4K OLED will be significantly better than 4K LCD or plasma. Just contrast alone will be blacker than plasma and as white or whiter than LCD .

By the time 4K OLED is available for mass production, I don't know if it will still be considered "significantly" better than 4K LCD. By then you should have IGZO, FALD (full array local dimming) Motheye panels that would be almost as good for probably less than half the cost of a similar sized 4K OLED. As was my assessment all along, OLED will remain a niche high end product directed at studio production and the professional market, unless a new way is quickly found for affordable mass production. Seems more unlikely every day now.

By the time 4K OLED is available for mass production, I don't know if it will still be considered "significantly" better than 4K LCD. By then you should have IGZO, FALD (full array local dimming) Motheye panels that would be almost as good for probably less than half the cost of a similar sized 4K OLED. As was my assessment all along, OLED will remain a niche high end product directed at studio production and the professional market, unless a new way is quickly found for affordable mass production. Seems more unlikely every day now.

OLED will be very affordable within a couple years. However, if the burn-in issues are as bad as plasma count me out.

Good to know and thanks for the post. I went to a BB just last night they had a return 65 for 6,100. Stupid tax rate in ILL, would take it right back to 7,000 though. I'll shop online while I can tax free.

Is there anyone that can PLEASE do a input lag test on these tv's or at the very least give some impressions on input lag while gaming? Does the TV have a gaming mode? Is the PQ adjustable in gaming mode?

Is there anyone that can PLEASE do a input lag test on these tv's or at the very least give some impressions on input lag while gaming? Does the TV have a gaming mode? Is the PQ adjustable in gaming mode?

I like this set but I wish that every time I turn it on I wouldn't get that 'no signal' message. Whether I'm changing settings or not I always get the same display for a second. I wish it would be like my last Sony and just be a black screen while adjusting to the current input. If after 2 or 3 seconds then I could understand the message but not every time. I noticed it happening even during the VE throwdown. I've let Sony know hoping they would fix it in an update.

The yields on OLED in 1080p are not up too what they should be and if you follow Samsung they are concentrating on 4K LCD because of OLED 1080p yields. 4K OLED not even close to mass production.
4K LCD is just going to keep getting cheaper with the Chinese 4K production.
One of the first 1080p LCD'S was a 42 in Westinghouse at 2500.00 compare that to a Chinese 39 in 4K retail at 699.00.

I know. I bought it! I paid 2500.00 for it and it didn't even include a tuner. I think a 4K screen will cost the same as a 1080P screen costs today, in a couple of years. Look at camera sensors - up to 16megapixels in a 100.00 camera. Didn't take long.

Just a thought: Since Sony is going to do the right thing for the early birds, is there anything else that they could add to the board update to help future proof these sets? How about the color space for example. I know they have their Triluminous technology and it looks great but how does that compare with any upcoming color space standards for UHD. Again is there anything else that they might possibly add to the hardware update?

Just a thought: Since Sony is going to do the right thing for the early birds, is there anything else that they could add to the board update to help future proof these sets? How about the color space for example. I know they have their Triluminous technology and it looks great but how does that compare with any upcoming color space standards for UHD. Again is there anything else that they might possibly add to the hardware update?

I wouldn't count on it. The only thing Sony is probably going to "future-proof" is HDMI 2.0. I don't really count this current HDMI board swap as a "future-proofing" effort. This is just to cover their own interests. I would actually be pretty disappointed if the HDMI 2.0 board swap only covered the one port. This is why I wish they'd be a little more transparent with consumers rather than releasing such a broad statement. They risk everyone interpreting it differently, thus increasing the chance for people to be disappointed. I'm sure they see it as a great spin on a light promise. A little short-sighted, in my opinion.

Though I am an employee of Magnolia Home Theater, the views and opinions I express on this forum are those of my own and not my employer.

Just a thought: Since Sony is going to do the right thing for the early birds, is there anything else that they could add to the board update to help future proof these sets? How about the color space for example. I know they have their Triluminous technology and it looks great but how does that compare with any upcoming color space standards for UHD. Again is there anything else that they might possibly add to the hardware update?

We keep trying to get my brothers x900a to see videos on his computer. All it sees is photos. We downloaded some 4k vids from YouTube to see how they compare to the app but we can't get the tv to see them on the network. Any ideas? Does it work for anyone else?

We keep trying to get my brothers x900a to see videos on his computer. All it sees is photos. We downloaded some 4k vids from YouTube to see how they compare to the app but we can't get the tv to see them on the network. Any ideas? Does it work for anyone else?

Do you have a media center set up for streaming/transcoding video? I use TVversity (free) and it just showed up in the Connected Devices menu without me having to do a thing.

