What not to say: The problem with Twilight author Stephenie Meyer’s finale for Breaking Dawn is that there isn’t one. The Cullens and their allies square off against The Volturi, and despite everyone gagging for a scrap, the would-be warring factions decide to talk it out and make up instead, leaving both loyal fans of the book and certain werewolves rather put out. The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 2 director Bill Condon’s solution was simple: have the big fight anyway, while miraculously staying faithful to the book.

How he gets away with it is ever-so-slightly genius. When pale-faced precog Alice (Ashley Greene) shakes hands with mind-reader Aro (Michael Sheen) as they meet in a snowbound field, the audience (and Aro) see in real time what would happen if they did indeed fight: blood would be spilt, blood would be drunk, and Aro will be horribly killed, along with a decent chunk of his Volturi army.

Realising that trading blows will result in his own ignominious death, Aro decides to give peace a chance, and so filmgoers get the dust up they desired while Twi-hard novel-lovers get the ending they know from the books.

Did we see it coming? To be honest, not really. A solution to the book’s anticlimactic conclusion had been promised for a long while – since before Breaking Yawn Dawn Part 1 – but it was hard to see how they’d pull it off. Once you watch the film, however, the solution feels like it’s been staring us in the face all along: put a mind reader in the same place as a soothsayer-type and suddenly cinematic sparks can fly with no tricky consequences.

Firstly, you put your argument across well and I can safely say I will not be replying with the same amount of depth or enthusiasm as I don't have the time or the will. The only reason I responded to start with is because of the sweeping statements you gladly made about people making comments but having not seen the films, books, etc... even though I have seen both Battle Royale films
Secondly, it is obvious you have a disliking for Battle Royale and prefer The Hunger Games, I appreciate and enjoyed both films, THG books are poor and I highly recommend you watch Battle Royale 2, I think you will find the kids have somewhat more of an impact similar to that of Katniss and Peeta.
Thirdly, going back to your Twilight comment on Empires article (sadly I have some knowledge on Twilight), Gale is her friend and companion to start as is Jacob, the emergence of Peeta/Edward make the feelings emerge from Gale/Jacob as events progress.
Lastly, when describing THG to someone who iMore

Posted by owenyunfat on Friday January 4, 2013, 14:56

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Firstly Battle Royale is not a Japanese splatter movie, it was first a novel then adapted for screen - the same as the Hunger Games.ow it's adapted from a book. How does that preclude it from being a Japanese splatter movie? Though I guess you could argue whether it can be called splatter and about its amount of gore and violence, which is relatively mild. But it certainly tries to have a lot of violence and blood, even though it's rather cartoonish, and, for me, not shocking or emotionally affecting. (The decapitation scene was particularly badly done, a few of the deaths were just too "pretty" with dying words and love confessions, and the teacher's death was silly.) The scenes of violence and death in THG were much stronger even though none of them were graphic.
easily list how many connections there are between the two books/movies - unrequited love of main characters Shuyas best friend in love with Noriko. The use of previous winners in matches. VillaMore

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Firstly Battle Royale is not a Japanese splatter movie, it was first a novel then adapted for screen - the same as the Hunger Games. In response to your first comment I have read The Hunger Games trilogy and the read the Battle Royale novel, as well as seen both movies, so I am not simply making off hand comments.
I could easily list how many connections there are between the two books/movies - unrequited love of main characters Shuyas best friend in love with Noriko. The use of previous winners in matches. Villainous characters letting off protagonists or helping them. Post-apocalyptic settings (again, watch the second Battle Royale if you need clarification). A program introduced to promote authority.
I could go on and on... but maybe watch Battle Royale and Battle Royale Requim then once The Hunger Games are all released watch them, I think you will find how much the same they are.
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Posted by owenyunfat on Wednesday January 2, 2013, 20:33

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"On the topic of Hunger Games-related words not to mention in the pub, the phrase “It’s a Battle Royale rip-off, basically” should be banned, if only because it may be the most worn-out, over-familiar, facile comment about one film ever made."
This is the easiest way to explain the film to someone who has not seen if they have seen Battle Royale and "facile" or not, it's true. Also the trilogy rips off Battle Royale Requim and to ignore these facts is as ignorant as it is "facile".
the laziest way to "explain" the movie, especially since it completely misses the point and doesn't actually explain anything. The only thing that the movies share is the premise of kids being forced to kill kids in controlled circumstances, but how they treat it, the universe in which they take place and the themes The Hunger Games is exploring as opposed to Battle Royale, are completely different.
And as for that premise, I find it pretty hilarious that people actuallyMore

Posted by Ivana2804 on Friday December 28, 2012, 21:40

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The Hunger Games article is awful

Kudos for the comment about the Battle Royale trolling (it's not just the most worn-out facile comment, but it's mostly used by people who probably haven't seen either movie - and other than the premise of kids being forced to kill kids in controlled circumstances, the two movies have very little in common). But other than that, the article is awful (and that's even disregarding the "Katniss and Josh" typo).
Twilight comparisons are even more worn-out, and more absurd, since The Hunger Games don't even share any of the basic premises with Twilight. The movie is not "set up with a Twilight style triangle" and Gale is not Katniss "lover" but her best friend, which is pretty obvious since they never act like a couple. The only sign of other feelings comes from Gale while watching the Games. It's all a very tiny part of the movie, and not the main focus of the trilogy at all, let alone the first book. Katniss defying the Capitol and not letting Peeta die iMore

Posted by Ivana2804 on Friday December 28, 2012, 21:34

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Prometheus Spoiler Alert.....

Mechanics seed planets by sacrificing condemned fellow mechanics.....Humans are farmed for labor and tricked into worshipping mechanics as gods....real god sends Jesus to alert humans on earth and other seeded planets.....mechanics find out and scramble ship to destroy Jesus and earth before news of the real god spreads....something goes wrong (Davine intervention?) and the ship never departs....footage of the doomed mission is seen two thousand years later by the crew of the Prometheus....sole survivor on the warship tries to complete the mission....thus the cross emphasis throughout the movie. More

Posted by SCATANA on Sunday December 23, 2012, 10:38

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"On the topic of Hunger Games-related words not to mention in the pub, the phrase “It’s a Battle Royale rip-off, basically” should be banned, if only because it may be the most worn-out, over-familiar, facile comment about one film ever made."
This is the easiest way to explain the film to someone who has not seen if they have seen Battle Royale and "facile" or not, it's true. Also the trilogy rips off Battle Royale Requim and to ignore these facts is as ignorant as it is "facile". More

Posted by owenyunfat on Friday December 21, 2012, 20:15

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Sadly I did see it coming thanks to Floyd and Boyd blurting it out on fivelive. In much the same way they spoilt the Zombieland surprise.
Numbskulls of the highest order. More

Posted by Loosecrew on Friday December 21, 2012, 16:40

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Although the color] reveal in Dark Knight Rises was some what clunky I thought it worked, considering that (off the top of my head) there has been at least four of them in the comics. Name dropping a specific one would have been more elegant but I think the point was that he wasn't a specific character from the comics but instead a representation of all of them and how Batman inspires others to become something greater. As with the rest of the Dark Knight films, Nolan went for a thematic adaptation as opposed to a more literal one. More

Posted by Quentin Black on Friday December 21, 2012, 15:27

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ould be handy for all your lists in future as sometimes it would be good to skip some on the list without having to trawl through them all. Just a thought :) ello phil, sometimes i like to read the comments without having to trawl through repeated posts. Just a thought :) More

Hello Empire! I like the way you've put the links on the first page - that would be handy for all your lists in future as sometimes it would be good to skip some on the list without having to trawl through them all. Just a thought :) More

Posted by philshepp on Thursday December 20, 2012, 18:28

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Links on first page

Hello Empire! I like the way you've put the links on the first page - that would be handy for all your lists in future as sometimes it would be good to skip some on the list without having to trawl through them all. Just a thought :) More

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Links on first page

Hello Empire! I like the way you've put the links on the first page - that would be handy for all your lists in future as sometimes it would be good to skip some on the list without having to trawl through them all. Just a thought :) More

Posted by philshepp on Thursday December 20, 2012, 18:27

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Links on first page

Hello Empire! I like the way you've put the links on the first page - that would be handy for all your lists in future as sometimes it would be good to skip some on the list without having to trawl through them all. Just a thought :) More

Posted by philshepp on Thursday December 20, 2012, 18:26

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Links on first page

Hello Empire! I like the way you've put the links on the first page - that would be handy for all your lists in future as sometimes it would be good to skip some on the list without having to trawl through them all. Just a thought :) More

Posted by philshepp on Thursday December 20, 2012, 18:20

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Links on first page

Hello Empire! I like the way you've put the links on the first page - that would be handy for all your lists in future as sometimes it would be good to skip some on the list without having to trawl through them all. Just a thought :) More

Posted by philshepp on Thursday December 20, 2012, 18:19

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Prometheus Vs Looper - "Call me old man"

Guy Pierce's appearance in this film may have been a surprise, but it was also one of the many terrible moments of the film. It was just soooo fake looking and completely jarring. If you're going to cast a great actor as an old man, get a great old man who can act. Looper did it the right way, which is pne of its many reasons for being lightyears in superiority to Scott's mess of a movie. One wonders what might have happened if budgets for these two had been switcherooed... :/ More

Posted by sirvolkar on Thursday December 20, 2012, 18:16

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Skyfall

Does M die though? It's clearly stated at the beginning that the best way to "leave" the field is to pretend to be dead. She only had a flesh wound and no one seems too upset at the end. More

Posted by thosemovieguys on Thursday December 20, 2012, 13:38

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You forgot Cillian Murphy's cameo as The Scarecrow in TDKR. I had a feeling he'd turn up at some point and it was lovely to see him doing so. More