>>120295667Saber jobs throughout all of F/SN except the Fate route, and she even jobs a little there as well.

Her entire reason for being in UBW is so Rin can win the HGW. Otherwise, she's not allowed to do much because Shirou needs room to develop. It is his route after all. Now if you don't want more spoilers, get to reading, secondary-kun

>>120295667Shirou sucks dick as a master. Kiri knew how to use her while Shirou's too busy white-knighting for her to actually be effective. He gets in her way and actively takes blows for her. She's forced instead to keep her master from impaling himself on the enemy's weapons than actually fighting.

>>120296400>>120296136He may have somewhat of a brain in UBW, but his guilt complex about being alive allowed Caster to play him like a damn fiddle. If that was any other master, Saber would have never become Caster's personal bitch.

>>120296573To be fair, is not like he had any other option at that situation. Caster was at her full power and his sisterly figure was being threatened. Rin makes too much of a deal about it, but guilt complex or not, is understandable he acted like that when his only family left could have been murdered.

Also that is also partly fault of the writing shoehorning the SoL part of the story.> Hey Shirou, I know we're in the middle of a war but let's go to a date and leave the only person that isn't a magus and often hangs around your house completely unprotected!

>>120296772Under Sakura, she's more a moving tank, rather than a swordsman in a sense.

Power through the roof, blasting ability through the roof, immovable, and regeneration out the ass. Even if she's not as fast, she becomes that sort of boss fight where if she manages to catch you, you're just dead the second it gets there. It steam-rolls you without question.

A tank may not be the fastest car on the road, but if it collides with any other car, guess which one is going to explode.

>>120296588If Gilgamesh, the King of Heroes and supposedly the strongest servant got wrecked by a japanese kid that supposedly was a shitty magus, you should know powerlevels don't mean shit in Fate/SN. You'll get a headache trying to get a clear picture of who's more powerful than who, because later it becomes clear anyone can beat anyone if they use the right strategy.

>>120297096The reason they don't fight in the day is because there are too many people around. Rin also attacked Shirou in school after everyone were gone, and that was in the day, you know.

Also they confirmed Kuzuki doesn't give a shit about what Caster does, so they should have known Caster can do pretty much anything she wants. And not like there were witnesses or anything either after she sealed them inside the boundary.

In the VN it happens too, not like the Emiya household is a public gathering place or anything. At least they could have made Archer look after her or something.

>>120297050Well, Nasu really goes out of his way to make sure he's not just writing Bleach or something, where power-levels are a thing.

In something like Bleach, a strong guy could just go "haha, that power doesn't work on me, I'm too bullshit stronger for it to ever work because my power level is too high. You need to be as high as me in power level to ever get close to actually fighting me, but if you're below me in rank I can ignore literally everything you do, it cannot hurt me"

In Fate/Stay Night; anyone can beat anyone, it isn't straight power levels, even if someone is stronger the right strategy, luck, compatibility, skill, team up, or timing and he could be beaten by someone far lower on the scale.

That's honestly how this should work. Gilgamesh is the strongest for sure, this is directly noted, but that doesn't mean he can't lose just the same. Does that mean the one that beats him is the new strongest? No, it just means that was the one able to get in the right shot. However the one that beat him could easily be beaten by someone that wouldn't even be a joke to Gilgamesh in comparison.

It's not really straight Bleach power levels, where "If you beat this guy, that means you're far stronger than him. If you weren't stronger then there's no way your ability could have ever worked". The weak can overcome the strong if they have a decent compatibility in terms of abilities.

>>120297355Battles between servants are never as good as battles between magus, because they can always pull shit out of their ass. Maybe saber vs. assassin, but most of the other fights are just dbz lasers and power levels.

>>120297096>>120297403It isn't "muh magus code." It's a Masquerade. Magi keep their activities secret from the general populous because the general populous finding out would be a Very Bad Thing™ for magi. This included Caster.

One cool thing about Kirei vs Kerry is that they don't speak a single word to each other the entire fight. No pausing to mock the opponent, no pausing to discuss power levels. It felt like two men completely determined to kill the other.Servant battles are filled with tedious monologues.

Maybe their brand of fighting is reserved for non-Servants, who don't have the luxury to pause and brag about powers.

>>120297403Even when Caster attacked them in the day, she sealed them inside the boundary and there were no other people other than Shirou, Rin and Saber, and Archer himself said it was pretty hard for him to get in. She is following the code.

