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I regret to have downloaded the new version of evernote, as now my notebooks are all organized in a list. This does not give a good overview - one has to scroll down + it is an extremely boring layout. The old book form (the little squares) where better in both aspects (going from left to right, it was possible to see many more notebooks on the screen.)

My request is to allow users to choose for themselves if they want list or books (just add an icon next to "your list" => sort by => books (instead of only number of notes, etc., names etc.) , and why in addition (later, after this has been solved) do not also work on a version that allow users to add other distinguishing features, depending on their own preferences (shapes, colors,)

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Has anyone known of these forums actually promoting a positive response from Evernote, or any response for that matter? Or is this platform a way of Evernote fobbing off its paying customers off, due to its lack of actual support?

6 pages of outraged customers and no response......Evernote doesn't give a flying F*@K about us.

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How do design changes become "lack of respect"
Does this also mean the other many design changes also "show lack of respect"

Lack of notification? We had to ask about the missing option to find out it was a design change

For example. Say you are driving a FORD Explorer and you take it in for a tuneup to Ford Service. When you get it back, FORD management decided to remove the gas peddle. They tell you that you now have to push your car and jump in and steer when it reached proper velocity. Oh " but I needed the gas peddle to make my car accelerate". "Well too bad Mr. Consumer - you now have to push your car" says FORD management. We decided you no longer need your accelerator. I would say that is pretty damn disrespectful to you as a customer. I don't want to be notified - what I want is to leave my ***** alone. You can add but never, NEVER, take stuff away that you've given. A major rule in keeping a customer happy. Or anyone for that matter.

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Same here, long time, dedicated, paying Evernote user and super disappinted about the new notebook view for all the reason people have described here in detail. Very unfortunate if something like this is done without "manners" (user testing, giving choices to go back, informing about this change ahead of time etc) Seems like trouble is ahead with this company. Have started to check out Zoho Notebook to use it in parallel for a while, as an exit strategy. I' so loayal to Evernote, it will break my little digital heart if I have to leave, but what can you do if the dark side takes over.

So far I've got 100+ notebooks in ZoHo. I'm crossing my fingers and toes that they will add functionality at a more rapid pace. There's a lot still missing with this software, like export, sorting (on the desktop version). I jump between the web, iOS and desktop versions depending on what I need to do. I'm just so addicted to the aesthetics of the software, I've foolishly dove in and I'm not looking back.

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I agree. The icon layout was MUCH easier to use. Why can't it be an option? We're paying good money for something I could probably just do in iCloud or Microsoft's cloud thing....so why give it LESS choices? That makes no sense.

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Please Evernote....I am begging. At least allow the option for Notebook card view for the Mac on OS. I, and evidently many other users, prefer a more expansive desktop experience on our DESKTOP. I would fiercely plead this for both iPad & Mac----but if not for iPad (which has rendered my iPad Pro useless for creating notes, which is an unspeakable shame, since I'd love to have the option to create mobile, on-the-go notes----is this not what the makes of Evernote endeavored to achieve!?) but then at least for the desktop version of the app. Please. Do not remove this option from me entirely.

I am begging. This has DRASTICALLY reduced my productivity.

This is not merely a change for developers to argue, "it's a change, they'll get over it." In this case, "getting over it" would equate to having to resign oneself to a permanently lesser, sub-par, inferior user experience that is less effective, less productive & less easily-maneuvered for some. Have you not considered that assuming a "one-size-fits-all" approach, will exclude many!? There are many that have different manners of learning, understanding, & processing information visually--and to remove this feature is to be dismissive of that reality.

Please. Allow the user-experience of Evernote to be pleasant for all, and not something to be fumbled over, by those of us dismissed users, who unfortunately LOVE your app.

Please. The least you could do is allow us the "option."

I would be more than grateful to speak to someone at Evernote and offer a personal testimonial of my experience, as this issue is very important to me.

I offer my most sincere thanks for reading, and allowing me the opportunity to voice my complaints.

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Evernote price keeps going up but my satisfaction with it keeps going down. Maybe there are people out there that would like a user interface with nothing but a screen full of words-- no color, no icons, no lines, no boxes, just clean white space and words. I'm not one of them. I need icons, spatial organization, color, pictures. And, even though it might look hokey, I'll take ALL those good old skeuomorphic design elements back. The ones that have been swept away by, apparently, all the powers that be at Evernote, Apple, etc.

