That’s the call from senior figures in Southampton as a controversial documentary company aims to focus on immigration in the city.

Love Productions – which filmed the Channel 4 show Benefits Street – has been filming in the St Mary’s area of the city for a documentary with a working title understood to be Immigration Street.

Its Benefits Street documentary focused on one of Britain’s most deprived areas but was criticised for the way it portrayed some of the residents and storylines.

Now the production company has approached people living in Derby Road for a sequel focusing on immigration and the area’s diverse communities.

But it has sparked concerns among key figures in the city who fear it could create tensions in the area.

They have been led by Southampton City Council leader Simon Letts, who said he didn’t want to see the production filmed in the city.

The authority has also told residents to be cautious if they have been approached by the company to appear on the show and contacted Love Productions to seek clarification about the “nature and content” of the programme.

But it claims two meetings between the council and its head producer were cancelled at short notice by the production company.

It has also raised concerns that filming has taken place before the company provided clarification on the nature of the film.

Love Productions says the title and location of the show have yet to be confirmed, but film crews were seen in the Derby Road area of St Mary’s yesterday filming residents.

The Daily Echo spoke to a number of people in the road who confirmed they have been filmed for the show and they hoped it would portray immigration in a positive light.

However Cllr Letts said: “I think this sort of reality television show, which is finding entertainment out of individual cases, rarely has something good coming out of it.

“We have never had issues with race relations and we would not want that to be put at risk.

“It is not my decision, but my preference is that they do not show this show at all.

“But if they do make it then they should make it somewhere else.”

Harjap Singh, chairman of Sikh Council Hampshire and Southampton Gurdwara Council, said both organisations have raised concerns over the programme.

He said: “We are against it because it would be pretty bad for community relations.

“A few people I have spoken to have raised concerns and have asked to make sure this doesn’t happen."

David Bane, secretary of the Southampton Council of Faiths, said the organisation was “cautious” over the programme.

He said: “The Council of Faiths had a meeting and there’s mixed feeling about it.

“We don’t have control over what the programme comes out like.

“The Southampton Council of Faiths is nearly 19 years old and we have worked very hard to link communities and keep the trust and peace.”

However Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.

He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.

“They should show a positive aspect of the community.

“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”

Councillor Satvir Kaur, Southampton City Council’s Cabinet member for communities, said: “If I am being completely honest I do have concerns about a potential programme called Immigration Street.

“We have one of the most diverse cities on the south coast. We have a variety of diverse communities in Southampton and community cohesion is something we should pride ourselves on.

“My concern is that it will not show that, and I am genuinely worried about vulnerable people in that area in Derby Road.

“I do not want them taken advantage of and portrayed as something they are not.

“Some people could be taken advantage of as they will not realise how the final edit will portray them.”

Southampton Test MP Alan Whitehead, who represents the area, said he was worried that the programme would follow a script rather than tell the truth and reflect the community accurately.

He said: “Some programmes can be a tremendous fillip and bonus in getting across to the public what the real issues are. I don’t think the company in this instance has a track record to do that.”

Mr Whitehead has written to every home in Derby Road asking people what they think about the planned programme.

Love Productions, which also makes programmes such as The Great British Bake Off, the Great British Sewing Bee and Mary Berry Cooks, has said it has not made a final decision on a location for its new series yet.

A Channel 4 spokesman said: “Love Productions are researching a potential new series for Channel 4 about life in a community where diverse groups of people live alongside one another.

“The title and location are not yet confirmed and discussions are ongoing with local people.

“Benefits Street sparked an important debate about the welfare system.

“It was a fair and balanced observational documentary series and was a sympathetic, humane and objective portrayal of how people are coping with continuing austerity and cuts in benefits.”

Comments (115)

Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.

Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.bigfella777

bigfella777 wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.

chav street would be a better idea .

[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.[/p][/quote]chav street would be a better idea .Bobs Your Uncle ?

So, the "Trojan Horse" project to radicalise schools in Birmingham is "multicultural" or is it "diverse"? Need to know because those 2 words appear otherwise quite meaningless.
Has Southampton got a Trojan Horse yet? Is one planned?

So, the "Trojan Horse" project to radicalise schools in Birmingham is "multicultural" or is it "diverse"? Need to know because those 2 words appear otherwise quite meaningless.
Has Southampton got a Trojan Horse yet? Is one planned?Dai Rear

bigfella777 wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.

You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want

[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.[/p][/quote]You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers wantPotatocake

bigfella777 wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.

You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want

OK, so "diverse" means "not English". Have I got that right? I suppose the word must mean something though possibly it's like "gadzooks", just expostulation.
Is Shirley "multicultural"? And if so, what does it mean?

[quote][p][bold]Potatocake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.[/p][/quote]You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want[/p][/quote]OK, so "diverse" means "not English". Have I got that right? I suppose the word must mean something though possibly it's like "gadzooks", just expostulation.
Is Shirley "multicultural"? And if so, what does it mean?Dai Rear

There is a rumour circulating ' down here in the jungle', that the would be interviewees / participants are to be paid £50, but have agreed to say it is just only £50, so that it doesn't affect their benefits.

There is a rumour circulating ' down here in the jungle', that the would be interviewees / participants are to be paid £50, but have agreed to say it is just only £50, so that it doesn't affect their benefits.Abkhazsoyuz

bigfella777 wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.

You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want

OK, so &quot;diverse" means "not English". Have I got that right? I suppose the word must mean something though possibly it's like "gadzooks", just expostulation.
Is Shirley "multicultural"? And if so, what does it mean?

Southampton truly is a multicultural city. This is good (at least I think so). But I'm not convinced that social diversity is best served by cultural isolation, which is what we have is in St Mary's more than any other district in the city.

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Potatocake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.[/p][/quote]You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want[/p][/quote]OK, so "diverse" means "not English". Have I got that right? I suppose the word must mean something though possibly it's like "gadzooks", just expostulation.
Is Shirley "multicultural"? And if so, what does it mean?[/p][/quote]Southampton truly is a multicultural city. This is good (at least I think so). But I'm not convinced that social diversity is best served by cultural isolation, which is what we have is in St Mary's more than any other district in the city.Potatocake

A lot of people on here with an opinion on St Marys that never venture down there and are only aware that’s it is multi cultural and that’s it and all of a sudden they feel it will be beneficial, quite clearly it will not be, the diverse culture in and around the area live in harmony it’s a great place if you’re a local and every one knows each other maybe not through name but every one says hi and gets along, I will add its one of the only places in Southampton that’s has a community spirit that’s stretches from English to the Asian community and the eastern Europeans as well as the Arabic community.

Where ever we all get a long….so stick your production documentary and I feel every one should turn there back on this and hopefully they will get the hint.

They should be focusing on our great Southampton football club rise from the ashes !!! COYRs !!!!

A lot of people on here with an opinion on St Marys that never venture down there and are only aware that’s it is multi cultural and that’s it and all of a sudden they feel it will be beneficial, quite clearly it will not be, the diverse culture in and around the area live in harmony it’s a great place if you’re a local and every one knows each other maybe not through name but every one says hi and gets along, I will add its one of the only places in Southampton that’s has a community spirit that’s stretches from English to the Asian community and the eastern Europeans as well as the Arabic community.
Where ever we all get a long….so stick your production documentary and I feel every one should turn there back on this and hopefully they will get the hint.
They should be focusing on our great Southampton football club rise from the ashes !!! COYRs !!!!RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE

skeptik wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R

oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.

Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.

[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R
oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.[/p][/quote]Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.Dai Rear

The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.

The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.sotonwinch09

Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!Taskforce 141

bigfella777 wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.

You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want

OK, so &quot;diverse" means "not English". Have I got that right? I suppose the word must mean something though possibly it's like "gadzooks", just expostulation.
Is Shirley "multicultural"? And if so, what does it mean?

Southampton truly is a multicultural city. This is good (at least I think so). But I'm not convinced that social diversity is best served by cultural isolation, which is what we have is in St Mary's more than any other district in the city.

Not wishing to be offensive but it's simply a tautology to say "Southampton is it" "It is Southampton". What do these 2 words mean, "multicultural" and "diverse"? Could the Ottoman Empire be described as "multicultural" and "diverse" Austria-Hungary? Was our Empire?

[quote][p][bold]Potatocake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Potatocake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.[/p][/quote]You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want[/p][/quote]OK, so "diverse" means "not English". Have I got that right? I suppose the word must mean something though possibly it's like "gadzooks", just expostulation.
Is Shirley "multicultural"? And if so, what does it mean?[/p][/quote]Southampton truly is a multicultural city. This is good (at least I think so). But I'm not convinced that social diversity is best served by cultural isolation, which is what we have is in St Mary's more than any other district in the city.[/p][/quote]Not wishing to be offensive but it's simply a tautology to say "Southampton is it" "It is Southampton". What do these 2 words mean, "multicultural" and "diverse"? Could the Ottoman Empire be described as "multicultural" and "diverse" Austria-Hungary? Was our Empire?Dai Rear

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Thanks for the partial enlightenment but I'm confused as to why you think my abhorrence of female genital mutilation, for example , means I am thrusting values on people and therefore not "evolved"

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Thanks for the partial enlightenment but I'm confused as to why you think my abhorrence of female genital mutilation, for example , means I am thrusting values on people and therefore not "evolved"Dai Rear

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE

I am proud to be a resident of Southampton and one of the main reasons is the way we all live together in harmony. I think we are unique in this and should promote the fact. However shows like the one proposed here love to be controversial, that,s how they get publicity and boost viewing figures. Regardless of what people say on camera they will edit it to put across whatever message they deem fit. One only has to see what they did on "Benefits Street". The title gives a wrong impression to start with and it goes on to add to the (false) perception that all on benefits are scroungers!
Derby Road has a lot going for it and is a great cultural mix and we must make sure that that is underlined and not marred by some sensationalist broadcasting.

I am proud to be a resident of Southampton and one of the main reasons is the way we all live together in harmony. I think we are unique in this and should promote the fact. However shows like the one proposed here love to be controversial, that,s how they get publicity and boost viewing figures. Regardless of what people say on camera they will edit it to put across whatever message they deem fit. One only has to see what they did on "Benefits Street". The title gives a wrong impression to start with and it goes on to add to the (false) perception that all on benefits are scroungers!
Derby Road has a lot going for it and is a great cultural mix and we must make sure that that is underlined and not marred by some sensationalist broadcasting.malcher

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE

I am proud to be a resident of Southampton and one of the main reasons is the way we all live together in harmony. I think we are unique in this and should promote the fact. However shows like the one proposed here love to be controversial, that,s how they get publicity and boost viewing figures. Regardless of what people say on camera they will edit it to put across whatever message they deem fit. One only has to see what they did on "Benefits Street". The title gives a wrong impression to start with and it goes on to add to the (false) perception that all on benefits are scroungers!
Derby Road has a lot going for it and is a great cultural mix and we must make sure that that is underlined and not marred by some sensationalist broadcasting

It has loads going for it if you want a free mattress or sofa there are loads free just take them from the front gardens, also at 11am if you want to to business with a lady they are there also as i was ask not long ago

malcher says...
I am proud to be a resident of Southampton and one of the main reasons is the way we all live together in harmony. I think we are unique in this and should promote the fact. However shows like the one proposed here love to be controversial, that,s how they get publicity and boost viewing figures. Regardless of what people say on camera they will edit it to put across whatever message they deem fit. One only has to see what they did on "Benefits Street". The title gives a wrong impression to start with and it goes on to add to the (false) perception that all on benefits are scroungers!
Derby Road has a lot going for it and is a great cultural mix and we must make sure that that is underlined and not marred by some sensationalist broadcasting
It has loads going for it if you want a free mattress or sofa there are loads free just take them from the front gardens, also at 11am if you want to to business with a lady they are there also as i was ask not long agoWoolston ollie

If the programme takes place, and does not show that area in a very good light, then perhaps it will have the effect of making the City Council take note, and do something about it.

The area has developed to its current state over a number of years, with nothing done to improve the situation.

I hope the programme is made and shown, and proves to be a 'wake-up call' to those who can do something to improve the area.

The TV company cannot show what is not there.
If the programme takes place, and does not show that area in a very good light, then perhaps it will have the effect of making the City Council take note, and do something about it.
The area has developed to its current state over a number of years, with nothing done to improve the situation.
I hope the programme is made and shown, and proves to be a 'wake-up call' to those who can do something to improve the area.Linesman

Bring it on...the council need a huge wake up call as the City has declined enormously over the last few decades.

Integration of cultures is one of the more positive aspects, not brilliant but not that bad , compared with massive youth and street crime problems which fester in the city,

If the programme highlights the litter and the complete lack of any visionary planning for Southampton , (planning which would easiliy make Southampton the best City in the South, with a brilliant new water front attracting tourists and cruise passengers to stay around the city and spend £££££.)...then it will be a worthwhile programme to produce.

No wonder the so called City Leaders don't want to see it--it will show them up, especially when the traffic grinds to a halt under Rayment's lack f planning.

Bring it on...the council need a huge wake up call as the City has declined enormously over the last few decades.
Integration of cultures is one of the more positive aspects, not brilliant but not that bad , compared with massive youth and street crime problems which fester in the city,
If the programme highlights the litter and the complete lack of any visionary planning for Southampton , (planning which would easiliy make Southampton the best City in the South, with a brilliant new water front attracting tourists and cruise passengers to stay around the city and spend £££££.)...then it will be a worthwhile programme to produce.
No wonder the so called City Leaders don't want to see it--it will show them up, especially when the traffic grinds to a halt under Rayment's lack f planning.redsnapper

bigfella777 wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.

You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want

OK, so &quot;diverse" means "not English". Have I got that right? I suppose the word must mean something though possibly it's like "gadzooks", just expostulation.
Is Shirley "multicultural"? And if so, what does it mean?

Southampton truly is a multicultural city. This is good (at least I think so). But I'm not convinced that social diversity is best served by cultural isolation, which is what we have is in St Mary's more than any other district in the city.

Not wishing to be offensive but it's simply a tautology to say "Southampton is it" "It is Southampton". What do these 2 words mean, "multicultural" and "diverse"? Could the Ottoman Empire be described as "multicultural" and "diverse" Austria-Hungary? Was our Empire?

It's just a Labour buzz word used to explain the huge explosion of uncapped immigration, was never in common use before. People use it to describe an area of a city/community/socie
ty that is made up of people from different countries without really thinking any further.

"Multi-cultural" gives an impression that it means a place made up of many different nationalities all getting along in harmony. Whilst this might happen in some areas, it doesn't generally happen in Southampton and that's why you find large areas of St Mary's and Shirley with segregated populations. There doesn't seem to be any attempts of integration with people chosing to live like this, not learning the English language and opening shops to cater for their own needs as a few examples.

