Emails between Travis and the Hughes’…Travis was really interested in Jodi? Yes.

So Travis is talking about they don’t come more honest than Jodi? Yes.

These are data points? Yes.

Travis called her all kinds of names? Yes.

A lot of the names were character assassination? Yes.

This was abusive? Abusive is a pattern.

Yes or no? I can’t answer that without clarifying it.

Do you look for patterns? Yes.

Psych abuse can be damaging? Yes.

When he called her a whore? Yes, it can be damaging.

Willmott has ratcheted up the snark quotient!

Objection…sidebar…

Lunch called….

Court resumes at 1:46.

Willmott will continue to try and be a mini-Juan…just doesn’t work for her, lol!

Why oh why cannot they start on time???????

Counsel, approach…kill me, just kill me…

I am so missing Judge Belvin Perry!

Jodi should be zapped every time she looks at Travis’ family…grrrrr.

Jury in at 1:53.

There was a 14 month period after she broke up with Mr. McCarthy and when she began dating Mr. Brewer? Not from the info she gave me.

If someone called you a whore or slut, it’s abusive? Misuse of words is not abuse.

Willmott must have had a Red Bull at lunch!

DeMarte isn’t budging from being objective. Which is what she’s supposed to be. Refuses to fight back with emotional issues that Willmott wants! Willmott playing troll and DeMarte ain’t taking the bait!

Willmott is trying to play psych in reading the tests scores and hasn’t an iota of education! Accusing DeMarte of not knowing anything…omg!

Jury has to be really pizzed off by now!

This is misinterpreting the MMPI. Let’s do it anyways.

Juan up…

In dealing with children, you don’t walk in with compassion? No.

Do you bring the lollipops and presents? No.

If you walk in with compassion what does that mean? You look for things that can skew your opinion.

The MMPI is a personality test, correct? Not a test for battered women or PTSD? Yes.

Willmott was trying to use MMPI to show Jodi was battered and had PTSD. Not a diagnostic tool at all!

Wow, if ya watch the vid, look how high up Willmott’s chair is now! 10 Ft. level!

Was Mr. Alexander’s ring taken? Yes.

What other signs of stalking did you see? She deleted some of his emails.

Like this:

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Once again, we thank you for providing the School of Donchais!!! We are so grateful to you and I’m so sorry you have to put up with the trolls as well as Gidget today. She can seriously cause PTSD herself as I’m sure that you and your many kids here can attest to. At least you now have 4 days of not listening to her voice 😀

Thanks again for everything donchais! {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}

donchais

04/18/2013 at 7:37 pm

back at ya!!!

HJ Madison

04/18/2013 at 7:41 pm

Robert in Rotterdam
04/18/2013 at 7:30 pm | #1202 Quote
RnR “I’ll miss the court but one good thing is that wobo will be thinking about Doc Janeen ALL weekend. What she said about her. How she looked and how the jury was interested in the Doic. Wobo will wallow while we wait and whistle.”

Well said! Imagine the horror of knowing now this jury and everyone else have seen ALL of your Naughty bits — Both inside and out!

Donchais: Thanks for providing such an interesting and fun playground! And an excellant recap as well!

donchais

04/18/2013 at 7:46 pm

awww, shucks, thx!

HJ Madison

04/18/2013 at 7:47 pm

Oh there it is all you HLNer’s …. and it just keeps coming ….

kelleyyyy

04/18/2013 at 7:57 pm

instead of listening to JW’s drivel I should just wait for donchais’ update. my head hurts now…I think I have a tummmorrrrr… Thank you donchais.. for this place.. and for allowing me to be a part of it 🙂

donchais

04/18/2013 at 8:02 pm

welcome to the playground!

MMD

04/18/2013 at 8:05 pm

that’s what I did yesterday cause I couldn’t take her voice any more. Donchais is of tougher stock than I am, that’s for sure!!!

Midnight Rider

04/19/2013 at 1:52 pm

OOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!! That’s just too funny, Kelleyyy! I spewed! But am afraid I may have to join the club; have a dr appointment Monday!!! LMAO!!!

Family of Law

04/18/2013 at 7:59 pm

Hi Donchais – another Juanderful wrap up, thank you!

Question: Did you interpret the “Bear / Tiger Q. as being pro JA? In your opinion, we’re any Q’s slanted in favor of the defense? (I’m worried that WIS senses JA has made a pal on the jury).

donchais

04/18/2013 at 8:01 pm

Nah, not me…but ya never know with a jury!

Jay

04/18/2013 at 8:30 pm

I think it could be a worrisome question. Someone could be buying into the idea that emotional distress could register equally on the PTSD test and validate Samuels test score even if she was lying about WHO did the killing, her or two ninjas.

I hoped JM had asked Dr JDM a Followup question something like this: Would the test still be valid if she lied and said she killed either a lion or a tiger attacking her, when in fact she hunted and killed them?

Substituting herself for those invented killers doesn’t skew the test as much as the lie about who initiated the killing.

Maybe he’ll bring that up in final arguments.

hottopic08

04/18/2013 at 11:08 pm

I interpreted that Q as a jab at Dr. Fog for insisting it didn’t matter that JA lied on the test, when of course it does, it’s absurd to think otherwise. If there were a juror in JA’s corner, I would think by this stage we would have heard more questions leaning in her favor, no?

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 1:54 pm

I wasn’t 100% sure how to interpret that Q as to being pro Jodi or not. But even if a juror was asking a Q about this issue to clear up a question that had lingering about the issue, I think DrD did a fantastic job answering. She said that even if someone was attacked by one, but put down another animal on the test, it would indeed be invalidated due to the fact that the attacks would still be so different…the way the animals come at you, the smells, your reactions, etc. And DrD said it in such a way like it wasn’t even at question for her…like of course it would have to be invalidated cuz the answers are all you have and if they’re lies, test is trash!

Lisa M

04/18/2013 at 8:00 pm

Great recap, thanks Donchais!

Anna

04/18/2013 at 8:00 pm

Trace re Anna (feeling quite lost w/o the reply or quote option here in the new playground, but you all know me)…: “LOL! I knew what you meant. Getting really fluent in typonese these days. Especially when I read back some of my own posts.”

Thank you friend. My old posts haunt me like a horror movie character could if I’d let him/her. Need another clean up on aisle anna, I’m afraid because “typonese” is a new one I like to LMAO to! 🙂 How ’bout ‘pretty overcome with emotion and my hands are shaking so plz try to figure out what I’m typing/saying here’. No, that’s way too long…I like your’s better. 🙂

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 8:37 pm

Trust me…I did not coin that term. I saw it on another site so I “plagiarized” it. There are some acronyms used in here that take me a bit to figure out so my vocabulary expands every day. 🙂

Anna

04/18/2013 at 9:19 pm

[sarcasm, humor, not meant to be mean stuff to follow…ack] well, i guess that’s it for now then, Houston…if you plagiarize (and btw i hate the spelling of that word), i can not acquit. but can’t we at least find-a-word that rhythms with plagiarize? oj’s atty got that one square on! lol my friend!!!

HJ, got it!!!!!!! Gets dude’s number on the flight back from Travis’s memorial.

kelleyyyy

04/18/2013 at 8:01 pm

NG bi-line…EXPERT SCREAMS AT DEFENCE….. do what???

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 8:40 pm

A complete and utter exaggeration! What that woman won’t do for sensationalism. Dr. D never raised her voice and was a complete professional. I would’ve never been able to maintain that kind of composure that Dr. D. She was awesome.

Btw – Welcome! You’ll love it here as you’ve already figured out. Way to dive right on in! 😀

I have to say I love all the extra things Dr. D’s mentioning, like the Christmas tree incident. All this talk about Travis debasing Jodi, excuse me but if you’re willing to sleep under a Christmas tree I’d say you’re taking care of that all by yourself.

She’s done. There were no more Jury questions and no more questions by any of the attorneys. Now we have to wait to see who Juan’s next witness is going to. I hate these 4 day weekends when I know I have something to look forward too. But it’s a great time to get caught up with all the vids I have yet to watch. 🙂

OT
Death toll at the Texas explosion is up to 35 – close to 200 injured. It seems like all hell is breaking loose lately but yet all this money is being spent trying to save this skank’s life!!

Life can be so unfair 😦

Anna

04/18/2013 at 8:11 pm

ditto, MMD. Had not heard of the recent death toll….so thanks…news is pissing me off so bad right now that I’m actually ignoring it…not like me…

Anna

04/18/2013 at 8:16 pm

btw, i think now would be a capital time to watch your newly, forcibly acquired movie. It’s only 94 mins long but feels like a good 188 mins of sheer hilarity…imho anyway…

Jay

04/18/2013 at 9:31 pm

Any word on what caused the Texas explosion?

Anna

04/18/2013 at 11:08 pm

to be honest, i’m ignoring outside news right now…bad for my ‘ealth! but i’m hoping it was an accident..

Anonymous

04/18/2013 at 8:09 pm

I couldn’t watch Wilfred making an ass out of herself today. Every time I turned the channel back she was there with her snarky sneer on her face I just want to reach through the TV and wack her. And miss twinnie there makes me sick to my stomach. Good Day for Juan and Ms. Demarte.

kCruz123

04/18/2013 at 8:09 pm

Donchais, great synopsis as usual. Love your style, you have amazing way of hitting every relevant point and in the process you convey all of the emotions and drama of the day. Your wit and humor are always spot on. Your words carry us through this. I can only bow down to you for having the stamina to listen to all the crap that is so indicative of this DT.
Many of us take the luxury of fast-forwarding through anything DT, because we know that you’ve got your barf bag at the ready and will power through these parts for us.
For all you do….THANK YOU.
This is my first attempt to follow a trial via blog and since I’ve seen how well done this site is I intend to make this a habit. It’s nice to know that I no longer have to depend on getting my trial fix from HLN and instead can find you online and know that it’s a great place to meet others with like minds, feel free to express my thoughts, and can constantly learn from others – all at the same time.

I could not have said it any better kCruz123 – thanks donchais. I watched the CA trial with my sisters and we are watching this trial too. But this site is so informative and has humour for the days we have to try and listen to wingnut, recliner man and another world thing – I have my sisters phoning and saying did you see what they posted on the call for justice site – we are all hooked – So again thank you donchais and everyone else for your wit, humour, intelligence and insight. I hope these jurors are not the 12 most stupid people in america like they were in the CA trial and Travis get his justice.

kelleyyyy

04/18/2013 at 8:10 pm

why does Quasimodo always have to flex his arm out like that.. even just to push his glasses up??? dang irritating. does his elbow’s lock up or sumpin???

kCruz123

04/18/2013 at 8:21 pm

Kelleyyyy – I’m pretty much a newbie here also and I think that is what these guys refer to as Nurmi’s ‘chicken wing’. And I saw something that you might find funny on youtube **language warning does have the B word** but is otherwise clean.

many thanks to: spraycanann for Nurmi, Shut Up and Dance

LadyinRed

04/19/2013 at 12:49 am

Classic chicken wing to a polka! 🙂

Family of Law

04/18/2013 at 8:57 pm

It’s known here as his “chicken wing”- everything about Wurmi is offensive!

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 9:18 pm

LOL! Ain’t that the truth…right down to his wardrobe. Seriously, some of his ties. WOW!

Family of Law

04/18/2013 at 9:58 pm

Hey Tracey- don’t forget his socks!

kelleyyyy

04/18/2013 at 8:13 pm

I concur KCruz123… 🙂

Anna

04/18/2013 at 8:20 pm

during this day at the beach, with our glasses fashioned over our heads, did you feel more like a bear or a tiger? Me? A momma bear.

I wrote Turner years ago. Asked him what brilliant developer pushed the Nancy Grace show/

Anna

04/18/2013 at 8:22 pm

that’s just too funny! I love that! You go bubble buddy!!!! 🙂

Jay

04/18/2013 at 9:32 pm

And did he answer you?

Nicole

04/18/2013 at 8:21 pm

Donchais … I’m a big fan of your summaries of this Arias case. And I see you are getting a LOT of traffic (1000+comments on the last summary). I hope this is alright to mention in the comment section, but I was wondering if you had considered installing Google AdSense on your blog, if you haven’t already. Because you could probably make several hundred to more than a thousand dollars per month with your high traffic. I know nobody likes ads, but you deserve to be compensated. I was shocked when one of the blogs I used to write for was generating several thousand dollars of compensation per month through Ad Sense (the ads are unobtrusive). Each month I got a check from Google for about $2000. As an editor we were all very happy to get some return on our considerable investment of time. Just my two cents! Take or leave it 🙂

Observer

04/18/2013 at 8:21 pm

I can’t stand looking at or listening to Wilmott so I didn’t waste my time on her cross of DeMarte.

I loved Juan’s re-direct because DeMarte revealed to the jury that Travis only called her names when he felt lied to, betrayed or his privacy invaded and that Jodi:

1- Stole Travis’s ring. This was an engagement ring he bought for a previous girlfriend.

2- Deleted emails.

3- Broke into his Facebook account.

4- Hid behind Travis’ s Christmas tree.

5- Exchanged phone numbers with another man she met on a plane after leaving Travis’s memorial services and called him.

6- Became a chameleon by getting breast implants, changing her hair color and becoming an LDS member after meeting Travis.

7- Felt empty inside.

8- Felt hate inside of her and she punched walls and doors.

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 8:48 pm

Boy do I understand that. I really wanted to turn it off but thought the Dr. D was so terrific I couldn’t turn away. Why am I just now reminded that I have a mute button???

I’m still kinda in the dark….where did the information about the Christmas tree and engagement ring come from? Did ms. arias give that information to Dr. D or did Dr. D get that from a police report? Thank you…I don’t post a lot, but am so impassioned with this case for justice for Travis and his family…ms. arias is the devil in disguise…IMHO,,,,Thank you Donchasis and everyone on this site…..xoxo

kristin

04/19/2013 at 2:57 am

Lol I post all the time and I STILL don’t know jack about the ring lol! I think the Christmas tree story was told by JA ( her version completely skewed) and then from Travis’s friends that were there that night. She is a complete freak job! Is she incapable of feeling unwanted in a room? This is an honest question!

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:34 pm

Yeah, all great evidence that came out yesterday! Juan’s only on his first witness– I’d say his rebuttal is going very well so far!

LOL LOL KCruz123… omgosh.. I loved that!!!! thank you…. makes me feel better knowing I wasn’t the only one that drove nuts. that was just way to funny

kelleyyyy

04/18/2013 at 8:30 pm

In FLA the defendant can go up with council approaches for sidebars. Is it the same in AZ? One would think shed not give up the chance to put on a show for everyone.. yet she stays and guards her crayons

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 9:02 pm

That’s interesting. Does that vary from county to county in FL??? I’m curious why Casey Anthony wouldn’t go up for each sidebar??? I’m in CA and have never seen a defendant approach w/counsel at a sidebar. And in AZ, we know that JA is in leg irons and wear’s a “zap” belt should she try to escape. That’s why when she was on the stand in her own defense, she was always brought up before the Jury was in so they couldn’t see her in leg irons.

When Juan had her demonstrate the “linebacker” stance the Judge called a short recess and excused the Jury so they wouldn’t be able to see her in leg irons.

But I’ll differ to the Legal Eagles like WhereIsShe or Observer who know way more than I do in this area.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:05 pm

Ah, the linebacker stance! I love how the linebacker stance looked nothing like a linebacker stance and more like she was getting ready to take flight. It was so awkward!

Observer

04/18/2013 at 9:11 pm

It’s my understanding that the defendant can only participate in sidebars if he does not have an attorney and is representing himself.

I’ve been thinking today that none of all this psychological crap that has taken over more than a month of time would ever have been an issue in this trial at all except for anothe big lie from JA. If she hadn’t made the disingenuous claim of BWS and self defense NONE of all of the diagnosis’ and diversions would be in play. I want to hear about the fact that she premeditated the murder and be done with all of these smoke screens already.

The RING!!! JM was only allowed to have it be called Travis’ ring – not that it was an engagement ring for another woman! Sooooo…what do all of you think that she did with it? Did she pawn it for the money? Bury it a Crater Lake? Inquiring minds want to know!!!

kCruz123

04/18/2013 at 8:58 pm

NancyB – I think that she may have wanted to get rid of it but I bet that she has it hidden somewhere. Since she was so certain that she would never be convicted I think she was hoping to get out and then wear it one day. In her fantasy world she could be FINALLY be engaged to Travis (since we all know it was never ever going to happen any other way).

Oh but wait…what if she pawned it on the ride to Mesa? That would explain how she got over $800.00 to make those deposits she made just before arriving at Travis’ house.

Observer

04/18/2013 at 9:55 pm

I’m surprised Jodi Arias didn’t put the engagement ring on her finger and announce to everyone at the memorial service that Travis and she were engaged and had set a wedding date. Either she couldn’t get it on her finger she injured stabbing Travis to death or she got rid of it before she slaughtered him.

kristin

04/18/2013 at 10:02 pm

Omg this ring!!! I want to know all the details. When was it stolen?

kelleyyyy

04/18/2013 at 8:38 pm

I like NG’s answer for it.. ‘she probably did some voodoo on it’ ..’and laid it on the street in front of court house and ran over it 100 times’

Not trying to be a pessimist, but sadly we live in a low information society, where a good portion of the public get their primary news and information from places like TMZ. These low information types can tell you all about Kim Kardashian, but probably couldn’t tell you who their congressmen/women is. We also live in a society where feelings are more important than facts.

Sadly, I can see a couple of jurors buying Jodi’s sh*t story. Truth as one of the great virtues has been co-opted by tolerance and relativism.

Sorry for being a Debbie downer tonight.

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 9:14 pm

Hi ya mark! 🙂 I took that in a completely different manner. I thought the Juror who asked that was trying to compare JA’s ever changing stories i.e. “I wasn’t there” vs “The Ninjas’s did it” vs “I did it in self defense”. That rang true to me regarding the Ninja story…imo. I get the feeling that WIS may have taken it the same way you did but I haven’t seen her post yet. Someone asked that of her on previous thread. Hope she comes back in.

You may be correct. I think I spent way too much time listening to Gidget today. Good grief, the contrast between her and Dr. D couldn’t have been clearer! I may be way overanalyzing what I’m hearing.

Thanks for your input…much needed! 🙂

Family of Law

04/18/2013 at 10:06 pm

WIS posted early in juror questions “Jodi has a friend on the jury”- I had missed the 1st few Q’s, so I asked WIS which Q indicated this to her… She hasn’t responded yet.

Kristy

04/18/2013 at 9:34 pm

I hate to say it but that bothered me as well. Of course, Jodi claimed at the time a gun had been pointed at her and it jammed. At that point, she had also not tried to call for help for Travis after she got loose. I believe señor Martinez will remind the jurors of this salient fact during closing arguments.

I think you’re correct when you so aptly noted that: “señor Martinez will remind the jurors of this salient fact during closing arguments.”

I need to remind myself that JM’s closing arguments will tie everything to together in a very powerful way.

BTW, who goes last during closing arguments…defense or prosecution? I hopw Juan’s words are the last thing the jury considers before deliberations!

Family of Law

04/18/2013 at 10:07 pm

Hi Mark- the State gets the final word:) Hurray!

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:09 pm

I am also a little bit concerned by the tiger/bear question, because it sounds like it’s from someone who isn’t pro-prosecution, but I think DeMarte’s answer was simple and direct, and that was the best way to answer. So that person can either take or leave that answer but there’s so much else that hopefully that one question won’t be a deciding factor.

TexiBelle

04/18/2013 at 11:28 pm

Bugged me too. Although I have to confess that I thought a lot of test responses would look similar under either the intruder or JA-as-perpetrator scenarios. Dr. DeSmarty’s answer cleared that up for me. I just hope that question was asked with total sincerity and by a juror who just wanted to do their due diligence and consider things from every angle. After all, that’s their duty as jurors.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:12 pm

I also think the good thing about this witness is that when she had to admit to something, like for example, Jodi did score high on anxiety and depression, she did so. I think she qualified it later with the fact that those are common in incarcerated individuals, but any juror is probably going to take into account that psychology might be somewhat subjective and it might be impossible to remove any subjectivity especially when you’re dealing with a subject who lies. Hopefully they’ll rely on the evidence of premeditation and the lack of evidence of physical abuse when rendering their verdict.

Jim

04/19/2013 at 8:18 am

Personally, I didn’t interpret that question as a “friend-on-the-jury” question. I think these jurors have figured out how to use their questions across different witnesses to snark at the defense. “Mr.” Dodgy is the one that said “trauma is trauma” and therefore did not re-administer the test for PTSD. I think DeMarte’s answer was brilliant about how the triggers for PTSD would be different between a tiger and a bear, and by making clear that “triggers” are the key element in a PTSD-related flashback.

