For what reason would the order from Sony not be about double of MS when they sell about double?

So since you know they won't change supplier they can have an agreement signed with volumes even if the specifics of the HW isn't defined and immutable.

Well, look at the launch of the current gen. Xbox One sold well! Really well! It was the 3rd highest launch ever at the time (if memory serves) in spite of them absolutely butchering their reveal and Sony's more capable, cheaper machine and all the good will in the world.

They could have killed a puppy live on YouTube and would have been applauded. In spite of this, ps4 didn't double xbox during the launch window.

Sony isn't going to have that luxury next generation. While they're very likely to sell more next generation, it isn't written in stone. AMD would be fools to back one horse over the other when they already have both in their pocket.

Both consoles where sold out during launch and until new years. Would they had more stock then we would have seen the ps4 more than double the x1. Also remember the ps4 launched in more markets so that alone would have given them a big plus. Also remember the x1 was readily available after the holidays in jan. The ps4 was still sold out for the next few months. The demand was way higher for the ps4 but the stock was not available.

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For what reason would the order from Sony not be about double of MS when they sell about double?

So since you know they won't change supplier they can have an agreement signed with volumes even if the specifics of the HW isn't defined and immutable.

Well, look at the launch of the current gen. Xbox One sold well! Really well! It was the 3rd highest launch ever at the time (if memory serves) in spite of them absolutely butchering their reveal and Sony's more capable, cheaper machine and all the good will in the world.

They could have killed a puppy live on YouTube and would have been applauded. In spite of this, ps4 didn't double xbox during the launch window.

Sony isn't going to have that luxury next generation. While they're very likely to sell more next generation, it isn't written in stone. AMD would be fools to back one horse over the other when they already have both in their pocket.

We are talking about a 2 year window and you want to look at a 2 month window?

Sony sold much more than MS from the very begging, and PS5 would do the same. Sony can easily have a contract obeying they average sales for the 2 year period (which would be over 30M) while MS can't, they never got anywhere near the numbers. Unless console landscape changes a lot (which you seem to be determined to believe because of reasons) Xbox next will sell about half of PS5.

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Also remember the ps4 launched in more markets so that alone would have given them a big plus.

Can we, once and for all, forget this bullshit?

It is neither Sony nor Microsoft that sells consoles to end users. It's shops. And there were/still are shops all over the world that sold/sell those. Regardless of whether Sony or Microsoft have an office in a particular country. Given that PS4s were actually sold out in the initial weeks in many European markets, there actually were MORE markets the XBox1 was available than the PS4.

Also remember the ps4 launched in more markets so that alone would have given them a big plus.

Can we, once and for all, forget this bullshit?

It is neither Sony nor Microsoft that sells consoles to end users. It's shops. And there were/still are shops all over the world that sold/sell those. Regardless of whether Sony or Microsoft have an office in a particular country. Given that PS4s were actually sold out in the initial weeks in many European markets, there actually were MORE markets the XBox1 was available than the PS4.

If xbox offers something nobody wants, then no matter what a store does, it wont sell, so yes its up to them to make a good product that will sell. Putting garbage on a store will mean nothing. And to your second point the ps4 was sold out. Wich means people wanted one and could not get one anymore. The xbox 1 was not, meaning there where xbox's but nobody wanted them. How can you not grasp the concept off supply and demand. So where there more ps4 available, more would sell, where there more xbox available the same number would have sold.

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Amd wont have anything matching the 2080 untill 2020 for $500. Who knows about the 2080ti.

The 2070 match will be $330. Navi 10 with 56 compute units. will come out third Q of this year. Could this be the one in the ps5? At that price? Its still a whole year before the ps5 actually uses it. And we have to remember that sony will be getting them much cheaper.

So this scales down the rumors. Like permalite said before. Seems like Amd is still ways behind. Nvidea just has to update the rtx line to 7nm and Keep their big advantage in both power and tdp. But seems like AMD will still have a better price for performance.

I for one think we are getting at least 2070 performance on the ps5. After all, $500 ps5 seems to be likely. Who knows about the anaconda. Could be $600 with 2080 performance. But will that matter? I dont think nnext gen us casual gamers wont be able to tell. We already go by what Digital Foundry tells us.

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Well, look at the launch of the current gen. Xbox One sold well! Really well! It was the 3rd highest launch ever at the time (if memory serves) in spite of them absolutely butchering their reveal and Sony's more capable, cheaper machine and all the good will in the world.

They could have killed a puppy live on YouTube and would have been applauded. In spite of this, ps4 didn't double xbox during the launch window.

Sony isn't going to have that luxury next generation. While they're very likely to sell more next generation, it isn't written in stone. AMD would be fools to back one horse over the other when they already have both in their pocket.

We are talking about a 2 year window and you want to look at a 2 month window?

Sony sold much more than MS from the very begging, and PS5 would do the same. Sony can easily have a contract obeying they average sales for the 2 year period (which would be over 30M) while MS can't, they never got anywhere near the numbers. Unless console landscape changes a lot (which you seem to be determined to believe because of reasons) Xbox next will sell about half of PS5.

Of course I am... The sales are going to be massive at launch of both for both of these machines. PS5... Simply because it's PlayStation and xbox for the reasons I mentioned above. It'll be a significant chunk of the consoles sold in the first 2 years.... And set the tone of how well they're likely to sell against one another.

Of course ps4 outsold the xbox one... I just stated very good reasons as to why in the post you replied too... Any company puts out a product with that many missteps is bound to be outsold no matter the market.

