The article uses only 19 data points and very subjective definitions of "rebuild", "tanking", "post-rebuild", and "success" so I don't get much out of that at all. Of course it's harder to achieve "success" if you've been in "rebuild" for a prolonged period because of the very nature of the way success is defined in the analysis.

Just my opinion, but this study does not lead me in any way to the conclusion that we're better off keeping Hainsey just to avoid spending longer in our "rebuild" mode (and hence improve our odds of achieving "success" as defined in the article).

I'm not. We have to realize that assets need to be sold at times to jump on any inflated values our rentals may have. No team ever has a direct replacement for a player they sell, that's just the risk they take.

Yet again I cannot disagree with you. He certainly isn't flashy with his puck moving like Enstrom, has a bomb like Byfuglien, or hits like Stuart, but he certainly is well rounded. I didn't say his only redeeming quality is that he chews minutes, I said that he's only a #4 because he chews minutes. If he didn't, he'd be no higher than Stuart on the depth chart. I'm not saying they're comparable defensively, because Hainsey is clearly much better defensively than Stuart.

As for the vocal part, that is one thing that is missing in todays game. In fact I'm the very last row of MTSC (304 row 12) and I regularly hear Hainsey yelling "wheel wheel wheel". In fact me and my GF make a game of it. On the flip side our other d-men seem to be improving in this part.

As far as Stuart, he's another guy that is probably more valuable to another team than to us. You're a stats guy, you know that.

Part of good management is knowing when to strike the iron. I'd argue consistent playoff teams know when to do this best. The Bobrovsky trade and Staal trade are two good examples. Although these type of "sell" trades are rarely done at the deadline from playoff teams. Usually it's the off-season. Douglas Murray was just "sold" from a team that's in 9th place. He was doing 16-21 TOI.

The Ponikarovsky/Tangradi deal was essentially a sell/downgrade for picks trade.

Even at this point, Chevy will sell assets we are in abundance of if the price is right. He's invested heavily in filling the prospect pool, at this point our youngest prospectd he's pulled out for full time work are 24 (Postma, Kulda, Redmond). Drafting and picks are absolutely essential to the success of this or any franchise.

I'm not sure the Bobrovsky trade fits in that example. Have you seen his #s?

What I don't understand is why every seemed to think that Trouba is the answer to all and that somehow by him
being on the team it makes Hainsey super expendable.

It doesn't. It is very unlikely that Trouba will be the difference maker that we all expect him to be right off the hop. Lets try and remember that the kid has never played an NHL game before.

While NCAA may be closest thing, Trouba hasn't even played a pro hockey game in the A either. Im not saying tht he won't rise to the challenge of being an NHL caliber player right away, Im just not fool enough to assume he will.

I am ok trading Hainsey, as long as there is an upgrade or equivelant coming back in some way shape or form.

But believe me when I say, we currently do not have a replacement in the system that can fill Hainsey's minutes. Kulda, Clitsome, Stuart etc is not the answer.

Red might have been, but the hockey gods saw fit to take him away from us for the season. I can say with certainty that he'll most likely probably be back next season...or so.

The article uses only 19 data points and very subjective definitions of "rebuild", "tanking", "post-rebuild", and "success" so I don't get much out of that at all. Of course it's harder to achieve "success" if you've been in "rebuild" for a prolonged period because of the very nature of the way success is defined in the analysis.

Just my opinion, but this study does not lead me in any way to the conclusion that we're better off keeping Hainsey just to avoid spending longer in our "rebuild" mode (and hence improve our odds of achieving "success" as defined in the article).

he he he success

No I don't think its substantial enough to be statistically valid, but it does match with my opinions that:
* playoff experience is important
* a team core only has a limited window and these windows tend to be small
* the longer a team takes to make a push, the less likely a team will really likely be able to make a push
* taking a step back or being stagnant is not a positive sign for the core, for learning experience, for winning culture, and other such variables

While it's true that Hainsey may not cause a domino effect in either direction, he does increase chances of playoffs with than without.
In the end there is a tipping point but it may not be what we think, in either direction.

I don't think you can classify Staal as selling so to speak...it was really a hockey trade. That was a first class move by both GMs to get him
Moved to a place where he actually wanted to be.

Murray has been struggling for the last two seasons, so it was a move that the Sharks thought they could afford to do. It's like moving a less able Stuart. That's a trade that we could probably do, trade Stuart especially of we were going to get 2 2nds for him lol.

He's got a year remaining on his current deal. A team would likely pay a top prospect, young prospect/player and high pick of some sort I would think for Pominville if he were made available. Captain to boot. For a contending team I could see it happening, and it's a bit less of a risk for them given they're in win-now mode, plus a likely attractive place to play to get him re-signed.

If we knew we could get Pominville re-signed, I'd pay the price in a heartbeat. Doubt we have the assets we would need to give up though. If Buffalo doesn't trade him between now and the trade deadline next week, I could definitely see them trading him in the summer (at the draft) if they're going to rebuild, and by all indications, they're likely headed in that direction.

He's got a year remaining on his current deal. A team would likely pay a top prospect, young prospect/player and high pick of some sort I would think for Pominville if he were made available. Captain to boot. For a contending team I could see it happening, and it's a bit less of a risk for them given they're in win-now mode, plus a likely attractive place to play to get him re-signed.

If we knew we could get Pominville re-signed, I'd pay the price in a heartbeat. Doubt we have the assets we would need to give up though. If Buffalo doesn't trade him between now and the trade deadline next week, I could definitely see them trading him in the summer (at the draft) if they're going to rebuild, and by all indications, they're likely headed in that direction.

Agreed. If we knew we could get him re-signed it would be an amazing deal for us.

He's got a year remaining on his current deal. A team would likely pay a top prospect, young prospect/player and high pick of some sort I would think for Pominville if he were made available. Captain to boot. For a contending team I could see it happening, and it's a bit less of a risk for them given they're in win-now mode, plus a likely attractive place to play to get him re-signed.

If we knew we could get Pominville re-signed, I'd pay the price in a heartbeat. Doubt we have the assets we would need to give up though. If Buffalo doesn't trade him between now and the trade deadline next week, I could definitely see them trading him in the summer (at the draft) if they're going to rebuild, and by all indications, they're likely headed in that direction.

This is quite interesting. He was a pretty reliable forward for the Canes (when I was a fan pre-Jets). Can play wing or center, and is actually good in the faceoff circle. I think he's fallen out of favor/role in Carolina with all their additions since the summer, but when they relied on him he was a solid forward. Only on contract through next season at 3 million, so for a team (us?) with cap room and lacking depth, Jussi could be a solid fit.

I won't be surprised at all to see his production pick up if he is claimed (I think he will be, for sure).

There is half the league infront of us for waiver selection, so I doubt he'd even drop to us. Edmonton, Phoenix (could they afford him?), Islanders, Washington, Columbus, Rangers, Nashville and possibly SJ could put a claim in, I would think.

I think he would be an ideal fit here, because we lack depth big time, and we lack good faceoff men. I think when utilized he is easily a 45-50 point player in my opinion, well worth the 3 million dollar price tag for just next season.