Those "Dragonglass" daggers look more like spear tips to me. Or even arrow tips. And yes, it bothered me enormously when fatty left one of the most precious things on the planet laying in the snow. Didn't he play Dungeons and Dragons as a kid? You don't drop your +10 Hp dragon ice dagger Zombie killing device after your first skirmish.

gotribe31 wrote:Half of the episodes in the 4th season are going to be like that. There's still lots to happen in the 3rd book.

I don't think a lot of the episodes will be like THAT, but there's still a significant body count to be had from that book. Should be a more eventful season than this one, which was a little slow at times.

You gotta be a cold MF to go stabbing a pregnant woman in the belly 5 or 6 times.

At this point I'm pulling hard for Dany to end up winning the whole damn thing. She is by far the person most equiped to be ruling a kingdom at this point.

When word get's back to Kings Landing about what happened, how long until Tyrion and Sansa set out to Winterfell under the asumption that Sansa is the heir? I hope they get there before Bran and Rickon come back from the dead.

But yeah, that NSYC looking douchebag...I'm not sure I like him at all. I don't trust him any farther than HIKO can throw him, bad knee and all.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Arya is kinda annoying, all she does is whine, demand, and make threats she can't back up. Apparently she's just going to wander around forever since her mom and brother are corpses.

She was much cooler in the book up to this point, but I assume that this ordeal has sealed her fate as someone who backs up her threats. I think the show went out of their way to keep her a little more "innocent" up to this point so that when she goes over to the dark side there's a character arc.

4/5 really aren't that bad, especially when they're combined instead of split up geographically. I think they got a bad rap because they followed book 3 (which as you're seeing, is the strongest one of the series) and because of the long delay associated with them. Especially for the show, when they can cull out some of the more boring stuff.

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gotribe31 wrote:4/5 really aren't that bad, especially when they're combined instead of split up geographically. I think they got a bad rap because they followed book 3 (which as you're seeing, is the strongest one of the series) and because of the long delay associated with them. Especially for the show, when they can cull out some of the more boring stuff.

I also think they will feel more inclined to go off-book with the plot, which won't necessarily be a bad thing.

But I said from the beginning they just needed to pull the show through the end of Book 3 and I'd be fine. But that was when no one knew how the show would be received - little chance this puppy gets cancelled anytime soon.

How can you write a giant fucking book without all the damn characters?

Since the Starks and their allies are mostly dead, it would seem the main part of the war is over. I hope there are many revenge killings carried out on the Freys and Bolton. I wouldn't mind seeing Roose get a sword through the neck while Rusty is strapped to his own flaying X.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:How can you write a giant fucking book without all the damn characters?

Since the Starks and their allies are mostly dead, it would seem the main part of the war is over. I hope there are many revenge killings carried out on the Freys and Bolton. I wouldn't mind seeing Roose get a sword through the neck while Rusty is strapped to his own flaying X.

Stannis is still in play. Whathisname Greyjoy is still in play. Daenerys is SLOWLY making her way. The Wildlings are still marching on the wall. And then there's those ice zombies. The war is not over, and winter is coming (they'll be shooting a lot of future seasons in Iceland).

I meant the Stark/Lannister war. There will be holdouts, but I don't think any of the other factions (Dany being too far away) can put an army on the field to match the Lannisters and Tyrels. I don't know about Dorne, since the show hasn't taken us there yet. I assume they would be loyal to the crown since Cersi's daughter was sent there to marry somebody.

Hikohadon wrote:True, the Starks is about done. But all it takes is one of them to pledge to be one of the other competitor's bannermen and they're right back in the mix again.

Which hasn't happened yet and I'm not sure who would (Rickon?), but after No-Head-Ned and the Red Wedding there's no way they suffer the Lannisters to stay on the throne.

This is Spoiler-free as it is purely speculation on my part after a good debate with some GoT fans.

We figure Jamie's story is the villain-to-hero redemption arc and that he'll end up killing Cersei himself as he attempts to restore some sense of dignity to the Lannister name. Bran will forgive Jamie and allow him to live because of the deed and Stark Honor and all that as he becomes the new lord of Winterfell.

The Overarching title of the GoT story is "A Song of Ice and Fire," so you have to figure Dany and Jon are going to hook up at some point.

