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AX JACE NDIO - JCI PCThttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192264-AX-JACE-NDIO-JCI-PCT&goto=newpost
Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:58:27 GMTI have an old factory packaged Jace with NDIO that I want to rip out of an RTU.... The NDIO controls the RTU and I want to replace this with an FX...I have an old factory packaged Jace with NDIO that I want to rip out of an RTU.... The NDIO controls the RTU and I want to replace this with an FX board.

In workbench 3.6, the NDIO sensors are setup like this and Im curious if these sensors can be reused on an FX board input.

The attached pics the NDIO seems to be setup for a resistance 150 Degrees C at 237 Ohms and -40 Degrees C at 239686.0 Ohms & maybe something manufactured by ACI?

In PCT I can choose a range of different sensors including restistance.. Can the curve just be matched up for OHMs & Temp the same way as NDIO?

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Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:16:50 GMTI'm working at a building that has a water source heat pump loop. The 3 cooling towers on the roof are being replaced with 3 new ones. I was controlling the old towers with a PCG/PCX controllers. These towers were just spray pump on/off and tower fan on/off. Now this "engineer" write a sequence for the new towers without knowing how the old towers were being controlled. He wants a summer/winter mode (Summer = Basin Full, Winter = Basin Empty) which is fine, I don't have a problem programming that. However, it clearly states in the sequence that "BMS does not monitor sump water level" but he wants this Summer/Winter point to change automatically even though the PCG/PCX controllers don't have a way to monitor sump water level. There are a set of contacts on each new tower on the water probe that I was thinking about tying into. This will at least tell me if the water fill valve is open/closed and I can factor in outside air with this point. Does anyone else monitor sump water like this method? In my mind I'm thinking this should work but I'm curious if anyone else switches the summer/winter mode like this.
]]>ControlsIgotwormshttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192261-Cooling-Tower-ControlTrane UC 600 configuration softwarehttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192259-Trane-UC-600-configuration-software&goto=newpost
Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:31:32 GMTDoes anyone know what software is required to configure a trane UC 600 module and touchscreen. I have a customer who didn't buy software and is being ignored by Trane. TIA
]]>ControlsGONFISHNhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192259-Trane-UC-600-configuration-softwareHas Anyone used or seen the KNX protocol in their travels?http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192256-Has-Anyone-used-or-seen-the-KNX-protocol-in-their-travels&goto=newpost
Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:38:12 GMTGood day All,
I was recently directed to review the KNX protocol (www.knx.org), as there seems to be a push in some areas for its use. I did...Good day All,

I was recently directed to review the KNX protocol (www.knx.org), as there seems to be a push in some areas for its use. I did download some tech data, etc and also did some poking around and I could not find anyone I know has experienced it in any of the installations they have been involved in. With that said, I was curious if anyone on here has or is planning to use KNX and could provide some feedback?

I will need to go through the tech data, but the pragmatic part of me somewhat feels that KNX is YAP (Yet Another Protocol). I could be totally wrong and it could be the best thing ever, but having found that absolutely no one I know uses or in some cases even has heard of it makes me wonder how would or could it disrupt the current market place here in North America?

Anyway, I welcome all of your thoughts!

Cheers,

Sam
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Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:06:42 GMTHello,
I have an Air Cooled Chiller and i want to connect this machine to a supervisor PC using Modbus, i know that i need a converter from CCN to...Hello,

I have an Air Cooled Chiller and i want to connect this machine to a supervisor PC using Modbus, i know that i need a converter from CCN to Modbus.

i want to know is that possible, if that's true i want to know what i need exactly (equipements, etc) and i want to know how to access the adresses stocked in the machine so that i can use the data in the machine for the building management.

any kind of help is appreciated

Thank you.
]]>ControlsHichamBenhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192253-connect-to-Carrier-using-modbusOld bms equipment trend Honeywellhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192226-Old-bms-equipment-trend-Honeywell&goto=newpost
Sat, 17 Mar 2018 23:16:28 GMTOld but new equipment, is there a market for it or is it scrapOld but new equipment, is there a market for it or is it scrap
]]>ControlsGooboohttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192226-Old-bms-equipment-trend-HoneywellNiagara 4.3 lost platform credentialshttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192208-Niagara-4-3-lost-platform-credentials&goto=newpost
Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:27:47 GMTDoes anyone know if it is possible to recover or reset platform credentials running on a supervisor station?Does anyone know if it is possible to recover or reset platform credentials running on a supervisor station?
]]>ControlsTechdr13http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192208-Niagara-4-3-lost-platform-credentialsTrane UCMhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192193-Trane-UCM&goto=newpost
Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:41:30 GMTWe have a job where we need to add a VAV to an existing Trane BCU. The VAV is a non Trane VAV. We are replacing the existing controller with a UCM...We have a job where we need to add a VAV to an existing Trane BCU. The VAV is a non Trane VAV. We are replacing the existing controller with a UCM 4.2. Does anyone know if Trane sells the plug with wires for the damper actuator? And if so....a part number.

I rather use the brand new Belimo actuator.

Our local Trane office is being less than useful.
]]>Controlsascjhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192193-Trane-UCMR2 JACEhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192187-R2-JACE&goto=newpost
Fri, 16 Mar 2018 19:36:58 GMTTo begin I am not up on the Tridium/Niagara systems... I do have a great deal of experience with other systems, Trane, Carrier, KMC, ect....
A...To begin I am not up on the Tridium/Niagara systems... I do have a great deal of experience with other systems, Trane, Carrier, KMC, ect....

