The federal government fails to deal with the issue of a massive influx of illegal aliens, and then throws localities a bone in the form of the 287(g) Program which allows localities to do some of the work that the feds aren’t getting done. Just about the time localities start to discover just how well the Section 287(g) Program works, the feds then start crying that they don’t have the resources and start trying to make administrative changes and cut back on the program’s effectiveness. With so many government programs that clearly don’t work, it comes as little surprise that when one does, the government starts trying to limit the program.

That’s exactly the position that a number of Northern Virginia localities including Herndon, Manassas and Prince William County are in right now. These early adopters of the Section 287(g) Program obtained committments from the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to accept criminal aliens that commit a pretty comprehensive variety of crimes. As these programs have kicked off, ICE has been pretty surprised at the number of illegal aliens committing crimes in Northern Virginia despite their legendary efforts to control illegal immigration in Virginia. Their immediate response, rather than recognizing how effective local law enforcement is at back-filling their ranks, is to start limiting how many illegal aliens they’re willing to accept.

First to go are the committments to accept criminal aliens based on a list of crimes against persons and property that had been previously negotiated. This gave local law enforcement officials clarity about what ICE would do, and made the whole system run smoothly at the local jail. It also ensured consistent treatment for illegal aliens, which helps prevent civil rights lawsuits. If the crime was on the list, ICE would take them. By unilaterally dropping the list of crimes, ICE now gets to pick and choose who they think they want to deal with, and local law enforcement has no idea whether they’re going to end up holding someone on an immigration detainer or not. One week, an illegal alien caught for DWI gets a detainer, the next week ICE says they’re too busy, and that illegal alien who has committed the same crime gets treated differently than the one caught a week later.

Wednesday, Manassas, Prince William and Herndon officials get a chance to hear what the new rules are that they’re forced to accept. These rules are a result of Congress’ little war against programs that work, rather than bestow upon their favored friends taxpayer largesse or seek raw political advantage over their opponents. There are Congress Critters that want to gut ICE’s workplace enforcement actions, hamper ICE’s ability to do their job under the Section 287(g) Program, grant amnesty in some form for illegal aliens, and essentially hand our country over to foreign nationals. While we can, and should be pretty upset about what ICE is doing here, the real culprits are our federal elected officials that won’t dedicate the resources necessary for law enforcement agencies to do their jobs. It’s anarchy by appropriation, or in this case, lack thereof.

And this is what it gets us:

24 June, 2008

Office of State and Local Coordination
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
425 I Street NW
Washington DC 20536
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement

As you may be aware on May 7, 2008, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) representatives met with law enforcement personnel from the Herndon Police Department, Prince William County Police Department, Manassas City Police Department, Prince William County Adult Detention Center, and the Prince William County Sheriff’s Office. I would like to share with you a summary of this meeting.

The agenda items at the meeting included a discussion of the 287(g) Delegation of Authority program ICE’s request for statistical reporting of 287(g) arrests in each of the above jurisdictions and the establishment of an Executive Steering Committee within each law enforcement agency (LEA). The meeting ended with an open discussion focused on the joint immigration and customs enforcement efforts between ICE and LEAs in the Washington DC area.

At the meeting, it was emphasized that ICE’s mission is to protect America and uphold public safety. ICE fulfills this mission by identifying criminal activities and eliminating vulnerabilities that pose a threat to our Nation’s borders as well as our economic stability. Like many LEAs, ICE does have limited resources and ICE must prioritize all reports of illegal alien activity within the scope of ICE’s mission. ICE representatives emphasized that the 287(g) program was established to prioritize in the same manner by targeting serious criminal aliens and aliens of lesser offenses on a case-by-basis. ICE emphasized that removal proceedings would be initiated for illegal aliens processed under 287(g), but not all processed illegal aliens would be necessarily detained. The determining factor would be the available ICE resources.

ICE representatives also discussed ICE’s new initiative, Secure Communities, which could be considered in the future to address the needs of the communities in the Washington DC area. Essentially Secure Communities is a comprehensive plan to streamline how LEAs identify and remove criminal aliens. It is a multi-year initiative to more effectively identify detain and return removable criminal aliens incarcerated in federal state and local prisons and jails. ICE’s plan will use expanded integration technology and build upon the relationships with state and local LEAs to ensure that after they serve their time in custody criminal aliens are removed from the country instead of being released into our communities.

