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opponents. people like jim comey andhillaryclintonandandrew mccabe, call on to be prosecuted, while trying to get investigations into his allies. mike flynn, paul manafort, and to himself. so this is -- in each case, decisions in these arenas are supposed to be made on the merits. not because of your standing with the president. and the way he corrupts them has long-standing deleterious effects for the overall -- >> house democrats said they're going to investigate this, nelson. this is just another component of what they plan to investigate. they had michael cohen on the hill this week. michael cohen has been compared to john dean during the nixon era. and john dean wrote an op-ed, and responding to it, he said what is most similar about my and mr. cohen's testimony, we challenge authoritarian presidents of the united states by revealing their lies and abuses of power. mr. trump is the first authoritarian president since mr. nixon and neither he or supporters will play fair. mr. cohen will be dealing with these people all the rest of his life. all americans are affected by t

opponents. people like jim comey and hillary clinton and andrew mccabe, call on to be prosecuted, while trying to get investigations into his allies. mike flynn, paul manafort, and to himself. so this is -- in each case, decisions in these arenas are supposed to be made on the merits. not because of your standing with the president. and the way he corrupts them has long-standing deleterious effects for the overall -- >> house democrats said they're going to investigate this, nelson. this...

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clintonabouttrump's intervention on the fbi on behalf of michael flynn, about the firing of james comey, the efforts to build a trump tower in moscow, possible russian financing and the hush money payments that michael cohen testified about just last wednesday. it's been noted before, it will be noted again, this committee, house judiciary has the power to draft articles of impeachment, which is what makes this new inquiry especially significant. earlier on this network tonight committee chairman nadler talked to rachel maddow. >> we've been having some very positive responses from a number of the 81 people today. for two years the republican congress did no oversight of the administration. none. they in fact acted as shields for the administration, for whatever they wanted to do. we have to protect the rule of law. and that means we have to investigate and hold hearings and lay out for the american people if the administration is involved in abuses of power or obstruction of justice. >> now, chairman nadler says both mueller's office and the southern district of new york are awar

clinton about trump's intervention on the fbi on behalf of michael flynn, about the firing of james comey, the efforts to build a trump tower in moscow, possible russian financing and the hush money payments that michael cohen testified about just last wednesday. it's been noted before, it will be noted again, this committee, house judiciary has the power to draft articles of impeachment, which is what makes this new inquiry especially significant. earlier on this network tonight committee...

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campaign. >> it's unbelievable howhillaryclintongotaway with the e-mail lie, the e-mail scam, the e-mail corruption. >> i guarantee you one thing, we're going to be talking about those e-mails every moment of every day. >> this is the biggest scandal since watergate. >> she lied like a dog on her e-mails. >> as far as briefings and all, i will do much better than hillary clinton ever did with her e-mails which she exposed the entire country to whatever she's learning as secretary of state. you don't get any worse than that. >> our panel is standing by, but first we want to get the latest from our own julia ainsley. julia, by my count you've been spending, let's call it, 12 hours a day at the justice department. and we keep talking about high anxiety. answer this to the extent you can. why is it we believe we're close? >> yeah, brian, something is fundamentally different in these past i would say 72 to 48 hours around this probe. i've been down there every day, basically for the last month, when we heard it might be coming soon. now we're told that it is on a day by day basis, hour b

campaign. >> it's unbelievable how hillary clinton got away with the e-mail lie, the e-mail scam, the e-mail corruption. >> i guarantee you one thing, we're going to be talking about those e-mails every moment of every day. >> this is the biggest scandal since watergate. >> she lied like a dog on her e-mails. >> as far as briefings and all, i will do much better than hillary clinton ever did with her e-mails which she exposed the entire country to whatever she's...

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billclintonarrivedby the truckload on capitol hill september of '98. this week may yield some clues to mueller's next steps. just this evening, we learned that attorneys for michael flynn are asking a federal judge for possibly scheduling a sentencing date because he may be required to testify in another case. prosecutors in the special counsel's office also say that flynn's cooperation with the mueller team is complete. they are taking no position on flynn's request for a sentencing delay. we'll get into this in a moment. mueller's cases involving roger stone and rick gates are also set to get updates over the next few days. earlier on this network, the man who wrote the special counsel regs explained what he believes mueller is still focusing on. >> even if the president has a right to generally fire people, he can't do it for a corrupt motive. so i suspect that's what mueller is really looking at on the obstruction piece. and you're right to say there is intelligence, sometimes president trump calls it collusion, but this whole idea where people in the trump campaign conspiring w

bill clinton arrived by the truckload on capitol hill september of '98. this week may yield some clues to mueller's next steps. just this evening, we learned that attorneys for michael flynn are asking a federal judge for possibly scheduling a sentencing date because he may be required to testify in another case. prosecutors in the special counsel's office also say that flynn's cooperation with the mueller team is complete. they are taking no position on flynn's request for a sentencing delay....

