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The Watering Hole, Thursday, May 3rd, 2012: Here We Go Again (sigh)

Once again, my conservative friend has forwarded me a piece of crap in the form of an “awesome” litany of insults, lies, stupidity, and a hint of racism.

Here’s the intro:

“Since we are not going to get gasoline back to $1.50 per gallon and coffee to $2.00 per pound maybe this would be a solution we could live with.”

Is this supposed to imply that the prices of gasoline and coffee are controlled by liberals, or by the President? Any President? Several well-known Fox-News-conservatives certainly disagreed with the idea that the President could control the price of gasoline back when G.W. Bush was President.

“DIVORCE AGREEMENT — This is so incredibly well-put, and I can hardly believe it’s by a young person, a student!! Whatever he runs for, I’ll vote for him!”

Actually, it’s so incredibly juvenile, simplistic, and jingoistic, that I can only believe that it was written by a blowhard dickweed.

Apparently the author just picked a bunch of what he/she thought would be insults, regardless of their appropriateness (or actual definitions.)

“We have stuck together since the late 1950s for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.”

Hmmm…so far, “this latest election process” has consisted of 20+ Republican debates. Hell, after watching most of those debates, I want a divorce from Republicans.

“Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.”

It’s a little too late to “end it on friendly terms”, especially when you start off with insults.

“Here is a model separation agreement:

1. Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by land mass, each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy. Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides had such distinct and disparate tastes.”

Again, there is no way that “our two sides can come to a friendly agreement”, nor would it be “relatively easy” or “effortless.” Let’s say that the Republicans/conservatives can keep the red southern states; you know, the states that the blue northern states have been helping to support with our ‘donor taxes’ for lo these many years; the states that have the highest rate of diabetes and infant mortality; the states that eschew science and would prefer that citizens be ruled by a theocracy – yup, you Republicans can keep those, we don’t want ’em.

If “the liberal judges” is supposed to refer to the justices on the Supreme Court, that’s not fair, as their aren’t any: there are one or two moderate Supreme Court justices, and yes, we’ll take them, thanks. And the ACLU, too, we’ll be happy to keep them: why wouldn’t we want an organization whose sole purpose is to defend the civil rights of United States citizens?

“4. Since you hate guns and war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military.”

Yes, liberals hate war. Do Republicans LOVE war? Do they love having their children or spouses killed, maimed, mentally broken? Do conservatives seriously believe that only conservatives own guns? The NRA can go fuck itself, unless it would like to stick with firearm safety and leave politics alone. We liberals will keep the cops, because we prefer law and order to civilian vigilantism and “Stand Your Ground” bullshit laws. And we’ll also keep the military, thank you very much, because we not only value their service, we value their lives after they come back to the country which they (and their families) have sacrificed so much to defend. Conservatives haven’t done anything to invest in our military personnel, whether it’s for proper equipment to help reduce casualties, or for medical and rehabilitative services, or employment training and opportunities once they’re back home.

“5. We’ll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and you can go with wind, solar, and bio-diesel.”

Fine, no argument there. Conservatives can keep their finite, polluting energy resource, and liberals will work towards a viable future utilizing renewable energy resources. But conservatives are going to have to figure out how to keep their pollution out of our clean air and water – and they’re going to have to pay for it themselves.

“6. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, and Rosie O’Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.”

WTF? Oprah’s a liberal? Gee, she used to be the darling of millions of woman, regardless of political ideology! Was it the Palin interview? Aww, are conservatives upset because Oprah didn’t kiss Sarah’s flag pin? Well, I guess that we’ll take her, and definitely Michael Moore, but Rosie O’Donnell? Just because she’s a liberal doesn’t mean that we have to LIKE her, or that we agree with every word she says. Liberals are not sheep like conservatives. We chastise liberals who act like idiots, and don’t blindly defend them.

No argument from me on this one. We’ll work with regulated, fair capitalism (i.e., I prefer my food untainted, thanks; and “caveat emptor” is no way to run a country); we’ll buy any drugs we need from Canada; and we’re already happy to avoid Wal-Mart. Are conservatives happy to support the multi-billionaire Walton family, along with the Chinese who make most of Wal-mart’s wares, and the vultures on Wall Street? You DO realize that they don’t give a rat’s ass about YOU, don’t you?

