With 12 million Americans tuning in daily, controversial syndicated radio- show host Laura Schlessinger  known to all as "Dr. Laura"  is arguably the best-known Orthodox Jew in the United States.

Rather, she was.

In a little-noticed pronouncement, Schlessinger  who very publicly converted to Judaism five years ago  opened her radio show, "The Dr. Laura Schlessinger Program," with the revelation that she will no longer practice Judaism. Although Schlessinger says she still "considers" herself Jewish, "My identifying with this entity and my fulfilling the rituals, etcetera, of the entity  that has ended."

And with that, Orthodox Judaism lost its loudest mouthpiece and its most prominent "rabbi," as it were, with the largest American pulpit  with the exception of, perhaps, presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman.

Syndicated nationally since 1994, Schlessinger has won over listeners with her hard-edged advice and razor-sharp tongue. Yet her brash style, not to mention her espousal of a strict "moral health" code  including controversial condemnations of homosexuality as "a biological error"  put her at odds with wide swaths of the Jewish community. Many found her moralist, black-and-white, you're-with-me-or-against-me stance more representative of evangelical Christians than of Jews, who were often among her most outspoken critics.

Nonetheless, even Schlessinger's detractors were shocked by the news. "I can't tell you how significant this is," said fellow Jewish media star and "Kosher Sex" author Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, who has sparred with Schlessinger over her comments on homosexuality. "Dr. Laura always equated her morals and ethics with Jewish morals and ethics. That placed the American Jewish community in a real fix; on the one hand, she made Judaism very popular, on the other, she made it vilified and hated by many people."

"I think Judaism is better off not being saddled and directly associated with Dr. Laura's means," he said, adding, "although she is still a Jew."

Schlessinger began her program last Tuesday by noting that, prior to each broadcast, she spends an hour reading faxes from fans and listeners. "By and large the faxes from Christians have been very loving, very supportive," she said. "From my own religion, I have either gotten nothing, which is 99% of it, or two of the nastiest letters I have gotten in a long time. I guess that's my point  I don't get much back. Not much warmth coming back."

Schlessinger even hinted at a possible turn to Christianity  a move that, radio insiders say, would elevate her career far beyond the 300 stations that currently syndicate her show. "I have envied all my Christian friends who really, universally, deeply feel loved by God," she said. "They use the name Jesus when they refer to God... that was a mystery, being connected to God."

In her 25 years on radio, Schlessinger said she was moved "time and time again" by listeners who wrote and described that they had "joined a church, felt loved by God and that was my anchor."

Michael Medved, a conservative, nationally syndicated, radio talk-show host, celebrated the Sabbath with Schlessinger about a year ago. "We had talked about having Shabbat again," he said. When he heard of Schlessinger's defection, "My first response was to pick up the phone and try and expedite [the visit]."

"I think it's a shame," he said. "Though, of course, she was controversial in some eyes, she is one of the most admired women in America. Having the most admired woman in America speak joyously about Passover, Shabbat and Jewish lifestyle events  all of that was quite wonderful."

Of her conversion to Judaism, "I felt that I was putting out a tremendous amount toward that mission, that end, and not feeling return, not feeling connected, not feeling that inspired," Schlessinger said. "Trust me, I've talked to rabbis, I've read, I've prayed, I've agonized and I came to this place anyway  which is not exactly back to the beginning, but more in that direction than not."

"Was Laura naive to think, 'gosh, I'll be the queen of the Jews?' Yes, she was naive," said Medved. "Part of that comes from not growing up in the Jewish community. It's so rare to find a celebrity embrace of Jewish religiosity of any kind, I can see why Laura would think her very public embrace would have led to a more enthusiastic reaction. But given all the crosscurrents and controversies that divide our community, I can see why that expectation was wrong."

In 2001, despite the controversy surrounding her, the National Council of Young Israel honored Schlessinger for her "traditional American values." Rabbi Pesach Lerner, the executive director of Young Israel, was surprised by Schlessinger's defection but declined to comment on it.

