I wouldnt of minded seeing her in one of the films, probably would of worked best in the 2007 one.

Panda_Kahn_fan

06-28-2017, 11:17 AM

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really? Just... really? why? She can be revamped, new origin, etc...

GoldMutant

06-28-2017, 11:21 AM

The thread has been done before, but I still maintain Venus can be fine. Really depends on your story execution, though I'd rather her be a one-off character.

If written decently, maybe another appearance depending on the story told itself.

plastroncafe

06-28-2017, 11:24 AM

Unless she's brought back with the exact same build as the other turtles, I'm just not the slightest bit interested.

ninja-zero

06-28-2017, 11:27 AM

What's wrong with giving her a K-Pop vibe?

IndigoErth

06-28-2017, 11:31 AM

Can any of us? Sure, it's a free world.

Wish I could find an old post I made quite a while ago detailing a re-imagining of her I had at the time. The basic gist of it I think was/is that she is an unrelated Turtle, possibly different species of origin, that was intentionally mutated by enemies to combat the TMNT, but was too smart and good and knew she was with bad guys and escaped. Moved away from the area, but has allied herself with the guys and will occasionally come team up and assist them. (And no magic powers... actual weapons use. Also no turtle boobs.)

edit: I could definitely see enemies deciding to try to mutate an older female turtle in hopes of gaining an advantage on size and body mass. (And even more-so another species.) Putting her into a vague older sister-like position could be cute. And sometime to bug the guys with if they're not too keen on it... lol

Panda_Kahn_fan

06-28-2017, 11:34 AM

Can any of us? Sure, it's a free world.

Wish I could find an old post I made quite a while ago detailing a re-imagining of her I had at the time. The basic gist of it I think was/is that she is an unrelated Turtle, possibly different species of origin, that was mutated by enemies to combat the TMNT, but was too smart and good and knew she was with bad guys and escaped. Moved away from the area, but has allied herself with the guys and will occasionally come team up and assist them. (And no magic powers... actual weapons use.)

This is an excellent idea! I had one with her actually being a renegade member the rank, but taking the form of a turtle to seek their aid in fighting the other dragons.

myconius

06-28-2017, 11:35 AM

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IndigoErth

06-28-2017, 11:50 AM

Missing the opportunity here for one of 2003 Leo's dramatically shouted "Nooooo!"s. :tlol:

Panda_Kahn_fan

06-28-2017, 11:53 AM

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When it comes to long lost sister, washed down the drain, reunited with her not really brothers, who she can outfight and defeat all four turtles Venus, I agree.

But when it comes to a newly re-imagined, totally different Venus with a different origin, totally disagree.

Just a crazy fan-girl in a filthy tattered Turtle costume, armed with decomposing squirrel carcasses.

Of course, I wouldn't mind a (much improved) version of Venus as an occasional guest character. But, as a regular member of the group (particularly if she was still the same as on NM), then Nooo, please nooo!

Although, I'm fine if they never bring her back too.

IndigoErth

06-28-2017, 01:40 PM

Yeah, as mentioned, I'd likewise prefer only occasional visits/team ups, but nothing that's permanent. A good contact for the guys when they need an extra hand. Otherwise, she's typically living outside of NYC somewhere, maybe even further away, just trying to quietly exist. That way she can be around, but not annoyingly so.

And, please, no need for her to have to be someone's love interest/girlfriend... No harm in one or more of the guys having a little short term interest, or in one of them vaguely tweaking her interest a little on occasion but not necessarily enough.

It would be refreshing to skip the old need to pair a character like her up and instead give her a viewpoint that runs more along the lines of, "We're mutants, possibly hybrids, and the only ones of our kind so there isn't much point... plus, no offense, I love you guys, but you all kind of annoy me in your own ways." :trazz: Being fellow mutant Turtles doesn't inevitably mean any of them will managed to be the guy for her.

If the guys at times can find an interspecies love interests they're happy being with, then so can she if she so chooses.

ninja-zero

06-28-2017, 01:54 PM

Sheesh! What a bunch of low-downs.

Venus deserves a return into something better than how she was.

Being naive and raised in Chinatown?

This needs to change. How about Koreatown? Without the culturally naive persona.

