How Will The Economy Improve In 2014 If Almost Everyone Has Less Money To Spend?

Is the U.S. consumer tapped out? If so, how in the world will the U.S. economy possibly improve in 2014? Most Americans know that the U.S. economy is heavily dependent on consumer spending. If average Americans are not out there spending money, the economy tends not to do very well. Unfortunately, retail sales during the holiday season appear to be quite disappointing and the middle class continues to deeply struggle. And for a whole bunch of reasons things are likely going to be even tougher in 2014. Families are going to have less money in their pockets to spend thanks to much higher health insurance premiums under Obamacare, a wide variety of tax increases, higher interest rates on debt, and cuts in government welfare programs. The short-lived bubble of false prosperity that we have been enjoying for the last couple of years is rapidly coming to an end, and 2014 certainly promises to be a very “interesting year”.

Obamacare Rate Shock

Most middle class families are just scraping by from month to month these days.

Unfortunately for them, millions of those families are now being hit with massive health insurance rate increases.

In a previous article, I discussed how one study found that health insurance premiums for men are going to go up by an average of 99 percent under Obamacare and health insurance premiums for women are going to go up by an average of 62 percent under Obamacare.

Most middle class families simply cannot afford that.

Earlier today, I got an email from a reader that was paying $478 a month for health insurance for his family but has now received a letter informing him that his rate is going up to $1,150 a month.

Millions of families are receiving letters just like that. And to say that these rate increases are a “surprise” to most people would be a massive understatement. Even people that work in the financial industry are shocked at how high these premiums are turning out to be…

“The real big surprise was how much out-of-pocket would be required for our family,” said David Winebrenner, 46, a financial adviser in Lebanon, Ky., whose deductible topped $12,000 for a family of six for a silver plan he was considering. The monthly premium: $1,400.

Since Americans are going to have to pay much more for health insurance, that is going to remove a huge amount of discretionary spending from the economy, and that will not be good news for retailers.

Get Ready For Higher Taxes

When you raise taxes, you reduce the amount of money that people have in their pockets to spend.

Sadly, that is exactly what is happening.

Congress is allowing a whopping 55 tax breaks to expire at the end of this year, and when you add that to the 13 major tax increases that hit American families in 2013, it isn’t a pretty picture.

This tax season, millions of families are going to find out that they have much higher tax bills than they had anticipated.

And all of this comes at a time when incomes in America have beensteadily declining. In fact, real median household income has declined by a total of 8 percent since 2008.

If you are a worker, you might want to check out the chart that I have posted below to see where you stack up. In America today, most workers are low income workers. These numbers come from a recentHuffington Post article…

-If you make more than $10,000, you earn more than 24.2% of Americans, or 37 million people.

-If you make more than $15,000 (roughly the annual salary of a minimum-wage employee working 40 hours per week), you earn more than 32.2% of Americans.

-If you make more than $30,000, you earn more than 53.2% of Americans.

-If you make more than $50,000, you earn more than 73.4% of Americans.

-If you make more than $100,000, you earn more than 92.6% of Americans.

-You are officially in the top 1% of American wage earners if you earn more than $250,000.

-The 894 people that earn more than $20 millionmake more than 99.99989% of Americans, and are compensated a cumulative $37,009,979,568 per year.

It is important to keep in mind that those numbers are for the employment income of individuals not households. Most households have more than one member working, so overall household incomes are significantly higher than these numbers.

Higher Interest Rates Mean Larger Debt Payments

On Tuesday, the yield on 10 year U.S. Treasuries rose to 3.03 percent. I warned that this would happen once the taper started, and this is just the beginning. Interest rates are likely to steadily rise throughout 2014.

The reason why the yield on 10 year U.S. Treasuries is such a critical number is because mortgage rates and thousands of other interest rates throughout our economy are heavily influenced by that number.

So big changes are on the way. As a recent CNBC article declared, the era of low mortgage rates is officially over…

The days of the 3.5% 30-year fixed are over. Rates are already up well over a full percentage point from a year ago, and as the Federal Reserve begins its much anticipated exit from the bond-buying business, I believe rates will inevitably go higher.

And U.S. consumers can expect interest rates on all kinds of loans to start rising. That is going to mean higher debt payments, and therefore less money for consumers to spend into the economy.

Government Benefit Cuts

Well, if the middle class is going to have less money to spend, perhaps other Americans can pick up the slack.

Or maybe not.

You certainly can’t expect the poor to stimulate the economy. As I mentioned yesterday, it is being projected that up to 5 million unemployed Americans could lose their unemployment benefits by the end of 2014, and 47 million Americans recently had their food stamp benefits reduced.

So the poor will also have less money to spend in 2014.

The Wealthy Save The Day?

Perhaps the stock market will continue to soar in 2014 and the wealthy will spend so much that it will make up for all the rest of us.

The medianprice-to-earnings ratio on the S&P 500 has reached an all-time record high, and margin debt at the New York Stock Exchange has reached a level that we have never seen before. In other words, stocks are massively overpriced and people have been borrowing huge amounts of money to buy stocks. These are behaviors that we also saw just before the last two stock market bubbles burst.

If the stock market bubble does burst, the wealthy will also have less money to spend into the economy in 2014.

For the moment, the stock market has been rallying. This is typical for the month of December. You see, the truth is that investors generally don’t want to sell stocks in December because they want to put off paying taxes on the profits.

If stocks are sold before the end of the year, the profits go on the 2013 tax return.

If stocks are sold a few days from now, the profits go on the 2014 tax return.

It is only human nature to want to delay pain for as long as possible.

Expect to see some selling in January. Many investors are very eager to start taking profits, but they wanted to wait until the holidays were over to do so.

So what do you think is coming up in 2014? Please feel free to share what you think by posting a comment below…

Michael T. Snyder is a graduate of the University of Florida law school and he worked as an attorney in the heart of Washington D.C. for a number of years. Today, Michael is best known for his work as the publisher of The Economic Collapse Blog and The American Dream. If you want to know what things in America are going to look like in a few years read his new book The Beginning of the End.

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How much of this is money that is coming from the government that is not counted in people having less money? Benefits that come in form of non money such as getting food from food pantries all are not counted in this as income. I don’t know if getting reductions in ultities bills counts as income tallied in this either. The simply fact is that paychecks are lower and/or work hours are less for too many people. So many companies to avoid the health care costs have lots of part time workers that they can keep working without benefits.

I have said this before, but I would like to somehow know the average number of hours people are actually working. Is it 30 hours, 20 hours? What I would like to see is the total people that are able to work divided into the total number of hours worked. Totally in the people that are also out of work. This would give you the TRUE number of hours that the entire country is working on the average. These skews numbers that the government uses ONLY shows a propaganda generated favorable number for the government.

I would say IF there had not been such manipulation with the stock market through the government’s plunge protection team, and IF TRUE unemployement was under 10% then I would say that there might be a chance for some recover. This is not the case. People are in pain and very fearful. They keep some prices at the store the same but reduce the amount of goods you are hetting. This is inflation because the price per certain unit is going up.

This type of deception is rampant as the above article states. The government’s biggest problem is the money owed. Anytime you owe money you also owe interest. That interest is compounded which means that everytime a new month comes along the principle grows that owed, but so does the interest on the interest. The law of 70 is simple. You have a loan at 7%, the amount owed without paying anything on it doubles in 10 years. That word doubles. E to the X is only slightly more than doubling at 2.72. Unless the debt is stopped, it will hit near vertical acceleration and super hyperinflation will occur. This is not some psychic prediction, this is raw simple mathematics of numbers.

Without a deadly tax hike or massive tax cuts, the debt will continue to spiral upward like a missile until it reaches a critcal ceiling and explodes. This is not prophetic, this is numbers at work. Math is one of the coldest and most logic of explaning and understanding problems and solutions, and as long as you have the correct numbers to plug in, it is one of the most accurate.

My point is how does someone in the bottom 50% debate with someone on the top 10% or 1%. By the chart above. Remember prepper are not only in the bottom 30 or 50%. Andto be honest iI don’t know any survivalists that went at least in the top 10% (100’000 +/-) that actually could supply themes selves for a full blown SHTF
I know some true woodman that could. But they have been living that way forever or live like dirt.

100,000 is not a lot of money anymore. I don’t feel any richer than when I was making less than five grand a year in the military in the early seventies. Everything is so freaking expensive now that it just eats the bucks. I used to have a utility bill for water and power that ran about thirty bucks a month. It is now over four hundred for the same usage. Just go from there. Unless you are pulling down two hundred grand and have no debt you are just an average schmuck. The coming Obamacare costs and all the increased taxes are going to really make life hard for millions of people. I really feel for anyone just starting out especially if they have any kids.

The Debt Clock gives the number of people actually working and not working, but not the average hours being worked, that may be a hard number to actually come by. It may be safe to presume 36 hours, since many buisnesses can only employ part-time employees.

With all that is coming, one thing is certain: It would be well-advised to consider getting right with whatever Spiritual values you may hold.

America is being crashed on purpose, from within. It is largely because Whites have been lulled into ignorant complacency, and cowardice.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy–to be followed by a dictatorship.” – Alexander Tytler

“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” – Alexander Tytler

Just a thought here.
I am not so sure that the economy is being crashed on purpose, it seems more to me that it is GREED. Greed that is bigger than just the bankers, the politicians, the wall streeters etc etc. It is the person who cheats EBT, the person who says I better get what I can from whomever it is while the getting is good, before someone else gets it. It is as simple as the person who hangs a handicapped tag on their mirror and a car full of able bodied folks get out to go shopping. It never ceases to amaze me how many folks should say ” I am just here to apply for a pay check, I don’t really want to work , I just want a paycheck! ”
I know there are those who have real needs and I am grateful that there are ways for those needs to be met.
THERE ARE NO FREE LUNCHES FOLKS…. Somebody somewhere is paying, working or doing something to make those things happen.

#1. EBT users seen using their cards will be attacked in parking lots, their free food taken, by people tired of supporting them, who are now out of work.

#2. Third world people will be attacked when seen speaking some third world lingua franca.

#3. Pink mist disease becomes one of the most feared political career enders in the world.

#4. Section 8 housing dwellers will decide to return to the ghetto as working class neighborhoods will become unsafe for them and the land lords who bring them into formerly working class neighbor hoods.

#5. Along the US southern border illegals will be taken out by Americans, IED’s will be found along popular illegal entry points.

#6. Knock Out gamers will be getting shot so often that the congress will attempt to institute gun grabs on a never before seen basis. They fail miserably.

#7. It will be determined that major American corporations have had a policy of deliberately not hiring Americans, prefering instead to hire third world immigrants.

#8. Welfare and EBT offices will become some of the most dangerous places on the planet,as working class people cannot continue to support worthless genetically inferior welfare moochers who dont want to work.

#9.It will be revealed that ICE does not deport illegal aliens who commit misdemeanors. The head of ICE resigns when this is brought to the public.

#10. Austerity measures will be implemented in America, causing ghetto riots that require drones to supress.

#11. The IMF’s plan to tax Americans 10% of their wealth to give said wealth to third world nations, will historically be considered to be the straw that broke the camels back and asone of the major causes of revolution in America.

@SlickOne…You are right on the money regarding the sickening financial, economic, and social damage that has evolved in this country due to the virtual legions of US born deadbeats and 3rd world non-English speaking immigrant trash that have looted Medicaid, Medicare, Section 8, SS, and SSI to the extended that these entities now have unfunded liabilities of $217 trillion (THAT’S TRILLIONS) which can never be paid due to the off-shoring of the US industrial base by Bill Clinton the congressional D-RATS who use immigrant garbage as an expanded and illegal voter base.

I would LOVE to see THOSE events take place. But; it will never happen. Way too many so called Americans are Stupified; Lazy; Self Absorbed; and Complacent. The MASSES will only REACT; when ANY situation affects them personally. And by then; its too late.

@ The Lone Ranger. This is the most ridiculous bunch on nonense on the internet right now. To create a 300 foot wave on the East Coast 3500 miles away you would need 24000 cubic KM of mass travelling at 11 miles per second. In other words a small moon size asteroid hitting deep water of 10000 feet or so. A moon about 18 miles wide. The Canary Islands would only produce 500 cubic km of mass travelling at 220 mph maximum. If this happened it would produce a tsunami of about 11 inches on the Atlantic coastline.

The Atlantic Ocean has 29,637,962 sq miles of area at a average depth of 11,810 ft. This is 169,708,745 cubic km of volume as compared to 500 cubic km of mass collapsing into the ocean. This is a 339,417 to 1 ratio. To put this into visualization. It is like filling up an average bathtub to near the top and asking something the size of a large pea, or a buckshot size 4 to move this volume of water much at all. 220 mph is slow. In comparison the Canary Islands chain collapsing would be equal to a 255 meter wide asteroid impacting the ocean at 38000 mph. Big splash at the impact site, little ripple across the ocean.

People that have been taken in by this pure garbage, don’t plug in numbers and see the shear absurdity of this. People lack the understanding of space and volume. I too was taken in first by the BBC program on this until I started to say to myself that this is just not right.

The Indonesian earthquake that was over 600 miles long miles deep and many miles wide caused ONLY a 12 foot tsunami on the coast of Madagascar 3500 miles away. This earthquake would have the energy of tens or hundreds of times any Canary Islands collapse. Yet this mental sewage that is floating around would have poor people believe that the Canary Islands would produce a tsunami 25 times as high as the 9.1 mega quake.

Rather than give a link that has to go through moderation, look up “La Palma tsunami myth” on Google or Yahoo, or go back to Comment# 2891251 on the DHS Insider article 3 days ago as I have links here you can go to, and read all about what a bunch of pure horseshit this is by true tsunmai experts from the University of Delft In the Netherlands how the mass of the ocean rapidly decays any such collapse over distance. The people around the Canary Islands would be in very deep trouble. But even on the coast of west African the tsunami would not reach over 12 feet at 250 miles away. The longer the distance the smaller the wave.

This is sick manure that still is floating around the internet like turds that won’t flush. Even the dinosaur killer asteroid that hit the Yucatan Peninsula did not produce a 300 foot wave at 3500 miles away. To produce a 300 foot wave at 3500 miles away in at least 10000 foot deep water it would require 650 million mega tons of energy. That is 650 million one mega ton hydrogen bombs. See what utter pure sunbaked pig shit this is.

@ islander. IF the sky is falling then let’s get it correct. When some blockhead uses a false story over and over again that has absolutely no merit behind, this takes the creditablity away from articles and people that post the real truth. I was looking at one of those trash tabloid toilet paper newspapers that sell for twich the cost of a regular newspaper. In one of these stories was that Hitler was alive and well and 124 years old living in South America. They took a picture of Hitler and made it look like some fossil that would be that old. This story had more realism than the Canary Islands collapsing and creating a 300 foot tsunami on the entire Atlantic seaboard.