Please add me to the list of people requesting just the OPTION of displaying notebooks in a grid like we used to be able to.

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Perfect timing, the suggestion of ZOHO. My Evernote paid subscription ends in a few days and I'll be moving on. Any major layout change without notification/warning/option to change COMBINED WITH zero response to customer queries about future options to return to the old layout = not worth getting my $$.

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Perfect timing, the suggestion of ZOHO. My Evernote paid subscription ends in a few days and I'll be moving on. Any major layout change without notification/warning/option to change COMBINED WITH zero response to customer queries about future options to return to the old layout = not worth getting my $$.

Agreed. Honestly the lack of response from customer support over this change is appalling. What's the point of a "feedback" forum if no one from the development team responds?

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If I have to beg a software company to reinstate a feature that is critical to the user interface. And if the management of the software company is so utterly clueless that they remove critical aspects to the user interface. Then, folks, it is time to move on. That's exactly what I did and I'm not looking back. I switched to ZoHo Notebook after reviewing a few different software packages. I do not reward stupidity with loyalty. And over the years there have been several stupid changes to Evernote and quite frankly a clear and shameless disrespect to the user base. So to quote another dummy, "Fool me once shame on you - fool me twice, can't get fooled again". But that's another story. Good luck everyone!

Thanks for suggesting ZoHo - sounds like a great product. Maybe we need EverNote's arrogance to motivate us to move to another (better) product. And we save $50 yearly fee. AND we can import from Evernote! Bye Evernote Hello ZoHo!

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I am complete agree it is really a bad move from Evernote staff to remove gridview, it make no sense.
Where can I see the reaction from the staff, maybe they can explain why they have moved this feature away, maybe it is just a fault.

Please give us the freedom back, so we can make our own choice.

This first time in my life writing to this kind of forums, but it is such a shame to spoil a good APP just like that.

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Hello, I am wondering what happened to the page where I can view my notebooks in a HORIZONTAL view? That was the BEST feature of Evernote and why I chose it over OneNote. I am an ADHD Coach and work with ADHD college clients and young adults. My clients and I rely on VISUAL organization (NOT TAGS)...which includes a Left-to-Right view AND/OR color differences. I do wish you had color capabilities with Notebooks BUT at a minimum PLEASE BRING BACK THE LEFT TO RIGHT FORMAT. In addition, it seems harder to move notebooks around to different stacks. Can you please bring that back as well? I really do NOT want to change back to One Note.

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I can't believe this is even a thing - that the best notebook view isn't available anymore. I absolutely can't stand scrolling through my notes.

All I want is the grid view of my notebooks again. Just add the capability back as an option, that's all.

Thanks!

Yeah - I mean it's surreal. WTF were they thinking? Well, I've moved on, I can't be around stupidity and the decision makers at Evernote are making really stupid choices and they don't seem to have any respect for the user. I had a fit a few years back when they took away the 3d notebook covers but gritted my teeth and dealt with it - but this is beyond that. I switched to ZoHo notebook but I just heard about another app called Milanote that I also want to check out. There are many options at this point and Evernote has jumped the shark. Sadly.

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Thanks for that-- your comment inspired me to look into OneNote. This article is pretty convincing, even though the author chose to stay with Evernote for the time being. OneNote appears to offer all the key functionality of EN with the added very cool feature of converting handwriting to text. And yes, customizable grid notebooks.

The only real drawback I see is a problem with importing from EN, but It might be worth some extra work to get away from a platform that just pissing me off at this point.

I just imported everything into ZoHo Notebook and it worked well enough. Plus I get to design my own notebook covers in photoshop and apply them to each notebook. It's still a young app and lacks several things but they are just starting out. I'm going to give them a shot. Good luck!

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I just imported everything into ZoHo Notebook and it worked well enough. Plus I get to design my own notebook covers in photoshop and apply them to each notebook. It's still a young app and lacks several things but they are just starting out. I'm going to give them a shot. Good luck!

Were you able to do a multi-note import? I couldn't find a way to import more than one note at a time (though I didn't spend a lot of time investigating). Thanks again!

