Reader Mailbag: Bloupie Edition

Reader mailbag is an opportunity for you, the readers, to help lovelorn men (and women) achieve happiness in their lives. You may save a virgin tonight. Or a faltering marriage. Or a high living bachelor from the hooks and chains of marriage.

Email #1: Once more into the breach

Hello! Would be nice to get some opinions on the salvage ability or odds of getting back together/course of action to get back together of a little talked about situation an ultra short term “relationship”. – about 2-3 weeks.

This woman is a PhD, published and a well paid practicing psychologist/statistician…..are there certain guidelines when dealing with women like this..maybe she gets offended easily…or maybe she does not have a good sense of humor?

First date no previous contact ..date was excellent, great chemistry, passionate kissing call and email by her “had great time can’t wait to talk to you again”.

Second meeting about 10 days later..she invites me over late at night/early morning, massage, cuddling, close intimate time (hours) though no sex. Email by her next day “great seeing you last night just giving you the heads up might need to contact you for consulting again”.

However, after I received that email but before I checked my email to see it I sent her a text(SMS) with what I thought was a friendly ironic/sarcastic joking message about how she was so seductive..joking that she was the femme fatale that took advantage of the innocent guy that evening (an ironic joke). I felt we had a close enough rapport to handle this plus we had developed several inside jokes and plus she is a witty person and she is very physically attractive.

The following day she drops the bomb…after reading the text(SMS) message she regretted having me over and that comment turned things sour for her/felt uncomfortable and she shut everything down “you are a nice person, good luck”. LOL (I say).

Okay then, knowing specifically ruined things should make this straightforward, right? What is the plan of action (timeline, actions, etc.) to re-establish communication and get things back on track? This has to be approached differently than a longer term relationship because there are very few attachments/feelings. My intuition says NC [No Contact] is not appropriate, right?

Recent happenings:

Its been exactly 8 days since her cutting it off “break up” email to me. I sent her a voice mail and email apologizing for any hurt I caused her by the joke and emphasized it was a joke and lets just move on. I reassured I meant no disrespect or unkindness. These two were sent the day after I received her email.

I went NC for about 5 days and then shot her another upbeat voice mail telling her about a exciting thing that happened to me, wished her a good day and then mentioned that I agree it is good that we are calling it quits. I may have also sent a SMS or two earlier in the 5 day period. I don’t have a problem being naturally upbeat in communications with her.

All communications I send emphasize compassionately (not pleadingly) that I apologize for hurting her feelings…but I have never, ever, asked or suggested she take me back or anything of that nature. Seriously, I just want her to know that I did not mean anything bad by the joke and that I really did have a nice time with her. I’m not apologizing to her in a manipulative way so she will take me back..I just want to make it clear I was not trying to be an asshole.

I did, however, suggest we meet in person to talk this over. Anyway, She absolutely has not responded to any of them….everyone here seems to be able to get their girl to respond to them! This girl will not!

What do you do if a woman she goes completely silent? What snaps them out of it? Since we don’t know each other well should I be assertive and go ring her doorbell??? (I don’t think so but this is a different kind of situation). And what influence does the very short timespan of our knowing each other have on the NC strategy? I have a feeling there should be some modifications because how will a girl miss you if she has not formed strong attachment? She was very affectionate, wanted more contact with me and I feel we made a connection. Tomorrow will be the 9th day post “breakup” email. comments??

thnks, D.

First, get an editor. This email is too long. Anyone else interested in receiving my wisdom has a better chance of being picked for reader mailbag if the email is two paragraphs or less.

There are no different guidelines when dealing with a credentialed woman than there are dealing with any other kind of woman. Nearly all women respond the same to game. An analogy: A male MIT grad will be just as turned on by a nice rack and ass as a male high school dropout.

Here is where I believe you went off the rails: You forced her anti-slut defense hand with your text message. It’s not a good idea to insinuate that a woman is a manipulative sexpot before you’ve had sex with her. It’s especially not a good idea after the second date when you had almost crossed the goal line with hours (!) of foreplay only to leave her unsatisfied AT HER PLACE. And it’s really not a good idea to send a follow-up “ironic” text message that can so easily be misinterpreted without facial cues.

I bet this is what she was thinking: “Is this guy toying with me?”

I bet this is what her gina was thinking: “What kind of beta kisses me for hours without closing the deal?”

I’m not surprised she dropped the cunty “good luck” text/call on you the next day. However, your second big mistake was in assuming her cunty reply was the end of the road. It was not. It was, instead, a killer shit test, which you failed. “LOL”? That’s how you responded? Do you know what “LOL” says to a girl who just called your shit out and put your balls in a vice?

“Ha, I got under his skin. I *knew* he was weak. Folded like a cheap lawn chair.”

Moving on, your post-mortem attempts to salvage the momentum you had on the second date are just cringeworthy. You “apologized for any hurt” you caused her? Dude, did you read the 16 Commandments of Poon? YOU NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR ACTIONS. And you certainly never apologize when you’ve done nothing wrong. This is “How To Handle Female Psychology 101”. Massive, space-time ripping, Jumbotron fail.