>>120297546What would the populous do? Send jet planes and missiles against her? Is there even a living human with magic that are comparable to her? It has been awhile since I read the VN, did the anime changed that scene much?

>>120297417I agree, but it sort of steals credibility. Why hype characters to be super powerful for then to be beaten why an informed "weaker" character? After the third time it loses impact. He shouldn't have brought up powerlevels in the first place if they weren't going to be that important in the first place.

>>120298006Anyone with half a brain knows the whole argument was dumb from the start.There's many things that are built upon something that already exists. Anything nowadays is hardly something super special that nobody has thought about before. There is nothing wrong with Shirou taking inspiration from Kiritsugu to build his ideals, but Archer acts like it makes them less valid because he didn't pulled them out his ass. 30 minutes of monologues saying this in 500 different ways won't make it any deeper or complex than that.

>>120298055Yeah, but I guess he needed a way to add tension to the fights without having anything bad actually happen to the characters. Someone should have lost a limb or something. That would've done the trick

Too bad it almost never happens in anime, and when it does, the character usually dies soon afterwards

>>120298201Archer was taking his frustrations out on Shirou due to countless years endlessly killing people as a CG. The whole thing was him throwing a tantrum because he got a raw deal. He was frantic and irrational; he even admitted his plan likely wasn't gonna work. The guy just wanted vindication for /someting/.

>>120298055Because they are super strong, if the battle was nothing but a straight battle with nothing strange added to it, they would win. This isn't hard to understand.

However this is a war, not a shounen battle tournament. Everyone is allowed to attack how they want, everyone has a chance to win, rather than just "Only the strongest card with the highest stats" can win.

It was never Power-levels to begin with; I'm not sure if you just thought it was supposed to be shounen fights and found it strange afterwords, but it was never that sort of thing. If you've read any Nasu story before this, you'd know he never does Bleach power levels, it was never power levels in that sense.

Gilgamesh is indeed the strongest, in a straight fight he'd win, but this is a war rather than just a battle. No one is just going to attack you in a straight way if they know you hold a stronger card, instead they'll plot around it, fight a way to beat that card without it turning into a battle, or find the right trick.

The greatest irony 90% of people never seen to realize about Nasu "Power levels" during every power level thread, is that it doesn't work like that, it's never straight power levels, nor was it "Wat, but it's supposed to work like shounen". Stats don't matter, Noble Phantasm doesn't really matter, having a higher number doesn't matter, it's all about how you apply yourself. Anyone can beat anyone with the right situation, and that's how Nasu has always written it.

Gilgamesh has won two grail wars and lost one grail war, he's not a jobber in the end. He's managed to break that record. Saber is strong, but she's stupid because she believes in her swordsmanship above all else and just rushes into situations without any guard or understand, and gets fucked up when the opponent had a skill that made it not so easy to beat them. As though she wasn't fighting the apex of humanity that all have tricks and crap that make it not that easy.

>>120298231>Yeah, but I guess he needed a way to add tension to the fights without having anything bad actually happen to the characters. Someone should have lost a limb or something. That would've done the trick

It would have been very difficult for Shirou to explain to his classmates, school officials, and Taiga why he's suddenly missing an arm. That's why it never happens in anime, or at least in anime with somewhat realistic settings.

Hell, it doesn't happen that often in ANY medium where the setting doesn't easily allow for powerful healing magic or robotic replacement limbs.

>>120295667Shirou's a shitty Master, so all her stats with the exception of Luck are lower than what they were under Kiritsugu. On top of that, due to Shirou's ineptitude as a Magus, he can't even supply her with prana, so she's running entirely on reserves. She desperately needs to conserve her energy; every little thing she does brings her one step closer to death.

The irony is that at the end of the Fate route, Saber under Shirou is probably the strongest out of all her forms, despite her lowered stats, thanks to the addition of a single trump card.

>>120298419Yeah. Writers are just too scared of breaking the status quo.

It wouldn't necessarily need to happen to Shirou though. It's more or less what happened to Saber for half of Zero, though I wish she actually did lose the arm. Imagine how pissed Takeuchi would have been

>>120298551Well, there's not much of an explanation in the beginning, since Gil's only role in Fate (where his obsession with Saber is a plot point) is being the NTR guy threatening to steal the waifu from the MC.

