POSTS MADE TO THIS FORUM ARE THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AUTHOR AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH
FOR OFFICIAL PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH STATEMENTS AND ANALYSIS, PLEASE VISIT PILOTSFOR911TRUTH.ORG

"Members of the Commission, we have developed initial findings on how the individualswho carried out the 9/11 attacks entered the United States. We have also developedinitial findings on terrorists who failed in their efforts to enter the United States. Thesefindings lead us to some tentative judgments on the way the United States targets thetravel of international terrorists.This staff statement represents the collective effort of several members of our staff.Susan Ginsburg, Thomas Eldridge, and Janice Kephart-Roberts did most of theinvestigative work reflected in this statement.The Commission was able to build upon a large and strong body of work carried out bymany talented public servants at the Department of State, the Central IntelligenceAgency, the former Immigration and Naturalization Service, the Department ofHomeland Security, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The American peopleshould be proud of the many extraordinary professionals now serving them. To theextent we have criticisms, they are comments less on the talent available and more onhow that talent was used."

UQ Wire: 911 Hijackers Who Lived At A US Navy BaseA Saudi Flying Instructor Who Died Mysteriously On May 8 Had The Same Name as Two 9/11 Hijackers Who Lived At The Same U.S. Naval Air Base911 Hijacker - Saeed Alghamdi

Amid reports in the days after the September 11 attacks that two of the hijackers, Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi received flight training at Florida's Pensacola Naval Air Station, a new dot has been connected which may shed more light on past revelations that 9/11 terrorists learned to fly at secure United States military bases.

Royal Saudi Air Force Major Ambarak S. Alghamdi had continued to remain in his position as a Pensacola Naval Air Station flight instructor after the 9/11 attacks, notwithstanding his Saudi Government ties - and that most of the terrorists were Saudis.

911 Hijacker - Ahmed Alghamdi

No reports are forthcoming, however, about whether Government investigators or victim family attorneys have yet sought information and biographical reports or files from the State Department or Saudi Arabian government as to whether the Saudi flight instructor was related to three FBI-named United and American Airlines hijackers who had the same Alghamdi surname.

An FBI press release (9-27-2001) listed the third Alghamdi - Hamza - as yet another hijacker who was on the same United Airlines 175 jet as Ahmed Alghamdi, both of whom crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center with doomed Americans.

Strangely, however, Saudi Major Ambarak Alghamdi is now dead - victim of a mysterious, unexplained, and largely uncommented-upon plane crash on May 8 in clear weather. Two other victims of the accident were from the Raytheon Corporation, which now owns technology via its E-Systems division that is capable of, "disrupting or taking down airplanes....with advanced guiding systems," according to patented technology invented by Texas physicist Bernard J. Eastlund.

The specialized Raytheon technology is so secret, that according to reports, even the House and Senate are not being told how appropriations in the billions are being spent on its so-called 'black' projects - primarily developed for its main employer, the CIA.

According to a Pensacola News-Journal report, Florida Senator Bob Graham, Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee investigating the September 11 attacks, was briefed on September 16 regarding the latest intelligence information, but there was no mention of suspected hijackers having been enrolled as pilot trainees in Pensacola, said his spokesman, Paul Anderson. (9-17-2001) Graham has remained silent on the subject.

According to Pentagon and local military officials, "[foreign] students are instructed in everything from warfare specialty training to air navigation meteorology and land/water survival," while refusing comment on the media reports of September 16.

Pentagon officials referred calls on the subject to the FBI, which also refused comment, said the News-Journal.

This, at a time when Congress is soon to vote on the fall Appropriations bills which will essentially reward widely acknowledged national security failures at the Department of Defense (DOD), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) with billions of dollars in taxpayer resources -- without one public 9/11 hearing seeking either truth or accountability.

************ THE FRIENDLY SKIES?

Photo By Kim D. Johnson, AP911 widow Ellen Mariani, left, and friend four days after her husband's death in the World Trade Center disaster.

The Alghamdi revelations could fuel speculation that Mariani's attorneys, Mary Schiavo and John Greaves, will seek to subpoena INS records detailing the Alghamdi hijackers' entrance into the United States, visa status, INS interview reports, and DOD and Naval flight instruction logs, files, and pilot interviews - and possibly Saudi Government records on the terrorists who hijacked two United jets.

Such information would reveal and verify how or whether Saudi flight instructor Ambarak Alghamdi was instrumental in facilitating either the Alghamdi terrorists' military flight training, or their ability to surreptitiously use the naval air base as a domicile of record in order to move freely throughout the U.S. prior to hijacking United Airlines 175 and 93.

INS and DOD documents of this nature would not seem on the surface to pose national security problems, thus victim family acquisition of the files would likely not be blocked, ultimately, by the courts.

************ LIVING IN AMERICA

United States Navy Base - Pensacola, FloridaDomicile Of Two 911 Hijackers & Three Pilots Named Alghamdi

Military records show that hijackers Saeed and Ahmed Alghamdi listed their address on driver licenses and car registrations as 10 Radford Blvd., a base roadway where residences for foreign-military flight trainees are located, according to Newsweek (9-15-2001). Saeed Alghamdi listed the Radford address to register a 1998 Oldsmobile, and then used it again to register a late model Buick. Driver licenses thought to have been issued to [Ahmed Alghamdi] in 1996 and 1998 also list the Radford residence, added Newsweek.

Newsweek then visited the Pensacola base, "where military police confirmed the address housed foreign military flight trainees, but denied access past front barricades. Officials at the base confirmed that the FBI is investigating the three students."

On September 17, Florida Senator Bill Nelson, "asked the Pentagon to confirm or refute reports that two of the terrorists were listed at a housing facility for foreign military officers at a Pensacola Florida Air Base," according to the Washington Post (9-22-2001).

The direct links connecting the two hijackers to United Airlines could lead victim family lawyers to seek additional documents and files detailing Pentagon and INS procedures, interviews and reports about the two Alghamdis - one on United 175 and one on United 93 - given that the documents would also not likely present national security violations.

