The PS4 takes the ‘pure gaming machine’ thing way too far

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The PlayStation 4, which is released today, is an odd proposition. On the one hand, it only costs $400 — but on the other, you really don’t get a whole lot for your money. The launch games for the PS4 are a mixed bag, with the PS4-exclusives Killzone: Shadow Fall and Knack really not strong enough to justify the $400 price tag. Yes, games like NBA 2K14 and Battlefield 4 are excellent — but they’re also available on the Xbox 360 and PS3, which you probably already own. But there are never any good games at launch, you say — and you’re right. It’s not that I even expect a new console like the PS4 to launch with good games — that’s simply not how it goes.

What does irk me, however, is that Sony went so far with the “pure gaming machine” thing that it removed some very useful, non-gaming features, such as local and LAN media playback. With the PS4, you basically have the choice of playing games, downloading content from PSN, or streaming content from Netflix or Hulu — and that’s it. The PS3, on the other hand, was basically a home theater PC that would play anything you threw at it, from photos and videos and MP3s on a USB stick, to streaming DLNA over the network, to playing TV shows and movies from a shared network folder. You could even use the PS3 to browse your holiday snaps on the biggest and best screen in the house.

The USB stick, it does nothing!

A very expensive and attractive brick

The PS4 is a big tease. From the outset, we are told that the PS4 is very similar to a PC — and we know, from our low-level analysis, that the PS4 really is close to being a PC. There are no less than four USB sockets — two on the front and two on the back — but don’t get too excited: they only work with a limited number of peripherals. You charge the DualShock 4 controller via the USB sockets, and if you had a USB keyboard you could plug that in as well. These USB sockets do not support external storage. When I plugged in a USB thumb drive, absolutely nothing happened — not even an on-screen prompt telling me that the PS4 is incompatible with external storage.

PS4 TV & Video menu

The USB stick had a range of files on it — JPEGs, PNGs, an MP4 video file — but try as I might, I couldn’t get the PS4 to recognize it. On the PS3, if you browsed to the Video menu on the XrossMediaBar, all you had to do was plug the external USB drive in and start watching local videos instantly. On the PS4, there is a TV & Video section in the main menu, but all it lets you do is launch Netflix and other streaming services. There is a Video Playback area in the Settings menu, but it’s just a tease: There’s nothing exciting in there.

PS4 Video playback settings: What a tease!

When it comes to DLNA or playing files over the network (via a samba share or similar), the PS4 again draws a blank. The PS4 only seems to connect to local peripherals (controllers), and Remote Play/second screen devices (PS Vita, smartphones with the PlayStation app). We hoped that you’d be able to stream photos and videos from your smartphone or PS Vita to the PS4 — but that doesn’t seem to be possible either. Curiously, there doesn’t seem to be any way to view still photos on your PS4. It’s possible that Sony cameras will have some magical way to interface with the PS4, but we didn’t try it. It also isn’t possible to take photos or videos with the PlayStation Camera, or to easily get them off the console — again, a major regression from the PS3.

What amazes us is that you don’t get any feedback at all from the console when you try to use a USB drive. Imagine the frustration for someone upgrading from a PS3, only to find out that the PS4 doesn’t support a (very) rudimentary feature that was previously available. There’s no mention of the lack of support for external storage on the PS4 box, incidentally.

Welcome to Sony’s walled garden, please enjoy your stay

Gone are the PS3 glory days of streaming video from a network share

In short, the PS4 now only allows you to play content that is approved by Sony. You can play games, you can purchase TV/movies/music from the PlayStation store, and you can stream Netflix and other premium services. If you want to watch a TV show, movie, MP3, or family photo album that you’ve acquired through non-Sony channels you cannot do so on your PS4.

As for why Sony has crippled the PS4’s home theater functionality, there are three likely reasons: Preventing piracy (Sony has significant interests in TV and cinema); increasing the amount of revenue generated from digital downloads; or maybe it was just that Sony ran out of time and had to ship without home theater functionality. It’s entirely possible — if the USB sockets themselves haven’t been crippled in some way to prevent external storage — that Sony could add local and network media playback with a software update.

It will be interesting to see if the Xbox One has local and LAN media playback, or if Microsoft also takes the draconian, DRM-content-only approach. Given how good Netflix is, and how easy it is to legally acquire most TV shows, movies, and albums (in the US!), we wouldn’t be surprised if both the PS4 and Xbox One make it very, very hard to play local content. This could be a rather big issue if you previously used your PS3 or Xbox 360 as a media center, or if you live in a country that doesn’t have easy access to digital distribution and media streaming — i.e. anywhere outside the US and some parts of western Europe.

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Max

Well, i guess that settles it. I guess i will be getting a gaming laptop instead. I don’t want to put up with this closed wall DRM nonsense. I prefer freedom with my devices. That’s why i didn’t get the PS3 Because of what they did to George Hotz! Now i will not get the PS4 either and will get a gaming laptop instead where i can do what i want with it!

IKROWNI

good job, but i would get a steam machine if your looking for portability and something like a console or even a desktop so this way you can at least upgrade it as time goes by. with a laptop there are still hardware restrictions you will run into.

Phobos

steam machine??

Just a guy

Steam machine is a new console “set” being released by steam, the current major gaming group for PC. Link below, its what I might get as well, it seems less restricted then the major 3 consoles, and more powerful then the OUYA.http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamMachines/

IKROWNI

it can also be opened and updated as often as you please and will save you hundreds on games in just the first year alone. i would expect even there lowest level entry steam machine to still destroy the ps4 and xbone in hardware specs.

Phobos

funny its not a steam machine, just another pc sense you can pretty much install windows or other OS I don’t need another pc.

IKROWNI

Ahhhh that’s cute you think these consoles are anything more than computers that are locked up and dumbed down.

Falcon D. Stormvoice

Cute, you think that a gaming PC is anything more than an expensive console that is weighed down by bloated operating systems, and held back by non-specific, all-purpose hardware amalgamations.

IKROWNI

And isn’t that sweet how steamOS is being created to fix those types of issues, and that other thing called mantle that will make having mixed and various hardware easily be optimized for the users. So come on man your gonna have to try harder than that. Just saw how anyone can argue for a system that doesn’t have anything going for it at all. Its a box that plays 720p games at 30fps has no media playback capabilities can’t be upgraded already shipped with HDMI issues allows no external media storage can’t be customized in the slightest and costs $400-$500 WTF are you thinking my roku is 1080p my TV is 1080p almost everything I have is 1080p the Wii u is 1080p my PC will soon be doing 4k, almost everything I have has external storage options even my router if I wanted to. And your gonna sit here and tell me with all this new stuff we have available to us right now your gonna pay that much to take a step back in time?

Phobos

Steam OS, now what exactly does it do?

IKROWNI

Allows you to install its own operating system on another partition allowing you to separate your gaming from your everyday tasks on windows. Tasks such as updates/patches/drivers/optimizations will take place in the background so you get what looks like console type ease of use but you get to use any hardware you want. With the availability of xbmc also on Linux like steamos I’m sure media playback will never look better. Also with steam you can allow your friends to borrow games from your steam games library. So if you and I were friends on steam you and I could trade games back and forth for free and play those games in multiplayer and from beginning to end in campaign modes. Along with steamos will most likely come source engine 2. And possibly one of the most saught after games for along time the much rumored half life 3. Gabe Newell already stated that they have been waiting for a game worthy to debut source engine 2. Look it up lots of cool and interesting things coming soon. DDR4 being a major PC upgrade at 2x the speed of ddr3 which is what will be in the xbone. AMD just announced there new apu which they stated first hand blows away the jaguar that went into the new consoles

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> install its own operating system on another partition

not wise

> allowing you to separate your gaming from your everyday tasks on windows.

one can already do this with intelligence

> updates/patches/drivers/optimizations will take place in the background

that’s ms unlikely

> availability of xbmc

why then do you bother with roku?

> steam you can allow your friends to borrow games from your steam games library

It’s not really borrowing if you can’t touch it

Have you completely embraced the bottom of the slippery slope? What good are the games you own when steam becomes defunct? oh, yeah, THEY BE GONE and you have memories of being screwed outta money

> most saught after games

intelligent qube

> Look it up

marketing shills intenshunalee spwalling poorlee now?

> DDR4 being a major PC upgrade at 2x the speed of ddr3

Being that it has massive vagueries and comicalistic engrish you might thru happenstance stumble out of ignorance

> AMD just announced

That they’re LONG way from anything as awesome as CUDA

But they have excellent space heaters for those cold nights and they still emulate x86 not too badly

IKROWNI

OK man please explain to me how installing steamos on a separate partition is unwise?

What do you mean its not borrowing if you can’t touch where does that make any sense dude? Here you can play this game own for free for as long as I say but you can’t touch it physically so there’s goes the entire concept of digital sharing I guess. Pftttt hhahahaha moron!

Updates/drivers/patches will handled in the background what do you mean not likely cause its ms?
Its not ms you illiterate little turd its steamos not windows is.

As far as the roku I use it in my bedroom to stream media when I’m not in my theater using xbmc.

The ddr4 comment I don’t even understand but through the jibberish I’ll go ahead and assume you said something dumb like ddr3 is better than ddr4 since that’s how retarded the comments seem to be venturing here.

AMD’s new mobile apu is faster and performs 40% better than jaguar its called beema look it up dickie-doo.. So yes if you want much better performance gaming grab phone instead of a console.

al

So what if amd is. Nivida is there all ready, also if your smart steam isn’t the only thing out on the web, you have good old games humble and many more that give you a DRM free copy thatbyiubcan do what ever you want to

Steve Burnet

What’s with all the hate for the SteamOS/machine? It hasn’t even been released yet. I’m not saying it’s going to be some gaming savior or anything, but I’m hoping they will be able to pull off what they are trying to accomplish. And I’ll reserve critical judgement until its released. Assuming it works as ‘advertised’, why do some people not consider it a viable alternative to a console?

Not A PC Gamer

I hate it and don’t want any part of Steam, Valve or that fat ass scumbag Gabe Newal. I’ve been gaming for 35 years now and Consoles have always statisifed my itch. Absolutely no need to go elsewhere..

pcjoeyd

that’s because you’re a dumba$$

Not A PC Gamer

What’s that Timmy? I’m sorry Son, but I’m not part of your mellenial baby nerd generation who games on PC hunched over a desk staring at text so tiny it makes my eyes bleed. Go run along with your niche titles that the rest of the gaming community hasn’t even heard of. Oh and be sure to step out of your basement sometime you fucking hermit because god knows you PC gamers (out of all the gamers on this planet needs to at least attempt to get some pussy.

Run along Timmy Dipshit… run along. :)

pcjoeyd

AH Hah! It really sucks you still play with toys, I used to play on consoles back in the sega genesis/sega cd days. It was a lot of fun, and still play those games on my PC. I have 4 PC’s in my house that I built…my kids have their own systems in their bedrooms all with high end video cards and I have mine in my bedroom, as well as our main unit in the living room hooked up to my 50″ LCD (no hunched over bro). It has wireless mini keyboard with trackball, wireless xbox 360 controller, wireless remote control to turn system on/off…system specs that destroy any kiddie console you have in your house “Timmy”. And guess what? No red ring, ylod, or “unreadable disc” issues EVER!

And hmm, let’s see…I play Batman Origins, Battlefield 4, COD Ghosts, NBA 2K14, Payday 2, Assassin’s Creed IV, Tomb Raider…I also have 26 emulators, including an awesome Wii emulator that I use wii remotes & nunchuks with..not to mention dreamcast, ps1, ps2, nes, snes, atari, neo geo, & on & on…what do i need a console for? I have about 10,000 games on my PC bro.
And also I’m married to a beautiful wife bro…no need to go outside!! :)

Not A PC Gamer

I don’t play with toys.. I play with on consoles because the content on the PC absolutely screams generic and boring to me and I prefer accessibility and user friendly no nonsense gaming to jumping through hoops and the constant headaches of PC gaming.

I didn’t get my first PC until I was 26.. back in 2000. I have absolutely no interest in computers whatsoever other than actually using the damn thing for the Internet, Email and paying my bills, streaming shit from my PC to my 360 and PS3 and that’s about it.

I have never looked into Emulators on the PC in my entire life and to this very fucking day I haven’t once even bothered to visit the Steam Website as I can’t stand PC gaming, Valve, or their overated games and service. You can say I’m ignorant all you want but the Content I’m looking for just isn’t on the PC.. Sorry! :)

To each their own, but I still stand by everything I said. Have a good one!

pcjoeyd

such a shame…you’re missing out on a lot boss. Emulators are awesomeness!
anyways, like you said, to each his own.

Not A PC Gamer

People miss out in many things in life due to personal limitations on time and budget constraints. Somehow I don’t think Video Games are a worthwhile mention of any thing worthy of being missed out on. I’d personally put family, friends and just living life above all else.

It would take a very close PC gamer friend (If I knew any) to actually even begin to try to motivate me into looking at PC gaming. The thought of actually playing on a TV (like your set up) actually does kinda excite me I have to admit.

But yes, to each their own. :)

LezGrl79

How are emulators “awesomeness” when you get a better experience using it on the gaming console it came from.

pcjoeyd

Hmm, well, let’s see… for one you don;t have to “buy” the games…..i have over 7,000 games on my PC…how much would that cost if I were to buy ‘em on ebay? A LOT.
Having said that, I do own a lot of the consoles (I still have my original Atari 2600, NES, Genesis (sold the sega cd), & Commodore 64). I LOVE each one of ‘em and have literally hundreds of games for those systems. Every x-mas I take one out and hook it up for my kids to play on…lots of fun!!
But I still like having all of those games (and a ton more) on my PC readily available and can play at a moments notice. The games load INSTANTLY and I can use a much better controller (either my 360 controller or PS4 DS4) on ALL of the emulators. Plus I don’t have to hook up 10 systems to my TV having a ton of wires to fudge around with.
Have you ever played New Super Mario Bros Wii at 1080p resolution at 60FPS? Well, I have on my dolphin emulator. How do I control Mario using a mouse & keyboard you say? I don’t…I use regular Wii remotes/nunchuks with Wii games (bluetooth). And I like to use my 360 controller for gamecube games. Like I said,,,,pure awesomeness!!! Then again, I have a pretty powerful computer I built myself (core i7 cpu @4.6ghz), so that’s why I get great framerates. If you have a crappy laptop or old desktop machine with slow cpu, then emulators will suck for you.

LezGrl79

I don’t have any issues with my pc. It’s the emulators that don’t always work good.

pcjoeyd

what emulators are you having issues with? Emulation isn;t always perfect, and the “newer” systems will have more game incompatibilities and the sort…for example with the dolphin emulator there isn;t 100% compatibility…far from it, but the emu is constantly being updated…but I have to say the games that do work, work absolutely flawless (like all of the mario games, punchout, zelda, etc). my ps1 & ps2 emulators pretty much work flawless…dreamcast (nulldc) is also pretty awesome, but there are games that do not work on there as well….but any other systems (atari, nes, snes, genesis, sega cd, 32x, turbografx/CD, n64, coleco, neo geo) all work 100% flawless. what system are you trying to emulate? what games? Remember, cpu speed is very important when dealing with game emulation…much more important than video card (which pc games prefer). Having said that, the “newer” systems (ps2, dreamcast, Wii) will definitely use your graphics card for a lot of the graphics….but still, they too are very cpu dependant, whereas pc games are extremely gpu dependant. I have a friend who has an 8 core amd cpu & a geforce gtx 970 4gb video card…his system does pc games just perfect..he can game at higher than 1080p in most cases with great framerates….the problem though his emulators run like shiite because of his amd cpu…most emulators only use one core (some will use two like dolphin for example..even pcsx2 to some degree)…all other emulators really only use 1 core of your cpu, so you better have a speedy cpu 4ghz+ to get good performance…. and it goes without saying, you should also have the latest version of the emulator (not a version that came out 3 years ago).

ifkdurbch

Please apply ice to burned area.

Not A PC Gamer

If you are going to reply to me, speak English.. not riddles please..

ifkdurbch

Wow; are you THAT daft?

Not A PC Gamer

Daft? No I’m just not a fucking nerd who keeps up with internet sarcasm. Personally in the real world I have zero tollerance to it to the point of me bringing it to a physical level. And no never heard the term Daft either (although I would assume by the context of the sentence that it means dense or inept) and dont use geeky internet slang like Epic Fail, Troll, or Herp Derp either. I’m not a part of your mellennial baby generation I’m sorry to say guy! But yeah, I know you are implying I’m butthurt which couldn’t be further from the truth. I just don’t like PC gaming.. Problem?

Snarky comments like this wouldn’t fly with me in the real world though. I’m usually quite the hard ass when it comes to sarcasm in the real world so enjoy it on a medium where you can get away with it! :)

IKROWNI

Sounds like a bitch to me! I’m in Florida close to Tampa , you close to here bitch tits?

Not A PC Gamer

Los Angeles :)

IKROWNI

Ehhh it wouldn’t matter anyways I’ve never hit a girl in my life I wouldn’t start with you.

Not A PC Gamer

That’s because I’d break both of your ribs and make you suck that piece of skin in between your legs you call a cock. Doubt me? Come and look me up sometime and I’ll show you how I personally deal with Nerdy ass PC gamers with Pastey faced skin and smart mouths who are so butthurt over MAJORITY OPINION that they resort to this nonsense.

Kid I’ll kill you.. You have cell number you want to leave? In the meantime.. I’ll be waiting:

6209 Reseda Blvd. Unit 130
Tarzana CA. 91355

Oh and I hit a girl before.. beat the shit out of her in self defense. Hate to break it to you son, but just because someone has a vagina won’t help their case with me. A 250 pound woman comes at me with closed fists and nails, they’ll end up in the ICU just as they did before.

Also what is with your pathetic XBL Avatar? You’re an Xbot? Oh man does that say mountains about you kiddo.

Now STFU and leave a number or a gamertag, I’ll talk to you in about 5 minutes on XBL about your plain ticket which I’m more than capable of paying for..

IKROWNI

man after taking a quick look at that crack head apartment I’m not sure if I’m more afraid of the aids I would catch in a fight from your crack head ass or a drive bye from some wanna be street thugs. Holy hell man I’ve seen some raggedy places in my life but damn man, if you live in that shithole then I would only believe you could afford a console by stealing it from some child’s Christmas tree. No wonder you get pissed at pc gamers you can’t afford a console let alone a gaming pc.

Is that a rehab facility?

Not A PC Gamer

You see what you just did kid? You backpeddled from the situation at hand! Do all you Mellennial babies who were born after 87 use these bitch bred pussified tactics over the internet? Yeah from my 13 year experience with message boards and the internet tells me yes.. that’s how you and your pussified brood rolls.

Oh and I’m actually in the City of Tarzana right down the street from Infinity Ward and Ventura Blvd.. You know that street you see in all the movies? Just face facts, My neighborhood is the center of the world, while yours is just a hurricane away from wiping your ass off this earth. Now if only we could get an earthquake here after I leave Cali for Colorado so a Tsunami would watch away all these WetBacks and Illegals to the bottom of the ocean once and for all.

Nice try kid.. keep replying puppet..

Oh and where is your gamertag you disgusting Xbot? I thought so.. You don’t even have the Intenstinal fortitude to debate with me verbally over the mic.. pathetic coward. :)

IKROWNI

My gt is wvw krown wvw don’t really see what the point in getting into a private chat with someone is or how that would solve shit? What shall we do call each other words then leave the party feeling the same as we did before going into it. Now if you would like to get on the mic and debate the matter at hand pc vs console sure I’ll show you what your missing out on

Not A PC Gamer

No name calling, just a debate on why console gaming is the more practical choice for all of us. Since you already acted the fool and have already been insulting.. do you actually think all would be forgiven?

There is nothing you could possibly say that could change my mind. I don’t want the fucking headache. But I will chat with you anytime you like. I’ll send you a friend’s request shortly. I hope you got the spelling right.

Life is too short to be worried about missing out on such trivial things as gaming and entertainment don’t you think? I find it kind of funny that you take a consolite’s opinion like mine and let it get under your skin. Unfortunately I can’t talk now because the GF came home but I’ll send you a voice message with that friend’s request because I have all day tomorrow. You just let me know what time works out for you.

IKROWNI

Yo whatever happened with ya buddy? I never got a friend request, I was serious about having that talk with you man. Hit me up I left my gt for you in a previous post.

Not A PC Gamer

After the holidays Krown.. I’ll be back then and yes we will have a very civil conversation. No hard feelings on my end man. I’ll be back in mid January and will reply to you then.

Enjoy your PC! :)

IKROWNI

that’s cool enjoy your holidays with your family and friends ttyl

Sovtek

Oh my god, you deserve a medal. About damn time I found someone else who sees these “bitch bred pussified Millenial babies” for what they are.

Not A PC Gamer

Thank you man.. If you like I’d love to add you on PSN because great minds think alike brother!

Not A PC Gamer

Thank you man.. If you like I’d love to add you on PSN because great minds think alike brother!

ArrowAssault

lol, now that’s funny.

das

LMAOOOO WHO IS THIS KEYBOARD WARRIOR ?

Not A PC Gamer

Keyboard warrior huh? Last time I checked only nerds used that term.. These Xbots need to wake up.. PERIOD.

Ok you’re a PC gamer.. A pastey faced little nerd that likes to gaming sitting at a desk.. Son, you’re a silly cunt.. and I’ve been gaming for 35+ years and never once had the urge to look into PC gaming.. Lets just say Poindexter… It never has been worth the headache with your generic games that no one has ever heard of.

On a side note.. You PC nerds have a whole lot to learn about life.. Namely getting outside and getting a tan on that pastey faced skin of yours.. Now run along timmy… I’m sure you have ingrown nose hairs and the personality of a roof shingle just like the character at the top of this article.

Silly Kid.. PC gaming.. can eat a dick..

Not A PC Gamer

And yes if you’re stupid enough to use the term Master Race, Console Peasent, Epic Fail, or Herp Derp.. You’re a typical Mellennial Baby and a Nerd of Epic Proportions..

Deal with that, now run along and play some more of your geeky WOW, Planetside, and League Of Legends.. The real gaming experiences are on consoles and that hasn’t changed since 85 son! :)

das

AWWW 35 years in gaming ? so youre a old man that STILL cannot afford a gaming PC LOL ! is that because your job is a trolly boy at a supermarket on minimal wages ? is that how u get that suntan eh ? LMAO ,and im very well tanned thanks from doing 13 mile runs on the beach near me every week ,plus muscular physique from a decade of lifting ,just by the look of your username shows hate via jealousy ,enjoy your sub par gaming on overheating consoles and crappy control pads :) carry on hating peasant ,all u got to be angry at is yourself ;) old man !

Not A PC Gamer

Son I own Macs in my household.. No more links to Microsoft and their cronies. Also this old man will knock you on your collective ass if you happen to be in the L.A. area kid. Typical PC nerd comment.

Sorry kid, PC gamers don’t lift.. And if you think you could possibly defend your horseshit with me kid.. leave a PSN ID.. otherwise you can run back with the rest of the Undesirables… you sad pathetic bunch of pastey faced poindexters.

As I said, had this not been the internet.. I’d have already broken your ribs and make you suck that uncircumsized piece of skin in between your legs.. you call a penis.

LMAO.. Dateless, social rejects is what the PC Master Race really is.. I could have afforded PC gaming back on the Apple 2C.. I just chose not to due to the fact the majority of your titles are horseshit. :)

Oh and My username shows Integrity.. Unlike you mellenial babies who can only run their cocksucking mouths behind a keyboard.. :)

Not A PC Gamer

LOL Daren Mallard.. Thanks for your facebook info.. I saw your profile pic here… And trust me you are a typical PC gaming nerd with a big mouth just waiting to be put in your proper place by someone like me! You look like a pastey faced little twirp just like I thought, and personally I’d love to leave you crying my name when I leave you disfigured in a pool of your own blood.

LOL Daren Mallard.. Thanks for your facebook info.. I saw your profile pic here… And trust me you are a typical PC gaming nerd with a big mouth just waiting to be put in your proper place by someone like me! You look like a pastey faced little twirp just like I thought, and personally I’d love to leave you crying my name when I leave you disfigured in a pool of your own blood.

And you just proved that you really are a pastey faced Nerd whiteboy who doesn’t have a set to run his mouth anywhere outside a forum..

LOL look at you son? You pose no threat kid.. You’re a laughing stock!

Not A PC Gamer

Jealously? Of being a pastey faced white nerd who lies about lifting to make himself look hard online? Kid.. I’ll knock you in the middle of next week and wipe that smirk right off your Geek Face permanently..

One thing about you Melleniall babies.. You are all way too Naive when it comes to your personal information. Then again anyone with a fucking facebook page is nothing more than a self-absorbed Narcissistic little bitch anyhow!

LOL so you are a keyboard warrior ,too scared to show your profile/name and picture ,you own macs lol ? is that so you can make friends with the other self adsorbed kids at starbucks with their macbooks lool ! and youre not hard old man ,bet you couldn’t even punch ya way through ya mums vagina so they have to cut the bitch open lol ,as for LA ,that’s full of fatties that go disneyland every weekend is it not ? are u a old fat Disney land lover ? :) Troll all you want old man ,because this means nothing ,just proves anyone can comment back .and PS4 sucks :) xbox and Pc is superior cuz microsoft is king bahha enjoy your overheating macbooks and ps4 old man

Not A PC Gamer

Your comments prove you’re a typical Mellenial baby. Once again, thanks for proving my point. However in the real world, I’d mop the floor up with your pastey faced ass DAREN.. Now run along, the adults just put a child in his proper place.

BTW.. I love Disneyland.. And yes I love Macs… No more fucking PC’s will ever enter my home again..

Poindexter… I just handed you your ass. Keep living in your facebook realm… totally devoid of your privacy like the typical baby you are.

Also Microsoft is the worst company in the world to be doing business with.. totally devoid of principles and morals and prone to deception just like their gullible brainwashed fans like you who accept medicrity with a coke and smile..

In the meantime, I’d enjoy kicking your ass.. anytime chump! :)

das

oh no ,someone kicked my arse in a forum … so you claim ,yh Ms sucks ,thats why they have 70% more market share than macs …

Not A PC Gamer

Yeah MS does suck and if you took your collective head out of your ass you would see their shady history of fucking over the consumer by abandoning their products and services whenever they see fit. Case in point: The family share plan, The Zune, The Zune Service, Netflix parties.. MSN/WLM messenger integration, etc.

They were voted the most likely company to buy and sell your personal information on several different websites and they promote a campaign against google talking about getting scroogled? LOL while my Chromebook is limited in a few things it can do, it’s now my go to computer because everything is so fucking simple and dont have to look at disgusting tiles that was designed by a fucking woman.

Kid you may be the type of PC gamer, I’d beat the shit out of you in the streets, but not all pc gamers are like you. Gaming aside you need to wake up when it comes to MS. I won’t even use their skype service when I can use Google Hangouts instead.

If you can’t understand how all the hatred against Microsoft isn’t justified then you are truely a lost cause.

das

“I’d beat the shit out of you in the streets”
LOL! what a little spaz u really are ,so angry at a company u get spazdicated at someone that uses their products ,keyboard warrior that pretends to be me hard man ,anyone can act hard on the internet , Tell ya mum ill be seeing her soon ,FUCKING HER BRAINS OUT :) that make u mad ? :P

Not A PC Gamer

Actually it doesn’t make me mad unless you said it to me over the mic.. Leave a gamertag on either console and I’ll be more than happy to pay for your plane ticket (I did this before for another smartass that ran his mouth) to come out here.

In the meantime, you have proven to me you’re just a pastey faced faggot named Darren.. So let me ask you something… Was your crackwhore mother high when she came up with your name? It’s quite obvious you were conceived from that cunt’s anus rather than her gaping cunt..

That make you mad you PC gaming faggot? Remember son, I’m one of the few people who doesn’t need to act hard on the internet. Now run along Darren… you pastey faced nerd before I have your entire facebook paged destroyed by the end of this week.

Yep, you fear me.. and that’s why you made your discus comments private because you fear me trolling you everywhere you post. Haha! :)

I’m boring? That’s what you get when you accept mediocrisy with all those generic PC titles kid. Remember.. you support the scumbags at MS, you’re also the scourge of the gaming industry along with them. You remember that chump..

You look like a pastey faced nerd twirp to me kid.. You’ll be posing no threat son!

cloud madigan

“Plane”

Not A PC Gamer

It wouldn’t matter because you’re a spineless coward and suddenly becomes a touch guy behind a keyboard whereas I’m the real tough guy that has actually met people who ran their mouths over live and beat the shit out of them. It’s already happened twice.. first time, I got my case dismissed for assualt since this pastey faced nerd came to my home. The 2nd time I had a kid’s father coming to my house and I jawclocked him so hard he chipped his tooth while I told him the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.. Like father like son and both of you are bitches.

No jail time.. just a misdemeaner and a little community service shit for brains. I you want to be the 3rd, come on down! I’ll be waiting.. Looking forward to beating another Millennial Baby’s ass just as the first two.. Now run along Poindexter.. and be sure to leave you’re gamertag because we can handle this shit tonight over live if you like. Either way you don’t even possess the intellectual fortitude to converse with another adult because god knows (if there is one) how much you pastey faced closet nerds love your “Texting” power trips.. I find it funny you that when a real confrontation comes up on the streets, you’ll run away like the spineless Jellyfish that mother of yours raised. :)

IKROWNI

Well first off if that story is true it would be in public records at your local clerk of courts website. So how about you post it for us to see. You know how it goes man pics or didn’t happen.

Wait xbl in 5 minutes? Won’t it take you longer than that to find a neighbors WiFi signal? Or are you tapping into that high speed apartment WiFi?

Not A PC Gamer

Petty insults.. that I would knock the smirk right off your face for? You implying that I’m poor? LMAO. You don’t know what I do for a living son! Why don’t you run along and play Planetside or one of your geeky games that has the word “Craft” in the game title eh?

As I thought after 3 more replies from you, you’re scared to leave your gamertag? LOL Butthurt Imature coward.

I don’t give a shit about Public records.. If you’re such a fucking PC loving nerd.. why not track my IP, find my real name… You can link it to this address though..

6209 Reseda Bld. Unit 130
Tarzana, CA. 91335

You got the info kid, run it yourself. And Yeah, back in Highschool some Nigger bitch punched me in my face.. and messed up her but ugly face. It wouldn’t be the first time I hit a woman.. so why not make it two? Come on down son! :)

cloud madigan

Well done…
Well done..

Falcon D. Stormvoice

You’ve never heard the word “daft” and you can’t puzzle out what “burn” means? Yeah, you’re doing yourself no favors. Just making yourself look really provincial and not too bright.

Guest

Oooh, ouch! You should get some butt cream! lol

KiLLaMaNiLLa

And just so you know the PC has most exclusives out of all gaming platforms.And most games on console are PC ports so try to make some sense before speaking. And with next gen you will see even more PC games port over now that console can handle them so your welcome douche bag.

Not A PC Gamer

Oh whats the matter little boy, did I strike a nerve with you for having a different opinion? Well deal with it. PC exclusives? Oh yeah, those Isometric Strategy games that no one has ever heard of? Those boring RTS, and Mmorpgs like WOW and Blizzard nonsense with text so tiny it makes my eyes bleed? Oh that’s right, you’re also talking about flight simulators, date simulators that the majority of the gaming public hasn’t even heard of..

The absolute butthurt that your entire brood of poindexters possess over the PC platform never taking off and destroying consoles as we know them should be a wake up call for you! Just face facts, the plain simple fact that my opinions mean that much to you that you resorted to replying to me not once, but 3 times tells me I’m inside your head little man.

Welcome to reality son… :)
You’re welcome!

Not A PC Gamer

Also as usual you are another poindextor master race nerd who tells me something I don’t already know.. PC ports to console? As long as it isn’t crap from Blizzard and any game that either has tiny text and convoluted menus.. It’s more than welcome on consoles.

But after playing 2 hours of Diablo 3, I can already sense it’s PC centric roots and I stopped playing. Even Valve is the most overated developer there is. Not to mention they make horrible console ports!

About the only PC developer I am a fan of is ID Software.. at least they know how to properly port a game over to consoles unlike Valve with that piss poor orange box.

