Will [Eich] now be forced to walk through the streets in shame? Why not the stocks? The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society. If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.

You see, we do understand that the Gay Gestapo, that howling, frothing, fascist minority doesn’t speak for gay people as a whole any more than the Westboro Baptist Incest Club and Nut House speaks for Christians as a whole.

Nevertheless, Andy, well said.

Thatisall.

UPDATED: His Imperial Majesty, in a show of liberal fascist “tolerance” of different beliefs, has herewith tolerantly uninstalled FireFox in a very tolerant fashion. Oh who are we kidding? We fucking NUKED that thing. It’s actually quite liberating not to have a browser take up 1+ GB of RAM just to keep a half dozen tabs of Malaysian Midget Pr0n open. We wonder how we ever managed to put up with it. Oh, and importing everything to a new browser is a breeze. So… #FireFox #uninstalled.

I have used Mozilla for years, both the browser and Thunderbird. I spent the better part of yesterday switching over to and setting up Opera. While I’m very upset with Mozilla, I am furious with Eich. He is the FOUNDER of Mozilla, and its CEO; he should have stuck to his guns and fired everyone else. It’s HIS company. Had the owners of Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A resigned, I would have been just as angry with them.

Well, sestrichka, apart from the undiplomatic language (British Understatement Alert ), and we don’t have much of that around here to begin with, he’s right about the “marriage” bit. At least as far as I’m concerned. I have no problem with “civil union”, “partners” or “flygelhoopen”, and I have even less of a problem with the same legal visitation/inheritance and so on rights that apply to marriage applying to man-man or woman-woman relationships. It neither picks my pockets or breaks my bones.

But “marriage” is already taken. It already has a meaning. If they want a name for their unions, they can go make one themselves. I’ll even help if they’re interested

I mean, no matter how many hundreds of hours I’ve put into MS Flight Sim, enough that I can actually fly a real plane (though I wouldn’t trust my life with my skills on a regular basis), I know because I tried, I still don’t get to call myself “pilot.” Being a “pilot” has certain minimum prerequisites that you need to meet before you can start printing it on your business cards. That helps all of us. For one thing, it means that if we need somebody to fly us somewhere, we just need to ask them if they are a pilot. For another, it means that they don’t have to explain that they’re pilot-pilots as opposed to notatallpilotswhowouldliketobecalledpilots-pilots every time they’re asked what they do for a living.

And a man who loves a man or a woman who loves a woman, none of which I bear even the slightest ill will because, seriously, why WOULD I?, don’t meet the minimum prerequisite for being “married”, i.e. “being of the opposite sex.”

The definitions of a language make life easier for everybody in that they help us interpret the meaning correctly, most of the time, when we hear or read them. When everybody starts redefining words and misappropriating them, saying that they mean whatever the fuck they want them to mean, everything gets screwed and pretty soon we don’t know what anything means anymore.

But yeah, bruce could have said it nicer. A LOT. Still doesn’t change the meaning of what he said, though.

It looks like we have a rash of broken clocks on the left side of the political spectrum regarding this situation. Bill Maher has said that there is a gay mafia.
So when will he be forced out of his job by the Gay secret thought police?

Well, sestrichka, apart from the undiplomatic language (British Understatement Alert ), and we don’t have much of that around here to begin with, he’s right about the “marriage” bit. At least as far as I’m concerned. I have no problem with “civil union”, “partners” or “flygelhoopen”, and I have even less of a problem with the same legal visitation/inheritance and so on rights that apply to marriage applying to man-man or woman-woman relationships. It neither picks my pockets or breaks my bones.

As I just told someone on FB, I really thing this should be a free market issue. The government should have NOTHING to do with it other than to recognize equal rights for EVERYONE. If a particular church wants to recognize gay marriage and perform gay marriages, it should be up to that church. If it loses congregants as a result, then it will have a decision to make. It will likely lose some, and gain others, but ultimately it should be up to that church’s leadership and congregation and no one else to decide. Likewise, no one should have the right to force any church to perform and recognize a union that goes against the faith.

Every church should be free to recognize gay marriage or not, and every congregant should be free to stay or go based on whether they agree or don’t with that church’s policy.

I don’t even want to dignify brucetard’s fucktarded comments about homos not being gay and being sexual perverts. He really is fucking embarrassing to conservatives.

If a particular church wants to recognize gay marriage and perform gay marriages, it should be up to that church. If it loses congregants as a result, then it will have a decision to make.

Never had an issue with that. Heck, we’ve had “churches” treating the Bible as optional reading material for ages (see “Episcopalians”), so why shouldn’t they have a right to beclown themselves on this issue as well? It’s not like G-d is paying attention to them anyway.

It’s a matter of language. If they want to preside over a ceremony where two gay people dedicate themselves to each other, then let them have at it. Oh, and I wish the couple all the best, sincerely, with all of my heart.

But they don’t get to call it “marriage”, anymore than I get to call my fool ass self an “astronaut” just because I played X-wing vs. Tie Fighter back in the 90s. A LOT.

“Listen, if I was to walk about calling myself an emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they’d lock me away!”

That’s my only objection, and the only objection of every Christian I know of. And I can’t but find it quite telling that being offered everything they asked, EVERYTHING THEY ASKED, minus the one minor thing about the name, they chose to throw it all away and go to war instead. It’s almost as if they want it that way, as the Israelis said when the Paleoswinians turned down the Oslo accords. They were right, by the way.Emperor Misha I recently posted..“Tolerance”, Mozilla? You’re Doing it Wrong

Sullivan has mostly been treated with respect from the right. Now he is blowing the whistle on the little brown-shirt Ernst Rohm Nazis running around his politics and his party. For that I say ok. Its late, but Sullivan must eventually realize his live -and let live- epiphany ain’t gonna make it..Every instance of Gladd bullying (the little bossies! ) must be retaliated against in kind,whether it be in politics,religion,economics or education I believe being a Reactionary a la Truman is a great honor!

So what do you recommend my Liege? And don’t say Chrome. The Fucking system sucks sweaty monkey balls. I can’t stream FOX News or Tammy Bruce, I can’t post on the ‘Rott using Chrome and the fucking thing crashes with more than six tabs open.