Just a crazy fan-girl in a filthy tattered Turtle costume, armed with decomposing squirrel carcasses.

Of course, I wouldn't mind a (much improved) version of Venus as an occasional guest character. But, as a regular member of the group (particularly if she was still the same as on NM), then Nooo, please nooo!

Although, I'm fine if they never bring her back too.

The fangirl thing and the art comes across as a bit... disgusting. Ugh, no :ohwell:

If we can have Slash, Kerma, the turtleoids, the planet of the turtles and their magic gold-making machine, Tokka, and the terrorpin, we can have Venus.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

06-28-2017, 02:18 PM

The fangirl thing and the art comes across as a bit mean-spirited, spiteful, and... disgusting. Ugh, no :ohwell:

If we can have Slash, Kerma, the turtleoids, the planet of the turtles and their magic gold-making machine, Tokka, and the terrorpin, we can have Venus.

But we can't have it all in the same series. Waaaaaaaaaaay too many turtles.

But I would love to see Venus de Milo brought into a one-off IDW story, JUST for the sole purpose of proving my point. IDW has redeemed far worse characters, in my opinion.

Panda_Kahn_fan

06-28-2017, 02:23 PM

But we can't have it all in the same series. Waaaaaaaaaaay too many turtles.

But I would love to see Venus de Milo brought into a one-off IDW story, JUST for the sole purpose of proving my point. IDW has redeemed far worse characters, in my opinion.

I agree with yo on that, but i will point out one continuity DID have all the characters I mentioned, except for terrorpin.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

06-28-2017, 02:39 PM

I agree with yo on that, but i will point out one continuity DID have all the characters I mentioned, except for terrorpin.

Fred Wolf doesn't count. They were two seasons' worth of stories and ninety seasons' worth of "I wish I had a time machine so I could go back to the late 80's and buy stock in Playmates."

FredWolfLeonardo

06-28-2017, 02:44 PM

I'm not a fan of Venus, you could say she was a second chance in herself since she borrows alot from other ideas in the tmnt lore such as having Mondo Gecko's backstory and the idea of Kirby from the scrapped 4th movie, the former I prefer leagues over Venus when compared. But still, I wouldn't mind her being done again, as long as she's done right.

In the season 2 of the Nick show, when Karai was getting mutated, I was freaking out because I thought she was going to turn into Venus since she last touched Leonardo :lol:

Panda_Kahn_fan

06-28-2017, 02:50 PM

Fred Wolf doesn't count. They were two seasons' worth of stories and ninety seasons' worth of "I wish I had a time machine so I could go back to the late 80's and buy stock in Playmates."

I won't argue that. :lol:

CyberCubed

06-28-2017, 03:24 PM

Most of the episodes in the original cartoon were parodies/remakes/homages to 50-80's sci-fi movies or gangster flicks.

In fact characters from the Playmates toyline barely ever showed up.

Cryomancer

06-28-2017, 03:30 PM

Use 100% the exact same Venus but she goes into the battle nexus and realizes she is the only one of herself in the multiverse and is from like the least important branch of it. Could make for some existential ****.

Chris

06-28-2017, 05:22 PM

I'd be open to it as long as it was done well. I think IDW could gone up with a great take if they wanted to go down that road.

Ulisa

06-28-2017, 05:37 PM

Venus could make for an interesting occasional ally. I actually like to think of a version of Venus that is a fighter from Usagi's world, the Kame clan. No relation to the turtles but will help out occasionally if it mutually serves her clan. I rather like the idea of the others being attracted to her physically but having nothing in common, or at least not enough to make a relationship outside of fighting allies work.

LeotheLateBloomer

06-28-2017, 05:54 PM

I'd rather they create a new character as opposed to bringing her back.

IndigoErth

06-28-2017, 06:03 PM

Interesting idea having her come from Usagi's world.

I'm surprised past crossovers didn't include other turtle people, even just in passing. Hadn't crossed my mind until now. (Though those in Usagi's world might understandably look a bit more turtle-ish than the mutant, and sometimes somewhat human-hybrid, TMNT.)

sdp

06-28-2017, 10:03 PM

Shell boobs or bail, she's a mutated flippin' turtle for godsake, I never understood the irrationality against anthropomorphic animals, they're meant to look human.

