Interview of Michael T. Flynn, retired United States Army lieutenant general, former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)

Michael Flynn, former head of the intelligence service of the US Ministry of Defence from 2012-2014, visited Moscow in December at the invitation of the TV channel Russia Today, which recently celebrated its tenth anniversary. Known as a critic of the US invasion of Iraq and the international military operation in Libya, Michael Flynn talked to “Vlast” about the consequences of the Russian intervention in the Syrian conflict.

According to the television channel Al Jazeera, you were the first senior US official to state publicly that the United States, Turkey and Saudi Arabia were supplying groups inside Syria connected to “Al Qaeda” with weapons to overthrow Bashar al-Assad. Is that what you said?

No, it’s definitely not what I said. I meant that we support such diverse anti-Assad forces in Syria, such a variety of factions, it is almost impossible to figure out who is who and who is working with whom. The increasing complexity of the composition of the warring Syrian opposition has considerably complicated its identification. For this reason I am sure that from the point of view of US interests, we must once more take a step back and subject our strategy to review. Because the possibility that we will support forces linked to the “Islamic State” (an organization which is banned in Russia – Vlast), along with other anti-Assad forces in Syria does exist. We cannot act on a “straddle the fence” principle. We must very clearly define what we are trying to achieve and with whom we intend to work.

Which groups does the US support in Syria?

Oh God, too many. I remember we counted around 1,200 warring groups. I really believe that not one of us, including Russia, has a clear understanding of what we have to deal with there, but tactically it is very important to understand it. A one-sided view of the situation in Syria and Iraq would be a mistake.

Russia and the United States have differing opinions on the activities of rebel groups in Syria and cannot yet agree on a common list of terrorists. For example, Moscow proposes to include such radical groups as “Ahrar al-Sham” and “Jaish al-Islam.” What do you think of these groups?

Russia, like the United States, can declare certain groups to be terrorist organizations, taking the responsibility to do so in accordance with its own vision. I would like to believe that we – Russia and the United States – could have a really constructive conversation about this, discussing whether “Jaish al-Islam” or “Al-Shabab”, which is associated with “al-Qaeda”, or some other group should be designated as terrorists. In so doing we must provide each other with our precise criteria for the definition of terrorist groups.

However, regarding certain groups the USA is obviously wavering. For example, the Salafist group “Ahrar ash-Sham” incorporates a powerful jihadist component and has links to the terrorist organization “Jabhat al-Nusra”. Is this not enough?

Personally, I think that it is enough. “Jabhat al-Nusra” supports the “Islamic state.” All in all, I think it is now important for the United States to take a more realistic look at who’s who in this zoo. Because this is a zoo and one with wide-open cages. It’s a jungle. And so we have to define our common criteria for interacting with all of this.

But a decision must also be made on the Assad regime. Assad used chemical weapons against his own people, he violated international and moral law; he must be brought before an international tribunal. That is what I would recommend in this situation. We cannot consider such a person as a national leader.

When the whole story began, Assad tried to deal with each individual incident, in every part of the country, trying to pacify the protesters against the background of the Arab uprisings that swept through various countries. However, Assad did not recognize that he had one big problem in the whole of the country. He used the wrong means. In my opinion, he is very lucky to still be alive and in power. And Russia is the main reason why it is still the case. Russia, together with the international community, needs to decide whether we can live on the same planet with people like Assad. Can this person take a leadership position. Whether the Syrian people have the right to vote. Just think – ten million displaced persons – it is half the population of the country. We – the international community – must give the Syrian people the opportunity to choose, we must give the refugees the opportunity to return, we must give hope of a prosperous and sustainable state.

You stated that in 2012 the US government turned a blind eye to a report of the Pentagon’s Intelligence Agency headed by you detailing the substantial progress of radical Sunni Salafist groups among the Syrian opposition. Why did this happen?

This was intentional and was done for political reasons. The problem was that the investigation was carried out correctly, the Intelligence Agency informed the authorities about the real situation. And this, in my opinion, is the main function of the intelligence services – to speak truth to the authorities. If I tell the president the truth, but he does not like what he hears, it is not my problem. My problem is to provide an appropriate report.

The report mentioned among other things the significant deterioration of the situation in the region. In 2013 there were 300 bomb attacks on the territory of Iraq. The situation was getting worse. The decision to withdraw from Iraq eventually became one of the preconditions for the emergence of the “Islamic state”.

One of the reasons why for a long time the United States did not dare to supply weapons to the Syrian opposition was that there was no guarantee that these would not fall into the hands of radicals. Since then the situation has only worsened. Why did the US then decide in 2013 to supply arms?

I do not know what played a decisive role. I know one thing: we need to stop investing in the conflict. In supplying weapons to Syria, we kindle the conflict. And we are talking about Russia, too. We need to invest in security, and in this the community of Arab countries should also play a major role.

How serious, in your opinion, is the problem of support of radical Sunni groups by US allies? We’re talking about Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar? What can be done about this?

Let’s not play the information game. Because my counter-question to that is: what can be done about the fact that the Syrian regime’s ally Iran supports “Hezbollah”? “Hezbollah” is an international terrorist organization whose branches operate far beyond the Levant, it is absolutely precisely a serious security threat. Members of “Hezbollah” killed a lot of people not only in the Middle East. Hence, Iran is doing the same by sponsoring terrorism. Fruitful cooperation between Russia and the West is only possible if Iran becomes a part of the equation. In order to commence resolving the issue, we must recognize that Iran is part of the problem.

What are the possible consequences of the Russian intervention in the conflict?

From this viewpoint, the Russian intervention in the form it took immediately changed the balance and dynamics that existed before. I’d really like to talk about it with President Putin. After all, what consequences and what effect has he already experienced? We have seen the incident with the Russian warplane downed by Turkey, and also the explosion organised by the “Islamic State” on board an aircraft with Russian passengers, as a result of which many people died. They are overly disadvantageous consequences for the start of the intervention. Both are unacceptable, but they are real consequences.

President Putin’s decision to intervene in the conflict and to do what he was doing there is, in my opinion, connected to problems within Russia. Five to ten thousand Russian citizens are fighting in Syria which is partly why Russia wants to be there – so that these people do not return to Chechnya, Dagestan, Uzbekistan and Moscow. I think we did not recognize and did not realize this – that President Putin is trying to solve a problem that in reality already exists, and for which a part of the solution can be found in Syria and Iraq. The main problem is how we – I mean the great powers, Russia and the West – can work together. This is a major question. And this is not about diplomatic negotiations, it is about how we will work on the battlefield, in the information field and on the digital battlefield, which also exists in reality.

We firmly believe in the existence of a mutual interest in destroying this cancerous tumour that is radical Islam. If we don’t do this together, we will have to try to do it alone, which will be much more difficult.

As a young officer, I learned the rule that the best plan is the one that at the very last moment leaves you with the most alternatives. I wonder whether President Putin believes that he has the best plan? Does President Obama believe the same? When I look at what’s going on – how things are – I can see that a huge threat hangs over us. I don’t think we have left ourselves a sufficient variety of choices. And the direction in which we are currently moving leads to a widening of the conflict – to a major war. The closer we are to it, the higher the risks, the higher the price, the more limited our choices. So now it is important that we work together, the United States and Russia, to determine whether we can develop more opportunities together to stabilize the situation.

Does the US have a long-term strategy for Syria and for the region as a whole?

Here I can only give my own view on this issue. Considering I really do not understand what the US strategy of today is: it lacks definition, clarity and it lacks consistency. In my view, the strategy should consist of four components: first you need to achieve security, then you must stabilize the region, and then you begin to stimulate economic prosperity in the region, bringing back new ideas, new technologies and a new system of education. You need to give the region a sufficiently long period of time to develop.

In order that this can become a reality, the strategy must be implemented not only by the US and the West, but the regional powers Russia, China and India must also be involved. Since the current situation affects all of us, without exception. Because in the short term, we cannot continue to move in the direction, in which we are moving. This is unsustainable.

How can the “Islamic state” be defeated?

At this point, the military component must play a major role – the destruction of the “Islamic state” in the occupied territories. However, this is not enough.

After all, the roots of the problems are economic. It is necessary to promote the emergence of a viable regional economy. We must deprive radical Islamists of their justification, of the opportunity to blame the West for all the troubles in the region. Let us give these countries something in order to deprive the radicals of opportunities to influence young people.

In the long term it is also necessary to work against the spread of the Salafist and Wahhabi ideology. We need strong leaders in the religious community, who can prevent the spread of radicalism.

