Fairfax County General :
Fairfax Underground
Welcome to Fairfax Underground, a project site designed to improve communication among residents of Fairfax County, VA. Feel free to post anything Northern Virginia residents would find interesting.

eggsactly Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ydywm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't see why it is a big deal to post
> > government salaries. Heck, the Fed has a
> > searchable website where you can look up any
> fed
> > employee salary history.
>
> lol @ leaked. Gubmint employee salary is public
> information and often in the newspapers.

The problem I have with posting information on County employees is that, unlike politicians or those appointed to political/government posts, teachers don't choose to be in the limelight. At what point should a county employee's privacy be protected and respected? This list wasn't just teachers, mind you, it was also custodial staff.

loewenheim Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> eggsactly Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ydywm Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I don't see why it is a big deal to post
> > > government salaries. Heck, the Fed has a
> > > searchable website where you can look up any
> > fed
> > > employee salary history.
> >
> > lol @ leaked. Gubmint employee salary is public
> > information and often in the newspapers.
>
> The problem I have with posting information on
> County employees is that, unlike politicians or
> those appointed to political/government posts,
> teachers don't choose to be in the limelight. At
> what point should a county employee's privacy be
> protected and respected? This list wasn't just
> teachers, mind you, it was also custodial staff.

They are public employees. This is all obtainable by FIOA. There is nothing illegal about any of this. Any one of you can obtain this information. Government employees (including teachers, custodians, administrative staff) know this is public information.

Glad OP feels accomplished spending so much time posting public knowledge, sad it took so long to do so. Everyone else who keeps feeding off of it and asking for names go look them up... Was this OP's temper tantrum for being stuck home with kids and a way to FU the county? Hope ya know we have more snow days to come!

KMEDE Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 9EKNW Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why are PE teachers making upwards of $100k
> almost
> > doubling the salaries of real teachers (math,
> > eng,etc). That shit doesn’t make any sense.
>
> Can't you read? It's partly because of length of
> service. A 55 year old PE teacher that has been
> working FCPS for 30 years is going to be making
> more money than a 31 year old math teacher that is
> their 6th year.

The absurdity of why and how a PE teacher makes more than real teachers is what was being pointed out but you apparently need special instructions. Get off your high horse because you felt like you accomplished something by trying to correct a poster, instead take that dildo out your ass and stop being a dick.

All you have to do is ask a teacher how long they have been in and what level of education they have to know their salary. The pay scale is always publicly available! So fucking what? Fairfax county has a $980m school budget (also public knowledge), runs the Nation's largest school bus fleet, transports more students, and pioneered public school magnet and special needs programs that schools across the nation use as a model for their own programs. The only thing you've proven here it that your boss Probably pays YOU too much because you spend all your time trolling the internet for the purpose of attempting to slander hard working public servants! Fairfax pays teachers well. I get it. That must be why many drive from neighboring counties (and sometimes much farther) to work for them. And nevermind the endless layers of bureaucracy that each teacher has to weed through just to teach a lesson. And nevermind the antagonistic parents that they have to deal with constantly who blame the problems their snowflake brats are having on teachers who end up shouldering the burden of trying to adjust so many of these miscrient pests you people call offspring. Take a fucking day off and spend it with your fucking kids and maybe you'll figure out why they're so messed up. Put your money where your mouth is and act like family is most important to you like you always tout on your social media pages. Better yet, find a better use of your time than harassing public employees who YOU count on every day just because you're inconvenienced.

None of them make over $12k/year. Living here in fairfax. Even the kitchen managers make no more than $25k.

Even Panera Bread and Starbucks pays $10/hour now.

Perfect part-time job for a housewife-type who has kids at home and needs a bit of extra cash every month - yet all I see are hispanic and middle eastern names on this list.

Do no white or black women want the job- or do they just not get hired because middle easterners tend to hire only other middle easterners and hispanics only hire other hispanics??? Are they even legal? Do they even speak english? How did they get through the interview if they cannot speak english? Hmmmmm.....

FCPS hiring illegals?? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I feel sorry for the food service workers.
>
> None of them make over $12k/year. Living here in
> fairfax. Even the kitchen managers make no more
> than $25k.
>
> Even Panera Bread and Starbucks pays $10/hour
> now.
>
> Perfect part-time job for a housewife-type who has
> kids at home and needs a bit of extra cash every
> month - yet all I see are hispanic and middle
> eastern names on this list.
>
> Do no white or black women want the job- or do
> they just not get hired because middle easterners
> tend to hire only other middle easterners and
> hispanics only hire other hispanics??? Are they
> even legal? Do they even speak english? How did
> they get through the interview if they cannot
> speak english? Hmmmmm.....

