Group sales

From Openmoko

Openmoko have announced a scheme to sell the forthcoming Neo Freerunner at a discount if bought in multiples of 10 (US$369, instead of 399), to be shipped in one package. Group buying will thus save money on the purchase, and on the shipping. This page is to to organise group purchases by region.

For calculating shipping costs, the dimensions of one 10-pack is 435mm x 371mm x 119mm. The weight should be around 3kg.

Steve from Openmoko announced "Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets."
So join us within a local group !

Austria

There is a group-buy page at MetaLab, available here: http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko .. we almost have the full 10 slots assigned, and its quite possible that we will order *20* phones, so please register on the Metalab pages and let us know if you're interested ..

Belgium

Brussels

Status 6/10

NO OpenMoko FreeRunner 900/1800 available anymore (on July 3, 2008 at 21h) as needed in Europe. Furthermore,
confirmation: From Pulster.eu: Our sales price is 299 EUR + shipping 15 EUR in Europe = 314 EUR. The idea of "open" is ours. So check our price calculation: if you order the Freerunner from Taiwan, it's 399 USD + 100 USD shipping + c. 90 USD "import taxes" inside Europe. Total 589 USD = c.380 EUR. So it will be cheaper and we Europeans have 2 years of warranty when buying from Pulster, instead of a 14 days(?) for imported goods.

Groupsales from pulster.eu are possible with a reduction (their normal price is 329 EUR):GroupSales: Ordering 10 units or more (no need for multiples of 10) we are pleased to offer 299 EUR - tell us your country and we work out the best way of transaction.You can make a order now to be sure to get a freerunner with our next delivery which we expect 08/15/08 (15.August).

Invoice considerations

According to Lone Borre from SKAT.dk the rules are different if the buyer is private or a company. If a company buys the phone the invoice must be addressed to the company and the company must be a registered importer. This makes it harder to do a group sale in which 2 of the recipients need an invoice.

Jutland

Aalborg

Status: 8/10

Should anyone need it, transportation from Aalborg to Thisted for phones can be arranged, if you don't want to pick it up in Aalborg yourself :) ~leinir

Estonia

Tallinn

Let's see if we can get ten people together for this. I'm willing to organise the local distribution if we can. Spread the word and try to get more locals interested in it. Yogiz 08:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Pulster.de now sells individual phones at 329€/phone, but 10-packs at 299€/phone.

Already ordered

Uusimaa

(Note to gta02v6 waiting people:"The A5 boards have been reworked to remove the [LED] issue. So WRT
LEDs a5 and a6 have the same power consumption". So, there is should be no reason to wait for V6. See also Neo FreeRunner GTA02 Hardware#GTA02v6.)

Alpes de Haute Provence

Manosque

Provence Alpes Cote d'Azur

Sophia Antipolis

Midi-Pyrénées

Toulouse

Germany

Baden-Württemberg

Karlsruhe

Out:

Spacemarine I'm out. Since the Freerunner is available for 300 Euro in Germany, I don't see any point in organizing a groupbuy anymore. I've sent an email to everyone else interested in the groupbuy. If you are in this list or if I met you on the Kalug Meeting, you should have gotten it.

Delhi/NCR

Mumbai [Bombay]

Ireland

Dublin

We are still looking to make up the numbers for this so if you are interested please post! We have 9 die-hards ready and waiting to order. We can order more than 10 so don't be discouraged, just put your name down. No man (or woman) left behind!

We're going to order this week (probably 23rd or 24th July) so put your name down quick if you want in.

Because Pulster are offering the units at €299 apiece with a 2 year warranty and free shipping (without the freebies though) we are going to order from them and not direct from Taiwan.

To register your interest for the Dublin shipment please post a comment on this blog post and enter your details below.

If we don't reach the 10 phones limit in each city, maybe we could place an order in the "most requested city", and from shipping to other buyers. We'll have anyway a good discount although the "double-shipping". (Read here for reference).

