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You have come a long way over these past few years with your temper and all, and even if we don't see exactly eye to eye on issues of faith I count you as a brother seeking to honor our Lord. Given the non-religious nature of our relationship with God I know we all make mistakes and fall back on our long term sinful nature from time to time as we are not perfect, only forgiven.

I never saw Jason flip you anything other than respect and friendship, of course I could have missed something but certainly not in this thread. So when I read the emails from your post corrections I knew you would feel bad about how you were treating Jason and once you cooled off would make it right.

I guess I am still waiting for you too cool off and re-read if you need to..

God Speed Bro

David

__________________Mobile FAL Armorer
"Will build for Beer"

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." -Patrick Henry

....right up until they put out the "you didn't serve so you're......"

I didn't actually see him say that, so I must have missed the intent from both sides here.

What I thought I saw was one guy who's a friend say to another guy who's a friend, something like this:

"So, busting Marines in a Navy town looks like a rookie mistake - I'll have to get the stories from you." Included with a smiley face, which means he's joking - probably not about the "...get stories from you" part, but the "rookie mistake" part. Looks like he's having fun, and its not even at your expense, really.

Obviously I missed something.

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"I love you, Pluskat..." - brunop

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson

"The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press." - Thomas Jefferson

A dude doesn't get to throw out..."7 months of Pluskat tin hairs" and "Tiger Cruise" and "Rookie Cop" and then crayfish away from it and say he WASN'T intending them as "jabs".

I am MORE than willing to give those who have served in our military the respect and thanks due them (whether they saw combat or not)....right up until they put out the "you didn't serve so you're......"

You wanna flick me crap and push my buttons and get me all riled up?...go for it. I'll take it and afterward be willing to shoot, smoke a cigar, and drink whiskey with you. What I WON'T do is stand here and take it without giving as good as I get.

If my quick temper provides you with some sort of amusement, then please...seek other entertainment. I'm not here for that and life's tough enough right now.

Wow, didn't know I was trying to get you going. I will explain:

Tin Hairs = worrying about FA and other stuff at the shoot. Pages of that
from last year.

Tiger Cruise= If you knew, why the problem?

Rookie= by your own admission it was your first job, thus the term rookie,
like in football or baseball. Would you have preffered "Red Shirt Freshman?"

Stories= maybe some funny anecdotal ones. I'm sure no one wants to hear
about the bad things you had to see and endure.

I don't know where the hell you got "because you didn't serve" from. I could give 2 shits if you served or not, and I never have put down anyone for not
doing so.

Obviously you looked WAY too deep in what I said.

And I don't crayfish, or delete my posts. Have a good week.

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"An eye for an eye makes us all blind."

Ghandi

"We, here in America, hold in our hands the hopes of the world, the fate of the coming years; and shame and disgrace will be ours if in our eyes the light of high resolve is dimmed, if we trail in the dust the golden hopes of men."

Tin Hairs = worrying about FA and other stuff at the shoot. Pages of that
from last year.uh...you SAID "Tin Hairs from Pluskat"...and ALL of the "worry posts" on the FA topic were from me, right?

Tiger Cruise= If you knew, why the problem?and the relevance to me being on one so you "wouldn't have to deal with it" was?

Rookie= by your own admission it was your first job, thus the term rookie,
like in football or baseball. Would you have preffered "Red Shirt Freshman?"so the current Commandant of the Marine Corps is a "rookie" because he's still on his..."first job" in the military? bollocks

Obviously you looked WAY too deep in what I said.perhaps...but I don't think so

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." -Patrick Henry

By the way, you were right Pluskat. After scanning 20 pages, you were not
the only person with tin foil(hairs) about the FA. I found one post by 4x401.

Sorry.

References can be found on Pgs 7, 11, and 19 of last years thread.
Sadly some where erased, but some of your posts are ironic and have wisdom.

When I typed Tiger Cruise, this is what I got:

Pluskat-"Tiger Cruise"....thus sayeth the guy who was 'in the shit eating his own guts and asking for thirds'....right? I mean...that WAS you, right?
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"Son.....your mother and me would like for you to cozy up to the Finkelstein boy."

Have I ever given you reason to think I am Billy? This post might bug others less than me.

I ask you if you know what it is, and I get this diatribe:

"Pluskat"-Uh, yep. The Enterprise, Carl Vinson, their tender ships and several missile frigates frequented the NAS in the first city I worked as a police officer. I could've arranged to go on a Tiger Cruise through a variety of contacts at the base. However, the base had no "shore patrol" and the main drag nearest the base was 7 blocks long with 11 bars. We were kept verrrry busy with drunken brawls and sailors who fell victim to the locals. Off-base housing also provided a wealth of "activity" that required our involvement, so...as to the concept of spending time on one of those boats out at sea...