Chief Skinner, of the City of Manassas Police Department also discussed his department’s current Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) with ICE and referenced the list of A and B offenses as the parameters for determining which individuals should be targeted. It asked whether the MOA could be amended to clarify the parameters that ICE could handle. ICE proposes removing the referenced list of A and B offenses in the addendum section of the four task force MOAs and deferring to the arrest guidelines summarized in this letter.

Chief Deane, of the Prince William County Police Department (PWCPD) stated that his officers were currently verifying the immigration status of all those arrested. Previously officers only verified immigration status of those detained. Chief Deane also reported statistics from the immigration project implemented by PWCPD since its inception on March 3, 2008 (separate and apart from the PWCPD 287(g) program) that tracks immigration numbers. This revealed that of 189 illegal aliens encountered, 49 were arrested. Those who were not arrested and were determined not to have status were referred to ICE.

ICE discussed the need to capture and report consistent statistics. It was requested that the various local agencies begin using a template created by ICE. It was also requested that coordination with ICE occur prior to the release of any 287(g) statistics by the LEAs. ICE also discussed that it would work with each of the local departments to establish an Executive Steering Committee which is stipulated as a requirement in existing 287(g) MOAs. All present agreed that the committee should meet no more frequently than Quarterly.

I hope this letter provides an adequate overview of the meeting and also advises the Board of the following proposals that address your county’s MOAs:

1. ICE proposes removing the referenced list of A and B offenses in the addendum section of the four task force MOAs and deferring to the arrest guidelines summarized in this letter.

2. ICE proposes establishing an Executive Steering Committee for all departments that have an existing MOA in place.

3. ICE proposes to meet quarterly with the ESC.

I have also extended an invitation to meet with Chief Summers at his earliest convenience to provide him an ICE ACCESS overview and discuss the proposals mentioned above at a summit that can be scheduled at his earliest convenience.

Sincerely,
Jim Pendergraph
Executive Director
Office of State and Local Coordination

How nice. Lawbreaking illegal aliens that endanger the safety and security of illegal aliens will get set free. This outrageous inaction by Congress gutting of our law enforcement efforts brings to mind this part of the Declaration of Independence:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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These politicians don’t do a thing that is constitutional. It doesn’t make any sense what they do. I think it is time to take our government back. I mean why does it take so long to deport these illegals? Put them on a bus or train immediately and get them out of here. Why hasn’t the fourteenth amendment been changed? I have never heard a politician mention bringing that issue up. Instead we get government bailouts, paltry tax cuts and lame political campaigns that are aimed at the American Idol watchers. I fear for our country and we should throw every last one of the idiot power hungry morons in D.C. out.

Got to rant now: Most of the traffic is on roads that already have the limit set at 55. What’s the point of lowering rural limits that have the least volume of traffic? Average speed on the Beltway is already 70-80mph w/the limit at 55.

Instead of proposing more meetings, steering committees, and summits, pick up the damned illegals when the local gov’ts call and get them the hell out! Isn’t that easier and cheaper?

We had the money to give stimulus checks to everyone. We had the money to bail out the housing situation. Wheres the money for the deportation effort?
Another thing Ramos and Compean are still in solitary confinement, its a travesty our government allows this.

Instead of trying to throttle the number of aliens ICE can handle, ICE should be streamlining its processing capabilities. In the Postville raid they used an expedited procedure to process the illegal aliens. ICE should implement that for the NOVA jurisdictions with 287G agreements. I personally know one person who is facing deportation(to England) who has been waiting for a hearing before an immigration judge for over a year.

ICE says it cannot handle the Load. Herndon has issued 74 detainers under its 287G MOA in 14 months. I find it hard to believe this is a burden to ICE. They will not even tell the Herndon Police Department the disposition of those 74 individuals. I guess ICE does not want to be embarrassed by its dismal enforcement efforts. I have not seen the details regarding statistical reporting of 287(g) arrests proposed in the letter, but I suspect that the public will not have access to any meaningful data.

Local jurisdictions entered into these agreements with the understanding that ICE would process criminal aliens who commit serious crime as defined in the MOA. They should at least honor that commitment to these communities. If these MOA’s were covered by contract law, ICE would be sued for breach of contract.

If ICE were actually interested in doing their job they would authorize Day Labor Sites to be screened for illegal aliens. Cleaning up Day Labor Sites would do more for communities than any other action ICE could take. They would only take one or two sweeps in any given area the Day Labor issue would be solved with complete approval of the communities involved.

sahdman said on 29 Jul 2008 at 8:20 am:
We had the money to give stimulus checks to everyone. We had the money to bail out the housing situation. Wheres the money for the deportation effort?
Another thing Ramos and Compean are still in solitary confinement, its a travesty our government allows this.

According to the WT, Ramos and Compean have lost their appeal and will remain in prison. The appealate court upheld their conviction.

Where’s the Wolfman when you need him? Racking up frequent flyer miles to China? Darfur? Sierra Leone? Keeping tabs on another country’s dissidents while his district becomes a third world slum? Where’s the outrage Frank?

And this from Nashville this morning: Manuel Garcia Delgado, a poster child for the 287(g) program–among charges already on his rap sheet: gun possession, burglary, several drug-related crimes, and as an illegal immigrant, he has been deported five times already.http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=61703

This government is not of the people, by the people, for the people! it is for corrupt/pandering politicians and the special interest. It is getting past time for The People to take back their country from the Politicians and special interest by whatever means required!

I think that many of McCain’s positions that are credited with principles are in fact positions of very limited intelligence! The man does not know anything about the Economy, where Iraq, Iran, Pakistan or Afghanistan are in relation to each other, the different between the Shiites and Sunnis or much else. What is Amazing is how anyone can be an Senator for so many years and know so little about so much!

McCain is too Stupid to be an Senator, too Stupid to be President and too Treasonous to be an American!

McCain’s Hispanic Outreach person Juan Hernandez was a Cabinet member in Mexico’s Vicente Fox’s government and VP of the racist hate organization La Raza & is openly for reconquest of the American Southwest!.

Some of his comments.

“I never knew the border as a limitation; I’d be delighted if all of us could come and go between these two marvelous countries.”

“We have recognized that the Mexican population is 100 million in Mexico and 23 million who live in the United States…We are a united nation.”

Mexican immigrants “are going to keep one foot in Mexico and are not going to assimilate.”

“We are betting that the Mexican population in the United States …will think Mexico first.”

Obviously McCain agrees with his adviser or he would get another adviser, so it appears McCain is an American traitor like Benedict Arnold and should be attested, tried for treason give a fast but fair trial then an public execution!

Obama the Great One ————————————————————————————————

Action talks, Bull Sh-t walks! Barrack sit at the feet of his friend and Mentor for 20 years, supported him with his money, his family, subjected his children to his hate filled rants and listened to hate whites, hate Jews, hate American, hate everyone with the exception of Blacks and Muslims!

All the pundits, talking heads, Liberal arguments and warm tingling feeling in their lower half or Speeches wrote by speech writers and read by Obama cannot change the facts.

Barrack Obama & his wife are American hating, Black Power Racist!

Now he says it was repugnant to him and he does not endorse it or agree! It is 20 years too late for anyone with an brain to accept. Either Barrack is lying or he has an serious mental problem! No one in their right mind would sit in an church like that for 20 years and support it every way possible unless they agreed or they were crazy!

Just imagine, if an White Republican politician had sit at the feet of his Friend and Mentor in an Baptist Church for 20 years and listened to him preach, rant and spew out racist hate rants against everyone and everything except Whites and Baptists.

Oh the Outrage, the Moral Condemnation, The Media, Blacks leaders & Rev’s of every cracker jack box, Liberal and Democrats, Republican politicians, in fact every one in the known and unknown universe would be calling for his head, anyone that spoke in his defense would immediately be tarred with the same brush, no punishment would be enough, just resigning from office would not be enough, the poor follow would have to flee the country with his family and the church and all its members, disbanded and scattered to the four winds.

What does Barrack have to do? Why just make an nice little speech blaming it all on his little old white grandmother just throw her under the bus of his ambition and if that is not enough, just whites in general!

But Wait, that is for the Rev. Wright and his hate rants, Not why Obama the Great one, the Second coming of the Ego, sit in the church for 20 years and listened to his Friend and Mentor spew out hate Rants that He, The Great One, The Supreme Ego found repugnant and disgusting and all is right in Obama land!

