To answer the queston raised by GMAN, arrival in Melbourne would have been April 29 at 815am or 930am. If the next stop were Hobart or Adelaide, then most likely arrival there would be May 1(same with anywhere else). With travel from Hobart or Adelaide or anywhere else, most likely arrival into Siam Reap - Angkor International Airport would be on May 3. the list of daily flight arrivals there is astounding(I would have guessed just from Bangkok and maybe Singapore before knowing this). For those unfamiliar with airline timetables, 1=Monday and 7 =Sunday:

Santiago Chile! I requested an exact date from the blogger --eta...and I am afraid that I will have little time to write all these stories out. I have a ticket back to the States on April 30th. I will be flying out of Santiago, Chile.

Sometimes people make foolish mistakes that have small consequences and other mistakes can be quite costly, I made one of the costly ones last week. I booked a ticket from Santiago to Oklahoma, the ticket was $450, all the other flights were around a thousand dollars, so of course I booked the cheaper flight, when I showed up to the airport in Santiago I went to check in and the flight was not on the board, and the counter did not upon for 8 hours, so I asked a service personal and she said that she had never heard of the flight number. So I went to the airlines office and then I found out that I had booked a flight from Santiago Dominican Republic and not Santiago Chile, ! And as a special bonus the several teams from the Amazing Race through the airport while I was there.

LAX MIA AA252 1355 2142 connecting in Miami with MIA GRU 2330 0830+1 (Note: second to arrive if on schedule)

LAX GRU UA843 1405 1005+1 with a stop in ORD from 2005 to 2132 (Note: third and last to arrive)

4/23This means that the tasks in Sao Paulo will have to take until after noon at the very least and that with a 12 hour pitstop it will be after midnight when teams are released.

4/24 There are numerous 2 1/4 hour nonstop flights from Sao Paulo to Salvador. However, choices are limited to the first 2 daily by virtue of the sighting of teams descending the exterior of the elevator just after 9am on 4/24. Those who were sighted could only be on this flight:

G3 1816 GRU SSA 0410 0625

Later teams could be on G31982 GRU SSA 0735 0950, but they will be quite a bit later to the elevator.

4/26We do not know where teams go next. It could be Fortaleza, Recife, Manaus, Brasilia, LaPaz, Santacruz, Asuncion or elsewhere.

4/28What we are sure of is that teams end up at Santiago Chile airport on this evening.

LAN801 2245 0355+2 SCL AKL

then either QF26 0615 0815 AKL MEL or NZ7 0740 0930 AKL MEL

4/30sightings of Amazing Race banners in downtown Melbourne in the afternoon

4/26We do not know where teams go next. It could be Fortaleza, Recife, Manaus, Brasilia, LaPaz, Santacruz, Asuncion or elsewhere.

4/28What we are sure of is that teams end up at Santiago Chile airport on this evening.

LAN801 2245 0355+2 SCL AKL

then either QF26 0615 0815 AKL MEL or NZ7 0740 0930 AKL MEL

4/30sightings of Amazing Race banners in downtown Melbourne in the afternoon

Yeah but the blogger in Santiago wrote that his ticket out of Santiago to Oklahoma was for April 30th but we are trying to get confirmation so to say the 28th how are you sure apskips? I'm not taking the Melbourne sighting as gospel.

I am sure of how long it takes to fly from Santiago to Auckland, of when LAN801 is scheudled to leave and when it is scheduled to arrive. All the rest is speculation based on the blog of the 4/30 afternoon sigthing in Melbourne. It does not have to be so. Having the leg be on the North Island of New Zealand is very possible. Now I am going to consult an Amazing Race fan who lives in Devonport(northern suburb of Auckland where the infamous girl on swing task of ARA1 episode 4 was), my very own sister. Maybe she can help.

I am sure of how long it takes to fly from Santiago to Auckland, of when LAN801 is scheudled to leave and when it is scheduled to arrive. All the rest is speculation based on the blog of the 4/30 afternoon sigthing in Melbourne. It does not have to be so. Having the leg be on the North Island of New Zealand is very possible. Now I am going to consult an Amazing Race fan who lives in Devonport(northern suburb of Auckland where the infamous girl on swing task of ARA1 episode 4 was), my very own sister. Maybe she can help.

Melbourne should be a no-starter since the teams were in Santiago, Chile on April 30. So they must have left the evening of April 30 and with the IDL they should arrive in NZ on May 2. And then we have them in Cambodia on May 3. So time lines are getting squeezed unless dates are wrong.

If teams left Santiago on April 30, they cannot arrive in Auckland until May 2. They have to be in Siem Reap that evening in order to be at Angkor Wat the following morning. There is no possibility of any leg in New Zealand or Australia.

*If* we assumed for the moment that there maybe was no leg in NZ or Australia, how does this leave the schedule as far as getting down to 6 teams (or maybe 7 if one was on a FF/way behind) after leaving Cambodia? Would there be a big enough gap in South America for an extra leg before the 30th?

*If* we assumed for the moment that there maybe was no leg in NZ or Australia, how does this leave the schedule as far as getting down to 6 teams (or maybe 7 if one was on a FF/way behind) after leaving Cambodia? Would there be a big enough gap in South America for an extra leg before the 30th?

We lost them for 6 days if we think that the tasks in Bahia de Salvador ended on the 25th of April give or take, I'm leaning towards them leaving Bahia on the 25th.

