go ugly early, get bad, really bad. It'll hurt at first, but then we can make a run in the next offseason and finally build a team designed to win a championship.

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

aoxo1 wrote:There is no contingency plan to have that can't be made over the next several months. It's not like they could all of a sudden make a flurry of moves to take the team in another direction.

Not entirely true IMO. I think they need to start looking at dumping some of our better pieces in an attempt to bottom out for a higher draft pick next draft. Right now I'd think some of the top teams should be looking at guys like Andy, Mo, and Antwan as free for the taking.

Not that those guys would make a team, but if you're LA and you see other teams getting better why not see if you can get Mo for Sasha Vujcic and cash? They need a PG, and if they have the cash available he'd be a good option at this point in free agency.

From our perspective, we could give Gibson the starting PG duties and know that we'd lose more games because of this. And we'd be dumping salary for the future.

Shoot, even OKC may make sense for Jamison, I don't know. But there should be at least one or two moves we could do to help speed up the rebuilding process.

aoxo1 wrote:There is no contingency plan to have that can't be made over the next several months. It's not like they could all of a sudden make a flurry of moves to take the team in another direction.

Not entirely true IMO. I think they need to start looking at dumping some of our better pieces in an attempt to bottom out for a higher draft pick next draft. Right now I'd think some of the top teams should be looking at guys like Andy, Mo, and Antwan as free for the taking.

Not that those guys would make a team, but if you're LA and you see other teams getting better why not see if you can get Mo for Sasha Vujcic and cash? They need a PG, and if they have the cash available he'd be a good option at this point in free agency.

From our perspective, we could give Gibson the starting PG duties and know that we'd lose more games because of this. And we'd be dumping salary for the future.

Shoot, even OKC may make sense for Jamison, I don't know. But there should be at least one or two moves we could do to help speed up the rebuilding process.

Why do you make them now rather than in January/February, when teams are less confident about their chances, have absorbed some injuries, had their weaknesses exposed, and the focus has shifted more in favor of the present season than the future? Teams can get nothing in return for players, but that's when they are over the cap trying to shed salary. The Cavs are well under the cap and won't be under pressure to dump Mo or Jamo's contracts.

And yeah Hiko, those guys would help a little. A little.

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aoxo1 wrote:Why do you make them now rather than in January/February, when teams are less confident about their chances, have absorbed some injuries, had their weaknesses exposed, and the focus has shifted more in favor of the present season than the future? Teams can get nothing in return for players, but that's when they are over the cap trying to shed salary. The Cavs are well under the cap and won't be under pressure to dump Mo or Jamo's contracts.

I agree that there are benefits to your scenario, but there are negatives as well. I'm not certain that we'll get that good of offers closer to the trade deadline, but it's entirely possible.

Personally, I'd prefer to shed them now so that we aren't favored against the some of the very bad teams in the league. An 18 win season sounds better to me than a 30 win season strictly for the increased odds at the top pick in next years draft.

It's not a salary cap issue, it's a high draft pick issue IMO. The route I'd take right now is to try and trade for prospects that teams are down on (I'll mention Thabeet again) if you can while dumping our solid vets. If we don't do that it'll be nearly impossible to get another star player on this roster.

Grant nearly has me with gun to head. He is poster child for corporate stuffed shirt. His answers are empty and totally off target. More and more questions went to Scott where you at least get an answer. Unless this guy is some whiz at his desk, and just horrible behind the mic. I'm scared.

Could also be that he just is sooooooooooo smart and savvy that he knows giving any single detail could spell doom. There is no way in hell they didn't have all the contingency plans worked out. Whether those plans make sense is another deal. I'm sure Blanks and others took care of that while he focused on LeBron. Dear gawd learn how to handle a question or two...

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