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Re: Scrum ends

so I think the answer to my OP question is that the scrum is not over, but #8 is committing a PK offence by not binding properly.

The players in the scrum bind in the following way:
a. The props bind to the hooker.
b. The hooker binds with both arms. This can be either over or under the arms of the
props.
c. The locks bind with the props immediately in front of them and with each other.
d. All other players in the scrum bind on a lock’s body with at least one arm.

Re: Scrum ends

Not a problem at all, seeing as the Law clearly states he only needs to bind with ONE arm. So, he releases one arm and reaches forward to pick up the ball from the feet of the locks.

Surely as soon as he picks up the ball, the scrum is over? And if he remains bound then his players in the scrum are obstructing? I would try and manage the situation by either calling the ball out or use it. I can't see how this is tactically useful, as the oppo 9 is usually waiting to go for the ball at the earliest opportunity.

Re: Scrum ends

We all agree that the no8 can attempt to pick the ball out of the scrum now.
What if he has a full arm bind with one arm and picks the ball up with the other, scrum over?
This has happened to me a few times and that's what I've called

Re: Scrum ends

Originally Posted by ctrainor

We all agree that the no8 can attempt to pick the ball out of the scrum now.
What if he has a full arm bind with one arm and picks the ball up with the other, scrum over?
This has happened to me a few times and that's what I've called

Agreed. Otherwise it is handling in the scrum.

He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
And whistled as he went, for want of thought. The Referee byJohn Dryden

Re: Scrum ends

I think the law mod that allows the #8 to retrieve the ball from under the locks feet is expecting the #8 to unbind first. Staying bound with one arm and scooping up the ball has to be handling in the scrum.