I figure torture is anything that is used to force you into doing something you would rather not do. So is waterboarding torture? Of course. But is it a good kind of torture? You bet it is. No physical scars - just a surefire way to get needed info from the bad guys.

I think we need to use it on occasion. It would seem that torture exists in varying degrees. Some of the considerations would be permanent damage, amount of pain or discomfort, length of the torture, period of recovery, offering or not offering medical attention, physical or psychological.

It would seem that all of these factors would be considered and that we should have a range of tortures available for the situation and the resistance of the person being tortured.

I can't wait for the first death caused because we pussfooted around a suspect who wouldn't talk and people died.

I can't wait for the first death caused because we pussyfooted around a suspect who wouldn't talk and people died.

I am sure people have died already. I can't understand why water boarding shouldn't be used. I am for torture. In fact I could come up with quite a few ways to make terrorists talk & none of them would be as nice as water boarding. And I wouldn't feel any guilt over them either. I don't feel we can deal sanely with a bunch of kooks who are willing to be jihadists. I also believe if they can behead then all is fair in war. You behead Americans then we toss you into a pen of hungry pigs or you talk asap.

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posted on 01/22/2009 11:32:07 PM PST
by pandoraou812
(Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)

What matters is what degree of discomfort is acceptable when trying to extract information which can save the lives of victims of terrorism.

What amount of torture would have been acceptable to save the lives of 3,000 people in the twin towers? I would say as much as necessary, even if it results in death afterwards. A terrorists life is not worth preserving, even if only ONE American life is at risk in a terrorist attack.

I wonder how much torture would be acceptable if it was an anti torture persons family being held hostage and one of the terrorists involved were captured?

I can't imagine how many wannabe muslim terrorists are sitting in Trenton state prison right now. Or all the other prisons. What bothers me is that we are not fighting normal people. How do you fight animals that will cut off your head? Or kill school girls? Use children to shield themselves? IMHO you can't fight fairly. They don't understand it. Or care if they die. They want to die & get those virgins. So why is there all this concern over water boarding? I don't want to be nice, I want to stay alive & be able to live the life I have. ( or hope my life stays a bit the same in the next 4 yrs)

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posted on 01/23/2009 12:16:01 AM PST
by pandoraou812
(Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)

“Of course it’s not torture. FReepers would be perfectly fine with it if we were involved in a war with lawful combatants and American troops were subjected to it, I’m sure.”

As opposed to having one’s privates hooked up to electrical cables? Or having one’s fingernails pulled out? Or burning one’s hair off? Damn right it isn’t torture. But, is waterboarding scary? You bet. That’s why it is employed. If, for instance, the cops haul your ass in and draw you a mind picture of going to prison and becoming some 300-pound perv’s bitch is not illegal or considered torture (and it is not, because that and other dire depictions are used all the time), then waterboarding isn’t torture. You have to put this issue into persepective.

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posted on 01/23/2009 3:18:21 AM PST
by ought-six
( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)

“I can’t imagine how many wannabe muslim terrorists are sitting in Trenton state prison right now. Or all the other prisons. What bothers me is that we are not fighting normal people. How do you fight animals that will cut off your head? Or kill school girls? Use children to shield themselves? IMHO you can’t fight fairly. They don’t understand it. Or care if they die. They want to die & get those virgins. So why is there all this concern over water boarding? I don’t want to be nice, I want to stay alive & be able to live the life I have. ( or hope my life stays a bit the same in the next 4 yrs).”

My sentiments exactly.

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posted on 01/23/2009 3:21:58 AM PST
by ought-six
( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)

Should our military no longer put our own troops through waterboarding (so they can be prepared to handle it if they are captured) since clearly no other country would ever waterboard or otherwise we’d be hearing about it?

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