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Passasgio workout songs

Hey guys,

Can you please post some of your favorite songs that give a great passagio workout?I'm not talking about a passasgio note here and there, I'm talking about these f*****s that live and breath inside the passagio. I used to dislike those songs for obvious reasons, now when I come across one, I'm all giddy to tackle that s.o.b.Post away!

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The reason I love it for passasgio practice is cause it's a fairly easy tune to sing that doesn't require much range at all, but man, you are in there the whole time and you have to be good at navigating that area of the voice to enunciate the words properly.

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ThePowerOfOne wrote:

The reason I love it for passasgio practice is cause it's a fairly easy tune to sing that doesn't require much range at all, but man, you are in there the whole time and you have to be good at navigating that area of the voice to enunciate the words properly.

That's a good one.

For me it's just about any Journey song: Don't Stop Believin, Any Way You Want It, Faithfully.... They all live in the passagio - and it's "light" passagio work which has it's own challenges.

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Well obviously it's going to depend on your voice. The songs some will find hard and right in their passaggio, others will be able to sing fine, and vice versa.

But here are some I really fail on:

Have fun attempting to sing that line "and you will see the end". The verses may be really tough too, depending on your voice.

Even though he doesn't, if you try to do this smoothly bridged from chest to head with good power throughout, you're gonna have a real challenge. Take the higher harmony.

I can actually get through the chorus of this, but the verses...Eb, E, F#, G#...back and forth, back and forth

This one, I don't know if there is any option but to pull chest up through the passaggio, but if you can figure out how to do those verses in a smoothly bridging into head yet retain the right amount of power, then damn you are good...

Bob once mentioned Hotel California is a tough passaggio one, it does seem like it. I haven't tried it yet since I'm not a huge fan of the song.

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Owen Korzec wrote:

Well obviously it's going to depend on your voice. The songs some will find hard and right in their passaggio, others will be able to sing fine, and vice versa.

True. That's why it's not uncommon for me to take a "passasgio killer" tune and sing it five times back to back each time transposing it half step up to really iron out any and all rough spots or problematic areas of the voice until I get it right.

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i break it down into 2 groups:

( i know i'll be leaving some tough ones out.)

group 1 - skillfully moving in and out of it.

group 2 - sitting in it with little to no let up.

group 1:

micheal bolton - said i loved you but i liedelton john - someone saved my life tonight roy orbison - in dreamsgin blossoms - till i hear it from you (harder than it seems, because you cannot grip on to anything to sing it right)

group 2:

sorry guys, but you know i'm gonna say it....just about every foreigner song i know. four tops songsmicheal bolton songschairman of the board - give me just a little more timeled zep songsspiral staircase - i love you more today than yesterdayguess who songsaretha franklin songs

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My advice would be to sing a lot of songs don't worry to much about passagio because you will always just be negotiating the passagio. It's never set in stone. The vowel, the approach, the dynamics etc all play into how you will negotiate the passagio.

Disclaimer-Anything I write or try to help people with on here are techniques and things that have worked for ME. They are not necessarily" right" or "wrong" but have worked for ME and my 20+ yrs as a professional working singer.Thank you

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Danielformica wrote:

My advice would be to sing a lot of songs don't worry to much about passagio because you will always just be negotiating the passagio. It's never set in stone. The vowel, the approach, the dynamics etc all play into how you will negotiate the passagio.

I do agree with Daniel. There are many songs that I sing which have the same notes as other songs but the words and order of notes are different. Some songs I have no problems with while others I cannot even approach. This came on the radio as I was driving home. I have never been able to get close to singing this.

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ronws wrote:

Anything by Journey. I think that Steve Perry hated other singers and created melody lines designed to wear others out.

Not really. Pretty much all of their hit songs (for instance, Don't Stop Believing) are mixed voice (more head than anything -- it goes up to B4 and C#5 in mixed/head voice in places, and really the only challenge is deciding between trying to sing the tonic E4 in the same voice which is not usually powerful compared to the higher mixed voice tones OR using chest voice for the E4 which doesn't sound exactly correct and might get a bit hairy besides). It's not like Perry's got a freakish chest voice or anything.

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ThePowerOfOne wrote:

Hey guys,

Can you please post some of your favorite songs that give a great passagio workout?I'm not talking about a passasgio note here and there, I'm talking about these f*****s that live and breath inside the passagio. I used to dislike those songs for obvious reasons, now when I come across one, I'm all giddy to tackle that s.o.b.Post away!

Maroon 5 - One More Nighthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysSxxIqKNN0Excellent F4 Practice... the yoo-oo-oo-oo thing in the beginning and scattered throughout the song up to C5 might be a neat thing to practice mixed voice on

Ten Years - Beautifulhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6iQpkkWZm0E4 heavily stressed if it's an issue for you... for me, it's not, but... the later choruses and especially the bridge have a decent string of G#4's with a few A4's mixed in at the bridge. You'll be spending the whole bridge in the mid to upper passagio.

Linkin Park - Numbhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZQrMqdv54IExcellent F#4 practice... It's a rough one because there are only a couple patches that are low enough to allow your cords to relax. The chorus contains a few G#4's but the bridge is pretty darn hard, your vocal cords will not have had rest and you'll be faced with a stretch of G#4's and A4s, and you have to sustain the G#4's for pretty long.