Again, don’t like what I have to say? You can deal with it. Or if you want to continue this we can discuss this over Skype where I will upload our conversation to youtube unedited for the world to see. It’s what I did the last time a PC gamer ever tried running his pathetic mouth to me..

But are you worthy.. that’s the question? :)

Dylan Rankin

Can you even stream shit from a PC to the PS4? Or did sony get rid of that option like all the other great stuff the PS3 had? Keep this in mind I bought a PS4 and have always been pro console.. but why the fuck did SONY release a new system that is inferior to PS3 in every way possible aside from better graphics and having to fucking pay for online.

SONY claims this will be a 12 year system so lets all hope by then some of the cool shit my PS3 could do is also an option on my “next Gen system”..

Not A PC Gamer

Actually it is not inferior to the PS3 but I do agree with you that the lack of multimedia functions is pretty bad. Not being able to save our media to the HDD, the fact that USB drives aren’t even recognized on the PS4, and the fact that the PSN ecosystem lacks real communication between PS4 and PS3 owners are all downsides.

I am a Sony guy, but I’m also not a dumb consumer and am willing to call out any company that does things I dont like.

But yeah, you can’t stream shit to PS4 yet, but I honestly believe Sony will be the first to patch all that in before a company like Microsoft will ever patch in voice messaging and harddrive management into the X1.

I feel were you are coming from dude, I really do.

ArrowAssault

To think PC gaming is ‘generic’ and ‘boring’ screams that you are just lazy, simple minded, non-committal, or a mix of all three. PC gaming is hardly a headache..?? It usually requires more time and dedication, that’s all. Steam is about the simplest way to play PC games, but it’s hardly the epitome. Maybe I’m wrong and maybe all you care to play are sports games, in which case PC is not nearly as good. But for shooters, MMO, racing, flash/web, RPG, and other types of games, PC has tons and plays most of them the best.

Not A PC Gamer

I’m sorry pal but I’ve been gaming for 35 plus years and PC gaming has always seemed generic to me and that’s not going to change.

To call someone lazy or simple minded because they have no interest in computers or specs is in and of it self… IGNORANT ON YOUR PART.

Furthermore I don’t play sports games or bro shooters either and I still think Consoles have always had far more variety than PC gaming ever has.

I’m sorry but not all of us have an interest when it can take me months of research and months of headaches.. PC gaming in the end is a Novelty in my mind’s eye and simply isn’t worth the effort needed. I’m a busy man, with 2 kids and a full time job. I don’t have the time or interest and the pay off isn’t worth the headaches.

I think before labeling someone as lazy or simple minded you should take a step back and see the entire picture. Doesn’t matter anyway because I have boycotted all of Microsoft’s products and services (including xbox) and as soon as my Windows7 PC dies, I’m going with apple from now on so a Windows PC is never going to enter my home again anyway.

Also, I’m not committal? I guess that why I’m such a completionist and platinum ever game I play. I guess that’s why I learn and use all my consoles to their fullest extent.. Matter of fact the only thing I don’t bother getting into is computers. Sorry but while technology does interest me.. computers don’t.

ArrowAssault

Only a 50″ screen? Mine is 62″ and 7.6 surround sound. When I watch Tron:Legacy it sounds like it did at the theater. Battlefield and COD are junk. You might as well be playing with toys to be playing those games. Arma is the real deal. Your kids are what, under 10? You know if you were a proper dad you would bring them up on the old school instead of spoiling them with upper-spec systems. Buy them a x486 and let them have fun with QBasic and DOS games. Oh too late. Now there’s no going back. I remember when it was just Atari, Sega and NES, etc. Those were good times. Better times, even. You would be wiser to get them into board games instead of computers, because computers are inevitable anyway. How often do you get to play those 10,000 games and work and take care of the house and family? It’s a pointless statistic. Nothing you say is impressive and really it’s mostly sad. I touch about a dozen games with any regularity between PS3 and PC and it’s more than enough. Also, actual console > emulator because it’s the real thing and something that you can collect and show. You can’t show an emulator. It’s just software. Boo. Do you even have any movies? I own more than 600 hand picked DVD/BluRay. I’ve built and maintain 3 PCs, two of which are for HT. I’m glad you’re willing to waste so much money on ‘high-end video cards’ that get surpassed in a matter of years, rather than buying just above the performance/cost sweet spot which is the smartest way to do it. Do you even play any legitimate good games that don’t follow the mainstream curve?

pcjoeyd

ok, where do I begin with my response? lol first off, I have 11 yr. old twins and a 5 yr. old and we don;t allow any of our kids to play any games rated above E…I would allow them to play T rated games, but the wife is very strict in that regard….you don;t know me, so you have no idea how good or bad a dad I am. Because I allow my kids to play video games does not make me a bad parent… my twins are well rounded and are involved in many after school activities, so they don;t just play video games (i did as a kid lol, but we don;t allow our kids to be couch potatoes).

I happen to have my atari & original nes hooked up and my kids enjoy playing games like contra, tyson’s punchout, karnov, etc on the ‘ole nes. they also enjoy playing on my C64 computer that I hook up every x-mas (ahh, the memories).
as for me personally, I;d rather play those games on my PC (instead of consoles)… I’ll also play counter strike on my PC any day over cod on 360 (but that’s just me).
And I NEVER buy the latest & greatest….I always buy a generation prior and overclock the hell out of it to get same performance for a fraction of the price.
My kids each have their own pc and it’s not just to play games.

As far as movies go, I’m not a movie buff at all and really don’t watch many movies…occasionally, i’ll watch goodfellas or some of those old mafia movies…i like predator & stuff like that. My wife & I own like 40 movies and they are all disney movies for our kids. I have about 500 movies on my pc hard drive that my kids never watch (R rated movies such as goodfellas, etc).
That’s good you have a 62″ TV with surround sound.. I have a 50″ TV in our living room that I love and our old stereo system that wife & I have had for over 25 years,,,still works great thank you very much! I’m not a music or movie buff, so I’m not into that nor am I interested in the latest & greatest….if you are, more power to ya….rock on dude!

pcjoeyd

And don’t get me wrong, I LOVE these current gen consoles…they’ve made me a lot of money doing repairs and modding during the weekends. Just red ring & unreadable disc alone has given me a lot of extra spending cash!! ahah Long live consoles!!

Not A PC Gamer

Look I won’t say NEVER.. but the chance of me ever getting into PC gaming at 39 years old now is slim to none. At this point in my life I’m too busy as it is to find the time to game on just one console platform much less the Novelty platform that is PC gaming.

The PC gamers that claim this nerdy “Master Race” Bullshit as far as I’m concerned are a bunch of low life anti social nerds with ingrown nose hairs and the personality of a roof shingle. Yeah this pretty much sums it up from my experience. :)

And yes long live consoles.. they are going to be around forever while the PC market continues to fade away into the niche platform it really is. Long live consoles!

pcjoeyd

see, now I find that exciting (fiddling with Bios). I love building pc’s. I like the fact that I can make my pc as fast as I want it. I like having no slowdown in games… it’s called the holy grail of gaming, my friend. But you wouldn’t know about that.
as far as pastey faced nerds, i think you are generalizing. I’m a construction foreman and a former jock (hardly the nerdy type). But then again, maybe i’m a closet nerd lol
again, to each his own dude.

Not A PC Gamer

Oh and while my generalizations may sound offensive towards PC gamers, I’m not saying you are necessarily like that. I know a few PC gamers that actually don’t fit that mold at all. Anyhow enjoy what you like and I’ll do the same.

Cya!

pcjoeyd

my main beef against consoles is that you can’t upgrade them….it would be cool if u could upgrade your console instead of having to buy a whole new system every 5-6 years…
having said that, are u going to be getting an xbox one or ps4? or neither?

Not A PC Gamer

It’s funny that your main beef is exactly what I like about consoles.. Unless of course upgrading would be as simple as adding a component through a slot without having to understand specs.

I’ve been a 360 fan since 2005 and hated the PS3 for nearly all it’s shortcomings. Since Microsoft’s reveal in May I’ve been personally offended with them as a company ever since. I won’t get into it here though. I’ve since bought my 4th PS3 (I’ve had them before going back to 08 but never kept them) and have been gaming just on that and the Vita. I will never touch or go near the Xbox brand again for a multitude of reasons and mainly just distrust with the company.

I just found out today that MS cut out key features with the Xbox one like the quick guide and totally did away with any kind of harddrive management.. I have no idea what MS is thinking to be honest with you.

pcjoeyd

LOL…I completely understand your stance on Microsoft…I agree completely…they can;t be trusted at all.
I do find the whole console war (ps3/xbox fanboys) interesting and comical at the same time. Before this last generation, I was way out of the loop in regards to consoles, until I saw all of the ridiculous red ring issues, when I figured I could make some good money repairing these I got into ‘em…then modding ‘em, & the rest is history lol My little one loves to play on our jtag system…and I will admit, I miss playing Madden & NHL on PC (I hate EA Sports).
But anyways, I can understand your hatred towards Microsoft (I’m a Windows after all) lol

Not A PC Gamer

The console war is very interesting! I’m also glad to hear you feel the same as I do when it comes to MS and their lack of focus on gaming. For me it’s not about brand loyality more than it is about my personal disdain and disgust for MS as a whole. I plan on either getting a MAC book or possibly a google laptop instead of going back to windows again and would really like your opinion and insight on this since you are very experienced in the Computer and tech world.

Also… Hey if you can make money off of people’s broken consoles.. More power to you Joey! :)

pcjoeyd

I definitely think laptops and macs definitely have their place. As far as laptops go, I have a laptop I use, but it’s just for portability reasons…I use it to go online if i’m in my yard or basement for example…I definitely prefer desktop systems as you can build whatever you want, upgrade whatever you want, etc, and you can build awesome gaming rigs.
And for macs, I wouldn’t get one for the same reason I prefer desktop machines….(I like to build my own systems).
I have heard that macbook air laptops (or whatever they’re called) are the best laptop you can buy/// so if you were to get one of those, you’re probably getting a good computer.
And as much as I dislike Microsoft, I’ve been using windows (and dos before then) for a very long time. And Windows 7 is the best OS they’ve ever released (in my opinion). It’s very stable, pretty secure relatively speaking, and it runs everything under the sun…everything just works, and you won;t find a more compatible OS. Having said that, MacOS is also an excellent OS, I’ve just never used a mac, so I’m just going by reviews on it… it’s just not a good OS for gaming, so I wouldn;t have any interest in it. But a lot of people like it.
And for linux….linux is a very nice OS as well, it just doesn;t have anywhere near the compatibility of Windows (and again, it’s not a good OS choice for gaming).

Not A PC Gamer

Thanks for the educated opinion man and I’m sorry if we got off on the wrong foot initially. I know MACs aren’t good for gaming but I absolutely loved the hour I spent on a friend’s airbook. I also understand that you sacrifice a whole lot with laptops since they are not as easily accessible to upgrading as desktops but I can’t see myself doing any upgrades myself unless it’s something like RAM or the HDD which I know I could do myself.

Sometimes I wish I was never a gamer.. If I wasn’t I would probably be all into computers and tech a lot more than I already am. I guess I was unfortunate that I got my first PC at the age of 26 back in 2000. I think that probably plays a roll in why I’m not interested in gaming on the PC because I’ve always been spoiled by just plugging in a game console and getting my game on.

I think Linux may be a little bit over my head to be honest. Just a quick question.. What’s your honest opinion on Google Chrome books? Or are you not very familiar with them?

pcjoeyd

yeah, same here bud, feeling is mutual ..you seem like a nice guy :) My first PC I bought in 1993 and it quickly became an obsession. My buddies were wondering why I was always inside (when I used to be outside playing sports all of the time) lol

And you are not alone when you say you really like the mac air laptop….I know people who use it at home as their main system. They seem to be very well made. Me personally, I’m so entrenched with Windows and a stubborn mule (I don;t like change much when it comes to OS), so I probably don;t see myself getting a mac laptop, but I have no problem recommending other people (who are willing to try something new) to buy a mac air. I do have one question for you in regards to macs….what is up with the no right-click?? I tried mac os one time and when i found out i couldn’t right-click on the mouse I was lost lol I use right click ALL of the time..is there a way to enable right click?…if not, how do u get around that?
As for chromebooks, I’ve never used one, so I cannot really comment, but believe it or not, they’ve gotten decent reviews…they’re not powerhouse systems by any means, but they “seem” like decent machines. (just going by reviews).
I used Ubuntu (linux distro) briefly, and for a free OS, I thought it was great…I really enjoyed using it…however it sucks for gaming, just because there’s no support for gaming…and my PC has to be able to do everything on one OS, so I would never use it as my main OS.
Honestly, consoles & PC’s are so alike these days (and i’m not talking about computers…consoles have always been computers) ….back in the day, consoles used specialized RISC chips designed by either IBM or motorola and they were highly optimized for one thing GAMING… but nowadays consoles are built on x86 cpu’s (Intel or AMD) exclusively that they are essentially PC’s…..just with a different motherboard (like today’s Macs)….they’re not as interesting to me to be honest, because they’re like stripped down pc’s that can’t be upgraded. But like you mentioned earlier, most gamers don;t care to upgrade their systems (why I dunno lol) ,…they just want to insert game and play and that’s it….which I can understand. I just think that pc’s are becoming more like consoles (case designs, home theatre boxes for living room, etc), and consoles are definitely becoming like PC’s….can’t go wrong with either today as far as gaming goes.

Not A PC Gamer

Last time I used a mac was 4 months ago at the apple store. I do remember the right mouse button working and it bringing up a menu very much like the typical right click menu we have in Chrome and IE. I didn’t spend too much time with it other than exploring the UI but I did love what I saw!

I believe chromebooks are definitely marketed as a budget PC but not as bad as those Emachines from back in the day. Reason why I brought it us is because I really love Chrome on my PC and love the easy to use UI of my android as well. It’s still an option but I think I’m too heavily swayed towards a MAC right now.

I do kinda miss the simple days when consoles where only about gaming.. blowing into the NES cartridges, plugging in and just starting up. IMO this “Multipurpose Set top box vision of consoles really started with Online gaming in the 6th generation of consoles with the Gamecube PS2, OG Xbox and Dreamcast modems. It wasn’t until the 7th generation of consoles (PS3, 360 and Wii) that they actually became a means to do other things other than gaming like streaming services, media functionality, Pc connectivity and of course with Microsoft atleast.. things have been way to commercialized. Take one look at the 360 Metro Dash and you’ll see what I mean! :)

I honestly wouldn’t mind if future consoles and settop boxes could be upgraded with a simple slot release and popping in more RAM, HDD, etc.. My only fear is.. Can these console makers actually build hardware that can actually last a decade? If you look at the 360 RROD problems and even the PS3’s YLOD issues (although much less common than RROD lol) it really makes you question if they would ever offer the ability when they still can’t get the hardware right out of the gate.

My mind is open to the idea though! :)

pcjoeyd

They absolutely can make the consoles upgradeable, but I believe it will never happen..for the simple reason that it would make an uneven playing field (some gamers who’ve upgraded their consoles online would theoretically have an advantage over their friends who have a “slower” system)….meaning some gamers might get slowdown in certain situations in games and would give the advantage to those who have upgraded systems…..anyways, that’s what console makers think.

And I feel the same exact way as you do in regards to consoles becoming all in one multimedia machines….apparently they haven’t learned the lesson of past failures (philips cdi, panasonic 3do to name a couple). I love the older systems such as nes, sega genesis (I just picked up a genesis on craigslist yesterday) :) Genesis had the best sports games….and so many awesome shmups!! Shmups are nonexistent in todays consoles. If I didn;t have a jtag 360, I wouldn;t be able to play the many shmups that are released in Japan.
To me, todays games are so scripted….they’re like movies. I don’t play online anymore, and all of the single player campaigns are so ridiculously scripted, they just suck.
Give me some Contra & Mike Tyson punchout, and I’m a happy camper :) I hook up my NES (purchased in 1985 and never red ringed lol) every x-mas and my kids love the games. I did have to replace the 72-pin connector last year and I cleaned all of my carts and system works like brand new :) If you want to know how to clean them professionally and safely,I’ll let you know!

Not A PC Gamer

Sorry for getting back to you 3 days late man. I’ve been really busy and Yesterday I got caught up with a butthurt troll on here. Nowadays I barely have time for any internet comments or message boards if I want to have at least 2 hours to game a night after work.

You brought up something here that I’ve been wondering about for a very long time.. and why I always thought PC gaming was a very un-even playing feild because of all the variables.. graphics cards, processors, Ram.. hell even something extremely minor like someone who uses an optical mouse instead of a ball mouse and someone with a monitor that has a higher refresh rate than someone else could make a difference in giving someone a slight advantage over another.

You might laugh at this but this is also why I’m so dead set against having people use mice and keyboards on consoles for FPS games. Reason being is that it’s quite a significant advantage with the mouse as opposed to analog sticks with dead spots and aim assist to compensate. Back when I was playing my Dreamcast was the first time I actually saw just how much of an advantage using a mouse and kb really is with both Unreal Tournament and Quake 3 arena.

To the best of my knowledge the Dreamcast was the first console to incorporate cross platform play with PC gamers for those two classic FPS games. Anyhow after having my ass handed to me by people on the pc and people who bought the official Sega Mouse and keyboard I decided to go out and buy the Sega ball mouse for the Dreamcast since I already owned the keyboard for all those hours I logged into Phantasy Star Online. To make a long story short, I actually taught myself how to use a m/kb for FPS games on the dreamcast! At first it was really awkward getting used to the AWSD keys for movement, space to jump and the number keys for binding weapon presets. It took me about 2 weeks to really get proficient with it but after that.. Oh boy! My fragrate nearly quadrupled and I was killing guys I could never touch using the the dreamcast controller. I was able to turn around on a dime and blast people in their faces while being able to Rocket Jump in Q3 with ease and being able to jump off a high ledge, jump off and rocket a group of 3 peeps while sniping another guy on the other side of the room before my feet ever touch the ground!!! For me that was fucking amazing man!

To me the only way to counter the problem of m/kb users playing with controller users would be to have “Segregated Servers”. That way we could have lobbies with just M/kb vs. M/kb, Controller vs. Controller, or mixed for those that simply don’t care about the advantage people have using mice. If something like this was implemented I would be all for having mice and kb on consoles. Hell I fell in love with Quake 3 so much, it’s the only PC game I own along with the Doom and Duke Nukem games in the mid 90’s. So yes, I actually do own a few pc games. :) Anyhow sorry for going off topic.

I don’t know what Shmups are though? Could you explain? I know nothing about the whole hacking/modding of consoles and Jtag Xboxes.. If you could sum it up in a nutshell for me I’m all ears.

Yeah, I totally feel you on those classic consoles.. I still have nearly every one since the Atari VCS with at least 30 games for each. My fondest childhood memories by far was with the NES! Imo, it was the Playstation of it’s day! It had 3rd party support that rivals what X360 and Playstation has today, it was ahead of it’s time and was the console that brought gaming into the mainstream and the console that put life back into the dying industry after the big video game crash in the early 80’s after Atari.

Then again, If it wasn’t for Nintendo.. Sony wouldn’t have gotten into the business. I’m sure you know that story!

I still have Mike Tyson’s Punch out! Fond memories of that game too. Anyhow sorry for the long post, I’ll reply to the other one from 3 days ago tomorrow. I can only reply once every few days though.

pcjoeyd

Hey, no worries my friend…I don’t expect you to respond
right away….there are more important things in life…family & career to name two.

Ok, where do I begin lol First off, and I will argue this till I’m blue in the face, the keyboard & mouse is the ONLY method of input that should be allowed in first person shooters (or something similar..maybe valve’s new controller?)…end of story! Using gamepads/joysticks on fps games is just crazy….the only people that use them are console gamers (because they don’t
know better). I got one of my friend’s using a keyboard & mouse on his 360 and he swears he’ll never go back to
using gamepads for those types of games.
You can make a point where consoles are better than pc’s for gaming and it will have merit (although I highly disagree of course lol), but one area where I will NEVER agree with is the method of choice of using gamepads for fps games. Using mouse & keyboard is so much more fluid & precise than a gamepad will ever be….you can move around fine (for
the most part) using the sticks, but aiming & shooting is a travesty imo.

Ok, now that I got that off my chest lol
Your other point of uneven playing field in multiplayer gaming doesn’t really have much merit either as far as I’m concerned, for two reasons 1.) Your internet connection will be the top deciding factor in how good or bad your gaming will be in online multiplayer. If you’re using 1.5mb DSL, and your buddy is on a 50mb cable connection, he will beat you 9 times out of 10 just because of that. And 2.), if you have a good pc, you should be running most (if not all) of your games at 60fps or better….if both you & your buddy have fast computers, losing because uneven playing field should not be an issue at all. Now granted, if your playing on a Pentium 4 machine and your buddy has a core i5 machine, you are not gonna fare too well
in cod ghosts for example. I would say to those people then to stop being a cheap arse and get a decent PC lol
It drives me nuts when console gamers (and their parents) will spend hundreds (thousands even) on their consoles, games, xbox live, etc.. but don’t think it’s a good idea to shell out $150 for example on a nice video card.

You see, anything over 60fps is a non issue…if a game is
running at 150fps (on average) on your computer, but only runs at 120fps average on your buddies machine, there won’t be any issues at all and gaming will be smooth on both machines… it’s when gaming goes UNDER 60FPS that you notice slowdown and uneven playing field…. Most people will say 30fps, and they may have a point…regardless, if u have a decent machine, you won’t have any issues.,,…(of course assuming that all parties are using keyboard & mouse which should be
the ONLY method of control).

You do bring up a good point about having separate servers
for mouse/keyboard players, but I highly doubt any such thing would be implemented due to server costs/maintenance etc.

PC games are how the developers intended them to be….I’ll
give you 2 prime examples…I have COD Ghosts and Need for Speed Rivals for both PC & xbox 360…for the most part, those games run just fine on the 360, but when you get to parts of the game where there are a lot of “bad guys” on the screen, or in the case of nfs a lot of cars on the screen at the same time, you
get significant slowdown in those games on 360, but same games on my PC run smooth as butter, and I don’t have a top of the line pc…I would categorize my rig as midrange. And even if you have a relatively slow machine, every game today lets you adjust visual settings to match your hardware….so unless you have a really old computer (or one with no
3D card), you shouldn’t have frame rate issues.

And yes, I have very fond memories of Mike Tyson’s punchout…I still have my NES with about 50 games, and one of them is punchout…love that game!

And as for shmups (stands for “shoot ‘em ups”). They are primarily space shooters…games like Galaga, Thunderforce, RType, Gradius, Gates of Thunder, and on & on. Go on youtube and type in “Lightening Force” (one of my all time favs). That is one genre I never get bored of. I have about 10,000 shmups on my computer from various systems, sega Saturn, Dreamcast, PS1, PS2, turbografx, sega genesis. And I agree the Dreamcast was a great system…very much ahead of it’s time.
You could hook it up to a monitor and it had MUCH better graphics than PS2…never understood why ps2 did so well and dreamcast died so quick….guess it had better games. I never actually owned a dreamcast, but I have an awesome dreamcast emulator on my PC that plays all of those games and there are some classics on that system.

Funny you should mention Unreal Tournament…I LOVED that game…that was when I was really into fps games, cause they were so new and awesome… but nowadays every game that comes out is a fps game….and to pour salt in the wounds, people use gamepads now with ‘em terrible! Lol

I would get in to modding/hacking, but a) this already is a
long arse paragraph, and b) I don’t think this is the forum to do so….in short, it allows you to run homebrew apps (free programs) on your console….one of which are
emulators (programs that allow your system to run games from legacy systems, such as nes, snes, etc etc), like you can on a PC.. and it will also allow you to do sooo much more if you
want more info, I’ll give you my e-mail address and we can get into the nitty gritty from there :-)

pcjoeyd

also wanted to mention some things in regards to building a new pc and/or upgrading current gaming rigs. First off, you do NOT need a top of the line core i7 cpu….core i5 cpu’s are just fine for gaming. Heck, you can get away with a core 2 quad running at 3.2ghz with the right video card (although i recommend core i5). And if you know how to overclock, I highly recommend doing so as you can save a ton of money.

And when it comes to system RAM, the amount and speed of RAM is HIGHLY overrated. Any DDR3 ram will do (or even ddr2 800 for older systems), and all you need is 8gb (u can get away with even 4gb today)….so all the talk about fast “gaming” memory is just ridiculous.

What’s most important in a gaming rig is your video card. I recommend at a minimum a Radeon HD 7850 2 GB card. You can get one of these on ebay for $130 used…..a fantastic video card for the price. If you have a decent machine right now (with an amd phenom or core i5/i7 cpu, put one of these in your system and it will transform it into a gaming machine! And then 2 years from now when you want to upgrade, you can simply buy a newer faster video card probably for the same price. The point is, you don;t have to spend an arm & a leg to upgrade your PC for gaming, and also it is easy as pie to take out your current video card and replace with another….windows 7 or 8 make it very painless. $130 a lot of money? it beats spending $550 every 6 years on a new console, which won’t allow you to play your old games any more.

anyways, those are my thoughts on upgrading your rig….not as painful (or expensive) as people make it out to be. hardware prices are dirt cheap these days.

Not A PC Gamer

Well the way you say it.. you make it seem so easy haha! :) I will never rule PC gaming out completely but I just kinda feel I’m set in my ways much like you are with the Windows OS.

If and when I get into it I’ll definitely come to you first. In the meantime though I have this huge problem trying to get pictures off an old Sanyo flip phone from 2010. If you wouldn’t mind taking a look at the solution this guy posted on some forums, I’d really appreciate it because I took that phone to 3 mom and pops cell phone repair shops out here including a sprint corporate store and none of them knew how to remove the pictures and put them on either my USB, directly to my new phone.

Anyhow the problem with this guys solution is you have to download a program and specific drivers and trick the program into thinking it’s actually a different model cell phone. My problem is I have no idea how to install the drivers. It’s not an automatic process like when you normally plug in a USB device to your pc.

Let me know If I could leave a link to see if maybe you could talk me through it. Thanks man.

Also.. what you described above does make it seem like it would be a lot less than I originally imagined. My problem is that I would be very unsure about what parts to buy and actually be able to trouble shoot and tweak everything. Maybe one day though..

pcjoeyd

Honestly, you know much more about cell phones than I. I have never owned a smartphone believe it or not and still have an old flip phone that I use for work. I don;t pay anything for it as it’s a work phone and that suits me just fine lol I just don;t want an extra bill. I have free texting and phone via google voice on my pc and that works for me. It drives me nuts all of the people spending $150-$200 a month for their smartphone. Nobody uses a landline phone anymore…and the delay of cell phones I just can;t stand….i don;t mind when i’m working outside on a job…but when I’m home it drives me insane.
Anyhoo, yeah I don’t know anything about smartphones & apps….sorry I can;t be of help :( Portable devices & portable gaming has never interested me sorry to say.
And using Windows 8 briefly is a joke…it’s basically a tablet OS. will be using windows 7 forever I suppose lol

IKROWNI

Macs are the consoles of computers. Locked down and crap for gaming on. If you don’t want to use ms you can always turn to Linux/Ubuntu/steamOS…. With steamOS you will have normal browsing and other normal pc functions but can also click a button and have a console type interface right there for all your gaming needs. It will do updates/patches in the background just like a console and if you ever feel like having better graphics and enhancing your system to match what the game devs are capable of doing in the most current games then its as easy as slide out the old slide in the new. Almost every game that is on consoles are on pc with the exception of a couple. You could take a couple of your old games to GameStop trade them in for a steam gift card and repurchase your entire game library for just a few bucks. Anyways have fun and at least look at a pc playing a current gen game with good specs before turning your nose up at it. Consoles tend to have the most 10 year olds running about team killing, trash talking and screaming in there mics. You don’t get that kind of shit in the pc world nearly as much. Mostly adult gamers 20+years old.

Not A PC Gamer

Not really interested in Steam OS or Linux.. I’ll consider either a MAC or a Chromebook.. As I said I don’t care about gaming on PC’s Thanks for the reply though.

IKROWNI

A console with the ability to upgrade? I’m pretty sure what you speak of is a pc. Since the next gen consoles are nothing more than a pc that ms/Sony tell you what you can and can’t do with it.

pcjoeyd

you’re pretty much correct… but what I was referring to is a device (game console) with the ability to slide in say a pci express graphics card as an upgrade. It can be just like the current consoles but with an expansion slot in the back (and obviously an empty pci-express slot on the motherboard)…..they can do it and make it simple to upgrade….but of course it will NEVER happen.

pcjoeyd

and as far as the next gen systems go…i think red ring is a thing of the past for Microsoft…for one, they’re now using Intel x86 cpu’s and in the case of the xbox one, it is very roomy inside with a nice big 112mm fan (finally). It’s more like a PC really.
I think out of the two, the PS4 will be the system more likely to give problems (it’s cramped inside)…but we shall see.
Today, consoles are basically PC’s….and PC’s are more like consoles now too (win 8 metro dash, u can use same controllers as consoles now…everything just works (as opposed to years ago when we were using DOS & Win 95/98, etc etc.

Not A PC Gamer

I hope for their sake RROD is a thing of the past. You’re right consoles are dumbed down PCs on a technical level with the only thing setting them apart of course is Accessibility and ease of use for the user. Because of this alone I still feel “Realistically” that there is a difference still. On a technical level I agree though, they are PCs..

Maybe one day. My XBL gold ran out so I can no longer use HBO GO on the xbox so I decided to guy a 10 foot HDMI from Monoprice and am now enjoying the app (without being hidden behind Microsoft’s crooked paywall) with my laptop instead. Just hooking up my laptop to my Sony 40 inch Bravia was a first for me.

I hope one day things become a lot more simplified.. perhaps something similiar to what the Steambox might do and I might look into this.

pcjoeyd

yeah, i think it’s bullcrap they force users to buy xbox live to use apps like espn 3, netflix, hulu, etc etc.

and yeah, it;s awesome hooking up a pc to your tv. I use my desktop pc as my entertainment hub if you will.. everything streams from that PC…I have so much stuff on there it’s ridiculous (and mostly everything is free) :)

Not A PC Gamer

Totally agree.. the fact that they hide these free apps behind a paywall really says a lot about them as a company I don’t wish to do business with anymore. As I said when my Gold runs out, I’ll be hooking up my laptop via HDMI to use HBOGO.

http://Techderp.net/ Moscato SugarRush

Wireless mouse and keyboard… They work fine

KiLLaMaNiLLa

Coming from a old ass man talking shit.Look at this tough guy and keep up with the times kids these days get more pussy then you prob have had in your lifetime but keep talking shit to fill the void that is your worthlessness.And just so you know most of gamers are console gamers because buying a PC is a lot more expensive so you might want to think before opening you pole smoking lips.

Not A PC Gamer

Actually I would love to see you alone on the streets running your mouth the way you do here behind a keyboard. It’s easy to say I would break both of your ribs and make you suck that flacid uncircumsized piece of skin in between your legs you call a penis.. but I would.

The plain simple fact that you defend these mellennial baby nerds of this generation tells me you are still in highschool. You better never talk about polesmoking because ive seen your kind on the internet before.

Difference between me and you is I have the balls to say these things to people face to face whereas you don’t. I find it hillarious that you get off on this because not only can you pastey faced pc computer internet weened nerds can’t fight, you can’t debate if your life depended on it. Now run along Timmy and remember..

You really haven’t heard of any of those? Which rock do you live under again? And whoever told you that you can’t plug a pc into a TV and use a controller?

Not A PC Gamer

Heard of all of these.. and your point? Oh that’s right.. you don’t have none! Typical PC gamer..

IKROWNI

Well it was your words that said:

“Go run along with your niche titles that the rest of the gaming community hasn’t even heard of”

I list off a handful of games then you respond back saying:

“Heard of all of these.. and your point? Oh that’s right.. you don’t have none! Typical PC gamer..”

So which lie do we believe number 1 or number 2? Typical console flamer can’t make up his mind on the simple shit, this guy doesn’t know his asshole from his elbow!

