Did YOU Ever FEAR the LORD ? - Think Atheist2015-03-04T00:29:08Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/did-you-ever-fear-the-lord?xg_source=activity&id=1982180%3ATopic%3A1306056&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe fact that god was omnipre…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-06-10:1982180:Comment:13252822013-06-10T10:05:54.640ZLittle Dreamerhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/AlexMaison
<p>The fact that god was omnipresent and having an eye on me 24x7 was disturbing, but I don't recall having any fear for god. I was informed about heaven and hell - but when I came to know that heaven isn't above the clouds as I was told or even somewhere that we know of, I simply gave up the idea that these places could even exist. I had a feeling that what I was being taught about god was not right - which led me to question god's existence. Soon, due to numerous reasons I converted into an…</p>
<p>The fact that god was omnipresent and having an eye on me 24x7 was disturbing, but I don't recall having any fear for god. I was informed about heaven and hell - but when I came to know that heaven isn't above the clouds as I was told or even somewhere that we know of, I simply gave up the idea that these places could even exist. I had a feeling that what I was being taught about god was not right - which led me to question god's existence. Soon, due to numerous reasons I converted into an agnostic. I didn't gave up the fear of god as it wasn't present in me at the first place, instead I gave up the need for a god.</p> Again with the constant ad h…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-05-17:1982180:Comment:13118402013-05-17T03:54:40.677ZGallup's Mirrorhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/GallupsMirror
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<dd><div class="description" id="desc_1982180Comment1311968"><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p>Again with the constant <em>ad hominem?</em> Don't you tire of it?</p>
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<p>We've covered this before, Robert. If your statement is a lie and I call you on it, that is not fallacious.</p>
<blockquote><p>To go through your list:</p>
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<dd><div class="description" id="desc_1982180Comment1311968"><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p>Again with the constant <em>ad hominem?</em> Don't you tire of it?</p>
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<p>We've covered this before, Robert. If your statement is a lie and I call you on it, that is not fallacious.</p>
<blockquote><p>To go through your list:</p>
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<blockquote><div class="xg_user_generated">Hmmm. You listed that one twice. </div>
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<div class="xg_user_generated">Error of haste, Bob.</div>
<div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p>What you seem to be unable to grok is that we are not fundamentalists. Not about the Bible, and certainly not about the Catechism, and not even about the documents of the various councils. Quoting isolated snippets without an understanding of the language or the culture demonstrates your ignorance of our faith and practice, not understanding. Again, sophomoric. </p>
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<p>Again, dishonest. I responded to what YOU actually said in those threads. Now YOU respond to what I ACTUALLY SAID in response to your words, IN THE THREADS, Bob, IN CONTEXT.</p>
<blockquote><p>It's the rough equivalent of a freshman physics student telling me I'm wrong about physics and he can prove it by quoting one line out of the textbook I wrote.</p>
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<p>It's the exact equivalent of you losing yet another argument and getting caught in another lie; chickening out rather than owning up, denying challenges rather than rising to meet them.</p>
<blockquote><p>Much as I might wish to continue your edification, you clearly have more time on your hands than I do. I don't mean to be running away and sulking, I just have other commitments to attend to.</p>
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<p>Gosh, Bob. You you didn't have time to answer the previously unanswered threads while simultaneously having time to answer this one and post in others? Must be some kind of temporal paradox.</p>
<blockquote><p>So what I would suggest is that you <strong>go take a class</strong>. Find a nearby Catholic college or university and take a few basic theology courses. </p>
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<p>Theology is not a subject, Bob. Neither is the study of leprechauns or unicorns or fairy wings.</p>
<blockquote><p>Even better, start with a rabbinical class on the Torah, because in many ways Catholic intellectual thought comes from Judaism. Then you might be able to make a reasonable argument with reference to the proper texts and what we truly teach.</p>
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<p>According to you, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is not the proper text, and not what the Catholic Church truly teaches, and I need the Catholic education.</p>
<p>And I here thought "Too easy!" was the gut-buster of the night!</p>
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</dl> Again with the constant ad h…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-05-17:1982180:Comment:13121102013-05-17T03:53:44.623ZGallup's Mirrorhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/GallupsMirror
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<p>We've covered this before, Robert. If your statement is a lie and I call you on it, that is not fallacious.</p>
