Western systems use people. Indoctrinates people to consider themselves as ‘belonging’ to a community/country/class/ideology group, then to work as pawn for the group, dangling carrots in front, and using stick behind.

Christianity make people consider themselves as ‘christian’, who are reserved a place in ‘heaven’ alongside ‘god’ for working for the church, else a place in hell

Islam indoctrinates people to consider themselves as belonging to ‘ummah’, who are, again, reserved a place in heaven if working for ummah, else they will get hell

Communism makes people swallow the line that they belong to a ‘working class’, who have a special place in the ‘egalitarian state’ that is to come in future, for which they should carry out the dictates of the politburo, else they will be considered class enemy and killed

Capitalism indoctrinates people to consider themselves as belonging to ‘modern society’ where consuming and devising ways to consume Nature and other beings is essential nature and the path to self-actualisation, so people should engage in capturing and developing new markets for exploitation by the capitalists, else will be termed ‘primitive’, ‘anti-modern’, ‘fundamentalist’ and displaced, destroyed.

Words like ‘love’, ‘peace’, ‘equality’, ‘freedom’, ‘development’, ‘democracy’, are used to deceive people, to cloak the selfish endeavours of aggrandizers as they use people.

Democracy

In the last Lok Sabha elections in India, voter turnout was 60%. The UPA got 37% votes polled. That means, 22% of eligible voters in India voted for UPA. Which means, 78% of eligible voters in India did not choose the current govt. Yet ‘democracy’ is touted as representing aspirations of majority.

Out of the 22% indians that voted for UPA, half of it comprise of their permanent vote banks among muslims and christians, and of the remaining half, a major chunk comprise of people who have been bribed- through pre-election soaps like pay hike, free televisions, loan waivers, NREGA scheme and giving cash directly.

The system fools people into considering that they elect representatives to administer their country. Reality is that people are given choice between candidates fielded by different parties that serve themselves and those who provide them funds. By dividing society these parties have developed their vote-banks that are sufficient to prevent any independent from upsetting the cart. If somebody emerges like that, that person is immediately bought over by the power brokers into one of the alliances or decimated. The ‘elected representatives’ then further divide society through harmful policies while developing their vote-banks, misappropriate taxpayer’s money for personal benefit as well as to indirectly fund election campaigns by way of schemes that are actually thinly disguised soaps to bribe voters. Society is made supine and indolent, prevented from realizing or prosecuting these power structures by indoctrination and propaganda through media and academe.

The current ‘democratic system’ is off the people, buy the people and fraud the people.

In sharp contrast, the system that existed in the past in India, that of panchayats, were true representative of people, it comprised of the local people, was answerable to local people in transparent manner, decision making was transparent. Truly, of the people, by the people, for the people.

Dividing people

Dividing people is the way by which western systems sustain their influence in society. Dividing people into minority/majority, modern/primitive, right wing/ left wing, moderate/extremist, religious/rationalist/agnostic/atheist, muslim/kaffir, christian/heathen, liberal/fundamentalist, communist/bourgeoisie, lower-caste/upper-caste, SC/ST/OBC/MBC/Dalit/General/Other, us/them. Thereafter generate antipathy, prejudice in minds of people against ‘the other’ and use people as tools to subversively further the selfish interest of aggrandizers. The fear, suspicion created in minds fixate people on labels and prevent them from understanding themselves, life and ‘the others’, and renders them susceptible to manipulation by others and turn manipulative themselves.

Deceit

Fooling people is the perennial characteristic of all western systems.

Every victory made by the western systems were bought. Each one was achieved by bribing an insider to turncoat. Betrayal is the foundation upon which western systems are built upon.

Prominent example is the way Romans bribed Judas to betray Jesus.
Later the growing christian community was infiltrated by Romans, who then established Catholic Church with a clergy as intermediary between Jesus’s teachings and laity, that deprived access to Bible by lay people, turning them into sheep- with clergy as shepherd, who were then inculcated with herd mentality and used to expand the influence of Roman Empire. Indigenous groups that resisted Roman aggression were called infidel/heathens and massacred without conscience, millions were burned at stake.

This characteristic of infiltrating opposing camps and buying turncoats using incentives was on display in the Islamic capture of Medina and later Mecca.

This feature was also the path adopted by every muslim marauder that came to India, as well as extensively by the brutish, portugese, french and dutch colonizers.

This was also the path by which europeans defeated Native Americans.
This was the technique by which slavery was sustained for centuries, by cultivating what Malcolm X called ‘house niggers’ and Uncle Toms among the slave community.

This characteristic drives the west-created system in India and all over the world today.

