.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

they do seem a little conflicted in the message :-D i grabbed this one because it came from the NYT. any one else and it might not have been so interesting.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

WHAT? I wish just once these "news" people at the New York Times would spit the brie and wine out and write about the real dynamics of the Middle East, like the role that tribalism plays in the lives of the people from Morocco to Cambodia, and beyond.

This Arab revolution thing all started in Tunisia where one member of a tribe on the outside looking in, burned himself to death to expunge the personal shame and humiliation associated with being arrested, and having his un-licensed vegetable cart seized by a woman police officer, from the dominant tribe. I personally feel the young man had a case, his mother said her son offered the police woman the customary bribe, but she refused the money. Believe me, in Arab countries only the lowest of the low can’t bribe their way past the police, especially a female cop who is not supposed to even speak to a male in the line of duty.

Give me a break. Hey, better yet give yourself, your children, and your grand children a break, (before long their going to need one badly) do a little research on your own. Don't take my word for it, find out the truth for yourself, but even better, don't take the word of those hack writing imbeciles at The New York Times, they are spinning you and the truth like a toy top.

The people in this part of the world don't want democracy, at least they don't want democracy like you or for that matter I understand democracy. This revolution business is just an opportunity to put their sandals on the necks of those who have oppressed them, (the "revolutionary" tribe) for decades if not centuries. In another twenty or fifty years the worm will have turned 180 degrees and 2011's democrat (little d) tribes will have become Tunisia's, Egypt's and Libya’s mid 21st century oppressor tribes.

I ask you now and I ask you to respond again in 30, 90, 180, 365, 1,000 and 10,000 days and tell me is Egypt any closer to democracy now than she was say in 2009! Remember now, I asked first.

Kingbee, are you saying that the best the people of the Arab world can ever hope for is oppression by a dictator? There is no other option for them, ever? That is indeed depressing. As dysfunctional as our government is, at least we’re not stuck with one guy for 40 years at a time.

Kingbee, are you saying that the best the people of the Arab world can ever hope for is oppression by a dictator?...

No, I am not saying that. I am asking you what is an Egyptian. A Saudi? A Jordanian? Do you know? I don't. Yet we all seem to think that each of these Western names is a separate country populated by a separate peoples with a common history. It ain't so. In Saudi Arabia there are several tribes (nations in waiting) all struggling for supremacy. Other (so called) nations are hopelessly fragmented.

Every ethnic or tribal group in the Middle East wants its own national (read the word national as TRIBAL) homeland. Instead, we insist on them copying the German national model which England in the 19th Century and the UN today dictating the shape of national borders.

Many if not most people in this area hate their neighbors and would happily rip their neighbors' eyes out if left alone. Dictators are all that prevents bloody murder now. Iraq under Saddam Hussein is a good example. Iraq could well become three or even five separate nations like the United States of America will soon be.

Look at the artificial European national divisions once called The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, (USSR) and Yugoslavia, or Czechoslovakia. The last two are Woodrow Wilson’s creations, and will likely self-destruct into 12 or more separate nations. I think the current total is ten. Even at that stray particles of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia will attach themselves to Italy, Austria, Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia, Albania, Kosovo, Greece, and on and on and on. The USSR dissolved into 15 nations with many more to come.

Tribalism is even more rampant or common in Africa. When the Africa tribes get into the swing of killing their (to our eyes) countrymen, the past violence in Rwanda, Uganda, and the Congo will look like a silly fraternity boy prank.

it is one of the things that makes the US unique. we chose to form and to mix. other than Australia, there are no there are no countries that have had this choice and made it work.

it is one of the reasons that so many of us are against the hyphenated way that people identify themselves. we are Americans, or eventually, we are a failed state.....

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I’m not a sociology expert but what you say about tribalism sounds logical. But weren’t we all small tribes at one time? Actually weren’t we all of the same tribe at one point in history? Why can’t tribes co-exist?

It seems to me that problems start when tribes or groups of people are oppressed by a government. They feel disenfranchised and then want to break away from who’s controlling them. I think something like that happened 235 years ago. In our case, at the time weren’t most people here (minus the natives) of the same ‘tribe’ as their countrymen in the British Isles?

