--- Log opened Sun Sep 23 00:00:08 2007
00:08 < djgregor> w00t
00:11 < fastjay> w00t is right
00:11 < djgregor> fastjay: car sounds funnnnn!
00:11 < fastjay> yes.. i am going to die on my road trip :)
00:11 < fastjay> but there will be pictures!
00:11 < fastjay> up until i die ;)
00:11 < djgregor> please try not to, but do have fun!
00:11 < fastjay> the dealer was going to let me take the car for the weekend .. but.. it didnt work out
00:12 < fastjay> :)
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01:06 < joed> ~seen vwdude
01:06 < _sndbot> joed, I have no information about "vwdude"
01:06 * joed puts a method in djgregor's unfinished hash
02:07 < _snd> morn babes
02:10 < joed> Hay
02:10 < _sndbot> need to match the reduction-key intelligently in combination with auto-clean where it got borked I only verfied the brokeness yesterday
02:11 < _snd> joed :)
02:11 < _snd> how's trunk faring as upgrade material today
02:11 < _snd> ?
02:11 < joed> _snd: Awesomely.
02:12 < joed> I think I'm running 2 days out in production.
02:12 < joed> djgregor: keeps fixing spellingz errarz though.
02:12 < _snd> you have grammah terrarast in tha source?
02:13 < joed> Nah we go by gwwgle
02:13 < _sndbot> I've written a parser yet, until I can
02:14 < joed> I think the last of DevJam apart from my vulnscand is checked in.
02:14 < _snd> ill upgrade a small customer site and see how he fares, if that goes all swimmingly i'll do my own, which has ran 1.3.3.svn for yonks ages and never had a problem
02:14 < joed> We rock in terms of CPU usage.
02:14 < _snd> i dont have voulnerabilities so thats not an issue
02:14 < joed> I think the Syslogd greatly improved :)
02:14 < _snd> :)
02:15 < joed> SmokePing ricks
02:15 < joed> rocks
02:15 < _snd> im only at 700isj services on my big machine so its runs nicely
02:15 < joed> and then the collections fixes are just night and day in terms of load.
02:15 < _snd> i am thinking of throwing in the towel and paying for jira tho
02:15 < joed> Oh, :) I wrote a Jira plugin.
02:15 < _snd> i know ;)
02:15 < _snd> thats what swayed me into forking over money
02:16 < _snd> just need to get some billing done today :]
02:16 < joed> No, I'd happily say, I do not think we have been this good in quite a while.
02:16 < _snd> i've put down a new recond on how mcuh is too much travel, last night my regular thai place called me to see if i was well, they've missed me for three and a half weeks :)
02:17 < joed> agalue put in his fixes and are looking at more complex thresholds I think.
02:17 < joed> Haha
02:17 < joed> My family is beginning to detest this 2weeks home 2 weeks gone.
02:17 < _snd> so now we have an agreement that i notify them of extended travel, as there si some stuff they only stock for dished that they make me off the menu :p
02:17 < _snd> that can be a bugger yeah
02:18 < joed> Well, it is okay for my wife I guess, but for my daughter it is a long time.
02:18 < _snd> yeah
02:18 < _snd> arent they coming after you?
02:18 < _snd> that's bad english
02:18 < _snd> arent they moving up with you soon
02:18 < _snd> thats better english
02:19 < joed> Well, we still haven't sold the house.
02:19 < joed> So I travel back and forth.
02:19 < _snd> ah
02:19 < _snd> guess house sales isnt that hot over there these days?
02:20 < joed> Nah, it went to shit.
02:20 < joed> and we do not have the cheapest house in the world.
02:20 < _snd> i got stuck in that position when i left scotland in '00
02:20 < joed> So most new families are hard on getting the cash up.
02:21 < _snd> nothign fancy, but a 45k gbp apartment in one of very few new developements in that part of town, and two days before i wanted to sell the shipyard next door folded and left 300 families high and dry that was looking to seel quick and move to other ship building towns
02:21 < joed> Heh.
02:21 < _snd> i just packed what i needed and closed the door
02:21 < joed> This is more selling in Philly.
02:22 < joed> Where a trailer == 100k USD
02:22 < _snd> ouch
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02:22 < _snd> i live in a brand new house here i norway now, have the basement apartment, 95ish sq meter on my own and i'm happy as a clam
02:22 < joed> In this area you do not find a 4 bedroom home in an area you want to live in below $300k
02:23 < joed> Heh, ours is more like 350-400m2 I think.