Science and math PROVES much, and shows when someone is telling something that is factual and something that is either a misunderstanding or something that is fear porn at its worst. Yes, people absolutely need to fear tsunamis on the Atlantic coast, not from the Canary Islands, but from the massive fault in the Caribbean plate that is much overdue to break. It is almost as big as the Japanese fault that created to 9.0. In the Indian Ocean there were no tsunami warning stations and look at what happened because people didn’t think a massive tsunami could happen there.

You bet I will get factual with everyone on this because NO ONE has to waste their time worrying about this myth, this pure dribble of horse manure. Facts need to point to what hazards we do need to worry about so we can plan accordingly. If you want to be scared of fiction, watch some of these horror movies because they have more validity to them than the Canary Islands myth that goes against physical laws of science that govern our lives and the world and universe all around us.

Have a happy new year everyone. Working hard here and taking advantage of days off. Hope everyone has had a nice week but its time to go into overdrive.
I aint in the 1% but I dont like most of them types anyway.
Id like to see a chart on what people take so I can compare it to what people make. We know the takers get more than half of the makers so Id like to know where I fit in. I aint no taker but Id like to know what Id get so itll keep the fire lit under my own ass. Maybe someone has a chart on honesty and principles too. its time we start measuring success by values and not dollars. With our govt too many free dollars given away and its destroyed our way of life. Guess the govt wont make up a chart like that since itd prove their help only hurt.

As the saying goes: “you ain’t taking it with you” and knowing that the criminal banksters are running our country in the ground. The last thing I want to do is bust my ass and be a part of a bail in. So this year I have reduced my business expenses by 13K and since i’m self employed i’m working part time.

You see US Govt. You fuck the American people over with taxes and Obamacare along with the banksters raping us then you add the presstitutes lying for you.

So that’s why I decided to give you the middle finger and not participate in your central planning which is ruining this country.

Good planning Rodster. I am also self employed and thinking of doing exactly the same. Cut accounts by 50% work part time and spend more time around the house. The garden space is being tripled this year, gonna expand on the chickens and start rabbits this year too. a few other gears are going in my head also, but I don’t have the full plan worked out yet.
“You aint taking it with you”
Over the course of 2013 I have come to a realization.
No one is getting out of here alive.
Once you accept that, everything becomes MUCH easier.

Okay after a delay in the accuracy of the earthquake predictions, it is back again. Just like stated in Comments #2885314 and #2892662 they just had a major earthquake in Vanuatu of 6.7. The Australian plate is still ready for more, this is just the first. Given was the location between the Loyalty Islands and Soloman Islands is Vanautu and this was correct. The magnitude however was low in regards to what was predicted of a 7.

To tell the truth I was getting quite worried that this system has some big flaws in it because there was not a major earthquake by Dec. 19. This was the 5th time the time frame didn’t live up to what it should have. The earthquake did hit exactly where it should have, the northeastern Austalian plate as much tension was being directed from this area to these precursor plate boundaries. This is no way just that one quake. Today on the west Chile rise at the exact spot On Dec. 12, 2004 this was hit and 2 weeks later the 9.1 hit. So much of what happened before large earthquakes is happening again.

As more precursors hit I will be bale to further narrow down the locations for danger. Otherwise still regard the locations on Comment #2892662 On the Going Under, Over One million….. Article on 12/30/13 at 9:11 AM as still hot and dangerous.

We have seen the effects of the first wave of Obamacare…”Millions of families have been hit with massive health insurance rate increases.”

A second wave of 50 million to 100 million health insurance policy cancellations is coming this fall.

“The next round of cancellations and premium hikes is expected to hit employees, particularly of small businesses.

While the administration has tried to downplay the cancellation notices hitting policyholders on the individual market by noting they represent a relatively small fraction of the population, the swath of people who will be affected by the shakeup in employer-sponsored coverage will be much broader.”

“The real big surprise was how much out-of-pocket would be required for our family,” said David Winebrenner, 46, a financial adviser in Lebanon, Ky., whose deductible topped $12,000 for a family of six for a silver plan he was considering. The monthly premium: $1,400.

CLEARLY a policy that costs 1,400/mo and has a 12k deductible is no policy at all. That family above will pay $16,800 + $12,000 before the first dime of insurance kicks in…..nearly 29,000 bucks.

So, clearly they probably WON’T pay it. They will pay the tax penalty for many years before it comes anywhere close to that 29k figure, and pay for whatever health care they can out of pocket.

AND THAT is what the Feds want. More taxes for a while, and don’t give a flip if you have health insurance or not.

Then in a couple years, they’ll roll out the bankrupt uninsured folks and say “well, we offered them ‘free market’ health insurance and not enough people took it….so NOW we’ve got to go to NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE single payer system”……which was the plan all along.

Anyone in medical school right now ought to quit tomorrow, and become a plumber.

So the supreme court..how quaint..determined ob care is legit..
So now the “stasi” enforces everyone to buy this scam..and if you don’t ..you pay the mob a “fine’?for not enrolling in their ponzi scam?

WTF?

Even the wise guys in the old days never envisioned nor implemented this type of scam..and I know 1st hand.

As they told me years ago..

the only difference between organized crime and govt(one in the same)?

Of course this was all about single payer. Except Progressives and Central Planners can’t see the trees from the forest. It’s a;; about expanding their control.

The problem is that the entire financial system world wide is on the brink of collapse. So you have a criminal gang running Washington who are to arrogant to think the US could NEVER collapse.

That’s exactly what will happen so I doubt we will ever get to a single payer system. Obamacare has siphoned so much money out of the economy and it’s pathetic that the presstitutes can warn the American public. Instead they are will accomplices to the Federal Govt.

That plan seems to be the norm now. My family’s health insurance costs me $175 per week or $9100 a year, and has a $4000 per person, $12,000 total deductible. So I could be out $21,000 per year, which is 2/3 of my total yearly take-home pay! That doesn’t even include co-pays and anything else the insurance company decides they don’t want to cover. Just effin’ fantastic!

Michael Synder: Thanks for the article. I always enjoy your perspective because it is always very well documented.

Still I think the economy will surprise most people here; at least its performance during the first six months of the year, and things will be much like they are today unless there is a sharp market break.

A consensus of experts believe that the market will decline. Some of those think a sharp major break will occur, and others a long term slide. A few even believe a much higher Dow.

Remember when some fool predicted a 20,000 Dow when the market was at 1100? He doesn’t look quite so crazy now, does he? The Wall Street Gang by Richard Nye explained this phenomena 30 years ago.

Revised data for the third quarter of last year was revised upwards to 4.1% growth, so that part of the economy that is working appears to be exceeding expectations.

The fate of consumer sales for the holiday season is the tale of the tape to be reckoned with, and that data won’t be available until February. Then WE will know with some clarity the direction of things for the year, unless the markets break before then.

The uncertainty in most consumers mind and the reason holiday sales may slow while consumer confidence is strong, is, I suspect, the effect of O’Bummer Care on their wallet and their heath insurance costs as you point out.

If there is a “canary in the coal mine”, O’bummer Care is it. Increased medical insurance costs however, represents increased consumer spending and will be reflected in a higher GDP the same as if the money had been spent on a new X-box.

War is coming soon. War creates chaos and chaos generates unintended consequences, and more money printing that will actually enter the economy and spark it. Unfortunately my Magic Eight Ball subscription expires on July 1st, 2014 so I have no idea beyond that.

Hunter: Freedom is the future of America as it is for the entire world, through Christ Jesus. Life must breathe free.

Human beings must be allowed to make individual choices to fulfill their spiritual nature. This is why every totalitarian regime has found its way to the ash heap of history in spite of all the odds. The list is as long as the Earth to the Moon.

Germany survived the 1000 year Reich of Adolf Hitler. Russia survived Joseph Stalin. China survived Mao. America will survive the New World Order as surely as day follows night.

They also require collective action. Organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote. Amplify your voice in a group. Magnify your personal power in an organization. Create a Freedom Cell where you live, if it is just a Freedom Cell of One. All politics are local. Engage your local authority. They work for US.

Dk, The stock market is likely going to go much higher. This is not because of a strong economy at all. The chance of war happening is getting slimmer in my opinion, It will be a civil war americans will have to worry about most. There is and will be wars all over the world all the time, but the big world war is becoming a more remote possibility daily.

Eeder: The market going higher is a real possibility and the higher it goes above the new high’s, the more likely I expect a sharp break when investors finally recognize that the party is over and that corporate earnings do not support higher stock prices.

A sharp break always precipitates a major recession; which in this case would represent the second leg down in a Depression under the K Wave Theory: which I predicted last summer. Holiday data will be key to the timing and that data is not available yet, so predicting the death of the consumer may be premature.

A lot of new money may flow into the markets from other sources as I mentioned in another post to keep the markets elevated as you expect, for a bit longer, too.

War is coming to the Middle East. Israel will not allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons and if acquired, Israel will not allow Iran to keep them for long. How it all plays out is yet to be determined, because the O’Bummer Administration has wisely declined Israel’s invitation to First Strike Iran.

Undoubtedly the NWO would try to use war as an opportunity to extend their treason.

American Civil War is a longs ways off. It will come eventually. And this delay gives the American people an opportunity to collect themselves and effect the direction of American leadership once more.

The Republic is OURS to keep if WE are determined to secure OUR personal liberties. Rand Paul is probably the best choice from the current field. After all, he is his daddy’s son, but he has some ideas of his own.

The NWO program is the boiling frog approach to enslavement and I expect the NWO to back off a bit to try and consolidate their gains and temper the patriotic fever that is spreading across all strata of society, including the Tech industry.

americans will ALWAYS do the right thing, but ONLY after exhausting ALL OTHER POSSIBILITIES! i believe it was margaret thatcher who said it and it SURE does ring truer than EVER today!i think the market falls to HALF of current value soon… of course the market eventually goes higher, but it’s INFLATION that’s the root cause. everything COSTS more when you devalue a currency by printing more of it unfettered. but does a HIGHER stock market mean we are better off? of course not! and @DK…we had a chance to elect ron paul, but we didn’t take it…we let TPTB steal that one from US. rand doesn’t have any more chance than ron did until the population is cold and hungry. and with the EBT welfare state it will keep churning along until the world finally realizes we aint paying back the money we owe, because we CAN’T pay it back…unless it’s inflated dollars. i believe that time is imminent. the pitchforks will come out SOON. obamascare GUARANTEES IT! the tax breaks that expired in jan 2013 cost americans 50 to hundreds of dollars a paycheck, and it hurt the economy in a big way. obamascare will cost MUCH MUCH more! it WILL be the tipping point for america(ns). there’s gonna be a revolution unless they repeal, or at LEAST MASSIVELY change obamascare!

i was just sitting on the porch today watching the rain and conteplating the new year ,i also want to spend less time on chasing the elusive dollar and focus on getting my life simple ,shed off all the monkeys on my back ,dont allow myself to think about obama care ,because im not buying it so why should i even think about it ,try not to get ensnared by people that are’nt like minded ,im done i dont want to have pissing contest with them ,i dont care how they feel about preppers ,how everything is rainbows and unicorns ,why should i even allow them to rent space in my brain,i know whats going on ,and im taking the measures to be ready so who gives a shit about there opinions ,we all fall into the trap of being drawn into a argument of why there right and we’re wrong ,and how they can prove it to us ,well ,thats my plan try and stay clear of them and not be baited in ,i can far better spend that time working on my garden ,and my new chicken coup ,or playing with old beat up model A truck

i didnt say i could do it only that im going to try ,you are correct because it is in yuor face on a constent,i was just kinda wishin that obutma might not try and bend us over this year ,but thats just a dream because i just recieved my jar of vasoline in the mail from the guverment,so im sure this year will be more of the same

You got it right Outlaw. Cant tax our own labor and thats why I keep working at it all around our place. This deep freeze put a few plans on hold but theres always work we can do inside in the meantime.

This is a very serious issue should it go ballistic.
I have looked at the rad counts and they are low. I wanted to see if there was a second set of same numbers. None found.
The Problem is that you can’t trust the god damn fucking government for anything. Bunch of liars and bullshit artists.
We have discussed this problem before. If this is a real alert, watch the jet stream and weather patterns

I am just shy of the 1% bitches! How did I get there…
Tomorrow morning my alarm goes off at 5 am…as it does every day of my life, 7 days a week. Then I hit the books and master my software. Zero TV and complete focus on the job and the task at hand. When others say “It cannot be done” …I stay up days and night and make it happen. The more things change the more they will remain the same.
It’s the law of the jungle. Only the strong survive. And I’m hiding all my wealth in precious metals from the socialist and Commies…so you will never find or tax them.

I did my my annual food bank donation and help some local homeless.
So spare me any thumbs down.

WORK YOUR FUCKING ASS OFF….THAT’S WHAT FATHERS AND AMERICAN MEN DO!!!!

If you’re unemployed…then it’s your own fault.

I’ve got many backup plans if things ever went bad.
But…it’s best to have a few pallets of supplies…then I’d just roll over and go back to bed with a nice safe of metals and a real mean dog that sleeps next to it.

Ha….where’s the best place to put your metals… a floor safe and put the dog bed on top of it.

Frankly….I’m enjoying this collapse. The worse things get..the more work I have.
Embrace the collapse and look for ways to solve problems….work always finds me.

Speak to few and keep your head down at your desk and be known for being a quiet work horse. Even if shit is going bad…tell them all is well…as time and effort always lets you pull a rabbit out of your ass.

To my lazy family members and fucks I know… serves you right bitches.
You all made fun of me…studying on weekends when you were all out drinking beer.
Enjoy losing your homes.

It’s good when people who cannot sustain their assets lose them.
They all “bought as much house as they could afford”. The real estate people and bankers basically enslaved them. I rent the side of the house and they pay for the roof over my head.

In a time of collapse…..GET THE COLLAPSE MENTALITY…AND YOU WILL DO WELL.

THINGS ARE NOT RIGHT…
Zero factories
A commie in charge selling pie in the sky and health care for all….FREE if you are without.
The Jews are all trying to disarm us. Take heart…more Americans are packing guns now than ever before.
Time will take care of these fucks…they will die off of old age and we’ll enjoy our guns, freedom, liberty, rental real estate, gold and silver.

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REAL MEN…
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Believe in God.
Own Guns and tools.
Own real estate
Have their cars paid for. You buy one solid AMERICAN MADE car and keep it forever…keep fixing it..then pass it on to the kids. Go read the Millionaire next door.
Plan for their children
Awake daily at 5 am and fight the fight for the family.
Own Silver and Gold… GOD’S MONEY!
Stand up to bullies and don’t flinch. I fear no man.

