Monday, February 13, 2006

Conservatives with Apostate Problems

I have recently mentioned my admiration for Glenn Greenwald -- I'm using his post on summarizing the domestic spying scandal as an example in the new "meme theory/Say Ain't" article I'm still wrestling to the ground.

Mr. Greenwald wrote a great post yesterday on how "conservative" now seems to mean "I support George Bush" rather than, oh, limiting the intrusiveness of the federal government and fiscal responsibility. Basically, no matter what your long-held policy views or conservative bona fides, as soon as you say "I think George Bush might be screwing up job X", you get to star in the Broadway Revival of "Galileo vs, The Catholic Church", and you ain't playing the role of Pope Urban VIII, if you get the drift.

He was then, of course attacked by people who promptly confirmed his argument for him. Glenn's ability to boil down complex ideas into simple, clear concepts, and his equanimity in the face of idiocy without descending into my weakness -- snark, sweet intoxicating snark -- makes him a valuable voice in the current political miasma. Go read all his stuff.

I would merely advise Mr. Greenwald that when you say the same thing with jokes, nobody gets pissed off. Hell, I still get e-mails about putting that on t-shirts ...

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What we used to have was a real debate of ideas.To be honest, while my passion is social liberalism, I can't deny that conservatives may have a point on economic issues (I really have no serious understand of economics, so there's a real question there as to whether or not I should have an opinion).What we are seeing here now is more like religion.You are either with Bush or against him.You are either with Mohammed or against him.You are either with Jesus or against him.Bush is the Alpha and the Omega.There is no thought.Just The Word.

I have serious concerns that our country is going to go through a very big change in 2008.

I wonder what it would take to keep Bush in office in the election year? Perhaps a nuclear bomb that detonates in a large (not Washington DC, of course) city, and thus reacting by enacting a "we're at war, we can't change now!" law that leaves him in power?

I will breath a very large sigh of relief once Bush leaves office, but only if someone who isn't just like him enters it...

I've said for years that I honestly wouldn't mind a phiscal conservative in office, so long as they're as laisefair about social issues. But what we have is social conservatives who don't know the first thing about ecomics, or anything really. Know nothings.

I liken to the cognitive dissonance of the sucker/con dichotomy, which is just a fancible way of saying that no one wants to be the sucker!

So instead of whinging about getting taken for a ride by a cheap gang of hustlers, they pretend that this is exactly what they signed up for in the first place.

And as long as they are willing to do that, the cadre is more than willing to lend them enough rhetorical rope to hang themselves such as the relative comfort and support of being able to call themselves "conservatives" when their government and elected leaders are acting more like Stalinists...

Thanks for linking to Glenn. His post today is fantastic, and I'm backtracking all over the web to get folks to read it and act upon his excellent suggestions. I think we all need to start sending out letters to the editor of every small, local, regional paper and get people in on the discussion of what our America should look like...

Well, there's still read debate of ideas to be had between conservatives and liberals -- it's just that in order to recognize it as such, you have to disregard what the movementarians imagine "liberals" to be.

Movement conservatism, which has always been distinct from conservatism in the wider sense, pretended to want a real debate of ideas, but to one degree or another had actually ceased to regard fellow Americans as genuine citizens a long time ago. The primary difference of the Age of Bush is that the mask is being peeled away to a degree never seen before, making the derangement and delusion more easily visible.

So who gets to run the Canadian Compound once those men in the black suits and dark glasses haul you away in the middle of the night? I've got over an acre on the outskirts of Vancouver if you need a place to hide....

I heard a really good observatuion last night - Our discourse in this country has gotten so looney that if a pundit or politician is only half nuts instead of all-out bonkers, he or she often comes off as a voice of reason. Sad but true.

And I have to agree with Glenn G.'s assessment about the current crop of so-called conservatives.

I know some true Republicans. Their beliefs on a host of issues, but particularly foreign policy, conflict with those espoused by the right's chattering class.

But, then, the folks I know actually do things like, oh, read newspapers and apply critical analysis to issues. I don't always agree with views. But at least they base things on facts.

Facts. You know, things the Charles Krauthammers and Ann Coulters of the world avoid.

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