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How the hell is Sherk ranked over Frankie Edgar who just beat Sherk not too long ago???...Makes no sense. GSP as #1 P4P? TOTALLY agree. GSP is on another level!!!

Disco-Platypus- July 14, 2009 at 10:30 am

@ One Two

As I said, Fedor's last four fights - Arlovski, Sylvia, Hong Man Choi, Matt Lindland - were against poor competition: a fighter who was thoroughly thrashed by a [then] not top-ten opponent, and completely knocked senseless; a fighter who was destroyed by a geriatric boxer in :09; an inexperienced, untalented fighter whose subsequent fight was against Jose Canseco, and; a middleweight who had no business fighting the premiere HW in the world. Your point is moot.

GSP, on the other hand, has faced Thiago, Fitch, BJ, and Serra in his last four fights. Thiago was either the #1 or #2 WW in the world at the time he faced him; Fitch was undoubtedly the #2 WW in the world when he faced him; BJ Penn was in the pound for pound top five, and; well, there is no hyping up the Serra fight.

This is not the GOAT debate, it is the current P4P debate - put otherwise: a debate about who you've fought lately, not who you fought prior. Fedor needs a crushing victory over Barnett to be the unquestionable P4P # 1.

Disco-Platypus- July 14, 2009 at 10:23 am

Well, let us all breathe for a moment and put all the bullshit, bias and rhetoric aside for a moment; instead, let's do this by the numbers. The only fair way to determine the P4P #1 is to compare the recent achievements of each fighter relative to one another - in this case, we can start from Anderson's emergence into the UFC in 2006.

Over a span of nine fights, and twenty-nine rounds, GSP has lost - depending on the judge you speak to - two rounds: the TKO loss to Matt Serra, and a round [...or two...] to BJ Penn, both of which he resoundingly avenged. Of those nine fights, five were against current or former champions - BJ Penn [x2], Hughes [x2], Serra [x1] - and each of his opponents, aside from Serra, was ranked as one of the top three WWs in the world [not just the UFC] at the time of the fight, with BJ being in the Top Five P4P. And since GSP began dominating - say, after Hughes I - he has cleared one of the most dominant divisions in MMA history, in respects to sheer talent. (The only division that really compares is PRIDE HW division from 2003-R.I.P., with Hunt, Cro-Cop, Nog, Barnett, Coleman, Randleman, and, of course, Fee-aye-Dyor.) Finally, if you consider his reign from Anderson's entrance into the UFC, GSP actually holds six wins over UFC champions, as he defeated Sherk as well.

During the same period, Anderson Silva has an equal number of fights, with a total of eighteen rounds; of those eighteen rounds, he lost a round to Lutter, a round [...or two...] to Cote, a round to Henderson, and one [boring] round to Leites - a total of four/five rounds lost. Being generous and only giving one round to Cote, this means that Anderson has lost four out of a total eighteen rounds, whereas GSP has lost a total of two [or three] rounds out of a total twenty-nine. In terms of opponents, Anderson holds only three wins against current or former UFC champions - Franklin [x2] and Hendo - to GSP's five/six, and has cleared out the most resoundingly weak division in MMA. Aside from Hendo, none of his opponents during this reign were considered elite at the time he defeated them. The only thing which reasonably placed Anderson above GSP was his style of finishing fights, and his sheer accuracy and viscousness of striking; however, that Anderson has flown the coop, and; with it, his claim to P4P # 1.

Our last fighter, Fedor, fought six times during this period, with a total of seven rounds - of those seven rounds, he has not lost one of them; and, in fact, Mark Coleman was his last opponent since Cro-Cop to make it out of the second round. During this period, Fedor holds three wins - Sylvia, Arlovski, and Coleman - over former UFC HW champions; however, Sylvia's recent :09 crushing by Ray Mercer and Arlovski's mauling by a [then] not top-ten opponent remove the significance from these wins. As CP said, Fedor's quality-of-opponent has appreciably lessened his repute: Cro-Cop was his last opponent [...reasonably...] considered as one of the top three HWs in the world, and this is simply not enough to retain his position as the P4P # 1. If Fedor is to usurp GSP once more, he will need a convincing and dominant win over Barnett, in the same vein, or better, as GSP's crushing of his opponents of late.

