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What They're Saying About the Administration's Farm Bill Proposals

Farm Bill Feeds Greed "… as the House and Senate struggle to reconcile their separate bills, they've hit a serious roadblock. They're about $10 billion over their spending limit, prompting a veto threat from President Bush. For what it's worth, Bush is dead right." (The Los Angeles Times, 3/21/08)

Oppose this Farm Bill "Mr. Bush has been on the side of environmentalists and conservationists, who also want fewer crop subsidies. We hope he sticks to his position because he, too, may feel pressure to sign a bill before leaving office. We were encouraged last week to hear him say he believes in a safety net for farmers..."(Dallas Morning News, 3/17/08)

Plough New Ground "The president wants stronger limits on payments to wealthy farmers and has argued that no payments should be made to farmers who make $200,000 a year or more. This is a reasonable cutoff. (Editorial, The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 3/17/08)

Lift Farm Policy into 21st Century "The new farm bill remains bogged in disputes between Congress, which balked at meaningful reforms, and President Bush, who demands a leaner bill... Farmers, consumers and taxpayers would all benefit from a farm bill that replaces subsidies with a more cost-effective safety net, encourages conservation and biofuel production, and holds overall spending in check." (Editorial, Wisconsin State Journal, 3/15/08)

Change Farm Policy: "The president should, as threatened, veto any version of the 2008 farm bill that doesn't seriously cut back on the Depression- era subsidy scheme.Pelosi: Cut food stamps to help rich farmers "Whether you're a liberal who thinks the federal government is already too accommodating of the rich, a conservative who thinks giving public funds to a thriving industry is indefensible or a moderate who holds both views, the answer could not be more obvious: You cut the subsidies. To the president's credit, this is just what he is calling for in negotiations over the massive, long-term farm bill now pending before lawmakers. The Bush administration has won support from a strong cross-section of both the House and Senate, including a surprising number of farm-state legislators who fear a public backlash when it sinks in that wealthy corn, wheat and soybean growers are getting so much taxpayer help - and at a time when the cost of food is steadily increasing. (Editorial, San Diego Union Tribune, 3/4/08)

Cut welfare for farmers: "Early on, reformers had a potential ally in President Bush, who signaled that he was fed up with excessive farm subsidies and wanted tough new limits... It's long past time to rein in the farm subsidy system." (Editorial, USA Today, 2/27/08)

Prices, farm bill provisions threaten food aid: "The Bush administration and the United Nations' World Food Program say provisions in both the House and Senate versions of a new farm bill could slash the amount of money available to the United Nations for famine relief... Chuck Conner, the acting agriculture secretary, says the proposed mandate for development work would be "dangerous and reckless" because it could leave the government without the cash to help the United Nations cope with emergencies." (Editorial, Des Moines Register, 1/27/08)

Welfare for Millionaires: "President George W. Bush supported an income limit of $200,000 for subsidies, and pressed hard for it. He proposed reforming today's bizarre system of farm entitlements and moving to a sensible program that helps farmers when their income drops. Such a system would better conform with international trade agreements." (Editorial, St. Louis Post Dispatch, 12/20/07)

Start Over on farm bill: "President Bush should veto the 2007 farm bill and send Congress back to work... Accept a veto. Stand up to the interests vested in the policies of the past. Give American agriculture a new direction that will benefit farmers, consumers and taxpayers." (Editorial, Wisconsin-State Journal, 12/20/07)

The Senate disappoints: "Despite the hard work of the Bush administration and Mike Johanns, the former U.S. secretary of agriculture and governor of Nebraska, the Senate followed the House in tossing aside reforms that would have directed more payments to farmers who actually need them and less money to higher-income farm operations." (Editorial, Omaha World-Herald, 12/18/07)

Eliminate Farm Subsidies: "We hope President Bush has the sense to hold to his promise to veto the farm subsidy bill working its way to his desk... Bush said he would veto anything that doesn't limit subsidies to farmers earning about $200,000 or less. A better idea would be to eliminate them entirely and let the market rule farming, as it does so many other aspects of the economy." (Editorial, Deseret Morning News, 12/15/07)

