After doing some hunting around I realized there is no thread to honor, explain, or advise on one of Discraft's most successful discs, The Predator. I've heard that every Discraft pro has one in their bag and it is said by many players over "if you don't have one, get it" but I've also found it hard to find some full blown info on it.

What I've been able to gather so far:-It is obviously an overstable disc that known for being a great wind fighter and good for anything that doesn't require you to go straight or turn very much-Its wonderful utility discs for skips, OH shots, FH, and get out of trouble shots.-There are technically two molds. The current one and then an old mold that has become DGA's Tsunami. (can anyone provide more info on this, dates of change, reason for change, differences between the two molds?) As I understand it, the new mold has a bead (big, small?).-It is currently run in Elite Z, ESP, and FLX. Could anyone clarify the stability differences, and how they break in?-Bradly Walker developed a drill to help address nose down issues using it. Is this disc generally punishing of nose down? Or does it just make it obvious?

I'd also like to know about domes, weights, PLH to look for, and if the whole Discraft color thing seems to come into play with these. And any other info ya'll think would be good.

I haven't bought any yet, but I've been eyeballing them for a long time...

I've been throwing pred since like 07 or so on and off (I switched for a while to spirits) and really love them. They fight the wind really well and unlike many other overstable drivers, penetrate forward as they fade.

The old ones (non-circle stamp with name in center) are the tits, especially the opaque red ones. I have noticed that in general the newer ones with the new DC stamp design are less stable but still plenty stable. This does not apply to the flat ones which are crazy super overstable.

And the original mold pred was only used in the first Z run from my understanding. So if you have a Z pred with the ghost stamped X pred stamp on it, it is a Tsunami. If you have any other pred, it is not a Tsunami.

Own 5 All 168ish so the shape does the work and my arm can range it at less than full crush.

The ESP, both 1st Run and others, are slightly flatter and higher plh than the 2 pre circle stamp Zs. ESP grips fine for cold weather; no need for FLX. I enjoy a pair of teal blues that are totally un-natural colors and very easy to find even in fall.

I actually throw mine more for shaping lines than high winds, and it flies nicely as a mid when spun harder/less air speed. Either huked flat or force started with some anny, it's darned handy for going out past 'x' and then flexing back. You can get more stability from a FBird or even more from a XXX, but they only seem to want to go left soon unless lots of air is going over them.

I am finding that I really like the way a predator breaks in. It seems you can cycle predators through wear (although it takes a while to break them in) to cover all of your stable to overstable fairway driver spots. This is good for mold minimalism.

If any of you guys feel that your trusty z pred is not so trusty at going left anymore, send it over to me. I'll make use of it.

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I scored a prickly thorn but sweetly worn purple/pink Z Pred from PIAS that has NEVER lost to the wind and can flex just about any left hand turning shot I ask it too. I also dyed Han Solo onto it. When it's too windy to use my Valk or if I need a huge turn I use my Han Solo Pred.

It also makes trees its bitch. I'm more amazed at the fight this disc has rather than the lines it flies (but the lines are pretty too).