Born to a Jewish father and an Italian Catholic mother, Schlessinger was raised in Brooklyn in a home that was without religion. Approximately 10 years ago, prompted by a question from her son during a viewing of a Holocaust documentary, Schlessinger, 56, began exploring her Jewish roots.

Yet last week's revelation was far from the first time Schlessinger has been wracked with religious doubts. Lacking a religious background, she has spent a lifetime searching for that missing something, and "each thing I tried left me feeling empty," she told Philadelphia's Inside magazine in 1998. Having already undergone a Conservative conversion in 1997, after a debacle with the Jewish Federation of Greater Dallas  a now-legendary affair in which she allegedly rejected three hotel suites, wouldn't ride in taxis and offended the entire audience at a $500 plate fundraiser  Schlessinger was tempted to give up on Judaism completely, but decided to undergo an Orthodox conversion instead.

"A large part of me wanted to make a statement after that experience, to stand even taller about Jewish values," she told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency in 2001. "Besides, if you don't have an Orthodox conversion, you can't get buried in Israel. I want to be close to ground zero."

Rabbi Reuven Bulka, a fellow radio host who presided over Schlessinger's Orthodox conversion, said he was "stunned" by his friend's 180-degree turn. "It didn't make my day, shall we say."

"She obviously has a tremendous impact," said the congregational rabbi from Ottawa, Ont. "When she went through the evolutionary stage of her journey, a lot of people were inspired by her own excitement about it. I can't tell you I know 100 people who became Sabbath observant because of it, but certainly it was a feel-good message for a lot of people. That these feel-good messages won't be coming anymore is certainly a loss."

Other Jews within earshot are far from sad to see her go. "I don't think this is any great loss to the Jewish universe," said Susan Weidman Schneider, the executive editor of Lilith magazine. "I don't think she was a particularly effective or useful spokesperson. She doubtless alienated more people than she drew toward Judaism."

"So, let her say she's no longer a practicing Jew," she added. "Let her be just a garden variety, anti-choice conservative."

"I still see myself as a Jew," Schlessinger said on the air last week. "But the spiritual journey and that direction, as hardcore as I was at it, just didn't fulfill something in me that I needed."

"All I know is, in my experiences with her  which have been considerable  I haven't known her to do anything less than 100%," Bulka said. "Anything she did, she did fully. The scary thing is if she said she's leaving, it's very forboding."

"I thought she was a tough little lady  I didn't think she'd chicken out so easily," said Rabbi Isaac Levy, the chairman of Jews for Morality, who has staunchly supported Schlessinger's conservative agenda. "She's gotten a couple of kicks in the chin and she's succumbed to it."

"It seems incredible that an ethicist and moralist of her standing would invoke such shallow arguments," said Boteach, who was en route to an appearance on the titillating syndicated television show "Blind Date." "I never got great applause from my work from the Jewish community  but my people are my people, whether they love or hate me."

(You said that you Flinch when your brother mentions Jesus....Why do you do that...I think it's very telling...and I think you know why you do it....yu will come to grips with it someday....God Willing)

Not to get into a theological argument, which will probably happen, now, but the Bible says our G-d is one. I would flinch in same way if he praised Zeus.

If there was a Jesus, he was here to lead the gentiles to Judaism, and vice versa.

Incomplete is a good word. Christianity is the completion of Judaism. That's why it's called the Leap of Faith. We have taken that next step.

Judaism is a complete religion, but you are fully entitled to have another belief system if you wish to. As I stated, Jews are not taught to be arrogant about their religion, merely to practice it. That's why we don't seek to convert.

Even so, a disproportionately large number of librtarians are also atheists......

So true and usually they try and deny this. I will flat out say that legalizing poisons such as heroin, crack and meth is a Godless act. The devil loves to see people shoot up dope and become more open to his imprecations.