If you are reading this site…most likely I’m preaching to the Choir.

Stop tying to get other prepping. Just live your life….after you’re prepped up….
STOP WORRYING. You earned it.

Time will get Obama out of office and the country will continue their socialist ways until it all collapses. So you’d better plan well for the long winter ahead that will last the rest of our days.

We’re behind the Boomers…the largest age wave in history. They will all turn into socialist and expect a hand out. They cannot take your metals if they cannot find them.

Then…at old age…when the real collapse personally hits you…
You cash in coins just when you have to…then pass the safe to your kids.

When you die an see God… He’ll be sitting on a gold throne… not a paper one printed by the Federal Reserve.

So we had to pay 8.5% in 1995 on the mortg. and the house prices were inflated because of the age wave.

I figure when all the boomers start dying off…I’ll be swimming in their harley’s from the kids ready to sell their shit to pay off their credit cards. Yeah I have a few..but killing the debts fast. Getting ready for the year it all craps out.

Happiness is being debt free…the house paid for…a big garden…a safe full of metal nobody knows about or can find…and a loving woman. The bible and safe in the knowledge that anyone trying to harm me or mine will first have to get by the 100 lbs VERY mean dog. I keep him that way by feeding him like a king by hand. Nobody can get near him but me and the family.

Obama care…. a smooth taking pipe dream…kumbya.
They guy never owned a business or met payroll.
He never had to work three jobs I bet or pull all nighters to finish
some impossible project.
ENJOY….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arnRbwi0jus

I see these MBA types all the time. They all talk a smooth game..
but you give them a box of life “nuts and bolts” and they cannot make sense of it.

I’m packing silver. When things all collapse…that will be the time to buy up some good quality rental property. Quality over quantity. Just one or two good houses.
Then rent it and let them rent pay off the place.

NO…we’re not going to mad max times… maybe in some areas..but it could not last.

1) Get up at 0430 every day.
2) Never watch TV.
3) Give to legitimate charities (check charitynavigator dot com)
4) Cached metals that are almost impossible to find.
5) Great dog; sweet to me, mean to you.
6) Work my ass off (since I was 19; school and work).
7) Get supplies stacked up.
8) Known as workhorse and faithful dog at work.
9) Mortgage is paid off.
10) Believe in God.
11) Farm land half paid off.
12) One American car; almost paid off.
13) Got a waterproof Bible (thanks to Rawles for the link), and a Patriot’s Edition Geneva Bible. I read the Ryrie Study Bible from cover to cover until it fell apart.

P. S.: I’m a boomer and have never taken a handout and never will. My wife’s the same way.

I’d just like you all to read my plan for home invasion. Come to take my guns , or anything? Good luck and say goodbye to your family THAT MORNING BECAUSE YOU AREN’T COMING HOME. Ten of you? Armored personnel carrier? Dead. How?

6 guys break down my front door with their dog. 2 guys on lookout. 1 stupid guy in the armored personnel carrier in my front yard.(50 cal. with his head sticking up)

I believe you are correct! I spent the last few days building shelving units to store our food stock on as well as other preps. So far I have three units loaded and want to get one more and load it with food. The ammo locker is full and I just finished my first polymer lower receiver build. If anyone wants an untraceable (so far) AR receiver look into getting either an Aluminum or Polymer 80% lower and finishing it yourself. The polymer lower can be finished using only a Dremel tool and a drill. No FFL required! Get em while you still can before the Muslim Communist in our W.H. deems them illegal.
Lock and Load folks! It’s gonna get rough this year!

Here it has some good points. The main points on this article are deceptive.
1.Obamacare is the problem? False. 50% to 70% of folk in the USA have junk health insurance. If something really serious happens, you might not be covered. With Obamacare, at least they can’t push you out for pre-existing conditions. This big booga is the biggest booga, they bring up everything as pre-existing conditions to get out of paying for anything.

2. Yes that is right, many americans will get a health care shock, that is because they never had it before. They just had junk before. Many of the healthy young folk did not even have it. If you do not have health, you have nothing. The rest of the developed countries have universal health coverage.

3. The next B.S i really noticed is that folk are borrowing to push and over price the stock market. The key problem here is that we have fund managers who are criminal. The 401ks were worth 5.2T in 2008 and now they are worth 4T something. The problem unresolved is that the fund managers ( executives) are in bed with the ( executives) in the corporations. They commit fraud, theft and aiding/abetting other criminality. We do not have clear lines of responsibility in the actions of these actors in the economy.

Obama failed to understand this problem. Let’s hope the next President goes into the detail and work out clear lines of responsibility with fund managers ( executives) and make them liable and to be liable for criminal prosecution for there criminality.

For 2012, I made $45,000 so according to the chart I made more money than 53.2% of other Americans. My extra money still goes into preps; all the things I’ve mentioned before which help guarantee my survival. peace of mind is the dividend I get from the investment. I bought the same things for Christmas for myself instead of any useless electronic items. My prepping is still ongoing and I hope everyone else’s is as well. braveheart

Seems to me their just gona cut the middle man out of the pitcher to much work for them. just Direct deposit your income to TPTB. I wish they would talk about the RFID chip, that might wake some sheep up. keep canning people..

Paranoid. Now why in the world would you be leaving Casper in the middle of January? With beautiful clear blue skies and the warm gentle breezes blowing off of Casper Mountain. But we’ll try and hold things down while your suffering in Panama. Holding things down in Wyoming is not an easy chore. Trekker Out.

Material possessions can’t guarantee your survival, only improve the odds. Fully prepped people will die due to dumb luck as will totally clueless people survive due only to dumb luck.
That said, I am investing in goods to increase my chances of survival should dumb luck spare me death.

Happy New Year everyone! This year we are going to work more on our skills since we know feel more secure supplywise. Hoping we have enough time to raise more money for more deep cell batteries and solar panels. Who knows with the way tptb are messing crap up. Hope everyone here had a merry Christmas!

I suggest you make your OWN decisions and save items for barter that you think would be in demand by others in YOUR area. If you live in a predominantly Mormon area, then coffee and tea probably won’t be in high demand.

You seem to have an incessant need to CRITIQUE every comment I make. What is your problem?

I share information that I believe others here might find useful. If you don’t like it…just MOVE ON.

i figure who ever does not have these items already are probably living in a van down by the river or a tent under a bridge or maybe a full sized sleeping bag near a 55 gal. drum somewhere. Lets not forget the homeless that can,t afford these luxuries and have not the room for any of that junk anyways.

Tredle sewing machine!
I found a kit to convert machines to tredle,
Have a sailrite LZ and made a tredle stand with hardware from Cottage Craftworks,,, is a heavy duty machine that can sew canvas or light stuff either plugged in or with the tredle,,

They have a real nice one for finer garment work,,, thats going to be a huge huge benefit to be able to pattern and sew clothes, not much made in the USA,,, all sorts of things can happen that will make clothing unattainable for regular folks like You nd I !
My machine is a little more for heavy stuff, but have sewn up all sorts of stuff, repair my Levis, shirts, make bags and scabbards, and tarps or covers,,, just one more thing that makes me feel independent, wont be entering Project Runway but my business doesnt hang out the crotch of my Jeans!

My Christmas present to myself this year, was an ample supply of pool shock and some more potassium iodide tabs. My birthday present to myself will be some more powdered butter and cheese, and some more storable chocolate.

KY Mom,
I might add to #8, Benadryl and caffeine pills. Selco says more specifically, about the fire-making supplies, to get a few hundred Bic lighters, and on the knives, get 10+ of cheap Swiss Army knives and “multi-tools”, a la Leatherman.
Also, he says o get 30 cheap head lamps.
Thanks for the list.

HUNTER: That final sentence of yours, Hope more folks awaken etc…Its already begun. I was at some Pro Whitey website two days ago reading all types articles from all over the worlds news sources. Man you should see how many commenter persons from serbs, belgians, UK, Germans, france, Grease and several more nations. And every single commenter was WIDE awake to them “Creatins/Barbarians/Khazars” and the varried methods being used to destroy mainly the White folks worldwide.

Sometimes we here in the usa are caught up in all the bad stuff going on here, and we do not realize it is occureing worldwide same as here, and its due to that same tribal cretins agendas to destroy gentiles.

But after reading so many comments from so many other nations folks it warms the heart to know they too are awake and working to awaken more folks daily.

One org that has really taken off like gang busters across europe is Golden Dawn…I seen that usa msm has bashed that org by calling them every vile name we hear often. But as John Q says “Its lost its Mojo”…And the very fact that so many euro nations now has a fast growing presence of more and more golden dawn activists, proves that in spades. Not yet sure what all golden dawn stands for or is promoting? But I do know its Pro white folks big time! So thats a good start at least eh. No other orgs exist that represent whites. The more bad stuff usa tv new says of that org, the better their org really is most likely eh.

Seems now the more msm and tribal orgs like splc or adl whine or name call, it only serves to Grow Patriot groups faster!….Whiteys around the globe are getting fed up and sick and tired of being blamed and called racists etc.

Just Remember when you hear any tv msm, major newspapers, big hollywood liberals, and adl or splc type orgs cry or whine that golden dawn or any Other patriot white groups this or that etc….Remember to ALWAYS ask self “Now just what is the EXAXCT Opposite of what that newspapers or msm tv news is stateing”?…Cause Thats the Real truth usually!….And we know in advance that anybody who starts up any pro white org is going to be “David-Duked” to the inth degree…Do Not Fall for that spin.

I did a small experiment on a few people I Know where well aware of what every MSM tv news has said of and names they call david duke for the past 40 yrs…

I copied an exallant fact filled, truthfull, footnoted, well sourced, article by David Duke….BUT I Left his name Off of the article, and handed it to them several folks to read…Then I asked “So what ya think? Good artilce? factual? Makes lots of sense? Do You agree with in fully?”

EVERY single person agreed 100% fully…Most also said it was very well written and was very obvious that whoever wrote it has done much homework, and they were amazed at the writers Frankness and UN-PC writeing..

And every single person was floored, and had mouths agape and eyes wide bugged out when I said..”That fine truthfull article was written by…David Duke!”

They all began to stammer “but but gee aint he that guy who tv news calls etc etc etc?…Yep same guy.

Only difference was for Once those folks finally READ an article duke actually wrote instead of relying on tv show news or some lib hollywood overstuffed buffoon movie stars advice as to what to think of duke.

Soon they are going to have to admit if not to others at least to their selves whats really going on and BY whom!

Next time I do such a test, I am going to get a camara to take photos of the moment after I tell them who wrote it so to capture their shocked mouth agape, eyes big bugging out of sockets look!…Priceless!

Across the entire Globe…Whiteys waking Up! and Ain’t gonna be taking it much longer…And nobody then will be able to say that them what so pissed off the whiteys, didn’t really have it comming! OyVey! Ah so! Chop Chop! Bingo! and from our detroit folk “Oga Bogga BOO!”

Good to see you back here DPS. Hope all is well down in TX.
Hope your year has gone well for you and you are still getting out and living.
Me and a buddy are heading west to do some winter altitude camping and testing different gear.

Its good to see you too, its been a so so yr. Kinda bumed I didn’t get to go elk hunting this yr but I will not miss next yr. And Tx is cold right now but the new wood burner I installed is kicking ass. I’ll sure be glad to finish up my used new computer, typing on this phone sucks brother. Have fun on your trip and I look forword to haer about the new gear.

DPS: It will be an interesting thing to do. I have expensive gear but really want to try out some stuff that is more affordable for ordinary people.
Will also be a good chance to get out in the wilderness with snowshoes and packs.
The first is a weekend for testing followed by a week long trip.
I am looking forward to both of them.

Its not new gear. It is all surplus gear. I want to see if I can buy stuff and have relative comfort below zero on a budget.
will bring my other gear in case of failure for some reason but should perform admirably i expect. Would also like to test packs at a later date but will do that in the summer.
also trips like these are good to brush up on skills.

All my camping gear is way too old. I still use gear that i got 30 yrs ago but I take good care of it all. I still use a tent that i got from monkey wards LOL. That and the old coleman stove i picked up of craigs list.

Considering that the NSA is intercepting all new laptops and iphones to install spy devices in them before they get to the customer (via USPS OR UPS), I’ll be only getting used stuff, transferred hand-to-hand only…Can’t afford the new stuff anyway.

What i found out is its cheaper to buy a new computer then fix a older one. But like you said who else has been in that new system… Lol not that it really matters I’d be pissed if I wasn’t on a watch list by now.

DPS, that’s pretty handy for the NSA, isn’t it? That fixing an old one (that they haven’t modified yet) is more expensive than buying the modified ones.

There have been comments on here, people being confident that their laptop was free from surveillance because it has “never been on the internet”, is kinda null and void now, huh?

Now, the damn thing comes with spy devices hidden in it!

As far as fixing your own laptop, I fix them all the time. One of the most common issues with laptops is broken LCD screens, a very costly shop visit for sure.

But did you know that all you have to do to replace a broken screen on almost ANY laptop, is pull the plastic front off, remove 4-8 small screws and unplug the little plug from the computer? You put the new one (about $30 new) in the same spot, plug it in and replace the screws and plastic front? It takes me about 10 minutes to replace a screen.

You can find videos on youtube, or go to fixya(dot)com for expert help to DIY.

hell, who KNOWS anymore who’s bugged our computer…NSA, CHINESE, hackers….i betcha it’s a loooong list…most don’t even think about it…and about that cold weather gear…i really like the army and marines gear, for whatever it’s worth. i’ve been to snow many times with…well, here’s a list of some of my favorite things to keep warm and dry…google them to get surplus stuff fairly reasonable. and if you live near a base often you can find ridiculously cheap stuff from the troops gettin’ booted out lately. gunshows,craigslist or bookoo(beg me and i’ll tell you about bookoo if i get some green thumbs)my list only includes things I HAVE WORN/TESTED myself.
desert combat boots
brown fleece-lined longjohns also called polartec
the newer “waffle” longjons
goretex raincoat/parka…(and pants)
polypro level 7 generation 3 urban grey coat(arctic troops get these) also called marshmellow suit(pants too)
fleece beanie
coldweather flyers gloves(leather,and lined)
wool socks(even for summer)
overboots(put a plastic breadsack on ’em before putting them on or you won’t get them off again)
fleece(there’s different thicknesses)
field jacket with liner
woobie blanket and poncho
neck gaiter
balaclava(ski mask)
wool sweater(older, 20-40 years ago)
silk weight polypros or polartec(i get those 2 names confused sometimes)

The United States *used* to be a nation of producers and givers, now we are more a nation of consumers…and takers. The TPTB will just keep kicking the can down the road further, over and over again, until the people waking up reaches critical mass. That is the point where the masses realize THEY have been taken, and it won’t be pretty. It’s very hard to believe our nation has turned into what it is in a such a short, short time, in the grand scheme of things.

