RIPE is running out of IPv4

To: [email protected]
Subject: [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Begins to Allocate IPv4 Address Space From
the Last /8
Dear colleagues,
On Friday, 14 September 2012, the RIPE NCC, the Regional Internet Registry
(RIR) for Europe, the Middle East and parts of Central Asia, distributed the
last blocks of IPv4 address space from the available pool.
This means that we are now distributing IPv4 address space to Local Internet
Registries (LIRs) from the last /8 according to section 5.6 of "IPv4 Address
Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region".
This section states that an LIR may receive one /22 allocation (1,024 IPv4
addresses), even if they can justify a larger allocation. This /22
allocation will only be made to LIRs if they have already received an IPv6
allocation from an upstream LIR or the RIPE NCC. No new IPv4 Provider
Independent (PI) space will be assigned.
This policy can be found online at:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-553
Those members with open requests for IPv4 address space will shortly receive
an email regarding the status of their requests.
It is now imperative that all stakeholders deploy IPv6 on their networks to
ensure the continuity of their online operations and the future growth of
the Internet.

Running out of IPv4 can only mean one thing, a greater push towards IPv6. As humans we will use something until it is nearly fully depleted, and instead of being pro-active we will be reactive. I'm wondering now if this leads to an increase in the cost of IPv4's and how long before that affects LEB providers.

@rds100 said: And if there is a provider that hasn't started deploying ipv6 by now - they are a fool.

I disagree, how do you know a provider who isn't deploying IPv6 doesn't have a massive stash of IPv4. I know of a handful of hosts that have mentioned along the lines of having enough IPv4 to last them another 3 years.

@rds100 said: And if there is a provider that hasn't started deploying ipv6 by now - they are a fool.

Not really, since deploying it really doesn't take that much time and still almost no one can use it. ISPs won't be in a hurry to deploy ipv6 until the shortage effects them, and we all know they're hoarding ipv4.

@jhadley said: In all seriousness I think the largest culprit in terms of actual waste is Google for preferring that linked sites are not the on the same IP, thereby creating the need for "SEO-hosting".

And I just picked up a new VPS for my stuff - £2.40/month per IP. Ouch!

Exacto!
Seo and Mail marketing (AKA Spamming).

Time is good and also bad. Life is short and that is sad. Dont worry be happy thats my style. No matter what happens i won't lose my smile!

You know what problem i have atm? I have a root (Hetzner) and i am 1 of the unlucky guys who has to have the 5.x range IP. And guess what, many providers have still blocked this IP because Hamachi uses this range. Everyone who has Hamachi installed has no connection to our ip/domain. What is ripe going to do against Hamachi because obviously that can't go on forever can it?

@trololo said: You know what problem i have atm? I have a root (Hetzner) and i am 1 of the unlucky guys who has to have the 5.x range IP. And guess what, many providers have still blocked this IP because Hamachi uses this range.

That's terrible. I had no idea that was an issue. Why would providers block this range? I admit very little interaction with Hamachi.

@MrLabradoodle The problem is that our root provider doesn't give a shit they won't give us a new IP (newly ordered root) without demanding 100$. They say it's not our problem its Hamachi's and Ripe's. That really pisses me off.

@jarland indeed it is a big problem.. and since our visitors are mainly gamers the chance is very high that they have hamachi installed. The ips were blocked i think because they were just released this year (april).

@trololo said: You know what problem i have atm? I have a root (Hetzner) and i am 1 of the unlucky guys who has to have the 5.x range IP. And guess what, many providers have still blocked this IP because Hamachi uses this range. Everyone who has Hamachi installed has no connection to our ip/domain. What is ripe going to do against Hamachi because obviously that can't go on forever can it?

I wouldn't worry too much, with LogMeIn's "screw the customer" attitude and their continued bastardization of what they want to charge people to use their crappy services, I do not imagine they will be around that much longer. I would suggest using Neorouter to anyone currently using Hamachi anyhow. Anyone who bowed down to LogMeIn and paid their ridiculous prices just to continue to have more than 5 users in a network is an idiot to being with. Not to mention, I would not be surprised if they eventually do away with their free services all together, even though they had promised users and the previous Hamachi owners they would never do this when they purchased Hamachi. (After my experiences with LogMeIn, I wouldn't use their products again if you paid me to.)

You do however have to realize that Hamachi is a VPN product, so Hetzner has no control over what they do. They would probably just suggest you turn off Hamachi, as without it running they should be able to reach your server. If there are provider blocking it, I would have said customer send their provider an e-mail explaining that they need it unblocked, might be a pain in the butt, but they have no reason to refuse this. I also would suggest to those who are still using Hamachi that are having issues contacting your server to quickly move to Neorouter ( http://www.neorouter.com ) and abandon Hamachi anyhow.

I guess it is about time to look more seriously at LIR asignment, 1-2 months back when I was looking into it, I thought I'd have enough time. Guess not so much. I can't figure if there are any mroe LIR's in here, except [email protected], who I already PMed.