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Dangerous Times – Part 2

The fulfillment of your own sexuality is nothing less than your battle for existence. – Pook

If you’ve been wondering what I’ve been doing lately over the past week I took it upon myself to read through the 7,000 word short story “Cat Person” that’s recently gone viral. The author, 36 year old Kristen Roupenian, was also offered a one million dollar book deal to expand the story even further. You too can read the whole thing if you have the stomach, but it reads every bit like the passive-aggressive indirection I’d expected it would coming from a less-than Hypergamously satisfied woman who’s well past the Wall. Rather than craft a concrete article about her own inner conflict (and by association all women’s conflict) of having ‘inconvenient’ casual sex, she thought she wanted, we get an overwritten fiction that sock-puppets herself as the main character.

If this book does publish, trust me, it wont be a new 50 Shades of Grey. Cat Person resonates with women today because we now live in the #MeToo era of moral panic inspired by the same Future is Female outrage brokers who brought us pink pussy knitted caps and the women’s march in the wake of Hillary Clinton’s defeat. I decided to split this series of essays into two parts because at this moment in history we are beginning to see the culmination of the predictions I alluded to in my essay, The Political is Personal. We are seeing, in real time, just how a feminine-primary social order and a growing female supremacism consolidates its power. But as I outlined in that essay, this power is always predicated on the hope of ensuring the largest pool of women are legally and socially entitled to the unquestioned, and unmerited, optimization of Hypergamy.

Any man with a Red Pill Lens reading through Cat Person will easily pick out the social conventions and rationalizations unique to women’s ‘hamstering’ (“Flirting with her customers was a habit she’d picked up back when she worked as a barista, and it helped withtips.”) that the manosphere has been picking apart for almost two decades now. And, like most women, the female readership find nothing inconsistent or conflicting about any of it. Roupenian breezes through the ins and outs of women’s sexual pluralism and the differences between transactional (Beta) and validational (Alpha) sex without so much as an afterthought – and her readers eat it up with the same solipsism.

However, the overarching concern for women about this story is the issue of the newly coined term “enthusiastic consent”. Our poor Margot (the main character and proxy for the author, and ultimately all women) is torn up by a casual sexual encounter that at first she thought she wanted, but later, even after giving the guy the green light to have sex with her, she loses enthusiasm to bang him. Yet, not to be rude or to create an uncomfortable scene, she goes through with the inconvenient, lack luster, sex because it was easier to say yes than to say no.

There are other names for this kind of sex: gray zone sex, in reference to that murky gray area of consent; begrudgingly consensual sex, because, you know, you don’t really want to do it but it’s probably easier to just get it over with; lukewarm sex, because you’re kind of “meh” about it; and, of course, bad sex, where the “bad” refers not to the perceived pleasure of it, but to the way you feel in the aftermath.

Essentially, this shift from Yes Means Yes consent to Enthusiastic Consent ask the last questions in women’s social consolidation of Hypergamy:

“Must I still have to have transactional sex with Betas if all my provisional needs are more or less met?”

“If I’m an ’empowered’ woman, am I not entitled to the sex I want to have with Alpha men that validate both my hindbrain and my ego?”

“Can transactional sex with Betas be used as leverage to extort resources from them at any future date by redefining that undesired sex as ‘rape’?”

Curb Your “Enthusiasm”

The reason I believe that Roupenian’s future book will fall flat is because the viral conversation her short story elicits is about a new terminology that the Feminine Imperative hopes to insert into the public sphere – that of ‘enthusiastic consent‘ being the only legitimate form of consent a woman can give a man. Anything less than genuine enthusiasm (however this is arbitrarily defined by women) is at best illegitimate consent and at worst rape – even if every indicator a woman gives a man prior to, during and after sex says ‘yes’ she still means ‘no’ and, as we’ll see here, it will be incumbent on that man to be an adequate mindreader and sexual evaluator to determine her real degree of ‘enthusiasm’ both in the moment and into the future.

There’s a lot to unpack here, but I wanted to begin with a comment I received last week:

If you read feminist literature, the intent behind “enthusiastic consent” seems to have good intentions. Its based on the following purported beliefs:

That there is a huge incidence of coerced sex and sexual contact, which is mostly inadvertent rather than malicious. The best way to correct this is to teach men the principles of EC.

That the idea of a sharp Alpha/Beta divide in men’s sexual attractiveness is a myth propagated by the misogynistic Right. Furthermore, girls and women have a realistic idea of their own SMV and will be attracted to their male equivalent.

Thus, feminists believe a free sexual market will see assortive mating with both men and women being able to get a similar amount of sex. This is why when men complain of the difficulty of getting sex, many women will retort that it must be because they are only chasing “supermodels”.

Look at Charlie Rose, is this a man with any Red Pill at all? Giving shoulder rubs to office girls, showing porn to a couple, this is all high school Beta stuff. But he had a TV show that lots of famous people wanted to get on. Clearly Beta-ized, but a situational Alpha. In my not so humble opinion most of the #MeToo girls are going after former situational Alphas because they turned out to be Blue Pill Beta after all…they feel cheated, and are just so sure that all the other girls got to ride a real Alpha pony on the carousel, so the fury comes out.

The ‘enthusiastic’ consent social push we are just on the cusp of today is the next progression in the larger goal of feminism – removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality. ‘Enthusiastic consent’ will be the raison d’etat for the legislation leading to the outlawing of any form of male sexual expression.

The inherent insecurity that optimizing Hypergamy poses to women is so imperative, so all-consuming, to their psychological wellbeing that establishing complex social orders to facilitate that optimization were the first things women collectively constructed when they were (nominally) emancipated from men’s provisioning around the time of the sexual revolution.

Ensuring the optimization of women’s biologically prompted Hypergamy is literally the basis of our current social order. On a socio-political scale what we’re experiencing is legislation and cultural mandates that better facilitate Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

[…]As Open Hypergamy becomes more institutionalized and made a societal norm by the Feminine Imperative, and as more men become Red Pill aware (by effort or consequences) because of it, the more necessary it will become for a feminine-primary social order to legislate and mandate men comply with it.

As much as I’d like to believe that normalizing ‘enthusiastic consent’ may lead to women overplaying their hand, I have to consider how the specificity of defining consent will also redefine past sexual norms and intersexual dynamics; not just among single individuals having loosely defined “consensual” sex, but also married couples and how sex (or lack thereof) defines their relationships. As if the men of today needed one more reason to be wary of marriage and how it will eventually affect their sex lives, now we can add the potential for ‘marital rape’ accusations based on EC (enthusiastic consent) to that list; and all in light of women’s less than enthusiastic response to any of her husband’s advances. God forbid a mewling Beta pouts his way into this grey zone ‘duty sex’ with his unenthusiastic wife.

What were witnessing here is the insertion of college campus consent laws into Marriage 2.0, and as designed its intent is to further disrupt marriage and family. Even in the old books presumptions about marriage a man could expect his commitment to a wife and family meant a plenary exchange of sexual access. But when enthusiastic consent is a prerequisite for legitimizing sexual encounters, anything resembling a woman’s putting out duty sex for her husband, even starfish lack luster obligatory sex is defined as rape.

I got the following comment from last week’s Red Pill Reddit forum repost:

The fundamental driver is removal of female responsibility for her actions, pushing all responsibility onto men. Whatever happens between a man and a woman, women universally agree that the man is to blame for any and all results, including her subsequent regret.

Responsibility used to be on women to say “no” if she wanted to claim rape. This responsibility has been removed. No longer does she have to verbalise lack of consent. No longer does she even have to verbalise actual consent. She can decide after the fact…. years after the fact…. whether her consent was in fact enthusiastic enough, and she can base that on her future feelings. “But did you enthusiastically scream yes?” her friends will ask, which is more than the police or the public will subsequently ask of her.

