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\"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

It's a logical thing to assume, given the PR ads that have been run over the past several years.

Starting the process now, for the "no reinstatement" side, makes logical sense, given the time frame.

If Paul does not re-apply, that's fine. The ball will be easier to keep rolling if others attempt it.

\"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

Whether PV or any other specific individual from the group in question do or do not apply for reinstatement, it's a safe bet that one of them will consider it, particularly since, as has been reported by other posts, some of these folks are still engaged in equestrian-related businesses. So, we are saying, as clearly as possible, that they will not be welcomed by us, should they choose to do so. Any equestrian organization that feels inclined to have a short memory about their misdeeds is now on notice that reinstating any of these folks will produce a s$$$storm of bad press, petitions, e-mails, phone calls, etc.

I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

Killing a horse for the sole reason of defrauding an insurance company goes way past a "mistake".
He paid to get something killed. It's dead. Then he lied so he could get money for it being dead.

How does that define the highest standard of horsemanship and why is it in the best interest of the animal?

He's reformed???

What happens if he gets another horse for a client that disappoints?? Or finds himself short of cash??

Make no mistake, if he'd just have gone out and shot it, I wouldn't be signing that petition.
But the hiring a hit man, financing the elaborate execution scheme then defrauding the insurance company???

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Yes, Scout, that is the case. Someone heard a rumor he had applied, but no actually knowledge. However, since Nancy Banfield reapplied and was reinstated 'under the radar', so to speak, it's probably better that we get our ducks in a row regardless of the when.

Scout, I am sorry if I seemed to imply you didn't know how to navigate through an on-line community. Since you were surprised at my statement of how the whole thing started, and since you didn't know I had made a post asking if, in fact, we KNEW he had reapplied, I thought you might need a bit of help. My mistake!

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You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

I wonder what other training "techniques" were used on these horses before they were given up on and murdered.

\"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

Originally posted by findeight:
Killing a horse for the sole reason of defrauding an insurance company goes way past a "mistake".
He paid to get something killed. It's dead. Then he lied so he could get money for it being dead.

How does that define the highest standard of horsemanship and why is it in the best interest of the animal?

He's reformed???

What happens if he gets another horse for a client that disappoints?? Or finds himself short of cash??

Make no mistake, if he'd just have gone out and shot it, I wouldn't be signing that petition.
But the hiring a hit man, financing the elaborate execution scheme then defrauding the insurance company???

Past what should be allowed to publically represent my sport.

Also, he must have also "acted" remorseful in front of his clients and staff over the "colic death" of Roseau Platiere. It makes me sick just thinking about all the plotting that was involved......

I don't think I can forgive too easily and I'm NOT going to forget. If that makes me a founding member of the "Little People" clique so be it. It's something I can do for the memory of that poor horse.

My mistake I do apologize for not keeping better track of who said what on all the other threads.

Again, Midge I love how you patronize me.

I had thought this was a forum to discuss things whether we shared the same opinions or not without being patronized or attacked verbally at all turns. Maybe that was my mistake, amazing how people respond when there is the element of anonymity.

No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

I also would like to know more about what was done to these horses to keep them performing prior to making the decision to kill them for their insurance money. You would think people willing to kill would also be willing to mask an injury and sell a lame horse...for the money they were supposed to be worth....Hmmmm....My stomach hurts just thinking about what people do to horses for money..not just this instance but across the board.

Originally posted by scout33:
I had thought this was a forum to discuss things whether we shared the same opinions or not without being patronized or attacked verbally at all turns. Maybe that was my mistake, amazing how people respond when there is the element of anonymity.

Funny that, we could say the same thing about you? It appears you joined 2 days ago only to defend PV - who exactly are YOU?

Amazing how some people don't have a problem defending someone who lied, cheated and murdered a horse when there is an element of anonymity.

OK-Now you are really all going too far...You wonder what was making these horses perform prior to the incident? Are you accusing the name in question of a crime based on your limited knowledge? I am certain that throughout the very thorough process of investigation that ensued had there been any evidence of cruel training methods they most certainly would have surfaced.
As a boarder at AWF, I can say that the training methods I witnessed at another 'local show barn' were unlike anything I have witnessed at Pauls...
Is there any way to press charges for 'tack rails'? or depriving horses of food completely, because they are a bit 'too fresh'? perhaps chasing them around an indoor with a lunge whip, to the point of a possible career ending injury? Merely because said 'trainer' is afraid of getting on a frisky horse? Or a hard punch in the face of a horse that might nip?
But yet these 'trainers' are allowed to continue their cruel and unusual practices and refer to it as 'training...'?
I think it is fair to say that Pauls ability as a trainer is not in question, moreso his judgement.
Let's try to stay focused.

Funny that, we could say the same thing about you? It appears you joined 2 days ago only to defend PV - who exactly are YOU?

First I don't think it's any of your business who I am. But since you choose to attack me and my reasons for joining I will respond.

I had been a member on these forums previously but forgot all my information as I had my laptop stolen when my car was broken into. The authorities told me to create all new screen names passwords etc on anything that was on my computer since identity theft is a big issus. SO, no I did not just join to defend PV and how dare you question me and my intentions on this forum. I am doing what everyone else does on this forum, which is express an opinion which I, as are you are entitled to, regardless if we agree or disagree.

I also am an active member in the H/J community and have been for over 20 years. SO sorry I haven't been able to post over 3000 times like you have.

No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

anthem - I was referring to all of the horses killed and their trainers. And imo, it wasn't a stretch to wonder.

\"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E