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May 28, 2008

“I still like and admire President Bush. But he and his advisers confused the propaganda campaign with the high level of candor and honesty so fundamentally needed to build and then sustain public support during a time of war"

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Yeah baby, the "big guns" are starting to speak out (probably out of fear of prosecution for war crimes). Read excerpts from his (S.McClellan) book, it's illuminating.Still puzzles me how a press secretary can go along for so long with the lies when it was clear to us, common people.

White House aides seemed stunned by the scathing tone of the book, and Bush press secretary Dana Perino issued a statement that was highly critical of their former colleague.

"Scott, we now know, is disgruntled about his experience at the White House," she said. "For those of us who fully supported him, before, during and after he was press secretary, we are puzzled. It is sad - this is not the Scott we knew."

And yet, at some point, Bushco had a 97% approval rating. That means that the majority of you were behind him. The same majority who's now shoving Obama down our throats.

No but no thanks, I don't follow cults or trends, especially $8 Latte Drinkers, $10k Handbag Celebs, or rappers. Never voted for Bush, never approved him on anything, not even after 9/11, so I'm one of the few who can say that Obama is another Empty Suit. Hey, but if you want to be a mainstream media bitch, AGAIN, be my guest.

"Scott, we now know, is disgruntled about his experience at the White House," she said. "For those of us who fully supported him, before, during and after he was press secretary, we are puzzled. It is sad - this is not the Scott we knew."

Hahaha! That's funny. I just looove to listen to the endless stream of bullshit on fake conservative radio as they go into damage control mode.

"oooh, how could McClellan say anything bad about El Presidente Bush. He's obviously lost his mind. He's not the same boot-looking, Neoconservative, sycophant that he was when we knew him."

Today Dennis Prager's only defense of Bush was to prattle on about McClellan's "loyalty" or some BS. Then it was back to demonizing the muslim world and elevating Israel as the moral compass of the globe. Man, these clowns make me sick. As funny as the propaganda is to listen to these Machiavellian bastards need to be shown the door!

Of course it is. But typically of the average American trapped in the false Left/Right, Red/Blue, Democrat/Republican paradigm you assume that anyone criticizing Bush is a Dem or Obama supporter.

Wrong.

There are many pissed off individuals that are more in line with old school Republicanism than this fake conservative crap that passes for Republican these days. The Republican party is overrun by Marxist Neoconservatives and the evangelical crazies that want to nuke the Islamic world for Israel.

There's also a big difference between propaganda based on lies that drives a country to war and propaganda used to win an election. A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE DUMMY.

Hello, I'm part of the 3% that has always though Bush to be a complete retard and totally worthless. He has never been in charge of anything in his life and actually improved the business. That jackoff couldn't even run the Texas Rangers.

However, I really need to take exception to the comparison to Nazis. We may strongly disagree with Bush on most of the things he does, but even to begin comparing him with an architect of mass genocide such as Hitler quite frankly cheapens the enormity of Hitler's despicable acts. I believe bush has abused the public trust, damaged the reputation of America and squandered billions of dollars needlessly in invading Iraq, but compared to Hitler, he's Mother Theresa. If you don't believe me, I suggest typing "holocaust" into your computer, or doing some research into the mass slaughtering of Russians during their invasion there.

Finally... let's reexamine the facts: everybody knows (and Colin Powell knew) that there was no way the U.S. would get any support to simply remove Sadam Hussein (this guy was a bit closer to Hitler, but still a "solid guy" in comparison) just because we wanted to. So, if you'll remember, Bush and Co. switched their rhetoric from "regime change" to "WMD" to find a proper pretext. Unfortunately, most of the country, along with an overwhelming majority of both sides of the aisle in Congress, was simply in the mood to punish anybody, and I mean anybody, in the wake of 9/11, so we let it slide... hindsight is 50/50, but we should all realize, including our members of congress who voted for this war, that we share a bit of blame for this mess.

Face it, the GOP punked America for 8 years with Bush. And now they want McMidget for another 8 years of punking. And mark my words, the American public is STUPID enough to vote McSame in. Just watch. Never under estimate the stupidity of the American public.

Most of the Bush Regime will be liable as war criminals if they travel internationally, and even Paraguay, where the Bush family has thousands of acres and has no extradition treaty's, has mover toward the left.If the French Revolution is a forbearer of history, these thugs have to worry a bit.I think most are rats abandoning a sinking ship, and trying to make legal credibility when they end up being prosecuted or, even worst for them, about to be lynched.

