We have been getting this intel all day, but it was until now that I got confirmation of it, so take your chance and comment before the double think pieces come out.

directorbot: HORRIBLE EXPERIMENTS WITH PUBBIES: Due to the horrors of the Odyssey changes, we are now considering the formerly unthinkable: setting up a CFC-affiliated renter zone, where each entity in the CFC gets ~mad bux~ based on their participation. CCP seems to be forcing everyone into being serf-lords. Give me your best renter-alliance names in gfgbs, with the understanding that “Free Trade Zone” has sadly already been taken.

We’re also going to arrange a ~sales force~ where you can get a cut of the first month’s rent of any renter pubbie corp you help us slot into their ghettoes.

Threads have been started in our forums regarding GSF starting a renter program. Damn hypocrites:

“There is a bit of an arguement on the SA forums atm about it, where apparently high command pinged about it and people are feeling rather grumpy now.”

“Well, I know how to vote the fact that I think this rental thing is bullshit.

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Thanks for the Fountain war guys, it was loads of fun.”

Hooray one goon rage quit.”

After speaking to a CFC member about this he pointed out one interesting fact:

Going to be hard for goons to not just scam people interested in this. The scams channel was lit up with joy at the idea.

beginning of the end for goons going down the renter path shadow of xxdeath showed how quickly a renter alliance collapses in the face of even 1 determined alliance(solar). what goons don’t realise their renters will be directly targeted to the point nobody will want to rent that space.another thing comes to mind with goons renting out space is the goon isk safety blanket getting a bit thin keeping things ticking over

Maybe it comes to a time goons will start to shoot “somebody” else’s renters too? Or maybe we let out the “too”, and they set up renters just after they finish off the competition’s renters? And start to rent competition’s space?

Whats the diffrence between a N3 / PL or CFC renting program ?
nothing, just buseniss.

The end of the day it comes down to isk to fund SRP / Supers / Sov bills / future wars / goons carrier in every booth + skill books for free / etc etc etc.

I dont know if there is any truth in CFC renting space, but if it is then why not ?
Seems each powerhouse is doing it so it would be stupid to not do it if you ask me.

Isk is isk, doesnt matter where it comes from as long as it flows into positive wallet.
And with the way we can invade and take space from anything in Eve there is not much that can stop us from taking what we want and when we want it.

CFC renters, my gawd that will be the new thunderdome because only the most new 9ie don’t understand how goons will treat and scam renters) scrubs will live there, also cfc will try and rope them into fleets, hopefully when cfc trys to get them into fleets they will do what most renter alliances do, flip to the winning side. I used to be in the cfc (until I said fuck sov) and theres no way mittens can make this work he would have to purge too many to keep his core.

Way to go, you Goon fucks (<– referring to the regular pilots not the leadership). Keep living under the retarded assumption that you are free under that shit alliance leadership (<– referring to leadership, not the regular pilots).

Soon all of us will be just renters pet by CFC aka CCP.. Goonies and CCP wants everyone to buy plexes aside from paying 10 chars of alts. What a waste of time and real life money. The mittani is getting richer. We do sucks.

Remember, goons ultimate long term goal as stated by their own leader several times in the past was to destroy eve as a game. The most amusing thing is that the goon rank & file, don’t realise they’re bringing about the demise of the game.

Fountain with R64 is around 250 billion a month.
No other region has higher income for moons, we own many regions and all are less them Fountain.
Looking at N3 / PL renting programs and their income is way more, around 400 billion in 1.5 months on average for N3.

This means we are letting them get richer and richer while we stagnate.
This also means that in future wars they have isk advantage, in short wars this doesnt mean shit.
But in long wars your fucked, just look at Test 1 month in the war how shit turns out if you dont replace ship losses.

CFC members are used to get all shit replaced within hours of loss, we are used to fun stuff that doesnt cost us a penny.
We can still live that lifestyle, but it will mean less isk for the warchest.

