tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post334824988193609749..comments2015-03-03T11:29:30.577-05:00Comments on Womanist Musings: Can You Spot The Dirty Girl?Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-87493735826525823002013-04-04T10:54:56.209-04:002013-04-04T10:54:56.209-04:00[url=http://buynolvadexonlineone.com/#rbzwo]nolvad...[url=http://buynolvadexonlineone.com/#rbzwo]nolvadex without prescription[/url] - <a href="http://buynolvadexonlineone.com/#pmpks" rel="nofollow">buy nolvadex online</a> , http://buynolvadexonlineone.com/#izwob nolvadex 20 mgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-51802925279115972932013-03-03T03:10:16.549-05:002013-03-03T03:10:16.549-05:00[url=http://buyviagrapremiumpharmacy.com/#iwgpo]vi...[url=http://buyviagrapremiumpharmacy.com/#iwgpo]viagra online[/url] - <a href="http://buyviagrapremiumpharmacy.com/#hhgam" rel="nofollow">buy viagra online</a> , http://buyviagrapremiumpharmacy.com/#myvko buy viagra onlineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-77775904918251855832013-03-02T21:23:36.396-05:002013-03-02T21:23:36.396-05:00[url=http://buycialispremiumpharmacy.com/#zwonr]bu...[url=http://buycialispremiumpharmacy.com/#zwonr]buy cialis[/url] - <a href="http://buycialispremiumpharmacy.com/#ycynt" rel="nofollow">buy cheap cialis</a> , http://buycialispremiumpharmacy.com/#fvtiy buy cialisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-67894095865035136372008-09-28T13:40:00.000-04:002008-09-28T13:40:00.000-04:00This is slightly unrelated, but I have a question....This is slightly unrelated, but I have a question.<BR/><BR/>Some days ago I talked to my girlfriend (it is a long-distance relationship), and she told me that earlier that day she and three friends got naked and ran out to shower in the rain. Two of them were boys. She said it was just something impulsive and fun. But somehow it wasn't very fun for me. I got angry and told her that this is not okAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-30682676484701336392008-09-23T15:06:00.000-04:002008-09-23T15:06:00.000-04:00I don't know, my aunt is like that too.We went out...I don't know, my aunt is like that too.<BR/>We went out on a shopping trip one day , and she saw a very pregnant young woman who was wearing a fitted shirt. She said "back in the day we would have been ashamed". I'm thinking "Ashamed to be pregnant? Why should she be ashamed? Is her body...." <BR/>The older I get the more I realize we have no real freedom in this country!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-38983489516211425572008-09-21T23:32:00.000-04:002008-09-21T23:32:00.000-04:00I am appalled at the ignorance of the comments in ...I am appalled at the ignorance of the comments in response to this post (and many of your other hard-hitting posts). <BR/><BR/>I agree on all counts and I especially like your analysis of the bar ads and drinking. It was defiantly sexist, but at the end of the day, female agency is what matters.whatilikehttp://whatilike.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-23968780512453304012008-09-20T19:17:00.000-04:002008-09-20T19:17:00.000-04:00@ANON you are for female agency and yet you can us...@ANON you are for female agency and yet you can use terms like slut...niceReneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-62231109699713880822008-09-20T18:36:00.000-04:002008-09-20T18:36:00.000-04:00As a female, I think a lot of this is ridiculous.P...As a female, I think a lot of this is ridiculous.<BR/>People should be able to dress as they please- if they want to look slutty, they can look slutty.<BR/>As for that bar, they made a legitimate business move. No one is being forced to do anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-16587303397460661552008-09-20T11:57:00.000-04:002008-09-20T11:57:00.000-04:00(That is to say that such objectification is one s...(That is to say that such objectification is one structural underpinning of rape. The alternet article linked to above addresses other sides of this.)T Bhttp://tobanblack.net/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-81644521863963820842008-09-20T11:52:00.000-04:002008-09-20T11:52:00.000-04:00I generally am in agreement with you, but I also a...I generally am in agreement with you, but I also am going to point out that questions about responsibility are more complicated -<BR/><BR/>When women wear mini-skirts and other revealing clothing they do bear some responsibility when men glance at them. Staring is another matter; forms of harassment (let alone violence) are another matter; but the women are drawing attention to themselves, so T Bhttp://tobanblack.net/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-15115338698051633722008-09-20T11:46:00.000-04:002008-09-20T11:46:00.000-04:00Here's a relevant article -http://www.alternet.org...Here's a relevant article -<BR/><A HREF="http://www.alternet.org/asoldierspeaks/98603/why_soldiers_rape/" REL="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/asoldierspeaks/98603/why_soldiers_rape/</A><BR/><BR/>Although women are complicitous inasmuch as they don't challenge those structural underpinnings of rape, I still think that men are should be held fully responsible for acts of rape and other violence T Bhttp://tobanblack.net/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-60328726798736104212008-09-19T16:54:00.000-04:002008-09-19T16:54:00.000-04:00opportunity does not equal rapist. I think that yo...