tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post3366902996132860578..comments2012-12-30T19:03:19.203-08:00Comments on sync.sound.cinema: The Fifteen [drops tablet]...Ten! Ten Commandments of Sound for Picture! (Part Two)Christian Dolanhttps://plus.google.com/116706587494969624979noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-11268640961055012982010-10-25T16:48:50.754-07:002010-10-25T16:48:50.754-07:00I&#39;ve found a software that has been rather use...I&#39;ve found a software that has been rather useful in removing the hallway or bathroom sound in video recordings. The name of the the software is called Sonar.Terrance Sheltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-21697737785686452922009-05-19T23:21:12.600-07:002009-05-19T23:21:12.600-07:00Thanks for the commandments: I definitely fall int...Thanks for the commandments: I definitely fall into the category of ignoramus, as I just have started out filming live music gigs. One-system recording due to financial constraints ( ain't getting paid for anything ;-). Anyway, I fully agree to get sound separately, but can't find "simple" information on how to achieve it at the cheapest possible way.<br /><br />I can plug into the pa's and have a basic audio editing program on my pc, Audacity. Do I assume correctly that straight to that will be better than into the 16 bit camera?<br /><br />Any links, tips etc where to find plain english help for that stuff, and what sort of cables etc required will be very much appreciated!<br /><br />A cheeky beginner with love for music,<br />Petrapetrahttp://www.petra.thekatcave.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-74978343657807786542009-03-24T23:34:00.000-07:002009-03-24T23:34:00.000-07:00One other thing, Actually there are some ways to ...One other thing,<BR/> Actually there are some ways to remove echo from audio tracks, but they always render the final sound thinner and flat. But even these features are designed for music and usually only available in very expensive studios. Basically what you have to do is make the track so barely audible the echo disappears, but you still have a little of the main signal. Then comes the b*tch, trying to beef it up again. One cheap way to do this is to apply a slight chorus and/or very short delay to a track after "de-echoing" over and over again. Another option, besides chorus and delay, is to overlay with up 32 vocal tracks(yes I have seen 32 overlays on one vocal track). This only works if you keep pushing and dropping equalizer settings each time you re-overlay to try and get some depth and tone back. This ends up being a giant sadistic audio puzzle to mix. The attempt is usually only reserved for dead people that there is no hope for getting to sing again. Though your standard audio editing suite may have these features, these are just the things you do after destroying the audio removing the echo. In film, forget about it. You'll have birds chirping and trucks driving by and all kinds of ambient scene sounds. <BR/> The only way this could work in film would be for a monologue in a completely sealed off room, and even then, good luck getting it to come anywhere close to matching the tone of the rest of your feature. So when applied to this format, the commandment stands.<BR/> -JohnJohn Martelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-22293805468458440092009-03-24T23:03:00.000-07:002009-03-24T23:03:00.000-07:00You know, I have to take issue with the comment by...You know, I have to take issue with the comment by Ford. In my opinion sound is more important than image. <BR/> Here's why. Before I damaged my hearing I worked as an audio engineer for a few record labels. After I damaged it I moved to the picture side. But when merging the two there were plenty of times when bands would spend days getting just one part of an audio track right but then just kinda wing it on the video. The audio made or broke those videos. Think of 1980's MTV. Everything on TV looked like crap back then. But once surround sound came out, it was all about the audio, even though the image was still crap. Bands went multi-platinum even though their videos were horrible. For example, go look up the old "Queen; We are the Champions" video. In many ways I have to agree with pretty much everything in these "ten commandments" after working in film for a little while. It amazes me how little emphasis is placed on sound. Think about all the poorly animated crap shows on cartoon network and stuff like "Tim and Eric, awesome show great job!" Sure, they intentionally make the picture look amateur and cheap.But pay attention, they almost never skimp on sound. Good sound can make bad picture into a decent flick (Blair witch / Beavis and Butthead). It never really works the other way. Anyway, that's this first time posters opinion.<BR/> -JohnJohn Martelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-43253497980021694512008-02-06T03:54:00.000-08:002008-02-06T03:54:00.000-08:00As an amateur, I've read as much as I can about ho...As an amateur, I've read as much as I can about how to improve my home movies, but hands down the /most/ improvement I got was when I bought a good quality Røde shotgun mic.<BR/><BR/>I can't believe the improvement! To me, I feel like sound is more important than picture for conveying that "feeling like you are there."Kennethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-84068473630913777722007-10-20T14:16:00.000-07:002007-10-20T14:16:00.000-07:00funkbomb,While I agree about the hypercardioid mic...funkbomb,<BR/><BR/>While I agree about the hypercardioid mic, this list is for people who are either so inexperienced or simply stubborn that they have to be <I>convinced</I> to use a something other than the camera's mic.<BR/><BR/>Something nuanced like indoor mic choice can be addressed in a later post. You know, after they've seen the light. :)<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>ChristianChristian Dolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15432093362484584503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-29954491122551009912007-10-19T05:49:00.000-07:002007-10-19T05:49:00.000-07:00Perhaps there should be a "use a hypercardioid ind...Perhaps there should be a "use a hypercardioid indoors" commandment too. People ask about how to remove all sorts of nasty byproducts of simply using the wrong mic in the wrong situations.funkbombhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16007636791678217952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-82608910327583519432007-07-01T11:08:00.000-07:002007-07-01T11:08:00.000-07:00Weston,Agreed. :)-ChristianWeston,<BR/><BR/>Agreed. :)<BR/><BR/>-ChristianChristian Dolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15432093362484584503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-14305816058031085002007-07-01T10:23:00.000-07:002007-07-01T10:23:00.000-07:00Well I wouldn't go so far as to say sound is more ...Well I wouldn't go so far as to say sound is more important than image. I would say that it is just as important.Weston Fordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-58349612144704931002007-06-26T20:15:00.000-07:002007-06-26T20:15:00.000-07:00Stephen,Yes, I've seen Randy Thom's articles befor...Stephen,<BR/><BR/>Yes, I've seen Randy Thom's articles before. They were a inspiration for starting this blog in the first place. :)<BR/><BR/>Thanks for reading, and please pass it along.Christian Dolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15432093362484584503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-12798453033971604422007-06-26T15:00:00.000-07:002007-06-26T15:00:00.000-07:00Fabulous list - I'm will send people here.I'm a fi...Fabulous list - I'm will send people here.<BR/><BR/>I'm a filmmaker but also a musician and sound designer who gets roped out to run boom/location mix for filmmaker pals.<BR/><BR/>I often find the "sound is more important than picture" argument falling on deaf ears. Have you see this great article from Randy Thoms:<BR/><BR/>http://www.filmsound.org/articles/designing_for_sound.htmStephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15693636872125816367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5810546380419766499.post-29105242155608468552007-06-25T00:03:00.000-07:002007-06-25T00:03:00.000-07:00Ahhh! That sound you here was the simultaneous hap...Ahhh! That sound you here was the simultaneous happy exhalations of a thousand sound professionals. I will print this list out and hand it out to any director I work with on day 1 (in as obsequious manner as I can muster, of course).<BR/><BR/>Good advice. Thanks!Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630269468130383089noreply@blogger.com