During my time on this forum I've tended to notice that a lot of people have what seems to be a natural reaction of hostility to any notions of empires, expansionism into non-White areas, and even contact with other races, preferring some sort of isolationism which they think will guarantee their race and/or nation's long-term survival.

Well, aside from the obvious basis of our ideology as White Nationalists (the need of Racial Separation), I disagree with this tendency and desire for isolation. And history is on my side on this one. Why? Because Europe's greatness is in large part due to European peoples' inexorable will to be explorers, pioneers, conquerors and colonizers. Make no mistake about it, Europe reached her absolute apogee in the 19th/early 20th centuries not because of isolation but because our people were versatile and strong enough to expand their horizons and go explore and conquer the Americas, Africa, most of Asia and Oceania. White Europeans were able to assert their will everywhere we went, and that allowed the continent (and thus the White race) to dominate the world so utterly.

Of course the lack of a binding racial ideology has in centuries past stopped us from achieving infinitely more than what we did, but the ex nihilo creation of new White nations such as Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa (almost gone...), Argentina, Uruguay and parts of Chile and Brazil is arguably the greatest European achievement of the last thousand years. Had our race stayed in isolation during that period Europe wouldn't have become the power she was 100 years ago, and hundreds of millions of Whites today on every other continent would never have existed.

I want to address the main point made by those who counter the idea of European expansion with the current non-White expansion in Europe and other White countries as its inevitable consequence. This is simply not true; the suicidal policies of our governments TODAY and since the 1950s are responsible for that, not our excellence in centuries past. Britain isn't being invaded because the British Empire existed; Britain is being invaded because she is ruled by traitors to the White race who work for an alien interest (the Jewish influence). Not convinced yet? Then answer these questions:

1) Why is it that every single Western White nation which never had a non-White colonial Empire is also being invaded? Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Ireland, Finland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are also being invaded by non-Whites. Those nations never colonized a single non-White, yet they're being invaded today.

2) Why is it that Japan, which DID have a massive colonial empire in the last years of the 19th century and in the first half of the 20th century, is 99%+ ethnically Japanese? They had a massive colonial Empire which ruled its non-Japanese subjects with an iron fist, yet nobody is invading Japan. Why not? Because Japan is governed by men who care for Japan and are not utter traitors to their people.

The answer is simple. All Western White nations are ruled by traitors who open the flood gates of Third World immigration, regardless of whether those nations had a history of expansion into non-White lands or not. Past expansion has nothing to do with out current predicament, with the exception of the simple fact that expansion allowed White nations to prosper and now those who could never create such prosperity in their own nations want to steal it from the Whites.

So, in conclusion, expansion is not necessarily a bad thing, and it has in fact allowed the White race to progress to where it is today in terms of achievements; isolation would've greatly impaired that progress. Isolation is no cure against invasion. Strength and the will to defend oneself are the cures to invasion, and we must combine our strength, as Whites, to throw the non-White hordes out of our lands, for good, and regain our position as the dominant White European people our ancestors were.

We have already been overrun and our initiave has been compromised. We no longer have the executive luxury to consider isolation versus expansion. In people terms, it has become a matter of consolidation vs dispersal.

We are in a position of asymmetrical conflict, so consolidation is not our best option. It would be too easy to be cut off and bled out. It is much better that each locale is empowered to react independantly.

The first priority for us at this time in history is to take back our own backyards. You can call that the expansion of the white empire if you like, but it is more like survival.

I am not exactly sure at what you are asking about via this thread but I will "assume" it is in regard to expansion vs isolation in politics/economy.

It is or can be a contradiction of ideals in many regards.

In modern economy for example, no nation or biz does it all. They likely sublet some portion of their biz or component of such (manufacture of a component) to an outside source. The same holds true with economy of life in many ways. Few can do it all.

The isolationist must be able to "do it all" in order to survive OR be able to remain true to their ID and sublet what was needed to others in return for a fee or other biz in return. The burden in a WN point of view is, "can you handle subletting of a slice of your biz/livelihood in return for the sustained existence of it?"

