does anyone else who bought a Nook Color feel just a little ripped off, Barnes and Noble do what should of been done in the first place and open the Nook Color platform to be used as a tablet.

Seems to me that the Tablet, is a Nook Color being run without restrictions, and in a slightly different colored housing. Why would any Nook Color owner be excited by the tablet, we are being ripped off, the color is capable of the same as the tablet if they upgraded the software....in fact BN shouldn't release a new product the should of upgraded all nook colors, but then it wouldn't of been a big press announcement coming right after the kindle fire.

Remember when apple dropped the price of I-phones, and everyone complained, this seems not te same but similar, I spent 249 bucks on my nook color, and less than six months later it is replaced because of BN poor strategy, the could of released the tablet instead of the Nook Color a yr ago.

Don't be fooled people, if you are a current owner of a nook color, you and I are being RIPPED OFF !!!!!

Its no different than going out and buying a new laptop or personal computer and then the company coming out wtih a new and better model a few months later. That's the nature of the world of electronic devices. Be happy that you have the wonderful device you do. Barnes and Noble doesnt owe you a thing. You bought the NC because of what it was when you purchased it, not because of possible things that would come out later.

But for some of us it is different. I bought my Nook six weeks ago. I had not read or heard of Barnes and Noble moving into the Tablet PC realm. The Sale Rep did not mention that in a month there would be a new version.

I also feel ripped off, I can not believe B&N would have kept a new product under until nearly the day it launched. Intel, AMD, MS, Apple, they all annouce Months in advanced that a new version will be available. If the information had been available 2 months ago I would have waited. The information was purposfully withheld, that is why many people feel duped, cheated and outraged..

Apple invades people's homes in the company of sheriff's deputies if they suspect information about their hardware is being leaked ahead of launch date. People know when new Apple products are coming based on rumors, the timing of past releases, and general expectations regarding the production cycle of electronic goods.

It is easier than ever to do consumer research.

At no point in history was it a good idea to rely on salespeople for product information.

As past posters have said, you determined at the time of your purchase that the Nook Color was worth the amount of currency you exchanged for it. If your research was sufficient and your reasoning sound, the release of a new product should not impact that decision. If your experience buying the Nook Color taught you something about what you should consider when making an electronics purchase and what kind of information you should gather beforehand, then write Barnes and Noble a thank you note.

But for some of us it is different. I bought my Nook six weeks ago. I had not read or heard of Barnes and Noble moving into the Tablet PC realm. The Sale Rep did not mention that in a month there would be a new version.

I also feel ripped off, I can not believe B&N would have kept a new product under until nearly the day it launched. Intel, AMD, MS, Apple, they all annouce Months in advanced that a new version will be available. If the information had been available 2 months ago I would have waited. The information was purposfully withheld, that is why many people feel duped, cheated and outraged..

So many painful comments there.

The Nook Tablet is not a Tablet PC, it is not a generic tablet, and it is not significantly different from the Nook Color other than being faster and, possibly, offering Netflix HD support in addition to Netflix support.

They did announce the new product before releasing it, about two weeks in advance, in fact. The Kindle Fire certainly had a bigger lead time, six weeks (but, to be fair, they also didn't have a previous product to compete with the new one). What amount of time is sufficient notice?

Apple keeps the tightest secrets in the industry. You are kidding yourself if you think they announce anything ahead of time. Intel, AMD, and Microsoft are better, but not by much.

The sales representative had no idea a new product was coming, so they are not to be blamed.

I'm an "industry insider" in that I work for a company that releases products. Let me give you a tip: about one month after the Nook Tablet releases (if not sooner), B&N is going to start working on a new product. They don't know when it will release yet, but they will announce it as soon as they are finished, and then release a couple of weeks later as manufacturing builds up stock and ships units where needed.

But for some of us it is different. I bought my Nook six weeks ago. I had not read or heard of Barnes and Noble moving into the Tablet PC realm. The Sale Rep did not mention that in a month there would be a new version.

I also feel ripped off, I can not believe B&N would have kept a new product under until nearly the day it launched. Intel, AMD, MS, Apple, they all annouce Months in advanced that a new version will be available. If the information had been available 2 months ago I would have waited. The information was purposfully withheld, that is why many people feel duped, cheated and outraged..

B&N has done this since the launch of the first NOOK in late 2009. There has been no advanced notice for any new device or software update (after the first estimate of the first software update for the original NOOK came and went and there was a huge outcry over it) in two years and four new devices.

Outraged? Really? Wow. How ridiculous. It's a toy. It isn't a necessity. Some people really need to put some tihngs in perspective if they're becoing outraged because they made a choice to buy a toy before the newer toy was announced. Talk about a first world problem.

I find it amazing that so many children have purchased nooks and NookColors in the past. Then when a new product is introduced they all come out of the woodwork and whine, cry, complain, and throw temper tantrums because "they were ripped off" or "they were cheated".

My advise to them is to NEVER buy anything electronic but to WAIT until the ultimate all-doing electronic gadget is introduced. If they can hold off till to at least 2025 I'm pretty sure that B&N, Amazon, Dell, Samsung, and all the other technology vendors should be able to satisfy them.

Let me tell you something. Barnes and Nobles has been very following a very reactive approach to answer the threats raised by e-book selllers like amazon. Perhaps, the only exception to this would be nook simple touch.

