WASHINGTON (CNN) - CNN has obtained detailed photographs of a new stealth fighter being tested in China.

It is the second such stealth fighter China has tested in as many years and appears destined to become the communist nation's future aircraft carrier-based fighter jet, according to weapons analysts.

The plane, dubbed by outsiders as the J-31, was test flown Tuesday in Shenyang. According to the analysts, the two photographs obtained by CNN appear to have been leaked by officials in China.

J-31 Chinese fighter jet. (Photo cjdby.net)

"It has to be an official photographer because nobody else can get that close to the airplane," said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org. "These are all publicity photos from the factory, and I could not imagine that the factory would publicize these things without somebody higher up in the food chain authorizing it."

Richard Fisher, a senior fellow in Asian military affairs at the International Assessment and Strategy Center (IASC), agrees these are not pictures sent out surreptitiously by some Chinese aviation aficionado. "The Internet censors are controlling this process, have no doubt that."

But Fisher said the reason for the release may not be as threatening as some might imagine.

"It's being done in a way to help promote pro-military nationalism in China. There's just a huge, large audience in China for this kind of information. It's kind of like NASCAR."

No matter who let the pictures go public, they won't answer all the questions surrounding China's fighter program. "They don't want to reveal anything that's truly useful to a foreign military or intelligence service," Fisher said.

In January 2011, China tested the J-20, a fighter jet with stealth characteristics, much like the American F-22.

J-20 Chinese fighter jet. (Photo from IHS/Janes)

Fisher said the J-31 appears be a lighter fighter jet similar to the American F-35.

"The J-20 is the heavy stealth fighter, (The J-31) is going to be the medium-weight stealth fighter. It's very much in the same vein as the F-22 versus the F-35, with the Raptor, the F-22 being the heavy fifth-generation fighter for the U.S. Air Force versus the medium-weight F-35."

Pike said that could be the case, but it may be that China is test flying both prototypes and will choose just one to put into production.

While these are both fifth-generation fighter jets, that doesn't put them on par with America's two newest fighters.

For example, Pike said China's jet engines just don't come close to American engines. "This is a sucking chest wound of Chinese military aviation."

Pike said the primary Chinese military jet engine is based on an American design. "We started development of this engine back in the '60s. Then they commercialized it in the 1970s. Then the Chinese got a hold of it 20 years ago and it's still no good. It's a half century-old design that they've been working on for two decades, and it's still no good."

Fisher has a higher opinion of that engine. "It's not entirely true that China is currently facing massive problems. They've actually had some measure of success."

And Fisher said China appears to be developing a brand new engine for the J-31. "The engines that will likely power the J-31 we do know a bit more about. Those engines were actually revealed at the Zhuhai show in 2008," Fisher said referring to an annual China air show. He believes the new J-31 engine is undergoing preliminary testing.

Another problem is the stealth characteristics of the plane.

The J-31 is designed to have a stealthy shape. "From the side profile, it really looks like a 75% (scale) F-22 from the bottom, and the top profile it very much looks like an F-35."

The J-31 may have the stealth coatings that help it absorb radar signals instead of letting them bounce off and give away its position.

But Pike explained the plane has wide seams where different parts of the plane come together. "The seams form something the radar can bounce off of. I'm looking at some close-ups of the J-31 and it's seamy. It's got all kinds of seams and ripples on the skin."

Fisher agreed. "Yes, that's definitely a fair assessment, but what we can say is that it will have a definite low-observable capability, that's for sure."

While it may start out as a land-based fighter, Pike and Fisher both said it could become China's carrier-based fighter jet when the nation builds a second, catapult-based carrier. Their first carrier, currently undergoing sea tests, uses a ski-jump style flight deck to launch planes.

So should America start worrying about these new fighters ?

"Who else do you think these airplanes were designed to fight?" Pike said. "If the Chinese think that their military is a lot stronger than anybody else in the neighborhood, then they're going to throw their weight around."

Pike estimated the J-31 might become a threat in 2027. "You would expect to see the Chinese stealth fighter enter operational service, I don't know, 15 years from now."

Fisher is predicting much sooner.

"My estimate is that the J-31 will start entering squadron service in four to five years."

Your broken Chinglish is comical but seriously why in China do you cook dogs and cats for food? We do NOT eat our pets here in the USA. This is one of the worst things any human being can do. Stop cooking your pets China!

China's goal is not to "beat" the United States. China's goal is to avoid regime change. Over the last decade the Chinese people have come to expect an unsustainable economic growth rate. Part of the leadership's strategy is to appeal to Chinese nationalism. This stealth plane is probably 90% for domestic placation and 10% for planned combat.

Please take off the tinfoil hat and try to understand the rest of the world isn't out to get you.