<blockquote><p>To go through your list:</p>
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<dd><div class="description" id="desc_1982180Comment1311968"><div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p>Again with the constant <em>ad hominem?</em> Don't you tire of it?</p>
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<p>We've covered this before, Robert. If your statement is a lie and I call you on it, that is not fallacious.</p>
<blockquote><p>To go through your list:</p>
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<p>Respond in the threads, in context.</p>
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<blockquote><div class="xg_user_generated">Hmmm. You listed that one twice. </div>
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<div class="xg_user_generated">Error of haste, Bob.</div>
<div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p>What you seem to be unable to grok is that we are not fundamentalists. Not about the Bible, and certainly not about the Catechism, and not even about the documents of the various councils. Quoting isolated snippets without an understanding of the language or the culture demonstrates your ignorance of our faith and practice, not understanding. Again, sophomoric. </p>
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<p>Again, dishonest. I responded to what YOU actually said in those threads. Now YOU respond to what I ACTUALLY SAID in response to your words, IN THE THREADS, Bob, IN CONTEXT.</p>
<blockquote><p>It's the rough equivalent of a freshman physics student telling me I'm wrong about physics and he can prove it by quoting one line out of the textbook I wrote.</p>
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<p>It's the exact equivalent of you losing yet another argument and getting caught in another lie; chickening out rather than owning up, denying challenges rather than rising to meet them.</p>
<blockquote><p>Much as I might wish to continue your edification, you clearly have more time on your hands than I do. I don't mean to be running away and sulking, I just have other commitments to attend to.</p>
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<p>Gosh, Bob. You you didn't have time to answer the previously unanswered threads while simultaneously having time to answer this one and post in others? Must be some kind of temporal paradox.</p>
<blockquote><p>So what I would suggest is that you <strong>go take a class</strong>. Find a nearby Catholic college or university and take a few basic theology courses. </p>
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<p>Theology is not a subject, Bob. Neither is the study of leprechauns or unicorns or fairy wings.</p>
<blockquote><p>Even better, start with a rabbinical class on the Torah, because in many ways Catholic intellectual thought comes from Judaism. Then you might be able to make a reasonable argument with reference to the proper texts and what we truly teach.</p>
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<p>According to you, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is not the proper text, and not what the Catholic Church truly teaches, and I need the Catholic education.</p>
<p>And I here thought "Too easy!" was the gut-buster of the night!</p>
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</dl> Again with the constant ad ho…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-05-17:1982180:Comment:13119682013-05-17T03:07:00.928ZDr. Bobhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/ProfessorRobert
<p>Again with the constant <em>ad hominem?</em> Don't you tire of it?</p>
<p>To go through your list:</p>
<p>No, your understanding of papal infallibility is wrong. Explanation in that thread.</p>
<p>For a good example of a religious commentary on economics, try picking up the U.S. Bishop's Letter on the Economy. Remarkably prescient.</p>
<p>Yes, we have a metaphorical or theoretical notion of hell, without either a definitive or dogmatic understanding of what that actually means. Call it…</p>
<p>Again with the constant <em>ad hominem?</em> Don't you tire of it?</p>
<p>To go through your list:</p>
<p>No, your understanding of papal infallibility is wrong. Explanation in that thread.</p>
<p>For a good example of a religious commentary on economics, try picking up the U.S. Bishop's Letter on the Economy. Remarkably prescient.</p>
<p>Yes, we have a metaphorical or theoretical notion of hell, without either a definitive or dogmatic understanding of what that actually means. Call it lots of competing theories.</p>
<p>Hmmm. You listed that one twice. </p>
<p>What you seem to be unable to grok is that we are not fundamentalists. Not about the Bible, and certainly not about the Catechism, and not even about the documents of the various councils. Quoting isolated snippets without an understanding of the language or the culture demonstrates your ignorance of our faith and practice, not understanding. Again, sophomoric. It's the rough equivalent of a freshman physics student telling me I'm wrong about physics and he can prove it by quoting one line out of the textbook I wrote.</p>
<p>Much as I might wish to continue your edification, you clearly have more time on your hands than I do. I don't mean to be running away and sulking, I just have other commitments to attend to. So what I would suggest is that you <strong>go take a class</strong>. Find a nearby Catholic college or university and take a few basic theology courses. Even better, start with a rabbinical class on the Torah, because in many ways Catholic intellectual thought comes from Judaism. Then you might be able to make a reasonable argument with reference to the proper texts and what we truly teach.</p> Arguments like the one above…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-05-17:1982180:Comment:13120042013-05-17T02:41:33.210ZGallup's Mirrorhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/GallupsMirror
