Originally posted by Buddha1098
No one style is complete. IMO BJJ is the most effective art for one on one combat compared to singular styles. Disagree? Watch the early UFCs.

However in street fighting situations I'd take a Judo guy over a BJJ guy any day. Toss someone on their head and even if the fight isn't one on one
his buddies might think twice before they step in.

Stand up arts are great but if the guy is a good grappler you better knock him out on the way in or your done.

Mixing styles is the only way to be a complete fighter, you need enough wrestling to stay off your back, enough Jits to avoid being submitted and
enough standup to make the other guy respect your hands.

I was going to answer until I read this. Buddha1098 answered correctly for unarmed combat. It sounds like you might have some training yourself? I've
trained in muay thai, bjj, and judo. The only thing I'm missing is wrestling, but I don't feel it's a weakness unless I'm going against a trained
wrestler(which could happen).
But that wrestler better hope he has good sub defense if he gets me down

I really think most of this martial arts is going to be useless in the case of a major social/governmental breakdown. It's going to be more
important to focus on guerrilla hit and run tactics because any sort of military force isn't going to just stand there while you walk up and attack
them, they will be armed with combat knives and fully automatic weapons. These are not going to be people who will have an honest fight with a
civilian, if they show hostility, they will get a bullet. Smartest move is going to be studying anatomy to learn the various weak points of the human
body, studying various military battle gear to see where the reinforced sections are, and launching your attacks as quickly and quietly as possible so
you still have a chance of walking away alive yourself. I'm not going to outright dismiss the use of martial arts/hand to hand skills, but the
likelihood of being close enough to put them to use under a martial state is only high if you allow yourself to make contact immediately after
installment of forces (during the round-up) or if you are found by a patrol, and in both situations (unless you have networked with others) will
outnumber you to a degree that makes such an attack pure suicide.

I'd personally suggest just keeping yourself in good shape, studying guerrilla tactics, thinking about beneficial changes to those tactics (because
all militaries study them), and above all knowing your enemy. Another good preparation would be investing some time into languages, it will aid in
intelligence gathering from overheard troop conversations and in the event that you are caught could humanize you enough that foreign/nato troops will
lose the ability to take the shot or give you a small window to make your own.

This has been a question asked since the first time two people got into a fight. There is no one type of self defense that is above all others.I
started in martial arts when I was 6 yrs old. Thats well over 30 yrs ago. I have a Black belt in Aikido, A 2nd degree in Tae kwon do, a brown belt in
Brazilian Ju-Jitsu, I have taken boxing, Muy Thai, Krav Maga and Jeet Kune do.I have probably been in 300-400 street fights in my life. The most
important things I have learned are these: No matter how good or how fast you are, you will get hit. You need to know how to take a hit and use that
that to your advantage. There is always someone better and you will get your ass kicked at some point.Anyone who says otherwise is full of #. Most of
the time a fight will end up on the ground if it lasts more than 5 seconds so you better know how to grapple and fight off of your back. There is no
such thing as a "super secret deadly punch/kick,gouge" Thats made up movie crap.Forget trying to kick a man in the nuts. 9 out of 10 times you will
miss and really piss your attacker off. Remember- a man was born with those and has been protecting them since he could walk. If they have a weapon
the best defense is the Nike defense-RUN. Unless you have no other choice.And always try to remain calm. And NEVER underestimate what another human
being is capable of doing based on their size/shape or demeanor. That could prove to be a deadly mistake.And the A #1 lesson-There are no rules in a
fight, everything is fair and anything goes.

Originally posted by OoohLaDeDa
What do you reckon?
Wing chun?
Krav Magra?
Boxing?
Tai Chi?

Although USA and Canada can have guns, other countries wont have the luxury of having these to defend ourselves with. Assuming someone starts training
now, which is the best to learn to protect our famillies and pets?

Taekwondo, Krav Magra, Escrima.

Only ones worth learning. Period.

Thai Chi won't help you when it comes to practical fighting. Boxing will help if you don't have time to actually learn, but boxers will get
destroyed by any competant martial artist.

Escrima will teach you how to fight with make shift weapons, like a tree branch... or a pencil. Krav Magra will teach you all your take down, counter
weapon fighting and generally keep you safe VS MMA style fighters.

