were the First Run Protostar Destroyers that came out under 170 also stabilized? Or did this stabilization occur at a later time?

and I flipped through 8 or so pages of this thread but not all of it so sorry if this has been answered before but are the Echo Destroyers less stable or more stable...recognizing that this is mostly a PLH issueand on the Echo plastic does anyone know if the Orange and Yellow is less stable than the Green?

none of the proto star destroyers were stabilized as far as ive known,ive owned a shit load. the first stabilized ones were marked s/ds if i remember right. even the flat first run productions were flat and similar to proto stars but not stabilized

as for echos,most domey ones ive thrown have been beefy ,some more than others but plh is going to be the most reliable way to distinguish beefy ones from ones that arent as meathookish.

the few starlight destroyers i've seen have all been in the 167-168 range and were marked sds and the plastic had a gritty or grainy texture to them. i've owned probably half a dozen starlight bosses at one point and have seen maybe 2-3 destroyers. aside from the sds ones anything under 170 has flown like a regular destroyer in my experiences.

i bought some sweet upper 160s champ destroyer xouts from dgv a few times, all the ones i were getting were baby blue and had a decent dome to them. pretty beefy to start out with but once they broke in they were sooooo nice.

A while back they NEEDED to use Starlite to get below 170 on the wide rimmed discs. Starlite made them more overstable but it seems they have figured that out and can now make some lighter star discs without them coming out overstable.

On a random note I was looking through DGV's store today and saw they started listing the S/DS destroyers as collectible and selling them for $20. Does this mean we will never see destroyers like that anymore? that would make me sad.

Frank Delicious wrote:On a random note I was looking through DGV's store today and saw they started listing the S/DS destroyers as collectible and selling them for $20. Does this mean we will never see destroyers like that anymore? that would make me sad.

It's Innova, you never know what's going to come out of the molds next...

Parks wrote:If the posts on this forum are any indication, the PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.

Frank Delicious wrote:On a random note I was looking through DGV's store today and saw they started listing the S/DS destroyers as collectible and selling them for $20. Does this mean we will never see destroyers like that anymore? that would make me sad.

This makes me happy and sad...I just discovered how beautiful the S/DS fly compared to the other Destroyers.

I have a 169 S/DS that scale weighs in at 172, Not grainy or gritty and it doesn't appear to be stabilized. Fairly average dome. Flies like a dream. Probably 8.5/10 flies a lot like a new Pro Destroyer that stays new for years.

Guess I should've stocked up before they went collectable.

At least the AJ run of Destroyers is pretty nice, well all the ones w/o the Vulcan Top. I've got a few of those stocked up unfortunately they're usually all heavy.

Frank Delicious wrote:On a random note I was looking through DGV's store today and saw they started listing the S/DS destroyers as collectible and selling them for $20. Does this mean we will never see destroyers like that anymore? that would make me sad.

That's funny cause I bought some of those exact ones from him a couple of months ago for dirt cheap. They aren't domey and not nearly as stable as the poppy-top S/DSs. The new Avery *DSs don't seem that bad, but they are not nearly as stable as the older marbled and domey S/DSs. But, if you look around you can still find the old S/DSs. I've actually had great luck looking around at head shops and occasionally I have found them at PIAS. I think I am up to roughly 20 or so S/DSs.

I just bought a soft/domey 172 Pro Destroyer today. It was supper flippy right out of the box. I am soooo disappointed. It flies like a broken in pro wraith. It will be garbage in a week. Should I just skip Pro and stick with star?