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Left wing is the only wing in my eyes. (Although the scale is pretty arbitrary.)

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In a very very very brief way, left wing = believe that the rich should help the poorwhile right wing = "work hard and then you can become a millionaire like me" kinda rubbish.

I think the only reason there's left and right wing, is so we're "confused"and believe the words of the highly corrupt, rich tycoons,when there is no way to justify right wingism as it's just a way to sustaintheir highly unethical and illogical agendas, that involve them beinglazy, exploiting and discriminating against the less fortunate,and having a disease-like obsession with seeing their bank account balance go up and up and up.

They make excuses like "you're only poor because you don't work hard enough" when that onlyapplies to a world where there is true equality but this has never been the case in reality so it's invalid.It's a truly hypocritical statement coming from people born in rich familieswho never had to lift a finger to survive or have a comfortable life, yetsome of them make parties from these garbage ideas,i.e. the UK's Conservative / Tory partyand the U.S.A.'s Republican party.Truly selfish parties they are.

Left wing to left centre is the epitome of political fairness.Extreme left (communism for example I think) isn't as bad as American propaganda (e.g. using "commies" as an insult which is just plain idiotic,I even saw it's inappropriate use in Gotham of all shows.... )likes to tell it....it's flawed but its flaws are nothing like that of extreme capitalismwhich is rampant in most countries today, not just western ones.

Here's a quote that describes the nature of the evil right wing,quote by the economist, John Maynard Keynes:

"Capitalism is the astonishing belief that the nastiest motives of the nastiest mensomehow or other work for the best results in the best of all possible worlds.”

Not sure if that's paraphrased but the point still stands.Right wing / capitalism is a tool used by some evil rich peopleto control the masses, become lazy themselves, benefitfor themselves only, be fed by the work done by the poorand less fortunate, avoid proportional tax, etc.

From what I've read, Jeremy Corbyn (from the supposed UK left wing party, the Labour party)and Bernie Sanders (from the U.S. supposed left wing party, the Democratic party)seem like good examples of left wing politicians, a rarity in this day and age unfortunately.

I just hope they're not puppets made out to give us false hope or whatever.Hopefully they will get into power and eradicate this political disease known as extreme capitalism / right wingism.

Really hope they're genuine. There's a chance they could be blackmailed, bribed or whatever.I do know that Corbyn is aware of the right wing media's influence,particularly its lies against left wing ideas and left wing politicians.

I'm disappointed however, that some of the Labour partyappears to be backstabbers, as some have defied Corbyn's left wingand fair ideas, and also some have voted FOR bombing Syria.....That sounds like war....War doesn't sound FAIR or left wing to me.... I bet they were bribed or something. Disgraceful.

Undelos, we need you in these political discussions.

_________________"Sometimes you gotta run before you can walk." - Tony Stark, Iron Man.

I don't know enough about certain aspects of politicsto comment on that lol.Putin seems like an admirable leader (minus some things I disagree with) butfor all I know, it could be an act,probably like Obama and most other politiciansin the world. CONSPIRACY. Yes, not all conspiracy theories are weird. Some are actually fairly logical and a good guess/evidence based guess. Ask Oliver.

_________________"Sometimes you gotta run before you can walk." - Tony Stark, Iron Man.

He thinks we're all idiots.Enough said, really.Politicians usually speak with this level ofpatronisation, over-emphasis, excessive hand gestures,use of pop culture references and other obvious information.Nothing useful or completely sincere.

He doesn't even sound intelligent.He's just talking about stuff we can think for ourselves.It's about as useless as a motivation speech.Actually, NO.........it's MORE useless.Sometimes motivation speeches work a little bit,temporarily.

I have little respect for most right wingersand other corrupt / selfish people.

I have a feeling he just wants to have power overthe internet and suppress the freedom of speech.It's very obvious to someone of average intelligence or greater. I don't even need to explain how obvious his agenda is,or at least the obviousness of the lack of a good underlying motive.

_________________"Sometimes you gotta run before you can walk." - Tony Stark, Iron Man.

Or maybe this isn't actually him speaking. Maybe he's just host to some alien parasite... which is his "hair". It's the only explanation for his terrible ideas. Heck, even our lovingly stupid mayor of London smashed him!

Even though Boris Johnson is a Tory/Conservatuve member (The Tories area very right wing party....hence why the country's gone downhill in the past few years lol)I guess he's still kinda funny in his own unintentional way. I remember there was a video of him tackling a kid,I think in a rugby match. Poor boy barely survived. JK.

But Boris, don't mistake my tolerance for friendship. Until you switch parties and ideological values. Join the left wing....leave the right wing....leave the dark side. Explains a few things.

_________________"Sometimes you gotta run before you can walk." - Tony Stark, Iron Man.

hahaha but for real, one thing I do have to say about this is despite left or right wing, or all that political stuff, I feellike people are demonizing eachother. There are good thingsabout both sides

I'm not talking about us, I'm talking about the media and journalists that control our knowledge on stuff in the world.(for real though, the media has been bugging me recently.Everything is biased now-a-days, and all I want to know issome facts. Like, right now the news is basically just a placewhere a select few people are eseentially ranting what they think.)

I mean, I definitely think people should work hard, and get what they deserve, BUT I also think people should give toothers who need it (and I feel the government has no placein that, because i feel like it is a very personal thing, PLUS I would give more if the government didn't take all my money )

As for Trump, I genuinely don't care... From the lot of all the presidential candidates, the whole nation is going downhill anyways xD So I'll probably just move xP Or the south will rebel again... (Hey, I'd be down for that... I mean, I WAS born in Texas after all ;D )

But trump generally just speaks his mind, and I think that's what a lot of people like about him. No one likes him for hispolitical skills. Like, let's get real... And I mean, he's not even a right-winger. Like sure he thinks people should work hard and stuff... but like, he genuinely is a left-winger, and is "playing" aright-winger in order to get more votes... so essentially, he's just a wee bit crazy... xD

But yes, long story short, what my "American Heritage" class hastaught me, is that they parties, wings, whatever you want to call it, DOES NOT MATTER.

There are 3 things. Freedom, Welfare, and Virtue.

And it is up to us personally, to decide with each law, decision, etc,where the government's job is. Is it meant to protect us? Is it meant to promote a thriving community? Or is it meant to help usbecome better people? Obviously there is no right or wrong answer.Even within my party, things like "Legalizing [drugs]" is a big debate!

What the.....I wrote on my phone...HOW did I write this much????Oh well.

Glory, you're probably a little biased from the fact George W Bush is a Texan and from what the media have told you (especially the likes of the propaganda machine, Fox News...which is even worse than our UK Sky News partially owned by tycoon Rupert Murdoch who use newspapers like the Sun to promote voting the right wing party and attack the left wing opposition via lies, misleading information and shallow emotional propaganda.)as well as for some reason you're pro guns (at least tell me you're pro gun CONTROL? Lunatics shouldn't run around with gun licenses....although I don't know how'd you assess if someone's a psycho....tbh I see the psychosis in many "normal" people with how illogical they are and behave unethically).

Seriously...I spoke to an American who had left and right wing mixed up!He thought helping the poor was a right wing trait!Goodness me....right wing is essentially discrimination of the poor in the economic policies at least.

You're right, there IS a problem with using labels like "left and right wing"because:

1) It oversimplifies things and may lead to confusion and easy propaganda tactics like how right wing elitists call the other side "looney left" which is ridiculous and baseless.

2) The political wing scale is HIGHLY arbitrary.An intelligent friend of mine agreed with me on this, agreeing that the scale is two-dimensional, too linear (a spectrum would be better but still flawed) and is very arbitrary in the list of policies generally agreed in left and right wing parties/ideologies.

E.g. A "right winger" may want a free market (if that's a right wing thing...I'm not knowledgable when it comes to business jargon and things regarding stock markets, etc.)but may still believe the poor should still be helped by the rich.

E.g. A "left winger" may believe in social class equality but be against people taking advantage of the system (tbh the system is taking advantage of US, normal people).

3) It can cause division among people.A right winger for example might be brainwashed into acquiring the right wing belief due to media propagandabut may realise from unbiased sources that they don't actually benefit from a right wing government.(Anyway, even if I was a multi millionaire, I'm not a hypocrite... I'd still be left centre wing because that's generally the most fair, logically.

I believe in a left wing ideology that involves the rich giving more proportionately in taxes based on their in come but simultaneously, ENCOURAGE people to educate themselves and be ambitious.But the education must come from those that can really afford to contribute.You attract more flies with honey (niceness/encouragement)than vinegar (nasty condescending blame that accuses the poor of all being lazy which is ridiculous and unfairespecially in an unequal society).

The rich are always at an advantage so it's not fair to label the bottom 90% if earners "lazy"especially by hypocrite lying politicians that had a silver spoon in their mouths from birth (meaning, they never had to lift a finger to get their position in government / corporation / banking system.Of course it still takes work but much much more is required if you're part of the bottom 90%(Everyone on this forum.)

A multi millionaire won't miss 5,000 pounds/dollars, etc.but a working class person (most people in most countries)would be like....totally dead if they had to pay that in taxes...Or at least in debt or struggling very badly.

And Glory, I'm pretty sure you're still classed as working class (or if you're quite well off, probably entry level middle class, e.g. doctors, professors, lawyers, surgeons, politicians, etc. I THINK tend to be middle class.But most jobs are working class, EVEN SCIENTIST JOBS! Blasphemy!!!But someone's definition of middle class may vary.It doesn't matter though, none of us are rich enough to be classed as the top 10%whether you "work hard" or not.

Anyway, even if you were middle class, you still may be paying too much in taxes compared to someone earning more than you, in a proportionate sense.If this is the case, (I haven't got data so can't confirm my suspicions)then I believe it was done deliberately by the governments to subconsciously make entry level middle class (probably the majority of middle class)feel like they're experiencing the same "problem" that the upper class elitists claim ("you're taxing me and my business too much!!!").

This in turn encourages more people to identify with the elitists (multi millionaires in governments, etc.)and alienate the poor essentially by making poor people (entry level middle class over taxes and overworked)go against the poorer (working class) when it comes to election time.But it's a good thing there are still middle class people who see through the lies and bias in the right wing dominated media. And some that may benefit (via tax breaks)might still do the right thing, which is to do what's best for the majority, not those who can afford to contribute more.It's the ethical thing to do.In the UK, there's been reports of deaths because the disabled are put through more rigorous "measures" to ensure no one is pretending to be disabled and claim more money....which is further stupid because any benefit fraudsters would be a minority.....the money they steal from the tax payer is TINY compared to corporate tax evasion.I think Facebook used a legal loophole (perhaps a tax haven country)to only pay just over 4,000 dollars in tax.....despite £35 million bonuses!!! (That's over 50 million dollars...).

You probably don't believe me, I dunno, but I truly believe the case is that corruption bleeds through society more deeply than simply corporate tax evasion (which I disagree with too, the companies owe the country that made their business boom).The rich (elitist millionaires that control society)have more to gain by making the working + middle class work harder for less money AND with worse working conditions and worse living standards while putting more money in the pockets of the millionaire tycoons.

Glory doesn't believe me, does she?So whenever I hear people claim Hollywood is "left wing biased"it makes me angry because how can a corporation want anything but capitalism?They're just trying to trick people into thinking the left wing are evil and hold a monopoly...when in fact is the right wing that hold the power....makes sense considering corruption often leads to selfish methods of making the poor, poorer and the rich, even richer.

Also there's something weird about U.S. politics.The "left wing" democratic party is in charge yet poverty still plagues the U.S.,Poor (most normal citizens) have to pay ridiculously high amounts of money for university fees and basic health care!Either the democratic party is corrupt, or someone else corrupt is stopping progress happening.

If the Republicans are far right, and the democratic party is not much different,left wingism seems to be really ignored.What's this "Obamacare" thing?Was it a genuine left wing policy (free or cheaper health service for all tax payers)that was demonised by right wing Republicans? (I've seen insults on Obamacare on the net but never researched what it was)

Is it the right wing Republicans that stopped such a just cause?I would guess it's because some morally bankrupt millionaires don't want to pay for other people's health careAnd only want to pay for their own which is really selfish.

Many of these corrupt millionaires just stash their tax evasion earnings away abroad and die without spending that much of it.(In which case, the money goes to their children.....And the vicious cycle continues.)

