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Monday, December 14, 2009

Telangana XIII: Let’s stay United!

You know what. I have changed my mind.Let’s stay united.Let’s not split the state.

I am ready to abandon the Telangana cause that I have been a supporter of for nearly 20 years.When I was in my teenage years I began to ask questions and wonder why things are the way they are, I started to unravel the Telangana issue and in the last twenty years, the more I came to understand my region and the politics behind it, the more I became an ardent supporter of Telangana Movement.

Unlike what most commenters assume, my support for Telangana is not a product of brainwashing by the politicians.My stand on Telangana is NOT solely based in support for smaller states for better administration, or based in carving out region along the lines of backwardness, or along the lines of making states on every ethnicity and identity.

My support for Telangana is a product of failure of Indian democracy that has a weakness to marginalize and discriminate certain region clearly along the partisan lines that have roots in cultural, historical and geographical identities.Telangana should have got a chance on its own in new India without being clubbed with a richer, far more literate, and far less feudal, far more irrigated brother in Andhra State.It should have got a chance to prove for itself how it is going to grow up.

A fledgling region that was born out of Nizam State with no history of democratic institutions of British, with no pedigree in advanced school and education system, with no reforms in feudal system, carrying heavy burdens of bonded labor and steep zamindari system, was combined with a far mature region that had experienced the British System for more nearly 200 years where democratic institutions flourished, education system was mature, and feudal system rooted out, and irrigation system well implemented.

It was a sad marriage of unequals from the beginning.It should not have taken place but it did.

Now, my friends of Andhra ask us not to move out of this 50-year marriage.They ask to stay united.They say we can work out things.They implore us to pressurize our fasting leaders to fast for development of the state, not for petty and parochial sentiments to divide the state.They tell us to mature up, stay united, work for development and not division of the state.

I am ready to do that.I am ready to abandon my long standing cause to work things out since my Andhra brothers are so keen on making this marriage work.

Since we have had an experience of being betrayed in the past, we have many worries that the promises won’t be kept.So, how about I propose this to my Andhra brothers?

There may be more than 30 contentious issues on the table of Telangana cause.We may not be able to address all of them now.Therefore, I will be reasonable and ask you to take up only 3 issues.I just picked up any 3 from the top of my head.Since we were not able to push through these issues because of partisan politics where the Andhra-Rayalaseema majority ensured these never got implemented, we seek your support to impress upon your politicians to pass these – because without the support of Andhra politicians, even if all the Telangana politicians vote for it, they won’t pass them in the Assembly which looks for a majority.

Here are three issues that Andhra politicians should go ahead and implement.

Pass GO 610 which has been pending since 1985 right away and implement its recommendations within the next 2 years.

Pass the resolutions for constructing a canal from Nagarjuna Sagar dam to Telangana and complete it within the next 5 years.

Recreate the Regional Committee along the lines suggested in ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ such that all major decisions related to Telangana can be taken up in spite of an overwhelming majority of other regions opposing them.This should be inexistence for the next 20 years.

I am not being unreasonable here.All the above points were agreed upon by Andhra politicians in the past.Even if we were to coerce all our Telangana MLAs to get these done, they do not hold the majority to pass these through.Therefore, we need the help of some of your politicians to get these passed.Currently, there are 123 MLAs of Telangana and we need at least another 25 MLAs of Andhra-Rayalaseema to vote in our favor.Please coerce your politicians to support these causes of Telangana people so that we can continue to stay united.

Think of this a test.We have had too many bounced checks. We want to try out if the check will clear this time.If you can make this work, we are going to completely stop all movements towards creating a separate state.We will start believing that you are indeed going to honor your commitments towards your Telangana brothers.Isn’t that a good start to rectifying our marriage?

70 comments:

Sujai, Answers would be always yes and we are all used to this kind of promises before. So the question comes up what would happen if there is a new wave of immigrant flow like that happened after 1969 struggle. Already hyderabad has 40% of settler population. Turn of the next decade that would grow to 70% because as you can see telangana settlers in hyd have little to earn livelihood in andhra dominated businesses. As it always happens when considerable majority is reached the cause of telangana development would be trashed. I do not have any optimistic feelings regarding the proposal. It is now or never thats it. You shoold also remember that the majority of those who had been supporting a unified state are not saying that because they want to see all the telugu people under one hood. They just need a good reason that is altruistic and ideological to convince telangana people. Actually deep inside every one is afraid of loosing their opportunity of settling in hyderabad like their predcessors did.

