This video advocates for the Occupy Wall Street to take on a revolution of mass pan-secession and sites the Republic of Lakotah as one example of such a movement that would "provide life boats for Americans to escape the sinking ship that is the American Empire."

The first speaker was Waziyatawin of the L/D/N Nations (on the previous link). Then there was a gentleman from Canada and he made some good points but kept worrying about the mic set up and his message was therefore diluted. Then this woman finished up:

I asked RavenWarrior in a PM if he had read the Declaration that came out of the NY General Assembly and the amendment that AIM made before the the General Assembly in Denver. Then I got to thinking, how many here have read these documents?

The first can be translated into many different languages. Any one person could block and any one member could veto. This is a bill of particulars, while not all inclusive, was what the consensus could agree upon, which, I think is a good first step:http://www.nycga.net/resources/declaration/

Russell Means along with those who have worked so hard and vigilantly at his side and behind the scenes for the ROL along with the rights and dignity of all indigenous people have never received, in my opinion, the respect and recognition due to them. I'm certain a big part of this is due to the government run media. Ran across a blog awhile back which gives Russell a bit of recognition for this:

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So I am heading back for three weeks and this time it is for a very special reason. Back in 1998 when I started to learn about Pine Ridge it had a lot to do with reading the remarkable autobiography of legendary American Indian Movement leader Russell Means. When I say legendary and many of you scratch your head in wonder of why you do not know the name is that racism is alive and well in the USA and you can see that most evidently in the reporting of current events and recent history. Russell instigated bigger civil rights actions than Malcolm X ever did. Some equalled the scale of activities of Martin Luther King and often exceeded the Black Civil Rights movement in terms of the violence thrown back at them by the US Government. Most famous is the Wounded Knee Occupation over 71 days in 1973 when members of AIM occupied the small village of Wounded Knee while residents still lived there and the Government with armoured personnel carrier and fighter planes flying overhead fired up to half a million bullets in on the activists. Amazingly only two AIM supporters were killed.

[url][url]http://rezbomb.com/blog/?p=409[/url][/url].Russell Means has inspired me more than any other to take an honest look at this country and to spend the rest of my days doing whatever I can, in whatever small way, to bring about change for we the people.

The biggest problem with the occutards is the is no coherent message or goals. The movement is made up of misfits who want everything for free. Myself, I was opposed to any bailout of wallstreet and detroit automakers. That is why there are bankruptcy laws. I do not begrudge any man, or woman who makes a sucess of their life. Many of the occutards have degrees in subjects that can in no way provide a decent living. Why should anyone support them? They chose to go into a field where there are zero job opportunities.

I work for people who many, including myself, consider to be "rich". One is a retired divorce lawyer. She worked 3 jobs to put heself through law school, while raising 2 small children. When she retired she was at the top of her field. One client is a retired state congressman. He was a farmer and the son of a farmer. 2 particular clients were country boys from central fl. They got an education and started at the bottom a a nationwide car rental company. When they retired they built waterfront, million dollar houses. My best friend, who now lives in Indiana is a perfect example. He is the son of a Korean immigrant. His mother saw the Japanese invasion in 1931. She saw the communist come out of the hills and kill her father. She came here to have a chance for a better life. My friend got good grades in schoolpaid his own tuition to Purdue. After 2 years of being an honor student he finally got a scholorship. He studied engineering and design. After college became the youngest executive for a global toy company. He now has his own toy design business. This is only a few examples of the people I work for. All are self made.

How can anyone begrudge personal sucess of another? I know many on this site believe in socialism. I ask this question of you. What do you think of the reservation system here in amerika? Is it fair and just? The reservation system was americas first venture into socialism. How is it working?FRom my observation of the only reservation I have visited and the videos posted from others, it has never worked.

Yes, there are poor people here in america. Europe has had 60 years of socialism and there are many many poor people there. The social entitlements in europe are crippling the governments. That is why 2/3 of the nations there are either bankrupt or on the verdge of being bankrupt. No form of government is perfect. From monarchy, communism, socialisn, to captialism each has their flaws and If someone needs food stamps, I dont care. I do think they should be tested for drugs. If they can afford to smoke dope, they can buy their own food. I did I smoked dope most of my adult life, I supported myself. Many days I had no food, but I had my pot. i have always been responsible for my actions or inactions. No one else is resposible for me. When someone else becomes responsible for me, I lose my dignity and self respect. I would cease being a man, then it will be time for me to die. For I do not want to be the charge of another. This is my take on the occutard movement.

