Donq; Donq;*The dead cant repay to the dead anyway.>
Howdy Bader
I really like what you say.*

Why an elimination of justice would improve the world. ?

*Sometimes the smartest thing to do is stand still, and blend for your life. These animals blend in so well with their backgrounds they are safer if they freeze in the presence of danger. Meanwhile, on the top of the food web, predators are camouflaged, too, sneaking up on unsuspecting prey who don't see them until it's too late. *

*Sometimes the smartest thing to do is stand still, and blend for your life. These animals blend in so well with their backgrounds they are safer if they freeze in the presence of danger. Meanwhile, on the top of the food web, predators are camouflaged, too, sneaking up on unsuspecting prey who don't see them until it's too late. *

Actually they blend in quite well. They can live in caves or even be your next door neighbor. Smaller predator must have better camouflage than Big Predator. Sometimes too smaller predators are both predators and prey. Big Predator though has the Snake doing propaganda for him, so as not to appear a predator.

Little Animals meanwhile are tired of living in fear and poverty. They don't realize though STRENGTH IS IN NUMBERS. They stick to indifference as a tool for individual survival, ignoring they are doomed as species by the same indifference. Or perhaps they only remain indifferent because they only see a fight between predators. That's where we kick in: WE OFFER NO PREDATOR.

<Wars almost never end the way starters had in mind.
by Malcolm Forbes.>

<<<"Unfortunately, the [state's] Public School Construction Program, and the city, they only have a certain amount of revenue to distribute," said Carlton Epps, the school system's chief operating officer. "And they have certain priorities.">>>

HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY

One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite words...

<<<Leaky roofs. Crumbling ceilings. Bathrooms with no stall doors. Windows that have turned a murky gray. Front doors that don't close or won't lock. Lead in the water.>>>

<<<"Children in Baltimore City are suffering in hot buildings with windows they can't see out of, [and] with mold aggravating their asthma," ACLU education director Bebe Verdery said. "The state has documented this and, as of now, chosen to do essentially nothing about it.">>>

At quiet time last week, in the middle of reading Goblins Don't Play Video Games, third-grader Demetria Pinnick had to stop to pull on her pink Barbie jacket.

"It's coooold," the 9-year-old whined softly, her tiny voice barely audible above the whoosh of frigid air blasting from the ceiling vent above her desk.

Even while Demetria and her William Paca Elementary School classmates had to don sweaters or pull their arms penguinlike through their uniform shirts to get warm, their teacher, Whitney Madura - eight months pregnant and counting - was thrilled. The sweltering week before, with the air conditioning on the fritz, temperatures hit close to 90 degrees inside the 28-year-old building, shutting down the East Baltimore school for three days.

Oppressive heat in city schools has become common.

In the past two weeks, students in dozens of buildings had to be sent home early at least one day because of heat problems. Highlandtown Elementary School 215 was closed most of last week because indoor temperatures were 95 degrees or higher, teachers said.

School facilities officials were working furiously this week to fix air-conditioning failures across the system, but found themselves stymied by a discouragingly persistent problem.

With 184 school buildings, many of them 40 years old or older, there are too many repairs, and not enough time, staff - or money - to get to all.

"Sending our children into the schools in some instances is like sending them out into the middle of traffic with a 10-wheeler bearing down on them," said Jacquiline Johnson, who has two grandsons at crowded Rognel Heights Elementary/Middle School in West Baltimore. "We put them in danger."

And this year, because of big-ticket capital projects elsewhere, the city system can't count on any more money from the state than it got last year.

"Unfortunately, the [state's] Public School Construction Program, and the city, they only have a certain amount of revenue to distribute," said Carlton Epps, the school system's chief operating officer. "And they have certain priorities."

Air-conditioning issues are high on Epps' priority list, but there are innumerable problems for the system's third-in-command to worry about. The deplorable state of city school facilities is the stuff of legend.

Leaky roofs. Crumbling ceilings. Bathrooms with no stall doors. Windows that have turned a murky gray. Front doors that don't close or won't lock. Lead in the water.

Lake Clifton-Eastern High School is sinking. Mold is growing at Samuel Coleridge Taylor Elementary.

The local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has found the condition of city schools so "shocking" that it is prepared, if necessary, to file a lawsuit - a tactic that has proven successful elsewhere.

"Children in Baltimore City are suffering in hot buildings with windows they can't see out of, [and] with mold aggravating their asthma," ACLU education director Bebe Verdery said. "The state has documented this and, as of now, chosen to do essentially nothing about it."