I feel if people were educated with unbiased, common sense driven political lessons in schools, we'd see people less susceptible to falling for right wing propaganda.

To truly absorb what I'm saying, you have to remove yourself from the label and understand that very rich corrupt portion of society (not all rich people are corrupt, and not all high positions people are corrupt but you know what I mean)are just making it a "us versus them" thingAnd getting more people to accept the corrupt system. Smh. It's no wonder they have hold of most media outlets...they have a lot of money to play with, hencethe UK right wing party the Tories / conservatives spend a lot of money on publicity and propaganda.

Things really need to change in countries like the UK and U.S. where the poor and disabled's labour (work, often manual labour)benefits the rich while the poor are forced through austerity measures (unnecessary, look it up!)causing more people to get in debt, thus generate interest money for the rich bankers and others.It's messed up that around 97% of money in this country is digitally created and comes from DEBT.Thus this system is biased:No one in debt? = no more money....No economic growth.It's a disgraceful system. Money does NOT trickle down from the rich...that is A LIE.It trickles from the POOR to RICH.Again, from the bottom 90% we essentially fund the top 10%.

I'm not really surprised. I know it's the 21st century we're supposed to be more civilised and fair but kings and emperors and bankers have been doing unethical things like this for centuries.And considering each generation is poisoned by these ideas of taking from the POOR and giving to the RICH,it was bound to continue.It should be that the RICH contribute to the POOR.This would make a fairer society and people would have more of a chance to start their own businesses, make a decent living, pursue jobs they actually enjoy....AND would introduce more creative progression.I.e. In the last century and earlier, only rich people could really have the education and funding for being a scientist, inventor, business man, person of government, etc.It's actually still pretty much like that nowadays.Humanity's progress and growth is being stunted by the greed of a few. (Usually just the world's top 1% dictate how things work)

1) I actually really like this... No, Not because i'm one of those people that is like "Oh i love debates" (haha i mean, those people are great, but that's not just me) -- but I genuinely don't know anything xD I mean, I do, but I don't... you know? But because I've been raised in a VERY conservative house-hold. I mean, There are some things I really disagree with each side/party/wing/what-have-you, but I feel like, since I'm on my own, at university, it is the perfect time to actually asses what I believe and why I believe it. So

So that being said, I don't know all the facts, and I mean, I really don't know much more than what I've heard and observed.

2) I was on my phone, and I spent half an hour squinting at that text, so now I had to pull out the big guns (my laptop) to read it hahaha

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Okay, let's get down to business, shall we? ^.^

** side note, so I just googled obamacare (affordable care act) and can I just say how much I HATE the media? with a burning passion? "Is it working" "blah blah blah" ---- can I please just know what it actually is please? k thx bye

Okay so yeah, I'm gonna start with obamacare-From What I Understand it is a TAX (not a law, if they made it a law it would be illegal, i remember that much, and so they made it a tax... I don't know how exactly it all works) that basically makes sure everyone has healthcare (which is good, I'm down with that... kind of... .... i dunno actually, i mean in theory it's good...)

(dang if only we had this conversation when I was in my Current World Problems class)

But yeah, if you don't have healthcare, you'd get taxed a lot, and some people actually choose to pay the tax than get healthcare...

Businesses have to be able to provide healthcare for people, if they have a certain amount of workers working a certain amount of hours. If they don't they get taxed.

It was a democratic idea, and it is led by the democrats, and the republicans want to get rid of it, yes.

One Small Detail yeeeaaah.... 10%? heh.. heh... ermm... I mean, personally I DO NOT make that kind of money... but yeah... I do have a pretty easy life :/ (yes I know this. Yes I've been ridiculed about it. And apparently because of this I "won't be able to ever understand the world" because I've been "sheltered" so yeah... but I really do want to understand things...)

Hollywoodoh boy... yeah they're democrats alright... haha and actually a lot of them are scientologists too... it's how so many people get connections (tom cruise is the only one I can name off the top of my head) (and scientology is freaking messed up man... but anyways, that's besides the point)... hmm well, from what I see in my life... the media is VERY left-wing heavy. The right-wing is nearly always misrepresented ... not everyone is like donald trump xD To look for Conservative news, you have to look really hard. But yeah, a lot of them do say REALLY stupid stuff...

(another media rant) FOR REAL THO, can we stop having biased news channels? I just want to know what is happening in the world... and then go somewhere else for the why. LIKE, what about wars? Why are we killing so many innocent people? Is there something that I don't know? like Why would my parents support something like this?? But of course, I can't look ANYWHERE for an answer to this... because everyone is going to be biased about it...

okay back on topic... yeah, being a left-winger is the "popular thing to do". THOUGH, I would say that I do think it's more of a millenial thing. Like, older generations are still more conservative, religious, etc. But yeah... Everywhere I look I see things that disagree with me. Why would a corporation be left-wing? --> I don't know. But they are. Well, they SAY they are. Hollywood is filled with mostly democratic people, and yet they are so greedy (not all the time, but you know what I mean)

So really, I just genuinely think America is too far gone. Everyone is corrupt. (not everyone, but again, you know what I mean) I just think there is no way to get any real information anymore, and people are putting their hearts in the wrong places. (moeny, etc)

Gun Controlhmm, yeah that's one thing... Everyone should have guns. I mean, I now how to shoot and load lots of types of guns. I think all teachers and professors should have a gun in the classroom and should be trained to use it. I don't think people should be restricted on having guns. As for "testing" or anything, I have no idea... I'm not even going to pretend to know about the rest of that.

Media... i was going somewhere with this.... but I just forgot what I was going to- OHHH

Well, as for the fox news telling lies-- Ehh i think they all do... (so, a little backstory, I'm going into communications, and so it my roommate... SHE's going into journalism *shudder*, I am going into public relations (public speaking and that sort of thing)... and she's always like, "you should work for a newspaper or something" "...no." "but all of the communications are sort of the same" "no. i hate the media." .... that all being said of course i read, watch, and listen, BECAUSE WHERE ELSE AM I GOING TO GET MY NEWS FROM .... sorry... It's late... and I'm just in one of those moods xD hahaha)

but yeah, I think they all tell lies about each other.

Working Up The Chain Yes. The statistics say the likelihood of moving up the chain is very very low. Even lower in households with only one parent. And then there's the whole race thing... (ugh why are people so dumb.. Can't everyone just be treated the same please? okay thanks) But, I told, you, I've had an easy life. My dad didn't go to college. He joined the airforce. They lived in japan, and used my moms shipping boxes as furniture. And he just kept on working, and now life is relatively good... I know a woman who lived in africa. Her husband was a politician I think, and he got shot and killed. So she got her kids, rode in a FREEXER CAR of a train for 3 days, spent all their money getting to america, and here she lived the rest of her life and she was one of the most amazing people I have ever met.Obviously, it is not a rule, it is an exception (which is sad, I wish more people were able to do this)... But also, this all being said, i don't know everything. I don't know every success story and every fail story.

that terrrrm...Now you used brainwashed.... haha no worries... people have told me many times before... but i just wanna clarify some things...

There are very smart people who are republicans.There are very smart people who are democrats.There are very smart people who are religious.There are very smart people who do no believe in God.

(I can go on and on)... now, just one thing. I'm not saying I'm smart like some of these people. OH HECK NO. I am definitely not smart haha, BUT. I have been told that I am "brainwashed" for half of those things on that list.

Do you think I am dumb enough to do that? (not necessarily you personally.. I hope you know this, and I'm not offended, because I've been told this before... so pllleeeeeaase i still love you with a fiery passion xD )

but yeah.. I dunno... it's terms like that, that people throw around... and I really just feel like it's on purpose.#conspiracyTheory but i mean, It genuinely feels like someone (i don't know who) is trying to pit everyone against each other, and it's just really sad. Like, think about it. It's the same tool ISIS is using to get more recruits. When people see the stuff ISIS does, some say "We should ban all Muslims" then Muslims start to hate us, because we're hating them. Bam.

I just think, the Right-wingers ho are portrayed in the media, are purposefully put there to make people against it.

Ugh, I would just LOVE to be there with the founding fathers. Is it just me? I mean. The true IDEA of america, is so pure and good. I just wish I was there, so that I could know why they did what they did. you know?

I feel like that would help us out a lot.

But here we are, like lets use gun control as an example, threatening to get rid of what e originally thought was a God-given right.... well... what do we do? Did they know what the possibilities were? the school-shootings? the murders? well... they knew what the opposite was...

I dunno... i dunno i dunno i dunno...

it's so hard... A lot of people would say that others blindly follow religion. And yet, here I am, I would do everything for my religion. I know why I would, and I know why it is important to me, and I figured this all for myself. BUT, with my political beliefs? HECK I have no idea!Maybe sometime when I see my parents I will actually bring it up... because I mean... I hear so much, but I have no idea what is true (obviously, they would be biased, but I do look up to them...)

If I ruled the World Well not really... but as I was in my American Heritage class... We actually covered a lot of deep concepts... Now a lot of things depend on whether you think people are inherently good, or if they are inherently evil. I personally think they are good. But I would say government should be out of everything.All schools should be charter-like school. Those things are freaking amazing. Legalization of drugs? Sure! (lets treat it like alcohol, though... with the whole driving thing)Abortion? (morally i think it is wrong, but in this case...) SURE! people should do whateverWars? -- America should generally stay out of other people's beeswax. They all hate us anyways,

i dunno, see this is all VERY simplified... VERY VERY VERY!and I mean, ask me in a day and I'd probably change my mind, because it really does depend on a lot..

Oh, but my perspective on what the wealthy should do? Carnegie... I agree with a lot of what he says... He was so wealthy, but he always believed in giving back. I think we need more people like that, and less taxes.

*shrugs*

I also believe that a government that can supply everything you need, is the one who can take it all away. But, i mean, A government would NEVER treat it's own citizens like that, right? ESPECIALLY america!*picture of the Japanese internment camps during WWII after the attack on Pearl Harbor*

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but anyways...

See? I went through all that, but in the end, I really don't know anything... But I would argue, that MOST people don't know anything...

I mean, can't we all just do our best to be good people and leave it at that?

I dunno...(I feel like i've really swayed off the path of where you were going hahahaha, sorry xD Like I said, it's late hahaha)

Long post but tried adding pics to make it more interesting. I would have added subheadings but it's so unorganised....it's almost random.

Yeah, I don't really like debates unless it's a fun "let's get to the bottom of this problem" type debates.Rather than the "I'm right and you're wrong kid!" sort of stupid arguments on YouTube. xD(Land of idiots....seriously....many commenters are really illogical and unfair...I have to wonder if they actually *think* before they type lol. )

Anyway, the following post intends no offense (you know I wouldn't deliberately insult you....I'm not like that....usually. )

But I will warn you...I'm going to explain why I think you're brainwashed (you asked anyway ).But the way I explain may be....insensitive (not my intention but it's probably going to a annoy you a little due to what you've been raised to think by your government, school, family, friends, community, your specific state's cultures, etc.)

But it's great you're thinking like this (as in, you want to see both sides of the story and more,since you're in uni and stuff and want to gain an independent view more free from bias agendas.)

Gloryangel wrote:

Okay so yeah, I'm gonna start with obamacare-From What I Understand it is a TAX (not a law, if they made it a law it would be illegal, i remember that much, and so they made it a tax...

Uh....Glory, you weren't sleepy when you wrote that, were you? I'm not going to pretend I know a degree's worth of information about politics....but that paragraph sounds kind of strange to me.I never considered it a law, (and how could it be illegal if it's a law? ) I don't know why you may have thought that.I guess it's the stupid biased news....the more biased ones tend to skiplogical parts of explanations and go straight to their opinions.The news lied to me too!

One of the least biased news channels we have is BBC News

(which doesn't come as a surprise since it's payed for by the tax payer compared tohaving shareholders manipulate privatised news channels like Sky News which are muchmore biased and unfair and promote "far right" wing ideas and parties, like "hur hur these poor people are lazy".)They never give a fair assessment.

