NFL Week 4!

"..the Patriots scored over 40 points, without Moss getting a catch, and New England immediately was blinded by the notion of them; Not needing him. The problem there is, New England's special teams' isn't going to score 21 points for them every game. As we all saw this past Monday, Brady's got 100 career victories. 40 are with Moss. Brady's thrown 87 touchdown passes, since Randy joined the Patriots. 50 of those were to Moss. With Moss, the Patriots have only lost 12 games since 2007. With Moss, the Patriots have won two Division titles. With Moss, the Patriots won 16 games, during his first season in New England. With Moss, the Patriots went to a Superbowl. How will the New England Patriots look now without Moss? We're all about to find out." --Chris Myers. FOX Sports Radio.. Sirius-XM (142)

perfect

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"..with 5 Stanley Cup Finals appearances, in a span of 17 years.. they've set the gold standard of how an organization should be run" -Brian Duff

I thought the deadline for Jackson to play this year had past. They are left with nothing.

There was a deadling to waive the league-imposed suspension for him holding out, but the Chargers INSISTED on holding on to him... which is why AJ Smith became the "Lord of no Rings"

Loving the Moss debate... about time we had some intelligent football talk in here!!

Remember the WR corps that Brady won Super Bowls with.... I think the pats are trying to get back to that WR by committee mold...even Welker has a guy like him on the team in Edleman (sp?)

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Pay homage to the INCREDIBLE scoring goalie!!!! :-)

I saw CRASHER trip a kid on skates and then he stole the kids lunch money and slapped his mom when she came to pick him up.. All because the kid looked at his crease

CRASHER's official list of high stick victims from this forum:gionta182, devilsfan26 .... WHO'S NEXT??

2005 Fantasy Football League Champion... Bow to my Football knowledge !!!!!!

2003-04 NJDevs.com winner of the Masterton Award for Dedication to the Devils(still proud of that one !)

4, Four (!?!?) Time (2005-2008) NJDevs.com winner of the Whoever the damn Award for the funniest poster in the land is named after...(geesh... post pressure, but I seem ok with it!)TWO TIME (2005, 2006) Award Winner and the man who can show Jeremy Roenick what a REAL loudmouth is all about.... hell this mouth roars SO loud, they retired the DAMN AWARD!!!! But how do you be emotional about an award for being most emotional when you're sharing it?

"..the Patriots scored over 40 points, without Moss getting a catch, and New England immediately was blinded by the notion of them; Not needing him. The problem there is, New England's special teams' isn't going to score 21 points for them every game. As we all saw this past Monday, Brady's got 100 career victories. 40 are with Moss. Brady's thrown 87 touchdown passes, since Randy joined the Patriots. 50 of those were to Moss. With Moss, the Patriots have only lost 12 games since 2007. With Moss, the Patriots have won two Division titles. With Moss, the Patriots won 16 games, during his first season in New England. With Moss, the Patriots went to a Superbowl. How will the New England Patriots look now without Moss? We're all about to find out." --Chris Myers. FOX Sports Radio.. Sirius-XM (142)

perfect

How many Super Bowls have they won with Moss? Without him they went to three Super Bowls and won them all. Suddenly due to Myers' selective memory Brady and the Pats did nothing until Moss arrived?

Only lost 12 games since 2007...if I say "lost only 12 games since 2008" (which is also true) that number is less impressive. The 16-0 season skews things a bit.

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan![Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!

"It's hard to question Bill Belichick's football decisions with the New England Patriots, but there are some rare exceptions.One came last November, when he decided to go for it on fourth-and-2 from the Patriots' 28-yard line while holding a six-point lead with 2:08 left at Indianapolis last year. Predictably, the attempt failed, Peyton Manning got the ball, and the Colts got the win.Now, in trading Randy Moss, Belichick has again made what looks like an ill-advised gamble.There is no disputing the Patriots are significantly weaker without Moss, that they have gotten rid of one of the best players on their roster and don't have an equal replacement.

