Gary Numan Digest Sun, 29 Oct 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 86
Today's Topics:
Car Stickers
Chart Position?
Check out RollingStone.com: Artists: Gary Numan
Gary Numan Digest V2 #85
Hello Again
I am waiting too...
It's the cloud whiner again!!
NIN Tribute
Numan in german press
Oh boy a quiz
OT Tape cover
Phil Collins and Replicas !
Shepherds Bush, April 2000
spittin' FIRE, dude, it's THE NUGE
US Pure sales
Waiting for US Release
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:58:40 +0100
From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk
Subject: Car Stickers
To: Gary Numan
Here on my car
There's no stickers at all;
They got scrapped with my old one,
It drives me up the wall,
On cars.
Here in my car
I know Im starting to think about
Getting new stickers
Anyone know where?
For cars?
Paddy Vickers
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:54:03 +0100
From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk
Subject: Chart Position?
To: Gary Numan
Is it correct that PURE came into the
UK album charts at #58, exactly the
same position as in Germany? Can
anyone who has access to such information
keep us in touch as to its chart progress
- or lack of it?
Pity if Jonathan Ross did not like the
album. I DO! This one will SELL, but it
will take time for people to hear it from
others, or tracks played on the radio, etc.
Older members of the record-buying public
will take time to get over their prejudices...
Paddy Vickers
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:11:03 EDT
From: Psgifford@aol.com
Subject: Check out RollingStone.com: Artists: Gary Numan
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
Click here: RollingStone.com: Artists: Gary Numan
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:42:26 -0500
From: Gerald Vick
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #85
To: 'Gary Numan'
No Brad from St. Louis...there are at least two others.
for the record,
Tricky......in Tennessee
> ------------------------------
>
.Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 07:11:02 -0500
.From: Brad LaVoise
.Subject: Question - Am I The Only One ?
.To: Numan Digest
.Am I the only US fan who is waiting for the US release of Pure on
.November 7th.
.From what I read on the most recent digest leads to believe the
answer
.is yes.
.I understand that is has been awhile between Exile and now Pure.
But
.surely a month wait could have been tolerated.
.The real question is, for the US fans who bought the UK release of
Pure,
.which I understand entered the UK charts at 58.
.Will you buy the US release of Pure to help out whatever chart
position
.it may enter at? Maybe, just maybe if more albums of Pure are sold
here
.in the states, just maybe the next tour could visit more cities
than the
.Exile tour did. From what was said on the Sun Online
.interview/questions, is that the next US tour will not be until
March
.2001.
.Oh well, enough of this rant, tirade or whatever.
.Patiently waiting for the US release of Pure
.Brad
.St. Louis, MO
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:09:50 -0700
From: Michael Tressler
Subject: Hello Again
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
First off, I'd like to say that I'm not very proud of the message I
posted a couple weeks ago where I insulted Matthew Roberts just about
every way I could think of. True, I was angry about an insult he hurled
at me, but I had a chance to take the high-road by tempering my response
(and thus show that conservatives can be and usually are nice people),
and I didn't do it. So, my sincere apologies to Matthew. I don't think
his original insult was appropriate but neither was my lengthy response.
I want to respond to some things from Ben's letter of reply. Be advised:
many parts of this letter stray off the topic of Gary. You have been
warned.
> I think there's a value in having a diversity of opinions. Stick around and share yours. It'll be a better Digest for it.
I may resubscribe later. I must admit it's nice not having to constantly
try to catch up on digest reading as I'm usually about 5 to 10 issues
behind. Besides, I'd rather not scroll through dozens of "Pure" reviews.
I'll wait until I can buy the CD myself and formulate interpretations.
> Why did no one else on the digest read my statement the way you did?
> I did. I just decided not to respond.
I'm sorry that my original statement was so vague that more than one
person saw it completely different from the way it was intended. I
thought it made sense; Gary rebukes what he thinks doesn't exist, but
that act (in my interpretation) implies an acknowledgement of the
possibility of that same existence. In no way did I say Gary believes in
God. I figured out that he doesn't believe long before I started reading
this digest.
> As a member of the non-believing minority, I think theists need to have some humility about they privelege they enjoy in our society.
Just want to point out that there is no shortage of bashing of
Judeo-Christian values on television, movies and all media in general.
> About Gary railing against god for not existing, I'd take that as
artistic expression. He believes there are no gods, but it's a familiar
enough concept in our culture, he answers back to it as if it did exist.
