What's called reality? The fact that all were first-rounders? I thought so.

Or, are you claiming that a #13 pick is automatically supposed to be a guaranteed star just because he falls in the "lottery" group, while a #21 pick is allowed to skate by riding the pines because he's picked soooooooooo much later than a lottery pick? That's what your bu**-buddy seems to be claiming.

— Posted by still heelman1973

Not at all. But tell us what awards Hanztravel won while in college and what expectations normally come with those awards.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

Based on another local who won those awards, I'd say a lengthy, but very average NBA career.

What's called reality? The fact that all were first-rounders? I thought so.

Or, are you claiming that a #13 pick is automatically supposed to be a guaranteed star just because he falls in the "lottery" group, while a #21 pick is allowed to skate by riding the pines because he's picked soooooooooo much later than a lottery pick? That's what your bu**-buddy seems to be claiming.

— Posted by still heelman1973

Not at all. But tell us what awards Hanztravel won while in college and what expectations normally come with those awards.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

Based on another local who won those awards, I'd say a lengthy, but very average NBA career.

Actually it is called reality. A word that you seem to be very unfamiliar with.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

What's called reality? The fact that all were first-rounders? I thought so.

Or, are you claiming that a #13 pick is automatically supposed to be a guaranteed star just because he falls in the "lottery" group, while a #21 pick is allowed to skate by riding the pines because he's picked soooooooooo much later than a lottery pick? That's what your bu**-buddy seems to be claiming.

— Posted by still heelman1973

Not at all. But tell us what awards Hanztravel won while in college and what expectations normally come with those awards.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

Based on another local who won those awards, I'd say a lengthy, but very average NBA career.

Or to translate: "We dookies just like to talk out of both sides of our mouth".

— Posted by still heelman1973

Actually it is called reality. A word that you seem to be very unfamiliar with.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

What's called reality? The fact that all were first-rounders? I thought so.

Or, are you claiming that a #13 pick is automatically supposed to be a guaranteed star just because he falls in the "lottery" group, while a #21 pick is allowed to skate by riding the pines because he's picked soooooooooo much later than a lottery pick? That's what your bu**-buddy seems to be claiming.

— Posted by still heelman1973

Not at all. But tell us what awards Hanztravel won while in college and what expectations normally come with those awards.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

Based on another local who won those awards, I'd say a lengthy, but very average NBA career.

Or to translate: "We dookies just like to talk out of both sides of our mouth".

— Posted by still heelman1973

Actually it is called reality. A word that you seem to be very unfamiliar with.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

What's called reality? The fact that all were first-rounders? I thought so.

Or, are you claiming that a #13 pick is automatically supposed to be a guaranteed star just because he falls in the "lottery" group, while a #21 pick is allowed to skate by riding the pines because he's picked soooooooooo much later than a lottery pick? That's what your bu**-buddy seems to be claiming.

— Posted by still heelman1973

Not at all. But tell us what awards Hanztravel won while in college and what expectations normally come with those awards.

But, but.... you clowns told us that Hansbrough would be a bust if he didn't immediately become a star. Never mind that he'll have a much longer and more productive NBA career than Smith. And, if a 4-year player can't do it, why should a 2-year player be expected to?

So, which is it? Are 4-year players who get a degree and a NC ring automatically supposed to be NBA stars, or can they just be average players in the league of 360 who will make a good enough living for enough years to see them through their lifetime?

Oh, and change "seen" to "written" in your last sentence, and you nailed it.

— Posted by still heelman1973

Lottery pick vs late 1st rounder vs late 1st rounder

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

So, all first rounders then?

Or to translate: "We dookies just like to talk out of both sides of our mouth".

— Posted by still heelman1973

Actually it is called reality. A word that you seem to be very unfamiliar with.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

What's called reality? The fact that all were first-rounders? I thought so.

