Police Harrassment: "Surreptitious recording of a stop-question-and-frisk in New York"

Ah I hate dealing with cops I don't know if I could handle that. It's a sort of terrorism you know? I mean there are bound to be people out there
that have been made paranoid by this or avoid going to certain places or going out at all if they are targeted regularly. I considered moving to
Pittsburgh.. know if they have it there?

They do it there, don't know if they have it there. They stopped my son & his friend [my son was driving], twice in a short time span. On the
second stop the cops beat them up, and said they would kill them given the chance. Things are going from bad to worse.

Um, it's a violation of the 4rth amendment. Why are you defending this? They stop random people then frisk them for no reason. That is the policy.
9/10 of these people are always innocent, according to the NYPD statistics.

You're always shilling for the worst things imaginable, anti-wikileaks, pro-murderous military, and always pro-cop, even if they are doing
unconstitutional and other horrible things.You might as well go work for an NWO public relations office. I can only imagine you write all of this
stuff from your cul-de-sac privileged and sheltered existence.

I don't know a thing about who this kid is or what his background may be. Stop and Frisk is one thing, but it's that personal touch and attention
he gets too. It would appear, very personal and individual. Now the kid sure as heck isn't going to tell anyone if he's sitting as a suspect on..say a
sex offense, or a killing. Who knows?

Uh, his experience is normal. Just listen to the videos I posted at the bottom of page 1.

. Individual attention can be just as simple as, he got off or they can't get him on something they figure he absolutely did do and it's got them
pissed enough to try and bait him into doing something stupid.

No, cops like to harass minorities, all over the USA. They also work on quotas, so if they can set them off on a frisk and get an arrest, it means
career mobility for them. Did you not watch the video? Multiple ex-police officers admitted this.

(One other point which may matter and I'm not seeing anyone mention.... I heard the term Mutt used a lot growing up around cops. It's
interchangeable with suspect, perp, con, etc etc etc...just for context and not necessarily any slur beyond that..)

Yeah you heard it from cops because cops growing up because they're a heavily racist group of people and trained to racially profile. Mutt doesn't
mean anything other than a racial slur, sorry. But there there are always those people, always republicans, that try to make blatantly racist things,
somehow not racist. It's really pathetic.

Wouldn't matter if he was sitting on such offenses, BUT they state that he looked suspicious because he kept looking back at them, THEN later they
realize that he was in some sort of program and, and I am not sure about this, it sounds like they mention something about his father - I could have
sworn I heard them mention his fathers career as some sort of law enforcement.

These things should not happen, it doesn't matter who he is, ALSO they say there have been millions of these between 2004 and 2011 and quotas. I
don't think it's a case of anything more than bad cops violating rights. I mean going out to "violate some rights" is their open attitude. Also
NYPD is just one corruption case after another, they are the last cops on Earth that should have this power.

Well the mutt... I mean kid was obviously about to...
Any Leo's out there wanna defend these goons?
Any trolls wanna tell us how post 9 one one the "game" has changed.
Pfffffft.
And everyone else blah blah blah!! Oh I'm so outraged! Yeah right! What are you gonna do?

I find this comment ironic due to the fact that everyone is claiming NYC police are to harsh, then on the other hand Detroit doesn't have enough and
the city is in complete chaos.

So I guess the cusp of the matter is we are damned if the police are present and damned if they are not there.

While I don't agree with police being overly aggressive, I can understand why this happens. I personally think that police officer should be
courteous, and they would get much more respect. Criminal element take courteousy as a sign of weakness. Imagine not knowing when someone or group is
going to snap on you, do this full time as an officers and you have a defense mode going on 24/7. Why do police officers have such a high rate of
divorce?

Police have the most negative job in the world, they deal with dirt-bags everyday and that wears on even the most compassionate and understanding
person. Think about it 8 to 12 hours a day, sometimes 6 to 7 days a week would skew anyone's reality, especially in a major city.

Maybe if we gave police officers a 2 to 3 month break like teachers, then they would be able to get back in touch with their more compassionate
side.

Police that abuse their powers should be relieved of their position, without a doubt, but the fact remains their job deals with negative confrontation
and issues 96% of the time.

Here is a suggestion ask for a ride along with officers in a major city area for a couple of weeks and see exactly what they deal with, on a day to
day basis.

im white and i live in nyc. i have never been stopped and frisked even on occasions when i probably should have been stopped. i have quite a few
latino/black friends who say its a regular occurrence for them. pretty obvious that theres some racial profiling going on.

