Auburn will likely get some cap relief in the next few days, maybe they will be interested

I know you jest but they do need a spread QB and Denard ain't staying in Michigan in a pro-style attack. Denard would have to adapt because Borges ain't. He's probably gone but sitting out a year won't be at the top of his list at Auburn or anywhere else.

Auburn will likely get some cap relief in the next few days, maybe they will be interested

I know you jest but they do need a spread QB and Denard ain't staying in Michigan in a pro-style attack. Denard would have to adapt because Borges ain't. He's probably gone but sitting out a year won't be at the top of his list at Auburn or anywhere else.

If he's smart (which he probably isn't, he's at scUM after all) he'd just get it over with and move to tailback or to the slot. Which is his only chance of playing in the NFL. And if Tate becomes the QB, tailback is the way to go.

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peeker643 wrote:I know you jest but they do need a spread QB and Denard ain't staying in Michigan in a pro-style attack. Denard would have to adapt because Borges ain't. He's probably gone but sitting out a year won't be at the top of his list at Auburn or anywhere else.

Auburn has a freshman coming in this fall that I just watched the other day in the Under Armour All-Star Game, and who looks like Newton clone, although not as tall. he's about 6' 2", 230....big, strong, fast, big arm. Name is Frazier...someone to watch out for for sure.

I have no idea what's on Denard's mind, but you'd think a smart coach would be able to find a role for an athlete that good, no matter what style of offense he's running.

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peeker643 wrote:I know you jest but they do need a spread QB and Denard ain't staying in Michigan in a pro-style attack. Denard would have to adapt because Borges ain't. He's probably gone but sitting out a year won't be at the top of his list at Auburn or anywhere else.

Auburn has a freshman coming in this fall that I just watched the other day in the Under Armour All-Star Game, and who looks like Newton clone, although not as tall. he's about 6' 2", 230....big, strong, fast, big arm. Name is Frazier...someone to watch out for for sure.

I have no idea what's on Denard's mind, but you'd think a smart coach would be able to find a role for an athlete that good, no matter what style of offense he's running.

Agree with you and Al as to the other position thing but if the kid has his heart set on QB (and I agree that might be the death knell for anything beyond college for him) it's just not gonna be at UM.

On Twitter it was noted Louisville and Clemson (now running spread) are potential landing places if QB is his final answer.

peeker643 wrote:Agree with you and Al as to the other position thing but if the kid has his heart set on QB (and I agree that might be the death knell for anything beyond college for him) it's just not gonna be at UM.

On Twitter it was noted Louisville and Clemson (now running spread) are potential landing places if QB is his final answer.

awesome, I still hold by that he'd be better suited on a West Virginia team though, but would great to see him play for the tigers.

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

So Forcier is gone and Robinson is likely next. Let's say Hoke is the man (despite finishing 3rd in the race). How long before his recruits and system are likely to produce an actual football team up there? 2-3 years given that UM will have no issue in regard to recruiting?

Does it happen with Hoke at all?

Is Chris Relf their guy for next season despite nearly being switched to receiver when he got there because he's not much of a QB?

peeker643 wrote:So Forcier is gone and Robinson is likely next. Let's say Hoke is the man (despite finishing 3rd in the race). How long before his recruits and system are likely to produce an actual football team up there? 2-3 years given that UM will have no issue in regard to recruiting?

Does it happen with Hoke at all?

Is Chris Relf their guy for next season despite nearly being switched to receiver when he got there because he's not much of a QB?

I've read in a few places that Devin Gardner is supposedly better than both Forcier and Robinson. But, if that's the case, why the hell hasn't he seen the field?

peeker643 wrote:So Forcier is gone and Robinson is likely next. Let's say Hoke is the man (despite finishing 3rd in the race). How long before his recruits and system are likely to produce an actual football team up there? 2-3 years given that UM will have no issue in regard to recruiting?

Does it happen with Hoke at all?

Is Chris Relf their guy for next season despite nearly being switched to receiver when he got there because he's not much of a QB?

I've read in a few places that Devin Gardner is supposedly better than both Forcier and Robinson. But, if that's the case, why the hell hasn't he seen the field?

Again though, he's the poster boy for the spread offense. Take a look from a recruiting piece on ESPN Insider a year or so ago:

Very unorthodox and at times not pretty. He is a fantastic prospect athletically and looks great on the hoof. Is the ideal fit for the spread offense and a short controlled passing game that plays off his threat as a runner. He is a gifted player with his legs and can improvise and create positive plays when things break down. Initial quickness and ability to take off out of the pocket is excellent. He can cut, shows burst changing directions and could develop into a dangerous read-option operator.

