hey presto, sad news when its a supposed charity involved ( meant to do good ) but a fine example why Pat’s star spangled banner thread is soo off-kilter out of touch out of date and out os style . wake up pat your country stinks , its become a swamp . needs draining .
Gonna take more than a few gator-boats to drain this one pal

There is zero evidence that Bill and Melinda Gates or Warren Buffett engaged in any of this looting of charities or other fraud. They’ve donated heavily, and they’ve worked hard to ensure that every nickel was well spent.

The Clintons, I wouldn’t put it past them for a minute. Like Trump, they are grifters. Its what they do.

While I don’t doubt the Trump Foundations practices may not be on the up and up, I don’t think a lawsuit should have been commenced if there was nothing worthy of a criminal prosecution. It looks political and will be portrayed as such.

oversight of spending at Trump’s foundation was so loose that its board of directors hadn’t met in 19 years, and its official treasurer wasn’t even aware that he was on the board.

Instead, she said, the foundation came to serve the spending needs of Trump — and then, in 2016, the needs of his presidential campaign. She cited emails from Trump campaign staff members, directing which charities should receive gifts from the Trump Foundation, and in what amounts.

Where is their investigation into the Clinton Foundation where there is real evidense of criminal activity.

The sexual predator who was the NY AG never brought this forward because there is no there there, but the Troll who was promoted to replace the predator thinks she can do something with it…. pathetic but good luck.

There is no evidence that I’ve seen of Clinton Foundation fraud ( though that Uranium One thing was a nice try ) but there is evidence of Trump Foundation fraud in his own handwriting ( payment of business fines by the foundation )

And let’s be absolutely honest here, if it really came to people in authority being imprisoned for misuse of funds, in particular misuse of public funds, every single member of every single government on the planet, would be behind bars.

Ever get the feeling that this Hannity/Trump hysteria about ” Clinton Foundation ” was all just the hugest diversion to draw attention from the crystal clear fraud that happened at the Trump Foundation and at the entirely fraudulent Trump University?

People being accused of miuse of funds is one thing. You and I have both stated that in our opinions that taxes aren’t used appropriately. What’s being alleged here is at best embezzlement and at worst theft. And BTW, it’s a tort case as opposed to a criminal case, (at least at this stage), so it’ll only be a financial penalty as opposed to a custodial one.

It’s my understanding that the Trump Fpundation is a separate entity from the Trump Corporation and subsequently has no relation with Trump employees.

Clinton was in the government and then started a foundation that took in cash for government access.

Who told you that?

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Charities are regulated. The organizer of a charity isn’t supposed to be using it to further his financial interests. Are you quite sure that Trump never used the charity to help himself in Mar A Lago?

Jude – not on a whim, but in a deliberate political move to curry favor with anti Trump voters in NY. Again I don’t doubt his foundation has issues, but to only go after civil malfeasance seems a mistake. If it is not criminal the NY AG should have better things to concentrate on.

just some obs for you guys , esp the fact-shy like patty
The Clinton Foundation is not being sued by the Attorney General of New York.
The Trump Foundation is being sued by the Attorney General of New York.

The Clinton Foundation has an A rating.
The Trump Foundation was shut down.

Because they’ve been shielded by the FBI and DOJ, parts of the permanent, deep state.

Yeah, I’ve heard that ‘theory’ before Pete. You’d think that with the huge amount of cash and legal expertise floating around the American right they’d be able to bring a civil case against them wouldn’t you?

I am a small c conservative who rejects the Democrat and Republican crime machines and who also rejects individual corruption in such cases as the Clintons and the entire Trump crime family.

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I note that Pete changes his views any time a new charismatic American politician stumbles onto the stage ( Ron Paul one year, Donald Trump the next ) . I also note that neither he, nor Patrick, nor Patty have ever in my viewing criticized Trump for any matter, large or small, including Trump University, which is probably their alma mater.

Here’s the deal: there are basically 3 political power bases now in the USA.

1. Establishment. These are the “Elites” and this includes most of the DC media, most of the career bureaucrats in DC, and a large part of the Democrat and Republican parties (the Uniparty). These people are educated in the Ivy Leagues and consider themselves better, a cut above most ordinary Americans. They self-enrich through contacts, moving in and out of power circles – first in govt., then in media, maybe in think tanks etc. They work for themselves and also for lobbyists.