If nothing else this campaign has Exposed the racism of Blacks and the total Blinding, Unbelievable Hypocrisy, the like of any Balance or Morals the Liberals, Media and Politicians in general have! They have been exposed as Lying, Deceitful Hypocrites!

Never again, will most Americans credit them with intelligence or compassion that is deeper and purer that us poor lesser ones, because with our limited intelligences we just cannot comprehend & have to listen to the wise compassion Media and intelligence Liberals point out the errors of our ways and thinking!

Why are focusing so intently on deporting illegal aliens when we know it is a dauntless if not impossible task?

We should instead be focusing on exposing and punishing employers who hire illegal aliens rather than dismiss charges in lieu of “assisting with the investigation,” or expunging their record after criminal charges are filed.

Obviously no one has yet been able to prove that the majority of employers KNOW they are hiring illegals, do not use E-Verify, and/or do not acknowledge “no match” letters. Maybe this is the link in the chain that needs to be weakened.

If a dozen or so employers are hung out to dry in each state, it will have a much greater impact than deport 1,000 illegal aliens.

Now might be a good time to put some heat to the feet of Supervisors and Council members, and the bean counters, to provide a more detailed accounting of where our tax dollars are being spent.

I’m thoroughly convinced that Fairfax County’s stand to not weed out and deny benefits and services to illegal aliens has nothing to do with it being the Government’s job and everything to do with keeping taxpayers in the dark as to the millions of dollars funneled into programs to subsidize illegals while cutting services and benefits to legal residents.

The majority of illegal alien criminals prey on their own. If the jobs and benefits and services are gone, the illegal “workers” will leave and the gangs that prey on them will follow.

Maybe it’s time to focus on weakening the link in the chain that will destroy the lure that is the crux on illegal immigration in our country today - the Employer.

The businesses employing the Illegal Aliens are in effect enjoying nearly slave labor while pocketing the profits and passing on the actual cost to American tax payers of not only his employees but all of their family members residing with them.

The cost for their Medical, Schooling and Welfare makes them the most expensive manual labor in the world. Now we have both Presidential candidates pandering for the Latino vote and promising Amnesty which will compound the problems allowing them to access even more social benefits!

The cost for their Medical, Schooling and Welfare makes them the most expensive manual labor in the world. Now we have both Presidential candidates pandering for the Latino vote and promising Amnesty which will compound the problems allowing them to access even more social benefits!

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Presidents are mere figureheads if the “marriage” to Congress is not a happy one. When you weigh both sides, Congress will always have more weight to throw around and with the right Congress threats of veto are hollow.

We need a Congress that, at the very least, holds at bay the “immigration reform” Obama or McCain are hoping to make part of their legacy.

For the first time in my life, I will be exercising my right to write in my choice for President.

Black Saint/10:12, I couldn’t agree with you more on the rant about Obama
and his “Ugly assed wife who hates whites, etc.” and I’m still wondering
how he has been able to brain-wash so many people. What’s s wrong
with these people??? Why aren’t they able to see what he really is??
I just read a very disturbing letter from an active duty officer in Iraq which
provides a very telling break down of Obama’s visit to the area. It was
purely political, believe me. He ignored and snubbed soldiers when there
were no cameras present. Disgusting.
Yesterday, I saw this bumper sticker: ‘THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
OBAMA AND OSAMA IS B S” I think it speaks volumns!!

I certainly agree with you that curtailing jobs would go a long way to stop the flood of illegal aliens invading the United States. I would like to see E-Verify mandated for all employers in the country. That would require Congress to mandate it, which given the situation in congress is not likely. Right now E-verify is set to expire in November and there is a major fight underway to terminate the program.

The ICE 287g program is the only program local jurisdictions can use to get the worst offenders prosecuted and deported. It is just another tool, but it does not require additional congressional action. HARRISONBURG is reporting its success with 287g this morning also.

The pro-amnesty, open borders majority in congress see 287 (g) as too close to mass deportation, which to them is tountamount to a crime against humanity. They just won’t stand for it, and so everything related to enforcement is slowly but surely being gutted: E-Verify, Save Act, 287 (g), etc.

We are being hosed, and to make it worse, in less than 6 months we are going to have a pro-amnesty President and even more pro-amnesty Dems in the congress. We may be winning local battles such as in PWC, but the Federal Governement intends to see that we lose the war in the end. It makes zero sense, but that is where this is heading.

