Climate Change: No-Brainer

"When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it's pretty much a no-brainer. The evidence … is compelling," says Jerry Mahlman, U.S. climate
scientist and a former director of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab. Mahlman was one of 600 experts who reviewed the 1,600 page first segment of
a four-part Intergovernmental report on climate change to be released in Paris next week. The segment was edited by bureaucrats from 154 countries
after being written by more than 600 scientists, and reviewed by a separate group of 600 experts. The second part of the report from the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change will be released in April. It will include a chapter on how global warming is already changing health,
species, engineering and food production. Scientists are confident about their documentation of global warming effects - but gloomy about the future.
The scientists promise the report contains an "explosion of new data."

Human-caused global warming is here - visible in the air, water and melting ice - and is destined to get much worse in the future, an authoritative
global scientific report will warn next week.

Global warming is "happening now, it's very obvious," said Mahlman, a former director of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab who lives in
Boulder, Colo. "When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it's pretty much a no-brainer."

The February report will have "much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Rajendra Pachauri said in
an interview in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.

Hopefully this new report will satisfy the naysayers, and get everybody pulling in the same direction.

Sounds like we're running out of time.

apc made the point on another thread that we ought NOT to start trying to "fix" the planet - because we're most likely just to really
muck things up way worse.

I agree.

We don't know enough about our planet's complex systems to start messing with any of them. And besides, the world ain't broke. We are. The
planet works just fine.

We just need to stop trashing our home, and start cleaning up our own messes and helping each other out.

In a nutshell, what we are seeing is being stated as "global warming" to confuse people about what is really happening (earth changes/ascension), so
that when the big changes start happening soon they can go "oh look, we were right, we are in chaos, which is what we said would happen".

This GW crap is completely assinine. Its like trying to predict the return of Christ. I like how now after weeks of back to back blizzards and snow in
Texas and Arizona a forcast for it to be 15-30 below 0 where I live on Friday we get this "admission of fault"

I dont mind theories and research. What I do mind is the government using it as an excuse to enact more legislation, more taxation and grow itself
ever larger. I mind it when "scientists" want to inject things into our beef cattle to reduce their "emmissions." I mind it when grants, existing
because of my taxes, get awarded on the grounds of whats popular.

Its all fear mongering for control. When do we start building missiles for the impending asteroid collision?

You might want to wait until the report is released before you make such definite statements.

personally i think it will all be estimates, they admit they do not have the computing power to run the computer modeling they need to do. there are
far to many variables, and it is all happening at the same time. what does the public do, when one sciencetist say, it is warming and another saying
it is not.

the world needs to act as one, if it is, and you are right in saying that if you do not know what you are doing, altering things could make it
worse.

what i do find interesting is the sun, at the mo. now i do not think anyone has ever said that man can ever have an effect on the sun, altough we have
studied it, i do not recall, ever seeing someone say, that man is capable of doing anything to the sun etc...

the problem if it is a nobrainer, why are not all the science field all in agreement, over what is happening, they simply are not, and maybe just
maybe they have left it to late to do anything anyway.

I anyone wants to talk any further about conjecture, predictions etc on GW and state there is not proof please U2U me I will provide many many many
facts figures all independantly verified proving Global Warming.

I will laso be very happy to provide very basic school chemistry and Pyhsics presentation to explain how this happens, how it is impossible to use
things such as the modern internal combustion engine and oil based fuels, for you not to produce substances that have again been proven beyond even a
pale of doubt to interact within a system like the weather not to produce effects that will produce Global Warming

It is as said a No Brainer. Its simple science and chemistry most chemistry degree students jump over the facts on burning fossil fuels, gases that
produce global warming being put into the atmosphere and the results. no theory many many mnay facts for years.

As sofi rightly says this new IPCC report just strengthens and puts meats on the bones of what we expect to happen from this behaviour. mind you the
one four years ago again proved this and the one from 4 years before that.

I will not once again waste ATS server space with posting the same repeatable proven and accepted facts on global warming and the mechanics behind it,
as said please u2u me and I will be more than willing to educate you.

Thank you Sofi once again extreme weather all around the world, and people still believe the adverts and spin from the oil companies and Bush and
co.

ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE ITS SIMPLE ITS OBSERVABLE AND ITS A CONSENSUS AMONG ALL WHO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT !

(BESIDES ABOUT 30 DODGILY FUNDED RESEARCHERS WORLD WIDE)

rEGARDS

Elf

"You have voted soficrow for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month."

'The really chilling thing about the IPCC report is that it is the work of several thousand climate experts who have widely differing views about
how greenhouse gases will have their effect. Some think they will have a major impact, others a lesser role. Each paragraph of this report was
therefore argued over and scrutinised intensely. Only points that were considered indisputable survived this process. This is a very conservative
document - that's what makes it so scary,' said one senior UK climate expert.

the world needs to act as one, if it is, and you are right in saying that if you do not know what you are doing, altering things could make it
worse.