The landscape HAS changed. Look at the Switch. A hybrid console is taking names... Iterating consoles now exist too, it's looking like at least one of them will launch with multiple skus and Ms are making all the right moves to make some ground back next generation. Google is coming with Stadia... There's Psnow and Gamepass... Though, again... I'll agree that the PS5 is going to sell quite a lot more than the neXtbox.

The leak is based from the youtuber adoredtv which I deemed fake long ago, here's the full lineup:

Funny thing about this lineup it matches the next-gen consoles very nicely. Take the R5 3500g and disable 2CU's for better yields and clock it at 1,8ghz and you get 4,1 Teraflops which is a very good fit for Xbox lockhart, Navi 12 with 4CU's disable clocked at 1,8ghz adds to 8,3TF and matches the rumored PS5. And than the last Navi 10 at 48CU's clocked at 1,95ghz gives 12TF which is a nice fit for Xbox anaconda.

Now the clock-speed is based on the leaked gonzalo which indicates a Cpu clocked at 3,2ghz and GPU clocked at 1,8ghz for the PS5, since consoles usually have lower clock-speed than desktop parts I assume Navi can hit 2-2,1GHz without much issue.

About navi hitting geforce 2080Ti performance, I don't think it's impossible, Vega 7 is close to geforce 2080 and assume Navi can hit 2-2.1ghz then a 64CU gpu with maybe 5% per/TF increase from architecture and it's very close to geforce 2080Ti about 10% under which this leak suggest. And a 64CU Navi gpu should have the die size around 300mm2+ so even the price is not out of whack with gddr6 ofc.

Even though I still think this is a fake leak the rumored next-gen consoles gives it some credibility.

So you really believe Sony will launch a new gen that is not even 2 times faster than its latest console launch, the ps4 pro? But for some reason you believe the anaconda will be 2x the x1x, making it almost 1.5 the power of the ps5 assuming its all coming at the same time. What are you expecting the prices will be for them?

Honestly a new gen console coming at only 1.3 the power of the previous last gen top console would be just ridiculous. Specially not weaker than stadia.

Yea, he keeps saying this, but there is no way it is happening. It would be absolute suicide for Sony to release a next gen system that is only ~2 Tflops more than the XBO X, while XB2 is 2x the X, and probably only $100 more. PS5 would just be a punch line at that point. We have already gotten a confirmation from a reporter at Kotaku that Sony and MS are at least trying to outdo the 10.7 Tflops that Stadia is pulling. I think worst case scenerio they will be about on par with that, so ~10 Tflops. The 8.3 seems more like wishful thinking on his part to me.

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Well, look at the launch of the current gen. Xbox One sold well! Really well! It was the 3rd highest launch ever at the time (if memory serves) in spite of them absolutely butchering their reveal and Sony's more capable, cheaper machine and all the good will in the world.

They could have killed a puppy live on YouTube and would have been applauded. In spite of this, ps4 didn't double xbox during the launch window.

Sony isn't going to have that luxury next generation. While they're very likely to sell more next generation, it isn't written in stone. AMD would be fools to back one horse over the other when they already have both in their pocket.

We are talking about a 2 year window and you want to look at a 2 month window?

Sony sold much more than MS from the very begging, and PS5 would do the same. Sony can easily have a contract obeying they average sales for the 2 year period (which would be over 30M) while MS can't, they never got anywhere near the numbers. Unless console landscape changes a lot (which you seem to be determined to believe because of reasons) Xbox next will sell about half of PS5.

Exactly. Not sure why this concept is so hard to comprehend for some. Sony has much better bargaining power in order to demand lower prices, at least on the onset of the gen. Yes, if by some miracle the XB2 performs about on par, or better, than the PS5, AMD will adjust prices to reflect this change. But, at the beginning, Sony is going to have made 115M+ purchases with AMD, making them much more money than MS, which gives them a better bargaining position. AMD is going to want to make them happy, and will see that Sony is more than likely going to repeat that success next gen.

Amd wont have anything matching the 2080 untill 2020 for $500. Who knows about the 2080ti.

The 2070 match will be $330. Navi 10 with 56 compute units. will come out third Q of this year. Could this be the one in the ps5? At that price? Its still a whole year before the ps5 actually uses it. And we have to remember that sony will be getting them much cheaper.

So this scales down the rumors. Like permalite said before. Seems like Amd is still ways behind. Nvidea just has to update the rtx line to 7nm and Keep their big advantage in both power and tdp. But seems like AMD will still have a better price for performance.

I for one think we are getting at least 2070 performance on the ps5. After all, $500 ps5 seems to be likely. Who knows about the anaconda. Could be $600 with 2080 performance. But will that matter? I dont think nnext gen us casual gamers wont be able to tell. We already go by what Digital Foundry tells us.

If the leak is correct, than the Navi 10 sounds right. I wonder if the real reason Sony skipped E3 was because they will be at AMD's E3 showing where the Navi is revealed. They may show a few games that are in production, but they aren't far along enough yet to have a floor full of demos. It also allows AMD to shoulder much of the price of a E3 showing, while Sony is focused on spending money on the development of the PS5.

It also says that amd is strugling with clock speeds. Maybe they just arent ready to anounce anything big or even show games that might need to be scaled down cuz amd underdelivered.

Well, remember that the previous leaked info on Gonzalo, the chipset that is believed to be going into the PS5, from Jan had the GPU clocked at 1Ghz, while the more recent one from April had the clockspeed at 1.8 Ghz. Maybe it was a problem earlier on and they are more recently getting it sorted out.