During the 3 hours talk with Margaret last week, she mentioned that, over the now 11 years, she has had so many contacts from various psychics, some have even sent her maps etc saying "Hayley's body is located here", and then she has spent time & $ going there and searching and finding nothing that, the experience has dashed her hopes 100 times.

Her husband gets, (or still is) totally depressed to the point, he is so ill he cannot work.

Over the 11 years Margaret confided in me that she has spent $70,000 on credit cards, paying psychics on line and driving to Badgingarra & back to search for Hayley. They are honestly struggling to make ends meet Margaret works to keep things afloat. To top it off the Tax office can't figure how her hubby makes so little per year, so now are auditing them coz they can't account for how they survive so suspect them of not declaring "non existent income".

Because of her hubby's situation - we do not make our communications known so as NOT to make him more depressed.

They have to contend with that, + trying to prepare for a upcoming coroners hearing - and no one from govt or anything is giving them any assistance, in way of a solicitor or anything to prepare the questions they want to get answered by the coroner. Margaret is a good verbal communicator, (who speaks with much emotion as you could imagine). However Margaret is not the greatest typist on a laptop - so finds emails etc very hard - I seldom ever get more than two or 3 lines at best from her.

I think she is hoping the police will follow this new info and solve the case. (As do we all) so she may well be just adopting a wait n see attitude, as far as following up 'yet another psychic' (from her viewpoint).

Take the example with Chanty that got me involved - I asked if there was anything Margaret wanted "followed up" that she hadn't had the time or $ or ability without upsetting her hubby - that I could do for her.

She gave me the chanty reading from 2007 - in 2010, that's how long she had sat on it.

The fact we acted on that and the TV show went to air is why the new evidence with the two new witnesses came to light!

Maybe if it had been followed up 3 years ago - maybe the case would have been solved by now?.

Marymary is 100% right - about so many people having fed Margaret so much BS over the years.

I am trying to do this - to take that pressure off Margaret, but as you can imagine marymary, naturally enough wants to talk with Margaret or police. Margarets had it with the police -they botched this case from the start (no plane for a search at the time because it was being used to find Robert Beguki - the yank who wandered off in the desert for a religious experience!).

I could answer these questions for mary mary, I could provide the photos that she needs etc. She seems to be worried about someone here - and I suspect maybe she is worried about me? I don't know why, All I am trying to do is help - not trying to "get in on the act".

I've spent considerable time with Margaret & Hayley's sister Toni, up at Badgingarra searching and down in Pinjarra recently as last week getting background info.

I don't want to try and inject myself between marymary and Margret or between marymary and yourself if she feels that y motives aren't pure or selfless.

It's just frutrating for me is all - maybe that's what marymary is picking up on - who knows.

When I saw Margaret last week i gave her the timeline I had prepared from google earth al printed out in color and on cardboard backing rolled up with a dossier of notes trying to summarize what we believed MAY have become of Hayley based on all that we know.

She then sent me a copy of the email from WAPOL about their interviews with the 2 new witnesses which was not encouraging.

I then wrote a 5 or so page word doc as a "suggested reply" for her that if she wants too - she can copy paste into a reply email to WAPOL hopefully getting them to connect the same dots we have.

These are all things I try to do to hopefully take some of the pressure off Margaret, make her life hopefully just a little bit easier.

If Margaret doesn't contact mary mary - then I would be happy to do so on her behalf, if mary mary has no objection to that.

I am trying to use my past experience in law enforcement, to do thsi research on Margarets behalf so that she doesn't have too - the LAST thing I want is for Margaret to be the one to physically find her child's remains. I am prepared to take on that obligation on her behalf and hopefully get the police to bring her child home to the family, so that they can find closure.

Maybe if marymary understands this, hopefully she might be OK to work with you and I Chris, in order to shield Margaret from any more of this - because it's an unpleasant enough task for anyone let alone the mother of the child.

Maybe marymary will pick up on this intuitively - I don't know. Maybe you can try to explain it to her?

