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January 5, 2013

Hagel To Be Chosen For Defense Secretary.

Laura: Obama is going to pick Israel hater Chuck Hagel for defense secretary. Obama is open and brazen in his hatred of Israel. As you would expect, Zbignew Brzezinski supports Hagel. Brzezinksi is the guy who suggested we bomb Israeli planes out of the sky if Israel tries to take out Iran’s nuclear facilities. This is a really treacherous, evil being. Actually both are. All bets are off. Israel needs to annex and build in Judea and Samaria and bomb Iran.

President Barack Obama is expected to name Chuck Hagel ashis choice for defense secretary as early as Monday, as critics of the former Nebraska senator prepare to go to war to fight his expected nomination.

White House officials and sources close to Hagel declined to confirm to The Cable that Hagel is the president’s choice to be the replace Leon Panetta at the helm of the Pentagon, but several sources close to the process said have told The Cable that the White House and Hagel have been in touch on a regular basis and that Hagel is indeed the expected pick. Decisions about the timing and logistics of the announcement are being finalized now.

The Cable had previously confirmed that Hagel successfully complete the vetting process, as have Deputy Defense Secretary Ash Carter and former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Michele Flournoy.

Meanwhile, Hagel’s detractors are moving forward with their campaign against the nomination, which has been expanding ever since The Cable first reported in November that Hagel was in consideration for the Pentagon post. That campaign has included anonymous Senate aides calling Hagel an anti-Semite, theWashington Posteditorial board writing that, “Chuck Hagel is not the right choice for defense secretary,” and the Emergency Committee for Israel, which counts among its board members Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol, running a television ad criticizing Hagel’s opposition to unilateral sanctions against Iran. “For secretary of defense, Chuck Hagel is not a responsible option,” the ad claims. Continue reading

I do not think the appointment of Charles Hagel as US Secretary of Defense will significantly hinder Israel’s security or national interests, any more so than it will hinder the interests of the American homosexual community, whom he apparently attacked in one or more interviews and speeches when he was in the US Senate.

Actually, that is too bad from my point of view. I would prefer to see Israel in league with China, Russia, India and smaller nations such as the Kurds, Azerbaijanis and others. Some sort of event that will jolt Israel’s gutless governments back into reality need to occur before that is likely to happen.

With China as an outright ally, Israel could move full speed ahead in developing, possibly with Chinese capital financing, the updating of the Lavi fighter-bomber into a significantly more deadly 21st century version. It probably would be a lot less costly to produce than the now-aging aerial Cadillacs that US taxpayers must fund in order to keep this country’s military industries in business and with full employment.

As for Russia, we all understand now that Vladimir Putin — which means the whole Russian power establishment — regards Israel as another largely Russian-speaking state. And I have no doubt that Russia’s espionage network in 2013 is just as efficient its predecessors under the Imperial Russian government and the Soviet Union of Lenin, Stalin and their successors. It probably doesn’t sound too nice to western liberal Jews, but those are exactly the kinds of international assets that Israel needs in order to deal with the realities coming in the 21st century.

India? That’s a no-brainer. Hindu-controlled New Delhi regards Islamic Pakistan as its deadliest enemy, and both of them have nuclear armaments.

In any case, all of you know as well as I do that the dependence of Israel and the Jewish nation upon the USA, Canada, Western Europe and whatever is left of the English-speaking British Commonwealth must one day dwindle and be replaced with other international ties. I think that time is closer than ever. So let’s prepare for it with cool heads.

Bibi’s the fool that caused this. By hoisting the putz Romney on his shoulders during the Presidential campaign – Obama looked for payback and Hagel is it. If he could have nominated Pat Buchanan he would have. Hagel shares James Baker’s attitude :F***K the Jews! Thanks, Bibi!!

Obama was unfriendly to Israel and the long-term interests of the Jewish nation almost from the day he was inaugurated for his first term as US president. Nothing would have changed even if Netanyahu had mouthed off in favor of Obama, like most of the American Jews.

Israel and Zionism has survived all the predecessor US secretaries of state and defense since the 1940s. And why do you or anyone else seriously imagine it should it have been otherwise?

The interests of Israel and our Jewish nation never has been identical with the interests of the interests of the USA, and never can be; unless you rate more than I do the significance of Israel being the only democracy in the Middle East. If there were any merit in that argument, Uncle Sam would have broken relations with the Saudi monarchy and most of the other Islamic governments long ago.