Ciudad Victoria

Special notice

After discussion on the talk page, a number of us have decided to place an individual order at Pulster.eu, because they are cheaper than the group sale discount, and they deliver a receipt with VAT.
I'd advise the people on this group sale-list to do the same.
You can indeed place a group order at Pulster.eu, but that won't lower the price, and would only add extra shipping costs. (from the person who made the group-order to the individual members of the group) MadJo 11:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Zoetermeer

Rotterdam

Utrecht

Utrecht

Status

29/30

New Zealand

Networks

As Telecom are using the 850MHz network for their GSM network, while Vodafone and northelia (possibly aka orcon) are using 900/1800MHz, please state which version you want. This may need more research, I'm not 100%; see [11] for more info

Shipping

Based on the Openmoko direct store, shipping is US$258.05 (US$25.81/phone)

Someone on the community list suggested using [12], a shipping company that will re-post items overseas at decent rates. They claim US$66 for a 3kg package, or NZ$8 per phone. Of course, the cost of shipping the phone from OM to the shipping company has to be added in as well.

Purchase cost

As of 2008-07-03 (exchange rate 0.7505), US$369 is worth NZ$492 and US$25.81 is worth NZ$34.39

Duty/taxes/other charges

import duty on mobile phones is 0%[13], and GST is 12.5% so the GST added to each phone will be NZ$65.80; 12.5% * (492 + 34.39), 'cause we pay GST on postage too...

You'll also need to add on disbursement fees etc. If it's UPS it's not too bad (~NZ$40) if it comes through NZ Post then it can be ~NZ$120.

So, the total cost of a Freerunner as part of a 10 pack, will be:
492 + 34.39 + 65.80 = NZ$592.19 + NZ$4 = ~NZ$596

+ any possible charges to get it posted elsewhere in New Zealand.

Also, for the person buying, don't forget that there is likely charges from VISA for foreign exchange. ASB is 2.1% of the purchase price which will add ~$12.50 ea. to the price.

Auckland

Status:10 phones requested, the required minimum (10 phones) is reached, but more buyers are still welcome to join.
13/20

Intermediary

Glen ogilvie made a suggestion, that we could use a company (e.g. someone's employer, who are likely to have easily found contact details and thus be trustworthy) to buy the phones on our behalf (after we'd paid for them), and then deliver them to us.
any volunteers? do any of you have understanding bosses/your own company that could help out here?
Dave Lane: I think Egressive would be willing to act as an intermediary. Contact me to discuss it...

Having contacted all the below people who have said they were interested, we only got 6 emails back from people. We need 4 more and we can put in our order. Please Contact me here so that we can get this order underway...

Purchaser List

i'm quite happy to organise the purchase, if no-one has any objections. to ease any worries about me running off with the money, we could use an escrow service such as [15], or paypal. or does anyone have any other ideas?

Poland

Portugal

Shop is open (currently only 850MHz version available. We want 900MHz): Shipping cost to Portugal for 10-pack: $219.07, ~14 EUR per device.

We also need to have a cost estimation for Portuguese customs (like the Australians did). 20% sales tax + customs tax is to be expected both for individual or bulk sales, because the price is quite high. But freedom is priceless :)

Ruben Mendes is coordinating the group buy. If you are interested get in touch with him.
Currently we have a group buy with our spanish friends. See IberiaGroupSale.

If we end up with more than one 10-pack in Sweden, my guess is that it would probably pay to order everything in one shipment to one address in Sweden to save on the international shipping, and then remail domestically.

Västerås

Norrland

Umeå

Luleå

mh 1 unit, mailto:mh@rcc.se If not up to 10 by launch. i'd join any group and either pick it up or have it remailed nationally

Switzerland

1x 10 Pack ordered from pulster for the group Zürich! Read more below --Tuxfux.ch 17:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

??? should organize the 3 x 10pack for Zürich
Luca Capello could organize the 10pack for Geneva.
Mathieu will organisze the 2 x 10pack for Lausanne EPFL CH-fr

All payment in advance (a 10pack will cost approx 3'800 USD).

Probably we will organize shippings, if we cannot all move to Zürich/Genève/Lausanne to get our Neo.

