I happened upon this found Tea via the facebook page for "Roses Anciennes -- Vintage Roses", which seems to bear some resemblance to another found rose here in the US. Please compare to "Thomasville Old Told". Thoughts?

On an antique roses forum, this thread was posted about an unidentified rose in Spain. The found rose "Isabella Ducrot" was also mentioned as a possibility. It would be very interesting to compare the various "sunset-colored" Teas like these, and 'Clementina Carbonieri', and 'Isabella Nabonnand', etc. I'd wager that there's a duplicate somewhere among them.

This is also an interesting reference to 'Luciole' - "flower stem roughened like a moss-rose; "- from the 1888 Hill & co catalogue, considering that the photo (ID 317246) of "Plaisance Pink" shows a rather hispid stem.

AmiRoses, the four photos of 'Wassili Chludloff' are quite pink. Do you recall where the photos were taken, and if the then identification has been changed in the meantime? They certainly do not appear to match the original "coppery red, tinted with yellow" descriptions.

I understand this is a photo of the home of a relative of the Nabonnand family and that this is an old plant that has never become separated from its name. A big old plant of Wasily Chludoff's child 'Marie Nabonnand' grows on the other side of the entrance to this house.

Thanks AmiRoses. The sun must be in my eyes because I just can't see as much copper as the 1898 reference suggests. Of L'Ideal', it was said: "The coloring at a distance frequently recalls that of 'Fortune's Yellow'." Do you have any photos of 'Wassili Chludoff's foliage, buds etc?