KBJelleyBean24 wrote:Lol what a clown, bring some offensive skill set and up your free throw percentage before you start to think you're as valuable as kobe to this franchise

Age is an issue. That's why I suggest it's the time for Kobe passing torch.

I'd think Kobe would have less of an issue passing the torch to a player that's better than him, or at least on his level as he ages. Dwight isn't on Kobe's level and I don't think he ever will be, why pass the torch to a player that's worse than you in his 9th season compared to your 17th? Dwight can barely score on his own without being spoon fed at the rim, not exactly "torch passing" material unless we want to miss the playoffs so Dwight could get his and be "happy".

KBJelleyBean24 wrote:Lol what a clown, bring some offensive skill set and up your free throw percentage before you start to think you're as valuable as kobe to this franchise

Age is an issue. That's why I suggest it's the time for Kobe passing torch.

I'd think Kobe would have less of an issue passing the torch to a player that's better than him, or at least on his level as he ages. Dwight isn't on Kobe's level and I don't think he ever will be, why pass the torch to a player that's worse than you in his 9th season compared to your 17th? Dwight can barely score on his own without being spoon fed at the rim, not exactly "torch passing" material unless we want to miss the playoffs so Dwight could get his and be "happy".

Not saying D12 is better than Kobe. To be fair, I don't think Lakers/Kobe give enough chance for him showing his true color. Actually, which player in NBA history is still team's 1st option at his 17th year ? My main idea of passing torch is letting Kobe has more rest in regular season and saving energy for playoffs.

Sorry, I just don't agree that Dwight was up to that. When he was given the ball more he was a turnover machine, and in the playoffs as the main guy he was a joke. I didn't expect him to get us any wins, our roster was horrible due to injury, but I expected to at least see him do all he could to make us look respectable, or at least get his. Kobe would have put up 40 points going down fighting in the same situation, where Dwight couldn't do jack and looked like he didn't even want to be playing. He got what he apparently wanted when he got tossed in game 4.

I think all the stats that have been brought up many times disprove that Dwight didn't get used enough or get to show his true colors. Interesting choice of words really, I think Dwight got a chance to shown his true colors this offseason, he did when he bolted. His true color is yellow, but not gold. He had no real appreciation of what it means to be a Laker, and if it's true he wanted Kobe gone so he could be the man he had no respect for a Laker legend and what he means to this franchise and city, selfishly wanting the franchise handed to him.

He puts on this nice guy act, all smiles, wants everyone to love him apparently, and while I don't doubt he is a nice person, I also think in a lot of ways he's a fraud. He wants to be one of the greats yet he doesn't work on or add to his game? He wants to win titles, yet he doesn't stay with the winningest franchise of the last 3 decades plus and learn from a 5 time champion or work with a 6 time champion in Kareem? Talk is cheap, he wants to have fun with not much pressure above wining, fraud.

He thinks he already is a winner (his own words not mine) and that he knows what it takes to be a champion apparently as he doesn't need anyone's help, tutoring, or advice to get him there, that's just immaturity to me and I don't see it changing. Even MJ, Shaq, and Kobe had to learn how to be winners under Phil, had to grow as players and men, humble themselves to the point that they admitted to themselves at least they still had things to learn about winning and and being leaders (and at least Kobe and Shaq have admitted that publicly as well, not sure about MJ). I would also bet LeBron looked to Riley and maybe some others we're not aware of in the offseason after he lost to the Mavs, got serious, worked on his flaws, and came back better and on a mission to win. Apparently Dwight and some other players in this new generation are above that sort of thing and think winning will just happen, I don't know, I guess we'll see in time.

lakerfan2 wrote:Nah, Dwight is done as a Laker. I can't even call him a Laker.

I accepted his inability to hit free throws, his lack of post up game, hell, him smiling after losing.

But based on his decision and the facts surrounding his decision I feel makes him dishonorable and a coward.

It sickens me that I have his jersey. I want to rip the letters off to put Divac on there.

As far as Laker centers go,

Divac > DwightPau >>>>>> Dwight

Dwight could have been a Laker legend but he'll be remembered as being more of a rich man's Kwame Brown with a bad attitude more than anything. At first I was bummed that he left, even though I knew he'd leave and his body language was always poor.

After reading all of this, I'm glad he's gone. Asking the FO to amnesty Kobe? That is so beyond bizarre and disrespectful I have a hard time believing he actually did that. What nerve.

In terms of Laker tradition, putting Dwight's name next to Kwame Brown is an insult.........

..to Kwame Brown himself.