A number of people have suggested Pale Moon as a replacement. It uses the Mozilla source code but is a fork of the original. I just installed it over the weekend and using the sync tool in Mozilla, was able to pull all my bookmarks, plugins and settings into Pale Moon.

I had to export some configs from specific plugins I like, but all in all I was up and running in about half an hour. Also, I’ve been having rendering problems with FireFox with sites like LinkedIn, American Express and Facebook. Now those sites work again.angrywebmaster recently posted..Congressman thinks they are underpaid

Light, Darth Venomous recommended one called Pale Moon. It’s basically Firefox with a different name. I tried it, but some of the same problems I was having with FX, I had with PM, also. I’m currently using Opera, and it’s fast, but there are things it won’t do…like render the icons on here properly. I am also giving Comodo IceDragon a try for a few days.

Request:
Input with pros & cons of other than Firefox, please.
and can someone do a link for how to uninstall Firefox.
For what it is worth, the Firefox/Mozilla contact site did finally allow e-m last night, so a simple “I’s dropping you” message might get through. [Granted, this may have all the impact of a contact to House Speaker site attempt, or to RNC about Jeb Bush or Christie.]

Might I engage in a bit of shameless self-promotion by pointing out that I first brought this to Imperial attention by mentioning this on the other thread?

That said, the only right thing to do is to get the government out of the business of “recognizing” marriages, period. (Good riddance; about the only reason government got into that business in the first place was to prevent interracial marriages, something which most everyone agrees now is bogus.)

If you want to get married, go see a priest of your choice who will perform the ceremony.

If you want to draw up legal contracts and powers of attorney which will provide for mutual support and support of offspring, this can be done as well. As a side bonus, if a dispute arises over the terms of those contracts, they can be litigated in an ordinary civil court, rather than “family court,” where perjury and the suborning of perjury is the order of the day.

Until then, about the only way to head this sort of shit off at the pass may be what Eric S. Raymond is doing…

Eich was forced out for donating $1000 to an anti-gay-marriage initiative? Then I think it is now the duty of every friend of free speech and every enemy of political bullying to pledge not only to donate $1000 to the next anti-gay-marriage initiative to come along, but to say publicly that they have done so as a protest against bullying.

This is my statement that I am doing so. I hope others will join me.

It is irrelevant whether we approve of gay marriage or not. The point here is that bullying must have consequences that deter the bullies, or we will get more of it. We must let these thugs know that they have sown dragon’s teeth, defeating themselves. Only in this way can we head off future abuses of similar kind.

I have to admit that I haven’t read all of the comments yet, but you might want to migrate to Pale Moon. It’s a FuehrerFox derivative, but it seems to have fixed that memory leak problem. Also, migrating from FF to Pale Moon is pretty painless. All of my bookmarks, cookies, history and addons all work just fine.

If you’re using Thunderbird, you might consider migrating to Fossamail. It’s from the Moonchild people as well. Still kind of new and I’ve heard that the migration is a)manual and b) hit or miss.

There’s also a thing you can change in the about:config settings to make the browser report as “unknown”. I don’t remember it exactly, but you might need to make that change to Pale Moon, as it might still report as FF due to its origins.

You know, I’ve been using FF since 1.0 and its predecessor Mozilla/Netscape before that. I guess this what comes from living in an echo chamber, where the entire hive speaks with one mind and all others must be excommunicated.Physics Geek recently posted..There’s a new moon arising

If you’re using Thunderbird, you might consider migrating to Fossamail. It’s from the Moonchild people as well. Still kind of new and I’ve heard that the migration is a)manual and b) hit or miss.

I just looked at that. It’s not quite ready for me as yet. I do use Thunderturd, however I have it set up as a portable app. Pale Moon also has a portable version and I’ve set that up and removed FF from my portable apps folder. I will keep an eye on it for future consideration.

Setting up pale moon was a snap. I just used the sync tool built into FF and Pale moon and it pulled all my settings, bookmarks and plugins over. I needed to pull a few configs from some of the plugins, but all in all, it took maybe 30 minutesangrywebmaster recently posted..California docs say No Thanks to Obamacare

The tool doesn’t work for the portable app (which I run at home), but I did post simple instructions on how to do it yourself. So simple, even Nancy Pelosi could do it. Haha, just kidding about that last part. Anyhoo, here’s how I migrated the portable version settings: I think that I left out the step to open/close Pale Moon, but hopefully people have that figured out.

I had heard that Fossamail wasn’t quite ready for prime time, but I’m a patient man. In the interim, there are other clients I can use.Physics Geek recently posted..There’s a new moon arising

I’ve moved to Chromium, which is the open source version of chrome. I’m on Kubuntu Linux. I was introduced to open source by the firefox project. so this has been hard.

I haven’t thought about my email since i do it through my phone mostly.

LC Nicki said

The government should have NOTHING to do with it other than to recognize equal rights for EVERYONE. If a particular church wants to recognize gay marriage and perform gay marriages, it should be up to that church.

First, Misha already explained what is wrong with trying to call something unequal equal.
if the people in a church wish to still call homosexual marriage wrong, the state has the capacity to punish them because the state has determined they do not have the right to call it wrong because the state says its normal. for example see the cases of bakers and wedding cakes.

I’ve always said this is not about equality but the Homosexuals trying to obtain supremacy over the Christians because they feel slighted because Christians have told homosexuals that they are wrong. It’s not just homosexuals that are in sin. ANY sex outside of marriage is wrong in God’s eyes. Premarital sex and adultery are wrong. So, homosexuals, get over yourselfs.

I have to admit that I haven’t read all of the comments yet, but you might want to migrate to Pale Moon. It’s a FuehrerFox derivative, but it seems to have fixed that memory leak problem. Also, migrating from FF to Pale Moon is pretty painless. All of my bookmarks, cookies, history and addons all work just fine.

I don’t know about memory leaks, but my Firefox hasn’t played nicely with Flash for eons, now, and PaleMoon has inherited that trait. I like the fact that PM resembles FX, but until that problem gets ironed out, I won’t use it.