Does this mean they'll look to run a pro-style offense through him? Doesn't sound like it to me.

Gardner shows very good arm strength and when his feet are set he can drive the ball down field and shows very good RPM's on short and intermediate routes. He can fit the ball into tight spots and gets rid of the ball quickly for the most part. Has shown flashes of a very quick delivery when forced to dump the ball off in the face of the rush. However, for all his athleticism and arm strength, Gardner's mechanics need a lot of work. Fortunately he is blessed with height because he has a very low release point and is a side-arm passer that cradles the ball and tends to push it in his delivery. He must improve his overall footwork and set up as he rarely sets his feet and throws off his back foot way too much. This takes away from his arm strength and negatively affects his accuracy.

peeker643 wrote:On Twitter it was noted Louisville and Clemson (now running spread) are potential landing places if QB is his final answer.

Louisville has Teddy Bridgewater coming in to play QB...he is an ex-Hurricane commit who changed his mind when Shannon got fired, and he looked like Denard II in the all-star game last weekend...unbelievable speed and quickness..decent arm. Not saying they wouldn't love to have Denard down there, but Bridgewater will be the man there, and he might be hard to dislodge after Denard sits out. He could be that good.

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Who knows if he has offenseive orthodoxy (besides probbaly being conservative s D coaches tend to be) .

Saw D Gardner in HS. He's not Henne or Navarre but he can probably play a multiple I QB

Hoke ain't the issue for the QBs. It's Borges who runs close to a WCO and whose coached guys like Tony Garaziani, Cade McNown and Jason Campbell to college success. Say what ya want about Campbell and McNown in the NFL but Borges turned them each into All Americans and 1st round picks.

He's not a spread guy. Can he turn Robinson into a tailback? I dunno. But he ain't gonna be Borges's first choice at QB, I'll tell ya that.

Who knows if he has offenseive orthodoxy (besides probbaly being conservative s D coaches tend to be) .

Saw D Gardner in HS. He's not Henne or Navarre but he can probably play a multiple I QB

Hoke ain't the issue for the QBs. It's Borges who runs close to a WCO and whose coached guys like Tony Garaziani, Cade McNown and Jason Campbell to college success. Say what ya want about Campbell and McNown in the NFL but Borges turned them each into All Americans and 1st round picks.

He's not a spread guy. Can he turn Robinson into a tailback? I dunno. But he ain't gonna be Borges's first choice at QB, I'll tell ya that.

Slot receiver. Dude is electric and runs a legit 4.3 Hoke does everything he can to get him to stay, including lying his ass off about Robinson's NFL future.

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Who knows if he has offenseive orthodoxy (besides probbaly being conservative s D coaches tend to be) .

Saw D Gardner in HS. He's not Henne or Navarre but he can probably play a multiple I QB

Hoke ain't the issue for the QBs. It's Borges who runs close to a WCO and whose coached guys like Tony Garaziani, Cade McNown and Jason Campbell to college success. Say what ya want about Campbell and McNown in the NFL but Borges turned them each into All Americans and 1st round picks.

He's not a spread guy. Can he turn Robinson into a tailback? I dunno. But he ain't gonna be Borges's first choice at QB, I'll tell ya that.

Slot receiver. Dude is electric and runs a legit 4.3 Hoke does everything he can to get him to stay, including lying his ass off about Robinson's NFL future.

He's fragile but okay.

All I was saying is if Robinson has his heart set on playing QB he'll have to do it somewhere else. If he's willing to play somewhere another position that's fine. I agree he's electric for the 12 plays a game he's not hurt.

OSU-Michigan, kid hurts his non-throwing hand and leaves the game. Not a fracture, not a surgical ligament, etc, it hurts. He's not even under center where it would be amplified. He says he can't go. That says all you need to hear about the guy IMO as QB.

They almost had to burn a redshirt year for one of their QBs in the Gator Bowl because of his fragility.

peeker643 wrote:OSU-Michigan, kid hurts his non-throwing hand and leaves the game. Not a fracture, not a surgical ligament, etc, it hurts. He's not even under center where it would be amplified. He says he can't go. That says all you need to hear about the guy IMO as QB.

