Which universe of super beings would beat the other, in an all out brawl?

Then GL vs Phoenix....non dark I suppose.
What about any of Galactus' other heralds besides SS or Spidey with Power Cosmic or Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet/Cosmic Cube etc. They're all pretty high up there.

burlivesleftnut wrote:Well that's only natural for any character who gets more attention. And especially for super-powered folks. Writers and fans and artists all want to see the edge pushed, but that doesn't mean the enhancement or change is invalid. It might be nonsensical and borderline ALF, but it's still valid.

I totally agree with you, Burl. r8hitman was just getting pissy about Batman being "uber-pumped" b/c fans liked him. And I was trying to make the point you just made (which you did much better) that the same went for Wolverine...and every other character ever written.

It's not just about him getting "uber-pumped"......it's about how pumped his character is getting in comparison to other characters, and how silly it's starting to get.

I dont care how much you want to say Wolverine, Spiderman, or any other "average" hero is pumped up.....there is a fucking limit.

To put Batman on Superman's level just takes the fucking cake.

Think about my analogy......
How would it look if a storyline were to suggest that Wolverine could defeat Galactus.

It's fucking absurd.

Batman has no chance against Superman. For anyone to suggest otherwise says to me that you're either arguing just for the sake of arguing, or maybe you're sitting somewhere getting stoned out of your mind coming up with all of these insane possibilities, or you're just an extreme Batman geek/fanboy and absolutely REFUSE to see things any differently.

See, I dont even follow Superman comics (never really did either) but I have enough common sense to know when someone is seriously outclassed.

C'mon now fellas....

You need to stop swinging and just man up and admit that Batman would get his ass whupped every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Chairman Kaga wrote:Then GL vs Phoenix....non dark I suppose. What about any of Galactus' other heralds besides SS or Spidey with Power Cosmic or Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet/Cosmic Cube etc. They're all pretty high up there.

I will add GL vs. the other Heralds if you want, but who really gives a flip about any of the Heralds other than Silver Surfer? But speaking of cosmic powers and such, I will add GL vs. Nova though since Nova is off the fucking chain right now.

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burlivesleftnut wrote:Well that's only natural for any character who gets more attention. And especially for super-powered folks. Writers and fans and artists all want to see the edge pushed, but that doesn't mean the enhancement or change is invalid. It might be nonsensical and borderline ALF, but it's still valid.

I totally agree with you, Burl. r8hitman was just getting pissy about Batman being "uber-pumped" b/c fans liked him. And I was trying to make the point you just made (which you did much better) that the same went for Wolverine...and every other character ever written.

It's not just about him getting "uber-pumped"......it's about how pumped his character is getting in comparison to other characters, and how silly it's starting to get.

I dont care how much you want to say Wolverine, Spiderman, or any other "average" hero is pumped up.....there is a fucking limit.

To put Batman on Superman's level just takes the fucking cake.

Think about my analogy......How would it look if a storyline were to suggest that Wolverine could defeat Galactus.

It's fucking absurd.

Batman has no chance against Superman. For anyone to suggest otherwise says to me that you're either arguing just for the sake of arguing, or maybe you're sitting somewhere getting stoned out of your mind coming up with all of these insane possibilities, or you're just an extreme Batman geek/fanboy and absolutely REFUSE to see things any differently.

See, I dont even follow Superman comics (never really did either) but I have enough common sense to know when someone is seriously outclassed.

C'mon now fellas....

You need to stop swinging and just man up and admit that Batman would get his ass whupped every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Yeah so take this to the Superman vs. Batman thread. And give me some ideas for the poll.

hulk has even better regenerative powers than wolverine, right?and, depending on his state of agitation is the most powerful characterstrengthwise, correct? even in dire life threatening situations as bannerhulk takes over and prevents him from....expiring. this being said, i do think hulk could take doomsday if not easily, then handily. and doomsday caused supes to "push the little (super-powered) daisies and make em come up". Hulk Win!

Superman wins. If pushed to the limit and w/o any other choice, he could shoot his heat vision through Hulk's eyes, into his brain, and lobotimize Banner...stopping the anger and possibly even destroying the Hulk personality.

Ok well for this battle I would pick Superman also.
(I wouldnt do the heat vision thing though) but I do believe that Superman is intelligent enough to come up with some other way to take down the Hulk.

But I was on another message board where a poster came up with a lot of reasons as to why The Hulk would defeat Phoenix, Superman, Thor, and anyone else you can think of.
(hell, I've even heard that the Hulk could withstand the heat of the Sun.)

Now I personally dont buy into it, but I'm just pointing out other peoples opinions on him and his capabilities.

r8hitman wrote:Batman has no chance against Superman. For anyone to suggest otherwise says to me that you're either arguing just for the sake of arguing, or maybe you're sitting somewhere getting stoned out of your mind coming up with all of these insane possibilities, or you're just an extreme Batman geek/fanboy and absolutely REFUSE to see things any differently.