Farm bill can help Long Island: "Congress and the White House are at loggerheads over subsidies - the payments that go directly to growers of traditional commodity crops such as wheat, corn, rice, cotton and soy beans. Rich people accustomed to rich subsidies are loath to give them up. President George W. Bush insists they must. Congress should too." (Editorial, Newsday, 12/12/07)

Clamp down on Subsidies: "The Bush administration, with the leadership of farm-stater Mike Johanns, who was secretary of agriculture until he recently resigned to run for the U.S. Senate in Nebraska, and farm-stater Chuck Conner, who is now acting secretary, has been ahead on farm-policy reform from the start." (Editorial, Pioneer Press, 12/12/07)

Farm-bill Civics Lessons: "On the farm bill, Bush officials make legitimate points in expressing concern about questionable fiscal measures in the House legislation. The gimmicks include the dubious use of "tax credit bonds," as well as the sham noted above (shifting payment of services outside Congress' actual "budget window"). (Editorial, Omaha World-Herald, 11/30/07)

Subsidies and Salvation: "Credit the Bush administration with holding firm for real reform in this reauthorization of the farm bill. As acting Agriculture Secretary Chuck Conner said in a recent phone interview with us, it does not make sense to tax middle-income Americans to provide subsidies that reach people in the upper two-percent bracket." (Editorial, San Francisco Gate, 11/26/07)

Bush should veto farm bill, if need be: "The Bush administration has threatened a veto unless certain changes are made. We say, don't even hesitate, Mr. President...By vetoing the farm bill, if it comes to that, President Bush might be making life more difficult for some farm-state legislators - but he'd be doing farmers, and taxpayers, a favor." (Editorial, Pioneer Press, 11/12/07)

Millionaire farmers don't deserve federal subsidies: "President Bush, backed by an array of environmental groups, has threatened to veto the farm bill if the Senate doesn't clean up the House excesses. We hope the Senate adopts the Kind-Flake reforms, but if it doesn't, we will support a veto by Bush." (Editorial, Denver Post, 10/23/07)

Senate: Pass a farm bill to reward innovation: "President Bush has threatened to veto a bloated $286 billion farm bill the House passed in July. He needs to stand firm, and the Senate needs to take it seriously." (Editorial, Sacramento Bee, 9/30/07)

Don't miss opportunity offered by farm bill: "Johanns used the same phrase - 'historic opportunity' - in describing the need to increase conservation funding. A visionary farm bill would pave the way toward weaning farmers from crop-specific subsidies and reward them instead for being good stewards of the soil and water. The Conservation Security Program, if funded properly, would provide that pathway... Johanns' phrase is appropriate: Developing the right farm bill for the times is a 'historic opportunity.' The Senate should seize it." (Editorial, Des Moines Register, 8/15/07)

Farm bill contains few reforms: "Supporters of the House bill made much of the decision to reduce the subsidy cap for individuals who receive farm payments. Currently, farmers with adjusted gross incomes above $2.5 million no longer receive such payments. The House lowered the cap to $1 million - a still-objectionable level. Unfortunately, there was little support for the Bush administration's modest reforms. They would have lowered the income cap to $200,000, while putting more emphasis on direct payments rather than subsidies linked to crop yields." (Editorial, Kansas City Star, 7/31/2007)

Still waiting for farm reform: "Billions of dollars would be redirected -- at far higher levels than the House envisions -- to conservation, renewable fuels, food stamps and growers of specialty crops who are now largely frozen out of the system. President Bush, who is threatening to veto the House bill, favors many of these ideas. With his help, the forces of reform may yet prevail." (Editorial, New York Times, 7/28/2007)

A chance for reform: "Mr. Bush had recommended basing eligibility on farm income, which doesn't always follow price. That would be a fairer way to ensure that more money goes to farmers who need it... Our wasteful farm subsidy program is ripe for reform. Mr. Bush sees it. So do many members of Congress. The best hope lies in a vigorous debate when the bill arrives on the House floor." (Editorial, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 7/26/2007)

Pelosi backs the wrong side in farm bill fight: "The Bush administration and bipartisan reformers want to end farm payments to anyone earning an adjusted income above $200,000. Such a ceiling would create three times the budget savings and would still affect only a small percentage of the 1.6 million individuals who receive farm subsidies... It's not every day this page finds itself on the side of President Bush and against Pelosi, but she's wrong on this crucial, 2007 farm bill." (Editorial, Sacramento Bee, 7/26/07)

