Doctor Who from the start (by a n00b)

I like both origins, but I probably enjoyed Genisis more than The Daleks. But I haven't seen either of them in years, probably before Matt Smith even became the Doctor.

But one thing which always confused me about the daleks origins is does Genisis basically retcon or reboot the dead planet, or does something the timelords do create an alternate timeline? Or id the Davros saga just set before the dead planet, the when we see the dead planet, it's some time after Genisis?

I like both origins, but I probably enjoyed Genisis more than The Daleks. But I haven't seen either of them in years, probably before Matt Smith even became the Doctor.

But one thing which always confused me about the daleks origins is does Genisis basically retcon or reboot the dead planet, or does something the timelords do create an alternate timeline? Or id the Davros saga just set before the dead planet, the when we see the dead planet, it's some time after Genisis?

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Genesis of the Daleks, would obviously be before Dead Planet. However, The Time War means any number of Contradictions/Retcons can simultaneously exist, especially amongst Daleks and Gallifreyans. The Great Intelligence going into The Doctor's Time Stream and changing his victories to defeats, and then Clara jumping in and striking back and reclaiming those victories, IMHO, was a visual representation for us of The Time (Except Clara merely used defensive strikes aimed to set things back on course, both The Daleks and Time Lords would be making offensive strikes in each other's histories to hurt each other)

Ah right. Really, I think Moffat's fucked up the Dales, almost if not beyond redemption. In Victory, he made them into the teletubby's personal toilets, and in Asylum, he magically bought back Skaro without any explanation, and also randomly gave us the Dalek Asylum. The concept of an asylum for daleks had more potential than most doctor who things, but 45 minutes was nowhere near long enough to fully explore it. All we got for 45 minutes was just rusty RTD daleks, Amy and Rory going through marriage issues, Clara Oswald being built up for series 7.2, and the doctor not taking the daleks seriously like 9, 10 or pretty much any other incarnation would have done. At the end of it, he just flew away from the daleks and pretty much for his entire incarnation let them get away with doing stuff, something which any other 10 incarnations of the doctor would have laid down the lives to sort out.

As soon as Moffat finally fucks off into a hole in the ground after series 8, maybe we can actually sort out the daleks again, and get rid of cybermen which look like plastic and are so powerful, it's pretty much impossible to write a decent episode for them.

...and in Asylum, he magically bought back Skaro without any explanation...

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There was never any statement that Skaro was inaccessible due to the Time War, like Gallifrey; that was a fan assumption. Its total destruction in Remembrance of the Daleks could have occurred at any point in time - we saw the Earth destroyed in The End of the World too, but that doesn't mean the show can't ever visit it again.

Good point. Maybe Davros there is from after the Stolen Earth. That's why only his head survives. But either way, I don't like having Skaro back unless we have a whole episode devoted to brining it back properly.

Then again, in remembrance, the Hand of Omega destroyed Skaro in 1963, so unless every Dalek story with Skaro is set before 1963, there's a continuity hole bigger than Moffat's ego.

Good point. Maybe Davros there is from after the Stolen Earth. That's why only his head survives. But either way, I don't like having Skaro back unless we have a whole episode devoted to brining it back properly.

Then again, in remembrance, the Hand of Omega destroyed Skaro in 1963, so unless every Dalek story with Skaro is set before 1963, there's a continuity hole bigger than Moffat's ego.

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Why are you compaining about Skaro existing after Remembrance in Moffat Who? Doesn't the beginning of The Enemy Within, tell us Seven picked up the Master from Skaro, long after Remembrance (In Seven's Time Line)

Actually the dialog implies the "Hand of Omega" traveled through time when it approached Skaro's sun. Here's the transcript.

DAVROS: I will teach you the folly of your words, Doctor. I will destroy you and demonstrate the power of the Daleks!
DOCTOR [on screen]: Davros, I beg of you, don't use the Hand.
DAVROS: Ah, Doctor, now you begin to fear.
DOCTOR [on screen]: You're making a grave mistake.
DAVROS: Activate the Omega device!
DALEK: Omega device activated.
(A little star flies out of the Mothership.)
DALEK 2: Plotting course to home planet Skaro.
DAVROS: Now the Daleks shall become the Lords of Time!
DALEK 2: Entering Skaro time zone. First stage expansion. Primary neutrino release.
DALEK: Core collapse instigated.
DALEK 2: Danger! Instability! Reaction out of control.
DAVROS: No, this cannot be correct!
DALEK: Home planet Skaro about to vapourise.
(The Hand leaves the system as the star goes supernova and takes the planets with it.)

Hopefully someone else can remember the line, but earlier in that serial, I believe it's stated the Daleks had traveled back in time to 1963. So the "Hand" actually made Skaro's sun of the distant future (relative to 1963) go supernova.

So basically, Skaro being destroyed wasn't even a big deal? So basically, all the Daleks got pissy over nothing? Oh.

Well if the 96 film/Enemy Within says so, it is. Also remember that the Enemy Within said the doctor is half human, so if I have to accept Skaro could still be around, you have to accept the doctor is half human.

Although my first-watch marathon was finished last year, I've been continuing on with the 'reboot' series as a sort of second-watch refresher, and posting my opinions of each episode in the same fashion, but newly equipped with knowledge of the classic series that I never had last time. I was hoping to be finished before the start of season 8, but that's not going to happen now.

Anyway, I'm currently knees-deep into "season 5" (or season 31, if you prefer!), having most recently watched Vincent and the Doctor. Thanks to anyone who's still following. This has been an epic journey.

I never really liked the version of Skaro's history created in "Genesis of the Daleks", I sort of preferred the simpler and less obvious introduction to the Daleks and Thals, even if it is just a variant of the Morlocks and Eloi from the "Time Machine".