Something we can all do independently if we’re interested.
People will always interpret ‘facts’ to suit their own agenda. Tis a truth universally acknowledged.

That was the point of the discussion Ven.

Also it is always nice to be given a helping hand don't you think?

Have you been on the Valentine’s happy cocktail already Red? You’ve quoted my post six times, you obviously think I have something important to say ..

Ever heard of help you don’t want .. 😀

A glitch in the system I am afraid. Sadly I have work to do and no time for a drink but thank you anyway.

Aw, be sure to have a Valentine’s drink when your work is done, Redvers x
Enjoy your day with the one and only Mrs Rosen, Martin x
Have a great day, Ven 💐
I am spending most of the day in bed. Nothing romantic, I must add. I am alone, apart from a plump chihuahua who is burrowed down with me. Not my preference ( getting over an operation.) In fact, I am listening to far too much LBC !!!

Oh geez I've just written a long response and it's disappeared. If you go to the 23rd minute of Bannon's speech you will see the context of what he was saying. He was talking about the smear of being called a racist and how that tactic wasn't working anymore.

Isn't that because he's proud to be one and he wants others to be proud of it too as he said? It helps win elections..... It's a classic "divide and rule" strategy. You don't have to improve anyone's life, in fact you can make it worse - just as long as they've got someone to blame.

I thought it was pretty obvious that he's telling people not to give in and shut down because they get called names. After all it's the easy option to shout down opposition instead of allowing discussion, we see it all the time from those who shout 'racist' 'sexist', 'everything-phobe' at any opportunity.
It also obscures real problems which need to be sorted like those who really are whatever-ist-or-phobic but get away with it because the words are thrown around so casually.

Or that he's saying "Don't be afraid to wear your prejudices as a badge of honour and keep doing it"

Bannon's whole career has been about fanning the flames and playing the race card - he was doing what he always does i'm afraid. The worrying thing is it actually wins elections and leads to a situation where the electorate are whipped into division with someone else to blame for their own government's failings.

The new devoplment is now they can push through policies which reduce people's rights and crash economies and people actually vote for them!

It doesn't matter what's actually on the table, as long as they keep issuing inflammatory statements the base will think their on their side.

It's a strategy and it works, which is why i said what i said about the reason why the deportation story was such big news when another poster asked yesterday.

By appearing tough on this it sends a message out to his base.

So it appears your reading of Bannon's words is "Don't let the insult of being called racist shut you down" - which is fine - apart from the fact he then says to wear the badge with pride. So he's telling people to throw around insults, which you have just said doesn't help.

So either he just wants people to be racist or just wants chaos.

Or he's advising people who are being called names to stand up to those who call them names and 'wear with pride' the fact that they're not cowed into shutting up because of the names. As usual if people want to see prejudice they'll find it and
close down anything they don't agree with by labelling it.

Were you listening when he was on the Arfur show.
In particular to the horrible abuse he gave mild mannered Theo Usherwood.
I presume not or you wouldn't hold him in such high esteem.

Who mentioned esteem? Not me. I was explaining my interpretation of his remarks, which seemed obvious to me.

Excellent. We agree. The bloke is a horrible racist twerp. For a moment It seemed like you thought he was an OK guy.

I have not much of an opinion either way. I find people tend to dislike those they disagree with and brook no criticism of those they agree with. It's very obvious on forums like this.
I was interpreting the man's remarks, not commenting on ther man himself.

Corbyn certainly caught Johnson with a real stinger today at PMQ’s asking if he would deport himself and the PM floundered. I thought Patel was going to poop herself next door to him. It was a pity Saint James O’B could not bring himself to acknowledge that this morning.

He should realise that his continual pecking away at Corbyn has made his task much harder. On the other hand, perhaps O’Brien is just a Judas sheep after all, hiding behind the rump of his guru and mate Ferrari, urging the gormless on towards the waiting abattoir of Brexit, Tory double-standards and deceptions. I do hope not.

That was just a busted flush using race and colour very obviously to score personal political points. Pathetic.

Not at all. Corbyn was quite right, justified and merciless. Good to hear. Johnson likes peddling trash but can’t take criticism particularly when it’s justified.

Nope. Corbyn can't bear criticism but gives it out, or tries to. The trouble is he's a hypocrite of the highest order and making a fool of himself clinging desperately to some shred of authority without the decency to resign even months after screwing his own party's future for who knows how long.

Boris often struggles taking critiscm, in fact he doesn't even turn up for interviews with those who are known to give it out.

I'm not a fan of either, but to criticise something about Corbyn than Boris is also guilty of.......Well......

You said Corbyn was right, etc. I was answering that with my opinion of him, ie that he wasn't, it was just petty stuff trying to deflect from the serious crimes of the deportees by having a go at his personal nemesis.

And ramming through deportations no matter what the circumstances in order to appeal to your base isn't? And it's not the first time, the "toxic environment" is a vote and popularity winner. And that is what i said a few days back as to why this is such a big story.

Did i actually say "Corbyn was right"?

