In the last couple of weeks I've seen examples where the blizzard moderators are extremely lenient with pro blizzards post (just recently seen where a poster broke the same rule more than once) and the only action on him was just those post deleted and he's still non stop posting, where as I've seen someone breaking the same level of rule (discussing forum moderation *and in my case was not even direct attack post just a off comment where as the other poster used it to attack other posters) get a 72 vacation and all their post deleted (I'm not the only one I know that's had that happen).

And this all should not break off into a fanboy\hater argument I like blizzard and their games (Ok not D3) but their forum moderation system and management needs some major work.

As in: Handled by machines instead of fallible human beings?

My point: I don't think any moderation system will ever be without criticism from the moderated.
And I know that I certainly couldn't treat different transgressions equally throughout a day of moderation work. It would depend upon my mood, what I had to eat, how much sleep I had, and many other factors. This is to be expected, even from "professionals". If you then disagree with the action, you simply have to use the proper channels to appeal it.

If you chose rock as a weapon, in order to beat a pair of scissors, don't start whining when you get pwn'd by a piece of paper.

My point: I don't think any moderation system will ever be without criticism from the moderated.
And I know that I certainly couldn't treat different transgressions equally throughout a day of moderation work. It would depend upon my mood, what I had to eat, how much sleep I had, and many other factors. This is to be expected, even from "professionals". If you then disagree with the action, you simply have to use the proper channels to appeal it.

As a business proposition ROI on forum moderation is likely close to zero so it'll never get the sort of attention at Blizzard that it probably needs to be consistent and thorough. It's quite clear that they're understaffed to some degree as they provide little-to-no moderation overnight and weekends. That said, if posts go unreported it's highly unlikely that anything will ever be done with them and given the volume of posts that get reported over there that are essentially false positives it's not surprising that moderation is imperfect.

Really, the same criticism shows up here too. It's an imperfect world full of judgement calls. Not everyone sees things the same way and it's ridiculous to assume that we read every post in GenD. That's why post reporting and an appeal process are important.

I'm sure that Blizzard has their reasons ("Every voice matters") but I've personally never understood why they don't allow their MVP's to do more in the way of directing traffic on their forums, especially nights and weekends.

And remember, disagreeing with you is not the same as kissing Blizzards ass.

I am aware

Originally Posted by LazyJones

Assumption.

Do you have any proff it is not? Seems to be countless people like my self that has never heard a replay from them

Originally Posted by LazyJones

At this point I think it's safe to assume that you either cannot, or will not, give a single example of a post that is reasonable, yet got shut down on the official forums.

I got shut done? Really? My account is not perma banned there I could go post there if I still played that piece of shit game

Originally Posted by LazyJones

To you, perhaps. Because I dare to disagree with you. Because I dare to question you. Because I dare to ask that you give examples and arguments.

You do not just disagree you fanboy pretty hard. Your post history is not hidden here

Originally Posted by LazyJones

All you do is make assumptions, like where you assumed the only reason to agree with Blizzard is to become an MvP (just above this...). That alone says that your position is unbalanced, and that you are refusing to acknowledge that anyone disagreeing with you could possible have a point.

And all you do is call people conspiracy theorist who dare say something bad about bli$$ard or wow.

Originally Posted by LazyJones

I post and read there quite often, actually.
There are indeed "Blizzard fanboys", but it is far from every constructive criticism that gets shut down due to trolling.

Proff?

Originally Posted by LazyJones

The fact that it happens, is not enough of an argument to claim that it (even almost) always happens, which is basically what you are saying.

As said before proff?

Originally Posted by LazyJones

And it is certainly not an argument for simply not bothering with constructive criticism. Which, I'm afraid, your position comes across as.

Once again opinion not fact.

Originally Posted by LazyJones

I fail to see the relevance. That post is almost 2 years old, and no longer applies, as should be evident. There's even a 426 page thread on transmogs in the General section's very first page as of this writing.

I know the forum rules and the my MONEY going to blizzard is a privilege not a right. To be honest the official forums is a steaming pile of shit. Hell they are totally useless the devs use twitter to talk to people and mmo champ has better forums.

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Originally Posted by MoanaLisa

I'm sure that Blizzard has their reasons ("Every voice matters") but I've personally never understood why they don't allow their MVP's to do more in the way of directing traffic on their forums, especially nights and weekends.

Just my opinion though.

Have you been to the us forums? some of the mvp's troll just as bad as the trolls.

That's a lesson in what happens when you let things get away from you. Those have been terrible from day 1 of D3 and from what I can tell haven't really gotten any better. If you want to try and understand how Blizzard really feels about their forums, that's as good a place to look as any. It's not a pretty picture.

I'm sure that Blizzard has their reasons ("Every voice matters") but I've personally never understood why they don't allow their MVP's to do more in the way of directing traffic on their forums, especially nights and weekends.

Just my opinion though.

Maybe because they get paid for doing it.
Allowing MVPs to moderate for free might get people higher up questioning why they need to pay for it.

Personally I would go for self moderating forums based on the report button.
Reported 20 times by different accounts automatic deletion.

Have you been to the us forums? some of the mvp's troll just as bad as the trolls.

People sometimes think that I troll pretty hard here too. It's all in the eye of the beholder. What someone thinks is a pretty well-reasoned opinion/argument is another person's "You're trolling me" post.

Unpaid volunteers are going to step over the line once in a while and that's OK as long as there's a review process (There's a really good one here).