And this is the intended result: women are not to be held responsible for their actions. They are not to be held responsible at any cost – including the destruction of male lives.

I presented this point in Men and Suicide, but just to recap, on a subconscious level women will always seek to absolve themselves of complicity in men’s personal destruction. This extends from destroying mens lives due to regrets over not optimizing Hypergamy, to any concern over men committing suicide. At present, women are attempting to reconcile ‘bad sex’ with ‘inconvenient sex’ they have in spite of themselves. However, the same absolution of any inherent complicity in this ‘transactional’ sex ends with blaming men for women’s lack of agency or self-moderation:

Bad sex isn’t even necessarily coercive. I’m talking about having a sexual encounter you don’t want to have because in the moment it seems easier to get it over with than it would be to extricate yourself.

Young women say yes to sex they don’t actually want to have all of the time. Why? Because we condition young women to feel guilty if they change their mind. After all, you’ve already made it back to his place, or you’re already on the bed, or you’ve already taken off your clothes, or you’ve already said yes. Do you really want to have an awkward conversation about why you want to stop? What if it hurts his feelings? What if it ruins the relationship? What if you seem like a bitch?

The problem in this rationale isn’t about women changing their mind or feeling guilty – those are excuses for male-initiated victimhood for women and absolve women’s complicity – rather, the focus should be on the fact that women going through with this type of sex presently have the option to ruin a man’s life at any future date by defining it as ‘unwanted sex’. Ella Dawson may not want to conflate transactional, Beta sex as rape, but that’s where this conversation is leading us to.

Is it OK for Alpha Males?

I apologize for forgetting who it was that sent me this link, but the present day #MeToo moral panic combined with notions of “enthusiastic consent” and a resulting atmosphere of fear in intersexual dynamics was predicted as far back as 2004, and by a woman no less:

Sexual harassment is a crime committed by beta-males who think they can get away with alpha behavior. But that is a distinction too delicate for the blunt instrument of the law. How do you explain to a judge why one man’s comedy is another man’s bone-chilling lechery? And can we really expect the beta-males themselves to understand the difference?

I found this article very prescient about our present moral panic. In the last two posts I’ve made the case that what were finally seeing on a social scale is the consolidation of women’s entitlement to an almost socialistic guarantee of optimized Hypergamy. Through any number of direct and indirect institutions we’ve now virtually guaranteed women a right to Beta men’s resources, protection and provisioning as well as a dominant social status above them both at home and in the workplace. Whether overtly or covertly, women dominate Beta men; the last piece of consolidating Hypergamy is then the (at least partial) control of Alpha Fucks.

As we move into 2018 – an era to be defined even more thoroughly by the Future is Female, #MeToo and Enthusiastic Consent – I believe we’ll see a push for the following:

Sexual harassment will indeed be a crime committed by Beta males who fail at a convincing ‘Alpha’ behavior. As such the push will be to get Beta men to self-police their behavior via fear. There will be a doubling down on the part of Blue Pill White Knights and ‘Feminist Allies’ in the wake of the social and legal options women will have to be believed of men’s sexual misconduct allegations by default. Feminized men will “try harder” and rat out their rivals for any hint of misconduct in an Orwellian effort to be more appealing and identifying with women.

Only confident Alpha men, or men well versed in Game, will be allowed to approach women from a perspective of social acceptability. However, even then it will be a woman’s prerogative to later define that approach or subsequent interaction as harassment if that Alpha doesn’t comply with a woman’s long term security needs, provisioning and parental investment ‘entitlements’. The latent purpose of a suspension of the statutes of limitation for sexual harassment will center on locking down (perceptually) Alpha men in a long term relationship.

This new feminine-primary sexual paradigm will further limit Beta men’s sexual access and increase reproduction stress in the few Beta men who don’t pragmatically drop out of the sexual marketplace altogether. This will also reinforce boys/men’s conditioning of loathing their own gender. They will be taught to accept this feminine-primary sexual strategy, as well as the legal restrictions on his power of choice and his life’s direction as the societal norm.

Legal mandates and societal mores will directly and indirectly ensure Beta men’s compliance in all aspects of parental investment in children he was not biologically responsible for, as well as women’s long term security.

Now, more than ever it is imperative that men become Red Pill awakened and see the writing on the wall with a Red Pill Lens. All of this may seem horribly unavoidable, but let me emphasize, it’s not for men who are aware of, and have internalized intersexual dynamics and can plan accordingly.

In the last installment of this series I’ll be delving into some of the larger socio-sexual implications of where we find ourselves today and where I see present day intersexual relations leading us in a larger scale as well as what Red Pill men can do to win at whats becoming a very dangerous game.

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Rollo, this is JUST ANOTHER SHIT TEST. I laugh and joke and dance and girls squeal and play grabass with me and put my hands on their boobs. Guys ask me what my secret is. Preselection. Living in the Moment. Doing what I want and making my own fucking rules instead of following the FI’s rules. Enforcing my own boundaries with fun and zest and not being harsh. Laughing when other men hit on Mrs. Gamer. Not being insecure. That’s the Red Pill WRIT LARGE. Thanks, Rollo and all the commenters, for helping me in my journey. You’re awesome!

We already know what efforts to corral Alpha Fucks to the FI will look like.

Remember the case of Emma Mattress Girl Sulkowicz was from start to finish her effort to enlist the disciplinary system of Columbia University to expel and punish the bad boyfriend Alpha who got tired of her and dared to get away. Look at her tweets and pleas to him to please please please come back after he ditched her, as he pasted into his complaint against Columbia (and which she could not even try to deny). No? Expel him! Get your friends to file false accusations against him and try try again!

Gotta love the Pook tribute. Moreover, with great risk comes great reward and as the challenges multiply, there’s no defensible choice but to double down on mastering game as a means for achieving success in all facets of life.

The future you describe (and is probably inevitable due to the increasing number of beta males in America due to family demographics such as single mothers, cuckholdry, etc.) is a society that men will separate from and not fight for or invest in. This the cycle will feed itself and the downward spiral will continue.

I do see opportunity for game aware men who can hold frame (for awhile, anyway) as betas drop out, but I foresee the government and work place authorities siding with the escalating FI, as it has for 40-50 years, till all men are vulnerable targets. As more women take hold of more levers of power in society, emotion and solipsism will rule with an iron fist. And retroactively if they feel like it.

Men continue to collectively fail the shit test of feminism with flying colors.

Marital rape is already here. When the evil ex sprang the trap and exploded my life she did an interview with a female cop that I was able to obtain via the discovery process. The ex said that we had sex twice in the preceding two weeks (true, but no coitus). She said she was “uncomfortable” with it. The cop pressed her twice with the question; “Did you tell him no”. The ex responded that she did not tell me “no”. The female cop wanted to charge me with rape so badly you could hear the disappointment in her voice.

There was another guy in the same small town that beat and fucked his wife. Guess where he is now? Doing a 20 year stretch in the big house.

The difference between him and me is that he actually did it, I didn’t. The only reason I am not his “cellie” in the big house right now is that the lying ex evidently didn’t hate me that much, destroying my life for cash, prizes, and attention was enough.

I have been MGTOW for over three years and I credit it for pulling the pistol out of my mouth. I have noticed in the comment sections of MGTOW vids/articles a lack of comments by men with first hand, up close, and personal experience with the sausage grinder. Why that is I don’t know and won’t speculate. But the point is this – men particularly you young ones – wake the fuck up. Listen to the veterans and learn. Don’t be stupid and learn the hard way like we did. It is now official, MGTOW ghost monk is the only sane option.

Any other course is an invitation to be introduced into the feed chute of the grinder. Trust me, you don’t want to go there. For hanging above it is a sign that reads; “Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here”. Dante’s Inferno in 2018 and beyond is baited with pussy. Wake up and don’t take the bait. I wish to God I never had. Cheers.

