halabar wrote:But Divine Star is better dps... Halo doesn't work well when you are supposed to do a lot of stacking.

Heh, I'm actually messing around a bit with the Star now (Plus, it's something else you can actually hit on-the-move - I got REALLY spoiled by playing my hunter...)

It's been a while, but everything I looked at before (IV, mainly) said to just take Halo and use it as a damage cooldown. That just seems like a colossal waste of a skill to me - Halo's a very good healing CD and should be used as such. (Not so good when stacked up, as you said, but quite nice otherwise.)

Cascade's been really fun with my Holy spec as well - taking that in Shadow seems fine as a decent healing skill (I'd macro it to hit myself so I don't have to re-target).

Don't know about the FDCL stuff - I've always used the squid. *shrug* Well, that and my priest is my 3rd-in-priority char so he doesn't get near the playtime of the others - I'm lucky to get him through all of LFR in a week.

... the fact that more potential voters are swayed by a few trivial comments 10 years ago than a candidate literally collapsing is not a good sign and tends to indicate that even if Trump wins, it won't matter.

No electorate that stupid is going to survive long, one way or another.

Hymn of Hope is hardly noticeable, fights are tuned with healers not having it, and even when they have it it's a very minimal amount of mana.

Halo and Divine Star's heals are a joke. They are so small that they are lost in the massive amount of aoe healing going on in serious raids. Don't see how the 25k heal from my DS is going to save someone taking 100k aoes or stop a healer from hotting the shit out of them.Plus, if you are serious on DPSing, you use them on cooldown, thus can never time them to hit right after damage anyway.

I use Void shift every now and then, but in fact, many times you cant, cause if you use it, and are hit by an aoe right after, you just change the person who dies. And a DPS death is a wipe in hc raiding.

Let's not be silly, the Hybrid classes have been dead long ago. No class brings special utilities to the raid to justify them being 30k dps behind other dps classes.Oh wait, i have lifegrip.

In real raiding, Shadowpriests are a DPS, they can't use any of their support skills.No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.

Sorry, random raging, I really hate being a dead weight in my raid group. Hardcore people bring shadowpriests to single target fights only when they have no other casters to fill the spots nowadays.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Worldie wrote:No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.

10-man Elegon would like a word with you.

Ignoring rest of whining.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

halabar wrote:But Divine Star is better dps... Halo doesn't work well when you are supposed to do a lot of stacking.

Heh, I'm actually messing around a bit with the Star now (Plus, it's something else you can actually hit on-the-move - I got REALLY spoiled by playing my hunter...)

It's been a while, but everything I looked at before (IV, mainly) said to just take Halo and use it as a damage cooldown. That just seems like a colossal waste of a skill to me - Halo's a very good healing CD and should be used as such. (Not so good when stacked up, as you said, but quite nice otherwise.)

The problem with Halo is that it has that "sweet spot" to do great dps.. and it falls off rapidly if you are not at the exact range. Once they buffed DS, a lot of spriests went to it.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Worldie wrote:Sorry, random raging, I really hate being a dead weight in my raid group. Hardcore people bring shadowpriests to single target fights only when they have no other casters to fill the spots nowadays.

Now a days? According to Raid Bots outside of outliers like Arcane and Afflicttion Shadow is a top DPS spec for this entire tier.

Sounds to me you're just bitching to bitch and you regret playing a class you're not amazing at.

We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.

Come for the theorycraftStay for the rampant complaining and wild accusations about how everyone's class is the worst class in the game and it's all Blizzards fault.

Also bonus points for saying

Let's not be stupid

And still you say

In real raiding, Shadowpriests are a DPS, they can't use any of their support skills.No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.

It almost makes sense now.

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Worldie wrote:In real raiding, Shadowpriests are a DPS, they can't use any of their support skills.No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.

I'm not a "real raider" in Worldie's eyes, but I constantly bubble myself (and occasionally the tanks), use PoM, and even put up a renew here and there. It's mostly to fish for Twist of Fate procs, but it certainly helped when our healers (holy priest/pally) were struggling. Of course... now we have Ami doing the shaman thing, so it's less of an issue, but I do still sometimes get the damage boost outside of execute.

As for Halo vs Divine Star, I tried Divine Star for a little bit... the cd is too short for me to remember to hit it every time, but that could be fixed by using it more.

The REAL big thing is Dispersion. While it's not unique in its ability to take care of mechanics (e.g. Ice Block, Divine Shield), its cooldown and the fact that it's not an immunity make it pretty much the most universally handy soak mechanic that Blizzard can never bypass.