I would say he has a point though, where an immigrant child with a drug conviction can get deported, why can't an immigrant who takes drugs, unlawfully prorouges parliament and conspires to beat up a journalist?

It's a double standard of course, which is the point Corbyn was making. Whether you like him or not.

Actually sorry it was another poster who said in those words Corbyn was right, but obviously you think it's fine to defend a serious criminal being deported because his hatred of Johnson is more important than concern for victims of crime.

No, I'm just saying that Corbyn has a point, or do you deny the Johnson conspired to commit a crime and wasn't found to have unlawfully prorogued parliament?

Do you really think, given Bannons history, he wasn't trying to do some rabble rousing? It's what he does. And he orchestrated Trump's campaign which illustrated the populist surge you can get by playing the race card.

I was interpreting his remarks, not commenting on him. It seem obvious to me what he was saying but you disagree.
Like you think Corbyn had a valid point, I think he was downplaying a serious criminal being deported, thereby sticking two fingers up at victims of crime, while using it to have a personal go at Johnson.

With the best will and intention, what are you trying to convey if anything? Can't a poster make a positive remark about Ferrari? He's not so bad insofar he's sustained considerable audience figures for LBC, year upon year. Must be bonus rather than a minus.

I was saying how great it is to see Ferarri on the pledge.

Glad to see Tony that you are also a fan of Nick Ferrari on The Pledge.

With the best will and intention, what are you trying to convey if anything? Can't a poster make a positive remark about Ferrari? He's not so bad insofar he's sustained considerable audience figures for LBC, year upon year. Must be bonus rather than a minus.

I was saying how great it is to see Ferarri on the pledge.

Glad to see Tony that you are also a fan of Nick Ferrari on The Pledge.

Oh yeah. Big fan of Ferarri. Always have been 🤢. Not as big a fan as you though Red 😋😋😉

With the best will and intention, what are you trying to convey if anything? Can't a poster make a positive remark about Ferrari? He's not so bad insofar he's sustained considerable audience figures for LBC, year upon year. Must be bonus rather than a minus.

I was saying how great it is to see Ferarri on the pledge.

Glad to see Tony that you are also a fan of Nick Ferrari on The Pledge.

Oh yeah. Big fan of Ferarri. Always have been 🤢. Not as big a fan as you though Red 😋😋😉

I caught the prog and thought Ferrari looked very pale, washed out and even plumper than usual.
He needs a holiday. 😁

Corbyn certainly caught Johnson with a real stinger today at PMQ’s asking if he would deport himself and the PM floundered. I thought Patel was going to poop herself next door to him. It was a pity Saint James O’B could not bring himself to acknowledge that this morning.

He should realise that his continual pecking away at Corbyn has made his task much harder. On the other hand, perhaps O’Brien is just a Judas sheep after all, hiding behind the rump of his guru and mate Ferrari, urging the gormless on towards the waiting abattoir of Brexit, Tory double-standards and deceptions. I do hope not.

That was just a busted flush using race and colour very obviously to score personal political points. Pathetic.

Not at all. Corbyn was quite right, justified and merciless. Good to hear. Johnson likes peddling trash but can’t take criticism particularly when it’s justified.

Nope. Corbyn can't bear criticism but gives it out, or tries to. The trouble is he's a hypocrite of the highest order and making a fool of himself clinging desperately to some shred of authority without the decency to resign even months after screwing his own party's future for who knows how long.

Boris often struggles taking critiscm, in fact he doesn't even turn up for interviews with those who are known to give it out.

I'm not a fan of either, but to criticise something about Corbyn than Boris is also guilty of.......Well......

You said Corbyn was right, etc. I was answering that with my opinion of him, ie that he wasn't, it was just petty stuff trying to deflect from the serious crimes of the deportees by having a go at his personal nemesis.

And ramming through deportations no matter what the circumstances in order to appeal to your base isn't? And it's not the first time, the "toxic environment" is a vote and popularity winner. And that is what i said a few days back as to why this is such a big story.

Did i actually say "Corbyn was right"?

I would say he has a point though, where an immigrant child with a drug conviction can get deported, why can't an immigrant who takes drugs, unlawfully prorouges parliament and conspires to beat up a journalist?

It's a double standard of course, which is the point Corbyn was making. Whether you like him or not.

Actually sorry it was another poster who said in those words Corbyn was right, but obviously you think it's fine to defend a serious criminal being deported because his hatred of Johnson is more important than concern for victims of crime.

No, I'm just saying that Corbyn has a point, or do you deny the Johnson conspired to commit a crime and wasn't found to have unlawfully prorogued parliament?

Do you really think, given Bannons history, he wasn't trying to do some rabble rousing? It's what he does. And he orchestrated Trump's campaign which illustrated the populist surge you can get by playing the race card.

I was interpreting his remarks, not commenting on him. It seem obvious to me what he was saying but you disagree.
Like you think Corbyn had a valid point, I think he was downplaying a serious criminal being deported, thereby sticking two fingers up at victims of crime, while using it to have a personal go at Johnson.