"...become the communist nation's future..." To call China "communist" is just dumb. China gradually left communism after Mao's death and is today and flourishing capitalist nation. China being a dictatorship doesn't make it more "communist" than Nazi Germany under Hitler. The article writer Larry Shaughnessy doesn't seem to have much of a clue what communism means. North Korea is communist. Cuba is still for the most part communist. China is anything but communist, regardless of what the party calls itself.

to say they are not communist is dumb. sharing wealth is only part of the communist story, and is rarely if ever truly implemented. more important is their approach to governance and democracy (or lack of) that makes them communist. Instead of a dictator they have a panel of dictatorship. they are communists.

I'm sure glad none of you folks are in charge of anything other than your keyboards....fools all of you! I say let China be #1 and the responsibility that goes with it. Who cares? Maybe add something new and creative to the world. With the talent pool of a 1.5 BILLION maybe cure cancer or AIDS? Time will tell...also if all fails America can just defaut on the loans and not pay! What in the world could China do? Can't squeeze blood from a turnip!

How many of our problems can we solve when we are collectively stronger and more intelligent as a species? How about 100% electric cars that go 500 miles per charge? Solar energy that cut Middle East oiil dependency to a mere 10% (reserved for world's militaries only)? Organic high yield-to-cost ratio farming? Nano technology courses as a pre-cursor to higher education?

This world can do WITHOUT religion fanaticism, famed exports of the Middle East. We can cooperate.

The problem is nobody is buying the little electric cars - even with the massive government tax subsidies to which you and I contribute generously from our paychecks. And wind power costs $20 bucks per kilowatt hour, compared to pennies for coal generated electricity.

November 3, 2012 at 6:21 am |

silent observer

Because none of the model is able to go 500 miles per charge. Because power-to-cost ratio is low for renewable energy, because.... Generally, our current technology is nowhere near advanced enough for a sustainable living into the future. We have lots to do and to work together!

November 3, 2012 at 6:40 am |

Adam

Then we can all come together by the campfire and sing Kum-by-yah. Get real. Every time an electric car is introduced it is ridiculed. Even if a car did get 500 miles do you think people are going to charge the car before the battery runs out? Look up in NY and NJ they had a week before the storm hit they still were not ready.

November 3, 2012 at 6:51 am |

Innovation

You sound right, Those cool things are what all people on earth need, unlike those crapy nationalists just shouting with hatrate words.

One big characteristic I see is the lack of "stealthy" jet exhaust such as that of the F-22 and the F-117. Also, the F-22 can vector its exhaust for maneuvering. The Chinese plane appears to have conventional exhaust like that found on the F-15 Eagle.

junk, shape is all wrong, too many hard angles,and huge flat! surfaces, and with the gear down its signiture will be huge,,,junk! China,, cheap Junk,,,as per,,,funny they cant seem to really think OOTB isnt it??.. I suppose thats why they steal so much tech,,do you really think the-22 is "cutting edge"?.. bwa ha ha...not!...

You think this is an actual photo of China's stealth fighter? Dude, the real plane is locked up tighter than Area 51, and this photo was published exactly so American military planners can spot its "weaknesses" and plan their detection methods accordingly. Remember we didn't admit the existence of the U-2 until the SR-71 had already replaced it, and we didn't admit the SR-71 until the UAV drones had taken its place. No military ever reveals its current capabilities.

why are so angry about China? just do not use the stuff they made, that is all. Or because they dig out your ancestors from under ground? the only explanation seems that you feel the falling pains. but anger helps nothing, bone head.

Hey coconot...Figured out why you hate Chinese people so much...Your significant other cheated on you with a Chinese because his small cack was bigger than yours...Your derogatory terms show that you posess no actual intellect and that you are in fear of the Chinese. Why you scared bro?? Don't want your next lover to cheat on you with another Chinese?? Well how bout a little bit of STFU and maybe you can be happy with yourself...

China...You need to learn to type/speak English better if you want to talk to the big dogs...How bout this, type in Chinese so we don't have to hear/see whatever it is you are trying to convey; oh, that's right, ENGLISH is the preferred language of the WORLD!

If you ever plan to be on our level (USA) learn to speak properly and learn to INNOVATE not IMITATE...

This is a message to our *many* Chinese agents in these comments here. We know who you are. We know that you operate as Tom, Bob, Dick, Harry, Johnnie, Susie, Silent Observer, Free opinion, moderate guy, surfer dude, and whatever western sounding names you can think of. We know you're Chinese. You aren't fooling anyone. You've been doing this for a few years now and it's not only old, it never worked in the first place. You can't get do propaganda over the Internet. It won't work. People read every outrageous claim imaginable on the Internet. They put no faith in it. The Internet is more for entertainment than information passing from strangers. The Internet has credible sources, but they aren't anonymous Chinese commenters.

