Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

CZ-75B, 9mm, Stainless Steel. Slavonic Bible opened up to somewhere in Luke. I don't read Slavonic. But I have punched a lot of holes in cardboard MilPark targets with that CZ. Thousands of them. This CZ is one of my favorite military pistols, and Luke is my favorite of the Synoptic Gospels.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

I think I tend to agree with Michal on this one. I fully understand the willingness to protect one's family and yourself but all this about having so many firearms in your house just sounds a little too much. Of course I can't know which situation each individual person finds himself in but couldn't it be possible to use a less dangerous method?

Maybe it's just me.

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Do not be cast down over the struggle - the Lord loves a brave warrior. The Lord loves the soul that is valiant.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

The difference being that the injured man in the "Good Samiritan" parable was the victim of thieves (I guess they had guns, too?) and not the thief himself. You'd be better off with an icon of the repentant thief at the crucifixion to prove your point.

I'll make this simple- I don't own a gun and don't have anything worth shooting someone else over. I personally think guns are a coward's weapon.

That said, guns are a reality, the train on the anti-gun movement left the station around the invention of gun powder. To prevent law-abiding citizens from owning weapons leaves them open to victimization from criminals. Banning guns doesn't stop the black-market on weapons, and even if we managed to invent a time-machine and prevent the invention of gun-powder we'd still be having this argument over the bow and arrow and swords. People have a right to defend themselves, and in this country they have the right to do so with fire-arms, instead of leaving themselves open to anyone who disrespects all lawful authority and individual rights to property and life by choosing to behave criminally. I do not judge people for exercising the human impulse of self-defense through the ownership and use of guns, especially people with wives and children to protect.

Also, I do find guns to be aesthetically appealing- a well-made tool is always beautiful, no matter what the intent behind its creation. Thus, I like the pictures on this thread, even though I have no intent of ever using one of the objects depicted here. You can choose to find this thread appalling, if you wish, I would find a world in which this thread was not allowed to exist because only the military and criminals have guns even more so.

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"Funny," said Lancelot, "how the people who can't pray say that prayers are not answered, however much the people who can pray say they are." TH White

How would you be able to get it while you had his pointed at your head? Can you teleport yourself?

Well, unlike some of the rabbit people here, I don't have to get it because it is already on me. And because I take my own and my families defense seriously enough to not rely on someone else to be a man for me if they are attacked, I have also been trained well enough to make sure that they do not get to theirs first. Situational awareness and all that.

CZ-75B, 9mm, Stainless Steel. Slavonic Bible opened up to somewhere in Luke.

That picture is not just stupid, but blasphemous and sacrilegious.

Where I was raised, having a Bible and a means to defend your right to read it are held on almost an equal footing. Being too much of a coward to defend that right, and the family that God gives you, is what is blasphemous and sacrilegious. Not all of us need our governments to do our fighting and thinking for us. In any case, thank you for your opinion. Perhaps if as a moderator, who should know better, you would have respected the title of this thread instead of interjecting your hoplophobic commentary, some of us would not find it necessary to express ours. There was another thread out there for commentary, this one is for pictures.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

CZ-75B, 9mm, Stainless Steel. Slavonic Bible opened up to somewhere in Luke.

That picture is not just stupid, but blasphemous and sacrilegious.

Where I was raised, having a Bible and a means to defend your right to read it are held on almost an equal footing. Being too much of a coward to defend that right, and the family that God gives you, is what is blasphemous and sacrilegious. Not all of us need our governments to do our fighting and thinking for us. In any case, thank you for your opinion. Perhaps if as a moderator, who should know better, you would have respected the title of this thread instead of interjecting your hoplophobic commentary, some of us would not find it necessary to express ours. There was another thread out there for commentary, this one is for pictures.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

"Excuse me, person breaking into my house, while I run down to the bank, wait for it to open, and get my guns out of the safety deposit box. Oh, I see while I was talking you have already shot me. Carry on, then."

If it hadn't been allowed for anyone to buy guns in a supermarket no one would be shot.

criminals will always find ways to obtain firearms...not sure where a person can buy a gun in a supermarket though...

Walmart.