There is broad support for the “caliphate” project in the Muslim world and it is not only among the marginalized. In Saudi Arabia, which is the leader of the Islamic world and the official religious doctrine of which is Wahhabi Salafism, around 90% of the people believe that the norms established by the salafist “Islamic state” really correspond to Islam, according to the results of a survey, which appeared in Arab mass media.

I don’t believe it is 90%. And I do not think that Saudi authorities are happy that they are compared to the radicals or even that they are considered a part of this community. Although, no doubt, there is a Saudi component (in the “Islamic state” – „Vlast“).

President Obama once said (commenting on Vladimir Putin’s proposal made to the UN General Assembly to create a joint anti-terrorist coalition- „Vlast“) that the US-led coalition had 60 members whereas President Putin had only two (he was referring to Iran and Assad – „Vlast“). This is not how we should be talking. Today there are representatives of 80 countries in the ranks of the “Islamic State”. Their coalition is bigger than ours. There are around 20 to 30 thousand foreign fighters in Syria. Why? It’s not just the Saudis. It is the ideology, which was introduced in many countries and which converted people there to “true believers.” We must work together to come up with ways to counter this dangerous enemy. And for that we need to include getting rid of the white liberal guilt complex.

Barack Obama’s speech at Cairo University in 2009 was seen by many as the beginning of a change in US policy in the Middle East. He created the image of a “friend of Islam.” Has the policy really changed in recent years? How would you evaluate it from today’s standpoint?

I do not think that it has become qualitatively different. President Obama, by the way, spoke about this recently in his speech in the Oval Office. We have not changed the direction of our policy – it still consists of the fight against terrorism. That is, we continue to do what our country has decided it should do. US policy today lacks transparency, clarity and consistency. I think we just have to admit that it’s not working. However, Russian policy is also not entirely clear. Russian intervention is becoming an increasingly important factor, it fundamentally changed the dynamics and we have to work with it. Better together than separately.

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What is weird? American (and Western in general) MSM is controlled by Zionists. They are who decide what American/Western zombified public is allowed to see/hear and what is not. If something doesn’t fit in their narrative, then it’s omitted, censored, rejected, ignored, misrepresented.

Because they want to saturate the media with krap. Now that the MSM is 100% controlled propaganda, they are finding opposition to their narrative in some parts of the world, so they think these kinds of manipulations would make people question the reality based suppositions they had developed.. It started in the US the same way… a clear example is Iraq where most evidence was Iraq had no nuclear or chemical weapons programs but everything was proof that the Iraqi’s were hiding such programs, which required huge resources and tens of thousands of man power.. Slowly that kind of doubt was turned into reality test tubes of soap power that was going to be dropped on new york.. Using giant balloons.. I see this as the same thing.. Remember, huffington post was the only MSM outlet that brought soviet satellite pictures of where the US said Iraq was massing for an attack on Saudi Arabia in 91 but they only got pictures of sand dunes.. These days they are one of the worst manipulators of public opinion.. Some other outlets like AJ was against invasion of Iraq.. But they print lies now about syria and those not willing to lie are deported.. When they got banned in Egypt, I believe they were lying as well and the Egyptians realized it. After all,it was their own country that was being set up for slaughter..

Because they have become realists. They realize ideology is a trap. You need real partnerships with other great nations to fight this war, to repair the regions, to stabilize and build economies.

Flynn is a realist. You can’t do good Intel gathering and analysis if you are an ideologue. It skews the data and recommendations.

There are now a panoply of Americans, congresswoman from Hawaii, congressman from California, generals and Flynn, and most importantly, Donald Trump who are actively pushing for a working relationship with Russia.

Realism. It is the first requisite for eventual ceasefire and diplomatic solutions. Of course, with ISIS and AQ, the destruction of those proxy armies must occur also.

There are many different ways to interpret things. There is the old adage: Prepare for the worst but hope for the best. It is likely that in the Pentagon there are people with finite wisdom and understanding (also confined by organizational restraints and perhaps loyalties) who reason thus: It is inevitable that there is going to be a major war and given the way things are going it will be better for US sooner rather than later. Then something happened which caused some of these people to reassess the whole sooner versus later thing.

Another angle would be a good cop/ bad cop strategy. In addition to Flynn, and possibly Dempsey, Kissinger advocates working with Russia.

And then there’s the breakaway civilization angle, neo-Ottoman resurgence and economic regionalism a la trilateralism but I am not going to go there. Suffice it to say that Mammon is also a spiritual force of sorts. I got to go, when I was sent to my room I was introduced to the Harry Potter books. I am starting book five.

May I begin with a suggestion that the “anonymous” commenters, (as there are several of them, and therefore it is difficult to follow the contributions of each [individual anonymous]) -a bit of humor intended, be given numbers?

Surely this is a reasonable suggestion. Anonymous-1, Anonymous-2, Anonymous-3 ???

I think that we misjudge Flynn when we say he came out on “our side”. I don’t see that. He spoke the truth on “some” things. But parroted US talking points on others. We shouldn’t go overboard approving him siding on “some points” with Russia. While overlooking the many that he doesn’t agree with. And since he was in charge of the DIA for years. His saying on several questions “I don’t know” was very evasive. I don’t doubt for a minute he knows “exactly” the answers to those questions. But realizes they are so far from Russia’s interests that it was best to pretend he didn’t know about them.Basically,it comes down to the old adage “Don’t trust the West” (or their spokesmen).

I’m with you Uncle Bob 1. The truths Flynn speaks are partial, at best, and the many omissions are not accidents.

How do you criticize an insane policy of the Obama administration, and most of the US globalist establishment and still keep your pension?

Very carefully, while pretending all sorts of things (US “nation-building” intent in the Middle East, for example) are true that you absolutely know are pure nonsense.

The intent is to tear apart Libya, Syria, Iran, Russia and finally China and destroy and loot them all while pretending to be the saviors of the world.

I think it is good that our US military is not a complete neocon monolith, and I can believe that Flynn and Dempsey and a few others would rather cooperate with Russia than force war on Russia, but I wish they were a lot freer to call a spade a spade. The mincing of words and evasion of the blunt truth is quite disappointing to see in action. But realistically, what else can we expect? How much freedom to they have to really speak the truth? Not much, apparently.

Be happy if that changes slightly and incrementally, over time, and the big war is avoided, and some of these guys do whatever they can do in that direction.

Guys, the DIA is the only alphabet soup agency that doesn’t take BS from the CIA. But even these formidable independent men and women have to handle the truth as if it were a live grenade. They are very dexterous. If somebody made a TV show about the relationship between the CIA and DIA, it would be way more fascinating than anything anybody ever saw on the X-Files or 24.

I felt much the same way. My BS detector started to beep when I read the line about ideology motivating IS — as if ideology pays the bills. When he said that he wasn’t entirely certain what US policy objectives were, I wasn’t surprised– We’re talking about an empire in its terminal stage– How about World order pipe dreams plus a healthful dash of cynicism?

Why didn’t your BS detector beep (about 12 paragraphs before that) when he said that Assad used chemical weapons “on his own people”? That is a bald accusation, and in fact the only evidence points toward the insurgents, with chemicals supplied by Turkey.

I read a few of the comments first, so I kept looking for the “half truths” but couldn’t find any. Besides the generic blah, blah about education and development, there was nothing but fabrication. Flynn’s mission, while touting cooperation, is to subvert. I’m sure the Russians see through this. Everybody else did. (Others at the RT conference in Moscow speculated that Flynn is bucking for a position in the next administration.)

That’s about the page I’m on. Look at his position on Hezbollah, supposedly terrorists equivalent to al Nusra. Pull the other one, it has bells on. So often the Americans don’t even bother to point to any terrorist activities they’re going to try to pin on people when they call them “terrorists” or “sponsors of terrorism”, they just make a vague, naked claim and for the media that’s enough. So with Hezbollah or, until recently, Cuba, they don’t actually have anything much they’re supposed to have done that’s “terrorist” aside from “Defend themselves when the Israelis invaded” or “Refuse to hand their island over when told”, but it doesn’t matter. Even an American ex-official who’s taken a blinker off one eye still is careful not to see past the blinker he’s keeping firmly affixed to the other.

I see Flynn as a supporter of Vision 2020 advocating Full Spectrum Domination, not in any sense an apologist for Outlaw US Empire policy–or–upholding his oath to defend the Constitution. And since he failed to even try to do anything, I consider him guilty of Treason and numerous war crimes.

