mjbok:FirstNationalBastard: Man, if they had shown the later Peter Davison episodes, you would have loved Turlough.

Turlough was probably the most wasted companion ever, besides Chameleon. His character had so much potential...a person with actual depth, flaws, less than innocent motivations. And it goes nowhere. At least he got to carry Peri.

Turlough would be great in today's Doctor Who, but was wasted in the 80s sunshine lollipops JNT era.

...Kind of like how the Sixth Doctor was wasted, but when they re-used most of his character traits for the 10th Doctor, everyone loved it.

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OK!

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She was terrible. Just look at that picture you posted. She's supposed to be looking tough, and she's such a girly girl she can't even convincingly make a fist. Fan service episode, that. Terrible character, terrible actress, terrible subplot. Have her regenerate into the body of someone who can act, then maybe. But for goodness sake, don't bring back Georgina Moffat.

If Moffat does have the classic Doctors back, it will be for some sort of documentary. He appreciates the classic Who, but he has also said in interviews that marketing classic Who to today's audiences would be difficult. Moffat is a master at creating eye candy and sugary scripts, so he probably won't want to try anything with depth here. Just some interviews or some "classic" clips here and there.

magneticmushroom:100 Watt Walrus: BTW, if you're interested in an all-the-Doctors and many companions story that's actually pretty damn good, check this out.

It's a fan webcomic that ran 2007-2009 called "The 10 Doctors," and not only does the guy nail every Doctor's character and quirks, he works in - quite reasonably - dozens of companions and villains.

Warning: Absolutely addicting.

Gahhhhhd DAMMIT. I was actually going to finish watching more of the Tom Baker era tonight, but you've derailed that.

For those that are interested, IDW is starting a special Doctor Who run called "Prisoners of Time," in which each month features the Doctor in a different incarnation; all of them face the same nemesis, apparently.

eddiesocket:Especially now that her character makes no sense. How did she know that she and the Doctor were married? It hadn't happened yet, for her. And why was she so shocked about Rory and Amy being sent back in time? They never even have any "where are you in our relationship timeline" conversations. The writers/creators just act like she's in the same timeline as the Doctor, now.

We're supposed to believe she's "acting" for the sake of the other characters when she's in a position to know more than they do. It's absurd and stupid, and often misleading to the point of being detrimental and dangerous to the other characters - as when she pretends to not know who the kid was in the space suit in the "Impossible Astronaut" storyline.

There are a HUGE number of problems with the whole Melody/River storyline. But where she is in her timeline vs. where everyone else is in theirs? That's not one of them. If you think you've spotted a problem that indicates Moffat doesn't have the whole thing mapped out, you missed something.

By and large, they've been meeting in opposite order. (So much so that I find it too linear, but that's beside the point.) By and large, all the episodes before "The Wedding of River Song" are episodes in which she knew they were married, HOWEVER "The Angels Take Manhattan" actually takes place much later for her - after "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone" and before "Silence in the Library" (as evidenced by the fact that she's referred to as Professor Song, not Doctor Song).

So exactly when do you think she knew that she and the Doctor were married, but shouldn't have?

LectertheChef:Personally I'm looking forward to finding out who the 12th doctor will be. I find Matt Smith to behave too much like a children's show host, or someone with a Peter Pan complex. I just can't picture his doctor having the stones to pull what the previous two pulled. They could've at least given us Mickey beating the everloving shiat out of Rory, while Rose and Amy and Martha make out.

I disagree. Particularly in S6, where he actually pulled off playing him as so old.

BrainyBear:ExperianScaresCthulhu: FirstNationalBastard: NYRBill: what about a Torchwood crossover?[i230.photobucket.com image 340x512]

I dunno... Torchwood still has US Stink on it from Miracle Day...

I liked Miracle Day. I didn't like the Vagina At The Center Of The Earth ending, but I liked Miracle Day. We got to see Jack with a true love who wasn't Ianto and who wasn't female and married to him. None of the Team died. And this

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is always Win. THAT'S feminism, not that old 'being a stripper/whore/eyecandy with a fancy security clearance' crap that US television pulls. Dealing with the everyday life of everyday women who have to deal with extraordinary shiat.. that scene will always be one of my fondest memories of that show.