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It's very easy to export your notes from Evernote on the Win/Mac platforms. I don't see an export option in Zoho Notebook which may be a problem in the future if you want to switch products

On a Mac, select the notes in Evernote, then file > export; use the html format

In Zoho Notebook, use File > Import

3 hours ago, DTLow said:

It's very easy to export your notes from Evernote on the Win/Mac platforms. I don't see an export option in Zoho Notebook which may be a problem in the future if you want to switch products

On a Mac, select the notes in Evernote, then file > export; use the html format

In Zoho Notebook, use File > Import

That is a valid point. But like I said they are just starting out and I've been using them for about a month and so far so good for my needs. They do have an automated import that they sent me and the entire Evernote content was imported in one shot. I am concerned about the export - I'll need to find out about that.

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Were you able to do a multi-note import? I couldn't find a way to import more than one note at a time (though I didn't spend a lot of time investigating). Thanks again!

Yes - they sent me a link that did it automatically. My entire contents of Evernote in one shot. It did wipe out the dates and times of when each evernote was saved. So you lose that - not sure if it matters. It didn't for me.

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Yes - they sent me a link that did it automatically. My entire contents of Evernote in one shot. It did wipe out the dates and times of when each evernote was saved. So you lose that - not sure if it matters. It didn't for me.

That's fantastic! Like you, I don't care about the date I saved the note. I just want to be able to work within a framework that doesn't make me angry every time I try to use it.

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That's fantastic! Like you, I don't care about the date I saved the note. I just want to be able to work within a framework that doesn't make me angry every time I try to use it.

Yeah - I love it. Still, needs a lot of work. Milanote looks good but it's $120/year. I do want to query NoHo about an important point that DTLow made. How do you export your materials. I don't want to invest a year into this thing and find I'm stuck on the platform without an exit strategy. In case they start charging high rate or decide to take Grid view away like our friends did here.

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believe it or not but because of this I have now finally moved to Onenote. Was about to become a paying Evernote user. Onenote is not perfect either but I can always tell myself that I am at least not paying for something that I am not really happy with.

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Agree with the rest here. I couldn't believe that this actually was the only option after the upgrade and searched around to figure out how to change the setting. Evernote now is HARD to use, not efficient.

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I want to add a hearty "SECOND" to this motion! I came to this forum specifically to post this request and saw this post already addressed it. The new layout sucks and is driving me crazy. I already have a list view in my sidebar. Why in God's name would you force me to have the same exact layout in the main screen too? Bring back the boxes or tiles or whatever you call them! At the very least, give me the option of having it that way. In our modern world of advanced technology, there is no excuse for not at least giving me the option to see my notebooks the old way if I want to. That should be my choice. This new layout is a poor, poor idea by Evernote. Bring back the old view or give me the option to see it that way!

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I'm still in Evernote but I cancelled my subscription just because of this - trialing some other options.

I understand people have wishes for the software (we all do), but is really a subscription-cancelling level issue for you? I'm just curious because to me, while yes Evernote is imperfect, it is valuable service for me and I would not subscribe/cancel based on something like this. Are (were) you a paying customer? Legit curious why this is a dealbreaker.

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I understand people have wishes for the software (we all do), but is really a subscription-cancelling level issue for you? I'm just curious because to me, while yes Evernote is imperfect, it is valuable service for me and I would not subscribe/cancel based on something like this. Are (were) you a paying customer? Legit curious why this is a dealbreaker.

If you're asking about the loss of grid view then definitely YES! It shows a lack of respect toward the user

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I understand people have wishes for the software (we all do), but is really a subscription-cancelling level issue for you? I'm just curious because to me, while yes Evernote is imperfect, it is valuable service for me and I would not subscribe/cancel based on something like this. Are (were) you a paying customer? Legit curious why this is a dealbreaker.

I've previously had the experience with a software provider who refused to respond to user queries about whether or not they were planning to fix a product broken by an iOS update. This lack of communication shows me disrespect for users. I ended up feeling like a circus chump. This experience of what clearly is a major design change (based on the strength of response by the number of users taking time to write about this, which reflects my sense as well) with no communication to users about it before they downloaded the update, no communication about it since, makes me feel the company has the same customer service sensibility. This I don't respect. I didn't particularly need the paid benefits of Evernote, but will pay when a product is providing good service. I feel they betrayed that good service and thus I choose to quit paying for the subscription (which I did this month when it came due, and which I wouldn't have otherwise.)