People need to prepare like their is no tomorrow and learn and perfect a critical skill for coming collapse. I have many young people ask me- “What degree should I get? Should I get my masters now?” I tell them to use that brain in their head to assess the world around them. A race car driver moves at high speed through a series of twists and turns and only long range thinking saves them. If you only look down at your feet, the turns in life come up suddenly and sharply…there is no room to slow down or turn. You crash and you’re dead.

The correct method is to look far ahead on the horizon and plan your apex and turn entry points so that your momentum allows to navigate and pass through safely and quickly. Don’t hesitate; look all around you and at the road ahead. You are in the race for your life and that of your family if you have one.

A race car driver knows the course and can plan ahead, he knows his competition, he has a pit crew that’s doing all they can to keep him in the race and he has a desire to win.

We are in the race with an old rusted up 72 Pinto, driving an unfamiliar course with a pit crew that’s working in our competitors pit and our desire to win is being nudged out with the desire to just survive the race.

When I turned 16, I took $300 in savings from odd jobs and bought my first ride, a 1964 Chevy II Nova 2-door post coupe, straight 6 engine with 3-on-the-tree. I spent another $300 for some work on the car and drove it for 2 years with very little trouble. Only cost $2 to fill the tank. It got 25 mpg on the highway. In my senior year, 3 months before graduation, I was rear ended by a U-HAUL truck. I got out with some minor injuries. The Chevy II Nova was a mid-size car. that U-HAUL hit me at 40 mph when I was sitting at a red light. I forced myself out of that car when I smelled gas leaking. Not 1 minute after getting out the car exploded. I knew I was right to get my ass straight out of there. I loved that car and would’ve kept it longer had it not been for that stupid U-HAUL. The Pinto was a tin can and you didn’t have to go very fast to hit one and rupture the gas tank. That U-HAUL was flying when it my Nova and it was a bigger car. braveheart

BH. Remember the nova hatchback. With a tent that was great for the ft laudale beach. I miss them days. And thankfully all these fda drugs I take you bad mouth. Seem to be bring back there and the Boca inlet a1a bridge.
Why do we need to get old. I should of stay other forever.
BH. I still own a place in big pine key. Let me kick out the resident there and let have a party that beats all parties. I bring my medicine cabinet. You bring the rum.

FBP, after I moved back to TN from FL and my van caught on fire, I looked around for one of those Nova hatchbacks and couldn’t find one. So I bought a 76 4-door Nova from an individual for $1400; needed a vehicle ASAP and I knew the owner very well. You mention Big Pine Key. The first 2 years I worked for that courier service in Miami that was my route, Miami-Key West 5 days per week. had a lot of good times in those days. that was way before certain groups came along and ruined it for everyone else. You mention rum; rum and coke was my wife’s drink. I didn’t touch the hard stuff very much; I was always more of a beer drinker. I remember one night when we were dating; I was at her place and I tried a glass of Bacardi 151 proof rum straight; BIG MISTAKE. I woke up at 6 AM the next morning, head hurting like hell, my girl was standing over me in her nurse’s uniform ready to go to work [I passed out on her couch] and she was mad. this happened on a Thursday night/Friday morning timeframe. She said, “Baby, you screwed up royally. you don’t touch rum straight, plus I wanted to “get some” last night. So you come back tonight and make up for it and don’t touch my rum. I had to go to work in my condition but I made it thru the day. I went back to her place that night and stayed sober. I did my “due diligence” and made sure she got a double dose of you-know-what. And of course we lived happily ever after. braveheart

i read braveheart’s reply and it reminded me of MY story. i worked next to this beautiful girl for like, a couple years. she was really smart too. and one day i finally got the courage to ask her out on a date….well, after the 8th date things were going so well…we just got along so good and we were able to communicate so well, that i asked her to marry me. she thought for a minute or two……and said no…….and I lived happily ever after. LOL.

We all know it’s coming. What kind of checklist do you need. Food, water, firearms, ammo, medical supplies, clothing, body armor(optional), land, and most importantly a group of people that have your back. I’m finally in a position that I got these things covered so I think this is the year that I enjoy the shit out of life and not worry.

They all need to get off their dead butts, throw away the Cell phones and IPADs. And get their butts busy working, Gardening, planting, working and improving there knowledge, in order to possibly survive!

Most of the folks today, do not even have a scrap of knowledge to Split a log, or how to use a shovel or hoe, to make a Garden.

The only hoe that most of them knows, is walking the streets in town , selling their bodies for Fiat currency!

10-4 on that Socrates. One of the best things you can do is sell your skills under the table. Work for cash or trade. Get any tools you might need to do your work now. Fix cars, do electrical/ construction, plumbing, etc. It doesn’t take a crystal ball to see the future. Stock up on fertilizer and fuels, build a solar well, stock up on tire plugs and automotive needs, the list goes on. The underground economy will be booming the worse it gets, don’t leave yourself out! Heres a tip for those of you who have liberty tools (I sold all mine) http://store.appliedballisticsllc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=0001 🙂

Know what we need to fix?
All those idiots that THINK not paying taxes is unpatriotic!!
HellO??!!??
I will take cash any day and NOT pay taxes than pay taxes and have the 1% get even more of my money to expand their bank account, stocks, or gold stash.
Geeze..explain?? where do I start??

Also then don’t bitch. For not getting Ssi or funded medicare. Lime some do. I agree they waste it. But no pay nothing for you if you didn’t set aside to support yourself and bitch why SS yes you to get bent.

SSI or supplemental security disability I think is quite different from regular social security disability. SSI the way I understand it is welfare for those who never worked and paid enough in to qualilify for regular social security. SSI is welfare dole money not worked for. Anyone on the Dole is a taking parasite they shouldn’t expect other making producers to be robbed so that they can maintain a certain lifestyle. If you spent to large a portion on rent & phone. Find a cheaper rent and do without the phone. The tent is a good Idea you can eat the cats and save on buying cat food. Also with regards to Unemployment Comp. It is paid for by a Tax on the employers payroll. Not one penny was ever deducted from any persons paycheck to pay for Unemployment comp. Now yes you are required to report Unemployment as income on your tax return. However Most since their drawing the Unemployment welfare income is so low don’t owe any income tax.

I olny bitch about those who are receiving SSI not regular Social Security. Today Is the day! Today im gonna take a visit to the Social Security office and sign up for the PONZI scheme. Im 63. Ive paid in for 45 years and hope to be able to recieve as least what Ive paid in before the whole shebang crashes and burns.Whatever I get will be better than a poke in the eye. I think I can still earn $14,000 before it would effect my PONZI check.

We will all survive because we will find value in other things such as family and friends, and learn that money does not buy us what we truly need. This is the new economy and it will spread like fire.

I don’t know… Here I am turning 58 this year in May and still have no idea what I am going to do. Oh well, I guess I will do like i do every year and see where the wind blows me..Having a trade is nice but the full time job is not happening here in the north where we get laid off every season and half the employers don’t go back as there is no real work to do anymore. Hmm maybe Texas? Or back to N Dakota?? Catch squaw fish for a season and then Texas in the fall? Maybe I should write a book about Bigfoot raping women and put it on Kindle?

Hey .02 maybe sell firewood or get a log splitter and rent it out. Offer a pipe wrapping service installing heat tape and insulation. Get a snowplow and plow parking lots. Offer rehab work to banks with forclosed houses. Go trapping. Sell jerkey. Do small engine repair. Sharpen chainsaws. Theres a lot you can do if you put your mind to it! 😉

I am not worried, as I know more ways to skin a cat then there are cats. I have about an $800 a month burn rate so it is not like I am going to starve. Cant get anymore food in the cupboards or freezers anyway. 3 paid for vehicles that all run great. Just don’t know whats in store as I went through life as a nonconformist. I worked for many large companies where I could have crawled up the corporate ladder and retired with a pension in Florida I suppose, but that never interested me. I dunno, just get bored too easily and have to move on. Now that Fukushima looks like it is going to spew toxic death for 100,000+ years it is getting damned hard to get excited about any future. I guess I will just hang out on unemployment, shoot some coyotes (no trapping in this state) catch some bounty fishes and maybe try some of them marijuana candies and cookies that are soon to be legal. LOL that will help with the radiation sickness I suppose? Sorry about the rant folks, just putting some thoughts to screen. Been great hanging with y’all last year and getting to know everyone. I am hoping 2014 is fun and interesting as that is all I am really after anymore.

.02 RE: “Turning 58″…at least you lived in the best days this country will ever see. Back when a $$buck was a $$buck and you could buy an American muscle car for $4k and a 45PRM record of your favorite song for $.69. All gone now. 5.0L Ford Mustang cost ya $58k, a Harley-Davidson motorcycle @ $32k, houses at $500k. Rock ‘n roll is completely gone, NASCAR is dead,and all sports programming completely blows with endless dipshit commercials constantly interrupting your concentraion. At 61, I thank God everyday, that I was born when and where that I was.

HD74_ Those were the days! Had a Plum Crazy 1970 Dodge Super Bee I paid 1600 for with 27,000 miles on it when I bought it in 1974. That was my first real muscle and from there things got rather crazy. Had a mechanic that built my engines that was Tom Sneva’s head mech. Gawd all mighty that guy could make an engine come alive.. he was big on balancing the distributor. ?? Anyway after he built my International 401 and we dropped it into an old ugly amc ambassador, I don’t know how much money i won when people would talk up their cars and i would say ” hell my old rambler will out run that thing.” They couldn’t get their money out of their pants fast enough. Simply slaughtered the mustangs and camaros. Loved the looks on their faces when i fired that old sleeper up and they realized just by the sounds of her they were screwed. Yep those were the days.

I still have too many cars. Still have my 55 chevy that I drove in high school. Back then it had a 283 4 bbl and three speed with a Hurst floor shift 370 rear gear. I dreamed of stuff like a 327 with double hump heads ,big cams, hedders, tunnel rams. 4 speeds ect. Never had the money back then. It Now it has a 454 with 2 4 bbls hedders crane cam ect. Backed by a ford 4 speed top loader trans & hurst shifter and ford 9 inch rear 355 gears and also have a 411 spool pumpkin that Ive never used yet. It still has the same mag wheels and flat black primer paint job it had back then. Ive hoarded a bunch of 327 engines speed equipt ect. I still Got a lot of 50,s and 60,s projects. Ive been selling some on the internet. Those where the days cheap gas and it was the good stuff high octaine with real lead. A set of spark plugs lasted only 10,000 miles. Lots of pretty girls who where lots of fun. We street raced on the Hwy 62 eleven point river bridge every Saturday nite. started about midnite and lasted for several hours and the cops never hassled us. And then we went to George Rays Dragstripn at Paragould Ar. every Sunday. George Rays Is still going. Its now a 1/8 mile instead of the 1/4 mile we used to run. I usually manage to go & play there a few times per year. its no longer competitive however The old 55 still garners a lot of attention. I still get a lot of offers from folks wanting to buy it whenever I bring it out. Those MoPars where fast back in the day. A 426 hemi was hard to beat. one guy I know had a hemi cuda with a 426 and it was bored and stroked to 534 cubic inches he was a NHRA record holder for a few years. He is past 70 now and still has the car.

@.02….All the vets came back from Vietnam and with the monies they mailed home, they returned to buy everything from hot motor Chevy Chevelles, Novas Corvettes, Plymouth Roadrunners, Super Bees, Dodge Daytonas, Ford Mustangs, Olds 442’s you name it-if it had a US big block 8 it got bought. And everything was affordable by the average dude! Standing on the local street corner on a Friday or Saturday night was like having a custom car show constantly moving down the street. Now it’s all look alike Honda’s Toyota’s, Nissans, for the welfare immigrants, and BMW’s, Lexus’s, and Audi’s for the Yuppie snots. As the son of a WW II 11th Armored Div. vet, and knowing what the Bataan Death March was all about, I have never bought a foreign car in my entire life.

I bought a Camaro 70 Z28 350 LT1 and 4 speed with a 12 posi. first thing I did was install traction bars 411 gears & hedders. When I blew up the original engine connecting rods where hanging out the oil pan. Sold the Camaro and several other old hot rods a few years back so we could pay cash for the place where we now live.

A fair % of my college expenses were covered by me porting/polishing cylinder heads & installing larger/oversize valves (swirl-polished on a Jet lathe) & 3-angle valve jobs…have done my share of cc’ing combustion chambers too!
Yep, I have an old but excellent condition, Black-n-Decker valve grinding machine..have all the arbors & stones for seat work also.

..and years ago, I built my own ‘flow-bench’ & my physics prof donated the lab quality manometer…he was a gear-head too.
Fast forward 37 years..I still have the flow bench/lathe/Bridgeport mill/VG machine, although their dusty & hasn’t been used in awhile.

Engine is finished & on an engine stand..trans has been rebuilt w/ new I/O shaft brgs & synchronizers/Hurst shifter-linkage..clutch is a Hayes HD unit.

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What I really need is a ’71 steel(OEM type) Cowl-induction hood, a ’71 SS grill, front/rear windshield and a good 12-bolt posi unit. Would like a 3.55 or 3.66 ratio out of a GTO or Buick stage 1..
..but they’re about as rare as hens teeth today (@ least here-abouts).

Times sure have changed and to me I think the country/world has lost its very soul. Look at every town you come into = carbon copy of the one you just left. There is the Wal-mart-over there the Mickey-d and down the road is the starbux across the street from the fvkin 5 dollar footlong. Some days I still think maybe I will take the ole van and just load her up and start traveling south until I see an ox drawn cart, and THERE I will look to buy some property.

I have been looking at work sitch in ND, MT, ID, WY etc… Lots of work in SE Idaho, lots of trades work, framers, siders, finish work, and drywall etc,,, up north, operator jobs in oil fields, housing is an issue though,, Nina Os Mom has the idea with the 4×4 van,,,
If you have some $ maybe a Tumbleweed House? Google it,, cool little homes, a friend built one for about 5k with salvaged and scrounged stuff from job sites,,is living in it doing farm work,,, was doing construction, hardest thing is finding spot to park…

Lotsa work over in eastern montana all of n dakota but Idaho is a right to work state and they usually have shit wages and most are loaded with illegals. Lived in that Nazi state for 42 years and will never go back as they take income tax from me while I live out of state! Talk about taxation without representation. Anyway you can keep Idaho, as it is a police state.

