http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2012-09-14/bobby-valentine-boston-red-sox-manager-red-sox-dodgers-trade?modid=recommended_1_5
Because he just hasn't fallen out of favor enough over there.

guillensdisciple

09-15-2012, 01:05 PM

Or the worst coach they've ever seen.

RKMeibalane

09-15-2012, 01:33 PM

October 4, 2012: Red Sox Fire Manager Bobby Valentine

thomas35forever

09-15-2012, 01:36 PM

October 4, 2012: Red Sox Fire Manager Bobby Valentine
I couldn't imagine a more fitting end to their season.

October 5, 2012: Valentine re-ups with ESPN

roylestillman

09-15-2012, 01:48 PM

I couldn't imagine a more fitting end to their season.

October 5, 2012: Valentine re-ups with ESPN
Given the Boston bias of ESPN, I wonder if they even take him back out of fear of alienating Red Sox fans. I have never come across such a tone deaf manager or coach in professional sports.

RKMeibalane

09-15-2012, 02:00 PM

Given the Boston bias of ESPN, I wonder if they even take him back out of fear of alienating Red Sox fans. I have never come across such a tone deaf manager or coach in professional sports.

:jerry :ozzie

"Ahem..."

TDog

09-15-2012, 05:54 PM

The funny thing is, if the Red Sox really did this rebuilding thing right, they would have a brighter future, and it wouldn't seem so distant. Coming into the season, they traded their best prospect for an overhyped pitcher who has done nothing this year and really shouldn't have been expected to.

The funny thing is, the prospect is the one who has a pretty good chance of making it to the postseason.

As an FYI, look at this USA Today story (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2011/12/red-sox-as-trade-closer-andrew-bailey/1), and for laughs, check out why the overhyped pitcher is looking forward to his move to Boston.

A. Cavatica

09-15-2012, 08:49 PM

I'm amazed they've stuck with him this long, frankly. A favorite topic of conversation in Boston is who should be the next manager. They could do worse than Dave Martinez or Sandy Alomar, but they might look for an ex-Red Sox...Tony Pena? Mike Lowell? Varitek?

DumpJerry

09-15-2012, 09:14 PM

I couldn't imagine a more fitting end to their season.

October 5, 2012: Valentine re-ups with ESPN
Nope.

October 5, 2012: replaces Ozzie.

SCCWS

09-16-2012, 08:42 AM

The funny thing is, if the Red Sox really did this rebuilding thing right, they would have a brighter future, and it wouldn't seem so distant. Coming into the season, they traded their best prospect for an overhyped pitcher who has done nothing this year and really shouldn't have been expected to.

The funny thing is, the prospect is the one who has a pretty good chance of making it to the postseason.

As an FYI, look at this USA Today story (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2011/12/red-sox-as-trade-closer-andrew-bailey/1), and for laughs, check out why the overhyped pitcher is looking forward to his move to Boston.

Actually, Reddick was the 4th highest prospect in the Red Sox system entering 2011. But he had a good year in Boston last season. Red Sox had to go out and get a closer, so they went and traded for 2, Bailey and Melancon. Reddick was targeted as their 4th outfielder on paper. Not sure if Bailey is over-hyped, he has been on DL most of the year. But I think this shows how important the emergence of Reed and Jones was. It probably saved the White Sox from trading for a closer which is always an adventure.

downstairs

09-16-2012, 08:53 AM

:jerry :ozzie

"Ahem..."

Jerry Manuel, sure. But Ozzie won us a friggin' World Series. And is the only manager to take us to two post seasons in our 112 year history.

Frontman

09-16-2012, 09:13 AM

Jerry Manuel, sure. But Ozzie won us a friggin' World Series. And is the only manager to take us to two post seasons in our 112 year history.

I believe he means a manager who can alienate a fanbase like nobody's business. I think Ozzie's mouth is far worse than Bobby V's.

Sad thing is that until the Red Sox dump some of their prima donna headaches, no matter who they get in there is going to have trouble. Valentine has lost the club, no doubt about it; but the players didn't want to accept change to begin with. Whiny little brats like Dustin Pedroria need to shut up, accept who is the boss, and play to the level he's being paid versus taking on the manager who "doesn't understand how we do things here."

Dude, the way you do things in that clubhouse is how Terry Francona got fired.

TDog

09-16-2012, 10:22 AM

Actually, Reddick was the 4th highest prospect in the Red Sox system entering 2011. But he had a good year in Boston last season. Red Sox had to go out and get a closer, so they went and traded for 2, Bailey and Melancon. Reddick was targeted as their 4th outfielder on paper. Not sure if Bailey is over-hyped, he has been on DL most of the year. But I think this shows how important the emergence of Reed and Jones was. It probably saved the White Sox from trading for a closer which is always an adventure.

When the deal was made, the Bay Area media reported that Reddick was the top talent to come out of the Red Sox system in recent years. And this year in Oakland he already has 28 home runs and 14 outfield assists, so the A's hype hasn't stopped, especially with the A's only two games behind the Rangers in mid September.

But the Bay Area media also over-hyped Bailey, who never was a great closer. He tended only to save games when he had a lead of at least two runs. If you only looked at his strikeouts you might think he was an elite closer. But he was hurt much of last year. It really shouldn't have been a surprise he was hurt this year.

If you are building for the future, as the Red Sox claim they are doing now, Reddick for Bailey is not a move you make.

But I think the comments by Bailey in the story I linked were the most interesting part of my point.

SOXSINCE'70

09-16-2012, 11:43 AM

October 5, 2012: Valentine re-ups with ESPN

October 6,2012: Bobby Valentine is struck with permanent laryngitis,cannot work for "the four letter network".:D:

SephClone89

09-16-2012, 11:54 AM

Jerry Manuel, sure. But Ozzie won us a friggin' World Series. And is the only manager to take us to two post seasons in our 112 year history.

Really!?

A. Cavatica

09-16-2012, 01:33 PM

I believe he means a manager who can alienate a fanbase like nobody's business. I think Ozzie's mouth is far worse than Bobby V's.

The fact that long-time fans like me wanted Ozzie run out of town on a rail in spite of 2005 is the true measure of how good he was at alienating people.

And it wasn't a fluke, either -- just ask the Cubans in Miami.

russ99

09-16-2012, 05:29 PM

I believe he means a manager who can alienate a fanbase like nobody's business. I think Ozzie's mouth is far worse than Bobby V's.

Ozzie didn't alienate the entire fanbase, rather a substantial portion of it. And if you want to get down to brass tacks, many Sox fans never liked his style of baseball anyway and put up with his antics because we were winning, so when things went bad and his mouth shot off with no winning behind it, those fans were easy to turn on him.

Valentine really isn't a comparison. Ozzie's first two and a half seasons plus 2008 were quality, winning us a World Series title. Valentine shouldn't have come back, much less to this fractured team, and did nothing but make them worse.

Bucky F. Dent

09-16-2012, 06:02 PM

Sounds like Bobby's jones'in for a pink slip.

StillMissOzzie

09-16-2012, 06:56 PM

And did you hear the quote of Bobby V's backpedalling on that remark about the weak roster today? Same blather about injuries at the AAA level, blah blah blah, ... and ended with (paraphrasing here) shame on you for taking my early remarks at face value.

I think Bobby V has seen the MLB game pass him by, he can't handle the players of today, and is ready to get ****-canned.

SMO
:gulp:

PaleHoser

09-17-2012, 09:18 AM

Valentine's a windbag. Always has been.

He really has no business bashing his roster like this publicly. The sad thing is that if he gets fired, he still gets paid.

Managers get traded (see Ozzie, Lou Piniella, Chuck Tanner). If I was in the Red Sox front office, I'd give him a choice: quit, or we're going to look into dealing your contract to an independent league team I in the Yukon. Red Sox would still have to pay him, but he'd have to ride buses to get paid.

cub killer

09-17-2012, 11:45 AM

Really!?
He was making a point, he wasn't just trying to inform us that Ozzie won us a Series. You trolled him for the sake of trolling, which you do quite a bit around here, under the mods' radar it seems.

Tragg

09-17-2012, 06:19 PM

A lot of managers who really know baseball have really grating personalities and they lack patience...like Valentine. Showalter is like that too.
Madden is an exception, although he may too - grating generally shows up when losing and he hasn't lost much yet.

tstrike2000

09-17-2012, 08:47 PM

What about the weakest manager they've ever had?

RKMeibalane

09-17-2012, 10:30 PM

What about the weakest manager they've ever had?

If there's one thing Bobby Valentine excels at, it's deferring responsibility for things that are his fault. He looks and acts like a clown.