It is pretty safe to say after last week’s episode that the alternate timeline is not just a possibility and that Desmond will probably be key to how the two timelines merge at some point in time. Like most Desmond-centric episodes, Happily Ever After was amazing – the re-appearances of Charlie and Daniel were perfect in terms of moving the storyline along.

Tonight’s episode refocuses the storyline on Hurley and MIB/Locke –

Synopsis

Hurley agonizes over what the group’s next move should be; Locke is curious about the new arrival in his camp.

Desmond wants to see the plane manifest because he wants to show the people on there something but I wonder what he is going to show them and how? Charlie and Daniel saw what they saw after seeing the women they fell in love with had they been on the island. So is Desmond going to show them the people they fell in love with on the island? If thats the case, Jack saw Kate on the plane and nothing appeared to happen

Yes, we do love Hugo. As for love, Libby is on tonight. Hugo not losing weight? Too much island barbeque. Just kidding…BTW… I still say it should be “Lockemonster” as opposed to “MIB.” The new arrival must be Michael. What will his role be?

1. Have we learned why Hurley never lost any weight while on the island? I thought they had mentioned this would be explained…

2. Why do they keep referring to f/Locke as “Locke” in the promotional synopsis?[/quote]

D&C refer to him as Locke too. It’s hard for me to follow whatever line of thinking they have regarding that, because to me Locke is dead, and MIB, is another entity. I don’t even view him as Locke, not in the least.

I am continuing to struggle with this whole ‘two timelines’ thing. Libby obviously remembers Hugo from the time on the island, but how exactly? I’ve read on other threads here about how when someone dies on the island, they are ‘set free’ to live their other lives in the alt. timeline. Is that what is going on? I can’t quite get how the sequencing of events is playing out.

[quote comment=”373281″]Anyone else get the feeling that hugo is acting like the real locke used to act?[/quote]
Yes and it makes me miss Locke. Actually, come to think of it, I’ve been missing Locke all season!

I’m guessing that it is up to Desmond to kill MIB since the he is immune to the elecro-magnetic thing that Widmore tried on him which I’m guessing is the equivalent to the electricity of the Smoke Monster. I also find it interesting that MIB was surprised to see Desmond and he did not expect to see him, yet he knows (is waiting) Hugo, Jack, Sun, and Lapidus are coming and everything else that goes on. Maybe Desmond is the only person that can sneak up on him BEFORE MIB has a chance to speak. Thoughts?

yooo desmond just ran over locke so mad the episode had to end, this is the first time jack’s seen flocke isn’t it, who is the bot maybe the referee of this game, flocke doesn’t completely know wat desmond is capable of and neither do we, i say desmond is the key to it all

Desmond is not dead and I think his role does have something to do with an immunity to Locke. There has to be some reason he just ran him down in the Sideways world. It has to translate to the Island world.

I don’t think that Desmond is dead. In fact, we have seen Locke and Juliette wake up at the bottom of a long fall already. I wonder what is at the bottom of this well. Flocke made a point of telling us that this wasn’t the same well, but does this well also have something that Desmond can use? Not necessarily a frozen donkey wheel, but something related to moving the island / changing time / merging timelines.

when will they answer the question about why the numbers are bad luck, and its origin other than jacob liking numbers and matching them up with the candidates, i wonder if the the order of the numbers are the order in which the losties were on the plane, the oceanic 815 manifest, first hugo-4, locke-8, i forgot the order of who comes after but u see my point.

So if the whispers are stuck and Michael said not to blow up the plane…the whispers will be free when the cork comes out of the bottle. They may not be on MIB’s side…but they may have a mutual goal. To get off the island.

[quote comment=”373293″]Desmond is not dead and I think his role does have something to do with an immunity to Locke. There has to be some reason he just ran him down in the Sideways world. It has to translate to the Island world.[/quote]
He ran him over to “wake him up”.

I had to check back in here to say I was happy for Hammer (and the rest of us, but mostly Hammer) that we got a partial explanation to The Whispers. But, if Michael is stuck there because of what he did, why is Boone stuck there (I believe it’s been demonstrated that Boone is one of the whisperers)? Who are the other Whisperers and what did they do? Why exactly can’t they move on, and who or what is stopping them from moving on? And is there a way to allow them to move on? Whispers previously accompanied the appearance of wet Walt to Shannon back in season 2 – how does that tie in?

Also, why does Pierre Chang look almost exactly the same in 2004 as he did in 1974?

Oh, and I agree with those who say Desmond isn’t dead.

Well I better stop now lest I incur the wrath of my antagonists. Happy viewing, all!

So if the whispers are stuck and Michael said not to blow up the plane…the whispers will be free when the cork comes out of the bottle. They may not be on MIB’s side…but they may have a mutual goal. To get off the island.[/quote]

Might be that the whisperers will not be free when the cork comes out of the bottle. Michael said he was there because of what he did. So they might be stuck until they do something to balance the evil they did while alive. So they may not have a mutual goal. Or not.

[quote comment=”373270″]Desmond wants to see the plane manifest because he wants to show the people on there something but I wonder what he is going to show them and how? Charlie and Daniel saw what they saw after seeing the women they fell in love with had they been on the island. So is Desmond going to show them the people they fell in love with on the island? If thats the case, Jack saw Kate on the plane and nothing appeared to happen[/quote]
altJack saw altKate and had a strange feeling. altDes knows the love angle works and the near death experience works. After talking to Hugo for a few seconds, and stalking him, he knew the love angle would work. For altLocke, he decided to go with the near death experience to “show him”.

at the beginning of the episode when Hurley was discussing charities with his Mom, did he mention a charity called “the Human Fund”? (The Human Fund was a fictitious charity that George Costanza made up and told people he was donating money in their name as a Christmas gift.)

[quote comment=”373309″]Desmond running over Locke in FSW will bring Jack & Locke together again in the ER.Does Jack fix Lockes back so he can walk in the FSW ?[/quote]

I thought that too, but how would Desmond know that running Locke over with the car wouldn’t kill him or even fracture his spine so Jack would get called in? Maybe his clairvoyance is more specific than we thought…

After this ep it seems to me that Des is not so much merging the timelines, but correcting the wrongs so the FSW is the ideal life for each character. They all thought the island-life was terrible, yet each needs a part of it to be happy in the FSW.

Desmond had such a sense of peace in this epi. It reminded me of Claire when she was hanging out with Christian in Jacob’s cabin. Why all of the sudden the sense of peace?
When Hurley was looking through Illana’s stuff: what was the title of the book she was reading, and what was in the bag with the drawstring?
I still am musing about the ‘constant’ string in Lost and the writings of Victor Frankl, namely Man’s Search For Meaning….

So – is Desmond the new Chuck Woolery for today’s “Love Connection – 2010”?

Is Hugo the new Jennifer L. Hewitt as “Ghost Whisperer”? (butt seems about the same size.)

Does FSW road-kill Locke qualify for an episode of “Law & Order:SVU”?

Did Llana get in trouble for a DUI in Oahu?

Will Ben Linus deny it when Richard tells everyone that “Ben is MY beyotch now!”?

When will Sawyer regrow a pair and get the Losties back on track?

Did Miles wimp-out? Or is he following the $3.2 million Ben Bounty? Or is his still a Widmore loyal keeping tabs on the terrible, trembling twosome?
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hurley hasn’t lost weight for the same reason everyone else looks the same and not scrawny and starving bc there is still food available for everyone to eat thus allowing hurley to eat as much as his appetite desires.. do you really still care about THAT question with ALLLL the other questions the show has produced?!!

2) Just bc we, the viewers, know theres’ a fake locke doesn’t mean all the characters on the show have figured that out yet!

quote comment=”373269″]couple of things:

1. Have we learned why Hurley never lost any weight while on the island? I thought they had mentioned this would be explained…

2. Why do they keep referring to f/Locke as “Locke” in the promotional synopsis?[/quote]

[quote comment=”373311″][quote comment=”373310″]HEY, so when Hurley looked in that blue bag, was that the stones from Adam and Eve?[/quote]
Jacobs ashes are in the bag[/quote]

I remember Ilana putting some of Jacob’s ashes in the bag but why did it make a noise like stones when Hurley picked it up? I was totally shocked to see Ilana blow herself up especially after saying she had prepared her whole life for this. The only other event that was a surprise was Desmond attempting vehicular homicide. My first thought was, here’s payback for pushing me in the well dude.

We pretty much knew what the whispers were and it was obvious Flocke was going to push Desmond in. Little does he know, Desmond has survived much worse. Flocke isn’t going to get rid of him that easily. The island isn’t done with Des yet.

[quote comment=”373314″][quote comment=”373309″]Desmond running over Locke in FSW will bring Jack & Locke together again in the ER.Does Jack fix Lockes back so he can walk in the FSW ?[/quote]

I thought that too, but how would Desmond know that running Locke over with the car wouldn’t kill him or even fracture his spine so Jack would get called in? Maybe his clairvoyance is more specific than we thought…

I cant imagine the reason illana is in bandages in that one episode is bc of the explosion where pieces of her body came falling down to the ground in this episode!! If anything i think shes in bandages bc of another mission she had done for jacob hence her tears in her eyes when jacob tells her he has another mission for her!

Also Des does survive the fall as demonstrated by the trailer for the next episode. PS GOTTA love the willy wonker “crazyness” reference…thats exactly how you feel when you try to wrap your head around allll the questions!!

Yea but des knows that if he just gives locke and jack another chance to CONNECT and kiss 😉 (jk about the kiss) they may have a chance to remember!!

[quote comment=”373322″][quote comment=”373314″][quote comment=”373309″]Desmond running over Locke in FSW will bring Jack & Locke together again in the ER.Does Jack fix Lockes back so he can walk in the FSW ?[/quote]

I thought that too, but how would Desmond know that running Locke over with the car wouldn’t kill him or even fracture his spine so Jack would get called in? Maybe his clairvoyance is more specific than we thought…

[quote comment=”373270″]Desmond wants to see the plane manifest because he wants to show the people on there something but I wonder what he is going to show them and how? Charlie and Daniel saw what they saw after seeing the women they fell in love with had they been on the island. So is Desmond going to show them the people they fell in love with on the island? If thats the case, Jack saw Kate on the plane and nothing appeared to happen[/quote]
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Desmond DOES want to show the people on the plan what HE already knows. Desmond has figured out (thru Charlie “showing” him via a near death car accident/ trauma), has become AWARE that he is able to toggle between BOTH his parallel lives (the one on the Island and the one where he is Widmore’s Right Hand man). He understands that the sideways life line “none of it matters” (Charlie) and that the true course of his life is the life he has with Penny and his existence on the Island. He is very calm when he comes out of the electromagnetic “test” because he has figured all of this out. In the parallel life, where he is Widmore’s Right Hand man, I think he wants the plane manifest in order to track down all the people on the plane, and enlighten them (as he was enlightened by Charlie) to the existence of their true alternate life (on the Island). Hence he runs over John Locke in his wheel chair. A trauma to make him REMEMBER his other life on the Island. The trauma in the car in the water helped Desmond remember his other life with Penny. Charlie choking on his stash on the plane, helped him to see memories of Clair. Hurley kissing Libby helped him remember…etc. This is all just theory though…:)

[quote comment=”373281″]Anyone else get the feeling that hugo is acting like the real locke used to act?[/quote]

Blowing up the black rock reminded me of Locke blowing up the sub to stop Jack and Juliet from getting off the island. Neither of them knew why they were doing it and if it was the right thing or not. they just did it.

[quote comment=”373323″]I cant imagine the reason illana is in bandages in that one episode is bc of the explosion where pieces of her body came falling down to the ground in this episode!! If anything i think shes in bandages bc of another mission she had done for jacob hence her tears in her eyes when jacob tells her he has another mission for her!

Also Des does survive the fall as demonstrated by the trailer for the next episode. PS GOTTA love the willy wonker “crazyness” reference…thats exactly how you feel when you try to wrap your head around allll the questions!![/quote]

Some of us don’t watch trailers and they are considered a spoiler on this site. This has been discussed before. Yeah, I didn’t think Des was dead, but I don’t need someone telling me that they saw it on the trailer. Please respect the rules of this blog. There are other blogs for spoilers…thanks

1. I think the kid in the forest who keeps following and angering/frightening flocke is Aaron.

2. Jacobs ashes could be in the bag but I think it is just as liekly that they are the diamonds.

“While burying Nikki and Paulo (believed to be dead), Sawyer removes the diamonds from their pouch and sprinkles them over their bodies. (“Exposé”) The diamonds were buried with the bodies, untill Miles Straume took them”

[quote comment=”373303″]So if the whispers are stuck and Michael said not to blow up the plane…the whispers will be free when the cork comes out of the bottle. They may not be on MIB’s side…but they may have a mutual goal. To get off the island.[/quote]

Disagree. I think the whispers’ goal is to move on, not to “get off” the island, as a human would. More likely that the whispers will be free not when the cork is let out of the bottle, but when MIB is defeated.

I’m thinking the whispers are agents of Jacob, guiding those who have free will. And once Jacob can prove to MIB that humans are essentially good, the whispers will be freed, MIB defeated, and the Losties can go home.

I’m thinking that the good guys (Jack, Kate, Sun, Jin, Sawyer, etc.) will ultimately be the ones to get off the island by way of the Ajira plane (which is why Lapidus is still tagging along with them). And why the whispers are tryig to prevent Richard & Co. from blowing up the plane.

Of course, that flies in the face of Jacob’s advice to Ilana to always follow Richard.

The reason Desmond is “waking” people up in the sideways world: It’s very simple. When they wake up in the Sideways World, they know what to do on the island.

After Desmond wakes up, he knows what he has to do. He returns to the island knowing exactly what his role is. Since he can travel between both universes, he also knows what his role is in the Sideways World.

After Hugo wakes up, Hugo on island also knows what to do. He has help from Michael, but his awareness goes deeper than that.

