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Weekend Discussion Thread 04/27-30/2012

Weekend Discussion Thread:

reposting a few of the warnings:

Salem's warning from last week:

Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.

Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.

We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.

Thank you,Salem

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Please keep discussion focused on what has been presented in testimony and remember to link up as the partial publication ban is still in place

Some have suggested that the defense will use EOA or whatever the acronym is for that gang, as a possible defense.

Can you please explain how? I must be missing something because I find it totally irrelevant to this trial. Even if the accused child killer is a gang member, how does that justify kidnapping, raping and murdering an innocent defenseless little girl?

Some have suggested that the defense will use EOA or whatever the acronym is for that gang, as a possible defense.

Can you please explain how? I must be missing something because I find it totally irrelevant to this trial. Even if the accused child killer is a gang member, how does that justify kidnapping, raping and murdering an innocent defenseless little girl?

The term EOA was first brought up in TLM's journal. Defence has brought up EOA in his cross 2 times....I feel there is more to come. JMO

I realize that but wondering what possible defense could there be involving a gang? Are they going to say MR wasn't there and it was a gang member? OR it was gang initiation week and TLM was the ring master and MR had to prove himself?

I honestly don't see where he could go with this theory, if that's what he plans on doing. That is why I asked what people thought his strategy could possibly be.

I realize that but wondering what possible defense could there be involving a gang? Are they going to say MR wasn't there and it was a gang member? OR it was gang initiation week and TLM was the ring master and MR had to prove himself?

I honestly don't see where he could go with this theory, if that's what he plans on doing. That is why I asked what people thought his strategy could possibly be.

Well, someone in the previous thread alluded to Shipway possibly being in one of the shots at the Gallery Cinemas. I'm not sure if either Shipway or TLM were actually EOA members at all. They were friends. They both wore the colors/bandanas in some profile photos online. If TLM was an associate of EOA, Derstine didn't ask her about that. Shipway was headed for trouble and she was involved in a major crime, along with two other people. This is spin. JMO

Well, someone in the previous thread alluded to Shipway possibly being in one of the shots at the Gallery Cinemas. I'm not sure if either Shipway or TLM were actually EOA members at all. They were friends. They both wore the colors/bandanas in some profile photos online. If TLM was an associate of EOA, Derstine didn't ask her about that. Shipway was headed for trouble and she was involved in a major crime, along with two other people. This is spin. JMO

Thanks matou. I figured it was a spin. I don't see how it relates to this trial and if Derstine will be allowed to bring that in without evidence as it relates to his client, I'll be p'd off - yet again! TLM is not the one on trial. His client is.

<modsnip>. Since I am not from that province and it is the general area of that crime it could be likely related to someone on this site due to my own lack of diligence in keeping private info...private. I post this to remind people to be diligent. JMO It is a common sense deduction to me as I use the internet for rarely other programs but this one, rarely fb and weather type stuff. MOO

Last edited by Salem; 04-27-2012 at 11:59 AM.

As always, JMO

Evil is; as evil does.

Prayers for Jun Lin, his family and those that love him.

Justice is patient, relentless in its pursuit and is on the march for Justin Lin....

Some have suggested that the defense will use EOA or whatever the acronym is for that gang, as a possible defense.

Can you please explain how? I must be missing something because I find it totally irrelevant to this trial. Even if the accused child killer is a gang member, how does that justify kidnapping, raping and murdering an innocent defenseless little girl?

Wondergirl, I was thinking something like that too. Could the "drug debt" be to the gang, not TLM? And they will imply TLM was doing the dirty work of the gang by kidnapping and killing VS? If so, I wonder how they could prove this? And somehow that TLM was just using MR because he was a dumb sap for a ride, and implicating him for rape? I could see that being the strategy they use. But of course to me, I would have to wonder WHY he didn't react differently after the fact if this was the case.

I believe the defence has put themselves in a position where they must present evidence. If I were a juror, throwing a ridiculous defence theory out there is not enough to create REASONABLE doubt. JMO

I agree.

If the Defense does not call evidence, the jury will be left scratching their heads, and convict him on everything, IMO. Derstine can't just call it a wash, as if to say the Crown has nothing. Clearly the Crown has alot.

If the Defense does call evidence, I really don't see how they can get around not putting Rafferty on the stand, unless someone is stepping up for him with an alibi. He is the only one who can attest to all these suggestions about what really happened, and testify against TLM's credibility on her version of events.

The Crown has shown with all the hard, corroborating evidence, that TLM's version of events is exactly what happened that day, IMO.

The Crown has also shown with all the witnesses it presented, that not only was Rafferty NOT horrified by what he did, he clearly went out of his way to hide evidence of what he did.

I don't know if he will get up there or not, the odds show he will not, but, for some reason I just think that he will.