But is more explained in other works. In Zero he takes an interest in Saber because of the misery that was her life and how she was beginning to realize her decisions and ideals where her downfall, which amused him a lot. In Extra he basically says Saber is her ideal woman. Is basically Gil thinking Saber's suffering makes her special and Saber being his type of girl.

Admittedly, Zero Gil seems to be more invested in Saber's past and how it affected her, while in Fate he's just the NTR guy who's bad for trying to steal the MC's girl and wants to fuck Saber for no reason whatsoever.

>>120298695>even Kiritsugu.Didn't he truly despise her down to his very core? I mean he treated her as a tool, only spoke to her three times, and the few times all three were together he ignored her outright like she wasn't there. Dude hated the shit out of Saber. Even zero lancer got a tongue lashing from fast wheels every now and then. I think the only servant to get worse treatment was Medusa. Thanks to Shinji's punk ass she gets killed off in one hit in that route, and completely obliterated in the saber route. Caster killed the shit out of first master even if it met fading away and losing a shot at the grail.

>>120299037>Didn't he truly despise her down to his very core?No, he was entirely opposed to her ideals and methods. However, when it came down to it, their goals of saving people were remarkably similar. Iri also mentioned that Kerry was mad instead at the people around Saber who forced such a young girl into that harsh leadership role.

Therefore, those Saber x Kerry doujins could technically be canon in multiverse.

>>120299037No. Cu had it worst. Stolen from his original master that loved him, forced to be a jobber for a stronger asshole when he just wanted a good fight and then ordered to kill himself. Being Lancer is suffering

>>120299211>at the people around Saber who forced such a young girl into that harsh leadership role.But nobody forced Saber to become a King. There's an entire monologue about Saber taking the decision out of her own free will, and they empathize a lot that everyone warned her about the consequences of being the King, and she still decided to go through with it.

I don't remember that scene well enough, but wasn't he mad that nobody told Saber that she could still serve her people without neglecting herself?

>>120299440Saber can literally only die once she finds happiness. Her contract is based on her either obtaining the grail, or becoming at peace with herself and deciding she doesn't want it by intentionally destroying it

>>120299502Isn't what why despite seeing the excailbur she fired off that Rider calls it a lonely and self righteous light? How'd the narration go for that scene again? Because he's kinda right. something about warriors of all times to remain steadfast in their battles or something.

>>120299502>I don't remember that scene well enough, but wasn't he mad that nobody told Saber that she could still serve her people without neglecting herself?Here, this is the scene I'm talking about.

>>120299502Kerry is mad at what happened for the reasons stated(at the people around Saber who forced such a young girl into that harsh leadership role) but this is only an off hand comment that Irisviel makes about his opinion of Saber. Other than their one dialogue together you never learn anything more about what he thinks of her.

The rest of what you're talking about is only discussed in Fate during Shirou's dreams where Saber knew she was destined to fail when she picked up the sword but would still try anyway. Shirou has a similar opinion to Kerry, but he was more mad that no one ever bothered to help her and speak out that she could be doing something wrong.

>>120299938There's the chance of Shirou's denseness being translated into Rin's tsundereism. Judging by the prologue it probably be Rin wanting to fuck Archer but being too tsun to admit it, thus prolonging the romance.

>>120300381Backwards. Nasu said he planned for Shirou and Rin to have their own routes, and then at some point in the story they would merge into a single route. But he couldn't find a way to do this so he discarded the idea.

I don't know about Archer but damn I'm curious about that mana transfer scene, if you catch my meaning.

>>120300615There's just not enough boys in the story for her to be chasing. Shirou's a given. You could definitely make a strong case for Archer, but their relationship still felt completely platonic. And aside from that, there's... I dunno, Lancer? Shinji? Issei?

>>120300830Lancer could be an option, in UBW he joked a bit about flirting with Rin.

>but their relationship still felt completely platonicIs pretty clear there's nothing in Archer's side, but Rin was wetting herself over him since the start. In the prologue she talks about how her heart was going doki doki when he teased her.

>>120301162Their end in UBW sounds pretty romantic in Rin's side (she calls him her knight). However, Rin thinks of servants as tools and not people, she might have thought having a romance with Archer would be useless since he's going to disappear anyways.That's only my reasoning, though.

>>120301316>and as far as I can tell prefer alignment free games.Pretty sure D&D or at least "generic Tolkien-inspired fantasy a la D&D" is the most frequently discussed sort of setting. Even the D&Dfags can generally admit that alignment is sort of shit.

