Okay i'm going too look into this more, i never knew about this. Is this a product of over production or the opposite? Personally i really like this record didn't find the production that bad maybe a 7 in my eyes. I don't know much about production though.

I hear the ATF stuff too. Especially a bit of Mx in What Happened To You?

And again I wasn't necessarily comparing the sound of WP more so comparing how that album and this album made me feel

I could have written like 1500 words on this album if I wanted to

I wasn't necessarily referring to you lol, just saying a lot of people that I know compare it to White Pony. I can totally see this album land that lasting impact that WP did, so I can totally see the sense in your reference. Good review.

Overall great review, but I think Diamond Eyes is definitely closer to Around The Fur and Koi No Yokan is definitely closer to White Pony as far any similarity. Needless to say this is my Album of the year and It would be pretty damn awesome if the Deftones won another grammy because of this record...just sayin'

Heard nothing but awful things about this, and from fans that have stuck by them since Around The Fur. Gave it a listen myself, and fell asleep after the first song. Seems rushed; wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to get out of their contract.

And yeah, the production is awful. The songs might hold up better live, but I'm not about to fork out near $50 to find out.

Heard nothing but awful things about this, and from fans that have stuck by them since Around The Fur. Gave it a listen myself, and fell asleep after the first song. Seems rushed; wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to get out of their contract.

And yeah, the production is awful. The songs might hold up better live, but I'm not about to fork out near $50 to find out.

You are wrong. Idk what "fans" you're referring to, but they need to get over themselves this record's awesome.

You are wrong. Idk what "fans" you're referring to, but they need to get over themselves this record's awesome.

My brother and I have been fans since the 90's; we love every album, except for this one. In fact, every single person I know in real life, does not like this record. Clean out your ears; this isn't good.

i've been a fan since around the fur and i'm digging this record. I def don't think it was rushed, as I remember reading in an interview with abe about how the band is in a really great, exciting even, creative place. A lot of these songs give me that good ol' deftones feeling with a fresh twist... with that said, i'm def excited for Palms, Chino + Isis

Heard nothing but awful things about this, and from fans that have stuck by them since Around The Fur. Gave it a listen myself, and fell asleep after the first song. Seems rushed; wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to get out of their contract.

And yeah, the production is awful. The songs might hold up better live, but I'm not about to fork out near $50 to find out.

Literally the first negative comment I've heard/read about this album.

My brother and I have been fans since the 90's; we love every album, except for this one. In fact, every single person I know in real life, does not like this record. Clean out your ears; this isn't good.

Maybe it'll grow on me later on in life, but after trying to like it over and over again, the album fails to do anything for me. There comes a time in everyone's life, when one of the favorite bands releases an album they can't get into; for me, that is this one.