Darth Venomous @ #:
DV, I have issues for quite awhile with Firefox. Flash, and Facebook. Usually, when I log onto FB, I get a flash error…something about how flash has stopped working. Then after I tell it to continue, it takes about 45 seconds to kick in.

Unfortunately, I’m getting that error on both PaleMoon and Comodo IceDragon, so I suspect is’t something on my computer.

Recommend? Well, to get rid of FührerFox quickly, I just migrated to Chrome because I know it works, even though it isn’t really my favorite thing. I just wanted to be rid of participation in Project Zombie Stalin.

However, now I’m sort of keen on Pale Moon. Does it import your stored passwords as well?

Yes. Use the migration tool (downloaded separately) to port everything over. Once done, you’ll not notice any difference, save for the browser name.

That, and the fact Pale Moon’s significantly faster.

Unfortunately, I’m getting that error on both PaleMoon and Comodo IceDragon, so I suspect is’t something on my computer.

Hmm. First thing I generally suspect is a corrupt Windoze user profile. If that’s the case with you, a profile reset will (read: should) take care of it. Reboot, log in as another user with admin privileges (create this account if it doesn’t already exist), rename your account to “accountname-old”, log off & log back in using your credentials.

(You’ll want to migrate all your documents & data from old profile to new, but it’s not that difficult.)Darth Venomous recently posted..This Young Lady Gets It!

Not only did it import my passwords and bookmarks, it imported my history as well. Other than the fact that the splash screen looks different, it works pretty much the same, only somewhat more responsive.

One added benefit which I just noticed (don’t know if I mentioned this) is that the search engine in the upper right corner is the fabulous, non-tracking, DuckDuckGo, which I like to use anyway so that Google can’t use my info for Dems.

You might also want to fiddle with your configuration so that the browser does not show up as FF/PM. Here are some steps to do so:

1) open a new tab
2)type about:config in the location bar
3) right click and select new/string
4)string name is general.useragent.override and the content is whatever you want to call it. Mine is set to PaleMoon 24.4.1

There is some possibility that a few websites will break if it cannot identify the browser. However, someone mentioned the following as a better fix:
Actually, there’s a better way. Locate string general.useragent.compatMode.firefox (note the search box) and set it to false. Then you will get the exact user agent string the author intended.

Still working through the details, but adding that last change has- so far- sites appear to identify my browser as Pale Moon.

If you like Chrome, but despise Google, I’ve heard that SR Iron is a good choice. I’ve also heard about Waterfox and other FF derivatives, but I’ve been very happy with PM, which makes it unlikely that I’ll change again. And I never use FF when I’m on a Linux system anyway, so it doesn’t really matter there.Physics Geek recently posted..There’s a new moon arising

Thanks for the about:config entry. I just changed mine.
I’ve been using pale moon for a few days now and I really am impressed. The only real issue I’ve found to date is an occasional glitch when I use the Citrix receiver to log into my company’s terminal server. For that reason alone, I may keep FireFart around for a bit.angrywebmaster recently posted..Jeb Bush loves illegal aliens

A lot of this switching around things because of the company’s actions seems somewhat futile to me. It seems that every time we go and switch because of some action, we find a new thing that works fine, but eventually the new thing has the same issue and we run to the next new thing. (how’s that for a run-on?)

It’s not that I’m terminally enamored with FireFox, but I’ve switched a few times. Chrome is nice, but over time it stopped being faster than FireFox, and after I got my Nexus 7 I uninstalled Chrome and went back to FireFox (because when I loaded Chrome for the first time on the Nexus 7, it downloaded googles copy of my bookmark file, which they’d lifted off my system (courtesy of their vague Terms of Service)).

Pale Moon sounds great, but how long before something happens with them?

Don’t know if I’m making much sense. I’m distraught these days over everything going on.

fuck you niki what have you ever done?i am a 100% disabled vietnam vet and you did what?i have been married for 44yrs and you?i am active in the tea party movement and send emails to all my congress critters when they talk shit about the second amendment.what have you done?homosexuality is not normal in any way shape or form,it is a perversion of normal sex.what have you done for your future will you be a burden on the tax payer?i will take care of my wife and i with savings which amount to over 1,00,000 and three homes all paid for.so go fuck your self.

Being an adjunct college “professor” I run into gay students, faculty members, and others all the time at school. I have no problem with them as long as they don’t try to force me to accept them based only on their sexual preference, I judge them on how they treat me and others and regularly engage them in debate on this issue. What I have discovered is that most of the gay marriage advocates are more about the benefits accrued from marriage rather than the institution……so I say, OK give them the benefits, and tax the shit out of them just like a regular married couple, but leave marriage alone.

and bruce, it’s just the way you say things man. Using terms like knee-grow and butt buddies, hook queens……do you really think they add any value to your arguments or opinions?

and bruce, it’s just the way you say things man. Using terms like knee-grow and butt buddies, hook queens……do you really think they add any value to your arguments or opinions?

While I think Bruce goes over the top at times, I don’t think what we read from him is any worse than other things we’ve read here, or seen here…or have you forgotten The Major, BC, and Radical Redneck’s taste in “art”?

Also Brucie, your insistence on no capitalization, misuse of punctuation and no spaces between sentences, makes my eyes hurt. It also gives me the impression that you dropped out of third grade after failing it twice or more.

fuck you niki what have you ever done?i am a 100% disabled vietnam vet and you did what?i have been married for 44yrs and you?i am active in the tea party movement and send emails to all my congress critters when they talk shit about the second amendment.what have you done?homosexuality is not normal in any way shape or form,it is a perversion of normal sex.what have you done for your future will you be a burden on the tax payer?i will take care of my wife and i with savings which amount to over 1,00,000 and three homes all paid for.so go fuck your self.

Mish, what are you using for a browser now? I’m actually scared of Chrome! Seriously. I didn’t like Opera, and I will not EVER use Exploder. What are my options here? Anyone else please also chime in. Deej said he uses Chrome. Anyone else?

i am active in the tea party movement and send emails to all my congress critters when they talk shit about the second amendment.what have you done?

