Barnes should start over Kleiza at SF- thank goodness. Makes the Kleiza signing(which isn't official yet) the more puzzling. That money could have been used on a quality Center or PG. It'll be interesting to what the S&T of Barnes and possiblly Kleiza will manifest plus to see BC's next moves after these 2 are finalized as Calderon has to go(and Bargs should as well in my mind).

I know this Sherlock. The Rap's have in theory 16 players under contract when you include both Kleiza & Barnes since these transactions aren't official we don't have the full sign & trade particulars of each player. Also, the Raps may send out Banks, Evans, Bellinelli, DJones and/or TPE in the S&T w/ Barnes(*Kleiza?). Until then this is what it is- the off season and the Rap's have 16 players under contract for sake of argument. If you feel otherwise- fair enough.

Btw- It's not unusual for NBA teams, in the off season, to have more than 15 players under contract as all the contracts most likely aren't fully guaranteed- do the full math not the half for a quick internet laugh, homie.

Fyi- I'm an ex D1 baller who knows hoops- son.

I don't believe Dorsey is under contract with the Raptors any more than a number of the guys who played for the Raptors LVSL team. If that is the case then there is nothing that will prevent him from signing with another team. Raptors fans expect him to sign with the Raptors but as far as I know right now he is a free agent.

If you have any information that says otherwise please post it and the link. Thanks.

Take it for what it's worth people but John Hollinger just tweeted that he thinks all sign and trade deals have to be AT LEAST THREE YEARS, and he isn't sure how this deal is possible since we used most of our MLE.
We'll see.

I don't believe Dorsey is under contract with the Raptors any more than a number of the guys who played for the Raptors LVSL team. If that is the case then there is nothing that will prevent him from signing with another team. Raptors fans expect him to sign with the Raptors but as far as I know right now he is a free agent.

If you have any information that says otherwise please post it and the link. Thanks.

Dorsey IS currently under contract w/ TO (he's not a f/a) it's not fully gauranteed if he's released, renounced by a certain date, if not then it becomes gauranteed for 2010-11.

Step your game up son, when you try to check me- you just check yourself. A quick google would have given you Dorsey's contract particulars or if you follow the Raptors closely, like I, you would may have heard that as it has been mentioned more than once in the media.

Take it for what it's worth people but John Hollinger just tweeted that he thinks all sign and trade deals have to be AT LEAST THREE YEARS, and he isn't sure how this deal is possible since we used most of our MLE.
We'll see.

The Kleiza signing isn't official as of yet as well. Time will tell w/ Barnes & Kleiza- hopefully soon.lol

Dorsey IS currently under contract w/ TO (he's not a f/a) it's not fully gauranteed if he's released, renounced by a certain date, if not then it becomes gauranteed for 2010-11.

Step your game up son, when you try to check me- you just check yourself. A quick google would have given you Dorsey's contract particulars or if you follow the Raptors closely, like I, you would may have heard that as it has been mentioned more than once in the media.

Peace

Where is the link? His contract ran only through June 30th

The Toronto Raptors announced Sunday they have signed free agent forward-centre Joey Dorsey for the remainder of the season. Per team policy, financial details were not disclosed.

Toronto: Pick a chandler who is a defensive machine, a great pairing for bargnani, can run the floor and is only signed on for 1 yr which will not affect davis' development much and he could pick up a thing or two from chandler defense wise. If we got gorat he is hooked on for 4 yrs which would take away time from davis in the future, who I think will develop into a good defensive player.

Indiana: get a solid starting point and a decent backup, if you're laughing i understand, that is only signed on for one year.

Dallas: Get Gortat that is a guy they have were chasing last year who is signed for a couple of years and still get some cap relief when reggie's contract expires at the end of the season. Therefore get a "solid" center for now and the future and a dirty work guy for the same price of chandler

Orlando: Get a solid cheaper backup for dwight and get cap relief with the expiration of tj's contract and have a excellent scorer who I think would play great with dwight in the pick and roll or just get a trade exception from the raptors.