On September 21, the Washington Post added that Senator Nelson, "was informed that the FBI could neither say 'yes' or 'no,' " because the bureau was still, "investigating any connection to the military facility," according to Nelson's press spokesman, Dan McLaughlin.

However, investigative journalist Daniel Hopsicker also called Nelson's office, adding that the Florida Senator had still not received a reply as of October 30, 2001: "In the wake of those reports we asked about the Pensacola Naval Air Station but we never got a definitive answer from the [Ashcroft] Justice Department," said a spokesman for Senator Nelson. (Online Journal, 10-30-2001)

Hopsicker, leading the way regarding 9/11-linked reporting from Florida, added that Nelson's spokeman said, "So we asked the FBI for an answer 'if and when' they could provide us one. Their response to date has been that they are trying to sort through something complicated and difficult."

A Scoop call yesterday to Senator Nelson's office seeking an update on the matter revealed that Nelson finally received a DOJ letter from Attorney General John Ashcroft, who asserted that Pensacola Naval Air Station did not train hijackers, according to Nelson's press spokesperson Gretchen Hitchner.

However, Ashcroft offered no explanation as to how Saudi terrorists could have gained access to and been able to live at the Pensacola, Florida military base as their driver licenses and car registrations indicated, according to news reports - flight training or not.

And Ashcroft's letter to Nelson never mentioned that the two terrorists had Pensacola Air Station addresses - let alone that a now-mysteriously deceased, Pensacola naval flight instructor from the Royal Saudi Air Force had the same name and also lived and worked at the U.S. naval air base.

A review of at least eight news reports revealed that Major Ambarak S. Alghamdi, 32, from Albaha, Saudi Arabia, died mysteriously on a "routine training mission." According to the Pensacola News-Journal (5-10-2002), Coast Guard Petty Officer Chad Saylor described the search conditions as, "optimal," with the air and water temperatures at 80 degrees with 3-foot seas and excellent visibility.

The two planes involved were T-39 Sabreliners, based out of Pensacola Naval Air Station (NAS), which suddenly disappeared from radar, 40 miles at sea south of Pensacola Beach. Moreover, CNN correspondent Barbara Starr reported that, "the Navy has not commented on what details the crew of the third plane [involved in the mission] might have provided." (5-9-2002)

And there were no public interviews of the crew from the third plane which searched for signs of life immediately after the crash. But a Navy official, "acknowledged the assumption that the downed planes somehow collided," according to Starr.

Both planes disappeared at the same time and neither sounded a mayday; moreover, there were no reports available regarding radio contacts among the three planes immediately prior to the two planes going down.

Harry White, spokesman for Pensacola NAS, declined to say whether investigators believe they collided. A week later - with more information - White said he still could not confirm whether the planes collided, according to the Associated Press. (5-16-2002)

More curiously, however, Training Squadron 86 - to which the downed planes were assigned - had just celebrated more that 330,000 accident-free flight hours over 25 years, and has previously been awarded several honors for its safety record, according to the Squadron Web site.

Daniel Else, 50, a retired Navy lieutenant commander who trained in the T-39 Sabreliner in 1975 said that, "normally though, the planes do not come into close contact;" adding that, "those exercises are usually conducted at comfortable cruising speeds at an altitude between 10-15,000 feet, which could explain the six-mile separation of the debris fields."(Pensacola News-Journal, 5-10-2002)

Two of the seven dead Pensacola crew members were civilian instructors who were former Vietnam-era military pilots working for Raytheon Aerospace Corporation, but employed as contractors for Pensacola Naval Air Station, according to the News-Journal. The two deceased former military pilots employed by Raytheon were Marshall "Fritz" Herr and Homer "Gray" Hutchinson III.

According to its web-site, Raytheon supplies Air Traffic Control systems to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) but also to foreign governments, and is active in the fields of global positioning systems, infrared/electro-optics, and Monolithic Microwave Integrated Circuits.

It is also a provider of tactical communications and military radios, specialized aircraft modification services, and airborne countermeasures systems - also to a wide variety of customers worldwide. Moreover, Raytheon provides special mission aircraft, target drones, and aircraft training systems to the military services, among multiple other military products far too numerous to mention.

However, its most controversial product is the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP). The technology, a key component of Raytheon's E-Systems division,is described in its original patent (number 4,686,605) originally owned by ARCO Power Technologies but sold to E-Systems - now owned by Raytheon.

Briefly, HAARP - and its related but far more refined technology applications - use powerful microwave pulses that, according to the patent, can disrupt or take down airplanes and missiles with advanced guiding systems, according to a lengthy article entitled "The End of Freedom", by Dennis Rodie, originally published in Belgium by the periodical, Kleintje Muurkrant, in December, 1999. (http://dennisrodie.5u.com/page10.html )

Rodie says the Defense Department is using HAARP technology to perform atmospheric measurements and to replace submarine communication systems; however, he adds that HAARP can also cause interference with or total disruption of communications over a large portion of the earth with electromagnetic beams of different frequencies, according to the patent. Moreover, it can be used for alteration of weather, causing drought and floods.

Rodie also describes the work of Dr. R.O. Becker, twice nominated for the Nobel Prize for bio-electromagnetism. In his book, The Body Electric, Becker details the experiments of Dr. Alan Frey who was able to use microwaves to slow down, speed up or even stop the heartbeat, while also creating leaks in the blood brain barrier - research financed by the United States Navy. But Rodie then reveals that the technology makes it technically possible to cause a heart attack by using a beam which can penetrate the human sternum.

************ CAN CONGRESS INVESTIGATE ITSELF?

Given the fact that terrorists can gain entry to secure military installations, a Saudi Air Force instructor with the same name as three FBI-identified hijackers can unexplainably turn up dead during a routine training mission in perfect weather, and secret CIA-financed Raytheon technology has the capability of taking down airplanes, the question is begged as to who is left to seek truth and real accountability.

