Has anyone seen any astro data on this? There is a full media blackout in effect, the Internet, SMS and mobile service has all been cut off. The Government are trying to silence the people. Gamal, son of Husni Mubarak has feld to London, a wife, daughter and 97 pieces of luggage.

GRAPHIC VIOLENCE in the streets of Cairo. Watch at your own discretion. Heartbreaking.

Saturn is in square to pluto along with jupiter which, is opposing saturn, saturn in libra square to pluto capricorn was an aspect during the american revoultion, this is only the begining of things like this people.............. When uranus hits 0 degrees aries the fun is really going to start. Uranus square pluto was in aspect during both the stock market crash and the vietnam war/counter cultural revoltion. I'm not sure what's going to happen but its likely going to get interesting........ this year and following.

Well, it's a good time to send good vibes to the people of Egypt and anywhere else this is occurring.
I hope non-violence is the norm, and that the timeless gods of ancient Egypt watch over them to come to just and peaceful resolution.
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You know I heard on a podcast recently from a person who works for WikiMedia, the owner of Wikipedia that they're distributing all of the knowledge of Wikipedia in a compressed form on USBs? Can't remember any reference to price etc. but they particularly want people in countries where it's not accessible to be able to access the knowledge of the world.

However, they did say that the vast majority of people contributing are men who are quite defensive of their knowledge, so, maybe not as wide a view as we'd like on the world, it's just a snake party unfortunately.

Notice the emphasis on stars in the reference article: stars-and constellational influences channeled through stars in conjunction/parallel with planets and other horoscopic points-play a DOMINANT role in mundane matters.

PS: does anyone have the time (date and hour) when the first demonstrations in Cairo began?

Notice the emphasis on stars in the reference article: stars-and constellational influences channeled through stars in conjunction/parallel with planets and other horoscopic points-play a DOMINANT role in mundane matters.

PS: does anyone have the time (date and hour) when the first demonstrations in Cairo began?

Speaking of star alignments If you look at the emphmaris for march of this year you wil see the distant planets will be in alignment by either conjunction or oppostion with some pretty nasty natured stars and so will a few of the closer planets on certain days in march add this to the fact the moon will be making squares to saturn and pluto on certain days during said good handful of nasty star aligments, well lets just say all this along with the stress aspects the majority of the distant planets will be in, I fear the worst. I'm not trying to be a chicken little here but an event or more (could be man made, could be natural disater) could happen which, will be enough (not sure how big it will actually be or how many in number) to rock the social and political foundations further.

Also, I think the fixed star changes he's refering to are those to the cardinal points. The aries point which, also determines the astrological age will by 2017 perfect its conjunct to the cursed star scheat. the cursed star markeb will be 1 degree off from the libra point. The cursed star MENKALINAN will have perfected its conjunction to the cancer point. And finally the cursed star sinistra will have perfected its conjunction to the capricorn point. Basically some of these said stars will move from 29 pisces to 0 aries, from 29 gemini to 0 cancer, and finally from 29 sag to 0 capricorn.

Opps I had that wrong its actual saturn/pluto conjunction by sign in the sign of cancer which, was in affect during the bolshevik over throw of the russian goverment. But the saturn/pluto square was in affect during the main phases of the movements formation.

Pluto in Capricorn transits are associated with revolution. Thomas Aquinas posted his doctrine on the doors of the Catholic Church during a Pluto in Capricorn transit.

Hoping to find out more about this, but the line up of planets in Aquarius has got to have a connection to these events. The whole world is watching these revolts, and it may only be the tip of the iceberg. Aquarius and social responsibility go hand in hand.

Saturn in Libra represents of fracturing of the people over their leader. This is a good example of how that plays out in two different charts.

Here we see Saturn in the 3rd House being the Exaltation Ruler of the 4th House and the 4th House Ruler Venus is posited in the 10th House. The 4th House represents political opposition, all opponents and the political party(ies) not in power.

The way this played out was the opposition party regained control of the legislature and also numerous governorships in the several States.

We see something similar here, but this plays out differently because of the location of the Planets by House. Saturn is in the 12th House, signifying secret enemies and rebellious activity, Mars ruling both the 2nd and 7th Houses (also open enemies and opposition but not political opposition) and Moon signifies Mubarak right on the 8th House Cusp.

In Mundane Astrology, we direct the Planets and Chart Points at the rate of 59'08" per day.

When we are using base charts, such as the Grand Conjunction (Jupiter/Saturn in Aries), the Grand Mutation (Jupiter/Saturn in a new Triplicity), the Great Conjunction (an ordinary Jupiter/Saturn conjunction), or the Mars/Saturn Cancer Conjunction, we use 59°08' per year to direct the charts.

So, I'm going to direct Egypt's Aries Ingress chart to January 14, the day that Imams and university professors and opposition leaders called for a general uprising.