Things that we need to ensure happen for the uplift of Telengana with out separation.

· Create a new Administration Division for Telengana’s prosperity to understand the problems and issues in detail and work towards eliminating them.· Have 3 deputy CM’s for each of Rayalaseema, Telengana and Costal so that there is more focus on each of the regions thru them.· Pass GO 610, which was proposed in 1985 but never implemented. Adhere to the ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ GO36· Constructing canals to Telengana ASAP from diff dams as per old proposals which where never started.· Build more schools so that illiteracy is eradicated. Parents who do not send kids to school should be counseled.· Regionalism, Religionist feelings and Racism should be banned in the entire country, which causes a lot of divisions between the citizens, and offenders should be punished severely. These are the root cause of a lot of discomfort.These would help have a win-win situation and help have a prosperous united A.P.

Telangana should be created asap. The administrative units should in close proximity of the citizens. The other regions should also have their own capitals that are close to their citizens.

The others are worrying only about the loss of hyderabad. Naturally they cant care of about in any other place. Each one for himself..is the best way to enlightenment and development: thats the way it works in reality

Agree with Sravan..re the fear of losing Hyderabad. Thats what Anon is also saying.

The others should be convinced that their Hyderabad investments will always be safe in all forms that the Andhra's will continue to be well treated as friends even after Telangana is created. Today every CM goes all over India and the world to get investments. So money and business are welcome in Telangana as they are anywhere.

In fact the businessmen of Andhra will now have two places to call home and make money ..Hyderabad and their own new capital.

So please do not confuse local aspirations, administration and the worry about losing money or business.

Mr. BlueshiftDont you guys see that is what we are fighting for, equality in education,resources, infrastructure and jobs. Separate telangana is the only solution for all these and this is the best way. Better ways no one believes. Good ways failed already. So telangana people are going for the best way. If you think there are any better than best solutions please provide me.

Mr. BlueshiftDont you guys see that is what we are fighting for, equality in education,resources, infrastructure and jobs. Separate telangana is the only solution for all these and this is the best way. Better ways no one believes. Good ways failed already. So telangana people are going for the best way. If you think there are any better than best solutions please provide me.

Wow, I was reading this in total amazement and bewilderment. I wish the leaders are as sensible as you are.

I agree with the grievances of Telangana you mentioned in blog post. It is also true that there is broad based support for Telangana cause in those districts. It is evident from fact that not one MLA/ MP from that area can speak against Telangana.

For ordinary Andhra and Seema ppl, everything was chugging along until the night of Chidambaram's announcement. They were oblivious to problems of the people of Telangana, but hey they have their families and their problems to take care of. With one statement, he broke the heart of all the people of AP. Also, the way it was made did not help. It meant like he is in agreement with all the dirty allegations KCR made all along. If there was a thorough study, and made a case explaining how that would benefit both the people, that would have gained some currency with the populace.

I am ok for separate Telangana if a second SRC is initiated, a proper study is conducted and if it shows that it will help for the betterment of people of AP.

I wouldn't be surprised if these same cliched concerns over making a separate state are also raised regarding kashmir, NE states or for that matter even when the former soviet union was split. The concerns are always the same. Fear-mongering is simply appeal to emotions. The fact is any collectivity of people with a sense of a common identity will find ways to survive and thrive, regardless of the challenge in it as long as they are allowed to have their basic diginity and allowed to decide for themselves.

Even though i did not agree to each and every argument that you have brought up on your blog posts about Telangana, even though I was previously (b4 reading this blog) a supporter of "Samaikhya Andhra", I am now convinced that a separate Telangana is needed after reading all ur posts. But yet again, I am opposing ur view here (though ur change of stand may be a sarcastic one) :D. I also think that Telangana (Hyd included) id required.

Yes, some there was a hint of sarcasm in my blog. I wanted my Andhra brothers to realize that it is not so easy as they think - to stay united. However, some of them didn't get it.

Most people who congratulated me on this blog are genuinely believing their own Andhra politicians are somehow benevolent compared to Telangana politicans.

The last sixty years has suggested that both of them equally corrupt and equally wile.