Donq; *Little Animals meanwhile are tired of living in fear and poverty. They don't realize though STRENGTH IS IN NUMBERS. They stick to indifference as a tool for individual survival, ignoring they are doomed as species by the same indifference. *

---I looked for great men, but all I found were the apes of their ideals; --- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

I would argue that some kind of Sexual Revolution is indeed needed. If we are to change, we need to reconsider our values, which are the roots of our actions.

"We need, too, a more erotic spirituality. To our impoverishment, much of the heterosexual, white, male tradition has banished eros from Christian theology and spirituality. We have been prisoners of an agape reductionism, of theologies that have vilified or devalued the erotic, often confusing it with the pornographic. We have been prisoners of theologies in which hunger. desire, passion and yearning have been relegated to the pagan world. Dante found eros in the kind of love that moves the sun and the other stars. Perhaps we, too, will come to see eros as intrinsic to God-s energy, God-s own passion for connection, and hence also as part of our yearning for life-giving communion and relationships of justice."

"Many Christians still learn to fear, despise, trivialize and be ashamed of their bodies. If we do not know the gospel in our bodies, we may not know the gospel. When we find bodily life an embarrassment to so-called high-minded spiritualized religion, we lose our capacity for passionate caring and justice. We lose the sense of the holiness of the bodies of starving children and the bodies of women and men torn by violence and torture."

"The feminist movement has pointed to the buried connections between militarism, urban violence, racism, economic exploitation and ecological abuse on the one hand, and sexual distortions on the other. The infant movement of a new men-s consciousness holds enormous promise for addressing the distorted masculinism that contributes so much violence and peril to our fragile planet."

Needed: A Continuing Sexual Revolution

by James B. Nelson

Dr. Nelson is professor of Christian ethics at United Theological Seminary of the Twin Cities, New Brighton, Minnesota.

(snip)

At various points the Bible endorses sexual attitudes and practices most of us would now reject: women are regarded as the property of men; menstrual blood and semen are unclean"; intercourse during menstruation is proscribed; and polygamy, levirate marriage, concubinage and prostitution are accepted. On these matters some would argue that the cultic laws of the Old Testament are no longer binding, and they must be distinguished from its moral commandments. But such arguments fail to recognize that Scripture treats most of the sexual mores mentioned above as moral, not cultic, issues.

Those who argue that since Christ is the end of the law, the Old Testament law is irrelevant must, if consistent, deal with the New Testament pronouncements about sexual issues, including Paul-s various declarations. Even on such a major issue as sexual intercourse between unmarried consenting adults, neither the Old or New Testament contains an explicit prohibition (which John Calvin discovered to his consternation). Indeed, the Song of Solomon celebrates one such relationship. Our best biblical scholarship reaches Walter Wink-s conclusion: "There is no biblical sex ethic. The Bible knows only a love ethic, which is constantly being brought to bear on whatever sexual mores are dominant in any given country, or culture, or period" ("Biblical Perspectives on Homosexuality," The Christian Century, November 7, 1979)

Nor does the postbiblical Christian tradition provide unambiguous guidance. Selective use of tradition is almost as common as selective use of Scripture. Most of us would fully agree with the tradition-s endorsement of monogamy and fidelity as consonant with the gospel. Many of us would endorse the movement toward affirming love as the governing sexual norm. Some of us would celebrate those parts of the tradition that not only tolerate but actually affirm gay and lesbian Christians, including clergy. But few of us would endorse those elements of tradition that baptize patriarchal oppression, endorse violence against women, oppress lesbians and gays, exalt perpetual virginity as the superior state, or declare that heterosexual rape is a lesser sin than masturbation (on the view that the latter act contradicts nature while the former act, while also sinful, is in accordance with nature) The postbiblical tradition, like Scripture itself, does not provide one coherent, consistent sexual ethic. We are left, whether we like it or not, with unfinished business. This leads directly to the next theme.

(4) We must continue to work on developing our sexual theology. A viable Christian sexual theology for our time will affirm that sexuality is always much more than genital expression. Sexuality expresses the mystery of our creation as beings who need to reach out for the physical and spiritual embraces of others. It expresses God-s intention that we find our authentic humanness not in isolation but in relationship.