>>120301292Chaotic Good Gil makes sense to me. He thinks he's making the world a better place, even if not everybody agrees with his idea of a better world or the methods he wants to use to achieve that.He has good intentions, but he's just too destructive and selfish to bring any good to the world.

>>120301482As far as I can tell, he really only cares about himself and his own goals. He may think that he's doing good for others because that's how he thinks a king should act, but it doesn't really matter to him anyway. He should be True Neutral

>>120301305Not that anon, but it sounded more melancholic to me from her perspective. Like saying goodbye to a friend that stuck by your side through difficult times and now you have to see them go. But well, different interpretations.

>>120301235Kiritsugu is chaotic-neutral now that a re-read them, with maybe a bit of chaotic good.>A Chaotic Neutral character is an individualist who follows his or her own heart, and generally shirks rules and traditions. Although Chaotic Neutral characters promote the ideals of freedom, it is their own freedom that comes first; good and evil come second to their need to be free. Chaotic Neutrals are free-spirited and do not enjoy the unnecessary suffering of others. A Chaotic Neutral character does not have to be an aimless wanderer; it may have a specific goal in mind, but its methods of achieving that goal are often disorganized, unorthodox, or entirely unpredictable. If a Chaotic Neutral joins a team, it is because that team's goals happen to coincide with its own at the moment, but it invariably resents taking orders and can be very selfish in its pursuit of personal goals.

>>120301604>>120301633His goal is to use the mud of the grail to wipe out all humans that aren't worthy to be under his rule. He's upset humans of the modern world are weak in comparison with the humans he ruled over. In his views, he's doing the world a favor by making sure only worthy beings are in it, even if it means destroying everything.

Of course he's self-centered and selfish, but he genuinely thinks he's doing the right thing. True Neutral wouldn't give two shits about what humans do or don't. Chaotic Evil wouldn't do either because even if Gil is insanely self-centered, he is genuinely upset about the current state of the world, meaning he does care to some extent about his "garden".

>>120301887There is nothing in your post that isn't compatible with an evil alignment. You can be evil even if your goal is something you can present as good. Especially when your means of accomplishing it are incredibly evil and your motivations are incredibly selfish.

>>120302088The grail couldn't completely consume him because of his ego, but it had an effect on his mind nonetheless. Not to mention his body was formed entirely from black mud magic. He is literally made of evil.

>>120302008>A chaotic evil character does whatever his greed, hatred, and lust for destruction drive him to do.While this fits part of Gil's character, his cleansing goal is out of his duty as king, not something born out of his selfishness. He talked about this to Shinji with the 10 slaves examples. He couldn't kill a single one because he deemed them all worthy of being his underlings.

>>120302169>, but it had an effect on his mind nonetheless.No, I think either in Fate or UBW Gil says the grail couldn't corrupt him one bit.In Fate Saber asks Gil if he had gone mad after being bathed in the mud, and he doesn't answer. In UBW I think he says he isn't corrupted one bit and the grail couldn't beat him.

Shirou is such a shitty master in general that she has to fuck the mana out of him to be able to do anything. It wasn't until she gave him the blowjob of the millenium that she managed to win big and go for the gold.

Her personal luck was stupid high in Zero. She won every battle, missed fatal blows on multiple occasions, cruised by several group victories, survived unfavorable situations, and made it to the very end of the war. And she didn't even have to fuck anyone to do it.

>>120303536He could have still killed Shirou whenever. He could have let him and the others die to BerserkerDid he just remember Shirou had Avalon in him and give up on trying?

And why was he even serious in HA? That fight confused the fuck out of me. >I'll kill you if you cross this bridge because it's my territory because I say so>Why is it bad if you cross this bridge? Because I say it is, look I want to kill monsters, mkay?

>>120303681Archer wanted to get Shirou to drop his ideals more than anything. That's why he never just straight up murdered him. It's only when he becomes exceedingly frustrated by Shirou's stubbornness that he actively considers offing him.

>>120303859Yeah, I know, but you'd think saving him would also be something he'd be hesitant to do.He doesn't take all that many jabs at Shirou in Fate either. I remember hoping he'd show up a lot more than he did the first time I read it

>>120295667Because a story needs conflict and hardship or it isn't a story at all. Why do you think people fucking hate SAO so much? She can't use excaliblast cause Shirou doesn't provide her with mana like Kerry did. And even if she could, she doesn't use it casually as it is capable of incredible collateral damage.

