Considering we started off with 6 picks + a wildcard, and they started with 12. (and a Gabbert...lol)

John Schneider-------------------VS---------------------Trent Baalke

I say it’s a W.

LOL.

SLIGHTLY homerish there, but no worries. Not even gonna argue really.

The reason the 49ers got such high marks is very simple...they took a number of players (Hyde, Martin, Borland, Ellington) far lower than the MEDIA had them projected. Seattle did not.

That has absolutely nothing to do with where TEAMS may have had these guys ranked or what the actual talent level is of these players.

BTW....if you are including Blaine Gabbert then you should also include Stevie Johnson. He was traded for a 2015 pick, but through 2 different trades they recovered that pick and Stevie essentially was obtained for a 7th round pick this year.

BTW....if you are including Blaine Gabbert then you should also include Stevie Johnson. He was traded for a 2015 pick, but through 2 different trades they recovered that pick and Stevie essentially was obtained for a 7th round pick this year.

Good point. I did forget about the Stevie Johnson trade for a conditional 4th next year, then the recoup, and it basically = a 7th this year.

Or maybe I was so afraid of the trade that I unconsciously wanted to forget about Stevie... especially, if he somehow becomes the key missing piece to you guys puzzle... eh, Marvin?

But yeah, I'll give an extra star for that ---------------------------------------*Stevie Johnson.

Considering we started off with 6 picks + a wildcard, and they started with 12. (and a Gabbert...lol)

John Schneider-------------------VS---------------------Trent Baalke

I say it’s a W.

I changed my mind. We can only really go by third party rankings because what you say or what I say are irrelevant. What a third party says has no basis really on how the players will turn out, but its all we got to get something resembling an impartial judgement.

I'm using NFL Networks player rankings from each players Draft Profile

Not even counting the extra picks of Hyde, Reaser, or Acker....or acquisition of Stevie Johnson.

So, as I said before, we have no idea how this picks actually turn out. Perhaps Seattle just sees what others don't and this could be the best draft of all time. Who the hell knows.

However, to put these picks side by side right now and at least try to go by a third party opinion and not that of a Seahawk OR a 49er fan.....it becomes disingenuous to say Seattle clearly did better.

BTW....if you are including Blaine Gabbert then you should also include Stevie Johnson. He was traded for a 2015 pick, but through 2 different trades they recovered that pick and Stevie essentially was obtained for a 7th round pick this year.

Good point. I did forget about the Stevie Johnson trade for a conditional 4th next year, then the recoup, and it basically = a 7th this year.

Or maybe I was so afraid of the trade that I unconsciously wanted to forget about Stevie... especially, if he somehow becomes the key missing piece to you guys puzzle... eh, Marvin?

But yeah, I'll give an extra star for that ---------------------------------------*Stevie Johnson.

I am a big fan of Kevin Norwood but you just said that he equals SF's 1st round pick. Seems like your analysis is pretty biased. I wouldn't be surprised if Norwood becomes a solid pro but when you are making those claims, you need to really ask yourself if you are doing it with blue and green shades.

JZ#1 wrote:I am a big fan of Kevin Norwood but you just said that he equals SF's 1st round pick. Seems like your analysis is pretty biased. I wouldn't be surprised if Norwood becomes a solid pro but when you are making those claims, you need to really ask yourself if you are doing it with blue and green shades.

Marvin49 wrote:I changed my mind. We can only really go by third party rankings because what you say or what I say are irrelevant. What a third party says has no basis really on how the players will turn out, but its all we got to get something resembling an impartial judgement.

I'm using NFL Networks player rankings from each players Draft Profile

Not even counting the extra picks of Hyde, Reaser, or Acker....or acquisition of Stevie Johnson.

So, as I said before, we have no idea how this picks actually turn out. Perhaps Seattle just sees what others don't and this could be the best draft of all time. Who the hell knows.

However, to put these picks side by side right now and at least try to go by a third party opinion and not that of a Seahawk OR a 49er fan.....it becomes disingenuous to say Seattle clearly did better.

