Bargain hunters find only a few Town shops open

SHOPPERS who went to Town in search of the sales yesterday found most places closed.

Sisters Victoria, 19, left, and Lotte, 17, Parfit were among those to snap up bargains at Next, one of the few Town shops open yesterday. Many others start their sales today. (Picture by Peter Frankland, 1292415)

scivster

bcb

December 27, 2012 5:54 pm

How about you mind your own business? or maybe its you that needs to get a life (whatever that means) if the best you can do is make insulting comments about other people doing what they want while harming no one.

bcb

Neil Forman

Ectopudding

December 27, 2012 6:12 pm

Yes, totally ridiculous. And the scene is London looked like an absolute farce, people pushing and scrambling to get through the doors as if their was a war coming. Smacks of greediness and self self self!

Ed

December 27, 2012 7:38 pm

What's this? The insincere bcb?

I have read what you have said about me, but now the time has arrived to exact vengeance by delivering a critical outburst towards your behaviour on this forum. Those comments became etched in my mind like tattoos and so now will get a taste of your own medicine...

I have done what I wanted to do by linking external topics to those presented on this website and have put forward my personal views pertaining to recycling and the somewhat ignorant nature of those who are unwilling to align their livelihood so that it is compatible with the interests of the anthropogenic epoch- and I didn't harm anybody by doing so. Yet you made insulting remarks by claiming that I was 'arrogant' and, when I commented upon how tragedies such as children getting killed by moving traffic and certain earthquakes arise from injudicious actions, you demanded that I ought to have stopped 'showing off'.

And for your information I will continue to explore the broader environmental, historical and philosophical significance of the topics mentioned on this site, use an extensive vocabulary range and 'carry out my desire to educate people on subjects that are of great interest to me but of little concern for everybody else'. So perhaps it's best that you 'mind your own business' as maybe 'its you that needs to get a life if the best you can do is make insulting comments about other people doing what they want while harming no one'.

soph

Island Wide Voting

December 28, 2012 7:22 am

Tell 'im Ed!

I quite look forward to your posts.Can't claim to fully understand them all of course but I thank you for giving us 'otiose' in 2012

I'm all for a bit of persiflage and if it sometimes appears to go over the top just take it with a pinch of salt.You can either simply ignore it or come out fighting like GM and Spartacus in their never ending ( it really IS never ending)raillery on the public sector pensions thread

Guern

bcb

Yes i think your over use of fancy words and and trying in your words to "educate people" just because it is of interest to you is being arrogant.

My issue with of your posts although having good content is that if anyone so much as drops a crisp packet you go off on one and insult whole groups of people.

I think you will find that any "insults" from me will be made mostly in retaliation and not personal apart from the odd occasion re my earlier post on this subject.

One other thing Ed i dont think there is anything i have said in my posts i would not say in person (infact i have said a lot worse) even if at times some remarks can be viewed as a bit over the top (i will admit to not always being the best at getting my views across) but i would never stand there and start calling refuge collectors and bus drivers "ill bred" and or ignoramuses as you are so fond of doing.

You may not be harming anybody Ed but a word of advice, if you go round calling hard working people the names you do on here then the only person who will be harmed is most likely going to be you young man.

Town Dweller

December 29, 2012 12:38 pm

Ed, most people who comment on this forum are very well educated. But all you seem to want to do is show off by using big words.

Well we all know big words, just different ones to you, so I strongly suggest you get off your high horse and start engaging with other posters instead of preaching and showing off in a very juvenile manner.

Anyway, to engage with other posters this just shows what a complete waste of time Sunday trading will be. Islanders don't want a 24/7, shop-till-you drop culture. Best the States focuses its time on what's important such as the FTP programme.

Spartacus

December 29, 2012 4:56 pm

Town Dweller

I don't want to say too much because Ed is capable of standing up for himself.

What I will say is that I suspect his style and vocabulary come naturally to him rather than being intended to show off. Any offense is, I suspect, unintentional. Certain human traits can result in quirky behaviour, we are all different and have unique ways of expressing ourselves.

I suspect you are more mature than him unless you are also a sixth former and therefore you are in a position to demonstrate good communication, diplomacy and acceptance of the views and communication styles of others.

I have noticed some of the unusual words he uses are popping up more and more frequently by other contributers on this forum which is an indicator that he is influential in his use of big words.

Martino

December 29, 2012 7:31 pm

Absolute nonsense. Ed is like a monkey who has swallowed a thesaurus. He takes 200 words to say what could be said in 100 or 50 words and his tiresome verbiage shows his ignorance of the finer points of the English language, not his knowledge of it. Also, he fails to grasp the subtlety of the meaning of many of the 'big words' he uses. You, Spartacus, may be taken in but those of us who know better than both you and he are not.