.....there was the little matter of the fact that I arrested multitudes of Sailors and Marines off those boats...some of those arrests included the generous application of a side-handle baton...and I had no intention of having one of them recognize me and arrange for a "slip and fall overboard" episode.
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"Son.....your mother and me would like for you to cozy up to the Finkelstein boy."

Can't figure where "I had to bother?" And you didn't bother to give the info.
According to this post, you didn't go on one because of personal safety?

"Pluskat"-so the current Commandant of the Marine Corps is a "rookie" because he's still on his..."first job" in the military? bollocks

This is just stupid. Do they give rookie cops Chief of Police first day out?
Biggest Apple/Orange argument, and it seems you are looking for one.

Tell you what. Jury of peers decides. 7 out of 12 OR Faler's say I slighted
you on the net, I will make a public apology for calling you "Rookie."

I like you and consider you a good person. Don't know where this is
coming from.

Oh, and a list of things I have been "Rookie" at:

Making love to a women
My first day at MEPS
My first day at Basic
The day I asked my wife to marry me
The second I held my daughter in my hands when she was born.

Get over the rookie thing.

__________________
"An eye for an eye makes us all blind."

Ghandi

"We, here in America, hold in our hands the hopes of the world, the fate of the coming years; and shame and disgrace will be ours if in our eyes the light of high resolve is dimmed, if we trail in the dust the golden hopes of men."

By the way, you were right Pluskat. After scanning 20 pages, you were not
the only person with tin foil(hairs) about the FA. I found one post by 4x401.

Sorry.uh...."apology" accepted

When I typed Tiger Cruise, this is what I got:

Pluskat-"Tiger Cruise"....thus sayeth the guy who was 'in the shit eating his own guts and asking for thirds'....right? I mean...that WAS you, right?
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Have I ever given you reason to think I am Billy? This post might bug others less than me.First...and again...let's get your quote CORRECT....you didn't type just Tiger Cruise....you typed "Actually we might not have to worry. He might be on a Tiger Cruise."
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Can't figure where "I had to bother?" And you didn't bother to give the info.
According to this post, you didn't go on one because of personal safety?ok then...I'll bother- Your Tiger Cruise statement was insulting and hit me wrong on two levels. First, it implies that my involvement/input on the Fal Shoot is a "bother" and it would be better if I was "elsewhere". Jason, I've been to EVERY one of these things. I've helped less than others from time to time, but...I've helped where/when I could at ALL 6 of em. Second, my "opinion" of those who go on Tiger Cruises has been formed by the Navy Police/K9 Officers I interacted with over the years. That's to say that they regarded the civilians as "wanna be's" at best, and a PITA on the ships. Hence the insulting nature of the comment. What's that you say? I received it wrong? Well then, by all means, please explain how the concept of my being on a Tiger Cruise even came up in the first place. IOW- what did you mean by it if not as a dig? I'd really like to hear how you thought it relevant.

"Pluskat"-so the current Commandant of the Marine Corps is a "rookie" because he's still on his..."first job" in the military? bollocks

This is just stupid. Do they give rookie cops Chief of Police first day out?
Biggest Apple/Orange argument, and it seems you are looking for one.Fuk That....it was INTENDED as a jab and you know it. Don't crayfish now boy.

Tell you what. Jury of peers decides. 7 out of 12 OR Faler's say I slighted
you on the net, I will make a public apology for calling you "Rookie."Dont' think I'll accept that one...you wouldn't mean it. B'sides...if you turn to a consensus before deciding whether or not someone who you say you like, is justified in feeling like you wronged them then....

I like you and consider you a good person. Don't know where this is
coming from.It's coming from a guy who's MORE than willing to sling it back at you....just not willing to let you be the only one slinging.

um Marlin I believe the "he" in that was not you at all but was either Jason or someone associated with same.. just the way I read it bro.

and I'm butting in here only because you are both friends and you and I went this route a few years ago because of misunderstood text.

ETA: by the way though your and Jason's current misunderstanding is far more important I don't see you answering my comments, wth?

also per your PM I watched the first video entirely - no time to watch others atm.

now I have to go put down an old friend and furry companion. GN

__________________Mobile FAL Armorer
"Will build for Beer"

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." -Patrick Henry

By the way, you were right Pluskat. After scanning 20 pages, you were not
the only person with tin foil(hairs) about the FA. I found one post by 4x401.