We want to hold our politicians accountable - and that can happen only when they have no other excuse in the new state.

Having said that, I am ready to stick to my promise of giving up Telangana cause if indeed these 3 things are actually taken up. But the way things are taking shape there is a remote possibility for that.

If the Andhra politicians had really wanted to hold the state together and work towards development of Telangana, they would have allowed implemented the things I asked in the above blog long ago.

That never happened. And anyone who has studied our history would tell you that it would never happen in an united state.

wonderful bro lets unite our state and enlighten telangana people. We should be like brothers my grand parents from Andhra and my parents have shifted to telangana 30 years back i dont want my families to fight no selfish politicians like kcr and other racist people can divide my family change andhra pradesh to telangandhra!!! TA should be the registeration Andhra people start funding telangana people jai telangana jai andhra jai seema kill hatred and teach these selfish politicians a lesson!!

Let us build the case for better development of all regions through better governance:

1) Empowering muncipal govts, panchayats and district govts. People will have some say how part of their taxes will be spent. Not CM or PM.2) Strong Anti-corruption laws need to be implemented. MLAs should come under purview of these laws. If anyone found guilty, his property should be seized.3) Create more urban towns around the state not just one city (State Capital).

I think telangana can be a seperate state as long as people of rest of AP are getting a pie of development of Hyderabad. Telangana toms cannot grab the entire pie. It is unfair and the reason may be anything. All political leaders must have encouraged similarities among us. But KCR comments on telugu talli itself is an indication of this problem.

"equality in education,resources, infrastructure"

Will seperate telangana provide you above? There are many states in India which are much worse than what is telangana now.

I think telanganites have a better chances at development if they remained united. Imagine what happens when andhra peoples capital is dried up and Central government is less intrested in Telangana after telangana loosing its leverage interms of number of MP's. Can they demand IIT in their state ??? Its just impossible.

Hi,Your demands looks reasonable. one question from myside. If you get telangana and some debt to get hyderabad or losing hyderabad, then tell me whether you will get only second issue corrected leaving the other???

I dont understand how telangana didnt get justice in terms of education. For your information I am from chittoor. In my b-tech counseling you know the best colleges for our local quota...First SVU and then mohanbabu which came on 95+. Can you please answer about telangana local preferences.

Then about water I had some doubts regarding these. Is there any water projects constructed in coastal and rayalaseema till 90? From my understanding till 90's we didnt have sufficient money to construct any such majoor water projects and that to telangana. From 90's we started getting loan from world bank which Chandrababu naidu invested almost all in hyderabad. For which entire andhra pradesh is paying tax not telangana people as a case of injustice.

From that investment Hyderabad started getting revenue and by selling lands there YSR started implementing the current projects along with lots of subsidies.

Suppose if you get telangana then realestate boom in hyd comes down sorry bubble bursts leaving govt to loose that oppurtunity also. From andhra perspective i am not seeing any difference as the real estate boom will increase there but for telangana can you please tell me the source of money.

From my MBA and Macro economic knowledge if you want to implement these projects on your own I think you have to pay 150% more than andhra people i.e if a soap is available at 10Rs in andhra then telangana has to pay 15Rs. Rice who told current prices are high just wait and see for 2years after telangana formation. no wonder if it touches Rs.80

For the sake of politicians dont do any thing. just ask back the above mentioned ones? Just correct if any mistakes are there?

1. Irrigation minister is from Telangana... what is stopping him from doing his duties?2. As several people said, most of the projects/loans since 1990s have been invested in Telangana and around Hyd. Telangana politicians are responsible for completing them cutting across party lines.3. why are you depending on handouts and resevration-type system. Put pressure on ur local MLA, MP to complete projects, schools etc.

New state with same politics is like old wine in a new bottle. What you probably want is new wine that will work its way through. What you have suggested is a good first step. Let both groups pull back from brink, prepare for discussion on agenda for Telangana AND all under developed regions of the state and then devise a time bound package to resolve issues.

Sujai,Why did u change ur mind!!! Is it by looking at the violence of samaykyandhra movement? It is a planned sponsered agitation. It is planned and sponsored by Andhra politicians. The reason for doing this is simple. They bought lands in Hyd whose demand will go down with the formation of seperate Telangana.If someone can satisfy me why we should be together I would also change my mind!!

