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i mean, is it really?
even cerny said that the clock go down for heavy stuff, and what is the most heavy stuff if not exclusive games that push graphics and heavy third party games (or unoptimezed third party games)?
basically we already know for sure that with the most intense games the console won't perform at his best in the most heavy scene...where you ned the max power available
there is any other positive way of seeing this?

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I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture (MidgarBlowedUp
is an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

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The tech behind the SSD speeds on the PS5 is very interesting, maintaining that speed due to thermal will also be interesting. The variable clock speed is a tad be worrisome but devs have come out saying how fast the ps5 is we will see once both these consoles get released how they act in real world.

DF:

Rich: How do we spin this PS5 news?
John: I have no clue, but it's rather interesting the SSD is quick, it'll be hot... Literally. Alex what do you think?
Alex: I'm busy on the XseX leave me alone.

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i mean, is it really?
even cerny said that the clock go down for heavy stuff, and what is the most heavy stuff if not exclusive games that push graphics and heavy third party games (or unoptimezed third party games)?
basically we already know for sure that with the most intense games the console won't perform at his best in the most heavy scene...where you ned the max power available
there is any other positive way of seeing this?

I mean, why take risk? Getting a gpu clock boost for testing the cooling limits? PS4 PRO don't have any reputation in that departament, both loud as fuck and sometimes heat.
Think a little. Is that really necessary? Why not just admit that 9TF bs and live with that?

Was in fact a bold move for Sony. They will need a fucking cooling system for that 2GHz and if you add the SSD cost with will be probably more expensive that seX SSD solution and here we go. PS5 could get a high price or similar level as seX.

Sry, but I not seeing much positive in that departament. Maybe the SSD could be a 'game changer' for them, but risking heat problems is a big no for me. They're asking me for wait the revision version of PS5 aka PS5 slim.

Exactly. Xbox has been craving the performance crown since they got owned with the Xbone, and PS fans gloated back then, but the performance of the PS4 was only one in a long list of factors which drove its success combined with many failings on the XBox side.

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When talking about how the ps5 ssd could "revolutionise" game development because it would let devs use the ssd drive like an extra pool of RAM, i wish they would clarify in relation to what, are they comparing it to last gen or the xsx?

Also all this custom ssd hardware and custom audio hardware is some what puzzling, cerny has talked about not having "exotic hardware" and while this hardware may not be hard to develop for, it is still custom and the industry has been moving towards having games and engines be as scalable as possible.
Devs are not going do extra work for PS5 exclusive features, 3rd parties will make solutions which work for all platforms.
Its kinda of contradicts what cerny has said.

This is rather on point. Technically the PS5 is pretty fascinating, sure it's not the "flops" others wish to see because its a simple number to understand but overall the SSDs tech inside the ps5 is amazing. I think Sony needed to shadow drop a BB2 or a Demon Souls or even a tease of any other of their first party game and we wouldn't be worrying about their flops.

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I mean, why take risk? Getting a gpu clock boost for testing the cooling limits? PS4 PRO don't have any reputation in that departament, both loud as fuck and sometimes heat.
Think a little. Is that really necessary? Why not just admit that 9TF bs and live with that?

Was in fact a bold move for Sony. They will need a fucking cooling system for that 2GHz and if you add the SSD cost with will be probably more expensive that seX SSD solution and here we go. PS5 could get a high price or similar level as seX.

Sry, but I not seeing much positive in that departament. Maybe the SSD could be a 'game changer' for them, but risking heat problems is a big no for me. They're asking me for wait the revision version of PS5 aka PS5 slim.

i...don't understand if you are with me or not on this...
what i was saying is that who give a fuck if the gpu clock is only damn high with lighter games\scene? what's the point of having a giant boost if you can't use it when it's most needed?

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I won't lie, I was honestly hoping the playstation 5 would be closer to the series X in overall Terra flops...

Not because it's going to make a humongous difference graphics wise mind you, (there are other factors at work) but because I knew one way or another there would be fanboys just dribbling at the mouth...

People we have yet to see either console in action, and we have yet to see either console show their respective games, let alone their true potential

Can we wait with the fanboy/console war crap until we actually have something?

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i...don't understand if you are with me or not on this...
what i was saying is that who give a fuck if the gpu clock is only damn high with lighter games\scene? what's the point of having a giant boost if you can't use it where it's most needed?

Excuses that it currently stands, that the Xbox is more power than the PS5. Regardless if Sony can finesse the specs and they run at similar performance. From the raw specs, it appears the Xbox is more powerful. But I personally don't care who is more powerful, I was just pointing out the fact that this board would be jumping for joy if the shoe was on the other foot. And since at the moment it is not, people are bringing up stuff like what you're saying. "Oh well, they probably will be similar in performance after X, Y, Z". That was my point. But again, like I said, I personally don't care. I hope both consoles do well for us the consumers to get a great product.

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Cool video, and indeed they highlighted a couple of things that were great during the presentation: audio, and of course ssd.
Im personally a big audiophile, so definitely would like to know more about the sony's solution for that. It seems really great.

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I really enjoyed the talk .. now this is the real perfect reaction to the reveal .. not crying or screaming or laughing just like what others do here or there , PS5 first reveal of some features and specs are outstanding in terms of SSD , Smart shift between CPU and GPU And the 3D audio.. it’s a game changer

Yet there are more features to come ..
new gen is really exciting already

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listening to this. it's nice. you will rarely find someone better than DF to give the technical lowdown on any given topic.

good to have the facts. interesting how today's speech was originally meant for developers at GDC. lol youtube was full of people going "ZZZZZZ boring!" and they were just ignorant that it wasn't directed at them. this wasn't meant to shadow drop some rad game. this was a technical presentation.

