#2 I tried to search/find for Internet to help me find all of the myths from the net/about the net, but it redirected me to a register/log-in page. --Please use the "yellow (IM) envelope" to contact me and please leave the URL intact.

Alot of them come out of the box like this and the option is never changed, If the option is on, I like most of the forum admins turn it off and add a robots.txt to stop Google from prying at parts of the forum it should not be and plus the Russian spambots love searching for find people to send private messages too.

Following the link you supplied»community.discovery.com/eve/foru ··· 91937776I was able to to do a search for "Internet" without being required to register.There is no cookie that is being recognized, can anyone else replicate the search function without being logged in?

Following the link you supplied»community.discovery.com/eve/foru ··· 91937776I was able to to do a search for "Internet" without being required to register.There is no cookie that is being recognized, can anyone else replicate the search function without being logged in?

Ok, please try this.

#1 Go that site.

#2 Click on Find.

#3 Type in the keyword, Internet and press Go

Please tell me if I am lossing my mind OR not: You must register/log-in to search the message board.

Thanks.--Please use the "yellow (IM) envelope" to contact me and please leave the URL intact.

Don't forget that, even if a site is password protected, Google is often given a free waiver on this; this may be true for some other search engines, also. Googling with internet site:mythbusters.com probably would have led you where you wanted to go. Even on sites with a decent search function, I often also use Google, because it finds and presents things in a different way.

I forgot to add that Google usually caches stuff, too, so even if the link they give you is still blocked, the cache can be very informative. And sometimes just clicking on the link via Google (instead of accessing it directly) gives you a free pass, too. I do this all of the time with articles in the Wall Street Journal, and it almost always works.

Case in point: go to a current "pay" article on the front page of the WSJ (or use an external link) and you'll get this, which just gives a couple of paragraphs of teaser:

Google the headline for that article ("Indian Firm in Early Talks to Buy MGM") and you'll get this, which shows you the whole thing. Note the different "mod" parm, but simply tweaking the URL doesn't work; go have to do a Google search:

A year or two ago, when Rupert Murdoch was throwing a hissy fit about how Google and others "steal" from him so he was threatening to block access, it was pointed out that this method still worked and that he was making no apparent attempt to block it. Apparently he was (correctly) afraid to all-out block Google, but I believe he and Google eventually came to some accommodation, where maybe Google pays him a fee for accessing his sites from theirs.

I've had that happen to me in the past as well, and it P*SSES me off......

Even not searching for something on the site, just reading the forums and such.This site is the ONLY one I sign into every time I read. Most of the others, I prefer to remain anonymous unless I want to post. Why should I have to register to READ?--Mom and Crockett...... I miss you both!

My pet peeve is specialized forums where certain trades and professions hang out, and if you as an outsider come in and ask some basic questions, you get hit with "We won't talk to just anybody in here because we spent many years and mucho dollars becoming "professionals", and we don't just share this info for free" - blah blah, blah blah. But then if they ask basic questions about other subjects (computers or whatever), either in their own forums or elsewhere, they expect free and immediate answers to be forthcoming.

Karma's a real b_tch, though, because as cold and unkind as they are to outsiders, they are often even worse to each other. It's always hilarious to watch so-called "professional" discussions devolve into flame wars, with them calling each other "crooked hacks" in various ways and for various reasons - sometimes with a certain amount of restrained civility, but usually not! The more "respectable" the profession the funnier it is, too.

My pet peeve is specialized forums where certain trades and professions hang out, and if you as an outsider come in and ask some basic questions, you get hit with "We won't talk to just anybody in here because we spent many years and mucho dollars becoming "professionals", and we don't just share this info for free" - blah blah, blah blah.

Well, Linux culture can have its own issues, that's true, as I've found to my chagrin. And people really do need to RTFM more, but that's just as true of car owners, etc. as it is of Linux users.

I was specifically referring to the trades (HVAC, electrical, plumbing, etc), who are not only intolerant of outsiders but also can be extremely cruel to each other. Apparently if another tradesman doesn't do things exactly like you do then he's nothing more than a "stupid hack who is going to kill people and needs to have his licensed pulled", and so on. Or the unkindest cut of all - that the other guy is "unprofessional". Sometimes there's a grain of truth to the arguments, but most often it's just a refusal to acknowledge that there is typically more than one legitimate, safe, code-compliant way to do things. No to mention the fact that code changes regularly and always varies a bit from region to region.

Sometimes when I see an outsider being stonewalled, to get things rolling I will jump in with a "I'm not a _____, but ..." answer, which may not be wholly correct but which I consider to be reasonable, and then watch the pros jump in to lambast me and in the process answer the very question they were refusing to answer to begin with. And it's all the more hilarious if they start going after each other's throats in the process. Baiting jerks is fun!

