Popcorn Johnny:How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to. Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.

jshine:Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

First, in most states, it's legal under many circumstances.Second, your analogy is flawed. It's like saying "It's illegal for felons to own guns, therefore felons should be unable to receive medical treatment if they accidentally shoot themselves with a gun."

In that circumstance the gunshot wound should be treated, obviously, but it should also be reported to the police, which is what happens. ...or parents, by analogy.

And in the real world, consensual sexual acts between same-aged teenagers are treated completely different. Different federal and state laws regulate the disclosure of such information, one of which is the dreaded HIPAA. You're talking about a legally mandated reporting event, where a crime against someone has been committed.

Outside of small good old boy towns, prosecutions of like-aged teenagers for statutory rape are rare, and state laws have been changed to reflect the fact that the justice system should not be used to punish people by proxy for their bad parenting and parental revenge. Prosecutors have better things to do with their time.

Dr. Goldshnoz:You just watch, this is going to cause crime, destroy the innocence of our children, bring the wraith of god upon us, destroy american society, and cause the further advance the women's war on men.

spman:The average 15 year old today is far too busy playing Yu Gi Oh or Call or Duty or whatever nonsense the kids are into now, to be bothered socializing with females. I know more people today ranging in age from 16-30 that aren't having sex, and couldn't find someone to have sex with even if they wanted to, than in any other time in history, and most of them don't even care and don't want to try, so the whole hormones, human nature, kids are going to be kids argument is a load of bunk.

There are some 15 year olds who are not like the average 15 year old or 16-30 that you know. The fact that you ignore the problem does not make it go away.

Infernalist:PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle. As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy. If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

This is a solid point. It bears repeating that this Plan B thing is only 'part' of a responsible approach to your sex life and shouldn't be seen as a silver bullet approach to safe sex.

In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.

Just to drive the point home, let's include a condom in every Plan B package. It won't prevent what you're trying to stop, of course, but it would associate prophylaxis with contraception.

GoldSpider:Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to. Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.

You sound a lil whiny about the fact that you might have to help your kids when they make stupid mistakes.

I am utterly disgusted by this news. Only a monstrous sociopath could look upon the above image and not recognize the sight of a precious human life whose willful termination is premeditated murder.

I'm pro-choice. So depending on who that is exactly, I would terminate it post-haste. Well, that's a bit harsh... I would at least be indifferent to its feasibility. If it was me on the other hand, I would just ask if everyone would chill out and allow the precious zygote (that will become me) turn into the mediocre human that I am now.

PistolGripPump:Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle. As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy. If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

BarkingUnicorn:Infernalist: PistolGripPump: Now, I'm not trolling nor am I trying to add to the flamewar above, and I do not have data to prove the following statement, so please be gentle. As someone who works in the STD "industry" and has seen the growth in antibiotic-resistant strains of Gonorrhea as well as new resurgence in Syphilis cases, my only concern with the OTC status of Plan B would be it leading to a decrease in use of other contraceptive methods that prevent the spread of STDs as well as pregnancy. If young people decide to use Plan B as Plan A and neglect to use other forms of contraception (it feels better without latex barriers, you know what I mean), this could be a very bad thing for our country (but job security for me?).

This is a solid point. It bears repeating that this Plan B thing is only 'part' of a responsible approach to your sex life and shouldn't be seen as a silver bullet approach to safe sex.

In short, people still need to wear condoms and be careful who they bump uglies with.

Just to drive the point home, let's include a condom in every Plan B package. It won't prevent what you're trying to stop, of course, but it would associate prophylaxis with contraception.

This actually makes sense. you should be on the phone right now to Trojan headquarters.

BarkingUnicorn:Just to drive the point home, let's include a condom in every Plan B package. It won't prevent what you're trying to stop, of course, but it would associate prophylaxis with contraception.

Popcorn Johnny:So it's not legal for a 15 year old to consent to sex, but it's just fine if she buys a morning after pill without parental permission? Not really understanding the logic behind that decision.

I'd say it works the same way as a 15-year-old is able to buy condoms.

Infernalist:I sincerely doubt that a single 15 year old out there will have any issues at all getting this if they truly want it.

They have little issue getting their hands on cigarettes and/or liquor, after all. I would suspect that the same 18+ crowd that enables their bad habits will be more than happy to help them with this, as well.

And now, a CSB from me...

A friend of mine is a pharmacy tech. He told me one day a wild eyed man ran up to the window and breathlessly shouted "I need the plan B! I need the plan B!"

/D.C. v. Heller will be overturned right after Roe v. Wade//It's over. Get over it.

In the interests of both disclosure and giving someone something to be butthurt about, I will say that I am morally opposed to abortion, but there are a few reasons why I say that I think this is a good thing:

1) It's none of my business.2) There are two things that I am sure of-there is a God, and I'm not him. I have no right to judge.3) Since this prevents implantation, it's not strictly speaking abortion.

GoldSpider:Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to. Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.

It's no skin off my ass if your kid gets a tat or a DL. But society has a strong interest in minimizing teen pregnancies. Parental consent does not stand in its way, but refusal does. So refusal has to go.

bugontherug:ontariolightning: Aboot time Americans. Plan B has no age limit in Canada and sold over the counter / on the shelves. This is the stuff that can help prevent future abortions. Great day for the

So a thirteen year old in Canada can just walk up to the pharmacy counter and buy Plan B, no questions asked?

You are seriously over thinking this, so I am going to ask you a simple question: Why would a thirteen year old girl (I assume you mean girl) buy plan B?

The answer is very simple. She buys plan B because she is sexually a active. If a thirteen year old is sexually active, buying plan B is the very least of her problems. And if your daughter is having sex at thirteen years old, you have either monumentally failed as a parent or you are a child molester. Either way, plan B is the very least of that girl's

There was a story on this a couple weeks ago that had some anecdotal reports from a pharmacy in Seattle and random women. The pharmacist said they'd order the thing and it'd just expire before anyone bought it. Women recoiled at the $40-50 price.

GoldSpider:Popcorn Johnny: How so? Parents have the right to know what their kids are doing.

See, that's just one of those things that parents today have to warm up to. Your kids have the right to hide anything they're up to from you, including medical conditions and medications they're taking, but you are still on the hook if they get themselves in legal trouble.

If my now 19 year old daughter had gotten pregnant at 15, could I have insisted (since it would have been me paying the freight for a new baby) on an abortion or adoption?

I never looked into it... I just told her she'd be moving to her mothers if she got pregnant.