François Bianco is trying to create a new group of 10 (will be mostly for French Switzerland). -> The group moved to the EPFL group, which will try to reach 20 persons. --Fbianco 11:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Gabriel Ambuehl would volunteer to order the initial 10pack. <- still accurate ? -> Gabriel will not organize the 10packs for Zürich due to not being in Switzerland. We are in contact to find a solution so please wait until we know what to do. Order in Germany (each for himself or as a group, not clear yet) could be as cheap as a 10pack. We are in contact with pulster.de and will be contacted form pulster about the price. We will contact you guys in the Zürich list as soon as we know more --Tuxfux.ch 10:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Alexandre Ghisoli will not organize the second 10pack, since the order moved in the Lucca's group.

Customs and Postage

I called the Swiss Federal Customs Administration and it seems that we only need to pay VAT (7.6%) and the UPS taxes as well (since the parcel will be sent through UPS). Thus I called UPS and it seems that UPS directly pays the VAT instead of the customer, then asking the customer for refund (plus a fixed tax of EUR13.00). So I think the following per-phone cost for a Swiss bulk order should be a good estimate.

I will organice the next 10pack as soon as this list is full. You may Pick up the Phone at the ETH Zürich (money: exact amount in cash or directly to my bank-account in advance) or I will send it to you (money: directly to my bank-account in advance including the Porto). The other conditions are the same as above. (Joerg Maeder/Goergel)

Suisse romande / Morges

I'll order a pack for Switzerland people. The price of FreeRunner will be 460 CHF all inclusive (VAT and shipping in your post box)
Contact me here: Contact if you want one.
We are already 6, so 4 remaining. Contact me at : jec at jesc dot ch

Mid-Atlantic

District of Columbia (DC) Metro Area

Virginia

Virginia Tech (1/10)

Richmond

Philippe and Steve joined the NY list

New York (20/20)

As of 8 July 2008 we still need five people to pay in order to complete a second batch of ten. Just because there are twenty names on this list doesn't mean you can't join in.
PLEASE contact Bert or Michael in addition to adding yourself to the list

Nevada

Reno/Sparks

UK

Scotland

Edinburgh

The Wiki's e-mail feature (those URLs with “Special:Emailuser” in them) does not seem to be working. I tried contacting Dave Ball and Stuart MacKinnon that way and got no reply. Later, Stuart and Dave (who I reached by writing a message here) told me they never got the e-mail. So the Wiki's e-mail feature might be broken. So please contact me by going to my web page and using my e-mail address listed there. Stuart, George, and Dave have been in contact with me by e-mail. I am happy to put anyone in Scotland who sends me e-mail in touch with the others.

Not enough people have gotten in touch so far (as of 2008-06-28) to justify a bulk order of a 10-pack. Also, there is now a UK distributor: TrueBox. Because TrueBox appears to be ordering 10-packs (and thereby getting the bonus goodies (headphones and pouches) that come in the 10-packs), it seems there is little motivation to try to organize a Scottish bulk order. So I am likely to give up on the idea of a Scottish bulk order for myself (unless lots of people contact me in the next day or so!).

Hi,
first thanks for all the work you have collecting the money - I will
send you some small present for your help !
The first batch of Freerunner are sold out, my apologises. We expect new
delivery on 25.07.08 and will do our best to ship your Openmoko unit !
Making a payment now will ensure you to be one of the happy receivers of
the unit with this next delivery !
Payment:
30 units * 299 = 8970 EUR. Shipping is free.
Please transfer it to our bank account. You will find our bank
informations below. If the funds are on the way, send us a short email
notice. It will speed up the procession of your order. Thank you very
much.
Invoice/shipping address:
for warranty issues I need the name of all buyers please.
also your shipping address.
Shipment:
We try to ship same day we are got the new Openmoko units in stock.
Again sorry for the delay and thanks for your order with Pulster.
You will get your order with insured and registered DHL airmail parcel.
Please find average trasit times here:
http://www.dhl.de/dhl?tab=1&skin=hi&check=yes&lang=de_EN&xmlFile=3607
Please feel free to ask if there are any questions left. We are glad to help.
Many thanks,
Christoph Pulster

Bahrain

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Openmoko have announced a scheme to sell the forthcoming Neo Freerunner at a discount if bought in multiples of 10 (US$369, instead of 399), to be shipped in one package. Group buying will thus save money on the purchase, and on the shipping. This page is to to organise group purchases by region.

