[15:58:14]<Kev> Tobias: Where's the difftool? I've forgotten[15:58:19]<stpeter> David Banes: you can even say things -- but only Council members have a vote[15:58:38]<David Banes> OK, thnx .[15:58:42]<waqas> Does someone have a link to the agenda?

[16:05:11]<Kev> 2) Agenda bashing.[16:05:45]<Kev> No? Good.[16:05:57]<Kev> 3) http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/vcard4.htmlAccept as a XEP?[16:06:04]<linuxwolf> +1 (-:[16:06:23]<ralphm> +1[16:06:23]<ralphm> I have severe lag[16:06:26]<Kev> There are little inconsistencies here, like saying to dump the <vcards/> wrapper, but then having examples that include it, but I'm happy to publish.[16:06:42]<ralphm> on 2), there were some suggestions. Not sure what to do[16:06:43]<stpeter> Kev: yeah I tried to clean it up while in Brussels but didn't quite finish, I think[16:06:58]<linuxwolf> I'll work with the author or the editor on that[16:07:13]<Kev> ralphm: You mean you have agenda bashing?[16:08:18]<ralphm> Kev: well you said you were adding stuff to the agenda, but I didn't see an updated one.[16:08:51]<Kev> ralphm: I thought it was a given that once I'd said 'these are on the agenda' that I didn't need to send out an updated one.

[16:12:28]<stpeter> I poked the Jingle list and several Collabora contributors about 276[16:12:45]<stpeter> the others could always be resurrected in the future if desired[16:12:52]<stpeter> I just wanted to keep the Council in the loop[16:12:56]<Kev> It only takes an update :)[16:13:01]<stpeter> yep[16:13:15]<Kev> 6) Date of next meeting.[16:13:19]<stpeter> waqas: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/council[16:13:21]<dwd> I may choose to resurrect 277 at some stage, but not right now.[16:13:26]<Kev> Next Wednesday, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel?[16:13:29]<ralphm> xep-0277 needs some use cases[16:13:51]<stpeter> dwd: yes I think it's a bit early for the microblogging stuff, and others are more interested in it than I am, it seems[16:13:53]<dwd> ralphm, The big problem is that there are two quite distinct models, and we need to pick one.[16:13:56]*stpeter nods to ralphm[16:13:58]<ralphm> also, I am more interested in a slightly broader scope[16:14:05]<ralphm> (than pure microblogging)

[16:14:11]<stpeter> Kev: works for me[16:14:14]<dwd> ralphm, macroblogging?[16:14:27]<ralphm> dwd: well, we shove around quite some atom ovre xmpp[16:14:29]<David Banes> fyi - there was a general feeling at SeaBeyond that xep-0277 wasn't a lot of use in it's current form .. just 'sayin[16:14:34]<dwd> ralphm, Like microblogging, except there's a minimum number of characters.[16:14:37]<ralphm> for federation purposes[16:14:42]<ralphm> including activity streams[16:14:43]*stpeter adds next week's Council meeting to the calendar[16:14:47]<Kev> Thanks.[16:14:52]<Kev> 7) AOB[16:14:56]<stpeter> David Banes: yes that seems to be the general feeling all around[16:15:02]<Kev> Oh, right.

[16:15:04]<Kev> GSoC.[16:15:07]<stpeter> ah yes[16:15:12]<stpeter> already? ;-)[16:15:13]<Kev> I'm assuming we're applying again.[16:15:31]<Kev> I saw bear announce that he was going to be admin this year, so I guess Board have discussed this, but I didn't notice the minutes :)[16:15:53]<ralphm> David Banes: I didn't get into good talks with the other people around at FOSDEM to talk much about this, unfortunately[16:16:04]<Kev> In any case, I'd like to check that we don't have another FOSDEM falling-through-the-cracks.[16:16:19]<stpeter> yeah[16:16:33]<stpeter> we also need to think about a North American summit[16:16:35]<Kev> We should think about sorting out proposals etc. in advance of orgs applying, ideally.[16:16:38]<stpeter> (if desired)[16:16:43]<stpeter> Kev: yes[16:17:12]<Kev> Swift is probably in a state to put a couple of proposals up this year. Albeit we'd be terribly elitist about what we wanted in a student :)[16:17:30]<Kev> Simon's spoken to me about wanting to do BuddyCloud proposals under the XSF umbrella.[16:18:03]<ralphm> Kev: how is that bad?[16:18:03]<ralphm> Oh nice[16:18:34]*linuxwolf doesn't seem the inherent problem with elitism[16:19:02]<Kev> So I think what we need is for Board to make a decision about who's responsible for this (and maybe it's already done so and I missed the minutes) so I can start beating them over the head to make sure they do everything.

[16:19:12]<Kev> I note that I'm idling in the gsoc channel already.[16:19:30]<Kev> When's the next Board meeting anyhow? I couldn't find it in the calendar when I looked yesterday.[16:19:52]<stpeter> Kev: I haven't seen a Board decision about this, and will poke their list about having a meeting next week

[16:20:32]<Kev> I think we suffered last year from not being organised enough in advance, so I'd like us to do better this year.[16:20:46]<Kev> And ideally I'd like someone else to be doing it :D[16:20:52]<stpeter> :)[16:21:15]<Kev> (Although I'm happy to be admin again, like last year)[16:21:21]<stpeter> Board list poked[16:21:24]<Kev> Ta.[16:21:41]<Kev> Is the Board list public-membership these days?[16:22:30]<stpeter> Kev: no, but the meetings are held in the open xsf@muc.xmpp.org room[16:22:30]<Kev> Well, this isn't really Council-relevant now.[16:22:43]<Kev> Any other AOB?[16:22:53]<Kev> stpeter: Right, it's just hard to know when the meetings are without listening to the list :)[16:22:54]<stpeter> oh[16:23:04]<stpeter> Kev: right, the calendar should be updated[16:23:09]<stpeter> I have AOB[16:23:12]<Kev> Shoot.[16:23:13]<stpeter> file transfer

[16:24:17]<stpeter> after 47 I think we could do Jingle IBB = XEP-0261[16:24:36]<stpeter> so I will continue to poke various lists and people about that[16:24:52]<stpeter> perhaps 47 can be on the agenda for next week's Council meeting[16:24:52]<Kev> Ok.

[16:25:18]<stpeter> in parallel, I will start a thread about 65 (one major open issue)[16:25:22]<stpeter> and update 234[16:25:34]<stpeter> (to reflect Brussels discussions)[16:25:35]<Kev> By 'on the agenda', you mean there's a new version to vote on, or you'd like to LC it?

[16:31:45]<ralphm> stpeter: I found the sessions on i18n pretty good, but am unsure how "we" should proceed[16:31:57]<ralphm> sure the precis wg is a collection of people[16:32:13]<ralphm> but some hints for contributing meaningfully would be useful[16:32:30]<Tobias> Kev: thanks for the reminder..i'll try to bring in back this evening :)[16:32:37]<Kev> Tobias: Fab, thanks.[16:32:51]<ralphm> I'm not sure how many people had any idea of what to do

[17:06:19]<bear> kev - I didn't announce that I had decided, I said that if the board agreed to do GSoC I could be the org admin [17:06:50]<Kev> bear: Ok, I misread. I was sure I saw "I'm the GSoC admin".[17:07:17]<bear> maybe that was my "trying to be cute and funny" english #fail