Idaho isn’t that bad. I live in Pocatello area and like this area. Not great, but definitely not bad either. Crime rates are low and kind of easy living.

Sounds like you have passed opportunity and really are sort of giving up.

My advice. Get your body moving. Whether walking or jogging, get it going. It is amazing what exercise does to the mind and attitude. When you have a body that is fit, it is ‘psychological sunshine’ to the overall outlook in life. Good luck….

That’s the trend ive noticed. instead of every thing all going down at the same time. we have some boom and bust at the same time. Boom and bust in different industries & boom & bust in different locals. As long as they can keep playing kickcanistan ecomomics and the dollars continue to spend and the boom & bust cycle continues it will be more of the same. SHTF for some and relatively good times for others.

In one breath you people complain about American consumerism, then in the next you complain when the American consumer does not spend. You call for spending cuts, then complain about the easily foreseeable consequences of those cuts. You people really are a bunch of deluded sheeple.

Yes Joe, there is a bunch of complaining from people on this site, and some of it isn’t warranted. I think a lot of people are frustrated at the position that a couple decades of bad political and financial policies have created. Most on this site realize that we are too far down the road for any sort of a normal recovery. These same people are expecting a reset, whether it is major or minor. There is always going to be the odd comment that is going to look or sound stupid, but if you take into account the ongoing stories and comments, it will come into better context. Having said that, every once in a while, there are some stupid comments and complaints, just ignore them. The more people that point them out, the more time is wasted on morons. Please don’t make me waste time on morons. I have to read them, it’s like a train wreck, you have to look. Have anything interesting or positive to contribute?

Nice straw man argument there, Joe. No one is complaining about consumerism. We are discussing how an economy is going to improve when no one is going to be able to purchase a car, house, new appliances, or much of anything else except Obamacare, $4 gasoline, and taxes.

nc joe , If you would pull your head out from that dam rock .Who has got the house for the 5years . And there has not been any cuts .It was a reduction .All this printing of $s with not a thing to back it .But the working man taxes. How do you think we can spend on things we need and like to have.My boys need my help, And your way of thinking .You think my taxes should go to the goverment for what ass****s like you.What is in your face is a flat broke USA. Bet you were one of those kids when your dad said he was broke . You thought he had a money tree in the back yard .Or was never told no.
Did you read what you said .Your gov.Dont make money they take it from us.It was our tax dollors that got GM.out. When did the gov. ever make a dollor . uspostoffice, they were just approved stamp increase for 2 years . I want you to call me when they bring it down in 2 years.The minds of the people will have moved on to one more problem . You live in your dream world there’s a payday comeing .When the world calls for money you thought was growing on trees . You will understand .But I dont know where you come from.But I dont think it was from North Carolina

This trashed out, debt ridden, US economy began under the twin terms of Bill Clinton with his NAFTA and GATT foreign trade treaties. Hey, have a cut of Mexican horsemeat mixed into your McDonald’s hamburger and score some food poisoning afterward, ’cause there’s no government food inspection in TacoBellLand. Here in Maine even the 150 year old wood by-product toothpick manufacturer has closed it’s doors, never mind all the shoe shops and leather factories. F*ck, we’re now a country that can even shod it’s feet. You go to LL Bean, the outdoor outfitter, and save for “New Balance” products, there ain’t a shoe or boot made in the US. And now the D-RATS are gonna put up Hillary or the Harvard lib skank Elizabeth Warren as their next Prez candidate. At one time, God would have protected us from this abhorrant agenda, but now with the Lords Prayer and the Pledge of Alligence taken out as part of the opening of school, we are without His protection. It’s gonna be an ugly end.

In the religion of Western Civilization, if you are righteous you will go to heaven. There, you will stand around with other good people and adore God for eternity. No hors derves or anything. In the Viking religion, if you die fighting for your people, you get to go to Valhalla. There you get to hang around with your kinsmen and sing and drink and BBQ for eternity. If that ain’t heaven I’ll kiss yer ass!

In the Bible, heaven is a feast with the redeemed (read, those ransomed by Christ because none of us are righteous enough on our own merits) and worshiping God with no need of an end since He is always there and noting interrupts the fellowship. It’s not just a never-ending church service like you seem to imagine.

what good is that? If life where idyllic. I mean if everything was always hunky dory and everything always went your way to me that would really suck. its the uncertainty, problems & challenges that make life interesting and exciting. Life is a adventure to be embraced. The goal isn’t to die leaving a perfect corpse & never having lived on the edge. To me its to die sliding in sideways completely wore out and used up exclaiming What a Ride!! and asking Whats Next?

2014 is going to be a big year I believe,It seems they are rolling out false flags every year now,Sandy Hook/Boston Bombing etc. Going to be interesting to see whats in store for us this year. Stay prepared and on alert

I think we, as Americans, need to remember we are Americans. We are a country that stands up to tyranny. We need to work around obummercare. Doctors and patients alike need to stand up. Docs can screw the grid and go back to the cash/barter system that worked for many years. I know many people like myself that would prefer to pay cash than pay extortion money to insurance companies. Why the Hell do we need to pay some asinine bureaucrat to deny us medical procedures, medicines, and so on. We are not children, we are fully capable adults.

Good One. All I have is a old flip type cell phone. Never had a X Box Ipad or Iphone. Don’t play video games, tweet, face book, twitter or any of that. Still have a cassette deck in my truck. I watch others use them.

That’s ok sorry to offend you, but you were sounding a bit like a member of the “NOW” generation.

If you still have a truck with an 8 track i have a few 8 tracks around here somewhere for you.

I remember when radio’s in new vehicle were a $15 option and had a Can type vibrator power supply that would last about 1 year if your we lucky. AM radio only, 8 track was in my p/u Cab over camper! LOL!

Cell phone what the hell is that, I remember when they looked like a brick, remember the one used in Miami Vice with Don Johnson.

Slingshot, I could weep for what has been forgotten or simply pushed to the side as unimportant. We have gone from God-fearing people to people who fear not having the latest whatever! It does me proud to hear my 20 something son tell his friend to stop worrying about xbox 360 and get a damn job!

I paid cash for my medical, dental and veterinary visits for several years. I have no intention of signing up for the newest tactic to loot the American people. The providers, individual practices all, give me a discount because they don’t have a paperwork albatross sitting on their shoulders.

The power elite wants us broke, homeless and hungry. Various economic events that are seen as discrete are actually parts of a plan to achieve that.

The day is coming when people who have never been hungry before will be. Then the FEMA buses will begin appearing in formerly well-to-do neighborhoods. Grateful folk will board. “Please, O Government, save us (from the problems you created).

Ultimately they want nine-tenths of us dead. With the survivors their slaves.

Don’t cooperate with them in any way.

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I can’t agree with your “we are a country that stands up to tyranny.” For about 150 years we have been the Redcoats of the world. While our troops were dying allegedly for God, mom and other folks’ freedom international banksters were making good money financing all sides. It’s debatable that 12/7/41 was a surprise to FDR.

From colonials murdering American Indians while stealing their land, to the Whiskey Rebellion, to the latest LE atrocity, the military and LE have a nasty habit of being the power elite’s thugs. Murdering Americans every time they’ve been told to.

If that’s news to you take a read in Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States.

Sorry JA. Do you live in the US? Would that be on land that Native Americans once called their own? I will not bow to a person that has no pride in country. I, like my ancestors, will always oppose tyranny in any form. My family has served their country over many generations and always upheld the constitution, not politics. I am sorry for you in that you apparently do not like your country. You could always move.

Yes, FD. The land stealing and genocide were before my time. I don’t expect you to bow, or throw money either.

All government, including ours, is formed and sustains itself by coercion, theft and murder. Government always and everywhere is the primary threat to liberty. What do you mean by “country?” Is that “the land and the people” or is it the government?

Do you consider taxation just the price of progress, or do you consider it theft? I guess it makes quite a difference whether you’re on the thief’s payroll, doesn’t it.

The troops that will dutifully uphold their orders to confiscate our firearms because Executive Order whatever, signed by their thug in chief, says so … are you proud of that too?

Did your family “serve” our country in Vietnam? Which was the Vietnamese struggle to free themselves from foreign occupiers, beginning with the Chinese, the French and finally the US. Something we should have understood since 1775.

Tell me, FD, what did those 58,000 Americans die for?

I don’t respect your blind allegiance to statism while crowing about “my family has always fought against tyranny.”

Read a little history that isn’t pure statist propaganda then get back to me.

I know its a bitter pill . The fact is most of the times the troops in the US military are not fighting to protect the freedoms and counstitionial rights of the US citizens. They in fact are nothing more than cannon fodder to further the NWO Un & agenda 21. At least the ones today have a choice they vollintiered. Folks need to educate their children so they will be wise enough to not believe some recuiters lies and know the TV ads are propaganda. The armed forces need to be boycotted.

Land Native Americans Called their own? What are you talking about? When asked who owns this land? the Natives replied no one owns the land. Its the earth Mother and you cant own your mother. The natives had no deeds surveys or any boundrys showing who owned what. It was whoever was the best warriors controlled the best locations. Constantly at war with each other. Many never developing more then crude stone tipped weapons. having the intellect of teen aged children. quick to anger quick to fight & kill. A old indian was 35 years old. Before white man. The lions share where true Wild Men. They killed for a living. Those Mayans where no better. Building temples to practice human sacrifice. The Native American gets good press today. They wherent the great society in harmony with nature that’s is portrayed by todays politically correct mamby pamby do gooder liberal folks.

Then join a health share ministry. I think if everyone did that we would not only sound the death knell of Obamacurse, but we’d knock down the ridiculous pricing of healthcare which made insurance so necessary to begin with.

I understand this article completely. What is wrong with a country where I have to work 3 jobs to support my family (I am a teacher), and struggle to put food on the table, while I see people piling up shopping carts in front of me paying with food stamp cards? I refuse to accept government handouts, hence working so many jobs. We have food put away, but it is frustrating to see that 2014 is another crappy year for the lower-soon-to-be-extinct-middle-class

Hal, I agree. I almost took the welfare way myself but the Bible says Christians should provide for themselves. It sure was tempting. You can pay down your house (up to $500K value) and even have a car of any value. I imagined myself growing my own food, doing cash work on the side, and fixing my own cars/house/etc. Not “reporting” to work but getting mailbox money from the crooks and providing for my own off the books. Well, in the end I decided not to become a “taker” and to remain a “maker”; but, as you know, the majority of Americans have sold their soul to the welfare system.

Hal,
I respect folks like you…
The idea that we need to be responsible for ourselves rather than taking an easier softer path and just using the system is something that has all but disappeared.
Eventually the government, that produces NOTHING, will run out of people willing to go along to get along,,,, the lawmakers with their inflated salaries and extravagant staff, will get bitch slapped back to 1776…..

So along the lines of paying cash, maybe folks could set up local coops for the purpose of paying doctors. The coop could provide loans for medical procedures. Members could use an account kind of like the current HSA. Bypass Bummercare and the insurance companies in one swoop.

IME, you save the most money by harassing the doctor and staff while there. No matter if you go to urgent care or emergency room: the staff has one goal: Bill as much as possible. They spend their time trying to upsell you on all sorts of tests and procedures. I think 50% of the time, they don’t even know the correct treatment for common ailments (uncontrolled coughing for example is solved by a motrin/antiinflamatory). My long-winder point rednek101 is the Doctors will have no interest in your “local currency”. They are playing another game. Scam game. Just like most everyone else. not medical care. That’s not how they get rich! They get rich be selling procedures, prescriptions, and keeping you sick.

Nony
sort of agree with you. If and when the economy fails Doc’s won’t have the gov/insurance support they have had in the past. I think the old “Country” doctor will make a comeback in a big way. For both Doctor and my proposed coop, if they have to look you in the face they’re not near as likely to screw you over. Local Doctor, local coop admin. They will have a vested interest in treating folks right.
On the doctor competence thing: when Docs spend so much of their time doing/learning Bummercare/Medicare paperwork and dealing with HMO bull, they don’t have the time to practice their discipline the way they should. Less time studying doctor stuff = less of a doctor.

In the Dr and hospital circles it is called a “wallet biopsy.” No bull, they actually joke about it. Legal Thieves. This country has fallen to the thieves in almost all professions. I quit a construction company a few years back b/c the owner wanted me to lie to the customer for the betterment of the company. Told him to go to hell and walked.

Heres an oldie but a goodie: If ifs and ands were pots and pans there’d be no trade for tinkers.

Short answer same as “inflamed boils” answer, IT WONT and we realy need to get used to that fact. Trade, skills, barter and setting yourself up now ahead of time will hopefuly put you in a less uncomfortable position. What that looks like to you in your area is up to you. You know your area better than I do so figure out now what its going to take.

Do you need X ? If so figure out how to get X without any help from anyone and as you encounter problems getting X on your own you will have a tailor made SHTF prep list. Not easy is it?

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

KJV Sigi and back when it was translated thats what a days labor got you a whole penny. But yes the meaning is the same. I do wish I had a clearer understanding of the …hurt not the oil and the wine. part. But Im sure He will reveal that to me as needed.

The obamacare will collapse,the underground economy will grow along with the black markets as more things made illegal(light bulbs!),the economy will really start to suck for those on govt. tit be it a job or welfare,the money will not be there for you.We as a society will get by as the govt. makes a few ugly final plays but is for most part marginalized out of existence.

#1. Convulsive Electroshock therapy,(1940’s style)carried out on them until they cease the desire to mooch.

#2. A horse whip or cain applied to their asses until they bleed and iodine is applied to the torn buttocks tissue until they totally renounce moochness, and embrace real work as an alternative to mooching.

Sorry guys after seeing that the USG got me for over 8 grand this year I am foaming at the mouth, rolling on the floor angry.

JRS, why would you want one of those damn things? those totally disappeared from American roads by the mid-90s. At least the Ford Pinto and Chevy Vega, as bad as they were, did last longer because we built BETTER junk than anyone else. braveheart

STORAGE TIP: It is the time of the year that Costco has their storage and organization products in stock. Last year I bought a lot of the 14 in square (about 3 in. high) multi-color plastic boxes. Instead of sitting my electronic keyboard on a stand, I use a stack of the boxes (7 on each side) to sit the keyboard on. It is a way to store a lot of small items that you don’t need frequent access. So if you have a narrow table behind a sofa or by a window for your plants/sprouts, consider junking the table and stack away!

And as we all know, Costco has the best price. Buy them now while they’re here.

Happy new year SHTF family. I hope all of you and your families stay safe in 2014, stay informed and, ready for anything that may come a knocking. As we look at past years here, its guaranteed this will be a rough year and will probably push all of us much further when it comes to our personal limits: spiritually/mentally, physically and lastly, financially. Keep the spirit and keep it close!

