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Its neither strictly genetic or strictly environmental, and its often unhelpful to think of the two as mutually exclusive. Twin studies show that homosexuality has a strong genetic component but thats not the whole story. Environmental factors that affect it are much more likely to be things like hormone exposure in the womb rather than things like culture, interaction and socialisation, which have little to no affect on a persons deep-seated sexual identity (though they can modify behaviour of course).

Here's what I've discovered... those who argue the loudest against homosexuality, usually have something to hide, either consciously or subconsciously....

Even speaking as someone 'on your side' (and a shrink, FWIW), IMO that's a tough statement to support or defend. Sure, there are many instances where it's true (include some famous ones in recent years), but as a broad statement......I don't see how you or anyone can assert that, except as a speculation.

2- Funkylama: I'm not complaing about the reaction: it's the typical reaction that anyone faces when they oppose political correctness and state a common social viewpoint that a few vocal citizens (5%, last count) find offensive to them, personally. The largest amount of complaining has been on your side, and even after I tried to back down from the subject and end it, it just went on and on. This is not surprising. The typical reactions were stated:I'm a caveman.I'm unenlightened.I'm a homophobe.Etc, etc.Yes, all very expected and the usual business. Nothing surprising there. I expected at least a little intelligent conversation, but all I got was the usual "I'm offended, you brute". I'm offended too, but I don't let it get under my skin that much.

*sigh* Don't portray yourself as some tragic victim, nobly fighting the oppressive forces of political correctness. What you said was thinly-veiled homophobia and that's why people objected.edit: by the way, you have no right to complain about a lack of intelligent discussion when you're criticising homosexuality for not being natural. Presumably you refuse to use airplanes, and squat on the floor instead of using toilets if you find the unnatural so objectionable.

So easy to offend certain people - and then the whole world echoes with their complaints and we wait for them to calm down and come back to their senses. It must be just simply awful for you that someone else doesn't agree with you - I feel for you. Life is tough - it would be better if everyone agreed, wouldn't it? So idyllic. So pleasant.

On and on and on and on...

If you want to portray me as a hommophobe, a tragic victim, a caveman, unenlightened - by all means, continue. I, unlike you, will not stop you from voicing your opinion. Please - continue with the show, folks. It's very entertaining - and oh, so predictable!

2- Funkylama: I'm not complaing about the reaction: it's the typical reaction that anyone faces when they oppose political correctness and state a common social viewpoint that a few vocal citizens (5%, last count) find offensive to them, personally. The largest amount of complaining has been on your side, and even after I tried to back down from the subject and end it, it just went on and on. This is not surprising. The typical reactions were stated:I'm a caveman.I'm unenlightened.I'm a homophobe.Etc, etc.Yes, all very expected and the usual business. Nothing surprising there. I expected at least a little intelligent conversation, but all I got was the usual "I'm offended, you brute". I'm offended too, but I don't let it get under my skin that much.

*sigh* Don't portray yourself as some tragic victim, nobly fighting the oppressive forces of political correctness. What you said was thinly-veiled homophobia and that's why people objected.edit: by the way, you have no right to complain about a lack of intelligent discussion when you're criticising homosexuality for not being natural. Presumably you refuse to use airplanes, and squat on the floor instead of using toilets if you find the unnatural so objectionable.

2- Funkylama: I'm not complaing about the reaction: it's the typical reaction that anyone faces when they oppose political correctness and state a common social viewpoint that a few vocal citizens (5%, last count) find offensive to them, personally. The largest amount of complaining has been on your side, and even after I tried to back down from the subject and end it, it just went on and on. This is not surprising. The typical reactions were stated:I'm a caveman.I'm unenlightened.I'm a homophobe.Etc, etc.Yes, all very expected and the usual business. Nothing surprising there. I expected at least a little intelligent conversation, but all I got was the usual "I'm offended, you brute". I'm offended too, but I don't let it get under my skin that much.

*sigh* Don't portray yourself as some tragic victim, nobly fighting the oppressive forces of political correctness. What you said was thinly-veiled homophobia and that's why people objected.edit: by the way, you have no right to complain about a lack of intelligent discussion when you're criticising homosexuality for not being natural. Presumably you refuse to use airplanes, and squat on the floor instead of using toilets if you find the unnatural so objectionable.

2- Funkylama: I'm not complaing about the reaction: it's the typical reaction that anyone faces when they oppose political correctness and state a common social viewpoint that a few vocal citizens (5%, last count) find offensive to them, personally. The largest amount of complaining has been on your side, and even after I tried to back down from the subject and end it, it just went on and on. This is not surprising. The typical reactions were stated:I'm a caveman.I'm unenlightened.I'm a homophobe.Etc, etc.Yes, all very expected and the usual business. Nothing surprising there. I expected at least a little intelligent conversation, but all I got was the usual "I'm offended, you brute". I'm offended too, but I don't let it get under my skin that much.

*sigh* Don't portray yourself as some tragic victim, nobly fighting the oppressive forces of political correctness. What you said was thinly-veiled homophobia and that's why people objected.edit: by the way, you have no right to complain about a lack of intelligent discussion when you're criticising homosexuality for not being natural. Presumably you refuse to use airplanes, and squat on the floor instead of using toilets if you find the unnatural so objectionable.

Oh, of course - absolutely. I'll refrain from *sigh*ing in return.

Ah yes, the 'la la la I can't hear you' stage of wrongness.

Oh boy... I know you are.No I'm not.I know you are.No I'm not.

On and on and on and on...I think I'm going to take the high road and stop replying to these baiting posts. They are accomplishing nothing except back and forth biting and clawing, which I don't want to be associated with. I was wrong to even engage in it.

2- Funkylama: I'm not complaing about the reaction: it's the typical reaction that anyone faces when they oppose political correctness and state a common social viewpoint that a few vocal citizens (5%, last count) find offensive to them, personally. The largest amount of complaining has been on your side, and even after I tried to back down from the subject and end it, it just went on and on. This is not surprising. The typical reactions were stated:I'm a caveman.I'm unenlightened.I'm a homophobe.Etc, etc.Yes, all very expected and the usual business. Nothing surprising there. I expected at least a little intelligent conversation, but all I got was the usual "I'm offended, you brute". I'm offended too, but I don't let it get under my skin that much.

*sigh* Don't portray yourself as some tragic victim, nobly fighting the oppressive forces of political correctness. What you said was thinly-veiled homophobia and that's why people objected.edit: by the way, you have no right to complain about a lack of intelligent discussion when you're criticising homosexuality for not being natural. Presumably you refuse to use airplanes, and squat on the floor instead of using toilets if you find the unnatural so objectionable.

Oh, of course - absolutely. I'll refrain from *sigh*ing in return.

Ah yes, the 'la la la I can't hear you' stage of wrongness.

Oh boy... I know you are.No I'm not.I know you are.No I'm not.

On and on and on and on...I think I'm going to take the high road and stop replying to these baiting posts. They are accomplishing nothing except back and forth biting and clawing, which I don't want to be associated with. I was wrong to even engage in it.

My post was a baiting post but 'Oh, of course - absolutely. I'll refrain from *sigh*ing in return' wasn't? Okay.

If you want to portray me as a hommophobe, a tragic victim, a caveman, unenlightened - by all means, continue. I, unlike you, will not stop you from voicing your opinion. Please - continue with the show, folks. It's very entertaining - and oh, so predictable!

You're experiencing a similar reaction to what you'd get if you wanted to have a civilized, intelligent discussion about creationism or flat-earthism. I can appreciate how that would be frustrating.