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CIHAT GUNDOĞDU: Tonight our guest is from England, from the United Kingdom, Sir Iqbal Sacranie and his nephew Uzair.

ADNAN OKTAR: Uzair, Masha'Allah.

CIHAT GUNDOĞDU: Sir Iqbal Sacranie has served as Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain. And he has been knighted by the Queen and acknowledged as the leader of the Muslims in England, insha'Allah. He has been honored with an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) medal in 1999 by Tony Blair.

ADNAN OKTAR: He was honored with an Officer of the Order of the British Empire medal by Tony Blair. Yes; Tony Blair is a nice person, he is very good natured.

CIHAT GUNDOĞDU: And he was knighted by the Queen in 2005 because of the services he rendered for the society. He has been elected as one of the ten most influential Muslims in England. He served as a consultant for the British government in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. He served as the Chairman of Muslim Aid that is active in more than seventy countries. He is the Vice Chairman of the Muslim Aid. He is also a member of the International Advisory Panel at World Islamic Economic Forum. And he has been honored with many national and international awards.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Masha'Allah. Welcome, Masha'Allah.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: Thank you.

ADNAN OKTAR: May God increase your enthusiasm and your radiance. May God grant you even more beautiful tasks. May God give enthusiasm, radiance and fervor to all Muslims. May God grant all Muslims the thrill of striving on the Path of God like that of yours.

What do you think about our activities in Turkey?

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: Well, I think you are going through a very challenging time at the moment in Turkey. The pressures are coming from different angles. But I think there is some very positive work taking place as well.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, Masha'Allah. What does our blessed guest think about the struggle we are giving worldwide against Darwinism and materialism?

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: I think it is a very effective work that is taking place. And this is one work, Alhamdulillah, through Dr. Adnan's work has become known worldwide in a very effective and very powerful way to fight against this rather menace to the humanity.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, Masha'Allah. What are your recommendations for us?

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: Well, I think Alhamdulillah the literature which we have caught in various publications in different languages in English, in Arabic, in Turkish has been very very useful. But I think it is important that this publication should now be directed at the younger generation, at the younger children in primary schools in a very simplified way. Like the book which Alhamdulillah has been prepared but again we need to start educating at a young age, rather than at a late age. Because in a secular society the whole issue of this evolution and Darwinism is spelling out at a very young age. So we need to make sure that our view point is heard at a very early age.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, masha'Allah. We have a Turkish saying that goes "... as the twig is bent, so is the tree inclined." Masha'Allah, what you have just said is very important and very to the point. Especially using a plain language that people can easily understand.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: Indeed, indeed. The publication Alhamdulillah is very good, for us, for people like this. When my children when I passed onto them, they were very very impressed. And I've heard of course Harun Yahya's name is worldwide now Alhamdulillah. You have a very balanced way, Alhamdulillah a very balanced, very understanding, very dignified, very respectable way.

ADNAN OKTAR: Alhamdulillah, Masha'Allah. They really have formed a retaining point, a base to rely upon. I am well aware of that. Praise be to God, by the creation of God: All power belongs to God.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: Indeed, yes.. Yes.. It is a weight that can make a change in the whole world.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. Masha'Allah, Alhamdulillah. Does he have any orders for us?

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: Order in what way? We are here at his disposal. He orders us, insha'Allah we will do as he orders.

ADNAN OKTAR: Astagfirullah, astagfirullah. We are at your disposal. May God give plentitude to your life. May He increase your radiance. Let us take the views of our brother as well. What does he have to say about these points?