After Monday night's blowout victory in Miami, the Patriots had surged back into top-contender status in a league that doesn't offer a clear-cut best team. After saying good-bye to Moss, they appear to have become more ordinary and a lot less threatening.Did Moss, who had made his displeasure over his contract a public issue from the start of the season, do something to infuriate Belichick to the point where he simply couldn't tolerate having him around? Or, and this seems more likely, did Belichick simply do what he often does (what he did right before last season by sending defensive lineman Richard Seymour to Oakland) and cash out on a veteran while the getting was good? If so, the move is highly questionable given the third-round pick the Patriots received from the Vikings.Is such a head-scratching transaction going to end up making more sense because the Patriots will get disgruntled standout San Diego Chargers receiver Vincent Jackson? Don't hold your breath on that one. Jackson wants $30 million in guaranteed money and is a behavioral risk to boot.Even at 33, Moss is still one of the most dynamic playmakers in the NFL, which is why Brett Favre is anxious to begin throwing passes to him in Minnesota and why Tom Brady (even if he never admits as much publicly) can't be all that happy.Moss' mere presence on the field requires opposing defenses to make certain they have an answer for him. And in having an answer for Moss, they leave questions for themselves regarding Wes Welker and other Patriot receivers.Supporters of the trade are quick to point out that the Patriots handily beat the Dolphins without Moss making a single catch.But that win was driven by an inordinate number of big plays on special teams. Are the Patriots going to do that on a weekly basis? Doubtful. Just ask the Dolphins, whose Tuesday firing of their special-teams coach would strongly indicate that New England's success had a whole lot to do with their own failure in the kicking game.

Others who think shipping Moss out of town is a good idea cite the fact the Patriots won three Super Bowls before his arrival from Oakland. True, but the Patriots had a better defense during that run -- certainly a much stronger one than they have now.The current version of the Patriots relies almost exclusively on offensive explosiveness to win games. Moss was a huge part of that mixture. Let's not forget the three touchdown catches he made through the first three weeks of the season, including that incredible, one-handed gem against the New York Jets. Let's not forget his ability to get open for the game-breaking play at any time.Brady certainly won't.Sure, he still has Welker, and rookie Brandon Tate has shown promise. He also has a new, exciting target in rookie tight end Aaron Hernandez, and the Patriots' passing attack is making greater use of the tight end than it has in previous years. However, tight ends benefit from Moss' ability to draw coverage just as any other New England pass-catcher. Someone with Hernandez's skills would clearly benefit more than previous tight ends who weren't as talented and, therefore, given a lesser role.Expect opponents to adjust their coverage to focus on minimizing Welker and Hernandez. That should be a little easier to do now that they don't have Moss to worry about ... unless they have the Vikings on their schedule." --Vic Carucci NFL.com

..again, PERFECT!

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"..with 5 Stanley Cup Finals appearances, in a span of 17 years.. they've set the gold standard of how an organization should be run" -Brian Duff

You know what the Pats should do. . . turn this set of scattered picks into a smaller group of first round picks, because once the new collective bargainning agreement is set, those will be things that you'll actually want to have.

I don't seem them using all the picks as they are. That's the way to rebuild a defense in 2-3 years, not for next season.

"It's hard to question Bill Belichick's football decisions with the New England Patriots, but there are some rare exceptions.One came last November, when he decided to go for it on fourth-and-2 from the Patriots' 28-yard line while holding a six-point lead with 2:08 left at Indianapolis last year. Predictably, the attempt failed, Peyton Manning got the ball, and the Colts got the win.Now, in trading Randy Moss, Belichick has again made what looks like an ill-advised gamble.There is no disputing the Patriots are significantly weaker without Moss, that they have gotten rid of one of the best players on their roster and don't have an equal replacement.