Thanks to Jason, Justin, GeorgiaPeach and Apskip we have narrowed it down to this!

Teams were spotted in Santiago on the night of Tuesday the 30th, and have to be in Siem Reap by the morning of Sunday the 4th (working backwards from the afternoon sighting on the Tonle Sap). Given the confirmation of the Santiago spoiler and a refutal of the Melbourne one, shifting the timeline to two days later, does that still leave enough time for a leg in the middle?

I found only one Pacific flight leaving on the night of the 30th from Santiago airport, and this is the same as in apskip's post for flights leaving on the 28th:

But in this scenario, they would be spending five days in the same city (and not a very big one at that). I draw the conclusion that...

3) Yes, there probably is one, but only one, intermediate leg between Santiago and Siem Reap.

Following the other lead: since there were six boats on the Tonle Sap and six teams were sighted on the flight to Bangkok, this probably means that:

4) The Pit Stop was probably a non-elimination. (But what happened to the African-Americans?)5) Teams are bunched on the first flight on Tuesday 6 May.6) They are released at night from the Pit Stop (not in time to catch the last flight at 2015), indicating an afternoon finish on the previous leg (ending Monday 5 May).

From Siem Reap to BangkokPG924: 0950 to 1030 (confirmed through Jason)

Connecting through Mumbai would get the teams in earliest 2215. Not top choice for the teams.

7) No matter what flights they end up on, teams will arrive in Delhi the afternoon/night of Tuesday 6 May, and will probably run most of the leg the next day.

The bottom line:Tue 22 April - Teams leave from LAX for Sao Paulo.Wed 23 April to Tue 29 April - Teams spend at least three legs in South America.Wed 30 April - Teams depart Santiago on the night of the 30th for Auckland, possibly onwards to Sydney.Thr 1 May - Disappears due to the Date Line.Fri 2 May to Sat 3 May - Teams participate in an unidentified leg.Sun 4 May - Teams, very possibly arriving in Cambodia the morning, head to the Tonle Sap.Mon 5 May - Teams run a Cambodia leg and have a Pit Stop in the afternoon, departing late at night.Tue 6 May - Teams spend the day travelling to Delhi, arriving in the late afternoon/night.

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According to the list above, are we sure that they are leaving South America from Santiago. Couldn't Santiago just be the departure city, as they could have flown to Lima or Buenos Aires before leaving South America. Los Angeles could be a long shot also, but it seems like that would take way too long.

No, Neobie, actually not too far-fetched but inefficient. Here are some diverse flight information that relates to the many questions before us:

1. How long from Auckland to Bangkok? Can it be done without stopping in Australia? 14 hours(starting from when the most efficient routing leaves Auckland, not when the connection coming in from Santiago would ideally be ready to support) and NO.

QF190 AKL SYD 1225 1450 QF 301 SYD BKK 1655 2315 Note that this gets in way too late to connect in to Siem Reap. a layover until morning is required.

If you combine this with the 4am arrival of LAN801 into AKL(13 hours flying time), you have an 8 hour layover, then the 14 hours here and the total is 35 hours.

2. What is another fast way of getting from South America to Bangkok?

That would be the Buenos Aires to CapeTown to Johannesburg to Kuala Lumpur routing:

EZE CPT 2020 0900CPT JNB 1015 1215JNB KUL 1340 0540KUL BKK 0750 0900

This takes 25 hours in transit. If you add in Santiago to Buenos Aires at the front end, then you add SCL EZE 1410 1705 and another 6 hours for a total of 31 hours.

Due to the layover needed in Auckland, the efficient connections of this route make it quicker than the trans-SouthPacific route.

3, What about a transNorthPacific route? This can be done from either EZE via JFK or SCL via DFW and on to Tokyo-Narita. The times are:

EZE JFK 2020 0605JFK NRT 1150 1430+1

SCL DFW 2115 0610DFW NRT 1225 1505+1

then either one goes NRT BKK 1850 2355

This is 40 hours from Buenos Aires or 39 hours from Santiago, neither one of which is remotely competitive. Scratch these as possibilities.

4. My Conclusions:If the goal were to get from Santiago to Bangkok in the quickest possible way, then they should have gone via South Africa. However, I think Bertram van Munster wanted to do something daring and unexpected, something that nobody would ever think he could do. The transSouthPacific route means that criterion perfectly and that's why I think it's what was actually done. I actually envisioned a leg in New Zealand or Australia. Who knows? It may have happened. If they went straight through to Bangkok, then I can say one thing with high probability. World Race Prodcutions will have scheduled in a REST DAY on either side of the Pacific so that teams are not totally burned out. It may have been in Santiago or just before it and it may also have been in Bangkok. I doubt that it was in Siem Reap where it is harder to get lost in a crowd.

Thanks for that info Redwings I was getting confused when only Bangkok kept getting mentioned. Many of those places listed have direct flights from either Aussie or NZ, so I guess most of them have been ruled out already simply cos they don't depart/arrive at the right time of day

I've looked at flights through Singapore, but the earliest they can get into Siem Reap is on Saturday late afternoon, almost a day behind the Bangkok flight.

But I think what we should look at is whether teams go directly from Santiago to Siem Reap, as opposed to having a leg in between. The latter is probably the case given the speed in which teams can actually get there; even if there were earlier flights through other cities, taking the Bangkok option would leave racers about two days idle before they're actually spotted in Cambodia.

It's a type of proving by disproving, I guess?

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