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I don't have a good a track record with Shaft's anime except for Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei and Madoka, the former because the art style already lends itself to Shafts shafting and the latter because Shinbo's artistic ego didn't get in the way.

Personally, Sword Art Online is probably the one that most stands out for me but I feel like there is a big split in people who like and hate that show.

Also well I didn't particularly "hate" this series, I think it ended up being a much worse series then it could have been, that being Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai! Its odd that I put this here when my Avatar is Dekomori, but the second half of that series just was done terribly in my opinion except for a couple of parts.

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Madoka and Nanoha... yeah the fandom.. *runs and hide

Even though I am personally a fan of Madoka, I can see why some people might hate it. It has some flaws and leans somewhat toward melodrama with a lot of talking and ideology in the later half so I can see where the hate can come from.

Even though I am personally a fan of Madoka, I can see why some people might hate it. It has some flaws and leans somewhat toward melodrama with a lot of talking and ideology in the later half so I can see where the hate can come from.

I don't mind the normal fans... it's the other fans I'm pointing too.... the very speculative, delusional ones who makes stuffs though it doesn't exist....

I personally want to watch the two series but the fandom and the fanarts makes me wants to halt and think more before I make a mistake... like Vivid did....

Dragon Ball Z. I know that it is a classic but I don't see what's so great about it.
Very overrated imo.

Even speaking as someone who actually does like DBZ... I haven't the foggiest idea how it became so popular and influentual. I mean, I can basically point to two factors for why I even like it at all:
1: It was one of the first Japanese series I ever got into, back at the very beginning of it when it was still a comedy-series, and
2: I read the manga first, in the collected volumes that came out once a month over here in Norway. (Granted, the translation for those was really sloppy, but I didn't notice that back then.

When it comes down to it, the manga had very little content per chapter, which of course made things rather difficult for the anime when they'd have to stretch out basically 12 pages of people exchanging punches into a 20 minute episode when the content really didn't lend itself to much more than five minutes at best... and how ever people managed to actually stay invested in the story when it was being given to them in such ridiculously small portions in the manga back when Toriyama was still writing it, I'll never understand. Heck, one of the things that contributed to me eventually giving up on Bleach (I mean, before it became completely apparent that Kubo was just making stuff up as he went along) was how for a good while, it would take me less than two minutes to read a single chapter. And having actually tried looking through the Dragon Ball manga, a lot of the chapters there are just as quick reads, if not even quicker... How exactly did Toriyama even manage to keep the interest of the children of Japan for over a decade?

Even speaking as someone who actually does like DBZ... I haven't the foggiest idea how it became so popular and influentual. I mean, I can basically point to two factors for why I even like it at all:
1: It was one of the first Japanese series I ever got into, back at the very beginning of it when it was still a comedy-series, and
2: I read the manga first, in the collected volumes that came out once a month over here in Norway. (Granted, the translation for those was really sloppy, but I didn't notice that back then.

When it comes down to it, the manga had very little content per chapter, which of course made things rather difficult for the anime when they'd have to stretch out basically 12 pages of people exchanging punches into a 20 minute episode when the content really didn't lend itself to much more than five minutes at best... and how ever people managed to actually stay invested in the story when it was being given to them in such ridiculously small portions in the manga back when Toriyama was still writing it, I'll never understand. Heck, one of the things that contributed to me eventually giving up on Bleach (I mean, before it became completely apparent that Kubo was just making stuff up as he went along) was how for a good while, it would take me less than two minutes to read a single chapter. And having actually tried looking through the Dragon Ball manga, a lot of the chapters there are just as quick reads, if not even quicker... How exactly did Toriyama even manage to keep the interest of the children of Japan for over a decade?

Ha, is that why it would take them 5 episodes to install a light bulb? I never read the manga.

I think that the general plot slowness and repetitiveness of DBZ, Pokemon, and Sailor Moon is a big part of the reason why these three shows went completely mainstream where I live in Canada. I know that's very counter-intuitive, but let me explain.

These three anime shows weren't exactly episodic (DBZ in particular wasn't), but they had that typical benefit of an episodic show in that you felt you could pick it up at any place without feeling lost.

As a high school friend of mine said back in the 90s, "The good thing about DBZ is that if you miss an episode or two of it, it's no big deal because you haven't missed much at all." (I know this sounds like an insult, but he meant it in terms of plot) This makes DBZ seem painfully slow for a committed fan of it, but it's actually a plus for more casual fans, making DBZ more accessible in some ways.

I don't think a show like DBZ would work in the modern, internet era though. It's pacing is as much a reflection of its time as it is of anything else.

Another thing with DBZ is that there will probably always be a market for big, burly guys getting into theatrical and BIG EXPLOSIONS! fights all the time.

I do love parodies of it though-it's such an easy show to make fun of.

It does a lot wrong, but I always thought of DBZ as intending to be a gratifying show to watch.

So Muv-Luv Alternative - Total Eclipse is drawing to a close on my end, and it can't end soon enough. Normally I do a great job of picking anime that I can enjoy watching, and for all my criticism I have to give I usually still find enjoyment in what I've seen.

I think Muv-Luv is terrible. There are two enormous reasons why I think this.

The first reason is how cliche it is. I made a list in the cliche topic, and it's about half of what's actually there. In 25 episodes Muv-Luv has not only a beach episode, but a camping/hotspring episode. It literally feels like they collected as many cliches for its associated genre, and whatever else they could fit in. I mean that wholeheartedly. It's not like Hot Fuzz either, where its cliches are there to be exploited for comedy. They're serious, and they're seriously bad. I'm absolutely trying to ignore them all, and to try and embrace the good in this series, but it's like the plot took a nosedive into a tar [cliche] pit.

Secondly, where the hell did the plot go? The beginning of the series is so, so promising. I really liked the first two episodes and how they introduced the overall story. I liked that they were going for a Blue Gender sort of story mixed with a bit of FMP and such. I liked that it had gore, and that it was militaristic and that they had all these dark themes. Did I mention beaches and camping trips/hotsprings? Yeah... The planet is being invaded by seemingly non-intelligent lifeforms called BETA that, and I kid you not, EAT HUMANS. The first two episodes show the BETA actually EATING HUMANS. So how did we get to beaches and hotsprings? After the first two episodes the writers decided: "You know what? Nobody cares about alien invasions." The alien invasion angle is merely a footnote as to why the male MC (who is also the death of this series, as the female MC in the first two episodes is far more interesting) is a test pilot. That's it. I don't think I have anything left to say here. All I see here is waste. I wont spoil the last few episodes, but it gets infinitely worse. Also episode 20 is a synopsis episode, you know, just in case you missed what happened in the last 17 episodes of main story.

I've seen it mentioned that people want another season of this. Apparently a lot of people liked it.

Angel Beats though I didn't personally hate it. More like I wasn't its target audience or something like that. First of all I don't like its theme, rebelling against God. Yes its true it wasn't made for devout Christians but even from Atheistic point of view, it still silly.