Also, remember that he told Jack that he’s not sure why he lied to Richard about Jacob; he just did, because he felt it was right.

Therefore, Desmond has to wake the Losties up, one by one, so that they can realize their potential on the island, and stop Flocke. Right now they are clueless. (With the exception of Hugo and Desmond)

It’s curious though that Desmond would hit Locke with the car. As Locke is dead on the island, I don’t imagine that Flocke will benefit from a newly awakened AlternateLocke… It must be that he wants to wake Jack up instead. And I guess that means that Kate isn’t Jack’s soul mate… Kate must be Sawyer’s.

im wondering if Des is immune to Flocks “powers” of the touch? i noticed when Des was released from being tied up that Flock helped him up from the ground. Or does it mean that Flocks touch isnt the way he gets his followers, but by making false hopes for people.

Aslo – at the hospital, he should also be able to wake up Sun and Jin… Claire is there as well, hopefully she can still be saved on the island and join the ranks of the Losties trying to bring down Flocke.

[quote comment=”373337″]The reason Desmond is “waking” people up in the sideways world: It’s very simple. When they wake up in the Sideways World, they know what to do on the island.

After Desmond wakes up, he knows what he has to do. He returns to the island knowing exactly what his role is. Since he can travel between both universes, he also knows what his role is in the Sideways World.

After Hugo wakes up, Hugo on island also knows what to do. He has help from Michael, but his awareness goes deeper than that.

Also, remember that he told Jack that he’s not sure why he lied to Richard about Jacob; he just did, because he felt it was right.

Therefore, Desmond has to wake the Losties up, one by one, so that they can realize their potential on the island, and stop Flocke. Right now they are clueless. (With the exception of Hugo and Desmond)[/quote]

I like it… Richards answer to the problem is that he needs to blow up the plane— but that may not be right… no greater being told him to blow up a plane, he made that decision himself.

I was trying to figure out why Isabella would say one thing “stop the MIB” and Michael would say another “do not blow up the plane” but they are not really saying anything… they are “guiding” different people… blowing up the plane vs. not blowing up the plane are the sides divided by Richard and Hugo. There is gonna be more than just two or three sides…

The only thing I don’t like is that this whole “enlightenment” theory still sounds strange… I noticed Hurleys attitude and expression change on the island along side his Libby story… And Hell, even Libby seemed a little off (“you mean I’m not crazy?!”) Libbys always strange though…. (Devil Advocate theory) Love does not always make a man do the right thing.

[quote comment=”373336″][quote comment=”373303″]So if the whispers are stuck and Michael said not to blow up the plane…the whispers will be free when the cork comes out of the bottle. They may not be on MIB’s side…but they may have a mutual goal. To get off the island.[/quote]

Disagree. I think the whispers’ goal is to move on, not to “get off” the island, as a human would. More likely that the whispers will be free not when the cork is let out of the bottle, but when MIB is defeated.

I’m thinking the whispers are agents of Jacob, guiding those who have free will. And once Jacob can prove to MIB that humans are essentially good, the whispers will be freed, MIB defeated, and the Losties can go home.

I’m thinking that the good guys (Jack, Kate, Sun, Jin, Sawyer, etc.) will ultimately be the ones to get off the island by way of the Ajira plane (which is why Lapidus is still tagging along with them). And why the whispers are tryig to prevent Richard & Co. from blowing up the plane.

Of course, that flies in the face of Jacob’s advice to Ilana to always follow Richard.

As always… I need a tylenol.[/quote]
Semantics….’moving on’ IS ‘getting off the island’ in my eyes.

[quote comment=”373339″]im wondering if Des is immune to Flocks “powers” of the touch? i noticed when Des was released from being tied up that Flock helped him up from the ground. Or does it mean that Flocks touch isnt the way he gets his followers, but by making false hopes for people.[/quote]

I thought that Des grabs Locke’s hand because he does not fear Locke. Those who do not touch Locke’s hand fear him. Locke seems happy when Jack’s face turns from joy and relief to fear. It seems as if Smokey thinks fear is the most powerful of emotions.

[quote comment=”373338″]It’s curious though that Desmond would hit Locke with the car. As Locke is dead on the island, I don’t imagine that Flocke will benefit from a newly awakened AlternateLocke… It must be that he wants to wake Jack up instead. And I guess that means that Kate isn’t Jack’s soul mate… Kate must be Sawyer’s.

Poor Juliet. And poor Jack. Ahh look at all the lonely people.[/quote]

Des says he knows who Flocke is: “You’re John Locke.” Does Des know something that we don’t? Will awakening Locke in FSW somehow awaken the Locke in Flocke?

Here is something ponderous. Christian showed up on the freighter and told Michael he could ‘go now’. We assumed that meant he atoned for killing Libby and Ana Lucia and the island was done with him so he could die and move on. But now he’s a whisperer trapped on the island because of what he had done. Huh?

[quote comment=”373344″][quote comment=”373338″]It’s curious though that Desmond would hit Locke with the car. As Locke is dead on the island, I don’t imagine that Flocke will benefit from a newly awakened AlternateLocke… It must be that he wants to wake Jack up instead. And I guess that means that Kate isn’t Jack’s soul mate… Kate must be Sawyer’s.

Poor Juliet. And poor Jack. Ahh look at all the lonely people.[/quote]

Des says he knows who Flocke is: “You’re John Locke.” Does Des know something that we don’t? Will awakening Locke in FSW somehow awaken the Locke in Flocke?[/quote]
If Flocke turns back into Locke, (Locke always wanted to stay on the island) then Locke will blow up the plane to keep everyone there.

But since Flocke isn’t a human, he only looks like one, that seems like a stretch…Locke’s body is in the ground. ZOMBIE SEASON!

[quote comment=”373342″][quote comment=”373336″][quote comment=”373303″]So if the whispers are stuck and Michael said not to blow up the plane…the whispers will be free when the cork comes out of the bottle. They may not be on MIB’s side…but they may have a mutual goal. To get off the island.[/quote]

Disagree. I think the whispers’ goal is to move on, not to “get off” the island, as a human would. More likely that the whispers will be free not when the cork is let out of the bottle, but when MIB is defeated.

I’m thinking the whispers are agents of Jacob, guiding those who have free will. And once Jacob can prove to MIB that humans are essentially good, the whispers will be freed, MIB defeated, and the Losties can go home.

I’m thinking that the good guys (Jack, Kate, Sun, Jin, Sawyer, etc.) will ultimately be the ones to get off the island by way of the Ajira plane (which is why Lapidus is still tagging along with them). And why the whispers are tryig to prevent Richard & Co. from blowing up the plane.

Of course, that flies in the face of Jacob’s advice to Ilana to always follow Richard.

As always… I need a tylenol.[/quote]
Semantics….’moving on’ IS ‘getting off the island’ in my eyes.[/quote]

My point is that I don’t think the whispers want to necessarily “let the cork out of the bottle.” Perhaps by helping out the Losties and working on Jacob’s side, they will be allowed to move on.

“I won the lottery, and I really like chicken, so I bought it.”[/quote]

Sweet! Do we know if he used the same numbers? Or does it matter?[/quote]
We don’t, my guess is that we won’t be told. I think we are to assume that they are the same because it does matter. THOSE are the numbers, always have been and always will be.

My point is that I don’t think the whispers want to necessarily “let the cork out of the bottle.” Perhaps by helping out the Losties and working on Jacob’s side, they will be allowed to move on.[/quote]
Gotcha. I am assuming that just like in life, some are on each side of good and evil. Some want to cork out and some don’t.

I see the FSW as a type of Matrix/ illusionary world, where things might look nice and shiny on the surface, but are not realy. Desmond, Charlie, Daniel and Hugo are starting to figure it out. They are begining to wake up from the “Matrix”, and are realizing that this is NOT their real life. I agree that once they are awakened in the FSW, their “real” self on the island realizes what needs to be done.

I think last nights episode definately answers the question of whether Jacob is the good guy and MIB the bad guy. MIB attempted to kill Desmond because Des did NOT FEAR him! MIB is all about installing fear- hence NOT the good guy.

Did anyone else notice how many times the word God was mentioned last nite. In the beginning it was something like this God Forsaken Island, and then I heard God only knows. I need to watch it again for the exact quote, but thought that it was interesting how many times the wod “God” was mentioned.

When we saw Ben last night in FSW outside the school, I was hoping that something would happen to wake him up and make him remember that he never left the island in a different timeline. But alas, Des just wanted to run over locke.

[quote comment=”373345″]Here is something ponderous. Christian showed up on the freighter and told Michael he could ‘go now’. We assumed that meant he atoned for killing Libby and Ana Lucia and the island was done with him so he could die and move on. But now he’s a whisperer trapped on the island because of what he had done. Huh?[/quote]
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I have touched on this before, but it could be the person themselves not wanting to go yet…they still have unfinished business. It could also be these “lost souls” are still needed to help protect the island. Michael was told he could go but he himself does not feel like he has done enough yet.
I still think MIB was somehow the connection to Christian (not Jacob) and I do think that when Jack helps defeat Flocke he is going to help set his dad free…he will free his soul and he will be able to move on.

[quote comment=”373350″][quote comment=”373344″][quote comment=”373338″]It’s curious though that Desmond would hit Locke with the car. As Locke is dead on the island, I don’t imagine that Flocke will benefit from a newly awakened AlternateLocke… It must be that he wants to wake Jack up instead. And I guess that means that Kate isn’t Jack’s soul mate… Kate must be Sawyer’s.

Poor Juliet. And poor Jack. Ahh look at all the lonely people.[/quote]

Des says he knows who Flocke is: “You’re John Locke.” Does Des know something that we don’t? Will awakening Locke in FSW somehow awaken the Locke in Flocke?[/quote]
If Flocke turns back into Locke, (Locke always wanted to stay on the island) then Locke will blow up the plane to keep everyone there.

But since Flocke isn’t a human, he only looks like one, that seems like a stretch…Locke’s body is in the ground. ZOMBIE SEASON![/quote]

That’s what I was thinking… I don’t think that Locke’s awakening in altverse will affect Flocke on the island… since Flocke is not really Locke. Although, there have been some curious moments where it looked that Flocke was embodying Locke’s human qualities… so just maybe….

But I doubt it. I think that the purpose of Locke waking up in the altverse is to awaken Jack, and possibly Jin and Sun, who are also presumably in the hospital. Also, as I’m guessing Locke is already in the process of waking up (it seems those who died on the island are fast to pick it up), maybe he’ll be recruited to help Desmond in his efforts. That is, if he’s conscious for the rest of the series…

[quote comment=”373359″]I think last nights episode definately answers the question of whether Jacob is the good guy and MIB the bad guy. MIB attempted to kill Desmond because Des did NOT FEAR him! MIB is all about installing fear- hence NOT the good guy.[/quote]

I agree that the element of fear is a strong motivator in Flocke’s actions, but I don’t think he killed Desmond because Desmond didn’t fear him. After all, Desmond told him directly that he assumed Flocke was John Locke. Flocke said nothing to the contrary, so he wouldn’t have expected Desmond to fear John Locke…

I think he threw Desmond down the well because he’s valuable to Widmore, and therefore trouble for Flocke. Widmore’s plan is to thrwart Flocke’s.

[quote comment=”373363″][quote comment=”373350″][quote comment=”373344″][quote comment=”373338″]It’s curious though that Desmond would hit Locke with the car. As Locke is dead on the island, I don’t imagine that Flocke will benefit from a newly awakened AlternateLocke… It must be that he wants to wake Jack up instead. And I guess that means that Kate isn’t Jack’s soul mate… Kate must be Sawyer’s.

Poor Juliet. And poor Jack. Ahh look at all the lonely people.[/quote]

Des says he knows who Flocke is: “You’re John Locke.” Does Des know something that we don’t? Will awakening Locke in FSW somehow awaken the Locke in Flocke?[/quote]
If Flocke turns back into Locke, (Locke always wanted to stay on the island) then Locke will blow up the plane to keep everyone there.

But since Flocke isn’t a human, he only looks like one, that seems like a stretch…Locke’s body is in the ground. ZOMBIE SEASON![/quote]

That’s what I was thinking… I don’t think that Locke’s awakening in altverse will affect Flocke on the island… since Flocke is not really Locke. Although, there have been some curious moments where it looked that Flocke was embodying Locke’s human qualities… so just maybe….

But I doubt it. I think that the purpose of Locke waking up in the altverse is to awaken Jack, and possibly Jin and Sun, who are also presumably in the hospital. Also, as I’m guessing Locke is already in the process of waking up (it seems those who died on the island are fast to pick it up), maybe he’ll be recruited to help Desmond in his efforts. That is, if he’s conscious for the rest of the series…[/quote]

I still like the idea that there is a kernel of Locke in Flocke. Simply because Locke’s dead body is on the island doesn’t mean that Flocke doesn’t have some Locke in him. “Don’t tell me what I can’t do,” Flocke yells to the boy in the jungle.

So is the hospital going to be where they are all going to somehow be reunited? Will they all need to be in the same place in order for whatever Desmond needs to do to work? Interesting that so many of them are there or on there way there.
Will Kate or Sawyer get shot and need to go there as well?
I am thinking that somehow Kate will end up at the hospital again and have a connection with Jack and either Sawyer will accompany her there and go get a cup of coffee and run into Juliette at the hospital and have their moment…I do think it is going to be Kate and Jack as soul mates and Sawyer and Juliette…just throwing some things out there!

Anyone want to bet against me that alt-Locke walks in a scene reminecient of when we saw him take his first steps after 815 crashed? And I really like the theories postulated on the alt-characters having a sense of what to do ‘on island’ after they’ve been “awakened”. I think Locke will be awakened after his near-death and will be un-paralzed. I’m sure Jack will play a hand in it(a bunch of Losties gathering at jack’s hospital CANNOT be a coincidence.) but I think that part of Locke being “cured” will be do to the bleedover from the island timeline in the kind of the same vein as alt-sun’s lack of english bleeding over to island-sun. I also think that these “bleedovers” are only going to increase. I also think I don’t know what I’m talking about.

