I don't really understand why they have done this now, considering there is a test case going through the courts deciding if its legal or not to sell these boxes. I assume that because there is a test case means its not 100% sure that its illegal.

If the boxes were sold with kodi preinstalled but nothing else, especially pre configuring to connect to those services then I fail to see how its illegal, kodi in itself is legal software.

It is a bit like saying if you sell a pc with bittorent installed its illegal which is nonsense.

I think the key here is if these boxes were pre configured to connect to the illegal services, if they were not then I think its legal. (by preconfigured I mean setting up server details and user/password).

I think BS mentioned in another thread tho he brought a box that was actually preconfigured in which case that would be illegal selling.

Loads of people are buying them, I know two people who are not even computer literate that have done away with Sky and use them, they've even watched films such as Hacksaw Ridge which are not yet available to buy in the UK. Apparently the quality is very good. They are clearly sold configured and ready for use, some are even charging a subscription apparently, can't remember the monthly figures but it was £50 for a years access, not that I'd want to pass my credit card details over to them!

One thing is clear to me is that people are getting fed up with being ripped off by the likes of $ky, if prices where lower then people wouldn't mind paying, I've never had Sky or a 'fully loaded kodi box' but do have Netflix and Amazon Prime.

If the boxes were sold with kodi preinstalled but nothing else, especially pre configuring to connect to those services then I fail to see how its illegal, kodi in itself is legal software.

It is a bit like saying if you sell a pc with bittorent installed its illegal which is nonsense.

I think the key here is if these boxes were pre configured to connect to the illegal services, if they were not then I think its legal. (by preconfigured I mean setting up server details and user/password).

I think BS mentioned in another thread tho he brought a box that was actually preconfigured in which case that would be illegal selling.

No, the box I bought was just a bog-standard Android box that already has Kodi installed on it. The other 'apps' I have had put on by a mate of mine, and I now stream IPTV from the link that you asked for.

For £59 a year, I have every sport I wish to watch (Box office as well), and every movie ...... yes, Hacksaw Ridge as well ...... all in HD quality. I have been ripped off for donkeys years with SKY.

Ok thanks for clarifying, in that case I dont see your purchase as been illegal.

Oh and of course I agree with you ronski, but instead of adjusting the prices they simply move aggressively to shut down the alternate means of getting the content, sky are whacked in that they seem to genuinely dont see a problem with the pricing.

BT are slowly heading in the same direction as well, they tried to make it work with low/free content but have ended up having to increase prices in other parts of their business to subsidise after realising it doesnt work.

At some point the EPL bubble will burst and sanity will arrive.

Netflix were getting the same issue with the movie companies who have been persistently asking netflix to jack up their prices so they can be paid more for the movies, netflix instead is slowly ditching the movies and moving to original content.

Cheers .............. TBH, I can't see the 'powers that be' being bothered with the little man ....... they'd rather invest their time and money in nabbing the sellers, just like the Police with drugs. #hereshoping

I wonder what will happen if the court case http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38769045 turns out it is legal to sell them? Are all these people 'raided' going to be able to claim compensation? I must admit I'd like to see that lol.

I've personally never understood why the police are enforcing copyright law. They seem to be he 'heavies', while these bounty hunters go around hassling people.

You're right about Sky. Many years ago I used to be in to the WWF/E wrestling. I'd watched it on tapes before it arrived over here on Sky. Sky kept moving it around channels. Events went from Sky 1, to Sky Sports, to Sky Movies. Every time they created a new channel that they encrypted they put the wrestling on that channel. They knew exactly what they were doing.

in my view people have no excuses on this one, there are so many easy ways to watch content now using Netflix, Amazon Prime, NowTV etc etc

I guess its another example of the "entitlement culture" - exactly the analogy posted by @stevebrass.

If you can't afford something it doesn't give you the right to steal it

Its another case of people behaving badly because they feel protected by internet anonymity. I am betting that most of the copyright thieves wouldn't dream of walking into Waterstones and stealing a book or trousering a DVD from Tescos but think on the internet its OK

It's also true that some people buy these without even understanding what they are and are in denial "there is no such thing as a free lunch"

Recently an acquaintance was telling me about his recently acquired Kodi box and argued with me when I told him it is piracy "No, its all free I bought it on Amazon!"

Its the same as car insurance dodgers and whiplash fraudsters .... in reality this behaviour just makes it more expensive for the honest people who pay their way.

I remember being 'that man', Chunkers. Forever beating the drum about ethics and morals.

I realised I was pretty much in the minority when the pub chatter turned to watching the latest films, (without paying £5.99 per film, on top of the 'Movie package you already bl00dy pay for) ...... plus all the sports to boot.

It was embarrassing admitting how much my monthly subs were to SKY, and the minimal reward I got for it. Far from being able to take the moral high-ground, I actually felt like a damned fool. So, I took the plunge and haven't looked back.

I hope you don't mind, but every one of us have a moral compass. We all know right from wrong, even if we do not admit it, our inner voice tells us

I realise we live in the real world, where people will take advantage but it's upto each of us to determine how we live our lives

We have freesat, no movies, sports only freesat

I choose this because I see and have lost business to those who do not hold full insurance, or run spurious licences, and I am very clear over helping others who run spurious software, we simply refuse to help and in certain circumstances, have void our warranty to them.

I will though confess, after looking at computer screens most of the day, I do not watch much television, however I do play Xbox for an hour each night (fully paid gold subscription)

Lastly, my opinion of the quality of television programs made are lower then they were from the seventies and eighties, as an example, one foot in the grave is currently been repeated and our eldest granddaughter absolutely loves watching it, and cannot stop laughing. I cannot recall a program from 2000 onwards which has the same appeal but realise we are all different

I can understand the basic argument that its theft. But in the BMW example, nobody is promoting BMW's 24 hours a day.

The TV producers put a lot of effort in to 'what you could be watching is...', so its understandable that people want to watch it.

The TV companies, mainly Sky, have nearly destroyed football by buying it and making it so not only the football live game is only shown on Sky, but any repeats or even highlights can't be shown on any other channel.

I think there is a difference between people like us who can afford to pay a subscription if we wanted to, and people who cannot afford the subscription at all, with no hope.

I still find it odd that they are doing these 'raids' when there is a court case going on at the moment.

Why arent these cases being heard in a civil court? I've never understood why copyright raids go on, or why people are arrested for copyright offenses. If I produced a programme and someone stole it and didnt credit me, I doubt a police force would be wanting to arrest them.