Could we agree maybe that both the offense AND defense weren't very good and both were responsible for the loss? I know you guys have a need to argue about every little thing possible, especially you fringers, but it seems that way to me.

— Posted by The Hans

You mean like when I said &quot;the defense wasn't the main reason State lost&quot;? How does it feel to share the opinion of a &quot;fringer&quot;?

Could we agree maybe that both the offense AND defense weren't very good and both were responsible for the loss? I know you guys have a need to argue about every little thing possible, especially you fringers, but it seems that way to me.

To add, over the past year and a half FBS teams are a combined 6-210 when scoring 10 points or less. 6-210. Statistically speaking, that gave State a just 2.8% chance of pulling out a win with the offense performing as it was.

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. - With the final seconds ticking off the clock, Shaw University's Darnell Evans strode down the sideline, slapping hands with each of his teammates, tears in his eyes. Seconds before, Evans had picked off his third pass of the afternoon and returned it for a touchdown to cement a Shaw comeback, giving the Bears a 44-34 win over Fayetteville State Saturday at Jeralds Stadium on the FSU campus.

The Bears, who improve to 3-3 on the season and pick up their first win - against two losses - in the CIAA, trailed 31-12 with 11:37 left in the third quarter, but outscored the Broncos 32-3 to close out the game - propelled in large part by Evans' play.

It is so embarrassing to see my fellow fans constantly compare us to UNC! We should not allow ourselves to be happy as long as we beat them in some obscure category ! They obviously are our Super Bowl game! Sad but "it is what it is"! Go pack

— Posted by MyStateIsGreat

'shrill's trolling is pathetic....as is her public servant job.

— Posted by KT lols at mustangs

And yet, there's truth in what he says. It's been that way ever since I can remember, and you new generation of fringers continue to prove it every single day.

— Posted by The Hans

Whatever you say, hansbrough. Only an angry kerliner fan such as yourself would say that.

It is so embarrassing to see my fellow fans constantly compare us to UNC! We should not allow ourselves to be happy as long as we beat them in some obscure category ! They obviously are our Super Bowl game! Sad but "it is what it is"! Go pack

— Posted by MyStateIsGreat

'shrill's trolling is pathetic....as is her public servant job.

— Posted by KT lols at mustangs

And yet, there's truth in what he says. It's been that way ever since I can remember, and you new generation of fringers continue to prove it every single day.

Why is it ALWAYS about Carolina? Non of you fringers has ever done anything to disprove my assertion that all you care about is Carolina. SMH.

— Posted by The Hans

Apparently you can't read. It was in response to a post from stalkerkato.

You look to pounce on anything NC STATE related so fast that you can't even be bothered to read your brethren broaching the subject. What a kerliner homer you are.

— Posted by KT lols at mustangs

I can read just fine. kato's post was discussing State's run defense. Any replies to the post should have been in regards to State's run defense if one wanted to discuss. But no, it always has to be about UNC.

It is so embarrassing to see my fellow fans constantly compare us to UNC! We should not allow ourselves to be happy as long as we beat them in some obscure category ! They obviously are our Super Bowl game! Sad but "it is what it is"! Go pack

It is so embarrassing to see my fellow fans constantly compare us to UNC! We should not allow ourselves to be happy as long as we beat them in some obscure category ! They obviously are our Super Bowl game! Sad but &quot;it is what it is&quot;! Go pack

When it matted the most, _ave _oeren's run _efense was virtually non-existent...

With the game tied at 10 midway through the fourth quarter, Smith broke free for a 57-yard sprint up the middle of the Wolfpack's defense. On the next play, Gulley ran around the right side and into the end zone for the 18-yard score that made it 16-10.

On Syracuse's next possession, Gulley broke off a 48-yard run to crack the 100-yard mark. That ultimately set up Hunt's 8-yard keeper, which made it 22-10 and effectively sealed the win for the Orange.

OrangeMEN averaged nearly 20 yards per carry in the 4th against the wolfPUPs.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

I heard our band was playing too long and too loudly - that's what messed them up.

— Posted by The Hans

Nah, our band didn't play while we were on offense, and we always stopped playing when Cuse broke the huddle.

How about your Holes? Think they have a chance on Thursday night?

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

Well, once again, they are not &quot;my holes&quot;, so I'm not going to play that game with you. I grew up a Miami fan, so I hope they win. I'd love to see them get back to the dominant force they once were. The look on Bobby's face when those field goals sailed wide was priceless.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

I heard our band was playing too long and too loudly - that's what messed them up.

— Posted by The Hans

Nah, our band didn't play while we were on offense, and we always stopped playing when Cuse broke the huddle.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

I heard our band was playing too long and too loudly - that's what messed them up.