I have always enjoyed this show. It is the best show on TV ever. I am just a little disappointed this year. Not really with the show as there have been great episodes but it seems a little off. For 5 years we have been faithfully watching and interpreting everything the show has to offer but now we are suppossed to take everything that is said as the truth. I am having a difficult time adjusting my thoughts to take in everything that is said literally. For example the whole runway comments from when Kate and sawyer were working for the others. At that time no one really thought they were working on an actual runway but over the next couple of years that played out to be true. Now we are suppossed to take everything that is said and JUST believe that they all now know what the hell is going on. We have spent five years not being able to fully trust what was being said and now we have to buy into the fact that each person knows what they are talking about. Enough rambling from me but I needed to say this some place where someone might understand. Does anyone else have these same sort of feelings? I think it may be why the comments on this blog are way down from what we all probably expected it being the final season and all. Thanks.

I think someone hinted at this earlier…But Jack and FLocke looking at each other was classic. They also have always seemed to have interesting clashes.
Jack obviously knows that Locke is dead and so his look to Flocke is eerie. It is like “game on!”

[quote comment=”373369″]I was thinking that maybe flock throw Desmond in the hole for a reason, he was not trying to kill him, he was actually putting him where he belongs to do his job in the island.

This is my first post and I apologize, English is my second language.[/quote]
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I am not sure if Flocke was trying to kill Desmond or just get him out of the way. He is not afraid of Flocke (as we saw by taking his hand) and this bothered him. Flocke knows Des is important since Widmore brought him back so heavily guarded.
Flocke does not need him to get off the island he just needs him out of his way. Maybe Des is the person “he can’t kill” and maybe that is why the coils did not kill him but somehow make him stronger?
Des is special but we still don’t really know why…and it appears the Widmore’s do know why!

[quote comment=”373368″]I have always enjoyed this show. It is the best show on TV ever. I am just a little disappointed this year. Not really with the show as there have been great episodes but it seems a little off. For 5 years we have been faithfully watching and interpreting everything the show has to offer but now we are suppossed to take everything that is said as the truth. I am having a difficult time adjusting my thoughts to take in everything that is said literally. For example the whole runway comments from when Kate and sawyer were working for the others. At that time no one really thought they were working on an actual runway but over the next couple of years that played out to be true. Now we are suppossed to take everything that is said and JUST believe that they all now know what the hell is going on. We have spent five years not being able to fully trust what was being said and now we have to buy into the fact that each person knows what they are talking about. Enough rambling from me but I needed to say this some place where someone might understand. Does anyone else have these same sort of feelings? I think it may be why the comments on this blog are way down from what we all probably expected it being the final season and all. Thanks.[/quote]

On the contrary, I’d say that more and more we see that every character on the show is just as clueless in one form or another as any other… even Desmond, and even MIB… probably even Jacob. Last nights ep showed me that basically you never know who knows, it’s all about what you believe… The most important line of the night was Miles’

ugh this is so frustrating I feel like one second I kind of get the FSW but then when I start really thinking about it i get all confused again. So the Desmond that they just brought back to the Island was in the hospital. He has Penny and a Son. So the world that is his flashforward is what will happen if he doesnt stop the MIB? So now he knows that if he doesnt stop him that he wont have penny??? I JUST DONT GET THIS.

[quote comment=”373372″][quote comment=”373369″]I was thinking that maybe flock throw Desmond in the hole for a reason, he was not trying to kill him, he was actually putting him where he belongs to do his job in the island.

This is my first post and I apologize, English is my second language.[/quote]
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I am not sure if Flocke was trying to kill Desmond or just get him out of the way. He is not afraid of Flocke (as we saw by taking his hand) and this bothered him. Flocke knows Des is important since Widmore brought him back so heavily guarded.
Flocke does not need him to get off the island he just needs him out of his way. Maybe Des is the person “he can’t kill” and maybe that is why the coils did not kill him but somehow make him stronger?
Des is special but we still don’t really know why…and it appears the Widmore’s do know why![/quote]
To reinforce the notion that Des is the person “he can’t kill”, the jungle boy shows up and smiles.

[quote comment=”373368″]I have always enjoyed this show. It is the best show on TV ever. I am just a little disappointed this year. Not really with the show as there have been great episodes but it seems a little off. For 5 years we have been faithfully watching and interpreting everything the show has to offer but now we are suppossed to take everything that is said as the truth. I am having a difficult time adjusting my thoughts to take in everything that is said literally. For example the whole runway comments from when Kate and sawyer were working for the others. At that time no one really thought they were working on an actual runway but over the next couple of years that played out to be true. Now we are suppossed to take everything that is said and JUST believe that they all now know what the hell is going on. We have spent five years not being able to fully trust what was being said and now we have to buy into the fact that each person knows what they are talking about. Enough rambling from me but I needed to say this some place where someone might understand. Does anyone else have these same sort of feelings? I think it may be why the comments on this blog are way down from what we all probably expected it being the final season and all. Thanks.[/quote]
Yea, I know what you mean. It has always been mystery on top of mystery. What does it mean? But now we are getting answers. Getting to this point was the thrill. Now it’s closure time; not as mysterious since we getting answers, but still necessary. So it’s not so much disappointment but a kind of empty feeling that the end is coming. For the longest time, I wanted answers, but I keep thinking of “be careful what you wish for, you just might get it”.

[quote comment=”373380″]I do not recall Hugo seeing his reflection. Can anyone remember if he did or not? So far they all have in the FSW time.
Does that mean something if he didn’t?[/quote]
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I don’t think he did and i thought the same thing. What does that mean?

[quote comment=”373343″][quote comment=”373339″]im wondering if Des is immune to Flocks “powers” of the touch? i noticed when Des was released from being tied up that Flock helped him up from the ground. Or does it mean that Flocks touch isnt the way he gets his followers, but by making false hopes for people.[/quote]

I thought that Des grabs Locke’s hand because he does not fear Locke. Those who do not touch Locke’s hand fear him.

Locke seems happy when Jack’s face turns from joy and relief to fear. It seems as if Smokey thinks fear is the most powerful of emotions.[/quote]
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My theory has always been that in smoke form MIB can scan you, in Flocke form he scans by touch. Desmond said to MIB at the well something to the effect of “if i didnt know any better i’d think you were reading my mind” I think this is because Des took MIB’s hand while getting up.

[quote comment=”373374″]ugh this is so frustrating I feel like one second I kind of get the FSW but then when I start really thinking about it i get all confused again. So the Desmond that they just brought back to the Island was in the hospital. He has Penny and a Son. So the world that is his flashforward is what will happen if he doesnt stop the MIB? So now he knows that if he doesnt stop him that he wont have penny??? I JUST DONT GET THIS.[/quote]

None of us knows for certain how the Sideways world relates to the Island world, though ever since Happily Ever After, there are lots of theories.

What we (think we) know for sure is that (in the Island-based timeline) Ben shoots Des; Des winds up in the hospital where Eloise and Widmore meet up; and “three days later” Des is being forcibly taken back to the island in the sub. It is up to interpretation whether, after his electromagnetic shock treatment, Des is now free floating in between the Island and Sideways worlds.

[quote comment=”373385″]Did anybody catch Des telling Ben in FSW his sons name was “Charlie?” Is this another sign of island/FSW meshing?[/quote]
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It could be that he is now fully aware of his other life with Penny and son Charlie. I think he does know and that is why we see both his island and off island self working towards a common goal.
It could also just be that Charlie Pace came to mind and he used that name since he was with him earlier…

Did anyone else see the old Ben in yesterdays episode? When he was talking about how Ilana blew up because “the island was doen with her, I wonder what will happen when it’s done with us”. I totaly saw th eold manipulating Ben in that one.

We know after the hatch exploded that Des could see things that were going to happen.
This could be another one of those things that makes him special. We know many of our characters are special…Walt, Miles, Hurley, and Desmond.
After coming to and having visions of his current past (alt universe) knowing his present and having his alt persona have visions of his past it appears that Desmond DOES know what he is suppose to do. I think he does have some clarity as to how he needs to join the two.
He is at peace with what he needs to do and he is not afraid. That is also why he was not afraid of Flocke…and even though I don’t think Des knew that John died off island i do think he really knows that Flocke is not Locke!

[quote comment=”373387″][quote comment=”373385″]Did anybody catch Des telling Ben in FSW his sons name was “Charlie?” Is this another sign of island/FSW meshing?[/quote]
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It could be that he is now fully aware of his other life with Penny and son Charlie. I think he does know and that is why we see both his island and off island self working towards a common goal.
It could also just be that Charlie Pace came to mind and he used that name since he was with him earlier…[/quote]
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Do you really think he knows EVERYTHING in FSW and island time? I mean he does act like he has an ace up his sleeve (calmness on the island and sense of purpose FSW).

I do agree Des knew Flocke wasn’t really Locke. I LOVED that scene at the end when fLocke asks Des why he isn’t afraid. Terrific acting by those two. It’s great to see fLocke’s uncertainty as to Des. Recalling last season’s season finale how all-knowing and powerful fLocke looked and know it seems he no longer has the upper hand. Who does though we still need to find out.

One more thing. Its interesting how fLocke (before playing toss the Des) tossed some dirt on Widmore (that he is only here for power). I think this confirms/pushes the thought its not just Jacob v MIB, but also a third-party Widmore’s own personal interests…

[quote comment=”373390″][quote comment=”373387″][quote comment=”373385″]Did anybody catch Des telling Ben in FSW his sons name was “Charlie?” Is this another sign of island/FSW meshing?[/quote]
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It could be that he is now fully aware of his other life with Penny and son Charlie. I think he does know and that is why we see both his island and off island self working towards a common goal.
It could also just be that Charlie Pace came to mind and he used that name since he was with him earlier…[/quote]
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Do you really think he knows EVERYTHING in FSW and island time? I mean he does act like he has an ace up his sleeve (calmness on the island and sense of purpose FSW).

I do agree Des knew Flocke wasn’t really Locke. I LOVED that scene at the end when fLocke asks Des why he isn’t afraid. Terrific acting by those two. It’s great to see fLocke’s uncertainty as to Des. Recalling last season’s season finale how all-knowing and powerful fLocke looked and know it seems he no longer has the upper hand. Who does though we still need to find out.

One more thing. Its interesting how fLocke (before playing toss the Des) tossed some dirt on Widmore (that he is only here for power). I think this confirms/pushes the thought its not just Jacob v MIB, but also a third-party Widmore’s own personal interests…[/quote]
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I don’t think he know everything…i just think he has some sort of clarity about what is happening.
I do think flocke was trying to get him to think twice about Widmore, but that didn’t really work so to the bottom of the well Des went…

[quote comment=”373392″]Any thoughts on what will happen when Sayid wakes up? Des will have to go after him sooner or later for this all to work.[/quote]
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I am hoping that his LOVE for Nadia will heal his infection. Same with Claire. Hoping Aaron (or I guess Charlie) will heal her as well.

[quote comment=”373393″][quote comment=”373390″][quote comment=”373387″][quote comment=”373385″]Did anybody catch Des telling Ben in FSW his sons name was “Charlie?” Is this another sign of island/FSW meshing?[/quote]
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It could be that he is now fully aware of his other life with Penny and son Charlie. I think he does know and that is why we see both his island and off island self working towards a common goal.
It could also just be that Charlie Pace came to mind and he used that name since he was with him earlier…[/quote]
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Do you really think he knows EVERYTHING in FSW and island time? I mean he does act like he has an ace up his sleeve (calmness on the island and sense of purpose FSW).

I do agree Des knew Flocke wasn’t really Locke. I LOVED that scene at the end when fLocke asks Des why he isn’t afraid. Terrific acting by those two. It’s great to see fLocke’s uncertainty as to Des. Recalling last season’s season finale how all-knowing and powerful fLocke looked and know it seems he no longer has the upper hand. Who does though we still need to find out.

One more thing. Its interesting how fLocke (before playing toss the Des) tossed some dirt on Widmore (that he is only here for power). I think this confirms/pushes the thought its not just Jacob v MIB, but also a third-party Widmore’s own personal interests…[/quote]
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I don’t think he know everything…i just think he has some sort of clarity about what is happening.
I do think flocke was trying to get him to think twice about Widmore, but that didn’t really work so to the bottom of the well Des went…[/quote]
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Walt was a whisperer on different occasion but he is not dead nor on the island.

Whispers were heard on the freighter by Micheal right before Libby (dead)appeared saying “dont do it” Is she on the island?

Kate hears them off island on the telephone

Ben tell Rousseau when taking Alex “if you want your child to live, every time you hear whispers, you run the other way.”

I’m still confused what they all mean. Whispers have been connected to the Others, heard before Smokey’s arrival, before a manfestation appears to a character. Some have empathy, some agression, some love protection

Walt was a whisperer on different occasion but he is not dead nor on the island.

Whispers were heard on the freighter by Micheal right before Libby (dead)appeared saying “dont do it” Is she on the island?

Kate hears them off island on the telephone

Ben tell Rousseau when taking Alex “if you want your child to live, every time you hear whispers, you run the other way.”

I’m still confused what they all mean. Whispers have been connected to the Others, heard before Smokey’s arrival, before a manfestation appears to a character. Some have empathy, some agression, some love protection[/quote]
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The thing about the Whispers (actually pretty much anything ‘supernatural’ in LOST) is that the MIB/fLocke can imitate/perverse it to use it for his own end. So who is to say that certain “whispers” were not just the MIB’s way of achieving the loophole (killing el Jacob)?