The question is, how far are we willing to go to Save America from our own leaders?

Add the border fence to the list above of things getting tabled, and also the fact that the federal govt does nothing to punish self-declared “Sanctuary Cities” like San Francisco.

Big picture does not look good. Unless we can do something radical, like work with Numbers and FAIR to organize a massive rally of thousands in DC, I fear that a massive amnesty awaits us within 2 years. Local level enforcement will be stripped of federal support. Time is running out.

The most recent surge in the invasion did not start with job offers, it started with the announcement by King George of another amnesty after his talks with Fox and the big push for the North American Union.

When taken into account the bleed on tax payers, you and me, it would not take long to offset the cost of capture and deportation against the savings in reduced abuse and spending on programs structured for their benefit. Add to that the loss every time a hospital goes under or a small town social services agency runs out of funds. Funds collected from taxpaying Americans for the benefit of taxpaying Americans.

California alone has lost over 80 hospitals in the last 10 years. When will it end? At the current rate, never.

The belief that all this would end as soon as the invaders are “given” citizenship is crazy. Will people suddenly start paying their bills, stop stealing identities or find a new, higher paying job?

After years of our government failing to do the bidding of the American people, amassing more power in Washington for their own purpose and ignoring the Constitution, the American people find themselves with few choices.

Accept the will of the elite and continue down the path of self destruction, or make it clear that the American people are willing to do whatever is needed to take their country back.

Don’t forget to call Rep. Wolf and Davis to vote AGAINST the hold placed on the e-Verify reauthorization scheduled to be voted in the House this week. I just called Wolf’s office at (202) 225-5136.

From NumbersUSA:
House Action

House Democratic Leadership is leaning toward re-authorizing it for only three years instead of ten so pro-illegal-immigration forces will have a chance sooner to kill or weaken it (in hopes that the American people aren’t paying as much attention then). The leadership is also looking at several tricky funding rules to attach that would weaken the E-Verify program and perhaps make it easier to kill it next year through back-door, non-public actions.

Yesterday, CongressDaily described the funding threat this way:

The main point of contention in the negotiations, according to sources, is language that would prevent the SSA from using its funding to support the program. Homeland Security is responsible for covering the costs of the program, but sources said Social Security sometimes has to use some of its funding. The agency in turn has sought reimbursement from the Homeland Security Department. But if language is written into the reauthorization bill that prohibits Social Security from using its funding to support the program, it could cause the program to shut down in the future, sources said.

The fact is that the pro-illegal-immigration Congressmen and lobbies are scared to death that an E-Verify movement is going to sweep the country and create a de-facto mandatory verification system that will ruin plans for amnesties and for importing millions more foreign workers to keep wages, working conditions and benefits as low as possible. Nearly every institutional force in Washington D.C. wants E-Verify gutted.

Ronald Reagan signed the 1986 Amnesty engineered by the socialist, drunk and killer Ed Kennedy. Thereby, increasing the welfare and crime rate more than any single bill ever passed, (with the possible exception of probation on crime) while encouraged millions of uneducated peons & criminals to pour across our borders until now we have suffered the largest invasion in the history of the world.

The 20 to 40 millions of uneducated illegal aliens currently residing in the USA is turning the USA into the largest Socialist Nation in the world. Each person with less than a high school education, Legal or Illegal is an net drain of 20k per year on the backs of American tax payers.

The businesses employing the Illegal Aliens are in effect enjoying nearly slave labor while pocketing the profits and passing on the actual cost to American tax payers of not only his employees but all of their family members residing with them.

The cost for their Medical, Schooling and Welfare makes them the most expensive manual labor in the world. Now we have both Presidential candidates pandering for the Latino vote and promising Amnesty which will compound the problems allowing them to access even more social benefits!

The globalist, multiculturalism, open border advocates, liberals & businesses profiting from Illegal Aliens argument that they the Illegal Aliens pay tons of taxes, sure they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books approximately 35 % using stolen Social Security numbers or other fraudulent documents pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they’re mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working. In fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! Of course, the remaining 65% of the Illegal Aliens working off the books typically work for cash and pay nothing except real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states).

Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation has done the systematic accounting on all this. A typical household headed by a low-skilled illegal alien is a net drain of about $20k/year for the rest of us, year after year. (Low-skilled Americans are a similar burden, but they’re part of the national family, not gate crashers from other societies.)

The Latinos that make up the largest group of the Illegal Aliens population has the largest school drop out rate of any ethnic group in the USA, second highest illegitimate birth rate, second highest crime rate, highest birth rate and recent studies confirm they start dropping out of school, using drugs, having illegitimate kids, joining gangs at an earlier age then any ethnic group in the USA. This behavior continues even after citizenship and down through each generation. This culture characteristic explains why Mexico and Latin American, while having more natural resources and moderate climate than most First World Nations are still mired in an Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty and Misery!

Amnestying them & with chain immigration for their relatives and their relatives in an never ending chain will add 100,s of millions, a vast underclass of uneducated citizens that will make it impossible to continue the social network for American tax payers. When that occurs you will see riots, fires and pillage from coast to coast that will make the recent rioting in French by Muslim immigrants look like an cook out!

Mexico’s total economic policy is to send their Uneducated peons and Criminals to the US for Tax payers to support and be the Victims, Businesses to Exploit and Corrupt Politicians to Pander and Cuddle! While Mexico has one of the most punitive and strictly enforced immigration policies in the world!

A recent study by the International Monetary fund confirms that remittance is not only is bad for the remittance country but for the country receiving the money. It allows the home country (normally third world nations) to keep from addressing the problems and improving their citizens standard of living and continue the same policies and keeping in power the corrupt government without facing an revolution and demands from citizens for improvements. So, our open borders and amnesty for the invading horde of illegal aliens is not only bad policy for this Nation but perpetrates the poverty and misery in the home countries.

We are now seeing that the Illegal Aliens can not only impact this Nation but the global economy as well. Many of the Sub-Prime loans & defaults were to Illegal Aliens that started the unraveling of the Global Economy! Just like our Declining standard of living, Bankrupt Hospitals, Failing Schools, Welfare costs, Identity fraud, Welfare fraud, Voter fraud, Gangs, Crime, Crowded prisons, Destroyed communities, Exploding population, Congested roads, Pollution, Insurance costs, Balance of payments, (Imported oil etc. to support the illegal alien population) Trashed Constitution and the Rule of Law, they have spread their negative impact across the world.

It looks like with American heading into a very bad recession or more likely an depression, The 100,s of billions the Illegal Aliens are costing American tax payers for free medical, schooling, welfare etc. needs to be spend on American citizens, not invading criminals from third world counties, plus the 40 to 50 billions remittance by Illegal aliens needs to stay in the country to simulate this economy and force Mexico to address their problems!

Last but not least, all Nations immigration policies are by design & intent suppose to enhance the Nation and its Citizens that immigrated legally, obeyed the laws, paid the taxes, fought the wars and built the nation! Clearly for the reasons numerated above Amnesty for the invading horde of uneducated peons and criminals does not meet this criteria.

They certainly must not be used to further the political careers and lust for power of Corrupt/Pandering Politicians like Obama & McCain!

MdMan said on 29 Jul 2008 at 12:17 pm: We are being hosed, and to make it worse, in less than 6 months we are going to have a pro-amnesty President and even more pro-amnesty Dems in the congress.

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That will only happen if the voters allow it to. Many voters who feel frustrated and betrayed will stay home, buying into the line that it’s going to happen with or without their votes. These are the people we need to bring together and get to the polls.

We don’t need torches and pitchforks, we need VOTES. The more the better.

Glad you agreed about my Obama rant …Sorry you did not agree about my McCain rant…You must be an Republican. I hope you are not putting Party over issues and common sense if Americans do not start voting based on their brain instead of by party labels or lies there will not be American for our kids and grand kids. The fact is both Parties are corrupt as heck and put their self’s first, the party second and the special interest third and American Citizens and the future of this Nation is way down the priority list and way below the Illegal Aliens for most politicians & for sure on way below on Juan McAmnesty list!

