Has anyone here signed up to the monthly payment plan for the entire CS6 creative suite? If you use a serial from a previous Adobe package (rumor has it keygen serials also work... ), you get it for £28 a month for a years contract. Has this tempted any Adobe package pirates to convert (now that you don't have to spend £1,500+ on decent packages)?

Also, does anyone know of any good CS6 Premier Pro/After Effects tutorial sites (not necessarily the top Google picks)? Looking to improve my trailer production work.

Not inviting to me at all I prefer to own my stuff, not rent it out like some weird MMO - I totally get why they are doing it though... I just doubt cs6 will have any new tools that I'll even use.

I use cs5 and honestly, I could still be using Photoshop 7.0, and I wouldn't feel held back at all - my cs5 has not crashed once, this is obviously most important to me, I doubt I will ever upgrade unless there is some amazing huge update that I must have, which I just can't see happening tbh.

Well, I already have CS6, but when you're running a business, it's not only 100% deductible as a business expense (therefore reducing tax liability at the end of the company's financial year), but when dealing with external clients, if you somehow get nabbed, or your key stops working due to it somehow being authenticated (happened before), then it's a bit unprofessional. Plus I think professionally produced and sold work is a grey area when created on pirated software I believe (if again, this fact comes to light), as you can be left open to being sued as the work, from what I've read, doesn't belong to you as you didn't have the license to create it on that software in the first place.

Doesn't overly interesting as I'd rather own it. I need to sort out buying Photoshop and Illustrator using my student discount. Both are like...£150 for students. So if I get the latest now then I can carry on using it after I graduate which would be handy. Certainly have no interest in spending £1000's.

Well, I already have CS6, but when you're running a business, it's not only 100% deductible as a business expense (therefore reducing tax liability at the end of the company's financial year), but when dealing with external clients, if you somehow get nabbed, or your key stops working due to it somehow being authenticated (happened before), then it's a bit unprofessional. Plus I think professionally produced and sold work is a grey area when created on pirated software I believe (if again, this fact comes to light), as you can be left open to being sued as the work, from what I've read, doesn't belong to you as you didn't have the license to create it on that software in the first place.

I see where you're coming from but I doubt that's true.

The means to create an image has nothing to do with you automatically owning the copyright to that image if it is original, as far as I know.

If you burrow a friend's hammer to craft a sculpture of wood they don't co-own the copyright for it. Software is a tool, not prior art.

Well, I already have CS6, but when you're running a business, it's not only 100% deductible as a business expense (therefore reducing tax liability at the end of the company's financial year), but when dealing with external clients, if you somehow get nabbed, or your key stops working due to it somehow being authenticated (happened before), then it's a bit unprofessional. Plus I think professionally produced and sold work is a grey area when created on pirated software I believe (if again, this fact comes to light), as you can be left open to being sued as the work, from what I've read, doesn't belong to you as you didn't have the license to create it on that software in the first place.

I see where you're coming from but I doubt that's true.

The means to create an image has nothing to do with you automatically owning the copyright to that image if it is original, as far as I know.

If you burrow a friend's hammer to craft a sculpture of wood they don't co-own the copyright for it. Software is a tool, not prior art.

But to take your analogy, your friend never made you agree to a massive and legal-packed EULA beforehand. With all digital software you do; and I'm almost certain it's buried in there somewhere. It's like creating an idea whilst attending uni and you're in uni at the time. I remember being told all rights to that idea belonged to the university and not you.

Either way, I used a keygen to get the price down to £28 per month from £50, so that saved me a decent amount and I now have a legal license to use CS6 and all the updates too.

Does anyone here know much about getting the student deal? Is it the exact same software as full priced software? Plus, is it really just for one computer? I hate gooseberry fool like that. So you buy this software, your PC dies then you lose the ability to use the software on a new PC.

If any universities do that they're scum. I'm pretty sure that's a myth as well, as I read my student regulations and there's nothing like that. You grant the uni the right to reproduce the work for self promotional purposes for up to 2 years after you graduate (in stuff like prospectuses). They don't own the idea. Actually no one owns an idea unless they hold a patent for it.

Adobe might sue you for your assets or something if you create work with their tools but they can't inherit your copyright of the work. Even if the EULA states that they will.

Legal and moral rights overpower license agreements in most cases. Few EULAs hold up in court because they're not legally enforceable. It's down to what the court decides; EULAs are not the law verbatim.

Basically Adobe might have a claim to damages but how something is created is irrelevant to the copyright to something like an image or Website that can be created in a myriad of other ways. All a Court does in this case is decide in layman's terms (literally) whether or not a work is something like 70% or more derivative of the original. There must be evidence in both cases of the works originality ie an audit trail of the work created or reproduced elsewhere. As software contains no final products, but is a tool to create those, copyright law concerning art can't be applied in this instance.

I think Flash or similar things that run in a proprietary environment might be different. Although the UK doesn't recognise software patents. This is all out of date.

I'd be interested to see an actual case where this was disputed. How would Adobe prove that you actually used their product?

I'm fairly convinced that most licence agreements are full of gooseberry fool concerning things like this.

Green Gecko wrote:If any universities do that they're scum. I'm pretty sure that's a myth as well, as I read my student regulations and there's nothing like that. You grant the uni the right to reproduce the work for self promotional purposes for up to 2 years after you graduate (in stuff like prospectuses). They don't own the idea. Actually no one owns an idea unless they hold a patent for it.

Adobe might sue you for your assets or something if you create work with their tools but they can't inherit your copyright of the work. Even if the EULA states that they will.

Legal and moral rights overpower license agreements in most cases. Few EULAs hold up in court because they're not legally enforceable. It's down to what the court decides; EULAs are not the law verbatim.