But just the opposite occurred. Until recently, Israel as a source of petroleum and natural gas energy did not exist. So the West all but licked the anuses of the Arab monarchs and dictators, just to have assured access to that petro-energy at lowest possible cost.

Now we know this will be reversed, as Israel’s oil and gas fields come into production, and at the same time that the Saudi and other oil fields are going into depletion.

I would laugh about all this, but I’m saving my mirth for the sight of all the West licking the same part of the Jewish anatomy as was not beneath their dignity to do with the Arabs. All because I have a nice sense of irony, such as one finds in high quality German film dramas.

And yes, if there is real significance to the coming energy production in Israel and along its coast, we all may get to see just that. Because these bastards have no sense of honor or even decency, and because I have grown to despise the lot of them.

One day in the not-distant future, China will have a land-based air force larger than that of the United States. And now that the Chinese navy has built its first aircraft carrier, their will be many, many more to follow. For that purpose, they will be deploying a large number of aircraft suitable for carrier landings and takeoffs at sea. Which I know little about the technical details of these matters, I think there is no reason Israel’s aircraft designers could not build and test aircraft designed for naval purposes.

The Chinese navy one day will dominate the waters of the Southeast Asia, and, I think, of the Indian Ocean as well. Although in the latter case, it will expedient of them to share regional power there with India.

In any case, it is in Israel’s interest for her military armaments industries to be among the leading exporters of defense-related hardware. Firstly, there is a lot of money in that. Secondly, when other countries are dependent on your for their implements of war, as well as all or part of their petro-energy resources, they tend to treat you with a lot greater deference in the UNO and elsewhere in diplomatic circles.

But above all, I think China will be a greater power than the USA is now or will be in the future. That is a harsh reality brought about by the inexplicable decision-making of the US political and economic leadership circles over the past 40 years to de-industrialize this country and farm out significant parts of our manufacturing to China.

This is rapidly becoming a world in which countries that make mistakes such as that go the way of the late Roman Empire. Give up power, or walk away from it, and you never get it back. The real rules that govern life as ruthless, implacable and unavoidable.

I was born and raised here, and I loyally served the US Army for three years late in the Korean War period. But I cannot ignore the reality of the general decline of this once-great country. Nor do I see any evidence among the politicians, the economic ownership class, or the mass of consumers that this decay will be reversed. Everyone talks about all this. But I cannot escape the conclusion that nobody will do anything substantive about it.

The Chinese already possess their copy of the LAVI,apparently Israel sold them the plans.From washingtontimes.com
“Israel-China link Defense intelligence officials said this week that China’s new J-10 jet fighter was built with the help of Israel, under the U.S.-sponsored Lavi jet fighter program canceled back in 1987. “China’s J-10 program was assisted by engineers who worked on the Israeli Lavi program,” one defense official told Inside the Ring. “The J-10 and Lavi share many of the same design elements.” According to the officials, Russia also has helped with the J-10 program, helping Beijing to develop a new J-10 engine to replace the current one ? a Chinese copy of the CFM-56 jet engine developed jointly by General Electric and the French company Snecma. The J-10 was under development in secret for years but its deployment was only acknowledged by Beijing in January 2007. It is considered a fourth-generation fighter-bomber comparable to the U.S. F-16. The defense officials’ comments followed a report in Jane’s Defence Weekly stating that the J-10 is a close copy of the Lavi jet, and that Chinese developers had access to a Lavi prototype in Chengdu, where the J-10 was designed and built. Documents in Hebrew on the Israel Aircraft Industries jet also were observed by Russian engineers, the magazine stated. The Lavi was developed with $1.8 billion in U.S. aid to Israel. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld in 2005 sharply restricted U.S. military technology sharing with Israel over concerns about Israeli-Chinese military cooperation. The Israeli-Chinese J-10 cooperation involved “decades”-long exchanges between Russian, Israeli and Chinese aircraft developers, the magazine stated, quoting Russians involved in the program. The cooperation included extensive design and performance modeling, wind-tunnel testing and advanced aerodynamic design input. Richard Fisher, a specialist on China’s military with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said the J-10-Lavi cooperation “confirms the need for continued American vigilance to prevent military technology sales to China from Israel or any other ally.” “This is now a tragedy for the people of Israel and the United States, given the high chances that China will sell the J-10 to Iran,” he said, adding that Israel should fully disclose the extent of military cooperation with China, “a country that aids the enemies of Israel, and threatens America and many of its allies.” An Israeli Embassy spokesman said he is checking the report. A Chinese Embassy spokesman could not be reached. Chinese and Israeli officials in the past have denied any links between the J-10 and the Lavi”

