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The thought occurs to me that maybe they did not attend because they didn’t want to run the risk of possibly having to stand next to Reform Jews (Heaven forfend).

Don’t forget that this is the same Reform movement whose youth group went to Israel a couple of weeks ago. Over 100 kids had signed up to go and they were all given the option of not going when the troubles there kicked off. Only 2 or 3 stayed in the UK, the rest thought it was more important to show their solidarity with their fellow Jews in their time of need.

Obviously they were well represented at the rally. Who has their priorities straight?

In general term I am anti-Reform, so don’t start thinking that is why I am praising them.

The thought occurs to me that maybe they did not attend because they didn’t want to run the risk of possibly having to stand next to Reform Jews (Heaven forfend).

Don’t forget that this is the same Reform movement whose youth group went to Israel a couple of weeks ago. Over 100 kids had signed up to go and they were all given the option of not going when the troubles there kicked off. Only 2 or 3 stayed in the UK, the rest thought it was more important to show their solidarity with their fellow Jews in their time of need.

Obviously they were well represented at the rally. Who has their priorities straight?

In general term I am anti-Reform, so don’t start thinking that is why I am praising them.

UK Charedim are noted for being much more extreme than the American variety on a number of fronts.

As it happens, anti-Zionism has a long history among British Jews, even among non-Charedim. (This is somewhat related to German anti-Zionism, both Orthodox and Reform.) However, the non-Charedim (apart from those on the extreme left) seem to have moved on from that stance. The Charedim have not.

Anti-Israel sentiment is sure out there in yeshiva circles, let alone Chasidic groups. We have a war going on, people are dying, and what are the yeshivish rabbis doing about it? Not much: they won’t even mention “Israel” by name; “war” is not mentioned; instead, we hear about the “matzav” of our brothers in “Eretz Yisroel.” No blood drives for the injured; no money drives for the internal Israeli refugees, oh no: just a lot of learning and Tehillim and shmiras hapeh and shmiras eynayim and learn 1 hour for the matzav and…I am absolutely stunned at their total lack of concern, their complete apathy, their absolute impotence, their utter irrelevance…Jews are dying, impoverished and hungry, and all they can think of is saying Tehillim 83? And learn one hour for the “matzav”? I’m not saying those actions are unimportant (one yeshiva guy told me that they will help overcome the underlying problem. Nu, I asked him, and the current crisis, which requires blood, money and food, how will that help? Silence.)but we need more than prayer sometimes. Some musarniks we are: a complete abandonment of Reb Yisroel’s principles.
Shame on them for being so blind; shame on us for following them.

British haredim are a reserved, insular lot, hardly the types to demonstrate. I for one am even surprised that Chabad turned out for the demonstration. Also, sadly, the Nutter Kartel has far too much influence in London.

Most of the Chabadniks were there to put teffilin on people. Except for one Rabbi Sufrin – he was on one of the trains in the July 7th bombing last year, so he feels slightly different from the rest of them when it comes to terrorism.

Neturei Karta has next to no influence in London. I am not quite sure why you think otherwise.

Avrohom was right. Shmarya, you are a pig and your writers are pigs. Where I am, all over the place Erets Yisroel is the first thing on people’s mind. Look in Hamodia and Mishpacha. Look the large tfillos rallies made by all types of charredim. Look for instance in Yeshiva Chayim Berlin. It is simply unbelivable ithat in such times, where your heroes and “Gedolim” and ktanim who caused and are causing so much death and suuffering you find the energy to attack frumme yidden. FOr what? You sick mamzer. You have done NOTHING your blog has done nothing. Only badmouthed “motzi shem roh”. The frumme yidden daven. Give tzedakah. many of them give large sums to people in erets yisroel for food.. They arrange to host people of the north….you bastard: ZILCH. So too your other kapos and german informers.

And i btw i knw for a fact that in some places, people like satmarer went to the local tehillim rallies.

SHAME ON YOU FOR DOING NOTHING…SHAME ON YOU FOR BADMOUTHING JEWS…SHAME ON YUO FOR ALIGNINNG YOURSELF WITH PEOPLE WHOSE IDEOLOGIES BROUGHT FOOLISHLY THIS TRAGEDY WHERE DOZENS OF YIDEN LOST THEIR LIVES…PUT ON YOUR BLOG TO SHAME YOUR LIBERAL FRIENDS FOR SUCKING THE BLOOD OF THE JEWS…THAT IS YOUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO DO TESHUVA…

I know where they come from. It was just with regards to whether or not they have “far too much influence” that I disagreed.

Paul Freedman, I think it would be more appropriate to give money to an organisation that is helping the families in the North. Learning and davenning is wonderful, and I am not disregarding it, but sometimes practical help is required. The various rallies that have been held round the world give much chizuk to Israelis and they truely appreciate it.

We must support “Medinat Yisrael” (whatever we feel about the current, democratically elected gov’t) as well as “Eretz Yisroel.” Without the Medina there would be no aliya, no IDF, no gov’t money to yeshivot (ka-ching!) Instead, we would be a second-rate scattered people, cowering as dhimmis under Muslim theocratic rule or living in countries that hate us (such as Ethiopia, Poland, Morocco, etc.) It is easy to talk of Eretz Yisroel, as if it were a theme park. But it is a real country, with all difficulties and moral ambiguities that goes with sovereignty.

Beadle: I’m sure a fund could be arranged if it is needed that Charediim would be comfortable in contributing to: the funds could be targeted to meet charedi needs to relieve the Israeli budget to meet war needs, etc.

Beadle,
Actually, the Neturei Karta and the other extremists have a larger following in London percentage wise at least, than the same group in the U.S.A.
I have also noticed that most U.K Jews of the non chareidi variety have very little knowledge about U.K Chareidim.Few have ever stepped into Stamford Hill the Chareidi neighborhood in London.The number of Chareidim in Stamford Hill hovers around 20 thousand, no mean feat when Londons total Jewish population is about 200 thousand.
The Jewish school population in the U.K is about 90% orthodox and over half Chareidi, in other words in a generation or two half of U.K Jewry will be Chareidi

I live in Stamford Hill amongst the Charedim & find it highly unlikely that they are anti-Zion. my neighbours on both sides regularly go to Israel & usually spend the whole 2 month summer break there. long convo’s about the situation in the middle east have further revealed that they are right behind Israel, altho they are never exactly wised-up on current affairs – either here or in the mid east. But then avoiding TV & other secular media will do that!

I’m aware my immediate neighbours aren’t the whole community but surely their love of Israel would not be exceptional amongst UK Charedim?

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