Leves, my man, does that house look like a reno? It was a new build. Come on, man.

And BTW, we live in bear alley in Lynn Valley. Saw one in the front yard the other night, they are becoming the new 'rats'. But 99% of the problem are the morons who don't know how to manage their garbage. It's so bad around here, the bears, that the folks in our neighborhood are told to freeze their food scraps like meat until garbage day. I'm actually for a little downsizing of the local bear community as we have seen their population and urbanization go through the roof over the last few years. One of these days, some kid is gonna bump into a bear on the property and bears don't like to be surprised, especially momma bears.

"I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening? - Plastics." - The Graduate

LMAO .............I lobbed two turkey carcasses into my neighbours place a week after Easter. I had a housefull and cooked two 20 pound birds, but I missed garbage day. Not really a big deal since this old hag has two acres and regualrly feeds bears and racoons byt knocking the blackberries and rasberries off her bushes. . I went to work a couple weeks ago and there is mama bear and a cub gorging themselves on turkey .

RoyalDude wrote:I'm actually for a little downsizing of the local bear community as we have seen their population and urbanization go through the roof over the last few years. One of these days, some kid is gonna bump into a bear on the property and bears don't like to be surprised, especially momma bears.

Same problem here except it is with deer. Hooves are sharp. Had a fawn born against the wall of our house last year. We have to watch our little guy when he goes out the front door. Take a good look around the corner of the house to see if there are deer lying there.

Walk over to the post office to check the mail box today and saw an old guy feeding carrots to three deer in his yard. I raised my arms in mock rifle aim, shouted BOOM, BOOM, BOOM as I moved my aim from one deer to the next. look of horror on the old guy's face as I wandered on down the road.

Don't have much problem with bears where I am, but deer and elk is another story. Have to wrap my cedar trees every fall or they look like lollipops come spring. If the elk get into a hay shed they can destroy tons of hay in a few days. They only go for the best stuff and they pull stacks down walk, piss and shit on it. They had a "special opening" for elk in January this year and there was a bunch of clowns in here from the Okanagan that won the draws. They ran a 40 head herd of elk about 2 miles and we heard about 15 shots. The herd ended up 100 yards from my house. I took a drive to see WTF was going on and find 2 guys on my neighbours land all decked out with camo, binocs, gators and guns. All that shooting and 2 animals down. I have no idea where all the stray lead went. Judging by the gear they had the meat was going to cost them about $50/lb! Fucking goofs.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt "

Mondi wrote:
Side note: I also think there is something to be said about killing fish or chickens versus apex mammals. Whether one likes it or not there are arguments about differences between animals. I mean let's face it, an ant or a mouse is every bit as much of animal as a bear, chicken or humpback whale. People throw the term hypocrite around far too often and far too easily, as if having two (ostensibly) contrasting opinions completely undermines one's position. There are degrees of difference in this world. I believe many would argue that a bear is substantially different than a salmon.

Is a bear substantially different then a Cow or a Pig ?

And yest it is COMPLETELY hypocritical to wag your finger at hunters while eating a bacon and egg breakfast and washing it down with a big glass of milk.

If you had any clue how deplorable some of the food production practices were in north america you would never, ever feel sorry for the bear that David Booth killed quickly in that video.

RoyalDude wrote:
And BTW, we live in bear alley in Lynn Valley. Saw one in the front yard the other night, they are becoming the new 'rats'. But 99% of the problem are the morons who don't know how to manage their garbage. It's so bad around here, the bears, that the folks in our neighborhood are told to freeze their food scraps like meat until garbage day. I'm actually for a little downsizing of the local bear community as we have seen their population and urbanization go through the roof over the last few years. One of these days, some kid is gonna bump into a bear on the property and bears don't like to be surprised, especially momma bears.

Ditto on Port Moody,

Anmore and Heritage mountain are both full of Bears and Deer to the point where having a back yard is getting kind of pointless. The Bears eat your garbage and scare the crap out of everyone. The Deer wreck your garden and shit kick your dog.

