Are UFOs trivial enough for Congress?

More than a decade after leaving the Clinton White House, former Office of Science and Technology Policy director John Gibbons still gets dyspeptic over the mention of that annoying UFO business in the 1990s. Or at least, his office does.

'Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.' -- Mark Twain/CREDIT: astranavigo.blogspot.com

It’s a cautionary tale about how a persistent zillionaire thought he could use his connections to uncover hidden government UFO stash. The online paper trail details how, for three futile years, Laurance Rockefeller’s lobbying efforts with the executive branch laid goose eggs. It titillates us with President Clinton’s coy public pass at the issue in 1995, and with the ex post facto admission by former deputy attorney general Webster Hubbell that he went on a fishing expedition for evidence of a UFO coverup for his boss and came up empty. And throughout the ordeal, OSTP’s Gibbons was doing his best to placate Rocky while masking his irritability over having to field non-specific charges that ET dynamite was ticking away in the classified cellars and attics.

Fifteen years later, the Obama administration will no doubt plead ignorance about the contentious UFO subculture asterisk known as the “Rockefeller Initiative.” But that won’t stop lobbyist Steve Bassett from pressing the point with his impending “We The People” petition to the White House.

Still smarting from its rejection of his petition claim that the feds are concealing knowledge of an “extraterrestrial presence” (the OSTP replied it had “no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public’s eye” or “that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race”), Bassett is about to squeeze another trigger. On Dec. 1, his latest petition will “demand” a “full congressional investigation of UFO/ET Disclosure efforts by the Clinton OSTP – the Rockefeller Initiative.”

“Read the NARCAP files and the pilot database files about the thousands of encounters they’ve had and then come back and tell me there’s no credible evidence of interactions with extraterrestrial intelligence or nonhuman intelligence or whatever label you want to put on it,” Bassett tells De Void. “Come on. This is a rigged game.”

Bassett’s protestations won’t matter one way or the other unless, over the ensuing 30 days, he can collect 25,000 signatures required for eliciting a formal response. But what if, he wonders, with another election year looming, a congressional Republican were to see some political advantage in asking pointed questions?

“Look, we know Bill and Hillary met with Rockefeller in 1995 and we know what Rockefeller’s agenda was,” Bassett says. “This is the same Hillary Clinton who had a couple of sessions with Jeanne Dixon or whatever to do some role-playing with Eleanor Roosevelt — and the press goes nuts over it back then. Now she’s our Secretary of State and nobody’s curious? I guarantee you that if she gets one informed question about what happened, by a reasonably well known TV journalist, she’ll look like a deer in the headlights.”

Bassett claims House Republicans wanting to learn more about the Rockefeller Initiative could probably call upon “50-some people” from the Clinton White House to testify, including some Obama operatives.

“Nineteen months after Clinton leaves office, his former chief of staff (John Podesta) makes a public appeal to declassify UFO files, but he’s nowhere to be seen on this thing now. Why is that?” he says of Obama’s election-transition coordinator. “These Clinton people didn’t just go away. Leon Panetta’s now the Secretary of Defense. I’d like to hear him answer a few questions. I’d like to know exactly who Webster Hubbell talked to about UFOs. There’s a lot of things that need an accounting. This is no trivial matter.”

Actually, it might stand a better chance on the Hill if it were. This is the most contemptible and repugnant congressional session in the history of U.S. polling. De Void didn’t think Congress could top itself in 2007 when it chose to alleviate our dependence on foreign oil by extending Daylight Savings Time by four weeks. But when the House voted this year to reaffirm “In God We Trust” as the national motto and thought it’d be a great idea for the Treasury to mint a Commemorative Baseball Coin, it reminds us not to give up hope, that anything is possible, even a first-class hearing on UFOs.

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If you are a religious person it makes it a little easier to understand what is going on.
We can use the Bible for historical guidance as to who is dominating us. I named these critters “Repto Sapiens” a while back. Like humanity, they too evolved from dinosaur roots here on Earth. That is the main reason they keep coming back here, this is their ancestral home world. They are not coming back periodically to visit the old neighborhood though. Since they are still a part of our food chain, they stop by when they migrate their excess population elsewhere from their current home worlds because we have food resources here they can use to restock the meat lockers on their mother ships. You can’t grow meat in space. When I was doing research for my book I found evidence showing exactly what the Repto Sapiens had been doing here throughout history. The government knows what is going on but keeps it quiet because it would cause societal disruption and a backlash from various major religions. I wrote my book to explain everything in a way that religious people could understand and not get upset.
Here are two of eighty Biblical citations:
Old Testament: NUMBERS 21:6: “And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, and much people of Israel died.”

