th best option offensively. Also Griffin Kinney for App had a big game vs. us last Monday.

I think the McCrea injury has been pretty significant for us. McCrea wasn't exactly full of talent, but he was a senior with experience who played hard. King is holding his own, but I just don't think Starwood is ready to play yet. With McCrea being out we're forced to play him, but he just doesn't look like he's adjusted to the college game yet. I fully expect teams to work the ball into the post against us for the rest of the season. It's a glaring weak spot for us.

I'm assuming you're just referring to 2017 only, in which case I agree.

There have been a couple first round picks in the Sun Belt since we joined the league though. Elfrid Payton was a top 10 pick out of ULL in 2014 and RJ Hunter went in the first round out of GSU in 2015 also.

That is correct. Nobody in the 2017 and I'm skeptical about 2018 even though my skepticism is premature.

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Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:54 pm

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If Hervey finishes this year strongly, then comes back next year and has a stellar season he could go 1st round. Lot of ifs there though.

Remember, he tore his ACL just a little over a year ago also. He's stayed healthy this year, but I wonder if he may purposefully be taking some plays off to preserve his health.

He's a freak talent, but I agree that based on what we've seen this year he isn't a first round pick and probably isn't a 2nd round pick at this point either quite honestly.

Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:17 pm

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x wrote:

He's a freak talent, but I agree that based on what we've seen this year he isn't a first round pick and probably isn't a 2nd round pick at this point either quite honestly.

Trust me...he wouldn't go in the 2nd round if he declared. Someone would probably give him a look in the Summer League, but I'm not sure how much burn he would get there. I wouldn't think it would be enough burn to even get him a camp invite from anyone.

Neither Draftexpress nor NBADraft.net have any scouting information on Hervey which is bad news if you are a junior in the NCAA. Draftexpress, in particular, is used by many NBA scouting departments as supplemental material and they have a history of being pretty dead on with high school, college, and European players.

Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:20 pm

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Fran's Last Twinky wrote:

Neither Draftexpress nor NBADraft.net have any scouting information on Hervey which is bad news if you are a junior in the NCAA. Draftexpress, in particular, is used by many NBA scouting departments as supplemental material and they have a history of being pretty dead on with high school, college, and European players.

Quick look at draftexpress shows they have Hervey listed as the 38th best college Junior in the country. That's not good enough to put him in the top 100 though when you consider every prospect in the world.

I think his draft status will improve. I think part of why he is so low as a junior is a result of his ACL injury that stole his season last year, limiting his exposure. I hadn't thought about it, but x makes a good point that he may be strategically trying to maintain his health. If that is the case, I'm less inclined to throw shade his direction. He's gonna need to step up substantially though if he wants to get on the high-round radar.

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Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:56 pm

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x wrote:

Fran's Last Twinky wrote:

Neither Draftexpress nor NBADraft.net have any scouting information on Hervey which is bad news if you are a junior in the NCAA. Draftexpress, in particular, is used by many NBA scouting departments as supplemental material and they have a history of being pretty dead on with high school, college, and European players.

Quick look at draftexpress shows they have Hervey listed as the 38th best college Junior in the country. That's not good enough to put him in the top 100 though when you consider every prospect in the world.

Exactly. And notice that they don't even have a scouting report on him. That's is bad news for Mr. Hervey.

Sorry I didn't clarify. He does have a page on each site, but no scouting report on either is not good at all...ESPECIALLY as a junior.

Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:17 pm

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x wrote:

If Hervey finishes this year strongly, then comes back next year and has a stellar season he could go 1st round. Lot of ifs there though.

Remember, he tore his ACL just a little over a year ago also. He's stayed healthy this year, but I wonder if he may purposefully be taking some plays off to preserve his health.

He's a freak talent, but I agree that based on what we've seen this year he isn't a first round pick and probably isn't a 2nd round pick at this point either quite honestly.

Didn't think about that, probably on to something there. It baffled me that he dropped 25 on us when we played at home and seemed to be only playing 30-40% of the time. At this point, I agree he wouldn't even be a 2nd rounder. Next year, the sky would be the limit for him.

Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:50 pm

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Hervey styled on us sure, but the gates really got opened because of that giant Bilbao

Yep, he stepped up big time.

Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:51 pm

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bleed gold wrote:

I think his draft status will improve. I think part of why he is so low as a junior is a result of his ACL injury that stole his season last year, limiting his exposure. I hadn't thought about it, but x makes a good point that he may be strategically trying to maintain his health. If that is the case, I'm less inclined to throw shade his direction. He's gonna need to step up substantially though if he wants to get on the high-round radar.

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