<I>opportunity does not equal rapist. I think that you give men no credit by making that statement.</I><BR/><BR/>Right. 0 desire results in 0 crime for all values of opportunity. That's why I made the relation multiplicative instead of additive, as the more common phrasing goes.<BR/><BR/><I>I for one will not ever stand up for the rights, of say, Paris Hilton, even if she were victimized.</I><BR/ARhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09695255436104873832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-4328512729472016742008-09-19T11:18:00.000-04:002008-09-19T11:18:00.000-04:00Renee, this is a great post that I appreciate very...Renee, this is a great post that I appreciate very much, even though some of your commenters seem very willing to blame victims/devalue men into crazed animals...both of which are wrong.<BR/><BR/>And to Anon up there: All rape is about power, regardless of the perpetrator. It is about the power of the rapist to get what they want from someone who is not willing to give it freely. It applies to Ameliahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10884754298018500343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-73107356886879257312008-09-19T11:13:00.000-04:002008-09-19T11:13:00.000-04:00Do you think women wearing jeans don't get harras...Do you think women wearing jeans don't get harrassed or assaulted? It has absolutely nothing to do with what a women wears or does and everything to do with the fact that she's a woman and society has conditioned it's males to think less of her....an sadly some of it's females as wellmzbitcahttp://mzbitca.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-38423841490999574662008-09-19T10:59:00.000-04:002008-09-19T10:59:00.000-04:00**I for one will not ever stand up for the rights,...**I for one will not ever stand up for the rights, of say, Paris Hilton, even if she were victimized. And that, is the saddest commentary I can make, as another woman.**<BR/><BR/>So in your eyes only SOME women are worth protecting? Those whom you consider "slutty" aren't? If you reread the scenarios that Renee posted then it's easy to understand what's so dangerous; it leads to that kind of eternal-llamahttp://eternal-llama.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-70644122887076781892008-09-19T10:40:00.000-04:002008-09-19T10:40:00.000-04:00This issue links to current talk in California abo...This issue links to current talk in California about rules regarding school attire. Often these debates are framed in the way the mini-skirt debate is above -- females need to cover up so males have the chance to learn rather than being distracted. It's the same argument as "men cannot manage to ogle a woman and drive safely." This line of argument as you note in your closing paragraph reifies professorwhatifhttp://professorwhatif.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-32305340064179645762008-09-19T10:00:00.000-04:002008-09-19T10:00:00.000-04:00As long as woman themselves continue to propagate ...As long as woman themselves continue to propagate scenarios in which they will most likely suffer indecencies at the hands of whomever wishes them ill, then we will always have this debate about sexual/physical freedom versus personal rights/protection. When we have so many public sources of blatant misuse and overexposure of the female body, I think it will be difficult to convince anyone that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-5602590100778156082008-09-19T06:26:00.000-04:002008-09-19T06:26:00.000-04:00Renee, I agree completely.AR, your point seems to ...Renee, I agree completely.<BR/><BR/>AR, your point seems to be that women can take precautions to reduce the chances of being raped. Nobody is going to disagree with you, but you need to understand that being forced to worry about such things is one facet of oppression. Renee's dismissal of the role of alcohol was meant to emphasize that the only person responsible for a rape is the rapist.Jack Valentinehttp://jackvalentine.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-61039934637301107032008-09-19T03:43:00.000-04:002008-09-19T03:43:00.000-04:00While I understand that rape is sometimes about po...While I understand that rape is sometimes about power over women, I wonder, what does rape symbolise when a woman does it to a man? Or a man to a man? Etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-37556669236716734162008-09-19T03:06:00.000-04:002008-09-19T03:06:00.000-04:00@AR opportunity does not equal rapist. I think tha...@AR opportunity does not equal rapist. I think that you give men no credit by making that statement.Reneehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16388113393817266374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3486177601646533834.post-79996293553857263942008-09-19T02:32:00.000-04:002008-09-19T02:32:00.000-04:00This amounts to pimping of womens bodies for profi...<I>This amounts to pimping of womens bodies for profit.</I><BR/><BR/>As opposed to pimping for charity?<BR/><BR/>Considering how "pimping" implies a degree of coercion, I must object to the use of the phrase to refer to ultimately consensual arrangements while we still live in a world where <B>real</B> pimps continue to operate. If this can indeed be called pimping, I must say it's one the ARhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09695255436104873832noreply@blogger.com