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Health-care, which only cares about your disease, spend $400,000 (of someone else's money) on a dying man; but cares nothing about clean drinking water, in fact, promotes putting rat-poison in it, never says anything about artificial colours, artificial flavours, hormones, and all other un-natural additives in our food. [Last Sunday in Toronto there was a demonstration in front of the hospitals (there are a bunch of them together) and the parliament building (which is next to them) demanding more money. Not one sign demanded less additives or lower population density in this city. Obviously the aim is the maintenance of a (and many) problem, not its solution.]

sablefish

12-01-2004, 09:22 PM

Right on .. 789.. That's the problem.. spending 400K of public money to keep some dead dog alive.. Why don't we want to accept death as a natural part of the human life cycle.. Instead.. The state forces taxpayers to pay "doctors" to keep fossiles alive.. and I am 60 years old... Let us die of old age and in dignity without forcing our children or the taxpayers to keep us as vegetables in a acoma ward, and keep us alive with artificial hearts and lungs.. Hell.. Just let us die in peace with our loved ones around us.

psholtz

12-02-2004, 03:28 AM

I'm thinking that Trilateralism (as per Orwell's 1984, and more recently, David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission), is (perhaps) the "End Goal" of the NWO:

And just what is wrong with these socialist programs as you call them?.
Their weaker members of society that need those kind of services to survive because they are either to old to work incapitated or redundant due to skills or eduation shortage.
Your Response seems callous and selfish.
In my view these kind of individualistic views only play into the hands of the illuminati not the the other way round.

If you wish to make this some kind of left right ideological debate then i would point out that Hitler was nothing but Illuminati stooge as much as Stalin or anyone else in on the Left in world history!.GWB is nothing but an economic libertarian to a degree and look how much he plays into the NWO agenda!.

Further why is that you feel you are self sufficient!.
No one is self sufficent so dont delude yourself, self employed business people are interacting with the NWO more than others.
After all what is the NWO but an Economic system it is cetainly not a common society for anyone (except for media and corporate monopoly) as such because we all live pluralist individualist lives to some extent!.
Its cultural values may seem liberal to left wing I agree however, the Economic libertarians and Free traders of this world have no problem with those values either, do they?

Your Self interest reminds me of some kind of Economic libertarian but your views will only lead you right to the heart of the NWO!.

:-?

789

12-08-2004, 09:00 PM

>>And just what is wrong with these socialist programs as you call them?.

They are theft. The cancer is not some special kind of cell. It is just one that adopted the life-style of the parasite. It received the wrong information. In stead of learning to be productive, to provide for itself, etc., it learned that all it has to do is eat and grow, eat and grow, (even invented the philosophy of entitlement to the products of other people's work) untill it kills the normal cells around it, and the body dies.
The parasite always kills the host !

If you are a socialist, what is your objection to the marxist world republic ? Not enough welfare ? You dreamed of different kind of marxism, and now you are disappointed ?

The same people who brought to you all these socialist programs are bringing you the new world order, which is a political entity.

Socialism = a system in which society (by state force) takes care of responsiblities which are the duties of the individual. Such as feeding yourself, your wife, your children;
clothing yourself and your children, wife;
housing yourself, your wife and your children;
raising your children, paying for their education;
taking care of your health and paying for it;
taking care of your elderly parents;
etc.

Responsibilities of society
widows, orphans, fatherless

___________________________
Since you brought up the "Illuminati", could you point me to some original source regarding that outfit ?

Ozziecynic

12-09-2004, 05:44 AM

:-x They are theft. The cancer is not some special kind of cell. It is just one that adopted the life-style of the parasite. It received the wrong information. In stead of learning to be productive, to provide for itself, etc., it learned that all it has to do is eat and grow, eat and grow, (even invented the philosophy of entitlement to the products of other people's work) untill it kills the normal cells around it, and the body dies.

Frankly your Attitude disgusts me!
You label those weaker than yourself e.g like the elderly and those that cant find a job as parasites and equal with animals.
You and your mate sablefish also advocate genocide or compulsary euthanasia to solve the welfare problem.The kind ideas Mengel Himmler and Hitler would have been proud of. I suppose next post you will be you advocating eugenics for the master race!:-x

If you are a socialist, what is your objection to the marxist world republic ? Not enough welfare ? You dreamed of different kind of marxism, and now you are disappointed ?

Your over simplification of anyone that opposes you astounds me!.You obviously have no idea about ideology otherwise you would realise there are several forms of socialism of which Marxism is just one.

To label anyone that disagrees with your Redneck peabrain views a Marxist is absurd!
That means you may possibly be at odds with Henry Makow himself because he has claimed to agree with Lyndon Larouche a type of socialist because he advocates a Mixed capitalist economy!.

I know because i have had much to do with the La rouche movement here in Australia and happen to know exactly what their policies are!.
Further your completely deluded and reactionary in claiming there is some kind of Marxist world state in planning.
There maybe a world state in the future but there is no way by following facts and evidence of recent decades that the type of Economic system will be anything close to socialism.
What is emerging in the world today will be anything but Leftwing. On the contrary it is more likely to be Economic libertarian type technocracy and therefore Rightwing by definition.

So far as I am concerned the u.s administration already does the one world state administration function perfectly especially with their imperialist wars all over the Globe for the sake of their already bloated economy!.
Even without the U.N they behave in this manner. U.N or no U.N the U.S has always been pushing for world government!Wakeup and get your deluded facts straight!

Perhaps it is you that is in the wrong forum.
I think Stormfront whitepride worldwide would be more to your liking and limited intellect!
Here i will do you a favour and link it for you!
http://www.stormfront.org/

Socialism = a system in which society (by state force) takes care of responsiblities which are the duties of the individual. Such as feeding yourself, your wife, your children;

As for this i agree but everyone has to have the oppertunity to participate in it not a minority.
At the present time not one western nation (third world things are even worse) has close to full employment.
Neither does business big or samll seem to be encouraging the conditions for full employment after they are interested in mortgages and Interest Rates and Inflation so why would they have more people employed than absolutely necessary.
The truth is they dont want full employment or secure employment.Although stats agencies both private and public are good at fudging unemployment figures to pretend they are creating more jobs Australia is good example!.Once again you are deluded wake and get your facts straight then debate me!

