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Re: "I've Never Seen The Rooney's This Upset"

Originally Posted by Chadman

Originally Posted by NorthCoast

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

And this is where I have an issue with MANY posters on this board- Ben's reputation is garbage right now- gone, just like that.

Many are quick to lay the wrath of God on Ben for bringing the Steeler name to disrepute. It'll be interesting to see how many are quick to restore his reputation if he isn't convicted. I didn't say how many would stop ragging on him- I said RESTORE his reputation. Because we have sure been quick to pull it down.

TallyStiller disagrees with Chadman

Ben's reputation, conviction or no, deserves what it will receive as much as it deserved to be built up over his ability to win football games. He'll never be convicted given the circumstances surrounding his case... not in a million years, but it's not about that. Rape isn't a sex crime, it's about power. The power relationship between a hulking, multi - millionaire athlete and a 20 year old college sophomore is so skewed that when he takes her into a womens' bathroom at a club, even if she went in willingly, and treats her like a porn star, she comes out feeling dirty and used. Even if what happened doesn't meet the legal definition of rape, it surely does in her mind... and if the accusation and public scorn that comes with it takes away some of the reputation, fame, and money of the person who abused that power, to me it's all good.

Will Ben have the chance to restore some of that reputation? Absolutely. Regrettably, as with Tiger Woods, much of it will come back if he wins games... but more will return if he wins games as a humbled, changed person. Frankly, if we win another Super Bowl and he keeps running around doing crap like this, I'll feel about like ***s fans must have felt when they found out that their Super Bowls were hopelessly tainted.

Re: "I've Never Seen The Rooney's This Upset"

Originally Posted by TallyStiller

Originally Posted by Chadman

Originally Posted by NorthCoast

What has Ben done? what is he guilty of?

Ben has brought negative media attention to a franchise that prides itself on the way it conducts its business and its stature in the community. That is what he has done, that is what he is guilty of....so far.
It does not take much for the tide to turn...look what Toyota is going through. Fifty years of goodwill can be wiped out in a blink.

Perception is reality in the eyes of the media....right or wrong.

And this is where I have an issue with MANY posters on this board- Ben's reputation is garbage right now- gone, just like that.

Many are quick to lay the wrath of God on Ben for bringing the Steeler name to disrepute. It'll be interesting to see how many are quick to restore his reputation if he isn't convicted. I didn't say how many would stop ragging on him- I said RESTORE his reputation. Because we have sure been quick to pull it down.

TallyStiller disagrees with Chadman

Ben's reputation, conviction or no, deserves what it will receive as much as it deserved to be built up over his ability to win football games. He'll never be convicted given the circumstances surrounding his case... not in a million years, but it's not about that. Rape isn't a sex crime, it's about power. The power relationship between a hulking, multi - millionaire athlete and a 20 year old college sophomore is so skewed that when he takes her into a womens' bathroom at a club, even if she went in willingly, and treats her like a porn star, she comes out feeling dirty and used. Even if what happened doesn't meet the legal definition of rape, it surely does in her mind... and if the accusation and public scorn that comes with it takes away some of the reputation, fame, and money of the person who abused that power, to me it's all good.

Will Ben have the chance to restore some of that reputation? Absolutely. Regrettably, as with Tiger Woods, much of it will come back if he wins games... but more will return if he wins games as a humbled, changed person. Frankly, if we win another Super Bowl and he keeps running around doing crap like this, I'll feel about like ***s fans must have felt when they found out that their Super Bowls were hopelessly tainted.