“The fulfillment of your own sexuality is nothing less than your battle for existence. – Pook”

“but I foresee the government and work place authorities siding with the escalating FI, as it has for 40-50 years, till all men are vulnerable targets.”

“Feminism has bastardized the natural course of man-woman courtship. At some point in every man’s life he will go through struggles in the sexual marketplace. He will look like a dumbass when he misreads a woman’s signals and goes for the kiss anyways. He will ask out a girl without a confident demeanor and come off as an idiot. He will put pussy on a pedestal and then (hopefully) realize how weak that is. Men are the natural leaders, but we need opportunities to fail, learn from these mistakes and have success in the future. Feminism has effectively eliminated these opportunities for failure and young men cannot learn how to secure a mate. I look back and cringe at some of my failures with girls growing up, but without these I would still have the frame of a high schooler. I can’t imagine trying to navigate the current sexual marketplace as a young man. Attempting to “go for it” with the wrong person can land a life-destroying allegation of sexual misconduct that is taken face value as true. I hope things change by the time I have a son. Dangerous times indeed.”

This comment is gold… How many times i forgot to fail… I love failing… I don’t want to repeat the same mistakes… I do i do so many times… But to learn is to be human… So many men that we learn about in time have failed at such a high degree that the caliber of man is a direct result of failing in glory confronting fear… Learning from it… Growing in the rich sun of staying opening but failing… Failure removed because of fear is never going to make a man anyone will respect or truly appreciate…

increasing number of beta males in America due to family demographics such as single mothers, cuckholdry, etc.

Most men have always been beta. Most men will always be beta. Perhaps the percentage of alphas as compared to the overall male population has gone down a bit, but alphas have always been rare.

Who is Alpha is determined by women, and seems to be based mainly on being above average in various metrics. Most men cannot, by definition, be above average. Just like most people cannot be “wealthy”.

Great follow up post. This brings up the 1970’s feminist-gone-wrong film Looking for Mr. Goodbar.

I’ll leave it to Rugby to clog the feed with endless clips from it but it’s well worth te watching through a Red Pill lens.

Starting Diane Keaton as a flakey you go grrrrl teacher by day who cruises bars and
Bangs random dudes at night it is worth seeing for the Alfa Fux Beta Bux diachotomy with Keaton clearly ignoring her better judgement by banging the dangerous Richard Geer character while friendZoning her beta associate who has trouble banging her.

It of course all goes hopelessly wrong at the end but not before raising the question of despite knowing the risks why does she continue banging the Richard Geer character when the more sensitive colleague is clearly better suited as “boyfriend” material?

“Who is Alpha is determined by women, and seems to be based mainly on being above average in various metrics. Most men cannot, by definition, be above average. Just like most people cannot be “wealthy”.”

I don’t find (believe) any of those three sentences to be true. Alpha is determined by other men, can be chosen as a mindset by one man (it’s not a demographic…), and women may respond to that, or not. If a woman does not respond to that, it doesn’t mean that Alpha is determined by her. Exactly who is in charge of you and your actions, your Mental Point of Origin and your Frame? Your mind? Your heart? A woman?

(corollary: Rejection is better than Regret.)

Most men do have the potential to be above average, not by desire or inward intention, but by outward intention and outward action. And ditto for “wealth” which can be defined in many ways. To voice the contrary is barefaced having limiting beliefs

These are dangerous times indeed, and no doubt betas will be punished. Its a key point that they now have very little opportunity to learn from their mistakes. There is no room for error which will make many of them remove themselves all together from the game.

I do see this however as a massive opportunity for guys to Red Pill the fuck up, and fast. This is actually a bit of a tail wind for us if we are smart and with a rational, male perspective advantage of it. Female imperative will fuck it up in some ways, no doubt, its their nature.

What I dont buy is the martial rape accusation, i reckon thats paranoia. Maybe in some extreme examples, but no, dont see that happening on a mainstream scale.

And on a sight note, Im still dumbfounded how Hillary made Bill such a Beta whipping boy. I mean this guy was as Alpha as any guy out there, what the fuck happened to him ??

Wow, if this really is happening it’s pure insanity! And the question begs to be asked, why are we as men allowing this? Us men built the modern world and there is no way we should just roll over like this. Look around, gentlemen. There are very few women out there worthy of Alpha attention, let alone to marry. I have played the field for the past 20+ years and have yet to connect with a woman i’d want to have a kid with (which is either a poor reflection on myself or the company i have kept). Thus i am kid free, though no regrets at this stage. There is someone i met who i think i’d like to breed with, but we shall see how all of that unfolds, especially as i am 51. In the meantime, will do my best not to pedastalize her, which is often easier said than done for me…
If things do continue to head south for men, then best we just down tools and let the wymmyn do all the dirty work & see how long that lasts. Can’t see too many of them down a trench, or on a building site, or driving heavy machinery. They will soon be enthusiastically begging for us to come back to the party, on all fours. Interesting times, indeed…

Adhering to standards and expressing them to women is what separates the quenched alphas from the thirsty betas. Too many men cede the Darwinian high ground of standards to women, an assumption not without biological basis in reality — the vessel housing expensive eggs can demand more than can cheapo spermos — but nevertheless an assumption that can cost men a lot of romantic possibility, and tragically an assumption which can be overturned with minimal mental effort….

….So much hidden love can explode in the world if men abided for themselves the same laundry list of criteria that women take for granted as the prerogative of their sex. Men with freely and boldly expressed standards are a lightning rod to women who labor under a scarcity of such men. Try it and see for yourself. Set standards of what you will allow or disallow in women and follow those standards. You don’t even have to be sincere; the mere revelation of your standards and ACTING as if they matter to you will be enough to flip the seduction script and have women effortflirting for your approval….

…..Remember, the shit test is prologue to sex. If a girl is uninterested, she will ignore you or curtly reject you. If a girl is interested DESPITE her forebrain telling her you’re no good, she will tease, taunt, and try to wind you up as a gauge of your alpha male state control (or beta male emotional and libidinal incontinence).

Walawala
(If anyone is bothered by the clips or videos just say something because as a child i created an escape to film to cope with hollow people who didn’t know how to mirror back human emotion’s…)

I use to close myself to learning how to play with people by escaping into Picture’s… The world is such a beautiful place to exist in… As hard as thing’s may be at the moment… Build and focus on yourself,,, Help other’s with an open heart… If they don’t respond you gave it your best…
Goodnight Brother’s

“but nevertheless an assumption that can cost men a lot of romantic possibility, and tragically an assumption which can be overturned with minimal mental effort….”

“Men with freely and boldly expressed standards are a lightning rod to women who labor under a scarcity of such men. Try it and see for yourself. Set standards of what you will allow or disallow in women and follow those standards. You don’t even have to be sincere; the mere revelation of your standards and ACTING as if they matter to you will be enough to flip the seduction script and have women effortflirting for your approval….”

This whole ’emotional thinking’ that women have makes me think, maybe instead of beating feminism with facts we could just use emotional persuasion to change their minds? At least for the females anyway.

The reason Roseann Quinn’s death terrified people wasn’t that she was a freak or a hippie. It was that she was steadily employed, modestly dressed, well-liked. She was normal. But she was a new normal—one that, decades later, we’re still trying to deny or scare away.

What is the moral of Little Red Riding Hood’s tale? “Children, especially attractive, well bred young ladies, should never talk to strangers, for if they should do so, they may well provide dinner for a wolf,” Perrault concluded. They may. But they often don’t. Women go to work, go out, and meet people to have sex with. Complications, we know, ensue. Corpses, usually, do not. The fact that Goodbar still haunts us—it’s been used as an argument against everything from 50 Shades of Grey to Craigslist—may point to a deeper fear than we’re willing to admit. Maybe what scares us isn’t that girls are putting themselves in danger. Maybe what scares us is simply the fact that they’re putting themselves out in the world at all.