Oh goody. Illiterate, moronic ramblings to Congress will do so much! As to what have I done for the Second Amendment? LMAO! You mean other than being one of the founding editors for one of NRA’s magazines, write for Jews for Preservation of Firearms Ownership, News Director for Second Amendment Foundation’s keepandbeararms.com, and former National Spokesperson for Armed Females of America, as well as radio appearances and numerous published works both on the Internet and in magazines? I guess nothing much. But I can guarantee you one thing: my letters, articles and press releases never included the words “butt buddies,” “queers,” “knee grows” or other shitspeak you like to use in your barely literate, frothing missives.

homosexuality is not normal in any way shape or form,it is a perversion of normal sex

I feel sorry for your wife. You must only have sex in the missionary position with the lights off, and only for procreational purposes. And congratulations on perpetuating the ignorant fuckstick stereotype for conservatives by spouting off about sex, as if that is really the issue at heart.

what have you done for your future will you be a burden on the tax payer?i will take care of my wife and i with savings which amount to over 1,00,000 and three homes all paid for.

Is 1,00,000 an actual number? Working in illicit finance and national security, I’ve never heard of such an amount, and we follow AML/CFT issues pretty closely! Hmmmmm… I’ll have to look into that.

You want to be taken seriously? Stop spewing ignorance. You want to have serious conversations, stop using racist invective. You’ve proved every point I made about you, AND you tried to use your veteran status to shield yourself from criticism! In other words, you’re a fucking moron.

I have to admit that I haven’t read all of the comments yet, but you might want to migrate to Pale Moon.

Oh, I didn’t see this earlier! I’ll have to try this when I get home!

BTW – I’ve read some of the comments on Mozilla’s website regarding this, and the vast majority are pretty derogatory! That’s a good sign.LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch recently posted..Women and Guns, Women and Freedom

Someone asked me once if Homosexuality was a sin. I said “yes, I think it is.”

That same individual then asked me if I support gay marriage and I said “not in its presently proposed form.”

He then accused me of being homophobic and a bigot, and that my religion had blinded me to human compassion. I suggest that he as a complete moron. I told him that I worked two jobs because times are tough for me. I am a programmer by day and a DJ by night. I work regular gigs at several clubs, one of which is actually a GAY club. I explained that I have many friends who are gay, probably more than he did, and that I have nothing but care and concern for them both as friends and as fellow humans.

The man looked confused by this, and so I explained further. I told him that I have sinned, too. I have done things that my religion doesn’t look kindly upon and there was little doubt that I would do more such things in the future. Christianity proposes that everybody sins and that it’s not our job, as flawed individuals, to be overly bothered by this. Man had fallen, and that was that. I told him that when it comes to gay marriage, all I really wanted was to see the government get out of the marriage business altogether. Let it be a private matter between consenting adults. Sign a contract about such legal matters as need to be documented, like visitation rights and property inheritance. Conduct your chosen ceremony at a place willing to cater to your sensibilities.

He said — and I’ll never forget this — “well I don’t understand. Then nobody would be forced to admit that being gay is okay.” I shook my head and walked away. The man would never understand and, in any event, I had work to do. There were gay folks that wanted to pay me to spin tunes at their establishment and they didn’t need to force me to admit anything, except, perhaps, that any tune from Beyonce was terrible enough to be banned from my playlist. Some gay folks understand that. Others don’t. I don’t much care for the latter, but the former are just fine by me — especially when they hire me and pay in cash.LC Xealot recently posted..University Storm

Oh ho ho…Karl Denninger hits on an interesting point…the almost-certainly-coerced Eich resignation was in violation of California law…the very same laws that the gay lobby demanded, and got passed, to protect gay people from discrimination!

§ 1101. Political activities of employees; prohibition of prevention or control by employer

No employer shall make, adopt, or enforce any rule, regulation, or policy:

(a) Forbidding or preventing employees from engaging or participating in politics or from becoming candidates for public office.

(b) Controlling or directing, or tending to control or direct the political activities or affiliations of employees.

§ 1102. Coercion or influence of political activities of employees

No employer shall coerce or influence or attempt to coerce or influence his employees through or by means of threat of discharge or loss of employment to adopt or follow or refrain from adopting or following any particular course or line of political action or political activity.

You want to be taken seriously? Stop spewing ignorance. You want to have serious conversations, stop using racist invective. You’ve proved every point I made about you, AND you tried to use your veteran status to shield yourself from criticism! In other words, you’re a fucking moron.

I tend to use Konqueror. There are some minor text rendering issues I’ve had with it, but it’s pretty robust. Not only as a web browser (you can split screens with it easily), but also as a file manager. I also play with Chromium and Epiphany. Not as much time to play since child #3 came along, but I do what I can.Physics Geek recently posted..There’s a new moon arising

If memory serves, Konqyeror can be installed on Linux AND Windows. So those of us stuck in Gates’ hell (most of the time) can still use something better than IE. To be fair, that’s a pretty low bar, because Lynx still gives IE a run for its money.

While I think Bruce goes over the top at times, I don’t think what we read from him is any worse than other things we’ve read here, or seen here…or have you forgotten The Major, BC, and Radical Redneck’s taste in “art”?

The difference is BC is clearly doing that sort of thing for shock value. You know, the guy was posting pictures of attractive bikini girls in IRC once. My next door neighbor came into the house fishing for a beer (I owed him) and asked what I was up to. I explained that a buddy of mine was sending some nice hot bikini pictures in the chat… so I clicked one.

Yeah. Anybody who knows BC knows EXACTLY what came up on my computer then (hint: not an attractive female). Suffice it to say, that took some explaining and my neighbor thought it was the most hilarious thing he’d ever seen.

You want to be taken seriously? Stop spewing ignorance. You want to have serious conversations, stop using racist invective. You’ve proved every point I made about you, AND you tried to use your veteran status to shield yourself from criticism! In other words, you’re a fucking moron.

First off, Pale Moon operates under Mozilla Public License, with the exception of those parts related to branding. So use at your own discretion. For myself, I will be uninstalling it and replacing it with something that plays well with Linux.

Second off, I know I tend to lurk here for the most part, but I will inject my opinion over Mr. Bruce’s comments. Having been accused of being “lily white” by a commenter here, I find racial invective tends to sour the conversation, no matter who uses it. I speak as an American, not as a Hispanic, which is what the Liberals on the Left brand me.

I respect your service, Bruce, and the strong bond of marriage you have forged with your wife. I do NOT respect you using either to bludgeon those who YOU decide are inferior simple because YOU don’t know them. You have a valid opinion. Quit ruining it with racism and bigotry.LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R. recently posted..Another Shrubbery?

You say you are a Vietnam Vet. FIne, thank you for serving. You say you are 100% disabled, Ok. Were you disabled as a result of combat during the vietnam war or did the disability come later as you grew old and needed help from the VA?

If you were injured in combat, or in country in Vietnam when did it happen? What unit were you with? This is not an attempt to shame or discredit you. I have lots of Vets as patients who receive VA benefits and are disabled not because they were injured in combat but because they served.

For those of you who don’t know, if you served and have become disabled later in life there are aid and attendance funds available from the VA to help you. Disabled could mean you are just unable to bathe, dress, groom, or prepare meals or clean house. If you are in an assisted living facility there are other programs to help with those bills. These programs are needs tested so if you have the funds to take care of yourself the VA will not help.

Yes, he does. His discussions of butt buddies, homosexual SEX, which this has nothing at all to do with and continued racially charged rhetoric have earned him the distinction of being a fucking embarrassment, Troy.

No, I have no tolerance for idiots. Sorry, Troy. Don’t like it? Too fucking bad.

This whole Bruce thing reminds me of a time over at H&B, when a few individuals bullied another member (and a former rottie) so badly that he quit coming. His “crime”? A made-up family. That’s IT…a MADE-UP FAMILY. Who cares?

And, please, don’t pretend that there hasn’t been racial invective thrown about this place…you all know it’s true.

Don’t like what Bruce has to say? Don’t read his posts. Don’t like that Misha allows it? Start your own blog, and then you can have whoever you want posting. No one here knows his background. I had some in-laws whom I loved dearly, but they were prejudiced, and it may have had something to do with the fact that their black neighbors broke into their home in the middle of the night and stole their brand-new color television.

And, Bruce…do us a favor…please temper your speech. I’ve seen enough people beaten, bruised, and bullied lately. I am fed UP to here…

Back to the original topic, though… this whole Eich thing pisses me off to no end. I mean, the guy created JAVASCRIPT. That’s a big fucking deal. He built something, he pushed forward technology, and how do people reward him? By using that same technology to assassinate his character over a $1000 political donation. I mean, what the everlasting FUCK has this country come to? This isn’t about gay people, or gay marriage, or gay rights, it’s about gestapo-like tactics and 1984-esque THOUGHTCRIMES. It’s complete and utter horseshit.

But even beyond that, I’m angry with Eich himself. He should have squashed this thing publicly. As CEO, he should have stepped up on a podium and said “who gives a flying fuck what private political donations I make. My company writes web browsers, not public policy. Anyone in Mozilla who has a problem with my appointment can find another job.”LC Xealot recently posted..University Storm

LC Xealot @ #63:
In Eich’s defense, I’m sure having a couple billion in the bank changes your perspective. He probably just though “I don’t need this shit, I could be on a beach with a big tittied 20-something.” Can’t fault his logic.

Well this has been interesting reading and I learned a new term. Look I’m not going to tell someone else their sin because I’ve got my own but I do wish they would keep it in the bedroom and out of my view, they keep saying to stay out of their bedroom well then keep it there and out of my view.

This whole Bruce thing reminds me of a time over at H&B, when a few individuals bullied another member (and a former rottie) so badly that he quit coming. His “crime”? A made-up family. That’s IT…a MADE-UP FAMILY. Who cares?

And, please, don’t pretend that there hasn’t been racial invective thrown about this place…you all know it’s true.

Don’t like what Bruce has to say? Don’t read his posts. Don’t like that Misha allows it? Start your own blog, and then you can have whoever you want posting. No one here knows his background. I had some in-laws whom I loved dearly, but they were prejudiced, and it may have had something to do with the fact that their black neighbors broke into their home in the middle of the night and stole their brand-new color television.

And, Bruce…do us a favor…please temper your speech. I’ve seen enough people beaten, bruised, and bullied lately. I am fed UP to here…

Listen, I couldn’t say it any better myself, Skye, so now I don’t have to say a thing. I owe you for that one. I just jumped in here after a rather — busy — week, and found another shitstorm brewing, and then I saw your reply. Well done.

This site has been home to worse language in the past and will be in the future. We’re not Mozilla around here. What that also means is that sometimes we’ll hit each other’s buttons and get pissed off and we will, as a result, get into shitfights. That’s all fine. Everybody’s vote counts. That ALSO means that it’s OK to say “seriously, dude, could you at least try to make your point without hitting all of my buttons?”

What is not OK is when we forget to have fun. It’s not a pissing match.

Flame wars are not a new thing to this place, no matter what “the good old days” (and they were good, don’t get me wrong) crowd might say, and nobody ever hated each other as a result. Deej and I had flame wars that make anything in recent memory look like a mild note of diplomatic disagreement by comparison, yet I don’t recall either of us ever feeling the need to hate each other at the end of the day.

It’s not the calling each other names, we’ve done that since the site started, it’s everlasting animosity and sudden desire for somebody to be called a “winner” or some arbitrary judgment of who was right and wrong being passed. Sheesh.

We’re FRIENDS here, and sometimes the way we put things piss some of our friends off. What’s with this retarded “take no prisoners” mentality that has appeared all of a sudden?

Don’t we have enough enemies on the left that we can take that out on, or is it just that more and more of us are feeling helpless in fighting against them, so why not fight the enemies who are handy?

If so, I’d like to know what this “helpless” nonsense is all about. The way I see it, it’s a target rich environment full of deserving targets so, no matter what the odds are, and who ever gave a fuck about “odds”, our efforts would be better focused on taking out the socialist sons of bitches and then we can all have a good old fashioned brawl afterwards if we still feel the urge.Emperor Misha I recently posted..“Tolerance”, Mozilla? You’re Doing it Wrong

As a folllow-up and a case in point, regarding this particular thread and, really, the overall tone of the site lately.