Town Dweller

December 29, 2012 9:02 pm

Sparty; With the amount of time you seem to have available to research endless facts and articles to support your arguments on this forum, please give me a few examples of how other posters are using Ed's words of wisdom.

I am very interested to hear how Ed's higher intelligence is being unconsciously absorbed by other posters, as if by osmosis. Or per chance is Ed your issue (big legal word for a kid)?

plp

December 31, 2012 10:31 pm

Sparty

Either he is influential or people are just taking the p*ss....I think it's more likely the latter. Either way this constant arguing / speculating about the mysterious Ed is achieving but two things, massaging his ego and boring me to tears! ;-)

If he's a troll then let him waste his time. If he's genuine good luck to him, but either way leave him be.....and on that note I wish you all a happy new year.

Spartacus

January 1, 2013 6:39 am

Neil Forman

Happy New Year!

I'm surprised you are accusing me of calling you impolite names. I don't recall doing so. Care to give an example? I stand by my comment that if I have offended anyone personally during robust debate I will apologise unreservedly.

I'm not sure whether you feel the term " Rabble Rouser" is offensive or not. You have said it is name calling but you have said you don't mind it. I wasn't the first one to describe you as a rabble rouser, I copied someone else who had described you as this. The term was not intended to be offensive just pointing out that the assertions you were making were getting people all riled up over nothing in my opinion.

I don't agree with Dani's comment that Ed is emulating me, I certainly didn't invent the term "Rabble rouser". There is a regular commenter who calls himself "Rabble rouser" and when Ed has used the term rabble rouser it is with reference to himself.

PLP

pb falla

Ed

December 28, 2012 9:47 am

Soph

That was something that needed doing. I do, however,acknowledge that the Christimas season marks a temporary cessation of hostilities, but one should not suppress their true feelings if it is going to have a large psychological impact upon them, the time of year notwithstanding.

bcb

Scarlett

December 28, 2012 5:23 pm

oooooh, alright then, imo....

on one hand it's lovely, retail therapy's a festive tradition, and entirely an individuals right to spend their hard earned cash as they wish, making valuable savings in the process. Good on 'em, love a bargain myself...

on the other hand, buying stuff you don't necessarily need as it's cheap is a pathetic display of consumer society at it's very worst, and a pointless waste of what is most precious and above price (namely life), and makes me want to chuck.

Feel free to delete as you feel appropriate, chaps, and festive greetings to you both :))) x

bcb

December 29, 2012 1:50 pm

That is a very valid point Scarlett which i have been guilty of at times. The two for one is a classic example as i just end up with two items that i never really wanted although i make a point now of only purchasing things i actually do want.

Rachel

December 30, 2012 10:34 am

Yes i agree. Interesting concept that one- spend to save... Very indicative of our consumerist society. Seems all very brave new world to me and I've been sucked into a few 3 for 2's this christmas... at least these people got up to support the local economy rather than shopping online at 12.01am which is a plus i suppose :/

Ed

December 28, 2012 3:46 pm

Scarlett

If it's my angry spiel then don't be deterred. I was merely putting forward what I believed to be correct- these forums serve the indispensable purpose of enabling the contributors to voice their views whilst being shielded by their anonymity.

scarlett

kat

A.J.

December 29, 2012 11:01 am

Oh there's still plenty money about. The problem is that only 'the few' have it, and they are not the ones likely to be queuing at 3 am to get a bargain,and unlikely to need the use of either Public transport or public Carparks. A happy and healthy new year to all!!

Stiletto

Ed

December 29, 2012 3:41 pm

Town Dweller

I am strong-willed and will never be deterred from doing what I believe to be correct and justified- not even by your claim that my alleged attempt to preach is juvenile in nature. I will still participate in these discussions/debates and there's nothing- I REPEAT NOTHING- wrong with my favoured written style.

Most of what I mention is far from juvenile- I don't swear and I don't make ridiculous statements such as "another Guernsey shambles" etc- I think through most of what I am about to write. The degree to which I have been consumed by ire is something that is difficult to express in words. Most of what I put forward is sound and is worth knowing about and if I did want to voice my personal views, I should be able to do so without unnecessary retaliatory remarks as this is, after all, a liberal society and integral to the continuity of a liberal society is the capacity of its individuals to appreciate and embrace the different articles of faith that exist within it.