Did you happen to look at East coaSt suPplemental Network's programming scores? I know they would probably be impartial about yours and ours pickses. Also would like to know who picked the ratings base on NFLnetwork. Not looking for homerism or lack there of, just curious. It would mean something as to content tho.

Marvin49 wrote:I changed my mind. We can only really go by third party rankings because what you say or what I say are irrelevant. What a third party says has no basis really on how the players will turn out, but its all we got to get something resembling an impartial judgement.

I'm using NFL Networks player rankings from each players Draft Profile

Not even counting the extra picks of Hyde, Reaser, or Acker....or acquisition of Stevie Johnson.

So, as I said before, we have no idea how this picks actually turn out. Perhaps Seattle just sees what others don't and this could be the best draft of all time. Who the hell knows.

However, to put these picks side by side right now and at least try to go by a third party opinion and not that of a Seahawk OR a 49er fan.....it becomes disingenuous to say Seattle clearly did better.

Did you happen to look at East coaSt suPplemental Network's programming scores? I know they would probably be impartial about yours and ours pickses. Also would like to know who picked the ratings base on NFLnetwork. Not looking for homerism or lack there of, just curious. It would mean something as to content tho.

To be honest I don't even know who that is. LOL. I just tried to pick something well known. For the sake of argument I just tied doing the same thing using CBS Sports rankings.

Chris Borland was their 2nd ranked ILB (and Shane Skov was 3rd) and projected in the 3rd round.Kevin Pierre-Lois was ranked as their 18th best OLB and projected in the 5th-6th round

Aaron Lynch was ranked 17th best DE and projected 5th-6th roundCassius Marsh was ranked 19th best DE and projected 6th-7th round

Marvin49 wrote:I changed my mind. We can only really go by third party rankings because what you say or what I say are irrelevant. What a third party says has no basis really on how the players will turn out, but its all we got to get something resembling an impartial judgement.

I'm using NFL Networks player rankings from each players Draft Profile

Not even counting the extra picks of Hyde, Reaser, or Acker....or acquisition of Stevie Johnson.

So, as I said before, we have no idea how this picks actually turn out. Perhaps Seattle just sees what others don't and this could be the best draft of all time. Who the hell knows.

However, to put these picks side by side right now and at least try to go by a third party opinion and not that of a Seahawk OR a 49er fan.....it becomes disingenuous to say Seattle clearly did better.

Hi homer

GREEDY PUNK PAUL ALLEN, THIS LOSS IS ON YOU."I don't give a crap WHAT you gotta pay, Kam is worth it and I don't want to lose a shot at another SB cuz you - a freaking BILLIONAIRE, are cheapskating Kam over a freaking $900,000.You cheapskate." SalishHawkFan SEP 13, 2015 1:47 PM

First of all, trying to compare 2014 drafts is just as dumb as grading them. Now, if anyone wants to compare 2011 drafts, have a go at that.

Compare drafting styles? I can do that.Baalke likes to go into drafts with several extra picks. They are his currency. Baalke likes name brand players a bit more than Schneider, not that he won't go for smaller school guys, but he likes heard of names a bit more. Baalke likes to gamble on recently injured players, IMO because if they don't get to practice or play that first year he gets a bonus year tacked onto their deal, all while they watch and learn. Niner fans know to look at arm length for prospects, Ballke loves long arms. Not that Schneider doesn't, no corners with less than 32, but Schneider is more about SPARQ.

Schneider is not afraid to go into a draft low on picks, he can turn 6 into 9 after the draft starts. Schneider is very unlikely to move up and get somebody. Schneider doesn't believe in throw away picks, I think he really values 7th rounders as much as any other pick. Sweezy and Bowie may very well be starting game 1 this year on the right side. both 7th round picks. Malcom Smith, 7th round pick. Do I think Schneider has done more with less than Baalke? Absolutely. So what? Both have stacked their rosters with good players.

So another year of peter measuring with the 9ers. All the Seahawks can do is take care of their own backyard. The OP seems more like wishful thinking but I know any chance to rub it in on the division rivals is time well spent, so have at it.

