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Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

Clearly you lack knowledge about the game of basketball since your posts lack any kind of depth.

Now clean your glasses and realize that Hibbert is a liability to this team.

You typed three sentences there. The first sentence makes the second two incredibly hypocritical. Also, he was right.

As for the OT--no. Roy's offense has been brutal this year, but defensively he is the anchor for this team. You know, the best defensive team in the NBA? Roy is a huge part of this team's success. I have zero desire to trade him, struggling or not.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

You typed three sentences there. The first sentence makes the second two incredibly hypocritical. Also, he was right.

As for the OT--no. Roy's offense has been brutal this year, but defensively he is the anchor for this team. You know, the best defensive team in the NBA? Roy is a huge part of this team's success. I have zero desire to trade him, struggling or not.

I'm sorry to hear you guys were English majors!

And actually, although Hibberts blocks have been significant for us, his pick and roll defense has been very poor this year. He isn't worth his contract by many millions.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

Clearly you lack knowledge about the game of basketball since your posts lack any kind of depth.

Now clean your glasses and realize that Hibbert is a liability to this team.

Firstly, stop being so thin skinned, people disagree sometimes on the internet. Anyway, Roy's been dreadful on offense. That's clear to anyone, spectacles or not (even though only English majors wear glasses, obviously). It's past the point of a slump, he's just bad offensively, for whatever reason. He's also a fringe DPOY candidate. I love West, and he's playing the best defense of his life this year, but it's still not any better than average. But he puts up points so he's awesome and Roy sucks.

I also wish people'd put some context to "max contract." His "max contract" isn't the same as Joe Johnson, or Amare Stoudemire, or Deron Williams, or Elton Brand. I'd easily take Roy over all those players, and his contract's smaller.

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Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

I wish we could sub Roy out after every defensive stop. LOL!! He has been great on the defensive end but it almost seems every time he throws up a shot on the offensive end it's a wasted possession. Some of the shots he throws up have no chance of going in. He is what he is I guess. I don't ever see him being an offensive juggernaut. Good thing a big part of this team's identity is defense.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

Roy's been disappointing this season. Defensive anchor or not, he's hardly a scoring threat in the paint with his combination of 41% shooting & 2 TO's for his low usage rate. He's also not the rebounder he should be and we all know it.

Some guy here posted that big guys get paid. True. How many of these big guys have a long term deal AND shoot 41% from the field? I guess 0. I even doubt the lowest FG% guy on that list (whoever that is) shoots below 46%.

A defensive anchor that shoots 40% from the field shouldn't be the highest paid player on your team. His contract is pretty much the reason we're going to have to dump Granger, West, Hill or George at some point.

Anyway, I am against trading him for now because he has a pathetic bang for buck value which means we're gonna get crap for him. I'd rather play him and hope that at some point (hopefully next year) he'll have some fluke shooting streak that will boost his trade value and then we could get some serious offers.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

Just because Hibbert makes Bargnani look like a tough mother****er and Valanciunas like the ROY doesn't mean he can't be a positive on the floor. He is +6 btw
That's just how our defense works and bigs who move well and shoot very well are allowed to take a lot of midrange jumpers.
Paul George "steals" a lot of his rebounds, but that shouldn't matter as long it's a Pacer. Pacers are a very good rebounding team in most games.
Yeah, his offense is awful, but we have to assume that a hardworking man like Roy should be able to find his offense back from last year.

That's said, I would love to have a center like Valanciunas on the Pacers.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

I could care less about him being a part of the offense. But, I would like double - digit boards average and the ability to consistently finish offensive board put backs at the rim. His contract & top paid billing on our team would be much more palatable if he accomplish those things.

As it stands, can't imagine he's even being shopped. Whether or not I'd be disappointed if he were moved would totally depend on what we got in return.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

He had an awfully nice hook-pass to West for a lay in. But generally, yes, his offense has been putrid.

But his defense remains very, very good. He's a very serious obstacle for guys trying to get to the rim and he makes our perimeter defense better too by allowing guys to press. He's good enough defensively to start on this team, even if his offense is bad.

But pull the crystal ball out. I believe Roy Hibbert will resolve his mental issues and you will find him kicking some *** in the future. You've already seen his roller coaster act and you know it's mental even though it appears physical. Just hang on. I've seen people struggle like this and they ultimately come out of it stronger than the rest of us.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

This thread P!SSES ME OFF!!! ...

I personally think a moderator needs to delete this crap ... embarassing for me as a PD member to think that Big Roy could happen to open up PD in his browser and the first thing he sees is an "official trade roy hibbert thread"...

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

No, this isn't an overreaction thread after the loss to Toronto in overtime.

This guy is stealing money LITERALLY and is most likely the worst offensive center in the league.

The Pacers have to find someway to get off this contract ASAP, might be one of the worst contracts in the league as we speak.

9.9 PPG and 8.3 REB per game on 41.5% shooting is HORRENDOUS.

Max contract???

Unbelievable.

That horrible center anchors the best defense in the nba. He allows PG to pressure the ball without fear of someone scoring at the rim. He allows David west to roam around the paint to deflect passes at will. Don't overvalue offense because its defense and grit that win championships.

He may be the worst offensive player int he league. I get that but also remember because of him you hold your opponents to a FG% less than what he is currently shooting.