I for one think the programme is a great idea. The way these communities segregate themselves happens all over the country so it would give them a chance to show people why they live like this and the strengths of their communities rather than hiding away and letting people make assumptions. The residents of "Benefit Street" may not have been happy with how they were portrayed but there was no acting or clever editing, they weren't happy with the reality. If this show was filmed in Southampton, it would give residents of St Mary's the chance to portray themselves in a positive light because at the end of the day, if they're all hardworking and get along with one another, they have nothing to hide and there is nothing untoward to be filmed.

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Potatocake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Potatocake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.[/p][/quote]You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want[/p][/quote]OK, so "diverse" means "not English". Have I got that right? I suppose the word must mean something though possibly it's like "gadzooks", just expostulation.
Is Shirley "multicultural"? And if so, what does it mean?[/p][/quote]Southampton truly is a multicultural city. This is good (at least I think so). But I'm not convinced that social diversity is best served by cultural isolation, which is what we have is in St Mary's more than any other district in the city.[/p][/quote]Not wishing to be offensive but it's simply a tautology to say "Southampton is it" "It is Southampton". What do these 2 words mean, "multicultural" and "diverse"? Could the Ottoman Empire be described as "multicultural" and "diverse" Austria-Hungary? Was our Empire?[/p][/quote]It's just a Labour buzz word used to explain the huge explosion of uncapped immigration, was never in common use before. People use it to describe an area of a city/community/socie
ty that is made up of people from different countries without really thinking any further.
"Multi-cultural" gives an impression that it means a place made up of many different nationalities all getting along in harmony. Whilst this might happen in some areas, it doesn't generally happen in Southampton and that's why you find large areas of St Mary's and Shirley with segregated populations. There doesn't seem to be any attempts of integration with people chosing to live like this, not learning the English language and opening shops to cater for their own needs as a few examples.
I for one think the programme is a great idea. The way these communities segregate themselves happens all over the country so it would give them a chance to show people why they live like this and the strengths of their communities rather than hiding away and letting people make assumptions. The residents of "Benefit Street" may not have been happy with how they were portrayed but there was no acting or clever editing, they weren't happy with the reality. If this show was filmed in Southampton, it would give residents of St Mary's the chance to portray themselves in a positive light because at the end of the day, if they're all hardworking and get along with one another, they have nothing to hide and there is nothing untoward to be filmed.sotonboy84

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.bigfella777

If the programme takes place, and does not show that area in a very good light, then perhaps it will have the effect of making the City Council take note, and do something about it.

The area has developed to its current state over a number of years, with nothing done to improve the situation.

I hope the programme is made and shown, and proves to be a 'wake-up call' to those who can do something to improve the area.

The council pay the area more attention than most. I spoke to a road sweeper and asked how often the road I lived in was cleaned as I swept a lot of rubbish by my property myself. I was told once a year but they sweep St Mary's every day.

[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote:
The TV company cannot show what is not there.
If the programme takes place, and does not show that area in a very good light, then perhaps it will have the effect of making the City Council take note, and do something about it.
The area has developed to its current state over a number of years, with nothing done to improve the situation.
I hope the programme is made and shown, and proves to be a 'wake-up call' to those who can do something to improve the area.[/p][/quote]The council pay the area more attention than most. I spoke to a road sweeper and asked how often the road I lived in was cleaned as I swept a lot of rubbish by my property myself. I was told once a year but they sweep St Mary's every day.sotonboy84

"Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.

He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.

“They should show a positive aspect of the community.

“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”

A sensible voice as opposed to the various "leaders" who are jumping on a bandwagon without knowing a thing about the production of the program!

Everyone who is interviewed and filmed is brought in to view the result. Those interviewed have the choice to accept or change whatever was filmed. In other words, those interviewed have the last say on what is included in the program.

Many myths surround "Benefits Street" - all the residents had editorial rights over what was in the programs!!

I'm with Khalid Farooq on this one...........

"Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.
He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.
“They should show a positive aspect of the community.
“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”
A sensible voice as opposed to the various "leaders" who are jumping on a bandwagon without knowing a thing about the production of the program!
Everyone who is interviewed and filmed is brought in to view the result. Those interviewed have the choice to accept or change whatever was filmed. In other words, those interviewed have the last say on what is included in the program.
Many myths surround "Benefits Street" - all the residents had editorial rights over what was in the programs!!
I'm with Khalid Farooq on this one...........George4th

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

That's quite an ideal really. It sounds nice that you can do all that but the bigger issue is that if all these communities segregate themselves like this with little attempts at integrating - how will we evolve as a socirty and country?

Different cultures and beliefs should be understood, accepted and customs embraced and form part of the overall British culture, this is how we evolve. Bending over backwards to recreate entire miniature sub-countries that exclude them from the rest of Britain is not how we evolve.

The result is a lack of understanding and tension as these communities shut themselves away.

[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]That's quite an ideal really. It sounds nice that you can do all that but the bigger issue is that if all these communities segregate themselves like this with little attempts at integrating - how will we evolve as a socirty and country?
Different cultures and beliefs should be understood, accepted and customs embraced and form part of the overall British culture, this is how we evolve. Bending over backwards to recreate entire miniature sub-countries that exclude them from the rest of Britain is not how we evolve.
The result is a lack of understanding and tension as these communities shut themselves away.sotonboy84

George4th wrote:
&quot;Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.

He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.

“They should show a positive aspect of the community.

“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”

A sensible voice as opposed to the various "leaders" who are jumping on a bandwagon without knowing a thing about the production of the program!

Everyone who is interviewed and filmed is brought in to view the result. Those interviewed have the choice to accept or change whatever was filmed. In other words, those interviewed have the last say on what is included in the program.

Many myths surround "Benefits Street" - all the residents had editorial rights over what was in the programs!!

I'm with Khalid Farooq on this one...........

The counil are only concerned for themselves, and just as somebody said earlier, for the show to highlight the condition of the area will relflect badly on them.

[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote:
"Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.
He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.
“They should show a positive aspect of the community.
“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”
A sensible voice as opposed to the various "leaders" who are jumping on a bandwagon without knowing a thing about the production of the program!
Everyone who is interviewed and filmed is brought in to view the result. Those interviewed have the choice to accept or change whatever was filmed. In other words, those interviewed have the last say on what is included in the program.
Many myths surround "Benefits Street" - all the residents had editorial rights over what was in the programs!!
I'm with Khalid Farooq on this one...........[/p][/quote]The counil are only concerned for themselves, and just as somebody said earlier, for the show to highlight the condition of the area will relflect badly on them.sotonboy84

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

That's quite an ideal really. It sounds nice that you can do all that but the bigger issue is that if all these communities segregate themselves like this with little attempts at integrating - how will we evolve as a socirty and country?

Different cultures and beliefs should be understood, accepted and customs embraced and form part of the overall British culture, this is how we evolve. Bending over backwards to recreate entire miniature sub-countries that exclude them from the rest of Britain is not how we evolve.

The result is a lack of understanding and tension as these communities shut themselves away.

Have you ever tried just going up to people and having a chat, it can be that easy. What usually shocks most people is that unbelievably yes people do speak English.

[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]That's quite an ideal really. It sounds nice that you can do all that but the bigger issue is that if all these communities segregate themselves like this with little attempts at integrating - how will we evolve as a socirty and country?
Different cultures and beliefs should be understood, accepted and customs embraced and form part of the overall British culture, this is how we evolve. Bending over backwards to recreate entire miniature sub-countries that exclude them from the rest of Britain is not how we evolve.
The result is a lack of understanding and tension as these communities shut themselves away.[/p][/quote]Have you ever tried just going up to people and having a chat, it can be that easy. What usually shocks most people is that unbelievably yes people do speak English.bigfella777

If the 'senior figures' of Southampton believe Southampton is so wonderful, let Love Productions film warts and all. Perhaps we will find out something we didn't know about before. E.g. the proliferation of conniving / contriving landlords who own the majority of the privately rented accommodation in this area, plus all the big hearted people working hard in the community, creating such good social cohesion, that goes unappreciated by so many.
Wherever you go on this earth there are hard working people , and there are the spongers, just a fact of life from Azerbaijan to Zanzibar.

If the 'senior figures' of Southampton believe Southampton is so wonderful, let Love Productions film warts and all. Perhaps we will find out something we didn't know about before. E.g. the proliferation of conniving / contriving landlords who own the majority of the privately rented accommodation in this area, plus all the big hearted people working hard in the community, creating such good social cohesion, that goes unappreciated by so many.
Wherever you go on this earth there are hard working people , and there are the spongers, just a fact of life from Azerbaijan to Zanzibar.Abkhazsoyuz

skeptik wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R

oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.

Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.

the english came from northern holland and denmark ,the britons predate them as the beakers before them.

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R
oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.[/p][/quote]Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.[/p][/quote]the english came from northern holland and denmark ,the britons predate them as the beakers before them.Bobs Your Uncle ?

This debate seems to make the assumption that Love Productions are an objective, principled documentary maker who will show life as it is. They are not. They are an entertainment business. They exploit people, some of them very vulnerable and gullible. They create 'scenarios' and situations which would never have existed and pass them off as 'real'. They are only interested in one thing - making as sensational a programme as possible so they can make as much money as possible. They don't give a monkey's who they hurt and exploit in the process of doing this. In short, they are very bad people who are not needed in this city.

This debate seems to make the assumption that Love Productions are an objective, principled documentary maker who will show life as it is. They are not. They are an entertainment business. They exploit people, some of them very vulnerable and gullible. They create 'scenarios' and situations which would never have existed and pass them off as 'real'. They are only interested in one thing - making as sensational a programme as possible so they can make as much money as possible. They don't give a monkey's who they hurt and exploit in the process of doing this. In short, they are very bad people who are not needed in this city.WalkingOnAWire

skeptik wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R

oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.

Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.

the english came from northern holland and denmark ,the britons predate them as the beakers before them.

Thank you for the history lesson. But since all dogs are descended from wolves then all dogs are wolves, which is the left wing point that I think you're making is silly, can we agree that you know very well what English is? I'm sure the answer will be "no" but I'm bored with this game already.

[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R
oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.[/p][/quote]Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.[/p][/quote]the english came from northern holland and denmark ,the britons predate them as the beakers before them.[/p][/quote]Thank you for the history lesson. But since all dogs are descended from wolves then all dogs are wolves, which is the left wing point that I think you're making is silly, can we agree that you know very well what English is? I'm sure the answer will be "no" but I'm bored with this game already.Dai Rear

skeptik wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R

oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.

Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.

Will that also include those who came here after 1939 to save this nation from Hitler? And what about their offspring born after your cut off line of 14th August 1945?

Considering the Qeen's uncle in law Lord Mountbatten (where did his family was from, it certainly was not originally from Romsey, as the estate may have been of his I laws) his wife (Indian Prime Minister Nehru's spare bit) and their offspring were in New Delhi India not in the UK on that date, are you going to exclude them?

And what about many British soldiers and sailors who were away clearing the mess left by the war and 'not in England' on your fixed date of 14 August 1945?

Before you ask, I certainly was not in England before your defined dead line of 14 August 1945 but then I do not want to describe myself as anything other than simply 'HUMAN'

Yes in Derby Road most of the residents are also proud to be the members of the one and only one human race. If not all vast majority of them live in harmony, which misleadingly named 'Love Productions' is likely to disrupt and mint money while sensationalising any little cracks they may find, which is likely to provide amo to narrow minded people like you, for whom boundary of human civilisation may only be the Southampton side of Chilworth round about.

Yes I have often criticised Southampton Council's NuLabourite Leadership but fully support their opposition and Dr.Alan Whitehead MP's concerns about Love Production's involvement in the affairs of Southampton.

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R
oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.[/p][/quote]Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.[/p][/quote]Will that also include those who came here after 1939 to save this nation from Hitler? And what about their offspring born after your cut off line of 14th August 1945?
Considering the Qeen's uncle in law Lord Mountbatten (where did his family was from, it certainly was not originally from Romsey, as the estate may have been of his I laws) his wife (Indian Prime Minister Nehru's spare bit) and their offspring were in New Delhi India not in the UK on that date, are you going to exclude them?
And what about many British soldiers and sailors who were away clearing the mess left by the war and 'not in England' on your fixed date of 14 August 1945?
Before you ask, I certainly was not in England before your defined dead line of 14 August 1945 but then I do not want to describe myself as anything other than simply 'HUMAN'
Yes in Derby Road most of the residents are also proud to be the members of the one and only one human race. If not all vast majority of them live in harmony, which misleadingly named 'Love Productions' is likely to disrupt and mint money while sensationalising any little cracks they may find, which is likely to provide amo to narrow minded people like you, for whom boundary of human civilisation may only be the Southampton side of Chilworth round about.
Yes I have often criticised Southampton Council's NuLabourite Leadership but fully support their opposition and Dr.Alan Whitehead MP's concerns about Love Production's involvement in the affairs of Southampton.Paramjit Bahia

skeptik wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R

oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.

Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.

Will that also include those who came here after 1939 to save this nation from Hitler? And what about their offspring born after your cut off line of 14th August 1945?

Considering the Qeen's uncle in law Lord Mountbatten (where did his family was from, it certainly was not originally from Romsey, as the estate may have been of his I laws) his wife (Indian Prime Minister Nehru's spare bit) and their offspring were in New Delhi India not in the UK on that date, are you going to exclude them?

And what about many British soldiers and sailors who were away clearing the mess left by the war and 'not in England' on your fixed date of 14 August 1945?

Before you ask, I certainly was not in England before your defined dead line of 14 August 1945 but then I do not want to describe myself as anything other than simply 'HUMAN'

Yes in Derby Road most of the residents are also proud to be the members of the one and only one human race. If not all vast majority of them live in harmony, which misleadingly named 'Love Productions' is likely to disrupt and mint money while sensationalising any little cracks they may find, which is likely to provide amo to narrow minded people like you, for whom boundary of human civilisation may only be the Southampton side of Chilworth round about.

Yes I have often criticised Southampton Council's NuLabourite Leadership but fully support their opposition and Dr.Alan Whitehead MP's concerns about Love Production's involvement in the affairs of Southampton.

Yes it does. Read it again.