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clintonandthere was things we don't know about that were flagged. but there's a wide range of issues that at the end of the day the intelligence community, the cia specifically, did not believe he should have the highest level of clearance. they were not coverabmfortable that. >> is this likely to open a new one or was there already an active bucket or sub bucket looking into security clearances? >> this is probably a pail in a bucket. in this case it is the issues that these contacts with russia that has been looked at by mueller, mueller has examined those, has questioned them about it, has questioned kushner about what he knew about flynn's contacts and such, i don't think that the actual security clearance granting is a criminal issue. it is simply something the president can give. it's something derived from the executive branch not governed or overseen by anyone else outside of it. so criminally, there's no indication that this is a problem. >> mike schmitt of the "new york times." with that, let's bring in our leadoff panel for another busy thursday night. former chief

clinton and there was things we don't know about that were flagged. but there's a wide range of issues that at the end of the day the intelligence community, the cia specifically, did not believe he should have the highest level of clearance. they were not coverabmfortable that. >> is this likely to open a new one or was there already an active bucket or sub bucket looking into security clearances? >> this is probably a pail in a bucket. in this case it is the issues that these...

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clinton. ittook me three minutes to put together five minutes of those men screaming at the top of their lungs about what bill clinton's actions that made up part of his impeachment proceedings meant. to see all those men eat their words for breakfast, lunch and dinner will be amusing to me as someone who bemoans the death of the modern republican party. >>> on the obstruction question, none of us knows what's in the mueller report. neither does rudy giuliani. neither does this white house. but we do know that the president intended to, attempted to obstruct justice and we do know that robert mueller investigated all those actions. the attempted firing of robert mueller. the efforts to get jeff sessions to unrecuse. chuck rosenberg, our colleague, said that's not even a thing, unrecusal. all of the tweets -- we know that robert mueller assembled and tried to put together the tweets, the public statements. donald trump went to the rose garden and attacked jeff sessions for recusing. i mean, there is such a vast body of this intent to obstruct this investigation. i think when you see

clinton. it took me three minutes to put together five minutes of those men screaming at the top of their lungs about what bill clinton's actions that made up part of his impeachment proceedings meant. to see all those men eat their words for breakfast, lunch and dinner will be amusing to me as someone who bemoans the death of the modern republican party. >>> on the obstruction question, none of us knows what's in the mueller report. neither does rudy giuliani. neither does this white...

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effort to hurthillaryclintonandhelp donald trump. and then we learn that a trump campaign adviser had spoken to a russian operative about the dirt they had on hillary clinton. before any of us knew anything about it. how on earth would the fbi leave that alone? >> bob, is that in keeping with your understanding of the training and purpose of the fbi? >> well, i'll tell you, brian, in a lot of instances, in a lot of investigations you go into them looking to see if any of the smoke or the different things that you heard about even pan out to be anything real. and i don't think this case is anything different. i think the good things about this investigation quite frankly if there is any is the fact that bob mueller and his team were allowed to do their job for a couple years and look through extensively what was going on with that. and it appears in some regards that there's no evidence of any large-scale collusion with russia, which is outstanding. i think the part that we're all waiting on right now is to try to figure out what if any obstruction has occurred in this throughout t

effort to hurt hillary clinton and help donald trump. and then we learn that a trump campaign adviser had spoken to a russian operative about the dirt they had on hillary clinton. before any of us knew anything about it. how on earth would the fbi leave that alone? >> bob, is that in keeping with your understanding of the training and purpose of the fbi? >> well, i'll tell you, brian, in a lot of instances, in a lot of investigations you go into them looking to see if any of the...