Mondi wrote:
Side note: I also think there is something to be said about killing fish or chickens versus apex mammals. Whether one likes it or not there are arguments about differences between animals. I mean let's face it, an ant or a mouse is every bit as much of animal as a bear, chicken or humpback whale. People throw the term hypocrite around far too often and far too easily, as if having two (ostensibly) contrasting opinions completely undermines one's position. There are degrees of difference in this world. I believe many would argue that a bear is substantially different than a salmon.

Is a bear substantially different then a Cow or a Pig ?

And yest it is COMPLETELY hypocritical to wag your finger at hunters while eating a bacon and egg breakfast and washing it down with a big glass of milk.

If you had any clue how deplorable some of the food production practices were in north america you would never, ever feel sorry for the bear that David Booth killed quickly in that video.

How quickly was it killed? What I recall from the video,which has been removed,was the arrow going in, the bear stumbling and running away, the guide spotting the blood and then the bear. Do you know how much the bear suffered from the moment the arrow went in to its death, a length of time that is not known to us,? How far did the bear run before the actual kill.
Listen, I have no problem with hunting bear? I have a real problem however with the method of baiting and then hiding in a tree,which, by the way, is illegal in B.C. and 18 states. Booth had to do this hunt in Alberta where it is legal.

Mondi wrote:
No, I'm a guy who thinks trophy hunting is a ridiculous hobby. Hunting for subsistence is a respectable activity.

However, unlike Booth's right to choose to hunt (which exists only pursuant to a grant of permission from some bureaucrat), I have the explicit constitutional right to have an opinion on hunting for sport.

But as I stated above, if Booth had the licence and he ate the bear he's done nothing wrong in my books. Still doesn't make him very bright (or very sporting for that matter).

.... and I have the explicit constitutional right to hold the opinion your books are cooked.

You say folks who kill bears aren't "very bright".

I say folks who say..... folks who kill bears aren't very bright.... aren't very bright.

BTW, I gave up hunting after shooting and killing my guide Abu.

They ruled it was an accident.

That is your right. But if your reading comprehension skills matched your propensity to insult people via the internet (and read the bible), you'd realize that I think a straight line, shoot first, non-passing hockey player, who plays for the Vancouver Canucks, who films his bear baiting expedition and then brags about it on Twitter is none too bright.

I've maintained this whole time that a guy who hunts for food is actually doing the world a good service, but even that guy is going to have lots of people disagreeing with him out of hand in Vancouver (regardless of how he uses the meat).

As for the conditions in slaughter houses? We've all seen Food Inc. and the like, but it does not necessarily follow that since dairy cows have a tough lot that people can shoot bears with relative impunity. If the bear is used for food, then the demand for beef (or whatever) will go down correspondingly. If it is a trophy hunt it is an increase in overall animal suffering. A basic utilitarian argument. And yes, it could be argued that a wild bear is substantially different than a cow. Cows have been domesticated animals for centuries.

We have bear problem in our area. The thing that frosts me is the responability is always down loaded on the public. If municpalities collected garbage at better times of the day when you're not putting it by the road side in the early hours and they offered discounted ( cost only ) bear proof garbage cans it would go a long way. But now they want you to get another freezer to FREEZE you garbage in so the smell is lessened, Joe public always ends up picking up the tab It would also help if they kept the wild berry bushes on their property under control

Are you trying to argue that because we have killed a lot more Cows and Pigs over a longer period of time that it's OK to cause them suffering for basically their entire existence?

It's OK to treat livestock that absolute garbage from their moment they come into existence to the day it hit's your plate, then scream bloody murder when a hunter shoots a bear (an animal that we actually need to reduce the population of).

It's so weird to watch people try and rationalize things from their soap box.

For the record I eat meat happily, and while I don't hunt myself but I actually think that properly regulated hunting is a great idea. Good for the economy, good for the environment, and "game" meats tend to be a healthy alternative to the "meat products" we see coming out of a lot of the big feedlots.