This video interview with Professor Jan Harman of CUNY took place at the 1998 ADPCA conference at Wheaton College. They discuss Ruth's early years, the work in South Africa, Carl's last weeks, and spirituality. Jin Wu is camerawoman

This video interview with Professor Jo Cohen Hamilton also took place at the 1998 Association for Developing the Person-Centered Approach conference at Wheaton. They discuss the defining elements/conditions of the PCA, and how interrelated they are. Ruth quotes Carl to the effect that the PCA isn't carved in stone. She speaks of an individual comfortable with the conditions in everything they do, not just when they put on their counselor's cap. They also discuss intuition, congruence, unconditional positive regard, caring, and love. Jin Wu again is camerawoman

This tape was made February 12,1986 at the University of Capetown. This was the second trip Carl and Ruth made to South Africa. They were more familiar with the setting but still enthusiatic about the tasks. They were also flushed with the success of the recent conference at Johannesburg where the 36 small group facilitators after finding deep, deep differences in the pre-conference preparation sessions discovered they could work together in the small groups.

This was given in Moscow with Russian translation when Ruth and Fran Macy returned to the Soviet Union in 1988. It gives more details of her work on creativity than any other talk I know. It also discusses the LeBoyer method of birthing that Carl considered deeply person-centered.

Carl and Ruth had the practice of reviewing the day's events on tape. Some of these audios became the basis for chapters in the to be published book on "The PCA in South Africa".This tape recalls the Capetown conference of l982. It was noted for its sense of community. There was also a strong interest in small groups to discuss men-women issues.

Here Carl and Ruth discuss a gathering at the home of a leading woman political activist. The discussion seems prescient when guests think the political system may collapse under the weight of its own laws and regulations.

This is a workshop in Tbilisi, Georgia. Here Carl is expository. It ends with a question whether there is some personality characteristic, ethnic characteristic, e.g. Georgian, compared to others. Carl replied, " My answer is very tentative, but I feel when you give an individual freedom of choice, then in Brazil they become more blooming Brazilians; when I work in California, they become more blooming Californians, and I would hope , if I have the opportunity to work in Georgia, they would become more blooming Georgians. But it would be their own choice."

The Scientific Council included members of the Academy of Sciences and was influential in educational policy. Two thirds of the workshop participants appeared to witness and some got a chance to tell their very interesting stories.

Cedo Mutwa is a leading sangoma or healer. He is Zulu, knows eight languages, and is a philosopher, sculptor, artist, and writer. The encounter was full of surprises and reversals. Ruth regarded it as a missed opportunity in the sense that neither of the two men quite managed the deep meeting that she felt was possible. Carl once remarked that the necklace Credo gave him to bring him luck had done a good job so far. Ruth could well have said the same for hers.