with that being said, the PW guy's behavior was totally uncalled for. From other stories I've heard about their encounters with other bands in the past, it sounds like a lot of the dudes in Pennywise are drunken assholes.

"Self-defense is an ancient defense that exists in most legal systems, and is predicated on the belief that people have a right to defend themselves from physical injury. Proving such a defense can be tricky since a defendant will generally have to demonstrate that self-defense was necessary, the belief of physical harm was reasonable, and that the response was reasonable. For example, responding to an assailant's threat to punch you by shooting them is almost certainly an unreasonable response."

And no i'm not saying it gets taken to that level, but self defense doesn't just come down to fighting back and getting away with it.

Someone hitting you and destroying your stuff. You swing back. You don't think you'd be okay?

Someone hitting you and destroying your stuff. You swing back. You don't think you'd be okay?

It depends on the situation, I've seriously have seen it go both ways and have even had it go negatively for myself.

I could post some witty article from a law site but that doesn't mean that is how it's gonna translate, that law site says you can attack the attacker first, how do you know that were attacking if you acted too quickly and how do you know the judge or jury won't find you as the "aggressor".

I don't care how much you hate a band. This was not cool on Pennywise's part. Dick behavior in my opinion. I myself can't stand Alesana but, i'm glad they're ok and hope they can get their bus fixed up.