Awwwww. Look who appears to be a dirty, filthy, effing LIAR...........AGAIN.

Man, that has SPLC's jew-fingerprints all over it. Since when does a town of 16 or so people have its own media relations representative? Some semi-abandoned farm town out in the middle of no where has their own spokesperson sending out press releases? OK. 16 people? There are more living on 1/4 of a block of your average suburb, and they don't feel the need to have a media relations representative.

And, you'd think they'd be happy as can be to see Craig move away, but no, they want to be as close to him as they can. Isn't that effed up?

Seriously, Craig's offense was minimal. At most it was brandishing a firearm in a non-game area. Hardly stuff to get frothed up about forever.

Seriously, Craig's offense was minimal. At most it was brandishing a firearm in a non-game area. Hardly stuff to get frothed up about forever.

And the punishment fit the crime, to the credit of ND legal system. Of course Jews want him hung for political and monetary reasons.

"See what we did? Give us more money to add to the 300 million"

But the damage He did to us as a movement can't be fixed. Not a single sidelined white person come over to our side as result of his action. Instead, it was like watching a anti-white TV movie made in Jew-wood.

Yeah, for that reason his very name is a burden. Just look at the disunity between us here at SF alone.

If WN had rules, the first rule should be "DO NO HARM". Second rule, see first rule.

And the punishment fit the crime, to the credit of ND legal system. Of course Jews want him hung for political and monetary reasons.

"See what we did? Give us more money to add to the 300 million"

But the damage He did to us as a movement can't be fixed. Not a single sidelined white person come over to our side as result of his action. Instead, it was like watching a anti-white TV movie made in Jew-wood.

Yeah, for that reason his very name is a burden. Just look at the disunity between us here at SF alone.

If WN had rules, the first rule should be "DO NO HARM". Second rule, see first rule.

I think the third should be "Wish No Harm".

Despite what Mr. Cobb has done, I harbor no ill will for him. I sincerely hope that he is able to get to see his mother and that he is able to straighten things out as best he can.

Before you say or do anything take a step back and think to yourself "Will this adversely affect the White Nationalist movement (such as it is)? If I say or do this will it give our enemies more ammunition to use against us?"

We need to realise how to play the game, how PR and public image works. We need to get over this BS "All publicity is good publicity" garbage, guess what: Negative publicity is negative and we need to drop this mentality of "Well our enemies are going to say we're that way so we might as well be" crap I've seen some people advocating on here.

This "Village of the Damned", "Cobbsville", "The Craig Cobb circus" or whatever we want to call it was nothing short of a PR catastrophe and I have to question those of us who are championing it, are you really supporting it or are you intent on seeing Cobb arrested again? If you genuinely cared about the man you would tell him to stop giving his enemies ammunition rather that decrying those who dont agree with what was apparently nothing more than an ego trip and not even an attempt at a legitimate PLE as "faggots" or "trolls" (quick heads up: The definition of troll is not "does not agree with me")

Now, was Cobbs heart in the right place? Yeah maybe but was it done in the right way? Can anybody, hand on heart say that this "Village of the Damned; come look at muh swastikas" (because as we all know plastering Swastikas all over the place has always been a great public image and recruitment tool for White Nationalism ) was a good thing? Can anybody, hand on heart say this presented us in a good light? Did it bring anybody over?

There are several PLEs out there, how many of them have resorted to this theatricality? Compare the Kalispell Montana PLE to this: Its not even in the ballpark.

In closing: Words and actions do have consequences, learn how PR and public image work. Engage brain before opening mouth and please stop championing things which harm us as "good because at least its doing something".

Before you say or do anything take a step back and think to yourself "Will this adversely affect the White Nationalist movement (such as it is)? If I say or do this will it give our enemies more ammunition to use against us?"

Not only in WN, but in regular life as well. Too few people actually think more than beyond their immediate circumstances.

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We need to realise how to play the game, how PR and public image works. We need to get over this BS "All publicity is good publicity" garbage, guess what: Negative publicity is negative and we need to drop this mentality of "Well our enemies are going to say we're that way so we might as well be" crap I've seen some people advocating on here.

I believe myself to have been the only person that has broached that subject (correct me if I'm wrong) on this thread, so I assume that this particular comment is directed in my general direction......and if you think I've advocated that, you are sorely mistaken and didn't read carefully.

I most clearly stated that I'm not so worried about how we are portrayed in a poor light......because we will always be portrayed as such by the media (unless you disagree with that premise, and if so, please give me some examples of where and when it hasn't been done). However, stated that living up to such expectations as the media portrays us is not beneficial.

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Considering that we will never get fair treatment or accurate portrayal, I don't consider it the worst of things........the portrayal part. Now actually committing atrocities, etc - not so good.

I make it a habit to quantify the parameters of my statements to help avoid this type of confusion.