[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R
oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.[/p][/quote]Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.[/p][/quote]Will that also include those who came here after 1939 to save this nation from Hitler? And what about their offspring born after your cut off line of 14th August 1945?
Considering the Qeen's uncle in law Lord Mountbatten (where did his family was from, it certainly was not originally from Romsey, as the estate may have been of his I laws) his wife (Indian Prime Minister Nehru's spare bit) and their offspring were in New Delhi India not in the UK on that date, are you going to exclude them?
And what about many British soldiers and sailors who were away clearing the mess left by the war and 'not in England' on your fixed date of 14 August 1945?
Before you ask, I certainly was not in England before your defined dead line of 14 August 1945 but then I do not want to describe myself as anything other than simply 'HUMAN'
Yes in Derby Road most of the residents are also proud to be the members of the one and only one human race. If not all vast majority of them live in harmony, which misleadingly named 'Love Productions' is likely to disrupt and mint money while sensationalising any little cracks they may find, which is likely to provide amo to narrow minded people like you, for whom boundary of human civilisation may only be the Southampton side of Chilworth round about.
Yes I have often criticised Southampton Council's NuLabourite Leadership but fully support their opposition and Dr.Alan Whitehead MP's concerns about Love Production's involvement in the affairs of Southampton.[/p][/quote]Yes it does. Read it again.Dai Rear

Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.

Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.skeptik

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!

Erm, WRONG!

Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.

You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in "a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.

[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !![/p][/quote]Erm, WRONG!
Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.
You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in "a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.Taskforce 141

skeptik wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.

Read an account of the battle of La Poche de Royan. Might surprise you. Who are the guys with turbans in German uniforms?

[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.[/p][/quote]Read an account of the battle of La Poche de Royan. Might surprise you. Who are the guys with turbans in German uniforms?Dai Rear

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?Taskforce 141

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Thanks for the partial enlightenment but I'm confused as to why you think my abhorrence of female genital mutilation, for example , means I am thrusting values on people and therefore not &quot;evolved"

Firstly let me say that I agree that genital mutilation is one of the worst things humans can do to one another and I do not condone it, but that's not to say your neighbour agrees with us. If everyone thought the same as you and I on this matter then it wouldn't still be occurring, therefore opinions are being thrust, even though we believe strongly in those opinions...

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Thanks for the partial enlightenment but I'm confused as to why you think my abhorrence of female genital mutilation, for example , means I am thrusting values on people and therefore not "evolved"[/p][/quote]Firstly let me say that I agree that genital mutilation is one of the worst things humans can do to one another and I do not condone it, but that's not to say your neighbour agrees with us. If everyone thought the same as you and I on this matter then it wouldn't still be occurring, therefore opinions are being thrust, even though we believe strongly in those opinions...Taskforce 141

George4th wrote:
&quot;Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.

He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.

“They should show a positive aspect of the community.

“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”

A sensible voice as opposed to the various "leaders" who are jumping on a bandwagon without knowing a thing about the production of the program!

Everyone who is interviewed and filmed is brought in to view the result. Those interviewed have the choice to accept or change whatever was filmed. In other words, those interviewed have the last say on what is included in the program.

Many myths surround "Benefits Street" - all the residents had editorial rights over what was in the programs!!

I'm with Khalid Farooq on this one...........

Khalid Farooq is very naive if he believes Derby Road would be shown in a good light.

It is obvious from the way "Benefits Street" was presented that the TV company wants to be able to arouse strong reactions in their viewers.
A clever film-maker can produce two diametrically opposed emotions in the viewer from the same material. Which kind of emotions would you expect Love Productions to be arousing about Derby Road having seen their treatment of James Turner Street?

[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote:
"Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.
He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.
“They should show a positive aspect of the community.
“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”
A sensible voice as opposed to the various "leaders" who are jumping on a bandwagon without knowing a thing about the production of the program!
Everyone who is interviewed and filmed is brought in to view the result. Those interviewed have the choice to accept or change whatever was filmed. In other words, those interviewed have the last say on what is included in the program.
Many myths surround "Benefits Street" - all the residents had editorial rights over what was in the programs!!
I'm with Khalid Farooq on this one...........[/p][/quote]Khalid Farooq is very naive if he believes Derby Road would be shown in a good light.
It is obvious from the way "Benefits Street" was presented that the TV company wants to be able to arouse strong reactions in their viewers.
A clever film-maker can produce two diametrically opposed emotions in the viewer from the same material. Which kind of emotions would you expect Love Productions to be arousing about Derby Road having seen their treatment of James Turner Street?cliffwalker

If the programme takes place, and does not show that area in a very good light, then perhaps it will have the effect of making the City Council take note, and do something about it.

The area has developed to its current state over a number of years, with nothing done to improve the situation.

I hope the programme is made and shown, and proves to be a 'wake-up call' to those who can do something to improve the area.

Come on, you are an intelligent and well informed person, so should know that these people are not motivated in showing the real facts but only selected and heavily edited versions of clips to dramatise and sensationalise for attracting audience and making profits.

I agree with you regarding policies of Council (under all political parties) which contributed towards creating a bad reputation for that area. For many years I lived in Clovelly Road, so have some knowledge. Only reason I moved out was parking problems and garden was too small for the dog. But neighbours were unbelievably friendly.

Although few problems remain, overall the area has very much improved once again.

More important is the fact that most people are very tolerant they believe in 'live and let live'.

From what I hear from friends in Birmingham the Love Productions has contributed towards creating hate in certain sections of their city, on that basis alone I think Alan Whitehead MP and NuLabourites Councillors have rightly expressed some concerns. So should be supported.

Problems of the people cannot be resolved through dramatic stuff on so called reality tv, but people pressurising their councillors into working for the people instead of going on their own ego trips and getting away with divide & rule policies.

[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote:
The TV company cannot show what is not there.
If the programme takes place, and does not show that area in a very good light, then perhaps it will have the effect of making the City Council take note, and do something about it.
The area has developed to its current state over a number of years, with nothing done to improve the situation.
I hope the programme is made and shown, and proves to be a 'wake-up call' to those who can do something to improve the area.[/p][/quote]Come on, you are an intelligent and well informed person, so should know that these people are not motivated in showing the real facts but only selected and heavily edited versions of clips to dramatise and sensationalise for attracting audience and making profits.
I agree with you regarding policies of Council (under all political parties) which contributed towards creating a bad reputation for that area. For many years I lived in Clovelly Road, so have some knowledge. Only reason I moved out was parking problems and garden was too small for the dog. But neighbours were unbelievably friendly.
Although few problems remain, overall the area has very much improved once again.
More important is the fact that most people are very tolerant they believe in 'live and let live'.
From what I hear from friends in Birmingham the Love Productions has contributed towards creating hate in certain sections of their city, on that basis alone I think Alan Whitehead MP and NuLabourites Councillors have rightly expressed some concerns. So should be supported.
Problems of the people cannot be resolved through dramatic stuff on so called reality tv, but people pressurising their councillors into working for the people instead of going on their own ego trips and getting away with divide & rule policies.Paramjit Bahia

Mr E wrote:
As a White Middle aged Male, Derby Rd is one of the few areas in Southampton where i would not feel comfortable walking down the street on my own during daytime.

Is that what multicultural means ?

Get someone to hold your hand then you big ****.

[quote][p][bold]Mr E[/bold] wrote:
As a White Middle aged Male, Derby Rd is one of the few areas in Southampton where i would not feel comfortable walking down the street on my own during daytime.
Is that what multicultural means ?[/p][/quote]Get someone to hold your hand then you big ****.redsnapper

skeptik wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.

I agree but this was the Indian army and the segregated communities and mass immigration from many countries is not a direct result of this. Please don't misundertsand me, the Indian army have the same level respect as anybody fighting for their coutry deserves but their commitment doesn't explain the situation we face today.

[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.[/p][/quote]I agree but this was the Indian army and the segregated communities and mass immigration from many countries is not a direct result of this. Please don't misundertsand me, the Indian army have the same level respect as anybody fighting for their coutry deserves but their commitment doesn't explain the situation we face today.sotonboy84

skeptik wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R

oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.

Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.

the english came from northern holland and denmark ,the britons predate them as the beakers before them.

Unless you can directly trace your family history back to Bondica and Prasutagus and their Iceni tribe, then you are an immigrant.

[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
If we look to our history we are a mix of Germanic,Dane,Gaul,R
oman and many more. Not really sure what English is.[/p][/quote]Pretty much those who were here on August 14 1945 and their descendants. Hope that helps you.[/p][/quote]the english came from northern holland and denmark ,the britons predate them as the beakers before them.[/p][/quote]Unless you can directly trace your family history back to Bondica and Prasutagus and their Iceni tribe, then you are an immigrant.Abkhazsoyuz

The TV company should do a warts and all exposure of a typical city council (SCC is a great example)..They will filmlarge numbers of people doing very little except waiting around for their pensions which we all pay for (25% of everyones council tax goes into these jobsworths pension pots).

There again the programme would be so boring watching people sitting around drinking tea and doing sweet FA.

The TV company should do a warts and all exposure of a typical city council (SCC is a great example)..They will filmlarge numbers of people doing very little except waiting around for their pensions which we all pay for (25% of everyones council tax goes into these jobsworths pension pots).
There again the programme would be so boring watching people sitting around drinking tea and doing sweet FA.redsnapper

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Thanks for the partial enlightenment but I'm confused as to why you think my abhorrence of female genital mutilation, for example , means I am thrusting values on people and therefore not &quot;evolved"

Firstly let me say that I agree that genital mutilation is one of the worst things humans can do to one another and I do not condone it, but that's not to say your neighbour agrees with us. If everyone thought the same as you and I on this matter then it wouldn't still be occurring, therefore opinions are being thrust, even though we believe strongly in those opinions...

Actually abhorrence of FGM is not an "opinion": it is a moral imperative. But if "diverse" and "multicultural" mean tolerance of barbarism, then frankly stuff both concepts.

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Thanks for the partial enlightenment but I'm confused as to why you think my abhorrence of female genital mutilation, for example , means I am thrusting values on people and therefore not "evolved"[/p][/quote]Firstly let me say that I agree that genital mutilation is one of the worst things humans can do to one another and I do not condone it, but that's not to say your neighbour agrees with us. If everyone thought the same as you and I on this matter then it wouldn't still be occurring, therefore opinions are being thrust, even though we believe strongly in those opinions...[/p][/quote]Actually abhorrence of FGM is not an "opinion": it is a moral imperative. But if "diverse" and "multicultural" mean tolerance of barbarism, then frankly stuff both concepts.Dai Rear

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!

Erm, WRONG!

Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.

You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in &quot;a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.

If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.

Your Quote

"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"

If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!!

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !![/p][/quote]Erm, WRONG!
Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.
You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in "a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.[/p][/quote]If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.
Your Quote
"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"
If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!!RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE

George4th wrote:
&quot;Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.

He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.

“They should show a positive aspect of the community.

“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”

A sensible voice as opposed to the various "leaders" who are jumping on a bandwagon without knowing a thing about the production of the program!

Everyone who is interviewed and filmed is brought in to view the result. Those interviewed have the choice to accept or change whatever was filmed. In other words, those interviewed have the last say on what is included in the program.

Many myths surround "Benefits Street" - all the residents had editorial rights over what was in the programs!!

I'm with Khalid Farooq on this one...........

If I were you I will do bit of research before getting in bed with Farooq.

While back NuLabour had a member with similar sounding name, who was selected as their candidate for Council election in Bitterene Park, only to find that somehow the guy was connected with some kind of fraud (probably of benefit variety)

I may not share your political biased views but as a socialist I don't want to watch even opponents getting deep into the brown stuff. So I have flagged this for you and leave you to check it out.

[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote:
"Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.
He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.
“They should show a positive aspect of the community.
“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”
A sensible voice as opposed to the various "leaders" who are jumping on a bandwagon without knowing a thing about the production of the program!
Everyone who is interviewed and filmed is brought in to view the result. Those interviewed have the choice to accept or change whatever was filmed. In other words, those interviewed have the last say on what is included in the program.
Many myths surround "Benefits Street" - all the residents had editorial rights over what was in the programs!!
I'm with Khalid Farooq on this one...........[/p][/quote]If I were you I will do bit of research before getting in bed with Farooq.
While back NuLabour had a member with similar sounding name, who was selected as their candidate for Council election in Bitterene Park, only to find that somehow the guy was connected with some kind of fraud (probably of benefit variety)
I may not share your political biased views but as a socialist I don't want to watch even opponents getting deep into the brown stuff. So I have flagged this for you and leave you to check it out.Paramjit Bahia

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying &quot;No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

Task Force your full of Cr@p

this writer is right, I get my hair cut by Kurds, I buy my milks and bread from a Indian family and I but my booze from an Ethiopian owned shop...and my lottery from an Irish owned news agent ??? What’s BS about that your full of rubbish you don’t know the area and your not form St Marys JOG ON !!!!!

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?[/p][/quote]Task Force your full of Cr@p
this writer is right, I get my hair cut by Kurds, I buy my milks and bread from a Indian family and I but my booze from an Ethiopian owned shop...and my lottery from an Irish owned news agent ??? What’s BS about that your full of rubbish you don’t know the area and your not form St Marys JOG ON !!!!!RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE

skeptik wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.

Read an account of the battle of La Poche de Royan. Might surprise you. Who are the guys with turbans in German uniforms?

While at it why don't you tell us who was the guy in picture with Hitler before and after signing Munich agreement

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.[/p][/quote]Read an account of the battle of La Poche de Royan. Might surprise you. Who are the guys with turbans in German uniforms?[/p][/quote]While at it why don't you tell us who was the guy in picture with Hitler before and after signing Munich agreementParamjit Bahia

George4th wrote:
&quot;Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.

He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.

“They should show a positive aspect of the community.

“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”

A sensible voice as opposed to the various "leaders" who are jumping on a bandwagon without knowing a thing about the production of the program!

Everyone who is interviewed and filmed is brought in to view the result. Those interviewed have the choice to accept or change whatever was filmed. In other words, those interviewed have the last say on what is included in the program.

Many myths surround "Benefits Street" - all the residents had editorial rights over what was in the programs!!

I'm with Khalid Farooq on this one...........

If I were you I will do bit of research before getting in bed with Farooq.

While back NuLabour had a member with similar sounding name, who was selected as their candidate for Council election in Bitterene Park, only to find that somehow the guy was connected with some kind of fraud (probably of benefit variety)

I may not share your political biased views but as a socialist I don't want to watch even opponents getting deep into the brown stuff. So I have flagged this for you and leave you to check it out.

Thank you but you will appreciate that I was only quoting his comment on this particular subject, as I agreed with it.

I'm all for letting them make the program.

I don't really want to know his history, or yours for that matter! :-)

A lot of comments are written as if people are ashamed of Southampton. What are we/they hiding from?! (And I don't think it's shyness!)

