Praise Ye The Lord

The Bible commands us to praise God. We're to praise Him in good and bad times alike. Now, I would be lying if I said it's easy to praise God when things are going wrong in our lives. It's not, however, our praise cannot be conditional. He's God no matter the battle.

There are many things we can thank and praise God for every day. What one thing will you thank Him for right now?

It' a sad thing Yolanda that this sort of hub will always attract the decriers and mockers. I quite agree with you. Being thankful and prasing God in the bad times is very difficult. As humans our first reaction is to get angry and ask 'Why me?', 'What have I done to deserve this?'I try to thank God for all the little things that happen in my day, like finding a parking spot when it's really busy in town. At this moment in time I am thankful just to be upright and mobile this morning, wasn't sure I would make it today.

And I thank Him with you. Our God is a good God. He's always got our back. Satan wants us to believe otherwise, but we know He is the father of lies, for our God will never let us down. Even though sometimes it seems He has. But that's never true. We'll never find anyone so completely concerned about all areas of our lives as is our God. And then so capable and ready to meet us at the point of that need.

He is worthy of our praise always, even in the hard times, simply because of who He is. And I'm a living witness that when the praises go up, blessings do come down. And for me personally the greatest blessing that comes down is His manifested presence, because once that happens I truly become aware that He is The Most High and that every obstacle, though above my head, is absolutely under His feet.

Glory to the King of Kings, my God and Lord.

And as for the decriers and mockers, there presence on these types of threads only prove that we must be doing something right.

So - you are just here for a fight then? I had recently come to the conclusion that Kristians like your self - while going against the Word of God - are just wanting to become martyrs. I have only ever seen you fighting with those who do not believe as you do. What do you think you are going to achieve by causing conflicts in this way?

Odd that you do not see how divisive your ridiculous beliefs are. A shame in fact.

But I am sure Satan is very pleased with the ill will and arguments you create by behaving like this.

Not really. I don't expect to be able to educate you. If you think homosexuals are abominations in the eyes of the Lord who will burn for all eternity - I don't expect to be able to change your mind. If you think eating shellfish is another abomination - well, what can I do in the face of such nonsensical beliefs?

If you feel publicly praising your imaginary friend is something you need to do - I don't expect to be able to teach you how divisive that is.

I don't care what ridiculous beliefs you hold. Really - I genuinely don't care. The only reason it is even an issue - is - you need to tell me.

You've read a hub that is of no interest to you. You 've responded to that hub and you keep checking back to see if anyone has responded to you. What a waste of time and energy on something you don't care about.I am curiuos though, what do you think you could teach me? Or are you assuming that I am one of those not very bright, poorly educated red necks you automatically associate with Christian belief?Insults and belittling comments only work when they contain a seed of truth. Trying to attack me with derogartory comments based solely on your assumptions, predjudices and preconcieved ideas is as much a waste of time as getting angry over a hub on a topic you don't care about.

I happen to believe that your religion is evil and choose to argue against it.

You are claiming to be Christian - I assume you believe the bible. I think that is a reasonable assumption - and seeing as the bible tells me that shellfish, homosexuality and divorce are all sins I think it is reasonable to think you adhere to those.

Or is it only "poorly educated rednecks" that believe what the bible says?

I am trying to teach you how divisive and irrational your religion is. Please don't take my word for it - think about why you are arguing now and read a few history books.

I'm not arguing.I am merely providing you with an opportunity to express your own poor deductions and false assumptions with no effort at all. For instance, your attacks are based on what you assume I believe and how you assume I interpret what the Bible teaches. That you start from an erroneous hypothesis means all further conclusions to your argument are incorrect.Any argument based on an emotional response, in your case your hatred of my beliefs, is bound to be faulty since emotional response clouds our ability to think logically.If you were thinking clearly you would have known to ascertain the facts of what I believe first, then proceeded with your argument.