Then of course you dug your hole straight to China with multiple follow-up texts and apologies. Are you a parody of a beta? I have a hard time believing someone who knows about my site would commit such elementary errors. You insist you’re not apologizing to her in a manipulative way, but that’s exactly what you’re doing. What else do you call apologizing for no reason, doing so over and over again in the face of the silent treatment, and generally acting like a desperate pud who hasn’t been touched by a woman since he puckered up to his mom’s teat for a meal?

No Contact strategy is for men on the road to alphahood. Who ever said you could work with alphas? No Contact strategy for winning back an EX-GIRLFRIEND won’t work on girls you’ve actively repulsed, and haven’t even banged.

Allot yourself a few hours and re-read everything on this site. Absorb it. And then not until you come to an epiphany about your counterproductive behavior should you consider meeting a new woman.

The emailer sent me a post script:

What about this kind of attitude:

Just sending a message like this which is treating her like a bad little girl (calling her bluff)

“Stop with your tests..I can see right through them!”

or

“you had me going there for a while, but now I see you are just playing games” so stop it because I am not amused and they are not working anyway….you are wasting your time.”

Comments? on this kind of attitude when she does not reply…furthermore, I have heard that women will test you by even breaking up for no reason..just to see how you handle it….have you heard of that?

Dude, this chick is unsalvageable. Too many mistakes of a deal-killing nature ruined your shot at turning it around with her. The most alpha-iest, wittiest, asshole-iest text or email in the world isn’t going to save you now. All it’s going to do is further destroy your dignity. I wish I could tell you something more positive, but the fact is, at this point the most alpha response would be:

No response.

In the future, stick to these rules:

Hours of foreplay is beta. Always be closing.

Never apologize, even if you accidentally kill her cat.

Don’t text. If you must text, keep it short and sweet. Force yourself to write no more than five word replies without the crutch of emoticons.

Email #2: Don’t embrace me, bro!

I am dating a woman who periodically characterizes our relationship as one of casual dating. From there she proceeds to talking about other guys. Sometimes I counter with discussions of my other (presently fictional) girls. Other times I tell her she’s not allowed to date other guys. I’m always annoyed by the conversation.

Understanding that text book responses include agree and amplify, don’t let it phase me, and get other girls, any other alternatives you might suggest?

L.

A common shit test women employ is the “Anti-commitment” ruse. The way you responded (by mentioning other girls) is not good. Most women will see through that counterinsurgency tactic as the flailings of a man who got his ego pricked.

I suggest responding in one of two ways:

Ignore her provocations. A simple “Cool” will suffice when she pulls this rabbit out of her hat.

Call her bluff, obliquely. “Phew, I was hoping you’d say that.” Then say nothing more. If she presses, (and 99% of women will press), all you have to know is that you are in the driver’s seat. A woman pressing for info is a woman who has lost hand. Go on to inform her “We’re playing it by ear. I like your maturity about this.”

Reframe, baby. Turn that bitch right round.

Email #3: The silverback doesn’t say sorry

Hey – wondering if you could clear up a crucial point your philosophy of game that’s been troubling me for some time now. You say explicitly that men shouldn’t simply “be themselves” and should impersonate confidence and dominance in order to win women. Clearly you say this in an effort to increase a mans confidence, a laudable goal I couldn’t agree with more. Yet when I’ve tried “not being myself” and faking confidence and strength, paradoxically, I actually felt much LESS confident and secure than those times when I’ve simply been myself! And I’m sure this came off in my emotional demeanor, because when I’ve tried faking confidence I’ve actually done worse with women, and things would only get better when I got sick of faking it and scorned to be anything other than be myself. Women would then immediately pick up on my confidence and respond positively.

Further, it seems to be that most betas problems is that they are afraid to actually be themsleves – to admit their desires, to go after what they want, to take the mask off, and their “niceness” is not necessarily who they are but who they think they should be. The “don’t be yourself” theme is one of the cornertsones of your approach, and you repeat it many times, but it seems to actually generate more insecurity and anxiety than being yourself, which might take courage and strength. The great paradox seems to be that faking confidence seems to doom you to not getting confidence, wheras refusing to fake who you are seems to the first step towards generating genuine confidence. Can you clarify your thinking for me? Thanks so much!

G.

More precisely, I say men shouldn’t “be themselves” if being themselves is not getting them laid. Alphas who are getting pussy can be their bad selves all they want.

If you’re feeling confident being yourself then that will redound in positive female attention. Then there is no reason for you to change your personality wholesale. Otherwise, I really don’t see the point of your email, except as a feeble attempt to undermine a core tenet of game. Are you a woman impersonating a man? Feel free to be honest.

