SUNRPC problem with 2.6.26 and beyond - Kernel

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( http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/ldm ) that relays and processes
weather data through RPC calls, keeping a queue of data in a memory
mapped file. Up until 2.6.26 the system has run just fine ...

SUNRPC problem with 2.6.26 and beyond

I have a dual quad-core Xeon system running software
(http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/ldm) that relays and processes
weather data through RPC calls, keeping a queue of data in a memory
mapped file. Up until 2.6.26 the system has run just fine (for example
2.6.25.17). But starting with 2.6.26 through 2.6.27.2 the system runs
into a problem after approximately 24 hours. The symptom is that the
processing slows down to a crawl. Using "top" I can see that the System
time is up over 90%, with almost no User and Wait time. If I stop and
restart the software, most of the time it gets better - but sometimes it
takes a reboot to fix the problem. I have an identical system that does
just processing and ingesting data from remote systems, and it does not
have this problem. I have tried a number of different kernel
configurations, but they all show the same problem.

I suspect a problem with SUNRPC. I notice that there were a large
number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26. I am looking for suggestions on how
to pin down which patches are causing the problem. Are there ways to
figure where in the kernel the time is being spent? I am will to work
on isolating the problem, but I need some suggestions on the best way to
do it given the large number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26 and the fact
that each experiment takes a day.
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Re: SUNRPC problem with 2.6.26 and beyond - try again with response in correct place.

Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 08:35 -0700, Harry Edmon wrote:
>
>> I have a dual quad-core Xeon system running software
>> (http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/ldm) that relays and processes
>> weather data through RPC calls, keeping a queue of data in a memory
>> mapped file. Up until 2.6.26 the system has run just fine (for example
>> 2.6.25.17). But starting with 2.6.26 through 2.6.27.2 the system runs
>> into a problem after approximately 24 hours. The symptom is that the
>> processing slows down to a crawl. Using "top" I can see that the System
>> time is up over 90%, with almost no User and Wait time. If I stop and
>> restart the software, most of the time it gets better - but sometimes it
>> takes a reboot to fix the problem. I have an identical system that does
>> just processing and ingesting data from remote systems, and it does not
>> have this problem. I have tried a number of different kernel
>> configurations, but they all show the same problem.
>>
>> I suspect a problem with SUNRPC. I notice that there were a large
>> number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26. I am looking for suggestions on how
>> to pin down which patches are causing the problem. Are there ways to
>> figure where in the kernel the time is being spent? I am will to work
>> on isolating the problem, but I need some suggestions on the best way to
>> do it given the large number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26 and the fact
>> that each experiment takes a day.
>>
>
> The kernel sunrpc interface is not exported to user land: the glibc code
> uses its own, entirely separate implementation of sunrpc.
>
> I cannot therefore see, how your application's RPC calls can be affected
> by kernel sunrpc changes.
>
> Cheers
> Trond
>
>
Then how do you explain the the large system time used with 2.6.26 and
beyond? Is it some other patch I should be looking at?
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Re: SUNRPC problem with 2.6.26 and beyond

Then how do you explain the the large system time used with 2.6.26 and
beyond? Is it some other patch I should be looking at?

Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 08:35 -0700, Harry Edmon wrote:
>
>> I have a dual quad-core Xeon system running software
>> (http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/ldm) that relays and processes
>> weather data through RPC calls, keeping a queue of data in a memory
>> mapped file. Up until 2.6.26 the system has run just fine (for example
>> 2.6.25.17). But starting with 2.6.26 through 2.6.27.2 the system runs
>> into a problem after approximately 24 hours. The symptom is that the
>> processing slows down to a crawl. Using "top" I can see that the System
>> time is up over 90%, with almost no User and Wait time. If I stop and
>> restart the software, most of the time it gets better - but sometimes it
>> takes a reboot to fix the problem. I have an identical system that does
>> just processing and ingesting data from remote systems, and it does not
>> have this problem. I have tried a number of different kernel
>> configurations, but they all show the same problem.
>>
>> I suspect a problem with SUNRPC. I notice that there were a large
>> number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26. I am looking for suggestions on how
>> to pin down which patches are causing the problem. Are there ways to
>> figure where in the kernel the time is being spent? I am will to work
>> on isolating the problem, but I need some suggestions on the best way to
>> do it given the large number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26 and the fact
>> that each experiment takes a day.
>>
>
> The kernel sunrpc interface is not exported to user land: the glibc code
> uses its own, entirely separate implementation of sunrpc.
>
> I cannot therefore see, how your application's RPC calls can be affected
> by kernel sunrpc changes.
>
> Cheers
> Trond
>
>

Re: SUNRPC problem with 2.6.26 and beyond

On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 08:35 -0700, Harry Edmon wrote:
> I have a dual quad-core Xeon system running software
> (http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/ldm) that relays and processes
> weather data through RPC calls, keeping a queue of data in a memory
> mapped file. Up until 2.6.26 the system has run just fine (for example
> 2.6.25.17). But starting with 2.6.26 through 2.6.27.2 the system runs
> into a problem after approximately 24 hours. The symptom is that the
> processing slows down to a crawl. Using "top" I can see that the System
> time is up over 90%, with almost no User and Wait time. If I stop and
> restart the software, most of the time it gets better - but sometimes it
> takes a reboot to fix the problem. I have an identical system that does
> just processing and ingesting data from remote systems, and it does not
> have this problem. I have tried a number of different kernel
> configurations, but they all show the same problem.
>
> I suspect a problem with SUNRPC. I notice that there were a large
> number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26. I am looking for suggestions on how
> to pin down which patches are causing the problem. Are there ways to
> figure where in the kernel the time is being spent? I am will to work
> on isolating the problem, but I need some suggestions on the best way to
> do it given the large number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26 and the fact
> that each experiment takes a day.

