Originally posted by Eternal Idol Sanders didn't denounce the wealthy simply because they were wealthy, and therefore morally bankrupt people. He attacked the systems in place that make them as wealthy as they are, while simultaneously screwing over the middle class and the poor: tax breaks, tax loopholes, tax havens, low minimum wage, lax environmental policies, lax international trade/business policies, and politicians in their pockets to ensure their votes go toward laws which benefit them.

That's quite a difference from saying rich people are bad because they have more money than anyone else.

Sure. The deck is stacked rhetoric. Even successful rich people admit as much.

The problem is, it's just rhetoric. Everyone works the crowds like this, but nobody actually does anything about it.

Ratings were slightly up this week, especially for MNF. As I mentioned earlier, given the base of NFL fans, ratings are going to swing, period. We shouldn't be trying to read much into them until we have seasons' worth of data.

That actually mirrors the interview Mike Tomlin gave on this before the game. This was legitimately the intent of the team, to stay unified without requiring everyone to choose sides. As it happens, it's been wildly misinterpreted, as you're a prime example of. As I say, listening is important.

Originally posted by Digi Ratings were slightly up this week, especially for MNF. As I mentioned earlier, given the base of NFL fans, ratings are going to swing, period. We shouldn't be trying to read much into them until we have seasons' worth of data.

That actually mirrors the interview Mike Tomlin gave on this before the game. This was legitimately the intent of the team, to stay unified without requiring everyone to choose sides. As it happens, it's been wildly misinterpreted, as you're a prime example of. As I say, listening is important.

Originally posted by Sable Nope sorry. He wanted to have it both ways. Didn't work.

Tomlin? Or Rooney? Tomlin was quite clear about the intent of it, before it happened, before the need for any spin due to it being misinterpreted. I think in ignoring his words entirely, and in fact believing the opposite in spite of his words, you're projecting your biases onto others to an extreme degree.

Go watch the Tomlin interview before the game, maybe? It's clear you haven't, and you only want to accept one version of this entire story.

Originally posted by Sable It doesn't change he vilified them. People are sheep, if they hear him attacking millionaires and billionaires it just gives them confirmation bias.

Vilify implies he slandered them using unfounded claims. That's not what he did, and backed up his statements against them with evidence. What else stopped the Waltons, the Kochs, or any other persons mentioned from suing Sanders for slander and libel? Probably that there was truth to what Sanders was saying.

Lots of people are impressionable and easily swayed without much forethought into what they support. Does their existence make you a conservative sheep, or me a progressive sheep, even if there is truth/merit in what we support?

Originally posted by cdtm Sure. The deck is stacked rhetoric. Even successful rich people admit as much.

The problem is, it's just rhetoric. Everyone works the crowds like this, but nobody actually does anything about it.

Maybe Bernie would be different, maybe not. I kind of doubt it.

Personally, I think the fact that Sanders actively fought for improving the laws and systems in place well before and after his presidential campaign speaks for itself.

Back to the topic, these clips of ex-fans burning their memorabilia are rather pathetic. Those clothes, blankets, and hats could have gone to help others. One lady mentioned selling what could be sold and donating to charity supporting veterans, and that seemed like a better way to get your point across and by simply burning it all. One guy was burning personal gifts from his daughter and grandkids, another was ranting about football players disrespecting veterans and Jesus.

I've been listening to Stevie Wonder records all week, sometimes it takes a blind man to see things as they really are. I bet Stevie could get his best-selling record in two decades if he released now.

Originally posted by Robtard Exactly, it's personal property, let them do whatever within legal means. Granted, they're utter retards for getting bent out of shape because some people kneeled, but in the end it's their property.

Ok, so they got bent out of shape because all but one member of the team stayed off the field until the anthem was over. Villanueva and the rest of the team have come out to say that him standing out there alone was not part of the plan they had come up with as a team.