I’m not refuting that tribalism exists, I’m just hopeful that maybe people can come together for a greater good. Maybe I’m un-realistic.

there are many pre-history examples of tribes merging when some disaster struck. tribes migrated and married into other tribes. eventually, they lost individual identity and became one.

in this country there were many (the majority) who were not in favor of breaking with England. if we had not had organized and very smart people making and executing the plan and post war plan, we would have failed. they had a vision and the ability to make that vision a reality.

we also had some advantages. we had space. we had natural resources. by the time we had our revolution, we had a survivor mentality. coming here and making a living was hard work. the tribal mentality was not entirely gone. people of like mind and background tended to stick together.

what is different now for us? we have less space. we have fewer resources shared between many more people. we have a large number of people who are not survivors and who produce nothing. we have people who exist to makes sure that there are divisions between people by race, economic status, etc. we are more tribal now than we have ever been and it's getting worse. the idea that the individual effort and reward are what make a people great, is pretty much gone. the idea that you owe an allegiance to a country that gives you the opportunity to succeed and be free, is gone. we are close to a 50/50 split between those who produce and those who have their hand out.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

I suggest you ask the prophet Moses that question. Better yet read a little history either written by, or made by Moses. Start with the Bible and read Numbers; Chapter 31. Blue, where do you think the Nazis’ learned how to commit war crimes on a grand scale?

Next, you may want to check into that little Clan Campbell v Clan MacDonald brouhaha thing in Scotts' Land. Don't forget those "peaceful" Native American tribes like the Aztecs (the PC crown are always gushing about the Aztecs) I wish to remind you that it was the Aztec who raised captive human sacrifice... (Oops, sorry, I meant to type involuntary open-heart surgery) to a high art form. :roll:

...Why can’t tribes co-exist? It seems to me that problems start when tribes or groups of people are oppressed by a government.

Oppression of other governments and other peoples is what we humans invented governments to do. It’s the only thing governments do well. That and somewhat restraining the most unruly citizens among us until their knack for violence is needed by society. I am not making excuses for us humans, Blue. I am just pointing out the obvious to you.

...In our case... weren’t most people here (minus the natives) of the same tribe as their countrymen in the British Isles?

Are you refering to the Scotsmen, the Irish, the Welsh, the Anglo-Saxons, the Huguenot French, the Catholic French, the Extremadura Spanish, the Dutch, the Portuguese, Walloons, Norse French, Swedes, Prussians, Pomeranians, Hessians, Norwegians, Vikings, religious exiles like the Pilgrims, Anglo-Catholics, Baptist, Anti-Baptist, Irish-Catholics, British-Catholics, Quakers, Scots Irish, or Jews? Just which untribal tribe or clan did we all spring from back there in jolly old England?

The "Native" Americans were certainly tribal, how you think they got tagged with the name "Indian Tribes?" Guess what, Indians are not interested in loosing their tribal identity either. Tribes may make alliances with each other when it is to their mutual benefit. In the late thirties or early forties so did the USA with Great Britain or Italy with Germany, Germany with Russia, Russia with Japan, Japan with Germany, France with Great Brittan, Great Brittan and France with Norway, Germany with Finland, pant, pant, pant phew.

...I’m not refuting that tribalism exists, I’m just hopeful that maybe people can come together for a greater good. Maybe I’m un-realistic.

I think you are slightly naive, meaning you have never considered the issue, so lets get started, what is the greater good you speak of is, other than maintaining the tribe and therefore tribalism. This is not written to put you down but to encourage you to think for yourself and too help you break away from those Politically Correct elite so called writers, down there at the New York Times. Good talking to you Blue. Have a good day, and may all your honey flows be long ones.

Don't eat crow Blue. It's a long road that never turns. However, I have watched Egypt starting with King Farouk, through Gamal Abdel Nasser, up until the present. I have yet to see much if any change, and neither has the Egyptians. What the Egyptian Army is about is saving their "bacon" from a revolutionary movement that if left to its own devices will eat its own young, similar to what happened or is happening in Iran. No Army worth it's salt want's war. All revolutions (well almost all revolutions) ends up fighting multiple wars mostly to keep the revolutionaries in power by setting up straw men to distract the population. Armies know this and that they will be the ones who will suffer first, and be the ones who will suffer the most in case of war. Then if the war is lost.... well that's the Army's fault isn't it, and heads will roll. The army is danged if they do and danged if they don't. The Yum Kipper war is a good example. Once a war starts no one knows when, were, or how it will end.

It seems that Hillary Clinton had her own up close and personal moment in Egypt today, similar to George Bush’s "special" moment in Iraq or Vice President Nixon’s “special" moment in South America. Does this mean that Hillary is ready to change political parties now and become a Republican??? LOL!!! Don’t you love it when a plan matures or comes together? Check out what the Egyptians were calling Hillary.