There are many absurd things in Looking for Mr. Goodbar. But what’s most absurd is how relevant it still is. It’s valuable simply because—like all good horror stories, and all fairy tales—it boils a common fear down to its bare outline. A young woman has sex. She likes it. Because she likes it, none of the rewards we offer for good behavior—marriage, or children, or love—matter anymore. She goes out into the woods alone and does not heed her mother’s warnings. She finds a monster in her bed. And he eats her up.

The author of that link is a part of the sisterhood. And writes as if things shouldn’t be that way. She’s actually complaining about how the author used scare tactics, perhaps inappropriately.

She just has a twisty way of writing how things should be in a feminist dangerous times, not how they are. Subtle but true.

Women like sex, for a myriad of reasons. Go figure. Things might not turn out well from that. Go figure. With Red Pill lenses, we all know what is going on here. Very clearly. Horror stories will be written about when they involve women. When they involve men?, not so much mainstream commentary.

I know this sounds far fetched but all this “destroying” of women’s souls with poisonous ideas and concepts that play into women’s selfish sentiments is to mix the races so that the satanist can rule the world. Its a double edged self fulfilling prophecy. Women tricked into this damage themselves beyond salvage-ability picking up skittle spawns (children all colors of the rainbow, same mom). The men on the other side end up going to other women of other cultures because their women are so damaged beyond any reasonable ROI. The mixing happens on both ends, both men (pragmatism) and women (selfishness).

For some reason, mixing of the races is the key to satanic control. That is the end game of all the social engineering.

You wrote “Only confident Alpha men, or men well versed in Game, will be allowed to approach women from a perspective of social acceptability” but will there even be any Alphas anymore when all of their power is gone?

“I know this sounds far fetched but all this “destroying” of women’s souls with poisonous ideas and concepts that play into women’s selfish sentiments is to mix the races so that the satanist can rule the world. Its a double edged self fulfilling prophecy.

Notwithstanding the flawed premise, those two things have nothing to do with each other.

Good day sir. You lose. You get nothing.

No one is destroying women’s souls via Red Pill. You just made that up. And to conjoin that with miscegenation. Stupid girl.

Agreeing with Rollo’s premise these are ‘Dangerous Times’ it begs the question–would the #metoo movement even be ‘a thing’ if we had a President Hillary Clinton? I’d argue not a chance. Present Trump, whether you support him or not, is probably the most ‘Alpha’ president we’ve had in the WH in recent memory. And because of this, at it’s heart, the #metoo movement is a cynical political ploy. And because it is political, it’s power to change culture and society, is fickle and arguably malleable. These times, ‘Dangerous Times’ counsel patience and prudence. It is cliché to assign women to the AWALT bin–that is cheap wisdom. Understand, not all women identify as ‘feminist’ nor embrace the FI as it looks to control men. Screen women for qualities that add to your life: All others remain as plates. Have fun, be smart, screen screen screen. YMMV.

It’s already difficult enough for a young man to go out into the real world and meet a woman – the fear of rejection is not easily overcome. Now we can add the fear of legal, and social, consequences on top of it. These days the average man can’t get better with women without getting some real world experience. However, with these legal ramifications, a Beta (who has the potential to become an Alpha) is going to find it harder to improve himself. Soon it will be only Alpha males, naturally born or previously developed, who will be able to comfortably assert themselves to a woman. Maybe the only choice a man has now is to build it – and they will come.

What do you mean “win”. No, there is no “winning”, at least not for long. Do you think your readers will commit more earnestly to become red-pilled? And to what degree? 3rd fucking degree black belt Red Pill? Then what? Then what? What is the end game? Alpha badasses wife up the top-tier sluts, maintain frame and keep their pussies wet-4-life, thereby avoiding rape charges and prison? What the fuck? Oh and don’t forget you gotta become alpha daddies too!
Do you naively think that if men just become more alpha – just enough men and just alpha enough – we’ll enter Valhalla and women will return to the kitchen wanting nothing more than to make babies?
There is no end to this game. The red pill will require higher and higher doses until it is completely ineffective. When everyone is red-pilled then no one is red-pilled. Can you not see that? Hypergamy necessarily means females will always select the best men observable – i.e. the top Alphas of the Alphas.
You don’t know what’s going on in the trenches, and how game is becoming less effective.
The only solution, the solution that’s worked repeatedly for thousands of years, is mass genocide of males in the course of brutal war. When women lose their agency, and the excess of males vanishes, and they stop having to compete and back-stab each other over a limited number of reproductive-age sluts, then relations will return to historical norms.

@Rollo: that reddit comment from “Zemataitais” that you embedded reflects some of my concerns over this “societal shit test”, that can effectively freeze guys (particularly younger ones, but not just) at a low level of game, because it makes failure slightly more likely and worse than that, makes the risks for failure much higher.

I’d like to see some workable suggestions for guys to practice game. For now, night game in “sexual zones” like night clubs is still fairly low risk, although a guy can still pull and lay a girl, and if she regrets it later she can still fairly easily FRA-g the guy later with very damning consequences.

Sure, there is the “aftercare” YaReally used to talk about… Breakfast after in a public space, preferably with cameras and witnesses and maybe make yourself memorable while having breakfast to the staff, exchanging some nice text messaging after the fact…

But when consequences escalate, so should protection. Hidden cameras at your place (if you pull there)? In a hotel, escort her out cordially and smile for the cameras (and for the staff as well I guess)? What about pulling to her place or somewhere else?

“in reference to that murky gray area of consent; begrudgingly consensual sex, because, you know, you don’t really want to do it but it’s probably easier to just get it over with; lukewarm sex, because you’re kind of “meh” about it; and, of course, bad sex, where the “bad” refers not to the perceived pleasure of it, but to the way you feel in the aftermath.”

Did she at any time before penetration articulate in a clear manner her change of heart? Did she, you know, communicate it to the transient partner? Because if not, then it’s not ‘murky gray’ it’s consensual.

So……. (is it just me or in 42 comments did we get A LOT of spam comments? Jeez enough with the vid clips duuuuuude)

Anyway if you want to see a possible future for the West just look at JAPAN. In Japan a survey found that 30 percent of Adults are VIRGINS. You read that right 30 percent! The Japanese are just NOT having sex. At all. The birth rate is like 1.6 which is obviously well below replacement.

After travelling there and f-ing there I have to say that the Japanese love westerners. The women especially love westerners. We press for sex. We push in ways that no Japanese man does. And those little women just eat it up.

You can see the calculations in the young 20 year olds. They realize that they need to lock down the best man they can. They will gamble their lives on getting that ONE dude who can spark some passion. Any beta orbiters are just ignored except for “friend dates”. And if they miss it’s a future of being a celibate single lady. (And those Japanese ladies don’t seem to mind at all)

The ultimate outcome of this “Enthusiastic Consent” thing is NO BETA SEX. So unless all Alphas step up and father like 20 kids… we are going to have a population problem. Meanwhile our 3rd world houseguests are popping out kids by the half dozen.

I had to next a chick from Tinder when she began acting off before our first meeting–I only text to set up logistics but she was questioning me about my ‘red flags’ and such before she even knew my name.

In years past I’d overlook it and play around with her responses as typical shit-tests. But now shit-tests leave me icy, because now I don’t know: is it just a shit-test, or is it the first indication that the check is bitter and crazy, and will destroy what I’ve built via a MeToo accusation?

For now, night game in “sexual zones” like night clubs is still fairly low risk, although a guy can still pull and lay a girl, and if she regrets it later she can still fairly easily FRA-g the guy later with very damning consequences.