All of that said, Blizzard could use the help nights and weekends at the very least even if it's little more than flagging a post and hiding it until someone else can have a look at it. Anyone that takes advantage of that sort of system sticks out pretty quickly.

Personally I would go for self moderating forums based on the report button.
Reported 20 times by different accounts automatic deletion.

Self cleaning and no biased moderation.

They have a down-voting process that buries posts. I don't know that a lot of people actually use it although I see it once in a while.

It's impossible to know how Blizzard really view their forums internally but there are plenty of examples of better-moderated-by-volunteer forums around. It's probably something to do with the legalities of how they grant access to forums based on paid subscriptions. I won't even pretend to guess what they do but Blizzard General Discussion forums are generally pretty terrible. My sense is that U.S. is worse the EU but there's plenty of bad crap to go around. Of course, that brings up Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is crap" so maybe it's just the nature of the thing.

I got shut done? Really? My account is not perma banned there I could go post there if I still played that piece of shit game.

Have you been to the us forums? some of the mvp's troll just as bad as the trolls.

For someone who claims the game is a "piece of shit", and who believes the MVPs to be trolling, you sure do put a lot of energy into arguing about WoW. I could understand the passion if you were still playing and upset about the state of things, but your heated opinion is about as valid on WoW as mine would be about SuperContra on NES. Why bother shouting at the rain when everyone just keeps opening umbrellas in your face?

Do you have any proff it is not? Seems to be countless people like my self that has never heard a replay from them

I also have no proof that Santa Claus is not real.
Don't ask me to prove a negative, it's not proper.
If we're going to talk about evidence for or against, the burden of proof traditionally lies with the person making the claim.
The person presenting the assumption.

I got shut done? Really? My account is not perma banned there I could go post there if I still played that piece of shit game

You sound more angry than rational.
And my request was for "a post that got shut down despite being reasonal". I made no claim about your account or you getting "shut done".

You do not just disagree you fanboy pretty hard. Your post history is not hidden here

Again: Agreeing with Blizzard is not fanboying, anymore than disagreeing with them is hating them.

And all you do is call people conspiracy theorist who dare say something bad about bli$$ard or wow.

Wrong.
I do tend to disagree with people when they use anecdotal evidence and rumors and assumptions in their arguments about how Blizzard (you can't even write out their name without throwing in a comment about how they're greedy?) will do anything for money, despite the fact that they don't...

And as said, that's a 2 year old post, that no longer seems relevant. The threads no longer cap at 26 pages, and this would not negate the rules about not creating duplicate threads on a subject anyway. I really don't understand what your point is with this link.

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If you chose rock as a weapon, in order to beat a pair of scissors, don't start whining when you get pwn'd by a piece of paper.

And as said, that's a 2 year old post, that no longer seems relevant. The threads no longer cap at 26 pages, and this would not negate the rules about not creating duplicate threads on a subject anyway. I really don't understand what your point is with this link.

Huh, they still auto cap on the wow forums at 26 (the mod can over ride it) but I seen it in action myself less than a month ago when trying to post on a thread.

(easy way to tell is the CRZ feedback threads, go to a older one and they stop at 26 and they are not locked but you can't post in them)

I also have no proof that Santa Claus is not real.
Don't ask me to prove a negative, it's not proper.
If we're going to talk about evidence for or against, the burden of proof traditionally lies with the person making the claim.
The person presenting the assumption.

So no proff? got it

Originally Posted by LazyJones

You sound more angry than rational.
And my request was for "a post that got shut down despite being reasonal". I made no claim about your account or you getting "shut done".

Misread it than.

Originally Posted by LazyJones

Again: Agreeing with Blizzard is not fanboying, anymore than disagreeing with them is hating them.

Again calling people conspiracy theorist for disagreeing with blizzard is fanboying.

Originally Posted by LazyJones

Wrong.
I do tend to disagree with people when they use anecdotal evidence and rumors and assumptions in their arguments about how Blizzard

Your post history disagrees with you.

Originally Posted by LazyJones

(you can't even write out their name without throwing in a comment about how they're greedy?) will do anything for money, despite the fact that they don't...

Actually, "posting requirement". Not opionion. It's in the posting rules.

I like how one of the threads where about why was my thread locked. You your self talked about how moderation is not allowed to be talked about but like I said before their moderation is half assed.

Originally Posted by LazyJones

And as said, that's a 2 year old post, that no longer seems relevant. The threads no longer cap at 26 pages, and this would not negate the rules about not creating duplicate threads on a subject anyway. I really don't understand what your point is with this link.

Wrong thread do cap at 26 pages modes can raise the post cap

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Originally Posted by Dadwen

Huh, they still auto cap on the wow forums at 26 (the mod can over ride it) but I seen it in action myself less than a month ago when trying to post on a thread.

(easy way to tell is the CRZ feedback threads, go to a older one and they stop at 26 and they are not locked but you can't post in them)

Yeah is is also a person who keeps saying "the rules posted 2 years ago do not apply cause they are two years old"

---------- Post added 2013-01-09 at 01:42 PM ----------

From a Blizzard employee

Originally Posted by Zarhym

As you're probably aware, when these new forums were introduced the post-per-thread limit was almost... limitless. That made threads particularly difficult for everyone to follow. In a recent update we reinstated the 500-post cap which existed on the old forums. Unfortunately, at this time we're unable to extend that limit on individual threads. This functionality existed on the old forums and we hope to have it brought over to our new site as well.

We like that threads have a modest cap by default, but we definitely want the ability to open bigger discussions to more posts as needed.