Bit'O'Gristle:scottydoesntknow: nmrsnr: Virgin pregnancies are actually possible naturally, in rare circumstance, and with today's fertilization technology, is fairly simple (if somewhat expensive) to accomplish. I say the burden of proof is on the school is to prove she had sex.

Isn't the church against artificial insemination? I could've sworn I read somewhere that they were.

/they are against anything but the woman on the bottom...with her whore mouth shut, a vehicle to dump her husbands cum into. So yes, they are pretty much against artificial insemination, or anything else that would involve the woman having any fun before marriage, including the horrible sinful, and fantastially erotic female masturbation. That would be enjoyable to the woman...and..we cant have that without the man present. Then it's ok. So, stop touching yourself while youre not married ladies, your hand will get stuck like that, furry palms, your eyes will cross, blah blah blah.

/you get the point.

Men aren't allowed to masturbate either. The purpose of sex is procreation, not recreation. ;)

rocketpants:Because having an unemployed single mother is what's best for the child.

/Funny you say that...there was a story years ago about a couple that were in "good standing" whatever that means, i guess that means "good mindless sheep" with the church, and they had a little girl. Anyway, turns out the girl was allergic to whatever the wafer was made of (rice? wheat?) that you have to eat during communion. She could have a horrible reaction to it, and die. Anyway, they asked their priest if he could substitute something else, as it was just a symbol of "the body of christ" and not actually crists's flesh, that would be odd, and sick. Anyway, the priest sent this request all the way up the derp food chain, and the family was told, "NO, we cannot do this".

So, in essence, since she couldn't take communion, she was hell bound by the churches rules, even though she had done nothing wrong, and was only 5 or so years old. If i remember right, the Baptists took the family in after the family wised up and told the Catholic Church to stick it up their old tan tailpipe. You farkers can look up the story if you wish, was a long time ago, but that is what i remember of it.

Bit'O'Gristle:rocketpants: Because having an unemployed single mother is what's best for the child.

/Funny you say that...there was a story years ago about a couple that were in "good standing" whatever that means, i guess that means "good mindless sheep" with the church, and they had a little girl. Anyway, turns out the girl was allergic to whatever the wafer was made of (rice? wheat?) that you have to eat during communion. She could have a horrible reaction to it, and die. Anyway, they asked their priest if he could substitute something else, as it was just a symbol of "the body of christ" and not actually crists's flesh, that would be odd, and sick. Anyway, the priest sent this request all the way up the derp food chain, and the family was told, "NO, we cannot do this".

So, in essence, since she couldn't take communion, she was hell bound by the churches rules, even though she had done nothing wrong, and was only 5 or so years old. If i remember right, the Baptists took the family in after the family wised up and told the Catholic Church to stick it up their old tan tailpipe. You farkers can look up the story if you wish, was a long time ago, but that is what i remember of it.

Bit'O'Gristle:rocketpants: Because having an unemployed single mother is what's best for the child.

/Funny you say that...there was a story years ago about a couple that were in "good standing" whatever that means, i guess that means "good mindless sheep" with the church, and they had a little girl. Anyway, turns out the girl was allergic to whatever the wafer was made of (rice? wheat?) that you have to eat during communion. She could have a horrible reaction to it, and die. Anyway, they asked their priest if he could substitute something else, as it was just a symbol of "the body of christ" and not actually crists's flesh, that would be odd, and sick. Anyway, the priest sent this request all the way up the derp food chain, and the family was told, "NO, we cannot do this".

So, in essence, since she couldn't take communion, she was hell bound by the churches rules, even though she had done nothing wrong, and was only 5 or so years old. If i remember right, the Baptists took the family in after the family wised up and told the Catholic Church to stick it up their old tan tailpipe. You farkers can look up the story if you wish, was a long time ago, but that is what i remember of it.

Your memory called. It's at the soccer field and you forgot to pick it up again,

I guess it depends on what you mean by "virgin", but (to keep it mature and scientific) if a dude blows his wad all over woman's lady bits, his little swimmers can maek babby even if his dongle never touches her vagoo.

