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abhik wrote:The latest version of American MLRS does 150km, I think we will see further improvement in range in future versions.

TCGMLRS is good for about 139 km with the changes accepted by the US Army. It becomes a 150 km system only when combined with other changes (slightly larger, though still pod compliant, motor) offered, but not yet accepted, by Lockheed Martin. But GMLRS it is a 227 mm diameter system.

100 km for Pinaka should be plenty of stand off range given PA targets given their lack of depth and the sheer numbers that the IA can put in once it cranks up production for this variant.

The 'guided' Pinaka is basically a Pinaka-II with a modern inertial navigation system. As such, Pinaka-II weighs 325 kg with a warhead weight of 112 kg and the rocket length is 5.175 metres. The Mk-II rocket is larger and longer than the Mk-I rocket & achieves greater range.Saurav Jha twitter

JTull wrote:If BEL is already working on IRST 'that's better than OLS-30' for MWF, and we've a working IIR seeker then surely we've enough knowhow for a short range AAM. Eagerly waiting for news on that front

We have an AON cleared for a D&D project for an IRST replacement. A long way from an operational product.

You are calling this giant 20ft x 80ft plume of smoke for javelin 'low'.. For the next 30 seconds, every gun on the battlefield will know where the javelin wala is. In comparison, our MPATGM appears relatively smokeless in the day picture.. In the night picture, you are seeing that flash.

Tarmak has 2 videos: day launch & night launch. In the videos, its clear that there is an initial booster to get the missile to clear the launch tube, followed by the main booster.

For the initial boost, we can see a smaller flame in the musharraf, compared to the main booster.

In the daytime launch video, the flame for the initial boost seems reasonable - comparable to Javelin. In the night time launch, it seems more pronounced - it needs to be compared to a night launch of Javelin (see below). Even for Javelin, we can clearly some amount of smoke from the main booster blowing back into the face of the GI Joe who is launching

Video of night launch of Javelin. The flame/sparks appear a lot more pronounced

Great stuff Prem. Yes, its a case of "a timed exposure to the initial launch." The camera has been set up for maximal time exposure, i.e. visual capture at low light conditions and hence the brief burst of flame, and set of sparks appears as if its a very big deal. We can literally see the same flame/sparks pattern with the Javelin video.

The Javelin is included in the Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) between India and the US, which means that that the US administration is ready to share technology and to co-produce and co-develop future weapon systems in India.

Lockheed Martin, india US ties, Javelin Anti-Tank Guided Missiles, India, make in india, aero india show, DRDO, Foreign Military Sales routeThe Americans have so far been reluctant to part with the latest generation of technology for Javelin, but the MoD source said Washington has now agreed to part with new-generation Javelin for co-production in India.

US aerospace giant Lockheed Martin is ready to offer Javelin Anti-tank Guided Missiles through the Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) between India and US, and `MAKE II’ set, say company officials. Speaking to Financial Express Online, Haley Donoho, International Business Development, Javelin said, “We are offering the Javelin ATGM through the DTTI route and if the deal is finalised it will be made in India under `Make II’ category.”

The Javelin is included in the Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) between India and the US, which means that that the US administration is ready to share technology and to co-produce and co-develop future weapon systems in India. Through the efforts of the DTTI, more than 50 per cent of the original or pathfinder projects have reached project agreement. Projects including signature aperture radar, hot-engine technology for indigenous light combat aircraft and stealth-coating technology are critical for widening the scope for DTTI cooperation.

Donoho in response to a question said that, “We are very willing to share technology, and we are very willing to co-produce and co-develop future versions of the weapon system in India.”

The Americans have so far been reluctant to part with the latest generation of technology for Javelin, but the MoD source said Washington has now agreed to part with new-generation Javelin for co-production in India.

Sources confirmed that Lockheed Martin at the recently concluded Aero-India show had made a presentation again on Javelin Anti-tank Guided Missiles, and further discussions will take place.

India had come very close to purchasing the Javelin weapon, through the Foreign Military Sales route, but the US had refused to transfer technology for the system and the proposal finally fell through in 2010.

It may be recalled that the US ‘Javelin’ ATGM built by Lockheed Martin has a range of 4000 meters, has already been rejected once when Indian Army chose Spike of Israel which has a range of only 2500 meters.

The tender for acquiring ATGM from countries including Israel, France and US was cancelled earlier after a decision was taken to get the indigenous missiles from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

Last October, after successfully flight testing for the second time the indigenously developed Man Portable Anti-Tank Guided Missile (MPATGM), production facility for manufacturing these missiles was inaugurated at Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) unit at Bhanur. The mass production of the man portable anti-tank guided missile (MPATGM) is likely to start in 2021.

Financial Express Online has reported earlier that the MPATGM is a third-generation anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), which has been under development by DRDO in partnership with Indian defense contractor VEM Technologies Ltd. since 2015. This missile is fitted with a high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) warhead and has a maximum engagement range of about 2.5 Kms. Eight static tests of rocket motor have been conducted to achieve consistent ballistic performance in 2017.

In 2017, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) had called off the planned purchase of Israeli Spike-MR which was valued at $ 500 mn and had directed the DRDO to indigenously work on man-portable fire and forget guided missile.

These missiles are going to equip India Army’s both infantry and mechanised units by the early 2020s. Also, as has been reported earlier in the media, DRDO has also been working on the third-generation ATGM Nag which is in advanced stage of testing, fired from the Nag Missile Carrier (NAMICA). The Indian army says it requires at least 40,000 anti-tank guided missiles in the next 20 years to equip 382 infantry battalions and 44 mechanized infantry units with new-generation weapons and replace the second- generation French-made Milan missile.

lot of dalals will be pushing for one time 'emergency' import of 10,000 javelins for a few billion.

fortunately we have enough stock of konkurs, kornets and milan2T - mostly we will be ok. its not as if Paki tanks will have run of the place - not with 100 jaguars and mi35 waiting to pounce and make all their wet dreams come true.