Ok so i've NEVER been a huge Fedor fan, I can't even remember who it was that took him out by ref stoppage due to a cut right? So that was a sure shit loss for Fedor? as I remember for the last 3 yrs I've been on this site all you Fedor fucking nut huggers were saying that was a B.S. it was stopped due to a cut SO FEDOR FUCKING GOT CAUGHT TOO!! just as GSP did ONCE!! it can happen to any mutherfucker that steps into the octagon/ring!! Brock got caught with a leg lock ONCE! I bet you sure as shit don't see that happen again either! While I'm not turning this into a Brock vs Fedor topic (cause I am smart enough to know that we will never see that because Fedor will never sign with UFC even for a one off) My point is GSP is now ranked P4p best in the world as he should have been all along wether he got caught ONCE by that little midget you WILL not see that happen again

One Two- July 13, 2009 at 8:25 pm

fedors last four opponents about four minutes GSPs about hour n a half. serra isn't even ranked and he ruined GSP, so until fedor gets ruined by like justin mcully or something he easily beats GSP.

BackbaconBilly- July 13, 2009 at 8:22 pm

@ agentsmith...

If a guy can cut weight thats fine, that doesn't mean these guys should be able to pack on 20+ or more by fight night ( thats just "silly" ) but at least you attemted a half decent reply, except for the part about who would fight Lesnar.... cause who really gives a shit? I mean either make Lesnar actually weigh 265 come fight night or creat a super heavy division for him and all the other super heavy fighters out there, do you really think a guy should have a 40+ pound weight advantage over his opponent?? and still be considered a true heavyweight and not have to give up something to even the odds. Watchin Lesnar pound Mir's face into ground round was nothing short of a freak show! it wouldn't have been as likely to happen if he weighed the same or just slightly more than Mir.

I don't think Fedor would drop down to fight lighter opponents, he's a class act and doesn't need to make a cut to fight lighter weaker opponents, yea he fought Lindlan but Lindlan wanted the fight thats about the only example of him fighting a lighter man, usually he fights much bigger fighters.

@831 Son

if you can prove what I said was " straight up ridiculous and wrong" then be my guest and try.... if ya can't, then stick to your verbal bumfucks of Capslock Hal.

LAS- July 13, 2009 at 8:17 pm

Florian at number 3, that makes lots of sense considering he's 0-2 against top 10 LWs. Same thing goes for Mousasi. How the fuck can you be ranked top 5 in a weightclass when you've never even beaten an opponent who was or is top 10?

Cuntalope- July 13, 2009 at 5:43 pm

Wow, Brock Lesnar number 3 Heavyweight? Are you guys kidding. How is he not number 1. Clearly the best Heavyweight, stupid fucking rankings.

Kayoh- July 13, 2009 at 5:41 pm

Over all good list, but seriously, Shields above Alves?

Biffmiester- July 13, 2009 at 4:24 pm

Hey CP dudes, now that I looked over these rankings closely... how is Sean Sherk in the top 10 in Lightweight when Frankie Edgar destroyed him in every sense @ UFC 98. It was a definitive win on Edgar's part, I think... just a thought.

MGalactic- July 13, 2009 at 4:13 pm

At first I though Hal had actually written the first part of his post. Good writing. Nope, still retarded.

UFC fan- July 13, 2009 at 4:13 pm

I would put Diego at 4, and Carwin at 4 (in their respective divisions), otherwise I think all your ranking are as good as anything else I have seen.

MGalactic- July 13, 2009 at 4:11 pm

Ok. THAT"S IT. Why is Josh Barnett #2 in the world? No. All the MMA sites have been doing this. The three guys he has fought: Gilbert Yvel, Pedro Rizzo, and Jeff Monson. His last losses were to Noguiera....and Cro Cop. Three times. Ridiculous. Please Cage Potato. You guys are intelligent people. Don't buy into all the bullshit that sherdog and others peddle as facts.