I have contacts with people (though I am afraid I cannot disclose the names) who were present in both kindle fire and nook tablet press events and word to mouth it has been communicated that Kindle fire is much faster than nook tablet because of the way in which it is designed.

Multiplying the processing power and memory is not neccessarily going to multiply the performance or zippiness of the device in a directly propotional manner.The OS has to have the capability to utilize it.

Personally, I have tried all the 3 nooks and today I am dis-satisfied with all except Nook simple touch. Also, B&N is really pathetic in revising their products both in software and price actively rather than waiting for some competitor to show up their cards and finaly they tweak their products to respond.

Hence, after careful consideration I would switch to KF rather than NT. Again, this is my personal opinion based on the facts I have gathered. Moreover, it is always good to be associated with an organization which tells them what value add their products offer rather than an organization who looks around what their competitors are offering and then make adjustments to their policies and finally critize the competitor's product that they are using to create their own baseline.

Let me tell you something. Barnes and Nobles has been very following a very reactive approach to answer the threats raised by e-book selllers like amazon. Perhaps, the only exception to this would be nook simple touch.

I have contacts with people (though I am afraid I cannot disclose the names) who were present in both kindle fire and nook tablet press events and word to mouth it has been communicated that Kindle fire is much faster than nook tablet because of the way in which it is designed.

Multiplying the processing power and memory is not neccessarily going to multiply the performance or zippiness of the device in a directly propotional manner.The OS has to have the capability to utilize it.

Personally, I have tried all the 3 nooks and today I am dis-satisfied with all except Nook simple touch. Also, B&N is really pathetic in revising their products both in software and price actively rather than waiting for some competitor to show up their cards and finaly they tweak their products to respond.

Hence, after careful consideration I would switch to KF rather than NT. Again, this is my personal opinion based on the facts I have gathered. Moreover, it is always good to be associated with an organization which tells them what value add their products offer rather than an organization who looks around what their competitors are offering and then make adjustments to their policies and finally critize the competitor's product that they are using to create their own baseline.

Good luck and all the best which ever side you are on!

Let's see:

- B&N was first with a Color tablet ereader, Amazon releases the Fire a year later.

- B&N was first with an e-ink touchscreen ereader. Amazon releases the Kindle Touch half a year later.

- B&N was the first to offer lending of books. Amzon introduces this a year (?) later.

- B&N had public library suport from the first Nook on. Amazon recently introduced this.

Personally, I have tried all the 3 nooks and today I am dis-satisfied with all except Nook simple touch. Also, B&N is really pathetic in revising their products both in software and price actively rather than waiting for some competitor to show up their cards and finaly they tweak their products to respond.

Do you really think that Amazon announced the Fire and other Kindles in late September and B&N said, oh we better do something and they were create and test an update in about 5 weeks??? The update had to have been in the works for a while now, they don't create updates in a matter of weeks, not a reaction to new devices by Amazon.

I have contacts with people (though I am afraid I cannot disclose the names) who were present in both kindle fire and nook tablet press events and word to mouth it has been communicated that Kindle fire is much faster than nook tablet because of the way in which it is designed.

(The original Nook Color did need some work on responsiveness, but B&N addressed it fairly quickly.) I guess we'll all know next week when the Kindle Fire and the B&N Nook Tablet can be used by actual people and not merely demonstrated by company staff. For my part, I'm expecting the Nook Tablet to be mostly like the Nook Color ... which isn't a bad thing.

mhrzxzxa wrote:

Multiplying the processing power and memory is not neccessarily going to multiply the performance or zippiness of the device in a directly propotional manner.The OS has to have the capability to utilize it.

Yes, but they are using almost the same version of Android OS on the same hardware platform (in fact, the Nook Tablet uses the exact same chip as the new Google Galaxy Nexus). Considering that the B&N is less flashy and more functional (no carousel spin through my books, thank you very much), I'll be especially surprised if it feels sluggish.

mhrzxzxa wrote:

Personally, I have tried all the 3 nooks and today I am dis-satisfied with all except Nook simple touch. Also, B&N is really pathetic in revising their products both in software and price actively rather than waiting for some competitor to show up their cards and finaly they tweak their products to respond.

Eh, I own all of the existing Nook products, and the first edition was a little slow (but it made up for it with a nicer display among other features), but they are all good (especially when compared against what was available at the time).

B&N has been way ahead of Amazon for at least a year with the Nook Color and later the Nook STR. B&N dropped the price on the original Nook first, forcing Amazon to respond. Even so, I can't say I blame them for not wanting to get into a race-to-the-bottom price war while trying to bring premium products to the market.

Amazon has released some decent products, but that doesn't mean that B&N has to release bad ones. Amazon has better computer infrastructure, but that doesn't mean B&N isn't offering the features most people care about. And really, if you want to be honest, Sony has been kicking everyone's butt for years when it comes to customer-friendly e-Ink products.

mhrzxzxa: Let me tell you something. Barnes and Nobles has been very following a very reactive approach to answer the threats raised by e-book selllers like amazon. Perhaps, the only exception to this would be nook simple touch.

Ummmm. I have no idea which was released first - the Nook Simple Touch or the Kindle Touch (I've only recently become interested in ereaders). But the NOOKcolor was definitely released first with the KF being a response to that - about a year later. I'd say in this particular case, it was Amazon that was being reactive - not B&N.

Let me tell you something. Barnes and Nobles has been very following a very reactive approach to answer the threats raised by e-book selllers like amazon. Perhaps, the only exception to this would be nook simple touch.

