I hope to establish a dialog among those of you who enjoy a challenge from time to time.

You see those of us in the 'other place' has also been facing declining numbers, lost interest and well pretty much everyone is going all web 2.0 because of all the nonsensical 'games' and live social action.

There are those of us who feel that we have witnessed the same thing before, in the world of BBSes.

So we would like to propose some kind of tournement between our two sites, the two sides of what was once a vibrant community that is not hopelessly fragmented.

I am not offering peace, olives, birds or anysuch manner, but rather a neutral ground for combat.

The game is Trade Wars.

I was thinking of keeping it simple, medium sized universe. Naturally it wouldn't be fair for me to participate but that is fine by me. I can take in the registrations, setup the game, and post daily scores (I run on GMT) daily to find out who is the best of the best.

While I did play in our last game, I wound up busy and just parked around earth (where I still am)... Naturally I woulnd't even do that much this time... I helped nobody from k5 in any manner as they figured stuff out on their own. And of course nothing stops them (or you) from posting to eachother.....

You can check it out for yourself, telnet to oggfrog.net or there is a telnet client on the web page. Naturally do *NOT* use your password from here there....

what the citizens of this site value, more or less, is our relationships to each other. the site is a facilitator ... and if it gets replaced by a different/better one, well, there'll be some nostalgia and some sadness, but no big deal.

At my age, I'd prefer a contest in something out of the Civilization series, or maybe the Total War series. Sadly, my problem there is not a lack of potential people to challenge but lack of time in which to challenge them in. ---[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman

Did you ever see that movie? Had Lilly Tomlin in it. When I was a child I saw her onstage for some damn play or one woman show or something. Anyhow, I assumed she was a guy wearing a dress, which is ironic because she's in this movie with Dustin Hoffman, who made a movie about a guy who couldn't get an acting gig unless he dressed up as a woman. Tootsie. Not a great movie but it had some moments.

I Heart Huckabees was the name of the movie, the one that the line I quote up there comes from. When I first saw that movie, I assumed it was made specifically to make fun of me. And don't get me wrong, I do have an ego the size of a small planet but I don't assume everything is about me...it's just, the tone and timbre of that movie...the underlying plot points and the things that motivated and drove each character...well, it was like someone had taken a fun-house view of my existence and created a movie around some of the themes in my life.

Of course I realized that it wasn't just about me, it was everyone like me: white, 30s, American, and driven to the point of excess in one specific direction. Like, once you find some Thing to be passionate about, you pursue it to ends that cannot be healthy for anyone. You shunt all other things into that one Thing and you make that Thing your new identity. It becomes You, and you're lost in some artificial endeavor that masks a far more interesting density of personality and ideas. You subscribe to AdBusters or Financial Times. You buy a djembe or climb the corporate ladder. You focus on some distant point and throw your life into making it there.

In the movie each character is representative of some trait of modern psychology, and the movie goes about making it's point in a comical yet fulfilling series of mistakes forgiven, rules broken and created, and masks lowered to eventually create a synthesis of those disparate bits, a unified personality that, while imperfect, is a far better thing. A unified personality, trying to understand.

In the end, it was time and frantic activity that revealed the unity of those people; each character was a way of mind, each represented some aspect of classic psychiatric treatment, Jungian understanding, Zen philosophy, and classical nihilism.

I don't think you're a troll.

I just think you're one of those people who shows up uninvited and maybe tries really hard to make an impact (maybe with a fancy hat, or some sort of, I dunno, a reptile or small mammal on your shoulder, maybe a bad accent) but ends up being relatively easy to forget once the noise is made and the evening wraps. You head out satisfied that some thing has happened that somehow amused you, and the rest of us forget that you existed. Over at k5 your memetic memory for the various nics is pervasive and long lasting. Here I can't even remember the last idiot that tried to get a rise out of us (often succeeding). The spam accounts and the k5 users have the same longevity.

So, yeah. Not really a troll. Just another aspect of the world, reminding us why we decided to create out little gated community, but quickly fading into a distant nagging sticking point on an otherwise OK evening.

Personally, I don't care about "husi". I care about the people on husi. I chat with "husites" all the time, though increasingly not on this particular site. If it were to die entirely, I might feel a little sad, but as long as I am still in contact with the people I've met here, it really doesn't matter too much to me.---[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman

It's not a "clique". I have a lot of friends I met here (and on k5, before it became a cesspit.) If "here" stops existing, they'll still be friends.

It's like if I went with friends to a bar all the time. If the bar closed down, we'd just pick a different bar. We might be a little sad, but the bar isn't the point.---[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman

The point is that I don't know you from Adam. I don't know your nick, and you say you come from a site infested by raving sociopaths. Given those conditions, I don't particularly want to have any social interactions with you.