They may not get concentration camps but some of them may be doing jail time. I know I will drop a dime on any Chinese person I see stealing technology or even looking at stuff they shouldn't be. I will do it and laugh in their face as they are hauled off to jail.

I'm serious when I say that the US should form underground clubs that monitor the activities of Chinese nationals in the US. These people should be terrified to come here and steal our technology, or try to learn how to sabotage us in some other ways. Instead they are greeted with smiles that assume that these backwards creeps are just like us, or even think like us.

Political correctness is no longer a joke. It's a recipe for disaster. China is counting on us to continue our passive approach towards them. It's the only way their plans will work. We have the abillty to stop them. We just need the will to do it. We need to turn our back on those who are lulled to sleep by the dragon and take care of this menace ourselves. It's time to organize, underground resistance to China's intentions. Otherwise we'll be organizing underground resistance to China as it occupies the free world. Better now than later.

bacos, you are really clue-less. America is full of people of Chinese descent who do wonders for the U.S. Right here on CNN today, I clicked on a link to an article about a researcher or professor from Stanford University talking about how they are developing solar panels made from carbon. While she speaks English, and may be an American citizen, I can tell from her accent and looks that she is Chinese, and not born in the U.S. The U.S. is a country made-up of immigrants. They ARE the U.S.! Unless you are a native American, you are either an immigrant yourself, or a descendent of immigrants. How about keeping an eye on you too, being ready to send you back to wherever you or your grandparents came from? It is foolish to be paranoid about Chinese. China is not a nation hostile to the U.S., so what really is the problem? China is a business partner and friend of the western world. Where does this American paranoia come from?

I am European, but please feel free to fantasize about me being Chinese, or a Chinese agent. That would fit right in with the sentiments I am trying to describe here.

One common ground most of the comments posted here: they all sound juvenille and overwhelmingly enthnocentric.

Both America and China need more people with intelligence who can analyze objectively without sounding like rednecks/yellow fever from the woods.

Something Americans should know about most Chinese: Most Chinese are not Communist. When common Chinese folks stand up to speak for China, they are speaking on behalf of their nation (NOT government), their culture, and their people. If you want to understand why Chinese feel the way about China now, a comprehensive understanding of Chinese history and its development is essential. Even if China is no longer a Communist state today, China will still compete with America militarily, with an even higher intensity and energy. Why? Because this thing about US vs China or vice versa is more cultural than it is political.

For the Chinese, please do understand Americans today are seeing the age of American unilateralism beginning its diminishing course. So, if both sides can be sympathetic and respectful, this world is really big enough for two or even four to five superpowers to prosper TOGETHER

Technologies in human history has always been shared and copied, through trade, espionage, or other means. Nothing wrong.

No I strongly disagree. Intellectualism when dealing with China got us into this mess. Intellectualism assumes that all sides are negotiating in good faith, and have empathy for their fellow human being. Intellectualism fails when dealing with Muslims and countries like China. China will smile in your face while it stabs at your back. Your reason and virtue are useless to you, and useful to them. China's mentality is backwards, and somewhat uncivilized. But they are quite willing to fool us into thinking they are like us and can appreciate a good handshake and respect for their fellow man. To them it's just a game to fool us. Anyway, I know you're just one of their agents trying to disarm us. Tribalism cannot be fought with logic. It has to be fought with tribalism. We can go back to our enlightened state when this threat is out of the way. Ask the enlightened people of China how much it helped them. You can't, because they are either dead or wish they were in a some gulag somewhere..

We have something in common. I supposed we both despise religion fanaticism. One thing I feel strongly though, bacos, is that the major governments in the world should work hands in hands to contain Islamic fanaticism that is on the spread. This threat is far greater than mere ideological or cultural conflicts between the West and the East.

I strongly disagree with you when I feel you already had a predetermined lenses of looking at yourself and the Chinese. I do not adore Communism, but the lack of civility of the Chinese, I agree, only because I also understand this is a result of Mao's failed Great Leap and Cultural Revolution. Chinese civility has A LOT to do with that part of their history. If you are willing to learn more about them you will find them looking more familiar to you: an equal human being. Also referring to historic evidence, when China was great, she was top of the world. When foolishness took over China it sunk as deep as the backwardness you rightfully mentioned. Give them some time. I believe Communism in China is almost over. Also do understand the concept of "time" in Eastern culture is vastly different than in the West. You might expect change in 5 years, but they look at change in at least 10.

Also, remember Chinese and Americans fought together in WW2?