Mr. UZAIR: Alhamdulillah, what I have heard from my uncle, what I have heard is your work is very good, very influential. Insha'Allah will spread all over the world.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Alhamdulillah. This is the time of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). We will, insha'Allah, see Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh). I am a follower of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). I am his doorman, his servitor. I am the doorman, the servitor of Jesus Messiah (pbuh). Insha'Allah, we will see them both.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: And Insha'Allah do you think it is now a very near time? In our life time? You think it will now it is coming very near. We were discussing earlier about the timing…

ADNAN OKTAR: Actually there is no further time left. The Last Day is imminent. This is the last period, there is no other time. The system of the Mahdi is the reason why the internet and television have been created anyway. God created them all for spreading the message of Islam, not for the fun of it.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: Yes, indeed. Of course, all this technology that we see coming in is to God's will. Insha'Allah is a good purpose.

ADNAN OKTAR: The Messenger of God (saas) says, "They will keep saying that there is no Mahdi until the end." He says, "They will say he won't come. Just in that environment Muhammad Mahdi (pbuh) will appear with his limited number of students."

Bediuzzaman says, "When Mahdi (pbuh) comes, even he wouldn't realize himself, but he will be recognized through the light of faith."

And he says the same for Jesus Messiah (pbuh) as well. He says, "His close students and his elect scholars will recognize him through the light of faith. Or else people will not recognize him openly in the beginning when he first appears."

Bediuzzaman also says that he (Jesus Messiah) will lead the Christian world and enable them to become Muslims. In the Qur'an, I seek refuge with God from the satan, God explicitly says, "There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies…"

In another verse God says, " Those who believe and (constantly) guard against evil;-” meaning Christians and Muslims, "I will make them prevail in the world," in the Qur'an. In another verse God says, "He (Jesus Messiah, Ibn Maryam) is a Sign of the Hour." He says so for the coming of Jesus (Surat Az-Zukhruf; 61). The Messenger of God (saas) foretold the coming of Jesus Messiah with reliable hadiths in Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Maja, Sunan an-Nasih, Sunan Dawud collections. The coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) has also been stated in reliable hadiths in six reliable hadith collections.

"However at the time Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) appears, there will be no more talk of him," he (our Prophet (saas)) says. People will refrain from talking about Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). "Scholars, hodjas will stop talking about the Mahdi (pbuh) and the antichrist on pulpits and in mosques," he says. Our Prophet (saas) says, "When you see this, understand that the Mahdi (pbuh) has arrived." We will understand the signs of his coming from that; from the scholars refraining to talk about this. Our Prophet (saas) says, "When people start saying 'do not talk about the Mahdi (pbuh), do not talk about the antichrist, do not get into these matters', you should know that he arrived."

Our Prophet says, "a scholar in Istanbul," he actually says in Medina, our Prophet (saas) says Medina for Istanbul. They ask our Prophet (saas) which medina he means and he says, "Istanbul". "The scholar in Istanbul, a bearded scholar with a shaved head will say, "This man has ruined our religion!" about the Mahdi (pbuh). Meaning people will say, "…this person is an apostate, he abandoned religion, he has nothing to do with Islam, do not abide by him," about the Mahdi (pbuh). Our Prophet (saas) openly says this.

Furthermore our Prophet (saas) says "Seventy thousand radicals will appear and they too will have beards and shaved heads and they will struggle against the Mahdi (pbuh). Seventy thousand followers of the antichrist will step up in the name of Islam and will give a struggle against the Mahdi."

Our Prophet (saas) says, "Mahdi's (pbuh) task will be a difficult one. I have stepped up with the Qur'an and gave a struggle with the Qur'an but people will struggle against him with the Qur'an." So he says, 'Those people will confront him by changing the Qur'an so his task will be even more difficult'. So they will stand against him by changing the commands of the Qur'an and by make additions to the Qur'an, he says. By making additions, by making deletions from the Qur'an, they will struggle against him. Our Prophet (saas) says, "Mahdi (pbuh) will be from my line." He is a Sayyid. He says; " He will have a magnificent appearance". He will be solemn and magnificent.

