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L192 is right next to L193, so L192.1+ was probably recognized when Ash had the L193 test done; since he didn't actually order L192, it wouldn't show in his results.

Thanks for turning this up. I had no idea this was in a L513. I have many of the L513+ in the L513 Combo project, including fN11793 Ash. He fits into a variety I call 513-1113-C-1 with a Gittens and a whole bunch of Fletcher folks.

L192.1 seems to be negative in other L513 people but his closest group has not tested.

Thanks for turning this up. I had no idea this was in a L513. I have many of the L513+ in the L513 Combo project, including fN11793 Ash. He fits into a variety I call 513-1113-C-1 with a Gittens and a whole bunch of Fletcher folks.

L192.1 seems to be negative in other L513 people but his closest group has not tested.

Thomas Krahn's draft tree also has L9/L10 and L577 downstream of L513. Has anyone in Ash's cluster tested for those?

Thanks for turning this up. I had no idea this was in a L513. I have many of the L513+ in the L513 Combo project, including fN11793 Ash. He fits into a variety I call 513-1113-C-1 with a Gittens and a whole bunch of Fletcher folks.

L192.1 seems to be negative in other L513 people but his closest group has not tested.

Thomas Krahn's draft tree also has L9/L10 and L577 downstream of L513. Has anyone in Ash's cluster tested for those?

Finally! It feels like a million years have passed since I recommended DF13 for them and hoped for a negative result. Waiting for these results is really boring, but it is great to see them come back as predicted (thanks, Mike!).

Finally! It feels like a million years have passed since I recommended DF13 for them and hoped for a negative result. Waiting for these results is really boring, but it is great to see them come back as predicted (thanks, Mike!).

-Kai

Kai, kudos on the great job you have done on driving the DF63 testing!

Kai, kudos on the great job you have done on driving the DF63 testing!

--david

Thanks David! With all the great tools that are available, it is nothing but joy. And as the first step is testing for DF13, it easy to recruit people. It is the only SNP I know of where both a positive and a negative result is a good thing.

Fantastic! Mike's variety 1415 was predicted DF63 in Alex's previous NJ tree, that's why I contacted McFarland/the MacFarlane DNA project and suggested DF13. That tree combined with Mike's data is incredibly valuable as a research tool. I'll contact them and suggest DF63 testing. Their closest on the current tree is f_147885 Laumenech R-L21 [zzL21unassigned] France. I'll have a look in the spreadsheets to see if he's a plausible DF13- candidate.

N76446 McFarland has ordered DF63. I've also contacted 147885 Laumenech and suggested he finds out his DF13 status. Mike has him in a variety that is DF13+ (variety 1424), but in my eyes, he might as well be a distant relative of variety X13-1415. Only testing will tell.

Edit: From what I know, McFarland is the first DF13- from Northern Ireland, and Schaefer is the first from Germany.

Is McFarland a version of MacFarlane, as in Clan MacFarlane? Which claims descent from the original Earls of Lennox descending from an Anglo-Saxon but maybe now thought that the original Earls of Lennox were of Gaelic descent?

Is McFarland a version of MacFarlane, as in Clan MacFarlane? Which claims descent from the original Earls of Lennox descending from an Anglo-Saxon but maybe now thought that the original Earls of Lennox were of Gaelic descent?

Since we are seeing the L21* guys mostly in England it may be carried into the area by Anglo-Saxons's?

MJost

That would be very hard to make sense of indeed. There was a parallel L21XDF13 line in France that is hugely more common than L21XDf13 in England per head tested. I would suggest Normans are the most likely source of L21* in England.

Since we are seeing the L21* guys mostly in England it may be carried into the area by Anglo-Saxons's?

MJost

That would be very hard to make sense of indeed. There was a parallel L21XDF13 line in France that is hugely more common than L21XDf13 in England per head tested. I would suggest Normans are the most likely source of L21* in England.

Ok, I just rechecked to make sure what I am seeing.

Of the L21 guys who have tested negative for DF13 and DF63 there are five English, one French and the other unknown for eight total.

The DF63+ are four English and four Scots, two French, one Spain, with two Franklins and one Chavez with unknown origin.

So it seems the current crop is tilting majority to the isles on both L21* and DF63+ but you are probably correct that this could have been a serious Norman movement.

Alll the McFarlanes that are YCAII=18,23 look to be what I call X13-1415, a L21+ DF13- variety. There were also some M222 suspects to go with a Scots modal suspect. I added all the 67 STR people that fit into the L21 file.