MikeandRaph87

06-28-2017, 10:11 PM

But we can't have it all in the same series. Waaaaaaaaaaay too many turtles.

But I would love to see Venus de Milo brought into a one-off IDW story, JUST for the sole purpose of proving my point. IDW has redeemed far worse characters, in my opinion.

Do I detect a red shirt? If so it has my approval.:evilgrin:

Panda_Kahn_fan

06-28-2017, 11:18 PM

Do I detect a red shirt? If so it has my approval.:evilgrin:

...Really? :ohwell: I guess even the concept of Venus annoys some people.

Shiro Kame

06-28-2017, 11:40 PM

Practically all the new characters in The Next Mutation had potential, but due to bad writing and head-bashing humor, they're either hated or obscure. Such include besides Venus, Simon Bonesteel, Vam Mi, Dragon Lord, and others.

IndigoErth

06-28-2017, 11:49 PM

Shell boobs or bail, she's a mutated flippin' turtle for godsake, I never understood the irrationality against anthropomorphic animals, they're meant to look human.
Then people whine about PD Turtles wearing... omg... PANTS. Dear god not the pants. What are you hiding, Turtles??

Geeze, Venus, get a sports bra for ninja sake.

turtle1237

06-29-2017, 12:08 AM

Sure give her a 2nd chance. TNM was so bad, that I think no one had a shot of shining imo. The show did not suck because of Venus, the show suck because it was bad over all lol. Making Venus taking out the Shredder and pretty much using her "Magic" powers to be stronger than all 4 turtles and Splinter, was bad writing. Was not Venus' fault.

LeotheLateBloomer

06-29-2017, 12:15 AM

But what would be the purpose for bringing her back? For nostalgia's sake really. She wasn't an endearing character. Even in concept, Venus was never interesting. It makes more sense to create a new character who'd be better than she ever was.

turtle1237

06-29-2017, 12:20 AM

But what would be the purpose for bringing her back? For nostalgia's sake really. She wasn't an endearing character. Even in concept, Venus was never interesting. It makes more sense to create a new character who'd be better than she ever was.

If they can improve her, and redeem her, I don't see why they cant give her other shot.

DevilSpooky

06-29-2017, 03:44 AM

I like Venus and seriously think she got all the hate that's associated with TNM by association insted of being just because she's a bad character, put her on the hands of someone who knows WTH it's doing and you can get something really good, put her on the hands of IDW and you'll see how to make her interesting, she could work as a member of the Pantheon for example, and she could even retain all her mysthic powers as well.

FearlessLeader

06-29-2017, 07:20 AM

Personally to me part of what makes Turtles so interesting and at times kind of bitter sweet and tragic is the fact they are the only four of their "species" (like Sons of the Silent Age).

I certainly would never mind more interesting female characters but I feel like it would be better for the franchise personally if it wasn't a female turtle and especially if she wasn't the guys sister.

I'm not even touching on what an ABSOLUTE mess the character was on TNM, that could be fixed. I just feel like over all it would distract from the plot to add her versus her not returning.

pferreira

06-29-2017, 08:52 AM

Considering how many characters the IDW comic series as well as the Nick one have brought back I'm surprised they haven't attempted to remake her for their versions.

ninja-zero

06-30-2017, 02:03 PM

I can remake her with a K-Pop & J-Pop vibe. Using Kitana-style fans can suit her. But she can also gain ninja magic from various sorcerers all over Asia.

She can also be an adopted turtle taken into the family after her master died by the Dragon Lord.

The Battle Nexus Tournament could come back with her part of it.

IndigoErth

06-30-2017, 03:26 PM

Personally I'd give her new weapons that were a bit more original.

While I respect everyone's right to their own personal taste/vision, personally... I'm so tired of "girl's weapon is... magic powers," or if there is some Asian influence to something... fans. It's been done so much over time in different media, not just TMNT. I mean dammit, Nick April even went and did BOTH.

Not that fans with blades or a razor sharp edge aren't cool, they are, but at some point it starts to seem limited on what a girl "can" have. Magic... MEH. Clearly to keep a female character away from the action and participating in a 'ladylike' manner.

