mikey287 wrote:He's much closer to a TK replacement than D'Agostini for those wondering. Stylistically.

That's not a bad thing. TK was a fine player when he focused on what was necessary and played to his capabilities -- which wasn't that often as his career progressed. To me, TK's strengths always were his speed, quickness, relentlessness, and in a non-agitating way, agitating. By the last one, I mean that his game of chippy hits and never-die attitude ticked off opponents -- of course, this all was dependent on him actually playing that type of game, which, again, didn't happen as often as it should have.

I don't believe the Penguins need a D'Agostini. I believe they need another TK -- but one who is consistent in his effort. On another note, D'Agostini's cheap contract makes him, in my opinion, a likely candidate to be shipped to WBS via waivers. He, along with Connor and Ebbett sound more like AHL depth than NHL'ers.

Kobasew has better hockey sense and better defense probably. I'm not sure he's as fast anymore. But he'd be a fine addition to the bottom six. You guys would like him more than Glass probably...I like him more than D'Agostini...

mikey287 wrote:Kobasew has better hockey sense and better defense probably. I'm not sure he's as fast anymore. But he'd be a fine addition to the bottom six. You guys would like him more than Glass probably...I like him more than D'Agostini...

I like anyone better than Glass. I like Kobasew because of his PK ability. I'm not a fan of Glass on the PK.

This makes a lot more sense than D'Agostini. He was a good player 5 years ago with the B's. Injuries have slowed him down though. Not a bad depth guy to have around if he fits in. I'd say he's a lot more like Fedetenko than TK.

in the category of "i know we don't NEED offense, but this is still depressing"...

in the 2011-2012 season, if you take our bottom 6 forwards (cooke, staal, tk, adams, asham, park) and extrapolate all of their individual points out to 82 games, they end up with: 209 total pointsif you take the 2012-2013 numbers for sutter, 2 out of 3 of jeffery/kobasew/d'agostini (they're all pretty similar), adams, glass and vitale and extrapolate all of their individual points out to 82 games, they end up with: 103 total points

that's an unbelievable drop - even considering that we HAD to let staal go.

shmenguin wrote:in the category of "i know we don't NEED offense, but this is still depressing"...

in the 2011-2012 season, if you take our bottom 6 forwards (cooke, staal, tk, adams, asham, park) and extrapolate all of their individual points out to 82 games, they end up with: 209 total pointsif you take the 2012-2013 numbers for sutter, 2 out of 3 of jeffery/kobasew/d'agostini (they're all pretty similar), adams, glass and vitale and extrapolate all of their individual points out to 82 games, they end up with: 103 total points

that's an unbelievable drop - even considering that we HAD to let staal go.

One positive spin on this -- and I can't crunch the numbers right now to prove it -- but the top-six forwards are deeper and less reliant on Malkin and Crosby to be successful, making them more difficult to shut down. Of course, this can be refuted by simply referencing the Boston series.

One other nit-picky note: one of Bennett or Jokinen will be on the third line, which will raise that number slightly -- not by 106 points, but by a few

Defence21 wrote:One positive spin on this -- and I can't crunch the numbers right now to prove it -- but the top-six forwards are deeper and less reliant on Malkin and Crosby to be successful, making them more difficult to shut down. Of course, this can be refuted by simply referencing the Boston series.

the top 6 is nearly identical to what it was over that last 2 seasons. this is a fuzzy experiment but...

kunitz was the only player who got significantly better (point-wise) last year. but that was offset by malkin's dip. dupuis' point production has been steady over the last 2 seasons - he was just goal heavy last year.

shmenguin wrote:in the category of "i know we don't NEED offense, but this is still depressing"...

in the 2011-2012 season, if you take our bottom 6 forwards (cooke, staal, tk, adams, asham, park) and extrapolate all of their individual points out to 82 games, they end up with: 209 total pointsif you take the 2012-2013 numbers for sutter, 2 out of 3 of jeffery/kobasew/d'agostini (they're all pretty similar), adams, glass and vitale and extrapolate all of their individual points out to 82 games, they end up with: [b]103 total that's an unbelievable drop - even considering that we HAD to let staal go.

shmenguin wrote:in the category of "i know we don't NEED offense, but this is still depressing"...

in the 2011-2012 season, if you take our bottom 6 forwards (cooke, staal, tk, adams, asham, park) and extrapolate all of their individual points out to 82 games, they end up with: 209 total pointsif you take the 2012-2013 numbers for sutter, 2 out of 3 of jeffery/kobasew/d'agostini (they're all pretty similar), adams, glass and vitale and extrapolate all of their individual points out to 82 games, they end up with: [b]103 total that's an unbelievable drop - even considering that we HAD to let staal go.

You'll never get over this staal thing

depends on what happens with pouliot.

but for the bazillionth time, i understand that staal wasn't re-signing here after his contract ran out no matter what. this disparity, however, goes beyond just losing a good center.