Directed Mars has made a partile conjunction with the Ingress Chart's Moon, which signifies not only Mubark, but the masses of people. Note Directed Saturn conjunct the MC and Directed Mercury, ruler of the 12th House in partile trine with the Ingress Chart's Saturn.

Now I'll direct the chart to the first demonstrations held on January 25th, a national holiday in Egypt.

Directed Saturn now partile trines the Ingress Chart's Mercury, while Directed Mars makes a partile sextile to the Ingress Chart's Mercury with Mutual Reception (Mars in Gemini and Mercury in Aries).

Also note Directed Moon in partile opposition to the Ingress Chart's Saturn.

So Saturn is in Libra and all over the world people are not happy with their governments, but the way in which they express their dissent will vary due to a number of factors, mainly the position of the Planets by House. There other considerations as well. Since a Movable Sign is on the Ascendant for Egypt's Aries Ingress Chart, we'd want to look at the Cancer Ingress, plus the New Moon Chart for January, Mubarak's Ascension Chart (for the date/time/location he took office), and at the very least, the Great Conjunction and Mars/Saturn Conjunction Charts to get the full picture.

Saturn will continue to be in Libra for the 2011 Aries Ingress and the 2012 Aries Ingress, and this will pose continued problems for some countries.

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I just am glad someone actually started this thread.
I would very much agree that it's not only Saturn but also (especially?) Pluto in Cap that is creating this restructuring of political systems in the Middle East. Pluto is all about power and restructuring. Esp. in Cap.
But we need more details like what kind of aspects it does to Egypt's planets.
And I'm not clear that Saturn has anything to do with it (after all, Saturn in Libra is supposed to be good in cooperation, collaboration, etc.). Perhaps this is the dictator's own Saturn effects, but I'd rather focus on the country. And for that I think Pluto is a major culprit.

I just am glad someone actually started this thread.
I would very much agree that it's not only Saturn but also (especially?) Pluto in Cap that is creating this restructuring of political systems in the Middle East. Pluto is all about power and restructuring. Esp. in Cap.
But we need more details like what kind of aspects it does to Egypt's planets.
And I'm not clear that Saturn has anything to do with it (after all, Saturn in Libra is supposed to be good in cooperation, collaboration, etc.). Perhaps this is the dictator's own Saturn effects, but I'd rather focus on the country. And for that I think Pluto is a major culprit.

Saturn in libra square pluto in capricorn is collaboration............ AGAINST THE POWERS THAT BE!!!!!

But we need more details like what kind of aspects it does to Egypt's planets.

None.

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And I'm not clear that Saturn has anything to do with it (after all, Saturn in Libra is supposed to be good in cooperation, collaboration, etc.).

That's because you don't practice traditional astrology. Saturn in Libra represents a fracturing of the people over their government and specifically over the head-of-state. Saturn is exalted in Libra. An exalted Planet often represents someone who is haughty and arrogant, perhaps aloof as well. Libra is also a Human Sign.

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Perhaps this is the dictator's own Saturn effects, but I'd rather focus on the country. And for that I think Pluto is a major culprit.

Then you would be practicing Planetology instead of Astrology.

In Astrology, we always look at the Planet in the context of the Sign and House, and then we look at the aspects (if any).

I will grant that Pluto can restructure on occasion, but in order to determine what Pluto is restructuring, you must look at the House that Pluto is transiting.

Pluto is currently transiting Egypt's 9th House, and won't conjunct the MC for another 6 years. Unfortunately, at that time, while Pluto is exactly conjunct the MC, transiting Saturn will be in Sagittarius making a partile Opposition without Reception to Natal Sun on the 9/3 Axis. Note that Natal Jupiter in the 5th House (the eight House from the 10th House) and ruling the 9th House is in partile conjunction with Natal Pluto. Transiting Saturn will be in his own Triplicity and Face and in the Term of Mars.

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But isn't too wide a square at this point? (over 10 degrees orb since Sat is right now at 17d 8' Libra and Pluto at 6d 29' Cap)

Yes, that is way out of orb, by 9.5°. Orbs for transits are 30' of arc.

Regardless, it is totally irrelevant since the Saturn-Pluto square will never perfect (Pluto goes Retrograde while Saturn turns Direct).

That's why we use an ephemeris.

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Sure I know how it's called. What I was saying is that it's a WIDE orb to have any serious effect. In Egypt the uprising is serious; not just a discontent with the government.

Yes but the last time saturn and pluto where even remotely in square in these signs a little thing called the American Revolution happened. Also, with uranus later this year going into square to pluto along with the jupiter opposing saturn and a good handful of negative fixed star combos come due in march this is only the begining of such things for the world.

Sure I know how it's called. What I was saying is that it's a WIDE orb to have any serious effect. In Egypt the uprising is serious; not just a discontent with the government.

That's correct. Persian and Medieval astrologers paid very little attention to transits and on the few occasions they looked at transits, they certainly didn't use Whole Sign aspects.

