Seeing that it was an email going around, who is to know when it started. If it were true when it started, does that mean it's false months later?

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"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

hey...if you are going to argue with someone, it needs to be someone who can make a good argument. :evil:

i do argue with myself. i am good at it!

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

Standing in line at the grocery today I noticed The enquirer (or one of those other rags). The front page has a very gaunt looking Obummer and the head line was something like "Obama's dramatic weight loss" "birth certificate controversy weighing heavily".

Scott

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"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

Standing in line at the grocery today I noticed The enquirer (or one of those other rags). The front page has a very gaunt looking Obummer and the head line was something like "Obama's dramatic weight loss" "birth certificate controversy weighing heavily".

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

What I get from this article is that one person claims the birth was in Hawaii. Also mentions the birth is mentioned in 1961 news papers. But it does not say anyone has seen it in the paper. Also logged on some ledger somewhere... but that is not a certificate either.

i would think that a hospital birth record as are kept on a delivery ward, etc. would do fine. it would be record of maternal and infant care and that would do me just as well as a BC.

i guess i feel this is worth pursuing for a couple of reasons. one is purely revenge :evil: i remember the constant wail from the left and the media about the bush college records and the bush national guard records. while they might have been of interest to some, neither college scores nor national guard service are constitutional requirements of the office.

the other is just the mystery. proving where one was born, for someone of obamas age, is generally are pretty simple thing. even a witness to the birth, if they were credible, would be helpful. so far, the only people who have claimed first hand knowledge, have claimed he was born in Kenya. since his birthplace is a legal question, i think it's one that demands a definitive answer.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....

that doesn't apply to the requirements of the presidency. a person born of US citizens is a citizen. a natural born citizen is one born in the US for the purposes of determining eligibility for presidency. some exceptions are made for diplomats children, military children, etc.

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.....The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called “the government.” They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved.....