tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post1573979799946293383..comments2015-07-30T04:35:57.486-07:00Comments on John K Stuff: A Shameful Ignorant StereotypeJohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-538617220969622762012-01-26T04:41:06.906-08:002012-01-26T04:41:06.906-08:00Billy voiced Sven AS WELL AS STIMPY? He was so, so...Billy voiced Sven AS WELL AS STIMPY? He was so, so funny as Sven! He was hilarious! Especially when he put the &#39;Y&#39; syllable on the wrong words!fandumbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03277209600461304524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-17518442282083731602008-10-18T20:55:00.000-07:002008-10-18T20:55:00.000-07:00Speaking of stereotypes, i've been trying to hunt ...Speaking of stereotypes, i've been trying to hunt down both the yodeling and the accordion music from ren and stimpy, especially the sven hoek episode. Who wrote the songs and what are they called???Secret Squirrelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06436394642406737468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-31093282372571677812008-10-13T21:04:00.000-07:002008-10-13T21:04:00.000-07:00oh yeah John Your comment on the blandness of peop...oh yeah John Your comment on the blandness of people in the apple ad. The younger white guy is supposed to represent Apple company's CEO Steve Jobs, While the Pc Guy is supposed to Represent Bill Gates Of Windows. Look for the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley" For the Complete story on how Apple and Microsoft Ran their companys in the 80's until they discovered the advent of the Graphic Based Zacharyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05785524743278088852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-73032290086246240502008-10-13T08:18:00.000-07:002008-10-13T08:18:00.000-07:00the modernism is exterminating the original cultur...the modernism is exterminating the original cultures,I agree with you about the computer publicity, I am not sure about which one was intended to be promoted, it seems that it just worked on both sides ... .Hernán G. Fuentealbahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09181773659548920070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-3858394152981074192008-10-09T17:07:00.000-07:002008-10-09T17:07:00.000-07:00You make a lot of points. And comedy should push t...You make a lot of points. And comedy should push the envelope and point out hypocrycies. I think the one challenge is that it becomes difficult when you are satirizing or making fun of a culture or group that traditionally has been subject to oppression and hate. It's not fair to say "They don't have a sense of humor," when they have had to live with denigration (and outright violence) for Randy Reynaldohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08105266129029859540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-77590214007199132162008-10-09T09:35:00.000-07:002008-10-09T09:35:00.000-07:00Great article!There may indeed be some point beyon...Great article!<BR/><BR/>There may indeed be some point beyond which a stereotype is used not to simply “downgrade” the emulated for purposes of simple comedy, but to “degrade” for purposes of political hegemony– but many academic critics don’t know the difference.<BR/><BR/>“Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarves,” the crows in DUMBO– these are not on a par with the black congressmen in BIRTH OF A Gene Phillipshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11495562795211277146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-27180278416624783642008-10-09T06:55:00.000-07:002008-10-09T06:55:00.000-07:00Wow... great stuff. As a German-American (mother...Wow... great stuff. As a German-American (mother born in Hannover, I was born in Omaha), I really don't take much offense to German stereotypes. (Mom, on the other hand, couldn't stand "Hogan's Heroes".)<BR/><BR/>Lederhosen? Not so popular now, but back in the day, yeah. Those leather pants are INDESTRUCTIBLE. Perfect for kids.<BR/><BR/>Curiously, while reading about Sven (I still get a Torsten Adairhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01003810809542196460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-38253474851420752112008-10-08T22:27:00.000-07:002008-10-08T22:27:00.000-07:00I'm surprised that from the facts that- The best c...I'm surprised that from the facts that<BR/><BR/>- The best cartoonist ever (in our opinion) focused extensively at the appearance of things in reality, and he must have studied hundreds and thousands of actual objects before he cartooned them in his superb way. <BR/><BR/>- We live in an age of increasing blandness and uniformity, in more than one way. The world and its people _everywhere_ are Travenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02837442458479791130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-31545713966047303042008-10-08T14:36:00.000-07:002008-10-08T14:36:00.000-07:00I could not resist... http://www.raaacartoons.com/...I could not resist... http://www.raaacartoons.com/blogstuff/nativebabe_low.jpgRAAAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01822930954059750074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-56865242269331775822008-10-08T06:09:00.000-07:002008-10-08T06:09:00.000-07:00&gt;&gt;Oliver: You&#39;re doing it again. Lederho...