Originally posted by byrdgang21
Seems like this would be interesting fight given their abilities.

Who wins?

Typical DBZ fanboy response: Hit stomps

Sane response: Zoom wins.

byrdgang21

Originally posted by cdtm
Typical DBZ fanboy response: Hit stomps

Sane response: Zoom wins.

It seems like it's always a stomp one way or the other. I just want to see see solid & rational arguments to support the case.

cdtm

Originally posted by byrdgang21
It seems like it's always a stomp one way or the other. I just want to see see solid & rational arguments to support the case.

Flash level speedsters are clocked at perceptions in the attosecond range.

That's one quintillionth of a second.

Basically, in the time it take light to move an inch, they could circle the globe. Bottom line, anyone in Flash's range could dance in front of a Kamehameha and use it to light their cigar, without being in any danger of ever being hit.

Galan is pretty much an expert, if you wanted solid feats.

KingD19

Flash's also get clocked by completely normal people on such a regular basis you can't ignore their averages and focus only on the highs. So far Goku is the only one to give Hit a fight, and he only did that because the first time he couldn't kill him, and the second time Goku prepped beforehand.

Also Zoom isn't a speedster, he manipulates time.

carver9

Hit wins every single time. Zoom cant hurt him. Hit took a full on Kameha from Goku who was amped 10 times over...tanked it. Zoom punched Powergirl a billion times and it didn't even turn her head. Zoom doesn't stand a chance. He needs a team of Zooms.

cdtm

I thought we were talking about the first Zoom.

Zoom II is much, much faster then a Flash. Attoseconds are a slow walk in the park to him.

cdtm

Originally posted by KingD19
Flash's also get clocked by completely normal people on such a regular basis you can't ignore their averages and focus only on the highs. So far Goku is the only one to give Hit a fight, and he only did that because the first time he couldn't kill him, and the second time Goku prepped beforehand.

Also Zoom isn't a speedster, he manipulates time.

sure, lets lowball. Only way DB can win.

Actually no, Zoom's lowest point is waaaay to fast for DB's best.

cdtm

Originally posted by carver9
Hit wins every single time. Zoom cant hurt him. Hit took a full on Kameha from Goku who was amped 10 times over...tanked it. Zoom punched Powergirl a billion times and it didn't even turn her head. Zoom doesn't stand a chance. He needs a team of Zooms.

Nope, just one.

You're lowballing (Big surprise). A single infinite mass punch can KO a white martian. Kara tanking a million is clear cut pis.

Not to mention, Zoom can simply vibrate her beating heart out of her.

DB characters are also vulnerable until they power up. Since all fights with active powers start "off", that means Hit needs to power up.

And he won't get that chance against Zoom. Zoom does not need to "work up to speed", he's always at max speed and needs to actively slow down. Hit will be defeated well before even thinking of a time skip.

carver9

Originally posted by cdtm
Nope, just one.

You're lowballing (Big surprise). A single infinite mass punch can KO a white martian. Kara tanking a million is clear cut pis.

Not to mention, Zoom can simply vibrate her beating heart out of her.

DB characters are also vulnerable until they power up. Since all fights with active powers start "off", that means Hit needs to power up.

And he won't get that chance against Zoom. Zoom does not need to "work up to speed", he's always at max speed and needs to actively slow down. Hit will be defeated well before even thinking of a time skip.

Wonder Woman withstood his light speed punches. Zoom isn't doing a thing to Hit, nothing. So let's do the math here. Roshi Kamehameha had enough power to destroy the moon, easily. Turned it to dust. Goku became much more powerful after the DB saga. To the point that he was able to match Vegeta Kamehameha that was capable of destroying Earth. He becomes much more powerful and was capable of dishing out 5 times the power he used beforehand that was capable of destroying Earth and Frieza tanked it.

Now we are in the God tier where even 5 times the power to destroy earth is nothing. Hit withstood the power of a God that was amplified 10 times over. This same God (Goku) who was in a weaker state was able to shoot Kamehameha blast that output was spreading across the Universe and again, Hit tanked a blast from a more powerful version of Goku, with ease. With that said, Hit stands in one spot allowing Zoom to punch him. When he gets tired of it, he powers up koing Zoom during the process.

cdtm

Zoom crawls to an attosecond and beats Hit before he even blinks once.

cdtm

Of course, time manipulation = auto win for Zoom.

Just like in Carver's other bait thread with the speedsters.

RealityWarper

Originally posted by carver9
Hit wins every single time. Zoom cant hurt him. Hit took a full on Kameha from Goku who was amped 10 times over...tanked it. Zoom punched Powergirl a billion times and it didn't even turn her head. Zoom doesn't stand a chance. He needs a team of Zooms.

Exactly.

Hit punch him once and Prof Zoom is all over the place.

NemeBro

Hit is slower than Zoom, but Zoom won't be able to so much as scratch Hit, and Hit has enough firepower to easily put out a blast that can destroy the solar system they are fighting in. I'm not a huge Flash buff, but as far as I'm aware Zoom can't fly or leave the planet under his own power, so he may be fast enough to avoid the initial blast, but he will be forced to shit his pants and watch it overtake him when he runs out of places to, well, run.

Even if he can leave the planet, running away like a little ***** makes it an automatic loss for Zoom.

cdtm

Is it an automatic loss when Nightcrawler jumps to another dimension to teleport? Same thing with Zoom's powers, except he uses them to bamf to a spot along someones timeline and make them cease to exist.

Also, I'm the one who mentioned a self bfr rule possibly working against Zoom. But that rule ONLY applies to comic vs, NOT manga vs. (Since here and manga vs kind of mix and match as one functional forum.)

searched the rules myself. (And besides that, Foreign Cinema isn't even meant as a fight forum, so I doubt there's any rules at all here.. Not that I checked.)

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hit is slower than Zoom, but Zoom won't be able to so much as scratch Hit, and Hit has enough firepower to easily put out a blast that can destroy the solar system they are fighting in. I'm not a huge Flash buff, but as far as I'm aware Zoom can't fly or leave the planet under his own power, so he may be fast enough to avoid the initial blast, but he will be forced to shit his pants and watch it overtake him when he runs out of places to, well, run.

Even if he can leave the planet, running away like a little ***** makes it an automatic loss for Zoom.

RealityWarper

Professor Zoom doesn't have the ability to beat Hit (lel) evzn if you shariforce his abilities over 9000.

cdtm

Did you look at the thread?

What can Hit do against being time erased?

RealityWarper

Originally posted by cdtm
Did you look at the thread?

What can Hit do against being time erased?

Don't shariforce Zoom...

He doesn't have that ability...

RadZoa

Assuming Hit has durability similar to Goku he loses as GOku has recently shown that he can't survive in Earth's core and that bullets can potentially injure him.