Like other accomplished scientists, Dr. Torsten Eckstein has been cleared by the federal government to handle some of the world's deadliest diseases: anthrax, avian flu, encephalitis. But he hasn't been cleared to vote. The 47-year-old pediatrician spends his days studying dairy diseases at a Colorado State University microbiology lab. He has an American wife and is living here on a gre...

What a joke. Our immigration system doesn't even expedite the citizenship of someone this talented, educated and motivated, who wants to do well by this country.

No wonder so many come to the United States illegally. They suffer less brain damage than if they try to navigate the surreal nightmare of bureaucratic red-tape entailed by the legal path.

I can't wait for the brain-dead immigrant-bashing losers to open up this poor guy, and others who have gotten so frustrated with our immigration service, that they've had to file a lawsuit just to get the INS to obey our own laws about legal immigration.

sorry, but this guy isn't here illegally ... if we didn't have so many illegal immigrants to deal with, guys like this would become U.S. citizens sooner.

the illegal immigrants are causing a lot more problems, directly and indirectly, than they or their pro-amnesty advocates care to admit. they'd rather spend their time focusing SOLELY on how they are contributing rather than take a balanced approach and discuss the problems their presence here is causing.

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gardengirl wrote:Out of curiosity, if his name were Jose Sanchez and he was from Mexico, but still doing the same kind of important research, would the general feeling still be so supportive of him?

I find a lot of people who engage in immigration debates are pretty hypocritical. They would be all over this board if this scientist were from a Latin country. But since he's from Germany, it's okay.

Personally, I welcome the man. He has his papers in order, he's just waiting on the system. I just think if he had a Latin name we'd be having an entirely different discussion.

you are likely right, however, part of that backlash is a "guilt by association" ... if a latino with similar credentials were to come here, he would be less inclined to assimilate. i'm not suggesting that NONE of them are willing to assimilate, but the advocacy groups are demanding that the U.S. go out of its way to accomomodate latino, specifically mexican, immigrants. i find it very ironic that the very laws that mexico enforces on its southern border are not only ones we would never consider but if we did, mexico would cry racism, discrimination, and police brutality. that really bothers me.

mrthrifty wrote:sorry, but this guy isn't here illegally ... if we didn't have so many illegal immigrants to deal with, guys like this would become U.S. citizens sooner.

the illegal immigrants are causing a lot more problems, directly and indirectly, than they or their pro-amnesty advocates care to admit. they'd rather spend their time focusing SOLELY on how they are contributing rather than take a balanced approach and discuss the problems their presence here is causing.

Funny, since you focus your time focusing SOLELY on how they are causing problems rather than take a balanced approach and discuss how they also contribute. And again, before you fail at putting words in my mouth, I am not advocating illegal immigration. But the fact is that we've got millions here now, and to suddenly not have any would kill our already failing economy. I really hope that's not what you want.

gardengirl wrote:Out of curiosity, if his name were Jose Sanchez and he was from Mexico, but still doing the same kind of important research, would the general feeling still be so supportive of him?

I find a lot of people who engage in immigration debates are pretty hypocritical. They would be all over this board if this scientist were from a Latin country. But since he's from Germany, it's okay.

Personally, I welcome the man. He has his papers in order, he's just waiting on the system. I just think if he had a Latin name we'd be having an entirely different discussion.

you are likely right, however, part of that backlash is a "guilt by association" ... if a latino with similar credentials were to come here, he would be less inclined to assimilate. i'm not suggesting that NONE of them are willing to assimilate, but the advocacy groups are demanding that the U.S. go out of its way to accomomodate latino, specifically mexican, immigrants. i find it very ironic that the very laws that mexico enforces on its southern border are not only ones we would never consider but if we did, mexico would cry racism, discrimination, and police brutality. that really bothers me.

What? So now you're saying legal Latino immigrants are less likely to assimiliate than legal immigrants of any other country? Any proof of that? Or is that just more of you anti-anything-Lantino rhetoric?

gardengirl wrote:Out of curiosity, if his name were Jose Sanchez and he was from Mexico, but still doing the same kind of important research, would the general feeling still be so supportive of him?

