Did you even bother to read what Voyeur wrote? Because you're just saying the same thing over and over again.

You're falling way too hard for the trap of equating correlation with causation. There are a lot more reasons for our 3-0 start (Dudley finally becoming the player we expected him to be, the team continuing to learn Doc's defensive system, not playing Mullens) than just playing Crawford. 3 games isn't a good sample size, anyway.

The team did a 180 in respects to losing to teams like the Cavaliers and Hawks. The current starting lineup won't get us far against Western playoff teams that don't have key players injured.

You're so quick to forget that in those early days with JJ, we were all complaining about DEFENSE, not offense, and that was because the team was still learning the system. With JJ, we had one of the best offenses in the NBA, not to mention a guy who actually defends, unlike Crawford. Crawford is a great bandaid solution for now, but come playoff time, we won't go as far with him starting as we will when Doc puts JJ back in the starting lineup.

Our defense has improved because the team is getting better in Doc's system, not just because of the addition of one player. As Voyeur said, the team gives up more points per 100 possession with Crawford than with JJ. But feel free to continue ignoring that because Crawford's isolations look pretty.

If Crawford's shot isn't falling, he's pretty useless as well. The only reason you have him out there is scoring. Crawford tends to isolate way too much, while with Reddick, the ball keeps moving. The more the ball moves, the more the rest of the team gets involved, and the less likely you'll have breakdowns on offense and defense. Isos like Crawford's look great, but they tend to take everyone else out of the game.

Isolation players are fool's gold. When a iso player's shot isn't falling, he's pretty much useless. When Carmelo Anthony or Rudy Gay aren't shooting well, they're just about useless. Crawford isn't quite as bad as those two, but his only value is scoring.

JJ sets screens. JJ has amazing off the ball movement that keeps the defender running after him. JJ is why we were able to win games against the Warriors, Rockets, and Wolves despite the team only beginning to learn Doc's defensive system. You know, our best wins that we never would've had without JJ's offense.

Doc will put him back in the starting lineup where he can contribute in a variety of ways as soon as he's healthy, while Crawford will move back to the bench, where he can focus on what he does best: scoring.

To say that JJ Reddick is "just a spot-up shooter" smacks of so much disrespect and disdain for his game and what he brings to this team.

Even if JJ is just a spot-up shooter, you then definitely don't want him coming off the bench with a point guard who is currently more of a scorer than faciliatator. No, he should be with the best facilitator in the game in that case. But as I've said before, he isn't "just a spot-up shooter".

With JJ's skills, Dudley finally hitting shots, and the whole team getting better at Doc's defensive system, this team will be a championship contender. Knee-jerk reactions to a three game sample size will not get us there.

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12/19/2013 - 06:19 PM PST

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I read what every has wrote. I keep saying the same thing because

it's what needs to be said.

The difference between Carmelo, Rudy gay, and Crawford is

neither of those guys have the playmaking and passing ability

crawford has.

Crawford isn't just an ISO player. That's a STIGMA. I have watched

every game this season except one, and he is doing a lot more

than just being an "ISO" player. And if you have watched the games you

will agree.

How did he get 31-7-12 if he is "Just" an ISO player.

There is a reason Dwayne Wade started over Ray Allen last year.

Ray Allen and JJ have primarily the same role at this point. Catch

and shoot.

Crawfords penetration and playmaking ability is similar to D. Wade.

Which is why he should start.

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12/19/2013 - 06:40 PM PST

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^You make fair points but D Wade starts over Ray Allen because he is the better player.... Not because of penetration or playmaking ability. If anything Ray Allen is easily the better fit with Lebron.

Also please don't compare Crawford to D Wade. Even a washed up Wade is on another level....

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12/19/2013 - 06:50 PM PST

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Seems like most of your posts are very trollish, condescending, and juvenile. You seem to always take jabs at people over discussions that happened days, or even weeks ago. Seems like you don't let things go easily so you resort to these types of comments. Very subtle but they're not overlooked. Carry on...

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12/19/2013 - 06:57 PM PST

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Well, I'm not sure what more I can say. JJ's had poor shooting nights, yet still contributed by keeping defenses honest with his movements, thus keeping the offense in motion. Playing solid D. And to be honest, JC can make contributions when his shot's not going also.

And if it's a matter of who's better one on one, JC vs JJ, JC wins every time. I'm pretty sure JC can beat just about anybody one on one. It's just that's not necessarily the best for team chemistry.