I agree 100 percent. I can't believe more wasn't made of this when it happened. That was the most pitiful, despicable, disgraceful thing I've ever seen in The Game. If that were an OSU QB, I would want him kicked off the team immediately.

That being said, he might be the best option at this point for um at QB because Forcier is gone and Gardner is also a spread QB. I'd rather have Denard's game-breaking ability (albeit for 12 plays a game) and experience over Gardner's inexperience. And I believe Gardner was hurt for a good portion of this season as well.

Hoke does have a history of catering his offense around his QB. At Ball State he went to a spread look with Nate Davis and rode him to a 12-0 season and a new job in San Diego.

Who knows if he has offenseive orthodoxy (besides probbaly being conservative s D coaches tend to be) .

Saw D Gardner in HS. He's not Henne or Navarre but he can probably play a multiple I QB

Hoke ain't the issue for the QBs. It's Borges who runs close to a WCO and whose coached guys like Tony Garaziani, Cade McNown and Jason Campbell to college success. Say what ya want about Campbell and McNown in the NFL but Borges turned them each into All Americans and 1st round picks.

He's not a spread guy. Can he turn Robinson into a tailback? I dunno. But he ain't gonna be Borges's first choice at QB, I'll tell ya that.

Slot receiver. Dude is electric and runs a legit 4.3 Hoke does everything he can to get him to stay, including lying his ass off about Robinson's NFL future.

Mister Robinson. Paging Mr. Robinson on white courtesy telephone. There is a Mr. Breaston wanting to speak with you.

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Interesting set of comments here, thought it appropriate to bump now that the final nail has landed in Hoke's coffin. This in now a lost season for scUM (like the last couple) with a lame duck coach. I expect them to continue to keep mixing and matching but their staff just blows.

I have no idea who they hire, it just isn't the job it was 10 years ago and with the prime rivals (OSU and MSU) so far ahead it has to be viewed as a tough place to succeed. That said, scUM fans expectations are currently so low that you could get by with 8-9 wins for a few years if you can just beat the MAC and the bottom of the B1G consistently.

If you look back at Hoke's record, he was never really qualified for the job: He was sub .500 at Ball State and had not clearly turned the program around. He parlayed a single good season (12-1) into the SDSU job after a slew of sub .500 seasons. The guy was sub .500 for 4 years before going 7-6 and then 12-1. He then went 4-8 and then 9-4 at SDSU. That is not the resume of a guy that takes over at one of the blue-bloods. He was hired because scUM was desparate to get a guy that loved scUM after the Dick Rod disaster. I was underwater when Hoke was hired, but I remember reacting like WTF? and WTF is this guy? I thought he could be successful because he "got it" but he never got the right assistants.

I think scUM goes mercenary on the next hire and we see them back up the Brinks truck to get a guy like Dan Mullen up there. They are not going to be able to poach a top program guy, and don't even try to sell me Les Miles, he is getting old now. I suppose it is possible but I think Miles is now in his early 60s.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

You've got to remember, the thing about Hoke was that 'he turns programs around' so the focus was really on the progression of the records, and not necessarily the overall record. Plus, at the end of the Rich Rod era, I don't think Michigan fans thought it could get any worse. HE was the problem, so anything different would fix it. [e.g. Your sig line]

I was talking about this over the weekend, and if you're Michigan, who do you want? I forgot about Mullen, but that would be a good one. My thought was Sumlin, but I don't know if Michigan has a the pull to get him from A&M. Now that their in the SEC and with UT down, it's pretty much the top school in Texas. Seems like a good place to be [plus, I think they just backed up the Brinks for him]. Also mentioned other Big 12 guys Briles and Gundy but they've both been at their schools so long, they may not leave.

Another guy I'd go after hard if I were SCUM is Pat Fitzgerald. I really like that guy and think with his B1G experience, he could do really well with some better talent...but he's a NW guy through and through so I'm not sure if he leaves.

It's a tough call right now. I'm not sure any of those guys is the right answer, they may very well just have to do their homework and go out and find a guy from nowhere like Tressel or Chip Kelly.

Good points, and I forgot about my sig line which is very appropriate for this thread...

I don't think they have a snowball's chance in hell at Sumlin and I don't think Fitz leaves because scUM at this point is only marginally better than a lateral move... why give up your alma mater for a lower third B1G East program with extremely high expectations and no natural recruiting base?

I think Mullen would be a hell of a hire for them and if I were scUM that is where I would back up my Brinks truck.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.