Genevieve Marie:Pretty much. No one noted that the boys looked muscular and healthy as well.

Well, most of the boys we saw either were from wealthy districts that had been preparing them as tributes. The male lead was from a family that ran a bakery, and her other friend at the beginning of the movie was a hunter AND had volunteered his name multiple times to increase his family's food allotment.

Fano:Also, she takes a liking to the main character for absolutely zero reason that anyone can fathom. I mean, she really likes dick, from anyone that can give it to her, and she stalks him, no matter how much he tries to chase her off.

Hey, this happened to me. Ended up being the Best. Summer. Ever.Chick was totally crazy, though.

My wife went to school with a guy who was extremely high functioning Downs. To talk to him, if it wasn't for his speech impediment and obvious look you'd never know he has a learning disability at all. He'll talk football with you, quote stats and strategy, talk politics, and it makes more sense than half the stuff I read on Fark.

At the ten year reunion, we were all sitting around the table while my wife and her cousin (both were class officers) handed out name tags and seating cards. When Rob came up, everyone said hello, and my wife's cousin, somehow, combined the words "Name Tag" and "Card" and said "Here's your name tard, and your seating card."

Everyone went deathly silent, Rob seemingly not noticing while he put on his name tag and talked to his escort (he still couldn't drive), until he looked up and said "Wow, that was the worst talking mistake I've heard in a while. I'm going to have to tell my friends about that." He then walked away chuckling.

pciszek:Genevieve Marie: Pretty much. No one noted that the boys looked muscular and healthy as well.

Well, most of the boys we saw either were from wealthy districts that had been preparing them as tributes. The male lead was from a family that ran a bakery, and her other friend at the beginning of the movie was a hunter AND had volunteered his name multiple times to increase his family's food allotment.

She was also a hunter and had volunteered her name to increase her family's food allotment.

angrycrank:pciszek: Genevieve Marie: Pretty much. No one noted that the boys looked muscular and healthy as well.

Well, most of the boys we saw either were from wealthy districts that had been preparing them as tributes. The male lead was from a family that ran a bakery, and her other friend at the beginning of the movie was a hunter AND had volunteered his name multiple times to increase his family's food allotment.

She was also a hunter and had volunteered her name to increase her family's food allotment.

Further, hunters eat. A starved hunter can't hunt; there's a dilemma attached to being a hunter in a food-starved region. The hunters have to prioritize themselves just to have the energy for another chance to get more food for the group. Plus just by doing the hunting, she had access to more food than a lot in her district.

BarkingUnicorn:Guys "love" Jen because she's vulnerable and that stirs the predator in them.

She's a good person, but she has obvious inferiority/insecurity issues. Ripe for the picking.

Maybe some guys do, I like her because she seems doesn't seem vulnerable. Every story about her seems to paint the picture of a woman who's fairly well adjusted and doesn't need her hand held through the simplest things. You get to a point where that is damn sexy.

Her publicist has achieved a performance surpassing any actor's performance. Her publicist actually got the "friends with a retard" story planted. That is how the pros play. There were champagne bottles uncorked when this story got picked up. Public relations is truly the dark arts.

Shadowknight:My wife went to school with a guy who was extremely high functioning Downs. To talk to him, if it wasn't for his speech impediment and obvious look you'd never know he has a learning disability at all. He'll talk football with you, quote stats and strategy, talk politics, and it makes more sense than half the stuff I read on Fark.

He was probably mosaic Downs--sometime after conception, one cell ended up with 47 chromosomes due to a flubbed division, resulting in a person with 46 chromosomes in some cells and 47 in others. You can be very high functioning if you are only a little bit Downs.

angrycrank:She was also a hunter and had volunteered her name to increase her family's food allotment.

True, that was the rationale for her not being a hollywood anorexic bonebag, but I thought her character looked too clean, healthy, and well-dressed for me to believe that she had lived a life of hardship.

Bubbacus:There was nudity in The Hunger Games book which was not in the movie. I particulary wanted to see the :"waxing scene." Plus, one of the ladies walked around naked to psyche out the competitors.

Those scenes were essential to the plot!

