This is a discussion on 250 points on Full Tilt = Free HEM within the online poker forums, in the Poker Software & Tools section; Hi guys,
I wanted to buy HEM (Holdem Manager) and on their website I came across a promotion. If I deposit at least $10 on

I wanted to buy HEM (Holdem Manager) and on their website I came across a promotion. If I deposit at least $10 on Full Tilt, and fill in Holdem Manager on my registration somewhere, and if I collect 250 Full Tilt points, I get a '' $100,- cheque '' to spend on the site of Holdem Manager.

Seems like a great promotion to me, but are these points collected fast?
(Grinding like mad on low stakes?!)

I know you can't give me a definite answer on this, as everybody plays a different amount of hours, etc, but I would like to at least get an idea about it.

#2

23rd July 2010, 6:34 PM

PooffyFooffy [13,718]

Online Poker at: bodog

Game: Holdem

It actually all does depend, and especially what stakes, how many tables....
You will want to check into the fact that if you take that promo, you may not be able to sign up for rakeback. (I am not positive about this, but am pretty sure I read it somewhere.)
Before you do it check out all of the pro's and con's.

#3

23rd July 2010, 6:35 PM

TPC [3,600]

Game: Holdem

You do that promo and you wont get rakeback. Rakeback > than HEM for free. Just get rakeback then buy HEM with your first few rakeback payments.

#4

23rd July 2010, 7:16 PM

Avenge111 [15]

Online Poker at: partypoker

Game: Holdem

Excuse me, but I have no idea what rakeback is? Could someone explain?

#5

23rd July 2010, 7:19 PM

PooffyFooffy [13,718]

Poker at: bodog

Game: Holdem

re: Poker & 250 points on Full Tilt = Free HEM

Someone can probably explain it better than me, but basically whenever you play cash games a certain portion of the pot goes to the site for rake. As well as tournies, if you enter a $5.00+.50 tourney, the 5 goes to the prize pool, the .50 goes to rake.
When you sign up for rakeback you get a portion of the rake paid back to you.

#6

23rd July 2010, 7:25 PM

sharkyo01 [1,203]

Game: Snap

Go for the Rackback option your make more then $100 the price of HEM.

#7

23rd July 2010, 7:46 PM

Avenge111 [15]

Poker at: partypoker

Game: Holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy

Someone can probably explain it better than me, but basically whenever you play cash games a certain portion of the pot goes to the site for rake. As well as tournies, if you enter a $5.00+.50 tourney, the 5 goes to the prize pool, the .50 goes to rake.
When you sign up for rakeback you get a portion of the rake paid back to you.

They might, but I got the message loud and clear.
Alright, sounds like FT is a way better site than PartyPoker btw.

(Free monies ^^)

Well, then I think I'll just buy HEM..
Now just thinking about how to create a PayPall acount, because I haven't got a Creditcard.

#8

23rd July 2010, 7:56 PM

cardplayer52 [1,195]

Online Poker at: full tilt

Game: holdem

I think the best rakeback deal out there is the one at cardrunners. Not only do you get rakeback + freerolls you also get 3months of cardrunners and HEM free as well. You just need to have paid a certain amount in rake(not sure I think it's $100 or so).

#9

23rd July 2010, 8:07 PM

Poker Orifice [16,794]

Game: NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avenge111

They might, but I got the message loud and clear.
Alright, sounds like FT is a way better site than PartyPoker btw.

(Free monies ^^)

Well, then I think I'll just buy HEM..
Now just thinking about how to create a PayPall acount, because I haven't got a Creditcard.

Not sure where you live... but here where I live (Canada) you can use MasterCardGiftCard (VanillaCard) for making a deposit. The cards have a fee you initally pay on them at time of purchase (~$5 on $100 card).
They are VERY EASY to use, instant deposit. Hope they work for you where you live.
Also, when depositing it's recommended to deposit in an uneven amount as some banking institutions set blocks on cards when even amount purchases are made online (in an effort to stop people from depositing to online gaming sites). So.... if you pick up a $100 card, just deposit something like $99.64 (or whatever).

As far as others suggesting that just a few rakeback payments will cover the cost of HEM... idk about that one. It depends on what you're playing (what stakes & what volume). Or if it's SNGs & MTTs you're playing or ring game.
Playing SNGs & MTTs you'd have to play a HELL OF ALOT of them to get $100 in rakeback.
I don't play that much on Fulltilt (still probably ~ 15 mtt's per week & maybe a dozen sng's).... I haven't gotten $100 in rakeback on there in 6mos.!! (but I do play ALOT of cash-added mtt's, and of course the $200 added CC freerolls which cuts into my rakeback).
Maybe check out how much rakeback you'd be getting by going to one of the sites & then making calculations to see.

#10

23rd July 2010, 9:27 PM

WillySmackYoAss [150]

Online Poker at: Stars

Game: Hold'em

re: Poker & 250 points on Full Tilt = Free HEM

How would I go about getting rakeback if I already have accounts on the main sites, Stars and FTP?