[quote comment=”373384″]I know its been said over and over but i have to say that last night i was too was yelling HAMMER HAMMER when the whispers were explained. Everyone in the house was asking who’s HAMMER :)[/quote]
That’s too funny… I’m flattered by everyone’s comment.

When Hugo said “I think I know what these are.” I slid to the edge of my seat…hands clutched….saying out loud….”please, please, please”….then jumped up and chest bumped the air like an idiot.

Jaime…I think they left the bulk of explanation of the whisperers for us to interprete on our own. Though, I don’t think Walt’s whispers were the same. His were part of apparition. And it also seems that the whisperers were not required to die on the island.

[quote comment=”373399″]Jaime…I think they left the bulk of explanation of the whisperers for us to interprete on our own. Though, I don’t think Walt’s whispers were the same. His were part of apparition. And it also seems that the whisperers were not required to die on the island.[/quote]
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well not really Hammer. They made it pretty clear that the whispers came from those who had not crossed over (or where stuck on the island). In essence your theory (right?). I don’t see room for interpretation as to what the whispers are…

[quote comment=”373399″]Jaime…I think they left the bulk of explanation of the whisperers for us to interprete on our own. Though, I don’t think Walt’s whispers were the same. His were part of apparition. And it also seems that the whisperers were not required to die on the island.[/quote]
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I bet you are right with the interpretation aspect of it. Micheal said that they are “the ones that cant move on” On island, off island, good, bad. Now we have to wait to see what it will take for them to “move on”

So if the whispers are stuck and Michael said not to blow up the plane…the whispers will be free when the cork comes out of the bottle. They may not be on MIB’s side…but they may have a mutual goal. To get off the island.[/quote]

I believe that the whisperers are trapped here until someone takes over for Jacob, making a sacrifice to do so. Then it is truly game over for them and they can check out of Island. They are not on MIB’s side, Michael just didnt want anymore people being killed unneccessarily(sorry for the spelling and stutering)

[quote comment=”373304″][quote comment=”373293″]Desmond is not dead and I think his role does have something to do with an immunity to Locke. There has to be some reason he just ran him down in the Sideways world. It has to translate to the Island world.[/quote]
He ran him over to “wake him up”.[/quote]

Des knows that fLocke is the bad guy so he eliminated sideways Locke as a way of eliminating an escape route for fLocke. He may not have all things straight in his head how things work exactly, but he gave this a go.

[quote comment=”373398″][quote comment=”373384″]I know its been said over and over but i have to say that last night i was too was yelling HAMMER HAMMER when the whispers were explained. Everyone in the house was asking who’s HAMMER :)[/quote]
That’s too funny… I’m flattered by everyone’s comment.

When Hugo said “I think I know what these are.” I slid to the edge of my seat…hands clutched….saying out loud….”please, please, please”….then jumped up and chest bumped the air like an idiot.[/quote]
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Too funny! I have also had a few of those moments when it was like “see I told ya!” I watch with my husband and daughter and so we all get that way a tad bit when we have been right about something!

And I cannot believe the comments re Ilana;
I think she’s Super, not just because she’s so lovely looking…
but that her character, for me, REALLY acts the way I think someone might on the Island given the situation..she also had a heart with Ben too, so she’s also compassionate. I’m in love.

Who the hell tied Dez up to that tree???
The Girl Scouts? Some Brownies after eating hash brownies?
What the hell? Don Knotts cudda wiggles out of those ropes…and those knots were tied by Sayid?
Isn’t there someone on the set goin”….uh guys….
yeah, I know I always complain about trivia.

Also, Alpert appeared to handle the rifle in one scene in a sloppy way with the biz end pointed right at Ben as he sat…cudda been the camera angle, but I’m just sayin. Alpert always seems so together for the most part.

Well, this episode had two of my least fav people;
Hurley and Michael.

So Hurley has exported his Junk Food to Paris and Cairo…what a great man…ooops, except he never grew up to be a man.
Just what Paris need; more crap American food.
And there’s really not enough reasons for Muslims to hate Americans…let’;s give them an ugly Fast Food joint next to one of the Wonders of the world!
Hurley’s Mommy is making dates for him?

And Libby on the beach…either Hurley is 100 percent Gay or he’s got zero Libby Libido.
Libby’s hair is about as ready for a Make Over as Hurley’s whole hair and whiskers…but it was hard to see anything besides her more obvious endowments.
Clearly Hurley was blinded by the sun and didn’t even notice…The part of Hurley is so annoying to me.
Who goes to the beach sans sunglasses? oh yeah, actors.

I guess I feel cheated; I’m jones-ing for some Jin and Sun. More Korean BBQ and less Cluck’s crapola.

Did Dez want to go down the well;
he’s never showed himself to be that thick headed.
Shudda had fLocke throw a Penny down the well and say; “make a wish”….then Dez looks down and ….pushed by fLocke…screams out PENN-AYYY on the way down.
Show could use more of a sense of humor.

[quote comment=”227745″]
Here’s my newest thought. Alpert is a whisperer as are most if not all of the group at the temple. Explains why he doesn’t age and Ben’s comment to Alpert about remembering birthdays?
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[quote comment=”219250″]
I still believe my theory of who they are and why. It seems to me that the dead folks are in full “show themselves mode”. Especially to the “special” folks.
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[quote comment=”217672″]
I wanted to say that your first thought is interesting. Seems plausible that not all the Whisperers are from dead folks if dead folks are in another dimension.
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[quote comment=”217672″]
I don’t think the voices are just bouncing in time though, they seem to apply to the events happening at the time they are muttered.
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[quote comment=”371340″]
Jacob is a now a whisperer. According to my theory, the whisperers can expose themselves but as of yet have chose to not. Jacob is exposing himself to Hugo because Hugo is now comfortable with seeing the dead.
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[quote comment=”373407″]
re Ilana;
I think she’s Super, not just because she’s so lovely looking…
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Careful what you think. The island is a magic box. If you think it: it might happen! Why just before she blew-up, Richard was thinking… “I’d like a piece of that.” Seconds later, his thought came true. He was covered in ribs & thighs & extra sauce.

[quote comment=”373374″]ugh this is so frustrating I feel like one second I kind of get the FSW but then when I start really thinking about it i get all confused again. So the Desmond that they just brought back to the Island was in the hospital.(Yes, he was in the hospital due to Ben shooting him dockside w/ Penny and lil Charlie watching) He has Penny and a Son. So the world that is his flashforward(You mean, flash sideway) is what will happen if he doesnt stop the MIB?(NO, the flash sideays is currently happening at the same time the Island lives are happening. The flash sideways exists due to the detonation of the bomb on the island in 1977, making an impact and creating the FSW world) So now he knows that if he doesnt stop him that he wont have penny???(yes, since Des has awakened in both timelines (island and FSW)) I JUST DONT GET THIS.[/quote]

[quote comment=”373409″][quote comment=”227745″]
Here’s my newest thought. Alpert is a whisperer as are most if not all of the group at the temple. Explains why he doesn’t age and Ben’s comment to Alpert about remembering birthdays?
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[quote comment=”219250″]
I still believe my theory of who they are and why. It seems to me that the dead folks are in full “show themselves mode”. Especially to the “special” folks.
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[quote comment=”217672″]
I wanted to say that your first thought is interesting. Seems plausible that not all the Whisperers are from dead folks if dead folks are in another dimension.
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[quote comment=”217672″]
I don’t think the voices are just bouncing in time though, they seem to apply to the events happening at the time they are muttered.
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[quote comment=”371340″]
Jacob is a now a whisperer. According to my theory, the whisperers can expose themselves but as of yet have chose to not. Jacob is exposing himself to Hugo because Hugo is now comfortable with seeing the dead.
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FTR, what is your point, that Hammer had alot of theories over the years on the whisperers and he was bound to hit on one of them?? LOL

[quote comment=”373412″][quote comment=”373409″][quote comment=”227745″]
Here’s my newest thought. Alpert is a whisperer as are most if not all of the group at the temple. Explains why he doesn’t age and Ben’s comment to Alpert about remembering birthdays?
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[quote comment=”219250″]
I still believe my theory of who they are and why. It seems to me that the dead folks are in full “show themselves mode”. Especially to the “special” folks.
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[quote comment=”217672″]
I wanted to say that your first thought is interesting. Seems plausible that not all the Whisperers are from dead folks if dead folks are in another dimension.
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[quote comment=”217672″]
I don’t think the voices are just bouncing in time though, they seem to apply to the events happening at the time they are muttered.
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[quote comment=”371340″]
Jacob is a now a whisperer. According to my theory, the whisperers can expose themselves but as of yet have chose to not. Jacob is exposing himself to Hugo because Hugo is now comfortable with seeing the dead.
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FTR, what is your point, that Hammer had alot of theories over the years on the whisperers and he was bound to hit on one of them?? LOL[/quote]
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at least he is putting himself out there and theorizing! Keep it up…love the thoughts!

ok am getting sleepy so I haven’t read everyone’s comments but–seriously what is up with Des’s suit? That is the most indestructible article of clothing I have ever seen! First he gets drowned in it, with out there being the slightest hint of damage, then he continues to wear it out to meet Hurley. He didn’t even bother to change out of it when he went to meet Penny. I think the suit might really be his constant

[quote comment=”373416″]ok am getting sleepy so I haven’t read everyone’s comments but–seriously what is up with Des’s suit? That is the most indestructible article of clothing I have ever seen! First he gets drowned in it, with out there being the slightest hint of damage, then he continues to wear it out to meet Hurley. He didn’t even bother to change out of it when he went to meet Penny. I think the suit might really be his constant[/quote]
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you forgot the CSI miami sunglasses. I was waiting for the WHO to start playing after he left Hurley an Libby on da beach…

[quote comment=”373326″][quote comment=”373320″]Who is the new kid in the woods? He seemed to really annoy Flocke.[/quote]

Even though the kid was taller, and had straight dark hair (versus curly blond hair), the “mysterious boy” was played by the same actor in this episode as in “The Substitute.”

: ) P[/quote]

Thanks PJSander. I thought he looked somewhat familiar. Since he’s the same actor it makes me wonder about the theory of Jacob and MIB being two sides of the same coin. It stuck me that Sawyer saw the blonde boy to the amazement of Flocke and Desmond saw the dark haired boy. Flocke seemed surprised and a bit fearful at the sight of the first boy and annoyed and angry at the appearance of the second one.

It could also be Aaron. Claire was told that SHE had to raise the baby, a vision of Claire appeared to Kate and said “Don’t you dare bring him back”, Claire abandoned Aaron and was with “Christian” in the cabin and then there’s the crazy mother story Flocke told Kate. Someone or something seems determined to keep mother and son separated.

Although MIB is trapped on the island, I think he has the ability to appear as other people even off the island.

When Claire referred to her father and her friend, was she talking about the same person? He’s my father and also my friend?

[quote comment=”373385″]Did anybody catch Des telling Ben in FSW his sons name was “Charlie?” Is this another sign of island/FSW meshing?[/quote]
NO. I think he just “made-up” the name to not get scolded for checking out kids.

Careful what you think. The island is a magic box. If you think it: it might happen! Why just before she blew-up, Richard was thinking… “I’d like a piece of that.” Seconds later, his thought came true. He was covered in ribs & thighs & extra sauce.[/quote]

OH MY GOD! I havn’t laughed that hard in YEARS! Wow, sitting at my desk and almost started crying when I read that.

Okay, so I’m a new blogger but have been reading y’all’s posts for a few weeks now.

This has been bothering me and I’m hoping someone can help me out. Charlie, Farraday and Libby have all been able to tap into their “Island” selves because they are dead, right? Why then, has Locke not been able to do so? Shouldn’t he have that ability as well? I mean he’s dead right? Or is he????

Something tells me that the fact that MIB has taken over his body is, in some way, keeping Locke “alive” on the island and that when MIB is finally conquered, Locke will be “resurrected” Jesu Cristo Style! This might also explain why Desmond refers to Flocke as “John Locke”.

Maybe Desmond knows, as some have already suggested, that a small kernal of locke still exists in that body and it is not entirely inhabited by MIB. In essence Flocke will be destroyed from the inside out by the good within him (Darth Vader anyone?)

Also, Why didn’t Ben’s interactions with Alex in the Flash Sideways trigger his connection to the Island? Isn’t Alex Ben’s “true love” on the island and therefore his “constant”? Maybe they should have kissed afterall huh? 😉

Finally, The Ilana explosion was CLASSIC! Watched it 5 times on DVR…only thing better was Hurley’s face immediately afterwards! LOL!

On the brighter note. It seems as though MIB made it off the island and Desmond was attempting to kill Locke for that very reason. He may still be Locke? I also have the feeling that Desmond now knows everything about the characters and was filled in by the old lady with white hair.

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Here’s my newest thought. Alpert is a whisperer as are most if not all of the group at the temple. Explains why he doesn’t age and Ben’s comment to Alpert about remembering birthdays?
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I still believe my theory of who they are and why. It seems to me that the dead folks are in full “show themselves mode”. Especially to the “special” folks.
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I wanted to say that your first thought is interesting. Seems plausible that not all the Whisperers are from dead folks if dead folks are in another dimension.
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I don’t think the voices are just bouncing in time though, they seem to apply to the events happening at the time they are muttered.
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Jacob is a now a whisperer. According to my theory, the whisperers can expose themselves but as of yet have chose to not. Jacob is exposing himself to Hugo because Hugo is now comfortable with seeing the dead.
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FTR, what is your point, that Hammer had alot of theories over the years on the whisperers and he was bound to hit on one of them?? LOL[/quote]
I have often said that I was fluid with the theory….I guess you missed that in your diligent research…the BASIS is consistent.

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Libby appeared woefully old. Good for her age but, damn. Too bad the island’s time machine function did not take away her crow’s feet.
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You should have been looking about 15 inches lower. She had the perky youthfulness of a 25 year old. Trim, fit and athletic as well. She starts a guest run on HOUSE next week.