Taekwondo, will keep all the no nothing fighters away from your perimeter. They also have the best kicking of any martial art, as well as is home to
the MOST powerful kick of any martial art, the tkd back kick.

What makes TKD better in practice over something like Muay Thai is the nature of it's kicks. While a Taekwondo round kick, may not deliver the power
of a Muay Thai round kick.... it's VERY close, and has a much greater advantage of hiding your telegraphing.

Every kick in TKD starts the same way, so there is no way to appropriately guess where the foot is going to go, until it gets there.

I believe firmly that having knowledge in all three of these martial arts, will make you about as protected as you could ever be without having a
projectile weapon.

(I am a black belt in TKD, and have taken classes in about 10 martial arts now....)

Interesting thread. A lot of good advice here along with some misleading ideas.

A proficient martial artist practices with the intention of avoiding fights, but if forced, he will kill.

Personality, mind-set, temperment, physical condition will all factor into determining which form of the art will work best for you. The important
and critical factor in sharpening your skills, abilities and effectiveness in real life situations will be determined by the intensity to which you
are willing to learn and to the degree that you are dedicated to practicing it.

Also, choose your instructor with great care. A sloppy and uninvolved instructor will do you no good.

As for a gun, well knowledge, training and practice are still needed to use it safely and effectively. Also, there is always the question of what to
do when you run out of bullets? The use of a knife also involves risks. Both weapons are options however if the proper skills in their use has been
developed.

In the end, the best option is to be aware and prepared in the event of the worst case scenario.

Originally posted by TheOracle
Probably ninjutsu as it teaches you to fight under so many conditions (using a chair, a pen...) and so many different weapons.
Not only that, it teaches you to stay alive : running, stealth, dirty tactics, kill in one strike. This art has nothing martial, ninjutsu is not a
sport it's a way of life.

No offense but I think ninjutsu is right up there with super powers because most people have this outlandish fantasy when it comes to it. ninjutsu
isn't really in the category of MA. Its just another term for "out of the ordinary tactic". Its nothing to learn really its doing/using whatever is
necessary in terms of combat. So bringing a gun to fist fight or ambushing someone walking alone are all acts in ninjutsu. The modern form of ninjutsu
is made up it never existed.

In the past actually ninjas using ninjutsu were mostly common people and farmers who had a little fighting experince (which was common for the times)
and instead of dying decided to pick up some farm tools or ordinary house hold items and use them in undefined ways. People have looked back on this
and turned it into more then it actually is. Not to say you won't learn something valuable from taken lesson in ninjutsu but it not you classic MA.

Originally posted by JayFlores
I have a Black belt in Aikido, A 2nd degree in Tae kwon do, a brown belt in Brazilian Ju-Jitsu, I have taken boxing, Muy Thai, Krav Maga and Jeet Kune
do.I have probably been in 300-400 street fights in my life.

LOL!! you must really be a great guy if on average you have been attacked in the street more than once a month for the past 30 years.
Just got one of those faces people want to punch or what? My BS meter just shot off the dial, past 300, then past 400 and then exploded. And it was a
1st degree blackbelt in detecting BS, a brown belt in detecting deception and it was well versed in detcting fabrication, misrepresentation and
delusion.

I have to disagree with everything you posted. Ive been full force kicked and punched in the throat many times in a fight and all I got was a brief
millisecond of discomfort and a sore throat for a few days. And Im no big muscle head either. Im 5'10 175lbs. A knee to the nads works IF you can
land it. A man doesnt have to see a shot to the balls coming. As soon as he feels a brush to his thigh, instinct takes over and you will most likely
miss.And I'm not sure about this (sarcasm) but I dont think anyone is going to stand still while you smash their knee. So unless you are greased
lightning, kick like a mule and can hit that knee at the perfect angle with a reasonable amount of force, thats out of the question as well.
The first problem is too many people let an aggressor walk right up in their face and start talking smack. I dont play that game. As soon as you
start acting aggressive and get within striking distance-fight on.Its called reasonable fear of personal bodily injury and its perfectly legal in most
states. I prefer the shot to the face followed by a fast double leg or single leg take down.Distraction and action as I call it. That way I can choke
them out or break a limb ricky tick and dont have to worry much about getting their herpagonnasyphilitis with HIV complications infested body fluids
all over me.