I wish everybody from Saker, to those reading Saker’s blog, as well as the Donbass people, a healthy, happy and prosperous year 2016, with some good luck thrown in – you never know when you need it!
I also wish all good people in the Donbass an end to warfare there – with the withdrawal of the attacking Ukrainian government forces etc – Peace, more Peace, and even more Peace! Followed by reconstruction, growth and wealth, and better relationships than before.
However, this does NOT include those satanic ***** who have caused so much death and destruction, particularly – from my pov – in the Donbass, to whom I wish God’s speediest fear, wrath and judgement.

It is certainly reasonable to post interviews with Unites States Army Generals, or anyone else.

Disagreement on many, or all issues, is usually preferable for establishing a learning environment, to the stultifying atmosphere of enforced political orthodoxy. “Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a hundred schools of thought contend.” Who said that?

The bell for Round 1 has just sounded:

Defense Intelligence Agency General, Michael T. Flynn, under the guise of being a ‘reasonable,’ and ‘balanced’ (non-politically-biased), individual, nevertheless manages to repeat the same Zionist American Imperialist propaganda lies, over and over again. We will number a few.

*I did this numbering with my students, and when I prepared for exams; believe it helped.

1. “Assad used chemical weapons against his own people, he violated international and moral law;” He makes the statement, as if it is a proven fact, while providing no verification.

[There is No (balancing) mention by the General of US use of Napalm, or agent Orange, in Vietnam, or of Uranium tipped munitions in Iraq, or of a thousand other war crimes conducted by his Army. Just who has “violated international and moral law”?]

2. ” Russia, together with the international community, needs to decide whether we can live on the same planet with people like Assad. Is this general little biased?

[This one’s a beaut. One might ask if we can live on this planet with people like Nat Rothschild, Cheney, Clinton, or McCain?]

3. ““Hezbollah” is an international terrorist organization” And not the Zionists, or America’s Government? Can he prove that?

[This General would have called the Minutemen at Lexington and Concord, terrorists. Of course he would deny that now.]

4. ” Iran is doing the same by sponsoring terrorism.” And, “we must recognize that Iran is part of the problem.” Hello! See a pattern here?

[Iran and its people have been the victims – of the Anglo Zionist American terrorists, from before the days of the Mossadegh]

5. “we need to include getting rid of the white liberal guilt complex.” Recognize that one?

[As if white -imperialist- liberals (Clintons, Kerrys, Bushes, Emanuel, etc., have a ‘guilt complex.’ Is puppet Obomber a white liberal? No identification offered. Just who and what are they?]

And: The Big Lie:

6. “We have not changed the direction of our policy – it still consists of the fight against terrorism.”

[Two points must be made here:
One: The clever General insists that he and his minions are not the Terrorists, as they “fight against terrorism.”
Two: By the use of the pronoun “we,” the good General hopes to include – us, the passive citizens of the USA, in his imperialist crimes, and those of his masters.]

7. The General’s biggest lies are contained in his omissions. I’ll letter these:

a. While discussing the political situation in the Middle East, the fine General fails to mention the Zionist Land Thieves, or their major victims, the Palestinians. Apparently, they are not considered by him to be a causal factor of the terror. This particular omission – screams.

b. He fails to identify the actual Terrorists, those who have orchestrated the murder of millions of Arabs and the destruction of entire nations.

c. For this General, History does not exist. It is people like him, who could put me out of a job.

The Last Round:

General, Flynn, sweet talks for the Rubes. He promises them hope. He repeats the “same old, same old.” The bribe is offered. -There does not have to be more war, or a nuclear conflict. -Just dump President Assad, allow Syria to be atomized- and the sanctions will be dropped on Russia’s elite, and Vladimir Putin can find employment as the Chief Gauletier in an atomized Russia.

For the Democratic Republics, including the one we must restore in America!

Those were the exact points I was making,thanks Peter. Being in the position he was in. Its not that he “forgot ” or “didn’t know”. It was out and out lying. And as you rightfully pointed out: ” General, Flynn, sweet talks for the Rubes. He promises them hope. He repeats the “same old, same old.” The bribe is offered. -There does not have to be more war, or a nuclear conflict. -Just dump President Assad, allow Syria to be atomized- and the sanctions will be dropped on Russia’s elite, and Vladimir Putin can find employment as the Chief Gauletier in an atomized Russia.”

After seeing how hezbolla fights, if i saw one of them with 9 bars I would be really impressed… Even a IRGC general is impressive considering the dozen or so of them that have been killed in battle..

A US colonel or general having a chest full of bars means well nothing really… They dont even hold a gun.. A combat zone against cave dwellers? In the green zone???? Those soviet generals with chest full of bars and medals.. thats earned.. in COMBAT not a zone…

And I fail to see what is so honorable about a liar.. and I call him that. maybe a pissboy is more appropriate.. as he has not said many honorable things in that interview.. Does the guy have ANY ethics?

Heroic detractor from top .gov intelligence agency gives interview in Moscow of all places about the ‘shortcomings’ of US Middle East policy while still managing to parrot crucial parts of the official narrative? Sounds like he’s trying to draw in that niche domestic audience that reads RT, questions the official story, and are very well educated on the facts – you know, the type that are good at convincing their dumber friends to open their eyes a bit.

Flynn comes off as a Snowden type, a brave man who became fed up with the lies of the empire and broke ranks with the top to speak against the evil. If he is actually still employed with the empire, these moves gain the trust of the questioners, giving Flynn credibility in their eyes, and allowing them to absorb his message without too much critical thought. The purpose is to insert key points of the empire’s narrative in his ‘dissenting’ message naturally without drawing the main focus of the his interview to those points. In the end, those key points will stick with a young, influential, and socially active niche domestic audience.

If you can sneak key parts of your message to convince the thought leaders, you not only muddy the waters of the domestic conversation, you actually convert the thought leaders, who would otherwise be a thorn in your side ideologically, into heralds who convincingly spread your message to their followers for free. No need to pay a news anchor or analyst big bucks.

Main point: US helped create ISIS

Secret focus: Assad, Hezbollah just as evil as ISIS

If a brave dissenter like Flynn, who is somehow risking something by giving this interview, calls out US policy (which will never be reported in the MSM to keep the bulk of the sheep in line) but believes that Assad is bad, then Assad must be bad.

“It looks like the US is indirectly supporting ISIS and some of our allies are directly supporting them…”

“Really??”

“Yeah, but that Assad guy is also pure evil.”

The end result is that if they are convinced into arguing against Assad being part of the solution, they automatically fall into the camp of regime change cheerleaders (one way or another) and convince their dumber friends who turn to them for direction on bigger global topics to fall into the same camp.

I’m no expert and may be totally wrong, Flynn may be genuine, but it could be the case that he is still employed with the empire and has purposefully built up a reputation of a dissenter to sneak the empire’s narrative into dissenting media. It could also work to convince the Russians (since it was published in a Russian outlet) to question the official policy of their government.

Oleg, I have no idea about this particular Michael T. Flynn, other than what Peter J. Antonsen listed above … but there is no doubt in my mind that the general principle, which you’re referring to, of sneaking in collateral poisoned messages in the wake of a titulary main message in order to disconcert dissident public forums is both routinely applied by forum shills and quite effective. I think I’ve often been duped by this, and probably still am … although less often I flatter myself to think everytime I perceive an example of such a duplicitous comment on this forum … maybe I’ve just become paranoid ?! 8-)

Forum shills have been real for a long time. That first became apparent to me in 2007 when reading the comment sections of the Süddeutsche Zeitung, one of the top mainstream propaganda outlets in Germany catering to a leftie/liberal public. Certain posters would constantly bash Iran, China, Russia, while praising the USA and NATO. This in itself was not evidence, but there were certain copy/paste patterns to their actiivity which, along with other aspects, led me to conclude that they must be paid for their posts.

But those German NATO trolls were primitive. There are much more elaborate shilling techniques.

Those “thought leaders” you describe, epitomized by Democracy Now, were prominent before the assault on Libya, clouding the judgment of their followers by insisting that Gaddafi was a “brutal dictator” (the accusation of choice), and screaming about R2P to soften any resistance to military action.

As for Lumi’s “forum shills”, this ‘Anonymous’ who lauds the noble boys at DIA and chides you for ‘over-analysis’ probably wants us to believe that there’s no such thing as a psyop.

Flynn never said anything we didn’t already know. US policy spawned ISIS, what else is new. So, DIA provided a warning to Obama years ago. The CIA was probably disputing that at the same time, so deniable responsibility for the White House even. Now Flynn lies up one side and down the next. If anyone is new to seeing this game, re-read Oleg and Lumi.

