Breaking my vows of secrecy for you

See, I knew my head was whirling! I meant THE ROOT POST of this thread.

Maybe I'm getting dehydrated.

I can only imagine what the ROOT THREAD might be. Hmmm. This thread IS pretty much 'root.' Maybe my mistake was just a new door to open...

but, after my brian rests a while.

Quoting: Esoteric Morgan

You know if we were even on the phone together we could have six different conversations at once.

Then your brain would really be working overtime!

Quoting: Open Your Eyes

Ha! this is my daily life... business phone in one hand, cell in another, text arrives asking for info, another call is trying to come through, someone in the room is yapping--as if they can't see i'm a bit tied up at the moment--then, of course, the doorbell rings for a delivery. At that moment in time you'd think it was the center of the Universe.

It's pandemonium!!!! (Wow, I just saw the word demon centered in that word.)

Now, when you say 'six different conversations' you are talking about two bodies that include their individual entities, as OP taught me in this thread, correct?

Quoting: Esoteric Morgan

We can have six different topics running at the same time and we can bounce back and forth between each one at random.

It matters because someone shared with me its name. I was trying to substantiate your claims for my understanding.

The micro/macrocosm logic that you describe is kind of skewed because if what you say is true, then the perfect representation of the whole is a fake, from your own words you say this is a false construct. Please help me understand further. Thank you.

Quoting: Bent

If you are referring to the most outer entity of all, ("God") I can only explain it as this:

EVERYTHING you know and everything you dont know, all that is, exists WITHIN the Mind of the Ultimate Source - that often called God. This is the Source of All and nothing can ever exist outside it, externally to it, since that would make something greater than what it is which is impossible. It is the first, the one that has always been and always will be. It is a conscious energy form, without any form, since there can be no external parts to give such forms since that would mean there would be outside space of other matter beyond it, which can not be since it itself is all and everything. We can never truly know it in its full, since only it itself can, from its own unique perspective and point of being.

Yes I know of this new-age construct called the merkaba. While it may be effective, it really serves no purpose since it is just complicating what you already got. Although the term is ancient, it has been poularized lately by certain individuals, whom often are "channelers" which is another negative thing to work with as you will almost be guaranteed to get in contact with deceitful demonic entities through "channeling".

Merkaba, is simply an unnecessary extra effort to do what you can already do, Astral Project. Its only real purpose is to serve as a form of astral vehicle to bring you around in the astral planes, but for what reason? You can already bring yourself around in the same places without anything else than yourself, your astral body is free to fly anywhere.

Forget about "merkaba" and focus on yourself and what you already got within - dont overly complicate things for yourself, that is all just a way to deceive you and keep you busy with more chances for failure than success.

I know some "merkaba experts" that heavily promote the use of such techniques, yet still when they explain their experiences I am not impressed at all and quickly realize that they have only ventured to lower astral realms at the best, or not gotten anywhere at all at worst.

Solarsun, my thoughts have always been that we are here in a limited body to experience emotions from love to hate, strife, war and pain. All of it. That we come here to FEEL this because to be a being of power and complete freedom that has it all would become boring in time. Just as winning the lottery here on earth will become empty after a short while. Just buying whatever you want. What about this? How can a being of astal power be enough to keep one happy forever?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24532632

You can experience the same things you mention without a physical body. The physical body serves no useful purpose, as I have explained it was created to deceive you and mislead you away from your true omnipotent self.

There are always new explorations to get done, more discoveries to be made, personally I feel myself to be deeply experienced in the astral planes and beyond, and honestly the more I discover and learn, the more I figure out there is still to experience, and new questions that needs to be answered, and the new mysteries coming towards me. It is still an amazing journey even after a life-time of this being a daily part of my life.

Teleportation and time-travel is probably the most interesting / exotic. I have also seen interdimensional space crafts, technology of other planets.

Quoting: SolarSon

Have you heard where the crafts have traveled to?

Quoting: Open Your Eyes

Some crafts are here locally, around in our own solar system, going to the Moon and Mars and other planets, where Human race people lives and works with shadow factions of Earth governments.

Others reach further out into the galaxy and beyond into other galaxies, there is a lot of life out there, and more places to visit than you can ever imagine.

I have personally visited some of the planets and its truly an experience that will stick with you - and make you understand how much you still have to discover. And that is in the physical universe alone, so countless amounts of worlds to see - then after comes all the other layers of existence, astral plane, and wonders. You have a great journey ahead of you.

Op, first, I would like to apologize for being part of the offshoot 'hijacking' of your thread's main theme.

I actually kept coming back to see if you would ever get to my first, serious comment ...although, I really didn't ask any questions, for, your words simply spoke volumes to my own life. As I've come back, new doors and topics have caught my interest also.

I just wanted you to know that despite the offshoot conversations, I really am reading and enjoying the content of your commentary, along with the answers you are providing to others.