Confidence is the result of years of successful interaction with women. A man getting the love of women is a confident man. A man getting scorned is a doubtful man. Confidence is not some abstract, nebulous ephemera that alights like cosmic dust on a man who wills it into existence. Confidence is a manifest set of behaviors and attitudes that reflect a man’s inner emotional harmony. This emotional harmony is better known as “becoming alpha”. A man not getting what he wants in life can observe, learn, and mimic the behaviors of confident men until he starts experiencing the success he wants and his emotional state follows in accordance. There is no definition of confidence that doesn’t include these behaviors and attitudes.

Email #4: DHV

I have been looking for this site for 3 years. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

S.

Me balls, they are licked. You’re welcome.

Email #5: Lie to me I promise I’ll believe

Hey, I just discovered your blog. It’s great, keep it up.

How do you react to the “is she hotter than me” shit test? I can laugh most shit tests off pretty effectively, but this one utterly baffles me. You can’t just pretend like she didn’t say it. “she” is of course always a 10, probably a celebrity. Can you just say “yes”? Deflect it with a joke? What do you think?

L.

Reframe. “I like confident women. Are you self-confident?”

Alternatively: “She’s different hot.”

Email #6: Bloupie bonanza

First off, I like your blog. You are a great writer! I don’t apply your techniques in my life, but it’s still a really fun read.

If she writes a confessional online diary, expect her to be passive-aggressive, petty, moody, cruel, untrustworthy, vengeful, and highly libidinous. Make a sex tape as soon as it is feasible so you can use it as blackmail in the event of post-breakup threats to out your dirty laundry on her blog.Sexual Satisfaction Rating: N/ALong Term Potential Rating: N/A

I was wondering how universal you think this assessment is? What evidence, if any, do you have to back it up?

As it turns out, I am dating a chick that has one of these blogs. If you have first-hand experience, I’d like to hear a bit more.

Thanks,

T.

Yes, my assessment is accurate. My evidence is double digit bloupie (blogger groupie) hookups with girls who also write blogs. Sure, there are notable exceptions, (one sweetiepie comes to mind right now), but most chicks who write exhibitionist blogs are going to share some damning personality traits, and not the kind of traits that make for a good long term prospect or marriage material, if that’s what you’re looking for. But if you want a wife or girlfriend who is an emotional basketcase, a born again slut, and an insecure saboteur all in one delightful package, then you can’t go wrong with a blogger chick. Double up on the condoms.

For these reasons, I stopped hooking up with blogger chicks. Dating them was beginning to feel like a broken record. Same old same old. They are great lays and can be a lot of fun at times, but their neuroses and awkwardly self-debasing gameplaying can quickly grow tiresome.

I now actively screen for girls who *don’t* write blogs, much like I screen out girls with multiple cats. If I find out she writes a blog, particularly a sex or relationship oriented blog, I get my bang in and immediately demote her to third tier. It’s been a big improvement to date only girls who don’t feel a need to splash their dirty laundry and hangups all over the internet.

115 Responses

Email #1: Statisticians/Psychologist PhD’s are the worst headcases around! They generally are whores with schizophrenic/personality disorders. They will be nerdy and abstract one minute, then demanding a foursome next.

Regarding the first email; dude you have ONEITIS. It is extremely beta to have these sorts of feelings for a wo an you haven’t even had sex with. It is obvious you are lacking other options. My suggestion would be to go out and sarge. Puck some other tail up and forget about this floozy.

So true. I’ve never met a female psychologist who wasn’t nuts. I’ve never met the offspring of a psychologist who wasn’t totally screwed up from mom playing psychologist games on the poor kid all through childhood.

How do you react to the “is she hotter than me” shit test? I can laugh most shit tests off pretty effectively, but this one utterly baffles me. You can’t just pretend like she didn’t say it. “she” is of course always a 10, probably a celebrity. Can you just say “yes”? Deflect it with a joke? What do you think?

In my experience, NEVER date a woman in the medical field. They tend to be manipulative, condescending and they are quick to spread their legs for the doctors, in the interest of love of course, not the desire to “Date upwards”.

As a single straight guy,35 years old. I ask, why the hell do we american men put up with these evil ass american women, I was an officer in the special forces for 15 years and was stationed in Afghanistan Iraq and Germany, and even in Iraq the women were not as evil and sadistic as american women.

I only read Email #1:
This is an example of when ignorance is not bliss. You are probably losing sleep at night because you are trying to win back a girl you never had. I can only imagine all of the opportunities you missed to bang this girl. And your follow-up texts and messages gave me anxiety.

Some quick time advice:
-Apologizing is always a huge mistake. Even worse, apologizing for a joke you told!?!

-Trying to fix something that is broke take more effort than finding something new. Forget that girl.

-Screen girls this sensitive and bitchy. At this point you can’t handle them…

I’m confused at how you emailed Roissy, i.e., you have been on this site, but are this clueless. Read up…. For you sake, I hope you grow some balls…good luck buddy!

Email #2: Roissy is right, reframe and act casual
and aloof. Shooting back in a game of one-upmanship will get you nowhere. Women always win those.

Email #3: No comment.

