<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><div>On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Rick Moen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Quoting Paul Ward (<a href="mailto:dssstrkl@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:dssstrkl@gmail.com">dssstrkl@gmail.com</a></a>):<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Actually, I think that's quite obviously false -- your "unity" is my<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">my "dumb inflexibility solely to cater to people unwilling to learn<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">anything new" -- but good luck with that. (I remember the sheer<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">irritation value of dealing with visiting Apple "Human Interface<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Guidelines" inspectors, when I worked at a cross-platform development<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">house, back in the day.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">And that's why Linux isn't a mainstream OS.<br></blockquote><br>And with that remark, you ignore the point yet again </div></blockquote><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><br></div><div class="AppleOriginalContents">OK, my fault for not breaking your paragraphs more ruthlessly. I was referring to your first statement, specifically the "n00bs r dum" tone of it and ignoring the rest.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>-- and I'm not even<br>counting the fact that Linux did not even _exist_ at that time: Apple's<br>HIG inspectors had insisted, among other things, that $FIRM could not ship<br>cross-platform screen fonts with the MacOS version of our database<br>product, fonts that had the same metrics did as their counterpart fonts<br>that we shipped with our MS-Windows, MacOS, HP-UX, and Solaris-based<br>kits, because that would technically violate various thumbsucking tiny<br>details of the Apple HIG spec of that day.<br><br>The one overwhelmingly important fact in that situation, that the primary<br>attraction of our entire product to the marketplace was to have 100%<br>identical operations anywhere using a multiplatform runtime, and that<br>they could not expect to drag three other major operating systems into<br>lockstep compliance with theirs, was completely lost on them.<br></div></blockquote><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><br></div><div class="AppleOriginalContents">Sorry, but an anecdote about Apple's HIG people acting like douchebags 20 years ago doesn't really have any bearing on why it would be a good idea to foster greater UI and experience consistency TODAY. Clearly some things have changed in the last 20 years and Apple is not as concerned with the HIG, since they let this on the iphone app store: <a href="http://www.stevenscreek.com/iPhone/triplog.htm"><a href="http://www.stevenscreek.com/iPhone/triplog.htm">http://www.stevenscreek.com/iPhone/triplog.htm</a></a></div><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><br></div><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite">A PC is a communications tool, adding machine and entertainment toy. <br></blockquote><br>Aha: Doesn't comprehend the phrase "general-purpose device" -- check.</div></blockquote><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><br></div><div class="AppleOriginalContents">Right back at you: a motor vehicle *can't* be used for one or more basic purposes?</div><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><blockquote type="cite">And your ass-tastic response [yada yada...]<br></blockquote><br>OK, we're done. You'll need to talk to procmail, going forward.<br></div></blockquote><div class="AppleOriginalContents"><br></div><div class="AppleOriginalContents">You started being rude first, bro.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>_______________________________________________<br>sf-lug mailing list<br><a href="mailto:sf-lug@linuxmafia.com"><a href="mailto:sf-lug@linuxmafia.com">sf-lug@linuxmafia.com</a></a><br><a href="http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug">http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Paul Ward</div><div><a href="mailto:dssstrkl@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:dssstrkl@gmail.com">dssstrkl@gmail.com</a></a></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div><div></div></body></html>