grumpfuff:This makes me laugh. I've been to quite a few shows where security caught me with a joint, and their attitude was basically "Why the fark should I care about a joint?"

I was at a place called The Joint (at the Hard Rock in Vegas) and lit a cigarette (you were allowed to smoke cigarettes back then) and as soon as I lit it security was in my face. I just told him "It's a cigarette!" What is the world coming to if you can't even smoke a joint in a place called The Joint though?

Oh, drug sniffing dogs at the entrance - I see. Have fun kids!

I had a similar experience at The Fillmore in Denver, but that time I really was smoking a joint. They just made me drop it. Bastards!

to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

gfid:grumpfuff: This makes me laugh. I've been to quite a few shows where security caught me with a joint, and their attitude was basically "Why the fark should I care about a joint?"

I was at a place called The Joint (at the Hard Rock in Vegas) and lit a cigarette (you were allowed to smoke cigarettes back then) and as soon as I lit it security was in my face. I just told him "It's a cigarette!" What is the world coming to if you can't even smoke a joint in a place called The Joint though?

Oh, drug sniffing dogs at the entrance - I see. Have fun kids!

I had a similar experience at The Fillmore in Denver, but that time I really was smoking a joint. They just made me drop it. Bastards!

Oh, I don't deny that other people have had worse experiences. I was just pointing out that I haven't had anything bad. Admittedly, I live in NJ, and things tend to be pretty libby lib lib around here(especially where I live). And I should elaborate. I've had worse than a guard telling me "Why would I care?" A few times, I've been told "Wait, you brought joints, and you're not sharing with people around you? Don't be so greedy, asshole."(and this was at what is now the Izod Center in NJ, not exactly a minor place) To a certain extent, I learned more about concert culture from the guards than I did from the actual concerts.

Might be worth it. I don't 'party' anymore but have gotten shiatty pills more than once (from strangers at after hours clubs obviously. Safety third)

Last time we were so whacked, in a very bad way, that I went to my very unreliable supplier and asked what was in it.

'I don't know... Meth?'

Never again.

/years ago now, just booze in high quantities these days.

well, be fair, you can get KILLER weed these days .....

ThreeFootSmurf:to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

ThreeFootSmurf:to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

Ecstasy is MDMA that is basically mixed with whatever, meth is a popular choice. You're thinking of candy flipping.

ThreeFootSmurf:to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

LOL.

Molly is *any powder someone feels like selling you*Ecstasy is *any ingredients someone think they can sell you in a pill*

We went to a stone temple pilots concert at red rocks a few years ago. It was a really surreal experience having people walk around the parking lot selling drugs out of trays; almost as casually as vendors selling hot dogs. Some serious sketch people were selling too. No way in hell would I trust some scumbag selling "weed" or "shrooms" there.

Gothnet:ThreeFootSmurf: to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

LOL.

Molly is *any powder someone feels like selling you*Ecstasy is *any ingredients someone think they can sell you in a pill*

TEST YOUR DRUGS PEOPLE. THIS IS WHY FOLKS DIE.

Come on. I've known people who were fed shiatty pills and had a mediocre or more twacked out experience than they wanted, but they were able to manage it. Why? Because professional partyers know how to party. Assuming you don't kill yourself in the first year or so, you eventually learn several important rules for successful, sustainable festival behavior:

1. Drink more water2. Drink less booze than you feel like drinking2. Don't eat what you don't know3. If you do, stay cool4. Remember easy foods (fruits, nuts, protein drinks)5. Bring something to entertain yourself in case your trip starts to turn inward6. Drink more water7. Better have another drink of water just in case8. Know when it's time to put the body down and prepare for another day of madness

Knowing this stuff matters, but what's almost more important is lifestyle choices: eating right and exercising when you're *not* at a festival dramatically improves the likelihood that you survive for the duration instead of passed out between two stranger's cars like the dude I saw at Sasquatch this year - or walking out of a porta-potty with your pants around your ankles and your muffin top jiggling, screaming, "fark YEAH I'M WASTED!" to your girlfriends, which I also saw. Those people did not make good choices in the festival, and I'm guessing they don't make good choices outside of the festival. I'm not saying only stupid people die from drug use...... but. I'm saying. Don't be stupid, and you won't die from drug use.

Might be worth it. I don't 'party' anymore but have gotten shiatty pills more than once (from strangers at after hours clubs obviously. Safety third)

Last time we were so whacked, in a very bad way, that I went to my very unreliable supplier and asked what was in it.

'I don't know... Meth?'

Never again.

/years ago now, just booze in high quantities these days.