[quote comment=”373371″]I think someone hinted at this earlier…But Jack and FLocke looking at each other was classic. They also have always seemed to have interesting clashes.
Jack obviously knows that Locke is dead and so his look to Flocke is eerie. It is like “game on!”[/quote]

I thought Flock had a look of hatred in his eyes when he saw Jack. On the other hand Jack’s face reflected how he was feeling seeing Locke alive for the first time.

I noticed the same chilling evil expression on his face before he pushed Desmond into the well. He really hated the fact that Des wasn’t afraid of him.

It was interesting to see FLocke with that staff like the one Moses had.

FLocke pushed Desmond down the well for a specific reason. He took him to it for a reason and I think it has something to do with what he said about the well and how compasses go crazy. I dont think he pushed him to kill him because he couldve just turned into the smoke monster and killed him…then again maybe he cant.

And that boy has been bugging me since the first time I saw him….Who is he and is it me or does FLocke seem to be afraid of him?

[quote comment=”373400″][quote comment=”373399″]Jaime…I think they left the bulk of explanation of the whisperers for us to interprete on our own. Though, I don’t think Walt’s whispers were the same. His were part of apparition. And it also seems that the whisperers were not required to die on the island.[/quote]
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well not really Hammer. They made it pretty clear that the whispers came from those who had not crossed over (or where stuck on the island). In essence your theory (right?). I don’t see room for interpretation as to what the whispers are…[/quote]
Yes it is…you are correct. I guess I still want to stay fluid because I want see why some seem to be on opposite sides.

This has been bothering me and I’m hoping someone can help me out. Charlie, Farraday and Libby have all been able to tap into their “Island” selves because they are dead, right? Why then, has Locke not been able to do so? Shouldn’t he have that ability as well? I mean he’s dead right? Or is he????

I noticed that fact too. Daniel, Charlie and Libby died on the island yet have very vivid memories of that life. I guess we’ll have to see how things turn out with Locke. Every now and then you see a glimpse of the real John Locke. Let’s hope the island heals John again.

The ride is getting stranger, and in true LOST fashion, the more I think I have a handle on things the more whacky they seem to get!!!

So, shout out to HAMMER! I did not scream your name in front of my family when the whispers came up, but I was thinking ‘OMG, HAMMER!’.

I thought it was mean to blow Ilana up! I thought she was great–while she lasted. But, she must have taken a stupid pill in the morning the way she was handling the dynamite–too bad Doc Arzt didn’t whisper to her!!

SO Ilana goes kablooey and the Tina Fey lal is still around? Oh, that won’t last, my friends.

Flocke & Des? OK, last week, I thought Des Had It All Figured Out, but this week, I thought the electromagnetism maybe had shocked him to some Happy Place and his Judgment was the casualty. Tossed down the rabbit hole!!! Flocke as the White Rabbit??? Oh, tis love, tis love, that makes the world go round!

I was shocked he ran over FS Locke. But how can you say what his goal was? Revenge for the push? Or an attempt to bring it all together? The juxtaposition of scenes was just so tight–is it a LOST fake-out, or has Des gone homicidal?

Love Desmond.

Didn’t you think that D&C had just run out of plot for Ilana? I mean, they only have so much time left, and so many stories to tell–so, sorry, kid. You’re out.

I think when Locke “wakes up” in the sideways universe he will remember the island and that he WALKED there. The vast majority of his memories on the island will be of him being healed. I’m sure he’ll want to go back for that reason alone seeing in that he hates his wheelchair.

Theory – fLocke pushes Desmond into the well because he “cannot” kill him (rules? physics?) – BUT a deep well is certainly a good place to keep somebody out of your way for a while, if you’re out trying to get stuff done.

I am okay with Ilana being blown up…it was kind of surreal for a second. I just hope the kind of explain her relationship with Jacob. They made a point to tell us he was like a father and that she trained her whole life for this mission…then BOOM…gone.

Sorry all of you Desmond, Hurley, Sawyer-New-Jacob Theorists – they’re just supporting roles. All of these characters have specific tasks and skills that will be utilized for the end goal, which is to kill MIB and get off the island.

But, only one will kill MIB, and that will be Richard. His wife told him so.

Jack is the protagonist in the series, always has been and always will be. He will take over as Jacob, or fill whatever shoes Jacob has left empty.

Furthermore, I think this transition will be much more figurative than literal… he will not be the “New Jacob” – My guess is that by the end of this show, the “ends once” will be that Jacob’s role is no longer needed. However, Jack will still somehow take over Jacob’s powers to fulfill Jacob’s purpose.

Hurley’s important because he can speak to the dead. He serves as an advisor because he gets intel that others can’t.

Sawyer is the physical force, the strategist – his role isn’t as clearly defined, but he’s a sort of advisor as well, and his instincts will be useful when it will come to keeping Flocke in line.

Desmond is the messenger between the two worlds – he wakes the FlashSideways folks up so that they can realize their purpose on the island. He too is VERY important – but not the “New Jacob”.

[quote comment=”373338″]It’s curious though that Desmond would hit Locke with the car. As Locke is dead on the island, I don’t imagine that Flocke will benefit from a newly awakened AlternateLocke… It must be that he wants to wake Jack up instead. And I guess that means that Kate isn’t Jack’s soul mate… Kate must be Sawyer’s.

Poor Juliet. And poor Jack. Ahh look at all the lonely people.[/quote]

First time/long time. How about altLocke waking up DEAD Locke on the island? We’ve already learned that the island is special, and was told how important it was that Locke’s body get BACK to the island. Why bring a dead body back, unless it had unfinished business of its own?

Ok, so, I don’t know what you are all talking about the new kid in the woods has dark hair? I didn’t see it, it still looks blonde to me…so I am dismissing any thoughts of one being Jacob and the other being MIB, I dont see it (even if I kinda wanted to) The kid is older though, definately… and not like make-up older, it’s as if they actually filmed that first scene with him a couple years ago???

I bet the kid in the woods is going to help explain what was up with the Walt apparitions… Remember how Locke saw Walt “bigger” theres some connection there…
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I’m with you, though here’s the three main tasks to tackle and who’s key to each:

1) Destroy MIB: Richard with help from a truely resurrected Locke. FS Desmond is doing what he’s doing for a purpose.

2) Snap the bastard FS timeline back to reality: Desmond with more help from Fariday. No idea how he’ll do it – time travel in the really timeline? Masterminding events in the FS timeline? And what will happen to all the FS ‘souls’ that die? Will they somehow come back and be resurrected as the Christ like Locke will first do?

3) Get off and neutralize the island: Here’s where Jack and even Frank are key. Jack in his new found Jacobness will put the island to final rest, saving it and humanity from each other.

This has been bothering me and I’m hoping someone can help me out. Charlie, Farraday and Libby have all been able to tap into their “Island” selves because they are dead, right? Why then, has Locke not been able to do so? Shouldn’t he have that ability as well? I mean he’s dead right? Or is he????

I noticed that fact too. Daniel, Charlie and Libby died on the island yet have very vivid memories of that life. I guess we’ll have to see how things turn out with Locke. Every now and then you see a glimpse of the real John Locke. Let’s hope the island heals John again.

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All of those people died on the island. Locke died in a hotel room at the hands of Ben in LA.

I know this has been talked about before but I thought it was interesting that Richard asked Hurley if he knew WHAT this island is? Did Jacob tell you that? and he went on to say he told him not that long ago WHAT the island was….so what is the island?

Sorry all of you Desmond, Hurley, Sawyer-New-Jacob Theorists – they’re just supporting roles. All of these characters have specific tasks and skills that will be utilized for the end goal, which is to kill MIB and get off the island.

But, only one will kill MIB, and that will be Richard. His wife told him so.

Jack is the protagonist in the series, always has been and always will be. He will take over as Jacob, or fill whatever shoes Jacob has left empty.

Furthermore, I think this transition will be much more figurative than literal… he will not be the “New Jacob” – My guess is that by the end of this show, the “ends once” will be that Jacob’s role is no longer needed. However, Jack will still somehow take over Jacob’s powers to fulfill Jacob’s purpose.

Hurley’s important because he can speak to the dead. He serves as an advisor because he gets intel that others can’t.

Sawyer is the physical force, the strategist – his role isn’t as clearly defined, but he’s a sort of advisor as well, and his instincts will be useful when it will come to keeping Flocke in line.

Desmond is the messenger between the two worlds – he wakes the FlashSideways folks up so that they can realize their purpose on the island. He too is VERY important – but not the “New Jacob”.[/quote]
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I like it all! I think Jack is now on board with whatever his purpose is and he does BELIEVE. I do think Flocke will be eliminated as well and maybe then the island will no longer be needed.
Question though…for those that may want to remain on the island, ie. Widmore, do you think he will stay? And what about Richard. Once he has fulfilled his role (possibly kill Flocke) do you think he will be able to die and be united with his wife?
Really amazing how many storylines there truly are here!

[quote comment=”373445″]I know this has been talked about before but I thought it was interesting that Richard asked Hurley if he knew WHAT this island is? Did Jacob tell you that? and he went on to say he told him not that long ago WHAT the island was….so what is the island?[/quote]

Richard is referring the analogy Jacob used of the wine bottle and the cork…The island is the cork.

This has been bothering me and I’m hoping someone can help me out. Charlie, Farraday and Libby have all been able to tap into their “Island” selves because they are dead, right? Why then, has Locke not been able to do so? Shouldn’t he have that ability as well? I mean he’s dead right? Or is he????

I noticed that fact too. Daniel, Charlie and Libby died on the island yet have very vivid memories of that life. I guess we’ll have to see how things turn out with Locke. Every now and then you see a glimpse of the real John Locke. Let’s hope the island heals John again.

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All of those people died on the island. Locke died in a hotel room at the hands of Ben in LA.[/quote]
Here’s a thought (not totally thought out yet). What if the FSW Locke is actually MIB escaped from the island and stuck(like Ilana said) in Locke’s broken body? What if Des ran over MIB trying to kill him in FSW? What if the incident lead to MIB’s loophole and now Des is course correcting and meshing the timelines to fix it?

[quote comment=”373447″][quote comment=”373445″]I know this has been talked about before but I thought it was interesting that Richard asked Hurley if he knew WHAT this island is? Did Jacob tell you that? and he went on to say he told him not that long ago WHAT the island was….so what is the island?[/quote]

Richard is referring the analogy Jacob used of the wine bottle and the cork…The island is the cork.[/quote]
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that analogy was given to him yrs. and yrs. ago…and I am not saying it is not what Richard was referring to, but I think we might find the island is more than that…otherwise why and how does it have healing capabilities and why do they talk about it the way they do. The ISLAND is or is not done with you yet. The island brought you here…
It seems as if Richard was given more info pretty recently as Jacob realized he would need to know just in case. And he prepared Llana just in case…

This has been bothering me and I’m hoping someone can help me out. Charlie, Farraday and Libby have all been able to tap into their “Island” selves because they are dead, right? Why then, has Locke not been able to do so? Shouldn’t he have that ability as well? I mean he’s dead right? Or is he????

I noticed that fact too. Daniel, Charlie and Libby died on the island yet have very vivid memories of that life. I guess we’ll have to see how things turn out with Locke. Every now and then you see a glimpse of the real John Locke. Let’s hope the island heals John again.

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All of those people died on the island. Locke died in a hotel room at the hands of Ben in LA.[/quote]
Here’s a thought (not totally thought out yet). What if the FSW Locke is actually MIB escaped from the island and stuck(like Ilana said) in Locke’s broken body? What if Des ran over MIB trying to kill him in FSW? What if the incident lead to MIB’s loophole and now Des is course correcting and meshing the timelines to fix it?[/quote]
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You could be on to something! The bomb could have released MIB (broke the cork and allowed him to be released). Very interesting.
I know some people are not happy with this season, but I think it has been pretty good and I do think it will all come together and have an aha moment…

This has been bothering me and I’m hoping someone can help me out. Charlie, Farraday and Libby have all been able to tap into their “Island” selves because they are dead, right? Why then, has Locke not been able to do so? Shouldn’t he have that ability as well? I mean he’s dead right? Or is he????

I noticed that fact too. Daniel, Charlie and Libby died on the island yet have very vivid memories of that life. I guess we’ll have to see how things turn out with Locke. Every now and then you see a glimpse of the real John Locke. Let’s hope the island heals John again.

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All of those people died on the island. Locke died in a hotel room at the hands of Ben in LA.[/quote]
Here’s a thought (not totally thought out yet). What if the FSW Locke is actually MIB escaped from the island and stuck(like Ilana said) in Locke’s broken body? What if Des ran over MIB trying to kill him in FSW? What if the incident lead to MIB’s loophole and now Des is course correcting and meshing the timelines to fix it?[/quote]
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I was thinking that too, but those scenes with Locke and his now wife are just to “sweet” or human for it to be the incarnation of evil. Although you never know.

The only concrete evidence in my opinion is FSW Locke telling/pushing Ben to take over the principals office. If FSW Locke somehow ends up being the MIB, we could point to this one scene as the show tipping its hand.

Des does keep referring to the MIB as Locke so maybe he knows something we don’t… ahh how I will miss L O S T

On Dr. Chang’s (who hasn’t aged much since 77) video at the museum, did anyone else see the shot of Hurley standing in front of a sign that said “Mr. Cluck’s Experimental Farm”? Could be like a new Dharma Initiative. Definitely going to be some hatches either way.

I didn’t catch Hurley seeing his reflection, but did anyone else notice Desmond seeing his reflection twice in last weeks episode? I think that could be significant. I was also sad that there was no Cheech in FSW.

Libby said that she experience her connection to her other timeline “a few days ago” when she saw one of Hurely’s commercials. I’m guessing she was in the nuthouse before that so why else is she crazy. They must have her at the laughing academy for some other reason.

