<quoted text>Jesus Christ!!Major news agencies don't know the difference!?!? What's next? Confusing Andorra with Afghanistan?Geography book?!? Are you kidding me? Kids in the public school system are too busy learning how to use a condom, how to burn crosses and how to slander "whitey man" for all his misdeeds.Which makes one wonder. Some "expert" said these were not "white people". I thought they were from the Caucas mountains?!??!!! Can't get more " whitey" than that. I guess the idiots were correct then. This was "white terror", LOL

I'm just glad the Slovaks were able to split from those Czechi terrorists while they could!

<quoted text>I've had some time to think about your question on motivations and I think there's some merit to what both you and uther have suggested, that there's more to this than a simple Chechnya connection.Here's my two cents:The two brothers both came here following 9/11. The elder was apparently alienated, while the younger was fitting in well. Although, I maintain the elder's final radicalization occurred during his recent trip to Chechnya and Dagestan, the question remains why he would choose the US to target. I suspect that our own islamopobia, running very high soon after 9/11, coupled with the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions plus Abu Graib, Fallujah, wikileaks etc. etc. put the US in his crosshairs. So, Columbine-style societal disaffection and run-of-the-mill Islamic extremism I think both contributed.My last word on the subject.

He expected to be a success in the US and that didn't happen. So if he couldn't be a spectacular success in a good way... well, he did leave a mark on the world.

His trip to Dagestan is probably where he learned how to make those pressure cooker bombs. How much more radicalized did he need to be??

<quoted text>The obvious? He was already a radical in the USA. That is why he went over there in the first place.This was domestic... not international.Nothing to do with Dagestan or Chechniya.Probably nothing to do with Islam either.

<quoted text>A couple of psycho loners. Products of the Massachusetts Public School System. The government and the media want to hype this as a case of international terrorism.Obama probably wants to use it as a pretext to invade Iran or some such place. Sort of like Bush on steroids really. When it comes to a totally reckless foreign policy...(-:

The parents are refugee, so if it was too bad in Chechnya or Dagestan, why his parents and relatives live there now?It looks like they have a place to live in Dagestan so it is not too bad at all! Why the older brother stayed in Dagenstan for 6 months? How a young husband leave his young wife and a child in America and go somewhere for six months?Is not normal,it is suspicious.

Perhaps letting ex soviet countries have independence would have been better then conflict. The first phase of the war in Chechnya began in 1994. Both sides routinely committed atrocities during this conflict, though the far larger Russian military was guilty of more frequent excesses. Russian troops indiscriminately attacked towns and villages, killing and raping civilians, pillaging and burning homes. Chechen fighters executed prisoners and civilian opponents, attacked civilian targets in Russia and used civilians to shield their forces, and drove thousands of Russian civilians out of Chechnya in a systematic campaign.There is no neat, simple answer as to why this war was so savage. It was a war inflamed by intense nationalism and ethnic hatred; a calamitously managed war that swiftly degenerated into a brutal campaign of suppression that only increased Chechen resistance; a war in which an ill-trained, disintegrating army, in truth little more than a mob, was pitted against a smaller, but highly motivated and skilled guerrilla force; a war in which a democratically elected government employed the ruthless methods and forces of Soviet totalitarianism against a civilian population. It was also a war between peoples and cultures that have waged merciless wars of conquest and extermination against each other for centuries with unrelenting medieval savagery.Kill or be killed was the sole motivation of most soldiers in the disintegrating Russian Army, who were desperately fighting to stay alive rather than win a war. Win or die was the creed of Chechens inspired by fanatical patriotism and their Islamic belief in jihad, or holy war, against the traditional enemy. Many Russians saw Chechens as swarthy, treacherous savages and habitual criminals. The Chechens saw the Russians as ruthless conquerors and despoilers of their motherland. The outcome today is a conflict on hold.

As if Boris Yeltsin didn't have enough on his plate with the resignation of Moscow's mayor at the weekend, some of the roughest gangsters in the entire Commonwealth of Independent States - the Chechen mafias - are increasing their grip on the capital's drug-dealing, prostitution, extortion, transport and other forms of organised crime.

Moscow CID estimates that 140 joint ventures, co-operatives and small enterprises - including one incongruously producing cranberry preserves - work for them. Extortion is particularly profitable. Every Azerbaijani flower seller in the city has to hand over 500 roubles a day to the Chechens.

But there is a growing belief that the strength and organisation of the gangs, allied to their powerful connection with their Chechnya homeland, 1,500 kilometres away, may be being forged into a weapon for sinister, politically-inspired action in Moscow.

In the past few months, the government of the self-styled republic of Chechnya, a part of Georgia which declared itself independent of Moscow last autumn, has called for the people of the Caucasus to unite in the face of the external threat and to create an armed force. In the words of the Chechen president, General Dzhokhar Dudayev, Chechnya's relations with Russia are under strain and it is prepared to arm up to 600,000 men.

Dudayev and others are seeking ways of standing up to the Russian government. They say these could include turning Moscow into a poverty zone and that they have the mechanisms to carry out this threat, a fairly blatant reference to the mafias.

Earlier this year, a curious report came out of Grozny, capital of Chechnya. Dudayev had signed a decree which said that no criminals within the republic's territory would be handed over to a state which did not recognise Chechnya. In other words, this corner of the Caucasus could become a haven for bandits.

It is not difficult to imagine how Dudayev's decree was received in the criminal world, especially in Moscow where, according to Interior Ministry and Special Service intelligence, the big Chechen gangs are based. The three main ones - Centralnaya, Avtomobilnaya and Ostankinskaya - are named after districts of Moscow. Each has a well-defined structure consisting of a gang leader, his lieutenants, foot soldiers and reserves.