Not A PC Gamer

I know exactly what I said and Most PC games are niche titles the vast majority and mainstream audiences haven’t heard of. Again I have no interest, not the time needed to invest in learning all the nonsense that goes with PC gaming. Sorry dude, that shit aint for me pal. LOL

Bob

My opinion probably isn’t relevant because I don’t fit either of these angry warring groups.

Sure, keyboard/mouse gaming means you’ll develop a mighty Gollum-like hunch, you have a good point there. But seeing as pretty much any laptop these days has both USB (for Xbox controllers) and HDMI (for TV output), why not use them the same way as a console?

I used to be firmly on the console gamers’ sides until with each successive release they ramped up the price (to the point where they’re no cheaper than a mid-range gaming laptop) without also providing all the other features a PC can. As this article says all a PS4’ll do is pretty much just play games and a little iTunes-style limited media.
Just seems like a bad trade-off at this point.

As for the generic choices… the vast majority of console games end up on the PC and all the main consoles anyway, so I’m not sure what you mean.
I’d say the (mostly free) mods give PC gaming the edge and can often completely transform the game in question, why do you think the consoles have been pushing the user-generated content angle for a while now?

Guest2

A wild fanboy appears! :D

KiLLaMaNiLLa

If you knew what steam really is like then you wouldn’t be running your mouth you can get games for dirt cheap they look better and they always have sales every single day that coming to a home as a console would put a hurtin on the competition. so stick with your consoles yeah next gen is sick i own both and a high end PC and i must say Steam is amazing so you might want to think before you speak.

Not A PC Gamer

Actually I know enough about what Steam is like because I have 1 solitary single friend who happens to be a PC gamer. Maybe you should keep your biased opinions to yourself. In the meantime, I’ll continue to run my mouth about a novelty of a gaming platform that has never existed to me in my 35 plus years of gaming starting with the Atari VCS.

EARL DIASANTA

Its because these poor console dickquad illiterate morons are either broke, don’t have a job to buy a high end pc or their career isn’t in information technology. I pity for all the media following sheep.

MrMidstream

Your post should have been titled “worst analogies of 2013″.

Matthew Bryant

I can guarantee compatibility problems will be a constant plague for Steam OS.

CrazedLeper

…”sought” after.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> steamos what’s it do?

little

Benton Ledbetter

The thing with steam is a lot of really good games get sold for a very
low price once it is a year old or so. Tons of games for under 10 buck. You don’t need steam os to enjoy all the benefits of steam. PC’s support the wired xbox 360 controller, no need for the steam one, unless you want it. Steam has tons of great free to play tittles as well. Star Conflict is probably the best looking free to pay ever.

Ahhh I love this, you base your argument on 2 facts, neither of which are true. Oh internet ;) your so silly. Yes the next gen consoles support both 1080p and 60fps. I don’t know where you got your terrible facts, especially since the previous gen consoles also supported both of those.

Oh and this mantle your talking about is something the consoles have had for years, pc is just catching up. PCs have to talk to the GPU with directx or OpenGL, and now mantle will allow the software to directly talk to the gpu, giving it speed and development advantages, but since consoles were designed specifically for games, they were made to be used without direct x or open gl. Also only amd cards will support mantle.

If your going to keep up this “PC master race” elitism, at least know that your full of $h*t

IKROWNI

That’s funny last I heard ps4 uses opengl and xbone uses directx so please try try again its getting to be fun seeing you try anymore. And your absolutely right consoles always did have just 1 thing that PC didn’t and as you stated mantle is going to cause that to no longer be a hand up for consoles anymore. So everything I originally stated still holds true, and your just left looking like a liar. I guess its natural to start lying when you’ve been backed into a corner and have nothing left to bring to the debate.

And your absolutely right once these patches come out they might show some games in 1080p 60fps at low settings with aa off shadow on low and everything else turned down/off. Your right!

Matthew Bryant

You have no idea what you’re talking about. Just be quiet and let the adults talk okay? The problem with PC elitists is that most of them know crap about the hardware, drivers, and software they praise all day long. Yes, there are advantages to the PC, but gaming PCs will never be as cheap or efficient as consoles. You will always get a better value per dollar spent with consoles than gaming PCs. Obviously you will get considerably better graphics from a $1500 PC than a $400 console, but the PS4 will easily match a $800-$1000 PC. Launch games are a terrible way to compare console experience to PC experience. In 3 years consoles will give a much better experience than they do today. The same is not true of the $1000 gaming PC. PCs are more expensive. C’est la vie. I have both a gaming PC and a PS3 and I enjoy both. I’ll be getting a PS4 soon. Stop being an idiot.

IKROWNI

here ya go check out this article sums it all up in easy to understand terms of how wrong you are

This article is looking at launch games and assuming that things won’t change drastically over the next year, much less the next 5 years. Sure you can build a PC for $800 – $900 that will play better looking games right now. That won’t be true in 3 years. In 3 years the PS4 will make that same PC look outdated. Reality exists and hiding behind an article that doesn’t even say what you’re trying to make it say isn’t going to change that. Either do some research and learn something about the field that you’re pretending to be an expert in or shut up. Thanks.

Benton Ledbetter

The PC I am on now I built in 2009 shortly after I got a bad PS3 and the warranty did not cover a burnt power supply. I have upgraded the GPU, but even the old gpu was far ahead. Never has the PS3 equaled my machine. Bf4 Plays at 60 to 80 fps with most settings on high, maxed it runs 38 to 45, every other game out there i can max out with 120 to 240 fps.
GTA 4 looks better on my PC than gta5 does on my PS3. I really cant wait for GTA5 to be released for my PC, because playing it on my PS3 sucks because it looks so crappy.

Joe

Who honestly gives a damn how ‘pretty’ something is? Keep your nedspecs to yourself, at least my PS4 will allow me to play every game with that… you know.. PS4 label on it. Eventually, your PC will be unable to play ‘PC’ games. Your nerdgraphics aren’t the most important thing in the world.

Benton Ledbetter

You said ” Who honestly gives a damn how ‘pretty’ something is?”
……………………………………………………………..”clear”

I wouldn’t call it it pretty. I would say how clear the picture is. I guess if you are still using a tube TV or a low end 720p flat screen, then who will see the difference.

The same PCs sold at release day still crush the PS3. Specific models of course with specific cards. Better graphics increase clarity making further away enemies much easier to spot.

The thing is, the 8 core is nothing new. It was called cells, but cells are cores. the PS4 is an upgrade, but not really much of one, especially with all the things they took away.

Yes I got a PS4 too. Mainly so I can play GTA5 until a PC version is released. To be honest the PS4 does not compare to any of the PCs I own. I was really expecting a lot more. But at 400 bucks I guess I should not have expected all that much.

Since when is being intelligent a bad thing?

Dylan Rankin

HAHA when does GTA V even come out for PS4 because it definitely wasn’t a launch game.. That was gonna be the first game i purchased aside from FIFA with my PS4. Do they even have a release date set for GTA V on next gen systems..?

By the way I own a PS4 I’m just crying because I sold my PS3 to save a little money.. Worst decision of my life :(

Not A PC Gamer

Exactly. Fuck these Master Race nerds and their fucking specs.

Bruce Hanson

Not sure if you remember the game crysus for PC… But there is no way a ps3 or 360 would run it on high graphics when a $800 PC could. Boom!

pcjoeyd

what you just said makes no sense…I for one upgrade my pc about once a year….MY pc will be way faster & more powerful than the PS4 in 3 years time. I will be able to play most games the PS4 plays but at much higher resolutions with all eye candy turned on…..so how will the ps4 be more powerful than my machine 3 yrs from now?

Battlereaver

You should go Google Perfect Dark Zero for the Xbox 360 and then Google Halo 4… That is the difference a few years makes when developers learn the limits of a new console.

IKROWNI

and you should google ps3 cell architecture amd google ibm powerpc architecture. the reason it took the devs so long to make good looking games on the 360 and the ps3 is because those 2 architectures were completely new to them. now they are both using x86 so there is nothing for them to learn that they dont already know. so wtf do you people keep talking about when they learn the hardware of the ps4? the ps4 is simply old pc hardware using x86 which hopefully the game devs know how to use i really really hope that they do. since all the games ever were built using a machine running x86 or x64 then optimized to be used with cell or powerpc architecture. are you starting to get it now?

Battlereaver

Gee Mister I don’t think I get it… Can you please explain video game design which you clearly are an expert in.

UE

Really? because I can easily build a pc with a 290 for $700…
Do tell me the ways that that machine will loose out to the ps4 I currently own.

Also this time around the architecture on both systems is a x86 architecture and AMD are pushing mantle which has been compared as being very very similar to sony’s API for the ps4 and quite easy to port from one to the other.
Sorry but the ports coming to pc this time around will be a fair bit different from the last generation, there is more focus on actually utilizing multicore processing and 64bit instruction sets.

Heck look at the pc market now, on the digital field it is actually gaining a HUGE amount of traction, developers can nolonger ignore it as an inconsequential or unprofitable market like in the past, controllers work on personal computers, towers are fairly small and inexpensive with custom builds and places like steam are showing the sort of functionality that people want in such a way that people have been moving further away from pirating everything under the sun for the want of better service and a visual collection.

I own a ps4, ps3, vita, two psp go, two ps2, xbox 360 and used to have a wii. Your analysis isn’t quite correct though and thought I had to put out a little bit of a counter argument. I don’t disagree with why you are arguing, just some of the points I feel are a bit more exaggerated than they actually are.

Matthew Bryant

Optimization makes a world of difference. As I said, in 3 years that same PC won’t be capable of the graphic quality that developers can get out of the PS4. Also, to get a decent 290 you’re looking around $300 to $400. There’s no way you’re building a decent computer with $300 outside of the GPU. No, you’re looking at around $800 at least, and $900 is more likely. The PSU to support the GPU will cost $100 by itself unless you’re getting a crappy one that risks killing your entire system. Not to mention the CPU, hard drive, DVD/BDD, and RAM. Even then, that PC won’t compete with the PS4 in 3 years. The 290 can’t compete with the 8 GBs of GDDR5 in the PS4 from a graphical RAM standpoint. As many developers have already stated, you get about twice the power from a console GPU as a PC GPU due to efficiency and writing low level code. Mantle won’t fix that for games. There’s too many GPUs for that to be possible. So unless you’re looking at SLI double 290s, you’re not going to get a better platform in the long run than the PS4.

Take The Last of Us for instance. What PC 6 years ago could run a game that looked like that? Almost none. It would’ve cost you a fortune. The hardware in the PS3 is horrible on paper with the exception of the cell processor. Developers will find amazing ways to optimize the PS4. They’ll never really optimize the PC. It’s too all over the place for them to even bother trying.

Benton Ledbetter

We are at a point in time where many PS’s out today can support any game at max resolution with just 2 upgrades. Ram and GPU.
They drop in like legos. Most people have a pc capable now. 8gbs ram and 200 dollar card will smoke any console on the market.

Even if you know nothing about PC’s you can go to a small PC repair shop and get the ram and gpu dropped in for cheap. For a PC guy you seem to have forgot that technology is at a stand still for the last 3 years.

Joe

I learned the difference between your and you’re in first grade. Maybe you should spend a little less time playing games and a little more time learning how to do something as simple as proper spelling and grammar.

IKROWNI

Yes i know proper grammar, and when posting quickly and getting back to work I don’t really give 2 shits how it comes out especially to the dull mass of morons. Obviously some asses around here have the luxury to sit around all day and correct the internets screwups. I don’t have time to afford that luxury unfortunately. Aside from that, unless i’m using my keyboard with my nexus it will autocorrect to all sorts of different things that I would rather it not change to. Which is why you will see some of my posts look fine where others sometimes are hard to follow. If you also look through my edits on my comments you will see that i spend a lot of time trying to cleanup these autocorrects and mishaps when I have the free time to do so.

But anyways please tell us more of what you learned in 1st grade, im so very interested. Let me guess.
Your a 30-35 year old male, religious, thinks gay people are obominations, obama supporter, sucks in food stamps and medical from the working class. While at the same time dodging child support on 2 kids so you could buy a PS3 1/2? I know it’s spooky how accurate I can be right?

m@

oh come on Brian ffs, If you gonna call someone else out at least know what the hell your talking about please!

1) yes both consoles have the ABILITY to play 1080p at 60fps BUT neither actually has yet, they’ve either had to drop (average) fps or drop resolution, and anyway with IGZO and alike displays there will be consumer priced 2K and 4K displays in a year or two and then what are the consoles going to do?

2) Consoles might have had bare metal connectivity with the GPU/CPU for years but guess what, this generation they’re both on either Open CL or Direct X so there’s no more of that! but on the bright side both are going to have the Mantle API just like AMD powered PC’s so again the only difference is my 2 year old PC is already 3 times as powerful as either console will out last both if i wanted it to and cost me a couple of hundred bucks more than either.

Sorry I used to love console gaming but if you look at the new generation objectively there is almost no reason to buy either at the moment as far as i can see and I’ve not even mentioned the cheaper games on a PC or the modding scene.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> objectively there is almost no reason to buy either

(1)
no physical game media

(2)
doing one thing not well

(3)
gross disrespect for user

(4)
to “stop” piracy treat all users like criminals

(5)
humorous terms of service more draconian than paypal

bilwis

thank you for saying this.

Matthew Bryant

Both consoles have a low level API for their GPU. You’re wrong. Moving on…

Greg Smith

Fisrt off you obviously haven’t seen nor played KZ: SF. It does run at 1080 an 60fps. Oh wait, so do the last 3 call of duty’s on ps3. That last one is a known fact. Secondly, consumer priced 2k and 4k. Really? In 2 years when they do come out even the a 2k tv will be over $6000. Good luck with that.

devogod

4k tvs can already be had for less than $4000. Sony XBR-55X900A for example.

IKROWNI

yea but i would stay away from the sony 4k they seem to be the most expensive out of all of them

devogod

Seiki Digital SE50UY04 4k tv can be had for $1500 or so.

IKROWNI

well heres a 4k tv for $119.10 if you have a military id or know someone with a military id in your family.

they also have 55″ for $895 so please tell me more of this not in 2 years please?

actionjksn

I’ll tell you something else that moron is to ignorant to know. Years ago when you built a gaming PC it would have to be upgraded fairly soon to keep playing the newest games. Well that is no longer true

. I have a really outdated gaming PC and it still plays games really well, and it doesn’t cost that much to do incremental upgrades anymore. You can get a really nice graphics card now for only a couple hundred dollars and if you add 40 or 50 to that then it gets a lot better still. He’s still talking about when those cards used to cost 600+ dollars for something that wasn’t that amazing. It’s just not as expensive as it used too be.

My old outdated C2Q GTX 200 series SLI system is probably on par with these new consoles. And with a 200 to 400 dollar graphics upgrade it would smoke them big time..I am about due for a motherboard,CPU,ram and Graphics upgrade soon now though. And I’ll use it for another 5 years.

http://Techderp.net/ Moscato SugarRush

To elaborate on what the’s saying, moores law is slowing down a lot

FireFox Bancroft

Neither one of your “Next Gen” Consoles support Mantle nor will they be ever able to use it so quit bullshitting. AMD has stated it is a “PC Only thing” And it’s available to Steam Machines as well because Steam Machines are PC’s not consoles. Your precious little toy boxes are using last-gen hardware and calling themselves Next Gen, they can’t even do 1080p properly they have to have their games patches and after they’re patched run at 35 frames per second. The Xbone isn’t even true 1080p it’s 900p. Face it you console kiddies wasted top dollar on worthless plastic paper-weights with old tech in them.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> wasted top dollar on worthless plastic paper-weights with old tech

the non-upgradability is a PLUS for many: developers CONSTRAINED to hardware eliminates the

MONEY-PIT-EFFECT

of pc gaming

http://Techderp.net/ Moscato SugarRush

I hope you know moore’s law is slowing down drastically.

We’ve had less than 30% IPC improvement in 4 generations of intel processors.

In 4 years of GPUs, at the same power level, we’ve only doubled.

Mario Dupuis

moores law has never been about speed, but more about doubling the number of transistors in a chip, which has kept up and is still keeping up at once every 18 months or so. That doesn’t mean that it will double the speed evry 18 months, but efficiency of the hardware is improving at each iteration

http://Techderp.net/ Moscato SugarRush

Moore’s law still has slowed down in that department, as nvidia claims it is no longer looking at going to a smaller node than 28nm

Fewer and fewer silicon manufacturers can progress further, and there has been some discussion as to if 10nm will be the theoretical limit due to quantum instability

Matthew Bryant

Why would they need mantle? The low level access given to developers through Sony’s own API is far more efficient than Mantle. Mantle will be useless in 95% of game developer situations anyway. It can’t optimize code for every ATI GPU at the push of a button. The time it would take to reach efficiency is ridiculously large when dealing with unknown hardware. Mantle is meant for use in a corporate setting where most PCs will be uniform. It’s virtually useless when dealing with unknown systems. You can optimize for one, but there’s no way you can justify wasting the development time to optimize for every GPU on the market. Low level access or not, it’s no feasible to use Mantle for every day situations. Your argument makes no sense. If you’re gonna talk, at least know what you’re talking about.

IKROWNI

obviously you dont know how mantle works eh? mantle makes it so game devs have to develop the games for mantle after that they are “optimized” for all amd gpu’s. theres really no difference between how mantle and ps will handle optimization. your ps4 game devs will be turning graphical settings, resolution, and fps to find a balance that is most playable. mantle will do the same scanning your hardware finding out what its capabilites are and then tuning the graphicsa sliders in the game down to what the hardware can handle the game at. mantle will not be able to magically make the games perform better than the hardware will allow, but then on the other side of the fence you have console fangirls crying out that optimization will make the hardware do something it physically can not.

Greg Smith

Since Mantle can be ported as software Einstein, all sony needs to do is update the console, which is what? Oh, it’s an AMD GPU…..sorry. Sony already said this as well as using a patch so the console can use the cloud for computing. But since Mantle is useless anyway for most dev’s, you can keep your broken system.

Matthew Bryant

Again lack of uniform GPUs makes Mantle almost useless without a ridiculous amount of optimization that literally no developer will ever do. Mantle is practically useless for anything but settings where many people will be running a program using the same hardware.

IKROWNI

ahhh now i come back and look at this comment and see that 20 people upvoted it even though you said nothing but lies and its easily proved that your a liar about everything you said in that comment. it just goes to show no matter how big of a lie console fanboys will believe it as long as its praising the system that they bought.

if your gonna keep up this console fanboyism at least tell the truth and stop being full of shit!

Benton Ledbetter

At the moment neither console being release truly support 1080p. The PS4 up-samples 900p to 1080 and the Xbox up-samples 720p to 1080p. I was quite disappointed when I found these specs. There may be a patch in the os code to allow it on the PS4, but the Xbox seems to be forever up-sampled from reports all over. They claim the average user will not be able to tell the difference. We have been stuck at 720p for a decade now, its a bit of a let down.

So what this boils down to is; if you got a PC with a quad core, and 8gbs of ram already, go and buy a a hd7950 or a gtx 680, and skip this console release. The HD 7950 is 250 buck and 384bits in it. The down side is you may have to wait a few more months for some releases to make it to the PC. The pros are you will have much better graphics, and you don’t need a stupid disk to play. Nothing worse than a scratched disk to ruin your favorite game.

http://Techderp.net/ Moscato SugarRush

Wii u has a higher % of 1080p 60fps titles than the xbox one

Brian

Ahhh I love this, you base your argument on 2 facts, neither of which are true. Oh internet ;) your so silly. Yes the next gen consoles support both 1080p and 60fps. I don’t know where you got your terrible facts, especially since the previous gen consoles also supported both of those.

Oh and this mantle your talking about is something the consoles have had for years, pc is just catching up. PCs have to talk to the GPU with directx or OpenGL, and now mantle will allow the software to directly talk to the gpu, giving it speed and development advantages, but since consoles were designed specifically for games, they were made to be used without direct x or open gl. Also only amd cards will support mantle.

If your going to keep up this “PC master race” elitism, at least know that your full of $h*t

brendon

The HDMI issues is a very rare thing and for them they can return it for another one. Mine has no issues. And the console is 60 fps capable its the game devs that decide this as some game DO run at 60 while some do not. And as some games DO run at 1080 and some do not. I’ve had no issues on my end either hmdi issues and other things are at 0.4%

Matthew Bryant

Lack of uniform hardware still makes it less efficient than a console. You’ll be able to download Steam OS a few days before it releases probably anyway.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

fail if it does fully support CUDA

ati doesn’t have anything close

roku? that’s a bit cretinous as a come back doncha think? Even boxee box’s bastardized xbmc is less horrible than roku

$9/mo for hulufarce plus? That’s more than a sickbeard instance which allows MY way (for the content I legally acquire)

1080p is NOT descriptive enough. even netf*x does 1080p but at ABYSMAL compression and ATROCIOUS bitrates. With lousy slow symmetric 50 megabits/sec fios netf*x plays like an imbecilic-group recode

> g I have has external storage

Hopefully you mean everything is lan capable of accessing your

___ ZFS Z5 via NFSv3 ____

Or being a roku fan do you think wifi and samba are good ideas, too?

das

u forgot ps4 overheats :)

Michael Papazis

I guess PlayStation shit on you now didn’t they? All these games and the 2.0 update, who’s laughing now buddy, ddr5 ram, they lose $60 on each console for us, mine came with 2 free hard copy gamesgames. Look at where were at in 2015 and where the wonderful “steam os/machine” is. Steam gone no where, PS4 won.

justerthought

Exactly. This argument will go on until the end of time, because geeky IT nerds think they are on a higher level of understanding, but they are deluded. They play god and think they are part of the master race. Yes knowledge is power, but too much knowledge in the hands of a fool is dangerous. They cannot evaluate the full picture and broadcast a one very side view.

What they don’t know is that many console users actually have PC’s and Mac’s as well and do all the technical upgrade stuff and maintenance, they have degrees in computer science, but choose the console for a reason. I moved to console gaming because it was less hassle and a far superior eco system for games.

Console graphics will never match a cutting edge PC because you can always buy a bigger sledge hammer to crack that nut, but it’s an inefficient beast that will cost you and have you scratching your head why the latest games isn’t performing properly. Having the best graphics is not the ultimate importance. The PS4 graphics are sufficiently powerful and does not get into diminishing returns fuelled by a fidelity addiction.

I’m a gamer. I just want to pop it in and have it play first time. I don’t want to put my IT geek hat on and sort it out. Playing IT geek is not my hobby. I’m a gamer. I want to play games.

PC exclusive guys need to realise that there is great value in the reliability of a closed system. I’ve been there, done that and got tired running the tread mil.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> they are deluded

Using your conclusion as evidence?

> far superior eco system for games

Self evidently false: pc can be upgraded. It does require upgrading often to accommodate lazy development.

> Console graphics will never match a cutting edge PC because

You understand but you maintain the opposite is true?

> the best graphics is not the ultimate importance

I/O throughput is ultimate importance

> a fidelity addiction

fidelity preference is not an addiction. flac > mp3

> I’m a gamer

I’m not. I prefer actual socialization and a balanced life ideology.

> I don’t want to put my IT geek hat on and sort it out

Then stop fiddling with windows, apply security best practices (ditch that sh|t box ‘router’ for pfsense), beat to death purveyors of the adware flavor of malware.

> PC exclusive guys

Not me either.

> great value in the reliability of a closed system

true if you refer to the non-upgradability.

False if you have been Stockholm’d by a walled garden

Matthew Bryant

The “IT nerds” would never make the stupid argument that PCs are inherently better than consoles in the first place. You’re arguing with ignorant children. Yes, obviously you can build a PC that’s better than next gen consoles and will be better for the entirety of next generation for around $1200-$1500. So if money isn’t a problem and they’re okay missing out on all the console exclusives then they can go have fun playing around with their master race for the next 7 years. For people who enjoy gaming in general or are looking for a great experience for less money, consoles are a very viable alternative. Real “IT nerds” would tell you that next gen consoles (particularly the PS4) provide a ton of power for a low price. That’s reality. Pretending that everyone should game on PCs belongs to entitled children who are more concerned with being somehow superior to the other kids than actually enjoying gaming.

http://Techderp.net/ Moscato SugarRush

You can build a PC that has better hardware than the consoles for the same price as a playstation 4.

justerthought

It’s really annoying how you guys all fight with each other about which is best. PC, laptop, PS4, XB1 and steam box. They are all computers. They all have different uses and target a different market. You buy what suits your needs. If it suits your needs, it is the best option. Fools like you telling people what is good for them is arrogant and ignorant. What you are really saying is that it is right for your circumstances, but you lack the tolerance to accept it may not be the right choice for others.

Even XB1 and PS4 are targeting different markets. You just need to make sure which market you’re buying into because XB1 is a multimedia console not a games console.

IKROWNI

Its really annoying reading all that to only see at the end of it you tell people not to get an xbone for gaming, your such a douche

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> What you are really saying is that it is right for your circumstances,

I hope you’re not writing any

“it works for me”

type ‘reviews’ on the interweb. Those are the worst. They only apply next time I’m you: never.

> If it suits your needs, it is the best option

Not necessarily. Fold in financial ability.

> Even XB1 and PS4 are targeting different markets

The past and the future? I bought XB1 for xbmc. As a bonus it also played console games.

> lack the tolerance to accept it may not be the right choice for others

Tolerate the man.

Be intolerant of grave evil.

Matthew Bryant

All reviews are subjective. Humans can’t negate their opinions. I don’t agree with 90% of the JRPG reviews this generation, but that’s life. Besides, most reviews have been glowing for the PS4. Not for PS4 launch games, but for the PS4 itself they’ve been almost perfect.

Also, learn English. Maybe it’s not your first language, but you type like a confused 10 year old on drugs.

wegf

The problem is no console moron can ever give a justifiable answer for why he doesnt play on his PC. A PC owner doesnt have to own a console, but a console owner must own a PC. SO why the f*** wont they just buy a decent GPU so that the whole world can enjoy unified gaming at a high end and exclusives can be flushed down the toilet.

Yu Wetard

People like you should be castrated for your stupidity.

IKROWNI

OK that makes perfect sense man. Tell me what makes a nextgen console different from a pc? Since I’m so stupid for saying the consoles are nothing more than locked up and dumbed down pc, what makes them different?

Is it the apu? The motherboard? The PSU? The onboard graphics? The ram? The HDMI port? Come on asshat wtf makes it different other than an OS that allows the user to use a single guided path, and the lost warranty for opening the console.

You see what I mean? Everysingle person that doesn’t agree with you you start talking down to with insults. Son I better see your ass on Live before the night is up because I’m going to have a feild day with you, put you in your proper place with ease and then upload our conversation to youtube unedited for the world to see how jaded and pussified you PC gamers really are. Anytime son.. anytime.

Next time you want to play with the big boys.. You can leave a gamertag and lets talk about you flying out here eh? As if I PC gamer could fight.. You pussies are more docile than Japanese women only difference is they don’t have pastey faced skin from being inside all day and don’t sport ingrown nose hairs and personalities of Roof Shingles that nearly 90% of PC gamers do.

Now please reply to all that I have said… because I control you and own your mind kid! I’m in your head like an itch you can’t scratch and there is nothing you can do about it.. So deal with that son, STFU and bow down to your elders bitch before you write a check your skinny ass can’t cash.

IKROWNI

you could install any os you wanted on a ps4 or xbone if it werent so locked up and dumbed down.

pcjoeyd

that’s exactly the point…you should be gaming on a PC as it’s the most powerful gaming system on the planet. These consoles are nothing more than stripped down shackled PC’s.

Dr.Kleiner

Actually, not really. The prototype specs that valve released stand for the medium powered version of the 7 types they are releasing. Also, the specs aren’t quite as good as ps4 and xbox one- powerful none the less- valve said the steam machine prototype runs for about 500 dollars if they were selling it. Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather have the steam machine over anything, even if it’s the medium powered version. It’s versatility really gets to me, and the operating system can be removed for windows or what have you.

IKROWNI

Here are the specifications for Valve’s 300 prototypes.

The 300 prototype units will ship with the following components:
GPU: some units with NVidia Titan, some GTX780, some GTX760, and some GTX660
CPU: some boxes with Intel i7-4770, some i5-4570, and some i3
RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600 (CPU), 3GB GDDR5 (GPU)
Storage: 1TB/8GB Hybrid SSHD
Power Supply: Internal 450w 80Plus Gold
Dimensions: approx. 12 x 12.4 x 2.9 in high

the mid range is still better than ps4 and xbone hardware, i would still wait till february though for ddr4 before locking anything in at this point. with ddr4 you need a mobo and cpu that can play nice with ddr4 so if you buy something before february it will only be compatible with ddr3.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> specifications for Valve

much like with Coke the ingredients will vary by other market forces. I prefer sugar so I only buy mexican-Coke

> for ddr4

why ignore the myriad of specs for ddr4?

Why aren’t your advocating R-Ram?

IKROWNI

Ddr4 will be available in around the same time oculus rift, steamos, mantle, and many other console killing things will be hitting all within the next couple months

Matthew Bryant

PS+ is honestly a better deal than Steam.

IKROWNI

PS+ offers some free games whoopty wooo look up what happens to those games if your ps+ sub runs out.

Matthew Bryant

I’ve had PS+ for two years. I’ve used Steam for more. Steam is great, but PS+ is a better deal. Get over it.

melodicmizery

if your ps plus runs out you lose those games but when you renew it you get those same games back. with that being said though the games are usually shit. i mean uk got farcry3 mass effect sleeping dogs saints row bulletstorm mortal kombat ninja gaiden, usa got lbl karting lol

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

if it CAN be user updated it WILL NOT save you money: you’ll “get” to upgrade to be able to play the latest games

save money: play OLD games!

IKROWNI

Most games on consoles xbone will be on ps4 so I guess while your playing cod ghost or ass creed or those types of games we will be left with omg the same titles on PC at 1/3 the price

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

So then no rebuttal?

jimmy

alienware is the best get alienware m17x

asd

Alienware is almost as bad as mac, build your own, do a little research. Anyone can build a computer with the help/teaching of the internet.

Kevin Moore

Not laptops though. Alienware still offers the best gaming laptops. Asus and lenovo are producing competing machines for their price but for top quality you still have to go alienware which is essentially just Dells gaming line now. The problem is you’re going to be paying 3 or 4 times what the specs are actually worth. Asus has pretty fair prices but you’re not going to be able to play new games on ultra graphics

AndroidDogHeatandSteelersFan

Alienware does not offer the best gaming laptops. They are high end in price. You do better with Asus G category.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

most every other cutting edge gaming laptop corp is better than alienware

AndroidDogHeatandSteelersFan

Even I’m not biased. You can run windows on mac. And almost have a finishing shiny computer. This is the most idiotic comment I’ve seen today. And no shit, anyone can build a computer with help/teaching from the internet. Common sense?

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

Most people traveling the hackintosh path are those whose time is of LITTLE value

Kevin Moore

Alienware has been in decline for years. All gaming laptops have been. They still offer the best but you’re paying 3x the cost for what equates to 1/2 the value. They just aren’t making strides anymore. The problem is that few manufacturers are even making high performance laptops. Everyone is focusing on tablets now. Which is ultimately going to be a boon to console gaming since the only way to play modern games on a PC will be through an expensive 3rd party or custom box.

Shaun Sawyer

Actually an Origin laptop would be around the same price as Alienware and most likely be better. Origin I believe still has the future proof your system policy which will give you a discount on all future upgrades.
Also Origin is the original Alienware the current Alienware is just Dell.
Also as others have said Asus as well as MSI both offer alternatives to Alienware with the same key components for a much cheaper price. Lenovo also is the best bang for your buck they don’t have the highest end GPUs in their Y series but you can get lower end GTX card, which is still high end, for about 30-50% less than even an MSI. Wait for the Lenovo sales then get their Barnes and Noble Gold account, which is free and I still don’t know what it has to do with Barnes and Noble, and you get an extra 10% off on top of the sale. I got my Y580 for around $800 off retail.