I hated being spoonfed the skinny on the whispers. Not like LOST to spell it out for you like that.

I am starting to think that Desmond and Eloise have the same thing going on. I’m sure someone has said that before but I’m stating to feel it more and more. I think that they only have one timeline or reality and that they are traveling through it or have become unstuck in time ala Billy Pilgrim. Desmond swooping in on a depressed Hurley at Mr. Clucks reminded me a lot of Eloise with Desmond at the jewelery store. It also reminded me a lot of Abbadon who always said he “got people where they had to go”. Im also curious if this applies to his limo driver Mankowski (was that right?). He was unstuck in time in the island timeline just like Desmond. He also said something to Desmond like “let me know if you need anything”. When MIB says “why aren’t you afraid/” to Desmond that it was like MIB had done this before and Desmond had always been afraid before.

All of those people died on the island. Locke died in a hotel room at the hands of Ben in LA.[/quote]
Here’s a thought (not totally thought out yet). What if the FSW Locke is actually MIB escaped from the island and stuck(like Ilana said) in Locke’s broken body? What if Des ran over MIB trying to kill him in FSW? What if the incident lead to MIB’s loophole and now Des is course correcting and meshing the timelines to fix it?[/quote]

This is a really interesting idea IMO. If Locke is really MIB in FSW maybe he is manipulating reality to distract the losties by giving them what he thinks they want. Pushing Ben to go after the Principals example could be an overt example. If so perhaps he’ll discover that keeping so many balls in the air at one time is not worth the trouble.

[quote comment=”373441″]Ok, so, I don’t know what you are all talking about the new kid in the woods has dark hair? I didn’t see it, it still looks blonde to me…so I am dismissing any thoughts of one being Jacob and the other being MIB, I dont see it (even if I kinda wanted to)

The kid is older though, definately… and not like make-up older, it’s as if they actually filmed that first scene with him a couple years ago???

I bet the kid in the woods is going to help explain what was up with the Walt apparitions… Remember how Locke saw Walt “bigger” theres some connection there…[/quote]

Same actor for sure, both in the credits and in the photos. Here is the one from the “Everyone Loves Hugo” episode:

Since this blog rejects posts with more than one link, I will post the photo of the boy from “The Subsitute” in a minute.

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I hated being spoonfed the skinny on the whispers. Not like LOST to spell it out for you like that.
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Was it “LOSTlike” to have the details spoon fed? Not particularly. But at this late stage, unless we get a few specifics, there will be people who feel like they don’t know FOR SURE. I, for one, don’t want to have to see a “D&C BreakDown” podcast of three hours, answering all the questions people don’t think were explained enough! LOL

As it is, when I rewatch the series from the beginning, I know I will say to myself at LEAST once an episode, “Hey! We never found out what THAT was about!”

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I hated being spoonfed the skinny on the whispers. Not like LOST to spell it out for you like that.
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Was it “LOSTlike” to have the details spoon fed? Not particularly. But at this late stage, unless we get a few specifics, there will be people who feel like they don’t know FOR SURE. I, for one, don’t want to have to see a “D&C BreakDown” podcast of three hours, answering all the questions people don’t think were explained enough! LOL

As it is, when I rewatch the series from the beginning, I know I will say to myself at LEAST once an episode, “Hey! We never found out what THAT was about!”

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Honestly though…this is what is going to piss off a lot of fans. C & D have known for YEARS now when the show was going to end and have had ample time to tie up loose ends. I’m not talking about little quirky aspects of the show, I’m okay with those being left open.

What’s going to upset people are some of the MAJOR questions that will probably left hanging at the end. I just don’t see how, with so many story lines, they will be able to tie everything up with so little time left.

But hey…I guess that’s what we signed up for. This is, after all, LOST.

This has been bothering me and I’m hoping someone can help me out. Charlie, Farraday and Libby have all been able to tap into their “Island” selves because they are dead, right? Why then, has Locke not been able to do so? Shouldn’t he have that ability as well? I mean he’s dead right? Or is he????

I noticed that fact too. Daniel, Charlie and Libby died on the island yet have very vivid memories of that life. I guess we’ll have to see how things turn out with Locke. Every now and then you see a glimpse of the real John Locke. Let’s hope the island heals John again.

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All of those people died on the island. Locke died in a hotel room at the hands of Ben in LA.[/quote]

I realize that sam. My thought about Locke being healed is; wouldn’t it be a kicker if John winds up being the new protector of the island? I know it sounds crazy but MIB has been trying desperately for a very long time to get off the island and “go home”. If we take his words literally, where is home? Locke on the other hand wanted to stay so badly he blew up the sub. He constantly told the others they weren’t supposed to leave. Walt didn’t want to leave in the beginning and sabotaged the raft and Widmore has been trying to get back for years. Out of all the inhabitants it seems John wanted to stay the most. I could see him being happy on the island all by himself just hunting and exploring etc.. What a contrast between Locke and MIB’s desires. Somehow I think we’re going to be surprised at the end now matter what. I really hope so.

Who knows, it could be Jack as Lind said. He isn’t apathetic as he was when they came back to the island, i.e. refusing to help little Ben when he was shot. Now he’s peaceful similar to Desmond. He’s different now. At first I thought Desmond was the one but now I think he has a special role to play but maybe nothing beyond that.

I like Hammer’s theory also. It would be so ironic if MIB winds up being trapped in John’s broken body.

We’ve only seen what they have shown us but there could be more going on as PRIMO posted.

Miss lost,I have entertained the same thought. I think there is more to the explanation than the island just being a cork. There’s too many special qualities to the island to just ignore. I don’t think Richard would want to stay since his job would be finished. (?)

DharmaGreg, it could be possible that Libby checked herself into the mental facility because of depression over the loss of her husband.

Lapidus gave all those reasons for not being able to use the plane to get off the island, so what is Flocke’s agenda for deceiving everyone about leaving via the plane?

Desmond is super-charged with electromag powers. Now he is a well-dweller. What if he finds a tunnel down there? He could find his way to Swan and Orchid and other EM hotspots. He is gonna be like a car battery to jump start those stations. I think that is what Widmore originally intended before Hume was kidnapped by Sayid. Using the Scot to get the island powered-up again. That’s why Zoe is there, to help make that happen. That is why she was after Jin about the map of the main island. MIB pushing Desmond into the well could be the undoing of MIB’s plan.

I didn’t care for Ilana in the beginning because I didn’t know whose side she was on or what she was up too. After that I liked her a lot because she had moxy. She really did come off as a protector and a force to be reckoned with. I was shocked at her untimely demise but at least they did it before we felt very connected to her. This makes me worry that anyone could be eliminated unexpectedly, even Desmond. I shudder at the thought and would be very bummed.

Like others that have posted, why exactly are Lapidus and Miles still around? I don’t want them to get picked off but they are just basically there. Although Miles did volunteer to accompany Richard. There hasn’t been very much going on with some of our other Losties either.

[quote comment=”373368″]I have always enjoyed this show. It is the best show on TV ever. I am just a little disappointed this year. Not really with the show as there have been great episodes but it seems a little off. For 5 years we have been faithfully watching and interpreting everything the show has to offer but now we are suppossed to take everything that is said as the truth. I am having a difficult time adjusting my thoughts to take in everything that is said literally. For example the whole runway comments from when Kate and sawyer were working for the others. At that time no one really thought they were working on an actual runway but over the next couple of years that played out to be true. Now we are suppossed to take everything that is said and JUST believe that they all now know what the hell is going on. We have spent five years not being able to fully trust what was being said and now we have to buy into the fact that each person knows what they are talking about. Enough rambling from me but I needed to say this some place where someone might understand. Does anyone else have these same sort of feelings? I think it may be why the comments on this blog are way down from what we all probably expected it being the final season and all. Thanks.[/quote]

I agree with how you feel Duke. I think Pterradon hit the nail on the head. It would have been better to have one more season (or at least 24 or 25 episodes this year)to wrap things up then it wouldn’t seem rushed. I don’t want it to end in a long drawn out, boring way, but in a satisfying timely pace.

We all wanted to know the back story on Richard and why he was special but now the mystery is gone and a part of me wishes I didn’t know. Most of us feel the sadness that this phenomenal show is coming to an end and we will feel LOST when it’s over. I will miss analyzing and dissecting the show. What will challenge our minds now?

What has really been bothering me is this: why was Hurley being so shifty towards the end of this episode? Did you watch his eyes? After he lied about talking to Jacob, he became very twitchy-eyed and uneasy.

[quote comment=”373457″]What’s going to upset people are some of the MAJOR questions that will probably left hanging at the end. I just don’t see how, with so many story lines, they will be able to tie everything up with so little time left.

But hey…I guess that’s what we signed up for. This is, after all, LOST.[/quote]

That’s fair. But honestly, if you were to name the MAJOR things that you feel you HAVE to know to feel satisfied, what would they be? To me, at this point, a lot of the questions that USED TO BE important to me, no longer are. For example, do I *really* care how the polar bear got to Tunisia? Not anymore – just assuming that it was a FDW thing is enough for me.

[quote comment=”373468″][quote comment=”373457″]What’s going to upset people are some of the MAJOR questions that will probably left hanging at the end. I just don’t see how, with so many story lines, they will be able to tie everything up with so little time left.

But hey…I guess that’s what we signed up for. This is, after all, LOST.[/quote]

That’s fair. But honestly, if you were to name the MAJOR things that you feel you HAVE to know to feel satisfied, what would they be? To me, at this point, a lot of the questions that USED TO BE important to me, no longer are. For example, do I *really* care how the polar bear got to Tunisia? Not anymore – just assuming that it was a FDW thing is enough for me.

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I agree with PJ and to further that point also consider how many movies (much more complex than lost) have been able to leave us satisfied using only a couple of hours time. I am sure L O S T while maybe not answering everything [while I enjoyed Michael and Hurley’s interaction I would really be disappointed if we got all the answers via that same Q&A path] will surly satisfy us too.

I would much rather get to see great scenes with great acting than simply the back story of how a polar bear ends up in Tunisa or a definite narrative of significance of “the numbers.”

If your surprised or frustrated that with just a handful of episodes left we are still getting 3 more questions for every answer then what show have you been watching, brotha?

Like others that have posted, why exactly are Lapidus and Miles still around? I don’t want them to get picked off but they are just basically there. Although Miles did volunteer to accompany Richard. There hasn’t been very much going on with some of our other Losties either.[/quote]

I do think Lapidus will be important. He was supposed to be the original pilot, ended up on the island, left, was the pilot on the return flight- all by coinsidance? I think not. Also remember him crying in the flashback in season 4 (?). I think we’ll end up seeing him in the FSW pretty soon, and he’ll paly a big part.

Miles is important, too. He is Chang’s son, talks to the dead (in a different way than Hurley), and Sawyer’s friend in the FSW and the “real” time line.

So I had this crazy idea while watching reruns last night – the last scene of the last LOST episode will be Magnum PI (Tom Selleck) waking up and saying to Higgins “Wow, I just had the craziest dream”.

[quote comment=”373275″]so are whispers Jacob or MIB?
they come when the others were around but which side does it mean?[/quote]

The whispers are all those people who have died on the island. Hurley realizes this and that is why he stepped away from the group so they wouldn’t ask questions about who he was talking to at the time. Thinking they wouldn’t believe him anyway.

So…I’ll try again… I don’t think Aaron’s role is one of the “formerly important” Lost questions but I haven’t heard theories about him in ages. Does he still have a role or was he a plot device? I’m really beginning to believe that he’s MIB.

[quote comment=”373270″]Desmond wants to see the plane manifest because he wants to show the people on there something but I wonder what he is going to show them and how? Charlie and Daniel saw what they saw after seeing the women they fell in love with had they been on the island. So is Desmond going to show them the people they fell in love with on the island? If thats the case, Jack saw Kate on the plane and nothing appeared to happen[/quote]

I think Desmond is trying to get them to remember the island and what it meant to them. So the common theme happens to be love. However, I think with Jack it isn’t Kate that he needed. I think Jack needed Jack. He needed to realize that he had to stop trying to fix things, to make things better. He needed to in a sense love himself for who he is and for the fact that he can’t fix everything and needs to let go.

However, I do agree with the idea that it appears Love is the common theme.

[quote comment=”373474″]So…I’ll try again… I don’t think Aaron’s role is one of the “formerly important” Lost questions but I haven’t heard theories about him in ages. Does he still have a role or was he a plot device? I’m really beginning to believe that he’s MIB.[/quote]
OR releases the MIB. OR becomes the new MIB.

[quote comment=”373475″][quote comment=”373270″]Desmond wants to see the plane manifest because he wants to show the people on there something but I wonder what he is going to show them and how? Charlie and Daniel saw what they saw after seeing the women they fell in love with had they been on the island. So is Desmond going to show them the people they fell in love with on the island? If thats the case, Jack saw Kate on the plane and nothing appeared to happen[/quote]

I think Desmond is trying to get them to remember the island and what it meant to them. So the common theme happens to be love. However, I think with Jack it isn’t Kate that he needed. I think Jack needed Jack. He needed to realize that he had to stop trying to fix things, to make things better. He needed to in a sense love himself for who he is and for the fact that he can’t fix everything and needs to let go.

However, I do agree with the idea that it appears Love is the common theme.[/quote]

Oh yeah, and forgot, also trying to get them to remember the island because they are not finished. Desmond is trying to correct everything with the help of Widmore and that electromagnetic contraption. 🙂

[quote comment=”373278″]LOL@Illana THAT. WAS. AWESOME.[/quote]
Yeah I was waiting for that. It was a bummer though because here I was expecting she had some all knowing role protecting the candidates and . . . WHAM!!!!

Like others that have posted, why exactly are Lapidus and Miles still around? I don’t want them to get picked off but they are just basically there. Although Miles did volunteer to accompany Richard. There hasn’t been very much going on with some of our other Losties either.[/quote]

I do think Lapidus will be important. He was supposed to be the original pilot, ended up on the island, left, was the pilot on the return flight- all by coinsidance? I think not. Also remember him crying in the flashback in season 4 (?). I think we’ll end up seeing him in the FSW pretty soon, and he’ll paly a big part.

Miles is important, too. He is Chang’s son, talks to the dead (in a different way than Hurley), and Sawyer’s friend in the FSW and the “real” time line.[/quote]

Miles does have an island connection because of being the son of Hanso the Dharma Project’s leader. Plus, I think the man in Jacob’s cabin could be one of the first Hanso’s to the island. So, there will be more of a connection for him. Who knows maybe his powers came from the island with his family’s history there you never know.

Lapidus, I don’t know what is his role. He’s a good pilot and cautious person when it comes to making decisions about what to do and who to trust. I hope he’s still around in the end. Hmmm what is the end? where will the end be?

[quote comment=”373459″]Desmond is super-charged with electromag powers. Now he is a well-dweller. What if he finds a tunnel down there? He could find his way to Swan and Orchid and other EM hotspots. He is gonna be like a car battery to jump start those stations. I think that is what Widmore originally intended before Hume was kidnapped by Sayid. Using the Scot to get the island powered-up again. That’s why Zoe is there, to help make that happen. That is why she was after Jin about the map of the main island. MIB pushing Desmond into the well could be the undoing of MIB’s plan.[/quote]

Widmore subjected Hume to the EM so that he would go back to the alt reality and correct the future of our losties.
Here’s my theory: Widmore in association with his wife, Eloise, some how found out about Jacob’s game with summoning people to the island. They were ANGRY that Jacob (and MIB) could do this, play games with their children. The one constant here is the LOVE Widmore and Eloise have for their children even though they may seem ruthless. So in an attempt to save their children they get this EM contraption to go to alt realities so they can correct what Jacob (and the MIB) has done to them. Desmond is the key because he survived the EM surge from the island and so is the ONE to make these travels. He is also the ONE to make the alt reality losties remember their lives on the island.
So why do I think they get the EM contraption to go to these alt realities? Well, Daniel, Eloise’s son was a physicist in one reality but in another a musician. Who’s to say Widmore and Eloise with all their power and money didn’t alt reality to make Daniel go into the Physics field to study EM and to develop an understanding of it to the point he could time travel to make things all better. By better, I mean by Widmore and Eloise’s standards, better in that Penny (for Widmore) and Daniel (for Eloise) are happy and not dead in the final reality which will take over when Jacob and the MIB no longer have a role in everyone’s lives. 😛 Phew!

All of those people died on the island. Locke died in a hotel room at the hands of Ben in LA.[/quote]
Here’s a thought (not totally thought out yet). What if the FSW Locke is actually MIB escaped from the island and stuck(like Ilana said) in Locke’s broken body? What if Des ran over MIB trying to kill him in FSW? What if the incident lead to MIB’s loophole and now Des is course correcting and meshing the timelines to fix it?[/quote]

This is a really interesting idea IMO. If Locke is really MIB in FSW maybe he is manipulating reality to distract the losties by giving them what he thinks they want. Pushing Ben to go after the Principals example could be an overt example. If so perhaps he’ll discover that keeping so many balls in the air at one time is not worth the trouble.[/quote]

Yes I thought the same. This is probably the MIB in Locke’s body off the island and that is why he’s running him down. And yes, helping the timelines to eventually merge or “course correct” itself.

[quote comment=”373474″]So…I’ll try again… I don’t think Aaron’s role is one of the “formerly important” Lost questions but I haven’t heard theories about him in ages. Does he still have a role or was he a plot device? I’m really beginning to believe that he’s MIB.[/quote]
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There have been plenty of theories regarding aaron on this blog. Just look through this seasons posts. Aaron being the MIB/Aaron being Jacob/Aaron being the key to the universe etc… they pretty much started to intensify when that blonde kid with the bloody hands appeared to the MIB this season

[quote comment=”373483″][quote comment=”373474″]So…I’ll try again… I don’t think Aaron’s role is one of the “formerly important” Lost questions but I haven’t heard theories about him in ages. Does he still have a role or was he a plot device? I’m really beginning to believe that he’s MIB.[/quote]
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There have been plenty of theories regarding aaron on this blog. Just look through this seasons posts. Aaron being the MIB/Aaron being Jacob/Aaron being the key to the universe etc… they pretty much started to intensify when that blonde kid with the bloody hands appeared to the MIB this season[/quote]

Yep – there have definitely been plenty of Aaron theories on this blog, just not many fleshed out ones this season. And yes, a few people (like me) have tossed in a nebulously formed idea like “Aaron is the MIB/Jacob/etc.” I suppose I was just putting out a call for something beefy and complex, given the latest information we have. Some great minds come here to play and I really wonder what they think…

[quote comment=”373468″][quote comment=”373457″]What’s going to upset people are some of the MAJOR questions that will probably left hanging at the end. I just don’t see how, with so many story lines, they will be able to tie everything up with so little time left.

But hey…I guess that’s what we signed up for. This is, after all, LOST.[/quote]

That’s fair. But honestly, if you were to name the MAJOR things that you feel you HAVE to know to feel satisfied, what would they be? To me, at this point, a lot of the questions that USED TO BE important to me, no longer are. For example, do I *really* care how the polar bear got to Tunisia? Not anymore – just assuming that it was a FDW thing is enough for me.

: ) P[/quote]

hammer always knew u knew what u were talking about

My top three questions I need answers too after all these years invested are

1. How can the island heal?
2. Why are mob and Jacob on island?
3. What deal did sun and widmore have when she sacked her dad?

Did anyone notice in ‘Everybody Loves Hugo’ when Desmond asked to sit beside Hurley at the table at Mr. Clucks Chicken, they were talking and then there person who was serving the food said “order 42”. This is quite a coincidence as this one of the ‘numbers’.

Desmond says, “yes, that is me brother”. This is strange because it makes me believe that 42 could be like his patient number in a mental hospital. Hugo is a mental person in the hospital and is thinking all of these various/different surrounding, i.e. in Mr. Clucks Chicken, but in fact he is sitting at a table in the mental hospital, and the person who was serving the food at Mr. Clucks Chicken was infact a doctor who was calling patient numbers instead of (food orders).

All of those people died on the island. Locke died in a hotel room at the hands of Ben in LA.[/quote]
What if the FSW Locke is actually MIB escaped from the island and stuck(like Ilana said) in Locke’s broken body? What if Des ran over MIB trying to kill him in FSW? …fix it?[/quote]

This is a really interesting idea IMO. If Locke is really MIB in FSW maybe he is manipulating reality to distract the losties by giving them what he thinks they want. …trouble.[/quote]

Yes I thought the same. This is probably the MIB in Locke’s body off the island and that is why he’s running him down. And yes, helping the timelines to eventually merge or “course correct” itself.[/quote]
Freeze frame the end of the show when “Locke” opens his eyes after Des runs him down. They look like MIB eyes.

[quote comment=”373483″][quote comment=”373474″]So…I’ll try again… I don’t think Aaron’s role is one of the “formerly important” Lost questions but I haven’t heard theories about him in ages. Does he still have a role or was he a plot device? I’m really beginning to believe that he’s MIB.[/quote]
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There have been plenty of theories regarding aaron on this blog. Just look through this seasons posts. Aaron being the MIB/Aaron being Jacob/Aaron being the key to the universe etc… they pretty much started to intensify when that blonde kid with the bloody hands appeared to the MIB this season[/quote]

Interesting, all along I thought maybe that blonde boy who appeared to the MIB (Locke) was Jacob, but now I wonder if it is Aaron. Hmmm. . . that would make sense that MIB would be afraid of a younger replacement for Jacob. Possibly younger and stronger in his powers that’s why Locke (MIB) looked at him afraid or hesistant like. Hmmm . . . and that would also mean Aaron has powers like Jacob because he is off the island with Claire’s mom but can appear to those on the island. Curious. My interest is peaked!

[quote comment=”373490″][quote comment=”373483″][quote comment=”373474″]So…I’ll try again… I don’t think Aaron’s role is one of the “formerly important” Lost questions but I haven’t heard theories about him in ages. Does he still have a role or was he a plot device? I’m really beginning to believe that he’s MIB.[/quote]
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There have been plenty of theories regarding aaron on this blog. Just look through this seasons posts. Aaron being the MIB/Aaron being Jacob/Aaron being the key to the universe etc… they pretty much started to intensify when that blonde kid with the bloody hands appeared to the MIB this season[/quote]

Interesting, all along I thought maybe that blonde boy who appeared to the MIB (Locke) was Jacob, but now I wonder if it is Aaron. Hmmm. . . that would make sense that MIB would be afraid of a younger replacement for Jacob. Possibly younger and stronger in his powers that’s why Locke (MIB) looked at him afraid or hesistant like. Hmmm . . . and that would also mean Aaron has powers like Jacob because he is off the island with Claire’s mom but can appear to those on the island. Curious. My interest is peaked![/quote]

Oh yeah, and I thought of this too. We haven’t seen the moment Jacob touched Claire or at least I don’t remember. I wonder if Jacob appeared to her, touched her, and thereby created an “immaculate conception”. Aaron was the only baby born on the island and Claire was the only mother that survived. Plus, there was that one episode way back when where Charlie saw Claire (and someone else I can’t remember) with the virgin Mary like glow around her as she held the baby. Hmmmm . . . interesting

[quote comment=”373491″][quote comment=”373490″][quote comment=”373483″][quote comment=”373474″]So…I’ll try again… I don’t think Aaron’s role is one of the “formerly important” Lost questions but I haven’t heard theories about him in ages. Does he still have a role or was he a plot device? I’m really beginning to believe that he’s MIB.[/quote]
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There have been plenty of theories regarding aaron on this blog. Just look through this seasons posts. Aaron being the MIB/Aaron being Jacob/Aaron being the key to the universe etc… they pretty much started to intensify when that blonde kid with the bloody hands appeared to the MIB this season[/quote]

Interesting, all along I thought maybe that blonde boy who appeared to the MIB (Locke) was Jacob, but now I wonder if it is Aaron. Hmmm. . . that would make sense that MIB would be afraid of a younger replacement for Jacob. Possibly younger and stronger in his powers that’s why Locke (MIB) looked at him afraid or hesistant like. Hmmm . . . and that would also mean Aaron has powers like Jacob because he is off the island with Claire’s mom but can appear to those on the island. Curious. My interest is peaked![/quote]

Oh yeah, and I thought of this too. We haven’t seen the moment Jacob touched Claire or at least I don’t remember. I wonder if Jacob appeared to her, touched her, and thereby created an “immaculate conception”. Aaron was the only baby born on the island and Claire was the only mother that survived. Plus, there was that one episode way back when where Charlie saw Claire (and someone else I can’t remember) with the virgin Mary like glow around her as she held the baby. Hmmmm . . . interesting[/quote]
Danielle had Alex on the island and survived. Amy had Ethan on the island and survived. Claire was living with her boyfriend Tom when she got pregnant.

[quote comment=”373492″][quote comment=”373491″][quote comment=”373490″][quote comment=”373483″][quote comment=”373474″]So…I’ll try again… I don’t think Aaron’s role is one of the “formerly important” Lost questions but I haven’t heard theories about him in ages. Does he still have a role or was he a plot device? I’m really beginning to believe that he’s MIB.[/quote]
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There have been plenty of theories regarding aaron on this blog. Just look through this seasons posts. Aaron being the MIB/Aaron being Jacob/Aaron being the key to the universe etc… they pretty much started to intensify when that blonde kid with the bloody hands appeared to the MIB this season[/quote]

Interesting, all along I thought maybe that blonde boy who appeared to the MIB (Locke) was Jacob, but now I wonder if it is Aaron. Hmmm. . . that would make sense that MIB would be afraid of a younger replacement for Jacob. Possibly younger and stronger in his powers that’s why Locke (MIB) looked at him afraid or hesistant like. Hmmm . . . and that would also mean Aaron has powers like Jacob because he is off the island with Claire’s mom but can appear to those on the island. Curious. My interest is peaked![/quote]

Oh yeah, and I thought of this too. We haven’t seen the moment Jacob touched Claire or at least I don’t remember. I wonder if Jacob appeared to her, touched her, and thereby created an “immaculate conception”. Aaron was the only baby born on the island and Claire was the only mother that survived. Plus, there was that one episode way back when where Charlie saw Claire (and someone else I can’t remember) with the virgin Mary like glow around her as she held the baby. Hmmmm . . . interesting[/quote]
Danielle had Alex on the island and survived. Amy had Ethan on the island and survived. Claire was living with her boyfriend Tom when she got pregnant.[/quote]

Hmmm . . . ok so you say he wasn’t the only one. 🙂 Now, yes Claire was living with her boyfriend but let’s say that for a moment Jacob did come across her, touched her, and somehow has a connection to Aaron and then Aaron to the island. Just trying to answer the Aaron question of what his significance may be on or to the island.

Oh and good one on that Amy and Ethan one. I don’t even remember anything of those two. Which episode or season was that? So much stuff to easily forget. Thanks.

According to Juliet, babies conceived ON the island since the “incident” were attacked by the mothers’ bodies in the second trimester. Aaron and Alex were conceived off the island.
Perhaps Li Jeon was conceived on the island, but she was born off the island.
Ethan, Miles, (Charlotte? Daniel?) were born before the incident.
In the first season, Claire was worried because she hadn’t felt Aaron move. Jin gave her some fish he caught, and Claire got excited becuse she felt it move then. Meaning, I dunno.

