Mary Kissel and Bret Stephens discuss the likelihood of Russia's involvement of the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. Also, an adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu on civilian deaths in Gaza and Iran's nuclear talks.

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... I ... the ... still Concerto I'm Mary Kissel breaking news Malaysia Airlines Flight seventeen on its way from Amsterdam to calling for a ... one shot down over Eastern Ukraine caring almost three hundred passengers ... your comic is global view calmness Bret Stephens Press ... to breaking story we all have all the facts yet but we do know is that Ukraine is planning Russia ... Russia is planning to Ukraine ... it's almost certainly the act of Russia or of its proxy forces in the so-called Donetsk People's Republic ... the Russian government has almost openly than supplying its own ... these proxies these these ethics separatists twenty four and five Russian citizens ... with increasingly advanced meaning of munitions there been an extensive reports ... of saying um so when the U K who could not system which has the ability to shoot down planes up to seventy two thousand feet and this isn't the first plane has been shot down in a remote exactly and in fact the the the the nominal head of the ... Beatles' so-called Donetsk People's Republic ... there are these the indications that he was boasting earlier today of having shot down ... a what he believed was Ukrainian ... cargo jet has ... other Ukrainian cargo ships have been ... at least one other has been shot down ... until it became clear that what what had been shot down was a civilian jetliner ... almost undoubtedly caring notches Malaysian citizens ... of By citizens of European countries Dutch citizens probably a number of Americans own ... as well ... so this is really the consequence of a ... of the criminally minded regime in the Kremlin that is indiscriminately providing ... totally irresponsible proxies with highly sophisticated ... of munitions and I know you're seeing this ... in terms of the human carnage that has a baby quilt since the ... nineteen eighty three in the Downing of the Korean airline ... airline ... I thought you might raise exhale double oh seven ... I had massive political implications here Brett what's the fallout from something like this one I hope happens ... Mary is that this is a turning point you know ... despite the invasion of the seizure of the UU vehicle seizure of of of the Crimean peninsula ... sovereign Ukrainian territory ... the West has been almost in overdrive trying to sort of put that ... up I'll put that behind it ... and asked is if what is happening on the border between eastern Ukraine and ... in southern Russia ... has ... some small little known proxy war over due at the halfway cut ... at the Tara tree that's not that that's that that's not what this is ... what you know since Putin's ... I wrote a column in two thousandsix ... the title which was Russia the enemy been warning about this fraud for for a very very long time ... but for for more than up for of for more than eight years you've had colluded ... to routes ... up all of his neighbors in different ways cyber warfare campaigns against Estonia ... on efforts of political intimidation bribery in Kyrgyzstan deviation in two thousand and eight ... of Georgia which should of been a wake up signaled that the Obama missed ration unless one had with its terribly ill conceived reset ... and of course ... enlists shut offs of gas supplies in the middle of winter the seizure of Crimea ... now this this is a regime ... that is a global rogue state and it is not only creating mischief and all of its neighboring territories but doing this and ... the provision of missiles to Syria ... in in in Iran's throughout the world and so what needs to happen now is global recognition than flatten your Putin's ... is a global outlaw and he should be treated in ... a corner there's a sheepish Maury need more than that so we track um you've always done this and ready meals to Ukraine they've been asking for weapons to give it to them now absolutely we should be doing everything in our power even ... allowing for the fact that there are no doubt Ukrainian up ... of Russian spies all over the Ukrainian government and and and and and the Ukraine Ukrainian military ... we should be doing everything we can to back Ukrainian ... Pallai a democratic state that is trying to hold onto its very fragile democracy ... Ikenson over powering ... and up to bullying and neighbor and we should ... masterfully and I was heartened that the Obama missed ration ... began to expand some of the sanctions that though very minimal sanctions it imposed earlier those have to be up dramatically upped we need to start looking in every way we can to punish ... the circle of all of our ex ... military officials and intelligence officials the tight circle that operates in a crime and ... punishment make them Presley accountable make them suffer for the way in which they are acting and they think they're acting with impunity they should know they're not ... Russia is the week's State ... acting as if it's a strong one ... well our thoughts go out to their friends and family and the skill today almost three hundred people to tear with him and absolutely global view calmness Bret Stephens thank you sentiment for joining us ... Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu senior foreign policy advisors here to talk to us ... next ... it was six months Iran has met its commitments under the interim deal we reached last year ... halting the progress of its nuclear program ... on a more inspections ... and rolling back ... its most dangerous stockpile of nuclear material ... based on consultations with sector carry my national security team ... it's clear to me the we've made real progress in several areas and we have a credible way forward ... welcome back to Opinion Journal I'm Mary Kissel ... I was present Obama commenting on the release its talks with Iran over its nuclear program ... Suntory told senior foreign policy advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel ... also former UN and faster ... with me now I ATMs from Vassar presence as we have a credible way for the week ... I don't know what the prize it ... polls United States to the rain Aeon's present but I do know what the uranium positions ... in the real question is when the word in the year from the rain Aeon's stained or not for example ... are the rain Aeon's prepared ... to negotiate ... ballistic missiles ... you know there's a view is pretty costly solution nineteen twenty nine which relates to this ... or are they going to stay with the ballistic missile forces that it'll be allowed