I don’t know what to think :? Nothing like biting the hand that feeds you :(

Just another example why we should not be borrowing money from China to give to these places that hate us. Let the Saudias give them money if they need money. Unfortunately our Dems and Republicans are spendaholics and can't resist giving away our $$$$. If they’re going to spend money we don’t have, at least spend it at home….it least here it has a chance of stimulating the economy.

the thing is, the turn Egypt has taken was fully predictable. you had passionate kids with good intentions backed by the power of the radicals...calling for "democracy". there is no way for that to end well. there is a reason the the Muslim Brotherhood has been stomped on by the more secular Arab/Persian governments. it is the same reason the more secular countries tossed out the so called Palestinians.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

Unfortunately all power is vested in the hand that holds the purse strings. What is the use of acquiring and holding onto power if you're not allowed to wield your power in an arbitrary or capricious fashion? Where's the fun in that?

Ah to be sure the S'aud government does provide welfare money to the Egyptian people. The King of S'aud Arabia is King Abdullah. In Aribic his name means Allah's or God's Slave. King Abdullah via the Saudi kingdom funds Madrases a.k.a. religious of parochial schools in Egypt.

“(This story was reported for Reuters by an independent journalist, whose name is withheld for security reasons)DAMASCUS (Reuters) - For months, most of Syria's minority sects stood warily on the sidelines of the revolt by the Sunni Muslim majority against President Bashar al-Assad's Alawite-dominated rule.

But in Damascus, neighborhood vigilante groups are arming themselves in Christian, Druze and Shi'ite Muslim areas, throwing up sectarian borders across Syria's capital in alliance with Assad's forces.

"We protect our area from terrorists. We check all the cars coming in, and anyone we're suspicious of," says Sameer, 32, one of four men with rifles sipping tea under a stone archway in the Christian quarter of the historic old city.

By "terrorists" Sameer, a cab driver with the Virgin Mary and a cross tattooed on his arms, means the mostly Sunni rebels who have fallen back to an arc of suburbs on the eastern outskirts after fierce battles with Assad's forces in July.

Residents fear that far from protecting them, the self-styled popular committees have merely made them targets.

"It's not a matter of whether they become militias. They are militias already," said a 20-year-old who lives in the old city …”

And the beat goes on.... and on.... and on.... and .....oh never mind...

What did Obama mean when he asked the Russians to give him more room to maneuver?

Is this what he had in mind. Now Egypt is telling us, no not asking us to pass the collection plate for the Muslim Brotherhood. You beeks better dump your honey on the market and turn over all the Shekels you raise to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

A prominent Egyptian cleric said U.S. aid to Egypt is a mandatory tribute that America must pay to honor the Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian revolution.

This taxpayer aid constitutes a “poll tax” that America must pay to placate the Muslim Brotherhood, according to Khaled Said, a cleric who serves as the official spokesman for the country's Salafi Front, an extremist political party that has called for Islamic law in Egypt. “They pay so that we will let them be,” Said stated in a recent interview on Egyptian television. Said’s remarks come on the heels of Secretary of State John Kerry’s announcement that the United States has allocated another $250 million in aid to Egypt. “If the revolution declares a framework for dealing with the West and America — they will accept it, kiss our hands, and double the aid they give us,” Said said during his television appearance, according to a translation of his remarks by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).

“We consider this aid to be jizya [a poll tax], not regular aid.”

I hope you people are happy with Obama's "RE-SET" in US Arab relations.

For if Obama and his functionaries like Senators Hillary Clinton and John Kerry do not know or understand the mindset of the foreign nations they deal with, then these functionaries are unqualified to hold the high offices they now occupy. If on the other hand these functionaries know and understand how the Muslim Brotherhood thinks and then blindly fords ahead, pulling us behind them into ever deeper water, then their actions are TREASON and they deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the laws that they have willfully violated.

.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

Many saw this when we turned our back on Mubarak. We showed once again we will not support our allies when the chips are down. It is no wonder the Muslim Brotherhood would expect all money and positive talk to keep flowing from Washington. Recent history supports their view.

... All revolutions (well almost all revolutions) ends up fighting multiple wars... to keep the revolutionaries in power by setting up straw men to distract the population...

I have it on fairly good authority that on or about the first week in February 2012 an unsuccessful assassination attempt was made on North Korea's Weakling turned Strongman Kim Jong Un. This supposedly resulted in a 30 minute fire fight between rival factions in the North Korean Army/Government.

IMHO, The saber rattling, saber whetting, drawing, and banishing that North Korea is currently involved with is an attempt by Kim Jong Un to implement the policy outlined by me in the above quote. :buttkick:

The stroke of genius is that Kim is perpairing to use the US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corp to discipline his army and purge his armed forces of dissident elements. At the same time Kim will "show" his civilian population that he was right about the USA all along. Then win loose or draw, when the white flags go up Kim will emerge in a much stronger position. But hey, you and I will get the honor or maybe it is the horror of paying for it out of our 401k retirement accounts and/or in our children's blood. "We asked for it and we got it." So sorry!

+ N Korea provides a neat distraction from what's going on in Iran. we may have a little bit of N. Korea playing Japan to Irans Germany. we can't fight on two fronts...we are in much the same position we were in pre-WW2 with the added negatives of unions and OSHA. we'd never be able to do today, what we did then.

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... It's a gamechanger for the public to stop assuming the public servants are ignorant....

I you know like the above quote better this way.

"You Know" Here is a little "You Know" video of an interview that Obama's "You Know" new Ambassador to "You Know" Japan gave when she was running for "You Know" New York's U.S. Senator a few "Like You Know years ago.To be honest the interview was originally 30 minutes long and this is a triangulated version of her "You Know" interview. But do be mindful of this, The person conducting the interview consumed 10 minutes or more of the time asking the like "You Know" questions. That means like you know 45 you knows in 20 minutes or less. The rest of the world are pointing their fingers and laughing at us behind your "Like You Know" back. Enjoy. Caroline Kennedy : "Ya know..."

LOL....i remember that. but they are supposed to be the smart party...you know?

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

...... we are in much the same position we were ...pre-WW2 with the added negatives of unions and OSHA. we'd never be able to do today, what we did then.

A larger share of the work force was unionized in 1941 than are unionized today. The difference is the Federal Government's commitment to the national defence and the general welfare or the common good, plus the work ethic of the American worker that makes the differance. On 12/07/1941 Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. On December 10, 1941 Hitler declared war on the USA and soon after Germany launched unrestricted submarine warfare on two of America's three coasts.

At that time all Texas and Oklahoma crude oil destined for the East Coast was shipped in tanker ships. In the month of May 1942 alone, 56 US Ships were sunk by Uboats in the Gulf of Mexico, most of them oil tankers. Between February 1942 and May of the same year German Uboats also sank 348 US ships in the Atlantic Ocean. This is a total of 404 ships sent to Davey Jones Locker in only 4 months. Today it takes the USA longer than 4 months to name the next U. S. Navy war ship.

Despite early opposition the USA finally decided to build a pipeline from the Texas-Oklahoma oil fields to today's Rust Belt. One pipeline was named the Big Inch Pipeline and was 24 inches in diameter. A companion pipeline named the Little Big Inch Pipeline was laid beside the Big Inch pipeline. The Little Big Inch Pipeline was for refined products. Together they transported 490,000 barrels per day of petroleum to America's East Coast to help power the American war effort. Counting the feeder lines running to the well heads and Gulf Coast refineries the Big inch and the Little Big Inch Pipelines stretched for over 6,000 miles. By September 10 1942 there were 8 pipe laying crews at work after a contract was signed in June. By August 17 1943 the final weld was made in New Jersey and soon afterwards oil began to flow. This pipe line is still in operation almost 70 years later.

The Keystone Pipeline was first proposed in early 2005. After the final 3 years of the Bush Administration and after the first 5 years of the Obama Administration there is still not even a final route chosen. The current administration is always bad mouthing our energy policy and saying that we are at risk if we depend on Middle Eastern potentates for our Petroleum needs. Earth to Space Ship Barry... Come in Barry! Flash communication arriving... Canada is not in the Middle East, nor is it one of the 57 states you visited, Rodger Dodger Barry, over and out. I just thought that you would like to know in case Obama tries again to lay the blame on that POOR little Connticut WASP Yale frat boy G. W. Bush.

For you who may be wondering who is behind the case of the slows that the Keystone Pipeline is infected with here is an partial list of the guilty parties, no usual suspects here, Lennox Yearwood, Chief Jacqueline Smith, Van Jones, Crystal Lameman, Michael Brune, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont). The latter Senator is one of at least two current US Senators who openly call themselves Marxist.

Now tell me you wouldn't be speaking low German today or looking for a menorah to smash if the Big and Little Big Inch Pipelines had never been laid.

Oh, inorder to prove to you that today's Democrat Party is not your Grand Daddy's Democrat party the Democrat party functionary in charge of building the Big Inch and the Little Big Inch Pipelines was FDR's Secretary of the Interior, one Harold Ickeys. Does the name ring a bell? It should.

"Ickes grew up a political scion who hated politics. Born in Washington and raised on a 250-acre farm in Maryland, he is the son of Harold LeClair Ickes ("Old Curmudgeon" to his friends), FDR's interior secretary, an architect of the New Deal's Public Works Administration, and the longest-serving cabinet member in American history..."

Ickes has worked on a slew of presidential campaigns— Eugine McCarthy's in 1967, Jimmy Carter's in 1976, Ted Kennedy's in 1980, Walter Mondale's in 1984, Jesse Jackson's in 1988. In 1992 Ickes landed in the wet and warm embrace of Bill and Billary Clinton. It was in 1996 while working for Bill and Billary Clinton that Ickes invented the political strategy of unlimited "Soft Money" donations to political campaigns. Infact it was ickes' and his unlimited soft money donations along with Bill and Billary Clintons' ethics or the lack there of, :jail: that are responsible for well known Democrat talking head Dick Morris bolting the Democrat Party.

Harold Ickes father (the longest serving cabinat member of any political party in history) brushed aside all opposition both political, and physical to built an oil pipeline to help the United States stay independent. Now the same Democrat Party is Hell bent on insuring that we become a vassal state to S'aud Arabia, Egypt, or both. I can get you beeks a good deal on a Muslim prayer rug or a burka for your wife, PM me. :lau:

.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called the government. They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

Every time I find the Nation of Islam hawking news papers on a street corner I pony up a dollar for one. You can't pay a spy's bus fare that cheaply.

Some here are confusing Conservatives with the Tea Party or worst. If you'll only read the Nation of Islam's news paper Final Call just once you will never need to sit through another boaring Tea Party meeting ever again. The Tea Party is just the Nation of Islam dressed up in White Face.

OK, I will bite. How in the world is the TEA Party movement anything like the Nation of Islam? Seems a ludicrous statement on its face, though I'm sure you have a long and interesting explanation. I do agree that the TEA Party is more libitarian than conservative.

kingbee doesn't seem to know much about the tea party. must be getting his info from MSNBC :evil:

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A certain group I support recently held a certain senator's foot to the fire. He wrote us a letter, ensuring he would " do the right thing !" A member of the gang of eight. Its unfortunate people still misrepresent what the Tea Party is all about.

....Every ethnic or tribal group in the Middle East wants its own ...homeland. Instead, we insist on them copying the German national model [imposed on Germany by England in the mid 19th Century or the UN] dictating the shape of borders. Many if not most people in this area ...would happily rip their neighbors' [eyeballs] out if left alone....

… In less than 3 hours it will be 448 days (I think) since I [first] posted the above about Egypt, has anything changed?

OK. Another 376 days have come and gone since I posted the above about Egypt for a total of 824 days closing in on a 1,000 days. Don’t tell me that, “Rome wasn’t built in a day” BS. I know how to read. If you do bring up that quip I wish to remind you that

“Yes, it took a lot longer than one day to build Rome, but it only required one day for the Roman Obama, (the deluded emperor Nero) to turn the Eternal City of Rome into a hissing pile of smoking ash.”

Now the American Nero is disarming his own citizens while arming the Middle Eastern Barbarians while training them on how to clean you plow on the one hand, while wolfing down your lunch with the other.

Remember, I told you that the Egyptian Military is not keen on fighting an offensive war say with the Israelis and running the risk of being maimed or dying for a corrupt regime that only hands out benefits like the Democrat Party does, first to its own power base and then from the top down after that.

That type of government is only loyal to its own power base or tribal origins. The Muslim Brotherhood seemingly wants to create a generation of Egyptian widows, orphans, legless baggers, blind men, and grieving mothers by helping their all powerful god Allah, achieve his heavenly master plan for humanity here on Earth. Unfortunately for them (or maybe fortunately for us) this is how Arab Culture has always operated.

.Every ethnic or tribal group in the Middle East wants its own ...homeland.

The Muslim Brotherhood seemingly wants to create a generation of Egyptian widows, orphans, legless baggers, blind men, and grieving mothers by helping their all powerful god Allah, achieve his heavenly master plan for humanity here on Earth. Unfortunately for them (or maybe fortunately for us) this is how Arab Culture has always operated.

the muslim brotherhood is an arab nationalist/muslim homeland bunch. always have been. the reason the dictators suppressed them was because the muslim brotherhood (among others) want only one unified muslim state. to that end, they destabilized every arab and persian muslim government they could. we have been fed the idea the various factions of muslims will not work together, indeed, hate each other. when it comes to achieving the unified muslim state, they will and do work together.

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