If I can read books by Richard Dwakins, Christopher Hitchens and Steve Jones as well as numerous historical texts (my particular field of interest is the 18th and 19th century) and still believe in God I fail to see what chance you have of convincing me otherwise.

Well - like all christians - you pick and choose to suit. You "interpret" it to mean whatever you want it to mean today and you are absolutely happy to deny the last 2000 years of wars and hatred with each little cult fighting for it's own interpretation of the bible. You claim to be a Christian - but are now saying you do not believe what the bible says.

Of course I am not going to convince you of anything - you have made that perfectly clear. That is the problem with your religion - no matter the facts - you are not going to be convinced of anything because you already have all the answers.

I see you accusing me of "illogical thinking" yet you believe in an invisible super being. What chance do I have of getting through to you? Very little.

Like I said - I think your religion is evil - and it produces people like you who attack and argue and then say they are not arguing.

I am not really speaking to you. I am speaking to the innocent bystander. Any fool can see the delusional behavior you are exhibiting:

1. You attacked me when I was speaking to some one else and interjected yourself into that discussion.2. The bible is clear on the subjects I mentioned - yet you do not follow those teachings and I am "making assumptions" about your beliefs despite the fact that you claim to be a Christian - one that does not follow the bible apparently - and I am the illogical one? 3. You are arguing and claiming not to.4. Despite my best efforts to teach you how divisive and irrational this behavior is - you tell me I will never convince you of anything.

But - please go ahead and list the things you do and do not believe in the bible.

and you are so predictable........1) I'm so sorry, I thought we were allowed and even encouraged to post comments.2) I'm sorry again for thinking I had the freedom to understand the Bible on my own terms. Please do continue to tell me what I should believe. How dare I not conform to the necessary stereotype you have created to support your arguments.3) I don't need to do anything except give you the room to spin.4) LOL. As I said in my previous post, if I can read people like Dawkins, Hutchens and Jones and still believe in God then you have no chance of persuading me of anything. Perhaps though I am making a false assumption, you do know who Dawkins, Hutchens and Jones are don't you?

I am not trying to convince you of anything. You have made it perfectly clear you have all the answers.

I don't care what you "interpret" the bible to mean - like I said - that is where the 2000 years of wars and hatred come from. The "inspired word of god" says pretty much whatever you want it to. Not sure why you bother labeling yourself if you are then going to distance yourself from the teachings of your book.

Mark i would ask you to consider why you believe that homosexuality and divorce are not sins. it doesn't mean that a homosexual or someone who has been divorced can not make it to heaven, but they are still given a choice to follow Christ or not. Sin is sin, no matter what sin it is. there is now sin that is worse than another. so i pray for anyone who does not know Christ because he is the only way to the Father. He is the one that takes on those sins, we can not earn our way into heaven. We are paid for with a price, the price that Christ paid for by shedding his blood for us on the Cross. We are all sinners who are in need of a savior. Including you. So i pray that God begins to reveal himself to you, that you may be part of the kingdom of God.

I see. It appears we have a reading comprehension problem in that case. As I said - I don't care how you change the meaning of the words in the bible to suit yourself. I simply pointed out that this is why self-professed Christians have been at war with each other and everyone else for the last 1800 years.

And why you are fighting and arguing right now.......

Even though you think you are not. This is the problem with your ridiculous belief system - guaranteed to cause a fight.

If you think eating shellfish is another abomination - ... well it does give you fishy breath, so I think lots of people might automatically think that it wasnt fish you had eaten... but then some people have filthy minds! hehehe

You're thanking your god for things he did not do. Science and logical, critical thinking has debunked everything you attributed to your imaginary god, but you choose to dismiss reality, in lieu of abject nonsense. Disturbing!

