then u pretty much suck at comparing identical ships. the farthest ship has wat looks like blue tarp at the stern of the ship. the middle ship has
wat looks like two white specks at two thirds from the bow at the bottom black area. the closest ship HMS Invinicble does not have ani of wat the
other two further ships have.

HMS Illustrious was rapidly fitted with phalanx, during her hasty final fitting and sea trial before setting sail for the Falklands on 2nd August, BUT
she did not original have them installed right on the front of the ship (like Invincible had on her re-fit after she returned from the Falklands and
where you suggest in you zoomed pic above, instead she had it furher back in front and to the right of her sea dart emplacement see below

therefore that cannot be the phalanx (if it is phalanx base at all) of the Illustrious as it is in the wrong position (don't worry it is easy to
confuse it with the Invincible if you are not careful).

It was only much later that that Illustrious has CIWS in that position.

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
Wrong popeye, because Invincible in 1982 never had phalanx.

The photo you show me is after 1982.

You have you eye pop you can´t see

The picture is Illustrious not Invincible and I have never said it was in 82 only it is before her re-fit when she had her CIWS upgraded and
re-positioned... Invincible had Phalanx during her re-fit after the falkands so whether they were fitted in 82 or 83 has not bearing on the
positioning.

The picture just proves your assertion that the zoomed pic is the phalanx base of the Illustrious is wrong as the Illustrious's phalanx was in a
different position to that you indicated

Attack to the HMS Invincible
the Alte Woodward maintained the aircraft carriers remote. The COATLANSUR and the FAS, on the other hand, incessantly tracked the position of these
two targets, to use the last Exocet missile. They located to the HMS Invincible in a position to the Southeast of the rear of the fleet. Their
movements were analyzed, doing intelligence with the detections of monitoring that obtained the radar of CIC the Falklands. Thus the "Invincible
Operation" was born, risky and audacious, considered most significant in its type from II GM.

Olmeda saw extensive service during the Falklands War, being one of the first ships to head south. The ship took part in the recapture of the
island of Thule. However, Olmeda did not play any part in the recapture of Kuwait in 1991, unlike the other two members of the class.

I'm probably missing some crucial point but why would anyone lie about it anyway? Seems rather an extravagant lie to what end exactly?

The idea that they could build a ship here in secret is ridiculous, and whatever anyone wants to think, keeping the whole crew silent would be near
impossible.

The plug for the Yahoo newsgroup which appears to require registration to join looks like some sort of blatant plug, which I believe is against board
T&C's anyway, did you check it was OK to advertise your forum first?

Attack to the HMS Invincible:
The decision
For the 28 of May COATLANSUR had made the decision to attack the HMS Invincible with the Super Etendard/Exocet that would need to resupply itself in
flight of Hercules Kc-130. The FAS demanded to take part with a squadron and to increase the firepower of the attack, in spite of the reluctance of
Navy that argued the indiscretion of the airplanes of the Air Force. They chose the A-4c Skyhawk by his capacity of resupply and oxygen autonomy and
issued the order to the swarm in San Julian. The head traveled to Commodore Rivadavia and she prevailed of the planning. Given to the extreme
complexity and danger of the operation, the head of the swarm asked for volunteers. Two squadron commanders appeared, 1er Lieutenant Jose Vázquez
and 1er Lieutenant Ernesto Ureta. To these one authorized them to designate to his numerals: to 1er Omar Lieutenant Castle, Lieutenant Daniel Paredi
and Alfe'rez Gerald Isaac. One would act like reserve. In the morning of the 29 of May they took off towards Grande River. Problems with the
Hercules Kc-130 caused that the exit was delayed until the following day. This two circumstance took advantage of to change Skyhawk that had some
faults and were ready for the day of the more important air operation until now planned.

Four A-4c, Zonda indicative. Mission: attack to the aircraft carrier located in the position 51° South 38'/53° 38 ' the West, with two
resupplies, armed with three pumps slowed down by parachute (BRP), each one. Crew: to 1er Lieutenant Jose Vázquez (C-301), to 1er Lieutenant
Ernesto Ureta (C-321), to 1er Omar Lieutenant Castle (C-310) and Lieutenant Gerald Isaac (C-318). The Lieutenant Daniel Paredi would act like
reserve. They took off from Grande River to 12:30 hs and returned to 16:00 hs. The predicted routes left from Grande River (Super Etendard/A-4c
Skyhawk) and River Galician (Hercules Kc-130), converged to 55º 50 ' S/58º Or, where the resupply would become

Each system would resupply twice, to the going and the return, to take off with Maxima armament load. From there, with course 330º/350º would
descend to grazing (100 feet), the Super Etendard to front and two A-4c Skyhawk to each side. They would come near flying in formation to 420 knots
until 100 miles of the target. In this section, the Super Etendard would have to locate with their radar the objective and, twenty-five kilometers
before, to send the last Exocet returning, previous resupply, to Grande River. Accelerating to the maximum, the A-4c Skyhawk would mount in the
trajectory of the missile until the ship, fifty seconds after the impact would drop three bombs slowed down by parachute of 250 kg each one.

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