From washingtontimes.com
“Israel-China link Defense intelligence officials said this week that China’s new J-10 jet fighter was built with the help of Israel, under the U.S.-sponsored Lavi jet fighter program canceled back in 1987. “China’s J-10 program was assisted by engineers who worked on the Israeli Lavi program,” one defense official told Inside the Ring. “The J-10 and Lavi share many of the same design elements.” According to the officials, Russia also has helped with the J-10 program, helping Beijing to develop a new J-10 engine to replace the current one ? a Chinese copy of the CFM-56 jet engine developed jointly by General Electric and the French company Snecma. The J-10 was under development in secret for years but its deployment was only acknowledged by Beijing in January 2007. It is considered a fourth-generation fighter-bomber comparable to the U.S. F-16. The defense officials’ comments followed a report in Jane’s Defence Weekly stating that the J-10 is a close copy of the Lavi jet, and that Chinese developers had access to a Lavi prototype in Chengdu, where the J-10 was designed and built. Documents in Hebrew on the Israel Aircraft Industries jet also were observed by Russian engineers, the magazine stated. The Lavi was developed with $1.8 billion in U.S. aid to Israel. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld in 2005 sharply restricted U.S. military technology sharing with Israel over concerns about Israeli-Chinese military cooperation. The Israeli-Chinese J-10 cooperation involved “decades”-long exchanges between Russian, Israeli and Chinese aircraft developers, the magazine stated, quoting Russians involved in the program. The cooperation included extensive design and performance modeling, wind-tunnel testing and advanced aerodynamic design input. Richard Fisher, a specialist on China’s military with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said the J-10-Lavi cooperation “confirms the need for continued American vigilance to prevent military technology sales to China from Israel or any other ally.” “This is now a tragedy for the people of Israel and the United States, given the high chances that China will sell the J-10 to Iran,” he said, adding that Israel should fully disclose the extent of military cooperation with China, “a country that aids the enemies of Israel, and threatens America and many of its allies.” An Israeli Embassy spokesman said he is checking the report. A Chinese Embassy spokesman could not be reached. Chinese and Israeli officials in the past have denied any links between the J-10 and the Lavi”@ ArnoldHarris:

“In any case, it is in Israel’s interest for her military armaments industries to be among the leading exporters of defense-related hardware. Firstly, there is a lot of money in that. Secondly, when other countries are dependent on your for their implements of war, as well as all or part of their petro-energy resources, they tend to treat you with a lot greater deference in the UNO and elsewhere in diplomatic circles. But above all, I think China will be a greater power than the USA is now or will be in the future.”

Granting even your each-&-every point, Arnold, I would still find it hard to see why this should necessitate Israel entering into an alliance with another large power, rather than going her own way.

Nothing, platforms don’t matter as much as the weapons systems and avionics and lastly competence of the pilots.

Let them sell all the platforms they wish more money for us and reduces the unit cost of our platforms. Do Americans worry about the F-16’s they sell?

Israel sold drones to Russia knowing full well the Russians would reverse engineer them and even sell them to our enemies same with Turkey. By the time the succeed we will have developed and deployed more advanced drones making their efforts largely obsolete.

Israel has developed a Kamakazi drone that travels one way no return as it’s a controlled flying bomb can hover around target for days and targets are controlled from the base via Sat. As long as you can stay one or two generations ahead of the competition there is not too much harm in selling almost to anyone. I can’t be sure but there might also be embedded in the drone software friend foe codes reducing their threats to Israel should they be used against us.

I’m not sure how important it is that Israel build its own advanced jets. Less than two years ago I raised the question of the Lavi cancellation, with a retired IAF general, and whether it was bad for Israel not to have a continuing source of advanced fighter aircraft or its own fighter program. He seemed to think it was not a big deal. He said the future was UAVs. This fellow was also a high official in Israel Aerospace Industries.

I’m a bit taken aback by the statement still, but it could be there are diminishing returns or diminishing value in fighters and in Merkavas as time goes on. Israel, with its nimble, innovative high tech abilities seems well-positioned to develop, adapt and exploit new technologies in warfare.