Laine

04/19/2013 at 3:14 pm

I agree Jim, thats just how I saw it. There were a total of 17 questions for Dr D (if I counted right!) as opposed to over a hundred for both defense witnesses this is very telling to me. It says that she was consise and they understood her explanation, they weren’t left confused. I think AVL and Dr dolittle tried to blow so much smoke up everyones ass that they completely confused the jury which is why they asked so many questions. The fact that a lot of the questions asked were sacastic speaks to intellegint people on the jury letting them know they’re not buying the BS! I hope I’m right…but thats what I see…

Laine

04/19/2013 at 3:15 pm

*intelligent…clearly not like me when I’m typing too fast Doh!

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 8:55 pm

Brought over from previous thread: RIR – the snoring thing that slips on like a weird jock strap that shuts your mouth is my savior! Keeps it all buttoned up! I am gonna miss her though.

ROFLMAO!!!!! Here come the tears of laughter. That visual is hilarious!!!

The jurors are just having fun with their questions, I think. They ain’t buying it aty all

Pamela

04/18/2013 at 8:59 pm

How does the defense or anyone else explain that ALV and Samuels are probably old enough to be DeMarte’s grandparents, yet she comes off more polished, knowledgeable, informative, and makes me feel I’ve actually learned something after listening to her. The only thing I learned from ALV is that she’s impressed with her years of experience and has tunnel vision when it comes to qualifying who is a battered woman. I learned from Samuels that he’s cheesy, unethical, sloppy in his profession and has a soft spot for Jodi. So much for years of experience. Neither of them gave me an insight into the science as DeMarte has. Go, girl. Young, kicking ass and taking numbers. Very impressive.

Thank you Donchais, I truly, truly appreciate your time and effort in maintaining this page.

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 9:05 pm

I think that ALV and Dr. Do Little were the only “experts” that were willing to sell their souls and careers down the drain for $$$$$. It’s my understanding that 11 experts turned this case down.

Anna

04/18/2013 at 9:25 pm

Hi Pamela! Nice to meet you! I want to thank you for saving me the time of typing these exact same words…you go too girl!

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:15 pm

Young, kicking ass and taking numbers! I like that. I agree, I think she defended her diagnosis of borderline personality disorder very well, and she clearly showed the jury how symptoms of borderline could be misinterpreted by a subjective person like ALV or Samuels to indicate PTSD or battered woman’s syndrome.

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 2:12 pm

Totally!! I love these juxtapositions:
DrD vs ALV: DrD can answer Yes/No Q’s no problem and not be completely irrational about hypotheticals. Super obvious.
DrD vs Samuels: Whenever DrD had to retrieve something from her materials, like notes, or look something up within her notes, it was done with complete efficiency and competency. There’s no way this is lost on the jury.

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 9:08 pm

LOL! Just caught a clip of Perky saying “walking idiot” to Dr. D. I’ll bet if you look that up Perky’s picture is right beside it. Her cross of this witness certainly qualifies her for the title.

gooood morning Trace… or whatever the appropriate greeting is for you 🙂 Im in your next morning so getting in early 😀

You know the time continuum thing.. I’m in your future

NancyB

04/18/2013 at 9:18 pm

Do all of you think that JW truly believed that Walker no longer uses her own 6 criteria scale and was totally misinformed or that she was just trying to trip up and rattle Dr DeMarte by introducing this issue yesterday fully knowing that it had no basis in fact?

I’m thinking the later, because if it was the former and she had introduced inaccurate information in court, there is no way that she wouldn’t now know what Lenore Walker had to say about this on the NG show last night. If it was an error, wouldn’t she have told Dr DeMarte today that she was in error? I think it must have been calculated, which is playing dirty. Either way, she is lacking any moral compass.

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 9:36 pm

That’s an interesting question. Personally, I think she was misinformed because she was so misinformed on a wide range of the issues. I thought it very telling when JW asked Dr. D something (I think it was the about the MMPI test) and Dr. D said something like “You are misrepresenting the test (or something to that effect) and JW said “Well let’s do it anyways!” I thought that was very telling of her inexperience.

Personally I think Perky was so out of her depth she was grasping at anything. Blind Freddy could see this. So even a sniff of something seemed to turn her feral…. refer image Mickee D review yesterday.

Whether by design or otherwise she allowed HER subjectivity to turn her into a blathering idiot a la Dodgeridoodle and LaLa Toilette.

Alll seem so desperate to defend Jodistein at all and any cost, even their own credibility has been given.

Jodi sits there all “innocent” looking and they run around like busy santa’s little helpers happily destroying themselves on her behalf.

Jodistein knows all this, she’s acutely aware of what she is causing. These personality types are reknowned for the carnage they leave in their wake.

I realise legally the significance of duplicit or complicit is highly relevant and should indeed be established, however from a psychological viewpoint this is Jodi, it is the effect of her masterful and deliberate manipulation of anyone who offers her solace. Which is exactly why, contrary to Lala Land’s approach… you do NOT apologise, sympathise or empathise with extremely manipulative characters who lack a conscience. They WILL destroy you in the end.

Dance with the devil at your peril.

Do not hang with monsters; when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

kristin

04/18/2013 at 11:42 pm

Your last 2 statements are very powerful! Defense attorneys everywhere should heed this warning.

Grace

04/19/2013 at 12:02 am

Wow – Dance with the Devil at your peril – (can only nod in awe of those words)

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 2:23 pm

Ha! A friend of mine named Barbara Bentley write a book called “A Dance With the Devil” about being married to a psychopath who tried to kill her. In the 90’s, after he was convicted of attempted murder, she was ordered by a judge in CA to pay him spousal support and 1/2 her retirement. She is the 1st one to change CA law so that anyone convicted of attempted murder cannot receive spousal support or retirement benefits from their spouse. But the law was written narrowly and did not include any other crimes, like rape. So after it happened to me that I was ordered to pay my convicted husband spousal support, my retirement, plus his legal fees, I had to change the law to expand it to include anyone convicted of a violent sexual felony. Barbara Bentley was by my side throughout my efforts and helped me get my law passed. Her book is very good. I recommend it on Amazon for anyone interested. 🙂

Thank you for your recap! I haven’t gotten to my TiVo yet and after reading your wonderful summary and in addition, all the COMMENTS, I can’t wait to see what I missed!

Observer

04/18/2013 at 9:30 pm

The questions that the jurors asked DeMarte were completely different than the questions they asked Samuels and DeViolette.

Their questions showed they trusted DeMarte and wanted to know her opinion. I think she gave great answers, even to the off the wall question about the tiger and the bear.

My favorite questions were:

Do you feel “mark my words no jury will convict me” is part of Borderline Personality Disorder?

Do you think deleting the pictures and putting the camera in the washing machine was an effort to destroy evidence?

Do you consider Jodi Arias stabbing, shooting and slitting of Travis throat to be a traumatic event?

Jay

04/18/2013 at 9:56 pm

No, the Tiger/bear question may be problematic for the state. It was smartly phrased and encapsulated the rationalization Samuels presented to the jurors for accepting the PTSD test scores as valid, even if Arias substituted two ninjas for herself,. One juror at least may think it valid. And her answer about tigers and bears smelling different wasn’t that good. I was hoping for something better, as I stated above in #14

And there were two or three questions about Dr j’s experience/qualifications. She did OK on those, though Martinez had to rescue her with his follow up question to add some numbers to her previous answer to the juror.

Observer

04/19/2013 at 12:02 am

I’m not concerned because in the end the jury only has to decide if it is first degree murder or self defense. Even if a juror believes Jodi suffers from PTSD rather than BPD,
It has nothing to do with the killing.

Even by Jodi’s own story, it is not self defense because in Arizona, you can only use enough force to get away. She killed him three times over. She says he let her get up after he body slammed her, allowed her to get a gun out of the closet and that after she shot him, the last thing she remembers is Travis lying on the bathroom floor as she got up to go get the knife. She could have easily run out the door if that were true.

Her story goes against all the evidence at the crime scene and the medical examiner’s testimony that the gunshot had to be last because there was no bleeding of the brain, he couldn’t have gotten defensive wounds on his hands or fought back because the gunshot wound to the head would have incapacitated him. If she shot him first, there would have been no need to stab him at all.

DeMarte’s testimony only brought out that Jodi was the aggressor and that Travis Alexander only used angry words when he was fed up with her lies and her stalking of him.

I’m hoping the tiger/bear was just a simplistic question meaning, would your opinion/test results change if she said it was a tiger, but it really was a bear (or vice-versa) – and the answer would be yes, because the person who made the comment was LYING

Jim

04/19/2013 at 8:28 am

It goes well beyond smell – remember, they are talking about triggers relative to PTSD-type flashbacks. The animals look completely different; approach/attack completely differently; make different sounds; KILL differently – and she related the info without blinking an eye – very helpful, I think…

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 9:57 pm

That first question you listed was a favorite of mine as well. Didn’t Dr. D respond with “That shows her level of immaturity?. When they showed JA’s face you could almost feel the rage exuding from her.

kristin

04/19/2013 at 3:02 am

What did Dr. Janeen answer to the juror question about her “no jury will ever convict me” and bpl? I missed it! Please enlighten me! Thank u;)

Observer

04/19/2013 at 9:07 am

Dr. Demarte said it was typical of Borderline Personality Disorder.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:36 pm

I missed the first question you mentioned. What was the answer to “mark my words, no jury will convict me” re: BPD? I feel like that would be more indicative of antisocial personality disorder. Very curious to know what she said!

Willmott is playing extremely DIRTY!!! Talk about sounding “immature”, no wonder JA and JW r BBF’s! i can’t wait for this trial to end. I look so forward to seeing the look on JA and JW’s faces that day!! Priceless!!!!! worth a photo…………

Kristy

04/18/2013 at 9:37 pm

I think the best thing about deMarte was her goal of getting clarity to answer the questions as simply, accurately, and concisely as possible. I think it did not go well that she was on the stand for such a short time for the defense.

Allison

04/18/2013 at 9:38 pm

I can’t find the youtube trial part from today with Juan asking questions. Please help. I am going crazy not being able to watch it. Please, please, please, pretty please 🙂

Marilyn N

04/18/2013 at 9:45 pm

I thought it was just me – I can’t find it either.
Will go hunting again………😊

Allison

04/18/2013 at 9:50 pm

I have re-freshed this page a MILLION times hoping someone knew where it is. I am dieing !!!!!!

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 9:51 pm

I don’t think it’s been posted yet Allison. I just checked and don’t see any Day 51’s posted yet.

Kristy

04/18/2013 at 9:56 pm

You’ll be able to find it somewhere within the next day or two.

Allison

04/18/2013 at 9:57 pm

They are Day 50 part 1, part 2, part 3, and part 5 – but part 4 is the one with Juan . Thanks Ya’ll for trying to help me. I am still dieing tho’. 😦

Marilyn N

04/18/2013 at 10:01 pm

Tracey – it’s on under Day 50. (except for the missing Juan part…..)

Marilyn N

04/18/2013 at 10:00 pm

There is Day 50 part 1, 2, 3 and 5 so possibly we are missing part 4. (??)

Marilyn N

04/18/2013 at 10:03 pm

sorry Alli – see you already posted this info !!

Anonymous

04/18/2013 at 10:38 pm

Hi Allison: all 5 parts are on youtube. I did a search, ‘arias trial day 50’ and croakerqueen has all 5 parts there now.

kelleyyyy

04/18/2013 at 9:39 pm

Ok the spelling is off on her name.. but Dahila Dipolito from FL.. who hired hitman to kill her husband.. went up everytime there was a sidebar. I watched that whole trial and she always went. that’s where I got that from.

Tracey A

04/18/2013 at 10:14 pm

I’m familiar with this case although I didn’t watch it. But see upstairs a bit to Observer’s post currently #55. But as I recall, DiPolito was represented by counsel. So I don’t have a concrete answer for you here. 😦

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 2:34 pm

She could have been representing herself and had the other defense attorney present just to give her help. That happens. Courtroom rules vary from state to state. I love AZ and their rules about allowing victims to be present at all proceedings where the defendant is present. That is not common. When I was a rape victim in CA, I always felt in the dark. And when we finally got to trial after 10 defense delays and 2 1/2 yrs, I wasn’t even allowed to be present at the trial since I was a “witness” and had to testify. Even after I testified, I couldn’t attend since I was subject to recall. It drove me crazy. I felt like my life was on the line, and yet I wasn’t able to even witness the proceedings, or judge for myself how things were going, etc. I tried to see about changing that law here in CA, but everyone acts like I’m crazy to even think about it.

Anna

04/18/2013 at 9:52 pm

Allison :
I have re-freshed this page a MILLION times hoping someone knew where it is. I am dieing !!!!!!

what info are you looking for?

Allison

04/18/2013 at 9:58 pm

I am looking for youtube of today’s trial – where Juan is up asking questions.

I have croakerqueen part 1-3 but I don’t know whats on 3 at the moment.. remember Donchais’ days are one day ahead of Croaker queens day number so search for day 50 you may know this but just thought I’d double check

Bazzaro Arizona
Sophomore debate club captain and Homecoming Queen contender Jenny Wilmott inadvertently turned into a stellar asset for the prosecution today, when she continued her clumsy, snarky cross examination of psychologist Janeen DeMarte. Some of the highlights:

1. Shrill Empress of Smug Jenny is unexpectedly learning all kinds of things about psychology from DeMarte as a result of her own misinformed questions. So far she’s been schooled about licensing laws, testing methods, terminology, and manners. And Jenny no likey being corrected, especially by a professional whose cage cannot be rattled despite all her best sophomoric efforts. Who would’ve thought a clinical psychologist who understands the inner workings of the brain would know how to play an immature catty female like a fiddle? Derrrrrrp!

2. Not the hippocampus again…The word alone gives me painful flashbacks to Richard “Boss Hogg” Samuels’ traumatic testimony. Shudder. After a feeble attempt at sparring over brain chemistry, Jenny actually asked if Janeen ever examined Stabby’s hippocampus to determine if it was irregular. When Janeen answered no, Jenny implied it was somehow professionally irresponsible not to do so. Which is really ironic since her own expert didn’t do it either. Derrrrrrp!

3. Then the mad-cat-with-a-law degree climbed the walls shrieking for awhile over executive functions of the brain shutting down during trauma. During her utterly inept diatribe, she managed to establish (with attitude) not once, not twice, not “thrice,” but four whole times, that Stabby demonstrated higher level functions by cleaning up the crime scene, removing weapons, deleting pictures of Travis being killed, and throwing the camera in the washing machine to destroy evidence. Derrrrrrp!!

4. Then she contradicted her own client’s testimony. Stabby Einstein previously told the jury she “didn’t even remember pulling the trigger,” and that the gun just went off when she pulled it on a menacing Travis in the closet. Then the convenient fog immediately set in, and didn’t lift until hours later when Stabby noticed blood on her hand and (according to DeMarte) immediately concluded she murdered him. Whiny Wilmott whined whinily, “But she REMEMBERED having to shoot Travis, and him falling on top of her. So wouldn’t it be a logical conclusion?”

***Crickets***

Reeeeeaaaaally, Jenny? She REMEMBERS Travis falling on top of her? Thanks for that incriminating revelation that totally contradicts her amnesia blackout. Derpitty derrrrrp!!!!

5. When Jenny called the psychologist out into the schoolyard for a stern scolding over her BPD diagnosis, DeMarte calmly divulged a nice plethora of new examples to defend her assessment. Apparently Stabby had a number of phony jobs in her life. The creepiest: child caretaker. Just like her long lost twin sister Casey Anthony!! Derpitty derp derp derrrrrrrp!

6. Jenny must’ve gotten into some meth-laced catnip over lunch, because she really upped the b*tch switch when she got back. DeMarte brought up Stabby physically abusing her own mother, and Jenny hissed, “You just wanted to throw that out there, that she hit her mother?” The hypocrisy is rich, considering her entire case is “throwing things out there” about Travis. Herpitty derp derp derpitty derrrrp!

7. Since we’re on the topic of hypocrisy….So about that Valentine’s Day email Stabby Einstein authored, detailing her rage issues… According to Jenny the Intolerable, Janeen shouldn’t assume it was true, because she wasnt there when it was written to confirm context. But LaViolette can spend weeks on the stand doing that very thing to Travis. Herpa derpa der derpitty derp derrrrrrp!

8. Sometimes after listening to Jenny’s questions, DeMarte looks like she’s thinking, “Which one of us is stoned right now?”

OMG!! Observer (my apologies if OMG offends you…I will not use that with you anymore, just say the word) This post had me laughing hysterically. Great Snark here! Right from the beginning! Love it! LOL!!!

Observer

04/19/2013 at 12:38 am

It doesn’t offend me. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I think that writer is hysterical and right on the money. I read him every court day to get a good laugh.

shirley pare

04/19/2013 at 11:45 am

you are funny observer, derrrrrrp

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:43 pm

Ha ha, Stabby Einstein! Love it
BTW, this made me think of Wilmott’s idiotic simplification of the hippocampus (sp?) and memories coming in. Dr. Drew said it was a gross oversimplification. Since when did Wilmott become an expert in neuropsychology?

Also Boss Hogg! Love it!
I have a serious question-
Didn’t Jodi assault her mom as an adult when her mom came out to help her move from AZ back to CA? Why are we continually hearing the defense say Jodi only hit or kicked her mom when she was a teen without refutation?

[Preface: sarcasm and other things I know not of, to follow…please proceed with caution…sorry, but now feel the need to clarify before each anna spew for icky, sticky pc reasons…]

Dear Syntara, (and I apologize for that stupid intro…)

During my recent & recurring bouts of London pea soup, I’ve been wanting to tell you this:
I sent the link to that test you sent me to my oldest, & so-called most-trusted brother, who’s been bothering me beyond belief lately – ug. Guess what? He took it & sent me the FULL results! I’m so happy! **jumps up high in the air & clicks heels**
Anyway, no biggie here or anything ~ it’s just that you have helped me so much that I am now officially your cyberBFF; the one you sure as hell never bargained for! Unfortunately, and as you prob already know, I have a tendency to stick like tar. And even more unfortunate for you – – if I can get my mom to take this test and show me her FULL results, I’m movin’ to OZ with you! Always wanted to go to Sydney & many other places there anyways. Lastly, I hope that you will be the one who finally comes up with the definitive ‘How To Spot Psychos For Dummies!’ I’ll pre-order mine on Amazon!

Btw, my Dad 2.0 wants to know (as I’ve now dragged his sweet soul into the s**t that is this trial) – was the character in “Silence of the Lambs” a psycho? I said prob yes, he had to be, but for some reason that fog kicked in, and now I need your trained answer. I’m still training my fat brain on mother’s milk here, okay? Never even wanted to know about things like the jodie, but I’m stuck at the scene as are we all. Gasp, remember to breathe, etc…and repeat. Love to all out there, and always envision Justice For Travis!

Any reply from you Syn, would be greatly appreciated. Have you finished your swim yet? And also, whatever you went thru, I’m glad that you are in the profession you’re in! No career changes needed there, my friend. Thanks forever. 🙂 ~Anna

Actually no, the character Hannibal Lecter does not present as a psychopath.

He would score relatively low on the PCL-R oh probably 2 -3 times higher than a self actualised personality… but he appears to lack many of the necessary components to qualify him a psychopath.

While still falling under an Axis II criteria he leans far more towards schizotypal personality disorder.

Should you require more info plse contact me.

Yours sincerely,

Your new cyber BFF

Syn 😀

Anonymous

04/18/2013 at 11:47 pm

You are so cool. I can’t wait to tell my Dad 2.0 that you responded!! Thank you so much my Aussie friend 🙂

Anna

04/18/2013 at 11:56 pm

Sorry but that amazing technicolor phrase “schizotypal personality disorder” has me in fits of laughter.(is that wrong, LOL) Are you sure your not talking about me?? I’m googling that like now, in a minute, after I finish this. Thank you so much cyberBFF. Please know my front door is always open for you. 🙂

Anna

04/19/2013 at 12:03 am

Thank you so much, Syntara!!!! Oh, and I ALWAYS require more information (you know me better than that!)…that’s why I’ve tagged you for help with this s**t. And I swear, if you don’t send me a cyberbill I’m gonna get my feelings hurt big time…hehehehe 😀

Anna

04/18/2013 at 11:57 pm

btw, why am i still awake? thought i said i was going to sleep…

Anna

04/18/2013 at 11:12 pm

Trace, you still there? I’m thinking you better be…and hands on hops here…yes, hops! 🙂 [think the sandman is calling…very sleepy ya know? G’nite friend!] Catch yall’s in the am. Thank you so much for all the insight and hilarity!

Tracey A

04/19/2013 at 12:16 am

I’m still here Anna. Major computer problems have caused a big deficit for me here. Great! More to catch up on…ugh! I think I’m back now. Let’s see what happens! But I’m here for now…

mysillybone

04/18/2013 at 11:17 pm

If my comment earlier is still in moderation, please feel free to delete it because I believe that some other regular blog post participants have addressed what I was worried about. Thanks.

TexiBelle

04/18/2013 at 11:22 pm

I’ve been calling JW the “walking idiot” in my head all day after her using that phrase on cross. It suits her and I think I’ll keep doing it.

And today when she kept asking Dr. DeSmarty the same question over and over again because Dr. DS wouldn’t give an answer that helped the defense? I kept expecting the Walking Idiot to cross her arms, stamp her foot, and whine at the judge “Make her give the answer I want her to give!”

Her cross went back and forth from pathetic to insulting. Total fail.

Taffy Adler

04/18/2013 at 11:30 pm

Good observations. Too bad Dr. D couldn’t tie the Xmas tree to the lie Jodi told about sleeping on couch & holding hands with Travis for the jury. It would have been a good example of Jodi’s altered reality.

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 2:49 pm

DrD isn’t privvy to Jodi’s court testimony, so didn’t really know to tie those two things together. But perhaps the jury can put the two together on their own.

hottopic08

04/18/2013 at 11:47 pm

Since JW was so kind as to have Dr. DeMarte’s JA evaluation notes entered into evidence, will they be available to the jury to explore during deliberations? If so they will shed light on some things that were squashed by Ms. Willnotshutup’s objections.

Gawd… Wilmott is so ridiculous, seriously… Im watching and thinking… Martinez doesn’t even need to be there.. if the jury is even half witted they are realising she’s flailing and flopping like a fish out of water.

With WillNot making an ass out of herself at every turn you could write a daily essay but I love how you’re able to recap her most idiotic moments. After yesterday’s questioning, I didn’t think she could prove herself more ridiculous, but she proved me wrong, especially loved “so when someone’s not alive you can’t ask him anymore questions?”

Thanks for continuing to make me laugh

Tracey A

04/19/2013 at 12:08 am

OMG! I think I made it back! Testing 1,2,3. Any one….????

Anna

04/19/2013 at 12:23 am

what are you doing? don’t make me drive all the way to CA! 🙂 I’m supposed to be in bed asleep…ack

Tracey A

04/19/2013 at 1:01 am

Well I’m guessing you are driving in your sleep to meet me. BTW – don’t take I-40…that’s what got JA in trouble…just sayin’

Anna

04/19/2013 at 11:24 am

LOL 🙂 I’ve actually made the drive on I-10 all the way to Hermosa Beach…until CA, it is sooooooo boring….don’t ever do it if you don’t have to lol

Kristy

04/19/2013 at 12:11 am

Is it me or does it seem like the defense had ALV play bulldog vs JM for multiple reasons: 1) to make JM look like he’s a woman hater and 2) to minimize Jodi’s snarkiness towards JM? I think the defense thought they could get some sympathy because of JMs style.

Anna

04/19/2013 at 12:30 am

I know, but I think our Juan-tastic has an amazing ability to treat all witnesses the same…maybe my gut is wrong, but I’ve only seen a few DA’s like this.

Kristy

04/19/2013 at 12:37 am

I don’t watch many trials, but Juan is the man. He freaking rocks, and I’d want him to prosecute anyone that’s harmed someone I love. I would also hate to be on the other side if someone I love commits a crime.

Anonymous

04/19/2013 at 12:12 am

I think the tiger/bear thing was pro-ja but hopefully it came from an alternate who will not make it to deliberations. Also one juror can ask multiple questions so we don’t know how many jurors had questions. Wasn’t it telling that the jury had a few questions for Dr. D but over 100 for each of the defense clowns. I think ja ‘s behavior yesterday verified what Dr. D has been saying about immaturity and anger. I don’t like you so I’m going to color and not look at you. She’s how old? I don’t think JW saw what she was doing but even if she had there was no subtle way to stop her. I can only imagine what the jury was thinking.I’m sure JW confronted a hostile ja during the lunch break and she went into a tiff. She, with the Einstein IQ, is the best judge of what her demeanor should be. So she showed everyone who’s in control by faking a migraine.She believes she charms everyone she meets, I wonder if she knows that her bestie JW will move on to other cases after this is done and won’t give her the time of day. Also I’m sure jw will want to distance herself from this case asap. And we’ve heard how ja deals with abandonment
Did anyone notice ja’s big-girl hair and blouse today vs her junior high look yesterday. All along they’ve been trying to distance her from vixen in the photos and video’s by giving her a nerd look. Now they’re stuck with trying to have her give the appearance of maturety. One last thing, did anyone else notice ja”s mom totally cracking up today?

Laaaaaaaaawdd it 12:30pm here and Im watching willmott and it’s soooo painful!! She knows NOTHING about anything on this subject… I don’t get it… surely she was given this report.. ie knew of DeMarte’s conclusions long before trial even began? Is this correct??

Actually FOL.. I am in awe of DeMarte cos I would laughed in Perky’s face by now she is so ridiculous and errant in her questioning.

Family of Law

04/19/2013 at 2:14 am

Dr.D was so professional and showed amazing restraint by not breaking out in fits of laughter- on the other hand, Perky’s mannerisms of an uppity co-Ed and that voice of hers, combined with the most insip line of questions got on my last nerve… I love the Dr. D got some juicy tidbits of unheard testimony in, so it made it all worth it!

Kristy

04/19/2013 at 12:41 am

Yes, I thought that today. She wasn’t waiting with her testimony, although she had to counter what was said. I don’t know if she only knew the end result of DeMarte’s assessment, and was waiting to see what she had to counter. It doesn’t matter, she didn’t do a good job. I am still concerned over the tigers/bears question.

Anna, I absolutely loved this video for several reasons. I love country music, Brad Paisley, the desert and these adorable creatures. It is also a wonderful way to lift our spirits. It reminds us that despite the sorrow, there is also joy in life. Travis Alexander loved life and brought so much joy to his many friends and large family. Hopefully those memories will help them through their grief.

Anna

04/19/2013 at 11:40 am

Hi Observer….love, love, love Brad Paisley!! Have you seen this one:
(makes me leak happy tears every single time…)

Observer

04/19/2013 at 1:58 pm

Thaks, Anna. The second song was beautiful also. I hadn’t heard either.

Tracey A

04/19/2013 at 12:46 am

Observer :
It doesn’t offend me. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I think that writer is hysterical and right on the money. I read him every court day to get a good laugh.

ca

Thank you Observer!! Please bring some more of this. I LOVE it! The head cheerleader and sophomore debate queen. Beauty! Oh how I laughed on this one!!! ***crickets*** Catching a laugh yet again.

Joan C

04/19/2013 at 12:52 am

I have come late to the trial, unaware of how compelling Martinez has made this pitiful waste of time & AZ taxpayers $$. I mute tv when WillNOT is on, if not turn off. She is so inept at imitating those she must admire-her “mini-martinez”is so transparent- if I cared, I might almost be embarassed for her. For once though, she is quite entertaining as she stumbles over her own words & gets lost in zingers she fails to launch at witness-it’s comical-too bad you didn’t quote those-albeit difficult to catch quotes when she appears to burrow into the ground & then forget what she was doing there. WillNOT is 1 of most unprofessional, amateurish attys I’ve ever seen on tv-she almosts jumps out of her shoes if she thinks she made a mini martinez point-but she’s the only one who gets it-or do you? she is so eager to please-herself for the most part.

I do go on-she makes me nuts but I do enjoy her pseudo intellectualism-revealing an iq much lower than her lowly “client”-did she have to prove “expertise”??. It’s not generally smart to try to “over- expert” someone in their own field-she knows zippo about psych stuff-shes sits next to a sociopath everyday & prides herself on her lame efforts to pass her off as a battered woman. Please, go back to grade school & grow up a little-stop embarassing your family & friends like that-you seem not to know how desperate it looks.

The hamster wheel of insanity continues to spin this week in the Jodi Arias trial, because why not? It’s fueled by the never ending supply of narcissistic delusion humming in cartoonish waves from the defense table. Here’s the latest mind numbing developments:

1. Half of Monday was flushed down the toilet so Heavy D Nurmi could induce a wave of eyerolls around the world with his latest nonsensical mistrial motions. Sporting a nifty metallic blue shirt (that should have come with a space helmet, or at least a fish bowl over his head), the overgrown crybaby blamed all his woes on Juan “The Prosecutor” Martinez. According to the whiny space cadet, Martinez was a big meanie to Boss Hogg impersonator Richard Samuels. He also pissed and moaned (again) about Juan’s squeeing groupies outside the courthouse. Basically, every problem under the sun is barky Martinez’s fault, and the defense deserves a do-over. DENIED and DENIED said the judge four hours later. But Heavy D and Jenny squeezed another $1200 out of Arizona taxpayers in the process, so I guess it was all worth it.

2. Stabby Einstein’s moronic tweets via surrogate also came up. Lobotomized Heavy D argued (with a straight face) that her First Amendment rights allow her to dig her own grave in cyberspace. Yes, according to her own attorney, abused, meek, passive victim Arias SHOULD be able to lash out at any and all critics online. Because that’s what all battered women do these days. Tweet away, A$$hat, tweet away…

3. Juan really enjoys talking about himself in the third person. It reminds me of that “Jimmy” episode of Seinfeld. I keep expecting him to shout, “The Prosecutor’s gittin’ upset!!!”

4. Team Cosmonaut dropped some acid and blew up the pupil area of the last picture of Travis. Then they plopped down in beanbag chairs and tripped balls for awhile staring at it. After ruling out Jesus tapdancing atop a peacock feather, Snow White suffering a beating at the hands of Grumpy, Esteban Flores doing the Charlie Chaplin walk, and a snarling Juan on a choke collar, these brainiacs determined it clearly shows a reflection of UNARMED maiden Arias snapping a picture. Okey dokey, but how long does Nurmi think it takes to grab a knife from one’s back pocket? Her a$$ isn’t exactly three axe handles wide.

5. The long awaited magic words finally reached our ears: “The Defense Rests.” A collective sigh of relief swept the globe. But we still have Heavy D’s closing argument to cringe about. Hopefully he wont perform the In Living Color theme song, with Jenny and Jodi as fly girls.

6. A mysterious bald spot has appeared on the crown of Jenny Wilmott’s head. Did she and her psycho My Twin doll Jodi get into a hairpulling fight over the weekend? I’m guessing it was over irreconcilable costume differences, because they don’t match today. Either that, or Jodi threw a legendary temper tantrum over losing valuable airtime to a terrorist attack yesterday.

7. Juan “The Prosecutor” Martinez began his rebuttal with a (sober) psychologist to refute Dynamic Duo Samuels and LaViolette’s wacky assessment of Jodi as a traumatized victim. According to Janeen DeMarte, who is clearly not from Pinellas or Wonderland, The Ugly Betty impostor has Borderline Personality Disorder. Borderliners are angry, manipulative, impulsive, insecure stalkers terrified of abandonment. Yup. Sounds right.

8. Jenny kept glaring at DeMarte as if the psychologist was threatening to steal her Homecoming Queen crown. She often rested her chin in her palm, showing off her super professional red-tipped manicure like bloody talons, while Jodi furiously scribbled away next to her. Nobody puts Stabby in the corner on Jenny’s watch!

9. As we all know, Valentine’s Day is traditionally a time to write about your explosive anger, and how it drives you to punch walls, bust down doors, and generally freak the hell out after receiving a romantic gift from a lover. Cupid HEARTS violence. Why else would he have all those arrows?

10. De Marte calls shenanigans on Jodi’s fog, because since when do traumatized amnesiacs see “a little bit of blood” on their hands and immediately conclude they murdered someone? You
mean to tell me this pathological liar and butcher was DISHONEST about blacking out during the crime? Color. Me. Shocked.

“Knowing you were going to reference this email in your diagnosis of [BPD] you didn’t talk to Jodi about it right?”

Oh now Dr DeMarte is supposed to talk to Jodi to clarify or she can have no idea about email content.

Ummmmm did LaLa talk to Travis and do that with any of her 45678 day testimony in which she “diagnosed” him as a high level domestic Violence Perpetrator?

Willmott you complete air-head, walking idiot,……. you just invalidated La Violette’s testimony you freakin nutjob! Your own freaking witness!!!! FFS are you ever going to get a clue??? Suppose it doesn’t matter cos, in regards to credibility she’s already been blown into orbit anyhow. But seriously… should you have done this to your own witness?

Vid (2) around 8:20.

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 1:05 am

hey all.. found something interesting. watch this interrogation video. #17… she is writing with her right hand the whole time. in court she is left handed.. could this be her writing that was brought up today on Samuels report thing? the different handwriting?

kristin

04/19/2013 at 3:09 am

Keen eye you’ve got!

TexiBelle

04/19/2013 at 10:13 am

She said during her testimony that she can write with either hand. I have a friend who’s ambidextrous, and while one hand is easier to write with, her writing doesn’t appear radically different from hand to hand.

kk taking a time out.. need to go wash this bile off me… Willmott is making me feel fetid.

See you all soon!

***waves***

Moon

04/19/2013 at 2:16 am

with the exception of the bear/tiger ? (perhaps) … i thought the ?s of the jurors were begging her to get on with premeditation facts. feels to me like they want this point driven home to seal the deal!

Moon

04/19/2013 at 2:18 am

i also think that if whiner would have sat down right after ?ing and taken the test… her anger and irritability would have flown off the charts…
she tried too hard to fluster jd and it was great watching that blow up in her face!

Tracey A

04/19/2013 at 2:22 am

Where the hell is Jim??? I need the courtroom couture back again!!! Jim! Where are you???? We need you here!

Anonymous

04/19/2013 at 2:43 am

Tracey A — are you there, girl?

Schaeffer

04/19/2013 at 2:44 am

Tracey A — are you here, friend?

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 2:46 am

Hi Tracey! I’ve been missing Jim too!!

Schaeffer

04/19/2013 at 2:54 am

Calling on Syn, Tracey, Nancy B and my other regular cohorts — when did Dr. DeMarte say (paraphrasing) “I couldn’t question Mr. Alexander because he is dead.”? Even a rough estimate of time would help. tx

Thank you — I cannot believe JW managed to steer the line of questioning to that answer, but did so repeatedly!

kristin

04/19/2013 at 3:14 am

Does anyone know why court is out until Tuesday? Have a great weekend everyone and ttyl:)

Schaeffer

04/19/2013 at 3:26 am

Court is always dark on Friday, and a juror has a previous commitment on Monday the 22nd. Last week, they did have court on Friday, and they are trying to get some more Fridays scheduled to get this trial over with, but there was a conflict for Friday of this week.

OK My time out has ended… spent a relaxing afternoon partaking in various activities to get rid of the Wilma/Perky/Walking idiot stench and I’m back. About to embark on a mini project that Anna has given me an idea for.

It’s the Hannibal Lector vs Jodi Arias review… who win’s on the psychopathy scale. (I think we all know the answer to this one… but I’m actually going to score it out for yas step by step.

To this point I have not actually scored Jodi [what we know of her] so even for me this is going to be an eye opener one way or the other.

So stay tuned. It will take a bit of time to do thoroughly but I promise I’ll be back with the results when I have them formulated.

I just read on Twitter that the State wants to call Lenore Walker to testify on Tuesday. The DT is attempting to block. Unknown on what grounds. Posted by mike Hugh’s. if I had more advanced skills, I would provide actual post here on this site. I am no Chrissie, Syn, or any of the other skillful bloggers.
I haven’t had a chance to read the posts yet so if this has been posted already, my apologies

Hey Syn, good morning or rather good evening to you! I don’t see what the legal grounds would be to block this testimony although I!m not a legal eagle. It should be very interesting…in the category of AWESOME! I hope this is true..I think it is.

I think it makes sense. Juan would want to protect his Witness’ integrity he will probably use her again she is excellent. He would not want that hanging over head. While I’m certainly no legal spokesperson from a standpoint of rationality it is seems logical to me.

The mythical characters Jodistein and Hannibal Lecter meet head to head in a battle to determine “Who is REAL Psychopath?”. Let’s take a look see shall we?

Jodistein Vs Hannibal Lector on the psychopathy scale.

Dr Robert Hare’s PCL-R is a checklist that is frequently used by forensic psychiatrists to make a clinical diagnosis of psychopathy.

The checklist contains 20 items, and each item is scored on a three point scale, 0 (does not apply), 1 (is partially applicable), or 2 (is fully applicable).

Here is the checklist with item scores for Hannibal [Lecter] and Jodistein:

GLIB and SUPERFICIAL CHARM – the tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, slick, and verbally facile. Psychopathic charm is not in the least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A psychopath never gets tongue-tied. They have freed themselves from the social conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.

Lecter: Charming, but not glib; usually abides by social conventions; is not rude. Score: 1

Jodistein: Charming, glib, usually abides by social conventions, over talks example – Interrogation video (2) with Dr Flores. Despite being under arrest she clearly and forcefully steers the conversation
Score: 2

2 GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH – a grossly inflated view of one’s abilities and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. Psychopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human beings.

Lecter: Polite, not a braggart; realistic estimate of his own abilities. Score: 1

Jodistein: Apparently proficient at everything and claims her IQ is greater than Einstein Score: 2

3 NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM – an excessive need for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and doing things that are risky. Psychopaths often have a low self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because they get bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length of time, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull or routine.

Lecter: High level of self-discipline; takes only calculated risks; sees tasks through to the completion Score: 0

Jodistein: Easily bored reference Video where Travis is relating his life threatening encounter and her courtroom antics. rarely sees tasks through to their completion – diary entries prove this in her own words and many examples such as the U-haul incident, unstable job history. Score 2

4 PATHOLOGICAL LYING – can be moderate or high; in moderate form, they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous, manipulative, and dishonest.

Lecter: Manipulative; lies to protect his identity, but prefers to confront people with the truth about themselves. Score 1

5 CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS – the use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one’s victims.

Lecter: Little interest in defrauding people for personal gain; lack of concern about his victims. Score: 1

Jodistein: Defrauds everyone many examples most glaring lying in court, lying in police interrogation, lying on documentary interviews. Laughs when she lies about slaughtering a human being she professes to love and exploits the situation to conjure a self defense excuse. Calls her innocent victim a paedophile and ruthlessly sits in court watching the grief sticker family, Appears to enjoy their suffering or at least disregard it. Score: 2

6 LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT – a lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, cold-hearted, and unempathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one’s victims.

9 PARASITIC LIFESTYLE – an intentional, manipulative, selfish, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete responsibilities.

Jodistein: Many instances of irritability, annoyance, impatience (looks bored in court most of the time), threatens various people and prosecutor to accept plea bargain or she will conduct character assassination of Travis in open court.
Crime scene shows she acts hastily when confronted with unforeseen events. makes many decisions she later regrets, tweets various comments and sketches court participants who anger her, acts without thinking of consequences. Score: 2

11 PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR – a variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.

Lecter: No interest in sex. Score: 0

Jodistein: Seems to have multiple sex partners, uses sex as a tool of manipulation, takes pride in discussing sexual exploits and conquests in interrogation interviews and open court. Score: 2

Jodistein: Inability to plan anything successfully. Plans to plan but can never follow through. Murder was the only plan she followed through and the plan was so restricted she failed at every part of it except, sadly, the actual murder itself. Score 2

14 IMPULSIVITY – the occurrence of behaviours that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation, frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and reckless.

15 IRRESPONSIBILITY – repeated failure to fulfil or honour obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, and failing to honour contractual agreements.

Lecter: Fulfils his commitments; meticulous worker. Score: 0

Jodistein: Always borrowing money, absent from work when she couldn’t locate Travis, disregards appointments if not suitable to her Score: 2

16 FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS – a failure to accept responsibility for one’s actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate others through this denial.

Lecter: Has no problem acknowledging responsibility for his actions; just doesn’t see anything wrong with them. Score: 0

Jodistein: Seems to totally lack any form of responsibility, even for the heinous murder. External blame, internal justifications for her actions. Score: 2

17 MANY SHORT-TERM MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS – a lack of commitment to a long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliable commitments in life, including marital.

Lecter: No interest in relationships. Score: 0

Jodistein: Many short term relationships – longest 4 years. Leaves relationship as soon as better prospect available. No commitment to relationship beyond selfish goal. Score: 2

18 JUVENILE DELINQUENCY – behaviour problems between the ages of 13-18; mostly behaviours that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous, ruthless tough-mindedness.

Lecter: Committed sporadic serious crimes, but not on a routine basis. Score: 1

On the PCL-R test, the average score for people without a criminal background is 5
the average score for non-psychopathic criminals is 22
The threshold score for a diagnosis of psychopathy is 30
Maximum score is 40.

