(11-18-2016, 12:36 PM)Gippy Wrote: I think what the protesters are doing is pretty clear.

Your privilege, like my privilege, lets me effectively ignore the racist, homophobic and xenophobic talk that was the cornerstone of the Trump campaign. No matter what games you like to play here you can't deny it was there. And it scares a lot of people. Because we're not effected, that we're not worried about being targeted, or worried about being marginalized or having rights taken away, we can sleep easier at night. Being black, gay, a woman or muslim right now and accepting the rhetoric that got the Orange in Chief elected is hard. I have friends and co-workers in all of those categories and they're all worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons. Most of which aren't orange, but are those that supported the Cheeto Mussolini and took it as a referendum on white male dominance.

I admit that I don't feel the same sense of urgency and despair about this election as others do, but that's no reason to deny them their voice and marginalize their efforts to be heard. The message that the orange ran on needs to be opposed. The protests serve to fuel our legislators to act. And serve to shout through the bubble that Trump obviously hasn't been able to look past (just read interviews, all the signs of ignorance are there).

Edit: There's a huge difference between the shouts of hitler Obama and hitler Trump. The difference being that those that tried to compare Obama to hitler made large leaps and twists to make the comparison. Trump gave us everything we needed to neatly put the two together.

There are millions of black, gay, and woman voters who elected Trump. I realize that the climate in your exceptionally blue region is anti-Trump. I also realize that historically, fear, uncertainty and doubt are what those who object employ as their protest tools.

(11-18-2016, 12:36 PM)Gippy Wrote: I think what the protesters are doing is pretty clear.

Your privilege, like my privilege, lets me effectively ignore the racist, homophobic and xenophobic talk that was the cornerstone of the Trump campaign. No matter what games you like to play here you can't deny it was there. And it scares a lot of people. Because we're not effected, that we're not worried about being targeted, or worried about being marginalized or having rights taken away, we can sleep easier at night. Being black, gay, a woman or muslim right now and accepting the rhetoric that got the Orange in Chief elected is hard. I have friends and co-workers in all of those categories and they're all worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons. Most of which aren't orange, but are those that supported the Cheeto Mussolini and took it as a referendum on white male dominance.

I admit that I don't feel the same sense of urgency and despair about this election as others do, but that's no reason to deny them their voice and marginalize their efforts to be heard. The message that the orange ran on needs to be opposed. The protests serve to fuel our legislators to act. And serve to shout through the bubble that Trump obviously hasn't been able to look past (just read interviews, all the signs of ignorance are there).

Edit: There's a huge difference between the shouts of hitler Obama and hitler Trump. The difference being that those that tried to compare Obama to hitler made large leaps and twists to make the comparison. Trump gave us everything we needed to neatly put the two together.

There are millions of black, gay, and woman voters who elected Trump. I realize that the climate in your exceptionally blue region is anti-Trump. I also realize that historically, fear, uncertainty and doubt are what those who object employ as their protest tools.

You're trying to create a false equivalence between the two groups of protesters.

Protests against Obama, no matter how the protesters felt about the validity of their fears, we based largely on misinformation and preying on their fears. The protests were contrived, based on direct lies to the people.

Protests against Trump are based on what he said during his campaign. Rhetoric that was without a doubt racist and xenophobic. Just the attempt to equate the two is dishonest and points to the same bubble effect that you claim you're seeing.

There's no comparison between people afraid of the boogeyman and those reacting to the comments of the President Elect.

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(11-18-2016, 12:36 PM)Gippy Wrote: I think what the protesters are doing is pretty clear.

Your privilege, like my privilege, lets me effectively ignore the racist, homophobic and xenophobic talk that was the cornerstone of the Trump campaign. No matter what games you like to play here you can't deny it was there. And it scares a lot of people. Because we're not effected, that we're not worried about being targeted, or worried about being marginalized or having rights taken away, we can sleep easier at night. Being black, gay, a woman or muslim right now and accepting the rhetoric that got the Orange in Chief elected is hard. I have friends and co-workers in all of those categories and they're all worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons. Most of which aren't orange, but are those that supported the Cheeto Mussolini and took it as a referendum on white male dominance.

I admit that I don't feel the same sense of urgency and despair about this election as others do, but that's no reason to deny them their voice and marginalize their efforts to be heard. The message that the orange ran on needs to be opposed. The protests serve to fuel our legislators to act. And serve to shout through the bubble that Trump obviously hasn't been able to look past (just read interviews, all the signs of ignorance are there).

Edit: There's a huge difference between the shouts of hitler Obama and hitler Trump. The difference being that those that tried to compare Obama to hitler made large leaps and twists to make the comparison. Trump gave us everything we needed to neatly put the two together.

There are millions of black, gay, and woman voters who elected Trump. I realize that the climate in your exceptionally blue region is anti-Trump. I also realize that historically, fear, uncertainty and doubt are what those who object employ as their protest tools.

(11-19-2016, 05:50 AM)Gippy Wrote: You're trying to create a false equivalence between the two groups of protesters.

Protests against Obama, no matter how the protesters felt about the validity of their fears, we based largely on misinformation and preying on their fears. The protests were contrived, based on direct lies to the people.

Protests against Trump are based on what he said during his campaign. Rhetoric that was without a doubt racist and xenophobic. Just the attempt to equate the two is dishonest and points to the same bubble effect that you claim you're seeing.

There's no comparison between people afraid of the boogeyman and those reacting to the comments of the President Elect.

Why is it a false equivalence? Obama never provided a birth certificate to ward off the circumstantial accusations (and law suit). Obama has come out in favor of wealth redistribution policy on more than one occasion. Is it a false equivalence because Obama didn't Tweet, "I'm a socialist!" One might argue that actions speak louder than words.

It sounds an awful lot like your projection bias reassuring you that you are perfectly sane but those other weirdo protestors are loons.

Then I don't know what to say.
You're trying to equate rantings about a black man to rantings by a white man.
I'm trying to tell you that you're wrong, but I'm making the false equivalence? Or are your now talking about my previous rant about the Trump voters and their values. 'Cause you now appear to be off in the weeds.

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You said "You're trying to equate rantings about a black man to rantings by a white man." You didn't say "You're trying to equate rantings from two politicians with completely different platforms, goals, objectives" or anything along that line, but instead you specified "black man" and "white man."

(11-19-2016, 01:00 PM)Gippy Wrote: Then I don't know what to say.
You're trying to equate rantings about a black man to rantings by a white man.
I'm trying to tell you that you're wrong, but I'm making the false equivalence? Or are your now talking about my previous rant about the Trump voters and their values. 'Cause you now appear to be off in the weeds.

Your position that Obama objections are less valid than your Trump objections is what I'm on about. You are setting the criteria for what a legitimate protest can be. Those criteria are not universally accepted. For example, one might argue that the expression "taco bowl engagement" was popularized by the DNC.

I'm not going to defend Trump's boorish behavior, but I do maintain that with each new president, there are many appalled people who refuse to accept it for whatever trumped up reason. And I expect that idiom to take on new meaning over the next eight years.

Furthermore, I don't see anyone here "refusing to accept it for whatever trumped up reason," but rather mostly eloquently voicing their concern over the direction their country's political climate appears to be taking. You would do well not to lump them in with the loonies.

You said "You're trying to equate rantings about a black man to rantings by a white man." You didn't say "You're trying to equate rantings from two politicians with completely different platforms, goals, objectives" or anything along that line, but instead you specified "black man" and "white man."

And you're still missing the subtlety there, you numbskull. You're trying to fit my statements to your narrative instead of understand them.