Kevin Moore

Yeah i learned all that when I was looking for my new laptop. Settled on a lenovo y series for $850. Plays most games on med graphics without a hiccup but yeah absolutely right best bang for the buck. Didn’t know the stuff about origin though have to look them up thanks.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

wiki*dia is not your friend

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

msi definitely is cheaper parts

Matthew Bryant

A discount for upgrading a laptop? I can get a discount on RAM? Awesome. You don’t upgrade laptops. You throw them out and buy a new one. That’s why you don’t buy laptops for gaming.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> All gaming laptops have been [declining]

That is extra-false

> Everyone is focusing on tablets now.

A sheeple and his money are quickly separated. The same is sadly true for his dignity: raped privacy thru adware flavor of malware

MY PS4 is DOA – why don’t you put in your article if you get a PS expect it to be a POS. I wish I would have got a steam machine or a xbox one but now I got a $430 brick and $130 worth of 2 games that just sit there that I can’t play.

Shaun Sawyer

Sony is replacing all DOA PS4s for free and even paying for the shipping. Just contact support instead of complaining online about how you wasted $560 dollars. Also whatever those 2 games are should have bought them at Target they have a buy 2 get 1 PS4 game sale going on.

Trey James

They are going to fix it but it sucks waiting. People need to know and be cautious when buying, I think it’s going to be more than 4000 consoles :( I wish I would have known about targets sell. Damn Ebgames. I did waste the money(for now) I should have just waited.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

because steam is all about making the user happy?

Michael Norris

Oh you mean a Pc right?Because that is what the stream machine is just running on a custom Linux Os.

IKROWNI

Yep a pc that makes the switch from console to pc rather easy for the retards that have problems making there own.

Cheese

Both console companies are logically and ethically bankrupt. They are DRMing themselves right out of the business.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

their tos can become much more delightfully draconian!

Matthew Bryant

You’ve obviously never read the ToS for PC games…

Matthew Bryant

Except that neither console company uses DRM. In fact, all of the major publishers aren’t even using online passes anymore. Unless you’re pretending that the necessity to possess the Blu-ray disc is DRM (in which case I’ll call you an idiot). DRM has been WAY more persistent and aggressive in the PC world for many years.

justerthought

Why are you moving to another platform to play gaming when the PS4 gaming is not behind a closed wall DRM. That’s not a reason. And George Hotz was a hacker. He was doing honest gamers no favours by enabling a way to pirate games. If we don’t pay for games, who is going to make them. Sony had no choice. You PC guys always seem to back the hackers as if they are crusaders fighting on your behalf.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> if we don’t pay for games, who is going to make them

I don’t want to prevent the developers from profiting. I want to use the game I PAID FOR the way I WANT to on MY hardware

I modchip’d my XB1 to store the games in the much much larger hard drive I paid to install myself. Not shocking how much less waiting there was for games to load…

Hotz actually never allowed anyone to pirate games. In fact, piracy never actually happened on the PS3. Hotz intentionally left out the ability to pirate games from Homebrew. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending Hotz. I’ll agree that people have the right to do whatever they like to their own consoles after they buy them, but he took it way too far. He provided the means to do serious harm to Sony and to consumers through the information he leaked. There’s nothing good to be gained by telling the world how to get in through the backdoor of a console that millions of people own. Hotz was too proud. He would’ve been fine if he just made Homebrew and was done with it. Instead he told the world how to hack the PS3. He was a really smart idiot.

johndurbinn

Idiot. Go nerd rage somewhere else where people give a shit. You probably look exactly like the dude on the main article image.

Matthew Bryant

Gaming laptop will only cost you about $1500-$2000 to get something even remotely comparable to the PS4. Have fun with that. =D

Zeratul Zum

Actually $1200 should be enough, the PS4 is a mid range gaming PC that is not difficult to beat.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

Walled garden so flee to microsoft?

hahahaha

Falcon D. Stormvoice

That’s fine if what you want to do is tinker. But if you just want to game, the closed wall gets rid of having to worry about anything else, and makes things easier for developers.

I have my computers for tinkering, and my PS4 for gaming.

Not A PC Gamer

You obviously don’t have a clue.. these are things that will be patched in later. You wan’t to talk about a walled garden? Take a look at the 80+ features that are criminally hidden behind Microsoft’s Xbox Live Gold Paywall on Xbox one. These things will be patched in later. No fucking chance in hell I’ll ever consider going to PC gaming or back to those deceptive crooks at MS ever again.

pcjoeyd

I can’t say that I blame ya. As a matter of fact, I applaud you. These consoles are nothing more than closed systems. I just built a pc for my living room (hdmi, all wireless) and will never go back. I can do whatever I want with the system…can’t say the same about consoles, where your tied to M$crosoft & Sony content.

Matthew Tripoli

they have already said that the main focus for launch was games and they would add these kinds of features in shortly after. I for one am ok with this b/c I bought my ps4 too play games above all else. After seeing games like shadowfall and bf4 on ps4 i can tell you with 100% certainty there is n way you will get that performance from a gaming laptop. My buddy has bf4 on his titan equipped pc and you couldnt really tell a difference. Pc looked a bit better but it was a screen

Fweds

XBOX ONE does allow DLNA streaming.

They have even shut out CD play on the Ps4, again the Xbox one can do that.

justerthought

This is different. George Hotz was a hacker who made pirating possible on PS3. That’s a crime. Less money goes to the devs so I have to pay more for games. He’s not my hero. The issue is that I have paid for my music fair and square, so I have the right to play it on PS4. I’m not a pirate. Sony are right to prosecute George Hotz because he is making my games more expensive, but Sony have no right to rob me of the ability to play stuff I have paid for. That’s the issue here.

Wussupi83

I normally use the word “Shocker” in sarcasm…but this time I mean it. Anybody else?

devogod

I disagree. there HAD to be a reason for it to cost $100 less than the xbox one. I mean its hardware is more powerful and everything, so there almost had to be something it couldn’t do to justify its price. you get what you pay for. that said though, like it was said in the article these features could very well be turned on through an update. and also we’ll have to wait for the xbox release to see if its been crippled in the same way. if it isn’t, then you’re paying $100 extra for a more capable machine. if it is crippled, then well… sony wins, I guess simply on price point. I highly doubt though that the xbox one will not have media capabilities.

a device that does less should cost less. price and features have everything to do with each other. thats kind of how they decide on a price. products are generally supposed to be priced based on what it does and how well it does it. if not, then what ARE you paying for? where do I come up with this? I’ve gone shopping once or twice in my life. do you have any kind of logic to back up your claim that price and features are not correlated? smh……..

Guest

have you ever gone shopping and compared two products before? take two TVs for example. lets say you have a vizio 50” 1080p 240hz LCD for $700 next to a Sharp Aquos 50” 1080p 240hz LCD for say $1100. why does the sharp cost more? they’re both tvs. they’re both the same size and have the same general specs. so why is the vizio cheaper? well, probably because it has limited app support. maybe its not a smart tv. maybe its picture quality just isn’t as good. price directly correlates with features and quality. there’s a word for when something costs a lot and doesn’t have very many features: overpriced. just as when something does its task well for a good price: value.

the ps4 and the xbox one are both gaming machines. they both output 1080p. they both have bluray drives. they both have similar hardware on the inside. they both have many of the same games. the ps4 costs $100 less. in the end, there is probably a reason for that. ultimately, time will tell.

Shaun Sawyer

I got a 1080P 32″ Vizio 3D Smart TV for only $300 the only other cheap 1080p 3D TV started at $800 and didn’t even have Smart apps until the $1k+ range. Some companies are just greedy while others are willing to make less $ per system.

Sony has already said they are barely breaking even with the PS4.

Also Sony’s PS4 camera is $60 and the Kinect is far more advanced I would suspect that without Kinect the X1 would actually be cheaper than the PS4. So the PS4 isn’t really less than the X1.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> Some companies are just greedy

Desire for profit is NOT greed

They exist to profit. When not profitable too long they close (and everyone loses their jobs)

Would you work for free forever?

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> why is the vizio cheaper?

less demand

Jose Antonio Rodriguez

did you even click and read my link? This has nothing to the with the price being cheaper. Adding media sharing is a software that can easily be added and will be in the neae future. The PS4 is cheaper because the xbox one has a kinect camera.. No camera on the ps4 is the only feature that makes it cheaper.. But you can buy it separately if you want. And every one knows that and dont care for a camera. Cmon man every one here knows this… Your comment about cheaper asystem that does less is nonsense from someone who doesnt know much.

devogod

yes I clicked your link. it doesn’t state anything as any kind of fact. they can add those features in. I saiad htat myself in my first comment. we’ll see if they do or not. your right, the ps4 has no camera. that’s a missing feature. you can probably add one some day and bring its price point up there with the xbox one. again: price vs features. I also said in my original comment that if sony does add those features back in and keeps the price down then they essentially have a winning setup. and if the xbox is missing those features and they don’t add them then you have an overpriced system. that said, xbox sstill comes with a camera like you said. out of the box even if it has no media capabilities, the system does more, and costs more as a result.

Jose Antonio Rodriguez

Gotcha, yea I was just trying state the missing media feature is not the reason for the price difference. But yea ms is trying to be more with their camera features though. I hope both do great when it comes to exclusives!

devogod

well yea the camera is a good point. I wasn’t thinking about it in my first comment. I still don’t think a camera alone justifies $100 extra cost. I know the xbox has a hdmi passthrough or whatever. I haven’t heard if the ps4 does that or not. missing media features can at least play into a price point because that was a big part of what made the ps3 so great (and expensive) when it first came out. i’d like to see those features added back in though. i’d like to see them do well, too, though I’ve never owned an xbox1 or a 360 and the last playstation I had was the first one. I guess the main point I was making though was that the xbox one cost more for a reason, and you simply pointed out the reason better than I did with its camera being included.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> someone who doesnt know much

Do you believe your ad hominem rebuttals are persuasive?

Jose Antonio Rodriguez

Huh? I’m getting an Xbox One as well next week and can’t wait. So I have no clue what non sense you’re throwing at here. Maybe I sounded mean saying that earlier.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

highlight unfamiliar phrase

right click

search

This is not challenging. try it?

Jose Antonio Rodriguez

You’re quite pretentious huh? You comment with a couple of fancy words and think you’re a smart@ss. Sheesh are you like this in person? Lol Anyways have a good day sir.. Smh…

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> device that does less should cost less

Put away your magical-thinking and should-brush.

> thats kind of how they decide on a price

apple sells “an experience”

demand drives price

devogod

apple devices are often criticized for being overpriced, too, and they are.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

non sequitur much?

AndyL

That depends on how much value you place on how easy their operating system is to use for average users. But yes for the same specs on a PC you can sure find something cheaper.

Zeratul Zum

Well, if you didn’t realized you are living under a capitalist system that rewards speculation.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> a reason for it to cost $100 less than the xbox one

marketing

loss leader

economics is only challenging for the willfully ignorant like progressives. see also commander in chief fiat

> you get what you pay for

it’s either fraud when I don’t or great when I get more: keep your customers happy — too bad sony doesn’t give a fudge about it properly.

microsoft has brainwashed the gamer sheeple into not expecting PHYSICAL gaming media.

> sony wins

only if sheeple continue to hand them money

Help sheeple escape from willful ignorance?

Matthew Bryant

Nobody uses HD DVD anymore. Also, since 80 million people own a PS3, your argument is stupid. The PS2 pushed DVD sales as well. So what? It worked. Why would I complain about getting a bluray player with my console? I like Bluray. It works fine. HD DVD lost the format battle. Get over it. Your hatred of Sony is making you stupid.

Matthew Bryant

Nobody uses HD DVD anymore. Also, since 80 million people own a PS3, your argument is stupid. The PS2 pushed DVD sales as well. So what? It worked. Why would I complain about getting a bluray player with my console? I like Bluray. It works fine. HD DVD lost the format battle. Get over it. Your hatred of Sony is making you stupid.

Matthew Bryant

You do realize that the Xbox One can’t do most of those things at launch either right? The Xbox One is more expensive because of Kinect. Half of the features involving Kinect won’t be available at launch (including integration with your cable provider, DLNA, and a long list of other features). I have no idea why people keep including features that Microsoft have stated they plan on adding to the Xbox One. They’ve also stated that they won’t be ready at launch.

Zeratul Zum

The $100 multi-sensor-Kinect camera?.

James Tolson

this article makes no sense, sorry. but it seems based on pure assumption just because a thumb drive does not (yet) work…

if son really had this policy then they would have shoehorned it in to the ps3 many moons ago..

my opinion is this, day 1 firmware is primary goal to make sure the console works as intended as a gaming and internet media devise, after a few months and a coupe of firmware updates all the things u can do on your ps3 you will be able to do on your ps4..

cast your mind back to ps3’s version 1.01 firmware?

Falcon D. Stormvoice

Gaikai cloud gaming isn’t even here yet and people want to pass final judgement on all the PS4 will ever be able to do? Ridiculous.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

cloud = farm for hire

Falcon D. Stormvoice

True. That Netflix thing never went anywhere, and neither will the gaming version.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

netflix is great. I pay hollywood then usenet for the quality netflix promises via xbmc and sickbeard. With owncloud I can access my ZFS NAS from my verizon unlimited lte mobile devices.

everybody wins… especially me

LazyIzy

“thumb drive does not (yet) work”
“after a few months and a coupe of firmware updates all the things u can do on your ps3 you will be able to do on your ps4″

That’s backwards thinking. The PS3 was the first of its kind in Sony consoles for updates. This is either them being lazy, or they might have a legit excuse for not including it. These features should not have been removed at all.

Look at the PS1, it came with audio CD support, the PS2 was released later, including the same features. Then, the PS2 had DVD support, the PS3 released with the same features and a bit more media features. The PS3 had loads of media features (which I use regularly, especially NAS streaming), but the PS4 removes those? What’s the logic here, ‘Because we’re going to release it later’?

I wasn’t planning on purchasing a PS4 until later, because I want to play my console specific games, however I’d like them to iron out the bugs first. But, I’m very skeptical about doing so if this doesn’t support your generic USB flash drive. Unless they’re worried about piracy, this is ridiculous. I always liked the 360’s and PS3’s ability to copy/backup your save files to your USB drive.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> That’s backwards thinking

No, it’s magical-thinking

Dr.Kleiner

I totally agree with you. Sony said themselves, “it’s for the gamer”, and if the gamer wants a little bit of sex lube to come with their system, guess what Sony is gonna do- give them a little bit of sex lube. Now lets hope that no one wants that, as it is only a metaphor. Still, the fact remains, that if everyone wants something, Sony is sure to give it. This writer thinks otherwise. He seems to have the idea that all of these OS features are set in stone, never to be changed again. But think about it, how many times has the ps3 and ps vita been updated? Countless. And how many of those countless updated have been sparked by the gamer? Nearly all of them.

So don’t expect this lack of versatility to stay the same. Hopefully once it changes, this dumb-ass will shut up.

TruthHurts

The intelligent view point would be to look at it like this: A lot of folks already have other facets in their home to play media with. As you say in your article a lot of folks already have PS3/360, Apple TV, Smart TV’s, Tablets etc. So Sony decided to spend all the money on components for gaming and make what has already been proven as a better gaming console. Not only that, Shu himself has said their working on a lot of these things already, and the system will adapt over time. I’m very happy with my PS4, I bought it to play games, and that’s what it’s going to do. I can use my Apple TV, iPad, Laptop, and Smart TV to do anything else in my media room.

Secondly I’m pretty annoyed at everybody complaining about PS4’s launch lineup. Nobody wants to include multi-platform games in the discussion. Assuming you have the money, saying you wouldn’t buy a system because you can already play most of the games on current gen doesn’t make any sense. They look and play better on PS4 than any of the current systems. That’s like saying you don’t want a Ruth Chris steak because Golden Corral already serves them.

comsumer at large

The hard-hit point was that Sony is stripping away more than 90% multimedia functionality that its hardware already capable of.

Maybe for people who tried to carry the topic away should consider this example:
it’s safe to assume most of household have a personal computer. What if a PC manufacturer tells you that this piece of hardware can only do word processing but nothing else. If you wanted to SURF THE NET, get a 2nd PC; If you want to play the GAMES, get a 3rd PC; if you want to SKYPE someone, you guessed it, and get a 4th PC, and the list can be much longer with rich corporate supporters like TruthHurts. The scenario to most consumers with common sense certainly would have thought that it’s purely not economical, and took too much living space to the point that not all household will carry more than 4 PCs at home for only 4 functions. This is an absolute retrograde of modern technology and this is WHY people are so angry of.

Falcon D. Stormvoice

They aren’t stripping anything. The video game console is new. The priority was video games. We know that DLNA, MP3s, and CDs are in the future. But the most important thing comes first. This entire “I want it now” discussion reeks of immaturity and impatience.

IKROWNI

When I buy anything I hope that all the features they promised from day one would be there. Isn’t that kind of the point in saying from day one you would have a lot of this stuff? And how hard is it really to implement a media player into a system? A photo viewer? Mp3 support? Really man? You paid $400 for a system that has less features and games than my $50 roku and guess what I didn’t have to wait a few months to get those features hell it even plays games all in one. Face it you could have invested your money more wisely with a $50 roku. That’s sad!

Chris Edwards

Well you’re obviously not buying it yet, so why complain?

Falcon D. Stormvoice

What in the hell? These were not day one “promised” features. Not even close. You’re just typing things for the sake of typing things now. These were always said to be post-launch additions.

I really couldn’t have “invested” my money more wisely with a Roku. I already have a PS3 with all the media features, and PS4 is getting the extra features down the line. And if you were playing with one right now you wouldn’t say stupid things like that. It’s much more gorgeous and fun than a Roku. Don’t you have any love for new gadgetry?

I would have replied to this 21 hours ago when I first saw it but I couldn’t hear you over the sound of how awesome my PS4 is.

IKROWNI

If your $400 machine is making that much noise you might be one of people who need to send it in for servicing

Falcon D. Stormvoice

More importantly, I would need to be checked for severe auditory-lexical synesthesia if a loud noise were impairing my ability to read written text.

But it’s a figurative sort of loudness, and my inability to absorb your negativity is borne more from a lack of caring about someone’s dislike of my new toy, because I am enjoying myself immensely.

UE

It can play blueray disks (.h264 decoding is present on the machine along with video and ACC audio interfaces)
And it is running from a Unix base… This should be EASY for a company of sony’s size to make.

Michael Angelo Lopez

All the multi media functions are going to come with the future firmware updates, so wait for that, you could go pay a thousand for a laptop and the ps4 will perform the same for 400, xbox one runs ghost at 720p while ps4 runs at 1080p, the psn problems were cause so many people got the ps4 and where trying to log on, and the hdmi problem is a little piece of metal that just needs to be pushed down once and your set, psn is already giving warframe and blacklight for free, and the xbox isnt even out yet but according to you, and this post, its not worth it cause it doesnt read a thumb drive… take moment to realize how dumb you sound right now…

UE

Ah please read my post again… I have no idea what the hell you are on about.

Also I OWN a ps4 right now aswell as a high end pc.

Your argument about a $1000 laptop is a bit weird too as laptops are OBVIOUSLY going to be more expensive, they are smaller and more portable than a console with a built in screen and many many more functionalists alongside a bigger hard drive. You should be comparing it to a tower, to which I would say you can build a tower that performs a fair bit better than the ps4 and has far more options for $650 quite easily.
But that would be arguing something I am not talking about, all I mentioned was that they should theoretically be able to put out a media player fairly easily because the system already has a lot of the software required for it.

I own a ps4 because of the exclusives and the ease of play in group settings, if I want power I will use my computer.

LazyIzy

Warframe and Blacklight are already free on PC, and before you say it, Planetside 2 is as well.

cytrax

LOL.. When you buy a device (tablet or PC) with USB port, do you wait for months to get it to read USBs? You people are unbelievable with your blind loyalty to companies that are willing to take you all for bunch of punks.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

sheeples!

They have been decimating “the expectation of privacy,” too by wrongly tolerating adware flavor of malware conflating it with free.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

Sony doesn’t wield a should-brush

UE

It can play blueray disks (.h264 decoding is present on the machine along with video and ACC audio interfaces)
And it is running from a Unix base… This should be EASY for a company of sony’s size to make.

comsumer at large

Do you work for Sony or how you could make comment like this? Evidence from PS3 is showing that with every firmware update, some functions were being taken away. After PS3 firmware 4.50 update, stuffs such as accessing external hard drives can no longer accessible. Don’t try to whitewash your dirty money grabbing scheme. How much do they pay you to speak out of your consciousness?

cytrax

I agree with you, consumer. I’m actually pretty shocked at how foolishly loyal people are. No wonder there is massive transfer of wealth from poor to the wealthy on Wall Street. We the poor are too dumb and always get taken for a ride by big brands.

Egla

Actually they added tons of new features and took only a few away. Bullshit is bullshit.

What else do you spend $400 on only to be told that 50% of the functionality won’t be there at DAY ZERO? Are you serious with your B–S comment? Stop being such a fanboy and keep this real!!!

I’m waiting for XBOX One. If Microsoft pulls this smart shhht with “my console”, I would be selling it on to the next guy. I’m sure plenty of suckers would be willing to pay $600 for it due to shortage.

Falcon D. Stormvoice

Stop abusing punctuation like a red-headed stepchild and keep this intelligent. Gaming is 99% of the functionality, and that’s what is there.

Now shut up and go enjoy your XB1 like I’m enjoying my new PS4. These shiny new systems kick ass.

cytrax

“Stop abusing punctuation like a red-headed stepchild and keep this intelligent. Gaming is 99% of the functionality, and that’s what is there.

Now shut up and go enjoy your XB1 like I’m enjoying my new PS4. These shiny new systems kick ass.”

Falcon! Falcon!! Falcon!!!!!!!

Instead of you addressing the points that I raised, you sink into making a grammar check. lol. Way to go, teacher!

Shareholders love folks like you who lack the ability to think independently. I bet if I slap PS4 logo on my old Nintendo Wii, you would still pay $350 for it.

You are WEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Falcon D. Stormvoice

If I were a teacher and you were my student, I would resign my position and probably burn the school down. How can you not even know the difference between grammar and punctuation?

You don’t even have a single argument for why I shouldn’t be enjoying my PS4 as much as I am, this is simply a childish lashing out because you do not have one. And on that note, I hope that you never get one.

cytrax

Listen up, brand fanboy buddy, you are weak! Let me repeat that again so for you to get through your thick skull – You Are Weak!

You are weak for not being able to objectively identify that there are obvious gaps in what you have been sold. Even weaker for somehow thinking that a corporation should not be held accountable so long as they give you “shiny” things. You even used words such as immaturity and impatience. Are you really that retarded? Was Sony patient when it came to taking your money for a console that obviously isn’t ready for consumers?

Furthermore, who ever said anything about why you should not be enjoying your “shiny” console? I am arguing against your ridiculous insistence that it is somehow ok to launch a product but then not enable the very basic functionalities on day one of launch e.g. USB features.

You? My teacher? Please! Sounds like you have an IQ of sub 80 with your B-S attitude attempting to defend what is clearly indefensible. Learn to call it the way it is regardless of how much you think you should be loyal to an insipid entity such as a brand. They exist to take your dollars. Hold them accountable when the provided product is below promised standard. That is your right as a consumer.

Later Amigo!

Falcon D. Stormvoice

Er… right. So in addition to not knowing the difference between punctuation and grammar, you think that not being bitter about a very enjoyable experience fits the definition of “weak”. And this somehow makes *me* quite dumb.

Well, at least your nonsensical rage was good for one thing: a little bit of amusement between gaming sessions.

Like I said before; it is what it is. You can’t defend the indefensible. Just call it the way it is.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

every device should do everything

Falcon D. Stormvoice

IKR? Scandal! Outrage!

The PS4 doesn’t make ravioli and iron my shirts! Sony CEOs should be put in jail!

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> tells you that this piece of hardware can only do

I would use American Express to effect a 100% refund.

vote with your wallet, too

Nick Jones

When you have an LG (non-smart) plasma, no cable or satellite, a small home network server, and a PS3 as your entertainment setup, your scenario doesn’t work that well. I don’t have a smartphone although I do have a laptop but why on Earth would I connect that to my television to view media? This isn’t 2005 anymore. Modern devices like the PS4 (I would assume) should be capable of filling this need for me.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> The intelligent view point

Is proper grammar antithetical to intelligence?

wegf

If you you actually believed your first point, you would just get a GPU and play on your PC, since it already has far superior components (unless its really old).

And your second point makes less sense, because everything look and play better on PC than any of the current (and future) systems

Phobos

Knowing Sony on how stingy it is with DRM its not surprise, then again I can care less. I already have a Blue ray player that lets me play all known formats. I’m glad Sony decided to just create a console and not another media center device, too many of those floating around.

Djlampton

I know, right? Now if only I could get my cell phone to stop playing music, and accepting voice calls. I’m a hardcore texter! Don’t give me all of that extra BS! I already own walkie-talkies, and a Discman! Why would I want all of that stuff in one convenient package?

Victor

Exactly ps4 is a game console, Not a multimedia console. The ps3 beaten the 360 worldwide due to releasing many exclusive games. There are a few ps3 exclusives coming even after the ps4 release.

UE

The ps3 got beaten because it was a year later than the xbox, had complex and annoying to program for hardware that put off developers and was EXTREMELY expensive in comparison.

It was that simple… People already had an xbox, didn’t have the level of money required and it didn’t have a good game lineup for a full year.

Victor

The 360 and ps3 was neck in neck. Despite what you said about the head start, the latter achieved very high sales and now multiplatform games are giving Sony consoles exclusive content. With the help of the gta5 bundle, the ps3 broke the 360 winning streak in the US.

UE

It took many many years for this to happen and said exclusives only appeared after developers started getting their heads around cell architecture. I am fully aware of where the ps3 sits currently in sales, but for a large chunk of it’s life it was behind the 360 in a rather big way.
Heck for many years the multiplats were actually of a much poorer quality on the ps3 when compared to the 360. This been far from true for a while now ofcourse.

HOWEVER what sony needs and wants is a solid early competition… They require their console to succeed in a large way, FAR more than the xbox requires as sony as a company is not doing too well and their gaming department is one of the few areas that is still drawing a profit due to some horrendous management decisions over the years. The ps3 started in a period where it could afford to be supported by other divisions a little during the slow growth period, not that sony was happy about it but they could do it. This console does not have that luxury.

Having the small added functionalists mean a lot to people who only wish to be using one device or who are trying to justify a purchase… Not saying that the console will fail, but rather that sony makes horrible software decisions and tends to wear them badly.
-points to psvita and how it launched only allowing touch screen control, not allowing folders for videos or music, only allowing touch screen control of music player and implementing a data transfer protocol that made transferring data from the pc to vita SLOWER than doing so from pc to original psp-
(5MBps is not acceptable)

IKROWNI

its funny you say sony needs playstation to succeed. i cant see how sony could be making much from the ps4 when over at microsoft the xbox 360 only earned them like 4% of there market and ms is talking about selling xbox for that reason so if xbox is in this bad of a position where exactly do you think sony sits at this time?

UE

The ps3 got beaten because it was a year later than the xbox, had complex and annoying to program for hardware that put off developers and was EXTREMELY expensive in comparison.

It was that simple… People already had an xbox, didn’t have the level of money required and it didn’t have a good game lineup for a full year.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

games aren’t multimedia?

are all your games text based?

Victor

What? Let me rephrase that. Ps4 is a game console, not an all in one entertainment. Do you understand now?

Phobos

convenient package? again if you already have them why bother?

UE

Because I would like to disconnect my ps3 :P… it isn’t a deal breaker and I own a ps4 knowing that this would be the case… but seriously… Why not include basic functionality like this.
It is like how we cannot install games to an external drive, it would be EASY to have the console recognize if the drive was connecting via a USB3 interface or not with a quick speed test and tell the user “this drive is not fast enough” or “this drive is fast enough”

I sincerely hope this feature comes in the future (That way I can ditch my 500gb drive but still use it externally for extra game storing space, especially if I want to take my digital games to a friends place and log in with my account there and not have to download a 52gb install)

I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony releases a mandatory update that cripples these features on the PS3 also … they crippled Linux, why not home theatre features?

Viliami Tuanaki

Because they’re not going to get hacked through the home theatre. Sony took down linux because SOMEBODY (george hotz) hacked the PS3, because they found a way to access the ps3 xmb kernal through the linux otherOS operating system.

UE

They removed linux before that.

Viliami Tuanaki

No it wasn’t you retard, they removed it on september 2009 with the slim models and with a firmware update for the fat ps3s on update 3.21. This was because of Geohotz custom firmware earlier that year, so don’t talk back if you don’t know the facts to prove it.

UE

I would respond further but I see you are a rude little shit… have fun being a fuckwit… big man on the internet here, big man.

Wait while I crap myself because of your obvious superiority and anger… oohhh scared… fuck off dipshit.

angh

Nothing to respond further, just use a calendar.

Viliami Tuanaki

Why are you so angry? You were as wrong as fuck, no need to reply further anything else you say will probably be as wrong as your prior comment (“They removed linux before that”) but its wrong.

UE

Your attitude is fucked mate, go sit on something spikey.

Viliami Tuanaki

My attitude? Okay.

Falcon D. Stormvoice

They added features over time on the PS3. DLNA streaming was NOT there on day one, or even year one. Nobody was asking for it. But they put it on there anyway instead of keeping the status quo and shoe-horning people into Music Unlimited.

They got rid of a feature that significantly less than one percent of the customers used, otherOS, because some jackass had to go and prove it to be a vulnerability.

Doug Johnson

Netflix is hard a cure-all for people who want to have access to the largest libraries of content out there. The overall percentage of all TV shows and movies available is very low. And the overall percentage of all good TV shows and movies available is even lower.

I love Netflix, but I find that it far more often doesn’t have the content that I want rather than having the content that I want. Especially when that content is relatively recent.

Jeffrey Kuhl

You obviously want too much….cuz Netflix has a buttload

Doug Johnson

A buttload, but not the right buttload. I’d say that it doesn’t have about 70% of the stuff that I want to watch.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

are you not aware that usenet is part of the internet?

there’s more than the interweb out there

I subscribe to netflix but use sickbeard and xbmc for the bitrate and low compression netflix insists its capable of delivery on my very broadband at home (no wifi)

Doug Johnson

First of all, downloading movies you haven’t paid for is illegal, dishonest, and immoral.

Second of all, you couldn’t play anything you downloaded on the PS4. That’s the point of the article. You can only play Sony approved content.

JCat_NY

WTF is it with these Semi-Negative, “Extremely-Lame-Tech” PS3 articles that wreak of sensationalism?

This article is a joke. Not even being a fan boy. What else do you want? I bought my console to play video games. Not sure what the writer of this article bought his for.

Benjamin Gumbrell

This is a huge deal to people like me. I use my PS3 to watch movies I have downloaded all the time! It’s handy, and so knowing it’s gone sucks.

Loon313

I agree it is handy. But you can still watch movies right? Plus you will still have your ps3. Unless you trade it in… Which wouldn’t be wise because the ps4 isn’t cross compatible.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

because you are unaware of xbmc?

Benjamin Gumbrell

Um, but that’s Xbox. We are talking about Playstation.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

um but that was only true A DECADE AGO

Benjamin Gumbrell

I have no idea what you’re on about.
My country does not have Netflix and all these other services the US seem to get. That makes my options limited- the only way for me to do it is either through ps media server or through plugging in my flash drive. So if I can’t use those methods, it’s a down-side

Nathan O

I was thinking of switching from 360 to the PS4 but when Sony dropped all of this info (2 weeks before launch) I quickly changed back to the XBOX camp. I use my 360 for everything. It is on 16 hours a day. The PS4 is not a replacement

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

switch?

sony accepts tradeins?

Nathan O

as in, from xbox to PS

elvin

This article and many others like this expect the doom and gloom of consoles..and expect it to wipe their asses when they say crap like these.
They wont say this to the crappy iterations of iphone or s4 because phones are the future you can make fucking calls on them still and play stupid angry bird saga bullshit. go feck yourself bastards.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

yes, sheeple are irritating

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

the joke is 87 objects needing blocking by interweb extensions

gnilsia

The console will have all these feature later. They are not available at launch because they haven’ t finished the OS yet, choosing to get the gaming side of things done first. There is no 3D bluray support either but this too will be added at a later date. Do some research before you write something, it would make for a more enjoyable intelligent read, just saying.