Isaiah 13:22: And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.

In other words, it’s God’s food chain. Life feeds on life. God loves all life equally and does not interfere. Its been that way for billions of years. I’m trying to alter the system to take humanity out of the equation, and substitute other food resources for our Reptilian cousins in exchange for advanced trade goods. My book shows proof of what’s going on.

Excerpt:
Fountain of Youth?
Perhaps the boldest dream belongs to Liu Zhongkaj, 47, an official at the Beijing Meteorological Bureau with wild eyes and vertical hair. Patent authorities are weighing whether or not to register his invention, which he describes as a magnetic field that produces as much as a third more energy than it requires to run. Among other things, he claims, his magnetic field can alter time. “If you live to be 100 on Earth, in my UFO you will be able to live at least 100,000 years,” he says. Tinkering with his contraption-two steel bars with coils of copper wires at each end. Mr. Liu says his self generating energy machine “is what UFOs must use to fly long distances because they can’t use gas. It’s a simple logic thing.”

Hi Billy,
Now here is some news reporting showing how our alien Repto Sapien cousins are currently going about thier business of controlling humanity for their own logistical purposes, with video even. I wrote this post for another discussion board:
Muslim Religious Leaders Controlled And Guided By Aliens / they confirm it themselves

I recently talked to a Muslim on Facebook who was skeptical about the existance of UFOs and Repto Sapien aliens. If you are a Muslim you should believe in THEM because it is in the Quran. Watch these videos put out by the Muslims that show Muhammad was influenced and guided by THEM. Even today it shows that they are guiding modern Muslim leaders like Elijah Muhammad and Louis
Farrakhan, both of whom swear that they were taken up to the mother ship and say they are now completely guided by THEM. Do you think these famous Muslims are lying? I know they are telling the truth. The Repto Sapiens always
“guide” key religious, military, and political leaders to bring about war to generate dead bodies for the Reps to harvest. There are old Arabian legends that tell of the bodies of dead warriors being floated up into the sky at
night after big battles. There are Norse legends that say that too. Hitler said that when he was a soldier in World War 1 he was abducted by two tall Reptilian figures who took him to an underground base. He said they scared him.
Follow the meat. They do this about every 50 years.

Hi Billy,
Nothing to regret. Our Repto Sapien cousins do use us as a food resource. Luckily, they only have a harvest here every 50 years or so. Sigh. I know you are a professional news reporter and only consider what is happening now and openly observable as solid factual reportable information. The facts showing definitive proof of this angle of the Food Chain are primarily historical and archaeological in nature. If you get a chance watch those shows, “Ancient Aliens” on the History Channel. That will bring you up to speed on the old “news.”

So here is my news report in summary: Our alien Repto Sapien cousins are the top predators in our food chain. Luckily for us they have moved their total Earth population to other home worlds long ago and only stop by every 50 years or so to restock the meat supplies on their mother ships transporting migrating Reptoids to ease overpopulation pressures on their home worlds. If they maintained a large presence here it would really take a huge bite out of our world population. Professor Scott Littleton’s premise of alien Raj domination is pretty close to reality. The Repto Sapien’s ancestral homeland is Earth and they have every right to expect to harvest the lower creatures on the food chain here just like we do with our cattle. If we developed the means to move our population out into the galaxy and settled other worlds, we would remember our roots and would probably stop by too if we needed food when we were traveling in this area. If the cows and pigs we left behind had become smarter, we would still need the meat. You can’t grow meat in space. As NASA has found after 30 failed experiments, you can’t grow vegetables in space either. So, any protein that was easily available on Earth would look pretty good.

