Transmission

Shifter - Jumps Out of Gear

cosmicray48236 3/25/01 7:29 pm

Everything looks great inside the transmission but....one
or both forks jump out of position and the transmission is then
locked when one tries to shift. Can anyone diagnose what is going
on? There doesn't appear to be excessive wear on any part. Thanks

Jim_Bollman 3/25/01 8:39 pm

Sounds like the spring loaded poppets in the top of the
transmission have been lost. The poppets go between the fork rails
and keep them in place. Jim...

speedoo51 3/25/01 9:18 pm

Also cork plug at left rear of cover that held additional
spring and detent ball [for 2-3 rail] probably fell out.
Tap hole for 3/8ths-24. Blow out chips. Use set screw with lock
nut to hold in spring and detent ball, both should be as close to
11/32nds dia. as possible with spring around 3/8ths long and
pretty stout. Screw in set screw or bolt till snug then back off
till 2-3 rail can move and lock with nut. Had 48 that needed this
fix. Seb.

chuckhk1941 3/25/01 9:32 pm

The only other problem I've seen is the main shift rod
wears on the base--or the top alignment pin is broke or missing
allowing the shift lever to flop around. Chuck

Shifter - Gears Stuck

cd1949_moose 12/9/01 11:18 pm

Has anyone encountered a problem with the shifter and
transmission where you get stuck in between gears. I have a CD 49
that I recently got stuck in first gear. I can't move the shifter
into another gear it seems to be jammed and hence can't find any
other gears. How involved / difficult of an undertaking is fixing
this problem? Any advice?

wally_48329 12/10/01 8:20 pm

Drain trans, lift off the top then you can see the gears
that are locked up. you then can usually pry the gears back to
nutrol.sometimes you may need to replace the shift lever. or you
may be lifting the lever up as you shift. on some cars this will
cause the lever to come out of the shift shaft. wally

Jim_Bollman 12/10/01 9:24 pm

Wally gave you the procedure. The usual cause is worn
parts. Either or both, the round disk shaped piece on the end of
the shifter or the place where that part goes into shifting fork
is worn allowing the shifter to pop out of the forks. If you can't
find replacements, they can be built up and remachined but it will
not be cheap to do it right, unless you can do it yourself. Jim...

Tranny Only Works in Neutral

rwright24127 Mar 18, 2002 8:02:39 PM

I only can get the little truck to move in neutral no other gear.
Sounds strange but when I put the truck in a gear it stalls, in
neutral the truck will go forward, Any suggestions?

Ron Wright

Jim_Bollman Mar 18, 2002 10:34:38

Ron, from your description it sounds like another case of bad or
worn shifting forks and shifter ball (end of shifter stick). This can
get you in a mode where you can only get neutral or 2 gears at once
or 1 gear or multiple gears. The popets are probably missing or in
the bottom of your trany at this point because once the shifter goes
to far they pop out into the area that the shifting rods move in.
Sometimes they push the pressed in plugs on the trany top out and you
loose both on the ground.

I would take the top off the transmission and see what you find.
With the top off you can move the gears around and see if anything
else is wrong.

Best fix if the top needs rebuilding is to buy one of the new tops
Dave Edwards sells. You can rebuild the top but you will have as much
in the rebuild as you can buy one of his new ones.

Jim...

Poppets/Springs

dccrosley 7/22/01 3:25 pm

Does anyone have a fix for busted trans. poppets/springs
that are in the control housing?What parts can I use,and where to
get them?

Jim_Bollman 7/22/01 9:06 pm

A pair of poppets with spring is available from Service
Motors for $5. I also had some made up a while back and sell them
for the same price. You can also get by with a couple of ball
bearing of the proper diameter and a spring from the hardware. The
poppets from Service and me are not hardened like a bearing, so
they wear instead of the more expensive shifting rails. That
probably isn't much of a problem unless you drive a lot of miles.
Jim...