That scene was truly the best thing in the history of ever, and I prefer to believe that Torchwood ended at that very moment.

Sadly that was one of the very few good scenes in Miracle Day. Most of the rest blew donkey balls.

rickycal78:SilentStrider: mahuika: Rwa2play: thecpt: You can't have river song involved without it breaking canon, right?

On a side note: Wouldn't be surprised if this would be Alex's last story as River but keep the character by giving her a regeneration cycle.

But wouldn't that break canon with the Library episodes? She still was Alex then

Not necessarily. I'm sure they could come up with some sort of phlebotinum to bring her back afterr that if they wanted.Although I'd rather they not, as her death when we first met her makes her subsequent apearences somewhat bittersweet, which would be lost if they found a way to bring her back.

Unless she became part of the TARDIS...

I'm sure they could. Hell I'm betting there's entire gb's worth of fanfic out there depicting how it could be done. Personally I think it'd be a good way to say farewell to River, she did mention seeing him with a different face the last time she saw him. Could be like TFA was saying that she's somehow responsible for getting all of them together and one of his incarnations is the last one she talks to before the Library and he gives her a modified sonic.

I like River, I really do, but she's kinda been played out now that there's little to no mystery around her. That and I think she was as over used as the Weeping Angels.

Especially now that her character makes no sense. How did she know that she and the Doctor were married? It hadn't happened yet, for her. And why was she so shocked about Rory and Amy being sent back in time? They never even have any "where are you in our relationship timeline" conversations. The writers/creators just act like she's in the same timeline as the Doctor, now.

mjbok:FirstNationalBastard: mjbok: FirstNationalBastard: Man, if they had shown the later Peter Davison episodes, you would have loved Turlough.

Turlough was probably the most wasted companion ever, besides Chameleon. His character had so much potential...a person with actual depth, flaws, less than innocent motivations. And it goes nowhere. At least he got to carry Peri.

Turlough would be great in today's Doctor Who, but was wasted in the 80s sunshine lollipops JNT era.

...Kind of like how the Sixth Doctor was wasted, but when they re-used most of his character traits for the 10th Doctor, everyone loved it.

If I had to pick out a moment for the first two Doctor's of the reboot it would be easy. E's "Why won't you die" monologue in 'Dalek'. Also a special episode because it has a non-bastardized Cyberhead. Emo would be one of the moments with Sarah Jane.

Still E was better than Emo because he had this era of being unhinged, just this side of psychotic that was awesome.

That's probably my favorite 9th Doctor episode. You see a character that wasn't typically hateful or spiteful turned that way from the ravages of an extended war with that species. Between that and the Doctor Dances 2 parter you get to see how much the Doctor was really affected by this mysterious Time War that you only ever hear about.

FirstNationalBastard:mjbok: FirstNationalBastard: Man, if they had shown the later Peter Davison episodes, you would have loved Turlough.

Turlough was probably the most wasted companion ever, besides Chameleon. His character had so much potential...a person with actual depth, flaws, less than innocent motivations. And it goes nowhere. At least he got to carry Peri.

Turlough would be great in today's Doctor Who, but was wasted in the 80s sunshine lollipops JNT era.

...Kind of like how the Sixth Doctor was wasted, but when they re-used most of his character traits for the 10th Doctor, everyone loved it.

If I had to pick out a moment for the first two Doctor's of the reboot it would be easy. E's "Why won't you die" monologue in 'Dalek'. Also a special episode because it has a non-bastardized Cyberhead. Emo would be one of the moments with Sarah Jane.

Still E was better than Emo because he had this era of being unhinged, just this side of psychotic that was awesome.

So we've had joint appearances by all Star Trek captains, now all the Doctor Who doctors. Somehow the 50th anniversary year for James Bond passed without getting all the 007 actors together. Rumor has it this could happen at the Oscars but I'll believe it when I see it.

FirstNationalBastard:Man, if they had shown the later Peter Davison episodes, you would have loved Turlough.

