Ouch. Hope you're ok? That was a pretty bad crash. And yeah that guy was completely at fault for not making a safe left turn. A lot of idiots on the road out there so you just have to be careful and assume everyone can't drive. Good thing you have a dash cam (it clearly shows 60 kmph on the bottom for those guys commenting on YouTube that you're speeding)

Btw where was this? It looks like it's in Edmonton on 102 St NW / 13 Ave at South Edmonton Common (outside the Ikea parallel to Gateway Blvd). This area is a nightmare when it comes to drivers especially. I have a friend who was in an accident in that same area too.

Edit: Actually I took back my last comment about the speed limit. I'm 100% sure that the road's in Edmonton at South Edmonton Common. And I'm very sure the posted speed limit is 50 kmph in that area, not 60 kmph since it's a branch off Parsons Road (and I just checked using Google Maps).

Hope you both are ok but I think both of you were at fault in this sense. With the frozen pavement in Edmonton and video proof you were going 60 kmph (which according to your needle would show 65 kmph), your dash would show you were speeding 15 kmph over the limit with snow and ice on the ground. That being said, the other car should not have turned but I think you probably would have had time to brake or at least limit the damage if you were driving for the conditions and the speed limit.

The guy that is turning is at fault, but I can't say the guy driving with the cam was not careless. He changed lanes at the last minute to pass the guy turning in front of him, so the guy that hit him probably saw no one coming and began to turn as the driver with the cam switched lanes and tried to bolt through.

It's an unfortunate event, if the person with the cam slowed down a bit when changing lanes he might have seen the other guy coming.

The guy that is turning is at fault, but I can't say the guy driving with the cam was not careless. He changed lanes at the last minute to pass the guy turning in front of him, so the guy that hit him probably saw no one coming and began to turn as the driver with the cam switched lanes and tried to bolt through.

It's an unfortunate event, if the person with the cam slowed down a bit when changing lanes he might have seen the other guy coming.

Not sure, seems a little careless on both parties involved.

+1 I agree with Havok.

Driver turning left probably didn't think the dashcam driver would switch away from the most right lane and not wait for the car in front of him to finish turning into the plaza.

Curious as to what the law would say about this, as the dashcam driver did switch lane and try to bolt through at the very last minute.

Driver turning left probably didn't think the dashcam driver would switch away from the most right lane and not wait for the car in front of him to finish turning into the plaza.

Curious as to what the law would say about this, as the dashcam driver did switch lane and try to bolt through at the very last minute.

Law always sides against the guy turning left unless there are witnesses or some sort of evidence to show that the guy going through was breaking the law and was doing something unsafe, then it might go 50/50.

Hate to say it OP but posting the video that shows you speeding actually works against your favor. I would probably take that down before the victim finds it and uses it against you...

Law always sides against the guy turning left unless there are witnesses or some sort of evidence to show that the guy going through was breaking the law and was doing something unsafe, then it might go 50/50.

Hate to say it OP but posting the video that shows you speeding actually works against your favor. I would probably take that down before the victim finds it and uses it against you...

I see my post has changed your tune

I was about to say your last post is completely different from your first posts, until I noticed you edited them

The guy that is turning is at fault, but I can't say the guy driving with the cam was not careless. He changed lanes at the last minute to pass the guy turning in front of him, so the guy that hit him probably saw no one coming and began to turn as the driver with the cam switched lanes and tried to bolt through.

It's an unfortunate event, if the person with the cam slowed down a bit when changing lanes he might have seen the other guy coming.

Not sure, seems a little careless on both parties involved.

Thats what I notice too, he seem was driving "fast" then did a quick lane change, the driver turning left saw "no one" then suddenly he pops out, unsafe lane change.

60km/h isn't really fast aren't most roads around 60-80 km/h? I guess it's in the city so it may be different.

Although he did switch lanes, he has all the right to switch lanes at anytime correct? It wasn't in the middle of an intersection or anything so I don't see why he shouldn't have changed lanes. The other driver wasn't being an aware driver.

When I make a turn I don't just look at the one car coming towards me, I usually scan out the whole area. How many times does someone pop on the right turn signal only to keep on going straight? Furthermore, one car slows down to make a right turn, but that does not mean that the car behind it will slow down as well, it will be coming at speed. I never trust a right turn signal and I always make sure someone doesn't make a lane change and pop out of nowhere. I even do the same thing when making a right turn and one lanes open but the lane beside it has a car coming in it because you never know when someone could switch lanes.

I see this so-called un-safe lane change everyday I don't see what's so surprising about it. People making a right turn slow down and the driver behind them always seems to switch lanes so that they can continue on without having to stop/slow down behind the person making a right turn. If this happened in the middle of an intersection it would be a different story.

Am I missing something because it's not illegal to change lanes unless you change lanes in an intersection. Even if 60km/h was speeding, the guy making the left has the responsibility to ensure the path is clear before he proceeds to make the turn.

The guy that is turning is at fault, but I can't say the guy driving with the cam was not careless. He changed lanes at the last minute to pass the guy turning in front of him, so the guy that hit him probably saw no one coming and began to turn as the driver with the cam switched lanes and tried to bolt through.

It's an unfortunate event, if the person with the cam slowed down a bit when changing lanes he might have seen the other guy coming.

Not sure, seems a little careless on both parties involved.

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Originally Posted by shaginwagon13

Am I missing something because it's not illegal to change lanes unless you change lanes in an intersection. Even if 60km/h was speeding, the guy making the left has the responsibility to ensure the path is clear before he proceeds to make the turn.

I could be wrong, but thats my understanding of the law...

I think it's somewhere in between the two. Right of way was to the car in front of the OP's boy. After he makes his right turn, the window for a left turn has closed as the OP's boy is approaching the intersection.

Dude turning left was already attempting the turn while the car ahead was turning right. On top of that the driver does a very quick lane change without losing speed. Likely an unsafe move charge against the OP's boy and failure to yeild on a left turn against the white van/SUV.

I think it's somewhere in between the two. Right of way was to the car in front of the OP's boy. After he makes his right turn, the window for a left turn has closed as the OP's boy is approaching the intersection.

Dude turning left was already attempting the turn while the car ahead was turning right. On top of that the driver does a very quick lane change without losing speed. Likely an unsafe move charge against the OP's boy and failure to yeild on a left turn against the white van/SUV.

Ya makes sense. All the posts above are valid, I was just under the impression no matter what the person making the left has to make sure the path is clear before he proceeds. Like I said I could be wrong, its good to know though.

I think it's somewhere in between the two. Right of way was to the car in front of the OP's boy. After he makes his right turn, the window for a left turn has closed as the OP's boy is approaching the intersection.

Dude turning left was already attempting the turn while the car ahead was turning right. On top of that the driver does a very quick lane change without losing speed. Likely an unsafe move charge against the OP's boy and failure to yeild on a left turn against the white van/SUV.

This is my take: Already attempting a left means he failed to yield to oncoming traffic. He was making a left turn cutting through free flowing traffic and he needed to yield to both lanes of oncoming traffic not just one.

When you make a lane change you are not supposed to lose speed, that causes accidents so what he did was fine. His speed is shown at a constant 60 km/h meaning he did not accelerate in order to make the lane change.