&gt;&gt;Oliver: You&#39;re doing it again. Lederhosen are NOT typically german, they&#39;re even not typically bavarian.&lt;&lt;<BR/><BR/>Says someone from the north... <BR/><BR/>&gt;&gt; It is only a small minority of traditionalists and some more people who work in tourist business who still wear them.&lt;&lt;<BR/><BR/>Maybe, but that&#39;s exactly, besides the Octoberfest, what Bavarian is Oliver_Ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12457187224201712751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-74520889092708065052008-10-06T17:02:00.000-07:002008-10-06T17:02:00.000-07:00Yumpin' Yimminie, what's wrong with lederhosen? I...Yumpin' Yimminie, what's wrong with lederhosen? I hide mine in the closet....like an idiot.<BR/><BR/>How else are we supposed to yump through the fjords?Sven Hoekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06577214251916614307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-32859651564065442572008-10-06T05:43:00.000-07:002008-10-06T05:43:00.000-07:00Oliver: You're doing it again. Lederhosen are NOT ...Oliver: You're doing it again. Lederhosen are NOT typically german, they're even not typically bavarian. It is only a small minority of traditionalists and some more people who work in tourist business who still wear them. Saying Lederhosen are typically german would be as ridiculous as saying South Bronx Gangsta Rap is typically american, all 200 million of them listen to nothing else. See what slowtigerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10173224750911770577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-35935467653336121202008-10-04T10:06:00.000-07:002008-10-04T10:06:00.000-07:00It's funny you actually made a distinction between...It's funny you actually made a distinction between Germany and Bavaria, because mainly Bavaria, while being a part of Germany, is most famous for typical German stereotypes (Green hats, Lederhosen, Oktoberfest...).<BR/><BR/>As being a German myself, I never took any offense in Sven Hoek, because it was more than evident you guys just had lots of fun screwing around, and why not? There are lots ofOliver_Ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12457187224201712751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-55288009056361641962008-10-04T08:24:00.000-07:002008-10-04T08:24:00.000-07:00Hi sagelights, Thanks for the response. "They we...Hi sagelights,<BR/><BR/> Thanks for the response.<BR/><BR/> "They were supposed to have the feeling of royalty of course because that is the parody of Snow White, but they made it so they were rich looking bums."<BR/><BR/> Well, I have to concede that this *might* have been a subtle piece of racism sneaking in. Racism, like all other forms of bias, is an insidious thing that can assert itselfMLPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02363965574359465781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-58751042335927052008-10-04T06:34:00.000-07:002008-10-04T06:34:00.000-07:00The only thing that bothers me is that you mix up ...The only thing that bothers me is that you mix up 12 mio Bavarians with 82 mio Germans. And only a fraction of those Bavarians wears Lederhosen.<BR/><BR/>I think cartoon stereotypes are outdated by 100 years, just like the vaudeville acts they still mimic a lot. I'd like to see some updated stereotypes, just for a change. I remember having read in SF novels about scottish engineers and swiss slowtigerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10173224750911770577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-76344118938772346142008-10-03T23:36:00.000-07:002008-10-03T23:36:00.000-07:00http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AhPlR_1sHdw/SOb4_MwkEAI/...http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AhPlR_1sHdw/SOb4_MwkEAI/AAAAAAAAADs/SWTgxo3ctfQ/s1600-h/sketch.jpg<BR/><BR/>um,, how does this look to you? it's of the lady in front of the gamestop with that funny looking manNikitahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02975751161143205872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-19685629527189663372008-10-03T20:57:00.001-07:002008-10-03T20:57:00.001-07:00Mr. Kricfalusi, I think the reason why it is more ...Mr. Kricfalusi, I think the reason why it is more difficult to make fun of cultures from Africa, East Asia, and some other lands is because prior racist portrayals have a cultural weight that makes portrayal more sensitive. Western Europe does not have this weight, so it is easier to parody Western European stereotypes in good fun (i.e. with Sven) and get away with it.