#11

23rd July 2010, 10:50 PM

TPC [3,600]

Game: Holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herbish1

How would I go about getting rakeback if I already have accounts on the main sites, Stars and FTP?

you don't

#12

23rd July 2010, 11:23 PM

WillySmackYoAss [150]

Online Poker at: Stars

Game: Hold'em

There has to be a way, HEM even mentions something about it but doesn't go into detail.

#13

23rd July 2010, 11:25 PM

TPC [3,600]

Game: Holdem

If you downloaded Full Tilt straight from the Full Tilt website you have to email Full Tilt and ask for rakeback. If you are able to get rakeback they will give you further instructions.

I don't want to open another "Rakeback-Thread"...,
but I like to know how much Rakeback you get exactly.

Let's say I am with one player involved in a pot of $1...
...no matter who wins it...!!!
How much is the rakeback if I have 27% ?

As far as I know on a 1/2 cent table is the rake 1 cent for 20 cent
of the played money in the pot.

So, do I then get 27% rakeback from these 5 cents, right ?
That would be about 0.18 cent for a dollar I was involved in a play.

Is my calculation right...???

#15

23rd July 2010, 11:59 PM

PooffyFooffy [13,718]

Poker at: bodog

Game: Holdem

re: Poker & 250 points on Full Tilt = Free HEM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aikindoma

I don't want to open another "Rakeback-Thread"...,
but I like to know how much Rakeback you get exactly.

Let's say I am with one player involved in a pot of $1...
...no matter who wins it...!!!
How much is the rakeback if I have 27% ?

As far as I know on a 1/2 cent table is the rake 1 cent for 20 cent
of the played money in the pot.

So, do I then get 27% rakeback from these 5 cents, right ?
That would be about 0.18 cent for a dollar I was involved in a play.

Is my calculation right...???

Everyone thanks you for not starting another thread. I have not calculated how much you get, the way I see it, a deposit into my account every Friday and not by me, is cool with me.

#16

24th July 2010, 12:35 AM

rozzz5 [77]

Online Poker at: Full tilt

Game: HORSE

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardplayer52

I think the best rakeback deal out there is the one at cardrunners. Not only do you get rakeback + freerolls you also get 3months of cardrunners and HEM free as well. You just need to have paid a certain amount in rake(not sure I think it's $100 or so).

You can get free card runners by getting a certain amount of ftp a week.

#17

24th July 2010, 5:18 AM

cardplayer52 [1,195]

Poker at: full tilt

Game: holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by rozzz5

You can get free card runners by getting a certain amount of ftp a week.

yes you need 1375ftps for a free week 5,500 for the whole month at trulyfreepokertraining but what i was talking about was thier rakeback deal. if you signup for thier rakeback deal after you have paid $100 in rake you get cardunners for 3 months free any time you earned at tfpt will be added to the 3 month. but you also get HEM free. And it's rakeback so you get $27 back from the $100 you paid in rake. I think it's the best deal out there. Not that i've researched any other deals.

#18

24th July 2010, 6:08 AM

dmorris68 [6,781]

Online Poker at: Wherever

Game: NLHE

If you play any decent amount of cash, or intend to one day, you'll make $100 in RB easily. I never played above 50NL to speak of (only a couple shots at 100NL), and I made over $100 RB in a week sometimes. Granted I was grinding 9-10 tables and playing almost 10k hands a week at my peak, but it's certainly doable. For the 4 mos or so I played strictly cash with RB I made about $650 in RB alone. Yes it will be much slower playing SnGs/MTTs (unless you grind a helluva lot of 'em), but still, you're leaving money on the table if you don't take the RB deal.

The thing is even if it takes you 6 mos to earn $100, you're going to earn RB *forever* (well, as long as you play and continue to offer it). If you go with the HEM promotion, then you'll only ever earn HEM and nothing else. Ever. Once you've signed with an affiliate and deposited, you are forever tied to that affiliate and nothing whatsoever can be done to get RB. Forever is a long time. Don't waste it. As much as I love HEM and want the guys to get their revenue, I can't in good conscience suggest you give up RB for that. Unless you just don't ever expect to play much, but then why would you need HEM?

#19

24th July 2010, 12:36 PM

Pascal-lf [3,160]

Poker at: Full Tilt

Game: Hold'em

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmorris68

If you play any decent amount of cash, or intend to one day, you'll make $100 in RB easily. I never played above 50NL to speak of (only a couple shots at 100NL), and I made over $100 RB in a week sometimes. Granted I was grinding 9-10 tables and playing almost 10k hands a week at my peak, but it's certainly doable. For the 4 mos or so I played strictly cash with RB I made about $650 in RB alone. Yes it will be much slower playing SnGs/MTTs (unless you grind a helluva lot of 'em), but still, you're leaving money on the table if you don't take the RB deal.

