quote:Originally posted by RyzYou could have calmly explained that without the idiot part. That way, I would have respected you more than a little, name calling kid.

Your respect for me is not my concern. Operant conditioning is, more specifically, keeping BS pyramid crap off of the board.

quote:Originally posted by RyzI was responding to this statement: "pyramid should stay in Egypt"
NOT the issue of pyramid schemes as a whole. I know what a pyramid scheme is; I've done my research over the years. I was trying to warn buckeyeboy1986..

I was responding to your following statement, which demonstrates that you are clearly ignorant on the topic:

quote:

quote:Originally posted by RyzBasically, every company in the United States is set-up in the form of a pyramid. The U.S. government itself is also a pyramid.

quote:Originally posted by RyzYou might want to go with this lesson for the day: P.A.I.F. Paying attention is fundamental.

I don't remember that being a PSA in the '70's/'80's; no style points for you!

quote:Originally posted by RyzKeep it up with those attacks and you'll prove that you have a maturity level of a 6 year old.

ummmm...yeah...ok, whatever, but as long as I prove that any talk of pyramid schemes or the defense thereof will be dealt with swiftly.

"Expect me when you see me."

Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:58 am

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I had a feeling that, with someone of your personality, it would come to this. You didn't even make an effort to understand the connection.

quote: Your respect for me is not my concern.

Your respect for other people should be. And don't you dare lie and say "Whatever- I don't care if the world hates me. That's their problem!" Those miserable people always lie to themselves; they know it matters.

quote: ...but I'm not an idiot!

No one on this forum is an idiot. But, you, on the other hand, are far worse: You're just a selfish jerk. You'll never be a good, respectable businessman and your ignorance will haunt you unless you change.

But, I'm through dealing with you, and I will not further respond to your arrogant, immature responses. I know your type; winning a pointless heated argument on forums is like winning a gold medal in the olympics to you. You feel like a hero because you can bash other people. Sorry, but you're not receiving another metal to add to your collection this time, big boy.

Take care! Good luck! Goodbye, and don't forget to evaluate your life!

Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:45 pm

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quote:Originally posted by RyzYour respect for other people should be.

You are probably right, but there are two impediments. 1. This isn't a perfect world, and 2. All work (wading through get-rich-quick posts and deleting the illegal ones) and no play (reading intelligent posts) makes Rolo a grumpy guy. I only have so much to give and it's all gone by the time I see those types. The fact that you have one in your sig puts you into that category...yet...another...'get rich, go to my site!' type.

quote:Originally posted by RyzYour respect for other people should be. And don't you dare lie and say "Whatever- I don't care if the world hates me. That's their problem!" Those miserable people always lie to themselves; they know it matters.

Waitaminute here...I could swear you had an issue with personal attacks, yet you keep doing them. Why is that?

quote:Originally posted by RyzNo one on this forum is an idiot. But, you, on the other hand, are far worse: You're just a selfish jerk. You'll never be a good, respectable businessman and your ignorance will haunt you unless you change.

Selfish? I won't argue. Jerk? Sometimes. Businessman? Who said I wanted to be one? Ignorant? I'm not the one who didn't know what a pyramid was.

quote:Originally posted by RyzBut, I'm through dealing with you, and I will not further respond to your arrogant, immature responses. I know your type; winning a pointless heated argument on forums is like winning a gold medal in the olympics to you. You feel like a hero because you can bash other people. Sorry, but you're not receiving another metal to add to your collection this time, big boy.

Umm...excuse me, but I'm not the one who's heated here.

Look. You haven't figured a thing out here, so let me explain it to you. I hate get-rich-quick schemes. I hate pyramid schemes. The latter are illegal and not allowed here. The former are allowed here, but with certain rules. Constantly, those rules are blatantly disregarded. I am the 'bad cop' and I think people who indulge in such schemes are lazy, irresponsible, and not worth anybody's time.

Adherence to the rules are more important to me than who you are, what you think, or what you feel. (heh, kinda like the Terminator) If I can deter a dozen pyramid posts by giving you a hard time, then I've done my job efficiently and I can go on about reading about the real, proven ways to grow money--which, obviously, you have not read anything past the get-rich-quick schemes, for you would know that I am neither ignorant, nor unintelligent. Also, you would know what my real emotional issues were rather than guessing with blanket statements, for I have mentioned them openly. (Hint: This 'miserable person' sees people as objects. Do you care what an object thinks of you? That negates your first theory, now doesn't it?)

Now quit posturing and doing the very thing your are condemning, acknowledge that you don't know everything, and come here to LEARN and SHARE so we can all PROFIT from it, because, that is MY purpose for being here, to gain knowledge and to share knowledge, not to be 'wanted' or whatever by John Q. Public.

One final thing: When someone calls you something unfavourable, you have a choice. You can react on emotion (which is what you did, and, ironically, accused me of doing) or you can intelligently address the "WTF was that all about?" and be 'the better person' by not losing control while you state your facts.

Now, Put Down That Axe, Eugene, and be cool?

