It seems to me the whole "foreigner" angle as well as the "technology" angle is really just a distraction from the "bad governance" angle. In fact, the state knew he was engaged in unsafe practices years before hand and nothing was ever done about it. There is good reason why the state paid out in cash--the buck stops with them.

So I fail to see why my health insurance costs should go up to pay for fancy needles when a little bureaucratic muscle would make these types of outbreaks much more unlikely.

My father's doctor is Pakistani, she's great, helped my father tremendously where other doctors, including American born doctors, were clueless. However, I admit that foreign doctors are a mixed bag, and usually don't measure up to their US trained counterparts. I've seen some who were complete dumb-shiats, or worse, outright psycho.

theflatline:I can you this, you can tell if it is indians or pakistanis running your local convenience store.

The Pakastani one is the horribly dirty one.

American Medical AssociationThe first impression of India in landing at Tuticorin is very disappointing. ... the river is used as a receptacle for corpses, dead animals and everything that is filthy, ... are lined with washerwomen and washermen and human and animal bathers.

Fissile:My father's doctor is Pakistani, she's great, helped my father tremendously where other doctors, including American born doctors, were clueless. However, I admit that foreign doctors are a mixed bag, and usually don't measure up to their US trained counterparts. I've seen some who were complete dumb-shiats, or worse, outright psycho.

Keyword!

My unfair and personal anecdotal evidence is that middle eastern doctors (Pakistan counts) tend to be male, old money incompetents who are usually bad at their job (from a reliance on cheaper and/or riskier techniques) and work in the Midwest (because it's easier to get political clout and/or snow the locals). If he works in the city or is actually a she the doc is more likely to have their job because they are actually good at it.

The Midwest has a severe doctor shortage though, not 100% on the reasons (though I can guess it's the dollars) which tends to exacerbate the problem.

But most of this is from friend in the biz. And as I mentioned it is anecdotal.

To step away from the racist derp about brown-skinned furriner doctors, and move into CSB territory...

The doctor who delivered me at birth was named Dr. Khomeni. A couple of years later, his cousin took over as the new leader of Iran in a revolution, so the guy who gave my mom a C-section to bring me into the world got to go home to become the Health Minister of Iran and the personal physician to that coont of a leader, the Ayatollah Khomeni.

Let's not forget what they did to the doctor who turned in Bin Laden. Made him a national hero? No, they arrested him.

Greece, wtf?

They somehow blame the US for the idea that the EU (Germany) is attempting to drive out native Greeks and turn the country into a resort destination. I heard the term, "Europe's Florida", but I don't think he understands Greece already is Europe's Florida.

Martin The Mess:To step away from the racist derp about brown-skinned furriner doctors, and move into CSB territory...

The doctor who delivered me at birth was named Dr. Khomeni. A couple of years later, his cousin took over as the new leader of Iran in a revolution, so the guy who gave my mom a C-section to bring me into the world got to go home to become the Health Minister of Iran and the personal physician to that coont of a leader, the Ayatollah Khomeni.

Martin The Mess:To step away from the racist derp about brown-skinned furriner doctors, and move into CSB territory...

The doctor who delivered me at birth was named Dr. Khomeni. A couple of years later, his cousin took over as the new leader of Iran in a revolution, so the guy who gave my mom a C-section to bring me into the world got to go home to become the Health Minister of Iran and the personal physician to that coont of a leader, the Ayatollah Khomeni.

I'm sure he provided loads of intel about America to his Revolutionary Guard buddies as well, especially the description of your Momma's VJ.

Let's not forget what they did to the doctor who turned in Bin Laden. Made him a national hero? No, they arrested him.

Greece, wtf?

They somehow blame the US for the idea that the EU (Germany) is attempting to drive out native Greeks and turn the country into a resort destination. I heard the term, "Europe's Florida", but I don't think he understands Greece already is Europe's Florida.

I think the causality is reversed, they have this conspiracy theory about America because they already hated us. Rather than the other way around.

You can't judge all Pakistani doctors by the actions of this one but a broad rule of thumb is that Pakistani and Indian universities don't have the same quality of teaching that is found in western countries. That said, this is such a basic thing, not changing syringes, that it seems like penny pinching rather than lack of knowledge.

That's more on the criminal side than the ignorant side. What's the betting he will never face any judicial hearing over this? The Pakistani government won't willingly give him up and the normal press response there is to always say the accusations are false, manufactured to make a political point somehow.

worlddan:It seems to me the whole "foreigner" angle as well as the "technology" angle is really just a distraction from the "bad governance" angle. In fact, the state knew he was engaged in unsafe practices years before hand and nothing was ever done about it. There is good reason why the state paid out in cash--the buck stops with them.

So I fail to see why my health insurance costs should go up to pay for fancy needles when a little bureaucratic muscle would make these types of outbreaks much more unlikely.

foo monkey:They somehow blame the US for the idea that the EU (Germany) is attempting to drive out native Greeks and turn the country into a resort destination. I heard the term, "Europe's Florida", but I don't think he understands Greece already is Europe's Florida.

I wonder if that Pakistani doctor that tipped off the US about Osama is still alive. We utterly abandoned him and it's quite likely he's been tortured and then killed, if not his entire family as well.

Martin The Mess:To step away from the racist derp about brown-skinned furriner doctors, and move into CSB territory...

duffblue:Martin The Mess: To step away from the racist derp about brown-skinned furriner doctors, and move into CSB territory...

The doctor who delivered me at birth was named Dr. Khomeni. A couple of years later, his cousin took over as the new leader of Iran in a revolution, so the guy who gave my mom a C-section to bring me into the world got to go home to become the Health Minister of Iran and the personal physician to that coont of a leader, the Ayatollah Khomeni.

That's not really that interesting or cool, bro.

I disagree. I now have him favorited as "Was delivered by c-section by Ayatolla Khomeni's brother."

Spiralmonkey:You can't judge all Pakistani doctors by the actions of this one but a broad rule of thumb is that Pakistani and Indian universities don't have the same quality of teaching that is found in western countries. That said, this is such a basic thing, not changing syringes, that it seems like penny pinching rather than lack of knowledge.That's more on the criminal side than the ignorant side. What's the betting he will never face any judicial hearing over this? The Pakistani government won't willingly give him up and the normal press response there is to always say the accusations are false, manufactured to make a political point somehow.

I have a friend from India and she told me the whole reason her family left was her parents couldn't stand the corruption. A degree from there is worthless because anyone with enough money can basically buy their sheepskin, paying someone else to take their tests for them and bribing the teachers to give them good marks. The ones with money also have the family and influence to land the plum jobs and keep everyone else out.

TV's Vinnie:Spiralmonkey: You can't judge all Pakistani doctors by the actions of this one

You can when Pakistan makes them the freakin' Health Minister.

Given that they only have 0.8 doctors per 1000 people (compared with 2.0-2.4 for industrialized countries), he was probably the most qualified well-connected guy they could find.