Apos:Damn. There goes one professional reference for his next job application form.

Do people actually use those?

The most they can legally ask is 'is he elligable for rehire yes/no' basically. Can't ask why or any details, and if employers get caught it's a pretty serious penalty (well, on paper) so most real companies are stiff on it. Plus it's funny.

kroonermanblack:Apos: Damn. There goes one professional reference for his next job application form.

Do people actually use those?

The most they can legally ask is 'is he elligable for rehire yes/no' basically. Can't ask why or any details, and if employers get caught it's a pretty serious penalty (well, on paper) so most real companies are stiff on it. Plus it's funny.

In nearly all states, they can ask whatever they want (well, other than illegal things like age, religion, sexual orientation in states where it's illegal to discriminate on that basis, etc.)... and the employer can say anything that's true.

But most big companies are so afraid of getting sued (remember, it costs serious money even to win in the US) that they set up systems like that where all they'll answer is whether they'd re-hire the person. It's sad, because the lack of true information screws everyone.

Having hired people for government temp jobs, nothing pissed me off more than those vague references. I got to the point where I wouldn't even call the corporations I knew did that unless the applicant had had no other jobs. Think about it. "We wouldn't re-hire her" can mean anything from "she raped our kittens" or "she stole from the till" to "we did something illegal to her, then she sued us and won" or "she reported us for dumping motor oil in the gutter".

Comes with extender Buggre Alle this for a Larke. I amme sick to mye Hart of typesettinge. Master Biltonn is no Gentlemann, and Master Scagges noe more than a tighte fisted Southwarke Knobbesticke ring kit

saeufer82:Think about it. "We wouldn't re-hire her" can mean anything from "she raped our kittens" or "she stole from the till" to "we did something illegal to her, then she sued us and won" or "she reported us for dumping motor oil in the gutter".

my former company had a round of permanent lay offs, and when a potential employer called they said they wouldn't rehire me, but didn't add that it was because the layoffs were permanent and wouldn't rehire anyone who was laid off.

Most employers don't bother to check references because most companies basically won't give out any information besides dates of employment. What most employers will do is check for criminal record, and Google a person's name. If you are applying for a job in law enforcement, or something that requires bonding or security clearance, there will be a more through investigation usually including sending someone to interview past employers, neighbors and the like.

Comes with extender Buggre Alle this for a Larke. I amme sick to mye Hart of typesettinge. Master Biltonn is no Gentlemann, and Master Scagges noe more than a tighte fisted Southwarke Knobbesticke ring kit

12.5" H x 15.5"W

Has a nice Biblical ring to it...almost feel like I've read it before...I must have read it somewhere, forget my own head next.

Fissile:Most employers don't bother to check references because most companies basically won't give out any information besides dates of employment. What most employers will do is check for criminal record, and Google a person's name. If you are applying for a job in law enforcement, or something that requires bonding or security clearance, there will be a more through investigation usually including sending someone to interview past employers, neighbors and the like.

Really not that much of a CS, B.

My friend applied for a summer job at a Army research facility and put me down as a reference. They actually did call me asking about him. At the end of August, when he had one week left on the job before going back to school.

I was really tempted to say something like "oh, you're asking about his character? Well, he's been giving me all of these confidential documents for the past three months, just because I ask for them! He's such a good friend".

Fissile:Most employers don't bother to check references because most companies basically won't give out any information besides dates of employment. What most employers will do is check for criminal record, and Google a person's name. If you are applying for a job in law enforcement, or something that requires bonding or security clearance, there will be a more through investigation usually including sending someone to interview past employers, neighbors and the like.

Ehh depends on where the employment was at. For a lot of generic work (working at a big company where they will just talk to HR they often do not contact them because the HR rep is only capable of giving dates of employment and how they left (because HR people do not actually work with the people).

But employers will contact past employers if there is a good chance that they could get information from the reference (smaller businesses or work at a university while going to school for example), they will also contact past employers if they see several jobs on an application over a short time frame, because it is a major red flag (no place likes training people just to have them leave immediately) and even though they will get HR, they can find out how the employee left (quit/resigned with notice, quit/resigned with no notice or termination for X, Y, and Z reasons). If they talk to two or three past employers and they all come up fired or quitting with no noticed, then they can just toss out the application because that person is not worth it.

Some places I've worked for pre-screen their applications to avoid even having to call references.

All boxes not filled out? Whoops, into the shredder.Availability not listed? Sorry, we don't seem to be hiring at the moment.Putting information in the wrong spaces? Oh, I seem to have misplaced your paperwork.

It never ceases to amaze me how many simple errors people make that make it so easy for an employer to drop an app into the circular file. And with as many applications come through a week, or even in a day, hiring managers are looking for any excuse to not have to spend ten minutes trying to decipher your school or employment history.

CSB:

Once got an application with not enough address history to do a background check. So, we had them fill it in. Then they didn't list their availability, so we had them come in again and resubmit. A third trip to fill out their employment and school history. Finally, we gave up. Best part? On the schooling section, it has three lines for High School, College and Technical School. Somehow, they managed to fit everything onto one line: "Lakeland College in Tampa Fl, graduated, with a GED."

/csb//City names changed, o'course///Graduating College with a GED? That's some effort.

OTOH, years and years ago, just after I got out of grad school and was looking for a teaching job, I worked at a Pizza Hut for a while. I got a job offer from an auto parts store for a buck more an hour, so I took it and came in to tell them at Pizza Hut I was quitting, immediately.

The manager was not in , so I informed the assistant manager. He became quite upset and tried to talk me out of it, ending with, "You know, this won't look good on your permanent record." I said, "Permanent record?" and laughed in his face and left.

You know, I'm still amazed after 6 months as a manager at my current place of employment that we don't get more applications. People are all "OH WAAA THERE'S NO JOBS AVAILABLE" but really it's "there's no jobs available that I'm willing to do". We've been actively hiring since I started with this company a year and some change ago.

Granted, I don't work for IBM or anything, but still. My dad always told me that when you lose your job and have bills to pay, you do what you gotta do. And for me, that includes working at Jimmy John's.

Sumpinlikedat:That damn fedora: with as many applications come through a week

You know, I'm still amazed after 6 months as a manager at my current place of employment that we don't get more applications. People are all "OH WAAA THERE'S NO JOBS AVAILABLE" but really it's "there's no jobs available that I'm willing to do". We've been actively hiring since I started with this company a year and some change ago.

Granted, I don't work for IBM or anything, but still. My dad always told me that when you lose your job and have bills to pay, you do what you gotta do. And for me, that includes working at Jimmy John's.

Drop the test requiring applicants to learn all the sandwiches (because they'll learn them all anyway as they will be making them every day) and you just might get more applicants rather than having the few applicants you do get turning around and telling their friends about the b.s. test.

The My Little Pony Killer:Drop the test requiring applicants to learn all the sandwiches (because they'll learn them all anyway as they will be making them every day) and you just might get more applicants rather than having the few applicants you do get turning around and telling their friends about the b.s. test.

That test is not that damned hard. I learned them all with less than 5 mistakes, including all the ingredients, with about 2 hours of studying the night before I took it. And a lot of times, especially when we really, really need people, we are VERY lenient with that test. My boss hired someone who I'm pretty sure is functionally retarded and can't remember what goes on what sandwich from one shift to another but he's a driver (WTF, somebody gave this guy a driver's license) so that's apparently okay.

The reason we give the test to begin with is so that on the first day, when you get thrown onto the make line because 3 different people are "sick", you have some clue of what you're supposed to be making.