(getting back to the article …)
I think Bassett may be reading too much into Podesta’s stance on the UFO question and what it means about the Clintons’ views. Yes, it’s interesting that Hillary was carrying that book, but hardly surprising, given who she was visiting, and his years-long efforts to get the ear of the White House. It’s possible that she wasn’t going to refuse to take it when offered but never bothered reading it. And maybe it was Podesta who set up the Rockefeller meeting in the first place. His interest in the subject tells us nothing about Bill or Hillary’s.
I’d love to know who Webster Hubbell approached, and their responses, but I think Bassett is approaching this in a ham-fisted way, all the same.
@marylou schmidt: No government has told “what they know about aliens.” Some have been open about their conjectures about UFOs. But none have proclaimed any facts about “aliens.” Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
@zoamchomsky: Once you’ve read Ms Kean’s book, could you tell us where to find these debunkings of the cases described therein? Just one solid debunking for each would suffice, no need to get into the repeatedlies you mentioned.

zoam said: “Kean spills the beans about her “own personal beliefs about alien spaceships, extraterrestrials, or government cover-ups….” ”
…
Hahaha.
What kind of person mis-leadingly cites that same sentence fragment THREE times?!?
(And the words don’t really even make sense, the way he’s using them.)
WOW.
It seems that poor zoam has been reduced to the lowest form of spamming….
And apparently even HE realizes how much the value of his words has depreciated, since he’s now qualifying more and more of his “facts” with that cute little grin: (g).
(No, he didn’t REALLY mean that the Lakenheath Consortium had debunked that case, right? “(g)!!!”)
So… will zoam soon be assuming a new screen name, perhaps? That’d be the typical next step…. Or does he realize that his intellectual footprint is so unmistakable that a new screen name would just be a waste of time?
“One never knows, do one?”

Nemo writes: “So now his definition of UFO was not coined by the Robertson Panel to mean ‘Nuts & Bolts Aircraft’”
My definition of “real ‘UFO'” was never that of the Robertson Panel–a definition that was never in use. The term and idea of “UFO” meaning “alien spacecraft” or “flying saucer” entered popular usage through Donald Keyhoe’s writings at the time, having been leaked a copy of the Durant memo.

“apparently he actually understands that it includes a range of phenomena.”
That’s the popular, more semantically neutral “any ambiguous unidentified” definition used for reports–not the hypothetical “real ‘UFO'” that would have presence and persistence, so would unambiguously exist in the world but remain “unexplained.” So far, there is no “phenomena,” there are no real “unexplained” or real “UFOs” of any kind. There are only inconsequential reports. Understand now?

And that’s what distinguishes believers in the “UFO” myth and delusion from the “disbelieving world,” Mr Vincent! (LOL) All the purported evidence presented for an undiscovered phenomenon, an extraordinary unknown of any kind, is so really crummy that our world scientific reality dismisses it as the obvious insubstantial and inconsequential nonsense it is!
But believers in the myth and delusion never let any bit of their crummy “evidence” go, so have accumulated a catalogue of repeatedly and utterly debunked hoaxes, hysterias, and completely predisposed misidentifications of mundane astronomical, meteorological and aerospace events in the false belief that this sheer quantity of rubbish will one day prove some thing, some real “unknown phenomenon,” anything–they’re not sure–exists! (LOL) But that’s the very definition in Popperian Demarcation theory of Pseudoscience. It’s Junk!

Nemo: “he’s now figured out that’s why Mr Oberg is also in favour of further research.”
“Perhaps” (as begins every sentence) Nemo will one day figure out that was a rhetorical setup paragraph and then stop ignoring the “not very likely” punch paragraph that follows (and the rest of Oberg’s article.) But that would be, as Oberg writes,”the triumph of hope over experience.” (LOL) And in that very same final paragraph writes: “the UFO movement
would then ‘merely’ be the most powerful public delusion of the century…worthy of sociological and psychological study.”

“Oberg’s Null hypothesis hasn’t been proven”
Hypotheses are never “proven,” they are simply more or less plausible. The Null hypothesis is a way of testing the plausibility of competing hypotheses. And the Null hypothesis (testing) of “UFO” reports demonstrates that the data set generated by a significant volume of “UFO” reports is congruent for the existence of REAL “UFOs” and NO-REAL “UFOs.”

So by the principle of parsimony (and an appreciation of the Residue fallacy), NO-REAL extrordinary stimuli are required to explain the totality of the “UFO” myth and collective delusion.

“the Psychosocial hypothesis isn’t widely believed to explain all UAP”
The Psychosocial hypothesis doesn’t explain individual “UFO” reports, it explains how and why utterly false beliefs–belief in the reality of “UFOs” for one example–can rapidly spread and persist in large populations.