In literary terms it's called "reification," making something real that
does not exist. I don't think we can take it as evidence that he's
conceding the possibility of a god's existence.
I can. That's my personal interpretation of his lyrics. We can agree to
disagree here.
> I guess only atheists and homosexuals are allowed to say how they view Gary's lyrics.
> WHOA! Where'd THAT come from?
Meaning that those two groups have expressed how Gary's music and lyrics
have helped them through rough periods in their lives. And I'm glad for
that. But then a believer in God merely says "I think Gary does at least
concede the possibility" and, in a round-about way, is called G-damned
stupid. That hurts. There are a lot of names I could be called and just
shrug it off. Stupid happens to not be one of them.
> Look, I can say it's possible there is a god,
Thanks
> but I don't believe there is one. If I'm stating my beliefs, then, there is no god. Period.
Does that mean if I state my belief that there is a God, then there is a
God, period.?
I think i see your meaning, Ben. If you don't believe, then for you
personally there is no god. That's fine. But that doesn't make Him
nonexistent for us who believe, and I don't mean just in our own minds.
God is either there, or not. It's a 50-50 prospect. We're both just
taking our chances on different sides of the fence.
> ...just go back to your Thought-Police Baby-Killing Neo-Nazi Rally.
> OUCH! Uh, but the thought-police are actually a reactionary force, depriving the masses of the liberal right to freedom of thought and expression. They're a fictional force, but if we categorize them, they'd be on the right, not on the left. Same with the Neo-Nazis; they're reactionaries, not liberals. Right, not left.
I strongly beg to differ here! By reactionary force, I assume you mean
an anti-government group. It's true that the Right favors smaller, less
intrusive government. So by definition anti-government groups are called
right-wing extremists (I want to add that the left has their share of
extremists as well). Conservatives believe just as much in freedom of
thought and expression. When we on the right think "thought police" we
are talking about the politically-correct crowd; the ones who say you
can't say or do or think a certain way because it offends people, the
ones trying to make crimes out of actual thoughts (as in the push for
hate-crimes legislation, when the thought behind the action is as much a
crime as the action itself. Calling Mr. Orwell...). And the Nazis? Well
they seized every gun in Germany when Hitler rose to power, which is
what the Left want to do in America. Communism, Socialism and Naziism
are certainly for Big-Government control and very little individual
freedoms. That's how the Left stands, not the Right.
> Get it... well, correct, not right: we're Pinko Commie-Symp Baby-Killing Tree-Hugging Welfare-Mother-Coddling Ralliers. Make sure you've got us at the appropriate rally.
I assume this statement was made tongue-in-cheek (please no dirty
jokes). But it would be a shame to think that you are even partially
proud to attach a some of those labels to yourself, especially the
baby-killing one. You seem like such a kind and loving person, Ben, why
can't you extend that kind of affection to the most innocent and
helpless people of all, the unborn? I'm hoping "Prayer for the Unborn"
echoes that sentiment. Perhaps Gary, in trying to have a child, has
placed a newfound respect and value on those unborn children. I can't
say as I don't have the album yet, all I can do is just hope. In closing
this segment, we should realize that fetuses (babies) are the result of
parents' actions, whether those actions were taken responsibly or
irresponsibly. A child's life should not be snuffed out because two
people refuse to take responsibility for their actions. That, to me, is
the highest form of cowardice. (note: please don't e-mail me with
arguments about rape and incest. Even as a pro-lifer, i believe a woman
should have a choice in those cases, and those cases only.)
> Be the change you want to create in the world, as Mahatma Ghandi said.
I just tried to be.
Mike
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:48:28 -0500
From: "PHILIP JACOBSON"
Subject: I am waiting too...
To: "Gary Numan Digest"
In the last digest, Brad of
St. Louis, MO wrote:
>>Am I the only US fan who is waiting for the US release of Pure on
November 7th?
No, you are not. I will buy my copy from a place called Ernie November, one
of the last independent music stores in my area. If they have it.
Otherwise, off to Best Buy.
>>Maybe, just maybe if more albums of Pure are sold here
in the states, just maybe the next tour could visit more cities than the
Exile tour did. From what was said on the Sun Online
interview/questions, is that the next US tour will not be until March
2001.
A-freaken-men to that. I would have had to drive a fourth of the continent
to see the man. If he doesn't hit Minneapolis Mn this time around, I will
be sorely bummed.
>>Patiently waiting for the US release of Pure.
