What? .....You mean he is starting for the super bowl runner up SF 49ers

Just shows that the previous regimes had no idea what kind of talent they had. Moore is another name to add to the list of players who played better after they left this team. That list includes Donald Thomas, Wade Smith, Samson Satele, Erik Walden, Rob Ninkovich, and Kevin Vickerson.

What? .....You mean he is starting for the super bowl runner up SF 49ers

Just shows that the previous regimes had no idea what kind of talent they had. Moore is another name to add to the list of players who played better after they left this team. That list includes Donald Thomas, Wade Smith, Samson Satele, Erik Walden, Rob Ninkovich, and Kevin Vickerson.

Nothing very special there.....There is a guy playing for the Jets though, A ffield stretcher that could come in handy on 3rd down

What? .....You mean he is starting for the super bowl runner up SF 49ers

Just shows that the previous regimes had no idea what kind of talent they had. Moore is another name to add to the list of players who played better after they left this team. That list includes Donald Thomas, Wade Smith, Samson Satele, Erik Walden, Rob Ninkovich, and Kevin Vickerson.

Ironically enough, our WRs are developing and so is RT. Hmmmmm....Ironically Moore is "starting" with Collin Kapernick throwing him the ball. QBs make the WRs better than they are? Or do the WRs make the QB? I'll take the former.

i said before last preseason..that would be 11...nobody said anything about 2013and yes odrick who plays tackle some has been very average.......if wake had 11 sacks the next 3 years he would be gone

You made two separate comments. The first was "Patriots were close to benching him last preseason" and the other was "11 sacks in 3 years, JAG" ...... nowhere did you say you were meaning in all the seasons prior to last year.

Regardless, you get to randomly select which years we choose to focus on statistically and omit his best season? LOL

He clearly isn't a JAG on that squad. His teammates consider him a defensive leader and he's put up better numbers than Ellerbe, Wheeler, and Misi.

Also, anyone watching Odrick knows he's not "just another guy". In the 3-4 defense he did exactly as he was asked to do, which was eat up blockers and stuff the run. In the 4-3 defense he's playing out of position at the DE spot. When he moves inside he's pretty darn effective and is the very reason we haven't forked over a long term deal to Randy Starks.

Just shows that the previous regimes had no idea what kind of talent they had. Moore is another name to add to the list of players who played better after they left this team. That list includes Donald Thomas, Wade Smith, Samson Satele, Erik Walden, Rob Ninkovich, and Kevin Vickerson.

i said before last preseason..that would be 11...nobody said anything about 2013and yes odrick who plays tackle some has been very average.......if wake had 11 sacks the next 3 years he would be gone

You made two separate comments. The first was "Patriots were close to benching him last preseason" and the other was "11 sacks in 3 years, JAG" ...... nowhere did you say you were meaning in all the seasons prior to last year.

Regardless, you get to randomly select which years we choose to focus on statistically and omit his best season? LOL

He clearly isn't a JAG on that squad. His teammates consider him a defensive leader and he's put up better numbers than Ellerbe, Wheeler, and Misi.

Also, anyone watching Odrick knows he's not "just another guy". In the 3-4 defense he did exactly as he was asked to do, which was eat up blockers and stuff the run. In the 4-3 defense he's playing out of position at the DE spot. When he moves inside he's pretty darn effective and is the very reason we haven't forked over a long term deal to Randy Starks.

A player's caliber is determined by more than his sack total.

That's correct last preseason. That was before last season..11 sacks in three years..Not very good for a full time starter. Thats not random selection" before last preseason.. there was alot of talk of an upgrade around here.

And Odrick has done nothing special yet...I think he is ready to have a good year but he has been overpaid so far ..Every team has one.

Ninkovich is a beast for the Patriots. He played well here in preseason and they never gave the guy a shot.

he is a jag...put in position to succeed...they were close to benching him last preseason

Never heard this news. Just like I never heard Eli Manning was gonna be traded.

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Chandler Jones excelled as a 4-3 defensive end before an ankle injury slowed him down. Before that, he showed an impressive amount of strength and agility in creating pressure on the quarterback.

Rob Ninkovich, Jamie Collins or Michael Buchanan could be filling the spot on the other side. They are all around the same size, and although Ninkovich came up big in spots, consistent pressure was an issue for the Patriots last year.

That's correct last preseason. That was before last season..11 sacks in three years..Not very good for a full time starter. Thats not random selection" before last preseason.. there was alot of talk of an upgrade around here.

And Odrick has done nothing special yet...I think he is ready to have a good year but he has been overpaid so far ..Every team has one.

FYI Odrick has started 19 games out of the last 32...jag

Oh yes, that's random selection to support an argument alright .... let's examine his stats over the last 4 years to show the stark improvement he's made every year since he's been starting:

The guy has done nothing but improve and become an IMPACT player since 2009. As I stated before, NONE of our LB's can sport stats like that .... and we talk about sacks/turnovers a lot on this site when it comes to what our defense has been missing.

As for you Odrick comment, you continue to split hairs with words. First it was he's a JAG and then you add he's done nothing special yet ..... I never once mentioned anything about him doing "special" things, few players in this league are special anyways. So either you're special or just a JAG??

Your entire definition of a non-JAG player clearly revolves around sacks. Players have certain roles with their teams. That would be like saying Paul Soliai is a JAG because he gets no sacks. Btw, Odrick missed his entire rookie year with an injury. So why are you bringing up his games started?