Let them make the program. The participants will have full control over what they will allow to be shown. Take it as it comes.

[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote:
"Khalid Farooq, of the Derby Road-based Pakistan Welfare Association, said it was an opportunity to show how multicultural Derby Road is.
He said: “I think it’s good. It shows the multicultural environment of people living in Derby Road.
“They should show a positive aspect of the community.
“I think there needs to be more support to show how hard-working people are here.”
A sensible voice as opposed to the various "leaders" who are jumping on a bandwagon without knowing a thing about the production of the program!
Everyone who is interviewed and filmed is brought in to view the result. Those interviewed have the choice to accept or change whatever was filmed. In other words, those interviewed have the last say on what is included in the program.
Many myths surround "Benefits Street" - all the residents had editorial rights over what was in the programs!!
I'm with Khalid Farooq on this one...........[/p][/quote]If I were you I will do bit of research before getting in bed with Farooq.
While back NuLabour had a member with similar sounding name, who was selected as their candidate for Council election in Bitterene Park, only to find that somehow the guy was connected with some kind of fraud (probably of benefit variety)
I may not share your political biased views but as a socialist I don't want to watch even opponents getting deep into the brown stuff. So I have flagged this for you and leave you to check it out.[/p][/quote]Thank you but you will appreciate that I was only quoting his comment on this particular subject, as I agreed with it.
I'm all for letting them make the program.
I don't really want to know his history, or yours for that matter! :-)
A lot of comments are written as if people are ashamed of Southampton. What are we/they hiding from?! (And I don't think it's shyness!)
Let them make the program. The participants will have full control over what they will allow to be shown. Take it as it comes.George4th

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying &quot;No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?[/p][/quote]Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.bigfella777

Whitehead and Denham's concerns are because they know what a programme like this would expose.

They were the ones calling on the government to relax immigration laws as they say they're "tearing families apart" and discriminating against entire communities. Currently, citizens from outside the EU must earn £18,600 a year before bringing their spouse or partners to the UK which Whitehead and Denham said was far too high. On top of this they must have extra income of £3,800 for the first child and £2,400 for each additional child thereafter with the idea being they're not a burden on the taxpayer.

The DE reported a story last year about a man in Southampton who did not earn this amount but still went ahead and married his wife in an unsafe country, she became pregnant and after this he was pleading with Whitehead and Denham to get them into the country. He did not earn the required thresholds and he worked and lived in Derby Road.

This isn't my idea of tearing families apart, rules are rules and the British taxpayer should not have to pay the bill. In this example, the man married his wife and his wife became pregnant but was aware of these rules all along. People should take responsibility for their own actions.

Whitehead and Denham's concerns are because they know what a programme like this would expose.
They were the ones calling on the government to relax immigration laws as they say they're "tearing families apart" and discriminating against entire communities. Currently, citizens from outside the EU must earn £18,600 a year before bringing their spouse or partners to the UK which Whitehead and Denham said was far too high. On top of this they must have extra income of £3,800 for the first child and £2,400 for each additional child thereafter with the idea being they're not a burden on the taxpayer.
The DE reported a story last year about a man in Southampton who did not earn this amount but still went ahead and married his wife in an unsafe country, she became pregnant and after this he was pleading with Whitehead and Denham to get them into the country. He did not earn the required thresholds and he worked and lived in Derby Road.
This isn't my idea of tearing families apart, rules are rules and the British taxpayer should not have to pay the bill. In this example, the man married his wife and his wife became pregnant but was aware of these rules all along. People should take responsibility for their own actions.
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10505930
.MPs_call_for_change
_to_new_immigration_
rules/sotonboy84

skeptik wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.

I agree but this was the Indian army and the segregated communities and mass immigration from many countries is not a direct result of this. Please don't misundertsand me, the Indian army have the same level respect as anybody fighting for their coutry deserves but their commitment doesn't explain the situation we face today.

Not too difficult to understand that the end result of the same war was the massive problem of rebuilding of this country and shortage of labour available, so British govt ended up making desperate requests to Commonwealth countries to supply workers, which came either out of same soldiers who helped in saving Britain or their relatives and fellow country men and women.

[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.[/p][/quote]I agree but this was the Indian army and the segregated communities and mass immigration from many countries is not a direct result of this. Please don't misundertsand me, the Indian army have the same level respect as anybody fighting for their coutry deserves but their commitment doesn't explain the situation we face today.[/p][/quote]Not too difficult to understand that the end result of the same war was the massive problem of rebuilding of this country and shortage of labour available, so British govt ended up making desperate requests to Commonwealth countries to supply workers, which came either out of same soldiers who helped in saving Britain or their relatives and fellow country men and women.Paramjit Bahia

skeptik wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.

Read an account of the battle of La Poche de Royan. Might surprise you. Who are the guys with turbans in German uniforms?

While at it why don't you tell us who was the guy in picture with Hitler before and after signing Munich agreement

Must have missed the bit where N Chamberlain was firing a machine gun at Free French zouaves. Having said which I was very happy that J Lumley's campaign for the Ghurkhas was successful. I'm just warning against Stalinist Revisionism of history. The Japanese persuaded many Indian Nationalists to fight against the Allies. I fear that none of their descendants would now acknowledge that fact.

[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.[/p][/quote]Read an account of the battle of La Poche de Royan. Might surprise you. Who are the guys with turbans in German uniforms?[/p][/quote]While at it why don't you tell us who was the guy in picture with Hitler before and after signing Munich agreement[/p][/quote]Must have missed the bit where N Chamberlain was firing a machine gun at Free French zouaves. Having said which I was very happy that J Lumley's campaign for the Ghurkhas was successful. I'm just warning against Stalinist Revisionism of history. The Japanese persuaded many Indian Nationalists to fight against the Allies. I fear that none of their descendants would now acknowledge that fact.Dai Rear

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!

Erm, WRONG!

Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.

You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in &quot;a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.

If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.

Your Quote

"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"

If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!!

bahahahahaha, if you didn't sound like a inbreed parasitic troll on your first post, you have now achieved that status!

Congratulations to you.

The question was rhetorical! hahahaha, a genius you are not, but you are still entitled to your opinion. I am curious as to your qualifications in social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, unfortunately living somewhere for twenty years only qualifies you as a RESIDENT. please correct me ,if you have published a paper explaining the Harmonious Nature of Multicultural Societies as I would be thrilled to read it!

[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !![/p][/quote]Erm, WRONG!
Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.
You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in "a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.[/p][/quote]If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.
Your Quote
"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"
If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!![/p][/quote]bahahahahaha, if you didn't sound like a inbreed parasitic troll on your first post, you have now achieved that status!
Congratulations to you.
The question was rhetorical! hahahaha, a genius you are not, but you are still entitled to your opinion. I am curious as to your qualifications in social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, unfortunately living somewhere for twenty years only qualifies you as a RESIDENT. please correct me ,if you have published a paper explaining the Harmonious Nature of Multicultural Societies as I would be thrilled to read it!Taskforce 141

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying &quot;No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.

Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...

and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...

[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?[/p][/quote]Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.[/p][/quote]Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...
and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...Taskforce 141

Tell you what.... meet me and i'll introduce tio all the wonderful people that live here...I'll make you eat your words MUPPET

Wonderful... threats...

Amazing, how tough people can be on a keyboard.

You have just highlighted that you sir cannot/do not function in a multicultural society as my opinion/belief has caused you to fall into some pit of rage, resulting in threats. where exactly is all this acceptance stuff you have just been preaching about?

you sir/madam are a hypocrite.

[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
@ Task force
Tell you what.... meet me and i'll introduce tio all the wonderful people that live here...I'll make you eat your words MUPPET[/p][/quote]Wonderful... threats...
Amazing, how tough people can be on a keyboard.
You have just highlighted that you sir cannot/do not function in a multicultural society as my opinion/belief has caused you to fall into some pit of rage, resulting in threats. where exactly is all this acceptance stuff you have just been preaching about?
you sir/madam are a hypocrite.Taskforce 141

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Thanks for the partial enlightenment but I'm confused as to why you think my abhorrence of female genital mutilation, for example , means I am thrusting values on people and therefore not &quot;evolved"

Firstly let me say that I agree that genital mutilation is one of the worst things humans can do to one another and I do not condone it, but that's not to say your neighbour agrees with us. If everyone thought the same as you and I on this matter then it wouldn't still be occurring, therefore opinions are being thrust, even though we believe strongly in those opinions...

Actually abhorrence of FGM is not an "opinion": it is a moral imperative. But if "diverse" and "multicultural" mean tolerance of barbarism, then frankly stuff both concepts.

I do not wish to cause upset especially over FGM becomes it is barbaric and in humane, I was responding to a point you made with an example how over one issue opinions/beliefs and morals are split. Just look at abortion...

In my multicultural Utopia - FGM wouldnt exist as all people would have the intelligence and moral fortitude to recognise how wrong it is - but we are no where near my utopia :-(

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Thanks for the partial enlightenment but I'm confused as to why you think my abhorrence of female genital mutilation, for example , means I am thrusting values on people and therefore not "evolved"[/p][/quote]Firstly let me say that I agree that genital mutilation is one of the worst things humans can do to one another and I do not condone it, but that's not to say your neighbour agrees with us. If everyone thought the same as you and I on this matter then it wouldn't still be occurring, therefore opinions are being thrust, even though we believe strongly in those opinions...[/p][/quote]Actually abhorrence of FGM is not an "opinion": it is a moral imperative. But if "diverse" and "multicultural" mean tolerance of barbarism, then frankly stuff both concepts.[/p][/quote]I do not wish to cause upset especially over FGM becomes it is barbaric and in humane, I was responding to a point you made with an example how over one issue opinions/beliefs and morals are split. Just look at abortion...
In my multicultural Utopia - FGM wouldnt exist as all people would have the intelligence and moral fortitude to recognise how wrong it is - but we are no where near my utopia :-(Taskforce 141

Charlie Bucket wrote:
The fact that the mere proposal of this show has brought a ton of racist idiots out of the woodwork hints at what reaction the actual broadcast would provoke.

Most people are profoundly unimpressed with the open door immigration policy of what passed for a government 1997-2010, so I guess most of us are your favourite lefty boo-word "rac-ist"

[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote:
The fact that the mere proposal of this show has brought a ton of racist idiots out of the woodwork hints at what reaction the actual broadcast would provoke.[/p][/quote]Most people are profoundly unimpressed with the open door immigration policy of what passed for a government 1997-2010, so I guess most of us are your favourite lefty boo-word "rac-ist"Dai Rear

skeptik wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.

I agree but this was the Indian army and the segregated communities and mass immigration from many countries is not a direct result of this. Please don't misundertsand me, the Indian army have the same level respect as anybody fighting for their coutry deserves but their commitment doesn't explain the situation we face today.

Not too difficult to understand that the end result of the same war was the massive problem of rebuilding of this country and shortage of labour available, so British govt ended up making desperate requests to Commonwealth countries to supply workers, which came either out of same soldiers who helped in saving Britain or their relatives and fellow country men and women.

I didn't say it was difficult to understand but the Indian Army are not why we have segregated communities in the city/country today. Most descendents of those coming to the UK post 1945 have fully integrated, it's those that have come here more recently that don't seem to want to.

I detect an undertone of resentment against the British Government in your post. WW2 was fought by many different countries across the Empire who were all fighting equally for the same cause and helping to rebuild the country after the war was the same.

I had family who were born in India and spent their lives there. Leading up to and after Indian Independence in 1947, it became too dangerous for them to be there solely because of the colour of their skin so were forced to flee to the UK. They were British descendents, they integrated into Indian society and customs and their later descendents knew no other way of life.

The current situation shows that many people come to the UK just for the benefits of the country (all benefits, not just welfare) with no intention of segregating. If these issues aren't addressed, I can't help feeling that the resentment and ignorance that exists between these segregated communities and other communities will spiral out of control and history will repeat itself. This programme is an ideal platform for these communities to open up and if they have nothing to hide they'll be represented fairly.

[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.[/p][/quote]I agree but this was the Indian army and the segregated communities and mass immigration from many countries is not a direct result of this. Please don't misundertsand me, the Indian army have the same level respect as anybody fighting for their coutry deserves but their commitment doesn't explain the situation we face today.[/p][/quote]Not too difficult to understand that the end result of the same war was the massive problem of rebuilding of this country and shortage of labour available, so British govt ended up making desperate requests to Commonwealth countries to supply workers, which came either out of same soldiers who helped in saving Britain or their relatives and fellow country men and women.[/p][/quote]I didn't say it was difficult to understand but the Indian Army are not why we have segregated communities in the city/country today. Most descendents of those coming to the UK post 1945 have fully integrated, it's those that have come here more recently that don't seem to want to.
I detect an undertone of resentment against the British Government in your post. WW2 was fought by many different countries across the Empire who were all fighting equally for the same cause and helping to rebuild the country after the war was the same.
I had family who were born in India and spent their lives there. Leading up to and after Indian Independence in 1947, it became too dangerous for them to be there solely because of the colour of their skin so were forced to flee to the UK. They were British descendents, they integrated into Indian society and customs and their later descendents knew no other way of life.
The current situation shows that many people come to the UK just for the benefits of the country (all benefits, not just welfare) with no intention of segregating. If these issues aren't addressed, I can't help feeling that the resentment and ignorance that exists between these segregated communities and other communities will spiral out of control and history will repeat itself. This programme is an ideal platform for these communities to open up and if they have nothing to hide they'll be represented fairly.sotonboy84

Charlie Bucket wrote:
The fact that the mere proposal of this show has brought a ton of racist idiots out of the woodwork hints at what reaction the actual broadcast would provoke.

Most people are profoundly unimpressed with the open door immigration policy of what passed for a government 1997-2010, so I guess most of us are your favourite lefty boo-word &quot;rac-ist"

Couldn't have put it any better...

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote:
The fact that the mere proposal of this show has brought a ton of racist idiots out of the woodwork hints at what reaction the actual broadcast would provoke.[/p][/quote]Most people are profoundly unimpressed with the open door immigration policy of what passed for a government 1997-2010, so I guess most of us are your favourite lefty boo-word "rac-ist"[/p][/quote]Couldn't have put it any better...sotonboy84

skeptik wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.

I agree but this was the Indian army and the segregated communities and mass immigration from many countries is not a direct result of this. Please don't misundertsand me, the Indian army have the same level respect as anybody fighting for their coutry deserves but their commitment doesn't explain the situation we face today.

Not too difficult to understand that the end result of the same war was the massive problem of rebuilding of this country and shortage of labour available, so British govt ended up making desperate requests to Commonwealth countries to supply workers, which came either out of same soldiers who helped in saving Britain or their relatives and fellow country men and women.