For Jesus Messiah (pbuh) our Prophet says, "He will have a small nose and grey eyes." "His fingers will be long and slim and his face, his hands, his feet will be freckled." Actually all his body will be freckled but our Prophet (saas) only mentions those parts he saw. All the skin he saw, his hands, his feet, his nose are freckled. So he has the utmost cuteness. His hair will be a mixture of blond and red and it will be long and wavy. "His hair will look wet even when untouched by water," his hair has such a special quality. These are mentioned in Bukhari and Muslim. "He has a medium stature," says our Prophet (saas). He has a thin waist and is called Messiah because of that thin waist of his. He has a thin waist and athletic body. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is not like that. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) has a wide stomach, wide shoulders, his whole body is wide from end to end. Our Prophet (saas) gives a lot of details for him to be recognized. "His thighs are wide," he says. "His feet point outward as he walks. He has a wide forehead, a small nose and he has a mole on his cheek." So he says, "recognize him by these features when you see him." Our Prophet (saas) says, "Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is also of medium stature. He looks like Jesus Messiah (pbuh) when standing side by side their faces are very much alike," he says. "Because they will be from the same line, they will both be from the line of the Prophet David (pbuh). And because both of them are from the line of the Prophet David (pbuh) there will be similarities between them. Our Prophet (saas) says, "There will be a mole on the back of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), right about where his heart is." He says that there will be a mole as big as a pigeon's egg right about where his heart is. This is a small mole, like that of Our Prophet (saas). Aldulqadir Jilani had one of those as well. That is inherited genetically. Our Prophet (saas) says that there will a sizable mole on his right leg and that there will be a mark on the right side of his chest in the size of a leaf, in the size of a hand. It is as big as a leaf of a tree. Our Prophet (saas) foretold those in great details. It is said that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will have a natural brow furrow line in the form of a single line, not two. That will be seen like a dip, a single dip. There will be a small mark, a scar on his forehead. His hair will be black, says our Prophet (saas). The eyes of the Jesus Messiah and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will look very much alike. Jesus Messiah will have grey eyes and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will have green eyes. A’IUN AL-KHADHRA., says our Prophet(saas) in Arabic. The word "Khidr" as in Hazrat Khidr (pbuh) which means 'green' originates from that as you know.

Our Prophet (saas) says that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will have a beard. He says that Hazrat Mahdi(pbuh) will have a beard. His beard will be MACTHUM (HAVING A BEARD SHAPE THAT IS SMOOTHED, LONGER DOWNWARDS COMPARED TO SIDES) -meaning it is given a special form- KAWSAJ (SPARSELY BEARDED) at the sides." Kawsaj meaning sparsely, thin at sides. This is how it is related in the hadith in Arabic. I will give that book to you, those hadith collections so that you can see them there, insha'Allah.

"His eyebrows are curved, his face is bright. There is a slight protrusion on his nose," says our Prophet (saas). He says that he is telling all these details for us to recognize him. But of course Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will not step up and say, "I am Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), I have all these features." Scholars, people will recognize him and make him their leader, their caliph in an environment which they will be obliged to do so. Actually they will say, "You have all these signs, these are the names of your mother and your father, we see that you have these signs, you are Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)!" to the Mahdi (pbuh). Our Prophet (saas) says that he will never accept that. That will be repeated three times. Actually some Muslims will threaten him with death and say, "If you do not take the lead the Islamic world will be ruined. The Islamic world is devastated, there will be turmoil if you do not take the lead; we will kill you if you do not take the lead." Our Prophet says that he will be made to take the lead by force under these conditions. Of course Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will not do this out of fear but because he will see the situation and realize the severity of the situation he will accept it.

For instance this book of Barzanji, this yellow book is a translation of a very old book. The majority of these hadiths are in this book. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is the first sign of the Last Day. He is the big sign. And the incidents will take place one after the other after his appearance. Very big events will take place in the world, in the years, months to come. Our Prophet (saas) says, "one will start just as the previous ends." They will follow one another like the beads of a rosary, he says.