FredWolfLeonardo

06-30-2017, 03:39 PM

It would be funny yet bizzare (and make alot of fans mad) if Venus came out of nowhere in season 5 of Nick toon. Can you imagine Shinigami getting mutagen on her and suddenly, poof! :lol:

On the other hand, I was scared in season 2 when Karai was getting mutated. Out of dread, I didn't notice there was snake mutagen In the DNA, and when Karai fell, I thought the show was about to jump the shark in all directions.

IndigoErth

06-30-2017, 04:03 PM

Heck, I thought even April was going to turn into Venus for a minute when she fell into the vat of mutagen (I think one of the guys touched her just before she fell in?) ... until we found out she was immune.

As for alternate weapons, what about a pair of kamas? Or tonfas? Something a bit different from the guys. I could see her as an archer. Or maybe a blowgun. Or using the "steel-cloak" or metal ribbons seen in some anime.

FredWolfLeonardo

06-30-2017, 06:57 PM

I don't like Venus, but if I had to give her weapons, I think it would be interesting to see her fighting bare fisted as opposed to the weapon heavy fighting style of the turtles.

Jester

06-30-2017, 07:01 PM

As for alternate weapons, what about a pair of kamas? Or tonfas? Something a bit different from the guys. I could see her as an archer. Or maybe a blowgun. Or using the "steel-cloak" or metal ribbons seen in some anime.
But NM Mikey had Tonfa.

I could see her with kama though...or the bow and arrow.

MikeandRaph87

06-30-2017, 07:09 PM

...Really? :ohwell: I guess even the concept of Venus annoys some people.

The Next Mutation and Image short-lived runs are the opposite ends of horrible IMHO that I do not want either to ever touch the franchise again. I ignore the very existence of both incarnations as much as possible and deem them failures that contirbuted largely to the 4 and a half year dark period between Next Mutation's end and the toy line for the 2003 cartoon debuting on shelves. Venus embodies the Next Mutation end and I felt the concept of a female turtle takes away their uniqueness especially if they are not biologically siblings. Raphael dating Mona Lisa, a salamander which is fine. Other turtles in particular Slash as the Bizarro character of the franchise? Sure. Kerma as an alien race of turtle-like beings? Its not a mutated turtle race even if similar so,sure.

MsMarvelDuckie

06-30-2017, 07:25 PM

But NM Mikey had Tonfa.

I could see her with kama though...or the bow and arrow.

True but he generally is seen with nunchaku. That's what everyone is familiar with.

Panther10

06-30-2017, 07:59 PM

If there's hope for Venus then that means there's hope for....*gulp*...Zach!!!

*Swiftly flees from conversation and hides in pillow fort*

Candy Kappa

07-01-2017, 04:05 AM

Personally I'd give her new weapons that were a bit more original.

While I respect everyone's right to their own personal taste/vision, personally... I'm so tired of "girl's weapon is... magic powers," or if there is some Asian influence to something... fans. It's been done so much over time in different media, not just TMNT. I mean dammit, Nick April even went and did BOTH.

Not that fans with blades or a razor sharp edge aren't cool, they are, but at some point it starts to seem limited on what a girl "can" have. Magic... MEH. Clearly to keep a female character away from the action and participating in a 'ladylike' manner.

Yeah, I don't get the "war fans are for girls" mentality. Or maybe it's a herd idea whenever someone tries to reinvent Venus, but she often ends it having fans as weapons.

Which is kinda funny since war fans have not been a "girl's weapon", the famous fan users are all men and it was a sidearm that was less suspicious then a knife if you had to take of your swords in a diplomacy situation. I guess it's from western idea that a mere fan can't be a weapon therefore girls can have it as a weapon of deception they can use to lure men into their doom.

Should Venus have a proper lady dominated weapon, she should have a nnaginata which historically was favored by female warriors and the elite practitioners of naginatajutsu are women today.