Or, are you claiming that a #13 pick is automatically supposed to be a guaranteed star just because he falls in the &quot;lottery&quot; group, while a #21 pick is allowed to skate by riding the pines because he's picked soooooooooo much later than a lottery pick? That's what your bu**-buddy seems to be claiming.

No, but you do realize he played 4 years with a decent coach, is older, should be stronger and more advanced in the development of his skills, and still rides the pine, don't you?

— Posted by still heelman1973

Sorry, but not all college players that play 4 years and get a degree automatically become NBA starters and/or stars.

News flash, maybe he doesnt have the game for the NBA. How many college starters go on to NBA stardome. There are only around 360 NBA jobs and there are 300+ colleges in D1 that play hoops. Law of averages or are you an AFAM grad and have no clue about what I am talking.

That is about as stupid a statement as I have seen from you. And I have seen some pretty stupid statements.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

But, but.... you clowns told us that Hansbrough would be a bust if he didn't immediately become a star. Never mind that he'll have a much longer and more productive NBA career than Smith. And, if a 4-year player can't do it, why should a 2-year player be expected to?

So, which is it? Are 4-year players who get a degree and a NC ring automatically supposed to be NBA stars, or can they just be average players in the league of 360 who will make a good enough living for enough years to see them through their lifetime?

Oh, and change "seen" to "written" in your last sentence, and you nailed it.

— Posted by still heelman1973

Sorry, I never said that about Hansbrough. Way to lump everyone into one group.

And how do you know he will have a much longer and productive career than Nolan?

And, really have no idea why you are so angry. I think you think you "got me" somehow.

Well, you didnt.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

Can't tell the clowns apart without a scorecard.

Intelligence.

Where do you see anger? I merely asked a question. Apparently it does anger you to have someone ask a question you have no answer for.

Where do you see claims of a &quot;gotcha&quot;. You must feel like you were &quot;gotten&quot; to bring it up, though.

Sorry, but not all college players that play 4 years and get a degree automatically become NBA starters and/or stars.

News flash, maybe he doesnt have the game for the NBA. How many college starters go on to NBA stardome. There are only around 360 NBA jobs and there are 300+ colleges in D1 that play hoops. Law of averages or are you an AFAM grad and have no clue about what I am talking.

That is about as stupid a statement as I have seen from you. And I have seen some pretty stupid statements.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

But, but.... you clowns told us that Hansbrough would be a bust if he didn't immediately become a star. Never mind that he'll have a much longer and more productive NBA career than Smith. And, if a 4-year player can't do it, why should a 2-year player be expected to?

So, which is it? Are 4-year players who get a degree and a NC ring automatically supposed to be NBA stars, or can they just be average players in the league of 360 who will make a good enough living for enough years to see them through their lifetime?

Oh, and change "seen" to "written" in your last sentence, and you nailed it.

— Posted by still heelman1973

Lottery pick vs late 1st rounder vs late 1st rounder

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

So, all first rounders then?

Or to translate: "We dookies just like to talk out of both sides of our mouth".

— Posted by still heelman1973

Actually it is called reality. A word that you seem to be very unfamiliar with.

Didn't realize Nolan was a lottery pick, or one that left eligibility on the table because he was in a hurry to cash in on his NBA draft potential just to ride pine and not win a national championship and earn his college degree.

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

No, but you do realize he played 4 years with a decent coach, is older, should be stronger and more advanced in the development of his skills, and still rides the pine, don't you?

— Posted by still heelman1973

Sorry, but not all college players that play 4 years and get a degree automatically become NBA starters and/or stars.

News flash, maybe he doesnt have the game for the NBA. How many college starters go on to NBA stardome. There are only around 360 NBA jobs and there are 300+ colleges in D1 that play hoops. Law of averages or are you an AFAM grad and have no clue about what I am talking.

That is about as stupid a statement as I have seen from you. And I have seen some pretty stupid statements.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

But, but.... you clowns told us that Hansbrough would be a bust if he didn't immediately become a star. Never mind that he'll have a much longer and more productive NBA career than Smith. And, if a 4-year player can't do it, why should a 2-year player be expected to?

So, which is it? Are 4-year players who get a degree and a NC ring automatically supposed to be NBA stars, or can they just be average players in the league of 360 who will make a good enough living for enough years to see them through their lifetime?

Oh, and change "seen" to "written" in your last sentence, and you nailed it.

— Posted by still heelman1973

Sorry, I never said that about Hansbrough. Way to lump everyone into one group.

And how do you know he will have a much longer and productive career than Nolan?

And, really have no idea why you are so angry. I think you think you &quot;got me&quot; somehow.

No, but you do realize he played 4 years with a decent coach, is older, should be stronger and more advanced in the development of his skills, and still rides the pine, don't you?

— Posted by still heelman1973

Sorry, but not all college players that play 4 years and get a degree automatically become NBA starters and/or stars.

News flash, maybe he doesnt have the game for the NBA. How many college starters go on to NBA stardome. There are only around 360 NBA jobs and there are 300+ colleges in D1 that play hoops. Law of averages or are you an AFAM grad and have no clue about what I am talking.

That is about as stupid a statement as I have seen from you. And I have seen some pretty stupid statements.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

But, but.... you clowns told us that Hansbrough would be a bust if he didn't immediately become a star. Never mind that he'll have a much longer and more productive NBA career than Smith. And, if a 4-year player can't do it, why should a 2-year player be expected to?

So, which is it? Are 4-year players who get a degree and a NC ring automatically supposed to be NBA stars, or can they just be average players in the league of 360 who will make a good enough living for enough years to see them through their lifetime?

Oh, and change "seen" to "written" in your last sentence, and you nailed it.

— Posted by still heelman1973

Lottery pick vs late 1st rounder vs late 1st rounder

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

So, all first rounders then?

Or to translate: &quot;We dookies just like to talk out of both sides of our mouth&quot;.

Didn't realize Nolan was a lottery pick, or one that left eligibility on the table because he was in a hurry to cash in on his NBA draft potential just to ride pine and not win a national championship and earn his college degree.

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

No, but you do realize he played 4 years with a decent coach, is older, should be stronger and more advanced in the development of his skills, and still rides the pine, don't you?

— Posted by still heelman1973

Sorry, but not all college players that play 4 years and get a degree automatically become NBA starters and/or stars.

News flash, maybe he doesnt have the game for the NBA. How many college starters go on to NBA stardome. There are only around 360 NBA jobs and there are 300+ colleges in D1 that play hoops. Law of averages or are you an AFAM grad and have no clue about what I am talking.

That is about as stupid a statement as I have seen from you. And I have seen some pretty stupid statements.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

But, but.... you clowns told us that Hansbrough would be a bust if he didn't immediately become a star. Never mind that he'll have a much longer and more productive NBA career than Smith. And, if a 4-year player can't do it, why should a 2-year player be expected to?

So, which is it? Are 4-year players who get a degree and a NC ring automatically supposed to be NBA stars, or can they just be average players in the league of 360 who will make a good enough living for enough years to see them through their lifetime?

Oh, and change "seen" to "written" in your last sentence, and you nailed it.

Portland's Nolan Smith recorded a dnp for almost half their games in 2011-12.

Not a bad thing...coaching staff was just bringing him along sloooooooooooooowly.

Riiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhtttttttt.

— Posted by kato_karma.v3

Didn't realize Nolan was a lottery pick, or one that left eligibility on the table because he was in a hurry to cash in on his NBA draft potential just to ride pine and not win a national championship and earn his college degree.

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

No, but you do realize he played 4 years with a decent coach, is older, should be stronger and more advanced in the development of his skills, and still rides the pine, don't you?

— Posted by still heelman1973

Sorry, but not all college players that play 4 years and get a degree automatically become NBA starters and/or stars.

