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It's probably not better.
Some people don't have access to certain puzzles, such as 6-7, clock or kilominx, and it wouldn't be quite fair to give people with more money/experience a better chance at winning.

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It's probably not better.
Some people don't have access to certain puzzles, such as 6-7, clock or kilominx, and it wouldn't be quite fair to give people with more money/experience a better chance at winning.

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The Gift Cards are back! The Cubicle are sponsoring us again, even better
than before . From next week (21) we'll have a gift card of $15 given to a
random competitor each week (from 21 - 35 at least). Just so you know beforehand .

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Hello! I'm brand new here. Do I need a Stackmat to compete here? I know it said official WCA regs so I wasn't sure. I just use a phone timer for my at home solves. Also, when they say random competitor, does that have anything to do with the times or is it truly random? Thanks.

Member

Hello! I'm brand new here. Do I need a Stackmat to compete here? I know it said official WCA regs so I wasn't sure. I just use a phone timer for my at home solves. Also, when they say random competitor, does that have anything to do with the times or is it truly random? Thanks.

Member

Hello! I'm brand new here. Do I need a Stackmat to compete here? I know it said official WCA regs so I wasn't sure. I just use a phone timer for my at home solves. Also, when they say random competitor, does that have anything to do with the times or is it truly random? Thanks.

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With FMC now being held in a mo3 format, is it still 10 points for participating? Maybe it should changed to be like 3BLD/4BLD/5BLD: 10 points if you have at least one success, or three legitimate DNFs.

Or maybe the participation points should scale with the number of successful attempts? But then you'd have people gaming the system with three crappy 60-move CFOP solves that take only a few minutes to write out, netting them over twice as many points as a successful 7BLD solve…

My pet idea is to have a two-tiered system of points for FMC:
each success: +4 points
each solve that is at most N moves long: +4 points
sympathy points if you get all DNFs: also 4 points I guess

N = 40 is probably reasonable. Even beginners should be able to get ≤40-move solutions half of the time if they spend the whole hour on the attempt. (Experienced FMCers wouldn't have any trouble finding sub-40 solutions in 15 minutes, but chances are, they probably would do a proper attempt instead of a rushed attempt anyway.) Under this system, an experienced FMCer would get 24 points after spending three hours on all three attempts, while someone just farming points would get 12 points in ten minutes. Still sounds a bit unfair, but the current system was even worse in the past years, with many people submitting ≥50-move solutions that probably took only two minutes to write, while getting 10 participation points.

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As I mentioned elsewhere, I haven't figured out how to handle the FMC mean of 3 points. I appreciate the suggestion. But as I also mentioned, it seems like participation points aren't really worth that much anymore anyway, so I'm not sure how important it really is. If we want participation points to make a big difference, we probably need to overhaul the entire points system.

As I'm not inclined to overhaul the points system right now (still recovering from this year's changes), I rather like the idea of just using your pet idea. Any objections from anyone else? Any alternative suggestions?

Wow, that's nice - it would put things back where participation points would be worth a lot of the total, like it was back in the early years, and it would be immune to increases in competitor numbers. I like it, but I wonder how others feel?

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I'm mostly for it. With the increase in number of competitors the most popular events
matters so much more than others. Being among the best in 3x3 is worth more than
winning all bld events toghether.

On the other hand I think that 3x3 should matter more than feet or 7BLD. But if you took
the rank and scaled with the square root of number of competitors so the growth in
points for an event is not linear but grows more slowly it would perhaps be better.

Kinch scores may be most fair in a way, on the other hand the place in an event does not
matter at all any longer. I still think it is fun to beat some people in an event (no one has
near the number of times coming last in events as I have so I share that joy freely )

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