Here are my notes from Hyo-Jin-nim's speech Sunday 13 May 2007. My ability to convey what was actually said is limited. These, at most, convey some sense of what Hyo-Jin-nim said and are not a verbatim record. Hyo-Jin-nim's website is: www.canaanstation.com/ To see two of the projects that Hyo-Jin-nim is working on log on to: definingmoment.tv/ and definingmoment.eu/
Joe Kinney

Rev. Andrew Compton is the MC. All welcome Hyo-Jin-nim and offer a standing bow.

Hyo-Jin-nim bows to the audience as he approaches the stage.

Good morning. (Good morning)

Why are you coming?

Is somebody putting a gun to your head? (Laughter)

What is natural?

When we think about things that are natural what do we expect from some things that are natural?

Let's say that God is a loving God, in His lovingness what do we naturally expect? (A child on the front row answers "an embracing feeling.")

An embracing feeling, you should come and speak. (Laughter)

OK. A loving God to you I guess is an embracing feeling. Ah you know you need to be embraced sometimes.

Even a stone person like me needs to be embraced too, if I can get it. (Laughter) It's good to be embraced.

What else do we expect from a loving God? What is natural?

Are there stages? If we think about God in a natural sense, the lovingness that we expect from him, on the level of physicality, what do we expect?

What do we expect on the intellectual level? What do we expect on a spiritual level? Because there will be some variations.

I'm sure that the requirements or expectations can vary according to individuals, but I'm sure that there is some universality, some general outline, and some constants. If there is a sine curve or if there is a waveform, they'll be something in constants that create that form, because without that principle, that concept is irrelevant, it doesn't exist.

The circle is nothing other than just one cycle of a wave, putting verticalness and pushing it together. Then you have a circle.

So that rolls on and on and on. That's why things move in that direction that gives life. And it's linear because we live in the physical world. I don't think that we're mature enough to understand spirituality. We're barely learning how to maintain and manage our body, our mind, and it will take a lifetime to get there.

And spirituality, to have a relationship with God, to make the relationship with God natural, it's going to take a long time. It will take eternity, but you have a chance because you believe in eternity. You believe that you have spirit.

Let's think about it: In spirituality, even just the conceptualness alone, in a sense, dictates faith, the simple thing, faith.

Faith without absolute is no faith, has no faith right? You must have absolute to have faith. So faith without absolute has no faith.

Why? Because if you don't embrace that faith concept, you can't understand that crazy stuff about the Christian tradition, the fall of mankind. It doesn't make any sense.

There is a limitation to the eternalness of God Right? Unconditional love of God, how do you describe the unconditional love of God? If there is no description, then what's the point to talking about unconditional love if you can't describe it?

It has a description so it has a condition.

So when you talk about naturalness, especially spirituality, the ultimate achievement for us is to have the relationship with God, that eternal relationship, something that will take our life to learn about, our body, and our mind, just to manage and maintain.

Our sanity and our progress within the sanity understanding God and spirituality will push on forever, will expand forever. This life is nothing other than giving you the idea "That's how you will expand." That's It!

Just because you say "Awe I'm just about to croak" laying on your death bed and "now I know everything." It's not like that.

If it were, then we should all just try to make a pill that would make us really old and die so we can just cut to the chase, fast forward, cut away all the nonsense. (Much laughter)

Why not? If that were doable, I'd rather live that way. I'd rather take that course because it's too much energy living normally.

So what is natural to you? What do you expect out of your naturalness? What do you expect from nature? What do you expect naturally from yourself? What do you expect naturally from God?

Somehow that has to connect.

What do you see when you see nature? What do you learn from it? Do you see just the survival of the fittest or do you see some examples of nuances that... If pay attention, there's a lot of stuff that bugs and plants and animals do better than men. You know what I'm saying?

There are certain things that literally we have to learn from those lesser things right?

And what do you see in you, naturally? What goodness do you think... do you have? Do you have it? Do you know your evil side? I'm sure that you have some goodness there. I hope so. (Laughter) I don't think that anybody is pure evil.

And how does that connect. How do you compare to nature? And also you have to ask yourself then what do I naturally expect from God?

How do I see my God to be? If I see my God what is the impression that I expect of Him? Will He disappoint me or will He inspire me?

At least think about it! Have that description!

Forget about being disappointed; at least have a description first.

You should... because you are going to die with it.

You've got to know what you're dying for. At least you have to have a description of it.

Don't believe in something that you can't see, you can't feel, that you can't touch in your heart. You know what I'm saying?

If you don't have those, you'll drift; you'll fly away like a little tweety bird.

It is important to have that. Think what is natural. If we're good, naturally we should have a relationship with God.

Who is my God and what does this text book teach me, this nature? And hopefully, if we're good enough, if we have a definition, at least about self in community, we can find and we can accelerate that process a little faster. That's about it.

And you have more to share, something relevant that we need, not nonsense.

OK? Think about what is natural to you and goodness.

I don't know; you know; you have to find out.

There are generalities. You can talk about generalities, but look; you want to be special OK?

Find something that makes you special. That's the only way that we can be rich together.