I remeber this chart and another one where Battler is placed much much lower.
Which represent his powerlevel better and how effective is Endless 9? I remember Battler defending against big bangs and big crunches using Endless 9 but I'm not too sure.

The guy moves at the speed of plot just like Superman is as strong as plot, but he still gets beaten or challenged regularly by his rouges. They try to disguise it with things like "Anything he's challenged he was just holding back all along", but no that's just something cheap the writers like to draw with, and he wouldn't be holding back if the city is in danger in some visible way that he can solve by going faster. Besides the Flash who's known more for the pure feats rather than implied feats is currently non-existant, but it seems they are bringing him back

Not to say Barry isn't still good, but they really like to wank him on being "The absolute best, the origin of the speed force itself, the greatest" when last time the guy tried to travel into the past he ended up destroying three universes in the process. Meanwhile Wally outran the universe itself until he killed death, and brought his wife back to life in the same race.

It's been forever since I've reread all the Touhou fluff, but unless ZUN released another recent quote on character powers that people have latched onto, most of them have no business being that high.

A Touhou with a power like Flandre's being put around planetary level, sure. Reimu? No. And why Sakuya is is that much higher than Homu, if at all, legitimately confuses me when they do the same damn shit, except one of them doesn't use bombs.

>>100238114
So what. Those aren't very impressive abilities. He needs to be lowered.

Same for Giorno and Pucci. They're overrated way too much.They don't belong anywhere near the top. Giornio's GER ability was only shown once against an opponent who wasn't very strong and it shouldn't be used as a comparison for how GER would fare against cosmics. Likewise, Pucci's Stairway to Heaven wasn't invincible. He had trouble against time-stop, and was defeated by a weather ability. Pucci's greatest weakness is that still has a normal human body and he can die relatively easily if his body takes any damage.

>>100238172
Seems like there's too many Medaka characters trying to dominate the special bracket, and hard to say if Haruhi should really be in there either. Yeah she's reality warping, but most people on the list at least have a minor in that ability and it seems Yuki can even hack her.

Why is Nanoha on the chart, and Precia, an SS mage, isn't? Transdimensional lightnings, capable of damaging a huge spaceship, and teleportation of people between dimensions should put her high enough, I think.

It's ok, we sometimes have a few good people doing edits, those threads would be the ones to bring up and add new characters in. This thread is just a failure because people are making edits on their own whims

>>100236955>Battler could only stand against her because they were playing a game or red vs blue truths.
This also applies to Bern. She couldn't hurt Battler using magic and must use truths. Featherine specifically stated that Battler resisted the magic of the cats using Endless Nine.

I'll make changes where I want to make changes ( i.e. I have a decent grasp of those character's abilities) Much better than that one guy who's listening to fanboys bitching about their favorite characters not being high enough. Also, he fucked up by touching the Holy Trinity. Something, numerous anons told him not to do. Deal with it.

>>100242677
Then save all of them in chronological order.
But going with "the most up to date" is stupid and pointless as everyone will have differing opinions and there's not just one dude or group making the chart; it's individuals who put their own opinions and ideals into them.

See that weird hat they are wearing? It's Joe Harry, a hat containing all power of a being that created the omniverse in Yamibou. It was an omnipotent God called Adam, an obvious copy of Christian God. He created an infinite number of universes and multiverses and put them in books.

He then created Lilith to be even more perfect and powerful than him. Then they both created Eve to be even more powerful. Then Adam put all his power into that hat.

Joe Harry is now a symbol of the being being in charge of the infinite library of worlds.

>>100242898>LoN is the original creator of the multiverse in Slayers.
So is Kami tenchi>See that weird hat they are wearing? It's Joe Harry, a hat containing all power of a being that created the omniverse in Yamibou. It was an omnipotent God called Adam, an obvious copy of Christian God. He created an infinite number of universes and multiverses and put them in books.

Creating universes isn't that big of a feat in Tenchiverse, Washu had a COLLECTION of universes in a JAR. Zinv a MECH merged Universes with 2 LHWs. Kami tenchi created the Tenchi omniverse, while creating the Chousin who only HAD a vague idea of who created them until the end of the series.

> It's Joe Harry, a hat containing all power of a being that created the omniverse in Yamibou

You're only making an argument for the hat, also those gods aren't omnipotent, if someone was more powerful than them.