It is the turncoat Kashmiris that are used as pawns by these west-created systems in Kashmir. It is the converted christians that are used as pawns by these west-created systems to destroy Indian society in North East, Orissa, etc. It is the turncoats among tribal communities that are used to establish hegemony of western empires in tribal lands today. It is the sold out indians that are used to entrench western interest in indian society- the sold out indians in media, in political parties, in bureaucracy, in NGOs, in police, in Judiciary, in academe, in entertainment industry, in corporate field.

Root cause

While deracination plays a large part in making of a turncoat, it is ultimately the inherent characteristic of a person, the inherent consciousness of dharma or its deficiency, that makes a person sell him/herself repeatedly.
It is consciousness of dharma and adherence to it that sustains life, sustains dharma, and in turn sustains the sustainer of dharma.

Remedy

Each of the western systems of aggrandizement, built upon deceit, division, bribery, crash down when the turncoats turn around, when sepoys rebel, when sheep become humans, when people realize their roots, realize themselves, and within them dharma.

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Pranaam,
Why no posts since long time ?
In a forum, there is an arguement regarding Bhagvad Gita Shloka IX – 32. The interpretation of the verse given by a person is given below :

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According to Nirukta, the word sUdra means sucati draavayateeti sUdrah (one who is always in sorrow and runs – tries to runaway from it). Why should someone be in sorrow always, unless it is due to his sins? Chanakya’s arthasastra seems to confirm this.

BG IX-32 is this:—
मां हि पार्थ व्यपाश्रित्य यॆऽपिस्युः पापयॊनयः।

māṃ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye:’pisyuḥ pāpayonayaḥ|

स्त्रियो वैश्यस्तथा शूद्रास्तेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम् ॥

striyo vaiśyastathā śūdrāste:’pi yānti parāṃ gatim ||

If you are not in a position to get convinced from the above that Krishna includes women, vaisyas and sudras in the “pāpayonayaḥ” category, then I do not know how to make you understand. But in modern commentaries, it will be found that some convoluted effort is made not to bring in such a meaning because of the fear of feminist ire. Due to this, vaisyas and sudras also get out!

You say “O Arjuna, even those who may be born from the wombs of degraded women, merchants and menials; if they take full shelter of me, they also reach the supreme goal.”, you are citing one of the modern commentaries/translation.

I give below some of the older translations/commentaries:

Rudra Vaisnava Sampradaya:

Sridhara Swami’s Commentary What is there to wonder that bhakti or loving devotion to the Supreme Lord Krishna purifies one of previously abominable behaviour? When it liberates from samsara the perpetual cycle of birth and death even low born and unqualified persons. This is being confirmed here that those born sinfully out of wedlock, those born in the poorest and most degraded of families such as mleccha or meat eaters, those who are vaisyas the mercantile class engaged only in business,sudras the menial class, women and all others who are devoid of Vedic knowledge. If any of them are accepted by the bonafide spiritual preceptor in one of the four authorised channels of spiritual knowledge and take complete refuge in the Supreme Lord Krishna worshipping Him or any of His authorised incarnations and expansions, it is assured undoubtedly that they will attain the Supreme destination of eternal association with Him.

The above one belongs to the modern version. Now, let us see Sankara’s commentary of this sloka —

They who are of sinful birth, are pāpayonayaḥ. Who are they? It is said here — women, vaisyas, as well as sudras. Even they attain to the supreme goal, O Partha, if they come to Me, seeking shelter in me.

Now, why are women pāpayonayaḥ? This goes to the Indra- Visvarupa (son of tvaṣṭā, a brahmin) episode. The earliest possible reference is in taittirīya saṃhitā 2.5.1. Indra transfers one-third of the brahmahatyā sin due to his killing viśvarūpa to women on account of which they started menstruating (called malavadvāsā) and staining their clothes.
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What could be your answer to this one. Did Lord Krishna hold Women, Vaishyas and Shudras as Papa yonaha ?
Please explain this also.
“taittirīya saṃhitā 2.5.1. Indra transfers one-third of the brahmahatyā sin due to his killing viśvarūpa to women on account of which they started menstruating (called malavadvāsā) and staining their clothes”

sudra is a varna. it is not a person.
A person exhibits certain behavior which identifies him as of a varna for the time he exhibits that behavior.
One who pursues the purushartha of kama is sudra.

The Srimad BhagavadGita sloka ibid means that however bad karma samskara a person may have accrued, if s/he turns to Bhagavan with whole heart, s/he reaches the highest.

papayonayah r those who r born due incorrect relationship.
such births r taken as a result of particular karma samskara.
Even they attain to highest if they chose to.

vyshya and sudra are varna. not ppl.
those who exhibit those varna characterstic, yet dedicates themselves to Bhagavan, speedily reaches him.
womenhood is gender. nothing especially good or bad with it. it is actions of a person that determine their future positions.

If women r of so-called ‘sinful birth’, would they be respected so much in Bharatiya Samskriti?