In vivo clinical studies have shown that Oligopeptide – 16, one of the ingredients in the anti-hair loss serum, when delivered to the base of the hair follicle, helps strengthen hair while stimulating hair follicles to produce healthier hair.It increases energy at the hair root, improving scalp circulation and encourages growth by activation of hair follicle stem cells.

Oligopeptide – 5, in clinical showed strengthening of the hair shaft, while stimulating the hair follicle. (It’s the hair shaft that becomes weak, in pattern baldness)

Clinical trials demonstrated in skin organ culture that growth factor stimulating peptides, may act as a stimulator of hair placode formation, at least in part by antagonising the inhibitory effect of hair follicle development.

LA Science shampoo creates a healthy environment for anti-hair loss which improves blood supply to the scalp.One of the main ingredients of the shampoo is Copper Tripeptide. Copper peptide complex increases blood vessel network to the hair follicle, increasing the size of the follicle, encouraging hair growth.

That's wierd... it's not the same Dermaheal I used. LA Science and the Dermaheal product posted above talk about GF mimicking peptides, while the one posted below (the one I used) allegedly uses nano GFs... matter of fact, didn't we trace it back to Caregen? Could be wrong though...

nate..things like this make me chuckle a bit. If these same ingreds were being brought up by Nid, or certain other ppl(nothing wrong with them..just making a point here) and they were going to have a topical made with those ingreds...you'd have a bunch of people jumping on the bandwagon. There are plenty of these kinds of products out there already. Even that "new" StemC'rum by Caregen has been out for about a year and a half. Other places are already selling it.

It seems this is different from Dermaheal...for sure the old Dermaheal, since chore boy already stated so(he used Dermaheal).

IMO growth factors are working, BUT, I think the treatment will need to be continuous for the results to be long lasting. For that reason, I would really love a product like A&G, but with the following changes...

1) Better Price2) Synthetic Growth Factors (I know you supposedly can't catch anything from cellular derived sources, but I would much prefer not being the first person to catch HIV)3) Nano Delivery

@Jacob: does Elsom do anything with growth factors? I know they have already got the nano delivery down. I get the feeling #1 would likely not happen if Elsom released a product like this (though I'm sure it would be great quality).

Jacob wrote:nate..things like this make me chuckle a bit. If these same ingreds were being brought up by Nid, or certain other ppl(nothing wrong with them..just making a point here) and they were going to have a topical made with those ingreds...you'd have a bunch of people jumping on the bandwagon. There are plenty of these kinds of products out there already. Even that "new" StemC'rum by Caregen has been out for about a year and a half. Other places are already selling it.

It seems this is different from Dermaheal...for sure the old Dermaheal, since chore boy already stated so(he used Dermaheal).

Hmmm... so are you basically saying that all of the stuff being hyped by Nid on regrowth is already available to the public without the whole hassle of a group buy? So for example the Dermaheal HL that he is advertising on regrowth is the same as what? the LA Science product or the ruhealthy product chore boy used or the 2weekmiracle product? Or is there any difference between ANY of them? And most importantly is there ANY real indication that any of these will actually do anything for hairloss?! what about the nanosomes stuff, do any of these use it?

hairsucks, maybe i missed this but which one did you use? The LA science stuff?

perga, that is exactly what i was saying, that they need to turn the stuff into a daily continuous treatment, dilute it or something and lower the price cuz i felt it was working while i was using it

perga wrote:@Jacob: does Elsom do anything with growth factors? I know they have already got the nano delivery down. I get the feeling #1 would likely not happen if Elsom released a product like this (though I'm sure it would be great quality).

Hmmm... so are you basically saying that all of the stuff being hyped by Nid on regrowth is already available to the public without the whole hassle of a group buy? So for example the Dermaheal HL that he is advertising on regrowth is the same as what? the LA Science product or the ruhealthy product chore boy used or the 2weekmiracle product? Or is there any difference between ANY of them? And most importantly is there ANY real indication that any of these will actually do anything for hairloss?! what about the nanosomes stuff, do any of these use it?

Not ALL of the stuff. I think the "custom" product he had made is different from other things being discussed. But then again..I'd have to look at all of the ingreds.

The "DermaHeal" products are available at quite a few places. At least one in the USA- http://www.apothecure.com I don't know if they have any of the "new" ones- Stem C'rum etc..but I've sent them an email to find out. There's nothing wrong with Nid doing this..especially if he can get it cheaper. I'm just amazed at the amount of interest in certain things when an individual decides to get a "group buy" on something, compared to someone just posting about the products that are available elsewhere. Although I suppose A&G is an exception(though it's not something someone could have gotten a group buy on..at least not prior to them selling it themselves)...and maybe if the Stem C'rum had been posted with links to buy earlier, there'd be as much interest. But imagine if he did this for the nano-hGH..I can guarantee you'd have numerous ppl saying- count me in!

I have no idea if they will actually do anything for hair loss. They should..and ppl should give them enough time if they do use them. But even with them being out there for awhile..there's no mountain of evidence that they're wonder products. I do like the Stem C'rum though...the fact that you have to mix two things together(think- stability)..the ingreds..etc.

