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Gang beat me in Falcon Way, Shoebury, but I don't regret challenging them

A MAN who suffered a punctured lung, four broken ribs and multiple bruises after challenging a gang who were smoking drugs insists he’d do it all again.

Almost six months on from the brutal attack, Stephen Holmes, 46, of Falcon Way, Shoebury, rarely leaves his home, but still believes he did the right thing.

Already debilitated by pancreatitis and needing a mobility scooter to get around, Stephen was subjected to a vicious attack which left him with a series of injuries including a punctured lung, broken ribs and bruises.

Having just put his six-year-old daughter to bed on October 5 last year, he saw a group of three young men or teenagers causing a nuisance outside his window.

After telling them to go away, one spat in his face, so he went outside to challenge them.

He was then attacked by a gang of seven, who punch, kicked and stamped on him.

But, despite it all he still doesn’t regret his actions.

He said: “My position remains exactly the same – a man’s home is his castle, if someone is attacking you, you have to protect yourself, your family and your property.”

The healing process is taking longer than he thought.

He said: “At night I still get pain, and sometimes when I breathe it sounds like I’ve got really bad asthma or like I’ve been smoking 50 a day.

“I’m disabled anyway and now whenever I see a story about a disabled person being attacked in the news I feel sick.”

He added: “Since it’s happened I’ve had a knock to my self esteem. I try not to go out. It’s not that I’m scared of people, it’s that I’m worried I might overreact to someone, think I’m defending myself and hurt them.

“There’s not been anyone that’s come forward and offered to help or anything.”

He said: “I trust the police, but there’s only so much you can do if they’re cutting them back.

"When I was young we had respect for the police and the local officer knew all the kids on the housing estate I lived on in London.

"Today there is a real problem with gang culture.”

The group were all in their mid to late teens, white and spoke with local accents.

The attack took place on Saturday, October 5, 2013 about 7.15pm.

Anyone with information about the incident should call Southend CID, on 101, or Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555111.

Comments

emcee
2:27pm Mon 17 Mar 14

If society was working properly and there was ample protection from the police and the justice system, this man would not have to have gone through what he did.
When society is broke it is the cowards who feel safe, not the ordinary citizen.

If society was working properly and there was ample protection from the police and the justice system, this man would not have to have gone through what he did.
When society is broke it is the cowards who feel safe, not the ordinary citizen.emcee

If society was working properly and there was ample protection from the police and the justice system, this man would not have to have gone through what he did.
When society is broke it is the cowards who feel safe, not the ordinary citizen.

Score: 49

RobertFS
3:04pm Mon 17 Mar 14

emcee wrote…

If society was working properly and there was ample protection from the police and the justice system, this man would not have to have gone through what he did. When society is broke it is the cowards who feel safe, not the ordinary citizen.

I'm not sure this is what he meant:
'...'ample protection from the police and the justice system...'
I believe what he meant to say was '..protection provided by the police and the justice system..'
Many victims do believe that they do need protection FROM the lack of care provided by the police and the 'justice' system!

[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote:
If society was working properly and there was ample protection from the police and the justice system, this man would not have to have gone through what he did. When society is broke it is the cowards who feel safe, not the ordinary citizen.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure this is what he meant:
'...'ample protection from the police and the justice system...'
I believe what he meant to say was '..protection provided by the police and the justice system..'
Many victims do believe that they do need protection FROM the lack of care provided by the police and the 'justice' system!RobertFS

emcee wrote…

If society was working properly and there was ample protection from the police and the justice system, this man would not have to have gone through what he did. When society is broke it is the cowards who feel safe, not the ordinary citizen.

I'm not sure this is what he meant:
'...'ample protection from the police and the justice system...'
I believe what he meant to say was '..protection provided by the police and the justice system..'
Many victims do believe that they do need protection FROM the lack of care provided by the police and the 'justice' system!

Score: 18

pembury53
3:39pm Mon 17 Mar 14

never confront a mob without serious tools, otherwise the outcome will always be as above.....

never confront a mob without serious tools, otherwise the outcome will always be as above.....pembury53

never confront a mob without serious tools, otherwise the outcome will always be as above.....

Score: 16

Life in a seaside town
4:16pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Well done mate. Hope everything turns round and you have a great future.

Well done mate. Hope everything turns round and you have a great future.Life in a seaside town

Well done mate. Hope everything turns round and you have a great future.