One thing is for sure you are not on my side over anything! It just goes to show one how wrong they can be about a forum and thinking that views about the NWO are anyhting close to their own!.
I think you are part of the diease and not part of the solution to my mind you are trolling here for troublemaking!.

btw: You have yet to answer the question in my initial post as to why you believe you are self sufficient of which you are plain deluded:-x

sablefish

12-09-2004, 11:46 AM

Ozziecynic.. I don't advocate genocide or compulsary euthanasia.. You are using a very broad brush.

789

12-09-2004, 05:47 PM

Ozziecynic

>>You obviously have no idea about ideology otherwise you would realise there are several forms of socialism of which Marxism is just one.

Wrong again, honey, wrong again.
Socialism is part of marxism, not the other way around. (You need to refresh yourself on your "Das Kapital") Like it or not, marxism with its socialism, materialism and internationalism (no God, no nation, no individual) is the philosophy of the parasite.

>>Frankly your Attitude disgusts me !
What is digusting is when you reach into somebody else's pocket to pay for your wants and need and desires; taking away their earnings from those who produced useful goods and services, and giving it to those who did nothing for it, but held out their hands. And, to add insult to injury, come up with this idea of entitlement.

>>Perhaps it is you that is in the wrong forum.
Because I am opposed to the fullfilment of the marxist dream (and all for which it stands), I should be off an anti-NWO forum ? How liberal of you; don't like the message so chase away the messanger. And, I never said you shouldn't be here, I just expressed my surprise that being a socialist (therefore proponent of NWO which brought you socialism) you object to the realization of this pillar of marxism.
Your world government horse came in and now you don't like it. Perhaps, you should have bet on a republican or nationalist or monarchist horse.

>>btw: You have yet to answer the question in my initial post
Had you read my initial post you would have noticed that I said nothing of myself.
Self-sufficiency is when one lives and prospers by the work of his own hands, not by somebody else's hand; and is allowed to keep his earnings in stead of half of it being confiscated by the enemies of the poor and the working class, and given to freeloaders.

>>Your over simplification
Typical marxist remark. It is not simplification (it is distillation, if anything), I just call things as they are; a spade a spade.

So far you have shown yourself the friend of the nwo and its workings, so enlighten us, what is _your_ objection to the final stage of societal evolution ? Because in spite of your not wanting to recognize it, that is what is happening, and not spontaneously, but by design.

As for Mr. LaRouche. What is his problem with the world republic ? that he is not in on it ? He idolizes Roosevelt, the war-monger, proponent and implementor of big (brother) government, over-regulaton, large bureaucracy, etc. The United States of Europe has all that, and the United States of (all) America will have that.

PS
As you should know, leftwing and rightwing are the two sides of the same coin. Opponents of the NWO would like a different coin. Your lack of knowledge doesn't make me, or anyone else, anything.

Ozziecynic

12-10-2004, 12:48 AM

:-o Wrong again, honey, wrong again.

No I dont believe I am

Socialism is part of marxism, not the other way around. (You need to refresh yourself on your "Das Kapital") Like it or not, marxism with its socialism, materialism.

For the second time although I dont know if I should bother repeating myself.
Government intervention in capitalism does not automatically equal Marxist Socialism!.
You are making a huge uneducated leap by claiming all government intervention equals marxism.However you are so naive that I am sure nothing i state here will make you understand my point so enough said!.

Like it or not all western civilisation and ideologies is based on materialism not just Marxism!.
Marxism like liberalism and all other ISMS had their birth in the Enlightenment they are all a product of enlightenment philosophy which is based and rationality and therefore science progress and materialism.

Now i dont know if you know what I am talking about but I am sure others here will with greater comprehension than you will!.

However in short it means Liberalism conservatism and every other ISM are equally based on materialism not just marxism.
That is why we have the term Political Science for the discipline of studying politics because politics and the study of it, whether you know it or not is a science like any other science therefore it follows that it is a form of materialism!.Becasue materialism is based on science!.
In practice modern politics requires very little idealism it is simply the management of people and resources.Politics is pragmatic, the real driver of power is finance even you should know this!.

This should really be obvious.But for someone as brainwashed and limited in understanding as you iam sure it is no easy task in comprehension.

internationalism (no God, no nation, no individual) is the philosophy of the parasite.
As for internationalism we already have it.
It is also called Globalisation. Globalistion equals Free trade and free movement of people so we already have it what is your belated point.
The fact is Globalisation was brought about by economic liberals not socialists you are wrong again!.

What is digusting is when you reach into somebody else's pocket to pay for your wants and need and desires; taking away their earnings from those who produced useful goods and services, and giving it to those who did nothing for it, but held out their hands. And, to add insult to injury, come up with this idea of entitlement.

Let me put it this way if you were to lose you your job and assets someday soon I am sure you would one of the first to claim welfare payments.
I know in Australia many small business are usually the first to apply for government assistance once there business goes bust!

They are also the first to whinge about financial institions lending practices and big business having monopoly in markets. Yet expect to play the role of the small time capitalist not realising that the Financial institions and corporations simply have the same attitudes as the small business themselves of survival of the fittest on a larger scale the irony and stupidity of the small trader whinging should be obvious.
Making them as group one of the most hypocritical segements of society when they start bagging out those poorer than themselves!.

You may consider those poorer than you parasites but dont forget there are always bigger predators that consider you a parasite!
It is vicious circle modern capitalism and the ill will never ends, so although you obviously believe you are one of the little people, in others eyes it is obvious that you are one of the oppressors and part of problem in the eyes of those lower on the chain.

