Says that the teaching has been much better than last year, with this coaching staff.

It's blatantly obvious they're more prepared on Sunday and that young guys are developing at a much faster rate than under Sparano. Good to get validation of that from the players though.

Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:28 pm

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

Well, when you consider Hartline is setting career highs only half-way into the season, that should tell you something right there. Not only that, but the fact that Tannehill looks better than Henne only 8 games into his career says volumes as well. The NFL is about drafting talent and developing it to fit your system. Plain and simple. If you can draft and develop, you're set.

Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:34 pm

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

but the fact that Tannehill looks better than Henne only 8 games into his career says volumes as well

Bingo. I saw the stat sheet this morning where Henne had decent numbers last night but he also kept his INT a game stat up to date. lol

Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:59 am

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

wkloiber13 wrote:

but the fact that Tannehill looks better than Henne only 8 games into his career says volumes as well.

Eh... slow down there my friend.

Let's not re-write history.

In his first 8 starts, Henne threw for over 1300 yards and had 6 touchdowns and 4 interceptions.

Tannehill has over 1700 yards, 5 TDs and 6 INTs. So the stats are comparable. Henne had more TDs, less INTs and less yards.

He wins in 2 out of 3 categories.

Also, at the time we were singing his praises and calling him the future, especially after a great Monday night performance against the Jets.

The fact that Tannehill has performed a certain way 8 games into his career doesn't say volumes, it says he has performed a certain way 8 games into his career.

That's all. Let's stop with the over the top stuff.

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Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:09 am

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

Jury is still out on Tannehill but he "looks" better than Henne. A lot of those picks were in his 1st game. Just like Luck is all that but if Smith would have picked the ball in thier end of the field,. the outcome could have been different....perspective on all parts.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:16 am

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

I'm thrilled with Tannehill's progress but I agree people need to slow down a bit. The sophomore slump hit Henne and now you're seeing it with guys like Newton and Dalton. I want to see Tannehill do it after teams get a better read on him.

As for Hartline, I'm wondering what the percentage breakdown is for his improvement. What combination is him, QB play, play calling, coaching, and the absence of Marshall?

Philbin is making his share of mistakes but he seems to have some good promise.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:36 am

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

Makchell wrote:

Jury is still out on Tannehill but he "looks" better than Henne.

He looks better than Henne did the past two seasons, but not necessarily better than Henne did in his first 8 starts.

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Rich wrote:

Makchell wrote:

Jury is still out on Tannehill but he "looks" better than Henne.

He looks better than Henne did the past two seasons, but not necessarily better than Henne did in his first 8 starts.

Henne never moved around inside the pocket like Ryan or made some of the touch throws Tannehill has made.

We were 7-3 in Henne's first 10 starts though, with an extremely comparible supporting cast.

Only time will tell. But Tannehill clearly has more physical talent, (athleticism, touch), and seems to handle the mental part of the game better, (pre-snap responsibilities, doesn't stare down his WR's nearly as much, goes through progressions better, more calm under pressure, etc.).

One other thing is the week-to-week development. Tannehill is a much better QB than he was 1 month ago, and a month ago was better than the previous month. For the most part, (taking out that great game against the Jets), Henne was Henne from start 1 through 10.

Plus, this is all while Tannehill had half the college starts, and we're comparing his rookie year to Henne's 2nd season.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:20 am

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

Rich wrote:

Makchell wrote:

Jury is still out on Tannehill but he "looks" better than Henne.

He looks better than Henne did the past two seasons, but not necessarily better than Henne did in his first 8 starts.

Didn't Henne lead a few 4th quarter wins in that series of games? I remember everyone was on his bandwagon after the TD pass to Ginn vs the Jets and some solid wins. The play action roll out passes were his bread and butter.

If we're to believe the media and player interviews, it seems the difference is Henne followed the script and was still in Pennington's shadow. Seems like Tannehill is more in command, both of the offense and the players' respect.

