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Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

I can only count AD, DD, and Danny Granger as anyone who did anything. Brezec actually turned out to be an ok player for the Bobcats...but seriously! This team hasnt drafted anyone that is a difference maker in the last 16 years. I will admit our picks were on avg in the lat teens to 20s. But, there is always teams find great talent later in the first round...but not the Pacers

Any that have made impacts? I will say Danny has the best chance, but sometimes I wonder about his game.

Fred did have some good years in Minny, but not for Indy. Travis was always a great backup I thought.

Dampier had one good seaon before his BIG CONTRACT, after that...ugh. Not in INDY

Al, well....I dont really know. He just never seemed to make the impact everyone thought. I think we would of still had Al if RC wasnt the coach. Same goes for Ron.
Both Davis boys were very good draft picks....but I am talking about that impact player. The lasy IMPACT player we had was Reggie. And that was how many years ago?

The Indiana Pacers NEED a new face. Someone that is the FACE of the Pacers. And I do believe they will have to get rid of JO and JT before we are 100% away from the brawl.

Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

Besides Varejao, we got way better value than the pick after us, no questions asked.

And Bambam, I think your definition of a "impact player" is what most of us here at PD would call a "star", and you're not going to find too many of those first option caliber guys at 15 or so in the draft.

Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

1991
Hard to argue with Dale Davis at 13 in that draft.1992
Sealy @ 14 while Doug Christie(17), Jon Barry (21)& Latrell Spreewell (24) were still on the board. Death or no death those players were better from the get go.1993
Haskin @ 14 while Ervin Johnson, Sam Cassell & Chris Mills were on the board. That was head scratcher at the time, remember.1994Piatkowski was picked for the Clippers. Who was then coupled with the '92 1st rounder Sealy & Pooh Richardson ( that cost the Pacers former 4th pick The Rifleman & starting PG Michael Williams) for the original Jacko.1995Hard to argue w/ Best @ 231996
Dampier while Potapenko, Kobe, Peja, Nash, JO & Big Z were still on the board hard to argue that one.1997Crosh @ 12 over Derek Anderson, Maurice Taylor, Kelvin Cato & Brevin Knight1998
Al @ 25 good job1999Cummingswas picked for the Warriors so we could have Jeff at the additional expense of our '01 1st rounder that ironically turned out to be Troy Murphy2000
Brezec 27 no real players after that. I'm not including guys like Redd everybody passed on him and that was 20 some picks later.2001
See 1999 & 20032002
Freddie @ 14 while Juan Dixon, Kareem Rush & Tayshaun Prince went elsewhere2003
See Jamaal Tinsley2004David Harrison @ 29 gets a pass by most but not me since Varejao went next and Duhon went 7 later.

I'll stop there since nobody wants to hear how they passed up some pretty good point guards to get both Danny & Shawne.

Touche, FlavaDave! Very clever way to answer the question. Dr. Goldfoot goes a little deeper and shows that the Pacers haven't always gotten the best players that were available. But we know more about the players now than even the best scouts knew before their NBA careers began.

It's a crap shoot, folks! And most of the time, you get crap.

Last edited by Putnam; 01-30-2008 at 12:59 PM.

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Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

i'd like to ask a question... wouldn't you have rather had jumaine jones over vonteego cummings? jones had at least several productive years in the nba.

Yes but to be fair the Pacers didn't even want a first round pick that year, but couldn't find anything to exchange for it, and Cummings was never intended to be a part of the equation. We were stacked that year and should have beaten Orlando in the ECF.

This is mentioned near the beginning of Reggie's book, which is my source for what I just said.

Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

Yes but to be fair the Pacers didn't even want a first round pick that year, but couldn't find anything to exchange for it, and Cummings was never intended to be a part of the equation. We were stacked that year and should have beaten Orlando in the ECF.

