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Would you date Tim?

Tim is prone to very clear-cut strengths and weaknesses. While Tim is not a demonstrative, neither is he an indecisive or vague person. Once the mind is made up and action is being taken you can guarantee that it is taken in big, bold colors, not shades of gray. Tim's pros and cons usually in the eye of the beholder as well, a trait that delights one person could annoy another intensely.

Tim generally tend to think positively about himself, as he isn't usually the most introspective; as a rule, but he is generally happy. This is positive right? Of course it is, at least from Tim's perspective. But for some, Tim may be viewed as self-satisfied, even pompous or worse, arrogant. Tim might be all of these things of course, but it goes to show that the basic strengths of his can be negatives in the wrong company. Like every astrological sign, Tim has a few weak points and we'll examine them, but bear in mind, that, paradoxically can be strengths in the right scenario.

Tim's Negative Qualities

Tim can be hedonistic, argumentative, materialistic, self-centered and obstinate. He can also be headstrong, lustful, opinionated and possessive. His other qualities also include being stubborn, inflexible, old-fashioned, slow, brooding, non-committal and pedantic with a volcanic temper. And the more you research, the more you find.
Those qualities may have some wondering why anyone (other than a mother) would love Tim! When it comes to his qualities, others describe Tim is like different sides of the same coin. Unlike some people, most Tim's qualities become positive or negative depending on the situation he is in, rather than being an absolute good or bad.

Tim's Materialism

Tim is materialistic, no doubt about it. Tim looks at the world through possessive glasses, he loves owning things, being able to buy them and sample them. Tim likes status symbols and enjoy the attention they can bring. Quite often he breaks even romantic ideas down to price, what the cost/benefit is and are they going to be the sole owner or beneficiary, or will they have to share them?
Looked at it like this: of course the basic materialistic urge seems bad, but flip it and see what else comes along. Tim's materialism is often rooted in a desire to be secure, they don't often buy or pursue things that don't have a use or need, because that would be wasteful, and waste can lead to insecurity. In other words,Tim is typically a responsible consumer, an automatic ethical shopper. He might want to possess the world, but he doesn't want to break it (Tim learns early in life that the bull can be destructive). Tim also loves luxury, but only because luxury signals comfort and ease and who doesn't like that?
Of course need is in the eye of the beholder too, so if you are one of the more spiritual person, you're probably shaking your head right now. Tim's materialism can still be a positive thing. In essence, we know the price of everything, but we also know its value too.

Negative Traits for Tim Include Stubbornness

Tim's stubbornness is next. He is immovable if he thinks they are right. Likewise, he is relentless in flogging an already dead horse. He is apt to rarely let go of an issue; he's also unlikely to concede and admit they're wrong until someone can absolutely prove, beyond any doubt, that two plus two equals four because they are certain it's five. Tim is prone to getting trapped in unproductive activity because he has convinced himself that it's certain to work.
For all you who have patiently put up with this for years, thank you. It is a immense pain to have to deal with Tim in a stubborn mood. Flip! Stubbornness works two ways. Sometimes (amazingly) Tim is right and everyone else has yet to see the light, but he gets them there in the end. After years of failing to succeed in an activity that everyone else has given up on, Tim suddenly breaks through and fulfills a life-ambition. And even if he doesn't, that inherent obstinacy shields him from the disappointment.

Other negative qualities include the Temper

The typical Tim is known for his temper and it's often rooted in a desire for peace and quiet. Which is good. But that means he tend to bottle up emotions and thoughts. And when they bottle, they really bottle; tiny things are stored away over years and grow to make one big sore. Finally, when someone makes a minor fuss they explode like Vesuvius, covering everyone in spleen.
Those on the receiving end will find this disproportionate, unreasonable and frightening. For Tim, it's debilitating and earth shattering, but they can't stop it, and their anger will last a long time. Speak your mind only when the storm has blown over, as once cool, he will be ready to listen and apologize.
Putting aside the temper issue and pretty much all other personality traits are interchangeable on the good/bad graph. In the right situation, Tim's negative can actually have a positive outcome. When one encounters Tim's negative traits, it can help to imagine how the trait would be useful and positive in another setting; many find that Tim's worst offense is a lack of self-awareness in the moment. Make he aware of his momentary lapse (which usually isn't difficult) and you'll see he shifts gears mentally, becoming instantly agreeable. He is really good at being agreeable.

* Tim is a fictional character, no real human being slandered from making of this thread.

Re: Would you date Tim?

