Most ultra-trads are ultramontanists. They also believe that the Latin Rite is the only valid form of the faith, and that Eastern Catholicism is nothing but a transition phase to ease the Orthodox into the Roman Catholic Church. But the goal is that they will be Roman Catholics.

Not meaning to get off topic, but I wish people on this forum would stop speaking of the "Latin Rite". I know it's commonly used, but it's just as incorrect as saying "the Melkite Rite" or "the Ukrainian Rite".

What should I use then? RCs at CAF want to be called Latin Rite Catholics. Like the Latin language and other silly complaints of Latins, they are preoccupied again with things that doesn't matter to their salvation.

Don't get me wrong, "Roman" and "Latin" are perfectly correct terms. The problem is only when people mix up "Rite" and "Church", and talk about "the Latin Rite" and "the Roman Church", instead of "the Latin Church" and "the Roman Rite". (Or, likewise, "the Melkite Rite" and other such errors.)

The Roman Rite refers to the Mass, not the Liturgical tradition. Although a lot have taken to the term Latin Church because of this notion that Roman Catholic is somehow derogatory.

In some cases, the new Rome-affiliated churches even come with newly minted ethnicities or at least ethnoreligious identities (e.g., Chaldean, Maronite), making the situation even more confusing for the outsider.

I'm sure Abraham would agree with you.

Now Abraham was a member of the Chaldean Church, too?

Well I don't know about that. I'm saying that he would have joined you in calling them a new ethnicity.

Although a lot have taken to the term Latin Church because of this notion that Roman Catholic is somehow derogatory.

Well alright, but notwithstanding their particular motivation, Latin Church is still the proper term. (For that matter, I there are also many of us who are motivated less by a desire to get the terms "Roman" and "Latin" right, than by a desire to get the terms "Rite" and "Church" right.)

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I know exactly what you mean, the only difference is that when I tell them I'm an old calendarist they either have no idea what I'm talking about or assume that I'm a matthewite and that I hate them or something and slowly back away. I just don't understand anything in the RCs anymore...

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Many energies, three persons, two natures, one God, one Church, one Baptism.

On a very high level it does look like there is no difference between Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy. But is our faith merely a high level view and each Church through their own traditions can simply make stuff up in the details? The more I learn of Orthodoxy, the more foreign it to Roman Catholicism, at least in my view. Externally and mechanically there if very little difference. But when we look at what all of these means and what we actually believe about each and every single thing in our faith, we are so far apart.

I'm not trying to promote division here. Just being honest about how things are and what things are.

It just seems like with almost every Roman Catholic I have met, whenever they discover that I am Orthodox, they end up acting real friendly and ecumenical--saying that we're "the same" or that the differences aren't really that big. The most false ecumenism I get comes from Roman Catholics--not even "non-denominationals" are as ecumenical as the Roman Catholics I have met. They're kind of like that annoying kid at school who no one in your group of friends really likes, but he still hangs around you and follows your group anyway acting like he's all a part of the gang and everything.

Is this sense of false ecumenism with the Orthodox a normal trend for Roman Catholics, or is it just something among the American Roman Catholic world? Like, maybe the reason they are so friendly and falsely ecumenical with the Orthodox is because we're both religious minorities in their eyes in the domain of Evangelical Protestantism?

Speak for yourself Schismatic..........how's that better?

That's a first.

Not for me.

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