02:23 < _snd> houses in norway arent cheap either but its pretty much considered investment and rarely looses value, not even now with things going ape, so as long as the property isnt bad it still has fair value
02:23 < joed> Well, same here, just takes more time.
02:24 < _snd> spoke to the owner last night, theyre a young family and wondered how close they are to a squeeze with the intetrest going up a few notches in the coming months, and we figured if it got bad i'd buy him out and rent to him :p
02:24 < joed> Good for you.
02:24 < joed> I've had to say no to one offer.
02:25 < joed> Poor soul wanted the house and all, I just looked at his plan and .... Dude, you cannot afford this.
02:25 < joed> Wife did not like that though. But I felt bad.
02:26 < _snd> its kinda silly with banks here, theyre a young family with two ids and all the costs and stress, they get housing loans thrown after them for cheap, i'm a sole contractor and turn over close to 600ish k usd/yr and not worth a single house loan
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02:28 < joed> Well, it is a credit matter.
02:28 < _snd> i know
02:28 < joed> Buy a 50k condo, you'll get those offers.
02:28 < _snd> no :)
02:29 < _snd> my problem is that the banks here would like me to get wife and kids, that aparently figures high in the credit scoring used
02:29 < joed> It never ceases to amaze me how you generate revenue.
02:29 < _snd> i've had my share of lucky breaks and tend to float well on not being overly geek and be able to speakto people about biusiness, not technology
02:30 < _snd> pluss i work in some strange shit from time to time, and if theres not competition then times are good
02:30 < joed> Those numbers outperform your average consultant at about 500%
02:30 < _snd> im at about 300% of what is considered fair turnover for a consultant here
02:31 < joed> Well, given taxes yes.
02:31 < _snd> its taken hard work, but i now have a fair basic schemes that just turn over th emoney to run the show, and that feers up enegy to go after sweet deals :)
02:31 < joed> I dunno, I make a fair living, can write code and we live well :)
02:31 < _snd> my typing is under par today, even for being me
02:32 < _snd> my holy grail has become what i'm seeing on the horizon now, with the new project in singapore, i'm likely to get rid of my need tobe 24/7 available
02:32 < _snd> and that, combined that ive built a shop that pays its own and my own basic costs with some to spare, thats my life saver :)
02:33 < _snd> i'm not likely to want to bill as much next year, i wanna get a life next :]
02:33 < joed> Yeah.
02:33 < joed> I kinda like the (And Yeah it sounds lazy)
02:33 < joed> Going to soccer practice, grilling, not thinking etc.
02:34 < joed> Moving from the Big Corp to this - I'm working a hell of a lot more.
02:34 < joed> but I have enough stocks here that if this actually pans out, I will not have to work at all.
02:34 < _snd> :)
02:34 < joed> We shall see as the blind man said.
02:35 < _snd> hehe
02:35 < _snd> hellen keller records? ;)
02:36 < _snd> now, downloading jira and getting in to play in tomcat, wonder how much of a bad idea that can be?
02:36 < joed> Oh, old swedish saying.
02:36 < joed> So so, works just as well in Jetty.
02:36 < joed> I have a JiraBot/IRC if you need it.
02:36 < _snd> i have tomcat for a few other items and that there openmmns or whatever its named ;)
02:37 < _snd> need to get the basics going and move into it, at current load that's a few weeks
02:37 < joed> and I'm working on moving mules xmpp to handle Jira and Openfire
02:37 < joed> What are you using now?
02:38 < _snd> double clikcing a timeslot in outlook and typing a shot note ;)
02:38 < _snd> once in a while dragnet the couple of prior weeks worth of them and reshuffle
02:38 < _snd> i dont need *any* lecturing on how bad that is :)
02:38 < joed> Oh.....
02:38 < joed> Well, I think you could export the calendar
02:39 < _snd> it's only a few dozen items so i'll have a quick session in working it into jira
02:48 < _snd> one trunk built, now to a few customer machines with it
02:53 < joed> Cool!
02:57 < _snd> lets pray the db changes goes smooth :)
03:19 < trygvis> it is correct that pollerd and collectd always will poll the primary interface?
03:21 < joed> I do think so yes.
03:21 < joed> Unless on services not having a 'primary' interface.
03:22 < trygvis> can I control which interface that is marked as the primary interface?
03:22 < joed> Yeah, manage/unmanage
03:23 < joed> You can remove if you have large routers say most of the interfaces.
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03:28 < _snd> removing isnt smart? they'll just all come back next time you run discovery, wont they?
03:29 < joed> Nah, set them to unmanaged.
