That human blood was not from Mary though was it, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.But making silly comments about snakes and monkeys doesn't help people understand your points wincam.

You may be annoyed or offended winam, but the best way to silence me is to prove your points from scripture.

on that first Christmas day I am sure Mary did not think 'hey what's this but 'flesh of my flesh,blood of my blood,bone of my bone dna of my dna by which we are redeemed - wincam

on that first Christmas day I am sure Mary did not think 'hey what's this but 'flesh of my flesh,blood of my blood,bone of my bone dna of my dna by which we are redeemed - wincam

This makes no sense whatsoever wincam.Please try and explain what you are getting at without resorting to silliness.

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Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love. (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

You are completely ignoring the point Tes, as indicated by the title, "Co Redemptrix"Taking wincam's words in the given context of the title is not "correct" as you put it, but hugely incorrect.

It is in fact a doctrine of demons that has deceived the church for centuries.

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Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love. (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

HiNot knowing what the word Co-Redemptrix meant I did a quick google and I am still none the wiser it seams to be saying that Mary can have something to do with our salvation which of course gose against scripture.I do have a poor memory but I cant think of any scriptures that could possibly support this Is there anyone in the scriptures who teach this.I believe praying to Mary or the saints is a waste of time when we have direct access to the father through Christ.

I have said before and say again anything that comes after Reverlations should be viewed with extream caution that includes Co-Redemptrix veneration of the saints and the Trinity and anything else that dose not have a solid base ( the Rock ) in scripture.

HiNot knowing what the word Co-Redemptrix meant I did a quick google and I am still none the wiser it seams to be saying that Mary can have something to do with our salvation which of course gose against scripture.

Hi Dave, I hope the following definition taken from an online dictionary clarifies it.

To redeem,-1. To recover ownership of by paying a specified sum.2. To pay off (a promissory note, for example).3. To turn in (coupons, for example) and receive something in exchange.

Thus to redeem something, means that you have to pay the price. And the person who pays that price is called the redeemer. Redeemer is not a religious word, but an ordinary English word used in commerce etc. You will often find it in the small print on the bottom of coupons or tickets.

The word "redemptrix" is just the feminine version of "redeemer".

So because Jesus paid for our freedom with his blood, he is called our redeemer.

To call Mary a Co-Redemptrix implies that she equally paid the price for our freedom alongside Jesus. That of course is a "doctrine of demons" invented by the Catholic church to elevate the importance of Mary worship.

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Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love. (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Hi Dave, I hope the following definition taken from an online dictionary clarifies it.

To redeem,-1. To recover ownership of by paying a specified sum.2. To pay off (a promissory note, for example).3. To turn in (coupons, for example) and receive something in exchange.

Thus to redeem something, means that you have to pay the price. And the person who pays that price is called the redeemer. Redeemer is not a religious word, but an ordinary English word used in commerce etc. You will often find it in the small print on the bottom of coupons or tickets.

The word "redemptrix" is just the feminine version of "redeemer".

So because Jesus paid for our freedom with his blood, he is called our redeemer.

To call Mary a Co-Redemptrix implies that she equally paid the price for our freedom alongside Jesus. That of course is a "doctrine of demons" invented by the Catholic church to elevate the importance of Mary worship.