Well, we used Windows Media Center connected through an xbox 360 before, and that still works (not for 4k content, obviously), but while the TV sees the computer on the network, all we can do is choose PHOTOS and only see a handful of photos, mostly mp3 album art and such. Maybe I will tell him to try TVversity.

Well, we used Windows Media Center connected through an xbox 360 before, and that still works (not for 4k content, obviously), but while the TV sees the computer on the network, all we can do is choose PHOTOS and only see a handful of photos, mostly mp3 album art and such. Maybe I will tell him to try TVversity.

If you use Tversity turn the transcoder (which changes the format of the video file) off

Maybe I missed it here in this forum - has anyone figured out how to get x.v.Color from the PS3 on this display? I've got it here at home, but for the life of me I can't get my PS3 to output x.v.Color. Sony has told me it WILL work, but I have yet to see it work for me. If I set the colour in the TV to AUTO or x.v.Color, it looks the same.

The settings in the PS3 say nothing specific about it. So I set Deep Colour to AUTO and SuperWhite ON (as usual) just in case they bundled the x.v.Color option in those settings.

Playing Mi4K BDs look identical to me to their regulars!

By the way, someone mentioned input lag...yes there is a lag on this TV. Through and Audio Authority 1-in 4-out box, I have my plasma in the same room. The Sony XBR-65X900A lags behind the plasma every time it displays something.

I saw a ps3 with dragon's crown on the 65inch 4k set at Sony Tokyo Ginza show room last sunday. I reserved the concierge room for next sunday and i will bring my alienware m18x r2 for some pc gaming test. I am between this set and the w900a. They said dragon s crown graphics were upscaled but it was 2d game. Anyway i will report after the trial.

Maybe I missed it here in this forum - has anyone figured out how to get x.v.Color from the PS3 on this display? I've got it here at home, but for the life of me I can't get my PS3 to output x.v.Color. Sony has told me it WILL work, but I have yet to see it work for me. If I set the colour in the TV to AUTO or x.v.Color, it looks the same.

The settings in the PS3 say nothing specific about it. So I set Deep Colour to AUTO and SuperWhite ON (as usual) just in case they bundled the x.v.Color option in those settings.

Playing Mi4K BDs look identical to me to their regulars!

By the way, someone mentioned input lag...yes there is a lag on this TV. Through and Audio Authority 1-in 4-out box, I have my plasma in the same room. The Sony XBR-65X900A lags behind the plasma every time it displays something.

An x.v.Color answer will be great.

Thanks guys.

I own the W900a which is also a triloumious display. Mostly likely you are getting the expanded
Color either way. Hit the display button and see if it says 1080p 12 bit.
When I play last of us for example the TV states it's 720p 12 bit which should indicate deep color.

Michael what makes you think your not getting the expanded colors?
Oh Wait , in picture setting > advance settings > "live color" .
What do you have it set to? I believe "live color" controls the level of the triluminos display.

Both the TV and the FMP-X1 need to be connected to the same network (with Internet access). I have an ethernet switch located in my A/V equipment location and have the TV and the player connected to the switch, which itself is connected via ethernet cable to the router in another room.

I've relocated the modem and router so that it's by the X1 and TV in anticipation of Sony coming on Monday. Once the TV is connected to the router, can the TV internet settings can be changed from wireless operation to the faster wired one?

Just a thought: Since Sony is going to do the right thing for the early birds, is there anything else that they could add to the board update to help future proof these sets? How about the color space for example. I know they have their Triluminous technology and it looks great but how does that compare with any upcoming color space standards for UHD. Again is there anything else that they might possibly add to the hardware update?

Unfortunately if you read it very carefully the guy says that the future proofing means we will be able to play the upcoming standard on our sets but it doesn't say AT that standard. I know I'm jaded here but it could mean we see the 60 at 30 instead.

The X1 HDMI can only be connected to the X900 directly. There is another HDMI out from the X1 for audio to home theater. In cases where I've used optical (or coaxial) output from devices (cable box, Blu-ray) to the receiver, there is always a very slight delay (33ms or so) in the audio to the receiver, compared to the sound coming from the TV speakers. This is even the case when "source direct" is selected and no effects processing is in the line.

Is this going to be the case with using the second HDMI from X1 to a home theater rig?

PS: Even when using optical audio out from X900 to receiver, it is not "in time" with the speakers in the TV. (sort of gives you that big movie theater slap effect)

I've relocated the modem and router so that it's by the X1 and TV in anticipation of Sony coming on Monday. Once the TV is connected to the router, can the TV internet settings can be changed from wireless operation to the faster wired one?

Yes. I have the TV, the 4k media player and my 5900es receiver all on the same wired gigabit ethernet to my router.