We all do except maybe Wright. Still stuck on doing his own thing, and then once he's told his little "To Steal an Ant-Man" pet project, and he has a franchise on his hands, he probably wants nothing more to do with it because his childhood dream has already been fulfilled.

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I wonder how coordinated Whedon and Wright are willing and able to be. If Ant-Man does appear in Avengers 2 before Ant-Man, who is going to cast him? Shouldn't it be Wright's right as the solo film's director/writer/person working on the character for 9+ years? Or will Whedon cast whoever he wants for his own purposes, Ruffalo-style?

I wonder how coordinated Whedon and Wright are willing and able to be. If Ant-Man does appear in Avengers 2 before Ant-Man, who is going to cast him? Shouldn't it be Wright's right as the solo film's director/writer/person working on the character for 9+ years? Or will Whedon cast whoever he wants for his own purposes, Ruffalo-style?

As for Ant-Man, I still believe that Wright's movie and the Avengers sequel will shoot close enough together to allow a crossover. I believe Ed will already be in high gear, if not actually shooting, and will have the principals already cast by the time Joss gets behind the camera for TA2.

So I believe Ant-Man and Wasp *do* stand a good chance of having at least a cameo in Avengers 2, and that they will be actors chosen/okayed by Wright.

Thought so. Pretty interesting that Marvel is able to do that outside of any specific movie or director associated. Maybe they can do that with Carol Danvers?

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As for Ant-Man, I still believe that Wright's movie and the Avengers sequel will shoot close enough together to allow a crossover. I believe Ed will already be in high gear, if not actually shooting, and will have the principals already cast by the time Joss gets behind the camera for TA2.

So I believe Ant-Man and Wasp *do* stand a good chance of having at least a cameo in Avengers 2, and that they will be actors chosen/okayed by Wright.

Maybe Whedon and Wright will cast the Pyms together. And if Wright's still doing "To Steal an Ant-Man" for his movie, he still gets to cast his leading role in Scott Lang.

You do realize that every Hank Pym fan in the world could boycott the movie, and it'd have no detectable effect on its success, right?

It's disingenuous at best to talk about Ant-Man fans, since Hank Pym hasn't had a real comic book since the early 1960s. (The much more recent Irredeemable Ant-Man miniseries was mildly successful, but it was about Eric O'Grady.) Instead, those of us who get riled up about this are actually AVENGER fans.

It's disingenuous at best to talk about Ant-Man fans, since Hank Pym hasn't had a real comic book since the early 1960s. (The much more recent Irredeemable Ant-Man miniseries was mildly successful, but it was about Eric O'Grady.) Instead, those of us who get riled up about this are actually AVENGER fans.

And there's a LOT of us.

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I don't give a **** whether it affect the movie's success or not. The choice of Lang affects my enjoyment of the film, and that's all that matters to me.

And this. I'll enjoy it as much as I enjoy Rachel Dawes in Batman Begins, where a lesser character (Dawes) took the place of what would have been a much stronger character (Harvey Dent) as the Assistant DA/childhood friend of Bruce Wayne. Wasted opportunity.

When was the last time Scott Lang was actually mentioned by someone involved? I just can't see MS letting Wright gloss over Hank and Jan like that in favor of Lang. Feige is no dummy. He knows Avengers fans would be pissed.

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When was the last time Scott Lang was actually mentioned by someone involved? I just can't see MS letting Wright gloss over Hank and Jan like that in favor of Lang. Feige is no dummy. He knows Avengers fans would be pissed.

I do love Lang, and I think he's a great character to make a movie with. But not the first Ant-Man movie. Save him for the second, give Hank a break by all means.

When was the last time Scott Lang was actually mentioned by someone involved? I just can't see MS letting Wright gloss over Hank and Jan like that in favor of Lang. Feige is no dummy. He knows Avengers fans would be pissed.

The comic book that Wright was holding at Comic-Con last year was the Ant-Man Marvel Premiere from 1979 that had the To Steal an Ant-Man storyline. He didn't talk about it, but it might as well have been a mention.

When was the last time Scott Lang was actually mentioned by someone involved? I just can't see MS letting Wright gloss over Hank and Jan like that in favor of Lang. Feige is no dummy. He knows Avengers fans would be pissed.

But Feige did say it was the Edgar Wright show in a recent interview, and that it's purely because of him that this movie is getting made at all. "The Edgar Wright show" suggests that he's got a pitch for this movie ("To Steal an Antman") that Marvel like and are letting him go forward with it. It's not that Marvel wanted to make an Ant-Man movie and then sought a director for it (which it should have been).