“some rational scientists give credence to the ETH.”
I’ll be generous: If they’re rational and give credence to the ETH, then they haven’t examined the evidence thoroughly, or haven’t thought about it very long or seriously. Invoking the practical IMPLAUSIBILITY of the ETH to explain something so totally mundane and earthly as a completely human-generated myth and collective delusion is not very rational. (g)

Seems like we’ve come full circle with Zoam. So now his definition of UFO was not coined by the Robertson Panel to mean ‘Nuts & Bolts Aircraft’; apparently he actually understands that it includes a range of phenomena. Maybe he’s now figured out that’s why Mr Oberg is also in favour of further research.
Maybe, one day, he’ll be able to grasp why Mr Oberg’s Null hypothesis hasn’t been proven, why the Psychosocial hypothesis isn’t widely believed to explain all UAP and why some rational scientists give credence to the ETH.

I failed to mention that the Wiki entry on UFO Conspiracy Theory was written by CSICOPians. I don’t have a ‘belief’ in UFOs. I don’t have a ‘belief’ in ETH. Only a fool would argue against the possibility, however remote, of extraterrestrial life, or craft, for that matter. Frankly, I find many ET & UFO theories somewhat embarrassing. I prefer simple, mundane explanations, but I don’t disallow more creative ones, when simple and mundane don’t work. I try to be open-minded, and end up being called a ‘skeptic’, which doesn’t bother me. We create theories to try to explain things we don’t understand. ‘Mystery’ is inherent.

Zoam also says Lakenheath has been debunked.
To prove this, he cites a project where the five members say, up front, that “there are at least five different views of what the evidence represents!”
Also — and this is hilarious, and it’s got to be a little embarrassing for zoam, so please, no pointing and laughing — some of those member’s conclusions actually strengthen and support the ‘real UFO’ hypothesis!
Ouch.
I’m thinking that zoam might’ve missed this following part? (Heheh.)
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“In summary there is good qualitative and quantitative agreement in the case of Track C between various radar-measured and visually estimated values…. This degree of cohesion invites one to be very skeptical about the hypothesis of chance, particularly given that the radar track and – to a lesser extent – the visual reports are individually resistant to conventional interpretation. The simplest hypothesis remains that of a self-luminous body with a radar cross-section on the order of [10 meters squared] travelling at about Mach 4 on a flat trajectory at an altitude of about 3000′. However, such an object does not jibe with known aerospace developments in 1956 or with anything presently understood in the fields of atmospheric physics or meteoritics.”
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And notice, that’s a *conclusion*… from the very source zoam cited(!)… and is not the kind of out-of-context dicta that he often pastes in. (See above, re: the Kean quote.)
Yep… Lakenheath… debunked long ago, just as zoam said!

zoam says that Kean’s book advocates a world-wide UFO conspiracy theory, and he pretends to give us a quote that shows this… though, curiously, he provides no page number, and his quote is not even a complete sentence:
“Despite our own personal beliefs about alien spaceships, extraterrestrials, or government cover-ups…. we need a small government office to serve as a U.S. focal point in the investigation of carefully selected cases….”
There it is folks! Zoam’s proof of her advocacy of a world-wide conspiracy…. (Haha.)
A few things:
1) That’s not from the book.
2) He’s mis-quoted her. On purpose. Those two sentence fragments are not at all related. They’re several paragraphs apart, actually.
3) Obviously, even his non-sensical exercise in “creative citing” does not show her advocating a world-wide conspiracy theory.
Had zoam provided the rest of the sentence that begins with “Despite…,” and had he provided the actual cite, or at least the context, it would be clear that Kean is talking about the DIVERSITY of personal beliefs with respect to UFO’s, and how claims of “alien spaceships, extraterrestrials, or government cover-ups” in petitions such as Salas’ and Bassett’s are unfounded and counter-productive.
The article is from her “Proposing A New Way Forward” piece on the Huffington Post site.
I’m not sure exactly where the line between ‘lying’ and ‘purposely mis-leading’ is, but zoam seems to have set up permanent camp in its vicinity.

No, Nemo, all of that is untrue and complete nonsense. As I’ve repeatedly said, “real ‘UFO’ of any kind,” and that means exactly what it says, any kind of ambiguous thing that’s real. And the idea is totally divorced from consideration of the ETH, the least likely hypothesis of all. (g) “Real ‘UFO’ of any kind” has its origin in the century-old idea of impossible “phantom airships” haunting the skies. An idea which exposes the absurdity of the “UFO” meme generally. By definition, there can only be “UFO” REPORTS, and a report of the failure to identify does not create an unknown thing of any kind. “Unknown” of any kind is not an identity, it’s a mere designation for a report. I NEVER use “UFO” to mean flying saucer.

