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It's okay SpiritWolfe, I think they just posted the wrong codes in their first form [for some reason they posted the gifts PolarVortex was RECEIVING instead of the gifts PolarVortex was GIVING. Hmm.] They ended up getting the correct ones in the end though so no worries ^o^'

Updated 8:50 EST | 8.30.13

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I think I'm going to change the point deduction to only if you're removing a dragon for spacial reasons, or for emergencies [like unexpected IOU's]. But in these cases, where the dragon grows up, I don't think there should be any point deduction >o<

.. Sigh I'm probably going to change the form D: I won't deduct points from you for now, sorry about that! Lemme update the main post really quick, and then I'll probably edit this again with a timestamp lol. [or not if someone posts after me >o>]

@gregregreg // I am a derp. you PM'd yourself? LOL.

Ok so technically since you already know what's inside your own gift, what would be the point of losing 20 LP? x] I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here.

Updated 1:46 EST | 8.31.13

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Who did you Gift it to? [scroll AND Forum Name]: SpiritWolfe, SpiritWolfe

New Total LP: 125

ƒrozen, as you already know, I don't need to PM myself about the +15 for my gift being de-fogged because it's my gift (and since I'm giving it away now, well, it did it's job). But, since 35 LP is taken away for de-fogging a gift, typically it would be -35 LP, right? But if your own gift gets de-fogged, you gain 15 LP, or +15 LP.

And -35 + 15 = -20.

So if you de-fog your own gift for others to see, you only lose 20, as where you're technically supposed to lose 35.

That's what I'm getting at, ƒrozen.

Edited August 31, 2013 by gregregreg

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ƒrozen, as you already know, I don't need to PM myself about the +15 for my gift being de-fogged because it's my gift (and since I'm giving it away now, well, it did it's job). But, since 35 LP is taken away for de-fogging a gift, typically it would be -35 LP, right? But if your own gift gets de-fogged, you gain 15 LP, or +15 LP.

And -35 + 15 = -20.

So if you de-fog your own gift for others to see, you only lose 20, as where you're technically supposed to lose 35.

That's what I'm getting at, ƒrozen.

-cough-

I think you misunderstood the de-fogging rules.

De-fogging only allows the de-fogger to know the contents of the gift. You would reply to their pm with details about its breed, lineage, etc. But you DO NOT unhide the actual gift unless someone requests it from you.

10. When using a de-fog, please only PM the person who owns the gift, and do not share the identity of the egg with ANYONE ELSE. If you are found sharing the info with another player, you will be fined a few LP and will be temporarily suspended from playing. If you are PM'd and asked the identity of the gift, DO NOT UNFOG THE GIFT. Simply reply with what it is, and what it's lineage looks like, etc etc. You can answer questions about it, and talk about the egg, but you can NOT unfog it. Other users are not allowed to see it unless you're removing it from the main post.

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ƒrozen, as you already know, I don't need to PM myself about the +15 for my gift being de-fogged because it's my gift (and since I'm giving it away now, well, it did it's job). But, since 35 LP is taken away for de-fogging a gift, typically it would be -35 LP, right? But if your own gift gets de-fogged, you gain 15 LP, or +15 LP.

And -35 + 15 = -20.

So if you de-fog your own gift for others to see, you only lose 20, as where you're technically supposed to lose 35.

That's what I'm getting at, ƒrozen.

I'm so sorry if I was unclear about this >o< Maybe I should've gone into more depth in the update, but.. De-fogging does not /really/ mean de-fog. What it does is give you a free pass to PM a player and ASK about the gift. What it is. What gen is it. How is it's lineage composed? And you guys can basically just go back and forth and ask/answer questions each of you have until the person who de-fogged the gift is satisfied. Lol.

At no point in time do you actually de-fog the egg or hatchling. And if at any point the person who had their egg or hatchling De-fogged LIES about it, then of course they'll be penalized. But that can be proven rather easily afterwards, and if you want further proof via PM, you can always ask them to PM to you a screenshot of the full dragcave webpage of the fogged egg or hatchling, which shows how long it has till it dies, AND the description of the egg. Which is pretty much proof of what it is.

But yeah basically no one else is supposed to know. Once the PM ends, it's basically just between you and the person who owns the gift.

Sorry if I confused you with all that ^^' Please PM me if you have any more questions about it.

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*Note: Guys seriously someone take my gift already why hasn't anyone taken it yet???? x] I neeeed space and that poor little mystery gift is about ready to be put in the ER.