Black Saint, no siree I am not a Republican! I do indeed agree with your
Juan McAmnesty rant; however, IMO he is the better of the two choices.
If we just “write in” someone of our choice, it will be a waste. The
press decided a long time ago who our next president will be….Obama.
It will be the first time an American president has been elected based
solely on the color of his skin. Why else would people vote for him? For his long years of experience? His brilliant military service to this country? For his ability to deliver a speech someone else has prepared for him? I suppose some would vote for him simply because he can “chuck and jive” ! I do believe that we stand a much better chance for survival if McCain gets into the
the White House. Can you imagine Obama with Richardson as his VP??
Like it or not, the time will come when those of us who are sick and tired
of the invasion by illegals will take matters into our own hands and clear
them out by whatever force necessary. You can only push people so far,
then they begin to push back.
I recall the threat of Al Sharpton….that if Obama is not elected, there will
be blood in the streets of America. I say to him…”Bring it on!!”

Marcie - AMEN! I agree whole heartedly with everything you posted.
FYI: This morning FOX news was reporting that they believe Obama will select Kaine as VP. This afternoon - there is no trace of the story.

Folks, with the economic armageddon upon us within months none of this will matter soon. This country is done, finito, over. Anyone with any financial sense knows that it is coming and is already preparing for it. 6 months from now illegal aliens will be the least of our concerns.

Absolutely correct! That is how Eishenhower interrupted the flow of approximately 3 million illegals in the later 50s - go after the employers. When there are no yobs, Jose and Miguel go back hhomme.
We are NOT Mexico and Obama thinks we should learn another language and McCain can’t wait for the anchor babies to vote and make citizens of the rest of the brood.
Taking back our country is a nice thought but the powerful have the media and money.

Now tell me one more time, how did the old USSR fail in just 3 days without a shot being fired, no one hung and it was bloodless? And who was the person who first hit the Berlin Wall and about 6 or 8 hours later, the first section fell? And what was it, a week or less and East Germany just upped and evaporated. They had the money, the press, the guns, the bombs and secudy, Feinstein, Boxer and Reid, ain’t it. Bush, Durbin and Warner, Colgan and Potts, ain’t itrity forces. It didn’t help them in the end.

Who has the magic? Who is the person, probably anonymous, who will lead the parade back to the Constitution, Common Sense and American Values? Obama and McCain ain’t it. Pelosi, Kennedy, Feinstein, Boxer and Reid, ain’t it. Bush, Durbin and Warner, Colgan and Potts, ain’t it.

The Town of Herndon held a closed doer session to discuss their MOA agreement with ICE. I just received an email from Councilman Husch. He says that the current MOA will continue as is without the new modifications proposed by ICE

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

‘A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.’

‘A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.’

‘From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.’

‘The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years’. ‘During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage’

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Professor Olson adds: ‘In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.
Gore’s territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the (complacency and apathy) phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the (governmental dependency)phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

That will only happen if the voters allow it to. Many voters who feel frustrated and betrayed will stay home, buying into the line that it’s going to happen with or without their votes. These are the people we need to bring together and get to the polls.

We don’t need torches and pitchforks, we need VOTES. The more the better.

Both Presidential candidates espouse amnesty for the 12-20 million illegals now in the country. Voting for either Obama or McCain will not change a thing other than amnesty is guaranteed.

In another 20 years if this country survives, you may expect to see another amnesty for upwards of 50 million more illegals.

That is fun that they are doing this. I was west bound on 66 this morning going home when just before exit 31 there was a white cargo van (we all know these) overturned in the ditch before the exit. They had an Hispanic male in handcuffs. My guess is that he was drunk. I see these vans heading west every morning and I see at least one a day swerving in and out of lanes like a drunk driver. I have almost been hit several times.

Regarding “apathy”, the anti-illegal immigration crowd refuses to recognize that Americans have other issues on their minds besides this one, and that is the reason their candidates like Tancredo and Hunter lost elections in the recent past, and will continue to lose in the foreseeable future.

DPortM
Thanks for your post regarding How Long Do We Have. There is something terribly wrong about being able to vote in tax increases for the OTHER taxpayers to bear. The warning makes perfect sense to me.

I’m not sure there’s a lot of difference between complacency and apathy, but if we’re not already in step 7, I fear that we’re getting very, very close.

Just think: Congress “knows what’s best for us” and does what it wants…how many times have you been asked your opinion on ANY issue, much less the biggies like amnesty for illegal aliens and funding for ICE? Also, we’re faced with a Presidential race when the greatest difference between the two is experience, their religion, and their past associates, but many don’t even care about those things.