The reporting of Dan Hopsicker (Madcowprod.com, 12-26-2001), delves deeply into what a Tampa Tribune headline called, "The Phantom Flight from Florida," wherein a Saudi prince - the son of the nation's defense minister - as well as the son of a Saudi army commander took off in a twin-engine Lear jet just two days after the September 11 attacks, when every other plane in the United States was grounded. Moreover, Hopsicker made a special point that the Federal Government said the flight never happened despite the Tribune's glaring headline. Meanwhile no one has even asked why the princes were in Tampa on 9/11!

The two Saudi princes flew to Lexington, Kentucky where other Saudi princes were purchasing racehorses; and from there, they flew a private 747 jet out of the country. But two armed bodyguards hired by the Saudis to get the princes out of Florida told Hopsicker that the Saudi plane took off from a private hanger at Raytheon Airport Services in Tampa.

Hopsicker's report ultimately traced the ownership of the Lear Jet to Wally Hilliard, who is a partner of Rudi Dekkers, owner of the Venice, Florida flight school where most of the Saudi terrorists developed their airplane hijacking skills. Hopsicker added that the local police had collected all the files detailing Dekkers' relationships and business with the hijackers - including the Alghamdi terrorists.

But according to one local law enforcement official, "The FBI took all our files, everything." Then he added that, "they loaded two Ryder trucks right outside that (police station) window, then drove them right onto a C130 military cargo plane at Sarasota airport which flew out with [Governor] Jeb Bush aboard." Is Hopsicker striking a presidential nerve?

All Americans - but more specifically the September 11 victim families - may well come to agree with a young mother named Kristen Breitweiser, who sat with her three year-old daughter and their dog, watching Ellen Mariani's husband Neil's hijacked United 175 jet crash into the South Tower of the World Trade Center - effectively destroying her future family life with her husband Ronald, while he sat at his desk.

Breitweiser entranced MSNBC's Phil Donohue last night, remarking that Congress is so conflicted that it cannot possibly investigate itself - even as she asked why, "President Bush just sat there for 25 minutes while the country was under attack," adding that it was "disgusting." Mrs. Breitweiser stared at the camera, quietly speaking in a composed and serene rage.

The November election could well reveal whether or not Americans share Kristen's quiet rage that congressional national security oversight is disgusting enough to make wholesale changes.

The Congressional Investigative Committee has held hearings on the subject of the intelligence failures related to the tracking of 9/11 hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar. However, as damning as those failures are, what's being reported is not the whole story. The story of Alhazmi and Almihdhar is worth exploring in detail, because it consists of so many strange and contradictory components that when strung together, demonstrate repeated cases of gross government incompetence at every turn. Why did the government not prevent them from entering the country despite several opportunities? Why do neighbors claim the two men had frequent, brief limousine rides in the middle of the night? How can evidence of the two being at two different places at once be explained? What did Israel's secret service know about them, and why was their warning to the CIA seemingly ignored? Why have visits by head hijacker Mohamed Atta been denied by all but their neighbors? Why have many major newspapers suggested that Khalid Almihdhar may still be alive?By connecting the dots left by previous media reports, it becomes clear that there is much more to these two than has been officially acknowledged. The truth is that the case of Alhazmi and Almihdhar has been a tremendous embarrassment to the Bush Administration—and it could prove even more embarrassing if the media starts asking real questions.

The final 9/11 Commission report, released on July 22, 2004, concluded that "American intelligence agencies were unaware of Mr. Atta until the day of the attacks." This now looks to be embarrassingly wrong.

You make such claims and just expect everyone to take your word for it. If you follow this website a little bit closer, as appose to the "debunking" websites, we actually provide actual sources, data, evidence...which ever you like to call it and let the people make up their minds for themselves. I think I'm going to need a little bit more then you just coming and saying this person lied and whatnot.

Therefore, if you wouldn't mind "open back up that Case" and provide me with something ligament as to why i should believe you, i would appreciate it.

Leslie Landry and perhaps this maybe alluded to kersoneaddict since he/she quoted me as well:

QUOTE

In what sense did he lie?

First of all, I first found out about her story and video back in the "original" 2006 LC forums. The video interview gave away her credibility. Hopsicker used her, and he accepted the story without ever questioning it. In particular, she stated that afterwards of Atta praying, he killed her kittens (as she was trying to paint this "fanatic" "Muslim" picture). When she stated some to that effect, it was a red herring and quite funny and ludicrous to me. I knew she was lying. I stated this a couple of years ago, but no one paid any attention. But, lo and behold:

"It was my bad for lying," Keller said. "I really didn't think about it until after I did it."

So if the witness is lying, and there was no rebuking of her along with accepting her testimony quite easily and presenting it to everyone, then to me that person who also conducted that interview should be questionable and be seen as a "shady cat."

QUOTE

You make such claims and just expect everyone to take your word for it. If you follow this website a little bit closer, as appose to the "debunking" websites, we actually provide actual sources, data, evidence...which ever you like to call it and let the people make up their minds for themselves. I think I'm going to need a little bit more then you just coming and saying this person lied and whatnot.

Something that I did of my own volition, and quite original by the way, was debunking Atta's will in `Arabic back in 2006 as a forgery. This can be found in the LC and Letsroll forums. Those are quote on quote "truth" sites and not "debunking" sites as they appear on the surface level. I have my own theories regarding Atta and the rest. But I have certain issues especially when things seem peculier and sensationalized out there regarding this whole 9/11 fiasco. Hence, that is why I take offense to Hopsicker's ordure.

As far as Sander Hicks's, the onus is on him to please provide information on Hasan Al Banna and the Ikhwaan al Muslimoun (Muslim Brotherhood) being aligned with the Nazis or Third Reich intelligence, especially during Imam Hasan Al Banna's tenure. This is just nonsense. It was more of the Mufti of Palestine favoring Hitler wholeheartedly, not Imam Hasan al-Banna at the time. He didn't even quote this, except that Sander Hicks himself does quote on the Islamic brotherhood from Jewish Zionist John Mintz, and the other islamophobes such Douglas Farah of the Washington Post.