How can anyone begrudge personal sucess of another? I know many on this site believe in socialism. I ask this question of you. What do you think of the reservation system here in amerika? Is it fair and just? The reservation system was americas first venture into socialism. How is it working?FRom my observation of the only reservation I have visited and the videos posted from others, it has never worked.

Flip, I don't agree with this statement, respectfully. The reservation system was a tool to hide ndn's from public view; amerika's shameful little secret, so to speak. I would not equate it with socialism but rather more on the lines of concentration camps or interment camps. I come from a wealthy family, but always the black sheep and rebel. I now work for very wealthy people myself and yes, many did work hard to attain their wealth however to me the problem is not how much they have in their bank accounts but rather their attitudes towards those of us who work hard to "serve" them. As long as their lives are unhindered by "going without" they do not give a damn for the hardships faced by the poor. I do not like rich people; they believe money makes them better than others. So not true. Best people on earth are the poor; didn't someone once say "blessed are the poor. . . for they shall see God."

I come from a wealthy family, but always the black sheep and rebel. I now work for very wealthy people myself and yes, many did work hard to attain their wealth however to me the problem is not how much they have in their bank accounts but rather their attitudes towards those of us who work hard to "serve" them. As long as their lives are unhindered by "going without" they do not give a damn for the hardships faced by the poor. I do not like rich people; they believe money makes them better than others. So not true. Best people on earth are the poor; didn't someone once say "blessed are the poor. . . for they shall see God."

I can only say you work for the wrong people. Those I work for are as close to friends as I have ever had. They respect me because I stand on my own 2 feet, I ask for nothing. One gent went out and bought a 2002 chevy express van, with 6 months insurance paid, and gave me the keys. I came very close to refusing the gift. I did not want it, but I realized I could make more money with a more reliable vehicle. In 2006, for my birthday I was given a 1995 boston whaler boat.

I am himeless right now. My clients know this, and they respect the fact I still ask for nothing. I sleep in my best friends vacant house with no power or water. I use a power inverter to run my computer so I can watch movies or listen to music. I bathe by filling up gallon milk jugs. I have work but am paying off probation and trying to survive obomanomics and cannot afford a place to live. I am alo I have nothing against the "poor". I am poor and I also grew up in West Virginia. So, I know all about being poor. I am also saving what I can so I can buy a piece of land in the mtns.

Before the econmy tanked, I had a good business. I rented a nice 2 br house. When i moved in, my clients furnished it fully. I have teak furniture. I have nice arrt for the walls. I have electronics, all given to me by clients. I refuse to sell my belongings because I have hope for the future. I did not ask for any of it, it was offered. If I did not want it, I would not have accepted these items. NO, I did not need the furniture, I had my own.

What I am against is the occutard losers who want everything handed to them, without working for it. In many areas of the country there is work. It just takes ambition to go after it. I turned down a several "real job" because I refuse to work for mexican wages. I have learned my trades and i will not work for what I did 15 years ago when I learned these skills. I get paid for whatt I know as well as what I can do. I am not going to do my skilled labor for laborer wages. 15 years ago I was working for $10-$12 per hour.

I know many people who refuse to work at mc donalds because they will lose their foodstamps. I have no respect for people like that. Life is what you make of it. I made mine more difficult because of bad choices in my youth. It is not the fault of the rich. They did not put a straw up my nose or a joint in my hand, I did. refuse to make them pay for my bad choices and mistakes. I get nothing for free. I sell my skills and knowledge. My quality of work speaks for itsself. Which is why I have worked in one neieghborhood for 11 years. Everybody has a skill and some ability they can market.

If somebody has a way to make life better for those who want it, that does not require me or anyone to pay half of our wages in taxes, let me hear it. Foodstamps should be like unemployement, fill out 10 job apps a week, and the help will run out after a time. That way there is some encouragement to look for and get a job.

The only thing in life I am"entitled" to is a hard time. When I look in the mirror, I respect what I see, what I have become. I take great pride in asking nothing and supporting myself.