Some people, fortunately, respect and even admire what I have to say as they too are able to acknowledge and embrace with open arms the profusion of views they encounter,namely Spartacus and Ray. Can't any person express their views in the manner they wish to apply without fear of persecution? Furthermore, to insinuate that I am,because of my rather idiosyncratic ways such as my atypical writing style and I have the capacity to see the significance/consequence of such subjects with concern to the larger environment, immature is down right ludicrous- Sara Tompson got informed by Spartacus that what she said about me using a broad vocabulary range and, hopefully, you will be told the same...

Anyway, how do you know that I am using large words to show off- do you have ESP? I have read many articles containing rather large, sometimes atypical words and I don't think the writers are showing off; I think that they're using them merely because they are both meaningful and interesting.

Rachel

December 30, 2012 10:17 am

Ed you are entitled to your opinion- is that what you are trying to say? Just please keep in mind that it is just an opinion like everyone else's. Respect goes both ways and try not to put everyone else down, especially those who write on topic using "effective" writing style and provide legitimate sources to support their discussion. Please keep in mind that many of those who respond to your posts are doing so in a very "tongue in cheek" way, but i know that tone can be lost very easily through text, especially if you are very emotional about a topic- as you obviously are.

On topic- it will be interesting to see if anyone is lined up outside Beau Sejour at 3am for Eisteddfod and Dance Festival tickets in a few weeks. People do lots of "crazy" things for fun, for example, going swimming in freezing cold water on boxing day!

Scarlett

January 1, 2013 10:38 am

Jeeeez, all this - about shopping -?!

Seriously, Ed, I'm not going to patronise you with any amateur psychology, just want to suggest you put down the keyboard and get out more, find a subject that actually warrants you getting so steamed up about and spending so much time on, or better still, start a blog, then you can ramble on about anything and everything ad infinitum, and we'll dip in and have a look when we feel strong enough to read some of it.

I learned many years ago that being overly verbose and using long words doesn't make me any more interesting, intellectual or politically correct than the next man. Hopefully this lesson will come to you soon, preferably before you accidentally bore someone to death.

Ed

December 30, 2012 11:06 am

GM, Martino, Town Dweller and bcb

Due to your continued appall at what you regard as a juvenile braggart's attempt to impress, you have acquired the ability to cause what was originally a jovial discussion to escalate into a fierce, unecessary debate as individuals begin to question the sincerity of 'Ed'. Your crusade against my alleged attempt to infest This is Guernsey with rabble rousing rants has done much to polarize the situation on this site as people either ally themselves with me or those wishing to undermine me.

Just like the events prior to the First World War, the situation on these forums has become increasingly volatile as your attempts to undermine a perceived 'hindrance or 'threat' have triggered further endeavours to damage my cause- and it's not a bad cause- yet the only difference is that the 'attack' on this site is not as comprehensively violent as during warfare. I am not insinuating that full-scale conflict will erupt- that's ludicrous- but, if you continue to make remarks that provoke strong emotions/reactions, you may precipitate a verbal confrontation- an unpleasant verbal confrontation- unprecedented in magnitude.

Given that your comments have the ability to cause agitiation, the idea that not me, but one of you is the true agent provocateur is becoming more plausible...

Spartacus

December 30, 2012 5:44 pm

bcb

If you came face to face with a highly intelligent autistic person who might have unusual mannerisms, seem a bit different, over sensitive, lacking humour with unusual language would you lol or would that be inappropriate?

For example, Einstein, Bill Gates, Mozart, Isaac Newton.

You might need to meet Ed half way if you want to interact with him, which seems to be the case.

bcb

December 30, 2012 11:20 pm

Are you saying Ed is a highly intelligent autistic person? if not why even bring it up? is it just because he might be?.

If we take your logic further then anybody can say anything they want and YOU will accept it that they may have a condition which leads them to interact in the manner they do? right? I think in that case you better start with some apologies toward GM and Neil for starters.

Spartacus

December 31, 2012 7:17 am

bcb

He might be. I'm just saying that it can explain verbosity and unusual use of language, like a "little professor". As long as it is not personally offensive I see nothing wrong with communicating in that style.

I'm not chastising you just saying try to see past Ed's unusual style rather than allow it to create a barrier as he has some really interesting things to say imo and has every right to speak freely. Everyone in Guernsey should be encouraged to speak up.

Regarding my interactions with GM, I draw the line at personal abuse everything else is robust debate. When I have overstepped the mark I have apologised.

GM

Spartacus

January 1, 2013 7:00 am

GM

You have repeatedly tried to attack my intelligence which is insulting and therefore personal abuse.

I no longer take this seriously though, I think it is a problem you have. For example yesterday you said I had been fooled because I failed to realise that the States of Guernsey audited accounts are fundamentally flawed. That's not insulting it's ridiculous.