Zionist propaganda along with Christian right wing fundamentalism would lavish at labeling any Muslim who opposes colonialism, the Zionist regime as a "terrorist." So it baffles me as to why so called "truthers" ally themselves with such nonsense and accepting them wholeheartedly without going to the original sources especially at time of "Islamophobia." Those people are playing right in the hands of the real perpetrators.

Has Sander Hicks's read anything on Hasan al Banna, his works, methodology, and etc, or does he regurgitate Zionist filth from such sites as "jihadwatch" or "militantislam", or mainstream newspapers and Jewish writers such as John "Mintz"? Perhaps not as it seems. I believe that Sander Hick's erred, and to equate Hasan al Banna as an agent or "arm of" or with 3rd Reich intelligence, Nazism, or Hitler, really holds no water. You will see that most of the references are British and Zionist Israeli referenced, since those were 2 of the countries at straws and wars with both Germany and the Muslims of Egypt and Palestine.

Let us see what Imam Hasan Al Banna stated with regards to Nazim, Hitler, Fascism. In his letter to the King Of Egypt and to other dignitaries of the Islamic world, he compares Islam to western grown ideologies in the following manner:

"The modern nations have paid close attention to this and have been founded on these principles: we see that Mussolini’s Fascism, Hitler’s Nazism, and Stalin’s Communism are based on pure militarism. But there is a vast difference between all of these and the militarism of Islam, for the Islam which has sanctified the use of force has also preferred peace. Directly after the verses extolling force, the Blessed and Almighty says:"

Elsewhere in one of his famous essays entitled, "Peace in Islam", Imam Hasan al Banna wrote:

Nazism came to power in Germany, Fascism in Italy and both Hitler and Mussolini began to force their people to conform to what they thought; unity, order, development and power. Certainly, this system led the two countries to stability and a vital international role. This cultivated much hope, reawakened aspiration and united the whole country under one leader.

Then what happened? It became apparent that these seemingly powerful systems were a real disaster. The inspiration and aspirations of the people were shattered and the system of democracy did not lead to the empowerment of the people but to the establishment of chosen tyrants. Eventually after a deadly war in which innumerable men women and children died, these regimes collapsed.

Now to equate Imam Hasan al Banna as a fascist, Nazi, 3rd reich intelligence agent, terrorist, or "father of modern terrorism" has become a trend phenomenon post 9/11 by certain Islamophobes around the world. Imam Hasan al Banna was against the colonized state of Egypt by the British and the occupying land of Palestine by the Zionists. These 2 latter groups were at wars with Hitler at the time, and if Hasan al Bana and other Ikhwan al Muslimoon members allied themselves with Hitler and Nazi Germany, it was for getting rid of fascism committed (and to this very day) by Zionist Israelis against the Palestinians and the corrupt dictatorship that was set up by the British colonialists in Egypt. At the end he was killed by Egyptian security and intelligence networks. Nonetheless, from the above quotes, he spoke against those very same ideologies in which he has become a prime target of "sponsoring" by certain globalist elites, i.e., Zionists.

Study his work and his life from the "original" sources, and even if one reads both of the articles in which I derived those quotes from, it will paint a different picture of Hasan al Banna. This is what I mean as to Sander Hicks "regurgitating" and not doing his homework. He failed.

on the second topic of islamophobia sinewy, you are much better versed than i, so i give your assertions alot of weight and consideration, and have no refutations to offer and in fact would like to say thank you for the insights and the knowledge.

but i was wondering about hopsicker and atta's alleged girlfriend: have you considered the possibility that her recantation/retraction is the misinfo/disinfo instead of her original interview? could she have been "gotten to" and decided to dismiss all her earlier allegations because of coercion/pressure/fear and not her own volition?

isnt the date of the article rather convenient (from a perp point of view)?

Keller, 24, is engaged and is studying to become a nurse. She moved to Ohio in early 2002 and said she hoped that by getting married and changing her name, she could finally leave the rumors behind.

couldnt that be another reason for her to change her story? that she has been harrassed or subjected to something negative after her disclosures to hopsicker?

and since when do the FEDS tell the truth about 911? dont they have their own vested interest when they say:

"There's nothing there to corroborate the relationship between the two," a New York-based FBI counterterrorism agent said recently after reviewing 9/11 case files.

The agent got clearance to talk from the U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI, but only agreed if his named was not used.

Among other things, the government checked Atta's phone records and found the two had never called each other.

so we have a nameless agent vouching for amanda's retraction and for whatever proof was ABSENT of a connection between her and Atta. not exactly a sturdy source now is it? and what was it that Keller (amanda) had attributed to atta? that he wasnt exactly the kind of muslim extremist the gov. purported him to be, right? that he had lots of money and lots of cocaine? and that he had contacts with 2 germans, some flight students, and access to some sort of hangar belonging to the "44 squadron", yes? basically what she had relayed to hopsicker painted a picture that contradicted the gov's version of atta and established some questionable ties between atta and persons never mentioned by the Fbi. so their interest in nullifying/negating keller's earlier claims is rather self-evident, dont you agree?

in her interview, keller says it she who found atta the apartment at a place called the Sandpiper. the fact that atta stayed at the sandpiper is established by at least one media outlet which did not base their story on Keller's claims or hopsicker's:

While attending flight school at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Mohamed Atta, 33, and Marwan Alshehhi, 23, lived with four other Middle Eastern students near Venice Airport at Sandpiper Apartments.

The six Middle Eastern men shared a two-bedroom, two-bathroom apartment in unit 26, said Charles Grapentine, manager of the apartments.

