You just get arrested for possession of a legal gun at the Empire State Building? Is this like a NYC law? I live upstate, and you are definitely not simply arrested for having a legal gun with permit on you in public. It sounds like going up to a security guard/cop and informing them that you are carrying, and asking what the policy is for the premises, and if you can leave a gun with someone, is just about the most correct thing you can do in this situation.

Tommy Moo:You just get arrested for possession of a legal gun at the Empire State Building? Is this like a NYC law? I live upstate, and you are definitely not simply arrested for having a legal gun with permit on you in public. It sounds like going up to a security guard/cop and informing them that you are carrying, and asking what the policy is for the premises, and if you can leave a gun with someone, is just about the most correct thing you can do in this situation.

Are you completely naive? You live in upstate NY and you don't know about the really strict gun laws in NYC?

Tommy Moo:You just get arrested for possession of a legal gun at the Empire State Building? Is this like a NYC law? I live upstate, and you are definitely not simply arrested for having a legal gun with permit on you in public. It sounds like going up to a security guard/cop and informing them that you are carrying, and asking what the policy is for the premises, and if you can leave a gun with someone, is just about the most correct thing you can do in this situation.

No, the most correct thing a gun owner can do before traveling is to learn the gun laws in the specific area to which he will be traveling.

In NYC, you cannot carry a firearm without a permit issued by the city itself.

Tommy Moo:You just get arrested for possession of a legal gun at the Empire State Building? Is this like a NYC law? I live upstate, and you are definitely not simply arrested for having a legal gun with permit on you in public. It sounds like going up to a security guard/cop and informing them that you are carrying, and asking what the policy is for the premises, and if you can leave a gun with someone, is just about the most correct thing you can do in this situation.

Skanque:Tommy Moo: You just get arrested for possession of a legal gun at the Empire State Building? Is this like a NYC law? I live upstate, and you are definitely not simply arrested for having a legal gun with permit on you in public. It sounds like going up to a security guard/cop and informing them that you are carrying, and asking what the policy is for the premises, and if you can leave a gun with someone, is just about the most correct thing you can do in this situation.

Are you completely naive? You live in upstate NY and you don't know about the really strict gun laws in NYC?

The only thing I see is that they do not have a reciprocity clause with the state of Georgia. There ought to be a much smaller deal made out of a Georgian with a CC permit carrying in NY than some random guy with no permit from any state brandishing a gun with the serial number filed off.

Tommy Moo:You just get arrested for possession of a legal gun at the Empire State Building? Is this like a NYC law? I live upstate, and you are definitely not simply arrested for having a legal gun with permit on you in public. It sounds like going up to a security guard/cop and informing them that you are carrying, and asking what the policy is for the premises, and if you can leave a gun with someone, is just about the most correct thing you can do in this situation.

Are you an idiot or trolling again?

You can't just go to random states and just hope you can carry legally there. As a NY resident you should know that. And you should damn well know you can be arrested for carrying a pistol illegally in public, in ANY damn state.

Tommy Moo:Skanque: Tommy Moo: You just get arrested for possession of a legal gun at the Empire State Building? Is this like a NYC law? I live upstate, and you are definitely not simply arrested for having a legal gun with permit on you in public. It sounds like going up to a security guard/cop and informing them that you are carrying, and asking what the policy is for the premises, and if you can leave a gun with someone, is just about the most correct thing you can do in this situation.

Are you completely naive? You live in upstate NY and you don't know about the really strict gun laws in NYC?

The only thing I see is that they do not have a reciprocity clause with the state of Georgia. There ought to be a much smaller deal made out of a Georgian with a CC permit carrying in NY than some random guy with no permit from any state brandishing a gun with the serial number filed off.

Those are the state laws. Local laws within the NYC boundaries are much stricter, and while a big deal shouldn't be made about this, the guy should have researched the gun laws of the place he was traveling to. It's no secret that NYC is insanely strict.

Yanks_RSJ:Tommy Moo: You just get arrested for possession of a legal gun at the Empire State Building? Is this like a NYC law? I live upstate, and you are definitely not simply arrested for having a legal gun with permit on you in public. It sounds like going up to a security guard/cop and informing them that you are carrying, and asking what the policy is for the premises, and if you can leave a gun with someone, is just about the most correct thing you can do in this situation.

No, the most correct thing a gun owner can do before traveling is to learn the gun laws in the specific area to which he will be traveling.

In NYC, you cannot carry a firearm without a permit issued by the city itself.

Or, you know, he could just leave it at home. But that would just be a crazy thing to do.

Damn, a sig? Thats a nice gun right there... They need to keep the gun, release the guy and tell him to stay out of NYC for at least a year... But this is NYC, so I am sure this guy will be treated like a sociopath about to murder everyone instead of a dumb-ass like he really is.