The solution on “getting good at game” is by getting good at game. Not by fearful half stepping. By going all in and Doing the Hard Work ™.

The solution on alpha is to exhibit the Alpha Triad traits – dynamic, passionate and authentic.

“It’s already difficult enough for a young man to go out into the real world and meet a woman – the fear of rejection is not easily overcome. Now we can add the fear of legal, and social, consequences on top of it. These days the average man can’t get better with women without getting some real world experience. ”

Confront it and go out and approach with while being curious.

“The solution on alpha is to exhibit the Alpha Triad traits – dynamic, passionate and authentic.

Once you are focused on fear, you have already lost. Be cognizant of risk… never dwell on them. dwelling leads to inaction. Inaction to just another form of death. Not a glorious one.

A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp. His height was six cubits and a span.[a] 5 He had a bronze helmet on his head and wore a coat of scale armor of bronze weighing five thousand shekels[b]; 6 on his legs he wore bronze greaves, and a bronze javelin was slung on his back. 7 His spear shaft was like a weaver’s rod, and its iron point weighed six hundred shekels.[c] His shield bearer went ahead of him.

8 Goliath stood and shouted to the ranks of Israel, “Why do you come out and line up for battle? Am I not a Philistine, and are you not the servants of Saul? Choose a man and have him come down to me. 9 If he is able to fight and kill me, we will become your subjects; but if I overcome him and kill him, you will become our subjects and serve us.” 10 Then the Philistine said, “This day I defy the armies of Israel! Give me a man and let us fight each other.” 11 On hearing the Philistine’s words, Saul and all the Israelites were dismayed and terrified.

…

David said to Saul, “Let no one lose heart on account of this Philistine; your servant will go and fight him.”

33 Saul replied, “You are not able to go out against this Philistine and fight him; you are only a young man, and he has been a warrior from his youth.”

34 But David said to Saul, “Your servant has been keeping his father’s sheep. When a lion or a bear came and carried off a sheep from the flock, 35 I went after it, struck it and rescued the sheep from its mouth. When it turned on me, I seized it by its hair, struck it and killed it. 36 Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living God. 37 The Lord who rescued me from the paw of the lion and the paw of the bear will rescue me from the hand of this Philistine.”

Saul said to David, “Go, and the Lord be with you.”

38 Then Saul dressed David in his own tunic. He put a coat of armor on him and a bronze helmet on his head. 39 David fastened on his sword over the tunic and tried walking around, because he was not used to them.

“I cannot go in these,” he said to Saul, “because I am not used to them.” So he took them off. 40 Then he took his staff in his hand, chose five smooth stones from the stream, put them in the pouch of his shepherd’s bag and, with his sling in his hand, approached the Philistine.

41 Meanwhile, the Philistine, with his shield bearer in front of him, kept coming closer to David. 42 He looked David over and saw that he was little more than a boy, glowing with health and handsome, and he despised him. 43 He said to David, “Am I a dog, that you come at me with sticks?” And the Philistine cursed David by his gods. 44 “Come here,” he said, “and I’ll give your flesh to the birds and the wild animals!”

45 David said to the Philistine, “You come against me with sword and spear and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the Lord Almighty, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. 46 This day the Lord will deliver you into my hands, and I’ll strike you down and cut off your head. This very day I will give the carcasses of the Philistine army to the birds and the wild animals, and the whole world will know that there is a God in Israel. 47 All those gathered here will know that it is not by sword or spear that the Lord saves; for the battle is the Lord’s, and he will give all of you into our hands.”

48 As the Philistine moved closer to attack him, David ran quickly toward the battle line to meet him. 49 Reaching into his bag and taking out a stone, he slung it and struck the Philistine on the forehead. The stone sank into his forehead, and he fell facedown on the ground.

50 So David triumphed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone; without a sword in his hand he struck down the Philistine and killed him.

Have faith… develop your skill… have confidence in yourself… and run toward the battle line!

Young Beta men will observe and take note. Many are likely to discover MGTOW of their own accord without even hearing the term. They will go monk mode, but probably without any lifting.

They will do STEM at university/college, they will study hard, they won’t expose themselves to any sort of danger – they won’t even socialise with their female fellow students, let alone go to alcohol fueled parties. They’ll fly under the radar.

They’ll continue to fly under the radar at work. Pence Rule will be the SOP. They won’t shit where they eat. They’ll try online dating without much success.

In the meantime, they’ll either stack cash or balance working and actual living by choosing a less demanding job; and paying less tax. Minimalism is something most men can readily hack.

For female company they’ll resort to prostitutes or travel abroad – for some in the latter group, it’ll be straight out sex tourism. Very low risk option. Same with fapping to PornHub etc.

If such men do discover the Red Pill, and realise that the prescription is to “be Alpha 24/7 bro”, most will do an honest stock take and say “fuck it, I’ll never achieve it”. And to not be able to pull off 100% Alpha with the concomitant consequences of failure to be so, they won’t dare risk it. And any attempt to shame them with “C’mon! Man up! Be Alpha bro’!” won’t work any more than when women and White Knights try it with “C’mon! Man up and marry those used-up whores!”. Each man will decide for himself whether the “juice is worth the squeeze”, whether we’re talking about women, education, a career or self-improvement.

As usual, some will choose to eat a bullet, many will nonetheless get ensnared in marriage and become resigned to a life of quiet desperation before getting divorce-raped.

Burner Prime is probably right. As time goes on, we all get older, and your Game needs to get better and better just to keep up. Demographic changes are still fairly slow; I doubt there will be some sort of “hard reset” in the next couple of decades e.g. a war wiping out “excess males” (pray tell, what number is “sufficient”?), or barbarians overcoming the West. It’s more likely that governments will run out of money to fund the madness of diversity hires and the welfare-for-women state. Then governments will try outright Communism, howsoever they wish to call it. And we all know how that turns out.

Those men that can might do well to emigrate – initially, to other countries in the Anglosphere, perhaps Europe. At least until the cancer of Feminism eventually and inevitably destroys those nations. If they’re lucky, Eastern Europe and Russia will want to take skilled/intelligent men.

I did watch some poor saps in line for it with their s.o.’s. You know that male uncomfortableness, shifty eyes, half smile, when the woman is leading? That was it. Not a happy Beta life.

Speaking of, was at a hotel this weekend, three couples vacationing together. Women college roommates. They were reminiscing how they met their present men. One mentions her privious bf before husband, prattles on about it. He’s shifting in seat, she’s oblivious. I ask the old bf’s name. She remembers. I ask his surname. She remembers. She asks do I know him. Me: “Hell yes! Doesn’t everyone? He’s my personal hero. What a God!”

What new about this? Betas have been willing contributors satisfying themselves with less, shouldering more than necessary. It’s been legislated now on 100 years.

If I was dictator for a day…down goes the 19th amendment. Until then Alpha up. What’s the alternative?

@ Saleri

“is it just a shit-test, or is it the first indication that the check is bitter and crazy, and will destroy what I’ve built via a MeToo accusation?”

Not either/or. One in the same. AWALT. Any woman can be bitter and crazy in the right environment, long enough. Insecurity is default female programming and is easy to pick out in public. Sounds like you got a handle on it, don’t dither my man, Saleri, and smash that test!

I think you miss read what i wrote. Its not the red pill doing the soul destroying. Its the the “spirit” of the age that promotes the removal of all restraints, looks to be going to a 4th wave.
The end result is the same, which is the mixing of peoples, which is essentially the removal of all borders/nations

SJW?, freudian slip there. And mixing of peoples? You got some windmills you are tilting at.

Not to be hard on some of you newbies, your opinion is welcome here. But when it comes down to it, a bottoms up approach entails looking inside yourself knowing who you are and developing your talents.

A torrent of top down approach to solving societies problems as a way to solve your problems is sure being unleashed upstream in comments here. Is top down really practical?

Who cares if races mix? If they are prevented from doing so by a magic wand, then everything won’t degenerate at the rate it is? Notwithstanding the fact that I live in Unicornland, I haven’t seen any race mixing around me. (And not that there’s anything wrong with race mixing, I just don’t see it as an issue. Mostly because it doesn’t affect me. And I got better battles to fight in for freedom.)

Take a little deeper look at Red Pill. What’s going on under the hood. And why more precisely that you are angry at factors outside of you and outside of your control.

@Sentient: I am above the skill level and able to calibrate so that I can practice and get better at game without getting FRA-gged (not, say, at the workplace, but at clubs etc.). Maybe not comfortably above the threshold which is maybe why I still worry about it, but above nonetheless. But others aren’t…

empires and societies come and go according to well-known cycles and stages; much of the nonsense we see now has also happened in ancient and not-so-ancient times, but…..

technology is the real wild card for this empire’s decline; the ability to take nature and twist it with our genetic alchemy is not in and of itself a bad thing, just a tool; however, we as a species with such power is ‘children with dynamite’ writ large

nuclear bombs are bad enough for humanity’s suicide but it’s lack of subtlety is what makes it easier to avoid; tinkering with genetics, however, will creep in under the guise of doing good, which it certainly can; at this very moment, there are governments, researchers and bad actors pushing to also weaponize these technologies and they certainly will; precautions and think tanks will never foresee all possibilities and we have no idea of the repercussions of our advancements

the push/pull of the male/female sexual strategies is perfectly natural, each one trying to overcome the other; it is our efforts to control nature, of which we are only a small part, which will be our undoing; the best we can do is re-direct it and that’s not much control

all this bellyaching about the end of the world is a bit too whiny for my tastes (although I do indulge from time to time); there have always been dangers for mankind and it’s up to us to overcome them, not wallow in fear and piss bemoaning our victimhood

Long time no see. I have a pro tip for ya – our govt is already out of ” money ” and has been for quite a while now ( I don’t count owed debt as having money… Quite the opposite ). Never stake your worth or future on too many things outside of your control.

The strong resistance of men to actually be MEN is perplexing as fuck to me. From that perspective, it would seem that men checking out because ” hard ” is natures way of culling, except that we are witnessing an artificially driven mode of culling courtesy of the FI.

Young men should indeed concentrate on their education and careers, but they also need to understand that for the overwhelming majority of dudes, this is a buffer against doing the actual work required to succeed at being a man totally formed, and the proof will be evident in the final results of life.

Mental, physical and spiritual. Ignore any one of these at your peril. * notice the absence of ” women ” in the equation. They cum later…. Lol.

One can only survive in fear for a limited time before the effects become embedded. The first step in avoidance of being paralyzed into inaction is recognition. Throwing up your hands once you’ve identified the problem is an awful waste of prime opportunity.

Yes, the eternal answer for all men will always be some form of ” just be alpha bro “. This is a fact of masculine life. Barring some kind of hormonal abnormalities, all men have the ability to ” just be more alpha “. It’s the true default setting.

Game. Once you fully understand game at your core and properly internalize it, you will not have to keep upping your game to ” keep up ” , as real game is eternal and applicable across the board of life.

Work is required. The work is a personal investment in yourself. Nobody stops eating because food tastes bad or is too expensive and lives to tell about it.

“Work is required. The work is a personal investment in yourself. Nobody stops eating because food tastes bad or is too expensive and lives to tell about it.”

“Game. Once you fully understand game at your core and properly internalize it, you will not have to keep upping your game to ” keep up ” , as real game is eternal and applicable across the board of life.”

“The strong resistance of men to actually be MEN is perplexing as fuck to me. From that perspective, it would seem that men checking out because ” hard ” is natures way of culling, except that we are witnessing an artificially driven mode of culling courtesy of the FI.

Young men should indeed concentrate on their education and careers, but they also need to understand that for the overwhelming majority of dudes, this is a buffer against doing the actual work required to succeed at being a man totally formed, and the proof will be evident in the final results of life.”

rugby – “I use to close myself to learning how to play with people by escaping into Pictures…”

“If anyone is bothered by the clips or videos just say something because as a child i created an escape to film to cope…”

seems like you still do; does it help you now? do you feel any progress within yourself after the duration of posting videos, etc. here? are you getting the results desired?

I’m not trying to get you to stop doing whatever it is you’re doing, just wondering what the fuck you get out of it; it’s hard to see from the outside, but if your world is nothing but a collection of media references then it’s a false idol, dispose of it

I, too, have a non-traditional (read: fucked up) childhood; learn from it, let it go, move on; will you be on your deathbed saying “I’m so glad I spent years re-hashing all the wrongs in my life” or will you say “despite having a fucked up early life, I turned it around and had the best life ever”

Your not a dick
“seems like you still do; does it help you now? do you feel any progress within yourself after the duration of posting videos, etc. here? are you getting the results desired?

I’m not trying to get you to stop doing whatever it is you’re doing, just wondering what the fuck you get out of it; it’s hard to see from the outside, but if your world is nothing but a collection of media references then it’s a false idol, dispose of it

I, too, have a non-traditional (read: fucked up) childhood; learn from it, let it go, move on; will you be on your deathbed saying “I’m so glad I spent years re-hashing all the wrongs in my life” or will you say “despite having a fucked up early life, I turned it around and had the best life ever”

not trying to be a dick, just curious”

That’s important to state. At the moment im changing what i can… Been rehearsing the serenity prayer to myself in my head…
Getting up eating breakfast
Life’s so beautiful and serene with the sky and the ability to breath in how immense the world is.
Thanks for the comment Doc

Women defend the Feminine Imperative, uber alles. Whiteknights and assorted male “allies” do the same. Usually, this rises to the level of personal disagreement and stops there. But what Rollo is pointing to (and I agree) is the *legal regulation* of heterosexual social interaction, with legal action triggered by the transitory whim of individual women. Given that the law has (and its practitioners have) a vested interest in its own expansion, I do not see many social structures standing up to push back against this inertia.

The law is not a shit test to be swatted. The law is a machine, a juggernaut. Thinking that being “alpha” will protect you from the law is utter foolishness. The judge who sentences you for approaching a girl who was just not that into your efforts (however far removed from the event her feeling may be) will not be that girl, herself.

What this moves toward is a society where the boundaries for acceptable interaction are both so narrow and so arbitrary (and the consequence for infraction so dire), that the culture seizes up and suffocates.

I think you are the one projecting and you are putting values i dont hold as if i hold them. I have been a long time lurker on many of the forums since way back from the spearhead. I state this because it seems like you think I am new to “redpill” concepts.

It sound as if you may be the one struggling with anger although if that is the case, there are very very good legitimate reasons to be angry about.

Im not so worried about the race mixing per say, im worried about the satanist or globalist. When Jesus was offered the world by satan, Jesus didnt deny what satan said but countered with scripture stating that “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’

I dont know if you believe in Jesus or not and I know a lot of people have a bad taste of Churchianity in their mouths but that will not discourage me from stating my views from a Biblical perspective.

This “spirit” that furthers womens unrestrained selfishness damages women to being useless for family formation. It turns them into objects of glorified masturbation. But hey, free will, moral agency and the women choose it. Who am I to keep them from their natural consequences. Its not my fault that most women dont understand cause and effect. Any idiot that plays capn-save-a-ho has a very good chance of having a learning experience so as to not do it again.

I view the red pill in a amoral way. Like money, it can be used for good or bad. (You now know i derive my sense of “good and bad” from the Bible).

