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believe nothing...Fri, 11 Nov 2016 22:09:03 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=4.5.4By: knarlyknighthttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105732
Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:00:43 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105732Of course it can kill you, and it is probably what killed Ivins. My point is why choose to die that way? It takes give or take 2 days and you feel sick as shit the whole time. Where’s the evidence that he took it intentionally, or how do they know no-one else poisoned him with it?
]]>By: enkiduhttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105642
Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:10:37 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105642no bold here – mb its an older or off brand browser?
might interpret the html code differently

knarls – a bunch of codeine and alcohol can definitely kill you
or that giant spliff that girl was enjoying (nice pic NL!)

This whole ‘suicide’ reeks of a cover up – too neat, too tidy
too many open questions that point to something other than a single rogue wwnj scientist helping gwb get his war on

Conclusive evidence of means, motive and opportunity are missing
Case Analysis in a Nutshell

1. Ivins cannot be placed at the Princeton mailbox at either of the two times he would have to have been there.

2. There are additional hoax letters that have not been discussed by FBI in the information released Wednesday; may we assume Ivins could not be placed at those mailbox locations during the requisite windows of opportunity?

3. No official evidence has come forward indicating the nature of the Daschle/Leahy spore preparation, nor whether Ivins possessed the knowledge regarding its production, or access to the necessary equipment.

4. No convincing motive has been presented, although a variety of implausible motives have been suggested.

5. Although many other people with a strong motive can be identified, there is no evidence they were investigated by FBI and exculpated.

6. “The FBI sought out the best experts in the scientific community and, over time, four highly sensitive and specific tests were developed that were capable of detecting the unique qualities of the anthrax used in the 2001 attacks.” However, details about the microbial forensic analysis have not been released, and may not be available for months or years pending publication. Scientists doubt that any forensic analysis can do more than identify the precise strain of anthrax.

7. The pre-franked envelopes could not be identified as coming from Ivins’ post office, as initially claimed, but were instead sold in multiple post offices, none of which was definitely in Frederick.

8. Ivins was not the “sole custodian” of the RMR-1029 strain; over 100 people had access to it and they may have shared it with others. How was Ivins selected as a suspect and the others exonerated?

9. Handwriting analysis has not linked him to the crime.

10. He could not be linked to the Quantico letter that fingered Dr. Assaad. He could not be linked to any efforts to finger Dr. Hatfill.

11. No physical evidence links him to the crime: this includes the tape on the letters, fibers, human DNA, spores in his car, home or personal effects, evidence of any kind he travelled to the areas where the letters were mailed, including purchasing enough gasoline for a 7 hour trip to Princeton, twice.

12. He passed two polygraph examinations at Fort Detrick.

13. Since the FBI has been unable to build a convincing case against any one individual in the 7 years since the letters were sent, why didn’t it focus on identifying a conspiracy of individuals who together may have been able to perform the complex actions required to send the anthrax letters and hoax letters?

Posted by Meryl Nass, M.D. at 9:45 AM
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Open Questions on a Closed Case

by Gerry Andrews

ON Wednesday, the United States Justice Department revealed its evidence that Dr. Bruce E. Ivins, on his own, committed the worst act of bioterrorism in the country’s history. This 18-year veteran scientist of the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Md., is accused of killing five people and sickening 17 others in the fall of 2001. Dr. Ivins died on July 29 of an apparent suicide without a chance to give his side of the story.

After reading the affidavits and listening to the Justice Department briefing, I was both disheartened and perplexed by the lack of physical evidence supporting a conviction.

Dr. Ivins was a friend and colleague of mine for nearly 16 years. We worked together at Fort Detrick. He was a senior scientist, and I was, first, a bench scientist and, from 1999 to 2003, the chief of the bacteriology division.

I raise autopsy, and it’s like no one knows the issue. Answer: they took a blood sample, found OD of Acetominophen (& codeine) , and the investigation into cause of death stopped right there. OD on this drug is slow and painful – it took Ivins at least 2 days to die – why woud Ivins choose slow and painful? You can rule out mistake, it would be hard to ingest an OD amount by mistake, especially for a biochemist! Why wouldn’t Ivins take sleeping pills or rat poison?