Your giving science and your logic and thinking credit for something it can't prove. i would encourage you to look into "The Truth Project" and then maybe you will get an understanding of the greatness of our God. There is more than enough logic and critical thinking to support why God is the creator of all things, including you.

it's funny, if god was the epitome of good, why would he send us here on this planet so we can praise him? sounds like he's a bored housewife dying to get some attention. does it really matter if we praise him or what matters is what we do in this life that will actually help change the world? religion has been around for a long time and what results have we gotten by following the idea of a god? maybe it's time to try something new, like PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S REAL.

Quran start with the Praise of God Allah YHWH:[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds, [1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful, [1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment. [1:5] Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help. [1:6] Guide us in the right path —[1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

It is so easy to say thank you to God when things are going right, and we have no problems. AMEN! What about when His Holy Spirit convicts you of some wrong doing in your life and then convinces you to correct it do you thank him for correcting you and teaching you a valuable lesson, or ask why he permitted you to get caught?

Thank you, yolanda. You have demonstrated to me and many others here the huge implications and ramifications your response will foster towards a religious belief system that can only serve to lead humanity to its own destruction. We have seen it throughout history and we see it continuing today.

Instead of blaming a spirit. Church all over the world are help those starving children. As well as organizations as well. Instead of complaining about this, This is getting old, unfortunately. Join a church and help them feed the children.

Hey Q, this pathetic argument about why "GOD" allows others to go without food is meaningless and cannot be defended. That means, you cannot receive an answer, so what is the sense of asking the question.

The only reason for people starving in this world is due to the fact that other people are not doing enough to help them.

On the contrary, this "pathetic" argument, as you call it, has received many answers.

I would doubt it is meaningless as it hinges on the very cornerstone of those beliefs. Perhaps, the argument, being so pathetic in your view, has lost all meaning to you simply because you have judged it to be pathetic simply as a display of some personal inadequacy on your part. Who knows?

The answers themselves, although quite predictable and equally baffling, demonstrate many contradictions in their faith as well as their system of belief.

Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him. (James 5:14-15 ASV)

This commands us not to seek medical treatment. Of course, you've most likely visited doctors before, so you've already gone against the word of your god.

In reading the scripture you chose (brilliant choice I might add) I notice that it doesn't preclude other options in addition to the prayers of the faithful. Following the instruction of this scripture can easily be done from a hospital bed or home or anywhere. Your conclusion that this commands us not to seek medical treatment is very narrow at best.

I don't know. I suppose I would have to ask 'most doctors' before I jumped to any conclusions about the beliefs of 'most doctors'. I do know quite a number who are Sikh, Hindu,Moslem and even a couple of Bhuddists as well as some who are Christians. It's never occured to me having a religious conviction would preclude a person from joining the medical profession.

The Bible doesn't say anything abouta lot of things particularly things that we have in today that would ahve been the stuff of withcraft and heresy 200 hundred let alone 2000 years ago.Do I believe God can heal people? Yes I do.Do I believe that healing only occurs through prayer and miracles?Dont be daft. My Godwould not provide the sort of medical services we have today and then say 'But you can't use them' Sorry to dissapoint you.

I have no idea what I might or might not of done. We have doctors and hospitals becuase of the way our social structure has adapted to accomodate the changes in medical understanding and the changes in how we treat illness and injury. Try as hard as you want but you can not force me to accept your interpretation of one verse in the Bible simply so you can do the 'I was Right' happy dance.

I am being honest. I have no more idea what I would of done centuries ago than you do. Unless of course you are falling into the trap of trying to jusdge past events by present social and moral standards.The people we are now are not the people we would have been then.I believe everything comes from God including doctors, nurses, therapsts, modern medicines and surgical technics etc etc.What I don't understand is this obsession some of uyou have with trying to prove me wrong because of my beliefs. I suggest you avail yourself of some of the excellent mental health therapies available today to try and understand your need to destroy my faith.

We both would have been steeped in myth, superstition and ignorance, and we both would most likely have joined in the witch burnings. It's pretty obvious.

... cancer, starvation, disease, war, etc. etc. Funny how so many believers diss anything scientific as it goes against biblical scriptures, yet you claim it all comes from god. It seems the contradictions continue.

No one is trying to prove your beliefs are wrong, they are wrong, that is just a fact of life.

It is my belief that we should believe the word of God.I however do not believe that we should believe every interpretation that mankind has imagined to be true. There are too many Interpretations to choose from.

We know for sure that the Holy Spirit was sent by Jesus. 'Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him to you.'(John 16:7KJV) These words were spoken by Jesus to His followers.

And not only that. We also know that the Holy Spirit is not a liar. John 14:17KJV refers to Him as the Spirit of Truth. He is not a lying Spirit. We can trust Him.

We also know that He dwells within us, also according to John 14:17KJV.

Therefore, the Holy Spirit (who cannot lie) sent to us by Jesus to indwell us, reveals the Scriptures to our hearts. He makes us to know that God's Word. Just as the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost(Romans 5:5) so is the rest of the Word of God.

So, if anyone is lacking revelation as to what is truth and what is not, they're lacking a vibrant connection to the Holy Spirit.

Yes, there are many translations of God's Word. But there is only one Holy Spirit and He is the revealer. Look to Him when you study Scripture, instead of leaning on what you think may or may not be and running from one translation to the next. Ask the Holy Spirit for revelation as you study. That's one of the reasons He's indwelling you and I.

Sometimes we don't analyse at all!Which of the thousands of versions of this god are you representing? Oh that's it! You have the right one even though a thousand other nutters are screaming, No! It's the one I believe in!Pathetic!

There are many facts that demonstrate your god does not exist, there are no facts that demonstrate he does exist. There is no Word of God, there is only the words of men.

It is a fact that god will send both you and me to hell.It is a fact that holy books were written by men.It is a fact that many gods are purported to exist.It is a fact that no one has seen a god.It is a fact that gods are vengeful, hence they are not loving.It is a fact that gods are fallible.

As more and more of these facts are put together, we can see it is fact that your god does not exist.

First of all, the bible was written by registered ministries who knows what they are talking about. You on the other hand are a joke. Also, you know nothing of what you are talking about. If you live in a clean life and devote yourself to God you will go to heaven. Make mistakes, clean them up and confess your mistakes/etc all will be forgiven. Very sad. Suggestion go to Church and make a HONEST effort to about the real world of God. I for one believe in him. He died for you along with his son. Shame on you for bashing him.

By going to church they will prove it. God is a forgiving God. However, as long as you come clean and confess your mistakes and etc. That is a fact. If you believe in prayer that is a bonding communication with God that too is a fact with any church,. And, "God" is everyones "God" not just mine.

And you just don't see how this is divisive and causes conflict do you? How sad you feel the need to spread hatred and fear in this fashion.

I bet Jeebus is proud of you threatening like this. I can't remember which one of the scriptures says to do so. Is it before or after the ones that state women should not preach? I can never remember.....

Not at all. I don't expect to control anyone or anything. What I am doing is making a minute adjustment in the meme concerned and if enough people do this - over an extended period - eventually the meme will change - as it is changing. Despite your resistance to it - as we both know - if no one does anything - it will never change. And then maybe people like you might stop needing the woo woo lala to make them feel important and superior. Who knows? Worth a try I think.

When my back aches I am thankful that I am not para;ized. When I spend my last dollar to fix my car I am thankful that I had that dollar and a car to spend it on.

When I am at work or any place else and begin feeling sorry for my pitiful self, I just think of a dozen other places that I would rather NOT be more than the place that I am.This is easy to do. I could name more than that.

Right now, God, I praise you for allowing me and mine the blessing of life. You kept us through the night and brought us into this day. Thank You. And You didn't stop there. For when we awake, we still had sound minds and the ability to move. To see. To hear. You have bestowed new mercies upon us again. And I again I say, Thank You.

This is the Lord's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes. (Psalm 118:23)

But - It does give him some "authority" - at least in his own mind. This ego-driven need to be "better" that un-believers is well documented in their book.

They - are saved.You - are damned.

Sad really - and he doesn't even realise that he is the one causing conflict and doing "satan's work," because he is so wrapped up in being "better" than you.

This whole thread is testament to the warped behavior caused by this nonsensical belief system. If you don't believe - you are belittling God and - not so long ago - you would have been burned at the stake for doing so.

It really is a terrible belief system. But they are blind to it. I mean - could you imagine if these people had any real authority? - You think they would not be burning you to cleanse your soul? Exactly. For your own good.

And you watch - not one of them will respond to this with a reasonable reply. The best you can hope for is that "they were not real christians" that did that in the past and conveniently forget they are having exactly the same discussion that preceded a burning.

Or they may choose to attack Stalin as doing the same thing - therefore it is OK that Christians have been doing it since their religion came to political power. Never really understood the "unbelievers kill people so it is OK if believers do," argument.

Nobody is saying that a believer is better than a non believer, nor did my post mention anything about hell or your proximity to it in the future. Your preconceptions are showing through.

I cannot call the crusaders (to quote just one lot of misguided folk)as representative of my belief system, any more than I can call Stalin representative of whatever you disbelieve.

Fact is, we are all responsible for what WE individually do, and when your life is judged the judgement will be in accordance to your life, not Stalin's life or Richard the Lionhearts, or Uncle Tom Cobbley and all.

You have a serious hatred of Christianity, which is your prerogative, however your avowed intent to silence all believers is more of a concern, as it will surely lead to frustration for you, especially as believers are prone to witness Christ more when Satan attempts to silence them.

There is nothing as good for the church as a case of persecution, mild or otherwise, to bring out the witness in folk.

Personally I find your ramblings futile and certainly have no brief to try to 'save' you from anything, you have established beyond any reasonable doubt that you have rejected the gospel message, so practically speaking you case is one where the believer is instructed to 'dust your feet' and move on.

But it would be a shame if you were allowed to castigate believers without any response being made.

However, no harm is done, as your supporters will be satisfied that you gave the poor Christian a beating, and believers in Christ will continue to feel sorrow that you demonstrate such hatred and anger alongside a complete lack of understanding of what scripture states.

Enjoy life a little Mark, and stop wasting your time baiting believers, we have an eternity to ponder, you have oblivion to look forward to, so get out more and have some fun, it's all you have to find pleasure in, the here and now, this moment, no future to aspire to, why waste your short life fighting a battle you will never win.

If you could kill every believer in the world, Christ would draw more to Him the next instance, when all believers are removed by Christ, there will still be more believers coming from those previously unbelieving hoards left behind, believers who will know that the Antichrist forces will behead them for refusing to recant their faith, yet will still push onward to that death, knowing Christ and knowing that death has no hold on them.

You say I know nothing of God. Well, I do know enough to understand that He's the one who found me. I was the one lost. Not Him.

There's nothing psychotic about the Word of God. But there is something psychotic about people who obviously deny His existence continually showing up on threads where He is exalted only to express the same trite, irrelevent and dishonorable verbage against Him, His Word and His followers.

(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Exodus 32:26-29 NLT(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing."

If you think this is not psychotic, then, it seems, you are the one being dishonorable here...and immoral, I must add.

Do you think this is an appropriate place to praise the lord? These are discussion forums - not a pulpit. What is there to discuss here? Nothing.

Don't you think you should keep it as a private thing between you and your imaginary friend? I don't care what garbage you believe - but I don't see why I should have to wade through this nonsense when I come to the forum. Do you?

I absolutely think this is an appropiate place to praise the Lord. You seem to have no problem mocking and trying to belittle Him. So let us, who want to, get our praise on. And if you don't like it, you can easily disregard it.

