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I accidentally made a mistake and had one of the TIPS set to be unlocked by the wrong password, when it should be unlocked by the Cure Route password. I've posted a fix on the patch page, so please pick it up.

Thanks for the awesome translation! Just finished all of the arcs and trying to do the append story, but when I click on append story in the menu nothing happens. Is there something special you have to do to unlock it? I already finished all the routes. There's still some things I'm confused about after the Izumi Cure Route, so hopefully the append story clears some things up.

Thanks for the awesome translation! Just finished all of the arcs and trying to do the append story, but when I click on append story in the menu nothing happens. Is there something special you have to do to unlock it? I already finished all the routes. There's still some things I'm confused about after the Izumi Cure Route, so hopefully the append story clears some things up.

Go to your Never7 folder and check the "append" folder. You should see another folder titled "yuka_cure". Do you see it?

BTW, some of the questions posed after Izumi Cure are never really "answered". If you have any questions, feel free to ask, and I'll do my best to answer them. I've come up with several "answers" of my own.

Are there any .snr files in your Never7 directory? If so, do this:
Create a directory "append-en" in your N7 directory.
Create a directory "yuka_cure" in the "append-en" directory.
Move all the c_yuka#.snr files into append-en/yuka_cure.
Move all the other .snr files into append-en/.

Alright that did it, thanks. All of the .snr files were in the manual-en folder. The append story has 4 things: Append Story Character Sprite Demo, AppendStory BGM Demo, Test Mode, and Yuka Cure. Is that all of them? Also, is Yuka Cure supposed to not have voices in it?

OK. So, finished with everything but one of the bad ends (Izumi's) and whatever the final thing in the clear list is, but I read all the TIPs so i think I have a pretty comprehensive view of the story.

OK, so, there are some things in this game that make Ever17 make 0 sense. So, Julia got Cure Virus from her friend who had the PSYCHOLOGICAL disorder of Cure Syndrome...how does a psychological disorder make your dna change?? Also, her friend supposedly only touched her. If that's the case, shouldn't Coco have been exosed to Cure before they gave her the anitbodies? I'm pretty sure Tsugumi touched her when she saved her from the boxes both...plus, if they all had Cure and could make delusions reality as long as they believed in them, why did they even need BlickWinckel anyway? >.<

and then, reading the timeline, it seems to imply that even SATORU had Cure somehow because he had such a firm belief in SELF that he made it exist...what???

Well, really, Cure itself makes no sense. In Ever17 it was just some weird evil virus, but now it's also a kind of delusion that can make other people believe your delusions? And in Izumi & Makoto's case, they weren't just sharing an idea, they were sharing an entire universe...How can two people have that exact same delusion? They were basically two individuals living in their own imaginations, so how could their imaginations overlap? It doesn't make any sense...and wouldn't realizing it's all a delusion make the delusion collapse anyway?

Maybe I'm just oversimplifying Cure Syndrome and Cure Virus into the same thing or completely misunderstanding, well, everything, but since Julia's friend had the syndrome and managed to give Julia the virus, this implies to me they are basically the same thing, since all of the symptoms of the syndrome were passed on via the virus (delusions becoming reality, esp. in regards to healing). The only real difference I can see between the two is that Syndrome is psychological, but the virus actually affects your dna. Never7 seems to only deal with the psychological aspect since no one seems to have super-healing abilities or anything like that, but then I really don't get how Julia got a dna-warping virus from a friend's psychological condition...unless her friend only had the psychological conditions because he also had the virus OR he only had the virus but his doctor was convinced it was all psychological...in which case, does the syndrome even exist?? It MUST, or else Never7 makes no sense...ahhh I am so confused.

sorry, that was ramble-y and made no sense, but basically I just want to know what exactly the virus is versus the syndrome/if there IS a difference and if there is, how could something psychological become a physical virus that changes dna...

I was under the impression that Izumi was wrong about her explanation of how the world was working. Yuka Cure doesn't make sense if she's simply a delusion, people give him information he could not have had prior to the loop beginning and Izumi's explanation made it sound like she was saying "From your position, I am simply a delusion, but really it would be that you're a delusion of mine." This makes no sense because either we see the person's thoughts or we are receiving information Makoto could not have and does not really understand.

As for Cure, I assume that Cure Syndrome created the Cure Virus, which was then a genuine organism. It would be like Tsugumi was the first real carrier of the virus because Julia believed she had an immortality inducing touch (a delusion) but Tsugumi never knew about that and thus became immortal but in a different way. Thus, Tom was the source of the immortality, but Julia and Tsugumi were mutually the source of the virus. This is perhaps why Tsugumi's form of immortality was so valuable to Lieblich and more complete than everyone else's: Everyone else just had a partial form since their ability was merely a delusion and not a virus. Also, they wouldn't be contagious in quite the same way as Tsugumi.