Under such a theology, sexuality will be understood as intrinsic to the divine-human connection, as one of the great arenas for celebrating the Source of Life. Sexuality will enter directly and consciously into our understandings of every major Christian doctrine -- God, human nature, sin, salvation, church, history and eschatology. Our sexuality will be understood as expressing our created destiny for freedom, creativity, joy and shalom (Livezey) It will embrace appropriate vulnerability (Lebacqz) Sexual ethics will affirm only those sexual expressions that are respectful and nonexploitative (Pellauer) , and which treat persons nonstereotypically and with a fundamental commitment to equality (Longwood) Such ethics will evaluate sexual acts and expressions in terms of how they contribute to social justice and the fulfillment of all in community (Moore)

We need, too, a more erotic spirituality. To our impoverishment, much of the heterosexual, white, male tradition has banished eros from Christian theology and spirituality. We have been prisoners of an agape reductionism, of theologies that have vilified or devalued the erotic, often confusing it with the pornographic. We have been prisoners of theologies in which hunger. desire, passion and yearning have been relegated to the pagan world. Dante found eros in the kind of love that moves the sun and the other stars. Perhaps we, too, will come to see eros as intrinsic to God-s energy, God-s own passion for connection, and hence also as part of our yearning for life-giving communion and relationships of justice.

When we move in this direction, we shall embrace a more incarnational theology. The church has much to learn here from lesbians and gays, for when they affirm themselves in the face of social oppression they affirm the basic goodness of human sexuality and of our embodiedness. Many Christians still learn to fear, despise, trivialize and be ashamed of their bodies. If we do not know the gospel in our bodies, we may not know the gospel. When we find bodily life an embarrassment to so-called high-minded spiritualized religion, we lose our capacity for passionate caring and justice. We lose the sense of the holiness of the bodies of starving children and the bodies of women and men torn by violence and torture. Instead of confining the incarnation to one person 2,000 years ago, forgetting Jesus- message of the indwelling God as the reality and destiny of all people, we might embrace the scandal of incarnation more radically.

(5) We need a continuing sexual revolution. As I attempted to argue at the beginning of the series, the sexual revolution is not over. In a deeper sense it has just begun. Beyond our need for a more adequate sexual theology and ethics, numerous specific issues cry out for reassessment, change, revolution. The authors of this series have probed a number of them, to our great benefit; let me suggest a few others.

(snip)

The sexual revolution of the 1960s convinced some of the dubious notion that making love would prevent man war. That bumper sticker dictum did, however, contain the hint of a more authentic reality: our major social ills do, in fact, have profound links to the sexual dualisms that split spirit from body and establish patriarchy. The feminist movement has pointed to the buried connections between militarism, urban violence, racism, economic exploitation and ecological abuse on the one hand, and sexual distortions on the other. The infant movement of a new men-s consciousness holds enormous promise for addressing the distorted masculinism that contributes so much violence and peril to our fragile planet.

A continuing sexual revolution is urgently needed. That patriarchies, a fear of sexuality and a desire to control others continue to exist throughout the church is reason enough for a sexual revolution. Positively put, the reason is in the gospel: the Word made flesh, and the Word still becoming flesh (Christ is risen!)

Robert McAfee Brown recently noted Martin Buber- s response to S-ren Kierkegaard-s broken engagement (Spirituality and Liberation (Westminster, 19881, p. 104 f.) After years of courting Regina, the Danish theologian decided that this human love would distract him from the "higher" love of God, so he abandoned her. Buber commented that this was "a sublime misunderstanding of God." Creation, far from being a hurdle on the road to God, is that very road. God draws us to the divine self by means of loved ones, not by renunciation of them. Buber-s remark should remind Christians of their call to a deeply incarnational spirituality. God, working through another earthy Jew 2,000 years ago, tried to impress that call on us. And is still trying. The revolution is not yet over.

Thanks Woj for the appology, it didnt make sense, I suspected it was a mistake. After all I have stuck up for the Iraqis and
critercised the US and Britain and UN, so if I was racist it was in regards the predominantly anglo-saxons of whom I also am in part.

McCain is a good example of the camoflaged presidential candidates, that fit any cage in any political zoo. Bush in many ways had been more democratic than republican. Since it doesnt matter which party gets in they might as well look like a hybrid.

Hussein the little lion: he had to go DonQ,
He failed to teach the Iranians a lesson of revolting against the zionists, and he failed. Being anti-Israel meant that he was the next in line anyway because his oil reserves meant fianancial power plus the investment in health and education meant that Iraq would become a strong nation in the middle east. Such desires are anti-semetic because Israel must be dominant.

