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The story and idea behind it was amazing. I mean I love V for vendetta, watched it just last night, but no way is it better then the original Matrix. The thought behind it was so out there, the action scenes were amazing. It was like the most bad ass movie I had ever seen when it came out.

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The story and idea behind it was amazing. I mean I love V for vendetta, watched it just last night, but no way is it better then the original Matrix. The thought behind it was so out there, the action scenes were amazing. It was like the most bad ass movie I had ever seen when it came out.

It's not like a movie or story hasn't been based on something before. Iit just has something in common. I also wouldn't say its much better, I enjoyed the original Matrix a lot (don't like the sequels). I liked it a lot better than V for Vendetta as well. I didn't really like V.

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I don't see anything in the matrix that was amazing beyond the special effects. Took their idea from Plato, acting was mediocre and the plot was solid at best. again the action and S/E were cool and ground breaking, but that's it, everything else about the movie was mediocre to solid.

Some real underwhelming performances in The Matrix, I thought Keanu Reeves was especially shallow & uneven as NEo, but as noted here before Keanu is a very limited actor on many levels......

Underwhelming jobs performed here with one exception: Laurence Fishburne. He always gives great supporting performances well above what's expected. Same thing with Boys In The Hood & his performance as a South Central single father, he does his characteristic Fishburne Slow Burn of quietly building anger there just as in his masterful work in CSI where he took over from exec. producer William Petersen as the central character.

Fishburne is underrated, should have gotten a lot of the "black actor" leading man roles that went to Denzel or Cuba Gooding in the 80s & 90s IMO, he has never really had his shot at the headliner role until his CSI gig. He's come a long way since the 17-yr-old kid who lied about his age for the p/o Cleanhead in Apocalypse Now in '78-79.

It's not like a movie or story hasn't been based on something before. Iit just has something in common. I also wouldn't say its much better, I enjoyed the original Matrix a lot (don't like the sequels). I liked it a lot better than V for Vendetta as well. I didn't really like V.

I don't really hold a lack of originality against a movie, but the matrix was bland without idea of the matrix. It was cool visually, but that was it, V was at least epic and a nice dystopia and Speed Racer simply couldn't have been more cliche, which guarantees awesomeness.

BK

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

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It was intriguing when I read it, but the idea was presented more clearly and thus intriguingly by plato than it was by the matrix. At no point did I suggest that plato originated the story.

I don't really hold a lack of originality against a movie, but the matrix was bland without idea of the matrix. It was cool visually, but that was it, V was at least epic and a nice dystopia and Speed Racer simply couldn't have been more cliche, which guarantees awesomeness.

I dont know if I associate cliche with awesomeness, but Ill allow it. I would think if anything, The Matrix would be described as epic, while V would be associated more with thought provoking.

And while we are on the idea of you disliking The Matrix because it was not an original idea, lets pause for a moment and think about where V for Vendetta came from. It draws HEAVY influence from several important literary works, including Nineteen Eighty Four and several other prominent philosophers who dealt with the anarchy vs. fascism debate, and I would argue that it is less of an original idea then The Matrix was.

I understand that its your personal preference, but your argument that The Matrix is flawed because Plato used the idea first is pretty weak. And thats forgetting the obvious argument which can be made that the Greeks influenced a whole hell of a lot as far as art is concerned...as far as we know, the bastards invented comedy. Do we hold that against comedy films?

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I dont know if I associate cliche with awesomeness, but Ill allow it. I would think if anything, The Matrix would be described as epic, while V would be associated more with thought provoking.

And while we are on the idea of you disliking The Matrix because it was not an original idea, lets pause for a moment and think about where V for Vendetta came from. It draws HEAVY influence from several important literary works, including Nineteen Eighty Four and several other prominent philosophers who dealt with the anarchy vs. fascism debate, and I would argue that it is less of an original idea then The Matrix was.

I understand that its your personal preference, but your argument that The Matrix is flawed because Plato used the idea first is pretty weak. And thats forgetting the obvious argument which can be made that the Greeks influenced a whole hell of a lot as far as art is concerned...as far as we know, the bastards invented comedy. Do we hold that against comedy films?

That's not my argument at all, my argument is that the Matrix hinges far more on the novelty of it's plot and the ideas behind it, without that novelty I feel it falls far short as a film whereas V still stands strong even if you strip it of its message.

As for the clicheness of Speed Racer that movie makes being cliche awesome, that's pretty much the only way I can try and describe why I adore that film so much, it is easily my favorite Wochowski Bros film. It just takes it to the extreme and that makes it hilariously great.

BK

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JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham

Originally posted by abaddon41_80

Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.