by GermanShepherd<3 on 18 December 2010 - 20:12

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Can someone explain this to me? Like how it works? Which ones do breeders usually do..why or why not? And are some of them bad to do? How do you read the line breeding with the numbers on the pedigrees?

by Gustav on 18 December 2010 - 21:12

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Is this a setup? I don't mean the question negatively, its just I read on another thread where you were declaring what was good and bad breeding in showlines. To make those kind of statements you certainly have to know the ins and outs of these types of breeding. Just curious?

by GermanShepherd<3 on 19 December 2010 - 01:12

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Wait which answer did i post you are talking about..the one about the roached back?
and no its not a setup..I am a teen okay..I am trying to learn this stuff. The GSD has been my passion for the longest time..and when the time comes and I will be ready I want to understand exactly what the breeder is talking about. Like Hans, he was talking in a thread once about those two pups (the one he sold to the crazy woman), and was talking about how they were bred, and I really wanted to understand exactly what that meant..I looked online for other things to try and understand.
All the the things I learned about breeding was from breeders themselves who took the time to talk to me..they told me the most important part of breeding..and I know I may only be 16, but the German Shepherd has been everything to me all my life..I was able to foster one, and it was the greatest experience. Being reputable breeders, to me is what I said in that thread, because when I look into my pup one day that is what I want.

So in short, no I am not a breeder, or someone trying to set up someone..this is just for my personal knowledge. I found some of my answer on a website, that kinda helped..but really I just want to learn, if you wanna answer or someone else does I would be more than happy to hear what you guys have to say!

And sorry if I came across as trying to setup something or stir up trouble. I hope this cleared it. Have a great night!

by Gustav on 19 December 2010 - 03:12

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Its no problem, I think you have more than cleared it up for me. I commend you on your thirst for knowledge and hope you continue to keep learning because we need young people to carry the torch. I thought it was a question that you might already know the answer but wanted to get the inbreeder vs outcrossers started. My bad....Good Luck and hang in there!!!

by darylehret on 19 December 2010 - 03:12

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Private school? Didn't think kids could write so well these days.

I would advise that; to help minimize risk, you can linebreed on particular dogs that have been successfuly linebred upon before. In west-workingline breeding, lots of linebreeding on Fero, Troll and Yoschy has already been conducted, and not at a lot of terrible expense. Same with the Ingo, Held and Bero bloodlines of the czech dogs.

Those are the two that I have concentrated my linebreeding interest in, but the point is, neither are completely uncharted territory. I will not be the first, and were I to push the evelope, it would be in more recent generations of the same lines (i.e., a "2-3" on Bero's grandson, Faro Policia), or in combination with different linebreeding of weaker strength (further back, but of an unrelated line, like a 4-4 Cordon An Sat). Both Faro and Cordon have established themselves successfully in previous linebreeding already. Some of the "guesswork" will have been eliminated by those who have gone before and helped pave the way.

Selection of the animal's phenotype is and always will have the greater impact than looking at pedigree alone. Even same-siblings linebred 4,3-4,4 on so-and-so have the potential to be very different from each other in outward appearance and general behavior.

by ziegenfarm on 19 December 2010 - 06:12

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generally speaking, inbreeding and linebreeding are used to "set in" traits. once that is done successfully, outcrossing and crossbreeding are used to bring in new blood to compensate for deficiencies and to add vigor.
as i said, these are general statements and pertain to livestock as well as smaller animals.
pjp