The deal breakers for me.....

Obstinate, Old Fashioned, Brooding and Volcanic Temper are not qualities I am compatible with....to a lesser extent possessive...I would need to know more because it can turn into a total deal breaker if he is raging jealous. UGH.

Re: Would you date Tim?

Tim sounds like a bull-headed guy to me.

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Re: Would you date Tim?

Based on the traits you post here, I have to wonder if this is a joke. Someone with a "volcanic temper" and holds grudges would not - normally - possess the characteristic of happiness. Tim sounds like someone with a definable personality disorder, and if he exists, someone should only date him with a voume of DSM IV in their hands. He is the kind of person with entitlement issues, a hair-trigger temper and he is quite literally, dangerous - to himself and others.
And NO degree of physical attractiveness would make him dateable. I've made 3 mistakes in my life with guys: one literally had narcissistic personality disorder - which I saw, but marginalized at the time, since he also got his HIV+ diagnosis at the time, and my empathy took over rather than my feet leading me out the door; one was highly passive-aggressive. Saw that one much quicker. Left much quicker. And one had the classic "split" (not as in "split personality; this is a sexual/emotional disorder): people he was turned on to, he didn't feel safe with, and guys he felt safe with, he wasn't turned on to. A pretty neat defense mechanism, which makes the partner miserable. But other than those 3, no major disasters. Fortunately, I had some pretty loving relationships.
If you would even date/have dated Tim, I'd look at myself (inward) rather than outward. To say you don't "see" who someone is after a few dates (as in Avatar's "I SEE you"), means your childhood wounds are still running the show and you're either going to become bitter and sarcastic, or you're going to get help for yourself. And having a history of dating Tims? That just makes me flat out sad, man.

I know 'Tim' exists, but he sounds like a bordeline personality disorder -- or far, far worse. I hope no one reading this is so mentally crippled that they would date someone like this. You wouldn't come out of it well - if at all.

And the paragraph: Tim's materialism can still be a positive thing. In essence, we know the price of everything, but we also know its value too. I'm sorry, that is doublespeak, given all the other horribly bad traits he has. This kind of spin on the "value" of materialism is just that - a spin. No value whatsoever, when combined with the rest of the quagmire of angst this person is drowning in.

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The materialism immediately kills the other qualities/negative traits Also, I myself am stubborn and volatile - I need a more patient man to ease me off.

But you know the weird thing? Even though it's mentioned under 'negative traits', somehow the passage still attempts on rationalising the bad qualities into 'good things easily misunderstood by others who do not know Tim very well' - as if the writer of the article itself is this 'Tim'.

Anyway, I really hope, Jos, this is NOT the description of you.

Last edited by freefall; July 4th, 2013 at 12:46 PM.

come now, my child. if we were planning to harm you, do you think
we'd be lurking here beside the path in the darkest part of the forest?

Obstinate, Old Fashioned, Brooding and Volcanic Temper are not qualities I am compatible with....to a lesser extent possessive...I would need to know more because it can turn into a total deal breaker if he is raging jealous. UGH.

Oh please..you even sounded 'constipated' to try to get him right
Just FYI for guy like Tim because he's not the most honest guy with his intention, the more you know..the more will revealed ^^

you (Leo) and Aquarius...

Originally Posted by loveguys72

Tim sounds like a major drama queen. And I'm not a fan of drama. Pass.

directly square Tim (Taurus), hard time..

Originally Posted by HunterM

Hell YEAH!!! ...if Tim looks like this...

He's good for a few nights anyway.

Close...

Henry Cavill also a Taurus

May 5, 1983

According to classic Astrology book: Individual whose born under Taurus sign/ Taurus ascendant usually (for male) has certain dark feature traits or darker hair. One of their most obvious trait is to appear brooding, sturdy (strong bone, strong jaw, strong feature) with broad/bulky features.
IMO..handsome plays in genetic but if ^those are the characteristic...Im sure even a twink could appear descent looking like that...

<3

In my experience, I never met Taurus guy who looks half bad, they're usually easy in my eyes.