The truth will not be known until it is close to the end of this year's class rookie contracts.

Marvin49 wrote:I changed my mind. We can only really go by third party rankings because what you say or what I say are irrelevant. What a third party says has no basis really on how the players will turn out, but its all we got to get something resembling an impartial judgement.

I'm using NFL Networks player rankings from each players Draft Profile

Not even counting the extra picks of Hyde, Reaser, or Acker....or acquisition of Stevie Johnson.

So, as I said before, we have no idea how this picks actually turn out. Perhaps Seattle just sees what others don't and this could be the best draft of all time. Who the hell knows.

However, to put these picks side by side right now and at least try to go by a third party opinion and not that of a Seahawk OR a 49er fan.....it becomes disingenuous to say Seattle clearly did better.

Hi homer

LOL. A Seahawks fan ranks most of their picks better than the Niner picks when most media "scouts" say the opposite and I'M the homer.

Scottemojo wrote:First of all, trying to compare 2014 drafts is just as dumb as grading them. Now, if anyone wants to compare 2011 drafts, have a go at that.

Compare drafting styles? I can do that.Baalke likes to go into drafts with several extra picks. They are his currency. Baalke likes name brand players a bit more than Schneider, not that he won't go for smaller school guys, but he likes heard of names a bit more. Baalke likes to gamble on recently injured players, IMO because if they don't get to practice or play that first year he gets a bonus year tacked onto their deal, all while they watch and learn. Niner fans know to look at arm length for prospects, Ballke loves long arms. Not that Schneider doesn't, no corners with less than 32, but Schneider is more about SPARQ.

Schneider is not afraid to go into a draft low on picks, he can turn 6 into 9 after the draft starts. Schneider is very unlikely to move up and get somebody. Schneider doesn't believe in throw away picks, I think he really values 7th rounders as much as any other pick. Sweezy and Bowie may very well be starting game 1 this year on the right side. both 7th round picks. Malcom Smith, 7th round pick. Do I think Schneider has done more with less than Baalke? Absolutely. So what? Both have stacked their rosters with good players.

Agree on most points there....particularly on Baalke and long armed athletes.

Scottemojo wrote:First of all, trying to compare 2014 drafts is just as dumb as grading them. Now, if anyone wants to compare 2011 drafts, have a go at that.

Compare drafting styles? I can do that.Baalke likes to go into drafts with several extra picks. They are his currency. Baalke likes name brand players a bit more than Schneider, not that he won't go for smaller school guys, but he likes heard of names a bit more. Baalke likes to gamble on recently injured players, IMO because if they don't get to practice or play that first year he gets a bonus year tacked onto their deal, all while they watch and learn. Niner fans know to look at arm length for prospects, Ballke loves long arms. Not that Schneider doesn't, no corners with less than 32, but Schneider is more about SPARQ.

Schneider is not afraid to go into a draft low on picks, he can turn 6 into 9 after the draft starts. Schneider is very unlikely to move up and get somebody. Schneider doesn't believe in throw away picks, I think he really values 7th rounders as much as any other pick. Sweezy and Bowie may very well be starting game 1 this year on the right side. both 7th round picks. Malcom Smith, 7th round pick. Do I think Schneider has done more with less than Baalke? Absolutely. So what? Both have stacked their rosters with good players.

Pretty solid right there.

We'd have to take into account the additional future draft picks SF garnered in this draft. Seattle has no additional future picks.

San Fransisco does a solid job of getting quality players. I don't think there is any question Seattle is much better at developing players. The two teams are very dissimilar in how they approach team building. SF definitely goes more by the book, and is simply the best in the business at maximizing trade down returns. This is a component I would love Seattle to emulate.

Conversely, Seattle is the best in the business at taking raw players and turning them into quality players. I'm sure that goes a long way into our reluctance to trade current draft stock for future draft stock. Simply because I'm sure if John could, he'd draft 20 players every year. Day 3 prospects are like a horde of Christmas toys to us.

