Sunday, June 30, 2013

Hailey Dunn and Bracing for Disappointments

If anything was taught to us by the jury in the Casey Anthony trial, today's world is one in which we must brace ourselves for disappointments.

Before our eyes, good is bad, and bad is good, up is down, and down is up. Those who sing songs of freedom move quickly to erode freedoms, while those who marched for free speech, now approve of squelched speech. Workers good, employers bad, thinking bad, feeling is good. We are continually being reminded that we must be braced for bad news...or, that it may be: no news at all.

Why should justice be spared the impact?

Hailey Dunn's remains were found and the case appeared complete. Mother, Billie Dunn and her boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, were so into drugs and sexual blood shed as a hobby, the only question about them was, "What took them so long?" instead of "who done it?"

Curtis Lloyd, the citizen who found Hailey's remains, was unable to speak. This was done to protect the integrity of the case, which is a nice way of saying: We don't want Dunn's lawyer getting this information now.

Has the deadline for the gag order now expired? Will it be renewed, or allowed to be shelved?

In 1997, a Colorado Grand Jury indicted John and Patsy Ramsey in the child abuse death of their daughter, Jonbenet, but it was not until 2012 that we learned that the cowardice of Alex Hunter, showed itself in his refusal to sign the indictment and try the case.

He did not dare go up against the private attorneys hired by the Ramseys.

The private sector draws the talent because it pays far more than the state.

So it is that no arrests have been made, but this is not our first disappointment. The Casey Anthony jury taught us to brace ourselves for such things.

There have been other easy to solve cases in which there exists no "who done it" yet there have been no arrests:

106 comments:

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The first time I glanced and thought you put them up as part of one of your stories. But looked closer and seems like ads. It does not seem like something you would tolerate?

Anon..I don't see any ads at all..just the blog. Look up Adblocker, or Adblocker plus. Free programs that make ads invisible on everything including Facebook. Most ads are chosen by the site host company, and they rotate. What one sees is different than another. Also, like ob facebook, the ads are sometimes tailored to what has been clicked on before, even by accident when scrolling. Everything is marketing these days..I still get the thing on fb that sugests a Target gift card every time someone posts the word 'celebration'..lolDo try adblocker..

I am completely disappointed and saddened by the inability of LE to bring charges in these cases. There must be something we don't know..In the meanwhile, childish postings by teens land them in jail..or prison.OT http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/teenager-justin-carter-facebook-comment-jail_n_3512025.html

I'm glad you brought up the Jon Benet Ramsey case because yesterday I stumbled across an interview on youtube I'd never heard--or heard of--before. I'm posting the link here and would appreciate anyone else weighing in. The detective who speaks here seems to give a report at variance with what I read in the online autopsy report, which mentioned nothing (or nothing I understood due to medical terminology) about obvious sexual assault. I'm reeling! Here's the video link if anyone else wants to watch and comment: "Boulder Detective on the Ramsey Case"www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Aly2fPK-XE

In Florida, a murdering "person of interest" was recently arrested and charged with murder after 7 years. To BD: Never, ever, never rest easy... you will never be able to keep SA under your control and/or from murdering again for the rest of your life. Van der sloot had more money than you, more political pull than you and an atty that could stay out of trouble.. and look where he ended up. And if/when he kills again, that too will be on your shoulders. IMO only... and as if you even cared!

I do not think anyone will be held accountable for the murder of Hailey Dunn. All that was there were her bones, not that many tests can be done on it, after the physical observation. She was found back in March, we are now moving into July. They probably can't determine a cause of death. Blunt force trauma or broken bones would have been observed immediately. Suffocation would have left the darkening on the inside of the skull. Unless they just don't want to release the remains to the person who killed her, her mother.

Only 3 people know what went on that night....and unfortunantley one is deceased...the other two are not talking.

One thing stands out in the cases where the child was found and we know they are deseased... And no one has been held accountable..

They never seek justice for their child...