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12/19/2013 - 07:23 PM PST

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This is what I mean when I say people have it in there heads what Crawford is no matter what actually happens on the court

I Have already posted that the defensive numbers with Crawford in the starting lineup are essentially the same. I posted last years numbers as well to show that this underlying theory that because JJ was brought in it means Crawford was bad simply is not true.

You are ignoring the numbers as well

If Crawfords shot is not falling he is useless? Jamal passes and handles the ball just fine and he is an outstanding at feeding the post from both sides of the floor.

Last night the first play of the game a Crawford back screen freed up Dudley for a layup and even though his shot was off he got to the ft lineup and made 10-11

We won the Rockets and the Warriors games because of JJ AND Jamal and at the time JJ went out both he and jamal averaged the same amount of points with Jamal having higher fg and 3pt percentages than JJ.

I think JJ should start when he returns but it has nothing to do with him being better because so far in Doc Rivers system both guys have been highly effective as starters on BOTH ENDS. I think JJ should start because quite frankly it will be much easier for jamal to fit in with the bench than JJ

Collison doesn't pass and so JJ to be effective needs to be in with the starters to be most effective. We will still see the 3 guard lineup of CP,JJ,and Jamal in the 4th quarter anyway.

Doc is getting a good look at Collison and I think when everyone gets healthy he will be used in a specialist role.

I wouldn't be surpised to see Jamal,Willie,Barnes,Sjax ,Odom at times with Bullock thrown in there and Collison used against super speedy backups or for foul trouble

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12/19/2013 - 07:26 PM PST

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Those are some good points. JJ is a deadly shooter, but Jamal's ability to create his own shot does take some pressure off CP3. Like you said, that also allows Collison to play the true PG role with JJ as SG off the bench.

Plus I can't really see either JJ or Jamal making too big a deal about who starts. They both average 28 minutes per game. This may be a bit skewed since Jamal has been playing more since JJ went down, but it seems like they were both getting the same amount of playing time even before that.

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12/19/2013 - 07:31 PM PST

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I read what every has wrote. I keep saying the same thing because
it's what needs to be said.
The difference between Carmelo, Rudy gay, and Crawford is
neither of those guys have the playmaking and passing ability
crawford has.
Crawford isn't just an ISO player. That's a STIGMA. I have watched
every game this season except one, and he is doing a lot more
than just being an "ISO" player. And if you have watched the games you
will agree.
How did he get 31-7-12 if he is "Just" an ISO player.
There is a reason Dwayne Wade started over Ray Allen last year.
Ray Allen....

Since Jamal can beat most guards off the dribble, we're wasting his abilities in a way by putting him against the other team's second unit. The chances are he can get by his defender whether it's against a starter or backup.

I can actually see JJ benefitting more from playing against second units.

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12/19/2013 - 07:39 PM PST

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How did the idea that Collison is better without JC become consensus? There's literally no evidence of that. Aside from one or two moments of good play maybe (he IS a good player, after all), his overall numbers are not good in the last 3 games.

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12/19/2013 - 07:47 PM PST

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That would break rhythm, if not the whole league would set lineups game by game. You never want to be the team reacting to what other teams do, we want to make opponents react to you.

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12/19/2013 - 08:04 PM PST

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You are proving my point. CRAWFORD HAS PLAYMAKING ABILITY. Doc Rivers even said when he got to the clippers he didn't realize how good of a passer Crawford was.

Crawfords assists would be higher if he played with the starters. His role is to come off the bench, iso, and score. Mainly because no one else can really score off the bench. So his assist wouldn't reflect his ability in that role.

Again Crawford's slashing and playmaking ability is similar to D. Wade's. Not saying he is as good as D. Wade, but he isn't as far off as you make it seem.

Go back and watch the replay of the last 3 games.

The biggest threat is when Crawford brings the ball up the floor, Paul plays off the ball, catches it 13-15ft from the basket, and Griffin comes on the pick and roll.

Without crawford in the game Paul has to bring the ball up court and run the pick and roll near the 3pt line.

Though Crawford doesn't record an assist in that scenario, it's his PLAYMAKING ABILITY which allows that play to be set up.

Things like this is what I understand about basketball that many people don't. Which is why bringing up stats doesn't tell the whole story. If you watch the games there is a reason I am saying putting Crawford in the starting line-up has impacted the game tremendously.

It's not all about the numbers.

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12/19/2013 - 08:37 PM PST

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You said 3 things in that post where you instantly lost all your credibility.