Also Test is selling Delve to NCdot, we arent going to let that happen, maybe a new war is comming for Delve 😉
Either way CFC isnt going to let our enemy’s get space rich while we are stuck with a few moons.
its time to evolve as the way CCP wants us, moon income nerfed renting programs the new future.
adapt or get wiped out.

We hate it……….lots of drama about it, but its either this or get wiped out within a year or 2.

The thread on the GSF forum is … erm …. interesting. It’s a legit offer, the numbers we can make from renting pretty good space are very nice and we’re planning to make it a good experience. I was always too soft to scam but I’ll sign up to the sales force for the rental team because if you want decent null sec space it’s not a bad deal and you’ll get the pick of the good systems.

ye many goons make quite some isk from scams, and its something of a last resort.
but its stupid to ignore facts when you look to the east and whole renting empires earning trillions when your stuck with a few moons.

Personally I have no issue with renting as it needs to be done due to game mechanics making it difficult to hold large areas of space – this is point right? What does annoy me though is that some of the CFC alliances were basically held at gunpoint and told to shed people or be kicked. Take SMA. They had to shed around half their people and created a whole new group of enemies in the process. If renting had been an option, couldn’t they just have moved these people to a renter alliance and saved a lot of head- and heartache? Seems like Goons are once again being self serving and it wouldn’t surprise me if the Fountain war ends up being nothing more than a scheme to rent out the entire region.

As you might not now how CFC operate and keep itself alive i tell you the simple 300 line that we all understand.

“We work as a single unit, you need to pull your shield high enough to protect the man on your left side”

If you have 4000 people and only 2% show up for fleets then you got freeloaders.
If each CFC alliance starts slacking with 2% participation then its gameover.
SMA had to purge their freeloaders as they created internal drama for people who did show up for fleets.
Alot of them dint show up for fleets, not even once a week or once every 2 weeks.

People that docked their ratting ship and get into fleets saw this and were like WTF ?
Woulnt you feel the same ?

So any alliance not pulling its weight is removed as they arent deffending their brothers.
Not deffending your brothers = exit.
You get a few early warnings if participation is dropping crittical, you should act when this happens.
CFC are a pvp alliance with all kinds of people, all diffrent alliance have their own vision and their own leaders.
SMA purged their ratting queens and their participation went up massivly.
problem fixed !!!

This is what keeping us in shape, keeping us strong, and keeping us happy.
Nothing worse then a bunch of carebears dragging your pvp alliance down.

I think you’re missing his point. Ratters generate income for corps and alliances. In SMA’s case, cutting 1.5k people will have hurt their bottom line massively so I imagine it’s a slap in the face to see renting suddenly being a viable alternative. Holding 40 systems, fighting a war away from home and successfully defending their home space from 401k with seemingly little to no help from their CFC ‘brothers’ is a great achievement. I wish half the alliances in this game were that strong but I wonder how long the isk will last as it does seem like Mittens are co are lining their pockets first.

No doubt about that statement, butt when there is homedefence fleets up and you never attend them you shit on your bro’s.
Each alliance – each corp – each member is tracked on participation.
If your never there you do not belong in a null sec corp but a renting corp..

Once a week in peacetime is all what is asked, that means you halways have 6 days to rat / scam / explore, a fair trade to the “best income” in eve online no ?

Your forgetting the fact that most of the people that were kicked have lives and were extremely loyal to their alliance. From my alliance I saw many forcfully leave that were highly qualified pilots and have a factor that you can’t measure in numbers. If all of eve would nut up and not run from the CFC you will see them run quickly because they are not in the CFC for the right reasons there will be no Alamo fight when the CFC feels the heat.

