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Thanks Ken - your point about using celtic scripts is really what prompted my original question. I do use lettering based upon these within some of my creative work, prompted by my interest in the early British, and especially the early Cornish, church. Although these are basically just decorative pieces or paintings which don't make any claims to historical 'purity', I would prefer to avoid obvious gaffes. Using 'celtic' lettering for Latin texts seemed to me in historical context, as there are a host of manuscripts to use as exemplars, but there doesn't seem to be anything similar from this period featuring Cornish. Whether this is because none ever existed, or whether none survived the depredations of the Reformation, I don't know. <div>The script used for the Ordinalia is certainly very beautiful - I've only had time for a quick browse, but apart from its provenance as to it place of origin, I'm not sure that it has anything stylistically that defines it as uniquely Cornish. I may well be talking out of the wrong orifice here, as I'm no expert on 15th century scripts, but at first glance it seems to fall stylistically into the mainstream of English cursive book hands from the period. No doubt there are others that have studied it in depth. There are already typefaces inspired by similar book hands of this period, but I agree, it would be good to see one specifically derived from the Ordinalia.</div><div>I also found Ceri's contribution re typographic advice on the use of Cornish in a modern context very useful.</div><div>Sorry if starting this thread is perhaps a bit off message for this Forum!</div><div>Oll an gwella</div><div>John</div><div> <br><div><div>On 28 Aug 2010, at 11:19, Ken MacKinnon wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div>Ceri et al,</div> <div> </div> <div>many thanks for this very useful guidance.</div> <div> </div> <div>It always jars on me when 'Celtic' i.e. early Gaelic scripts are used for Cornish. It is ananchronistic and ectopic</div> <div> </div> <div>I very much hope that a suitable indigenous traditional script for Cornish can be developed for decorative and language display purposes.</div> <div> </div> <div>- Ken</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Ken MacKinnon is now on Broadband with new e-mail addresses:-</div> <div> </div> <div><a href="mailto:ken@ferintosh.org">ken@ferintosh.org</a><br>and also <a href="at:-">at:-</a><br><a href="mailto:ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com">ken.ferintosh@googlemail.com</a></div> <div> </div> <div>My former e-mail addresses are no longer able to be used.</div> <div> </div> <div>(Prof) Ken MacKinnon<br>Ivy Cottage, Ferintosh,<br>The Black Isle, by Dingwall,<br>Ross-shire IV 7 8HX<br>Scotland UK</div> <div> </div> <div>Tel: 01349 - 863460</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="rcr_young@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:rcr_young@yahoo.co.uk">Ceri Young</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="spellyans@kernowek.net" href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">Standard Cornish discussion list</a> </div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 27, 2010 2:27 PM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Spellyans] Cornish fonts</div> <div><br></div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <div>Font useage is quite an interesting topic to raise in a forum developing KS because of its useage of diacrits which aren't supported by a substantial number of fonts, and which would surely present some problems to those who'd wish to use KS in desktop publishing without particular expertise in typesetting.<br></div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Obviously, this problem exists in Welsh too - the Welsh Language Board's website has issued PDF advice guides on the graphical presentation of Welsh and how to tackle problems involved in Welsh typography; using fonts which don't support the language's peculiar diacrits such as circumflexes over 'y' or 'w' characters etc. - so the guides contain some basic advice on how to kern a circumflex over a plain letter form. Other advice in the guides concerns best practice guidelines for the graphical layout of bilingual literature, or how to choose fonts which take into account Welsh's higher frequency of characters with stems & tails ('ascenders' & 'descenders') than is evident in English - or kerning where letter combinations of 'yw' or 'wy' require cosmetic adaptations to the font settings. </div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If it's of interest to anybody, (and while I have no idea if the Cornish Language Board publishes similar advice to graphic designers) I've attached two of the more recent of such PDF guides issued by the Welsh Language Board to this post. I think there's definitely a few points of in these which might be of interest to those who write Revived Cornish, and indeed; KS.</div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Oll an gwella,</div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ceri</div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </div> <div style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> John Nash <<a href="mailto:mim.oldwellstudio@btinternet.com">mim.oldwellstudio@btinternet.com</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Standard Cornish discussion list <<a href="mailto:spellyans@kernowek.net">spellyans@kernowek.net</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 27 August, 2010 0:49:19<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> [Spellyans] Cornish fonts<br></font><br>I suppose this request is really directed mainly at Michael Everson, but any information from members of this forum would be appreciated. Compared with Welsh and Irish, indigenous calligraphic source material for style reference is, to say the least, a bit thin on the ground for Cornish - are there as yet any specifically recommended fonts for display lettering in Cornish?<br>John Nash<br>_______________________________________________<br>Spellyans mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net" ymailto="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</a><br><a href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net" target="_blank">http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</a><br></div></div><br><div> <br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><hr><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div>_______________________________________________<br>Spellyans mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</a><br>http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net<br></blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Spellyans mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:Spellyans@kernowek.net">Spellyans@kernowek.net</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net">http://kernowek.net/mailman/listinfo/spellyans_kernowek.net</a></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>