Well, I think you are right to a point. The economy is already crippled, the ACA will just be the last nail in the coffin for it. Anyone who voted for this should be labeled as a traitor to this country and punished accordingly. The .gov has no business doing 98% of what it does. And oh, under the auspice of “laws”. We are screwed to the wall, and most of the country is too stupid to realize it.

The government sure as hell has no business telling you or i that we must buy health insurance or be penalized,,,
I dont give a crap what these arrogant politicians or SC justices say, they have lost all legitimacy.
If you want to be a sheep then go ahead and follow, otherwise grow a pair and say hell no!
If enough people do that then these turds in congress will listen, if not i got a whole lot of rope to contribute to a hanging party.

Thank you,,,
I just like the little comunity and chance to vent about stuff most folks just wont talk about,,, sort of a point of contention for me, too many people have blinders and rose colored glasses on and are not really paying attention to whats going on, lots we cant do much about, but still should be conscious of and talk about,,,

The government is not here to feed us. The government is not here to give us insurance. The government is not here to buy me a house. The primary job of our Federal government is to create a self sustaining environment, through legislation,laws etc…, where we can feed ourselves. They have failed……miserably…..mostly IMHO due to catering to the professional entitlement seekers.

If the ghetto parasites were terminated, taxes would be lower. The USG took over 8K out of my hide this year,ID rather see that money used for irreversable surgical sterilizations,and abortions. If the baby daddy and da baby momma dont want to marry and form a family,work and provide for their little monklet, then why should I have to?

What’s the best way to earn extra money? Earn it while you’re sleeping.

Watch the HGTV show “Income Property”. If your home can be re-configured to add an apartment, the money you spend doing it is very well spent. And an additional living space is also a good safety net for your family if one of your adult kids has to move home. By having a private living space, it makes it easier for multi-generational families to live together.

Rentals.. argh! been there done that.. NEVER again. Seems like if there is 50 cents to be made in anything these days there are 50 people fighting over it. I used to make a few bucks mowing lawns back in the grade school days and now there are illegals cruising around with mowers in the back hassling people for 20 bux.

Nina…you should be very cautious about spewing the nonsense that you spew concerning the Jews. Whether you like it or not, the Jews are God’s chosen people. He promised the land of Israel to them. “I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you” (Gen 12:3) You can shout to the heavens your hatred to the Jews, but I can guarantee you that you are digging your own grave. Maybe you should spend some time redirecting your anger. Just a thought.

lastman- agreed, but it is not for us to determine the heart of the spade. I am 100% against spewing hate, toward anyone…even those who might deserve it. Nina constantly spews anti-Jew propaganda. Didn’t realize she was the great decider on who is good and bad. I would strongly encourage everyone to look into their hearts as we enter these tough times. our character and who we truly are will be seen by our words and even greater by our actions. If we spew hate now, then I fear hate will prevent us from the love that will be required to heal all transgressions.

READ: Galatians, it says that ‘seed” of abrahams promiced blessing means Jesus Christ=Seed…And all who are Christ’s are who the abrahamic blessings are to or for.

Galatians, 3:29..And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.”

That aint “jews” as jews reject belief if Christ. It means christians. We live IN the new covenant of Christ and Christianity, and have for 2000 yrs now so get Over them OT books and Old covenant. Its been gone for 2000 yrs. The new testement explains it all so Read That.

Your replacement theology is just a fantasy, them guys, just a fantasy. God’s promise to the Jewish people is in the Old Testament. The New Testiment doesn’t make God’s promise invalid, no matter what you think or post.

ZPAK: God never made ANY covenants with “jews”. He did make a covenant with ALL 12 Tribes of Israel. The word “Jew” is Not even mentioned untill almost 500 pages after first page of genesis. The first time “jew” is written is in 2nd book of Kings, chap 16 vs 12 if I recall it right.

You are whos so wrong. You call all the 12 tribes Jews as if israel and jew mean exact same thing. They do NOT.

Jew was Originally written as Idumean, it means edmom and esaus edomites. Who mixed with the Judah tribe folks, along with judah folk mixed Racially with cannanites(blacks) and a whole lots More “Ites” types, like Hittites etc etc…By time Christ was born the word “Jew” was used as a Nickname for people who resided IN territory of jeruselem.

ONLY the 10 Northern tribes of Ephraim Kept the Name of “ISREAL”….Ever since those 10 tribes split apart from the Two tribes of Judah and benjamin which were always called the “Southern Kingdom of Judah” although it became such a mixed race of folks barley any left were Pure Judah tribe blood or dna.

Thats all explained in Your bibles. You just refuse to accept it as it conflicts with Your pro jew nonsense crapola.

It states in the new testement that the New covenant Replaced the old one. YOU may not like That fact…But it Is still what it is…Facts and written as such.

ONLY One covenant exists. Christianity or the New covenant. Thats written about in several NT books. Weather or not You like it so. You keep your nose so deep Up jew ass and you are going to Miss Christs return due to being stuck in that dark hole zone.

You are who is so spitefull, mean spirited, nasty, vile name calling of others, others like me who simply Point out various events or issues and bible verses meanings etc….YOU call folks evil Nazis or antisemites when they post an exact quote BY a jew person or jew Rabbi..

But never Yet have You ever condemned those jews or rabbis that Spoke or wrote it…Because in Your warped mind Jews are special and Extra equal, and jews can never ever do any wrongs….So Jewy typical, and one of major reasons jews Keeps being Booted from every nation or city that ever has Hosted jews….America is so far the ONLY nation that has not yet booted jews out…And so many folks are wakeing up to the many jew swindles, such as Antigun crap, bank scams, Faggot promotions, Hollywood crap, ruined schools and Unions etc etc etc etc etc.

That if I were a jew in america today, I’d be concerned that if their tribe continues the same path that got jews Booted out from 109 Nations in past 2000 yrs alone,it just May be that one day in the near future most american “Goyims” as you jews like to lable gentiles, which wre all Know goyim equals herd animals and shows what Jews truely think of non jews eh, just may get so sick and tired of too much jew crap again…That they will make usa #110 nation to get added to that Very Long List of nations…..Your crappy attitude and slanderous vile name calling to try and stiffle free speech etc is very like Alan Colmbs of Fox tv shows…Face facts Most, not all, Most jews also possess that same smarmy crappy better than all goyims attitude and its a major reason they end up despised and Booted every time!

Thats simply factual truth most folks are too jew fearfull of saying…I do NOT fear jews and have zero troubles telling it as it is when the issues is jews.

Do Not blame me! I aint jewish, I never enticed jews to act so jewey and nasty…They need zero help acting that way it seems eh!….Ok schools over so Piss off idiot fool.

Keep spinning your bullsheet. Ain’t no one with a brain believing you except your brothers in hate. What you know about the Old Testament could fit on the head of a pin. Guess that makes you a pin head. Or a pea brain. Take your pick.

These folks like NinaO and lastman and the sock puppet brigade imagine that the Jews of Europe came from a few thousand Khazar nobility who converted to Judaism in the 8th C A.D., despite clear historical, linguistic, anthropologic and DNA evidence against their favorite calumny. They believe the Tsarist hoax of the so-called “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and other anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi, Muslim-friendly pap. Convincing themselves that European Jewry aren’t ‘real’ Jews allows them to hate on them, hate on Israel (as if only the Ashkenazim formed it and settled in it; there are Sephardim and Mizrahim whose ancestors never left the land as well) and ignore any scriptural injunction against doing so. It comes down to believing what they want to believe; they dismiss any hard evidence against their position as if it were propaganda and lies.

SIGI & KNASE: Say Facts? DNA EVIDENCE? Okay heres some DNA Facts. FROM a Jewish scientist Man IN ISREAL, in Cahoots WITH HEBREW UNIV and JOHN HOPKINS! and Very RECENT PROOF of jews=KHAZRAS! Dec. 2012!!!

its NOT “Hate” to speak about jews or israel same as its not hate to speak of whites in usa, or blacks, or Italians or germans etc etc…You deluded foolish Blind obey’ers and worshipers of ALL things jew or jewish are why america is so messed up today!…You Blindly defend khazar fraud jews based on Mis-interpretations of the bible, especially old testement based on a proven Fraud “Cyrus Scofield” and His Rothschild Bankster Son’s funding the printing of it, since NO legit Publishers back in early 1900 would print scofields abject delusional Blasphemic Screed so many pastors today use and promote! READ BELOW INFO CAREFULLY! READ IT ALL!
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Because of DNA science, historians and anthropologists have been able to find missing links and to unravel the mysteries of race and ethnology.

In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim,(a jew) of Hebrew University, a biologist, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood. Not only that but Oppenheim discovered that the Palestinians—the very people whom the Jews had been persecuting and ejecting from Israel’s land since 1948—had more Israelite blood than did the Jews. In sum, the vast majority of the Jews were not Jews; some of the Palestinians were. Some of the Palestinians even had a DNA chromosome which established that they were “Cohens”—workers at the ancient Temple and synagogues of the Jews.

The Definitive DNA Study

Now comes the ultimate, definitive DNA study, by Dr. Eran Elhaik(a jew) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Entitled, The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses, and published by the Oxford Journal on behalf of the Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution, the study CONFIRMS Oppenheim’s research and the many scholarly books.

Dr. Elhaik and the prestigious Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine conclude in their report: “The Khazarian Hypothesis suggests that Eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and Converted to Judaism in the eighth century…Following the collapse of their empire, the Judeo-Khazars fled to Eastern Europe. The rise of European Jewry is therefore explained by the contribution of the Judeo-Khazars.”

Who Can Argue With DNA Science?
So DNA science has proven that the findings of many historians and anthropologists is correct. The “Jews” of Israel are not Abraham’s descendants but, instead, come from the subjects of King Bulan of Khazaria.

The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik (“a Jew”) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct.

What exactly is the “Khazarian Hypothesis?” Simply stated, it holds that the Jewry genome is a mosaic of ancestries which rise primarily out of the Khazars.

Jews are Khazars, not Israelites.(His full article states that, At LEAST 98%, of todays “jews” Are Khazar decended).

The “Jews” of America, Europe, and Israel are descendants not of Father Abraham but of King Bulan and the people of ancient Khazaria. Khazaria was an amalgam of Turkic clans who once lived in the Caucasus (Southern Russia) in the early centuries CE. These Turkic peoples were pagans who converted to Judaism in the eighth century. As converts, they called themselves “Jews,” but none of their blood comes from Israel.

Later, the “Jews” (Khazars) emigrated, settling in Russia, Hungary, Poland, Germany, and elsewhere in Europe. As “Jews,” the Khazars then left the European nations in 1948 and settled the fledgling, new nation of Israel.

The people of Israel are not the seed, nor the ancestors, of Abraham. They call themselves “Jews,” but in fact, DNA science shows them to be Khazars. They say they are “Jew,” but they are not.
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“There are no blood or family connections among the Jews,” said Dr. Elhaik in an interview with Haaretz, Israel’s daily newspaper. “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. Their genome is largely Khazar.” (Get it YET?!!)
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Thus, when Prime Minister Netanyahu says, “God gave this land to our Israelite forefathers,” he is absolutely wrong. There are no Israelite forefathers of today’s “Jews.” When today’s “Jews” say they should possess the land because they are Israelites and are the seed of Abraham, they are mistaken.

The “Jews” are in Israel for one reason and one reason only: Because the United States, in 1948, recognized the nation of “Israel” and has since funded and protected it. God’s Word has nothing to do with it.

God’s Word, the Holy Bible, prophesied that in the last days imposters would erroneously and falsely claim to be “Jews.” These imposters would, the Bible told us, persecute their enemies and especially the Christians. But God would have his revenge:

I ask my evangelical Christian friends: What will you do now? Will you heed what God said, in Revelation 2 and 3, about “them which say they are Jews and are not?” Will you accept modern DNA science as legitimate and valuable in proving the truth of God’s Word?

Or will you, dear Christian friend, walk right on by, dismissing what both God and science have informed you?

God said that the seed of Abraham would inherit the land. Therefore, we must—absolutely must—in light of the DNA evidence, ask ourselves: Where, and who are the seed of Abraham?

We know that Netanyahu and the people who now inhabit Israel have no claim to the land. They are interlopers, false pretenders. But there is a true and legitimate Chosen People of God. In fact, the scriptures had it right all along. The answer is found in Galatians 3:29. Read it for yourself:

“And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.”

So, if you belong to Jesus our Lord, you are “Abraham’s seed,” regardless of your physical race. You are overcomers, and Revelation 21:7 promises, “He that overcometh shall inherit all things.”

God is not a racist. The Great Commission extends to every race and ethnicity. We who love Jesus are His Chosen People, and we have the promise first given to Abraham way back in Genesis.
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SIGI the Sock-Puppet Shabos Goyboy shill probobly Never yet Read those protocols etc he mentioned. All He and a few other delusional Deniars of Truth do is, Parrot tired, old, Worn out, Mantras, and Spin-Spews they were taught since small kids. But now New Updated Facts like DNA evidence BY a Jewish man and women, and Hebrew univ and John Hopkins Vetted, Sourced, Factual DNA, Published As Such, cannot be argued with..Unless Truth is Not what his type is after, but rather its a jew-agenda sigi and kanase et al promote instead.

FACTS: ALL Jew Birth Records etc, were always Stored Inside their Jewish Temple in Israel…The Same Records, and the Same temple that got destroyed and Burned to the Ground the 2nd time in 70 AD(just as Christ said it would!)….Original ancient 12, ALL 12 tribes israel birth records as well as any Other type important recorded infos like Birth records were Lost forever. Whatever wasn’t yet lost after the First Temple was destroyed around 580’s BC, solomons temple. Was gone forever after the Second temple got Demolished and Burned completely in 70 AD.

The Way to Salvation for all, including jews of todays era IS Through and By and With Jesus Christ Period.

Thats why Paul wrote in, Hebrews(?) or was it Romans(?) “There is NO Longer Jew, or Gentile…Greek nor Roman, Male nor Female, since NOW ALL are equally One in Christ…”IF” He/She has accepted Jesus Christ as Their saviour and Lord.”(I paraphrased from memory may not be exact word for word, but very close to it).

What do You scofield fraud bible interpretations, believers Not as Yet GET?!….Is it too hard to comprehend what That verse says or means?…Jews are NO longer anybody special or “chozens”…ALL are EQUAL In and Thru and Because of Christ! and the NEW Christian Covenant.(all who accept/believe in Jesus Christ)

There is NOT “TWO” different covenants operating at same time!…Thats stated also in the new testement books by Paul!