Now, here’s where this really starts pissing me off, especially since it’s Republican policies that help to keep people on welfare and food stamps from getting OFF welfare and food stamps: if recipients of these benefits are lucky enough to get a job where they can actually start saving money to improve their situation, their benefits are automatically cut back, leaving them back in the same situation in which they started.

“Homeless homeboys?” Isn’t that a tad racist? There ARE homeless people, including thousands of homeless military veterans, who are not all “homeboys” (in your euphemism.) “Hippies, druggies?” As a hippie-ish druggie, I personally resent those supposed insults: I have a job, and I work hard for my meager living. “Illegal aliens?” Conservatives revile them, despite the fact that LEGAL aliens of various ethnic backgrounds were each reviled in their turn over the last century or so. Just because some of your ancestors came to America through the front door doesn’t mean that they were any less hated than the current immigrants coming in through the back door.

You can have ’em, but you have to realize that the “greedy CEOs” have no use for the “hot Alaskan hockey moms” and the “Rednecks.” Nor do the “greedy CEOs” have any use for YOU, except as shills.

“10. We’ll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood ..”

Deal.

“11. You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.”

If by “make nice” you mean “won’t bomb them back to the Stone Age”, agreed. But since liberals are keeping the military, you’re going to have to figure out your own way to “invade and hammer” places that “threaten” you (and I’m guessing that by “threaten” you mean “won’t bow down to your imaginary awesomeness.”)

“12. You can have the peace-niks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide them security.”

Again, not without the military you won’t. And, since your “way of life” will be comprised of greedy CEOs, polluting fuels, and insular, ignorant citizenry, I doubt if you’ll have very many allies for long.

“13. We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.”

Too late, you lost them already. What passes for Christianity in this country bears no resemblance to the Christianity that Christ taught.

“14. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness, and Shirley McLain. You can also have the U.N., but we will no longer be paying the bill.”

All religions will be tolerated in our liberal country, unless they try to force their religious beliefs on non-believers, either personally or through legislation. We’ll keep Humanism; political correctness is just a demonisation of politeness/tact/diplomacy; I have nothing against Shirley McLain; and we’ll be glad to have the U.N. – since we get New York, it’s ours anyway. Conservatives sure are insular!

“15. We’ll keep the SUV’s, pickup trucks, and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.”

Fine – you’ll just run out of gas that much sooner while you’re going broke paying for that gas.

“16. You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors..”

Conservatives would be surprised to know just how many good doctors support universal, government-run healthcare. And cutting out the HMO middlemen will help to pay those doctors reasonable fees for care. On the other hand, you don’t get to keep Social Security, disability payments, or Medicare.

“17. We’ll continue to believe healthcare is an earned luxury and not a right.”

So, conservatives truly believe that if you can’t afford a doctor, you can just go ahead and die. Alan Grayson was right. Thanks for admitting it, you sick fucks.

“18. We’ll keep “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” and “The National Anthem.”

No. You can have “The Battle Hymn [there’s an oxymoron] of the Republic”, and we’ll throw in “God Bless America”, but we’re keeping the National Anthem.

“19. I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute “Imagine”, “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”, “Kum Ba Ya,” or “We Are the World”.

Well, we’re keeping the National Anthem, but we’ll use “Imagine” for the Seventh Inning Stretch. BTW, I learned “Kumbaya” (yes, that’s the correct way to write it) in CATHOLIC SCHOOL, so if you think that you’re being insulting, you’re only insulting the Catholic nuns who taught it to me. So much for those Christian values, eh?

“20. We’ll practice trickledown economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.”

Good luck with that. “Trickledown” aka “voodoo” economics hasn’t worked, not under Reagan (who raised taxes several times – did you know that little factoid?), not in eight years under G.W. Bush. And in our liberal country, since taxation will be distributed more fairly, the poorer among us will have more disposable income to pay for goods and services and create more jobs.