Email #5: I get this shit test (“is she hotter than me”) all the time. I’ve honestly just started saying “i think it’s rude to discuss how good looking other people are.” Talk about a pregnant clause.

My other go-to, when a woman or my girlfriend asks about hot celebrities (actually I’ve been in an LTR long enough to where I just say if the celeb is hot or not) is to switch and start railing about the superficiality of celebs thereby avoiding the question.

Email #6: No experience with this. I don’t have any bloupies. FemX expressed an attraction for me, but she’s hit on every blogger who posts on Roissy at one point or another. And she also found Conor Friedersdorf attractive. Homo say wha?

Firstly – another huge thanks from a soon to be former beta for doing what you do.

Second:

“However, your second big mistake was in assuming her cunty reply was the end of the road. It was not. It was, instead, a killer shit test, which you failed.”

Trapped in my rookie mindset, I would have thought that her reply email was the end of the road. My response would have been either a Hail Mary along the lines of “Do you always wait until Date 2 to reveal an astonishing sense of humor deficit?” or I would have gone straight to NC. Even a beginner like me knows groveling doesn’t work…

Also, are there any resources that directly address common shit tests and proper responses to them?

I think there’s a Roissy post about how a girl didn’t take a joke right, and he said next time he would hold up a placard so she’d know it’s coming (alternatively, over text, he could just say he’ll put (joke) in parentheses or something). Much more appropriate response than apologizing and makes her think she’s lame for not getting the joke.

That’s the deal you get with text messages. In my experience, if there’s any doubt to the tone or sarcastic nature of a text message, then women will interpret it positively if they like you and negatively if they don’t like you. So he may have been fucked from the beginning by not closing.

All you GOP bigots – take a good look at Grijalva, and tell me what you see. I see a chicken – one of millions of chickens coming home to roost as a consequence of your racism and systematic marginalization of Hispanics in society and the electorate. You have alienated them so completely – as you alienated African Americans before them – that they in their growing millions are lost to you forever. A perfect illustration of the Law of Karma – that in trying to suppress the legitimate aspirations of others, you have guaranteed that YOU will eventually become powerless.

[editor: dude, you haven’t seen real suppression.]

And what is truly hysterical is that BOTH African American and Hispanic cultures are fundamentally conservative – they value work, family, and God in ways you only pay lip service to. These scores of millions could have been yours to forge a truly permanent conservative majority – they are your natural philosophical allies – and yet your obsession with skin color blinded you to this reality. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch…

[hispanics cannot be forged into a conservative majority no matter what the gop does because less successful groups will always vote for the party that promises to transfer goodies from more successful groups to themselves.]

“I have a hunch #1 is lacking in veracity… more likely the two protagonists are teenagers in high school, and the author thought making them older and more “professional” would attract your attention.”

For me, #1 reads like it’s from either:

a) borderline Aspie nerd (who imagined most the ‘relationship’ and ‘cuddling’ has been sending about 10 times more sms’s than he’s copping to and is about to be slapped with a restraining order.

b) neurotic teenage girl with an active imagination

I really hope no functional neurotypical adult man could actually be that …. delusional.

Yea huffy don’t worry about racial classes in us it ain’t gonna matter in future. So your huffing rhetoric is just a hot air balloon full of shit no hang time. Who will protect the world when us can’t protect itself. Answer no one.

[hispanics cannot be forged into a conservative majority no matter what the gop does because less successful groups will always vote for the party that promises to transfer goodies from more successful groups to themselves.]

I disagree. The GOP is losing (loses from 2000 and 2004) the Latino vote because of the immigration issue.

[editor: it is a myth that the gop ever had the latino vote. latinos, particularly amerindian extract latinos which is most of them in the US, will always vote 2 to 1 for dems, give or take a few inconsequential percentage point moves in any given election. the best way for the gop to benefit from the latino vote is to shrink the growth of the latino vote by stopping latino immigration and kicking out all the illegals and their families currently squatting in the US.]

How do you react to the “is she hotter than me” shit test? I can laugh most shit tests off pretty effectively, but this one utterly baffles me. You can’t just pretend like she didn’t say it. “she” is of course always a 10, probably a celebrity. Can you just say “yes”? Deflect it with a joke? What do you think?

I like Roissy’s response. Tried and true. I’m a married guy and if you’re up for a bit of risk, the following will pay even more dividends.

Her: “Is she hotter than me?” (And all variants thereof, including the oft dreaded “Were you just looking a her? I just saw you looking at her.”)

You: (Stare at the female rival. Consider her. You can even add a pause for effect…) “Yea, well… she does have a nice butt. I’ll give her that. But look at her walk. The way she carries herself. I’ll bet she’s uptight and doesn’t ever try new things in bed. Her man just COULDN’T be happy with her.”

The key points in this response are…

1) If caught looking, acknowledge that you indeed were looking. You’ve got a penis and a pulse. Don’t deny or defend it.

2) Pretend to take your wife/gf’s question seriously and make a true compliment about the female rival, something your wife/gf could agree with.