Sujai, If we change our mind now, Can we getback the lives of those 370&50 people who sacrificed their lives.

If it is a sad marriage between two unequals and one partner always want to get away from the relation how can someone make them live together?? I dont think even Fevicol can also bind us now. We tried our best to be together.No more struggling..Lets get seperated.

What they are losing by seperation of Telangana? They can ask support from Central Govt. we can alsp share Hyderabad for certain time frame as a combined capital city.

Apart from telling that lets be united explain why we should be united!!

Formation of seperate state will not divide anybodys family or disturb anybodys business. Its only Administration division. You dont require visa to enter Telangana!!! We want to get seperated from cheating land grobbing Andhra Politicians

Whilst your core requriements will be met, i think additional measures can be taken to improve situaion in T.I think Telengana issue should be used as a catalyst for further reform than what you propose.

I think your demands needs to include1) devolve state power for basic services to each district/city to reduce corruption for basic services like electricity, health and education. This won't fully eliminate corruption but will cut the food chain in half - ie read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Andhra_Pradesh bottom about one Contractors experience with Andra corruption. see Andhra economy wikipedia page for one guys viewpoint on this.

This is required for all of AP not just T. This is being trialed in various states in india with some sucess. Check the economist website for more details.

2) Reduce the number of secretariat staff. Iam a bit shocked about how many there are in Hyd. These need to be converted into useful local staff roles or pay local staff more.

3) We need a better civil disaster management agencies and disaster insurance schemes. This should include on the ground and ready AP Civil Emergency helicopters, AP Civil Emergency boats and vehicles along the lines of US or other western emergency management agencies. This is to deal with the flooding disaster rayalseema (and future disasters in AP) instead of looking like inept telugu idiots.

This investment is crucial to limit GDP growth impacts from severe issues from cyclones, ocean rescue, water rescue.

4) Include more and better education. Currently the key to improving lives is education. One of the big things UPA goverment is pushing education in a big way. When i say big I saw something on tv5 saying Andhra needs to hire 34,000 teachers..we are unable to spend the money..someone should check this.

I don't know if you've followed the developments in the European Union lately. With the passage of the Lisbon treaty Europe is now a quasi-state. In relation to that, did you get to hear the opening comment of Nigel Farrage in the European parliament? It was a telling criticism of the way in which the Europe has been cheated to come together and the way in which politicians are undemocratically nominated to the European Parliament.

What is the relevance of all that to Telangana? Many Indians like to think that India is like a European Union. These Indians would be well advised to listen to Nigel Farrage's speech and interview with the King World News broadcast.

Indians lack the maturity to think beyond the idea of a nation state. They are stuck in the Nehru-Indira Gandhi educational propaganda of the 60s-80s and cannot imagine independent states cooperating with each other instead of an Indian Union. These pious homilies about Indian civilization going down if independence is given to separatist movements are getting very tiring.

Q) Are MLA Resignations in rest of Andhra a political gimmick? A) After the announcement, all hell broke lose and people are out on streets. Nothing like this happened when UP, MP and Bihar were divided. More than 120 MLAs irrespective of political party resigned as a consequence.

Q) Are people of Andhra n Seema singing 'samaikyavadam' song only for Hyderabad? A) I cant speak for all, but this is what I feel. Ours is a functioning state and is going great strides (relatively atleast). While Telangana area started behind, it is fast catching up and the gap is narrowing. Why break up when things are improving. That is the first reaction. But when forced to separate, Hyderabad is biggest roadblock primarily because it is the economic engine of state. It is so sad and funny at the same time to say that Andhra are against separation to rule over T people! Q) Should we be worried about Hyderabad? A) Definitely. Not at all because people of Telangana will do a screw job in maintaining the city status. But, with so much bad blood, it will take lot of time for things to calm down and I am worried it will take the city behind by years and sully its international reputation.

Q) Did media give undue importance and coverage to KCR and TRS? A) Yes, and for a good reason. They are the biggest beneficiaries of this whole charade. Peoples life came to a standstill, the state is burning but their cash registers are ringing.

Q) Have AP politicians cheated us? A) That was an easy one! ALL the political parties cheated the people of AP. They all know that a good number of people in Telangana are ardent supporters of separation. Everyone wanted to milk the T sentiment cow. They sold their souls for the extra votes and power. But now, when the moment of truth came, they are all in big soup, trying to extricate themselves with least damage. They cheated the people of Telangana and Andhra alike.