The violent monkeys make the lions look good and thus the little animals need the lion to protect them. Kissy kissy.
The violent monkeys get the small purse as their reward. The bigger purse is the lions unless they have a death wish.

American democricy is comical until one thinks about the zionistic aftermath of its extension eg Iraq. Nothing comical about
holocausts.

Equality: there is direct equality like everyone is entitled to be taxed, be arrested if they commit a crime, be protected by the state from the cradle to the grave etc;
and then there is the indirect equality like everyone is entitled to have a choice or go to uni if they prove they have the brains.

Amnesty International should have listed the crimes of the UN as well instead of lauding them as the guarentor of human rights on a global level. Who lives on a global level?
The UN will not do anything about Juglsalvia or Iraq. Both far worse, a 1000 times worse than the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait.
There are heaps of UN resolutions against Israel. They do nothing. The UN is camoflaged as a rescue team.
The US is also camoflaged as a victim, like Israel, while it acts as a
predator.

"Wars almost never end the way the starters had in mind."
He is talking about the puppets not the puppeteers.
Like saying the bankers always loose money on wars.

<Hussein the little lion: he had to go DonQ,
He failed to teach the Iranians a lesson of revolting against the zionists, and he failed. Being anti-Israel meant that he was the next in line anyway because his oil reserves meant fianancial power plus the investment in health and education meant that Iraq would become a strong nation in the middle east. Such desires are anti-semetic because Israel must be dominant.>

Howdy Bader
I follow your logic. But is Saudi Arabia the exception? I don't know but America's only loyalty may be to Gold, I mean God.

<The violent monkeys make the lions look good and thus the little animals need the lion to protect them. Kissy kissy.
The violent monkeys get the small purse as their reward. The bigger purse is the lions unless they have a death wish.>

Exactly, so the lion plays the good guy. And the bad guys are allowed to get away with their evil things if they are real bad. But if the bad guys are better than the good guys, then the little animals may get confused and back the wrong party, I mean the bad guys...

<Amnesty International should have listed the crimes of the UN as well instead of lauding them as the guarentor of human rights on a global level. Who lives on a global level?
The UN will not do anything about Juglsalvia or Iraq. Both far worse, a 1000 times worse than the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait.
There are heaps of UN resolutions against Israel. They do nothing. The UN is camoflaged as a rescue team.
The US is also camoflaged as a victim, like Israel, while it acts as a
predator.>

UN is cover for predators. For example a lion may get away with preying on a young gazelle if he can prove it was in self-defense. Of course, the lion sharing his leftovers with the UN is pure coincidence...

"Wars almost never end the way the starters had in mind."

<He is talking about the puppets not the puppeteers.
Like saying the bankers always loose money on wars.>

I see your point. In Iraq's case the puppets pushed the lion into war with the little lion and now they are casualties too. What goes around...

James Nelson a theologian is talking to christians as though that is all there is to the world when infact they are a minority, the majority already in varing degrees accept and may oractice the revolution, so Nelso is saying indirectly that unless all christians
loose their choice th eworld is doomed and christians are to blame.

The current news spotlight has been on sexual abuse in Abu Ghaib which is not a christian response but a social response of
nations in general. Looks like society in general even though
not serious about religion has to liberated against their will.

Seems Nelso is trying to do what the US military have been doing to Muslims- using sex and forced exposure of their private parts and abuse of the same to humiliate them and their beliefs.

Here it is "when we find bodily life an embarrassment....We lose the ense of the holiness of the bodies of starving children and the bodies of women and men torn by violence and torture."

Firstly he bases his argument on dishonest steriotyping, then he suggests that if conservative christians become erotic, then the
starving bodies will not starve in vain etc. The guy is mad.

One of the common signs of a civilisation in collapse is playing ostrich burying ones head in decadence.

Anyone read James Mitcheners book The Sourse?
He brings to life various peoples and social practicers of ancient
times in the middle east. Common in those days were religious
practices based on sex and the worship of the sex organs and
scrificing children in fire- pure holy bodies undefiled sacrificed to gods.
Nothing new here folks, just one big cockup.

Bader; *Amnesty International should have listed the crimes of the UN as well instead of lauding them as the guarentor of human rights on a global level. Who lives on a global level?
The UN will not do anything about Juglsalvia or Iraq. Both far worse, a 1000 times worse than the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait.
There are heaps of UN resolutions against Israel. They do nothing. The UN is camoflaged as a rescue team.
The US is also camoflaged as a victim, like Israel, while it acts as a
predator.*

It is true , in case of US invasion on Bosnia UN supported militarly resolution against Bosnia. Supported the lion in his attack on lamb.

