"The Jokaero are famous for creating the miniaturized weapons known as digital weapons, some examples of which have ended up in the hands of Imperial agents. Such weapons are very rare as only the Jokaero have the aptitude to manufacture them."

I think that it tends to come from the helmet. It seems larger then it was before for some reason. Could be the pictures. What I'm thinking of right now as the non-helmet heads of the Grey Knights are blah, is what they would possibly look like if they had a hooded head, like the one from the Dark Angel upgrade kit. Should be cool.

Zealadin wrote:I actually am thinking the new GKT are worse than the old ones....Anyone else think that too? They are alot more chunky from what I have seen.

After seeing the actual sprues, I think they look really good. The fact that the legs are separate from the torsos, you can really make dynamic poses IMHO. The details are also astounding!

_________________"Though we face the power of hell, and death is at our side, we fear not, for the Emperor is with us through it all. If we live, we live for the Emperor. If we die, we die for the Emperor. So whether we live or die, we are the Emperor's. We are Grey Knights and this is why we came to be." --Grandmaster Rivan

"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." --Sun Tzu (from ancient Earth)

Hmmm the chests seem alot thicker and more rounded than the old ones.The GWS guy was only putting them together yesterday but the pictures make them look not quite as nice as the older terminators who I think had a more balanced set of proportions. I could be wrong, but I'll have to wait and see them in person.

we have enemies on this forum quick alert the inqusition !to be honest most daemon armies will be owned soo easily (and i also play daemons) particualry by purge squads using astral aim so even if you deep strike behind cover they still blast you,

Zealadin wrote:Hmmm the chests seem alot thicker and more rounded than the old ones.The GWS guy was only putting them together yesterday but the pictures make them look not quite as nice as the older terminators who I think had a more balanced set of proportions. I could be wrong, but I'll have to wait and see them in person.

Hmmmmm....... GW and proportions in the same sentence. Now there's something you don't see every day

_________________+++"There is nothing in the arcane and blasphemous arsenal of the forces of Chaos that can compare to faith. With the power of faith, our weapons become shining instruments of deliverance that can cleave the mightiest daemon in twain. With the power of faith, our minds appear as slivers of pure agony to the daemon, driving into the wretched forms of those who would dare stand before us. With the power of faith, our words become commands that cause the daemon to cower and cringe in terror. I could meet my enemies unarmed without a shred of fear in my chest, for I know that the Emperor watches over me and guides my hand. So let them come. We shall show them what the power of faith can do."+++ (Brother Captain Stern)

Zealadin, I agree that the old terminators do look better than the new ones. But I'm willing to conceed that the new kits are still fantastic, in that there is a huge amount of variety in both the terminator and PAGK box sets.

What I like is how the one PAGK box can be kitted out to be any PAGK unit in out dex. It also means that we won't have to scour the internet for psycannons and incinerator bitz to create our purgation squads.

Oh, now you can get the metal B-C as a single. Where the hell was he the last 8 years when I really wanted him? That's some skimpy powerfist on the van Helsing =I=. What really was it before? A needle gun?

It is a fantastic model, I've been waiting for the propa chance to pick him up. Just gotta wait a bit until I'm done with picking up the GK stuff. Though I am glad that Coteaz hasn't gone anywhere, but I am curious as to what happened to the rest of the models that went with his box, especially the dead baby.

With that Brother-Captain model, I can definitely see the possible conversion possibilities now for it (more then before) since it no longer comes in the GKT box set.

FIW, The Jokaero are an original alien race described in full in the Rogue Trader Book (1st Ed WH40k). They have stats, minor and major heroes and even ships and weapons described. If you can find a copy, take a look it's really interesting (it's on the internet if you can find it

Its a bit of a strange step for GWS though.The inquisition is generally even more xenophobic than the rest of the imperium, which is saying ALOT, and despite the codex being "Grey Knights" not "Daemon Hunters" is a huge leap of faith to suddenly be including non human races. If it was something cool, then it would have been met with a better reception, but its a monkey and pretty ugly.They should have gone for a planet of the apes kind of design instead of a orangutang in the zoo design.

in the GW web site : there's the confirmed fluff that the Emperor decided to create the GK in the late hours of the Horus Heresy and give the task to his trusted Malcador the Sigilite. and the write the yes, the gene seeds used is RUMORED to be the Emperor's ones.i'll check the fluuf of the codex today to see if there's something else.Aubec