“21. Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our history, our name and our constitution and our flag.”

No way in hell. You can have the Confederate flag, since you’re getting the southern states and the rednecks.

“22. Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I’ll bet you answer which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.”

We’ll agree to the compromises as outlined above. And you’ve already abandoned the “spirit of friendly parting”, so I’ll just answer with ‘good luck” – you’re going to need it.

You can keep Ted Turner (any asshole who thinks that colorizing classic black-and-white films, and who doesn’t know what a “balk” is in baseball, is useless), but we’ll hang on to the others just for fun.

“P.S.S..: And you won’t have to “Press 1 for English” when you call our country.”

We will if we want to hear correct English. And it’s “P.P.S”, as in post post scriptum.

“Forward this every time you get it! Let’s keep this going; maybe some of it will start sinking in!”

Oh, it’s already sunk in that conservatives are, for the most part, greedy, selfish, faux-Christians. No need to forward it to anyone belonging to the human race.

If you think that only conservative Republicans stand behind or serve in the military, think again. I know one particular liberal, who spent five years serving OUR country in our U.S. Air Force, who is highly insulted by this tripe.

All responses by Jane E. Schneider
Liberal, U.S. Citizen, Patriot

P.S. Liberals also get to “keep” all of the women who don’t want your government interfering with their medical and reproductive choices.

“16. You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors..”

After having listened to Rachael’s segment about Dr. Carl Reddix in Mississippi last night, I could only think, Yeah, sure. The only doctors that will be acceptable to these rightwing bigots will be white males – with the exception of maybe Granny Moses from the Beverly Hillbillies.

1. Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by land mass, each taking a similar portion.

That’s okay. I think we’ll keep the East and West coasts and you guys can have the middle of the country. And we’ll charge you a lot to have your goods shipped through our ports and deny you the right to fly through our air space. How’s that?

I guess it’s good to know that I’m not the only one that gets crackpot emails.
Here’s one that I got.
It belongs on the hatemailaplooza

The Coming Race War in America was published in 1996 by Carl Rowan, the black columnist and former ambassador to Finland. The title is not ironic. He foresaw a major racial explosion. The book of course was furiously ignored. It should not have been. It dealt with an apocalyptic vision that has lurked around the edges of American consciousness since before the Civil War. And still does. We just don’t talk about it.

What has this to do with Zimmerman?

This: Our racial policy has proved a disaster. Sixty years after Brown vs. the School Board, blacks have not assimilated. They constitute a separate people having almost nothing in common with the surrounding European society. They fiercely maintain their identity with their own music, dialect, customs, dress, and names. All attempts to turn them into middle-class whites in darker packaging have failed. Only relentless governmental pressure forces an appearance of partial integration.

Let’s consider a few awkward facts that loom ghoulishly above the body politic, which seems to be decomposing. First, on every known measure of cognitive ability, on IQ, SATs, GREs, everything, blacks average about one standard deviation, fifteen IQ points, below whites. The gap is a fact. It exists. It is reflected in performance. It has proved intractable. In a technological civilization that rewards intelligence, the deficit sharply limits legitimate access to the higher reaches of money, power, class, and prestige.

Second, blacks continue to show little interest in schooling. Exceptions and degrees, yes. Yet consider cities such as Washington, which usually has a black mayor, black city council, mostly black school board, black staffs in the schools, black parents, black students, a high per-capita expenditure—and perhaps the worst schools in the country. This is a fact, and shows no signs of diminishing. It is repeated in countless cities.

If the United State had large numbers of manual jobs that paid a living wage, as for example assembling cars, things might not be so bad. But the United States no longer has many such jobs. The economy has no need for huge numbers of people who read at the level of second-graders, if that. The existence of these people is a fact. When such jobs exist, as for example on police forces, better qualified whites are invariably available. Without remedial intervention, the academic and professional worlds, the managerial ranks of blue-collar trades, would turn almost pure white, and there would be actual hunger in the inner cities.