I love the hypocrisy of this statement.

burlivesleftnut wrote:

Chairman Kaga wrote:Then GL vs Phoenix....non dark I suppose. What about any of Galactus' other heralds besides SS or Spidey with Power Cosmic or Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet/Cosmic Cube etc. They're all pretty high up there.

I will add GL vs. the other Heralds if you want, but who really gives a flip about any of the Heralds other than Silver Surfer? But speaking of cosmic powers and such, I will add GL vs. Nova though since Nova is off the fucking chain right now.

I still think Hulk v Doomsday is more on par (though I loathe Doomsday). Doomsday has the strength of Supes but lacks the other powers thus making it more even with the Hulk who only really has super strength. They both jump great distances instead of flying etc. They both regnerate etc. Also for the time when Banner's mind is in complete control of the Hulk pit him against the Braniac controllled Doomsday. That just seems more even.

Chairman Kaga wrote:Then GL vs Phoenix....non dark I suppose. What about any of Galactus' other heralds besides SS or Spidey with Power Cosmic or Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet/Cosmic Cube etc. They're all pretty high up there.

I will add GL vs. the other Heralds if you want, but who really gives a flip about any of the Heralds other than Silver Surfer? But speaking of cosmic powers and such, I will add GL vs. Nova though since Nova is off the fucking chain right now.

I think Firelord would be more popular if he came out of the closet.

This comment is in no way meant to insist your opinion is wrong or be considered an edict, solely this poster's opinion. That said, you are still a fool and will kneel before me in supplication.

r8hitman wrote:Batman has no chance against Superman. For anyone to suggest otherwise says to me that you're either arguing just for the sake of arguing, or maybe you're sitting somewhere getting stoned out of your mind coming up with all of these insane possibilities, or you're just an extreme Batman geek/fanboy and absolutely REFUSE to see things any differently.

I love the hypocrisy of this statement.

Well prove me wrong then......

For every "Batman could get Kryptonite" statement that you make, someone could easily say, "Superman could go back in time and kill Batman as soon as Batman knows he's about to confront Superman".....

See these arguments are fucking stupid and dont really go anywhere.
The easiest way to answer these types of questions is to say...

Batman Vs. Superman....who wins?

All of this "Batman would hold Lois hostage" or "would know how to find Kryptonite" scenarios are just so fucking stupid it's almost sad.

Head up, with the same preparation time Superman PWNS Batman....the only people who might not see this, are the most extreme Batman geeks/Superman haters of all time.

Spiderman is my favorite character, but I would be a fucking fool to sit here and say he could defeat The Silver Surfer or Thor.

Yeah I could bring up Parker's intelligence, or the time that he had the cosmic powers, but what would be the fucking point??

r8hitman wrote:Batman has no chance against Superman. For anyone to suggest otherwise says to me that you're either arguing just for the sake of arguing, or maybe you're sitting somewhere getting stoned out of your mind coming up with all of these insane possibilities, or you're just an extreme Batman geek/fanboy and absolutely REFUSE to see things any differently.

I love the hypocrisy of this statement.

Well prove me wrong then......

Prove you wrong on what? You're hipocrisy for stating that something is impossible on the one hand and anyone who refuses to see the opponent's side of the argument is wrong while you do the same thing? What is there to prove?

burlivesleftnut wrote:Oh and as far as Mr. Fantastic vs. Plastic Man... um, haven't the FF faced off against the Impossible Man like a million times. He's just a plaz copy, and they never seem to have a problem.

Yeah, that's a complete mismatch. If you're going to include plaz, I'd make it against another goofball character like Flatman from the GLA (as I suggested above).

Anymore suggestions? I have 57 fights right now, and I would like to get it up to an exhausting 100.

ETA: Nevermind the 100 fights. We would just start padding the game with fights that don't matter. But I am still open to more suggestions, but before submitting them, ask yourself if the choice between the two characters would be a difficult one. For instance, a friend suggested Sentry vs. Superman. Yeah it would be fun to see them fight, but is anyone really going to vote for Sentry except Brian Michael Bendis? Probably not.

r8hitman wrote:It's not just about him getting "uber-pumped"......it's about how pumped his character is getting in comparison to other characters, and how silly it's starting to get.

I dont care how much you want to say Wolverine, Spiderman, or any other "average" hero is pumped up.....there is a fucking limit.

To put Batman on Superman's level just takes the fucking cake.

Think about my analogy......How would it look if a storyline were to suggest that Wolverine could defeat Galactus.

It's fucking absurd.