The kernel sunrpc interface is not exported to user land: the glibc code
uses its own, entirely separate implementation of sunrpc.

I cannot therefore see, how your application's RPC calls can be affected
by kernel sunrpc changes.

Re: SUNRPC problem with 2.6.26 and beyond - try again with response in correct place.

On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 15:55 -0700, Harry Edmon wrote:
> Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 08:35 -0700, Harry Edmon wrote:
> >
> >> I have a dual quad-core Xeon system running software
> >> (http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/ldm) that relays and processes
> >> weather data through RPC calls, keeping a queue of data in a memory
> >> mapped file. Up until 2.6.26 the system has run just fine (for example
> >> 2.6.25.17). But starting with 2.6.26 through 2.6.27.2 the system runs
> >> into a problem after approximately 24 hours. The symptom is that the
> >> processing slows down to a crawl. Using "top" I can see that the System
> >> time is up over 90%, with almost no User and Wait time. If I stop and
> >> restart the software, most of the time it gets better - but sometimes it
> >> takes a reboot to fix the problem. I have an identical system that does
> >> just processing and ingesting data from remote systems, and it does not
> >> have this problem. I have tried a number of different kernel
> >> configurations, but they all show the same problem.
> >>
> >> I suspect a problem with SUNRPC. I notice that there were a large
> >> number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26. I am looking for suggestions on how
> >> to pin down which patches are causing the problem. Are there ways to
> >> figure where in the kernel the time is being spent? I am will to work
> >> on isolating the problem, but I need some suggestions on the best way to
> >> do it given the large number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26 and the fact
> >> that each experiment takes a day.
> >>
> >
> > The kernel sunrpc interface is not exported to user land: the glibc code
> > uses its own, entirely separate implementation of sunrpc.
> >
> > I cannot therefore see, how your application's RPC calls can be affected
> > by kernel sunrpc changes.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Trond
> >
> >
> Then how do you explain the the large system time used with 2.6.26 and
> beyond? Is it some other patch I should be looking at?

I'm not explaining it. I'm saying that nothing outside the kernel NFS
and NLM code uses the kernel sunrpc implementation. Your userland RPC
calls are using glibc's implementation of sunrpc. Those are unaffected
by patches to the kernel sunrpc layer.

If you are seeing a hang, then I suggest you start by using the strace
utility to figure out which system call is actually involved.

Re: SUNRPC problem with 2.6.26 and beyond - try again with response in correct place.

Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 15:55 -0700, Harry Edmon wrote:
>
>> Trond Myklebust wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 08:35 -0700, Harry Edmon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have a dual quad-core Xeon system running software
>>>> (http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/ldm) that relays and processes
>>>> weather data through RPC calls, keeping a queue of data in a memory
>>>> mapped file. Up until 2.6.26 the system has run just fine (for example
>>>> 2.6.25.17). But starting with 2.6.26 through 2.6.27.2 the system runs
>>>> into a problem after approximately 24 hours. The symptom is that the
>>>> processing slows down to a crawl. Using "top" I can see that the System
>>>> time is up over 90%, with almost no User and Wait time. If I stop and
>>>> restart the software, most of the time it gets better - but sometimes it
>>>> takes a reboot to fix the problem. I have an identical system that does
>>>> just processing and ingesting data from remote systems, and it does not
>>>> have this problem. I have tried a number of different kernel
>>>> configurations, but they all show the same problem.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect a problem with SUNRPC. I notice that there were a large
>>>> number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26. I am looking for suggestions on how
>>>> to pin down which patches are causing the problem. Are there ways to
>>>> figure where in the kernel the time is being spent? I am will to work
>>>> on isolating the problem, but I need some suggestions on the best way to
>>>> do it given the large number of SUNRPC patches in 2.6.26 and the fact
>>>> that each experiment takes a day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The kernel sunrpc interface is not exported to user land: the glibc code
>>> uses its own, entirely separate implementation of sunrpc.
>>>
>>> I cannot therefore see, how your application's RPC calls can be affected
>>> by kernel sunrpc changes.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Trond
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Then how do you explain the the large system time used with 2.6.26 and
>> beyond? Is it some other patch I should be looking at?
>>
>
> I'm not explaining it. I'm saying that nothing outside the kernel NFS
> and NLM code uses the kernel sunrpc implementation. Your userland RPC
> calls are using glibc's implementation of sunrpc. Those are unaffected
> by patches to the kernel sunrpc layer.
>
> If you are seeing a hang, then I suggest you start by using the strace
> utility to figure out which system call is actually involved.
>
> Cheers
> Trond
>
>
The problem is that it is not hanging. The processes are running
through a lot of systems calls. It is just that the system time jumps
up to over 95% on all 8 processors with 2.6.26 and beyond. I never see
that with 2.6.25.17. I will try looking again and see if there are
certain calls that are taking a lot of time.
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