He isn’t that “stupid” (except for serving evil). He was trying to “pull the wool over our eyes”. Also known as “lying through his teeth”. He was using half-truths on some points to cover the big lies. And to get the Russians to trust him. Hopefully they don’t fall for that trick. Like Gorbachev did when he fell for the “we won’t move NATO one foot further East than Germany” trick .

Would you think the same of angela merkel ?. Would that extend to other politicans. I often wondered if the uk parliment were evil or stupid, eventually deciding on stupid. I think they belive what they are told.

But surly they cant all be that stupid, yet there is no open resistance. And surly they cant all be psychopaths. This is not an easy puzzel to figure out.

Its not an idle question. I’ve been trying to figure this out for about twenty years. nothing fits. If there lying then its simple and we know how to move forward.

But I think most people believe what there told. Can I take it we on this site understand that means the masses are stupid (I understand the issues here). But this is the key question.

I provided a referenced 50 page report complete with video evidence to amnesty Ireland and received no reply. I have attempted to contact european politicians and national reporters with irrefutable evidence and received no reply. I refuse to believe these people are simply “Evil”.

After the “Syrian regime” used chemical weapons to kill little children in Damascus, A leading “Left wing” journalist asked a leader of the Irish coalition party what he thought of “This terrible business in Syria” . The politician replied “Its very difficult, but international law prevents us from coming to there aid, what can you do ?”. I had previously supplied credible evidence to the “Journalist” and received no reply.

I could try to believe these people are evil but it doesn’t fit, I think they just believe what there told. The politician should have been informed by our foreign office, security service and the Syrian and Russian foreign office. What the hell is happening here. Have they been contacted ?

This is important. If there lying (Sociopath) its simple but something else is going on here. Has anyone tried talking to these people, whats going on ?

More thoroughly: In the penultimate SITREP on Germany, published on December 4th, “C” raised almost exactly the same question with regard to Axel Springer’s CEO Mathias Döpfner, based upon the latter’s haughty, preposterous editorial about the Paris attacks:

“It’s hard to say if he is this brainwashed himself, or whether he knows that he is misleading people”

And the interesting thing which becomes quite conspicuous when comparing Flynn and Döpfner is this: Both serve the Zionazi Western Empire 100% , but Döpfner is an ideologue or, rather, a mere charlatan. Of course he knows he’s fooling people, but since he is being handsomely rewarded for doing so, he enjoys and identifies himself with the garbage. Bribery breeds consent and cynicism. There is no contradictions or “schizophrenia” pertaining to this state of mind.

Flynn, by contrast, is an apparatchik in the armed wing of imperialism. There, lies and outright chauvinistic imbecilities — such as those promoted by Döpfner — are taken very seriously. Stupidity dressed up as patriotism is the norm.

Bottom line: The servants of Western Zionazi Empire wallow in dishonesty and depravity; usually no intellectual efforts required for their paychecks.

» So is [Flynn] lying ? Or stupid ? Or both […] Is it possible that he is really that stupid ? Thats not a hypothetical question, its an important question. «

He is concerned with what is true and what is false only as per the Power Elite’s definition of reality. It’s not reality as common people understand it. Rather, it is dogmatic point of view where certain points, such as immaculate conception, function as dogmata and must be defended.

Flynn does not appear stupid. He is a liar, yes, that’s what I’d call him … but in his own view he is not a liar, he is just adhering to dogmatic reality, following the agenda, playing his part. Consider that if you are inclined otherwise you’re not going to make a career to the top.

Lies are only considered harmful when they come to be seen as lies. And there is a wide array of distractive or deceptive tactics to prevent this from happening.

Merkel, Hollande, Cameron, Obama – none of them is stupid, they’re all systematic liars, but this is not how they see themselves, this is not how they’re portrayed by MSM, and this is not how they’re seen by common people. The system of Western Democracy requires, selects and rewards people who evolve into systematic liars during their career.

The MSM system won’t confront the top leaders with tough questions that would destabilize their image of honesty and moral integrity in the eyes of the sheeple.

Don’t know about the UK, but simple Members of Parliament in Germany have social and material benefits from their position. If you see how they act and vote, you cannot help but conclude that the majority of them are corrupt, coward, and conformist. Some are stupid indeed, others are liars.

Think about it as a career choice where loyalty to the party line is required. The system is not at all what it pretends to be. It is based on lies and selects its functionaries among those who can go along with that fact.

The system is very stable because it has full-spectrum mental dominance over people’s minds. Blogs like this one only reach a few people. And most people won’t be interested anyway.

If you say that “the masses are stupid”, well, sure, in a way they are, but don’t think of it too much as a defect, rather as an effect, as the accomplishment of the ruling system.

Also, wouldn’t it be odd if the the masses were smart and their leaders stupid? Everyone can see it has to be the other way round.

Kev poses the “stupid or evil?” question and Lumi, Nussiminen and others have provided excellent answers. I just want to add one insight, gained about 30 years ago, that answered for me the kind of perplexity that Kev expresses.

An American in a political meeting I attended, clearly beginning to grasp the dimensions of the international strategic problems and solutions discussed there, and feeling oppressed by the stark realization that the general public was apparently oblivious to matters he was beginning to comprehend, raised his hand and asked why nearly all of his fellow Americans were so stupid as to neither desire to comprehend what was happening to them,nor,much less, to act righteously for their own larger interests or those of the nation, or of mankind.

“The problem is not that the American people are stupid.”, came the speaker’s reply. “The problem is that they are very small and the problems are very large, and so they conclude that they must go along in order to get by, and to get by they conclude that the easiest and SMARTEST thing to do is to pretend to be stupid!”

This is the root cause of tragedy exhibited so commonly by ordinary people, which you also see in the disappointing and obvious flaws of Michael Flynn and most others like him, in every part of the world, in institutions. “Go along to get along!” is their conscious or unconscious motto.The exceptions to this sort of behavior are heroes and leaders of humanity who commit their lives to an opposite principle. They are extremely rare.

MSM is plastering pages and pages to that liar in chief droner of kids in far away places.. The tears.. oh the tears.. the pooa pooa guy.. the pain.. deh pain.. the constipation…

so now you have a class of people.. The Liars.. and the people.. Do the liars ever contribute anything? Seems they are very good at sucking the blood of the very people they supposedly are helping.. So they ARE dangerous.. They don’t contribute anything so they use lies to show they are productive.. a nasty combination.. parasitic narcissistic vermin.

So you are wrong.. They are so dangerous and harmful that they destroy the very fabric of society..
Like the unraveling of the US… slowly but surely it will implode without anyone else’s help.. the slow motion implosion taking place is just amazing to watch from the outside..

The latest is that IS mercenaries are being moved on a massive scale to Libya and Yemen. Only spoiler forces left behind to slow down and harass offensives, mostly low level natives and kids for suicide attacks. Hence why the YPG quick advance in taking the dam in syria and ISF taking Ramadi.. From thousands they have dropped into groups of less than 100’s.

A declassified secret US government document obtained by the conservative public interest law firm, Judicial Watch, shows that Western governments deliberately allied with al-Qaeda and other Islamist extremist groups to topple Syrian dictator Bashir al-Assad.

The document reveals that in coordination with the Gulf states and Turkey, the West intentionally sponsored violent Islamist groups to destabilize Assad, and that these “supporting powers” desired the emergence of a “Salafist Principality” in Syria to “isolate the Syrian regime.”

Hypocrisy

The revelations contradict the official line of Western governments on their policies in Syria, and raise disturbing questions about secret Western support for violent extremists abroad, while using the burgeoning threat of terror to justify excessive mass surveillance and crackdowns on civil liberties at home.

Among the batch of documents obtained by Judicial Watch through a federal lawsuit, released earlier this week, is a US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document then classified as “secret,” dated 12th August 2012.

The West’s Islamists

The newly declassified DIA document from 2012 confirms that the main component of the anti-Assad rebel forces by this time comprised Islamist insurgents affiliated to groups that would lead to the emergence of ISIS. Despite this, these groups were to continue receiving support from Western militaries and their regional allies.

Noting that “the Salafist [sic], the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI [al-Qaeda in Iraq] are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria,” the document states that “the West, Gulf countries, and Turkey support the opposition,” while Russia, China and Iran “support the [Assad] regime.”

‘Supporting powers want’ ISIS entity

In a strikingly prescient prediction, the Pentagon document explicitly forecasts the probable declaration of “an Islamic State through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria.”

