Do you guys think Nazgrim will get a model update?
Raids like these always have nice models of bosses that look 'bad ass', but nazgrim looks like... shit if we compare him to Garrosh.
I think we see Nazgrim getting a model update for SoO. (maybe corrupted too?)

What do you guys think?

Good question, I think he won't personally, but then again all they really need to do is slightly tweak the new fantastic Garrosh model (the model everyone thinks will be the new player Orc model) and he's good to go, I can't imagine a reason not to

Sad to see him die. From wotlk I always thought he's a pretty cool Orc.
Well sometime ago I remember somebody complaining to GC about the number of bosses defeat at 1% HP. Guessing blizz didn't wanna do too much of those fight endings let alone for Nazgrim, and instead apply those to corrupt Klaxxi Paragons and Golden Lotus mons in 5.4's raid.

Sad to see him die. From wotlk I always thought he's a pretty cool Orc.
Well sometime ago I remember somebody complaining to GC about the number of bosses defeat at 1% HP. Guessing blizz didn't wanna do too much of those fight endings let alone for Nazgrim, and instead apply those to corrupt Klaxxi Paragons and Golden Lotus mons in 5.4's raid.

It just makes his character arch feel pointless. all this build up where we worked alongside him, where he actually came off as a decent orc who just wanted to prove himself and show his loyalty, and in the end, it ends up killing him, and by us who fought beside him.
That just makes it feel like the character had no real value, despite being so involved in current events.

Do you think theres any hope that after we fight him, he'll come around and realize his warchiefs a monster?

I hope so. Maybe it'll be where we bring him down to like 1-5% or so and he groans out something about realizing Garrosh has gone too far, then passes out?

He's gotten too much buildup to just be another lootbox.

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--Kakurine, Evil Zone for PS1

Though i am sad that Nazgrim will probably die, who will use body parts of Thrall in his swears?

"Thrall's Balls! They're everywhere!" - Never forget.

Too often, we are mistaken for druidic types. perhaps that's true for some shaman, but do not let yourself be plagued by the ignorant belief that we are always peaceful.
Nothing about what I do is harmonious. I command the elements to my will. There is nothing offered in return. I would have it no other way.

It just makes his character arch feel pointless. all this build up where we worked alongside him, where he actually came off as a decent orc who just wanted to prove himself and show his loyalty, and in the end, it ends up killing him, and by us who fought beside him.
That just makes it feel like the character had no real value, despite being so involved in current events.

IMO it completes his arc perfectly. If he'd gone on much longer he was going to just feel like a bland recurring character.

Instead we follow his rise alongside Garrosh. Going from a grunt to a commander, then to Garrosh's chief general. Now he's going to fight for what all Orcs want, honor. In his eyes, the rebels are honorless because they took up arms against who is the rightful warchief.

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Originally Posted by Kralljin

Though i am sad that Nazgrim will probably die, who will use body parts of Thrall in his swears?

This kind of thing really makes me not want to level any new characters up. Its great when leveling and discovering these characters and seeing them develop, because lets face it, our characters are not characters, rather avatars of ourselves. So when we know certain characters will be dead by the time we each a certain level, it really makes me not want to go though it again, since the story becomes more melancholy.

And really, if they don't off Admiral Taylor along with Nazgrim, I will be so pissed. Why should Taylor get to carry on after all the shit he did, and Nazgrim becomes the loot bag.

This kind of thing really makes me not want to level any new characters up. Its great when leveling and discovering these characters and seeing them develop, because lets face it, our characters are not characters, rather avatars of ourselves. So when we know certain characters will be dead by the time we each a certain level, it really makes me not want to go though it again, since the story becomes more melancholy.

And really, if they don't off Admiral Taylor along with Nazgrim, I will be so pissed. Why should Taylor get to carry on after all the shit he did, and Nazgrim becomes the loot bag.

This kind of thing really makes me not want to level any new characters up. Its great when leveling and discovering these characters and seeing them develop, because lets face it, our characters are not characters, rather avatars of ourselves. So when we know certain characters will be dead by the time we each a certain level, it really makes me not want to go though it again, since the story becomes more melancholy.

And really, if they don't off Admiral Taylor along with Nazgrim, I will be so pissed. Why should Taylor get to carry on after all the shit he did, and Nazgrim becomes the loot bag.

And of course Trassk shows his true colors begging that for everything that happens to one side the equal must happen to the opposite.

Not excatly. It's sufficient read the Dungeon Journal for get that he fight mostly for his rigorous sense of honor and duty to the Horde, and he probably feel uneasy to "betray" his Warchief and spit on all of this. My only hope is that he will put some sense in that dumb head, and not just fight until "his dying breath".

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Originally Posted by Xeraxis

And of course Trassk shows his true colors begging that for everything that happens to one side the equal must happen to the opposite.

For what we saw until now, Nazgrim was not better or worst than Taylor.

For what we saw until now, Nazgrim was not better or worst than Taylor.

Right and he shouldn't be the mirror of Nazgrim and certainly shouldn't die just because Nazgrim may. This is why we can't have decent lore because people feel the story has to be mirrored across the factions and all things must be equal.

See that would just put Jaina into 'crossing the line' territory, and she'd become a boss down the line.

Not quite. Nazgrim is a raid boss FFS, and allied with Garrosh at that. She'd be doing Nazgrim a favor by Lok'tar Ogar'ing him away. At best it should still highlight the fact that Alliance and Horde still don't like each other.

Of course if Naz had surrendered by then and she did that, well that's dicey. Still not enough to make her raidboss candidate; her arc regarding her horde rage finishes this expansion.

I actually really love nazgrim and i hope he will die. He is the only person that isnt either mary sueish protagonist or insane mindless idiot. Giving him cliche redemption will remove any illusion of deepth garrosh storyline have. So i salute to poor nazgrim. Its a shame it has to end like that.

Nazgrim have nothing to redeem, he would just have to open his eyes. His life or death will be decided by this, at this point.

Right and he shouldn't be the mirror of Nazgrim and certainly shouldn't die just because Nazgrim may. This is why we can't have decent lore because people feel the story has to be mirrored across the factions and all things must be equal.

Sad but true, but i also kind of annoying when only one side keep winning and winning..., so... sometimes their arguments and not completely baseless