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Sat, 07 Mar 2015 01:46:55 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1By: Tomhttp://www.nine-moons.com/?p=474&cpage=1#comment-9057
TomMon, 19 Mar 2007 15:00:26 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/03/16/the-evangelical-deflector-shield/#comment-9057Oh, and I just noticed that <em>Slate</em> published an informative, yet respectful, article on Mormon athletes and temple garments. <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2161933?nav=tap3" rel="nofollow">Here.</a> It's probably a little too informative for our tastes, but it's respectful.Oh, and I just noticed that Slate published an informative, yet respectful, article on Mormon athletes and temple garments. Here. It’s probably a little too informative for our tastes, but it’s respectful.
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TomMon, 19 Mar 2007 14:57:12 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/03/16/the-evangelical-deflector-shield/#comment-9056Ronan reminded me that I noticed the "Oral" thing last year around tournament time and I even thought that the coeds must have a certain reputation, whether deserved or not, based on the name of the university. Nevertheless I will say to Ronan: "Get your mind out of the gutter, dude."
CJ,
The unfortunate thing about Mitt cozying up to the Religious Right is that, depending on how nationally prominent he becomes, he could single-handedly create a strong association in the public imagination between Mormons and the Religious Right, despite the fact that neither he nor the rest of the Mormons in Washington are that extreme.
Bret,
I think we could be peculiar, and be noticed as such, by believing fervently yet still being tolerant and reasonable. Fervent belief has gotten a very bad rap because it has become associated very much with hatred and extremism. Some people think they are inextricably linked. We can show that they're not.Ronan reminded me that I noticed the “Oral” thing last year around tournament time and I even thought that the coeds must have a certain reputation, whether deserved or not, based on the name of the university. Nevertheless I will say to Ronan: “Get your mind out of the gutter, dude.”

CJ,
The unfortunate thing about Mitt cozying up to the Religious Right is that, depending on how nationally prominent he becomes, he could single-handedly create a strong association in the public imagination between Mormons and the Religious Right, despite the fact that neither he nor the rest of the Mormons in Washington are that extreme.

Bret,
I think we could be peculiar, and be noticed as such, by believing fervently yet still being tolerant and reasonable. Fervent belief has gotten a very bad rap because it has become associated very much with hatred and extremism. Some people think they are inextricably linked. We can show that they’re not.

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lamonteSat, 17 Mar 2007 14:19:30 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/03/16/the-evangelical-deflector-shield/#comment-8953Don - As a recently converted Notre Dame fan (my son did his graduate studies there) I wish people would stop seeing them as an enemy to God (well, at least to BYU). But now that yesterday's games are over it looks like you got your wish. ;-)
Tom - Let me also add an "AMEN" to your final comments. For a minute there I thought you were following a pattern that I see sometimes from church members "Let's hope we're getting persecuted in the media, especially the left media." Despite my self proclaimed "left" status I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what Slate Magazine has to say about the subject. I think any publication, left or right, that titles an article with the premise of 'hate' should be considered questionable. The thing I find interesting about our church is that the social left finds many objectionable things about our 'conservative' life style while the religious right objects vociferously to our 'liberal' interpretation of the scriptures.Don – As a recently converted Notre Dame fan (my son did his graduate studies there) I wish people would stop seeing them as an enemy to God (well, at least to BYU). But now that yesterday’s games are over it looks like you got your wish. ;-)

Tom – Let me also add an “AMEN” to your final comments. For a minute there I thought you were following a pattern that I see sometimes from church members “Let’s hope we’re getting persecuted in the media, especially the left media.” Despite my self proclaimed “left” status I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in what Slate Magazine has to say about the subject. I think any publication, left or right, that titles an article with the premise of ‘hate’ should be considered questionable. The thing I find interesting about our church is that the social left finds many objectionable things about our ‘conservative’ life style while the religious right objects vociferously to our ‘liberal’ interpretation of the scriptures.