03:31 < _snd> k
03:31 < _snd> unmanage and then delete?
03:33 < joed> No, just unmanage.
03:33 < joed> Don't delete them.
03:33 < _snd> k
03:34 < _snd> is opennms and pgsql 8.1 an issue anymore?
03:34 < joed> Nope.
03:34 < _snd> k
03:34 < _snd> ill remove some maskin here and there then
03:34 < _snd> jdk 1.6?
03:35 < joed> Sure.
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03:37 < _snd> even less masking
03:38 < _snd> tomcat 6?
03:38 < _snd> me thinks not?
03:38 < joed> Dunno, might work.
03:38 < joed> Actually - no clue.
03:39 < _snd> ill keep that masked off then
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03:57 < _snd> brb boot
04:07 < _snd> b
04:19 < trygvis> is it possible to run opennms behind mod_proxy?
04:19 < trygvis> it seems to be redirecting to the real host on every request
04:25 < _snd> run it using mod_jk, very clean and simple
04:25 < _snd> mod_proxy would give you various issues i think
04:26 < trygvis> ok
04:26 < _snd> two sec ill give you my vhost file and jk-workers
04:27 < _snd> http://pastebin.ca/707776
04:27 < _snd> thats the vhost file for apache
04:28 < _snd> http://pastebin.ca/707777
04:28 < _snd> and the jk-workers.properties file for mod_jk
04:28 < _snd> then you can use the vhost file to name it whatever you like
04:29 < _snd> watcher is my name for the worker, so substitute what you like in either file
04:45 < trygvis> thanks, got it working
04:45 < trygvis> I ended up using mod_proxy_ajp instead though
04:46 < _snd> apache 2.2?
04:46 < trygvis> yep
04:47 < _snd> ah, havent ran on 2.2 yet here, but something in the back of my head says that is the same
04:47 < _snd> upgrading to 2.2 as we speak actually
04:47 < trygvis> oh, mod_jk work just fine, but ajp is a tad easier as it is budled with apache
04:48 < trygvis> all I needed was to replace http with ajp in the ProxyPass line
04:48 < trygvis> ProxyPass /opennms ajp://10.0.0.113:8009/opennms
04:48 < _sndbot> I'll have to do something real with onms.
04:49 < trygvis> another thing I was wondering about, why are all the lines two pixels wide. it looks pretty odd to me
04:54 < _snd> isnt that the same code from mod_jk folded into the proxy module tough?
04:55 < trygvis> it is
05:37 * _snd hates gentoo a littel today
05:37 < _snd> little, even
05:38 < trygvis> yay solaris :D
05:38 < _snd> now, thats hate in a different league, i'll stick to gentoo then ;9
05:38 < _snd> ;)
05:53 < _snd> brb
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07:17 < _snd> b
07:53 < _snd> joed?
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08:39 < _snd> mhuot :)
08:39 < mhuot> _snd!
08:39 < _snd> how's stuff'n'life?
08:40 < mhuot> Not bad I think.
08:40 < _snd> hehe k
08:41 * _snd has house chores day, i'm ironing a years supply of shirts it feels like
08:41 < mhuot> lol
08:41 < _snd> ...and back to the iron :p
08:41 < _snd> bbl
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10:30 < _snd> jeef :)
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10:35 < joed> _snd?
10:38 < _snd> coed :)
10:38 < _snd> i still got these events on data being queued to write and escalation, etc
10:38 < fastjay> morning
10:39 < joed> Oh, they are good I think :)
10:39 < _snd> bugaboo 2013
10:39 < _snd> f-j :)
10:42 < fastjay> yoh ho ho
10:42 < _snd> :)
10:42 < fastjay> i realllly need to do ALOT of house work
10:45 * _snd has done ALOT of it today
10:45 < fastjay> i am throwing out a BUNCH of stuff
10:45 < fastjay> power cables patch cords.. all sorts of junk
10:45 * _snd has just moved and has nothing to throw out :)
10:45 < fastjay> a huge pile of books i never use
10:46 < fastjay> i am in the process of moving
10:46 < fastjay> 3000 miles :)
11:02 < machpo> where to?
11:02 < fastjay> sfo
11:02 < machpo> nice, my 2nd fav city in the us
11:02 < fastjay> whats your first?