Huffman Aviation rented the unit at $550 a month, Grapentine said.

so if she was lying, she certainly did her homework about the REAL atta's background and movements in florida.

you'll have to refresh my memory about the cat killing story (cuz i cant seem to locate it in the video of keller), but is that the only reason you suspect that the rest of hopsicker interview was a lie (keller's retraction NOT withstanding)? or did you detect any other falsehoods in her allegations? i have seen that interview a couple of times, and though i would not leave my (would-be) bag of cocaine alone with that girl, i would say that she did not seem evasive or deceptive in her general claims/recollections about atta and co.

mind you im not saying i fully trust hopsicker as a source of information either. what makes me suspicious/nervous about the guy is his boldness and the avenues of research/investigation he has done. most people wouldnt have the resources or balls to go digging up atta and co.'s floridian roots, unless they knew they were somehow safe - or if they were reckless (but hopsicker is still living) - so i have to wonder who has hopsicker's back (since he's not dead). he does have access to some high-level peeps, even some spooks, so even though it makes him suspect, i still think at least some of the stuff he has uncovered is worthy of consideration and should be included in any formula attempting to unravel 911. so i wouldnt dismiss everything hopsicker has come up with. there is always the chance that he may be planted to disseminate disinfo, but like any good disinfo, there is some truth mixed in.

but it seems both in keller and the fbi's best interest to wipe away any of her earlier assertions about atta. so i (personally) would lean towards bullshiit on her retraction and truthful on her original interview. hopsicker i would treat with caution and scrutiny cuz he seems to have an agenda, but dont throw out the baby with the bathwater...

about the video according to the author: An exclusive 19-minute video interview with Amanda Keller, Mohamed Attaâ s erstwhile American girlfriend, refuting sworn testimony given by a Pentagon official last week at the Able Danger hearing, who said the U.S. had not identified Mohamed Atta prior to 9/11. The interview makes it clear that the hijackers werenâ t hidingâ not even in plain sightâ before the attack. The only thing hiding has been the major media, which has refused to report honestly the true story of the terrorists who lived in our midst. Atta drank,did cocaine, and partied in KeyWest, all dubious actvities for an Islamic fundamentalist...but not for a drug smuggler... During the same month Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi arrived at his Venice, FL flight school, the flight school ownerâ s Lear jet was seized by DEA agents who found 43 pounds of heroin aboard. Heroin comes from Afghanistan, doesn't it? And before 9.11 Osama Bin Laden RAN Afghanistan. So who was he trading with in the U.S.?

on the second topic of islamophobia sinewy, you are much better versed than i, so i give your assertions alot of weight and consideration, and have no refutations to offer and in fact would like to say thank you for the insights and the knowledge.

Anytime, buddy.

QUOTE

but i was wondering about hopsicker and atta's alleged girlfriend: have you considered the possibility that her recantation/retraction is the misinfo/disinfo instead of her original interview? could she have been "gotten to" and decided to dismiss all her earlier allegations because of coercion/pressure/fear and not her own volition?

isnt the date of the article rather convenient (from a perp point of view)?

Published: Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 4:53 a.m. Last Modified: Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 6:51 a.m.the 5 year anniversary of 9/11, right? and what about:

Keller, 24, is engaged and is studying to become a nurse. She moved to Ohio in early 2002 and said she hoped that by getting married and changing her name, she could finally leave the rumors behind.

couldnt that be another reason for her to change her story? that she has been harrassed or subjected to something negative after her disclosures to hopsicker?

Now I can propose similarly that any 9/11 information whether true or false will be presented in the awake of 9/11 anniversaries, especially if the anniversary date is coming close. This has been done many times ever since 9/11. Convenience in the aftermath of 9/11 for the perps won't be a made manifest anymore I believe. They would have learned that by now since 9/11 truth and questioning is becoming manifest in the world as of now. Furthermore, if she was harassed or subjected to something negative, then what sets her apart from a let us say someone who had ties, or even acquaintances with these 9/11 patsies? That "sympathizer" would have been aiding or abetting terrorists, and perhaps have been incarcerated or sent to some secret prison for indefinite periods of time along with massive methods of torture implemented upon him/her immediately after 9/11. No questions asked. Why wasn't Keller?! Because she had nothing on her. What was her excuse going to be when the FEDs interrogated her? "I used Atta", as she points out in those videos. LOL. Give me a break.

QUOTE

so we have a nameless agent vouching for amanda's retraction and for whatever proof was ABSENT of a connection between her and Atta. not exactly a sturdy source now is it? and what was it that Keller (amanda) had attributed to atta? that he wasnt exactly the kind of muslim extremist the gov. purported him to be, right? that he had lots of money and lots of cocaine? and that he had contacts with 2 germans, some flight students, and access to some sort of hangar belonging to the "44 squadron", yes? basically what she had relayed to hopsicker painted a picture that contradicted the gov's version of atta and established some questionable ties between atta and persons never mentioned by the Fbi. so their interest in nullifying/negating keller's earlier claims is rather self-evident, dont you agree?

To state we have a nameless agent is quite relative and not a good excuse to rather critique the source. Rather if we go by that logic, then is Amanda Keller a real name for that very person, as she herself mentions that she went by other names, and Atta using her name, Amanda, was kind of different in public. So then this will perhaps make us ponder even more as to who this Amanda Keller really is/was. We will never know. She perhaps might have been an operative used in tracking Atta.

As to your other point of muslim extremist Atta, Amanda contradicts herself. The video google and youtube interview cuts that you linked I have seen, and it is quite funny as she gives 2 sides to the image of Atta. She states that he rebuked her from drinking in the public, but he drank and snorted coke in front of her and her friends inside the apartment. This is very stupid and shows the hypocritical nature of Atta. More of this will be discussed below.

QUOTE

you'll have to refresh my memory about the cat killing story (cuz i cant seem to locate it in the video of keller), but is that the only reason you suspect that the rest of hopsicker interview was a lie (keller's retraction NOT withstanding)? or did you detect any other falsehoods in her allegations? i have seen that interview a couple of times, and though i would not leave my (would-be) bag of cocaine alone with that girl, i would say that she did not seem evasive or deceptive in her general claims/recollections about atta and co.

