You know thats been bugging the crap out of me, a little over a year and a half ago I met Tony and Eric (mgs) at knob creek and showed them my grip housing which Tony looked at quite intently. He stated thay liked it and could probably use it in an upcomming project. He asked for my business card. To me his statement "we can probably use it in an upcomming project" meant that he was interested in using my design for a nominal fee of $5 or so a unit, very common courtesy in any industry. Flash forward to a few months ago and WLA is selling an adaptation of my grip housing on this and a couple of other groups and ustilizing it in a gun they are building for Century in qtys reported to be over 2000 units . Yes it pisses me off , had I not talked to Tony and Eric face to face about my grip housing , let them handle it and been told they might be using it in an upcomming project it would be one thing . Honor among men

That's a bit of disturbing news PBB. Thanks for bringing us up to speed on this.This WLA GB on Weaponeer left a bad impression on me anyway. Their gripstick looked readily available and then all my orders were abruptly cancelled.Builder Unfriendly.....I will take my business elsewhere.Sorry that you were taken advantage of in this way PBB.

before anybody gets their undies in a twist my above comment is just my way of ribbing pirate about an old subject, nothing more. I think the the neat products he comes up with are just awesome , and he is a great freind of the home builder. Operating a machine shop and knowing what it cost to produce this stuff I really dont know if he is making a dime on any of the stuff he sells. The other company mentioned in my post above is a different subject .

I decided to give the ar fcg another try for a couple of reasons, first is the new fcg housing for the spade grips I am making don't lend themselves to the fal setup. second I have already bought up all the reasonably priced fal fcg parts, so using them now is expensive.The new bolt conversion I am working on eliminates any binding problems so the ar setup should work better.As for the 42 grip and bolt wise lite is using it looks kind of like the ones BRP make, as does the 34 conversion parts you are making look like the ones from TNW.

Pirate wrote:As for the 42 grip and bolt wise lite is using it looks kind of like the ones BRP make, as does the 34 conversion parts you are making look like the ones from TNW.

Well since you brought it up the BRP grip is a welded up steel affair made from the original grip housing, alot more like the ones you offer than mine or wiselites which are both machined from aluminum barstock, so if you are implying I copied their design you should compare your grip housing to the BRP, your first pics from a couple of years ago before you went to the fal are a direct knock off, at least mine were an original design .

yes the mg34 parts I made and that are posted in my build thread are as exact a copy as I could produce based on the pdf sketches posted here but the difference in these and your knock off of the kns spade grips and wla knocking off my grip housing is I am not offering my copy of someone elses hard work for sale.

As far as I know there is absoloutley no law against copying a patented design as a one off for my own personal use. I am not offering them for sale and only produced a couple for my own use based on eyeballing some sketches in a pdf file , in no way does this even begin to compare to the situation where I actualy placed my grip housing in a mans hands who said he would like to use it in an upcoming project who then later just coppied it for use in a for profit project. Get it ?? I can copy anything I would like in a one or two off situatuion for my own personal use with out crossing any moral or ethical line, but what Tony from WLA did is a totaly different situation.

Since you find it neccesary to bring up the 34 parts I made for my own personal use I have to wonder how KNS feels abou you knocking off there ar/m16 spade grip setup with the specific intent of offering them for sale in a for profit venture. They have a patent , does that matter to you?

Pirate wrote:I decided to give the ar fcg another try........The new bolt conversion I am working on eliminates any binding problems so the ar setup should work better..

Eliminating blown primers is how you sold a largegroup of FAL fcg's in those BRP knock offs. What's your pitch on going back to the AR fcg ?

I was unaware that brp made a grip with the fal fcg. and that mine were knock offs. the fal fcg did eliminate all the blown primer problems I had. As far as having a "pitch" I don't, I am working on a new housing to go with the spade grips I am making and tha fal fcg doesn't lend itself to the design, so I will be trying other options for this setup. I have had several people ask me for an ar grip conversion and had some parts made for them.

(PS-Where are you, Dayglo Bil? We need some peace, love, and understanding.)

GeeDeeEmm

" The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government . . . . When the people fear their government there is tyranny, when the government fear the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

Otsa motta you? Since you guys noticed I post in various colors and some call me 'Rainbow Bil',I found a nice bumper sticker for my truck-It has a big rainbow and says'Can't we all get along?' It must work,lots of peolpe are pointing and waving! ---bil

"I dream of a world where I can buy alcohol,tobacco and firearms from the same drive-up window,and use them all on the way home from work!" Dogbert

Don't get too big-headed, bubba. They think your bumper sticker says, "Can't we get a LOAN?"

GeeDeeEmm

" The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government . . . . When the people fear their government there is tyranny, when the government fear the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson