I get that, it's what we did, mostly, when I got whatever it was. And I got over it do we stopped. The point I am trying to make is that now, based on our movement patterns since then, if anyone other than my wife does get covid symptoms, she brought it in so we are all very likely exposed. And if she gets symptoms, then I already have it too. At some point it's not worth isolating within the family and we all have to isolate together from the world.

I can't remember if I got this here or direct from Wapo but it makes sense. No need to disinfect stuff from the store, amazon unless you need right away. Put it away long enough for the viable virus count to drop. Wash your hands after you put stuff away.https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ting-packages/
my son, who's a surgery resident at UCD, says the same applies to masks for the general public--if you're like me, going out in public only to buy groceries. When you're done shopping drop the mask in a bag and it should be fine for the next time. Obviously this is no help to health care providers who can't wait. I can't vouch for the accuracy of this but it makes sense to me and I'll be doing it for my one N95 mask. Unless someone has evidence to the contrary.

A question--we say dilution is the solution to pollution. When you have infection, say peritonitis from perforated bowel, you wash it out with liters and liters of salt water solution. Just physically washing out, without any antiseptic, reduces bacterial count enough to greatly reduce the risk of infection. Anyone who had a cut sewed up in the ER knows this. Anyway, the question--with produce from the market, can just rinsing it vigorously remove enough of the virus--which is probably there in low amounts if at all--and wash it down the sink to greatly reduce the risk, without the need to kill it with soap?

Any food service sanitation class I ever took didn't offer any advice on shit like this but I assume veggies should be treated like hands - washed thoroughly, scrubbed hard.

Everything from Amazon or the store goes on garage floor and sprayed with diluted bleach, then left overnight. That sound about right to you, OG? You never had anything quite like this in your years of practice, did you?

He’s a sadistic piece of evil shit. When I was still a fairly new firefighter he put us in a position of huge risk for his own amusement.
Then years later made a bunch of rapey remarks to a female on my crew, in front of me, then hit me with the whole “what are you gonna do about it? get your crew sent home”...probably in some way why 20 years later that female is a jiu jitsu master who could immediately tie that scumbag into a pain pretzel...

He’s on the list, permanent ink. If I don’t make it, respect the list: screw that guy over at any and every chance you get.

Different cough medicines work differently on different types of coughs. Delsym is an antitussive. It works by telling your brain you don't need to cough and is geared toward dry coughs where there is little to no mucus. Not the first thing I'd reach for when drowning is a concern.

Any food service sanitation class I ever took didn't offer any advice on shit like this but I assume veggies should be treated like hands - washed thoroughly, scrubbed hard.

Everything from Amazon or the store goes on garage floor and sprayed with diluted bleach, then left overnight. That sound about right to you, OG? You never had anything quite like this in your years of practice, did you?

I'm not claiming medical expertise on this, just reporting what the article says--that you don't need to spray with bleach if you just leave it 24 hours. The bleach can't hurt. Whether spraying dilute bleach is enough to kill anything that won't die on its own I have no idea.

The only case if severe viral pneumonia I saw in practice was hantavirus, acquired in Yosemite by a colleague of mine. She wound up on ECMO (artificial lung) and survived. She was about as close to dying as you can get. I think about her every time I go into my crawl space--hanta is endemic in Truckee. At least one case I know of. I saw lots of cases of "white lung" (adult respiratory distress syndrome) due to sepsis or trauma. Treatment of the lungs is the same as for covid--support them on a ventilator until they get better, which often happens if you can treat the underlying disease, but not always. I will never forget a 16 year old girl who was in a car accident. Her injuries weren't that bad but she whited out her lungs and spent weeks dying on a ventilator, her injuries were healed but her lungs just wouldn't. Afterwards her mom asked me out. I passed.

We never forget our disasters. After this is all over there are going to be a lot of nurses and docs with cases that will torture them for the rest of their lives.

Different cough medicines work differently on different types of coughs. Delsym is an antitussive. It works by telling your brain you don't need to cough and is geared toward dry coughs where there is little to no mucus. Not the first thing I'd reach for when drowning is a concern.

"Dextromethorphan is used recreationally by some and, when taken in excess, can cause a dissociative hallucinogenic state similar to the drugs ketamine and PCP. Symptoms include a distorted "out of body" sensation, euphoria, excitement, and a loss of sense of time."

Albertsons safeway CEO Vivek Sankaran has decided to not protect their front line workers and our food with a simple cloth over the face because they don’t want to “cause panic”

Sprouts CEO Jack Sinclair has also not added face covering to their staff but didn’t see a reason why yet.

Do we have any journalists in here?

Trader Joe’s (CEO Dan Bane) on Colorado Boulevard was closed today because of a stocker with #ccpvirus.

Kroger Vice President and chief people officer Tim Massa hasn’t been proactive on this either.

This is a travesty in the making. You thought hording was bad a couple weeks ago, buckle up for when your store closes.

The other half of my transit job nightmare is the nightmare of my wife managing a grocery dept. and having a bad back in the last couple months from having to do more stocking and unloading than she should with a fused spine. Now it’s just mayhem. Infectious mayhem, hoarding mayhem, personnel and scheduling mayhem.
The silver lining is we still only have a couple of cases in the county so far.

This stuff with Albertsons et al is why a piecemeal private sector approach to public health policy is untenable. The CEOs’ only constituency is their shareholders, they need these choices to be made by govt. because govt is the party charged with overall public safety...and these are situations where public health and profitability conflict.