so you know that steamroller is going to be on fm2? I mean if it is I think that is awesome. Does fm2 have pcie 3.0? If it doesnt, that is not awesome. I have an 8120 and will be getting a 8320/8350 for sure soon after launch. Going to crossfire my 7950 and hoping it will allow for 100% gpu usage on them (looking forward to 4.8ghzish overclock on it) I am looking forward to the lower power consumption personally, cant wait to see benches and reviews.

No one knows exactly what socket steamroller will be on. AMD hasn't released any word on continuing their enthusiast line of CPU's. Which by now is quite interesting, since the rumor is AMD will stop producing enthusiast class processors for the desktop. Instead they will revert whatever resources they have left into their graphics and APU departments. The fact that steamroller is a APU, leans big time towards the FM2 platform. If steamroller doesn't drop into FM2, then your looking at a new socket again next year. Which AMD already stated they wouldn't do to their customers. So odds are steamroller will drop in existing FM2 boards with no more then a bios update. Currently FM2 doesn't have PCIe 3.0, FM2 brought the dual PCIe slots to the existing FM1 platform. Along with a few other bits and gadgets like more SATA3 and USB 3.0 ports. Tho if your packing that much GPU power (two 7950's) go Intel else you will never max out your GPU's potential, and you will always get a ripple (GPU usage spikes). AMD's current chipsets and processors cant drive that much graphics power, you will always end up with a bottleneck. In this case scenario, spending the extra $30 is safeguarding your existing investment. I would defiantly would get a 3570k over any previous, now, or next generation AMD chip. You probably wont see a AMD platform that will beat a 3570k in most gaming for the next couple of years.Edited by Warmonger - 10/18/12 at 5:59pm

How bad is the bottleneck on say a 690 with an 8150 around 4.8ghz in a game like bf3?

I think you will need to wait for official reviews on or around the 23rd to be certain. Judging by trinities performance, these should be a nice upgrade over BD and at a presumed great pricing point. These should supply any single GPU (up to 7970, 680) well, but the 690 is a dual GPU Card! I would expect some bottleneck in certain situations.

There is no optimizing for any particular architecture. AMD and Intel both have an x86 ISA, but Intel has the better architecture thus most programs are compiled for it.
Intel performs equally well under open source OS.

Intel does not always have the best uarch, period. that has gone back and forth based on workloads for years, and YES INTEL CHEATS WITH ITS COMPILER and many software librarys have been built with the Intel code compiler, thus further pollouting the software ecosystem, AMD has a fortran software stack that sucks, becuase they used the intel compiler and it borked the performance of their fortran implementation.

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Originally Posted by jtom320

Well they're not profiting currently and they are selling these chips for way less then the introductory prices for Bulldozer. If AMD turns a profit in the next year it will likely be due to headcount reductions.
I know margins on silicon itself are pretty decent but with no way of knowing how much it cost to develop PD it's all just speculation. I just can't imagine Plan A was selling the flagship model for 200 dollars when a decade ago they had chips that cost over 1000 dollars like Intel.

AMD makes a profit, but not every profit is large enough for the B.O.D. short sighted thinking in this economy.

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Originally Posted by Tjj226 Angel

EEEEhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that argument is hard to make. When phenom came out, it actually was an extremely solid CPU. Despite intel having the software advantage, the AMD performed well, was priced well, and did well in the market. It was only when the company was doing poorly that they ended up doing the worst thing they possibly could have done, and that was to take funding out of R&D which turned the bulldozer series from being a good chip....to a crappy chip. (Fun business fact: If you own a business that is facing financial burden, you NEVER EVER EVER EVER take money out of R&D. If you are rich, pay money out of your pocket to avoid the failure of the company. Why do something so crazy? Well if you take money out of R&D and you are trying to sell stuff that comes FROM R&D, then your secret projects will fail and you will be forced to sell crap. This will further cripple your business, and lead to your demise. )
As soon as they touched that money, it was the end of AMD. So really the performance issues with AMD stem from morons who have no clue on how to run a tech company rather than any software based issues.

Phenom got trampled by much the intel optimized software at that time, they had also invested into optimizing for older code paths, that was then, this is now. AMD is designing a chip for 2015 by the looks of things, not 2011.

No one knows exactly what socket steamroller will be on. AMD hasn't released any word on continuing their enthusiast line of CPU's. Which by now is quite interesting, since the rumor is AMD will stop producing enthusiast class processors for the desktop. Instead they will revert whatever resources they have left into their graphics and APU departments. The fact that steamroller is a APU, leans big time towards the FM2 platform. If steamroller doesn't drop into FM2, then your looking at a new socket again next year. Which AMD already stated they wouldn't do to their customers. So odds are steamroller will drop in existing FM2 boards with no more then a bios update. Currently FM2 doesn't have PCIe 3.0, FM2 brought the dual PCIe slots to the existing FM1 platform. Along with a few other bits and gadgets like more SATA3 and USB 3.0 ports. Tho if your packing that much GPU power (two 7950's) go Intel else you will never max out your GPU's potential, and you will always get a ripple (GPU usage spikes). AMD's current chipsets and processors cant drive that much graphics power, you will always end up with a bottleneck. In this case scenario, spending the extra $30 is safeguarding your existing investment. I would defiantly would get a 3570k over any previous, now, or next generation AMD chip. You probably wont see a AMD platform that will beat a 3570k in most gaming for the next couple of years.