Eejits. I was under the impression that if you get to carry a deadly weapon then you accept extra responsibility to ensure that you obey all related laws. Now they've been arrested and if there is any justice will lose the right to carry a gun having now committed a gun related offence.

If you're too stupid to understand that the places you visit around the country might have different laws than those of where you come from, then you are definitely too stupid to have a CCW license and as a license holder I'm glad you got arrested.

Hopefully his gun will be confiscated and melted down by NYC and he will be banned from owning additional guns for many years to come.

Yanks_RSJ:No, the most correct thing a gun owner can do before traveling is to learn the gun laws in the specific area to which he will be traveling.

In NYC, you cannot carry a firearm without a permit issued by the city itself.

Because of the byzantine nature of local, state, and federal laws, along with the fact that some places chose to ignore federal laws about 'safe passage' (I'm looking at you NJ and NYC), what we really need is national reciprocity.

If you have a permit that passes some federal standard on training and background checks issued by your home state, then why not let them carry everywhere it's legal to carry a gun?

Tell you what: In the true spirit of compromise, I'd be willing to accept universal background checks for all non-family gun transfers in order to get national reciprocity.

Tommy Moo:The only thing I see is that they do not have a reciprocity clause with the state of Georgia. There ought to be a much smaller deal made out of a Georgian with a CC permit carrying in NY than some random guy with no permit from any state brandishing a gun with the serial number filed off.

Except that this was NYC. There is no difference. He'll be treated as if though he was seconds away from bullet-murdering a bunch of special needs kindergartners.

dittybopper:Tell you what: In the true spirit of compromise, I'd be willing to accept universal background checks for all non-family gun transfers in order to get national reciprocity.

I'm willing to concede that NYC often treats these issues with an absurd degree of punishment, however I do not want a city full of armed tourists, regardless of the background checks. Now, if you'd like to make arrangements with NYC law enforcement upon your visit to our city, I'd be more than willing to have them mind your weapon while you sample the fare at a different Applebees or Olive Garden than the one you frequent in your town.

Gordon Bennett:Eejits. I was under the impression that if you get to carry a deadly weapon then you accept extra responsibility to ensure that you obey all related laws. Now they've been arrested and if there is any justice will lose the right to carry a gun having now committed a gun related offence.

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Hows does "if you get to carry a deadly weapon" and a story about an arrest just because someone was carrying a deadly weapon match up in your head?

dittybopper:Yanks_RSJ: No, the most correct thing a gun owner can do before traveling is to learn the gun laws in the specific area to which he will be traveling.

In NYC, you cannot carry a firearm without a permit issued by the city itself.

Because of the byzantine nature of local, state, and federal laws, along with the fact that some places chose to ignore federal laws about 'safe passage' (I'm looking at you NJ and NYC), what we really need is national reciprocity.

If you have a permit that passes some federal standard on training and background checks issued by your home state, then why not let them carry everywhere it's legal to carry a gun?

Tell you what: In the true spirit of compromise, I'd be willing to accept universal background checks for all non-family gun transfers in order to get national reciprocity.

WalkingCarpet:"KelvinTheClown: Remember, gay marriage licenses from state to state will be honored, but your gun permit is not.

Until someone gets killed by or menaced with someone holding a gay marriage license this analogy makes zero sense."

Fine - your killing and menacing of the English language put aside, here's a better comparison: Drivers' licenses from state to state are honored, but gun permits are not. Meanwhile, VASTLY more people each year are killed and injured by cars than by guns. And while driving is a privilege (i.e. nobody technically has to grant it), gun possession is supposedly a constitutionally protected right.

Yet people like yourself are perfectly OK with someone going to jail as a result of the latter being denied, while you would no doubt be up in arms (so to speak) about any infringement on the former. And because there are more people who drive cars than there are gun owners, society condones that. There's a term for this - it's called tyranny of the majority.

Well, duh - guns at the Empire State building are more dangerous than guns elsewhere. Stupid hayseed should know better than to take a gun where the coriolis effect and the Earth's magnetic leylines interact suboptimally with firearms and render them super-duper dangerous without the knowledge of the person carrying them. It has nothing to do with self defense, or anything about the training or intent of the person carrying, it's all about how deadly these things become in certain geographic places. What a moron.

did I get the point they're trying to make right?

/also, is the NY Post keen on calling people "dopey" in its news stories, or is it one of those rags that publishes everything as an opinion piece and tries to pass it off as news?

The security at the Empire State Building is a little odd. I once visited with some friends and they don't let you bring knives or wrenches up there for some reason. They do have little boxes that they'll store stuff in until you come back down at least.

I guess they don't want anyone to hijack the building and crash it into an airplane or something.