November 3, 2012 at 5:46 am |

bacos

For the Chinese, please understand that you are worthless copycats. If you think you are smart then invent something and stop stealing it. The US IS better than you. Don't listen to your own Chinese imposters giving you compliments. Everyday we laugh at how screwed up your country is. Every day. These people who compliment you are Chinese. Even with an English name. Of course they will compliment you. We laugh at your expense daily.

Already the US is countering China by sharing some of the technology that China stole from us, with India. Their own regional rival (who has never so much as even given them a hard time). The US is doing technology transfers with India, and there are plans on joint weapons development. This is in the news on other websites. I wonder why CNN does not show it. Does China's money power have influence on CNN? It doesn't matter. The US outmatches China, yet we don't rely on that alone. We have a strong alliance of freedom loving people around the world. They aren't going to let China go on a bloody rampage without ensuring they will get something equal or worse in return.

I'm sorry, but in your mind you are the rulers of the world. To us you're just cheap labor, easily replaced by Brazil, Maylaysia, etc. I guess you have to believe that assembling parts makes you powerful.. here's something you might not like.. all that assembling you are doing used to be done in so called "lesser" asian nations. You are like cheap labor to them.

USA has better pilots than China... and better planes. US pilots would outfly any Chinese pilot. The US has been building planes like this J-31 for many years. It is a new technology for China. By the time they figure out how to fly the J-31 well, the US will have more modern jet fighters that will outfly anything China builds. China just wants to copy the US jets. Anyone who knows about planes and pilots will already know this...

So pretty much it is just a stolen US F-22 raptor body variant without the real stealth technology or the interconnected joint strike fighter computer system. So technically all it is an expensive replica of a US 5th generation fighter without the brains, stealth, or firepower capabilities. Hacking only gets you so far these days, China.

You are forgetting that wars may be fought with weapons BUT they are won by men ... and in that sense America has way better men than Chine. US Soldiers are the most loyal, patriot men in the world So no matter what China does their soldiers will never compare in bravery and in valor as a US Serviceman so just forget it US will always win because He always has the better

hahahahahahaha LOL! You're kidding right?! America has the most patriotic men in the military in the world?! Let me tell you what I have noticed from people who I know who joined the US military. I know people who joined the military in high school who wouldnt even stand up in the morning to say the pledge of allegiance. I know people who have joined the military to just get the benefits of the GI bill so they can go to college. I know of people who have joined the military for just the benefits and because they werent doing nothing with their lives so mom and pops forced them in enlist or be on the streets. Don't get me wrong there are a few who join to be the few and the proud, but that is a very small fraction of people. Get your facts straight. Oh and I know people who are in the military as of right now who are smoking weed like crazy and dont take their job in the military seriously. The few and the proud LOL

The missle technology of China now is world number one(oh yes, admit it) because of Ch'ien Hsüeh-sên who was sent back to CHina by USA because he might be communist.
"the most stupid thing USA has ever done!"

The Chines students in USA's universities are most gold medal holders of science olympics.
They do not go to USA, they go to Canada, Australia, UK... and the will go back to China to become next Ch'ien Hsüeh-sên.

Your missile technology is about as good as your cell phone technology. It's just a cheap knock off whatever you can get your hands on this week. You lack the capability to design complex modern weapons from the ground up without "borrowing" technology from abroad. You're a second rate regional power with big dreams but you've got about fifty years of work ahead of you. Better get started.

It may sound racist, but who cares. The Chinese are as racist as they come. Desperate times call for desperate measures. We should all form underground clubs that spy on Chinese college students and monitor their activities. We should all be looking over the shoulder of that mainlander. I don't give a damn what people call me. These people want us dead in the long run, so **** them. I know what's in my heart and I know I'm not racist against anyone who isn't trying to kill my country's future.

In the first pic take a look at the logo on the vertical stabilizer fin; it looks amazingly similar to Pratt & Whitney's logo. Pratt & Whitney makes the engines for the US F-35. Coincidence or a rub in the face to the US?
P&W logo can be found here –> http://jakespilotshop.com/pratt-whitney-wings-logo-t-shirt.html

It's time that the US got rid of it's Politically Correct intentions when dealing with Chinese nationals in the US. While our intentions are 21st century, last century Chinese will use it against us like a weapon. So we have to stoop to their level, in a sense, to get them out of our country and keep them out of our technology. The US should immediately and indiscriminately fire any Chinese nationals in US corporations. Or children of Chinese nationals from corporations. In fact, even two generations of Chinese Americans should be heavily screened before having jobs like this in the US. They have no business working in our high tech industries. They can go to China and reverse engineer crap there if their heart is set on it. We have plenty of smart people from Americans and other nationalities to take their place, before some idiot talks about how we need their skills. The Chinese come here for one reason, to rip us off and take our spoils back to their screwed up homeland. We should not be shy when dealing with them.