In the dung heap of hiearchy everyone always ends up beng someones elses masochist target of humiliation it is part of the Human condition that you enjoy perpetuting and not solving because of your bloated pride!.

Therefore I have nothing more to say because i consider you part of the problem you are here simply to push your self centred pride!
You are marching to the drum of Illuminati masters you have qualities of hatred pride and selfishness that they expect!. :-o

789

12-10-2004, 05:47 PM

>>Therefore I have nothing more to say
Of couse not. You couldn't enforce your argument so you name called and now don't want to talk any more. Since you haven't got a leg to stand on, you could only lose, so no biggie.

Believe it or not, you are wrong nonetheless.
Socialism is a pillar of marxism. The marxist dream of socialist world government is being fulfilled before our eyes. And my belated point is that these parasites brought us globalism and all that comes with it.

You whole heartedly embrace the concept of re-distribution of wealth, as according to Marx, from the producers according to their means to the non-producer according to their needs (paying government bureaucrats handsomely in the process). Yet you claim that you are not marxist. Impressive. And I am not bald, I just have a long forehead.

You fully accept globalism and the destruction of nations and the enslavement of the people on a global plantation, but would like to claim that you are opposed to the nwo.

You endorse enlightenment philosophy -- invented by slightly satanist and largely anti-God individuals -- but think it is I who marches to the drumbeats of illuminated masters.

Where did you learn all this political science (a marxist invention in itself) and logic, at the Tavistock Institute, or on Rhodes Scholarship ?

madkhao

12-10-2004, 06:17 PM

oh! will you two nerds quit bickering please?

:hammer: ORDER! ORDER I SAY!

nohope187

12-10-2004, 11:44 PM

I'm gonna side with 789, the world is increasingly surpassing 1984 and Brave New World.
The gay pinko commies are taking over the world dude. :-o

psholtz

12-11-2004, 06:55 PM

another interesting look at how the NWO is smashing national borders, in the name of "regionalism" and "globalism", was given by Joel Garreau's 1981 book entitied "The Nine Nations of the North America"..

According to the book, North America can be divided into 9 distinct "nations", each w/ its own distinctive economic and cultural features:

http://www.paulsholtz.com/century/9nations.png

sablefish

12-11-2004, 08:03 PM

789.. I like you.

billiard

12-12-2004, 10:53 AM

ozzie appears to be educated beyond his ability to comprehend ... statement upon statement , none of which are logically connected (well there are different variations of socialism , but all evil... like "would you rather be shot , hung , stabbed or drowned ?) and
with all the ISMs mentioned , two are notably absent .three actually . a monopolistic capitalism supported by government - fascism . closer , I think , to the model of NWO rather than marxism . but the underlying philosophy of all these ISMs is collectivism and its religious counterpart , secular humanism . the value of an individual is only with respect to his part in the community .as an individual , he has no value . that's where the "greater good" mentality comes from . like FDR allowing the slaughter of hundreds of servicemen at pearl harbor for the greater good of getting the US into WW2 . collectivism is the basic philosophy of all forms of socialism .

rushdoony

12-12-2004, 11:04 AM

ozziecynic,

You are a socialist (thief ).
ALL TAXATION IS THEFT.
If so many people agree with you then voluntarily organise a charity to help them, there should be no problem. You are a government paycheck collector, I bet.

rushdoony

12-12-2004, 11:30 AM

To: Ozziecynic or Ozziethief

Quit your government job, I'm tired of carrying you. Also, refuse to attend a government run university as a "student", they're just brainwashing you with socialist ( theftist ) lies. Start your own business instead.

The biggest contribution a person can make towards halting the NWO juggernaut is to quit their government job. Morally speaking ALL TAXATION IS THEFT and therefore any one who collects a government check or contract ( a PARASITE ) is stealing. See: http://www.libertocracy.com/Webessays/taxation.htm . Their entire check is stolen money and they pay no taxes because the "taxes" they pay are just a return of stolen money to the MAFIA GOVERNMENT. People must learn that government has no money and that any money it does spend means that some other hardworking father/family somewhere in the laissez-faire, voluntary sector of the economy must cut back on nutritious food, clothing, shelter, self-defense, charity, self-healthcare, self-education AND NUMBER OF CHILDREN ( preventing a life that would have existed is the moral equivalent of murder ). These cutbacks cause that family to break down and when it happens to many families it is called a social breakdown.
People need to understand that there is a spiritual law that says Laudable Designs When Achieved Through Coercion Become Demonic. This means that if a person has even a good project to achieve, it will fail and costs will far exceed benefits, if the means used to achieve that goal ( like taxation ) involve forcibly interfering in anothers life.
And people who say they believe in the God of the Bible should know that after they die of old age ( hopefully ) there will be a spiritual judgment day. That each person will be judged by their thoughts, words and deeds and the intentions and motivations behind their thoughts, words and deeds. Rewards and punishments will be handed out. So people must realise that their crimes of prospering from the stolen loot called taxes will not go unpunished and that justice will be established by God ( your Creator because you did not create yourself by an act of your free-will ).
Again, to hinder and hamper the NWO agenda people should stop assisting with that agenda and quit their government job because they ARE hurting other people. Actually it is not a real job but is literally JOB WELFARE. Any goal or project can be achieved better by people organizing voluntarily like in a real capitalistic business rather that people organizing coercively like the SATANIC STATE does.
And, just briefly here, another major blow to the NWO agenda would be for everyone to stop using any of their so-called money. The system in place now should be called legalized counterfeiting and is probably the main component in advancing the NWO agenda. But now there is an alternative to this debased currency that people could start gradually using and promoting. You can read about it at www.libertydollar.org .