The tribes of israelites, ALL 12, Refused to OBEY their covenant, God tells jeramiah the Prophet, “Go Tell your people of Judah(what You call jews) that they are NO longer MY chosen peoples, and that I Am NO Longer Their GOD, and it is They who has caused this travesty BY their Constant Refusal to Obey OUR Mutual Covenant They all agreed to at Mt. Siani with Moses!

They Anuled, Lost, rejected to obey, the old covenant. It got Replaced with the New covenant as the bible states in new testement. It states the New covenat is a Better one, is a Replacement covenant, and is a Permanant covenant Never again to be changed or replaced forever.

If You call That “Hate” or “Jew Hatred” etc?…Then YOU are calling the writers aka apostles of new testement, and the books of it such vile names…I am Meerely writeing this info to assist You deluded souls to awaken to Truths. If You still choose to remain delusional, and judiaized, by Scofileds Proven Fraudulent bible, or scofields Blasphemy as some calls it, then go on ahead and remain deluded!….But thats NO cause to keep calling me or any Others here Vile names like “nazis” or “antisemites” which are only designed by Jews who Hate truth, who Hate when the truth Reveals Their jew-swidnles, and jew evils etc…And invented such vile names to use in Stiffleing the messengers of said facts or Truths…The True meaning of antisemite, is, all Non jews that Jews hate! Used to silence all debate etc.

Who you hang out with, you Will become like…Why hang out with such nation wreckering tribal Master race, True racists?!…Go view a few Yutubes, see whats going on In Israel Now and has been for decades!…SEE up Close on Yutube vids how those “jews” and zionists you so defend really Act when They think Nobody can See them!

Do You Get it Yet? If not, at This point it is only due to You Refuse to get it. So okay choose to Remain a deluded foolish soul…Or an Idiot. Just stop being such Anti-Gentiles already eh…

Jews as they call themselves today have the exact Same opertunity for salvation as Me, You, Them, Those, ALL other folks worldwide. There is NO seperate “plan” for jews or any other group. Thats ALL written in Your Bibles!

But unless you believe whats written instead of the many Falsehoods so many preachermen today teach, especially those judiazering, jew promoting, limp wristed, Milk Toast, jew-ass kissers, some folks trust as Their pastors….Well unless you believe whats wrote, you remain in total Darkness…I think Thats mentioned also in the bible new testement somewheres…

Why does it bother you that I know, and everyone else knows, that you are an anti-Semite? You are. Embrace the suckiness of your life. Why do you let satan control you? I have no clue why you work for him. Must be some damn good pay or benefits. How does it feel for you to be a puppet of satan? Because from what I’ve seen here of the vile, vicious lies, slander, propaganda and revisionist history you engage in, there is no way you could be a Christian. No way.

Just because someone doesn’t buy into your scripture twisting and intellectual dishonesty does not put them in danger with God. I have trusted in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, you can do nothing to me. Your false accusations are laughable. I reject your intellectual dishonesty and what do you display in return? Hatred, name calling, and juvenile red-thumbing of every single thing I post. “By their fruits you shall know them.” Your fruit is rotten.

It is YOU that does not want the truth to get out. I have no idea if you belong to a standard hate group, such as the Aryan Brotherhood, the Nation of Islam, etc., or if you are just a Garden Variety Anti-semite, but you are employing the oldest tricks in the book to spread your hatred of Jews.

ANTI-SEMITIC CANARDS

According to the dictionary, a canard is: An unfounded or false, deliberately misleading story, belief or rumor.
You are taking advantage of the fact that most people don’t know history very well, and are ready to believe the agitprop you spew here on a regular basis. Just because you post links to websites doesn’t make that information true. Anyone can create a website and post the most vile of things. Twisting history to suit your narrative based on hate is not relating any truth at all, but your own personal biases and hatred.
Any one wishing to see for themselves what a list of antisemitic canards looks like can view it at Wikipedia. I would like to provide the link, but much of what I post ends up in moderation, and I think a link would make that moderation last longer.

If anyone does end up looking at the list, then you will see that these are the “topics” that frequently appear in Them Guys (and his cohorts in hate) posts.

Your revisionist history is losing its “mojo”, Them (anti-semetic) Guys. Deal with it.

Revisionist history and blatant falsehoods. Who is paying you to spew this garbage? AB? Palestinians (who are actually Jordanians, for the most part)? Your best bud David Duke? The amount of time you spend spreading lies and hate is prolly equivalent to a full-time job. Kinda pathetic, really, don’t you think? That your life has been reduced to this.

VILE: Name calling is the Final Resort of Losers, who cannot factually debate, nor can refute proven factual truth and evidence. Yet in a last ditch attempt to Avoid ever Admitting Defeat, or that they are Wrong, said Losers like ZPAK and several Other Trolls here, resort to Vile name calling like evil nazi, or antisemite, or racist seperatists etc etc…They Project Their own tribal group and individual Hatred of all Gentiles, especially Whites, by use of “cover” words like “Arayns” etc…Arayn means Whites!…Who do They really Hate? Whiet folks thats who!…Only its Hidden by use of arayn.

It no longer gets them their desired stiffling, silence of speech and truth effect that it used to get. Because folks Are wakeing Up and by the Tens of Millions annually!

Internet sources have opened up Previously Stiffled, Hidden, Censored, Books, artilces, recently released official state nation documented papers, numbers, events, etc that have basically been well suppressed since the end of WWII era right up to aprox One decade, 10 yrs ago.

And that has resulted in a Golden oppurtunity, for so many folks to Now See and Read that Golden Hoard of prior suppressed infos. Much of it related in a major way to jews, jewish issues, WWII issues, phony “six” million numbers etc.

Proven, Documented, Facts based Evidence that is So, So Overwhelmingly detailed and accurate and vastly Proven as such…That simple childish denials, or vile name calling of nazi or jew hater or white seperatists racists et al, has simply LOST its prior Mojos…

Why do so many foolish deniars of evidence and truth based on proven Facts continue to keep name calling?…Only to keep trying in Vain, to stiffle truth, Halt debate, Stop others from Learning the true, truths folks has previously been hindered from learning, due to as mentioned above a prior massive decietfull method of Hideing, and Supressing and even destroying valid documents and proofs. Valid in that such materials have opened folks Eyes to all the prior Lies and scams we all were taught as truth and that others, mainly Jews demanded We accept as truer and believe or…Else!

Or else what? Or else jews will lable You a evil nazi antisemite racist seperatists whitey, and totally destroy your Job, Life, Family, Home, cause loss of friends and outright attack You constantly…As many know has occured to persons such as PHD. Historian, David Duke for the past 40+ years…Yet I’d Wager a Full 99% of american folk never ever even Read one single article BY Mr. Duke!

Folks automatically Hate duke based upon whatever they were taught to believe BY TV News shows, newspapers, and Overstuffed polititions and hollywood whores, mostly from the jew tribe…..”IF” David Duked Only wrote or spoke out on Whiteys faults, or Italians, or German folk etc?

Then every jew run msm and every jew seen on every TV news shows 24/7/365, would appluade and Praise Duke!

But because duke choose to out jew wrongs, and expose long suppressed truths that so prove jews lie so often, he is lambasted, hated, and all efforts were tried to wreck His life and carrear…Maybe now so many folks are wakeing Up, some will actually try Reading Dukes materials and make Their Own judgements, absent that always mandated conformity to whatever some jewy jew tv news asshole tells them to believe in eh..

Maybe even a foolish idoit such as ZPAK and his few Pals here will even do so!!…I expect instead zpak is going to Remain in delusional la la land for quite a long while yet though, as a “Stiff Necked, Stuborness” is also something the bible atributes to jews eh…And boy is That assesment correct for “Most” of their tribe!

I am not a biblical scholar but I will simply say that Jesus only got mad once.

Who was he mad at?

Repeat, follow the money to present day.

The same ones that control it today…not one thing honest about any of it…look at everything objectively.

I used to think that they were Gods chosen people.

Let me say that by looking at the money trail. Look at how these people have infiltrated our country. Looking at how much money that they have siphoned off our country via our politicians in all branches. Look at how they have used our troops to keep their tiny country floating and only since 1948.

I have come to a conclusion since becoming awake…

Having spent all of my life outside, working and living on/with the earth, I know that I am on the right side.

The earth/planet is honest and provides for those who understand her. That is the way God created it. The earth does not feed or empower people who have absolutely no respect for it…satan does, just as he put people in power to put these unearth-like programs and govts in place.

If that is how the earth works, I am ready to go.

You know what, I won’t be the one leaving anytime soon. I believe that I was placed in this time for this battle. I will stand with God wearing his armor. He will embrace me or he won’t…he will decide who stays and who goes and I am damn good with that.

…and Sigi, you want to know what the most fucked up part of my post is?

The fact that spellcheck wants me to capitalize satan…twice, and I don’t give a damn where it is in the sentence. I you don’t get that, I am sorry.

Actually you are not on the right side when you claim that “they” are responsible for all the financial problems in the world. I know who you refer to in saying “they”. It’s so easy to scapegoat an entire ethnicity isn’t it? Why don’t you take a look at the list of Antisemetic canards that old fool is talking about in his post. Still think you’re wide awake?

What we are overlooking here is the fact that we are dealing with a few posters that are JEWS.

Now, if jews spell their god, g-d, (look it up for yourselves) then they do not believe in my GOD, Jesus Christ.

They can believe in whatever god they choose to believe. The choice is theirs. I believe Sigi,ZPac, etc. are Jewish and have been taught their Talmud religion; just as us Christians have been taught our Christian belief through the whole Bible; including the New Testament.

Just as ThemGuys has pointed out Israel is not the nation of Israel, nor just the jews. The God of the CHRISTians is our Lord, Jesus Christ. No matter if you are English, German, Arabic, Chinese, Jew, etc. if you sincerely accept Jesus Christ as your savior (and he cannot be fooled) then you are “HIS CHILDREN,ISRAEL”.

All the name calling in the world will not change what Jesus Christ requires of his flock. IF YOU ARE NOT FOR HIM, YOU ARE AGAINST HIM…..and he tells you where you stand if you are a non-believer. IT IS WRITTEN….

Jesus was mad at people who were ripping off the foreigners and the poor when they came to the Temple.
That doesn’t take a Bible Scholar to figure out, just someone coming to the text honestly without an agenda.

Oh, you wound me grievously! Actually, the only “proof” that will cure an antisemite like yourself is a good backhand from God. Which you WILL get when you stand before Him. And deep down, in the banal poverty of your corrupted soul, you know that.

And once again, Jesus was a Jew. Its not a belief; its fact. In your face.

I for one am truly getting tired of all this….. Watching EBT recipients walk out of Walmart, and climb into their Escalades. People that don’t have job’s, much less a place to live, buying designer purses for thousands of dollars. People working minimum wage jobs blowing hundreds/thousands at upscale establishments so they can be “players” for a night….. to this I say bulls**t. We have done this to ourselves. We vote these sorry excuses for politicians into office, then re-elect them on the premise of getting more “free stuff”. This thing we call an economy is so corrupt and polluted it can only fail. The types of people I list above have made choices…. The thing that p***es me off, is that “they” expect the gov’t and the WORKING taxpayers to come to their rescue when they reap what they have sown. Change is a comin’.

MX Mike, I agree with you totally. I see the same things in my area all the time. there;s fewer people working and paying taxes into the system now than there was in 2008. The size of the host has been going down since 2008 but the number of predators feeding from it has grown. The predators will be bitch-slapped when the host dies and there won’t be another host to replace it. they’re in for the rudest awakening of their whole lives. braveheart

Quote from above “The short-lived bubble of false prosperity that we have been enjoying for the last couple of years” – unquote.

The last few years have been prosperous? Really? Let me check my diary ….. have I been asleep that long, musta missed it!!

Even here in Aussie anyone with any brains can see whats coming – you guys havent got all the doom and gloom to yourselves y’know. We are going to wear the doo doo when it hits the fan too.

Look on the bright side – we here are going to be part of the solution, not the problem (except for the trolls whose comments I automatically red thumb now without reading). Wont be nice, and some of us will fall by the way and not come out the other side but enough of us will make it. There will still be enough good people left after the bad ones have been taken care of ballistically.

By the way, all the very best to you guys (except the gutless trolls)for the year ahead from Down Under.

Australia is a beautiful country and you will have many advantages in this time of crisis: don’t take them for granted. The countries that will do best will be those who have a good population with the least amount of disharmony and social violence. The US has a very high level of disharmony and has certain populations that are prone to extreme violence, which is not good in a crisis.

I have a chart that shows the level of drive-by shootings and drug communities in a country and how this is linked to the economic performance in a crisis. If these levels are high, then the economic performance in a crisis will be poor (who wants to risk investment in a crisis in a ghetto with gang bangers everywhere?). Lower levels, however, attract more high-level investment (R&D centres, tech parks, universities, labs, high-end brands, nice restaurants etc.). You can visually observe this phenomenon at work by just comparing, say, Toronto with Detroit.

Aussie,
Did you have a chance to read Rawles’ book “Expatriates”? It is partly about an Indonesian invasion of Australia after a Pearl Harbor-style sneak attack. He has some factual information in the book, such as the volume of war materiel that the US has sold (or given away for nothing) to Indonesia.
I liked it, but it’s altogether different from “Patriots”.

Not yet but I will. I have read Patriots and Survivors but the one that is a “must read” is One Second After. I read it 3 times, the last time carefully with a notepad and pen handy – lots of ideas came out of that book (Rawles books too).

I really like the US (dont like your big cities – LA, San Francisco, Phoenix but rural USA is fantastic) have been there a few times but I’m starting to think Aussie is a great place to survive and prosper if TSHTF. We have 23 mill people in an area the size of your lower 48 and while we do have some monster deserts that are habitable by only the toughest one in 10,000 the rest is pretty good.

If there is a die off like in One Second After from whatever (Pandemic is my guess, dont think anyone would bother to EMP us) our rural and coastal areas will be a survivalists heaven. Our game will be prolific whereas I expect yours will be quickly depleted.

Militarily we have Indonesias measure despite their population outnumbering us over 10 to 1 – remember, it’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog! Despite Edward Snowden causing us a bit of embarrassment recently (we tapped the cellphone of the President talking to his wife and passed the info on to you guys and Snowden had access to it) our size and distance will be in our favour in the event of an invasion. They could land troops in our far North but our infrastructure in in the South and there is 2,000 miles in between. Indonesia doesnt have the capability to land large numbers of troops in our South so far from their supply.

