pup wrote:I still think the guy who has a great shot at breaking the single season TD record, running for 1700+ yards and his team lost 2 games, both on last minute chucks gets my vote.

Ball also has the most impact of any of those guys in terms of conference games. RGIII had a few blowouts to pad his stats. Luck lost his big game. Richardson was shutdown a couple times in conference.

Ball's the only one who played in a conference championship game.

Six combined TDs in two games v. Michigan State for Ball. He'd get my vote.

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That Baylor team wins like four games without him. Single most important player to his teams final win/loss on the season.

I kinda had this in thought.

Think about it. RG3 almost lead Baylor to a BCS GAME.

Honey Badger may have been amazing, but you take him off LSU and they could still very well be in the BCS Title game at this very moment.

Is there a VORP formula for football?

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

That Baylor team wins like four games without him. Single most important player to his teams final win/loss on the season.

You're right about that, he was the most important player to his team, and I guess that should figure into it. But the trophy is supposed to go to the player who had the best year, right? I have a hard time discouning other players for the simple fact that their team would have still been good without them. A STRONG case can definitely be made to RG3, but my vote is going to Ball.

The media wanted Luck to win it.The media will still more than likely vote him as the winner.My vote would be 1. Ball 2. Griffin 3. Luck

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

pup wrote:Someone needs to explain to me, without using the initials SEC, how in the hell Trent Richardson beats Montee Ball by 600 votes.

I was wondering that myself......

Superior competition?

Superior hype.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

pup wrote:Someone needs to explain to me, without using the initials SEC, how in the hell Trent Richardson beats Montee Ball by 600 votes.

I was wondering that myself......

Superior competition?

Superior hype.

My theory is voters care infintely less the farther down the list they go.

I think if you put Richardson and Ball heads up, as the frontrunners, you might have a different vote.

Furls is correct about the hype, ILO, but I think it's magnified in this case cause people are deciding between 3rd and 4th or 4th and 5th, and it's easy just to plug guys in there. I'd be willing to bet many voters analyzed quite a bit more betwenn RG and Green, because it was for all the marbles.

Various reactions to Heisman announcement at Baylor and around Waco...not much else going on, I guess... (they could have checked at stiffarmtrophy.com a few days before, and spared themselves all the suspense)

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