I care that the full array of Constitutional -Checks and Balances is maintained.

The Founding Fathers put the gun/rifle/arms rights in the Law because of the checks=balance an adequately armed populace-militia would have on a
governing body that would become so lopsided that it became TYRANICAL

thats why the 2nd Ammendment was created.... to prevent the very acts of gun control and confiscation that is being seriously considered right now in
2013 no less

Why do people care so much about taking guns away from law abiding citizens?

Did US mother bombs choose where to hit ? Did it choose between civilians and army? Are the US drones choosing now ?

It is the same way the govt is taking the gun from all of the people.

Sorry buddy. But your statement makes no sense to me....in the context of my post that you quoted.

As for the drone strikes. That is Obama's drone war that is playing out all around the world. Drones controlled by human pilots. It is basically
an assassination campaign that is wrong in so many ways. It has nothing to do with with our Second Amendment and my guns.

Read this story in it's entirety and you should understand why. I live in this town. My grandfather was involved in this little piece of justice for
the people.

On August 1-2, 1946, some Americans, brutalized by their county government, used armed force as a last resort to overturn it. These Americans wanted
honest open elections. For years they had asked for state or federal election monitors to prevent vote fraud (forged ballots, secret ballot counts and
intimidation by armed sheriff's deputies) by the local political boss. They got no help.

These Americans' absolute refusal to knuckle under had been hardened by service in World War II. Having fought to free other countries from murderous
regimes, they rejected vicious abuse by their county government.

These Americans had a choice. Their state's Constitution -- Article 1, Section 26 -- recorded their right to keep and bear arms for the common
defense. Few "gun control" laws had been enacted.

These Americans were residents of McMinn County, which is located between Chattanooga and Knoxville in Eastern Tennessee. The two main towns were
Athens and Etowah. McMinn County residents had long been independent political thinkers. For a long time they also had: accepted bribe-taking by
politicians and/or the sheriff to overlook illicit whiskey-making and gambling; financed the sheriff's department from fines-usually for speeding or
public drunkenness which promoted false arrests; and put up with voting fraud by both Democrats and Republicans

How do you know the majority are making heroin ? Who give you the right to kill them ? I think your govt was looking for OBL in there.

+ Germany and USA are making dangerous chemical weapons. Who gives the right to other countries to attack them ?

I'm simply making the point that killing indiscriminately for profit is a motive of the Afghanis and that it doesn't require guns or bombs. In fact
guns and bombs are the most costly and inefficient way to go about it.

Seems like when you get down to the numbers the Afghanis have a pretty high kill ratio..... And they don't even need to fire a shot. They just have
others fire the shot into their arms.. But what do they care? They get paid.

I can reply two ways to your inquiries.The govt makes war discisions by think tanks,"smart" people in a room who are educated in elite schools and
their buddies have gotten them into the system. No points for wisdom here just formulaic outcomes.When faced with a "bandit"kind of enemy we aren't
too good at fighting them.We have to go after them where ever they hide,unfortunately that could be your neighbor's house. The American people (
contrary to some opinions) care a great deal about the war on terror and the collateral lives we take.The Fed Govt then has to go secret so we can't
find out about it. The problem is.....we shouldn't clean up other people's mess they should. We are going after jihadists that should be controlled
by either their countries or their faith,who are angry because they have such a small place in life and because the Fed Govt has been acting rogue in
secrecy for centuries and has picked a fight with them. I think this is their way of fighting back with their values.
I don't know any muslims personally so I am speculating to answer you,a difficult thing through all the disinfo we are fed.

Our engagement with guns is both traditional and functional.We need them keep soverignty over the govt. 30 round mags military style weapons the whole
shebang.
The bills you mention are the result of competition between 2 parties we vote from. Each seeks more control,one wants money more than all else,the
other wants socialism.The plight of the American populace and the world are secondary considerations,until we are attacked or should I say until a
convenient situation is exploitable to them.
We haven't overthrown yet because they haven't physically attacked us,but they sure are pushing it.

I think the taking of liberties and the destruction of infrastructure started in 1995, under the Taliban. The US used guns to help restore liberties,
esspecially to women in Afghanistan. Guns are not the issue, the taliban used many methods of control- the fact of the matter is, guns would have been
the only means available for the Afghani people to reassert their liberties, but they were beat into submission by a group that was much better armed.
The Afghani people gave up their own liberties because they did not believe certain things were worth dying for. Americans are very different, we
believe that one should stand on their values and beliefs, even if it begats our eventual demise, for we know that our brothers will die along side us
and eventually our sacrifice will be honored with the sucumbing of those who wish to impede our values.

