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Comments on MetaFilter post Pop HistoryTue, 25 Jun 2013 10:22:06 -0800Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:22:06 -0800en-ushttp://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss60Pop Historyhttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l9qb8">The People's Songs: The Story of Modern Britain in 50 Records</a> is a radio series on BBC written and narrated by Stuart Maconie. Each episode focuses on one particular pop song and tells the story of the song as well as what social trends it mirrored, for instance the episode on <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ndm4t">Telstar by The Tornadoes</a> focuses on the technological progress, especially in space travel and music, and the story of songwriter and record producer Joe Meek. <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l9qb8/episodes/player">25 episodes have been broadcast</a>, including ones on <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ndltj">Dizzee Rascal's Bonkers and 21st Century Britain</a>, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ndkw0">Cornershop's Brimful of Asha and the British-Asian experience </a>, and <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01lpnpq">Serge Gainsbourg's Je T'aime and sex</a>. There are <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l9qb8/broadcasts/upcoming">25 more to come</a>. There is also a <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/peoplessongs">blog</a> and <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l9qb8/profiles">profiles of the songs already discussed</a>. <small>[<a href="http://www.metafilter.com/119641/From-Vera-to-Amy">Previously on MeFi</a>]</small>post:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:06:13 -0800KattullusmusichistoryBritainUKUnitedKingdomBBCPeoplesSongsStuartMaconieMaconieTelstarTornadoesJoeMeekDizzeeRascalCornershopSergeGainsbourgpopmusicpopBy: elsietheeelhttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5054143
Just reading the post got all sorts of songs stuck in my head.
<small>Damn you, Cornershop. DAMN YOU.</small>comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5054143Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:22:06 -0800elsietheeelBy: billiebeehttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5054177
Dizzee Rascal's Bonkers as an illustration of 21st Century Britain? Really? No, like, really?comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5054177Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:33:26 -0800billiebeeBy: coliehttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5054225
<em>Dizzee Rascal's Bonkers as an illustration of 21st Century Britain?</em>
That's the beauty of analysing *pop* music - Bonkers was a massive number 1, selling over 400,000 copies in the UK at a time when (I think) you can get a number 1 with under 25k sales. This in itself makes it rewarding of serious musicological analysis, no matter what anyone might think of it artistically.
Great link. Rock Island Line is the most influential record in the first 25 IMO.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5054225Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:47:13 -0800colieBy: yerfatmahttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5054344
No podcast link for this that I can see&mdash; is that because it's Radio 2 or because they play whole songs? Thanks for the link.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5054344Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:32:43 -0800yerfatmaBy: billiebeehttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5054407
<em>Bonkers was a massive number 1, selling over 400,000 copies</em>
Rizzle Kicks 'Mama Do the Hump' sold 559,000 so I'm not sure sales alone warrant serious musicological analysis. Just saying I think there are other songs that could have illustrated the subject better. Plan B's 'Ill Manors' for one.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5054407Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:49:54 -0800billiebeeBy: Erberushttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5054492
I've been listening to this, it's a good alternative viewpoint of music history. I also like how they jump around in time periods based on similar themes. It was quite interesting hearing how the mainstream reaction to hippies and punks were very similar.
My main criticism would be that some of the episodes are quite repetitive with people raising the same point several times without developing it further.
<i>Rizzle Kicks 'Mama Do the Hump' sold 559,000 so I'm not sure sales alone warrant serious musicological analysis. Just saying I think there are other songs that could have illustrated the subject better. Plan B's 'Ill Manors' for one.
posted by billiebee at 7:49 PM on June 25 [+] [!]</i>
That episode focused a lot on 'selling out' and how his very outsider first album eventually propelled him into being a global star. Also how the eclectic nature of grime (e.g. Dizze Rascal sighted Iron Maiden as an influence) reflects modern music listening habits.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5054492Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:16:15 -0800ErberusBy: coliehttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5054673
<em>Rizzle Kicks 'Mama Do the Hump' sold 559,000 so I'm not sure sales alone warrant serious musicological analysis.</em>
Respectfully, what is about about 'Mama Do the Hump' that doesn't warrant serious musicological analysis?
