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Given how much FIOS had been scaling back and the stagnation in channel adds, I'm more than a little surprised by this.

I think the most telling statistic in the FIOS numbers is that even with most of their customers subscribing to relatively high speed broadband, their ARPU is only $7 more than that of DIRECTV. DIRECTV would seem to be pretty firmly established as the leader in high fee TV. Great for the company but not so much for the subscribers.

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What will be most interesting is how bad churn is in la for this quarter especially if they never pick up the lakers channel. I never thought that the pac12 by itself could cause major issues but I full well believe it combined with the lakers channel will cause them major churn increases and likely a sub loss in at least the California market if not flat growth for the company.

I see the larger problem of not picking up either of these channels being that at some point people in la are found to be less likely to even consider dtv and that in the long run will hurt them, especially on churn I think.

What will be most interesting is how bad churn is in la for this quarter especially if they never pick up the lakers channel. I never thought that the pac12 by itself could cause major issues but I full well believe it combined with the lakers channel will cause them major churn increases and likely a sub loss in at least the California market if not flat growth for the company.

I see the larger problem of not picking up either of these channels being that at some point people in la are found to be less likely to even consider dtv and that in the long run will hurt them, especially on churn I think.

White on the call said they watch churn numbers every day and the reason why. So I'd guess if there was a major increase in the LA market they might be more flexible. But White also said the current RSN model is broken, doesn't like how the teams start up a new channel repackaging some existing programming and want a big increase.

White on the call said they watch churn numbers every day and the reason why. So I'd guess if there was a major increase in the LA market they might be more flexible. But White also said the current RSN model is broken, doesn't like how the teams start up a new channel repackaging some existing programming and want a big increase.

I think we need to take his comments with a grain of salt...remember DirecTV owns Root Sports. He doesn't like the fact teams are starting their own networks...with the help of the likes of Comcast/TWC. DirecTV sees teams they had deals with hin the past leaving to better offers from another provider. Most of the "new" channels started up were with the help of another provider CSN Houston (Rockets Astros) and TWC (Lakers). I highly doubt he'd be saying the system was broken if Root went into a market and started up a channel with the help of a major sports franchise. I don't think they Dodgers have signed a new deal yet, I am sure Root would love to be a player with the Dodgers if/when they start up their own network.

I think we need to take his comments with a grain of salt...remember DirecTV owns Root Sports. He doesn't like the fact teams are starting their own networks...with the help of the likes of Comcast/TWC. DirecTV sees teams they had deals with hin the past leaving to better offers from another provider. Most of the "new" channels started up were with the help of another provider CSN Houston (Rockets Astros) and TWC (Lakers). I highly doubt he'd be saying the system was broken if Root went into a market and started up a channel with the help of a major sports franchise. I don't think they Dodgers have signed a new deal yet, I am sure Root would love to be a player with the Dodgers if/when they start up their own network.

I thought the Root channels were a rebranding of channels they got when they did the deal with Liberty to get majority ownership, along with GSN channel?