This is why. They firmly believe that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus is going to hell. They are a bunch of ignorant bigots and anti-semites but when asked to be direct they just wont do it.

C'mon be men and say the Jews killed in the holocaust who didn't accept Jesus went to hell. All of them men, women, and children. You believe it so say it. Don't keep up your veiled bigotry.
At least the nazis and the kkk admit their bigotry.

I guess Gandi went to hell along with Sadat and Mother Theresa. (She was Catholic but I don't think that is "Christian" enough.

Roll-Yur-Own,

I already answered your question above. Did you read it. No need to bother Bigbuck.

The Bible is quite clear that those that reject Christ will go to Hell--a place where God's power and blessing is completely removed and Satan is allowed full reign at this point in time. Is that clear enough for you? From any 'race, creed, religion, etc.' like I already said. Did you read my posts replying to you already cause I haven't seen you reply back to me. I'm not saying this, the Word of God is saying this. Call me a bigot if you like. That's wonderful, Roll. That won't change the truth nor do anything to increase your understanding of this issue.

Tell me, Roll, why is it that you are fighting so vigorously against the truth of the Bible? If it really is as you say, just another religion, then why does it seem to have so much significance and angst for you? Jesus is knocking at the door to your soul, Roll, like he does at many points in all our lives giving us that chance, and Satan doesn't like that, thus the fight. Will you let Him come in? You are partaking in a vast spiritual battle. Which side will you be on?

Keep searching, but do so with an open mind. I'd be happy to mail you some resources that might deepen your understanding of true Christianity. Your mind seems to be made up, but unfortunately, it is, from my albeit limited perspective, made up upon some faulty info. What gives?

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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?" Thomas Jefferson - Notes on the State of Virginia

This is why. They firmly believe that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus is going to hell. They are a bunch of ignorant bigots and anti-semites but when asked to be direct they just wont do it.

C'mon be men and say the Jews killed in the holocaust who didn't accept Jesus went to hell. All of them men, women, and children. You believe it so say it. Don't keep up your veiled bigotry.
At least the nazis and the kkk admit their bigotry.

I guess Gandi went to hell along with Sadat and Mother Theresa. (She was Catholic but I don't think that is "Christian" enough.

Roll,

Jesus was a Jew. If he's my Savior, wouldn't it be kinda silly for me to be and anti-semite?

There's no such thing as 'Christian' enough. You are a Christian because you have voluntarily accepted the gift of God brought to us by the death of his Son, Jesus--the gift of salvation. You either are a Christian or are not a Christian by this Biblical standard. You either have accepted the gift from the one true God, the Creator of the Universe, or you are still living in rejection of that gift. There is no way to 'earn' you salvation, so there is no 'Christian enough'. God reserves the right and offers it strictly as a gift to His glory so that no one can boast that they earned salvation from the death sentance caused by our sin.

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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?" Thomas Jefferson - Notes on the State of Virginia

Brainwashing is the attempt to change the thoughts and beliefs of another person against their will. Religion is actually a form of brainwashing. (Ya, I know I just made everyone mad) It begins at a very early age. I'm not saying it's bad, it is just what it is, brainwashing! Do you think your religion is that much different than ones which we commonly refer to as "cults"? Believe me, it isn't. Yours just has more followers, that's all.

You people are arguing over beliefs, not facts. (on the wrong website) Don't confuse the two! You all are only arguing over what you believe the truth to be. Those books are interesting but they were written by people a very long time ago. Don't take them so literally and argue with every passing person who has been brainwashed to think differently than you have.

Religion is based on beliefs, not facts! I've watched people die and heard their very last words as they lay in a road ditch praying for god to help them. I've killed in self defense and I've seen people who had been killed in the name of God. This stupid friggin thread is just a bunch of arguing by people who think they know something that they don't.

Every night, I go out alone and work an area most cops refuse to. I believe in God but I still carry a 1911, Bushmaster and a Rem 870. (Oh ya, a mean dog too) I don't choose to believe that God is going to keep me alive no matter what. I still have to wear my seatbelt and my vest. I've been shot at, hit by a car and several people have tried to stab me. God didn't save me, a lot of hard work and preparation saved me. Last night I climbed through broken glass to arrest two people who were fighting with the door barricaded. I hope your comfortable and warm in your house while someone else does this for you in your area of the world while you sit there and pass judgment on some strangers beliefs.

Big Buck, get a friggin hobby. Don't try to brainwash people with your beliefs. Give up on threads like this dude. You are on the wrong website. Do you even own a gun? Leave the rest of us alone to think what we want. In the end, it's between me and God.

The rest of you, don't respond to Big Bucks BS postings and threads. Let them die! Maybe he will leave us alone to talk about guns and LRH!

I became interested in this website because I like LRH and thought it would be a great place to learn more about it. What I found was a bunch of damn sheep, arguing about whether mighty mouse can beat up superman!

There, did I offend everyone enough that they will finally let this useless thread die?

Tom

Roaddog,

You certainly didn't offend me and you bring up some interesting points of discussion.

Whether you want to believe it or not, we are all brainwashed, using the kind of logic you used. It's just a matter of what we choose to allow ourselves to be brainwashed by. That, my friend, you do have a choice in.