Nevertheless, “Western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey are supporting these efforts” by Syrian “opposition forces” fighting to “control the eastern areas (Hasaka and Der Zor), adjacent to Western Iraqi provinces (Mosul and Anbar)”:

Lets not forget that the General interviewed in this article was the head of the organization you just mentioned in your post. And in the time period of the report you talked about. Which proves he just lied in the article here when he said the US wasn’t “knowingly” aiding the terrorists.

and that whistle blowing wife of the military intelligence, her videos all suggest that there is real carnal garbage that anyone of Flynn’s position has to submit to….I have wondered from the beginning of seeing him on interviews, whether he was part of that scene…the wife indicated that no one who was NOT part of that scene (of anal sex at parties and drunken-ness), couldn get to the top…

The big thing is pedophiles. Remember Marc Dutroux? Brussels, Belgium … Belgian government, EU, NATO? Dutroux was a small fish, but there were ties to very high up in society and government. I think it has never been fully investigated or disclosed.

The way I’ve come to understand this is that it may help a guy’s career in a Western Democracy if he is a pedophile because then he is blackmailable and 100 % reliable. So he can be trusted to function according to how the Western Democratic System needs him to function. No arm twisting needed, just remind him of the photo/video evidence.

This movie (lasts one hour) helped me understand this abject pedophile issue and how it relates to Power in Western Democracies:

This is about Boys Town, Omaha, Nebraska, about Lawrence King (an afroamerican business man, not to be confused with TV personality Larry King), and about how he served the Western Democratic Elite in the USA by supplying orphaned children as sex toys and control tools to Democratic Perverts.

This is so rotten that it makes perfect sense as the sexual equivalent of U.S. Democratic Terrorist Interfering in other nations’ lives on this planet. These people are rotten at the core so blowing up a passenger airplane (Kogalymavia/Metrojet 9268, 31.10.15) or remoting it against a mountain (GermanWings 9525, anglo signature date 3/24/15) is nothing for them.

There’s also some pedophile scandal going on in the UK. Haven’t followed it. No doubt it’s going to be covered up because it is tied to the rotten heart of Western Democracy as it actually exists (as opposed to how it is projected to the screen as an illusion for the sheeple).

In Germany, the left-wing social democrat SPD Multikulti pro-immigration anti-German Opinion Leader in the »Fight against all things Right-Wing« (»Kampf gegen Rechts«) Sebastian Edathy, who 24/7 claimed the Moral High Ground on Everything, has turned out to be a rotten pedophile. Not in act, but in media consumption – bad enough. There’s been a scandal, yes, but the fact that the »Kampf gegen Rechts« was led by a rotten pedophile has, unsurprisingly, been swept under the rug by MSM.

A military source said that the so-called “emir” (prince) of Jabhat al-Nusra terror organization in Idleb countryside Hossein al-Aswad was killed along with 13 other terrorists, and that a number of machinegun-equipped and armored vehicles and one base for “Ahrar al-Sham Movement” terrorists were destroyed هn al-Naqir, al-Habeet and Khan al-Subul in Idleb southern countryside.

I look forward to reading the great comments here just as much as the articles.
Just as pointed out, the Lt. General’s stand point is still that of the establishment minus the crude anti-Russia narrative that we get bombarded with all day long in the US media. Although there is the claim of lofty goals in the Middle East/ Syria, (security, stability, economic, prosperity, and ” a new education system”?) The bottom line: None of those supposed ideals can be achieved without, of course, outside intervention from the US. (oh Russia, China, etc. can follow our lead.)

Ah more krap! IS is disbanding now that nato advisers and controllers have left the building in case they get bombed out of existence by the Russians. Those counting somehow say 29 turkish intelligence operatives have been sent to “meat” with virgin zombies.. There are still hundreds of thousands of idiots who actually believe in the hype and propaganda so this is not over.. But without nato logistics and supplies these guys are not effective except as guerrillas.

Report / «Daash» has a weapon of mass destruction against himself …

With the end of the year 2015, what is the map of the presence of the organization «Islamic State» (Daash) and his achievements on the battlefield and the possibility of its continuation?

By monitoring the movement of organization and communication with its members during the past two years, it has proven to be able to penetrate the social fabric wherever there are Muslims around the world, but his presence and ruin woes drag on the Muslim community, in particular the Sunni community.

In Iraq, for example, and since the establishment of the organization, the rock cliff and Mahmudiyah lost and cemeteries and areas of Abu Ghraib. Here is the capital of Anbar fell from his hand after it was destroyed by more than 80 percent and the abandonment of all its inhabitants. Baquba and Muqdadiyah also lost Jalawla East and Iraq, and pure and Dhuluiya and country and Dujail and Samarra and the role and Tikrit and Awja (which also hit of mass destruction) and the Baiji refinery and the city as well as Amerli and Tuz and areas west of Kirkuk. The latest loss also border town of Sinjar, what makes for a list of territories which are still controlled by this organization is shorter than the list of areas to defeat, but it is the cause of heavy losses, both human and material, after leaving or take it out of them.

Yes, you can «Daash» took the initiative and the occupation of land in Iraq and Syria, but he fails to install victories, confirms that their organization is to enter the town or city and portray his presence to give payment required emigrants to supporters around the world, especially young people, to sing b «heroic and Malahmeh», rejecting any theory, such that this organization lost or withdraw «withdrawal Tktaa» from areas occupied.

And became «Daash» prisoner motto «remain and expand» and that «state» not organize, but he did not pay attention to the most basic things that pertain to any state, which is recognized border, or even unrecognized. The limits control regulation zones in Iraq in continuous contraction, as well as in Syria, especially in the north, where the Kurdish progress towards Manbej, and although the killings and slaughter committed by the «Daash» and posted on the social networking screens took effect in the first months of battles, but they are no longer useless, all means of killing slaughtered and hanging and drowning and explosives and chipping drained, until he became the organization is eroding internally, and kills Walia here and Mujahideen there within its territory and depicts the extent banditry and chopping hands to attract the media, which walked away too much about the media Moryate and become more sensitive about the transmission of publications which it became possible to predict .

And he was able to «opinion» get some correspondence between the members of the organization who are within the walls of his control, which indicate that he was suffering internal problems and a sharp decline in the number of immigrants fighters to him, as well as in logistics, especially medical, where medium and dangerous injuries all become deadly to the lack of crew Medical on the battlefield, but the medication was limited to members of the organization who have completed courses ambulance wars, making the veins injuries or lung, eye or legs is very dangerous due to lack of required expertise in the right place.

If, yes «Daash» have a weapon of mass destruction against himself, and against militants, where there is or enters, he recorded some victories temporary in places like South Aleppo or insulting village open, without thinking of supplying troops or even any prospect for any attack by and go on the attack from all axes to defend what the rest of his places, except some roses media act with the tactical horizon, which come back and lose again, just as happened in the offensive. All these facts indicate that «Daash» Horizon has not, it is clear that 2016 will be a very tough year it or what will remain of it.

If you did not get the gist of this, It is this that an organized gang of mercenaries with NATO logistics takes over a village or town, then takes a few pictures and let the gangs take over from there.. And then they leave for the next fight.. Now that those towns have no police or security, it just becomes another fiefdom for criminals. It is how they took over large parts of Syria and Iraq. When nato had free reigns of the skies and the countries, when ever the government of said countries tried to evict the criminals, nato would slow down the government forces and bring in their mercenaries for support.. Since the governments are not strong enough to defeat nato.. They have to fall back.. rinse repeat again and again.. Until Russia started bombing these nato reserves,you could not advance against not only the fire power but nato developed tactics..

Fighting guerrillas is tough business.. losses are high so going is slow.. But you make gains as nato logistics are denied in the area where the Russians are operating. Unlike before where you lose more territory if you attack, now you make small gains. This fine tuning is what is waiting for Russia and China when nato gets a mercenary force strong enough and trained enough for such tactics. If you cna imagine what a small bunch trained in Afghanistan did to Chechnya.. Imagine a force 100 times as strong and well equipped..

It will never happen.. For the same reason, Russia, India or China will never support terrorists.. It has to do with international law fro one and also they are in the line of fire where these same terrorists will move in on their boss’s turf.. Pakistan is getting a good lesson as a terrorist supporter.. We dont hear about it but last I looked there were like 400 suicide bombers there.. That was almost as high as Iraq.. Its like under 5 in Russia, China and India..

US can play the game because they control so much on the planet and it is not easy to get to.. I expect Turkey to end up like iraq.. Those terrorists are running off from Iraq and Syria.. They have to go somewhere and the mercenaries will go back to their day paying jobs but the really mind washed heathens, well they are really criminals playing jihadi.. It would like the gangs of new york.. except these guys have tasted sweet pork..

