Post by Eli the Beardedhttp://arstechnica.com/business/2016/02/google-fiber-coming-to-san-francisco-using-someone-elses-fiber/http://googlefiberblog.blogspot.com/2016/02/san-francisco-google-fiber.htmlNo details about what areas will have service.

Google will be using dark fiber to connect some condos, apartments,and housing projects. Here is a somewhat political article about that.I unlocked this article for 47 hours. I can unlock it again if youlike.

Post by David ArnsteinGoogle will be using dark fiber to connect some condos, apartments,and housing projects. Here is a somewhat political article about that.I unlocked this article for 47 hours. I can unlock it again if youlike.https://pando.com/2016/02/25/google-finds-way-bring-fiber-sf-without-drama/9a280060ff3a088a05932d2e09ac8696a488a652/

I feel like I didn't learn anything new from that, just the spin onwhy Google didn't try to put it's own fiber in, spin I pretty much couldhave guessed. Someone has been running fiber through the Castro, and I'mpretty sure it is AT&T, but they have made no effort to sell me it oralert me that I could buy it from them at some future date.

Elijah------passes one of the "ugly" sidewalk boxes while walking the dog

Post by David Arnsteinhttps://pando.com/2016/02/25/google-finds-way-bring-fiber-sf-without-drama/9a280060ff3a088a05932d2e09ac8696a488a652/

Thanks for this. What a horrible, horrible, horrible article. The writergoes on and on about the board of supes dragging their feet on installationof fiber, and talk about boxes cluttering up SF's "pristine sidewalks"without acknowledging that in many neighborhoods it's nearly impossible towalk down streets without bumping into boxes of one sort or another. SF isa walking city. And people in wheelchairs are supposed to get enoughclearance by law to be able to maneuver their chairs.

First there was ATTBI (AT&T Broadband Internet), which connected cables.Then they sold ATTBI to Comcast, which added more cables. Then AT&T comesback and says they have to do the entire city with NEW boxes because theywere at a competitive disadvantage against Comcast! If they were so worriedabout competition, why did they sell their internet service to Comcast inthe first place?

What's more is that there was already all kinds of fibre underground fromthe likes of RCN and others, what John Higdon called "dark cable that nobodywants". At the time he made that comment I said that the dark fibre was anextremely good asset to have for the future. Well, I must be one of thoseGoogle PhD thinkers because that's exactly what Google has in mind.

But as for dragging one's feet, the reason why SF continues to be a paradisefor so many people is becasue it's a walkable, pretty city. I am in favorof requiring companies to jump through hoops to make sure that their visionfits OURS. Will those companies go elsewhere? So what if they do. SF isalready overcrowded with anything you can name: traffic, sidewalks, peoplein line at Safeway at 9pm. So, go ahead, take your business elsewhere,Google or whoever.

But, no, Google is NOT taking their business elsewhere. And congrats topeople like Aaron Peskin who can easily call a bluff and who is not allstarry-eyed by tech. Wish that mayor Ed Lee wouldn't keep selling us out tothe likes of the NFL, Larry Ellison, etc. Damn, I wish Ed Lee would becaught in his bribery scandal and get some jail time.

Post by Eli the Beardedhttp://arstechnica.com/business/2016/02/google-fiber-coming-to-san-francisco-using-someone-elses-fiber/http://googlefiberblog.blogspot.com/2016/02/san-francisco-google-fiber.htmlNo details about what areas will have service.