And as you seem to have missed it, my first post began as a discussion.

I don't have to quote you. Everyone knows your m.o. And this is discussion or are you unable to tell the difference? Or perhaps it's not your kind of discussion. In that case, no one is making you stick around.

That comment about scriptures restricting or limiting people from seeking medical treatment. We need to take a step back in time and realized that the knowledge people had regarding healing was indeed limited.

i would agree that "Religion" is terminal. But i would make this comment , Jesus Christ said that I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE. No one comes to the Father except through me. He doesn't say I am a way, a truth and a life. The problem with our society today is if it doesn't fit into our bubble of what God should be or it doesn't FEEL GOOD to us. We make excuses for why we don't follow God. The truth is without a relationship with Jesus Christ you will suffer eternally.

Also, believing in Jesus, as some kind of saviour, is terminal as well.

I will not suffer eternally. Why? Because that nonsense you believe is based on a lie. I am certain that the eternity of suffering you think awaits me is psychotic delusion. I need no relationship with Jesus Christ!

When a Scientists comes to the end of the road on their journey for achieving understanding, Do they say, " There is nothing to find beyond where we have gone? So what ever is within our understand is all that there is to know?

Nevermind, I am not going to continue this...it is too far off topic. If you need to learn more about science, please go read. Because, by your statement, you have limited knowledge of it. I'm outta here.

mandelbroth states that your entire being is a repetition of a basic fractal in orbit in varying scales that are infinite in proportion,make you, a grain of sand an exact scaled version of the larger Mark Knowles.

Meaningless woo woo lala mathematics that do not apply to the real world in a way that affects us and certainly do not apply to a single grain of sand. No matter how many times you repeat this old meaningless, been-said-a-million-times before woo woo.........

Now see yourself as an actual grain on the beach instead of needing to be something more important than you are.

That grain of sand is no fractal of the beach. It's only a part of it. You can take a grain of sand and the beach and it wouldn't make a real difference. Fractals are mathematic. They never change. Ever.

I said it, because i base my comments on evidence of your comments...and a little background check. so if you do...it's value is naught here. no evidence. create a new thought instead of reacting to old ones and maybe you'll be more successful in your cause. this way, you just alienate yourself and you lose influence...just a thought, PC.

woo woo lala is every where mark, the higher up in scientific thought you go, the worse it gets. now if you like to stay in mainstream cow herding thinking, yes...go ahead and call everything you don't care to understand woo woo lala.

well pc, that would be an unfounded claim as you offer no evidence to support the matter.

you do not understand x=X. You do not understand that in a timescale, nothing is random. You also do not understand the solid basis of all the things you call "woowoo lala" nor do you understand what the right brain does. if you do, the value is zero. there is no evidence of the existence of your creative input to the discussion of the nature of spirituality nor the existence of man.

you making fun of people who are religious and invalidating those who think different from you does not make you a thought leader, it makes you an angry post-theist.

You think if you say it often enough it will come true? I have told you all you need to know. All the rest is meaningless woo woo lala to make yourself feel more important than a grain of sand on the beach.

There is no evidence of your creative input either - as you are apparently incapable of seeing destruction as creation.

creation and destruction are twins. but one extreme is not the other. you cannot create through destruction. you destroy through destruction. and then someone else will create on top of what you destroyed. if you cannot swing both ways, you are nothing more than a destroyer. destroy, create, destroy, create. you can't just destroy destroy destroy. what are you creating now, PC?

Creating through destruction happens all the time. Composting is a permanent occurence in the world. In fact the human body is composting and being regenerated, until it can't be regenerated anymore, cause we eat too much disgusting Mcdonalds 'food'!

Impermanence is a fact in the physical world. Even steel will rust, large rocks erode.

