What is most irritating is with the exception of Google all the map data comes from NEMA so essentially we pay for the hard work (data collection) with tax dollars, the nav companies (navteq) pay a really small fee for the data (because we subsidize it in the first place) and they then mark it up 1000% to sell to hardware providers (HK) who in turn mark it up ...now with this add in a 2nd (chryfi) and most likely 3rd (dealer) party markup...while the great big screen and built in nav look cool I'd rather buy a new tomtom every 5 years and be able to plan routes,change routes,traffic cams, etc...

They are only free once you recoup the development costs. And after that, the developers to expect to make a profit. While I think they are over priced on all onboard systems, the concept of free after development shows a lack of understanding of the software business.

That's what I meant by once developed and having quotes around "free".

The profit gained by enticing extended warranty sales with free updates would net a much better ROI enhancement than trying to sell the updates on their own merit.

This is incremental sales to people who would not have purchased the map update otherwise.

Map updates are already incremental margin anyway, the developers are going to be updating the maps and software regardless of whether anyone purchases an overpriced update, I don't think we would want our 2018 Jeeps coming out with 2013 NAV maps...

Just wondering if I should be concerned about the panoramic sunroof. Have seen a number of posters complain about rattling. Is this really a concern and should I be thinking about deleting this option when ordering.

While at the NAIAS this January I had a chance to really look over the Red Diesel summit they had on display. I noticed the fender shields were not just black plastic but were made up of some sort of fabric material. Is this type of fender shield only for Diesel or Export? Or will they be on the Hemi Summit as well. At work (WAP) yesterday I noticed the Diesel Export Minivans have these facbric type fender shields in the wheel wells. My buddy said these fender shields help with noise etc. My question to anyone who could answer is wouldn't these type of fender shields be hard to keep clean? With all the mud/clay etc in the wheel well. I like to keep my cars very clean and most of the time I even clean in the wheel wells to get the dirt etc. I'd hate to have a clean Balck Summit with dirty wheel wells because of the fabric type material. I noticed these fabric type fender shields at the auto show and yesterday on the diesel export minivans and wondered if they are easy to clean? Anyone know?

Just wondering if I should be concerned about the panoramic sunroof. Have seen a number of posters complain about rattling. Is this really a concern and should I be thinking about deleting this option when ordering.

While at the NAIAS this January I had a chance to really look over the Red Diesel summit they had on display. I noticed the fender shields were not just black plastic but were made up of some sort of fabric material. Is this type of fender shield only for Diesel or Export? Or will they be on the Hemi Summit as well. At work (WAP) yesterday I noticed the Diesel Export Minivans have these facbric type fender shields in the wheel wells. My buddy said these fender shields help with noise etc. My question to anyone who could answer is wouldn't these type of fender shields be hard to keep clean? With all the mud/clay etc in the wheel well. I like to keep my cars very clean and most of the time I even clean in the wheel wells to get the dirt etc. I'd hate to have a clean Balck Summit with dirty wheel wells because of the fabric type material. I noticed these fabric type fender shields at the auto show and yesterday on the diesel export minivans and wondered if they are easy to clean? Anyone know?

Our VW has the same fuzzy plastic/cloth fender well liners. They clean up just fine with the hose or driving in rain. They do hold dry dust/dirt more than smooth plastic when dry, obviously.

They do make a huge difference in road noise, especially when driving in the rain.

Does anyone have pictures of light frost and light frost beige? Is there a noticeable difference in the two? My wife and I agreed on a '14 black Overland. I preferred the indigo, but she prefers a lighter interior. Pictures and thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.

When i got my 2007 Lexus IS350, I noticed the same material in the wheel wells. I obviously thought I was pretty special and that Lexus uses top notch material. Then my brother got a 2007 Corolla and it has the same material...haha.

They definitely help with road noise...especially with sand/salt kicking up off the road.

Mine always held a bit of dirt, but there is practically no fender gap to get in there with a hose and brush to clean it. Wouldn't be worried at all with an SUV that has this material. Stiff bristle brush will clean it up with just a few passes. Tried it once with my wheel off and it was super easy to clean.