<blockquote><p>Arguments like the one above that ended in "Fuck You?" Who wouldn't be bored to tears? Seriously! </p>
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<p>No, silly. I mean the arguments where you suddenly skulk away without responding anymore. The ones where you make dishonest and untrue statements, which I falsify by posting links to reputable sources; statistics, government reports, legislation, surveys, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and so on. Those arguments, Robert.</p>
<p>Arguments like this…</p>
<blockquote><p>Arguments like the one above that ended in "Fuck You?" Who wouldn't be bored to tears? Seriously! </p>
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<p>No, silly. I mean the arguments where you suddenly skulk away without responding anymore. The ones where you make dishonest and untrue statements, which I falsify by posting links to reputable sources; statistics, government reports, legislation, surveys, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and so on. Those arguments, Robert.</p>
<p>Arguments like this <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/is-your-trust-in-science-based-on-faith-or-based-on-science?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1311787" target="_blank">one</a>. Or this <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/is-your-trust-in-science-based-on-faith-or-based-on-science?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1311102" target="_blank">one</a>. And this <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/did-you-ever-fear-the-lord?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1310698" target="_blank">one</a>. And <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/did-you-ever-fear-the-lord?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1310595" target="_blank">this one</a>. And this <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/did-you-ever-fear-the-lord?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1310698" target="_blank">one too</a>. And substantively <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/did-you-ever-fear-the-lord?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1310111" target="_blank">this one</a>. This huge <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/two-dead-kids-one-religion-and-zero-days-in-prison?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1305140" target="_blank">one</a>. Or this <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/two-dead-kids-one-religion-and-zero-days-in-prison?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1304387" target="_blank">one</a>. And this <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/two-dead-kids-one-religion-and-zero-days-in-prison?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1304108" target="_blank">one</a>. The list goes on.</p>
<p>And those are just mine. Other regulars have theirs.</p>
<p>You get your clock cleaned time and again, Bob. But rather than admit that you're wrong, or apologize for twisting the truth to save your thundering ego, out pops another lie: <em>It's not that I'm lacking honesty or courage! I take off because you bore me!</em></p>
<p>Congratulations anyway, Bob. After leaping away from the list of arguments above, at long last you can pounce on FUCK YOU as the argument you can finally win.</p>
<p>But regrettably, it's not one of mine.</p>
<blockquote><p>All I did, @Gallup, was deny <strong>your own</strong> claim of intellectual superiority: "Atheists overwhelmingly test your faith on an intellectual level." </p>
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<p>All you did was lie again, Pinocchio. Let's look at that conversation in context:</p>
<p><strong>Your words:</strong> "I am perfectly comfortable with atheism intellectually and personally, and am happy to be supportive of atheists. I also am quite comfortable in my own faith; there's really little here that would "test" it..."</p>
<p><strong>My response:</strong> "Atheists overwhelmingly test your faith on an intellectual level. You either cheat on those tests or refuse to take them. That's all you ever do here." </p>
<p>To recap, YOU opened with a claim of self-superiority directed at ALL ATHEISTS here, saying there is little here (implying little <em>intellectually</em>) to test your faith.</p>
<p>I responded to deny YOUR statement and directed my words at YOU alone.</p>
<p>What I said was true too. You often cheat (by lying like you are now) or refuse to respond (per the list above). Those are the actions of a mind overwhelmed: a mind left with no honest response, so it responds with dishonesty or not at all. That's you, Bob.</p>
<blockquote><p>Just look at all the chest-beating I generated by reflecting your own approach back at you for a brief moment.</p>
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<p>It wasn't my approach. It was yours. Lie, throw it, and hope it sticks. Anything generated as a result, including my responses, is on YOU.</p>
<blockquote><p>Too easy.</p>
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<p>Bob, I swear. I've busted a gut laughing at those last two words. What's easier for you than lying and chickening out?</p>
<p>It's like you've walked into the forum with a giant pile of steaming shit in each hand. Then, before a stunned TA community, you stuff the shit into your mouth and smear it all over your face, head, neck, and shoulders. Then put your hands on your hips, throw your head back, and proclaim triumphantly, "Too easy!"</p> Your Church has been a source…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-05-16:1982180:Comment:13116822013-05-16T21:46:33.237ZDr. Bobhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/ProfessorRobert
