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When Oda mentioned Luffy will defeat Kaido, he made one thing clear: It will not be because "Luffy's punch is so strong". He even mentioned when Kaido first appeared, Luffy was not strong enough yet to defeat him. What exactly is Oda entailing by this? Well, we don't have to look far. The last opponent Luffy defeated at that time (Doflamingo), was defeated exactly because Luffy's punch "was so strong".

In fact, every opponent Luffy has defeated so far he has been physically stronger than. Why is this significant? Well we know for a fact Luffy is not overall a better combatant than every opponent he's faced. With Crocodile this was obvious in Marineford, and with Enel Oda outright stated it. He said was lucky he was rubber. But nonetheless he was still stronger than both Crocodile/Enel physically. I recently made a thread outlining why Katakuri was a good milestone for Luffy. They are very similar in fighting style, and Luffy actually could use him as a measuring stick. With guys like Crocodile, Enel, Doflamingo, Moriah, Cracker, it's very hard for Luffy to measure his overall ability, simply because they fight very differently. What makes them good is not what makes Luffy good.

Just like, even if Zoro defeats Pica, Zoro still wants to develop as a swordsman, rather than just be a strong guy, Luffy even if he defeats all those dudes with dissimilar styles, still wants to develop primarily as a brawler more than anything.

How Luffy defeats opponents is he negates/circumvents their DF ability (or DF combined with CoO in Enel's/Katakuri's cases) and/or he overpowers them physically. This seems kinda simple at first, but it's a very important point in the "Is Luffy stronger than the guys he beats?" debate. Whether he is a better overall combatant that those guys is up for debate, but what isn't, is that he is simply physically stronger.

Kaido represents a new type of challenge. While before Luffy simply had to figure out some way around their DF/DF + CoO combo, and overpower them physically, Kaido is not that type of opponent. Even if you figure out some way around his possible DF (Zooan?), you cannot overpower Kaido physically.

Luffy has defeated better overall fighters than him before (and I'd argue the gap between Croc/Enel and Luffy is much bigger than Luffy/Kaido now), but he has never defeated someone physically stronger than him.

When Oda mentioned Luffy will defeat Kaido, he made one thing clear: It will not be because "Luffy's punch is so strong". He even mentioned when Kaido first appeared, Luffy was not strong enough yet to defeat him. What exactly is Oda entailing by this? Well, we don't have to look far. The last opponent Luffy defeated at that time (Doflamingo), was defeated exactly because Luffy's punch "was so strong".

In fact, every opponent Luffy has defeated so far he has been physically stronger than. Why is this significant? Well we know for a fact Luffy is not overall a better combatant than every opponent he's faced. With Crocodile this was obvious in Marineford, and with Enel Oda outright stated it. He said was lucky he was rubber. But nonetheless he was still stronger than both Crocodile/Enel physically. I recently made a thread outlining why Katakuri was a good milestone for Luffy. They are very similar in fighting style, and Luffy actually could use him as a measuring stick. With guys like Crocodile, Enel, Doflamingo, Moriah, Cracker, it's very hard for Luffy to measure his overall ability, simply because they fight very differently. What makes them good is not what makes Luffy good.

Just like, even if Zoro defeats Pica, Zoro still wants to develop as a swordsman, rather than just be a strong guy, Luffy even if he defeats all those dudes with dissimilar styles, still wants to develop primarily as a brawler more than anything.

How Luffy defeats opponents is he negates/circumvents their DF ability (or DF combined with CoO in Enel's/Katakuri's cases) and/or he overpowers them physically. This seems kinda simple at first, but it's a very important point in the "Is Luffy stronger than the guys he beats?" debate. Whether he is a better overall combatant that those guys is up for debate, but what isn't, is that he is simply physically stronger.

Kaido represents a new type of challenge. While before Luffy simply had to figure out some way around their DF/DF + CoO combo, and overpower them physically, Kaido is not that type of opponent. Even if you figure out some way around his possible DF (Zooan?), you cannot overpower Kaido physically.

Luffy has defeated better overall fighters than him before (and I'd argue the gap between Croc/Enel and Luffy is much bigger than Luffy/Kaido now), but he has never defeated someone physically stronger than him.

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Lucci was physically stronger at the start of the fight but Luffy had better endurance and overcame his own limits.
So were the admirals and magellan that Luffy fought and lost against.

When Oda mentioned Luffy will defeat Kaido, he made one thing clear: It will not be because "Luffy's punch is so strong". He even mentioned when Kaido first appeared, Luffy was not strong enough yet to defeat him. What exactly is Oda entailing by this? Well, we don't have to look far. The last opponent Luffy defeated at that time (Doflamingo), was defeated exactly because Luffy's punch "was so strong".