At the end of the day, I can't force Margaret to respond to marymary - nor can I force marymary to communicate with me so - essentially my hands are tied unless - god willing, something changes.

If marymary could maybe think of me as a "researcher" (can't legally say investigator or PI in our state) engaged by Margaret to do this work pro bono for her - maybe that would change marymarys attitude to working with me rather than Margaret herself?

She could email Margaret and ask her permission, to provide me with information, if she prefers?

A genuinely very nice lady - I couldn't imagine going, thru what she and her family have suffered thru, for 11 years now.

She IS very understanding in that she does recognize that people genuinely want to help - when they contact her and each tries to do it in their own way - sometimes not even realizing that the attempt might be painful for her or the family.

She certainly has toughened up as a result of this whole ongoing process.

That said - she's also an emotional lady, whose pain shows thru sometimes no matter how hard she try's to stay on top of it.

There's nothing I would like more than to bring an end to this for them as a family.

We've had crap weather for more than a week now - I want to get back up there for a search - tired a being cramped up in this house, I need to get out, so hopefully she & mary mary will come up with something.

One thing - will Margaret save a copy of hers & marymarys conversation so we can mine it for clues after the fact - it's so easy to 'forget minor details' along the way sometimes. (Or can mary save a copy for you?).

She wants to chat to Margaret also through paltalk, and maybe also chat with the retired detective with the bad ticker or chest probs.

SLAL can you supply me with a better picture of Brad Hammond and his father who also is involved with this somehow. She heard spirit say "owner, owner"

There is also a bar in the area that he bragged it to.

After the chat, Mary may ask you to take photos of the area for her....
She says she sees the body of Hayley on the ground, but cannot work out the area...
She has seen Hayley in Spirit. She is very weak. Called Mom a few times.

She was describing the dark italian features of this person, and when i showed her the pics of the 3 amigos, she felt it was brad that was involved.

She also mentioned all these 3 are also involved in petty crime and robbery.
Wombat has some link to Sydney, she didnt say anymore.

Mary is usually online around midnight Sydney time. Hope you can keep awake.

I've just downloaded paltalk, but haven't yet worked out how to use it.

Do I need like a microphone and vid camera attached to my PC, or do i just type like a online chat room to talk with you and marymary?

I signed up as SLALOT - maybe you & mary mary can invite me into your chat session?.

Midnight your time is easy for me coz we are 2 hours ahead here in Perth (GMT +8, Perth Singapore Chinese Taipai Time) so whats a midnight chat for you will be 10PM for me?... (I think).

I can take photos on site for MM no worries if I know what she is looking for.

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maybe also chat with the retired detective with the bad ticker or chest probs

I'm assuming this might be private detective Mick Buckley, who did a re - enactment of Hayley's walk with Margaret...back in about Yr 2006 or 2008 maybe. I'm guessing here that he's the one - unless there was a police man involved questioning suspects back in 1999 who's since retired that has a bad ticker? (We would need Margaret to advise in that respect).

I will see what I can get in the way of more photo's of Brad, I don't have anything of Keith Hammond in the way of a Photo maybe Margaret has?

The only bar in the area that I know of is the Badgingarra one, but Moora is actually closer to the farm by road than Badgingarra is.

She was describing the dark italian features of this person, and when i showed her the pics of the 3 amigos, she felt it was brad that was involved.

That's odd because when I look at the 3 Amigos pics I felt that Jamie fella looked like he had Italian or Eastern European bloodlines - his big square set jaw sort of looks like he may have relatives from there somewhere in his background maybe.

I'll get you another pic of Brad in a moment or two.

Not sure what Wombats link with Sydney is except that I suspect it MAY be the source of supply of the date rape drug GHB which he allegedly used on Danell 6 weeks prior.

There's something about that photo of Brad, maybe its just me - I don't know, but I REALLY think - that HE (Brad) LOOKS a heck of a LOT like the picture of the guy on the CC TV Video that the police released of one of the guys seen speaking to one of the Claremont SK girls that police released on the TV recently after all these years.