But none of that has anything to do with the rhetorical challenge to ANYONE to describe “a version of belief in the ‘UFO’ delusion that isn’t at least partly based in some appeal to mystery, to some secret or secret technology, a hidden world, an impossible governmental or cosmic conspiracy.” I think you know that such a version of “UFO” belief doesn’t exist.

But that challenge stands. You want to give it try, Nemo, or is handwaving nonsense going to be your contribution? (g)

Hey SttPt; Good try at pretending you haven’t made a complete fool of yourself citing that 1968 “conclusion” sentence on Lakenheath. “UFO” neophytes cite that sentence about as often as they do the ridiculous “Twining memo” from the beginning of flying-saucer hysteria. (g)

Now, do you need another example of why your posts are irrelevant? I know I don’t. (Hint) That and the fact that YOUR ignorance and irrationality are strangely transformed into my “mis-leading.” (LOL)

Let’s look at the basic findings on Lakenheath:

(Set against the background of a particularly intense Perseid meteor display)

“Most significantly, the aircrews originally involved in the incident, F/Os David Chambers and John Brady from the first aircraft and F/Os Ian Fraser-Ker and Ivan Logan from the second, were located and interviewed. The aircrews involved all flew with 23 Squadron from RAF Waterbeach and were scrambled at 02:00 and 02:40 on 14 August – around two hours later than Wimbledon and Perkins claimed the interceptions occurred.

“In contrast to the reports given in the original classified teleprinter message and in the accounts of both Wimbledon and Perkins, the aircrews both stated that the radar contacts obtained were unimpressive and that no ‘tail-chase’, or action on the part of the target, occurred. They also asserted no visual contacts were made. The first pilot, Chambers, commented that “my feeling is that there was nothing there, it was some sort of mistake”, while Ivan Logan, the second Venom’s navigator, stated that “all we saw was a blip which rather indicated a stationary target”. At the time 23 Squadron decided that the radar contact had, if anything, been with a weather balloon.

“To add to the contradictory nature of the accounts collected, another Venom crew was traced who had been scrambled much earlier in the evening. F/Os Leslie Arthur and Grahame Scofield were not told of the nature of their target and were forced to return to base after the aircraft’s wingtip fuel tanks malfunctioned; Scofield recalled listening in to the radio communications of the intercepting pilots while back at Waterbeach later in the evening.[14] Scofield’s account of the overheard radio transmissions agreed, puzzlingly, with those of Wimbledon and Perkins, though he felt able to identify the crews as Chambers / Brady and Fraser-Ker / Logan. The time and path of Scofield’s flight was identified as one which could also convincingly explain the sighting of a Venom at Ely by the civilian, Killock, who had claimed to see anomalous lights.

“The new research additionally revealed that 23 Squadron’s CO, Wing Commander (later Air Commodore) A. N. Davis, had also been diverted to investigate the radar returns while flying a Venom from RAF Coltishall. As the interception would have occurred at the same time as that described by Wimbledon and Perkins, it has been suggested that Davis and another pilot were the two described in their accounts.”

Albert: Zoam always means flying saucer when he says UFO; so he’s actually asking you to define a version of the ETH that doesn’t involve any current unknowns, or technology, or anything extraterrestrial. Similarly, he’s also previously asked for a list of scientists who don’t give any credence to the ETH, but who give credence to the ETH. I’m not actually certain whether he’s being sarcastic on these occasions.

Kean writes: “Despite our own personal beliefs about alien spaceships, extraterrestrials, or government cover-ups…. we need a small government office to serve as a U.S. focal point in the investigation of carefully selected cases….” (blah, blah, blah) Same old baloney, and I suppose Kean thinks she should head this new “Bluebook” office. (LOL)

Albert; “I’d like to hear a version of belief in the “UFO” delusion that isn’t at least partly based in some appeal to mystery, to some secret or secret technology, a hidden world, an impossible governmental or cosmic conspiracy.” Ready?

