Post by phoray on Dec 17, 2016 19:29:03 GMT

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It never occurred to me to feel betrayed by Jowan, and I resented the game trying to make me sound that way every time I talked to him.

Jowan doesn't want to be made Tranquil, unlike some of the other apprentices who hated their magic. He fears it greatly, which is why he tries to get a leg up, skill wise, by using blood magic. This was poorly thought out, obviously. Since he doesn't know the Harrowing is sprit only, The blood magic would not have helped even if he'd gone unnoticed.

But how did he learn it? Well, half the Circle is practicing blood magic under the encouragement of Uldred. But somehow, he's the one that ot caught. was he thrown under the bus to keep their cover? Or was he just that bad at being sneaky?

During my conversation with Jowan, my Surana got to say, paraphrasing, the line that "blood magic isn't all that big a deal" during the conversation where he asks for help. Surana was unsure wanted more information, so she old Jowan she'd think about it and went to Irving.

when Surana approached Irving about it he was super ambiguous about the proof and merely declared that the decision had been made and would not be unmade. Matter settled, no argument from Surana could sway him despite er passionate pleas to not harm her friend. Regardless of whether or not Jowan was a blood mage, she did not wish him made Tranquil.

Resolute, Surana went back to Jowan and said she'd help him. Tranquility is evil. Either kill them or leave them alone.

Jowan did not lie about the threat on his life, and that's all I cared about. Surana was happy to see him leave the Circle; she wanted to be gone as well.

Surana told him to make another stab at freedom when she let him out of the cell in Redcliffe. And when Surana found him later in the countryside, she swelled with happiness. told him "redemption suited him" when she saw him for the last time. There he was, being amazing, a prime example of how Tranquility would have been a terrible judgement.

And Lily poor Lily, regrets not having run off with him even years later as per her journal entries. I'd like to think they found each other during the Mage Rebellion.

Post by Sifr on Dec 20, 2016 20:10:08 GMT

Ah Jowan, I have a soft spot for him despite how much of a total screw-up he is.

Part of me does wonder whether Irving might have been partially responsible for them becoming friends, subtly conspiring to have his best pupil placed with Jowan, so they could be a good influence and try to keep him out of trouble? Although I still prefer to think they have been friends since they were children.

My Warden was slightly upset about being lied to, but never felt it was a betrayal. As they admitted to the Guardian, it was more that they felt they let Jowan down by failing to notice the signs he was using blood magic, believing they should have seen something and they could have stopped him.

They've known for years their friend means well, but he's his own worst enemy. I suspect the Warden has repeatedly stood up for Jowan whenever anyone insulted him, Templar or Mage and has occasionally taken the rap for things on his behalf, believing that Jowan would suffer a greater punishment than they would.

It could explain why Greagoir doesn't particularly like the Warden much. He might have always suspected the Warden had been covering for Jowan's screw ups over the years, but could never prove anything, which has lead to to resent the Warden for their constant interference in Templar matters. Even more so when we later show up to the Circle Tower as a Grey Warden, once more planning to stick our oar into Templar business.

Post by Catilina on Dec 24, 2016 10:01:06 GMT

Blood magic is the art of demons and should be eradicated alongside all the mages who practice it.Law and order demands it.

What are you talking about? In Thedas the law and order only cover of the institutionalized violence. The blood magic is useful, this is the most effective tool against the Templars. All Circle Mages must to know (and most of them know it as well). This is simple self-defense.

Post by Catilina on Dec 24, 2016 10:41:52 GMT

I wasn't very fond of this character and I've considered him a criminal and in part responsible for the zombie horde in Redclieffe.

As for the Blood magic in general I've always considered malevolent in nature since it's gains always demand a cost and seem to attract the malevolent spirits of the fade.

Yes, he have a little part, because he implemented, what Loghain wanted. He was only a tool in Loghain's hand, but he undertook the role of the tool. Finally, he wants to help, for redeem himself. Sadly it's a bad idea: if he go back to the Circle, I'm sure, that they will tranqulize him. I usually just let him go (Morrigan approve – I always say: she is not heartless; she want to free Sten too). For excuse of Jowan: he was desperate. In the Circle they wanted to tranquilize him, at least he feared for it, this was the reason, that he wanted to escape. Too bad, that this not succeed well, and he forced to use blood magic.