Yes, she did mention him killing her cats. She also stated that he was breaking crosses and sorts, tearing Bibles after a prayer session in which he was interrupted. LOL. Now is the government trying to paint a picture of Atta as a religious extremist, or is Amanda telling us Atta was an extremist who had no limits, but he DRANK AND SNORTED COKE? LOL. Also he made her wash dishes and beat her on some occasions again to show the male, middle eastern chauvinist stereotype. She has done more in the propagation of Atta as a Muslim extremist, chauvinistic pig than the previous government's assertions. Or can it be that she is a hired disinformation agent or operative herself? We will never know. But nonetheless, this is what I mean about the apparent hypocritical nature of Atta shown by Amanda. She is not consistent in her portrayal of Atta. Here is the link and fast forward to 4 minutes to see what I am referring to:

mind you im not saying i fully trust hopsicker as a source of information either. what makes me suspicious/nervous about the guy is his boldness and the avenues of research/investigation he has done. most people wouldnt have the resources or balls to go digging up atta and co.'s floridian roots, unless they knew they were somehow safe - or if they were reckless (but hopsicker is still living) - so i have to wonder who has hopsicker's back (since he's not dead). he does have access to some high-level peeps, even some spooks, so even though it makes him suspect, i still think at least some of the stuff he has uncovered is worthy of consideration and should be included in any formula attempting to unravel 911. so i wouldnt dismiss everything hopsicker has come up with. there is always the chance that he may be planted to disseminate disinfo, but like any good disinfo, there is some truth mixed in.

Exactly, I agree with you here. No need for me to repeat. Also for Hopsicker to continue to have held this opinion, propagate it to masses, and for him to not question it, speaks volumes as to who he truly is. There is nothing wrong in you or I disagreeing. We both have the goals of justice coming to fruition at the end.

Dale Peter Scott's assertions sound a whole lot like what I remembered from the 2 books above (but I didn't see the links to Pakistani ISI, Florida Senator Bob Graham, or a Mr. Glass that had me scratching my head at least).

I remember a bunch of shady "underworld" types from both books- criminals, arms dealers, strippers, etc. tend to run in those kind of circles. Intellegence agencies (of many/most countries) are not exactly strangers to various criminal elements either.

The late Gary Webb's and late James Hatfield's excellent books also deal with non-9/11 (except for the Bush cabal) criminal elements FWIW.

and i think the confirmation for that is how assiduously the state and its organs[the nyt, the wapo] have avoided investigating the story[stories].

the most interesting aspect of hopsicker is how he still thinks that those saudi clowns hijacked the airliners and that the state story of the events of 11/09/01 are true.

he just thinks that the hijackers had long-term connections to the cocaine/heroin state and the bushits[and their myrmidons].

and that the fbi ran everyone off of the enormity of that story of bushit/rnc/cia drug trafficking in florida.

ran everyone off of the history of porter goss. katherine harris, jeb bush. et alia.

i think that daniel hopsicker got that part of the story accurately.

as to the events in manhattan, shanksville, dc, i don't think he has gotten it accurately.

but you know, one can only do so much. and it cannot be disputed, no one else has revealed what hopsicker has revealed concerning atta, shehi, and the outfit in south florida. a story that no one else has wanted to consider.

forget amanda keller. focus on the dutch boys and the drug-running learjet[s].

focus on the entirety of hopsicker's investigation. madcowprod.com.

a record of stories that the stenographers for the state will not air. in fact, will spike.

it is one thing to dispute hopsicker's investigation results. it is another thing to just ignore it.

it is a response by the media similar to the assassination of roland carnaby. of gary webb. the stories of bob parry.

and in many instances, in the initial stages, the stories of sy hersh.

and april oliver/jack smith.

how much time could i spend telling you how the press has squelched the revealing of the truth.

too much time. if you don't know the history of all that murdering of the truth by know, you really are beyond my educational assistance.

Al-Qaeda kingpin: I trained 9/11 hijackersFrom his Turkish jail, a senior terrorist claims a key role in atrocities around the world

IN a small windowless cell lit by a single light bulb, Louai al-Sakka sits isolated from the world and fellow inmates for 24 hours a day.

His concrete box is in the bowels of Kandira, a high-security F-type prison 60 miles east of Istanbul, which was built to house Turkey's most dangerous criminals.

The prison has been criticised by human rights groups such as Amnesty International. The guards control everything, including the cell's light switch.

Sakka's only visitor is Osman Karahan, a lawyer who shares his fervent support for militant Islamic jihad.

Since being convicted as an Al-Qaeda bomb plotter last year, Sakka has decided to reveal his alleged role in some of the key plots of recent years, providing a potential insight into the unanswered questions surrounding them. His story is also one of a globetrotting terrorist in an organisation that is truly multinational.

He is an enigma and, despite his involvement in three terrorist outrages involving British citizens, he is virtually unknown in this country.

By his own account he is a senior Al-Qaeda operative who was at the forefront of the insurgency in Iraq, took part in the beheading of Briton Kenneth Bigley and helped train the 9/11 bombers. He has been jailed in connection with the bombing of the British consulate in Istanbul.

Certainly, the intelligence services have shown a keen interest in the 34-year-old Syrian who says he was in Iraq alongside Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the notorious insurgent who was killed last year in a United States air-strike.

But, as with many things in the world of Al-Qaeda, there might be smoke and mirrors. Some experts believe that Sakka could be overstating his importance to the group, possibly to lay a false track for western agencies investigating his terrorist colleagues.

Over the past three weeks The Sunday Times has conducted a series of interviews with Sakka through his lawyer. We were given a number of documents including a memoir in Arabic of his life.

So who is the mysterious Al-Qaeda operative in the concrete cell and what do his claims tell us about the terrorist network and his role within it?

He was travelling under the Turkish name Erkan Ozer – one of his 16 false identities – when he was arrested in the southeastern town of Diyarbakir in August 2005. His downfall was as a result of a nighttime explosion that caused a fire in his apartment a week earlier. When fire-fighters reached the blaze they found a do-it-yourself bomb factory with vats of hydrogen, bags of aluminium powder and 6kg of plastic explosives.

Sakka had been planning to sink Israeli cruise ships off the Turkish coast using motorised dinghies. Despite having plastic surgery to disguise his face, he was easily identified by the Turkish authorities.

Police later discovered documents linking him to the Istanbul suicide bombings that killed at least 27 people after trucks exploded outside the British consulate, the HSBC bank and two synagogues. The court indictment described him as "a senior member of the Al-Qaeda terrorist organisation tasked with special high-level missions". It said he had met Osama Bin Laden, who had told him to organise attacks in Turkey.