Batman has no chance against Superman. For anyone to suggest otherwise says to me that you're either arguing just for the sake of arguing, or maybe you're sitting somewhere getting stoned out of your mind coming up with all of these insane possibilities, or you're just an extreme Batman geek/fanboy and absolutely REFUSE to see things any differently.

See, I dont even follow Superman comics (never really did either) but I have enough common sense to know when someone is seriously outclassed.

C'mon now fellas....

You need to stop swinging and just man up and admit that Batman would get his ass whupped every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

NU-UH!

Bat Man's like the coolest superman ever! If he had a fight with Superman-- I mean STUPIDman-- the big S would be so busy taking out the trash for Lana Lane that he wouldn't never see Bat Man hit him with a cryptonight boxing glove because bat Man had one before Planet Cryptonight even blew up!

And Wolvering would be painting his fingernail claws and BatMAn would punch right through his face and he could because after he killed Stupidman, he would cut off his own arms and sew on Supermans arms and use a superpunch to punch through Wolvei's head.

Thats the kind of stuff you can do if your Bat <Man. jUst look at the picture. (sorry guys i couldnt find my blue crayon, sorry)

Aaaaaaaaand scene! Remember, debating comics is meant to be stupid AND fun

Side geek note: I'm actually acquainted with one of the artists on Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run, and he's an incredibly awesome guy who has probably done more to support my filmmaking more than anybody outside of my family and close friends. So I'm gonna be biased, either way.

This comment is in no way meant to insist your opinion is wrong or be considered an edict, solely this poster's opinion. That said, you are still a fool and will kneel before me in supplication.

burlivesleftnut wrote:Oh and as far as Mr. Fantastic vs. Plastic Man... um, haven't the FF faced off against the Impossible Man like a million times. He's just a plaz copy, and they never seem to have a problem.

A) That's the whole FF and B) the Impossible Man wasn't looking to hand anybody their ass. Was the Impossible Man ever drawn by Jack Fucking Cole? I don't think so! ok, that was mostly because of that whole "shot-himself-in-the-face" thing, but STILL.

This comment is in no way meant to insist your opinion is wrong or be considered an edict, solely this poster's opinion. That said, you are still a fool and will kneel before me in supplication.

I seem to remember Wizard magazine doing a Jarvis vs. Alfred fight once. Jarvis I think won cause apparently he has to clean up after an entire team of superheroes, not just a single guy in spandex who beats up criminals and adopts boys and makes them wear green elf shoes and short shorts. Ahem......, that might actually explain Mark Foley, but that's a political discussion to save for another day.

As for the actual brouhaha itself, my heart wants to say DC, but with Phoenix on its side, Marvel wins hands down. I'm sure Stan Lee would be proud.

r8hitman wrote:Batman has no chance against Superman. For anyone to suggest otherwise says to me that you're either arguing just for the sake of arguing, or maybe you're sitting somewhere getting stoned out of your mind coming up with all of these insane possibilities, or you're just an extreme Batman geek/fanboy and absolutely REFUSE to see things any differently.

I love the hypocrisy of this statement.

Well prove me wrong then......

Prove you wrong on what? You're hipocrisy for stating that something is impossible on the one hand and anyone who refuses to see the opponent's side of the argument is wrong while you do the same thing? What is there to prove?

I'm not "refusing to see things differently" though, so there is nothing hypocritical about my statements.

I've already said (numerous times actually) that if there are certain parameters that you are putting on this fight that I'm not doing then let me know.

Of course Batman has a "chance" but that just depends on your rules to the fight.

But IMO, in a one on one, no Kryptonite involved, I dont see Batman lasting 30 seconds.

Those are the parameters that I have on the fight, because that's how I interpretted the question....tell me how you took it, and how else he might come out on top, and I'm more than willing to listen.

You're pissed because you CANT come up with any way Batman could win one on one without using something that would allow a child to defeat Superman (Kryptonite).

Uh...NO! Their AWESOME lines! Like when Goku does Supersayand. BatMan used his million dollars to fly a spaceship to Dragon BAll Z space and have Goku teach him how to Supersayand fight. He can do that because he's bat man.

Uh...NO! Their AWESOME lines! Like when Goku does Supersayand. BatMan used his million dollars to fly a spaceship to Dragon BAll Z space and have Goku teach him how to Supersayand fight. He can do that because he's bat man.

r8hitman wrote:I'm not "refusing to see things differently" though, so there is nothing hypocritical about my statements.

r8hitman wrote:Batman has no chance against Superman

r8hitman wrote:Of course Batman has a "chance" but that just depends on your rules to the fight.

r8hitman wrote:For anyone to suggest otherwise says to me that you're either arguing just for the sake of arguing, or maybe you're sitting somewhere getting stoned out of your mind coming up with all of these insane possibilities

So are you now arguing just for the sake of it, stoned or insane? (since that is all anyone can be if they even "suggest otherwise")