I think that many of McCain’s positions that are credited with principles are in fact positions that came about because of his very limited intelligence! The man does not know anything about the Economy, where Iraq, Iran, Pakistan or Afghanistan are in relation to each other, the different between the Shiites and Sunnis or anything else. What is Amazing is how anyone can be an Senator for so many years and know so little, about so much!

McCain is too Stupid to be an Senator, too Stupid to be President and too Treasonous to be an American! My Friends.

McCain’s Hispanic Outreach person Juan Hernandez was a Cabinet member in Mexico’s Vicente Fox’s government and VP of the racist hate organization La Raza & is openly for Reconquest of the American Southwest!.

Some of his comments.

“We have recognized that the Mexican population is 100 million in Mexico and 23 million who live in the United States…We are a united nation.”

Mexican immigrants “are going to keep one foot in Mexico and are not going to assimilate.”

Mexico’s total economic policy is to send their Criminals and Uneducated peons to the US for Tax payers to support as they cost tax payers Billion for Medical & suck at the trough of public Welfare while Killing, Robbing and Raping Americans citizens by the 10,s of thousands, for Businesses to Exploit and Profits from, and Corrupt/Worthless Politicians to Pander and Cuddle for Latino votes, while ignoring our Constitution against Invasion, the Rule of Law & their Oath of Office!

Apparently McCain agrees with his adviser about the Reconquest of the Southwest and the Colonization of American by the invading horde, or he would get another adviser! McCain is an ex-hero and now American traitor like Benedict Arnold and should be attested, tried for treason, gave a fast but fair trial then an public execution on National TV!

Barrack Great One————————————————————————————–

As everyone but politicians & the Media knows, Action talks, Bull Sh-t walks! Barrack sit at the feet of his friend and Mentor for 20 years, supported him with his money, his family, subjected his children to his hate filled rants and listened to hate whites, Jews, American, hate everyone with the exception of Blacks and Muslims!

All the pundits, talking heads, Liberal arguments and warm tingling feeling below their waist or speeches wrote by speech writers and read by Barrack cannot change the facts.

Barrack & his wife are American hating, Black Power Racist proven by 20 years of attendance & support in the Church of Hate and backed up by Barracks words in Dreams of my Father!

Now, he says it was repugnant to him and he does not endorse it or agree! It is 20 years too late for anyone with an brain to accept. Either Barrack is lying or he has an serious mental problem! No one in their right mind would sit in an church of Hate like that for 20 years and support it every way possible, unless they agreed with the message or they were crazy!

Just imagine, if an White Republican politician had sit at the feet of his Friend and Mentor in an Baptist Church for 20 years and listened to him preach, rant and spew out racist hate bile against everyone and everything except Whites and Baptists.

Oh, The Outrage, the Moral Condemnation, The Media, Blacks leaders & all the Black Rev’s crawling out of every cracker jack box, the Liberals and Democrats would be squealing like pigs caught under the gate! The squealing would be heard around the world and seriously threaten the collective hearing of the Nation! Republican politicians chiming in loudly to prove how politically correct they are.

Every one of the known and unknown in the universe would be calling for his head, no punishment would be enough, resigning from office would not be enough, the poor follow would have to change his name, travel incognito, flee the country! The IRS and FBI would be investing the church, the church closed and all its members disbanded and scattered to the four winds!

What does Barrack, the Magnificent (May Peace be upon Him) have to do? Why just make an nice little speech blaming it all on his little old white grandmother, just throw her under the bus of his racist prejudice and if that is not enough, just whites in general!

But Wait, that speech was for the Rev. Wright and his hate rants, Not why Barrack the Chosen one, the scion of the goat lover, the deserted son of the typical black father, the one that has came to lead American and the world to the promise land. Barrack the deaf one sit in the church for 20 years and listened to his Friend and Mentor spew out hate Rants. That He, the Super Ego, found repugnant and disgusting but with just one little speech and never answer why the Magnificent One has so much hate or poor judgment and all is right and forgiven in Barrack land!

If nothing else this campaign has Exposed the racism of Blacks and the total Blinding, Unbelievable Hypocrisy, the like of any Balance or Morals that the Liberals, Democrats, and Media have! They have been exposed as Lying, Deceitful, Racist Hypocrites, Unable or Unwilling to face or to tell the truth!