Yes - but social structure owes a lot to biology. But I concede that there have been formally matriarchal societies in the past, as opposed to informal ones nowadays which are more common than might appear to be the case. And of course, when all's said and done, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

Yes - but social structure owes a lot to biology. But I concede that there have been formally matriarchal societies in the past, as opposed to informal ones nowadays which are more common than might appear to be the case. And of course, when all's said and done, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

I guess I am having problems with this line of your original post, 'A women has a primary nurturing role that requires formal commitment'.

Does this mean a woman only become 'nurturing' if there's a particular commitment involved (such as ‘marriage’) from a biological perspective? Because I would have thought women are nurturing regardless (again from a biological perspective). Marriage is to form a family together which is basically a social structure based on social needs. Because two people can live happily together without the constitution of a marriage and can still remain just as nurturing to raise the same family. Gay people, for example and single women are raising family completely on their own. Can't say they are any less nurturing than those married people.

Agreed that women are generally nurturing regardless, sometimes even against their wider judgement, just as men and women often commit against other instincts. It's the commitment part that matters, not the "marriage", which is simply commitment formally recognised within a social framework. I guess its basically another form of contract whereby each party agrees the rules of their relationship before the law.

I have friends who have lived together with their partners for many year and have a great family life. They say they will not marry because there have been a lot of divorce in their families. They have seen the outcome of those marriage with a lot of bitterness between the partners. If Andy and Kim are happy about their partnership then that is fine. Perhaps because he has seen the split between his mum and dad he is in no hurry to marry. I think he will marry but not just now I am sure he loves Kim and she is good for him but I'm sure Andy will not rush into marriage but when the time is right he will.

Not really. I've been to big weddings and small weddings. That's not the point I am making. The key word is 'want'. I'd say most women want to (or dream about) have a big wedding but because of different circumstance, they can't always afford it. However, there are a few who aren't keen on big weddings but that's an exception and exceptions can't be taken as a rule.

All the guys I know (at least), I don’t remember them caring one way or another as far as the weddings were concerned. On the other hand, the girls (most of them) became obsessed with it to the point that one would wish it to be over asap. So these are just personal experiences however but then again, you don’t need to check every single rice to see if they are all properly cooked.

Anyway, I am not a big fan of weddings and marriages myself. I don’t like legal bindings. I think it creates more problems than solutions – especially nowadays where things are far more demanding and of very delicate nature. I am perfectly fine with a very nice and loving relationship but of course people are different.

I have friends who have lived together with their partners for many year and have a great family life. They say they will not marry because there have been a lot of divorce in their families. They have seen the outcome of those marriage with a lot of bitterness between the partners. If Andy and Kim are happy about their partnership then that is fine. Perhaps because he has seen the split between his mum and dad he is in no hurry to marry. I think he will marry but not just now I am sure he loves Kim and she is good for him but I'm sure Andy will not rush into marriage but when the time is right he will.

Yes, I am sure that has an affect too on top of taking a lot of responsibilities. Though women are getting better at taking care of themselves far more than ever before. But also, because of the rise, the complications in relationships are rising as well as women are far more opinionated than ever before.

I've speculated before that I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were already married. Neither of them seem like they'd welcome the attention from a public wedding, and Kim certainly doesn't seem like she'd enjoy flashing a massive engagement ring. Getting married quietly somewhere with just a couple of people there seems much more their style.