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Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

This whole paragraph is hilarious. Afraid to shoot? Can't make an entry pass? Whys he even in the league then! Your pension for hyperbole really makes it hard to believe you're capable of actual analysis.

Plus the Ben Hansbrough love fest and only popping up to hate on a Pacers player hurts credibility as well.

Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

Plus the Ben Hansbrough love fest and only popping up to hate on a Pacers player hurts credibility as well.

Refute the comments regarding that comparison then. Hill is a decent player and would be great for our team if he was making no more than $5mil per. However, since the Pacers refuse to pay luxury tax, the fact that Hill is overpaid could greatly hinder their ability to re-sign somebody far more important to the immediate and future success of this franchise, in Lance Stephenson. You also must consider how many quality players there are at the point guard position and the fact that so many players on rookie contracts are on par with or superior to Hill. The $$$ spent on Hill simply isn't worth it and could bite us in the *** in the long run.

Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

Refute the comments regarding that comparison then. Hill is a decent player and would be great for our team if he was making no more than $5mil per. However, since the Pacers refuse to pay luxury tax, the fact that Hill is overpaid could greatly hinder their ability to re-sign somebody far more important to the immediate and future success of this franchise, in Lance Stephenson. You also must consider how many quality players there are at the point guard position and the fact that so many players on rookie contracts are on par with or superior to Hill. The $$$ spent on Hill simply isn't worth it and could bite us in the *** in the long run.

Hill is not overpaid. You know who else makes 8mil a year? Jameer Nelson and Rodney Stucky.

Still waiting for that list of point guards you would take over Hill? With so many quality point guards that are better than Hill I'm sure you could easily come up with 5.

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Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

This man has obviously not watched Mike Conley in the playoffs.. You want to see scared? See him vs the Spurs. Hill while not perfect in the post season, Has attempted and made huge shots. Did Miami give him trouble? You bet your sweet *** they did. But hey, They made Tony Parker look like a 45 year old Dleague player in the finals, With there super fast defense.

Not to mention that Hill has lowered his T.O% every single year in his career and last year he had the lowest T.O% in the league.. Also, Indiana will never be a good place for a ball dominant PG and specially now with George playing Point Forward.

But ignore the stats and keep believing in the things you see, Because we both have been watching something opposite players. The only PG's that I recall burning constantly is, Westbrook and Deron Williams.

Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

Thus the issue with paying an average point guard $8mil per. Hill's horrid contract could cost us dearly, if not dealt.

Average point guard are paid $8mil per all around the league. Look at the contract that Teague, Conley and Dragic signed. They are in the same $7.5-$8.5mil range. That's the NBA market for those players.

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Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

Average point guard are paid $8mil per all around the league. Look at the contract that Teague, Conley and Dragic signed. They are in the same $7.5-$8.5mil range. That's the NBA market for those players.

I totally agree with you on this.....$8 mil is the price range for a starting PG.

However, part of the problem, I think is that there is the perception that GH isn't a True PG...but a ComboGuard that doesn't run the point like Teague/Conley/Dragic...and therefore dish out the assist on the same level as those Players. I can see how some may think that this may translate into lower $$$.

Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

Refute the comments regarding that comparison then. Hill is a decent player and would be great for our team if he was making no more than $5mil per.

You just can't get guys at Hill's level for less than $7-8 million a year. If you look at this list of all the guards (PG, SG or combo guards) in the league who had a 16 PER or better last year, they almost all make in that range or more. The main exception is those guys who have big flaws in their game like Vazquez or Nate Robinson, usually on defense which doesn't show up in PER.

It wasn't a question of getting Hill at a cheaper price, it was a question of paying Hill the market value or just not signing him. So the Pacers had to decide, do we want Hill at 8 a year, or do we not want Hill at all.

Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

I do not doubt that there is loyalty from Lance to the Pacers......if not mostly to Bird himself, but IMHO....everything comes down to $$$$.

Given that Lance will become a UFA in July 2014....what advantage does that Pacers have over other Teams to re-sign Lance ( if any )?