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listening to this. it's nice. you will rarely find someone better than DF to give the technical lowdown on any given topic.

good to have the facts. interesting how today's speech was originally meant for developers at GDC. lol youtube was full of people going "ZZZZZZ boring!" and they were just ignorant that it wasn't directed at them. this wasn't meant to shadow drop some rad game. this was a technical presentation.

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People are fast at comparing Tflops but forget about gpu clock speed advantage of PS5. Not all game/scenario use max teraflops all the time. And in thoses cases PS5 will compute faster and output a better fps overall. Also a lot of the custom chips is off loading the cpu/gpu from certain load and free more process. PS5 will be a speed beast and will include all my favorite games. Mark Cerny is an amazing architech.

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Cool video, and indeed they highlighted a couple of things that were great during the presentation: audio, and of course ssd.
Im personally a big audiophile, so definitely would like to know more about the sony's solution for that. It seems really great.

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listening to this. it's nice. you will rarely find someone better than DF to give the technical lowdown on any given topic.

good to have the facts. interesting how today's speech was originally meant for developers at GDC. lol youtube was full of people going "ZZZZZZ boring!" and they were just ignorant that it wasn't directed at them. this wasn't meant to shadow drop some rad game. this was a technical presentation.

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Ok. Watching the presentation I sort of got what Cerny & co. are trying to do but I lost it after reading all the doomsday talk on here.
This DF video brought it back to me. What I get is they are really going for a paradigm shift in the way data/bandwith is handled and available to the developers, be it RAM or ssd. More efficient handling of RAM. More efficient handling of geometry/culling. Essentially more bang for the buck so to speak.
The boost situation as I understand it is entirely in the hands of the developers, and dependent on power usage, not temperatures i.e. not some weird random throttling, but repeatable and controllable across all consoles. This is maybe the biggest paradigm shift and the hardest to wrap my head around.
What Im getting is that the PS5 will be able to throw massive amounts of data around fast: up on the screen, game/a.i logic, sound etc.
I imagine there will be some impressive games developed with all this in mind, that simply would not be possible on other platforms.

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The most bizarre thing with this drama is this will actually be one on the closest gens in terms of power. I mean look at how wildly different the PS2 gen was. Or last gen. How about PSX compared to N64? The 360/PS3 parity was actually an anomaly, and even then equal FLOPS on paper resulted in very different outcomes.

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The only thing funny here is Sony's machine, and the fanboys who clung to their blind faith going into this, only to leave disappointed.

As far as raw numbers go; this machine is okay for next gen, at best.

Cerny opened his dialogue with the over complications of the PS3, and then proceeded to talk about the lack of simplicity that the PS5 is; "We're giving you guys power...but under these conditions." That's not simplicity. You want simplicity, then listen to Microsoft's approach; "We're giving you power, full stop!" And that's exactly what they're doing. No stipulations, no ifs, buts or maybes. Just raw, stable, unconstrained, non-fluctuating power for developers to do as they please with it. That's a win, in my book.

A more powerful console... Throw back-compat in with that... Throw Xcloud and game streaming in with that, and I don't see how you can go wrong!

People want to talk about games? We hear the trolls all the time "Xbox has no games!" Well guess who's coming out the gate with hundreds of games from the original Xbox, to the Xbox 360, to the Xbox One, and new games from new (and competent studios) for the Xbox Series X? Yup! Guess who doesn't have games now? No, it's not Xbox.

People like to dress up their hurt, but call a spade a spade!

The Xbox Series X, out the gate is a more powerful console, that supports hundreds of games with backward compatibility, game streaming and cross platform with PC! And for those reasons alone, they have earned my money!

Now, can you kindly please stop moving the goalposts and wear your L on your chest like a man.

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The only thing funny here is Sony's machine, and the fanboys who clung to their blind faith going into this, only to leave disappointed.

As far as raw numbers go; this machine is okay for next gen, at best.

Cerny opened his dialogue with the over complications of the PS3, and then proceeded to talk about the lack of simplicity that the PS5 is; "We're giving you guys power...but under these conditions." That's not simplicity. You want simplicity, then listen to Microsoft's approach; "We're giving you power, full stop!" And that's exactly what they're doing. No stipulations, no ifs, buts or maybes. Just raw, stable, unconstrained, non-fluctuating power for developers to do as they please with it. That's a win, in my book.

A more powerful console... Throw back-compat in with that... Throw Xcloud and game streaming in with that, and I don't see how you can go wrong!

People want to talk about games? We hear the trolls all the time "Xbox has no games!" Well guess who's coming out the gate with hundreds of games from the original Xbox, to the Xbox 360, to the Xbox One, and new games from new (and competent studios) for the Xbox Series X? Yup! Guess who doesn't have games now? No, it's not Xbox.

People like to dress up their hurt, but call a spade a spade!

The Xbox Series X, out the gate is a more powerful console, that supports hundreds of games with backward compatibility, game streaming and cross platform with PC! And for those reasons alone, they have earned my money!

Now, can you kindly please stop moving the goalposts and wear your L on your chest like a man.