To be fair, there are a few pros out there who will answer questions openly and patiently. These appear to be the exception, though, not the rule.

I was specifically referring to the trades (HVAC, electrical, plumbing, etc), who are not only intolerant of outsiders but also can be extremely cruel to each other. Apparently if another tradesman doesn't do things exactly like you do then he's nothing more than a "stupid hack who is going to kill people and needs to have his licensed pulled", and so on. Or the unkindest cut of all - that the other guy is "unprofessional". Sometimes there's a grain of truth to the arguments, but most often it's just a refusal to acknowledge that there is typically more than one legitimate, safe, code-compliant way to do things. No to mention the fact that code changes regularly and always varies a bit from region to region.

To be fair, there are a few pros out there who will answer questions openly and patiently. These appear to be the exception, though, not the rule.

Sounds like you have been hanging out on hvac-talk.com!

Here is an example of what gets me. I have been a professional auto mechanic for 20+ years. That involves working with electricity, refrigerant, mechanical repair, and more. Places like that think I will blow up the whole neighborhood and kill all the "childrens" by working on my furnace or A/C. I need special training, licenses, on the job training, and more to be as "good" as they are.

These same guys work on their own car brakes all the time and that is just fine. They can slap a $10 pair of brake pads on the car and all is good. Those auto mechanic thieves are all out to rip them off. Anyone can fix a car, after all.

Back to the original topic, it is annoying to have to register to search. I have joined hundreds of websites over the years to find info about something I was doing, or having problems with at the time. That is how I found this site, I was having DSL problems. It was friendly and accessible here so I stayed. Very little of the RFTM type thing here. Over the years I have found way too many sites were so badly run or just a bunch of 14 year olds, so I found what I wanted and left.

Well, I hang out on a lot of sites, bouncing around quite a bit, but you're right - the HVAC folks are probably the worst! Not only I have not been able to find HVAC techs locally who I consider to be both honest and competent (it's hard enough to find one or the other, much less both), but of all the trades these guys seem to be the most willing to tell bald-faced lies directly to your face. Unfortunately I've found that this spills over to automotive A/C work, too.

One of the issues with this particular trade is that they are in fact trying to tighten up their act, so right now you have a bunch of formally-educated but inexperienced "noobs" fighting it out with "old, worn-out hacks" who learned their skills on the job but who do have the benefit of many years of experience in the field. Each group thinks the other is full of it, and watching them battle it out is fun, fun, fun! I find watching physicists (experimental vs. theoretical) go at each other on the internet is fun, too, but sometimes their little dramas can take years to play out.

Back to the Google thing that I mentioned earlier: yesterday I ran into a situation where there was a news article that I wanted to read but the web site was password protected. The Google back-door wouldn't let me in either, but it did point to a half-dozen other sites which had the same article or at least the same details, so it didn't take two seconds for me to actually get to it. Google will also bring up fly-by-night sites which "borrow" liberally from other, more legitimate sites (where the fly-by-night site is just trying to generate ad revenue on the cheap), so overall it's rare for me to not be able to get to the information that I want/need. As a matter of fact, that "borrowing" is probably why the legitimate sites decide to implement passwords to begin with, in order to try and prevent this. It doesn't always work, obviously.

Well, Linux culture can have its own issues, that's true, as I've found to my chagrin. And people really do need to RTFM more,

I mean even if you pose your question in a way that lets them know you just didn't download this thingie that isn't 'doze', they still write you off as a noob. if i can demonstrate i can compile a kernel or tweak source to do what i want, i should at least get help but no, i'm a noob cuz i'm not in their little "clique".--The shortest distance between 2 points adds 1.5 stars to T. want $25? solve »coord.info/GC20A37 for me

Well, Linux culture can have its own issues, that's true, as I've found to my chagrin. And people really do need to RTFM more,

I mean even if you pose your question in a way that lets them know you just didn't download this thingie that isn't 'doze', they still write you off as a noob. if i can demonstrate i can compile a kernel or tweak source to do what i want, i should at least get help but no, i'm a noob cuz i'm not in their little "clique".

Well, if it were me (and it might be me before too long - who knows) I might go and do a little research on something really esoteric and "bleeding edge" that hasn't been implemented in Linux yet, and then go on-line and talk about how I plan to code it and maybe hint around that I might need a little help doing so. And when they realize that they don't have a clue about what I'm proposing to do, I could either dazzle them with brilliance or baffle them with bullsh_t (your choice).

And then you, sir, would be a god among men!

Now, you might be challenged by the clique to go and actually do what it is you're proposing to do, but even then sometimes an "epic fail" can be almost as good as a "win", so just give it a go and see how it turns out!