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What changed with the EE brake pad holders? It's not the same easy 10 sec job to bend up pad, pull out, and insert new one?

He just moved the slot back a little back, so that you insert the pad a little further back and push it forward a little further, if that makes sense. It's still 99% as easy as it was.

Miller76 wrote:

What are the best pads suggested for EE brakes on non carbon rims?

thanks again

Any Shimano compatible pad will work in the pad holders and while the EE-brake can make up for a lack of "grippynes" of a pad, what's "best" will come down to your rim and personal preference. I really liked the older Swiss Stop green ones, the new ones are good as well. The Dura Ace pads work nicely as well.

_________________"Nothing compares to the simple pleasures of a bike ride," said John F. Kennedy, a man who had the pleasure of Marilyn Monroe.

What can I say, I had the chance to walk up to a bike that was just being built and had the new EE pad holders on it and it probably helped that the bike was fixed so I could grab the holder with one hand and the pad with the other, but it was tool less and quickly done compared to all non-EE pad holders I've had so far. There were DA pads in there and no wheel. But since my usual procedure is wheel out, brake pads out, brake pads in, wheel in, I think that's fair.

_________________"Nothing compares to the simple pleasures of a bike ride," said John F. Kennedy, a man who had the pleasure of Marilyn Monroe.

RE: pad changes, I can't speak for the first generation, but my second gen pair are easy as pie to change pads, provided they are standard type pads. Zipp cork pads are a whole different story, a PIA to put in and required modification so that the slot would fit in rather than the normal hole.

just got a new EE caliper and new zipp tangente platinum pads, and replaced the pads in both the old style EE caliper and the new EE caliper, and noticed zero difference in ease...both were simple, painless, and quick.

While the basic procedure to change the pads is the same the new pad holders are much tighter then the older version. The old version I could simply remove by hand in two seconds yet never has come loose in any way while riding. The new pad holders are tight enough that I had to remove the wheel and actually remove the pad holder to get enough leverage to get the pad out without hurting my fingers (exact same pads BTW). I also tried this at my LBS on a test bike and yep, I had to struggle to remove a single pad. I purchased an NOS EE brake pad holder (they gave me a deep discount) and I'm the happier for it. In all circumstances the pads happened to be yellow SwissStops. I have no axe to grind and love and recommend EE brakes. I stand by my statement about the old pad holders being better. The new pad holder are OK but not for my first choice next to the old ones. I remember that the tighter fit was one of the improvements advertised when the new model was releasedthis is how the old pad holders worked for mehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzpjsFPjdvU

Depends on how you have the cable slack adjusted. I set it so there's about half the lever travel before the brakes engage. The EE brakes aren't perfectly solid (no brake is) but there's no more level travel between starting to engage and hard braking than with other brake calipers.

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