11:02 < machpo> nyc
11:02 < machpo> (where i live)
11:02 < fastjay> ahh
11:03 < fastjay> my fav city (so far) in north america.. is TO
11:03 < fastjay> i need to try and wedge a trip up there in before i move
11:03 < fastjay> though airfare isnt that bad
11:03 < machpo> ya, toronto's a nice fun city too
11:04 < fastjay> yeah... its 3 hours from me now so its a fun drive
11:04 < fastjay> now that i am getting rid of my car and getting a new one.. i am not so worried about ging up and having my engine explode
11:04 < fastjay> :)
11:05 < machpo> you live in western ny or something?
11:05 < fastjay> yup
11:05 < machpo> ahh, lived in buff for 10 years before i moved down to ny
11:05 < fastjay> i am in roch
11:05 < fastjay> i moved back here for all the wrong reasons :)
11:06 < machpo> not a bad area either (unless you want lots of tech job choices)
11:06 < fastjay> oh i almost got a cottage on the salmon river in mexico but then deciced to move to cali for a bit
11:06 < fastjay> i'll be back
11:06 < fastjay> but i need to change the scenery now..
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11:14 < djgregor> w00t
11:14 < djgregor> fastjay: you need to get rid of any RAM? :-P
11:23 < fastjay> hehe.. don't know if i have any spare ram
11:23 < fastjay> i have a server i don't really feel like moving but
11:23 < fastjay> i was considering peiceing it out and sell it but
11:23 < fastjay> my friend might want it to do some Xen shit on
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15:00 < trygvis> hm, opennms seems to regulary run out of memory
15:02 < djgregor> trygvis: how much memory do you have?
15:02 < djgregor> trygvis: how many nodes and interfaces are you monitoring and what kind of disk configuration is on your system?
15:03 < trygvis> 12 nodes, 16 interfaces
15:03 < trygvis> how is my disc configuration related to the jvm running out of memory?
15:05 < trygvis> seems to be a truckload of these kind of threads: http://rafb.net/p/ie0qIJ63.html
15:06 < trygvis> 9916 of them to exact
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15:19 < djgregor> trygvis: what version of OpenNMS?
15:19 < djgregor> trygvis: OpenNMS has an RRD write cache built-in, which is usually the culprit when people run out of RAM in the JVM, but you have to be monitoring more nodes to get that, usually
15:19 < djgregor> hence the disk question
15:21 < djgregor> brozow: I'm working on the dev-jam merge. :-)
15:21 < djgregor> Right now, I'm not merging any GWT, map, or REST stuff
15:28 < trygvis> 1.3.6
15:30 < djgregor> give 1.3.7 a try, I think there was a problem that was fixed with regards to what you are seeing
15:30 < trygvis> ok, I'll do that
15:35 < brozow> djgregor: ok... I think the GWT stuff should merge safely...
15:35 < djgregor> brozow: does that include mhuot's resourcecompleter?
15:35 < brozow> hmm... not sure about that actually
15:36 < djgregor> I'll give it a try once I get the other little bits committed and happy
15:36 < djgregor> I just pulled in revision 7256, which is the castor 1.1.2.1 upgrade
15:36 < brozow> ok cool.. I know that GWT map generates into a subdir so it won't conflict
15:37 < djgregor> I'm going to wait until cruisecontrol is happy before I do any more at this point. :-)
15:37 < djgregor> Ah
15:37 < djgregor> So, should it be safe to pull in map stuff?
15:37 < brozow> well.. the GWT part.. I don't know about any linkd changes
15:37 < djgregor> If you're not sure, I'll send out a list of what I didn't commit to see if any of it should be pulled over.
15:38 < brozow> ok
15:38 < djgregor> ah, okay
15:38 < djgregor> yeah, i saw that linkd was refactored
15:38 < djgregor> speaking of daemons, how's the spring daemon stuff going?
15:39 < djgregor> Oh: one warning: for your customers that build importer files outside of OpenNMS, make sure that they validate against the XSD before they upgrade to a current version of trunk
15:40 < brozow> so so to many things I'd like to do
15:40 < brozow> hmm... well that's a concern....
15:40 < brozow> and Tarus is a swisscom this week
15:41 < djgregor> There's a test case that tests config files... it would be very easy to make it test the importer XML file and just throw some of their files at it
15:41 < djgregor> WillItUnmarshallTest
15:41 < brozow> ok
15:41 < brozow> WillIfFloat
15:42 < djgregor> WillItBlend. :-)
15:42 < brozow> heh
15:42 < djgregor> So many great WillItX
15:42 < djgregor> I didn't even think of will it float
15:42 < brozow> heh.. got Paul Shaeffer singing it my head righ tnow
15:43 < djgregor> - Implemented WillItUnmarshallTest test to test all default and example XML
15:43 < _sndbot> joed: is this an upgrade to a few emails with silly attachments to all your friends, seems to make .java. Stop *** Error code 2 when I log into lms, I get access denied to view
15:43 < djgregor> files, which greatly helped with the above schema validation issues.