Yeah, Bruce speaks his mind and he doesn’t exactly speak it in ways that are polite. Frankly, he’s damn downright offensive the way he puts things on occasion. It hurts his point because it tends to draw attention to language rather than content but, on the other hand, I’m a grunt myself and nothing he could possibly say would even get CLOSE to sounding as bad as what passed for “common conversation” among my old peers, and we were ALL like that. We still are, on the inside. We don’t mince words, and it hurts us at times when we speak among mundanes.

But there is no question that we’re offensive and we’d probably help our cause if we at least calibrated our speech to fit the company we’re in. It wouldn’t change our point one bit, which is why we sometimes don’t bother, but it would help.

On the other hand, Nicki is just about the most patriotic American you’ll ever know. She has dedicated her entire life to protecting and serving this nation, a nation not even her own (you’re sort of supposed to protect the place you’re born. Devoting yourself to a place you weren’t born in takes a little bit more) , so having her dedication, patriotism and accomplishments called into question over a disagreement over fucking WORDS is more than a LITTLE bit offensive.

This whole Bruce thing reminds me of a time over at H&B, when a few individuals bullied another member (and a former rottie) so badly that he quit coming. His “crime”? A made-up family. That’s IT…a MADE-UP FAMILY. Who cares?

so, I’ll weigh in here…..

Skye, I don’t think anyone is being bullied here…..My friend Nicki, just like me, just have a problem with the over the top racism and homophobia displayed by bruce. I don’t want him banned, nor do I want him censored, I just wish he would clean up his language and stop living up to every EVERY negative stereotype that the leftist swine spew about us conservative/libertarian types.

And, please, don’t pretend that there hasn’t been racial invective thrown about this place…you all know it’s true.

Just like you, I’ve been here a long time and have seen just about every type of profanity and obscenity thrown about in these rooms. I’ve seen terms like polesmoker, cuntmuffin, and cockholster tossed around, and while some of the more sensitive types might wince at those terms, I don’t, they’re meant in jest and we all know that…..but I don’t really remember any racial invectives off hand, at least not as blatant as the term “knee grow”.

Again, my point is that in this fight to preserve this country, we don’t win by lining up and firing volleys at the leftist/socialist/marxist/bastards, we win by controlling the message. We must make our points in a credible way and in an intelligent way.

Well folks, I am on my way on a bit of a vacation. A real patriotic American family needs help – badly – and I am going to offer any services I can render, legal or otherwise. If the fedgoons try to make this into another Waco or Ruby Ridge… well, we’ll just have to see how it turns out this rerun. Meeting some like minded chaps in North Dakota, and we’ll be doing some gambling down in Nevada. We hear it’s a good cheap place to get away from it all.

Well folks, I am on my way on a bit of a vacation. A real patriotic American family needs help – badly – and I am going to offer any services I can render, legal or otherwise. If the fedgoons try to make this into another Waco or Ruby Ridge… well, we’ll just have to see how it turns out this rerun. Meeting some like minded chaps in North Dakota, and we’ll be doing some gambling down in Nevada. We hear it’s a good cheap place to get away from it all.

Oh, and importing everything to a new browser is a breeze. So… #FireFox #uninstalled.

Okay, so now I’m curious. You got rid of the bloated FireFart — Bravo! I did that a couple of years ago. So the burning question I have is:

Whadda hell you using now, Willis?

Chrome? Pale Moon? SeaMonkey? Flock? Prism?

All Gecko-based. (That’ll teach ‘em…)

I seriously doubt that Eich resigned under some “pressure” for his personal stance on marriage — six years ago Especially since the news of his donation has been public for over two of those years. And frankly, compared to some donations, a thousand dollars is merely parking meter change in comparison.

I think it is more likely what is being discussed in the open source community, where people acknowledge his technical expertise, but question his suitability as a CEO of a company that according to the guy he was appointed to replace is not like any other, and will require someone with a special set of skills to lead.

It is interesting to note that three of the six board members resigned without naming a CEO even for the interim. Instead, two of the remaining board members appointed Eichs pretty much as the last man standing, since they weren’t interested in having the position. The question is, if this little “scandal” hadn’t been blown way up out of proportion by the media, how long would it have been before Eichs would have been replaced by a more suitable CEO? The smart money had it at about six months tops.

Besides, it isn’t as if Eichs is being kicked to the curb with nothing. He still retains a substantial stake in stock.DJ Allyn, MPSE recently posted..Gravedigger ~ New York Rock Ensemble

but question his suitability as a CEO of a company that according to the guy he was appointed to replace is not like any other, and will require someone with a special set of skills to lead.

He’s been with the company for a very long time, more than long enough for them to know whether or not he was suitable to run the company. There’s more to this than we’re being told, I’m convinced of that.

He’s been with the company for a very long time, more than long enough for them to know whether or not he was suitable to run the company.

Did you miss the part about how half of the board — including the former CEO — quit and deliberately didn’t name even a interim successor? You don’t find it strange that the ONLY people left on the board only had one person they could name?

Sure, there probably is more to the story — like why did half the board abruptly quit without bothering to look for a new CEO?

Look, it’s really about policing our own. I have never minded invective. In fact, most of you know I revel in it! But if we can’t call our own out on blatantly racist garbage and other unsavory crap, then what are we? The other side of the noxious politically correct coin? “Negro in chief,” the shit he says about gays… I’m reminded of the Phelps crew every time I read anything this jackass posts. Yes there are gay people who frequent this site, and frankly bruce’s rhetoric is an embarrassment. I’m fairly sure we have black conservatives too. I won’t speak FOR them, but I’m embarrassed to be anywhere near bruce’s comments.

I have never asked he be banned or censored. But I will be DAMNED if I don’t call him out on his shit when I feel it warrants it! He does nothing but give leftards ammunition to paint us with the broad brush of Phelps, KKK, etc.

But hey, if I’m really going to get admin warnings every time I call a bigoted shitbag a bigoted shitbag, so be it.

