Yeah I hit "view pic" on your avatar and the avatar is bunched up. The skin texture looks somewhat suspect at first glance. Can't tell definitively from it though, so let's leave that. Pic of delt area would be better.

In any case, forget stats. I don't care about stats and I've argued this so many times before.Drugs give certain look. Platz had tiny ass arms. Columbu had smallish "natural size" arms. Zane weighed in at a "natural" bodyweight. Bodybuilding is the look mainly, not the stat on paper. Sometimes stats can definitively say someone is juicing as they are so outrageous but many good bodybuilders don't look that impressive on paper yet are juiced up all the same.

Look at the double bi of John posted earlier, I think he said from 1996. Even his face tells the story.

Yeah but you are forgetting the "fact" that John is a nice guy so therefore logic tells us he wouldn't lie. Forget about the "fact" that he has an androgen face and some suspect gyno.

This guy was all natural as well.....oh nevermind he had SHIT genetics!

Great pic. This is why size is not the only thing to look for when someone is on juice. Most would look at Ben in this pic and think he is natural, but we know he is not. Same with all the juiced up tennis players.

Great pic. This is why size is not the only thing to look for when someone is on juice. Most would look at Ben in this pic and think he is natural, but we know he is not. Same with all the juiced up tennis players.

There's a lot of really fkn great natty Bodybuilders out there. Where do you draw the line for what's acceptable to Be considered a natural physique? There's always someone with naturally better genetics who's showing up at these natty shows and pissing clean and passing lie detector tests. there's freaks out there...just look at some "prison yard" physiques that black inmates have. All about genetics!

There's also some really ugly fat f***'s out there on grams of gear who are just bad Bodybuilders. I train with a kid on occasion here at my gym whos on a gram of test and 600mg NPP a week and he still can't break past 16" (not shredded) arms. Point here is that based on Bodybuilders I've known personally, Johns physique and claims are believable. Theres some pics of some really great natties on this site (Krank, meso) who understand that some people are just gifted at building lean muscle without drugs. You can't lump everyone into a box and say "impossible without drugs!" The man is 185 lbs FFS

I'm just saying that the thickness of veins poping on pecks,shoulders and forearms...... are the result of anabolics in that particular picture.... I've been around long enough.

I have recently became aware of someone who claims to hold the title of "Mr. Natural Olympia" : John Hansen

Other than the fact that he goes to the movies with Erin singerman then reviewing them for RxHustle (where he advertises) I must confess I had never heard of him.

-Was there once upon a time such a thing as 'the' IFBB Mr. Natural Olympia- if so why isnt there one anymore?

- is this guy as natural as his hair?

- does he have a younger double

It's not an IFBB title. That contest is in another organization, the INBA.

Here's a clip of the current winner, Kiyoshi Moody (who has posted on GetBig before). According to the INBA website, he's held the title, since 2009 and is going for his 4th straight win on November 9th.

Here's a clip of the current winner, Kiyoshi Moody (who has posted on GetBig before). According to the INBA website, he's held the title, since 2009 and is going for his 4th straight win on November 9th.

It's not an IFBB title. That contest is in another organization, the INBA.

Here's a clip of the current winner, Kiyoshi Moody (who has posted on GetBig before). According to the INBA website, he's held the title, since 2009 and is going for his 4th straight win on November 9th.

John Hansen is natural. Why is it so hard to believe that with 30 years of dedication someone can attain an 185lbs stage ready physique. You guys will say that anyone who looks better than you is on juice.

John Hansen is natural. Why is it so hard to believe that with 30 years of dedication someone can attain an 185lbs stage ready physique. You guys will say that anyone who looks better than you is on juice.

I'm on juice. John Hansen is not.

How are you going to cater to your "gay schmoe fans" coming off the juice