The solution, to the extent that it can be called a solution, has been a combination of welfare and affirmative action. Each has produced its own kind of dependency. Whites in their own way depend on welfare payments to blacks in that ending welfare would send the cities up in flames. We now have dense concentrations of unemployed, unemployable blacks leading meaningless lives in rotting cities. They are angry, blame whites for their troubles, and do not have a lot to lose. The torching of Los Angeles in 1992 is endlessly repeatable. Only a spark is needed.

None of this improves, and it seems to be getting worse. On the Drudge Report and elsewhere on the web, video after cell phone video appears of pack-attacks by feral blacks on whites and Asians. These attacks often result in brain damage: the attackers are trying to hurt the victims badly, and usually laugh while doing it. Other videos time and again show black teenagers looting Seven-Elevens. The perpetrators show no signs of worry about being caught. They know that white police wouldn’t dare arrest thirty black adolescents.

Whites are frightened of blacks. They are afraid of taking the wrong exit from the freeway and ending up in a black ghetto. They are afraid when they pass young black males in a dark neighborhood. White women clutch their purses and cross the street, try not to get into elevators with them. The fear, seldom mentioned, determines where whites live, where they go, and where they send their children to school.

This unacknowledged fear engenders unacknowledged consequences. When white men buy guns, journalistic organs of that prissy rectitude we call political correctness—the Washington Post, probably National Review—speak of gun nuts, psychosexual inadequacies, and sordid fantasies. Hardly. The purchasers of guns have in mind defending their families should the need arise. The buyers do not fear attack by Jewish violinists.

Government also is afraid of blacks. Los Angeles burned because blacks didn’t like the outcome of a trial. Recently cities in England went up because a policeman shot a black. The Zimmerman shooting looks very similar, and blacks are very angry. Jesse Jackson has said that Trayvon was “hunted down like a rabid dog in the street,” that he was “murdered and martyred,” that it was a “hate crime.”

These are the words of a man looking for a fight. One may be available. Charging Zimmerman with murder buys time. If he is acquitted….

The signs are ominous. Tension rises in America. Incomes fall, foreclosures rise, jobs go east, police powers increase, trust in government evaporates, and expectations for the future decline. An unfocused edginess germinates. It is not a recipe for domestic tranquility.

The response of whites to riots by blacks has always been to back away. This prudence, as it is thought to be, has been enforced by the government. If a minority in Russia started burning cities, the army would shoot the rioters on sight. America doesn’t work that way, or hasn’t recently. The lack of consequences for beatings and flash-mobbings, the history of saying “racism” and walking, produces a sense of untouchability in blacks. It could be a mistake.

A spring is being wound. On one hand, when you live in a sprawling tightly packed concentration of people like yourself, it is easy to forget that you are very much a minority, that the majority holds all the high cards, and that food doesn’t really come from Safeway.

On the other hand, via the internet whites now know of the racial attacks, and grow quietly very sick of them. There is among many white men an undercurrent of “Bring it on.” This is not confined merely to cops, soldiers, conservatives, Southerners, westerners, the rural and the blue-collar. You can find it, carefully hidden, in federal offices and even among men in newsrooms. The extent of this sentiment is easy to underestimate. Those who share it don’t dare express it, and most journalists live in ideological bubbles.

Sigh. Not only am I not afraid of blacks, interracial marriage is a fact in many of my friends’ families. I can only hope his brand of assholes like the writer of this tripe die out quickly, another generation or two should be enough.

The guy (JT Ready) was a long-standing neo-Nazi, also a (former) “friend” of Russell Pearce who helped Ready convert to Mormonism a few years back. He was running for Sheriff of Pinal County as a Democrat, according to TPM, “not for its current platform but because of its history with racism. It was the party, he noted, that brought about Jim Crow laws and harbored Alabama’s segregationist former Gov. George Wallace.”

Ready pretty much defined the conservative “nirvana” described in Jane’s excellent Watering Hole post this morning; he was racist, stupid, greedy, armed to the teeth, filled with hatred, … and did I mention ‘stupid’?