I didn't say it was difficult to understand but the Indian Army are not why we have segregated communities in the city/country today. Most descendents of those coming to the UK post 1945 have fully integrated, it's those that have come here more recently that don't seem to want to.

I detect an undertone of resentment against the British Government in your post. WW2 was fought by many different countries across the Empire who were all fighting equally for the same cause and helping to rebuild the country after the war was the same.

I had family who were born in India and spent their lives there. Leading up to and after Indian Independence in 1947, it became too dangerous for them to be there solely because of the colour of their skin so were forced to flee to the UK. They were British descendents, they integrated into Indian society and customs and their later descendents knew no other way of life.

The current situation shows that many people come to the UK just for the benefits of the country (all benefits, not just welfare) with no intention of segregating. If these issues aren't addressed, I can't help feeling that the resentment and ignorance that exists between these segregated communities and other communities will spiral out of control and history will repeat itself. This programme is an ideal platform for these communities to open up and if they have nothing to hide they'll be represented fairly.

*no intention of "integrating"

[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
Had it not been for: The Indian Army began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. As a long serving soldier from a military family - much respect for these great soldiers.[/p][/quote]I agree but this was the Indian army and the segregated communities and mass immigration from many countries is not a direct result of this. Please don't misundertsand me, the Indian army have the same level respect as anybody fighting for their coutry deserves but their commitment doesn't explain the situation we face today.[/p][/quote]Not too difficult to understand that the end result of the same war was the massive problem of rebuilding of this country and shortage of labour available, so British govt ended up making desperate requests to Commonwealth countries to supply workers, which came either out of same soldiers who helped in saving Britain or their relatives and fellow country men and women.[/p][/quote]I didn't say it was difficult to understand but the Indian Army are not why we have segregated communities in the city/country today. Most descendents of those coming to the UK post 1945 have fully integrated, it's those that have come here more recently that don't seem to want to.
I detect an undertone of resentment against the British Government in your post. WW2 was fought by many different countries across the Empire who were all fighting equally for the same cause and helping to rebuild the country after the war was the same.
I had family who were born in India and spent their lives there. Leading up to and after Indian Independence in 1947, it became too dangerous for them to be there solely because of the colour of their skin so were forced to flee to the UK. They were British descendents, they integrated into Indian society and customs and their later descendents knew no other way of life.
The current situation shows that many people come to the UK just for the benefits of the country (all benefits, not just welfare) with no intention of segregating. If these issues aren't addressed, I can't help feeling that the resentment and ignorance that exists between these segregated communities and other communities will spiral out of control and history will repeat itself. This programme is an ideal platform for these communities to open up and if they have nothing to hide they'll be represented fairly.[/p][/quote]*no intention of "integrating"sotonboy84

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!

Erm, WRONG!

Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.

You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in &quot;a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.

If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.

Your Quote

"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"

If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!!

bahahahahaha, if you didn't sound like a inbreed parasitic troll on your first post, you have now achieved that status!

Congratulations to you.

The question was rhetorical! hahahaha, a genius you are not, but you are still entitled to your opinion. I am curious as to your qualifications in social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, unfortunately living somewhere for twenty years only qualifies you as a RESIDENT. please correct me ,if you have published a paper explaining the Harmonious Nature of Multicultural Societies as I would be thrilled to read it!

Living here for over 20 yrs give me better insight to how people get along in this area and how we all, from different back grounds integrate and socialize after all that is what its essentially all about this new documentary.
You on the other hand can go to University for over 20 years and study social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, but would still leave you no where near as qualified as you have no experience in diverse inner city life.
As you don’t live or work here do you ? your full of Cr@p

So would you like to meet up so I can introduce you to all the wonderful locals here ? Some thing that you have failed do to since working here ( As I know your blatantly lying).

You need to get out more…excuse me if I leave our wonderful discussion here I must get back to work, that’s right I’m probably paying for your benefits you w@nker enjoy the show if it goes ahead…heaven forbid it they ever film a white ghetto like Shirley Warren, Thornhill, Harefield or Weston ???

All low employment areas and most on benefits and over 90% white English ??? No that wouldn’t be good viewing would it ????

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !![/p][/quote]Erm, WRONG!
Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.
You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in "a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.[/p][/quote]If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.
Your Quote
"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"
If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!![/p][/quote]bahahahahaha, if you didn't sound like a inbreed parasitic troll on your first post, you have now achieved that status!
Congratulations to you.
The question was rhetorical! hahahaha, a genius you are not, but you are still entitled to your opinion. I am curious as to your qualifications in social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, unfortunately living somewhere for twenty years only qualifies you as a RESIDENT. please correct me ,if you have published a paper explaining the Harmonious Nature of Multicultural Societies as I would be thrilled to read it![/p][/quote]Living here for over 20 yrs give me better insight to how people get along in this area and how we all, from different back grounds integrate and socialize after all that is what its essentially all about this new documentary.
You on the other hand can go to University for over 20 years and study social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, but would still leave you no where near as qualified as you have no experience in diverse inner city life.
As you don’t live or work here do you ? your full of Cr@p
So would you like to meet up so I can introduce you to all the wonderful locals here ? Some thing that you have failed do to since working here ( As I know your blatantly lying).
You need to get out more…excuse me if I leave our wonderful discussion here I must get back to work, that’s right I’m probably paying for your benefits you w@nker enjoy the show if it goes ahead…heaven forbid it they ever film a white ghetto like Shirley Warren, Thornhill, Harefield or Weston ???
All low employment areas and most on benefits and over 90% white English ??? No that wouldn’t be good viewing would it ????RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE

Tell you what.... meet me and i'll introduce tio all the wonderful people that live here...I'll make you eat your words MUPPET

Wonderful... threats...

Amazing, how tough people can be on a keyboard.

You have just highlighted that you sir cannot/do not function in a multicultural society as my opinion/belief has caused you to fall into some pit of rage, resulting in threats. where exactly is all this acceptance stuff you have just been preaching about?

you sir/madam are a hypocrite.

What Threat ???

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
@ Task force
Tell you what.... meet me and i'll introduce tio all the wonderful people that live here...I'll make you eat your words MUPPET[/p][/quote]Wonderful... threats...
Amazing, how tough people can be on a keyboard.
You have just highlighted that you sir cannot/do not function in a multicultural society as my opinion/belief has caused you to fall into some pit of rage, resulting in threats. where exactly is all this acceptance stuff you have just been preaching about?
you sir/madam are a hypocrite.[/p][/quote]What Threat ???RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE

Tell you what.... meet me and i'll introduce tio all the wonderful people that live here...I'll make you eat your words MUPPET

Wonderful... threats...

Amazing, how tough people can be on a keyboard.

You have just highlighted that you sir cannot/do not function in a multicultural society as my opinion/belief has caused you to fall into some pit of rage, resulting in threats. where exactly is all this acceptance stuff you have just been preaching about?

you sir/madam are a hypocrite.

What Threat ???

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
@ Task force
Tell you what.... meet me and i'll introduce tio all the wonderful people that live here...I'll make you eat your words MUPPET[/p][/quote]Wonderful... threats...
Amazing, how tough people can be on a keyboard.
You have just highlighted that you sir cannot/do not function in a multicultural society as my opinion/belief has caused you to fall into some pit of rage, resulting in threats. where exactly is all this acceptance stuff you have just been preaching about?
you sir/madam are a hypocrite.[/p][/quote]What Threat ???RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE

Tell you what.... meet me and i'll introduce tio all the wonderful people that live here...I'll make you eat your words MUPPET

Wonderful... threats...

Amazing, how tough people can be on a keyboard.

You have just highlighted that you sir cannot/do not function in a multicultural society as my opinion/belief has caused you to fall into some pit of rage, resulting in threats. where exactly is all this acceptance stuff you have just been preaching about?

you sir/madam are a hypocrite.

What Threat ???

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
@ Task force
Tell you what.... meet me and i'll introduce tio all the wonderful people that live here...I'll make you eat your words MUPPET[/p][/quote]Wonderful... threats...
Amazing, how tough people can be on a keyboard.
You have just highlighted that you sir cannot/do not function in a multicultural society as my opinion/belief has caused you to fall into some pit of rage, resulting in threats. where exactly is all this acceptance stuff you have just been preaching about?
you sir/madam are a hypocrite.[/p][/quote]What Threat ???RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying &quot;No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.

Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...

and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...

Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?[/p][/quote]Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.[/p][/quote]Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...
and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...[/p][/quote]Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.bigfella777

If they actually make a programme in the St Marys area it will certainly be entertaining. I have worked in this area for 9 years and witnessed many things such as a fight which resulted in a man being stabbed, an attack with a machete, drug dealing and prostitution. This was all in broad daylight so night time must be really interesting!!

If they actually make a programme in the St Marys area it will certainly be entertaining. I have worked in this area for 9 years and witnessed many things such as a fight which resulted in a man being stabbed, an attack with a machete, drug dealing and prostitution. This was all in broad daylight so night time must be really interesting!!Leesylou67

It will be the usual Channel 4 (Daily Mail of the tele world) stirring up by choice editing and voice overs with nothing but prevaricating from the show's producers. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

So'ton Council will be against it as they won't like the portrayal of their city since they do seem to have this deluded belief that the city is some up and coming, thriving, salubrious town whereas the class of the general population has plummeted and perhaps they are worried people will see Southampton for what it is. A fairly low, poor, working class city. No prejudice against immigrants whatsoever from me. It's just the planning and management of the city has brought this about and perhaps Southampton Council don't want the nation knowing the mess they have made of what could have been a semi-decent but, sadly, now an aberration of a town.

It will be the usual Channel 4 (Daily Mail of the tele world) stirring up by choice editing and voice overs with nothing but prevaricating from the show's producers. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
So'ton Council will be against it as they won't like the portrayal of their city since they do seem to have this deluded belief that the city is some up and coming, thriving, salubrious town whereas the class of the general population has plummeted and perhaps they are worried people will see Southampton for what it is. A fairly low, poor, working class city. No prejudice against immigrants whatsoever from me. It's just the planning and management of the city has brought this about and perhaps Southampton Council don't want the nation knowing the mess they have made of what could have been a semi-decent but, sadly, now an aberration of a town.Terry_Nutkins

Charlie Bucket wrote:
The fact that the mere proposal of this show has brought a ton of racist idiots out of the woodwork hints at what reaction the actual broadcast would provoke.

Most people are profoundly unimpressed with the open door immigration policy of what passed for a government 1997-2010, so I guess most of us are your favourite lefty boo-word &quot;rac-ist"

I'm similarly unimpressed with it. Doesn't mean I think anyone who doesn't speak English is here on the scrounge.

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote:
The fact that the mere proposal of this show has brought a ton of racist idiots out of the woodwork hints at what reaction the actual broadcast would provoke.[/p][/quote]Most people are profoundly unimpressed with the open door immigration policy of what passed for a government 1997-2010, so I guess most of us are your favourite lefty boo-word "rac-ist"[/p][/quote]I'm similarly unimpressed with it. Doesn't mean I think anyone who doesn't speak English is here on the scrounge.Charlie Bucket

Charlie Bucket wrote:
The fact that the mere proposal of this show has brought a ton of racist idiots out of the woodwork hints at what reaction the actual broadcast would provoke.

Most people are profoundly unimpressed with the open door immigration policy of what passed for a government 1997-2010, so I guess most of us are your favourite lefty boo-word &quot;rac-ist"

I'm similarly unimpressed with it. Doesn't mean I think anyone who doesn't speak English is here on the scrounge.

Slight correction to better reflect the idiocy of some people here:

I don't think anyone who speaks a language other than English is here on the scrounge.

[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote:
The fact that the mere proposal of this show has brought a ton of racist idiots out of the woodwork hints at what reaction the actual broadcast would provoke.[/p][/quote]Most people are profoundly unimpressed with the open door immigration policy of what passed for a government 1997-2010, so I guess most of us are your favourite lefty boo-word "rac-ist"[/p][/quote]I'm similarly unimpressed with it. Doesn't mean I think anyone who doesn't speak English is here on the scrounge.[/p][/quote]Slight correction to better reflect the idiocy of some people here:
I don't think anyone who speaks a language other than English is here on the scrounge.Charlie Bucket

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!

Erm, WRONG!

Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.

You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in &quot;a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.

If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.

Your Quote

"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"

If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!!

bahahahahaha, if you didn't sound like a inbreed parasitic troll on your first post, you have now achieved that status!

Congratulations to you.

The question was rhetorical! hahahaha, a genius you are not, but you are still entitled to your opinion. I am curious as to your qualifications in social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, unfortunately living somewhere for twenty years only qualifies you as a RESIDENT. please correct me ,if you have published a paper explaining the Harmonious Nature of Multicultural Societies as I would be thrilled to read it!

Living here for over 20 yrs give me better insight to how people get along in this area and how we all, from different back grounds integrate and socialize after all that is what its essentially all about this new documentary.
You on the other hand can go to University for over 20 years and study social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, but would still leave you no where near as qualified as you have no experience in diverse inner city life.
As you don’t live or work here do you ? your full of Cr@p

So would you like to meet up so I can introduce you to all the wonderful locals here ? Some thing that you have failed do to since working here ( As I know your blatantly lying).

You need to get out more…excuse me if I leave our wonderful discussion here I must get back to work, that’s right I’m probably paying for your benefits you w@nker enjoy the show if it goes ahead…heaven forbid it they ever film a white ghetto like Shirley Warren, Thornhill, Harefield or Weston ???

All low employment areas and most on benefits and over 90% white English ??? No that wouldn’t be good viewing would it ????

Mr Parasitic Troll,

You are correct when you say you can study for 20 years and still have no idea of inner city life.

You are wrong, I lived in the City Centre for approx 10 years and have worked in the city centre for 11 years. I spent 4 years of this time working in Newtown, so don't call me a liar.

Why on Earth would I want to meet up with a jumped up, trolling, inbreed, poor excuse for a human being with the intelligence of a single cell amoeba?! The point is, I would not like to meet, so decline your very kind offer...

Just an FYI. I have worked since i was 12 and have never, ever claim one benefit! I am proud to say I have never taken a handout from the government. I don't see how my recreational time is your business, but you are correct I do like a good old masturbation session when time permits from my hectic schedule, (providing the other half isn't in the mood that is), because lets face it, its all well and good practising kicking a ball against a wall, but playing in a football match is much better ;-) unless your lacking in experience in this area, in which case I apologise for rubbing it in your face...