I was actually in a fleet with Mittens when this idea came up. One total asshole asked if this would be a great opportunity to lay some big renting scams on people until the actual renting took place.
Mittens made the following statement in a fleet of 500+ directly to that person:
“If you do that I will consider it stealing from the CFC and it’s members and I personally kick your alliance from the CFC and burn your shit to the ground and then shoot you in the face.” There was silence for about 20 minutes until someone posted a funny pap link.

That is a legitimate problem but it’s already been announced within CFC that rental scams are now banned. Obviously if you are an early adopter you’ll have chance to grab the better space. Goons may have a reputation for scamming but they also have a reputation for great organisation and the ability to work very well with their friends.

Rule Number 1 of Scamming: Claim it is legitimate ( i.e. rental scams have been banned )

Rule Number 2 of Scamming : Never Trust a Goon.

August 11, 2013 at 6:57 pm

Urziel99

Powers Sa is the only authorized contact I am aware of. He’s a member of GSF’s Corps Diplo. Ignore anyone else who tries to take isk or assets.

August 11, 2013 at 8:27 pm

GrouchyOldGamer

They scheme hasn’t started it yet, they are looking to trial it first to see if it’s not awful.

August 11, 2013 at 8:30 pm

Thomas

So rule number 1, these are the same Goons that proudly proclaim that they will never recruit non-SA members and any attempt at recruitment is a scam front and centre on their publicly available wiki? Goons love to tell people they’re scamming them, because it makes the people who fall for them look even more stupid.

August 12, 2013 at 3:02 am

JIeoH Mocc

Ahaha, yeah, that’s what i meant. rental scams have been banned by the lord of scammers.

August 11, 2013 at 8:24 pm

Orly?

Kinda like the CFC said all it wanted was to be BFFs with TEST. What happened to “Fountain will solve our problems”? Its like Mittens is intentionally making this all out to be CCPs fault, if only they would bring back his precious RMT…I mean R-64s, this nasty business could just go away.

1. Goons have take far more space that they can actually use. Renting space is a logical and huge RMT opportunity.
2.Very soon, in less than 2 weeks, CCP is announcing the theme of the winter release, at Gamescom. It is going to “feature” another huge huge buff to null industry income, and the beginning of the end for high sec industry. Having a massive amount of industrial renters using all your station invention and mfg slots and refinery slots, beside paying the monthly rental fees, will make moon goo income look like tip money.

mynnna, malcanis, and soundwave has already given all the specifics to the goon economic cabal, they have crunched the numbers, and have seen that renting space will be, at least for the short and medium term, the best RMT option, in their ongoing plan to convert TQ to the Chinese based Serenity business model.

By crushing high sec income streams, goons / ccp are impoverishing high sec players, thereby forcing them to sell plexes or buy black market ISK. The bottom line, to fund their high sec playstyle, not only will they be forced to to essentially pay for every T2 ship and module an even larger tax to goons than they do now, non-null sec players will essentially be paying goons their monthly account fees.

The people at the top of the food chain will not just be paying utility bills and mortgages with RMT, but paying the 2nd mortgage on the cottage.

Well the whole RMT thing and the Goon/Soundwave conspiracy is tinfoil hattery, but he’s got a point when he’s saying that everyone who buys a T2 item is paying a “tax” to the Goons, and that you contribute to finance their accounts if you buy PLEX to afford those T2 items.

That was more true in the days of tech than it is now. The r64 metamaterials are more spread out and harder to control.

August 11, 2013 at 8:24 pm

Kamar Raimo

Fair enough, it’s more level now, but still, those who control the largest amount of R64s have the largest piece of the pie and get the largest cut. I’d be surprised if all the R64 moons in Fountain go to the next CFC ally who gets installed there. If it’s anything like thay did it in OTEC, they will give out moons in controlled numbers and have all the others covered by their own moon mining POSes

August 11, 2013 at 9:43 pm

Urziel99

r64’s aren’t tied to a region however and alchemy reactions exist to make r64 materials so any idiot with a reaction tower can break an r64 cartel.