/Need to reread the book.//In my my bunk.

Johanna, the naked-walking lady, is from the second book. It's not too late! But I suspect that Francis Lawrence will make the same choice Gary Ross did, strip out any hint of sex in exchange for being able to push the violence to the very limits of PG-13 acceptability.

No one said she was fat, people said she was to large to play someone damn near staved to death.

I agreed with those people.

Isn't it funny that Hollywood only seems to care about casting someone "physically appropriate" for a role when the character is supposed to be a skinny white female?

The Machinist?

Thanks for covering that for me. I would post the picture but it just so damn nasty

Genevieve Marie:Pretty much. No one noted that the boys looked muscular and healthy as well.

Well she was the star of the show and the main face of the publicity. Peeta shouldn't be to emaciated and Gale doesn't really have more than a few lines in the first movie. So I dont see why anyone would be commenting about them.

Yes, she clearly befriended the kid in middle school and kept the relationship going for ten years or so on the off chance that she became famous and would be able to use it as a cheap publicity stunt.

Either that, or maybe you are both cynical and not terribly bright. One of the two.

pciszek:angrycrank: She was also a hunter and had volunteered her name to increase her family's food allotment.

True, that was the rationale for her not being a hollywood anorexic bonebag, but I thought her character looked too clean, healthy, and well-dressed for me to believe that she had lived a life of hardship.

I don't think she was cast because of her physique either. She had wanted to play Katniss since reading the book, so I'm guessing she did a great audition and was chosen because of that and/or her performance in Winter's Bone, even though she didn't match some people's conception of what the character should look like. I agree with Genevieve Marie - it was interesting that the complaints about actors not being physically "right" for their parts were directed at Lawrence (and at the girl who played Rue by people pissed off that she was black) and not at the male actors.

angrycrank:I agree with Genevieve Marie - it was interesting that the complaints about actors not being physically "right" for their parts were directed at Lawrence (and at the girl who played Rue by people pissed off that she was black) and not at the male actors.

Eh, it's not like it doesn't happen with male actors. Lots of comic geeks bashed the choice of casting Hugh Jackman as Wolverine prior to the movies coming out because Wolverine is supposed to be short and stocky, not tall and fit. Itty bitty Michael Keaton was laughed at for being cast as Batman, too, until it turned out to be one of the better comic movies of its time. Tom Cruise has been bashed as being a bad fit for Jack Reacher, who is supposed to be big and rugged. And so on.

No one said she was fat, people said she was to large to play someone damn near staved to death.

I agreed with those people.

Isn't it funny that Hollywood only seems to care about casting someone "physically appropriate" for a role when the character is supposed to be a skinny white female?

And she said she didn't feel comfortable going with the emaciated look, because she didn't want to have girls saying that they want to look 'like Katniss' and develop eating disorders. She's classy and conscious of her power over teen girls.

angrycrank:I don't think she was cast because of her physique either. She had wanted to play Katniss since reading the book, so I'm guessing she did a great audition and was chosen because of that and/or her performance in Winter's Bone, even though she didn't match some people's conception of what the character should look like. I agree with Genevieve Marie - it was interesting that the complaints about actors not being physically "right" for their parts were directed at Lawrence (and at the girl who played Rue by people pissed off that she was black) and not at the male actors.

Which was really sad actually- a pretty good example of how white privilege works. People were appalled that Rue was black, because they automatically pictured her in their minds as white- but all of the physical descriptions of her in the book make it pretty clear that she's black.

And yes- no one seemed to mind that Gale was strong and muscular, and he and Katniss basically had access to the same amount of food, since they hunted together and shared everything.

Also? I think it's a bit unreasonable to think that an actress should have to develop an eating disorder and get down to an unhealthy weight to play a character- especially when the character they're playing is a hero to teenage girls.

No one said she was fat, people said she was to large to play someone damn near staved to death.

I agreed with those people.

Isn't it funny that Hollywood only seems to care about casting someone "physically appropriate" for a role when the character is supposed to be a skinny white female?

The Machinist?

Thanks for covering that for me. I would post the picture but it just so damn nasty

Genevieve Marie: Pretty much. No one noted that the boys looked muscular and healthy as well.