Turlough was probably the most wasted companion ever, besides Chameleon. His character had so much potential...a person with actual depth, flaws, less than innocent motivations. And it goes nowhere. At least he got to carry Peri.

gingerjet:Mega Steve: Adric? ADRIC??? Not only was he a snot-nosed know-it-all, but he evolved from giant freaking spiders! And for all his genius, he didn't have the good sense to save his own ass. Fie upon you, I say! FIE!

But for a 14 year old ginger gay nerd watching the episodes on PBS in the 80s - he was a dreamboat.

Man, if they had shown the later Peter Davison episodes, you would have loved Turlough.

Mega Steve:Adric? ADRIC??? Not only was he a snot-nosed know-it-all, but he evolved from giant freaking spiders! And for all his genius, he didn't have the good sense to save his own ass. Fie upon you, I say! FIE!

But for a 14 year old ginger gay nerd watching the episodes on PBS in the 80s - he was a dreamboat.

Walt_Jizzney:Every site is trying to fanfark on this one, but I doubt they will get them all. I'm sure it will have the NuWho ones, perhaps McGann and whomever needs the least amount of CGI to look like their younger selves but that's it.

Once you decide to use CGI, the degree of the change probably doesn't matter much. And if the dead doctors can be brought back via various tricks, the unco-operative ones can as well.

You know, I think Rose gets a bad shake over that whole thought she was the only companion stuff. Her purpose was to introduce the show to a generation who'd never seen it. If they truly knew nothing about the show, they wouldn't know there were other companions because the Doctor certainly never brings them up. Rose was the bridge for the whole idea. Then the idea was introduced that the Doctor would try and be more mindful of his companion's futures instead of just dropping them off somewhere and never going back for them or just losing them somehow. That's why Rose and the others kept popping up again and again.

I wish the companions would just go away and stay away, personally. I certainly don't want anymore false goings away like the Ponds for a season and a half. Amy became some sort of parasite I was worried the doctor would have to treat chemically to scrape off. I don't like whiny, needy Doctor either.

I just want it to be known that I just started watching doctor who because of all the threads of it that I see here. I am watching the reboot on Netflix. I like eccleston's character. I'll be sad when I watch the episode where he dies. I hope rose stays...preferably with less and less clothing.

TheManofPA:gingerjet: Ebenator: [img.photobucket.com image 395x500]There can be only one.

Peter Davidson will always be my doctor.

/largely because I had a crush on Adric growing up

I still love the thread where we were discussing that Amy could die and have a later season with Rory as a heartbroken bad guy. At the end of that year, you find an old man pulling the strings who is revealed to be a scarred and twisted Adric.

FAR FAR too dark for DW, but man, an old evil Adric who is hellbent on ruining the Doctor for letting him kill himself would be great.

If you don't see a body, they're not dead.

Who's to say Adric didn't barely survive the crash, get picked up by some alien race and restored, but in a horrible, disfigured way (like Vina from Star Trek: The Cage), and eventually went all crazy and started blaming the Doctor and plotting the Doctor's downfall?

The Voice of Doom:I don't know.I wouldn't set my hopes too high. Not sure there's a story that would survive trying to cram in 11 sort of protagonists (especially with some of them dead or aged a lot).Maybe they'll do some montage like in Smith's first episode with the "is this world protected?" bit.Or I could imagine some sort of video conference where CGI versions of the old ones squabble a bit with each other and give advice or do some offscreen job while Smith, Tennant and maybe Ecclestone do some running around (think Harry Potter and the portraits of former headmasters); I haven't seen "The Five Doctors" yet, but "The Three Doctors" was a bit like that with #2 and #3 doing the legwork and #1 more or less literally (video-)phoning it in while telling the two others to get their shiat together.

That was also done for age-related reasons...

William Hartnell was too close to death to run around with Troughton and Pertwee as originally planned. So, they stuffed Hartnell in a box, let him read his lines to a camera, and let the younger guys do the heavy lifting.

Using this technique with the two Bakers in a modern show would also work, since they're the two who really couldn't pass as their former selves any longer.

