Microsoft knew all problems of the Xbox in 2005?

In an recent juridish document, it seems like Microsoft really knew about the problems for the Xbox 360 launch in 2005.

"The Xbox 360 is defectively designed because when an Xbox 360 is tilted or swiveled -- even slightly -- while a game disc is in the ODD [Optical Disc Drive], ODD components can contact the game disc, creating a distinctive circular "gouge" on the underside of the disc, rendering it permanently unplayable... Microsoft discovered this scratch-inducing design defect prior to launching the Xbox 360, but refused and continues to refuse to remedy the problem."

I'm not saying either one is the right thing to do, but it's getting pretty juvenile.

We don't need to keep flooding N4G with stuff that's irrelevant, we know and have proof that Blu-ray is not dying and actually doing amazing, we know Xbox HAD bigger problems than this, I don't think we need to keep hearing about it though.

OK this sh*t about moving the console whilst it's on is retarded, I would have though it would be common sense not to move the console when it's on.

RROD and Disc reading issues, fair enough MS should be sued for that, but disc scratching when you move the console whilst playing a game is just stupid. You deserve to have your disc scratched if you do that.

It's already been admitted by MS that the 360 has a faulty design. Sure they admitted it after the high failure rate in excess of 30% of their hardware line. MS hasn't changed the design of the console, merely taking small steps to try and minimize it. Making the CPU and GPU with a smaller die stamp to try and lower heat emissions, but even that hasn't gone very far to eliminate the problem. The 360 design was rushed because Microsoft was eager to beat Sony in console sales and faulty hardware was one big finger being pointed at this. Sure, Sony made broad promises about the release of the PS3 and because it was "late" to the party, people are fast to make the PS3 out to be a complete failure. Umm, not so much. The PS3 has a far lower failure rate compared to the 360, last I checked it was less than 1%. Microsoft's mission this generation is to beat Sony at any cost, be it buying previously exclusive PS platform games or anything else. MS has shown that they are paying developers to develop on the 360 first. Their shady tactics have already been shown and the faulty 360 design, even 3 years later is still apparent.

Of course MS knew of the faults, but in their eagerness to unseat Sony they have big holes in their approach. Selling base model 360's for 200 dollars with no features whatsoever, even trying to undercut the Wii. When value-minded people learn about the value in each PS3, it will win out. Cutting money can only win people for so long. Once the PS3 drops in price, the PS2 gamers will jump on board and will realize the sheer value of the PS3 as compared to a comparatively equipped 360. Sure the base 360 is cheaper, but for the complete modern gaming experience, the PS3 is the better bargain. Hell, every PS3 has built in Wi-Fi, something no 360 has yet MS charges 100 dollars for their proprietary Wi-Fi adapter. All features compared side by side, the PS3 is the better bargain. Hell, the PS3 even has built in HD movie playback, a feature that the 360 completely lacks. Sure the 360 has Netflix, but since I don't have a 50mbps internet connection, I can't stream HD movies. The PS3 simply is the full HD experience and can be had for cheaper than a fully equipped 360.

This they document three separate days of 10 xbox 360s with brand new game discs all on a measured level surface kept isolated from the gamers, and on all three occasions after 5 hours of play time at least 1 or more discs were scratched by the lens. I've read about people MOVING their consoles and causing this issue, but this was a stable concrete floor on level tables. That is unacceptable, and why do the Toshiba drives bought on their own come with disc bumpers, but the ones in the 360 don't? I see an attempt at a cost saving measure that is costing we the consumers currently, and ultimately it will cost Microsoft.

This isn't the result of rushing the console out. This is the result of cost cutting. They pointed out that the scratching happens because of not guard on the lens. That guard costs money. With all the money lost on the production of the first xbox, they wanted to make this one as cheap to produce as possible.

nothing new here...this was all known about 1 month after shat really hit the fan in mid 2007...MS knew their box was a pile in terms of build quality...they knew it would be the end consumer that would ultimately suffer the most...but they also knew that being first to the market would hurt Sony the most...

its clear what had the highest priority...the only thing that could be said about it is that its very interesting that MS has garnered such a fanatical army behind their Xbox division...not just in buyers...but across multiple media outlets...

i've said it for almost 2 years...I watched my 12 year old cousin go through 2 360's in just 3 weeks...got a launch system Thanksgiving 2005; and we both watched it slice every disc he put in it since he opened the box...returned it...and the 'new' box RROD'd after 6 hours of SP CoD 2...he is currently on his 3rd, which has lasted since then...its sad to think that he is 'lucky' that this third system has worked for 3 years now...

if I didn't witness these issues first hand...to that degree...I would probably own a 360...I can't say that I'm upset that I don't...as playing every big release for it wasn't enough to get me to buy one even if the system was flawless (the pay for XBL thing simply isn't worth it for me...thats my opinion...don't argue with me about it)...thats not fanboy loyalties...thats not anything other than the fact that I personally can't justify the value in the Xbox 360...to each their own...

I waited to purchase my next-gen system, I wanted to compare the 3 consoles before making a purchase.

I have a friend that has all 3 consoles & in Christmas of 2006 he brought his Wii over and we (my wife, 2 girls (12 & 6) & I) love it, Wii Sports was fun as hell.

