it's funny with the internet - that I ask a question and it's now just so easily answers with just so much information - great - and once a person knows it's there, the internet is always ready to be searched and found again....

it gives lots of confidence to a debate to have the backing of evidence.

Thanks Earl - you really do highlight the totally ridiculous and unbelievably silly 'logic' that simply doesn't add up - when you put it like that.....

I've confronted those of faith before on their believes and I am much more subtle than this - but they always go to saying that I have misinterpreted the bible, mis quoted or mis understood the meaning..... interesting arguments! LOL

Sorry Alice, I couldn't get much more involved in answering your question on 'intelligent design' yesterday... I was busy...

Religionists are resorting to 'intelligent design' to stave off the science of the fable, thst the book of genesis really is... Come on!!! The Earth is only 6000 years old? We know through scientific studies that the Earth has been traceable for billions of years.

My earlier comments about adam and eve were to focus on the inherent absurdities in the theory of genesis. Mainly evolution...

Religionists jumped on the 'intelligent design bandwagon' because they were hemorrhaging slaves\ err congregation... Think where where we would be today if the church had not persecuted those scholars of science in the dark ages.

Sure in primitive human history, when the sky rumbled- and they knew not why- god filled the gap... How pathetic of our ancestors...

My point specifically on genesis was, if the human cell was created by god- NOT EVOLUTION- then there was no need for the book of genesis. IT\god did not create dinosaurs- yet we have empirical evidence they were on this planet, then we just popped into existence hence 'intelligent design'... Negating the need of adam-eve, original sin, therefor making the book of genesis moot, and jesus christ- no original sin, no need for christ... The church made up original sin to protect it's placement in the sociopathic minds of religious sheep... Look what the catholic church did to the Templars, once they gained so much power... MURDERED every one they could find... That's where we get Friday the 13th... The day of the edict...

If you don't mind brutal honesty, I suggest you also join American Atheists.

@ Loren Miller's comment... He is VERY right... It is a bit confusing to find what you are looking for, if you don't know your way around the bible, or even able to navigate the bullshit... It is a good read and should be bookmarked... Thank you for bringing up such a good page Mr. Miller...

23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the LORD. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived. Lot and His Daughters 30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab[g]; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi[h]; he is the father of the Ammonites[i] of today. Footnotes:Genesis 19:14 Or were married toGenesis 19:18 Or No, Lord; or No, my lordGenesis 19:19 The Hebrew is singular.Genesis 19:19 The Hebrew is singular.Genesis 19:19 The Hebrew is singular.Genesis 19:22 Zoar means small.Genesis 19:37 Moab sounds like the Hebrew for from father.Genesis 19:38 Ben-Ammi means son of my father’s people.Genesis 19:38 Hebrew Bene-Ammon