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posted on 08/17/2003 5:29:50 AM PDT
by dennisw
(G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)

If you notice, I have not attacked any poster in this thread, nor did I say one negative word about Christianity, nor did I try and convince anyone that Judaism is for them. All I did was state my opinon of the article, and Dr. Laura, and give my opinion of Islam, when asked. If you don't agree with my opinion fine with me. If you feel compelled to attack me, that is your problem.

Never mind that you have no business presuming you can judge the spiritual condition of someone else.

This article was posted to engender debate. It's about religion. As I stated, I found Dr. Laura to be hypocrital and preachy long before this, I am entitled to my opinon. :)

An atheist libertarian (who is also part Jewish) told me that Spinoza said that there can be more than one chosen people, and that even if someone is chosen, they might only be chosen for a specific task at a specific period in history. I thought that was an interesting perspective.

Not to get into a theological argument, which will probably happen, now, but the Bible says our G-d is one. I would flinch in same way if he praised Zeus.

FWIW, the New Agers take the opposite tact. They say that God is one, in that he is in everything, as in "I am God." So if you were to praise Zeus, or yourself, or the sun, you're really praising God, since he's in everything. Pantheism, I think it's called.

"And with that, Orthodox Judaism lost its loudest mouthpiece and its most prominent "rabbi," as it were, with the largest American pulpit  with the exception of, perhaps, presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman. "

Poor orthodox jews... They should talk Lieberman into renouncing he faith too just so he's not the only one with camera time trying to speak for them.

Schlessinger began her program last Tuesday by noting that, prior to each broadcast, she spends an hour reading faxes from fans and listeners. "By and large the faxes from Christians have been very loving, very supportive," she said. "From my own religion, I have either gotten nothing, which is 99% of it, or two of the nastiest letters I have gotten in a long time. I guess that's my point  I don't get much back. Not much warmth coming back."

Your interpretation of what she said is different from mine. Unless you're psychic, she's talking about faxes and letters from her fans, saying "[b]y and large the faxes from Christians have been very loving, very supportive" but faxes from members of her own religion are described this way" "I have either gotten nothing, which is 99% of it, or two of the nastiest letters I have gotten in a long time. I guess that's my point  I don't get much back. Not much warmth coming back."

I had a couple Canadians, but I traded them for a bass guitar and a scanner. They make good pets -- just keep 'em out of the sun and don't let 'em get drunk.

Pets!? Pets!? I wasn't thinking of keeping them for pets! Pets are a lot of trouble--you have to feed them, exercise them, take them to the vet, groom them, etc. ad infinitum. Dogs and horses are enough in that department, thanks. No, I was thinking of keeping the Canadians as slaves, for goodness' sake. How do they work out as field hands and house slaves? Any good?

And religion is about one's relationship with God, not about one's relationship with one's fanbase.

Certainly, but the way we see God, most oft, is by observing His followers. She appears to have seen more of God--his mercy, judgment, and grace--through her Christian audience than through her Jewish audience.

Maybe Dr. Laura's Jewish listeners were more disturbed by her hypocrisy. Since Jews tend to be live and let live, perhaps her moralistic tone, which turned out to be a facade, grated on them.

Anyone whose life becomes public property is going to have some measure of his/her hypocrisy exposed. Hypocrisy is with us. It doesn't follow, however, that unrestricted "live and let live" is a logical response to hypocrisy. Serial monogamy and children left behind without parents would be wrong even if it were a message expounded by an adulterer. If any sizeable portion of her Jewish audience were arguing against God's law, her response was understandable.

Anyone whose life becomes public property is going to have some measure of his/her hypocrisy exposed.

Only if one sets oneself up as a paragon of virtue, which Dr. Laura did, all the while making exceptions for herself regarding rules she imperiously dictated to others. Her religious conversion to Judaism was obviously shallow and made for the wrong reasons, *as will the next one be*, as she searches for something that will bring her the EGO gratification she appears to so desperately require.