The thing is even if it takes you 6 mos to earn $100, you're going to earn RB *forever* (well, as long as you play and continue to offer it). If you go with the HEM promotion, then you'll only ever earn HEM and nothing else. Ever. Once you've signed with an affiliate and deposited, you are forever tied to that affiliate and nothing whatsoever can be done to get RB. Forever is a long time. Don't waste it. As much as I love HEM and want the guys to get their revenue, I can't in good conscience suggest you give up RB for that. Unless you just don't ever expect to play much, but then why would you need HEM?

When I was 4tabling 5NL Rush I used to make $40 in a good week, and on Rush Week I made about $30 only getting 100 points per day

#20

24th July 2010, 6:30 PM

aikindoma [179]

Online Poker at: FTP/PS

re: Poker & 250 points on Full Tilt = Free HEM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aikindoma

I don't want to open another "Rakeback-Thread"...,
but I like to know how much Rakeback you get exactly.

Let's say I am with one player involved in a pot of $1...
...no matter who wins it...!!!
How much is the rakeback if I have 27% ?

As far as I know on a 1/2 cent table is the rake 1 cent for 20 cent
of the played money in the pot.

So, do I then get 27% rakeback from these 5 cents, right ?
That would be about 0.18 cent for a dollar I was involved in a play.

Is my calculation right...???

I made a mistake in my calcualation...

The correct amount is 1.35cent for $1 in the pot on a 1/2cent table.

So you have to be involved in pot for $100 to get $1.35 Rakeback.

This is my calculation on the smallest tables...

For $100 you are involved in pots you get

NL/PL Tables - $0.01/$0.02, $0.02/$0.05, $0.05/$0.10,0.10/$0.25

$1.35 rakeback

NL/PL Tables - $0.25/$0.50

$6.75 rakeback

FL Tables - $0.05/$0.10, $0.10/$0.20

$1.35 rakeback

FL Tables - $0.25/$0.50, $0.50/$1

$6.75 rakebackFL Tables - $1/$2

$33.75 rakebackFL Tables - $2/$4+

$67.50 rakebackfor up to 3 people in one pot

$140 rakebackfrom 4-9 people in one pot

So fixed limit tables give you the most Rakeback of all.

#21

25th July 2010, 8:02 AM

Poker Orifice [16,794]

Game: NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by TPC

you don't

This ^ isn't true (unless you've signed up to the pokersite thru an affiliate).

To get rakeback on an existing account on Fulltilt, contact rakebackpros. (Pokerstars doesn't have rakeback)

#22

26th July 2010, 9:04 PM

LarkMarlow [14,358]

Online Poker at: Live

Game: NL Holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by TPC

If you downloaded Full Tilt straight from the Full Tilt website you have to email Full Tilt and ask for rakeback. If you are able to get rakeback they will give you further instructions.

Thanks, as always, Champ! I contacted FT and this is what they wrote back (within minutes, btw!);

Thanks for getting in contact with us about rakeback.

Although Full Tilt Poker does not offer rakeback directly to players, our preferred affiliate partner RakeBackPros.com offers rakeback to players who sign up through their website with Full Tilt Poker.

We've sent your player details to RakeBackPros.com and they will be in direct contact with you.

#23

26th July 2010, 9:22 PM

nevadanick [8,289]

Poker at: live tables

Game: stud

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avenge111

Well, then I think I'll just buy HEM..
Now just thinking about how to create a PayPall acount, because I haven't got a Creditcard.

Reconsider opening a Paypal account for gaming account funding. Paypal TOS clearly state that Paypal CANNOT be used for funding any gambling activities. If they detect it (and they are good at it) they will close your account without notice and tie up your funds for up to 180 days.

#24

26th July 2010, 10:00 PM

TPC [3,600]

Game: Holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by LarkMarlow

Thanks, as always, Champ! I contacted FT and this is what they wrote back (within minutes, btw!);

Thanks for getting in contact with us about rakeback.

Although Full Tilt Poker does not offer rakeback directly to players, our preferred affiliate partner RakeBackPros.com offers rakeback to players who sign up through their website with Full Tilt Poker.

We've sent your player details to RakeBackPros.com and they will be in direct contact with you.

Congrats. Rakeback is huge!! It really helps the bottom line. I'm glad you were able to get rake back. RakeBackPros can be rather slow to get back to you. I suggest just going to their site and registering. You'll get your rakeback account like a week sooner doing that.

#25

26th July 2010, 11:05 PM

dmorris68 [6,781]

Poker at: Wherever

Game: NLHE

re: Poker & 250 points on Full Tilt = Free HEM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevadanick

Reconsider opening a Paypal account for gaming account funding. Paypal TOS clearly state that Paypal CANNOT be used for funding any gambling activities. If they detect it (and they are good at it) they will close your account without notice and tie up your funds for up to 180 days.

I expect he's just talking about a PP account to buy HEM. That is allowed. They just don't allow funding of gambling accounts or other direct gambling transactions.