This is mentioned near the beginning of Reggie's book, which is my source for what I just said.

i know you just said no question so i felt compelled to ask one. i'm contrarian by nature

Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

I agree with what I think the premise of this thread is and that's you can't rely on the draft to get the players you need. For further proof just ask....Chris Mullin, Sam Perkins, Mark Jackson, Jermaine O'Neal, Byron Scott, Derrick McKey, Ron Artest, Brad Miller, Jalen Rose, Tank Thompson, Haywood Workman, Detlef Schrempf, Anthony Johnson, Stephen Jackson etc....

Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

I have a feeling that looking at these Pacer picks all lined up by year can sort of skew the perspective a little bit. So just for reference's sake, here's how some of the other "teams of the 1990s" have compared to us (using these teams cause they probably have similar mid-Teens to mid-20s selection history and like us haven't spent much time in the lottery)

Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

Yes but to be fair the Pacers didn't even want a first round pick that year, but couldn't find anything to exchange for it, and Cummings was never intended to be a part of the equation. We were stacked that year and should have beaten Orlando in the ECF.

This is mentioned near the beginning of Reggie's book, which is my source for what I just said.

Then why did they trade up in the draft for Foster? and trade away a pick for two years down the road? Not questioning you just that thought.

This draft is a perfect case for why it's stupid to get too excited about all these big guys that shoot up draftboards every year. Wright, Dampier, Walker, Potapenko, Fuller were guys who were largely selected so highly because of their size. When I hear people talk about all the big guys this year (DeAndre Jordan, Devon Hardin, Hasheem Thabeet, John Riek, Kosta Koufos, Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert) it scares me to think that the Pacers might draft one of these dudes. If we can learn anything from history, it's that 1 of these guys may actually become a star, 2 will become decent starters, a couple more will stick around as journeyman backups, and a couple will be out of the league in a few years. You can say this about every position, but the bust factor seems to be much higher with big guys.

Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

Piatkowski was picked for the Clippers. Who was then coupled with the '92 1st rounder Sealy & Pooh Richardson ( that cost the Pacers former 4th pick The Rifleman & starting PG Michael Williams) for the original Jacko.

Williams is one of my all-time fave PGs and I hated him being moved FOR Pooh. However the deal for Jax was a homerum. Pooh was a disaster, Chuck was about to fall off the table, and while Sealy was decent he certainly wasn't a big difference maker. Jax was, he was a monster impact player.

And by the time things got going for Jax here Michael was hitting the end of the road due to injury unfortunately. Plus it's not like the Pacers didn't get their value out of the Chuck draft pick. ROY, seat filler, star power to draw national attention, and then gone just when Reggie was taking over that role anyway (and doing it better).

I'm sure no one believes it but I have friend backing on this so it's not just BS (the guy Gnome/Mal met last night in fact). I was livid when they passed on Steve Nash. That was the one guy I felt great about in that draft and really wanted them to get. I haven't made tons of great draft calls, but that was one of them.

And in fairness CHARLOTTE traded Kobe (along with all those teams passing on him) and Phoenix traded Nash and then Dallas let him walk as a FA. So even the teams that drafted those players didn't appreciate their full value at the time.

Not only that, but Portland also undervalued JO and Indiana ended up getting the best of his years anyway. So really Sacto was one of the few teams that drafted smart, that got their target AND kept him long enough to enjoy his full potential.

Hell, Dampier got Indy Mullin just in time to make a serious run at the title and he had quite an impact in those few seasons.

82games.com has someplace (don't have the URL myself) an article that detailed the chance of success for a draft pick by PLAYING position and draft position. Effectively it said what has already been said here, bigs are more likely to bust and once you get outside of the top 10 you have a pretty poor chance at an impact player. This is one reason I'm anti-tank, at least as some "solution".

Now when you just have nothing going for you then I do think you take what you can get, and that includes a better draft pick. My problem is people that think you can RELY on the draft to fix your team. You can't. It's nuts.

As for the bigs being mentioned I think Indy getting Hibbert or Thabeet around 12-14 would be a fair pick. Both MIGHT have decent impacts but both clearly have big holes in their game too that might hold them back. No one will be shocked if Rose, Gordon, and Mayo all end up better than those guys, but then they should also be picked higher than them anyway. I'm not as sold that Collison or Augustin are some sure shots in the mid-teens.