Caveman Curtis- July 13, 2009 at 3:42 pm

All I've got to ask is why the hell Barnett is the number 2 best heavyweight? I could think of a handful of heavyweights who would destroy that tubs.

I cannot understand why Vitor Belfort wasn't even considered for this category. Although Affliction doesn't have the best middle weights in their promotion by any means, Vitor had a pretty impressive showing his last couple of fights. So much so that Dana White was impressed enough to even consider bringing back Belfort to the UFC. Shouldn't that be buzz-worthy enough to have his name in this category?

What amazing victory has Yushin Okami had lately anyway? Why is he still even a thought?

Well I guess the next time you update this category will be after Affliction Trilogy when Santiago and Belfort square off.

portland mma- July 13, 2009 at 2:16 pm

Its true, she was pulling off a killer dutch rutter.

portland mma- July 13, 2009 at 2:08 pm

Hal I have no clue why I would think Fedor who is 30-1 in his career could beat a guy that is 4-1...oh not being a fucking retard thats why. I love how much shit you talk and how you never have a fucking clue what you are talking about, honestly you spend like 10 hours a day on here and never have anything intelligent to add to anything. You think because you write in cap locks and started jacking off to TUF 2 years ago that you know everything. The only people who are stupid enough to agree with you are the same kids you have circle jerks with at your middle school in Alabama. Seriously, if you don't shut the fuck up i'll tell your Grandma not to let you stay up late to watch Raw tonight. By the way no one on here believes you are over the age of 14. You have horrible writing, gay tendencies and malnourished thoughts so shut the fuck up, you have nothing to add to anything. You're a straight up troll and a fucking stupid one at that.

whitey- July 13, 2009 at 2:01 pm

she sounds like "blurp blurp"

whitey- July 13, 2009 at 1:59 pm

when babyface shocks the world, will he still be #2? will lesnar be #1? if so thats just wrong
@hal13
your mom just said dinner's ready and u have to wash the dishes b/c her arms are sore from jerkin' off 831 and portland while she simultaneously sucked my dick!

agentsmith- July 13, 2009 at 1:55 pm

You win this time, HAL_13... this time.

whitey- July 13, 2009 at 1:53 pm

what a douche! he must really be 13! oh and there should be a top 5 dumbass referees so steve"the blind 'stache" mustachgatti can have all 5 spots

831 Son- July 13, 2009 at 1:49 pm

BackbaconBilly Says:

Until the fighters are ACTUALLY fighting at the proper weights, eg: lesnar cutting to 265 then ballooning up to 285+ or ALves around 190+ supposedly at welterweight, then the true rankings are skewed and don't really reflect accurately.

And besides there truley needs to be a super heavyweight division created lets say from 260 up, having lesnar fight in the heavyweight division is a joke!.

I say make the fighters hit the cut, and then give them a grace of 5lbs over walkin into the ring or the belt is off, or they give up a quarter of their purse ( the champions choice )

--- UH, NO DUMB ASS. That is straight up ridiculous and wrong.

HAL_13- July 13, 2009 at 1:47 pm

@ AGENTSMITH. I BET YOU CAN SHUT THE FUCK UP, AND KISS MY ASS YOU PRICK.

HAL_13- July 13, 2009 at 1:37 pm

@ AGENTSMITH. YOU HATE IT THAT I SCREAM TYPE IN CAPS LOCK, AND I HATE IT THAT YOUR STUPID ASS WHISPERS IN LOWER CASE. SHUT THE FUCK UP, AND STOP CRYING LIKE A LITTLE BITCH MIR...

agentsmith- July 13, 2009 at 1:36 pm

I bet when HAL gets really angry he types in all lowercase.

HAL_13- July 13, 2009 at 1:34 pm

@ PORTLAND MMA. WELL IF YOU WERE THEIR CHAMPION, AND THEY WERE WRITING ABOUT YOU I'D HAVE TO SAY THEY WOULD TELL US ALL HOW FUCKING IGNORANT YOUR STUPID ASS IS. DON'T HATE CAUSE LESNARS GREAT. YOUR PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE SHIT SUCKING FEDOR NUT SUCKERS ARE'NT YOU.JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY BEFORE YOU PISS ME OFF, AND I COME OUT THERE TO PORTLAND TO STOMP A BIG OL'FAT FUCKING MUDD HOLE IN YOUR GOOFY ASS.

agentsmith- July 13, 2009 at 1:33 pm

I love how you could readily tell which part was the quote from the UFC site, because it wasn't in all-caps.

portland mma- July 13, 2009 at 1:31 pm

As dumb as you are it still doesn't compare to what one two said.