Most of the cashiers are white/black. some might be Hispanic but since they work at a high hispanic school they don't have to speak English. The one that will served the food don't speak English and most of them are Asians/middle eastern.

US Navy Capt of Nuke Carrier Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 20 years in, 5000 under his command, Totally 100%
> responsible for the ship and crew maybe 115-118 K
> a year. Many other US Military the same. Plus
> Their lives on the line.
>
> Hack teachers and BS staffers are Way overpaid.
>
> Professional Tax Payers Wallet "Siphon Hose
> Operator" I II Or III Should be their Titles

Simmer down skipper. Spend a day locked up with your brats and you'll understand teachers are not overpaid.

I was in the army for ten years and I never felt underpaid. Free housing, free education, free food, free transportation, free clothes, free physical fitness training, lots of great friends... not sure what the big deal is. In fact, I argue I was probably overpaid. I think most of our military is overpaid considering the perks.

>specially the support staff such as custodial workers, bus drivers, and bus attendants - is just wrong. The county gets its money's worth out of these people.

And they don't make 90 k a year with automatic raises for 15 hrs toward the next degree, for 9 3/4 or 10 months a years work.

Anyone other then teachers that get a degree have to apply for a job that demands it and raises are given for increased responsibilities and good work in private industry. The automatic raise's with 15 hour increments toward the next degree is why some of these teachers are so highly paid without any extra responsibilities or good work.

Custodians and maintenance work 12 months a year, food services 9 3/4 bus drivers mostly are part time and I agree they get their moneys worth from their services.

I am a teacher in Fairfax County and I can say that I am overpaid. I work 1/2 the year. I only work six hours a day. I don't really do much other than tell kids to be quiet and raise their hand when they need to use the bathroom.

TaxedPerson92 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Teachers are way overpaid. They work half the
> year, so multiply all of those salaries by 2.
>
> Now, they don't come close to what I make (well
> into the 400s), but I actually work hard to earn
> that salary.
>
> Not like these lazy teachers and janitors.

Your ignorance shines through your writing. You couldn't possibly earn what you claim.

Teacher44 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I am a teacher in Fairfax County and I can say
> that I am overpaid. I work 1/2 the year. I only
> work six hours a day. I don't really do much other
> than tell kids to be quiet and raise their hand
> when they need to use the bathroom.

TaxedPerson92 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Teachers are way overpaid. They work half the
> year, so multiply all of those salaries by 2.
>
> Now, they don't come close to what I make (well
> into the 400s), but I actually work hard to earn
> that salary.
>
> Not like these lazy teachers and janitors.

There are 52 weeks in a year. Half a year would be 26 weeks. Teachers work 39 weeks in a year.

Math much? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> TaxedPerson92 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Teachers are way overpaid. They work half the
> > year, so multiply all of those salaries by 2.
> >
> > Now, they don't come close to what I make (well
> > into the 400s), but I actually work hard to
> earn
> > that salary.
> >
> > Not like these lazy teachers and janitors.
>
> There are 52 weeks in a year. Half a year would be
> 26 weeks. Teachers work 39 weeks in a year.

Actually, we work 41 weeks a year. 4 quarters of 10 weeks each and then another full week before the kids start school.

loewenheim Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Math much? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TaxedPerson92 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Teachers are way overpaid. They work half the
> > > year, so multiply all of those salaries by 2.
>
> > >
> > > Now, they don't come close to what I make
> (well
> > > into the 400s), but I actually work hard to
> > earn
> > > that salary.
> > >
> > > Not like these lazy teachers and janitors.
> >
> > There are 52 weeks in a year. Half a year would
> be
> > 26 weeks. Teachers work 39 weeks in a year.
>
> Actually, we work 41 weeks a year. 4 quarters of
> 10 weeks each and then another full week before
> the kids start school.

I took 194 days and divided by 5 days a week, which equaled just under 39 weeks.

Math much? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> TaxedPerson92 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Teachers are way overpaid. They work half the
> > year, so multiply all of those salaries by 2.
> >
> > Now, they don't come close to what I make (well
> > into the 400s), but I actually work hard to
> earn
> > that salary.
> >
> > Not like these lazy teachers and janitors.
>
> There are 52 weeks in a year. Half a year would be
> 26 weeks. Teachers work 39 weeks in a year.

I'm only half interested in this thread, but it's got to be less than 39 weeks when snow days, winter (2 weeks) and spring (1 week) breaks, holidays (7 excluding Christmas and New Year) are included. Probably closer to 35 weeks.

11313- exactly right on teachers working more like 35 weeks...and remember the work week is only 37.5 hours and this does not include lame teacher work days, early releases, 2 hour delays, etc.