It seems that multiple anons are throwing the word Omnipotent without actually knowing what it means.

>>100243406>What if maximum power Alucard has cosmic-level powers?
Because it's never even hinted at. The ones in the special brackets are generally disproportionately endowed, circumstantial fighters, or NLF monsters. I suppose Alucard fits the first one.

>>100243088
I watched the video and Featherine said Endless 9.
I'm confused did the game master status power-up Battler (giving him Endless 9) or power-down Bern?
It can't be both and since Featherine said Endless 9 it had to be the former.

Hao Asakura is way too low on the chart. When he's the shaman king and controls the great spirit he can create super-novas and blackholes. I guess his rank is correct when he only has the spirit of fire but once he becomes the shaman king he gets dozens of times stronger

>>100244131>He IS the most powerful vampire to exist.
He's the most powerful vampire in Hellsing, where destroying buildings is about the most impressive destructive feat around. It took entire armies of vampires to take London, and the city itself didn't sustain crippling damage.
So yes, he should be that low. Big fish in a small pond, etc.

Except that' wrong. You made argument case for the hat, not for them. The hat is the sole reason they are even that powerful. You might well use the logic that because Thanos wields the HOTU, he's automatically stronger than all of Marvel except for TOAA.

>>100244243
I mean how do you compare blue laser attack #123 to red laser attack #527. Eventually you just have to admit you picked one over the other because it looked cooler or some other stupid reasoning.

>The god cards are really only something that people can use, they don't really act on their own

The god cards and friends are divine beings trapped in cards.

In theory, it IS possible to set them free, but it would have extremely devastating effects... Their rage would cause the destruction of pretty much a whole solar system (possibly even more if they remain enraged).

As for their powerlevel... Probably a little higher than Milleniummon (maybe even Sailor Moon).

>>100244336>You might well use the logic that because Thanos wields the HOTU, he's automatically stronger than all of Marvel except for TOAA.
To be fair, as long as he had it, he more or less was. He even took down the Living Tribunal with a bit of effort.

> It's Joe Harry, a hat containing all power of a being that created the omniverse in Yamibou. It was an omnipotent God called Adam, an obvious copy of Christian God. He created an infinite number of universes and multiverses and put them in books.>Then Adam put all his power into that hat.

>Joe Harry is now a symbol of the being being in charge of the infinite library of worlds.

>>100244476>In theory, it IS possible to set them free, but it would have extremely devastating effects... Their rage would cause the destruction of pretty much a whole solar system (possibly even more if they remain enraged).

So basically there's some fan theory they are super strong but in reality they are just small pieces of paper with some holographic foil.

>>100244476>something went to space>a whole solar system
Nigga, a bunch of people in the midrage could fuck up entire galaxies. They would be no higher than Alucard. They would be completely worthless when compared to everything above him.

Is Tenchi really that powerful? I've only seen bits and pieces of Tenchi Muyo on Toonami but I never caught on. He looks so...plain and boring, and from what I can see it looks like there's some haremshit and I don't like that.

Also,>mfw Saitama is the only one in that list that is purely physical

>>100244476>Their rage would cause the destruction of pretty much a whole solar system (possibly even more if they remain enraged).
Fine.>As for their powerlevel... Probably a little higher than Milleniummon
Okay, Imma have to stop you there. There are some discrepencies here, namely that you're putting characters who might be above solar system level above multiversal level characters. It doesn't add up. If what you say is true, then they'd be above Goku, maybe Bills as well. Higher than that and you're getting towards galaxy and universal level.

>>100244224
Regardless, Featherine has to be referring to Battler's magic resistance when she mentioned Endless 9. Otherwise why would she use the term?
If this is true then I can conclude that Endless 9 magic resistance > Bern's magic.

> You have no idea what the fuck an omnipotent is> You're throwing the word omniverse around so you can make Yamibou appear to be more powerful than anything on the list> You knitpick

>>100244863
Technically speaking, when you're talking about the Omniverse you're talking about ALL fictions not just said fiction's-verse. And for the record, jackass I'm addressing the fact that there are idiots throwing the word around, claiming their fiction's verse has an Omniverse.

Battler originally had in on the game board because he rejected the existence of any magic.

In the case of the final duel Endless 9 is active for both Bern and Battler because of Game Master authority on the game board. Basically, there is a duel between GM Bern and GM Battler and no outside force is allowed to interfere.