"I felt that I was putting out a tremendous amount toward that mission, that end, and not feeling return, not feeling connected, not feeling that inspired. Trust me, I've talked to rabbis, I've read, I've prayed, I've agonized and I came to this place anyway (emphasis mine)..."

Quite a difference from your assumption that she just read a few emails, that and her faith was so shallow, she changed it based on the emails alone. You are making quite an accusation with such flimsy evidence as a tiny snippet from an article.

I have never understood how Christians can find Judasim to be anything but the Father of their own religion. And Christian anti-semitism is cognitive dissonance in the extreme.

I pretty much share your take on Dr. Laura. She really did preach a good game, but I'm shocked at the words she chose to defend her disavowal of Judasim. FEELINGS? I mean, really.

Nobody can count the number of hapless callers who began their on-air plea for help w/her, lamenting that they weren't feeling good about such and such, only to be lambasted by her telling them that she wasn't interested in their feelings, as feelings were transitory, and not substantive enough to base a decision on.

And while I don't want to too harshly judger her on the occurrence w/her mother, it is shocking that she could have remained deceased for so long without anyone in the family knowing about it. She has counseled even children who were abused, and whose Mothers enabled the abuse to continue by their living in denial, to make sure that their parents had the basics that were necessary for life. Talk about not passing the smell test!

I remember her saying once that the Torah taught that just because something was true, that was not license to verbalize it. Yet she seemed to take such relish in calling women SLUT! And that's what it was that was always so off-putting about her, she seemed to so enjoy meting out the lashes. That's what made her on-air personality so objectionable to me, and to many others I would guess.

People who calls her program already know she will come down on them. If you married a man who left his wife for you and you wanted sympathy from her when he did the same thing to you then you out of luck. Notice cheating husbands never call, it' s always the victims. Lying, cheating men know better.

Not to put too fine a point on it, and certainly not necessarily to contradict you, but the Romans killed Christ. They used Syrian mercenaries to drive the nails. The Jewish authorities were perhaps not blameless but the killing was done to satisfy a Roman sentence that the Jews of the time were prohibited from imposing.

Any historical guilt, as irrational as that concept is, must be born by the heirs to the Roman empire or the Syrian mercenaries if anybody must.

Between you and I and the gatepost, Dr. Laura does come across as imperious and a bit impetuous in her on air presence. But... she runs an ADVICE talk show. Ever listen to Rush? Tom Leykis? (Gag) Larry King? All of these folks have a kill button in front of them and they give themselves the last word on everything. That's the nature of the format. Dr. Laura deals with terribly confused and befogged callers who usually need a rhetorical slap in the face. Her advice, nevertheless--and I imagine her personal life--have moved in a consistent direction--towards objectivity, God's law, and political conservatism. She's right most of the time--and that galls the licentious left. That's a good thing.

Theoretical religion is not the exclusive provence of religious leaders, farmer18th. I study the theoretical basis of religion on my own, and if I decide a point in a certain way, no "leader" is going to change my mind based upon his authority to proclaim the truth. He'd better be able to show me why his understanding is better than mine.

My sentiments exactly. I was merely indicating that applied theology is what occurs during the week, and that, however eloquent the theoretical theologians may be, they can't make a herd of sickly sheep look healthy. "By ther fruits you shall know them." (Divorcing Baptists take note..)

Well in reality your wrong on a technicality. Jewish is a religion not an ethnicity. The term when translated is Hebrew. Your mother needs to be Hebrew to be considered a Hebrew. In the English language Jewish has become a catch all for Hebrew.

Exactly--The religion is Judaism but not an ethnicity. Not even the Old Testament or the Torah claims that you are a Jew by birth because you have to attain that through ritual circumsion, studies and other ritual rites like Bar'Mitzvah. What has gotten mistranslated over time in English is that you need to have your mother be "Hebrew" to be "Hebrew" ypurself.

