Post by Gerard MeijssenGiven the discussion about finished books on the Korean Wikisource, Ithis demonstrates that we really need to advertise the finished books toa reading public.

In Italy, after many years of talk with local libraries, the Wikisourcebooks are included in the catalogs of many libraries (also via a localebook provider, MLOL, who hired some wikimedians to work on the "opencollection", big kudos to them).

I work on the Wikipedia Library program, and wanted to jump in with apassing thought I'd had about Wikisource and TWL. We'll be building searchand discovery tools into the library card platform (https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/) that's currently under ongoingdevelopment. They'll index all the usually-paywalled resources we haveaccess to, but also open access content. As part of that process it's adesire of mine to index completed Wikisource works, though I haven't givenit much thought beyond 'that would be nice'. This might be able to functionas a kind of centralised search for all completed Wikisource works, ifimplemented.

If you're interested, the relevant Phab task is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169875, where your thoughts are very welcome. It won't beworked on for a while and I can't guarantee that it will definitely happen,but if it's something the Wikisource community would benefit from, thenthat would absolutely increase the likelihood we'll work on it.

Post by Gerard MeijssenGiven the discussion about finished books on the Korean Wikisource, Ithis demonstrates that we really need to advertise the finished books to areading public.

In Italy, after many years of talk with local libraries, the Wikisourcebooks are included in the catalogs of many libraries (also via a localebook provider, MLOL, who hired some wikimedians to work on the "opencollection", big kudos to them).Nemo_______________________________________________Wikisource-l mailing listhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l

Hoi,In my opinion this is a service not only for editors but for the completeWikimedia reader public. So the notion of putting it in that platform isgreat but we need to advertise the finished books of Wikisource to thewhole world.Thanks,GerardM

Post by Sam WaltonHi all,I work on the Wikipedia Library program, and wanted to jump in with apassing thought I'd had about Wikisource and TWL. We'll be building searchand discovery tools into the library card platform (https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/) that's currently under ongoingdevelopment. They'll index all the usually-paywalled resources we haveaccess to, but also open access content. As part of that process it's adesire of mine to index completed Wikisource works, though I haven't givenit much thought beyond 'that would be nice'. This might be able to functionas a kind of centralised search for all completed Wikisource works, ifimplemented.If you're interested, the relevant Phab task ishttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169875, where your thoughts are verywelcome. It won't be worked on for a while and I can't guarantee that itwill definitely happen, but if it's something the Wikisource communitywould benefit from, then that would absolutely increase the likelihoodwe'll work on it.Best,Sam

Post by Gerard MeijssenGiven the discussion about finished books on the Korean Wikisource, Ithis demonstrates that we really need to advertise the finished books to areading public.

In Italy, after many years of talk with local libraries, the Wikisourcebooks are included in the catalogs of many libraries (also via a localebook provider, MLOL, who hired some wikimedians to work on the "opencollection", big kudos to them).Nemo_______________________________________________Wikisource-l mailing listhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l

It's slightly tricky at the moment to extract data for validated works,for one because we don't have solid data linking Index pages to theircorresponding main namespace (i.e. "work") pages. The Index pages havethe status, but the mainspace pages are what we think of as the work.There's P1957 now, which is the connextion we need, but the data forthat isn't complete.We've also got (incomplete) support for OPDS in the wsexport tool, whichI think is probably a brilliant way forward for sharing the Wikisourcecatalogue with other systems. Once we have better structural support inWikisource itself (e.g. structured data for querying validation status)then we'll much more efficiently and easily be able to produce all sortsof output for sharing.

Post by Sam WaltonHi all,I work on the Wikipedia Library program, and wanted to jump in with apassing thought I'd had about Wikisource and TWL. We'll be buildingsearch and discovery tools into the library card platform(https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/) that's currently under ongoingdevelopment. They'll index all the usually-paywalled resources we haveaccess to, but also open access content. As part of that process it'sa desire of mine to index completed Wikisource works, though I haven'tgiven it much thought beyond 'that would be nice'. This might be ableto function as a kind of centralised search for all completedWikisource works, if implemented.>If you're interested, the relevant Phab task ishttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169875, where your thoughts arevery welcome. It won't be worked on for a while and I can't guaranteethat it will definitely happen, but if it's something the Wikisourcecommunity would benefit from, then that would absolutely increase thelikelihood we'll work on it.>Best,SamOn 12 October 2017 at 13:07, Federico Leva (Nemo)

Post by Gerard MeijssenGiven the discussion about finished books on the Korean Wikisource,I this demonstrates that we really need to advertise the finishedbooks to a reading public.>>

In Italy, after many years of talk with local libraries, theWikisource books are included in the catalogs of many libraries (alsovia a local ebook provider, MLOL, who hired some wikimedians to workon the "open collection", big kudos to them).>>Nemo_______________________________________________Wikisource-l mailing listhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l

Sorry, Sam, the other thing I meant to say was: that's a brilliant idea!:-) I'd love to help make it happen, if I can be of any use. :)