Now to both- Ortho-cat is indeed right. Most criminals do not obtain their guns through legal channels. The few legally-bought firearms that are used in crimes (where the person who bought the gun is the offender, not a legally-sold gun that is then obtained through illegal means such as theft) are usually used in "crimes of passion" where any handy weapon- even the human hand- will do.

oh, they don't sell them at our walmarts. besides, when they did a while back, they were just hunting rifles...no pistols, which are by far the most common firearm used in assaults/robberies/etc.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

Seeing as how the only picture we have on this thread that we can be sure is full automatic is one posted by an actual soldier, who has good reason to use full automatics, I think we can correctly infer that automatic weapons are a red-herring, and it's guns in general our friend has issue with.

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"Funny," said Lancelot, "how the people who can't pray say that prayers are not answered, however much the people who can pray say they are." TH White

No t a big pic taker, but I will tell you that right now I have a 12 gauge Mossberg pump shotgun. In past I have owned a 10/22 Ruger (.22 rifle), a Taurus 82 (.38 revolver) and a Charles Daly .45 1911; largely at different times. I may or may not buy a pistol again, but as I am not a deer hunter, will probably not get another rifle; have hunted birds with shotgun, though. Guns are one thing that I am almost entirely to completely libertarian. I thoroughly understand and re4spect people's choice not to have one, and if my living situation was different, I would probably not keep one either. However, this should be the person's choice, not the government's

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

I didn't ask what your opinions about guns are, I asked everyone who owns one to show them off. If you don't like guns, that's fine, but keep your whiny Euro-trash opinions to yourself, boy.

So disagreeing with something is now forbidden on a forum?

For me at least, it isn't guns that I find so disturbing it is the display of them. I know several people here who hunt, fish and use their various weapons responsibly. They don't have their children pose with guns. They don't photograph them on top of the Holy Scriptures. They use them appropriately and then keep them locked up and out of sight at home. There is no culture of glorifying them here. I agree with Pan Michał here - the American style worship of guns is some sort of machismo thing and has nothing to do with practicality.

I didn't ask what your opinions about guns are, I asked everyone who owns one to show them off. If you don't like guns, that's fine, but keep your whiny Euro-trash opinions to yourself, boy.

So disagreeing with something is now forbidden on a forum?

For me at least, it isn't guns that I find so disturbing it is the display of them. I know several people here who hunt, fish and use their various weapons responsibly. They don't have their children pose with guns. They don't photograph them on top of the Holy Scriptures. They use them appropriately and then keep them locked up and out of sight at home. There is no culture of glorifying them here. I agree with Pan Michał here - the American style worship of guns is some sort of machismo thing and has nothing to do with practicality.

Now, now! Not all of us American males need a firearm to be secure in our masculinity.

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I didn't ask what your opinions about guns are, I asked everyone who owns one to show them off. If you don't like guns, that's fine, but keep your whiny Euro-trash opinions to yourself, boy.

So disagreeing with something is now forbidden on a forum?

For me at least, it isn't guns that I find so disturbing it is the display of them. I know several people here who hunt, fish and use their various weapons responsibly. They don't have their children pose with guns. They don't photograph them on top of the Holy Scriptures. They use them appropriately and then keep them locked up and out of sight at home. There is no culture of glorifying them here. I agree with Pan Michał here - the American style worship of guns is some sort of machismo thing and has nothing to do with practicality.

Here, here.

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But it had not been in Tess's power - nor is it in anybody's power - to feel the whole truth of golden opinions while it is possible to profit by them. She - and how many more - might have ironically said to God with Saint Augustine, "Thou hast counselled a better course than thou hast permitted."

How about self defense? In the long run owning a fire arm can be cheaper than learning a self defense system that can take years to master to proper effiecency. Most rapists prey on women who are weaker than them, or at least appear to be weaker. I would rather my wife put two in the chest and one in the head of any attacker than leave my daughter with out a mother.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

How about self defense? In the long run owning a fire arm can be cheaper than learning a self defense system that can take years to master to proper effiecency. Most rapists prey on women who are weaker than them, or at least appear to be weaker. I would rather my wife put two in the chest and one in the head of any attacker than leave my daughter with out a mother.

I wonder about that. I think it is very very very hard to kill someone. You really have to be pretty hard to take the top of someones head off. I think a normal person without military training would hesitate. Then the gun is taken away from her and there is hell to pay.. i really don't know. Just speculating.

If someone takes Karate they are made to be relaxed about hitting someone and being hit. It takes years of training. I think a Woman with Karate training stands better chance.

It's not the ability to fire a weapon that counts, it's what's in your head during an emergency that will determine your outcome

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Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm