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No, not at all. We live in a country beset by racism and racial inequality. A person has three options. They can support racism, they can oppose racism, or they can just try to ignore the whole thing. What you mean when you say they don't care about race is that they try to ignore the whole thing. The opposite of racism would be fighting against racism, which tea party types steadfastly resist.

No, don't be stupid. The south, which was predominantly democratic, has over the years become predominantly republican. And it was primarily southern legislators who opposed the civil rights act. Ergo....

Denial is always funny. All it is an excuse for how the votes went down. If you don't want to face the fact that more democrats voted against the bill that you guys think is the measuring tool for racism be my quest.

no, that's historically accurate "talk". the minimum wage was introduced in order to defend Decent White Folks who were trying to raise Decent White Families in Decent White Conditions... but who were being undercut by "Negros and mongrelized asian hordes." Sidney Webb (British Socialist) argued that "[o]f all ways of dealing with these unfortunate parasites, the most ruinous to the community is to allow them unrestrainedly to compete as wage earners". Edward Alsworth Ross (American Progressive) pointed out that since inferior races were content to live closer to a filthy state of nature than the Nordic man, they did not requier a civilized wage. "The Coolie cannot outdo the American, but he can underlive him" was the problem, and the answer was to enact a civilized minimum wage that would put said savages out of wage competition. The authors of the Davis-Bacon Act were quite open about the fact that the intent was to keep cheap black laborers from "taking" jobs from whites.

This part right here makes the entire post golden. I don't even understand how people don't know that the minimum wage was racist. All they have to do is look at the statements of the time when it was passed to democrats saying how the white man was being undercut and beaten in the market.

I’m “totally” serious. In order for you to understand, I will take things very slow this time (using, once again, the TP t-shirt-guy as an example)…

First, we should examine your methodology. The methods you employ are based on the premise that the person is guilty, is making a confession and is using context as a convenient cover for their racist remarks. In this way, the person is presumed and then proven guilty. Next, let’s look at the methods you employ to this end:

1. Remove the context of the event. In the case of the t-shirt-guy, this includes ignoring the event he is at and all of the political implications of that event. This is similar to ignoring the context of a thread.

2. Remove the context of the statement itself. That is, remove some of the words on the t-shirt, and leave only the words that allow you to make the pre-determined accusation. This is similar to removing the context of a post, keeping only the words useful to make the pre-determined accusation.

The above methodology and methods are made clear in the quote below, from this thread:

Originally Posted by haymarket

Is it actually making a point about perceptions of the left? I have no idea as I think that is merely convenient cover for a public expression of racism.

Now, we should go one step further to the specific matter of cognition on your part. You claimed that if you wore a similar t-shirt, you would expect everyone to remove all of the context and realize that you are, in fact, a racist. You’re very clear about your expectations of interpretation and you are cognizant that any statements you make will (and, according you, should) be analyzed via the above methods.

The above cognition is made clear in the quote below, from this thread:

Originally Posted by haymarket

I strongly suspect that if I wore a T-shirt that said "I am a freedom killing Marxist" - and then on the back listed reasons why the far right perceives me as such, you and others would focus only on the front of it stating that it reveals truth in the disguise of satire.

In conclusion, given your methodology, methods and cognitive awareness, how do you explain the quote below, from this thread:

Originally Posted by haymarket

OBAMA IS A NIGGER

One can only hope that this illustration will enable you to see the light, and to stop thinking that everyone is trying to (as you wrote) "piss on progressives faces". Look, no one is trying to piss on your face. You're just being completely unreasonable in your analysis of other's actions.

No, not at all. We live in a country beset by racism and racial inequality. A person has three options. They can support racism, they can oppose racism, or they can just try to ignore the whole thing. What you mean when you say they don't care about race is that they try to ignore the whole thing. The opposite of racism would be fighting against racism, which tea party types steadfastly resist.

We're not beset by racism. We have a black President for goodness sakes. We do have racial inequality but that's not society's fault nor is it society's responsibility to fix it.

rather than whine about him daring to expressing his opinion, why don't you instead share with us what is found wrong about his observations

You mean like the part where the Tea Party wants blacks hanging in trees? What kind of moronic, sick mind thinks up stuff like that? Oh I know, the liberal kind.

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I have little doubt that you feel you are making some point about this T shirt. However, since it is so labored and so without any central foundation, I have absolutely no idea what it is.

You seem hellbent on defending that T shirt which proclaims the wearer to be a proud racist. You further seem to believe that you can pretend to be clever by taking my example of a racist Obama T shirt or sign and using it to defend the real actual racist T shirt under discussion.

Your intellectually dishonest tactic smacks of desperation not to mention a complete lack of any actual substance.

Perhaps the greater question is this: why do you feel this strong need to defend that racist Tshirt in the first place?

Last edited by haymarket; 09-03-11 at 07:20 AM.

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