Then, in Feb. of 2007 my friend went on vacation for 2 weeks and lent me his 360. As soon I plugged it in, it RROD on me... and I was so hyped to play R6V & GeOW. It's unfortunate, but that really put me off of the 360. A piece of hardware that's only 15 months old, have issues so soon?

Then in August of 2007 I borrowed his PS3 & played GRAW2 & R6V, I even watched a couple of blu-ray movies. I really enjoyed the experience I had with it. I ended up buying my PS3 2 days after giving his back. I purchased the Wii for the kids in Oct. 2007 for Christmas of 2007.

Although I don't dogg the 360, I too can't see the value in purchasing a 360 for me & my family. I'm also personally against having to pay extra to play my already purchased games online. That's just my story.

P.S. I would love to play the GeOW series & tryout Fable II as well, unfortunately I will have to miss the experience for now. The sad thing is, I would have bought the 360 if I didn't see the RROD problem 1st hand, it was when I researched the problem online & found out the extend of the problem, I wrote the console off but not the games.

Yeah have to agree with there only ambition was to hurt sony by being first out of the gate.

They have probally hurt themselves more in the longer term as after 4 dead 360's of my own I feel confident in saying a few more people out there feel like me and wont be so eager to purchase there next machine when it launches.

Microsoft have alot of sucking up to do to regain what little trust and respect if any with there next attempt unless of course shareholders say enough is enough and pull the plug on there console side of buisness.

If they do get a new machine out and its a repeat of this fiasco the 360 has been then microsoft will be done for in the console market.

I'm not apologizing for MS. I've been very critic of them. I've been the victim of 2 RRODs and I think charging for Live is a joke. I also think designing a console that scratches discs when you move it is pathetic. BUT not one of the three 360s I've had scratches discs when you DON'T move it.

I had a arcade unit first day it came out, the people in front of me bought the premiums. I really don't think that sticker was on the launch consoles. After a couple of weeks, the dvd drive on my 360 fell apart during cod 2, shattered the disk and the door wouldn't open. Called MS and they said hey would fix it but would not replace cod 2, instead they said that they would replace the game with Kameo. No thanks! I returned the console to walmart. I just bought another right before christmas and have really been enjoying it. the netflix works better that I could imagine and my fiance can't stop watching heroes. The sticker was on this console and I never move it on or off with a disk inside.

still got some good games outa the xbox 360. i buy them broken and sell them for a profit. so the RROD is more of a benefit to me. I have a jasper console so ill see how long this lasts. but the more RROD the merrier XD

Im still playing on my Xbox360 from day 1 and my Elite I never faced this problem . My first xbox360 was replaced just once and the replace keep funtioning till now. My elite its in good condition. This is all BS!

Yes but the difference lies in where the corporation is located. Microsoft is an American corporation and American-based corporations have a history of scaling back quality to save money, Lord knows companies like Linksys and others scale back quality. I had 4 Linksys wireless routers before I finally threw up my hands in frustration and went to another brand simply because they kept failing on me. I've had 6 Linksys products, only one of which ever worked without failing, and that's my wireless G-band network card.

Sony, on the other hand is a Japanese corporation. Yes, of course they're after your money and will do things to better their incomes, but they're also not wanting to embarrass themselves by making faulty hardware. They try to minimize the cost of the system sure, but they don't undercut the QUALITY to save money. I might have paid 600 dollars for my near-launch PS3, but I don't feel cheated. I'm completely satisfied in my purchase and God knows I've gotten my money's worth out of it. And I'm still on my original console over 2 years later.

k we all no X360 is a faulty but MS is lucky it sold dis much but if they have any of these kind of problemz 4 the next box, i doubt ppl will trust them again. they probably knew about some of the x360z problemz, but they were under pressure to release it well b4 ps3 and wii so they can have a head start and they did pretty well. hopefully they dun rush the next 1 or else i ma change over to sony :)(i so want killzone but no money 4 a ps3)

It's sorted now so lets move on (same applies to RROD), for me it's all about games now. They know they did wrong and have paid the price. They cannot turn the clocks back, so there is no point going on about the same thing over & over. As for me I have over 60 games and both my sons use the system and as yet no scratched disks.

ps2 was the biggest problem though.people on here act like sony has only ever made the ps3, when last generation it was ps2 that was plaugued with issues. ps2 released a year before the competition, had reliability issues, but that's ok right sony fans?? xbox was a huge leap ahead of ps2 on quality and power. this generation is no different than the last except sony and microsoft "switched places". ps3 fanidiots on n4g really need to get their heads outta their asses- or grow up, besides this "news" is duplicate, and ancient. just remember ps3 fans, sony has released faulty consumer electronics as well, and yes even in their gaming division SHOCKER huh?!

WHy is that article relevant exactly ? It's obvious that MS knew about the shortcomings of their own hardware ... wasnt it designed at least partially with cost in mind ?

And do anyone even care ? Those who do didnt buy the console because of it and other factors . And millions bought it in spite of it .

Xbox failure are already an "admitted" fact , and it is an admitted fact that no one cares , except in fanboys wars flamebait , so let it go already . Even now people are more making fun of the recent "zune problem" than getting angry about it . The quality of their hardware is no longer much of a factor in their sales obviously .