Panda_Kahn_fan

07-01-2017, 12:42 PM

The Next Mutation and Image short-lived runs are the opposite ends of horrible IMHO that I do not want either to ever touch the franchise again. I ignore the very existence of both incarnations as much as possible and deem them failures that contirbuted largely to the 4 and a half year dark period between Next Mutation's end and the toy line for the 2003 cartoon debuting on shelves. Venus embodies the Next Mutation end and I felt the concept of a female turtle takes away their uniqueness especially if they are not biologically siblings. Raphael dating Mona Lisa, a salamander which is fine. Other turtles in particular Slash as the Bizarro character of the franchise? Sure. Kerma as an alien race of turtle-like beings? Its not a mutated turtle race even if similar so,sure.

And this is why I believe mei peh chi is salvageable as something like a member of the turtle-like aliens, or as a turtle like dragon.

Shark_Blade

07-02-2017, 09:31 AM

I guess she could work but they gotta rework a LOT of things about her:

1. The blue bandana needs to go away. I don't want another Leo wannabe. Maybe she could work with dark yellow, pink (ugh? maybe not), or white bandana.

2. Them boobs on her TURTLE chest. What's that for, titties for milking? Get rid of those pointless things on her.

3. Her fan weapon should be upgraded, maybe like Kitana's metal fans?

4. No magic power b.s. for her. Just grounded and normal ninja arts.

5. Don't share origin with the turtles, be somewhere else. The boys don't need to shag their own sister.

GoldMutant

07-02-2017, 09:41 AM

I guess she could work but they gotta rework a LOT of things about her:

1. The blue bandana needs to go away. I don't want another Leo wannabe. Maybe she could work with dark yellow, pink (ugh? maybe not), or white bandana.

To this day, I still don't get why they changed Leo's bandana in the intro to yellow but retain his blue color in the show. Why not give yellow to Venus instead of having two blue bandanas?

Shark_Blade

07-02-2017, 09:51 AM

To this day, I still don't get why they changed Leo's bandana in the intro to yellow but retain his blue color in the show. Why not give yellow to Venus instead of having two blue bandanas?

Wow you're right. He's wearing yellow bandana, wtf why? :teek:

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GoldMutant

07-02-2017, 10:48 AM

Wow you're right. He's wearing yellow bandana, wtf why? :teek:

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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but IMDB states they wanted to change it for one of two reasons. Either action figures or the blue screen's color keys.

Don's mask was apparently going to be black and Venus was to have pink.

I may be wrong here though.

Panda_Kahn_fan

07-02-2017, 11:19 AM

You know what I wish IDW would have done just to make the haters explode? Give her the yellow bandana Leo wore in TNM, ditcvh the shell boobs, have her keep her magic powers, and make her the turtle member of the pantheon. That'd make her not a mutant, and make her unique from the turtles! :lol:

Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

07-02-2017, 12:04 PM

You know what I wish IDW would have done just to make the haters explode? Give her the yellow bandana Leo wore in TNM, ditcvh the shell boobs, have her keep her magic powers, and make her the turtle member of the pantheon. That'd make her not a mutant, and make her unique from the turtles! :lol:

How insulting to Leo that they'd have even considered changing his signature color. And to yellow? A color that wouldn't exactly have a good symbolic meaning for the leader... Whoever thought of that must be a Leo hater. :tconfuse:

As for the unlikely Venus reboot... be brave... put her in black.

OR just keep her unrelated to the brothers, living separately, and no mask at all. That way she can tease them about the fact that they wear them.

Candy Kappa

07-02-2017, 12:30 PM

You know what I wish IDW would have done just to make the haters explode? Give her the yellow bandana Leo wore in TNM, ditcvh the shell boobs, have her keep her magic powers, and make her the turtle member of the pantheon. That'd make her not a mutant, and make her unique from the turtles! :lol:

why would that make the "haters" explode?

Panda_Kahn_fan

07-02-2017, 04:07 PM

why would that make the "haters" explode?

One of the things that annoy people about her is she overpowered and defeated the other four turtles in her first appearance, and her 'shinobi' powers made her more powerful than the other four. As a member of pantheon, she would once again be more powerful than the tmnt.

Candy Kappa

07-02-2017, 04:11 PM

But making her a Pantheon member readically changes her from the NM version, basically making her a different character altogether. I don't see how that'll stick it to the haters.

Powder

07-02-2017, 04:28 PM

I agree with Candy.

neatoman

07-02-2017, 04:50 PM

And to be honest, a radically different version of the character might be the way to go if it has to happen.

