Seconding the mapleman - they're generally cumbersome because it takes up more volume on your gear that could be taken up by multiple standard capacity mags. Shoving a fuckhuge tube of boolits or a pan in your rig, weight aside, will cause a lot of wear and tear on the fabric as you're running around and then you'll be less likely to wanna climb over a wall.

Russia tried a helical mag with the Bizon and it was apparently sketchy enough to warrant scrapping in exchange for stick mags.

Calico rifles and "pistols" also have a relatively poor reputation for functionality, and they run purely off of helical magazines.

Even if it functions perfectly, is it really a good idea mounting one on a rifle attached so far down the barrel like this? I imagine the CoM and your point of aim would shift drastically as you shoot more and more rounds, especially when firing it full auto.

Helical mags are obviously going to be more efficient with shorter cartridges. If you are going to use trouds why not just use a non disintegrating 'fabric' belt made from polymer and a box to hold it?

The reason why North Korean personal guard carry it is clear: Suppressive fire.

If the Deer Reader is ever fired on, his guard can basically continuously fire at the assassins, keeping them suppressed and unable to fire back while Deer Reader escapes. It's also useful for defending a place with a lot of corridors. Every single corner becomes a huge time waster for an invader, as long as the defender has bullets.

Mossad uses SMGs for a similar purpose, except at the opposite side. Once they complete the assassination by bomb, poison or bullet… the SMGs are used to provide cover fire and slow down the cops while the assassination team makes their escape.

That's the entire purpose behind high volume guns. Outside of these very specific niche uses, huge capacity magazines have very little use.

They're also kind of useful for hosing down a crowd, which is also potentially useful for Nork security personnel. The abomination used in vid related is also a good argument for why the magazine is happier on the bottom of the weapon.

I look at these massive tubes and all I can think of is how the fuck are you even supposed to hold your rifle at this point. That thing must weight at least 3kg, or even 5.

So you have a heavy tube hanging from your barrel and you're supposed to somehow hold your rifle from there and try to aim at anything ever. It's bigger than their hands' grip. How the fuck are you supposed to hold this thing effectively?

I think he was talking about the weight of the magazine alone. Which looking at the fucking thing must weigh more than the entire rifle it self fully loaded probably feels like carrying an ammo can on the end of your rifle.

Fair point, but as it's issued to bodyguards and 'public security officers' it's not like they have to carry it around innawoods. It's a lot easier to hold something like that if you're just standing in place waiting for something to go down. Knowing that everyone even vaguely related to you will be executed if you drop it has to help as well.

It just seems like a stupid thing to have unless your entire purpose is to just spray as much lead into a crowd of people as fast as humanly possible. Because if they are supposed to take out single targets that are coming at them I would think it would be hard to aim with all the extra weight at the end of the rifle.

I completely agree, but as they're being issued to Nork security forces they're not intended to be practical or efficient, they're designed to produce a colossal amount of fire so that the security officer can bravely give their lives holding back the evil counterrevolutionary, American backed, terrorists while the Dear Leader (tm) nobly glorifies and humbly serves the people of Korea, by running for the nearest chopper

Wouldn't it be smarter to have the helical magazine kept in the gun and transition to stick mags once it runs dry instead of carrying more of the shits? Doesn't look like it would be quick to reload with them.

Also what's the capacity on the things? Looking at the size of the magazine compared to the AK, I'm thinking something like 120.

The idea is to fire in the general direction of the threat to have a certain volume of fire at close range, ensuring VIP evacuation and hope whatever threat is too busy taking cover from the hundreds of bullets coming his way (or being turned into mincemeat), because a couple of guards watching the threat sector are gonna use the full ROF of the AK-74 to lay the maximum covering fire one can get from the platform, even if inaccurately.

It isn't more stupid than MP5K in briefcases or other shit you see high level bodyguards with.

>Wouldn't it be smarter to have the helical magazine kept in the gun and transition to stick mags once it runs dry instead of carrying more of the shits? Doesn't look like it would be quick to reload with them.

It would. But it might be a photo of the guy carrying extras for the squad, on the few other photos with those rifles + mags outside parade they either have no extra mags (and lots of pistol mags) or 30 rounders.

Also it's not that large, it's a bit larger than the AK hand-guard but I can't seen why you would think you don't have a proper grip on it, besides the weight.

i don't like this. as your magazine empties, the end of your gun gets lighter and lighter. if you want a heavy bull barrel for less flip up and quicker follow ups, fine. if you want a light barrel for faster target acquisition, also fine. but i don't want my gun's center of gravity to shift that dramatically between each round. gotta have consistency shot after shot.

I thought caseless rounds were just as much of a meme as trounds. 400 RPM isn't amazingly high for AGLS (the Chinese type 87 fires at 500RPM) what is caseless ammunition meant to achieve with the AGS-40? It's a crew served or mounted weapon so it's not like weight reduction is much of a concern.

Have you seen that video? The trounds sit in the magazine in such a way that the orientation is always right, and the weapon itself is stupid simple too. You just shouldn't try to make a pistol out of the system.

It's the same technology that was used in the GPS-25, just scaled up. Also, I'm not sure why would you at the fire rate out of all possible characteristics, but I might as well mention that most AGLs are in the 300-400 RPM range. It's much more important what kind of grenades it fires.

The grenade is caseless because it has an inbulit high-low system, not because they wanted to increase the RoF. I take it's to reduce recoil, although a high-low system has other potential benefits too.

Calico guns put the magazine on top for ease of handling. Having the center of mass right over your hand was a selling point for them so they must have been well balanced and easy to handle. One of many neat innovations on their products, but they still couldn't overcome the fundamental issues of helical mags.

The problem with "crowd mowing" is that a human body stops a bullet pretty good, so all you're really doing is killing row #1, heavily wounding row #2-3 and every row behind that is relatively unscathed. It's actually more efficient to just shoot once, wait for the dead guy to fall down, then shoot again.

Full automatic firearms aren't good for killing large groups of people.

It's funny because the guy in Vegas found the ONE way an automatic weapon had any effect on a crowd, by firing from ABOVE.

And even then it was less effective than a truck or even knife, the Vegas guy(s) only killed 50 people. Seriously that's less effective than a knife, look up the Xinjiang coalmine stabbing attack with over 60 dead, or the Aksu colliery attacks. Or the Nice truck attack, over 80 dead.

No, I'm suggesting mowing down crowds has nothing to do with protecting a primary, providing covering fire does. Which is why they have guns that can't "mow down" a crowd, but can provide covering fire.

Would you want to keep them around? I mean I know you have to wear them as a hat, but if you had a choice, would you? Besides they only really went off the rails after we let them go personally I blame the French influence on them. Not for any particular reason, it's just good practice and a safe bet to blame the French for most things

Honestly it's our fault. Given time the mapleniggers would have joined the Union and we could have given them a stern talking-to and get them in line. But War of 1812 gave them the delusion that they were worth a damn and that sentiment quickly evaporated.

Nice dubs, and you did kind of fuck up pretty royally there. You could have done the decent thing and waited until Britain could commit to the war though, or at lest ceased hostilities after signing the peace treaty you asked us for.