I can obtain the app version I need from my backups. The application can also be obtained from Evernote. Each release has a post with a link to the application; for example the v6.13 release post is linked below

My installation process is

Completely remove Evernote; app, database, ... The app AppCleaner is recommended for this

Install the Evernote app and the database will be rebuilt from the servers. Warning: The rebuild does not include Local Notebooks or unsync'd notes

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I wonder who is behind the new layout, this is so bad, I'm now looking for an alternate solution. I'm not sure the reason behind not having the grid view.

I don't need any of the bells and whistles of Evernote. I'm a visual thinker so I've switched to ZoHo Notebook. Which is new and has yet to develop a lot of important and fundamental features that are painfully missing. But the visual aspect of it sold me so I've exported over to them. Crossing my fingers they will continue to refine it and add features. IE: Like export as an example. but I am done with Evernote for sure. Good luck.

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I've been living with this new layout thinking I was doing something wrong. Today I decided to dive in and correct this pain in the patootie view, and alas, found this thread. Count me in. The notebook list is terrible. Why would this have been changed? I use Evernote for school and the notebook list means I can't see everything I need to, and organizing is difficult. I am not at the point where I'm considering moving but that may change once the new semester starts. I'll then look into some of the other tools others have mentioned. But please, Evernote, bring back the tiled view.

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Please Evernote....I am begging. At least allow the option for Notebook card view for the Mac on OS. I, and evidently many other users, prefer a more expansive desktop experience on our DESKTOP. I would fiercely plead this for both iPad & Mac----but if not for iPad (which has rendered my iPad Pro useless for creating notes, which is an unspeakable shame, since I'd love to have the option to create mobile, on-the-go notes----is this not what the makes of Evernote endeavored to achieve!?) but then at least for the desktop version of the app. Please. Do not remove this option from me entirely.

I am begging. This has DRASTICALLY reduced my productivity.

This is not merely a change for developers to argue, "it's a change, they'll get over it." In this case, "getting over it" would equate to having to resign oneself to a permanently lesser, sub-par, inferior user experience that is less effective, less productive & less easily-maneuvered for some. Have you not considered that assuming a "one-size-fits-all" approach, will exclude many!? There are many that have different manners of learning, understanding, & processing information visually--and to remove this feature is to be dismissive of that reality.

Please. Allow the user-experience of Evernote to be pleasant for all, and not something to be fumbled over, by those of us dismissed users, who unfortunately LOVE your app.

Please. The least you could do is allow us the "option."

I would be more than grateful to speak to someone at Evernote and offer a personal testimonial of my experience, as this issue is very important to me.

I offer my most sincere thanks for reading, and allowing me the opportunity to voice my complaints.

Stop begging. They won't listen. Do yourself a favor and switch over to ZoHo Notebook or some other platform. You'll be glad you did. Look how beautiful ZoHo is (see screen capture attached)

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Yeah. I opened my Evernote today at the start of an important meeting and l looked like a chump. I was totally sideswiped. I'm not normally someone who hates on change for change sake but one of the reasons I was happy to take the plunge for a premium account is that the grid (mini notebook) layout is better for me as a spatial reasoning person.

The thing that I enjoyed most about this product was that whoever the original designers were seemed to really think like me. It was hyper-intuitive. This is really clunky and off putting. I LOVE the product. You are a major part of my personal life and my business. I guess this is why it feels like such a huge deal to me. Betrayal is a strong word....butima use it.

PLEASE PLEASE BRING BACK THE BOOK LAYOUT

How's this for Spatial reasoning (screen cap). That's ZoHo Notebook. Beautiful and you can create your own notebook covers.

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From what I can tell, Evernote just doesn't care what we think, they just make "genius" design changes based on the way "they like it".We are only numbers to them, since not enough people complain, "who cares"!

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Generally, this seems to be much prettier than Evernote, and I agree it's notebook icons are more beautiful than Evernote ever had (w could never use custom covers)

Beyond notebook covers, do you recommend ZoHo based on the other features delivered by Evernote.
I need more than beautiful notebook icons before I decide to switch.

I've been on their forums and communicating with them. They are determined to be the go-to replacement for Evernote. They are slowly but surely adding functionalities to all of their apps and software across the web, Mac platform, iOS and I believe PC. But the key thing is that they have Grid/Notebook view which trumps everything Evernote has, especially if you have dozens of notebooks that you can't see in Grid view. Evernote could have the greatest functionality - but if you can't navigate in grid view well then who cares?

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Please bring Notebook layout back! Just made some updates on my Mac and feel now so sorry to have this boring layout of notebook instead of my folders organised with photos as logo. PLease consider my request!

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Probably safe to assume by now that EN hasn't been persuaded to include a grid view as it moves along.

Turns out I've had OneNote all this time, having paid for the Office 365 suite. I've started to use it; not enough data to make a full judgment yet.

From what I've read online, the last hump is upgrading their web clipper so it has the functionality inherent in the EN version. Can't imagine that will be an issue forever.

But yes, for us right-brained folk, the visual will always be easier and more intuitive, so for me it's the better choice for now. It's too bad; I'm one of those folks who finds a good brand and stays with it, so migrating off EN is (perhaps illogically) sad for me.

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Probably safe to assume by now that EN hasn't been persuaded to include a grid view as it moves along.

Turns out I've had OneNote all this time, having paid for the Office 365 suite. I've started to use it; not enough data to make a full judgment yet.

From what I've read online, the last hump is upgrading their web clipper so it has the functionality inherent in the EN version. Can't imagine that will be an issue forever.

But yes, for us right-brained folk, the visual will always be easier and more intuitive, so for me it's the better choice for now. It's too bad; I'm one of those folks who finds a good brand and stays with it, so migrating off EN is (perhaps illogically) sad for me.

Some time ago, I made the decision to abandon the Evernote product due to the grid change and lack of Evernote response. I moved to Onenote, and was quite happy until I realized that there is no offline access to the information if you are on a Mac. It appears this has been a significant user complaint for a couple of years. While the migration from Evernote to OneNote was pretty simple, the lack of offline access was a non starter. As such, I've now taken the recommendation from a few folks on this blog and installed Zoho. Thus far, I am very impressed. The migration was turn-key, the notebook view is fantastic and overall User Interface is very good. I've been on it for about 2 weeks. I'll post back here if there are any major concerns. I will tell you that unlike Evernote and Onenote, Zoho does not have a Windows client. Notes can be accessed via a browser on Windows clients and as such, I'm good for now.

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I've now taken the recommendation from a few folks on this blog and installed Zoho. Thus far, I am very impressed. The migration was turn-key, the notebook view is fantastic and overall User Interface is very good. I've been on it for about 2 weeks.

In part because of this comment, GPB, I decided to check out Notebook before I got too settled in to OneNote. WOW. Exactly what I was looking for. What a thing of beauty, in so many senses.

I'm keeping my collaborative work stuff on Evernote, and moving all my personal/family stuff over to Notebook. By reducing the number of notebooks on EN to the bare minimum, I can live with the non-grid view. Besides, I don't want to force our team to another system, at least for now.

But for anyone who works more in visual spaces and is more at home in an intuitive mode, Notebook is a home run. Again: WOW.

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This change really sucks for visual thinkers who see things in 2 or 3 dimensions! The old Notebook icon layout allowed me to find things by their location and not necessarily by the title. It gave me a quick visual overview of all my notebooks in just a few scrolls. Now, I am forced to think of the title first in order to find it. I then have to scroll endlessly (which is terribly distracting when you have something on your mind that you want to get down). Most times I have to scroll back up since I missed what I was looking for. The old Notebook icon was more efficient since it's layout was not only up and down but also left to right. This shortens considerably the time it takes to find a Notebook.

Now I have to rethink the titles of some notebooks in order to better organize some frequently used Notebooks to the TOP (the TOP now being significantly less!). I had to get use to this change on the iPad (which I hated and still do) but my use of the iPad is different since I use it to find notes more than compose notes, therefore, the distraction of endless scrolling was less of an issue. I use Evernote on my Mac to compose notes where I am thinking, researching and problem solving. The scrolling on the Mac version becomes a detriment to fluid thinking. This change has really affected how I "see" my Notebooks and most likely it will affect my productivity immensely.

Like White said above, let your users choose!!!