No Barnes and Noble has not been following Amazon other than to create an ereader after Amazon did. Which came first the NC or the Fire? Which came first the N2E aka the Simple Touch Reader or the Kindle Touch? Which came first, lending and library lending on the nook or lending on kindles? It actually should be pointed out that Sony had many of these features first.

If as you assert B&N was following Amazon then it would take several months for the NOOK Tablet to be released. It is by and large Amazon that has been following others including Sony, Apple, Kobo, and Barnes and Noble.

Your whole premise is flawed. And while maybe not always doing the best thing right away with updates and all, they do try to incorporate user's wishes into the updates and do try to address needs.

It is very easy to also assert something is true (like inside information) when not being able to provide facts to back the assertion up. Please take a look at who has been reacting to whom.

And it's a case of whatever floats your boat. I personally do not like the Amazon (Apple lite) ecosystem for kindles. If you do, more power to you. But both Amazon and Apple all but require you be tied to them with software that must be installed on your computer and so on. In order to even simply download an mp3 you purchase at Amazon, you must download their Amazon Cloud Player. Even if you already have a suitable mp3 player. Bloatware.

I'm going between "attacking" and "defending" Amazon so frequently that I might have to invest in a neck brace.

deemure wrote:

And it's a case of whatever floats your boat. I personally do not like the Amazon (Apple lite) ecosystem for kindles. If you do, more power to you. But both Amazon and Apple all but require you be tied to them with software that must be installed on your computer and so on. In order to even simply download an mp3 you purchase at Amazon, you must download their Amazon Cloud Player. Even if you already have a suitable mp3 player. Bloatware.

You are right that B&N seems to be leaning toward user-controllable content while Amazon is leaning toward the Amazon experience.

However...

You do not have to download the Cloud Player to get MP3s. You do not have to download Amazon Downloader to get MP3s (which the Cloud Player actually utilizes). You can download your music directly from an Amazon Digital Library web page. It is less than ideal when purchasing albums because you have to download each track individually, but it works.

I'm going between "attacking" and "defending" Amazon so frequently that I might have to invest in a neck brace.

deemure wrote:

And it's a case of whatever floats your boat. I personally do not like the Amazon (Apple lite) ecosystem for kindles. If you do, more power to you. But both Amazon and Apple all but require you be tied to them with software that must be installed on your computer and so on. In order to even simply download an mp3 you purchase at Amazon, you must download their Amazon Cloud Player. Even if you already have a suitable mp3 player. Bloatware.

You are right that B&N seems to be leaning toward user-controllable content while Amazon is leaning toward the Amazon experience.

However...

You do not have to download the Cloud Player to get MP3s. You do not have to download Amazon Downloader to get MP3s (which the Cloud Player actually utilizes). You can download your music directly from an Amazon Digital Library web page. It is less than ideal when purchasing albums because you have to download each track individually, but it works.

Actually, you do need the Downloader to buy complete albums. On some albums, some songs are only available when you buy the album as a whole. So to get the complete album, you need the Downloader. Also, songs average $0.99. An album might have 14 songs, so to download that complete album by individual song, it will cost about $14.00. However, that same album purchased as a whole may only cost $10.00. So unless you want to pay $4.00 dollars extra, you need to use the Downloader to buy the alnum as a whole.

The cloud player plays music that you store in the cloud. It runs out of the browser. When you buy mp3s, if you store it in the cloud, it is free, and does not count against your alloted space. Once in the cloud, you can still download a copy to your PC, and even delete it. If you do not send your mp3s to the cloud upon purchase or if you delete it, and then you upload that music later, it counts against your cloud space allotment. You can also upload your own music to the cloud which also counts against your allotment.

Amazon mp3s do not use any DRM. That is why I download music from Amazon and not I-Tunes. That is also why I bought an NC, and not a Kindle. I want to use my content on my hardware and with my software of choice.

Actually, you do need the Downloader to buy complete albums. On some albums, some songs are only available when you buy the album as a whole. So to get the complete album, you need the Downloader. Also, songs average $0.99. An album might have 14 songs, so to download that complete album by individual song, it will cost about $14.00. However, that same album purchased as a whole may only cost $10.00. So unless you want to pay $4.00 dollars extra, you need to use the Downloader to buy the alnum as a whole.

You are misinformed about the Downloader.

First, start by buying the album.

If you use the Cloud Storage (which is free for a year with any album purchase ... for now), then you can download from the Cloud Player web page without the downloader (click the drop-down arrow, choose Download, and say "No Thanks" to installing the Downloader).

If you don't use the Cloud Storage, click "Your Account", then "MP3 Downloads", then find your recent purchase. Download each track by clicking on the title, no Downloader necessary. (Note that you can only download a purchase once and, if you are using Cloud Storage, that counts as your download.)

I've forgotten why the conversation strayed here, but Amazon isn't locking you into their music service through anything but providing value and selection over their competition.

Actually, you do need the Downloader to buy complete albums. On some albums, some songs are only available when you buy the album as a whole. So to get the complete album, you need the Downloader. Also, songs average $0.99. An album might have 14 songs, so to download that complete album by individual song, it will cost about $14.00. However, that same album purchased as a whole may only cost $10.00. So unless you want to pay $4.00 dollars extra, you need to use the Downloader to buy the alnum as a whole.

You are misinformed about the Downloader.

First, start by buying the album.

