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I've clearly made the distinction of what I consider a "proper" city. I'd expect that pedantry from "other" contributors but not you truman

St Davids is a historical anomaly.

Nothing on the south coast then, Portsmouth or Southhampton?

York, Newcastle, Derby, Liverpool...

London plus Bristol & Liverpool (which I included) have been used as portals to the sea. You have to draw the line somewhere. I've been to Southampton and Portsmouth, whilst not wanting to dismiss their maritime achievements they aren't major Cities.

Of course if you like, yeah there are 20-30 major Cities in England, but truman asked for my definition of a "proper" city and I gave it.

I'm not really sure what this is all about or where its going. The point is that Sheffield is and has always been considered a proper city. Not a parochial little town which some guy said.

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not much can be done about the road layouts, its not like they can start doing wholesale house and business demolition to widen roads and build new ones.

They could stop inserting no left turn, no right turn, traffic lights every 50 yards, bus lanes (mostly empty), bus gates, closed roads, bollards and speed bumps you can only navigate at 5 mph.

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I've clearly made the distinction of what I consider a "proper" city. I'd expect that pedantry from "other" contributors but not you truman

St Davids is a historical anomaly.

London plus Bristol & Liverpool (which I included) have been used as portals to the sea. You have to draw the line somewhere. I've been to Southampton and Portsmouth, whilst not wanting to dismiss their maritime achievements they aren't major Cities.

Of course if you like, yeah there are 20-30 major Cities in England, but truman asked for my definition of a "proper" city and I gave it.

I'm not really sure what this is all about or where its going. The point is that Sheffield is and has always been considered a proper city. Not a parochial little town which some guy said.

Fair enough, I guess we can all form our own definitions for things... It could make conversation difficult though.

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Never known such a small town have so many badly designed road junctions, roundabouts, insane road planning with almost no cycle infrastructure.

If Sheffield was full of grade 1&2 listed buildings I could slightly understand. But this town is almost a blank canvas, it has an abundance of empty space and half empty non listed buildings which make it very easy for planners to improve traffic flow, junctions, roundabouts provide space for pedestrians and segregated cycle paths.

Coventry - the ring road at least - is far worse.

(And it's difficult to think of a city that had more of a "blank canvas" than that one)