I don't think there's a tactful way of informing someone that you've stumbled upon their stash of body parts.

What the fuck are you freaked out about? Apparently, my second horrible thought of Wednesday night was right, and this sort of shit is apparently normal and healthy.

i doubt its normal and its probably not healthy but it is certianly interesting, beats the hell out of the garden variety every day freak show that you can see coming from a mile and whose actions and there outcomes you can predict with ease

But what you all seem to keep ignoring is what I keep bringing up. The ills you listed can be addressed in policy reforms without legalizing the substance.

as for "it wont happen!!!" and "it will happen with policy reform !!!" WHY both are going to be done by the same incompetent government at the direction of the same apathetic citizens why does "one works" and the other "wont happen"???

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That's what grassroots movements are for. It's worked here in Maine. I'm part of a pretty powerful advocacy group that has managed to be able to work quite well with state government to influence policy decisions. Hell, the chair in her former position has even been able to sway Susan Collins on a vote on nuclear proliferation.

so if legalization happened then grass roots movements to secure funding for the kids, and legislation that prohibits advertising and promotion of use, and legislation that ensures harsh penalty's to those that deal to minors could happen? and if they could wouldn't they counteract the increases in use that you fear? ( i think the connection between drug laws and use rates is still up for debate) i don't see there being any more difficulty in doing what is needed with pot being legal, than there are with the challenges you face getting policy reform, society isn't going to magically be perfect i wont argue that there wouldn't be challenges i just don't see them as necessarily being any bigger than the ones you face now

But what you all seem to keep ignoring is what I keep bringing up. The ills you listed can be addressed in policy reforms without legalizing the substance.

as for "it wont happen!!!" and "it will happen with policy reform !!!" WHY both are going to be done by the same incompetent government at the direction of the same apathetic citizens why does "one works" and the other "wont happen"???

Is whether or not you can use marijuana legally THAT important? And do you really think rights around marijuana use are going to upset the house of cards of democracy? I would suggest that if our democracy is THAT fragile, that it relies upon recreational drug use, our democracy perhaps deserves to fail so we can set up something a bit more resilient and robust.

its not just about the right to smoke, you focus on the harm to x number of kids but don't weigh the harm to society and individuals (many of whom are also kids) that the war itself costs, and the concern that liberty's given up inevitably lead to more liberty's being given up is legitimate and should also be weighed against the harm you think prohibition prevents, the patriot act we lost some rights to privacy (wire taping) should we allow the government to listen in to peoples conversations and emails to catch pot dealers? it would protect the kids.... and that trumps liberty ...

calling atheism a "belief" or a "belief no different than a religions belief" is mostly just a fun way to screw with certain types of loudmouth asshole atheists, most sensible atheists admit agnosticism, the fun to mess with ones adamantly believe there is no god

it wouldn't surprise me if at some point in his career he had professional pics taken, went to a image consultant to find out which smile was the best for his career, then practiced in front of a mirror till he could hit it every time....

i haven't challenged RWHN's professionalism at his job or the importance of the work he does or done any of the things that have pissed him off in this discussion so far and he is free to call me on it if i do..

i am just taking the prohibition logic and applying it to cars the same way it is applied to drugs to make a point....

yes it would be, by prohibition logic we should ban adults from driving because some fourteen year old might steal his dads car, his dad just parks it in the driveway and isn't capable of controlling his own children, isn't smart enough or a good enough parent to hid the keys or teach his kid how dangerous it is to drive a car with a undeveloped brain and motor-skills, so its the governments job to step in drivers licenses and laws legislating the rules of the road are not enough to protect children, and if even only a few more kids steal cars and drive than would if it were legal for adults to drive... it is to many... so cars should be outlawed... do it for the children.

yes like i said "totally not sure".... they do own you, so you do what you are ordered to do, the possibility of being given a new career on the fly does exist... i think they wouldn't want to do that to often, it would screw up logistics pretty bad, you would have to ask someone in the guard to find out if its common or not