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hillaryclinton. andso this is an opportunity perhaps to distance himself a little bit from the republican party. i think what you see on substance here is republicans bucking him in the senate on all the little agenda items from now until the end of the congress. you're seeing an assertion of power by republicans in congress. they're going to battle him on the budget. but he doesn't care about all those little things. what he cares about is the wall. what he cares about is the messaging. what he cares about is the politics and what he cares about is what it says about him. so for the 2020 re-elect, this may be a chance for him to go to voters and say, look, i'm trying to clean up washington. look at even these republicans, they're standing in my way. >> andrew, to that last point, what will this usher in? are we going to see people kind of remaining in the ben sasse mode of sound and furry and furrow brow and go ahead and vote with the president at the end of the day. or are we going to see people finding courage in the corners of congress? >> well, i think this week alone you

hillary clinton. and so this is an opportunity perhaps to distance himself a little bit from the republican party. i think what you see on substance here is republicans bucking him in the senate on all the little agenda items from now until the end of the congress. you're seeing an assertion of power by republicans in congress. they're going to battle him on the budget. but he doesn't care about all those little things. what he cares about is the wall. what he cares about is the messaging....

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hillaryclintonnotbeing under investigation, and reopening the investigation shortly before the election. i thought that was an interesting piece he did not pick up on. he said he was glad that the report was done, that robert mueller was able to do his work, he said it should be good news for the american people. he wanted to point out that he did not have an outcome that he desired, that he wanted the work to be done. >> and peter baker, your piece in tonight's times clearly labelled news analysis goes into the breakage of norms. which norms specifically, and those unforeseen by the reges that governed mueller's appointment and behavior? >> that's exactly right. what we already know about the question of obstruction has been out in front of us, and in our faces, you know, the president did fire jim comey after not getting the answers he wanted. he did fire attorney general jeff sessions because he was mad that sessions recused himself from the russia investigation and couldn't protect him. he left open the possibility of pardons even as people were being brought to testify aga

hillary clinton not being under investigation, and reopening the investigation shortly before the election. i thought that was an interesting piece he did not pick up on. he said he was glad that the report was done, that robert mueller was able to do his work, he said it should be good news for the american people. he wanted to point out that he did not have an outcome that he desired, that he wanted the work to be done. >> and peter baker, your piece in tonight's times clearly labelled...

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. >> very strong words and when the president wasbillclinton. thoseto see all of those men someone who bemoans the death of the republic party. neither does this white house. we do know that president attempted to obstruck, the chuck ros rosenberg, donald trump went to the rose garden. such a investigation. that is my understanding, that is not an exonnereration. there are open questions, if there is exposure around witness caring. >> is it possible that mueller could come to the few things th that is a something asdin to, in this area, i thought it best adjusticated by congress. >> that is the way our system works. mueller move proved natrump lied to the 2016 election, saying i have no business dealers with russia. that is not a crime. but, it is something that is a when you have aemgzs like that. >> counsel, it is possible, it remains they see a held or two, they refers to the southern sdnlth of can drop what they want and what they have anya state prosecutors, which have congress, a branch of government. when you get to the southern district of new york, or virginia. those are feder

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looks a lot likebillclintonwhomanaged to sustain himself through prosecution that didn't mean anything in the end because it didn't remove him from office. the other element is nancy pelosi has been around the block. she understands how they play out. unlike the people who are more enthusiastic about the immediate step to impeachment, they don't understand that the political benefit they gain from it is deminms. compared to the political benefit of holding donald trump to count. you can grind down donald trump's political stature and power and reduce him to a hollow shell of a man by going after the things he has legitimately done to deserve full investigations. there is a lot of corruption here beyond even the russia story that this administration is hip deep in. there is a lot of things the house can do that are the right policy decision and the right political decision. >> back to your favorite subject, the wall. i will read the president's tweet on said subject today. republican senators have a very easy vote this week. it is about border security and the wall, stopping cr

looks a lot like bill clinton who managed to sustain himself through prosecution that didn't mean anything in the end because it didn't remove him from office. the other element is nancy pelosi has been around the block. she understands how they play out. unlike the people who are more enthusiastic about the immediate step to impeachment, they don't understand that the political benefit they gain from it is deminms. compared to the political benefit of holding donald trump to count. you can...

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likebillclintonwhomanaged to bring his base together and sustain himself through a prosecution that didn't mean anything in the end because it didn't remove him from office. so the other, you know, element of this is nancy pelosi's been around the block, she's seen these things happen, she understand how they play out. and unlike the people who are more enthusiastic about, you know, that immediate step to impeachment they don't understand that the political gain they get is de minimis compared to the political benefit of holding donald trump to account by using the oversight process in the house. you can grind down trump's political stature and power and reduce him to a hollow shell of a man by going after the things he's legitimately done to deserve full investigations. there's a lot of corruption here. beyond even the russia story. that this administration is hip deep in. and so there's a lot of things the house can do that are the right policy decision and the right political decision. >> back to your favorite subject, the wall. i will dramatically read the president's tweet on s

like bill clinton who managed to bring his base together and sustain himself through a prosecution that didn't mean anything in the end because it didn't remove him from office. so the other, you know, element of this is nancy pelosi's been around the block, she's seen these things happen, she understand how they play out. and unlike the people who are more enthusiastic about, you know, that immediate step to impeachment they don't understand that the political gain they get is de minimis...