>>100244934
Broly was able to shit on galaxies with ease in his first incarnation.
First time we see Vegeter, he could blow up planets without effort.

Pretty sure that Goku at the level he's on at the latest movie or GT would be able to run around and blow up galaxies, seeing how many, many times more powerful he is than Broly and early Vegeta at that point.

>>100245114
Goku in the latest movie was shit. He was far from impressive. Hell the fight with Bills wasn't even on Goku vs Cell level. If anything he got a huge speed and strength boost but we've never seen Goku us a Kamehameha on such a large scale as to wipe out an entire Solar System (unless they were all lined up for him to blast).

As far as I know the "trapped" God cards are much weaker than their "free" forms. I think this was stated somewhere, they did this to limit what the God cards could do (under the command of individuals).

>>100245272>Unrestrained Yuki is that broken, read the LNs. Normal Yuki isn't on this list
Even if she's above max Haruhi, that's only low-multiversal level at best. She certainly shouldn't be above people who handle innumerable universes, like Noein and Haruka.

>>100245439>Queen Serenity Sailor Moon is a universe buster.
Then it's still an error. She's above multiversals, which is blatantly wrong. I'm pretty certain Anti-Spiral/Pucci is the baseline for universe busters.

>>100245085
If Endless 9 means perfect magic resistance then what Featherine meant by "no outside interference" is no magic can interrupt Bern and Battler no matter how powerful correct?
I'm also concluding that Endless 9 came with the GM status.

>>100245409
Saitama as shown in the manga is all brute force. He's basically human taken to extreme physical levels, that's it. The One-Punch thing is just a running gag that Saitama is bored that all his fights aren't exciting because he kills things with one punch. Which is why he does get excited when Boros and Garou both take multiple blows to finish off.

Based on what we've seen, Saitama is planet buster tier at best. Anyone that says otherwise is power wanking way too much.

>>100245783
Touhous are almost entirely NLFs. Most would go into low-mid tier, the more powerful ones in mid tier, based on actual performance. If you were paying attention, you'd notice that most of these charts already have several Touhous on them.

Once again, you have no idea what it means. You cannot be ABOVE omnipotence, ever. Get it through your head. >Demonbane does exactly that

No he fucking doesn't. Authors throw omnipotence around like they throw the phrase "as fast as light" or "Faster than the speed of light" like brochures. Stop trying to wank your fiction so it can be at the top, because it's not going to happen.

>>100245955
Not the other guy, but that's not how it works. There is nothing above omnipotent, and there never can be. An omnipotent being could probably make something that's CLOSE to omnipotent, but if there's something above an omnipotent being, he is not omnipotent.

>>100245783
I wouldn't put most 2hus very high, especially for people like Remi where the extent of her power is left purposely ambiguous. The highest you could probably get are people like Yukari and Flandre who have pretty ridiculous off-screen powers spelled out.

A lot of Touhous currently on the list seem too damn high anyways. Sakuya has never exhibited more firepower than Homura's modern day weaponry. Reimu's invincibility doesn't really seem relevant when this list seems to be mostly based on firepower and universe-fucking potential.

>>100245783
I wouldn't put most 2hus very high, especially for people like Remi where the extent of her power is left purposely ambiguous. The highest you could probably get are people like Yukari and Flandre who have pretty ridiculous off-screen powers spelled out.

A lot of Touhous currently on the list seem too damn high anyways. Sakuya has never exhibited more firepower than Homura's modern day weaponry. Reimu's invincibility doesn't really seem relevant when this list seems to be mostly based on firepower and universe-fucking potential.

>>100246203
Think of stars to galaxies.
There's stars that compose a galaxy, a galaxy that composes a chain of galaxies, a couple of chains of galaxies composing a sector of galaxies, and a few of those to make a universe.
Same thing.

>In Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, the Sacred Beasts are legendary creatures whose cards were sealed by Kagemaru underneath Duel Academy behind the Spirit Gates, which requires seven Spirit Keys to open, as he could not unlock their power at the time. Should they ever be set free from their stronghold, chaos and darkness will envelop the world, destroying everything

>chaos and darkness will envelop the world, destroying everything>destroying everything

Again, we don't know the real extent of their powers, but that description sounds quite "fearsome", doesn't it?

>>100246360
I gathered that. What I meant was how much that extends. How many multiverses are there in a megaverse, how many universes are in said multiverses.and so forth. And who does it even apply to.

>>100247070
Again with this shit.
It doesn't matter if you call it metaphysical plane or Sea of Kakera, they're simply in another dimension cut off from the reality. Before you start talking about them living between multiverses or them granting wishes tell me if they have ever done something useful in the real world. Their version of how things went isn't reliable.
Face it: they're either witches that have nothing to do with our world, like Epicurean's dei, or fictional characters made by an author.

>>100247393
I even wrote it because I knew you would say it.
They did, albeit by their pieces, according to their explanation, but in fact it was Takano, a human being, who did everything, not Lambda, a fucking witch.

>>100247451>Multiversal? Where is it stated Akasha is more than a universal record.
On the basis that their a multiple to possibly infinite alternative universes in the Nasuverse, as demonstrated by the 2nd magic and settings that branch from others, like KnK/Tsukihime and FSN/Extra, etc. The fact that Akasha lets the MEoDP function in the worlds of KnK and Tsukihime alone proves that it holds influence over more than one universe at least.
And being isn't the right word, more like multiversal law.

He's not. Reinforce had enough firepower to destroy a city with one spell. Nanoha was able to tank her attacks. As a 10 year old kid.

Negi may arguably be faster, but nobody in his setting has magical shields even close as powerful or a comparable firepower. Besides, Fate is capable of lighting speed movement and Nanoha can deal with her fine.

>>100247608>They did, albeit by their pieces, according to their explanation
You aren't even trying to get what I'm saying right?
I got Lambda helped Takano and Rika was Frederica's pieces, but that's according to their version.
What truly happened according to Takano and Rika is simply one of them being the villain while the other remembers the other timelines, but that's all. No superpower or anything else.
That's because witches are cut off from the reality, even if according to them they can alter it.

Call me retarded but isn't Myuugi from Aselia the Eternal? The powerlevels never seemed that high to me, granted I only got a third of the way in before I dropped it because rage-inducing gameplay and shit characters.

>>100248879
She is. The powerlevel of the the series (including 2nd game and fandiscs and info from material book) is very high, but not at the very top. Whoever added her has no idea what he's doing when he placed her at the top. And this is coming from the guy who originally added Narukana and Nozomu in the first place.

>>100249432>Hey I'm the strongest, trust me!
They should be in special-tier, because you can't quantify their power. You can't even compare them to real characters. Put them with Nabeshin and end of the story, there's a reason if Japs never talked about them in powerlevel charts.

>>100250144>homura at the top
Stop putting your fucking waifu at the top you troll.

She belongs in the special tier since her powers are a portion of Madoka and she can only remove the memory of Madoka and nothing else.
Everything else that was changed was by Madoka's law changing in relation to her consciousness not being present and remembered.

>>100250291>This actually happened to her when a bunch of gods got erased when they thought about attacking her.

Except this is pretty fucking common when you get to the high tiers so it shouldn't be a valid argument. The size of the fiction is what matters at this point. And I guarantee you, once someone reasonable figures out the sizes of the fictions, all of those "supposed" top tiers will drop to mid tier.

>>100245117>He seems to have trouble with this lately. Boros and Garo both lasted longer than a single punch.

He mentioned that Garou seemed a little stronger than the usual nothings he faced, but it was hard to tell since he was still so far above that fighting Garou was the same as fighting anyone else so far.

He's just gotten a bit better at holding back lately so it feels like a real fight. Still the inflection was that he was just as bored battling this guy as all the others, but he could almost tell he was a little better than normal. Not that he's close to Saitama's level at all here, but more like he's a super fly among regular flies.

>>100250681
Simply saying ''she's a god'' means nothing.
She says she only took a small portion of Godoka's power, she's a reality warper with unknown powers and doesn't have any power other than being able to erase memory of Madoka.

She's simply a law, like Godoka, which is why she belongs in the special tier.

>>100250541
It's not like I have to ask him directly but whatever.>>100249956
Put umineko's characters together with Nabeshin in special-tier, they are uncomparable to the usual characters in the chart.

>>100250728
Umineko characters can simply come back to life by thinking. And their powers are OP as fuck.

>>100250843
Yeah but they fight which would place them somewhere in the chart.
It's not like they have powers that is special enough not to be fought like Shiki or anyone else in the special tier.

