Comments on: Not Bread Alone: Chapter 7http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/
Where our past is never very long agoSun, 02 Aug 2015 11:48:22 +0000hourly1By: Juliahttp://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-278872
Wed, 17 Oct 2012 06:16:09 +0000http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=17404#comment-278872Ardis, thank you for answering the real question I was asking. I felt okay asking in this context because it could be approached through a fictional character who is shown to be a positive citizen. I haven’t read Quinn’s book, and have no desire to. People are people for me. We all make the best choices we can with what we have.
]]>By: Ardis E. Parshallhttp://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-278142
Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:03:10 +0000http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=17404#comment-278142I don’t know, Julia. For one thing, I don’t think homosexuality was always as clearly defined a social division the way it is now; for another, every family had bachelor uncles and maiden aunts, and they certainly weren’t all gay. My aunt Evelyn, for instance, was sometimes referred to in our family as our maiden aunt; she wasn’t gay, and we didn’t intend to imply that she was. If those were standard designations for gays, then what did people call family members who were unmarried and straight?

I’ve read Quinn’s Same Sex Dynamics and am convinced that he is wrong — slanderously wrong — about several of the people in Mormon history he wrote about (Evan Stephens may or may not have been gay; he most certainly was not the predator that Quinn paints him), and that’s really the only scholarly thing I’ve read on the topic.

Please, readers, do not defend Quinn here, or abuse Stephens’s memory, or carry on this thread. It’s fine to raise it, Julia, but I’ll delete further comments by others. If you have exactly what Julia needs to answer her question, send it to me privately — I’ll pass it on, or summarize it here, but I don’t want to open Keepa to what could potentially follow from this question.

]]>By: Juliahttp://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-278140
Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:58:58 +0000http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=17404#comment-278140And in #7, when I say explained, it really only gave the words the initials stood for.
]]>By: Juliahttp://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-278138
Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:57:22 +0000http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=17404#comment-278138Oh, and is it just me or does Ed sound more manipulative than contrite?
]]>By: Juliahttp://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-278128
Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:48:29 +0000http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=17404#comment-278128I hope this isn’t out of line Ardis. If it is, feel free to delete it.

In that time period, were homosexuals usually referred to as bachelor uncles and maiden aunts? I was reading an article about an organization in Portland, in the 30s and 40s, named BUMA, that sponsored social events. In trying to look it up, I found very little, but there was a reference in an article about the first Gay Pride parade, where BUMA was cited as a sponsor, and the initials explained. It is the only place I have found which explains the initials.

In rereading chapter 1 because of Kevin’s comment, I wondered if her uncle’s understanding of love might have been for another man, rather than a woman who did not love him in return. A completely side ramble, but I was wondered in the pre-same sex attraction language, if Mormons had a side language way of referring to men and women who were homosexual and not interested or able to enter into a mixed orientation marriage.

]]>By: Alisonhttp://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-277982
Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:58:55 +0000http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=17404#comment-277982@#4 Har har!
]]>By: Coffinberryhttp://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-277962
Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:14:03 +0000http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=17404#comment-277962Oh my gosh… ’bout blew my pen out of my mouth when I read that one. Not that my pen belonged in my mouth, but it was a handy place to put it while I type with two hands.

Hen & Lin would be in trouble nowadays with their planting of an invasive species.