I believe the reservation system is the governments forst forray into socialism. Per treaty teh government is supposed to provide food, medical, housing, all the "comforts of life". Yet how is that working? IT blows, it doesnot work. It has not worked for 200 years. If the government can not uphold the treaty provisions, these responsibilities for a popultation of less than10 million people, how can it offer the same "benifits" to a population of a couple hundred million people? Those on the reservations are the ony ones entitled to anything. Thoose treaties should be honored sto the fullest extent. Why should I support some loser in say, new york city because all he wants to do is sit on the computer and play video games. I shouldnt, no one should support that. And, yes, I know people lke that. They would rather play games that look for work. I have seen it with myb own eyes.

Without looking it up can you tell me please just what is 'socialism?' Can you tell me please just what an ocuutard is? Have you made any REAL effort to LISTEN, from city to city, what people of the Occupy movement are bitching about and what they want? Where, in the video I posted, is socialism mentioned? That video was from the Occupy Denver site. Are you saying that Tink Tinker is an occutard?

Would the system of the indigenous of this land whereby they made sure everyone ate and had shelter be deemed 'socialism' with those poorer members living off the rich members?

For someone of such obvious intelligence you sound like a Fixed News commentator.

I grew up poor but I had rich grandparents.My father wanted to do things on his own without his parents help.My father was a pastor.Some of my rich family were snooty(not my grandparents) and they tooted their nose up at us because we were poor.Flip,your best friend's family weren't originally Americans and that is why they are humble.Rich Americans think they are better than others and I don't like them either.I have worked hard all my life and because of weird circumstances I still am poor and I am happy as long as I can make ends meet. When you are poor you invent things and use your imagination more.I rather be poor.When I lived in Beaufort SC I had a 700 Sq.Ft. beach house(2 blocks from the ocean)My husband and I went to sell it and a customer of mine said he would like to look at it because he was looking for a rent house.When he saw it he said you are poor and when he came into where I worked he never spoke to me again.He used to be friendly to me before he saw my home.I agree with you Flip on that some of the occutards don't have any idea of what life is about but some of the occupiers do.My daughter and her husband is on food stamps.She been working at McDonalds for 4 years and supports 5 children.Her husband gets jobs through a temp service ever since the economy fell.I am still proud of them because a job is a job no matter what you do.The reservations have been nothing more than a prison camp to get rid of the Indians,but the Indians have tried to make the best of what happened to them.Some of the reservations are doing good (Cherokee NC for one) and the government and the rich people want what they have and tries to have their hand in everything they do, just like they do the rest of America.Jennifer

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I am sorry if I sounded like a jerk to you. That was not my intent. The Occupy Movement has been supported by indigenous peoples all over this country.

No one has a problem with someone getting rich through hard work. But as Elisabeth Warren (Senatorial candidate from Massachusetts) has pointed out "No on got rich on their own. They used the roads, the water and the transportation systems made by the government."

Didn't Sitting Bull say something along the line of "White people are good at making things but don't know how to distribute them." ???

As Waziyatawin said in another video I posted on this thread said, "The system isn't broken, it was built that way."

Lostspirit, i was thinking on those lines, people need to be self sufficient with leadership that works to make that happen in my opinion, you know as well as i that the status quo does not agree with me, oligarchy , with a mindfuck paint bucket to make us mumble to ourselves, the resevations are not experiments in socialism they are bases of sovernity and resistence getting the same paint put on them like the rest of the country, i am hopeful we will get our ducks in a row , but damn if i know, we got a lot of brainwashing to get shed of, take the word Conservative and the bas akward people driving their Cadilacs use it,hell they are even brainwashed, half of them think they they really are conservative, like my guru says, freedom ringa ling a ringa ling, , here the thing , the red and white stripes in the American flag is the red man and the white man, secret stuff , hell no, brainwashing, just like Civil War bullshit, and Jesus being born of a virgin bullshit, look at Catholic picture of Jesus, he looks like a fag on heroin, in reality he ran the moneychangers out of the Temple and they hated him for it, i guess fate put me to figure that out, i know this, some of my ancestors came here to get away from those loons, looks like the last stand to me

they talk in absolute terms like capitalism and communism like their is no middle ground, and the middle ground aint socialism which is a nice word for feudalism, self sufficiency is middle ground which leaves the door open to work all you want to have what you want or not, and like a friends dad told him, boy you dont have to work when you grow up, everyone has got the right to starve,they talk population control out of one side of their mouth and no birth control out of the other,

Pahanna, I ran across (somewhere) a picture of an American Flag, upside down, with Russell Means describing what he thought of when he saw the flag. It went something like this: "In the white I see the color of the people that stole my land. In the Red I see the blood of my people. In the blue I see the coldness they used to do it. That is what I see when I see that flag." Naturally when I went back to get the link I couldn't find it.