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republican party to do it and ran againstlihillyclinton. thisis an opportunity to distance himself from the republican party. i think what you see on substance here is republicans bucking him in the senate on all the little agenda items from now until the end of the congress. you're seeing an assertion of power by republicans in congress. they will battle limb him on t l budget. he cares about the wall, the messaging and politics and what it says about him. for the 2020 re-elect this may be a chance to say i'm trying to clean up washington and look at these republicans, they're standing in my way. >> andrew to that last point, what will there usher in? are we going to see people kind of remaining in the ben sass mode of sound and fury and furrowed brow, kind of the flake model or will we see people finding courage in the corners of congress? >> this week alone you had this vote on the national emergency disapproval. you had a veote in the senate cutting off u.s. support for the saudi led coalition. in house you had the 420-0 vote on making the mueller report public. we saw

republican party to do it and ran against lihilly clinton. this is an opportunity to distance himself from the republican party. i think what you see on substance here is republicans bucking him in the senate on all the little agenda items from now until the end of the congress. you're seeing an assertion of power by republicans in congress. they will battle limb him on t l budget. he cares about the wall, the messaging and politics and what it says about him. for the 2020 re-elect this may be...

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russians promised dirt onhillaryclintonandduring the campaign manafort shared 75 pages of detailed internal polling data with his former business partner and friend c kilimnik, a ukrainian with ties to russian intelligence and our friend clint watts is here, a former fbi special agent and expert and the author of "messing with the enemy" surviving in a social media world of hackers, terrorists, russians and fake news. that ties up loose ends. i have a dual question for you. your reaction to the sentencing perhaps more importantly what do you think the kremlin reaction to this sentencing was? >> yeah, i think it speaks to our justice system, right? when you look at it, this has been the case that's dominated american attention. this is at the highest levels of our government, we're talking about a counter intelligence white collar crime fraud, multi angles. y y ukraine to the united states in four years, this are sentences for drugs, basic drug distribution that might go way over that. >> filled with it. >> filled with it. whole states, when i lived in california, just looking at th

russians promised dirt on hillary clinton and during the campaign manafort shared 75 pages of detailed internal polling data with his former business partner and friend c kilimnik, a ukrainian with ties to russian intelligence and our friend clint watts is here, a former fbi special agent and expert and the author of "messing with the enemy" surviving in a social media world of hackers, terrorists, russians and fake news. that ties up loose ends. i have a dual question for you. your...

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have shifted within the party and whether he'll be held accountable in the way thathillaryclintonwasoften, you know, as people perused her past. so that's the issue with biden. it's really just an electability issue. >> and, laura, allow me to quote politico. i figured you would not object. "behind closed doors, the president has fixated on biden while top aides have tried to assure their boss that the former vice president is doomed. in recent weeks, trump has peppered aides on more than one occasion for updates on how biden is faring in early democratic primary polls. a sign of just how seriously trump takes the potential candidacy." laura, is that because he sees him as a peer, a fellow fighter, a warhorse? >> it might be that. it also may be just the fact that biden is at the top of so many of these polls and right behind him is bernie sanders, but unlike sanders, again, although biden likes to say that he is among the most progressive that would run, or that are running, he -- he is going to have to face a very different democratic primary than he ever has before, and he's

have shifted within the party and whether he'll be held accountable in the way that hillary clinton was often, you know, as people perused her past. so that's the issue with biden. it's really just an electability issue. >> and, laura, allow me to quote politico. i figured you would not object. "behind closed doors, the president has fixated on biden while top aides have tried to assure their boss that the former vice president is doomed. in recent weeks, trump has peppered aides on...

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clintonwasnot convicted of crimes, but was impeached. andrew johnson was impeach and did not 7serve a prison sentenc. >> our thanks on a friday night to john and annie. two returning veterans. thank you. coming up for us, we ask two of the most widely published historians of our time if there is hope for what one guest describes as a new age of enlightenment in this post mueller era. that when we come back. ome back >>> the crazy attempt by the democrat party and the fake news media right back there and the deep state to overturn the results of the 2016 election have failed. the democrats have to now decide whether they will continue defrauding the public with ridiculous bull -- >> that's new in our public discourse and the rest of it, another example of the president's unique embrace of tribalism, his attacks on the other, anyone, everyone who has gone against him are not new. one of our next guests suggest each side view this moment as a learning opportunity. in an article for time, john meachem wants to tend to assess events not in the light of reason, but with the flame of partisa

clinton was not convicted of crimes, but was impeached. andrew johnson was impeach and did not 7serve a prison sentenc. >> our thanks on a friday night to john and annie. two returning veterans. thank you. coming up for us, we ask two of the most widely published historians of our time if there is hope for what one guest describes as a new age of enlightenment in this post mueller era. that when we come back. ome back >>> the crazy attempt by the democrat party and the fake news...

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accountable in a criminal court.billclintonwasnot convicted of any crimes but impeached. andrew johnson was impeached and did not serve any prison sentence. >>> with big tips to the hats of our john allen and our annie karni. appreciate it, guys. >> we ask two of the most historians of our time, if there is any hopeful of what one of our guests describe as a new age of enlightment as this post era as we come back. my experience with usaa has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today. ♪ ♪ ahhhh! ♪ we're here. ♪ ♪ you wouldn't accept from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? f

accountable in a criminal court. bill clinton was not convicted of any crimes but impeached. andrew johnson was impeached and did not serve any prison sentence. >>> with big tips to the hats of our john allen and our annie karni. appreciate it, guys. >> we ask two of the most historians of our time, if there is any hopeful of what one of our guests describe as a new age of enlightment as this post era as we come back. my experience with usaa has been excellent. they really...

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that, he has said in the past, remember when he was running againsthillaryclinton. ifshe was elected that maybe the second amendment people could do something about it. he has offered to pay the legal bills for people at his rallies who roughed up anti-trump demonstrators. so he has a -- this certain kind of macho lusting for seeing violence perpetrated against his enemies. and it's really. at this point i don't think we should be surprised to hear him say anything. but sadly, it fits with his political persona. >> and sadly, that's why, because you cover both sides of this. that's why your name occurred to us today to come on tonight and talk about this dynamic that we witnessed today. jeremy peters, good to see you. thank you for coming on, as always. >>> coming up, the president suggests that we all study something that he finds crazy about his newest rival. we'll have those instructions when we come back. i can't believe it. that we're playing "four on four" with a barbershop quartet? [quartet singing] bum bum bum bum... pass the ball... pass the rock.. ...we're open just

that, he has said in the past, remember when he was running against hillary clinton. if she was elected that maybe the second amendment people could do something about it. he has offered to pay the legal bills for people at his rallies who roughed up anti-trump demonstrators. so he has a -- this certain kind of macho lusting for seeing violence perpetrated against his enemies. and it's really. at this point i don't think we should be surprised to hear him say anything. but sadly, it fits with...

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campaign and hurthillaryclinton. allof those cases still today the special counsel's office appears to have not yet handed off. we expect that they will very, very soon. we expect that will happen imminently. but it hasn't happened yet, as far as we can tell. that said, mueller has handed over to other u.s. attorneys some of the other cases they've been working on, including the paul manafort case. manafort has started his federal prison sentence already. but that's got some interesting ongoing investigation where they're trying to have more from his case unsealed. they've also handed off the rick gates, the president's campaign chair. he is awaiting sentencing. also a couple others. i mentioned last night on the show that today there was going to be a hearing in federal court in d.c. in one of these cases that until now was handled by robert mueller and his prosecutors, but it's been handed over now to a u.s. attorney's office, to the u.s. attorney's office in d.c. that hearing happened today. it was a case that has become known as the mystery case. it's a mystery because we don't kno

campaign and hurt hillary clinton. all of those cases still today the special counsel's office appears to have not yet handed off. we expect that they will very, very soon. we expect that will happen imminently. but it hasn't happened yet, as far as we can tell. that said, mueller has handed over to other u.s. attorneys some of the other cases they've been working on, including the paul manafort case. manafort has started his federal prison sentence already. but that's got some interesting...