The same holds true for your personal view of WN to a degree and this may be the heart of your thread. Can a WN survive on its' own? Should it expand its' boundaries and if so....with how much aggression?

I am not sure where I stand among my brothers but I believe we can have the best of both worlds. We can stay true to our ideals and beliefs, etc and also do business with the world abroad outside of our ideals. Assurance of a boundary and quality of life and separation to preserve the belief is the key. The expansion of the WN would entirely depend on the creation and sustenance of a true WN.

Hope that responds to your thread in part and I hope I don't get flamed out by my peers.

i agree with gator...i think now our "exploration" is WN. we are in a cycle of our own, and this stage, or WN, is the only route to take.exploration is alot like the viking age.population boom then we sail.right now we need to consolodate. when we have been filled to the brim with our own beautiful people in our own homeland then we'll talk about exploration.

i agree with gator...i think now our "exploration" is WN. we are in a cycle of our own, and this stage, or WN, is the only route to take.exploration is alot like the viking age.population boom then we sail.right now we need to consolodate. when we have been filled to the brim with our own beautiful people in our own homeland then we'll talk about exploration.

Yes. I'm not talking about White expansion TODAY since that would be a ridiculous objective until every non-White is removed from our countries.

I'm defending the concept itself from a historical point of view, and the idea that we should never shy away from asserting our interests, wherever they may be.

During my time on this forum I've tended to notice that a lot of people have what seems to be a natural reaction of hostility to any notions of empires, expansionism into non-White areas, and even contact with other races, preferring some sort of isolationism which they think will guarantee their race and/or nation's long-term survival.

White nationalism is rooted in the belief in strict national sovereignty for all peoples around the world. If we call our own lands 'White' then we can't be hypocrites by invading other peoples' lands.

I agree to a degree... but until we have stellar space-colonization abilities, Isolation is one of the best means of White Survival... especially if we are talking about only certain regions and/or countries waking up in time.

If Canada was to have a WN government, and the US did not share our views.. Isolationism would be the best form of survival. An alliance with a WN Russia and a Fascist Japan would be necessary for enough support from a hostile ZOG E.U. and ZOG U.S...

Switzerland would benefit from Isolationism, if there were no hope for the E.U. countries surrounding it. Until we have Mainland Europe, or most of North America... expansionism may not serve us well in this age.

Even if Britain was a strong, proud nation once again... how could it dominate India in this age? 1.1 billion people, million strong military, and nukes. How would they be able to tame the wilds of Africa again. There are too many new rivals to challenge them alone. Maybe there could be hope to reverse to situation in South Africa... but there are fewer far-flung settlements in the World for the White people.

If we can hold on to 75% of our current land, we'd be set. Even half!

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Now the Japanese have been both Imperialistic and Isolationist.
Now they are back to Isolationism, but Economically are opposite.

Because the Japanese race, is for most purposes, solitary... and their numbers are smaller in relation to their greater Asian cousins, Isolation suits them well.

We can already be expansionist in the mindset of... colonizing the barren lands of Canada and Russia. That alone is enough to work on. Why bother with the Darklands, when we have so much potential already?

Canada could support 500 million whites at some day. If we need to rebuild our numbers somewhere... we have the land already. Australia on the other hand is limited by water supply. They can only comfortably support 20 million.

White nationalism is rooted in the belief in strict national sovereignty for all peoples around the world. If we call our own lands 'White' then we can't be hypocrites by invading other peoples' lands.

Yes; I'm not promoting the idea that we should start a second Age of Colonization, merely defending the previous one, its effects and the need to defend the areas gained to the White race then (the countries outside of Europe which I mentioned earlier). Of course, our priority is to defend all current White areas, whether they're in Europe or not. Some extreme proponents of isolation might lead to the extremely dubious idea of abandoning non-European White areas.