At Primavera Sound a few weeks ago I met a nice couple from California while we were waiting for the band to come on. Then their Romanian friend shows up and rolls a joint and starts smoking it. We all smoke and then he says to me, "Want some water?" I tell him no thanks. It turns out he'd been going around offering chicks molly and telling them it was water. When I told him ths wasn't cool he said, "At least they'll have a good time."

Gothnet:ThreeFootSmurf: to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

LOL.

Molly is *any powder someone feels like selling you*Ecstasy is *any ingredients someone think they can sell you in a pill*

As I zoomed down I-24 yesterday afternoon, the police presence was gearing up for the end of Bonnaroo traffic complete with large tents set up for processing. Imagine that. You stick around in the heat for four days with a bunch of fratboys and hippies and your only reward is Avett Brothers and a night in the Spittle County lockup. I'm not sure which is worse.

TheJoe03:ThreeFootSmurf: to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

Ecstasy is MDMA that is basically mixed with whatever, meth is a popular choice. You're thinking of candy flipping.

<sigh>

No, Molly is MDMA. Ecstasy is MDMA. It's just two different street names for the same thing.

And if you try to buy either Molly or Ecstasy from some idiot selling pills, you're likely to get something else entirely, or MDMA mixed with something. Make friends with a chemist if you want MDMA, it's the only way to be sure you're getting the substance you want.

A good general rule to follow is: Is it more expensive than meth? If so, the crap you find on the street probably has meth in it. Exception: Blotter acid is pretty safe. You'll either get LSD on the paper, or just paper. There's not many other substances that have active levels in micrograms.

/I've never done MDMA, and probably never will.//I was a bartender once upon a time, and those raver idiots demanding water and never tipping made me hate that drug.

DarkVader:TheJoe03: ThreeFootSmurf: to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

Ecstasy is MDMA that is basically mixed with whatever, meth is a popular choice. You're thinking of candy flipping.

<sigh>

No, Molly is MDMA. Ecstasy is MDMA. It's just two different street names for the same thing.

And if you try to buy either Molly or Ecstasy from some idiot selling pills, you're likely to get something else entirely, or MDMA mixed with something. Make friends with a chemist if you want MDMA, it's the only way to be sure you're getting the substance you want.

A good general rule to follow is: Is it more expensive than meth? If so, the crap you find on the street probably has meth in it. Exception: Blotter acid is pretty safe. You'll either get LSD on the paper, or just paper. There's not many other substances that have active levels in micrograms.

/I've never done MDMA, and probably never will.//I was a bartender once upon a time, and those raver idiots demanding water and never tipping made me hate that drug.

Molly is pure MDMA sold in a powder form and usually measured into gel caps for correct dosing. Ecstasy is MDMA mixed with other substances and sold in pill form. Favorite cutting agents for ecstasy include caffeine, meth, coke, MDA, and the usual fillers like calcium tartrate. In short, Molly is pure MDMA and nothing else but the gelatin in the capsule. Ecstasy is MDMA that has been mixed with something else to drop the price of the pill manufacture or attempt to create a different experience in the user.

/I've done MDMA many times and just recently in a legal study for MAPS using MDMA to treat PTSD sanctioned by the FDA and DEA.

//Those people slamming water were idiots. Water intoxication or dilutional hyponatremia is more dangerous than hyperthermia. I had some BANGING MDMA with my study, and all I drank the entire time was a 32 ounce bottle of gatorade.

grumpfuff:This makes me laugh. I've been to quite a few shows where security caught me with a joint, and their attitude was basically "Why the fark should I care about a joint?"

Also, they're gonna try to keep drugs out of Bonnaroo?

lol

One wrongful death or negligence lawsuit and the party is over. Electric Zoo was sued because it did give refunds after 2 deaths last year. Wait until a family sues for wrongful death. The concert promoters won't be able to afford the insurance for their events.

hotter than the ads:Gothnet: ThreeFootSmurf: to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

LOL.

Molly is *any powder someone feels like selling you*Ecstasy is *any ingredients someone think they can sell you in a pill*

TEST YOUR DRUGS PEOPLE. THIS IS WHY FOLKS DIE.