One question I have concerns the work of the Keshe Foundation. Do you have any thoughts about this? Some of their work seems very appealing and interesting, while nano-technology continues to alarm me; since learning that that employ such technology, it makes me hold them suspect, leading me to question their real motives. I was thrilled, before this.

Do you know if any of the major countries are poised to implement their work? Do you have any thoughts about our own government's rejection of this technology?

Thank you for your work on this thread. It has helped me understand myself more clearly, by realizing that how my life has evolved, what I do and how I think, is really not 'odd' as some want me to believe. I really spend no time in 'self-development'...it's more like I just go with the flow, what seems correct to me. Now I think I might be better served to progress further. Thank you!

why do deny all youre knowledge is from the torah code. why do you deny its impossible for gentiles, to fully understand this torah code?

Quoting: DPS

Sorry but I found your message irrelevant.

I have already explained my viewpoint of the ultimate form of God, look a bit back and read it.

For the torah, very little of what I share has any root there. It would be more correct to say that the torah is the lies created using my information as the basis for. The teachings of the secret orders are purer and practical, and any form of biblical text is simply misrepresenting the truth for the purpose of deceit.

Thank you. I was invited in to a local oto group but the whole crowley worship mentality of oto kind of freaks me out. Do you have any suggestions or info on oto?

Is amorc a complete waste of time? Is it tainted?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24708460

OTO, being under dark energy from its very core and origin, is not a place I would join personally. The members, its creators, and leaders have been and are involved in sickening acts and perverse rituals and attract a lot of negative energies and entities to themselves.

If you want to know OTO, I suggest that you first get to know yourself properly, and gain some experience with more "clean" and "positively charged" orders and groups. Then you can decide to join OTO later on when you are in proper control of yourself, your Mind and your Existence. It can be useful to know the "other side", but to do so you must be properly prepared and ready to take care of yourself. I have explored the "dark side" through other means and have no interest of going back to that area, in the end you will find it is not worth it. I still have good friends of higher position in OTO though.

For AMORC, it is far from a waste of time. It can actually be very useful and insightful. But unless you live near one of their real temples, and a place for actual lodge meetings, it can not give you a true experience of a secret order. It can only give you a watered down, self-study mailorder version of an order.

It does have prominent members though, there is both an outer order and an inner orders, and levels beyond that up to Illuminati.

Depending on your interests, other orders that you might find useful and fascinating could be Golden Dawn, which have a significant historical place as far as modern magical practices goes, and the more obscure and lesser known christian mystics Martinist Order, which also is very esoteric in its practices. I would also add the Misraim-rite of the Freemason order here, which gives you a real in-depth experience of the true esoteric practices of Freemasonry.

If it is hard to find any of the more obscure and underground orders, you can always join one of the more mainstream ones first as you will be guaranteed to get in contact with interesting individuals who can further introduce you when you're in.

You honestly have a long road a head, start somewhere you feel comfortable, make sure to do proper background checks on what you get yourself into, and truly get to know what you are doing, and you will be fine and have some really unique and insightful years full of experiences ahead of you on your discoveries and explorations.

Homosexuality is also said to have a different effect on spiritual energies, and some occultists and spiritual people are homosexual because of that, so they do not have to surpress their sexuality completely.

This is also the reason there is so much pedophilia and homosexuality in different religious institutions, such as the Church.

Quoting: SolarSon

hmmI would rather say that seeking the spirituality makes you look at sexuality in a neutral way, whether it is homosexuality or heterosexuality, it is still a part of our culture and form of life, it simply is part of what we are.

Being spiritual has little to do with being closer to homosexuality, though the serenity and mildness are often looked upon as feminine traits.It has to do with seeing both sides of the gender and percieved sexuality.

Some are taught to ignore the opposite sex due to spiritual reasoning, again as a part of a guide to reach enlightenment, but each road is unique, so most of the teaching should be seen as inspiration instead of a step by step guide.Trying to drown your sexuality instead of understanding it leads to a different form of control over it, or perhaps lack of.

I do not agree with you that spirituality indirectly leads to pedophilia and homosexuality, I bet that those persons would have those traits if they did not have their positions and were not considered "spiritual"

...snip...Unfortunately, people are still very naive and gullible - they are easy to manipulate and control, and a vast amount take anything they are told as "the truth". This is very damaging, and in turn creates NEW groups, that are honest per say, but living a doctrine of lies based on false information they originally learned about from these Deceitful Groups....snip...

Quoting: SolarSon

I hate to use your own quote against you, bud, but... I think you just sank your own little ship. I'm sure it was fun for you while it lasted.

Page views are the currency of this site that translate directly into cash in his pocket. Keep that in mind when you come here to GLP, then engage your critical thinking.

This thread is full of BS, and all you have to do is take a minute to really ask yourself "is this for real?"