2. Trump people: These are ordinary Americans and includes Republicans/Democrats/Independents. They have been ignored for the better part of 30 years. They have old fashion America values (hard work, law and order, honest, patriotic) and a “live and let live” attitude towards private lifestyle decisions. They have watched the country be hallowed out in the name of “free trade” which is really another form of colonialism – exploiting 3rd world countries for the enrichment of international company holders (the Elites) and they are fed up.

Because I want to be sure that everyone is covered for health care, and that I don’t want them exposed to financial devastation if someone gets sick?

The Axis of Stupid is in favor not of big or small government, but supports stupid government, including sending my hard earned money to Israel and having presidents who start military wars against the wrong countries ( Bush ) or economic wars against the wrong countries ( Trump ) while cuddling up to dictators and murderers ( Trump )

Phantom – my concern is that it will be seen as a partisan effort and while possibly in the right the overall benefit seems slim. It also detracts from the more serious investigations and might result in the more serious one being portrayed as the same.

The smallest gift the Trump Foundation dispersed was $7 to the Boy Scouts in 1989, when the registration fee was $7 and Don. Jr. was 11. The largest gift of $264,631 covered a fountain renovation outside Trump’s Plaza Hotel that enhanced the view.

His closest prior association with the group appears to have come in 1989, when his charitable foundation made the smallest donation it ever gave—$7—to the Boy Scouts of America, as David Fahrenthold has reported. His son, Donald Trump Jr., turned 11 that year; $7 was then the cost of registering a new Scout.

If he’d read to the end of the Scout Law, he’d have learned that “a Scout is…reverent.” We could use some more reverence, I could tell you.

The Trump Foundation statement isn’t even a non-denial, it’s pretty much a de facto admission they funneled money from donors into a nonprofit and back into into cherry picked special interest groups as a political quid pro quo.

I hope the Mueller investigation goes on for at least another year….. nothing exonerates Trump more. For two years they have been digging into Trump with a fine tooth comb. They have looked in every aspect of his campaign, business, and personal life.

Guese what ???? they haven’t found shit. They have nada, nothing, bupkis, on him. I would have never believed he was this clean. This guys an obnoxious dog, but he has not broken a single crime.

Everyone that has been charged with anything so far has had absolutely no involvement with Trump in what they have been charged for…. hell Manafort’s crimes he committed with the Podesta’s

They can’t find a single thing to charge Trump with, whod a thunk it….. lol

But with the first of 3 IG reports delivered today 5 former FBI officials are being recommended for criminal investigation for multiple crimes. Starting with Comey, Strzok, and Page.

This IG report was just the first of the 3 and revealed definit crimes were committed by Members of the FBI and DOJ.

McCabes indictment investigation for criminal misconduct has been under way, now 5 more will begin.

What does the Report say… that x did this crime and here’s how? NO It says the Agents and supervisors in the Hillary investigation broke procedures and laws in the way the investigation was conducted and these 5 were involved.

Which of 5 committed which exact crimes, and the motives need a full criminal investigation.

Things move at a snails pace, but the corruption of our justice system has been exposed and will be prosecuted.

Including targeted donations to groups in Iowa just before the Iowa caucuses.

I respect where mahons is coming from, but I disagree – this demands action on the part of an attorney general, otherwise there shouldn’t be attorneys general. And it won’t come from the Florida AG Pam Bondi, because she’s compromised – Trump gave significant money to her campaign. She should have prosecuted the Mar A Lago incident, but she won’t prosecute her buddy.

I just don’t see how any honest person can say that there isn’t evidence of crime / misconduct / breach of any and all fiduciary duties here.

So Phantom ask yourself a question, the NYAG office has had this info for several years. The previous AG was a much better prosecutor (when he was wasn’t beating women) and he didn’t go forward with it even though he went after Trump several times….

For example, chemical giant Monsanto has partnered with the Gates Foundation, which reportedly works to suppress local seed exchanges and environmentally sustainable agricultural practices through its global agricultural charity work. Fraud-prone drug giant GlaxoSmithKline is a partner in the Foundation’s work to leverage its own relatively fractional contribution to vaccination efforts, so that it centrally controls enormous world funds for purchase, pricing, and delivery of vaccines for world public health. And in its U.S. education reform charity work, the Gates Foundation has increasingly shifted its funding to promote market domination by its British corporate education services partner, Pearson Education.