Worldie wrote:Hymn of Hope is hardly noticeable, fights are tuned with healers not having it, and even when they have it it's a very minimal amount of mana.

I don't know about your raid, but we've used Hymn of Hope for progression kills fairly often.

If i had a STG pot for each progression fight where the SP (2)were requested to cast Hymn, i would NEVAR need to go farming again....In 25men, 2shammy(enhac/elem) and 2SP means you need 1less healer...

An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.

I disagree. And I don't really see how shadow is "amazing and topping meters", as I said, I can hit fairly consistently my simmed DPS, and I'm constantly bottom of the line, not cause they outskill me, but because other classes just scale better with gear.I don't even ask for topping meters, I'm not a dps whore, I just ask to be competitive and justify my raid spot. Back in the days when i occasionally played Ret in raids, I had no problems in being bottom DPS because my raid benefitted greatly from the buffs I bring. Right now, I feel I bring the raid nothing.

p.s. I remember this is a "post your Frustration" threat, we made it to allow people to rant a bit when they need to get it out, and right now, I'm quite disappointed by my situation.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

... the fact that more potential voters are swayed by a few trivial comments 10 years ago than a candidate literally collapsing is not a good sign and tends to indicate that even if Trump wins, it won't matter.

No electorate that stupid is going to survive long, one way or another.

Meh. I don't like being replied "but you bring utility" when the only utility we bring is Hymn of Hope which is hardly necessary.

And even if, it doesnt justify being 30% dps behind other Single Target dps.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

If you order something, and don't like it, because it isn't as nice as something someone else bought that is a different brand, that's not my problem. If you want to return it, that's fine. But I'm not refunding your shipping. It showed up as described. I even told you when you asked to return it that I wouldn't refund shipping, and you did so anyway. Then you open a Complaint about it?

Are you SERIOUS? And then to complain that it isn't described accurately, and that it is a FAKE?! SERIOUSLY!? You bought a generic thing, for half of the price of the name brand. That's not fake. That's cheap. I don't pretend that it's the Name Brand. I don't say anything that would remotely DESCRIBE it as the name brand. I give you the brand, the company who made it, the dimensions, and the materials it's made from. I give you pictures of it.

And then, I have yet another problem with a person in Brazil. Orders a headlight, leaves negative feedback saying it isn't as described. I'm sorry, what wasn't described? It was NEW. It doesn't have a BOX. It's called SURPLUS. And then not to even contact me and tell me that there is a problem with it? If it showed up broken, it had insurance. I would have filed a claim, and been done with it. Those things are packed in copious amounts of foam to ensure that they have the best chance to arrive intact. If it didn't, the insurance will take care of it.

That's like asking people to hold their breath indefinitely, Shoju. Never happen.

(I've been listening to a coworker next to me tell this guy, for the last 10 minutes, "3 independent witnesses all agree the guy you hit wasn't speeding. Therefore, HE WASN'T SPEEDING.")

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.

It's just frustrating. You don't like somethign? Fine. Return it. Not a problem. I even went above and beyond and waved our normal policy of "no returns on items that aren't defective or not as described" But, to want me to LOSE money on this because you don't like it?

Do people expect to buy something from Best Buy, take it home, realize they don't like it, return it, and then ask for their gas money back on the original trip to the store?

I work in the it of a global company... you don't imagine the idiocity i face from the soo called Master Minds...

IT Senior tech: "I don't how could they f`ck up this simple instruction"Me: "They did exactly what you told them to do"IT Senior tech: "yes, they should know better"

IT Senior Tech: "I implemented this change without your authorisation, now the audit are filling a report, can you help me answer them?"Me: "You did what?!"

IT Project Manager:"I need to order aditional servers and space for a project, who can i speak?"Me (ironic):"Maybe you should get a IT Project Manager"IT Project Manager:"Cool, do you have his contact?"

IT Project Manager:"All new Processes and mandatory IT comms should be placed on the IT Portal. I can't read all those emails."Human Resource Cooworker:"Good idea, what do you like the most on the IT Portal?"IT Project Manager:"Oh, i have never entered it."

This is not make up, this are serious work discussions :S

An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.

"Um, we're waiting for the final bill so we can pay it.""Yes, but where in the repairs are they? Has it been fixed? Painted?""...have you tried calling the shop directly and asking?""Oh, I can do that?!"

Fetzie wrote:The Defias Brotherhood is back, and this time they are acting as racketeers in Goldshire. Anybody wishing to dance for money must now pay them protection money or be charged triple the normal amount when repairing.