How can you expect everyone to gain your perspective? Obviously you have a personal connection to an "intellectually disabled" person, but most don't, and retard jokes aren't going to stop being funny to some. I'm sure some blonds don't like blond jokes, I'm sure Monica Lewinski didn't like the Monica jokes, and I'm sure some black/white/jew/asian/white/hispanic people don't like racist jokes, etc. But the world doesn't revolve around you, and you are in for a lifetime of needless suffering if you think it will.

It's about insensitivity bro.

Does anyone remember the skit on In Living Color called HANDYMAN!? I thought that was funny as hell when I was a kid, but now I can't believe it was on television.

How can you expect everyone to gain your perspective? Obviously you have a personal connection to an "intellectually disabled" person, but most don't, and retard jokes aren't going to stop being funny to some. I'm sure some blonds don't like blond jokes, I'm sure Monica Lewinski didn't like the Monica jokes, and I'm sure some black/white/jew/asian/white/hispanic people don't like racist jokes, etc. But the world doesn't revolve around you, and you are in for a lifetime of needless suffering if you think it will.

I don't expect it. But I do expect people not to behave like *ssholes. Blonds/Jews/Blacks. etc. of normal intellect can defend/advocate for themselves--those with severe intellectual disabilities cannot. My world does not revolve around me -- it revolves around my son, and I will ALWAYS be his advocate. So you can kiss my *ss.

I don't expect it. But I do expect people not to behave like *ssholes. Blonds/Jews/Blacks. etc. of normal intellect can defend/advocate for themselves--those with severe intellectual disabilities cannot. My world does not revolve around me -- it revolves around my son, and I will ALWAYS be his advocate. So you can kiss my *ss.

I'll never understand the immaturity of some people on this board. Hopefully, some of the children here who find comments like this to be amusing will gain some perspective and understanding through personal experiences with people, like my son, who have intellectual disabilities. There is no humor in such 'jokes'.

Tha being said, the car is ugly.

I feel you man and understand where you are coming from. I personally hate the word retard and every post that uses it should be deleted by the Mods. Us with disabled people in their family do have a different perspective on such matters but thank god we are in the minority because it's not only heart breaking to watch but bloody hard work too and in your case very expensive as well.

I know we will never change the world but with the few people that our family members come into contact with they are least will have a different perspective on disability as well and not view them as leapers that you avoid at all costs.

Leave these stupid personal arguments to PMs. We've seen the disabled argument a million times on this forum.

Anyways, this car completely lacks any sort of athletic proportions. Besides the butch front and the swoopy roofline, it hardly looks like it's a sport sedan. And who said this resembles the just-spied F30? Really, even at this point you can tell they'll be nothing alike based on proportions alone.

I can't get over how poorly executed these proportions are. The front overhang is...well it's fucking enormous. The beltline is far from dynamic or speedy, and it's not even necessarily elegant. The sides look like slabs, the DLO is too small, and the fenders are nonexistant.

The credit belongs to those who are actually in the arena, who strive valiantly, who know the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spend themselves in a worthy cause; who, at the best, know the triumph of high achievement and who, at the worst, if they fail, fail while daring greatly so that their place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

Not a direct competitor, I dont think volvo has the chasis and driving dynamics down yet but it may be nipping on bmw's tail. Audi has certainly caught up now and they have a prettier package. Not everyone care for performance and when they do some may prefer real through bred like a Cayman or Elise.

BMW is still sitting high but in competitive environment one can't assume that will continue

I loved my S60R, good car. Ran rings around any non-M 3er at the time, and could keep right up with an S4. Also it was priced like a 325, only much better equiped. Best interior out of any car I've owned, best stereo, and by FAR the best seats. Really a very good car. Not quite as quick as a 335i, but also a better handling and brakes with electronic chassis control (push button) like what just went into the M3.

Very under rated car, and if I find myself in need of an AWD DD with $20k to throw around, it'd be a no brainer for me.

I loved my S60R, good car. Ran rings around any non-M 3er at the time, and could keep right up with an S4. Also it was priced like a 325, only much better equiped. Best interior out of any car I've owned, best stereo, and by FAR the best seats. Really a very good car. Not quite as quick as a 335i, but also a better handling and brakes with electronic chassis control (push button) like what just went into the M3.

Very under rated car, and if I find myself in need of an AWD DD with $20k to throw around, it'd be a no brainer for me.