It would also appear you are a racist, judging by your last commit referring to the 90% white English on benefits. truth be told these people make me sick and furious, sitting around waiting for money to fall in their lap whilst watching Jeremy Kyle and expecting the government to wipe their anal passages. I would count these people as inbreed scum as well (but that is just my opinion)

[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !![/p][/quote]Erm, WRONG!
Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.
You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in "a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.[/p][/quote]If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.
Your Quote
"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"
If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!![/p][/quote]bahahahahaha, if you didn't sound like a inbreed parasitic troll on your first post, you have now achieved that status!
Congratulations to you.
The question was rhetorical! hahahaha, a genius you are not, but you are still entitled to your opinion. I am curious as to your qualifications in social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, unfortunately living somewhere for twenty years only qualifies you as a RESIDENT. please correct me ,if you have published a paper explaining the Harmonious Nature of Multicultural Societies as I would be thrilled to read it![/p][/quote]Living here for over 20 yrs give me better insight to how people get along in this area and how we all, from different back grounds integrate and socialize after all that is what its essentially all about this new documentary.
You on the other hand can go to University for over 20 years and study social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, but would still leave you no where near as qualified as you have no experience in diverse inner city life.
As you don’t live or work here do you ? your full of Cr@p
So would you like to meet up so I can introduce you to all the wonderful locals here ? Some thing that you have failed do to since working here ( As I know your blatantly lying).
You need to get out more…excuse me if I leave our wonderful discussion here I must get back to work, that’s right I’m probably paying for your benefits you w@nker enjoy the show if it goes ahead…heaven forbid it they ever film a white ghetto like Shirley Warren, Thornhill, Harefield or Weston ???
All low employment areas and most on benefits and over 90% white English ??? No that wouldn’t be good viewing would it ????[/p][/quote]Mr Parasitic Troll,
You are correct when you say you can study for 20 years and still have no idea of inner city life.
You are wrong, I lived in the City Centre for approx 10 years and have worked in the city centre for 11 years. I spent 4 years of this time working in Newtown, so don't call me a liar.
Why on Earth would I want to meet up with a jumped up, trolling, inbreed, poor excuse for a human being with the intelligence of a single cell amoeba?! The point is, I would not like to meet, so decline your very kind offer...
Just an FYI. I have worked since i was 12 and have never, ever claim one benefit! I am proud to say I have never taken a handout from the government. I don't see how my recreational time is your business, but you are correct I do like a good old masturbation session when time permits from my hectic schedule, (providing the other half isn't in the mood that is), because lets face it, its all well and good practising kicking a ball against a wall, but playing in a football match is much better ;-) unless your lacking in experience in this area, in which case I apologise for rubbing it in your face...
It would also appear you are a racist, judging by your last commit referring to the 90% white English on benefits. truth be told these people make me sick and furious, sitting around waiting for money to fall in their lap whilst watching Jeremy Kyle and expecting the government to wipe their anal passages. I would count these people as inbreed scum as well (but that is just my opinion)Taskforce 141

Taskforce 141 wrote: Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way. This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims. Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc. The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic. like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !! What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!

Erm, WRONG! Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality. You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in &quot;a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.

If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified. Your Quote "The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things" If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!!

bahahahahaha, if you didn't sound like a inbreed parasitic troll on your first post, you have now achieved that status! Congratulations to you. The question was rhetorical! hahahaha, a genius you are not, but you are still entitled to your opinion. I am curious as to your qualifications in social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, unfortunately living somewhere for twenty years only qualifies you as a RESIDENT. please correct me ,if you have published a paper explaining the Harmonious Nature of Multicultural Societies as I would be thrilled to read it!

Living here for over 20 yrs give me better insight to how people get along in this area and how we all, from different back grounds integrate and socialize after all that is what its essentially all about this new documentary. You on the other hand can go to University for over 20 years and study social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, but would still leave you no where near as qualified as you have no experience in diverse inner city life. As you don’t live or work here do you ? your full of Cr@p So would you like to meet up so I can introduce you to all the wonderful locals here ? Some thing that you have failed do to since working here ( As I know your blatantly lying). You need to get out more…excuse me if I leave our wonderful discussion here I must get back to work, that’s right I’m probably paying for your benefits you w@nker enjoy the show if it goes ahead…heaven forbid it they ever film a white ghetto like Shirley Warren, Thornhill, Harefield or Weston ??? All low employment areas and most on benefits and over 90% white English ??? No that wouldn’t be good viewing would it ????

They've already done the "white ghetto" show in James Turner Street, Birmingham.

This programme hasn't even gone ahead yet but if the residents of St Mary's want to be portrayed in a positive light & have nothing untoward to hide, get out there & do it.

[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way. This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims. Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc. The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic. like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !! What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !![/p][/quote]Erm, WRONG! Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality. You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in "a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.[/p][/quote]If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified. Your Quote "The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things" If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!![/p][/quote]bahahahahaha, if you didn't sound like a inbreed parasitic troll on your first post, you have now achieved that status! Congratulations to you. The question was rhetorical! hahahaha, a genius you are not, but you are still entitled to your opinion. I am curious as to your qualifications in social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, unfortunately living somewhere for twenty years only qualifies you as a RESIDENT. please correct me ,if you have published a paper explaining the Harmonious Nature of Multicultural Societies as I would be thrilled to read it![/p][/quote]Living here for over 20 yrs give me better insight to how people get along in this area and how we all, from different back grounds integrate and socialize after all that is what its essentially all about this new documentary. You on the other hand can go to University for over 20 years and study social and cultural studies and the impact on xenophobia in a modern society, but would still leave you no where near as qualified as you have no experience in diverse inner city life. As you don’t live or work here do you ? your full of Cr@p So would you like to meet up so I can introduce you to all the wonderful locals here ? Some thing that you have failed do to since working here ( As I know your blatantly lying). You need to get out more…excuse me if I leave our wonderful discussion here I must get back to work, that’s right I’m probably paying for your benefits you w@nker enjoy the show if it goes ahead…heaven forbid it they ever film a white ghetto like Shirley Warren, Thornhill, Harefield or Weston ??? All low employment areas and most on benefits and over 90% white English ??? No that wouldn’t be good viewing would it ????[/p][/quote]They've already done the "white ghetto" show in James Turner Street, Birmingham.
This programme hasn't even gone ahead yet but if the residents of St Mary's want to be portrayed in a positive light & have nothing untoward to hide, get out there & do it.sotonboy84

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying &quot;No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.

Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...

and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...

Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.

I believe I addressed your comments, and did not ignore them at all. Me a fool? No sir/madam I believe you are the fool if you believe we live in a harmonious multicultural society.

Just an FYI - I have attended a Mosque in Newtown so please do not make assumptions.

Like you sir fool, i do not care what you think either as i am fully aware of the world we live in and was trying to have a debate over a subject which some people feel strongly about. You missed the cataclysmic point of acceptance of others peoples beliefs, opinions etc and went straight for ignorance. That of course is your prerogative and your right to do so.

[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?[/p][/quote]Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.[/p][/quote]Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...
and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...[/p][/quote]Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.[/p][/quote]I believe I addressed your comments, and did not ignore them at all. Me a fool? No sir/madam I believe you are the fool if you believe we live in a harmonious multicultural society.
Just an FYI - I have attended a Mosque in Newtown so please do not make assumptions.
Like you sir fool, i do not care what you think either as i am fully aware of the world we live in and was trying to have a debate over a subject which some people feel strongly about. You missed the cataclysmic point of acceptance of others peoples beliefs, opinions etc and went straight for ignorance. That of course is your prerogative and your right to do so.Taskforce 141

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying &quot;No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.

Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...

and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...

Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.

I believe I addressed your comments, and did not ignore them at all. Me a fool? No sir/madam I believe you are the fool if you believe we live in a harmonious multicultural society.

Just an FYI - I have attended a Mosque in Newtown so please do not make assumptions.

Like you sir fool, i do not care what you think either as i am fully aware of the world we live in and was trying to have a debate over a subject which some people feel strongly about. You missed the cataclysmic point of acceptance of others peoples beliefs, opinions etc and went straight for ignorance. That of course is your prerogative and your right to do so.

[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?[/p][/quote]Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.[/p][/quote]Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...
and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...[/p][/quote]Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.[/p][/quote]I believe I addressed your comments, and did not ignore them at all. Me a fool? No sir/madam I believe you are the fool if you believe we live in a harmonious multicultural society.
Just an FYI - I have attended a Mosque in Newtown so please do not make assumptions.
Like you sir fool, i do not care what you think either as i am fully aware of the world we live in and was trying to have a debate over a subject which some people feel strongly about. You missed the cataclysmic point of acceptance of others peoples beliefs, opinions etc and went straight for ignorance. That of course is your prerogative and your right to do so.Taskforce 141

Mr E wrote:
As a White Middle aged Male, Derby Rd is one of the few areas in Southampton where i would not feel comfortable walking down the street on my own during daytime.

Is that what multicultural means ?

If I saw you "a white middle aged man" walking down Derby Rd I'd be very suspicious, You could be mistaken for a punter!! You pervy wuss

[quote][p][bold]Mr E[/bold] wrote:
As a White Middle aged Male, Derby Rd is one of the few areas in Southampton where i would not feel comfortable walking down the street on my own during daytime.
Is that what multicultural means ?[/p][/quote]If I saw you "a white middle aged man" walking down Derby Rd I'd be very suspicious, You could be mistaken for a punter!! You pervy wussNaya

Charlie Bucket wrote:
The fact that the mere proposal of this show has brought a ton of racist idiots out of the woodwork hints at what reaction the actual broadcast would provoke.

Most people are profoundly unimpressed with the open door immigration policy of what passed for a government 1997-2010, so I guess most of us are your favourite lefty boo-word &quot;rac-ist"

I'm similarly unimpressed with it. Doesn't mean I think anyone who doesn't speak English is here on the scrounge.

Slight correction to better reflect the idiocy of some people here:

I don't think anyone who speaks a language other than English is here on the scrounge.

Nor do I. And if some do come here for that purpose it's our fault anyway. The idiocy of 1997-2010 rewarded indolence . As the man says "if you pay people to be bums, you'll get a lot of bums" Clearly someone from Moldova would be better off doing nothing here than working 60 hours a week there. Our "leaders" always forget that people with no skills or aspirations can still be profoundly rational economic beings. The crux of it is that we've had enough immigration in 2 decades to take a century to assimilate. And before you speak of skilled immigrants, yes we need them, but they tend to prop up our failing State education "system", so again it's us who are out of order.

[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote:
The fact that the mere proposal of this show has brought a ton of racist idiots out of the woodwork hints at what reaction the actual broadcast would provoke.[/p][/quote]Most people are profoundly unimpressed with the open door immigration policy of what passed for a government 1997-2010, so I guess most of us are your favourite lefty boo-word "rac-ist"[/p][/quote]I'm similarly unimpressed with it. Doesn't mean I think anyone who doesn't speak English is here on the scrounge.[/p][/quote]Slight correction to better reflect the idiocy of some people here:
I don't think anyone who speaks a language other than English is here on the scrounge.[/p][/quote]Nor do I. And if some do come here for that purpose it's our fault anyway. The idiocy of 1997-2010 rewarded indolence . As the man says "if you pay people to be bums, you'll get a lot of bums" Clearly someone from Moldova would be better off doing nothing here than working 60 hours a week there. Our "leaders" always forget that people with no skills or aspirations can still be profoundly rational economic beings. The crux of it is that we've had enough immigration in 2 decades to take a century to assimilate. And before you speak of skilled immigrants, yes we need them, but they tend to prop up our failing State education "system", so again it's us who are out of order.Dai Rear

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying &quot;No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.

Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...

and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...

Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.

I believe I addressed your comments, and did not ignore them at all. Me a fool? No sir/madam I believe you are the fool if you believe we live in a harmonious multicultural society.

Just an FYI - I have attended a Mosque in Newtown so please do not make assumptions.

Like you sir fool, i do not care what you think either as i am fully aware of the world we live in and was trying to have a debate over a subject which some people feel strongly about. You missed the cataclysmic point of acceptance of others peoples beliefs, opinions etc and went straight for ignorance. That of course is your prerogative and your right to do so.

Oh go get a life.....you sad 'little' tw@t

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?[/p][/quote]Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.[/p][/quote]Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...
and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...[/p][/quote]Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.[/p][/quote]I believe I addressed your comments, and did not ignore them at all. Me a fool? No sir/madam I believe you are the fool if you believe we live in a harmonious multicultural society.
Just an FYI - I have attended a Mosque in Newtown so please do not make assumptions.
Like you sir fool, i do not care what you think either as i am fully aware of the world we live in and was trying to have a debate over a subject which some people feel strongly about. You missed the cataclysmic point of acceptance of others peoples beliefs, opinions etc and went straight for ignorance. That of course is your prerogative and your right to do so.[/p][/quote]Oh go get a life.....you sad 'little' tw@tRED & WHITE..RED & WHITE

It's a solid fact that the immigrant population claim far less per head in benefits than the indigenous population.

Guess that's a bit of an inconvenient truth for those that want to parrot the 'scoungers' line though isn't it?

It's a solid fact that the immigrant population claim far less per head in benefits than the indigenous population.
Guess that's a bit of an inconvenient truth for those that want to parrot the 'scoungers' line though isn't it?Raxx

Red & white
Thats the 3rd time at least you have reverted to calling posters on here if thats how you finish an argument please stay in your little multi cultural world in St Marys because obviously your a big man in your society, if you come out of it you might find if you speak to real life people you might just get slapped.

Red & white
Thats the 3rd time at least you have reverted to calling posters on here if thats how you finish an argument please stay in your little multi cultural world in St Marys because obviously your a big man in your society, if you come out of it you might find if you speak to real life people you might just get slapped.Woolston ollie

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying &quot;No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.

Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...

and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...

Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.

I believe I addressed your comments, and did not ignore them at all. Me a fool? No sir/madam I believe you are the fool if you believe we live in a harmonious multicultural society.

Just an FYI - I have attended a Mosque in Newtown so please do not make assumptions.

Like you sir fool, i do not care what you think either as i am fully aware of the world we live in and was trying to have a debate over a subject which some people feel strongly about. You missed the cataclysmic point of acceptance of others peoples beliefs, opinions etc and went straight for ignorance. That of course is your prerogative and your right to do so.

Oh go get a life.....you sad 'little' tw@t

Thanks to the miracle of evolution over countless millennia I was born with opposable thumbs, which amongst other things enable me to type on a keyboard, thus (at least to a certain degree) proving life is inhabiting my mortal form. I therefore do not see the benefit or need to seek a secondary life force for my mortal frame.