After the appearance of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), our Prophet (saas) says that there will be plentitude and abundance. The whole world will become prosperous and everywhere will be made beautiful. The conflicts, anarchy and bloodshed will come to an absolute end. Violence will completely be erased from the face of this world. That is why we are at the times that the satan will struggle most desperately. This is the reason behind the incidents that are taking place right now; I mean this all stems from the dread satan is experiencing right now. The time of death has come for the satan. The antichrist used to be able to fool people very easily with Darwinism and materialism. Right now it is cornered. The antichrist made ninety nine percent of the whole world irreligious with Darwinism and materialism but now we are at the final period of this. Our Prophet (saas) says that "Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will personally kill the satan under his feet." There are hundreds, thousands of hadiths, both in Shia sources and in Sunni sources. The Iranian constitution is valid only until the appearance of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). This is the first article of their constitutional law, their basic law. There is an army of a million soldiers waiting as the army of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) in Iran. That army is not used for anything, they are maintained just to stand under the command of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). However Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will not shed blood, so he won't need that army. Actually our Prophet (saas) calls Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) as "Mahdi Adh-Dam," as the Mahdi who will stop the bloodshed.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: I see… Because I thought that Mahdi will be fighting the Dajjal (antichrist). Isn't he? He will fight the dajjal.

ADNAN OKTAR: Bediuzzaman says, "Even a microbe, a flu can kill the person of the antichrist. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will kill him intellectually." He explains this explicitly in the Treatise of Light.

Bediuzzaman Said Nursi says that Hazrat Mahdi will appear in Istanbul. He wrote these in his works seventy years, eighty years ago. He says that Mahdi will appear in Istanbul with a small group of followers. He says that some scholars say that he will appear in Basra, Kufa or in Damascus because all these cities used to be the capital. The capital city changed over time. Our Prophet (saas) said that, "...he will appear in the capital city." So the scholars claimed that he will appear in Basra when the capital was Basra, Kufa when Kufa was the capital and Damascus when the capital was Damascus." He says that this is the reason why the hadith changed constantly and that the original hadith states that he will appear in the capital city.

The Treatise of Light is a great work; Bediuzzaman Said Nursi is a scholar who left his mark on Turkey, on the whole Middle East. All great religious communities are influenced by Treatise of Light. They have adopted it almost exactly the same as a method, as a style. Except for the Naqshbandi and Qadiri orders, even the Qadiris resemble them. For instance, the style adopted by Haydar Baş is actually the style of the Treatise of Light the way they dress, the model of their moustaches and all, their way of explaining are the same of that of Treatise of Light. The same is valid for the followers of Suleyman Hilmi Tunahan; the way they dress, the shape of their moustaches, their way of talking, their logic, their protecting the state, their stand against anarchy and terror. Their positive movements are alike. The Fethullah Gulen movement is actually a movement that is influenced directly by Bediuzzaman.

However the Mahmut Efendi Community, the Menzil Community act according to the classical Orthodox understanding of Islam.

Look, in the Treatise of Light, Bediuzzaman says, "Christianity and Islam when acting separately have a tendency of being defeated but they will have the tendency of being victorious when acting together. They will unite and annihilate the system of the Antichrist from the face of this world." These are all statements based on hadiths. Bediuzzaman bases all these explanations on the hadiths. Bediuzzaman knew the whole Six Books by heart. He knew the Qur'an by heart. He didn't keep any books around him. He was in prison all alone but he kept writing on and on, Masha'Allah. They kept him inside a wood shed in minus ten, minus fifteen degrees cold, he wrote the Treatise of Light even there on paper bags. For instance, he found a box of food that came to the prison, he found paper on that box and made use of that. Paper bags came to the prison and he used to empty those bags and use them. Even the boxes of Turkish delight, he used to use the packaging paper inside the boxes of Turkish delight.