However, I can't completely rule out the BBC is unbiased,because there have been a few instances where I thought what they were saying,involved scaremongering (copy cat behavior towards what other, more biased media outlets do)or a wider agenda (possibly forced/bribed onto the country's news channels for all I know)but certainly it's one of the better ones. So I pick the lesser poison. I definitely think there's a chance that if the 9/11 attacks were staged / caused bythe government, then it may explain when the BBC reported that the tower wascollapsing.....minutes before it actually did. (Although in their defence, they did claim it was a "mistake" or assumption or something...)I still have my suspicions. I've done some research and am leaning towards"it probably DID involve the government" but I can't confirm this conspiracy theory.Especially as any evidence either doesn't exist or no longer exists / was hidden.

Apparently one theory suggests that they caused the attacksso they can reduce our rights (NSA vs privacy, anyone? "Because terrorism".)and make an excuse to go to war in the middle east to get some oil.....and thus make more money. I can totally believe that actually.Like with the Syria air strikes...How would more strikes solve anything? We've been doing this for like....over a decade...YET there's been MORE terrorist activity rather than less....

ALSO, what's the point in the UK joining in with more airstrikes?The U.S. has done like....over a thousand strikes (I don't have exact numbers with me....a quick Google search could probablygive details)while other countries close to that number (in the hundreds).What is another couple of hundred of airstrikes when there have already been over 8,000by all the airstriking countries (UK, U.S., Russia, Australia, France, etc.).People don't question things enough and that's the problem...Ignorance is letting these politicians do what they want.Besides...the airstrikes are killing civilians and it's evident they don't even knowwhere the terrorists are after "fighting" them for over a decade.Who are they kidding us? They're there for oil!

I have a feeling Jeremy Corbyn (the opposition leader (left wing: Labour) to our current right wing: (Tories/Conservatives)government)probably knew all about the oil scheme....but obviously there must be somethingstopping him from speaking out against it....(maybe the media would try to destroy his careerlike they've already tried by saying he's "UNELECTABLE" which is PURE NONSENSE and instead justTory propaganda. So because he's a left winger, he's "unelectable"....only dumb people will listento the news without question. unfortunately there are a lot of dumb or ignorant peoplebut education makes everything better. We need politics lessons....unbiased ones mind you.)

The Tories in fact made a YouTube propaganda video (hahaha it was removed a few days later...WONDER WHY? )against Corbyn, claiming he's a "terrorist lover"....when actually theydeliberately took something he said WAY OUT OF CONTEXT:They claimed he was "friends" with the terrorists (ISIS I think?)and that Corbyn apparently said "Bin Laden's death was a tragedy".PURE PROPAGANDA. He actually said something along the lines of"tragedy of JUSTICE". As in, the courts should have had him,with a fair trial....not a death sentence. (A left wing idea is that the death penalty is wrong, and I agree for many reasons.)Also.... Corbyn said he only called the terrorists "friends" because he refers tomost people like that.....because if you say "our friends in ISIS or Hamas or whatever it was"instead of "THESE PIGS IN ISIS" you're more likely to get the enemy to reason with you,right?

But yeah, if you don't have healthcare, you'd get taxed a lot, and some people actually choose to pay the tax than get healthcare...

I...I don't even.... Really? This makes no sense (either you've misinterpreted something or how the UK and U.S. work are very different).Over here, health care is free (payed for by tax payed by everyone).I've never heard of having to choose between being taxed and having health care! You sure you heard correctly? That sounds very odd.So if you can't afford health care....you get taxed just because of it?????Wouldn't that like....be really unfair to the poor? You must have missed something, such an illogical system can't exist without beingridiculed for doing something so weird and unfair like that.

Businesses provide healthcare? I'm so confused... Well anyway, it's sad the Republicans wanted to get rid of itbecause the poor, weak and disabled in your country could have reallybenefited from it. Also, it's a really nice system (like our NHS / National Health Service)because whether rich or poor, you'd be able to get free health care! But the selfish never rest. I feel it's also linked with pharmaceutical corruption. (They often charge huge amounts ofmoney to health care organisations for drugs for medication....They even rip off the NHS!With these guys, it's profits over people....smh. )

About you being sheltered...for being "well off".I honestly have no idea what kind of income you personally get in your family.UK and U.S. economies are a bit different.You American peoplez often talk about 5 dollars like it's nothing. £5 here....can you get you a decent hot meal or two, maybe a few meals if you shopfor ingredients in supermarkets. (Bread loafs are about £1, give or take depending on the brand.)

I think the UK minimum wage salary is about 13k a year....which is pretty bad.U.S. one is about 15k a year. (Equivalent to 10k British pounds! So, even worse.)Now either the U.S. has a bigger poverty problemor U.S. living conditions are better (things are cheaper)...I think it's probably a bit of both.I think the UK's starting salary for teachers is something like 22k a year....I'm no expert but I think that'sstill fairly low....That's a bit of struggle for a family.30k - 40k is probably alright. Comfortable I'd say.50k a year and above is pretty nice.

Do you really have "50 cent" stores in the U.S.? Or is that a joke in some movies/TV shows?The lowest I've heard here is "99p stores" which is 1p less than £1.I guess it depends on where you live....maybe where I live might be moreexpensive where Oliver lives. (Oliver doesn't live in London though....but in England yeah.)

Well you might be sheltered....It depends on if you've ever experienced povertyor can guess accurately what it's like. (It's not nice... I mean, I never went below mild povertybut either case isn't nice. I'm neither rich nor poor but I would say I'm probably somewhere in working class.Most jobs are. Even teachers, scientists, etc. While footballers get payed MILLIONS. Nice priorities, society! )

Scientologists....? I really don't think that's anything to do withleft wing stuff at all (I may be wrong) but ....I don't see how hollywood cares for left wing ideas (like helping the poor)because....aren't the studios kinda....greedy? For profit?I mean they spend a lot of money on preventing piracy....when they could have spent that on making decent films! Seriously a lot of movies are terrible these days. (Or unoriginal.)But not gonna lie, some stuff is decent. (But I can do better. )I would have thought the people rich enough to dictate the government wouldalso be controlling the media and Hollywood?

You find it difficult to find conservative news?Aren't like, most of them right wing biased?

In the UK, most are like that, ESPECIALLY NEWSPAPERS.Garbage like The Daily Mail, The Sun, (Murdoch properties....again)are just there to help promote the Tories and mess with the poor. )The comments section in the Daily Mail newspaper website articlesare like a DISEASE. There's always like a dozen peoplesaying rubbish like "hahahahaa leftist loonies! Communism doesn't work!"

Same kind of propaganda I see in the U.S. when communism is used as an insult.(Totally unfair...and I read that the inventor of communism never intended it to be likewhat we've seen in the 20th century....with corrupt dictators...and I agree.It could have been so much better but I still prefer a left centre society rather than far left communism society.So a society where the poor receive help BUT are also encouraged to work with ambitionrather than forced to find work. Would you rather be forced to do what you're told orbe inspired to take a new ambition? )

The biased news channels aren't gonna go away.They're part of an agenda. (I don't know what it is...whether it's just money stuff, population control, etc.)BTW I don't trust GMO foods.

Glory, when you say being a democrat is the "popular thing to do"that really makes me thing you're brainwashed. It's that psychological technique....the same one that makes peoplewant to be "hipsters".People want to be "different". So what do they do?They believe the rumour (propaganda) that "ohhhh you're a democrat voter...the popular thing to do...typical." This is really an unfair thing they spread around.It's really irrelevant. Even if it is more popular, that's probably becausea lot of Americans can at least sift through SOME of the right wing propagandaand see that mostly left wing policies are more fair.But not all Americans are this clever and just believe what politicians tell them.I mean....U.S. politics are WEIRD.It's a drama piece! It's a reality TV show! It's a joke.

Let me explain:Republicans stereotyped as religious, gun-obsessed nutters.Democrats stereotyped as "drug addict politically correct, terrorist sympathiser liberals."Do people really not see through this scam?? In the UK, we don't have all that drama. (Maybe a little.)There aren't appointed personalities for parties. (But logical people would be able totell you our current government is the "nasty party" because of how they discriminate against the poor.)

I'm left wing (left centre specifically) and I am in no way someone that takesdrugs...I don't care for politically correctness (I say what I think but I try to avoid being mean)....terrorist sympathiser (I'm certainly not one of those)....I'm NONE of these.

It's pathetic that they have to use shallow personality tactics to trickpeople into hating a party simply because they don't understand basic politics.(Maybe the average citezen? Most people don't get along well with politics....for good reason...most politiciansare liars. But I feel Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most genuine I've ever seen yet.)

(Let me just say, when I say "brainwashed" I don't mean, "turned into a zombie" kind of thing like in moviesbut just that your beliefs have been influenced by propaganda.)

In the U.S. don't you peoplez have to pledge to the flag or something as a KID?

Brainwash them while they're young! (Come on, you were never suspicious of that?)A kid shouldn't take an oath he/she doesn't understand, certainly not forced to do it.And in particularly it create an unhealthy elitist attitude towards America and other countries.And all that hollywood propaganda saying "HECK YEAH 'MURICA" and "USA number !!!!111"and "USA....land of the free".

I really am disgusted by it. It implies that no other country in the worldis "free". (Most "1st world" countries are really similar, so this "my country is better than yours" thingmakes no sense.)

When you're enclosed in a big bubble like in the U.S., you're bound tobe susceptible to propaganda and be completely unaware of other countries.The education system in my opinion in the UK and U.S. are pretty poor.(Maybe in some areas at least.)I mean.... a lot of Americans always think England = UK/Great Britainwhen it's only a part of it. That's like saying the state Washington = the whole U.S.A.!

I've been told that a lot of evil is caused by ignorance and I think it's true.Anyway, I'm kinda against being overly patriotic to your country.I mean, I like my country, it's flag, what it's achieved that the rest of the worldhasn't, etc. But I'm not going to pretend it's the best country ever (even if I was so narcissistic) .There is no best country. Every country has something lame about them.

It also causes division....when some Americans act too patriotic online,you see many non-U.S. commenters flame them for being stupid.It causes unnecessary hate. We should all like/get along with each other.(And we shouldn't take credit for what our countries have done, good or bad.We are all individuals who happened to be born in a certain country purely by chance.)

I once saw a YouTube comment where someone said something like"Jesus ain't no socialist.....he's a true patriot...."

Problem number:1) Why is the commenter talking about Jesus? He ain't involved in politics bro.2) Don't dis socialism just because you were brainwashed into thinking"OOOHH communism = bad = anything left wing is bad therefore"Seriously....some people are a lost cause. Communism isn't bad. (Not completely anyway)But Fascism is bad. (Xtreme right wing....yeah missed the e because Dragoon is breathing down my neck... )

3) Jesus ....NOT a socialist?Most socialist values are really fair and moral....wouldn't it make sense for Jesus to be PRO-equality for example?I'd think he wouldn't want people to be too poor.You only have to Google Jesus was a left winger / lefty or something like that.(I'm not the best to talk about Bibilic references as I've never read the Bible in itsentirety so I would be pretty ignorant in this topic but I'm pretty sureif Jesus existed, he was a nice guy, and most likely a left winger going by hispersonality traits and values. Jesus doesn't appear to me as someone whowants the rich to pay (unreasonably) less taxes... That would make no sense.)(Glory I honestly think you don't qualify for what I mean "RICH".And even if you were a millionaire, you don't come across to me as selfish....in fact you seemcompassionate and caring for others. )

4) Jesus....a PATRIOT? The education system failed this guy... I didn't know Jesus was an American.

If your taxes under the democrats are causing your life to bea bit tough, THEN you're paying too much taxes.BUT that doesn't mean the system is too left wing....it's still too right wing.Because most likely they OVER tax (proportionally speaking according to income)the working class and middle class (lol as George Carlin the famous American comedian said,"the working class are there to scare the middle class into working harder" )Pretty accurate. (Real quote contains inappropriate language but close enough. )(WARNING, George Carlin's comedy often contains adult humour/language. )

He's a great comedian. I told Undelos about him too.

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So you say you're right wing but maybe that's still not technicallywhat's best for you. (Either way, I'd personally choose whichever is more fair,regardless if I lose money....as long as I'm comfortable, I'm willing to help those less fortunate...But I can't donate to like every homeless person....I'm not rich enough for that! So I assume it's the millionaires' moral duty to do that....oh and the government....