A constantly fresh defensive line – and Wilfork’s presence alone – should make the Patriots tough to run against. Then again, they had similar resources last season and still got gouged at times (24th in yards allowed per rush). A big help will simply be having Brandon Spikes healthy for all 16 games. He is a phenomenal downhill thumper. With Spikes manning the middle, Jerod Mayo is free to roam on the perimeters, where he’s most comfortable. Mayo will likely operate on the weak side, as Rob Ninkovich is built to set the edge, which usually occurs on the strong side. Ninkovich can be superb at times and awful at others, which is why the Patriots may groom Hightower for the outside

That's correct last preseason. That was before last season..11 sacks in three years..Not very good for a full time starter. Thats not random selection" before last preseason.. there was alot of talk of an upgrade around here.

And Odrick has done nothing special yet...I think he is ready to have a good year but he has been overpaid so far ..Every team has one.

FYI Odrick has started 19 games out of the last 32...jag

Oh yes, that's random selection to support an argument alright .... let's examine his stats over the last 4 years to show the stark improvement he's made every year since he's been starting:

The guy has done nothing but improve and become an IMPACT player since 2009. As I stated before, NONE of our LB's can sport stats like that .... and we talk about sacks/turnovers a lot on this site when it comes to what our defense has been missing.

As for you Odrick comment, you continue to split hairs with words. First it was he's a JAG and then you add he's done nothing special yet ..... I never once mentioned anything about him doing "special" things, few players in this league are special anyways. So either you're special or just a JAG??

Your entire definition of a non-JAG player clearly revolves around sacks. Players have certain roles with their teams. That would be like saying Paul Soliai is a JAG because he gets no sacks. Btw, Odrick missed his entire rookie year with an injury. So why are you bringing up his games started?

He sucked in 09 sucked in 10 and was average in 11 and 12 big deal

Rock i didn't say anything about last year...Before last preseason..He is a Jag put in position to succeed..The Patriots play with big leads and pin there ears back alot...There pass rush has been weak in part because the don't have an elite pass rusher..

Rock i didn't say anything about last year...Before last preseason..He is a Jag put in position to succeed..The Patriots play with big leads and pin there ears back alot...There pass rush has been weak in part because the don't have an elite pass rusher..

Ninko is not elite...sorry to break that to ya

Hate to break it to you, but the argument was NEVER and has NEVER been about Ninko being elite. Tommy brought up a list of players we jettisoned who have gone on to play well for their new teams. Saying he's "not elite" does not refute Tommy's point.

Every team does the cliche thing of trying to put their players in position to succeed. That's what "systems" are about. Few players are "elite" to the point where their talent alone shines regardless of the system. Playing under that Patriots defense, Ninko has done nothing, but improve ..... this is an undeniable fact. Da'Hell do I care what he did in 2009 in his first season with the Patriots. It's about the whole body of work and how he's playing currently.

As for you Odrick comment, you continue to split hairs with words. First it was he's a JAG and then you add he's done nothing special yet ..... I never once mentioned anything about him doing "special" things, few players in this league are special anyways. So either you're special or just a JAG??

No, special a jag or you suck....But you can make up your own if you like but thats mine.

Odrick hasn't even been a starter consistanly..That is just another guy in my book..Atleast until he proves otherwise

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Your entire definition of a non-JAG player clearly revolves around sacks. Players have certain roles with their teams. That would be like saying Paul Soliai is a JAG because he gets no sacks. Btw, Odrick missed his entire rookie year with an injury. So why are you bringing up his games started?

I didn't include his below average rookie year....

And Ninko is not above average in tackles or sacks

His team lacks pass rush in large part because of him..When he is all pro give me a yell

Rock i didn't say anything about last year...Before last preseason..He is a Jag put in position to succeed..The Patriots play with big leads and pin there ears back alot...There pass rush has been weak in part because the don't have an elite pass rusher..

Ninko is not elite...sorry to break that to ya

Hate to break it to you, but the argument was NEVER and has NEVER been about Ninko being elite. Tommy brought up a list of players we jettisoned who have gone on to play well for their new teams. Saying he's "not elite" does not refute Tommy's point.

Every team does the cliche thing of trying to put their players in position to succeed. That's what "systems" are about. Few players are "elite" to the point where their talent alone shines regardless of the system. Playing under that Patriots defense, Ninko has done nothing, but improve ..... this is an undeniable fact. Da'Hell do I care what he did in 2009 in his first season with the Patriots. It's about the whole body of work and how he's playing currently.

Ya he improved to average....Great!..He is in position to succeed because he plays so much..JAG

What? .....You mean he is starting for the super bowl runner up SF 49ers

Just shows that the previous regimes had no idea what kind of talent they had. Moore is another name to add to the list of players who played better after they left this team. That list includes Donald Thomas, Wade Smith, Samson Satele, Erik Walden, Rob Ninkovich, and Kevin Vickerson.

and you watch, we'll probably cut Bumphis and he'll go on to be a star for the Patriots.

I actually think they've done wonders for Tannehill. Seeing him play against Tampa was great!

It seemed like he was more comfortable back there knowing he had 3 solid guys that could catch the ball.

I actually wondered during that game if Philbin asked him to try and get Clay the ball more... he seemed to keep trying and trying no matter how much Clay sucked, which he did... he sucked hard. Our Tight Ends will be invisible this year, no doubt. The WR's need to carry the passing game.

What? .....You mean he is starting for the super bowl runner up SF 49ers

Just shows that the previous regimes had no idea what kind of talent they had. Moore is another name to add to the list of players who played better after they left this team. That list includes Donald Thomas, Wade Smith, Samson Satele, Erik Walden, Rob Ninkovich, and Kevin Vickerson.

and you watch, we'll probably cut Bumphis and he'll go on to be a star for the Patriots.

Heck yeah guys, Moore tore it up today with not 1, not 2, but, wait for it, wait for ZERO catches. Sounds about right. BTW, I can't believe the 9ers traded a 5th or was it a 6th rd pick for that slow old WR named Boldin.