"how the fuck can a guy who got knocked the fuck out by matt fuckin serra be p4p #1 he might be p4p best wrestler?

Thats like saying how can anyone put Fedor as their top p4p after he got cut by a guy named Tsuyoshi Kohsaka?

HAL_13- July 13, 2009 at 1:29 pm

SHARTACUS, YOU ARE JUST ONE RIGHT ON THE MONEY ABOUT THAT. NOW DON'T YOU FUCKING EVER FUCKING FORGET THAT EITHER BOY. YOU HEAR ME BOY. DON'T YOU EVER FORGET THAT.

portland mma- July 13, 2009 at 1:29 pm

Hal, wow that's some hard hitting research. The UFC writes good things ABOUT THEIR CHAMPIONS I'm shocked. I just can't believe they would write favorable things about their highest paid fighter. LOL what did you think the UFC's WRITERS would say about him?

agentsmith- July 13, 2009 at 1:28 pm

@ BackbaconBilly:

That's silly. Regardless of how much weight a guy cuts, if he can make weight and still be able to fight half-decently the next day, then I see no reason why he shouldn't be allowed in that division.

As for the super-heavyweight division, that's just as silly... name one guy above 265 who isn't just a big fat tub o' lard or a freakshow can. Who the fuck is Lesnar supposed to fight in that class, Butterbean? How bout Hong Man Choi?

Remember, Fedor could easily make 205lbs if he'd stop eating ice cream for awhile. If he tore through the LHW division and won a second belt, I bet none of you nuthuggers would bitch about that.

Old_Bald_and_Irish- July 13, 2009 at 1:19 pm

I can't really argue with GSP taking the #1 P4P spot. But if Fedor beats Barnett (and he will), I would argue Fedor retakes the top position or at least shares it with GSP.

Then you can say Fedor has beaten Sylvia (former 4 time UFC Champ), Andrei Arlovski (former 2 time interem and 1 time UFC Champ) and Josh Barnett (former UFC Heavyweight Champ, Pancrase Grand Prix Champ and currently ranked #2 heavyweight in the world).

...see, that sounds a lot more impressive than stuff like...oh..."fat slob", right?

agentsmith- July 13, 2009 at 1:18 pm

One Two Says:

how the fuck can a guy who got knocked the fuck out by matt fuckin serra be p4p #1 he might be p4p best wrestler
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Why? It says why right there in the article above... since that Matt Serra loss, in the last 2 years GSP has beaten 4 guys ranked in the top 5 in his division (not counting Serra), plus the #1 ranked champ from the weight class below (Penn), plus he avenged his loss to Serra.

Meanwhile in the same time frame, Fedor has beaten one top-5 guy (Arlovski), one top-10 guy (Sylvia), one freakshow can (Choi), and one guy from 2 weight classes below who I doubt was even ranked at the time (Lindland).

Sure Fedor's undefeated, but it's at least partly because a good number of the names on his record are cans. Prior to Sylvia, the last time he fought a quality opponent was Cro-Cop way back in 2005.

BackbaconBilly- July 13, 2009 at 1:15 pm

Until the fighters are ACTUALLY fighting at the proper weights, eg: lesnar cutting to 265 then ballooning up to 285+ or ALves around 190+ supposedly at welterweight, then the true rankings are skewed and don't really reflect accurately.

And besides there truley needs to be a super heavyweight division created lets say from 260 up, having lesnar fight in the heavyweight division is a joke!.