— Posted by The Hans

Nah, our band didn't play while we were on offense, and we always stopped playing when Cuse broke the huddle.

When it matted the most, _ave _oeren's run _efense was virtually non-existent...

With the game tied at 10 midway through the fourth quarter, Smith broke free for a 57-yard sprint up the middle of the Wolfpack's defense. On the next play, Gulley ran around the right side and into the end zone for the 18-yard score that made it 16-10.

On Syracuse's next possession, Gulley broke off a 48-yard run to crack the 100-yard mark. That ultimately set up Hunt's 8-yard keeper, which made it 22-10 and effectively sealed the win for the Orange.

OrangeMEN averaged nearly 20 yards per carry in the 4th against the wolfPUPs.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

I heard our band was playing too long and too loudly - that's what messed them up.

— Posted by The Hans

Nah, our band didn't play while we were on offense, and we always stopped playing when Cuse broke the huddle.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

Yes you are making an excuse. SMH!!! LOL....you cannot have it both ways TBK. Go pack

— Posted by MyStateIsGreat

I'm not making an excuse. We're 3-3 with the players we have and it is what it is. I'm HOPING we can improve going forward with players that we HOPEFULLY get back from injury.

When it matted the most, _ave _oeren's run _efense was virtually non-existent...

With the game tied at 10 midway through the fourth quarter, Smith broke free for a 57-yard sprint up the middle of the Wolfpack's defense. On the next play, Gulley ran around the right side and into the end zone for the 18-yard score that made it 16-10.

On Syracuse's next possession, Gulley broke off a 48-yard run to crack the 100-yard mark. That ultimately set up Hunt's 8-yard keeper, which made it 22-10 and effectively sealed the win for the Orange.

OrangeMEN averaged nearly 20 yards per carry in the 4th against the wolfPUPs.

When it matted the most, _ave _oeren's run _efense was virtually non-existent...

With the game tied at 10 midway through the fourth quarter, Smith broke free for a 57-yard sprint up the middle of the Wolfpack's defense. On the next play, Gulley ran around the right side and into the end zone for the 18-yard score that made it 16-10.

On Syracuse's next possession, Gulley broke off a 48-yard run to crack the 100-yard mark. That ultimately set up Hunt's 8-yard keeper, which made it 22-10 and effectively sealed the win for the Orange.OrangeMEN averaged nearly 20 yards per carry in the 4th against the wolfPUPs.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

I heard our band was playing too long and too loudly - that's what messed them up.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again03

Yes you are making an excuse. SMH!!! LOL....you cannot have it both ways TBK. Go pack

Ppl calling for Doeren's head, or Fedora, are complete jack wads and probably don't need to be watching fball. You have two teams with players recruited for two completely different systems...there will NOT be an miraculous overnight transformation into BCS contenders. Packpride is full of these yahoos and I'm sure the Carolina site is too.

TOB's diamond in the rough recruiting philosophy left state in a state of screwednessnessness. Now UVA gets to enjoy him and his protege London.

— Posted by buckets112

This. Well said buckets.

— Posted by TB from WF

Yeah but it was expected. A huge rebuidling year. Maybe Year 3/4 for Doeren. Fedora should be better next year.

Yep, we're pretty awful. It was like a trip to the dentist watching that mess on Saturday. Our offense can't get it together, and the coaches were calling too much stupid junk. Just line it up and play football. They're doing things I made fun of Fedora for doing in his first year. Too much trickery attempts, the fake FG was terrible, and stupid. We needed the points. There were two FGs we didn't attempt that we should have. And the stupid mess play calling was also happening in the Wake game. I'm not a fan of that mess.

I don't know if half our problem is all the injuries, but I'm not using that as an excuse. But I will be cautiously HOPEFUL for improvement if we can get some guys back from injury.

Ppl calling for Doeren's head, or Fedora, are complete jack wads and probably don't need to be watching fball. You have two teams with players recruited for two completely different systems...there will NOT be an miraculous overnight transformation into BCS contenders. Packpride is full of these yahoos and I'm sure the Carolina site is too.

TOB's diamond in the rough recruiting philosophy left state in a state of screwednessnessness. Now UVA gets to enjoy him and his protege London.

Ppl calling for Doeren's head, or Fedora, are complete jack wads and probably don't need to be watching fball. You have two teams with players recruited for two completely different systems...there will NOT be an miraculous overnight transformation into BCS contenders. Packpride is full of these yahoos and I'm sure the Carolina site is too.

TOB's diamond in the rough recruiting philosophy left state in a state of screwednessnessness. Now UVA gets to enjoy him and his protege London.