Mish – I love you like family. You know this. This site has been family to me for years. But bruce’s bigotry makes me physically sick. It’s that simple. Every time I see his racist crap or barely coherent, illiterate ramblings about butt buddy homos, or any other ignorant shit he spews, I have an urge to kick him in the throat. I would submit the leftards laugh a lot harder at his bigory that pretty much confirms all the stereotypes they perpetuate about conservatives than at efforts to police our own.LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch recently posted..Small Arms Survey: Biased Reporting, Anti-Freedom Goals

So, now I have uninstalled everything Nazilla – Thunderbitch & Firefucks – and installed Opera. It runs like a greased lightning on my Linux Kubuntu 10.04 – and imported all my bookmarks. An added advantage is, that the mail client runs in in a sidebar, so shuffling between apps is no longer needed.

You wanna claim the right to “police” our own. Then learn about the use of force continuum and apply it to your responses. In this case your response was inappropriate and excessive because his comment didn’t come anywhere near being a violation of the SITE standards as evidenced by Misha’s comment. Instead your response was based on past behavior, a continuation of a previous engagement from (as best as I can recollect) over 4 weeks ago.

You wanna smack a mother fucker when they’re being inappropriate? More power too you. How about you wait til they are actually inappropriate? This is especially important when considering smacking a subject that is demonstrably the intellectual equivalent of a rock compared to you. And make sure the standard you use is site standard and not your personal standard. You wanna act as a “police” here then do it right.

Thats what the fuck Im saying, and if you dont like it, too fucking bad. (interesting how that works both ways eh?)

And thats the all Im gonna say about this. Im done. I will not be discussing this any further.

I mostly agree with you. Bruce hasn’t said anything we haven’t heard before, or on occasion spewed into the debate ourselves. I’ve been lurking on the Rott for a decade now, and we sure have a lot of invective around here. I wouldn’t argue in favor of censoring bruce, nor throwing him to the Progressive-Leftist wolves.

Truth be told, if you asked me to give you one thing that bruce said that pisses me off — and that hasn’t been used by someone else around here — I couldn’t give it to you. We’ve all been offensive, and that’s one of the charms of the Rott. No PC Police.

So what bothers me about bruce isn’t exactly the invective, it’s the fact that his posts seem to rely almost exclusively ON invective. When we slam Obama and Holder for being dumbass race-baiting dickwads, we then back up the assertion with the evidence of said dumbassery. Bruce doesn’t do this, or at least not as often or as well as many other Rotties do. And so the posts lack content, just stream-of-consciousness insults. And so it gets under my skin where the rants of other Rotties do not.

That said, it’s a free country — or at least it ought to be — and if putting up with (or simply ignoring) bruce’s invective laden posts is the price of membership here, then so be it. I accept the price and will continue my lurking (and occasional posting). The Rott is too valuable to let a few personal issues get in the way of the thing.LC Xealot recently posted..University Storm

Hey, sestrichka, no admin warnings will be ever thrown your way, ever. Be a bit hypocritical for me to say, on the one hand, that you can say absolutely anything on this site and then, on the other hand, add “you just can’t say anything that is a criticism of the anything that is said.”

“Warning” implies conditional consequences if unheeded, and there aren’t and won’t be any.

Call out people who say offensive shit, I don’t even disagree with you that it’s offensive (not that it matters whether I agree or not, your opinion is not contingent upon my approval), by all means. I was just trying to calm everybody, you AND Bruce, down a bit before we end up with yet another long, bitter, inconclusive flame war where everybody ends up saying shit they didn’t really mean and feel rotten about afterwards.

Bruce really doesn’t bother me too much, agree with what Xealot above just said. As much as I hate to admit it, Deej is 100% correct on this. If I was still active in trading, I would short this fucker into the dirt and ride the wave. When 1/2 your board walks, and the sacrificial anode that you toss into the position of CEO gets hounded out less than 1 week later, I would be scouring the 10Q and looking for the skeletons, ‘cuz they are there somewhere and this company is about to go BOOM! (This is not trading advice for anyone, I am not a broker, blah, blah, legal disclosure BS continues…)

So what bothers me about bruce isn’t exactly the invective, it’s the fact that his posts seem to rely almost exclusively ON invective. When we slam Obama and Holder for being dumbass race-baiting dickwads, we then back up the assertion with the evidence of said dumbassery. Bruce doesn’t do this, or at least not as often or as well as many other Rotties do. And so the posts lack content, just stream-of-consciousness insults.

This. And the fact that when there is a point beneath all of the invective, it gets lost because the particular choice of invective sucks all of the air out of the argument. That’s something I know from myself too. I have to bite my damn tongue (or fingers, I suppose) sometimes to keep myself from picking a word that will completely overshadow anything I’m trying to say in a post.

The rule I use when “filtering” my own invective is simple: “Could this word that I’m about to use possibly hurt people I care about because they thought I was talking about them, should they happen to read it?” It’s not fool-proof and I have been known to step in it in spite of that rule, but it helps.Emperor Misha I recently posted..“Tolerance”, Mozilla? You’re Doing it Wrong

http://www.dailypundit.com/?p=84860
Well folks, I am on my way on a bit of a vacation. A real patriotic American family needs help – badly – and I am going to offer any services I can render, legal or otherwise. If the fedgoons try to make this into another Waco or Ruby Ridge… well, we’ll just have to see how it turns out this rerun. Meeting some like minded chaps in North Dakota, and we’ll be doing some gambling down in Nevada. We hear it’s a good cheap place to get away from it all.
God bless, good luck, and thanks for all the fish.