It's a tonal pop song, mixes blues references with rap, structurally intriguing, lyrically inventive, sung in a British accent (still a bit uncommon), and also demonstrates aspects of how the modern music industry works. Hipsters hate it but someone out there likes what meets their ears, for some reason. It's impossible that they were all brainwashed by Evil Music Overlords or were all idiots. I'm interested!comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5054673Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:37:09 -0800colieBy: Twanghttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5054864
<i>Every show will be on BBC iPlayer until December 2013, or you can download for a small fee.... Please note - the MP3 downloads will not include all of the music that you hear in the full programme, because of rights restrictions.</i>
Bah. Where would the BBC be without us Yanks to yank around for mega$$$, once again.
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_two">Stream</a> ... looks like Wed's at 22:00UTC, 6pm EDT, 3pm PDT. <strong>Warning</strong>: fumes may be toxic at other times.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5054864Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:27:47 -0800TwangBy: billiebeehttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5054877
<em>Respectfully, what is about about 'Mama Do the Hump' that doesn't warrant serious musicological analysis?</em>
Tbh I agree, I was thinking that as soon as I posted it. I wasn't meaning to say that neither of those songs are deserving of analysis. It's more that I don't think something is worthy of analysis <em>just because</em> it sold a lot of copies.
I just think of all songs to reflect Britain musically now, of all Dizzee Rascal's songs even, there are better examples. I thought Wylie's "Wearing my Rolex" was so much better, and the discussion of that would possibly had covered some of the same ground.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5054877Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:31:23 -0800billiebeeBy: Decanihttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5055121
Telstar was the first single I owned. My three-year-old self heard these amazing, other-worldly noises emanating from our huge "radiogram" and apparently I immediately informed my parents that it was absolutely necessary that I somehow own those sounds. So they bought me the record. I still have it. Decca label, if I recall correctly.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5055121Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:27:51 -0800DecaniBy: Renorochttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5055206
Congrats on the Black Sabbath and Sex Pistols episodes, but if you overlook Def Leppard and Iron Maiden, you're missing a lot.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5055206Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:56:04 -0800RenorocBy: Catchhttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5056958
I've been listening to these for a while now, I'm loving the overlapping of history between episodes.
Favourite so far was the Ghost Town episode, it's the bleak '80s Britain that made such an impression on my childhood.
I'm looking forward to compare-and-contrast with the Gold episode.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5056958Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:59:18 -0800CatchBy: mippyhttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5057023
<em>Dizzee Rascal's Bonkers as an illustration of 21st Century Britain? Really? No, like, really?</em>
Bonkers was also part of the Olympic Opening Ceremony and a running gag on Harry Hill's TV Burp, so like any song that merits proper analysis it has become more than something coming out of a car radio. It represents my own experience about as closely as Rio by Duran Duran does, but then I'm well old and didn't grow up in East London. Ill Manors did something similar, but your mum would never refer to 'that Plan B' and maybe that's the difference.
<em>Congrats on the Black Sabbath and Sex Pistols episodes, but if you overlook Def Leppard and Iron Maiden, you're missing a lot.</em>
They had what I thought was a NWOBHM episode - I caught some whilst I was in the shower when it was halfway through - which did touch on bands other than Black Sabbath.comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5057023Wed, 26 Jun 2013 06:48:04 -0800mippyBy: billiebeehttp://www.metafilter.com/129411/Pop-History#5057076
<em> but your mum would never refer to 'that Plan B' and maybe that's the difference.</em>
Ah, how little you know Ma Bee...comment:www.metafilter.com,2013:site.129411-5057076Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:11:42 -0800billiebee