Score: 35

the25man
4:25pm Mon 17 Mar 14

This what the do gooders have done by not allowing discipline of kids when young. They grow up knowing they will get away with almost any thing. The kid that spat at him assaulted him but if he had hit the kid old bill would have had him

This what the do gooders have done by not allowing discipline of kids when young. They grow up knowing they will get away with almost any thing. The kid that spat at him assaulted him but if he had hit the kid old bill would have had himthe25man

This what the do gooders have done by not allowing discipline of kids when young. They grow up knowing they will get away with almost any thing. The kid that spat at him assaulted him but if he had hit the kid old bill would have had him

Score: 26

carnmountyouknowitmakessense
4:25pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Never stick your nose in other peoples behaviour, call plod, cos it will go wrong..

Never stick your nose in other peoples behaviour, call plod, cos it will go wrong..carnmountyouknowitmakessense

Never stick your nose in other peoples behaviour, call plod, cos it will go wrong..

Score: 2

Devils Advocate
4:48pm Mon 17 Mar 14

RobertFS wrote…

emcee wrote…

If society was working properly and there was ample protection from the police and the justice system, this man would not have to have gone through what he did. When society is broke it is the cowards who feel safe, not the ordinary citizen.

I'm not sure this is what he meant:
'...'ample protection from the police and the justice system...'
I believe what he meant to say was '..protection provided by the police and the justice system..'
Many victims do believe that they do need protection FROM the lack of care provided by the police and the 'justice' system!

I think most readers will know what he meant. Surely the object of this article is the debate of should we have a go or run away, not if the grammar is up to RSA standards? To me that smacks of "Having a go!" at the author rather than the society this government is hell bent on sending us to. Throw a lad in prison, then chuck his mum and family out of their house because he took a bottle of water from an already wrecked and looted shop, but nowhere to be seen when violence of this nature abounds!

[quote][p][bold]RobertFS[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote:
If society was working properly and there was ample protection from the police and the justice system, this man would not have to have gone through what he did. When society is broke it is the cowards who feel safe, not the ordinary citizen.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure this is what he meant:
'...'ample protection from the police and the justice system...'
I believe what he meant to say was '..protection provided by the police and the justice system..'
Many victims do believe that they do need protection FROM the lack of care provided by the police and the 'justice' system![/p][/quote]I think most readers will know what he meant. Surely the object of this article is the debate of should we have a go or run away, not if the grammar is up to RSA standards? To me that smacks of "Having a go!" at the author rather than the society this government is hell bent on sending us to. Throw a lad in prison, then chuck his mum and family out of their house because he took a bottle of water from an already wrecked and looted shop, but nowhere to be seen when violence of this nature abounds!Devils Advocate

RobertFS wrote…

emcee wrote…

If society was working properly and there was ample protection from the police and the justice system, this man would not have to have gone through what he did. When society is broke it is the cowards who feel safe, not the ordinary citizen.

I'm not sure this is what he meant:
'...'ample protection from the police and the justice system...'
I believe what he meant to say was '..protection provided by the police and the justice system..'
Many victims do believe that they do need protection FROM the lack of care provided by the police and the 'justice' system!

I think most readers will know what he meant. Surely the object of this article is the debate of should we have a go or run away, not if the grammar is up to RSA standards? To me that smacks of "Having a go!" at the author rather than the society this government is hell bent on sending us to. Throw a lad in prison, then chuck his mum and family out of their house because he took a bottle of water from an already wrecked and looted shop, but nowhere to be seen when violence of this nature abounds!

Score: 6

I hate the police!
5:37pm Mon 17 Mar 14

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.I hate the police!

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.

Score: -53

tmbarry
6:02pm Mon 17 Mar 14

I hate the police! wrote…

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.

Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats

[quote][p][bold]I hate the police![/bold] wrote:
The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.[/p][/quote]Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up bratstmbarry

I hate the police! wrote…

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.

Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats

Score: 24

carnmountyouknowitmakessense
6:07pm Mon 17 Mar 14

tmbarry wrote…

I hate the police! wrote…

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.

Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats

Welcome to the real world, with an outlook like yours, look forward to coming round, from a good hiding.
Nothing gets sorted by telling people off, other that those doing the telling off, getting bloodied.

[quote][p][bold]tmbarry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police![/bold] wrote:
The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.[/p][/quote]Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats[/p][/quote]Welcome to the real world, with an outlook like yours, look forward to coming round, from a good hiding.
Nothing gets sorted by telling people off, other that those doing the telling off, getting bloodied.carnmountyouknowitmakessense

tmbarry wrote…

I hate the police! wrote…

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.

Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats

Welcome to the real world, with an outlook like yours, look forward to coming round, from a good hiding.
Nothing gets sorted by telling people off, other that those doing the telling off, getting bloodied.

Score: -8

tmbarry
7:16pm Mon 17 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense wrote…

tmbarry wrote…

I hate the police! wrote…

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.

Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats

Welcome to the real world, with an outlook like yours, look forward to coming round, from a good hiding.
Nothing gets sorted by telling people off, other that those doing the telling off, getting bloodied.

This has gone from an article about some thugs to me looking forward to a good hiding!
Pointless conversation change.

[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma
kessense[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tmbarry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police![/bold] wrote:
The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.[/p][/quote]Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats[/p][/quote]Welcome to the real world, with an outlook like yours, look forward to coming round, from a good hiding.
Nothing gets sorted by telling people off, other that those doing the telling off, getting bloodied.[/p][/quote]This has gone from an article about some thugs to me looking forward to a good hiding!
Pointless conversation change.tmbarry

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense wrote…

tmbarry wrote…

I hate the police! wrote…

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.

Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats

Welcome to the real world, with an outlook like yours, look forward to coming round, from a good hiding.
Nothing gets sorted by telling people off, other that those doing the telling off, getting bloodied.

This has gone from an article about some thugs to me looking forward to a good hiding!
Pointless conversation change.

Score: 0

keepitreal
8:10pm Mon 17 Mar 14

If the coppers cannot do their job , it is time for vigilantes to get the streets safe, must be some sort of old parish law that people could circumnavigate to keep with in the law.

If the coppers cannot do their job , it is time for vigilantes to get the streets safe, must be some sort of old parish law that people could circumnavigate to keep with in the law.keepitreal

If the coppers cannot do their job , it is time for vigilantes to get the streets safe, must be some sort of old parish law that people could circumnavigate to keep with in the law.

Score: 7

carnmountyouknowitmakessense
8:13pm Mon 17 Mar 14

keepitreal wrote…

If the coppers cannot do their job , it is time for vigilantes to get the streets safe, must be some sort of old parish law that people could circumnavigate to keep with in the law.

Enter the vigilantes 3 old men and a lad, two ambulances please....

[quote][p][bold]keepitreal[/bold] wrote:
If the coppers cannot do their job , it is time for vigilantes to get the streets safe, must be some sort of old parish law that people could circumnavigate to keep with in the law.[/p][/quote]Enter the vigilantes 3 old men and a lad, two ambulances please....carnmountyouknowitmakessense

keepitreal wrote…

If the coppers cannot do their job , it is time for vigilantes to get the streets safe, must be some sort of old parish law that people could circumnavigate to keep with in the law.

Enter the vigilantes 3 old men and a lad, two ambulances please....

Score: -4

carnmountyouknowitmakessense
8:14pm Mon 17 Mar 14

tmbarry wrote…

carnmountyouknowitma

kessense wrote…

tmbarry wrote…

I hate the police! wrote…

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.

Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats

Welcome to the real world, with an outlook like yours, look forward to coming round, from a good hiding.
Nothing gets sorted by telling people off, other that those doing the telling off, getting bloodied.

This has gone from an article about some thugs to me looking forward to a good hiding!
Pointless conversation change.

Derrr....

[quote][p][bold]tmbarry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma
kessense[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tmbarry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police![/bold] wrote:
The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.[/p][/quote]Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats[/p][/quote]Welcome to the real world, with an outlook like yours, look forward to coming round, from a good hiding.
Nothing gets sorted by telling people off, other that those doing the telling off, getting bloodied.[/p][/quote]This has gone from an article about some thugs to me looking forward to a good hiding!
Pointless conversation change.[/p][/quote]Derrr....carnmountyouknowitmakessense

tmbarry wrote…

carnmountyouknowitma

kessense wrote…

tmbarry wrote…

I hate the police! wrote…

The people who attacked him weren't really doing anything wrong in the first place. Okay they were smoking a spliff or two but so what? I'm sure they weren't going to stay there all night, they probably would of moved on within half an hour. What the hell did he expect them to do? Shake his hand and give him a kiss goodnight? An easy avoidable situation, not much sympathy atall.

Loitering is not allowed,
"Smoking a spliff or two" which is illigal!
And also living local kids do stay here late, screaming, starting fights on anyone evan the elderly have taken abuse, I think simply asking them Nicely to move on is reasonable. These kids have no respect for residents, there children and the elderly in this area.
I pay far to much rent for this area and it didn't state in the tenancy agreement comes with horrible screwed up brats

Welcome to the real world, with an outlook like yours, look forward to coming round, from a good hiding.
Nothing gets sorted by telling people off, other that those doing the telling off, getting bloodied.