For calculating shipping costs, the dimensions of one 10-pack is 435mm x 371mm x 119mm. The weight should be around 3kg.

Steve from Openmoko announced "Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets."
So join us within a local group !

Austria

There is a group-buy page at MetaLab, available here: http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko .. we almost have the full 10 slots assigned, and its quite possible that we will order *20* phones, so please register on the Metalab pages and let us know if you're interested ..

Belgium

Brussels

Status 6/10

NO OpenMoko FreeRunner 900/1800 available anymore (on July 3, 2008 at 21h) as needed in Europe. Furthermore,
confirmation: From Pulster.eu: Our sales price is 299 EUR + shipping 15 EUR in Europe = 314 EUR. The idea of "open" is ours. So check our price calculation: if you order the Freerunner from Taiwan, it's 399 USD + 100 USD shipping + c. 90 USD "import taxes" inside Europe. Total 589 USD = c.380 EUR. So it will be cheaper and we Europeans have 2 years of warranty when buying from Pulster, instead of a 14 days(?) for imported goods.

Groupsales from pulster.eu are possible with a reduction (their normal price is 329 EUR):GroupSales: Ordering 10 units or more (no need for multiples of 10) we are pleased to offer 299 EUR - tell us your country and we work out the best way of transaction.You can make a order now to be sure to get a freerunner with our next delivery which we expect 08/15/08 (15.August).

Invoice considerations

According to Lone Borre from SKAT.dk the rules are different if the buyer is private or a company. If a company buys the phone the invoice must be addressed to the company and the company must be a registered importer. This makes it harder to do a group sale in which 2 of the recipients need an invoice.

Jutland

Aalborg

Status: 8/10

Should anyone need it, transportation from Aalborg to Thisted for phones can be arranged, if you don't want to pick it up in Aalborg yourself :) ~leinir

Estonia

Tallinn

Let's see if we can get ten people together for this. I'm willing to organise the local distribution if we can. Spread the word and try to get more locals interested in it. Yogiz 08:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Pulster.de now sells individual phones at 329€/phone, but 10-packs at 299€/phone.

Already ordered

Uusimaa

(Note to gta02v6 waiting people:"The A5 boards have been reworked to remove the [LED] issue. So WRT
LEDs a5 and a6 have the same power consumption". So, there is should be no reason to wait for V6. See also Neo FreeRunner GTA02 Hardware#GTA02v6.)

Alpes de Haute Provence

Manosque

Provence Alpes Cote d'Azur

Sophia Antipolis

Midi-Pyrénées

Toulouse

Germany

Baden-Württemberg

Karlsruhe

Out:

Spacemarine I'm out. Since the Freerunner is available for 300 Euro in Germany, I don't see any point in organizing a groupbuy anymore. I've sent an email to everyone else interested in the groupbuy. If you are in this list or if I met you on the Kalug Meeting, you should have gotten it.

Delhi/NCR

Mumbai [Bombay]

Ireland

Dublin

We are still looking to make up the numbers for this so if you are interested please post! We have 9 die-hards ready and waiting to order. We can order more than 10 so don't be discouraged, just put your name down. No man (or woman) left behind!

We're going to order this week (probably 23rd or 24th July) so put your name down quick if you want in.

Because Pulster are offering the units at €299 apiece with a 2 year warranty and free shipping (without the freebies though) we are going to order from them and not direct from Taiwan.

To register your interest for the Dublin shipment please post a comment on this blog post and enter your details below.

If we don't reach the 10 phones limit in each city, maybe we could place an order in the "most requested city", and from shipping to other buyers. We'll have anyway a good discount although the "double-shipping". (Read here for reference).

