Vengeance Hotfix and Starlight Ink Trades

Vengeance Hotfix

Daxxarri

A hotfix will be applied to adjust how Vengeance stacks for tanks of all classes:

Vengeance should now ramp up more quickly. Avoidance will now grant Vengeance based on the average damage of the avoided NPC auto-attack, instead of just refreshing existing Vengeance. This does not apply to enemy special attacks.

This will be noted in the next hotfix update, but we wanted to let you know immediately, as this change will be applied sometime today.

Ink Trading

Nethaera

Beginning after the maintenance on Tuesday, October 9, ink traders will be converting from accepting Blackfallow Ink to accepting Ink of Dreams and Starlight Ink will become available for purchase. If you’re still holding on to your Blackfallow Ink, your time to trade it in is running short.

Comments

Comment by archonoid

WTF wrong with you blizzard ? just remove it... it become useless and useless...

Comment by Apodictic

on 2012-10-08T15:22:36-05:00

I like vengeance, don't know why people cry about it. o.O

Comment by SPF18

on 2012-10-08T15:37:10-05:00

I like vengeance, don't know why people cry about it. o.O

I personally hate it because it ruined the challenge of threat generation. I don't understand why people concerned with big numbers would play a tank spec.

Comment by TheMuffinMan

on 2012-10-08T15:37:56-05:00

WTF wrong with you blizzard ? just remove it... it become useless and useless...

Vengeance actually lets you keep up with increasing DPS as the fight continues. Sure it's easy enough early on when only a few spells are flying, but when all their procs, talents, trinkets, potions, etc are going off and their damage is jacked up? All you have are SURVIVAL cooldowns. Not damage.

Comment by mysticalos

on 2012-10-08T15:38:24-05:00

Apodictic, because it's a bad system for tanks outside of high vengeance.

once upon a time we did 50% damage of a dps with no dependance on a raid boss hitting us and being full raid buffed. we could actually productively kill mobs while questing etc.

now, we do about 10% of the damage of a dps, and even less dps than a HEALER while questing. sure we can pull a dozen mobs at once sometimes to do a little more damage via aoe, but that's not every situation is ideal. it just sucks that our damage is only any good in groups. vengeance is a crutch to a probelm not a fix.

Comment by hymer

on 2012-10-08T15:53:22-05:00

@ mysticalos: Maybe try using your other spec? Somehow I'm having trouble believing that tanks without vengeance do 10% of the damage of DPS, unless there's a huge gear discrepancy.

Comment by Chik4r4

on 2012-10-08T15:55:26-05:00

I like vengeance, don't know why people cry about it. o.O

I personally hate it because it ruined the challenge of threat generation. I don't understand why people concerned with big numbers would play a tank spec.

If you could tell one of your dps that you can have him do 10k more dps, would he accept or decline? Yeah, thought so.

Comment by Nabun76

on 2012-10-08T17:29:47-05:00

i love it as a 458 geared prot warrior i pull routinely 40-50k on single target fights lol yay prot warriors haha

Comment by Neonhyper

on 2012-10-08T22:14:52-05:00

Thank you Blizzard for finally changing the ink traders <3 been hoarding Ink of Dreams on my scribe waiting for them to change it.

Comment by Interest

on 2012-10-09T06:44:21-05:00

I like vengeance, don't know why people cry about it. o.O

I personally hate it because it ruined the challenge of threat generation. I don't understand why people concerned with big numbers would play a tank spec.

I disagree. I'm pretty sure threat generation was trivialized more by the +500% threat gen change, not Vengeance alone.

Vengeance should now ramp up more quickly. Avoidance will now grant Vengeance based on the average damage of the avoided NPC auto-attack, instead of just refreshing existing Vengeance. This does not apply to enemy special attacks.

I like this. Avoidance tanks aren't going to get punished super hard in terms of their damage output. Could tip the itemization balance towards avoidance (especially now, when it's important to go for those stats).

Comment by Eralson

on 2012-10-09T08:41:13-05:00

I personally hate it because it ruined the challenge of threat generation. I don't understand why people concerned with big numbers would play a tank spec.

I disagree. I'm pretty sure threat generation was trivialized more by the +500% threat gen change, not Vengeance alone.

I didn't really notice that much of a difference, threat-wise, when they enabled vengeance (though it was fun being top DPS on Festergut), but it was like night and day when they doubled threat. I didn't see the announcement until later, but I knew that something was up because everything was sticking to me like glue with virtually no effort whatsoever.

Comment by Adamsm

on 2012-10-09T11:50:17-05:00

I don't know why people are hating on Vengeance so much, its not like it is a must for tanking, its a nice option if you are having problems tanking or need to take some of the aggro off of an aggro-fiend in your group. Often times I forget about using it during a 5man encounter. I haven't done any of the new raid content, but it if is like it was previously used, it will make it essential for tag-teaming dual tank situations. /twocents

Think you might be a little confused lol; all tanks have Vengeance, they aren't talking about the Warrior skill Vigilance lol.

Comment by Interest

on 2012-10-10T00:59:23-05:00

I personally hate it because it ruined the challenge of threat generation. I don't understand why people concerned with big numbers would play a tank spec.

I disagree. I'm pretty sure threat generation was trivialized more by the +500% threat gen change, not Vengeance alone.

I didn't really notice that much of a difference, threat-wise, when they enabled vengeance (though it was fun being top DPS on Festergut), but it was like night and day when they doubled threat. I didn't see the announcement until later, but I knew that something was up because everything was sticking to me like glue with virtually no effort whatsoever.