Certainly that could change, if I saw you posting as a reasonable person, but I no more want to join a game with "random K5 person I don't know" than I would on an XBox live public server. Too much likelihood of annoying garbage.---[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman

Someone using a name from "Planes, Trains and Automobiles" that John Candy played joins Husi as a new user, and you decide to bite the n00b eh?

Look a lot of your friends on Husi have K5 accounts too, so not everyone from K5 is a cesspit loser even if you think they are.

Tradewars is a BBS game, all you need is a Telenet connection to Oggfrog to play it. The Oggfrog BBS is not a part of Kuro5hin by the way, it is a Synchonet BBS that started in OS/2 and later Windows Server via virtual machines. Del spent a lot of his own spare time and money to set up the BBS and some K5 users play Tradewars on it and he wants to offer it to Husi users now.

people ublockhead says are friends also play in that cesspit from time to time. But somehow they are better than others who do the same thing.

If you have to know why I, the blastard, snap and make annoying and inane comments, it is because I am attacked and bullied and people say how much better they are than me. It enables my mental illness, and it is discrimination. I don't join social cliques and K5 the cesspit doesn't really like me that much anyway. By ublockhead's logic if the cesspit doesn't like me that much, I should be a great guy superstar here.

If you have to ask why I left here, some users became elitist snobs and formed cliques and picked on a bullied other users.

Del is just offering some competition using his neutral Michael Crawford themed BBS. Even Michael Crawford left Husi and hangs out at Kuro5hin for some reason. But the BBS has Tradewars and LORD and can have other BBS games added. Seeing if Husi can beat Kuro5hin in Tradewars would be good, unless there is a lack of players from Husi. Like a game of Cricket or whatever.

you have the right to refuse to play. Nobody is forcing you to play. As I said a simple no would have sufficed. What you did was bully Del for 20+ comments and then had your friends join in on some social clique dogpile on Del. How dare he invite Husi members to a Tradewars game, let's gang up on him! If you have to ask it makes you the bastard because you are acting like a bastard.

It is not about refusing Trade wars, others here refused and that was the end of it. You instead just bullied Del and brought in your social clique to beat him up some more and defend your right to be a bastard. I really don't see how you refuse to say that, even when you admitted you were a "little bit harsh on Del" and at least you admit to the truth there a bit but grossly understated it.

nobody is forcing anyone to play Tradewars. But Prejudging Del based on your past failed relationships is no excuse for allowing ublockhead to attack Del and then defend ublockhead for acting like a douche-bag. It is like rewarding ublockhead for putting a turd in the punch bowl and then rewarding ublockhead again for putting a turd on the coffe table, then attacking Del by saying "well ublockhead has friends" when he says "but ublockhead is laying turds everywhere, all over my diary."

I am beginning to think Husi is more like a "Lord of the Flies" society getting rid of the Simon and Piggy people. British boys ought to know better, you know.

you don't want to be a loser in Tradewars because you know you will lose the game. Yeah Rusty is very active in the game and owns people, he'd own you too and take your planets and other stuff and brag about it.

Everything else you go offtopic about. Kuro5hin isn't that bad, I've been there and the worst that can happen is zero bombing of your comments or being added to the Blastar be gone script to use Greasemonkey to hide your diaries, comments, and stories. Kinda time next to seeing a picture of a tiger if you know what I mean Vern!

about Husi, yet you use it anyway. You care about Husites and I am one, but you don't care about me. In fact you most likely don't care about some Husities and some that you do care but not as much as some more you care more for but less than some others you could care less about and half as much as those you say you care for but don't and apparently don't want to see rude so you say you care about them all.

Shoot I'd post a picture but this system does not seem to work in Firefox. I got the user files uploaded from long ago here. I chose the <<Comment button and nothing happens after choosing the picture. Did they disable it on my account or break Javascript with Firefox? Husi the Internet Explorer friendly Scoop site. We break Firefox.

you wouldn't care about the building or friends, lead them to a old building about to collapse and then laugh as they all die as the building comes down.

I not only care about my friends, but also what building they are in. I would not let them get into an old abandoned building that would fall down on them.

Del was honest, offered a friendly competition. You wrote like 20 posts attacking him, saying how much you don't care. Most people who don't care just don't post and ignore it and move on. You on the other hand just have to keep bullying people. It is not that you don't want to make new friends, but more like you know you are a sociopath and bully and cannot make new friends so you hang on to your old friends and control them so they won't leave you.

