Karma Dorje wrote: Even in ordinary society, this is disrespectful of women. How much more so when discussing the dharma which exalts women as the embodiment of the Perfection of Wisdom. Very curious approach.

Its possible my mind has been warped from reading the root tantras and their view of women (actually girls) as chattel.

Here is a extract from the Union of Sun and the Moon Tantra;"1) As a beginner, using the bee-like conduct of integrating numerous Dharma teachings, you should attain certainty as to learning, reflection and meditation.2) With the conduct of a swallow entering its nest, you should cut through misconceptions about the oral instructions and ensure that the deviations of doubt, obstacles and faults do not occur.3) Following this, during the actual practice, you should have the conduct of a wounded deer and keep to unpeopled mountain dwellings free from the ties of worldly distractions.4) As an aid to this you should keep silence, having the conduct of a mute. For your entire life refrain from engaging in flattery or slander.5) Keeping the conduct like a madman, cast away prejudice and attachment, like, dislike and indifference toward friends and enemies.6) Adopting the conduct of pigs and dogs, you should be content with whatever happens and take whatever is experienced as your companion, without pure and impure concepts concerning food, clothing, dwelling and sitting place.7) Through the lion-like conduct of the king of beasts, you should be free from anxiety about events and completely cast away all fetters of hope and fear. Until you have realized the fruition, practice so that you can endure heat and cold and good and bad equally, without falling under the power of circumstances."

/magnus

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"To reject practice by saying, 'it is conceptual!' is the path of fools. A tendency of the inexperienced and something to be avoided."- Longchenpa

Here is a extract from the Union of Sun and the Moon Tantra;"1) As a beginner, using the bee-like conduct of integrating numerous Dharma teachings, you should attain certainty as to learning, reflection and meditation.2) With the conduct of a swallow entering its nest, you should cut through misconceptions about the oral instructions and ensure that the deviations of doubt, obstacles and faults do not occur.3) Following this, during the actual practice, you should have the conduct of a wounded deer and keep to unpeopled mountain dwellings free from the ties of worldly distractions.4) As an aid to this you should keep silence, having the conduct of a mute. For your entire life refrain from engaging in flattery or slander.5) Keeping the conduct like a madman, cast away prejudice and attachment, like, dislike and indifference toward friends and enemies.6) Adopting the conduct of pigs and dogs, you should be content with whatever happens and take whatever is experienced as your companion, without pure and impure concepts concerning food, clothing, dwelling and sitting place.7) Through the lion-like conduct of the king of beasts, you should be free from anxiety about events and completely cast away all fetters of hope and fear. Until you have realized the fruition, practice so that you can endure heat and cold and good and bad equally, without falling under the power of circumstances."

/magnus

This is referring to rushan, not thogal.

Anyway, it mentions friends and enemies, refraining from engaging in flattery or slander, so I don't think you are isolated.

During today's webcast Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche mentioned about recent rainbow body realization this or last year. He told about this only a few words that it was attracted american scientists to go to see it, but he don't know any more details .. Does anybody have heard anything about this? Any web press or blogs or forums posts links would be very interesting!

arsent wrote:During today's webcast Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche mentioned about recent rainbow body realization this or last year. He told about this only a few words that it was attracted american scientists to go to see it, but he don't know any more details .. Does anybody have heard anything about this? Any web press or blogs or forums posts links would be very interesting!

I don't want to pretend I know very much about Tögal but I have understood that there are several reasons for this. One is the preliminary of the nine-fold relaxing of body, speech and mind an other is that Tögal is secret and you are not allowed to show other people the postures. This practice is also quite difficult, at least I think so. It possible that if you are an expert you can practice it everywhere and other people might not even notice it. But I am a beginner, then you do retreats and retreats are best in quiet places preferably with a view.

/magnus

"To reject practice by saying, 'it is conceptual!' is the path of fools. A tendency of the inexperienced and something to be avoided."- Longchenpa

I don't want to pretend I know very much about Tögal but I have understood that there are several reasons for this. One is the preliminary of the nine-fold relaxing of body, speech and mind an other is that Tögal is secret and you are not allowed to show other people the postures. This practice is also quite difficult, at least I think so. It possible that if you are an expert you can practice it everywhere and other people might not even notice it. But I am a beginner, then you do retreats and retreats are best in quiet places preferably with a view.