The Great Tom Brady puts up 23 points on 395 passing yards, in a rain storm, and loses to Seattle. Our Defense gives up 24 points.

We lose because our Defense sucks, you morons and trolls who believe otherwise. It's not about points he may of left on the field. It's about the total # of points our Defense gives up.

Good post. Not that difficult to grasp. Some morons will never get it. Here's a thought : How would a BB team do if he had Flacco, Alex Smith, Sanchez or Romo instead of # 12 ? With his secret recipe D and any one of those QBs, the PATS would never make the playoffs. The point is TB will end up with another ALL-PRO year and our D will again be bottom 10. What else is new ? Belichek will have wasted another year as he lives on past glory. But of course, he's a defensive genius.

3-13. Rusty isn't a Patriot fan, he has an agenda and that's to rip the greatest QB to ever play the game. I think he he may be Drew Bledsoe.

So how many points does Brady have to score a game for it not to be his fault?

20, 30, 40 50? Pick a number. Since our Defense is capable of giving up more points in any game then we score I'd like to know what Brday's Handicap is?

How many groundings and INTs will you allow per game? We think it's great you have sexual feelings for Tom Brady, but don't expect everyone else to here.

Is it a lot to ask to not throw 58 times and go 1 for 6 in the red zone? If we ran Ridley or anyone 3 times for no gain and then kicked a FG in the 4th in any of the remaining red zone tries, we win 26-10 or 26-17 worst case.

How is it any different than the SB D allowing 13 measly points only to ignore his Safety.grounding, the INT on 1st down (just HORRENDOUS!) and the high throw to Welker?

We win the SB if one of those plays does not occur. Truth hurts.

You and your BBWs deflecting wildly with a premise about needing to score 40+ points to win every game is childish and shows the brain development of a 12 year old in terms of the ability to critical think.

This is like the blaming a $10 an hour janitor at GM for its need for a bailout and 30 year business model failures, when it's really on the leaders of the company itself.

You give pass after pass after pass to a HOF QB who has the 2nd largest contract in the NFL.

News Flash, we win the Super Bowl if the Defense doesn't let the Giants drive the field 90 F'ing yards in the final 2 minutes for the go ahead score. Plain and simple Timmy. Now you and Leon continue your tickle fight.

Do you expect more from a D that everyone realizes isn't a great D that just held to 13 points and is waiting for the offense to ice it (just like the D did in Seattle..hmm) or an offense that doesn't score from the last 25 minutes of a half with 3/4 of the payroll invested on that side of the ball?

Crickets.

Is your Brady blow up doll ready for you now?

19 points, rusty. 19 not 13...why must I always have to correct you on this? Spouting the same lie since February. tsk, tsk,

Do you expect more from a D that everyone realizes isn't a great D that just held to 13 points and is waiting for the offense to ice it (just like the D did in Seattle..hmm) or an offense that doesn't score from the last 25 minutes of a half with 3/4 of the payroll invested on that side of the ball?

Crickets.

Is your Brady blow up doll ready for you now?

So you are admitting that this defense cannot hold onto a lead and needs these offense to keep piling on points in order for this team to win a game.

Also, not sure where you made up the 3/4 of the payroll invested in the offense. I believe that Mayo ($9.2M) and Wilfork ($8.6M) have the 2nd and 3rd highest cap numbers on this team. Both acutally higher than Brady.

Do you expect more from a D that everyone realizes isn't a great D that just held to 13 points and is waiting for the offense to ice it (just like the D did in Seattle..hmm) or an offense that doesn't score from the last 25 minutes of a half with 3/4 of the payroll invested on that side of the ball?

Crickets.

Is your Brady blow up doll ready for you now?

So you are admitting that this defense cannot hold onto a lead and needs these offense to keep piling on points in order for this team to win a game.

Also, not sure where you made up the 3/4 of the payroll invested in the offense. I believe that Mayo ($9.2M) and Wilfork ($8.6M) have the 2nd and 3rd highest cap numbers on this team. Both acutally higher than Brady.

Do you expect more from a D that everyone realizes isn't a great D that just held to 13 points and is waiting for the offense to ice it (just like the D did in Seattle..hmm) or an offense that doesn't score from the last 25 minutes of a half with 3/4 of the payroll invested on that side of the ball?

Crickets.

Is your Brady blow up doll ready for you now?

So you are admitting that this defense cannot hold onto a lead and needs these offense to keep piling on points in order for this team to win a game.

Also, not sure where you made up the 3/4 of the payroll invested in the offense. I believe that Mayo ($9.2M) and Wilfork ($8.6M) have the 2nd and 3rd highest cap numbers on this team. Both acutally higher than Brady.

lol, that's exactly what came to my mind when I read that line also.