I get your grudge with the Witches in Umineko but there's honestly no where to put them except either completely removing them, causing a shitstorm, or putting them in the special tier where they don't belong.

Because it seems to me like AT Fields and Spiral energy rely on very similar mechanics (manifestation of soul/innerstrength and whatnot), so Rei, Eva 01, TTGL, and Anti-Spiral should all be in roughly the same position on the X-axis.

No seriously, he fucks up everyone's lives in the anime/manga and almost succeeds in ruling the world if it wasn't for Tenma. Johan is so fucking good at what he does that they never managed to catch him, he escaped.

He's like the baby from that movie.. What was it called... You know, that movie where a demon baby takes advantage of her "parents'" high position and is implied to have ended up ruling over the world in the end?

>>100250916
He's special-tier. Umineko witches are even more difficult to quantify, because of the lack of humour quality.>>100250859>Believing metashit
The Rikka and DARK FLAME MASTER are as powerful as them right?

>>100250988
Zeed casually destroys and creates universes, exists outside of time-space, entire dimensions and realities are dependent on his existence to exist.

>>100251175
GER is not about destructive power though. It could nullify those attacks however, considering its not bound to time or space, without actually doing anything like we saw with how Diavolo's King Crimson erases and skips time.

>>100250977>Yeah but they fight which would place them somewhere in the chart.
It's not like they have powers that is special enough not to be fought like Shiki or anyone else in the special tier.

I get your grudge with the Witches in Umineko but there's honestly no where to put them except either completely removing them, causing a shitstorm, or putting them in the special tier where they don't belong.
They fight against each other in a fucking meta-plane, as far as you know it's a story made up by Aurora and the author. I don't give a damn about them, it's simply ridiculous to see them up near real monsters like Demonbane or Tenchi.
Haven't you ever wondered why Japs never drag them in? Because it's dull and baseless.
You want to put them? Fine, but then Nabeshin is as strong as them,

>>100250456>Added a few different characters but the only controversial right now is Reimu being places a bit higher or so.

Anon who asked about this placement up near the top of the thread here.

I'm still legitimately confused as to why she and Sakuya aren't near the bottom of the chart. Neither of the two have been shown or said to be able to destroy cities and shit like a lot of the people below them. Arcueid is sandwiched between or right next to them on these charts and neither have ever come close to pulling some of the bullshit she did.

Hell, I wandered into some /jp/ 2hu powerlevel thread a month or two back and neither came up very often at all. The only reason I can think of is the shit people bring up about Reimu being able to channel gods with training or whatever, and we have no idea what that's actually capable of on the higher end.

>>100251175
GER can reality warp, put people into infinite death loops, nullify and put zero on the value of abstract concepts like reality, time-space, willpower, etc...

When it did all of that against Diavolo, it technically "did not exist" since the present universe was temporarily erased by King Crimson's time erase. It was capable of retroactively returning things back to the origin point before Diavolo did anything, while it was non-existent and Diavolo was in an alternate dimension.

GER isn't really about power like the other anon said, pure brokenness. Hence why even its stand info card reflects it.

>>100250291
You're wanking too hard. Stop it. There's only one true God in ESS and that's the Singular Shinken, below that are the three Cosmic Balancers, then below them are the rank 1 shinkens who were born from the Cosmic Balancers. Myuugi belongs to.the group of rank 1 wielders. So, she's not the most powerful in the series at all.

Since the Cosmic Balancers are in fact the Singular Shinken divided into 3 parts, then only they can be said to be embodiment of existence itself. All the other shinkens from 1 to 9 are either born from one of the Cosmic Balancers or are born from other shinkens of the 1st to 3rd rank.

>>100251175
GER has almost no destructive power, the closest thing it has to attacks are an ability that saps the will out of the opponent so they can only be frozen while the proceeding hits comes at them, and regular punches and kicks that can break at least concrete or maybe steel.

GER is mainly the ultimate shield, but if it does manage to kill you then you're stuck in an infinite loop of infinite deaths that can never be escaped or broken.

>>100251868
Correction: GER has no direct offensive power and its abilities are not centered around beating or blowing shit up to pieces.

But the fact it can reality warp on a very high scale and with its specific power to nullify and reduce the value of actions, concepts, and whatever else it targets to zero makes it pretty damn broken.