This trade works through the trade machine, I doubt there is any chance of this, but maybe just maybe if hell freezes over and this happens, toronto would be a solid 5-7 seed team for next year and it sets them up for the future financially.

You talk a lot of trash and I sense you throw in some BS. Back it up with a link or go to the bench

I don't have to post a link.lol

Dorsey may have worked out an extension w/ BC on the QO date if it was June 30 as you say Joey will make a little more than $800,000 in 2010/11 and just over 1 million in 2011/12 under the particulars of his contract. He's no f/a look up the current lists.....

Other sources say he doesn't have such a contract yet, such as Doug Smith:http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/201...has-to-be.html
"Depending on how many guys they end up with on the final roster, there are those who think he might just get some kind of non-guaranteed deal."

They signed him as a free agent and traded him for some of the Raptors TPE. No problem

But Orlando doesn't have his Bird rights. The ONLY way they would be able to re-sign him is by using their MLE, which they've already used up.

jrdyck wrote:

Apparently you can S&T your own free agents even if they've been renounced... as per Mr. Larry Coon. Who knew?

All renouncing does is cause the player to lose their Bird rights. They can still re-sign. Unfortunately, as I stated above, Orlando has no money to do this.

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Take it for what it's worth people but John Hollinger just tweeted that he thinks all sign and trade deals have to be AT LEAST THREE YEARS, and he isn't sure how this deal is possible since we used most of our MLE.
We'll see.

Obviously I'm not the only one who is having trouble with the logistics of this. There's GOT to be more to this because as a simple sign and trade, it's not possible. I'm very curious how this is happening, because as it is, I simply don't see how it can work.

They signed him as a free agent and traded him for some of the Raptors TPE. No problem

Unless Orlando acquired Barnes in a sign and trade last summer from Phoenix, this is not possible. The Orlando Magic have used the majority of their MLE on Duhon and Richardson. The Magic are over the cap, have used their MLE, DO NOT have Barnes' bird rights since he was only there for a year so they can not sign him to anything more than the Bi-Annual Exception or the veterans minimum. This makes absolutely no sense. Something is wrong.

Toronto: Pick a chandler who is a defensive machine, a great pairing for bargnani, can run the floor and is only signed on for 1 yr which will not affect davis' development much and he could pick up a thing or two from chandler defense wise. If we got gorat he is hooked on for 4 yrs which would take away time from davis in the future, who I think will develop into a good defensive player.

Indiana: get a solid starting point and a decent backup, if you're laughing i understand, that is only signed on for one year.

Dallas: Get Gortat that is a guy they have were chasing last year who is signed for a couple of years and still get some cap relief when reggie's contract expires at the end of the season. Therefore get a "solid" center for now and the future and a dirty work guy for the same price of chandler

Orlando: Get a solid cheaper backup for dwight and get cap relief with the expiration of tj's contract and have a excellent scorer who I think would play great with dwight in the pick and roll or just get a trade exception from the raptors.

This trade works through the trade machine, I doubt there is any chance of this, but maybe just maybe if hell freezes over and this happens, toronto would be a solid 5-7 seed team for next year and it sets them up for the future financially.

Even after Matt Barnes(notes) announced himself as a Toronto Raptor on his Twitter account, the sign-and-trade deal that would’ve sent him to the team with a two-year, $9 million contract has fallen apart, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

“The sign-and-trade is dead,” the source flatly said.

Barnes could still agree to a new deal with the Raptors with the available money left in their midlevel exception, but there appear to be larger offers elsewhere for him. A source blamed the snag on a “miscalculation” in negotiations.

Veteran swingman Matt Barnes, one of the most coveted free agents left on the open market, announced Monday night that he is headed to the Toronto Raptors.

But the limited sign-and-trade options available to Orlando -- Barnes' last team -- could scuttle the deal, according to sources close to the situation.

Under the impression that he would be receiving a two-year contract in the $10 million range, Barnes thanked Magic fans via his Twitter feed and said that he'll be "playing for the Toronto Raptors" next season.