1st you said Jamal's "playmaking ability" would benefit our other starters, besides the fact that being a good passer doesn't mean you're instantly a good playmaker, you do realize we have the best playmaker in the NBA already on our team, right? I'm sure Chris would much rather have a teammate who can get open and receive his pass than a player who has 1/10th of the ability to make plays as Chris himself.

2nd is that you said Jamal's playmaking and slashing is similar to D Wade's....smh Dwyane Wade is one of the greatest slashing guards to ever play the game and even with his advanced age and bad knee's he's still light years ahead of Jamal in both playmaking and slashing....it's honestly not similar at all.

3rd and most important is that you said you understand basketball more than most people. I don't know if your ego is the size of Texas or what, but that's one of the laziest attempts at debating that I've ever heard.

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12/19/2013 - 08:45 PM PST

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Btw, I didn't start this thread. The mod,probably took my observation from last night's game into a new thread.

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12/19/2013 - 08:59 PM PST

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If you don't know how having a second playmaker outside of chris paul will help an offense then I really can't have an intelligent argument with you. But here's a hint... Go back and watch the replay of the Heat vs Clippers game and watch what happens when they trap Chris Paul immediately... Then come back to this thread.

Comparing Crawfords slashing ability to D. Wade's loses credibility? Do you know what slashing ability means? You do realize Crawford has one of the best dribbles in basketball, which is what makes him a great slasher.

Well go back to the Spurs vs Clippers thread. Everyone saying how the clippers were going to lose. blah blah. I came in and said with Crawford starting we would win Easily. And guess what? We did?

Am I a prophet? No. I understand basketball and match-ups and already knew the spurs weakness was our strengths.

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12/19/2013 - 09:22 PM PST

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LOL

Oh yeah I forgot, the second Jamal came in they stopped doubling Chris. C'mon man are you being serious? trust me, I'm taking your "hints" with extreme seriousness and you are still coming off as very pretentious. Maybe I'm doing it wrong idk.

I'm not even gonna touch this one....Jamal can drive, that's not the same as slashing to the hoop at will.

Once again we've got a Pretentious Paul over here, you guessed that we'd win a game. I don't think it has to do with your vast knowledge of the game which is clearly un-matched by any other human in existence.

Just some fun facts, then I'll be done for the night..........probably:

Darren Collison last 3 games with Crawford on the 2nd team:

-13 points a game, 52% FG, 3 assists, 1.3 steals (3-0)

Daren Collison last 3 games with Crawford starting:

-10 points a game, 37% FG, 1 assist, 1.3 steals (3-0)

Seems like Collison played pretty well with Crawford on the 2nd team...

Jamal Crawford last 3 games on 2nd team:

-17.3 points a game, 44% FG

Jamal Crawford last 3 games starting:

-17 points a game, 33% FG

On that note...

JJ Redick last 3 games starting (including injury):

-16 points, 56% FG, 36% 3 PT

Average score last 3 games with Jamal starting: 112-95

Average score last 3 games with JJ starting: 104-87

Okay, so WAY too small a sample size, but just tossing it out there!

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12/19/2013 - 10:04 PM PST

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Being the best player on the second unit, is a lot easier a job than being the 4th best player on the first unit.

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12/19/2013 - 10:24 PM PST

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Collison is basically a super fast smallish SG. I think we are seeing why the Mavs brought in MIKE JAMES to start over him. Its because he can't run a team

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12/19/2013 - 10:28 PM PST

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Right? If anything, he and JC should make for a very potent combo once they really get accustomed to each other. I think we were already seeing growth before Redick went down.

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12/19/2013 - 10:59 PM PST

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Over Collison's career, he's averaged 11.7 pts and 5 assists in 28.5 mpg. He's only playing 17 min a game this season so I think he's having troubles getting in a rhythm in shorter spurts of time. Since JC is a not a great catch and shoot player, it might help Collison to play with Redick, who's a better spot up shooter than JC. (I'm not saying JJ is merely a spot up shooter, he's just better than JC.)

Maybe putting JC in the starting lineup would throw off CP3 a tad bit, but I do think they're both good enough to work it out and put up points regardless. CP3 could also conserve some of his energy by not having always handle the ball.

Maybe Collison with Redick off the bench wouldn't be any better than Collison and Crawford off the bench, but I do think it would be worth testing out. I know Collison has been disappointing so far this season, but I do have faith that he will pick up his play soon. And maybe CP3 and JC in the starting lineup would be a disaster. Who really knows? It's all speculation.