I am waiting too. The Radiohead release sort of let me down, so I hope Pure
will wow me like it has so many others on the digest.
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 21:18:41 +0100
From: "brendan colton"
Subject: It's the cloud whiner again!!
To:
Hi there,
Apparently I put a downer on the recent digest with my whine about the
excess 'cloudage' in the CD booklet. Apologies if this applied to you, dear
reader. However, I DON'T correlate the booklet with "how good the album is"
(John) ... in fact I stated that I felt that 'Pure' was the best since
'Replicas', in my humble opinion. We all have differing ideas on the music,
the packaging, how something or other could have been different....in an
ideal world. Surely the digest IS an ideal world, allowing me to say "If
only..." once in a while. It also has the advantage of allowing others to
disagree, and we all welcome healthy debate (I hope..). Therefore, I welcome
your opinion John.
'Replicas' was the highlight of the night for me.
Love , Asylum5.
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:07:48 +0100
From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk
Subject: NIN Tribute
To: Gary Numan
Dear all,
When you get your copy/copies of PURE,
it will be easy to spot that Gary has
put in an apparent tribute to Trent
Reznor. Right in the middle of MY JESUS
there is a NINesque bit, which lyrically
seems to have nothing to do with the song.
I can only see it as an abvious
acknowledgement to the direction that
Trent Reznor has helped Gary to take.
Of course, before anyone tells me, I know
that Trent Reznor was listening to TELEKON
at the time he did PRETTY HATE MACHINE.
Reznor says *That record is so ******* cold*.
Listen to the music when Gary sings
Helpless we cried over you.
Empty and lost over you.
My blood runs cold at that bit...
And while I am rambling, was it Joeri Peters,
or somebody who said that they cried when they
listened to the new album. LITTLE INVITRO
made me cry the first few times I heard it,
and I am English!!!! (Stiff upper lip, what?)
And the middle pasrt of LISTEN TO MY VOICE
brings tears to my ears because the whole
thing is just so **wonderful**!
Ramble mode off.
Paddy Vickers
P.S. As always, the Tiktok Man is spot on,
with every word of his concert report.
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Date: 27 Oct 2000 23:00:44 -0000
From: pure_numan@llesklar.de
Subject: Numan in german press
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
Their are currently two 2-pages interviews in the german dark wave-magazines "Orkus" and "Sonic Seducer". The interview in "Sonic Seducer" was the one, that Gary has gave via telephon last month (see NuWorld).
www.pure-numan.de
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:13:21 -0700
From: "Mike Batchelor"
Subject: Oh boy a quiz
To: "Gary Numan"
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Hey dudes
Who can guess which two songs I'm thinking of that have (or sound like) =
"Numan" in the lyrics. I doubt it is actually "Numan" that is being =
said, that's why I willn't disappoint myself by looking at the lyrics =
sheet. Give it a shot!!!!! If you guess 'em right I will consider you =
"my big buddy". Thanks
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Who can guess which two songs I'm = thinking of that=20 have (or sound like) "Numan" in the lyrics. I doubt it is actually = "Numan" that is being said, that's why I willn't disappoint myself = by=20 looking at the lyrics sheet. Give it a shot!!!!! If you = guess 'em=20 right I will consider you "my big buddy". =20 Thanks
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:32:53 -0500
From: Mark Hubbard
Subject: OT Tape cover
To: Numan Digest
Hello all,
Just curious. Is there anyone out there, that knows of a program or web
site that has a template for making cassette tape covers? When I buy
CDs, I make tapes for my car. Instead of my illegible handwriting, I
usually make covers here on my PC, but I do it a rough way. I scan the
blank tape cover, then build in the graphics. I was just wondering if
anyone knew of a good template for Word or Wordperfect or similar.
Thanks
Mark Hubbard
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:48:40 +0100
From: "russ"
Subject: Phil Collins and Replicas !
To: "Gary Numan"
Dear Transactoid,
yeah,that was my message and it's been haunting for nearly 20 years !!!!! I
still remember seeing the video for the first time and thought how could
Collins get away with nicking our Gary's visions ??? Glad someone else is on
the same planet as me !For all those who have never seen the "Something In
The Air " video,you'll probably catch it on 1 of the satellite
channels-classic tracks,check it out ,you will be amazed by the
similarities. Also,with reference to Jonathan Woss,the man has been and
always will be a complete wanker.Him and his brother always seem to say
something controversial so people can be reminded who they are.The world can
carry on without those 2 tossers but not without Gary 's
contribution.Warhol's
words of 15 minutes of fame apply to the Ross bros. and they had their 15
minutes spread over 15 years !!!!!!! So ,if anyone has any info about the
Collins/replicas ,please share it !