Come on. I've known people who were fed shiatty pills and had a mediocre or more twacked out experience than they wanted, but they were able to manage it. Why? Because professional partyers know how to party. Assuming you don't kill yourself in the first year or so, you eventually learn several important rules for successful, sustainable festival behavior:

1. Drink more water2. Drink less booze than you feel like drinking2. Don't eat what you don't know3. If you do, stay cool4. Remember easy foods (fruits, nuts, protein drinks)5. Bring something to entertain yourself in case your trip starts to turn inward6. Drink more water7. Better have another drink of water just in case8. Know when it's time to put the body down and prepare for another day of madness

Knowing this stuff matters, but what's almost more important is lifestyle choices: eating right and exercising when you're *not* at a festival dramatically improves the likelihood that you survive for the duration instead of passed out between two stranger's cars like the dude I saw at Sasquatch this year - or walking out of a porta-potty with your pants around your ankles and your muffin top jiggling, screaming, "fark YEAH I'M WASTED!" to your girlfriends, which I also saw. Those people did not make good choices in the festival, and I'm guessing they don't make good choices outside of the festival. ...

Good thing I'm too old for that shiat. It sounds like a colossal pain in the ass.

Might be worth it. I don't 'party' anymore but have gotten shiatty pills more than once (from strangers at after hours clubs obviously. Safety third)

Last time we were so whacked, in a very bad way, that I went to my very unreliable supplier and asked what was in it.

'I don't know... Meth?'

Never again.

/years ago now, just booze in high quantities these days.

well, be fair, you can get KILLER weed these days .....

ThreeFootSmurf: to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

Might be worth it. I don't 'party' anymore but have gotten shiatty pills more than once (from strangers at after hours clubs obviously. Safety third)

Last time we were so whacked, in a very bad way, that I went to my very unreliable supplier and asked what was in it.

'I don't know... Meth?'

Never again.

/years ago now, just booze in high quantities these days.

At Primavera Sound a few weeks ago I met a nice couple from California while we were waiting for the band to come on. Then their Romanian friend shows up and rolls a joint and starts smoking it. We all smoke and then he says to me, "Want some water?" I tell him no thanks. It turns out he'd been going around offering chicks molly and telling them it was water. When I told him ths wasn't cool he said, "At least they'll have a good time."

ThreeFootSmurf:to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

Dreyelle:ThreeFootSmurf: to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

But the tests are SO convenient!!

I'm a volunteer for Dancesafe. It's pretty easy to do if you know what you are looking to get. One eye dropper of the reagent and a tiny little porcelain dish, easy to get in a place that sells nice doll houses. So yeah, it's convenient.

Might be worth it. I don't 'party' anymore but have gotten shiatty pills more than once (from strangers at after hours clubs obviously. Safety third)

Last time we were so whacked, in a very bad way, that I went to my very unreliable supplier and asked what was in it.

'I don't know... Meth?'

Never again.

/years ago now, just booze in high quantities these days.

At Primavera Sound a few weeks ago I met a nice couple from California while we were waiting for the band to come on. Then their Romanian friend shows up and rolls a joint and starts smoking it. We all smoke and then he says to me, "Want some water?" I tell him no thanks. It turns out he'd been going around offering chicks molly and telling them it was water. When I told him ths wasn't cool he said, "At least they'll have a good time."

Might be worth it. I don't 'party' anymore but have gotten shiatty pills more than once (from strangers at after hours clubs obviously. Safety third)

Last time we were so whacked, in a very bad way, that I went to my very unreliable supplier and asked what was in it.

'I don't know... Meth?'

Never again.

/years ago now, just booze in high quantities these days.

At Primavera Sound a few weeks ago I met a nice couple from California while we were waiting for the band to come on. Then their Romanian friend shows up and rolls a joint and starts smoking it. We all smoke and then he says to me, "Want some water?" I tell him no thanks. It turns out he'd been going around offering chicks molly and telling them it was water. When I told him ths wasn't cool he said, "At least they'll have a good time."

Freaked me out.

I'm guessing that the water had MDMA mixed into it?

Never accept a drink from strangers. Always watch your drink. If you get separated from your drink, dump it and buy another.

Might be worth it. I don't 'party' anymore but have gotten shiatty pills more than once (from strangers at after hours clubs obviously. Safety third)

Last time we were so whacked, in a very bad way, that I went to my very unreliable supplier and asked what was in it.

'I don't know... Meth?'

Never again.

/years ago now, just booze in high quantities these days.

At Primavera Sound a few weeks ago I met a nice couple from California while we were waiting for the band to come on. Then their Romanian friend shows up and rolls a joint and starts smoking it. We all smoke and then he says to me, "Want some water?" I tell him no thanks. It turns out he'd been going around offering chicks molly and telling them it was water. When I told him ths wasn't cool he said, "At least they'll have a good time."

Freaked me out.

That is seriously not good.

Yeah, it's sad that you always have a few pervy sleazebags looking to take advantage of the naive folks.