There is one huge thing I can't find in this or the other article I saw somewhere about the case, and it's a rather big issue- was the pregnancy planned or accidental?

Before I get jumped on, the difference is in the *intent*. In one case, she is actively and willfully flouting the moral teachings of a religious employer by saying "your morality sucks". That really is cause for dismissal. Want to 'live in sin' and be a teacher, go work for the public schools.

On the other hand, lets say the baby is an "oopsie". Guess what, adults sometimes make mistakes. In that case, the school could use the whole thing as a 'teaching moment' and teach a lesson in the virtues of charity and forgiveness and not being a bunch of zero-tolerance jackasses. It's sure better than firing her for a mistake. Dismissal and public shame is why (to some extent) Catholic women have been getting quiet abortions for years, rather than accept the baby and be called 'whore'.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "virgin", but (to keep it mature and scientific) if a dude blows his wad all over woman's lady bits, his little swimmers can maek babby even if his dongle never touches her vagoo.

And I must thank you for keeping mature and scientific. Oh, and you now owe me a new monitor.

Magorn:scottydoesntknow: nmrsnr: Virgin pregnancies are actually possible naturally, in rare circumstance, and with today's fertilization technology, is fairly simple (if somewhat expensive) to accomplish. I say the burden of proof is on the school is to prove she had sex.

Isn't the church against artificial insemination? I could've sworn I read somewhere that they were.

Yup. Mostly because most IVF procedures involve creating multiple embryos with the intent of bringing just one to term,because abortion, or using a third parties sperm an egg, because adultery. However double checking my answer with the googles I discover they t apparently they aren't even happy with external fertilization of a woman's egg with her band's sperm because "the dignity of life"? which I think is code for "because it's icky"

And also "because masturbation". The sperm must end up in the vagina or it's sinful.

feffer:Magorn: scottydoesntknow: nmrsnr: Virgin pregnancies are actually possible naturally, in rare circumstance, and with today's fertilization technology, is fairly simple (if somewhat expensive) to accomplish. I say the burden of proof is on the school is to prove she had sex.

Isn't the church against artificial insemination? I could've sworn I read somewhere that they were.

Yup. Mostly because most IVF procedures involve creating multiple embryos with the intent of bringing just one to term,because abortion, or using a third parties sperm an egg, because adultery. However double checking my answer with the googles I discover they t apparently they aren't even happy with external fertilization of a woman's egg with her band's sperm because "the dignity of life"? which I think is code for "because it's icky"

And also "because masturbation". The sperm must end up in the vagina or it's sinful.

/so youre saying, if i use her vag to jack me off till i cum...thats ok.

kpaxoid:Bit'O'Gristle: rocketpants: Because having an unemployed single mother is what's best for the child.

/Funny you say that...there was a story years ago about a couple that were in "good standing" whatever that means, i guess that means "good mindless sheep" with the church, and they had a little girl. Anyway, turns out the girl was allergic to whatever the wafer was made of (rice? wheat?) that you have to eat during communion. She could have a horrible reaction to it, and die. Anyway, they asked their priest if he could substitute something else, as it was just a symbol of "the body of christ" and not actually crists's flesh, that would be odd, and sick. Anyway, the priest sent this request all the way up the derp food chain, and the family was told, "NO, we cannot do this".

So, in essence, since she couldn't take communion, she was hell bound by the churches rules, even though she had done nothing wrong, and was only 5 or so years old. If i remember right, the Baptists took the family in after the family wised up and told the Catholic Church to stick it up their old tan tailpipe. You farkers can look up the story if you wish, was a long time ago, but that is what i remember of it.

Pocket Ninja:Single mother? She was married, she just hadn't consummated the marriage yet. Which I guess could technically mean that her marriage wasn't official, making her "unwed," but that's a pretty fine hair to split. One could say that her husband was a cuckold, I suppose, but since she didn't technically have sex to conceive her child, that, too, is a difficult distinction to apply. The easiest accusation would be to say that her child is a bastard, but if it's the potential bastard status that makes this teacher unemployable, one would think the school would have to wait for her to have the child first. At least, if they wanted to be completely within the rules. Rules seem to be pretty important here, so I'd think they'd want that.