Ed

December 30, 2012 6:12 pm

My cause is to enhance online forums by attempting to create a rich, stimulating and vibrant environment in which to conduct debate by putting forward ideas/facts, suggestions and well as my personal views and beliefs that I believe are worth assessing. Unfortunately, when one centres their responses on misconceptions, a person who endeavours to fulfil what they regard as correct and justified gets interpreted as a madcap rabble rouser who aims to create turmoil by stimulating strong sentiments.

GM

Ed

December 30, 2012 3:47 pm

GM

Okay, so English Literature isn't something you excel at ( no insult intended), but you must have at least some degree of expertise with concern to the economic/political situation as, on the 'Off Target FTP faces rebellion' forum, as you continue to engage yourself in a seemingly perpetual discussion with passion and are intent on manoeuvring yourself into the most advantageous situation with concern to the debate. Therefore, perhaps you and me, as well as the others that eagerly participate in discussions/debate, share some common ground as we zealously devote ourselves to causes that we embrace.

As a result, perhaps mild confrontation erupts because we have similar, passionate personalities but contrasting aims and ideas, which means that, since the discussions remain unchecked, moderate confrontation escalates into online warfare.

Moreover, perhaps our passionate personalities means that, whenever one encounters atypical aspects of the forum such as a contributor's idiosyncratic nature, an unconventional idea/ suggestion etc or an unusual writing style we respond with strong emotions because it is either alien to us or contrary to what we consider correct or typical.

Therefore, I invite you and your associates-and I will do the same- to consider how best to remedy an unfavourable situation.

Ed

December 30, 2012 6:03 pm

I genuinely apologise for that misconception regarding your English Literature expertise, but, with concern to your inability to appreciate the rational nature of what I am saying, I am far from apologetic.

GM

December 31, 2012 12:04 am

Ed

Sorry, but your posts just across as "odd", regardless of the fact that you are young. People just don't speak like that, and I don't think have done so since early Victorian times. I'm not saying its wrong, just "odd".

I can't get this image out of my head of a 15 year old William Hague addressing the Tory Conference in the early 1980s.

Pete Modules

December 30, 2012 4:32 pm

Guys,

I am fast coming to the conclusion that Ed is a wind-up. Nobody, not the well-heeled, not the educated or the financial whizz-kids, not the Oxbridge high-flyers or the mandarins of the Civil Service use terminology like Ed. It is extinct, assuming of course it was ever used by anybody in the first place. I bet he is a frustrated middle-aged guy with a warped sense of humor. Either that or he is not Ed but THE Ed(itor) trying to keep the forum bubbling along. I cannot believe a testosterone fueled teenager would indulge in such tomfoolery for such an extended period of time.

sarnia expat

December 31, 2012 9:54 am

Sparty, you and I both understand what he is saying, and how and why he says it. Possibly because our own experience of such matters allows us insight into alternative and creative thinking. (I am making assumptions here, but think you understand) I think more people should "listen" rather than snipe and their eyes would surely be opened and hearts enriched. Sorry, feel a bit prosaical today.

bcb

Martino

December 31, 2012 12:02 pm

@Pete Modules. I am starting to think along these lines too. He is either a very, very weird teenager or a much more mature WUM who has been leading us all a merry dance. If it is the latter it means the biggest fool of all is his arch defender Spartacus.

Ed

December 30, 2012 5:56 pm

GOOD GOD !

WHY DON'T YOU JUST LISTEN ?!

I am attempting to solve the issues that have arisen, yet the the degree of maturity displayed by you merits you the status of an infant and an Internet rabble rouser ! Your next reply will be that you have been intoxicated by the power of my writing- or something else fatuous.

Pete, I hereby verify that I am indeed a teenager, yet the whether my ideas and manner of expression has been driven by high levels of testosterone in questionable. To regard my posts as 'tomfoolery' is ignorance and narrow-mindedness.

I thought you were all supposed to be erudite adults who had the capacity to appreciate and embrace atypical phenomena ?

Rachel

December 31, 2012 10:23 am

Ed, listen to yourself - remember respect goes BOTH ways. Look through your posts and the number of times you call others "immature", "ignorant", "an infant", "narrowminded" and a range of other put downs. You really come across as being highly aggressive.

Bcb, GM- It is obvious that Ed is not used to the banter and tongue in cheek comments that come with these forums; due to this fact, i think you should just let him be and unless anyone (including Ed) has to say anything "on topic" then let it rest.