As for why Coco and the others didn't get it merely from a touch, perhaps since it's a virus now it doesn't spread so easily. Diseases have different communicability methods. In truth, this is kind of iffy logic, but since the series as a whole runs on logic like that I can accept it.

OK. So, finished with everything but one of the bad ends (Izumi's) and whatever the final thing in the clear list is, but I read all the TIPs so i think I have a pretty comprehensive view of the story.

OK, so, there are some things in this game that make Ever17 make 0 sense. So, Julia got Cure Virus from her friend who had the PSYCHOLOGICAL disorder of Cure Syndrome...how does a psychological disorder make your dna change?? Also, her friend supposedly only touched her. If that's the case, shouldn't Coco have been exosed to Cure before they gave her the anitbodies? I'm pretty sure Tsugumi touched her when she saved her from the boxes both...plus, if they all had Cure and could make delusions reality as long as they believed in them, why did they even need BlickWinckel anyway? >.<

and then, reading the timeline, it seems to imply that even SATORU had Cure somehow because he had such a firm belief in SELF that he made it exist...what???

Well, really, Cure itself makes no sense. In Ever17 it was just some weird evil virus, but now it's also a kind of delusion that can make other people believe your delusions? And in Izumi & Makoto's case, they weren't just sharing an idea, they were sharing an entire universe...How can two people have that exact same delusion? They were basically two individuals living in their own imaginations, so how could their imaginations overlap? It doesn't make any sense...and wouldn't realizing it's all a delusion make the delusion collapse anyway?

Maybe I'm just oversimplifying Cure Syndrome and Cure Virus into the same thing or completely misunderstanding, well, everything, but since Julia's friend had the syndrome and managed to give Julia the virus, this implies to me they are basically the same thing, since all of the symptoms of the syndrome were passed on via the virus (delusions becoming reality, esp. in regards to healing). The only real difference I can see between the two is that Syndrome is psychological, but the virus actually affects your dna. Never7 seems to only deal with the psychological aspect since no one seems to have super-healing abilities or anything like that, but then I really don't get how Julia got a dna-warping virus from a friend's psychological condition...unless her friend only had the psychological conditions because he also had the virus OR he only had the virus but his doctor was convinced it was all psychological...in which case, does the syndrome even exist?? It MUST, or else Never7 makes no sense...ahhh I am so confused.

sorry, that was ramble-y and made no sense, but basically I just want to know what exactly the virus is versus the syndrome/if there IS a difference and if there is, how could something psychological become a physical virus that changes dna...

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First of all, there's something I have to clear up that makes a lot of difference at the base of your reasoning. 'Cure Syndrome' is not just a disorder, it's a phenomenon. It's not something you 'have', it's something that 'happens'. The 'reality bending depending on your interpretation' phenomenon is something everyone has, and people who have experienced it are said to be afflicted with 'Cure syndrome'.

As for the virus...Tom received a healing touch through Cure Syndrome. He used this to cure Julia. The fellow patients believed this was due to some kind of immortality virus and hoped to be infected with that virus as well, and due to Cure Syndrome this virus became a reality in the form of the Cure Virus, which infected them all (plus Tsugumi; not sure how exactly she got infected, maybe also due to believing in it with Cure Syndrome). This new Cure Virus changes DNA and only spreads through blood contact or whatever methods work for Ever17's Cure.

As for why Ever17 couldn't be solved due to the Cure Syndrome, I believe there are two reasons:
1) None of the characters were aware of Cure Syndrome, only of the Cure Virus.
2) It's very possible that Cure Syndrome does not work if you're consciously aware of it. Cure Syndrome requires people to strongly believe in a falsehood, and turns that falsehood into a reality. You can't trick yourself into thinking something is true when you know it's not, so you can't purposely trigger Cure Syndrome.

That said, Ever17 was most likely eventually solved due to Cure Syndrome, as I posted in the 999 thread:

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You, Coco and (probably?) Kaburaki's belief in a four-dimensional being, combined with You and Kaburaki's desire to save Takeshi and Coco, causes them to 'be able to contact a four-dimensional being that could save their friends' through Cure Syndrome. As a result, Blick Winkel comes into existence (or rather, has already come into existence from that moment onwards), with the paradox already in place so as to make his appearance at that time, in that place possible.