After Monday night's blowout victory in Miami, the Patriots had surged back into top-contender status in a league that doesn't offer a clear-cut best team. After saying good-bye to Moss, they appear to have become more ordinary and a lot less threatening.Did Moss, who had made his displeasure over his contract a public issue from the start of the season, do something to infuriate Belichick to the point where he simply couldn't tolerate having him around? Or, and this seems more likely, did Belichick simply do what he often does (what he did right before last season by sending defensive lineman Richard Seymour to Oakland) and cash out on a veteran while the getting was good? If so, the move is highly questionable given the third-round pick the Patriots received from the Vikings.Is such a head-scratching transaction going to end up making more sense because the Patriots will get disgruntled standout San Diego Chargers receiver Vincent Jackson? Don't hold your breath on that one. Jackson wants $30 million in guaranteed money and is a behavioral risk to boot.Even at 33, Moss is still one of the most dynamic playmakers in the NFL, which is why Brett Favre is anxious to begin throwing passes to him in Minnesota and why Tom Brady (even if he never admits as much publicly) can't be all that happy.Moss' mere presence on the field requires opposing defenses to make certain they have an answer for him. And in having an answer for Moss, they leave questions for themselves regarding Wes Welker and other Patriot receivers.Supporters of the trade are quick to point out that the Patriots handily beat the Dolphins without Moss making a single catch.But that win was driven by an inordinate number of big plays on special teams. Are the Patriots going to do that on a weekly basis? Doubtful. Just ask the Dolphins, whose Tuesday firing of their special-teams coach would strongly indicate that New England's success had a whole lot to do with their own failure in the kicking game.

Others who think shipping Moss out of town is a good idea cite the fact the Patriots won three Super Bowls before his arrival from Oakland. True, but the Patriots had a better defense during that run -- certainly a much stronger one than they have now.The current version of the Patriots relies almost exclusively on offensive explosiveness to win games. Moss was a huge part of that mixture. Let's not forget the three touchdown catches he made through the first three weeks of the season, including that incredible, one-handed gem against the New York Jets. Let's not forget his ability to get open for the game-breaking play at any time.Brady certainly won't.Sure, he still has Welker, and rookie Brandon Tate has shown promise. He also has a new, exciting target in rookie tight end Aaron Hernandez, and the Patriots' passing attack is making greater use of the tight end than it has in previous years. However, tight ends benefit from Moss' ability to draw coverage just as any other New England pass-catcher. Someone with Hernandez's skills would clearly benefit more than previous tight ends who weren't as talented and, therefore, given a lesser role.Expect opponents to adjust their coverage to focus on minimizing Welker and Hernandez. That should be a little easier to do now that they don't have Moss to worry about ... unless they have the Vikings on their schedule." --Vic Carucci NFL.com

..again, PERFECT!

Oh yeah, it's perfect. This guy contradicts himself. On one hand, he's got the Patriots surging back into top-contender status because they blew out Miami (wrong...they're not a top contender with that defense, no way). Then he points out how the victory was driven in large part by Miami's failures on special teams (correct). So what are the Pats: a top contender or a team that got some flukey breaks that helped them go 3-1?

The author also correctly points out that the defense is not nearly as strong as the one that was a big factor in the previous Super Bowl victories. So again, how is this team a top contender?

3-1 doesn't have me fooled one bit...if Henne had shown more patience (Miami had guys open all over the place...Henne made some terrible decisions) and Miami's special teams hadn't imploded, that game is much closer...big ifs, to be fair, and I'm not taking anything away from my team, but I'm not now of the belief that the Pats have become this special teams terror, destined to block punts and kicks and return TDs on runbacks. You yourself pointed out how Buffalo gave NE all they could handle up in Foxboro...the Bills, who haven't really scored much against ANYONE except NE...does that sound like a true contender to you?

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan![Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!

I saw CRASHER trip a kid on skates and then he stole the kids lunch money and slapped his mom when she came to pick him up.. All because the kid looked at his crease

CRASHER's official list of high stick victims from this forum:gionta182, devilsfan26 .... WHO'S NEXT??

2005 Fantasy Football League Champion... Bow to my Football knowledge !!!!!!

2003-04 NJDevs.com winner of the Masterton Award for Dedication to the Devils(still proud of that one !)

4, Four (!?!?) Time (2005-2008) NJDevs.com winner of the Whoever the damn Award for the funniest poster in the land is named after...(geesh... post pressure, but I seem ok with it!)TWO TIME (2005, 2006) Award Winner and the man who can show Jeremy Roenick what a REAL loudmouth is all about.... hell this mouth roars SO loud, they retired the DAMN AWARD!!!! But how do you be emotional about an award for being most emotional when you're sharing it?

Oh yeah, it's perfect. This guy contradicts himself. On one hand, he's got the Patriots surging back into top-contender status because they blew out Miami (wrong...they're not a top contender with that defense, no way). Then he points out how the victory was driven in large part by Miami's failures on special teams (correct). So what are the Pats: a top contender or a team that got some flukey breaks that helped them go 3-1?