3) Then reject the rival–drawing on some other behavioral aspect which you’d like to see more of from your own wife/gf. In my example it was, “doesn’t ever try new things in bed” but it could just as easily be, “doesn’t know how to put on a good dinner”, “…keep a clean house”, etc.

What you accomplish here is twist of her shit test into your own DHV. You acknowledge the beauty or a quality in the rival, begin to set-up the rival woman as someone you might desire. Then, you reject the rival woman. And even though you didn’t reject the rival woman to her face, the psychological point–the DHV, or your own self-perception of it–will still stick with your wife/gf. Moreover, you’ve just communicated the exact ways that your wife/gf can please you or risk rejection herself.

Works like a charm–but be careful if your wife/gf has a low self-esteem. Acknowledging the rival’s large rack while your own wife is extremely self-conscious about her own micro-tits, might get you more emotion than you wanted at the moment. Such emotion is rarely a bad thing per se. Just be ready for it.

I also agree with the way you qualify the “be yourself” statement.
“A man not getting what he wants in life can observe, learn, and mimic the behaviors of confident men until he starts experiencing the success he wants and his emotional state follows in accordance.”

However I think the reader has an addition problem, one he did not mention. Unfortunately I don’t know what problem it is, but I know it is there.

I had an additional problem… I carried it for 5+ years, until mid August 2009. And it not only made acting out alpha-behaviors difficult, it completely suppressed my personality, charisma and energy to the point where I forgot I had them.

I hear ya – all those Union soldier casualties in the Civil War just weren’t enough. they shoulda done more.

And 50 years of welfare, preferential affirmative action hiring, college admissions and free scholarships? pffht – don’t get me started. No wonder you hate whites

To be fair, HP is not talking about whites. He (or she) is addressing the lack of diversity within the Republican party. I think we can all agree that the Republican party of today is not the same Republican party of the 1860s.

If you don’t mind someone telling you to stop chewing gum in class and pipe down; win. Big win over HR types, or “corporate supply managers” whatever those are.

It’s really hard to beat a shrinky dink on mind-numbing insanity and evil. I can’t even talk to one without breaking out into hives. The only thing which is possibly worse is a lawyer, though porking a lawyer at least has the daring kink factor of schtupping a lantern jawed brute with a testosterone level nearly as high as your own. Upside of a shrink; they’re completely beyond good and evil, having reduced humanity to a system of gears and levers, so if you can spin a good line of bullshit, they’re most open to letting you bone their friends.

people pursue relationships with the opposite sex for two basic reasons: 1) fucking feels good and 2) validation feels good. with men, these two tend to converge on the act of sex. women, on the other hand, are perfectly capable of separating the two. long drawn-out foreplay is a pretty good sign that she was looking for #2. with young and/or inexperienced girls there is a chance that they are legitimately worried about putting out too soon. barring those exceptions, when a woman wants sex, she will usually make penetrating her fairly easy.

what does this mean for you in your future dealings with women? first, figure out which category she’s in. if she already digs you, or percieves you as having higher value than her, all you have to do is not fuck up and pay attention to the logistics. if she has not decided whether you are fuck-worthy or not, then you’ve got some work to do. the key is to remember that she wants attention and validation just as badly as you want to fuck her. to that end she will feign all manner of vulnurability and indecisiveness. don’t buy it. she’s likely been playing this game since junior high. she knows exactly what she wants and how far she’ll go to get it. you need to go in with the same level of commitment and will power.

also, you need to learn the power of simply turning your back. PUAdom is full of verbal and physical tricks that work to varying degrees of effectiveness. turning your back on a woman in bed is one of the most surprisingly effective. i first read about it in the game and couldn’t imagine how something so simple could actually be of any value. to my surprise, however, it almost always succeeds in getting woman to re-engage and continue to escelate.

“Wow, Roissy – you don’t date relationship/love blogging females? A good number of the women who regularly comment here have those types of blogs”

The prosecution rests. Next!

Fun experience of youth: schtupping a woman who wrote soft porn as a hobby, then dumping her and reading the insane “story of o” crap she wrote about our “relationship.” So awesome. Even better: denying a “poet” the wonders of your penis, and having her refer to you as her Beatrice. Artistic and “creative” women -they behave so amusingly.

It’s emails, like those above,
that provide me with the warm,
perpetually replenishing wellspring of encouragement
to freely expand my Asshole Game still further
safely to the far-flung reaches of the universe,
happily knowing
that even educated readers of roissy
are clueless herbs

god, that first email. foreigner? hopefuless beta? Sometimes it seems that the people that study and religiously apply “game” the most are the ones who understand the least. Put down the cell phone, a text message can be so dangerous and anti-productive. If you havent fucked the chick yet then move the fuck on. Jesus Christ.