Of course, even the bastard issue is trumped by the virginity. So if this teacher wanted to keep her job, she could conceivably submit to a virginity exam, perhaps administered by the school headmaster. Virginity is important to them, so I'd imagine he's trained in the administration of said exam. If she proves to be a virgin, she should be allowed to keep her job. And I'd think that knowing one of their teachers was about to give birth to the second Messiah would be a real perk to the school, something they could use for future fundraisers and enrollment drives. You'd think they'd want to hold onto that.

On that note, there are, out there, speakers who offer their audience the opportunity to become born again virgins. That may have some potential application here as well, if for some reason this young woman couldn't pass the exam.

Mary and Joseph were engaged, not married, when she became pregnant. Joseph ended up marrying her anyway.

Darth_Lukecash:Pocket Ninja: Single mother? She was married, she just hadn't consummated the marriage yet. Which I guess could technically mean that her marriage wasn't official, making her "unwed," but that's a pretty fine hair to split. One could say that her husband was a cuckold, I suppose, but since she didn't technically have sex to conceive her child, that, too, is a difficult distinction to apply. The easiest accusation would be to say that her child is a bastard, but if it's the potential bastard status that makes this teacher unemployable, one would think the school would have to wait for her to have the child first. At least, if they wanted to be completely within the rules. Rules seem to be pretty important here, so I'd think they'd want that.

Of course, even the bastard issue is trumped by the virginity. So if this teacher wanted to keep her job, she could conceivably submit to a virginity exam, perhaps administered by the school headmaster. Virginity is important to them, so I'd imagine he's trained in the administration of said exam. If she proves to be a virgin, she should be allowed to keep her job. And I'd think that knowing one of their teachers was about to give birth to the second Messiah would be a real perk to the school, something they could use for future fundraisers and enrollment drives. You'd think they'd want to hold onto that.

On that note, there are, out there, speakers who offer their audience the opportunity to become born again virgins. That may have some potential application here as well, if for some reason this young woman couldn't pass the exam.

Mary and Joseph were engaged, not married, when she became pregnant. Joseph ended up marrying her anyway.

Just like any relationship, you' tell some lies, small ones at first, then bigger ones to cover those. After a while covering the lies gets too big, and eventually the masses will call B.S. So, where were we?

Magorn:scottydoesntknow: Weaver95: Well, it is their club house so they get to set the rules. Is it kinda bullshiat? Maybe. But thems the rules if your boss is a religious organization. Firing a pregnant woman isn't a very kind thing to do tho. It's rather mean spirited IMHO.

Yea, but she's a whore, and Jesus didn't hang out with no whores.

Wait, what? He did? Well shiat!

As I said to someone saying "Well she signed a contract, so ..."

because one of the core message of Christianity is that rigid adherence to the letter of any law should always trump compassion or forgiveness

Uh, no. You a wrong there friend. <Checks headline, yup, catholics at it again> Catholics buy into that cow-patty stuff.

Bit'O'Gristle:feffer: Magorn: scottydoesntknow: nmrsnr: Virgin pregnancies are actually possible naturally, in rare circumstance, and with today's fertilization technology, is fairly simple (if somewhat expensive) to accomplish. I say the burden of proof is on the school is to prove she had sex.

Isn't the church against artificial insemination? I could've sworn I read somewhere that they were.

Yup. Mostly because most IVF procedures involve creating multiple embryos with the intent of bringing just one to term,because abortion, or using a third parties sperm an egg, because adultery. However double checking my answer with the googles I discover they t apparently they aren't even happy with external fertilization of a woman's egg with her band's sperm because "the dignity of life"? which I think is code for "because it's icky"

And also "because masturbation". The sperm must end up in the vagina or it's sinful.

/so youre saying, if i use her vag to jack me off till i cum...thats ok.

Yes, but only if you're open to reproducing. No condoms or pulling out!

