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Smash Cadet

Isaac: For obvious reasons.Waluigi: Just to stop the annoying controversy.Prince of Sable: Would have a unique moveset and reference a very obscure bit of Nintendo (and Zelda) history. Alternatively, Takamaru would be nice, though his moveset would be less unique, and people would complain about "another anime sword boy."Dillon: I've never played any Dillon game, but I feel like he would be a really fun character.Bomberman: Explosions everywhere.

As a bonus, 4/5 of these options would be new series in Smash Bros., which is always cool.

Smash Journeyman

You can add me to the supporters list. I've seen so much Isaac support for so long, and lately I've been playing Golden Sun on Wii U VC, at this point he's one of my top 2 most wanted. Fire Emblem is up to seven reps already, freeing up a single slot for a first Golden Sun rep doesn't seem like so much to ask for.

They really did him dirty with that Assist Trophy though, looks basically just like a lazy port from his Brawl AT. That being said, I don't see any reason to believe ATs are de-confirmation. There's no rule against it, and Smash DLC doesn't have enough history to even say there's a clear precedent against it.

Smash Apprentice

As for the five SSBU assist trophies I would promote-
-Isaac, for obvious reasons.
-Shadow, also for obvious reasons, and for the fact that most everybody expected him anyway.
-Takamaru, because I like to play as "anime" sword characters myself, and for the possibility of his game getting a sequel.
-Skull Kid, 'cause even though I would want Vaati much more, I'll settle for S.K. as the new unique Zelda rep.
-Ashley, because Warioware is fun and she seems to be the Warioware rep people want the most.

Smash Ace

I found footage of Isaac's assist trophy in case anyone is curious about it and yes the name for the IsaacForSmash account has been changed to Isaac's Ultimate Allied Adepts. We are in the middle of making a new profile picture at the moment since we are rebranding to have a bigger focus on reviving the Golden Sun series while still pushing for his Smash inclusion of course

Smash Hero

I found footage of Isaac's assist trophy in case anyone is curious about it and yes the name for the IsaacForSmash account has been changed to Isaac's Ultimate Allied Adepts. We are in the middle of making a new profile picture at the moment since we are rebranding to have a bigger focus on reviving the Golden Sun series while still pushing for his Smash inclusion of course

Ooooh why you gotta make this hard, I would love to play almost all of the ATs. But since I have to pick 5...
1. Isaac
2. Shovel Knight
3. Bomberman
4. Zero
5. Dillon
I would play almost any of them but those we be my preference.

Smash Journeyman

I found footage of Isaac's assist trophy in case anyone is curious about it and yes the name for the IsaacForSmash account has been changed to Isaac's Ultimate Allied Adepts. We are in the middle of making a new profile picture at the moment since we are rebranding to have a bigger focus on reviving the Golden Sun series while still pushing for his Smash inclusion of course

Smash Apprentice

They really did him dirty with that Assist Trophy though, looks basically just like a lazy port from his Brawl AT. That being said, I don't see any reason to believe ATs are de-confirmation. There's no rule against it, and Smash DLC doesn't have enough history to even say there's a clear precedent against it.

Isabelle was an assist trophy in Sm4sh, her assist trophy has been removed in Ultimate. Not playable in Sm4sh, playable in Ultimate. There has yet to be a character who is both fighter and assist trophy within the same game. So that is pretty much a rule: assist trophy and fighter are mutually exclusive. Can be one or the other (or neither) but not both. Isaac can't get in Ultimate.

The sales are actually showing potential for that series. Dark Dawn may have underperformed, but that's to be expected with some controversial decisions the dev team took... #MakeThoseTutorialsSkippable #StopTalkingSoMuch #NoNoReturnPoints ...That and Isaac and Garet's sons being slightly modified copy/paste versions of their fathers.

Back on track! Because despite this, the game still performed reasonably well all things considered and its puzzles were quite enjoyable. Which means there is hope for a sequel one day. No reason to kill a potentially profitable series. I'm not putting too much stock into the recent rumours - they only started because of a renewed trademark, which could simply be to include Isaac's assist trophy. But Nintendo has tried rebooting a few series on Switch already and it's not unthinkable they'll try the same for Golden Sun. They have more than enough money to cushion a failed attempt anyway, yet stand to gain more than to lose given the franchise's previous sales. And if a sequel does happen on Switch... one of the DLC characters could either be Felix or the new MC, either serving to promote awareness of the series as a whole and generate hype.