This has gone from an article about some thugs to me looking forward to a good hiding!
Pointless conversation change.

Derrr....

Score: -4

pendulum
2:24am Tue 18 Mar 14

"Loitering is not allowed" - as far as I know that is illegal in the USA but not here. It's an awful law, where you can get a "citation" for simply waiting around for a friend... teens have been fined for waiting on he "sidewalk" while their parents were on the way to pick them up. Police state type legislation.

"Loitering is not allowed" - as far as I know that is illegal in the USA but not here. It's an awful law, where you can get a "citation" for simply waiting around for a friend... teens have been fined for waiting on he "sidewalk" while their parents were on the way to pick them up. Police state type legislation.pendulum

"Loitering is not allowed" - as far as I know that is illegal in the USA but not here. It's an awful law, where you can get a "citation" for simply waiting around for a friend... teens have been fined for waiting on he "sidewalk" while their parents were on the way to pick them up. Police state type legislation.

Score: -1

I hate the police!
7:57am Tue 18 Mar 14

pendulum wrote…

"Loitering is not allowed" - as far as I know that is illegal in the USA but not here. It's an awful law, where you can get a "citation" for simply waiting around for a friend... teens have been fined for waiting on he "sidewalk" while their parents were on the way to pick them up. Police state type legislation.

Yet they are legally aloud to have or buy a gun. Don't make sense.

[quote][p][bold]pendulum[/bold] wrote:
"Loitering is not allowed" - as far as I know that is illegal in the USA but not here. It's an awful law, where you can get a "citation" for simply waiting around for a friend... teens have been fined for waiting on he "sidewalk" while their parents were on the way to pick them up. Police state type legislation.[/p][/quote]Yet they are legally aloud to have or buy a gun. Don't make sense.I hate the police!

pendulum wrote…

"Loitering is not allowed" - as far as I know that is illegal in the USA but not here. It's an awful law, where you can get a "citation" for simply waiting around for a friend... teens have been fined for waiting on he "sidewalk" while their parents were on the way to pick them up. Police state type legislation.

Yet they are legally aloud to have or buy a gun. Don't make sense.

Score: -2

pembury53
8:19am Tue 18 Mar 14

I hate the police! wrote…

pendulum wrote…

"Loitering is not allowed" - as far as I know that is illegal in the USA but not here. It's an awful law, where you can get a "citation" for simply waiting around for a friend... teens have been fined for waiting on he "sidewalk" while their parents were on the way to pick them up. Police state type legislation.

Yet they are legally aloud to have or buy a gun. Don't make sense.

US law is bonkers but i can't see anything wrong, in principle, with gun ownership..... people in this country die horrible deaths because the 'law' allows no viable means of defence against extreme violence, even a pepper spray counts as a fire arm here and lands you a custodial..... I'm all for blowing peoples heads clean off, that would otherwise cause you harm, for no reason.........

[quote][p][bold]I hate the police![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pendulum[/bold] wrote: "Loitering is not allowed" - as far as I know that is illegal in the USA but not here. It's an awful law, where you can get a "citation" for simply waiting around for a friend... teens have been fined for waiting on he "sidewalk" while their parents were on the way to pick them up. Police state type legislation.[/p][/quote]Yet they are legally aloud to have or buy a gun. Don't make sense.[/p][/quote]US law is bonkers but i can't see anything wrong, in principle, with gun ownership..... people in this country die horrible deaths because the 'law' allows no viable means of defence against extreme violence, even a pepper spray counts as a fire arm here and lands you a custodial..... I'm all for blowing peoples heads clean off, that would otherwise cause you harm, for no reason.........pembury53

I hate the police! wrote…

pendulum wrote…

"Loitering is not allowed" - as far as I know that is illegal in the USA but not here. It's an awful law, where you can get a "citation" for simply waiting around for a friend... teens have been fined for waiting on he "sidewalk" while their parents were on the way to pick them up. Police state type legislation.

Yet they are legally aloud to have or buy a gun. Don't make sense.

US law is bonkers but i can't see anything wrong, in principle, with gun ownership..... people in this country die horrible deaths because the 'law' allows no viable means of defence against extreme violence, even a pepper spray counts as a fire arm here and lands you a custodial..... I'm all for blowing peoples heads clean off, that would otherwise cause you harm, for no reason.........

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