I mean I played sports, so I clearly know more then you. That's such a tired argument.

TJ is spot on. He's not absolving the coaches. Jut making a fair point. Great coaches often have "easier" jobs bc of great talent. We lost because of mental mistakes. Multiple guys stepped out of bounds on TD/1st down catches. We kicked 5 FG. Anytime that happens it means the offense is moving and sputtering. And in this case, it was bad execution, not bad play calling, that slowed us down.

You don't rally behind someone to keep your feet in bounds. That's not how that works. We WERE rallying around Locker and CJ. We just kept hurting ourselves with poor execution. NFL receivers have no business making the mistakes those jokers were making on Sunday .

how is it a "tired" argument?

How could he possibly know what I'm talking about when I say, some coaches you can rally around and get the most out of you, if he's never played organized sports?

Btw, execution is a clear reflection on coaching. Is that not a part of the coaches job? To make sure the players execute on game day? Stop making excuses for Munchak doing a lousy job...13-14 isn't good no matter how you swing it.

Maybe that was one of the concerns that Palmer had. It's especially bad when coaches introduce new systems and the players don't have enough practice time to learn it. And I don't think stars like the Olympic athletes take a week off and do nothing. Those guys should have been there practicing on their own. Or does the CBA not allow that either?

Unlike his first season, Palmer had all the OTAs and camp to install his offense for this season.

I hope we find out sometime just how much more complex things were this season compared to last. I'm thinking Palmer had to use most of Dinger's offense last year since there wasn't any OTAs and camp was shortened. I'm assuming Dinger's offense could not have been too difficult because of Young being the QB.

Do you think NFL receivers don't know how to catch the football when it hits their hands? It's totally a mental error. It's not like they don't know what they should be doing out there.

Coaches spend a lot of time in training camp teaching technique. By week 10 of the regular season, the focus is on film study and the game plan for the upcoming opponent.

I think less mental errors happen when in the back of you're mind you know you're coach is waiting on the sideline to blow you up and embarrass you. Weird how much more focused you'd find yourself with a coach that actually shows emotion.

I think less mental errors happen when in the back of you're mind you know you're coach is waiting on the sideline to blow you up and embarrass you. Weird how much more focused you'd find yourself with a coach that actually shows emotion.

So do you believe emotional coaches get more from their players?

You've got to be careful of when to show you emotions you know, don't wanna come off as a diva that the players hate.

And respect is better than fear. If I'm a coach I want my players to respect me, not be worried about me going off on them.

You've got to be careful of when to show you emotions you know, don't wanna come off as a diva that the players hate.

And respect is better than fear. If I'm a coach I want my players to respect me, not be worried about me going off on them.

there's a medium of respect and fear.

If I'm a offensive linemen and I'm jumping constantly getting false starts, and Munchak's my coach. Where's my motivation to correct myself? Fat paycheck is still coming in the mail, and no one's riding my ass for jumping or dropping passes, etc. Why would you EXPECT any different? Now if I jumped early and got chewed out after it, I bet you'd see a different approach next time I lined up, I'm sure as hell not getting a false start penalty for the rest of the game if my coach just lit me up for it.

Sounds primitive but it's like training a dog. You've got to instill discipline to get execution. Not Munchak's style. And don't give me the "you don't see whats going on behind closed doors" BS. We all know damn well Munchak isn't yelling at anyone, Palmer isn't yelling at anyone, and if Gray was no one was taking him seriously...

If I'm a offensive linemen and I'm jumping constantly getting false starts, and Munchak's my coach. Where's my motivation to correct myself? Fat paycheck is still coming in the mail, and no one's riding my ass for jumping or dropping passes, etc. Why would you EXPECT any different? Now if I jumped early and got chewed out after it, I bet you'd see a different approach next time I lined up, I'm sure as hell not getting a false start penalty for the rest of the game if my coach just lit me up for it.

Sounds primitive but it's like training a dog. You've got to instill discipline to get execution. Not Munchak's style. And don't give me the "you don't see whats going on behind closed doors" BS. We all know damn well Munchak isn't yelling at anyone, Palmer isn't yelling at anyone, and if Gray was no one was taking him seriously...

Well I happen to know that not everyone responds well to getting chewed out on the sidelines. And I will offer you that B.S. that Munchak gets onto guys behind closed doors, I've heard comments from players suggesting so.

Well I happen to know that not everyone responds well to getting chewed out on the sidelines. And I will offer you that B.S. that Munchak gets onto guys behind closed doors, I've heard comments from players suggesting so.

Show me one.

I'm gonna tell you and you'll probably just disregard it but 51-20, 38-13, 38-10 losses aren't a result of a talent gap. There isn't a talent gap that big in the NFL. It's a result of coaches not knowing what the hell they are doing, and players reflecting off that with irrelevant attitudes.

Give me the name of any team in the NFL you feel is "well-coached". EVERY team has some players which don't execute sometimes. Those who make the fewest generally have long careers regardless of the number of teams they play for or the coaches.

Last night, Brees made a couple of stupid plays. He basically screwed up at the end of the first half by dumping down to Sproles with no timeouts and they couldn't get the kicker in before the half ended. Totally a rookie mistake.

Do you think his coaching had anything to do with that? He knew better. He just had a mental error. It happens to the best of them.

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