I can just imagine the buttloads of re-subscripers if WoW's next expansion had new vanilla race models, 4th specs for each class, and the Tinker class.

11 million subs in fall 2014.

And in-game seasons, class quests, and a set of vanilla/BC servers.

Originally Posted by Teriz

Go big or go home.

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Originally Posted by AcrobaticMegalodon

I haven't checked through the thread at all, but has anyone checked if those new icons already exist? If they do, it's fake. If they don't, it's a good fake or it's real.

I think I've seen those icons before, but with another color.

Again, icon reuse means nothing, they always reuse icons while developing new spells and then switch to new icons parway through development when the art team finishes them, and then usually switch them again before the final version.

There's no point in doing full icon artwork for that sort of thing when the entire theme of a spec could end up changing in a couple weeks.

Warrior: Dragoon, range DPS warrior
Mage: Blood mage, probably a healing spec
Warlock: Demon Hunter, probably a tank spec
Shaman: Earth Warder, probably a tank spec
Rogue: Don't know what it would be called, but it would likely be a tank spec
Paladin: Templar, another DPS spec but with a one handed weapon and a shield
Death Knight: Necromancer, probably a range DPS spec
Monk: Don't know what it would be called, but probably a range DPS spec (caster or physical)
Priest: No idea, but it would probably be a melee DPS spec

New icon being tinker.

I know this is fake but the premise would certainly make the game more exciting.

It's not outside the possibility of something like this happening honestly. I don't think they could add a whole lot to the existing specializations as to imbalance the game even more, but I'd much prefer existing classes get a new specialization rather than a new class/race.

Adding more options would finally end the range/melee debate in raids these days. If every class had at least a tanking, healing, melee DPS, or ranged DPS option there likely wouldn't be much noise.

Well my Ele Shaman isn't an Engineer. Her rotation is largely based around Lava Burst procs, keeping totems up, etc. I haven't simmed her in awhile, but I think it's 55k? I've neglected her compared to my hunters.

As an tinker you tard, don't act as if you didn't know what i meant. Smartass

4th Will NEVER happen. It would make them have to recruit 50% more people to work in game design department, to balance both PvP and PvE.
Don't forget WoW is all going downhill from there. People are unhappy with PvE and even more are with PvP, most of them are leaving or taking a break until the hopeless changes come.

Again, icon reuse means nothing, they always reuse icons while developing new spells and then switch to new icons parway through development when the art team finishes them, and then usually switch them again before the final version.

There's no point in doing full icon artwork for that sort of thing when the entire theme of a spec could end up changing in a couple weeks.

How early were DK and Monk icons revealed? Not saying you're wrong, but I can't really remember. I do agree that they could very well be placeholders, but I remain sceptical.

Doesn't everyone at Blizzard have an email that is made for work? It seems weird that this guy "accidentally" got sent this picture, unless he has an email of something like "[email protected]" I could be wrong in this, and they don't use some kind of work email, or this developer just didn't use it. But if I am wrong, why him? Why would a WoW player, one out of some million, get it? If they spelled wrong on the email adress, wouldn't it be a bigger chance of some random person/inactive account would get it? I'm not good at articulating, but I hope you know what I mean.

Anyway, I really like the new speccs for each class. It's fun to think about what they could be (if this is legit). The one that seems obvious to me is Bloodmage.

How early were DK and Monk icons revealed? Not saying you're wrong, but I can't really remember. I do agree that they could very well be placeholders, but I remain sceptical.

Doesn't everyone at Blizzard have an email that is made for work? It seems weird that this guy "accidentally" got sent this picture, unless he has an email of something like "[email protected]" I could be wrong in this, and they don't use some kind of work email, or this developer just didn't use it. But if I am wrong, why him? Why would a WoW player, one out of some million, get it? If they spelled wrong on the email adress, wouldn't it be a bigger chance of some random person/inactive account would get it? I'm not good at articulating, but I hope you know what I mean.

Anyway, I really like the new speccs for each class. It's fun to think about what they could be (if this is legit). The one that seems obvious to me is Bloodmage.

Oh trust me, I'm by no means saying that this whole thing is real. The chances of a random person getting an email like this are just, well, absurd. But as other people have pointed out, it could have been a deliberate leak by Blizzard, or someone making a stupid mistake (Goblin/Worgen halloween masks). Frankly, I still find it very unlikely that this is real, at least with what we know right now.

My point was just that the icons being reused is not evidence that this is or is not fake. Because Icons are very low priority.

Hell, the reason the druid travel form icon has always been a hoof is that the cheetah form was a placeholder for a stag form that they just never got around to (until Mists). But in the ~seven years that druids had a cheetah form, they never bothered to switch out the icon for something more appropriate.

As an engineer you tard, don't act as if you didn't know what i meant. Smartass

Please don't insult other users.

I'm pretty sure his point was that you can't DPS with those engineering abilities. They're pretty worthless.