*Israel Arrests U.K. Journalist Who Wrote Vanunu Nuclear Story
May 27 (Bloomberg) -- Israel's Shin Bet security service arrested Peter Hounam, a British journalist who covered the case of Mordechai Vanunu, the man convicted of revealing Israel's nuclear weapons program, a government spokesman said.
Hounam, who interviewed Vanunu 20 years ago for the U.K.'s Sunday Times newspaper, was taken into custody yesterday, said Danny Seaman, director of the Israeli Government Press Office. Israel issued an order preventing any details of the Shin Bet's investigation from being released, he said.
``He's been detained for questioning,'' Seaman said in a telephone interview. ``There's a gag order so there's nothing more we can say.''
Hounam, 60, who is considered to be one of the closest people to Vanunu, was making a documentary for the British Broadcasting Corp., which said on its Web site it is ``very concerned'' about his detention. The BBC didn't give any information on the subject of the documentary.
Vanunu, 49, was convicted in 1986 for giving the Sunday Times details of Israel's work on nuclear arms. The material included photographs of the Dimona nuclear plant where he worked. He was released in April after 18 years in prison, 12 of them spent in solitary confinement. *

To contact the reporter on this story:
Jonathan Ferziger in Tel Aviv at jferziger@bloomberg.net

Has anybody heard UN calling for control Israel nuclear facility and for WMD?
The UN's world headquarters are in New York City.
UN and Kofi Annan have been awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace for help in creation the holocaust for the Serbs and Muslims.

<James Nelson a theologian is talking to christians as though that is all there is to the world when infact they are a minority, the majority already in varing degrees accept and may oractice the revolution, so Nelso is saying indirectly that unless all christians
loose their choice th eworld is doomed and christians are to blame.>

Howdy Bader
I'm not attacking here--by endorsing the article--the Puppet but the Puppeteer. It's funny, if it weren't tragic, that the Pope clamps down on, say, masturbation, while he turns a blind eye toward starving children in Africa or torture in Iraq and elsewhere. And all that go along with him are equally guilty of HYPOCRISY. And not until we accept our bodies are holy--just as much as Jesus'--there will be Peace.

And true, Christians are a minority in the word, but they are a DOMINATING MINORITY. So much so, that they are backed up by the mightiest armies in the world and actively export their cultural values. You don't see, say, an Indian film, but they do see Hollywood.:confused:

<The current news spotlight has been on sexual abuse in Abu Ghaib which is not a christian response but a social response of
nations in general. Looks like society in general even though
not serious about religion has to liberated against their will.>

We are not talking about liberating Muslims from sexual repression. We are talking about facing our own liberation, which then may or may not be emulated. That's the same approach we should take to exporting "democracy" elsewhere. First, apply it to ourselves, and then let other people decide if it fits them. Perhaps they need the lion, but that would be their problem.

<Seems Nelso is trying to do what the US military have been doing to Muslims- using sex and forced exposure of their private parts and abuse of the same to humiliate them and their beliefs.>

I doubt that these torturers are active in some nudist club. Most likely they would be church-going, God-fearing people, just like the rest of the soldiers. Chances are they don't see the body as holy. Nudists, on the other hand, would be more inclined to Make Love and Not War...

<<<Here it is "when we find bodily life an embarrassment....We lose the ense of the holiness of the bodies of starving children and the bodies of women and men torn by violence and torture.">>>

<Firstly he bases his argument on dishonest steriotyping, then he suggests that if conservative christians become erotic, then the
starving bodies will not starve in vain etc. The guy is mad.>

Christians will not become erotic; they ARE erotic. What he's talking about is facing one's own sexuality and the holiness of the body. It's not about becoming or endorsing sexual predators while we talk of Christ; it's about being HONEST.

<One of the common signs of a civilisation in collapse is playing ostrich burying ones head in decadence.>

That's indeed a sure sign...

HOW THE BIG PIGS RAN THEIR FILTHY PIGSTY

Once upon a time there was a race of pigs that were so systematically
destroying the environment that they became a threat to other species
as well as to themselves... One day the Big Pigs--having heard of the
art of politics--discovered that keeping the Pig Farm filthy was
economically convenient, but politically indefensible, and chose an
animal with beautiful feathers: the Ostrich...