Can you imagine a Chinese defense contractor hiring Americans? Sounds absurd doesn't it? Wouldn't that make them racist? Hell if they care, and I say we do the same. Kick these Chinese out. You can't decide which country you are loyal to? Really the one that killed 80 million of you or the one you enjoy freedoms in? Fine we will decide for you. Get the **** out.

By the way Mr. Jeng, let me expose your "big secret." 80% of the Western sounding names here are Chinese. You guys are so ****ing stupid if you think you are tricking us. Your own reliance on your deceit will be your undoing.

You are forgetting that wars may be fought with weapons BUT they are won by men ... and in that sense America has way better men than Chine. US Soldiers are the most loyal, patriot men in the world So no matter what China does their soldiers will never compare in bravery and in valor as a US Serviceman so just forget it US will always win because He always has the better

One common ground most of the comments posted here: they all sound juvenille and overwhelmingly enthnocentric.

Both America and China need more people with intelligence who can analyze objectively without sounding like rednecks/yellow fever from the woods.

Something Americans should know about most Chinese: Most Chinese are not Communist. When common Chinese folks stand up to speak for China, they are speaking on behalf of their nation (NOT government), their culture, and their people. If you want to understand why Chinese feel the way about China now, a comprehensive understanding of Chinese history and its development is essential. Even if China is no longer a Communist state today, China will still compete with America militarily, with an even higher intensity and energy. Why? Because this thing about US vs China or vice versa is more cultural than it is political.

For the Chinese, please do understand Americans today are seeing the age of American unilateralism beginning its diminishing course. So, if both sides can be sympathetic and respectful, this world is really big enough for two or even four to five superpowers to prosper TOGETHER.

No I strongly disagree. Intellectualism when dealing with China got us into this mess. Intellectualism assumes that all sides are negotiating in good faith, and have empathy for their fellow human being. Intellectualism fails when dealing with Muslims and countries like China. China will smile in your face while it stabs at your back. Your reason and virtue are useless to you, and useful to them. China's mentality is backwards, and somewhat uncivilized. But they are quite willing to fool us into thinking they are like us and can appreciate a good handshake and respect for their fellow man. To them it's just a game to fool us. Anyway, I know you're just one of their agents trying to disarm us. Tribalism cannot be fought with logic. It has to be fought with tribalism. We can go back to our enlightened state when this threat is out of the way. Ask the enlightened people of China how much it helped them. You can't, because they are either dead or wish they were in a some gulag somewhere..

November 3, 2012 at 5:17 am |

UNCSAMWNTSU

Chinese history books are totally different than world history books, why is that? Answer is they rewrite history and their ignorant people believe it.

USA lost in Korea and Vietnam, and they kowtou in beijing to Mao Zedong.
17 trillion debt.
Come on, if one country can be rich by debts, every country in the world can do that, they do not do that because they know how to write the word: Shame.

It's time that the US got rid of it's Politically Correct intentions when dealing with Chinese nationals in the US. While our intentions are 21st century, last century Chinese will use it against us like a weapon. So we have to stoop to their level, in a sense, to get them out of our country and keep them out of our technology. The US should immediately and indiscriminately fire any Chinese nationals in US corporations. Or children of Chinese nationals from corporations. In fact, even two generations of Chinese Americans should be heavily screened before having jobs like this in the US. They have no business working in our high tech industries. They can go to China and reverse engineer crap there if their heart is set on it. We have plenty of smart people from Americans and other nationalities to take their place, before some idiot talks about how we need their skills. The Chinese come here for one reason, to rip us off and take our spoils back to their screwed up homeland. We should not be shy when dealing with them.

Can you imagine a Chinese defense contractor hiring Americans? Sounds absurd doesn't it? Wouldn't that make them racist? Hell if they care, and I say we do the same. Kick these Chinese out. You can't decide which country you are loyal to? Really the one that killed 80 million of you or the one you enjoy freedoms in? Fine we will decide for you. Get the **** out.

The US remembers Korea, thats when we moxed down 10000 Chinese like they were grass. U were used as human bullet magnets. The US would have had to invade China, why would we do that, we got what we wanted, the end of NK invading south. U should thank us, wr would have killed u by the millions

China's never had a domestic defense industry. You're still eating the scraps from the USSR's table. You'll never surpass Russia until you can build your own weapons, and at this point you don't even hold a candle to us. Wanna test it out? Not one plane, boat boot would make it within visual range of Hawaii, let alone the mainland. You guys can't even keep Taiwan in line, stay in your own yard.

USA dares to bommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmb china again?
How many USA soldiers were killed by Chinses in korea and vietnam?
You want to be killed by chinese again?
Then in the middle Russia join into the war and
eventually USA is settlled down.
In the history USA never won one single war if they did not join to the war in the middle.