A customer has a JACE 403 that had been de-energized for several years... (long story), I re-powered the JACE and replaced the battery. I can access the JACE on port 3011 and see all of the files including the floorplans and other graphics. When I attempt to access on port 80 I get nothing, just a timeout. I contacted the original installer and they tell me the JACE is dead, is this true? I feel like they do not want to invest any time in restoring it. I know this is outdated and obsolete technology, but I would at least like to see what is going on with the building until an upgrade is done.

I have read that WorkPlace Pro would be free to download and license after 2015. I have not located an unlicensed copy, would anyone be able to help me out? I did download the software from http://web.smartwaretech.com but it asks to register. I'm not willing to jump thru hoops to pay/register obsolete software that may not do anything for me. I would like to make an attempt to restore it, after all I can't make the situation any worse than it is.

Here is an excerpt from the license.properties I pulled from the JACE:

Any advise or help you can provide is greatly appreciated.
]]>Controlsagrosshttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192187-R2-JACEElectrical Meter Input average over 15 minute periodhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192186-Electrical-Meter-Input-average-over-15-minute-period&goto=newpost
Fri, 16 Mar 2018 19:13:12 GMTA customer of mine would like the average of their electrical meter input in 15 minute increments.
This is an automated Logic System.
Any...A customer of mine would like the average of their electrical meter input in 15 minute increments.

This is an automated Logic System.

Any suggestions on how that could be set up?

Thanks in advance!

N.R.
]]>Controlsnuclear rabbithttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192186-Electrical-Meter-Input-average-over-15-minute-periodWinControl XL+ turns off PChttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192180-WinControl-XL-turns-off-PC&goto=newpost
Fri, 16 Mar 2018 17:48:18 GMTOdd one. When attempting to launch WinControl the PC (Win7 Pro) literally turns off. Card access, video camera system, IE, Paint, etc. all work...Odd one. When attempting to launch WinControl the PC (Win7 Pro) literally turns off. Card access, video camera system, IE, Paint, etc. all work without issue. WinControl worked yesterday afternoon and didn't this morning. Hard disc scan showed no issues. Uninstalled and reinstalled WinControl; that didn't help. Local KMC branch, nice folks, have never heard of this issue. This PC gets updated remotely by their IT department and the owner is checking to see if they can restore the PC to an earlier date. Any ideas?
]]>ControlsDaveCRhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192180-WinControl-XL-turns-off-PCN4 Templates questionhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192165-N4-Templates-question&goto=newpost
Fri, 16 Mar 2018 02:23:16 GMTI'm working with templates for the first time but I am coming across some issues. Is is possible to have the device names and Device IDs auto populate when matching with a template? The controllers have already been configured with names but when I match them with a template I have to set the name. Also if I make changes to the template and then update from the template service it blows out the Device ID and I have to enter it again.

Any insight or ideas?
]]>Controlsdhoythttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192165-N4-Templates-questionprogram / configure Predator controllers 587-256http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192142-program-configure-Predator-controllers-587-256&goto=newpost
Thu, 15 Mar 2018 17:17:38 GMTLooks like I am going to inherit some Siemens Lon Predator controllers under a Jace. I am not familiar with either. One of the Predators seems to...Looks like I am going to inherit some Siemens Lon Predator controllers under a Jace. I am not familiar with either. One of the Predators seems to be locked up, I would like to plug into it and look at the settings / configuration.
Is there a software package required? (source?)
Special cable required?
Are they individually custom programmed or is it select-an-application like TEC's?

Any 'gotchas' I should know about with these things?

Thanks in advance!
]]>ControlsJohnLoves2skihttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192142-program-configure-Predator-controllers-587-256Niagara 4 Alarm Report for previous dayhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192139-Niagara-4-Alarm-Report-for-previous-day&goto=newpost
Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:30:19 GMTHi all!
Hoping for some help. I am trying to come with a BQLGrid to include in a report that will list all alarms that occurred on the previous...Hi all!

Hoping for some help. I am trying to come with a BQLGrid to include in a report that will list all alarms that occurred on the previous day. The idea is to run the report at say 6am and send an email to the techs that shows all alarms that occurred on the previous day.

I have spent 5 or 6 hours so far playing with all kinds of BQL queries, but so far I get nowhere! I tried putting the Alarm DB view in a blank report px file, but the px editor doesn't allow it. The closest I have come is the following:

alarm:|bql:select timestamp,user,alarmData

If I hit the "right arrow" to generate a Collection table this generates the expected table, but this will not run as a grid table, but it does generate a "HTML5BqlGridTable"!!! The error when trying to generate a grid table is that the "Missing scheme name: NULL" I am guessing this is because there is no "from" clause. I have tried everything I can think of as a reasonable from clause and nothing works!

If anybody can help I will be very grateful!

Thanks,
Tim
]]>ControlsVAEngineerhttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192139-Niagara-4-Alarm-Report-for-previous-dayJACE 8000 Visio Drawinghttp://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?2192130-JACE-8000-Visio-Drawing&goto=newpost
Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:07:53 GMTI am trying to locate a Visio template for a JACE 8000. Any help is greatly appreciated.I am trying to locate a Visio template for a JACE 8000. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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