And yes, you are correct that in that it's possible for the reason for Self's existence to be that Satoru believed he exists in 2009, as per the infinity timeline:

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Satoru devises the "YUKIDOH Plan
Jumping at the opportunity of the Awazumi incident, Satoru builds confidence in his own thinking.
Borrowing Inubushi's words, he christens the "Transcendental Will (Or rather, intelligence)" as "Self."
Can such a being really exist?
Was this evidence of its existence, or was this an illusion created from his desire for it to exist?
Soon, Satoru devises a plan.
A plan to lure "Self" to this world,
-The "YUKIDOH Plan.

(Which makes Remember11's story even more of a clusterfuck when you consider that the reason his sister "died" might have been only because he caused Self to exist.)

As for Makoto and Izumi in Never7, the entire story was Makoto's "delusion" (depending on your definition of delusion, considering it's real) that became reality, due to multiple people being convinced that Makoto can time travel.

...or at least in Izumi route. It's confirmed that at least in Yuka Route, Cure Syndrome does not exist. Have fun trying to make sense of it.

So I guess I can get that everyone's belief that Tom's curing ability was due to a virus made the virus actually come into existence. That solves the Cure Virus question. But it still doesn't make sense that Izumi and Makoto shared the exact same alternate perception of the world. And why couldn't Cure be operating in Yuka's path? They were convinced they could time travel because of bells, so they were able to bend their reality so that it appeared to them that they really did travel into the past. Though it still doesn't really explain how only the two of them managed to share the exact same changed perception in reality. I can buy what happened in Ever17 because in that case it was just the existence of BlickWinkel they all shared (a single thing) as opposed to an entirely different world of sorts that involved time travel that no one else seemed to be in on. In short, I can see how the logic of Cure Syndrome can make a single thing like the Cure Virus or BlickWinkel come into existence, but an entirely different reality that only two people share like the infinity loop in Never7 is a little harder to swallow. But I guess it is what it is and I'll have to deal 8D ersonally I liked the infinity series without knowing about the Cure Syndrome...now it seems like a cop-out explanation for everything. Yes, I know Never7 came first and therefore you're SUPPOSED to know about Cure Syndrome before playing Ever17 and Remember11, but I liked them better when Self & BlickWinkel's appearance couldn't just be based on "well, they believed it was real, so it was."

So I guess I can get that everyone's belief that Tom's curing ability was due to a virus made the virus actually come into existence. That solves the Cure Virus question. But it still doesn't make sense that Izumi and Makoto shared the exact same alternate perception of the world. And why couldn't Cure be operating in Yuka's path? They were convinced they could time travel because of bells, so they were able to bend their reality so that it appeared to them that they really did travel into the past. Though it still doesn't really explain how only the two of them managed to share the exact same changed perception in reality. I can buy what happened in Ever17 because in that case it was just the existence of BlickWinkel they all shared (a single thing) as opposed to an entirely different world of sorts that involved time travel that no one else seemed to be in on. In short, I can see how the logic of Cure Syndrome can make a single thing like the Cure Virus or BlickWinkel come into existence, but an entirely different reality that only two people share like the infinity loop in Never7 is a little harder to swallow. But I guess it is what it is and I'll have to deal 8D ersonally I liked the infinity series without knowing about the Cure Syndrome...now it seems like a cop-out explanation for everything. Yes, I know Never7 came first and therefore you're SUPPOSED to know about Cure Syndrome before playing Ever17 and Remember11, but I liked them better when Self & BlickWinkel's appearance couldn't just be based on "well, they believed it was real, so it was."

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Well, some pointers to think about:

1) In the Dreamcast/PS2 version, the 2 Cure ending were called "CURE A" and "CURE B". However, in the PSP version, these 2 endings were renamed as "Izumi CURE Good Ending" and "Izumi CURE Normal Ending" IIRC. Why was the rename there? And why not name it "Izumi CURE True ending"(For CURE A)?

2) In E17 PSP Tips section, regarding the tip on CURE, it is noted out that there is no clear answer of which came first, CURE Syndrome or CURE Virus. "Did Tom's Cure Syndrome caused the appearance of Cure Virus in the body of Julia or Did Julia's Cure Virus caused everyone else to have Cure Syndrome"(Chance of cross contamination in a hospital is very low). This is what iirc written inside the tips section.

3) In Izumi's normal route, whenever Makoto goes and kiss someone, he faints straight away. Furthermore, there is no escaping of the island for whatever reason. Is this an act of nature, or is this because of Makoto's conciousness.

4) Creating a bottle of stars out of nowhere once the delusion ends. If more people elsewhere also has CURE syndrome that can also change reality to such a large degree, good luck to this universe.

April 1 - [infinity / Never 7]
Kawashima class's seminar starts.
At the same time, Izumi and Okuhiko begins their experiment to counter- prove the Cure Syndrome.
At Luna beach, the Kawashima class meets Kurumi, Izumi, and Saki.
April 6 - Sukisha collapse due to an earthquake.
Cure Syndrome is observed...?
April 7 - The seminar ends.
Izumi covertly destroys evidence regarding the experiment.

