Ra-den could be excused, because there was nothing related to him throughout the story, except maybe during lorewalker story about Thunderking.
Same gos for Sinestra.
But we have all seen the Heart of the Old god in new scenario and know that issue aground it must be resolved, so making that being finished off in Heroic only mode would be a big bullsh17 moment, like Ragnaros, where you had to do heroic mode, to experiance TRUE ending.
Why should people who play for story be forced to be left out during the key piece of lore, and making it accesible only for "elites".

Going to agree here.

Heroic-only bosses work best when they are dealt with as a "secret bonus boss" and not "the actual final boss". Ra-den works very well because you can run the entire Throne of Thunder from start to finish in Normal/LFR mode and not feel like you were missing anything important.

If we do see a heroic only encounter in the SoO, then I would prefer it be something along the lines of some experimental creation that Garrosh planned to unleash on the Horde and Alliance but didn't have time to finish it. Perhaps it's not really all that mobile just yet, so it's not a serious threat to the factions after Garrosh is dead, but it still should be "disposed of" before someone gets it in their head to finish what Garrosh has started.

Roleplaying, hardcore Raiding, running LFR on the occasional weekend, PvPing, rolling alts, achievement hunting, pet battling, or just enacting an endless series of whims, I don't care how you play WoW. Just as long as you have fun doing it.

The 'corrupt' complaint isn't directed at any kind of physical permutations the character has; it's directed at the character's motivation. A "corrupted" character doesn't appear to have any motivation other than "LOL IM CORRUPTED GOTTA DO EVIL SHIT"; someone complaining about a character being corrupted is complaining about an ultimately nonsensical change in a character's moral compass, whose only explanation is "a wizard did it".

Likewise, there is a difference between corruption and mind control

Kael, Illadin, Kil'jaden, and others are no more "courrpted" than Garrosh is. They all had desires and dreams and which they turned to dark powers to help them achieve them
People like Kael or Kil'jaden were not forced into joining the Legion, they both thought it was a dandy idea that would help with whatever they were trying to achieve

Something not like that would be Arthas when he picked up Frostmourne, as once he did that he became a slave to the will of the Lich King.

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We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

The sudden addition of Garrosh and his impending doom just feels like Blizz brought him in for the sake of expansion lore and now they're done with him. Grom Hellscream was an epic character. Unfortunate Blizz lacked the creativity to make Garrosh more compelling.

But anyways, I think it would be interesting if the current disarray of the Horde was taken advantage of by the Forsaken. Sylvanas uses the Val'kyr to strengthen her numbers and assumes a quasi-LK sort of role. So many bodies fighting across Garrosh's domain would make for a large newly raised Forsaken army.

The sudden addition of Garrosh and his impending doom just feels like Blizz brought him in for the sake of expansion lore and now they're done with him. Grom Hellscream was an epic character. Unfortunate Blizz lacked the creativity to make Garrosh more compelling.

But anyways, I think it would be interesting if the current disarray of the Horde was taken advantage of by the Forsaken. Sylvanas uses the Val'kyr to strengthen her numbers and assumes a quasi-LK sort of role. So many bodies fighting across Garrosh's domain would make for a large newly raised Forsaken army.

And for what? Once the legion comes they will kill Sylvanas and strengthen THEIR numbers.

We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.

The sudden addition of Garrosh and his impending doom just feels like Blizz brought him in for the sake of expansion lore and now they're done with him. Grom Hellscream was an epic character. Unfortunate Blizz lacked the creativity to make Garrosh more compelling.

The son of such an awsome character should have been so much more

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Originally Posted by WeaponXAnimosity

But anyways, I think it would be interesting if the current disarray of the Horde was taken advantage of by the Forsaken. Sylvanas uses the Val'kyr to strengthen her numbers and assumes a quasi-LK sort of role.

More content where Horde has to kill Horde? No thank you

We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

The sudden addition of Garrosh and his impending doom just feels like Blizz brought him in for the sake of expansion lore and now they're done with him. Grom Hellscream was an epic character. Unfortunate Blizz lacked the creativity to make Garrosh more compelling.

But anyways, I think it would be interesting if the current disarray of the Horde was taken advantage of by the Forsaken. Sylvanas uses the Val'kyr to strengthen her numbers and assumes a quasi-LK sort of role. So many bodies fighting across Garrosh's domain would make for a large newly raised Forsaken army.

I believe, however, she can only raise humans. So it doesn't help as much as you'd think.

I dunno, but why the fuck not? We only have to hope they bring along a decent amount of commissars, including Yarrick, whose balls are known to be made of the hardest, heaviest material in this universe. Some say it's crystallized essence of badassery taken right from Immaterium.

If you're not being manipulated, then you're handled by professionals.

This would be most shitty and cliche ending ever. Can I PLEASE have villain that is just driven by his own desire just ONCE in a while, please?

Yeah, because that's so much more exciting. People look for things to bitch about. And this is one of them. "Meh, le sigh, lol, corruption lawz" cliche. I don't care how you slice it, having malkorak being a demon and doing something to Garrosh is waaay more exciting than "I'm Garrosh and I'm crazy!".

This would be most shitty and cliche ending ever. Can I PLEASE have villain that is just driven by his own desire just ONCE in a while, please?

So what is exciting about a villian driven by his own desire? Tell me why that is so much better than there being something we knew nothing about being at the root of it? Having someone that said in Cata "Am I a murderer Krom'gar?" and "Today I learn from you chieftain" go to total nutjob a year later is shitty and nonsensical. Would make so much more sense if there was something behind it.

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Originally Posted by Sukhoi

This expansion has been so horde favored if he doesnt die im quitting.

Lol. Are you kidding? We're losing a warchief, but somehow you want to see that as "Horde favored". Ppl like you are hopeless. And you see what you want to see regardless. And if someone tries to say otherwise, you'll argue even harder about it. I hope he doesn't die just so I can laugh at you.