Post by Sam WilsonIt's slightly tricky at the moment to extract data for validatedworks, for one because we don't have solid data linking Index pages totheir corresponding main namespace (i.e. "work") pages. The Indexpages have the status, but the mainspace pages are what we think of asthe work. There's P1957 now, which is the connextion we need, but thedata for that isn't complete.>We've also got (incomplete) support for OPDS in the wsexport tool,which I think is probably a brilliant way forward for sharing theWikisource catalogue with other systems. Once we have betterstructural support in Wikisource itself (e.g. structured data forquerying validation status) then we'll much more efficiently andeasily be able to produce all sorts of output for sharing.>

Post by Sam WaltonHi all,I work on the Wikipedia Library program, and wanted to jump in with apassing thought I'd had about Wikisource and TWL. We'll be buildingsearch and discovery tools into the library card platform(https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/) that's currently underongoing development. They'll index all the usually-paywalledresources we have access to, but also open access content. As part ofthat process it's a desire of mine to index completed Wikisourceworks, though I haven't given it much thought beyond 'that would benice'. This might be able to function as a kind of centralised searchfor all completed Wikisource works, if implemented.>>If you're interested, the relevant Phab task ishttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169875, where your thoughts arevery welcome. It won't be worked on for a while and I can't guaranteethat it will definitely happen, but if it's something the Wikisourcecommunity would benefit from, then that would absolutely increase thelikelihood we'll work on it.>>Best,SamOn 12 October 2017 at 13:07, Federico Leva (Nemo)

Post by Gerard MeijssenGiven the discussion about finished books on the Korean Wikisource,I this demonstrates that we really need to advertise the finishedbooks to a reading public.>>>

In Italy, after many years of talk with local libraries, theWikisource books are included in the catalogs of many libraries(also via a local ebook provider, MLOL, who hired some wikimediansto work on the "open collection", big kudos to them).>>>Nemo_______________________________________________Wikisource-l mailing listhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l

I'm one of the people that Nemo Was mentioning: I'm a digital librarianworking for MLOL, and in the past 2 years, among other dozens of digitallibraries, I've managed to import Wikisource metadata on MLOL in 3languages (English, French, Italian):http://openmlol.it/Media/Search?Publisher=620

It has been a pain in the ass because I actually had to web scrape thewebsites, from lists derived from categories. There is no easy way to havemetadata about Wikisource books, at the moment.

There are prototypes like WS-search, from Sam Wilson:http://tools.wmflabs.org/ws-search/

And I'm sure that Tpt has some scripts to parse Wikisource (also, there wasOPDS).

The Wikisource community tried somewhat to solve the issue via Wikidata,but discovered another black hole: modelling books on Wikidata it's verytricky, and even after 2 Wikicite conferences (with Tpt and otherWikisource people) I must confess I'm still confused...For personal reasons I've not worked on the matter in the last months,hopefully, will do in the near future.

I remember Vigneron was braver than me and recently tried to revive thediscussion:https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Books

IF (and it's a big IF) we find a workable solution with Wikidata(theoretical and practical) andIF (and it's a big IF) we find some skilled Wikidata people to help us withcustomised queries and bots to help with the transition (we need to importWikisource data into Wikidata, and we need to clear existing Wikidata itemsfollowing the standard model, and we need to maintain them in the future),then it's doable and we have solved the metadata problem.

Unfortunately, I spent most of my adult and professional life complainingabout this (also, I really tried),and nothing really changed... ;-)

Aubrey

Post by Sam WilsonSorry, Sam, the other thing I meant to say was: that's a brilliant idea!:-) I'd love to help make it happen, if I can be of any use. :)It's slightly tricky at the moment to extract data for validated works,for one because we don't have solid data linking Index pages to theircorresponding main namespace (i.e. "work") pages. The Index pages have thestatus, but the mainspace pages are what we think of as the work. There'sP1957 now, which is the connextion we need, but the data for that isn'tcomplete.We've also got (incomplete) support for OPDS in the wsexport tool, which Ithink is probably a brilliant way forward for sharing the Wikisourcecatalogue with other systems. Once we have better structural support inWikisource itself (e.g. structured data for querying validation status)then we'll much more efficiently and easily be able to produce all sorts ofoutput for sharing.Hi all,I work on the Wikipedia Library program, and wanted to jump in with apassing thought I'd had about Wikisource and TWL. We'll be building searchand discovery tools into the library card platform (https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/) that's currently under ongoingdevelopment. They'll index all the usually-paywalled resources we haveaccess to, but also open access content. As part of that process it's adesire of mine to index completed Wikisource works, though I haven't givenit much thought beyond 'that would be nice'. This might be able to functionas a kind of centralised search for all completed Wikisource works, ifimplemented.If you're interested, the relevant Phab task ishttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169875, where your thoughts are verywelcome. It won't be worked on for a while and I can't guarantee that itwill definitely happen, but if it's something the Wikisource communitywould benefit from, then that would absolutely increase the likelihoodwe'll work on it.Best,SamGiven the discussion about finished books on the Korean Wikisource, I thisdemonstrates that we really need to advertise the finished books to areading public.In Italy, after many years of talk with local libraries, the Wikisourcebooks are included in the catalogs of many libraries (also via a localebook provider, MLOL, who hired some wikimedians to work on the "opencollection", big kudos to them).Nemo_______________________________________________Wikisource-l mailing listhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l--Sam WaltonPartnerships CoordinatorThe Wikipedia Library*_______________________________________________*Wikisource-l mailing listhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l*_______________________________________________*Wikisource-l mailing listhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l_______________________________________________Wikisource-l mailing listhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l