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So-called Abolitionist Animal Rights is hindering progress with respect to the treatment by humans of other animals. That is, it is not the case that, on balance, the "Abolitionists" have made things…Continue

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"Hi Jeff,
The study that Norm wrote about show that publicity about welfare reforms is positively correlated with a decrease in the rate of increase in demand. That's not nothing, but it's not clear that it's something that works…"

"Hi again Jeffrey,
Among other verses, I take it that Isaiah 65:24-25 speak to the ideal you've mentioned? (I'm including the KJV version of those verses here, for anyone who hasn't read them)24: And it shall come to pass, that before…"

"Hi again Jeffrey,
It occurred to me that there must be different rabbinic commentaries or different ways to interpret the same commentaries in that not all Jews are vegan or vegetarian. Is that right? "

"HI Jeffrey, thank you for that reply. I am (obviously) not fully informed on the issue. Given the moral weakness of humankind, is it thought that God will or has revoked His permission for us to eat other animals?"

"Hi Jeffrey,
What context does Genesis 9 need to make it more clear? It seems to me that what the JVNA says it on it's website is exactly the sort of thing that Kim Socha is critical about it: the reinterpreting of the plain text of a document…"

"Thanks Richard. I'm always skeptical about claims that human beings need to abandon religion, or overthrow capitalism, or adopt anarchism, or whatever, before real change can happen. It seems to me that such claims boil down, in the end, to the…"

"Thank you so much for the link, it is a great article, this is so true:
"Seeking to protect animals by engaging exclusively in a moral crusade has the effect of removing animals from the political arena and the possibility of enforceable…"

"I find the current abolitionist “movement” quit troubling although I don’t worry about it so much as they are marginalizing themselves and becoming irrelevant. It is not only the fact that their method of advocacy is ineffective…"

"HI Carolyn,I like NIck's work, as you know. I think it's crazy for people in the movement to ignore what he's learned about social-psychology and how it can help us to influence the behaviors of others. At the same time, I think Nick…"

"Thanks for reading the post. I think that the toughest part of "creating change" is in the knowing that we don't have very much power at all to change the world. As creatures of evolution, the world changes us - we respond to it in an…"

"IMHO, the most comprehensive approach not just to animal right but "total liberation" is proposed by another abolitionist advocate, Dr. Steve Best who does not get enough coverage or credit in the vegan community. I think he has it right.…"

"You mentioned Nick Cooney and his work a few times, Uptight Primate, have you heard Nick's latest interview with ARZone in which he speaks about his newest book, Veganomics and *THE* abolitionist approach and why he thinks it is ineffective and…"

So-called Abolitionist Animal Rights is hindering progress with respect to the treatment by humans of other animals. That is, it is not the case that, on balance, the "Abolitionists" have made things better for non-human animals but, rather, they have delayed the adoption of meaningful reforms that would benefit billions of animals.The "Abolitionist Approach" is such that it demands of all people that they either adopt a strict vegan lifestyle or accept themselves as immoral, or "morally…See More

"Billy said: My point about cats is just that it is another example of compromises vegans must deal with, not everything about being vegan is easy. Purchasing an ultra-expensive, potentially unhealthy product for cats to eat is one way to deal…"

Eric Schwitzgebel, Professor of Philosophy at University of California at Riverside, writes a blog called The Splintered Mind. His latest post is about how people do moral reasoning and how that reasoning is affected by seemingly irrelevant things. His findings, even among professional Philosophers, may suprise you....

Dale Carrico, Ph.D. Lecturer, Department of Rhetoric, at the University of California, Berkeley writes at the blog amor mundi. Today's entry talks about "ag-gag" legislation as it relates to Carol Adams conception of the absent referent as well as how the animal-industrial complex devalues and damages human animals along with the non-human…

It seems like Rob Johnson just can’t let go of his obsession with ARZone.

On Brandon Becker's Facebook page, Rob Johnson said a number of things that are all equally banal, but I’d like to focus on just this:

Similarly the latest ARZone blog, which I am told Yates was promoting yesterday, is on the fact that they deem ARZone to be successful and so they deem the AR movement to be successful as ARZone supports open debate. There's a famous Chomsky quote that…

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