ROTF "plotholes"

Okay, the other day at my school, me and my friends were at lunch talking about ROTF. One of them said there was a plothole: That the same shard Sam used on Jetfire, why didn't they just use it on Prime?
I tried to argue that it was important, but he wasn't listneing. Opinions?

But anyway,
1) He's completely shocked by Prime's death, and with Megatron right behind him, his #1 priority is to escape.
2) Considering he's #1 on the World's Most Wanted, there's no way he could get back to NEST HQ to give them the shard.
3) (Least convincing of my points) He had a sliver of he cube, a piece he could hold with two fingers. The shard Optimus pulled out was much larger. So maybe power varies with size, and the small sliver wouldn't have done the job?

But anyway,
1) He's completely shocked by Prime's death, and with Megatron right behind him, his #1 priority is to escape.
2) Considering he's #1 on the World's Most Wanted, there's no way he could get back to NEST HQ to give them the shard.
3) (Least convincing of my points) He had a sliver of he cube, a piece he could hold with two fingers. The shard Optimus pulled out was much larger. So maybe power varies with size, and the small sliver wouldn't have done the job?

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The sliver Optimus pulls out of Megatron was the one the U.S. Government had kept at NEST (remember at the cemetery when Optimus tells Sam the Last fragment was placed under human protection). The shard can only provide energon it can not repair a robot like the full all spark cube, or even the matrix. Remember the Decepticons kill a robot for parts before sticking the sliver into Megatron. The piece Sam has when he points it at JEtfire, it flies off his tongs and onto Jetfire. Even if it didn't it probably wouldn't work because OPtimus was stabbed and shot. Their was damage that needed repairing.

The sliver Optimus pulls out of Megatron was the one the U.S. Government had kept at NEST (remember at the cemetery when Optimus tells Sam the Last fragment was placed under human protection). It looks like shards are only capable of reviving one robot, or producing enough energon for one robotn. The sliver the Decepticons stole, the Doctor stuck into Megatron's spark. The one Sam pointed at Jetfire, if you notice, it flies out of tongs and onto the Jetfire.

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Um, yeah, I thought I implied that... And Optimus' shard (which was used to revive Megatron) seemed much bigger than the one Sam used on Jetfire and activated the kitchen bots with.

Here's the way I like to look at it. The shard Sam had was too small to resurrect a big bot like Prime. It only just had enough juice to make little bots. (Why the refrigerator and stove in the kitchen didn't transform.)

As for Jetfire, he wasn't dead. He was just in some sort of stasis.
The shard just gave him a little boost to "wake him up."

Like others have mentioned, he was in shock after the death, was trying to hide for his own life, and there's really no way he could have gotten to Prime anyways. Way too many people looking for him to get near headquarters.

Also, Prime was dead, so the shard wouldn't have brought him back to life anyways. Neither Megs nor Jetfire were truly dead. The Allspark overloaded Megatron's system, and put him into a sort of coma, while Jetfire had been sitting there in alt-mode for so long that he when into stasis lock. Both needed only a piece from the Allspark to bring them back to functioning. Prime needed a lot more than that to bring him back, and even then it was a big risk as the Matrix, while amazingly powerful, wasn't meant to bring lives back from the dead.

Basically, even if Sam could get the shard to Prime, it wouldn't have done him any good anyways.

tell your friends that a circular plot, no matter how inane or unbelievable, IS NOT A PLOT HOLE.

A plot hole is when one action, event, or line of dialogue contradicts another. For example: The case Wheelie is in is being transported by the car that Starscream cuts in half. No one is ever shown to retrieve it, and those who had it are also shown running away without it. Later, they have it in their possession. That is a plot hole.

But anyway,
1) He's completely shocked by Prime's death, and with Megatron right behind him, his #1 priority is to escape.
2) Considering he's #1 on the World's Most Wanted, there's no way he could get back to NEST HQ to give them the shard.

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This. Screw what I said about reading the prequel material. The more I think about it, most of these plotholes were formed from movie-goers lack of common-sense.

tell your friends that a circular plot, no matter how inane or unbelievable, IS NOT A PLOT HOLE.

A plot hole is when one action, event, or line of dialogue contradicts another. For example: The case Wheelie is in is being transported by the car that Starscream cuts in half. No one is ever shown to retrieve it, and those who had it are also shown running away without it. Later, they have it in their possession. That is a plot hole.

tell your friends that a circular plot, no matter how inane or unbelievable, IS NOT A PLOT HOLE.

A plot hole is when one action, event, or line of dialogue contradicts another. For example: The case Wheelie is in is being transported by the car that Starscream cuts in half. No one is ever shown to retrieve it, and those who had it are also shown running away without it. Later, they have it in their possession. That is a plot hole.

Not going directly from A to B is NOT A PLOT HOLE.

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That's a good point. Maybe the shard could have revived Optimus, but they were just too dumb to think of it.

At any rate I think it's pretty sloppy to resolve everything in the plot with so many magical devices and special powers. They better come up with something tight for TF3. "A wizard did it" doesn't cut it.

But anyway,
1) He's completely shocked by Prime's death, and with Megatron right behind him, his #1 priority is to escape.
2) Considering he's #1 on the World's Most Wanted, there's no way he could get back to NEST HQ to give them the shard.
3) (Least convincing of my points) He had a sliver of he cube, a piece he could hold with two fingers. The shard Optimus pulled out was much larger. So maybe power varies with size, and the small sliver wouldn't have done the job?