I agree fully. Great observation

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It's pretty radical that an application that started, and gained its popularity and growth, as visual-first would suddenly change. I'm a Premium subscription owner and have been on Evernote since 2008. This is incredibly disappointing. I get that tough choices need to be made to move things ahead (all Apple users/buyers grapple with this!) and I strive to greet updates and changes with a pretty relaxed attitude. But the visual-first organization of the UX is a fundamental part of why certain people would choose Evernote in the first place. My husband and I both are Premium members and I'm going to start looking for an alternative to Evernote. It's a huge pain in the butt - especially with 10 years of material filed away into Evernote - but it doesn't make sense to keep paying so much for a flawed design that isn't working well for us anymore.

Also - it's a great reminder to be cautious about recommending paid apps to friends or family. I've relentlessly talked people into purchasing Evernote. I feel silly now.

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It's pretty radical that an application that started, and gained its popularity and growth, as visual-first would suddenly change. ....

Also - it's a great reminder to be cautious about recommending paid apps to friends or family. I've relentlessly talked people into purchasing Evernote. I feel silly now.

These things, yes. I can adapt to changes. I am infinitely less likely to accept being disregarded and disrespected, and that's how this (non-communicative) process has made me feel. The problem is that most decision-makers who act in disrespectful ways aren't able to learn from feedback such as this.

I, too, feel badly for having recommended Evernote to people.

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It's pretty radical that an application that started, and gained its popularity and growth, as visual-first would suddenly change. I'm a Premium subscription owner and have been on Evernote since 2008. This is incredibly disappointing. I get that tough choices need to be made to move things ahead (all Apple users/buyers grapple with this!) and I strive to greet updates and changes with a pretty relaxed attitude. But the visual-first organization of the UX is a fundamental part of why certain people would choose Evernote in the first place. My husband and I both are Premium members and I'm going to start looking for an alternative to Evernote. It's a huge pain in the butt - especially with 10 years of material filed away into Evernote - but it doesn't make sense to keep paying so much for a flawed design that isn't working well for us anymore.

Also - it's a great reminder to be cautious about recommending paid apps to friends or family. I've relentlessly talked people into purchasing Evernote. I feel silly now.

I too was "all about" Evernote. I convinced my wife to use it and basically was a big fan of Evernote, once I fully understood what the potential was. I too was a premium member. It pained me when they went to Flat Design and lost the cool notebook feel - but I soldiered on and kept using it building my research/resource notebooks for both personal and business usage.

But when they pulled this last trick it was beyond anything I could get over. But the utter disrespect to the user base was what really irked me. I tried a few products including Bear, MS OneNote, and Google Notebook. But none of them had that special something. That is until I ran across ZoHo Notebook by accident. It's not as mature as Evernote and is missing some functionality, but it's a young product and growing. They are very responsive on the ZoHo Forum and they are determined to be the Evernote replacement at some point. But what sold me, being a visual thinker, is the beauty of the product.

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Notebook really is lovely! I feel like I'm working on the proper side of my brain again. ?

I'm still paying for Evernote because my team is established here. As soon as Notebook has more or less caught up with EN, we'll all move over there.

The lack of response really is sad, but you can't make a company what it's not. I vote with my dollars - always have, always will.

I agree. I go back and forth and just hope, hope, hope that the team at Evernote are listening! They need to up their game make this a more user-friendly, color coded, vertical and horizontal platform (like it used to be). Why is that so difficult? They did it before and stopped using their own fabulous functions. Oh well. Back to OneNote.

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I agree! The icon view for notebooks works much, much better for me! Please bring this option back!

iaDave - Don't hold your breath on that request. Chances are that will never happen. Many of us have moved on to OneNote, Bear or my favorite so far, ZoHo Notebook. Evernote is a "has been" piece of software and in my humble opinion, much better apps are on the market to replace Evernote. Good luck!

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Agreed. You need to provide options when you change something so significant as a major layout feature. Let us choose between LIST and ICON views, same as any other OS layout. Thanks! Hope you guys will take note of all this feedback for future versions.

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Same with myself, I have kept five years of Fine Art degree notes in Evernote, was about to demonstrate it to undergraduate students where I work as an option for their portfolios and am left with the list view. Suited to business apps perhaps but not the visual community who have used Evernote for THAT REASON. Have been looking at Bear as an option. If you could make the changes to keep the Thumbnail views that would be preferred, but otherwise ... paaaah. https://bear.app/faq/Import &amp; export/Migrate from Evernote/