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at one time folth reagan and bush andevenclintonyearsto being a fairly liberal court more recently. and so the folks from d.c. and maryland who are challenging trump on these emol' yumts issues knew they were in for a rough sxried that's exactly what they got. >> when you reach adult life you realize that what they teach you in civics about justice being blind isn't quite the case, and it looks like you saw the display, the illustration of that today, that there are consequences following our elections. tell folks what happens to this case now. is whatever the 4th circuit determination is going to be the end of the line for this? >> i think it effectively could be the end of the line. obviously, these three judges, whatever resolution they come to, which i think will be throwing a significant hurdle in front of this case, discovery, depositions and subpoenas in this case are already on hold. it could be taken to the broader bench of the 4th circuit. but that all takes time. and there are several other cases like this that also seem to be moving at a rather glacial pace. i

at one time folth reagan and bush and even clinton years to being a fairly liberal court more recently. and so the folks from d.c. and maryland who are challenging trump on these emol' yumts issues knew they were in for a rough sxried that's exactly what they got. >> when you reach adult life you realize that what they teach you in civics about justice being blind isn't quite the case, and it looks like you saw the display, the illustration of that today, that there are consequences...

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clintonadministrationthe supreme court established that a president can be sued in federal court. that was the paula jones case. but that supreme court ruling in 1997 left the question about state court cases open. well, today, this new york state appeals court said we think a president can be sued in state court. and so therefore this particular state court lawsuit against president trump that is before us today, it can go forward. the immediate material consequence of that ruling in new york today is that the lawsuit they were considering when they made this ruling, the lawsuit against the president by a woman named summer zervos, that lawsuit will proceed. s in a woman who says the president sexually and aggressively groped her and crucially, she says he then defamed her when she melinda the allegation publicly and he publicly claimed she was a liar. her case proceeding now in state court will ultimately lead to discovery in that case. and discovery can be a very big deal. remember from where we got all the stuff on the christopher stiehl cases defamation cases are one way to get co

clinton administration the supreme court established that a president can be sued in federal court. that was the paula jones case. but that supreme court ruling in 1997 left the question about state court cases open. well, today, this new york state appeals court said we think a president can be sued in state court. and so therefore this particular state court lawsuit against president trump that is before us today, it can go forward. the immediate material consequence of that ruling in new...

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object to that approach, but it's his choice. he's the president. and it'swhatclintondidto ken starr. >> with us to talk about all of this, chuck rosenberg, a former u.s. attorney, former senior fbi official as well, and matthew miller, former chief spokesman for the u.s. department of justice. matt, i understand you knew ty cobb in a previous life. anything there surprise you? >> not really. i did work with ty in the private sector. we shared a client a few years ago. i think if you look at what ty said about bob mueller, it's what you would expect anyone in his position in washington to say. bob mueller has been respected for a long time -- >> an american hero. >> -- american hero. it only sounds so unusual because it's not in keeping with who ty cobb worked with in the white house, from the president on down. it's not what you hear from the president's new counsel, rudy giuliani, it's not what you hear from his spokesperson. so it's an odd thing of remarks that you would expect from any seasoned member of the bar. it's just not what you hear from this president. >> this is w

object to that approach, but it's his choice. he's the president. and it's what clinton did to ken starr. >> with us to talk about all of this, chuck rosenberg, a former u.s. attorney, former senior fbi official as well, and matthew miller, former chief spokesman for the u.s. department of justice. matt, i understand you knew ty cobb in a previous life. anything there surprise you? >> not really. i did work with ty in the private sector. we shared a client a few years ago. i think...

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cohen's sworn testimony. of course,presidentclintonsatfor four hours to the special prosecutor back in august 1998. president trump has yet to do so. >> frank, as a veteran investigator, precisely the people carol covers for a living, how does it strike you that you have donald trump seemingly unable to stop talking about manafort and cohen? is there jeopardy that you see there? >> i think it's a strategy fraught with peril. we are probably giving him too much credit when we call it a strategy. rest assured that prosecutors and investigators are recording all of his public statements. the concept of him aligning his fate with manafort's light sentence or slamming cohen for his cooperation with the government is really fraught with peril. there is a concept in the law. here is a little late night latin. it translates as let the master answer. that legal concept is embodied in vicarious liability. it's in the civil rico statute. it's the concept of the master being liable for the acts of those under him in his, in many cases, organized crime families. every time he publicly ties

cohen's sworn testimony. of course, president clinton sat for four hours to the special prosecutor back in august 1998. president trump has yet to do so. >> frank, as a veteran investigator, precisely the people carol covers for a living, how does it strike you that you have donald trump seemingly unable to stop talking about manafort and cohen? is there jeopardy that you see there? >> i think it's a strategy fraught with peril. we are probably giving him too much credit when we...