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Comment by Cogeme

As for a hunter, this thing is rly not a upgrade from the polearm which drops from trash. You get more agility of it, enough haste on it and AP is also comparable to this sword. I would let the warriors have their two-hander for once :P...

Comment by sasexw

I am the only one who belives this 3.4 is TOP with x3 on flurry?

Comment by hi675

Dropped for The Seven on June 1st, 2008 at 7:11 PM CET.

Comment by Boulderdash

No, 3.4 is not too fast.

In terms of end game pve 2h Swords/Axes/Maces are basically going to be itemized with 3 class/specs in mind: Ret Paladins, MS warriors (Blood Frenzy bots), and Hunters.

Given the lack of agility and the much better and much more readily accessible Shivering Felspine, it's clear this isn't a hunter weapon.

With the haste on the weapon itself, this is essentially a 3.34 speed weapon with the highest top end in the game. From the standpoint of a Blood Frenzy warrior, 3/5 flurry brings the speed down to 2.83, which is good for the standard dps rotation of 4x slam, 2x ms, 1x ww.

Normal rotation would look like this (assuming the average .1 second lag time on slam & 100% flurry up time)

Given this rotation and lag time it still leaves .33 seconds of open GCD after each special attack which is nice for extra lag/reaction time. Some of this could also be readily filled with the haste rating on the very nice Onslaught Boots and Belt, as well as some of the other Sunwell armor pieces (it would take ~250 haste rating on gear in order to fully compensate, a number that is impractical to reach for given other gearing requirements).

All in all, even considering the quicker speed to the weapon, it's still well within acceptable limits for a Blood Frenzy warrior. It's unfortunate that these circumstances brings the weapon under 3 seconds thus interfering with the cooldown on Windfury, but that is also assuming 100% flurry uptime which may not neccessarily be the case.

On the flip side, quicker auto attacks means more chances to proc sword spec. It's also worth mentioning that as gear upgrades are attained, and more haste rating becomes available, some arms warriors may switch over to a slamless dps rotation utilizing a DST.

Comment by Frogger101

A ret paladin going from Shivering Felspine to Apolyon, the Soul-Render will gain;

35+dps ~regardless of faction. Both SoB and SoC will gain that much from swapping these weapons out according to spreadsheets. Making this hands down an amazing retribution paladin weapon.

These posts are suggesting for a slower speed, as some warriors can even see the S4 weapon out dpsing this baby for their spec and rotation.

Smart guilds with the way the sword is at the moment will hand this to their retribution paladin, then their warriors. It is just not enough of an upgrade for a warrior to give it over the ret paladin.

Comment by cosmic

A great Two-hander. Any class that can use it could benefit from it.

Comment by Gorger

US first obtained on June 7 by Metin <V A N Q U I S H> of US Cho'gall. A retribution paladin.

Comment by Dpsdaddy

Lol my heart goes out to those who voted down my comment. If you love the cartoony weapons WoW keeps churning out lately... my apologies.

Comment by Damerios

Forgive me, but if the top end damage of the weapon is the same as the other swords (in fact it's higher, as far as I know its the highest top end damage weapon in the game) then the damage it deals on an attack like mortal strike will be the same, therefore the speed doesn't matter. It's a better weapon than say the Brutal Gladiator's sword because it would do similar damage in strikes, but you'd strike with white damage more often.

It would be better if it was slower, yes, but it is still a superior weapon damage-wise because you wouldn't lose any damage because of its speed. Think of it as a 3.6 speed weapon with a little more haste.

Comment by llSmithll

King James BibleRevelations, 9:7-117 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. 8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. 9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. 10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Comment by Dorfus

If you socket this with 3 +10 Strength gems thats 30 strength equalling 60 attack power.I'm not sure if strength adds to other stats too, but it would definatley be nice to see some more on this sword rather than a ghastly 100+ AP.

Comment by Dithunder

Personaly this weapon makes a great pally weapon because of its high damage which makes crusaders strike a bit more powerful.

If you went through the hoops to down Muru and the last boss before L80, you deserve a weapon that is truly superior. The S4 sword should not share its graphic either.

Comment by Bruc

Sword currently appears not to take a glow from enchants (i.e. no lightning effect from Mongoose). Whether this is intented or a bug, I don't know.

Comment by nrred

This is an excellent choice for fury warrior looking ahead to utilize it with the WotLK talent 'Titan's Grip'. The 3.4 speed and 2.03% haste will serve the talent well!

GL getting one!

Comment by Croco

this exactly what I want to say: titan's grip. I am lvl 45 atm so not even my wet dreams can conceive a blade like this one, but Sul'thraze I can see around the corner... and it got me thinking. so I wanted to see what is the best 2handed sword in the game till now. this sword feels like it's made for titan's grip fury warrs! it will sure make whirlwind alot more fun! :))

Comment by Tchaman

You guys realize there's gonna be better 2H weapons at lv 80, right? So saying that "this goes well with Titan's Grip" is quite a redundant comment...

Also, with many balance fixes, or with the present mechanics... this one might/should be changed to Unique due to the fact that many top end dps 1Hers are Unique...

Comment by Golijov

@Boulderdash

"It's unfortunate that these circumstances brings the weapon under 3 seconds thus interfering with the cooldown on Windfury, but that is also assuming 100% flurry uptime which may not neccessarily be the case."

Just thought I'd point out that the windfury totem effect doesn't have the 3 second internal cooldown; that is only for shaman's windfury weapon buff. There is no cooldown on the windfury totem effect.

Comment by awebz

This along with the S4 weapons, this the only optainable item in game with greater than 600 top end!

Comment by Kazzaking

This is a hunter weapon and a ret paladin weapon because they will both use it in there main raiding set warriors however you will never see one using a two hander before they get titans grip.

Comment by Nedorian70

This has got to be an arms/sub priest weapon.

Comment by armaroth

Seeing that it is not unique, I would love dual wielding those on my warrior once 3.0 arrives.

Comment by Mokal

Sorry to say but this is clearly made for hunters.

Comment by tartcart5656

i hate how i can never get this amazing sword i go raid SWP and we never do kiljaedan only twins and brut

Comment by ifm2181

This may be nice to dual wield come WOTLK. If the speed is a bit too fast, make it an offhand, and throw a Cataclysm's Edge MH. Or use two since they're not unique, and the damage output would still be great, assuming you have a lot of +hit (which everyone should anyway). At the very least, Apolyon will be a great stat placeholder for TG warriors, and it's far from being a bad weapon.

Comment by Chaoskirby1

hunter weapon imo look at that ap and stuff and with 3 20 ap gems in there this would be beastly

Comment by mathos22

Saw an arms warrior with TG duel wielding these in AB. At first glance, I thought it was yet another warrior with warglaives. I was wrong. 2 swipes is all it took. My poor mage didn't have a chance :(

Comment by crusader666

TG is fury.... But yet, dual wielding these with savagery on both and 3 +10 str sockets in each, all in all will give you: 252 ap + 2x 70 ap + 6x 10 str= 516 AP... 148.7 dps in both hands, 64 haste and 84 crit rating. I just say OMG

Comment by synistrad

this sword got the name of a demon god in greek history the name by which he is calledin "Pilgrim's Progress".

Comment by noldi

rofl 2 of the swords= epic pwnage!

Comment by Xycolian

It's not unique so warriors with titans grip can equip two of them at the same time! O.O

You would look like a complete bad ass with two of these things equipped!

Comment by Bloodysorc

The highest stamina weapon in the game for death knights who don't have access to deadly gladiator gear; if I had one, I'd totally use it in my sarth tanking set :-)

Comment by Draknalor

How much Dmg would a titans grip warrior with 2 of these with 3 16 strength gems in each and 85 ap enchants on each, have`?

Comment by Azsharae

I think that this sword is rather comparable ( only because of the sockets, that is ) to lvl 80 blues and I am definitely getting this on my Paladin. I guess just because dual-spec is coming soon, and I really love raiding Sunwell Plateau. I mean, this and Thori'dal are pretty much the only reasons to raid the place, aside from some trinkets.

And if nothing, it has a value akin to the good old T6 sets. They're simply gorgeous.

Comment by supercrem9

I think this would be a great thing to use for DK 2-h tankin at 80. My DK is currently dw spec'd for easier d cap, but my offspec is gonna be a 2h spec with a lot of stam and he's a JC

so the sword has 75 stam normally,three JC sockets, so that 123 stam there,and the socket bonus of 9 stam

that makes 207 stam!

but... you may have a little bit of a threat problem due to its low at power and end dmg cause its a 70 epic, and equivilent to an 80 green in dmg.

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Comment by kadota11

this would be a great hunter item if you add x3 delicate dragons eyes75 stamina 81 agilityamazing

Comment by imawarrior

best weapon in tbc?

Comment by maggiomartedi

Call me crazy, but i think this might be able to create a very powerful weapon.

If you're a hunter, lets say and you almost never melee, but hit a lot of range, using this with 3x http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40114 or if you're a Jewlcrafter http://www.wowhead.com/?item=36766 could create a 246 Attack Power weapon or 330 with Jewlcrafter's gems. although the Jewlcrafters gems could easily fill another slot in armor or otherwise.

Comment by isseidoki121

o.o i love the look... it needs to be level 80 so people can see it again :l

Comment by Matt327

For the alliance ToC raiders, On the FC, You can see that the Paladin is wielding this sword.

Just a Fun fact I though i'd throw in there :]

Comment by elones

It's the first weapon that I've seen which actually looks like the picture and it happens to be the best level 70 two handed sword.

Comment by yoob

Anyone know if any enchant shows on this weapon?

Comment by Toragen

Go to the screenshots tab and look at screenshot number 4... Good job. :D

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Comment by Grimtongue

This weapon is easily the best 2her at level 70. It has the highest DPS and highest top end damage of any weapon until level 78 item level 187 rares from non heroic 5 mans.

Comment by Androidsaurus

Just got this today, got Brutal Gladiators Greatsword and transmoged it into Apolyon and I now class myself as the Dual Wielder of Apolyon lol

Comment by pynkskyn

This sword (well, the model anyway) is wielded by Koltira Deathweaver in a few of his phases. He uses a different weapon in the death knight starting area, but as far as I remember he uses this everywhere else.

Comment by clifford

OMG for a transmorg 2 hander...this is awsome!

Comment by velvetalley

Considering that this item has no lore attached to it I'm going to make something up.

Apolyon, the Soul-Render is fashioned from Adamantite and Fel-Steel, and tempered with the blood of Kil'jaeden himself. The ultimate fel weapon, Apolyon's fabrication was to act as a weapon to rend the soul of the mortal and assimilate them into the Scourge.

Apolyon is discovered on Kil'jaeden's body upon his defeat with unexpected characteristics of its original creators. The journey through the Sunwell has purified the blade, its Fel power fully intact yet non-addictive or harmful to it's mortal wielder.