I just watched the episode for a second time, and I had a couple of thoughts…

In the first scene that we see in Flocke’s camp, where he’s peeling that tree branch or spear or whatever it is, the way that Flocke tells Sawyer “I’m not sure what it’s gonna be yet James. When the time is right, it’ll tell me” struck me. Then, he tells Kate that Hugo, Sun, and Jack had to join them in order to get off “this God-forsaken rock”, and what he actually says is “we’re waiting for your friends to get here” to Kate. And boom, that’s exactly what happens later in the episode. I’m wondering if somehow Flocke knows what’s going to happen? Isn’t it a little strange to you that he’s just working on a tree branch–is it logical that he’s just doing that without knowing why?

Consider also Flocke’s smug look when Jack does show up right at the end of the episode. Like he’s saying with his facial expression “yep, I knew you’d be here.”

However, Desmond might be the fly in his ointment that he doesn’t know about (that, and the young boy he has seen in the woods). The precise instant Desmond tells him “of course…you’re John Locke”, he immediately tells Desmond that he needs to go on a walk with him–alone–and he offers his hand, which we’ve seen this season as a possible metaphor for evil (we think). Maybe this is exactly why Flocke is so unnerved by Desmond. Flocke somehow knows what’s going to happen, but Desmond is something he hadn’t planned for.

[quote comment=”373494″]According to Juliet, babies conceived ON the island since the “incident” were attacked by the mothers’ bodies in the second trimester. Aaron and Alex were conceived off the island.
Perhaps Li Jeon was conceived on the island, but she was born off the island.
Ethan, Miles, (Charlotte? Daniel?) were born before the incident.
In the first season, Claire was worried because she hadn’t felt Aaron move. Jin gave her some fish he caught, and Claire got excited becuse she felt it move then. Meaning, I dunno.[/quote]

Nice, I like the fish and its meaning. Interesting.

However, Aaron was conceived on the island. I believe it was the episode when Aaron was born and Boone dies. It had the whole where there’s life, there’s death thing going on. Claire did go to the hospital in the FF (or at least I don’t think it was the FSW – GOTTA LOVE LOST) scenes but didn’t have the baby.

True about Ethan. He would have been before the “incident” so he would have survived. Oh and Miles forgot about him. He must have been born on the island. Hmmmm . . . That would figure why he has the “powers” that he does.

Ok, now, I can see Daniel being possibly born there before but why Charlotte? Can you help me with this one?

[quote comment=”373496″]I just watched the episode for a second time, and I had a couple of thoughts…

In the first scene that we see in Flocke’s camp, where he’s peeling that tree branch or spear or whatever it is, the way that Flocke tells Sawyer “I’m not sure what it’s gonna be yet James. When the time is right, it’ll tell me” struck me. Then, he tells Kate that Hugo, Sun, and Jack had to join them in order to get off “this God-forsaken rock”, and what he actually says is “we’re waiting for your friends to get here” to Kate. And boom, that’s exactly what happens later in the episode. I’m wondering if somehow Flocke knows what’s going to happen? Isn’t it a little strange to you that he’s just working on a tree branch–is it logical that he’s just doing that without knowing why?

Consider also Flocke’s smug look when Jack does show up right at the end of the episode. Like he’s saying with his facial expression “yep, I knew you’d be here.”

However, Desmond might be the fly in his ointment that he doesn’t know about (that, and the young boy he has seen in the woods). The precise instant Desmond tells him “of course…you’re John Locke”, he immediately tells Desmond that he needs to go on a walk with him–alone–and he offers his hand, which we’ve seen this season as a possible metaphor for evil (we think). Maybe this is exactly why Flocke is so unnerved by Desmond. Flocke somehow knows what’s going to happen, but Desmond is something he hadn’t planned for.

Thoughts?[/quote]
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I like that Flocke says, I don’t know yet…it will tell me…this is also very John Locke like. Or Island like. We have seen numerous times the people who believe in the power of the island that the island guides them or tells them or (visions?) shows them.
John once told Jack that he knew something b/c the island told him….and Jack said, the island told you? And John replied ya. (this might have been in season 1 when they were looking for someone). Anyway, John has had many of these encounters where he is guided by the island and he is just going with the flow waiting for the island to tell him!

One of those bright electromagnetic beams will come flashing out of the well, and Desmond, being immune to them, will ride it safely to the surface. Then he’ll go about his merry way, continuing to fix reality.

I dont know if any of you watch Fringe but it is a great show by JJ A. & I think this week’s episode (guy on train) might give some clues to how the LOST creators & writers believe in time travel. If you have never seen this show, watch from first season b/c just watching this episode would ruin & spoil the show.

[quote comment=”373497″][quote comment=”373494″]According to Juliet, babies conceived ON the island since the “incident” were attacked by the mothers’ bodies in the second trimester. Aaron and Alex were conceived off the island.
Perhaps Li Jeon was conceived on the island, but she was born off the island.
Ethan, Miles, (Charlotte? Daniel?) were born before the incident.
In the first season, Claire was worried because she hadn’t felt Aaron move. Jin gave her some fish he caught, and Claire got excited becuse she felt it move then. Meaning, I dunno.[/quote]

Nice, I like the fish and its meaning. Interesting.

However, Aaron was conceived on the island. I believe it was the episode when Aaron was born and Boone dies. It had the whole where there’s life, there’s death thing going on. Claire did go to the hospital in the FF (or at least I don’t think it was the FSW – GOTTA LOVE LOST) scenes but didn’t have the baby.

True about Ethan. He would have been before the “incident” so he would have survived. Oh and Miles forgot about him. He must have been born on the island. Hmmmm . . . That would figure why he has the “powers” that he does.

Ok, now, I can see Daniel being possibly born there before but why Charlotte? Can you help me with this one?[/quote]

Aaron was not conceived on the island. Claire was towards the end of her pregnancy when the plane crashed. She did go to the hospital with Kate in the FSW.

Miles was born on the island however that doesn’t necessarily mean that’s how he acquired his abilities. Others born on the island such as Ethan didn’t have any special abilities that we were ever shown. We assume Charlotte was born on the island because we saw her there as a little girl. We don’t know if Daniel was born on or off the island but I would think probably off.

[quote comment=”373496″]I just watched the episode for a second time, and I had a couple of thoughts…

In the first scene that we see in Flocke’s camp, where he’s peeling that tree branch or spear or whatever it is, the way that Flocke tells Sawyer “I’m not sure what it’s gonna be yet James. When the time is right, it’ll tell me” struck me. Then, he tells Kate that Hugo, Sun, and Jack had to join them in order to get off “this God-forsaken rock”, and what he actually says is “we’re waiting for your friends to get here” to Kate. And boom, that’s exactly what happens later in the episode. I’m wondering if somehow Flocke knows what’s going to happen? Isn’t it a little strange to you that he’s just working on a tree branch–is it logical that he’s just doing that without knowing why?

Consider also Flocke’s smug look when Jack does show up right at the end of the episode. Like he’s saying with his facial expression “yep, I knew you’d be here.”

I was trying to get at this in an earlier post. I thought of it the most when Flock asks Desmond why he isn’t afraid. He had the same shock Eloise had in “Flashes Before Your Eyes” when Desmond says he wants to buy the ring for Penny. I think Flock has either been having the same type of flashes as Desmond or he has done all of this before in another timeline. Remember how Eloise knew the man in the red shoes was going to die (“Flashes Before Your Eyes” again)? It seemed to me that she had seen this happen before.

Rewatching this old Desmond-centric episode made me think. Wild theory- MIB was trapped at some point inside of the Swan Dharma hatch. Pushing the button every 108 minutes released his built up energy. Maybe this is when the black smoke and visions of dead people were able to be created/let out? When Desmond turned the fail-safe key he let Smokie out for good. Any thoughts?

[quote comment=”373506″][quote comment=”373504″]We don’t know if Daniel was born on or off the island but I would think probably off.[/quote]

In a recent podcast (which have been considered canon up until now), D&C said that Daniel was born off island.

: ) P[/quote]
That’s helpful. Eloise was pregnant when the incident happened. Now we know when Eloise left the island, 1977. After the incidnet.
That’s in the second timeline. In the original timeline, “the incident” occurred in 1985 (blast door screenshot, Lostpedia). So she left before the incident in timeline 1.
Don’t know if that’s relevant.

[quote comment=”373504″][quote comment=”373497″][quote comment=”373494″]According to Juliet, babies conceived ON the island since the “incident” were attacked by the mothers’ bodies in the second trimester. Aaron and Alex were conceived off the island.
Perhaps Li Jeon was conceived on the island, but she was born off the island.
Ethan, Miles, (Charlotte? Daniel?) were born before the incident.
In the first season, Claire was worried because she hadn’t felt Aaron move. Jin gave her some fish he caught, and Claire got excited becuse she felt it move then. Meaning, I dunno.[/quote]

Nice, I like the fish and its meaning. Interesting.

However, Aaron was conceived on the island. I believe it was the episode when Aaron was born and Boone dies. It had the whole where there’s life, there’s death thing going on. Claire did go to the hospital in the FF (or at least I don’t think it was the FSW – GOTTA LOVE LOST) scenes but didn’t have the baby.

True about Ethan. He would have been before the “incident” so he would have survived. Oh and Miles forgot about him. He must have been born on the island. Hmmmm . . . That would figure why he has the “powers” that he does.

Ok, now, I can see Daniel being possibly born there before but why Charlotte? Can you help me with this one?[/quote]

Aaron was not conceived on the island. Claire was towards the end of her pregnancy when the plane crashed. She did go to the hospital with Kate in the FSW.

Miles was born on the island however that doesn’t necessarily mean that’s how he acquired his abilities. Others born on the island such as Ethan didn’t have any special abilities that we were ever shown. We assume Charlotte was born on the island because we saw her there as a little girl. We don’t know if Daniel was born on or off the island but I would think probably off.[/quote]

OMG I can’t believe I wrote conceived on the island. Sorry I have been sick and didn’t realize that I wrote conceived. :O I meant Aaron was born on the island at the same time Boone had passed.

If Hugo won the lottery in FSW with the numbers, and if he didn’t get the numbers from the institution, then does he know the numbers because of some connection to his island/crash world? Also, when Desmond’s number was called in the fast food joint, Hugo seems to pause for a split second. I think we’ll find out more about the numbers; if not, then I’m not sure why the writers would keep reminding us of them. The island is not done with them.

If Hugo won the lottery in FSW with the numbers, and if he didn’t get the numbers from the institution, then does he know the numbers because of some connection to his island/crash world? Also, when Desmond’s number was called in the fast food joint, Hugo seems to pause for a split second. I think we’ll find out more about the numbers; if not, then I’m not sure why the writers would keep reminding us of them. The island is not done with them.[/quote]

Those who’ve been around here a while, no that I have VERY strong feelings against spoilers. That said, this is, in my opinion, NOT a spoiler, but in case someone else might think it is, I am giving you fair warning. Stop reading now and skip to the next message if you are worried.

According to Jorge Garcia, in his script for “Everybody Loves Hugo” it is explained that in the FSW, Hurley found a dollar bill, used it to buy a lottery ticket, and used the serial number from the dollar as the numbers. The jackpot for the FSW lottery was $187mm (versus $114mm in the original timeline).

Probably just filler since it was cut, but I thought it was interesting.

For those who may wish to comment about this, please refer to it, rather than quote and reply, so that any who wish to avoid the subject can do so.

PJ… its weird that they would cut that (think ABC needs to alot at least 17 minutes of commercial time per hour!) cuz that was something I was waiting to see in this ep… maybe they used the cut later on? we’ll see…. theres always cut and pastes happening… I’m still wondering if there is a change in the numbers in the sideway…

If Hugo won the lottery in FSW with the numbers, and if he didn’t get the numbers from the institution, then does he know the numbers because of some connection to his island/crash world? Also, when Desmond’s number was called in the fast food joint, Hugo seems to pause for a split second. I think we’ll find out more about the numbers; if not, then I’m not sure why the writers would keep reminding us of them. The island is not done with them.[/quote]

Probably just filler since it was cut, but I thought it was interesting.

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do the numbers even matter at this point? I mean in FSW the “numbers” never existed right? given the island sinking in ’77…

also I would much rather they NOT address the numbers and leave them as a sort of mysery than have Harold Perrineau appear to Hurley again and tell him about some Italian guys equation…

If Hugo won the lottery in FSW with the numbers, and if he didn’t get the numbers from the institution, then does he know the numbers because of some connection to his island/crash world? Also, when Desmond’s number was called in the fast food joint, Hugo seems to pause for a split second. I think we’ll find out more about the numbers; if not, then I’m not sure why the writers would keep reminding us of them. The island is not done with them.[/quote]

Probably just filler since it was cut, but I thought it was interesting.

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do the numbers even matter at this point? I mean in FSW the “numbers” never existed right? given the island sinking in ’77…

also I would much rather they NOT address the numbers and leave them as a sort of mysery than have Harold Perrineau appear to Hurley again and tell him about some Italian guys equation…

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Me too. I prefer to let my mind assume that the numbers are the same because of WHH. *grin*

After watching the scene where the whispers were revealed I was wondering how Hammer felt about that…I know it’s odd but as I watched it my mind immediately thought of this site and whether or not Hammer was satisfied with the nature in which it was explained…

Ok, I think the only thing missing is Walt, they made such a big deal about him & totally wrote him off. Seems like 10 episodes+ praising how special Walt is was a waste of our time. I hope I’m proven wrong…

After watching the scene where the whispers were revealed I was wondering how Hammer felt about that…I know it’s odd but as I watched it my mind immediately thought of this site and whether or not Hammer was satisfied with the nature in which it was explained…[/quote]
Well sort of…I am happy that it was explained, and glad it was close to what I thought they were, but I would have liked it done better. I would have preferred that they explained them by having them appear earlier in the season in a situation similar to how they appeared over the course of the show (most often just before the Others made an entrance).

It seems to be every time one of the kids show up whenever Locke is with someone whom he is thinking of killing, to remind him of the rules. Hence why he gets so choked…and threw desmond into the well instead of killing him.