But our current government STINKS though. They're selfish liars. They said they wouldn'tcut "tax credits" which is a tax-funded benefit of ours to help those less fortunate...GUESS WHAT HAPPENED....as soon as they got into power....literally months later theythreatened to cut the tax credits....and LOST! Hahaa! But sadly they're messing....they find other ways to take money from normal people. (They really don't want us to have comfortable lives, do they? I mean, there's austerity hereso it's clear they have ulterior, selfish motives. They spent more than the last left wing government yetblame them for the deficit! Ridiculous.)

They should be cracking down on tax evading millionaires, not vulnerable peoplestruggling to pay rent! I don't know how bad the republicans are butit's clear our current government (Tories) are far right wing and really unfair and corrupt.)

You said having guns is a "God given" right.WHY do you think that?Seriously, religion/God has NOTHING to do with guns,a terrible human invention to kill other humans. What you said ("guns are a God given right")REALLY sounds like you just subconsciously regurgitatedwhat the corrupt Republican politicians say, like....totally word for word. Always question things. And yeah I don't know what this"it's not constitutional" excuse means but I bet it isn't good enough.Guns should be controlled, but they should go after the criminals first.But they probably won't out of self interests and well....good luckfighting the mafia. (JK, it's probably mostly poser gangs now with no class but serious connections.)

And yeah I've done things that "take a lot of willpower"but I don't go around telling people "HEY why aren't you being as motivated and working hard like I am??? SHAME ON YOU"because I know that's really not realistic.No one is born equally. We're all very different...disabilities, abilities, different thingsinterest different people....different barriers, etc.I mean I can't expect everyone to be a scientist just because I want to be.And say you worked hard to lose weight....It's not logical to suggest that purely because YOU can do it....that everyone can. :/

A problem I find with right wing ideologies is that they act likeeveryone is the same....we're not clones.We can't all work hard at the same level.

Poverty, genetics, upbringing, etc. make massive differences in how successfulwe are.But I guarantee you....the way it works now, is because ofCORRUPTION / selfishness. I bet a lot of these rich Republicans don't believea word of what they say and know it's an excuse to take advantage ofthe working population.

I think that our definitions of right wing probably vary.The only right wing thing I've heard you say (apart from the propaganda)is that you're pro guns (gun control? Dunno you didn't explain that well)and that you think you're taxed too much.I think you probably are sheltered a bit and don't see howbad others less fortunate than you, have to deal with things as it's not an even level playing field.But I can't judge you, especially as I don't actually knowyour income, how big your family is, working conditions, living prices in the U.S./your state, etc.

But as a general rule of thumb, if the tax you payis making you struggle a bit, then you're being taxed too much.If you're still pretty well off, then you've got nothing to complain about IMHO.(Assuming I have all the correct information and am not misinterpreting your situation.)

But that's only if you've got plenty.But obviously those who earn more than you, should pay moretax. It's the fair thing to do.(And many proper rich people don't even deserve the money they makebecause millionaires mostly get their money via deceptive, exploitive ways orsimply just by inheriting millions.....which compared to someone being born in a normal/poorfamily, it's really unfair to say the poor person was "lazy" which right wingmedia outlets like to force down our throats. :/)

I'm not trying to make you feel bad about your country, Glory,but honestly from what I've heard/read....The U.S. was founded on things like slavery and conspiracy.I wouldn't be proud of America in that regard.(As in, I don't think it's wise to worship the founding fathers.Of course I lack the historical knowledge about them so don't knowif some of them were good people, but I highly doubt they were angels and saints.)

Even with Vladamir Putin....the guy acts like a boss.

(LOL) DOGE (the meme)! The propaganda about him with fighting bears and holding a sniper rifle,being an ex-KGB (some kind of elite Russian agent...and that one is actually true....the guy can fight like a boss)BUT despite this apparent awesomeness, I have to consider the other side of the argument.He probably has killed people. But I can't say anything without researching properly.

Never meet your idols/celebrities! :trollface:JK.

So yeah I wouldn't bother getting too focused on founding father stuff.And while some pride is cool, there's no point being "too proud"about the soil beneath your feet in my opinion.The UK has done brilliant things and terrible things,likewise with the U.S. and so I won't be some sheep worshipingmy country just because it's a trend to do so.I may like my country but I'm no blindly following patriot.I think more people should think like me, thenthere would be less international division and more rational thinking and progression.(Why are people making Korean leader memes intended to offend?Some are pretty funny but you don't want to just provoke someone for no reason.)

But this is a good thing one of the founding fathers said (don't quote me...I don't know much aboutU.S. history...I just found this on Google and it seems fair)("Against the tea party"....yeah I agree...I've only heard bad things aboutthe tea party.)

I believe the U.S. only really became a world super power because of World War 1 and 2.If WW1 and WW2 didn't happen, the U.S. most likely would have beena lower tier 1st country at best in my opinion. (Nothing wrong with that, but I'm just sayingthat America only got this power through blood shed. They supplied arms and other suppliesin exchange for money while the European leader countries of the world were fighting againstthe Nazis, etc. and then the U.S. was the last one standing so to speak since they didn't haveto take as much economic/"collateral" damage and actually economically benefited from it.

Ever heard the saying that war is the biggest business? It's kinda true sadly.

Russia used a lot of men when they fought yet they're still a world super power....I don't know how they do it....and I don't agree with everything Russia's government do butI have respect for a country that can get back on its feet like that. But there's always a catch... I don't know if the Russian people are happy in their economic climate.)

Hey you heard of the "New World Order" conspiracy?I find it fascinating. One of those theories suggest the elitists (behind the U.S. government, banks, hollywood, etc.)want to create a one world government, control us, have a monopoly of the world's money reservesor something....And one version of the theory says that Russiachallenges this by opposing the dollar becoming a monopoly.Blah blah blah something about oil....It's quite interesting and I have no idea how true it is....(Can Putin really be trusted? I know the U.S. government definitely can't be,but isn't the Russian government corrupt too? Or maybe it is, but in a different way. )

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if your government turned their backon the citezens because they've done it lots of times before.Like you said with the Pearl Harbor incident, slavery, social class war, (huge gap between the mostrich and the most poor), fluoride (neurotoxin that reduces your IQ, is found in rat poison, is a waste product of thealuminium industry, etc.)is in U.S. tap water....Not to mention antibiotics, possibly drugs, the HIV studies, etc.

Aluminium is also a neurotoxin (linked to Alzheimer's disease )found in many types of cookware (and "tin" foil....it's really just aluminium foil).

Organic, natural foods area safer bet. (Thoroughly wash veggies to reduce pesticide content.)I don't know why your government want to poison you peoplebut according to what I've read, it's probably linkedwith the fact that the pharmaceutical companies are corruptand often produce toxic drugs (I try to avoid needing medicine in generalif I can but I WON'T recommend people like cancer patients to avoid thembecause I don't actually know of a natural alternative that 100% works...I don't want anyone's death to occur because of me....I'm stillon the fence on this one too. If you eat healthily, you most likely won't need medicines anyway. )

You also have to consider that the cancer treatment and research industry is worth billions....Seriously....people profit from other peoples' suffering. Chemotherapy and radiation aren't that great treatments butI don't know any alternatives so I really can't comment. :/I would just try to avoid getting cancer as much as possible byeating healthily, not getting too stressed over things, exercising regularly (andfairly strenuous) and avoid spiking your insulin levels (consume foods withlower glycemic indexes, don't consume too much sugar or too much food in one go, etc.)

Also I just want to say that, religion has no place in politics,at least in terms of left vs right.You can speak of a religious reason you disagree with somethingbut I don't agree with the Republicans trying to gainvoters simply by the shallow method of being known as "mostly Christian"so then a lot of Christian people jump on the band wagon. But yeah, I'm not religious (I believe a God exists though, and POSSIBLY Jesus may have existed).And it's true that statistically Democrats are on average moreintelligent than Republicans:

Spoiler:

(Red colour refers to Republican majority, blue colour refers to Democrat majority in the state specified.)

I'm not implying that only stupid people vote Republicans but I DO thinkthat it is more likely that fairly intelligent (but morally twisted) Republicanpoliticians can trick people into voting for them. (A lot of stupid people can be misled into voting them just becauseof personality, lies, etc...Our own prime minister has done this stuff too. All charisma and no substance.Just like Trump. And is it me, or does he have a weird fake tan all the time? )

The sheep that follow them....THAT's where the lack of intelligence comes from.They've been easily led. This is just my opinion so take it with a pinch of saltand of course by chance you could have just misinterpreted whata certain party believes in.Either way, I don't trust either parties.BUT, if I was a U.S. citizen, I would vote Democrats over Republicans (I don't know any of the other parties,not that'd matter since there's only 2 major ones that actually have a chance of winning)simply because the Republicans do things against the poor a bit morethan the Democrats.

I still think the democrats are still secretly right centre.(Like a diluted version of the horrid far right Republican party.)So if the Republicans cause misery to most working people in the U.S.....the Democrats probably only cause a bit of despair....lol.

I extrapolate this assumption from the fact I see something similarwithin British politics.Labour (traditionally somewhere on the left wing scale....even introduced the legendary NHS!)seem to have been corrupted in recent times.Because they've been now known to be "NEO-liberal"and THAT is RUBBISH. It just means it's secretely right centre-ish with maybesome left wing traits. It's basically going against its roots. (Traditional left.)

HOWEVER, luckily Jeremy Corbyn is the new leader and he has very goodleft wing policies (avoiding damage to the enviroment, increase funding of the arts,scrap nuclear deterents which are a waste of money anyway....will cost £500 million make the NHS publically funded again and scrap university fees. )

He can see through the corruption in his party I would guess,since he actually demoted (not promoted) some of his party's politicians!Probably the ones that votes FOR airstrikes....they must have been bribed or secretly right centre wingor a double agent or something.

Jeremy Corbyn: Does he look like a guy who's doing it for personal gain? (Not being ageist, but this guy doesn't look likehe's out for personal gain and he's been a good left wing activist for much of his life.I don't know him personally but he comes across as a great person. He gives hope in my opinion.I just hope it isn't false hope. I agree with many of his suggested policies. They're really fair.)

On the other hand, we have the nasty Tory party (far right wing)David Cameron: Judge how you will.

And a major Tory politician, George Osbourne: (Come on, don't they look shifty? I don't even need to judge them this way asI've seen first hand the damage they want to do to the working class and middle class. Basically everyone....)which wants to spend 500 million on a stupid nuke....(do I hear ulterior motives anyone? Copying U.S. style ridiculous military spending? )cause unnecessary austerity, cut benefits to the poor, give tax breaks to millionaires (like they need it...just plain greed )privatise the NHS and the transport system (Transport For London / TFL)making them less efficient and reducing funding for them.No wonder train fairs have become more of a rip off now...and more delays.... I'm sometimes late for uni because of it.

Well that's just my opinion. I ranted a bit too much and tried tocut the post a bit shorter but I hope you find it interesting anyway.

tl;dr

I'm Batman.

_________________"Sometimes you gotta run before you can walk." - Tony Stark, Iron Man.

yep. So, our health care is VERY different here. Like, VERY VERY different...before obamacare-- everyone buys their own insurance. Private companies sell health insurance (man, if you want a GREAT paying job, get into THAT business, like for real.. that and banking xP ) and so you buy whatever health insurance you want. Some of them are scams, some are actually really nice (obviously those are more expensive.)

NOW-- everyone has to have health insurance. BUT, the regulations have made some of the cheaper Health Cares (that don't really provide anything) unqualified, and so in some cases, it is cheaper to just pay the fee.. (messed up, i know)

But yeah, businesses can provide your healthcare. For instance, my dad gets paid, AND he gets health insurance (so he doesn't have to buy it... and that includes our whole family)... and NOW with obamacare, businesses with a certain amount of employees must provide health care (at first this is what caused so many Lay-offs a few years ago... because smaller businesses couldn't afford it so they fired people or made everyone part time or something... just really, not thought through stuff...)

But yeah, We don't have a "Single-payer health care" (which is like what you guys, where it just comes out of your taxes or something (don't hold me to that wording haha) and then it's automatically covered for you). So really Obamacare isn't even that helpful... Plus, no doctors want to accept obamacare because they don't get paid as much, so they'll turn people down (okay, I have an actual problem with that though... Well, i guess doctors aren't allowed to turn people down, but then it ends up costing so much that the people feel worth more dead than alive, type of thing... :/ ... but i mean, there are ways to help lower that debt (i mean, they'd rather get paid a little than none at all...) )

So yeah, health care here is just a really whacked up situation...

