Mr. Speaker, once again we are reminded why the federal Tories went from 211 seats to two in the House. The House leader of the fifth party has tabled motions to reduce the operating expenditures of specific government departments. Let us look at these specific motions.

The Tories want to take $1 billion out of health care. They want to slash the operating budget of our military by $7 billion. However, when it comes to the mismanagement of the human resources department which has been wasting taxpayers' dollars all year, would the Clark Tories significantly reduce that department? No.

Once again Joe Clark is proving just how out of touch he is with ordinary Canadians by gutting health care, destroying our defence department, yet ensuring there is plenty of money to continue with the legacy of the billion dollar boondoggle in HRDC. With policies like that, it is no wonder that 130,000 people have signed up to join the Canadian Alliance in hopes of a new government, a change they have been looking forward to for a long time.