You are forgetting that wars may be fought with weapons BUT they are won by men ... and in that sense America has way better men than Chine. US Soldiers are the most loyal, patriot men in the world So no matter what China does their soldiers will never compare in bravery and in valor as a US Serviceman so just forget it US will always win because He always has the better men.

Remember when there was a breach in the Lockheed Martin network by China? Honestly getting to a point where all this reverse engineering non-sense should be equating to telling China that they can either nullify our debt to them, or pay off the entire JSF program in full for leeching off AMERICAN innovation.

This is not the second chinese fighter, its the second type, the first type is J20, the first and second J20 were tested months ago.
J20 is of Chengdu factory.
J31 now this one is of Shenyang factory.
Complete different factories.
Chengdu is in the far south,
Shenyang is in the north.

China should start working together with someone that has a bit more advanced planes. EU or some country that has plane production. Then it would level the field faster so US don't get any stupid ideas now when they are moving into China territory with its navy.

I know! Lets spend even more than the current 1 trillion a year on government health care (not even counting the private health care sector) so we have no money left for national defense at all! China will follow our lead for sure.

Its all show so their ignorant people can feel good about having no freedom, and being used as slaves by the ccp. China's leaders arent dumb enough to send this against an f anything just to see it blown out of the sky. If that happened the ccp would lose all power over the chinese brainless zombies.

This isn't an F-22 clone, its an F-35 clone. The F-35 had its first test flight 2006. To get an aircraft like this flying takes at least 8 years. That means while Bush was invading Iraq, his defence company mates were selling the designs to the Chinese after US tax payers spent almost a trillion US dollars on the F-35 program. China gets the plans and the US tax payer foots the bill. Enough said?

No one sold anything to the Chinese. They stole it piece meal. And not all of it, for sure.

November 3, 2012 at 4:26 am |

bacos

It's never enough said for face saving Chinese. They always have to get the last word in because they can't stand the fact that they have contributed virtually nothing to this world in the last 100 years. And they can't live with that. So they have to save face by sabotaging countries that have contributed. And especially those that have contributed greatly. A sick society, if you will.

They are trying really hard to copy. Trust me in some time, american technologists and their gadgets will have wear veil because chinese can copy anything they see.. I am not commenting on the quality though 😉

Chinese are preparing themselves again against USA over their debt. China is the world biggest creditor why America is the world biggest debtor with war power. The Chinese need war power so as to be able to reclaim their money from the American. Americans should forget the copy story and start saving to pay its debt.

They only need a fleet of submarines they can park outside of US coast. Then there isn't any need to waste money on the rest of the military. If US tries anything they can nuke it back to the stone age.

America ain't perfect, never has been. But go live in China for 5 or 10 years and try spouting your opinions and see how quickly you are shut down. Don't know where you're from, but the USA has tried to promote freedom & democracy in the world... what has China tried to promote? I'm probably wasting my breath (keystrokes) here, but think about it, USA hater.

As abominable as America is, they are still preferable to China. That said, why are American taxpayers spending trillions on weapon systems when the defence companies are just selling the designs to the enemy on the sly?

November 3, 2012 at 3:58 am |

Kyle

Most of the world chooses not to have huge standing armies or spend on national security. Most nations ask the US to do it for them, and we oblige.

Joaquin
So what exactly is the advantage of this plane over the US warplanes? What makes it so different that the US has to be worried about?
The speed; a small plane with 2 engines and the pricing for exports.

IPhones were made under hand supervision of Americans. Won't happen for this plane.

November 3, 2012 at 4:28 am |

Judywire

They should use the money to feed their people and not wasting it on machines with fake parts. The picture looks great but who will want to fly a plane that is made with fake motor cycle's engine? China will never be militarily strong as long as what they do is steal intellectual property. My message to China is to cool down and never think about going to war with the West. Anyone can assemble flying objects with tomato cans and dirt bike engines which is what this plane is.

Not me, because the chances of it escalating to the exchanging war heads would be a bad day for all of us. I would much rather see America kick Chinese butt is the economic market rather than at war. This way we get to live above ground for a little bit longer. War Monger !!

Exchanging war heads? I like it. China has 1.5 billion people to lose and densely populated. I like our odds of winning.

November 3, 2012 at 4:28 am |

DP

They're still perfecting their espionage tactics including how to break into military computers so that they can basically steal all our technology for free. After all everything we buy in the US, including network cards, contain chips made in china. So it makes it relatively easy to steal technology. -lol-

You may be surprised to learn that military networks are indeed built largely from components that come out of the same factories in China that produce the Walmart computers you referenced. This includes classified networks, and it's been a "known issue" under active discussion in security circles for quite some time.