Ivins was found unconscious at home in the early morning of July 27 and died at Frederick Memorial Hospital on July 29, 2008 from an overdose of acetominophen with codeine,[47][4] an apparent suicide. No autopsy was ordered following his death.[48] Immediately after news of his death, the FBI refused to comment on the situation.[4]

What kind of a biochemist woiuld kill themself with Acetominophen and codeine????

on August 6, 2008, FBI and DOJ officials formally announced that the Government had concluded that Ivins was likely to have been solely responsible for “the deaths of five persons, and the injury of dozens of others, resulting from the mailings of several anonymous letters to members of Congress and members of the media in September and October, 2001,

He did it all by himself? Hmmm. It took 19 arabs and a man in an Afghan cave to hijack them airplanes, and one biochemist to make an anthrax compaound the FBI couldn’t replicate in years, and get the nation whipped further into a panic about baad Arab invading the homeland. The power of nightmares.

]]>By: J.A.Y.S.O.N.http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105588
Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:17:39 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105588Why is everything in boldface all of a sudden?
]]>By: shcbhttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105586
Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:33:34 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105586although when I was growing up in Kansas, the cowboys were some of the biggest dopers around. the rodeo kids, not the real cowboys. And no one will ever confuse a cowboy for a liberal, rodeo or real.
]]>By: shcbhttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105584
Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:18:42 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105584yeah, Rosen always says that in the 60’s the conservative kids went to football games to drink beer and meet chicks, the liberal kids went to protests to smoke dope and meet chicks.
]]>By: NorthernLitehttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105581
Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:13:24 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105581I like my spliffs like this:

]]>By: NorthernLitehttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105580
Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:11:41 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105580That’s okay, I think it’s mostly a liberal thing. ;)
]]>By: shcbhttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105579
Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:05:15 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105579ok, google cleared that up for me, never heard it called that before. Not me, I tried pot twice in the 70’s and couldn’t get the taste out of my mouth for two days
]]>By: shcbhttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105577
Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:54:54 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105577what is a spliff?
]]>By: NorthernLitehttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105576
Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:40:39 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105576That’s actually what I do a lot of, too, shcb.

Add in a nice big spliff and we’re good.

]]>By: shcbhttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105571
Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:47:16 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105571I don’t know, I just read the google description. I don’t read smear books… too many productive things to do in life like sit on the deck with a good dog at your side, a beer in your hand, watching a thunderstorm in the distance.
]]>By: enkiduhttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105569
Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:02:36 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105569a rightwing blog no doubt? riiiight

Ivins a Dem? riiiight

you freaks will stoop to any depth, play any dirty trick to stay in power

have your read your Obama smear book yet? I am enjoying The Audacity of Hope and disappointed with Benizar Bhuto’s book so far.

I wouldn’t put too much stock into any of those rumors yet, if there were no autopsy done how do they know what he died of? I think it was the Huffington post piece I read that said the autopsy hadn’t been released yet. That is probably were the rumors came from. Don’t bother sending a bunch of links to other blogs, I saw them. I’m pretty sure an autopsy is required in all criminal cases. He was a chemist and an expert on poisons, I would think he knew how to do it right. Overdose by aspirin probably isn’t true either. This case is probably still ongoing, when it’s finished we’ll get a full report.

Inky, I read he was a Democrat and very pro life (I think) anyway the Dems he sent the Anthrax to were on the opposite side of the abortion issue. I got that from a blog though, so take it through that filter.

]]>By: enkiduhttp://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105564
Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:03:55 +0000http://www.lies.com/wp/2008/08/02/on-anthrax-bentonite-and-conspiracies/#comment-105564knarls – re: ivins
no autopsy (convenient!)
but a possible explanation: he was hitting the bottle as the investigators closed in, I also read somewhere that he was taking acetaminophen with codeine. alcohol x codeine = death

but we’ll never know for certain, as the lack of a autopsy means we just need to trust our bush justice system… yeah…

After listening to the GG article (I have the text spoken to me by my mac while I work) I am even more convinced this wasn’t just some solo bad guy (the linking of the anthrax attacks to both islamonutjobs and Iraq are just too convenient).