Veronica....with all due respect, it's almost impossible to go from believing in Jesus's salvation to NOT believing. That's why there are no converts....they are offered nothing.

Hardly anyone, other than someone who wants to get married....and my guess is that they cross their fingers when doing it, convert to Judaism. You have a true religion, just not a complete one. Truth is truth.....it's not meant to offend.

Genesis...Then God sad, 'Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness, to have dominion over the fish in the sea, the birds of he air, the cattle, all he wld animals on land, and everything that reeps on the earth.'

So WHO do you think US, and "OUR" meant...as in OUR Likeness? It's Jesus he was talking about.

Veronica....with all due respect, it's almost impossible to go from believing in Jesus's salvation to NOT believing. That's why there are no converts....they are offered nothing. Hardly anyone, other than someone who wants to get married....and my guess is that they cross their fingers when doing it, convert to Judaism.

"With all due respect" what incredible arrogance and bigotry. It's clear you have no idea what Judaism is about. Though Judaism does not seek converts, many people in fact, do convert to Judaism. Without any evangelizing from members of the Jewish faith.

Just one example, though I should not even bother to respond to your absurd post.

On June 19, 1998, I converted to Judaism, ending 31 years of spiritual wandering and starting another wonderful journey that will take me the rest of my life to complete, if it ever truly is complete.

The conversion process was wonderful and magical! I had the opportunity to actively open up a whole new world for myself, to explore my thoughts and feelings on many issues and finally find peace with myself. What brought me here? Why did I choose Judaism? Well, read on.

I was born a Protestant Christian. Until about sixth or seventh grade, I believed strongly that Jesus was the Messiah. As I got older, however, I found that I could not accept the divinity of Jesus, or that believing "incorrectly" would send someone to Hell. I had started my break with Christianity. Over time I learned a little about many belief systems, but none fit. I felt lost and lonely and outside. This began to change when I met my fiancee, Ali. My conversion to Judaism was not a condition of our marriage, for which I feel blessed, but she wanted to have a Jewish home and raise Jewish children. Since I didn't have any attachment to a particular faith, I agreed and started to learn something about Judaism so I could be a good husband and father. But I had no intention of converting.

In spring 1997, I spent my first Passover Seder with Ali's family. It was interesting. It impressed me that the emphasis was not completely on the Exodus from Egypt. Resisting oppression and fighting injustice on behalf of all humanity was heavily emphasized.

I thought, "Hey. Now here's a religion that believes in doing something and making a difference!" Later that year, I joined her and her family for High Holy Day services. The High Holy Days are Rosh Hashanah (the New Year) and Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement), a joyous-somber mix in which you celebrate having lived another year, reflect on your conduct in the past year and atone for your misdeeds.

Two things touched me deeply. The first was that I felt completely comfortable and at home in the synagogue from the moment I walked in. This was someplace that was safe, peaceful, warm and welcoming. No church had made me feel this way in a long time. ---snip---

I was deeply impressed that in Judaism we are empowered, with God's help, to overcome our own sins. There is no taint of any "original sin," and we are not inherently evil. Rather, we are inclined to both good and evil, and it is very much up to us which path we choose. We are ultimately responsible for our own actions. We can't put them off on anyone or anything else.

In fact, according to Jewish teaching, God will not forgive you for a sin against another person until you have first sincerely sought forgiveness from the wronged party. Talk about making you mindful of how you treat others!

In late 1997, I started taking formal classes on Judaism. I still had no conscious intent to convert. My only goal was to learn as much as I could for Ali and for our future family. But I quickly realized that I had found my way into a group of people who valued critical intellectual examination. There is no one required belief about God, God's nature or our relationship with God. There is also no one view of, or preoccupation with, what comes after the death of our physical bodies. Jewish tradition supports ideas ranging from a classical heaven, to reincarnation, to anything in between. Suddenly all of my questions about religion, which had been very unappreciated in Christianity, were very much appreciated. In fact, the one who questions is respected far more than the one who just goes along for the ride.