<BR/><BR/>In Rocko's Modern Vincenthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04328454039431047492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-26243833403893893882008-10-03T17:28:00.000-07:002008-10-03T17:28:00.000-07:00Some people make exaggerations of races and cultur...Some people make exaggerations of races and cultures because they find them interesting and entertaining. Other people make exaggerations of races and cultures because they consider their members filthy subhumans who must be mocked accordingly. How do you tell the difference between the two? Out of context you can't, and therein lies the problem.<BR/><BR/>In other words, an extremely exaggerated Tall 40http://www.blogger.com/profile/11630291976037863843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-12837630913697117952008-10-03T14:45:00.000-07:002008-10-03T14:45:00.000-07:00"I think an important distinction needs to be made..."I think an important distinction needs to be made: We live in a REPUBLIC, not a DEMOCRACY."<BR/><BR/>(For the purposes of this response, I will also ignore the vast majority of the world that has access to this forum who are not the "we" spoken of)<BR/><BR/>Some people (who tend to have talk radio blasting through their house 24/7) tend to claim this. It is, however, wrong. The people of the US Tedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14783618617749580841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-50184091891437524022008-10-03T13:19:00.000-07:002008-10-03T13:19:00.000-07:00Can't we all just...get along?Can't we all just...<BR/>get along?Sven Hoekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06577214251916614307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-20467898463081848152008-10-03T13:04:00.000-07:002008-10-03T13:04:00.000-07:00Good job MLP,I was gonna make a similar rebuttal, ...Good job MLP,<BR/><BR/>I was gonna make a similar rebuttal, but you actually hit on more of the points I was going to.<BR/><BR/>This is an example of how making assumptions about intent is a dodgy business. There are a lot of pop culture references from that era that just go right over the heads of people today, and can lead to big misunderstandings.<BR/><BR/>The characters in Coal Black aren't Dan Jacksonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10454833580765450563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-50727655881126107122008-10-03T11:58:00.000-07:002008-10-03T11:58:00.000-07:00I just want to say mLP that I read your response b...I just want to say mLP that I read your response before and I thought it was absolutely exquisite. So I have a lot respect for your opinion, but there was raggy sort of feel with perhaps those hard to come by items. They were supposed to have the feeling of royalty of course because that is the parody of Snow White, but they made it so they were rich looking bums. <BR/>The Queen wearing red and Sagelightshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16933224602314101031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-65463668331927811742008-10-03T11:57:00.000-07:002008-10-03T11:57:00.000-07:00I think an important distinction needs to be made:...I think an important distinction needs to be made: We live in a REPUBLIC, not a DEMOCRACY. <BR/><BR/>A democracy is majority rules. That means, if I can convince enough people that it's alright to steal everything in your home (or censor the press, or war on drugs), and they believe me, there is nothing you can do about it. And majorities tend to stay in power in a democracy. Throughout historyKelly Toonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11011936536599240627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-57231588200558616802008-10-03T11:20:00.000-07:002008-10-03T11:20:00.000-07:00"Coal Black is definitely a wonderful cartoon for ..."Coal Black is definitely a wonderful cartoon for a lot of reasons, but the offensiveness with it is definitely the emphasis on black face, but also how everyone was poor. The prince had a makeshift tire and the Queen's treasures were really junk like tires. So no matter how rich they appeared they were still low on the economy scale."<BR/><BR/> You don't know much about the World War II years.MLPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02363965574359465781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-85463549343038902422008-10-03T10:52:00.000-07:002008-10-03T10:52:00.000-07:00&gt;&gt;Who&#39;s more important, the 100 people i...&gt;&gt;Who&#39;s more important, the 100 people in the room who get the joke or the 10 people who don&#39;t?&lt;&lt;<BR/><BR/>Well, yes, obviously. If you worry about what even the most dissatisfied dissenter has to say, you&#39;re going to end up being pretty miserable.<BR/><BR/>But let me ask you: who&#39;s more important, the 10 who do get the joke or the 100 who don&#39;t?Disposable Ninjahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06937466633250560327noreply@blogger.com