(06-05-2015 06:38 AM)houseofcantor Wrote: One can illustrate the complexities of moral relativism without being a total douchebag. As a public figure, it's a responsibility he's shirking.

I don't think that's the case. I find that in order see that moral relativism is a sham, strong examples are needed.

I have to make my examples stronger and stronger, to get Stevel to acknowledge that there is right and wrong, and it's not just matter of his likes and dislikes. And that's because folks like him are more committed to this belief, like the victim in the Duck Dynasty guy's example.

(06-05-2015 06:38 AM)houseofcantor Wrote: One can illustrate the complexities of moral relativism without being a total douchebag. As a public figure, it's a responsibility he's shirking.

I don't think that's the case. I find that in order see that moral relativism is a sham, strong examples are needed.

I have to make my examples stronger and stronger, to get Stevel to acknowledge that there is right and wrong, and it's not just matter of his likes and dislikes. And that's because folks like him are more committed to this belief, like the victim in the Duck Dynasty guy's example.

The sham is absolute morality. All examples are localized. The instinct towards moral absolutism is evolutionarily hard-wired, it's not a thing in itself. I can understand the emotional need to project a set of conditionals towards the general populous, especially in terms of societal regulation, however absolutism is untenable. That too is evolutionary.

Oh, and he's a douchebag because he's a douchebag. The localized example need not be graphically expressed.

You should perhaps tell that to Stevel, who once was a poor moral relativist, until some believers goaded him like the Duck Dynasty guy, and he was forced to abandoned this too, and now he's broken, and doesn't believe in morality at all, and can't bring himself to use words like "right" or "wrong" anymore.

Believers like the Duck Dynasty guy, see the line between moral realism, and stevel's predicament as a thin one, once moral realism is dismissed as a sham.

(06-05-2015 01:33 AM)CleverUsername Wrote: I always find it funny, cause people jackasses who say things that this would probably be the first people to be targeted by atheists if we genuinely had no concept of right and wrong and felt we could do whatever we wanted.

What's scary to me is that it sounds like "god" is keeping him from doing all these things himself.

"Let the waters settle and you will see the moon and stars mirrored in your own being." -Rumi

(06-05-2015 02:19 AM)Szuchow Wrote: I hadn't heard something so idiotic and disgusting in a long time. Sheer idiocy of his speech leave me stunned. No god=no morality is idiotic concept, but then what one could expect from one capable of uttering such rubbish.

I like your new avatar--totally suits you lol

"Let the waters settle and you will see the moon and stars mirrored in your own being." -Rumi