Because you can counter just fast enough after the aRK landing to punish most of the game's fastest attacks. You can also LK right afterwards to pull back (while they swing and miss or try to counter a followup) then hit them in the face with the slow attack LK is.

But Jag's flk is easily faster than Force's landing cooldown! He gets to hit you with flk before you even get the chance to react, regardless of what you want to do.

I'd also really like to emphasis the fact that I played you only once, on your server, for only 7 rounds, with 90 ping Xar. It's not very fair for you to make an estimation of how predictable I am with these kind of conditions.

Anyway the point is a Force still can't be aggressive towards a Jaguar. That combined with its attack system focused on specials and low armor to boot means the Jaguar is infinitely better off in the stun department.

Anyway the point is a Force still can't be aggressive towards a Jaguar. That combined with its attack system focused on specials and low armor to boot means the Jaguar is infinitely better off in the stun department.

Yes, the old meteor calls were WAY better then the new ones.. especially cause you could use them multiple times in a combo, really usefull for Jugling...

Maybe it would be a nice idea for DE to release a mod with the balance of an older build, with all the bugs squished out and such... then we'll see how it works out.._________________"I don't like pancake restaurants, you can only order 1 pancake at a time" - My girlfriend

But Jag's flk is easily faster than Force's landing cooldown! He gets to hit you with flk before you even get the chance to react, regardless of what you want to do.

...Or so you think. Keep in mind that they have to go through a block recovery, too. Even Jag's fLP can be caught in the landing counter. AI falls for it every single time without fail. The only moves I've seen that out-speed it is the Mantis slide and the Super Slide, probably a couple more Mantis attacks, too.

Anyway the point is a Force still can't be aggressive towards a Jaguar. That combined with its attack system focused on specials and low armor to boot means the Jaguar is infinitely better off in the stun department.

I disagree with this...

right Xar?

yes ghoul has a good point. ghoul and fm are one of the few people here that i have to actual think when fighting.

vuen, ive fought you before and regardless of counters you still dont take advantage of what force can do. ghoul and fm actually fight, like they're jags (ie, air moves to a some ground, facespam etc.).

i didnt mean to offend you vuen but thats the vibe i got. who knows, i havent even played ghoul or fm for ages these are just past experiences._________________Xaronth's System SpecsProud tester since build 1700, beta tester since build 1900"Better dead than smeg." -Arnold Rimmer, Red Dwarf"A thin line separates us. I call it 'talent'". -Ken Masters

Anyway the point is a Force still can't be aggressive towards a Jaguar. That combined with its attack system focused on specials and low armor to boot means the Jaguar is infinitely better off in the stun department.

I disagree with this...

right Xar?

yes ghoul has a good point. ghoul and fm are one of the few people here that i have to actual think when fighting.

vuen, ive fought you before and regardless of counters you still dont take advantage of what force can do. ghoul and fm actually fight, like they're jags (ie, air moves to a some ground, facespam etc.).

i didnt mean to offend you vuen but thats the vibe i got. who knows, i havent even played ghoul or fm for ages these are just past experiences.

My reaction suffers from the Lag xaronth that, and you're 1 league ahead of me... _________________"I don't like pancake restaurants, you can only order 1 pancake at a time" - My girlfriend

Anyway the point is a Force still can't be aggressive towards a Jaguar. That combined with its attack system focused on specials and low armor to boot means the Jaguar is infinitely better off in the stun department.

I disagree with this...

right Xar?

yes ghoul has a good point. ghoul and fm are one of the few people here that i have to actual think when fighting.

vuen, ive fought you before and regardless of counters you still dont take advantage of what force can do. ghoul and fm actually fight, like they're jags (ie, air moves to a some ground, facespam etc.).

i didnt mean to offend you vuen but thats the vibe i got. who knows, i havent even played ghoul or fm for ages these are just past experiences.

My reaction suffers from the Lag xaronth that, and you're 1 league ahead of me...

actually NightShadow is the hardest force match up for me, though granted, i havent fought ghoul and FM really much, but last i did i could do fairly good versus them._________________
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The real question is not "why doesn't force have a projectile". The REAL queastion is "why does the generate\throw system BLOW".

If force had more control over his vortexes and bombs he wouldn't need a projectile.

First of all, bombs need to track the target faster and have a charge up (like vortex).

Secondly, all throwables should have a better system of aiming than left hand = too long and right hand = too short.

Thirdly, the move sequence should be optimised to be all one motion. IE: generate AND throw. (if the user wants, they should still be able to charge them too) The force should not be standing around holding a vortex.

Finally, remeber that sometimes it takes 2 or 3 punches to get the ball "unstuck". This is a BUG thats been around form day 1.

There also needs to be a hard cap on the number of throwables force can have up at once. If this hard cap were in place, his throwables could be made MUCH more potent and still be balanced.

It's just that right now, they are too spammable, so they make them suck so they aren't overpowered when thrown in massive quantities._________________"I reject your reality, and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage (MythBusters)
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