Okay, I don't know what i would sub-head this one:

So, from what you're talking about.... I think America and England are verrry different xD Here, being democratic seriously is The Thing. Really, or at least the most vocal people now-a-days are democratic... And also, it might be because I was raised in Washington state (suuuper democratic state), so all of my education and stuff was what we call "left-wing"...

So even if I was sheltered, I learned most of my information from people that didn't share the (... not values... but i dunno what you'd call it....) I had in my family... So all this information I'm sharing, is a genuine mix of both sides that I have heard...

so if that puts things into perspective for you... our politics really suck xD

But yeah, for us, republicans are always made fun of (the gun-loving, religious beauracrats... etc) and everyone genuinely thinks they're dumb haha

Pledge to the Flag:

Yeah.. it is a bit weird... not gonna lie...

OH MAN DO YOU WANNA HEAR SOMETHING EVEN MORE SKETCH?

(I didn't know this until this school year) --

Texas has it's own Pledge >.>

hahahahaha talk about brainwashed xD

"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible."

I mean I love Texas and all (I mean, I was born there...) but that's a LITTLE too intense for me...

You wanna know another thing that's messed up?

So the south is REALLY weird, there is this girl in my Creative writing class who lived in Virginia, and She didn't know that slavery wasn't still a thing until she was 13... and she grew up learning that the "North Cheated" and that slaves were good >.>

Wut-Duh-Heck

But i mean, yeah Slavery was a bad thing... Like super bad... (I'm all about that Abe Lincoln life)... but life then was just weird... because say we were back then, I had slave-owner ancestors... and I would like to think that I would recognize that owning another human being isn't necessarily a good thing.. BUT if that was the normal thing to do, would I question it? I honestly don't know... stuff like that is tricky...

Moneyyyyy $.$ :

haha DANGYour prime minister only makes 150k pounds?????? Duh-Heck!?!?!?!well that being said I dunno what our president makes... *google* He makes $400,000 a year.... So your prime minister makes nothing bro.... I think if anyone in england wants to get rich they should really just come to america because apparently..... it's the place to be xD (well, except for the parts that aren't... haha)

But yeah, I remember when I went to england, 5 pounds = $8 US dollars... (that was 4 years ago, so I dunno if inflation or anything has changed)For us, like it really depends... fast food? $5 is plenty... but for like a sit down restaraunt? $10-$20Then a nice restaurant? ... more than that xD

But i would say with about $8 I could get a pretty good meal... it all just depends...

haha but yeah, money is weird...

And as far as my family goes, yeah I've never known the poor life, personally... (yet, may I add... As soon as I have to pay for my own schooling, I will be LIVING the poor life xD hahaha... but I mean, I dunno, I know paying off student loans isn't impossible.. so I'm not too worried... but some people literally do live their whole life with that debt... but my goal is, to never be in debt (obviously I will be, like, I know I won't be able to buy a house in cash... But i hope to pay it off really quickly... because I don't want to be in debt at all... and I also plan on never getting a credit card haha)

But yeah, I just feel like i've been very blessed for how my life has been, because I know so many people have it so much harder...

okay okay, here are the US averages:"According to the US Census Bureau persons with doctorates in the United States had an average income of roughly $81,400. The average for an advanced degree was $72,824with men averaging $90,761 and women averaging $50,756 annually."

..... that price gap tho >.> CAN'T PEOPLE JUST BE TREATED AS PEOPLE PLEASE? KAY THANKS!

Anyways, that's actually a lot better than I thought it was...

also, another thing that I think is kinda ironic... like I would say I'm republican (because for real, I don't know what I would say besides that right now)... but like, I'm also not very money oriented... Like sure I have a back-up plan in case my work as an author and illustrator won't be able to support my lifestyle (like, for real, chances are slim haha) ... but like, I fully support my friends, and I will for my possible husband someday- to go for what they're passionate about

I mean, when My dad was a kid and he told people that he wanted to make video games, they all laughed and told him to want a grown up job... And now here he is making more than they ever will... Just because that's what he wanted to do... (He probably would have gone for it if it didn't pay very well haha I mean, for goodness-sakes, he rejoined the army for a few years (which pays significantly less) just because he was bored of a desk job... (haha yeaaaah... my dad...)

Patriotism:

Oh snap! shot to the heart!xD

Yeeaaaah, I'm a die-hard patriot.. BUT!

not necessarily for my country...

America sucks TBH and I REAAALLY want to get out of here (like genuinely... I want to move... xD )

But I'm a patriot for what it stood for...

I think the Idea of America is just beautiful... Like a place where people can be free (It's not like that now, but that's what it was supposed to be...). And I dunno, THAT'S what I stand for. A place where people are treated as people, no matter what they believe or what they look like. And a place where people get what they deserve and what they work for, (also now, obviously some people do no work, and get more than what they deserve, and others do lots of work and get nothing)

That's what I'd fight for. Not for the America as we know it now... But just freedom in general...

And I mean, America was such an interesting Idea... like could you imagine living at that time? And there is this whole new place no one knew would exist??

Gosh it's just amazing...

...... where was I going... I had something to say...

OH YES...

I definitely agree with you!

America became a superpower because of the wars. Yes they became this way through bloodshed... Obviously some things I support...

Like the times we genuinely fought for freedom, like rescuing those in the concentration camps (while at the same time keeping our own citizens in internment camps >.> America, why? You were so close... but then you done messed up...)

But yeah, there is a lot I don't support as well...

plus, there are so many other wars... once we got caught up in the whole "Promote democracy! Don't let people fall into communism!" like.. yeah... from what I know (again, taught in my left-wing schools) communism is one of those things that could work in theory (though I do not like it anyways) but is never executed well... (though, this year, in my right-wing school, I did learn that the whole communism thing wasn't the original Marx theory... so yeah, take from that what you will)

But yeah, back to what I was talking about... I really think america should just focus on itself. The internal problems, before we should be allowed to try to get involved with other people... Like for real... I'm all for helping people, but it seems like we're just causing more damage...

Short thought:

HEY!I like BBC... It's so much better than our news here (even if it is still a bit biased)..

... see ... this is what is making me confused...

I don't think that the terms are switched exactly (left wing / right wing) ... but I dooooo really feel like our definitions are really different ....

Or, they're much more similar than we think (I would actually argue that... going back to how each side is demonizing the other... when really, I think they're both trying to get to the same goal, just different ways...)

GMOs and such:

hahahahaha yeeeeaaaaaah.... I dunno... it really depends, you don't know what's in it... but i mean, I'd eat GMOs, lets be real... hahahaha

But i am SUPER against the flouride thing... like really against it.... #waterfilterFTW

*sigh* man the world is just a mess...

OH SNAP-- PUTIN (on the ritz ):

hmmm yeeeeaaah... darling, I don't know where the discontinuity is in the information here.... but from what I've heard from democrats, republicans, left wings, right wings alike.... Putin is a bad dude.... The KGB is the secret russian police that would work for the secret government who would like arrest people, and stage "accidents" and such to make sure people would support the government... (democratic class)

And putin has been stealing tax money for ages... he's one suuuper shady dude... that's why he does all the propaganda stuff...

He went missing for 3 days, and when He came back, he was more popular than ever..

Sooo, I dunno who is getting the propaganda here....

I mean, like I've said, I don't have all the information... But EVERYTHING I have heard, is that Putin is a preetttty bad dude..............

*scrolled through your post... thought of something to say... scrolls back to mine... forgets it*

oh!! 1 thing-- JOKES ON YOU I DON'T DRINK SODA! -------------- the carbonation make me cry, and it hurts my throat, and I can't burp, so it's an overall painful experience..... hahahaha

Cancer:

I've said it once before, but that's where the money is....

*shrugs*

But! yesterday, the State of the Union address happened, and Obama said that the american government is now making it their job to find a cure for cancer..... So if it works, that would be pretty cool....but the conspiracy theorist inside me just sees so much stuff happening with this... so I dunno what to think.... *shrug*

Guns:

Well, Like i said, I don't know enough about gun control to be able to take an actual stance...But, I will say, if we made it harder to get guns, or outlawed them or something,

... murderers and thieves don't necessarily follow the law.... So I'd rather protect myself from the people who will find ways to get guns no matter WHAT regulations or rules are put on them... soooo i dunno...

Also, "We can't refuse the Syrian refugees, because only some of them could be dangerous! It's not worth risking all those lives!" same person: "We need to enforce gun control, because some people could be dangerous! So no one should have guns!"

.... okay....

So yeah.. anyways... that's about it... But yeah, I think the biggest thing to realize, is that I've grown up hearing things from both parties and sides, and this is the information I've gathered... also If i hide this in a paragraph, Oli won't read it... so i just want to remind you, he's not reading what we're saying, so who knows what we could put in the TL;DRs xD hahahaha (i'm so cruel, but come on xD hahahaha) (oli if you are reading this... my roommate stole my keyboard she said it not me)So yeah, good stuff!

Maybe I'll listen to BBC more... because I mean, if it's less biased than most stuff... then that's where i'd want to go... I just want to actually know the facts for once is that so much to ask??

This time I told X that even though his child is my actual true love, I will have to abandon my feelings so I can win Oliver from his girlfriend....

Tune in and Join Us Next Time for another episode of:*freeze screen* "psst, X, hurry, I need you to think of a name" *screen unfreezes**Glory stares awkwardly at the camera and then shuffles off the frame*

@Oli, I think we just like talking. xDThese comments....are so long....we could make a bookabout "the political debate that never aired on corrupt TV" And probably because we're passionate about helping people.

I seriously thought this post would be much shorter but dang... (I'm so glad I copy/paste the message before clicking Preview....because if you're writingtoo long...you'll get logged out and there's a big chance your writing would disappear....and thentables WILL be flipped. Thank you Notepad....or Microsoft Word....)

Health care

Yeah I still don't get how Obamacare works but the U.S. really shouldstop listening to the selfish millionaires and go straightfor making a U.S. version of the NHS. (WITHOUT privatisation....since the Tories here have privatised the NHS more,funding has been lacking....because the shareholders want more profit. Smh. Can't peopleput people ahead of profits? What is wrong with this world. )

I have so much respect for Aneurin Bevan, a Welsh Labour party politicianwho led the way to the creation of the NHS in 1948. Such a big step inthe right direction for equality and social justice. Everyone deserves to becared for.

As for doctors....I'm not going to assume they're all kind hearted and sincerebecause I fear money plays into how some of them behave,recommend such treatments (expensive, dangerous or whatever)but in the UK, it makes no difference as doctors' pay doesn't changeexcept for obviously, promotions and yearly increases in salary.(More experienced = more money).Which is how it should be.But it might not just be the corrupt doctors' faults in the U.S.Some of them could be desperate (no excuse though IMO)due to otherwise being paid less when it doesn't haveto work that way. I can't think of specific reasons but corruptionwill come into the equation at some point. (I know I use the word corruption a lotbut needs must...it's a real thing and its greedy hands are in all corners of society unfortunately. )

The U.S. could easily have its own tax-paid NHS (National Health Service)but because of the corrupt few, it probably won't happenunless major changes happen, people are dethrowned from their corrupthigh positions and probably most importantly....people be educated about the corruption and speak out against it,maybe make a petition.... Imagine if it got 5 million signatures?The government would have to listen right?

I feel bad for people when Americans go on to Yahoo Answersand ask for medical advice because they can't afford itor don't want to waste money on it....It shouldn't lead to such desperation.Yahoo Answers is not a suitable place for medical attention.

Environment

About you being surrounded in a left wing environment as well as right wing...Well personally I think it's still a messed up situationbecause I feel that the left wing environment you speak of,isn't really that left wing.I think the government reality TV show style debatesare there to confuse people because of howbeing a "left winger" is portrayed.As if they're distracting us from real issues of inequality,by instead always going on about rubbish likepro/anti abortion, pro/anti feminism, pro/anti recreational drugs, pro/anti political correctness, etc.Common sense is all that's required.

