helloooo! i was just wondering if anyone has considered fillers instead of actual surgery? i think it's growing in popularity since youtubers like Michelle Phan seems to have done it

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I'm considering it but I still don't know that much about fillers to know how it really works. I read that you have to keep getting it done because it's not permanent?

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I worked with/for a surgeon that uses fillers! Yes, you would have to keep getting it done for most fillers because the results are not permanent, so over time, your face gradually resorts back to its original state as your body gradually breaks down the product. However, how long the product lasts depends on the product used. Generally, they last 1-3 years.

There is a permanent filler though that requires touchups every 5-10 years, I believe.

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I kind of like the idea of it not being permanent just in case I don't like the end result... I'd get it for my chin to make it slightly more pointy.

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I kind of like the idea of it not being permanent just in case I don't like the end result... I'd get it for my chin to make it slightly more pointy.

I do too! I think what most people do is they get the non-permanent ones first to see if they'd like the result, and since it dissipates over time, their faces will eventually return to normal (if they don't decide to take it out immediately, which can be done). Once they know that they like the results, they use the permanent filler. :p

I was thinking of doing that for my chin too, although the results are not as dramatic if you're looking for that but definitely more natural looking.

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I worked with/for a surgeon that uses fillers! Yes, you would have to keep getting it done for most fillers because the results are not permanent, so over time, your face gradually resorts back to its original state as your body gradually breaks down the product. However, how long the product lasts depends on the product used. Generally, they last 1-3 years.

There is a permanent filler though that requires touchups every 5-10 years, I believe.

how can a filler be permanent but require you to get touchups? doesnt that make it temporary....???

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I worked with/for a surgeon that uses fillers! Yes, you would have to keep getting it done for most fillers because the results are not permanent, so over time, your face gradually resorts back to its original state as your body gradually breaks down the product. However, how long the product lasts depends on the product used. Generally, they last 1-3 years.

There is a permanent filler though that requires touchups every 5-10 years, I believe.

how can a filler be permanent but require you to get touchups? doesnt that make it temporary....???

Well people lose fat in their faces as they age, so it will look like the injected area is receding. However, the product is still there, but ideally, MORE product should be added to compensate for natural fat/collagen loss. For the temporary products, the product will also become metabolised with the normal aging process, so NEW product should be injected to replenish the injection area. Hope this clarifies!

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I worked with/for a surgeon that uses fillers! Yes, you would have to keep getting it done for most fillers because the results are not permanent, so over time, your face gradually resorts back to its original state as your body gradually breaks down the product. However, how long the product lasts depends on the product used. Generally, they last 1-3 years.

There is a permanent filler though that requires touchups every 5-10 years, I believe.

how can a filler be permanent but require you to get touchups? doesnt that make it temporary....???

Well people lose fat in their faces as they age, so it will look like the injected area is receding. However, the product is still there, but ideally, MORE product should be added to compensate for natural fat/collagen loss. For the temporary products, the product will also become metabolised with the normal aging process, so NEW product should be injected to replenish the injection area. Hope this clarifies!

oooo i see!!! i was considering fillers because people comment on Michelle Phan's videos (on YouTube) about her getting fillers.... her face looks so different now!!

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She does, I didn't notice it at first but after looking at her old videos her face has changed. This will also cost less than a chin implant right?

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Omg, I noticed her face changed DRAMATICALLY!! Her chin is so pointy now, and her nose is so high..... plus she recently did something to her eyes because they look so different now! I thought she was pretty before and after, but she keeps denying getting anything done and attributes it all to weight loss, which I think may be dangerous if her fans try to emulate her.

I think in the long run, fillers are more expensive since you have to keep getting them done, but they are far more natural looking and personal to your face since you can get as much/little as you need to get the results you want, whereas chin implants are more of a different sizes thing. In US/Korea, I think chin implant is 2k$. Temporary fillers are like 700-1k per syringe, and the permanent one is ~700 per syringe, but you need to get 3 treatments shortly spaced apart at the beginning. Different temporary fillers last a different amount of time and provide different levels of volume btw.

