And with Anduin dies my last hope of this game getting any respectable plot ever again. Sure, kill all the characters that don't want your stupid war. You wouldn't want a portion of your playerbase to have anyone to identify with in the game. This is going too much Warhammer.

Originally Posted by Chen Stormstout

To ask why we fight is to ask why leaves fall. (...)

Originally Posted by TotalBiscuit

Gravity? We fight because gravity? Never listen to a philosophy from a panda.

I do find it kind of funny that people were all like ''Anduin is such a bad character, he should just die'' before, but when the opportunity finally arises people are whining about it big time.

most post I have read here and other forums are fully in support of Anduin biting the dust as he deserves, especially alliance players are heavy in favor of it, while horde players seem to be more against it given that he is shaping up to be a leader that bends over for them at every turn
what people are whining about is that he will most probably get resurrected through some bullshit instead of staying dead

And with Anduin dies my last hope of this game getting any respectable plot ever again. Sure, kill all the characters that don't want your stupid war. You wouldn't want a portion of your playerbase to have anyone to identify with in the game. This is going too much Warhammer.

Yes, because there are so many major characters out there who wants this war, like:

Garrosh and partially Sylvanas, who just wants to be left alone and conquer all of Lordaeron without some Orc interference.

Yes, because there are so many major characters out there who wants this war, like:

Garrosh and partially Sylvanas, who just wants to be left alone and conquer all of Lordaeron without some Orc interference.

Did you miss when a Blizzard rep tried to claim 100% of all thirteen playable races are 100% loyal to the two idiots called "faction leaders"?

Forget that, everyone who has been an important, anti-war character is dying or being brainwashed by writers into another thickheaded 1-dimensional brute. Jaina? Brainwashed. Anduin? Dead. Next I know Tirion will either die or "join Alliance" (that would literally kill this franchise for me). Vol'jin? He's against Garrosh, not war. Show me one character who is still openly against this war and is alive, and isn't Wrathion.

I still have some hope for Wrathion after all. I hope he gets somewhere and we don't get 5.3/4 end with just "nope, just kidding, he's dead".

Originally Posted by Chen Stormstout

To ask why we fight is to ask why leaves fall. (...)

Originally Posted by TotalBiscuit

Gravity? We fight because gravity? Never listen to a philosophy from a panda.

Did you miss when a Blizzard rep tried to claim 100% of all thirteen playable races are 100% loyal to the two idiots called "faction leaders"?

Forget that, everyone who has been an important, anti-war character is dying or being brainwashed by writers into another thickheaded 1-dimensional brute. Jaina? Brainwashed. Anduin? Dead. Next I know Tirion will either die or "join Alliance" (that would literally kill this franchise for me). Vol'jin? He's against Garrosh, not war. Show me one character who is still openly against this war and is alive, and isn't Wrathion.

I still have some hope for Wrathion after all. I hope he gets somewhere and we don't get 5.3/4 end with just "nope, just kidding, he's dead".

Also, it seems like you aren't playing this game for war. Bad choice of game seeing that the game is called Warcraft. And both Vol'jin AND Baine are against this war, they were both big Thrall supporters, and you'll probably see Thrall go against it soon too. The Shado-Pan are also against it obviously. It only goes to show how big this war is when anti-war guys are being slaughtered, and when anti-war characters want war all of a sudden.

If you've had faith in lore 'till this point, I applaud you. I lost faith in it in Wrath, and only now is it coming back again.

Erh? The Night Elves seem pretty pissed off about Ashenvale and have been ever since Orgrimmar was being built.

Point taken, altough this has happened under Thralls rule as well, so this seems a bit moot.

Originally Posted by Anarchor

The Worgen also seem to badly want Gilneas back and the Alliance wants nothing to do with the Forsaken, wanting to claim Lordaeron back for the 'normal humans'.

If you ask me, the Worgen should get Gilneas if this war is supposed to end under acceptable terms, the main reason to invade Gilneas was Garrosh Order with the reasoning that they need a sea port there, with no war, it's use is nullified and the Forsaken have no claim on Gilneas.