Post by oyabun on Dec 24, 2016 11:19:26 GMT

I wasn't very fond of this character and I've considered him a criminal and in part responsible for the zombie horde in Redclieffe.

As for the Blood magic in general I've always considered malevolent in nature since it's gains always demand a cost and seem to attract the malevolent spirits of the fade.

Yes, he have a little part, because he implemented, what Loghain wanted. He was only a tool in Loghain's hand, but he undertook the role of the tool. Finally, he wants to help, for redeem himself. Sadly it's a bad idea: if he go back to the Circle, I'm sure, that they will tranqulize him. I usually just let him go (Morrigan approve – I always say: she is not heartless; she want to free Sten too).The user need to resist. This is why I told: depend on the user.

Tool or not he was the one who poisoned Eamon for some gains he hoped to achieve so he is a criminal for the law.Morrigan wanting a blood mage free isn't an indicator of anything in regard of her behaviourother than her sympathizing for what she saw on Jowan at the time...i guess the power of a blood mage?

Post by Catilina on Dec 24, 2016 11:30:06 GMT

Yes, he have a little part, because he implemented, what Loghain wanted. He was only a tool in Loghain's hand, but he undertook the role of the tool. Finally, he wants to help, for redeem himself. Sadly it's a bad idea: if he go back to the Circle, I'm sure, that they will tranqulize him. I usually just let him go (Morrigan approve – I always say: she is not heartless; she want to free Sten too).The user need to resist. This is why I told: depend on the user.

Tool or not he was the one who poisoned Eamon for some gains he hoped to achieve so he is a criminal for the law.Morrigan wanting a blood mage free isn't an indicator of anything in regard of her behaviourother than her sympathizing for what she saw on Jowan at the time...i guess the power of a blood mage?

Loghain told him, that this is for Ferelden, and Loghain was the regent of Ferelden, so: he was the law and order at the moment, and Jowan will get freedom for it. And he don't needed to kill Eamon. Yes, he was naive, and guilty too but not really malicious.Morrigan sympathized with Jowan, because Jowan escaped from the Circle, and wanted to live freely, so he's a mage, who want to be slave of the Chantry, not because Jowan is a blood mage, as I see.But: You have some truth: in Morrigan's viewpoint the blood magic is not some kind heroic thing: just a useful tool. Probably he can respect a Circle Mage, who use it, because this a useful knowledge, and the Chantry prohibits the use of. This latter probably sound like your theory, but not same.

Post by Sifr on Dec 28, 2016 20:31:03 GMT

Blood magic is the art of demons and should be eradicated alongside all the mages who practice it.Law and order demands it.

The Circle uses a type of Blood Magic in the creation of a Phylactery, allowing Templars to locate escaped Circle Mage who's blood it's keyed to.

The Joining Ritual to become a Warden relies upon some degree of Blood Magic to create the concoction from Darkspawn blood and Lyrium.

Corypheus and many of the demonic threats kept in the Vimmark Prison, required powerful Blood Magic be employed to ensure the seals held. Malcolm Hawke reluctantly was forced to use Blood Magic when he was tasked by the Wardens with reinforcing the seals, which had degraded since the Shame of Serault had previously shored them up decades earlier.

Ancient Tevinters prevented a Veil tear (they caused) from expanding and ravaging the Western Approach, by using Blood Magic to freeze time.

Wilhelm of Honnleath secured his lab with his blood as an IFF, so only his family could enter and control the magical defenses. His son Matthias later used this knowledge to save villagers from Darkspawn during the Blight, by gathering villagers in the lab and erecting the barrier behind him, using it as a panic room until help eventually came.

Post by Catilina on Jan 19, 2017 1:07:11 GMT

I like this:

"After the Circles of Ferelden rebelled, the Hero of Ferelden disappeared along with the blood mage Jowan. Jowan, whose life had been spared after the newly appointed Warden-Commander had taken him under his protection, swearing that he would be responsible for the mage.Most people claimed that Jowan had the Warden-Commander under a spell and had forced the hero to disappear with them, but some spoke of darker things. People with more knowledge of the Grey Wardens spoke of the Hero of Ferelden turning to bloodmagic, since no warden can kill an archdemon and live to tell the tale."source