Erm.. The baby was dying and taking the mother with it..... I don't see how the second part of what you said is relevant in any way.

How is it murder if the baby was going to die anyway?

I think the only murder here was of the mother. You do not even leave a woman in active labor with her cervix 100% dilated for that long because every minute it is open the risk of infection increases exponentially.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 05:48 PM

FurthurBB, on 17 November 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

I think the only murder here was of the mother. You do not even leave a woman in active labor with her cervix 100% dilated for that long because every minute it is open the risk of infection increases exponentially.

Exactly, that was murder.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.

I agree. Any Government which murders an innocent child needs to face the full weight of international law.

The child was already dead. The abortion was to remove the dead embryo before the woman followed.

Do you misunderstand this point?

It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
-Terry Pratchett

Why is the right to life of the fetus greater than the right to life of the mother?

People are nutty, and this poor woman suffered a horrible death because of it.

I can't imagine what she went through! Knowing the baby she wanted was dying and the doctors couldn't save it, feeling the baby die and then the infection taking over her body? The whole while in such horrible pain.....cruel, cruel doctors.

Well... as I see it the abortion of a non - viable foetus is NOT murder. What IS murder is the part that the Roman Catholic Church imposes on Nation States in determining their Laws when it affects non- Catholics. Separation of Religion and State is what is at stake here - I do not want to be forced into accepting Hysterical, Jihadist - like, Christian doctrines when my own belief system believes them to be nothing more than subjugation of my own personal rights..
The Irish Govt needs to face Negligent Manslaughter charges, IMO

Depends on the circumstances.. in this particular case if a Catholic Priest had been present I think he would of asked to save the Mother if he knew the baby was going to die. I know this for a fact because I was given the 'last rites' by a Priest with regard to a pregnancy that had gone terribly wrong, the baby wasn't going to survive no matter what intervention and I was critically ill and he gave me his blessing

Some people don't take the time to read the article and the circumstances to make a knowledgeable post. It seems that the world is black and white and they will not change their opinion. It is quite sad really.

Belfast, Northern Ireland (CNN) -- The husband of a woman who died after being refused an abortion in Ireland will take the case to the European Court of Human Rights, his lawyer said Thursday....

....Despite two other government investigations, Halappanavar decided to take the case to court because the Irish health minister had not agreed to a public inquiry into his wife's death by Thursday...

What is the holdup on an inquiry? You would think since this instance caused such a huge impact on the news worldwide that the Irish Government would want to deal with it ASAP. Do they think it is just going to go away?