Because of the hoopla surrounding that new movie about the Irish woman that was forced to give up her child because she was unwed, there has been a lot of talk about this sort of thing lately.

I know if I were a woman, and the church told me "We're sorry, you have to give up your child", for ANY reason, that would be a game breaker for me. "Well... I guess I'm not Catholic anymore. So long, Farkers!!"

scottydoesntknow:Weaver95: Well, it is their club house so they get to set the rules. Is it kinda bullshiat? Maybe. But thems the rules if your boss is a religious organization. Firing a pregnant woman isn't a very kind thing to do tho. It's rather mean spirited IMHO.

Yea, but she's a whore, and Jesus didn't hang out with no whores.

Wait, what? He did? Well shiat!

If you mean Mary Magdalene, then no, he didn't. Common misconception, though.

profplump:Which is a practice we should stop immediately. We'd never tolerate "we don't hire blacks because our boss preaches against blacks" -- why on earth do we tolerate it for this sort of thing?

I would be interested in recent case law involving such churches. I have seen a couple news stories about churches hostile to interracial couples--one refusing to let a couple get married in the church, one going ballistic about the organ player's marriage. So far as I can tell, that much is legal. But once you involve employment and salaries, it isn't so simple any more.

kpaxoid:Bit'O'Gristle: there was a story years ago about a couple that were in "good standing" whatever that means, i guess that means "good mindless sheep" with the church, and they had a little girl. Anyway, turns out the girl was allergic to whatever the wafer was made of (rice? wheat?) that you have to eat during communion. She could have a horrible reaction to it, and die. Anyway, they asked their priest if he could substitute something else, as it was just a symbol of "the body of christ" and not actually crists's flesh, that would be odd, and sick. Anyway, the priest sent this request all the way up the derp food chain, and the family was told, "NO, we cannot do this".

So, in essence, since she couldn't take communion, she was hell bound by the churches rules, even though she had done nothing wrong, and was only 5 or so years old. If i remember right, the Baptists took the family in after the family wised up and told the Catholic Church to stick it up their old tan tailpipe. You farkers can look up the story if you wish, was a long time ago, but that is what i remember of it.

The girl was 8 years old.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5762478/#.UvKDefvva8E

Not that it really matters, but the article you linked to is about an 8-year-old girl, but also mentions that essentially the same thing happened to a 5-year-old girl. It would seem you are both correct.

Magorn:To say nothing of the fact that a Religion which claims to be pro-life, and operates "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" designed to help

supportguilt women who chose to haveinto having a child when it is a financial hardship for them to do so, is being, at best counter-productive when they destroy the livelihood of a mother to be. and perhaps sending a message to other people in her situation that they should abort a baby before the pregnancy is known to avoid a similar fate

FTFY.Otherwise, I agree 100%. But is anyone surprised by hypocritical behavior from them?

JavaGuy:The Fifth Dentist: She should claim " immaculate conception " and make the church/school prove that to be impossible

The phrase "Immaculate Conception" has nothing to do with Mary's pregnancy.

Well, it has SOMETHING to do with it. But it has more to do with the notion Catholics apparently have that Mary was more than an ordinary woman, a notion with which I think most Protestants vehemently disagree.

ciberido:JavaGuy: The Fifth Dentist: She should claim " immaculate conception " and make the church/school prove that to be impossible

The phrase "Immaculate Conception" has nothing to do with Mary's pregnancy.

Well, it has SOMETHING to do with it. But it has more to do with the notion Catholics apparently have that Mary was more than an ordinary woman, a notion with which I think most Protestants vehemently disagree.

Having spent way to many years in Catholic schools, I know exactly what it means. The point I was making was that way to many uninformed people think that it is a term that refers directly to the pregnancy of Mary (that she was "magically" made pregnant without having sex.) Myself, I think aliens artificially inseminated her.

I gave serious consideration to applying for a teaching position at my local Catholic high school. (Times are tough, and my history degree isn't pulling in a ton of job offers.) I figured I'd apply and leave out the bit about being gay because nobody needs to know unless I say so.

But then again...I've also given serious thought to suicide in the past...