5) In the official Infinity Timeline, it is listed down "April 7 - The seminar ends. Izumi covertly destroys evidence regarding the experiment." So why was the evidence destroyed. One reason can be that the existence of CURE syndrome is established, which makes her want to destroy any traces of it. Or maybe another reason:

Makoto never woked up from his delusions and is most likely in some coma. Which makes all the reality bending stuff never happened in real life. And of course as the culprit for causing this, Izumi had to destroy the evidence, or risk getting into serious trouble. Also, Tief Blau also reached its peaked in 2019. So it's strange of them to still have social activities at this time. Plot hole here? Or is it intentional...

Also might want to note "Cure Syndrome is observed...?" mentioned above, "Self is awaken...?" and "Blick Winkel... awakens." in the Infinity Timeline. Pretty much meant that Cure Syndrome being observed and Self in R11 is still a point of discussion, while BW is confirmed as a fact.

1) In the Dreamcast/PS2 version, the 2 Cure ending were called "CURE A" and "CURE B". However, in the PSP version, these 2 endings were renamed as "Izumi CURE Good Ending" and "Izumi CURE Normal Ending" IIRC. Why was the rename there? And why not name it "Izumi CURE True ending"(For CURE A)?

That's because

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The 'normal' ending is the true ending. In the normal ending, Cure Syndrome is invoked and everything goes to shit. The good ending undoes the changes Cure was making by retconning them into cheesy coincidences, which is better for the characters but not Cure doing its work.

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2) In E17 PSP Tips section, regarding the tip on CURE, it is noted out that there is no clear answer of which came first, CURE Syndrome or CURE Virus. "Did Tom's Cure Syndrome caused the appearance of Cure Virus in the body of Julia or Did Julia's Cure Virus caused everyone else to have Cure Syndrome"(Chance of cross contamination in a hospital is very low). This is what iirc written inside the tips section.

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Incompatible with a lot of other evidence we have. Tom's healing touch existed before the hospital's miracle. Cure Syndrome is invoked by other characters unaffected by Cure Virus (most notably the Never7 cast).

No idea about #3, I didn't read Izumi's normal route.

#4 - that's how it is. The syndrome is rare, not consciously controlled and not repeatable, which is why it doesn't have that big of an impact on the world.

The missing line on the infinity timeline is interesting. Was this just missed in translation...?

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Also, Tief Blau also reached its peaked in 2019. So it's strange of them to still have social activities at this time. Plot hole here? Or is it intentional...

It's because regardless of what crisis is going on, people will go on with their lives as long as it doesn't affect them. People even just go through their daily routines during wars; as long as the fighting is nowhere near them, they'll only be affected by the economic and political consequences. Something like that isn't going to stop people from going on vacation or having a seminar camp or anything.

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Also might want to note "Cure Syndrome is observed...?" mentioned above, "Self is awaken...?" and "Blick Winkel... awakens." in the Infinity Timeline. Pretty much meant that Cure Syndrome being observed and Self in R11 is still a point of discussion, while BW is confirmed as a fact.

And that's exactly what it means. You have explicit confirmation in the game regarding Ever17's part, while Never7's and Remember11's parts are very strongly implied but never explicitly confirmed.

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But it still doesn't make sense that Izumi and Makoto shared the exact same alternate perception of the world.

They didn't, depending on how you view it.

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In Izumi Cure route, Never7 is entirely Makoto's delusion, nobody else's. It's all in his head. After surviving April 6th, the delusion in Makoto's head becomes reality, and to all other people, it feels like they too experienced the week that only Makoto experienced in his delusions.

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And why couldn't Cure be operating in Yuka's path? They were convinced they could time travel because of bells, so they were able to bend their reality so that it appeared to them that they really did travel into the past. Though it still doesn't really explain how only the two of them managed to share the exact same changed perception in reality.

A reasonable conclusion. However, Never7's TIPs explicitly deny it:

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For example, in Yuka's Route, because the phrase "Curé Syndrome" never appears,
Makoto "is unable to observe the concept known as Curé Syndrome".
Consequently, this means that the "Curé Syndrome doesn't exist"
with regards to the Yuka's Route('s world that Makoto is observing).--Schrödinger's Cat

In Yuka route, the time travel truly occurred due to the magical bells.

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ersonally I liked the infinity series without knowing about the Cure Syndrome...now it seems like a cop-out explanation for everything.

Which is exactly what it is. In Ever17 and Remember11 they used it reasonably, but Never7 is just full of bullshit that needs to be patched together like that.