The phrase “conspiracy theory” is now used to debunk any theory about 2 or more persons in collusion. “Well, it’s just a conspiracy theory”, “You believe those conspiracy theories?” I see zoam has cited Wikipedia as an authority on UFO conspiracy theories. This is an example of Wiki’s “neutrality”:

“A UFO conspiracy theory is any one of many often overlapping conspiracy theories which argue that evidence of the reality of unidentified flying objects is being suppressed by various governments around the world. Such theories are often intentionally hoaxed, and are backed by little or no evidence, and absolutely no reliable evidence despite significant research on the subject by non-governmental scientific agencies,[1] and therefore, are considered pseudoscience. ”

Anyone interested in the subject who doesn’t understand that the idea of a worldwide conspiracy is fundamental and essential to the “UFO” myth and collective delusion simply doesn’t understand it. So it’s no surprise that defensive “UFO” believers, the victims of the delusion, claim or pretend that they don’t. But they’re not fooling anyone.

The idea of mystery and secrecy was an essential part of the “airship” hoaxes of 1896-97; and the “hidden world” was a fundamental aspect of the Shaver Mystery–the basis of the flying-saucer myth and the “UFO” delusion. After Palmer-manufactured flying-saucer hysteria took root, Donald “Keyhoe was one of the first significant conspiracy theorists, [and] asserted the US government was lying about UFOs and covering up information….”

I’d like to hear a version of belief in the “UFO” delusion that isn’t at least partly based in some appeal to mystery, to some secret or secret technology, a hidden world, an impossible governmental or cosmic conspiracy. As if such a version even exists! (LOL) The mystery or conspiracy angle, whose original purpose was to explain the origin of the “airships,” was transformed in the 1950s into the excuse for why there was no veracious evidence for the saucers or real “UFOs” of any kind. And an impossible worldwide governmental coverup, a cosmic-conspiracy straw-man, was required to justify that lack. What a Madison Avenue mass-media marketing device this was, the one used by every conspiramyth-mongering pseudoscientific “UFO” book-scribbling hack from Ray Palmer to Leslie Kean.

“A UFO conspiracy theory is any one of many often overlapping conspiracy theories which argue that evidence of the reality of unidentified flying objects is being suppressed by various governments around the world. Such theories are often intentionally hoaxed, and are backed by little or no evidence, and absolutely no reliable evidence despite significant research on the subject by non-governmental scientific agencies, and therefore, are considered pseudoscience.”

Zoam provides an excellent personal example of why it’s better to read original sources (e.g. Kean’s book) than rely on anonymous opinion. (While there are more than a few delusional pro-UFO individuals out there, I don’t believe that delusions are restricted to one side or the other, unfortunately.)

Looks like Zoam still has NOT read the book. There are plenty of people out there who believe in UFO conspiracies, but anyone who takes that information and then jumps to a conclusion and states that a “worldwide conspiracy is fundamental to belief in UFOs” has some basic flaws in their ability to process logical thoughts.

Major “Billy” Keyhoe; As if conspiracy theorists use the word “conspiracy” in their books to describe their harebrained theories. (g)

The imaginary “UFO” conspiracy is an understood necessary consequence of her, again fallacious, special pleading to the world: “The normal rules of evidence don’t apply to my argument for real ‘UFOs.'” (Because my “evidence” is really crummy.) In fact, the idea of a “worldwide conspiracy” is fundamental to belief in the “UFO” myth and delusion. If it’s not, then why have believers always been so desperate to make their case for real “UFOs” to the “disbelieving world?” Explain the silly “great taboo” to me, Mr Vincent. (LOL)

Thanks for the opportunity to demonstrate, yet again, how the “UFO” myth and delusion hasn’t progressed one bit in over sixty years.

zoam, I’ll lay off as soon as you quit purposely mis-leading….
It’s one thing to be skeptical and reach different conclusions. (I’m all for skepticism, and even agree with you about some of the more ridiculous aspects of some UFO beliefs.)
But it’s quite another thing to do what you do: spout on and on about the “UFO delusion,” claiming it’s 100% “myth,” all while you present clearly mis-leading or blatantly false information and avoid answering reasonable questions.
We now have at least two more examples of this from your last two posts alone:
1) You say Lakenheath was long ago solved (and you even provided a citation, which was a nice change!). Unfortunately, the pages you cited contain conclusions such as this: “There are five members of the [Lakenheath] Collaboration, and it is safe to say that at the present time there are at least five different views of what the evidence represents!” (Yep, sounds like it’s been explained.)
2) You said Kean’s book appeals to the “worldwide conspiracy” argument. I’ve asked you for a page number that demonstrates this. (So has the author of this blog.) You’ve replied since, but have ignored this. Is that because you’re being deliberately mis-leading, and know you can’t provide any page number? Or are you just really, really reckless with respect to your ‘facts’?
Given what I’ve seen from you in other threads, I unfortunately have to go with the former. But then the question arises: for what purpose?