In fact, every opponent Luffy has defeated so far he has been physically stronger than. Why is this significant? Well we know for a fact Luffy is not overall a better combatant than every opponent he's faced. With Crocodile this was obvious in Marineford, and with Enel Oda outright stated it. He said was lucky he was rubber. But nonetheless he was still stronger than both Crocodile/Enel physically. I recently made a thread outlining why Katakuri was a good milestone for Luffy. They are very similar in fighting style, and Luffy actually could use him as a measuring stick. With guys like Crocodile, Enel, Doflamingo, Moriah, Cracker, it's very hard for Luffy to measure his overall ability, simply because they fight very differently. What makes them good is not what makes Luffy good.

Just like, even if Zoro defeats Pica, Zoro still wants to develop as a swordsman, rather than just be a strong guy, Luffy even if he defeats all those dudes with dissimilar styles, still wants to develop primarily as a brawler more than anything.

How Luffy defeats opponents is he negates/circumvents their DF ability (or DF combined with CoO in Enel's/Katakuri's cases) and/or he overpowers them physically. This seems kinda simple at first, but it's a very important point in the "Is Luffy stronger than the guys he beats?" debate. Whether he is a better overall combatant that those guys is up for debate, but what isn't, is that he is simply physically stronger.

Kaido represents a new type of challenge. While before Luffy simply had to figure out some way around their DF/DF + CoO combo, and overpower them physically, Kaido is not that type of opponent. Even if you figure out some way around his possible DF (Zooan?), you cannot overpower Kaido physically.

Luffy has defeated better overall fighters than him before (and I'd argue the gap between Croc/Enel and Luffy is much bigger than Luffy/Kaido now), but he has never defeated someone physically stronger than him.

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The gap between Enel and Luffy wasnt big at all. It was very small. The gap between Kaidou and Kuffy is very very big compared to that.

We are now in the big leagues. I think Katakuri also falls in this category, Luffy was physically weaker than him even with geat 4th. All the yonko are kind of guaranteed to be physically stronger than him. It will be interesting to see how Oda writes this fights.

Well there will be others who will try their fangs on him. Kidd would want that, maybe some samurais, then we have Franky who mentioned he wants to build some weapons against Kaido.

Then we have Law where Kaido tore appart his wanted poster too so he will be forced to fight him head on either way whether he wanted or not.

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the most realistic one will be Law but really , i don't discard that possibilty either but , Luffy is just known for that and his major fight where he declares that he defeat somebody from the beginning he does it alone .

the most realistic one will be Law but really , i don't discard that possibilty either but , Luffy is just known for that and his major fight where he declares that he defeat somebody from the beginning he does it alone .

why then Oda says that he doesn't know how will Luffy defeat Kaido , he could have said that Luffy and his allies , and that he and Luffy will find solution to be honest , i tend to the possibility that Oda gonna give Luffy power ups and some tricks to defeat him alone

why then Oda says that he doesn't know how will Luffy defeat Kaido , he could have said that Luffy and his allies , and that he and Luffy will find solution to be honest , i tend to the possibility that Oda gonna give Luffy power ups and some tricks to defeat him alone

well maybe they try to land some attacks on him but i think no one of them will be able to scrach him with exception of Luffy.
i don't like that they fight him all and Luffy gives him the last blow when he already is weekend because of the others , in other words i don't think it is gonna be like against Doflamingo

To all those saying Lucci and Katakuri were physically stronger. That is factually incorrect. Katakuri I don't even have to explain, given the fact that Luffy never even used King Kong Gun.

As for Lucci, not only did Luffy have to overcome his strength, he had to overcome his Tekkai. Tekkai is not strength, but it is hardness, just like CoA. For Luffy to overcome someone's strength and Tekkai at the same time, proves he was at a higher level physically (though I wouldn't say by much). This reminds me of Amazon Lily, where they were surprised Luffy one shot the Panther without even using Haki, just raw strength.

Lucci for example cannot match this type of attack in terms of raw power:

The gap between Enel and Luffy wasnt big at all. It was very small. The gap between Kaidou and Kuffy is very very big compared to that.

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That is very wrong. Oda himself stated otherwise. Luffy can already push Kaido to a mid diff, given he's on par with their right hands. Luffy on Skypeia, was what, Commodore level? X Drake was Rear Admiral, and Luffy only seemed on par with him after G2/G3. Enel on the other hand is like high Vice Admiral level.

Someone on a higher end Vice Admiral level fighting a guy on Commodore level is unheard of. That's usually a no diff.

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