He was running for Sheriff of Pinal County but he lived in Gilbert. He listed the address of a friend, Harry Hughes, another member of the National Socialist Movement who also took part in armed border patrols with Ready… (sounds like election fraud to me).

Hughes said: “I think this is horrible. I want everyone to know J. T. Ready was the last person on Earth I’d figure to have done anything to hurt a child. It really caught me off guard. Despite all of the rhetoric and the stuff we’re going to hear about him being the evil Nazi, he was a good man.”

Domestic terrorists, terrorizing their own families.
Why can’t these assholes just go into the desert with a gun and one bullet, then wound themselves and die all by themselves.
We just had a nutcase in North Bend, Washington kill his family, set his house on fire, then retreat to a bunker complex he’d built illegally in the mountains. The Sherrifs found him within a day or two, and he killed himself inside his Hitlerish bunker.
Please, assholes of the reichwing, kill your fucking selves all you want, leave your families with their future.

Great post Jane! I hope you e-mailed your responses to your conservative friend and used reply-all. I find myself longing for the liberal world you envision. The new conservative country wouldn’t last ten years. They’d go broke trying to pay for their first war. Without the graduates from those damned elitist liberal universities, their only weapons would be the guns they’ve hoarded and rocks.

Jane *please do* send a reply to your “friend” as you have posted it here. These people are sick. A reply will never change their thinking. BUT it might give her pause before including you in the list of her ilk.
I used to get this stuf also. The senders got a cease and desisit from me. those who ignored it, got blocked. ignorant buffoons like them, I personally do not need.

GREAT post Jane. These idiots haven’t got a clue.
Within five years their roads will be undriveable, their water undrinkable, their air unbreatheable.
Oh, and BTW, my cancer surgeon, and his surgical team colleagues, to a doctor, support single payer.
I have only one word for Mr. Hall.
Hyuck!

I don’t know why they would want to keep the cops (they belong to a union) or the military (purely a socialist organization — they get free housing , free health care, free food, free clothingen, etc.). But then again, they aren’t exactly critical thinkers over there on the right.

It sounds like the south is going to be a pretty lonely place for men because most of the women will be migrating to the north. But then again, they can just participate in the nightly circle jerks.

Lots of foaming and barking in the comments about Obama “lying”. Yet in the front of the book he makes it clear that some of the characters are “composites.” Whine whine. “He made up a conversation about a discussion on race with a fake white girl.” Because, I suppose, that conversation never took place nor any other conversation on the subject in his years at school. He’s not citing a particular person as a source, he’s describing his experience with white people. Sheesh.

The easy call would have been to bomb the compound without regard to who was there or collateral damage. The difficult call was to send in a surgical strike team and risk the lives of American soldiers. Something Donald Rumsnamara never had any qualms about.

I lived in AZ for more than forty years, loved the physical part of the state, the canyons, forests, valleys, mountains, deserts, etc. Moving away wasn’t all that much of a trauma, though, certainly not the part about saying goodbye to and leaving the nutjobs to their own devices.

I’ve gotten fond of the snow, actually. I don’t care much for the summers though, too hot. Sometimes it even gets up into the low nineties. Of course, when that happens the front range is only 8 miles up the road and we can be at 9000 ft in fifteen or twenty minutes. Easy cool-down. The thing I like least about CO is the wind in the spring. We get lots of bluster here, enough to blow your hat off when you’re walking. Not good. Not good at all. But that’s only for about two months, then things settle down for the rest of the year and the only bluster is on Fox News. Which is the other problem besides the wind: too damn many Republicans out here in the rural sticks. Stix? You know.

There is also a map about Jesusland but I think it gives away too much territory. It also fails to take into account shifting demographics in the SW; I’m not sure the people who will be there in 20 years want to be associated with the RWNJs.