Finally, I was impressed with the Jewish emphasis on making this world a better place, on focusing on our roles and responsibility here and now, in this life  known as tikkun olam, "repairing the world." Helping those in need is an obligation. In April 1998, I participated in an event at my synagogue called Mitzvah Day. There was a huge turnout, and we split up into teams to go do various things. Some went to help repair homes for the poor, some worked in a food bank and shelter for the homeless. I helped an older couple with yard and housework. As a Jew, I feel that I am finally able to do concrete, meaningful things to make a positive difference. I never really knew how I could do this before. It wasn't until I was involved with my synagogue that I had help with this.

Whatever path you follow, and wherever it takes you, I pray that you find all the happiness, contentment and peace that I have found with Judaism. B'Shalom  go in peace.

This illustrates not only some of the meaning of Judaism, but the utter lack of arrogance with which Jews practice their faith.

I don't think most modern Jews accept that (except when they don't want to consider someone they're ashamed of to be Jewish, like Dr. Laura). I've met any number of Jews in NY and LA, the liberal modern sort, who regard themselves as Jewish or half-Jewish irrespective of which parent is Jewish.

BTW, what reason for this rule? A talk radio caller, after discovering her own Jewish roots, claimed to have studied the issue. She said the rule exists because in ancient and medieval times, rape was common. Tribes and warriors would routinely raid each others' villages. So because rape was so common, it was often impossible to tell who the father was, but if you had a Jewish mother, you were certainly at least part Jewish.

Genesis...Then God sad, 'Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness, to have dominion over the fish in the sea, the birds of he air, the cattle, all he wld animals on land, and everything that reeps on the earth.'

So WHO do you think US, and "OUR" meant...as in OUR Likeness? It's Jesus he was talking about.

I've heard various other theories:

(1) God was using the "royal we." Monarchs often refer to themselves in the plural. For instance, speaking solely for herself, a queen might say, "We are not amused."

(2) God was speaking to the animals. Man is made in the image of BOTH God and beast. Man has a beastly nature, but a divine spark which allows him to know it, and choose to rise above it.

(3) God was an ancient astronaut, and was speaking to his fellow UFO flight mates.

Yes, the Bible doesn't say that the Jews killed Jesus, but until a few years ago, the Catholic Church did; and Bible-thumpering Protestants throughout the United States and Europe said so, too. Almost every Christian denomination has blamed Jews for the death of Jesus sometime in the past.

It's only been in recent history that Jews have been given the benefit of the doubt in this regard.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, Sabertooth, it's only because you deny history. The Inquisition and the Holocost were justified by attributing Jesus's death to the Jews.

Let's look again at your original statement at #84, as I quoted it...

"She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ.

The word you chose was "know," which is the present tense.

Here's the greater context of that sentence, in the paragraph in which it originally appeared...

Dr. Laura chose the Jewish religion while working in a Christian nation. She chose Judaism even though most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ. That took moral courage. Her choice of Judism demonstrates that she uses neither political nor monetary considerations in her search for truth.

Clearly, you weren't referring to the Historical errors of various Christian denominations in the past, you were attempting to describe the attitudes of present day Christians, falsely stating that "most Christians "know" that Jews killed Christ," at the time of Dr. Laura's quite recent conversion to Jewish orthodoxy. Your misattribution of anti-Semitism to present-day Christians was offensive.

The legend of Lilith is one of a number of oral traditions of the Jews. In the episode of Lilith, supposedly woman was originally created equal to man from the same stuff.

That was not ever quite going to be worked out. Therefore God started over, and Eve became the "first" woman. She was to be subordinate as she was taken from man (the rib thing), something like that. There is a lot of information on it, and I am sure that a Google search would help.

I have always viewed it as sort of an inside joke among rabbis and scribes from ancient times.

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