Again you are correct, I am sad... I am very sad that despite millions of years of evolution somehow nonsensical life forms emerge and test the very fabric of patience and indeed "intelligent life". I am also sad that despite the revolution bounds forwards mankind makes, there are still people starving, dying of curable diseases, war, and of course One Direction!

I do not understand why little is displayed as 'little', is this a slight on short people such as dwarfs? if so, sir troll, i believe that you are not only racist but indeed discriminatory and do not fully understand nor embrace a multicultural society, where short people, height impaired people and tall people can live together in harmony without the need of others to look down on them...

your use of the word tw@t is miraculous, who would of thought an intellectual such as yourself would not how to use such a word in such a magnificent way.

If you could find the right instrument, i do believe, with some help, you may indeed be able to pull your cranium from your rectal cavity and grasp what it means to be both civil and how to engage in a healthy debate. Unfortunately I have not heard of such an instrument in existence so I fear you will have to remain clueless as to the world outside your immediate line of sight and enjoy the comfort faecal matter offers to people with your ailment - otherwise known as an all encompassing a$$ hole.

[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?[/p][/quote]Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.[/p][/quote]Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...
and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...[/p][/quote]Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.[/p][/quote]I believe I addressed your comments, and did not ignore them at all. Me a fool? No sir/madam I believe you are the fool if you believe we live in a harmonious multicultural society.
Just an FYI - I have attended a Mosque in Newtown so please do not make assumptions.
Like you sir fool, i do not care what you think either as i am fully aware of the world we live in and was trying to have a debate over a subject which some people feel strongly about. You missed the cataclysmic point of acceptance of others peoples beliefs, opinions etc and went straight for ignorance. That of course is your prerogative and your right to do so.[/p][/quote]Oh go get a life.....you sad 'little' tw@t[/p][/quote]Thanks to the miracle of evolution over countless millennia I was born with opposable thumbs, which amongst other things enable me to type on a keyboard, thus (at least to a certain degree) proving life is inhabiting my mortal form. I therefore do not see the benefit or need to seek a secondary life force for my mortal frame.
Again you are correct, I am sad... I am very sad that despite millions of years of evolution somehow nonsensical life forms emerge and test the very fabric of patience and indeed "intelligent life". I am also sad that despite the revolution bounds forwards mankind makes, there are still people starving, dying of curable diseases, war, and of course One Direction!
I do not understand why little is displayed as 'little', is this a slight on short people such as dwarfs? if so, sir troll, i believe that you are not only racist but indeed discriminatory and do not fully understand nor embrace a multicultural society, where short people, height impaired people and tall people can live together in harmony without the need of others to look down on them...
your use of the word tw@t is miraculous, who would of thought an intellectual such as yourself would not how to use such a word in such a magnificent way.
If you could find the right instrument, i do believe, with some help, you may indeed be able to pull your cranium from your rectal cavity and grasp what it means to be both civil and how to engage in a healthy debate. Unfortunately I have not heard of such an instrument in existence so I fear you will have to remain clueless as to the world outside your immediate line of sight and enjoy the comfort faecal matter offers to people with your ailment - otherwise known as an all encompassing a$$ hole.Taskforce 141

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying &quot;No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.

why not freemason street ,shine the torch on them ,great idea.

[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?[/p][/quote]Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.[/p][/quote]why not freemason street ,shine the torch on them ,great idea.Bobs Your Uncle ?

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.

Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?

I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying &quot;No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?

Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.

Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...

and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...

Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.

I believe I addressed your comments, and did not ignore them at all. Me a fool? No sir/madam I believe you are the fool if you believe we live in a harmonious multicultural society.

Just an FYI - I have attended a Mosque in Newtown so please do not make assumptions.

Like you sir fool, i do not care what you think either as i am fully aware of the world we live in and was trying to have a debate over a subject which some people feel strongly about. You missed the cataclysmic point of acceptance of others peoples beliefs, opinions etc and went straight for ignorance. That of course is your prerogative and your right to do so.

Oh go get a life.....you sad 'little' tw@t

Thanks to the miracle of evolution over countless millennia I was born with opposable thumbs, which amongst other things enable me to type on a keyboard, thus (at least to a certain degree) proving life is inhabiting my mortal form. I therefore do not see the benefit or need to seek a secondary life force for my mortal frame.

Again you are correct, I am sad... I am very sad that despite millions of years of evolution somehow nonsensical life forms emerge and test the very fabric of patience and indeed "intelligent life". I am also sad that despite the revolution bounds forwards mankind makes, there are still people starving, dying of curable diseases, war, and of course One Direction!

I do not understand why little is displayed as 'little', is this a slight on short people such as dwarfs? if so, sir troll, i believe that you are not only racist but indeed discriminatory and do not fully understand nor embrace a multicultural society, where short people, height impaired people and tall people can live together in harmony without the need of others to look down on them...

your use of the word tw@t is miraculous, who would of thought an intellectual such as yourself would not how to use such a word in such a magnificent way.

If you could find the right instrument, i do believe, with some help, you may indeed be able to pull your cranium from your rectal cavity and grasp what it means to be both civil and how to engage in a healthy debate. Unfortunately I have not heard of such an instrument in existence so I fear you will have to remain clueless as to the world outside your immediate line of sight and enjoy the comfort faecal matter offers to people with your ailment - otherwise known as an all encompassing a$$ hole.

You have real issues I think, you either think you are better than other people or you are inadequate compared to other people.
If you had a good happy life, nice wife you wouldnt be like this, maybe the problem is not other people but looking at you in the mirror.
What is the purpose of you life? You should ask yourself this question maybe you can change have good life.I hope so.

[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]What a sad sheltered life you must lead. On any day I can buy bread from a Polish shop, get my hair cut by a Turk, smoke a shisa at Mediterranean cafe, go for lunch at a Sikh Langhar, listen to the call for prayer, go for coffee at the Somali centre, buy fresh Coffee beans from an Ethiopian, buy fresh fish from an Irishman or listen to stories about the war from a senior citizen. I love it here.[/p][/quote]I call BS!
You could do all those things but I doubt that you do...
Your entitled to your opinion, but sheltered my life certainly hasn't been.
Tell me, as i honestly dont know but can only guess... can a muslim attend lunch at the Sikh Langhar or can a Christian come and say their own prayer at the call of prayer?
I believe it was only last year that a Polish shop put up a sign saying "No English" please explain how that would fit into your multicultural utopia?[/p][/quote]Of course you can go to any temple everyone is welcome as long as you sensibly respect their culture and religion that's just common sense, they won't turn anyone away. But if you want to go to a Masonic lodge meeting you will definitely be turned away.
Come to lunch at the Vedic society any Sunday it's free.[/p][/quote]Cracking, someone else who missed the point entirely...
and are you seriously saying that a sikh, christian, pagon or rasta could enter a mosque and conduct their own prayers/practices? I would love to believe that, but I sense the mild yet unrecognisable odour of bull droppings...[/p][/quote]Why are you ignoring what I said and just being a bigoted fool. You don't go to worship Hinduism in a Mosque obviously but yes a Hindu can go to a Mosque and so can you but you would be too afraid. You are the idiot who is missing out on things so I couldn't care really what you think.[/p][/quote]I believe I addressed your comments, and did not ignore them at all. Me a fool? No sir/madam I believe you are the fool if you believe we live in a harmonious multicultural society.
Just an FYI - I have attended a Mosque in Newtown so please do not make assumptions.
Like you sir fool, i do not care what you think either as i am fully aware of the world we live in and was trying to have a debate over a subject which some people feel strongly about. You missed the cataclysmic point of acceptance of others peoples beliefs, opinions etc and went straight for ignorance. That of course is your prerogative and your right to do so.[/p][/quote]Oh go get a life.....you sad 'little' tw@t[/p][/quote]Thanks to the miracle of evolution over countless millennia I was born with opposable thumbs, which amongst other things enable me to type on a keyboard, thus (at least to a certain degree) proving life is inhabiting my mortal form. I therefore do not see the benefit or need to seek a secondary life force for my mortal frame.
Again you are correct, I am sad... I am very sad that despite millions of years of evolution somehow nonsensical life forms emerge and test the very fabric of patience and indeed "intelligent life". I am also sad that despite the revolution bounds forwards mankind makes, there are still people starving, dying of curable diseases, war, and of course One Direction!
I do not understand why little is displayed as 'little', is this a slight on short people such as dwarfs? if so, sir troll, i believe that you are not only racist but indeed discriminatory and do not fully understand nor embrace a multicultural society, where short people, height impaired people and tall people can live together in harmony without the need of others to look down on them...
your use of the word tw@t is miraculous, who would of thought an intellectual such as yourself would not how to use such a word in such a magnificent way.
If you could find the right instrument, i do believe, with some help, you may indeed be able to pull your cranium from your rectal cavity and grasp what it means to be both civil and how to engage in a healthy debate. Unfortunately I have not heard of such an instrument in existence so I fear you will have to remain clueless as to the world outside your immediate line of sight and enjoy the comfort faecal matter offers to people with your ailment - otherwise known as an all encompassing a$$ hole.[/p][/quote]You have real issues I think, you either think you are better than other people or you are inadequate compared to other people.
If you had a good happy life, nice wife you wouldnt be like this, maybe the problem is not other people but looking at you in the mirror.
What is the purpose of you life? You should ask yourself this question maybe you can change have good life.I hope so.JanPawel

I don't know about immigration street but people like Khalid farooq should definitely be on benefits street. As not long ago Khalid farooq had to resign from his post as a member of Labour Party. This was all due to benefit fraud that him and his wife committed. I bet he will be more then happy for his wife to be on the show, as she will be able to show how multicultural she is.

I don't know about immigration street but people like Khalid farooq should definitely be on benefits street. As not long ago Khalid farooq had to resign from his post as a member of Labour Party. This was all due to benefit fraud that him and his wife committed. I bet he will be more then happy for his wife to be on the show, as she will be able to show how multicultural she is.Disclose

sotonwinch09 wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.

the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment

[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.[/p][/quote]the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainmentsouthy

So the Snobs at the City Council don't want to show the cultural diversity of the City. T hats because most of them have never been down there, I think it would make a wonderful programme. The Last time I looked we live in a democracy What you got to hide City Leaders. I don't believe you have a legal right to prevent it. They don't need your permission to film in a public place nor do they require your permission to interview the public at large. Hopefully the City Snobs wont be invited to take part.

So the Snobs at the City Council don't want to show the cultural diversity of the City. T hats because most of them have never been down there, I think it would make a wonderful programme. The Last time I looked we live in a democracy What you got to hide City Leaders. I don't believe you have a legal right to prevent it. They don't need your permission to film in a public place nor do they require your permission to interview the public at large. Hopefully the City Snobs wont be invited to take part.biggus2

sotonwinch09 wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.

the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment

Hey Southy: were you very cross about the London barber using a picture of your Beloved Leader as an illustration of a bad hair day?

[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.[/p][/quote]the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment[/p][/quote]Hey Southy: were you very cross about the London barber using a picture of your Beloved Leader as an illustration of a bad hair day?Dai Rear

sotonwinch09 wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.

the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment

Not sure that's correct. Surely if the person who is being filmed gives permission, the Council can't interfere? I thought this was a democratic Country where we can choose.

[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.[/p][/quote]the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment[/p][/quote]Not sure that's correct. Surely if the person who is being filmed gives permission, the Council can't interfere? I thought this was a democratic Country where we can choose.IronLady2010

I feel it could be a good programme, Derby Road is a very nice part of the City, for those whom aren't ignorant.

Derby Road is a very mixed society and it shows that different cultures can live together regardless of that religious nonsense.

I'm thinking the Council wouldn't like this focused on Southampton as they are ashamed of what this City provides to outsiders.

I hope they do this programme, it will make some people richer and show that a community of different cultures can live together.

I feel it could be a good programme, Derby Road is a very nice part of the City, for those whom aren't ignorant.
Derby Road is a very mixed society and it shows that different cultures can live together regardless of that religious nonsense.
I'm thinking the Council wouldn't like this focused on Southampton as they are ashamed of what this City provides to outsiders.
I hope they do this programme, it will make some people richer and show that a community of different cultures can live together.IronLady2010

sotonwinch09 wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.

the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment

Public Entertainment?

Now I know you're just making it up. Southy, you really do talk cr@p

[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.[/p][/quote]the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment[/p][/quote]Public Entertainment?
Now I know you're just making it up. Southy, you really do talk cr@pIronLady2010

bigfella777 wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.

You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want

OK, so &quot;diverse" means "not English". Have I got that right? I suppose the word must mean something though possibly it's like "gadzooks", just expostulation.
Is Shirley "multicultural"? And if so, what does it mean?

Southampton truly is a multicultural city. This is good (at least I think so). But I'm not convinced that social diversity is best served by cultural isolation, which is what we have is in St Mary's more than any other district in the city.

Not wishing to be offensive but it's simply a tautology to say "Southampton is it" "It is Southampton". What do these 2 words mean, "multicultural" and "diverse"? Could the Ottoman Empire be described as "multicultural" and "diverse" Austria-Hungary? Was our Empire?

Where exactly in his post is the tautology?

[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Potatocake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Potatocake[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
Most people who live in the area have been living in the UK for decades some 2nd and 3rd generation. As some have said before why not go to Shirley or Portswood? I definitely would not trust these sensationalist production companies.[/p][/quote]You're missing the point. St Mary's is a distinct cultural area. Shirley is much more diverse, as is Portswood which also has a more transient student population. By targeting St Marys it's obvious what the producers want[/p][/quote]OK, so "diverse" means "not English". Have I got that right? I suppose the word must mean something though possibly it's like "gadzooks", just expostulation.
Is Shirley "multicultural"? And if so, what does it mean?[/p][/quote]Southampton truly is a multicultural city. This is good (at least I think so). But I'm not convinced that social diversity is best served by cultural isolation, which is what we have is in St Mary's more than any other district in the city.[/p][/quote]Not wishing to be offensive but it's simply a tautology to say "Southampton is it" "It is Southampton". What do these 2 words mean, "multicultural" and "diverse"? Could the Ottoman Empire be described as "multicultural" and "diverse" Austria-Hungary? Was our Empire?[/p][/quote]Where exactly in his post is the tautology?userds5050

biggus2 wrote:
So the Snobs at the City Council don't want to show the cultural diversity of the City. T hats because most of them have never been down there, I think it would make a wonderful programme. The Last time I looked we live in a democracy What you got to hide City Leaders. I don't believe you have a legal right to prevent it. They don't need your permission to film in a public place nor do they require your permission to interview the public at large. Hopefully the City Snobs wont be invited to take part.