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I'm resurrecting this thread to post a true double whammy challenge to any of you guys who want a true workout.Not only does this whole song live and breath smack dab inside and all over the passagio, but it requires intensity, conviction and some belting to do the song justice.

Try at your own risk... I promise that if you do it right, you'll be very proud of yourself and exhausted for sure. Bob, this one's definitely for you!

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This is a true story. I was driving down the road listening to Jailhouse rock and trying to sing along with it. I kept trying different things to sing the notes in FULL voice. Somehow or other the sound or voice or breath, slipped behind my soft palet. The voice that came out was Elmo/Bart simpson. I never figured out how to sing Jailhouse Rock like ELVIS but I can now speak like Elmo and Bart Simpson. Which is pretty cool to me. I can hit those notes pretty solid with Elmo voice so I should also be able to sing it clean. If anyone has suggestions on what went wrong I would be very grateful for input.

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"Knock me down, It's all in vain. I'll get right back on my feet again." Pat Benatar

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Most of Meat Loaf's songs, but especially this one:

It kills me. It highlights some of my biggest vocal weaknesses currently. The part "and i'm gonna need somebody to make me feel like you do" etc. is one of the trickest phrases I've encountered vocally. You have to sing it with power, but still keep it light enough to get to the Bb4, meanwhile maintaining a smooth late bridge on a closed ee vowel (or modify but not too much), raising the intensity slightly on the higher notes, and maintaining twang...this song is hell for a baritone! But I'm determined to eventually be able to sing this at an excellent level and perform it. It's on my bucket list. My life will be a large portion more complete when I can just deliver a great heartfelt performance of this epic song...

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Owen Korzec wrote:

Most of Meat Loaf's songs, but especially this one:

It kills me. It highlights some of my biggest vocal weaknesses currently. The part "and i'm gonna need somebody to make me feel like you do" etc. is one of the trickest phrases I've encountered vocally. You have to sing it with power, but still keep it light enough to get to the Bb4, meanwhile maintaining a smooth late bridge on a closed ee vowel (or modify but not too much), raising the intensity slightly on the higher notes, and maintaining twang...this song is hell for a baritone! But I'm determined to eventually be able to sing this at an excellent level and perform it. It's on my bucket list. My life will be a large portion more complete when I can just deliver a great heartfelt performance of this epic song...

Hey Owen if you have to think about all those things when you sing (not practice vocalises) you will constantly keep having a hard time with those songs or phrases. Worry about all that stuff during your warmup and practice. When you are ready to sing just sing and let the warmup you did set you up to sing.

Disclaimer-Anything I write or try to help people with on here are techniques and things that have worked for ME. They are not necessarily" right" or "wrong" but have worked for ME and my 20+ yrs as a professional working singer.Thank you

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VIDEOHERE wrote:

speaking of passaggio killers, they did a round of kamikaze karaoke last night and i got this one.

never really did it before, but again it ended up being a little tougher than i thought.

to ease up on the pressure buildup, i decided to shoot it into the mask and that made things a little easier.

have you folks done it? how does it feel for you?.......great song

When I was twelve my older brothers were both in bands as singers. The "Manager" (the mother of one of the band mates) of one of those bands wanted to hear I f I could sing.When I stepped up to the microphone the band started playing "Hotter than Hell" from KISS. I choked. I did not know the song and I wasn't allowed to say HELL. So they decided to let me try "Keep on Rockin' Me" in the original key. You can guess what happened. Beginning puberty trying to sing "Rockin' Me". That was the moment that shook my confidence and ruined my singing career. Oh Well, 38 years later and now I might be able to sing this song without blowing it.

Last edited by MDEW (2013-08-17 01:28:11)

"Knock me down, It's all in vain. I'll get right back on my feet again." Pat Benatar

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Disclaimer-Anything I write or try to help people with on here are techniques and things that have worked for ME. They are not necessarily" right" or "wrong" but have worked for ME and my 20+ yrs as a professional working singer.Thank you

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A couple of songs I love to practice:

Not sure if he spends a lot of time in passagio, but in the first verse where he sings "...beyond belief, a new metropolis..." he goes into a hard mix, right? It's something I've tried to incorporate into my training, and it's a lot different than..

I got this song from Jaime Vendera's book, and I think Sahaj is a great singer. His Sting covers don't surprise me, he sounds and sings exactly like Sting'd probably do if he sang heavier stuff.

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Here's what appears to be a harmless little pop ballad, but in reality requires some surgical precision to get through. Notice that the singer doesn't always get it completely right and has tendency to go slightly breathy at the passasgio. It also modulates a full step up for the final chorus. Have fun!

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One of my favorites from the Boss. And I agree, it's a song that requires you to pay attention since it crosses parts of 3 octaves with most it bordering right on that 4th octave passagio area. Add to that if you are trying to sing like Bruce. Even though he's from New Jersey, he sounds like a hick when he sings. Dense lyrics requiring spot-on articulation. Big sweeping chorus that will show any weakness you have.