Let me expand on a cycle I'm toying with. I know a lot of bodybuilders do test prop pre contest, but from what I've read....test is test, half life is the only difference.

Therefore I'd like to stick with a longer half life version like Test E or Cyp. Let me know what you think of this cycle? Also note that I've never done tren so this may be a risk to use the last 2 weeks with the BP, shortness of breath sides.

i would run the test longer... just take care of some things so you don't bloat. use the adex and watch sodium intake. some people will probably disagree but that's me...

Yeah, that was my logic to drop the test and dry out. Sometimes test can bloat the belly, but maybe it can be controlled.

What about the tren at the end? This would be my first time with Tren, and have read some concerning side effects (shortness of breath, etc.). At the same time, I've heard a ton of praises about it. Such a shame that the best products carry the most side effects LOL.

Yeah, that was my logic to drop the test and dry out. Sometimes test can bloat the belly, but maybe it can be controlled.

What about the tren at the end? This would be my first time with Tren, and have read some concerning side effects (shortness of breath, etc.). At the same time, I've heard a ton of praises about it. Such a shame that the best products carry the most side effects LOL.

aye steroids are no "magic pill" huh? I see people on all kinds of roids who are like not even strong or buff looking.

Um this is the contest prep section I doubt anyone in here is looking for a magic pill they are looking to get onstage these aren't people who are not new to lifting or just getting back in shape. And unless he's doing a "natural" contest i'd say 100% of his comp is going to be on the juice also

dont say something and not back it. Tren has sides and can cause a little cough from the ether detaching so fast and interfereing with the lungs, not worth explaining it all.
People who juice and dont grow either got ripped or dont eat right and traint right, decideto go party, basically clowns like guidos(no offens eot anyone hard to explain without using such a common term)

EDIT: But some compounds wont build, only maintain or help strength, just wanted to say that.

"My bad" you really tried to prove a point there. The only reason this/these post of yours bothered me is i just saw another pointless one in the CEL Formestane thread you prolly had no idea what you were agreeing with.

I would say Tren or Prop, Winny, Clen, Masteron would be solid if you could get that.

It comes down to how much you need to lose? this isnt gaining time it only cutting. To high dose of test and youll end up sloppy and "round"

I would say got to MD.com some of those guys have solid cycles pre-contest.

run everythign through the show. idk why anyone would drop test four weeks out that makes zero sence and you asking for a serious loss of muscle. not worth it. bloating isnt generally a problem due to an anti estregon, and a low carb diet.

run everythign through the show. idk why anyone would drop test four weeks out that makes zero sence and you asking for a serious loss of muscle. not worth it. bloating isnt generally a problem due to an anti estregon, and a low carb diet.

NOT a 100% but definately a contributing factor IMO. i mean think about it, your getting leaner and leaner, which means your body is looking for energy anywhere it can get it, then you drop the one thing that helping you maintain muscle the best. Just doenst make sense to me. I mean lets be serious you can take all the BCAA's you want but its nothing compared to Test for muscle preservation during a serious calorie deficit.

NOT a 100% but definately a contributing factor IMO. i mean think about it, your getting leaner and leaner, which means your body is looking for energy anywhere it can get it, then you drop the one thing that helping you maintain muscle the best. Just doenst make sense to me. I mean lets be serious you can take all the BCAA's you want but its nothing compared to Test for muscle preservation during a serious calorie deficit.

When your on Masteron/EQ/Tren/Winstrol.....dropping the Test IS NOT AN ISSUE. There is virtually no chance for an water issues that can some from Test this way.

but, Pulumbo recommends keeping everything constant as less chance for a rebound to occur in the weeks coming up to a show. and i trust what he says lol

no not really perhaps, all AAS are testosterone derived so it's not like your stopping everything and letting ur natual testosterone try and work again without anything there. Guys stop using test 2 weeks before they start PCT and they dont lose anything? Sometimes 4 when using things like Deca and EQ. It's because theyre still in the system.

Some of Palumbo's stuff on gh/igf-1/aas etc. is pretty scetchy. Have you ever see him on stage? He was a bloated, barrel stomach looking mess.

no not really perhaps, all AAS are testosterone derived so it's not like your stopping everything and letting ur natual testosterone try and work again without anything there. Guys stop using test 2 weeks before they start PCT and they dont lose anything? Sometimes 4 when using things like Deca and EQ. It's because theyre still in the system.

Some of Palumbo's stuff on gh/igf-1/aas etc. is pretty scetchy. Have you ever see him on stage? He was a bloated, barrel stomach looking mess.

i never drop test period, nothing keeps muscle bellies fuller. you can get very dry and very hard with test tren mast and aromasin.

in reguards to palumbos gut, it is most likely due to the fact that he experimented with long term igf, gh, and insulin use, coupled with high doses of steroids and the ****tiest genetics humanly possible.

i never drop test period, nothing keeps muscle bellies fuller. you can get very dry and very hard with test tren mast and aromasin.
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You can also without it. AI's can lead to a number of problems (health and overall 'feel' wise) so using it to off-set water from test, is silly in my opinion. Easier and healthier to just drop off the test. and let the other compounds work their magic.