Everyone has to accept that Tannehill is going to still have some very bad games and there shouldn't be overreaction to it.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:25 am

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

Everyone has to accept that Tannehill is going to still have some very bad games and there shouldn't be overreaction to it.

Ditto with his good games.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:08 am

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

Everyone has to accept that Tannehill is going to still have some very bad games and there shouldn't be overreaction to it.

Ditto with his good games.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:08 am

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Phins Rock wrote:

Rich wrote:

Makchell wrote:

Jury is still out on Tannehill but he "looks" better than Henne.

He looks better than Henne did the past two seasons, but not necessarily better than Henne did in his first 8 starts.

Henne never moved around inside the pocket like Ryan or made some of the touch throws Tannehill has made.

We were 7-3 in Henne's first 10 starts though, with an extremely comparible supporting cast.

Only time will tell. But Tannehill clearly has more physical talent, (athleticism, touch), and seems to handle the mental part of the game better, (pre-snap responsibilities, doesn't stare down his WR's nearly as much, goes through progressions better, more calm under pressure, etc.).

One other thing is the week-to-week development. Tannehill is a much better QB than he was 1 month ago, and a month ago was better than the previous month. For the most part, (taking out that great game against the Jets), Henne was Henne from start 1 through 10.

Plus, this is all while Tannehill had half the college starts, and we're comparing his rookie year to Henne's 2nd season.

Point - counterpoint.

Henne was winning games in the 4th quarter, that season he had 4-5 come from behind wins.

Additionally, Henne didn't have the benefit of playing in the same system he played in at college. And Tannehill isn't getting pulled out every other drive to run gimmick plays.

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And Tannehill isn't getting pulled out every other drive to run gimmick plays.

Remember that Rich? Frustrating...and where is the wildcat now? Skinned, dead.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:42 am

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

Rich wrote:

wkloiber13 wrote:

but the fact that Tannehill looks better than Henne only 8 games into his career says volumes as well.

Eh... slow down there my friend.

Let's not re-write history.

In his first 8 starts, Henne threw for over 1300 yards and had 6 touchdowns and 4 interceptions.

Tannehill has over 1700 yards, 5 TDs and 6 INTs. So the stats are comparable. Henne had more TDs, less INTs and less yards.

He wins in 2 out of 3 categories.

Also, at the time we were singing his praises and calling him the future, especially after a great Monday night performance against the Jets.

The fact that Tannehill has performed a certain way 8 games into his career doesn't say volumes, it says he has performed a certain way 8 games into his career.

That's all. Let's stop with the over the top stuff.

A voice of reason, thank you.

Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:35 pm

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

I will say that Tannehill seems to show more promise than Henne, but the facts don't lie that when you compare apples to apples, Henne was 7-3 early on and I was at the Monday night game against the Jets in Miami and AT THAT time, I was singing Chad's praises as he definitely had some great game moments for the Fins. Besides watching Marino games in person, that one in particular was one of my favorites to see live.....beating the hated Jets after Braylon Edwards seemingly put that game away with a long touchdown, only for Henne to march the fins down the field and watching Ronnie Brown running in a game winning touchdown with 6 seconds left in the game.

Let's hope Tannehill can stay consistent and stay healthy. Two keys on how he develops forward, but as a fan, I have higher hopes for the kid.

Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:58 am

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Re: Hartline: Coaches teaching "much" better than last year

I think Tannehill is just a smarter QB than Henne. Henne started off with more experience from college and has the physical tools, but he never seemed to take the next step in the mental part of the game. We need to see a larger body of work to see whether or not Tannehill can maintain that mental edge once defenses have a larger amount of film and more time to evaluate his performance.

In the meantime, it sure would be nice to find a set of tackles capable of giving him time and preserving his body, and to allow us to put more tight ends and backs into the pass patterns....as well as finding a true #1 receiver to stretch the field and force defenses to move a guy out of the box.

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