This discussion is stupid. Evidence is the "Special Tier" box, where are placed all those characters you don´t know where fucking put ...

The anime and manga, as a rule, doesn´t have to file a logic in the power hierarchy even within the same story. How can you pretend to create a definitive chart that hosts all the characters of all the series?

The only real power is what I call the "power of the plot writer," where the author has full authority to make strong the weak and reduce to ashes the weak. Everything else is an empty discussion

She would be placed in the Special Tier if she belongs anywhere.
Thought I'm not really sure if she can qualify.
Bobobooobobo was sort of a fighter so he barely qualified, still wonder if he should be removed or not.

>>100252627
I just went to reskim the Touhou fluff and checked the wiki in case they got some new powers recently or some shit. I see nothing that justifies Reimu and Sakuya being that high.

If the argument for them is actually just entirely fanwank theory posts, I'd move Sakuya down to a little below Homura. It's ridiculous that timestop + throw knives is that much higher than timestop + throw some fucking bombs, or even higher at all.

Reimu should probably just get off the list, or just get shoved into special if people are going to be that fussy about her potential ability to channel gods.

I guess I'd argue that TTGL should be one pixel above the Anti-Spiral instead of the other way around, but that's just my OCD speaking.

>>100253432
It's >>>/v/ so no.
Unless the game was based on the anime, I'd agree but it isn't the case.
If that were the case, I'd bring in all the X-men in this shit since they too have anime which is based on the comics and here come >>>/co/ to ruin the fun.

>>100253440
I placed the Anti-Spiral a pixel above STTGL because of people who said that the Anti-Spiral had to lower themselves to fight and I just wanted to fuck with people's OCD like that.

Can't be bothered to fix all of them, so I only fixed some of the more glaring mistakes.

Tenchi is the only confirmed true omnipotent. The others near him either approach it or are simply just very, very, very powerful in a grand cosmic scale. Fanboys need to just deal with that fact. And Featherine is the pretty much the author, though I'm considering that she be moved to special tier.

>>100253664
The issue with Featherine is that she isn't the author.
Although she's an obvious self-insert of the author, she actually her own character in the series and not some random person with godlike powers who can do whatever he/she wants.

Breaking the entire world, Recreating it from Scratch and altering it to her will , time control while using her powers, she created a time loop and kept killing Touma Over and Over again for about 1.5 years - 2 years (about 10k+ deaths). While also being the strongest Mage in the world on top of being a Real God (Odin [first real god shown in the series]).

Just that from the spoilers we got. There is alot more apparently but we don't have the Raw's yet just the summary

>>100250214
Seconding this, reality warping with delusions and Di-sword which makes it easier to reality warp and can cut through most things if I remember right. Would be mid-low tier though. Limiter for gigolomaniacs is kind of unknown though.

Also, why are so many people in Special Tier? Isn't that reserved for people with powers that would negate other character's powers, or are just unclear? Shiki and Touma make sense. Akuma Homura on the other hand, doesn't. Neither does Medaka. Neither does Haruhi, really. Why aren't those character's properly ranked?

Homura is my waifu and I still don't think she's a super special snowflake. I think she should be ranked around TTGL.

>>100254817
An absolute chart can't exist if it isn't made up by the author, but at least you can compare characters with similar powers. What's the point of comparing Tenchi and Demonbane when both of them are the strongest in their relative universer?

>>100253610
I really don't think that justifies her being raised for the same reasons as Reimu and the power to channel gods, though. ZUN gives plenty of people some vagueish offscreen powers that sound OP as fuck on paper like "nomming history" but doesn't care much to go into detail about them or their limitations. Yukari is acceptable because he actually went slightly more in-depth for once and added all sorts of shit to her entries like "Oh, yeah, her power lets you flip the fucking horizon upside-down, have fun."

As people said above about Alucard, we're can't move him higher just because he has unspecified boundaries. Presumably Accelerator wouldn't be where he is if all we knew was "He can fuck with physics to some degree." We can safely place him because we've actually seen or gotten explicit fluff about what that entails.

Granted I haven't followed any of the recent 2hu manga, so if Sakuya has actually been opening up distortions in space on people's faces and instagibbing them recently, I'll withdraw my statements. Otherwise, we probably shouldn't be guessing high about these powers. I mean, for fuck's sakes, I've seen the pastas about how Cirno can destroy the world with her power and we're not taking that seriously...