Panda_Kahn_fan

07-02-2017, 06:19 PM

But making her a Pantheon member readically changes her from the NM version, basically making her a different character altogether. I don't see how that'll stick it to the haters.

Most of the ones who really hate her don't want to see her return in any capacity. Stick anything remotely turtle-like up there named Venus, and they'll go berserk. I even met one TMNT fan at a con last year who hated her so much, he he nerd raged over her reappearance in the Nick series as a painting on the side of the party wagon. O_o

To those fans, just having her reappear in any form is sticking it to them. :)

GoldMutant

07-02-2017, 06:43 PM

I did some digging from last year, and I really liked this idea from Powder:

I'd wanna see her in the Nick series, as a dream/story of Michelangelo's. In Adventure Time, there are episodes in a different universe that are actually The Ice King's fanfiction. Given Mikey is an artist/writer in Mirage, it'd be cool to see that side of him brought out in a similar way, to introduce wacky characters & stories. I could see him writing about a cool female TMNT who knows magic. :trazz: I'd want her design to be in line with the 4 turtles, but maintain the general look of her original appearance, minus the shell boobs (though the top of the plaston could have a slight V shape to it, maybe). Have Malachi bring the turtles into her world to fight off Dragonlord or some other familiar foe.

It's practically too late for her to debut in Nick barring the van painting cameo (unless something lucky happens). However, as a one off into the comic realm, I'd love Mikey to end up in a dream where he teams with Venus and fights Dragon Lord. He could then wake up and write about the adventure, or we could see snippets of the comic come to life, sort of like the TV parodies for Nick TMNT.

ticktack

07-03-2017, 05:44 AM

I do have some good ideas regarding Venus.
Silly information: Planet Venus's color seems to be pale yellow.

That's all:)

ticktack

07-03-2017, 07:20 AM

I did some digging from last year, and I really liked this idea from Powder:

It's practically too late for her to debut in Nick barring the van painting cameo (unless something lucky happens). However, as a one off into the comic realm, I'd love Mikey to end up in a dream where he teams with Venus and fights Dragon Lord. He could then wake up and write about the adventure, or we could see snippets of the comic come to life, sort of like the TV parodies for Nick TMNT.

I imagine a WonderWoman parody but in a way of Nick's Wingnut-Screwloose was interpreted. Though I have more different ideas for her.

ranger_scout

07-03-2017, 06:24 PM

My best friend really think she deserves another chance. Since he was a die-hard fan of Power Rangers as a kid, he thought the crossover in Power Rangers in Space with the Turtles from Next Mutation was the coolest thing in the entire world. However, I'm sure that plenty of young kids felt the same way. Next Mutation really was the first 'TMNT' series he was a fan of. He never saw enough of the Fred Wolf series. I don't think that Venus de Milo will ever return because that is the one series that the franchise is trying to distance itself as far away as it could.

Utrommaniac

07-03-2017, 06:36 PM

I can see how Venus being a member of the Pantheon would work. Especially with the suggestion that many of them have been lost because they fought among each other. Maybe she could be thought to be dead, but managed to "disappear" for a long while and at some point reveals herself to the turtles.

But that would probably mean taking on the role that Aka already has.

pferreira

07-06-2017, 02:53 PM

To this day, I still don't get why they changed Leo's bandana in the intro to yellow but retain his blue color in the show. Why not give yellow to Venus instead of having two blue bandanas?Leo had the wrong colour. He should of had Venus bandana. :D

IndigoErth

07-06-2017, 03:53 PM

Was he very tired that morning and grabbed the wrong one and no one bothered to tell him? :tlol:

ninja-zero

07-08-2017, 10:12 AM

If a new series after the 2012 were to happen, what if Venus de Milo would've been Miwa?

And possibly rescued as an orphan by those involved in the Battle Nexus Tournament. Maybe she'll get mutated into a turtle. That includes he traveling to Earth from time to time to watch over her father and the turtles. Even learn various cultures all over the world.

pferreira

07-13-2017, 09:18 AM

Was he very tired that morning and grabbed the wrong one and no one bothered to tell him? :tlol:Well Venus must of been "Finders Keepers" because he never wore it again. :lol: