But the main theme of the Skywalker family Sith lords seems to be a redemption of some sort. Could both Anakin and Jacen perhaps have been saved and indeed kept alive? Could Anakin still have made a repentance after Windu's death, or Jacen before Jaina killed him?_________________Perfection is a lifelong pursuit requiring sacrifice. The only way to get it quicker is to sacrifice the most.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:39 am

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Rouge77Master

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I would say so. Jacen was a light diet Sith anyway and Anakin was redeemed eventually, so why couldn't he be redeemed already in RotS? It was just that people didn't try (at all when it comes to Jacen) or in the correct way when it comes to Anakin.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:09 am

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Mara Jade SkywalkerAdministrator

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I am disappointed in such as the Council when it came to redemption. Here was Luke trying to redeem the father he never knew while said father tried to kill him, but the Council won't lift a finger to help the boy they've raised most of his life. *sigh* But then I suppose it wouldn't be Star Wars if it hadn't happened as it did._________________"It's not about the legacy you leave, it's about the life you live." ~Mara Jade Skywalker

Ah, I believe DS was attempting a joke there. Could be mistaken, but I do believe so...

I figured that lol. But seeing that made me think about that, so I figured I'd mention it . . ._________________
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In mourning . . .

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:48 am

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Darth SkuldrenModerator

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Definitely joking.

As for the Old Jedi Order and their procedures for Sith, they had but one rule: If you are Sith, you must die.

Whether you like it or not, that rule, though probably never official, was the general guideline of the Order. Most of the canon supports it as well. The Jedi felt that once you turned to the dark side, their was no turning back. Or at least they didn't harbor any hope for it. Ulic Qel Droma was about the only one who got away with it, and even then only begrudgingly.

Of course if I was a Jedi and Anakin just wiped out the temple and all the younglings, I don't think I'd be in all that forgiving a mood. I could forgive him for killing the Tusken's in anger, that was a rather understandable act. Even if he did kill woman and little children Tuskens. Then killing Windu, I could even forgive him of that. Windu did go absolute on Palpatine, deciding not to take him prisoner but to kill him instead. Anakin simply removed Mace's hand. In actuality Palps was the one to throw him out the window. However, his kneeling down at that point to become Darth Vader becomes rather questionable. Then he starts his bidding by taking out the temple. Once he killed the younglings, he crossed a boundary few murders even cross. The killing of innocent, defenseless beings of your own kind and culture is about as bad as it gets. At that point I say redemption is not possible.

Alas give someone 20 or 30 years and all the sudden they become redeemable. Go figure._________________
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:55 am

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Mara Jade SkywalkerAdministrator

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It was all the time he had to reflect, don't you see. Because, as we see in Last of the Jedi, he was never truly able to forget, despite his many efforts._________________"It's not about the legacy you leave, it's about the life you live." ~Mara Jade Skywalker

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:34 pm

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The seeds of darkness were always with Anakin Skywalker, they just blossomed when he came into contact with Palpatine. As for turning, I believe it was when he left the Jedi Council chamber; against Windu's orders, he knew that Jedi would destroy Sith, rather than look at them, and he left to try and stop that. When he left, deep in his heart, he must have known that he might have to kill a Jedi to stop him from destroying the Sith. He went to help Sidious, not some claptrap he was jabbering about, "taking him to court", pfeh! Swallow that one whole, I cannot! I mean how can you really go from "What have I done?" one second, and the next second, bowing and pledging yourself to your "enemy's" teachings? He left the Council chambers with a plan, and that's his turning point._________________"Who's scruffy lookin'?"

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:49 pm

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AutobonMaster

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I am going to have to agree with Darth Skuldren, when he killed the younglings.

Anyone gripping that much about sand and doing it so poorly! Lost to the Dark Side he was._________________-Bring on your thousands, one at a time or all in a rush. I don't give a damn. None shall pass.
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kurtdcMaster

Joined: 15 May 2008Posts: 602Location: boston

I think the final step was the slaughtering of younglings. But I also don't think it can be pinned to that. There was darkness swirling in him for years. Although without those final steps he could have ended up one of those sort of dark, brooding types of Jedi ala Quinlan Vos.

I think the final step was the slaughtering of younglings. But I also don't think it can be pinned to that. There was darkness swirling in him for years. Although without those final steps he could have ended up one of those sort of dark, brooding types of Jedi ala Quinlan Vos.

I remember him with the bloodcarver thinking- wow THIS YOUNG!!?_________________-Bring on your thousands, one at a time or all in a rush. I don't give a damn. None shall pass.
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I've never been of fan of post-TPM books that portray Anakin as completely evil. Some hero.

Which books are those? I recall many showing his dark tendencies, but also his good side and all the conflict in between.

Yeah I'd say when he's seen as Dark it's not as unbalanced as one would think, I mean he has what 1 dark scene throughout the story.

For the most part anyway._________________-Bring on your thousands, one at a time or all in a rush. I don't give a damn. None shall pass.
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