IKROWNI

wait what do you mean they focused all there time on gaming. if thats the case then why is it subpar hardware and games that dont run worth a shit? well at least the gaming side is done and they can get to the normal functions of every damn system there is and add some media options into it as well. i cant think of one device in my house that has a usb port that doesnt offer to play some file formats. with this there is just nothingness. a gaming console without the hardware to game on it. to bad you people didnt just grab a few pc parts for roughly the same price you could have been playing the next gen games on next gen hardware in next gen graphics instead you chose 5 year old hardware last gen graphics and less media options…hahahahaha

elvin

You are an idiot and arrogant pc bitch. Try getting god of war of or console exclusives on your mega pc. Consoles will be here to stay.

IKROWNI

Hmmm is that why Microsoft is about to be selling Xbox? Or is that why most xbone games will be on PC as well? Or is it that why there are rumors floating around about psn on PC? It would be dumb for them not to put there games on PC! And also am I really suppose to be so induced by 1 or 2 games to justify that expensive of a purchase.

You show off for 1game exclusive to your console, all I have to say is oculus rift… See how that works? Oculus rift PC exclusive! Not counting the hundreds of other games that are PC exclusive.

While steam announced that they have had source engine 2 in the works for years now you have titanfall being made on source engine 1 you know valves engine…from how long ago? Not sure how old source 1 is exactly but I think its about a decade old.

Yeah, but can you tell ur PC switch from HBO Late night porn to games at the sound of your voice? Cause that’s priceless.

IKROWNI

Actually yes you can I use voxcommando and event ghost to do whatever I want throughvoice . I can say play Netflix and scroll slow left/right stop and play. Through xbmc its better though I can literally say something like ” play american dad season 4 episode 3 and it would instantly start playing it. I can do Google searches wiki searches weather calendar contacts hangouts Skype all through voice, hell I even went through and programmed all of the wow macros through voice and put it in there forums for others to use. So yes it has infinite possibilities.

Bryce S.

I was just joking but alright man. I am getting the X1 because most of my friends are playing it and i have been apart of the Xbox community.That’s the biggest thing for me. The switching between apps, games, and live TV are all just extras to that.

IKROWNI

yea all my friends were in the xbox camp as well and i was in the xbox camp on the 360 then a friend showed me what a real gaming pc that doesnt cost an arm and a leg like the console folks like to portray. then i started showing my friends what a pc can do in terms of gaming they were blown away just as i was. hell the new feature in cod ghosts that allows you to lean has been on pc since cod4 i believe, and thats just 1 thing consoles havent been able to handle for some reason for years now and they just caught up now. but yea ive gotten quite a few of my friends to change there direction just because of how much of an upgrade it is with pc. when it comes to pc you see differences like what a nintendo 64 is to an xbox 360 thats how massive the difference is.

Kruege

Get a new hobby.

Craig Williams

I personally enjoy both my PC and the various consoles I have had over the years. Now, I am certainly not an expert when it comes to tech; I’m just a guy who likes to play games.

My issue is this: the last PC I bought cost about $1300. It was able to play any game that I was interested in with the graphics maxed-out. Within a few months, games were coming out that I couldn’t play at max. That frustrated me. I could play them, but I couldn’t get the full experience. The PS3, on the other hand, improved steadily over the years. Games like The Last of Us were miles ahead of year-one releases, without me having to upgrade anything.

So, yeah, PS4 may not be a technological match for a top-end gaming PC(which I would love to have…), but I know that it will get better over the years, without me having to shell out for upgrades. I’d rather pay $400 for something that will get steadily better than $1000+ for something that will be obsolete next month.

UE

learn to turn down your graphics settings… you will have a steadily increasing experience.

Please remember that games on the xbox and ps3 atm are running at 720p or lower and at 30fps with dips now….

Also for $1300 you can get a top of the line single core graphics card in a well built gaming pc max everything for a year and then slowly step your settings back while having all the other features the PC has beyond gaming. Not only this but games are MUCH cheaper on pc so over a 3 year period this will decrease the cost gap even further depending on how many games you purchase, you get more control over what control schemes you use too.

Finally, because these consoles use an X86 architecture like the two main CPU manufacturers expect games to be FAR better optimized this generation than they were in the past, Steam and services like it are growing at an accelerated rate (at the moment it is in a dip and still has 4.5million concurrently logged on and active users, during peak access it always has near 8 million or more)

I have a ps4 and vita because I do… but the pc is by no means lesser value or even that much more expensive than a console, the initial purchase may be but in the coming years… not at all.

Craig Williams

I get what you’re saying and can agree, mostly, I just found the advice regarding the graphics to be a bit odd. I know how to turn down the graphics, I’ve been required to do so on a number of games.

What I was saying is that on the PS3 the graphics have been improving over the years without me having to do a thing, as they learn to optimize the machine. On the PC, I have to reduce my settings to be able to play the newer games. Yeah, they still look pretty good–some looking better on low settings than older games on high settings– but my PC becomes less and less able to keep up with the new games, while there never comes a time that my PS3 can’t handle a PS3 game.

IKROWNI

your right as the engines become newer in the games and more content is added the console version of said game will start drawing its gaphics settings down lower and lower and lower to be able to handle them. think of the ps4 same as a pc. you have hardware in it same as pc. when the new games come out for pc since yourt hardware cannot handle it what did you say you did? you turned down the graphics settings until the fps balanced itself out. now as time keeps going by this keeps on happening same shit happened on ps3 and xbox 360. how is it any different at all? the only difference i see is that with a pc at last you can just upgrade 1 part and your good to go again with ps4 or xbone you wait another 10 years and get some more hardware from this years pc parts lol

Phobos

There are lots of videos of comparing pc vs ps3 vs 360 etc and the difference isn’t exactly night and day. It’s very simple if the developers use the same game engine across all platforms they all going to look the same, give or take a few special effects and or slightly high textures.

IKROWNI

you get an r9 290x and you shouldnt need an upgrade for at least 4-5 years at least. and on top of that when you do need an upgrade since you saved thousands of dollars already on steam games as oppose to console games you can easily afford another r9 290x to crossfire and now your back in business for a few more years again. and with manlt coming you wont need an upgrade quite as often im sure.

Phobos

No point, might as well get the 260x or 2 for cf and save if he is playing on 1080. By the time 2k-4k become the standard how well do you think that 290x will handle the newer games at that resolution?

IKROWNI

well 4k will be on a consumer level budget within 2 years and then games will follo0w suite some already allow pretty high resolution almost tripling 1080p. and to be honest i have no idea how well an r9 290x or the ones you mentioned will perform in those circumstances. but one thing i do know for sure is that in 2 years i will have the option to play those games at those settings just fine whereas with the consoles you will be waiting for another 10 years before you might and i mean might have upscaled 4k.

consoles will sit at low settings, low rez, low fps and thats that. you can say that 60fps is the best but its better to be running around 120fps and then when shit really starts popping off my frames will drop to around 80. with consoles your at 60 and when shit goes down everywhere your bouncing around between 30-60 which is very noticable.

Phobos

two years?? are you on crack or something lol? 1080 just became the standard not so long and you think 4k will be the standard that fast? Unless they lower the price to match 1080 monitors at $100 and up I really don’t see that happening in two years.
Low settings?? right.

IKROWNI

in just 2 years phones will have way better hardware than both of these consoles combined man. ever heard of Euclideons Unlimited they are scheduling photo realistic engines for even phones. and no when i say consumer level prices i mean roughly $1000 for tv. within 2 years you will see 50-55″ 4k tvs for roughly $1000 – $1300. and hell last i heard there was a pc running a resolution of like 20k split amongst multiple 4k tvs. so yea enjoy 1080p max for the next 10 years my friends. enjoy only up to 60fps for the next 10 years while pc are working on rendering 3d virtual environments. i will give it to one guy for using a kinect plugged into his pc to render movement while he was using the oculus rift though. but then again there will be something similar to the kinect for pc sometime soon that will blow the kinect out the water.

Phobos

layoff the drugs, wtf do phones have to do with this?

IKROWNI

i enjoy the one i use, and as far as phones the amd apu that goes in both consoles is a mobile apu same kind as you find in phone and tablets. what they have to do with it is that xbone and ps4 used the cheapest crap they could find and put it in there. and like i said the newest mobile apu released on january 14th is the double the performance and speed that is in the consoles. so fo the uneducated out there that means your phone will soon have better hardware than your console has. why do you think the makers of oculus rift are going with pc/android because very soon the mobile hardware will match where desktop hardware is today, it will never push past pc hardware but it will start slowly gaining momentum.

when a phone can destroy a console inm performance and speed in games and also display in 1080p theres quite a bit wrong with the console then.

Nathan O

If it isn’t done, it shouldn’t be released. Why are you guys so easy on this company? What other line of products can show up in a store in such an incomplete state?

Jason M

Ummmm…..The Xbox 360?…..The system was rushed to the market to beat Sony and the 50+% failure rate proved that. The 360 holds the record for the highest defective rate, of any consumer electronics device ever sold…..

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

don’t reward sony with your purchase until you are satisfied

…. else you are a sheeple

Jesse Fuson

Ahem, well let me start by asking the obvious: Is your drive formatted to FAT32 which has been the standard for the PS2 and PS3? Why would Sony have 4 USB (3.0?) ports if it was strictly for peripherals? Also, why else would it ship with a 500gb hard drive if not for media playback? Isn’t that the point of these large drives, other than some game installations, to be media players?

Matthew Wells

guess you didnt get the memo on the fact that many ps4 games require 40gb of hdd space…..each

Jesse Fuson

Yeah, to install game DATA, not game SAVES, which is the important part. Guess you didn’t get the memo that Sony makes a 12gb PS3 and Microsoft makes a 4gb 360 for the exact purpose of playing games with mandatory installs one at a time. Do you play ~12 different ttles that frequently to warrent a 500gb hard drive strictly for game data?

Nathan O

you are terrihle misinformed. With the 360 and the PS3 the game is being read off the disc. This is no longer the case. Even if you buy the disc it requires a mandatory install

Jesse Fuson

How exactly am I terribly misinformed ? Not every game on those systems is being streamed off the disc. Did you play GTAV? Halo? Plenty of Ps3 games also have mandatory installs. My point was that you probably won’t be able to fit your entire game library on the hard disk, so you will have to uninstall game data from time to time (not save data). Basically what you guys are saying is, the hard disk is only there to install games on to and it’s 500gb in size so it’s a little bit more convienient, than say, a 320gb drive, just because it can hold a couple more game installs. I’m saying I reallly doubt that is the sole purpose. It doesn’t make sense to give people such a big drive from the get-go if that is all it’s for – game install data.

Jason M

no thats not true, the game caches(Installs) A good portion of the game to the HDD but it is not 100% of the data. The retail cache sizes are smaller then the digital download sizes, by about 10% – 15%

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

ZFS Z5

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

would you prefer sony pass the COST to license use of FAT32 on to you? or not by using EXT?

Well, that makes it easy for me. I will put my plan on getting a PS4 on hold and look at other options; I was not planning on going backwards in terms of features…

dave

pure gaming??????? i call it a social network device with a small focus on gaming. ps3 is perfect.

youreall fucktards

I’m sure you have a usb slot on your tv you can directly plug and play your movies from etc, if not burn the shit to cd/dvd and watch it or just bloody watch it on your pc you downloaded it on.
FFS, I don’t want them to waste time on media related shit, I want a games console for games. The problem with people these days is they want one device to do everything for them.

Nathan O

some of us appreciate the media features in our consoles. It’s nice that you don’t but you don’t speak for everyone. Enjoy your PS4

Walter

I’m one of those people, and yet, I’m not worried at all. Did everyone miss the part where Sony said they will be adding most of their additional media features in a patch?

Josh

and yet with the last generation Sony fans were always quick to point out all the other stuff it can do. I don’t know you and there is the ever so slight possiblitiy that your position might be heartfelt. But there is a word for the majority of people who are excusing this system having less functionality than the last. It’s two syllables and rhymes with toys… Boy what was that word… :)

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

leave it to the user to sort out media playback but as UNSUPPORTED functionality

everybody can win

Goodgrief

This article and this writer is so full of shit I’m surprised he can even stand without toppling over.

Basically he tried to do a bunch of things that he knew fully well could not be done since they have been all over the internet for the past couple of weeks, and he acts surprised about it. Then he criticizes it for not having certain features, that sony said they will be implementing in future updates, as if they will never get them.

And to top it all off, did he get some sort of specially designed ps4 unit that no other person in the world possesses because as far as I know the ps4 only has 2 usb ports in the front, it doesn’t have any in the back. The back consists of the power, hdmi, optical, ethernet and camera ports. Where the hell did he get 4 usb ports from?

This article was poorly written just to get clicks by someone who probably got those screenshots from his cousin. Hate article designed just to create FUD and shows his total lack of professionalism. But don’t worry mr anthony you’re on the right track, you’ll fit in perfectly with most modern game journalists. Pathetic.

Walter

Well said. But to put it in terms that everyone will understand: What a crock ‘o sh!t…

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

As long as he has enough words to displace the 87 ads (which I’m blocking)

Angel Ham

All that hype vaporised after all those mixed reviews.. Can’t wait next week for the reviews of its slightly derpy HD twin.

anonymous

This is ironic everyone use to bitch that the ps3 was made as an all in one entertainment system that had a very little emphasis on games and now that the ps4 is concentrating on games everyone bitches about less all in one home entertainment features. Wow so many hypocrits stop being lame and just enjoy the games get real people

Nathan O

There is no other line of products I can think of where the previous generation is more functional than the next iteration.

Jason M

Ya but the PS3 didn’t have any of these features at launch either. they were patched in at a later time

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

or liberated with modchip

give the user what the user wants or the user will become- or find a hacker

John Marcus

I’m guessing a lot of the people posting here are Sony fans.

Jason M

Well it’s a sony related article so that would make sense.

Steve

you guys have been fooled by their marketing campaign stressing that the system is about the “gamers”.

brilliant! strip all the functionality from this powerful hardware which possibly could be license violations and say you can only play games because it’s about the “gamers”.

Jason M

butt hurt much

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

Fanbois are reality blind. They enjoy being raped, being told it was a happy event, and thrilled to be charged

Shepard

Exactly why I will not being a PS4 until late next year. Maybe never if they don’t fix their non support of external drives and mp3’s.

Nathan O

I guarantee the XB1 will have no problem streaming content from your PC. They have already confirmed that it uses the ‘Play To’ application from windows to accomplish this and that is currently how I stream movies from my PC to my 360. It works great and can only imagine it will be even better on the XB1

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> from windows to accomplish

fail

Nathan O

works for me

Kanchala Pancha

bruhuhuhu now the thief generation can`t download a movie for free and watch it on the big screen using a USB and the PS4,the future will be really sad for a lot of people since it seems everybody is slowly figuring out how to protect what they own in the digital media world which will take that fake existence from a lot of you who lives in this “I can afford everything with Pirate Bay” world and face with your real social status where you can BUY 1 game a year if you don’t eat everyday

★WHITEDEVIL★THE★ALMIGHTY★

Thank u for telling me about pirate bay. Im collecting social security also and wrk unda da table makin BANK!!! I dont have 2 wrk but im banging da hottest chick in my town, I know it makes u mad bro, but grow a bigger cock. Do u even lift?

You are flat out wrong

So how much did Microsoft pay you to write this article?

IKROWNI

Extreme tech has done nothing but bash xboner and praise the shit out of Sony till since they were released and everyone is seeing how great of a polished turd they recieved. And you wanna finally call them out? Every other site is giving the same reviews with the exception of sonys sites.

oblivion328

Sony announced prior to launch that it would be patching in support for mp3s and DLNA. Though, to be perfectly honest, I’ve never used those features on the PS3.

mycosynth

This is total bs. Sony already admitted that external hdd, mp3, dlna will all be added in their next update. Their reason for not having it at lauch was lack of time but they will be adding these features

Justin Lee Keller

I’m a little disappointed that you can’t use Youtube on it but whatever, that’s what I have a phone, a tablet, and a laptop, and the TV has it. Now while tracking a game I pre-ordered from walmart online, it says picked up in california…then shipped to KENTUCKY???? What’s that about? I live in washington.

oblivion328

Indeed. I don’t recall the last time I actually used my PS3 to watch a YouTube video, and I have the app on so many other things, it doesn’t really matter that it hasn’t been made available for the PS4 yet.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

the nsa needed it briefly

Bryce S.

Sony is in debt. They sold a system to the public that was cheaper to make, and put the price at 400 dollars. Easy money.

Kevin Martin

Ok, you definitely make some good points about what the PS4 can’t do, but this is a gaming console. If anyone wants to look at pictures, get a PC. If someone wants to watch movies, get a blu-ray player and rent Netflix or something. The point I’m trying to make is since gaming consoles have become big cash products for businesses, they are forgetting about what the gaming console was originally created for: gaming. Now, I understand that multimedia functions on a console helps to grab the attention of non-gamers and gains their respect or converts them into gamers also, but there needs to be a machine that will play great games and caters to gamers. Why do people negatively critique a gaming system for stuff that is non-gaming related? We live in a world where any device can do anything, but when it comes to gaming, I don’t want a console that is wasting money and hardware to do “other” stuff. Everyone wants to jump on the gaming bandwagon and act like they are hardcore gamers, but when they fire up their console, they just want to watch Netflix and chat with friends. We need to separate multimedia machines from gaming machines and stop trying to put those who prefer the former in the same group as the latter. I’m not bashing any particular group of people or thing…it’s just that I’m tired of the pure vision of gaming being lost in the mainstream “fad” of multimedia, social stuff. The world respects gamers now….can we just send them on to the “next big thing” and reclaim our industry, please?

Pitha

I’ve got a home theater pc to do all that shit. I use my ps4 to play games, not look at pics. Sorry that some of you like those features, but you don’t speak for all of us. Stop being a bunch of boohoo magoos. You don’t like it? Then F off and buy something else and quit crying on the web about it.

What I love is how some of my friends/co-workers who had touted the PS3’s ability to do this and that now do a 180 and preach “pure gaming system”. I never thought watching a shepherd heard it’s sheep would be so entertaining. Boy was I wrong.

Jason M

3 or 4 years ago, that was true. But today, when I have a smart TV, a fully DLNA 7.1 home theater system and still have my PS3 and 360….I really don’t need my PS4 to do anything other then play games. Virtually all gamers have either a 360, or a PS3…WHO THE FUCK! cares if you have to wait a few months for a patch to come out to enable DLNA and MP3 support…..PS3 didn’t have it at launch or did people forget that?

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

What I love is when how when reading what purports to be a rely using words having read the original post claiming something being said about something else by people I have seen who might be familiar but maybe they were someone else at the time but on the way I wondered about it

Josh

I’m sorry but your post was really garbled. What?

Kerim Temel

Its a game console dedicated for just gaming don’t know why people are complaining are you guys going to complain oh my fridge doesn’t come with media feature, at the end of the day I rather pay for a gaming console such as Sony then to get Xbox dedicated more for media then gaming!

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

fanbois only!!

miyamotomusashi94

LOL!
Damage Control Article!

KingRell25

Dumb pointless article.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

the point was to load more 3rd party content to financially profit the author.

adblock FTW

tcoomer1989 .

We use our 2 ps3s for everything in our house. Love the ability to record tv and playback nearly all video files. I have a ps4 preordered but will cancel it . Decided to boycott the ps4 until or unless the ps4 will play 3d blu rays, play nearly all media files, make play tv compatible , let us use external hdds, basically everything the ps3 can do now. I understand the backwards compatibillity with games and am ok with that if we are allowed to download them even at a price. Until things are fixed im staying with ps3 , could take years for us to upgrade to ps4. But thats up to sony. Cheers

Walter

So, you’ll be boycotting them for a month? Because that’s going to be the max amount of time for them to patch this.. See what you did article writer? You upset people over rubbish.

Kevin Deck

For all practical purposes, the Xbox 360 and the PS3 were exactly the same machine. It’s obvious that both Microsoft and Sony have decided to move in different directions this time around. Microsoft’s strategy is to take over your living room as an all-in-one device. Sony’s strategy is to provide gamers with exactly what they want and need, nothing more and nothing less, in this economy.

In terms of which machine is ultimately better, think of it like a race. Based on these business strategies, Sony is in position to win the 100-yard dash while Microsoft is in position to win the marathon. They are both winners when you consider their ultimate goal. In the big picture, the company most likely to suffer in the future is Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft have effectively eliminated them from the race altogether. Many would consider Nintendo a niche company anyway, however I believe this is the beginning of the end for them as their competitors can provide that niche market with more than Nintendo can offer (Microsoft – Kinect potential; Sony – PSVita potential).

The PS4 is a more powerful system and we will quickly tap into that potential in the coming months/years, provided game developers actually create platform specific games (in terms of hardware capabilities) and Sony stays in tune with the PS4 community as to what they want and provides adequate firmware updates, etc. for that.

The Xbox One will be close behind in the near future. As years start to pass, Microsoft will likely pull ahead because of what the Xbox One can ultimately offer long-term. We won’t know all that the Xbox One is really capable of for probably 2-4 years.

These next-gen consoles are going to both be great. In my opinion, each machine is tailored to a specific type of gamer, not necessarily an age range, brand-loyal customers, etc. That’s the beauty of it. Ask yourself what kind of gamer you are. What do you do with your current console? What would you like to do with your next console? Do you want to spend your money on the console that tears up the 100 yard dash, or the one that is pacing itself for the future? Both will win Gold metals, but the choice is yours.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

every device should do everthing

Kevin Deck

I have a computer, a tablet, a smartphone, and a cable box. Heck, I even have a bluray player by itself. So give me a call if you want your bluray player back too, Sony. Trust me, it’s way too early in the game for an all-in-one device. Do you think Microsoft has twelve Legions of tech-support to deal with their future?

david

youre so worried about the USB slot not recognizing your USB stick? is this what your article is all about? are u serious?

Andrew

yeaa, maybe writing about videogames is not your thing…?? Ever think about doing another career, because you obviously dont know what the hell your talking about..??

Andrew

yeaa, maybe writing about videogames is not your thing…?? Ever think about doing another career, because you obviously dont know what the hell your talking about..??

Andrew

yeaa, maybe writing about videogames is not your thing…?? Ever think about doing another career, because you obviously dont know what the hell your talking about..??

Jeffrey Kuhl

All of this will be ironed out. This is why you NEVER buy a new console at launch. Wait until the kinks are ironed out…..then buy.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

you have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it

Him

When I see “you’ve acquired through non-Sony channels” I read; stolen through torrent sites… Most legitimately bought movies have to be played through the hardware/software it was downloaded on (like PC/Divx) with all kinds of DRM hoops to jump through, so what content are you talking about, home movies? Boo hoo, you can’t play your pirated copy of Game of Thrones..? My heart bleeds! If you were a committed pirate you’d have plenty of avenues to pursue your illegal endeavors, hell even Sony TVs now play mkv files! No, sorry I don’t buy it for one second, and personally I’d rather play/watch films on a system where everyone contributes fairly to the costs of development, in games and movies (I play music through my sound system, duh). Piracy has to be fought at every turn, because I love games and I love films. The music industry failed to fight piracy and look how well that turned out!

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

you’ve never borrowed a game disc from a friend? You know, those people not related to you who enjoy your company.

I legitimately bought movies AND download ripped versions to play on the hardware I prefer.

Sir Didymus Liona

That’s not piracy. Piracy is theft. I highly doubt you delete any of your pirated material after you’re done. I doubt you’d spend another 6 gigabytes in bandwidth re-downloading it every time you want to use it… I have a feeling you keep it in a USB indefinitely. How does downloading pirated material = borrowing materials from friends? Those discs are PHYSICAL COPIES as opposed to electronic downloads.
You just compared apples to oranges.

Pirating is theft and something needs to be done about it. I think the internet is way too lawless. We need federal oversight, registration (meaning that nobody is an anonymous coward anymore,) stop pirating 100%, etc.

OMFU this isn’t imgur; they rape images. You might be happier with imageshack

PromKnight

Ha, I personally use Imageshack, have for years

A friend sent me that picture I just thought it was funny

Chris Edwards

So far I see a bunch of complaining from people who have no intention to buy it anyways.

justerthought

I applaud Sony’s game focussed approach but I agree that zero multimedia is going too far because you cannot play games all the time. We need something to do on the console when not playing games in order to keep it relevant. But I take the long view. Sony has concentrated on the core usage first to get it out the door and into living rooms before MS. All the missing features are software and services based, so they can be included in future via an update if enough people complain. This is exactly what is happening with CD and mp3 playback, and media streaming from a PC. They are working on the update.

Many features on PS3 did not emerge until long after release so it’s not fair to expect them all to be present at launch on PS4. I noticed they always came as an incentive to update whenever there was an important security update getting released. A little gift every now and again helps keep everyone on board.

The important thing is that the hardware spec is perfect because that cannot be updated. MS are in worse shape in this regard because the major XB1 issues are hardware based and are cast in stone for the rest of the consoles life span.

Regarding the games, I’m actually pleasantly surprised there is a launch game that’s worth buying because they are normally crude rush jobs full of bugs. The good stuff take time to create and usually comes later, but Assassin’s Creed 4 looks great for a launch game so I’m going with that. I’m sure the ease of programming and the fact that it was an existing series helped get it out the door.

Just like Sony, Ubisoft are getting the thing out in a basic form sending it off for manufacture as 900p with no anti aliasing and spending the time up to release working on 1080p update with smooth anti aliasing. A day one patch brings it all together.

This way of working seems to be the norm across the industry now. Releasing the thing in a basic form, then patching it up to speed at a later date. The process gives them a few extra months to work on the thing. The worst that can happen is the update gets delayed.

Zylvur

Really, selling something that not even ready yet is not professional at all.
It goes for all side.
Maybe most of the big guy should taste their crawling time again, when something like this mostly ended up in a garbage.
They need a little (or more) push here and there to wake up and wash their face.

IKROWNI

these morons would have been okay getting a plastic shell that says ps4 on it… and then they would have found millions of ways to defend how sony is going to release a mobo fix and send out the mobo within the next 6-12 months so calm down its a rock solid system. we should have the other parts of the console we already purchased ina few years.

FFS what is sony doing here a kickstarter to fund the ps4? they are taking the money with the promise that some day you will get a finished product and people are literally dumb enough to take this crap.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

It works for microsoft with windows and office.

Calcifer

Sensationalist article. You know as well as I do that Sony is going to patch these software options in.

Sam

This doesn’t make any sense, the HDD is easily replaceable so how do you format the new drive without USB? Answer: you can’t so it must be able to read external drives therefore you’re talking rubbish i hope no one listens to this tripe.

Stoney

It does not support external HDD. Thats why you can replace the HDD so easy.The HDD auto formats in the PS4 when you turn it on after installing a new one.

Sam

That is literally impossible. You have to download the install onto external USB & use the USB to format the drive.

angh

Actually he is right atm. You can use the usb memory to upload the system onto new hard drive, but to do that you have to go to service mode during the start.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

Please install Sophistry 4.2.0 asap

Paladinrja

I’m shocked. Ya know when Sony started getting lyrucal about X86 base in thier -=CONSOLE=- should’ve pretty much warned everyone. X86 with none of the redundancy measures PC systems are accustomed to and you have a modern APU that acts like a Win95 era machine in-system. Looks like Sony is going to be getting heavyily into the fully fledged OS game and might just sympathise with MS in the end.

Walter

Sony has already said that all that functionality is being worked on. We’ll probably see it very soon after the release. If they said that they’re cutting all those functions out forever then I would be pretty upset, but as it stands: is this even worth writing an article about? You’re just spreading unnecessary negativity as it stands. Is Sony bashing still what the cool kids are doing?

Kevin Moore

I am not a fan of DRM. However, I skipped the last generation of consoles and I don’t have a big desire for a lot of what’s mentioned here. The ability to load content from outside the PSN would be nice and hopefully they’ll add it in by the time I end up buying one, 3 to 6 months from now. I certainly hope I can still play bluray movies on it but i’m still living in a generation where consoles were primarily for games. (back when every had a standalone dvd player too). Right now, other than the clunky UI, PS4 seems to be the best option if that’s what you want.

ATis786

Stupid Article, full of nonsense, The PS3 did not come with all of the features it has today, many were brought in with firmware updates during its life cycle, the External drive thing is the same as it has been with PS3 which means you cant install games directly to an external hard drive, USB Flash drives? Who cares when theres cloud storage? MP3 and DLNA coming in a Later Firmware update. Its GAMES that matter to the consumer most while i do agree it is a bit of a backwards step by SONY not to include these at launch they did say these features will be implemented at a later date and so Far SONY has listened to its consumers on DRM etc so dont see why they wouldnt do the same to give PS Fans what they want

T14

“There’s no mention of the lack of support for external storage on the PS4 box, incidentally.”

I know if I was going to create a product and sell it, I’d definitely put things my product can’t do on the box…

“not strong enough to justify the $400 price tag”

The PS3 was the latest generation console for 7 years. Assuming the PS4 lasts just as long before the PS5 is released, at $400, that’s $5/month. You are paying $5/month for using something that likely took billions of dollars to develop. If that’s too rich for your blood, stick with tetris on Atari. If your concern is not how much you’re paying, but how Sony is ripping you off, then consider the fact that despite the massive costs of development, and man hours, Sony is actually selling each PS4 at a loss:

Not only do you get access to netflix in England, you’re actually going to be getting 4K streams. What you’re really saying is “my PS4 can’t stream my torrented movies and tv shows from my file server”… Quit complaining that major companies won’t make it easy for you to watch copyright content that you download for free off the net, and go get a Raspberry Pi for $50.

chojin999

The PS4 didn’t take billions on R&D for sure. If they spent $5million for everything that’s too much.

They are reselling the outdated crap bought from AMD that was going bankrupt.
It’s a scam and a fraud.

Back in 2010, Sony had 1,300 employees specifically working on their consoles, most of which are software engineers, designers, network engineers, sound engineers, electrical engineers, etc. In other words, not janitors – people who have spend some time in College or University, and are well compensated by Sony. Assuming that Sony hasn’t hired a single employee since then, and hasn’t lost any (since we don’t have any 2013 data on the number of employees), we’ll also assume here that their average wage is $30/hour (it’s likely way higher than that). Your estimate of $5 million will pay for 128 hours of labour. That’s not including the costs of equipment, facilities (buying and maintaining), servers and server maintenance, etc. Your estimate is laughable, to say the least.

“It’s a scam and a fraud.”

Sony is a company. It sells a non-essential product. As any company, it gets to decide what features to put into its product, and what not to. As a company, it’s driven by profit. The day that Sony has a monopoly on selling you water for $400 a glass, complain and call them scam artists and fraudsters all you want. It would still not be accurate (see definition of scam and fraud), but you’ll have the right to complain. Until that day, as with any other company, if you don’t like the product, don’t buy it. If you do, and you think it’s worth the money, buy it. Quit calling companies that are doing exactly what companies are supposed to do scam artists – it just sounds like you’re doing it because it’s cool to dis companies these days.

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> What you’re really saying is

Sony is disrepecting the consumer. I’m not paying a second- and third time for media I’ve already purchased.

I shall watch it on my terms. I pay for netflix AND usenet. netflix never delivers quality encoding on my very broadband not wifi home connection.

The Raspberry is $35, but +~$69 if you don’t already have all the other pieces.

T14

“I’m not paying a second- and third time for media I’ve already purchased.”

“The Raspberry is $35, but +~$69 if you don’t already have all the other pieces.”

True. Maybe even more than that. But if you want to be able to stream media to your TV and your existing hardware won’t do it (the PS4), don’t blame the existing hardware… Get hardware that does. Or don’t. Either way, I don’t blame by fridge for not having a microwave function just because it would save me money if it did.

Jason Garrett

If you want a media streaming box, just hook up a Roku.

IKROWNI

cause its a better machine than the new consoles!

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

no

stop tolerating xbmc bastardization

Jason Garrett

The Plex app on my Roku 3 boxes (we’ve got three of them) works MUCH better than streaming to my PS3 ever did.

angh

Already was announced that DLNA and mp3 will come in 2nd update. No problem for me at all, I’m getting it to play games anyway.