Like some commentors have touched on, what is the end game? Do we use RedPill knowledge for hedonism? One certainly can though that is not what I advocate in spirit but my flesh is very tempted to the idea of using it in such way.

I have already parlayed my redpill knowledge in getting what I want. I hope it has for you.

“…you are angry at factors outside of you and outside of your control.”

Rugby,

Notice the repeated frustration, fear at the inability to manipulate the lot in sexual relationships?

Searching for meaning in sexual relationships limits out quickly. There isn’t much of consequence of sex in itself, yet men turn it, among other things, into a holy grail of existence.

Read the macho-est of commenters here. Grandpa ScribblerG, SFCTon, and some others. They’ve won the sexual lottery, surfeit of frame. Notice how their writings change when discussing their children? The AMOG changes sharply to a soulful thoughtful placidity. They, too, perceive low value in the physical sex, but HUGE value in the product, their children.

I’m not angry at all. And Red Pill knowledge certainly is getting me what I want. And I don’t lie to myself about what I want. I always wanted what I got now. Safety and security with a heaping of adventure.

I live in a SuperZip, enjoy life, marriage and adult children. I have a good family formation. I love my job/profession and am financially secure. Married Red Pill was my redemption. I was already “alive” and MRP made me much more alive.

“Super Zips” — a term coined by American Enterprise Institute scholar and author Charles Murray to describe the country’s most prosperous, highly educated demographic clusters. On average, they have a median household income of $120,000, and 7 in 10 adults have college degrees.

The end game of Red Pill is: it is a tool to accomplish one man’s purpose and mission.

Not saving the globalist Humankind purpose and mission. I’m certainly against globalism and satanism. Bottoms up solutions for me, not top down.

I was raised Catholic and liked it very much. But I never had any biblical studies. I can reconcile the cognitive dissonance of Religion in the Age of Reason, but can’t abide by Church structure. It’s too transparent and duplicitous. I don’t dislike Christianity. I wouldn’t be here without it.

“This “spirit” that furthers womens unrestrained selfishness damages women to being useless for family formation. It turns them into objects of glorified masturbation. But hey, free will, moral agency and the women choose it. Who am I to keep them from their natural consequences. Its not my fault that most women dont understand cause and effect. Any idiot that plays capn-save-a-ho has a very good chance of having a learning experience so as to not do it again.”

I don’t have those fears. And I get to choose with free will. There are lots of options to choose from. (Cue the Rush song Freewill. The song is about freedom of choice and free will, and you believing in what you decide you believe in.) I’m not afraid to choose.

I’m a starry eyed idealist and paradoxically the bitterest of cynics. I’m just not cynical about the state of affairs with women despite The Dangerous Times.

“Thinking that being “alpha” will protect you from the law is utter foolishness.“

The point is this: RP is a search for universal truths in intersexual dynamics. Alphas, by definition understand the inner workings of human nature, know when to act and how to avoid utter foolishness, including the law.

Notice the repeated frustration, fear at the inability to manipulate the lot in sexual relationships?

Searching for meaning in sexual relationships limits out quickly. There isn’t much of consequence of sex in itself, yet men turn it, among other things, into a holy grail of existence.

That’s where eroticism fills in during an LTR. (Heheh, I’ve been reading Esther Perel, notable for exploring the tension between the need for security and the need for freedom in human relationships)

Eroticism (from the Greek ἔρως, eros—”desire”) is a quality that causes sexual feelings, as well as a philosophical contemplation concerning the aesthetics of sexual desire, sensuality and romantic love. That quality may be found in any form of artwork, including painting, sculpture, photography, drama, film, music or literature.

Hey, I don’t get tired of artwork, photography, or literature. I find meaning in sexual relationships because of the mystery wrapped in eroticism. It’s actually pretty easy to let your mind go to fun places that way. It’s a new thing developed 500 to a thousand years or so ago. ‘Cause humans have brains and can put them to use. For the purpose of security and freedom. That’s always been my goal.

You wrote “Only confident Alpha men, or men well versed in Game, will be allowed to approach women from a perspective of social acceptability” but will there even be any Alphas anymore when all of their power is gone?

In a modern matriarchy men are either draft animals or breeding stock, nothing more.

Agreeing with Rollo’s premise these are ‘Dangerous Times’ it begs the question–would the #metoo movement even be ‘a thing’ if we had a President Hillary Clinton?

Trump is simply the perfect catalyst for women’s hate of masculinity to center on.

I’ve had a lot of friends propose that the real purpose of #MeToo is to take down Trump. They’ve hit a dead end with the Russian conspiracy narrative for a year now. The only other angle they have is the sexual misconduct tip, but a moral panic had to be created and a number of men had to fall in order for it to build up to Trump’s misconduct being an impeachable offense. It had to become endemic in society to raise awareness first. If they had just dropped the Russia angle to get him out of office and picked up the sexual misconduct angle cold it would be too obvious a ploy. Thus, American society had to be warmed up to the idea that men are inherently rapists, harassment is an epidemic and oh, look Trump is one too, why are all these men in jail or losing their jobs and Trump is still in office?

“What this moves toward is a society where the boundaries for acceptable interaction are both so narrow and so arbitrary (and the consequence for infraction so dire), that the culture seizes up and suffocates.”

Not if you don’t let it.

“Notice the repeated frustration, fear at the inability to manipulate the lot in sexual relationships?

Searching for meaning in sexual relationships limits out quickly. There isn’t much of consequence of sex in itself, yet men turn it, among other things, into a holy grail of existence.

Read the macho-est of commenters here. Grandpa ScribblerG, SFCTon, and some others. They’ve won the sexual lottery, surfeit of frame. Notice how their writings change when discussing their children? The AMOG changes sharply to a soulful thoughtful placidity. They, too, perceive low value in the physical sex, but HUGE value in the product, their children.

A frog once asked a psychic to tell his fortune. The psychic said that he would soon meet a beautiful girl who would want to know all about him. The frog asked where he would meet the girl and the psychic told him, “Next semester in biology lab.”

I’d helped lead off the thread with an example of what trying to corral and control Alpha would look like, the Mattress Girl case. Another would be the aged jilted groupie complaining about Gene Simmons of Kiss daring to Gene Simmons her as he did in his distant past, he is legion, he contains multitudes.

I concur with the resident gurus this is no reason to panic. It doesn’t excuse inaction. Just more caution, apply some pro-tip tactics to avoid getting caught in Burn the Beta. BPP’s reddit summary up there sets forth the protocol. The goal is not to badly impersonate Chad, but to evolve yourself beyond hiccupping white knight Gamma face-plants to someone who can shoot and score.

As BPP says, don’t do anything at work with women beyond basic business talk and the occasional non-sexual small talk. No shoulder pats or hugs. The new rules are being drafted now. See the link on NBC’s new “no hugging” rule. Look to see this rule become standard among large businesses, it will be a requirement for them all to maintain Employee Practices Liability (EPL) insurance, which means if you help a woman to her feet without being asked outright, be ready to clear out your desk.

Which is consistent with Lenny Bruce’s old gag about why there are laws against bestiality: you don’t have a law until you have a problem {‘our sheep aren’t safe!”).

In business, always use the Pence Rule, joke ’em if they can’t take a fuck. No need to make a big deal out of it, just shrug and say “them’s the rules”. IF they shit test you make light of it, something goofy like “I don’t see any available potted plants, sorry, not doing a show today.” I know I started a fun food fight over why it should not be dubbed the Pence Rule, just because the guy annoys me, but since that’s the term that’s caught on and everyone gets it, I’m down with it.

Campus social life these days is bad but not as foreboding as some might think, and I know I made some apocalyptic noises along those lines on prior threads. I meant to illustrate the madness, not frighten. Don’t fuck drunk chicks, period, even if they’re conscious and eager enough to want you to. It’ll be a hangover you don’t need when she complains six months later just before your graduation. I’m not saying it’s easy. If I were that age again I don’t know that I’d obey me either.

