What I find most distressing about Myers is the fact that many local hcokey writters were saying that Myers had a great preseason and looked to have re-gained his rookie form. I saw none of those preseason games, but I have watched all 4 reg season games and I see the same Myers as last year.

What I find most distressing about Myers is the fact that many local hcokey writters were saying that Myers had a great preseason and looked to have re-gained his rookie form. I saw none of those preseason games, but I have watched all 4 reg season games and I see the same Myers as last year.

What I find most distressing about Myers is the fact that many local hcokey writters were saying that Myers had a great preseason and looked to have re-gained his rookie form. I saw none of those preseason games, but I have watched all 4 reg season games and I see the same Myers as last year.

How could his game have fallen apart so quickly?

It could be as simple the level of competition he played against. You see more kids than vets in the preseason. Now it's more vets than kids.

Myers needs to be traded now. Hopefully there is some GM out there who would be willing to part with something of value for a soft overpaid Myers. Maybe they will fall in love with his size. The more he plays the more his trade value falls.

Big Tyler has no points and is a -4 through 4 games, while averaging almost 22 minutes of ice time per game. I'm tired of making excuses for the guy. He is starting his 5th year with the team and sports is a performance business... get it done or get someone in there who can do the job.

As far as I'm concerned, trade him now (if a taker can be found and he will waive his no movement clause) and give his ice time to Zadorov when he comes back from injury.

If this thread was started everytime that a player was a -4 over the course of a few games, we'd need to start a subforum dedicated to it... Nothing to see here.

I'm sure (i hope) this thread was made as a joke, but the general idea is spot on. Tyler Myers is terrible. He's actually at a point where whenever he's on the ice, i just hope the shift doesn't end in a disaster.

He spend most of the summer in Buffalo doing work and is supposed in his best shape of his life. And he's still brutal.

Five years. Wow. I had to do a double take when I heard that on the radio. Honestly, fans, where did we all project Myers to be by now? Surely in the Norris conversation.

Yes.

I'm sure (i hope) this thread was made as a joke, but the general idea is spot on. Tyler Myers is terrible. He's actually at a point where whenever he's on the ice, i just hope the shift doesn't end in a disaster.

He spend most of the summer in Buffalo doing work and is supposed in his best shape of his life. And he's still brutal.

You are far from the only one here describing him this way, and certainly it was accurate for parts of last year, but I think it's a substantial exaggeration at this point. (Although I could see that undeniable brain lock non-play he made on the TB OT winner sending him into a major funk.)

However, I also kinda think the Sabres drafting Risto and Nikita in the first round this year might mean that they aren't too confident anymore in Myers becoming a good #1 defenseman.

You are far from the only one here describing him this way, and certainly it was accurate for parts of last year, but I think it's a substantial exaggeration at this point. (Although I could see that undeniable brain lock non-play he made on the TB OT winner sending him into a major funk.)

However, I also kinda think the Sabres drafting Risto and Nikita in the first round this year might mean that they aren't too confident anymore in Myers becoming a good #1 defenseman.

Good point. I think so as well.

Personally, I judge all players on value, i.e. how much do they produce relative to their pay. When people were hammering guys like Hecht and Sulzer on this board, I never joined in. Those guys are/were at the bottom of the pay scale and aren't/weren't paid to be stars. Tyler IS paid to be a star on this team. His cap hit puts him third behind Vanek and Miller. He is being paid to be a Norris-type guy and obviously isn't producing at that level...

...Of course, Tyler's contract is just another example of Darcy's complete failure as a GM.

You are far from the only one here describing him this way, and certainly it was accurate for parts of last year, but I think it's a substantial exaggeration at this point. (Although I could see that undeniable brain lock non-play he made on the TB OT winner sending him into a major funk.)

However, I also kinda think the Sabres drafting Risto and Nikita in the first round this year might mean that they aren't too confident anymore in Myers becoming a good #1 defenseman.

I don't. They drafted Risto because they targeted him early as being NHL ready and they needed another solid defender because the pipeline was questionable. They took Zadorov because he was available. They didn't think he would be but he was so they took him. I honestly don't feel they had some grand design for this draft. If they did have a grand design they would have traded up to Carolina taking Monahan or Lindholm and then drafted a defender at 16.

I don't. They drafted Risto because they targeted him early as being NHL ready and they needed another solid defender because the pipeline was questionable. They took Zadorov because he was available. They didn't think he would be but he was so they took him. I honestly don't feel they had some grand design for this draft. If they did have a grand design they would have traded up to Carolina taking Monahan or Lindholm and then drafted a defender at 16.

No. That is what they would've done if their design were the same as yours.

