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While I think I know of him from elsewhere (trying to remember where and when), the OP's characterization of the gentleman in the thread title - unsupported by anything that I see anywhere in the links offered - seems a bit extreme and possibly actionable were he so inclined.

Many years,

Neil

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"Not only is it unnecessary to adopt the customs of the Latin Rite to manifest one's Catholicism, it is an offense against the unity of the Church."

An Interview - this is a cached link to a blog that apparently isn't o/l any longer, so it may not work ...

the last link above tells me where I've heard the name before ...

before he ukrainianized his name, he was just plain old Bishop Michael Champion - still UOAC-C - but also Archbishop of the Iglesia Liberación Latina - a joint effort reportedly by the Reformed Church in America and the UAOC-C

Many years,

Neil

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"Not only is it unnecessary to adopt the customs of the Latin Rite to manifest one's Catholicism, it is an offense against the unity of the Church."

It states he is the rep of the UAOC (Ukrainian Autocephalaus Church under Met Mefodiy)

Only since 2005, if I'm understanding Wikipedia rightly

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In 2004–2005 In UAOC-Sobornopravna in the USA took place the events that changed cardinally the status of UAOC-Sobornopravna in Ukraine. UAOC-Sobornopravna of North and South America became UAOC of North and South America and Diaspora and, headed by metropolitan Michael (Yavchak-Champion) joined with UAOC in Ukraine, declaring Metropolitan Mefodiy (Kudriakov) to be their Primate.

I don't "hate" anybody. I just find it sad that someone is an openly gay hierarch in a Ukrainian Church. Also I was curious if there is actually any presence of his UAOC here in the states as I was unable via google to find any parishes and his website www.uaoc.org looks outdated and not kept up the past few years. I'm also curious as to who ordained him because although his websites claim being part of the UOAC in Ukraine under Met Mefodiy, I see no evidence. Maybe he is a breakaway renegade bishop like Archbishop Ihor Ischienko formerly of the UAOC in Ukraine but who now leads his own branch in Kharkiv of maybe 20 parishes.

I don't "hate" anybody. I just find it sad that someone is an openly gay hierarch in a Ukrainian Church.

Why? As long as he is not advocating non-Orthodox ethics why should his sexual orientation bother anyone?

Generally people, especially clergy, should keep their specific passions and struggles between themselves and their confessors.

I'm actually quite suprised that someone could come up with such a reasonable-ish explanation. I could agree that as a general rule but not at this point. Should hierarchs conceal their lust for women i.e. heterosexuality?

I don't "hate" anybody. I just find it sad that someone is an openly gay hierarch in a Ukrainian Church.

Why? As long as he is not advocating non-Orthodox ethics why should his sexual orientation bother anyone?

Generally people, especially clergy, should keep their specific passions and struggles between themselves and their confessors.

I'm actually quite suprised that someone could come up with such a reasonable-ish explanation. I could agree that as a general rule but not at this point. Should hierarchs conceal their lust for women i.e. heterosexuality?

Conceal? Or just not talk about it publicly. While there are few exceptions (widowed priests who became bishops, St. Augustine and what he put into the Confessions), I would say that I do not know the sexual orientation or proclivities of 99% of Orthodox bishops past or present--and I'm good with that.

For it were better to suffer everything, rather than divide the Church of God. Even martyrdom for the sake of preventing division would not be less glorious than for refusing to worship idols. - St. Dionysius the Great

This topic of sick clergy hits the nail for me on the Orthodox Church. We agree that homosexuality is a disorder, right? Why doesn't God, Jesus Christ, heal his own clergy for the sake of His own Church and His own name? Unless of course the Orthodox Church has nothing to do with Him to begin with.

This topic of sick clergy hits the nail for me on the Orthodox Church. We agree that homosexuality is a disorder, right? Why doesn't God, Jesus Christ, heal his own clergy for the sake of His own Church and His own name? Unless of course the Orthodox Church has nothing to do with Him to begin with.

Christ doesn't work magic for us sinners to make us well without personal effort. The clergy are just like you and me, no different, they aren't more "protected" from sin, they are still human beings with free will who are just as broken as us. God doesnt take their free will away because they are clergy...

You'll find this is true of every religion around the world and of so-called non-religions. "no man lives who does not sin"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

This topic of sick clergy hits the nail for me on the Orthodox Church. We agree that homosexuality is a disorder, right? Why doesn't God, Jesus Christ, heal his own clergy for the sake of His own Church and His own name? Unless of course the Orthodox Church has nothing to do with Him to begin with.

I wouldn't categorize sin as a disorder, rather a condition. We all have our weaknesses in this world. What matters is our ability to deal with them. Clergy are just as human as we are. God will heal the Church. Give it time. He works on his own clock, not ours.