What is nanosomal? This is what bothers me about Caregen. It's hard to tell what uses them and what doesn't. You have to go by the ingreds lists..and even then, some(and even Caregen) will claim it's nanosomal, even though there's nothing in the ingreds that could possibly make it nanosomal or liposomal or ____somal

Where can you get the stem crum stuff that nid was talking about? Am I correct in assuming that that stuff was probably superior to the Dermaheal HL? I was kind of confused by what nid was talking about on the thread at regrowth, and i shot him a few emails but he did not respond. Maybe I'll try to go read it again

I had links over at Regrowth on places that already carried it. Overseas. I'm not even going to attempt to go there to look them up..I'd have a better chance of finding a Trojan The one I do remember is http://myfatdissolve.com/

You would think it'd be superior to the Dermaheal..although the Dermaheal seems to now be nanosomal. It doesn't sound like the Stem C'rum is...although it's possible. Mixing two different vials together..hmmm..well NanoPro is a powder and certain ingreds are encapsulated..so who knows. In fact I'm almost certain I've come across "dry" ingredients that are encapsulated- made for topical use when mixed up.

Apothecure may also carry it..waiting for a response on that.

Maybe the pdf Nid says he has shows some good before/afters. I've never been into pictures much..but with products like these you'd think they'd be out there. And maybe some "studies". I've been wondering if there's anything like that out there for that nano-hGH as well.

cool, i checked it out, looks like more than 200 usd for 5 vials of 5 ml, boy that sounds familiar

i'm having trouble with regrowth.com, so im curious how much of this stuff are you supposed to put on, like how long would each vial last for? i guess no one has figured out yet if this stuff could basically be the same as AG

BTW..I'd have no problem if A&G got theirs from Caregen. They shouldn't have a problem just saying so though.

Edit...I think..once again..they're talking about the skin product there. The hair product is in single vials on page 33. Notice the skin one talks about nanosomes..the hair one does not. But I'm sure we'll know soon enough if the hair one is nanosomal.

hmmm... i'm wondering if all of these very similar products being released by many different companies is a good, bad, or neutral sign as far as the product's actual effectiveness in hairloss

like you would think if the stuff works, one company would try to hold onto it exclusively, then again if it does work then maybe multiple companies would be trying very hard to get ahold of it, hence what we are seeing here

does anyone know where are all of these products are coming from? So dermaheal is a line of products from an actual company called dermaheal? I just don't get it

but i do feel that all of these places carrying it for awhile and no real buzz about it does not sound really good for its effectiveness, does not mean i will not try it, but makes me suspicious

Jacob, it sounds like you are very interested in the dermaheal stem crum stuff, but what do you think about the other dermaheal HL or the many other dermaheal products that are very similar to the HL? What exactly, besides the stability issue and the mixing, makes the stem crum stuff so much better? it is certainly much more expensive. I only ask because you have always seemed really knowledgeable and realistic. Thanks!

Dermaheal is made by Caregen. IMO some of these other products being discussed are also made by Caregen. "Dermaheal USA Corp. is a subsidiary of the Caregen Ltd. Co"

On the stem C'rum...it seems it's not a two-part system after all. You can see the pictures of the vials on those pdf's...they're the same type of vials A&G uses. I'm more interested in the C'rum because it's a new(er) product. The others have been around a lot longer, and yet I've never seen much happening with them. But my guess is one could just as well use A&G's product. And..my guess again..is that it should probably be used like the C'rum..once a week..continuously.

The Stem C'Rum HL is lyophilized (freeze dried), and the directions indicate you need to combine the two things (even though the picture doesn't really show it).

It seems like the Stem C'Rum has all the universal information (for the whole Stem C'Rum line) listed under itself (the info on how to combine the vials etc), which leads me to believe that the HL is probably nanoencapsulated.

I emailed them for pricing on both the Stem C'Rum HL and Dermaheal HL. I'm not sure what the difference is in terms of potential results, but I think Stem is newer, so that's probably the way to go.

but bFGF(basic Fibroblast Growth Factor) is a specific growth factor and not the source. anyway it doesn't really matter. hair complex might be made by caregen and it might not be made by caregen. the only thing that matters is the results

My head just exploded. How many hair loss products out there? Geez, thousands I would say. All a mystery, and I believe there is one out that that's amazing but it's undiscovered due to not many people trying it.

so if i wanted to try any of these right now would not be a good time because we don't really know whether these things came from caregen or not and whether or not they are nano encapsulated? Man, I hate hairloss, it is one dead end after another until you just decide on shaving your head down

Doing some research on both Dermaheal and LA Science products it seems they are different. Dermaheal appears to be using Human recombant protiens and LA Science only the mimicking peptides. Probably why its cheaper. Here's what I found.

OK, final thoughts; I get the feeling LA science is simply trying to mimic Dermaheal but in a cheaper manner by only using the mimicking peptides.LA Science talks about Oligopeptide – 5, Oligopeptide – 16, Oligopeptide – 18, on their website but to my knowledge they are not in the product, perhaps they have updated the ingredients? I don't know. somebody should Email them and ask... or if anyone has purchased it scan the ingredient list. Also the ingredient list I have has the growth peptides listed at the bottom of the list.. where Dermaheal has its growth factors listed at the top... I'm not sure if that reflects on the amount contained in the serum or not, but it could.

no problem man, afterall you got me started on the whole growth factor train. If anyone is interested I purchased one bottle of each to see exactly whats in them and do a little testing. I think it might be a good strategy to use several different factors, even if they do the same thing, rather than overloading on just a few. So I'm going to try alternating between the two. My only real concern is low amount of factors on the LA Science list.. if the ranking is at all any indication of the amount of growth peptides.. I hate when companies water down their product.

Jacob thank you also for letting me know about growth factors, I am truthfuly thankful. So can you let us know about the results of the dermaheal maybe start a thread like a&g. I am waiting to buy this cause I am broke. But all this is very exciting