"I have people skills! I deal with the customers so the engineers don't have to! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!?"

"Expect me when you see me."

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:43 pm

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quote:Originally posted by RyzI noticed you replied,

Wow..nuttin' gets past you.

quote:Originally posted by Ryz, so I just wanted you to know that I didn't read your comment(s) and I won't in the future.

You are so full of crap. Did you put your fingers in your ears and go "LA LA LA LA!" when you read my post?

Ouch, my opa once got robbed of 10K. He had a mistrust of banks so he had a ton of cash at home and when he went to see his dad in East Germany someone took his 10K.

He also got roped into a oil well limited partnership. They would sell a well and then say it was a nonperformer and then sell it to someone else.

An uncle of mine got a lawyer and much of that money was returned. Took years and years.

Overall he did well with his investments. Funny you hear more about losses sometimes then the wins.

He sold the same farm three times to developers. Even told them the guy before them couldn't get the developement through. But they all thought they could get it aproved. But when they didn't he would buy his farm back at a fraction of what they paid him for it:)

Probably should have let my opa buy me a farm. But I didn't want to take advantage of him like so many of my realatives.

They really don't work cause they depend on advertising. When the advertising money runs low, they turn to scamming (if not already a scam). And they cause a lot of spam to be posted around the Net. I've only seen one Get Paid to program work, but I won't talk about it here.

Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:55 pm

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Interesting,

Will there ever be a clear definition of a scam so that everyone can get along. LOL

quote:Originally posted by frcisafraudAndrew, Do you have a definition for what you call a pyramid scheme?

I certainly dont want anyone to think I suport schemes, however after a little research I find thier are many different Opinions of what a scheme is. I would argue that Network marketing Operates on the principle of people helping people, yet others would say its just another form of a pyramid. However its no different tha any Bussiness in America in my Educated understanding of how the economy really works. The Owners and , CEOs, and the Banks on Top always get the bulk while us bottom feeders get whats left, LOL. I would also argue that Lotteries are Legalized but have the same effects as Pyramid schemes, But I guess its Ok If The Government or the banks are the founders of a scheme, so long as we the people dont originate and become the benificiaries of one, LOL Principly the arguement is absurd.

I guess I am asking for your definition as this is your site. It could help clarify (or maybe it wouldnt?) to prevent the anoying posts that seem to clutter space and offend people.

-frcisafraud

Interesting,

Yes, in the UK they call just about any plan a scheme, so this is a word which I do not think should be used without offending those from the UK. It has a negative meaning in US, but not elsewhere, so it can be confusing.

I don't know if my definition is correct. Pyramid scheme should be a scamming opportunity that don't have a genuine product to sell.

It also does not have a logical money making system such that those who join early make the most out of the expenses of those below. There is no chance for the downlines to make more money if they put in more afford to market the product.

Pyramid scheme actually targetted on the greed of individual to make lots of money at the shortest possible time. Either the system is scamming the advertising cost of the participating merchants or making enrolling customers in a money passing up game.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you.

Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:50 am

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:12 am

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A lot has been said about Pyramids! If you also look at it`s shape it tells you there is only place for one at the top. The whole Goverment system is a pyramid!!
There are still plenty of good oppotunities out there!!!!!

Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:47 am

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I am doing one of those $5 letters, and making money

this is just for you to see that it is legal !!! my emails are NOT in the letter

SO THIS IS NOT A SPAM, BUT THIS IS THE LETTER I SEND AROUND AND IT DOES MAKE ME MONEY.

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1: Open your free Paypal account, and be sure to open a Premiere Account, as it does not limit you to how much money you can have deposited to your account. Then come back to these instructions.

2: E-mail the $5.00 payment to the FIRST name on the list (#1) along with a "note" in the NOTE AREA of that page, saying "SUBSCRIBE ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Be certain to add this note, as this is what KEEPS THIS
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ALSO NOTE: By sending this letter and the payment via E-MAIL, the response time is much faster... ELECTRONIC TRANSFER INTERNET FAST!

Consider this! Millions of people surf the Internet everyday, all day, all over the world! Here are the 3 people to start with. Sign up, send $5.00 to the first person, move the other two up to 1 & 2 respectively and add your own e-mail address at No. 3. Be sure to use your email address that is associated with your PayPal account.
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# 1 - XXXXXXXXXXXXX
# 2 - XXXXXXXXXXXXX
# 3 - XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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your letter by e-mail, copy this ENTIRE PAGE and paste it in a new message of your E-mail.

TO DO THIS:
1. Go in your toolbar to "edit" and "select all"
2. Go in your toolbar to "edit" and select "copy"
3. Start (compose) a new E-mail message
4. Fill in your Address and Subject Box
5. Go to "edit" and "paste"
6. Delete the top name, adding your name and address to the bottom of the list, then simply changing the numbers. Remember, YOUR NAME goes on the BOTTOM and the other 2 names move up. But DO
NOT forget to send $5.00 via PayPal (along with your note) to the position #1 - TOP E-MAIL address before deleting it!

THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO DO.
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