Well she was the star of the show and the main face of the publicity. Peeta shouldn't be to emaciated and Gale doesn't really have more than a few lines in the first movie. So I dont see why anyone would be commenting about them.

What the heck does Christian Bale deciding to lose a lot of weight for a role he already had have to do with critics complaining that Jennifer Lawrence was too fat to play Katniss? The simple fact is, Hollywood and the media never biatch about male actors being "too fat" for a role. The only time you hear that is when the role is pretty, white, and female.

Oh, and just to counter the "b-b-but Rue!" and similar comments, I am talking about what the entertainment industry has to say about casting. Nobody gives a rat's ass what JoeBlow69 blogged about how horrible it was when they cast Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. The entertainment industry is the source of the "Larwence wasn't skinny enough" comments, not some random dipshiat on Twitter.

Teufelaffe:Oh, and just to counter the "b-b-but Rue!" and similar comments, I am talking about what the entertainment industry has to say about casting. Nobody gives a rat's ass what JoeBlow69 blogged about how horrible it was when they cast Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. The entertainment industry is the source of the "Larwence wasn't skinny enough" comments, not some random dipshiat on Twitter.

Here's a newsflash hotshot: people are cast in large part due to their looks, so weight is an entirely relevant topic when discussing casting choices. As far as "what the entertainment industry has to say", well, if you aren't in the casting session then you really don't know what they have to say, do you?

downtownkid:Teufelaffe: Oh, and just to counter the "b-b-but Rue!" and similar comments, I am talking about what the entertainment industry has to say about casting. Nobody gives a rat's ass what JoeBlow69 blogged about how horrible it was when they cast Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. The entertainment industry is the source of the "Larwence wasn't skinny enough" comments, not some random dipshiat on Twitter.

Here's a newsflash hotshot: people are cast in large part due to their looks, so weight is an entirely relevant topic when discussing casting choices. As far as "what the entertainment industry has to say", well, if you aren't in the casting session then you really don't know what they have to say, do you?

Jennifer Lawrence is thin and in fantastic shape. The dialogue about women's bodies has gotten positively toxic when one of the most attractive women in the world is still considered too fat for a role. The idea that someone emaciated and unhealthy was required to play the role of Katniss was bullshiat.

And the "entertainment industry" is not limited to the people in that casting session. It also includes professional movie critics and entertainment journalists, and this toxic opinion on Jennifer Lawrence's body was promoted by several of them as well.

downtownkid:Teufelaffe: Oh, and just to counter the "b-b-but Rue!" and similar comments, I am talking about what the entertainment industry has to say about casting. Nobody gives a rat's ass what JoeBlow69 blogged about how horrible it was when they cast Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. The entertainment industry is the source of the "Larwence wasn't skinny enough" comments, not some random dipshiat on Twitter.

Here's a newsflash hotshot: people are cast in large part due to their looks, so weight is an entirely relevant topic when discussing casting choices. As far as "what the entertainment industry has to say", well, if you aren't in the casting session then you really don't know what they have to say, do you?

Are you seriously this dense? Nobody said that weight wasn't relevant for that role, just that Hollywood only publicly cares about weight when it's a pretty white female.

Hate to break it to you but the entertainment industry is, in fact, sexist. That's why in interviews actors get asked questions about the nature of their roles and acting methods, and actresses get asked what their diet is or whether or not they wore underwear under their costume. It's why female characters in the vast majority of movies only talk about the male characters, while the male characters get to talk about just about anything else.

Think for a moment...you're white-knighting Hollywood, ffs. The only group you'll find more corrupt and misogynistic in this county is Congress.

Teufelaffe:downtownkid: Teufelaffe: Oh, and just to counter the "b-b-but Rue!" and similar comments, I am talking about what the entertainment industry has to say about casting. Nobody gives a rat's ass what JoeBlow69 blogged about how horrible it was when they cast Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. The entertainment industry is the source of the "Larwence wasn't skinny enough" comments, not some random dipshiat on Twitter.

