I heard State was 6th in the ACC. Signing day still going strong. Hard to say where the recruiting class rankings will settle in the end.

All I know is I'm pretty pleased with our class so far, considering our coach has only been here about six weeks now.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

TBK,Give it a few years and I think we will be ok.I love the new coach we have and very excited to see what happens.I hope he is a more of a passing coach and not a conservative coach.

— Posted by kkevin7048

I think so, too. I believe coach Doeren (and his assistants) were responsible for 11-12 of the players we signed. TOB was recruiting the others. That is NOT BAD, especially for a guy that basically had six weeks to recruit for us. And we have three players that have 4-stars ratings in one or more of the recruiting ranking websites (rivals, scout, 24-7 sports, etc.)

This would be a great time to have a good season, so coach D can really work on his first FULL recruiting class at State.

Come on Wolfhizzy....as State fans we must pull together and change the current mindset of our fans and raise our expectations up to more than just beating Carolins every 5 or 6 years.We need a real program. Carolina cannot be the only game we worry about trying to win every so many years!Come on man....are you with me????????????????

— Posted by 86wolfAlumn

State BEAT unc, yet you point to the pansies beating wake as something to behold.

Come on Wolfhizzy....as State fans we must pull together and change the current mindset of our fans and raise our expectations up to more than just beating Carolins every 5 or 6 years.We need a real program. Carolina cannot be the only game we worry about trying to win every so many years!Come on man....are you with me????????????????

We need to reaise our expectations and support only the best and fire Gottfired ASAP!!!!!

We blow right now and need to address that when we have such great talent! As we speak Carolina is beating the krap out of Wake Forest a team that beat us easily. And now we face our 3rd loss in a row to Duke.

Fedora and 2012 (and the divisional championship) set the tone for better things to come.

TOBy and 2012 set the tone for lesser things to come.

— Posted by kato_karma.v4

do we need to revisit the record of all the teams unc beat last season?...its pretty pitiful, as we know, and the best team you beat, record-wise, was ecu...reality will return for you in 2013, starting with the opener....you shoulda just stopped after your first sentence....nuff said

Fedora and 2012 (and the divisional championship) set the tone for better things to come.

TOBy and 2012 set the tone for lesser things to come.

— Posted by kato_karma.v4

&quot;Heels acknowledge/accept the 6 years of Butch and Withers mediocrity.&quot; Which heels are you referring to? Or are you speaking for all heels? I have found your statement untrue from what I read and hear from some UNC fans.

For the most part, scouts get it right with the five star recruits. Most of them pan out. Beyond that, their track record is spotty. They are far more likely to underrate 2 and 3 star players than to overrate the 4 stars.

The only way you can tell how good a class is is by their eventual performance on the field. Just remember that Colin Kaepernick wasn't highly rated coming out of high school. At 2 stars, he was only offered by Nevada. But he turned out OK. Then, of course, there was that local kid - Wilson, wasn't it? How did he turn out?

For the most part, scouts get it right with the five star recruits. Most of them pan out. Beyond that, their track record is spotty. They are far more likely to underrate 2 and 3 star players than to overrate the 4 stars.

The only way you can tell how good a class is is by their eventual performance on the field. Just remember that Colin Kaepernick wasn't highly rated coming out of high school. At 2 stars, he was only offered by Nevada. But he turned out OK. Then, of course, there was that local kid - Wilson, wasn't it? How did he turn out?

Further, Doeren has been quite impressive on the recruiting trail thus far, moving State from last in the ACC up to #6. And keep in mind that this doesn't even include the additions of Jacoby Brissett (4 star transfer QB from Florida) or Travares Copeland (3 star WR transfer from WVU). He is also responsible for the commitments of Jonathan Alston (picked State over UNC), two top 50 DT's (Kenton Gibbs and Monty Nelson), and keeping Matt Dayes in the fold (held offers from Arkansas, Tennessee, and was HEAVILY courted by Vanderbilt).

