tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3526785811735329940.post755441149086166566..comments2018-03-17T08:16:05.252-07:00Comments on footnoteMaven: Citation Geeks - Elizabeth Shown Mills Bats CleanupfootnoteMavennoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3526785811735329940.post-28206595341639757222009-10-25T21:02:53.660-07:002009-10-25T21:02:53.660-07:00Definitely more in the morning - nearing midnight ...Definitely more in the morning - nearing midnight here &amp; I have to be up in 5 hours. The fact that I even care at this time of night PROVES my geekhood.<br /><br />Look forward to discussing this a bit more, as I often create my own citations to online databases/images not specifically mentioned in EE using this formula.Michael Haithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17838947327022663525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3526785811735329940.post-20223815779239945872009-10-25T20:57:06.629-07:002009-10-25T20:57:06.629-07:00Michael:
Love you citation geeks. You did all tha...Michael:<br /><br />Love you citation geeks. You did all that off the top of your head? Wow! <br /><br />Cited to the memorial database. ESM discusses this in EE at pg. 229 I believe, in reference to Virtual Cemetery.<br /><br />How I see this is Find A Grave is an online database containing digital images and written information under a specific memorial database number. EE has a standard for it and I used it with online enhancements. <br /><br />The citation is to a specific memorial and I have differentiated between the two types of information, depending on what was being used. ESM would not. It is, however, as she said analogous to the census.<br /><br />Now I do see where you&#39;re coming from and I think it might also be similar to LOC photos that have bibliographic information.<br /><br />Hmmm. I think I&#39;ll ponder this in the morning.<br /><br />-fMfootnoteMavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136826114954180827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3526785811735329940.post-71539484859530730292009-10-25T20:17:39.910-07:002009-10-25T20:17:39.910-07:00I would really hate to disagree with a consensus b...I would really hate to disagree with a consensus by the two top &quot;citation geeks.&quot; Nonetheless, I do have a question/suggestion, in regards to consistency. First, though, I must ask if you are citing the gravestone photo in the above note style, or the user-submitted information that accompanies the photo (i.e. the database)?<br /><br />In terms of Reference Notes, when citing the photograph, why not use the format:<br /><br />So and so gravestone, So and so cemetery; digital photograph, Find A Grave (http://www.findagrave.com : accessed 25 Oct 2009); photograph submitted by So and so, dated ...<br /><br />I will have to do a little more research - these are just a few preliminary thoughts, but here is my thinking:<br /><br />Most sources follow the pattern:<br /><br />Original record[; media[; source of media]]<br /><br />For example, a census record on Ancestry.com is cited (using EE here; don&#39;t yet have the Quicksheet):<br /><br />1850 U. S. Census, Sucha Co., State, population schedule, Town, page, dwelling, family, household; digital image, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 25 Oct 2009); citing NARA microfilm ....<br /><br />Likewise an FHL microfilm would be cited:<br /><br />Original record citation; FHL microfilm number.<br /><br />Both of these follow the same pattern, just using different media.<br /><br />Shouldn&#39;t a Find A Grave photo be cited using the same pattern?<br /><br />All of the above now being said (at length; sorry), if you were referring to the actual user-submitted database entry rather than the stone photographs, then forgive me and forget everything.<br /><br />(I will also admit that I am not consulting any references while writing this. A little too comfortable where I am sitting. Just working from your posts and my memory, which I hope has not played any tricks on me as I write this.)Michael Haithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17838947327022663525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3526785811735329940.post-4412968351565959852009-10-23T16:20:52.250-07:002009-10-23T16:20:52.250-07:00Donner:
I agree with you completely and this poin...Donner:<br /><br />I agree with you completely and this points up one of my pet peeves.<br /><br />You must understand citations to understand their problems. Plug and play citation templates, forms, and programs are completely useless if you wouldn&#39;t know a correct citation if it appeared on your desktop.<br /><br />KillafootnoteMavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136826114954180827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3526785811735329940.post-24138889706758781022009-10-23T16:15:04.876-07:002009-10-23T16:15:04.876-07:00Killa,
First, let me just say that I wish I knew ...Killa,<br /><br />First, let me just say that I wish I knew you when I was in college and grad school.<br /><br /><i>So, would an Enhanced First Reference Note work for blogging if used as a Source List Note listed in the order used and placed at the end of the blog post/article? </i><br /><br />Yes, I think so. But, as you say...there&#39;s no citation police and no tickets. I think if we write our family histories for publication, then we should try to obey all of the known rules for citations. But blogging is a different animal. I love having guidelines, but sometimes you have to tweak it (provided that you do know your source material and have it available for occasions where someone asks or you &quot;formally&quot; use the post for printed publication).<br /><br />Donner, former English major who should probably like citations more than I dopastprologuehttp://pastprologue.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3526785811735329940.post-91937260062825527132009-10-23T13:30:22.487-07:002009-10-23T13:30:22.487-07:00Caroline:
You are my favorite kind of woman; one ...Caroline:<br /><br />You are my favorite kind of woman; one with an opinion. <br /><br />Thank you!<br /><br />-fMfootnoteMavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136826114954180827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3526785811735329940.post-78531191356601798092009-10-23T13:11:13.044-07:002009-10-23T13:11:13.044-07:00Me, be lazy and all, I would prefer some type of E...Me, be lazy and all, I would prefer some type of Enhanced First Reference Note used as Source List Note. Also, it would be easier for newbie genea-bloggers to grasp [and not scare them away]. Now, if the blog post is more technical and/or long, First and Subsequent Reference Notes would probably be better.<br /><br />CarolineCMPointerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02440331516671118735noreply@blogger.com