The second time they tried to escape from Vietnam, she was 2 years old. The boat capsized in a storm, and her father kept her and her 4-year-old brother afloat, with her mother, until they were rescued.

They spent four years in a camp before being given a visa to come to Australia as refugees.

In this interview, we hear about what it’s like to settle as a refugee in Australia, coping with bullies at school, feeling grateful for support from the Australian community, and exploring the question of where you belong.

This interview reinforces my sense of gratitude that Australia has refugees.

Ngan is a powerful force for social good. She has spent most of her adult life supporting others who are in need.