Iceback

no1 wrote:why would any1 expect poof's personal opinion to be described in the use policy?

exactly my point, she had an opinion and expressed it, yet didn't want others to feel free to express theirs.There is not a written policy prevent sharing of opinions, political or other wise, why would some one feel the need to admonish another for expressing one. Opinions are shared in this forum all the time.
I hardly think expressing aproval for the leader of your country as a political statement. That is my opinion.

Iceback

no1 wrote:i rather think she would want others to feel free to express their opinions on non-political and nonreligious topics, just as she did.

edit: feel free to criticise castle!

I'm sorry I thought it was up to the owner of the site to set rules of what can and can not be discussed....my mistake.
I respect her and Gman right to express their opinions but in doing so one invites rebuttal.

Again,I hardly think expressing aproval for the leader of your country as a political statement.

edit//The Castle comment was meant as satire, however, because I don't like Castle would or would not prevent me from comment. I know others enjoy the show so I choose to Serious TIE Fighters United and not rain on their parade.

I'm in a foul mood today so I'm shutting up now.Feel free to add your opinion or not. I invite debate, it is after all still a right in this country, and that is MY political opinion.

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Turken

hrmmm. kinda glad I was out yesterday. All the talk of not-talking, bit confusing.

Personally, even though I don't like it, I'd have to say politics is still fair game for discussion around here, simply because I even less like the idea of being prevented from discussing something at all. Especially since the political topics of late are going to affect our everyday lives whether we like it or not.

Now, that said, letting the politics devolve into personal attacks and anger, should definitely be avoided.

dontwantaname

My mothers dad was the last person to come to america. He came in 1913.
We considered my mother the 1st generation. We were working on birth.
I have seen it done by saying the person coming over was the first generation.

So what is 1st? The person all african? The first mix of blood?
Didn't many slaves have white blood mixed in?

You know black people here look nothing like Africans anymore.

Well, in the end, they didn't want marriage to be allowed, because they all had girlfriends among their slaves. Can't have them wanting the owner get divorced and ruin his proper Christian white marriage.

Yeah, politics. But old politics.
I wonder if more politicians cheat than the average population?
Then and now.

WE LURV YOU TOO! Dork!!!
No greater love is lost than that not shared.

Turken

so they did at the time, even if it is wrong by today's standards. the problem with that law (and why it was rightly repealed later) is that it discriminated based on race -- something which is inherent and unchangeable in a person. Same-sex marriage, however, is an issue of lifestyle choice. It truly concerns me how so many keep trying to equate the homosexuality movement with the civil rights movement, when the two are not even remotely on the same level.

j5

Turken wrote:something which is inherent and unchangeable in a person. Ghay marriage, however, is an issue of lifestyle choice. It truly concerns me how so many keep trying to equate the homosexuality movement with the civil rights movement, when the two are not even remotely on the same level.

Yes, they are exactly on the same level. That's the problem. Defining it as a "lifestyle choice" is the disconnect, since it is not (in most cases).

eta: and even if it were purely a lifestyle choice, why would it matter who one chooses to marry? Of what consequence is it to anyone except those engaged in the process?

eta2: please note, this is neither politics nor religion, but current events.

dontwantaname

Don't have to go to lunch with Mom for her birthday. A step niece and her mom are going.

They strongly protested the no party thing. But at 90, unless you love parties, you can't hear what is going on.
I voted the party down. Said Mom would be happier with a series of lunch or dinner dates.

So I took her to lunch on tuesday.
Her brother and my cousin's parents took her out last night, They went for lunch. Got home at 11pm. Old people eat slow! Uncle is 92. My cousin's parents must be late 80's or early 90's.

Today lunch with step granddaughter and her mom.

Mom worked at UPS with this younger women. They were friends. When the younger women was dating her husband, all the women in the office thought he was a jerk.
They married. He was a jerk, she had 3 kids and got divorced. Although the ex husband has always been in his kids lives.
Lets say their divorce was better than the marriage. No problem inviting both to a party. Even after she remarried.

The jerk had a father working at UPS. When my Dad died, Jerk's father started dating my mom. So my mom ended up stepmom to the guy she didn't think was good enough to marry her friend!
As far as the grandkids, she is the only grandmother on the dad's side they have ever had.

They are taking Mom out to a nice lunch today. Which is what mom wanted. Quiet, easy to hear. Not crowed.

A step brother had her over last week for dinner with the entire family there.

Step sister is doing Mothers Day with her daughter and grandkids. That is early .11am. Daughter has to go to her husbands family in the afternoon.

So instead of one party, a bunch of lunches and dinners.

I didn't know Sun was at 11am.

I had to tell my sister in law last week if we were going to lunch with that side of the family.

We may be going solo!

WE LURV YOU TOO! Dork!!!
No greater love is lost than that not shared.

Turken

j5 wrote:Yes, they are exactly on the same level. That's the problem. Defining it as a "lifestyle choice" is the disconnect, since it is not (in most cases).

sorry, but they are not on the same level.

you cannot choose your race (or whether you're born of a particular gender, or with a particular handicap, or any of the other protected classes). but sexual orientation is a conscious decision that a person makes (and can change repeatedly) on their own. it is a choice, and as such, is subject to the moral codes (i.e. laws) of the society in which that choice is made.

j5

Turken wrote:sexual orientation is a conscious decision that a person makes (and can change repeatedly) on their own. it is a choice, and as such, is subject to the moral codes (i.e. laws) of the society in which that choice is made.

pooflady

dontwantaname wrote:Don't have to go to lunch with Mom for her birthday. A step niece and her mom are going.

They strongly protested the no party thing. But at 90, unless you love parties, you can't hear what is going on.
I voted the party down. Said Mom would be happier with a series of lunch or dinner dates.

So I took her to lunch on tuesday.
Her brother and my cousin's parents took her out last night, They went for lunch. Got home at 11pm. Old people eat slow! Uncle is 92. My cousin's parents must be late 80's or early 90's.

Today lunch with step granddaughter and her mom.

Mom worked at UPS with this younger women. They were friends. When the younger women was dating her husband, all the women in the office thought he was a jerk.
They married. He was a jerk, she had 3 kids and got divorced. Although the ex husband has always been in his kids lives.
Lets say their divorce was better than the marriage. No problem inviting both to a party. Even after she remarried.

The jerk had a father working at UPS. When my Dad died, Jerk's father started dating my mom. So my mom ended up stepmom to the guy she didn't think was good enough to marry her friend!
As far as the grandkids, she is the only grandmother on the dad's side they have ever had.

They are taking Mom out to a nice lunch today. Which is what mom wanted. Quiet, easy to hear. Not crowed.

A step brother had her over last week for dinner with the entire family there.

Step sister is doing Mothers Day with her daughter and grandkids. That is early .11am. Daughter has to go to her husbands family in the afternoon.

So instead of one party, a bunch of lunches and dinners.

I didn't know Sun was at 11am.

I had to tell my sister in law last week if we were going to lunch with that side of the family.

We may be going solo!

That's what we did with my m-i-l's 90th birthday. Each child and each grandchild took her out to dinner. Made a calendar. I think she went out 12 times.

Turken

care to back that up with any sort of evidence that it is NOT a choice?

sexual orientation is like alcoholism. you might be born with a set of characteristics which lend to a particular proclivity. you may also be born into a household or societal situation which encourages a particular behavior as normal. BUT, ultimately, how an individual acts upon these nature and nurture influences is up to them. Some individuals may find it very easy or very difficult to enter or leave these lifestyles, but the option (in either direction) is always there.

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