Smash Hero

You can add me to the supporters list. I've seen so much Isaac support for so long, and lately I've been playing Golden Sun on Wii U VC, at this point he's one of my top 2 most wanted. Fire Emblem is up to seven reps already, freeing up a single slot for a first Golden Sun rep doesn't seem like so much to ask for.

They really did him dirty with that Assist Trophy though, looks basically just like a lazy port from his Brawl AT. That being said, I don't see any reason to believe ATs are de-confirmation. There's no rule against it, and Smash DLC doesn't have enough history to even say there's a clear precedent against it.

Smash Journeyman

I would be ok with a The World Ends With You Solo Remix style mobile game. It’s a remaster of the original DS game, but for phones. And it was great. So great, in fact, that they ported it to the Switch and tripled the price.

But a gocha Golden Sun game.... eeeeew. What’s terrible is I can actually see it working. Really. Really. Reaaaally well.

Think about it. Loot box based system. You can get materials, weapons and armor via lootboxes, but most importantly, Djinn.

You can use Djinn to boost stats Grant and new Psynergy/alter classes, just like in the games. Have a smorgasbord of new cute little creatures. Special ones can only be obtained for a limited time. They’ll give you powerful Psynergy spells.

If done right Djinn can be hella marketable. And it’s disgusting just thinking about it.

Smash Journeyman

I would be ok with a The World Ends With You Solo Remix style mobile game. It’s a remaster of the original DS game, but for phones. And it was great. So great, in fact, that they ported it to the Switch and tripled the price.

But a gocha Golden Sun game.... eeeeew. What’s terrible is I can actually see it working. Really. Really. Reaaaally well.

Think about it. Loot box based system. You can get materials, weapons and armor via lootboxes, but most importantly, Djinn.

You can use Djinn to boost stats Grant and new Psynergy/alter classes, just like in the games. Have a smorgasbord of new cute little creatures. Special ones can only be obtained for a limited time. They’ll give you powerful Psynergy spells.

If done right Djinn can be hella marketable. And it’s disgusting just thinking about it.

It could possibly be his AT with an Ike or Roy being Garet, a Shulk being Ivan and a Zelda being Mia for example.
Or for Felix Spirit you fight alonside an Isaac against Saturoy and Lucinardi on a stage were fire rains etc (with Lucina having death scythe).
For Fusion Dragon or Doom Dragon you could fight Ridley, Charizard and Bowser always stacked together, or replacing each other as you progress into the fight.

I came to a conclusion that even if Isaac is again a AT, he at least has a far more diverse attack pattern. And it seems that a few of these moves would work as Specials, or even grab attacks. That's at least... something? Considering Little Mac had less in Brawl and became playable in Smash 4, and in Smash 4, Dark Samus had less and she becomes playable in Ultimate.

Smash Apprentice

It could possibly be his AT with an Ike or Roy being Garet, a Shulk being Ivan and a Zelda being Mia for example.
Or for Felix Spirit you fight alonside an Isaac against Saturoy and Lucinardi on a stage were fire rains etc (with Lucina having death scythe).
For Fusion Dragon or Doom Dragon you could fight Ridley, Charizard and Bowser always stacked together, or replacing each other as you progress into the fight.

Smash Journeyman

Isabelle was an assist trophy in Sm4sh, her assist trophy has been removed in Ultimate. Not playable in Sm4sh, playable in Ultimate. There has yet to be a character who is both fighter and assist trophy within the same game. So that is pretty much a rule: assist trophy and fighter are mutually exclusive. Can be one or the other (or neither) but not both. Isaac can't get in Ultimate.

I doubt that they would ever plan from the start for a character to be both an Assist Trophy and a playable fighter in the base game, so I agree with you on that much. What I don't think is so certain is that Sakurai and Nintendo rule out Assist Trophy characters from consideration when planning DLC down the road.

Smash Obsessed

I still say, they can model swap Matthew over Isaac, and then still make Isaac playable. He needs major work on that sword of his though. It looks way too square and not fitting for any iconic sword Isaac carries in either Golden Sun or The Lost Age, those being the Gaia Blade and Sol Blade of course.

Smash Apprentice

I still say, they can model swap Matthew over Isaac, and then still make Isaac playable. He needs major work on that sword of his though. It looks way too square and not fitting for any iconic sword Isaac carries in either Golden Sun or The Lost Age, those being the Gaia Blade and Sol Blade of course.