15:43 < djgregor> This could likely be turned into a basic command-line configuration file
15:43 < djgregor> validator. w00t!
15:43 < _sndbot> ah ok.. just wondering since I am/
15:43 < _sndbot> capds-configuration.xml -- maybe?
15:43 < _sndbot> Those numbers outperform your average consultant at about 300% of what i've had my share of lucky breaks and tend to float well on not being overly geek and be done with it
15:43 < djgregor> heh, that was in my commit log for 7256
15:43 < brozow> sweet
15:44 < djgregor> the cool thing about WillItUnmarshallTest.... it has two tests at the end that fail if there are any files in opennms-daemon/src/main/filtered/etc and .../examples that weren't tested. :)
15:44 < trygvis> what's the extra "-1" on the version of the source tarball?
15:44 < djgregor> the version of the distribution
15:45 < djgregor> if we screw up the tarball, we roll another with and ++ that number
15:45 < trygvis> oki
15:46 < djgregor> time to do some dishes.... bbl
15:47 < brozow> later
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15:57 < trygvis> is it possible to build opennms in two steps? one that compile and build it and one that installs it?
16:10 < trygvis> is the opennms license included in the source tarball somewhere?
16:25 < fastjay> afternon
16:25 < fastjay> non?
16:25 < fastjay> noon
16:26 < fastjay> trygvis: yes to both your questions :)
16:26 < trygvis> oh? I couldn't find the license
16:27 < fastjay> it should be there
16:27 < fastjay> in the doc's or something
16:27 < fastjay> maybe i am wrong
16:30 < fastjay> man i think its nap time
16:31 < trygvis> dunno
16:31 < trygvis> duno
16:31 < fastjay> you know.. i could look
16:31 < fastjay> ;)
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16:50 < mhuot> ~weather KSTP
16:50 < _sndbot> Station ID: KSTP Wind Speed: 16.0 mph, 14.0 knots Visibility: 10.0 mile(s) Pressure: 29.95 in Hg Temperature: 30.0 C, 86.0 F Few clouds at 5000 feet
16:57 < djgregor> mh00t!
16:57 < djgregor> mhuot: Is the resourcecompleter good to merge into trunk (all or some)?
16:58 < mhuot> djgregor: Since it is a separate page that you have to navigate directly to, I think it is "good to merge"
16:58 < mhuot> The other part of it, and a requirement for it, was the upgrade for GWT
16:59 < djgregor> okay, I think brozow said that was good to go
17:01 < mhuot> I hope so :-)
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18:39 < djgregor> can anyone kick cruisecontrol? it seems to no workie
19:15 < fastjay> i keep finding more and more random serial adapters
19:15 < fastjay> anyone need any?
19:15 < fastjay> i have about 300 ones that work w/ sun & cisco iircd
19:15 < fastjay> s/iircd/iirc/
19:22 < mhuot> heh
19:22 < mhuot> I thought there was something about you can never have too many
19:24 < fastjay> i am throwing them all away
19:24 < fastjay> every cable
19:24 < fastjay> everything ;)
19:24 < fastjay> i don't use them so why keep them
19:24 < chalco> you have a list together yet?
19:25 < djgregor> where list == multiple trash bags
19:25 < chalco> I wanted a crack at some of the crap
19:25 < fastjay> well not real list
19:26 < fastjay> i should just spread it out and take pics
19:27 < chalco> that'd be cool
19:28 < fastjay> infact
19:28 < fastjay> i will do that
19:28 < fastjay> hold on
19:28 < fastjay> camera is in the car
19:28 < fastjay> which i also have to clean out
19:28 < fastjay> gah
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19:29 < fastjay> anyone have an alpine six disk cd changer?
19:29 < fastjay> and want the caddies?
19:29 < chalco> but yeah, that's a lot of serial cables
19:29 * chalco doesn't even have a CD player in his car
19:31 < fastjay> maybe i'll just leave them in the car
19:31 < fastjay> *shrug*
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21:32 < chalco_lab> ~comcastic
21:33 < _sndbot> chalco_lab, comcastic is a catchy phrase for intermittent connectivity
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21:33 < chalco> actually, I can't blame comcast, Dad knocked out the power on the cable modem
21:37 < djgregor> joed: does jott use you?
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