Hannibal Lecter Score : 11

Jodistein: 38 😯

Wendy

04/19/2013 at 10:02 am

wow!!

Anna

04/19/2013 at 10:39 am

This is fantastic Syn! How long did this take to do? I think you nailed everything about the jodistein…38??? egad! I can now aver I like Hannibal more than jodie and have proof to back it up…lol. Can’t wait to tell Dad 2.0. Thanks CBFF!

I’m worried about you. Assuming the weather is decent where you are, and this is in effect the start of a four day ‘holiday’ weekend from Arias-et.al. I’d hope you’d be lolling around a pool with a martini glass in your hand, or at the golf course, with a martini glass in your hand, or at minimum relaxing listening to music or watching a movie, with two or three martinis lined up in a glass next to your chair.

Remember: obsession is one of the first steps toward madness. I’d hate to have to scrimp up the dough to travel to Australia to visit you in a padded cell and suffer the guilt of drinking the martinis I brought with me because you’re wrapped in a straight jacket and can’t hold the glass yourself.

Relax and have a good time: your pal, Jay-Obsessed-With-Martinis

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HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 12:03 pm

This is great — thanks. I especially appreciate the fuller explanation of each item. This is why we really missed you yesterday, like when Gidget tried to make WOBO’s low self-esteem out to be something like lacking self worth when it really was lacking self-understanding (or something like that).

HJ Madison :
This is great — thanks. I especially appreciate the fuller explanation of each item. This is why we really missed you yesterday, like when Gidget tried to make WOBO’s low self-esteem out to be something like lacking self worth when it really was lacking self-understanding (or something like that).

No that’s not self esteem. That, as Dr Demarte endeavoured to point out, refers to identity. Let me try to explain in relation to Jodistein.

Everyone seems to be now clear with her mimcry. How she copies those around her. First Wilma (aka walking idiot) now she seems to be copying Dr Janeen with setting her hair behind her ears, moving her bangs to the side etc.

Remember how she suddenly became a mormon when she met Travis?

This is what that refers to. Many people outside the field of pscyhology misunderstand ego as Carl Jung defined it. Wilma in her total ignorance simply refused to allow Dr Demarte to explain it. Probably, primarily because it suited her to do so.

Ego does not mean the same as narcissistic self. It deals with self actualisation, self awareness, sense of self, concept of self.

Jodistein has abosolutely no sense of a real self. She’s empty inside she just morphs into whatever she thinks best suits the situation. You see her in court. She kind of looks like an empty shell most of the time. Scribbling or drawing or just looking around. She exudes that emptiness.

That is what it refers to. Having an identity and owning it.

It’s basically the antithesis of the Socrates concept “The unexamined life is not worth living”.

She has no concept of that, which is why she scores low on that scale.. that’s why she feels empty. She ostensibly has nothing to examine. Conversely, it’s what she covets most.
Which is why she mimics. She somehow thinks if she mimics it she will become it.

Not sure if that’s clear. Most of us take a sense of self for granted consequently, like so many of the characteristic Jodistein exhibits, it is very hard to understand.

Anna

04/19/2013 at 1:44 pm

also, what if she WAS secretly coveting witchcraft…imho, that would be more data to enter into her overall icky pattern. I forgot about something I found a while back….I’ll look for it later and post.
btw, I just found this nice acronym on another site and was scratching my head as to why someone on OUR site hasn’t come up with this (unless, of course, I just missed it…), and that is: ROFLMAOPMP = rolling on floor, laughing my ass off, peeing my pants. Have I just been cat napping?

Jim

04/19/2013 at 6:45 pm

ok – this post is going in the mail to LaLa as well – with a note that says “This test (and your academic restrictions on being able to administer such) is the precise reason why you should not have been a witness in this matter”

Wasn’t Bobby Juarez into being a vampire? Was that when Jodi was into witchcraft? First of all, who wants a vampire boyfriend? And didn’t they live in his parents’ house? Real nice. She’s a winner.

Observer

04/19/2013 at 8:59 am

The importance of Dr. Janeen DeMarte’s professional, objective, logical, common sense testimony was that she put the focus back on who is on trial and Jodi’s aggressive, violent behavior so the jury could see she is capable of butchering Travis in a rage one minute and act normal the next . DeMarte didn’t show any bias for Jodi or Travis. She admitted Travis’s name calling was wrong but said he only did it in reaction to Jodi’s repeated lying to him and stalking him.

She pointed out that Travis Alexander was dead and she couldn’t interview him and so she interviewed his brother. She also watched interrogations of Jodi’s behavior to determine her rages like kicking her mother and lying were a pattern in childhood.

Dr. DeMarte brought out bizarre behavior by Jodi that we had never heard before. Especially significant was the fact that Jodi had admitted in a text message to Travis that she went into rages, punched walls and kicked doors. This message was sent on Valentine’s Day, Feb. 14, 2007, the same day she testified he sent her the shirt and shorts with his name on them and Spiderman underwear.

Another significant fact was that after Travis’s Memorial Service Jodi obtained the phone number of a man she met on the plane and called him. This coupled with the fact that she was making out with Ryan Byrnes hours after murdering Travis is typical of a cold blooded murderer rather than a grieving girlfriend who was forced to kill the man she loved in self defense.

Hiding behind Travis’s Christmas tree and stealing his ring also showed she was not a subservient battered woman who just did what Travis told her to do to please him but a stalker who was obsessed with controlling his life.

Her testimony of Jodi’s rages coupled with Mimi and Lisa testimony that Jodi stalked him and Travis never got angry at them when they broke up with him and never abused them or forced sex on them and the medical examiner’s testimony of the 29 stab wounds to his heart, chest, back, neck, legs, feet, hands, slit throat and bullet in the head shows the jury who is the violent one in the relationship.

I wanted to ask Wilmott if “it shows low self-esteem” for Jodi to call a man she just met on a flight home from Travis’ memorial service. I get the feeling that it is always Jodi doing the calling…that the concept of waiting for a man to call her is foreign to her. To me, that doesn’t show low self-esteem. It also doesn’t show much class, but that’s a whole other story.

Kathy A.

04/20/2013 at 10:51 am

Exactly, and it seems like Jodi is always chasing down one ex-boyfriend after another. They don’t seem to be making plans to spend with her and making an effort to go see her, Jodi is always just showing up at their homes and continues to call and message them. Can’t let go of anything.

Marilyn N

04/19/2013 at 9:25 am

I get the feeling that JA is loving this whole process. After all, she is controlling her
defense team and is “famous” all over the world, and look how much money is being spent in her honor!! She can play sick whenever she feels
like it, etc, etc. In prison she will go headfirst into her appeals, probably studying all she
can in the prison law library and will play whatever person she needs to be.
And if she were to get the needle some day, she can say that’s what she wanted anyway,
and how nice, now she doesn’t have to go the route of slitting her own wrists with razor blades or some other painful method. It’s all a win win for her.
The best would be for her to sit in isolation. Then she might starve herself to death,
and by the looks of her now, she has a good start on that!!

I think you’re probably right, unfortunately. She must love being the center of attention. What she doesn’t love, however, is the revelations Dr. D made on the stand that “outed” her for the despicable person she is. You could tell by her face that she was seething inside. I agree, isolation would be the best punishment for her.

Moon

04/19/2013 at 9:59 pm

no doubt! a guest on HLN last nite even called HLN the “jodi arias channel” the ho really believes she’s famous

Wendy

04/19/2013 at 10:07 am

Good Morning!! Thanks Donchais for all you do. Great recap. I just tried to watch the video where Dr. Demarte said she couldn’t talk to Travis because he wasn’t alive. I started getting angry all over again, and had to turn it off. Missed a lot yesterday so I’m so glad for this blog to keep me updated. Syn may I ask what you do?

someone was asking about the “I can’t do that he’s not alive” reference FYI just to not it here its around the 15min mark croakerqueen vid 3

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 11:22 am

Hi Syn! Gees were you missed yesterday! So many little tidbits came out during JM’s re-direct … and then there was Gidget’s use of the test results (well, misuse). I am anxious to read what you have upstairs — hope you saw my thanks for the long Hughes explanation. I spent the evening with the police vids. JA is creepy!

Wendy

04/19/2013 at 10:40 am

I’m leaving for a while.(got to get some things done). Have a great day everyone. I will be checking in later..

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 11:01 am

Morning all! I’m constantly amazed that the defense can continually and vigorously and with straight faces present the PTSD sham to these jurors. Think about it – Who with PTSD could ever return to Travis’ house for a memorial service and seemingly, from many observers who attended, be emotionless and blank? During the police interrogation she asked Det Flores to see the crime scene pictures 3 separate times and the lady detective once, all out of “morbid curiosity”. These 2 incidents alone debunk that ridiculous defense excuse.

Marilyn N

04/19/2013 at 12:10 pm

I’m sure this has been discussed thoroughly, but she was probably at the memorial
to show she was not involved, and to scope out everyone to see if they were suspicious.
But oh, I almost forgot, she really didn’t know she was involved due to the PTSD!!

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:51 pm

Yes, Nancy! I wish Demarte had mentioned the police interrogation video in which she actually wants to see the photos. That is a great catch!

Good morning all:) Does anybody have and info re: this “special” Friday hearing with the DT and Prosecution?

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 12:10 pm

Nooooo …. what did you hear? Maybe it is about the earlier post that supposedly JM wants to call Lenore Walker as part of rebuttal??? I don’t know if that is confirmed.

Family of Law

04/19/2013 at 2:17 pm

I hope it is Lenore Walker- I know some people don’t think it’s necessary, due to Juan’s clearing it up yesterday with Dr. D- However, I wouldn’t be surprised if he still does want Lenore to take the stand because 1.) it would be very effective in embarrassing Perky Whiner- and vividly demolish her attempt to discredit Dr.D. 2.) Not only did Dr. Walker state on NG that she does still use her 6 point criteria, Dr. Walker said that SHE sees NO evidence that JA is a victim of DV or Battered Woman Syndrome, IMHO- that’s HUGE.

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 12:20 pm

morning all! yes.. just heard there is a special hearing.. should start in about 20 minutes

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 3:11 pm

I think Lenore Walker would be huge cuz it would be akin to impeaching a witness. Basically, Wilmott was practically testifying yesterday with her questions. And if Lenore can impeach Wimott on what she was saying, and saying emphatically, it would allow the jurors to throw out everything Wilmott says if they choose.

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 12:21 pm

we may be able to watch.. court seal is showing

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 12:25 pm

Oh gees ….. Now HLN has the courtroom symbol up ….. probably one of these ….. judge tells us who is present and then says to the lawyers “approach”. And it is over, leaving us to obsess for another 4 days…..

Just got confirmation that the hearing will be closed so it will not be televised. We will bring you the results after it is

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:23 pm

These are the questions I would have asked Dr. Demarte if I were on the jury:
Syntara, I’d appreciate getting your answers for these. Anyone else feel free to weight in as well.
1. Can someone have a flat affect, lack of remorse, and/or lack of conscience and still be diagnosed with BPD?
2. Do all people with BPD have aggressive tendencies?
2. Does a BPD diagnosis preclude a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder?

I would have asked her these questions:
1. If you’re not married, what are you doing this weekend?
2. Do you like to dance with tall men check-to-cheek?
3. Do you take your box-car martinis with olives or lime slices?
I’d save the more important questions for later…

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 12:41 pm

🙂

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:45 pm

LOL Jay! Dream on!

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 1:08 pm

What is a box-car martini like? Not my usual libation.

Anna

04/19/2013 at 1:30 pm

oooooo [singing out, like a tattle-tail brat, in the playground] ‘Jay has a crush, Jay has a crush’….are you anywhere near AZ? I mean, as Steven Wright said, “Everything is within walking distance if you have the time.” 😀

Here in Holly-voood it’s like a double-pour martini, half goes into the martini glass, and the rest into a ‘box-car’ or ‘bucket’ glass served with it. You only see it served in old-time bars that have been around a long time, like Musso & Frank’s on Sunset Blvd,where you still run into movie and tv actors, and writers, and long-time neer-do-wells like me and my buddies who have been frequent pests there for decades.

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 12:40 pm

Great questions, Lisa. I remember Dr D mentioned that JA has a “floating profile”. I’m not positive but I think that my mean that other PD’s dovetail with the BPD. Having 7 out of the 10 scales elevated in the overall scoring of the MMPI leads me to believe that the BPD diagnosis does NOT preclude a diagnosis of ASPD. I don’t care what she was diagnosed with, I will always believe that she is ASPD-P (psychopath) I have absolutely no background in this field so this is just my opinion and not based on any significant knowledge base, as Syn’s comments are.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:47 pm

I agree with you Nancy – as a layperson also of course. The 48 Hour video, the interrogation videos, the flat affect, the way she sits there like a lizard in her lair (not that lizards actually have lairs!) coldly glancing over at the distraught family. So obvious she has no conscience and no remorse.

1. Affect can be blunted or inappropriate with BPD, lack of conscience and without conscience can be viewed differently. The former can be diminished or ignoring your conscience. Without conscience is simply not having one.

2. Generally no. Generally they hurt themselves rather than others which is why I’m not happy with this diagnosis for Jodi but I do understand it.

3. BPD and ASPD are both axis II diagnoses and share a number of the same traits. Many believe it was created simply because of reluctance to diagnose females as sociopaths. Controversy within psychiatry and psychology circles has been going on for years over BPD. Some suggest it should:

1) Actually be ASPD as it was before it’s inception or 2) Be renamed and redefined to make the diagnosis less blurred.

As is it stands it’s a current diagnosis that will continue to be controversial in some circles.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 2:22 pm

Thanks Syn. Your answer to number 2 is helpful, because the woman I knew who I believe is BPD didn’t have aggressive tendencies towards others, didn’t lash out at people in that way, but was passive aggressive and definitely didn’t respect boundaries. Back then we didn’t have FB or even email (it was in the late 80s, early 90s) but I can’t really imagine her hacking into emails, she wasn’t devious like that, but she’d do things like jump into bed with her roommate’s boyfriend and then act like it was an innocent friendship and how could anyone else thing otherwise?

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 12:25 pm

im inclined to think it is HJ Madison … she said to the world she DOES use those 6 things. JM needs to impeach JW …if one can do such a thing

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 12:42 pm

Who is HJ Madison, Kelleyyy?

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 12:54 pm

Nancy … I don’t think kelleyyy has a reply button??? Kelleyyy is that right??? So, she was trying to tell me she agreed with my guess that the hearing is to permit JM to call Lenore Walker for the limited purpose of asking if she still uses her 6 criteria. My guess anyway …..

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 12:56 pm

Because Lenore Walker was on Nancy Grace this week and said, for all to hear, she does still use her criteria.

Observer

04/19/2013 at 12:30 pm

I couldn’t find the rebuttal witness list on the Internet but if I recall correctly, the state plans to call:

1-A representative from the Cancun trip company where Travis won the trip 18 months before he was killed to prove motive by testifying that originally Travis had Jodi Arias’s name on the ticket and took it off and put Mimi Hall’s name in her place.

2-A Wal-Mart representative to prove pre-meditation by testifying that Jodi never returned the third gas can.

3-A Salt Lake gas station representative to prove pre-meditation by testifying that gas was only sold when Jodi filled up the car tank and three gas cans after the murder.

4-A police detective to prove pre-meditation by testifying that none of the knives found in Travis’s house were the murder weapon and the shell casing found at the crime scene matched the .25 caliber bullets found at Jodi’s parents home.

5-Friends of Travis Alexander to rebutt Jodi’s testimony that Travis owned a gun, was abusive and a pedophile and to describe what they witnessed in the relationship between Travis and Jodi.

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 12:47 pm

Hi Observer!
I think that I heard about the ME being added. This was a few weeks back. Do you have any memory of this?

No, I don’t but I hope Martinez recalls Dr. Horne to prove the killing couldn’t have occurred the way Jodi testified and Flores to refresh the jury’s memory that Jodi told Flores right after the body was found that Travis did not own a gun.

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 12:50 pm

IMHO Completely agree, except for #5. And I would add a compter expert to talk about WOBO’s “Breaking and entering” activity on the facebook, cell phone, email accounts and may have sent emails from TA’s account to herself.

I think #5 would be nice, but several already testified and they would be needlessly exposed to snarky cruel remarks by the DT, like: You knew TA well? We know he liked little boys, did you know this? Did you know he liked anal sex? Just not enough to gain … except maybe the guy who said TA did not own a gun and borrowed his all the time.

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 1:05 pm

Thanks for reminding me – the IT specialist is on the list! Maybe we’ll finally find out what’s on JA’s “supposedly” fried hard drive that the police found in her storage locker.

Observer

04/19/2013 at 1:20 pm

That isn’t a guess. Joseph Medford and Dave Hall are scheduled to testify.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 12:33 pm

Some of my favorite moments during Thursday’s testimony.
DeMarte saying that she couldn’t ask Travis follow-up questions because he’s not alive.

Arias’ PTSD score is completely invalid because of her lying on it.

Travis angry or “mean” words towards Jodi occurred because she had invaded his privacy and/or lied to him

Jodi’s conversion to the Mormon faith is attributable to her identity issues

I know there were many more, like the mention of the ring, etc.

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 12:35 pm

Well here is my thought …. Defense is going to fight like hell to keep it out. Then JM will say he only wants to ask her 1 question: Do you still use your 6 criteria in the diagnosis of battered woman syndrome? No need to qualify her as an expert …. no need to give DT time to prepare ….. just one question …..l this could be wonderful and will make Gidget look like an idiot!

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 12:54 pm

Hi HJ Madison – Now I know who you are! So pls ignore my question upstairs. I really do not think that the defense would be successful in keeping Lenore Walker from being called to testify. JW opened the door wide open when she aggressively berated Dr D for “not knowing that Walker no longer uses her own 6 step criteria” when that information she had failed to accurately button up, before she attempted to impeach Dr D is not accurate. If this is what the hearing is about today, I don’t see that the defense has a leg to stand on.

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 1:04 pm

Oh totally agree! Talk about ineffective council! That is my worry now. That idiot opened the door to Lenore Walker AND all those juicy tidbits we had never heard …. because she pressed so hard for examples and then …. idiot ….. then she went thru the tests hit by hit which allowed JM to re-direct with all that came out. Now they will argue on appeal that yesterday alone turned the trial…. thanks to Gidget’s idiocies. Almost seemed intentional. Thank heaven it will never work on appeal but it will give the WOBO her reason for conviction.

Observer

04/19/2013 at 1:44 pm

Nancy, I don’t think Lenore Walker will be called to testify because Martinez already cleared up the misconception that Walker nop longer uses the 6 point program. In re-direct, Martinez asked DeMarte, “You know Lenore Walker still uses her six point program?” and she said, “Yes.” He then asked DeMarte to list the 6 points and state why Jodi does not fit the battered woman’s syndrome.

TexiBelle

04/19/2013 at 2:04 pm

I hope they don’t they call her. Dr. D held her ground, and calling in yet another person to go tit for tat on every last point will not only further drag out this already too-long trial, but will place undue importance on that point. It wasn’t the crux of her testimony.

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 12:35 pm

maybe she became human over nite and decided to take a plea deal…odds are truly against it.. but still.. i’d hope it is rejected.. she deserves the DP

Observer

04/19/2013 at 1:54 pm

Martinez doesn’t take plea deals. In 2011, she tried to plead to second degree. Martinez wouldn’t consider it. In Arizona, the prosecutor can go through four juries to get the death penalty and he won’t take any less.

@dirkdiggler1 No one is certain what the hearing is about yet. Judge is not releasing any details.

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 12:46 pm

I would love that!! How could you face the jury after something like that?.. maybe she will get the migraine next

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 12:49 pm

no creams in court room!!

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 12:50 pm

oh good lord.. NO CAMERAS even

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 12:53 pm

JC is getting read to report… now im miffed I cant watch court.. im gonna be snide and say she is to old to wear her hair pulled back like that… now im gonna go repeat…do not be mean kell… do not be mean kell…

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 12:54 pm

good gravy.. did she hear me???? lol she took it down

Wendy

04/19/2013 at 1:04 pm

I have a ? I keep hearing “walking idiot” did JW say this yesterday?

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 1:10 pm

Well if she did not, she is one!

TexiBelle

04/19/2013 at 1:16 pm

Yeah–she was covering the behaviors possible when one is deep in fight or flight mode. She asked Dr. DeSmarty “I mean, it’s not like you’re a walking idiot, is it?” (paraphrasing)

yah Wendy, it was when she was talking about amnesia and its effects when she reintroduced the now defunct reference to global transient amnesia.. another stupid thing she did. Referencing testimony her own witness ran from.. but anyhow… yeah she did.