But was this all? Last week his lawyer claimed his scope was much wider. "He was the nnumber one networker for Al-Qaeda in Europe, Iran, Turkey and Syria," Karahan said.

According to the documents provided by Karahan, Sakka grew up in the ancient city of Aleppo, Syria, the son of a wealthy factory owner, and followed in his father's footsteps by becoming the general manager of a company that sold one of Syria's most popular washing-up liquids. But he was drawn to the Islamic cause from a young age, according to his memoir.

His politics were shaped by the conflict between President Hafez al-Assad, the former Syrian dictator, and the Muslim Brotherhood, an underground Islamic group. When Sakka was nine, Assad quelled an uprising by the brotherhood in the town of Hama by killing an estimated 10,000 people.

"Like any other Muslim boy he was deeply affected by these events," says his memoir.

When the Bosnian war opened a new front for jihadists in the early 1990s, Sakka left his job and headed for the conflict. He stayed in Turkey initially and established the "mujaheddin service office", which provided medical support for Bosnia and later the two Chechen wars.

It soon became clear that more than medical help was needed. Sakka set up intensive physical training programmes in the Yalova mountain resort area, near Istanbul, to prepare the scores of young men heading for the conflicts. The memoir claims the volunteers came from Europe, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, the Gulf, North Africa and South America.

The Chechens needed trained fighters. Sakka was telephoned by Ibn al-Khattab, the late militia leader controlling the foreign fighters against the Russians. Khattab requested that Sakka's trainees should be sent on to Afghanistan for military training because "conditions are tough".

This brought Sakka into contact with Abu Zubaydah, a high-ranking Al-Qaeda member, who ran a large terrorist training camp near the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Sakka was later to be sentenced in ab-sentia for involvement in the foiled Jordanian millennium bomb attacks in 2000 along with Zubaydah.

One of Sakka's chief roles was to organise passports and visas for the volunteers to make their way to Afghanistan through Pakistan. His ability to keep providing high-quality forged papers made Turkey a main hub for Al-Qaeda movements, his lawyer says. The young men came to Turkey pretending to be on holiday and Sakka's false papers allowed them to "disappear" overseas.

Turkish intelligence were aware of unusual militant Islamic activity in the Yalova mountains, where Sakka had set up his camps. But they posed no threat to Turkey at the time.

But a bigger plot was developing. In late 1999, Karahan says,a group of four young Saudi students went to Turkey to prepare for fighting in Chechnya. "They wanted to be good Muslims and join the jihad during their holidays," he said.

They had begun a path that was to end with the September 11 attacks on America in 2001. They were: Ahmed and Hamza al-Ghamdi who hijacked the plane that crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center; their companion Saeed al-Ghamdi whose plane crashed in a Pennsylvanian field; and Nawaf al-Hazmi who died in the Pentagon crash.

They undertook Sakka's physical training programme in the mountains and later were joined by two of the other would-be hijackers: Majed Moqed, who also perished in the Pentagon crash, and Satam al-Suqami, who was in the first plane that hit the north tower.

Moqed and Suqami had been hand-picked by Al-Qaeda leaders in Saudi Arabia specifically for the twin towers operation, Sakka says, and were en route to Afghanistan. Sakka persuaded the other four to go to Afghanistan after plans to travel to Chechnya were aborted because of problems crossing the border. "Sakka [told Zubaydah] he liked the four men and recommended them," said Karahan.

Before leaving, all six received intensive training together, forming a cell led by Suqami, which was similar to the Hamburg group run by Mohammed Atta, another ringleader in the 9/11 attacks.

At one point, Sakka claims the entire group were arrested by police in Yalova after their presence raised suspicions. They were interrogated for a day but eventually released because there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

Some of Sakka's account is corroborated by the US government's 9/11 Commission. It

found evidence that four of the hijackers – whom Sakka says he trained – had initially intended to go to Chechnya from Turkey but the border into Georgia was closed. Sakka had prepared fake visas for the group's travel to Pakistan and arranged their flights from Istanbul's Ataturk airport. The group of four went to the al-Farouq camp near Kandahar and the other two to Khaldan, near Kabul, an elite camp for Al-Qaeda fighters.

When Moqed and Suqami returned to Turkey, Sakka employed his skills as a forger to scrub out the Pakistani visa stamps from their passports. This would help the Arab men enter the United States without attracting suspicion that they had been to a training camp.

Sakka's lawyer said: "Just like there is money laundering, there is also terrorist laundering and Turkey was the centre of this."

According to Sakka, Nawaf al-Hazmi was a veteran operative who went on to pilot the plane that hit the Pentagon. Although this is at odds with the official account, which says the plane was flown by another hijacker, it is plausible and might answer one of the mysteries of 9/11.

The Pentagon plane performed a complex spiral dive into its target. Yet the pilot attributed with flying the plane "could not fly at all" according to his flight instructors in America. Hazmi, on the other hand, had mixed reviews from his instructors but they did remark on how "adept" he was on his first flight.

Paul Thompson, author and 9/11 researcher, said Sakka's account was credible. "I think there is a lot more about the history of the hijackers that needs to be found out and Sakka's claim may resume the debate about just how much was known about them before 9/11," he said.

Sakka's mountain trainees, meanwhile, had spread out to a number of countries where they carried out terrorist attacks. He claims this is why he was charged with a string of crimes committed by his associates. He was given a 15-year sentence in Jordan for the millennium bomb attacks, the death penalty for an an assassination attempt on Syria's military intelligence chief and has been charged in Saudi Arabia for an explosives plot.

In effect, he had become a free-lance operative aiding a series of groups without necessarily agreeing with their targets. His links with Al-Qaeda, however, remained strong after the 9/11 attacks.

His lawyer says the Al-Qaeda leadership valued a number of his skills. "But most important," he added, "was that Sakka was incredibly secretive. Al-Qaeda tested him many times, but he never once revealed a secret."