I don't know.I wouldn't set my hopes too high. Not sure there's a story that would survive trying to cram in 11 sort of protagonists (especially with some of them dead or aged a lot).Maybe they'll do some montage like in Smith's first episode with the "is this world protected?" bit.Or I could imagine some sort of video conference where CGI versions of the old ones squabble a bit with each other and give advice or do some offscreen job while Smith, Tennant and maybe Ecclestone do some running around (think Harry Potter and the portraits of former headmasters); I haven't seen "The Five Doctors" yet, but "The Three Doctors" was a bit like that with #2 and #3 doing the legwork and #1 more or less literally (video-)phoning it in while telling the two others to get their shiat together.

SilentStrider:mahuika: Rwa2play: thecpt: You can't have river song involved without it breaking canon, right?

On a side note: Wouldn't be surprised if this would be Alex's last story as River but keep the character by giving her a regeneration cycle.

But wouldn't that break canon with the Library episodes? She still was Alex then

Not necessarily. I'm sure they could come up with some sort of phlebotinum to bring her back afterr that if they wanted.Although I'd rather they not, as her death when we first met her makes her subsequent apearences somewhat bittersweet, which would be lost if they found a way to bring her back.

Unless she became part of the TARDIS...

I'm sure they could. Hell I'm betting there's entire gb's worth of fanfic out there depicting how it could be done. Personally I think it'd be a good way to say farewell to River, she did mention seeing him with a different face the last time she saw him. Could be like TFA was saying that she's somehow responsible for getting all of them together and one of his incarnations is the last one she talks to before the Library and he gives her a modified sonic.

I like River, I really do, but she's kinda been played out now that there's little to no mystery around her. That and I think she was as over used as the Weeping Angels.

Oh, lawd. I remember when the local PBS pledge drive offered the supposedly authentic pattern for that scarf with pledges. My parents pledged, my grandma made the scarf, and I still have it somewhere in the closet.

FirstNationalBastard:Maybe, just maybe, Baker 2 has been asked to keep things under wraps to keep the surprise a bit longer?

Or, they haven't locked down everything yet and started approaching the actors yet.

Yeah, it's a real toss up at this point, just kind of annoying that there's articles like this out there claiming one thing, but then going back and saying "Except well, maybe not". I would at least like Nine to make an appearance, I really enjoyed his Doctor and wish he'd stayed on another series or 3.

Faith Logic Passion:I thought I had heard that Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith were going to be in the 50th, but the idea that ALL the actors were coming back is news to me.

Then again the article quotes Colin Baker saying it's all a big fat lie, so who knows.

Besides, Tom Baker has said he wouldn't be interesting in returning for the 50th Anniversary unless it was for a short comical bit where the 4th Doctor isn't actually involved, just kind of a time echo in the TARDIS.

/I'm hoping they call come back.//Moffatt would go up exponentially in my estimation if he made this work.

The five doctors was good. It was not 'the stuff of legend', but it was good. What made it work was only three of them really did much. What made the Avengers work is that instead of 30 characters, they focused on six. Eleven characters in 90 minutes? They'd be better off doing a whole anniversary season and spreading them out as opposed to pushing them into a single event.

Faith Logic Passion:I thought I had heard that Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith were going to be in the 50th, but the idea that ALL the actors were coming back is news to me.

Then again the article quotes Colin Baker saying it's all a big fat lie, so who knows.

Besides, Tom Baker has said he wouldn't be interesting in returning for the 50th Anniversary unless it was for a short comical bit where the 4th Doctor isn't actually involved, just kind of a time echo in the TARDIS.

/I'm hoping they call come back.//Moffatt would go up exponentially in my estimation if he made this work.

I'm hoping they go old school and make it a 3-part story. Even a 4-part story.

As cool as that would be, I'm not going to hold my breath."So all eleven Doctors and River Song? Sounds great, right? NOT SO FAST says Colin Baker! The sixth Doctor has already denied the Birmingham Mail's claims by tweeting: "...apart from The Big Finish plans I am not aware of any 50th stories nor have I been approached."