In my opinion:-Abortion is a difficult thing so I would have to contemplate moreon if it's ethical to kill a fetus VS allow the mother to suffer birth ifthey're not ready for it, etc.But generally as a weak "for now" answer, I'd say let peopledo what they think is best. :/ (Totally rubbish answer sorry.)I mean...there's cons for both abortion and anti-abortion.So I'm sort of undecided on this until further research and contemplation.

I'll skip feminism...it'll take too long to explain my opinion on it.

"Drug addict" stereotype of liberals....Ok some people claim that a certain illegal drug curescancer so I'm down with that if it's true butI won't jump on "it's definitely safe and works 100%"because I feel it's too complicated to think like that.If that drug in question really did cure cancer,we can't be sure that the form its distributed in,has the same effect.

Maybe the way it's consumedor the quality or something changes how it affects the body?So I'm not going to comment an opinion on it.But I don't like this stupid stereotyping.I've seen memes of "stupid liberals" and ....the way they're written actually makes you hate liberalsbut that's done to deliberately mislead people.Not all left wingers think like this.They're just painting a bad character and peopleare falling for it.

Smh. They're playing with you people in my opinion.The so called "left wing" democrats seem more like right centre.I've seen this rubbish NEO-liberal (fake left wing that's actually more right centrewith a little left wing) thingbecause there's something we call "new Labour"which is modern times (within last decade or so)Labour (major "left wing" party that I usually support)because Labour made us go to war with the U.S.in Iraq (war is usually a right wing driven thing....left wingers have no motive to go to war for personal gainand most true left wingers believe war is wrong, which it is.)

Our last 2 Labour leaders have been NEO-liberals.This current one is a proper left winger that I can really support.(The other two.....well....they're better than the Tories but...ehh beggars can't be choosers.They did some things right though. )

So I do kind of believe there is some messed up stuff aboutthe UK and U.S. conspiring to fight in the middle east for oil.Jeremy Corbyn the new Labour leader is like a traditional left wingerso I'm pleased we're getting the old proper Labour back! He's demoted the fake lefties in his party who are trying to mess everythingup because they're secretly right wing or NEO-liberal (right centre with a little left wing).

When left wingers (I think left wing = liberal?) get corrupt....they becomeNEO-liberal. (Neo means new in Latin.)And NEO-liberal is like a diluted conservative.But man....we have to wait until 2020 for Corbyn to have a chanceto get in charge and make this country better,we only just had the general election last year. So yeah, your American politics are much worsethan ours but ours is still bad and has corruption.I felt sick when I read that one of the backstabbers inthe Labour party (NEO-liberal ones)acted innocent and said "I won't be bullied againt my vote for airstrikes"PLEEEEASE. The backstabbers are in the pockets of the corrupt.They talk about being "bullied" (Twitter messages lol)when they're voting for airstrikes that kill civilians in Syria...Smh, some people don't have morals. (Or maybe they were blackmailed? )

Gloryangel wrote:

Texas has it's own Pledge >.>

hahahahaha talk about brainwashed xD

"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible."

No one else questions this? Well there's another source of bias. :/And what's with all the "climate change / global warming"denialists? Were they taught in school that it was a hoax?I'm pretty sure global warming is directly a result ofhuman intervention hence since the industrial revolution,sea levels have risen so they can't use the excuse that"the ice age was naturally caused so, this must be as well".

Gloryangel wrote:

So the south is REALLY weird, there is this girl in my Creative writing class who lived in Virginia, and She didn't know that slavery wasn't still a thing until she was 13... and she grew up learning that the "North Cheated" and that slaves were good >.>

Wut-Duh-Heck

Slavery still in the U.S.?Well...social class slavery definitely.The poor's labour (manual labour mostly)is used to feed the rich's weird gambling and obsession with money, power and controlwhile being quite lazy. That's pretty much slaveryespecially when you factor in how the banking system works. (If no one was in debt = no economic growth....which is MESSED UP)I don't know if the banking system works the same in the U.S.....probably at least similar.

Yeah...I'll probably NEVER use credit cards. (I'm not going to risk getting into more debt...)It's irresponsible and just helps the unethical bankers. (I don't know if all bankers are messed up...apparently one story suggests some are "stressed" from their bosses and do this stuff....I dunno...Is it propaganda against banker hate....or is it partially true? Who knows.

I mean....I don't even know exactly what a banker is....I'm assuming it's not justanyone who works in a bank....but rather a specific employee....do we ever get to see these bankers?I dunno. Who's behind them? And then who's behind them? Government? Corporations?)

Apparently there are also "holocaust deniers".I mean, who knows, maybe history wasn't documented withoutbias and maybe it's not exactly how it was written (e.g. I don't thinkWW1 and WW2 were ONLY caused by some family feud or whatever....that story never made sense to me even as a kid so I question it....probably a rubbish excusefor a more sinister reason)but I wouldn't go as far as saying the holocaust was fake...There's been too much evidence to say that.(Not that I'm an expert on history....)

Gloryangel wrote:

Your prime minister only makes 150k pounds?????? Duh-Heck!?!?!?!well that being said I dunno what our president makes... *google* He makes $400,000 a year.... So your prime minister makes nothing bro.... I think if anyone in england wants to get rich they should really just come to america because apparently..... it's the place to be xD (well, except for the parts that aren't... haha)

I wouldn't say it's nothing...That's plenty of money.£140,000 = about $200,000So our prime minister only receives half of what Obama gets.And considering bigger corruption in the U.S.and overall a much bigger country than the UK....Mr David Cameron seems to be doing a good job of robbingour taxes. $200k for backstabbing us and letting himand his rich friends stick their fingers into our poor's money and manual labour....While also ensuring tax evasion of his corporate rich friends continues...robbingthe nation of its deserved economy.

He would make a good villain. But he isn't the only one paid such ridiculous amounts forpretending to be helpful but actually makethings worse for most of the populationwhile brainwashing them (via media) into thinkingausterity is necessary to fix the deficit. (Many (but not all) politicians are paid this sort of amount too.)

They blamed Labour for causing the GLOBAL financial crash...And guess what....people ACTUALLY believe them! (TO THIS DAY. )As a kid, I didn't question it...but I didn't understand politics back thenanyway. But I'm outraged that they can blame Labour for a world wide phenomenon. Running a country isn't rocket science (for those who studied it)so it's obvious that economic under-performance has been engineered or influenced to be likethat to benefit the few rather than everyone.They disregard the "common good" completely.

The bankers around the world caused it becauseof risky business (in a way, gambling)and Labour had to bail them out (pay their debts)because otherwise things would be worse. (It's essentially the UK peoples' money)The Tories would have bailed them out toobut they would have handled things worse (with austerity froman even earlier point in time)so really, they're hypocrites and liars.

You know, I'm not really convinced if you want to get rich, go to the U.S.I believed that as a kid. (I wanted to move to the U.S. when I grow up.)But I really think that's mostly propaganda to get more people into the U.S.(This rumour about the U.S. being a great business opportunity place...has been around for many many decades so the immigration problem didn't exist backthen those times).

I mean....a lot of America is in at least some level of poverty so that kind of gives you a cluethat saying doesn't have that much truth in it.At least that's what I think.I'm undecided if I want to move countries...I'm currently thinking between staying in the UK,or going to either.... one of the scandinavian countries, U.S. Australia (although the skin cancer thing worries me...),maybe a different country in a Europe like Germany, etc.

But I don't know any language beyond English. Gotta start to learn one one day....or I'll remain ignorant forever. (I admite that many European countries have big percentagesof people that know at least some English on top of their own languages...it makes me feel so stupid.But I'm not a language person anyway....even though I like writing stories.)

Gloryangel wrote:

okay okay, here are the US averages:"According to the US Census Bureau persons with doctorates in the United States had an average income of roughly $81,400. The average for an advanced degree was $72,824with men averaging $90,761 and women averaging $50,756 annually."

Glory....a doctorate is very difficult to obtain... Isn't this statistic only regarding people that have like... a PhD????? Most doctors don't have a PhD. Those things are INSANE.Really specialised. Like....writing your PhD might involve writingat least 150 pages or something....and every page has to be IMPECCABLY accurate,error-free and professional. It's really not an easy task.But one day I would want to write my own thesis in regards toreversing aging and/or increase human life span by lookingat correlations, experimental studies, etc.It won't be easy but I hope one day I'm confident enough towrite that much without ranting mindless stuff in betweenthe good pages.

If you meant a bachelor's degree or a master's degree (higher than bachelor's but lower than PhD)than well....the statistic is a little meaningless sincemany people can't afford to go to uni. (I mean...I can't but I'll pay off the debt one day.But some people are not willing to risk it....and I don't blame them.But I'm forced to go with this scam....as I'd like to call it. (There's no alternative for a science enthusiast like me.)We still have to pay £9k = about $13k a year for most degrees here under this Tory government.)All sciences are in the 9k category. Especially in top unis.

Hmm well I haven't researched about the gender inequality gapbut I'm willing to listen to both sides of the argument.Some say the statistics are skewed and I can believe that sincea lot of men are the "breadwinners" in families so I can understand themgetting more for that to feed their families but some jobs probably require more physicalwork (that involves more muscular effort for example which men biologicallyhave an advantage in)but obviously if it's the exact same job and it's a single man and a single woman and they're performingabout the same, it should be the same pay.

But I haven't researched the arguments so I can't really comment.I don't even know if this argument is here in the UK or not.(Probably since I never heard about it being a problem here,I'm guessing it doesn't happen here or that if it did, it was fixed or something.)

I never think a situation is as simple as its being reported as.Some men might pretend it's not happening (maybe for personal gain)and some women might pretend it's happening to make some kindof unfair movement. (You know like "we should get more women in higher positions"while that sounds fair, it can lead to unfairness as some positions may be reserved purelyfor women only because of their gender when it should be whoever is the best candidate...lol in this corrupt society....who dares wins....so I find it irrelevant anywayespecially if it's political jobs... )

I mean both men and women are treated unfairlyin society (e.g. fathers generally less likely to get custody/property after divorce...I disagree with this if it's true: I think whoever the children want to be with andcan be supported and loved by the most should get the children

(if the father is a violent psycho,the kids should go to the mother, if the mother is a violent psycho, the kids should go to the father)

or both share them....which could be weird....ahhh don't talk to me about divorce!Such a complicated issue. Marriage....something I hope won't ruin me. Seriously...so many horror stories of what it's like to be married. Psychologists should do studies on how to avoid a messed up marriages.

If you end up with the wrong person...they might ruin your life.Divorce rates are shockingly high. )It's a gamble but oh well....I'll try not to go for the crazies!

Gloryangel wrote:

I think the Idea of America is just beautiful... Like a place where people can be free (It's not like that now, but that's what it was supposed to be...). And I dunno, THAT'S what I stand for. A place where people are treated as people, no matter what they believe or what they look like. And a place where people get what they deserve and what they work for, (also now, obviously some people do no work, and get more than what they deserve, and others do lots of work and get nothing)

That's what I'd fight for. Not for the America as we know it now... But just freedom in general...

And I mean, America was such an interesting Idea... like could you imagine living at that time? And there is this whole new place no one knew would exist??

Gosh it's just amazing...

I don't really understand this attitude.Maybe this is another aspect you're brainwashed into thinkingor maybe you're blinded by nostalgia (like, as a kid, you were fascinated with the American way of lifeand sense of belonging you saw on TV).

But, freedom is something that has been in other countries for many decadesso I don't understand why people believe the propaganda thatAmerica is the land of the free... / the free world.It's as bad as other countries. (Better in some aspects, worse in some aspects.)Most 1st world countries have about the same degree of freedom(most of Europe, U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.)but I think the American people are being misled to thinkthat every country outside the U.S. lacks freedomlike in North Korea. (At least, that's what I found upon brief researching.)It's an unfair dictatorship there.

I mean, not all dictatorships are bad (I would be an EPIC dictator! Not motivated bygreed, but by the will to help people and my high level of empathy,I could control things in a fair way and ask the people what I'm doing right/wrong )but most dictators in history have been corruptor haven't been able to control corrupt peoplein their political circle.

