QuoteReplyTopic: In what way did your prog favs let you down? Posted: March 10 2013 at 13:23

I can't think of any of my favourite prog bands which have not disappointed me in one way or another. It might have been an individual album track or an entire album, perhaps it was a line-up change that left me scratching my head in amazement.

Can you think of any examples?

I might start with Yes thinking that Trevor Horn (ex-The Buggles) was a suitable replacement for Jon Anderson.

Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.

Dream Theater, when they released Systematic Chaos, though I enjoyed some tracks right off the bat, the album marked the end of my prog listening days for a couple of years. I was also disappointed when Mike Portnoy left, but they rectified that situation.

King Crimson, when a few years ago I realized they'll probably never record an album again.

Frank Zappa, not long after I first got into his music I found out he died in 1993.

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By the way Horza, I never gave you my permission for that sig. But it's OK, you can leave it.

Hmm....
Maybe not what you had in mind, but something that's been rather difficult to swallow for me, is when artists denounce their earlier music. Pink Floyd fx have been pretty nasty about Atom Heart Mother, especially Waters and Gilmour.
Now I happen to believe that AHM is a bonafide masterpiece, and that the epic selftitled track is a thing of pure art. A lot of that is obviously down to Ron Geesin's input and guidance, which is why I find it even more disrespectful. It was just as much his baby.

“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

Dream Theater, when they released Systematic Chaos, though I enjoyed some tracks right off the bat, the album marked the end of my prog listening days for a couple of years. I was also disappointed when Mike Portnoy left, but they rectified that situation.King Crimson, when a few years ago I realized they'll probably never record an album again.Frank Zappa, not long after I first got into his music I found out he died in 1993.-------By the way Horza, I never gave you my permission for that sig. But it's OK, you can leave it.

Systematic Chaos was the album that got me into DT - I saw them on that tour and had actually gone to see the support act, Symphony X.

My sig was a kind of tribute to something you said that I thought was quite funny. I will rectify

Originally posted by darkshade:

Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.

Dream Theater, when they released Systematic Chaos, though I enjoyed some tracks right off the bat, the album marked the end of my prog listening days for a couple of years. I was also disappointed when Mike Portnoy left, but they rectified that situation.King Crimson, when a few years ago I realized they'll probably never record an album again.Frank Zappa, not long after I first got into his music I found out he died in 1993.-------By the way Horza, I never gave you my permission for that sig. But it's OK, you can leave it.

Systematic Chaos was the album that got me into DT - I saw them on that tour and had actually gone to see the support act, Symphony X.

My sig was a kind of tribute to something you said that I thought was quite funny. I will rectify

Systematic Chaos is one of my favourites too. A huge improvement on Octavarium in my eyes.

Hmm....
Maybe not what you had in mind, but something that's been rather difficult to swallow for me, is when artists denounce their earlier music. Pink Floyd fx have been pretty nasty about Atom Heart Mother, especially Waters and Gilmour.
Now I happen to believe that AHM is a bonafide masterpiece, and that the epic selftitled track is a thing of pure art. A lot of that is obviously down to Ron Geesin's input and guidance, which is why I find it even more disrespectful. It was just as much his baby.

Don't really agree with that. he orchestrated it sure. And had some input in arrangement. Didn't write it though.

Hmm....
Maybe not what you had in mind, but something that's been rather difficult to swallow for me, is when artists denounce their earlier music. Pink Floyd fx have been pretty nasty about Atom Heart Mother, especially Waters and Gilmour.
Now I happen to believe that AHM is a bonafide masterpiece, and that the epic selftitled track is a thing of pure art. A lot of that is obviously down to Ron Geesin's input and guidance, which is why I find it even more disrespectful. It was just as much his baby.

Don't really agree with that. he orchestrated it sure. And had some input in arrangement. Didn't write it though.

He didn't write it no, but he literally put the whole thing together. The Floyd guys each delivered something rather fragmented, and he glued it all together to form the whole as we know it today. He was also in charge of the choral arrangement.

“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

I can't think of any of my favourite prog bands which have not disappointed me in one way or another. It might have been an individual album track or an entire album, perhaps it was a line-up change that left me scratching my head in amazement.

Can you think of any examples?

I might start with Yes thinking that Trevor Horn (ex-The Buggles) was a suitable replacement for Jon Anderson.

I agree! In fact, Yes continues to disappoint without Jon Anderson, at least with Benoit David. Jon Davison is a very good stand-in for Anderson, but they are not the same....Downes just doesn't have the chops from what I've heard. I also don't like their proclivity to play only for casino theaters in the USA, there are many fine venues that are more accessible.

Major record disappointments for me included "Drama" (putting me at odds with most on PA it would appear), "Union," and "Big Generator."

I wish Yes had stuck to the formula that created "Tales from Topographic Oceans"! Over-reach, spiritual themes etc. They made their best music when they pushed themselves to their personal limits.

Creative tension can work wonders in the rock studio, I've experienced it many times. It's not a recording session until at least one breakable object is broken!

I am pretty certain. Saw an interview with Geesin a little while back, that sounded very honest. The only thing he regrets about it all, is the fact that he didn't have more time with the choir, because he felt he could've gotten even more out it.

“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

Tha Mars Volta after making 3 wonderful albums (De-Loused in the Comatorium, Frances the Mute and Amputechture) weren't the same anymore. The Bedlam in Goliath , Octahedron and Noctourniquet (despite liking some tracks) are just "Meh" albums.

It is still sad that the band broke up, I had the hope they returned to the good ol' days.

Hmm....
Maybe not what you had in mind, but something that's been rather difficult to swallow for me, is when artists denounce their earlier music. Pink Floyd fx have been pretty nasty about Atom Heart Mother, especially Waters and Gilmour.
Now I happen to believe that AHM is a bonafide masterpiece, and that the epic selftitled track is a thing of pure art. A lot of that is obviously down to Ron Geesin's input and guidance, which is why I find it even more disrespectful. It was just as much his baby.

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It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.

I actually have a thread idea I've been tossing around. I've noticed that a lot of times when I get into a current band, I seem to catch them right at their peak, and then each succeeding album moves further and further from what excited me about them in the first place. But in the end it just feels like I'm being selfish and expecting bands to stay in one place of my own devising, which isn't really fair.

My other avatar is a Porsche

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.

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