Semi-apropos of email #3, people might be interested in this episode of Trick or Treat, in which Derren Brown tries to turn a beta into an alpha by (among other things) getting him to mimic the mannerisms of an alpha.

so true, just caught that on Cable last night, I remember loving that movie when it came out, but now that I understand game it makes me just hate the character. A great nomination for the occasional Roissy series on game (or lack thereof) in movies

How do you react to the “is she hotter than me” shit test? I can laugh most shit tests off pretty effectively, but this one utterly baffles me.

It baffles me that anyone would be baffled by this test. It’s the most obvious of shit tests out there. You can reframe it as Roissy suggested by turning it into a question of her self-confidence. That’s a good move.

When I was single, the best way I found of dealing with it was to instantly put on a too obvious poker face and give her exactly the answer she wants in a monotone voice. Don’t make the poker face clownishly obvious, but discernible enough so that she knows you know what she’s up to.

For example, she’ll ask, “Do you think that girl is prettier than me?”

Straight-faced, monotone response, “No.”

Her, “Seriously. I want to know.”

Again, “No.”

At that point–unless she’s fucking hopeless–she’ll get the point and try appeasement, “No, really, I want to know.”

Now, she’s put herself in a position where she’ll be the one clearly in the wrong with no excuse if she freaks out. Even so, I suggest rewording the question to avoid giving her everything she wants, “Do you want to me to say if I think she’s pretty? Yeah. She’s pretty.”

Now she has to take it, and you’ve established limits for her–which pretty much all women want to see in a man. Moreover, she’s just not likely to ask that sort of question again. I’ve never had to deal with it twice myself.

that first email left me almost sick. I can tell the guy is beta by the length of his email and how he has to explain everything out in full value. Dude, leave SOME SHIT for us to think about or figure out. Not everything needs to be explained in full detail.

Women love mystery and thinking about what you’re thinking about them (and other things). I see too many guys, even guys with game, get worried about the fact that the woman might not get what they are saying whether it be a joke or whatever, and then either explaining it further or even worse, taking back or changing what they said.

Roissy – good call on the anti-slut mechanism, that’s exactly what I was thinking as soon as he got the “good luck” SMS. And dude, “LOL” as a response? Are you huffing?

Roissy is just rationalization all over the place. He couldnt account for how his lame theory cant explain why Jews(major producers and wealth accumulators) PREDOMINANTLY VOTE democratic/liberal.

By Roissy’s reasoning, Jews should vote for republicans because they offer less taxations, more corporate friendly, and less social welfare and more corporate welfare/corporate communism. But jews dont. Instead they vote predominantly for democrats. Despite all the “isreal-loving” by the neocons.

Cultural views and ideology is more important than wealth when it comes to voting

Cuban americans hated the democratic party for generations because of kennedy’s bay of pigs. If bay of pigs had a different outcome, kennedy would have locked down the cuban american vote for the democratic party for years. All the democratic party attempt to bribe and pull the cuban americans away from the republicans completely failed. again and again.

This goes to my next point:

When the republicans expended an obviously futile effort attacking and shredding sonia sotomayor. calling her names, “racist”, “reverse racist,”. How do you think HISPANICS are going to feel? How do you think they are going to feel for generations about the first hispanic on the supreme court and the load of republican white men relentlessly, viciously attacking her?

I mean, the democrats were DISGUSTINGLY GENTLE with Alberto Gonzales because they know the bad optics of a full on assault on Gonzales nomination. This is the core point: YOUR GOP RACISM ALWAYS GET IN YOUR WAY.

””””””’collegeboy
When you hear the words I’m late that shit ain’t on tv its real life and you just been sentenced to 18 to life.

What are you trying to say? I didn’t get that.
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Well late on her period. Like my chic/friend I have been fucking told me she is late. Like a week late. She tried to buy me a worlds greatest dad keychain yesterday been having some fun wth me. She is like I won’t tell the gov about you being father as long as you take care of your kid. I am like exactly what a woman would say. Already trying to grab some power. I am like first off I don’t want a kid. I told you from beginning that I was married. I am going to be leaving to go live with my wife. We are just friends. She is like we are more than just friends. I am like no. So she has been going bck and forth all week on yea I am not going to have kid then I want to have your kid. I bought a test kit which she ran under the faucet and came up negative surprize. I asked her if she ran under faucet she is like yea after saying she was negative. I am like wtf is wrong with you. Woman carry a lotto ticket in their uterous. All they have to do is pop out kid and they get monthly check. Totally unfair system. Without the sytem maybe i’d give her a kid. With system fuck that. The bitch is tenacious though. She came on her period and is like when I get off we can try to have a kid next week. I am like hell no. You have been a good friend and retaught me a valuable lesson. From now on I am gonna be celibate in the states. Unless of course I pay for the woman to leave or its a blowjob or jacking me off. Be like yea we can go out but I can’t fuck you because of the current laws that fuck up guys lives.

@ Huff – Poor reading comprehension. He didn’t say that economic class is correlated to party affiliation across the economic spectrum. He said poor people vote for whoever gives them the free goodies. The opposite doesn’t necessarily follow: that the rich will always vote Republican.