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Senator Bernie sanders is the only socialist serving in the US Congress yet day in and day out he fights for the small guy. He fights congress, the banking system and CEOs that rip off the average citizens. Am I a socialist.............no but neither am I a capitalist that by definition has to have slavery in order to work.

Flip, It seems to me that it is those who created the financial mess we are in are the Wall Street wonder-boys who pushed to make home ownership a 'right.' They chopped up and spindled the loans selling them as AAA investments when they knew, as testified to in Congress, they were "Shitty." Then they bet against the loans. When the house of cards came down the US taxpayer was suddenly on the hook. They are the same ones blowing up your mountain tops for coal. The same ones fracking and oil sands pipeline enthusiast. They did the same thing to European countries. Howl all you want to about "European socialism" but when you pay a very large percentage of your wage in taxes and actually get the services you want including health care, what is the problem until venture capitalist sell you junk that is represented as the best and now want their money for crap?

There has not been such a disparity in wealth in this country since the gilded age and yet when asked to increase their tax by a measly 3% they bitch and moan and yell "class warfare" as they move their profits to off shore accounts. Mitt Romney paid a tax rate of 15% of his income. How much do you pay (rhetorical question)?

I worked for a company for 32 years and will have no health care because the union invested in those "shitty" AAA bonds. I got my first job at the age of eight and my parents insisted that I get a SS Card. That was wayyyy before you got one at birth. Social Security would have been there but Congress "borrowed" the money and the conservatives say it's a poor system. Well, yeah, it is a poor system when you allow politicians to steal your investment. I'd better shut up!!!

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i can definately see how he sees it like that, they damn sure is a rat in the nest, killing all the buffalo, and such, here in the south we got our ass kicked by a government that promoted slavery and then used it to occupy and denigrate, i am just saying that the truth of the matter has/is been turned upside down and inside out, Iraq was the same senario, they didnt care about anything but the oil, i know this from Special Forces guy who was working for Haliburton, hell i heard this black lady congreesman calling them demons and i agree , i wish Tecumseh could have pulled the tribes together , in my elementary school library his biography was right their with Jefferson and Washington, and Franklin thought the Germans were dumb , i hear the American dollar wwill be shifting to Chinese, did i say American, i meant British

I have a problem with the next to last one "They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas." My problem with it is this: It does not include the words "and here" on them. # 2 Well, it just doesn't go far enough to say what was always obvious, they committed crimes. In my opinion I think it is time to use the death penalty. I know that's harsh but people have died from this. Or maybe we should do as one Congressional aide suggested: "You know, if you put just one of them in a real fuck-um up the butt prison, all this bullshit would stop."

People are doing what they can where they can. Some things are universal and others local. People in Denver have different problems than those in Seattle or Oakland or New Mexico or or New York. The rot is too deep, too embedded to have one message, one idea or one leader or set of leaders. People are attacking school boards meetings, NATO Summits and on different rezs the pipeline, fracking and cultural genocide: http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/There is no difference between the government and the corporation who the government fights wars for in order to steal from the indigenous of other counties and continents as well as this one.

Flip wrote:

I ask this question of you. What do you think of the reservation system here in amerika? Is it fair and just? The reservation system was americas first venture into socialism.

You say that the reservations were the first venture into socialism and I heartily disagree with you. You had societies that were of the collective nature. No one person could, for long, survive on their own. Women collected herbs, seeds and acorns and such when not collectively farming. Men hunted and helped farm when heavy work was needed. Capitalism was forced down their throats. Kill the buffalo and give them plows. Make them a surf. Oh, you may need to change the way they govern themselves, you know, cut out the elders and give them "Presidents" and such.

There was a chant right at the start of the movement. It was "This revolution will not be televised." And it hasn't been. Everything you get from TV or radio is bullshit from commentators on something they know nothing bout.

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