Bushco and Cheneyburton should/will be indicted, arrested and jailed (immediately). Use war crimes and treason as predicates. We can add charges as we go along. After all, they have been doing this for years... Presumed GUILTY.

Strip Bushco and Cheneyburton of all their assets pending settlement and plea bargaining.

Put them in orange suits to match Mozillo's skin color.

Special treatment for the executive branch. Revive Dr. Mengele for a madatory check ups...

Nothing is TOO BAD for these people. We WILL march on a road of bones...

This nation and its Americano citizen is as toasted as a snapper turtle skewered from mouth to ass on a green Chinese bamboo stick all sizzling, sputtering, roasting nicely, juices dripping, fat popping over a bed of white hot charcoal grill.

Americano = Grilled Snapper TurtleAmericano = Bushy Shrub

Heeeee... Haaaaa... Arrrrr...

Gasoline is now at its lowest level in the history of the Americano. It is only $130.00 a barrel of oil and it will head to $150 Americano dollar currency in a blink. Cheap, ain't it ?

So, tell me, does the average Americano, Joe6Pack and JaneZinfandel take it enough in the rear orifice yet by the forceful penetration of "Little Boy" + "Fat Man", or do you want more "Enter The Dragon" ?

Americano = Being Entered By The Dragon up the Kazook"BORKAFATTY" AKA The Pig is swallowing, roosting, snouting, chomping at the maggot feed trough.

Heeeee... Haaaaa... Arrrrr...

And all of you retards, ass-head that voted for SHRUB and worshipped his ASS over the last 8 years, guess what, the chicken are coming home to roost on your head-ass. The ancient snapper turtle probably have more brain cell than you and your children combined together. Are you sorry yet ? Do you feel ashamed and stupid about your shallow thinking, narrow-minded love and blind, ignorant worshipping for DUBYA ? Do you, do you, do you ???

Somehow, the idiot republicans on this board will find a way to blame "the libruuuls".

And in 10-20 years, republicans will be saying that bush wasn't a "real" republican, that he was forced into his awful decisions by democrats, that the Congress was under democratic control, that Clinton started the Iraq war in 1999, that sunspots caused the problems, not bush.

Filthy, ignorant conservatives NEVER take the blame for their own. They deflect, change the time frames, rewrite history and generally LIE to try and make themselves look like anything but the vermin that they are.

It sounds to me like the press secretary is spewing out more propaganda since he's claiming that "if Bush were a good president, we'd all love the Iraq War." Not! Go find another sucker for your spin, mr press secretary because I think you're a crazy hoot since you want us to believe that the press corps is soft even though their behavior is required for your crap to go unchallenged for credibility's sake!

On top of that, we all know about Karen Hughes, Armstrong Williams, Katie Couric, etc... all pawns of your misinformation.

That way, when things are less than perfect you get to say the following:

"And yet, at some point, Bushco had a 97% approval rating. That means that the majority of you were behind him. The same majority who's now shoving Obama down our throats.

No but no thanks, I don't follow cults or trends, especially $8 Latte Drinkers, $10k Handbag Celebs, or rappers. Never voted for Bush, never approved him on anything, not even after 9/11, so I'm one of the few who can say that Obama is another Empty Suit. Hey, but if you want to be a mainstream media bitch, AGAIN, be my guest."

For those of you upset with the picture of Adolf, don't be so PC. We're talking about propaganda, and in any conversation on that topic, you MUST talk about Nazi Germany.

When I think "propaganda" used to fool and calm the masses, I think:

Nazi GermanyThe NARFox NewsBush & Cheney

Propaganda comes in many forms. And America is seeing it in its finest form right now. The recently uncovered use of bought-off military brass to go out and 'sell' the war was probably the most convincing tidbet we've seen.

Propaganda:

Propaganda is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents information in order to influence its audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda

However, I really need to take exception to the comparison to Nazis. We may strongly disagree with Bush on most of the things he does, but even to begin comparing him with an architect of mass genocide such as Hitler quite frankly cheapens the enormity of Hitler's despicable acts. I believe bush has abused the public trust, damaged the

You should really try doing some research into the Bush family before you dismiss comparisons of Bush and Hitler. It's well documented that the Bush family made their fortune by financing the Nazi war machine in a very direct way.

Four generations of Bushes were members of Skull and Bones which is basically a Yale old boy network that uses their connections to elevate themselves to positions of power and protect their own financial and positions of influence.

Bushco on his BEST day after a fish meal cannot compare favorably to Hitler on his WORST, drugged-out sleep-deprived take-over-the -world fight the Russians in Winter on their turf manic rant day.

