The match bullet selection just is not there with the 27 caliber. So IMO it is not in the same league as the .308 for target shooting in any form. The 26, 28 and 30 cals just have a better selection in that regard.

There are a few selections, but they are more light weight bullets and just won't work as well for long range target shooting.

But again for hunting the .270 is a great round. Typical deer and even elk the .270 does the job well.

Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

If you are looking into all variations of a .277 round, I'd say the WSM is a pretty fair bet. While it doesn't have the punch of the .270 Wby, it comes at a lower cost, retains a short action, and pushing a 150 gr. Berger VLD with a .531 b.c. at 3150 fps, in my opinion, it'll put the hurt on any .308 load out there. The standard .270 Win. has fewer advantages, but it's still a great round, and one I'd probably take over a .308, but I'm kinda partial to the .277 calibers to begin with.

I would like to own a .270 wby pushing a 150 Berger at 3200 plus though.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

There are better bullets ballistically speaking for chamberings in 7mm or .284 but as mentioned there are lots of reasons to go with a .308. One bullet I really like now for target shooting is the mag-length seatable Berger 175 gr. OTM. I have nothing against Barnes but they have never suited my requirements of having high BC bullets. I use 165 gr. Nosler Accubonds for hunting.

I still say no. The .308 is a great round. No doubt about that, but its not the end-all-be-all that it's made out to be. It is a very accurate round, that's easy to tune, and load for, but it's not the greatest long range cartrige ever made like so many think. My thinking is that the military uses it, so it MUST be the greatest......Like the Rem. 700.

Here is what I get for ballistics on 3 different cartriges.

.308- 175gr. Berger VLD 2750 fps muzzle velocity

Range

Drop

Drop

Windage

Windage

Velocity

Mach

Energy

Time

Lead

Lead

(yd)

(in)

(MOA)

(in)

(MOA)

(ft/s)

(none)

(ft•lbs)

(s)

(in)

(MOA)

0

-1.6

***

0.0

***

2750.0

2.463

2938.1

0.000

0.0

***

100

1.8

1.7

0.7

0.6

2566.4

2.299

2558.9

0.113

19.9

19.0

200

-0.0

-0.0

2.8

1.3

2390.1

2.141

2219.4

0.234

41.2

19.7

300

-7.9

-2.5

6.5

2.1

2220.7

1.989

1916.0

0.364

64.1

20.4

400

-22.9

-5.5

12.0

2.9

2058.2

1.844

1645.9

0.505

88.8

21.2

500

-46.1

-8.8

19.5

3.7

1902.9

1.704

1406.8

0.656

115.5

22.1

600

-79.0

-12.6

29.2

4.6

1755.4

1.572

1197.1

0.820

144.4

23.0

700

-123.1

-16.8

41.3

5.6

1616.5

1.448

1015.2

0.999

175.7

24.0

800

-180.6

-21.6

56.2

6.7

1487.6

1.332

859.8

1.192

209.8

25.0

900

-253.8

-26.9

74.0

7.9

1370.2

1.227

729.4

1.402

246.8

26.2

1000

-345.5

-33.0

94.9

9.1

1266.0

1.134

622.7

1.630

286.9

27.4

.270 WSM- 150 gr. Berger VLD 3150 fps muzzle velocity

Range

Drop

Drop

Windage

Windage

Velocity

Mac

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I dont think anybody is going to flame away on you, nor disagree with the information you presented. To answer the original question, i think everybody will agree that the .270 has superior ballistics to a .308 at all ranges when handloaded. Youre comparing apples and oranges. I think what most people where pointing out is the .308 should also get the job done with greater selection, easier on your check book and on your shoulder.

If he was going to buy one box of ammo a year to go elk hunting then it doesnt matter, go ahead and get the .270 for the extra umphff, otherwise my vote goes for the .308... or get both, problem solved.

The most "popular" and common .308 rounds are not optimal for best performance of 30 cal. A 180gr bullet is "middle of the road" for 30 cal. Build me a high BC 220-250gr round for 30 cal and I can destroy "performance" of the 270.

270 is an abomination. All 270 materiel should be melted down and converted to something useful...

Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living

I'm not worried about the shoulder, it handles my .300 win just fine. What I'm not looking for is a huge amount of money spent for ammunition for reloading, since above said rifle is expensive enough as it (factory) for what my gun likes. I know there shouldn't be a huge difference in recoil between the two, but I could be wrong.

The most "popular" and common .308 rounds are not optimal for best performance of 30 cal. A 180gr bullet is "middle of the road" for 30 cal. Build me a high BC 220-250gr round for 30 cal and I can destroy "performance" of the 270.

270 is an abomination. All 270 materiel should be melted down and converted to something useful...

imho you're looking at it wrong. you should be comparing the .308 to a 30.06, rather than the .270. and if you're looking at the magnum variations of the 270, you need to compare them to the magnum 30s... like the 300wsm, 300win, 300wby, ect. not to mention the 270wsm and the 7mm rem mag are pretty damn close in ballistics, but you'll find 7mm ammo much easier.

if you're handloading, as you said you may be in the near future, either one would be just fine.

however, the 308/7.62x51, or a 5.56/223 is one rifle everyone should own... for ease of ammo acquisition once the zombie invasion happens.

IMO, the problem with any of the magnums like the 270 WSM and Weatherby is the larger amounts of powder. They just burn things up quicker. 3200 fps sounds great, but that speed comes at a cost.

With a good quality barrel you can easily get 6000+ plus rounds out of a .308. They say barrels like Gary Schniders you can get 10,000+ and they are still accurate.

I bet with a 270 WSM or a Weatherby 3000+ would be pushing it. Most shooters are budget minded so calibers like the 223 rem, 260, 7mm-08, .308 make a lot more sense.

I guess if a person is not a high volume shooter then that aspect of things would not hold as much weight.

I find myself shooting my ARs more than anything because of the cost and because it is so easy for me to rebarrel them when needed. I will go out and shoot 300 or 400 rounds in one day with a couple of them. The non magnum calibers just make a lot more sense to me in that regard.

Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

The gunsmith in my town said the 270WSM along with all the WSMs are the best "business" he has had in all of his years of gunsmithing. Due to all the repairs that the high pressures and speeds "wildcat" cartridges do to rifles. Plus he has never been a fan of belted mags for accuracy.

I don't think there is really anything wrong with any of them just the .308 has more going for it(see list above). More speed does not necessarily mean more accuracy most cases the opposite is true. For the reloader(I don't) the .308 must be as go as it gets:

large and cheap bullet selection

small amount of powder for basically 30-06 ballistics

low pressures on the brass

light weight

all kinds of literature

I don't any draw back with the .308 where as there maybe some be drawback with everything else but, then again it is whatever a person "wants". Nothing wrong with that whats so ever.

Is there any more info I could get on this ballistically? Besides the .284 probably being the best round, I'm guessing between the .270 and .308 caliber range, is the only difference between the 7mm-08 and the 7mm rem mag is the casing, powder and bullet?

You can shoot the same exact bullets. The 7 mag has about 300 fps on the -08. The mag has a belt on it that will make reloading a bit more difficult. Doable, just more difficult. I reload a 7 mag for an auto loader and it works just fine.

Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

The most "popular" and common .308 rounds are not optimal for best performance of 30 cal. A 180gr bullet is "middle of the road" for 30 cal. Build me a high BC 220-250gr round for 30 cal and I can destroy "performance" of the 270.

270 is an abomination. All 270 materiel should be melted down and converted to something useful...

.

KB!!!

Say it ain't so!!

I'm injured!! Bleedin even. Out of your vast experience and wisdom a hater of the 270. Surely you missed Trigger's post containing facts and wisdom in this same thread. Man!! The shock. Don't you know the only reason the military isn't useing the 270 is budget and polotics (I jest).

But, seriously the 270 is a great round and in the wsm a strong competitor for the bullet wts. it is offered in. It is the bullet of choice for those of us who want something away from what everyone else is doing. The 30-06 the 308 though well able to hold their own are generally a dime a dozen but the 270. Now you've got something that covers full spectrum varmint to elk just as well and in a narrow field better than it's competing 30cal bullets (revelant wt. class).

And as you said, if you want optimal performance from a 30 cal. Load a 220+ round in your 300wm and you've got ultimate performance. But now your along way from a 308.

Give me a day or so and I'll be over this deep cut. Still luv ya man just wasn't expecting that left hook. (again I jest).

Edited by Sgt. D - November/04/2011 at 14:51

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