No way should Dwight's name be above any Laker center that was part of a post season victory.

Weezy wrote:Sorry, I just don't agree that Dwight was up to that. When he was given the ball more he was a turnover machine, and in the playoffs as the main guy he was a joke. I didn't expect him to get us any wins, our roster was horrible due to injury, but I expected to at least see him do all he could to make us look respectable, or at least get his. Kobe would have put up 40 points going down fighting in the same situation, where Dwight couldn't do jack and looked like he didn't even want to be playing. He got what he apparently wanted when he got tossed in game 4.

I think all the stats that have been brought up many times disprove that Dwight didn't get used enough or get to show his true colors. Interesting choice of words really, I think Dwight got a chance to shown his true colors this offseason, he did when he bolted. His true color is yellow, but not gold. He had no real appreciation of what it means to be a Laker, and if it's true he wanted Kobe gone so he could be the man he had no respect for a Laker legend and what he means to this franchise and city, selfishly wanting the franchise handed to him.

He puts on this nice guy act, all smiles, wants everyone to love him apparently, and while I don't doubt he is a nice person, I also think in a lot of ways he's a fraud. He wants to be one of the greats yet he doesn't work on or add to his game? He wants to win titles, yet he doesn't stay with the winningest franchise of the last 3 decades plus and learn from a 5 time champion or work with a 6 time champion in Kareem? Talk is cheap, he wants to have fun with not much pressure above wining, fraud.

He thinks he already is a winner (his own words not mine) and that he knows what it takes to be a champion apparently as he doesn't need anyone's help, tutoring, or advice to get him there, that's just immaturity to me and I don't see it changing. Even MJ, Shaq, and Kobe had to learn how to be winners under Phil, had to grow as players and men, humble themselves to the point that they admitted to themselves at least they still had things to learn about winning and and being leaders (and at least Kobe and Shaq have admitted that publicly as well, not sure about MJ). I would also bet LeBron looked to Riley and maybe some others we're not aware of in the offseason after he lost to the Mavs, got serious, worked on his flaws, and came back better and on a mission to win. Apparently Dwight and some other players in this new generation are above that sort of thing and think winning will just happen, I don't know, I guess we'll see in time.

too much logic. No one who has played true competitive anything would believe you simply "hand" over the keys to the team. Passing a torch has to be earned and deserved. Passing it from a 5 time Champion who tore his Achilles and still made two free throws in a crucial game. The other guy just smiles and apparently talks behind others backs.

I don't always bring down the hammer but when I do it is usually to a troll! Stay TROLL FREE my freinds!

Weezy wrote:Sorry, I just don't agree that Dwight was up to that. When he was given the ball more he was a turnover machine, and in the playoffs as the main guy he was a joke. I didn't expect him to get us any wins, our roster was horrible due to injury, but I expected to at least see him do all he could to make us look respectable, or at least get his. Kobe would have put up 40 points going down fighting in the same situation, where Dwight couldn't do jack and looked like he didn't even want to be playing. He got what he apparently wanted when he got tossed in game 4.

D12 played just average overall last season. But he was not Kwame, the turnover thing is quite harsh to him. As we know, it's still Kobe's team. And we lost Kobe suddenly and the time which was close to playoffs. Since the gameplan and plays are totally different after Kobe injured, it's hard to fit on time as the 1st option against Spurs. In that series, I can see D12 tried and played hard, he performed better than regular season and Duncan. In game 4, he was frustrated. We should understand that. Just like Bynum threw an elbow to Mavs player.

By the way, D12 should respect Kobe, especially regarding to our franchise.

Dwight got frustrated because he has absolutely 0-10% ability to carry the offensive load for a team. Kobe went down and it was his, and his ONLY, to carry this team in the 1st round. He couldn't and knew it. He got tossed because he is a coward. Bynum may have been a baby but Bynum played with heart. Stop defending DWight it just hurts the credibility of your bball IQ.

I don't always bring down the hammer but when I do it is usually to a troll! Stay TROLL FREE my freinds!

puffyusaf#2 wrote:Dwight got frustrated because he has absolutely 0-10% ability to carry the offensive load for a team. Kobe went down and it was his, and his ONLY, to carry this team in the 1st round. He couldn't and knew it. He got tossed because he is a coward. Bynum may have been a baby but Bynum played with heart. Stop defending DWight it just hurts the credibility of your bball IQ.

I've mentioned D12 just played average overall in last season. Just in case of the situation that losing the best player of the team, D12 tried and played hard in 1st round. I think we should not blame him for the loss. Just like another example of Thunders, after losing Westbrook, the best team in West and Durant couldn't survive too.