Oil Leaks

cosmicray48236 11/4/01 8:15 pm

I am reconditioning a 47 that was not run for at least 25
years when I got it. The transmission had what looked like heavy
syrup in the bottom. I opened it up cleaned it and replaced the
rear bearing and finger. The gears all look good so I put in 1
pint of 80/90 oil. The oil if leaking out at about 1 teaspoon
every 4 hours. It is coming out of the rear bearing. Have I
overfilled the case ? There does not seem to be any kind of seal
at either the front or the rear. Any suggestions would be much
appreciated. Skip

chuckhk1941 11/5/01 5:15 pm

they have no seals-try using a sealed bearing-plug the
drain hole in the front shaft-solid solder will work- most
important is the use of heavy gear oil-try to find the old style
oil-it's much heaver than some of the new types-

dccrosley 11/5/01 5:49 pm

Check out "frequently asked questions" section on the
national club site. Go to "transmission". You'll find
specifics/part numbers to fix your problem with.

cosmicray48236 11/14/01 11:08 am

I removed transmission, replaced front bearing and
replaced the fork assembly. I only removed the one shaft and
thought I replaced all of the parts. Unit seemed fine on the
bench. Have reinstalled tranny and engine in car. Now I cannot
transmit rotation thru the tranny in either direction. It seems to
be in permanent neutral. And yes I did check the forks position.
Any suggestions as to what I am missing. Thanks. Skip

dccrosley 11/14/01 1:30 pm

Did you take the gears off the shaft? Make sure
everything's on right. Make sure the forks are going into place on
the gears when lowering the control housing into place;things can
get misaligned easily. Inspect the shift rails&shift lever
where it rides in the forks/rail for excessive wear;also the shift
fork" pocket" on first/reverse fork wears. This lets the lever pop
out of place and then you get nothing Good luck Dave Coudriet

Checking Oil Level

cosmicray48236 12/22/01

Is there any easy way to check the oil level in the
transmission? Thanks. Skip

Jim_Bollman 12/22/01 10:51 pm

Take the pipe plug out of the side and stick your little
finger in. The oil level should be even with the bottom edge of
the hole. Jim...

Is It Crosley

jeremy_lasater 12/28/01 3:44 pm

Hello,

I finally got the rebuilt clutch

back for my little Windolph B crawler, and the next step is to
locate a good used Crosley transmission. The one I have would need
to be completely rebuilt (most of the gears are badly pitted) so I
thought it would be easier and faster to locate a used
transmission. You can read up on my progress at http://www.wheatfarm.com/crawler/update/index.html
if your interested.

bltlar 12/28/01 4:24 pm

Jeremy, It looks like a Crosley type tranny. Either
Service Motors or Dave Edwards should be able to come up with a
used one. Phone numbers & addresses on CAC page. Dave sells
tranny tops separate. Don't know about Service Motors. Looks like
you done good on top. Jim Bollman may have balls you asked about.
Nice project. Keep us informed. GOOD web page too. Like many
photos and written parts. Good luck. Larry

bobby82842 12/31/01 5:32 pm

Is the casting # on the side of the trans a T-92 if so
then it is a Crosley trans, it's a 3 speed forward 1 reverse. The
transmission new from Service Motors is $200.00+Core, A rebuilt
one is $135.00+core. They also rebuild clutches,and transmissions
for Crosley cars. Give them a call Bobby

Economy Garden Tractors

mpfettig 1/30/02 12:14 am

The same transmission was used in Economy garden
tractors. The transmission in the tractor has no Synchro. Do you
have to double clutch to up shift the Crosley, or was there some
difference between the tractor and car trannies?

Who Made It

knisprof Nov 3, 2002 5:40:10 PM

At an old tractor and small engine show last week I was
told that several small farm tractors such as the Farmall "Cub"
and AC "G" used transmissions and/or rear ends made by Crosley. I
am doubtful about this.

Does anyone know? Or know who made the gearboxes and rear ends
used by Crosley? Thanks.

speedoo51 Nov 3, 2002 9:10:10 PM

Borg-Warner made the transmission and Spicer made the
rear axle. I believe they were made specifically for the Crosley
starting in 1939 and then were eventually used in other items over
the years...Economy

Tractors used the trans [sometimes two] and rear for
quite awhile [into the 60's] and Cushman [golf carts,
utility vehicles] used the rear axles maybe into the 70's I
think...These are just two examples;

I'm sure there was quite a few more but no prior use than
Crosley..Seb.

bschulhof Nov 3, 2002 10:05:00 PM

Story was that the trans cost Crosley only $7

Synchro Transmission

crosley19 4/11/01 9:07 pm

The answer to your question...None, that are direct bolt
in. If you want to install another trans then you either have to
machine the tail end of the trans to take the enclosed drive shaft
connector, and shorten the drives shaft assy. The other way is to
put the MG, Austin 4 speed in with an adapter to fit the Crosley
engine, and the drive shaft and rear from the same car, and adapt
the brake lines, and e-brake cables to fit the Crosley. Barry