Seattle's drafts are almost assuredly going to be puzzling. Even to Seattle fans who follow this process for months. San Fransisco's drafts are very much easier to understand from the draftnik perspective. I expect SF is going to continue to vie for division supremacy based on their ability to keep stockpiling quantity of picks in the first through third range -- and taking guys that have quality in the general consensus way.

This draft isn't going to be known until August of 2015. So many of these players are very clearly 'reload' players for guys who can easily be projected to walk in free agency next season. This year really should provide a good barometer for the relative success of the 2013 drafts. This is the year both of our redshirt prospects should show if they are going to make a contribution. In this way, Seattle and SF are similar. Getting talent/value late on guys who are going to be a year away.

Marvin49 wrote:I changed my mind. We can only really go by third party rankings because what you say or what I say are irrelevant. What a third party says has no basis really on how the players will turn out, but its all we got to get something resembling an impartial judgement.

I'm using NFL Networks player rankings from each players Draft Profile

Not even counting the extra picks of Hyde, Reaser, or Acker....or acquisition of Stevie Johnson.

So, as I said before, we have no idea how this picks actually turn out. Perhaps Seattle just sees what others don't and this could be the best draft of all time. Who the hell knows.

However, to put these picks side by side right now and at least try to go by a third party opinion and not that of a Seahawk OR a 49er fan.....it becomes disingenuous to say Seattle clearly did better.

Hi homer

LOL. A Seahawks fan ranks most of their picks better than the Niner picks when most media "scouts" say the opposite and I'M the homer.

Right.

LOL.

LOL.

Homer

LOL.

GREEDY PUNK PAUL ALLEN, THIS LOSS IS ON YOU."I don't give a crap WHAT you gotta pay, Kam is worth it and I don't want to lose a shot at another SB cuz you - a freaking BILLIONAIRE, are cheapskating Kam over a freaking $900,000.You cheapskate." SalishHawkFan SEP 13, 2015 1:47 PM

Scottemojo wrote:First of all, trying to compare 2014 drafts is just as dumb as grading them. Now, if anyone wants to compare 2011 drafts, have a go at that.

Compare drafting styles? I can do that.Baalke likes to go into drafts with several extra picks. They are his currency. Baalke likes name brand players a bit more than Schneider, not that he won't go for smaller school guys, but he likes heard of names a bit more. Baalke likes to gamble on recently injured players, IMO because if they don't get to practice or play that first year he gets a bonus year tacked onto their deal, all while they watch and learn. Niner fans know to look at arm length for prospects, Ballke loves long arms. Not that Schneider doesn't, no corners with less than 32, but Schneider is more about SPARQ.

Schneider is not afraid to go into a draft low on picks, he can turn 6 into 9 after the draft starts. Schneider is very unlikely to move up and get somebody. Schneider doesn't believe in throw away picks, I think he really values 7th rounders as much as any other pick. Sweezy and Bowie may very well be starting game 1 this year on the right side. both 7th round picks. Malcom Smith, 7th round pick. Do I think Schneider has done more with less than Baalke? Absolutely. So what? Both have stacked their rosters with good players.

Pretty solid right there.

We'd have to take into account the additional future draft picks SF garnered in this draft. Seattle has no additional future picks.

San Fransisco does a solid job of getting quality players. I don't think there is any question Seattle is much better at developing players. The two teams are very dissimilar in how they approach team building. SF definitely goes more by the book, and is simply the best in the business at maximizing trade down returns. This is a component I would love Seattle to emulate.

Conversely, Seattle is the best in the business at taking raw players and turning them into quality players. I'm sure that goes a long way into our reluctance to trade current draft stock for future draft stock. Simply because I'm sure if John could, he'd draft 20 players every year. Day 3 prospects are like a horde of Christmas toys to us.

Seattle's drafts are almost assuredly going to be puzzling. Even to Seattle fans who follow this process for months. San Fransisco's drafts are very much easier to understand from the draftnik perspective. I expect SF is going to continue to vie for division supremacy based on their ability to keep stockpiling quantity of picks in the first through third range -- and taking guys that have quality in the general consensus way.

