So I'm guessing LYLO stands for lynch or lose? That makes more sense now.

Bessie... I don't like this... it just doesn't feel right. And it's making more sense...

Honestly, it could be scum trying to frame you... but I don't like it. Why are you still alive? I'm guessing you're going to say scum is trying to frame you, and then say I'm scum.

I wish I could phrase this better: Bessie said she got her predicesor's result, and it said Sabar was town. I think this was to get Sabar on your side. I mean, that part doesn't make sense. It pinged me at first.

This all feels wrong. And did you see my reads list? Now it looks like I'm scum trying to be townie...

Or could this all be Sabar? Putting us against each other, but why'd he let flicky marry us? It can't be Sabar, I don't feel like he'd do this. It would make any sense...

I feel like we should try to talk through this before we all vote and hammer someone.

I'm so confused at this point. We had a plan, and now it seems to be burning. I'm at a loss trying to decide who's scum, I'd suggest lynching Sabar. But this all seems too perfect for Bessie. And I'd hate to loose a game becuase I voted wrong at LYLO...

Here's my new list

Town PWSabarBessieScum

And the worst thing is, scum!me/Sabar/Bessie would do the exact same thing as what scum has done. Anyone could be scum. It's really just a matter of gut feeling...

My meta for future reference

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cemper93 wrote:Your meta appears to be "just writes whatever is on his mind and doesn't remember what happened more than five hours ago"

Let's see: bessie should have targeted PW, that's for damn sure. scum can't have redirection, so if not blocked she has a result.- bessie claims Town on PW: bessie must be scum or PW is Godfather. Both are extremely unlikely.- bessie claims Mafia on PW: I'm mechanically cleared as we can't have both Miller and GF plus Peaceful Whale would have mentioned being Miller by now.- bessie claims to be blocked: no-one is cleared as both PW and me could have blocked her as scum.

How would a townie approach LYLO, I've never been in this situation before. Pointing out the fact that some of my posts are scummy is scummy? I guess it could be WIFOM. This is partly becuase I've only been town playing in this fora.

My meta for future reference

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cemper93 wrote:Your meta appears to be "just writes whatever is on his mind and doesn't remember what happened more than five hours ago"

If you're Town there is no sense in you thinking about the possibility of you being scum. The others will do that for you. If you want to defend yourself then do so, just throwing out there the scenario where you are scum does not achieve anything.

We're talking about her power claim right? Her being a very strong power role protects her from lynches, becuase it's too overpowered for scum to have. And she could have made this happen, scum!bessie could choose who to lynch. And who to use her avilities on.

My meta for future reference

Spoiler:

cemper93 wrote:Your meta appears to be "just writes whatever is on his mind and doesn't remember what happened more than five hours ago"

1. Whatever bessie's alignment is she wins by lynching either PW or myself and loses if she's lynched instead.2. Therefore she doesn't care who she'll vote for and I would be wasting my time trying to convince her of anything.3. Same goes for PW.4. If bessie is Town I can only lose if I vote wrong, there's no rush.5. If bessie is Mafia I can also lose by PW voting wrong.6. On the other hand if PW is scum he cannot win by voting me so must try to convince me to vote bessie.

Highest priority: convince PW not to vote early just in case. Pre-post edit: I see he has the same idea.Next task: reread, reread, reread.

Main thing to notice is that bessie doesn't initiate the conversations, it's heury prodding her every time that gets things going. I would say that this isn't indicative of scum-scum interactions normally.

heuryConsiders apple reference, discards it as flavor.Rolefish. That point was the main reason I found heury townie as there are some things that are simply so scummy that I would think no scum would ever do that. And then I'm always surprised. However if apple is a false-claim (and it really doesn't fit bodyguard, doctor would be far more acceptable) then heury was technically not role-fishing.Puts PW as most townie. This means basically nothing as bessie is second.Wow, that's not a lot.

Overall I would expect better scum-scum interaction from bessie, while the scum-team of 2 newbies is more likely to produce what we see. Strong lean to vote PW at the moment, especially coupled with all of my previous reads about bessie (though they have been extremely wrong about other players this game).

Sabrar wrote:@bessie: are you busy as well? You've been a bit quiet today.

How so? I was at work at deadline/day start. I posted as soon as I got home yesterday. I gave my result and made an observation. I didn’t feel that there was anything for me to respond to or analyze yesterday.

Well, Ok. Sabrar wants noise. Why the hell not, I aim to please.

Peaceful Whale wrote:I wish I could phrase this better: Bessie said she got her predicesor's result, and it said Sabar was town. I think this was to get Sabar on your side. I mean, that part doesn't make sense. It pinged me at first.

