General Discussion

Skillcap. I understand they deter players from twinking out skills and lessons but it's a pretty hard gimp to those older PC's. Personally I believe old SOI allowed for much more freedom to the player in this and I'd like to move away from the idea of SOI being a copy of Atonement's mechanics. So can we discuss alternatives or perhaps throwing it out completely?

I would tend to agree with perhaps (at the very least) an alternative to hard skill cap as it stands at present.

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I was under the impression that there is more than enough skill points to become impressive and even masterful in several skills. It sounds like you've already maxed out (or coming close to) your hardcap at an incredibly quick rate.

I have indeed hit my characters hardcap but the game has been out for a couple of months now. That being said, I have had enough skill points to cap a couple but that leaves little room to do anything more. I would just like the ability to add more depth to a character, within reason, which is why I wanted to return to the old way of things. Do away with the cap.

even with low average intelligence, you can get something like 8 skills up to adroit. With great or peak int, you will likely never hit your cap. You have a pretty manageable number to work with, and this is coming from a capped out low int pc who would benefit a lot from getting the cap raised

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I think one of the benefits of having a cap is also that it makes INT a much more important skill than it used to be. Before, if you had a combat character that didn't craft and wasn't a medic there was almost no reason to prioritize intelligence at all. This system makes every stat have some importance to most activities, and I think that is a benefit personally.

Eru wrote:I would just like the ability to add more depth to a character, within reason, which is why I wanted to return to the old way of things. Do away with the cap.

Depth does not come from skill-gains. If you feel your character lacks depth it is an RP problem, not a coded one.

You're right, but I think you misunderstood or I said that in a way that reasoned misunderstanding. In my opinion a hardcap dictates how much you are able to do and how proficient you'll be at it. That's fine. What I don't agree with is that is limits you the player to two roles, that of a crafter or that of a combatant. You can go a hybrid of both but you're not going to go far in either role.

Brian wrote:I think one of the benefits of having a cap is also that it makes INT a much more important skill than it used to be. Before, if you had a combat character that didn't craft and wasn't a medic there was almost no reason to prioritize intelligence at all. This system makes every stat have some importance to most activities, and I think that is a benefit personally.

I completely agree, it adds an importance to intelligence again, which I'm all for. It affects how quickly you are able to raise that skill. I just don't agree with it being the sole factor in how much you can learn all in all which is why I thought perhaps suggesting an alternative might be worthwhile for those characters that want to be a combatant and dabble in crafts or vice versa.

Eru wrote:You're right, but I think you misunderstood or I said that in a way that reasoned misunderstanding. In my opinion a hardcap dictates how much you are able to do and how proficient you'll be at it. That's fine. What I don't agree with is that is limits you the player to two roles, that of a crafter or that of a combatant. You can go a hybrid of both but you're not going to go far in either role.

Ah, gotcha. Apologies. Though I agree with you on what the hardcap does, I personally enjoy such as it prevents the (Loathed, by me at least) hunter/crafter/soldier type which invariable comes to dominate gameworlds, along with crafters who arbitrarily take up another craft as a hobby. It places real value on the crafters who focus and those fighters who dedicate themselves to something.

Though if what you said earlier is true, perhaps a decrease in the speed at which he get skill-gains?

I'm in favor less of a skillcap removal, and more of a 'specialty' cap. It can be very annoying to see a player start with a skill that has no relation to any other, and then steamroll through to be able to adroit metalcraft, leathercraft, woodcraft, armorcraft, and weaponcraft, which individuals are attempting to do.

Nimrod wrote:FYI - Skillcaps are slightly off at the moment. I will be looking at this in the coming weeks, but everyone should see a 12 to 25 percent increase in overall cap values.

I'm really amazed at how quickly some folks are able to increase their skills.

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Nimrod wrote:FYI - Skillcaps are slightly off at the moment. I will be looking at this in the coming weeks, but everyone should see a 12 to 25 percent increase in overall cap values.

I'm really amazed at how quickly some folks are able to increase their skills.

The Focus and Ignore commands might also be off since you lose some [Beginner] level skills from your skills list that you're focusing on instead of keeping them and lowering the few [Amateur] level skills you have ignored.

Speaking of skill caps. Will there be a way to see if you've 'topped' out in a skill? A highlighted skill name or something? If someone is particularly poor in a skill's stats, and they realize IC that they'll never be able to do very well at it, it would be nice to be able to determine that and put it on ignore so that skill can waste away and go into something a person can excel at.

Bones wrote:Speaking of skill caps. Will there be a way to see if you've 'topped' out in a skill? A highlighted skill name or something? If someone is particularly poor in a skill's stats, and they realize IC that they'll never be able to do very well at it, it would be nice to be able to determine that and put it on ignore so that skill can waste away and go into something a person can excel at.

Nimrod wrote:I've bumped these up significantly for testing. Twink away.

thanks, I will

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