I know I’ve said in theory a blown approach will get you expelled. Honestly, in reality it will never happen, just don’t be daft.

From the Book of “Duh”: Don’t approach women who exude gender studies or queer sociology. Stick to the feminine. You’ve heard the drill from our learned gentry here. Approach a gal gently. If rejected, learn to smile, say “no problem see you around”, then never speak to her again. No probs, try another, there’s lots more of them than there are of you on campus these days anyway. If you just go away they won’t complain, they don’t have time, you won’t register, you just didn’t get her tingles, you don’t prolong the agony. The more you do the drill the less creeptastic you’ll get. All that still goes. Besides why do you have to limit yourself to approaches on campus only?

Actually fucking on campus? Or after work hours on your own time? Sorry, that is a bit more problematic, that’s life in the big city.

@EhIntellect, observing a dynamic is not an endorsement of said dynamic.

Distilled to it’s essence this is how women in uncontested control of men and masculinity will view men: according to their basest Hypergamous needs and in the context of complete solipsistic self-interests. That isn’t to say anything is unavoidable or men should just lie down and take it.

RolloDistilled to it’s essence this is how women in uncontested control of men and masculinity will view men: according to their basest Hypergamous needs and in the context of complete solipsistic self-interests.

Something more like an ant colony or beehive than a civilization of humans. A society of women owners, a handful of males allowed to breed and a whole lot of neutered workers. Cue kfg.

To be more visual, it’s rather like Galadrial if she got the Ring in Tolkhein. Cue rugby for the vid clip.

The idea is this: extrapolate that attitude to all parts of your life and the transformation is incredible. Death requires us to take final stock in yourself, there’s no solution, game, PUA technique, financial plan that’ll prevent it. Letting go of controlling the small things, lust, greed, etc. allow one to tacklle the big issues and still get pussy, be well off, forgo validation, find acceptance in your own beauty, blah blah blah. You get this.

Feminists, of course. But don’t be so foolish as to conclude that you have exhausted the list. Also law professors who are working to embed YmY into state level rape law…they failed this time. They’ll try again, it is certain. Their hatred is visceral and visible – the mainstream media plays it up as “all women” and who is to say it is not so?

The election voting breakdown should not be a surprise: among white voters, a majority of not-married women (never married singles, lesbians, divorced, etc.) voted for Clinton while a majority of married women voted for Trump. The age at which women first marry continues to increase, it used to be 22 back in the day when some men here got hitched, now it is 27 and soon it will be 28. Because women are their own betas.

Later marriage means the pool of single women voters gets bigger and bigger.

Married women of all colors are not necessarily going to join in the warlock hunt, but neither will they take any action to stop it or even slow it down. This is how VAWA became the law of the land – a relative handful of feminists, with their White Knight sock puppets on board, made sure it was part of the 1994 comprehensive Crime Bill along with an ugly gun ban and Federal funding for “women’s shelters”, plus other stuff. Bill Clinton bought off a lot of feminists with that.

“One strike and you are out” won’t be opposed by any mass of married women, although they won’t like the results at the individual level.

Don’t confuse “is” with “ought”. Rollo’s pointing to what he sees IS happening, he’s not saying it is a good thing that OUGHT to happen.

“I got mine” is not a serious response to the #MeeToo warlock hunt. Paging Pastor Neimoller…

@Sentient: I am above the skill level and able to calibrate so that I can practice and get better at game without getting FRA-gged (not, say, at the workplace, but at clubs etc.). Maybe not comfortably above the threshold which is maybe why I still worry about it, but above nonetheless. But others aren’t…

And how did you get above the threshold? Hold yourself up as an example.

Its definitely difficult, particularly if you are just starting out, however that high barrier of entry means that once you get past a certain point, you have almost no competition.

The main thing nowadays is that you can’t go out and practice willy nilly. If you are trying things for the first time, you need to do it anonymously away from where anyone knows you. Then you will be fine. Its only truly risky if its a place where you’d be recognized.

Like you say, rejection is far more dangerous than it has been now than for most of recent history. Sure, you might be less likely to get your ass beat, but those legal and social consequences you mention can last a whole lot longer than a few broken bones.

However, like I said above, that just means that fewer and fewer men will risk it to get good with chicks.

Positives to everything — starting up is harder/riskier than it was before, but you don’t have to get very good before you are better than all but the top 10%/5%/1% of men. Whereas in the past most men were fairly alpha to an extent, so you had to be REAL FUCKING GOOD to be better than most of them.

The solution is to take it easy, not rush things, until you get a solid foundation. Then you will be able to handle any flack you might get. Even better is to go with a group, particularly getting in a group of well adjusted alpha dudes that can take you under their wing and shield you from negative consequences — if only by being associated with such cool dudes.

So you are right — it is a lot more difficult and risky than most older guys will admit, but it is still doable with some forethought, and there are huge benefits once you get past that huge hump of the initial learning curve.

@burner prime

I think you are right to be a little pessimistic — history teaches you to be as such — but I think you are going a little too far.

Additionally, this idea that its wars that brings women back down to earth — that’s not really it. It is a lack of resources. It wasn’t WWII that killed the feminist movement and postponed its full flowering until the 60’s — it was the great depression. Once shit hit the fan and there was little to go around, flappers went right back to being good little housewives so they could have something to eat.

The only reason you have all this feminist outpouring is because they can. Its only when there are excess resources that such a movement can take place. Look at chimps. Most are male dominated, except bonobos. Bonobos live in areas with tons of natural resources and few predators. Where most chimps live, its not possible for females to take over, since there is no way the group would survive with all the rival chimps, predators, and limited resources around if males weren’t running the show. If the bonobo areas are overrun with predators, or the jungles get burned down, then they will go right back to being male dominated.

Same with humans. Women can only go crazy like this because they have such an excess of resources. Once that gets cut off, then they will calm down and go back to normal.

So yes, if men in enough numbers check out or get RP and stop rewarding bad behavior in women, things will go back to normal, and without having to have a major war or economic collapse.

@consolation

The law is not a shit test to be swatted. The law is a machine, a juggernaut. Thinking that being “alpha” will protect you from the law is utter foolishness. The judge who sentences you for approaching a girl who was just not that into your efforts (however far removed from the event her feeling may be) will not be that girl, herself.

That’s a legit concern. Getting kicked out of a club or feeling embarrassed for getting rejected is one thing. Getting a black mark on your record, doing time, loosing a job, that’s quite another, and new thing that guys with have to deal with.

Its not something you can go “man, fuck it! Just go crazy and test boundaries yo!” In the past, yes you COULD do that (as long as you didn’t go completely nuts, like try to undress a random chick in the middle of a wedding say), but now there are more serious consequences if you fuck up. That’s something I think older guys don’t really understand — the fuckups they had back in the day that got them maybe in a scuffle or run out of a club could now land you in jail or loose you your career.

Again, that’s not to go all doom and gloom and say there is no hope.

That’s not the case at all.

Its just that, until you’ve got those fundamentals, you’ve got to tread lightly and my main thought is going out in a group at first, and limit your solo time until you get better.

It’s not only the girls that you sleep with that can get you in trouble.

It’s any random chick.

Remember when EhIntellect got thrown in jail for consensually dancing with his wife?

I recall a situation where a guy got taken to court for sleeping with an underage girl. The girl had lied about her age though. At the trial, the girl and her family actually admitted that she lied, and they requested that the case should be dismissed.

The judge though had axe to grind and refused to take that into account and the guy was found guilty.

So you can be 100% golden with all the girls you sleep with, but all it takes is a jealous fattie SJW or a judge to get you in trouble.