>>100254874
She's the leader of Law, one of the two main organizations in the series. What we know is that most Law Eternals who went from ally to hostile attacker/enemy due to greed were obliterated from existence already. Those who survived only survived because they took hostile actions against her.

>>100255032
Nah m8, its not even like that. The only thing known about Aleister's level is that he was the greatest magician ever. That's an incredibly vague and meaningless statement by itself, and we know even less about Aiwass, only that his magic is of a different aeon from Aleister.

>>100255176>LN is fine
But technically /jp/ material as the source work.>2hu is /jp/ and is also liked by /a/
So you admit its not /a/ but /a/nons like video games, especially Japanese ones a lot but that's not okay? Nice double standards.>VN's too
/jp/ material and not /a/.

>>100255845
Just fuck off already. Ask /v/ to make a chart if you want him that bad.
Everything is fine so long it's anime related.
Having Dante in using ''he's in an anime and has the same shit as the video game'' is just using video game as a crutch to get him in.

2hu is debatable which is why I only added Reimu whom defeated most of the cast so no one else was added.

>>100254588
People in special tier are people who can't be placed.
You're bias with Homura because she's your waifu when we honestly don't know much about her source of power (Godoka already being in the special tier) and her powers shown only relate to what she stole from Madoka.

To even place her in the chart is shit imo since she honestly don't even belong.

Everyone else in the special tiers are those that cannot be fought normally or fight under special conditions.

Medaka was to shut everyone up about her placement.
Higher or lower than Goku mostly, so fuck it and placed her in the special tier and everyone is fine with it.

>>100248267
Just rewatched the remake movies and StrikerS and nowhere in there did Fate move at the literal speed of lightning.

Raw destructive power aside (wherein I'm more than willing to believe Nanoha wins with Buster 4 or whatever it's called), Negi would utterly buttdevastate her and Fate at the same time in a serious fight.

Not low enough, man. Tenchi should be noticeably higher he is the only real omnipotent. You know what, just copy the top part of >>100253664, even if you don't like the other edits in it. At least the top part is accurate enough.

>>100256772
He can fly in Super Saiyan 2 just fine, else Chachamaru and them would really have died.

Considering that Nanoha's an anime before it was a manga, I'm only using the anime as reference (and the movies to a degree). If we start going into rewrites, we just walk down the road of Marvel and DC adding all sorts of bullshit that no one wants.

Given that, lighting speed + shields having cast times = Negi wins. If you can argue beyond that with the Nanoha anime vs the Negima manga, I'm all ears. If you're not, I'll have to get down and read some terrible, terrible stuff before finally getting to BetrayerS again.

>>100256306>2hu is debatable which is why I only added Reimu whom defeated most of the cast so no one else was added.

2hu is actually canonically magic paintball, though. The entire purpose of the in-game battles with most of the cast is to avert actual fights and compete with the art and beauty of danmaku or whatever the fuck else was included in the spell card rules. Hell, apparently Reimu/the player using continues is also canon.

Still stand by them being ranked pretty damn low - again, nowhere is it implied that any but a handful of 2hus can city bust.

and yeah we should probably move shinigami out of there at some point

>>100256641
To be fair, general placings seem to be based more on raw destructive power than actually beating someone else in a fight. Homu is rock bottom of the list and could probably just timestop-headshot and kill a lot of the lower half who aren't Alucard/Arcueid/Kissshot/other guys with regeneration cheat codes.

>>100257090
No, the CB are stronger. They can't enter their own multiverse or any of the other CB's multiverse without destroying it. That's why they send down avatars of themselves. Aselia holds one CB avatar and her daughter holds another avatar. But since these avatars are asleep or not fully awakened, they can't be used to scale power yet.

Naruakan without wielder is going to be weaker than a rank 1 wielder who can draw out a shinken's full power. But it's clearly suggested that she's the strongest if she there's a wielder who can draw out all her powers. Nozomu in the fandisc is an incomplete High Null Eternal, so he's already nowhere near full power. Plus, what was really kicking his ass was the null mana that kept trying to annihilate him out of existence, which he kept on trying to struggle against.

>>100257311
You're the guy who kept saying Adam was omnipotent, but then he made Lilith to be above him, then both made Eve. Omnipotent just doesn't work that way. At best they're above the Chousins who are nigh omnipotents, but none of them are real omnipotents.