This Lordaeron plot is something different, this entire War Plot of MoP is strongly focused around Garrosh and his actions, this War between the Forsaken and the Humans for Lordaeron has existed before Garrosh and will probably exist after Garrosh, Blizzard may not want to solve this issue directly and keep it for later plots.

Note how the first part were he says he lets "some one" live is in "FINAL 1"

There are two finals.

Two endings.

Both have similarities, but both have endings.

final 1 is the alliance pov of the scenario where at the end Garosh spares the life of the alliance players to go tell the king that his son met the wrong end of Gorehowl.
the second is the horde pov of the scenario

Anyone addressing me: CALM DOWN. I freaked out, because one of my new favorite characters were killed. I've calmed down now, seeing that there's a good chance all of this is leading to finally end this war but we've got to get through some really hard stuff to make everyone turn against Garrosh.

Tirion ruining Wrath's lore? Good joke there, bro. Wrath had the best story in WoW yet, and big part of it was the Argent Crusade.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm an old WC3 fanboy. I'm returning to WoW every once in a while only because of that old bond to that old game. I loved the message and ending of Reign of Chaos, and any time I see the game reverting back to dull black&white morality of WC1, I can only weep at that development. The War in Warcraft was to me always the war against the Burning Legion, the real evil, and seeing mortals overcome their differences against a common threat. Some of the new 5.1 spoilers make me hopeful MoP may yet turn out that way in the end.

Sorry about the freak-out and hope I'm still cool with everyone. Over and out.

Originally Posted by Chen Stormstout

To ask why we fight is to ask why leaves fall. (...)

Originally Posted by TotalBiscuit

Gravity? We fight because gravity? Never listen to a philosophy from a panda.

Anyone addressing me: CALM DOWN. I freaked out, because one of my new favorite characters were killed. I've calmed down now, seeing that there's a good chance all of this is leading to finally end this war but we've got to get through some really hard stuff to make everyone turn against Garrosh.

Tirion ruining Wrath's lore? Good joke there, bro. Wrath had the best story in WoW yet, and big part of it was the Argent Crusade.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm an old WC3 fanboy. I'm returning to WoW every once in a while only because of that old bond to that old game. I loved the message and ending of Reign of Chaos, and any time I see the game reverting back to dull black&white morality of WC1, I can only weep at that development. The War in Warcraft was to me always the war against the Burning Legion, the real evil, and seeing mortals overcome their differences against a common threat. Some of the new 5.1 spoilers make me hopeful MoP may yet turn out that way in the end.

Sorry about the freak-out and hope I'm still cool with everyone. Over and out.

Also, it seems like you aren't playing this game for war. Bad choice of game seeing that the game is called Warcraft. And both Vol'jin AND Baine are against this war, they were both big Thrall supporters, and you'll probably see Thrall go against it soon too. The Shado-Pan are also against it obviously. It only goes to show how big this war is when anti-war guys are being slaughtered, and when anti-war characters want war all of a sudden.

If you've had faith in lore 'till this point, I applaud you. I lost faith in it in Wrath, and only now is it coming back again.

People who don't do PvP don't necessarily care about war, and since this "war" we're talking about now is more like an inter-faction mugging than a war, not very interesting at all for alliance at least, everybody is supposedly ready to fight, the peace-keepers are being "removed" in various ways (Either go "Herp derp KILL!" or get killed off/ignored), so when does the alliance fight back?

Theramore was supposed to be this big turning point where alliance leadership grows a pair and the horde finally get a beating, there's still not much sign of that in 5.1, despite it being the time that major forces of both sides hit Pandaria's shores, the lore is becoming a sort of lopsided horde-lovers fanfic now ("Horde wins all coz alliance is t3h st00p1d lolololol!"), accusations of favouritism aside, it's not very logical for one side to just sit around doing nothing while the other is bouncing across the world gathering super-weapons, is it?