Wendy

04/19/2013 at 1:09 pm

Hello?

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 1:18 pm

Syn … wanting to respond to current #229 but afraid a quote within a quote will send it to Mod. Anyway … wonderful explanation. Does JA “get” this at all? I mean, does she know she is mimicing or does it just happen?

No I think a lot of it is just automatic to her. I don’t think it’s conscious which is why it’s even more bizarre. It’s just her nature. Same as her ability to manipulate, I think that is automatic to her also. It’s a talent she has.

kelleyyyy

04/19/2013 at 1:24 pm

that is almost word for word what was said about Scott Peterson… he mimics…

Ok I got to the bear and tiger question finally. I see nothing wrong with it. I think they are asking if both are attacks by vicious animals can still different considered different. Dr DeMarte then explains yes they are different.

The person then asks do you think the answers would be different if the attack was a bear or a tiger and Dr D follows up by stating yes she thinks the answers would be very different.

I think this clearly shows that person the triggering attack makes a huge difference to the results of the test.

Now I’ll go up and read what others have said because until now i haven’t because I wanted to hear it for myself before commenting or reading other’s interpretations.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 2:28 pm

The only reason why I worry about this question is because an attack by a bear and an attack by a tiger would be very similar in terms of the ferocity and effect, and the trauma wouldn’t be different. But I think Dr. DeMarte’s answer is good because it shows how meticulous she’d be and how only completely true answers should be considered. If she’d hemmed or hawed about it and said the answers would probably be the same, Wilmott would have jumped all over her.

Consider that this question can be viewed at face value. By your answer above you yourself could have submitted it.

The answer given satisfied you so why wouldn’t it have satisfied the juror who asked it?

I view it as a legitimate question asked in order to clarify if the Samuels test was in fact invalid and, in Dr Demarte’s view should have been re-tested.

Jim

04/19/2013 at 7:02 pm

Not that they are going to get into that level of detail, but big cats kill by breaking neck/crushing airway – bears might bite the crap out of you as well, but blunt force is how you meet your end with a bear….

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 1:46 pm

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

DSM
–
IV Criteria
DSM
–
5 Criteria
–
Revised June 2011
A.
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for
admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early
adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the
following:
1.
Has a grandiose sense of self
–
importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior
without commensurate achievements).

3.
Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be
understood by, or should associate with, other special or high
-status people (or institutions)
.
4.
Requires excessive admiration.

5.
Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his
or her expectations.

6.
Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends.

7.
Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others.

8.
Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of
him or her.

9.
Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

The essential features of a personality disorder are impairments in
personality (self and interpersonal) functioning and the presence of
pathological personality traits. To diagnose narcissistic personality
disorder, the following criteria must be met:

b.
Self-direction
: Goal
–
setting is based on gaining approval
from others; personal standards are unreasonably high in
order to see oneself as exceptional, or too low based on a
senseof entitlement; often unaware of own motivations.

AND

2.
Impairments in
interpersonal functioning
(a or b):

a.
Empathy
: Impaired ability to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others; excessively attuned to
reactions of others, but only if perceived as relevant to self;
over-or underestimate of own effect on others.

a.
Grandiosity
: Feelings of entitlement, either overt or covert; self
-centeredness; firmly holding to the belief that one is
better than others; condescending toward others.

b.
Attention seeking:
Excessive attempts to attract and be the focus of the attention of others; admiration seeking.

C.
The impairments in personality functioning and the individual‟s
personality trait expression are relatively stable across time and
consistent across situations.

D.
The impairments in personality functioning and the individual‟s
personality trait expression are not better understood as normative
for the individual‟s developmental stage or socio-cultural environment.
.
E.
The impairments in personality functioning and the individual‟s
personality trait expression are not solely due to the direct
physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse,
medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., severe head
trauma).

Kristi

04/20/2013 at 12:43 am

Nancy, I’m new to this forum and love it because I’m completely hooked on this stupid trial! I think NPD fits her to a T and have been surprised all along that none of the shrinks (experts or commentators) have pointed that out. Her grandiose sense of self….the chick was a waitress, yet never describes herself as such. She claims to be a photographer but I haven’t seen any evidence she owned a studio, had a business license, or was ever employed by a photography company. Her interviews all look to me like she is confident she can charm any male. She even looks at Willmot like she is seducing her. Also, it is my understanding that both Borderline and Antisocial are often co-morbid with serious drug and alcohol abuse, no one has suggested Jodi has substance issues. NPD is unusual among mental disorders in that substance abuse is rare, because Narcissists are always in control. We all know that what set Jodi off was that she lost control….unacceptable for the Narcissist, so she got control back the only way she felt she could. Thank you for posting that.

Courtroom sources report that behind closed doors at the court hearing now in progress the defense team has requested the Judge drop all charges against Jodi Arias because new evidence has come to light mitigating her guilt.

According to those reliable sources, this morning guards at the jail where ms Arias is incarcerated discovered a large protoplasmic mass under her bed. The defendant claims the protoplasmic entity is an alien life form that infiltrated itself into her vagina moments after her final sexual union with the victim, Travis Alexander.

Taking over her body and mind, she says the blob-like entity was responsible for the vicious stabbings and shooting. Now, miraculously free from its influence, ms Arias has recovered from her fog-like amnesia and is able to recall in detail the second-by-second blob-directed attack, including information about the weapons used during the murder, which she says were suddenly vaporized during her car drive near Hoover Dam.

Although prosecutor Martinez alerted the judge to the suspicious disappearance of a case of instant jello from the jail cafeteria this week, the judge has requested the recovered blob be sent for forensic examination before making a decision on the defense motion – the present backlog at forensics may be responsible for the long wait in chambers.

A.
There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation
of the
rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three
(or more) of the following: having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from
another.

1.
Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful
behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that
are grounds for arrest.

2.
Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases,
or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.

3.
Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead.

4.
Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated
physical fights or assaults.

The essential features of a personality disorder are impairments in
personality (self and interpersonal) functioning and the presence of
pathological personality traits. To diagnose antisocial personality
disorder, the following criteria must be met:

a.
Empathy: Lack of concern for feelings, needs, or
suffering of others; lack of remorse after hurting or
mistreating another.

b.
Intimacy: Incapacity for mutually intimate
relationships, as exploitation is a primary means of
relating to others, including by deceit and coercion;
use of dominance or intimidation to control others.

B.
Pathological personality traits in the following domains:

1.
Antagonism, characterized by:

a.
Manipulativeness: Frequent use of subterfuge to
influence or control others; use of seduction,
charm, glibness, or ingratiation to achieve one’s ends.

a.
Irresponsibility: Disregard for–and failure to
honor financial and other obligations or
commitments; lack of respect for and lack of
follow through on agreements and promises.

b.
Impulsivity: Acting on the spur of the moment
in response to immediate stimuli; acting on a
momentary basis without a plan or consideration
of outcomes; difficulty establishing and following plans.

c.
Risk taking: Engagement in dangerous, risky, and
potentially self-damaging activities, unnecessarily
and without regard for consequences; boredom proneness
and thoughtless initiation of activities to counter boredom;
lack of concern for one’s limitations and denial of
the reality of personal danger.

C.
The impairments in personality functioning and the
individual’s personality trait expression are relatively stable across time and
consistent across situations.

D.
The impairments in personality functioning and the individual’s
personality trait expression are not better understood as
normative for the individual’s developmental stage or socio-cultural environment.

E.
The impairments in personality functioning and the individual’s
personality trait expression are not solely due to the direct
physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse,
medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., severe head
trauma).

F.
The individual is at least age 18 years.

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 2:29 pm

Syn, You mentioned a long time ago that the APA was looking to integrate Psychopathy into the DSM codes. You are always a wealth of info. Is it normal to be working on this for 20 yrs???

Department of Psychology, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada.
Abstract

The Axis II Work Group of the Task Force on DSM-IV has expressed concern that antisocial personality disorder (APD) criteria are too long and cumbersome and that they focus on antisocial behaviors rather than personality traits central to traditional conceptions of psychopathy and to international criteria. We describe an alternative to the approach taken in the rev. 3rd ed. of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III-R; American Psychiatric Association, 1987), namely, the revised Psychopathy Checklist. We also discuss the multisite APD field trials designed to evaluate and compare four criteria sets: the DSM-III-R criteria, a shortened list of these criteria, the criteria for dyssocial personality disorder from the 10th ed. of the International Classification of Diseases (World Health Organization, 1990), and a 10-item criteria set for psychopathic personality disorder derived from the revised Psychopathy Checklist.

PMID:
1918618
[PubMed – indexed for MEDLINE]

Kathy A.

04/19/2013 at 2:55 pm

Hey, Nancy, Syntara and anyone else who wants to answer this, please chime in. What do you think of Sandy Arias’ totally inappropriate behavior and affect in the courtroom? Besides the total disrespect for the court and Travis’s family, her behavior seems almost as weird as Jodi’s sometimes. Think there might be a personality disorder or disorders there, or just a lack of class?

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 4:48 pm

All of the above! She was back at her wide eyed smiling from ear to ear and giggling yesterday during *very* serious testimony. I think you are correct that her mom may have some PD herself. Hey, Syn did you once say that genetics plays some part in PD’s or am I remembering this incorrectly?

commerce1

04/19/2013 at 7:26 pm

Kathy – you nailed it. A lack of class for sure. But I also suspect a lack of intelligence as well. Her behavior is entirely inappropriate. She is not at lunch with the ladies. She is at the death penalty trial of her daughter. It shows a complete lack of respect for the Alexander family and even a lack of respect for her daughter. Her giggling and smirking is complete bullshit.

Nancy, you really shouldn’t ask me things like this!! You get an essay in reponse!

Anyhow…. as jad has referenced a number of times there is resistance in political circles to formalise a criteria of psychopathy. Ironically, in an historical sense, it was one of the first criteria recognised in it’s own right. As I’ve mentioned before it was formally known as “Moral Insanity” through the second half of the 19th century and can be seen in ‘mythology’ and legend dating back thousands of years.

Compare that to Borderline Personality Disorder, who’s criteria came into existance based on research done in the mid 70’s which is loosely based on Adolph stern’s work from 1938.

Dr Robert Hare has devoted his life’s work gathering more evidence for psychopathy than any other mental disorder outside the DSM. He has proved that it is actually more aki to mutation (cause unknown) and when he submitted his MRI scans they were returned to him because the reviewers thought he had submitted the scans of sleeping subjects. That’s how different their brains function.

Subsequent tests have shown the grey matter in psychopaths (ASPD+P) is far greater than not only normative population but even people diagnosed ASPD-P. (I posted the actual journal submission some time back)

That study in the UK [funded by the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) Biomedical Research Centre for Mental Health at the South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust and the Institute of Psychiatry at King’s College London] was carried out based on observations showing ‘There is a clear behavioural difference amongst those diagnosed with ASPD depending on whether or not they also have psychopathy. We describe those without psychopathy as ‘hot-headed’ and those with psychopathy as ‘cold-hearted’.

[The PCL-R is more widely used in countries outside of the US and research such as the above is being carried out worldwide. Why the resistance to it? Interesting question.]

The results of the above mentioned study are more than interesting they are quite astounding and they further back up Dr Robert Hare’s research.

Note: The group categorised ASPD+P all confirmed psychopathy diagnosis using the PCL-R prior to inclusion in the study.

“The study found that ASPD+P offenders displayed significantly reduced grey matter volumes in the anterior rostral prefrontal cortex and temporal poles compared to ASPD-P offenders and healthy non-offenders. These areas are important in understanding other people’s emotions and intentions and are activated when people think about moral behaviour. Damage to these areas is associated with impaired empathising with other people, poor response to fear and distress and a lack of ‘self-conscious’ emotions such as guilt or embarrassment. ”

Again why is there still so much resistance despite ever increasing objective data? It takes far less to have other criteria added. There are now over 300 diagnoses quantified in the DSM, few if any, as distinct as psychopathy defined by the PCL-R.

Anna

04/19/2013 at 2:36 pm

Have y’all seen jodistein’s blog? I read through the comments and found the things said by “Jonathan” to be very interesting….:

Vicious said…
Loved the graphic… and your post rocks… sadly enough, sometimes I just don’t have the balls to do all the things you just described… but it serves as a constant reminder to keep trying to get there.
Thank You.

May 04, 2008
￼Jonathan said…
If i did what I most wanted to do, well I would be in prison… Joking… The deep, in thought Jodi, where did this all come from… Interesting, to bad I can’t see this more often…

May 11, 2008
￼Jonathan said…
Sometimes I wonder to find my car keys… Hey, deep… Everything is right, and wrong… Everything… There are no rules everything is permitted, still finding one’s purpose or self can be fun, frustrating, and demanding!

Yesterday as Dr. D was talking about Jodi hiding behind the Christmas tree, Jodi had a smile on her face as if she were proud that she had done that; because her thought process is completely different than most people’s, she just cant see how bizarre and creepy that behavior (along with sneaking in through the doggy door) is. Those activities reminded me of something I read in “Helter Skelter” about the Manson family: prior to the Tate-LaBianca murders, they would practice what they called “creepy crawlies,” where they would break into strangers’ homes in the middle of the night, and rearrange the occupants’ furniture while they were sleeping, to see if they could do it without waking anyone.

She’s a dangerous individual and I believe if she were to somehow be set free, it would further enhance her sense of invincibility and superiority and she would kill someone else.

Wendy

04/19/2013 at 3:15 pm

I agree with you Kathy, she is dangerous. I think if she got out of this (which I don’t see happening) she would kill again because she would feel that she had won.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 3:21 pm

I think she was smiling because she didn’t hide behind the Christmas tree but rather slept underneath it. 🙂 Correct me if I’m wrong. I agree, she’s very dangerous and should never be in society again.

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 4:54 pm

She is profoundly dangerous.

Wendy

04/19/2013 at 3:12 pm

Can someone tell me at what point the Christmas tree was talked about? I missed more than I thought.

Wendy

04/19/2013 at 3:25 pm

I am watching the video from yesterday. I didn’t realize how much Gidget really doesn’t like JM. She was being downright RUDE.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 3:28 pm

VERY rude! I commented on that at one point yesterday I think. I’m not sure at what point in the video that Christmas tree remark happens, but I think it was during Martinez’s redirect examination.

commerce1

04/19/2013 at 7:39 pm

Gidget is as immature as her client. I understand her having some frustration with Juan because he is wiping the floor with the defense team, but a professional would understand it’s just business, he’s just doing his job, and deal with it (maybe even respect him for it).

Gidget is so immature she actually was caught on camera glaring at Dr. DeMarte or giving her snotty looks several times. It’s incredibly unprofessional behavior on her part and I truly believe her career will suffer for it.

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 3:25 pm

I must commentif there is any misconduct in that courtroom, it is on the part of Kirk Nurmi. His facial expressions, laughing, and head nodding is beyond unacceptable for an officer of the court, let alone any spectator of the court. I’m so mad that the Judge and bailiff just let’s this behavior pass. When my husband was at trial for four weeks, and he took the stand, I remember almost daily admonishing from the judge about showing NO reactions to testimony, and to excuse yourself if you needed to. And…my sister was literally removed by the bailiff twice for inadvertently making facial expressions and nodding in response to my husband’s ridiculous lies and testimony. I truly can’t believe Nurmi can sit there are laugh at DrD’s answers the way he did yesterday and get away with it.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 3:29 pm

I agree. I thought the way he laughed when she said the word “pattern” was so inappropriate. It was like he was thinking, “Gotcha!”

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 3:37 pm

But he didn’t “gotcha” cuz DrD wasn’t admitting to a pattern in their relationship. So lame!

Kathy A.

04/19/2013 at 8:37 pm

I agree. I don’t know where Nurmi thinks he is, but he sure doesn’t act like he’s in court. The defense team’s antics and all of JA’s attacks on Travis’s character are like rubbing salt in the Alexander family’s wounds. I know I keep using the term disrespectful, but they are. I understand the defense attorneys have to defend her but there is a family sitting there in terrible pain, pain that will never go away completely – despite what JA said in her videotape about it being temporary – and they have to endure not only the loss of Travis but the agony of watching people laugh and sneer at his expense. I’m sure they find nothing funny about any of this.

Lisa M

04/19/2013 at 3:27 pm

Syntara :
well Lisa you are kind of answering the your own doubts.
Consider that this question can be viewed at face value. By your answer above you yourself could have submitted it.
The answer given satisfied you so why wouldn’t it have satisfied the juror who asked it?
I view it as a legitimate question asked in order to clarify if the Samuels test was in fact invalid and, in Dr Demarte’s view should have been re-tested.

Yes it did satisfy me, and I hope it would satisfy the juror, but I’m pro-prosecution! 🙂 I think the question could be seen as either pro-prosecution or pro-defense depending on how you look at it. In the grand scheme of things, I don’t think it will matter really because ultimately they have enough evidence to convict for first degree, and she made major inroads in disqualifying the PTSD and BWS diagnoses IMO.

I felt a little guilty last night laughing at a lot of the humor about how pathetic Willnot has been against Dr D and watching Mikee D had me in stitches and then I just saw this by the usually hysterical Ms Tabularasa which brought me back to what we are really all here for Justice for Ttavis. Brought tears to my eyes. http://youtu.be/53AlWLgAmfY

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 5:04 pm

Essem! Thanks a lot for the link! I love this one. By the way, your name is beautiful, what does it mean?

What a great vid to re-focus on the issue.. Gruesome, cold blooded killing of an innocent man and the monster who could do such a thing.

Kristy

04/19/2013 at 3:57 pm

Isn’t it beneficial that Jodi has a higher IQ? I thought that folks with real low IQs didn’t normally get the DP? Also, it shows she has the intelligence to per-plan?

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 4:06 pm

Any IQ above the line for mental retardation is acceptable for the death penalty.

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 4:04 pm

Ugh! I was so annoyed yesterday when HLN kept saying that Jodi and DrD are twins. What an insult to DrD! Just because two women have brown hair does not make them twins. What a stretch! Jodi wishes she looks anything close to DrD, who has obvious pretty features. The only time Jodi looks even slightly attractive in a fake way, is when she obviously spends tons of time changing and covering up what she really looks like.

Ever since the Martinez cross exam began Arias has been withering before our eyes, And I don’t think it’s a result of the jail diet. Although she shows no remorse for what she did, I think her internal organs have a conscience of their own, and are shutting down. Don’t be surprised if she ends up in the intensive care unit soon, not another result of fakery on her part, but finally, justice of the spleen and liver and nervous system conspiring to exact justice and extinguish her..

Kristy

04/19/2013 at 4:48 pm

Actually, I think she’s not eating and taking her meds on purpose to garner jury sympathy. She actually looked fine the day after her migraine.

Meaning I was hoping all the negative energy focused at her from outraged people world-wide was negatively transferred into her vital organs

Crystal Harris

04/19/2013 at 5:01 pm

Jay, are you saying Jodi’s own body hates her? 🙂

Jay

04/19/2013 at 6:15 pm

Yeah, I’m hoping her body turns on her. Then we could make our own movie: Revenge Of The Internal Organs. In 3D with Steriophonic Sound. Special Effects by LucasFilms. Directed with gory internal fidelity by Quentin Tarantino. Kim Kardashian as the voice of her spleen. Roseanne Barr in duel roles as her liver, and in childhood flashbacks as her mother. Lindsay Lohan could play her alimentary canal. No one would be cast to play her heart since she doesn’t have one.

Moon

04/20/2013 at 12:22 am

agree that she seems to be withering. could it be internal anger? whatever, we can only hope it continues to eat her alive! 👿

NancyB

04/19/2013 at 5:10 pm

Here’s a transcription of the email that JW showed the jury yesterday. Dr D. said she used this email as one data point to diagnose JA with BPD.

From : Jodi Arias
To : Travis Alexander
Wed, 14 Feb, 2007

Travis,

I’m sorry that the last few days have been so frustrating for me. I wish I could have offered you more consolation over the phone. I guess I was just at a little bit of a loss for words. And perhaps a little bit intimidated, not necessarily b/c of how angry you were, but because I wasn’t sure of how you would react to me trying to comfort you. I compare it to my own experiences, and I know that sometimes, I don’t want to hear it, I just want to yell and scream and vent [yes, I do on very rare occasions] and go through the motions until the situation plays itself out. Other times, I need comforting and to be told that everything is ok. I wasn’t sure exactly what you were needing, so I just listened, and as the conversation evolved, my heart filled with compassion you [sic].

bit of loss for words. And perhaps a little bit intimidated, not necessarily because of how angry you were, but because I wasn’t sure how you would react to me trying to comfort you. I compare it to my own experiences, and I know that sometimes, I don’t want to hear it, I just want to yell and scream and vent (yes, I do on very rare occasions), and go through the motions until the situation plays itself out. Other times, I need comforting and to be told that everything is ok. I wasn’t sure exactly what you were needing, so I just listened, and as the conversation evolved, my heart filled with compassion [] you.