Brad doesn't always live on the Farm with his dad I don't think - he was schooled and lived with his estranged mum down Mandurah way, so he could well have partied on the nightclub scene at Claremont hotel, and the guy on the vid has a haircut, just like Brads, IMHO. I just get a strong gut feeling about that. (But I could be wrong on that aspect).

Hammond Senior's alibi was that he was in another town at a shire meeting, which I'm sure police confirmed, putting him out of the picture EXCEPT that, I think he KNOWS that his son Brad was involved somehow, and has been covering for him ever since - by NOT telling the Police at the time about the incident with Wombat & Danelle 6 weeks prior to Hayley's visit & directing them to search other neighbors farms closer to town suggesting that he suspected THEY were the likely culprits i.e directing police AWAY from his farm and son..

I suggest his 'involvement' might well be, that he's been providing disinformation for 11 years.

I tried copying the photo etc but it is only 20mb in size and seems to shrink to a size that it unrecognizable when I try and save then upload it to my photo-bucket account, so marymary will have to view it on his facebook link would be best I think.

She emailed me - to say shes under a lot of stress in her private life ATM and hasn't had any quality quiet time to devote to the issue. I sent her Margaret's comments about requiring something that ONLY she and Hayley knew (i.e. that isn't available publicly on the net) before Margaret would get interested and communicate with her.

Margaret's failure to parley with mary seems to be some kind of block to her - and that could well be how those things work but its unlikely we will alter her beliefs system.

It's a shame Chris but I've learned not to push things in areas that don't happen easily - it just blocks further progress often...as no doubt you know all too well.

Here's something for you - last night just as I was drifting off too sleep....I found myself visualizing a specific "vehicle" that in the dream I "seemed" to recognise.

It was a 'green' (mid range green) 1975 Ford XB Panel van, I saw it clearly from the front.

Many years ago i owned a sky blue 1975 xb ford station wagon, and it WASN'T my car, it definitely was green and a panel van.

I woke straight after this dream thinking to myself - "what the hell are you doing, dreaming about a vehicle you've never seen or owned?'...quite confused - & then it hit me like a brick & I felt like an idiot.!
I think it is related in some way to this Hayley Dodd case!.

Reportedly, on the police time line, there WAS mention some kind of green vehicle that overtook at high speed, one of the last vehicles to have spotted Hayley, walking along the side of the road. I think it was the vehicle i dreamed about, my dream was so clear i could see the front grill and recognized it as an XB (not an XC from 1976 for example) I knew the difference in my dream, and in real life coz I once owned an XB as stated.

This got me to wondering...

Anyone driving an XB in 1999 - (when it was made in 1975) is driving a bloody old car! 24 years old in fact.

Typically such a vehicle MIGHT be bought cheap for a few hundred dollars and driven by a kid of 17/18 whos just got his drivers license, and wants a shaggin waggon! That's sure what they were used for, when I was a lad of that age!.

So - now I am wondering.....

One of our "scenarios" - the one possibly most likely involving Stephen, requires that he and or Jamie comes home at around lunch time to the farm to find Hayley either walking along the road or just arriving at the farm.

So, now I am wondering if, one of those lads owned such a vehicle at that time?.

I am thinking that the young girl Danelle, who worked at the farm as a housekeeper briefly and was allegedly assaulted by Stephen would possibly know what sort of vehicle, the lads all owned / drove (or at least recognize a photo of one similar)?

This color & year model.

This Panel van body style.

Anyway - that aside,

Margarets emailed saying that WAPOL have left a message for her to phone them...so who knows they may have more news of some kind.

On reading the past post since may 2010 i think all these post need deleating there is so much wrong information where people have become confused or missunderstood the information given too them that it could miss lead others. O'connell is not a school teacher he is a farm worker and i do not think posting photo's of people who may nothing to do with Hayley's case is a good idea. Untill we have something more concreate we should restain from naming people.