DontTreadOnME

"Read up on U.S. history. Lets use WV history as an example of why. Look up the Battle of Blair Mountain."

So you'd prefer another government entity, which is less accountable to the people, to oversee a state government? Why would you think that the Federal government is more "wholesome" then any state government? (see Patriot act, TARP, NDAA, NSA, Drones killing U.S Citizens, IRS harassment, the list can go on). So tell me who's going to keep the federal government in line, us? All governments have corruption, power breeds it, but personally I'd rather have my choice of 50 sovereign governments then one Federal Leviathan attempting to tell 314 million of us what we need to do. Are the needs of WV the same as the needs for California?

Jester01

I agree! This two party system is inaccurate to what most actually feel on various different issues. Who completely aligns with all of thier party's platforms? The brainwashed, the ignorant and the ones who decide that it is. I'm game with more plurality in the party system but we all know how that works out in the end as our history details. How about you convince your tea party to initiate this process again by spliting from the Republicans? Like you always say, It's time!

Jester01

IC38: Apparently you know CO better than I do. Sounds like there is a history between you two. After reading what you said about him it sounds like your the bitter one for some reason. You stated: "I do mean this in the nicest way possible." Did you really? With this and your comments about higher education, you just lost all your cool points. I thought we had something the other night. Now I give you as much respect as dirtman.

Jester01

Tread stated: "again since when did we give government the power to solve all our issues, and if we did the bigger question would be WHY?"

Read up on U.S. history. Lets use WV history as an example of why. Look up the Battle of Blair Mountain. That was an example of what happens when governments don't step in to help regulate runaway "Banana Republic" style corporations before it's too late. Eventually the Federal Government had to step in to stop the fighting. Who was the leviathon in that situation? That said, I think what we need is a HEALTHY BALANCE between governments and businesses. Otherwise, neither can function properly.

realitycheck

"Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent." The cancellation notices, which began arriving in August, have shocked many consumers in light of President Barack Obama’s promise that people could keep their plans if they liked them."

interstatecommuter38

DontTreadOnME

Want to create jobs? Stop our government from acting like a "banana republic" where the rules and laws change every year on the whim of an administration using overreaching bureaucracies and vilifying job creators. Let's bring back some stability, only then corporation will come back here.

DontTreadOnME

" Why do guys still try to have conversations with con? After you wade through the delusions of grandeur,the other metal disorders,loathing of the private industry,profit taking and the jealousy of passing down families wealth to the next generation you are left with the obvious. A bitter dependent(on what level who knows) who is at best only a minor strain on society. I do mean this in the nicest way possible. Lol"

I just do it so the reasonable people who read these boards see a more moderate and historically accurate point of view, C1 is beyond reach.

interstatecommuter38

interstatecommuter38

Why do guys still try to have conversations with con? After you wade through the delusions of grandeur,the other metal disorders,loathing of the private industry,profit taking and the jealousy of passing down families wealth to the next generation you are left with the obvious. A bitter dependent(on what level who knows) who is at best only a minor strain on society. I do mean this in the nicest way possible. Lol

DontTreadOnME

first, you only need car insurance if you drive a car, second, unless your car has a lien on it you only need car insurance to protect OTHERS, not yourself and collision is required by the lienholder not the government, third there is NO FEDERAL requirement for auto insurance, it's regulated by the states as it should be. forth, the guy that has had accidents or tickets pays MORE then you for his insurance doesn't he? want to continue this comparison? because there really don't any.

DontTreadOnME

"Cingrats to the Teapublicans on keeping the focus on Obamacare and nothing else. Jobs bill? no. Education...no. Help for Vets and the laid-off..nope. Shutting down the government for your own political stance knowing perfectly well this will not change anything except put the country deeper in debt...you betchya! Looks like another winning year for Democrats! Thank you Teapublicans for doing this! You have guaranteed a democratic house, senate, and executive brach!"

yes because a federal lavithan full of curropt pols must solve all our issues. again since when did we give government the power to solve all our issues, and if we did the bigger question would be WHY?

RenHoek

Cingrats to the Teapublicans on keeping the focus on Obamacare and nothing else. Jobs bill? no. Education...no. Help for Vets and the laid-off..nope. Shutting down the government for your own political stance knowing perfectly well this will not change anything except put the country deeper in debt...you betchya! Looks like another winning year for Democrats! Thank you Teapublicans for doing this! You have guaranteed a democratic house, senate, and executive brach!

Bullhead

Why does our society keep using the bully-force of government to "solve" problems when it has proved overwhelmingly inept in such circumstances and erases our once-cherished Freedom?

The cost below, I'm sure, will not include all the wasted taxes to attempt to fix Obama's folly.

"Overall, the government has spent $394 million setting up the website and the exchanges through which the public can buy health insurance, according to a report earlier this year from the General Accountability Office." CNN

Bullhead

So Obama and the White House think that they can unilaterally change "the law" if they choose, yet adamantly and harmfully opposed the people's legislators in the House when they attempted to properly postpone Obamacare's individual mandate?

Pathetic "leadership" and abuse by President Obama continues...

"Asked if the administration is looking for flexibility in applying the mandate, Carney said: "Whatever conclusions you draw about the way the law is written, I think you can draw. The law is clear that if you do not have access to affordable health insurance, then you will not be asked to pay a penalty because you haven't purchased affordable health insurance."

ContraryOne

The goal is to get everybody to sign up for Obamacare. The Supreme Court has ruled it Constitutional. I've never had an accident, so why should I need auto insurance? I don't have kids in WV so why should I have to pay real estate taxes?

DontTreadOnME

or 1% of income, whichever is higher, percentages mean everything right C1? And now tell us how it will be in 2015, 2016 and 2017. Also tell us up to what family income will be subsidized by other taxpayers.

never mind, you'll ignore that data, for everyone else it's $325 or 2% of income and in 2016 it's $695 or 2.5% of income. and a family of 4 making up to $88,000/yr gets a taxpayer subsidy.