<blockquote><p>Your Church has been a source of human unhappiness and misery for centuries. Whether or not "God" exists doesn't even have any bearing on the effects of mind control, guilt, fear, and hypocritical behaviour dictated by the "chaste" sexual perverts calling themselves Priests and Nuns, Bishops and Cardinals, and Popes, as they control people's behavior by capitalizing on the natural fear of death.<br></br><br></br>And yes your "church" was all about the "ass-raping" from the very…</p>
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<blockquote><p>Your Church has been a source of human unhappiness and misery for centuries. Whether or not "God" exists doesn't even have any bearing on the effects of mind control, guilt, fear, and hypocritical behaviour dictated by the "chaste" sexual perverts calling themselves Priests and Nuns, Bishops and Cardinals, and Popes, as they control people's behavior by capitalizing on the natural fear of death.<br/><br/>And yes your "church" was all about the "ass-raping" from the very beginnings with the homosexual, pedophilic, mysogynist "Paul" duping an ignorant population of peasants with his con-man bullshit and setting up the organization of psychopaths, of which you are one. And you are not the most deceptive psycopath I've seen, but you try hard.</p>
<p>If you do not defend it, I say FUCK YOU anyway because you're a prick, obviously.</p>
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<p>LOL. Like I said, relatively boorish and sophomoric, where it isn't just prejudiced nonsense.</p>
<blockquote><p>In this case the lie was claiming we atheists are your intellectual inferiors and you refuse to debate us because our arguments bore you to tears.</p>
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<p>Arguments like the one above that ended in "Fuck You?" Who wouldn't be bored to tears? Seriously! </p>
<p>All I did, @Gallup, was deny <strong>your own</strong> claim of intellectual superiority: "Atheists overwhelmingly test your faith on an intellectual level." Just look at all the chest-beating I generated by reflecting your own approach back at you for a brief moment.</p>
<p>Too easy. </p> Your backhanded admiration of…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-05-16:1982180:Comment:13115882013-05-16T19:48:35.764ZJohnny 4 Rockhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Johnny4Rock
<p>Your backhanded admiration of other's views and this page, isn't hiding your smug condescension, Professor Robert. Bob.<br></br><br></br>Your verbal tactic of using indirect insults, and coded derisiveness, is actually quite common. It's an elementary style of offending, and is often seen coming from those like you, who have a mistaken sense of superiority, but have no original thoughts to back it up.<br></br><br></br>The level of perception here is higher than you give credit for, but I refuse to…</p>
<p>Your backhanded admiration of other's views and this page, isn't hiding your smug condescension, Professor Robert. Bob.<br/><br/>Your verbal tactic of using indirect insults, and coded derisiveness, is actually quite common. It's an elementary style of offending, and is often seen coming from those like you, who have a mistaken sense of superiority, but have no original thoughts to back it up.<br/><br/>The level of perception here is higher than you give credit for, but I refuse to personally indulge you. I have read your comments, and you have all your trite phrases already prepared. You have never shown any creative language, you just churn out trite rhetoric by rote.<br/><br/>"Underwhelming" indeed.<br/><br/>Your Church has been a source of human unhappiness and misery for centuries. Whether or not "God" exists doesn't even have any bearing on the effects of mind control, guilt, fear, and hypocritical behaviour dictated by the "chaste" sexual perverts calling themselves Priests and Nuns, Bishops and Cardinals, and Popes, as they control people's behavior by capitalizing on the natural fear of death.<br/><br/>And yes your "church" was all about the "ass-raping" from the very beginnings with the homosexual, pedophilic, mysogynist "Paul" duping an ignorant population of peasants with his con-man bullshit and setting up the organization of psychopaths, of which you are one. And you are not the most deceptive psycopath I've seen, but you try hard.<br/><br/>If you defend this criminal, sexual guilt and fear religion, I say fuck you.<br/><br/>If you do not defend it, I say FUCK YOU anyway because you're a prick, obviously.<br/><br/></p> Don't forget Thor! Thor is r…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-05-16:1982180:Comment:13117562013-05-16T18:08:07.761ZJohnny 4 Rockhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Johnny4Rock
<p>Don't forget Thor! Thor is real.</p>
<p>Don't forget Thor! Thor is real.</p> You're a smug little prick, a…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-05-16:1982180:Comment:13117552013-05-16T18:05:39.579ZJohnny 4 Rockhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Johnny4Rock
<p>You're a smug little prick, aren't you Robert.</p>
<p>You're a smug little prick, aren't you Robert.</p> I call bullshit. You lie lik…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-05-16:1982180:Comment:13117542013-05-16T17:36:06.195ZJohnny 4 Rockhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Johnny4Rock
<p>I call bullshit. You lie like Muslims do.</p>
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<p>I call bullshit. You lie like Muslims do.</p>
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