This draft isn't going to be known until August of 2015. So many of these players are very clearly 'reload' players for guys who can easily be projected to walk in free agency next season. This year really should provide a good barometer for the relative success of the 2013 drafts. This is the year both of our redshirt prospects should show if they are going to make a contribution. In this way, Seattle and SF are similar. Getting talent/value late on guys who are going to be a year away.

Both agree and disagree.

BTW...the only future pick they got was a 2015 4th rounder, but it's a wash because that's what they traded for Stevie Johnson. The pick for Stevie also has a chance to become a 3rd, but hasn't been released yet what the conditions are.

I agree with most of what you are saying from a player acquisition perspective, but I disagree with what you are saying from a player development standpoint.

The 49ers don't have any issues with player development. The Seahawks are very, very good at it, but I don't think it's THAT much better.

I think the difference is really two fold...

1) The 49ers have a number of players who have been on the team for awhile...so there is less need to play younger players. When they HAVE had spots to fill with young players, those guys have been really, really good. Bowman wasn't a starter until this coaching staff took over. Neither was Ray McDonald. This staff drafted Aldon Smith, Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid. Many think that those are the only good players they have taken or something. No, those are just the only ones who have cracked the starting lineup because the 49ers have one of the best starting lineups in the NFL. Seattle is kinda now in that same position. Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think a single Seahawk started as a rookie last year. Bad draft? Seahawks version of Niners 2012 draft? No. Superior talent already on the team and few openings for player to earn a spot.

2) The Seahawks are VERY good with player development, but I don't think it starts there. I don't think they can make a superstar out of anyone. They are just very good at seeing specific aspects of particular players games that they think that can make something out of. They see aspects of a players game that other don't. They know what they are looking for and don't really care what others think. Its a great advantage to have a GM who knows so well exactly what his coaches can get out of a particular player and that's what the Seahawks have.

I literally laughed out loud at Rob crapping on Marvin and the other lurking 49er fans with that list of comparisons. One of the funniest posts I've seen on any board in a long time, especially when Marvin followed up with "SO ARROGANT HOW ARROGANT CAN YOU BE."

This made my day.

Colin Kaepernick is a great person, something that the NFL is sorely lacking.

ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.

Smelly McUgly wrote:I literally laughed out loud at Rob crapping on Marvin and the other lurking 49er fans with that list of comparisons. One of the funniest posts I've seen on any board in a long time, especially when Marvin followed up with "SO ARROGANT HOW ARROGANT CAN YOU BE."

Smelly McUgly wrote:I literally laughed out loud at Rob crapping on Marvin and the other lurking 49er fans with that list of comparisons. One of the funniest posts I've seen on any board in a long time, especially when Marvin followed up with "SO ARROGANT HOW ARROGANT CAN YOU BE."

This made my day.

Clearly my point was too complex for you.

No worries.

No, your point was just stupid and incredibly whiny considering that you're a dude that chest-thumps over past Lombardis on Webzone before coming over here to pretend that you're a reasonable and thoughtful human being.

It's funny to see Rob makes a post that winds you up, though I do get that you would be an expert at recognizing obnoxious bragging since you have lots of personal experience with it. The difference is that Rob did it knowing that you would be here post-haste to amuse us by crying about it whereas you do it because you really believe your own garbage.

Colin Kaepernick is a great person, something that the NFL is sorely lacking.

Smelly McUgly wrote:I literally laughed out loud at Rob crapping on Marvin and the other lurking 49er fans with that list of comparisons. One of the funniest posts I've seen on any board in a long time, especially when Marvin followed up with "SO ARROGANT HOW ARROGANT CAN YOU BE."

This made my day.

Clearly my point was too complex for you.

No worries.

No, your point was just stupid and incredibly whiny considering that you're a dude that chest-thumps over past Lombardis on Webzone before coming over here to pretend that you're a reasonable and thoughtful human being.

It's funny to see Rob makes a post that winds you up, though I do get that you would be an expert at recognizing obnoxious bragging since you have lots of personal experience with it. The difference is that Rob did it knowing that you would be here post-haste to amuse us by crying about it whereas you do it because you really believe your own garbage.