If you have to attack Del's diary and recruit your toadies to do more of the same from your social clique then you can torpedo his Tradewars offer and control even more by zeroing Del's comments and comments in this diary using your trusted user status. Might as well then move this diary to the hole, eh?

drop the whole thing. If you don't want to play, just say so. Don't get all dramatic on it and bully Del and then have your friends/toadies (whatever you want to call them) defend you and your right to be a douche-bag about it.

If I was your friend, I'd tell you to drop it, it ain't worth it. Nothing to prove and it only makes you look bad by pursuing it. If any of these friends of yours were true friends they'd do the same.

Someone asks you to drop it, be the better man, stop the bullying and just give it a rest? That is the behavior that does not want you to deal with Kurobots? I am not a Kurobot by the way they don't like me any more than you.

What makes you think you got a right to bully people and abuse your relationships with others to dogpile on those different than you? Like I said if you where not a bully you'd have dropped it, but you didn't. You got to get the last word in don't you?

Like I said already drop it. You don't want to play Tradewars, that is alright with me. Again nobody is forcing you. I really don't care if you play Tradewars or not honestly. I'm just calling you on your BS once again. You've done nothing but prove me right time after time.

"why would i bother toadying? why would this site be important enough to me to toady?"

To manipulate and control others. To stick up for your members of the social clique and refuse to let any others join that social clique. To take it out on people like me who don't fit in because I am different somehow due to a mental illness, or Del because he is a noob here and is trying to fit in. To impress ublockhead and other members of your clique.

My problem isn't with you or ublockhead per se but more towards the way you treat others not in your social clique. You think Kuro5hin has it, but Husi has it worse than Kuro5hin. You think you are better, superior, infalliable, untouchable, can do anything you want and get away with it, heck some of you even have editor power here. All it has done is chased away users who could have contributed to this site and helped out, and you could have had friends and better things to talk about. But instead you form social cliques and consider yourselves the elites.

You real problem with me, as you and others have said, is that I don't do society a favor and kill myself. I've been told to kill myself in obvious ways and subtle ways as well. I don't fit your social clique and never will.

but you seem to confuse my mental illness for me being a dumbass. I am not falling for that one.

I don't do well socially because my schizoaffective disorder is worse than asperger's syndrome in that respect. I got friends, but they know better than to be here at Husi or Kuro5hin. I got a few people I talk to that are only online and not in email that could be friends.

I guess that you just don't know enough about my mental illness to judge my intelligence. You have to resort to name calling like a second grader, eh?

You real problem with me, as you and others have said, is that I don't do society a favor and kill myself

I find it highly improbable that I've ever said such a thing. It's possible, I suppose, in that I don't remember everything I've ever written, but it's so far out of character and so inconsistent with my general worldview that it would be astonishing if it were true.

Don't forget this game was built in the BBS era where some boards only allowed a SINGLE person to be dialed in at a time. Currently I can handle 10 users at a time, but I can always increase it as needed.

You can spend I guess a few minutes to maybe 30 or so a day... You don't have to play it every day, but naturally the more often the better well more so initially.

discovery is key at the start of the game, since you will not know where the stardock is. Earth is always in sector 1. The computer can find its way around... I was hoping that some kind of team play would foster at least some kind of team skills on either side. Not that I'd expect anything between sites but hell the lost children of scoop should have *something* in common, no?

You could even download the software yourself and run it, as long as you can run MS-DOS executables with something that is at least 80286 compatable... which in this day & age shouldn't pose too much of a challenge...

that you do, but please I don't want you to. You've made your unwelcome perfectly clear.

Please stop.

You are not anyones friend, so stop pretending to do so.

In your 30 comments you've made it clear how much you do not care, but please would you just stop carring and care somewhere else? All your negativity just ruins it for those that do care. I know you want to just troll away cause fights, and prove to everyone that you aren not behaving like a highschooler with no friends, but we get 'it' now just stop before your further embarass yourself.

Del got attacked and ripped into by ublockhead. A true friend would say "Ublockhead, I think you are treating Del unfairly. All he wants is to offer a Tradewars game. As your friend I advise you to drop it as it just adds noise to the discussion." while a toadie would just stick up for ublockhead no matter how big a douche-bag ublockhead becomes.

is unwelcome. I was not trolling at all, all I did was state facts and cite examples. Ublockhead is acting like a douche-bag and I called him on it. Then you defended him for being a douche-bag by saying "he has friends". I mean seriously, WTF? Sure he has the personality of a serial killer and all the charm of a tiger in a cage, but he got friends. Sure he does not understand the difference between an honest invitation and a troll, but he got friends. Sure he's a sociopath and a bully but he got friends.

I got by content of character, btw and also the content of character of friends. MLK Jr. taught me that.

