No one wins wars .. There are only survivors. Survivors whose lives are tainted until the end of their days.<br><br>There have always been other ways to resolve issues.<br>Israel claims to be a state founded around a religious ideal. Yet never chooses to follow the teachings of that path in communications with it's neighbours.<br><br>

Did I offer any justification? No. Did I claim to be a persecuted Jew? No. Am I persecuting anyone or their views? Well, I guess in your myopic world, to disagree or to offer another perspective is to persecute. <br><br>And my sig has nothing to do with any of what's been discussed on this topic. But go ahead, make up whatever works for you.<br><br>

Stepping between watcher and steveg.<br>Wondering all the while why Mel Gibson is labelled anti-semetic and struck off the celebrity list while steveg can make racist jokes about the Arabs.<br><br>Lets talk about persecution. Israel always does.<br><br>Waleed probably knows far more about persecution than can fit in all of steveg's history books but yet this is far less than for than any of those(still living), who actually are Israel's nearest neighbours.<br><br>Let's talk about safe today safe tomorrow = Lay down your guns.<br><br>Jewish idea of justification has never jived with the world, on any day. Jews have tended to use the label of persecution against anyone who didn't jive. In fact even against each other. The most horrifying TV I have ever seen was two Jews arguing over the semantics of the differences between the way they interpret the holy persecution books.<br><br>Talk about how we should be able to get along nothing complex about it at all.. lay down your guns .. steveg.. practice what you preach. Stop calling people names .. stop persecuting us. Cease and desist with the forked tongue.<br><br>You really want peace? .. melt down your weaponry. <br><br>http://www.aftenposten.no/english/sports/article1415868.ece<br><br>This, about terrorists: <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>"This is not about communities. This is about criminals. This is about murder, people who want to commit mass murder," he said.<br><br>"This is not anything to do with any particular community. This is about people who might masquerade within a community behind certain faiths."<br><br>"This is about people who are desperate, desperate people who would want to do things that no right-minded citizen of this country or any other country would want to tolerate."<p><hr></blockquote><p>This was a tactic employed by the Viet-Cong in Vietnam, this infiltrating of innocent villages. It was possible to be counteracted then, so why is it insoluble now? Because the same response is still given.<br><br>but where will we be when the future comes?

So I'd love to hear your solution to these issues. From what I gather Hezbollah wants all Jews dead, and the Jews do not wish to oblige.<br><br>Also which part of Judaism is the Israel state not following - remember the likes of "Love thy neighbour" is drawn from the New Testament of the Christian bible - which the Jewish faith does not recognise.<br><br><br>- This is gonna get pretty interesting. <br>- Define "interesting". <br>- Oh, God, oh, God, we're all gonna die..

_________________________I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.

<br>You apparently missed the link to David ben Guren <br>having been the one to have coined the infamous phrase "...to push a people into the sea"<br>during the Ethnic Cleansing enacted upon the Palestinians while The State of Israel was<br>being newly formed:<br><br>A Picture's Worth 1000 Words:<br><br><br><br>so it would seem that that phrase only goes to typify the practice here of accusing others<br>of doing Exactly what you your self are doing, in order to garner Sympathy to your cause.<br><br><br><br>

_________________________."...or am I a butterfly dreaming she's a woman?"

Is this an Aussie thing? These half-cocked off-the-wall remarks? <br>What racist joke? Show me the racism in the 30-year-old anecdote I presented.<br>What persecution? you imply. Right. The Holocaust never happened.<br>What name calling, may I ask?<br>What forked tongue? Show me where I've lied. Oops. I attempted to presented another perspective. My bad.<br><br>In other words WHAT the hell are you rambling on about? Oh yes. Lay down your arms so Iran can fulfill it's dream. It's soooooo simple! *smacks self on forehead*<br><br>

Perhaps he means your off-the wall quips Like This One<br><br>And what's with the "Holocaust Never Happening" remark?<br>You're not dragging out the "everyone that disagrees with<br>Israel is automatically a 'NAZI' " crap again, ...are you?<br><br>That's always your "TRUMP-CARD" in a pinch... <br><br>....time to get some new material. <br><br> ...searching for my 'beating a dead horse' smilie<br>{EDIT: couldn't locate the dead horse This will just have to do} <br><br><br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Celandine on 08/10/06 11:54 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>

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