I watch Dateline, Anerican Justice etc

I've seen parents 20 years later still on a mission to find their child's killer, to get justice.

Billie Dunn: She was out partying (because she deserved agood time) before the body was found. I have not see her take a single step outside her Facebook rants to do anything to get the killer

Casey Anthony: we have not even see or heard from her, sure not a mom looking for justice

Pat (even tho she has passed) and Jon Ramsey: Just days after their child was brutally murdered, they said on national television they were not angry and have done nothing since to search for the killer. Jon has even remarried a young blonde that looks like goddaughter.

Justice... To them, they got away with murder so they are not going to pursue justice...

in bloomington indiana the parents of missing 20-year-old Indiana University student Lauren Spierer are taking the law into their own hands and filing a civil case against the young men who appeared to be complicit in her disapearance. i am so happy. it remains to be seen if they can get the case to civil trial but if so maybe it will serve as an example for other citizens to take the action the legal system won't.

Someone from Hailey's family needs to push LE to get arrests. I don't see that taking place. Billie is off doing what she has been doing all along, partying..getting tattoos..drugs.. Hailey's dad, Clint, has buried himself in his home and will not speak out for his daughter. He needs to stop smoking pot and get up on his two feet and march over to LE and demand something be done for Hailey.

David, as far as I know, has no searched for his sister and has done nothing since her remains were found.

The memorial set up outside of Hailey's bedroom window has been allowed to wither away with overgrown grass and weeds. Allegedly Clint will not allow anyone to clean it up. Strangers put this together for Hailey and all of their work is buried.

Boston Lady, ref your comments above concerning the overgrown yard at Haileys' former residence; it was my understanding that Clint lives in Calif now and works in the legal pot cultivation/farming business. If this is so, he would not be in the area and in no position to refuse to allow anyone on the premises, therefore would not be responsible for whether the grounds or the memorial are maintained or not.

Also, isn't it true that Billie abandoned the property when she moved to Austin, just as Clint did when he moved out of state; which he had already done anyway when he moved in with Naomi and was not making support or mortgage payments.

Having said that, then it is more than likely that neither one of them are keeping up with the mortgage payments, or the past due real estate taxes; in which case the property would have liens filed and fallen into foreclosure long before now.

When a property is in forclosure, no one is allowed on the premises for any reason other than banking and city/county officials and those contract employees they send to board up the property and/or maintain it. At a point in time during the foreclosure proceedings, notices are posted on the front door or front windows specifying the foreclosure and stating No Trespassing.

If I were concerned about the memorial not being taken care of, I would start with the likely foreclosure proceedings that are under way. Easy to gooogle in the country where the property is located. It is a matter of public record. Observer

Anon at 1:20. Yes the FBI said they may take months. And not releasing the remains to family is hopefully a good sign. However, I have been expecting complete disappointment for a long time. LE lost precious opportinity to collect evidence in the early days when they they treated the case as a runaway. I have little hope there will be an arrest, much less a conviction. I hope I am wrong.

The neglectful lack of concern and self-justification that prevents these families from seeking justice is exactly what caused the disappearance/death of these children to begin with. It's difficult for caring, reasonable people to wrap their minds around parents being that evil.

The last update on the Hailey memorial at her home was that Clint had evicted the people living there who were helping to take care of the memorial and he moved in. He was going to fix up the house but given the picture take with all of the overgrown and untended grass, he's not doing that. In addition, there are locals who did contact LE regarding this and are trying to get access to clean it up.

And of course Observer went on and on and on pontificating her opinion without getting the facts. Clint moved in to the house. He is living in California. Observer, please, get some facts before you most a long blog of repeating rumor and going on from there.

But Peter, you said!! You said weeks ago that Shawn was making a deal "ath this very hour." You've promised us that arrests were imminent! You said there was child porn! You've pointed to two sealed indictments from the Grand Jury, practically PROMISING that they were for BD and SA! How can you let us down NOW??!!!???