Appropriate action absolutely does NOT have to involve "altering" anything except our own behaviour, and acting to 'save' society, different
cultures, peoples, and threatened components of our own human legacy.

the problem if it is a nobrainer, why are not all the science field all in agreement, over what is happening, they simply are not,

A kind of war-oriented, fatalistic world view, imo. ...It may be too late to take back all the poisons we've dumped into our world, or the gases
we've released. And it might be too late to stop the dynamic we've started or triggered.

BUT.

"Doing something" does not need to be about attacking or starting a "war on."

We can always adapt, accept change, go with the flow. We can stop trashing our home, and start cleaning up after ourselves and
helping each other.

quick look at the russian perspective eh? how about narrowing it down to just the last 2 months reporting?

After some of the coldest temperatures on record last winter, the first winter month of this year has seen temperatures in Novosibirsk in Western
Siberia rising above minus 3 degrees Celsius (26.6 degrees F).
According to the weather service, winter in the first 10 days of December was six to eight degrees warmer than the multi-year average of minus 16-18
degrees Celsius (3.2 - minus 0.4 degrees F) in Western Siberia.

MOSCOW, December 21 (RIA Novosti) - The number of natural calamities in Russia more than doubled over the last 10 years as a result of global
warming, the Russian minister of emergency situations said Thursday.
"All that is happening is the consequence of the continuously warming climate," Sergei Shoigu said. "Over the last 10 years as a result of such
warming the number of natural calamities in our country more than doubled, rising from 150 to 350."
The Kolka glacier collapsed September 20, 2002 in the Republic of North Ossetia, burying 116 people under tons of rock, mud and ice, including a film
crew led by one of the country's most popular actors and directors, Sergei Bodrov Jr.

Sorry yes this is normal? of course in the natural earth fluctuations of weatehr and tempratures permafrosts and glaciers and tempratures naturally
change SO QUICKLY OVER SUCH A SHORT TIME LINE dont they? its all natural the man from OPEC said so...mmm well please find me the research and evidence
form the ice cores and rock samples to show this....strange I have a B.sc degree in science and I cant find them...

some more?

The Kolka glacier collapsed September 20, 2002 in the Republic of North Ossetia, burying 116 people under tons of rock, mud and ice, including a
film crew led by one of the country's most popular actors and directors, Sergei Bodrov Jr.

Roman Vilfand said that between January and November, 371 dangerous natural phenomena - including extreme cold, heat waves, strong winds and driving
rains - were registered throughout Russia.

"The year also ends unusually with the abnormally warm weather in late November and early December, when plants even began to bloom in some areas,"
Vilfand said.

On December 15 Moscow saw an all time record high winter temperature for the Russian capital, as thermometers climbed to a maximum of 8.6°C
(47.48°F) in comparison with the previous record-high temperature of 8.1 °C (46.5°F), set on February 17, 1989.

"January 10, with a temperature of plus 8, was the warmest in the first 10 days of January in the entire history of meteorological monitoring in
Moscow," the hydro-meteorological bureau for Moscow and the Moscow Region said.

Weather experts also said the temperature did not drop below 5 degrees Celsius (41 Fahrenheit) last night, beating the record set January 11, 1991.

The current high temperatures in some cities of European Russia have led to never-before-seen phenomena, including blossoming flowers and swelling
buds in the city of Kursk, 370 miles southwest of Moscow.

"January 10, with a temperature of plus 8, was the warmest in the first 10 days of January in the entire history of meteorological monitoring in
Moscow," the hydro-meteorological bureau for Moscow and the Moscow Region said.

Another record has been registered in Nizhny Novgorod in the Volga Region, beating the 1971 high with the temperature climbing to 3.9 degrees Celsius
(38 Fahrenheit)

Warm weather and strong winds contributed to a new flood in St. Petersburg yesterday, with water in the Neva River, which flows through the city
founded in 1703 by Emperor Peter the Great, rising 2.2 meters (7.2 feet) above the control mark.

MOSCOW, January 15 (RIA Novosti) - The first two weeks of January have been the warmest the Russian capital has seen in 130 years, a top
meteorologist said Monday.
The weather expert said that on January 10 the temperature climbed to plus 8°C, beating the 1957 record of plus 4°, and on January 11 it hit another
record of plus 8.6°, surpassing the record set January 11, 1991 (plus 4.6°).

Still think this is normal? Where do you get your norms from Mercury or venus??

"Thursday night, the temperature climbed to 3.5 °C (6.3 °F)," said Alexei Lyakhov, head of the hydro-meteorological bureau for Moscow and the
Moscow Region, adding that the previous record for Moscow night temperature was 2.9 °C (5.2 °F), set in 1939.

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