The author also correctly points out that the defense is not nearly as strong as the one that was a big factor in the previous Super Bowl victories. So again, how is this team a top contender?

3-1 doesn't have me fooled one bit...if Henne had shown more patience (Miami had guys open all over the place...Henne made some terrible decisions) and Miami's special teams hadn't imploded, that game is much closer...big ifs, to be fair, and I'm not taking anything away from my team, but I'm not now of the belief that the Pats have become this special teams terror, destined to block punts and kicks and return TDs on runbacks. You yourself pointed out how Buffalo gave NE all they could handle up in Foxboro...the Bills, who haven't really scored much against ANYONE except NE...does that sound like a true contender to you?

I think your right. 3-1 is an illusion. I find it unlikely that the NE special teams are going duplicate Monday night.

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I was wrong to ever doubt the powers of Lou Lamoriello.
IN LOU WE TRUST @Manta04

Honestly I could care less... but I know Moss' fantasy numbers will improve!!!

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Pay homage to the INCREDIBLE scoring goalie!!!! :-)

I saw CRASHER trip a kid on skates and then he stole the kids lunch money and slapped his mom when she came to pick him up.. All because the kid looked at his crease

CRASHER's official list of high stick victims from this forum:gionta182, devilsfan26 .... WHO'S NEXT??

2005 Fantasy Football League Champion... Bow to my Football knowledge !!!!!!

2003-04 NJDevs.com winner of the Masterton Award for Dedication to the Devils(still proud of that one !)

4, Four (!?!?) Time (2005-2008) NJDevs.com winner of the Whoever the damn Award for the funniest poster in the land is named after...(geesh... post pressure, but I seem ok with it!)TWO TIME (2005, 2006) Award Winner and the man who can show Jeremy Roenick what a REAL loudmouth is all about.... hell this mouth roars SO loud, they retired the DAMN AWARD!!!! But how do you be emotional about an award for being most emotional when you're sharing it?

I stated my case and made fair points to back it up. If you read my last post you'll also see that I agreed with Vic Carucci's points that the win over Miami was driven as much by Miami's special teams gaffes as anything else, and that the defense isn't anywhere near the level it was when the Pats truly were a top contender. So for him to say earlier that New England had somehow become a top contender again, does that make any sense at all?

The upcoming game against the Ravens (which I'm going to) is going to be a terrific test for both the Pats' offense and defense...the Pats' offense will get tested against another excellent D, and Baltimore's offense hasn't really gotten going yet, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Flacco got it going against this bunch.

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan![Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!

I think your right. 3-1 is an illusion. I find it unlikely that the NE special teams are going duplicate Monday night.

How could they possibly? You know many things have to go "right" (or wrong, in Miami's case) for ANY NFL team to have a day like that on special teams? There's a reason why Miami's special teams coach was canned the next day.

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan![Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

#30 FOREVER!

20 out of 1,946 njdevs.com members agree: CR1976 is the Most Knowledgable Poster of 2008! Victory is mine...oh yes, victory is mine!

Welker, thanks to Moss, has never had to face an opponent's #1 corner...there is no way he thrives in that environment. Sure he might still be able to produce a bit but nothing like he was used to. I do think that the Pats running game will get a boost simply because they'll be forced to play more and Green-Ellis isn't that bad and Woodhead looks pretty good too...

It'll be interesting to see if Favre is going to force the ball to Moss now...how he responds will determine the winners and losers of the trade...could end up being the corners facing the Favre/Moss combo...

I continue to maintain the idea, that New England WILL go out and get someone to supplement Randy Moss.. before the October 19th trade-deadline. But, should 10\19 come and go, and the Cheatriots fail to bring in another quality WR.... Wes Welker is toast! Should that be the case.. "looking forward" to our rematch in December, would be an extreme understatement. The sheer notion of putting Wild`Wes on Revis Island (and Cromar on whoever) makes me want to run around screaming.

..however.. I still have to wait 11½ more days, with my fingers crossed.

Edited by Beezer34, 07 October 2010 - 12:16 PM.

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"..with 5 Stanley Cup Finals appearances, in a span of 17 years.. they've set the gold standard of how an organization should be run" -Brian Duff