I’m not sure how important it is that Israel build its own advanced jets. Less than two years ago I raised the question of the Lavi cancellation, with a retired IAF general, and whether it was bad for Israel not to have a continuing source of advanced fighter aircraft or its own fighter program. He seemed to think it was not a big deal. He said the future was UAVs. This fellow was also a high official in Israel Aerospace Industries.

I’m a bit taken aback by the statement still, but it could be there are diminishing returns or diminishing value in fighters and in Merkavas as time goes on. Israel, with its nimble, innovative high tech abilities seems well-positioned to develop, adapt and exploit new technologies in warfare.dweller Said:

@ yamit82:

“The Chinese already possess their copy of the LAVI,apparently Israel sold them the plans.”

@ Eric R.:
A chinese Navy fleet has already been at port here in Haifa. All the ultra modern railroad works now in progress are with the Chinese. Al new military training aircraft are designed here and made by Israel and Italy. Israel has diversified military aircraft resupply of parts…
Israeli Navy surface vessels are not US made, German and soon Taiwanese and South Korean.
Last week the IDF removed from service the M-16 and replaced it with ultra modern Israeli TABOR rifles.
Battle tanks are Israeli made and engines not from the USA.
Drones are all locally made.

@ larry lunchpail:
I agree with Larry on this. People ought to think before advocating an alliance with the ruthless regimes of China and Russia. I know Arnold sees their ruthlessness as a positive, however that same ruthlessness could be used against Israel. Even when there is a hostile anti-Israel administration as we have now, at least it is balanced by Congress and the American people.

@ larry lunchpail:
And of course you are telling us that Soetoro does not sell billions of dollars of top grade weapon systems to the Saudis, Oman, UAE, Egypt, Iraq, (they just gave TWO navy warships to them. etc? Am I wrong?
Egypt just received confirmation of delivey, free, of 20 late model F-16’s. I assume to defend itself from South Sudan, right?
Does the US today truly support Israel? Expand on this please. Please spare me the votes while US Ambasadors were advising other countries to vote against us. I do recall the speeches by Rice and others.
The US denies Jewish rights in our ancestral capital, JETUSALEM, Lunch. Jerusalem was not ever set up by others after King David acquired absulute rights. Islam on its violent insolence stole Temple Mount and will be ejected from there.
The “Jewish lobby” in the US voted 70% in favor of Soetoro Obama widely known as a enemy of Israel. Does the name of Hagel sound familiar to you?
I know that “the grants” will pop next.
BS. Israel provides the US a vast ROI on that. And most never reaches us. It is used for US military goods payments. AKA pork funds. I know as a former ranking US Military systems expert.
No one other than the IB can rely on the present administration. Plain and simple.
Duplicitous settings are not longer accepted by the growing majority here.

Where’s Catamarin and Freyman telling us that Barry aka Ovomit is a friend of the Jews and Israel. By picking John Kerry the self-hater who morphed into an Irish Catholic and the former Navy guy who turned traitor as Secretary of State and RINO Chuckie Hagel, blatant anti-Semite and pro-Islamist as Secretary of Defense, Ovomit proved he didn’t move that far away from his Uncle Jeremiah, nor from his friends and others whom he’s hired (Power,Malley, Freeman, Gates, Panetta, Rice and Clinton) in the Jew-hating department.

All bets are indeed off. Israel should now take the necessary conclusions of this and nuke Tehran and the bomb sites – and then tell the Palestinians to take a hike. If Bibi chooses to continue to behave like an Israeli Boehner, then he too, needs a good reality check. Especially with this.

Ovomit can go to hell – and anyone who supports him can join him there. They won’t be missed.

Thank you both for the additional information you posted to this discussion. Yamit, I had not been aware of Israel’s opportunity a coupe of years ago to buy into the newest high-quality Sukhoi fighter-bomber, along with Russia and China. That aircraft comes at a considerably less expensive price tag than the all-too expensive junk Israel has been purchasing as part of Pentagon contracts to keep overpaid American aircraft builders solvent.

BD, your reminder is a good one that the age of manned combat aircraft may well be wearing down, along with the increasingly expensive battle tanks that dominated land warfare from 1939 onwards through the Yom Kippur War in 1973.

I’m old now, but not too old to learn to investigate and weigh fresh perspectives.