Interesting article. The Universe seems far too old, large and diverse to have been created solely for the evolution of the human species. For those that say that ET would not have the technology to reach us; it is just over a century since we discovered flight. Prior to that, how many believed that flight was even possible? Many thought the earth was flat, and that the sun revolved around it! Hence, regarding ET / UFO, it may be best to keep an open mind.

Hey SttPt, whoever you are; Here’s the facts on the matter: Your posts sound like those of a twelve-year-old, or someone with the mental age of one. And both of of us demonstrating it repeatedly isn’t doing your credibility or the case for real “UFOs” any good.

Get it now? I don’t beat up on kids or half-wits online. Neither do I encourage stalking behavior. Now please endeavor to be civil.

But for the record, those old radar-visual cases in Condon, particularly Lakenheath 1956, were not only debunked after Condon by ordinary means, much more evidence has been uncovered over the past forty years that prove they never really happened the way they were originally reported. This is especially true of Lakenheath, for which documentation has been uncovered–and participants interviewed–proving that the extraordinary parts of the original fragmentary report considered by Condon never even happened.

@Billy, It’s the Repto Sapiens who want to know whether pizza is a vegetable. I don’t know why, since they are carnivores. They don’t eat humans, due to the lack of unpolluted, free range, grass fed Homo Sapiens available.

zoam, which part of Kean’s book argues that there’s a “worldwide conspiracy”? Can you cite a single page number?
No, you can’t.
Because she doesn’t advocate that view.
You’re lying again.
And it’s funny how you ran away last time I brought up those Condon Report radar-visual cases, the ones that remain highly strange and totally unexplained.
Where’d you go, zoam?!?
I understand. Those kinds of cases seriously challenge your “can’t-be-any-real-UFO’s” delusion, so you simply MUST ignore them. (Otherwise the world would be too scary….)

Joe Christopher; How many times have we heard this phony argument: “Skeptics don’t believe in the “UFO” delusion because they’re not informed on the subject.” All the information is available to all, skeptic and believer of every stripe, so that argument is nonsense. Exactly which so-called case is still a mystery to you? There’s not one significant “UFO” report that hasn’t been repeatedly debunked.

Kean’s book is just another “UFO” book no different than any other: it fallaciously assumes the answer “UFOs are real” but repeats the same old long-debunked reports (and reprints the same old laughably phony flying-saucer photos); it fallaciously appeals to the authority of “expert” pilot witnesses and former government officials; and it fallaciously and quite disingenuously appeals to ignorance in the form of some nonfalsifiable worldwide conspiracy whose resolution can never come because no answer will ever satisfy those who believe in the “UFO” myth and delusion. Kean’s book follows the same old “UFO” book formula. It’s pseudoscientific rubbish.

Joe; the “UFO” myth and delusion is very well understood by cultural historians and social psychologists; its origins and evolution are fully documented. It’s all nothing but a form of hysteria, a widespread irrational and false belief about the world which has absolutely no basis in fact. In 1896 a San Francisco newspaper told of the imminent arrival of the “airship,” crowds saw its lights, heard its motors and the voices of the crew. This was repeated for several nights and into the next year in cities across the country with such ubiquity that there would have to have been a fleet of “airships.” But there never were any “airships,” not even one…. Thanks for asking!

The government will never come clean- not while big business controls it. If there are any UFO materials in the hands of industry, it will never see the light of day. Lets face it, government, media and big business are all in the same chronic liars bed together. Any one member of them that jumps ship to share information with the public will be crushed.
If we people want answers we are on our own. The trick is, how to get good information past the media and related disinformation culture.

The conclusion that the whole UFO/AEP subject is all imagination doesn’t seem, to me, to be a very informed opinion. Read Leslie Kean’s 2010 “UFO’s…” as a primer. I dont see it as reasonable to throw away all sightings and experiences, including those by highly placed subject, as in Kean’s book, are all mistaken or hoaxes. Sorry, that doesn’t pass the red face test.