The Gates Foundation, and Gates personally, also own stock and reap profits from many of these same partner corporations. In addition, the Foundation owns a profit-generating portfolio of stocks which would seem to work against the Foundation’s declared missions, such as the Latin American Coca-Cola FEMSA distributorship and five multinational oil giants operating in Nigeria. These corporate investments, now moved to a blind trust whose trustees are Bill and Melinda Gates, are collaterally supported by the Foundation’s tax-free lobbying and advocacy activities.

I saw this in action recently when David Cameron was PM. Gates and Cameron were gladhanding following the PM’s announcement that the British government was going to donate several £million to some project that the Gates Foundation was involved in. Needless to say, the UK government’s contribution was much larger than that of the GF AND the direct suppliers of the drugs for the venture were companies in which the GF was heavily invested.

This is theft, fraud, leveraged philanthropy, whatever – these are thieves and conmen.

This latest attack on Trump is part of the percussive assault and continues from the failed ‘Russian meddling’ effort. But those behind these attacks have not thought this one through for, if Trump’s Foundation is able to manipulate tax exemptions and channel money to his benefit, so can all Foundations. These Foundations are a tax-wheeze for billionaire shysters and must be ended. The tax exemptions are worth $trillions and merely end up in the pockets of the rich – and this attack could make their practices visible to the public.

It’s fun to watch the Trumpistas keep squealing when their hero is exposed for the useless charlatan-jerk that he is. Let’s recap:

A serial compulsive liar
A serial adulterer
A petulant narcissist who reneges on a G7 agreement with a Twitter tantrum from Airforce One
A part-time president who spends hours every day watching TV and every weekend on the golf course

And the rest.

Kim whatever his name is will have no confidence in the “deal” signed this week being honoured. It could be dead in the water tomorrow if Trumpo has second thoughts after watching Fox and Freinds and unleashes another Twitter barrage. And if that happens, his groupies hereabouts will lap it up as always.

If you think the investigations of YOUR side only arise because of politics or “witch hunts,” consider that some of your side’s prominent figures seem to get investigated much more than others, and why that might be.

And to sum up the IG report today; Justice Dept Inspector General concluded that bias did NOT affect Clinton email investigation, that FBI had PROPER reasons for declining to prosecute her, and that the only improper actions influencing 2016 election were actions that damaged Clinton, not Trump.

And back on topic… somehow, the Trump Foundation, which is essentially a wooden shack with the sign “Do Crimes Here” attached, received an order of magnitude less scrutiny than the Clinton Foundation, which at least did actual charitable work.

Ex-Rep. Farenthold says he won’t pay for election to …https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics/blake-farenthold-greg…
May 03, 2018 · Rep. Blake Farenthold resigns from Congress 00:55 Washington (CNN)Former GOP Rep. Blake Farenthold of Texas said in an open letter dated Wednesday that he would not pay for the special election to replace him.

have you been drinking?

If not please provide any link that shines light on what you’re talking about…. I know you wouldn’t lie.

One thing the IG report did reveal was a reason why comey couldn’t prosecute her for her felony avoidance of the Federal Records Act….. it seams he was committing the same felony and was using a private email off the of the official government network to do government business he didn’t want monitored.

Blake Farenthold (TX R) sticks in the brain after he sexually assaulted a staffer, paid her off to the tune of $80K with tax payer dollars and refused to reimburse the government after he abruptly resigned after coming under investigation and censure.

So far we’ve got an FBI agent treasonously talking about subverting an election, a fact deliberately hidden from us until now, and confirmation that Hillary exposed secret documents to foreign actors. And an FBI director was committing the same Felony he was investigating her for using a privet email to hide from the records act…… Any other pickles coming off this nothingburger report?