Sorry.

References can be found on Pgs 7, 11, and 19 of last years thread.
Sadly some where erased, but some of your posts are ironic and have wisdom.

When I typed Tiger Cruise, this is what I got:

Pluskat-"Tiger Cruise"....thus sayeth the guy who was 'in the shit eating his own guts and asking for thirds'....right? I mean...that WAS you, right?
__________________
"Son.....your mother and me would like for you to cozy up to the Finkelstein boy."

Have I ever given you reason to think I am Billy? This post might bug others less than me.

I ask you if you know what it is, and I get this diatribe:

"Pluskat"-Uh, yep. The Enterprise, Carl Vinson, their tender ships and several missile frigates frequented the NAS in the first city I worked as a police officer. I could've arranged to go on a Tiger Cruise through a variety of contacts at the base. However, the base had no "shore patrol" and the main drag nearest the base was 7 blocks long with 11 bars. We were kept verrrry busy with drunken brawls and sailors who fell victim to the locals. Off-base housing also provided a wealth of "activity" that required our involvement, so...as to the concept of spending time on one of those boats out at sea...

.....there was the little matter of the fact that I arrested multitudes of Sailors and Marines off those boats...some of those arrests included the generous application of a side-handle baton...and I had no intention of having one of them recognize me and arrange for a "slip and fall overboard" episode.
__________________
"Son.....your mother and me would like for you to cozy up to the Finkelstein boy."

Can't figure where "I had to bother?" And you didn't bother to give the info.
According to this post, you didn't go on one because of personal safety?

"Pluskat"-so the current Commandant of the Marine Corps is a "rookie" because he's still on his..."first job" in the military? bollocks

This is just stupid. Do they give rookie cops Chief of Police first day out?
Biggest Apple/Orange argument, and it seems you are looking for one.

Tell you what. Jury of peers decides. 7 out of 12 OR Faler's say I slighted
you on the net, I will make a public apology for calling you "Rookie."

I like you and consider you a good person. Don't know where this is
coming from.

Oh, and a list of things I have been "Rookie" at:

Making love to a women
My first day at MEPS
My first day at Basic
The day I asked my wife to marry me
The second I held my daughter in my hands when she was born.

Get over the rookie thing. ETA: You forgot all the quote.

And done.

Again, your supposed tiger cruise diatribe is baseless.
How does it affect your status as to what you have done
in the Files shoots? This was never in question.

I have "votes" on my side because people don't SEE anything.

Gunplumber for Judge.

Your moody/lone dog attitude has tired me.

Have fun next year.

__________________
"An eye for an eye makes us all blind."

Ghandi

"We, here in America, hold in our hands the hopes of the world, the fate of the coming years; and shame and disgrace will be ours if in our eyes the light of high resolve is dimmed, if we trail in the dust the golden hopes of men."

And BTW, I wear black Latex when I roll around on the hood of MY Jeep!

Just as bad, sir, Just as bad...

Youse bouys got this thread jamming don'cha!
All that talk about sniffing butts and shit was true after all.
Eventually somebody gets nipped. Sorry to see the two of you disturbed.
Maybe the fluffy posts could go away to keep the thread on track and not discourage newbz?

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When the moment of truth arrives, KNOW that YOU are already DEAD! Then ACT, that you may save the lives of those around you. If you are lucky, or well prepared, you too, may survive to tell about it.

Youse bouys got this thread jamming don'cha!
All that talk about sniffing butts and shit was true after all.
Eventually somebody gets nipped. Sorry to see the two of you disturbed.
Maybe the fluffy posts could go away to keep the thread on track and not discourage newbz?

How about not fret about all 11 questions and worry
about one 6 barrelled opportunity?

Oh yeah, I started it. 7 months of Pluskat tin hairs.

Actually we might not have to worry. He might be on a Tiger Cruise.

Sentence 1 = forget the questions, and let's rock a gatling gun
Sentence 2 = Oh, yeah - Pluskat's going to be worrying about the Feds again (and this was offered by you in good fun - with all of us understanding that)
Sentence 3 = Actually, we might not have to worry. He might be on a Tiger Cruise.

