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Re: Syria.

Re: Syria.

Originally Posted by Keven

Not a fan of the UN myself. My point was that the Dems crucified Bush for not having UN clearance prior to the invasion of Iraq and not giving the weapons inspectors enough time blah blah (remember Hans Blix? Ha.). Now, here we are, over 10 years later, and Obama's state department is saying they're going to do the same thing, if need be.

Re: Syria.

Just my 2c, I do not see any positive outcome for the US if any action is taken.

If we hit a few strategic targets with air and or cruise missile strikes, then Assad gets to beat his chest about still being in power after being confronted by the US (Not unlike Saddam did after Gulf War 1).

If we kick the shit out of Assad's regime or basically level the place, then not only are we creating a power void that is likely to be filled by Al Qaeda, but we also give them more propaganda material about "the Great Satan."

Either way, there is no way in hell Iran is going to let Israel stay out of this mess, likely trying to pull them in by some offensive of their own. Who knows what Russia and China will do as a response. I can see this becoming a cluster•••• of biblical proportions very easily.

Re: Syria.

You're right it's a no win situation. I'd like to know why he thinks a limited response isn't going to cause Syria and Iran to retaliate. What's he prepared to do when this thing blows up in his face. Is he prepared to go to war if he has to, I doubt it. A war in Afghanistan and a trillion dollars in cuts to the defense budget severely limits his capabilities.

This frigging idiot hasn't got a plan he has been slingin' sh*t from the first day he took office.

Re: Syria.

Obama doesn't know do what to do.

Did you hear the clip of him on NPR? He sounded like he was trying to decide between two places to go for lunch, not whether or not to take military action against a country in the Middle East powder keg.

Say what you want about Bush 43 and Iraq, but once he made up his mind, we were going to war come hell or high water.

I liked his spiel about "no boots on the ground" or "long-term deployment" today or yesterday. Reminded me of Bush 41's "This will not be another Vietnam" speech before the first Gulf War. Hey, gotta convince that 90% of American adults who don't want to see military action in Syria some how, eh Barry?

Re: Syria.

Originally Posted by Keven

Originally Posted by Phopojijo

Originally Posted by Keven

Really? Where are the Democrats complaining about the drone strikes or Guantanamo still being open? Why are libertarian Republicans and John Boehner the only ones complaining about Syria? Why does every news article mention that the NSA warrantless surveillance began under Bush and seem to omit the current administration?

Everybody gives their side a pass on the wrong things they do and you know it.

So what side am I?

Oh boy, another Centrist™.

Nonono. Don't dodge the question with a hollow joke. Defend what you originally said: What side am I?

Socially very liberal and economically moderately liberal. Sound about right?

Besides, you have a tenancy for making fun of Republicans and the right-wingers on this forum. So, let's stop the games and confirm you agree with Democrats more than Republicans, which is of course, an academic distinction for you since you can't vote in our elections.

True or false, you find Obama's march to war in Syria less troubling than Bush's march to war in Iraq? Because he's a left-wing president, or at least as far America is concerned and he's from the side you agree with more so than the other side.