I find a lot of people who engage in immigration debates are pretty hypocritical. They would be all over this board if this scientist were from a Latin country. But since he's from Germany, it's okay.

Personally, I welcome the man. He has his papers in order, he's just waiting on the system. I just think if he had a Latin name we'd be having an entirely different discussion.

you are likely right, however, part of that backlash is a "guilt by association" ... if a latino with similar credentials were to come here, he would be less inclined to assimilate. i'm not suggesting that NONE of them are willing to assimilate, but the advocacy groups are demanding that the U.S. go out of its way to accomomodate latino, specifically mexican, immigrants. i find it very ironic that the very laws that mexico enforces on its southern border are not only ones we would never consider but if we did, mexico would cry racism, discrimination, and police brutality. that really bothers me.

What? So now you're saying legal Latino immigrants are less likely to assimiliate than legal immigrants of any other country? Any proof of that? Or is that just more of you anti-anything-Lantino rhetoric?

America was originally settled by Europeans. I admit it was a tradgedy that the indians were wiped out, but in this world might is right. Latinos do not assimilate as well as Europeans. Again, America was settled by Europeans. Although they too had differences among themselves, on the whole their differences did not disrupt the country. Birds of a feather flock together. Now the entire Southwest is primarily Mexicans and other Latino groups bent on taking over the Southwest and creating a Del-Norte indepndent from America. Look at all the Latino TV and radio stations in the Spanish language. It doesn't appear to me that this is assimilation. Latinos will vote in all their politicians, create spanish speaking schools, and establish their culture where they live. Countries are run by the dominant culture and race. These statements are not racist but fact. France seeks to get rid of all its Arab residents by paying them to permanently leave. Why? Because they are not assimilating, seek Shariah law, and are causing all kinds of problems. In addition, as can be seen by the Balkinization of countries like the former Yugoslavia, when a certain group becomes the dominant number of people in a region more often then not they seek separation in order to form their own country within a country. Why? So they can have their own recognized culture, religion and laws. Funny how all you liberals rant and rave about these topics. How many of you wish to live in a Hispanic community? How many of you have fled neighborhoods because of an influx of members of another race? California is a prime example. There has been a mass exodus of their ilk because of this. They being mainly liberals wanted all these immigration rights, laws and etc. Funny how when they got what they wanted they all fled to escape increased crime, overcrowding, and the destruction of neighborhoods.

America was originally settled by Europeans. I admit it was a tradgedy that the indians were wiped out, but in this world might is right. Again, America was settled by Europeans.

Piggy, Piggy I do not know your meaning of the word "Latino," but if you are referring to folks with Hispanic surnames, you need to realize those "names" originated from Europe. Yes, Piggy, Spain is part of Europe, and the Spaniards were settling America long before the British, Dutch, etc. People with surnames such as Lopez or De Leon were in Colorado and the Southwest long before the Jones' or the McMurrays.

Mr. Piggy wrote:America was originally settled by Europeans. I admit it was a tradgedy that the indians were wiped out, but in this world might is right. Latinos do not assimilate as well as Europeans. Again, America was settled by Europeans. Although they too had differences among themselves, on the whole their differences did not disrupt the country. Birds of a feather flock together. Now the entire Southwest is primarily Mexicans and other Latino groups bent on taking over the Southwest and creating a Del-Norte indepndent from America. Look at all the Latino TV and radio stations in the Spanish language.

ha! This reads like a fascist politician MadLib.

[country] was settled by [ethnicity]. The entire [region] is overrun with [other ethnicity]. They are a threat to our culture and our way of life. The [Ethnicity]'s values are immoral and Un-[nationality]. For us there are only two possiblities: either we remain [nationality] or we come under the thumb of the [ethnicity]. This latter must not occur; even if we are small, we are a force. If you stick close together and keep bringing in new people, we will be victorious over the [ethnicity].