Segatakai

At this point there is no reason to get a ps4 unless you really just want a clearer picture. Without external media there really isn’t a point to playing it right now I have most the games on ps3 and when I get bored and wanna listen to music or watch a movie I have to plug my ps3 back in anyway. It is a gaming console tho and that’s all I can do. My ps3 is still getting more play than my bland ps4.

Filipe Garrett

Sebastian, change your name to Major Nelson, It’s more honest.

Slay

Sony is having a disastrous launch. Bricked consoles everywhere!

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

that’s a win for sony

fanbois will buy another one

Jason Williams

Well, this makes it easy. Not going to be upgrading out four PS3’s in the foreseeable future.

No Home Theater = No “Upgrade”

John Richardson

Big deal. I want the PS4 for games pure and simple. Lots of people will simply use the HTPC or popcorn hour to view media from their NAS’s/online like I do now – and have those devices do a superior job. The Xbone is trying to be everything to everyone. No wonder it is struggling to play 1080p. When the developers do work out how to get 1080p 60fps out of the XBone, the PS4 will still look better on the lighting, texture front. I’m glad Sony has given me a pure gaming machine. XBox has been my console of choice for the last 7 years. I’m happy to move back to Sony.

Additionally, on the one hand you say “But there are never any good games at launch, you say — and you’re right.” . But when you mention the good games are available to both consoles, you fail to point out that they look much better on the more powerful PS4.

I hope the PS4 does really well. My only fear is Developers not pushing the PS4 versions of games to the max because its easier and probably cheaper to dumb down to the XBone capability and produce essentially the same game for both consoles. We’ll know it if we see a growing disparity between cross platform games and those produced by NaughtyDog and the like – down the track a bit. Enough rant. Perhaps it is time for a steam box after all…….

JackBanner

Both consoles will be able to play games LMFAO

John Richardson

Indeed. The PS4 will just do games better. If that isn’t important to you then you’re on a winner with the Xbone. LMFAO

JackBanner

My pc can do games better you mean, the only reason I even wanted either one of these systems is for a cheap htpc LMFAO

John Richardson

And it can’t do HTPC? LMFAO. Each to his own my friend, I prefer the relative level playing field of the consoles vs the hacked PC world and unfair competition against keyboard and mouse (I like the feedback of a controller). No denying the power of the PC though, undisputable.

and thats just day 1 basically. wonder how many of the failed consoles will be going under christmas tree in 1 more month. all of those broken hearts and dreams of playing nextgen graphics just gone in a poof. and so help me god if you say “but sony said its less than 0.4% failure rate. hmmm and microsoft never once lied about there rrod failure rate did they? and like i said thats not including all the people that have just not experienced issues yet and the many more who havent even turned there ps4 on yet. oh boy this holiday season is going to be soooo fun. first the morons will kill each other off on black friday, then morons in this camp will dodge stuff like rent or electricity to get there new consoles endangering there childrens benefit, and then on christmas they will all rage when there console doesnt work.

either that or the dumbshits will praise it sooo mightily about how the graphics look soooo much better now that they are playing 720p games at 35fps and how big of a difference there is from previous. you know the normal nutbag responses.

Goodgrief

Great job on writing a post that contributes nothing to the topic at hand.

Matthew Bryant

And not one fuck was given this day. Seriously, most of the things you’re complaining about will undoubtedly be added in a firmware update before long, and those that aren’t really aren’t necessary for a “game console”. Does it play great games and Netflix? Cool, I’m happy.

Sir Didymus Liona

“Undoubtedly”? based on what? Your desperation or actual proof? It seems like these new consoles are taking the DRM approach and making it impossible to play anything outside of what they own (so that you have to buy their products.) I have a feeling this is going to stay this way.

Shawn

Sony already said that mp3 and DLNA are coming in a future patch, since that’s the one that concerns you, OP. The primary goal of their launching the PS4 was to make it a fast, responsive, and fun gaming console, which they succeeded on! Give them time to add the features you hold so dearly to your game’s console.

ubuntupanther

The best option will be to put Linux on PS4 alongside the sony os so you can treat it fully as a PC. This option was available for some time in PS3. PS4 is a much more powerful machine so it can run Linux better. But since Sony does not endorse this option, some good hackers must find a way to enforce it on the machine. I hope this will not take long…

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

> find a way to enforce it on the machine

/that/ will be entertaining

http://fuck-sony.xxx/crackers.emboldened sony cluelessER

preventing piracy? Is smoking meth a REQUIREMENT for sony employees now? Crackers love to be told they can’t do this or that! duh? welcome to the internets again

Alternatively, you’ve got the PS3 with a ton of features that they probably found the vast majority of owners never used. DLNA? MP3s on PS3? Streaming from external sources, external storage, etc? I never used any of that on my PS3 and that’s probably what one might argue pushed the initial cost to $600.

Though to be fair, on the MP3s and DNLA aspect, Sony has said they are taking feedback on that, so it’s possible it will be useable later. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s away to make use of external devices like USB flash drives considering you can use one to install your updates to the console.

But you’re probably right that piracy plays a role in this decision. Piracy is a huge topic for both the game and movie industries and just about everyone inside is looking for ways to contribute to stopping it. Congratulations, as usual, thieves ruin it for honest people. This is why we can’t have nice things. T_T

Craigg Jones

I get it. There’s got to be one person to throw out an article bashing the PlayStation. Look… I’m not a professional but I am intelligent enough to understand this is ps4 UI v.1.50 making it one of the firsts.idk about you… But updates are coming to the ps4, more then likely enabling these features you are talking down on. I’m not trying to be a “fan box” or become that “ass hole” but seriously… Its a power house in hardware… And the software is lacking things, but… In time these updates will happen and the ps4 is capable of doing it. Out the box, yes, its a pain you can’t do these things when you should be able to, but don’t give up yet. Sony will bring these features just as they’ve done on the ps3.

Joel Hruska

Great! So let them say so.

The exhaustive PS4 FAQ mentions precisely none of these issues as receiving upcoming fixes, while simultaneously identifying other areas that *will* be receiving upcoming fixes.

Furthermore, the fact that it’s a new device is absolutely irrelevant. When the PS3 added functions for the first time, it made sense to say “Yes, we had to figure out how to do this on our hardware.” Are you telling me Sony can’t figure out how to implement USB support using commodity x86 hardware running an OS based in Linux? Really?

No. Of course you aren’t.

And yes, if MS blows this, it’ll be even worse, because they’ll have explicitly stripped out functionality built into Windows 8. But I expect my consoles to evolve and improve features, not strip out baseline capability. And I expect a 2013 console for $400 to offer a fundamentally better, more complete set of features than a 2005 console selling for half the price.

Craigg Jones

Ok. I see your point. Not saying your wrong. I’m just saying… If company’s want to be successful now adays then doing something as simple as adding support for there user basis is a critical move. They should have had this upon opening the box and plugging it in. Idk, I like to.believe that Sony will implement these things at some point because gaming systems are becoming more of an “all in one media stream” . regardless on what the shit says in specifics on updates. Its a hope, not a none fact they will do what needs to happen. So calm down max. Like I said in the last comment. Not trying to be an ass hole, just wording my thoughts just like you are with your comment back

Joel Hruska

I think if Sony meant to add the features, they’d already have said so. Doesn’t mean they won’t change their minds, but the only way to get them to change their minds is to make noise about wanting features.

Craigg Jones

Sorry meant Joel.

wowgivemeabreak

It’s this type of stuff along with how frustrating consoles are with freezing and other issues that made me decide to go back to gaming on my PC instead of getting a next gen console.

Larry

the features missing in the article did not ship with the PS3 or xbox either. They were added as the features will be added to both new consoles. remember the PS3 and the almost dailody updates — well nothings changed and i expect daily and weekly updates for the ps4 that will be mind numbingly inconvienient

Memphis May [S]unjay

The PS4 is still the superior device.

Sir Didymus Liona

Well it’s obvious this is an overpriced price of crap. This $400 device can only do ONE THING. PC’s can do a billion times more than the shit consoles and you can find them for less than $400 if you aren’t too picky.

fupidstucker

Find me a gaming pc on par with the ps4 for less than $400.

Sir Didymus Liona

It seems like these new consoles are taking the DRM approach and making it
impossible to play anything outside of what they own (so that you have
to buy their products.) I have a feeling this is going to stay this way.

Sir Didymus Liona

Piracy is theft. I highly doubt any of you guys delete any of your pirated material after
you’re done. I doubt you’d spend another 6 gigabytes in bandwidth re-downloading it every time you want to use it… I have a feeling you keep it in a USB indefinitely. Temporarily borrowing a disc from a friend doesn’t equal downloading a song and keeping it indefinitely. Those discs are PHYSICAL COPIES as
opposed to electronic downloads.

Pirating is theft and something needs to be done about it. I think the internet is way too lawless. We need federal oversight, name registration and identification (meaning that nobody is an anonymous coward anymore and people can introduce themselves like how NORMAL REAL-LIFE PEOPLE DO IT,) stop pirating 100%, etc. We need judicial oversight completely. I’m not tolerating this wild west shit.

Joel Hruska

Enjoy your total loss of freedom and inability to run, compile, or create your own software, backup data, or watch, excerpt, or enjoy anything if a glitch-ridden bugfest of a program doesn’t approve.

melodicmizery

i made a huge list of things they removed and problems. believe me no one was more upset and pissed off then me i spent the past 2 days upset over how shitty this system is. once i got past throwing my fit and took the system as it is its actually a beast when it comes to gaming but thats it. with that being said i think there main focus was on capturing video and storing video and making sure the games run smooth. i think they didnt want to be bothered by anything else. but also the system kind of isnt easy to keep track of friends and talk to them. this system seems just more for the solo guy who likes to post uploads and stream games. anyways heres my huge list of things that makes me hate the ps4

-day 2 and i only have 300/500 gigs available. by the end of the week im going to be in trouble lol

-data problems, my ps4 started rebuilding its database out of nowhere for no reason, then i put battlefield in and it shut off followed by a corrupting save file losing everything

-save files are pretty big compared to before (around 20m, takes long to copy and backup)

-you can see ps3 friends online but they cannot see ps4 friends online.

-friend has signed on and off notification gone

-usb use gone (can use for saved games only)

-cant store video, no video file support (cant store/play mp4s avis etc) (you can store recorded share option in game footage, but you cannot transfer it to usb)

-cant store mp3 (supposenly adding later but will they add videos?)

-cant play cd’s -no cd player

-you cant sort trophys, per game, or all. its one way and thats it. you cant sort by earned date, earned, not earned, you cant do anything

except view them the way they are listed there is no changing the view at all)

-friends list seperate tab and no status bubbles/comments above names

-games are gigantic installs (30gigs to 100gigs mandatory game installs i downloaded b4 the entire day on my 60m connection)

-100 gigs gone at launch you get 408 gigs not 500 gigs

-themes are gone

-cant determine which friends are on ps3 or ps4 its just a plain generic list with no details

-doesnt say when someone was last online, so if someone hasnt signed on in 5 months you wont know to delete them. you can store more friend though but why make it harder to shuffle through?

– no 3d support (havent tested but thats what i heard)

– no chord when buying a controller

– no external hard drive support (same as usb use gone above)

– controller r2 and l2 feels like triangles spearing your fingertips and most games are making r2 mandatory to fire instead of R1 as a selling point for the controller. they also WONT let you change the button configuration to fire on R1. Controller hurts middle finger badly.

– no pause menu or select button, there is a share and options button. the options button will pause the game sometimes depending on the game

– there is audio in the controller but most games dont seem to be using it at all

-avatars are the same free ones from ps3 that came out in 2006

-cant load a list of your premium avatars from ps3

-cannot pause downloads

– sharing video file, if file fails at any point there is no resume. (i was uploading a short 200m video of about 3 minutes of playin and it

failed had to start all over which by that point i had lost interest. this is a cool feature but you can only upload it to facebook and the

files are pretty big so unless you have something spectacular like 100 kills in a round then all your doing is taking up gigs worth of

background memory.you can though edit them to be smaller but you can only edit one snippet)

– cannot organize downloaded games. might not be a issue at first but what happens when you have 50 games in a year and there all over the place and you cant categorize them at all. on ps3 you had folders you could make and move files around. there is no folders games are just thrown into one section like the ps store

– sub accounts cant use share option? (havent tested this, heard it)

-photos seem to be gone, no photo tab, cant import photos no more, i dont think you can send photos either in a message anymore. for this i mean usb import of photos. you can take screenshots of the game but you cant import a guy grilling a chicken on a ps3 to send to friends in a message as a joke or any merry christmas pictures

-cannot turn the light off on the controller. may not seem like a big issue at first but wait till it flashes in your face a thousand times

like a strobelight it gets annoying fast!!!

-no backwards compatability

– no blu ray remote support (not a big issue for me but others seem to be really mad at this)

– only 2 usb slots which sucks but since you cant use it for anything anyways it dont matter at this point

-unstable ps plus, disconnections and being booted to the menu. cant play certain games offline. if were paying for a internet connection to our cable company then theres no reason why we should have to pay sony to be online. if were paying for dedicated connection then that proved false on launch day with the disconnections.

-price tag, if all the above features are removed then why is the ps4 more then the ps3? it should be the same price as a wii when you think about it they do the same thing. all the media has been removed and you only have a gaming system and quite frankly there is no games that knock my socks off right now.

– dlna support gone, media servers gone

-controls make your hands sweat more then usual

Al.

PS4 is still way better than the Xbox One. You get way more for your money with the PS4. Also gaming performance is rumored to be better than Xbox One and sometimes even on par with gaming pcs.

CrazedLeper

At first blush, I got the impression that Sony ditched DLNA because they just didn’t want to have to deal with issues like Cinavia, which really made Sony look bad (in my opinion). Upon closer examination, however, it appears that Sony is suffering from Apple envy…what electronics manufacturer isn’t? It appears that Sony has lost its way. It no longer offers anything truly exceptional or exclusive. If the games are all based upon the x86 chip, what do we *need* a PS4 for?

Joel Hruska

In theory, optimization. Games will be fine-tuned to run on a console. But then, that’s what Mantle is supposed to allow for on the PC side.

Homeroids

This article is going to look pretty stupid when Sony adds DLNA back, as they seem to indicate they will. Just saying. I’d say it’s likely to happen. For me, I’m glad Sony concentrated their firmware on the gaming attributes at launch. PS3 had no DivX, no DLNA at launch either, BTW. Besides, I did not buy a console to watch TV and not being located in the US, I doubt the TV integrated aspect of the X1 will ever be that great anyway.

Alena Alambeigi

I totally disagree with you, I love my Playstation 4. I had a PS3 since launch and maybe used the LAN feature 3 times. I have so many other ways to get my media on my TV and frankly that are more user friendly than the PS3 LAN. The PS4 added a lot of cool new features, built in streaming, voice control, multi tasking, and a ton of other stuff. I can say it’s worth the money and especially being $100 cheaper than the Xbox One.

matt

Buy a $300 laptop and a $5 hdmi cable. problem solved. Theres your home theater right there. You are bitching that your $400 gaming powerhouse doesn’t have the same features as a pc when a pc with similar specs would cost twice as much. Maybe you forgot ps3 was like $600 when it was released. Very few people rely as heavily on their playstation to watch movies and look at family photos as you seem to do. Who the hell puts movies on thumb drives anyway. Hell, my tv takes thumb drives. You can’t expect sony to cater to your dated habbits.

Térence Vigan

The USB Stick does nothing…The console had a patch day one, dude. It might be corrected with another patch…

wegf

“from our low-level analysis, that the PS4 really is close to being a PC.”

If thats the conclusion you reached, it really must have been a “low-level analysis”.

Allmanot

I never really used those functions on my ps3, and whatever music I had I deleted to make room for games, I mean that’s what it’s suppose to do right? Play games first and the rest second? What’s wrong with having a game console that plays just games, it worked well 20 years ago, I’m sure the million plus gamers who’ve already picked up the ps4 and soon to get one will have to wait a little longer for the next patch, unless there will never be another one..ever, and I doubt that’s the case. Besides how many devices do u need to view ur holiday pics anyway?

tektel

I knew it just by the title, this was signed by Sebastian Anthony. This guy really hates the ps and loves.. well, everything most people hates (DRM, always connected, artificial limitations, cloud everything, corporate control, etc.)

Chester Copperpot

Feature wise, the PS4 feels like a step back. I had a rude surprise when I went to watch Monsters University in 3D on the PS4 – there is no 3D Bluray support. Let’s see what MS puts together this week (I heard there is no DLNA either, however, let’s see about the other features the PS lost between 3 and 4).

http://gcomputer.net/ DarkGray Knight

I expect the Xbox One to play local/LAN content. I have a Windows Home Server and Windows Phone 8, Windows 8.1 computers/tablet. So I expect a lot of capabilities with the complete Microsoft system. Of course SkyDrive on all these devices makes it pretty easy to share photos and documents.

I also expect USB drives to work directly with the Xbox, as it is built on the Windows 8 core.

So we’ll see when it gets here.

disqus_7zCKYC2BSD

i don’t like this lock down verison of the ps4! I thought about getting one but now i don’t know seems like i might be jumping ship and getting the new xbox and keep my ps3!!

InsanityCarnival

I was very upset when i got my PS4 that I couldn’t watch USB movies. What a waste

Arcendus

A waste? Really seems people are purchasing the wrong products to satisfy their needs these days… It’s meant to play video games. I thought they made that pretty obvious. If you want a media player, buy a media player.

InsanityCarnival

Yeah a waste – It should do what the PS3 does but better. I full entertainment center. That’s why it has a blu-ray player, netflix and PS Store to rent movies, etc… its for more than just games.

Lex Mastermind Lotharr

PS4 is backwards

Brian Ghattas

I bought a PS4 to play video games period. I already have an “all-in-one entertainment” hub. It’s called a personal computer. Which means I have no need to buy an Xbox One because my PC does more than it could ever do and for cheaper.

More idiocy from Sebastian Anthony; who never graduated from a journalism school and is just another glorified San Francisco blogger.

Blurpo

I didn’t know the PS4 didn’t have a media player. I stupidly assumed it would have one (and even thought it would be better, with more controls, than the one in the PS3). Once it was up and patched, I felt like a fool when I couldn’t find the option to play my movies, then checked the internet, and can’t tell you how disappointed I was when I found out it just doesn’t have a DLNA media player. So guess I’ll have to have the PS3 next to the PS4 for my movies. I hope they just ran out of time and will include it in a patch soon.

Jesse

Oh look Sony just made the PS4 nothing more than a worthless piece OF JUNK!!!!

Arcendus

Jesse, for crying out loud, quit crying out loud. Go buy your XBOne or continue sitting there at your costly PC or, better yet, go pick up a Wii U. Whether or not it’s a “piece OF JUNK” (it isn’t), your comment here is utterly worthless as it offers no argument or insight. No one gives a shit about unsupported personal opinion.

Jesse

Oh really then why did you even reply if you think my opinion is worthless? The PS4 is a GRADE A Donkey TURD!!!!

Lex Mastermind Lotharr

Most of em are dead out the box.

fupidstucker

Where do you get this info? Show me where numbers report a high fail rate of PS4.

fupidstucker

Just took a whole 15 seconds to Google the PS4 failure rate. (Drum roll) Less than 1 percent. I’m not a math wiz but the failure rate of over 1 million units sold is less than 10,000. Yeah that’s unfortunate for those that got a dead unit but nothing is perfect and this is unavoidable. I’m sure xbox will see the same in failure rate if not slightly higher. 360 red ring of death ring a bell?

You cant buy a PC with the same specs as a PS4 or a Xbox One at that price.

Yoduh99

wait a sec. xbone is announced and everyone is like “TV TV TV TV TV!!!!” and complain it’s not a PURE gaming machine, then ps4 is released and everyones suddenly “HOW COME THIS THING ONLY PLAYS GAMES!?”. wtf just happened?

fupidstucker

Im glad that some people see the ridiculousness of this. I laugh at Microsoft for making a gaming console that is more focused on media streaming rather than gaming. Next gen people will complain that the PS5 can’t make phone calls or that the xbox doesn’t have enough channels.

Allan

Is the pure game thing not what everyone wanted? Saying the xbone has all this useless crap when PS4 is strictly a gaming system. Now you have it and it’s not good enough lol…the only complaint I have is not being able to stream movies from my PC…but who knows that could change in the future if enough people bitched about it. But either way I have my roku for that so i’m happy.

fredj

Why the hell do you want to look at photos with a games console? that’s what you use your pointless tablet for, as that’s about all it’s good for.

John Apeli

People that want to show their pictures on a big screen. When was the last time games consoles were just used for games? The PS3 was a multimedia center more than a dedicated game console.

Arcendus

What a truly useless and ignorant comment, Fred.

lvzx14

God PC gamers these days……..your not helping your community by acting like you are better than everybody els just because they enjoy gaming on a different platform. And this is coming from someone who has been a PC gamer since before the original quake.

They both have they’re advantages and if you can’t see that then that’s your own problem. I enjoy what consoles have to offer, a lot of my friend game on consoles so I do as well.

We have yet to see what these new consoles can do as they just came out. Within the next few years as developers get more familiar with them we will see some impressive games.

And I’m not even taking into account the media and social abilities they offer.

These newer generations of dedicated pc gamers are a joke, do you honestly believe acting that way benefits your community? Likewise for console players as well.

In the end I enjoy video games period. On any platform, why would I limit myself and the enjoyment from both platforms.

Kevin Hall

Good Article, i use my ps3 every single day for streaming shows and movies from my pc to ps3 using the ps3 media server, the fact that this is not doable on the ps4, just goes to show that they caught on to what people were using the streaming, for and while its not technically legal, F them, i will be keeping my ps3 literally just so i can stream from my pc to tv

Humza

I don’t think the ‘Gaming’ thing too far, the PS4 is marketed to be exactly what it is which is a very powerful gaming machine. If I wanted it to buy a multimedia hub for my house I would just buy a PC and stream everything through a wireless network.

Sony never intended to make a multimedia hub from the start because they have always been focused on the main topic which is ‘Gaming’. As for the price tag of $400 USD or £349 I think it provides a fair decent amount of release games even if they are not exclusive.

I can’t possible see how Killzone: Shadow Fall, NFS, Call of Duty Ghosts and Knack are not worth it, its True that you can’t get all of them within the price tag but you have to remember that PS3 was much more expensive on release if I compare the release prices I would say this is a brilliant change. Not only is it cheaper it is also undercutting the Xbox One which is now basically focusing more on TV and Multimedia rather than Gaming.

In the end why would I want to buy a ‘Gaming’ console if it focuses less on Gaming and more on TV and Multimedia. Im sure they will find a way to fix small problems such as not being able to use Flash Drives or MP3/MP4 viewage in the Future.

This year I think it’s a simple choice if I want to game I get the PS4 and if I want a multimedia hub which I already have called the PS3 and PC I can just buy the Xbox One If I really want another one to satisfy my Collection

fupidstucker

The PS4 is a gaming console. Notice how I said gaming console, not media hub. I buy a gaming console strictly for one thing… gaming. If your major concern is being able to stream pirated content through a console, then maybe you should just get a computer. Has anyone thought that this is frowned upon by industries because piracy takes money away from the people who put time, effort, and money into making a movie, album or game? I really don’t see why this is such a surprise and let down to people. These companies are in it to make money, not allow you to steal from others.

Lex Mastermind Lotharr

And yet, they are selling it a fully working media hub, which it clearly is not.

fupidstucker

In a sense it is due to there being netflix and a web browser. Lets take one thing into consideration. They can add, remove or alter features with system updates. Who knows what will be added, removed or altered as time goes by. Don’t be so quick to pass judgment or assume things when there is still time for new features to be added.

Lex Mastermind Lotharr

Still though, for the price you would expect to be able to play dvd and blu ray out of the box, no so, and you can’t play cd, at all. All this downloading patches nonsense, is a blight on the games industry. t means they can put out any half finished crap, and people will still buy because the devs promise it will be patched later. Whatever happened to something just working when you first spend a half a grand on it?

fupidstucker

Did they not have a day one patch to enable blu ray and many other features? Oh that’s right, they did. It is a bit of a burden to download an update before you can do things with it but it’s not as though we had to wait a week before we could use it. Do you know why they did this? I honestly don’t know why but I will take a stab in the dark and assume that they had a reason for it. I also feel that this is kinda similar to having to update drivers and such with a pc before some things will work. If you ask me this has been something that has been happening for years now, why people now want to complain about it completely baffles me.

Myherofails

It does work. Fantastically so.

Andy

Thanks for the article, it was very informative.
I hope the xbox one will play video files, I live in South Korea so there is no Netflix.
If it doesn’t then I’ll just buy another PS3 because mine just broke again.

Lex Mastermind Lotharr

Piracy??? WTF

TV is for Morons

I buy a GAMING console for GAMING. I don’t need yet another multi media box in my house.

TBIRDUSA

what you don’t note, is that no one cares about these arbitrary features you are knocking. no usb drive capability?!?!?!? thats becuase the hard drive is expandable and actually doing so, changes game load times/boot times. I havent tried plugging a camera into my ps4, but then again i never tried doing that on my ps3 or xbox360 either. The only thing you found to complain about is being able to use the USB drives for things that are really not nessesary and almost EVERYONE is capable of doing those things on another device….

Kamille

it seems someone is butthurt?

Son of Liberty

the PS4 is garbage iam selling it and getting an Xbox one.

Mark Joshi

And this is why i Kept my ps3 as well when i bought my ps4

Mark Joshi

And this is why i Kept my ps3 as well when i bought my ps4

A6K

This is what blows my mind about complaints over the PS4 not doing this or that.
I have SO many devices that stream music, movies and other content.
Don’t you realize that when you buy a PS4 or X1 you don’t have to throw out all your other devices.
I have an Xbox 360 and PS3. I have never used a gaming console for music, movies, HBO Go or anything like that. I turn them on to play a game and turn them off when I am done.
Because my iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, PC, MacBook, Directv, do all of the media services I want already. WTF do I need with ANOTHER box to do all of that?
What a dumb, whiney, bias, trolling article.

TampaJoey

100% agree with your assessment. I also have at least 6 other devices that can handle my media needs.

Esmeralda

Do we fucking care?

TampaJoey

I couldn’t give a fuck less what you care about.

Esmeralda

Yeah because you’re a rich elitist from Florida.

vio1ator

813 TAMPA. BAAAAY!

GORAYS!

Fellow rich, white, Tampa, Florida e1337ist reporting in.

vio1ator

813 TAMPA. BAAAAY!

GORAYS!

Fellow rich, white, Tampa, Florida e1337ist reporting in.

Esmeralda

Yeah i heard they’re very racist over there. Florida is the most racist state in America.

fupidstucker

Florida is not the most racist state in the US. Have you hear of Westboro?

Myherofails

Your welcome to go the fuck back to whatever shithole you came from.

TampaJoey

Yep, with a job! I have a big house and a nice car and all sorts of electronic toys… plus a couple guns to protect all the stuff I worked for from ghetto hood rats like you. So come and try and break into my home and steal my stuff and you’ll end up shot and dead on my livingroom floor.

Now go swim back across the river to your 3rd world country shithole.

Esmeralda

racist ass

fupidstucker

Joey, you should take a few minutes and read her replies to me (if you haven’t already). I think you will get a laugh out of her ignorance.

TampaJoey

Yeah dude, she’s a trashy ass ghetto whack job.

fupidstucker

I just don’t get it. Why are some many people worried about media streaming on a gaming console? One of the few benefits of being able to do this is streaming pirated media to your tv. Granted not all people who stream media like so are pirating the media they have downloaded but I feel comfortable in believing that a good majority do. Calling the PS4 a “very expensive and attractive brick” is absurd. Does the lack of media streaming over a network mean this much? First and foremost as I have said before, it’s a gaming console. If that is more important to you than what the system is truly made for (GAMING) then don’t bother with ever buying a console. Is it not know that smart tvs now allow you to stream media over your network? If you don’t have a smart tv, it’s rather easy and not very expensive to make your tv a smart tv. Instead of blowing more money on a pc that is on par with a PS4, invest in making your tv a smart tv with a simple and rather inexpensive usb smart stick.

Esmeralda

Not everyone can afford all the bullshit that people buy to stream things. My cousin doesn’t have an ipad, iphone, tablet, or whatever you snobby white guys have because he had his play station 3. Plus he’s a little boy and he doesnt need all that crap. He got the ps4 and he cant do shit with it besides those 3 wack ass games from the store that are free. He thought he could watch toy story from his usb stick and he can’t. Hes back to playing his ps3 and his parents are just gonna send back the ps4. So fuck you all the snobs here who are naming all their expensive shit like apple tvs. Not everyone can afford to buy all of that.

fupidstucker

Who said anything about an apple tv? A usb smart stick to makes a tv into a smart tv is not expensive. Besides all he would have to do is have both consoles hooked up. When we wants to watch movies from his usb, switchthe tv input over to the ps3, problem solved. Doesnt take a genius to figure that one out, plus didnt have to spend any money.

Esmeralda

He knows how to do that already with the ps3 dummy. It’s the PS4 that doesnt do shit.

fupidstucker

Then reread my reply moron. What I’m getting at is why does he have to get rid of the ps4 when all he has to do is switch the input over to his ps3 to play movies off of a usb?

Esmeralda

what?

vio1ator

Lmao. Poor kid never had a chance.

vio1ator

Last post was from my smartphone, this one is from my iPad.

Esmeralda

Yes because you have a job. When he’s old enough he will get one, too. Fucker.

fupidstucker

The PS4 does more than play games. If he can get a PS4 then why can’t he use the free PS Plus code and $10 PSN codes that comes in the PS4 box? With PS Plus he gets 3 free games. I would explain what the other code is for but I do hope you can actually figure that one out by yourself.

Myherofails

It’s a gaming console you dipshit. What so you mean it doesn’t do anything BUT PLAY GAMES?

fupidstucker

Oh and how do you know we are white? Just because im trying to open people’s narrow minds makes me white?

Esmeralda

Because you guys are. Bragging about all the stupid tablets and ipads and shit you guys own. Not everyone has 6 different things that do the same shit.

fupidstucker

Please point out one comment I made where I was bragging about having something. FYI I dont have a tablet, pc or anything else you mentioned. So Caucasian is the only race that brags about what they own? Are you absolutely sure that I’m white?

fupidstucker

Furthermore I don’t think A6k was bragging aboit what he has in the slightest. If you read his post, he is calling this article bias. He in no way bragged about what he has. He plainly made a comment about how he has many numerous devices that allow him to stream his media. By that he is saying he could care less if the PS4 doesn’t allow you to because he doesn’t need it nor does he want it for that. Please tell me how he is bragging. Try taking a few minutes to read what people are saying, don’t just go off the hinge about something you for some reason misunderstood. The posts that A6k and myself made are very clearly stated and I fail to see how anyone can misunderstand our comments.

Esmeralda

I don’t know but reading most of these yeah white. And Asian.

Myherofails

Wow. What a whine ass cry baby. It’s not our fault your broke ass can’t afford simple things. Get a fucking job someplace other than McDonalds and grow the fuck up son.

Perhaps they should have either done an ounce of research before making a 450 dollar purchase. How about that idea? Or perhaps maybe doing some research now – those features are coming soon. It takes time to program all of the extra little shit people want.

If your family is so damn poor as you say then buying a game console at launch was probably a bad fucking idea to begin with.

Oh and to end, fuck you for being a racist prick.

Esmeralda

Did you read that the ps4 rant was about my cousin who is like 8 years old? so shut the fuck up. I have the ps4 and i play games on it. It’s my cousins who want to return it. You stupid fucker.

Esmeralda

You’re fucking stupid. Oh I’m poor right? I have all the crap that you think i don’t have but i was making a point that not everyone can afford it or wants all those things. The Ps3 came out years ago. Some college kids or even high schools actually save up just to buy the Ps4. Oh and suck a dick.

TampaJoey

PS4 is for gaming… for everything else there is the Pirate Bay.

Esmeralda

fuck u

TampaJoey

Blow me whore

Esmeralda

go drink some bleach you devil

TampaJoey

Hey cum dumpster did you get the $10 I left you for the BJ?

Esmeralda

no you mistook me for your mother you inbred cunt. stop fucking her and she can get her own job

TampaJoey

I hear Mexican girls like anal sex?