>>120303930Archer likes Rin and he likes Saber. He probably bit the bullet in the Berserker fight for them more than anything. I mean even in UBW he was trying to set things up so Rin was in the war and got Saber as a servant. His business with Shirou was his own.

If he lived long enough in Fate, I assume he would have excecuted a similar plan to the one he was working in the next route. He just didn't get a chance to recover.

>>120298055This. Saber is the worst offender. Aside of blowing up grails and squids she hasn't really shown the kind of skill that justifies the hype around her. I mean she nearly got defeated by a flag of stairs for fucks sake.

Can we agree Saber is a shit fighter with OP equipement? Really aside of her ultimate beamsword and no sell defense she's nothing special.

>>120304259Her going head to head with Lancelot using Arondight and coming out even was pretty impressive considering she doesn't use a NP for that fight, Lancelot's stats are insane and he knew her fighting style in and out

Saber is practically just a human girl with a dragon mana core, and is a specialist in straightforward burst damage, 3rd level limit breaks and limited invulnerability. She goes against gods, demigods and humans with weapons which apply status changes or are specialized for killing. For her to take them on, fight and survive... I think that's a big feat for someone as small as her.

>>120304600Fucking HA. Did Saber seriously have no good scenes in that game other than the few plot scenes she was in? I've even see people say they enjoy Sakura's HA scenes, but no one says anything about Saber's.

>>120304697Straight up gods aren't allowed in the HGW in case you forgot. Plus Saber gets massive fame boosts everywhere, apparently, or else people wouldn't be able to recognize Excalibur on sight. She also gets fairy blessings and uses a holy sword and is also a CG to be, so she might get power from Alaya as well. She's not "just a girl", she trained to be a knight since she was a kid. She's a warrior who's just as qualified to be a Servant as any other Servant we see and quite a bit more qualified than certain other Servants.

>>120305108She doesn't get any power from Alaya, because she's not a CG. Archer as a Servant doesn't get that too. Plus, fame boost is only applicable if the Servant was summoned in their place of origin, like Ireland for Choochoo Train or Deermud.

>>120304404And Arondight is a dragonslaying sword. Having one's body powered by a dragon is more than enough to trigger it.The only thing in that fight that went in Saber's favor was Kariya's tank running dry at the last moment.

>>120305418Fame boost is applicable everywhere, it's just strongest at the point of origin. But for a Heroic Spirit as famous as King Arthur, it'd absolutely stand to reason she'd gain some power from it even outside Wales

>>120307012Is it even connected to Type-Moon beyond its content? From what I can find it doesn't look like TM is at all involved in publishing or adapting it.Might help to explain the sheer magnitude of the pedobait

>>120307228It's published in a magazine where most other VN manga series are published, and Prisma Illya herself had been exposed in the official character material that Type-Moon themselves released before Kaleid was a thing.

>>120308716We just have to wait for the seasons when big TM anime aren't airing. UBW S2 is going to be just as bad as S1, but I doubt 2wei Herz threads are going to draw the same crowd of shitposters when that starts airing, and the HF movie, being a movie, probably won't be on the public radar for as long as a TV series is. And of course there's the rest of this season.

People have been straining water out of the dry towel that is Fate/stay night for the last couple years. Check out anything that isn't a F/SN thread related to TypeMoon, the quality of posts is significantly better, especially if you find people who want to actually talk about it and not start another shitshow like this thread became.

>>120295667I know you're trolling but I'll bite because there are people who actually think this.1) The servants (and some of the masters) of this HGW are absolute fucking monsters in all respects, unlike F/Z's who all had general flaws with one critical advantage. Curses, direct counters, etc were the way F/Z rolls. F/SN is full of servants who are complete and utter monsters even before their Noble Phantasm comes into play, 2) She can't spam her trump card like she would in F/Z if Kerry had any common sense. Reason being that Shirou is barely providing any magical power at all due to his shit life force and od (as far as magus go).3) She jobs in F/Z too. She just finishes up every arc.4) The enemy masters are actually intelligent and let their servants use their own tactics properly. Shirou is the opposite, unfortunately, and keeps getting saber screwed up.5) Just wait until cour 2 to see how different the powerlevels are in FSN lmao.

now that I have a F/SN thread handy, I would like to ask something about Saber Alter

To how far did the blackening affect her personality? was it the blackening itself or the fact that she found out that she had been fighting and selling her soul for a wish that the grail would have not granted from even the beginning of the 4th GW?