The reason we use orbs with transits (and such tight orbs) is because in practice, that's the only thing that works.

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Yes but the last time saturn and pluto where even remotely in square in these signs a little thing called the American Revolution happened. Also, with uranus later this year going into square to pluto along with the jupiter opposing saturn and a good handful of negative fixed star combos come due in march this is only the begining of such things for the world.

That's just bad astrology.

Pluto was at 28° Capricorn when the War of Colonial Independence began (if you can show evidence the Colonies invaded Britain, over-threw King George and instituted a new government then you can claim there was a "revolution" -- otherwise you're just spouting American political propaganda), and Pluto was transiting the 2nd House (the Sibley Propaganda Chart is the wrong chart but it does have the correct rising Sign -- Sagittarius).

Saturn in the 11th House square Pluto in the 2nd House isn't about civil wars.

The England 1066 Chart has a Capricorn MC but there was no "revolution" in the UK, so your argument fails miserably (there were no "revolutions" anywhere).

In fact, Pluto in Capricorn as "political transformation" is a total failure, and the transit of Pluto through Capricorn in the early 1500s is really embarrassing, just as Pluto in Capricorn in the late 1200s is.

If you want to make a generalized statement about Pluto in Capricorn, then you can say "economic turmoil."

That was the case for the late 1200s (the earliest point at which we have any semblance of written financial data or commentaries about the finances of kingdoms and countries), again in the early 1500s, and again in the mid-1700s, where we can pinpoint problems to the collapse of the East India Trading Company that resulted in a "credit crunch" leading to rolling recessions throughout the world (and yes, that would include China and Japan).

Trade between Britain and its New World Colonies came to a virtual stand-still, which reduced the Crown's income. That was the reason for the Stamp Tax Act, the Tea Tax Act, and various other Acts that attempted to squeeze money from the Colonies and colonists.

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These very long transits through (entire) signs by the outers is one of the reasons I have been looking at them transiting (ingressing through) the decans: when I tested the elemental decans (ie the ones usually applied in Modernist-and also Vedic-astrology) I didn't really see anything much; but when I used the Manilius decans I found several very interesting connections.
I pretty much accept that political revolution is under Uranus much moreso than under Pluto (indeed I really don't connect Pluto with political revolution at all); Charles Carter's researches found (political) revolution to be more frequent under Neptune than Uranus, and, although-like my use of decans with the outers-I cannot (yet) make any definite statements, it does seem to me that Neptune's connection with revolution (we are taking about policitical revolution here) might be well be closer than most of us think.

That's correct. Persian and Medieval astrologers paid very little attention to transits and on the few occasions they looked at transits, they certainly didn't use Whole Sign aspects.

The reason we use orbs with transits (and such tight orbs) is because in practice, that's the only thing that works.

That's just bad astrology.

Pluto was at 28° Capricorn when the War of Colonial Independence began (if you can show evidence the Colonies invaded Britain, over-threw King George and instituted a new government then you can claim there was a "revolution" -- otherwise you're just spouting American political propaganda), and Pluto was transiting the 2nd House (the Sibley Propaganda Chart is the wrong chart but it does have the correct rising Sign -- Sagittarius).

Saturn in the 11th House square Pluto in the 2nd House isn't about civil wars.

The England 1066 Chart has a Capricorn MC but there was no "revolution" in the UK, so your argument fails miserably (there were no "revolutions" anywhere).

In fact, Pluto in Capricorn as "political transformation" is a total failure, and the transit of Pluto through Capricorn in the early 1500s is really embarrassing, just as Pluto in Capricorn in the late 1200s is.

If you want to make a generalized statement about Pluto in Capricorn, then you can say "economic turmoil."

That was the case for the late 1200s (the earliest point at which we have any semblance of written financial data or commentaries about the finances of kingdoms and countries), again in the early 1500s, and again in the mid-1700s, where we can pinpoint problems to the collapse of the East India Trading Company that resulted in a "credit crunch" leading to rolling recessions throughout the world (and yes, that would include China and Japan).

Trade between Britain and its New World Colonies came to a virtual stand-still, which reduced the Crown's income. That was the reason for the Stamp Tax Act, the Tea Tax Act, and various other Acts that attempted to squeeze money from the Colonies and colonists.

First off a good portion of astrology shows what might happen not what is going to happen indefinetly. Also, I said saturn in libra square pluto in capricorn (not just pluto in capricorn) and I meantioned a whole bunch of planeterary configurations and star combinations being involved in all this. Yes I agree economic turmoil is a better overall fit for pluto in capricorn. Also, ecomomic trumoil can (KEY WORD!!!!!!!!) lead to political revolution.

I don't see Mubarak stepping down any time soon. I'll have to look at the 2011 Chart in more detail, but just glancing at it, he's not stepping down in September.

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