Bediuzzaman says that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will appear in the 1980. He says that his students will be very influential in 1990 to 2000 and the 2010's; especially in the 2010's his students will be highly influential. He comes up with these dates with abjad calculations of the verses of the Qur'an. He says; " … if each of the letters "mim" and "lam" bearing the gemination mark are counted twice, the people who will dissolve the oppressions a century later may be disciples of Hazrat Mahdi." And gives the date 2010. "… if each of the letters "mim" and "lam" bearing the gemination mark are counted twice, the people who will dissolve the oppressions a century later…" he says these in 1910. "A century later", he says, Hazrat Mahdi and the disciples of Hazrat Mahdi will dissolve the system of the antichrist. So he says that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will be very influential in 2010 and that he will finish the task by 2020's. That is from the Rays page 605.

Look here he says, "...if that person (Hazrat Mahdi) who is truly awaited and will come in a century's time…" and he says this again in 1910. In Damascus, in Umayyad Mosque he says that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will appear in 1980. He says this in Damascus, in the Great Umayyad Mosque.

He says, "This blessed person who will come later will disseminate and implement the Treatise of Light as a program…" So he says that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will make explanations from the Treatise of Light as well. He says, '...he will make use of my books and make explanations from the Treatise of Light'. "…at the time of the greatest corruption at the end of time…" at the time of greatest turmoil,".. Almighty Allah will send a luminous person as both the mujdahid (reviver), and mujaddid (great scholars and leaders who deduce decrees from the verses and hadiths), and ruler, and the Mahdi, and Murshid (guide), Qutb al-A’zam (the greatest leader of the time), and that person will be from Ahl al-Bayt, from the Family of the Prophet (saas)." He says that Mahdi will be a sayyid. He will send that luminous person, Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). He says that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is in the Sight of God right now with his body and his soul. He says; "He will descend from the Sight of God to the Earth just when Christianity and Islam tend to unite""Jesus (pbuh) will descend among a Christian community and make that Christian community a Muslim community. " He says that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will annihilate Darwinism and materialism. He, himself, didn't say even a word against Darwinism. He says that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will be the one to put an end to it. He says, "He will have a small group of students. That small group of students will act with him and prepare books. He will prepare books by making use of foreign works and he will thus perform that task." Bediuzzaman also says, " No matter how few in number, they are regarded as being as powerful and valuable as a spiritual army." He says all these 80 years ago. This is not something new. I will present you the original copies of these books. There are also English translations of these, I will send them to you by underlining the related portions. This is really amazing but scholars, the majority of them all over the world, do not talk about the system of the Mahdi anymore. A miracle of our Prophet (saas) has been realized. It is hard to believe but has almost been prohibited. That is a miracle, nothing of this sort has ever happened for 1300 or1400 years, this is the first time.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: That is right. Hardly we hear anyone talking about this. Very true.

ADNAN OKTAR: They feel terrified when this subject matter is discussed. They keep saying, "Beware!" Talking about any other subject matter is allowed. Politics or whatever else comes to mind, even talking about communism is allowed but they are all terrified when you talk about Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). That is an amazing miracle of our Prophet (saas). He says that when he comes scholars will fiercely stand against the system of the Mahdi and they will say, "he won't come!" and they will not let this be talked about. He won't be talked about in the sermons, he won't be talked about in mosques, it will be forbidden. It will not be possible to talk about Hazrat Mahdi and the Antichrist. Look, it says explicitly here. The Words, page 318, Bediuzzaman says that Mahdi will come 1,400 years later. He says; "I believe that I am a servant of that wondrous person… " he calls him that wondrous person… "… who will come in the future and a rear guard to set background for him and a pioneering soldier of that great Commander." Barla Addendum, 28th Letter, page 250.

He calls Hazrat Mahdi "the real owner of the Treatise of Light." He says, "Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and his students are the real owners." In Kastamonu Addendum, page 72.

