On February 04 2016 10:06 GreYMisT wrote:Oh also, I would like player input on the following mechanics in the game

I think some type of mechanic to discourage mass claims during the picking phase would make the games a bit more interesting. With a pyp setup like this one, I think it is essentially always in town's best interest to organize the draft with specific picks like the plan Palmar provided. If the decision wasn't as clear cut with something like a factional Ezio (and nerfing mafia in some other way in exchange), the game might play out closer to a typical themed game.

Yea I probably needed more roles that punished that play. The issue was that is town's main avantage in a game like this, and I didnt want to entriely want to take that away. In addition I needed to find a way to punish roleclaims without actually adding in more KP, which this game had plenty of.

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On January 20 2016 14:58 geript wrote:FWIW, I don't like Rels. For having so many townreads, he's kinda wasting his time one random peripheral shit and doing nothing at all. Like I feel like I should have an idea of who he's looking at or interested in; in the least I think he should be trying to town circle a bit more and he's just kinda blah.

GG to everyone. Thanks GM and HTS, this game was awesome.Everybody played super well, it was a super fun game. Of course I'm kinda mad 'cause a lot of decisions could have won the game for us (me picking alchemsit to kill Palmar D1, me not switcing the kill to Koshi so Koshi dies D1, Damdred not protecting superbia N2, us killing superbia N3 instead of Koshi ...).BUT both red team and town deserved to win as well, and it's quite rare. Fucking WP everyone.

On January 20 2016 14:58 geript wrote:FWIW, I don't like Rels. For having so many townreads, he's kinda wasting his time one random peripheral shit and doing nothing at all. Like I feel like I should have an idea of who he's looking at or interested in; in the least I think he should be trying to town circle a bit more and he's just kinda blah.

Exactly why i read Rels mafia early on in the game btw.

Can't wait to roll scum again against you so you carry me to victory. (=

Slim chance Super shoots me instead (if he does he is 100% scum, like forcing town to consider using a lynch on Cake one more day is such a mafia move it's not even funny) but I'm fairly sure Shining dies due to my Ban on him.

After Cake I think Palmar and Suber as most likely to be scum. Maybe I'm way off on TS and SL, but I don't think so. Between them Palmar has done a ton of work in catching scum, it's really unlikely that he is scum and if he is he's played this very well.

Basically this leaves me looking at Super.

I took another look at his filter from D1 onward, wanted to be a bit more thorough and also look for possible associations.

I think there is a strong chance Super was with FF. FF was one of the few people I actually fins Super talking about having a strong TR on, but it feels pretty flimsy. He flipped as soon as the check was reveled but he also tried to start shenannies EoD onto me. Really odd move given how the day had been, also it's odd how sure Super has been on me being scum all game but has never given any reasoning to push it.

For reference I put all the posts related to FF I could find together, sorry if they are jumbled. Nothing really stands out, but together it looks far more like Super is coaxing FF to post and play then gives him an unexplained townread.

On January 22 2016 02:29 Superbia wrote:Yeah FF got moriarty confirmed then. But I already had a decent townread on him so meh.

Then after seeing the Redcheck

On January 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote:Super tired. FF actually being mafia is the most messed up thing. Godread = no more.

Probably the biggest thing here is Super's EoD reactions before FF and Kita flip, it makes very little sense why he is suddenly wanting to shenannigan onto me. Unless of course it was a last ditch move to try and save FF. From a town perspective it makes no sense, you've either decided to trust and lynch the redcheck at that point, or you've explained why FF is town or Kita is scum (or both). Super did none of those things, he accepted the redcheck (just said "oops, guess my read on FF was bad") and doesn't bring doubts up till EoD.

I'm also noticing that Super was really focused on people not claiming D1 and in general had really been focused on mechanics and roles. So it's really wierd that I'm not finding any mention of Onegu in his filter. No reaction to Onegu's late claim/role. He shot VA for having an Anti-town role but then N2 Super tries to shoot me over Onegu for reasons? Why did he care so much about VA's role being anti town, but give literally no shits that Onegu took his role and wasted Alot's role by not claiming.

This is the only post I found where Super talks about Onegu's alignment.

I also pointed out earlier how uninterested Super seemed when the lynch was Onegu vs SL, he jumped right into talking about night actions but nothing about lynches besides some stuff that suggests he preferred not to lynch Onegu. Which looks really off given he never gave a read on Onegu or really talked about him after asking him to claim D1.

On January 28 2016 09:24 Superbia wrote:God damnit. We should've had onegu kill off disformation with his ability and then lynched onegu. We could've forced keir to house diagnostics rels with only KP being able to interfere.

On January 28 2016 09:07 Superbia wrote:Nah man. Use the resources you have. :D I have caught 100% mafia the same way.

I'm pretty sure from kita's filter alone that Vivax was likely with FF (opposite of Kita). Also leaning towards GB being a hit and on Kita's team.

The bit about GB is really wierd, how is there any indication as to who's team GB was on?

I think this is actually a slip. The only reason why Super could have any inclination about GB being on one team over the other is if Super is in fact mafia with FF and Vivax (and Onegu), it makes sense given the stuff I noticed between Super and FF as well.

Biggest thing is that don't give anyone a pass for no reason from now on. If I die tonight, please don't ignore this post, so far my reads have been pretty on point.

If I live then pick this argument apart, tell me why Super is town. If you think I'm scum tell me why.