Hey, sestrichka, no admin warnings will be ever thrown your way, ever. Be a bit hypocritical for me to say, on the one hand, that you can say absolutely anything on this site and then, on the other hand, add “you just can’t say anything that is a criticism of the anything that is said.”
“Warning” implies conditional consequences if unheeded, and there aren’t and won’t be any.
Call out people who say offensive shit, I don’t even disagree with you that it’s offensive (not that it matters whether I agree or not, your opinion is not contingent upon my approval), by all means. I was just trying to calm everybody, you AND Bruce, down a bit before we end up with yet another long, bitter, inconclusive flame war where everybody ends up saying shit they didn’t really mean and feel rotten about afterwards.
We still have a shitload of Imperial Beer and Booze that all of us Rotties need to be able to drink together, you know.
Emperor Misha I recently posted..“Tolerance”, Mozilla? You’re Doing it Wrong

Sweetie – know. And I appreciate it. I took DV’s whole “looking at admin hat” thing as a warning toward me, since my words were the ones quoted, which is why I brought it up. Dog knows I get inappropriate at times too. I remember when <0 got elected and someone – can't remember who – around here tossed out the n-bomb in sheer rage, and a whole bunch of us called foul on that one. Forgive me, it's been 6 years ago, so I don't remember the details. I just remember the word "n*gger" was tossed, and a whole lot of us cried NO-GO. Bruce relies SOLELY on that kind of shit – like Xealot said, with which I agree 130 percent. Reading his crap makes me goddamn enraged. He’s a bigot, plain and simple, and those types of people make me sick.

I love you, Mish. You’re family. I love a whole lot of folks here, even when we disagree. I would sacrifice a lot for the vast majority of you here. Yeah, Troy, even you! But bruce – he’s a disgusting bigot, and nothing more, and he is absolutely intolerable. There have been a few over the years who absolutely made me want to throat punch them, but they seem to have fallen by the wayside.LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch recently posted..Small Arms Survey: Biased Reporting, Anti-Freedom Goals

Hey, sestrichka, no admin warnings will be ever thrown your way, ever. Be a bit hypocritical for me to say, on the one hand, that you can say absolutely anything on this site and then, on the other hand, add “you just can’t say anything that is a criticism of the anything that is said.”

“Warning” implies conditional consequences if unheeded, and there aren’t and won’t be any.

That’s all I needed to hear. I have better things to do with my time than watch unprovoked attacks on fellow Rotties and be prohibited from doing anything about it.

That’s all I needed to hear. I have better things to do with my time than watch unprovoked attacks on fellow Rotties and be prohibited from doing anything about it.

I quit.

I saw nothing unprovoked and I saw bruce respond in kind……Darth, YOU threatened to put on the management hat in response to Nicki, her only crime being using rhetoric that I have seen you and me and others use against trolls and other posters countless times. If that merits action on your part then take me out too, we were just responding and defending this site against the racist ignorant derogatory slurs that bruce throws out, we just think that this site is better off without that kind of crap….

It sounds like you REALLY need to open up the Colosseum and transfer all of his comments over there where you can do some real “policing”

if you haven’t figured it out by now, bruce is just one of those people who has nothing to say, but will go out of his way to be offensive doing it.DJ Allyn, MPSE recently posted..Gravedigger ~ New York Rock Ensemble

Come guys, let’s not destroy everything this site has meant to all of us over some comments on the internet! Everyone just step away from the keyboards for a bit, have a cold one or 2 (not a cube or 2) and get back on solid footing.

Now I haven’t been here since the beginning but I’ve been a member and rarely commentator on this site since the Wide Awakes days. When so many others took to the winds and went to the Blaze, Hot Air, etc etc, I stuck with the Rott. Whenever the hat got passed around I tried to kick in something cause damn it this is more than a blog, we’re like family here!

I really hope this ain’t the end of things. If it is then ever though I haven’t made and can’t make Rottfest do to work and finances and all, I hope you allow me to someday come down to the Republic, shake your hand and say thanks Misha.

Quit? You can’t quit – You’re the emperor fer fucks sakes!! Emperors aren’t allowed to just up and quit! I think they are allowed to abdicate the throne or something like that… I’d have to check with the Royal ambulance chaser – but quitting is most certainly out of the question.

DV quits, Deej wouldn’t take the top spot if you paid him. Nobody trusts BC or Rad to not try to blind them or cause severe irreversible brain damage. That leaves me as the only other one with the seniority. Screw that! You wouldn’t like the way I would redecorate the place, and you’d be pissed as hell when I changed all the vodka and Jack for A&W Root Beer.

This whole Bruce thing reminds me of a time over at H&B, when a few individuals bullied another member (and a former rottie) so badly that he quit coming. His “crime”? A made-up family. That’s IT…a MADE-UP FAMILY. Who cares?

And, Bruce…do us a favor…please temper your speech. I’ve seen enough people beaten, bruised, and bullied lately. I am fed UP to here…

Yeah, that was me. I called what’s-his-name out on being a fucking liar. He lied about;

His family – that he didn’t have.

His medical condition – didn’t have one.

His machine gun collection – didn’t have one of those, either.

His collection of hot rods – that didn’t exist.

His vast wealth that he didn’t have.

His military service – inflated claims -at best-, at worst, non existant.

And finally, what -really- put it over the top, is he played fucking mind games with my wife, while she was dying of cancer, stringing her along on financial matters. That, that was the last fucking straw.

While we’re on the business of quitting, I quit too. Fuck this drama club.

I’m hoping that was in jest. But otherwise, yeah, fuck the drama. Can we get back the business of trashing Progressive-Leftists? That’s much more valuable work.LC Xealot recently posted..University Storm

I would sacrifice a lot for the vast majority of you here. Yeah, Troy, even you!

I appreciate that sentiment Nicki and want you to know that I feel the same way. When I referenced DV putting on the admin hat, it was not my intent to suggest anyone be banned. I was hoping it would result in a back channel commo to diffuse the situation. I dont believe in banning except under the most extreme circumstance. I can see how my reference could easily have been construed as advocating banishment, but that was not my intent.

As far as everything else. Im not mad at anybody. I said what I had to say, others have said what they felt like they needed to say and its over with.

A minor dispute among third cousins twice removed…..least that’s the way I look at it.

Not even if you gave me a prefrontal lobotomy, electro-shock therapy, the finest window pane acid, AND paid me. I am enjoying my emeritus status too much to EVER want to return full time to this insanity.

Besides, I am WAY too busy posting funny memes to my FaceCrack page while I wait for the next late actor to show up here for their scheduled ADR session.

But hey, work this shit out! I have the new website update here that has the Colosseum built in. It’s been ready for six months now, and nobody had gotten it from me.DJ Allyn, MPSE recently posted..Gravedigger ~ New York Rock Ensemble