So as someone who did pretty well in math, we need to compare apples to apples which would mean teachers salaries need to be quoted in rate per hour. Being that they "work" 35 weeks and most in private sector work 49 weeks per year (2 weeks vacation, 5 holidays), let's open entitled teachers eyes to the fact that their hourly rate far exceeds accountants, most lawyers, registered nurses, and several other professions. You can do a google search about an article that spells this out clearly.

Eye Opening Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 11313- exactly right on teachers working more
> like 35 weeks...and remember the work week is only
> 37.5 hours and this does not include lame teacher
> work days, early releases, 2 hour delays, etc.
>
> So as someone who did pretty well in math, we need
> to compare apples to apples which would mean
> teachers salaries need to be quoted in rate per
> hour. Being that they "work" 35 weeks and most in
> private sector work 49 weeks per year (2 weeks
> vacation, 5 holidays), let's open entitled
> teachers eyes to the fact that their hourly rate
> far exceeds accountants, most lawyers, registered
> nurses, and several other professions. You can do
> a google search about an article that spells this
> out clearly.

This is a another beauty, none of this is correct information. Keep the comedy coming please...

Teachers even with summer and "breaks" are 9 1/2 to 10 month employees. They often put in 12 to 16 hour days. Most pay out of pocket for student materials. Teacher work days involve classes and there's constant licensure compliance which is fine, but to argue teachers are overpaid needs to break down the hours and education requirements.

if you think your response sheds any light on teacher's behalf, go work in public sector where it's required to actually be at work 50 weeks a year regardless of weather, early releases, delayed starts...and we don't get "workdays" to banter about planning and ideas and schedule and believe it or not, we work well beyond 8 hr days without additional compensation PLUS without benefits of a generous pension, minimal costs for health insurance, personal days, etc so...no, it's this teacher who has this all wrong.

Taxpayers are sick of going to work every day, day in and day out to support a bunch of entitled county whining teachers (this is aimed at ones who have salaries in the 80s, 90s, 100s, not the early eager trying to do the right thing teachers who are not soaking off system but actually being paid a deserving salary).

Eye Opening Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Man, teachers really need help in understanding
> how this all works...
>
> if you think your response sheds any light on
> teacher's behalf, go work in public sector where
> it's required to actually be at work 50 weeks a
> year regardless of weather, early releases,
> delayed starts...and we don't get "workdays" to
> banter about planning and ideas and schedule and
> believe it or not, we work well beyond 8 hr days
> without additional compensation PLUS without
> benefits of a generous pension, minimal costs for
> health insurance, personal days, etc so...no,
> it's this teacher who has this all wrong.
>
> Taxpayers are sick of going to work every day, day
> in and day out to support a bunch of entitled
> county whining teachers (this is aimed at ones who
> have salaries in the 80s, 90s, 100s, not the early
> eager trying to do the right thing teachers who
> are not soaking off system but actually being paid
> a deserving salary).

Thanks!!! Again,

"Man, teachers really need help in understanding how this all works..."

How What all works Sir? As if every job in the private sector pays the same. How much does a orthodontist make for every mouth? a doctor for every patient? Bartender for every drink. How much does the greeter at Walmart make???... All different Salaries.. Jack Ass!!! Obviously your job sucks....

Budget meeting is on the 24 of February
also if you look at there slide the county missed its funding goals by almost 50% this year... the truth is that there are a lot of fcps and ffcg staff really do not get paid based on the good that they do to the county

look into the Subcontracters
FFC has wisely or not moved a lot of its public serves into the privet sector Kane and the board of supervisors sold us all out years ago
we need to wake up to this

theoverfather Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Budget meeting is on the 24 of February
> also if you look at there slide the county missed
> its funding goals by almost 50% this year...
> the truth is that there are a lot of fcps and ffcg
> staff really do not get paid based on the good
> that they do to the county
>
> look into the Subcontracters
> FFC has wisely or not moved a lot of its public
> serves into the privet sector Kane and the board
> of supervisors sold us all out years ago
> we need to wake up to this

Fairfax County teacher salary is based on two things:
1. Education level
2. Years of experience
Hard work, motivation, teaching effectiveness, subject matter, grade level etc. are irrelevant.
Yes, the most motivated teachers are often near the bottom of the pay scale. They're young and haven't burned out yet. It takes 20-25 years to rise to the top. Try dealing with over privileged Fairfax kids and their helicopter parents for 25 years--you'll see why the highest paid are often not the most excited.
Art teachers often appear high on the Fairfax list because they often stay with the county longer than other teachers. You'll notice that a lot of the salaries are in the 40-50k range. That salary corresponds with an early career teacher. Most Fairfax teachers do not stay with the county for long. Many change careers or move to more affordable areas. Art teachers are less mobile than other teachers. There are fewer openings and it's more difficult to switch careers so they tend to hold on to the positions they get.

