....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....

It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!

Quoting: Chip

SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

There is no justification possible,moral or otherwise, for threatening someone's life and taking valuables by force.

That is always wrong and should be met with the strongest possible resistance.

But of course the neutered euros can't resist because the only means they have to resist is physical force. In effect Europe has brought back the law of the jungle. The physically stronger can take what they want from weaker people.

I doubt if that works "perfectly fine" in your country.

If being a helpless serf is your cup of tea, that's fine. Just don't wish, expect and want everyone else to be the same.

And don't try to cover up this disgusting servility by attempting to co opt the moral high ground.

Quoting: s. d. butler

well people are allowed to defend themselves, just with appropriate force. You can't hit somebody if he hasn't hit you, you can't kill somebody if he hasn't tried to kill you. Yeah pointing a gun at someone is threatening so you are allowed to try to disarm them and in some cases you might even be allowed to kill them but only in extreme circumstances. Some guy robbing somebody for a few bucks is not worth taking the life of another person.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

But of course the neutered euros can't resist because the only means they have to resist is physical force. In effect Europe has brought back the law of the jungle. The physically stronger can take what they want from weaker people.

I doubt if that works "perfectly fine" in your country.

So the eighty year old can try to disarm or overpower the 20 year old thug. And you can that civilization?

Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages. Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life? I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

let me make this easy for you.

$10 dollars is absolutely worth it when the person who dies is willing to die for $10.

The thing I'm getting at. Is what do you do when confronted with violence? Are you the type of person to allow yourself to be killed, trusting your attacker, or will you actually take an action to defend yourself.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23764026

Well my honest opinion and it might be a bit controversial is that it is better to be killed than to kill.

Killing is ALWAYS wrong.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

And that concludes this conversation. It is pointless to argue with the insane.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36793098

It is just the ethical end of the road. Killing is wrong so if there is a choice between killing somebody or be killed the only logical and ethical choice is to let yourself be killed. Yeah it is harsh but that IS the only logical conclusion you can have if you believe killing is wrong and that is why you take measures to prevent such a situation from ever happening.

Well my honest opinion and it might be a bit controversial is that it is better to be killed than to kill.

Killing is ALWAYS wrong.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

And that concludes this conversation. It is pointless to argue with the insane.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36793098

It is just the ethical end of the road. Killing is wrong so if there is a choice between killing somebody or be killed the only logical and ethical choice is to let yourself be killed. Yeah it is harsh but that IS the only logical conclusion you can have if you believe killing is wrong and that is why you take measures to prevent such a situation from ever happening.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

You are definitely insane.

Quoting: AdHocBOHICA

I don't think he's insane, just dumber than a box of rocks.:boxorox222:

And that concludes this conversation. It is pointless to argue with the insane.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36793098

It is just the ethical end of the road. Killing is wrong so if there is a choice between killing somebody or be killed the only logical and ethical choice is to let yourself be killed. Yeah it is harsh but that IS the only logical conclusion you can have if you believe killing is wrong and that is why you take measures to prevent such a situation from ever happening.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

You are definitely insane.

Quoting: AdHocBOHICA

I don't think he's insane, just dumber than a box of rocks.:boxorox222:

Quoting: Sledster

Or he's a convict wanting special rights to kill innocent for social justice like because they have more money than this idiot.

It is just the ethical end of the road. Killing is wrong so if there is a choice between killing somebody or be killed the only logical and ethical choice is to let yourself be killed. Yeah it is harsh but that IS the only logical conclusion you can have if you believe killing is wrong and that is why you take measures to prevent such a situation from ever happening.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

You are definitely insane.

Quoting: AdHocBOHICA

I don't think he's insane, just dumber than a box of rocks.:boxorox222:

Quoting: Sledster

Or he's a convict wanting special rights to kill innocent for social justice like because they have more money than this idiot.

If he has a gun pointed at you, there is a good frikken reason to believe he MIGHT do something.

***BANG*** I shoot first.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45126405

For the most part criminals have guns to protect themselves from vigilantes who want to take justice into their own hands.

Here most criminals don't have guns cause they don't need to protect themselves.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

^^^ Liberalism is a mental disorder ^^^ Shitty logic thinking there... Poor criminals. So what if criminals rape you and steal your money... It's all about welfare of poor criminals... wah! wah!

Grow a fucking brain, you retard.