789

12-12-2004, 12:30 PM

Those of you, who like future maps, check out this one from 1942

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/list-world.html

1942 world map. "Outline of post-war new world map" by Maurice Gomberg

sablefish

12-12-2004, 10:43 PM

Ozziecynic.. Don't be discouraged by anyone.. You have as much of a right to say what you have as anybody.. Keep up the good work.. We need your input.. You are a good guy.. expressing your opinion.. And you are very good at it..

If we seem to be out of line from your point of view.. Yell.. and tell us what you think..

If we can't except all opinions.. We are just as blind as the The Media..

Ozziecynic.. Has another point of view.. And his opinion may be right in the long run... Think about it.. .We are a global forum.... All opinions are welcome as long as they don't.. Pick on other posters by name and attribute characteristics that are not verifiable by previous posts.

Everyone should be able to ether defend their posts or at least .. say O.K. I was wrong.. and that should be the end of it
Hick up..

freeman

12-13-2004, 05:30 AM

Ozziecynic.. Don't be discouraged by anyone.. You have as much of a right to say what you have as anybody.. Keep up the good work.. We need your input.. You are a good guy.. expressing your opinion.. And you are very good at it..

Right on, sablefish.
When we permit ourselves to be caught up in these left/right disputes, we are merely playing into the Hegelian dialectic scenario utilized by the New World Order to control us all through perpetual conflict.

666

12-13-2004, 08:29 PM

Left Right Centrist speak has been well

indoctinated in all democracies to make

you forget the real world is UP and DOWN

or in other words a pyramid with the masses

carrying the elite without even knowing it.

thokhanCep

12-14-2004, 12:38 AM

It looks like the left right up down sideways gyroscopic ideologies fight has stopped but some of the quotes were too good to pass up:

Ozziecynic
"The truth is they dont want full employment or secure employment.Although stats agencies both private and public are good at fudging unemployment figures to pretend they are creating more jobs."

( total employment would equal no military and therefore would equal no military industrial complex ) <- Goes good with the "all tax is theft" With out tax no military could exist .. I don't know too many people who would fight for their country , without getting paid , due to the social engineering US(the masses) vs THEM (the few governing bodies). I live in a country (canada) where all they do is take our money and piss it away and or steal it ( gun registry , a few faulty subs , Bronfman 800 million dollar tax exemption , adscam and a list of others )

So I did a search for canadian tax scams looking for a website ... I think its lula.com or net and I found this

'de-tax' seminars
http://www.detaxcanada.org/scams.htm

SCAM NOTICE !!
CRA SCUM HAS A NEW SCAM
Posted April 9, 2003

CRA in the Vancouver area has recently sent a court summons through the regular mail - in a provincial government envelope.
Should you receive a summons by either regular mail or by registered mail, JUST DISPOSE OF IT and DISREGARD. A proper summons MUST be served by a bailiff or by the police; and, the server must make an affidavit of service for court records.

Should the police attempt to arrest you at a later date for refusing to obey such a fraudulent summons, you need to refer to my self defense webpage linked below.

The scam is CRA's expectancy that you will void and return the summons, thus providing acknowledgment of service of such a (fraudulent) summons.

This is one instance where you DO NOT void and return CRA correspondence.

If a summons is served by bailiff or police, then follow the Detax program.

Ozziecynic

12-25-2004, 08:08 AM

:-o What an hysterical reactionary bunch of rightwing trash I see before me!
I am called a thief and all kinds of other insults by righwing rednecks the kind President Bush would call is heartland constituents.
Yes Nth american cowboy trash point your guns spites and fists at me i look forward to defending myself in the flesh one day I am ashamed to be caucasian with fools like 789 and her ilk around.
Really i dont understand the point of this forum anymore. If you claim to be opposed to Globalisation of which the NWO is simply another label shouldnt you be opposed to Free trade not supporting it.
Your attitudes are completely contradictory and make no sense to me.You are the kind of people that whinge about U.S Imperial wars and having your industries and labour sold off to foreign second and third world nations yet display the kind of attitudes which get GWB in power and lead to the kind monopolies you claim to be opposed to.

Put simply your either opposed to Globalisation and its symptoms or Not which one is it you cant have it both ways.So either put up or shut up!.
:-x

marypopinz

12-25-2004, 10:44 AM

Ozzie, call me dumb and I don't understand what has ignited your fuel. Please explain so as I may understand where you are coming from.

I am pleading ignorance here. More info please.

Mary XXX

Ozziecynic

12-25-2004, 10:00 PM

:-x Hey you who made this quote:
Quit your government job, I'm tired of carrying you. Also, refuse to attend a government run university as a "student", they're just brainwashing you with socialist ( theftist ) lies. Start your own business instead.

Hey smart ass you dont carry me i Dont live in canada why not check some simple details!.
Secondly I really dont care for your small cognitive reasoning leading to petit bourgoise attitudes toward me. One day people like you and me will be facing off. I would have no hesitation taking you out if i had to defend myself.
The nice world ended some time ago sides are being chosen within western nations and your not on mine!.

Personally I am of sick small business people whinging about taxes and other trivial concerns while very much participating in the system.
If YOU dont like being taxed so badly why dont you just succeed from canada and with other like minds(if you can find any you sound pretty selfish and uncooperative) minds form your own separatist commmune their is example of this in NZ its called lower Hutt.
It is completely self sufficient from the state and mainstream society and they of cause pay no tax.But they make huge materialistic sacrifices just to live there they have to cooperatre as collective or community if you prefer the latter term to get things done as a community.

So what are you waiting for are you too gutless and weak to make such a sacrifice.Are you simply all keystrokes! No go get stuffed with you assumptions and stick them where the sun dont shine :-x

Mr_Shady

12-25-2004, 11:19 PM

OK, Ozzie, you are one of two things; a raving lunatic or a disinfo agent.

If you're a disinfo plant you'll be around here attacking everybody (like you have) even after they apologize and contradicting yourself at times to get us to fight amongst ourselves.

If you're a raving lunatic, you'll eventually wind up on the 6 o'clock news giving people like us a bad name.

