Going with the whole 'when in Rome' thing, I had dog in Korea, and it tasted like beef roast. Very tender. I love dogs, grew up around plenty of them, and will never eat it again, but it was tasty. Flame me if you'd like, but just because dogs are pets here doesn't mean they are considered as such elsewhere.

No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.

gshepnyc:No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.

gshepnyc:No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.

What an overstatement, and not remotely true.

If anything, the most valuable animal to humanity is cattle. While dogs were sniffing each other's butts in the jungle, humans had domesticated cattle and were using them to plow farms, using them for milk and sustenance, eating them when they grew old, and using their skins for clothing. Entire nations have been fed on cattle meat while dogs sat around doing not much of anything.

Other animals such as horses have been just as important, if not much more important, as travel and war companions. When was the last time you heard about a famed dog cavalry breaking the lines of an enemy army? Yeah, you didn't, because it was horses that threw themselves onto pikes because of the relations that they formed with their human masters.

Cats have been just as important. Who have people turned to consistently for pest control, to kill rats on farms? That's right, cats, because dogs are too dumb to catch mice.

You can like dogs all you want, but claiming they've helped humanity evolve is patently ridiculous.

natmar_76:gshepnyc: No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.

What an overstatement, and not remotely true.

If anything, the most valuable animal to humanity is cattle. While dogs were sniffing each other's butts in the jungle, humans had domesticated cattle and were using them to plow farms, using them for milk and sustenance, eating them when they grew old, and using their skins for clothing. Entire nations have been fed on cattle meat while dogs sat around doing not much of anything.

Other animals such as horses have been just as important, if not much more important, as travel and war companions. When was the last time you heard about a famed dog cavalry breaking the lines of an enemy army? Yeah, you didn't, because it was horses that threw themselves onto pikes because of the relations that they formed with their human masters.

Cats have been just as important. Who have people turned to consistently for pest control, to kill rats on farms? That's right, cats, because dogs are too dumb to catch mice.

You can like dogs all you want, but claiming they've helped humanity evolve is patently ridiculous.

Guess how I know you don't know what you are talking about? All the animals you mention have amazing relationships with human beings but none of them do the many distinct things that dogs have done with and for us.

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actually, i kind of prefer it that way. i would most prefer to be perceived genderless, but i'll take male over the usual nonsense chicks who aren't here to announce how big their boob sizes are in comparison with a celebrity and otherwise fishing for compliments and e-cock have to put up with. which is why tfd bores me to no end.

/except the jorie threads. that's worth the $5 for the wtflolbbq factor.

Also, before someone brings up the stupid Roman dog corps, that was a tiny portion of one army. It's nowhere near the prevalence of war horses in world history. A pack of dog handlers might have helped win one or two fights, but Mongolian cavalry broke the backs of both Europe and Asia.

Then there's travel. Did people ride on dogs backs to migrate across America? No, they used horses. Did the puppy express deliver mail across the nation? No, it was horses.

Horses are even more intelligent than dogs, yet people eat horses. Cows are more intelligent and social than dogs, yet we eat cows. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs, yet we eat pigs.

It's not a matter of dogs being less tasty. It's not a matter of dogs being more intelligent. It's simply a cultural norm.

Like dogs all you want, but they are animals and if you condone eating beef or chicken, or even fish, there is nothing wrong with eating dog.

natmar_76:gshepnyc: No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.

What an overstatement, and not remotely true.

If anything, the most valuable animal to humanity is cattle. While dogs were sniffing each other's butts in the jungle, humans had domesticated cattle and were using them to plow farms, using them for milk and sustenance, eating them when they grew old, and using their skins for clothing. Entire nations have been fed on cattle meat while dogs sat around doing not much of anything.

Other animals such as horses have been just as important, if not much more important, as travel and war companions. When was the last time you heard about a famed dog cavalry breaking the lines of an enemy army? Yeah, you didn't, because it was horses that threw themselves onto pikes because of the relations that they formed with their human masters.

Cats have been just as important. Who have people turned to consistently for pest control, to kill rats on farms? That's right, cats, because dogs are too dumb to catch mice.

