Senator O'Byrne
- I rise only for the purpose of allowing Senator Murphy to continue his remarks.

Senator Cotton
- I am happy to intrude to make the comment that we are dealing with item 8, the rights of witnesses, standing order 390. For my own part I observe that I was once a member of the Standing Orders Committee but it was prior to the time when it did this extremely useful work. Members of the Committee are Senator Sir Kenneth Anderson, Senator Cavanagh, the President, Senator Sir Magnus Cormack, Senator Murphy himself, Senator Wilkinson, Senator Withers and Senator Wright. That is a very balanced group of honourable senators who have had some long term interest in the problems of the Senate and its Standing Orders. 1 listened with some attention to Senator Murphy because I have felt for some time - apart altogether from this discussion - that one of the great obligations on the Senate in its new manifestation of increasing committee work is not only to elicit facts which should be brought to light but also to have proper regard to the protection of those who come before, committees. Many people appear with a genuine desire to help. From time to time one has been concerned that some of these people have been unfairly represented, not by the Senate but by those people who reported upon the proceedings. This discussion is extremely valuable and I would be happy for Senator Murphy to continue.