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Is this the high point of your humour? Is this what tickles you? Your worshipers of Taghut, you worshipers of lies, you wouldn't know "sachhai" even if it stared you in the face. It doesn't matter what you call progressives but a handful of us have exposed the nefarious and corrupt cult that on a daily basis is making a mockery of Islam and our Bohra faith. You call yourself abde and that about explains everything. You are a slave, a blind follower with a closed mind. Not different from those stupid Modi bhakts and racist misogynist Trump fans. You can continue to wallow in your ignorance, stupidity and slavery. You are the reason the world is still such a sad and messed up place.

what's really funny is the dummies chanting a certain hate preacher's name in Bohra masjids. These people are like addicts. They are addicted to something that will destroy them in the long run. They just don't know it.

Mr. Heptullah -- the Kothar's errand boy in East Africa brags about how they oppressed Bohras who challenged the clergy. He takes sucking-up to his master to new heights. He is laying down the law on wearing topi and growing beard - and those who will not comply face dire consequences - a thousand shillings and social boycott. This man is openly threatening people. "There is no way out" he says. And top of that claims savab for enforcing the rules. And people listen to without a peep. What has happened to Bohras???!!

... And people listen to without a peep. What has happened to Bohras???!!

I guess your question is rhetorical, as we all know the answer to this: Bohras are spineless cretins. There is not one Bohra who has courage to stand up to the Iblisi Mafia. They may all complain and grumble in private, but at the end of the day will bow to the pressure from the pet dogs of the semi-literate buffoon Muffy. (Thanks to Humsafar for this concise description of the barbarian at the helm of the bleating flock of sheep).

Bohras are very submissive by nature. In Gujrathi there is a word "bai-la", i.e. a very effeminate man. This applies to > 95% of Bohri men. They have no courage, no self-respect and no ability or desire to stand up for themselves. The Iblisi Mafia will humiliate them, beat them, fine them, exclude them, but they will keep going back, head on dirt and backsides raised, to receive another round of sounds kicks on their gluteus maximus.

At this point, this bai-la character is genetically embedded into the Bohra bloodstream, so to expect any "peep" out of these sheep is too much to ask. We can wonder at this strange evolution (or is it devolution?) of Homo Bailanus, but we know they exist in the thousands. One only needs to listen to them lose their collective minds and shout "more-la, more-la" when their Baboon King, aka Muffy, appears.

Sad what has happened to the Bohras. Made to grow facial hair like some caveman from 2000 BC, wear strange flowing robes, chop off little girl's genitials, lick spoons and plates, be insulted, fined and humiliated, shout and scream on cue, make rovah-jevu mooh and then a minute later laugh and joke. Of course, in exchange for this they get nice meals and frequent jamaans. So I guess, to the Homo Bailanus mind, it is all worth it after all.

"Bai-las", like most homo sapiens, are social creatures. By nature and conformity they congregate around a common cause, seeking unity with others, with herd mentality as the driving force. Bohras since time immemorial have lapped up whatever drivel is dished out to them.

I was a class mate of Sheikh Hussenbhai in Mombasa where we studied in a technical school. His late father was a glass merchant and so was his uncle Sheikh Fidaali. Sheikh Hussenbhai surpassed his uncle in business and with his younger brother Sheikh Saifuddin established themselves as 'kings' in glass business in Kenya. The Hebatullahs employ hundreds of Bohras of unflinchable faith.

The triumvirate co-opted Y. Najmudin in Kothar (who was brutally murdered in Cairo) in concocting long term strategies to dislodge most of the pioneers, who by the way were running mosques and jamaats, helping widows and orphans, availing free medical help, granting lavish scholarships, etc., During their tenure they were waqfed hundreds of rental properties to run jamaat's affairs.

The Hebatullah's were instrumental in the liquidation of all these properties and remitting funds to Mumbai. Their financial resource was ever-spiralling Wajebaats and all relates dues. Dissidents were given the sharaf of Moolaship and elevated to Sheikhdom to hush them up. Karze Hasana is another headlock to harass and force attendance. Sheikh Husenbhai has established inroads into some of the top political and financial circles. This is done by donating millions of Shillings (Community's money) to President on down to grace occasions. Provision of police escorts and security well greased.

Hebatullah's fame is on the Zenith; he can recount his achievements ad infinitum; but when the final chapter is written there will be thousands who will recall his name with venom.