You can like dogs all you want, but claiming they've helped humanity evolve is patently ridiculous.

And speaking of "not remotely true" you are factually incorrect to state that humans domesticated cattle before dogs. Dogs and then sheep were first. Cattle were down the line later.

5000 years difference is meaningless in the overall point of argument: eating dogs is not wrong, just as eating cows is not, unless you maintain that eating any animal is wrong.

Do you think some weird magic happened within a few thousand years of difference between cattle and dog domestication? Do you think that someone domesticating a dog on the other side of the world magically changed genetics in humans on the other side?

Humans domesticate animals because we can, not because there's some kind of dog magic that invades our bodies like a symbiote and makes us into new humans.

Sarcastica75:Zmog: The Internet, where everyone is presumed male until proven otherwise.

actually, i kind of prefer it that way. i would most prefer to be perceived genderless, but i'll take male over the usual nonsense chicks who aren't here to announce how big their boob sizes are in comparison with a celebrity and otherwise fishing for compliments and e-cock have to put up with. which is why tfd bores me to no end.

/except the jorie threads. that's worth the $5 for the wtflolbbq factor.

gshepnyc:And speaking of "not remotely true" you are factually incorrect to state that humans domesticated cattle before dogs. Dogs and then sheep were first. Cattle were down the line later.

Still meaningless to the greater point of contention, unless your argument is that there is some kind of magic bond between humans and dogs which is not shared between humans and sheep, or humans and cattle, or humans and horses, or humans and cats, simply due to a few thousand years of difference in domestication.

natmar_76:gshepnyc: No other two species on the planet have the relationship - including shared history and interdependence - that humans and dogs have. We relied on one another to get to the stage we find ourselves in today. That is more than enough reason not to eat a dog.

What an overstatement, and not remotely true.

If anything, the most valuable animal to humanity is cattle. While dogs were sniffing each other's butts in the jungle, humans had domesticated cattle and were using them to plow farms, using them for milk and sustenance, eating them when they grew old, and using their skins for clothing. Entire nations have been fed on cattle meat while dogs sat around doing not much of anything.

Other animals such as horses have been just as important, if not much more important, as travel and war companions. When was the last time you heard about a famed dog cavalry breaking the lines of an enemy army? Yeah, you didn't, because it was horses that threw themselves onto pikes because of the relations that they formed with their human masters.

Cats have been just as important. Who have people turned to consistently for pest control, to kill rats on farms? That's right, cats, because dogs are too dumb to catch mice.

You can like dogs all you want, but claiming they've helped humanity evolve is patently ridiculous.

I don't have time on my lunch break to explain in detail just how wrong you are point by point. Just suffice it for now to say, go look up when dogs were domesticated vs. when cows were domesticated.

Zmog:Sarcastica75: Zmog: The Internet, where everyone is presumed male until proven otherwise.

actually, i kind of prefer it that way. i would most prefer to be perceived genderless, but i'll take male over the usual nonsense chicks who aren't here to announce how big their boob sizes are in comparison with a celebrity and otherwise fishing for compliments and e-cock have to put up with. which is why tfd bores me to no end.

/except the jorie threads. that's worth the $5 for the wtflolbbq factor.

5000 years difference is meaningless in the overall point of argument: eating dogs is not wrong, just as eating cows is not, unless you maintain that eating any animal is wrong.

Do you think some weird magic happened within a few thousand years of difference between cattle and dog domestication? Do you think that someone domesticating a dog on the other side of the world magically changed genetics in humans on the other side?

Humans domesticate animals because we can, not because there's some kind of dog magic that invades our bodies like a symbiote and makes us into new humans.

Use some logic.

5,000 years is meaningless given 10,000-25,000 year window? Really?

And calling what amounts to a mutual domestication between humans and dogs "magic" or not logical just because you have strong opinions but no education on the subject doesn't make your statement any stronger.

Listen, shake your tiny fists and get yourself all worked up if you like, but I sent you a little bit to get started on as far as actually learning what the current ideas are on this subject and that's all I can do for you.