Stannis . . . I got nothing. Very hard to figure out his story arc. I knew Ned was going to die because the focus of Book 1 did seem to be the passing of the torch to the next generation, I just didn't think they'd kill him in Book 1. I knew Robb was toast halfway through Book 2 when he still hadn't become a POV character, but again, I didn't expect him to bite it as early in the overall story as he did. If I can figure out what Stannis' deal is, I'll figure out where he'll end up at. The problem is he's so tied up with Melisandre it muddies the waters.

Melisandre and Stannis very much are inspired by King Arthur mythology, so they're both probably going to die, but Martin does like to put twists on everything, so we'll see.

Before we write off the Starks.... What about the crippled Stark with the telepathic powers? Or whatever we call it in GOT. It dawns on me I might not have paid close enough attention to any dialogue between him and that goofy looking kid who played Qui-Gon Jinn's stepson in that Love Actually movie.

Hikohadon wrote:True, the Starks is about done. But all it takes is one of them to pledge to be one of the other competitor's bannermen and they're right back in the mix again.

Which hasn't happened yet and I'm not sure who would (Rickon?), but after No-Head-Ned and the Red Wedding there's no way they suffer the Lannisters to stay on the throne.

This is Spoiler-free as it is purely speculation on my part after a good debate with some GoT fans.

We figure Jamie's story is the villain-to-hero redemption arc and that he'll end up killing Cersei himself as he attempts to restore some sense of dignity to the Lannister name. Bran will forgive Jamie and allow him to live because of the deed and Stark Honor and all that as he becomes the new lord of Winterfell.

The Overarching title of the GoT story is "A Song of Ice and Fire," so you have to figure Dany and Jon are going to hook up at some point.

Stannis . . . I got nothing. Very hard to figure out his story arc. I knew Ned was going to die because the focus of Book 1 did seem to be the passing of the torch to the next generation, I just didn't think they'd kill him in Book 1. I knew Robb was toast halfway through Book 2 when he still hadn't become a POV character, but again, I didn't expect him to bite it as early in the overall story as he did. If I can figure out what Stannis' deal is, I'll figure out where he'll end up at. The problem is he's so tied up with Melisandre it muddies the waters.

Melisandre and Stannis very much are inspired by King Arthur mythology, so they're both probably going to die, but Martin does like to put twists on everything, so we'll see.

I don't see a way that Arya isn't the one that kills Cersei. And with Melisandre's prediction this season, 2 other important characters. Maybe Daenerys.

Arya will end up killing a few people on her list, but if you're a book reader, you know someone else robs her of the ability to take out one of her targets.

Some random thoughts:I'm holding to my "Jamie Kills Cersei" prediction. I think it goes back to his "Kingslayer" moment when he took out the king to save the country. He'll end up killing his sister for the greater good -- the bitch is batshit crazy.

Jon Snow has some magic in him.

Bran will end the story as Lord of Winterfell.

Martin was on Conan and said he was having a wonderful conversation with one of the actors at this year's premier who didn't realize he'd already killed his character. By the context I think it means someone who dies in Book 5, but I could be wrong.

One reviewer wrote Arya isn't as badass in the show as she is in the books. I disagree.

justmebd wrote:One reviewer wrote Arya isn't as badass in the show as she is in the books. I disagree.

That was me, and I don't think it's even close. Arya on the show is mainly ineffectual, but that's subjective, I guess.

I just think of how easily she gets disarmed on the show, how she killed a couple people when the Night's Watch band got attacked but did nothing when that happened on the show, how she slit the guard's throat to escape Harrenhall in the book but had Faceless Dude do it for her in the show.

I understand why they're doing it, to make her more human, to give her a bigger character arc. But it seems to me there's clearly a difference.

Spartacus, at least the first 2 seasons are like 300 on meth. It's all head slicing and chick bangin', hyper stylized of course.

That stabbing still doesn't make Arya cool or badass. If it wasn't for the Hound, she would be dead.

The scene with Rusty and the sausage was gross, then it turned into "Roots is gonna sue somebody".

Stannis going north is great because it gets him off that stupid rock and back into the fight. Fire And Ice. Tactically speaking, If I was Jon or Sam, I would consider telling the Watch to let all the damn wildlings through, every person you leave, is just another to swell the ranks of the white walkers.