Awww Krap… Here is the English version of this article and it looks quite different than the translated one….. Kind of like ordering a hamburger in china.. it aint gonna be quite what you expected at mcdonalds…

ISIS suffering lack of foreign fighters, military and medical supplies: The Self proclaimed “Islamic State” has Weapon of Mass Destruction against itself By Elijah J. Magnier

With the end of the year 2015, where is the self-proclaimed “Islamic State” (ISIS) present on the map of Iraq, the accomplishments on the battlefield and the possibility of its continuation?

ISIS proved able to breach Muslim social societies around the world. It has success through spreading its aim through ideological thoughts already existing in many defined Muslim schools. But it has attracted horrors and devastation on the Muslim community, in particular the Sunni he claimed to defend.

In Iraq, for example, and since the establishment of the “state” in July 2014, ISIS has lost the South of Baghdad Jurf al-Sakher, Mahmudiyah, Al-Madaeen. On the West, western Abu Ghraib, Ameriyat al-Fallujah and Ramadi (the capital of Anbar is falling out of its control but destroyed by more than 80 percent and its inhabitants are refugees). East and North, the cities of Baquba, Muqdadiyah, Jalawla, al-Khales, Dhuluiya, Dujail, Balad, around Samarra, al-Alam, al-Door, Tikrit, Awja, Baiji (refinery and the city), Amerli, Tuzkhormato, most west of Kirkuk and Sinjar. It would be shorter to mention the list of territories which are still controlled by this terrorist group. Nonetheless, most cities that ISIS has lost have been destroyed and the inhabitants, mainly Sunni, suffered lost of proprieties and humiliation when displaced.

In northern Syria, the Kurds defeat ISIS, retake vast territory and progress towards Manbej. West of Palmyra, ISIS has lost vast territory, as well as in the northern reef of Aleppo, losing Kuweiress airport and villages around it. In reef Homs, ISIS was pushed out of Mheen and Haw’wareen where the Syrian Redha forces were deployed to face its still present troops in al-Qaryateyn.

The definition of a state is the means of rule over a defined or “sovereign” territory. ISIS has become prisoner of its same motto “remain and expand” (Baqiya wa Tatamaddad), unable to expand in Iraq and is in continuous shrinking. ISIS is still capable of taking initiatives, occupying lands in Syria and Iraq. Nevertheless, it is vulnerable to hold on to most – not all – territories. This shows a short tactical aim to register victories here and there, portray its presence and “conquest” to supporters around the world, especially among youth who can “sing” its heroic and epic military achievement. One thing ISIS has been extremely successful is to convince its followers around the World that all what media reports about losses or “tactical withdrawal” are mere counter propaganda and false information. ISIS fan boys do believe anything defused by ISIS supporters and reject any counter argument. That is the biggest ISIS success and achievement among its own supporters.

ISIS killings and slaughtering on the social networking has its effect on media and audience in the first months or even year of the raise of ISIS. It is no longer the case today. Beheading, hanging, drowning, killing by explosives or rockets, cutting hands, throwing from elevated building are no longer widely defuse and attractive propaganda materials. Most of ISIS publications became possible to predict. ISIS is no longer winning the attraction of the media but it is still a good product to analysts happy to translate its material.

ISIS – according to private information – is facing a challenge in battlefield and struggling from new challenges. A part from a sharp decline in foreign fighters migration in Syria and Iraq, ISIS is suffering from military and medical supplies. Fighters no longer possess heavy weapons or large stock of guided missiles. Moreover, the major blow is the lack of medical team and supplies supporting fighters in the battlefield. A medium and severe injuries during clashes become fatal. ISIS members who have concluded few weeks’ first aid courses are unable to deal with non-classical human damage. A lower limb injury becomes catastrophic and fatal and is, in many cases, imputed. A lungs injury is lethal, eye damage is a permanent lost. ISIS is struggling in its hospitals to host thousands of wounded of war.

Yes, ISIS is using Weapons of Mass Destruction against itself, fighting with no specific or realistic objective. There is no long term strategic horizon to ISIS and it is clear that 2016 will be a year where ISIS will shrink in Mesopotamia and the Levant.

Well, I tuned out with this paragraph (below). What crap. Yet to proven, imo. Very much under dispute.

AND if this is the criteria for judgement then let’s line up GWBush, Cheney, Tony Blair, Johnny Howard and their gang which set this whole mess off with the destruction of Iraq — YES, destruction with ‘shock & awe and depleted uranium! — killing and displacing millions.

If there was a line for Madame Guillotine then Assad would be about 99th and way behind the Saudi criminals, the Zionist Mobs and (look in the mirror) ….

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“When the whole story began, Assad tried to deal with each individual incident, in every part of the country, trying to pacify the protesters against the background of the Arab uprisings that swept through various countries. However, Assad did not recognize that he had one big problem in the whole of the country. He used the wrong means. In my opinion, he is very lucky to still be alive and in power. And Russia is the main reason why it is still the case. Russia, together with the international community, needs to decide whether we can live on the same planet with people like Assad. Can this person take a leadership position. Whether the Syrian people have the right to vote. Just think – ten million displaced persons – it is half the population of the country. We – the international community – must give the Syrian people the opportunity to choose, we must give the refugees the opportunity to return, we must give hope of a prosperous and sustainable state.”
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It is quite clear from the beginning of the interview that the USA strategy has only one meme to hold their 100-faced ME monster together and that is “Assad must go”. We now see why the constant pushing of this theme — it is the only glue they have in a total policy mess of their own creation.

Why is this propaganda even posted here? I can literally go to a million web sites and find the same trash. This just wastes a lot of peoples time by trying to debunk the lies and manipulations and it did not take me more than a minute before I hit like 3 of them. Alternate view points should be encouraged but not when it is just lies and propaganda for manipulation.

One thing that is certain is, There are many intelligent people in the imperial domain, heck that is how they became imperial.. Not on the backs of the stupid but those willing collaborators.. This guy in particular is not against what is happening only that it is not happening like he wishes where his plans would work far better. It is like the various 3 letter acronyms, fbi, dea, cia, nsa all do the same thing.. but the ones getting the most funding wins.. Just like the terrorists in Syria which include thousands of gangs who all want to be the top dog because that is where the money is. The US does the same thing with the south American drug lords.. They smack down those who they cant control fully and let others work freely and take their cut except of course they are not allowed to have heavy weapons. because then the US would look like jobar syria..

“Kommersant” is a notorious western-funded fifth-column media outlet in Russia. So, that it published this “interview” is not surprising. What is truly surprising however is that this crap is reprinted here.

“..former UN weapons inspector Richard Lloyd and Prof. Theodore Postol of MIT [which] effectively debunked the claims of the US government (along with Human Rights Watch and a number of other organizations) that the Syrian military carried out the attack. The Lloyd/Postol report showed definitively that US intelligence and conclusions regarding the incident were grossly inaccurate. The report, entitled Possible Implications of Faulty US Technical Intelligence in the Damascus Nerve Agent Attack of August 21, 2013 (1), notes that:

The Syrian improvised chemical munitions that were used in the August 21 nerve agent attack in Damascus have a range of about 2km…[The evidence] indicates that these munitions could not possibly have been fired at East Ghouta from the ‘heart’, or from the eastern edge, of the Syrian Government-controlled area shown in the intelligence map published by the White House on August 30, 2013…The UN independent assessment of the range of the chemical munitions is in exact agreement with our finding.

In other words, Lloyd and Postol confirmed with their findings that the chemical attack of August 21, 2013, which almost led to a direct US military intervention, was carried out from area controlled by Alloush and Liwa al-Islam. This is further substantiated in Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Hersh’s infamous April 2014 exposé The Red Line and the Rat Line (2 )which noted that:

The American and British intelligence communities had been aware since the spring of 2013 that some rebel units in Syria were developing chemical weapons… Defense Intelligence Agency issued a highly classified five-page ‘talking points’ briefing…[which] drew on classified intelligence from numerous agencies: ‘Turkey and Saudi-based chemical facilitators,’ it said, ‘were attempting to obtain sarin precursors in bulk, tens of kilograms, likely for the anticipated large-scale production effort in Syria.’

This man Flynn is a classic member of the loyal opposition. The point at which he said that he did not question why his report was ignored was when it should have been clear to everyone that this man is not part of anything in the US that is going to make any difference at all . He couldn’t even state a clear criteria of what constitutes a terrorist group. Like #1 they want to exclude anyone except Muslims and #2 they want Sharia law in any state they might exist in peacefully. Basic principles that the man just might think to mention. Plus there was no analysis or criticism of Saudi Arabia. Why? These are the folks who should be intolerable to the American people. Their subjugation of women is a crime against humanity. period.

thanks Saker, well this agrees in different ways with several of the recent articles you’ve posted here.