Unfortunately, from your posts I've gathered that you still believe in this whole "left vs. right" "capitalism vs. communism" schtick. This is what really scares the hell out of me. The impending war that you're talking about seems to be the hegelian dialectic conflict the NWO is cooking up for the not too distant future.

My point is, you're either an off the wall raving fucking lunatic or a disinfo agent. I've seen disinfo work on other web sites and you pretty much fit the bill. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Ozziecynic

12-26-2004, 04:41 AM

:lol: OK, Ozzie, you are one of two things; a raving lunatic or a disinfo agent

Bah blah blah!
Who cares what you think!
Which rock did you crawl from!
Your not a regular here it seems you came here came to attack me specifically or maybe your one of the previous posters, posting under another username.Infact it seems it is you that is the troublemaker.

Unfortunately, from your posts I've gathered that you still believe in this whole "left vs. right" "capitalism vs. communism" schtick. This is what really scares the hell out of me. The impending war that you're talking about seems to be the hegelian dialectic conflict the NWO is cooking up for the not too distant future.

No infact its already taking place right now.Dont you watch the news!
Are you purposely being stupid! Only a complete idiot could be so naive.
If you came here to find sanity you are in the wrong place mate last time looked this was a conspiracy site so do you really believe anyone here is concerned about whether anyone fits your sanity scale. I doubt it!.
If you want sanity then i suggest this is not the site for your model citizen tastes!.
I am certainly the last person to care what the likes of you thinks of my sanity levels!So piss off and make enemies elsewhere droop!. :lol:

btw your attempts to demonise me have failed miserably!.

freeman

12-26-2004, 06:59 AM

Actually, I believe I understand what you have been trying to say, Ozziecynic.
There is definitely a conservative, almost fascist bias to Americans, especially our version of Christianity and even many of our conspiracy adherents. It is, I believe, a latent holdover from the conditioning we have received from the Hegelian indoctrination we have all been receiving, courtesty the NWO; but, speaking candidly, in other parts of the world you may notice the same phenomenom from the lefthand side of the ledger.
From my own standpoint, I decided long ago that neither capitalism nor communism are four-letter words or the panacea for all of the world's problems. If you follow the Bible, Koran, Torah or any of the great leaders associated with those scriptures (Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, etc.), you will find an amalgam of left and right wing values.
That should really tell us all we need to know about choosing sides or judging others on that basis. Inasmuch as some of us may have done that to you here on this forum, I apologize and sympathize.

marypopinz

12-26-2004, 11:09 AM

Here in Nova Scotia, people love to bitch. They'll bitch and bitch and bitch.

They will do nothing.

I don't know the how and the when and at other times, they are defending Nova Scotia and saying it's a great place and if I don't like it, go back to England! But I was born here???

Oh yes, it's when I talk about the apathy, the natives get restless. They kind of acknowledge a few little problems and aren't willing to do absolutely one thing different, in their lives. They will do nothing to effect any sort of change - they prefer to bitch. Social programming in the school system is what it is - apathy.

When sheeple are so unwilling to change their rat-race agenda, due to percieved benefits....They think they are doing better than buddy on jerry Springer, they can laugh at him, when really they are no better off.

It is not O.K. and funny to laugh at people who just don't know any better, or are incapable of learning.

When did that become funny?

I find you hard to understand Ozzie, that's why I ask questions.

This is my two cents and is this the kind of thing you were meaning?

Peace XXX

Mr_Shady

12-27-2004, 02:29 AM

Your not a regular here

Oh no? I signed up on December 1st, as soon as I read about the site on savethemales.ca, which I've been reading for about the past 9-12 months. I lurk here mostly, because I'm usually too exhausted to post anything with substance. I'm growing tired of the sheer hopelessness of trying to live in a world that is so fucked up and upside down. Where world leaders who claim they have our best interests in mind rape and pillage humanity and the worlds resources. Where baby Jesus is taken out of school Christmas plays because he may offend a couple of jews, yet the Menorah can stay. Where a local bank proudly displays a latge menorah out front with a sign that some chabad wishes everyone a Happy Hannukah, yet the Christmas tree inside is hidden in a corner. This world is FUCKED UP. I'm sorry I don't submit hundreds of inane posts just to see whether or not I'm the most popular person on this forum. I have a lot to say, just not the strength to write it all out. Because it seems hopeless.

it seems you came here came to attack me specifically

Nope, not at all. I was reading what I thought was an interesting thread until I came to your posts, then I realized we were dealing with one of two things, which seemed to touch a nerve.

or maybe your one of the previous posters, posting under another username.

LOL, and I thought I was overly paranoid.

Infact it seems it is you that is the troublemaker.

Why? Because I hit a little too close to home with my suspicions? From the looks of your posts in this thread, YOU, sir, are the troublemaker/instigator.

No infact its already taking place right now.Dont you watch the news!

I stay away from the main stream propaganda shows. I watch Fox News occasionally to see what the latest propaganda the NWO is churning out for the masses. What can I say, I like to hurt myself. Maybe that's the reason you're insane, you actaully swallow that crap they shove down your throat.

Are you purposely being stupid! Only a complete idiot could be so naive.

I honestly have NO idea what you're talking about. If you're refering to me being naive on the current plan the NWO has for this world, then I must seriously disagree with you. You on the other hand have shown that you believe in the "left vs. right"/"capitalism vs. communism", which shows that when it comes to being awake to the truth, you're akin to someone who is sleep walking.

If you came here to find sanity you are in the wrong place mate last time looked this was a conspiracy site so do you really believe anyone here is concerned about whether anyone fits your sanity scale. I doubt it!.

I came here to find sane people who have an interest in what's going on. Sanity plays a BIG part in whether or not people will LISTEN to you concerning the truth about the NWO and it's hideous plans. Your belief that just because this is a conspiracy site that it will be full of kooks, crack-pots and crazies further seals the deal on you being a disinfo/interfence agent.

model citizen tastes!