Q) Are 3.5 crore people of Telangana looking for separate state? A) No. Separation has very little currency in Hyd and Khammam which exceed 1 crore population. Even in the remaining areas, lot of educated people root for status quo. Loud mouthed pro Telangana politicians are forcing this down the throat of all the people.

Q) Did the high command screw up? A) Big time! I dont even have enough words for those mofos. They handled a potential explosive situation with utmost insensitivity and now the whole state is burning. They succumbed to this marginalized political lightweight, who is nothing but power monger. People should never have been involved in this and KCR should have been nipped in the bud.Finally, if separation had to happen, if it was done with political consensus corroborated by extensive analysis, with out bringing public into this muck, trust me, things would have been much saner.

Remember this about Andhra slumbags: when Madras state was split into two states, Telugus demanded Chennai to be part of Andhra state. Even Justice Sankaran Nair recommended to the center that madras belonged to telugus. However, telugus didn't get madras.

That's "Madras manade" movement.

"In 1953, Telugu speakers of Madras Presidency wanted Madras as the capital of Andhra state including the famous slogan Madras Manade (Madras is ours) before Tirupati was included in AP. Madras, at that time was an indivisible mixture of Tamil and Telugu cultures. It was difficult to determine who should possess it. Panagal Raja, Chief Minister of the Madras Presidency in the early 1920s said that the Cooum River should be kept as a boundary, giving the northern portion to the Andhras and the southern portion to the Tamils. In 1928, Sir C. Sankaran Nair sent a report to the Central Council discussing why Madras does not belong to the Tamils. Although historically and geographically it is a part of the Andhra region, the greater political dominance of the Tamils in 1953 at both Central and State level politics caused Madras to remain in the Tamil region."

Andhra politicians dont have any power over chennai beuracracy now. Since many seemandhra political dirtbags have business interests in Hyderabad, they are afraid of loosing this status-quo. Thats why they are inflaming public in Seemandhra.

Manohar:1st question: After the announcement, all hell broke lose and people are out on streets. Nothing like this happened when UP, MP and Bihar were divided. More than 120 MLAs irrespective of political party resigned as a consequence:

Why should people from andhra seema come out on streets? what is the intention? why do u want samiykyandhra?Substantiate with reason behind samyikyandhra

2nd question: U agreed that Telangna is backward.so we want Our own state.

one simple question : if ur wife want to get divorce from u what wil u do? court wil give divorce for both of u with sharing the kids.

so its the same here. dont try to susbstantiate with meaningless explnations

just let us know why we want samiykyandhra.

media importnace kcr trs everything is bullshit..

ofcourse they cheated us by nt following gentle mans agreement 610G.O..

yes 70-80% of telangana people want telangana.

Its all party meeting made UPA to take a decision. so its nt highcommand or someone screwed it.

its YSR,CBN who screwed up lives of Telanagana people.

T-people are fighting for 60 years.

if not hyderabad u have vizag, vijayawada, thirupathi, so many cities. so u wont lose anything..u can share Hyderabada with us til u get infrastructure.

Manohar, Nothing new that you have presented here. This kind of argument has always been presented by one or the other to howler against separate telangana whenever some one voiced the cause of telangana. If this is true there would have never been any separate telangana stance at all.Remember that wicked politicians only try to capitalize on the needs, necessities and wants of people. If majority do not need or want it then no one would be ready to buy risk and raise separate telangana issue. I see a kind of double standards in your presentation. Just look at these Q&A you put forward and look at your explanations about Andhra people and telangana people's behaviour in different perspective. They are certainly biased. When Telangana people revolt it is because politicians are forcing it through their throat. Whereas it is otherway around in andhra.Q) Are MLA Resignations in rest of Andhra a political gimmick?A) After the announcement, all hell broke lose and people are out on streets. Nothing like this happened when UP, MP and Bihar were divided. More than 120 MLAs irrespective of political party resigned as a consequence.Q) Are 3.5 crore people of Telangana looking for separate state? A) No. Separation has very little currency in Hyd and Khammam which exceed 1 crore population. Even in the remaining areas, lot of educated people root for status quo. Loud mouthed pro Telangana politicians are forcing this down the throat of all the people.DO not try to convince by saying that you are really wishing development of telangana. Please atleast try to be honest when you put up your argument.

