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Re: Rock the Casbah: Arab-World Revolutions Watch Thread

Our media should be taking the government to task on this. Maddow, Stewart, goddamned Beck, I don't care.

Do it. Someone needs to bring light to this. My parents (and probably most Americans) had no idea whatsoever that something of this magnitude is going down and believe that it doesn't affect them because Egypt is "so far away".

Re: Rock the Casbah: Arab-World Revolutions Watch Thread

Israel dont really want to make Nasser or similar to make his return... I dont think they like Mubarak that much anyway but atleast he is an co-operative. Israel is living in a fucked up situation being surrounded by hostile cultures with each of surrounding nations outnumbering Israel by population by huge margin even with having most strongest military in area, but since Egypt was their main enemy and leader of hostile coalition against Israel back in 60's-70's they dont want history to repeat itself a bit.

I wish that people of Egypt would be able to kick that despot Mubarak out of office but I dont think its very likely, Mubarak and his goverment is really fond of being in power and they will not give up on power in their lifetime, as long they are backed down by police and military any hope of revolution will be dealt with extreme measures.

Mubarak will be backed up by other Arab leaders in this matter and he is free to use extreme force to crush any hopes of rebellion, of course there will be internation outcry for too harsh methods but everyone knows that it will only take couple of years before its forgotten by everyone.

Egypt lives by tourism though so they might have to cover their hands to silk before they grab the hammer to crush rebellion lest they scary tourists off (who are only intrested to lay in beaches and observing some pyramids).

Unfortunately some of the rebels are anything but liberal and if they somehow manage to overthrow Mubarak and his totalitarian rule Egypt might face new age of repression and a brutal massacre targeting of kopti christian population in nation who has been living in relative peace with rest of the population up to date.

Re: Rock the Casbah: Arab-World Revolutions Watch Thread

Originally Posted by Hiroy

Yeah. I can think of several possible conclusions, and most involve bloodshed. The best result I can think of is Mubarak giving in.

If he were going to do that without a fight, he almost certainly would have already done so if only to leave on his own terms. At this point, a military coup is probably the least bloody way of resolving this.

Originally Posted by Shandian

Israel is living in a fucked up situation being surrounded by hostile cultures with each of surrounding nations outnumbering Israel by population by huge margin

Maybe they shouldn't piss off their neighbors by doing things like promising not to build settlements and then going ahead and doing it anyway. Even then, it's not like any of their neighbors is going to risk Israel glassing their capital just for the sake of Palestinians. Talk of Israel being erased from the map is nonsense.

Re: Rock the Casbah: Arab-World Revolutions Watch Thread

When paired with the comments from Biden and the rest of the press?
It's fucking disgusting.

The press is the press. They are completely independent from the government. And Biden is Biden. He in no way repesents the beliefs of the White House.

And why I don't like it any more than you do, I also don't think we should be blaming our government in anyway. If Egypt didn't get them from us, they'd get them from somewhere, we were just the best deal.
Would it somehow make it better if they read Made in Russia, England, China, etc. on them?

Personally, I don't give a fuck who made them, I care about how they're being used. That's what's fucking disgusting, not that they read "made in the U.S.A"

Last edited by Akumu; January 27th, 2011 at 11:17 PM.
Reason: So much for going to bed. Can't sleep with all this on my mind...

Re: Rock the Casbah: Arab-World Revolutions Watch Thread

The press is the press. They are completely independent from the government. And Biden is Biden. He in no way repesents the beliefs of the White House.

I should have clarified. I meant press secretary.

And why I don't like it any more than you do, I also don't think we should be blaming our government in anyway. If Egypt didn't get them from us, they'd get them from somewhere, we were just the best deal.

I'm willing to follow you on "we funded them for use not on people" but don't use this non-logic nihilist excuse bullshit on me.

Personally, I don't give a fuck who made them, I care about how they're being used. That's what's fucking disgusting, not that they read "made in the U.S.A"

Do you not fucking get the entire concept that we are highly supportive of a repressive regime in the first place?
Are you so goddamn dense that you don't understand that people didn't really care about "hey this one object was made in the US" so much as what that symbolizes in large?

This is one of the surrogate babies we let suck on our teat for our aims in the region, their military is a giant bubble because we fund them. You know what helped in Tunisia? That the government wasn't being pumped full of boom boom money.

If you believe you live in an electoral democracy, and you fucking do and should be more grateful for it now then most times, you should feel slightly gross and wanting to effect change in your countries policies.

I'm sick of this reactionary knee jerk reaction of when any amount of negative spotlight gets thrown back on the US for some people who would say anything about any other country turning immeditaly to garbage like "IT WOULD BE SOMONE ELSE LOL".

You don't get to care about what X is used for when where X came from is just as important. Military support from other nations is a CENTRAL part of international understanding.
Refusing to pay attention to one to care about the other is a lie.

And why do you think we have this photo. Huh? Why?
Why are Egyptians holding up "MADE IN USA" to the camera? Why do you think they're doing that? What do you think our hypocritical position toward Egypt is doing right now? And how dense can you be to think something like that doesn't matter? Do you know anything about the Iranian revolution? How about the Khmer Rouge? What about the Taliban?