Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

07:40 GMT:
Anti-government protesters have seized the city hall in Debaltsevo, a city in the eastern part of the Donetsk region, local media reported. The city
is a major Ukrainian railway hub, through which a large part of the rail traffic from Russia passes.

The protesters took the administrative building unopposed, and no violence was reported.

07:05 GMT:
More than 30 anti-government protesters were killed in fighting near Slaviansk in eastern Ukraine, Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said on Tuesday.

"We estimate that the terrorists lost more than 30 people," Avakov wrote on Facebook.

The minister said four Ukrainian servicemen had been killed and 20 wounded.

The self-defense forces said on Monday four of their number had been killed in the fighting.

00:23 GMT:
Members of two Donetsk coal mines have gone on strike, assembling in the center of the city to protest against the authorities in Kiev, Itar-tass
reports.

South Donbass No. 1 and No. 3 mines in the city of Ugledar, Donetsk region have partially seized production and are now demanding that Kiev's
military units end assaults on people in the east of the country.

Some miners have expressed their desire to join the self-defense squads to help protect Ukraine's industrial region. Others are volunteering to help
organize this week's referendum.

It is a normal to try and neutralize the enemy, seeing as how that enemy are not innocent civilians in the area, but armed men taking over official
buildings and doing many other things we have seen reported here.

And about that Ukr jet downed, there seems to be no form of confirmation yet, just that YT video.

Could the closing of the airspace have anything to do with the reports that the Cossacks that arrived in Antrasyt have brought with them MANPADS or
other forms of anti-air missiles ??

It is a normal to try and neutralize the enemy, seeing as how that enemy are not innocent civilians in the area, but armed men taking over official
buildings and doing many other things we have seen reported here.

And about that Ukr jet downed, there seems to be no form of confirmation yet, just that YT video.

Could the closing of the airspace have anything to do with the reports that the Cossacks that arrived in Antrasyt have brought with them MANPADS or
other forms of anti-air missiles ??

Another possibility is Putin's visit to Crimea. Aircraft in that close of proximity might make an interesting target / catalyst / justification for
war.

Just so you remember, there was no "crimean invasion", you and your cronies trying to make it so is not helping or changing
reality.

Whew! I must have dreamt that uniformed men in trucks with Russian licence plates were seizing airports in the Ukrainian oblast of Crimea. Never
happened? Yay! Crimea is still Ukraine! What is this thread about, then?

I haven't seen so far a video clearly showing a Ukr helo actually firing towards targets. Don't try to show me the blurry videos from Sloviansk,
because I have seen them already and none of them was clear or convincing enough.

As to the downing of the helo from machine gun fire, if I recall the Americans had some of their helos downed in Irak or Afghanistan by machine gun
fire, so it is possible...

I was browsing RT the other day and reading the comment section some chap wrote that one of the
Choppers taken down had CIA handlers in it

I wouldn't normaly think a lot of it but for the fact some German flow of information indicates that CIA and FBI
Have been working in Ukraine under the current government and the CIA were said to be using their expertise in making regions secure in the east
trouble spots

Must be many pro Russian people still in the Ukraine armed forces and even Intel or government so any CIA working in the field might have had their
location given away to the pro Russian groups

Who knows if Members of the CIA died on one of those choppers but if they are realy being sent into hot spots in that country I'm not sure their
location or transport could be kept secret

Outside of the vids it's common knowledge that Ukie helo gunships participating in assault operations would be firing. . .

Ukrainian government forces are said to be conducting operations around the city of Slavyansk in the country's east, with pro-Russia separatists
claiming a "large-scale" assault to retake the town is under way. A Reuters photographer said he saw a military helicopter open fire on the outskirts
of the city and a reporter heard gunfire. Fighting was being reported at checkpoints.

There's many more as well. Now you actually used a Youtube vid to show multiple Ukie fighter jets lol.

. . . Alas lets not detract from the point that Ukraine declared a 'No Fly Zone' over that area.

The most controversial element of the anti-government alliance is Svoboda (Freedom), an extreme right-wing political party that not only has
representation in parliament, but has been dubbed by its critics as a neo-Nazi organization. Britain’s Channel 4 News reported that Svoboda has
assumed a “leading role” in the street protests in Kiev, with affiliated paramilitary groups prominently involved in the disturbances. Svoboda
flags and banners have been featured in the demonstrations at Kiev’s Independence Square.

originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: Talliostro
Thank you for the confirmation.
Seems things are getting pretty hot in E Ukraine...

It's the usual travel advisory and warning for german citizen in these crisis countries. I think this is partly a reaction on the whole OSCE mess in
Slavjansk last week. The warning isn't that unusual, there were and are a few like Egypt, Kenia, Jemen and even Brazil. The USA got one after 9/11,
too.
Just a service from our government that travel and staying in those countries is at your own risk and german consular service can't be guaranteed when
the crisis deepens.

That is logical, but from what I know, I may be wrong, when conflict areas like these appear, citizens are mostly told to reduce all non-essential
travel.
I haven't heard so far a travel advisory actual telling people to leave a certain and I assumed they have certain information on which they based
this that possibly showed a possible increase of violence over the next period, hence the reason to tell their citizens to actually leave the area.

So we have fascism with neo-nazis burning ethnic Russians/supporters. And the Jewish population wants to escape.

Geee, I wonder why? lol

Kogan said the Odessa tragedy reminded him of the Holocaust, "when Jews and non-Jews were driven into houses and burned alive in WWII." "The
Euromaidan [supporters] are following the same horrible scenario. It's terrible that people such as Kolomoiskiy, who are also Jews, are promoting such
a line of action now. It's horrible when rabbis say nothing, as if nothing is happening. Patriarch Kirill has made a firm and touching statement, but
what about the others?" Kogan said.

So we have fascism with neo-nazis burning ethnic Russians/supporters. And the Jewish population wants to escape.

Geee, I wonder why? lol

Kogan said the Odessa tragedy reminded him of the Holocaust, "when Jews and non-Jews were driven into houses and burned alive in WWII." "The
Euromaidan [supporters] are following the same horrible scenario. It's terrible that people such as Kolomoiskiy, who are also Jews, are promoting such
a line of action now. It's horrible when rabbis say nothing, as if nothing is happening. Patriarch Kirill has made a firm and touching statement, but
what about the others?" Kogan said.

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