I have to keep my truck till I can afford an electric car. My S.S. raise for this year of $31 per month isn’t quite enough. Maybe next year! Actually, my van is only 17 yrs old this month, so it’s still got a lot of life left in it. When it gets to be as old as I am, though, I’ll start to worry for it. 😀

In a letter outlining al-Qaida’s media strategy ahead of the tenth anniversary of 9/11, the terror group’s top spokesman expressed disdain for Fox News.
“From the professional point of view, they are all on one level—except [Fox News] channel which falls into the abyss as you know, and lacks neutrality too,” al-Qaida spokesman Adam Gadahn wrote in the January 2011 letter. The paper was one of a selection of more than 6,000 pages of documents seized during the May 1, 2011, raid that killed Osama bin Laden, which West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center released on Thursday.

Yep. Those were the days when “less” was definitely MORE. They were, of course and obviously, very evil times, very sinful etc. But, as someone once said, “I know it’s a sin, but I’ve always enjoyed sinning.”

The fact that it was a tweet led me to suppose that it was entirely a matter of public consumption. So, w/o your permission (sorry, I’m usually more meticulous) I just shared it on my FB page as “The most awesome tweet of the day.”

BTW, since I tweet under my real name and use it here, too, feel free to share any of my tweets, whether you see them here or on Twitter. If I didn’t want them publicly disseminated, I wouldn’t publicly disseminate them myself.

I feel the same way about my stuff. Still, I had an awkward moment of wanting to share it now but realizing I might not be assuming a lot, but I still was assuming some. And for all of that, impulse control obviously lost …

More news coming in on the JT REady shooting in Gilbert, AZ yesterday. It appears that this guy was really close to Russell Pearce, who is running for re-election after being recalled earlier this year. Hopefully, this will keep Pearce out of the AZ Senate for good.

Just got my husband’s Sports Illustrated in the mail and the cover is the wording of Title IX and a very nice article. Title IX just celebrated it’s 40th anniversary.

It was a interesting time. I remember Billie Jean King beating Bobby Riggs in the battle of the sexes. Women were burning their bras…(pachy 😉 ) And I was becoming a feminist without knowing it. I was just entering junior high and us girls were allowed to play sports for the school for the very first time. We got to play volleyball and basketball.

But most people don’t realize that it wasn’t just sports that it affected… it also opened up women’s access to law schools and med schools and other universities. (Something I didn’t even realize until I heard Billie Jean King speak a few years ago.) And now that greater than 50% of university students are women, I can say that yes, “we’ve come a long way, baby.”

(Maybe that’s why the GOP is so intent on shoving us backwards in time?)

In 1970 I did not want to take Home Economics, I already knew how to cook and sew. I wanted to take Drafting, and was forbidden to do so. I was 12, and couldn’t understand why I had to explain myself to the principal. I didn’t even need a bra at 12, I just wanted to learn something.

“Mars Exploration Rover Spirit captured this stunning view (link below) as the sun sank below the rim of the Gusev crater. The filter combination used to take this image allows false colour images to be generated that are similar to what the human eye would see, but with the colours slightly exaggerated. Because Mars is farther from the Sun than Earth is, the Sun appears only about two-thirds the size that it appears in a sunset seen from Earth.”

The view of our sun setting from a Martian landscape. What an amazing time we live in.

Still on the “Divorce Paper” here: I have issues with a few concepts in it:

Things like taxes, judicial procedure/systems, type of police force, size of military, foreign policy, military strategy, types of industry (oil, solar, etc. – but not specific corporate entities (GM, Monsanto, etc.)), type of economic structure, form of government, relious beliefs, value systems, etc. are not anyone’s sole possessions to ‘keep’ or ‘deny’: these are not items to be divided, as their existence is not unique and exclusive: for example, both places would likely have SOME kind of taxes, and both could have the identical system.

As the whole point of this ‘divorce’ is to create “Lib-land” and “Con-land”, any person must live in his or her respective “land”, therefore “liberal judges” would live in Lib-land, and conservative judges would live in Con-land. The “cops” and military also go to their respective bloody sides based on personal ideology. The progressive minded soldiers do not go to Con-land.

And no one gets to “own” history. What does that even mean? Con-land’s history begins when Con-land is born.

Is the email problem resolved? My boxes are not checked at this time, but I haven’t checked that email account. It does sound like a WP problem, so if it’s still going on in the morning, put up a comment to that effect, and I’ll check the WP forums for clues.