"if your kids were in Muslim majority area, would you say that it would be OK for teachers to lead children in prayers to Allah?"

Nope. But this isn't a Muslim country. It's a Christian country.

"I think leaving it up to the children and parents individually makes more sense than trying to get a whole group to agree that didn't come there for purposes of prayer."

I once thought that way, but that was before liberals made it unmistakably clear that they intend to bury Christianity. No consideration for it, no treating it on the same footing with any other religion, no civility toward Christians. They have declared war on Christians and Christianity and I, for one, am for fighting back and stomping the bastards into the ground. That would mean prayers to Jesus in the schools, the Ten Commandments over the entrance of any and every public building, crosses on public grounds at Christmastime, and so on, with the intent of making it perfectly clear who runs America.

I think it should be up to the teacher. Christian prayer only. Anybody wants to whine, they can shove it up their atheist communist Muslim Other ass. But the pledge should be mandatory in every classroom at the beginning of the school day. Time we started teaching kids to love America again, and all that made her great.

Traditionally, the only countries that have required people to swear allegiance to them daily have been fascist dictatorships. Other countries, the nice ones, just sort of assume allegiance as a result of being good places to live.

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"Traditionally, the only countries that have required people to swear allegiance to them daily have been fascist dictatorships. Other countries, the nice ones, just sort of assume allegiance as a result of being good places to live."

(The Lazy One)
"If you want to live in a Christian country so bad, why don't you go find a little island somewhere and make your own country? Sealand did it, you can too."

I wholeheartedly agree with both of you. Also, since no one else has said it...

Exactly DesertFox. Even though America isn't a Christian country, your method is a good way to force it to be so eventually. We know that Christianity is a weak religion and that it can only be maintained, let alone grown, by violent and authoritarian means. The dictatorial facets of Christianity are most suitable for a country like the USA if it has ambitions of its people being a backward slave race of kow-towing simpletons.

Christianity may have had its uses when the barons and bishops wanted to keep the peasants in the fields for all the time that they weren't sleeping. But in this day and age, Christianity is a positive danger and an encouragement to violence and bigotry and is a particularly bad role model for children.

"I think it should be up to the teacher. Christian prayer only. Anybody wants to whine, they can shove it up their atheist communist Muslim Other ass. But the pledge should be mandatory in every classroom at the beginning of the school day. Time we started teaching kids to love America again, and all that made her great."

I think it should be up to the teacher. Christian prayer only. Anybody wants to whine, they can shove it up their atheist communist Muslim Other ass. But the pledge should be mandatory in every classroom at the beginning of the school day.

Yeah! All those heathens are just gonna accept that the First Amendment only gives them the right to not be lynched on the spot, and they're gonna damn well like it!

Time we started teaching kids to love America again, and all that made her great.

You mean the freedom for people to come here and not be persecuted for their beliefs, and not be forced to follow anyone elses beliefs, which includes being forced to pray to a god they might not believe in and not follow laws made to fit a religion they might not believe in?

First we get...
"No consideration for it(Christianity), no treating it on the same footing with any other religion..."Then we get (paraphrased)...
"Jesus Christ Uber Alles!"You really do think that irony is a communist, liberal, gay Muslim plot don't you?

-Slavery would be legal, because it's condoned in the Bible
-Your leaders would be "chosen by God," so no democracy
-You would not be allowed to speak out against your leaders, because they would be "chosen by God" and to do so would be considered blasphemy
-There would be no health care, since that would imply a lack of faith in God to heal you
-Your tithing to the church would be far harder on your earnings than any tax
-You would be a second-class citizen if you weren't of the same Christian denomination as the ruling majority, since you wouldn't be considered a "true Christian"

Get down on your knees and thank your god that you do not live in a Christian nation.

once thought that way, but that was before liberals made it unmistakably clear that they intend to bury Christianity. No consideration for it, no treating it on the same footing with any other religion, no civility toward Christians. They have declared war on Christians and Christianity and I, for one, am for fighting back and stomping the bastards into the ground.

Lies, lies, and damn lies!

I think it should be up to the teacher. Christian prayer only. Anybody wants to whine, they can shove it up their atheist communist Muslim Other ass.

So you think that being in the majority lets you ignore the minorities' rights? Okay then, how would you like to be sent on a one-way trip to Rome, circa 64 CE. And you will keep your Christianity, I assume, as otherwise you are not a real Christian.

Time we started teaching kids to love America again, and all that made her great.

I agree. The things that make America great are most certainly not fundamentalist Christians.

Hmm, you complain about some people not treating Christianity like all other religions or with respect, then explain how you want Christianity forced upon other people against their will. You, DesertFox, are a total hypocrite.

No, treating all religions the same is not declaring war on Christianity. You're just feeding your persecution complex while you yourself would treat all other religions the same way. Again, you are a lousy hypocrite.

Whenever I've asked this of a fundie/wingnut, I've never gotten a coherent answer (big surprise): Has anyone ever been made more religious or patriotic by being told to recite a prayer or pledge?

Has mumbling a prayer in unison with the assistant principal ever really made a kid love Jebus, any more than rote memorization induces love of multiplication tables? Has anyone ever been stopped from betraying their country by memories of standing hand-on-heart in first class period?

I'll go out on a limb here and say "No."

So why get so hot about this, or posting the Ten Commandments? I think it's just a fit of self-consolatory masturbation.

Islam started in the Middle East. Christianity started in the Middle East.

Ergo, the US isn't a Christian country. QED.

C'mon, fundies! You're supposed to make what you say (and thus quoted here in FSTDT) more of a logical challenge, and you only take the fun out of it when you destroy your own arguments in your own statements.

Is it any wonder Friedrich Nietzsche preferred the company of Jews to Christians*. As the former were better educated (and of course still are today), they were a greater challenge intellectually, in discussions & debates**.

*- Contrary to Neo-Nazis, Skinheads et al, who see him as a philosophical poster-boy for Hitler & Nazism, Nietzsche actually hated Anti-Semites. He thought they should've been shot.

**- It's said that if you can argue Nietzsche with Christopher Lee, you'll have a friend for life.