Powerful men use racism racism to gain notoriety.

What did that immigrant do? Comparably less.

If Bannons trying to say that we should be allowed to be racist, and to wear our prejudices with pride then how can that be a good thing! It's a recipe for chaos, hatred and division.

And he knows what he is doing, and to hell with what it leads to

So far only two here have defended him, one who said he didn't say it and their"evidence" was the speech with the offensive words edited out.

And then you are saying he didn't say what his words actually said. Or trying, at least, to soften the meaning.

With the best will and intention, what are you trying to convey if anything? Can't a poster make a positive remark about Ferrari? He's not so bad insofar he's sustained considerable audience figures for LBC, year upon year. Must be bonus rather than a minus.

I was saying how great it is to see Ferarri on the pledge.

Glad to see Tony that you are also a fan of Nick Ferrari on The Pledge.

Oh yeah. Big fan of Ferarri. Always have been 🤢. Not as big a fan as you though Red 😋😋😉

I caught the prog and thought Ferrari looked very pale, washed out and even plumper than usual.
He needs a holiday. 😁

All those early mornings must be tough on a man of his vintage. Maybe he's not too far off early retirement?

With the best will and intention, what are you trying to convey if anything? Can't a poster make a positive remark about Ferrari? He's not so bad insofar he's sustained considerable audience figures for LBC, year upon year. Must be bonus rather than a minus.

I was saying how great it is to see Ferarri on the pledge.

Glad to see Tony that you are also a fan of Nick Ferrari on The Pledge.

Oh yeah. Big fan of Ferarri. Always have been 🤢. Not as big a fan as you though Red 😋😋😉

I caught the prog and thought Ferrari looked very pale, washed out and even plumper than usual.
He needs a holiday. 😁

All those early mornings must be tough on a man of his vintage. Maybe he's not too far off early retirement?

Eddie Mair should take over. The nation would go to work with a smile rather than with high blood pressure

With the best will and intention, what are you trying to convey if anything? Can't a poster make a positive remark about Ferrari? He's not so bad insofar he's sustained considerable audience figures for LBC, year upon year. Must be bonus rather than a minus.

I was saying how great it is to see Ferarri on the pledge.

Glad to see Tony that you are also a fan of Nick Ferrari on The Pledge.

Oh yeah. Big fan of Ferarri. Always have been 🤢. Not as big a fan as you though Red 😋😋😉

I caught the prog and thought Ferrari looked very pale, washed out and even plumper than usual.
He needs a holiday. 😁

All those early mornings must be tough on a man of his vintage. Maybe he's not too far off early retirement?

61 years old. Tony Blackburn is 77. I’ve heard Nick is still working at global Until late into the evenings. He records the pledge. I think he travels to and from the US some weekends. Ex newspaper journalists work long hours.

With the best will and intention, what are you trying to convey if anything? Can't a poster make a positive remark about Ferrari? He's not so bad insofar he's sustained considerable audience figures for LBC, year upon year. Must be bonus rather than a minus.

I was saying how great it is to see Ferarri on the pledge.

Glad to see Tony that you are also a fan of Nick Ferrari on The Pledge.

Oh yeah. Big fan of Ferarri. Always have been 🤢. Not as big a fan as you though Red 😋😋😉

I caught the prog and thought Ferrari looked very pale, washed out and even plumper than usual.
He needs a holiday. 😁

All those early mornings must be tough on a man of his vintage. Maybe he's not too far off early retirement?

Eddie Mair should take over. The nation would go to work with a smile rather than with high blood pressure

Post of the week in my opinion.
Nick is quite entertaining, but his goal is to make us angry. Similar to the D. Mail..
He was getting quite distressed the other morning when most people disagreed with the deportmants, he swore on air..
As LBC has plenty of right and left leaning presenters why not have a neutral for the breakfast show.

With the best will and intention, what are you trying to convey if anything? Can't a poster make a positive remark about Ferrari? He's not so bad insofar he's sustained considerable audience figures for LBC, year upon year. Must be bonus rather than a minus.

I was saying how great it is to see Ferarri on the pledge.

Glad to see Tony that you are also a fan of Nick Ferrari on The Pledge.

Oh yeah. Big fan of Ferarri. Always have been 🤢. Not as big a fan as you though Red 😋😋😉

I caught the prog and thought Ferrari looked very pale, washed out and even plumper than usual.
He needs a holiday. 😁

All those early mornings must be tough on a man of his vintage. Maybe he's not too far off early retirement?

Eddie Mair should take over. The nation would go to work with a smile rather than with high blood pressure

Post of the week in my opinion.
Nick is quite entertaining, but his goal is to make us angry. Similar to the D. Mail..
He was getting quite distressed the other morning when most people disagreed with the deportmants, he swore on air..
As LBC has plenty of right and left leaning presenters why not have a neutral for the breakfast show.

Totally. One reason I stopped listening is because it didnt put me in a good frame of mind for the day ahead.