And that was how the Pig Farm was run smoothly in the future by the
Ostrich: He posed for the Little Pigs, and they voted for the him. The
trait that most earned him the favor of the Big Pigs though was his
capacity to bury his head whenever anyone mentioned the mess
created...

Donq; Condom is a name of English doctor who during English Sexual revolution in English colonies in 18 centuries, to prevent mixing English with local population, invented contraceptive device intended to prevent the escape of semen into the vagina. So sorry , sexual revolution is nothing new , about 200 year old.

<Donq; Condom is a name of English doctor who during English Sexual revolution in English colonies in 18 centuries, to prevent mixing English with local population, invented contraceptive device intended to prevent the escape of semen into the vagina. So sorry , sexual revolution is nothing new , about 200 year old. >

Woj, Banana Republic is not new either, but we are tired of it. That's why we need Banana Revolution...

Christians are dishonest, erotic and the most likely to be the ones torturing the Muslims is what you have said/indicated.
Is that your honest view?

You argue that the jungle will stay a jungle, not because the Lion
rules but until we accept our bodies are holy. This is a big turn around.

The New Testament specifically states that we are to respect our bodies as being holy - the real temple (made without hands) for God to indwell. Its coals to Newcastle to point this at christians.
It might be a new concept in secular society which has largely shrugged off Christians values but it is two thousand years old within the Christian community.

Christians are not the dominating minority. The banks rule and
the Rothschilds arent christians. Rothschild means red shield
which is its link to the vatican and its colour, same as the
British emprire was always shown in red and the soviet union.
The Pope who you use as an example has a pagan title taken on
from the Roman Empire which he represents. You wont find
what characterises the Catholic church in the new testament.
You will find it in ancient babylon. This is the lion. You refer yourself to puppets and puppeteers.
Christians have been used as scapegoats before. The scarlet (red) woman riding the beast is in Revelations. The woman riding a bull is on the Euro coin. I expect that eventually the Torah, new testament and the Koran will be banned or edited to comply with the new world religion with its mother-god- nature, mother earth of ancient history within which this worshipping of the body relates.
The christian appreciation of the body and keeking it clean is also
in eastern religions and I would suggest that Gandhi practiced it.

" we dont see Indian films ..." What goes around the movies as on tv is pure market and nothing to do with religion. Japanese
graphic dvds based on marshal arts are very popular in western society youth.

"We are not talking about liberating Muslims.."
This means the argument for peace and saving starving children is not based on humanity having a better appreciation of their bodies but only christians. This is scapegoat prejudice. And the link is spurious to begin with, otherwise as I said everything we have been saying about the jungle etc is nonsense, unless
christianity is the lion. Now we are becoming masons- Satan is the christ, Jesus is the evil one appearing as an angle of light.

"We are talking about our liberation"
There is no "we" in Nelsons thinking, it is specifically and only christians. He wasnt talking about religions of the world or people of the world he was specific.
He steriotyped all christians as in need of getting past the FEAR. Both unfounded and untrue. The whole western society has become greatly liberalised including the christians. There may be
sects and cultic groups like Closed Brethren, maybe the Amish
are very old fashioned, but to steriotype the whole and say they
control the world and are responsible for the Jungle is rediculous.
Nero-speak.

In a revolution "let others decide" which I advocated also, is not an option. Revolution is a flood that sweeps all. The soviet Union was a classic case of addressing the great pitfalls of society which they claimed derived from religion, christianity in particular. They were going to leave the western world for dead!
In Aleksander Solzhenitsyn's last book which he could only get published in Russian ( an idication of who's number one and who isnt) he claims 66 million people were killed in this scourge of society- it was their own they left for dead!. So much for who has an appreciation of the human body
and a similar figure but larger is what was estimated as the victims of Catholic scourges of christians to control European religion in the past.

Its one thing to be honest about the body but where is the research that shows christains exclusively wont face their bodies and thus put a curse on the world. Being honest is one thing but getting real is another.
Within christian literature which most people wont look at, one can find the open honest apreciation of the human body soul and spirit which goes beyong the physical ife and its problems.
The secular material is more limited in fact because it cant recognise or appreciate that there is more to man. This is
precisely what Pliny referred to recently when talked of health
in ancient societies where the physical and spiritual were not seperated. The Humanistic philosophy of todays secular world
will remain dysfunctional until it faces a few things (fears) of its own.