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Are blocking sites to appease the corporations that donate to them? Yes!

This is blatant censorship for corporate profit. This is unjustifiable and needs to be fought in the US as it does here in Australia.

The US is really ramping up its war on intellectual property infringement, a war which I'm sure will be just as successful, cheap and supported by the people as the wars on drugs and terrorism. The US has started seizing the domain names of various websites through ICANN - not because owners of these sites were convicted of anything, but merely because complaints have been filed against them. Anyone want to take a guess how long it will be before the US government blocks WikiLeaks? Update: The blocks function outside of the US too. In other words, the US is forcing its views upon the rest of the world once again.

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Here is a list of sites that has been blocked.

Note: DO NOT TRY TO VISIT THESE SITES.

The government is tracking who visits the site and how often using Piwik software (and depending on whether or not they get their hands on the server logs, they'll be able to see everyone who went there in the past as well).

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But let's be clear--you seem almost ready to criticize obama for the very first time.

Can this be true?

NOW are you starting to see the light? Everything we have ever said about him and his intentions are true, and havign watched him with increasing incredulity, I am convinced that it is actually far worse than we think: The depth of his hatred and the breadth of his plans to destroy us.

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There is not a truth existing which I fear
or would wish unknown to the whole world."
--Thomas Jefferson

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Ridiculous. The only reason to do such a thing is when the site already IS breaking a law. If thats the case with the list of domains, then Im less outraged, but if they are just shutting domains that might be used ... well what if my name were the same as a brand?

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But let's be clear--you seem almost ready to criticize obama for the very first time.

Can this be true?

NOW are you starting to see the light? Everything we have ever said about him and his intentions are true, and havign watched him with increasing incredulity, I am convinced that it is actually far worse than we think: The depth of his hatred and the breadth of his plans to destroy us.

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Ok, first off, I've criticised Obama plenty of times on this forum. I've said many times that the I think it was terrible that Obama and McCain were the best that the system could offer up.

Second. The Republicans are behind this just as much as the Democrats. Do you the Republicans are any less in the pockets of corporations that the Democrats?

As I pointed out in the last thread on this, both Democrats and Republicans were on the committee pushing for more censorship.

3 years ago, when Bush started the department of homeland security, everyone on the left screamed out against it, and thought that voting out the Republican and voting in a Democrat would fix it. Now, you think that voting out the Democrat and voting in a Republican will fix it.

The problem is not limited to any particular candidate or any particular party. The problem is the system itself.

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Originally Posted by kazza

Hmm... good point, whoever is serving the image can track which IPs download it. Although to be honest, I don't really think the government is tracking IP addresses just yet. For starters, they would need to supoena your ISP to find out who you are. I guess I was just doing a little fear-mongering to generate some interest :angel:, (although the fact that it's a possibility is still worrying).

edit: rehosted it anyway, just in case.

Um...you will recall that obama has encouraged citizens to contact the government and provided websites to do so, for the purpose of reporting opponents of his healthcare plan. Yeah--those who disagree with him. Nothing more.

The idea that he won't use this plan to track and eliminate dissenters is ludicrous.

You VASTLY underestimate the intentions of this creature.

AS for bipartisan support...this is what we have the Tea Party for--to choke out ALL these ers.

And, again, stopping piracy is a fairly hopeful and noble intention, but this power in the hands of a monster like obama...you think HE cares about piracy? LOL

This is day one of tracking and eliminating his opponents on the internet.

Christmas, for him.

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Last edited by pwrone; 11-27-2010 at 11:25 AM.

There is not a truth existing which I fear
or would wish unknown to the whole world."
--Thomas Jefferson

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Originally Posted by pwrone

Um...you will recall that obama has encouraged citizens to contact the government and provided websites to do so, for the purpose of reporting opponents of his healthcare plan. Yeah--those who disagree with him. Nothing more.

The idea that he won't use this plan to track and eliminate dissenters is ludicrous.

So as I was saying, all of the senators on this panel voted in favor of new legislation allowing this to take place. Both Republicans and Democrats.

Meanwhile, you all attack Obama. THIS IS BIGGER THAN THAT.

You're doing exactly what they want you to do. Those of you who associate with the republicans come on here and attack the democrats. And I'm sure it won't be long before we have people in the thread attacking the republicans.

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Who would you vote for to stop this? Do you think McCain would have stopped this? He's been actively working towards this goal, fighting to prevent Net Neutrality.

He received $102,000 last year from the TV/Movies/Music industry last year. Which way do you think he would have voted if he was on the committee?

Exactly right. Its not one party, its the political body as a whole which does simply not understand the internet, or much more seriously dont give a shit.

Here in UK its the same, just not to the same extent - yet. We have idiotic politicians on all sides thinking its a good idea to make ISPs police the iternet for the govt, and threaten to remove someones internet access if they share illegal content. People have already had scumbag lawyers sending them demands for £££ for alleged sharing of copyrighted material, if they dont pay they are threatened with court. Some who have never shared any files, and wouldnt know how, old folks etc.

And its only possible because the ing idiots in Parliament dont understand the internet, probably never use the internet, and would like to tightly control it.

I even remember a fairly recent Parliamentary committee of MPs discussing with ISP representatives how to prevent adult material from being seen by kids, and talking seriously about limiting access by time of day. The look on the faces of the ISP representatives was classic. That they actually had to explain the global nature of the internet beggars belief.

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Originally Posted by kazza

I agree absolutely.

Yes, some sites break the law. Some sites allow you to buy counterfeit goods produced in China, or allow you to download movies illegally. However, censoring the internet is too much of a slippery slope. For the majority of the population, the gains are minuscule and the risks are enormous.

In Australia the proposed censorship would block wikileaks. Now whether you agree with the site or not, the thought of the government deciding to block information that is critical of the government is beyond wrong.

Great example, and why-in the world--would you think that obama, of all people, won't do this as soon as he can? He is on the record supporting any number of 'diminish the freedom of the people' proposals.

This is his dream as well as the only way to get a second term.

And we have many patriots, in the Tea Party and elsewhere, conservatives that will fight this. These ers that voted for this will be out, demonrat or GOP.

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There is not a truth existing which I fear
or would wish unknown to the whole world."
--Thomas Jefferson

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Originally Posted by thistle

Exactly right. Its not one party, its the political body as a whole which does simply not understand the internet, or much more seriously dont give a shit.

Here in UK its the same, just not to the same extent - yet. We have idiotic politicians on all sides thinking its a good idea to make ISPs police the iternet for the govt, and threaten to remove someones internet access if they share illegal content. People have already had scumbag lawyers sending them demands for £££ for alleged sharing of copyrighted material, if they dont pay they are threatened with court. Some who have never shared any files, and wouldnt know how, old folks etc.

And its only possible because the ing idiots in Parliament dont understand the internet, probably never use the internet, and would like to tightly control it.

I even remember a fairly recent Parliamentary committee of MPs discussing with ISP representatives how to prevent adult material from being seen by kids, and talking seriously about limiting access by time of day. The look on the faces of the ISP representatives was classic. That they actually had to explain the global nature of the internet beggars belief.

I cannot see any way that ANY of this can be allowed--there is simply no way to control those who make the decision.

They can and will shut down sites they 'don't like' if they have a link to a site that links to a sharing site. Blog posts with links, even hidden links...it just can't be controlled. Next we'll be talking about 'hate' sites, then news sites. Then we will just have obama TV, all day long.

obamas dream, made real.

All without due process!

It ALL must be stopped and we will stop it in the new Congress.

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There is not a truth existing which I fear
or would wish unknown to the whole world."
--Thomas Jefferson