Smash Hero

Isabelle was an assist trophy in Sm4sh, her assist trophy has been removed in Ultimate. Not playable in Sm4sh, playable in Ultimate. There has yet to be a character who is both fighter and assist trophy within the same game. So that is pretty much a rule: assist trophy and fighter are mutually exclusive. Can be one or the other (or neither) but not both. Isaac can't get in Ultimate.

The sales are actually showing potential for that series. Dark Dawn may have underperformed, but that's to be expected with some controversial decisions the dev team took... #MakeThoseTutorialsSkippable #StopTalkingSoMuch #NoNoReturnPoints ...That and Isaac and Garet's sons being slightly modified copy/paste versions of their fathers.

Back on track! Because despite this, the game still performed reasonably well all things considered and its puzzles were quite enjoyable. Which means there is hope for a sequel one day. No reason to kill a potentially profitable series. I'm not putting too much stock into the recent rumours - they only started because of a renewed trademark, which could simply be to include Isaac's assist trophy. But Nintendo has tried rebooting a few series on Switch already and it's not unthinkable they'll try the same for Golden Sun. They have more than enough money to cushion a failed attempt anyway, yet stand to gain more than to lose given the franchise's previous sales. And if a sequel does happen on Switch... one of the DLC characters could either be Felix or the new MC, either serving to promote awareness of the series as a whole and generate hype.

Removing AT's who become playable in a new game *is* a rule. But being unable to promote AT's to playable via DLC is *not* until Sakurai himself says so. We've had exactly one set of DLC to go on as a track record. And the same type of picks are impossible to make this time because half of those fighters were veterans.

Smash Journeyman

Does anyone have some inspiration movie quote or tv or game clip where a hero was just defeated (maybe even killed) but they (or other characters) talk about the future with hope? Super specific I I know, but I’m looking for something like that for my golden Sunday video.

Smash Obsessed

Isabelle was an assist trophy in Sm4sh, her assist trophy has been removed in Ultimate. Not playable in Sm4sh, playable in Ultimate. There has yet to be a character who is both fighter and assist trophy within the same game. So that is pretty much a rule: assist trophy and fighter are mutually exclusive. Can be one or the other (or neither) but not both. Isaac can't get in Ultimate.

The sales are actually showing potential for that series. Dark Dawn may have underperformed, but that's to be expected with some controversial decisions the dev team took... #MakeThoseTutorialsSkippable #StopTalkingSoMuch #NoNoReturnPoints ...That and Isaac and Garet's sons being slightly modified copy/paste versions of their fathers.

Back on track! Because despite this, the game still performed reasonably well all things considered and its puzzles were quite enjoyable. Which means there is hope for a sequel one day. No reason to kill a potentially profitable series. I'm not putting too much stock into the recent rumours - they only started because of a renewed trademark, which could simply be to include Isaac's assist trophy. But Nintendo has tried rebooting a few series on Switch already and it's not unthinkable they'll try the same for Golden Sun. They have more than enough money to cushion a failed attempt anyway, yet stand to gain more than to lose given the franchise's previous sales. And if a sequel does happen on Switch... one of the DLC characters could either be Felix or the new MC, either serving to promote awareness of the series as a whole and generate hype.

None whatsoever, so long as his fans have this poor attitude you're demonstrating. I dare you to tell Sakurai that he's a failure who can't make the right choices and then see if he happily hands you the characters you want.

Spoiler alert: it won't happen.

Fight for Isaac with perseverance and patience. Throwing slanderous rhetoric around only hurts your cause.

Smash Apprentice

Does anyone have some inspiration movie quote or tv or game clip where a hero was just defeated (maybe even killed) but they (or other characters) talk about the future with hope? Super specific I I know, but I’m looking for something like that for my golden Sunday video.

Speaking of which, I read up on Jon from Gameexplain's twitter after Isaac was deconfirmed as an assist and was kinda ticked off how he more or less was saying Isaac and other assist trophies wouldn't have been DLC character regardless of whether or not they reprised their roles as such. Not to bash on insiders, but man do some of them come off as pompous folks.

Honestly I feel if camelot didn't wait so long in making the third game then just maybe Golden Sun could have been more established with more subsequent releases and keep interest going. What IntellSys did right at least was not stopping fire emblem after mediocre sales. At the same time, it's not like the sales for Dark Dawn were so bad if we go by that figure and the ratings were at least above average. *shrugs* I really do wonder what is going on behind scenes.