Did you even SEE Benefits Streets? It was so clearly a heavily biased show that only showed the worst on benefits and didn't want to show those who NEED them. C4 went for low brow "entertainment" and made a mess of the entire thing. This immigrant thing is gonna be used as a poking stick just to stir up bad feelings towards the so called "evil immigrants". I would refuse to let them film too

[quote][p][bold]biggus2[/bold] wrote:
So the Snobs at the City Council don't want to show the cultural diversity of the City. T hats because most of them have never been down there, I think it would make a wonderful programme. The Last time I looked we live in a democracy What you got to hide City Leaders. I don't believe you have a legal right to prevent it. They don't need your permission to film in a public place nor do they require your permission to interview the public at large. Hopefully the City Snobs wont be invited to take part.[/p][/quote]Did you even SEE Benefits Streets? It was so clearly a heavily biased show that only showed the worst on benefits and didn't want to show those who NEED them. C4 went for low brow "entertainment" and made a mess of the entire thing. This immigrant thing is gonna be used as a poking stick just to stir up bad feelings towards the so called "evil immigrants". I would refuse to let them film tooMary80

sotonwinch09 wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.

the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment

Not sure that's correct. Surely if the person who is being filmed gives permission, the Council can't interfere? I thought this was a democratic Country where we can choose.

theres a line there, i did say public area, inside of homes far as i know there no problem, but there might be condition if the home is rented , out side its a different matter, news items are excused, but filming for entertainment is another matter.
When they filmed at cumbrian way shops many moons ago, they had to get council permission and the police had to be told, every single residence all shop owners all had to agree

[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.[/p][/quote]the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment[/p][/quote]Not sure that's correct. Surely if the person who is being filmed gives permission, the Council can't interfere? I thought this was a democratic Country where we can choose.[/p][/quote]theres a line there, i did say public area, inside of homes far as i know there no problem, but there might be condition if the home is rented , out side its a different matter, news items are excused, but filming for entertainment is another matter.
When they filmed at cumbrian way shops many moons ago, they had to get council permission and the police had to be told, every single residence all shop owners all had to agreesouthy

sotonwinch09 wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.

the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment

Public Entertainment?

Now I know you're just making it up. Southy, you really do talk cr@p

Make no mistakes this is for entertainment, its not a documentary, just like there show base in Birmingham was for entertainment it was aimed to create a reaction and it did get one from the council and Unions and local people, they had to finish filming in a totally different area

[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.[/p][/quote]the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment[/p][/quote]Public Entertainment?
Now I know you're just making it up. Southy, you really do talk cr@p[/p][/quote]Make no mistakes this is for entertainment, its not a documentary, just like there show base in Birmingham was for entertainment it was aimed to create a reaction and it did get one from the council and Unions and local people, they had to finish filming in a totally different areasouthy

sotonwinch09 wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.

the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment

Public Entertainment?

Now I know you're just making it up. Southy, you really do talk cr@p

Make no mistakes this is for entertainment, its not a documentary, just like there show base in Birmingham was for entertainment it was aimed to create a reaction and it did get one from the council and Unions and local people, they had to finish filming in a totally different area

I really can't be bothered to correct you. No point, as you'll just come up with rubbish. You really are stupid.

[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.[/p][/quote]the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment[/p][/quote]Public Entertainment?
Now I know you're just making it up. Southy, you really do talk cr@p[/p][/quote]Make no mistakes this is for entertainment, its not a documentary, just like there show base in Birmingham was for entertainment it was aimed to create a reaction and it did get one from the council and Unions and local people, they had to finish filming in a totally different area[/p][/quote]I really can't be bothered to correct you. No point, as you'll just come up with rubbish. You really are stupid.IronLady2010

Woolston ollie wrote:
I bet the council dont want it shown on TV it will show what a shithole Southampton has become.
47 different languages in one road and i bet not many of them speak ENGLISH.
Go to Shirley,Portswood,St Marys its like traveling to a to another country how long before the road signs are in a different language with ENGLISH being at the bottom

This......

[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote:
I bet the council dont want it shown on TV it will show what a shithole Southampton has become.
47 different languages in one road and i bet not many of them speak ENGLISH.
Go to Shirley,Portswood,St Marys its like traveling to a to another country how long before the road signs are in a different language with ENGLISH being at the bottom[/p][/quote]This......Harold K Steptoe

IronLady2010 wrote:
I feel it could be a good programme, Derby Road is a very nice part of the City, for those whom aren't ignorant.

Derby Road is a very mixed society and it shows that different cultures can live together regardless of that religious nonsense.

I'm thinking the Council wouldn't like this focused on Southampton as they are ashamed of what this City provides to outsiders.

I hope they do this programme, it will make some people richer and show that a community of different cultures can live together.

Fully agree with your first two paragraphs.

I have no complete inside knowledge of why Cllr. Letts and Cllr. Kaur are opposing, but what they are quoted to have said appears to be reasonable and responsible, which I can fully support and in fact apperciate.

Your last para in my opinion may be wishful thinking on your part, but I doubt if that is the real intention of the firm involved. Because community in deprived inner city living in reasonable harmony cannot create controversy or major news item, and lack of sensation does not attract large audience, hence not high financial rewards for producers and Ch4. So as usual they are likely to do whatever stirs big enough controversy. They may make plenty of money but I fear the inner city community may end up paying the price with ruined reputation and even some other social costs.

[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote:
I feel it could be a good programme, Derby Road is a very nice part of the City, for those whom aren't ignorant.
Derby Road is a very mixed society and it shows that different cultures can live together regardless of that religious nonsense.
I'm thinking the Council wouldn't like this focused on Southampton as they are ashamed of what this City provides to outsiders.
I hope they do this programme, it will make some people richer and show that a community of different cultures can live together.[/p][/quote]Fully agree with your first two paragraphs.
I have no complete inside knowledge of why Cllr. Letts and Cllr. Kaur are opposing, but what they are quoted to have said appears to be reasonable and responsible, which I can fully support and in fact apperciate.
Your last para in my opinion may be wishful thinking on your part, but I doubt if that is the real intention of the firm involved. Because community in deprived inner city living in reasonable harmony cannot create controversy or major news item, and lack of sensation does not attract large audience, hence not high financial rewards for producers and Ch4. So as usual they are likely to do whatever stirs big enough controversy. They may make plenty of money but I fear the inner city community may end up paying the price with ruined reputation and even some other social costs.Paramjit Bahia

sotonwinch09 wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.

the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment

Public Entertainment?

Now I know you're just making it up. Southy, you really do talk cr@p

Make no mistakes this is for entertainment, its not a documentary, just like there show base in Birmingham was for entertainment it was aimed to create a reaction and it did get one from the council and Unions and local people, they had to finish filming in a totally different area

I really can't be bothered to correct you. No point, as you'll just come up with rubbish. You really are stupid.

Thats because you can't, Benefit street was script written

[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.[/p][/quote]the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment[/p][/quote]Public Entertainment?
Now I know you're just making it up. Southy, you really do talk cr@p[/p][/quote]Make no mistakes this is for entertainment, its not a documentary, just like there show base in Birmingham was for entertainment it was aimed to create a reaction and it did get one from the council and Unions and local people, they had to finish filming in a totally different area[/p][/quote]I really can't be bothered to correct you. No point, as you'll just come up with rubbish. You really are stupid.[/p][/quote]Thats because you can't, Benefit street was script writtensouthy

IronLady2010 wrote:
I feel it could be a good programme, Derby Road is a very nice part of the City, for those whom aren't ignorant.

Derby Road is a very mixed society and it shows that different cultures can live together regardless of that religious nonsense.

I'm thinking the Council wouldn't like this focused on Southampton as they are ashamed of what this City provides to outsiders.

I hope they do this programme, it will make some people richer and show that a community of different cultures can live together.

Fully agree with your first two paragraphs.

I have no complete inside knowledge of why Cllr. Letts and Cllr. Kaur are opposing, but what they are quoted to have said appears to be reasonable and responsible, which I can fully support and in fact apperciate.

Your last para in my opinion may be wishful thinking on your part, but I doubt if that is the real intention of the firm involved. Because community in deprived inner city living in reasonable harmony cannot create controversy or major news item, and lack of sensation does not attract large audience, hence not high financial rewards for producers and Ch4. So as usual they are likely to do whatever stirs big enough controversy. They may make plenty of money but I fear the inner city community may end up paying the price with ruined reputation and even some other social costs.

I would agree, it could a well made bit of work, and do some real good, but What took place in Birmingham that force them to pull the plug and had to finish the show in another location, They are only out to get a reaction and the timing of it will put it right on the General election.

[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote:
I feel it could be a good programme, Derby Road is a very nice part of the City, for those whom aren't ignorant.
Derby Road is a very mixed society and it shows that different cultures can live together regardless of that religious nonsense.
I'm thinking the Council wouldn't like this focused on Southampton as they are ashamed of what this City provides to outsiders.
I hope they do this programme, it will make some people richer and show that a community of different cultures can live together.[/p][/quote]Fully agree with your first two paragraphs.
I have no complete inside knowledge of why Cllr. Letts and Cllr. Kaur are opposing, but what they are quoted to have said appears to be reasonable and responsible, which I can fully support and in fact apperciate.
Your last para in my opinion may be wishful thinking on your part, but I doubt if that is the real intention of the firm involved. Because community in deprived inner city living in reasonable harmony cannot create controversy or major news item, and lack of sensation does not attract large audience, hence not high financial rewards for producers and Ch4. So as usual they are likely to do whatever stirs big enough controversy. They may make plenty of money but I fear the inner city community may end up paying the price with ruined reputation and even some other social costs.[/p][/quote]I would agree, it could a well made bit of work, and do some real good, but What took place in Birmingham that force them to pull the plug and had to finish the show in another location, They are only out to get a reaction and the timing of it will put it right on the General election.southy

The only reason certain landlords and the council don't want it here is because you will see exactly how many people live in some properties there, many of which are basically funded by local taxpayers

The only reason certain landlords and the council don't want it here is because you will see exactly how many people live in some properties there, many of which are basically funded by local taxpayersMr Cynical

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!

Erm, WRONG!

Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.

You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in &quot;a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.

If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.

Your Quote

"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"

If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!!

Classic example of how our society works, or doesn't work. 'I've been here longer than you so I know better'. Sounds like a strap line from the EDF. I've just read these comments through, top to bottom in one go. If Love Productions had any doubts about filming in Southampton you have all just made up their mind, if they read this they will be rubbing their hands and already planning the second series.

[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !![/p][/quote]Erm, WRONG!
Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.
You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in "a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.[/p][/quote]If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.
Your Quote
"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"
If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!![/p][/quote]Classic example of how our society works, or doesn't work. 'I've been here longer than you so I know better'. Sounds like a strap line from the EDF. I've just read these comments through, top to bottom in one go. If Love Productions had any doubts about filming in Southampton you have all just made up their mind, if they read this they will be rubbing their hands and already planning the second series.iow-is-red-and-white

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.

This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.

Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.

The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.

like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change!

Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !!

Erm, WRONG!

Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.

You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in &quot;a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.

If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.

Your Quote

"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"

If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!!

Classic example of how our society works, or doesn't work. 'I've been here longer than you so I know better'. Sounds like a strap line from the EDF. I've just read these comments through, top to bottom in one go. If Love Productions had any doubts about filming in Southampton you have all just made up their mind, if they read this they will be rubbing their hands and already planning the second series.

Cheers. I'm now getting ads from the energy company.

[quote][p][bold]iow-is-red-and-white[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RED & WHITE..RED & WHITE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote:
Cant really see how Southampton is a multicultural city, as my understanding of the word multicultural is people from many different walks of life be it nationality, faith, sexuality or creed living together in a harmonious way.
This certainly doesn't relate to Southamtpon, because although we do have people from many walks of life, they all choose to live in micro communities within the city, with the Polish only associating with the Polish, the Muslims only associating with the Muslims, but then there is even a divide between Somali Muslims and other practising muslims.
Unfortunately the matter of fact is that although we try and pride ourselves on being a multicultural city - we are all in fact (to a certain degree) xenophobic and thus naturally gravitate towards what we find 'normal' and familiar - so if your Polish you will seek more Poles, if you are Romanian you will seek more Romanians etc etc.
The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things, such as how we all came to be, how children should be bought up, how women should be treated, work ethic.
like it or not: difference breeds arguments, tension and spite and we as Humans are still not evolved enough to be accepting of others without thrusting our values upon them and expecting change![/p][/quote]Your talking out your bottom, Your missing the point in St Marys we all have friends neighbours business all by different cultures and guess what ? We do talk we do laugh we do ‘muddle’ in together shove of you small minded idiot !!
What the hell would you know, your obviously don’t live in the city centre jog on !![/p][/quote]Erm, WRONG!
Lived in the City Centre for 10 years and work in the city centre and have worked in St Marys/Nicholstown, so jump down off your high horse and slap yourself in the face with some reality.
You have also just proven my point overwhelmingly! I gave my views and opinions on my experience of both living and working in "a multicultural area" and you respond with insults. Too un-evolved to recognise the fact you fuelled my own point - absolutely priceless but thank you for the laughter, highly amusing.[/p][/quote]If that was the case you'd agree with me as I have lived in the community for over 20 yrs, which I think makes me more qualified.
Your Quote
"The real question is can harmony truly exist between different groups of people who believe in many different things"
If you lived and worked in St Marys you would know the answer to your very own question.....how ever I'm glad you found what I wrote amusing...which just high lights how small minded you are...JOG ON !!![/p][/quote]Classic example of how our society works, or doesn't work. 'I've been here longer than you so I know better'. Sounds like a strap line from the EDF. I've just read these comments through, top to bottom in one go. If Love Productions had any doubts about filming in Southampton you have all just made up their mind, if they read this they will be rubbing their hands and already planning the second series.[/p][/quote]Cheers. I'm now getting ads from the energy company.userds5050

sotonwinch09 wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.

the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment

Not sure that's correct. Surely if the person who is being filmed gives permission, the Council can't interfere? I thought this was a democratic Country where we can choose.

Peter has issues with democracy.

[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote:
The counsellors and city leaders have no say whatsoever if this show goes ahead or not. They do not live there! If the residents are willing to participate then let them. It was still a free country last time I checked.[/p][/quote]the counselors and cl have every right to have a say, as it is not a news item and its just another tv show permission must be granted while filming in any public area, it comes under public entertainment[/p][/quote]Not sure that's correct. Surely if the person who is being filmed gives permission, the Council can't interfere? I thought this was a democratic Country where we can choose.[/p][/quote]Peter has issues with democracy.Shoong