If you use the Cloud Storage (which is free for a year with any album purchase ... for now), then you can download from the Cloud Player web page without the downloader (click the drop-down arrow, choose Download, and say "No Thanks" to installing the Downloader).

If you don't use the Cloud Storage, click "Your Account", then "MP3 Downloads", then find your recent purchase. Download each track by clicking on the title, no Downloader necessary. (Note that you can only download a purchase once and, if you are using Cloud Storage, that counts as your download.)

I've forgotten why the conversation strayed here, but Amazon isn't locking you into their music service through anything but providing value and selection over their competition.

I am not misinformed. You are disingenuous. Your quote of me completely ignores more than half of what I said. The rest states:

"The cloud player plays music that you store in the cloud. It runs out of the browser. When you buy mp3s, if you store it in the cloud, it is free, and does not count against your alloted space. Once in the cloud, you can still download a copy to your PC, and even delete it. If you do not send your mp3s to the cloud upon purchase or if you delete it, and then you upload that music later, it counts against your cloud space allotment. You can also upload your own music to the cloud which also counts against your allotment.

Amazon mp3s do not use any DRM. That is why I download music from Amazon and not I-Tunes. That is also why I bought an NC, and not a Kindle. I want to use my content on my hardware and with my software of choice."

I probably should have stated in the first paragraph, "Actually, you do need the Downloader to buy complete albums when downloading directly from the album's web page." But my post as a whole makes it clear I was differentiating between non-cloud and cloud use. I never said that in all cases you must use the downloader. I was merely pointing out that the downloader allows you to buy whole albums directly, without having to go to the cloud. I was also pointing out that you can download individual songs directly without using the downloader.

Also, your discussion of the cloud makes it sound like I knew nothing about the cloud option for purchase, when my second paragraph makes much the same point as what you said.

Finally, I never said Amazon was trying to lock anyone into their music service. Quite the contrary, in my third paragraph I stated that Amazon does not use DRM to protect mp3s, and that is why I buy mp3s from them.

Whether or not cloud computing in general is a good idea, or whether or not Amazon's .azw format for e-books is trying to tie you to them and the Kindle are separate topics addressed by plenty of people in other posts.

Let me tell you something. Barnes and Nobles has been very following a very reactive approach to answer the threats raised by e-book selllers like amazon. Perhaps, the only exception to this would be nook simple touch.

Let's see .. Bezos was so desperate to have a color tablet this Christmas (AFTER poohpoohing the desire for color and AFTER seeing the response to the Nook Color) that he actually contracted OUT of Amazon to have the Fire made. (Apparently that's why the Fire bears such a striking resemblance to another Android tablet due out on the market at the same price point.) Amazon brought the Kindle Touch to market many months after the NST debuted to rave reviews.

4. NookColor comes out 2010 best selling item in the history of BN now amazon comes out with Fire (coughs) I mean "smoke" fyi BN has a year on them on this readers tablet business.

5. Summer of 2011 Simple Touch debuts with two months of battery life all touch screen. Several Hours after BN announced the battery life of ST. Amazon immediately changes their website to say two months of battery life vs ST not realizing BN compared both devices side by side, page turn by page turn on who's battery life was superior.

6. amazon decides to do touch ereaders themselves that resemble both Nook ST and Kobo touch

7. November 2011 Nook Tablet debuts talks of netflix and hulu plus anger kindle faithful and they threaten to cancel their fire orders so amazon makes two announcements that smoke will get both netflix and hulu plus.

But for some of us it is different. I bought my Nook six weeks ago. I had not read or heard of Barnes and Noble moving into the Tablet PC realm. The Sale Rep did not mention that in a month there would be a new version.

I also feel ripped off, I can not believe B&N would have kept a new product under until nearly the day it launched. Intel, AMD, MS, Apple, they all annouce Months in advanced that a new version will be available. If the information had been available 2 months ago I would have waited. The information was purposfully withheld, that is why many people feel duped, cheated and outraged..

GOOGLE is your friend. Use it before making that electonics purchase and 9 times out of 10 you will find that the newer product has been leaked. Do your research, especially after any electronic gadget has been out on the market for over a few months (maybe days, in some cases!).

If you are constantly chasing the newest, latest, and greatest product out there, you will either be waiting forever for it or you will go broke buying gadgets! Of course, you could just buy something and then choose to be either happy with your purchase or miserable because you THINK you got ripped off a few weeks later!!

I bought mine about a month ago. Trust me, by coming to this forum and by using GOOGLE, I already knew that B&N was planning on releasing a new product. Did I care? No. The NC did what I wanted it to do and I ordered it. After Monday's announcement was I sorry I didn't wait? No. My NC does what I want it to do. I had installed an n2a card in it anyway. If I want a faster experience, I will use my computer. I have not found the NC to be slow and I'm not in that big of a hurry, anyway

I had been thinking about getting a nook since the summer, but I looked at the information available and saw that it had come out last October and new that some kind of an upgrade would be coming out, so I held off on my purchase waiting to see whatever the new product was going to be. If you did not do your research, there rep behind the counter has no obligation to tell you that a newer model is coming out. I have friends who work at BN and they all assumed that something was coming out but had no real information before the middle of October, so they couldn't have told you anything anyway. This is a simple case of Buyer Beware. As the buyer it is your responsibility to do you research and make your purchase decision.

I would like to know what world some of these complainers live in. Some have said that what B&N has done is typical for the technology world. I submit that this is typical for the entire consumer world:

Haven't any of these people bought something at the supermarket (or mall, or whatever), and found out the day after their "return privilege" expires, that the same product is now on sale for less? Like a new car, for instance.

