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Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

In the video in 3:56 the forensic doctor shows a handgun
I've never seen this pistol before
This is Adolf Hitler or Eva Braun suicide pistol?
What is the type of this weapon? (looks like a type of the Walther but I'm not sure)

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

"PPK" is an abbreviation for Polizeipistole Kriminalmodell (Police Pistol Detective Model), "kriminal" referring to the police detective (criminal) division.[3] Adolf Hitler shot and killed himself with his PPK (a 7.65mm/.32 ACP) in the Führerbunker in Berlin.[5] The Walther PPK pistol is famous as fictional secret agent James Bond's gun in many of the films and novels: Ian Fleming's choice of the Walther PPK directly influenced its popularity and its notoriety.[6][7] Fleming had given Bond a .25 Beretta 418 pistol in early novels, but switched to the PPK in Dr. No on the advice of firearms expert Geoffrey Boothroyd.[7][8][9]

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

Originally Posted by Nickdfresh

I believe it was a Walther PPK in the 7.65mm (.32 ACP) caliber...

I also knew that Hitler's Walther PPK with a 7.65 caliber and had committed suicide with his Walther and by biting a cyanide capsule while shoot inside the head himself
Eva Braun was lying untouched gun on the table, she just took a cyanide capsule

But I was thinking two thoughts
But in the picture little bit different than other Walther pistols:

a) the gun trigger is solid (The Walther Company never made any model with solid trigger, only with normal trigger)

Another baffling question of Hitler's skull, the photograph clearly shows two things:

The strange thing is for me the place of the bullet output or exit location, because it is located next to the Foramen magnum
Which rather seems as if the ball would have input or exit of the lower section of the back of the skull
Hitler and shot herself in the skull temple, so it is quite interesting position where the ball would have input or exit on the lower area of the skull

"The consciousness that I am alive, makes me wild dreams every day"
(Helmut Wolff lieutenant colonel, one who survived the breakout of Budapest)

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

I ask gun experts says another forum,and this pistol is a third variation of a Walther Model 8 in 6.35 or 7.65 caliber (but Artur Axmann took Hitler handgun which later disappeared after becoming prisoners of war Axmann)

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

Historically, the imperial system of firearms cartridges frequently causes frustration when figuring out which thing goes to which caliber. The .32 auto pistol cartridge is a perfect example of this confusing situation. In Europe, its called the 7.65 and sometimes has the case length in mm following. In the Imperial system, it is called the .32 auto, .32 a.c.p. or the .32 Browning.
In this case, the actual bullet diameter (caliber) is .312 to .314 inches. this makes it a .31 caliber, but the imperial system loves to round up, or down the numbers. The mentioned 7.62x51 Nato cartridge is with slight differences, a .308 Winchester, and considered to be a .30 caliber. .45 caliber pistols use .452 diameter bullets, and .45 Rifles use .458. The venerable .38 special is in truth, a .35 cal. (.357 dia) and a .380 is a 9mm with a short case on it. (.355 dia.) Even Dirty Harry's famed .44 Magnum is a somewhat less impressive .429.
The .32 auto uses the same diameter(though much lighter a bullet) as the .303 British, and the Japanese 7.7 Arisaka. The .32 winchester of long ago uses .321 " bullets, and the 7.92x57 Mauser uses .323" This was also a problem created by marketing, as no one wanted to, (or were allowed to by copyright, or patent )use something that would allow for mistakes in choosing the wrong MFG's product. So poor translation between Imperial, and Metric sizes, advertising ploys, or just lazyness on the part of the nomenclature folks, it's all a very confused mish-mash of numbers.

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

Originally Posted by tankgeezer

Historically, the imperial system of firearms cartridges frequently causes frustration when figuring out which thing goes to which caliber. The .32 auto pistol cartridge is a perfect example of this confusing situation. In Europe, its called the 7.65 and sometimes has the case length in mm following. In the Imperial system, it is called the .32 auto, .32 a.c.p. or the .32 Browning.
In this case, the actual bullet diameter (caliber) is .312 to .314 inches. this makes it a .31 caliber, but the imperial system loves to round up, or down the numbers. The mentioned 7.62x51 Nato cartridge is with slight differences, a .308 Winchester, and considered to be a .30 caliber. .45 caliber pistols use .452 diameter bullets, and .45 Rifles use .458. The venerable .38 special is in truth, a .35 cal. (.357 dia) and a .380 is a 9mm with a short case on it. (.355 dia.) Even Dirty Harry's famed .44 Magnum is a somewhat less impressive .429.
The .32 auto uses the same diameter(though much lighter a bullet) as the .303 British, and the Japanese 7.7 Arisaka. The .32 winchester of long ago uses .321 " bullets, and the 7.92x57 Mauser uses .323" This was also a problem created by marketing, as no one wanted to, (or were allowed to by copyright, or patent )use something that would allow for mistakes in choosing the wrong MFG's product. So poor translation between Imperial, and Metric sizes, advertising ploys, or just lazyness on the part of the nomenclature folks, it's all a very confused mish-mash of numbers.

Thanks, TG.

Down here, we got rid of one and two cent coins years ago, with the law requiring that prices are rounded down or up to the nearest five cents, which seems reasonable.

The same approach would see the 7.65mm rounded down to .31, which is beyond common sense

My money is on advertising ploys and the commercial greed which spawn them being responsible for it being rounded up to .32.

I doubt any other industry would get away with such gross misdescriptions, e.g. you pay for 32 litres of petrol but get only 31, or pay for 32,000 metres of steel / timber / etc but get only 31,000.

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

Originally Posted by tankgeezer

Even Dirty Harry's famed .44 Magnum is a somewhat less impressive .429.