ManoharI see a kind of double standards in your presentation.Just look at these Q&A you put forward and look at your explanations about Andhra people and telangana people's behaviour in different perspective. They are certainly biased. When Telangana people revolt it is because politicians are forcing it through their throat. Whereas it is otherway around in andhra.Q) Are MLA Resignations in rest of Andhra a political gimmick?A) After the announcement, all hell broke lose and people are out on streets. Nothing like this happened when UP, MP and Bihar were divided. More than 120 MLAs irrespective of political party resigned as a consequence.Q) Are 3.5 crore people of Telangana looking for separate state?A) No. Separation has very little currency in Hyd and Khammam which exceed 1 crore population. Even in the remaining areas, lot of educated people root for status quo. Loud mouthed pro Telangana politicians are forcing this down the throat of all the people.

DO not try to convince by saying that you are really wishing development of telangana. Please atleast try to be honest when you put up your argument.

TO Aravind Murarishetty you said "1. Irrigation minister is from Telangana... what is stopping him from doing his duties?2. As several people said, most of the projects/loans since 1990s have been invested in Telangana and around Hyd. Telangana politicians are responsible for completing them cutting across party lines.3. why are you depending on handouts and resevration-type system. Put pressure on ur local MLA, MP to complete projects, schools etc."This is what exactly we need, "to control our politicians". In telangana most people vote by political party and not by the persons caste, religion or not even the educational background or the persons nature. We need political parties who would stand up for the benefits of our region. About irrigation minister in telangana I know his constituency very much. Most of them are strong congress supporters(old congress gandhi sentiments)and atleast he is very well educated and from a backward class. How much power do you think such a person can exercise in party circles if he is from a backward class and from backward region even though he is an irrigation minister? None.What happened when the Home mInister S. Reddy requested the DCP not to arrest TRS people when they went to console OU students? Who listened to her? the DCP very much knew which group has the upper hand in the government.

To anonymous who said Let us build the case for better development of all regions through better governance:

1) Empowering muncipal govts, panchayats and district govts. People will have some say how part of their taxes will be spent. Not CM or PM.2) Strong Anti-corruption laws need to be implemented. MLAs should come under purview of these laws. If anyone found guilty, his property should be seized.3) Create more urban towns around the state not just one city (State Capital). I strongly agree with you... but

These are the things that should be implemented all through out india.. nay all through out the world. We could later name it utopia.Let's just focus on telangana.

I am sorry to anonymous if I sounded blatantly sarcastic when I said "let us name it utopia"But please forgive me because I only wanted to say that even though these are really good directives to bring about development, they have no place here to discuss which is purely based on whether separate telangana is good for its own people or not?

@ Manohar Q) Are MLA Resignations in rest of Andhra a political gimmick?A) After the announcement, all hell broke lose and people are out on streets. Nothing like this happened when UP, MP and Bihar were divided. More than 120 MLAs irrespective of political party resigned as a consequence.

Manohar.. do you even read your question? Might I suggest a basic course in literacy?

Imagine what happens when andhra peoples capital is dried up and Central government is less intrested in Telangana after telangana loosing its leverage interms of number of MP's.

So, you are saying that Telangana is so poor that all the people of Andhra are spending all their capital in Telangana? and also the MPs are getting funds for Telangana.

Now, if the above were true (assuming, just for the sake of argument), you are making a strong case for a separate Andhra. Andhra would be better off spending their capital on their own development and getting funds from center as well.

The only reason Andhra would want to stay with Telangana is is the converse is true.

Can they demand IIT in their state ??? Its just impossible.All the IITs in India amount to a naught. They enroll a total of what -- 3000 students in all of India? Thanks but no thanks. Have it moved to Andhra. Ask your politicians to get an IIT at Aavulu Naakina Palem or whereever your new capital is.

How about keep the option of separate telangana open for 3 years from now and implement all the things which were agreed in Gentlemens agreement, 600TMC water to Telangana region. If the Andhra brothers accept and will complete them in next 3 years we will stay united..otherwise we would like to be separated..Are you ready my dear betraying Andhra brothers

It does not matter whether we stay united or divided as long as it is the same sect of people who are going to rule us. See what has happened to smaller states that exist on north-east. Look at smaller states in North like HP. Sametime look at south states like Kerala etc. Therefore I dont think geographical boundaries should be the issue of contention. Can TRS party or any other party promise growth in a limited period of 20 yrs if Telangana is declared.