I can reply two ways to your inquiries.The govt makes war discisions by think tanks,"smart" people in a room who are educated in elite schools and
their buddies have gotten them into the system. No points for wisdom here just formulaic outcomes.When faced with a "bandit"kind of enemy we aren't
too good at fighting them.We have to go after them where ever they hide,unfortunately that could be your neighbor's house. The American people (
contrary to some opinions) care a great deal about the war on terror and the collateral lives we take.The Fed Govt then has to go secret so we can't
find out about it. The problem is.....we shouldn't clean up other people's mess they should. We are going after jihadists that should be controlled by
either their countries or their faith,who are angry because they have such a small place in life and because the Fed Govt has been acting rogue in
secrecy for centuries and has picked a fight with them. I think this is their way of fighting back with their values.
I don't know any muslims personally so I am speculating to answer you,a difficult thing through all the disinfo we are fed.

It is simple. Your govt , has and is making wars.

Supporting those fanatics groups and people like Saddam , Qaddafi , and Taliban in a while. But those stupid people want to get back and bite the hand
of the US because they know they have been used as a tool. They think they are smart that they can get help from US and bite the hand.

+ This is the ultimate scenario of US enemies in the region. Turkey is acting the same as well as , Saddam , Qaddafi , Al-qaeda , Saudi king , Qatar
king , Kowait king , Qaddafi and other smart revolutionaries.

They are one-time use only puppets.

But what you hear in media , is "they are Jihadist , they deserve to die"

Then you come and tell me "When faced with a "bandit"kind of enemy we aren't too good at fighting them.We have to go after them where ever they
hide,unfortunately that could be your neighbor's house"

So , US is helping minority extremist groups and then generalize those people to all Muslims and the nations by MSM.

Since they have operated in secrecy we are just now becoming aware of facts thanks to the internet.
May I ask what you suggest?

Ah but I don't generalize it I know there are factions causing this and all are paying for it. I have long known my country's operating system is
rogue,that is why I am a conspiaricist,just a "crazy" guy who found out for himself how ugly the picture really is.
Hopefully these eco-terrorists are melting down.Over the years they have armored themselves against the world with laws and money but now the money is
running out we'll see.
Put more clearly I understand why they want to cut my head off,I'm just not going to let them do it.

Ok, I think you are lumping a lot into one subject. First the, there are a lot of us who do care, who have served, and who have tried to work through
the democratic process of voting these slags out. The problem with Afgan, Irag, Iran, whatever, is that you have very valuable resources that big
corporations want and will drive their puppet governments to take. We have all been sold a bill of goods by those that hold the purse strings and the
power.

I would love to bring home all of our US troops and put them to work here in the good ole US of A. Impose a 100% import excise tax on all foreign
products and penalize companies that off-shore US jobs through heavy tax burden. Nothing would give me more pleasure. The challenge is that there
are too many Americans that have been zombified through consumerism to care.

I think the day is coming soon when that hard and very rough wake up call is coming. To generalize we do not care about other nations is wrong. I
have always found people generally get along, but Governments make wars that the poor will fight and die in. That is what is happening in Afgan and
all of the war torn world.

There are too many humans, the world is at critical mass. The great mother will get even.

Okay, I have to ask this question: when Sadaam invaded Kuwait and was killing and raping and torturing the Kuwait people, do you agree or disagree
with the US going in there and driving Sadaam out of Kuwait?

Originally posted by neo96
If the Us government is so bloody evil that has invaded other countries killing people in Afghanistan etc then why the hell do people think we should
get on our knees?

Ponder that sure some will miss that point.

I don't say you should get on your knees , I say it is the way things were done yesterday. And tomorrow depends on you.

Someone says "we don't care" about afghanistan and other tripe simple fact we care about our guns is because we don't want to become afghanistan
eh.

trusting wolves will always have similar results.

And if you think you are smarter , let it be.

So you aregee with the Taliban when they shoot women in the back of the head and burn down schools because they are trying to educate females? You
think that Islamic fundimentalists who believe in coversion bythe sword and the murder of innocents are the victims here? That a woman deserves her
rape if she is dressed improperly?

+ Germany and USA are making dangerous chemical weapons. Who gives the right to other countries to attack them ?

What are you even talking about? I've read all of your posts and they all end up off topic or about nonsense such as this. What is the point of this
thread?

Chemical weapons violate the Geneva Convention. Just ask Syria who inherited Sadam's cache of chemical weapons of mass destruction before we were
able to seize and destroy them. Just ask the Kurds from Halabja. I'm sure you know were that is. Right? Those who survived could tell you a thing
or two.

Please provide a source to prove your allegations regarding Germany and the United States. I'm beginning to think that you are simply a troll based
on uncorroborated statements like that. Just looking for an argument with some dumb gun proud Americans?

Stay on your own topic if you can.... too many distractions thrown by you....

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ETA

Do some research Please!
Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW)

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