News flash, maybe he doesnt have the game for the NBA. How many college starters go on to NBA stardome. There are only around 360 NBA jobs and there are 300+ colleges in D1 that play hoops. Law of averages or are you an AFAM grad and have no clue about what I am talking.

That is about as stupid a statement as I have seen from you. And I have seen some pretty stupid statements.

— Posted by randythorntonv3

But, but.... you clowns told us that Hansbrough would be a bust if he didn't immediately become a star. Never mind that he'll have a much longer and more productive NBA career than Smith. And, if a 4-year player can't do it, why should a 2-year player be expected to?

So, which is it? Are 4-year players who get a degree and a NC ring automatically supposed to be NBA stars, or can they just be average players in the league of 360 who will make a good enough living for enough years to see them through their lifetime?

Oh, and change &quot;seen&quot; to &quot;written&quot; in your last sentence, and you nailed it.

Portland's Nolan Smith recorded a dnp for almost half their games in 2011-12.

Not a bad thing...coaching staff was just bringing him along sloooooooooooooowly.

Riiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhtttttttt.

— Posted by kato_karma.v3

Didn't realize Nolan was a lottery pick, or one that left eligibility on the table because he was in a hurry to cash in on his NBA draft potential just to ride pine and not win a national championship and earn his college degree.

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

No, but you do realize he played 4 years with a decent coach, is older, should be stronger and more advanced in the development of his skills, and still rides the pine, don't you?

— Posted by still heelman1973

Sorry, but not all college players that play 4 years and get a degree automatically become NBA starters and/or stars.

News flash, maybe he doesnt have the game for the NBA. How many college starters go on to NBA stardome. There are only around 360 NBA jobs and there are 300+ colleges in D1 that play hoops. Law of averages or are you an AFAM grad and have no clue about what I am talking.

That is about as stupid a statement as I have seen from you. And I have seen some pretty stupid statements.

Portland's Nolan Smith recorded a dnp for almost half their games in 2011-12.

Not a bad thing...coaching staff was just bringing him along sloooooooooooooowly.

Riiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhtttttttt.

— Posted by kato_karma.v3

Didn't realize Nolan was a lottery pick, or one that left eligibility on the table because he was in a hurry to cash in on his NBA draft potential just to ride pine and not win a national championship and earn his college degree.

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

No, but you do realize he played 4 years with a decent coach, is older, should be stronger and more advanced in the development of his skills, and still rides the pine, don't you?

— Posted by still heelman1973

Yes, Nolan made the right choice and made the most of his college career. He was also never projected as a lottery pick so I'm not sure leaving early would have been an option anyway. Especially for a 6'2'' shooting guard.

1st round pick from dook that left eligibility on the table because he was in a hurry to cash in on his NBA draft potential just to ride pine and not win a national championship and earn his college degree?

— Posted by kato_karma.v3

And you know duke fans that thought Avery did the right thing entering the nba draft instead of stay one more year?

Portland's Nolan Smith recorded a dnp for almost half their games in 2011-12.

Not a bad thing...coaching staff was just bringing him along sloooooooooooooowly.

Riiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhtttttttt.

— Posted by kato_karma.v3

Didn't realize Nolan was a lottery pick, or one that left eligibility on the table because he was in a hurry to cash in on his NBA draft potential just to ride pine and not win a national championship and earn his college degree.

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

No, but you do realize he played 4 years with a decent coach, is older, should be stronger and more advanced in the development of his skills, and still rides the pine, don't you?

1st round pick from dook that left eligibility on the table because he was in a hurry to cash in on his NBA draft potential just to ride pine and not win a national championship and earn his college degree?

Portland's Nolan Smith recorded a dnp for almost half their games in 2011-12.

Not a bad thing...coaching staff was just bringing him along sloooooooooooooowly.

Riiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhtttttttt.

— Posted by kato_karma.v3

Didn't realize Nolan was a lottery pick, or one that left eligibility on the table because he was in a hurry to cash in on his NBA draft potential just to ride pine and not win a national championship and earn his college degree.