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12/19/2013 - 11:19 PM PST

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was wondering. that was weird. my two comments from yesterday are in there, one of which has nothing to do with this.

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12/19/2013 - 11:35 PM PST

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I think this is more about Dudley and Collison than it is about Redick and Jamal. Reality is Redick and Jamal are going to produce in almost any situation. But the results in the past few games with Jamal moving to starting lineup has taken a lot of heat off Dudley. Coincidence or not, Dudley has been night and day better. On the other hand, getting Jamal off the 2nd team seems to be allowing Collison to attack a lot better and more often. He's a natural shoot first guard and now he can do that without Jamal demanding the ball every time down the court.

Collison and Jamal are both ball dominant attacking score first types. Redick and Dudley are both spot up shooters for the most part. Seems logical to mix those guys up so they don't overlap in what they're trying to do.

I look at it like we could maybe be a tiny bit worse on the first team but a lot better on the 2nd team, it's worth making the switch.

Seems weird to think about Jamal being a starter since he's the definition of 6th man but we also have to remember that Redick has always been the 6th man himself. This is his first starting gig in his career. It's not going to be a big deal for either of those guys and eventually all these conversations are not important because Vinny is somewhere doing local telecasts instead of running 5 for 5 substitutions each night. Doc is gonna mix it up all game and use his 5 best at the 4th.

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12/19/2013 - 11:39 PM PST

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I doubt Dudley playing well all of a sudden has to do with Crawford. The numbers he put the last three games are just the normal numbers he typically put up career wise. Heck I could just as easily say Dudley promising to play better caused he promised to play better on twitter. Really it probably has to do with him being healthier, getting out of his slump and getting more confidence.

Remember he was getting loads of open looks before as well. He just bricked most of them including open corner 3 shots....

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12/19/2013 - 11:55 PM PST

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I think Chris Paul does better not having to dominate the ball. It may seem weird but he looks more comfortable and our offense seems to flow better.

The fact that Dudley has been playing better does seem to be impacted not only by himself playing harder and more confident but also crawford drawing defenders. Also Blake and DJ have both been able to play solid and as pointed out collison looks better. I actually think it will impact reggie bullock positively as crawford rarely passed the ball to the other players when with the bench. Redick also adds another shooter to the bench which helps spread the floor when it's really needed. I like it all the way around.

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12/19/2013 - 11:58 PM PST

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I thought Mike Smith was saying that with Crawford on the floor, Dudley gets the oppositions third best perimeter defender, but it was a comparison to Green, not to Redick because with Redick on the floor, the same process happens.

So I don't know if that statement really has any barring on the discussion of who fits with the starters better. That discussion is fine, but in regards to Dudley's performance, especially since Dudley isn't a rookie or a new player and we've seen him in a couple of different team situations, it's hard to make a solid argument with the thinking that Dudleu remembered how to hit open shots and even contested ones because Jamal is now starting.

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12/20/2013 - 12:00 AM PST

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I guess I'm not done yet...

a) Are you guys just making this stuff up about Collison? I just provided stats that suggest Collison is absolutely NOT thriving with Crawford starting. This THEORY has no merit. And the sad fact is Collison was getting better before the change.

b) Since when does having two great shooters overlap ANYTHING? If anything, it opens things up much more for our guys inside. Plus one is more spot up. The other is more a runner off screens. So overlap should not be an issue. The only thing that was an issue was Dudley was missing wide open shots. Now he's not. That's all him and has absolutely nothing to do with whoever was playing the SG position.

c) It is not "worth the switch" because the offense was as close as we've gotten to a well oiled machine while Redick was in the starting lineup. And why fix something that ain't broken? Yes, the bench was terrible and our overall defense suffered for it. But the fact is the bench was improving steadily and so was the defense. It helps that Doc started using Jamison over Mullens, and it helps that Collison was finally showing up (again, BEFORE JJ went down).

You know it doesn't kill you for someone to have a different opinion then you right?

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12/20/2013 - 12:10 AM PST

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It's definitely not all about the numbers, but I'll take the numbers over a whole career over a three game sample size any day of the week. That you refuse to take his whole career stats into account shows astounding ignorance for someone who supposedly understands basketball more than many other people. I don't see why I can't pull his stats out when you use a three game sample size to say that Jamal Crawford is suddenly a playmaker he has never been throughout his career, even in the games where he has started.

