Unfortunately, we had to remove your listing because of the following:

The United States Secret Service has requested the removal of all Norfed Liberty dollars on the eBay site as counterfeits. If you have any questions you can contact them at the US Secret Service Public Affairs Office: 202-406-5708.

Seems even the warehouse receipts are considered counterfeit. Of course they look nothing like U.S. currency and the only reason they are worthless is because the government confiscated the gold and silver backing them.

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The United States Secret Service, one of the nation's oldest federal investigative law enforcement agencies, was founded in 1865 as a branch of the U.S. Treasury Department. It was originally created to combat the counterfeiting of U.S. currency - a serious problem at the time. In fact, following the Civil War, it was estimated that one-third to one-half of the currency in circulation was counterfeit.

While I disagree wholeheartedly with the government's take on the Liberty Dollar, the "counterfeiting" charge is what the Feds used to go in and stomp NorFed.

I can't see from that how any of those could be confused for the United States currency they claim is being counterfeited. The warehouse receipts are so far from looking like anything used as money, it's just crazy to say they are counterfeit anything. The only reason those receipts are now bogus is that the government stole their backing from the mint.

So now it is illegal to sell something that the government considers counterfeit?

Seems anything related to NORFED is being taken off of Ebay.

If you have any of these items, you had better hide them carefully.
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Hmm... this is getting more interesting. I did some digging, and as near as I can tell, there's no Federal law against possessing - or even selling - a counterfeit as long as the counterfeit is NOT being represented as the real thing.

Granted, I'm not a lawyer. Not even close. But the key seems to be the phrase "intent to deceive."

Here's a link to the section of the U.S. code that pertains to counterfeiting:

Funny thing is, it looks like it is easier for the Feds to bust someone who is minting coins rather than printing paper notes. Here's the section I'm guessing they used against Bernard von NotHaus:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/486Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title [1] or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If ideas like these caught on, the counterfeiters would lose all of their power so they gotta be clamped down upon. No surprise here. Has Von NotHaus been sentenced to federal prison yet?

October 2012

So, here we stand, waiting for Judge Voorhees to take action and hope for the best. As of October 18, it has been nineteen months since my conviction. WOW, in a few more months, I could be back in court on the second anniversary of my conviction. Whenever, I hope some of you might join me.

There's something to that, I think. Sometimes I think we should take a page out of the Fed's Jekyll Island strategy book more often. There's a Choir Vocabulary for every ideology that serves as red flags for everyone of an opposing ideology, and causes them to shut down and turn off whenever they hear it. It pays to be self-aware, and to know how and when to avoid those words, making substitutions as needed.

If you called the Federal Reserve Bank System the Counterfeiter of First Resort System, it wouldn't fly. But the monsters at Jekyll Island weren't concerned about the name at all, except as it might help get the Federal Reserve Act accepted by the public and passed. They didn't care what it was called; only that it have the power to do what it was designed to do, regardless of its deliberately misleading name.

I would have no problem with the same NORFED coins being called Marxist Socialist Commie Money, even stamped right on it. A rose by any other name... I love Rocky Road ice cream, and if you passed an obnoxious law that stated that it had to be called Crap Ice Cream instead, then I guess I would love Crap Ice Cream instead.

There is no time period during which United States District Court Judge Richard Voorhees has to rule on the motion to dismiss. Von NotHaus tells me that in one North Carolina case the Judge took 10 years to rule.

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