He says, "I am not Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) because I am not a sayyid." And he explains it as well. He says, "He will be sayyid." He says, "He (Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)) will have three great tasks. First one is to overthrow Darwinism and materialism. The others are to unite Muslim world and to establish the Islamic Union." Yes.. He also says, "But while doing so he will forge an alliance with Christian spirituals." He says, "The Mahdis who came before could only perform only one part, one aspect of one of those three tasks." Meaning they could only perform one part of one of those tasks. "Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will perform all three of those three tasks to the fullest," he says.

"He won't have time personally, Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)'s time will be very limited," he says. I mean he says that his time and his situation would not allow him to personally conduct book studies. But he says that 80 years ago.

He says that anarchy will start in 1971. He deduces these dates from the Qur'an with abjad calculations, but of course God knows what his real source is. He said that anarchy would start in 1971 and it happened exactly as he said it would. He said that his grave will be destroyed and it happened exactly as he said it would. He even stated the date he will die and it happened exactly as he said. He said that Adnan Menderes would be hung and what he said had been realized. He said that communism will collapse in Russia; that was proved to be true as well. For instance he had a student, Sayyid Salih Ozcan. We talked to him, we've also had a conversation here. He told him, "You will never be arrested as long as I am alive." Indeed all his students have been arrested but he hasn't been arrested (during the lifetime of Bediuzzaman).

There are hundreds of such events that he foretold and that had been realized exactly as he said it would. Everything he said happened exactly as he said it would. He says that "Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)'s time and situation would not let him perform this task personally. He will make use of long researches and detailed investigations of that crew…" meaning foreign research on paleontology and biology. "… he will make use of their works and take them as a ready program for himself. With those he would fulfill his task of collapsing Darwinism and materialism." "Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)'s students…" this small group of students, "…will have three features," he says; "sincerity, loyalty and solidarity." Bediuzzaman says; "No matter how few in number, they are regarded as being as powerful and valuable as a spiritual army." He says that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will save humanity from material and spiritual dangers and the Last Day Meaning, by the leave of God, he will protect them from anarchy and terror and prevent the Last Day from breaking loose.

Our Prophet (saas) says in his hadiths; "Even if there is one day left for the Last Day to break lose, God will prolong that single day and send Muhammad Mahdi (pbuh), from my sons." This is stated in Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Ibn Maje, Sunan an-Nasih, Sunan Dawud, Bayhaki and all. This is also mentioned in the book of Ibn-Hajar Baqqi's work named Al-Kawl al Muhtasar fiy Alamat al-Mehdiyyul Muntazar and in the works of Suyuti. "That person with the spiritual aid of all people of faith, with the solidarity of all scholars and saints, especially with the adhesion of millions of self-sacrificing millions strong and abundant sayyids from the line of Ahl al-Bayt , will perform that task."

I will show you the sources of the Treatise of Light on the Internet so that you can look them up from there. If we could show the links you can very easily go online and see the sources on the system of the Mahdi. There are English versions, Arabic versions and all.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: I've read the excerpts but I haven't come across the entire book.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. It would be good to examine the main sources this time, insha'Allah. Let us keep it at that for today, insha'Allah, if it is also appropriate for you. We will, insha'Allah, see each other again if God wills insha'Allah. May God be pleased with you. You've graced us, you've honored us.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: Insha'Allah. We will be thrilled to be in touch. We pray to Subhanallahu Teala all the time that May God give us the guidance according to the teachings of the Qur'an and the messenger of God(saas). That is the success for us, for all of us. And the message that is given by Mr. Adnan is very very powerful massage that we must be alert now, we must be aware. Time is very near. So I think the closer we are to the Qur'an, the closer we are to the Sunnah of the Messenger of God insha'Allah God will grant success insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: In the 55th verse of Surat An-Nur God says, "I will make you prevail in the world if you are sincere."