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Omg, I noticed her face changed DRAMATICALLY!! Her chin is so pointy now, and her nose is so high..... plus she recently did something to her eyes because they look so different now! I thought she was pretty before and after, but she keeps denying getting anything done and attributes it all to weight loss, which I think may be dangerous if her fans try to emulate her.

I think in the long run, fillers are more expensive since you have to keep getting them done, but they are far more natural looking and personal to your face since you can get as much/little as you need to get the results you want, whereas chin implants are more of a different sizes thing. In US/Korea, I think chin implant is 2k$. Temporary fillers are like 700-1k per syringe, and the permanent one is ~700 per syringe, but you need to get 3 treatments shortly spaced apart at the beginning. Different temporary fillers last a different amount of time and provide different levels of volume btw.

Her eyes too? woah I'm clearly not as observant as I thought I was. I read negative comments in the past about her having some worked done but I didn't really notice until now. I also think she should stop saying her face changed because of weight loss. I thought her jaw/chin had changed because she straightened her teeth.

So maybe it would be good to start off with fillers and then MAYBE go with a chin implant:3

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Her eyes too? woah I'm clearly not as observant as I thought I was. I read negative comments in the past about her having some worked done but I didn't really notice until now. I also think she should stop saying her face changed because of weight loss. I thought her jaw/chin had changed because she straightened her teeth.

So maybe it would be good to start off with fillers and then MAYBE go with a chin implant:3

Yeah! She got an eye lift in Korea, I believe! Her eye crease became significantly higher when she returned from Korea, or at least that's what I observed/noticed. :p I had invisaline too though, and my jaw certainly did not get pointier because my teeth are now straighter...which I would have completely loved T___T

Temporary fillers allow people to see if they would like the after results if they intend to get an implant or the permanent fillers later! If they don't, temporary ones eventually go away, plus it's less invasive since your skin is not cut through at all aside from the needle. :)

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I NOTICED HER EYE CREASE TOO!! her sis-in-law promise also made a comment saying that invisaline doesn't change your jaw shape lolss.

what is the permanent filler called?

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I NOTICED HER EYE CREASE TOO!! her sis-in-law promise also made a comment saying that invisaline doesn't change your jaw shape lolss.

what is the permanent filler called?

Artefill~

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I NOTICED HER EYE CREASE TOO!! her sis-in-law promise also made a comment saying that invisaline doesn't change your jaw shape lolss.

what is the permanent filler called?

Artefill~

my friend says that people fill in their cheeks with it?? o.o

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I NOTICED HER EYE CREASE TOO!! her sis-in-law promise also made a comment saying that invisaline doesn't change your jaw shape lolss.

what is the permanent filler called?

Artefill~

my friend says that people fill in their cheeks with it?? o.o

Um, I'm not sure that people generally fill their cheeks to get chubbier cheeks, if that's what you meant. The texture would be different, and too much product would be needed, so that would be very expensive. People use it to fill laugh lines (nasolabial folds) though! Also, chin injections and nose bridge heightening are very popular.

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I NOTICED HER EYE CREASE TOO!! her sis-in-law promise also made a comment saying that invisaline doesn't change your jaw shape lolss.

what is the permanent filler called?

Artefill~

my friend says that people fill in their cheeks with it?? o.o

Um, I'm not sure that people generally fill their cheeks to get chubbier cheeks, if that's what you meant. The texture would be different, and too much product would be needed, so that would be very expensive. People use it to fill laugh lines (nasolabial folds) though! Also, chin injections and nose bridge heightening are very popular.

i feel like fillers are only for subtle changes lols. i feel like chin injections would look unnatural... as if it's just a bump on the bottom of your face

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I NOTICED HER EYE CREASE TOO!! her sis-in-law promise also made a comment saying that invisaline doesn't change your jaw shape lolss.

what is the permanent filler called?