If the appropriate government agency (IRS, Federal Election Commission)decides it is likely the Trump Foundation committed crimes they should be charged. In addition to serving justice it would send a powerful message to anyone else who uses charitable foundations in such a way. The Trumps probably set up this foundation as a way to dodge taxes. The word charity and Trump do not go together, but Trump and dodging taxes do go together if you recall the missing tax returns.

the rest of your spiel is grumbling, what-aboutery, nit picking,whining, trying to weave unwind unravel the past .. its a futile exercise.
All that matters all that counts are the figures – the numbers – THE TRUTH in other words

President Donald Trump stunned his fellow world leaders at the G7 meeting when he said he would ship “25 million” Mexicans to Japan, which would result in Prime Minister Shinzo Abe losing his next election.

“Shinzo, you don’t have this problem, but I can send you 25 million Mexicans and you’ll be out of office very soon,” Trump said, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing a senior EU official who was in the room.

Paul Manafort tampering with witnesses, trying to get his story straight, so as to take the heat off, judge had to keep him in custody .. the noose is certainly tightening .
Gotta love the way Trump distances himself in interviews about these guys who were once tight with him, he’s almost disowned his lawyer . the behaviour is exactly what you’d expect from a crime lord a mafiosa type .. still shocking .. he’s the POTUS ..

Harri , shut up you’re on ignore
you’re set to ruin the threads AGAIN for everyone
I have said nothing to you all day then you’re vicious attacks in the last hour
shows you have no interest in debate or how your behaviour effects other

Harri you’re a bore , now fuck off

sorry guys I have a deranged stalker that won’t leave me alone, follows me on threads
wants attention, like a big baby. I’ll return when baby is in bed and adults can converse
adios ..

“Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort has had his bail revoked by a Washington DC judge and has been ordered to jail pending trial. Robert Mueller, who is investigating alleged Russian election interference, accuses him of trying to tamper with potential witnesses before the trial.

Mr Manafort was accused of using encrypted mobile phone apps to contact people in breach of his bail terms. He faces charges of tax fraud, money laundering, and illegal lobbying.”

There is no doubt that Trump and the crime family have done very unethical things with the charity, including using it for political gain ( targeted contributions in Iowa right before the caucuses, as directed by campaign staff ) and using the charity to settle his business debts ( flagpole dispute with the town, Mar A Lago )

I hope that Trump is a modern-day Samson and uses the corruption (if true) of his ‘Foundation’ to bring down the criminal edifice of all ‘foundations’ which are a tax-evasion system for the very rich and powerful.

The Canadian news is full of lists of American made goods not to buy and stories of canceled trips to the US. I don’t know how effective the government to government tariffs will be but the grass roots kick back will surely be noticed. Empty hotels and malls will get attention. I have heard many Australians are also canceling trips to the states and I wonder how many other countries citizens are taking unofficial action

Donald Trump had no choice but to blow $10,000 in charity money on a giant painting of himself — because no one else wanted it, his lawyers claimed in court Thursday.

Trump picked up the infamous painting — now at the center of a lawsuit brought by the state attorney general who alleges suspect spending by the charity — during a 2014 auction benefiting The Unicorn Foundation at his Mar-a-Lago country club in Florida.

“So Mr. Trump donates $10,000 to start the bidding, and then when the bidding goes on and no one else bids, they’re stuck with the painting,” his attorney Alan Futerfas told Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Saliann Scarpulla as he asked for the case to be dismissed.

And so the “Art of the Deal” author got the raw end of the deal and wound up having to plunk down $10,000 on the portrait. But rather than fork over the dough himself, Trump billed his own Donald J. Trump Foundation for the cost.

Prosecutors say Trump also used charitable foundation money to pay off his creditors, decorate one of his golf clubs with the portrait, and boost his presidential campaign.

The Trump Crime Family is shutting down the Trump Foundation, which they had looted for personal and political gain.

President Trump has agreed to shut down his embattled personal charity amid allegations that he used it for his personal and political benefit and to give away its remaining money, New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood announced Tuesday.

Underwood said that the Donald J. Trump Foundation is dissolving as her office pursues its lawsuit against the charity, Trump and his three eldest children.

The suit, filed in June, alleged “persistently illegal conduct” at the foundation and sought to have it shut down. Underwood is continuing to seek more than $2.8 million in restitution and has asked a judge to ban the Trumps temporarily from serving on the boards of other New York nonprofit organizations.

Washington Post

Everything this crook has accused others of doing, Trump has done himself.

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