Bushco-Cheneyburton mistakes and strategies make Hitlers mistakes look like a basket of warm pupies by the fireside in a snowstorm...

Bush is a stupid, ignorant punk, out-of-touch like Daddy and the rest of his Family like honest Jeb and Savings & Loan Neil. This will be proved soon, hopefully in a court of law, American or International it does not matter.

Bushco (the entire family) belongs in Prison in maximum security and their assets seized.

Please do not besmirch the worst man ever born, Adolph Hitler by comparing him to George W. Bush or the Bushco clan.

Bush could have never passed the mental test to make it in Hitlers' Germany.

"Scott, we now know, is disgruntled about his experience at the White House," she said. "For those of us who fully supported him, before, during and after he was press secretary, we are puzzled. It is sad - this is not the Scott we knew."

Apparently they have not figured out in Bush land that the rest of the country, if not the world is digruntled with this moron and his cronies as well. They are still puzzled as to why people don't like not having jobs, not having money, dying in wars, paying 4.00 a gallon at the pump and paying 50% more for bread. I think the "axis of evil does exist, they were just geographically incorrect. It is not the middle east, it is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, DC 20500. I think Americans have a new calendar, it has x's on it counting down the months, days hours and minutes until this idiot and his band of merry men are finally ejected from public "service" once and for all. AMEN

"When I think "propaganda" used to fool and calm the masses, I think:"

Hmmm...I think of the leaflets dropped by the Allies during WWII...I think of Jimmy Stewart's well-publicized enlisting in the service during WWII. I think of the realtor campaign over 50 years ago to put a social stigma on renting. I think of a lot of things. I guess you only think about certain things. And then you put those certain things on a blog, creating your own form of propaganda. And as expected, the sheep eat it up! Well done!

McClellan is marketing his book. What do you expect him to do, say it's just a boring book about his time in the White House?

As for him being quiet, he was doing his damn job. Some of you people here get it, but most don't, that when you're told to do something controversial on the job you do it or you don't. If you don't you may as well quit first. I'm not talking about draining the fry grease here, I'm talking about keeping your mouth shut about the layoff that is about to happen.

McClellan cashed the check as long as someone was stupid enough to sign it.

"Hey bush right now is standing in the way of the bailout! We really dont want him to be politically damaged right now!

I understand why you are upset but this could HURT US EVEN MORE!!!!"

By us, you mean those that want housing prices to go to zero so you can come in and buy and not rent anymore. Who cares if the entire economy falls, just as long as those darn housing prices can come down right?? It is amazing that you will state that we should keep a man sheltered from answering for his crimes who has destroyed this country in so many ways that it will take us years to recover if ever just so it can fit your narrow agenda. The market will take care of housing - bailout or not, however right now the HYPE of the housing crash is causing ENORMOUS COLLATERAL DAMAGE to the economy outside of housing. I am all for the bailout simply because of the psycological effect it will have on other parts of the economy. If you have not figured it out yet, the high oil prices and high commodity prices are a direct result of the fact that speculators cannot make money in anything else other than commodities right now due to the pessimism bubble making everything go down. At least if the bailout comes, it could boost psychological sentiment and the economy, giving the fed the excuse to raise rates, which would boost the dollar, and lower commodity gambling with neccessities. If the economy is somewhat stronger, and we have a President that removes us from our biggest bill by far - this dopey war, we can probably begin stablization. If this pessimisim bubble and continued idiotic war drone on, you can expect higher deficits, higher commodity prices and continued low interest rates. I for one would rather see a couple of fliptards bailed out (they will get theirs anyway) rather than the rest of us have to suffer because the people like you can't get over the "housing bubble".

I never voted Republican and despise the current administration from the beginning, but I wonder why the Democrat majority doesn't want to take this opportunity to impeach Bushco. Oh, I got it, because the democrats are as corrupt as the neocons. Remember, the same democrat majority has been running the country for 2 years now. Do you see any improvement?

But they aren't alone, since the same corrupt mainstream media that was soft on Bushco, never asked tough questions (i.e., Cris Matthews, Tim Russert, Wolf, Anderson Cooper, Olbermann), that helped to sell the Iraq war (Judith Miller from New York Times anyone?):

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, are now shoving the Messiah down your throats. And these same media a$$holes are now faking on TV like they didn't know that the Iraq war was fake. Now they're trying to protect each other against the accusations of McClellan that the media was complacent.