Bird and West...Lance has completely changed his demographic and stance...From pushing women down stairs and doing the cut throat sign ala Benoit to becoming what we need in the future....This team really excites me how much they actually LOVE playing together...thats 94-95 stuff

Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

How much are we gonna have to pay him? After he makes the all-star team this year, his price will raise significantly. He will easily be more expensive than G Hill, and probably be worth close to Hibbert money

That's a good point and one I didn't think was possible before the season. If Lance makes the All-Star team or wins a Most Improved player award, that's going to drive his price above the 6 million that the Pacers can probably afford to pay him without dipping into the tax.

That could be a problem but it's still a good problem to have because if Lance continues playing this well all season long, they Pacers championship chances go up exponentially.

Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

That's a good point and one I didn't think was possible before the season. If Lance makes the All-Star team or wins a Most Improved player award, that's going to drive his price above the 6 million that the Pacers can probably afford to pay him without dipping into the tax.

That could be a problem but it's still a good problem to have because if Lance continues playing this well all season long, they Pacers championship chances go up exponentially.

I don't think that's going to happen but if by some chance that did happen with Lance then I don't see how there's any chance the Pacers keep him. Lance may be willing to take a discount but he's not playing here for 50% of his value. When was the last time a player made an all star team on a contract year who didn't get a near max contract? I don't think it's ever happened and I can't see Larry being able to dump that much salary this offseason.

Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

If Lance makes the all-star team I would bet that Lance is a Pacer next year and there are other players who didn't make the all-star team who are not Pacers. It's not going to happen unless Lance gets more shots or he continues to shoot 65% from 3. He's scoring at a pretty incredibly rate so far this season.

Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

Wait, hold up, Lance an all-star??

Now that I stop to think about it, that may actually happen. Rose, Irving, and Wade are locks at guard, I think, but Ronjo's injured and Holiday is in the West now. Maybe one of Deron/Joe Johnson makes it, but after that... the East guard pool looks pretty shallow.

OTOH, if the Pacers are getting 2 all-stars, the top guy is George obviously but the second guy is probably Hibbert. Pacers will have to be doing extremely well to get 3 all-stars, IMO. So Lance has to continue putting up gaudy numbers, while Roy has to put up mediocre ones. In Lance's favor, the depth at center is ridiculously deep (Noah/Lopez/Chandler/Horford) compared to the guards.

Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

Now that I stop to think about it, that may actually happen. Rose, Irving, and Wade are locks at guard, I think, but Ronjo's injured and Holiday is in the West now. Maybe one of Deron/Joe Johnson makes it, but after that... the East guard pool looks pretty shallow.

OTOH, if the Pacers are getting 2 all-stars, the top guy is George obviously but the second guy is probably Hibbert. Pacers will have to be doing extremely well to get 3 all-stars, IMO. So Lance has to continue putting up gaudy numbers, while Roy has to put up mediocre ones. In Lance's favor, the depth at center is ridiculously deep (Noah/Lopez/Chandler/Horford) compared to the guards.

Worse for Hibbert, there's just backcourt and frontcourt now. So he also has to compete with all of the forwards.

Luxury Tax this year was around $71.7M. It changes based off the league's income. Let's say the league increases profits this year, which is a very likely prediction, and the Luxury Tax goes to $73M.

Now, here's my question. We'll be right at the Salary Cap threshold with just those guys. I assume that means we can still sign Lance without any Cap Penalties, as long as it's roughly under the $14M difference? I'd need a clarification from someone who's more well-versed in the ways of Salary Structure and penalties.

Luxury Tax this year was around $71.7M. It changes based off the league's income. Let's say the league increases profits this year, which is a very likely prediction, and the Luxury Tax goes to $73M.

Now, here's my question. We'll be right at the Salary Cap threshold with just those guys. I assume that means we can still sign Lance without any Cap Penalties, as long as it's roughly under the $14M difference? I'd need a clarification from someone who's more well-versed in the ways of Salary Structure and penalties.

We will have full Bird rights on Lance, so we are not limited cap-wise on contracts that we can sign him to. We can give him up to the 25% max contract. The restriction we have is that we won't go over the salary cap, so we have to have enough money to sign Lance and fill out the 13 man roster.

Assuming we make no trades and pick up the options on Orlando, Sloan, and Scola, we will have between $6-8mil to sign between 2 and 4 players.