Praise be the Creator- God Allah YHWH, the Lord of Heaven and the Earth:

[6:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.[6:2] All praise belongs to Allah Who created the heavens and the earth and brought into being every kind of darkness and light; yet those who disbelieve set up equals to their Lord. [6:3] He it is Who created you from clay, and then He decreed a term. And there isanother term fixed with Him. Yet you doubt! [6:4] And He is Allah, the God, both in the heavens and in the earth. He knows your inside and your outside. And He knows what you earn. [6:5] And there comes not to them any Sign of the Signs of their Lord, but they turn away from it. [6:6] So they rejected the truth when it came to them; but soon shall come to them the tidings of that at which they mocked. [6:7] See they not how many a generation We have destroyed before them? We had established them in the earth as We have established you not, and We sent the clouds over them, pouring down abundant rain; and We caused streams to flow beneath them; then did We destroy them because of their sins and raised up after them another generation. [6:8] And if We had sent down to thee a writing upon parchment and they had felt it with their hands, even then the disbelievers would have surely said, ‘This is nothing but manifest sorcery.’ [6:9] And they say, ‘Why has not an angel been sent down to him?’ But if We had sent down an angel, the matter would have been settled, and then they would not have been granted a respite. [6:10] And if We had appointed as Messenger an angel, We would have made him appear as a man; and thus We would have made confused to them what they are themselves confusing.

You are a hypocrite. You yourself speak what you think to be absolutes. I have not seen you exhibit possibility thinking. Don't you ignore the fact that to be open-minded, one must destroy preconceptions?

All you do is twist words. You use the Bible, that you do not believe, to try and convict the believer, then you bash us for believing what we believe. And you think we're confused....

No - I am clear. I have destroyed all preconceptions - including your ridiculous hate filled belief system. Should I not use the bible? I certainly don't do it very often in case I am mistaken for a believer.

An omnipotent being does not require weak humans to praise, or defend it. Stop being afraid of what you are; and that is simply a human being. Live your life free of the Lies that the controlers have washed the inside of your head with.

The Omnipotent God absolutely requires humans to praise Him. All of His other creations glorify Him, why would it be any different for humans? He does not need our praises. Even now His throne is surrounded by praises unto Him, that are continually, day and night, without ceasing being given Him.

Who are you? Or I to think that He needs anything from us. He does require our praise and our worship, but not because He's needy. Or because He needs be reminded of who He is or to even feel good about Himself. But because He is God, that's why He's to be praised. And when our devotion is misplaced we certainly will find some one or some thing else to worship. And it's a sad day when the Creator is unable to enjoy that which He made.

And thank you for being concerned about my freedom. But, I've never been more free than I am today. Jesus sets captives free.

Focus on your own freedom, because if you ain't got Him, you're not free. You are bound by the lies presented to you by the father of lies, satan.

Ladies and gentleman; BEWARE the Zealot. They are the bombers and burners, manifest destiny destroyers, and those that will breed the human race into extinction.

This man sounds like a true Roman. You remember those guys? They are the ones that wrote your bible and told you that they are Righteous as they destroyed anything that they didn't understand, or did not conform to their idealism. Their ancestors, (other Romanized Europeans) Murdered their way into the New world and killed paradise.

Now let me ask you? Is that an example of your God? I am thinking it sounds a great deal more like the work of an Extremely delusional culture of humans who are working for other humans and not for any God.

Another tip; Romans left no one up for only 3 days...dead or alive. Someone got paid. When a man or woman was crucified, they rotted off the cross.

I am a zealot and do not get paid. In fact a zealot heretic!Tell me pagan, what have you learned apart from the media, books and preachers pulpit?

We do not destroy the Truth, only those things that PRETEND to be Truth -to satisfy the cravings of men.

He was taken from the cross, at sunset, given to Joseph of Arimathea - who DONATED his own tomb, to be buried -ESCORTED by Roman guard to the place -because of the nature of those who killed him, safety of Joseph and to avoid rebellion.

