<quoted text>Why is intelligence necessary for these?<quoted text>I disagree: all I am saying is that universe B works via the known laws of physics and chemistry. Those laws produce the life we see around us. Why is an intelligence required?

Then show us how the "known laws of physics and chemistry" produced self-replicating life.

I say it doesn't work so well with "known laws".

And that's even letting you off the hook that the Big Bang Theory doesn't even coincide perfectly with "the known laws of physics and chemistry", as acknowledged by cosmological scientists.

What it does fit is a giant conspiracy of forces to produce the human mind.

Think of it as a the mind of man climbing all the steps on the ladder of knowledge, then when he gets to the top, he finds himself.

<quoted text>I think you miss the larger picture. Neither Universe A or B could exist without an extremely intelligent life-form (God). The level of complexity and order we see in this physical reality demands an explanation that science cannot give.

False.

An omniscient being cannot exist in our universe.

Proof? Quantum mechanics shows that events cannot have an observer, to work at that level.

Gods are omniscient-- which would destroy the universe, by collapsing everything due to observer-effects.

[QUOTE who="KJV"]<quoted text>"No, we do NOT know there is a God. If anything, it seems an extremely unlikely scenario."And the better scenario? Nothing exploding to create everything? Ya that's a good one. Oh ya how about rain falling on rocks for millions and millions of years to create life. I like that one too.Of course there is always plants evolving in to plant eating animals to fall back on.I know how badly you want to be an ape so ill let you drift back into your dream world now.[/QUOTE]

<quoted text>The ability to learn-- you lost that a long, long time ago.Religious faith (brain damage) is the cause, too.

LOL... Let's see, I've been out all day having fun, riding horses and such. I just got home... What did you do 'all' day today? Oh Wait! That's right you've been here... Now Bob, who's the brain damaged one, hhmmmm???

<quoted text>LOL... Let's see, I've been out all day having fun, riding horses and such. I just got home... What did you do 'all' day today? Oh Wait! That's right you've been here... Now Bob, who's the brain damaged one, hhmmmm???

Look at the times of my posts-- it takes me about an hour-- I read as fast as I type, and I skip 90% of you mindless, brain-damaged preachings.

So it take me little time.

But I suspect you weren't so much >riding< the horses, as you were sitting somewhere imaginary.

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