Problem is that "he" looks like it refers to the guy you were just talking about - which is Pluskat. And in his old world (policing sailors and marines off duty), Tiger Cruises weren't cool opportunities for people getting on the boat, they were shit duty for sailors who had to baby-sit political douchebags 24/7/365 - even to the john with them. Basically adult baby-sitting for screw-ups. Which meant that the "rookie cop" thing, which is not a big deal by itself, was just added to the fire. If you look at the "he" being directed at Pluskat, it goes like this:

1. Gatling gun - FTW!!
2. Pluskat will be whining again
3. Don't worry - he'll prolly miss it, because he and his PITA attitude will be being baby-sat somewhere else - by people who actually served in the military (Navy)

Now I know (and I think most people took it this way), that "he" referred to our friend from Idaho who might own a "six-barrelled" opportunity to rock - who might not make it this year because he's got the chance to get on a carrier from Hawaii to San Diego. I knew this the moment you wrote it - in spite of the fact that I had to go back and read it twice - since the "he", which normally refers to the guy you were just talking about, followed Pluskat's name - not the big D's name.

This is made more clear by the fact that you were saying stuff like "I love you guys, too, but I'd miss the FAL shoot for a Tiger Cruise, too", and other stuff like that.

Bottom line: Pluskat is in a bad way right now, and is dealing with some heavy shit. Which news he got that same day. And he thought you were saying that he was a PITA who might miss the FAL Shoot to go off and be babysat by anyone but us, which would be good for the rest of us.

You didn't mean any of that - but the rest was down hill. I know this is a bad misunderstanding - nothing meant by either side. I strongly suggest that you continue your plans to attend, so PSL54Junkie's idea above can be consummated by the two of you. Maybe after a couple of PMs from each side.

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"I love you, Pluskat..." - brunop

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson

"The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press." - Thomas Jefferson

Bottom line: Pluskat is in a bad way right now, and is dealing with some heavy shit. Which news he got that same day. And he thought you were saying that he was a PITA who might miss the FAL Shoot to go off and be babysat by anyone but us, which would be good for the rest of us.

You didn't mean any of that - but the rest was down hill. I know this is a bad misunderstanding - nothing meant by either side. I strongly suggest that you continue your plans to attend, so PSL54Junkie's idea above can be consummated by the two of you. Maybe after a couple of PMs from each side.

And herein lies the problem. If you go through life looking for negatives, you will find it every time.

But my time is best finding positives.

I did or said nothing wrong and will stand as so.

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"An eye for an eye makes us all blind."

Ghandi

"We, here in America, hold in our hands the hopes of the world, the fate of the coming years; and shame and disgrace will be ours if in our eyes the light of high resolve is dimmed, if we trail in the dust the golden hopes of men."

I wasn't saying you did anything wrong. I also said that I 'got' what you were saying, and that I expected that most people did, too. And you, and everyone, saw that I gave you the "well played" .

I merely pointed out that typically people who read English expect a pronoun to 'modify' or 'refer to' the proper noun (person) directly preceding it. Pluskat did just that - and understood that he was the 'object' of the word "he". And then he went negative.

I'm not telling you or asking you to do anything. Just saying that it was a misunderstanding that looks to me like it is based on unclear sentence structure (yours), and a bad attitude at the wrong time (his).

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"I love you, Pluskat..." - brunop

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson

"The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press." - Thomas Jefferson

Jason,
I won't do this with a PM since it's not fair to have everyone else watch the whole season of the soap opera...and then not get to see the 'season finale'.

....here's where the problem started...

Quote:

Oh yeah, I started it. 7 months of Pluskat tin hairs.

Actually we might not have to worry. He might be on a Tiger Cruise.

The first line was directed at me and couldn't possibly be taken as anything but "less than positive". The second line immediately follows the first, and I can't see how I was supposed to know you weren't talking about me. Then, you follow those up with putting 'rookie' into the mix.

I couldn't understand what was motivating your posts that I obviously didn't take as 'joking', but I also wasn't going to be silent.

Now, as this thing started to deteriorate...and it was clear that your intent behind the statements had been 'misread'...I have to ask, why you did not simply clarify? Please don't say you did....initially. You defended...you inferred I was wrong...but you didn't really attempt to clarify until I had obviously gone down the wrong road. You appeared content to let me spool up as you stood by and looked around at others saying "can you believe this guy?"

and for the record...you've added an additional insult....

Quote:

Your moody/lone dog attitude has tired me.

....and implied that you won't be attending the next shoot.

