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Thanks for that.This combination puts Hawthorn/New River in the top 10 pubcos,so i have changed post #5 and post #26 to show the new positions.As always this is a best guess ,so any other help gratefully received.

apparently Marstons' wet led franchised pubs 'achieved good growth'. yet every last one of their local pubs around here has been run into the ground or sold off for development to the likes of New River

apparently Marstons' wet led franchised pubs 'achieved good growth'. yet every last one of their local pubs around here has been run into the ground or sold off for development to the likes of New River

That's my experience with Marstons as well. The Banks's pubs around Aberystwyth have mostly been sold off. Burtonwood pubs in North Wales were generally reliable for real ale but are now either closed or sell any old Martson rubbish or just keg. I've completely lost faith with them. At least a few Greene King houses have made themselves partial free houses.