Aww...the old religion is brainwashing idea. Anything you allow yourself to be involved in or philosophy you adopt is 'brainwashing' in a sense, using the logic you're using.

So, since you aren't 'religious', you aren't brainwashed and so are the 'normal' among us?

Since we are talking about 'religion', what, after all, is a definition of religion? Wikipedia states, "A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency or agencies..." Huh... "A religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe..."

Do you (anyone in general) have any beliefs concering the cause, nature or purpose of the universe? If you believe in evolution as the origin for all things, for instance, then you have a religion by this definition. Certainly if you have studied the natural outflow of philosophies and beliefs that come from a consistent understanding of what evolution means, for instance, then you do. If a person doesn't understand the 'natural outflow of philosophies and beliefs that come from a consistent understanding of what evolution means', then by all means, do some studying of the issue.

If, on the other hand, you say you don't believe anything or that nothing has any purpose, well, that is also a core set of beliefs and is a 'religion' in and of itself. Humanists, in particular, (a philospophy that I would say is quickly 'brainwashing', to use roaddogs thinking, western culture--are you it allowing to 'brainwash' you?) love to say they are against religion and do not have one themsleves, yet they clearly, as a whole, retain a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature or purpose of the universe, do they not?

Do you see what I mean? No one has a choice in this matter. Everyone is 'religious', whether they want to admit it or not. They've just chosen which set of beliefs they will have.

And, yes, it does begin at a young age as we are constantly bombarded with philosophy and belief systems (religion) from the earliest of ages.

People that use this term religion in this way do so to tell you that what they have (really, their religion, if they are willing to open their minds a bit and think about it) is really better. Hmm...is that what you are saying people shouldn't do?

It's not a matter of people being religious because everyone is whether they want to accept that or not. It's a matter of making the right choices to find the one true religion that really is a right relationship with your Creator.

John 14:6 "Jesus answered, 'I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" THE way, THE truth, THE life. Not one of the ways or one of the truths. A rudimentary study of Jesus' life reveals that either he was a complete nut or he was exactly what he claimed to be...God sent to earth as a man to sacrifice himself for our sins. There is so much factual (since you like that word) evidence to back up exactly what the Bible says and it is no less the case when the issue at hand is determining the status of Jesus, his life, death and resurrection showing his power over death and power to take away our sins and restore us to a right relationship with him. What other 'religion' or belief system that any human has conjured up offers hope like that? None of them.

Again, if we 'pretend' for a moment for arguments sake, that the Satan of the Bible exists, then he won't care what religion you choose as long as you don't choose to have a right relationship with Christ. As long as you don't have a right relationship with Christ, you have a right relationship with Satan in it's place. There really are only two choices here.

BTW, I spend parts of alot of shifts working alongside police officers in various situations as a career firefighter/emt and I have the greatest respect for what you do. Thank you for what you do. Work hard at keeping safe and alert and keeping a decent attitude about the situations you deal with day in and day out. I know I have to. We both put up with alot of junk from the nasty side of peoples life.

Jon

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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?" Thomas Jefferson - Notes on the State of Virginia

Who went to hell? I have no idea I don't know their heart. Yeah I know a cop out, but last time I checked we only use around 3% of our brain capacity. Maybe when I get to heaven I will ask someone who uses 100%. I'm sure he will know he created everything in less than a week.

As far as jews go yeah they can get to heaven. Being a jew by definition is a person born from one of the twelve tribes of Israel. I am from the tribe of Levi. Being a jew has nothing to do with my faith though.

It all comes down to what is in your heart. No one can do it alone no not one.<=so I don't believe you can get to heaven without Christ.

The Jews killed in the holocaust who did not accect Jesus (probably nearly all of them) did they go to hell because they never accepted Jesus?

No long winded rhetoric because I know Jesus was a Jew just say what you think. Heaven or Hell?

It's not about what I think, it's about what the Word of God clearly says, Roll. It's not about me or you, Roll.
Folks who reject Christ will go to hell. This is now the 3rd time I've stated this to you. Is this clear?

Edit: It doesn't matter who they are. Are you trying still to paint me as someone who hates Jews? Good grief, Roll. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Jews were God's chosen people to spread his message to the rest of the world. Might not be a good idea for a Christian then to hate jews, or any particular race, creed, etc.

Some concepts can't be communicated in several words, Roll. If you call that 'long winded', fine. You might make sure you understand some of those 'long winded' concepts.

And I did not ask you to ask me a question as you state. I simply asked why you haven't responded to my posts to you. You still have not responded to my posts to you.

Wow...I'm starting to have a tough time keeping track of this back and forth with you and am losing patience as you clearly do not seem to want to have a genuine disucssion, which I would be more than happy to have. I've written plenty for you to consider and respond to. At this point, unless I see you make a genuine effort to do so, my efforts to engage you in genuine discussion are over. No particular suprise there and about what I expected from the get go.

Jon

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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God?" Thomas Jefferson - Notes on the State of Virginia

It's not about what I think, it's about what the Word of God clearly says, Roll. It's not about me or you, Roll.
Folks who reject Christ will go to hell. This is now the 3rd time I've stated this to you. Is this clear?

Not clear, coward. You hide behind your veil. You have evaded a direct answer for the 3rd time.