Island Wide Voting

Unfortunately the topic has morphed into 'Ed',brought about in no small part by Ed himself

He has posted several times recently defending himself over the use of big words.Those recent posts have in the main contained very few big words and are much easier to read because of it

Ed,it's good that you,as a teenager, want to share your ideas on how to solve the island's and the world's problems and once I have looked up some of your more unusual big words I tend to get your drift, but please understand that some of us out here are old fogies,and others like me treat TIG as a little light hearted hobby,but the majority of us are just ordinary everyday folk who really can't be arsed to spend time trying to work out what your message is, which is a shame because your efforts are being ignored

You've proved in the last few days that you can write in easily understood terms and I reckon that your thoughts and ideas would get a much more favourable response if you continued in that vein

Pop a new big word in occasionally by all means to keep us on our toes but always keep in mind who your AUDIENCE is likely to be on TIG and the interaction you seek will flow from there

Ed

December 31, 2012 2:49 pm

I do agree with your idea that respect must go both ways, but the issue is that these ignoramuses are the one's who initially showed little respect and so for me to respond with retaliatory remarks merely creates satisfaction. A teenager with idiosyncratic traits is conspicuous on an online forum- not just due their age, but also due to their atypical ways- and so attracts persecution.

These online oppressors as adults ought to know much better and by now are due their comeuppance- they themselves must have 'issues' as there attempt to undermine somebody and ridicule them until the whole situation becomes raised to a new, increasingly unfavourable level suggests that they are ignorant and so make fatuous remarks since they lack the ability to embrace other ideas other than those that they can comprehend. Additionally, they may be unhappy themselves and so engage in cyber- bullying because it diverts their discontent and eliminates theirnowh feelings of inferiority or they could be jealous and thus make gibes that reflect their underlying desire to acquire what someone else has.

Anyway, the fact that unique ideas, suggestions and styles fail to get embraced or at least reluctantly accepted is a very disturbing thing given that this is a democracy.

Unfortunately, the fools will use the same banal alibi when justifying their reason to deny what is probably correct- 'my writing is difficult to understand'- for God sake why don't some people confess that what they're doing is incorrect and that they're the cause for concern ! Grow up guys- YES YOU GROW UP- ! No immature replies; just sound reasoning please!

Rachel

December 31, 2012 6:58 pm

Ed- this is not about you, it is about shopping. You assume too much as far as the identity of others on this forum. As far as i can tell you have not spoken, given any ideas, on topic. You came on here, laying into and abusing bcb for no good reason and fyi, on this thread, you instigated, not retaliated. If you want to give some unique ideas on town shopping then go ahead, I'd really like to hear what you have to say, but if all you want to do is talk about how great you are, putting everyone else down and generally trolling then it's all getting a little boring don't you think? My suggestion- call a truce and next time write something meaningful on topic :)

bcb

December 31, 2012 8:31 pm

Ed i have had a read of your post (phew) and come to the conclusion that you are a total hypocrite. You are welcome to attack me and others if you feel insulted i am thick skinned and expect it if i have wronged anybody. But what you fail to see is that YOU have insulted many people who have said nothing towards you and most likely don`t even post or read these forums and you complain and "exact revenge" on those that take you to task with your insults on others and that is why you are a hypocrite.

Unfortunately i see it often with little know it alls like you where people are expected to bow to your superior knowledge and need to be educated by people such as yourself.

Change your attitude Ed because i can see if and when you grow up as being just the kind of person who will only mix with like minded people such as yourself and would not even entertain the "ill bred" "ignoramuses" you often quote because their intellect is in inferior to yours and therefore not worth listening to.

Spartacus

January 1, 2013 8:41 am

Ed

I have stuck up for you and I'm not the only one who appreciates your individuality. I think the comments from Rachel and others are fair. There is some good advice from people here and I hope you manage to make adjustments to the way you communicate in order to avoid offending anyone.

I also hope that if you feel others are attacking you you manage to keep it in perspective and avoid over reacting. That is something I have learnt. A lot of the banter which goes on is not intended to be hurtful but is lighthearted. I think some of what you have deemed to be persecution is actually either banter or defensive reactions to things you have said.

Your observations and analysis of human nature may well be correct but you need to consider whether publishing such thoughts is appropriate or whether it might alienate some of the neurotypicals you are seeking to engage with.

Unique ideas and thoughts are often embraced by people but on this forum people tend to mainly respond to ideas they disagree with in order to challenge and debate them. Many others who agree with ideas and opinions just read them but do not respond.

You might try to bear in mind that when it comes to opinions there is no such thing as right or wrong. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and freedom of speech.

I sincerely hope you will continue to post your erudite opinions and enrich the from with your remarkable vocabulary without any undue stress.

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