PURE genius,PURE xtc,one of the greatest albums of all time
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Russ
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:55:40 +0100
From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk
Subject: Shepherds Bush, April 2000
To: Gary Numan
Can anyone who went to the Shepherds Bush
concert in April confirm that Gary performed
WALKING WITH SHADOWS? I did not know the
titles of the new songs he performed.
Or is there a website with all the set lists
on?
Paddy Vickers
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:26:25 -0700
From: alecw
Subject: spittin' FIRE, dude, it's THE NUGE
To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU
hey gesters,
so, i keep checking out the spitfire records page
(spitfirerecords.com/news.html) and not only is bowie quoted (re:- our
gary numan) as saying,"nothing will alter the fact that I think he has
written a couple of the finest things in british pop music," but his
label mates are quite a bunch. they seem to include a healthy dose of
aging metal and rock guys from the '70s (alice cooper, ted nugent,
yngwie j. malmsteen) and some aging metalpop guys from the '80s (enuff
z'nuf and l.a. guns). actually i guess this kind of cool and thinking
on it coop could be considered '70s goth rock so that fits in with
gary's plan of attack since the mid-'90s. then there's OHGR (featuring
"ogre," the singer from skinny puppy) of course gary packs the gear to
be on the same list as people like alice, ogre, yngwie and...THE NUGE.
numan and the nuge are label mates?! figgin' hell, mon!!! i remember
reading an interview with the nuge ages and ages ago. it was in a
teenage pop news magazine and so the obligatory questionaire thing was
included (the "favorite color" line of questions). what blew me away at
the time, though, was ted's answer to the "biggest fear" question. he
said "gary numan." i wonder what the solid american (some would say
racist, sexist, queer hatin', beer drinkin', cap wearin', gun ownin')
unabashed hunter of deer and other animals thinks about being labelmates
with "our gary." it all comes full circle, doesn't it? like the seasons
themselves.
hmmm...the words of that other "aethiest" british rock guy, andy
partridge (XTC), come to mind about now. indulge me, won't you?
"darlin' don't you ever stop and wonder/
'bout the clouds about the hail and thunder?/
about the baby and the umbilical?/
who's pushing the pedals in this season cycle?"
--andy partridge ("season cycle", XTC, "skylarking")
maybe the next numan album will feature "hand claps" and background
vocals by ted, alice, ogre, phil lewis, etc. and maybe a guitar solo
from malmsteen!!!
now, i've seen it all. no, i've got it, gary and axl rose singing a
duet. that would beat all.
actually, alice cooper "went numan" sort of in 1980 with his hit "we're
all clones" (seems to fit more today than in 1980) from the album "flush
the fashion."
what would kipper say to all of this? i bet kipper would be really into
it.
onward through the fog!
--a.w.
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:34:19 EDT
From: DCGaySLP@aol.com
Subject: US Pure sales
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
In a message dated 10/26/2000 3:10:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
digest@garynumanfan.nu writes:
<< Will you buy the US release of Pure to help out whatever chart position
it may enter at? Maybe, just maybe if more albums of Pure are sold here
in the states, just maybe the next tour could visit more cities than the
Exile tour did. From what was said on the Sun Online
interview/questions, is that the next US tour will not be until March
2001. >>
I for one will certainly be buying the US version of Pure mainly for the
difference in cover art which makes it collectible to me..........similar
reason why I bought the US version of Exile for the "bonus" live
track...........I hope all the US fans who invested in a UK copy of Pure will
do the same :)
Rick in DC (who was one lucky fella to have his question answered in the Sun
online interview w/ Gary :)
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:17:50 -0700
From: Pythoness
Subject: Waiting for US Release
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu (Gary Numan)
I'm waiting, because right now isn't a good time for me to buy two copies
of the same CD, since I'm broke, in debt, and my stocks are way down, and
I'm desirous of buying a house.
I *am* waiting, and it's DAMNED HARD.
Moreover I'm sore because *I* couldn't go to Brixton.
Sulking,
zg
Pestmaster (zigi@ravenland.com)
Ziggy's House O' Vermin
http://www.ravenland.com/index.htm/index.htm
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"You gotta kinda drift through the albinos like they was bunches of
sunflowers."
--Rather Random Person Overheard at Kiva
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