Further, I agree with you that backwardness is there in parts of Telangana region. That should be one of the top priorities of Govt.

Therefore, I believe, building one canal or appointing one committee will not address issue of backwardness in any region. There should be involvement of people in Govt decisions. Just the Assembly cannot frame rules. Social and not-for-profit organizations should be involved in scrutiny of govt schemes, implementation etc. Jury needs to be formed in all courts. There should be reforms in electoral process. Every one year there should be evaluation of politicians/elected representatives by people. Recall should be introduced. Private partnership must be taken in building infra projects across states. Priority should be given to uneducated people on non/semi-skilled jobs like tourism. The beach of Vizag, Hills of Kurnool and forests of Adilabad can be used of employment generation.

For people who earn 30 to 100 bugs per day, it would not matter whether they belong to AP or Telangana. From what matters are derivatives of development. Inclusive growth. As long as family does not sufficient source of food, it might not matter who is there CM. Remember, all politicians who are really crying for their regions are battling of share of political space that will lead to wealth generation for them. Students who are agitating now will feel the pinch when there are no companies to employ them. Therefore, I think, students should fight in court of law against specific cases of corruption, under-development, lack of basic infra. Today the idea of division will lead to separate state. Tomorrow it might lead to country.

So How would Hyderabad fit into this.. If the state gets divided, then Investments from now on will go to Vishakapattanam, Vijayawada, Kurnool, etc.Hyderabad would only slide down from now.. In terms of Investments, Industries, Indirect jobs..

For that case any city in AP, which is the capital.If only some XYZ was the Capital.. XYZ would have been the Hyderabad today..Hitech city, all the major hospitals, Shamshabad Airport and the whole infrastructure of Hyderabad would have been in XYZ.100 + Engineering colleges, Medical colleges which have mushroomed around Hyderabad would have been in XYZ.

And none of Hyderabad, Vizag, Vijayawada, Kurnool can match the other big metros(Chennai, Bangalore, Pune...) any more..

Anonymous:So How would Hyderabad fit into this.. If the state gets divided, then Investments from now on will go to Vishakapattanam, Vijayawada, Kurnool, etc. Hyderabad would only slide down from now.. In terms of Investments, Industries, Indirect jobs..

Do you think the sole criteria for attaining statehood is dependent on how much investments we may lose out tomorrow?

Sujai,I have been following your posts on Telangana in this space once in a while..was more than surprised when I read this particualr post..only got to understand it a bit later.anyways, still, I repeat still, if you are for a united AP if the three demands are met then pls. add the following too to the list.

1. Let them write the history of Telangana which has been carefully erased over the years. Let the kids know that this land had a revolution from which the world has learnt lessons. Along with other legends, let them know who is Shoebullah Khan, who is Narayanrao Pawar, who is Chakali Illiam, who is Komaram Bheem, who is Raavi Narayana Reddy, who is Dasaradhi, who is Kaloji.Let the kids know the history of formation of AP and on what basis it has been formed.

2. Let Septempber 17th be celebrated officially. People have not even dared to utter the word Telangana on this day till few years back, while Maharashtra and Karnataka have been celebrating this day officially.

3. Let the statements of "It's we who have taught you civilisation.We who have taught you language, how to eat and stuff" be taken back and assure that such statements will never be made again.

I'm surprised that those who are singing the tune of "Samaikya Andhra" now are more inclined in staying united but none is explaining on what assurance should Telangana stay in AP after so many broken promises and injustice...atleast now I expected they would say "Samaikya Andhra Pradesh" ... but no !!

You said: "I am not sure the fight is ONLY about jobs. I hope I did not give that impression on my blog."

I agree there are mode dimensions to it. But please please disagree that separation is to get out of yoke of 'Andhra palakulu'. Who are Andhra palakulu anyway? Everyone is ruled by leaders from their villages and towns, not even neighboring districts. KCR and TRS coined this to create hysteria in public. You agree that Indian democracy works better for bigger regions and cite that as one of the reasons for injustice to Telangana. Now for exactly the same reason, if separated, we would lose our clout at national level and thats ok?