I disagree with Rawles when he states the Redoubt is virtually the only place on earth you can survive a meltdown and he criticises Aussie for it’s gun laws. I wont go deeply into that but I legally have a couple dozen long arms and if it truly HTF we preppers will be safely hunkered down in our retreats and TPTB will have a lot more to worry about than sending scarce and probably non existent resources out into the boonies on the off chance there may be some guy/family/group living quietly there who may have a gun or two.

Take care of yourselves guys, as I have said before, I’ve grown fond of you bunch!

Aussie,
A friend of mine in West Virginia recommended that I read “One Second After”, and I did. Dr. Forstchen is a good writer. He has worked with Newt Gingrich on several projects and they’ve done some creditable work on the EMP threat.

Perhaps the most heart-rending part of the book for me was what happened to the dogs. I’ve since stocked up with hundreds of pounds of a five-star dog food.

I don’t like the cities, generally, myself. San Francisco does have some good places to run, and I remember standing at the Coast Guard station there with the cold wind in my face, but a few good memories are not enough to give me a long-term tolerance of the place. Cities are going to be Hell in any SHTF scenario, any way you look at it.

I like backpacking and just being in the woods or in the mountains; always have. A week or so alone in the Sierra Madres or Big Bend suits me just fine.

Game animals will be in short supply in the day that everybody is out hunting them. That’s why many people have built chicken coops and are keeping laying hens and Guineas. Goats are getting more popular, too. Folks might have to get used to eating animals that they normally avoid, like nutria rats, raccoons, opossums, and snakes. It’s all good…

Like you, I do not believe that the American Redoubt is the only place to live. Witness the recent wildfires there. In any case, my wife would never live in any cold climate. She’s been all through the Redoubt on business, and she appreciates its beauty, but can’t stand the cold.

I think that no politician, American, Australian, or otherwise, has any business trying to bring to pass his own personal vision regarding guns or any other issue. They are supposed to be working for us! I just heard a talk show host on a left-wing radio station the other day say something like, “There is a compact between ourselves and government. Governmment gives us freedom, and we…”, but I couldn’t even think straight after that, I was so angry. I had to pull over in the grocery store parking lot. The government GIVES us our inalienable rights, granted by God? Yet, that is exactly what the left wing believes, and they aren’t too shy to say it out loud.

What a disgusting elitist Obama is. You might have heard this quote. Obama is speaking about people from the mid-west. “[I]t’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or antitrade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

I know there’s no strict correspondence between their attributes, but there are quite a few similarities between Obama and your ex-Senator Bob Brown, who spouted off with something like, “I don’t think we need hundreds of thousands of hand guns coming into Australia.” HE doesn’t think…etc. What a piece of work that guy is… Elitist control freaks know no season, no matter where they are from.

Good luck with your own self-reliance project there. I wish I could visit someday and try one of your crazy sports, like sailing a 12-foot skiff. I used to have my own 5.7 meter catamaran, but you guys take the cake, what with putting 700 feet of sail area on a 12 foot long dinghy! 😉

Ya Aussie that was the part of the article that had me chuckling and scratching my head…probably refers to the brain dead claims by the PTB that things are getting better…we all know it aint…but then we live in reality…and that’s not on any map held by the idiots running the show.

Nost of us now have seen the increases in food prices in the grocery stores. Even Walmart and Target have raised their food prices. Inflation is becoming a problem now whether one sees it or not. This combined with the 100% increases in zer0care are going to suck what is left of the average citizens disposable income right out of the economy. Even the wealthy are starting to cut back now.
With all of the Marxist taking office Jan 1 (NYC, Va Govenor, etc)one will see their taxes go up even more as the govt. ncrease the handouts….
I give it about 3 months before the economy starts to come to a grinding halt…..

Another scary issue is the continuesd talk of gun confiscation by the Govt and their propaganda ministers in the MSM…..

WA state automatically increases minimum wage to keep up with “the cost of living.” They’ve raised it as of today from $9.19/hr to $9.32/hr. Obviously they haven’t gotten the memo to deny the existence of inflation.

21Bravo,
I just looked at our grocery store’s ad flyer. For the South, these prices are outrageous. $2.50 for 20 tortillas, $10/pound for medium shrimp, $5/pound for tilapia, $5 for half a gallon of ice cream, $15 for a 12-pack of Corona beer. And that’s what’s on sale this week!

No changes will be made to close the earnings gap between the 1 percent and the rest of us. This is crony corrupt collectivist capitalism. No competition, no future. The majority cannot afford current prices of essential needs, much less ongoing price hikes in the immediate future. Instead of consumer spending being the reason for our survival, saving and preparing will stand a better chance for post SHTF actions to survive. Face it, for most of us the American dream died awhile back.

A rousing loud & proud all American HAPPY NEW YEAR 2014 SALUTE to all good people around the world who bust their ass to be the best that they can be & contonue to put their hearts & souls into being an asset to their fellow man & the good earth by caring, giving, working hard as hell, producing and fighting to save the last vestiges of freedom & independence here in the mighty USA & beyond. Godbless the producers & let us pray that the Obamasheep bloodsuckers discover their soul & conscience ASAP so as to ascend from the self inflicted abyss of denial & feebleness that is intentionally sucking the lifeblood out of the Last Best Place. Godspeed the warriors, God help the punks. Godbless America for the best year of our lives!

My wallet is empty. What are they going to take next? My bank account,my house,my car? I smell a Cyprus coming where they take all money in the banks,IRAs,retirement…. They have screwed up my healthcare too…no Christmas in 2014!

2014 is going to be a disaster. Not only higher medical premiums and deductibles but also a lot of people losing their full time jobs due to obamacare. Millions will go from 40 hours a week to 30 or 32 hours a week. The economy has been shrinking in real terms for the last 5 years. I expect that process to accelerate in 2014.

Treasury bond rates for the 10 year and the 30 year just hit 30 month highs. The government is about to see higher borrowing costs which will make people lose confidence in the government even further and become even more reluctant to lend the government money.

Just read an article the 3 out of the 4 National Football League’s playoff games are not sold out. This would be the first time since 1959 that Green bay failed to sell out all their tickets. While this is a tiny example of how people don’t have the money to blow, it is a tell-tale sign something. People are either no longer being idiots and wasting hundreds of dollars on entertainment, OR people just don’t have the money because the economy is not doing too well. I go with the second. Indianaolis and Cincinnati are the other two cities failing to sell out tickets. Philadelphia did sell out.

The ONLY time I have gone to profession football games is when I got FREE tickets. IF I ever get free tickets again, they will be scalped to some fool. I look at the price of some of these tickets, going $102 to $313 per ticket in Green Bay and I said to myself that a family of four with all the other high priced garbage at the football game could for one worthless afternoon have 90 to 120 days of food for emergency. This shows the simpleton and brain dead state of the non-prepper. Omit one studid afternoon at the football game in which it doesn’t matter if your team wins or is trounced and have some true security for your family WHEN A SHTF OCCURS.

$313 per ticket!. Is this stupid or what? Someone would be better off purchasing over a thousand Powerball tickets. At least they have a chance of hitting some real money, and probably get something back. To waste that kind of money for 3 maybe 4 hours of freezing your butt off in a stadium seeing a bunch of millionaries play a game is beyond me. Then that same f#$% head will be the one knocking on your door demanding that you fed their family. That is what firearms are for and a good aim.

It is no wonder the economy is so screwed up. People have absolutely no concept of value of money and especially what really is important in their pathetic lives. Like making sure your family is not screaming in agony from hunger pains or out licking the gutter for traces of water dying from dehydration WHEN a true disaster strikes. I guess you can’t expect anything but blockhead decisions by the non prepper.

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Another thing I noticed. The Biltmore of North Carolina had ads on every site I viewed for weeks.
I can remember when you had to reserve Christmas dinner or New Year’s dinner weeks ahead at that spot.
Telling, to say the least, that many places other than retail are hurting.

A big part of the problem is Parasite Taking individuals are being paid millions of dollars to chase balls! And those who are Producing Makers are merly swapping nickles. Boycott all sports . Boycott even the public schools sports. Why let you child help make a parasite coachs living? If no parents allowed their children to play High School Sports the athletic budget would be zero.

I never understood athletes making millions, either, old guy. I’ve always enjoyed running, martial arts, weight lifting, and shooting sports, but I couldn’t generate enough watts to be worth a million bucks if I worked 24/7 all year long!
What a scam sports have become over the last 50 years.

I think it was Saint Francis (or maybe Groucho Marx, one of those old philosophers) who said:
‘Lord give me the strength to endure the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.’

Wise words indeed. And, with that in mind, I offer a few tips for the coming year….

When the masses are buying, it’s probably time to sell.

When silver dips below $20… back up the truck.

When crowds gather in numbers larger than a family reunion, be as far from them as possible. (Karaoke night at the honky-tonk is the one exception, especially if you’re 3rd runner-up in the Garth Brooks sound alike competition)

And, don’t eat the potato salad at the family reunion.

Believe the opposite of what the mainstream media says.

Let your friends know that you value them.

Let your mate know, too.

Play some old Johnny Cash or Lynard Skynard songs. Sing along even if you’re off key.

Being vigilant is not the same as being paranoid. But, if you can’t do one without becoming the other, that’s okay too. We need a few paranoids among us (they’re like a front line alarm system).

When the stress of the day gets to be really bad, go burn a few rounds through your favorite firearm. It only takes a few and the stress relief is wonderful.

Take a break now and then. Don’t let the daily struggles keep you down. It’s okay to check out and go fishing for a while. Your friends in this community will carry on in your absence, and welcome you back when you get here.

“Lord, give me the strength to endure the hard times of the future, the courage to prepare for them even in the face of criticism, and the patience not to smack Professor ‘iggins upside his egotistical empty head when he spouts off. Amen.”

I think it was Reinhold Niebuhr who wrote that, Smoking, and it’s repeated by approximately 80 gillion alcoholics in meetings every week.

On the other hand Groucho is supposed to have said, “I would never be a member of any club that would have me as a member.” I take the same view, though my wife is a card-carrying member of Sam’s Club.

Happy NewYear shtf family. Been awhile since I posted 2 dead computers. And instead of buying new ones I installed a new woodburner.
For the subject of obamamablamacare its simply opt out. If enough people do not enroll it will fold under its own weight. For the New Year I plan to spend more time doing things that make me happy. Gardening,shooting, prepping and riding the motorcycles more.

Happy New Yrs neighbor, and yes it felt great I knew it could be saved so why not do the redneck thing and shoot the hell out of it. Lol keep them stories and jokes coming brother. I may not post alot but I do still read shtf everyday. Typing on this phone sucks.

Okay…I read many, many sites.
And one of the topics is ACA, the enrollment, and the money spent.
Now, if the projection of enrollees was only 7 million— yep, that’s what I read on many articles—and we all know the implementation of that stupid, incompetent website cost 600 billion, BEFORE the additional funds spent to get it where it is today…..what the hell are we doing spending that kind of money JUST on a website that doesn’t fricking work??
Now, only 1 million have signed onto the ACA–not paid yet—just signed on.
Imagine what 600 billion could have bought for the uninsured…oh, hell, wait!!!! Why didn’t we just give the damned 600 billion + to the uninsured, the ones with pre-existing conditions, etc??
Let me see, the projection was 7 million @ 600 billion {honestly nearing a trillion :-)}so that would have been $85,000 per enrollee. Gee, that would have been healthcare for years…but what do I know?? 😉

Long story short—this stupid damned govt. will NEVER recover that 600 billion + spent on that dumb website–ever!!

Happy New Yr, I thought the cost of the ACA website was 643 million? Either way what a waste. Americans for the most part ain’t that dumb. Affordable my ass, don’t piss down my back and tell me its raining D.C.

I resolve to be less tolerant of stupid bureaucrats in all government offices.
I resolve to be much less polite to idiots, with or without a uniform.
I resolve to finish the 2nd still (it’s for fuel, honest)
I resolve to spend more time fishing.
I resolve to cut in half the time spent worrying about what others think of me (That brings it down to about 18 seconds a month, I can spare that much)
I resolve to listen to more Smokey Robinson and less talk radio.
I will continue watching approximately zero minutes of television per day. (youtube doesn’t count. besides, Live From Daryl’s House and original Twilight Zone episodes are cultural, not entertainment)
I resolve to let mrs okie win at least half our arguments (no, wait. she already wins ’em all. never mind)
I resolve to tell my 75 yr old Mama I love her everyday.
I resolve to listen more and speak less (ha! like that’s really gonna happen!)
I resolve to be a redder red-neck, a trashier white trash, a preppier prepper, a better friend to my friends and a hell of a lot worse enemies to my enemies.

END LIST….
Well, that about covers it (except for the one about rebuilding the engine in the old Ford pick-up. After 11 years, my conscience won’t even let me list it anymore)

The economy will flourish in 2014 but it won’t be the economy we once knew. It is now fully a bifarcated economy, and what matters is which side of the bifarcation you are on.

Most people cannot understand this and think today’s economy needs most people to consume to keep going. But, in fact, the economy does not need most people if they are obese, lazy, poorly educated, poorly motivated, or of poor gene stock. Why? Because we are now in a new technological age in which wealth creation now does not need the toil of the masses. The masses, if they are stupid, fat (a massive healthcare burden), and physically/visually unappealing (visual pollution), now do not fit within the world today. Markets can afford to choose: they can travel the earth to find the most beautiful, the smartest and fittest people to provide the bounty of the earth to.

This puts most Americans at a severe disadvantage, as they struggle with ‘weight issues’ and continue to score poorly in educational tests.

The Great Bifarcation will be a Great Age but it will not be for everyone. Disease and poor health and poor survival habits will make daily life for those on the wrong side of the bifarcation nasty, brutish and short.

These figures were compiled using social security stats. That means income subject to social security taxes. This excludes any investment income including rental, interest, stocks and business owners who keep personal incomes as low as possible. The low figures are close to reality although unreported income likely would increase all levels. I wouldn’t put any credibility in government numbers.

So much propaganda is floating around you simply have to read between the lines. The year change is just time marching on, the problems in our world do not watch the time or date. It will fall apart, and guessing when is useless, hell I thought it would have crashed by now, but here we are in 2014.

47% of Congress are Millionares , let that sink in
Less than 1% of the population are Millionares and that number is falling ,where the members of congress with weath is actually growing
Thus ends your lesson in getting fucked

“How Will The Economy Improve In 2014 If Almost Everyone Has Less Money To Spend?”

Easy… the current administration will tell the FED to print more money and then they will tell their talking heads (Carney et al) to tell the media that “in 2014 the U.S. economy is improving” and then the media will tell the rest of the nation.

Never mind the stats which will say otherwise, in fact, the masses of sheeple won’t even think to do research for themselves but will be too busy cheering Obama and his cronies that he has ‘saved our economy’!

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