Anon @ 10:37, I don't think those were Peters' exact words you state above; however, haven't you learned by now that Peter can't promise anybody anything, nor can he always authenticate his statement analysis as being truth?

Didn't you notice how totally wrong he was about Lance Armstrong? All those years Peter routed for him, adored him, idolized him, followed him, and didn't pick out the first lie in Lance's interviews FOR YEARS until the very end when Peter finally had to admit (with heavy heart) that Lance was lying. NOW it comes about that Lance was lying in every interview he ever made during all those years.

And that's not the only one he missed the boat on either. So much for Peters' Statement Analysis and projections of events yet to come. They ususally don't.

Thank you, I stand corrected if true; however, the last time I looked approx 2 years ago, Anon @ 7:10 a.m., Clint Dunn and Billie Jean Dunn had a sizable mortgage in both their names on the real estate Billie, Hailey & David were residing in, in Col City.

I don't know if this is true or not and don't care one way or the other, but you might want to check it out for yourself.

Look you nit-wit; I am NOT stalking Peter or anyone else. I'd have to care to do that, now wouldn't I? Duh...

Nor am I responsible for any of those posts above where my name as been used. For now, I'm just plain done with this shyt. You can all (well, mostly all); can go p'ss up a rope for all I care. Observer.

I see peter has stopped removing troll comments. He seems like a black and white, all or nothign type of guy. Before, he was removing different types of comments, like the silly ones above, along with other ones questioning his opinion, etc. so he went from monitoring it alot, to what seems like not at all.

also his description here: "Those who sing songs of freedom move quickly to erode freedoms, while those who marched for free speech, now approve of squelched speech. Workers good, employers bad, thinking bad, feeling is good."

i feel like things like this are often perceived by people as going from some form to an ultimate extreme. think gun control. conservatives think "oh my gosh you cant take ALL MY GUNS" away. no ifs ands or buts, not a single gun should be barred because 1 single gun being barred= gun control. Liberals on the other hand might say "why can't we just ban the assault weapons and ridiculous amounts of ammo?" in regards to gun control. they aren't saying ban all guns. yet conservatives take this all or nothing extreme side,

when really there should be a balance that exists. instead of assuming bad intentions, look for the common cood, look for the balance someone is trying to find, and put yourself in anothers shoes.

I would love if you would do a post for those of us still learning about SA and those on the fence about how reliable it was (not me of course I belive it in it).

I think it would help to see some SA on a case we know the person was lying and what they were lying about.

Since most the time, were told that a statment shows "deception" or "sensitivity" I figured a case where we later knew the facts, that would help us see how SA is very reliable.

I have been trying to find cases where I was able to get some statements that were done prior to knowing the truth. And not just that the person was "convicted" (since there have been cases where someone was wrongly convicted) but knew WITH OUT A DOUBT they were in fact the guilty party.

Ideally someone that later confessed.

I finally found one, but the statements are brief. At least that I have been able to find.

I think this would make an excellent post if you feel the statements below would be enough to highlight some deception. If not, I will gladly do some more searching either for more statements in this case, or another one where guilt is know whith out a doubt.

Anyone else that may have a case where the person lied at first then later did finally admit to it, reply here with the name and I will see what I can find in terms of statments made prior to the truth. I would just love to see those samples.

There were also 2 prior children that also came forward and told police he had molested them. So there is no doubt.

So.... It was early in the investigation.... Cops brought this guy in and were asking him about his involvement in this rape and murder....

Below is the limited part of that conversation that I have been able to find. SITTON: Did you participate in any way in causing the death of that girl?BRUNN: No.SITTON: Do you know for sure who caused the death of that girl?BRUNN: No. In discussing the results of the polygraph test with Brunn, Sitton said, "I can see you're not doing good on this test. Those [last two] questions are really bothering me." "I promise you. I'll take the test again," Brunn replied. His voice was weak, and he was obviously nervous. "There's something on this that you're not telling us. Something that you're keeping to yourself. What is it you're holding back? Because we're going to solve this thing. It's just written all over you. Something's bothering you."“I'm not bothered at all”, Brunn replied"You haven't told the complete truth about everything.""I have," Brunn replied.