DarkVader:TheJoe03: ThreeFootSmurf: to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

Ecstasy is MDMA that is basically mixed with whatever, meth is a popular choice. You're thinking of candy flipping.

<sigh>

No, Molly is MDMA. Ecstasy is MDMA. It's just two different street names for the same thing.

And if you try to buy either Molly or Ecstasy from some idiot selling pills, you're likely to get something else entirely, or MDMA mixed with something. Make friends with a chemist if you want MDMA, it's the only way to be sure you're getting the substance you want.

A good general rule to follow is: Is it more expensive than meth? If so, the crap you find on the street probably has meth in it. Exception: Blotter acid is pretty safe. You'll either get LSD on the paper, or just paper. There's not many other substances that have active levels in micrograms.

/I've never done MDMA, and probably never will.//I was a bartender once upon a time, and those raver idiots demanding water and never tipping made me hate that drug.

So someone with no experience with the drug or the culture around the drug is trying to tell me what is what? Someone else already schooled you on the terminology, it's pretty well known.

TheJoe03:ThreeFootSmurf: to bad these articles get wrong what the drug is every time. Molly is just MDMA, Ecstacy is MDMA and LSD mix, the crap you seem to find at these fests that people are dying on is exactly that CRAP. its really not worth messing with if you have to carry a kit around just to test if it is real or some synthetic chem. of course same thing is happening with L being replaced by 2CI and 2CB. all of it absolute crap

Ecstasy is MDMA that is basically mixed with whatever, meth is a popular choice. You're thinking of candy flipping.

you're right, thats what i was thinking of. man its been so long since i even seen any and been around it i almost forgot. but hey the rest still stand that it is basically either research chem crap. and Ishkur-troll what the hell are you on? bath salts? so lets analyze what i said and what was wrong with it.. Molly is just MDMA, if its real. ding got that one correct. X = MDMA and Lsd half wrong half right x= MDMA+other. L being replaced by 2CI (that is two see eye) and 2CB. this one i seen a bunch just last summer so another ding for me and what i seen of it both those research chems are crap. Heck out in the woods we turned a chemist trench of some idiots making it themselves in the woods into a slit crapper. was really well dug to :) like i said not worth the effort of finding anything real anymore, better to just stick with dank green and if you wanna see things go pick some fresh liberty caps from cow crap (bring a mushroom guide)

It's easier just to say Molly is Ecstasy. The new generation is just rebranding the same class of drugs thinking it's something new, for whatever reason. It's really annoying. They do the same thing with music genres.

Ecstasy refers to the class of designer drugs in the methyl group called empathogens. There's a lot of them but the most famous ones are MDMA (3,4-MethyleneDioxyMethAmphetamine), MDA (3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine), MDBD (3,4-methylenedioxyphenylbutane) and MDEA (3,4-methylenedioxy-N-ethylamphetamine). They all have relatively similar effects with subtle differences -- some are more energetic while others are more euphoric. If you don't have a lot of experience with these drugs, then you're not going to be able to tell the difference.

The most famous one, and the one everyone claims to love the most is MDMA. It's the most sensual/social -- people LOVE to talk on it. It is not, however, the most preferred at raves -- that would be MDA which gives more of a body rush -- good for dancing. In the 90s, it was typical for partykids to take MDMA for the lovey-dovey and chase it with crystal meth for the dancing.

Somehow over the past decade the term "Molly" emerged, most likely from the gay scene because gay kids always have feminine names for drugs (meth they call Tina... as in Crystina), but it is applied from a position of almost complete ignorance. Molly is supposedly intended to refer to MDMA in a powder form exclusively (as opposed to a press tab) but there's no indication that's what you're getting so it's a useless claim to make. Press tabs are no more pure or carry no greater degree of certainty than gelcaps or powder. You're still at the mercy of the supplier as to what you're getting. Anything can be capped and/or pressed and stamped, from the 2C family of psychedelics to any amphetamine. It's all marketing and it means absolutely nothing in an unregulated market.

So when people claim they're getting, or taking, or they're on "Molly", they usually don't know what they're talking about. The most common form of ecstasy is MDA -- it's the cheapest and easiest to synthesize so it's the easiest to get, which is fine because it's normally the one everyone prefers at parties anyway. MDMA just makes you want to sit around and have intimate conversations all night.

Whenever there's an outbreak of ecstasy deaths, it's usually attributed to Para-Methoxyamphetamine or PMA, which is frequently sold as e. It is an amphetamine but behaves nothing like the ecstasy group, and its odd effects (like a combo between a psychedelic and an anti-depressant) compels kids to take more when it doesn't work properly, and they overdose and die. PMA is nasty stuff.