He is the reason we are 3rd in the east.

Lets also look at this logically. If he is making 41 baskets out of 100 that means in 10 games he would make one more basket a game to get to 50% if he shot 10 shots a game. So you want to trade a former allstar and one of the best defensive players, shot blockers, and offensive rebounders in the league over 2PPG. Our average win margin is quite high and while I want roy to shoot 50% as much as everyone it is hardly worth saying trade him.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

I would guess that if you pressed TPTB at the Pacers the answer is NO, not now. We are at least a year away from having to decide whether to trade Roy or not. For a couple of reasons. First, the Pacers have decided to give this team, Hill, Paul, Danny, Lance, David and Roy, a chance to make a playoff run. So it's time to let the dice roll and see how good this team is when it has all the players on the court at the same time. Second, the Pacers don't need the money right now. Nor will they need the money next summer. The Pacers have the cap space to resign David West without going over the cap with or without trading Roy. So there is no need to get rid of him for pennies on the dollar just because he is a max player who is under performing.

Now this does not mean the Pacers would not be willing to listen to a trade for Roy. But it does mean the Pacers don't have to trade Roy unless they can trade him for a clearly better player. That is true of pretty much every player on the team. Pacers are willing to trade him [or anyone else] for LeBron James or Kevin Durant. So they are willing to trade. But absent a trade that is lopsided in the Pacers favor, there is no financial need to trade Roy until next year's trading deadline.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

No, this isn't an overreaction thread after the loss to Toronto in overtime.

This guy is stealing money LITERALLY and is most likely the worst offensive center in the league.

The Pacers have to find someway to get off this contract ASAP, might be one of the worst contracts in the league as we speak.

9.9 PPG and 8.3 REB per game on 41.5% shooting is HORRENDOUS.

Max contract???

Unbelievable.

The Pacers didn't start winning until Roy started playing. I don't care if he scores much at all. He clogs up the middle and he is a defensive force who changes the game. He just needs to defend, block shots and rebound for this team to win. If you trade him, fine another 7'2" center who can do what he does. Centers are always overpaid. Hibbert is not overpaid for a center and his not on a max contract. He got the max for what he could sign for at the time. Next time around, he will get a max contract if the Pacers keep winning...... ...

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

He's fine. The offense will come. He's coming off an injury. And he's a big reason why we have the best D in the league. Give it time.

I'm sorry, but what are you basing this on? I ask because I've been hearing "the offense will come. Give it time" since, oh, the first week of the season. What's the basis for believing he's going to suddenly go from not being able to post up guards on a mismatch to scoring efficiently inside? What's the logic behind that?

It's not because he's going to get it, or he's equivalent to PG/David West. That's just completely nonsensical and not even giving effort to thought. The reason he won't get traded is his value is at its lowest in years. You don't sell this low on a player until his personality becomes a problem.

Since he's not going anywhere, they need to tell him when he's not 100% wide open (which he never is), either dunk or pass the damn ball until he learns another move. No more hook shots. They destroy the offense.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

I'm sorry, but what are you basing this on? I ask because I've been hearing "the offense will come. Give it time" since, oh, the first week of the season. What's the basis for believing he's going to suddenly go from not being able to post up guards on a mismatch to scoring efficiently inside? What's the logic behind that?

It's not because he's going to get it, or he's equivalent to PG/David West. That's just completely nonsensical and not even giving effort to thought. The reason he won't get traded is his value is at its lowest in years. You don't sell this low on a player until his personality becomes a problem.

Since he's not going anywhere, they need to tell him when he's not 100% wide open (which he never is), either dunk or pass the damn ball until he learns another move. No more hook shots. They destroy the offense.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

Pretty good official trade thread. Noticed there was not a trade for an actual player mentioned? A young Wilt, Shaq, Kareem? I'll bet we could trade him to the 76ers for Bynum right now. By this time next year Ian could be our starting Center, maybe not. Just who would you trade Roy for?

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Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

you're not really going to get somebody better than him in a trade. he's one of the most well rounded big men in the league, although not elite at anything (except for shot blocking maybe). his lack of athleticism really limits him on both ends though

edit: one of the more underrated things about hibbert is his durability. how many games has he missed due to injury?

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

you're not really going to get somebody better than him in a trade. he's one of the most well rounded big men in the league, although not elite at anything (except for shot blocking maybe). his lack of athleticism really limits him on both ends though

edit: one of the more underrated things about hibbert is his durability. how many games has he missed due to injury?

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

i dont think this thread is about Hibbert being a scrub, its just the expectations for him were so high, and with him being the top paid pacer right now, you would think u would get more out of him than this

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Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

Even in Roy's case I don't think expecting improvement on both ends of the court after signing a max deal is unreasonable. We are often told how hard he works in the off season- so what did he work on the last offseason?

His development curve seemed to suggest 14 ppg and 9 rpg not 10 and 8 with 41% shooting by a 7'2 center. As such after watching him sign a big contract and regress its very understandable Pacer fans are unhappy with Roy.

I rather doubt there would be a long line of teams forming to take on Roy's contract based on this season. As such we will have to hope he starts living up to it.

Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

Some guy here posted that big guys get paid. True. How many of these big guys have a long term deal AND shoot 41% from the field? I guess 0. I even doubt the lowest FG% guy on that list (whoever that is) shoots below 46%.