Farm bill reforms are long overdue: "President Bush has said he will veto the farm bill if it arrives on his desk in the misbegotten form it left the House Agriculture Committee. If it comes to that, we'll certainly support the president, though we hope the Senate proves more responsible when it writes its own version of the farm bill in September." (Editorial, Denver Post, 7/26/2007)

Union doozy: "The good news is that the White House has some leverage over the farm bill because many Democratic freshmen are from rural districts and want to see it pass. This union doozy deserves to be prime veto bait." (Editorial, The Wall Street Journal, 7/25/2007)

Congress failing again on farm policy reform: "The Bush administration was really making a very modest proposal this year when it suggested limiting farm subsidy eligibility to those farmers with adjusted gross income of $200,000 or less -- down from the current $2.5 million. But even this reform was too much for the big farm interests. The change that came out of the Agriculture Committee chaired by Rep. Collin Peterson, D-Minn., would only cut off subsidies for operations with an adjusted gross income of more than $1 million. That's not reform." (Editorial, San Antonio Express-News, 7/24/2007)

Congress should look beyond status-quo thinking on farm bill: "The Bush administration, through U.S. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns, has called for greater equity and predictability in the new farm bill. Past editorials here have noted the value of the administration's proposal. Johanns is right when he says the revenue-based, cyclical program his department suggests is significantly more responsive to 'actual producer needs.'" (Editorial, Omaha World-Herald, 7/3/2007)

Conservation and preservation central to 2007 farm bill: "Previous farm bills, in an effort to offer consistent programs nationwide, have too often assumed that one size fits all, which clearly is not the case. This less-than-representative level of funding for conservation hits New Jersey and other urbanized states especially hard. Farmers already are hard-pressed to ensure sufficient buffers between our farming operations and the residential and business corridors nearby. Providing environmentally friendly buffers is a key to sustaining the farms we have. U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns and his staff have been working hard to address these inequities from past farm bills. They have held 'listening sessions' throughout the country, including one in New Brunswick and another in Battery Park, New York." (Editorial, The Times, 6/7/2007)

End Farm Subsidies: "President Bush, to his credit, has proposed a series of improvements for the next farm bill. The president's plan would trim farm-bill spending over the next five years by $10 billion compared to the past five. It would end handouts to farmers earning more than $200,000 a year. It would boost funding for land conservation and production of farm-grown fuels." (Editorial, Orlando Sentinel, 6/2/2007)

Cultivating saner policy: "Over the past year, Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns, a former governor of Nebraska, toured the country, listened to farmers, and embraced practical reforms. In January, initial bills focused on improving America's food supply and environmental stewardship. But beginning work this month, the agriculture committees seem to be plodding down a conventional trail, seemingly oblivious to cries for a radical shift from the 2002 bill." (Editorial, Philadelphia Inquirer, 5/31/2007)

Farm bill offers opportunity: "Global warming and the need for renewable energy resources have now caused Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns to work for the "greenest" - and most economically rational - farm bill in U.S. history... The Bush administration's new plan seeks to end what is now seven decades of failure by reining in some of the giveaways while harnessing the power of American farmers to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil. The heart of the Bush plan trades the failed commodity subsidies for a more reliable farm income maintenance system, coupled with a rural development program and an expanded food stamp program for needy Americans...It's an ambitious agenda and one that offers special benefits to rural Colorado. We urge the state's two members on the House Agriculture Committee, Republican Rep. Marilyn Musgrave and Democratic Rep. John Salazar, to continue the support they are already giving to these progressive reforms that will benefit Colorado farmers while protecting the state's environment." (Editorial, Denver Post, 5/23/2007)

Congress and Farming: "The Bush bill would encourage younger Americans to take up farming by providing access to credit, while also giving established farmers incentives to keep their lands in production and off the market to developers... Perhaps the most enlightened aspect of the Bush bill is the emphasis on so-called cellulosic ethanol made from such sources as switch grasses, corn husks and wheat chaff, rather than a strictly corn-based program. The emphasis on corn-based ethanol has driven up corn prices, and even at peak production would not be enough to fill future demands for fuel." (Editorial, Albany Times-Union, 5/13/2007)