1) It didn't wind me up. I thought it was funny. I've said so multiple times but reading comprehension doesn't appear to be your strong suit.

2) Give me 1 example of me chest thumping about past Lombardi's on the 'zone and I'll be impressed. Don't speak about that which you clearly do not know. You are just making sh*t up and arguing what you want to be true. That's called a straw man. Sorry. It's BS.

Anyone who actually reads what I say on the zone would probably agree that while I'm a bit less muted, my opinion isn't any different.

3) Your "quote" of me saying "SO ARROGANT HOW ARROGANT CAN YOU BE" shows that you didn't understand what I was saying. My point was about hypocrisy, not arrogance.

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To be fair.. being "arrogant" about what happened 3 months ago is a touch different than being arrogant over what happened 3 decades ago.

ImTheScientist wrote:This guy is the closest thing to beast mode we will ever see. You got a glimpse of that yesterday. He was instantly my favorite player when they signed him. Give the dude a chance and don't overreact or overthink preseason. Go Hawks. Lacy will rush for 1,100 and 10TDs. Bend the knee.

Oh Marvin. You're so NOT riled up that you felt the need to quote and post responses to multiple people.

I'm not going over into that Webzone sty to find and post your own garbage that you and I know you both wrote. In any case, I'm sure you won't respond to this as you pathologically need to in order to defend yourself/the 49ers/the 49er fan base on a Seahawks message board.

Colin Kaepernick is a great person, something that the NFL is sorely lacking.

Smelly McUgly wrote:Oh Marvin. You're so NOT riled up that you felt the need to quote and post responses to multiple people.

I'm not going over into that Webzone sty to find and post your own garbage that you and I know you both wrote. In any case, I'm sure you won't respond to this as you pathologically need to in order to defend yourself/the 49ers/the 49er fan base on a Seahawks message board.

Wow. Pathetic response.

Multiple responses? Yup...some of which where I was AGREEING with the poster.

Of course you won't go over there to prove your point. There is no proof because I don't do that.

You don't want to go over to the 'zone? Cool. No worries. Just don't talk about what "you and I know you both wrote"...even though that doesn't even make sense. YOU don't even know what I write there. That's pretty clear.

Instead, you'd rather build the straw man to argue against because it's much easier. Sad. What's worse is that you probably don't even know what a straw man argument is. If you did you wouldn't be so blatantly using one.

I'm done with this conversation...unless you can find an example or two of what you speak.

LOL, we all know what a strawman is. Your Critical Thinking 101 class experience isn't impressing anyone. You also know that I'm not going to go to the Zone to dig up the numerous crap-talking posts that you join in on with your ilk, but since everyone here knows that you conduct yourself differently there than you do here, asking me for evidence is like asking me for evidence that the earth circles the sun or that humans need oxygen to live.

Anyway, I've got a comparison: Over here at .Net, most of us stay the hell off of 49er boards except for the guys who love trolling them outright (see Laloosh).

However, the 49er fans at Webzone just can't help coming here to pretend that they have something relevant or important to say because they just need our attention so badly that they can't help it.

Colin Kaepernick is a great person, something that the NFL is sorely lacking.

Smelly McUgly wrote:LOL, we all know what a strawman is. Your Critical Thinking 101 class experience isn't impressing anyone. You also know that I'm not going to go to the Zone to dig up the numerous crap-talking posts that you join in on with your ilk, but since everyone here knows that you conduct yourself differently there than you do here, asking me for evidence is like asking me for evidence that the earth circles the sun or that humans need oxygen to live.

Anyway, I've got a comparison: Over here at .Net, most of us stay the hell off of 49er boards except for the guys who love trolling them outright (see Laloosh).

However, the 49er fans at Webzone just can't help coming here to pretend that they have something relevant or important to say because they just need our attention so badly that they can't help it.

Ok another thread locked, some people don't understand attacks and smack have places and it's not here. Consider yourself both warned and I will give all a vacation Seahawk fan or otherwise going forward.

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