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Monday, October 01, 2007

Local and national news.

In national news, John McCain screwed up BIG TIME when he said:"I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation," he said.On Sunday night, McCain sought to clarify his remarks while campaigning in Hollis, New Hampshire. "What I do mean to say is the United States of America was founded on the values of Judeo-Christian values, which were translated by our founding fathers which is basically the rights of human dignity and human rights," he said.McCain would go on to say, "Holy Crap, I fucked up." :)

In local news, a Kern County High School District Trustee has decided that all of the classrooms in Kern County need to display the national motto: In God We Trust.http://www.bakersfield.com/102/story/249302.htmlJack Jackyl will be at the meeting tonight to tell Mr. Vegas exactly what he thinks of this screwed up little ploy. Mr. Vegas has said, "In a release Vegas said the official motto of the U.S. is a "logical first step in making sure our students are informed and grounded in these basic tenets." Excuse me? But, I would think the "logical first step" for American youth would be a vocal and justified protest of this asinine stripping of their civil rights.But, wait!! There's more..."If approved, Bakersfield City Councilwoman Jacquie Sullivan will provide the posters.She has already been successful in posting the phrase in the council chambers of City Hall."*boggle*""There are those that are trying to remove God from our public life, and I do not think that is right and I think the national motto is important for that reason," Sullivan said in a telephone interview Sunday night." (*@&#)!(@*&(*!&@# I am, personally, not trying to remove *insert sky pixie of choice* from any one's public life. What I would like is an adhearance to the principal that any "one" person should decide that MY children should be introduced to their magic sky pixie of choice. It's a public school, Mrs. Sullivan. It's not Stockdale Christian or Bakersfield Christian High!For my local readers - please attend tonight's meeting.Monday’s 7 p.m. meeting is open to the public at 5801 Sundale Ave.

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There are those that are trying to remove God from our public life, and I do not think that is right and I think the national motto is important for that reason," Sullivan said in a telephone interview Sunday night."

So much for the, "but the word god in the pledge and on our money is just a statement of religious history and has no real religious signifigance" argument.

Do these people actually believe that people will stop being Christian if the word god isn't posted EVERYWHERE? If there belief system is that weak why do they practice it in the first place?

If we can throw god out of people's public life just by taking the word god out of the national motto then that's a really weak and pathetic god that doesn't deserve worship in the first place.

I wish I could say I was surprised. However, these are the same sorts of people who claim that signing a document "The Year of our Lord" - the literal translation of A.D., means the people signing it were proclaiming their allegience to God, and then throw hissy fits about the horrible ungodly people who use CE and BCE.

You can't have it both ways, people. Either it means something, in which case there needs to be another option, or it doesn't, in which case it shouldn't matter anyway.

I always approach the motto issue from the point of inclusiveness / exclusiveness. Literally, the motto is saying that WE trust in God. Those who don't trust in God are not to be included in WE. If you want to put God in public life, feel free to put up a poster saying "In God Some of Us Trust."

The motto both reflects and exacerbates the poor public image of atheists. It's too late for the meeting as I post but a healthy showing of real, live people protesting at not being considered part of "we" would help immensely.

mrniceguy, in their fantasy world, saying the words would convert people, and they'd suddenly be hit with the "truth" and all the ills of the world would be solved. That's one of the reasons why they object so strenuously to the prayers of other religions. Making someone pray, or hear a prayer, is a foot in the door for them. Religion gives people the super-power of complete self-deception.

Late last year, then Ohio governor Bob Taft (R) signed legislation that requires PUBLIC schools to display the state and national mottos if the local Kiwanis club provides the plaques.The national motto (cmon you know it): In God We TrustOhio’s motto: With God All Things Are Possible

I had the (mis)fortune to be a presenter (for work) at a local Kiwanis meeting soon after they had provided plaques to several local schools. A high ranking school official made the following comment (parapharase): “I was so proud to be involved in this project. We need to get god back in the schools where he belongs.”

Ben,Hopefully, I can get Jack to come in and comment on the meeting. I talked to him, by phone, about an hour ago and he shared a bit about the meeting. He went. He made some points (I'll let him expand on that). I know that the issue is STILL being discussed (and argued) all over town. Also, I suppose it would surprise no one to know that the guy pushing for this is also a minister. :/ I had forgot, when I originally put this up, that this was the same schmuck who got his knickers in a twist over the Toni Morrison novel, "The Bluest eye". He didn't think it was appropriate for HONORS, Seniors (last year of high school for those not in the US).