Model citizen my ass. How many model citizens own copies of the original "Anarchist's Cooksbook", Army Field Manual FM 31-21 "Guerrilla Warfare and Special Forces Operations", Army Field Manual FM 5-31 "Boobytraps", Army Field Manual FM 5-25 "Explosives and Demolitions", "1984", "Brave New World", The Bible, "Rule by Secrecy", The Urantia Book, Sun Tzu's "Art of War", etcetera and ad nauseum on his bookshelf above his bed? How about the Revolt shirt I MADE depicting a raised fist on the front and a less known Abraham Lincoln quote: "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can excercise their constitutional right of amending it, or excercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." How about the fact that I've had Rage Against the Machine's "Battle for Los Angeles" in my car CD player for the past YEAR because it reminds me daily about what I'm fighting for and against? Is that "model citizen" enough for you?

I am certainly the last person to care what the likes of you thinks of my sanity levels!

Of course you're the last person to care. You're here to sow dissent among us. I know your kind, I have you pegged.

So piss off and make enemies elsewhere droop!

Out of all 17 posts of mine, none were as hostile, incensed, insane or trite as yours. If anyone should be going elsewhere to make enemies, it's you. Oh wait, you're being PAID to make enemies here.

I think I'll stay right here and piss, thank you.

Mr. Shady

rangergord

12-27-2004, 03:54 AM

eh ...

Bill was a friend of mine. If it wasn't for his motorcycle accident he'd be about 86, 40 some years my senior. He was a retired blue collar factory worker and an avid hunter.

Bill's wife's name was June. When I'd call Bill, June would answer the phone and talk my leg off, usually about some health problem.

Some time after Bill had passed I decided to visit June to see how she was doing, with her health problems and all.

Well sir, it seems the reason June had stopped talking about her health problems was because she didn't have any, other then just getting old. At some point the company Bill had retired from had reduced his health benefits so instead of 100% coverage they had deductibles and co-insurance to deal with. Bill had always told me that there was nothing wrong with her, she'd read or hear something and think she had it and would run off to see a doctor. Interestingly, after there was a cost for her to see a doctor, she decided most doctors were pill pushers and that a person was better off with proper nutrition and regular exercise.

I'm sure there is a moral in there somewhere but darned if I can find it.

freeman

12-27-2004, 06:14 AM

I'm sure there is a moral in there somewhere but darned if I can find it.

LOL. You should revere your friend Bill. Sounds like he was a very brave man.

And Mr. Shady, please keep posting. I for one am interested in what you have to say, as well as Ozziecynic.
Having just one viewpoint on this forum would be pretty sterile and counterprpductive, just like the mind control techniques the NWO uses to control us.

789

12-27-2004, 12:40 PM

>>What an hysterical reactionary bunch of rightwing trash

Because the host would like to get rid of the parasite you call us reactionaries ? Obviously first there was an action on your part which now is costing us half of our earnings, and now you are unhappy that we don't like working until July to pay off your wants and desires. A socialist is a mortal enemy of the working class.

I, for one, am not rightwing, I do not subscribe to mob-rule (party democracy). Given the chance I would have voted for Michael Peroutka and the Constitutional Party.

You probably know how many founders of the United States would fall into your "reactionary" category.

>>blah blah blah!
>>Who cares what you think!
>>Which rock did you crawl from!
But we don't need to wonder what agit-prop school you were unleashed from.

>>One day people like you and me will be facing off. I would have no hesitation taking you out if i had to defend myself.

You won't need to take out anybody, you will be too busy looking for food, since no tax-money will be coming your way by then. The parasite always destroys the host, then dies of hunger. In history it is called the rise and fall of civilizations.
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But please explain and defend, how you justify taking from the producers (according to their means) and giving it first to a bunch of bureaucrat drones (according to their needs) then to somebody who did not work for it ?
Perhaps you could persuade that living off the work of other people's hands is really the way to go. But if everyone were like you ? who would you tax then ?

Ozziecynic

12-27-2004, 09:42 PM

ecause the host would like to get rid of the parasite you callB us reactionaries ? Obviously first there was an action on your part which now is costing us half of our earnings, and now you are unhappy that we don't like working until July to pay off your wants and desires. A socialist is a mortal enemy of the working class.

I, for one, am not rightwing, I do not subscribe to mob-rule (party democracy). Given the chance I would have voted for Michael Peroutka and the Constitutional Party.

Re: 789 you and certain others here are the ones that are talking like callous cold pigs and saying that those weaker than themselves should be made to suffer for their own misfortune and poverty not me!
This kind of attitude is the essence populist reactionary scapegoating the type that got the NAZIS and all other kinds of fascist style regimes into power that scapegoat a certain section of the population with their hatred and intolerance!
In this case it appears to be the poor the unempolyed and the elderly the favourite target of Economic rationalists( who knows what you call them in nth america Market Libertarians I think).

Re:You presume that mob rule is the only element the signifies the rightwing ideologies how naive!. Business and and private enterprise and liberal ideologies like market libertarianism which you appear to be advocatiog all indicate unmistakably rightwing senitiments!.All of which you are very pro in your leanings!.

Re:If you care to look into my details I am student partly exist in Australia on government benifits.
I believe as a citizen of this country i have every right to as a citizen of this country to access this kind of support to train and be educated for better productive prospects.
I am not in Nth america so all this whining about your tax dollars is irrelevant.
As worker i have spent atleast ten years in the workforce as worker usually under the direction of someone else.
In Australia the government has been pushing small buisness to be the main driver of employment and the economy.But small business has not reciprocated to creating more jobs, it claims due to an uncomfortable buisness environment which to a large degree they claim was brought on by a a consumption tax the GST (Goods and Services tax) which they claim gave them to much accounting paperwork.

