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Re: Hooliganism Survey

I'm not saying they're soft lads just that it's daft that's English hooligans on YouTube compared to the training camps etc that the russains put up. Russia has already disbanded the official group behind the Euro violence but plenty of the lower tier would love a go. It's the new Russian pastime

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Re: Hooliganism Survey

Originally Posted by Ok SpidermAndy!

I'm not saying they're soft lads just that it's daft that's English hooligans on YouTube compared to the training camps etc that the russains put up. Russia has already disbanded the official group behind the Euro violence but plenty of the lower tier would love a go. It's the new Russian pastime

They are about where we were in 1980 with their authorities, they should be at their peak.

All the training and stuff is bullshit, same with the Turks carrying machetes. It isn't a level playing field like it once was, there were always the odd loon with a weapon or big bastard but generally speaking is was a fair fight if the numbers were equal.
If England hooligans attacked the Russians with ammonia and cs they'd complain we were cowards, yet they can't turn up without months of MMA training and body building.
They've missed the point.

Re: Hooliganism Survey

Originally Posted by Ok SpidermAndy!

Oh I agree, I've just never seen the point of violence at football. The two are separate for me and I know where to go to get my fix of each.

It just evolved that way I suppose. Working class sport, rival towns/cities, predominantly male spectators, alcohol and the tension of the game itself. Sooner or later someone was going to clout somebody else

That's it though, normal blokes from normal backgrounds working in normal jobs. Losing the plot for 10 minutes. It was never meant to be a career.

Let's be honest, if you put the effort in that these Russians are I can think of better things to do than have a scrap in the woods. I'd be looking at security work, join the military or contact sports, make some money or actually achieve something worthwhile.

Re: Hooliganism Survey

Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn

It just evolved that way I suppose. Working class sport, rival towns/cities, predominantly male spectators, alcohol and the tension of the game itself. Sooner or later someone was going to clout somebody else

That's it though, normal blokes from normal backgrounds working in normal jobs. Losing the plot for 10 minutes. It was never meant to be a career.

Let's be honest, if you put the effort in that these Russians are I can think of better things to do than have a scrap in the woods. I'd be looking at security work, join the military or contact sports, make some money or actually achieve something worthwhile.

For every dumbbell curl a Ruski does so he can twat a Brit that bit harder, Brits can just curl another swag of their pints so they feel said twatting that bit less.

I think they've underestimated just how much training some of the British hooligans do at getting blind drunk.

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Re: Hooliganism Survey

From the few people i know who went to the euros, were in Marseille and in no way connected with violence at football at any level...said you can usually just stay away from the idiots and have a leisurely beer in most places that England play... but the russians just picked stragglers off.... 20 on 2 or 3 at times..... so it was actually safer to stay with the crowd....with them odds in your favour your always gonna win.

Re: Hooliganism Survey

Russia don't won't to be humiliated by England fans the next world cup. They self admittedly said it's in their genetics to fight for the Motherland or whatever they want to call it.
What happened in Marseille was most probably funded and meant to be a warning.
But, England will still be there in their thousands and dare say they will be a lot more organized this time.

Re: Hooliganism Survey

Dortmund are renowned for having a few tasty lads, they gained some infamy last season for ambushing supporters of RB Leipzig.

Also, the Schalke-Dortmund rivalry is very real (they hate each other) as they are local rivals, albeit Dortmund being originally the more "working class" club and Schalke the club of the "wealthier" fans. Oberhausen are another Ruhr club, although much smaller.

In Germany, whilst there are skirmishes, there's nothing like the aggro you see in England or Italy, although as you know the supporter-scene here is very well-organised and passionately attended.

Most are too busy having a beer (in their seats!) and supporting their teams to get involved in anything much more than piss-taking.

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Re: Hooliganism Survey

It is like when I was school, when there was queue outside the Headmaster's office it was always the same faces.

No wonder St Andrews is a morgue, half of them are banned

You're right though. It's something evident throughout football that when a club gets any kind of reputation it's fans seem persistent on upholding it.
Whether it's the Geordies most passionate fans in the world claim or Millwalls we're the biggest bunch of headcases.

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