Here's a newsflash hotshot: people are cast in large part due to their looks, so weight is an entirely relevant topic when discussing casting choices. As far as "what the entertainment industry has to say", well, if you aren't in the casting session then you really don't know what they have to say, do you?

Are you seriously this dense? Nobody said that weight wasn't relevant for that role, just that Hollywood only publicly cares about weight when it's a pretty white female.

Hate to break it to you but the entertainment industry is, in fact, sexist. That's why in interviews actors get asked questions about the nature of their roles and acting methods, and actresses get asked what their diet is or whether or not they wore underwear under their costume. It's why female characters in the vast majority of movies only talk about the male characters, while the male characters get to talk about just about anything else.

Think for a moment...you're white-knighting Hollywood, ffs. The only group you'll find more corrupt and misogynistic in this county is Congress.

Not wite knighting Hollywood, just pointing out the idiocy of your statement. The industry is cruel to everyone, not just women. How many parts has Brandon Frasier been cast in since he started going bald? If you think the stupid questions are limited to females then youve never been on a press junket. Complaining about lookism in an industry based on looks is the height of stupidity.

Genevieve Marie:downtownkid: Teufelaffe: Oh, and just to counter the "b-b-but Rue!" and similar comments, I am talking about what the entertainment industry has to say about casting. Nobody gives a rat's ass what JoeBlow69 blogged about how horrible it was when they cast Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. The entertainment industry is the source of the "Larwence wasn't skinny enough" comments, not some random dipshiat on Twitter.

Here's a newsflash hotshot: people are cast in large part due to their looks, so weight is an entirely relevant topic when discussing casting choices. As far as "what the entertainment industry has to say", well, if you aren't in the casting session then you really don't know what they have to say, do you?

Jennifer Lawrence is thin and in fantastic shape. The dialogue about women's bodies has gotten positively toxic when one of the most attractive women in the world is still considered too fat for a role. The idea that someone emaciated and unhealthy was required to play the role of Katniss was bullshiat.

And the "entertainment industry" is not limited to the people in that casting session. It also includes professional movie critics and entertainment journalists, and this toxic opinion on Jennifer Lawrence's body was promoted by several of them as well.

If she was considered too fat for the role who did they get to play Katniss?

downtownkid:If she was considered too fat for the role who did they get to play Katniss?

You're being deliberately obtuse. She was not considered too fat for the role by the casting director. She WAS considered too fat for the role by a host of douchebag entertainment writers and movie critics.

Genevieve Marie:downtownkid: If she was considered too fat for the role who did they get to play Katniss?

You're being deliberately obtuse. She was not considered too fat for the role by the casting director. She WAS considered too fat for the role by a host of douchebag entertainment writers and movie critics.

So you extrapolate the idiocy of a few writers and critics as an indictment of the entire industry despite the fact that she did get the role, the film was enormously successful, and she followed it up with a prestige role that got her an Oscar. Got it.

downtownkid:Genevieve Marie: downtownkid: If she was considered too fat for the role who did they get to play Katniss?

You're being deliberately obtuse. She was not considered too fat for the role by the casting director. She WAS considered too fat for the role by a host of douchebag entertainment writers and movie critics.

So you extrapolate the idiocy of a few writers and critics as an indictment of the entire industry despite the fact that she did get the role, the film was enormously successful, and she followed it up with a prestige role that got her an Oscar. Got it.

I just assume that anyone who thinks Jennifer Lawrence was too fat to play Katniss didn't actually read the books, same as with anyone who thought Rue was white. Katniss mentally compares herself to the tributes from other impoverished districts and decides that she is considerably more strong and fit than they are, thanks to her hunting proficiency. She's not as muscular and well-fed as the contestants from the rich districts, but she's far from emaciated. She makes the same comparison between members of her and Gale's families with the general condition of people in District 12, noting that their families eat better than just about anyone on the poor side of town. Just because Katniss nearly starved to death when she was eleven doesn't mean that she still had to be emaciated at sixteen.

I have more sympathy for people who thought Jennifer Lawrence was too tall to play Katniss, especially with Josh Hutcherson in the Peeta role, but I think they managed to make that part work. Hutcherson was a much more unlikely Peeta than Lawrence was a Katniss.