I say make the fighters hit the cut, and then give them a grace of 5lbs over walkin into the ring or the belt is off, or they give up a quarter of their purse ( the champions choice )

Fedor must soon fight in the ufc and take on the top 3 guys, then he can truly be called the worlds greatest H.W no questions asked.

shartacus- July 13, 2009 at 1:13 pm

HAL 13's a goddamn genius

Akilleez- July 13, 2009 at 1:13 pm

I understand why GSP was put #1 overall, because he has had tougher opponents than Fedor. But at the same time, its not Fedor's fault that there is very little competition in the heavyweight division.

At the same time, Fedor absolutely DESTROYS his opponents. Its not like hes showing signs of struggle with them. GSP dominates too, but he doesn't finish off his opponents like Fedor does. Fedor's last decision victory was in 2005 against CroCop. It was also the last time his opponent made it passed the 2nd round. And he hasn't gone passed the 1st round since 2006. Pretty impressive.

If Anderson Silva finished off his opponents like he used to, he would easily trump GSP and possibly Fedor for #1. I don't know...whatever...it really could go any way. They are all three the most dominant forces in MMA. Its all up for debate whose the best.

portland mma- July 13, 2009 at 1:07 pm

I agree with pretty much the whole thing but I don't think I'd put Aoki at #2 for LW's. He is one of my favorite fighters and one of the best sub grapplers out there, but I do not think he'd hold is own with some of the UFC's top 10 guys. Thanks for adding Nick and moving Shields up.

831 Son- July 13, 2009 at 1:02 pm

Well yeah he has. Just not finished..

One Two- July 13, 2009 at 1:01 pm

@831 you know whos never been caught? fedor

HAL_13- July 13, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Mir, who openly criticized Lesnar’s ground-and-pound technique heading into the fight, was so dominated in the Saturday night main event that he looked like he had just been jumped by a gang of baseball bat-wielding thugs. It was an emphatic victory by the champion, erasing any doubt as to who is the true champion.

It is scary to think that Lesnar is only five fights into his MMA career. If he continues with his unbelievable work ethic in the gym, then he may be in the early stages of the most dominant heavyweight run in history. He’s going to continue to improve by leaps and bounds each time out—beginners typically do—and that doesn’t bode well for future title hopefuls Cain Velasquez, Shane Carwin, and others. STRAIGHT FROM THE UFC WEB SITE SO ALL YOU LESNAR HATERS CAN JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP AT ANYTIME NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. I'D SAY YOU WILL NOT BUT I'LL WISH YOU ONE ANYWAY.

831 Son- July 13, 2009 at 12:52 pm

One Two Says:
Mon, 07/13/2009 - 12:09
how the fuck can a guy who got knocked the fuck out by matt fuckin serra be p4p #1 he might be p4p best wrestler

how the fuck can a guy who got knocked the fuck out by matt fuckin serra be p4p #1 he might be p4p best wrestler

Harry Russo- July 13, 2009 at 12:09 pm

Those are just like, your opinion man. Georges doesn't derserve pound for pound over Fedor.

RJeezy- July 13, 2009 at 12:08 pm

There really needs to be a cross promoted UFC-DREAM LW tourney. There's way too many good guys. And Alvarez screwed himself ranking-wise getting stuck in the exclusive Bellator contracts. Especially if Aoki and loses, he'd go up to #2 after the BJ-Kflo fight and would have no one to fight to keep the spot.

rh- July 13, 2009 at 12:02 pm

I hold anyone who ever had Alves in their p4p top-10 suspect...so the decision to supplant Fedor with GSP doesn't surprise--or convince me--a bit.

I still think you guys know jack shit about pound for pound.

rh

mayhem- July 13, 2009 at 11:59 am

No complaints here. I agree with all of those.

MadCowDzs- July 13, 2009 at 11:58 am

I don't think Barnett has been that impressive. If you watch his fights, he moves like a lumber jack. He may be a strong wrestler, but guys like Carwin, Valasquez and even the texas crazy horse would give him problems...not to mention the UFC Heavyweight Champ Brock Lesnar.

