*Puts on Admin hat*<br><br>I'm contacting WkDesign to find out if the images in question can remain on OCAL in the PD or if he would like us to remove them.  <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Oleg Koptev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:koptev.oleg@gmail.com">koptev.oleg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Fully agree! There is no sense in keeping such 'non-PD' files in OCAL.<br>
it's only lead to problems, confusion and frustration. there are tons<br>
of websites with free-not-for-commerce cliparts, but OCAL stands aside<br>
from them, primarily because Public Domain licensing - and PD makes<br>
OCAL really rocks. My 0.02 copeck.<br>
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2009/7/22, Jan-Olof Eriksson <<a href="mailto:jan-olof.eriksson@iki.fi">jan-olof.eriksson@iki.fi</a>>:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">> Well this is confusing. If person agrees those terms, he must understand<br>
> that he reliquishing all copyright intrests he may have those images. If<br>
> user cant trust that, then whats the point of these licence? If there<br>
> are images other than PD licence, they should be removed.<br>
><br>
> J-O.E<br>
><br>
> "Jarod Russel" <<a href="mailto:JarodR@gmx.de">JarodR@gmx.de</a>> kirjoitti 22.7.2009:<br>
><br>
>>Jan you do missunderstand. This is not a problem of the website. The<br>
>>website is a public platform. It's not like just 2 or 3 people upload<br>
>>cliparts at OCAL. Everyone can do it. The person who uploads the images<br>
>>has to agree that all cliparts uploaded are dedicated to the public<br>
>>domain and therefore they are. But that is still no guarantee! Mistakes<br>
>>can happen all the time. The responsability to make sure the images you<br>
>>want to use are really in the public domain is up to you and not to OCAL.<br>
>><br>
>>I myself use a some of the images from OCAL for commercial stuff. So far<br>
>>no problems.<br>
>><br>
>>Jan-Olof Eriksson schrieb:<br>
>>> Well you cant say "do what ever you want with these images" in web site<br>
>>> if thats not true. Then you should change that FAQ etc. Im glad i asked<br>
>>> because this PD lincence sounded too good to be true...<br>
>>><br>
>>> J-O.E<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Jarod Russel kirjoitti:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> You're right when wkdesign uploaded his cliparts he agreed to the public<br>
>>>> domain dedication. And I really don't say Gerald did something wrong.<br>
>>>> But if the licence is so clear, why did Gerald put a statement from<br>
>>>> W.Korn on every clipart that the cliparts free to use if they are anyway<br>
>>>> in the public domain?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I found W.Korns website in the wkdesign profile on OCAL and noticed<br>
>>>> he/she is selling cliparts. I mailed him/her and asked that he/she is<br>
>>>> clear about what public domain means and he/she seemed to be suprised.<br>
>>>> I'm afraid I can't find the mail anymore. All I've got is that whats in<br>
>>>> the archives of this mailing list.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/clipart/2009-January/008939.html" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/clipart/2009-January/008939.html</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Here W.Korn statet that the cliparts on OCAL are for personal use only.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This all sounds like too much trouble to me for somebody who wants to<br>
>>>> use the images for commercial use.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Greg Bulmash schrieb:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> He agreed to the public domain dedication when he uploaded them. If<br>
>>>>> he didn't understand it, he doesn't have a whole lot of legal<br>
>>>>> recourse. He'll be able to delete them himself and stop OCAL from<br>
>>>>> further distributing them, but all current uses based on his upload<br>
>>>>> are going to be protected, including redistribution.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> It looks like Gerald G's stuff is based on wkdesign's zip file, so<br>
>>>>> Gerald was not out of line or even mistaken when he uploaded those<br>
>>>>> pieces.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Jarod Russel wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Yeah but also if marked so, not every clipart is in the public<br>
>>>>>> domain. As I said in the beginning of the year already, cliparts made<br>
>>>>>> by Gerald G. featuring W.Korn are statet as free. That can mean<br>
>>>>>> everything. Also free for personal use but not for commercial. The<br>
>>>>>> member wkdesign is W. Korn and he stated clearly to me that his<br>
>>>>>> images are not in the public domain.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> My guess is some people load up their cliparts or other peoples work<br>
>>>>>> and don't read or don't understand the upload rules at OCAL.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> If you want to use images from <a href="http://openclipart.com" target="_blank">openclipart.com</a> for t-shirt printing<br>
>>>>>> let me tell you there is a risk. Definitly don't use things involving<br>
>>>>>> company names, famous logos, celebrities etc. Those cliparts may be<br>
>>>>>> in the public domain, but that doesn't mean they are free of 3rd<br>
>>>>>> party rights too.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Jan-Olof Eriksson schrieb:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Just to make sure, so i can download these images from<br>
>>>>>>> <a href="http://openclipart.org" target="_blank">openclipart.org</a><br>
>>>>>>> and sell them if i want to? Make t-shirts etc?<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Jan-Olof Eriksson<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
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