The very idea of “UFO disclosure­” is utter nonsense since the government doesn’t know anything about imaginary “UFOs.”

There aren’t any real “UFOs” of any kind and there never were. If there had been, we’d all know it already. It would be an indisputab­le fact in the world, not the subject of a fossilised pseudoscie­ntific myth and collective delusion.

There are no “UFO” facts in the world. The century-ol­d origin of the idea–impo­ssible ubiquitous phantom airships–­exposes its absurdity and informs that simple negative statement of fact about the world.

This should be all the proof any rational mind requires about this non-issue. Absence of evidence is very good evidence of the failure of an hypothesis­.

The differences in the posts show just how diverse and far-ranging the views are of those who believe in UFOs. Some want to understand a few unidentified lights in the sky, while others think we are being ruled by replitian masters. It just demonstrates why the field if UFOlogy is so diverse and disjointed.

I will say this, the more you look into this subject, the easier it is to get caught up in strange stuff. Honestly, I think the truth is far stranger than conventional belief allows.

Read the classic “The Gods of Eden” by William Bramley, if you want your reality seriously challenged. I started out interested in UFOs, but soon I was trying to grasp the theory that we are being controlled by an advanced race. Bramley provides a great deal of evidence to support these claims.

Why do we continue to kid ourselves? The United States Government, Intelligence Agencies, Dept. of Defense, no one in the G will EVER EVER disclose what if any UFO information there is. First off, whatever is really known is (IMHO) only known be a very tiny, itsy-bitsy FEW and they ain’t gonna talk .. ever! It does not matter how many great and grand UFO cases break, the media AIN’T never ever gonna report on it without holding their noses. Kind of like getting the media to VET Obama before the 2008 election … it just ain’t gonna happen. If anyone believes it will (God Bless em’, ain’t that CUTE?) they are just playing with themselves. It feels real good while you do, but it ain’t gonna get ya where you want to go. My 20 Plus years playing in that damned Sand Box told me so …. Like Larry King ask me everytime I was on his show … “When are they gonna land on the White House lawn Don?” My answer? “How in hell would I know Larry?”

Hi Billy, It’s been a long time since I did that ambush interview of Buzz Aldrin with you present. I’ve made a lot of progress since then. Apollo astronaut Dr. Edgar Micthell has agreed to have his own talk show about the UFOs he encountered, and ask for government disclosure, on the UFO Channel when we get it up and running. I’ll be bringing out that UFOs are not all flown by true extraterrestrials, the majority of them are owned and operated by our advanced Repto Sapien cousins, who share the Earth with us as their ancestral home world. They are historically cited in about 80 places in the Bible, being described as a SERPENT THAT WALKS UPRIGHT ON TWO LEGS AND IS AS TALL AS A CAMEL (8 FEET TALL). There are statues and temple paintings of them in nearly every ancient society. This has nothing to do with “religious beliefs.” It is a proven historical and archaeological fact. That’s why I wrote a book showing all of the real world evidence.

WARNING reveals a frightening alien agenda, a long-term program of social domination and periodic controlled genocide. Mankind is now in great danger. We have a terrible problem to overcome. Resolution requires international solidarity, then forcible negotiation with the aliens.

If nothing else, it’s revealing a few more details about the nature of the relationships between politicians, rich individuals and government.
Jefferson was concerned about the power of the banks; Eisenhower, the military-industrial relationship. I wonder how many Presidents understand how much they don’t know about the systems they preside over?
Being a Brit I wasn’t taught much about the American revolution and I didn’t realize how close a call it was. If things had swung the other way, the key individuals would have been tried for conspiracy against the Crown, instead of becoming American heroes. How many people around today are willing to take similar risks with entire nations?

Bassett is not a ufo nut. He is a very intelligent man who knows what he is talking about. the thelogicalist has the right to his or her opinion but also does Bassett and myself but thelogicalist does not need to call Bassett names or anyone who agrees with him. that is childish. the government is hiding info about aliens. other countries tell their people about what they know about aliens. if you are going to call people names have the guts to sign your real name. marylou schmidt

The government will not disclose anything due to a petition from an American Blue Blood. Instead, focus should be concentrated on obtaining more credible evidence of a sighting, presence. That may yield something with which to petition the goverment. (There are far too many good reasons why they shouldn’t disclose as they should.) D2