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BretSat, 17 Mar 2007 07:59:24 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/03/16/the-evangelical-deflector-shield/#comment-8911I very much agree, Tom, but I also am kinda sad things have worked out the way they have. With the opposition being not so strong, it (in a way) makes it harder to be a good member of the church. It's harder to wear our religion on our sleeve and be a peculiar people.I very much agree, Tom, but I also am kinda sad things have worked out the way they have. With the opposition being not so strong, it (in a way) makes it harder to be a good member of the church. It’s harder to wear our religion on our sleeve and be a peculiar people.
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cj douglassSat, 17 Mar 2007 00:25:17 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/03/16/the-evangelical-deflector-shield/#comment-8754The problem we're running into now is that Mitt is trying to look more and more appealing to the christian right. As well, the little time I spent in Utah taught me that many of the Republicans there have no idea that the same christians they are aligning with are the same christians who say we are going to hell(like I wrote earlier in the week). Your observation still rings true(especially in a blue state) but its lost on the mormon republicans I have met.The problem we’re running into now is that Mitt is trying to look more and more appealing to the christian right. As well, the little time I spent in Utah taught me that many of the Republicans there have no idea that the same christians they are aligning with are the same christians who say we are going to hell(like I wrote earlier in the week). Your observation still rings true(especially in a blue state) but its lost on the mormon republicans I have met.
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Susan MFri, 16 Mar 2007 22:18:15 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/03/16/the-evangelical-deflector-shield/#comment-8732I don't know if someone named Ronan should be poking fun of anyone's name.
I love that you were already composing a rebuttal in your imagination before even reading the article, Tom.
When I was a kid my parents decided to remove us from an open-concept, liberal arts elementary school we loved and put us in a private Christian school that I always imagined to be a religious right institution, whether or not it actually was. We were told students had to work on their own in cubicles while listening to instruction on headphones. Like a nightmare, coming from a school where I could go anywhere in the entire building with no supervision for my Language Arts class and work on my own.
We never did make it into the private school, though, because my mom finally balked at it when the uniform she made me didn't quite meet their standards and weren't allowed. The standard was only red, white and blue could be worn. She'd gotten me some red shirts with little yellow flowers on them.I don’t know if someone named Ronan should be poking fun of anyone’s name.

I love that you were already composing a rebuttal in your imagination before even reading the article, Tom.

When I was a kid my parents decided to remove us from an open-concept, liberal arts elementary school we loved and put us in a private Christian school that I always imagined to be a religious right institution, whether or not it actually was. We were told students had to work on their own in cubicles while listening to instruction on headphones. Like a nightmare, coming from a school where I could go anywhere in the entire building with no supervision for my Language Arts class and work on my own.

We never did make it into the private school, though, because my mom finally balked at it when the uniform she made me didn’t quite meet their standards and weren’t allowed. The standard was only red, white and blue could be worn. She’d gotten me some red shirts with little yellow flowers on them.

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Don CliftonFri, 16 Mar 2007 22:12:41 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/03/16/the-evangelical-deflector-shield/#comment-8731Good points Tom, but obviously it doesn't matter how close your school is to God, it doesn't help in the tourney - both got beat - let's hope the same thing happens to Notre Dame!!!Good points Tom, but obviously it doesn’t matter how close your school is to God, it doesn’t help in the tourney – both got beat – let’s hope the same thing happens to Notre Dame!!!
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RonanFri, 16 Mar 2007 21:45:43 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/03/16/the-evangelical-deflector-shield/#comment-8728Oh yes, and Tom, amen.Oh yes, and Tom, amen.
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RonanFri, 16 Mar 2007 21:45:22 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/03/16/the-evangelical-deflector-shield/#comment-8727"Oral" Roberts University? You can't make this stuff up!“Oral” Roberts University? You can’t make this stuff up!
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Jon in AustinFri, 16 Mar 2007 21:07:16 +0000http://www.nine-moons.com/2007/03/16/the-evangelical-deflector-shield/#comment-8726Amen.Amen.
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