The Ghassan Kadi article about the roots of Islamic Fundamentalism is again in here – very interesting and sanely discussed.

The major war theme of Tazhit is again here.

Did Assad really gas his own people ? I find that whole paragraph in this interview to be hard to swallow. Assad must stay, in my opinion. And besides that, I really like the guy…although I know you have said that he did torture some people – who were they anyways ? – in years gone by.

But Flynn definitely comes across as a nasty American in his discussion of Assad.

Anyway, I like the whole thing, and I agree, that the States and Russia should work together, as President Putin has said again and again. And it seems to me, that many respectable people, including Peter Lavelle, are confused about American policy. Peter seems to think its a dysfunction of the different departments of the US government. I suppose that has to do with Obama’s weaknesses…although having Donald Trump might be the opposite but the same.

By the way, for people interested, there’s a fantastic interview of American Presidential Candidate

The interview is terrible. This green Party candidate does not identify the leading terrorist forces in the world.

She calls for the USA to help forces of “democracy” in Syria, who she says “have been brutally repressed.” The Zionist controlled US, is the author (IS-verb), of the terrorist ISIS. This lady is covering for the phony American electoral circus, by attempting to be part of that circus as, albeit, a-sort of- opposition candidate.

By comparison, former Congressman Ron Paul, calls for all American troops to be brought home, without supporting the fixed phony American election.

She says, “If I am elected.” What is she smoking? She will not receive 1% of the vote. Misdirection!

She is one of them!

Happy New Year. If you are ever in my part of town, I will buy you lunch.

Thanks Peter…yeah, she didn’t mention Israel did she ? And she seems to be suddenly there, materializing out of nowhere…but she’s passionate, and I guess I’m partial to the Green Party, as Canadian Green Party MP Elizabeth May, is from my riding…

We go to these retired generals because, the rank they achieved affords a kind of credibility. But if I’m a retired general, and I decide to weigh in on an issue like Syria, I guess I’d better have my home work done so I’m at least as smart as the people listening to my interview, or reading its transcript. The interviewer didn’t call him on some obvious errors, which he would not have made if he had done the homework, such as the already debunked neo-con talking point that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people. Sheesh, once we hear that we can leave the room and go do something else because he’s lost us: He’s either out in the weeds or acting as a mouthpiece, and either way, why keep listening?

The recent article in the London Review of Books by Seymour Hersh made the following two points:

1. That the US DoD Intelligence warned Obama with a realistic assessment of the situation in Iraq and Syria.

2. And that the pentagon (at the highest level) tried to undermine the US policy to overthrow the government of Syria.

This interview by Flynn can be summarised by the following observations:

1. That the US DoD warned the US leadership honestly. Basically an ass covering position for the DoD.

2. Flynn is not fully in agreement with the Russian position, but hints at possibility to negotiate with the Russians at the highest level.

3. Flynn’s answers hint at a degree of face saving on behalf of the Obama administration.

4. All in all a realist, non-ideological point of view.

This, coupled with the observation that not only Flynn helped Hersh with his article, but he also allowed interview with RT, and now actually in Russia for this interview hoping audience with Putin himself suggests the following two possibilities:

1. Obama has tasked Flynn (and others in DoD) to take lead and shape the thus far divided US policy against the war mongers in the CIA, State Department, and The Congress.

2. Or, the DoD is operating under its own initiative against the Obama administration. Gently allowing Obama a face saving negotiable way out of the corner it has painted itself in.

In either case, it is obvious to all that Obama administration is not in full control of the situation at hand. A scary consideration when you think about what is at stake!

I stopped reading the article when the topic of Iran supporting Hezbollah was raised by the retired general. Like terrorism is not a US funded ploy to rule and overthrow governments of other countries so that resources can be controlled by the AZ empire. To that end, Hezbollah are fighting in Syria because Iran and Lebanon are next on the AZ empire’s hit list. The only way the US sponsored terrorists can be defeated is to have a unified approach.

Not many of these interviewees give any logical or sincere opinion about foreign affairs. The Deep State would eliminate them immediately if they dare try to offer any dissenting views.

I can go further and say that I did not read most of the article – just passed a quick eye on it. I wonder why it has been published here… Certainly, the comments are very helpful if anybody – who is not very certain of what to think about it – wants to understand what it means.

This reminds me of Smedley Darlington Butler’s 1935 book entitled “War Is a Racket” — i.e. “… where he described and criticized the workings of the United States in its foreign actions and wars, such as those he was a part of, including the American corporations and other imperialist motivations behind them” (Wikipedia).

Re: “But a decision must also be made on the Assad regime. Assad used chemical weapons against his own people, he violated international and moral law; he must be brought before an international tribunal. That is what I would recommend in this situation. We cannot consider such a person as a national leader.”

As usual, the Americans feel it is their God-given right to stick their noses into everyone’s business. Why? Because they are the “exceptional” people. They have the right to police and order the world and plunder everyone’s resources and establish their military bases on anyone’s soil. Flynn is the classic Anglo hypocrite: the real reasons for interest in Syria are essentially two: oil and Israel. Take out oil and take out Israel and Syria would be without interest to the US. Flynn keeps insisting on the Anglo-Zionist insistence that “Assad must go,” which is their sneaky way of inserting the wedge that will divide and conquer Syria for them. It must be steadfastly opposed and exposed for what it is.

” The Three Pillars of Middle East Policy”

“Uncritical support, protection and subsidy of Israel, including providing aid/defense money to buy Jordanian and Egyptian cooperation in the Israeli suppression of Palestinians.
Manipulating oil flows and rigging prices, by [a] protecting Saudi Arabia (and the Persian Gulf Arab states) in return for Saudi adjustments (up and down) of oil production to assure a high and stable world oil prices, and by [b] limiting oil exports from–and/or preventing sales of oil drilling/producing/refining/pipeline equipment to–countries that don’t cooperate in US control policies, most notably Iraq and post-Shah Iran. (Note: the failure of the U.S. occupation of Iraq has destroyed our 20 years of successful restriction of Iraqi oil exports and, even worse for U.S. control of oil prices, resulted in leasing of huge Iraqi oil reserves to Russia, China and others.)
Recycling of petrodollars via weapons sales to oil-exporting countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, etc. (i.e. countries that cooperate in assuring high world oil prices) and via petrodollar flow to U.S. banking/investment houses and into U.S. Treasury paper”
[http://chuckspinney.blogspot.mx/p/three-pillars-of-middle-east-policy.html]

In short, the Syrians, and the Russians who have been invited by them, should tell NATO to go to hell unless they are willing to seriously cooperate in annihilating ISIS and supporting the Syrian army and its coalition and quit bombarding the opponents of ISIS; and that they should keep out of Syrian political decisions. They should also sew up the border with Turkey asap, and also start annihilating ISIS in Iraq, with the help of the legitimate Kurds (without the criminal family running NW Iraq). They should also concentrate on weakening Erdogan’s expansionary ambitions generally. Finally, they should do their utmost to get the NATO puppet states–Germany above all–to understand that both the EU-IMF and NATO are cancers–no good future with either of them.

Flynn, typically, thinks that the root problem is economic. The Americans see everything in terms of material realities. Certainly, one can’t ignore economic realities, but human beings are not cattle. Flynn would not admit that the root of Iraq’s current problems is the American destruction of the country, as in Libya! Not to mention the fact that these groups have been financed and armed by the West. In other words, this mealy-mouthed Anglo will not call a spade a spade: that his country is essentially a rogue criminal state.

It also goes without saying that the Saudis have had a particularly nefarious role to play as the Arab wing of the Anglo-Zionist warmongering conspiracies. The Saudis have used their fortune to poison the Muslim soul. Their rule should be dissolved at all costs. Staunch economic and moral support should be given to intelligent orthodox Islamic opposition of the fundamentalist (Kharijite) perversion of the religion, above all to their efforts at educating the youth as a counter to Wahhibi madrasas–in this, one can agree with Flynn.

Not unimportant: ISIS has said: “God has told us not to fight Israel.” Is that clear enough for everyone?

“Perfidious Albion” can never be trusted, nor can its Washington cousin, nor the Israelis and the Zionist neocons. This should be almost axiomatic. Their history is one of murderous treachery and broken promises.