I strongly believe Telangana is a mere false feeling which is successfully fed into minds of people. But this is done by the selfish leaders of telangana. And this has now become an obsession in people's minds. But this somehow has to be overcomed.

"Telangana is so poor that all the people of Andhra are spending all their capital in Telangana?"

As Sujai points out excerpts taken from SRC"Telangana, itself may be converted into a colony by the enterprising coastal Andhra."

Andhra people are not saints like telangana people who took all the colonial rule of andhra people since Independence and are now demanding "Independence" from colonial force andhra yes yes.

Even if andhra stays united or divided the fate of Hyderabad is doomed and Thanks to KCR for this service. If andhra forms andhra people obviously want to develop their own capital and make it the best in the world. If Andhra Pradesh remains united dont expect any investment to flow into Hyderabad, from now on every andhra, rayalaseema person will demand the same investment in their region and investors lost trust on this.

Andhra people are normal people who want to work hard and make a profitable investment.

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Yes yes Debt must be divided abong 3 and also profits of Hyderabad.

We need justice for the lifes,rapes and properties lost by thousands of innocent andhra people during 1969 and we need document all the actions of telangana people during this time.

Very glad to see this blog. But, now all the damage has happened. Hyderabad has lost all its importance. It will be no more a safe and convenient place for investors. If this deadlock continues, soon Hyderabad will be another Bhuvaneshwar or Bhopal.

I agree with people that those simple steps could have been taken to solve some, if not all, issues of Telangana. But the the question is, as in past, when politicians from all regions are demanding share for their regions, I really wonder how could things were passed by Telangana ministers. Ponnala has been the minister of Irrigation for past 6 yrs. Does he still need power to get a survey done on feasibilites of building a canal near N-sagar for Telangana? What stopped him? I cannot imagine any thing apart from personal wealth/political space that could have prevented him. Therefore, I dont see any development in Telangana rather Andhra or any other place in world, where things could change without will power.

Guys, demanding a separate piece of geography by creating another page of history is not what is needed now. We need people who can implement work for good of public. We do not need politicians as they have been. There is no guarantee that KCR will not become another YSR. Until wise politicians do not usher into public space there is not point of talking about geogrpahy or history. We should lead calm life with Biology in mind.

Talking people should lead by contesting local, atleast colony level elections and learn to manage public work.

Sridhar Vedhanabatla said...Until wise politicians do not usher into public space there is not point of talking about geogrpahy or history.

A social movement should not wait for the right kind of leaders to get it going. ‘Wise politician’ is a subjective word – there is no clear cut definition for it. Winston Churchill thought all Congress leaders of India were cunning and wicked. If it was up to him he would have waited for generations and still complained about the kind of leaders India had to deny us our freedom.

Right now, KCR is considered a bad leader. So, who is a good leader in Andhra Pradesh? Chinrajeevi who did a volte face after promising to support a separate Telangana? Chandrababu Naidu who has been doing flip-flop on Telangana issue? Who is a good leader? According to me all of them are equally corrupt, wile and cunning.

So, why then does Andhra Pradesh exist as a state? May be the Center should swoop in and take over the state and say, ‘We will wait till you get wise politicians. Till then you are under Central Rule’.

Dude, They will accept for the solutions for 3 mentioned points. But they will never implement it. We will be watching like a calm player. If it is a separate state, what the hell is problem for this andrites? We will get separate new administration. By the way, who the hell these andrites to accept for our own state? I donot understand. And I wonder you r supporting samikyandra, knowing all these facts. They will cheat man, which they have been doing for 50+ years. Do not believe them man. I request you, this is the time to create separate state. If you wait more, they will build there strength and send all telangana ppl to dubai and gulf, but they will go ot US,UK aus..

Hi Sujai, nice to see your elaboration on Telangana, let me tell you the parity what was there when the marriage happened in 56 and compare to what it is today you will definitely find big development in Telangana. I am very sure we can improve the situation and bring equilibrium. If Telangana is formed you pretty well see what is happening with leadership going into hands of RED and will not let develop the state. Not that I am doubting the capabilities of other Leaders of Telangana. This will be a short gain of T state later there will be series of disasters.

Apparently the biggest supporters of T are Brahmins.Having lost their glory after the other castes came up in life educationally, socially, politically and economically, they have concluded that a separate T will bring them back into power to some extent !!

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