But seriously, freedom is like....the same.Go to the UK, and you'll see the same amount of freedom.It's standard. (Obviously a few policies may be different likeyou American people have the NSA while we aren't really spied on that muchSO THEY SAY. )

But yeah this "American Dream" stuff is just propagandafrom the world war times. (Or just after....when Europe was recoveringfrom the deaths and economic and land destruction....do you see the link?"Come to America, my European friends, here you can get your business up again!" )

I'm being a bit cynical but poverty is still in countries of freedom.(Poverty = lack of freedom to have economic stability and stable health, wellbeing, without being discriminated again just because of your economic situation basedon where you were born, who your parents are, the opportunities available to you,your genetics, etc.)

So it's really all a lie no matter what country you're in.(But I think scandinavian countries are apparently pretty good withimproving living conditions. Probably the supposed left wing natureof the population voting in more fair parties probably....I don't know much about thistopic but I am jealous of countries like the countries that stand up againstgreed and corruption (to some extent only though)and have good policieslike not charging for uni fees (beyond normal tax)or at least cheap uni fees. (Like not much more than a couple of grand a year max.)

Totally agree with your opinion that the U.S. should keeptheir noses out of other countries.I mean, "helping" other countries is great butI seriously question the U.S. government's intentionswhen they "HELP" other countries by invading them, airstrikes,supplying rebels with arms, etc.

I think there's another motive, like I said with the oil thing.They always seem to "help" the middle east....where there's lots of oil. I think Russia has lots of oil too but they won't try anythingwith Russia obviously. (Unless there's a corrupt alliance between the corruptU.S. and corrupt Russian governments. But like I said, some conspiracy theories say thatRussia is opposing the New World Order thing....it's interesting story....but is it true? Maybe, maybe not.)

Gloryangel wrote:

And putin has been stealing tax money for ages... he's one suuuper shady dude... that's why he does all the propaganda stuff...

He went missing for 3 days, and when He came back, he was more popular than ever..

He probably isn't a saint. But if it's true he's opposing a greater evil,then I'd take the lesser evil.He comes across as cool but that's probably propaganda mostly.I am aware that good people sometimes do messed up stuffto fight against bad people. (Sometimes inexcusable.) This MIGHT be one of those situations.(Or not....he could just be a bad egg...even though he talks like he'sfor justice and the truth....which is clearly not 100% true due tothe "people missing" thing you've said).

But we lack so much information about governments so we can't decide for ourselves.Putin has Edward Snowden on his side, the whistleblower. (I THINK....according to what I've read anyway. But maybe he has no choice?? )

So this makes me think there's some good in the Russian governmentbut whether there's some good in a government, doesn't reallyexcuse them of the bad things they may have done.It's a complicated issue and without more evidence, it's hard to decidewho's on the peoples' side and who isn't.

(Or which evil is the lesser one.)

For all we know,they could both be staged oppositions and actually be"in on it" in the illusion of a battle of good vs evilto give us hope and the illusion of choice and chance of things getting betterso we don't retaliate against corrupt governments. :/Oh well.

Gloryangel wrote:

1 thing-- JOKES ON YOU I DON'T DRINK SODA! -------------- the carbonation make me cry, and it hurts my throat, and I can't burp, so it's an overall painful experience..... hahahaha

Well I didn't mean that you drink soda,I just wanted to mention that it's terribleand one weapon in an array of poisons the governmenthas willingly allowed its people to consume.It was just an educational thing.

I always do that. If I made a hollywood movie...I tell you...I bet there'd be at least one moral message like"stay in school, kids!", "didn't your parents ever tell you not to play with sharp objects?""Alcohol is a poison, I don't drink that garbage", etc. I'm used to it due to my personality, ethics,and of course, running this forum.

And that's really weird that you respond to it like that.Actually it's pretty interesting. I'm curious why not everyone has warnings from their bodythat these things are dangerous. (Aspartame, soda, etc.)Maybe your family's genetics never responded to it beforeas previous generations never touched the stuff much?

Would I feel the effects? I mean....the food/drinkin the UK isn't anywhere near as bad as in the U.S. (health wise)but they're still pretty unhealthy. (I hope GMOs don't land on our shores! At the very least some labeling should be required.)

I know for sure that GMOs or at least their companies are messed upbecause I've seen people PAID to spread info (maybe employees?)on the net with lame arguments and it's like an advertisementfor one of the big GMO companies that want a monopoly in food we eat(a company called Monsanto....really messed up if you research them).People say the company want to eliminate naturalfoods so we are dependent on their patentedseeds that can't be reused (LOOOOOOOOL)so I totally believe the anti-GMO people over the pro-GMO peoplewho just sound like they advertise stuff and pasteMonsanto funded (thus biased) research papers.

There was an independent study on GMOs andit was retracted (showed mice got cancerous tumours from it)!Then re-released and the scientist in chargewas awarded a German whistle blower award.That really sounds suspicious.

Apparently some Monsanto employees switch between positionsin their company and government positions in the FDA....So yeah I'm not gonna trust these GMO guys.I also read the higher up employees and employers don'teven have GMO food in their cafeteria! Hahaha.

And animals don't really touch GMOs compared to organic veg.(A counter argument is that they have been "modified" to resistpests....I'm seriously still not convinced corn injected with some chemicaland then sprayed with a chemical....is safe....)

Also....similarly, margarine is toxic garbage that's actually GREYbefore being coloured yellow.And ants won't even touch it....but they will touch butter... (Not saying butter is healthy....but compared to margerine....lol)And that stuff wasn't "modified" so I still have my suspicions.

I've seen people who promote/defend Monsanto's safety and legal ethics (patents and all that)even on Reddit and they're so obviously biased it's crazy.When the anti-GMO people reply with reasonable arguments and questions,they're given many thumbs down and bad replies (circular arguments, false statements, poor logic, unnecessaryinsults, "I'm a scientist and you're not" statements.... etc. )

Glory wrote:

But! yesterday, the State of the Union address happened, and Obama said that the american government is now making it their job to find a cure for cancer..... So if it works, that would be pretty cool....but the conspiracy theorist inside me just sees so much stuff happening with this... so I dunno what to think.... *shrug*

And it's good you've got a conspiracy theorist in you.Not all conspiracy theorists are nutters that the mediaclaim. Most I find are just intelligent people with high ethics that questionwhat the government tell them. Quite rightly so.Not all theories are correct but it would be wise to beopened minded on each one in my opinion.

Also...this big organisation we have in the UK, called Cancer Research UK....They're a charity but on the website, they mention nothingabout what they actually do with the money in terms of research.Nothing specific at all.And instead, employees get like £60,000 ($86,500)......so.....these VOLUNTEERS....are getting very well paid....and also some of the money is going towards administration costs...Ugh....I don't trust this company.I think it's just a scam.And this makes me question things like with what you said about Obamanow saying he'll fight cancer....I mean...have they not said this before?It's a pretty meaningless statement until specific details are givenlike which companies are paid what to do specifically what in the laboratory.And again....multi billion dollar business.The government can easily be bought our with that kind of money,not that they weren't already corrupt....lol.

Glory wrote:

Also, "We can't refuse the Syrian refugees, because only some of them could be dangerous! It's not worth risking all those lives!" same person: "We need to enforce gun control, because some people could be dangerous! So no one should have guns!"

.... Seriously okay....

Uh...I don't know how to respond to that. xDWell I think that the immigration thing also has an agenda behind it.(Don't know what it is, maybe it continues this war on terror scheme thingand maybe getting people to be against muslims...I don't know.But I'll be questioning both sides of the story and beyond.

I mean...look at what the immigrants in Germany did to the womenI think..... over ONE THOUSAND of them organised to do it...YEEEEAAAH I believe the government weren't involved at all.... It's fishy that many people were involved....I would guess it's a politicallyinduced stunt / event. It probably did happen, but not by chance. I thinkthe government or some one else corrupt did it to manipulateus on our opinion of immigrants .....or the EU membership......or something. )

And I think the sentences in your quote aren't really that related.My opinion is that the refugees should be allowed becausethey're desperately getting away from war (but seriously, why choose UK, Germany, Sweden, America, etc.????There's plenty of safer countries out there....)

I think a better solution would be to obviously stop the Syrian war,but as an easier "for now" solution, move refugees to other countriesand regions rather than stuffing them ALL in built up 1st world countries.If you're desperate getting away from war and you livedin a 3rd world country....a 2nd world country isn't gonna be bad in comparison is it?Maybe I'm being a bit selfish I don't know...

Everyone deserves to be in a 1st world country I guessbut this sounds like they're taking advantage....I dunno.I would love for the whole world to be made of 1st world countriesbut due to corruption, countries in Africa, the middle east, some European countriesand some U.S. states are in real poverty and technology and living conditionsare just not good enough. Rich countries could EASILY help other countriesbut the corrupt few don't want that. Education alone will turn a 3rd world countryinto a 2nd world one in relatively little time. (I guess....but I'm not an social-economic expert,I'm just using common sense, logic and reasoning.)

But the criminal refugees should be put on trial and/or deported.Ungrateful people like that don't deserve the hospitality they receive. (I hate when some politicians say "you liberals are all criminal refugee apologists"but that's ridiculous. I ain't gonna tolerate some criminal scumbag just becausehe came from a war. I mean, I'm willing to give them another chance and give themtherapy and analyse why they're acting like dogs....could be a psychological result of the warbut that's still just an excuse....but I'd still deport/take legal action against those criminalsdepending on the severity of the case.)

I think no one should have guns (weapons purely invented for killing people/animals)but obviously since many criminals have got their hands on them already....The situation is difficult.For all we know, getting all the guns in the country (including from criminals)might be quite easy but the government might just not want to do itbecause of their mafia / cartel / gangster friends and connection.

That's an accusation that's a bit "out there" but I'm not surprised sincerecreational drugs being kept illegal, would continue the business ofthe messed up drug smuggling organisations/thugs/gangsters/mafia/cartels.(NOT THAT I support recreational drug use....unless it's proven to be beneficial in healthand is not mistreated.....)

And finally yeah, the BBC may not be 100% unbiased (they might be pressured fromthe government and press companies to follow a certain story in a certain way maybe)but if I have to choose a news company, I'll take theone that's LEAST biased/corrupt.The one that's publicly funded by taxes rather private shareholders.So yeah still take everything with a pinch of saltbut the BBC is the best out of what we've got.I can't assess HOW biased the BBC is but I willgive them the benefit of the doubt as over the years watchingthem VS other media, BBC News has been the onemost likely to not hide information / mislead, etc. (With possibly a few exceptions.)

Again, pinch of salt. I don't watch Sky News purely because I don't want to supportthem but also I don't want to be disgusted when I seetheir propaganda. I've seen even worse than them thoughbut still.

Newspapers like the Daily Mail and the Sun are a DISEASE when it comes tobias.Look at this garbage against Jeremy Corbyn and the left wing:"blah blah Corbyn's far left policies will send the country to the dark ages."WOW.Capitalism and fascism (far right wing stuff like the austerity that the Tories are willfully causing despite it being unnecessary and also harmful)are the only examples I've seen "dark ages" type discriminationand poverty, yet these liars want to send propaganda that helping the pooris a bad thing, check it out:

(I'm actually glad to say that the comments section THIS TIMEhas had some decent comments FOR ONCE speaking out against the newspaper becausea lot of people, even initially right wingers, have seen that Corbyn is probablythe only honest and genuine politician with helpful policies and they're slowly seeing throughthe lies and bias....but USUALLY the comments section is full of idiots thatpromote selfish opinions consistently.)

I mean, a lot of bias in the media and comments sections (in general)say stuff like "you lefties are in favour of free speech and hate censorship yet you want to censor swearing"It's these skips in logic that infuriate me.Me personally, you can see that I keep this forum as kid-friendly as possible.But I am definitely FOR free speech.As long as it doesn't offend and doesn't cause harm.

So in terms of free speech....against religion for example:I mean I'm not religious, (I believe God exists, possibly Jesus may have as well, but I don't connect with a religion)and I WILL criticise any and all religions OPENLY. (Criticize politely mind you. )

Because I feel that religion is a choice and isn't above the law and above other beliefs.Especially since religion in general hasn't been proven to be truein virtually every aspect of every religion. (And because I feel religion is just a human constructused to manipulate and control people as well as avoiding psychological harm fromthinking about what happens after you die....I really don't think God would bother withsome rumour....it would make more sense that he shows himself rather than "test faith"because what's the point in testing faith? It's just a human idea....We're only human and we don't know anything beyond what we observe.Life in my opinion isn't a game of "who believes wins"because we're all just like....ignorant children! We're too innocent and mindless to have the responsibility to putfaith in something that we've never seen before.)