In my mind, this isn't a question of maturity; it's a question of being in contact with reality.

I also wonder if these people complain when they buy a product, and find out the next day that the price of the product has gone up ...

Actually, it's even more absurd than that supermarket example. In the supermarket example, it's the same product that goes on sale the next week. This is more akin to me buying Corn Flakes at $3.00 this week, and then complaining that the following week, new Cocoa Corn Flakes came out at $3.49, and I feel "ripped off," because Kelloggs never told me that Cocoa Corn Flakes was coming out this week, and saying that if I had known,I never would have bought regular Corn Flakes.

Don't be fooled people, if you are a current owner of a nook color, you and I are being RIPPED OFF !!!!!

Everyone should mail and complain to BN management.

It is easy to feel the way you do about this but that (unfortunately) is the world of electronics. That is how the money keeps coming in. People buy an item and then the new verson comes out and we have to upgrade to it if we want it. There are enough people in the world who want the new version enough to to keep the cycle going.

Having said all that, you may want to wait for the 1.4 upgrade to the NC before you do anything drastic. According to the articles and even the BN website, the firmware update will put the NC almost on par with the new tablet (other than the faster processing power of the tablet).

Honestly I think we all will be quite suprised on how different it will be.

Interesting: You registered with this site on January 19th, 2011. Does that mean you contemplated for 5 months before buying your NC? If you wanted a tablet that bad, you should have bought one. I'm amazed at how many people try to save a few bucks by buying something they don't really want.

The NC is a GREAT reader with the added bonus of being able to run applications, play music, display pictures, and cruise the Internet.

The problem here is not just the OP's attitude, but that every verifiable claim made in the post is false. The next update for the NC will purportedly bring the two devices in sync in terms of software, and there are some very significant differences in terms of hardware. If B&N went wrong, it was in overestimating their target demographic's capacity to recognize the benefit of a dual core processor and double the RAM.

The problem here is not just the OP's attitude, but that every verifiable claim made in the post is false. The next update for the NC will purportedly bring the two devices in sync in terms of software, and there are some very significant differences in terms of hardware. If B&N went wrong, it was in overestimating their target demographic's capacity to recognize the benefit of a dual core processor and double the RAM.

Yep. I want the Tablet version because of the capacity, processor, and so on. I like browsing the web on the NC and reading on it and all. It isn't a true tablet, depending on your definition of what a tablet must be. I don't need more of a tablet in many ways, but a souped up ereader with more tab capabilites suits me fine.

Technology always updates, upgrades, and outdates. If you don't want to pay full price for a new piece of technology wait a year and buy it on clearance. I've had my NC since March and I have hauled the thing to heck and back, completed most of my homework for my master's course on it, read way too much, kept in touch with friends, and became addicted to Angry Birds. Do I need the added features of the Tablet no, but I am pleased with what B&N turned out. Why can everything else always upgrade with no whiff of whining, (or maybe there is, I just don't go hunting those boards), but if B&N should do the same thing, it is the End of the World as We Know It! (Thank you R.E.M.). Reality check: Technology always updates, upgrades, and outdates. Self entitlement is not a pretty thing to witness...But we see too much of it everyday.

An excercise all should endeavor to complete before embarking on rampant whining:

Take a step back from your device and ask yourself the following questions:

does anyone else who bought a Nook Color feel just a little ripped off, Barnes and Noble do what should of been done in the first place and open the Nook Color platform to be used as a tablet.

Seems to me that the Tablet, is a Nook Color being run without restrictions, and in a slightly different colored housing. Why would any Nook Color owner be excited by the tablet, we are being ripped off, the color is capable of the same as the tablet if they upgraded the software....in fact BN shouldn't release a new product the should of upgraded all nook colors, but then it wouldn't of been a big press announcement coming right after the kindle fire.

Remember when apple dropped the price of I-phones, and everyone complained, this seems not te same but similar, I spent 249 bucks on my nook color, and less than six months later it is replaced because of BN poor strategy, the could of released the tablet instead of the Nook Color a yr ago.

Don't be fooled people, if you are a current owner of a nook color, you and I are being RIPPED OFF !!!!!

Everyone should mail and complain to BN management.

First of all - no. I don't ever feel "ripped off" when newer technology comes out. If you've been around at all for the past 30-40 years, you know that's just the way things work.

Secondly - you are way off-base when you say that the NookTablet is a NookColor run without restrictions. Where did you get that? It will have exactly the same operating system once the 1.4 update is available for the NC next month. It will do all the same things - the difference is in the hardware. They just simply made it better, faster and with more storage. The NT will NOT be an open Droid tablet able to do everything a Galaxy, for example, will.

And third - they couldn't have come out with the NookTablet a year ago because they didn't have the technology then! They've been working on it for the past year. And I applaud them for making such nice advancement in the technology and software AND making the update available for NookColor owners.

If you'd never bought the NC but waited for the Tablet, I have no doubt that you would whine next year because they upgraded to a Tablet 2. Let's look at some of your gripes:

>> Seems to me that the Tablet, is a Nook Color being run without restrictions<<

Although I plan to buy a Nook Tablet sometime next year, I should point out htat it is NOT "without restrictions." So if it makes you feel a little less "ripped off," relax: They get the exact same app marketplace that you get. Nothing more. Does it please you that they will be just as "ripped off"?