So it would seem that Marvel are just letting Wright get on with his own project and not interfering too much, which is a shame, because Wright's vision just doesn't really fit in with the rest of the MCU as originally proposed, and Wright takes so damn long to get any work done on this.

It's fine if Wright wants to make that movie as a pet project, but if he wants to be part of the MCU and get all the benefits and momentum of the rest of the film universe, he needs to put it aside for the greater good. It's not like he can't ever make that film. He just should save it for a sequel. If he did, he could get two potentially successful films out of this franchise, not just one (which may be less successful anyway if it's not connected properly to the rest of the MCU).

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But Feige did say it was the Edgar Wright show in a recent interview, and that it's purely because of him that this movie is getting made at all. "The Edgar Wright show" suggests that he's got a pitch for this movie ("To Steal an Antman") that Marvel like and are letting him go forward with it. It's not that Marvel wanted to make an Ant-Man movie and then sought a director for it (which it should have been).

So it would seem that Marvel are just letting Wright get on with his own project and not interfering too much, which is a shame, because Wright's vision just doesn't really fit in with the rest of the MCU as originally proposed, and Wright takes so damn long to get any work done on this.

It's fine if Wright wants to make that movie as a pet project, but if he wants to be part of the MCU and get all the benefits and momentum of the rest of the film universe, he needs to put it aside for the greater good. It's not like he can't ever make that film. He just should save it for a sequel. If he did, he could get two potentially successful films out of this franchise, not just one (which may be less successful anyway if it's not connected properly to the rest of the MCU).

Does beg the question of whether the decision to release Ant-Man in Nov 2015 instead of a theoretically doable Nov 2014 was directly in order to have Whedon introduce Pym as Ant-Man and Wasp in Avengers 2 and allow for Wright to tell his Lang story afterwards...

...but with all the talk of Ant-Man being Edgar Wright's separate and unique thing, would introducing Ant-Man/Wasp before the solo film be stealing Wright's thunder? It's a unique situation in which you have this director working on this script for almost a decade, and 6 months before he's about to finally release it after 12 years, another director's vision for the character appears. Talk about "To Steal an Ant-Man"! Yoink!

Maybe Wright should combine elements of Pym and Lang for the movie. Perhaps Pym invented the Pym Particles (obviously, since it's named after him) and the ability to shrink or grow on behalf of an organisation. But maybe his employers create the suit (at least the aesthetic design of it) for their own operative. Then maybe Pym needs to steal the suit for his own purposes either to save someone or because he's being blackmailed (perhaps by a rival organisation like AIM). Then maybe along the way he meets Jan, who tries to stop him at first, but when she realises why he needs it, agrees to help him. Then once he acquires it, he turns on his blackmailers and becomes Ant-Man himself.

So it could feature Pym but still have the basic Lang story, but with the theft of the suit given to Pym instead of Lang. Technically, it would still be "To Steal an Ant-Man", but would allow Pym to still be the main character, have created the particles and would be stealing his own creation. It can still be an origin story that way (how Pym becomes Ant-Man) and also feature a miniaturised caper/ heist.

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But Feige did say it was the Edgar Wright show in a recent interview, and that it's purely because of him that this movie is getting made at all. "The Edgar Wright show" suggests that he's got a pitch for this movie ("To Steal an Antman") that Marvel like and are letting him go forward with it. It's not that Marvel wanted to make an Ant-Man movie and then sought a director for it (which it should have been).

I see no problem in Marvel hearing out talented directors who have certain Marvel heroes they want to tackle.

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So it would seem that Marvel are just letting Wright get on with his own project and not interfering too much, which is a shame, because Wright's vision just doesn't really fit in with the rest of the MCU as originally proposed, and Wright takes so damn long to get any work done on this.

Isn't all just rumors so far. I've only heard Wright talk about the Amazing Shrinking Man as inspiration.

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It's fine if Wright wants to make that movie as a pet project, but if he wants to be part of the MCU and get all the benefits and momentum of the rest of the film universe, he needs to put it aside for the greater good. It's not like he can't ever make that film. He just should save it for a sequel. If he did, he could get two potentially successful films out of this franchise, not just one (which may be less successful anyway if it's not connected properly to the rest of the MCU).

I feel like you are putting a lot of responsibility on Wright's head as if he was Fox or Sony and had bought the project and just doing whatever the hell he feels like doing with it. Marvel greenlit it. Fiege has been one of his biggest cheerleaders. He practically signed off every interview "Yes, Wright's Antman is in play, and I'm excited."

Ant Man WILL appear in Avengers 2*. Could be in the film, or in an after credits scene. I bet.
One of the most anticipated films, everyone is gonna go see Avengers 2, what better promotion for their next film?