>>120309929Saber really isn't that much of a powerhouse though. A pretty fucking large amount of Servants can handle her more than easily enough, and the only time she could ever be considered a major threat is when she is given Avalon

>>120295667Everyone to enjoy the UBW.Everyone, please Zero forget. Character is completely different.Saber and Kiritsugu and Archer are similar really well.They are efficient philosopher, and sacrifices easily his life for someone.I do not know the meaning of UBW sequel If you do not know it.

>>120310929Takuechi had a gun to his head for his comments at the Ufotable staff meeting.

>"Fate, as its core, isn't interesting. Saber just isn't a good heroine. Audiences will lose focus and won't want to watch it.Let's focus on Unlimited Blade Works and tunnel in Heaven's Feel after that."

>>120311638she isn't dead yet, she only has excalibur on fate/sn and zero, if she was dead and becomes a complete servant then she would have avalon, caliburn and Excalibur, then she would be op as fuck you surely didn't read shit did you?

"…… Um, Tohno-kun. How can you say that?I will admit that you have very good athletic abilities. Even though you have a weak constitution, your body itself is excellent."Slumping her shoulders, Senpai says something very surprising."…… R, really?"The tension seems to disappear, and I blurt that out in response.

"Yes. Tohno-kun, you got naked when you spent the night at my house. I saw you then. Not flabbiness, but tight muscles.You were far away, but I thought your body was very well-formed.""…… Naked-----But I, didn't get naked.""Did you forget? Tohno-kun, did you not change before you entered the bath?"Ah, that's right.Certainly I did take off my clothes and had her wash them for me---

>>120312914"---Oh? I thought you had completely disappeared, but you're awfully persistent, Shiki."I can hear a voice I shouldn't be able to hear."----!"I glance around the dark as best as I can.There,I see something I don't know about.

"What's this? How mean of you, Shiki.You've been looking for me for so long and when I come out, you don't remember me?"With an amused laugh, he stares at me with blood-shot eyes.

"-----"My mind, the only thing still working, freezes.

He didn't say it yet,But---I know he is a vampire.That he is the "Serpent" Senpai and Arcueid are looking for.

"…… No, that's wrong. Certainly I am the vampire known as the Serpent of Akasha.But to you, I'm not the Serpent, but rather, SHIKI, right?---Man, how cold of you. You make me look stupid for thinking about you all these eight years.Hey, don't you feel the same way Ciel?"He says that while looking at me.

"----!"Senpai. Is Senpai here?But where? I can't see her, nor do I sense her presence.If she is here, then why isn't she doing anything about him?In front of me. Right now, our enemy is in front of me………!

>>120304244>She can use Excalibur without causing any damage to anyone aside from her target.But in the bridge fight in HA she was concerned about just Excaliblasting Archer off the building because it would take out a lot of the downtown with him.

>>120313668That part where Saber literately flies to Archer and cuts him down was such bull shit. Even if Shirou were capable of blocking his arrows, even if Saber were able to change her flight path mid charge to throw off the arrow. neither of them would off been able to avoid that kill shot.

>>120310958>Takuechi had a gun to his headNot likely, he still wouldn't betray Saber after that.I think it's more likely somebody threatened to burn all his Saber fanfiction. Or maybe destroy the results of his experiments to clone Saber.Poor guy. He only wants some love.

She had good scenes like talking about her marriage to Guinevere and other glimpses in her past, like when she told that story about her relationship with Kay.

People like Sakura's stuff because it has interesting stuff about her growth. We even get to see a particularly strong instance of why Medusa pledged loyalty to her, which blows the misconceptions of a lot of people about her away. Plus she happens to be a damn good leader when we see the archery club stuff.

>>120315899And yet he chooses to ignore this warning.Lancer's not very smart.

>>120315505>People like Sakura's stuff because it has interesting stuff about her growth. We even get to see a particularly strong instance of why Medusa pledged loyalty to her, which blows the misconceptions of a lot of people about her away. Plus she happens to be a damn good leader when we see the archery club stuff.

This sounds interesting, I require proof. Because whenever I hear about Sakura in this game it's about her cockblocking Rider.

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