Further, Doeren has been quite impressive on the recruiting trail thus far, moving State from last in the ACC up to #6. And keep in mind that this doesn't even include the additions of Jacoby Brissett (4 star transfer QB from Florida) or Travares Copeland (3 star WR transfer from WVU). He is also responsible for the commitments of Jonathan Alston (picked State over UNC), two top 50 DT's (Kenton Gibbs and Monty Nelson), and keeping Matt Dayes in the fold (held offers from Arkansas, Tennessee, and was HEAVILY courted by Vanderbilt).

Further, Doeren has been quite impressive on the recruiting trail thus far, moving State from last in the ACC up to #6. And keep in mind that this doesn't even include the additions of Jacoby Brissett (4 star transfer QB from Florida) or Travares Copeland (3 star WR transfer from WVU). He is also responsible for the commitments of Jonathan Alston (picked State over UNC), two top 50 DT's (Kenton Gibbs and Monty Nelson), and keeping Matt Dayes in the fold (held offers from Arkansas, Tennessee, and was HEAVILY courted by Vanderbilt).

LolI've seen u deflect many times, mental dwarf.... The top post on the last page does lil to make you look less foolish for your earlier comment in this thread, that 903 took and slapped u upside the head with.

Tough break, tiny!

Good times!

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

903 swung and missed, like he always does. You two are peas in a pod. Of course, he gets very little room in that pod, pudge.

— Posted by still heelman1973

LolDoh Kay, denial girl!

Yur parents must be uber proud!

You merely got FACTslapped.. Now get back up!

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

...speaking of a dump...

— Posted by Rameses Unchained

Yes speaking of a dump, Smitty shows up and my bowels send my brain the signal that it is time to defecate. Coincidence? I think not.

LolI've seen u deflect many times, mental dwarf.... The top post on the last page does lil to make you look less foolish for your earlier comment in this thread, that 903 took and slapped u upside the head with.

Tough break, tiny!

Good times!

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

903 swung and missed, like he always does. You two are peas in a pod. Of course, he gets very little room in that pod, pudge.

as we hope you can get over being #FactSlapped by 903 and the link he so eloquently shared.

lifeisGRAND!

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

See post at top of page, pudge.

— Posted by still heelman1973

LolI've seen u deflect many times, mental dwarf.... The top post on the last page does lil to make you look less foolish for your earlier comment in this thread, that 903 took and slapped u upside the head with.

Tough break, tiny!

Good times!

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

903 swung and missed, like he always does. You two are peas in a pod. Of course, he gets very little room in that pod, pudge.

LolI've seen u deflect many times, mental dwarf.... The top post on the last page does lil to make you look less foolish for your earlier comment in this thread, that 903 took and slapped u upside the head with.

Tough break, tiny!

Good times!

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

903 swung and missed, like he always does. You two are peas in a pod. Of course, he gets very little room in that pod, pudge.

— Posted by still heelman1973

I could see those two getting hired at Disney World! Micky & Minnie!

— Posted by larrys080 .v1

They could rotate who plays who. You'd never know the difference - except for the girth of one. Who knows, maybe Daddy E's boy is pudgy too, though.

as we hope you can get over being #FactSlapped by 903 and the link he so eloquently shared.

lifeisGRAND!

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

See post at top of page, pudge.

— Posted by still heelman1973

LolI've seen u deflect many times, mental dwarf.... The top post on the last page does lil to make you look less foolish for your earlier comment in this thread, that 903 took and slapped u upside the head with.

Tough break, tiny!

Good times!

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

903 swung and missed, like he always does. You two are peas in a pod. Of course, he gets very little room in that pod, pudge.

— Posted by still heelman1973

I could see those two getting hired at Disney World! Micky &amp; Minnie!

as we hope you can get over being #FactSlapped by 903 and the link he so eloquently shared.

lifeisGRAND!

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

See post at top of page, pudge.

— Posted by still heelman1973

LolI've seen u deflect many times, mental dwarf.... The top post on the last page does lil to make you look less foolish for your earlier comment in this thread, that 903 took and slapped u upside the head with.

Tough break, tiny!

Good times!

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

903 swung and missed, like he always does. You two are peas in a pod. Of course, he gets very little room in that pod, pudge.