I have had many, and have seen the work of Romans. They're the evil, and since they conquered the trade hub of the ancient world, their fetid greed has spread like the plague of pass over. It is not I good sir, it is you who needs to look beyond the text of those that allegedly killed (more likely he was taken down alive after Mary bribed the Roman Guards) your messiah, and seek the truth within the ground. Those of evil intent are also lazy, and short sighted (thankfully). They have left far more evidence than even the most vile of zealots can destroy. Your book is not truth, it is a form of control.

So YOU have have actually seen the Romans and their works? Or the assumed proprietary insinuations of those applications? Please, do tell. And do tell what the valuable, applicable relevance it holds - apart from the human condition - and the pagan books you wrote for them? Heathen, parasite, Baal worshiper, HA! No one cares or regards you anymore. Your temple is destroyed; see your herds and fields dried up, a wasteland of bastard children. The steel you forge is not yours, nor the weapons you think control your destiny. Snakes with no venom!

My what? HA! Pagans, you never learn, do you. Always pointing out your own flaws of which god to worship. Having cut yourselves with knives and words - left to lick your self inflicted wounds.

Do this: call upon your gods; oh wait, they are on the toilet and can't hear you. And when you realize it, the Truth will become evident. No longer will you need to interpret Truth. Until then, enjoy the dung of slavery you 'created' for yourself...

Clearly you do not understand the difference here either, Woo woo lala. I sure do use a mac for my personal stuff and various easy peasy apps that it will run, but - sadly - there are limitations (less since they went to Intel) where you have to use a rotten stinking PC. My last Mac was more trouble than it was worth. Damn thing melted twice.

no sh-t! what do you do with it? I have been a commercial photographer for a loooong time and my files are huge, but I never had a problem. I started using macs ever since I was 18. never failed me, directors,editors and sound engineers I worked with during my days in advertising all use mac. we never ever had to use pcs, pc.

Second generation MacBook Pro - 17 inch. Everything broke - motherboard finally melted and not worth fixing. Used it for working online - now run an older Mac for personal use and a new PC for work. I won't go into boring details, but there are a lot of apps I need to do this that will only work on a PC.

The MacBook Pro melted?! What on earth did you use it for? I've been a mac user all my life among mac users (except for my husband and his dad)and never heard of such a thing. I agree there are a lot of available apps for PCs but you can't seem to load them all without causing some serious IT work. My Mac can run Windows but I hardly ever ever use it. That is the strangest thing I have ever heard, PC.

I'm sorry to hear that, but for toy purposes the iPad sure is fun to use, even my six year old can use it. I admittedly have never ever used a PC in my life.

so you would be right, I wouldn't know the difference. I think PCs are for old men in glasses who like to putter around in a dark room, fidgeting with the thing until the wee hours of the morning and their wives and kids wondering if they're still alive in there.

Yes - I can see how it bothers you religionists to have unbelievers question your authority when you proclaim your praise out loud for all to see. IDK - maybe if you kept it to yourself? Oh - that is right - GOD tells you to spread the ISM no matter the conflict caused.

Go ISM!!! Just remember - You are living the WORD. It just appears as though you are not. LOLOLOL

Roaring even louder as 21 claims not to have an ISM! I wonder if he gets we are sick of the ISM being stuck to us?

It was yaaazuuhauah that sed laugh at the unbelievers was it not? RAmen

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Why are these threads so conducive to inane back and forth (meaning conversation that gets no one anywhere except to a place of fractious discord)? Is HP a particularly delicious venue for these kinds of postures? What is it about HP that invites these antagonisms?

There are those who profess their beliefs and then those who retaliate with sarcasm, the result of which is that no good information follows.

Maybe "Religion & Beliefs" ought to be eliminated as a forum category.

On the other hand, perhaps time will tell when the skeptics and cynics actually do shed light on the reasons for these arguments.

On the other, other hand, perhaps all of this is a big great joke in the universe, the universe that we have no comprehension of whatsoever.

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