However, you already know the Secret. I don’t need to remind you. But you are so powerful, and you can turn this situation around at anytime [sic]. I found out, much to my regret, that my anger is very destructive. I’ve never beaten up anybody over it, but I’ve kicked holes in walls, kicked down doors, smashed windows, broken things. It hurts people [redacted?] and it hurts me. It lowers my vibration and attracts unwanted lower-vibrational situations and people into my life. So I strive every day to “be the bigger person” and be a living example and Choose the Right and see everything through a filter of love. But it doesn’t always work that way! I mess up. Sometimes I forget who I am. But I will never stop striving to be Christ-like as much as I possibly can.

This morning, I woke up feeling awful. I called Darryl (only because I had to give him the phone number to our mortgage lender) and he said, “hey, I was just going to call you. Any change in your situation?” An that’s all he had to say. I lost it
—

Hadn’t they just started dating at that point?
And does anyone know which one introduced “The Secret” to the other in their relationship? Did Travis subscribe to this thinking? I wonder if Einstein would have believed in the secret? Haha!

Observer

04/19/2013 at 7:25 pm

Thanks, Nancy B for the letter. This is very important because it shows that Jodi does have a violent side to her. The rages she describes of punching walls, kicking down doors, yelling and screaming is the behavior of perpetrators of domestic violence. She also told Flores she kicked the family dog and it was never seen again. Her mother and father both said in their interrogations that she kicked and yelled and screamed at her mother and the rages had gotten worse in the year leading up to her murdering Travis.

It also proves that Samuels and LaViolette lied when they said there was no evidence that Jodi was ever angry or violent, that she was always a pacifist in her writings. This letter also proves she lied about Travis sending her the shirt and shorts engraved with is name and the boys underwear on Valentine’s Day because she would have been happy as a lark instead of in her angry unhappy state.

On the stand under cross she said she photographed the shorts and shirt with the name Travis’s and Alexander’s in July 2008 when she knew she was going to be arrested because she wanted someone to find the picture on her camera and she wanted a souvenir of her relationship with Travis. She had the shorts and shirt stenciled after she murdered him to make it look like he wanted to possess her, instead of the other way around.

A word about migraines. I suffer from “chronic migraine”, which means that basically more often than not I have a migraine. I take preventive meds such as Topamax, but don’t notice much help. I’ve tried every abortive med I know of, to no avail. I even tried Botox on my skull, again to no avail. The only thing that helps, but isn’t always practical, is Fiorinal w/ Codeine, which is narcotic.
I remember during my husband’s criminal trial, on one of the 5 days I was on the stand, I had a level 10 migraine on the day I was to be cross examined.
Did the court care? Of course not. It didn’t even occur to me to embarrass myself by obstructing the court’s schedule. Migraine sufferers know (and I know there are several on this site) that you don’t interrupt your whole life every time you have a headache. If you have the opportunity, you’ll take some good meds, lay in a blackened room and pray for relief. But grown-ups deal with it. Jodi is such a fucking baby with this, and it pisses me off…not only that she’s pulling these stunts, but that the court is putting up with them.
By the way, have any migraine sufferers here tried a nerve block? That’s next on my list to try.

Observer

04/19/2013 at 7:04 pm

Crystal, I empathize with your migraines and all the abuse you went through with your husband. I think you are a very strong and brave woman. My sympathy goes out to you and MMD and all other people who really suffer from migraines.

As far as Arias goes, I don’t even believe she has migraines. I think it is just a way to stall the court proceedings as she has for five years to postpone her trip to death row. Her trial was originally scheduled for 2010, then postponed to 2012, and finally began in January 2013. She managed to drag out her time on the stand to 18 days and the trial to 60 days.

I also think she read the symptoms of battered women and one of them is frequent physical complaints. She got her last migraine right after Dr. DeMarte said she failed in that category.

I also believe her losing weight so she shrivels down to nothing is another attempt to fit the poor body image status on the 6 point Lenore Walker scale.

Like DeMarte pointed out Arias is a chameleon and she mimics others like her attorney Wilmott, the mitigation expert and Dr. DeMarte. She also tries to mimic battered women. She played the meek subservient battered woman role under Nurmi’s tutelage but when Martinez was in control she reverted to the aggressive Know it All full of rage.

If Jodi is really trying to conjure up the symptom of “frequent health problems”, she had it all wrong and completely twisted. Here’s why. With Battered Women Syndrome, the woman would possibly experience frequent health problems while she’s in the midst of the abuse. Once she is free of the abuse, and no longer at risk, those health problems would abate. And stupid Jodi must think the jury is a bunch of idiots if she thinks they’ll believe she had no health problems back when she was with Travis…yet NOW she does when she no longer experiences abuse. It exhibits a complete misunderstanding of that criteria.

commerce1

04/19/2013 at 8:13 pm

Crystal – have you tried a detox and being tested for food allergies? Food allergies are one of the most common migraine triggers. I used to suffer horrible migraines until I saw a naturopath who had me do a juice fast/detox and tested me for food allergies. By avoiding the foods I am allergic to, I have not had a migraine in over a year!!!!

That’s something I haven’t tried. It’s completely intimidating to me. I’m not a great eater to begin with, and when I look at the list of “possible migraine foods”, it’s so long. It’s like, I’m afraid of even going there. But at some point I may have no choice.
So what food(s) were you allergic to?

Does anyone think this hearing today may have something to do with that remark Willanurmi made in court and was reported on Nancy Grace and Dr. Drew. Also reported on Twitter….hmmmmmm!??

Observer

04/19/2013 at 7:43 pm

The hearing was most likely to discuss witnesses and evidence the state intends to introduce in the rebuttal case next week. The judge has to decide what witnesses and evidence can be allowed and which is too prejudicial and might cause a reversal of a guilty verdict. Of course, the defense will try to keep out everything they can that proves their client’s guilt.

Ci Ci's Circle

04/19/2013 at 5:50 pm

We didn’t listen yesterday. We just monitored all your comments here and on Wild about Trial and as soon as we saw you mention JM we plugged in our speakers! Boy that Willanurmi is a real piece of work! Just reading through your comments while court was in session told us that’s she’s a real piece of work!! She should be ashamed of herself. We wonder if any of her other clients were watching and thinking “Oh Sh*&@….I’m cooked!”

WillNOT should have been told by Janeen that if she were in Alyce’s therapy class she’d be on a time out!! Only problem with that: Janeen DeMarte is too professional to behave the way the defense witness’s did!! WillNOT is truly making herself look like a first class moron!!!
CRAP! I forgot myself for a moment, WillNOT is a moron!!! Take a lesson from Juan, know when to sit down and shut up!!! Juan Rocks!!!

Anonymous

04/19/2013 at 6:11 pm

Watching HLN, Jodi in custody, singing Dido, like she thinks the cops watching are entranced with her beautiful singing, and she’s hot, but she needs some make up.,..

bubblebutts I truly love your comments!!!
Getting that phone # on the plane, Can u believe it??
U R so right about the song, she really has ruined that lovely
tune for all of us forever!
as for HER money I think she stole the money she had on her from Travis!!
she was BROKE and everyone knew it. or at least they said so…parents,etc.

commerce1

04/19/2013 at 8:21 pm

Remember the comments from Travis’ friends that he had begun experiencing financial problems after he met Jodi. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if she were stealing from him all along.

Family of Law

04/19/2013 at 6:45 pm

Jim :
Personally, I didn’t interpret that question as a “friend-on-the-jury” question. I think these jurors have figured out how to use their questions across different witnesses to snark at the defense. “Mr.” Dodgy is the one that said “trauma is trauma” and therefore did not re-administer the test for PTSD. I think DeMarte’s answer was brilliant about how the triggers for PTSD would be different between a tiger and a bear, and by making clear that “triggers” are the key element in a PTSD-related flashback.

Hello Jim- I just saw this- phew, I’m so glad you think that! I was a little worried that there was a sympathizer on the jury-

Legal question: I’ve read that the State has 4 chances to get the DP – how does that jury selection work? By now, so many people have seen media coverage of this trial, I imagine it would be hard to find people with no prejudice?

Jim

04/19/2013 at 7:25 pm

As you know, the penalty phase is to decide if capital punishment is warranted. If a new jury is necessary, they would impanel it, just as they would any other: Willing to consider death as punishment? impartially evaluate evidence presented?, etc., a questionaire suited to the circumstances to detect biases (abuse, and the like). They will begin with JA’s guilt as a fact….

Don’t u think that when it comes to the penalty phase in this trial will the jury not say ok, Jodi Arias showed absolutely NO MERCY towards Travis Alexander so she should NOT get
MERCY from this jury!!!
Death Penalty!!!!!

Thanks for that Jim I couldn’t work out how they got 4 bites but was thinking that was for a guilty verdict. So they get 4 bites based on a guilty verdict for a jury to then give her the death penalty so if the first jury can’t agree it goes to a 2nd 3rd and 4th panel of jurors.

Family of Law

04/19/2013 at 7:45 pm

Oops- hit “send” too soon:). Thank you for explaining this- now one more Q. If this jury finds her guilty of 1st degree, and does not give the DP, but life in prison w/o parol- Is that when the State proceeds? Thanks in advance:)

Jim

04/19/2013 at 8:00 pm

oooh – AZ is a different place, for sure, but a verdict in the penalty phase is just that, the verdict. If the jury hangs on the question of penalty (not unanimous) then you would see a new jury impaneled to try to answer the question. If panels manage to hang 4 times, the punishment will be whatever is prescribed within AZ law and suitable by the trail court (except death)

Family of Law

04/19/2013 at 8:53 pm

Many thanks for taking the time to explain that Jim:) Here’s hoping this jury is as astute at the end of this trial as they have appeared to be throughout- (based on the multitude of Q’s they’ve asked so far, they don’t seem to have drunk the “Jodi Koolaid”!)

Jay

04/19/2013 at 7:26 pm

I disagree. The question indicates one juror at least is considering as valid the opinion Samuels offered that the test indicated trama, even with the lied substitution of ninja attackers.

DR Janeen would have gotten a straight A mark from me if she answered that question better. The question was sharply crafted. It’s similar to asking would the emotional response be that much different if you saw your child killed by a tiger, but in fact it was a bear? The trauma of the killing i. That instance far outweighs which animal killed the child.

Her answer that the entire test would still be invalidated because tigers and bears are different sizes and smell different doesn’t turn the question. For that, she gets an A-.

Jay

04/19/2013 at 7:27 pm

In that instance…

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 7:48 pm

IMHO the question was one I had thought about. Trauma is trauma, right? And her answer was perfect — what better illicits a memory, good or bad, than smell. I think it was a really legitimate question with a satisfactory answer. Should the questioner make the final 12 all that is required is for one other juror to explain that Dr. DeMarte was being objective by throwing out the exam. The jurors may be of mixed minds on this, just as we are, but that is what “deliberations” are all about.

Jim

04/19/2013 at 7:52 pm

I certainly agree that her answer could have included more detail, but I got what she was saying. Today’s thread is replete with the bear v tiger topic, and I asked Syn to wade in vis-a-vie “triggers”. They have a more profound influence than most people realize, and even subtle distinctions between one thing or another can cause, or not cause triggers: brown v orange; stripes v none; the ones I listed upstairs…the differences go well past size and smell… It was far more distinctive than tiger v lion…..

Jay

04/19/2013 at 8:43 pm

Jim – I agree Arias’ lie invalidated the test, but Dr J too quickly glossed over the answer. She needed to give a more persuasive reply.

Kathy A.

04/19/2013 at 9:01 pm

Just want to put my two cents in regarding PTSD triggers and the bear vs. tiger debate. This is just my own opinion and experience. Seven years ago, my husband was shot and killed 25 feet away from me. I have been diagnosed with PTSD and have gone through lots of therapy. I believe the things that trigger flashbacks and the intrusive thoughts that take me back to that day (which I can remember every thing about with crystal clarity. I only wish a fog would step in and help me out) would be very different if, say, I had shot and killed him or I had witnessed a complete stranger being killed. Two strangers breaking in and killing someone in front of you and putting you in danger is a completely different trauma than being attacked and having to defend yourself from someone you love (since that’s her story). I believe, again based on just my own experience, that even something as subtle between a bear and a tiger can have a profound effect on how one experiences and relates a trauma.

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 12:24 am

Kathy A – Terrifying to even imagine all of what you have been through in the past 7 years. Your comments have the same definitive ring of truth that all people that truly suffer with PTSD list. I can not imagine suffering the grief at such a violent and sudden major loss compounded by PTSD. ((((HUGS))))

I agree with Kathy’s comments as well as many others on this bear/tiger issue. I suffer from PTSD as well from the trauma of what my husband did to me. Kathy is right on.
I’d like to speak to Jay’s issue about DrD’s quickness of her answer. I’m not bothered by it, and here’s why. You could also see with her testimony on the same subject that the entire question about having a subject lie on a PSD test would without question invalidate the results. It was almost she was being asked, “does 2 + 2 = 5?” How would anyone answer that question? It’s like, Duh! To see her with that attitude about it was great I thought. Am I making sense? It’s kinda late.

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 7:29 pm

Jay: Thanks for the info on the Boxcar Martini … and the bar. That place sounds cool (I think I saw it featured once on TCM, the classic movie channel) and I hope you are there right now, imbibing. Cheers!

Jay

04/19/2013 at 8:46 pm

Wish I was too. Watching the end of the Boston Marathon chase. Appears the suspect is dead, according to CNN

Trial watcher :
Don’t u think that when it comes to the penalty phase in this trial will the jury not say ok, Jodi Arias showed absolutely NO MERCY towards Travis Alexander so she should NOT get
MERCY from this jury!!!
Death Penalty!!!!!

Only the trolls that are constantly trying to invade this blog would disagree with you. There are a number of posts in these threads from people who don’t believe in the DP, per se, but are more than willing to make an exception in JA’s case. We were simply discussing the mechanics of a jury that hangs on the penalty question – stranger things have happened.

AZ law is very interesting in this regard. I hope their failsafes are unnecessary, but at some point, the AZ legislature deemed them to be warranted…

2nd Boston Bomer in custody; there ya go Baez and Nurmi, another client for ya…

Jay

04/19/2013 at 9:47 pm

Right, they’ll roll out the Manchurian Candidate Fog Defense: your honor our client has no memory whatsoever of leaving the USA for six months or of spending six weeks in Chechnya learning how to make pressure cooker explosives from Al Qaida radical Islamic terrorists who undoubtedly planted devious ideas in his impressionable brain.

Our worthless media is just beside themselves that these two scumbags have at their roots a devotion to radical Islam (You know, the religion of peace). They were so hoping it would be home grown types (White Christian, Right-Wing, Males).

If these guys had been Catholic or Protestant, our media would be diligently wanting to understand how THEIR RELIGION caused them to behave is such a reckless way. Heck, they wouldn’t even wait for all the facts to be known. In this case, however, since these two TERRORISTS follow radical Islam, the media now believes we should be very careful before speculating about what role their religion may have played. Pfft!

I loved right from the get-go, Boston Law Enforcement was calling these acts Terrorism! Got that President Obama; it’s called TERRORISM! Screw politically correct terms.

Jay

04/19/2013 at 10:23 pm

Wait till you hear the outcry that the terrorist bomber murderer is going to be tried under the Patriot Act as a domestic terrorist and not under state criminal law. The FBI spokesperson answering question on CNN a few minutes ago said the murdering little bastard didn’t need to be given Miranda Rights because of that. And as I’ve noted before, I’m no Obama fan, but when it comes to terrorism he plays hardball, and you can bet your ass when he finds out the identity of the terrorist group who handled these guys he’ll go after them.

Just reading up on death penalty and found case Greenburg 6 where 2 have been given death penalty and one LWOP because of age at time of murder. Other 3 still awaiting trial. Certainly gives hope that DP is handed down where warranted. These 6 seem to have had mental issues that were not deemed to exclude from receiving the DP. Mitigation hasn’t helped so far.

Ya know what Jay? You just reminded me that all those loans I took out for college? I was in a fog. Why did they let me do that?

Jay

04/19/2013 at 10:25 pm

LOL. what you need is a payment fog 😃

LCjones

04/19/2013 at 9:59 pm

Lisa M :
Thanks Syn. Your answer to number 2 is helpful, because the woman I knew who I believe is BPD didn’t have aggressive tendencies towards others, didn’t lash out at people in
that way, but was passive aggressive and definitely didn’t respect boundaries. Back then we didn’t have FB or even email (it was in the late 80s, early 90s) but I can’t really imagine her hacking into emails, she wasn’t devious like that, but she’d do things like jump into bed with her roommate’s boyfriend and then act like it was an innocent friendship and how could anyone else thing otherwise?

A female family member extremely close to me is a BP. She fits all the criteria and is extremely aggressive . This woman would see people as very good, wonderful, the best person she ever met until they did something to her ( always the victim) real or imagined. The depth of her hatred to those same people was scary. She would wish them dead, become gleeful if something bad happened to them or an innocent family member. WHen a hated enemies baby died she was thrilled…she got her revenge.
This same woman would smother you with her version of her overbearing, suffocating love, and within minutes go into a screaming rage at you because you were trying to get away from her mothering or trying to be your own person. Those rages could go on for weeks. You were literally walking on eggshells around her not knowing what would set her off. Best part of life with this monster was she was so charming, the life of any party…. As she made sure everything was about her…. people thought she was fabulous ( until they really got to know her ) my friends would tell me how much they loved her..,she was so much fun…ugh
When I started watching the trial I told my hubby that Jodi is a borderline…she is exactly that woman I unfortunately had to call my mother. Oh mommy dearest is also histrionic and narcissistic too. Was alway sexually inappropriate in front of her young kids, was queen of the world, emotionally needy, afraid of abandonment which is most interesting to me. Mother, who is so afraid to be alone managed to alienate everyone around her…no one can stand her…
I can show that hack Wilmont what real PTS is……
Btw, I’ve been lurking for a while and want to add my greeting to y’all

In law, the rebuttal is a form of evidence that is presented to contradict or nullify other evidence that has been presented by an adverse party.

Rebuttal evidence or witnesses must be confined solely to the subject matter of the evidence rebutted. New evidence on other subjects may not be brought in rebuttal. However, rebuttal is one of the few vehicles whereby a party may introduce surprise evidence or witnesses. The basic process is as follows: Both sides of a controversy are obliged to declare in advance of trial what witnesses they plan to call, and what each witness is expected to testify to. When either a prosecutor or defendant brings direct evidence or testimony which was not anticipated, the other side may be granted a specific opportunity to rebut it. In rebuttal, the rebutting party may generally bring witnesses and evidence which were never declared before, so long as they serve to rebut the prior evidence.

@Markvark, not sure of your point. Russia severely, inhumanely, holicaustically punished the Chechens and surrounding areas for desiring their own states and status. But these guys were too young. And the Chechens gripe is with Russia, not us. Although we ran up against some in Afghanistan, fierce, suicidal fighters.

I had to show a young girl born in 2002 the attacks of 911 today, because she is not taught it in school, had never heard about it.. I love how my muslim friends threaten me with bodily harm when I mention bacon. I won’t post my opinion here on that, but I find it funny that a religion of peace will kill the fuck out of you if you…what? Draw a picture? Make a joke? Point out the hypocrisy?

Not trying to pick a fight, just interested in discourse, since the site seems dead today.

Chechnya has been dealing with Muslim extremists for years. Remember when they took over that elementary school for days and killed 150 little kids? And what about when the Muslims there took over that theater and kept people hostage for days and days, eventually killing so many? The Chechen Muslim Rebels are renowned for their ruthlessness (like when they come to Afghanistan or Iraq to fight). You ask what their beef is with us? The same as all Islamists’ beef with the Infedel West. To take over the world and install a Caliphate. My understanding is the older brother was enamored with an imam from Australia, but I can’t think of the imam’s name right now.

Tracey A

04/19/2013 at 10:46 pm

Evening all!!!! 🙂 Been gone all day so I’m headed upstairs to get caught up…

Wendy

04/19/2013 at 10:55 pm

Hey Tracey!!!

Tracey A

04/19/2013 at 11:27 pm

Hiya Wendy! 🙂

donchais

04/19/2013 at 10:47 pm

There are so many difficult things going on in the world today, they frighten us, harm us, and cause severe pain…please remember we are here for one reason only…justice for Travis…that is all this site is about at the moment. May we please remember that is the only reason we are here now? Thank you!

Jay

04/19/2013 at 10:55 pm

Duly noted 😄

Jay

04/19/2013 at 10:56 pm

In light of that, have you heard what happened in court today at the closed hearing?

Oops, sorry. I just did a non-Travis comment a moment ago before reading this. Will follow going forward. I’m a political junkie so it takes very little to get me going. So don’t get me going people!!! Ok?! 🙂

Wendy

04/19/2013 at 11:09 pm

Tonight I was showing my daughter some of the pics of the crime scene and I just don’t understand how someone could do that to another human being. I know sometimes people don’t seem to have another choice but to be that brutal is beyond my comprehension. How does someone have that much hate and rage inside? My heart goes out to Travis’ family. I lost 2 children when they were young and that was hard enough but to have to loose someone to this kind of violence is senseless. God bless Travis’ family and friends.

not only that much hate and rage.. how did she actually do it? I mean how??? How do you actually bring yourself to cause that much pain to anyone? How do you slit someone’s throat???? It’s the throat slit that really does me. More than anything else.

I don’t know if that’s ridiculous.. but I can see the 29 stabbing wounds as a frenzy, I can see the gun shot as a reactionary response.. but the throat slit is deliberate, considered, ice cold and vengeful. I simply can’t get passed it. I’m stuck on it. Every time the camera pans to her I see him on the floor with his throat cut. I can’t get my head around how she could do such a thing. I just can’t. That is not a heat of the moment injury, it screams premeditation to anyone who understands human behaviours.

Jim :
I certainly agree that her answer could have included more detail, but I got what she was saying. Today’s thread is replete with the bear v tiger topic, and I asked Syn to wade in vis-a-vie “triggers”. They have a more profound influence than most people realize, and even subtle distinctions between one thing or another can cause, ….

Sometimes I guess we who understand these issues forget what it’s like not to have the obvious information. As with my legal knowledge for instance. I need a lot of basic information to put the pieces together than someone who has WAAY more knowledge than me on that subject.

To me Dr Janeen’s answer was perfect. Succinct and to the point.. yes it would make a difference a very big difference because… and she lists things that pertain to your senses.

Why did she choose to answer this way specifically? Because what our senses tell us will be how we react forever more to stimuli that reminds us of the event.

I don’t know much about a bear attack so unfortunately Im not in a position to explain this particular example fully. So can I take a shark vs a tiger?

With the former: You’d could have a fear of water, fear of drowning, stronger fear of helplessness because being in water is far more isolating that being on land. Therefore a lot of residual trauma could be related to feelings of lack of control and helplessness issues almost to the point of eclipsing the attack itself.

Whereas the attack by tiger the feelings of isolation may not even enter into the equation, it could all be about how do I get away, what should I do, should I make a fire to scare it off, should I run? should I just sit here and hope it goes away? Then if all those failed to ward the tiger off…the attack itself would become the primary focus.

The answers on the test in regards to the questions would be very different because the circumstances of the attack and what preceded it would be very different.

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 11:38 pm

Hi Syn! I am glad you dropped in just now. I just tossed out my question from the other night/morning — comments got closed and testimony took off and we were on to other discussion.

HJ Madison

04/19/2013 at 11:36 pm

Is it possible JA shot TA just for the “sensation” of firing a gun into a human? Here is where that question comes from:

04/17/2013 at 7:24 am | #171 (Donchais trial day #49) JAD left a LONG response to concerns about the BPD diagnosis throwing the trial off track. The post included discussion of Ted Bundy, etc. and suggested JA is a serial killer in the making. Having realized what a bloody mess she made with the knife, I wonder if she fired the gun just to try it, in case it is a method she will need in the future. Just tossing one out.

I too, as jad knows, have noted I believe she was/is a serial killer in the making. There is no way she would have stopped if she had not been stopped. Her anger was assuaged once by murder, it was always going to be again if a similar situations arose.where she felt herself being summarily dismissed.

Everything she does she does for a reason. Just to fire a gun to shoot someone, nah. Far more likely she did so either because he convulsed or ‘gurgled’ and she panicked thinking he was still alive, or she did it to make it look like there were two perpetrators.

What if she realised she couldn’t clean the scene? So she thought “Hey I’ll shoot him so they think there were two people involved instead of just one”. I can easily see that being her thinking.

It was definitely in her mind because even in the first phone call to Det Flores he asks her if she has any questions and it is something she raises. She also raises it again multiple times including those in the interrogation videos and the last time is when she jumps at the chance to invent the ninja story.. when he actually ‘agrees’ with her about the possibility.. she grasps it as her lifeline and off she goes with the ninja crap and doesn’t look back.

PS I’ve also noted before that in serial killer terms.. the throat slash would likely have become her ‘signature’.

Moon

04/20/2013 at 12:03 am

you continue to amaze me! i have learned so much and i thank you for sharing your expertise with us! I still think she killed b4 (poor dog) .. and when she was picked up she had her new 9mm gun and 2 more knives. just her looks of contempt in the courtroom shows how empty her soul is. there is no soul there only evil. the “wrath” of hodi pfffft

Again, I agree with you. 🙂 That’s how people are.
I know in my husband’s case he would never use a gun. And I really don’t think he’d use a knife. He thinks of himself as a lethal weapon (he’s been a black belt for decades), and I felt like he enjoyed choking me. Plus, my husband is all about that narcissistic thought process of totally thinking he can get away with murder. So I know he doesn’t want a bloody crime scene. I just know this about him deep down in my bones. The only reason this might change is simply to throw me for a loop cuz he knows I know (he’s all about strategy). If anything ever happens to me, remember I wrote this!

Tracey A

04/19/2013 at 11:56 pm

OMG! Jim’s back!!! Thank you Jim! You have been sorely missed. I’m so glad you are back! Still reading posts…..I hate having to get caught up, grrrrr.

Flipping through the channels and came across the movie “Sparkle” (Whitney Houston’s last movie) just as a killing was committed in self defense. This is how someone who kills in self defense behaves. She immediately began trying CPR, sobbing, devastated – even though the man she had to kill to defend herself and her sisters was an absolute SOB. Because this is how human beings behave.

exactly if she had real ptsd she would more than likely have been found sitting in a corner of the bedroom… knife in hand, crying and catatonic after what she did. Not practiced an elaborate cover up and trying to jump the bones of some poor innocent mormon guy!

Anna

04/20/2013 at 12:12 am

Syn, if you would please, have you ever met one of these types?:
ENFJ
11%/12%/12%/78%
thank you in advance…I haven’t even read the whole thing yet as I’m a bit overwhelmed at the start of it…

hey Anna not scary as in Jodistein… sorry that was misleading… very organised person but somewhat sensitive. These profiles work with the person.. it;s not really a matter of read the profile know the person.. it’s more know the person read the profile for deeper understanding.

So me looking at numbers is not going to give me the insight I;d have if I met the person in question for say 5 mins then they presented me with their profile to interpret.

Because you know the person involved these profiles would help you enormously in understanding them on a deeper level.. or they should.

Anna

04/20/2013 at 12:30 am

**hands Syn a nice type voodka and clinks with her pint of IPA** I really hope I don’t over step but goodness, you could prob call me annastein at this poing, ifykwim…ag.

hey Anna just realised my BF is INFJ.. so very similar to ENFJ just not as outgoing.

Anna

04/20/2013 at 10:42 am

Fairdinkum Syn! That’s exactly how I’m using the test. It’s so fascinating to me how much help that one little test can be. If there’s something about someone, or yourself, that you’ve just never really understood, this test could help figure that out! I’ve gained a much better understanding of my self – I now know why I do some of the s**t I do. lol And if you then couple my typology with my upbringing, things really come to light. One question I’m struggling to form properly is something like this: how much of the test shows your natural proclivities vs. life experiences? Does that make sense?

and btw, thought it cool that my Dad 2.0 is ENFJ & the description says that INFJ’s (that’s me, too) are like “cousins” to them. 🙂 my hubby will take the test today…he keeps putting it off for some reason. LMAO! Thanks again CBFF!

love whiner willnot’s new name “walking idiot” lol loved watching her take her own client down with those ?s!! esp loved the ? when JD says that’s mis-appropriate use of the test and walking idot says that’s ok let’s use it anyway! i think JD mumbles unbelievable!!

oops I misread the originally post I thought you were saying “unbelievable” doh… so I was commenting on the fact that Dr JD said she didn’t use them so wasn’t familiar with interpreting them and JW goes something akin to “well let’s look at them anyway” That’s what I thought was unbelievable.

My bad!

Moon

04/20/2013 at 11:32 am

lol yep, i know that you know that i know that you knew what was meant! i just had to relisten because i thought jd had said unbelievable!!

Even if Jodi does have some type of personality disorder; she still knew right from wrong. She also made logical attempts to cover this brutal murder up.

Sadly, we live in a time where bad behavior is simply excused away because of some “psychological condition.” For instance, we assign a child who CHOOSES to NOT pay attention with the condition of ADT. Funny how these little darlings can focus for hours on end when it comes to their iPhones or X Boxes. While we’re at it, let’s also shove some pills down their throats so they can cope with life. Pfft!

Hey, it isn’t Jodi’s fault, she was abused…she has a personality disorder…blah…blah!

Hey, the brutality and death inflicted on innocent people in Boston wasn’t the fault of those two brothers…heck no! They were misunderstood, and didn’t have any friends…blah…blah.

Strip away all the psycho babble and you have one reason these horrible acts are committed: EVIL!

so right mark! where the children issue come up– If the parents knew how to enforce discipline (without having discipline being abusive) there wouldn’t be an epidemic of children on ADHD meds. Trying to understand why people do these things in no way (IMO) excuses the behaviour.
and i totally agree with your last sentence… they are, sadly, a thing of the past.

I’m not trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater here; I do realize there is a place for psychology in our lives, and it can help individuals become grounded and learn how to cope. I probably could’ve used more appropriate words than “psycho babble.” 😉 It just pi$$es me off that some people like Jodi want to excuse their bad behavior and poor choices claiming they have some type of condition. And while I’m sure some of these conditions do exist, people like Jodi make it very difficult for actual sufferers to be believed in the future. I guess this is why ALV was catching heck for her attempts to claim Jodi was a battered woman and suffered DA.

At any rate, I always appreciate you guys tolerating some of my rants. Like you good folks, I just get so utterly disgusted at what humans are capable of doing to other humans. I can’t even imagine what the Alexander’s are going through.

Kathy A.

04/20/2013 at 1:50 am

I agree with you both. Speaking of parental discipline, does anyone know if Jodi was disciplined at all for hitting and kicking her mother, or did the mother just take it and chalk it up to Jodi’s problems? I just wondered because I know if I had even attempted to kick or attack my mother in anyway, OMG I don’t even want to imagine what would have happened to me. It wouldn’t have been pretty.

Jim

04/20/2013 at 12:44 am

Throwing up PTSD, BWS, and the responding analysis by the prosecution is ALL the result of excuses offered by the defense to aid the fog, because the truth doesn’t sync with the affirmative defense of self defense. No excuses offered or accepted here in – but I can’t help but believe that the discussions we are having relative to these (and other) disorders is helpful to others. I like what I’m learning in here…

Moon

04/20/2013 at 12:50 am

touche’

Tracey A

04/20/2013 at 12:54 am

My Word! You are back Man! I’m still reading (from bottom up) but I am SO GLAD you have come back! Thanks Jim!

the ho has become much more braison in the court room too. Ever since she started her own twitter she seems to be daring the court to stop her with note passing, flipping the bird and smirks. it’s also disgusting how she sweeps her pencil and eraser shavings on to the floor, no regard to whoever has to clean them up. *smack*

markvark :
Our worthless media is just beside themselves that these two scumbags have at their roots a devotion to radical Islam (You know, the religion of peace). They were so hoping it
would be home grown types (White Christian, Right-Wing, Males).
If these guys had been Catholic or Protestant, our media would be diligently wanting to understand how THEIR RELIGION caused them to behave is such a reckless way. Heck, they wouldn’t even wait for all the facts to be known. In this case, however, since these two TERRORISTS follow radical Islam, the media now believes we should be very careful before speculating about what role their religion may have played. Pfft!
I loved right from the get-go, Boston Law Enforcement was calling these acts Terrorism! Got that President Obama; it’s called TERRORISM! Screw politically correct terms.

I’ve ignored more than one of your posts that are not applicable to this forum. I sincerely hope that I am not feeding a troll, but I do find your political views and verbiage to be out of line here, take them somewhere else! This forum is about a horrendous act of brutality against a fine young man. Justice for Travis

Tracey A

04/20/2013 at 12:47 am

I don’t even want to delve into this here. I understand an innocent remark here and there. but I don’t want to deal with this here. Please! Stop this now!

Tracey A

04/20/2013 at 12:48 am

And this is only a few posts ups. Please, let it go…this is not the topic here!

I hadn’t anticipated even commenting on that topic. I had replied to a comment by another poster. This isn’t an excuse, just saying. As you correctly point out, my post was
“not applicable to this forum.” I will refrain from any further commets outside of the trial

was going to put a quip in here.. but refrained… could have been viewed as bad taste!

BY THE WAY Heloooooooooooo Chrissie {{{{hugs}}}}

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 12:59 am

Wendy – I read the comments. I am an open minded person and have strong opinions. I have no problem agreeing to disagree. It’s no big deal and comes up in all arenas of life BUT anyone that truly defends JA??? Noooo, just too stupid and uncaring for me to even contemplate that there so many of this ilk are out there! Had to quit reading!

Crystal – I have no idea at all what is involved in changing the law but I do NOT think that you are crazy. Listening to how you were treated and discarded DURING his trial for raping YOU makes my blood boil. I would gladly assist you in lobby efforts and more. I really had no idea how rare the AZ victim advocacy law is until this trial and CA sorely needs something comparable and one that has some teeth. It’s just shameful that your rights as the VICTIM were totally ignored!

Syn – Can’t thank you enough for the complete answer upstairs. Reading your comment triggered my memory that you had posted about that a few weeks back. This time I think it’s out of the hallway and into long term memory! Is there any genetic component to PD’s???

Observer – Your comment about Jodi’s email to Travis in Jan 2007 sums it all up. You covered every base. One thing that I think we can all thank JW for is that she was stupid enough to bring up JA’s stalking in her opening statement!!! Juan never would have been able to get in all the peripheral references to all JA’s stalking if she had not done that. Or maybe I am wrong about this.

Thank you, NancyB! After changing the law in CA last year, I’m working up my energy for a 2nd run at it for things that still need to be done. 🙂

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 1:01 pm

Totally understandable the need to recoup and then harness your energy and resources to proceed. When the time is right for you please let me know how I might be able to assist you in any way possible. This is very important.

Kathy A.

04/20/2013 at 1:20 am

NancyB :
Kathy A – Terrifying to even imagine all of what you have been through in the past 7 years. Your comments have the same definitive ring of truth that all people that truly suffer with PTSD list. I can not imagine suffering the grief at such a violent and sudden major loss compounded by PTSD. ((((HUGS))))

Nancy –

Thank you for the hugs and kind words. I find myself almost subconsciously gritting my teeth whenever they start talking about JA having PTSD. 🙂 I just hope the jury sees everything for what it is – total BS. Maybe while she’s sitting in jail awaiting her lethal injection, she, Scott Peterson, and Drew Peterson can all write to each other and lament a la Scooby Doo style how “I’d have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling kids” and she can fade into the background and become just another numbered convict as they have.

I still cannot shake the feeling i have that at least one juror (maybe two) will not be fully convinced of the prosecutions arguments.

The juror question from Thursday that really bothered me was the one where the juror referenced the “Bear and Tiger.” Since the State will go last in closing arguments, maybe that will help sway any of the jurors on the fence. I hope I’m wrong here, but I don’t think i am.

Jim

04/20/2013 at 1:38 am

Not to worry, Mark – that bit of testimony has some memory to it, and is sure to come up in deliberations – if anyone is weak on it, the others will sort it out…

Jim, I’m hoping the common denominator that all of the jurors remember, if nothing else, is that Jodi is a habitual liar.

BTW, I may have missed it, but does JM have another expert next week?

Jim

04/20/2013 at 2:36 am

Mark, I have lost track, but seem to remember someone being very definitive about it here recently – still yet to come (and there may be others by now) are custodians of record for both walmart, and a gas station in utah…

Mark, I personally don’t think that question is a problem. If it is, as Jim said that juror will probably be bringing it up at deliberation and others will put their viewpoints forward. Plus even if there is a slight undertone there that I’m not detecting, she still slit his throat. There is no getting passed that and PTSD, no matter what the Defense claims, does not come even close to explaining that one. Which is why the actually wounds and their nature were not brought up with either Dodgy or LaLa.. nothing to see there folks just look at PTSD.

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 2:32 am

Yes Mark – Observer lists the witnesses that we know of upstairs currently at #430.

Jim

04/20/2013 at 2:38 am

Thanks Nancy! JM is hot about the gas/cans, so those are just too easy for me to remember…

Ya know what…I’m gonna post this here. My mother first used a yardstick on me. Until it broke. Then she graduated to a wooden spoon. I never, and I mean NEVER took this as abuse. She never left welts on me….EVER!!!!!!! It was more of an attention getter than anything. Now most of the parents have their kids on drugs. Unheard of when I was a kid. I’m disgusted by this new theory of drug the kids. I’m sorry….my parents never abused me…Ever! They may not have known better but here I am today. My parents alcohol abuse may have been more a problem later in life but they never ever abused me. I’m done for the nite. Take care all. BF is cooking some Alaskan salmon I bought at Costco. I’m gonna delve into that in rather than deal with Islam, Muslim and the other new theories. I don’t want to hear any more of that here. EVER!!! I can tune into the news if I want to hear that.

Nite all!!! I’m sorry for all of you that I have not responded to, if any. Enough is enough.

Jim!!! So glad you are back. Please stay, my voice of reason!!! 😀

Jim

04/20/2013 at 1:40 am

Good night Tracey! 🙂 and thanks for the dinner idea for tomorrow! that’ll hit the spot!

I agree with the drugs to kids. In my line there is a huge debate on that. Big pharma is involved and I see Brave New World… but…. that’s again a side issue and not for this forum.

Ypu take care and come back soon.. and enjoy that salmon sounds delish… and Costco… isn’t that the water Jodistein referenced in her hand washing exercise in the desert? How bizarre was that reference… in a fog and she names where she got the water from… 🙄 it’s just all toooooooo bizarre for me!

nighty night! come back soon! {{{{{hugs}}}}}

Gateway

04/20/2013 at 1:39 am

I don’t know if anyone caught this earlier this week on HLN, but when JA’s parents were called to come to the Police Department to be interviewed,the father dropped the mother off there & evidently left. WTH did they think this was – a parking citation?????

Kathy A. :
Just want to put my two cents in regarding PTSD triggers and the bear vs. tiger debate. This is just my own opinion and experience. Seven years ago, my husband was shot and killed 25 feet away from me. I have been diagnosed with PTSD and have gone through lots of therapy. I believe the things that trigger flashbacks and the intrusive thoughts that take me back to that day (which I can remember every thing about with crystal clarity. I only wish a fog would step in and help me out) would be very different if, say, I had shot and killed him or I had witnessed a complete stranger being killed. Two strangers breaking in and killing someone in front of you and putting you in danger is a completely different trauma than being attacked and having to defend yourself from someone you love (since that’s her story). I believe, again based on just my own experience, that even something as subtle between a bear and a tiger can have a profound effect on how one experiences and relates a trauma.

I thank you for sharing this with us to help clarify this issue, but most of all for helping us see how real and terrifyiing such an event would be.

I am truly sorry you had to experience such a terrifying and tragic ordeal. My heart goes out to you and I cannot imagine what it is like being in your position. I hope you can put the pieces back together and I wish you God’s speed in your recovery such that it will be.

HJ Madison

04/20/2013 at 1:52 am

Jim: Do you know, will the jury also get a “manslaughter” charge here? Or is it strictly a choice between 1st or 2nd. And is the 1st strictly tied to premeditation (and not felony murder)?

Jim

04/20/2013 at 2:07 am

lesser included charges will have to be argued over – I get the sense that JM has no interest whatsoever in lesser included (as he has already passed on a plea from JA). As this is tied to jury instructions, and jury instructions are often referred to in closing arguments, that may have been what they were working on yesterday. As for felony murder, I’m not aware of any other charges pending against her – felony murder is usually the result of a murder occurring during the commission of a (another) felony

HJ Madison

04/20/2013 at 3:14 pm

Thank you. I think I latched onto felony murder via older court docs posted and when JA was still claiming the ninja story.

Kathy A.

04/20/2013 at 4:25 am

Thank you, Syntara. I really enjoy reading your posts and your insights. I still have a bad day now and then but for the most part I have been able to move on and put the past in it’s rightful place and realize when I have a flashback that it is not happening in real time, that I’m here now and can push the thoughts back where they belong.