Artefill~

my friend says that people fill in their cheeks with it?? o.o

Um, I'm not sure that people generally fill their cheeks to get chubbier cheeks, if that's what you meant. The texture would be different, and too much product would be needed, so that would be very expensive. People use it to fill laugh lines (nasolabial folds) though! Also, chin injections and nose bridge heightening are very popular.

i feel like fillers are only for subtle changes lols. i feel like chin injections would look unnatural... as if it's just a bump on the bottom of your face

I think that would depend on how good your surgeon is because the same thing can happen if you use an unnaturally big/small chin implant :p I think what people also do with chin injections though is get botox to cause a better facial transition

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I NOTICED HER EYE CREASE TOO!! her sis-in-law promise also made a comment saying that invisaline doesn't change your jaw shape lolss.

what is the permanent filler called?

Artefill~

my friend says that people fill in their cheeks with it?? o.o

Um, I'm not sure that people generally fill their cheeks to get chubbier cheeks, if that's what you meant. The texture would be different, and too much product would be needed, so that would be very expensive. People use it to fill laugh lines (nasolabial folds) though! Also, chin injections and nose bridge heightening are very popular.

i feel like fillers are only for subtle changes lols. i feel like chin injections would look unnatural... as if it's just a bump on the bottom of your face

I think that would depend on how good your surgeon is because the same thing can happen if you use an unnaturally big/small chin implant :p I think what people also do with chin injections though is get botox to cause a better facial transition

doesnt Botox just remove wrinkles? o.o

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doesnt Botox just remove wrinkles? o.o

Yes, Botox is a neurotoxin that relaxes a contracted muscle that causes wrinkles (i.e. frown lines). You can also use Botox to slim the face by paralysing the masseter (mandible muscle), which may be enlarged causing an overly round face. The effects are temporary, of course. Michelle Phan has admitted to using Botox for this reason as well somewhere, haha.

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doesnt Botox just remove wrinkles? o.o

Yes, Botox is a neurotoxin that relaxes a contracted muscle that causes wrinkles (i.e. frown lines). You can also use Botox to slim the face by paralysing the masseter (mandible muscle), which may be enlarged causing an overly round face. The effects are temporary, of course. Michelle Phan has admitted to using Botox for this reason as well somewhere, haha.

omgggg, that's so interesting!! i want to do this hehehe

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doesnt Botox just remove wrinkles? o.o

Yes, Botox is a neurotoxin that relaxes a contracted muscle that causes wrinkles (i.e. frown lines). You can also use Botox to slim the face by paralysing the masseter (mandible muscle), which may be enlarged causing an overly round face. The effects are temporary, of course. Michelle Phan has admitted to using Botox for this reason as well somewhere, haha.

omgggg, that's so interesting!! i want to do this hehehe

Here's an example of it. However, because the masseter is a muscle, you can actually bulk it back up by chewing gum nonstop or grinding your teeth while you sleep, for example.

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doesnt Botox just remove wrinkles? o.o

Yes, Botox is a neurotoxin that relaxes a contracted muscle that causes wrinkles (i.e. frown lines). You can also use Botox to slim the face by paralysing the masseter (mandible muscle), which may be enlarged causing an overly round face. The effects are temporary, of course. Michelle Phan has admitted to using Botox for this reason as well somewhere, haha.

omgggg, that's so interesting!! i want to do this hehehe

Here's an example of it. However, because the masseter is a muscle, you can actually bulk it back up by chewing gum nonstop or grinding your teeth while you sleep, for example.

wait, i thought botox was temporary? o.o

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doesnt Botox just remove wrinkles? o.o

Yes, Botox is a neurotoxin that relaxes a contracted muscle that causes wrinkles (i.e. frown lines). You can also use Botox to slim the face by paralysing the masseter (mandible muscle), which may be enlarged causing an overly round face. The effects are temporary, of course. Michelle Phan has admitted to using Botox for this reason as well somewhere, haha.

omgggg, that's so interesting!! i want to do this hehehe

Here's an example of it. However, because the masseter is a muscle, you can actually bulk it back up by chewing gum nonstop or grinding your teeth while you sleep, for example.

wowww, the difference is so dramatic!! how can you tell if you're grinding your teeth? don't most people do that while they're asleep?

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wait, i thought botox was temporary? o.o

Botox is temporary. It takes a while to settle in, but it usually lasts between 4-6 months, depending on the person and habits of that person.

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wowww, the difference is so dramatic!! how can you tell if you're grinding your teeth? don't most people do that while they're asleep?

It's not uncommon for people to unknowingly grind their teeth when they sleep. Doing so involves your masseter and temporalis muscles. Place your fingers on your temples, then bite down. You should feel a "bump" of muscle moving up/down. That is normal and is a result of your masseter muscles. Now if you move your fingers 2-3inches back onto your actual hair area, bite down, and feel the same thing, that means you have accessory muscle use from the temporalis muscles, which usually coincides with teeth grinding and masseter muscle enlargement. This is a more subtle way to identify teeth grinding aside from actual teeth damage.

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wait, i thought botox was temporary? o.o

Botox is temporary. It takes a while to settle in, but it usually lasts between 4-6 months, depending on the person and habits of that person.

i think i read somewhere that said that if you get it enough, it will eventually lead to a permanent effect... i dont remember. but i think you told me on a different forum that you can't use it everywhere, right?

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wait, i thought botox was temporary? o.o

Botox is temporary. It takes a while to settle in, but it usually lasts between 4-6 months, depending on the person and habits of that person.

i think i read somewhere that said that if you get it enough, it will eventually lead to a permanent effect... i dont remember. but i think you told me on a different forum that you can't use it everywhere, right?

The plastic surgeon I volunteer with told me that if you get Botox in the masseter enough times, the muscle will be weakened, and the effects will last longer, but like I said previously, you can chew gum for 12 hours a day and that will probably lead to your masseters enlarging as muscles normally do when exercised. Botox isn't able to be used everywhere since it's a neurotoxin that paralyses where it is injected. I think I said earlier that you can tell how old someone is by looking at their neck because you can't get Botox there, so if a person has a smooth face and a wrinkly neck, you know they're doing something to their face, haha.

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wait, i thought botox was temporary? o.o

Botox is temporary. It takes a while to settle in, but it usually lasts between 4-6 months, depending on the person and habits of that person.

i think i read somewhere that said that if you get it enough, it will eventually lead to a permanent effect... i dont remember. but i think you told me on a different forum that you can't use it everywhere, right?

The plastic surgeon I volunteer with told me that if you get Botox in the masseter enough times, the muscle will be weakened, and the effects will last longer, but like I said previously, you can chew gum for 12 hours a day and that will probably lead to your masseters enlarging as muscles normally do when exercised. Botox isn't able to be used everywhere since it's a neurotoxin that paralyses where it is injected. I think I said earlier that you can tell how old someone is by looking at their neck because you can't get Botox there, so if a person has a smooth face and a wrinkly neck, you know they're doing something to their face, haha.

omgggg this is so interesting i will look into this further for my own face is there a website that compares the different fillers?

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wait, i thought botox was temporary? o.o

Botox is temporary. It takes a while to settle in, but it usually lasts between 4-6 months, depending on the person and habits of that person.

i think i read somewhere that said that if you get it enough, it will eventually lead to a permanent effect... i dont remember. but i think you told me on a different forum that you can't use it everywhere, right?

The plastic surgeon I volunteer with told me that if you get Botox in the masseter enough times, the muscle will be weakened, and the effects will last longer, but like I said previously, you can chew gum for 12 hours a day and that will probably lead to your masseters enlarging as muscles normally do when exercised. Botox isn't able to be used everywhere since it's a neurotoxin that paralyses where it is injected. I think I said earlier that you can tell how old someone is by looking at their neck because you can't get Botox there, so if a person has a smooth face and a wrinkly neck, you know they're doing something to their face, haha.

omgggg this is so interesting i will look into this further for my own face is there a website that compares the different fillers?

Woahh, I just googled "filler comparison chart" and got a super awesome website, HAHA. This would've been so useful before had I known it existed. >_>

Botox is temporary. It takes a while to settle in, but it usually lasts between 4-6 months, depending on the person and habits of that person.

i think i read somewhere that said that if you get it enough, it will eventually lead to a permanent effect... i dont remember. but i think you told me on a different forum that you can't use it everywhere, right?

The plastic surgeon I volunteer with told me that if you get Botox in the masseter enough times, the muscle will be weakened, and the effects will last longer, but like I said previously, you can chew gum for 12 hours a day and that will probably lead to your masseters enlarging as muscles normally do when exercised. Botox isn't able to be used everywhere since it's a neurotoxin that paralyses where it is injected. I think I said earlier that you can tell how old someone is by looking at their neck because you can't get Botox there, so if a person has a smooth face and a wrinkly neck, you know they're doing something to their face, haha.

omgggg this is so interesting i will look into this further for my own face is there a website that compares the different fillers?

Woahh, I just googled "filler comparison chart" and got a super awesome website, HAHA. This would've been so useful before had I known it existed. >_>

I love charts, too hahaha. I just realised that they didn't update it to include Voluma, which lasts two years and provides greater volume! :)

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I kind of like the idea of it not being permanent just in case I don't like the end result... I'd get it for my chin to make it slightly more pointy.

I do too! I think what most people do is they get the non-permanent ones first to see if they'd like the result, and since it dissipates over time, their faces will eventually return to normal (if they don't decide to take it out immediately, which can be done). Once they know that they like the results, they use the permanent filler. :p

I was thinking of doing that for my chin too, although the results are not as dramatic if you're looking for that but definitely more natural looking.

i was rereading this thread, and i saw that you said the fillers can be taken out right away? i read somewhere that you need it surgically removed though

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I kind of like the idea of it not being permanent just in case I don't like the end result... I'd get it for my chin to make it slightly more pointy.

I do too! I think what most people do is they get the non-permanent ones first to see if they'd like the result, and since it dissipates over time, their faces will eventually return to normal (if they don't decide to take it out immediately, which can be done). Once they know that they like the results, they use the permanent filler. :p

I was thinking of doing that for my chin too, although the results are not as dramatic if you're looking for that but definitely more natural looking.

i was rereading this thread, and i saw that you said the fillers can be taken out right away? i read somewhere that you need it surgically removed though

Oh sorry! I wasn't clear about it. So some temporary fillers can be removed by injections of hyaluronadase (juvederm, voluma, radiesse, etc). For something like Sculptra, it can be dissolved by steroid injections in the site of the product. However, since Sculptra stimulates collagen growth, your collagen won't be removable since it is not part of the product but rather a consequence of it. Artefill has to be excised surgically.

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I kind of like the idea of it not being permanent just in case I don't like the end result... I'd get it for my chin to make it slightly more pointy.

I do too! I think what most people do is they get the non-permanent ones first to see if they'd like the result, and since it dissipates over time, their faces will eventually return to normal (if they don't decide to take it out immediately, which can be done). Once they know that they like the results, they use the permanent filler. :p

I was thinking of doing that for my chin too, although the results are not as dramatic if you're looking for that but definitely more natural looking.

i was rereading this thread, and i saw that you said the fillers can be taken out right away? i read somewhere that you need it surgically removed though

Oh sorry! I wasn't clear about it. So some temporary fillers can be removed by injections of hyaluronadase (juvederm, voluma, radiesse, etc). For something like Sculptra, it can be dissolved by steroid injections in the site of the product. However, since Sculptra stimulates collagen growth, your collagen won't be removable since it is not part of the product but rather a consequence of it. Artefill has to be excised surgically.

wow i really want to try fillers!! but i dont know which to get? or maybe i should just get plastic surgery so i dont have to spend extra money....