Is this the high point of your humour? Is this what tickles you? Your worshipers of Taghut, you worshipers of lies, you wouldn't know "sachhai" even if it stared you in the face. It doesn't matter what you call progressives but a handful of us have exposed the nefarious and corrupt cult that on a daily basis is making a mockery of Islam and our Bohra faith. You call yourself abde and that about explains everything. You are a slave, a blind follower with a closed mind. Not different from those stupid Modi bhakts and racist misogynist Trump fans. You can continue to wallow in your ignorance, stupidity and slavery. You are the reason the world is still such a sad and messed up place.

i dont know about my sense of humor but what i have observed is that reform has infact not only lost its steam..u are desperately begging to support FGM which again is a big lie.we do not follow the practice of FGM .and people can see your lies in black and white.thats the reason many people read but none are concerned.your extracts of bayaan are fake and edited to suit your purpose.your strategy is to upload a fake hearsay image or message and then start huge nonsensical forums on it.

Biradar, your characterisation of Bohra men as "bai-la" is spot on. Once you have been bamboozled into calling yourself as "abde" there's not much room left for reason or spunk. Your brain is as dead as a dodo, and the spine is as straight as a wet noodle. And the thing is, the mafia clergy have achieved a great feat of social engineering by turning fine human material into such slobbering mindless clones. Everybody talks about Artificial Intelligence these days, but bohras' intelligence has been made artificial a long time ago. They think, behave and act like programmed robots. Look at them in any life situation, and especially when their More-la is around. The level of synchronised abject behaviour is unbelievable. This is no mean feat -- this is the work of evil genius. What chance do bai-la men have against this evil machinery? People who struggle for freedom and dignity ultimately do reach their goal, no matter how long it takes. But what can you do with people who do not want to be free, who do not care about their self-dignity? This I think is the crux of the problem.

And this "guy_sam2005", is the reason why the reform movement has lost steam. There is no fire left in the belly of our bai-la men. We can only take the horse to the water but we can't make it drink it.

Note SMB’s reaction 60 seconds into the video. He is definitely agitated at the mention of his son’s name and it looks to me like he is trying to stop QE from spewing his nonsense. And look at the insensitive moron in front of SMB and those around him. They are unaffected by SMB’s agitation. The inhumanity of the whole situation is jarring. Even animals feel the suffering of their fellow creatures to a greater degree than these slavish robots do of their own spiritual father.

Note SMB’s reaction 60 seconds into the video. He is definitely agitated at the mention of his son’s name and it looks to me like he is trying to stop QE from spewing his nonsense. And look at the insensitive moron in front of SMB and those around him. They are unaffected by SMB’s agitation. The inhumanity of the whole situation is jarring. Even animals feel the suffering of their fellow creatures to a greater degree than these slavish robots do of their own spiritual father.

SMB’s sons and that quack Moiz will pay dearly for what they did to their father in his last days.

Mr. Heptullah -- the Kothar's errand boy in East Africa brags about how they oppressed Bohras who challenged the clergy. He takes sucking-up to his master to new heights. He is laying down the law on wearing topi and growing beard - and those who will not comply face dire consequences - a thousand shillings and social boycott. This man is openly threatening people. "There is no way out" he says. And top of that claims savab for enforcing the rules. And people listen to without a peep. What has happened to Bohras???!!

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Wow !!! is this guy real, can someone post the picture of this Nazi. Bohras in East Africa are stuffed i am sure he is doing all this Raza from SMS. Does anyone has guts to blacken his face and shave his beard off in East Africa ?

Note SMB’s reaction 60 seconds into the video. He is definitely agitated at the mention of his son’s name and it looks to me like he is trying to stop QE from spewing his nonsense. And look at the insensitive moron in front of SMB and those around him. They are unaffected by SMB’s agitation. The inhumanity of the whole situation is jarring. Even animals feel the suffering of their fellow creatures to a greater degree than these slavish robots do of their own spiritual father.

SMB’s sons and that quack Moiz will pay dearly for what they did to their father in his last days.

Towards the end of his life, SMB was not fully aware of what was happening around him. From this video clip it seems that he was desperately trying to stop Quid Chor from going on and on about how great his brother, i.e. the semi-literate barbarian Muffy, was. The poor man had his mouth stuffed with dentures, so much so that he could not even close his lips and his mouth was open and gaping. His hands are shaking. Oblivious to his suffering, Quid Chor goes on and on and the sheep around him are bleating like some deranged fools.