Ciudad Victoria

Special notice

After discussion on the talk page, a number of us have decided to place an individual order at Pulster.eu, because they are cheaper than the group sale discount, and they deliver a receipt with VAT.
I'd advise the people on this group sale-list to do the same.
You can indeed place a group order at Pulster.eu, but that won't lower the price, and would only add extra shipping costs. (from the person who made the group-order to the individual members of the group) MadJo 11:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Zoetermeer

Rotterdam

Utrecht

Utrecht

Status

29/30

New Zealand

Networks

As Telecom are using the 850MHz network for their GSM network, while Vodafone and northelia (possibly aka orcon) are using 900/1800MHz, please state which version you want. This may need more research, I'm not 100%; see [11] for more info

Shipping

Based on the Openmoko direct store, shipping is US$258.05 (US$25.81/phone)

Someone on the community list suggested using [12], a shipping company that will re-post items overseas at decent rates. They claim US$66 for a 3kg package, or NZ$8 per phone. Of course, the cost of shipping the phone from OM to the shipping company has to be added in as well.

Purchase cost

As of 2008-07-03 (exchange rate 0.7505), US$369 is worth NZ$492 and US$25.81 is worth NZ$34.39

Duty/taxes/other charges

import duty on mobile phones is 0%[13], and GST is 12.5% so the GST added to each phone will be NZ$65.80; 12.5% * (492 + 34.39), 'cause we pay GST on postage too...

You'll also need to add on disbursement fees etc. If it's UPS it's not too bad (~NZ$40) if it comes through NZ Post then it can be ~NZ$120.

So, the total cost of a Freerunner as part of a 10 pack, will be:
492 + 34.39 + 65.80 = NZ$592.19 + NZ$4 = ~NZ$596

+ any possible charges to get it posted elsewhere in New Zealand.

Also, for the person buying, don't forget that there is likely charges from VISA for foreign exchange. ASB is 2.1% of the purchase price which will add ~$12.50 ea. to the price.

Auckland

Status:10 phones requested, the required minimum (10 phones) is reached, but more buyers are still welcome to join.
13/20

Intermediary

Glen ogilvie made a suggestion, that we could use a company (e.g. someone's employer, who are likely to have easily found contact details and thus be trustworthy) to buy the phones on our behalf (after we'd paid for them), and then deliver them to us.
any volunteers? do any of you have understanding bosses/your own company that could help out here?
Dave Lane: I think Egressive would be willing to act as an intermediary. Contact me to discuss it...

Having contacted all the below people who have said they were interested, we only got 6 emails back from people. We need 4 more and we can put in our order. Please Contact me here so that we can get this order underway...

Purchaser List

i'm quite happy to organise the purchase, if no-one has any objections. to ease any worries about me running off with the money, we could use an escrow service such as [15], or paypal. or does anyone have any other ideas?

Poland

Portugal

Shop is open (currently only 850MHz version available. We want 900MHz): Shipping cost to Portugal for 10-pack: $219.07, ~14 EUR per device.

We also need to have a cost estimation for Portuguese customs (like the Australians did). 20% sales tax + customs tax is to be expected both for individual or bulk sales, because the price is quite high. But freedom is priceless :)

Ruben Mendes is coordinating the group buy. If you are interested get in touch with him.
Currently we have a group buy with our spanish friends. See IberiaGroupSale.

If we end up with more than one 10-pack in Sweden, my guess is that it would probably pay to order everything in one shipment to one address in Sweden to save on the international shipping, and then remail domestically.

Västerås

Norrland

Umeå

Luleå

mh 1 unit, mailto:mh@rcc.se If not up to 10 by launch. i'd join any group and either pick it up or have it remailed nationally

Switzerland

1x 10 Pack ordered from pulster for the group Zürich! Read more below --Tuxfux.ch 17:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

??? should organize the 3 x 10pack for Zürich
Luca Capello could organize the 10pack for Geneva.
Mathieu will organisze the 2 x 10pack for Lausanne EPFL CH-fr

All payment in advance (a 10pack will cost approx 3'800 USD).

Probably we will organize shippings, if we cannot all move to Zürich/Genève/Lausanne to get our Neo.