You start off with the premise that the USG is the world’s greatest – and most dangerous – Proven terrorist organisation. See the Iraqi invasion based on proven lies, and you can extrapolate backwards to 911, and prior to that the letter PNAC sent to clinton about having SH removed, which, of course required a ‘Pearl Harbor’ type event – 911.
You then have to look at what this USG (with its NATO arm – North American Terrorist Organisation) terrorist organisation’s strategy is – for the REST of THIS century – and you can find that in PNAC and the original wolfowitz doctrine, bearing in mind the control of the neocons, which involves Israel.
This includes keeping Russia – and China etc – contained and blocked, as defined by the American Empire. Paul Craig Roberts writes about this too, in an article late last month. I’m glad he’s caught up! :)
everything else falls into place if you know the above relevant facts.

That was the first and only article I just could not finish from here. was that a fox reprint?
I wont even bother taking it apart, it seems he has his chemical weppons mixed up. All the bull talking points why Assad must go. Forward this to CNN.

I got as far as the point where this pindo war criminal said Assad used CW and stopped reading. Now I know whenever somebody attempts to pass this Flynn off as “one of the sensible good guys” in the regime, they were either suckered, or are trying to sucker others with soft propaganda. So in that respect, it’s useful to have this exposing interview here in order so people can see what ziofascist/fascist team player Flynn really is.

The intelligence world is a labyrinth of truths, half-truths, lies, etc. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. The neocon types are not completely in charge yet or they would have started WW III by now. The crazy train still has some brake pad left.

Well, I have not even read the interview yet, but, this morning, I could see the picture of this bird on my cell phone and I have to say that, from the outset, his smile and his eyes I do not like at all.
Looks more false than a Judas!

Oh wait! Two years as head of US military intelligence and, suddenly, withdraws in full working age to run ……to befriend V.V. Putin?
For the time, he has already achieved come to the RT Anniversary Party and sitting next to Comrade President of the Russian Federation…..

Does not smell counterintelligence or something is burning in the kitchen? Give me a break!

If I were Comrade V.V.Putin, I would bring that abandoned piolet from the loft in case the guy with toothpaste advertising smile is about to come to dinner…..

Yeah, sure, but it is worth having the piolet at hand, or whatever, if the guy’s coming to dinner … a?

It´s sure that he has one…..

I’m not sure I agree that all these brasses have to be completely ‘on our side’ to be a help in this problem of nuclear war.

Wel, I am totally sure that we do not need them to be “on our side”, neither completely nor partially, what is needed is that they do not have opportunities to be so close to Mr. Putin and that the supposedly “resistance to the Empire” do not dedicate to fight or controvert each other in the smallest detail or to make the dirty job of whom we supposedly are fighting.

elsi- agree with you-he got “his”- mission- in RT. I am sure Mr. Putin keep more than close surveillance on him( keep yours enemies closer to yourself than friends)…elsi about this piolet … traitor Trotskij was not lucky…

Nice try, Michael Flynn, but you are peddling disinformation disguised as dissent.

Flynn obscures the reality that America has been backing and supporting the “terrorists” in Syria–not to mention Libya–that it claims to be fighting. Hell, the USA has been arming and backing these Islamicist jihadists with Usama Bin Laden in Afghanistan during the Cold War.

Also, note how Flynn repeats the lie that “Assad used chemical weapons on his own people” in Ghouta, Syria, even though this event is increasingly being revealed as a false flag terror attack staged by American-backed “rebels” in Syria. This false allegation is merely part of Flynn’s “Assad Must Go” agenda–as if the United States has any right to decide who should be the leader of Syria.

Flynn is an American trojan horse who postures as a (limited) critic of American foreign policy in order to sucker the Russians into supporting America’s machinations in the Middle East.

No one falls for it anymore. Flynn is not your friend. He is a paid proffessional liar.

Here at Saker, we’ve developed immunity to most bogus p.r. strategems. By and large we’ve become antibodies to fascism. The code of the disease is broken but now we must spread the knowledge.

As another commenter said, always speak loudly. Let everyone know you are dissatisfied and tell them why. I am always surprised by how GRATEFUL people are when they hear a truthful assessment of our reality.

May 2016 be the year when consciouness comes back from the dead. I see many positive signs, especially amongst the exceptional folks who come here.

Another way to look at this is that Russia is fully exploiting what it gained from information from its hacks against the US. In this case it is probably using info from the Snowden files: the ultimate family jewels of secrets.

Russia will continue to “pursuade” American officials who don’t want their dark secrets revealed, but will do so in a way to not put their careers and pensions at risk. Therefore there are guys like this spouting party rhetoric but are owned by Russia. This will make “partial” defections a more popular method for possible defectors within the American government, since their is a low probability of harsh punishments. And defection is becoming increasingly popular.

Slowly but surely Russia and China will socially and politically commandeer the American military for its own purposes. To what end remains to be seen. Until then, expect to see more American officials start to unexpectedly side with Russia, first spouting partial rhetoric, and then having a more complete turn towards Russia.

Ed Snowden is a snow job. His so-called secrets conspicuously cover up the mother of all American crimes: the US Reichstag Fire better known as Sept. 11th. Much of the supposed secrets that Snowden “exposed” were already known to intelligence agencies worth a lick. It was only the brainwashed American masses or other drones, who cling to their delusions that the United States is a “force for good,” that were were shocked to find out that America engages in police state surveillance and cyber terrorism.Your so-called crown jewels are made of paste and cheap glass.

Snowden postures as a “defector” in the same way that Michael Flynn masquerades as a voice of political dissent–yet in both cases they promote American propaganda and denials about fundamental issues like the USA’s self-inflicted terror attack of 9-11; American state sponsorship of Islamicist terrorism; and US false flag terror attacks in Syria and beyond.

To insist that Flynn or other US spooks/military regime officials are “defectors” critical of American foreign policy is laughable–and more likely, simply an obvious psyops to give these frauds some legitmacy as US critics that Russia should trust.

As for Russia/China “commandeering the American military,” if only this were true. The American Threat would have been neutralized post-haste. Instead, what you actually see is America’s military encirclement, provocations, and threats against both nations ratcheting up in aggressiveness from the Middle East (US-backed Turkey shootdown) to the Caucauses to Ukraine to the South China Sea.

Simply put, Americans are extremely devious. They have raised deception to a way of life. They are a nation of con-men and shyster lawyers. As such, they simply cannot be trusted. This includes many supposed American dissidents, defectors–or even American “alternative media”–who are nothing more than American Agents of Influence in drag. They will throw out a few limited hangouts or partial criticisms of the USA in order to more effectively insinuate themselves into the trust of a targetted nation like Russia.

You Truthers are all alike. Even worse than “The Most Important Thing In The Universe” (TMITITU). The Jews just get upset if you say something about Jews. Truthers look for crimes of omission. You think 911 is The Only Thing In The Universe (TOTITU).

1. Except, unlike you, he had proof and has caused billions of dollars in damage to the US IT industry and helped demolish American deterrence. All you did was repeat snobbish drivel from the conspiracy industry, and play make believe that you know something that Russia/Chinese Intelligence doesn’t know. But I’m sure you’ve read an interesting book here or there.

2. Again no proof of false flag terror. A false flag attack that drags the self-styled most powerful military ever into two lost wars, only to have its remnants raping each other, committing suicide, and rotting in the streets homeless? Even the conspiracy industry has moved passed this one. You might want to try and keep up.

3. Subversion of foreigners is a process. Flynn, like all American political careerists, wants to keep his job and pension, and will only say so much. American official defectors have been increasing, particularly with the NSA and several other agencies. Now it is going to the military. Before the 2003 Iraq invasion, there were barely any defectors. The contrast between now and then is quite obvious.

4. “Show of force” patrols are not threatening. Especially compared to what the US could be doing had it not been defeated. The American political military careerists are just trying to appear relevant when any casual observer can see an impotent and defeated military. If they were as powerful as you think, Russia would have been crushed long ago.

5. Agree that Americans are devious. Unfortunately for them they are not very good at it. No one believes them anymore and no one likes them either. A big part of being devious is not to appear as such. They are guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of the world. Their deviousness is more like grade school rumor mongering.

There is an industry that tries to make the American state look omnipotent and skilled. The interesting part about it is that its subscribers are mostly anti American in some way, yet they make the Americans seem more powerful and creative than they really are. In the “paranoid delusion” department of this industry, there is non stop mention of the word “false flag.” Of course, there is never any proof, but apparently the industry doesn’t need any. Occasionally it is manufactured.

I am very much suprised that uptill now this ex general does not know the truth about who used the chemical weapons in Syria or is he also one of the daaaaam lairs who think they can repeat their lies till it becomes true.Does he know that the very people they trained,armed and support are responsible for that ?

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