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Topic: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2] (Read 52959 times)

sovietdoc

I'd much rather have any kind of crappy AF in video mode, than not have any AF at all.

I am hoping the max megapixels camera will be eos 3D. If you think about it, the 1-series are always going to be the cream of the crop with the performance photographer in mind shooting sports and birds.

Canon needs to split its camera tree into

1D - action pro photography / wildlife3D - pro studio / landscapes5D - midrange FF, can do what the big boys can but has lower resolution and lower fps, no 1d camera body style*D - entry level full frame, kind of like a 7D except FF sensor with low resolution and "meh" fps*D - high end APS-C with high fps (like current 7D)**D - better rebel***D - the rebel****D - lowest end DSLRM*(or V) - mirrorlessG* - high end PnS

I mean this is just out of my head, but they key point is, they definitely need to have 2 distinct bodies for high fps and high res. Having a eos 3D that will be the standard for HR photography just makes more sense than vandalizing 1D name and having 2 different 1d cameras that do different things.

It would be very good if they had made 3d to have 1d-like body, but smaller and lighter overall.

Why did 5D jump up the price so much? I think it makes sense, there is exactly price range space in between it and 1dx now, hinting a 3d series, and at the low end there is price range space for an entry FF DSLR

I'm just about to pull the trigger on a 5D MK3 and I mostly shoot video, can someone please throw me a 'you're doing the right thing' bone. I'm worried that what Canon might do is make a video orientated entry level full frame borrow the AF technology from the new 650D/T4i.

thundermonkey

I'm just about to pull the trigger on a 5D MK3 and I mostly shoot video, can someone please throw me a 'you're doing the right thing' bone. I'm worried that what Canon might do is make a video orientated entry level full frame borrow the AF technology from the new 650D/T4i.

Can you see where I'm coming from?

Personally, I'm waiting. In the same boat as you.

Same boat as both of you. Thinking I will hold on to my 60D for now, invest in a 24-70 and other equipment (just got a Glidecam woohoo!) and wait til end of the year to make the Mark 3 jump.

canon rumors FORUM

I'm not sure about 'entry level' full frame. The first reason is a comment I read a Sony rep make in an interview, which appeared to suggest the A900/A850 were expensive to make and did not have high enough margins (although this could be Sony trying to justify SLT). The second reason is that I think a lot of this speculation is simply a reaction to the D600 rumours emanating from the NR website. Nikon certainly have more room to manoeuvre than Canon, especially with the existence of the 24MP Sony FF chip (and rumours of an updated version on the way). What would an 'entry level' full frame Canon look like? Realistically, there's only two choices of sensor -the 5D MkIII's 22MP and the 1D X's 18MP; not much of a product differentiation. I can't see them using the 18MP sensor, as I think this would devalue the 1D X psychologically by implying that it uses Canon's 'budget' FF sensor. So how else to differentiate from the 5D MkIII: less weather sealing, <100% viewfinder, slower frame rate, smaller image buffer? They're all a given (I would think), but Sony's experience with the A900/A850 would suggest that this isn't enough -a major product feature would have to be omitted. I'm guessing that would have to be the fancy AF system, which would leave the camera as little more than the 5D MkII with a slightly improved sensor. Unless Canon can knock them out at a very low price point, which might disrupt their APS-C line-up (refer also to my first point about the A900/A850 margins).

With regard to the 7D MkII / 70D - I don't think that there is room for both models and an 'entry level' full frame camera in the market; I feel that the 7D MkII and this '6D' (or whatever) would be a bit too close in price. I could be wrong -there may still be a market for a 'screaming beast' 7D MkII (which I basically see as a 5D MkIII with an APS-C sensor and probably a faster frame rate), at a similar price point to a basic full frame 6D.

Now the 'big if' -the high megapixel body... I know there's a lot of interest from 1Ds MkIII owners in a 1-series body that would truly be an upgrade. After all, it is these people that choose to pay (extra) for a slower, but higher resolution camera than the 1D series. Having said this, I think that it would be a mistake for Canon to choose to make their only high resolution body a 1-series camera. Nikon did this with the D3X and proved that whilst this approach gets you the kudos, it doesn't generate the sales.

Finally a quick word about mirrorless: I'm now convinced this will be a big part of Canon's Photokina plans. All the technology that Canon needs to make the perfect mirrorless camera is now in place and prototyped on other models (large sensor in a small body - G1X, on-chip phase detect AF -650D [/Rebel Kiss XXX, or whatever] , STM lenses). I call it the perfect mirrorless camera because all the models introduced so far have one flaw or other (though they are steadily improving). Let's hope that Canon can use their two years of observing the mistakes of others and produce the definitive mirrorless body accompanied by a strong lens line-up at launch (and a good roadmap).

It was a bit silly of me to mention the AF because AF doesn't matter to me at all but I thought that perhaps the whole full frame/automatic stance might be something that would sell really well for Canon. Thinking about it you're right about the undercutting the C300 and I'm most probably just being paranoid.

I think you are being paranoid. Have you looked at the Gh2 hacks? That seems to be the best bang for your buck video right now.

Also, the c300 will always have better DR over any 5D variant, presuming it uses the same 5D3 sensor.

I'm just about to pull the trigger on a 5D MK3 and I mostly shoot video, can someone please throw me a 'you're doing the right thing' bone. I'm worried that what Canon might do is make a video orientated entry level full frame borrow the AF technology from the new 650D/T4i.

Can you see where I'm coming from?

Personally, I'm waiting. In the same boat as you.

Same boat as both of you. Thinking I will hold on to my 60D for now, invest in a 24-70 and other equipment (just got a Glidecam woohoo!) and wait til end of the year to make the Mark 3 jump.

Enjoy the Glidecam. I use a Merlin and love it quite a good bit. I'm waiting to see the entry levels specs, it looks like a better cam for me since any upgrade from a 550D will be great.

How about a FF entry with no Video, you know to keep the price down, something for the purist photographers for a change…. 650D is good enough for those wanting to do video

they can disable the features sure.. but that would not safe them a cent (*).it would only make the video models more expensive but not the crippled ones cheaper.

(*) ok a few cents maybe, for the mics as an example.

As was mentioned, you wouldn't save money that way. Simple supply and demand really. If 25% of users want video, than the non-video DSLR either has to be 25% cheaper to make (its firmware already designed and a few hardware parts, so, not likely), or they have to charge 25% more for it to break even. And so on if the percentage is higher than 25%. Oh, and as an owner, it'd probably be harder to re-sell to upgrade since your market would be smaller as well.

If memory serves me, there was a poll on this forum, and it wasn't until about the 30% cheaper price point that people were willing to give up video functions in their DSLR's. So, I'd say they probably aren't going away.