For Bynum, I really don't see him playing with heart. Actually, he does not lead a team yet.

lakerfan2 wrote:Nah, Dwight is done as a Laker. I can't even call him a Laker.

I accepted his inability to hit free throws, his lack of post up game, hell, him smiling after losing.

But based on his decision and the facts surrounding his decision I feel makes him dishonorable and a coward.

It sickens me that I have his jersey. I want to rip the letters off to put Divac on there.

As far as Laker centers go,

Divac > DwightPau >>>>>> Dwight

Dwight could have been a Laker legend but he'll be remembered as being more of a rich man's Kwame Brown with a bad attitude more than anything. At first I was bummed that he left, even though I knew he'd leave and his body language was always poor.

After reading all of this, I'm glad he's gone. Asking the FO to amnesty Kobe? That is so beyond bizarre and disrespectful I have a hard time believing he actually did that. What nerve.

In terms of Laker tradition, putting Dwight's name next to Kwame Brown is an insult.........

..to Kwame Brown himself.

No way should Dwight's name be above any Laker center that was part of a post season victory.

He's scared. Kobe injured and MDA coaching? Lakers hired one of the worst coaches possible.. especially for an aging roster and a big like D12. They focused a little too much on who Kobe gets along with and respects instead of finding a coach who doesn't suck.

D12 ran. He's not able to carry a club and he split. The Lakers are going to be absolutely horrendous next season, D12 simply can't handle the scrutiny. He's all cozy hiding in Houston where everyone will pat his bottom and write great things about him.

Every new information coming out regarding whatr happened behind the scenes during last season makes me more and more happy thaat this crybaby is gome.

I expect a very enjoyable season. Sure we will not win anything significant, but the Lakers should be fun to watch again. I hope for a break from the constant drama. And relatively low expectations will allow us to enjoy every win a little more. I remember to have enjoyed the times of Kobe plus 4 scrubs as well. We did not win a ton of games, but for some strange reason I was proud like never before to be a Lakers fan.

By the way, I do not think we will be as bad as the most here seem to believe, I expext us to make the play-offs easily (somewhere near the 6 spot), unless the injuries hit again...

Reggie Miller and Steve Kerr talked about Kobe and Dwight during our summer league game tonight. They both said they couldn't imagine the fan backlash if Kobe had been amnestied and it was crazy that people were even suggesting it. Both praised him for how well he played this season after so long in the league especially.

About Dwight Reggie said "he wouldn't be my franchise center", he said he agreed with Kobe challenging Dwight or not handing the franchise to him, forget exactly what he said. He then said his franchise center/player would have to be able to be in during the last 5 minutes of games, be able to make free throws and make shots and that isn't Dwight. Kerr then said that's why he thinks Houston was perfect for Dwight, he gets the "illusion" that he is the man there with a new group of young guys, and something like he doesn't have the same pressure and expectations there. I thought that was pretty funny, he gets to pretend like he's the man on a smaller team.

Weezy wrote:Reggie Miller and Steve Kerr talked about Kobe and Dwight during our summer league game tonight. They both said they couldn't imagine the fan backlash if Kobe had been amnestied and it was crazy that people were even suggesting it. Both praised him for how well he played this season after so long in the league especially.

About Dwight Reggie said "he wouldn't be my franchise center", he said he agreed with Kobe challenging Dwight or not handing the franchise to him, forget exactly what he said. He then said his franchise center/player would have to be able to be in during the last 5 minutes of games, be able to make free throws and make shots and that isn't Dwight. Kerr then said that's why he thinks Houston was perfect for Dwight, he gets the "illusion" that he is the man there with a new group of young guys, and something like he doesn't have the same pressure and expectations there. I thought that was pretty funny, he gets to pretend like he's the man on a smaller team.

Sounds like Reggie was reading my posts....

Your best player has to be counted on to win close games down the stretch..... Period

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I think Kareem said it all when he said he watched Howard play in the 2009 finals and thought this was a kid who can be good if he gets better. Then in 2013, he watches him play and sees that he's still the same player he was in 2009.

Howard has reached his ceiling and he's been there for several years. Yes, he woulda made the Lakers a little better. Maybe from a 42 win team to a 47 win team. But nowhere near a championship contender. Would he be worth a max contract from an investment standpoint? Not really.

Like a couple guys just said, how can he be the main guy when he can't be in there in the final minutes of crunch time? He'll either get fouled and miss free throws or he'll turn it over. He's a great athlete for his size. But he has no skill.