I don't like religion but I respect people whether they're religious or not.If they want to hear my reasoning on why religion is a lie passed on through generations,I'd be glad to enlighten them.

But if they're persistent in not wanting to know (this is very common, especiallywith religious people who are afraid to question their religion in fear ofrejection from their friends/family/religious community as well as the fear of"if I don't believe in this religion, if the religion is true.....will I be punished for not believing?")

I mean, "not believing" in a religion....can't be a sin. That's silly.But I think because religion is something that can brainwash peoplefrom a young ageto believe things without question, and can bias people....it's difficult toargue against despite all the evidence that no religion can be 100% true.I wonder what would happen if religion instantly disappeared from peoples' minds.What then would happen? I think new religions would just be created....(But considering we're in somewhat more civilised, technological times,the new religions would be at least, less ridiculous and outdated in my opinion.)

But sometimes religion is a good thing so I tolerate it for this reason as well.Some people forgive others (like murderers of their children or for attacking them with a weapon)in the name of Jesus and I find that admirable.(But I'd hope they'd be like this if they were a different religion, an atheist, an agnostic, a non-religious God believer, etc. etc.)But I wouldn't forgive someone if they have no remorse for what they've done.I think logic must be introduced to the table to make a decent decision.And if you forgive someone....is true forgiveness? Or is the hatestill in the back of your head? Well....we're only human.And really...we don't have to forgive....But it's nice to, if thecircumstances are fair enough for it. (E.g. person did something bad tyou but realised they did something wrong, want to make up for it andapologise, etc.)

Like with orientation (not going to explain what that means to kids....)I don't like the concept of the other types of orientationBUT I have nothing against those that do have them.Especially preferences like that are most likely as a resultof genetics, mutations, upbringing/environment/friends, media,prenatal testosterone/oestrogen levels, etc.

So even if an alternative orientation was a choice....I still have nothing against people with that preference.It doesn't affect me....unless they do something unfair to mewith that concept... Then I will retaliate.But again I only hate people who are evil.And even then....some evil comes from ignorance.If people (yep even intelligent scholars, scientists, politicians, etc. can be ignorant in some way or anotherand may even lack logic and common sense somewhere)can be ignorant in some way and cause evil (e.g. prejudice).We should all help each other and the few thatare messed up....they can go scam, kill each other, etc.on another island away from good people.

But seriously....I've seen lots of good people do messed up stuff like bullying,being harsh, etc. and worse.So even though I don't have that much faith in humanity,humanity can still improve.If you've seen The Dark Knight, remember on the prisonship, that prisoner that looked like a nasty piece of work....he looked like he was gonna detonate the bomb and killthe other ship with non-criminal normal innocent people...BUT HE DIDN'T. He threw the detonator out the windowand sat back down like he was sad.

Christopher Nolan you genius....I think some people truly can turn around.Maybe not everyone, maybe some are so far gone...But I think the number of people that are so far gone,are still fairly small compared to thosethat can redeem themselves in some way. But it's so difficult these days with stupid"gangsta" culture propagated by the mediaand music industry.Gangsta thug life stuff isn't the only causefor criminality but it is a major one.And the government....I suspect know this and for some reasondon't care and allow this filth to be pumped out.I mean, sure, gangster stuff can be funny if you parodyit (like with Hom Choi acting like a tough gangster, talking slang and then suddenly doingsomething posh like drinking tea with his small finger/pinky extended,while wearing aristocrat style clothing/wig whiletalking in a posh accent "I saaaay old bean, this tea is totally gangsta thug life". )

But obviously I don't agree with taking it seriouslyand the behaviour and language it causes. It's just really stupid.That's why I like making fun of it.

Whoa....I go off at a tangent so quickly...

BTW I only really use left and right wing because it's faster tosay "these fair left wing ideas" instead of giving specifics.(Because I genuinely believe left wing is more fair...I don't know if there are exceptions in left wing policiesbut I like left centre the best....it's not too unfair on the rich/and doesn't encourage laziness but more importantly, itsaves the lives and well-being of those less fortunate).

But obviously it's better to avoid confusion when you talk to someone about politicsby giving your reasoning on specific policies rather than general "I disagree with right wing" or "I disagree with the Republican party"because the number of reasons.....it could be anything. And of course left vs rightmight be a little shifted depending on which country you're in and what you've been told, etc.

Glory wrote:

I confessed my undying love for X

Shhh!! Don't make Oli jealous!The poor boy. (What? He's not going to read this....unless he for some reason usesCTRL + F to search for his name... I'm doomed.)

Glory wrote:

Do you think I am dumb enough to do that? (not necessarily you personally.. I hope you know this, and I'm not offended, because I've been told this before...

Nope, I don't think you're dumb. (And anyway, I feel that most of the time, even dumb peoplecan become clever despite genetic disadvantages or poverty or whatever,if they were just introduced to the right conditions, nurtured and taught well and given a chanceto explore things in academia, common sense, philosophy or whatever. )I mean obviously....I doubt a complete idiot could compete with a world classscientist for example since the scientist may have read books from age 3 or whateverand that early brain development is a huge advantage if taken care ofso has a head start.

(I actually read science books from age 5-ish but I feel some timein my teenage hood, my intelligence/curiosity went downhill....maybe I wasdepressed and thus uninspired? Dunno. :/)But despite this, I admit that neuroplasticity (how much the brain can change shapeand learn and grow more pathways, etc.)slows down when you're older (apparently 25 onwards)but I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THIS.

And in a way, scientific news/journals that sayamazing brain plasticity has been observed in this study and that study...well it gives me hope that the neuroplasticity/brain plasticitycan still work pretty well even when you're older. (What about Einstein, didhe not do important work when he was older than 25??)

And anyway, even if it is sadly true, maybe you can stillmake the most of it and keep your brain as adaptable as possible.(Probably by constantly learning....I would guess. And eating a healthy diet andexercising and stuff probably.)

Anyway, it's not always dumb people that fall for propaganda.I used to be ignorant on these things too butjust by researching, thinking critically yet also with an open mind.....with logic, I now know more of the truth. (I don't know everything though.)

I can often tell if something's propaganda/misleading/liesbut not always. (I think of psychological tactics they could use whilewatching and judging if something seems suspicious and then research.)

Also, I see cleverness in dumb people and dumbness in clever peopleall the time so it's a very strange situation.But yeah I get the smart vs dumb thing...you can still classify someone as dumb (might not be nice, but you can)because of certain things in their logic or knowledgethat are ridiculous...(although that may not be their fault....e.g. propaganda, poverty, lies, genetic issue, etc.)

But generally, most people have smart and dumb areas of logic/knowledgein their complicated neural networks in their brains.

A crazy professor might be a genius but may lack common sense.An evil genius may lack basic empathy (which can be backed up by logic....e.g. "being nice = a more stable society" so even psychopaths sometimes can't deny this...but some still will).

A dumb school kid could go to a different school and suddenly (or maybe after a few years) becomean A/B student or something and have a promising future.

Glory wrote:

so pllleeeeeaase i still love you with a fiery passion xD )

Fiery?xD

tl;drOliver is missing out.

_________________"Sometimes you gotta run before you can walk." - Tony Stark, Iron Man.

I know this thread is a few days old, but my gosh this is the longest I've seen anyone post. X, I gotta hand it to ya buddy, you've got a way with words... several words in fact.

Is there a record for that? There should be a record for that. Oli, make a record for the longest post ever made.

But in all seriousness, you guys got real deep with this stuff. I hardly even know anything about politics aside from the things they've taught me in school. You guys went all out. From basic politics to medical care and from environmental problems to human psychology. You guys could be politicians, I mean I'd vote for you... Probably. It's sorta weird, I want to say you guys sound professional (which you do), but you guys just sound so...old. And I mean "old" as in experienced with life and knowing how to handle what life throws at you. I'd comment about the government myself, but I think most has already been said. And like I mentioned, I'm not very experienced in this whole concept, so it'd probably come out out somewhat bland. So how about this: Can we all agree that politics suck?

i've read all those and seems kinda a lot of to read and a lot of time to waste, but the thing is, living freely is the best thing it could be, but i know that my country is a small country with bad economic system, but the problem is education here, people aren't used to such things like politics like my age, so i'm interested what politics has and does, so btw my profession subject is energetic system electronics, and i'm not good at it, so politics.. hmm... politics here people are evil! so i'm not good at thinking, i supposed to think about something that something in the world what's happening, i've watched the news, but they don't show that much in my language.

hahahaI'm sorry X, I read your posts, But unlike you, I can only type long posts for so long ;D

hahahaha well, I'm glad I could also be considered "old" (or wise? maybe?) -- considering i hardly even know what I'm talking about hahaha I'm just really trying to understand where I actually stand on certain things

But X, you know, you could always get on skype every now and then and we could have quicker, less-words-at-a-time conversations xP hahaha

I think I agree.Because it's often full of lies and exploitation.There's often a negative "us vs them" atmosphere and such.Politics is often either negative or just plain boring.

But everyone needs to know about it orthen only the corrupt ones will vote (according to their interests only) and mess things up for everyone else.(If the system isn't already completely rigged....but if it is, well it makes no difference but just in case....)I would guess in the UK, it probably isn't completely rigged but partially I would say.In the U.S. I would guess it's between partially rigged and fully rigged(just a guess).

I'd say it's a good idea for people to learn the basics.When I went to school, politics wasn't taught at all.But at least the teachers I had, told of morals and values thatstay with me to this day since I was a young kid.(E.g. war is always wrong.)I think it was just occasional opinions held by some teachers over the years.But never any proper political lessons.

But even if they didn't say stuff like that, I'dsay I would still think virtually the same today.But I do feel that some kids are told what to think by their parentseven if what they're taught is morally wrong.

Sometimes it's not that intentional though.E.g. I remember being brought up with the idea of "God" and it seriously confused me....Caused unnecessary fear, lack of critical thinking, the misconception thatsouls were a biological phenomenon (when they actually are not!).

But I'm glad I formed my own balanced opinion, consideringboth (or multiple) sides of the story. I know God and/or religion is not really part of politicsbut you get what I mean in terms of beliefs.

Oliver Zombieweasel wrote:

Prince Zuko wrote:

So how about this: Can we all agree that politics suck?

See, you two? Straight to the point. You could learn a lot from everyone's favourite Fire Lord.

What is this "straight to the point" magic you speak of?Will it enable me to lead armies through Mordor?I'm in.

Mugiwara no luffy wrote:

i've read all those and seems kinda a lot of to read and a lot of time to waste

Lol just kidding. I understand.

Gloryangel wrote:

hahahaI'm sorry X, I read your posts, But unlike you, I can only type long posts for so long ;D

No no! I'm not complaining! I have some important stuff to do and the stupid part of my mind....you know, the same part that says "go on....have another cookie ....I won't ask again.....oh wait wait just another one....come on....those two didn't count!....Another!" The same part that says "go to sleep? pleeeeease let's just watch another episode of Gotham....wait that episode wasn't that good....watch another...." and so on .....until I get 4 hours sleep.

That part of my mind is gonna be like "read and reply to Glory's long post....I don't care if you have an important assignment to hand in tomorrow, it can wait!!"

Ok I should stop typing before it gets to a similar length.

And I slightly agree with Joker here, only slightly though.I think that the rules/laws should be obeyed most of the timebut sometimes in some situations, the rules are wrong.

E.g. "no running in the hall!" ....yeah, if Joker came down your school's hallwith a machine gun, giving you a weird smile, I'd run too.

It always depends on which is a worse outcome, followingthe rule to the letter, or bending/completely ignoring the rule.

Thou shalt not lie? Usually it's a good idea not to liebut if Joker's got beef with your friend, you should lieabout his whereabouts to save his life. When I say friend, I mean an injured Bruce Wayne.

Also, you don't really need to make a long reply....I just talk too much.It stopped being a debate half way through. And just more like a long discussion about corruption. xD

_________________"Sometimes you gotta run before you can walk." - Tony Stark, Iron Man.