November 3, 2012 at 2:29 am |

Steve

I'm not sure on that one. When I was in the military most of the computers we had weren't from Walmart. They all had a logo saying "Great Wall". Do you think............

November 3, 2012 at 4:57 am |

bacos

Why do we need chips made in China? Chips were made in Thailand and Malaysia 10 and 15 years ago respectively. Who needs China?

Walmart, Dollar General, etc. And also the 47% of Americans who happened to be their customers.

November 3, 2012 at 6:04 am |

dallas Alphonso

Did they not learn anything from US, the quickest way to grow broke is to build military crap we don't need or will ever use. Unless they are building these to sell, i am not sure to whom but in any case it is still a waste of brain power, man power and money

coconot the kwok head, a kwok zucking kwok zucker's logic is that he thinks he is a creative and innovative kwok zucker.

November 3, 2012 at 2:42 am |

GouLiang

$5

November 3, 2012 at 3:00 am |

Rogue351

Because they are friends with Russia. I think it says something about this in a history book someplace. Communist party, cold war ? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows history ? It's all fake anyway the earth is only 6 thousand years old and men walked with dinosaurs, John McCain is a war hero and Sarah Palin can see these planes flying around her house in Alaska ?

They're not for fighting America. China has no interest in that just yet. They're for taking over neighboring countries, starting with Taiwan. China will be strong enough that the world will do nothing about it. Why was Korea split in half? Why did the U.S. lose Vietnam? In each case it's because the U.S. did not want to go up against China. And that was a long time ago, when China was much weaker. The U.S. will be the last country China fights against.

Man you are ignorant. Chinks didnt even want South Korea. North Korea tryed to unite the two Koreas into one and be one big communist korea. North was winning and then the US came in and started fighting the North far back into their land and North almost lost their side of Korea and when this almost happened China came in and supported North Korea and sent waves and waves of Chinese soldiers fighting along side North Korean soldiers and pushed the Americans and South Koreans back into South Korean territory in a few weeks and that is when the Chinese wasnt even as powerful as they are now. All of you who keep talking smack about China and talking about you aint scared of the Chinks and blah blah blah. Well I hope you put your money where your mouth is because the US and China will eventually fight each other and if Americans thought the Vietnam war was bad then Americans don't even want a glimpse of the Chinese American War. Plus if America goes against China you better believe that Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria, India and all the terriorist groups will be right along side of China. America doesnt want this war to happen. It will either mean the end of America or the end of man kind as we know it.

you silly coconut head. You're probably empty headed in there 🙂 please stop being racist. It's people like you who cause hate and spread it around. Please be considerate of others, and that would be much appreciated!

November 3, 2012 at 1:41 am |

coconot

chinks are racist fck chinks

November 3, 2012 at 1:51 am |

Pumpkin Pie

Please stop using such derogatory terms. If you're one of my fellow Americans, then please don't make our country look bad. Seriously, the USA has a bad name from other countries already because of the many racist Americans making such rude and unnecessary comments, just like you are doing. How would you like it if someone made a racist comment to you?

November 3, 2012 at 2:12 am |

Vera Waitress

Chinese students are the hardest working, and they are also the funniest– they're tuned in to the absurdity of cramming for course tests and all nighters.

It's not an American Eagle on it, And the President didn't help them with it! Stupid people, it is not hard to design a plane, It takes money. China has a large amount of that, and plenty of educated Scientists, Engineers, and Technical individuals to create this kind of stuff, do people really believe we would be the only ones to create these kinds of Machines?! Wake up, We are not the only Country out there able to create things anymore. And thank those responsible for shipping out our Jobs like Mitt Romney, and Those Like him....

Pike said. "If the Chinese think that their military is a lot stronger than anybody else in the neighborhood, then they're going to throw their weight around."

That's exactly what USA has been doing worldwide....including killings thousands of innocent civilian, children & termed them as 'Collateral Damages' as happened in Iraq (the excuse for invasion was basing on lies), Afghanistan to named a few,

My country just signed up to pay $35 billion dollars for an aircraft (F-35) that the US has either handed the design to China or had it stolen. Either way any sales of the F-35 are now totally compromised. The US is a sinking ship of corruption, its military cannot even keep its tech secret anymore. Time to stop buying their junk.

The United States has the highest amount of Military equipment in the world. (Jets,tanks,boats,ships etc) We are also the most heavily equipt. The US is not getting information that is classified released. Even about tech. Do you think they would do that? If they did we would know all of the so called UFO plans they have and even higher tech stuff not even built yet. FOr an example, Since 9/11 their hasent been a terrorist attack, A successful attack yet in new york. Why? Because they upped security, and created a special task force that deals with just terrorism. I dont know why you think they are getting high tech information released. If they are big whoop. Its 2012 in the year 2050 our knowledge of Biotechnology and weapons will have more than doubled. People are going to get information somehow about the US just like we do from other countries.

