Moderates/Independents = Worthless

Swerve, treg is saying that the current middle is a legitimate political stance (regardless of the sways to either side of it). While in 50 years it may not be in the middle anymore, this ideology is still valid.

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Swerve, treg is saying that the current middle is a legitimate political stance (regardless of the sways to either side of it). While in 50 years it may not be in the middle anymore, this ideology is still valid.

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Whatever you want to define as the "middle" is it's own ideology and the current political spectrum will slide all over the place, thus placing the current "middle" people in a different area of whatever spectrum is relevant today.

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Whatever you want to define as the "middle" is it's own ideology and the current political spectrum will slide all over the place, thus placing the current "middle" people in a different area of whatever spectrum is relevant today.

This thread seems to think moderates gravitate to the middle of the spectrum in the us because its a convenient spot in between the two parties' platforms. Not because its possible that moderates happen to use reason to get to their current beliefs.

I will also say that the vast majority of this website would just vote for one party regardless of the candidate or not vote at all. Frankly voters like those suck and do not see leaders as a case by case basis, but as the representative of some generalized ideology.

This doesn't exhaust my argument in any way. It matters not where people think they lie, my point will still remain.

I'm sorry I misread the first paragraph. A few cups of coffee later and it is clear now.

The middle is contingent on the duality regardless of perception. Although I hate to think of the Left and Right as having degrees. I feel that a political view will always represent one or the other when broken down into it's elements. I understand that this negates the middle from existing entirely which is perhaps the Truth of the matter.

This thread seems to think moderates gravitate to the middle of the spectrum in the us because its a convenient spot in between the two parties' platforms. Not because its possible that moderates happen to use reason to get to their current beliefs.

I will also say that the vast majority of this website would just vote for one party regardless of the candidate or not vote at all. Frankly voters like those suck and do not see leaders as a case by case basis, but as the representative of some generalized ideology.

You're assuming that anyone who has made the choice between left and right has not employed reason. Why?

This is not strictly about the US. It is about anyone who claims to reside somewhere between Left and Right regardless of which party is or appears to be affiliated with either dominant ideology.

Mostly being difficult, because I do value what you say every now and again.

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You're not proving any point whatsoever.

Whatever you want to define as the "middle" is it's own ideology and the current political spectrum will slide all over the place, thus placing the current "middle" people in a different area of whatever spectrum is relevant today.

So since it doesn't have a name its not a thing? Classic human flaw imo.

A belief system doesn't have to be legitimate in others eyes for it to be a belief system. Moderates don't always land right smack in the middle of the spectrum. It also depends on if you view a political spectrum as linear with anarchism on the right and totalitarian communism on the left in which case everyone in between is a moderate...

What's wrong with not subscribing specifically to one overall ideology in which there is one panacea for all problems relating to government? I don't see wanting government intervention/control in some places and not others "exactly between republicans and democrats" as if it were some wishy washy compromise.