BTW, although it is definitely a small sample size, Crawford's assist average over three games is...3.33. So about what he does off the bench. Again, small sample size, but looks no different than when he came off the bench. Relying on a three game sample size is what got the Knicks in the situation they're currently in.

This board is so knee-jerk. One minute, we all want to trade the whole team because of a supposed "lack of toughness", the next minute we want to start Jamal because you apparently can't have two shooters on the court at the same time, and then we have people demanding Blake Griffin be traded for Carmelo because...I don't even know why. After the next loss, we'll probably be demanding that Crawford gets traded for a backup big again.

Change for the sake of change won't get us anywhere but bounced out of the playoffs early again.

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12/20/2013 - 12:10 AM PST

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An opinion is one thing but the Collison argument is simply an invention.

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12/20/2013 - 01:03 AM PST

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I have to disagree with you. Yes, Collison may have started to play better with Jamal when JJ was still healthy, but that's a separate argument from how well the backcourt duo of Collison and JJ would play together. Again, this might not work, but if there was ever a time for Doc to experiment with the lineups it would be while the season is still somewhat young. Like Thedude was saying, JJ has been more of a role player off the bench in the past anyway.

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12/20/2013 - 01:10 AM PST

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Jj moves better without ball. Crawford is instant offense which we need for second unit. I'm hoping doc keeps jj the starter

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12/20/2013 - 01:38 AM PST

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You can research my post and find out I've been consistent with my views since before the season. Even when people who saying crazy things like "Trade Crawford".

I said DJ should not be traded, and was a superior center in this league.

I felt craword should have started over JJ from the beginning. JJ just doesn't have the skills Crawford gives.

Crawford is just as good and/or better off the ball the JJ. Watch the film. Crawford has been moving excellent off the ball when playing with paul.

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12/20/2013 - 01:41 AM PST

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In Jamal Crawfords best years as a player he's Averaged

20pts 5 ast once

17 pts 5 ast once

19 pts 4 ast twice

17 pts 4 ast twice

that's just a small sample size of his career.

J.J his best year in Phx/Orlando

15pts 4 ast

other than that it's

12 pts 2 ast or 10 pts 1 ast

this year with the clipers

15pts 2 ast

So lets not even try to debate who's better because men lie, women lie, but numbers don't and as far as play making goes

Jamal Crawford throughout his career is the typical Play making SG,

I'm not for or against either one, but it is nice to know when they Double CP3 that he could make a pass to his backcourt mate and he can be the one running the offense and get us a good shot, I'm not going to tell you who that man is, the numbers will. Since You people like numbers so much.

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12/20/2013 - 02:10 AM PST

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Ball movement wins games.. No ball hogs as starters...Enough said..

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12/20/2013 - 06:51 AM PST

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This debate has been debated long and hard and some have got annoyed with others which is usual for things we are passionate about. I think most of the permutations and lines of reasoning have been covered but until JJ is back we don't know how Doc will handle it. It will be interesting to see and as I said before, they are both great players so it is the type of problem you want to have on your team. Also if Jamal continues to start how is going to win 6th man of the year .

Matt should be back anytime now so that will change the dynamic of the bench.

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12/20/2013 - 09:42 AM PST

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That's true, great ball movement usually results in great offense. I'd just rather have great ball movement all game long. You never see guys pissed at Jamal. When he takes "bad shots" it's almost always either a bailout shot that somebody had to take (and there's nobody on our team better at such shots) or it's on the 2nd team where he feels like he's our only scoring option.

If Redick was on the 2nd team we'd have great ball movement all game instead of a totally different offense from the 1st to 2nd quarter.

The other point is that there is such a thing as too much ball movement. With Redick in the SL, we have 5 guys who are extremely unselfish to start the game. Guys pass up wide open shots to give their buddy a wide open shot. That doesn't happen with Jamal of course. If CP drives and kicks to him, you better believe he's taking the shot if he's open. Not the case with Dudley, Blake, CP, and a lot of times, even Redick.

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12/20/2013 - 09:53 AM PST

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I think this thread is stupid and I believe that its obvious that Willie Green is a better fit with the starters

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Quote:

"I just really wanted more spacing with the first group and with the second group," Rivers said. "I thought Chris was trying to do too much with that unit. He felt like with Willie [Green] and [Jared Dudley] he was the only ball-handler and that just spread it out."

Quote:

"Jamal and J.J. are obviously very different types of players," Blake Griffin said. "They can both score the ball but they're different types of players. It's good to have another ball-handler out there and somebody who can mix it up a little bit.