And how does this not make any sense? Which part? The part about Znirk investigating Sabrar, or the part about me getting his result? (See my previous response to both these points here.)

Wine, but setting up Sabrar since D2 as town (documented here) to get him on my side on D4 is not a good move for me!scum. If I am scum, I have painted myself in to a corner with my claim of a town result on him. Carlington did something similar to me in Wheel of Time 2, and what happened is that as it got closer and closer to endgame he had to stand by his earlier town result on me (and others) or betray himself as scum (see WoT2 D5).

And winey meta, but clearing him and hoping to gain an ally isn’t really what scum!me would to town!Sabrar.

Peaceful Whale wrote:Or could this all be Sabar? Putting us against each other, but why'd he let flicky marry us? It can't be Sabar, I don't feel like he'd do this. It would make any sense...

Sabrar didn’t “let” flicky do anything, he just made a suggestion. It was up to flicky as to whether or not he wanted to follow through, based on his read of Sabrar.

bessie wrote: I find it interesting that scum decided to kill flicky and block me.

By the way, if flicky was the one roleblocked, maybe I would be dead and Sabrar and Peaceful Whale would be free now. Newbie scum mistake? Or I guess it could have been scum!me.

Peaceful Whale wrote:We're talking about her power claim right? Her being a very strong power role protects her from lynches, becuase it's too overpowered for scum to have. And she could have made this happen, scum!bessie could choose who to lynch. And who to use her avilities on.

So are you accepting I am a very strong power role, and therefore town? Or are you accusing scum!me of lying? This is D4, you need more than accusations, you need to find some scumtells and analyze them, or you need to call me a liar and offer some proof.

Sabrar wrote:1. Whatever bessie's alignment is she wins by lynching either PW or myself and loses if she's lynched instead.2. Therefore she doesn't care who she'll vote for and I would be wasting my time trying to convince her of anything.

Exactly. This is why I didn’t have a lot to say yesterday. I need either one of you lynched and I win regardless of my alignment.

Sabrar wrote:Overall I would expect better scum-scum interaction from bessie, while the scum-team of 2 newbies is more likely to produce what we see.

In all fairness I feel I must point out that I am so rarely scum that this is not a definitive town tell from me.

So where to place those two TBDs? I am certain we have a mafia roleblocker, since I was roleblocked (also claimed by moody).

Is Peaceful Whale mafia?- I feel Peaceful Whale is lying about his claim, for a number of reasons. - I don’t feel this is a role that is in this game, see here.- I think he messed up his claim on D3 because it is actually his fake claim and he didn’t read it carefully.- I think he made a slip that he is a roleblocker, already discussed here and here.

Is Sabrar mafia?- I don’t like his vanilla town claim. I have a nagging suspicion that he is not telling the entire truth about his role. I considered that he may gain a power late in the game, or if a certain event happened, like a hammer (he was very eager to have a hammer yesterday, but then I remembered we had a hammer on D2). - I can’t believe the setup is 6/3 with a godfather (I’ve said this before and can’t find it right now). This belief is reinforced by the other two mafia powers I know are present. So FMPOV, Sabrar has to be town.

bessie wrote:How so? I was at work at deadline/day start. I posted as soon as I got home yesterday. I gave my result and made an observation. I didn’t feel that there was anything for me to respond to or analyze yesterday.

I just thought you'd care to comment on the rolecop, plus you didn't post before work yesterday (still today for you) which you usually do.

bessie wrote:Exactly. This is why I didn’t have a lot to say yesterday. I need either one of you lynched and I win regardless of my alignment.

I think D3 content is less relevant due to the circumstances (claims and Lovers) plus bussing is inherently harder to avoid in MYLO.Will have a final read-through this evening but I'm basically prepared to vote for Peaceful Whale.

Yeah, that last part doesn't make sense at all from a townie perspective. Anyway I doubt that I'll reconsider given my previous rereads and all the points I've mentioned earlier. This way I'll know the result before going to bed (hopefully).

Sabrar looked at Peaceful Whale. "We're doing this together." He grabbed hold of him and leapt onto the floor. They both splattered all over the linoleum.

Bessie laughed. She bubbled with glee. It had worked, it had all worked! She was now the eternal soup, the everything soup, filled with the essence of all the other foods. She would be the most delicious and nutritious soup. The refrigerator was saved.

LaserGuy, Sabrar, moody7277, bessie, flicky, and Znirk win.

Peaceful Whale, Heuristically_alone, plytho lose.

Remaining role PM's coming, but I wanted to post before Sabrar goes to bed hopefully. (pretty sure I'm too late though.)

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