It is amazing how, in their lust for power, SMB's own sons paraded him like a mannequin, putting him up for display in such a shameful manner. If they could nor respect their own father, what can expect about their behavior towards others? I guess the enormous horde of wealth that SMB had accumulated did not help in the end and, in fact, turned into his bane. His boys hatched and carried out the most despicable conspiracy to snatch it from his dying clutches. Now, like wolves they are devouring the community with unchecked glee.

In some way it is like a Greek tragedy. Of epic proportions with a delicious and ironic twist at the end. Sad.

Note SMB’s reaction 60 seconds into the video. He is definitely agitated at the mention of his son’s name and it looks to me like he is trying to stop QE from spewing his nonsense.

It doesnt look like Burhanuddin Maula was trying to stop anyone but that tyoical gesture he would make, while blessing the audience

about the other points, i will refrain from commenting

I disagree. He would not be doing salami in the middle of someone’s speech. I have seen him do this when he was trying to stop someone, for instance from adjusting the mic. His agitation is quite obvious. It is definitely not a peaceful salami. What is shocking is that those around him are oblivious to his discomfort because he cannot speak and put them in their place.

Yes SMB is definitly not comfortable and especially during the claim that he has appointed MS as next Dai. Its quite visible from his reaction that he is trying to stop QJ from going further. I do remember during his 100th milad i was present in one Waez and SMB just glanced at Dr Moiz and he got up immediately to cater for his needs. Ordinary people in Waez couldn't guess what was happening but Dr Moiz who was in his service from last 20+ years understood what SMB wants. While in this case SMB is raising his hand yet no one is getting up to understand his needs, WHY ? unless since now he couldn't talk they were pretty confident that he can be undermined. SMB was very vocal during his younger years and could stand and watch Udaipur mumineen getting beaten but couldn't announce his successor because of fear of what ? who ?, He had whole Mafia under world goons, police, politicians including then PM Manmohan Singh and Modi CM of gujarat under his control. So what was he afraid of announcing his successor ? DAL MAI KHUCH KALA HAI !!!!

It doesnt look like Burhanuddin Maula was trying to stop anyone but that tyoical gesture he would make, while blessing the audience

about the other points, i will refrain from commenting

I disagree. He would not be doing salami in the middle of someone’s speech. I have seen him do this when he was trying to stop someone, for instance from adjusting the mic. His agitation is quite obvious. It is definitely not a peaceful salami. What is shocking is that those around him are oblivious to his discomfort because he cannot speak and put them in their place.

ajamali: I agree with you that is unlikely he is doing salami in the middle of someone'e speech. However, in this video it seems SMB's eyes are closed and he is very likely not understanding what is going on around him. He likely can't hear Quid Chor's speech and so perhaps his hand movements are just random due to lack of control and awareness of his surroundings. Obviously, SMB had major speech and cognitive impairment after his stroke and his actions here are consistent with that. I doubt that at this point he had any cognitive awareness of his surroundings.

I disagree. He would not be doing salami in the middle of someone’s speech. I have seen him do this when he was trying to stop someone, for instance from adjusting the mic. His agitation is quite obvious. It is definitely not a peaceful salami. What is shocking is that those around him are oblivious to his discomfort because he cannot speak and put them in their place.

ajamali: I agree with you that is unlikely he is doing salami in the middle of someone'e speech. However, in this video it seems SMB's eyes are closed and he is very likely not understanding what is going on around him. He likely can't hear Quid Chor's speech and so perhaps his hand movements are just random due to lack of control and awareness of his surroundings. Obviously, SMB had major speech and cognitive impairment after his stroke and his actions here are consistent with that. I doubt that at this point he had any cognitive awareness of his surroundings.

That may very well be true.....but the lack of compassion in those around him is still a little shocking. For those of us who watched it in real-time, it was unsettling then but definitely shocking after the passage of time to see an isolated viseo like this.

If he had wanted to choose his son he would not have waited until he could not speak. He would have done it a long time ago. Get over it Mummy’s boy. SMB never picked his son. It does not surprise me that you fell for the smoke and mirrors. Because it is convenient to do so. Free is kebabs after all