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: God's word is guaranteed to be correct. No question mark. It is going to come true.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. In Surat An-Nur, God promises; "God has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds…" Surat An-Nur, look, "to those among you who believe…" to whom? Only to those who believe, "… and work righteous deeds…" God talks about Muslims, look God talks about a special group among Muslims. Look; God says, "… among you…" among Muslims, "God has promised to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds."

"…that He will most certainly make them rulers in the earth as He made rulers those before them…” Where do we see those before them? We see them from the Qur'an. Who are those? There is Solomon (pbuh), there is Dhul'Qarnayn (pbuh). That is because the Qur'an is the source. See that God refers to the Qur'an; "… as He made rulers those before them…" How do we understand that God made rulers those before them in the verses of the Qur'an? When we look at the story of Dhul'Qarnayn, God says in the verses that he has been made ruler. God also says "We've made him ruler" for Solomon (pbuh) as well. God also says that He made Dhul'Qarnayn (pbuh) “...a ruler in the earth…" "…that He will most certainly make them rulers in the earth as He made rulers those before them… " Look, what does being ruler mean? They will be made a political, social power from all aspects. " He will most certainly make them rulers."

"…and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them," meaning Islam, "establish for them their religion…" He will make it a well-established system," meaning he will make it unbreakable. "… and that He will most certainly, after their fear, give them security in exchange;" meaning after anarchy, terror, violence and troubles, "… give them security in exchange." Muslims are being oppressed everywhere in the world right now. God says, "this will be changed." Almighty God explains the characteristics of Muslims, "… They will worship Me…" they will not be idolaters, "… and not associate any one with Me." Meaning they will not make additions or deletions from the Qur'an. "But those who disbelieve after this will be reprobates." (Surat An-Nur, 55)

I seek refuge with God from the satan; "God has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds.." (Surat An-Nur, 55) the abjad calculation of this verse gives the date 2019.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: As the final date? As a final date?

ADNAN OKTAR: No, the date 2019 refers to the time in which Islam will shine and show progress, insha'Allah. This is what Bediuzzaman says. This is also what is compliant with the hadiths. It is in agreement with the hadiths. Our Prophet (saas) refers to the lifespan of his ummah. Our Prophet (saas) says; "The lifespan of this world is seven thousand years. And five thousand six hundred years of this has already passed." If we subtract five thousand and six hundred from seven thousand, we get one thousand and four hundred. Everything will be done with between one thousand and four hundred and one thousand and five hundred. So this is the End Times. These hadiths are from Suyuti, there are seven hadiths. There is a special section about this in Suyuti's collection. And these are from the Treatise of Light, from the works of Bediuzzaman. These are thirteen, fourteen volumes of books.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: MaşaAllah.

ADNAN OKTAR: He has written almost all of these in prison. Here, in this page, he writes that he (Hazrat Mahdi) will destroy Darwinism and materialism, in page 246.

Masha'Allah. May God prolong your life. We will be expecting you again. Insha'Allah, pray for us. May God increase the level of our alliance. May God make Muslims love one another. May Almighty God make us loving and uniting instead of being opponents.

May Almighty God make us brothers in the Heaven. May God make us students of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), of the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh). May God protect us from becoming haughty, from egocentricity, from pride. May God make us not forget that we are His humble servants. May God increase our knowledge. May God protect us from the wrong path. May God grant us the blessing of seeing the Islamic Union. May God make the Muslims of the whole world love each other. May God rescue us from the very brink of the pit of Fire. May God join our hearts together so that we become brothers by His blessing. Insha'Allah, may God bring abundance to your life. May God be pleased with you.

SIR IQBAL SACRANIE: It's been a great pleasure hearing from you. May Allahu Teala give us guidance. It is really a wonderful occasion to meet with you brother Oktar.

ADNAN OKTAR: Alhamdulillah, Insha'Allah, we can have such conversations in the Gardens of Heaven as well, insha'Allah.