Basically Adobe might have a claim to damages but how something is created is irrelevant to the copyright to something like an image or Website that can be created in a myriad of other ways. All a Court does in this case is decide in layman's terms (literally) whether or not a work is something like 70% or more derivative of the original. There must be evidence in both cases of the works originality ie an audit trail of the work created or reproduced elsewhere. As software contains no final products, but is a tool to create those, copyright law concerning art can't be applied in this instance.

I think Flash or similar things that run in a proprietary environment might be different. Although the UK doesn't recognise software patents. This is all out of date.

I'd be interested to see an actual case where this was disputed. How would Adobe prove that you actually used their product?

I'm fairly convinced that most licence agreements are full of gooseberry fool concerning things like this.

Well, it's £28 a month and it's classed as 100% company expenses (including a 20% saving on the tax man for my year end earnings). It also means I don't have to consider any of the above, it's all now above board. I'm a professional, might as well start acting like it

SandyCoin wrote:Does anyone here know much about getting the student deal? Is it the exact same software as full priced software? Plus, is it really just for one computer? I hate gooseberry fool like that. So you buy this software, your PC dies then you lose the ability to use the software on a new PC.

I have the student license for Creative Suite CS5, it is exactly the same as the retail license except that you cant transfer the license to someone else(for example, if you wanted to sell it) and you can only install it on your personal computers(so not one at your place of work) but you can still produce commercial work with it.

You can have it activated on up to 2 computers at once, as long as you are not using the program simultaneously on both computers. If you want to move it to another computer you can just deactivate it and then reactivate it on the new one.

You can web chat with Adobe customer service on their site if you have any more questions. They're very helpful.

Locking you in a 12 month contract goes some way to defeating the object for me of this pricing strategy. Usefulness will be limited to those who want to pay £336 for a year, if its proving its worth you would likely then buy it out right. Its a lower risk strategy.

Had a look at the subscription for Students. Looks like around £15 a month. Not sure the updates are every overly useful to me though so not sure whether to just get Adobe and Illustrator at the base student price whilst they still exist. Not sure I really see the need to spending £400 or whatever a year. Sure I will get other software, but I only ever use PS and Ai. InDesign very rarely. I assume if I end up in a studio for work then I will be using their machines anyway. Hmmm. Need to decide soon though. Hopefully I can get the student rate before I finish uni anyway.

Quite annoying having the Cloud subscription. It really is a waste for a lot of people.

For an indefinite license that's still a good option, if you are confident nothing will crop up to boost your productivity. When you are earning, if something saves you even half an hour that either nets you more for your time or alleviates time pressure on other tasks. For example, for me Fireworks CS6 generates CSS classes for complex effects in a mockup. I could write or edit the same code but that takes seconds and I get the exact result I've already signed off. I wouldn't pay hundreds of quid to buy a new version for that feature, but my boss will think I've done 5x the work.

It's not a waste if the upfront cost is enormous. Maybe the student prices are a better deal, I haven't checked, but you can't sell those on legitimately anyway.

If you use one or two apps exclusively then I can see why that might be awkward, but there are some immense apps in the package for the money that give you the opportunity to handle other workflows and develop transferable skills between applications. Obviously Adobe want to coerce people onto more of the suite and without the huge upfront cost that becomes doable for many people, by actually earning money doing digital arts or a reasonable level of student finance. I'd wager that the payoff is the person becomes more palatable to studio employment if they are familiar with a range of the suite, even if it's just Acrobat or some basic motion graphics in AE. Or even an abortion of a Website in Muse.

I've got a personal subscription through work (as only 2 of us are using it) but I work in between loads of stuff doing interactive design / web development so it's really useful for us not to have to outlay thousands of pounds.

The updates are really frequent and there are some cool new tools that are changing what work I might be able to do for the company.

Green Gecko wrote:For an indefinite license that's still a good option, if you are confident nothing will crop up to boost your productivity. When you are earning, if something saves you even half an hour that either nets you more for your time or alleviates time pressure on other tasks. For example, for me Fireworks CS6 generates CSS classes for complex effects in a mockup. I could write or edit the same code but that takes seconds and I get the exact result I've already signed off. I wouldn't pay hundreds of quid to buy a new version for that feature, but my boss will think I've done 5x the work.

It's not a waste if the upfront cost is enormous. Maybe the student prices are a better deal, I haven't checked, but you can't sell those on legitimately anyway.

If you use one or two apps exclusively then I can see why that might be awkward, but there are some immense apps in the package for the money that give you the opportunity to handle other workflows and develop transferable skills between applications. Obviously Adobe want to coerce people onto more of the suite and without the huge upfront cost that becomes doable for many people, by actually earning money doing digital arts or a reasonable level of student finance. I'd wager that the payoff is the person becomes more palatable to studio employment if they are familiar with a range of the suite, even if it's just Acrobat or some basic motion graphics in AE. Or even an abortion of a Website in Muse.

I've got a personal subscription through work (as only 2 of us are using it) but I work in between loads of stuff doing interactive design / web development so it's really useful for us not to have to outlay thousands of pounds.

The updates are really frequent and there are some cool new tools that are changing what work I might be able to do for the company.

Interesting. Cheers for that btw. If I was a graphic designer then I doubt I'd even have to think about it, but as an Illustrator I am using a lot less tools. I probably use about 4% of what stuff like Photoshop can do It does what I need it to though. I'm mostly hand drawn adding stuff in, or with Ai doing vector images. Ugh, need to think about this a lot. The point about being familiar with all the software is good, as having access to InDesign would certainly be very useful. I've only used that a few times, as before teachers used to love Quark.

Had to make my PDF portfolio in Ai yesterday as I don't have ID. It worked fine, but I'm sure it would have been even easier in ID.