In fact, I would contend that in one very important way, the Nook Color owner is better off than the Tablet owner. You have the ability to easily root your Nook or flash a new Rom to get full access to the Android system and Android marketplace. There are some very serious questions about whether this will be possible on the Nook Tablet (One analyst I read yesterday highly doubts that Barnes & Noble can sell such a high-end tablet at $249 at a profit.....which means they need to keep everyone on the stock interface and not allow rooting).

>> Seems to me that the Tablet, is a Nook Color being run without restrictions the color is capable of the same as the tablet if they upgraded the software..<<

If you had done any research, you would know that the Nook Color is about to get its most significant software upgrade yet, in time for the holidays.

>>..in fact BN shouldn't release a new product the should of upgraded all nook colors, but then it wouldn't of been a big press announcement coming right after the kindle fire.<<

OR they can do what they did.....BOTH. They announced a major software upgrade for the Nook Color, a new product called the Nook Tablet, and aprice reduction on the Color.

> (One analyst I read yesterday highly doubts that Barnes & Noble can sell such a high-end tablet at $249 at a profit.....which means they need to keep everyone on the stock interface and not allow rooting). <

Complete nonsense. I guess that HTC won't be making any profit on their even more capable Flyer at 50 bucks more. I wonder where their secondary revenue stream is that allows them to sell their 7" tablet "at a loss".

Honestly, an "analyst" these days is anyone with a computer and a willingness to spew dreck. Give them a soapbox and they'll come up with something to say to drive traffic. Idle speculation that no one will remember or care about, two minutes after it's determined to be incorrect.

The exact same thing could have been said, with just as much certainty, about the original NC one year ago.

If you really feel that you need the Nook color to be a tablet and you don't want to "root" it, you could do what I did a little while back. You can buy a SD card and put the Andriod system on it or buy a SD with N2A on it and then reboot. You now have a dual boot Nook. let the reboot alone and it comes up as a tablet or hit a key in the first 5 seconds (there is a count down at the top of the screen) and then you would boot up as a NOOK.

I feel more "ripped off" that B&N has introduced a new model based on the NC when they haven't (yet) addressed 2 (IMO) major issues: Landscape mode for non-rooted Colors - per their advertising for the first 6 months of sale, and the poorly-made charging cables.

But the Tablet HAD to come out as a response to the Fyre. Otherwise, B&N risks losing what more-or-less equal market share they have. Yes, Amazon has a LOT more eBooks available. But B&N does have the option for most folks, to visit a brick & mortar store for assistance or just to get a free hour of reading. And B&N addressed the "need" for some eReader users (like myself) to have a back-lit option.

If 1.4 for the NC does indeed bring it up to equality w/ the NT, barring things like the mic & possibly streaming videos due to internal hardware differences, than I think I'll be rather happy w/ my NC for a while longer. Otherwise, I'll be getting the N2A card for sure. 1.4 has gotta have the landscaping, and should have some method to allow me to scoot downloads from one folder to another or otherwise be able to read while on the road & not near my personal computer (a lot of what I read would likely get me fired if I routed through my work PC ^_^ )

But feeling "ripped off" for a new product coming out? It's the nature of the beast. Tech does that. Sucks, but it's the way it goes.

You have to remember what the market was like when the NOOKcolor came out. Unless I'm mistaken (and I very well could be), the NC was a game changer in a lot of ways. At the time it came out, it was unique as far as the ereaders between the two giants (B&N and A) were concerned. Amazon only had e-ink, not computer-type screens. I also think there weren't very many 7" tablets on the market at the time; were there? I think the NC helped to create a demand for them. If that's the case, at the time it came out making the NC what the NT is purported to be wouldn't have made much sense at all.

Actually, no, I don't feel ripped off. I've had my NC to enjoy since March. Just stock, it does eveyrthing I want it to do; but now that it's dual booted with CM&, I have everything the NT offers and then some...I can, for example, read Kindle books if I wanted to. Technology advances, prices drop, new stuff is offered. I try to buy relatively early in the cycle, so I have nine months or so of having the Latest and the Greatest if it's a product for which I have a need (or perceived need...) And then, eventually, something will leapfrog what I have. Such is life. Most of the time, what I have suffices and I can live with its no longer beig the Latest and the Greatest.

Warning, smart aleck response. So I am wondering just what is the cutoff for how long you have to own something before you have been ripped off by a new model upgrade or price reduction. Did I get ripped off because I bought a car last week and they announced new incentives this week? Certainly a much bigger purchase. What about grocery items, clothes, TVs. If anything I buy now is on sale on black friday have I been ripped off? Of course not. You bought when you bought based on what you knew. Lacking perfect knowledge we all get lucky sometimes or sometimes not. I think one important point is that I have received enjoyable use of my CNK for 5-6 months. If I had waited till now I would get an updated product but have lost that opprotunity. Certainly upgrades and rewarding customer loyalty has value and each will factor that in future purchases, but you were not ripped off. Besides anyone who has done any research at all in the past 6 weeks should have been able to figure out a new model was coming.

I don't feel ripped off at all. I've had my NC almost a year, and I've enjoyed it every single day, I can't imagine life without it now. Especially with the n2a card. If it imploded today I'd feel like I got my moneys worth. :-)

I have had my Nook Color just since the middle of summer, but I don't feel at all ripped off! I have enjoyed all that time with my Nook Color tremendously. The Tablet isn't all that different (I have a huge memory card in mine anyway). I am very pleased with the fact that although they came out with a new product, they are still continually upgrading my slightly older model, and it is about to be 2 upgrades better than when I bought it, and it was worth the money then. When I wear it out, I will buy the next one, which I am sure will be a bigger step up than the current Tablet.

Had mine nearly a year, so I don't feel ripped off or mislead. I wanted it for the ePub ereader and touch screen. The other features and limited Android tablet functions were a nice plus but not my reason for purchasing.

Change and keeping upcoming product releases quiet is just a fact of life. If it really bothers you, you could sell your nearly new NC on eBay (used are going for around $150) and buy the Nook Tablet or AZ Fire.

DeanGibson said: "In my mind, this isn't a question of maturity; it's a question of being in contact with reality."

Actually this is the "victim" mentality that is so prevalent today at many levels. Failing to take personal responsibility for their own lives/decisions and actions blaming everyone else, with no common sense or connection with reality.

Frankly there would be no Nookcolor 2 or "nook tablet" if it wasn't for us who bought the original Nook Color, we paid to help B&N advance the product line, many of us will gladly pay again because we liked our NC so much, we are not victims, we applaud B&N's effort and hope it makes even more improvements.

Frankly there would be no Nookcolor 2 or "nook tablet" if it wasn't for us who bought the original Nook Color, we paid to help B&N advance the product line, many of us will gladly pay again because we liked our NC so much, we are not victims, we applaud B&N's effort and hope it makes even more improvements.

I am part of yocalif's "we": WE [proud NC owners for 1 - 11 months] are not victims; we applaud B&N's effort and hope it makes even more improvements.

I, myself, am in the 4 month owner group. I thought about waiting for the NC2. I'm glad I didn't: I have and do thoroughly enjoy my NC.

does anyone else who bought a Nook Color feel just a little ripped off, Barnes and Noble do what should of been done in the first place and open the Nook Color platform to be used as a tablet.

Seems to me that the Tablet, is a Nook Color being run without restrictions, and in a slightly different colored housing. Why would any Nook Color owner be excited by the tablet, we are being ripped off, the color is capable of the same as the tablet if they upgraded the software....in fact BN shouldn't release a new product the should of upgraded all nook colors, but then it wouldn't of been a big press announcement coming right after the kindle fire.

Remember when apple dropped the price of I-phones, and everyone complained, this seems not te same but similar, I spent 249 bucks on my nook color, and less than six months later it is replaced because of BN poor strategy, the could of released the tablet instead of the Nook Color a yr ago.

Don't be fooled people, if you are a current owner of a nook color, you and I are being RIPPED OFF !!!!!

Everyone should mail and complain to BN management.

You shouldn't feel ripped off. This is simply how technology works not just Barnes and Noble. I just purchased an iPhone 4s and I already know that a new one will come out next year and at that point the 4s will be priced lower. I purchased a Nook 1st Edition and not even a year later the Nook Simple Touch came out. Saying that they could have released a tablet a year ago instead of a color is like saying that they should have made the Simple Touch instead of the 1st edition.

>>I really like the idea that they have come out with a Tablet to go head to head with Kindle. I hope this keeps BN on the map...so we get even more for our NC!!!!!!<<

Excellent point. Personally, I think with a dual booted NC, I've hit the sweet spot. What's important to me now is not to get something newer and hotter, but to hope the B&N remains viable so that the books we've bought for our books remain accessible to us even after our current hardware wears out.

I always thought the nook color was a tablet, just oprimized for reading over internet surfing. The new nook coming out has more storage but do we really need it? the current nook already holds more books than we possibly can read in a lifetime

You always have to consider what fits you in the moment and is worth it price-wise. Many people opt for DTB versions as being the best bang for their buck and they are right. Many people opt for digital everything as being the best bang for their buck and they are right. Tomorrow it may be that we will all have instant access to almost every bit of content ever created by man in a micro-chip embedded in our skulls for 100 million dollars. That might seem like it's the bestest thing ever, but are you going to wait for it, can you afford to buy it, and would you really want to or need to have it? Especially when a year later they will have made it available in more colors and will include all Sweatin' to the Oldies videos at no extra charge.

For me, the thing is I tend to buy what is right for me at the time I buy it and when I can afford to do so. Within the time I have owned ereaders I have begun to become spoiled. I play video games and sometimes get the guides that go with them. I recently got one that has a horrible index so I can never find anything. I really want it in an ebook so it could be searchable. So, the fact that many of the other technical books that I own (mostly on learning software) are now searchable and readable on my NC is a big plus for me and I've been able to do this for about a year now on it.

I could understand feeling frustrated if I bought a NC over the weekend, and then the new weeks starts, B&N makes their NT announcement, and the device I just bought dropped $50 in price. But, being that I was still in the refund/return window, that's a non-issue. Three weeks earlier, maybe frustrated.

I bought my Nook Color in September. Honestly one of my favorite purchases in years. I love this thing. Of course, I bought mine refurbished. I had a strong feeling what happened this month was going to happen. Had B&N not sold refurbished devices, I would have waited before paying $249 for an almost year old design.

I'm amazed at how people buy stuff without doing their homework, though. A new version of the Nook Color should have been expected right before Thanksgiving. Cars, bicycles, DSLRs, etc. are on a cycle of offering a new model a year, traditionally. People knew Amazon was about to release word of their tablet. People should have expected B&N to answer with a new one of their own. Do a little educating and you should be able to predict things like this. Talk of the newer Nook Color has been floating around for months. Many people just buy stuff without researching. Go on eBay and daily you will see folks bidding on a used Nook for more money than you can buy a refurbished one from B&N with a one year warranty. Duh!

The new 1.4 update will really make an improvement to our NCs, I think. It's not like B&N is pooping on us NC owners. If I were Nook shopping TODAY, I would still buy the NC instead of the NT. So, nope, I don't feel cheated at all.

Thats life, you buy a car and 1 year later there might be a new one same model, but it has all sorts of new doo-dads thats doesn't mean you got ripped off, you bought what was available at time, same with computers, TV and just about anything we buy these days.

The difference when looking at the specs side by side is negligible, certainly not enough to warrant coming unglued over or running out and buy a Nook Tablet when you already have a working Nook Color. I believe it is simple as asking yourself if you really need the limited extras of the Nook Tablet versus your Nook Color or if you just want the shiniest new thing.

A flaw in the Car logic and to a lesser extent the usual electronic arguments is that B&N did not advertise that the Nook Tablet was eminent.

My only reason for feeling cheated is not because a new device was made, I am grateful that continued development on the product line is being done. My issue is that less than two months ago with all the information B&N allowed the public to have I bought the device that best suited my needs. Which was rendered inadequate a few short weeks later. If my NC was 4, 6, 12 months old. I would be happy about the Tablet. I view the company's decision to withhold information about the Tablet, as fraud. And not the fact that they release a new product.

In fact I agree wholeheartedly with those of you who content that people who have had their devices for months should not be upset.

A flaw in the Car logic and to a lesser extent the usual electronic arguments is that B&N did not advertise that the Nook Tablet was eminent.

My only reason for feeling cheated is not because a new device was made, I am grateful that continued development on the product line is being done. My issue is that less than two months ago with all the information B&N allowed the public to have I bought the device that best suited my needs. Which was rendered inadequate a few short weeks later. If my NC was 4, 6, 12 months old. I would be happy about the Tablet. I view the company's decision to withhold information about the Tablet, as fraud. And not the fact that they release a new product.

In fact I agree wholeheartedly with those of you who content that people who have had their devices for months should not be upset.

Next time any company begins working on a new product, they are hereby ordered to inform you in writing in case you have or are about to purchase any new device....happy now?

A flaw in the Car logic and to a lesser extent the usual electronic arguments is that B&N did not advertise that the Nook Tablet was eminent.

My only reason for feeling cheated is not because a new device was made, I am grateful that continued development on the product line is being done. My issue is that less than two months ago with all the information B&N allowed the public to have I bought the device that best suited my needs. Which was rendered inadequate a few short weeks later. If my NC was 4, 6, 12 months old. I would be happy about the Tablet. I view the company's decision to withhold information about the Tablet, as fraud. And not the fact that they release a new product.

In fact I agree wholeheartedly with those of you who content that people who have had their devices for months should not be upset.

There is always going to be someone who bought a device just before an announcement. If they had announced it 3 months before shipping, there would be someone who bought their's 4 months ago. No matter when the announcement is made, someone is going to be upset because they "just bought" theirs.

As I said above, you don't need an annoucement to figure out when a new device is coming out. Just simple math. A new device will come out approximately every year to year and a half. New devices often come out just before Christmas. So, if it's August and the device came out ten months earlier, it's pretty easy to figure out there's probably a new one coming in the next few months. Especially when the company you're buying from has released a new device before Christmas every year since it started releasing devices.

I'm not even going to comment on what you said. Instead, I'm going to repeat back to you what you said, and see if you feel just a LITTLE bit silly about it. You said that you bought one product from a company and then, because they released another entirely-different product, without discontinuing the one you bought, you feel they've committed fraud because they didn't tell you that they were going to release another product that you might like even better.

My nook color is literally 2 months old!....if only i knew that the tablet was coming out....well it was a gift so cant blame anyone........THEY SHOULD ALLOW A TRADE IN

Welcome to the world of technology. There's always something better out tomorrow. I don't know any company that allows a trade-in if you miss the next wave, outside of, perhaps, a 30 day unconditional satisfaction guarantee which B&N has had in the past (maybe they still do). That's generous enough as it is, frankly. Look at the bright side: you've got a great color eReader and you're 50 bucks richer than if you had the NT.

Most electronics companies don't do much forward, specific pre-announcing of new product versions. If I don't think, for example, that Apple gave 2 months notice of their iPhone 4S.

I thought all parents taught their kids that life doesn't seem fair? I reckon not.

I'm feeling double ripped off. I recently purchased the NT because it was cheap and rootable. After the 1.4.1 update. They removed sideloading and root access. Which was on of the few good things about the tablet. Oh, well it their sales on tablets affecting the company not mines.

I'm feeling double ripped off. I recently purchased the NT because it was cheap and rootable. After the 1.4.1 update. They removed sideloading and root access. Which was on of the few good things about the tablet. Oh, well it their sales on tablets affecting the company not mines.

The NT can still be rooted, it's just more work now. More options are on the horizon.

I always viewed anything beyond sideloading outside of B&N's fault. Few manufacturers actually make their stuff easy to hack on purpose. The removal of app sideloading was an unecessary kick in the teeth to the community, in my opinion. Sure, disallow some apps running and voide the warranty if it's done, but don't go out of your way to unilaterally disable it.