Quoting: AlcoholicRunner

So having a different opinion than others is a mental disorder? Very telling, I am being very reserved in my opinions, I could also be throwing around dick sizes and little man complexes but I try to stay civil.

Society is measured by how it treats it's poorest people. Criminals are for the most part victims of their upbringing and environment. They are so poor that they are practically forced to break the law. Nobody is going to starve themselves to death in order to follow the "holy" law. Nobody just wants to rob people and risk getting hurt or put in prison.

These people need help, not bullets between their eyes.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

This is as far as I have got on this thread, so I don't know if this has been said. There are alot of career criminals in this country, that being said, when it gets too hard to live in society they don't mind going back in. In this country and probably others, criminals live better than some free people, so they don't mind getting caught doing a crime. They just don't want to get killed, but sometimes that happens. They picked the wrong person that day.

Really, aren't we civilised? Aren't we passed the days of witchburnings and "an eye for an eye"?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Silly wabbits never learn. You can't imagine into existence some force of "social evolution" to solve all of society's ills. Social Evolution is the greatest fallacy ever to pass; the prized child of Satan himself. Men are no more civilized today than they were 5000 years ago. Period.

We are "more educated" today by most accounts, and certainly we are more comfortable (on average) than 5000 years ago, but we are plainly no more "civil" - nor could you convince me that we ever shall be.

Fact is, as we slip into our technologically enabled, pampered ignorance, most people no longer possess sufficient compassion, nor will, nor even wit, to actually contribute to society at large. Other than these, of what is civil society composed?

I say that "they cannot contribute to society" - so let me be clear that "Liking" something on farcebook, or retweeting a snarky comment on an "important social issue" is not contributing to society; nor is running a charity marathon, or other such frivolous social-activist bullsheit. Such worthless activities, done to be seen as a "good, caring person" by one's peers, are simply acts of mental masturbation, plain and simple.

Indeed, what little civility we have in the world is slipping away, and most westerners are already well consigned to their own hedonistic pit of insular depravity - and are actually pleased by their "progress". Is this, perhaps, what you mean by being "civilized"?

If so, you can keep it... and I'll definitely keep my guns, as well as my definitions of civility, justice, and unalienable rights.

This is in response to the Dutch person who thinks criminals should not be shot in self defense:

If three armed criminals enter your home or place of business, they aren't there for conversation. They are there to collect your things. The guns they brought with them are to counter any resistance from you. In other words, they intend to shoot you if you resist their efforts to take your things.

You can do two things here: 1) you can believe they won't REALLY kill you and just stand passively by and let them rob you, or 2) since you probably don't know them personally, you can assume you will be killed if you don't defend yourself. If YOU choose to be gullible and allow said thug(s) to relieve you of your property and possibly kill you or someone in your family, then go for it. As for us, we will pass on that and just go forward with relieving said POS of his life. Criminals are a detriment to society anyway. ARMED criminals forfeit any rights to their so-called "humanity" and the privilege to continue breathing. Have a nice day.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36793098

OK, dumb-assed Onderste lul; so if people never murder if you don't resist a robbery or home invasion, how do you explain the surging instances of this : [link to www.esquire.com]

Bill Pettit didn't resist...at all. I have spoken with him - face to face - and I can assure you that he regrets that. He lost his wife, his daughters; his entire life is a shameful shadow of what it was supposed to be... because some violent two-legged animal didn't receive the proper (violent) response for invading Bill's home.

Violent, two-legged animals will always exist - your imagined "social evolution" cannot and will not ever reduce their numbers, nor the horror and depravity which they inflict upon good people. Only arms, and the unabridged right to use them in defense, will keep the population of such monsters in check.

No need for this, because LUCIFER (The son of god a.k.a jesus) HAS ARRIVED TO PWN SOME FUCKING NOOBS. I AM TALKING HE IS GOING TO FUCKING KILL, TORTURE AND RAPE THE Illuminati/Masonry/Occult/MuslimBrotherhood/CIA/Interpol/*cou​gh*Royal*cough* Shitstain bloodlines/Skull&Bones.

Or to make it easier just add them all up and call them the "Untermenschen Vereinung" (They actually prefer this name more).

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2861854

Well, there's one way to explain it. the Death-Cult/SATANIST wants his victims to be willing. Evil wants more than anything for it's victims to participate in the death-worshiping orgy; to honor and welcome the victory of death over life, even as they are bodily sacrificed to the essence of all evil.