The US invasion of Afghani-stan in late 2001 threw many of the Al-Qaeda camps into disarray. Many of the group's fighters are thought to have fled across the border to seek safety in Iran.

According to Sakka's account, one of those fighters was Zar-qawi. The precise movements of the Jordanian, who is thought to have been wounded fighting alongside the Taliban in Afghani-stan, have always been a matter of speculation.

Sakka's initial role in the insurgency was to help foreign fighters enter Iraq. He took his family to live in Falluja, which was emerging as the hub of the foreign fighters' resistance to the occupying forces.

He later told a court: "We held out for 70 days. They destroyed vast quarters of the city. It wouldn't have been possible for them to enter before doing so. We ran out of ammunition and had to pull out."

A month before the fall of Falluja, Sakka claims that he was part of the group that killed Kenneth Bigley, the British hostage. He describes himself as the "diplomat" who negotiated on behalf of the insurgents and says he presided over the court that resolved to execute him. He says Bigley's body is buried in Falluja with his passport and confession video.

Today Sakka remains a controversial figure. The British Foreign Office says it has interviewed Sakka in jail about the Bigley murder. He provided a map of where Bigley was buried but the Foreign Office says they could not find the body. In Turkey, police sources claim Sakka may have become clinically insane or perhaps be an egoma-niac who has overstated his role.

The Sunday Times has spoken to a number of Al-Qaeda experts who say that many elements of his story ring true, but they are impossible to verify conclusively. Evan Kohlmann, an investigator for the 9/11 Finding Answers Foundation, said: "When [Sakka] was in Falluja there were several high-ranking Turkish guys there. It is also true that for a number of conflicts that Al-Qaeda has been involved in, Turkey is a very important through stop and a lot of fighters have travelled through there with the assistance of local people."

Swift justice

Gordon Brown's plans to double the detention period for terror suspects face further opposition with a report showing that America needs just 48 hours to file charges in Al-Qaeda cases.

The report by Justice, the human rights group, will say this week that Brown's plans to extend precharge detention to 56 days are untenable.

It says: "No western democracy faces a greater threat of terrorism than the US. Despite this, the proven ability of US law enforcement to charge suspects in complex terror plots within 48 hours of arrest without resort to exceptional measures shows that UK proposals to extend precharge detention are both unjustified and unnecessary."

The report emphasises the importance of FBI phone tap evidence and Brown is considering whether such intercept evidence should be allowed in Britain.

Eric Metcalfe, the Justice report's author, said: "From Guantanamo Bay to rendition to torture, the US has done a lot of things badly wrong in the fight against terrorism.

"But in the rush to extend precharge detention here in the UK, we sometimes overlook what they are doing right."

The FBI and the 9/11 Commission report say that al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar first entered the United States in 2000, but the Washington Post and the LA Times report that the two first came in 1999, and that al-Hazmi's name was on their future apartment's lease in November of 1999. Either way, the two definitely attended the 2000 Al Qaeda Summit in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. It was there that the details of the 9/11 attacks were decided upon. He was secretly videotaped at this meeting by Malaysian authorities.

A week afterwards, on January 15, 2000, al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar flew to Los Angeles, California from Bangkok, Thailand. They were identified by the CIA, but were not put on the terrorist watch list that is shared with other agencies, despite the fact that the CIA's counter-terrorism center had sent out a cable just a month before, reminding agents how important it was to put suspicious people on this shared list when they enter the United States. Several further times in the next year and a half, when analysis of the al-Qaida Summit was performed and when information on the USS Cole bombing was discovered, it would have been standard procedure for the CIA to have reported al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar to the FBI, but the information was not shared.[5][6][7][8][9][10]

After entering the country, al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar went from the airport to a restaurant, and there met the Saudi national Omar al-Bayoumi, who has been suspected of being a Saudi agent (although Saudi Arabia denies this.) Al-Bayoumi invited the two to move to San Diego with him, and they did. They spoke very little English, and needed a lot of help to settle in. Al-Bayoumi found them an apartment, co-signed their lease, and gave them $1500 to help pay for their rent.

Al-Hazmi and al-Mihdar's neighbors later reported that the two struck them as quite odd. They had no furniture, they constantly played flight simulator games, they paid for everything in cash, and limousines picked them up for short rides in the middle of the night.[11][12] They later moved into the house of Abdussattar Shaikh , who was secretly acting as an FBI informant at the time, although he did not report the two to the FBI.[13][14]

In June of 2000, al-Mihdhar returned to Yemen, his birthplace, leaving al-Hazmi to take care of himself. This move was not authorized by al-Qaida. Another al-Qaida operative and future 9/11 hijacker named Hani Hanjour moved in with him. In 2001, al-Hazmi and Hanjour moved to Falls Church, Virginia. Eventually two other hijackers, Ahmed al-Ghamdi and Majed Moqed, moved in with them.

On April 1, 2001, al-Hazmi received a ticket for speeding. His license information was checked to see if there were any warrants for his arrest, but there were none. (Had his name been on the shared CIA watch list, he would have been arrested. [15][16]) On May 1, 2001, al-Hazmi reported an attempted street robbery to police in Fairfax, Virginia, but later declined to press charges.

Al-Hazmi, along with at least five other future hijackers, traveled to Las Vegas at least six times in the Summer of 2001. They reportedly drank alcohol, gambled, and paid strippers to perform lap dances for them.[17]

The INS finally put al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar on a watchlist to prevent entry into the U.S. in August of 2001, but they had been in the country for over a year. The FBI was subsequently contacted, and began to search for them on August 21, 2001, but did not determine their whereabouts in time. An internal review after 9/11 found that "everything was done [to find them] that could have been done." But the search does not appear to have been particularly aggressive. A national motor vehicle index was reportedly checked, but al-Hazmi's speeding ticket was not detected for some reason. California's drivers license records were not searched, although both were known to have entered the US through Los Angeles. The FBI did not search credit card databases, bank account databases, or car registration, all of which would had positive results. Al-Hazmi was even listed in the 2000-2001 San Diego phone book, but this too was not seached until after the attacks.[18][19][20][21][22][23]