"You really don't even notice it because he's been in with the starters so many times."

As i said a couple of weeks ago. When you have Dudley AND Willie in the starting lineup all they do is grab a long rebound and throw it to CP so our fast break is non existent unless its initiated by CP

Even with JJ he was reluctant to push instead waiting to for CP

With Jamal he will push and if the lob is there he will throw it but we simply play at a much faster and active pace.

JJ has been terrific especially in the first quarters I have no issue with him starting because he brings something to the table my issue is with some of the reasons why he can't start which are just exaggerations

Jamal plays bad defense.

Jamal is a ballhog

Jamal can't come off screens

all Jamal does is iso's

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12/20/2013 - 10:11 AM PST

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actually you make a great point about the unselfish nature of our starters. especially with Chris Paul. I can honestly say that Chris looks very comfortable just being a passer, and he struggles offensively. perhaps with crawford in the lineup we won't have to rely on chris to provide offense. I would be willing to give this a

shot. if it doesn't work then we can just have JJ Redick back as the starter when he's healthy

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12/20/2013 - 10:51 AM PST

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Might as well try it out and see what happens. Can always go back to old rotations if it doesn't look good.

Bottom line is it's a great problem to have. They're different players but they're both valuable. Quite a luxury to know you're gonna get solid production from the 2guard spot for 48mins.

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12/20/2013 - 11:08 AM PST

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Wow, best combined team (players & coaches) I've seen since watching these guys play when I lived in vegas after they drafted my boy Elmore from UNLV.

However, I Have never seen so much end fighting...........

I think many made good points. Who cares who starts? I think one of the best posts I read was allowing Doc to make a game time decision depending on his superior knowledge. Looking at the small sampling analyis done on the games JJ started vs JC started looks to be identical in terms of margin of victory.

Now is a time to be extremely thankful for the (JMHO) best Clipper team ever.

Can't we all just get along?

#InDocwetrust

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12/20/2013 - 11:30 AM PST

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But if we know Jamal and DC was starting to work, and we ABSOLUTELY know the CP3-JJ combo was working. Why experiment at all? It makes no sense.

I loathe the argument that JJ should come of the bench because that's what he's done in the past. Did it dawn on anyone that maybe after all these years, the guy actually deserves to start? Maybe SVG should have started JJ after he impressed in the post season starting against Doc's Celtics a few years back. Seems every time SVG had to start JJ, he performed well. Jamal has had the opportunity to start in past seasons.

Doc sought out JJ and basically gave him the confidence to start for the Clippers and rather than shrink from that, JJ has fit right in and was having arguably his best all around season before the injury.

I doubt JJ would struggle off the bench, but we know now he's very effective starting for our team. We also know JC has thrived off the bench and is struggling with his offense in the starting lineup...at least for now.

What if Jamal is not the same guy starting and JJ is not as effective off the bench?

We'll all be wondering why the hell we played around with the lineup...

...well, MOST of us will be wondering. I have a feeling a couple of us will be making excuses as to why this was a good idea.

I get it. This argument has gone on WAY too long. I didn't really want to keep going with it. But I'm just a little stunned at the idea that we need to toy with our lineup. The idea that we NEED to make a change is ludicrous. Early on this season the only thing we NEEDED was for some players to play better. For our bench to get their act together. All of which was happening before JJ went down.

Silasie

12/20/2013 - 11:34 AM PST

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We all can argue all we like, but we all know that it is Doc's call. And I reckon he will go with JJ starting.

Silasie

12/20/2013 - 11:36 AM PST

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AND like i said before how is Jamal meant to win 6th man of the year when he is starting !

Silasie

12/20/2013 - 11:52 AM PST

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I want to look forward to tomorrows game but there is no thread to discuss it in. Come on Joe lets have it a day early!!

CP3Heliflopter

12/20/2013 - 11:58 AM PST

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You guys are acting like Redick is some kind of scrub passer.

A_DOG_NAMED_BUD

12/20/2013 - 12:13 PM PST

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Fair enough. This is my last post on the topic. This debate has dragged on.

But I don't think we NEED to make a change. I just think it would be interesting to see how an alternative lineup would work out. Either way, I think our guard play should out perform most teams in the league.

I do actually like what both JJ and JC bring to the team. I'm disregarding what JJ has done, but this doesn't mean I can't entertain the idea of him fitting in with the bench better than the starters.