Originally posted by Realtruth
It's obvious you are twisting and adding words here to create drama. No where in my post did I state that police should be able to violate laws, or
"stomp on constitutional rights".

No, you didn't. But you DID say that they are damned if they are just being present.

Originally posted by Realtruth
So I guess the cusp of the matter is we are damned if the police are present and damned if they are not there.

I took it to mean that you agree with the violation of rights because you said they are damned for just being there (even though there is a huge
difference between just being there and stomping on constitutional rights).

So, are they damned for being present or damned for violating rights in this case?

Because I have yet to see someone claim that they are damned for just being present.

I think if an officer of the law abuses their powers they need to be disciplined/ or even dismissed if necessary, especially if they break the law,
but we need to understand both sides.

I think our current system is flawed, and officers are at a breaking point with crime. We only need to look at Detroit's current situation to see a
complete collapse and lawlessness. Officers in Detroit just don't care anymore because crime has completely over-run the city. They have even issued a
statement. "Enter The City at Your Own Risk"

This type of sh*t is an outrage. I know I'm gonna hear a bunch of crap over my next comment but I really don't give a damn.

I enjoy hearing stories where cops get shot andor killed.

My entire life I've lived in fear of police. I lived 95% of my life in NJ, near camden, near philly, been to NY- and I'm not afraid of getting mugged,
getting robbed, getting my @ss beat in the wrong nieghborhood, gangs, etc etc...

I'm afraid of the police. They have the power to ruin my life. And they have many times. Bogus tickets, fines, court costs- you name it. The
harassment, being pulled over for no reason and asked a million questions- where are you going, where did you come from, what are you doing etc.....
Non of your damn business! I'm a 31 year old white male with no felonies and a clean back ground. Man I feel for blacks and hispanics cause they get
it far worse. Numerous times I've got stopped for nothing, told I looked suspicious- asked a bunch of personal questions, then given a seatbelt or
failure to yield or other bogus ticket and told I'm lucky their being easy on me?? Then I have to get a lawyer, lose a day of work, and fight it in
court. Tickets always get dropped but it still costs money. And I just lost my job and my home!

If you stick up and defend the police then you must live in lala land or not mind the ever growing police state.

Half these guys are fricken animals and the rest that are saposidly "good cops" don't do anything and look the other way.

That problem is that you cannot enforce immoral laws under the guise of being a moral protector or crusader. I'm with you in the respect that anyone
that would shove all these rules down my throat is insulting me as an independently moral man. The police are a bunch of corrupt thugs and the blue
wall still exists.

Um, it's a violation of the 4rth amendment. Why are you defending this? They stop random people then frisk them for no reason. That is the policy.
9/10 of these people are always innocent, according to the NYPD statistics.

I have to agree with this point, all that other racist stuff aside.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized

I've never liked Terry frisks nor do I like highway checkpoints either. There should be probable cause before a search by an agent of the state.

The "Republicans want this" bit is a tad silly as these things have had support from both Democrats and Republicans for a long time.

But it seems to me that when the state of Arizona tried to legislate something along these lines, the federal government jumped all over it, calling
it racial profiling and suing the state to keep them from implementing it.

But in New York, this is being done without a peep from the federal government. Why is that? In both instances it appears to me that it really boils
down to the same thing: harrassing minorities.

I have no comment on that one aspect of your post lol, though I will say I do love it when they actually get punished beyond paid leave.

I agree, cops have way too much power and they do not serve their purpose anymore. They are out to rack up money for the government. That is it. They
make the government money, and the make prisons money. They are psychopathic tax collectors, and if you are alone with one you are very possibly in
danger and don't realize it.

I'm mad as hell right now. Stop and frisk?! IN AMERICA........AS ROUTINE POLICY?!

I've never heard of this until now. How could this stand up to constitutional scrutiny!?

When are you people... yes, you heard me right. YOU
PEOPLE. When are you people going to take responsibility for yourselves and stop entering into contract with those whose job it is to punish you for
entering into contract with them?

You might think I'm joking or trolling, but I assure you, I'm quite sincere. Almost all of you have been fooled into playing the fiction game. It's
not like you're shown another alternative as you're growing up in Western Industrial Society, so that can be overlooked. But you twinkies continue to
play sides and plead on your paper documents even under extreme abuse! You're amazing!

The Creator is trying to show you something extremely important, helpful, and beneficial. The pain is only what's necessary to gain your attention.

LEAVE THE SYSTEM. Contrary to popular belief, you don't have to go out to the middle of the forest to do so.

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