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In Trump's defence - and I am not his biggest fan, ha - I really see no point in the elected leader of your country having to ditch important business to fly about the US (and outlying regions like Puerto Rico) each and every time there's a disaster.

A Presidential visit is invariably a distraction from rescue/relief activities and achieves sweet eff all.

In Trump's defence - and I am not his biggest fan, ha - I really see no point in the elected leader of your country having to ditch important business to fly about the US (and outlying regions like Puerto Rico) each and every time there's a disaster.

A Presidential visit is invariably a distraction from rescue/relief activities and achieves sweet eff all.

I think it is Important that the President visit when there is a disaster...He is our leader and is supposed to comfort people and let people know that The country is with them and they are in our thoughts and Prayers. But it sucks when Trump goes to Puerto Rico to assess the damage from the hurricane on Tuesday and they have to send Vice President Pence on Wednesday to assess the Damage from Trump

Trump says Puerto Rico wasn't a real disaster. If he thinks that why doesn't he go live with the Puerto Ricians for a month with none of his fancy money and stuff. And learn how they're living with this DISASTER!

[QUOTE=Davinme06;5041490] He is our leader and is supposed to comfort people/QUOTE]

Okies, I can see that, Dav, but lately the disasters are happening so frequently and the Comforter-In-Chief is getting far too much time on my TV News.

The focus seems to be on him (the President, I mean. Not the man who is the President) rather than on fixing the problems the disaster has caused.

Our politicians are different.

Lemme tell you a story.

Okies, not of a disaster as re the Hurricanes and Vegas, but the gist is similar.

Our greatest All Black, Colin 'Pinetree' Meads, died on 20 August of pancreatic cancer just as our General Election campaign was beginning.

Massive occasion.

Both our main political party leaders attended.

Not that you'd know though. Both made it quite clear to media that the day was to remember 'Pinetree', to support his family, that it was to be free of politics, that they wanted no focus on themselves - and the service, telecast live here, didn't show either of their images once.

Trump couldn’t respond immediately as that would be an endangerment to himself. The military would have to clear the way for him to get access first considering the coast was a complete wreck. They couldn’t get supplies in for days. It’s good for the president to show up as it’s uplifting to the people and gives them hope.

Not to play devil’s advocate but he donated a million dollars of HIS OWN MONEY to Puerto Rico. The only person that complained was San Juan mayor, Carmen Cruz, who is a self-proclaimed communist and Hillary Clinton supporter anyway. All the other politicians on the island congratulated him for going above and beyond.

The focus seems to be on him (the President, I mean. Not the man who is the President) rather than on fixing the problems the disaster has caused.

well That's my point Drew he goes down there and acts like the center of attention..tossing paper towels into the crowd like, he's at a vote for me rally. And he tells them that they are lucky the only have 19 dead... and that this disaster has cost too much money for the country....some of the people won't have electric power back for year... he just isn't very empathetic ... not really the best person for THAT part of the job

He goes down there and acts like the center of attention..tossing paper towels into the crowd like, he's at a vote for me rally. And he tells them that they are lucky the only have 19 dead... and that this disaster has cost too much money for the country....some of the people won't have electric power back for year... he just isn't very empathetic ... not really the best person for THAT part of the job

Agreed, Dav.

There was a very good pic on our paper here yesterday of the Mandalay Hotel (with its still-smashed windows) in the foreground and Air Force One soaring away in the background after The Donald's visit.

I'm not a fan, as you may gather, of what I call 'disaster porn' ... using a situation of unspeakable horror, whether natural or man-caused, for essentially political purposes...

Trump couldn’t respond immediately as that would be an endangerment to himself. The military would have to clear the way for him to get access first considering the coast was a complete wreck. They couldn’t get supplies in for days. It’s good for the president to show up as it’s uplifting to the people and gives them hope.

Not to play devil’s advocate but he donated a million dollars of HIS OWN MONEY to Puerto Rico. The only person that complained was San Juan mayor, Carmen Cruz, who is a self-proclaimed communist and Hillary Clinton supporter anyway. All the other politicians on the island congratulated him for going above and beyond.

I believe it was Trump's inaugural committee that donated $3mil to relief efforts. So not Trump's money, but rather the people who voted to put him in office, their money. Also, if he did and I missed the story, it's probably just the bit he exploited from tax payers while he visits his private golf course in Florida, Mar-a-Lago. And it's obvious that tax payers aren't paying for his membership to his own club. Moreover, tax payers are paying for the security and travel expenses so that he can promote his commercial business which is lining his pockets with money. Memberships at the club are right at $200,000 each currently. So no, tax payers didn't pay for his membership. They paid for the advertising. Or the bit he scammed from the IRS.

The pessimist complains about the wind, the optimist hopes it'll change. The realist adjusts the sails.

Your comment in regards to Trump “exploiting taxpayers” and “scamming the IRS” are unsubstantiated claims, merely speculation. Taxpayers have always flipped the bill for security and travel expenses for presidents. Evidently Obama broke historic records in vacation expenses as president. Source: https://www.teaparty.org/obamas-travel-costs-break-records-endless-family-vacations-tallied-266119/
Not to mention the fact that Trump is donating his presidential salary to various charities each quarter. When was the last time you’ve seen a president do that? I think it’s fair to say he’s not in it for the money.