Originally Posted by mcbrion

Based on the traits you post here, I have to wonder if this is a joke. Someone with a "volcanic temper" and holds grudges would not - normally - possess the characteristic of happiness. Tim sounds like someone with a definable personality disorder, and if he exists, someone should only date him with a voume of DSM IV in their hands. He is the kind of person with entitlement issues, a hair-trigger temper and he is quite literally, dangerous - to himself and others.
And NO degree of physical attractiveness would make him dateable. I've made 3 mistakes in my life with guys: one literally had narcissistic personality disorder - which I saw, but marginalized at the time, since he also got his HIV+ diagnosis at the time, and my empathy took over rather than my feet leading me out the door; one was highly passive-aggressive. Saw that one much quicker. Left much quicker. And one had the classic "split" (not as in "split personality; this is a sexual/emotional disorder): people he was turned on to, he didn't feel safe with, and guys he felt safe with, he wasn't turned on to. A pretty neat defense mechanism, which makes the partner miserable. But other than those 3, no major disasters. Fortunately, I had some pretty loving relationships.
If you would even date/have dated Tim, I'd look at myself (inward) rather than outward. To say you don't "see" who someone is after a few dates (as in Avatar's "I SEE you"), means your childhood wounds are still running the show and you're either going to become bitter and sarcastic, or you're going to get help for yourself. And having a history of dating Tims? That just makes me flat out sad, man.

I know 'Tim' exists, but he sounds like a bordeline personality disorder -- or far, far worse. I hope no one reading this is so mentally crippled that they would date someone like this. You wouldn't come out of it well - if at all.

And the paragraph: Tim's materialism can still be a positive thing. In essence, we know the price of everything, but we also know its value too. I'm sorry, that is doublespeak, given all the other horribly bad traits he has. This kind of spin on the "value" of materialism is just that - a spin. No value whatsoever, when combined with the rest of the quagmire of angst this person is drowning in.

Im sorry..if he had gave unpleasant moment, but you're not alone..Once we know guy like Tim (from his guts) common reaction usually is very hostile, he is in a black list of "undate-able" guy from many guys/ even girls.

Originally Posted by rareboy

I think the thread title should have been 'Fuck, slap or Marry'.

That's the cute one..

I would add that we better know "the real Tim" ASAP rather than we know him later in life (after the knot) the most horrifying thing could occur if a guy we love could gradually turn into Tim's like clone.

<eek!>

Originally Posted by freefall

The materialism immediately kills the other qualities/negative traits Also, I myself am stubborn and volatile - I need a more patient man to ease me off.

But you know the weird thing? Even though it's mentioned under 'negative traits', somehow the passage still attempts on rationalising the bad qualities into 'good things easily misunderstood by others who do not know Tim very well' - as if the writer of the article itself is this 'Tim'.

Good observe...the writer was like...please, please please..give Tim a chance because I spit him badly. He/She could be Tim itself or...this person could have been hurt by Taurus-like man, so then the writer (Oh! It's a guy: Gareth!) had been hurt by Taurus man-like.

Anyway, I really hope, Jos, this is NOT the description of you.

As a guy born with Taurus Ascendant- I must admit I have few of Tim's characters

Lemme churn: hmm...

Tim's Materialism~ I like to "see" finery" things..but doesn't mean I love to possess ( fashion, food, good living) Prove: I had a thread long time ago when I showcase my bedroom with all inside my closet so you guys can see what Im wearing...
I bet some of you guys wear better clothes than me ^^ Really, vanity& materials are just like a recreational drug, fun for certain times but I dont worship them.

Negative Traits for Tim Include Stubbornness I do have a stubbornness trait, it's visible here..it's a trait I learnt later in life (when Im about 20s) because this damn-Virgo used to be a "fetcher" for cooler crowd. However, in dating..I never met a guy who totally difficult to be agree with...like of course he is easier to get along rather than with my dad or sister. I never been in tug of war with aguy (I date) because of disagreement, maybe because I drawn to conflict-free person. Idk ^^

I also rather very slow to rage- I do have rage..and it must destroy something (material), a bit vindictive and calm -dont mess wit me only apply for people who live in same square feet with me tho...' very territorial guy.
But I learnt the hard way not to mad out of proportion. So idk, if Tim's temper could be count as the calm but deadly then Im in.
I describe my angs is rather 'Scorpionic' because I wait the right moment to sting.
Tim seems like a guy who is rather a simpleton..what you see is what you get. He might not very articulate with his feeling/intention as described earlier- he's not a very demonstrative person.

But I think the most similarity ..is "selfishness" I have huge streak of this..,anyone?

Tim selfish-trait rooted from his desire to control, or to be secure..he seems emotionally insufficient. Even though there is no direct correlation between A to B but to combine this elements: hedonistic, argumentative, materialistic, self-centered and obstinate. He can also be headstrong, lustful, opinionated and possessive

with possesive seems like a culprit.