They also whinged about Industrial relations laws like e.g like one here we have called unfair dismissal which means in a nutshell they cant sack a worker whenever they like.
The point of this is that all thses laws were brought to Australians by the the local conservative party the Liberal party under PM Howard traditionally the party of free enterprise but now a party that small business constantly complains about as not creating the conditions for employment growth and encouragement for self employed enterprises.
Really it doesnt matter what any government does buisness will always find some reason to whine about something to do the state apparatus!.

As said previously if those that felt so strongly that didnt want the state they could simply choose not to live under its juristiction by forming their separatist paradise really its all up to you!
You may think communes are socialist idea however, wasnt it the white supremcist group Aryan Nations in the U.S that had such a commune that was definately not leftwing was it. Or the branch divdians that had WACO.All these are an example of separatist communes which could cater for your tax free,state free needs on starting with a bottom up structure rather than a top down hiearchy!

Re: You canstantly post about parasites on the system yet you appear to be opposed to the very same system calling it the NWO, how hypocritical.
So then do you consider yourself to be part of this NWO system or not!
If you believe you are not part of it or opposed to it why would you be concerned about its demise due to parasites.Infact shouldnt you be looking forward to its demise so that you can start from scratch with the kind of system and civilisation you would like to see.

Ozziecynic

12-28-2004, 04:52 AM

:-o Out of all 17 posts of mine, none were as hostile, incensed, insane or trite as yours. If anyone should be going elsewhere to make enemies, it's you. Oh wait, you're being PAID to make enemies here.
you again shady alright!

Well i thought i already stated i didnt give a dam about you and your posts.Are you going to spend all your time cutting me down or do something more constructive moron!.

Sheesh.. Some really do have thick space between their ears and their grey membrane!

Quite a rebuttal I made to your ramblings and all you can comment on is my avatar, call me a moron and now question my sanity?

Nice try, Spook.

Mr. Shady

789

12-28-2004, 01:13 PM

>>I believe as a citizen of this country I have every right to as a citizen of this country to access this kind of support to train and be educated for better productive prospects.

Where did you dream up that you have a _right_ to other people's earnins to pay for your training ? (The communist manifesto ?) I you want to go to school, all power to you, but reach into your pocket to pay for it. You, as any other socialist, are very generous with other people's money, but have no compassion or consideration what ever for those from whom this money is forcibly taken. You expect people who paid for the education of their own children to also pay for your education; and in a school, at that, where you learn such subversive ideas.

How is it, that through your tax-payer funded high education you never learned about constitutional republic, limited government ? (No need to answer.)

>> You canstantly post about parasites on the system yet you appear to be opposed to the very same system calling it the NWO, how hypocritical.
Perhaps you would like to re-compose this sentence.
Anyway, the same peple who now are bringing you the NWO, also brought to you marxism, socialism, socialist programs, universal health care, universal child/day-care, universal public education, internationalism, world government, 200 years of world wars, etc.
I am opposed to all that and opposed to those who unleashed them on us.
It is a parasite system. And you are all for it.
George Bush whom you like to desparage just brought to you the Kennedy education bill and pharma care, and is about to introduce national ID cards. How much more do you want from the poor guy ? Albert in the ballance Gore couldn't bring you this much.

As for your other thread
Who is the real enemy ? Whose enemy ?
I am an enemy of the international money power and everything that it bring us.
You are all for it. What gave you the idea that this forum should be a place for disgruntled socialist who do not like the realisation of their long-awaited final stage of societal evolution.

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In the Book of Joshua is the ultimate reactionary, populist society.
As according to Yahweh's instruction Joshua divided the land among the children of Jacob/Israel (after properly chasing away the previous residents). A portion of land to each family (free of charge, mortgage, tax, rent), to have and to live on; and to work it and live off it by the work of their own hands. No provision for socialist programs, for re-distribution of earnings, no government in fact, just judges.
Provision was made for the widows, the orphans, the fatherless, the sojourners and the priests.

There was no busibody bureaucrat drone class lording it over the producers, and sticking their paws and noses into the pockets and lives of the people. There were no socialist programs to reward the drunkard with someone else's money for being drunk all the time; or junky for being wasted daily; no money handed to welfare-sluts who pop babies for meal-tickets; no money to no-talent bums in support of 'arts'.
And, to top it all, it was a small, nation state with one nation, one God, one religion; even mixed marriages were discouraged.

Ozziecynic

12-29-2004, 07:05 AM

:-D 789 I am getting very tired of your small brained Redneck Bigotry this is definately the last post in this thread that you will recieve from me so dont expect any more attention my opinion of you is final!

The communist manifesto ?)

Who said I was communist? Lies and slander the only a thing pea brain low intellect can rely on to win an argument over limited cognitive ability!.
You havent bothered to answer many of the important questions I posted previously you have simply avoided answering them which only proves I have won the argument because you constanly avoid them.
You also continually keep putting assumptions e.g Marxist communist, to my name which i have never claimed in an attempt disinform by slander the act of a desperate person that cant debate without slander and lies!.

How is it, that through your tax-payer funded high education you never learned about
constitutional republic, limited government ? (No need to answer.)

I dont expect anything from you redneck.
Wealth redistribtion has already been arranged i simply take my entitlements as the state grants them, just like anyone else expects the government to bail them out when they are unemployed or hit the wall due to crony business practices and loans not being able to be repaid or acts of God like droughts and bad weather!
For these things most people expect government handouts I am sure some hypcrite like yourself would be the first to ask for one despite all your anti government rehtoric your all piss and wind!

Personally i look forward to the day that your pissy little enterprise hits the wall or gets gobbled by a corporate monopoly or your dumb enough to take on a loan you cant repay and your half owned material gets confiscated!.
Your a nasty piece of work and full hatred and as the saying goes what goes around surely will come around!Youll get yours!As fascist you derseve to get nailed!. :-x

As for this
constitutional republic, limited government ? (No need to answer.)