In your anger and bitter haste to score political points the cohesion of your argument is suffering. We’re not on TV. Check to make sure your point makes sense before firing off that angry comment.

The wealthiest of all cultures tend to vote Democrat because the marginal increase in their taxes doesn’t effect their lifestyle. It’s the middle and upper middle class, the working professionals of all stripes, that are most hurt by Democratic policies.

Got to try and pass on knowledge to the younger folks. Of course it is still hard to learn certain lessons if you like pussy. Bitches in states gonna have to learn to ignore their own pleasure though fuck that. he he he

[editor: thanks for the links. juicy gossip bathroom reading. i’m not sure what you’re driving at. i don’t have a problem with vk or roosh banging bloupies. as for the blog war, i wasn’t involved with that. i’m pretty satisfied with my level of non-blogger chick drama.]

“The only minorities in the GOP are the smart ones. That’s why there are so few.”

Yeah. That’s the essence of the racial alignment in politics.

Huffington Post clearly doesn’t get that the logical conclusion to his NAMification of America future is a mass exodus of the productive whites and Asians from the US. There isn’t going to be a “white” slavery, you can count on that. Then they can enjoy their average 90 IQ society with its attendant Third World misery.

No, I actually do agree, but I don’t think HP will like how the game plays out. He’s touting liberal Jews, for example, as pillars of the Democratic party, and they are, ever eager to defend NAM’s.

Now, who’s the most anti-Semitic group in America outside of Arabs? Blacks, followed by Hispanics. Obama’s ex-spiritual mentor himself liked to blather on about the Jews. So if HP thinks his solicitude towards fashionable minorities will win him real respect and friends amongst them, he’s fucking kidding himself. They’ll take the monetary and political gains he offers, and then shove him aside with nary a “Thanks, Cracker.”

What the fuck is Huffington Post doing here? None of what he/she is talking about is the slightest bit relevant to this post. It’s barely relevant to the blog in general. And I don’t think I’ve ever read any commenters identify as “Republican,” nor do they ever seem to be to invested in Republican electoral strategy.

the right answer to #3 would have been, keep at it. it’s a life long process – inner game develops naturally with age and experience. don’t fake anything – improve your life one step, one day at a time, get good role models and mentors, and always have basic self respect. never prostrate or humiliate your self not for a female, not for a job, etc. the rest follows. platitudes, i guess, but it was a more serious question than the answer indicated -and more than just “observe and mimic”. inner confidence is the foundation for everything in life, and we all have our insecurities, like it or not.

blogger chicks? eh, that’s just the modern-day electronic expression of garden variety female exhibitionism and self-absorbtion. not fatal sins, because the traits are always there, but higher than average and much more drama. never had the experience, and highly unlikely to now of course, but in my single days i wouldn’t have viewed a blog as a dealbreaker.

“The only minorities in the GOP are the smart ones. That’s why there are so few.”

Michael Steele isn’t exactly a real man of genius. If anything, the GOP has been more painfully awkward in its attempts at PC pandering than the Democrats. The problem with Al Gonzalez wasn’t his mendacity as much as his obvious lack of qualification. The same is true of a lot of their leading female lights, like Palin, who might have been a good candidate ten years down the road, but was pretty awful last year.

Look at huffy again someone trying to have some moral superiority but want a whole group to die. I don’t feel I am morally superior but I will be sure and make you all die. The experiement is over it has failed.

“Does responding “LOL” really let the girl know “she’s gotten to him” as Roissy says? It seems to me more like the problem (if any) is that it’s mocking her. Help me out here.”

I agree, I didn’t understand why this was so earth shatteringly bad. Using internet acronyms is pretty boner-ish in general, and typing them in all caps like that is especially, but I wouldn’t think it’d be a total game-killer. The one-size-fits-all “laugh it off” response to a shit test seems like a pretty standard strategy for the newly initiated into game. I could imagine a slight variation of his text salvaging his idiotic, pre-coital femme fatale “joke” (which may have been bad enough to be a game-killer, given other factors about him–the straw that broke the camel’s back so to speak), for example, “haha. so i’ll see you at X next Y?”

””””””’JB
“The only minorities in the GOP are the smart ones. That’s why there are so few.”

Yeah. That’s the essence of the racial alignment in politics.

Huffington Post clearly doesn’t get that the logical conclusion to his NAMification of America future is a mass exodus of the productive whites and Asians from the US. There isn’t going to be a “white” slavery, you can count on that. Then they can enjoy their average 90 IQ society with its attendant Third World misery.
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Kind of the point what else can an actually smart man do but get the fuck out under current oppresion laws. Lack of freedom of sexual expression without a massive penalty for life. Inability to have any type of teamwork with a bitch. The only thing ya can do with them is let them cook and beg for dick. OTher than that quite useless.

I don’t think lack of intelligence is his primary problem. Seems more like he desperately craves approval from his own race, which is deadly in his current post. Kenneth Blackwell would have been a much better choice.