Try this, instead:"Can you give yourself some approval? For no reason? Other than it is the smart thing to do? You can either choose to be negative and disapprove of yourself, or positive and approve of yourself. Which do you choose? Can you give yourself some more approval?"

Take a minute and really try to feel this. When you are able to feel this approval, ask yourself, Where does it come from? Then keep doing it...

"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women

DPS if you follow the torah and the tanach why are you not busy with Sukkot? Take your computer in your tent do you ?Is your time on the computer more important than the observance of the Festival of Sukkot ? Atik Yomin might have a problem with that .

" I have Lost My Religion and found My Spirituality "

If it were not for My Life's Lessons I would not be Who I am today. "Thank You"

" I will NOT ... Give up: Give in: or admit defeat: I will overcome all obstacles in my path and reach the mark/goal and gateway out: :)) ""It is Wholeness and Balance That I seek"

1. SO, is our soul a large, liquid blue shimmering blob that stands up about our height but wider? And then pours itself into us through the top of our head?

2. Or a blue electric sparkling somewhat duplicate of our physical body, only smaller, see through, and with bones visible? That exists full length up and down in our current body, sometimes upside down?

Also, totally off subject, could you please put a picture icon under your user name so your posts are easier to find?

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SolorSon What you are saying regarding all these rituals and other stuff is spiritual perversion. God does exist and he does have a form your in his form. One question. What if everything that you think you know is a spiritual deception?The reason why I ask is are going into topics no different than Alyster Crowley who was a proclaimed satanist. Also various of the rituals that you use are from King Salomon who in his words said these teachings are for the glory of God. I have had so many experiences with the spiritual that to me is natural not supernatural anymore. God created a veil in humanity in order for us not go into the spiritual realm for a reason and that was spiritual deception. Yeshua was not just a man I seen and experienced who he is. He is forgiveness and love. But what you say about astral projection and rituals and magic is spiritual perversion. I believe that the one who has been mislead is you. You speak about reincarnation but what is really happening are familiar spirits giving you and putting those thaughts in your head for you to believe that you have had many lives and are reincarnated. Brother/Sister you have got yourself involved with something that you are being mislead and at the same time misleading. People are hungry for answers and understanding in spiritual arena, you have some but as it was in the days of old regarding the serpent (or reptilian) as they call them these days. This being told half truth and half lies. Now to you this may be truth. But there is only one truth and many lies. Yeshua (Jesus is the truth the way and life) everything else friend is death. I speak not out of reading scripture but out of my experiences directly with him. Not religious crap nor catholicism but personal relationship with the lord. He is my father the great I am. Yes you don't truly know oneself until you realise you are the image of the creator of all that exists. Father, Yeshua, And spirit of the lord the Holy Spirit is the only way one can have peace in this life and the one to come. Spiritual life. If you think you have found another way than good luck with that you will find out the hardway later on.

And many plans are in place for 2012 - but there are not only negative ones, in fact, the positive ones are starting to tip the balance over in their favor, and to truly answer the question given me above when starting to write this reply, I can say that I see POSITIVE times ahead, although we will have negative events first coming down upon us, yet that which will seem evil and bad for some time, will prove to be for the greater good in the end as we move into 2013 and beyond. It will be a time for changes in the system, fall of old powers, and the introduction of new, benevolent energies and positive changes.

Quoting: SolarSon

Thank you again OP for this information, if true, it is such a powerful service to mankind. Again, if true, and I have seen nothing to lead me to believe it is not, it is obvious as you said earlier we have been subject to much disinformation, in fact almost everything else is disinformation and misinformation.

Are you able to elaborate at all on this part, you said great and destructive changes will be upon us soon? Are you talking about Planet X or alignment with the galactic plane? Whether Planet X or not, can you provide recommendations to survive these changes? I care not as much for myself, but for my young offspring.

Thanks.

The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.

I've just only read the first page, and see that the "knowledge management specialists" aka trolls are out in full force - so you know what you are saying must have hit a nerve somewhere.

You know you are over the target when you start taking flak.

Anyway, all these posters saying "give us more proof or go away etc", wow, is someone forcing you to click on this thread? If you don't like the topic you can't ignore it and are compelled to read it? You must find love in your heart for your fellow man...........

Quoting: get_over_it

All of the New Age community, and Alternative scene, in special, are heavily infiltrated by these Deceitful Groups..............

Some of these forums and discussion groups are CREATED by these very people, for the full intent of misleading you away from the real Truth and get you lost in a maze of deceit. They are experts, and honestly very good at what they are doing, and the amounts of people they lure is horrifying.

They do infiltrate ALL social media and discussion groups.....

When someone are heavily attacked, naysayers jump out, and threads even deleted or locked, this is very often because the truth put forth is strongly censored and something "they" want to keep away from you.