As a player who has both been in 0.0 and empire alot i see no issue with making money on both fronts .. also i’m not a big fan of goons but i find it hard to believe they are selling all the isk considering the just spent trillion+ on a war and paid off half the galaxy to take down test

I read and understood this. Yet I fail to see how this is in anyway bad for anyone except the highsec noob. What’s the difference between concord and goonswarm security, i bet goonswarm security wont bann u for linking porn in local.

“The scams channel was lit up with joy at the idea” – This and this alone is why CFC specialy goons wont get any or few renters, considering how well know goons/CFC are for being scamming asshats surprisingly seems they wont likely get renters :). N3/NC. on the other hand are liable to end up with a lot more.

essentialy goons and cfc fucked themselves royaly in the ass a long time ago in regards to ANYONE in eve trusting them, wouldn’t be surprised if the few renters CFC/Goons end up with insist goons/cfc put 2x collateral of what their bringing down, to Chribba to hold onto for the duration of the rental agreement to ensure goons/cfc dont just fuck them over.

Goonies Renting will be ONE BIG SCAM!!! LOL
I wounder if there is any whole or part of corp/entity in EVE that has been in one point or another scammed by Goons. Even their CFC allies are taking it the ass whenever they told by Goonies!

True that we are prolly the biggest scammers in the history of Eve.
But looking at how Eve is changing to Renting empires we have no choice but to adapt.

The Mittani announced that you can still scam !!!! but no renting scams as its now bannable.
Also renters get a blue standing, blue standing means no scamming blues.

I still chuckle when i read RMT
Carrier and Dread on every booth + skill books + SRP + new extra stuff comming once we have Renters, altough we start that project small to see how it goes and expand once its a succes.

That doesnt mean we are happy with this move, many goons dispise it, but not renting out means letting our enemy’s grow much bigger in isk….
Thats not an option.

You would have to be an absolute moron to rent from them. Time and Time again they have destroyed people that have trusted them. Not only killing every one in sight but stealing anything that was not destroyed in the process. Now they come to us with a smile and a “It will be different this time” line all the while a smirk grows across their lips. So by all means, rent from them, they are always willing to accept your donations.

Why not just post the whole announcement? Goons have been banned from rental scams and scamming renters so they aren’t really in any danger. The quote about GS_scams is a bullshit; far from being ‘lit up with joy’ the channel was in mourning at the death of rental scams.

It begs the question, why did you wait 24 hours for ‘confirmation’ only to post quotes from ncdot forums?

“Going to be hard for goons to not just scam people interested in this. The scams channel was lit up with joy at the idea.” And given the very real history of “No really, its not a scam this time!”, a retort that has been heard many times, is pretty much equivalent to Lindsey Lohan saying she is going to quite binge drinking….and drugs, for reals this time! Not really worth reading, let alone printing.
You reap what you sow, as they say.

Whoever wrote that quote was not in the gs_scams channel because there was absolutely nobody who was overjoyed at the fact they’d no longer be allowed to run rental scams. Give that the rest of the story is verbatim from ncdot forums I suspect that part was too.

If you even think about CFC putting a 180 to do a scam when you can clearly see a 750 billion income for N3 versus 250 billion from Fountain you are delusional.
I coulnt care less if your trolling or realy believe CFC puts up a scam.
But let me tell you, CCP nerfed moons into oblivion, to stay competitive with your enemy’s who have triplle the income you have no choice in the matter anymore.

Its go with the flow or get destroyed.
Many thanks to CCP and their great vision of Nulsec, seems they finaly got their way with more players into nullsec after all, but not to fight, but to carebear……

We realy hate this shit, but not adapting to renting means in a year or 2 CFC is wiped out by N3/PL due to not having enough isk to keep fighting long wars.
As we have seen with Test what it means when you do not have isk to produce supers / dreads / caps / SRP…..your fighing with 1 hand and 1 leg, you will be exterminated.

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