The groups, which co-operate very closely, have their own kitties, out of which they pay lawyers' fees, buy information on militia operations and support the families of members in prison. Bribes of a million roubles are commonplace.

The gangs also have their own counter-espionage and defence service run by Ahmed M, based in the Belgrad Hotel and by Musa Junior.

They have almost 500 Moscow safe houses at their disposal. Some are used as 'letter-drops' for secure communication.

IT is said that at the Kashtan restaurant you can make inquiries about the whereabouts of any Chechen you like. Provided, of course, you are a fellow Chechen.

There are about 1,500 active members of the Chechen gangs, 3,000 if you count those in the capital on a temporary basis. The strength of the gangs is in their rigid organisation and their unquestioning obedience. They do not recognise any of the other underworld traditions.

The Chechen mafia is one of the largest organized crime groups operating in the former Soviet Union next to established Russian mafia gangs, which originally consisted of criminals of Chechen ethnicity who later also tried to recruit former Russian special military forces, police and army officers.

It has substantially decreased its presence in Moscow by 1994 after Slavic mafia groups united against their Chechen counterpart, with assistance from Russian police and the FSB (the former KGB). As it happened most of Chechen gang members returned to Chechnya and joined the rising Chechen separatist movement.

Mistaken for the Russian mafia

The Chechen mafia is often incorrectly referred to as the generic "Russian mafia" in Europe, because most people of Chechen ethnicity speak Russian and many emigrated from the Russian Federation during the wars.

Recent reports estimated that the group's sphere of influence extends from Vladivostok to Vienna, with members involved in various areas of criminal activity ranging from automobile theft, money laundering, trafficking Chinese illegal immigrants to Japan, narcotics smuggling, and the illegal sale of plutonium. Unlike other Russian OC groups, the Obshina was considered a hybrid criminal-political entity, which used illegal proceeds to finance and arm separatists fighters during the Chechen Wars.

This unique characteristic has resulted in a trend towards blurring the distinction between organized crime and terrorists groups and has confused many observers as to the Obshina's overall motivations. It is still not entirely clear whether they are more interested in creating an independent nation-state or in perpetuating regional instability so that they might continue to profit from the drug trade and other criminal activities.

Chechen criminal groups and guerrilla factions reportedly play a significant part in the narcotics trade in Central Asia, Russia and the Caucasus region. In the First Chechen War guerrillas used funding from a variety of rackets as well as the sale of oil. However in the Second Chechen War the fighters received huge financial backing from Saudi Arabian militant Ibn Al-Khattab, who joined with guerrilla leader Shamil Basayev and became a prominent figure in the war. This marginalized some figures such as Ruslan Gelayev, who turned to the drugs trade full time.

The Chechen mafia appears to dominate the traditional Russian mafia organizations in the drugs trade. One Tajik drug trafficker stated he preferred to sell his product to Chechen gangs rather than Russians, because of the Chechen's high-reaching contacts in both the underworld and police force.

The Chechen independence movement has gained widespread attention and support in the Islamic world and throughout the conflict foreign charity organizations and fighters from many Arab countries have volunteered their services. Since the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York City, the Putin administration has made several attempts to link Chechen insurgents to Al-Qaeda. Allegations of Al-Qaeda and Taliban links to the Chechen mafia have recently appeared and well-known Chechen leaders have been at different times referred to in the media as Islamists, terrorists, and mafia bosses.

In 1998 it was reported by Riyad 'Alam-al-Din in Nicosia and an unidentified Al-Watan al-'Arabi correspondent in Moscow that Osama bin Ladin dispatched a delegation to the Chechen Republic made up of his group and representatives of the Taliban. Secret meetings were held in the outskirts of Grozny with some members of the Chechen Mafia to put the final touches on "the nuclear warheads deal." Allegedly the deal cost $30 million in cash from Osama bin Ladin's treasury and a grant of two tons of Afghan heroin donated by the Taliban. It was claimed that bin Ladin resorted to the services of the Chechen Mafia after many of his aides, some specializing in nuclear physics, failed in their attempts to acquire nuclear technology and equipment. However, these reports have yet to be confirmed by outside sources.

The victim told police he was driven to a Shell Gas Station on Memorial Drive in Watertown. Inside the car, the brothers "declared to [the victim] that they were the Boston Marathon bombers and would not kill him because he wasn't American," the report said.

YOU Clearly state that the Russian Mafia was originally composed of Chechnyans.

YOU are so full of shit, or, is it that you didn't compose your sentence correctly?

"The Chechen mafia is one of the largest organized crime groups operating in the former Soviet Union next to established Russian mafia gangs, which originally consisted of criminals of Chechen ethnicity who later also tried to recruit former Russian special military forces, police and army officers."

You lied about the original ethnicity of the Russian Mafia... IT IS JEW, it has ALWAYS BEEN JEW.

I suppose that Jew liars, such as yourself, think that people won't check out what they say, because of what...the HOLOCAUST? LMFAO... straight at your JEW ASS.

Sunshine the JEW... perhaps you have a composition problem?Here is what you wrote in message 175.YOU Clearly state that the Russian Mafia was originally composed of Chechnyans.YOU are so full of shit, or, is it that you didn't compose your sentence correctly?"The Chechen mafia is one of the largest organized crime groups operating in the former Soviet Union next to established Russian mafia gangs, which originally consisted of criminals of Chechen ethnicity who later also tried to recruit former Russian special military forces, police and army officers."

SAGgy brained MUSLIM moron, perhaps you have a reading comprehension problem? I told you if you don't like it, take it up with the author WIKIPEDIA.

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