You live in fantasy land. You have outsourced your defence industry to private companies who don't give a hoot about US security, they just want to make money. As a result, your technology is getting leaked/sold/stolen by anyone and everyone. But pay your taxes, keep handing that money to Lockheed so they can give the technology you pay for to China.

November 3, 2012 at 4:11 am |

DickPerry

There hasn't been a terrorist attack simply because there isn't any needed. When they need to do a new attack there will be one. It doesn't matter though. Terrorists has never managed to kill any bigger amount of people at one time. The most so far is around 2800 which is less kills than US traffic manages in a month or US citizens manage to kill with guns in 4 months. So fear of terrorists is like being afraid of bees. Its a irrational fear that is used by politicians to remove rights/freedoms from people all over the world, especially in USA. No other western country has allowed its government to kill its citizens or detain them indefinite without a court involved.

For the engineer who was on here before talking about restrictions to design options due to certain laws of physics and structural design needed when creating a stealth aircraft. I think you should look at this link and then tell me if it was not easy for the Chinese to copy the F-35's design.:

It's true, laws of physics pretty much define the shape of the plane. Having those "schematics" is no help that are not even as detailed as you find in university level text books. Engines really boil down to materials science. If you can make the turbine blades you can build the engine. The hardest part to turning out thousands and thousands of blades that all work well. After that building an engine is not so hard.

I get that. But given that there are already other designs out there it is interesting they decided to go with the design that is almost exactly they same as the F-35. Given that it took the US a few years to come to the design specs that are in the more current 5 gen fighters, how is it that China skipped the whole process the US had to go through in order to come to the same conclusions. Oh ya because not only can you find the specs online, but you can find them in even greater detail in your so called text books. I am not a conspiracy nut like others that post on cnn, it just doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how China came up with their current designs.

November 3, 2012 at 2:12 am |

UNCSAMWNTSU

Who thinks this is gonna fall apart before it reaches the battlefield? Im glad the Chinese are making these, and here I thought our F22 wasnt going to have anything to shoot down. Just like the fake iphone, fake F22.

Sorry but you are out of your depth. Your corrupt government has created a situation whereby it willingly compromises the defence of its own citizens by giving corporations open access to defence technology. This has allowed the Chinese to steal/be given technology that cost US taxpayers trillions. What a nation of morons.

Of course the Chinese can copy almost anything. They can reverse engineer and also look at the parts that Boeing and Airbus have them built and figure out how to build parts for their fighter. Sill, that will not make their fighter equivalent to the F-22 or F-35 in term of air superiority or will be able to fight the F-22 or F-35. The other big equation is the avionic and that is not something that they can get a hold of easily. Even with the partners, the US still control the avionic and program and code that control all the functions of the airplane. We don't give that away, even with closet allies. We can give or sell them the same plane, but if it does not have the same avionic, it is not the same. Get it.

The timing of this story couldn't be more obvious. Why don't they just photoshop that cancerous Charletan John McCain on the wing of this thing!? He canvassed a few weeks ago for an increase to the already bloated $650 BILLION annual war machine boondoggle THE SAME WEEK that the embassy attack happened. Curiouser and curiouser.

I can't wait to visit there actually. I have a few friends from work who are from China, and they say it's a blast and the people are really friendly– they invite you to stay overnite even if they haven't known you for even an hour.

Of course, and I would not say copying, but the United States of America, is providing the technology to build that kind of plane. I work at a University, that is flooded with Chinese students. I asked a physics professor that teaches upper level classes what nationalities were his students; he told me all 18 students in one of his classes are Chinese . Oh! and they are not the polyester type of 15 years ago, they dress with designer clothes, have fancy cell phone and laptops, dye their hair, but not blonde but in different colors. They drive European cars, not American's; such as,(Mercedes, BMW, Audis), and not the cheap ones. Another peculiar thing is that almost all, are younger than 22 but they are graduate students . I have asked them in several occassionhow come they were soo young, and they said they don't take vacations, holidays, or weekends is 365 days a years.

You have it right. If the Chinese over run the world it is because that work harder than anyone. 1/2 of our kids drop of of high school in some cities. Over there in China we see these kids in school nearly 24×7.

China is three times the size of the US and the people there work as much as there are physically able, twice as much as Americans.

Depends on if you're talking about the A, B, or C models. Based on the design, it'll probably perform like the A or C models though with inferior electronic warfare capabilities and a larger RCS, and it probably won't have vtol capabilities like the F-35B.

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