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the beats on iron flag are weak. 8 diagrams isn't all that much better, but at least it's unique in a way. I've only given iron flag one full spin and don't intend to give it another one.

but I don't care about those two disappointments anymore. I just want the new album to be good, but I think they need other producers.

I don't trust RZA anymore. Black Mozart and New Wu off CL2 were bangers, but he had no beats on shaolin vs. wu-tang, and yet his own pupil gave Rae a dope ass beat (Silver Rings). he gave Wu-Massacre one decent beat (Our Dreams) and I think he had one mediocre beat on Pro Tools. and when was the last time he gave Ghost a beat, Pretty Toney Album??

What beat was wack on Iron flag? I don't even hate 8D but I think it's universally looked at as the weakest Lp

iron flag is divided between excellent songs and horrible songs while 8 diagrams is overall underwhelming and average with less music that is totally bad but also very little music thats absolutely great.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)

yea, id imagine most fans would. and i doubt they would miss your 1 purchase

why not quote everything I said, and answer everything I said

my point was - they are not good enough for me, the last album was boring, most of their solos after 2007 are their worst moments since they started rapping.... new exciting people coming into the game

People, such as myself, will be disappointed if it is just some thrown together, un-cohesive album with cut and paste verses and no focus, kinda like 8 Diagrams was....

However, if it's like the first 2 albums, then most ppl will enjoy it.

THIS.

And 8 Diagrams was a promising name for an album too. That doesn't make it necessarly good, or significant. I'm afraid they could get really preachy on this album, especially RZA. I hate RZAs parts on the new Ghost video.

12 reasons to die is one of the year's best releases already. Rae's CL2 and shaolin vs wutang were both good, and there's more good shit coming up. for dudes in their 40s, I'd say it's pretty impressive