The GBI agent asked Brunn about having been accused of sexually fondling a young girl in Virginia: "You know what I'm talking about," he said. "I don't." "Remember, I said you had to be 100 percent truthful. I asked you [on the polygraph] if anyone made accusations. So what you have done is told me a lie. "They put things in that child's head. I'm a good person. I didn't do nothing to that little spanish girl, and I didn't do nothing to the other girl [the one in Virginia].

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LINK WHERE I GOT THE ABOVE STATEMENT http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2012/03/jorelys-rivera-murder-case-polygraph-as.html

I would love if you would do a post for those of us still learning about SA and those on the fence about how reliable it was (not me of course I belive it in it).

I think it would help to see some SA on a case we know the person was lying and what they were lying about.

Since most the time, were told that a statment shows "deception" or "sensitivity" I figured a case where we later knew the facts, that would help us see how SA is very reliable.

I have been trying to find cases where I was able to get some statements that were done prior to knowing the truth. And not just that the person was "convicted" (since there have been cases where someone was wrongly convicted) but knew WITH OUT A DOUBT they were in fact the guilty party.

Ideally someone that later confessed.

I finally found one, but the statements are brief. At least that I have been able to find.

I think this would make an excellent post if you feel the statements below would be enough to highlight some deception. If not, I will gladly do some more searching either for more statements in this case, or another one where guilt is know whith out a doubt.

Anyone else that may have a case where the person lied at first then later did finally admit to it, reply here with the name and I will see what I can find in terms of statments made prior to the truth. I would just love to see those samples.

There were also 2 prior children that also came forward and told police he had molested them. So there is no doubt.

So.... It was early in the investigation.... Cops brought this guy in and were asking him about his involvement in this rape and murder....

Below is the limited part of that conversation that I have been able to find. SITTON: Did you participate in any way in causing the death of that girl?BRUNN: No.SITTON: Do you know for sure who caused the death of that girl?BRUNN: No. In discussing the results of the polygraph test with Brunn, Sitton said, "I can see you're not doing good on this test. Those [last two] questions are really bothering me." "I promise you. I'll take the test again," Brunn replied. His voice was weak, and he was obviously nervous. "There's something on this that you're not telling us. Something that you're keeping to yourself. What is it you're holding back? Because we're going to solve this thing. It's just written all over you. Something's bothering you."“I'm not bothered at all”, Brunn replied"You haven't told the complete truth about everything.""I have," Brunn replied.

The GBI agent asked Brunn about having been accused of sexually fondling a young girl in Virginia: "You know what I'm talking about," he said. "I don't." "Remember, I said you had to be 100 percent truthful. I asked you [on the polygraph] if anyone made accusations. So what you have done is told me a lie. "They put things in that child's head. I'm a good person. I didn't do nothing to that little spanish girl, and I didn't do nothing to the other girl [the one in Virginia].

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LINK WHERE I GOT THE ABOVE STATEMENT http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2012/03/jorelys-rivera-murder-case-polygraph-as.html

OT: Update in the Levon Wameling case. A large scale search of a field and wooded area behind the Marcy, NY fire house is underway. Marcy is about 7 miles from Utica, where baby Levon was reported missing. This is a joint operation by the Utica Police, NY State Police, FBI and DEC using ground searchers, dogs, and helicopters. Authorities are saying only that they have "information" that led them to this area.

Mr. Hyatt,Please consider posting the IP numbers and MAC addresses of the trolls that exhibit their Borderline Personality Disorder and malignant narcissism symptoms on your site. Some of us would really enjoy investigating them. With their IP number, we can find their precise latitude and longitude. With this info, we can go through tax records and utilities and find their names. With this info we can find their criminal records, spouses' names, friends' Facebook pages, children's Facebook pages, employers (if they actually work and aren't on mental disability), relatives, and etc...