Seriously, though, I went to school in southern Indiana, known for being the impoverished, uneducated host to , and your statements sound extreme. Comparing our political and cultural situation to the Balkans is absolutely ridiculous.

mrthrifty wrote:you are likely right, however, part of that backlash is a "guilt by association" ... if a latino with similar credentials were to come here, he would be less inclined to assimilate. i'm not suggesting that NONE of them are willing to assimilate, but the advocacy groups are demanding that the U.S. go out of its way to accomomodate latino, specifically mexican, immigrants. i find it very ironic that the very laws that mexico enforces on its southern border are not only ones we would never consider but if we did, mexico would cry racism, discrimination, and police brutality. that really bothers me.

What? So now you're saying legal Latino immigrants are less likely to assimiliate than legal immigrants of any other country? Any proof of that? Or is that just more of you anti-anything-Lantino rhetoric?

America was originally settled by Europeans. I admit it was a tradgedy that the indians were wiped out, but in this world might is right. Latinos do not assimilate as well as Europeans. Again, America was settled by Europeans. Although they too had differences among themselves, on the whole their differences did not disrupt the country. Birds of a feather flock together. Now the entire Southwest is primarily Mexicans and other Latino groups bent on taking over the Southwest and creating a Del-Norte indepndent from America. Look at all the Latino TV and radio stations in the Spanish language. It doesn't appear to me that this is assimilation. Latinos will vote in all their politicians, create spanish speaking schools, and establish their culture where they live. Countries are run by the dominant culture and race. These statements are not racist but fact. France seeks to get rid of all its Arab residents by paying them to permanently leave. Why? Because they are not assimilating, seek Shariah law, and are causing all kinds of problems. In addition, as can be seen by the Balkinization of countries like the former Yugoslavia, when a certain group becomes the dominant number of people in a region more often then not they seek separation in order to form their own country within a country. Why? So they can have their own recognized culture, religion and laws. Funny how all you liberals rant and rave about these topics. How many of you wish to live in a Hispanic community? How many of you have fled neighborhoods because of an influx of members of another race? California is a prime example. There has been a mass exodus of their ilk because of this. They being mainly liberals wanted all these immigration rights, laws and etc. Funny how when they got what they wanted they all fled to escape increased crime, overcrowding, and the destruction of neighborhoods.

I think enough people have proven wrong already. But again, if you have any actual facts to back up your original statement, we're all ears (or, eyes, rather).

America was originally settled by Europeans. I admit it was a tradgedy that the indians were wiped out, but in this world might is right. Again, America was settled by Europeans.

Piggy, Piggy I do not know your meaning of the word "Latino," but if you are referring to folks with Hispanic surnames, you need to realize those "names" originated from Europe. Yes, Piggy, Spain is part of Europe, and the Spaniards were settling America long before the British, Dutch, etc. People with surnames such as Lopez or De Leon were in Colorado and the Southwest long before the Jones' or the McMurrays.

Maybe this will clear things up Tommy. Oh, I forgot its a biased definition.

Mr. Piggy wrote: They being mainly liberals wanted all these immigration rights, laws and etc.

Where do you get your history? The "great conservative" Ronald Reagan pushed through the first "amnesty" bill for illegal immigrants and now the "conservatives" Bush and McCain are calling for the same thing.

99% of illegal immigrants do not assimilate. I do not have the figures to quote but look at the schools that have to have both English and Mexcian classes. Yes CA is overrun with illegal immigrants running the border but than again weren't we told at one time that they where going to take CA back? Do not remember who said that, if it was one of the groups or a person who got caught, but I was living out there at the time. I hope the gentleman in the article gets his interview and becomes a citizen. Believe or not there are latinos who want to be come citizens and wiil gothough the hoops to do it. We still need to do something about the rest. The native Americans where here before the Europeans or the people from mexico.

Mr. Piggy wrote: . Birds of a feather flock together. Now the entire Southwest is primarily Mexicans and other Latino groups because of this.

Do you think this could have anything to do with the fact that they were here first?

Yes they were here first and they seek to take it back. This discussion has nothing to do with morality about who was here first or what was taken away. Its about what is happening now and what is happening now is a possible secession from the U.S. within 50 years of the Southwest. Is that what you want?