Quoting: SolarSon

Within the "devils advocate" faction who are deceiving censoring and manipulating the truth for the sake of the continuation of establishment there MUST be people who are well aware of consequences in spiritual realm regarding their doings. I've experienced massiv censoring over time on different plattforms and it is eyeopening to what extend the world is controlled leaving me to believe there is little hope for a enlightened society on this planet in near future. How do you see Iavid Dcke's role in this whole subject. He doesnt seem to face much censorship. I have my own view but I'm interested in yours. Thank you for your previous reply in third eye activation!

It matters because someone shared with me its name. I was trying to substantiate your claims for my understanding.

The micro/macrocosm logic that you describe is kind of skewed because if what you say is true, then the perfect representation of the whole is a fake, from your own words you say this is a false construct. Please help me understand further. Thank you.

Quoting: Bent

If you are referring to the most outer entity of all, ("God") I can only explain it as this:

EVERYTHING you know and everything you dont know, all that is, exists WITHIN the Mind of the Ultimate Source - that often called God. This is the Source of All and nothing can ever exist outside it, externally to it, since that would make something greater than what it is which is impossible. It is the first, the one that has always been and always will be. It is a conscious energy form, without any form, since there can be no external parts to give such forms since that would mean there would be outside space of other matter beyond it, which can not be since it itself is all and everything. We can never truly know it in its full, since only it itself can, from its own unique perspective and point of being.

Hey op, is Atlantis for the place before earth was built, the place where you said humans were fighting the reptilians and were fooled by them thinking there was an escape, but it brought us here to earth?

Is there going to be another trap set by them to take us to another even more controlled farm?

This is very true, though much more 'tricky' and complex. When on the other side, there is a process of development that has to take place in order to begin seeing with clarity the 'self'. During exploration of the 'processes of development', things can be similar to here in waking reality, in that experiences and entities can be distorted because of bias and beliefs, and this includes the distortion of your perception of your own self.

Quoting: Swinging on Spirals 865798

That can be quickly overcome by learning to understand that you dont really know anything, and be open to that which comes after - and once you are in the spirit world, or astral planes, simply DEMAND yourself to see and experience everything in its clean and pure way.

You can say out loudly, " I see all the way it truly is!" and tell yourself to experience yourself from your highest form of Selv and Understanding. Try it out.

Quoting: SolarSon

Thanks SolarSon. I'll definitely try this. I've done all sorts of various things similar to this on the other side, always with fascinating results. This 'intention' you provided above sounds like it will be very helpful.

i understand your questions and missunderstandings, heres the truth - jew,s are still in exile to this very day, we may be in control of spiritual and physical land of israel, but we are still spiritually disconnected from israel and its g-ds name within it, this connection will be remade when messiah comes.

the last time we were connected was in david's and ecpecially solomon's time - when all nations around us came to jerusalem to gain wisdom, and surely they have gained wisdom.

we do the best we can now, to restore order, and balance through moshiach, our rituals are so different than they were in the days of the temples.

our rituals sole purpose is to make moshiach come, manifest him, only when that is complete we will return to our old service.

Quoting: DPS

What I understand is that I do have misunderstandings. However, you give off the impression that you do not...or at least that the text you follow that you aren't allowed to teach does not.

Therefore, you do not regard me as your equal. At the same time my core beliefs require that I regard you as mine. My core beliefs don't forbid me from teaching individuals the best understanding I have of the nature of the spirit...whereas your spiritual disposition does.

The fact that I must treat you as an equal despite this lack of reciprocation is an exercise of acting without believing. It is controlled folly on my part.

I better run along now. You have a war to prepare for.

Quoting: Jonny Blaze

you missunderstand me, we want to teach, but we cant! how could we do this without the temple? how could we do this without moshiach to restore order first?

Quoting: DPS

LOL!! You need order to teach???

Who will teach you how to obtain order???

The Moshiach? In the Temple?

Will he build it all by himself? Will he restore order all bhimself

Will he do this before Iran builds a nuclear weapon? Will he do this before Syria is overrun by rebels? Do you expect that the vacuum of power left by the Assad regime will be filled by a NATO puppet? Or do you expect that Syria will turn out to be more like Egypt?

Do you think Saudi Arabia will still be your friend if the Shiites are destroyed...given the fact that the Sunni's are just as hardcore about hating your country?

Like I said. You have a war to prepare for. Your surrounded by a sea of people who could attack you at any moment if a spark is lit. And even if they don't and the Sunnis and Shiites attack each other instead...the winners will turn their blood lust on you eventually.

But keep waiting to build that temple. Don't you dare teach anyone any useful knowledge before it's time. ;)

Quoting: Jonny Blaze

If they can manifest the Messiah, is that any different than using magic that the illuminati claims they use? Seems like manipulation and fake. Why would god need humans to do the manifesting? If god is so powerful, why doesn't he just do it?