With the greatest respect to a, until now, moderator of outstanding knowledge, ability and judiciousness, you are treading on thin ice when you say anything which diminishes Dirty Harry and his .44 Magnum, being the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off.

In the interests of avoiding a further decline in your statements about Saint Clint Eastwood which, I fear, could lead ultimately to disparaging comments about The Outlaw Josey Wales, and while it is not customary for one mod to warn another on the public board, I feel I must caution you to observe proper reverence for Dirty Harry, The Outlaw Josey Wales and Saint Clint's other expressions of all that is fine and good in police and, somewhat confusingly, outlaws.

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

Originally Posted by Rising Sun*

With the greatest respect to a, until now, moderator of outstanding knowledge, ability and judiciousness, you are treading on thin ice when you say anything which diminishes Dirty Harry and his .44 Magnum, being the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off.

The 44 magnum is a powerful caliber until 2003, but nothing beats today a 500 Magnum (otherwise a close range shotgun shot is also effective to the head)

"The consciousness that I am alive, makes me wild dreams every day"
(Helmut Wolff lieutenant colonel, one who survived the breakout of Budapest)

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

Originally Posted by imi

The 44 magnum is a powerful caliber until 2003, but nothing beats today a 500 Magnum (otherwise a close range shotgun shot is also effective to the head)

To the extent that I can remember some brief forensic aspects in lectures and reading 40 or so years ago, a shotgun with the muzzle against the head will do more damage than just about any other small arm, not least because the large bore, large wad and shot are forced into the skull with an explosion of following explosive gas which is massive compared with rifled small arms, including side arms. That holds true for very short ranges of, perhaps, a few metres. The shotgun destruction is greater than a rifled small arm because the shot tends to expend its kinetic energy in a larger area of the human body than do many much smaller but much faster solid projectiles from rifled weapons, although rifled projectiles concentrate a shockwave in the organs which is also very destructive well beyond the path of penetration.

For example, at any range a fully jacketed rifled projectile hits the body at a higher velocity (feet or metres per second) than a shotgun shot round with its energy concentrated in a much smaller head than shotgun shot and, even as the rifled projectile deforms or tumbles or fragments as it hits tissue and bone, is more likely to continue through a given thickness of tissue and bone than shotgun shot. The rifled projectile will penetrate much further and on a narrower path than shot, but with greater shockwave damage to surrounding organs versus the wider penetration path of shot.

In most cases it doesn't matter what you're hit with much above a .22 if it's a standard military shot to the centre of the torso, or a full head shot, because there's enough critical organs in there that between penetration, shockwave, shock and infection that you're probably going to die sooner or later.

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

Originally Posted by Rising Sun*

In most cases it doesn't matter what you're hit with much above a .22 if it's a standard military shot to the centre of the torso, or a full head shot, because there's enough critical organs in there that between penetration, shockwave, shock and infection that you're probably going to die sooner or later.

In most cases but sometimes there are exceptions in handguns when the bullet is not worth any vein or an area of the brain which cause death, only cripple to life

"The consciousness that I am alive, makes me wild dreams every day"
(Helmut Wolff lieutenant colonel, one who survived the breakout of Budapest)

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

Originally Posted by Rising Sun*

With the greatest respect to a, until now, moderator of outstanding knowledge, ability and judiciousness, you are treading on thin ice when you say anything which diminishes Dirty Harry and his .44 Magnum, being the most powerful handgun in the world and would blow your head clean off.

In the interests of avoiding a further decline in your statements about Saint Clint Eastwood which, I fear, could lead ultimately to disparaging comments about The Outlaw Josey Wales, and while it is not customary for one mod to warn another on the public board, I feel I must caution you to observe proper reverence for Dirty Harry, The Outlaw Josey Wales and Saint Clint's other expressions of all that is fine and good in police and, somewhat confusingly, outlaws.

His Eminence, the right Honorable St. Harry's Virtue is well protected. As are that of all of his predecessors, Sir Josey of Wales, and Duke Joseph of Kidd. Even unto his progenitors of the middle ages.
Let us not forget his use of the Mssr's Smith& Wesson model 29 bestowed of the vigorous .44 Magnum cartridge, or his fondness for the Automag pistol in .44 AMP an even more potent cartridge.
It is rumored that St. Harry decended from one Harcourt Callahan,(pictured in a wood cut below) spoken of in low dulcet tones to have been the (unexpected) issue of King Henry V, and Maid of all work, Minerva Callahan. It is said that at this time, the penchant for powerful arms became the custom for the Callahan family.

Re: Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

Originally Posted by tankgeezer

His Eminence, the right Honorable St. Harry's Virtue is well protected. As are that of all of his predecessors, Sir Josey of Wales, and Duke Joseph of Kidd. Even unto his progenitors of the middle ages.
Let us not forget his use of the Mssr's Smith& Wesson model 29 bestowed of the vigorous .44 Magnum cartridge, or his fondness for the Automag pistol in .44 AMP an even more potent cartridge.
It is rumored that St. Harry decended from one Harcourt Callahan,(pictured in a wood cut below) spoken of in low dulcet tones to have been the (unexpected) issue of King Henry V, and Maid of all work, Minerva Callahan. It is said that at this time, the penchant for powerful arms became the custom for the Callahan family.

Note: All saints have their weak spots, and Saint Clint has some spectacular ones, notably the idiotic sequence towards the end of The Gauntlet where cops on either side of the bus shoot at it with gay abandon (I'm not suggesting the cops are gay, although some of them in some of Saint Clint's movies do look like they'd be happier in the Village People) and one of the all time great war (and it was a long way short of war) movie turkeys Heartbreak Ridge.