Your welCome lemon :0) BUT If the threats continue from the post above you ill continue to use a proxy server and bombard the TURD!!!! WHY OH WHY DO INTERNET DWEEBS SUCH AS "HIM"RESORT TO FEEBLE TURDY "THREATS"? LOL HES A FEEBLE WEAK KNOB JOCKY WHOS STRANGE AND WEARS WEIRD GLASSES.

Ok it looks like the toddlers found the big book of naughty words. Can their parents please collect them from kindergarten and make them have a nap, they get cranky when tired or from not having their milk and cookies and then they bother us. It is tiresome having to correct spelling and grammar plus i am running out of red ink.

These are not toddler trolls. 1) They are alcoholic pot smoking dope addicts who are proud of themselves. 2) Some could be those Peter has offended by rejecting and deleting their otherwise good posts who simply questioned or offered opinions that did not agree with his own.

well REK, i explained it all quite well about a month ago, but it was deleted rather quickly, probably by his wife.....but Peter uses this blog to whine, rage and rant about the things that "bother" him. this one is showing how he has lost all hope, faith in the system. he is now falling into a great depressed state. go ahead and have that drink bub, you deserve it.lol, dude when you are wrong... you are wrong. suck it up.

i do believe that if he had access to all posters I.P. numbers, should he breach their privacy and tell anyone those I.P.s... i think he would be paying of law suits for the rest of his life after he gets out of prison.

@REK said... well REK, i explained it all quite well about a month ago, but it was deleted rather quickly, probably by his wife.....but Peter uses this blog to whine, rage and rant about the things that "bother" him. this one is showing how he has lost all hope, faith in the system. he is now falling into a great depressed state. go ahead and have that drink bub, you deserve it.lol, dude when you are wrong... you are wrong. suck it up. ___________________________________________________

he wont admit to being wrong. look, now he is trying to blame the casey Anthony jury for his failed statement analysis hobby.

Peter must be on vacation of sorts...unless he clears out the summer trolls, he's not going to have comments from his interested and serious readers. What's the point when the little junior high illiterates take over a blog?

Come on Peter. You've always been fair in letting people disagree with you on some point, but brain dead trolls are just here to ruin the blog. It's a hobby.

Anonymous said... Peter must be on vacation of sorts...unless he clears out the summer trolls, he's not going to have comments from his interested and serious readers. What's the point when the little junior high illiterates take over a blog?

Come on Peter. You've always been fair in letting people disagree with you on some point, but brain dead trolls are just here to ruin the blog. It's a hobby***Sorry Anon....Peter's interested readers are now a minority here.... on this troll dominated blog of statement analysis. The evidence has spoken....statement analysis is for trolls. No serious attitudes needed. Take a hike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By leaving all the childish comments, Peter may be offering an exercise in focus or some other relevant quality needed to be good at statement analysis. If I allow the ridiculousness on this blog to prevent me from commenting then I've locked myself into a battle with an extremely immature mentality. Peter has asked that we ignore the trolls, so lets! :-) Transcend the Trolls....

~ABC said... By leaving all the childish comments, Peter may be offering an exercise in focus or some other relevant quality needed to be good at statement analysis. If I allow the ridiculousness on this blog to prevent me from commenting then I've locked myself into a battle with an extremely immature mentality. Peter has asked that we ignore the trolls, so lets! :-) Transcend the Trolls....

ABC -- which one is it? Pick one!

An exercise in focusing/analyzing the trolls comments (a relevant quality needed in SA) OR ignore the trolls? You suggested both --

You know its sad that she had to go that way such a young beautiful little girl it discusts me that law inforcement isnt going to the end of the world and back to find her killer i mean noone is fighting for her justice!!!!!!!!