In 2005 they named me runner up to most improved player of the year. I never got banned on EIS' forum, they love me there. I only left because I got too sick to play Tradewars anymore. I made an exception for your BBS Del, because I think we can be friends even if we got off to a rough start on K5 those years ago. My fault really, my mental illness gets out of control sometimes.

is out there for all the early versions as the first programmers were all into sharing the source... So just by asking any questions about it got me banned. I figure they don't want players looking at the last public release of the pascal source and updating/fixing it themselves....

In a way I thought tw was a good fit for k5/husi as there is a lot of hazing and pressure to not accept new people but I guess the pressure here to not join is overwhelming. But that is what social cliques are all about.

I appreciate the signup, but don't push yourself too hard... Afterall it is only a game! :)

TW2002 TWGS is in Delphi and the old TW2002 Gold for BBSes was in Turbo Pascal. TW2002 did not release the source code even if it was based on Classic Tradewars that did release a BASIC and later Turbo Pascal source code. I think Gary and Maryann Martin did the original TW2002 and sold it to EIS that did the TW2002 Gold stuff.

Yeah I asked questions on how the cargo holds, fighters, and shields prices changed over time based on the date, they got mad at me. Didn't ban me though. Said I should be able to figure it out, etc.

Kuro5hin cannot do it as Jason or NWIS will just post Rustina everywhere. They did some dupe bombings here thus the new users get limited access because of them. Suicide troll bombings and now the hole is hidden to noobs and other restrictions.

forming their own social kliq and refusing to let anyone new join. Reminds me of why I left and why I had considered K5 over Husi. It is like the movie "Mean Girls" which I never saw, but I know how it works. Basically people who think they are better than the rest, form with their own friends with like interests and then shut everyone else out and say how annoying or how stupid or how boring they are. All the while being hypocrites and going for that cool image like the emo kids do now and the goth kids did back then not knowing how it ruins their own lives and shuts out people.

But hey if they feel better by feeling superior to everyone else and living in a fantasy world, I guess it is their choice.

While Kuro5hin may be too Ghetto for them, they know that playing against K5 in Tradewars would be like playing against the Harlem Globetrotters in Basketball.

He attacked Del from what I read, said he didn't care and kept writing posts about how much he didn't care and what he could to insult Del because Del talked about K5. If he doesn't care he should just drop it and quit making stupid posts as that animated GIF says.

I've still no interest in joining a game with a random k5er, but yeah, if you posted here for a while without insulting people, or generally acting like you want to turn it into the k5 diary troll-fest then yeah, that could change.

It's just usually when someone pops over from k5, they're more intent on calling people names and causing trouble. (And it's fascinating that it's always people from there popping up here, and not vice versa.)

Why not try just acting like a normal user here?---[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman

he didn't attack anyone in his diary and was nice about it. Then you decided to troll him and would not stop. You are the one who turned it into a flame war, and got your toadies to join in. You are the one that started it.

A little hard on Del? That is an understatement, you are a bully to Del. You run your own social clique and are an elitist snob. You never gave Del a chance and kept attacking him, and only now do you write "I've been told I many be being a little to hard on you." (SIC)

Act like a normal user? What is normal for Husi anyway? Bite the noob seems normal, writing 20+ posts attacking the user and telling him/her how much you don't care seems normal. Getting into a flamewar over the mention of a friendly challenge seems normal. Crapflooding the diaries with "I don't care" comments seem normal? You think K5 is bad, but from what I just saw from you, Husi is even worse.

if you did that it would only be one comment. Let me give you an example:

"Sorry Del, I don't feel like playing Tradewars. I don't know how and I just don't like playing against strangers. Thank you for the invitation but I'll just say no."

Then that makes perfect sense, it is not a douche-bag action, not words of a bully, and it is very civilized. But what you did was the compete and total opposite. You did personal attacks, you prejudged him, you ranted and raved for 20+ comments. At first I thought maybe you were afraid of losing, but then it sort of turned into bullying and then when you couldn't fight your own battles you recruited friends/toadies and they jumped in and defended your right to be a bully. "Well he got friends."

Like I said if you don't want to play just drop it. If you want to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what a bully you are, then by all means don't drop it and keep writing comments and personal attacks. I call it as I see it ublockhead, your content of character is not too good.

I think you started a little harsh. by gzt (4.00 / 3) #119Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 12:14:56 AM EST

But, yeah, the reaction your harshness got was a little off. "roffle doffle high school clique" etc etc. if the response had been, "okay, whatevs, here's my diary detailing how to log on to my BBS," my thoughts would have been, "what an eccentric fellow, he's interested in a game I don't care about. well, good for him." now, it's, "friggin' k5er."

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