A guy like Tim..IMO always has desire to control- not for the best of his partner but for his own satisfaction (conscious/unconsciously). He might appear manipulative because he shower you with compliments/gifts but his trick usually very translucent once you know him.

without possessiveness like me; Ego usually arouse from huge desire of autonomy, for me freedom is matter most.
The problem I had in rltship ALL THE TIME..that Im not attentive enough to my partner, I have too much self-time until love dies.
I have no desire to control people, Im a very democratic guy. "If he aint shit to you, you aint shit for him too"~ thats my motto.

I can see all old couple's arguments are basically silly, that might not happening cause I just straight cut to the business (no drama), but that makes me appear aloof/cold/unloving to him..

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how many times we went on dating profile..it seems every guy...selling the "goods" out of them..(humor, caring, passionate, outgoing, fun, etc) but never...never his real gut like Tim's showing?

You know..Im sick of dating profiles, soooo fake..but that's the way it is.
How can you sell rotten apple in grocery?
Unlike apples..human's soul isn't visible...and more complex than what it seems.

You know someone, after you spent years with him, that's not an exception

No one go out there..saying "Hi, Im a skank, cunt, twit, a-hole and a dick" please marry me!!

I have good side a bit shadowy side like you read above but Im sick of typical cliche dating rule...because it's just plain DISHONEST!
How to reveal the real me while still perceived as cute?- thats my question or perhaps we cant do much anything because whatever we throw outside will always differ public opinion.

Guys like Tim is part of black list of undateable people but my vote is in between second and third option..I d have strong opinion over this..
I think he's intriguing, rotten but not too much work for me because at least he's rather true with his lust (desire) not like a guy with intrigues..

I cant stand lier/ manipulator

I think they're no.1 I cross from my list.

However depending on Tim's severity he could fall into emotional abuser-type and of course when he doesn't has enough kindness to share then he's through. Kindness is a key for me.

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how many times we went on dating profile..it seems every guy...selling the "goods" out of them..(humor, caring, passionate, outgoing, fun, etc) but never...never his real gut like Tim's showing?

You know..Im sick of dating profiles, soooo fake..but that's the way it is.
How can you sell rotten apple in grocery?
Unlike apples..human's soul isn't visible...and more complex than what it seems.

Whereas many dating profiles do use buzzwords and false descriptions of character, it's not necessarily 'fake' to emphasise your meritorious characteristics when the goal is to attract others. In the OP, the focus is entirely on Tim's personality flaws, and it left me (and apparently everybody else in this thread) wondering what his redeeming qualities were.

It would be one thing for a person to admit to a few imperfections amid a sea of character strengths, but it's another entirely for them to omit all of the positives and place 100% of the focus on weaknesses. The OP isn't a dating profile, it's a veritable character assassination under the guise of honest assessment.

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I was essentially using it as a synonym for 'praiseworthy'. I was saying that it's not necessarily fake for a person to put forth their better personal qualities on a dating site when the goal is to attract others.

I'm sorry though, sometimes I can be a little ostentatious when attempting to express my thoughts. I'm working on it.

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Wait what's this now? Ostrichtasty what when attempting to express your thoughts?

When I read that profile, I saw a whole bunch of adjectives, that tend to be negative. But all of those adjectives have synonyms that are more positive. When you re-read it in that light, Tim comes across okay. In fact, he actually does have some of my favourite qualities about myself. I'm sure when I'm tired or cranky or ambushed, some of the negative adjectives apply, but that's true of all of us when we forget to be our better selves. You could write anyone's profile this way.

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Originally Posted by bankside

Wait what's this now? Ostrichtasty what when attempting to express your thoughts?

When I read that profile, I saw a whole bunch of adjectives, that tend to be negative. But all of those adjectives have synonyms that are more positive. When you re-read it in that light, Tim comes across okay. In fact, he actually does have some of my favourite qualities about myself. I'm sure when I'm tired or cranky or ambushed, some of the negative adjectives apply, but that's true of all of us when we forget to be our better selves. You could write anyone's profile this way.

Re: Would you date Tim?

The sun sign is 1/11 of the entire persona of a soul. The ascendant is an indicator of one's physical appearance, akin to Shakespeare having actors hold masks in front of their faces to demonstrate a particular emotion. So, the ascendant is what you appear to be, not who you truly are. Who you truly are is personified by your sun sign, and modified by the other planets it connects, for better or worse (particularly if it forms a square or conjunction or opposition to Saturn).