to have research and development ... right now we're and can strike Israel ... we can show how three that became operational in two thousand for it ... so we are ready affected by the missile forces ... that they're doing research and helping to develop an Intercontinental missile ... the Prime Minister Cameron in the UK in two thousand quell ... spoke about the sector's consultations with the head of the my six ... so do you want to have an ear and that is free to develop ... ballistic missiles that can of interest rate United States were strike your European partners obviously that's ... an issue of concern with the Iranians are going to talk about so what is that in your minds ... the current state of affairs on the centrifuges because that's also been an issue of concern ... the number of centrifuges that this deal is going to allow Iran to keep it developed ... out were those negotiations ... will currently are and has about nineteen thousand centrifuges ... up for the manufacture of Enrich dreamy ... um ... ten thousand actually be used to nine thousand are ... sitting in reserve waiting to be turned on ... now ... how far down all the cut this back ... in though when Pakistan developed ... its nuclear weapon ... it has something the vicinity of ... five to seven thousand centrifuges ... we talked about coming down to that level ... from an Israeli standpoint the should be zero centrifuges ... but that's not what the United States is negotiating so what's Israel's position when you're talking ... to the Prime Minister about what the US is proposing and what Iran is going to do ... what the Sea so ... what they were all concerned in Israel because with the rain Aeon's trying show flexibility and impress the West ... is these chocolate unprecedented inspections ... but in unprecedented access to their work to their sites is not a substitute ... for cutting ... their nuclear capability ... so that if you still remain with thousands of centrifuges and then fall forward with ... nuclear breakout ... what have you done ... it if there's another crisis in the world but the crisis doubt when the bomb ... with the Downing of the Malaysian aircraft over the Ukraine everyone's diverted and is precisely during these international crises in the rain Aeon's to March forward breakout ... and have enough and that is ... why else cell prepared ... to strike Iran ... if you believe that Iran is about to get the capacity to build a nuclear weapon we known as a formal the former diplomat and still an advisor to Prime Minister not comment on operational issues that is who will do what is necessary ... to defend its national interests ... thank you Oracle ... thank you so much for joining us ... we are going to turn out that Israel of course President Obama says ... he's concerned about the civilian casualties in the fighting in Gaza ... has said repeatedly ... Israel has a right to defend itself from rocket attacks ... that terrorized the Israeli people ... but ... over the past two weeks we've all been heartbroken by the violence ... especially the death and injury of so many an innocent civilians ... in Gaza ... men ... women ... and children were caught in crossfire ... story called senior foreign policy advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ... also former and asking United Nations stays with me now is ... Mr. ambassador ... to Israel is come under a lot of fire for these casualties of ... about two hundred and thirty Palestinians at last count in four children killed ... Heidi you explain these numbers ... well you know ... people in the world understand that the IDF operates with a code of ethics ... and that the whole purpose of our ... the military effort ... is to separate ... the civilian population for military capacity of Hamas it is Hamas ... that is putting ... its weapons in schools ... next the hospital's the store weapons in mosques ... and ... it's our efforts ... to try and signal population get away from the military capacity ... we do that by breaking into Hamas radio ... and telling people that we do that by dropping leaflets but the ones we dropped ... just yesterday which showed the way people should walk away from ... an area of northern Gaza ... and we also do that by actually having call Arabic speaking Israeli teens ... that call someone's home ... they called their cell phone and say we know you have munitions in your house you hafta leave your house is legitimate military targets that certain two people in the world really understand that because ... the president essentially sound in those comments ... Israel has the right to defend itself but always ... know what doesn't ... I'm really concerned about the Scots will you know anybody who's followed ... the counterinsurgency war in Iraq or Afghanistan knows ... that we as Western societies Hwee of certain basic morality we have to come to war ... we do not deliberately attack civilians that isn't Israel ... that is in the United States ... of blood on for Chile Swings to get ... affected because ... precisely because our enemies do put their military capacity ... next to their civilian back into thousandnine the UN came out with something called the Goldstone report and talked about basically accused Israel ... of targeting civilians that report was disavowed you were part ... of that debate ... at what's been learned since then because it doesn't seem ... we were seeing this in reaction to day that we saw back then ... well you know we've managed to incorporate into our military doctrine and military activities ... more measures ... to protect civilians than ever before ... but the same time we can't change the United Nations human rights Council in Geneva ... and we can't change the kind of instinct to answer questions will get ... on the BBC or elsewhere ... about our military operations he wrote a book on the Sydney Tower of Babel correct ... and about the United Nations that was due before ... these military operations in Gaza ... but what we have to do ... his first and foremost bring this rocket fire to completed ... and afterwards in the fall we have to make sure ... that the Gaza Strip does not again become the warehouse for a rainy and weapons Samuel we're talking about a ground assault men and gods ... while to get going again whether we achieve this through diplomatic means ... or through military means remains to be decided ... but ... I'm ... obviously what's important to clarify your goals and going through a goal is simple it is untenable ... to have a half million Israelis or more ... now it's roughly several million ... living in shelters listing to sirens ... and does not begin with live normal lives to crack investors Oracle ... thank you so much for joining us ... I ... I ...