Deebo, I'm obviously unaware of anything about you but this comment betrays a lack of knowledge regarding Bruce Lee......

I assure you that no UFC fighter, and I will repeat it: NO UFC FIGHTER, would have beaten Bruce Lee.

His speed, reaction time, anticipation, fluidity, imagination, fighting knowledge, skill level, strength and fitness was so superior to any of the UFC
fighters that it would be almost comical to watch.

Right now I train BJJ. I trained Shorin ryu karate as a teenager, and modern army combatives while in the service. You can not have a complete self
defense system without learning to fight on the ground( like wrestling, judo,or BJJ). Lots of real fights end up on the ground. From tripping,
stumbling or getting rocked by a big hit. If I know the mechanics of fighting on the ground and my opponent doesn't, it's most likely going to end
up with me choking them or breaking a limb.

But grappling isn't the end all be all. You still need to have good striking. If you know striking and can bang away, get inside on them, control
when the fight goes to the ground and finish them. It doesn't matter what style you learn.

If your going to train TKD you need to find a good instructor that teaches what it is capable of in a real self defense. Not a Mcdojo training only
the sport aspect. Same with Ninjistu be careful of the instructors. I read last year about a ninjistu teacher in Mississippi. That had faked his
resume and lineage, and was teaching a BS version of it.

Learn as much as you can from as many people as you can. There is no one true way. You need to be well versed in every aspect of fighting. The
only way to do that is train and spar with as many different legit teachers and fighters as possible.

I have to disagree with everything you posted. Ive been full force kicked and punched in the throat many times in a fight and all I got was a brief
millisecond of discomfort

Yeah, I totally know what you mean. I once got shot in the face at point blank range with a grenade launcher and it barely even left a bruise. these
other pussies dont know what they're talking about, I usually have full force kicks to the throat for breakfast and then 400 street fights for lunch.
You crack me up Jay, are you sure you're real names not Jay Norris?

Interesting. I need to get me one of those B.S. meters to go with my fat, keyboard warrior detector that is shooting off the charts right now. And
the answer is , I used to look for fights when I was younger. Nothing to fight before and after school, pick a bar fight get thrown out go to the next
bar and pick another one. And After that, my reputation followed me and being a little guy people would want to see what the deal was and how
"tough" I was.
As for having a face people want to punch, thats the same thing the doctor told me both times he had to operate on my nose over the years. Is that
you Dr.Kirsmarkie?

Apart from that there is no such thing as the best martial art. They are all good. The only thing that makes a difference is the person that uses it.
I have seen black belts that wouldn't stand a second in a real fight....there are a lot of them out there. It's because they are giving out those
things like candy these days.

Apart from that, there are fighter-type people and non-fighter-type ones. You will find out pretty fast in a real fight if you are a fighter or not.
If you don't have it in you, no martial art can help you.

Furthermore, every person is different...meaning that someone could be a great Boxer but would never be good a Karate. So you have to find what suits
you best.

Rugby... You'll be taught to eye-gouge, bite, squeeze testicles, stamp on people, wrestle and rip arms out their socket, break ankles, grab someones
shirt to control movement while teeing off with your good hand. All the good stuff that'd serve you well in a street fight

Originally posted by JayFlores
pick a bar fight get thrown out go to the next bar and pick another one. And After that, my reputation followed me and being a little guy people would
want to see what the deal was

The question is- whos doing the punching and kicking? Ive seen huge guys that hit like my 3 yr old daughter and I had a 5 foot nothing 130 pound kid
break my orbital and lay me out cold with one punch.Unlike most of the people on this forum- I like to fight and test my theories.To me fighting is
one of the top rushes out there.I'll fight anybody, anywhere just to see if Im better than they are.Sometimes I am,Sometimes Im not. But I still get
my adrenaline rush, a workout and have some fun. So if youre ever in the Orlando area look me up.Thats my REAL name by the way

The correct term is little man disease. And I just like to fight, whats wrong with that? Do I think I'm a tough guy? No. I still win more than I
loose. But its about the fight, not a reputation. I enjoy the rush and thats just my thing. Kinda like you may enjoy knitting,for example.

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