And some of the highly paid teachers on list worked other careers for years...then join FCPS getting step credits and enter making 80s & 90s for a 35 week a year job and teaching things like heath education, dental hygiene, plumbing to adults. Its ridiculous to pay these salaries when college faculty don't get paid anywhere near these salaries. Something is very wrong with this picture. Government waste on backs of taxpayers....

Whiny Teachers Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And some of the highly paid teachers on list
> worked other careers for years...then join FCPS
> getting step credits and enter making 80s & 90s
> for a 35 week a year job and teaching things like
> heath education, dental hygiene, plumbing to
> adults. Its ridiculous to pay these salaries when
> college faculty don't get paid anywhere near these
> salaries. Something is very wrong with this
> picture. Government waste on backs of
> taxpayers....

You don't get step credits unless it was public school teaching experience. Not sure what you are talking about. We do have people who worked other careers and come in making 50,000.

Gmetyy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fairfax County teacher salary is based on two
> things:
> 1. Education level
> 2. Years of experience
> Hard work, motivation, teaching effectiveness,
> subject matter, grade level etc. are irrelevant.
> Yes, the most motivated teachers are often near
> the bottom of the pay scale. They're young and
> haven't burned out yet. It takes 20-25 years to
> rise to the top. Try dealing with over privileged
> Fairfax kids and their helicopter parents for 25
> years--you'll see why the highest paid are often
> not the most excited.
> Art teachers often appear high on the Fairfax list
> because they often stay with the county longer
> than other teachers. You'll notice that a lot of
> the salaries are in the 40-50k range. That salary
> corresponds with an early career teacher. Most
> Fairfax teachers do not stay with the county for
> long. Many change careers or move to more
> affordable areas. Art teachers are less mobile
> than other teachers. There are fewer openings and
> it's more difficult to switch careers so they tend
> to hold on to the positions they get.

What I gather from your post is that an employee is rewarded in their salary for long tenure. Sounds like good business. Not necessarily the way things are done now-a-days but still, good business.

Jdhfud Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The salary is based on education and years of
> service, not the perceived importance of the
> subject taught, or school they are in

NO. Not true! My mother is on this list, and she has been a KINDERGARTEN teacher for over 25 years now! There is no reason she should be making as little as she does! A lot of these teachers are doing so much for the county and educating our children every single day and doing the most... but making under 50k a year. REDICULOUS!

Salaries are based on time in the system and your degree ... that's it. Doesn't matter what grade you teach. Now if your mom came over from another district, they may not have given her credit for all the time at the previous district. Or, maybe she really didn't work ten of those and was just out banging guys all day long instead of actually working.

hyegafd Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jdhfud Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The salary is based on education and years of
> > service, not the perceived importance of the
> > subject taught, or school they are in
>
>
> NO. Not true! My mother is on this list, and she
> has been a KINDERGARTEN teacher for over 25 years
> now! There is no reason she should be making as
> little as she does! A lot of these teachers are
> doing so much for the county and educating our
> children every single day and doing the most...
> but making under 50k a year. REDICULOUS!

If your spelling is any indication of how well she teaches then she deserves only $50k after 25yrs

IDC bout the teachers, atleast they something through out the day. I see the well paid cops here hangin out at starbucks allday dolin out tickets over trivial traffic shi. They don't deserve their pay.

JerryDanders Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> IDC bout the teachers, atleast they something
> through out the day. I see the well paid cops here
> hangin out at starbucks allday dolin out tickets
> over trivial traffic shi. They don't deserve their
> pay.

I for one am proud of the teachers. Well underpaid for what they do. For the ones that people perceive is a high salary these teachers have years in service and higher educational degrees. What most people should spend time focusing on is the lack of decent pay. These are the people educating our workforce.

Teachers are good. They do not get paid nearly what they are worth. Parents should appreciate and support their child(rens) teachers not treat them like low class servants. If you have any sense, you will know why that is so. OP is a faggot.

layslow Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> .. The Numbers must be old... mine is $1600. too
> low.. and of course that doesn't cover overtime
> and summer school....(although we don't get much
> overtime anymore..BD)

What position do you have that earns overtime? Most of the listed are salaries and not OT eligible.

oh shit tru, some yall b making too much bank tf. ps petras makes more than that shit so add some dollar signs bitch. Also, some these pussy bitches aka. Mr. Ayoub is making too much for his headass. bitch he sucks ass periodt

oh shit tru, some yall bitches b making too much bank and the Petras' make more money than that shit so add some dollar signs bitches. Also, Ryan Ayoub stays making too much money for a criminal but that's none of my business. Also, I ain't no pussy bitch periodt