I'm losing patience with Windows Phone!

I agree that the lack of a flagship phone in the near future is extremely worrying. I don't understand why Microsoft bothered buying Nokia if they aren't going to invest in flagship models as its those phones that get everyone's attention, not bargain basement ****!!!

I've been a long and dedicated WP user, starting from a base of long experience with Microsoft. Every update to the phone OS has been eagerly awaited, imbued with hope that MS will finally come out with a new, improved WP that will take it to the big leagues with iOS and Android. It gets better, but it's barely keeping up, not surging ahead. Microsoft is losing the smartphone war, and I don't see any hope that that will change. Too bad, and I hope I'm wrong, but there are tech winners and losers as the market sorts itself out. WP is slipping into the dustbin of history.

I agree that the lack of a flagship phone in the near future is extremely worrying. I don't understand why Microsoft bothered buying Nokia if they aren't going to invest in flagship models as its those phones that get everyone's attention, not bargain basement ****!!!

Because they are focused on Windows 9 and Windows Phone 9 ..... So a flagship for that OS will be out soon.
As MS work on WP9 .. The remaining Nokia members would design and build a new device around it and after seeing the HTC one with windows they might just do something good. also remember the finishing touches need to be put on the 830 and 730 to round out Nokia's / MS mobile's line up.

I would also think that MS would change up the product lineup from the next generation device or WP9 devices aka X40 series ... so its a wait game.

Just pray that WP9 and Windows 9 are awesome and brings them on bar with IOS and Android so people will wanna use it more as well as develop for it we need NEW API's and overall enhancements / faster / new animations .... yada yada

I like to buy my phones because I like the OS, and not because what apps it has...[/I]
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Well, I think that's why most of the current WP users are here, especially the higher end phone users. But, I agree that it's ultimately still a problem that we lack so many games for mobile gamers and apps (like banking ones). This will always be a legitimate concern, whether exaggerated or not, for Android and iOS users. At the end of the day this is a marketshare issue that Microsoft really needs to work on, IMO, primarily through better marketing.

Originally Posted by jonahtrav

I have to agree with you ... I can't understand why MS hasn't fixed their Music , video or Skype and other apps...MS can't do anything about other people's app ,but not fixing your own...makes no sense.

Well, I believe that the incompetence comes from how big and disorganized Microsoft has seemed over the years. I've read a few articles here and there about the different cultures all under one roof. The restructuring that's going on most likely isn't helping either.

Originally Posted by prasath1234

Ya I second you .mobile phone is only for that purpose but smartphone means apppppps.

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Is it though? I always though that was more so apple's message more than anyone else's. i may be wrong though.

Originally Posted by spasell

Hit it right on the head. The OP was right to talk about it. Why? Because those of you that love the WP will not have access to said WP if the entire platform does not improve and get more market share. It's in the best interest of the community to make suggestions and improvements and rant a little. That type of passion is needed. The hardware is beautiful...in my opinion, better than Apple and Samsung phones (HTC much better now) but due to the limitation of some very basic apps, sadly, no one wants to adopt. Oh well. I use the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and was thinking about making a change, but there are so many apps I use that I didn't realize I rely on, I could never make the change. Wish I could though...

BTW. I bought a SP3 coming from Apple MacAir and LOVE IT. There is hope to convert some if you offer the better OVERALL experience.

What are the apps? I remember a couple of years ago the verge had a thread dedicated to finding alternatives or 3rd parties to apps from iOS and Android because people kept repeating this line but never said what apps.. If I recall correctly, the conclusion was that most people would most likely be able to switch without much fuss assuming that they weren't gamers. But yeah, all in all, WP lacks the sheer number so we do miss out on some indie/startup hits or get abandoned by first parties. But I just don't think it's as bad as some people make it to be. I especially think that people don't use the apps they say they do as much as they think sometimes.

Originally Posted by boxa72

I agree that the lack of a flagship phone in the near future is extremely worrying. I don't understand why Microsoft bothered buying Nokia if they aren't going to invest in flagship models as its those phones that get everyone's attention, not bargain basement ****!!!

Like Tobias said, most likely for WP9. It's still a bit stressfull, though, because we may have to wait like 8 months for high end software, and by then the Note 4, nexus 6, and large screen iphones will have been released with a GS6 on it's way early next year. Also, I think nokia is till somewhat important as a brand name in some countries.

Originally Posted by Brandon Tobias

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Just pray that WP9 and Windows 9 are awesome and brings them on bar with IOS and Android so people will wanna use it more as well as develop for it we need NEW API's and overall enhancements / faster / new animations .... yada yada

TBH, I'm praying that Microsoft and OEMs get their act together when it comes to marketing and displaying.

Do like me... go back and forth between wp, android and iphone. get sick of one then move on. It never gets old...

nah ima go back to androids and Blackberry 10 this is like the third time this week my phone has crashed ..... or touching the screen just went un responsive .... idk wth is going on with this 920 lol ....

I've been a long and dedicated WP user, starting from a base of long experience with Microsoft. Every update to the phone OS has been eagerly awaited, imbued with hope that MS will finally come out with a new, improved WP that will take it to the big leagues with iOS and Android. It gets better, but it's barely keeping up, not surging ahead. Microsoft is losing the smartphone war, and I don't see any hope that that will change. Too bad, and I hope I'm wrong, but there are tech winners and losers as the market sorts itself out. WP is slipping into the dustbin of history.

The latest example of Microsoft falling short with its phone products:
I installed the eagerly awaited 8.1 upgrade, only to find that it broke the contacts search functionality.
I have over 5000 contacts on my phone, so if I can't search them, it's useless.

After a bunch of rooting around for a solution, I finally bit the bullet and RESET the phone back to its factory settings.
I then screwed around with it for another couple of hours restoring it to its proper functionality (with the upgrade). And this fixed the contacts search problem.

Years of such screw-ups by Microsoft have given me lots of experience fixing their problems, but it's getting very old. I'm sure many of you have similar war stories.

How do ordinary users, who lack this level of commitment, patience and tech savvy, ever deal with their Microsoft products?

As it turns out, its not easy to make a properly working OS as quickly as Microsoft needs to do so.. They should've switched to the NT kernel a long time ago, but I guess the hardware wasn't ready to take it.

If you want a somewhat reliable OS with apps/support you are going to have to settle for iOS 7/8 for now and wait until things stabilize. We are yet to go trough another major upgrade once they merge Windows RT with WP... hopefully by this time next year the Windows will be mature enough... being a beta tester sucks.

Why would they listen to their customers? According to 99% of the people on this forum Windows phone is perfect, if you have a complaint or are dissatisfied in any way it is because YOU are too weak to "handle a windows phone". So really why should they improve? I knew right from the beginning you were going to get attacked but it's not because the people here don't have app envy towards iOS and Android....it's because many of them do. I completely agree with you. I bought a Nokia 920( coming from a galaxy s3) and was disappointed by the apps(which all felt like bootlegged bloatware and not REAL apps) and some of the weird things the phone did. Like when you start playing music and then stop every time you push the volume button afterwards the music player shows up. I had to download an app to stop that from happening. Little things like that really irritated me. I also found the camera quality to be over-hyped. The phone looked nice but that "resuming" nonsense and other little quirks really got on my nerves. I ended up returning the 920 a couple of days ago (Could only stomach it for 28 days) and ordering an iPhone 6. Hopefully my experience will be better with Apple. I am not in the habit of waiting for a platform to get better. That's not what I pay my money for and I am pretty sure that's a big reason that Windows Phone is struggling now. Not many people want to pay money for a platform that has "potential" but doesn't deliver.

Originally Posted by big dooze

wow, I must be the only person who thinks there are flaws with the platform! Everyone that has been ganging up on me must not have ANY app resentment toward IOS & Android, AND all of their peripheral devices are 100% supported and the Windows ecosystem lives up to ALL of their wishes. To me, the Microsoft ecosystem is broken. They broke it when they stripped Zune app (functionality) away and forced us to use Xbox Music which it took 2 years to get a video App, a music app that is half-baked and can someone please explain to me....why on gods green earth do podcasts "require" their own app?

The Billion dollar company you speak of had better start listening to its customers, since they have made mistake after mistake in the consumer space since the Xbox 360, de-coupling Zune from the Phone OS, discontinuing Windows Media Center, Windows RT, Windows 8 Modern interface, Xbox One release marketing....do I need to continue? At 2.5% of the market share, I don't foresee Microsoft supporting this OS much longer, I REALLY hope I am wrong because despite what you think , I do enjoy it. I love the fact it doesn't look like an iPhone or Android, but I hate the fact it gets little more attention than blackberry...but ESXCUSE THE HELL OUT OF ME for voicing my opinion on this forum.