It's quite likely that they surveyed their team and felt like they needed to get bigger and better on D -- i.e. that they were going to move on from Sekera to Pysyk and didn't have much faith in Myers and McNabb.

No. That is what they would've done if their design were the same as yours.

It's quite likely that they surveyed their team and felt like they needed to get bigger and better on D -- i.e. that they were going to move on from Sekera to Pysyk and didn't have much faith in Myers and McNabb.

An they brought in Tallinder and McBain on top of resigning Sulzer.. They wanted Risto (I fully believe they targeted him from the beginning), and Zadorov just happened to be there. I don't see a plan there.

What is the plan then? They traded 1 guy and added 5. 6 if you count Pysyk's full time gig.

An they brought in Tallinder and McBain on top of resigning Sulzer.. They wanted Risto (I fully believe they targeted him from the beginning), and Zadorov just happened to be there. I don't see a plan there.

What is the plan then? They traded 1 guy and added 5. 6 if you count Pysyk's full time gig.

Well, I think Tallinder was likely brought in because the D corps suddenly got very young and because DR was hoping it would revive Myers, Sulzer was brought in as cheap depth, and DR had to take McBain in the deal to get the 2nd-rounder from Carolina. Those were all short-term moves that don't really implicate their long-term plan for the D.

I think their long-term plan for the D is:

Ehrhoff & Pysyk -- here for the long haulWeber -- good team guy, not expensive, plays a hard game and can play 15-20 minutes. They're glad to keep him for the 3rd pair.Risto -- possible franchise #1 defenseman and presumably at least a #2-#3 guy.Nikita -- kind of a wild card but presumably they hope he'll be at least a 2nd pairing guy and in any case a physical force.Myers -- not giving up on him but not counting on him to be a franchise #1 defenseman anymore -- which means they still need one, which is why they drafted Risto.

Well, I think Tallinder was likely brought in because the D corps suddenly got very young and because DR was hoping it would revive Myers, Sulzer was brought in as cheap depth, and DR had to take McBain in the deal to get the 2nd-rounder from Carolina. Those were all short-term moves that don't really implicate their long-term plan for the D.

I think their long-term plan for the D is:

Ehrhoff & Pysyk -- here for the long haulWeber -- good team guy, not expensive, plays a hard game and can play 15-20 minutes. They're glad to keep him for the 3rd pair.Risto -- possible franchise #1 defenseman and presumably at least a #2-#3 guy.Nikita -- kind of a wild card but presumably they hope he'll be at least a 2nd pairing guy and in any case a physical force.Myers -- not giving up on him but not counting on him to be a franchise #1 defenseman anymore -- which means they still need one, which is why they drafted Risto.

That does all make sense. I guess in my biased way I don't trust darcy enough to believe he has a plan.

I used to think Darcy had a plan but now I think he just has some sort of vague notion

I'm thinking Darcy got Ristoleinen and Zadorov as a hedge against Myers and others who might not be working out. Myers confidence as a d-man is shot unfortunately. He's doing a lot of standing around at crucial times. Weber, who is also prone to stupid mistakes does not help as his partner...They are awful together. I'd try Myers as a forward for awhile because he seems clueless at D. I like the fact that Weber and Ott are like brothers but I don't think Weber's all that good and Ott, who shouldn't be on the top line w Vanek-Hodgson, is playing as if he's already elsewhere.

No. That is what they would've done if their design were the same as yours.

It's quite likely that they surveyed their team and felt like they needed to get bigger and better on D -- i.e. that they were going to move on from Sekera to Pysyk and didn't have much faith in Myers and McNabb.

Exactly. Scoring is a problem, and they have several kids in the system and 4 picks in the top 60 next year to add more to the forward pool, but the Sabres inability to be tough to play against was just as big of a concern as it is scoring. Teams had no problems playing against us. Required minimal work. Adding some big, tough kids on defense, getting rid of some softer players (Sekera) was all the right moves. If the players turn out what we expect them to be is another thing but the mindset was right on. In today's NHL, you need to be tough to play against and solid puck movers so once you do create the turnover, you start your attack.

Puck possession is such a great state and translates really well to winning teams, which is common sense if you think about it. The less time in your own zone, the less chances teams get, thus, the more time you spend peppering the opponents goalie on the other side.

Want to get depressed, even more depressed I mean? Go look at the list of Calder Trophy winners. Of course that begs the question as to how good those winners were five years out. And this one: is Myers the biggest Calder Trophy bust in decades?

I think on a good team he will be a good defender, but on a team lacking quality up front and needing leadership, he isn't the one that can give us a boost.
So yeah trade him to another team for a good forward.