While most will think this will be a commentary on the lack of acceptance of anything I do different or being black balled if you will for being a heretic, it is really something different.

These forums blow up every now and then it is usually because someone has commented negatively on either OUR Uechi or OUR person.

And whether we are saying that is not Uechi or that is bad Uechi there really is not a lot of difference between the two.

Since I am what some have termed a heretic it pisses me off when people claim I am not doing Uechi Ryu.

The arrogance of that statement is astounding and I truly believe some psychological treatment is required . (This would be a personal type comment but please read to the end before emailing George. )

Yeah I know I said that is not what this thread is about but give me a minute.

Bill proposed the more correct comment of “That’s not MY Uechi.”

Now to me that would be a valid comment.

Now, to the flip side, in the past I may have said one or two (okay maybe a few hundred ) things that bash the prearranged Kumites and also what some have coined “Robot Ryu.”

If I gave it enough thought and introspection and I was willing to admit to it, am I not, in essence, saying, “That’s not Uechi.”

ARRRGGGG. Not something I find very palatable.

If we think about it if they say I do not look like the Uechi they want to see then I am not doing Uechi. If I say they are not training Uechi the way I want Uechi trained then I am saying that is not Uechi. (May be I need counselling. )

What we really are saying is “that is not my Uechi." (Right Bill?)

And that I can live with.

In addition, I can disagree with YOUR Uechi and tell you why in hopes of a learning discussion, but just because you are not doing MY Uechi is really MY issue not yours.

So I may post why I disagree with YOUR Uechi and you can post why you disagree with MY Uechi but do not be so arrogant (humble remember) as to tell me I am not doing Uechi and I will endeavour to give you the same courtesy.

Anyway I have been trying to get back into the video clip game (I hope this weekend) so I have not been posting as much. Sorry about that. I have a few threads to post and some will be heavy subjects.

Jim, generally, people who trained on Okinawa are the ones who think they know what Uechi Ryu is. Someone like me doesn't get any respect because I learned Uechi Ryu from a Shodan of GEM's on a concrete slab in his back yard. Doesn't matter what I say about this kata movement or this sparring technique, the dweebs that trained on Okinawa will trump you.

But don't you ever get guys who have only trained in their own country who are so good that nobody can criticise their karate?.without making themselves look ridiculous Years ago when I did Goju we had a guy at our club who had only trained on his own, but just doing kickboxing, he was tremendous and eventually became British full contact champion.when he joined our club he could already whup the blackbelts...........you couldn't say to him that his karate was cr*p because he would just ask to spar with you....and re-educate you in what karate was originally all about.i.e. fighting

I've been "doing" MY Uechi, MY way, for many years. My Uechi of 1956 is not MY Uechi 2005. MY Uechi 2006 will not be the same Uechi as MY Uechi 2005.

So how can I (Or anyone) tell you how YOU are supposed to do YOUR Uechi?

I don't hear anyone on these forums trying to sell you fellows on THEIR Uechi, but man, do I hear a lot of selling about how wonderful YOUR Uechi is (even if it isn't Uechi) and how the rest of us must be . . . what???

In my estimation, having survived for 67 years is the best testimony I can give for MY Uechi.

Most of us Uechi die hards are very interested in YOUR Uechi (even if it isn't Uechi) since most of us are very open minded and don't believe OUR Uechi is a stone monument, but a dynamic and ever changing process that is very dependant on a healthy body and a sharp, ever thinking mind and an tiger-like "mindset".

Since no one read my last post, guess I'll have to make it my "tag" line:

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Yes, it would be nice if people started to proclaim that what they see others do, that is different from what they do , as. . . "That is not MY Uechi!."

On the other hand, I believe it is arrogant to say " You are wrong because you are NOT doing MY Uechi !"

However, I think the way to address these is to put what you do out there for discussion and explain why you are approaching things the way you are.

Yeah, but then you hear things like "Well it's not Uechi because I trained on okinawa" or "I've got friends all over the world and none of them do it that way". So much for an intelligent discussion...

That's pretty well it.
The other intermediate Kata were introduced later, the various drills and kumites as well, and they flesh out most of the in-common training one MIGHT find if visiting another Dojo, but not necessarily.
Some teachers have other drills for training the techniques which are improvements on the original drills or emphasise a different application of them.
I don't think it's really any drills or exercise that define the style, I see it as the core components I listed above.
I'd be happy in any school that focused on that, and condsider it "Uechi."

As a matter of fact there's so much variation in form just in my town, from school to school, that the differences in training are obvious.

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