Ending an addiction: "Instead of buying only American-grown food and shipping it across the globe -- with the food sometime arriving too late to do any good -- Johanns wants to use a quarter of the Food for Peace budget to purchase food in poor countries near the famine regions. Such a change would help bolster local farm economies and help poor nations avoid future famines. But the biggest prize would be a phaseout for subsidies of cotton, corn and other commodities." (Editorial, Sacramento Bee, 4/24/2007)

Washington Harvest: "All in all, some 38,000 'farmers' who reported AGI of more than $200,000 in 2004 received more than $400 million in federal farm subsidies, or about 5% of all farm program payments that year. Quite the sweet deal." (Editorial, The Wall Street Journal, 3/27, 2007)

End The Big Ag Subsidies: "The White House is taking a few steps in the right direction. The president's plan would make it harder for large, wealthy farms to receive government handouts. It would do this by lowering the highest subsidized annual income level from $2.5 million to $200,000. In the words of Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns, 'After $200,000, you should graduate from taxpayer subsidies.' In addition, the president's farm plan would limit a large agriculture corporation's ability to game the system by breaking into several, smaller entities to receive more subsidies. These are good ideas to ensure that federal assistance goes to the farming families that need it most." (Editorial, Chicago Tribune, 3/26/2007)

2007 Farm Bill: A commitment to rural America: "The Administration's 2007 farm bill proposals represent a reform-minded and fiscally responsible approach to supporting America's farmers and ranchers. The proposals continue this Administration's commitment to increase conservation programs that protect our natural resources and focus support on renewable energy that will help to lead us to the President's goal of reducing annual gasoline use by 20 percent in ten years." (Greeley Tribune, 3/21/2007)

A Bill Democrats Should Like: "...This is one administration program that the Democrats can and should support. (Rep. John Spratt) and other House leaders would be doing the environment, small farmers and the cause of free trade a great favor by embracing it." (Editorial, New York Times, 3/12/2007)

Farm Bill proposal is a good start: "Overall, the proposal is reform-minded and even a bit forward-thinking. It's a good start." (Rural Policy Research Institute, 3/8/2007)

Farm bill deserves a favorable look: "Congress should give favorable consideration to the legislation, which would authorize the nation's farm programs for the next five years. The measure would bring U.S. farm policy more in line with World Trade Organization rules." (Editorial, Kansas City Star, 3/4/2007)

The Future of Farming: "Mike Johanns, the secretary of agriculture, has unveiled his proposals for a new farm bill, which on the whole seems remarkably promising...The bill could also turn out to be one of the administration's more innovative energy initiatives. Implicitly recognizing that corn ethanol needs no more subsidies, it offers incentives to grow grasses that could be turned into another fuel called cellulosic ethanol." (Editorial, New York Times, 2/17/2007)

Bush's farm bill outlines bold moves: "Others have applauded the fact that the limits will get subsidies into the hands of those who need it most, and free up some money for other programs: conservation, rural development, incentives and help for new and young farmers, and alternative energy development." (Christian Science Monitor, 2/12/2007)

Bush's proposed farm bill would make U.S. agriculture leaner, cleaner: "As the public debate begins around a new federal farm bill for 2007, the Bush administration's proposal takes some good steps: reducing subsidies, encouraging development of biofuels and rewarding conservation." (Editorial, Columbus Dispatch, 2/11/2007)

Moving farm policy in the right direction; Bush administration offers a thoughtful farm bill plan: "The Bush administration's farm proposal, released on Jan. 31, is a good start on each front. Congress can improve on the details, but the blueprint developed by Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns is a serious, thorough effort to push farm policy in new directions...This plan isn't a radical overhaul of federal farm policy, but it's a realistic start toward admirable goals." (Editorial, Minneapolis Star Tribune, 2/10/2007)

Checks for gentlemen farmers: "An intelligent reform program proposed by President George W. Bush would rein in such absurdities...The Bush proposal would lessen the link between subsidies and the production of specific crops and pay farmers to prevent pollution and preserve wetlands and wildlife habitat. Commodity subsidies would drop by $4.5 billion, while conservation programs would gain $7.8 billion over 10 years. Ethanol production - a favorite investment among Missouri and Illinois farmers - also would get a boost." (Editorial, St. Louis Post Dispatch, 2/8/2007)