Yup, said that very thing last week. The dopes that are bashing the O for not scoring more points are actaully bashing the D but they just don't know it. Or get it.

Do you expect more from a D that everyone realizes isn't a great D that just held to 13 points and is waiting for the offense to ice it (just like the D did in Seattle..hmm) or an offense that doesn't score from the last 25 minutes of a half with 3/4 of the payroll invested on that side of the ball?

Crickets.

Is your Brady blow up doll ready for you now?

So you are admitting that this defense cannot hold onto a lead and needs these offense to keep piling on points in order for this team to win a game.

Also, not sure where you made up the 3/4 of the payroll invested in the offense. I believe that Mayo ($9.2M) and Wilfork ($8.6M) have the 2nd and 3rd highest cap numbers on this team. Both acutally higher than Brady.

2 different weeks 2 differnt matchups 2 different stadiums... only a putz would compare them equally.

Since Seattle beat NE by 1 and SF beat Seattle by 7 then SF would beat NE by exactly 8...The NFL is perfectly consistent like that, that is why every game comes out just as LVegas predicts.

The thing with Sports wagering is "the Spread" which is intended to make each game equal. See Vegas wants even money bet on both sides so they don't lose "Payout" a disproportionate amount in either direction. They make their money off the VIG, which is basically a sevrive charge placed on all bets.

I didn't like the title of this thread enough to read the whole thing, but if I were sitting around tyring to figure out ways to make the Pats' continually falling on their collective face in crunch time look like something it's not, I might reconsider who is -- and who is not -- a "putz."

So how many points does Brady have to score a game for it not to be his fault?

20, 30, 40 50? Pick a number. Since our Defense is capable of giving up more points in any game then we score I'd like to know what Brday's Handicap is?

How many groundings and INTs will you allow per game? We think it's great you have sexual feelings for Tom Brady, but don't expect everyone else to here.

Is it a lot to ask to not throw 58 times and go 1 for 6 in the red zone? If we ran Ridley or anyone 3 times for no gain and then kicked a FG in the 4th in any of the remaining red zone tries, we win 26-10 or 26-17 worst case.

How is it any different than the SB D allowing 13 measly points only to ignore his Safety.grounding, the INT on 1st down (just HORRENDOUS!) and the high throw to Welker?

We win the SB if one of those plays does not occur. Truth hurts.

You and your BBWs deflecting wildly with a premise about needing to score 40+ points to win every game is childish and shows the brain development of a 12 year old in terms of the ability to critical think.

This is like the blaming a $10 an hour janitor at GM for its need for a bailout and 30 year business model failures, when it's really on the leaders of the company itself.

You give pass after pass after pass to a HOF QB who has the 2nd largest contract in the NFL.

News Flash, we win the Super Bowl if the Defense doesn't let the Giants drive the field 90 F'ing yards in the final 2 minutes for the go ahead score. Plain and simple Timmy. Now you and Leon continue your tickle fight.

Do you expect more from a D that everyone realizes isn't a great D that just held to 13 points and is waiting for the offense to ice it (just like the D did in Seattle..hmm) or an offense that doesn't score from the last 25 minutes of a half with 3/4 of the payroll invested on that side of the ball?

Crickets.

Is your Brady blow up doll ready for you now?

Ironically, adding a Brady blow up doll would probably be an improvement to this secondary. It wouldn't do anything, just like the current players, but at least it wouldn't take penalties.

Your QB threw 2 int's and had 2 crucial grounding penalties. Old Tommy boy just aint what he used to be. Don't bother me with his completion % or any other stat. In the last two years Brady in the 4th qtr stinks. They just had Hem Edwards on ESPN.

He said who would you rather have in the 4th quarter Brady or Eli and it was unanimous that all asked would take Eli.

Everybody gets old ...and Tommy Boy is showing some kinks in the armour. take off the road colored glasses NE -you are what your record says you are and you are 3 and 3.

The man for bardy can now begin

I'll take Tom Brady over Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow any day. So your a Giants fan now? One is enough on this forum.

Everyone with half a brain can see how bad our secondary is but him. He dumps on Brady constantly only to stand by the secondary. If you put this guy in front of a crowd and he said the things he types he'd get bottles thrown at him thats how offside he is.

He clearly has an anti TB12 agenda all the while brown nosing BB when his defensive genius is allowing earth shattering passing yards. The problem on this team is the fact Brady has to carry it game in and game out and if he don't the defense is going to shiaaaaat the bed regardless and we will lose.