Only reporters from the Knight Rider were trying to expose the phony pretenses to go to the war, while the rest of the corrupt media ignore them and helped Bush (hello, Cris Matthews and Tim Russert). Here, watch the video in which the two KR reporters explain in detail how MSM is corrupt:

If the economy is somewhat stronger, and we have a President that removes us from our biggest bill by far - this dopey war, we can probably begin stablization.

Oh my, the cult of retards really believe that the Messiah will pull troops out of Iraq. Do you really think that he would set himself up for such a catastrophe that will unfold when the troops leave? Can't you see that all hell will break lose, with Al Qaeda throwing gas (literally) in the raging inferno? Does the Messiah want that right on first term?

Wanna bet $1,000 that Obama won't pull troops out in the next few years? He'll come up with some excuse, some little propaganda pushed by his MSM bootlicker, a "reason" to stay in. And all the retards following him will have amnesia and applaud while they chant "Messiah isn't changing crap but it's ok because we don't want to look stupid now".

Can you IMAGINE Bushco attempting to speak to the masses and rally a nation like Hitler did at Munich? Bushco would have put the Nazi party back years with just one of his incredibly intelligable inarticulate "speeches"...

George W. Bush, the bumbling stumbling ex-drunken frat boy who cannot even find his way off a stage by himself...

Hitler would have probably shot him on the spot out of frustration for him just being dumb.

Please do not besmirch Hitler with the Bush comparison. Its' like a dollar waiting on a dime...

I have got to tell this story. In the public relations push to go into Iraq in 2002> polls were quoted daily on cable news. A young reporter on MSNBClet the lie out of the bag when he quoted the actual question people were asked:

WOULD YOU FAVOR GOING INTO IRAQ AND REMOVING SADDAM HUSSEIN "IF IT COULD BE DONE IN 6 WEEKS OR LESS"?

That must have been the question used countrywide, and no one had mentioned it...Of course the young man was gone very shortly after.

George W. Bush, the bumbling stumbling ex-drunken frat boy who cannot even find his way off a stage by himself...

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HA HA HA. And yet he laid waste to both Al Gore and John F. Kerry. I'm not fan of Bush by any means. But I get a kick out of the ultra-libs who call Bush and idiot and yet have been schooled by him over the past 8 years. Even with a majority in Congress you idiots can't beat him. How's that pulling out of Iraq immediately thing going? Yeah didn't think so.

Oh my, the cult of retards really believe that the Messiah will pull troops out of Iraq. Do you really think that he would set himself up for such a catastrophe that will unfold when the troops leave? Can't you see that all hell will break lose, with Al Qaeda throwing gas (literally) in the raging inferno? Does the Messiah want that right on first term?

Do you really think Al Qaeda is an international network of terrorists that communicate with each other via carrier pigeon? You've been watching too many James Bond movies. No, they are just pissed off arabs that don't like US foreign policy because US foreign policy is geared towards bombing Muslim families, destroying Muslim communities and occupying Muslim territory.

The US is the cause of the chaos in Iraq. Do you think it's going to get any better as long as the US stays there?

If the US gets the hell out of Iraq's face at least they will have the incentive to start solving the problems that the US caused for them. The Iraqis WANT the US to leave you f*cking moronic piece of Bill O'Reilly propaganda believing trash.

You're a fool. Go back to your regularly scheduled government propaganda channel.

The US is the cause of the chaos in Iraq. Do you think it's going to get any better as long as the US stays there?

If you pay attention to my original posting, member of the cult of retards, you would notice that I'm not trying to protect or justify the current despicable administration. However, my point is that your Messiah still won't pull troops out of Iraq, as he lied to all of you just to get elected.

Your Empty Suit Messiah is just another politician and his "change" mantra is BS to fool sheep like you. Why is it that if we don't buy your Messiah bull$hit, you retards assume that we're Faux News viewers or Buscho bootlickers?

Your Empty Suit Messiah is just another politician and his "change" mantra is BS to fool sheep like you. Why is it that if we don't buy your Messiah bull$hit, you retards assume that we're Faux News viewers or Buscho bootlickers?

I'm not even an Obama supporter but I would take my chances with the intelligent guy that says he's going to pull out of Iraq vs the dumb, senile guy that says "100 years in Iraq" and "bomb bomb bomb Iran".

I'm not even an Obama supporter but I would take my chances with the intelligent guy that says he's going to pull out of Iraq vs the dumb, senile guy that says "100 years in Iraq" and "bomb bomb bomb Iran".

So you should address it to some else because I'm not a McCain supporter either. C'mon, we know you're a member of the Messiah cult of retards. Look at your Abercrombie & Fitch t-shirt. Yes, you are.