Esmeralda

who told you im mexican you stalking my profile jerkoff and i dont like anything where i shit but im sure you do fag

TampaJoey

Cuz you got a picture up as your avatar you stupid Mexican. My pretty white dick is to awesome for a lesbo Mexican.

Esmeralda

so what i could be cuban and fuck your white chick thats secretly sucking a non white dude dick behind your back you must be giving her plenty of meth just so she can stay with you. im sure you guys have kids and do pedo shit with them n watch nasty

TampaJoey

Nope sorry no kids. Just my PS4 and some yummy bleach. Why you such an angry lil ho?

Esmeralda

im not a hoe so you need to take that back

TampaJoey

Ok, why are you so angry attacking everyone for no reason. I was just minding my own business and you got all attitude with me.

Esmeralda

i dont like how you and other people who share your opinion acting all hot shit because some ppl want the usb to work and stufff. you basically called me poor when im not poor im good homes

TampaJoey

I didn’t mean to call anyone poor. I never even had a PS3… I still had an old PS2. I had to use my college aid money to buy a new PS4 so I was excited about it.

Esmeralda

oohh really? thats good then. if you’re sorry then im sorry

TampaJoey

Are we cool then now?

Esmeralda

yes

TampaJoey

Good. I apologize for all the mean shit I said. I have nothing against Spanish people at all. So don’t think every white guy is evil. We all aren’t bad.

Esmeralda

I apologize too. I shouldn’t have jumped the gun either. I was just angry.

ExcaliburEdge

Those LAN features are coming, I’m sure. Just search for what Yoshida had to say about it.

Eric bain

who who ever wrote this is a fucking retard. its a fucking gameing console every body wants a more powerful gameig console not a fucking cable box. ps4 is better. it has better graphics.o ya fuck the future ps4 is all about gameing not tv.thats why xbox one is trash. in your a fucking retard if u only care about exclusives. in r u mad because your xbox one is weaker then the ps4 does this gameingreporter need a bottle to suck on because ps4 dont have the stuff u want. grow the fuck up in stop being a cry baby bitch. Ps4 is worth 400$ u dumass stop doing gameing reports because u fucking suck at it

Eric bain

the steam box wont be in the console war.

garethWill

who cares i never used any of those functions to begin with and i have never seen anyone i know who has a PS3 use them. second sony has had up for a while that you can not use plug in storage devises and i bet it says that in the operation manual. i mean why use your games console to plat mp3 files when the television speakers are not as good as stereo speakers or even so PC speakers have better sound quality.

most people don’t buy one device to do everything, what i think most people buy a games console is to play games on not what home movies or look a holiday snaps or even listen to music.
the i seen people use the ps3 for other than playing games was watching movies, which i still believe you can do with blu rays as well as streaming. but at the end of the day it is a gaming machine. if you wont something like what you describe shell out almost a grand for a gaming PC. consoles will never be at the same level as a gaming pc and its stupid to compare it to one. as for Xbox one its just a inferior PC i mean i have voice recognition software on my PC big whoop. also only a child or a very stupid person would find kinect fun for long periods of time
get over it

Kamikaze Scotsman

Why would I want to look at pictures on my game console? I will never understand the people who push for such useless features. Consoles are for games, PCs are for all that other crap (and also for games).

I’ll be happy to see the PS4 have one less useless menu to ignore.

bobcollum

The ‘it’s a game console’ and ‘I don’t use that anyway’ arguments take me back to the days when Sony was removing our ability to run a linux os on the ps3.

Is it silly to think a game console that has the ability to be so much more, could actually be so much more? Apparently to some, it is.

Vonrikke

Sony has stated they will be adding external storage support but it is not on the ps4 at launch. Shame on the author for writing this whole rant with out knowing that. Everyone thinks they are an acomplished tech head these days. You shouldnt quit your day job.

TRiSKRiDER

holding on to my ps3 and will probably built a powerful PC as my game and entertainment system…

Paulo Pires

How about we are no longer able to play 3D movies? :(
This is a great post and I could’t agree more with it. I sold my PS3 and bought a PS4 just to regret it deeply! My kids play games but I used it mostly for music and streaming videos from my computer or Android phone. SUCKS!

Unhappy

For real I wish I could go back in time and build a gaming / Media PC. …… I realized this when I tried to watch homeland from the ps4 browser…… Lame lame lame….. Big regrets. I realize that I’m part of the problem though for buying it. Microsoft and Sony with there idiotic online fee. Oh hi consumer do you mind if I take the internet connection your paying for and keep you from using it until you pay my troll toll. Greedy trolls!!!

fupidstucker

Do you realize that having to pay them to play online pays for the servers that they have to keep up and running? Not only that but it also helps them increase security for the servers to prevent attacks to the network. Does anyone take these into consideration before the complain about why they charge for their online services? As for building a gaming pc, you would spend well over $400 on making one on par with the PS4. As many of people have pointed out, the PS3 didn’t release with all these features but they added them in over time with patches and updates. The main focus for Sony on the PS4 is and always will be gaming. Thats why I got a PS4 and not the xbox1.

Unhappy

Actually with one game and one year of PSN my total came in at around 600. A $600 gaming pc Would take a massive dump all over the capabilities of all “next Gen” system, plus you could watch all your favorite shows for free, play online for free, have a REAL web browser. use a mouse and keyboard or controller, oh yeah use the $150 wireless SONY gaming headset. read a cd, play music, movies and pictures from a usb thumb-drive. play Pandora, use any controller you want. as for online you do realize there are thousands upon thousands of secure FREE online gaming servers. oh yeah play all blueray movies not just the ones Sony decides to support. the online payment argument is void. It freaking sony don’t be naive. Im sorry I know that is what every one from game stop is telling you. why do you think they scratched the download only idea? You have to think like a business person to fully understand all the decisions they make. Thats like saying: no man don’t go on steam or play any pc games because they cant be secure without charging you $60 a year. oh yeah don’t use any email servers that are free either. crap I shouldn’t even be posting on this free forum, it cant be that secure either. Sorry man don’t mean to be a jerk. I’m just venting don’t get me wrong I enjoy playing PS4. but don’t be fooled the ONLY reason they are charging you and me $60 a year for a service that should be free is because they saw Microsoft get away with it. And because sony will get away with it, you will start to see pc games all be on some kind of payable online service one day.

Unhappy

I Work hard for my money. I’m sure you do too. they know they cant just come in and charge you $60 a year, and not have some kind of excuse for it. its politics. I will say that it is nice they give you free games here and there. they could have gotten away without doing that.

fupidstucker

First off, its $50 a year. Second, they began charging because it allows more money to be spent on security measures to protect the servers. Did you forget about the attack they had not long ago? Furthermore, post a link of a gaming pc under 600 that is better.

Unhappy

For real I wish I could go back in time and build a gaming / Media PC. …… I realized this when I tried to watch homeland from the ps4 browser…… Lame lame lame….. Big regrets. I realize that I’m part of the problem though for buying it. Microsoft and Sony with there idiotic online fee. Oh hi consumer do you mind if I take the internet connection your paying for and keep you from using it until you pay my troll toll. Greedy trolls!!!

Myherofails

This article is true on the surface but it leaves out a few major details – first is when the PS3 launched it was missing pretty much every ability you talk about in this article. It took Sony a few years to add these useful features in.

Second is Sony has already announced they are adding a vast majority of what you complain about to the Playstation 4. Their priority for the launch was to release a solid, strong gaming machine. Now that the launch is over, their concern is increasing stability and adding in features such as CD music, mp3 support, dlna playback, external storage etc.

James Donahue

It’s eventually going to bite Sony in the butt. I still have a PS3, but for Sony to not allow us to play MP3s, someone is going to hack it with time by some upset customer. And for them to keep music CDs of this machine is, I know people who switched off CDs for MP3s, but it still bazaar on the fact you can’t play CDs on this thing. Oh, You can’t purchase amazon MP3 files, you can’t run Pandora, You can’t run nothing. I feel the PS4 is going to die within a few years time.

fupidstucker

Someone will hack the system just to do it. Someone will always at least attempt to hack gaming consoles just to say they can and did.

Fweds

Sony have even removed CD playback !.

MS have confirmed DLNA will be there as is CD play.

fupidstucker

People still do CDs? If people take time to remember, PS3 didn’t have DLNA at launch either. Unlike Microsoft, Sony’s main focus for Sony is gaming, not media sharing. Just as with the PS3, DLNA features will be added in with a software update.

Fweds

Yes a lot of people still do CDs, LOL at “Sony’s main game is gaming” I think you will find it is more like “Sony’s main aim is music subscriptions” they have totally locked any way of playing your audio only music subscriptions.

In case you haven’t noticed there is plenty of media options on the PS4 as long as you “Pay” for a subscription that is…
Main aim is gaming, Ha that’s funny.

fupidstucker

Take a second to think as to why the music service came ready on the PS4. If you are remotely intelligent you should be able to figure it out. Since I assume this is not the case, I will point it out to you. People who use that service pay for it. I will elaborate further to squash any possible rebuttals that will be put down. Would you buy the XBOX One if they said that Live wouldn’t be added in from day one? No, if you are paying for a service, you want it to be usable the day you upgrade. That is why Sony’s music service is running from the start. Any questions?

Fweds

I have just looked at your post history, all you do is talk up the PS4 and never mention or accept any of it’s bad point’s whilst at the same time talk down the Xbox One and never mention any of it’s good points.
Conclusion,
Fanboy….

Fweds

You don’t really belive that do you ?.

And the focus on gaming bit, funny how you can get all the music and movie you want if you PAY for a subscription though isn’t it.

Gto

No shit sherlock.

Scott

Seems like a nerd that just wants a media console other than a game console. I mean seriously. I had the Xbox xbox360 ps ps1 ps2 ps3 and I have the ps4. And I NEVER used the USB dive on it. Nor care about external storage.. Why would you want external store on a new console with 500 gb of space so fast??? This isn’t a fast food restaurant purchase … Your not gonna always get it your way

Devlant

Turns out that the Xbox One has the exact same problem with media playback (you can’t use it to play videos that you have on a USB flash drive or an external hard drive). Until Microsoft and/or Sony decides to fix that issue (as well as many others), I don’t plan to replace my 360. No point in paying $400-500 on a console that doesn’t even have all of the features its predecessor did.

ciph3ro

Agreed. If I even get one anymore.. I bought a PS3 1-2 years after it was released. lol. Even then both consoles had problems. PS3 seemed to have much nicer looking exclusives and the BluRay drive, which was awesome and well used by me :)

Now both consoles are so close and turns out they have the same issues at launch too? I think the smart thing really is to just not buy it yet.

Daryl Victoriano

So whats the problem? They said they’d patch that stuff in later. When the PS3 launched it was bare bones as well

Drew Buckner

They are going to add ALL of these features in an OTA update. The PS4 is an upgrade in equipment, not a downgrade in user functionality. They were rushed for the release so they did the important stuff and ship a raw gaming machine, things like drivers to support for external storage, local media, and network media streams from LAN are things that can be added later by software.

fupidstucker

Finally! Some common sense and reason. Don’t go off what you read from this half ass poorly wrote article, look at the PS3. Sony has never failed to improve on their consoles. Gaming is and always will be the main focus (unlike Microsoft).

Drew Buckner

They are going to add ALL of these features in an OTA update. The PS4 is an upgrade in equipment, not a downgrade in user functionality. They were rushed for the release so they did the important stuff and ship a raw gaming machine, things like drivers to support for external storage, local media, and network media streams from LAN are things that can be added later by software.

nicholaskarlburg

id like to know who pays you so i can tell them to save their money, cause you are a special kind if fucking stupid.

nicholaskarlburg

id like to know who pays you so i can tell them to save their money, cause you are a special kind if fucking stupid.

Gto

“thanks, no one’s ever said that to me. Thanks, prick”

Mitchell Groenewegen

Always knew xbox was the better option. The sheeple just listened to what they wanted to hear, just as sony wanted. They only dropped the console on us because they knew xbox had to be coming out with theirs soon. Microsoft got attacked hard for their forward thinking, hopefully they will bring back what they promised after sony tried to destroy the future of entertainment.

fupidstucker

Such moronic words. Sony never will or attempt to “destroy” the future of entertainment. They are focused on gaming at this point. System updates will most likely allow network streaming in the near future. At this point their main objective is taking care of minor issues on the gaming side (if any). I fail to see why people bitch about features that don’t have anything to do with gaming. If having 3 out of 8 gb of memory dedicated to media streaming then yes the XBOX One is ideal for you. Since I buy a gaming machine that is dedicated more to gaming, PS4 is clearly the best for me. With that said it’s still a matter of ones own opinion. Advice to all, don’t just bitch about something, know the topic before hand in order to have a knowledgeable opinion. Debates are best held with those who know what they are talking about.

Mitchell Groenewegen

Nothing wrong with brand loyalty. Unlike you, however, i researched everything I could about both consoles before reaching any conclusions. Sony took the pure gaming thing way too seriously and didn’t allow for any of the extras many gamers have become accustomed to. Every opinion is sure to be met with some flak and if you truly like the ps4, then congratulations. However, not a soul can deny that sony came out in attack the other company mode, contradicting everything Microsoft said that consumers were confused about, whereas Microsoft chose to present what they felt was a next step for the gaming community including playstation fans like yourself. Also I am sorry if presenting a simple opinion seems like bitching, and I understand why you got angry. Sometimes the truth is too painful to accept when you were wrong.

fupidstucker

What exactly am I wrong about? The only reason I get enraged is because people bitch about a gaming console not being able to stream media. It’s a fucking gaming console. That’s why I buy it, to play games. I obviously researched both as well since I felt that the PS4 better suites what I want. I don’t despise the XBOX1, I just want a gaming console that is more focused on playing games. Hence they don’t dedicate 1/3 of their RAM to media services. Yeah Sony used the bad rep that Microsoft was getting for their ideas on used game restrictions and what not but can you blame them? They are a company trying to make money, every company uses the same tactic. If you honestly believe that Microsoft wouldn’t have done the same then you are sadly mistaken.

Mitchell Groenewegen

Actually no I am not. Microsoft never attacked sony for any of their mistakes. The only thing they said about the other console was to congratulate them on a successful launch. You seem to forget that Japanese businessmen are super aggressive in nature. Not saying that aggression is limited to one culture, but the current CEO of Microsoft is so passive about the console war he doesn’t even want to acknowledge that it’s happening. And you make it sound like the xbox1 plays games at half the speed with the way you talk. Admittedly there is a slightly longer load time, but xbox has always been the premier platform for community gaming. You have chosen a good name, you have been blinded into thinking options in the merchandise you buy is a bad thing. Nothing wrong with a gaming console, but I would rather have 1 entertainment unit to control and do everything rather than needing more stuff to do the same amount.

ciph3ro

PS3 was so much better for exclusives and the BluRay drive. That was my reason for getting one. I have zero console brand loyalty.

Mitchell Groenewegen

One good game at the end of the console’s life. Mind you, the only exclusives I cared about for 360 was the halo series. I only have brand loyalty because I have been paying microsoft this long, I want to use what my money helped to make

ChiefChill

If you want to stream tv shows on ps4, they work on the bestreams link!! I just haven’t found a lot of shows that are uploaded to this site! I found the streams through primewire

mark

I’m sorry but the Sony people are smarter then Microsoft the reason why they made it where things could not be done with a USB memory stick is so they won’t get hacked because there worth hacking unlike Microsoft and why are you being so cheap just buy the movie online dang plus if your talking about ps4 and there limitation with movie streaming that’s because people get Sony for gaming and people who want to watch movies get Xbox one even my friend told me that’s the only reason why he bought it

ciph3ro

Out of 10 of us that planned to buy it, only 2 bought it because we use the PS3 heavily as a media center. The PS3 is pretty bad at streaming video off of a NAS for example. There is so much stuttering and the codecs and formats supported are just the common ones, but no MKV.

I was really looking forward to the PS4 being much better in that respect. Looks like I’m not going to buy it. I am saving a bit more and I will build a budget $600 PC. I already have a $5K gaming PC, but might as well have a real PC if the PS4 can’t handle it. There are videos on YouTube that show you how you can make a gaming PC for $600 and it can play most things., plus I bought a Logitech KB400 keyboard with a touchpad. (bought like 7 lol) and it is perfect for media playing.

So 80% of my friends with consoles didn’t use their console for games. We barely play on it. We mostly used it for media consumption. Netflix, Youtube and streaming on LAN or USB storage. Sony lost those customers. I don’t want to have to get the Xbox for streaming since I was used to PS. Exclusives will probably look the same now though so I guess it doesn’t matter. I switched to PC gaming entirely and brought my friends. BF4 for example looks so freaking good. Will wait for Xbox first, maybe it’ll be cool but I don’t trust Microsoft after what they tried to pull.

ciph3ro

I really wish that Xbox Network, PSN and PC gaming were able to play on the same servers. The network code for most multiplayer games obviously uses the same format of data and should be basically the same functionality even if written in different programming languages. (same function arguments and same data format and encryption if present. Layers of abstraction would help it behave/work the same way)

Yes, PC players are snappier on average and would have a bit more advantage but consoles have auto-aim. Not sure if it’s enough to level the playing field, but would still be so freaking cool.

Obviously this is a gaming crowd… Do you guys think it will eventually happen for something like 1st person shooters?

Chunterosa

yea… bf4 needs to be played next gen. getting SOOOOOOO FRUSTRATING having such small player counts. 24 for conquest and 20 for deathmatch. i swear, at least 30% of my time spent in the game has been just running around trying to find where the fight is happening.[primarily team deathmatch player]

Esmeralda

that dude from tampa probably supported trayvon being shot they should blow up florida racist rednecks over there they dont do anything but give america a bad name

Brian

Your an idiot! Go watch some more talking heads on TV, so they can tell you what to think! Brain washed sheepeople..
Trayvon was shot in self defense! Because he assaulted someone.. Period. End of story! Look at the facts. The whole police department, a special prosecutor, and 12 bi-racial jury’s of peers and are all racist huh?!
Race has NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT CASE! Idiot!

Gto

And you aren’t you supposed to be sucking of “not a pc gamers” vienna sausage about now?

Gto

Yeah the trayvon martin thing was bad

Gto

But still you dont have to be anal to the people in florida, (no offense, about the anal part, but then again i dont really know you.

http://xvideos.com/ shane diesel

fuck a ps4.. and fuck the xbox one … waste of money … you should only be worried about video games if your 13 years old and younger… or just stick with your ps3 or 360 playing 2k if you a real nigga

Gto

Live is better, and the xbox sucks big, hairy, wrinkly balls.

http://www.xvideos.com/?k=shane+diesel shane diesel

Lmao

Peter Rhodes

These will be the last of consoles, the future is domestic fibre hubs or high speed WiFi all we will need is a pipe to the internet for gaming and you will be able to use any form of controller you want to play them. This will also happen much sooner than you think or want to believe.

Shawn

Still better than Xbox

Not A PC Gamer

Always better than Xbox.

Kyle Lyons

Does it play games…. yes
Does it have basic TV applications… yes
Does it have a music service … yes
Does it play game….. yes
can it connect me to friends with a solid unified network … yes

If you answered yes to the above then i’m happy

Brian

So what? It doesn’t want to play your vacation pics and vids!? Big freaking deal. You don’t need a ps4 for that! There are a million ways to connect this type of media to your TV and over the lifetime of the ps4 there will be another million. Anyone with a smart TV can do all of this! No local and LAN connection? Who cares? All real gamers (99.9%) are going to play online. This review is stupid, useless and was wrote by someone who doesn’t even play PS4 games.

Not A PC Gamer

This is a big deal Brian.. because of the pure simple fact that these are features the PS3 had. You mean to tell me a successor console should be removing features like the PS4? That horrible X1 console is even far worse because they removed voice messaging, implemented some fucked up version of party chat, friend requests, and didn’t bother including a battery indicator for the controller or even harddrive management?

Don’t get me wrong I know we are talking about the PS4 here but I’m saying.. we have every right to bitch. These companies need to know what the staples of their consoles are to fans.. and to not include them in their console successor is just bound to disappoint and piss off bro.

Brian

Useless features that are no longer needed on a gaming console? Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying! I don’t need to buy a gaming console to look at pics, vids on my TV or play stupid local/LAN connection. I want to play games online! Like everyone does! Voice messaging and party chat really!? wtf?

Not A PC Gamer

You just failed to see the entire point. If a console who’s successor doesn’t include what the previous console has that’s not progression. And this is exactly my point.

Yes there is no voice messaging on X1 and party chat doesn’t work the way it did before. Both of these features on the X1 are essential to have.

Brian

Ohh and my comments make sense maybe you should read them. Or have someone else explain them to you.

Brian

Ohh and my comments make sense maybe you should read them. Or have someone else explain them to you.

Brian

Keep changing the subject too.. It’s probably hard for you to concentrate or objectively think about what I was talking about.
Maybe you should just keep getting angry, resort to your immaturity, childishness and stupidity? Like name calling, homophobia, and threats!
Again go back to arguing with kids. Your insecurity is showing again…. !

Brian

Keep changing the subject too.. It’s probably hard for you to concentrate or objectively think about what I was talking about.
Maybe you should just keep getting angry, resort to your immaturity, childishness and stupidity? Like name calling, homophobia, and threats!
Again go back to arguing with kids. Your insecurity is showing again…. !

Brian

what is saying mountains is your immaturity

Brian

what is saying mountains is your immaturity

Not A PC Gamer

No your entire Mentality and generation is what doesn’t makes sense. All you’ve done is spewed nonsense excuses for Sony. Typical puppet… just like a fool who still supports Xbox, you are right up there I’m afraid. Now run along Timmy… know your place! :)

Brian

Again ask someone else to explain them too you.. Your lost!

Not A PC Gamer

I love how you keep repeating the same damn thing. I heard your pathetic excuses for Sony once and that’s all I need to determine that you are beyond help kid.

Brian

Sadly I have been repeating myself over, over and over talking to you. It’s because your a special person.
It’s not like you read or comprehend anything.

Not A PC Gamer

If shouldn’t have taken you this long to type that, and don’t go giving me shit about you collecting your thoughts either kid.

I’ll end this right now.. I’m done with you lol.. at least until I see you say another stupid thing related to progress.. LMAO.

Not A PC Gamer

If shouldn’t have taken you this long to type that, and don’t go giving me shit about you collecting your thoughts either kid.

I’ll end this right now.. I’m done with you lol.. at least until I see you say another stupid thing related to progress.. LMAO.

Brian

Really please no rush.. I’d much rather have an educated conversation than the grade school dapple you keep post over and over..
Try and read my original comments and understand what i’m talk about.

Not A PC Gamer

That took 2 minutes for you to type.. Try again..

Brian

And you are now resorting to this? This is what you have to say. You keep getting farther and farther off topic..
Probably don’t want to talk about the ps4 anymore huh?

Not A PC Gamer

With you? No never again lol!

Not A PC Gamer

With you? No never again lol!

Brian

Yeah I won’t think so.. You should really go back to arguing with children.

Brian

Yeah I won’t think so.. You should really go back to arguing with children.

Not A PC Gamer

I am arguing with children.. Children who lack common sense..

Brian

You do realizes you responded to MY post.

Then in the course of me attempting to explaining technologies changing the market to you, you go farther and father off topic with your immature ranting.

And now you don’t even know what your talking about.

But somehow you just keep on ranting huh? Really what does that say about you? You a very insecure person.. Your going to be 40 soon you need to grow up and start acting like an adult!

Why do you even post here just to yell and attack kids?

Not A PC Gamer

I already read your first 3 comments again and it’s the same drivel as before.

Brian

Good for you!!
It’s probably easier for you to talk in short sentences huh?

Brian

Good for you!!
It’s probably easier for you to talk in short sentences huh?

Not A PC Gamer

Actually if my memory serves me correctly, you have yet to match the size of my posts while you continue to bring nothing new to the table with your 2 to 3 sentence replies..

Don’t believe me? Try scrolling up pal.. There is your evidence.

Brian

who cares? What because you rant off topic, immature, childish, personal attacks?
Really think about what that says about you?

Again your an insecure, trashy, and very immature 37yr old.
You should really go back to talking to 12yr olds. That probably makes really makes you feel like your powerful huh? Ranting and attacking little kids huh?
Keep up the good work trolling here..

Not A PC Gamer

I think this can sum up my comment to you.. You should listen to it and actually learn something!

Is that how you learn? Youtube videos, you should try reading a book sometime.

Not A PC Gamer

Jesus H. Fucking Christ it’s a fucking song you moron.. especially from you to me if anything. And books are over rated.. I’ve had enough of them. Way to go to show you didn’t even click on the link you cross dressing cum guzzling pimple popping prostitute.

Yes, you’ve been bested alright by someone with tons of common sense unlike yourself.

Not A PC Gamer

It would be easier if I could kick your head in and beat some sense into you but that’s not going to happen is it?

Brian

Yeah, much easier for you then thinking objectively, reading, spelling, or having an educated conversation..!
Go back to yelling at kids son..

Brian

Haha… It’s funny how unset your getting!!

Not A PC Gamer

This comment right here is why Internet users are so out of touch with how another person is feeling.. Go get a girlfriend and ask her about your feelings.. As I’m typing this I also see you are replying to me again…. PUPPET. Face facts, I own your mind now and have you prancing around here replying back and forth to everything I said.

You’re still typing.. and by the looks of it, It looks like you type around what? 10 words a minute? Guess I’ll see as soon as your done typing lol.

Brian

I maked two comments while you typed that.. so yeah..

Not A PC Gamer

No, you didn’t :)

Not A PC Gamer

No, you didn’t :)

Brian

Again you still don’t know what i’m talking about so you just keep getting angry.

I guess you know you’ve been outdebated and have to resort to name call like the little childish man you are huh?

Not A PC Gamer

Your ignorance and BROKEN LOGIC is still showing. Seriously if every moron thought like you we wouldn’t get anywhere when it comes to progression.

Little man? I’m 6 1 230 pounds and would beat you down to a bloody pulp if you ever tried running your broken logic to me in the streets. That’s the gist of it bitch.

Now remember.. YOU’RE MY PUPPET.

Brian

Still replying to MY POST with your pathetic, little insults huh? You sound like an 8th grader!

I guess you know you’ve been outdebated and are still clinging to name call like the childish little man you are huh?

It’s really humorous how mad you get when you get confused..

Your insecurity is still showing!

Brian

Come back when you have something intelligent you say!

Brian

Ohh and childish little man is referring to your personality!
You have to finish reading the post to understand the context it was written in?

Understand that ? No, of course you don’t. Understanding or comprehending things is your weakness!

You only know how to argue like a child! Isn’t that right?

Face it your just angry because you don’t understand what i’m talking about! CHILDISH LITTLE MAN!

Brian

Useless features that are no longer needed on a gaming console? Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying! Voice messaging, party chat?? wft! When the ps3 came out these features were very useful. Now we don’t need them. There are plenty of other ways to get media on your tv!
I buy a gaming console to play games online like everyone does! I don’t care about the useless extra garbage.

Not A PC Gamer

What’s garbage to you is IMPORTANT TO ME PAL. If you don’t like the features, don’t use them. But dare you say it’s ok to take those features away from me. My PS3 was my go to multimedia device…. I don’t like computers. I found that having my entire MP3 collection on the PS3 as well as all my other media copied from my pc to be a godsend. There is no excuse for any company Microsoft or Sony to be going forward in reverse by removing features..

Brian

Okay.. This is like being mad because your office doesn’t have a fax machine anymore and your new car doesn’t have a CD player either!
Things change! The ps4 is going to be around for some time. Sony is looking into the future not the past! For every one person that is still using a gaming console as a media hub, there are 100 people that aren’t or won’t be in the near future. They are prioritizing the needs of many against the needs of a few.
PS I’m not your PAL.. Buddy!

Not A PC Gamer

No it’s nothing like that at all, and to be honest, you absolutely suck when it comes to analogies. Things change PAL.. and they sure has hell shouldn’t change for the worse.

More people use their console as a media hub then you know man. I’d say the ratio is much higher than you think it is. Don’t go giving me this crap that I’m in the few here when everyone and their dog has spoken out about this crap all over the net.

It seems to me like you’re defending this fucking garbage? If there is one thing I can’t stand it’s people making excuses for these companies.. It’s people like yourself and people who are still supporting the Xbox brand that are bad for consumers.

Prioritizing my left nut.. You don’t remove features in your console’s successor period. I don’t care how you want to try to spin this lax attitude of yours but you don’t. Period.

How does it make you feel that the Biscuit brains over at MS did far worse with the X1?

Brian

Having a conversation with you is like talking to a tree…

You really don’t get the idea that in the very near future other technologies are going to take over these simple features? Because Sony does! Sony is looking to the future and not the past.
They are doing what they do best making a gaming console… Not making a media hub. Other companies will make better products for this market very soon.

Your personal comments only prove your insecure personality and lack there of an argument.

Not A PC Gamer

No you aint talking to a tree.. I told you before that Gaming should be the priority first and foremost. I’ll agree with you there but that’s about it.

But who the fuck are you to tell me I have an insecure personally? If anything I’m quite confident and arrogant to say the least. Just want to know who died and made you a Psychologist?

In the very near future, we won’t have cable and satellite services because everything will be streamed.. Is that necessarily a good thing though.. It has it’s cons too pal. If anything your logic as a whole lacks intelligence and fundamentally is lacking in any argument. In fact the only thing you said this entire time that makes a bit of fucking sense is the fact that Yes.. Gaming features should take priority and I agree with you on that. Meanwhile every pathetic excuse you can come up with to support your willingness to accept Mediocrity falls flat as you don’t have an argument to defend a company removing features is a good thing.

If you can’t accept the fact that there is NO EXCUSE for them removing the ability to play CD’s, MP3 and store our music, videos, and pictures on our console than you are as brain dead as the loyal Microsoft puppets. The problem here is that I see your point when it comes to priorities but you fail to see mine and instead to choose accept medicrity up and down the board. You strike me as a brain dead conformist willing to accept anything. Again, just because YOU DON’T WANT THESE FEATURES.. doesn’t mean I should have them taken away. Unless of course you’re a selfish person and doesn’t give two flying fucks about others..

Lack of an argument? I think anyone reading our conversation will be siding with the adult here.. and thats me.

Brian

You still don’t understand what I’m saying. I’m really getting bored of repeating myself. Maybe you should read my comments very slowly!
People might have used the ps3 as a media hub, which was awesome when it came out. But the ps4 is being created in a different time when other technologies have filled that need. And this trend will continue in the future. This is not just a console for now. It’s a console built to be relevant 3,4,5 years from now. Understand?
This has nothing to do with me or you. Your personal attacks and childish passive aggressive behavior tells me your an insecure person. You don’t know me, so don’t go there..

Not A PC Gamer

No son, maybe you should read my comments very slowly. I fully understand what you are saying but yet you are still accepting of it just because YOU DON’T USE THE FEATURES.

As far as I’m concerned you started with a personal attack when you said I had an insecure personality in which case I will tell you fuck you just as I would if you were standing here right next to me.

In the end you still don’t get it.. Moving into the future does not mean losing features. You keep talking about this 4-5 year future where I’ll have to spend more money on another gadget to do the same goddamn thing! You remind me of one of these idiot Mellennial babies who have been weened on the internet since they were 5 and think that technology improving is always a good thing.. It isn’t.

Let me ask you something, how do you feel about digital distribution? It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if you were one of these idiots who are welcoming it and buying all your titles digitally instead of owning the physical format which you actually own.

Your moot point that Sony is designing a console for the next 3 to 5 years by removing the ability to stream content from my pc and store media to it makes about as much sense as having screen doors on a submarine. You’re logic is broken and still doesn’t hold water. I’m still waiting for a logical explanation of how anything you said makes any kind of sense.

Maybe if whatever technology you are talking about existed now and it was convienent for me to use that instead of having everything on My PS3, I’d give you the benefit of the doubt.. but because you are this out of touch with anything that YOU could give two flying fucks about makes you an ignorant monkey. You can’t give me one logical reason why these features shouldn’t be on the PS4 just as you couldn’t give me one logical reason why There is no battery indicator and no HDD management on the Xbox One.