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 2:13 am

I’ve been thinking about JW’s cross of Dr D when JW referred to JA’s kicking her mother when she was young. I am positive there has also been testimony about JA, as an adult, kicking her mom in a restaurant in Mesa. This occurred when Sandy flew there to help JA pack for her move back to CA. Do any of you remember this too? I can’t remember how we know that, though.

The only thing I have put together is that Dr. D doesn’t have all the information we have. Witnesses are not allowed to watch the trial and I think that JW took advantage of that and posed the question to her insisting “all of those incidents took place when she was a teenager, didn’t they?” Knowing full well that Dr D had never heard that testimony from the kicking incident from 2008 in Mesa and purposely misrepresenting the fact that her violent episodes are longstanding and did not end when she was a teenager. By the way, what teenager kicks there mother? JW makes it sound insignificant and acceptable.

Jim

04/20/2013 at 2:23 am

I can’t remember either – but if it did come in, I would think it would be JM’s cross of LaLa.

Tracey A

04/20/2013 at 2:31 am

Hey Bud! You still here?????

Jim

04/20/2013 at 2:40 am

yah! 🙂

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 2:40 am

You are so smart! That is exactly when we heard it! Thanks. Off to bed and see you tomr.

Nancy… I reckon and this is just from a professional standpoint.. that when Dr D is privy to all of it she is gonna sit down, mouth agape and just say “hollllyyyyy shhhiaaaatt”

As for the other issues you raised sorry can’t help you I remember her going to help her pack and Jodisteins fear of them snooping (read outing her lies). Thats all I know about that issue. Be interested in what more you have on that.

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 2:42 am

Syn – you’re a delight! LOL when Dr D catches up in total!!! And I am quite sure that you are right that she definitely will.

I think that JW took advantage of that and posed the question to her insisting “all of those incidents took place when she was a teenager, didn’t they?” Knowing full well that Dr D had never heard that testimony from the kicking incident from 2008 in Mesa and purposely misrepresenting the fact that her violent episodes are longstanding and did not end when she was a teenager.

Hey Nancy… I have another take on this to add to yours…. Remember Dr D was testifying and she said she had ‘heard’ Jodi say something.. can’t remember what it was at the moment. Perky swung around and said accusingly “you heard her say it?” as if to suggest Dr D had been watching the trial. Dr D clarifies and calmly states” yes in the interrogation videos” with the detective .

When that happened i remember thinking “Perky get over yourself…… she has too much integrity and values her future far too much to be watching the damn trial”

Commerce1

04/20/2013 at 3:13 am

What kind of psychotic bitch period kicks their mother? It’s scary, but this reminds me of my sociopathic ex-husband. He used to kick our then 5 year old son IN FRONT OF WITNESSES after my son kicked him (wonder where he learned to do that?) and say, as if it were perfectly reasonable…….”Well he kicked me first.”

Thank God removing my son from that environment at 5 years old has cured him of those behaviors. He was simply mimicking Daddy. Imagine if I had stayed what he would have learned by now, as he will be 12 next month.

How were you able to keep your son away from his dad? I’ve been fighting the battle from hell to keep my two boys safe from their dad, even taking our case to the Appeals Court. People can’t believe what I’ve gone through in this dept.

Commerce1

04/20/2013 at 1:55 pm

Crystal – I installed hidden video cameras in our home to capture his behavior on tape because otherwise no one would believe me. In public he was charming, very successful, professional, etc. Behind closed doors a monster. As a result of the videos, his contact with our son was supervised for a year. I also had a parenting coordinator appointed. He is now under so much scrutiny he wouldn’t dare lay a hand on our son. And my son only has to see him 4 times a month for 1 day each time. I also had him convicted of domestic violence against me. All of this attention keeps him in line because he’s afraid of people finding out and being revealed for the monster he is. Each little bit helps because it makes the next police officer, judge, or psychologist believe your story a bit more. My son getting older helps too because he can speak for himself and be believed. When he was younger it was very hard.

YES! I had asked this same question upstairs and got no answer. I know I heard this info, I believe Juan brought it out during questioning of some witness a while back. But now the Defense keeps insisting her violence was all when she was a teen, and they are misrepresenting, which an attorney isn’t even allowed to do in court. Why is this important information going unanswered? It’s making me crazy.

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 12:55 pm

Me too. There is a significant difference in my mind of kicking your mother as a teenager (big red flag) compared to a 28 yr old woman kicking her mother and doing it in public! (huge red flag!) By the way, Mama Arias got on the next plane and hightailed it out of AZ.

Totally wanting to see the ME back and hear what he has to say. I sooo hope the information that he is being recalled is correct. I would assume it is because he needs to rebutt aspects jodistein raised in her testimony as does Detective Flores. Looking forward to that to refocus everything on the crime itself rather than Jodistein’s evil nature.

Not that the two aren’t intrinsically entwined of course, but you know what I mean.

Hey Trace.. ya the reason I’ve now adopted Jodistein is twofold.. first off, of course it’s a play on words with her being Einstein and secondly really she’s more akin to Frankenstein’s monster.. so I figure it’s very apt and rather smartypants. 😛

Also have a wicked picture of Jodistein which I’d like to post here but have no idea how so take a look sometime.

Kathy A. :
Speaking of parental discipline, does anyone know if Jodi was disciplined at all for hitting and kicking her mother, or did the mother just take it and chalk it up to Jodi’s problems? I just wondered because I know if I had even attempted to kick or attack my mother in anyway, OMG I don’t even want to imagine what would have happened to me. It wouldn’t have been pretty.

Kathy this is an interesting observation. I felt Doofus was a spoiled brat too. Even as an adult his mother always excused his atrocious behaviour. I tried numerous times to make her see sense but her response was always “I don’t know anything about that” and she would do everything for him.

I always felt had he been forced to cut ties with her a lot earlier in his life he may not have turned out the way he did. I always felt she was a HUGE part of the foundation of his disorder or at least the feeding of his natural proclivity.

Interestingly in the same vain. In the 48 hours mystery documentary (original) Jodi claimed an almost “ideal” childhood up to a certain age. Did she get everything her way to that point and when something changed she didn’t like she had no tools to cope with it? Thus setting the pervasive pattern?

Janeto

04/20/2013 at 9:18 am

donchais- thank you again for a great recap! You always keep me on my toes, up to date, and I certainly do NOT drink anything when reading your recaps! I’ve learned that early on!. Thank you for all that you do and allowing us to play in your sandbox safely, & free from trolls! I have learned so much from you and ALL the others on here, and it’s an absolute joy to find this GEM of a site. You are truly awesome and I bow to you!! “my metal hat with antennas” is off to you! Love you “Mom!”

I don’t want to hold you up, I’ve been reading over all your “professional” posts, and I just wanted to thank you for finding this site! I admire you for what you do, and how you break all the behavioral issues, down to layman terms for all of us! Your knowledge and your sense of humor are very refreshing! I’ve learned so much from you, and I want to thank you for that alone. I know others on this site have other professions, and are very smart and awesome also, and I’ll address them later, but just wanted you to know, personally, that I think you are just awesome! 😉

aww thanks Janeto.. seriously it’s my passion now.. cos of what I went through so it’s not an issue to me at all. I’m blessed to be working in an area so close to my heart.

I’m glad you get something out of my waffling 😀 Thanks for saying so.

Janeto

04/20/2013 at 9:48 am

Syntara :
aww thanks Janeto.. seriously it’s my passion now.. cos of what I went through so it’s not an issue to me at all. I’m blessed to be working in an area so close to my heart.
I’m glad you get something out of my waffling Thanks for saying so.

😆 waffling? 🙄 You’re too much, and very humble to boot! I’ll leave you alone now. My internet is “off and onish” this morning! What a pain!! A lot of the reason I’m not on here much…Thanks again!

Anna

04/20/2013 at 10:47 am

That’s a bummer, Janeto! Can’t you get someone to fix it? Dang, wish I could help….

janeto

04/20/2013 at 11:19 am

Hey Anna! Well if I didn’t have such a dinosaur lap top that might help, but u know how that goes! Thx for the offer! 😆

Anna

04/20/2013 at 10:46 am

Syn, plz see me upstairs when you got the time, sweetstuff 🙂
Hi to alll out there – hope everyone is having/will have/has had a nice Saturday!!

Kathy A. :
I agree. I don’t know where Nurmi thinks he is, but he sure doesn’t act like he’s in court. .

He doesn’t want to be there at all. I’m guessing he tried to ditch the job when the other defense council dropped out (Willnot-win’s) predecessor), but the judge twisted his arm so there’d be some continuity. Most of the time he looks like he’d rather be under the bathroom sink, fixing a leaky faucet, then under the spotlight of howling criticism he’s getting from social media posters like us, out for his blood.

Kathy A. :
“Speaking of parental discipline, does anyone know if Jodi was disciplined at all for hitting and kicking her mother, or did the mother just take it and chalk it up to Jodi’s problems?”

Maybe that’s when her mother hit her with the spoon… Momma’s self-defense theory 🙂

HJ Madison

04/20/2013 at 3:40 pm

Jay: He did try to ditch out and was ordered to remain. I will see if I can find where I read this and what were the details.

Anna

04/20/2013 at 12:08 pm

Syntara :
Anna wanna know what I am? you can then go read all about me!

No Syn.I have no interest whatsoever. Why would I? I mean, obviously I don’t like you 😆 and think that little test of yours is sooo unscientific! Pffft! Shall I plan to taunt you a second time??? Get on wit it, girlie 🙂

well actually Im kinda weird…. yes like thats a freakin shocker to anyone… but ok that aside.. 😛 There’s one question I find ambiguous and if I answer it one way I’m INTP, if I answer it the other I’m ENTP so seems I’m right on the cusp but personally I think I lean more to ENTP so I’m claiming that.

Anna

04/20/2013 at 12:19 pm

oh wow….it actually comes down to one question??? now that’s really interesting because right after I first took it, got my score and started reading, my computer crashed…took me a while to back there, but my result was the same. hmmmm, should everyone re-test?

the only reason i did is because I scored it one way on that one ambiguous quesions.. then I scored it the other way answering the ambiguous the alternate way and lo and behold that one question puts me in one or the other category.. so it’s just saying I’m on the cusp … and no you should not need to retest if you felt no ambiguity

Anna

04/20/2013 at 12:23 pm

of course now i’m dying to know which question…..inquiring minds, or, perhaps just Gladys Kravitz, want to know lol

lol I can’t remember now it’s years since I took it. So you will just have to quell that curiosity 😀

Anna

04/20/2013 at 12:31 pm

also, sorry…i did find like 4 questions made me think really hard…and sometimes thought, ‘do i answer as me now, or me once upon a time…’ I don’t know if that makes any sense? gosh, now i’m gonna have to take it again you know! hope this doesn’t end up making me worse!! lol? 😀

@MIKE_MN6 No, still no word on exactly what the (Friday) hearing was about unfortunately.

Anna

04/20/2013 at 12:16 pm

Would anyone put stock in this handwriting analysis of the jodistein? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcY3SoP3jk4 The thing that’s most interesting to me is that is was posted on Jan. 28th – before it even took the stand…just sayin’, I don’t know. But you can have your handwriting judged for $20. You don’t even want to know how much I let my emotions flow on paper….and I love to doodle. I don’t want to know what it means!!!! 🙂

Anna

04/20/2013 at 12:32 pm

Syntara :
lol I can’t remember now it’s years since I took it. So you will just have to quell that curiosity

Oh, Crap!

Anna

04/20/2013 at 12:41 pm

[‘scuze me…syn? if i ever get my blog going will you come play in the sandbox?]

sure if you can ever get into mine! 😛 nah I would anyway you know that! 🙄

Anna

04/20/2013 at 1:28 pm

but how would I tell just you & not the www? could I send you a couple of magazines to closely peruse? tee hee I don’t remember you having a site? Where? That did not make it out of my swirling campus of hippos…for some reason… Anyway, maybe Mom could send you my email address and you can tell me that way, if you want…..absolutely No Worries either way, okay!!! btw I love ENTP’s! Love ‘em, I do! I’m gonna have to (sorry everyone) post something later cuz we are very similar in a lot of ways, me thinks…but for now, you seem waaay more like Bugs Bunny than Wile E. Coyote. And besides, I’m Wile E. Super genius – Annastein!!! bye for now…off to find my batcape…lol

NancyB :
I’ve been thinking about JW’s cross of Dr D when JW referred to JA’s kicking her mother when she was young. I am positive there has also been testimony about JA, as an adult, kicking her mom in a restaurant in Mesa. This occurred when Sandy flew there to help JA pack for her move back to CA. Do any of you remember this too? I can’t remember how we know that, though.

Nancy, I think the testimony about Mesa may have been that Arias “kicked out” her mother for being judgmental, not physically booted her.

The other trial testimony about Arias kicking her mother was during Martinez’s cross of Samuels, when she was a teenager:

“When she was a teenager, isn’t it true that the defendant had such anger toward her mother Sandy, that she treated her like crap,” said Martinez.
“Yes,” said Samuels.
“And isn’t it true that they argued all the time, right?” asked Martinez.
“Yes,” said Samuels.
“And isn’t it true that during that time, the defendant hit Sandy for no reason?” asked Martinez.
“Yes,” said Samuels.
“And this was all before this June 4, 2008 incident?” asked Martinez.
“But it’s irrelevant for the diagnosis,” said Samuels.
“Am I asking you that?” asked Martinez.
Martinez also referenced another incident when Arias allegedly became physically violent with her mother.
“Isn’t it true that, at some point, one of the times that they were together, they were sitting down for dinner or something and isn’t it true that the defendant got mad and kicked Sandy for no reason?”
“I read that, yes,” said Samuels.
“For no reason, right?” asked Martinez.
“That’s what it says, yes,” said Samuels.

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 1:13 pm

Hi Mark – Thanks for finding this part of Samuels testiphony. Do you know what day and # of the video?

An American Psychiatric Association study concluded that ‘”physicians with affective disorders tend to select psychiatry as a specialty.”…

…In a 1993 study, James Guy, Ph.D., dean of the School of Psychology at Fuller Theological Seminary, compared the early childhood experiences of female psychotherapists to those of other professional women. The therapists reported higher rates of family dysfunction, parental alcoholism, sexual and physical abuse, and parental death or psychiatric hospitalization than did their professional counterparts. And a 1992 survey of male and female therapists found that more than two-thirds of the women and one-third of the men reported having experienced some form of sexual or physical abuse in early life. Freud seems to have been right about this one: The mental health professions attract people who have suffered….
A number of surveys, conducted by Guy and others, reveal some worri-some statistics about therapists’ lives and well-being. At least three out of four therapists have experienced major distress within the past three years, the principal cause being relationship problems. More than 60 percent may have suffered a clinically significant depression at some point in their lives, and nearly half admitted that in the weeks following a personal crisis they’re unable to deliver quality care. As for psychiatrists, a 1997 study by Michael Klag, M.D., found that the divorce rate for psychiatrists who graduated from Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine between 1948 and 1964 was 51 percent—higher than that of the general population of that era, and substantially higher than the rate in any other branch of medicine”

Jay’s RX for distressed psychologists and therapists and psychiatrists and especially those foolish enough to engage in expert witness activities: tequila shooters with lunch; chilled martini’s dry with and/or after dinner; two shots of Makers Mark before bedtime.

Anna

04/20/2013 at 1:35 pm

Would you prefer Gran Patrón Platinum or Casa Herradua Seleccion Suprema? {{{hands Jay his order}}} It’s on the house!

Cabo Wabo my favorite presently. It was developed by the musician Sammy Hager at his Mexican Cantina of the same name back in the 1990s, and was only available at the restaurant. Now it’s available everywhere, including Costco! Mellow, good flavor, no hang-over, reasonably priced.

Anna

04/20/2013 at 2:18 pm

I’ve been to his place!!!! can’t drive 55 was a silly young motto of mine…. 🙂 I’m doing as you said and having my afternoon calm downs. *clink*

Anna

04/20/2013 at 2:23 pm

oh, & btw Jay, would you mind telling us which type of “neer-do-well” you are? No worries, mate 😉

Jung Myers Briggs personality typology. I recommended it to Anna some time ago because of a question she asked me. The one I sent her was a close representation of it. Now she’s got her whole family involved 😀

It’s a personality profile that breaks everyone into 16 types. Developed originally by Carl Jung and updated by Isabel Briggs Meyer.

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 1:58 pm

Thanks – now I remember!

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 2:11 pm

Actually, about 15 yrs ago I took that test at a 3 day corporate job orientation!

Nancy B — I don’t know the day/video # but I specifically remember Samuels’ testimony about WOBO kicking her mother in Mesa. After she had called her mother to come help her move, they were at a restaurant and WOBO kicked her mother for no reason; her mother left the next morning. (It seems her departure was unplanned; in other words, she left without helping WOBO move.) This was a serious blow to ALV’s credibility; the jurors KNEW she was lying/not willing to admit the truth, when they asked her about WOBO kicking her mother, and she said “Oh, that was when she was a teenager.” One, the kicking-as-a-teenager hadn’t been testified to but the instance in Mesa had, and second, the jurors knew exactly when it had happened (when WOBO was 28 and getting ready to move.) The jurors KNEW that and the question was an obvious challenge to her credibility; I even commented on this specific question when it was asked/answered because it was such a blatant challenge to the “pacifist” picture ALV tried to paint. This can’t even be chalked up to the same category as the “tiger vs bear” question; this was a very specific question about a very specific event, and ALV blew it big time.

As I’ve said before, jurors may tolerate a LITTLE BIT of bias in an expert’s testimony, but they will NOT tolerate being lied to in response to one of their own questions.

NancyB

04/20/2013 at 2:13 pm

Thanks so much Schaeffer! You have all the details that I was unable to recall! 🙂

Here’s the video of the testimony about kicking her mom. Doesn’t mention it happening in Mesa. Martinez’s words are ‘at some time’ they sat down for dinner and she kicked her mother. Maybe Mesa was mentioned in relation to a kicking incident in other testimony but I haven’t been able to locate that.

Hi Jim, or any of you ‘legal-eagles’ (do you guys hate this term??) on here know if once a witness has testified, are they allowed then to watch coverage of the trial, or must they refrain until after the trial is over, including the penalty phase, for which they might be called to testify? For example, Dr. D? Could she be recalled, or called to give testimony during the penalty phase? Basically, at what point are witnesses allowed to watch the live stream or footage? Thx.

Anna

04/20/2013 at 2:27 pm

I had not seen this til now, have y’all?

HJ Madison

04/20/2013 at 2:50 pm

Ooooo .. good catch Anna! I wish we could have seen Brewer’s face.

Anna

04/20/2013 at 2:55 pm

oh, me too…..! but i’m afraid he wasn’t being completely forthright with us all, and guessing he doesn’t have hair to hide behind, he simply said ‘don’t look at me right now!’….this has got to prove pre-med right?

Douglme

04/20/2013 at 2:55 pm

Why is it that we couldn’t see him testify? Anyone know?

HJ Madison

04/20/2013 at 3:18 pm

He simply asked and the court complied. Any of witnesses could have made the same request. The jury saw him and everyone in the courtroom — just the camera was precluded from showing him.

HJ Madison

04/20/2013 at 3:34 pm

Anna: It is one more compelling piece in an ever growing list. The caliber of the gun that links it to the stolen one from the GP’s, the extra gas can from Walmart, the purchase of gas that adds to the volume of the gas cans, the upside down license plate, the camera going thru a wash cycle, the missing floor mats when she returned the rental car, now the nugget you found. So that juror who asked the lion/bear question….. when the jury gets to deliberations and they put it all together …. lions, tigers, bears will be irrelevant. In fact, I do not think I can recall a case with this much circumstantial evidence that points to premeditation and intentional coverup. If JA does not get murder in the 1st I will really loose all faith in our system!

Kristy

04/20/2013 at 3:15 pm

I bet JM is going to say it was a barter if he hasn’t already. I didn’t know that a DVD player was also stolen, now that’s suspicious.

Anna

04/20/2013 at 2:34 pm

Hey…I hope MMD hasn’t fallen & can’t get up after being forced to watch “What’s Up, Doc” ET phone home….give us a sign….

Kristy

04/20/2013 at 3:17 pm

Does anyone know why Jodi’s hard drive was destroyed? Or did she do it to avoid evidence being found?

nellie

04/20/2013 at 3:28 pm

my first read of this YOU ARE GREAT!!!!. You have everything pretty much that I have yelled to my tv, AND it’s my TAXES, they are dwindling, Gus Searcy is knee deep with Jodar
he probably helped with her hard drive was there during interragaions. MMMMMMM

donchais

04/20/2013 at 3:40 pm

Sandbox raked and flowers planted…please move to the new enhanced playground!