“If anything, the GOP has been more painfully awkward in its attempts at PC pandering than the Democrats. ”

They’re just D..U..M..B.. The diversity pick is about getting the PC-conscious whites OK with Republicans, not the NAMs.

They’re just D..U..M..B.. The diversity pick is about getting the PC-conscious whites OK with Republicans, not the NAMs.

That is true, but if you’re going to do it, do it with NAM’s with some credibility. Colin Powell, whatever you want to say about his tenure, was at least a credible candidate. The others have been so painfully transparent AA picks that they do more damage than good.

I’m a resident of Europe and probably the oldest commenter here but I can’t remember ‘hours of foreplay’ EVER, not even during my beta days (way back in the 60s). Either the girls did it pretty pronto by the second date, or they gave you the brush off and that was the end of the story.

Perhaps the USA is just part of a different planet.

HOURS of foreplay! Doing what? The number of sexually interesting human orifices is limited to three.

However of those latinos, the only 1 hispanic group th GOP has is Cubans! GOP has a good 85% of the Cuban vote, they are very desicive in FL elections. The other 10% are broken up into 10% Dems, and 5% Communists working for the Cuban gov’t.

God. How is the author of the first letter in a position to get a date with a PhD chick in the first place? I suppose we have a Nathaniel Schnerdling on our hands, but still, the question remains: what in him appealed to this woman? I’m guessing they met through an online dating site, because by the sound of it, this guy had a serious case of one-itis and a lack of charm. I’m talking middle school level mistakes here. He couldn’t have charmed her into a date in real life. “No previous experience” lends credence to the idea that this was an online setup.

Is online dating a good way to develop game, or do you guys recommend day approaches or night poaching to start building up your rapport? It’s my experience that, as Roissy has documented here before, online dating sites act as ego inflators, making a BBW whale who is a 4 feel like an 8 after receiving 1,000 volleys from omegas and betas. Best to be avoided unless you’ve already got some skill.

[editor: when i first read #1’s email i thought it was a parody. but i decided to play it straight. for entertainment value.]

weeklybrainfood, as a guy who grew up in the mecca of hot women, Russia, I’ll tell you principles of the Game are *exactly the same*. The only differences – foreign girl perhaps would treat a beta a little nicer (though in earlier stages even there difference is negligible – they’ll be bitchy and flake all the same). But that won’t help you in the long run. Read Roosh’s post on american chicks.

Reading #1’s email, all I can think is: I have never heard a better argument for legalized prostitution. If #1 could just get laid anytime he wanted, he would never bother with head games from a PhD psycho.

You are a repugnant gonorrhea infested butt plug of a man. That your stinking, stocking and garter belt clad carcass hasn’t yet been found evacuating its bowels all over a stack of gay kiddie porn in the closet of a seedy motel after a session of autoerotic asphyxiation gone terribly wrong is nothing short of amazing.

I kinda feel bad for piling on with everyone else about the intense, painful beta-tude of emailer #1. But when I read shit like this, it reminds me that there can never be such a thing as total game saturation in society.

Either this person is lying about having read all of Roissy’s advice, in which case this level of fail is due to laziness; or this person has read everything in which case this has to be some kind of genetic betatude.

I think Roissy, or somebody, has made this point before: there will always be people too lazy to do the necessary work, and there will always be people too stupid to figure it out.

Not that this necessarily applies to you, emailer dude. At least you are reaching out for help. Best of luck.

Bill Clinton stated recently that “demographic” changes in the USA have hurt the American right wing. That is as explicit an admission as possible on the Democrats’ plan for this country. Make it dumb, Hispanic, and poor. Massive latino immigration is their key for an iron hold on power.

Since they have succeeded, notice California, notice our current administration in D.C., the only course of action for whites is to embrace their role as the hereditary upper class. I won’t mind having servants. The upper classes live quite well in South America. The hard part will be getting rid of our Northern European instincts of socialism and eqalitarianism, with which this country is burdened. Get rid of free education, free lending libraries, welfare, and free health care. Teach the latinos in Spanish. They will need only a cursory understanding of English.

Mike: Only if you’re enough of a pussy to be manipulated or condescended, too. Most females doctors I’ve met want my semen. They put off having children to finish medical school. Clock starts ticking, and they look for a mate with good genes.

Nobody said they wouldn’t take the load…..they’re used to nurturing all day and naturally feel above everyone. It gets old having to put them in their place all of the time. If that’s the best you can do then go for it.

What most white liberals do not understand is that any and all demographic changes in the United States will occur in the Democratic Party first. White liberals like Huff will be made minorities first within their own party. Let’s see what it’s like being a Democrat when you’re not in control.

As for Jews, they vote Democrat because they think the Holocaust was caused by nationalism and poverty. They think Democrat-supported welfare reduces poverty while Democrat-supported immigration reduces the nationalism of the white people that killed them in Germany.

What they don’t realize is that their support for Democrats is importing a cadre of hostile, poor foreign nativists who hate them. Jews over-representation in the SWPL cult blinds them to these realities and generates these silly voting patterns.