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Your comment in regards to Trump “exploiting taxpayers” and “scamming the IRS” are unsubstantiated claims, merely speculation. Taxpayers have always flipped the bill for security and travel expenses for presidents. Evidently Obama broke historic records in vacation expenses as president. Source: https://www.teaparty.org/obamas-travel-costs-break-records-endless-family-vacations-tallied-266119/
Not to mention the fact that Trump is donating his presidential salary to various charities each quarter. When was the last time you’ve seen a president do that? I think it’s fair to say he’s not in it for the money.

TOC living in Colorado the land of legal whacky tobaccy has really fried your mind. It is like the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers, it is the only explanation to blind loyalty to this sexist, draft dodging, and as Rex Tillerson said, bleeping moron of a president.

Trump has taken more vacations in his first ten months of office did Obama did in his entire Presidency. Obviously taxpayers flip the bill for security and travel expenses. Did you read what I post or did you just glance over it? I specifically said the advertising for his private golf club, which memberships have doubled since Trump began president.https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/mar-a-lago-membership-fee-doubles-to-200000.htmlWhich is going directly to his pocket...

Not to mention the fact that Trump is donating his presidential salary to various charities each quarter. When was the last time you’ve seen a president do that? I think it’s fair to say he’s not in it for the money.

Let's see... Here's Trump's business sense: "Slash the budget! Oh well I'll just donate my salary to them instead." Makes a whole a lot of sense, huh? Because that's literally what he did.

The pessimist complains about the wind, the optimist hopes it'll change. The realist adjusts the sails.

TOC living in Colorado the land of legal whacky tobaccy has really fried your mind. It is like the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers, it is the only explanation to blind loyalty to this sexist, draft dodging, and as Rex Tillerson said, bleeping moron of a president.

"They get you when you sleep!" Those who blindly support either party based on politically biased news are misled. Mainstream media has been under fire all year for "false news" reports. I actually researched both candidates (dating back 30 years of their careers). It uncovered one candidate to be a corrupt career politician knee-deep in scandals (Hillary) while the other candidate is a successful businessman (hardly a moron) with no record of any criminal wrongdoing. Trump actually went to military school (prior to college) and did, in fact, register to serve in the military (but he was never called to serve). Did the Obamas or Clintons ever serve, or would you consider them "draft dodgers" as well?

People watch the news to stay informed, yet the majority of our media is becoming a liberal propaganda machine and the extinction of the DNC. Six corporations now own 90% of all media (monopoly), all of whom declared war on Trump out of their own "special interests," which I feel is directly responsible for all the Trump hatred and hysterics, even enlisting Hollywood in their crusade. Just as with communist countries, when you control the media, you control what people think. The Daily Wire published an article recently which supports my point:

Thimble, for the sake of argument, we'll assume he didn't donate a million. You pointed out his constituents raised $3 million - which is even better, right? There's no validity to your statement that Trump has taken more vacations than Obama. That's just slander. Of course memberships to his private golf clubs have doubled considering he's now the president. Good for him!

He's already fulfilled the American dream and proven his success. He's worth $4 billion (more money than most of us dream of). What better person to help run our economy? He loosened regulations that were suffocating small/mid cap business, allowed free markets to compete with big corporations and gave companies incentives to support U.S. workers. Not to mention, highest stocks in recorded history since he's been elected. To me, that’s a strong indication he must be doing something right.

Thimble, for the sake of argument, we'll assume he didn't donate a million. You pointed out his constituents raised $3 million - which is even better, right? There's no validity to your statement that Trump has taken more vacations than Obama. That's just slander. Of course memberships to his private golf clubs have doubled considering he's now the president. Good for him!

He's already fulfilled the American dream and proven his success. He's worth $4 billion (more money than most of us dream of). What better person to help run our economy? He loosened regulations that were suffocating small/mid cap business, allowed free markets to compete with big corporations and gave companies incentives to support U.S. workers. Not to mention, highest stocks in recorded history since he's been elected. To me, that’s a strong indication he must be doing something right.

Stop diverting... (and try a google search)

Here's an article about how Trump is threatening to cut relief efforts to PR. Here,here, and here are three articles about Trump's lengthy vacations this year alone (one from a UK news source, but of course I'm sure that's "fake news" too). And while the economy is technically doing well, if only marginally on issues such as unemployment, a fair amount of economists would argue that the economy is still swelling after Obama's efforts. It takes time for changes to take effect in the economy, especially upwards change. Downwards change is often drastic and fast acting, upwards change is slow. After all, it takes more to build a tower than to destroy it.

Trump's business ethics is that when the cards get down is to file bankruptcy and get bailed out by the Government, as evidenced by his 4 times doing so. There's no bankruptcy button on the US economy. During the 8 years that Obama was in office, the economy saw a steady upwards growth after it was tanked in 2009. So now that Trump is in office, the economy is still cresting, so it's hard to claim that he's made all of these amazing advances for the economy.

So you're okay with the president using tax payer dollars to advertise his private golf course and line his pockets with money? You can't see the ethical hiccup here? When he became President, he should have released the property from his possession, and eliminated his own income from the establishment. Otherwise it's a fairly large conflict of interests.

It sounds like to me you need a dose of your own medicine that you put "Those who blindly support either party based on politically biased news are misled." It really sounds like to me you're just blindly following Trump.

The pessimist complains about the wind, the optimist hopes it'll change. The realist adjusts the sails.