François Bianco is trying to create a new group of 10 (will be mostly for French Switzerland). -> The group moved to the EPFL group, which will try to reach 20 persons. --Fbianco 11:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Gabriel Ambuehl would volunteer to order the initial 10pack. <- still accurate ? -> Gabriel will not organize the 10packs for Zürich due to not being in Switzerland. We are in contact to find a solution so please wait until we know what to do. Order in Germany (each for himself or as a group, not clear yet) could be as cheap as a 10pack. We are in contact with pulster.de and will be contacted form pulster about the price. We will contact you guys in the Zürich list as soon as we know more --Tuxfux.ch 10:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Alexandre Ghisoli will not organize the second 10pack, since the order moved in the Lucca's group.

Customs and Postage

I called the Swiss Federal Customs Administration and it seems that we only need to pay VAT (7.6%) and the UPS taxes as well (since the parcel will be sent through UPS). Thus I called UPS and it seems that UPS directly pays the VAT instead of the customer, then asking the customer for refund (plus a fixed tax of EUR13.00). So I think the following per-phone cost for a Swiss bulk order should be a good estimate.

I will organice the next 10pack as soon as this list is full. You may Pick up the Phone at the ETH Zürich (money: exact amount in cash or directly to my bank-account in advance) or I will send it to you (money: directly to my bank-account in advance including the Porto). The other conditions are the same as above. (Joerg Maeder/Goergel)

Suisse romande / Morges

I'll order a pack for Switzerland people. The price of FreeRunner will be 460 CHF all inclusive (VAT and shipping in your post box)
Contact me here: Contact if you want one.
We are already 6, so 4 remaining. Contact me at : jec at jesc dot ch

Mid-Atlantic

District of Columbia (DC) Metro Area

Virginia

Virginia Tech (1/10)

Richmond

Philippe and Steve joined the NY list

New York (20/20)

As of 8 July 2008 we still need five people to pay in order to complete a second batch of ten. Just because there are twenty names on this list doesn't mean you can't join in.
PLEASE contact Bert or Michael in addition to adding yourself to the list

Nevada

Reno/Sparks

UK

Scotland

Edinburgh

The Wiki's e-mail feature (those URLs with “Special:Emailuser” in them) does not seem to be working. I tried contacting Dave Ball and Stuart MacKinnon that way and got no reply. Later, Stuart and Dave (who I reached by writing a message here) told me they never got the e-mail. So the Wiki's e-mail feature might be broken. So please contact me by going to my web page and using my e-mail address listed there. Stuart, George, and Dave have been in contact with me by e-mail. I am happy to put anyone in Scotland who sends me e-mail in touch with the others.

Not enough people have gotten in touch so far (as of 2008-06-28) to justify a bulk order of a 10-pack. Also, there is now a UK distributor: TrueBox. Because TrueBox appears to be ordering 10-packs (and thereby getting the bonus goodies (headphones and pouches) that come in the 10-packs), it seems there is little motivation to try to organize a Scottish bulk order. So I am likely to give up on the idea of a Scottish bulk order for myself (unless lots of people contact me in the next day or so!).

Hi,
first thanks for all the work you have collecting the money - I will
send you some small present for your help !
The first batch of Freerunner are sold out, my apologises. We expect new
delivery on 25.07.08 and will do our best to ship your Openmoko unit !
Making a payment now will ensure you to be one of the happy receivers of
the unit with this next delivery !
Payment:
30 units * 299 = 8970 EUR. Shipping is free.
Please transfer it to our bank account. You will find our bank
informations below. If the funds are on the way, send us a short email
notice. It will speed up the procession of your order. Thank you very
much.
Invoice/shipping address:
for warranty issues I need the name of all buyers please.
also your shipping address.
Shipment:
We try to ship same day we are got the new Openmoko units in stock.
Again sorry for the delay and thanks for your order with Pulster.
You will get your order with insured and registered DHL airmail parcel.
Please find average trasit times here:
http://www.dhl.de/dhl?tab=1&skin=hi&check=yes&lang=de_EN&xmlFile=3607
Please feel free to ask if there are any questions left. We are glad to help.
Many thanks,
Christoph Pulster