You actually want to refute that with me? Haha, good luck trying pal.. :)

Brian

You must have a problem with reading comprehension or a learning disability? Maybe both.
Why do you respond to my comments if you don’t understand them or read them.
And you calling me PAL? What was that?

Not A PC Gamer

I so love how you message board nerds love to attempt to turn this around when it’s they who are at fault for being imbeciles in the first place.

Again, Explain to me how not having these features is preparing the PS4 for the future than if they did include them. Your logic makes no sense whatsoever and any adult who observed our whole conversation here would know you aren’t making a bit of sense with your failed and broken logic.

So tell me genius, how is removing features a good thing? 6 posts later and you still can’t answer the most simple of questions. To make matters worse you making excuses for these companies and that doesn’t sit well with me. How in blue fucking hell does removing features that are a mainstay to the service make Sony any better in the future? You can’t and you haven’t yet either..

I called you pal because it annoys you.. Kinda like how Sarcasm on the internet annoys me. It wasn’t meant to be personal though.

Brian

It’s not my fault you don’t understand all my previous comments. Ask someone else to explain it to you.

Not A PC Gamer

Now you are just beating around the bush in an attempt to change the subject completely.. You remember saying this?

“But the ps4 is being created in a different time when other technologies have filled that need”

WHAT OTHER FUCKING TECHNOLOGIES HAVE FILLED THAT NEED. I can’t think of one that is practical for me.. Lets see.. I can view pictures, video, and music on some devices like Tv’s Blu Ray players and even my router. The problem is that none of the devices I own do this.. Only the PS3 and the x360 that’s it.

You just simply need to explain yourself and quit putting others down with your exagurated and contrived silly notions about me.

So again, what other technologies have filled that need eh? I’ll tell you one thing.. I’m not a gadget geek, I don’t even buy a new cell phone every year and buy a new PC every 7 to 10 years. The only thing I really keep up with are game consoles and that’s it.

I’ll tell you one thing.. If your stupid comment about other technologies filling that void means anything along the lines of me having to fork over more cash to do the same goddamn thing on a different device or be forced to use a device that isn’t as user friendly… I can tell you right now that you don’t have a argument.

Anyhow enough of this shit, I’m off to bed. You sir, are just blinded by the fact that you don’t care about these features and don’t use them. This literally explains everything in a nutshell with you.

Brian

Good for you! After hours of babbling you finally went back, read and understood half of what I said!
As for these mysterious new technologies you don’t know about. I’m talking about a few different things. Probably the main one a smart TV. Like the one my watching now that can play music, videos, pics or whatever you want just by connecting any hard drive , phone or computer to it. Not to mention you can do this wirelessly because these TV’s have wifi. You see it’s not that I don’t use these features, it’s that I don’t need my new gaming console to use them!
These will replace all new TV’s within a year.
Apple and google also have products out that can stream your media to your TV and they’re less than 100$ And more companies will come out with similar products soon. You should check into buying one. I hate having to buy new gadgets too. Maybe just keep your ps3 for media til you buy a new TV.
Also if your mainly using your gaming console as a media center then your not going to buy a 400$ ps4 and are just going to buy one of these much less expensive products.
Now can you start to understand why Sony would choose not to add these features to the ps4? A gaming console will not need them in the very near future and it probably just adds extra cost to the already expensive machine. Just give us a bad ass gaming experience!

Brian

For future reference don’t reply if you don’t understand a post and use some fucking manners when talking to strangers!
I hope this helped.. Have a good night.

Not A PC Gamer

Don’t you ever tell me how to me as I give what I get from others. I think for the most part I was pretty polite when it comes to your ignorance of not seeing the big picture here. My jabs at your silly idealism isn’t meant to be personal anyhow. I don’t think you’re necessarily a bad person.. you’re just completely misguided for saying that the removal of features is a good thing..

Yeah maybe it would be a good thing if these features took horsepower away from gaming like the OS’s the X1 uses and Kinect.. Maybe then I’d say you had an argument.

Don’t think I’ll be on most of the day, but since you were kind enough to tell me have a good night, I wish you the best and hope you do the same. Either way the PS4 is going to shape up to be a fantastic console and I’m glad to be a part of that family after 8 years of imprisonment with Xbox Live. Yeah, I’m enjoying my new found freedom of Advertisements, Paywalls, and High prices.. not to mention the value of PSN+

Have a good night man..

Brian

None of what you said has any relevance to anything I’m talking about! Or makes sense for that matter.. Why do you even respond to my posts? To pick fights online with strangers?

Better yet why do I even waste my time here talking to you. Trying to explain anything to you is a lost cause.

Not A PC Gamer

Look just face facts, you fail to see what is wrong with your own logic. There is nothing you can say to justify the removal of features. The plain simple fact you could possibly say the PS4 if more future proofed without them tells me you don’t have a brain cell in your head.

Your logic is flawed and make no sense. The majority of adults would agree. I’m so sure of it I would bet my life on it.

Again you would only have a valid point if these media features were taking something away from the gaming aspect of the console which they aren’t. So apparently talking to you is a lost cause.

Brian

Your just an idiot and still don’t understand what I said.

Brian

HAHA!! Editing your previous comments?? Feeling a little insecure about them are you?

Not A PC Gamer

Kid leave a gamertag or PSN ID and I’ll be more than happy to school you six ways from sunday on how you are WRONG on every level. I honestly don’t think you have the verbal dexterity to keep up with me.

Calling you out to a debate over live or PSN sound insecure to you? I don’t think so PAL.

In the end you have no retort with your lame excuse that this is somehow future proofing anything and anyone with any amount of common sense reading any of this will side with me because your broken logic is complete and utter nonsense.

I guess you forgot that every version of the Playstation was a trojan horse for new media formats didn’t you? Haha, I guess so.

Brian

Verbal dexterity to keep up with you? That seriously just made me laugh!! You can’t even understand simple comments. Or spell even after you go back and edit.
The state of this country’s education system is really scary..

Not A PC Gamer

Someone telling me I can’t understand simple comments when the said individual can’t even understand simple concepts.. This goes beyond the pot and the kettle moron!

With this I’m done with you here unless of course you pick your balls up from the purse your mother carries them around in all day.

The state of this country’s education system… Indeed!^^^^

Brian

Why don’t you go again back and edit some more of your previous post and correct some of you bad English?

Not A PC Gamer

No you’re the idiot with broken logic.. and that’s exactly what your logic is.. broken and backward. Only a moron would say the removal of features is somehow future proofing the console. I’m sure as fuck not getting a new HDTV till the one I have dies, and I’m not buying any other devices to supplement Sony’s apparent lack of vision by removing media functionality.

I think it’s you who has the learning the disability here as you possess ZERO COMMON SENSE. You’re only argument is that other devices provide the features? Well FUCK YOU, those features are going to be patched in down the line, you wait and see.

Not A PC Gamer

Don’t bother with your typing either.. You wont be getting another response from me again unless it’s over the mic… Period.

As I told you and countless other forum regulars.. debating on a fucking forum is not the same as debating through voice.

Brian

Yeah because your wrong? Or because you have trouble reading and comprehending things?

Also it’s a learning disability not a ” learning the disability” and “Don’t you ever tell me how to me as I give what I get from others” doesn’t make any sense!

Go read a book or something it’s really sad how dumb you are.

Not A PC Gamer

That’s what I thought you scared little bitch. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were dropped on the head by that mother of yours which leads me to my next question.. Were you conceived out of your mother’s anus or cunt? Because I would guess the former seeing as how your deluded thinking and made you blind as a bat. I don’t know if I should call you Brian or Timmy Dipshit anymore but either way you’re nothing but a coward who can’t defend his own views.

In the end.. I win by default as usuall seeing 99% of the time I call one of you internet nerds out to debate on Live, PSN, or skype you run away with your head in between your legs.. You see son, this is why the internet isn’t good for you little tykes. It has turned your entire Mellennial Baby 2st Century Digital Boy Generation into a lame brood of naive tech savy wannabes.

Then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were raised by a single mother. They usually have issues when it comes to insecurity and lack of vision.

Brian

Wow!!! Good for you. It took you two days and probably a lot of googling…
Why don’t you just go and get your movies at blockbuster and buy some CDs at camelot music were the rest of the old people scare of change shop!

Not A PC Gamer

You idiot’s that think change is always good are going to be the downfall of this civilization kiddo. I suggest you GOOGLE THE TERM “SINGULARITY” and tell me that couldn’t happen?

I’m 37 years old son, and you Mellennial babies who were born after 87 don’t know jack shit about life because you are all so dumbed down with what’s going on in technology and cyberspace.

You children don’t have a fucking clue.. and remember.. a day older.. a day wiser! :)

Brian

37 years old and you still can’t read or write? Ouch that must such huh?

Not A PC Gamer

Haha, what sucks is you trying to hold onto anything you can to make you believe in that world of RAINBOWS AND BUTTERFLIES you live in kid. It screams of desperation that you resort to pointing out bullshit about me because you have NOTHING to defend your pathetic statement if your life depended on it. Again, you lack reasoning up and down the board.

I suggest you learn some common sense before making such stupid statements with your betters.

Brian

Haha… You I’m right that’s why you keep getting so angry!! Your so pathetic

Not A PC Gamer

I’m not angry at all.. But I would personally beat this sense into your head and that’s on the real. Everything on the internet is just fun and games for me pal. Too bad you are too stupid to see that. As I said, your moral upbringing and lack of a father figure are more the likely the causes.

Not A PC Gamer

Dealing with a pimply faced high school nerd.. I’m certain of this now.

Brian

I have kids your age.. You can’t even get that right

Not A PC Gamer

Sorry but somehow I don’t think there is an adult on this planet that is as backwards and completely dumbfounded as you. And again, no adult would agree pulling features away are a good thing. This my stupid little friend is the difference between being and adult and being a scrub teenager weened on the internet and video games instead of his parents.

Brian

One of us here has been to college and then there is you!

Not A PC Gamer

LOL college is for getting laid son.. Go to the library if you want to learn. I got my BA and that was enough for me!

Brian

If it wasn’t for grade school insults you would have nothing to say at all!

Not A PC Gamer

No this is deeper than that, this is your entire generation I’m talking about here. I mean I always knew the younger generation of gamers are jaded spoiled little brats who mindlessly accept mediocrity from these companies.

My point is I already have you beat because you have said nothing to counter my arguments. My argument being that These Media features did not have to be removed.

In the end, this would have turned into something physical because in the real world.. you run your mouth to me with even the slightest hint of disrespect or sarcasm, I’d break your ribs and make you suck that uncircumsized piece of skin in between your legs you call a cock.

Since that isn’t going to happen, because you don’t even have the balls to discuss this on a more personal medium I’ll setting for pointing out how your backwards thinking is detrimental to the progression of things. I’ve met alot of morons on the internet in the 13 years I’ve had it but you are on the top of the list when it comes to poor deluded souls who are so out of touch with reality they make lamebrain statements such as your very first post here.

This is the last time I’m replying to a dumb shit like yourself. You wan’t a response from me? Take your balls out and leave your PSN or XBL id..

I’m done here… I feel as if I’m talking to George W. Bush Junior here in the flesh! :)

Brian

You don’t know anything about me! And all I know about you is you are 37yr old who trolls here and resorts to immature little comments when you don’t know what to say! Really sad! I actually feel bad for how lonely, angry and worthless you feel inside..

Brian

Still not angry because your wrong right?

Brian

Besides your I one who instantly resorts to insults like a “high schooler”

Not A PC Gamer

Well one thing is for sure, I wouldn’t want you in PR.. make sure idiots like yourself stay away from that. Then again, they would love your twisted reasoning and logic over at Microsoft.. I think you should apply there! :)

Not A PC Gamer

Googling what shithead? You’re just another retarded 21st Century Digital Boy who doesn’t know his ass from his elbow. I don’t need to google anything. You are just too deaf, dumb, blind and stupid to even make a case for yourself.

Brian

Hmmm lets see… Maybe the stuff you editing on your posts? Or the mysterious technologies that you don’t understand?

Brian

Failed not fail… It’s past tense! dumbass.. hahahahaha..
It takes you three times and you still can’t spell!! FUCKING HILARIOUS!

Brian

None of what you said has any relevance to anything I’m talking about! Or makes sense for that matter.. Why do you even respond to my posts? To pick fights online with strangers?

Better yet why do I even waste my time here talking to you. Trying to explain anything to you is a lost cause.

Not A PC Gamer

No son, I always understood what you said!

Smart TV? I just bought a tv back in 2009 and sure as hell am not buying a new TV to make up for Sony’s lack of features… POINT? – NULL AND VOID

Apple and Google make a product that can stream every media file on my PC? I know you aren’t talking about that chromecast.. that thing is a replacement for the Roku box.. and will not stream everything on my PC.. POINT? – NULL AND VOID.

NO I DO UNDERSTAND WHY SONY DID THIS AND IT’S STILL A VERY BAD MOVE ON THEIR PART.. PERIOD.

Again, a console should be a bad ass gaming experience but it should also not be removing features that it once had under any circumstances. There is no reason why you or anyone should be forgiving of this. As I said, it makes you look like a numbskull conformist who blindly accepts medicrity lying down. Sorry pal, but I fight for change when it comes to the products and services I use and If I don’t like something or something rubs me the wrong way, I’m not going to buy their product.

Look at the X1 for instance shall we. Even if I was a biscuit brain brand loyal and brain dead MS supporter, I wouldn’t have bought the X1 for a few reasons that support my claim about Microsoft even more when it comes to how they don’t listen to consumer feedback, make needless system wide changes to the dashboard and functionality that only someone with Dyslexia would dream of. Then you have the lack of HDD management, no battery indicator, and a broken achievement and party system. This just further supports my distrust of Microsoft as a whole.

While Not having media playing doesn’t sway my decision of buying a PS4 at all, the thing you have to remember is that every one of Sony’s consoles ushered in a new Media:

PS1- CD’s
PS2 – DVD’s
PS3 – BluRay

In the end, these new techologies you speak of aren’t an excuse to Sony stripping features that didn’t need to be taken out… Especially when it comes to how powerful the PS4 really is.

For you to say I don’t have an argument is like saying a woman who was rapped doesn’t have an argument for an abortion. All you do is look for excuses to accept these things combined with your general bias because you don’t use the features… has blinded you to such a degree you are unable to look at these things as cons…

Instead you look at these as pros when every rational human being on the planet wouldn’t? This is why you are a conformist and this is why you need to wake up.

Brian

Your missing my whole argument. You don’t need a gaming console to play media on your TV anymore and in 3-4 years these features will be even more useless.
Voice messaging, party chat, hardware management?! Who cares! People buy a gaming console for one reason… To play games! Give me a bad ass gaming experience and leave out the crap I don’t use/need!

Not A PC Gamer

As I said, most out of touch with reality comment EVER! You’d have to be a complete imbecile to believe removing features having anything to do with progression. This kid clearly doesn’t have a clue..

Brian

Sorry your unable to understand the changing times..

Brian

I didn’t hit a little to close to home with that one right? I hope your still not angry!

Not A PC Gamer

I love how much of a WALKING CONTRADICTION you really are! You speak about me editing my comments when you do the same? LOL Even after editing your comment you still couldn’t distinguish the difference between “You’re” and “Your”.

This alone is two reasons why your stupid opinion can’t be taken seriously and why you are the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. You know it and I know it as evidenced right here in your post.

I’d strongly suggest keeping your head fully buried in the sand and to never work in PR.. Although I do know for certain, you would fit in just fine with Microsoft. They love that backwards way of thinking.. it shows in all their products and services. :)

Now for the last time, I’m done here seeing as how you are unable to “Man Up” in the least bit. Good day moron.. better hope I don’t see you on PSN because you will be embarrassed.

Brian

Why would I think it’s funny you have to go back and edit your comments? Not just because you can’t spell but you have to delete and add whole paragraphs? Really ?
Because it shows how even you know your wrong. Just like the fact you have to resort to your childish behavior when you don’t know what to say.

Not A PC Gamer

I said everything I had to say above shit for brains.. and you still haven’t corrected your spelling errors poindexter! All of this further proves my point.

In the meantime you can continue making shit up because you know you’ve been bested by superior logic. You see son, Your (NOT YOU’RE) land of rainbows and butterflies is a dangerous place to live as it serves no purpose in the real world.

In the end you’ve been bested by reality and common sense by your elder and superior.. Now go sulk in the corner with the rest of the mellennial children! I think Timmy Dipshit is a good name for people like you. And I thought PC elitists needed a reality check! Haha! :)

PS.. You still haven’t changed “Your” to “You’re”! Just run away coward that’s all your kind does nowadays.

Brian

Yeah your superior 5th grade logic! You should just go back you arguing with kids!
Just face it.. You just still don’t understand the changing world around you. Hey but seriously pick me up a movie at blockbuster!

Brian

Ohh and nice job on commenting back up here to hide the chronological stupidity of you comments!

Not A PC Gamer

As I said, even your comments don’t make sense. As far as I’m concerned you can fuck right off since you don’t have a valid case to save your life. You have been bested so DEAL WITH IT like your friend Adam Orth says.

Biscuit Brain is in full fucking effect here ladies and gentlemen.. :)

Brian

Bested… lol. I guess that’s how you feel huh? After two days you still don’t understand anything I said. You can’t spell, read or comprehend anything.. that’s why you keep resorting to your pathetic, little, childish comments. If it wasn’t for that you won’t have anything to say?
Sorry I made you feel so angry and realize how dumb you are. Again you should go back to what your good at arguing with little kids of your mental age..

Brian

Bested… lol. I guess that’s how you feel huh? After two days you still don’t understand anything I said. You can’t spell, read or comprehend anything.. that’s why you keep resorting to your pathetic, little, childish comments. If it wasn’t for that you won’t have anything to say?
Sorry I made you feel so angry and realize how dumb you are. Again you should go back to what your good at arguing with little kids of your mental age..

Not A PC Gamer

Bested.. yeah.. pretty much sums up the reality I live in compared to your Rainbows and Butterflies lala land.

The fact that you are too scared to get on a the mic says mountains about you in spades kid. If all gamers were as stupid and as out of touch with things as you, we would still be in the 7th generation of consoles.

Seriously just shut the fuck up already and know when you’ve been bested child!

Not A PC Gamer

Bested.. yeah.. pretty much sums up the reality I live in compared to your Rainbows and Butterflies lala land.

The fact that you are too scared to get on a the mic says mountains about you in spades kid. If all gamers were as stupid and as out of touch with things as you, we would still be in the 7th generation of consoles.

Seriously just shut the fuck up already and know when you’ve been bested child!

Brian

Haha.. There you go again.. Getting all upset when the grown ups are talking about things you don’t understand.. This is really hilarious!!
Ask someone else to explain how technologies change the market for consumer products. Because I’ve been trying for two days and it’s just not getting through to you somehow.

Brian

Haha.. There you go again.. Getting all upset when the grown ups are talking about things you don’t understand.. This is really hilarious!!
Ask someone else to explain how technologies change the market for consumer products. Because I’ve been trying for two days and it’s just not getting through to you somehow.

Not A PC Gamer

There is nothing to get through to anyone child.. Your logic doesn’t hold water.. END OF STORY. Just deal with it or keep replying to me because you’re my bitch puppet.

Not A PC Gamer

There is nothing to get through to anyone child.. Your logic doesn’t hold water.. END OF STORY. Just deal with it or keep replying to me because you’re my bitch puppet.

Still confused and angry about your inability to comprehend what I said huh?

Not A PC Gamer

No I’m just confused about your ability to comprehend my ability to comprehend your initial post. You whole case was based on the fact that Technology exists to replace it… WHICH IS NOT PRACTICAL FOR ME AND MANY OTHERS.

Also I’m not Einstein Genius, I’m Oppenheimer bitch and you should know by now… “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds… including yours.”

And I’ve done a fine job at that considering I didn’t need a 20 megaton weapon either…

Not A PC Gamer

No right now I’m just having fun with an idiot who doesn’t have a clue. Some people never learn..

Gto

So, when did you two start giving handjobs?

Gto

Peepee face

Zack Wooten

I got my PS4 the other day and I”ve got to say, I’m not as excited now that I’ve got it as I was before hand. The graphics aren’t good enough to justify a new system. The controls are a gimmick… come on. I’m playing a video game. I don’t want to use a freaking touch pad. Puhlease

LifeIsFullOfRiskAndTragedy

Compare the first release Xbox 360 games to the ones that are released today. Rarely are release games top notch. The developer tools will mature. It will be a year or 3 before you start to see the top potential.

Zack Wooten

I know what you’re saying man, and I remember going through the same thing with The Bouncer as a release game on PS2 and other games like that lol and how much PS2 improved. Or even Uncharted 3’s helmet hair compared to what ND was able to do with realism in Last of Us. The thing that worries me though, is that while they were able to dress up things in Last of Us, it was still that when you really looked closely- dressed up. Judging by where the PS4’s at now, dressed up with look amazing on the surface, but when you really get into it I fear it’s not going to be quite where I wished it’d have been. Still will be great I’m sure, and a fantastic improvement… eh dang dude, your’e right and I’m gonna quit complaining and wait and see. It’ll be great I’m sure

Gto

He “wooten” be patient.

Zack Wooten

you’re right Gto, same as the other dude that posted a reply.. I guess I miss those days when I think about how amazing the PS2 was when it came out. Being able to play my PS games on it, along with the one I was able to buy at launch.. gah it was amazing. I just felt like I got so much out of it.. now IDK, time’s change I guess ya know.

Zack Wooten

And I am DEFINITELY not trying to troll or something but that’s sort of where part of me really started thinking about making the switch to xbox. I felt like I’d get a little more out of it but didn’t make the jump because I’m definitely more worried about games. I just sort of am sitting there now though with my PS4, Killzone, and BF4 (which I hate), and am still just playing my PS3 and only playing the PS4 out of feeling like at some point it’s going to hit me that it’s better.. IDK, at this point I might would rather have real internet explorer, skype, etc, that two games I’m not wild about, one of which I feel like is definitely improved over the PS3 version (and I think probably shouldn’t have even have been released for the PS3 considering the famerate drops and dingy looking graphics, poor draw distance), but still a downgrade from it’s predecessor, BF3. So I’m playing BF4 on PS4 because I feel like I need to go ahead and start making myself move on, and playing BF3 on PS3 because it’s more fun, wishing I could play it on my new shiny PS4 lol. Ok guys, sorry I complain alot, but yea. had to get it all out lol.

John Blue

Yeah, I would also love to have the USB ports capable of supporting my USB headset adaptor – not to mention having enough room around them to even FIT the damn thing in there. They really messed up there too. Who the heck wants their USB ports in the bottom of a hole?

i feel like an idiot for buying the thing tbh, i’ll have to keep the ps3 plugged in too which is ridiculous. the fucking browser doesn’t even have flash.

napple

“or if you live in a country that doesn’t have easy access to digital distribution and media streaming — i.e. anywhere outside the US and some parts of western Europe” Idiot!! Do you really think that everywhere outside the US is as backward in technology as Americans are in Intelligence! I agree with most of what you are saying and have been confronted by the same issues but please, show a little dignity when speaking for the rest of the world. One thing you could do when needing information about countries other than the US, is to speak to the meagre 5% of Americans that hold a passport and actually have a little knowledge outside of the drip fed box your all in. But at least your able to string a competent sentence together, which is more than can be said for the majority the US! just ask Canada!!

napple

Deleting comments that challenge you! is a poor show indeed!!

Todd Smith

WOW , I will start off by saying sorry for my grammar . OK , what the F is everyone fighting for ???? We are all video game players and should be acting like a community !!!

I’m a PC gamer ATM but have no clue why any PC gamer would bash on systems or question why somebody would use a system. I like to PC game because I love the community feel . You can hate on valve all you want but they really ushered in whats really great about PC gaming , true player made mods. I want to play games like Day Z . Games made by players with the same engine the developers used . Counter strike , Portal , Left for dead , Day Z and countless other games are all MOD’s and these would of never been created in the console world .

I love the feeling in PC gaming right now . Between mods and indie gaming I can say F you to EA and all those money grubbing pigs and buy games like Amnesia from small companies who I feel good supporting and select the big name titles . Plus as all PC gamer’s will say, steam is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone in the digital market field. All these facts with the added bonus I love to take things apart and play / tweak with them makes me a perfect PC gamer.

Stating all this I can see why somebody would want a console . It’s a all in one game box , no worries , no fuss , no system req. on games , no upgrades … just games . How can any person with any brain at all not see how somebody might want to make this choice . Even if you can’t play games like Day Z ATM .( Just my example of a current game many would like to see on console but won’t be for awhile.

People saying PC games have no pull are nuts too . I have 2 friends who had money saved for the ps4 who saw / played Day Z and saw steam prices during this winter sale , they bought PC’s .

Can’t we all be gaming friends ???

Puredark

Big who cares. I bought one because I like the controller, I don’t care about Kinect and all I want to do is play games on my games console. Did anyone really use their previous console as their whole home entertainment solution? Most people will already have a minimum of a set top box for TV and a laptop / PC with a HDMI cable to play local content / Netflix etc if they need to. I’d be surprised if a lot of people don’t have a WD TV / Roku or similar by now.

There’s no such thing as taking it too far, it’s marketed as a pure games machine and you have Netflix / Hulu as an added perk. Why would they mark it on the box that it doesn’t do certain things? PS4 Games Console – please note does not make toast. Who is going to the store thinking”Hmm I really want to play some MKVs and stream Netflix content, aha a games console should do it! $400 you say? Bargain”

Again, why would anything happen when you plugged in local storage? It isn’t supposed to acknowledge it except for the purpose of firmware updates if you so wish.

Bottom line: Research before splashing $400 on something. Buy a games console with the primary intention of playing games and realise if it does anything else it’s a bonus.

-mic drop-

Voodoo Gamer

Thanks for the great article! I jumped on the PS4 as I had a PS3. I could have easily stayed with my PS4. So back to PC gaming for me as I now have a yearly online payment to play online for PSN, which I didn’t have before with the PS3, less features, and no real benefit as I can’t play 3D movies through Netflix like with the PS3 nor play files from my home server. Lame. The ergonomics of the gaming console controllers are horrid.. The PC gaming partition is what I have done with SSD. It is like liquid. No load times. Will try it with the Steam box. Thanks again for the comments. Why are people always trying to prove a point in these comment sections? Cheers!

Prithvi Boinpally

DO NOT SCROLL DOWN!! TRY TO SAVE YOUR SANITY!! THE COMMENTS SECTION IS TOOOOOOOOOOOO DAMN LONG!!

Victor Alexander

Did you say 4 USB ports? As far as I know PS4 only has 2 USB ports which are only available at the front just like mine. And the USB port also works with some USB soundcards such as Asus Xonar U3 which works instantly without any configuration needed.

I guess when creating PS4, Sony didn’t mean to replace PS3 at all. Perhaps, they put away such multimedia features on purpose. So people who has PS3, will still make use of it when they got the PS4. Just like their motto of PS3 a while ago.. “Long Live Play”

It’s just my thoughts anyway, peace :)

Tyler

Why have you not taken into consideration a possible reason Sonyhas prevented external storage? GAMING. Just like they have said. As a gaming machine, allowing external storage can be very detrimental to online gaming. For example: For Xbox 360 and PS3, Diablo 3 could not be taken seriously. People were allowed to save hardcore characters, alter saved characters to make them invincible, etc. etc.
This ruins a number of aspects about online gaming. So with a new age of MMO’s coming to console, why allow such a risk? They say it is a ‘pure’ gaming machine so removing that feature actually boosts that statement. I don’t care to start a flame war with anyone, but why create an article when so little is understood about the subject?

Tyler

Why have you not taken into consideration a possible reason Sonyhas prevented external storage? GAMING. Just like they have said. As a gaming machine, allowing external storage can be very detrimental to online gaming. For example: For Xbox 360 and PS3, Diablo 3 could not be taken seriously. People were allowed to save hardcore characters, alter saved characters to make them invincible, etc. etc.
This ruins a number of aspects about online gaming. So with a new age of MMO’s coming to console, why allow such a risk? They say it is a ‘pure’ gaming machine so removing that feature actually boosts that statement. I don’t care to start a flame war with anyone, but why create an article when so little is understood about the subject?

Franklin Hughes III

Worst @$%&&* thing I ever bought. I should have smoked 400 bucks worth of crack instead

Anthony Tarantino

I had an Xbox One and it just blows PS4 out of the water, it feels like a compete multimedia system. Even the Wii U has more non-gaming features than the PS4, Miiverse and the web browser are both amazing. The PS4’s web browser is terrible, as was the PS3’s.

I really hope Sony brings back many of the things that made PS3 useful as a media system. If they don’t then I’ll just stick with my Wii U and get an Xbox One for my multimedia needs.

klayton

Retards, every last one of you, wait for firmware updates, impatient novices.

klepp0906

It’s about time they stopped adding all this other garbage onto consoles. In my opinion they should play games and that’s it! Period! You want a DVD player? Buy one! Focusing on gameplay only allows them to do just that. You get a more powerful optimized gaming machine that does what it’s designed to do and you get it at a better price.

Today’s generation of spoiled kids is a mess. Mankind gets worse with each successive generation but this time around they skipped a grade. Nowadays they cry and expect developers to cave and change things to pander to their desires.
Worst part is the developers do just that which further intensifies the issue and expectation. What do I want 3 DVD players for? (Assuming as a real gaming enthusiast you buy the mainstream consoles for what they are designed for)
I know I’m beating a dead horse here. Kids make the world go round straight with moms wallet, but engineers and devs need to nut up and think about the health of the genre/medium instead of pleasing every middle schoolers wish list.

So here you have one 20+ year long gamer who for quite some time has wanted nothing more than to have all the crowded and cluttering bs removed from consoles. 500 dollars so it can watch movies and make phone calls is simply re tard ed! Microsoft tried the one item to replace them all thing and nearly fell flat on their face. Enough is enough.

NonCasualGamer

PS4 fucking sucks. What a waste of hard earned money.

David

Lots of PC gamer hate on here. Discrimination and name calling? Why can you just direct your anger at one person instead of the brood spectrum of PC gamers? The original games were made on PC and only ported to a console because someone wanted to allow those without computers the ability to play these games. I mean if you play XBOX cool, Playstation, cool, but don’t breed hate with more hate. Watching the arguments was really just a waste of time for me. We have three PS3s, two 360s, three PS2s, two XBOX originals, Dreamcasts, etc. However, we also have three PC gamers. PC is better if you can afford the right specs, and console is better if you want things simplified for you, but a console can not replace a PC. I play all my PC games with a PS3 controller and can hook them up to an HDTV if I’d like, but choose the ability to play in other rooms of the house, while still enjoying the HD of my laptop screen. When you buy a PS4, the HDTV is mandatory, and the average gamer wants either a 39 or a 42 at least, last I checked, those are at least 350 dollars. So either way, a $750 gaming PC or a $750 console setup.

Christian Dunham

This is the most irritating thing about it. I imagine it will change with time though. Those features didn’t come standard with the PS3 if I recall correctly. They were added later.

WHAT DOES IRK THE SHIT OUT OF ME is no 3d playback for Blu Ray. I had to buy a separate 3d blu ray player after trading my PS3 for PS4. Pissed me the fuck off.

Deon Momberg

Really? Maybe update your post Mr. Writer? Best selling console is the SONY PS4. Boooom!!!!! And my display screen has all the ‘missing’ media functions you moaned about, and so does a lot of other peoples’ Tv’s who has the money for a luxury such as the PS4. Also you are comparing battlefield 4 on PS4 to PS3’s version?Really? You’re opinion sucks a little. But it’s yours.

Anne N Emous

Personally, I have no issue with this. I’ll agree that the price is high, but then I think the price of most TV-tethered consoles is high these days. I still have a PlayStation 1, and that ONLY plays games. That’s all it does, and I’m not complaining! If I buy a console, it’s because I want a console. If I wanted a DVD player, I’d buy a DVD player. If I wanted a computer, I’d buy a computer.

When you set out to buy a games console, you shouldn’t be disappointed that you come back with a games console.

Jeremy

PC fanfags are hilarious, people buy gaming consoles to play games, they have other ways of listening to music. PC nerds everywhere here.

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