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Originally Posted by Soratrox

Oh trust me, I'm by no means saying that this whole thing is real. The chances of a random person getting an email like this are just, well, absurd. But as other people have pointed out, it could have been a deliberate leak by Blizzard, or someone making a stupid mistake (Goblin/Worgen halloween masks). Frankly, I still find it very unlikely that this is real, at least with what we know right now.

My point was just that the icons being reused is not evidence that this is or is not fake. Because Icons are very low priority.

Hell, the reason the druid travel form icon has always been a hoof is that the cheetah form was a placeholder for a stag form that they just never got around to (until Mists). But in the ~seven years that druids had a cheetah form, they never bothered to switch out the icon for something more appropriate.

I'm leaning towards deliberate leak.

What better way to get people to stop talking about the sub losses than put out a leak for the next expansion?

Oh trust me, I'm by no means saying that this whole thing is real. The chances of a random person getting an email like this are just, well, absurd. But as other people have pointed out, it could have been a deliberate leak by Blizzard, or someone making a stupid mistake (Goblin/Worgen halloween masks). Frankly, I still find it very unlikely that this is real, at least with what we know right now.

My point was just that the icons being reused is not evidence that this is or is not fake. Because Icons are very low priority.

Hell, the reason the druid travel form icon has always been a hoof is that the cheetah form was a placeholder for a stag form that they just never got around to (until Mists). But in the ~seven years that druids had a cheetah form, they never bothered to switch out the icon for something more appropriate.

I don't think it's good evidence, but I wouldn't say it's completely ignorable. We don't know how early on they make the icons for new classes.

While it's true about druid's travel form, I don't think it's a good example to prove your point. Cheetah form came after the hoof icon, which shows that they made the icon before the stag form itself. In one way it is actually against your point, because it shows that icons are made early on in the development.

I don't think it's good evidence, but I wouldn't say it's completely ignorable. We don't know how early on they make the icons for new classes.

While it's true about druid's travel form, I don't think it's a good example to prove your point. Cheetah form came after the hoof icon, which shows that they made the icon before the stag form itself. In one way it is actually against your point, because it shows that icons are made early on in the development.

His point is actually spot-on, it shows how important Blizzard regards icons.

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Originally Posted by Teriz

I'm pretty sure his point was that you can't DPS with those engineering abilities. They're pretty worthless.[COLOR="red"]

And my point was to dare him, and you, and whoever thinks tinkers would make sense, to make a rotation for each of their spec WITHOUT any of their abilities having any sort of resemblance to an engineering one, while still being able to call the result TINKER.

And my point was to dare him, and you, and whoever thinks tinkers would make sense, to make a rotation for each of their spec WITHOUT any of their abilities having any sort of resemblance to an engineering one, while still being able to call the result TINKER.

You may want to sell your account, because there's a very strong possibility of both happening.

According to who exactly?. this patchy piece of "leaked" information.

Possibility, yes, anything is possible. Its also "possible" that a clown class will make its way into the game, slapping mobs with inflatable balloons, my point is anyone could have fabricated this sketchy information. We (including me) only WANT to buy into it because its a dream scenario, a new spec for each class etc...

But is it ever a possiblity strong possibility, not until actual evidence presents itself from Blizzard, or an announcement has made. i think its safe to say this is all tin foil hat shinanigans. Fun too speculate though

Take your best shot or just shut it with your Tinkers. If you think so strongly that they are doable, at least show some ideas that don't involve two professions.

Edit: Actually, never mind. I looked at your Tinker ideas from your sig, and it basically sums up to 3 specs, one that screams engineering, one that screams alchemy, and one that looks like a dual-wield hunter.

Do you rly know what is story behind pandaren?
They were a joke which was given to W3 from crying of fan base

i answer whit cold simplicity

NEVER!

2011

Originally Posted by Blightarrow

wow will die before we get panderen. I can't explain how many people will try and name their toon with variations of kungfoopanda. NO THANK YOU, we dont need another "cute and cuddely" race, you have taurens and worgens, make due you nuch of greedy people.

There are a million of these posts here. I wouldn't be surprised if Blizz gets its idea from here.

Take your best shot or just shut it with your Tinkers. If you think so strongly that they are doable, at least show some ideas that don't involve two professions.

Edit: Actually, never mind. I looked at your Tinker ideas from your sig, and it basically sums up to 3 specs, one that screams engineering, one that screams alchemy, and one that looks like a dual-wield hunter.

So basically a hunter with engineering and alchemy. Meh.

So because you don't like the idea, it can never work in WoW? Huh.

Professions are no limitation for Classes. They're not the same thing, nowhere close. In the case of Engineering, it is the profession that offers unique enchantments and trinkets with effects. There are also bombs and stuff you can use in combat, but those can be used by any class for a DPS boost and do not encroach upon any given class ability. Herbalism has a nature-based healing ability, does this make Druids any less of a healer?

I don't care much for a Tinker class personally, but saying professions is the reason to not have a class is a fairly loose argument.