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This "Village of the Damned", "Cobbsville", "The Craig Cobb circus" or whatever we want to call it was nothing short of a PR catastrophe and I have to question those of us who are championing it, are you really supporting it or are you intent on seeing Cobb arrested again? If you genuinely cared about the man you would tell him to stop giving his enemies ammunition rather that decrying those who dont agree with what was apparently nothing more than an ego trip and not even an attempt at a legitimate PLE as "faggots" or "trolls" (quick heads up: The definition of troll is not "does not agree with me")

I can only speak for myself, but believing the charges he faced were trumped up, over reaching, and part of a concerted effort to tie him up legally is not the same as supporting his actions that brought upon those charges. There is a very fine distinction that is lost on too many who think emotionally about the personalities involved instead of critically about these sorts of things. It is also the same thing with the latest complaint about his making public statements.

Allowing the SPLC to dictate that making statements in public where the subject matter is unrelated to the victim(s), not addressed directly or by 3rd party to the victim(s) simply cannot be allowed to be construed as contacting the victim(s) in violation of the parameters of the parole stipulation.

Does anyone disagree with my above statement (completely excluding Cobb from the equation)? And if so, how?

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Now, was Cobbs heart in the right place? Yeah maybe but was it done in the right way? Can anybody, hand on heart say that this "Village of the Damned; come look at muh swastikas" (because as we all know plastering Swastikas all over the place has always been a great public image and recruitment tool for White Nationalism ) was a good thing? Can anybody, hand on heart say this presented us in a good light? Did it bring anybody over?

There are several PLEs out there, how many of them have resorted to this theatricality? Compare the Kalispell Montana PLE to this: Its not even in the ballpark.

I haven't seen a single person say the way Craig did things was smart, advised, saavy, or beneficial. I haven't seen it once. So why does that same, tired line keep getting repeated over and over again? Oy Vey! I admit, I haven't read every single post concerning the subject across the various threads, let alone the ones that have been locked away, so I could stand to be corrected in a very miniscule amount of cases. But, for whatever reason, there is a vocal portion of the community that equates those of us against the exact legal actions taken against Craig somehow being in support of Craig's actions that brought the legal actions about. Where they get this idea, I have no clue. It is either extremely short sighted, bull-headed, or blatantly obtuse. Those are not, never have been, or ever will be the same thing. Not even in the same ballpark.

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In closing: Words and actions do have consequences, learn how PR and public image work. Engage brain before opening mouth and please stop championing things which harm us as "good because at least its doing something".

I've written about this before, and could only find one paragraph in a locked thread where I touched on it.

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Just like there needs to be sites and messages targeted specifically to the various levels of racial awareness, within a community and any future organizations, there are different roles to be played by individuals that have inclinations towards specific things (PR, security, community outreach, etc). Nobody is suggesting that someone best suited for security be a PR person, and that the community outreach people be better suited for security.https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t104.../#post12112718

Not every person is suited to be in public relations. Some people just need to be told that no matter what, they just shouldn't ever get in front of a camera or microphone.

This NS-Swastika started to resemble the " Isle of Man Coat of Arms " to me a few years ago ,
like angled arms holding a weapon striking everything and everyone in every of the four main compass directions;
which the NS-Government of Germany did from 1939-1945 - kind of an amok run .

And visiting craigcobb.com seing this altered NS-Swastika flag really impressed me on the equality of the mind with me .

But I don't know if a mind of striking everything around would help to preserve something
and not being the will for revenge for something .

Why can't US-People use a blue swastika on a white spot on a red flag BTW ??

Germany should trademark the NS-Swastika .

Brits may use a read swastika on blue ground and French a white swastika on blue spot on read background -

Not every person is suited to be in public relations. Some people just need to be told that no matter what, they just shouldn't ever get in front of a camera or microphone.

The focus should be on locking out the controlled news media and giving news relevant to White Nationalists only to our own media.

This way, while the other outlets can publish what ever they want like they always do, anyone wanting the pressing news right from the newsmakers themselves has to come here to get it.

I have also suggested before that Stormfront should come up with a script or some kind of training for dealing with the controlled news media to those that know full well that what they are doing is going to be newsworthy and expect to get cornered, singled out or ambushed by a reporter at some point with the express purpose of being better prepared when the time comes.

You can be the best dressed person in the room and everything can be coming up roses for you, but if you get caught out and say something stupid, that can never be retracted.

It has nothing to do with his "likeability", it has to do with him claiming to do things in the name of White Nationalism and making us look like a bunch of fanatical terrorists not only in the United States, but to media outlets the world over.

Actually it's worse. Competent and charismatic "terrorists" sometimes actually attract a bit of a following and interest in their cause... I am talking about something like IRA or the various Arab groups. We may not like them - and they don't need us to - but their own people see in many of them a competent and well-organized cause which they find likeable. Whereas this:
I don't know, how to describe this. You can look at it and see that the absolute ceiling to what "terror" such a caliber of people might ever pull off, is something like getting drunk and shooting some random person. Because he/she was walking by a Jewish center (while not even being Jewish) or something else utterly retarded in this vein. Or maybe even each other, in some drunken brawl. I struggle to put this into words, any derogatory labels sound woefully non-descriptive.