President Bush's new farm plan is better for trade and spending: "Mr. Bush's new farm plan would reduce subsidies and other agricultural programs by $18 billion over five years. Targets for cuts would include farm-loan programs challenged by other countries as illegal under world-trade rules. The president's plan also would cut off federal subsidies to farmers earning more than $200,000 a year. Under current law, farmers making up to $2.5 million a year can collect government handouts. While bringing down overall farm spending, Mr. Bush's plan would direct additional dollars to more worthy agricultural programs, including land conservation and alternative fuels. If it becomes law, the president's plan could jump-start international trade negotiations. Talks have stalled amid pressure for the United States to cut its subsidies." (Editorial, Orlando Sentinel, 2/6/2007)

Rep. Collin Peterson (D-MN) and Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA): "I was pleased to see that Secretary Johanns included some good ideas in his proposals, even though there are some areas where we disagree," said Rep. Peterson. "Today, we had the opportunity to engage in a good dialogue with Secretary Johanns and delve into the details of the USDA's farm bill proposal. One of the ideas warranting further investigation is the proposal to convert the current price-based counter-cyclical program to a revenue-based counter-cyclical program. We need to understand exactly how that might work and the implications for farmers and ranchers," said Rep. Goodlatte.

Boosting Conservation, Consolidation, Simplification, Coordination Help USDA Focus on Land: "Johanns' guidance on the department's recommendations seem clear -- in the simplified language and easier registration processes, in sensitivity to the protection of environmentally significant land and in the respect for input from farmers, ranchers and the public The secretary and his department have done their job well. If Congress goes along, the USDA's conservation programs will be stronger. And so will the land they protect." (Editorial, Omaha World-Herald, 2/2/2007)

For Farm Reforms to Succeed, Congress Must Stand Up to Ag Lobby: "The Bush administration has proposed legislation that would improve a flawed system of agriculture subsidies and cost taxpayers less money. The current farm aid program mostly benefits big agriculture operations, encourages overproduction and invites fraud, and the White House deserves credit for at least proposing to overhaul it." (Editorial, Atlanta Journal - Constitution, 2/5/2007)

Give Farm Policy a New Direction: "The administration plan takes an important step toward reform by eliminating some crop subsidies based on prices and replacing them with payments based on farmers' revenue." (Editorial, Wisconsin State Journal, 2/3/2007)

Farm Bill Could Wind Up A Sweet Deal For S.J.: "A massive overhaul of national farm policy is coming, and California - including San Joaquin County - could be a big winner." (Editorial, San Joaquin County Record, 2/2/2007)

Proposed U.S. Farm Bill "Historic": "Mike Wootton, senior vice president of Sherman Oaks-based Sunkist Growers citrus cooperative, called the bill 'historic.' 'For the first time, growers of specialty crops will have a significant place in the farm bill,' he said." (Los Angeles Times, 2/1/2007)

Proposed U.S. farm bill may benefit California: "In a potential windfall for California farmers, the Bush administration proposed a farm bill Wednesday that would boost spending for conservation, organic crops, and fruit and vegetable producers. 'This is not your grandfather's farm bill,' said Ken Cook, president of the Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit that tracks farm subsidies. 'For the first time, growers of specialty crops will have a significant place in the farm bill,' said Mike Wootton, senior vice president of Sherman Oaks-based Sunkist Growers citrus cooperative." (LA Times 2/1/2007)

USDA Outlines a Plan to Cut Farm Subsidies; Proposal Would Close Many Loopholes: "The Bush administration yesterday proposed ending farm subsidies for an estimated 80,000 wealthy individuals as part of a broad plan that would close loopholes and cut traditional farm programs by $4.5 billion over the next 10 years." (The Washington Post 2/1/2007)

Sen. John Thune (R-SD): "I like the direction they're going. That they're acknowledging that these program payments ought to be targeted to full-time family farm operations and not to the really huge conglomerate operations makes sense to me."

Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA): "The administration also brought forward a reasonable approach to conservation by focusing on the land that needs the greatest environmental benefits. Farmers should be allowed to put the most sensitive land into conservation and be allowed to farm the good land."