— Partly because we don’t have a bantamweight rankings page (yet?), I’d simply forgotten to include Miguel Torres on the pound-for-pound list. That insult stops today.
— Deep down, I believe that Fedor Emelianenko is the best fighter on Earth. But based on recent activity, I have to keep Anderson Silva as the pound-for-pound #1. If Fedor can smash another top-ten heavyweight this year, he’ll move into the top spot. Then again, if Silva can smash a top-ten light-heavyweight by the end of the year, he’ll comfortably stay where he is.
— Matt Lindland becomes the first fighter to leave the rankings after winning a fight. In my opinion, anybody who still thinks he’s a top-ten middleweight is living in the past. It’s been about six years since he’s beaten anybody even close to the top ten, and his less-than-thrilling decision win against the under-experienced Fabio Negao at Affliction: Banned suggests that he’d get smoked against anyone in the top 15. Just my $0.02.

Anyway, head on over and leave some comments on the individual weight class pages to let us know how you feel. And make sure to re-check ‘em in about ten days, as UFC 87 may have some serious impact on the 155- and 170-pound lists. Good day to you.

Cagepotato Comments

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Somebody explain BJ's continued appearance on these pfp lists for me. He hasn't even beaten the top guys in his class. When he has stepped it up against the best, he's lost. Riding his rep much? Let's see him clear out his division first.

Myles Kilometers- August 1, 2008 at 11:31 pm

Yah...I helped.

lifehostage- August 1, 2008 at 1:42 pm

you sux how do you even have tim sylvia anywhere near the top ten hes not even top 15

Rob- July 31, 2008 at 10:54 pm

holy crap those rankings are horrible.

Foley- July 31, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Nice job on the rankings. Sure I take exception with a few of them, but it's clear that you've spent some time thinking about the rankings, and that's appreciated.

lol- July 31, 2008 at 9:29 pm

jake shields and rich franklin are too high up

bee buh- July 31, 2008 at 9:10 pm

CAGE POTATO = EPIC FAIL

do some homework ben

ClownBaby- July 31, 2008 at 7:19 pm

the whole mma community should get behind WAMMA's rankings, they seem the most legit to me, and life would be easier if everyone was getting the same rankings.

Don't get discouraged CP ur just better at humorous rankings.

Shatteredhawk- July 31, 2008 at 7:15 pm

Yeah I agree with mostly all of you. For some reason they think us as reall MMA fans know nothing but whats on the ufc. We all do research on our favorite fighters and the top ones in the game today. some fighters were the shit a few years ago like CRO COP I love him but people get old and sick of the game. Like FEDOR and Randy couture they wont stay the best forever. thats just like having Ken Shamrock and Tank Abbot on the top ten.

Vrax- July 31, 2008 at 7:02 pm

"Matt Lindland becomes the first fighter to leave the rankings after winning a fight. In my opinion, anybody who still thinks he’s a top-ten middleweight is living in the past."

But yet - Cro Cop? That's weaksauce.

Plain old Kevin- July 31, 2008 at 6:43 pm

Penn should be about 7th or 8th. Has he really dominated the 155? No! There are several top 155ers that he has not even fought, but the list was not too bad. I have my favorites and would like to see others in certain spots, but that would not make the list very accurate.

BIG CHRIS- July 31, 2008 at 6:35 pm

@Blackleg-I am sorry but I have to disagree....Forrest Griffin's last 2 fights were against what some beleived to be the top 2 LHW's in the world....He choked out Shogun, and dominted "The Lord himself" for 5 rounds to win the belt...I say he is better PFP...IMO.

Blackleg- July 31, 2008 at 6:23 pm

BC: Maybe they are approaching it that PFP, Lyoto would be able to run his way to more victories than Forrest would standing and banging.

Mark- July 31, 2008 at 6:16 pm

I love this site, I really do and I check it at least twice a day but your rankings are terrible sorry.

Mark- July 31, 2008 at 6:15 pm

I love this site, I really do and I check it at least twice a days but your rankings are terrible sorry.

yes you- July 31, 2008 at 6:14 pm

your rankings suck

BIG CHRIS- July 31, 2008 at 6:00 pm

How is Forrest Griffin ranked 1 in Light heavy over Lyoto Machida and 10th overall under Machida….that is a huge contradiction??!! He should be higher in the overall rankings…