Thats why I am glad I dont live in the U.S and have no desire to have its greedy brash stupid culture shuved down my throat unfortunately I have very littel choice in the matter due to globalisation and the FTA agreement!.
Although you should realise that the majority of Australians voted to retain the English Monarch so it seems the Economic rationalist Republican types plans for a puppet Republic in Australia have been foiled atleast for the time being! Hooray! :-D

789

12-29-2004, 12:24 PM

>> I am getting very tired of your small brained
In stead of raising your voice you should reinforce your arguement, but you have none so you name call.

>>Who said I was communist ?
You did. Walks and talks like a duck ... might be a communist duck.
Unfortunately you don't even know what you were inductrinated into in government school.

>>my entitlements as the state grants them
Exactly Sir, property of the state (globalist state at that). Freedom carries with responsibility, that is why you chose slavery. You might make a nice little apparatchnik and lord it over you victims. One day you will run out of producers and won't be able to confiscate their earnings, then what will you do.

Obviously you are great friend of the new world order and what it brings to you, so what is your problem with it ?

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The third way/option would have been a good idea as envisioned by the gand-daddy of the third way Lawrence Dennis, in his "Coming of American Fascism"
http://www.yamaguchy.netfirms.com/dennis/fascism_index.html
but it never happened. Today it is just marxism lite for for not so clear reasoning educated ones and naive anarchicts.

789 wrote:
>>And just what is wrong with these socialist programs as you call them?.

They are theft. The cancer is not some special kind of cell. It is just one that adopted the life-style of the parasite. It received the wrong information. In stead of learning to be productive, to provide for itself, etc., it learned that all it has to do is eat and grow, eat and grow, (even invented the philosophy of entitlement to the products of other people's work) untill it kills the normal cells around it, and the body dies.
The parasite always kills the host !

If you are a socialist, what is your objection to the marxist world republic ? Not enough welfare ? You dreamed of different kind of marxism, and now you are disappointed ?

The same people who brought to you all these socialist programs are bringing you the new world order, which is a political entity.

Socialism = a system in which society (by state force) takes care of responsiblities which are the duties of the individual. Such as feeding yourself, your wife, your children;
clothing yourself and your children, wife;
housing yourself, your wife and your children;
raising your children, paying for their education;
taking care of your health and paying for it;
taking care of your elderly parents;
etc.

Responsibilities of society
widows, orphans, fatherless

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Since you brought up the "Illuminati", could you point me to some original source regarding that outfit ?

Well Said!

Socialism,liberalism,Communism, has been a CANCER on humanity for too long. The NWO thrives on humanity being dependent on government, Yes, I agree that there are good social programs that are neccessary, but how much can a individual be taxed? 40% 50% 60% of income?

This is why I see myself as being a Independent Conservative, As the world turns! :-)

Ozziecynic

08-31-2006, 01:16 AM

Socialism,liberalism,Communism, has been a CANCER on humanity for too long. The NWO thrives on humanity being dependent on government, Yes, I agree that there are good social programs that are neccessary, but how much can a individual be taxed? 40% 50% 60% of income?

So you are not dependent on government you claim?. O.k so do you pays taxes I bet you do guess what pal sorry to burst your bubble but that makes you a dependent of the government you may not ask them to pay your bills but they sure as hell need you to pay theirs.
However I can garauntee that you are dependent on the mainstream global capitalist economy just like any one else that must buy and sell. So how exactly are you so independent of the mainstream. When the verichip 666 comes youll accept it willingly no doubt, as you must buy and sell right.

This is why I see myself as being a Independent Conservative, As the world turns! :-)
So do you live in bubble a waco style compound, uncharted island or Mars to make such a delusional statement are you on lsd.:roll:

Tor

08-31-2006, 04:50 AM

I vote redrat is delusional.

Shadow

08-31-2006, 07:08 AM

Redrat is nothing but a retard idiot that doesn't make sense most of the time.

Better be carefull though or he might shoot you with his water pistol.

redrat11

09-03-2006, 03:08 AM

I Give The Fuck UP!

if 789 did,nt teach you shit, there'es no HOPE for you! 8-)

789

12-04-2006, 12:37 AM

If syphillis is not treated it attacks the brain
If the syphillis of socialism is not treated it attacks the brain.

This is what ozzie the cynick suffers from -- by this stage it is untreatable. His brain so deteriorated as result of the desease that he thinks that reaching into other people's pocket to pay for his wants and needs is his right; he sees nothing wrong with helping himself to the products of other people's work. "By the sweat of _other people's brow_ shall he eat bread" -- says he and other syphillis infected subversives.

Yes, absolute power may corrupt absolutely; and that is exactly what he wants, an absolutely powerful and corrupt state ... of which he may be an aparatchik

After they destoyed society, they starv to death themselves, because there will be no producers left to steal from

Ozziecynic

12-05-2006, 03:50 AM

This is what ozzie the cynick suffers from -- by this stage it is untreatable. His brain so deteriorated as result of the desease that he thinks that reaching into other people's pocket to pay for his wants and needs is his right; he sees nothing wrong with helping himself to the products of other people's work. "By the sweat of _other people's brow_ shall he eat bread" -- says he and other syphillis infected subversives.

:-o :-? Ah 789 where have you been for the last three years to suddenly make an appearance at this hour just so i could witness more witless hickery dickery crap from the child fiddlers state of canada.
On the contrary despite your presumptions i think the deep freeze must have frozen a few brain sells for you to still believe someones life never changes in four years since your last post.
Are you even a real person just another intelligence stooge on this forum fabricating nothing but the same old stale evidence from my old posts the only thing you have!.

As for the attacks on socialism per se maybe you could start by cleaning up your own pola brothel state theres no more of liberal or leftwing state than canada its hippie and deviant central.

On another note I am out of here here as i ve found other forums more to my liking so i suggest you find someone elses pre pubescent fantasy shaft to masturbate over.!. :-D :lol:

mangaman

07-06-2008, 02:13 PM

Well, I would enjoy a global socialist system because I am a socialist.