"Oxfam America, a trade advocacy group and frequent critic of the Bush administration, yesterday commended the administration for trying to move U.S. farm policy 'in a new direction.'" (Oxfam Press Release, 2/1/2007)

"Ducks Unlimited is encouraged to see the President's support of conservation in this Farm Bill proposal. The increased funding for conservation would provide meaningful gains for proven conservation programs that benefit farmers, ranchers, and waterfowl alike. The continued support for the Wetlands Reserve Program is a welcome indication of the President's commitment to a net gain of wetlands." (Ducks Unlimited, Press Release, 2/2/2007)

"This is not your grandfather's farm bill...I know there are a lot of folks in the subsidy lobby who'd like it to have been more of the same, but I think the secretary of agriculture and the Bush administration have planted the flag of reform." Ken Cook, President of The Environmental Working Group

"USDA's 2007 farm bill proposals are a positive step towards a more market-oriented farm program... The bill's proposals would help reduce market distorting trade subsidies and serves to demonstrate the administration's commitment to advocating agricultural policies that can hopefully lead to a successful completion of the Doha round of trade talks." The Grocery Manufacturers/Food Products Association

"We're extremely pleased with this kind of recognition of this portion of American agriculture, which is roughly half of U.S. crop agriculture. Finally the government and the Farm Bill recognize the place of specialty crop agriculture in the nation's agriculture policy, and that alone is a significant milestone." Tim Chelling, Western Growers Spokesman

"We are keeping an open mind about the administration's proposal and intend to give it full consideration." Bob Stallman, President of American Farm Bureau Federation

"We are greatly encouraged that the USDA will advocate the continuation of the dairy price support program. ... Our organization is still working on its own detailed proposals for the future of the price support program, and it's heartening to know that we appear to be on the same wavelength as the Agriculture Department when it comes to the need to keep this safety net program." Jerry Kozak, President and CEO of National Milk Producers Federation

"We appreciate the efforts of Secretary Johanns and USDA staff to develop such a thorough Farm Bill proposal. It will help spark an important dialogue as expiration of the 2002 Farm Bill nears and discussion begins in earnest on new legislation. ... I'm encouraged to see that the USDA proposal addresses a number of the issues we heard about from Nebraska farmers and ranchers during several listening sessions held here in our state." Greg Ibach, Nebraska Agriculture Director

"For the first time ever, there is a strong focus on fruit, vegetable, and nursery crops which now make up almost 55% of cash receipts in agriculture. ... USDA Secretary Mike Johanns had indicated that he intended for the next farm bill to more equitably distribute resources among all producers. He has made good on his promise to address the needs of all agriculture, including the small farmer." Charles H. Bronson, Florida Agriculture and Consumer Services Commissioner

"We were glad to hear the secretary heard from the countryside some of the same concerns that our members have been telling us - there are gaps in the current farm bill's safety net. ... USDA has obviously recognized the merit a farm bill such as NCGA's revenue-based proposal would have in providing a more effective and efficient farm safety net for producers." Ken McCauley, President of National Corn Growers Association

"Overall, specialty crops account for nearly fifty percent of domestic farm gate crop value, but receive very little consideration in the current farm bill. We applaud Secretary Johanns for his remarks today. We believe the Administration's farm bill proposals begin to focus the appropriate attention on specialty crops, and emphasize the importance of these crops to the economic well being of US agriculture." John Keeling, National Potato Council Executive Vice President And CEO And Co-Chair Of The Specialty Crop Farm Bill Alliance

"The 2007 Farm Bill proposals show the Administration's support of biotechnology in both industrial and agricultural applications. ... We greatly appreciate the Administration's demonstrated commitment to support companies researching and commercializing both ethanol from cellulose and biobased products from renewable agricultural resources. The proposals related to international trade illustrate the importance of internationally accepted regulatory standards, many of which affect biotech crops." Jim Greenwod, Biotechnology Industry Organization President and CEO

"Overall, we like what we hear and what we've seen, because it improves the funding for specialty crops and conservation." Leonard Blackham, Utah Agriculture Commissioner

"The industry is elated to be considered a major crop in the proposed 2007 Farm Bill... This will afford our industry more access to USDA programs, especially Phytosanitary and trade related support programs, due to the fact that 80 percent of our packed cartons goes to off shore markets." Doug Bournique, Indian River Citrus League Executive Director