Really?!? You'd actually miss the shoot because I'm "moody"? How does a guy go from cooking me a steak for breakfast (instead of the sausage everyone else was eating) out of respect for my religious convictions...and then, because I'm moody, decide to bag the next year's shoot?
(I had a hard time eating that steak btw 'cuz of the lump in my throat over the respect shown by your effort)

Don't miss the shoot because of me. If you'd like, I'll consider myself served with a 'restraining order' and I won't stand/camp/eat/shoot near you the entire weekend. What's that....ridiculous?....yeah, it makes about as much sense as you missing the shoot 'cuz you think I'm moody. Do you think I like everyone that attends....or, think that everyone likes ME?...hardly, but I'll be good and damned if I'll let someone I dislike...or who can't stand me...is gonna keep me from showing up if I choose to go.

This is the internet. Stuff gets twisted and original intent misses/gets missed. We BOTH should've kept that in mind throughout this mess.
(and for the record....I've NEVER asked you for an apology...it's the internet)

Jason,
I won't do this with a PM since it's not fair to have everyone else watch the whole season of the soap opera...and then not get to see the 'season finale'.

....here's where the problem started...

The first line was directed at me and couldn't possibly be taken as anything but "less than positive". The second line immediately follows the first, and I can't see how I was supposed to know you weren't talking about me. Then, you follow those up with putting 'rookie' into the mix.

I couldn't understand what was motivating your posts that I obviously didn't take as 'joking', but I also wasn't going to be silent.

Now, as this thing started to deteriorate...and it was clear that your intent behind the statements had been 'misread'...I have to ask, why you did not simply clarify? Please don't say you did....initially. You defended...you inferred I was wrong...but you didn't really attempt to clarify until I had obviously gone down the wrong road. You appeared content to let me spool up as you stood by and looked around at others saying "can you believe this guy?"

and for the record...you've added an additional insult....

....and implied that you won't be attending the next shoot.

Really?!? You'd actually miss the shoot because I'm "moody"? How does a guy go from cooking me a steak for breakfast (instead of the sausage everyone else was eating) out of respect for my religious convictions...and then, because I'm moody, decide to bag the next year's shoot?
(I had a hard time eating that steak btw 'cuz of the lump in my throat over the respect shown by your effort)

Don't miss the shoot because of me. If you'd like, I'll consider myself served with a 'restraining order' and I won't stand/camp/eat/shoot near you the entire weekend. What's that....ridiculous?....yeah, it makes about as much sense as you missing the shoot 'cuz you think I'm moody. Do you think I like everyone that attends....or, think that everyone likes ME?...hardly, but I'll be good and damned if I'll let someone I dislike...or who can't stand me...is gonna keep me from showing up if I choose to go.

This is the internet. Stuff gets twisted and original intent misses/gets missed. We BOTH should've kept that in mind throughout this mess.
(and for the record....I've NEVER asked you for an apology...it's the internet)

Done with this brother. Hope you can be too.

__________________
"An eye for an eye makes us all blind."

Ghandi

"We, here in America, hold in our hands the hopes of the world, the fate of the coming years; and shame and disgrace will be ours if in our eyes the light of high resolve is dimmed, if we trail in the dust the golden hopes of men."

Storming like a bidge over here, looking forward to some nice blow down firewood and milling fodder.

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This is not a debating society. If one is not willing to commit their lives and their honor to the restoration of liberty, I have no counsel to offer. For those who get it, I am with you.

Rich if you had not brought your arm candy to the last shoot this kind of stuff would really scar me ..

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4x401

Thanks alot for that picture Darren.

And BTW, I wear black Latex when I roll around on the hood of MY Jeep!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4x401

It's kinda off topic,
but has anyone here used any of the common erectile dysfunction drugs?

__________________Mobile FAL Armorer
"Will build for Beer"

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." -Patrick Henry

Are you going to be around over Thanksgiving? I'm going to need a locking shoulder to complete raglass's rifle build when he gets in town.

sure Rich I'll be around town, in and out of the house but we can make it happen.

and I picked up a battery for the calipers lol

David

__________________Mobile FAL Armorer
"Will build for Beer"

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." -Patrick Henry

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This is not a debating society. If one is not willing to commit their lives and their honor to the restoration of liberty, I have no counsel to offer. For those who get it, I am with you.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. I'm thankful for the friends I've made on the Files. You all are a great bunch of people.

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"I love you, Pluskat..." - brunop

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson

"The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press." - Thomas Jefferson

"The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press." - Thomas Jefferson

Okay - do your best, and don't let the bastards grind you down. Thanks for your service. Get ready to keep your oath.

Peace.

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"I love you, Pluskat..." - brunop

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson

"The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press." - Thomas Jefferson