Yep. I live in spreadsheets at work, figured they could help keep things organized here too.

I'm getting my clubs fitted today and will have him take down all of the important angles. From there, if something is off or feels right, I can change/stick with it.

Also helps to track of rounds, conditions, club inventory, etc. so I know what bets I owe between friends, how I'm playing comparative to other rounds and what I should sell a club for that I haven't used in a while.

Glad to see Im not the only "geek". Im a stat freak to begin with and with an analyst job its hard to shake. I know my stats on my three favorite courses so I know what holes kill me score wise etc.

What the hell is the point of an 'average distance' thread if mid-cappers are posting their "inconsistent but when hit correctly" distances? At least post a % of "hit correctly" for reference.

For the record, I don't think most people read "average" as average. I know I don't. For example, let's say I hit 30 7 irons at the range. 15 of them will go about 170, 1 or 2 of them will go 175-180, and the rest will vary from 160 all the way down to 120 or 130 for the real lovely fatties. My average 7 iron is probably somewhere in the 155-160 range, but that number means nothing to me. With no wind or elevation changes, if I'm looking at 170, I'm pulling 7 iron.

That's what I believe these threads are really about. Not average, but rather "What clubs do you usually use for these distances" or if you have to throw average in there ... "What are your average distances [on solidly struck shots]"

If I listed true averages, I'd probably have 5 and 6 iron averages that were actually lower than 7 or 8 iron averages due to more frequent mishits. I don't think anybody would find that terribly interesting.

EDIT: Just realized you were responding to the guy directly above you, not asking generally. My bad. (Also, for the record, I have the exact same 19* Titleist 910H and when I crank it, the furthest I've ever hit it - no matter the setting - is 230-ish) Just sayin'

That's what I believe these threads are really about. Not average, but rather "What clubs do you usually use for these distances" or if you have to throw average in there ... "What are your average distances [on solidly struck shots]"

I think you have hit upon the real reason most amateurs leave their approaches short. They take a club based on how far they hit it WHEN THEY STRIKE IT SOLIDLY. They will then probably hit a less than perfect shot, and leave the ball short.

In your example 7 iron, if you were hitting to a front flag, half of your shots would miss the green short. So, instead of a chance for a birdie with a putt, you are now struggling to save par with a good chip.

People need to be honest with themselves in their club selection. The first thing they have to realize is that they probably won't pure their approach, and should select the club accordingly.

The amateur can't win. Your guy pulls the 6 iron, nuts it and it goes 20 yards past the hole so instead of putting for birdie he is struggling to save par. The best you can do is pull a club where your miss is probably still playable. For me on a lot of holes it is better to be short than long. There is a lot more playable ground in front of the hole. Now there are just some people that are delusional. They might claim to hit the 6 iron 180 but the reality is more like 150. The 180 shot was a one time thing on a downhill hole with the wind at their back. Even when they hit the ball solidly they are still 20 yards short.

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Originally Posted by Harmonious

I think you have hit upon the real reason most amateurs leave their approaches short. They take a club based on how far they hit it WHEN THEY STRIKE IT SOLIDLY. They will then probably hit a less than perfect shot, and leave the ball short.

In your example 7 iron, if you were hitting to a front flag, half of your shots would miss the green short. So, instead of a chance for a birdie with a putt, you are now struggling to save par with a good chip.

People need to be honest with themselves in their club selection. The first thing they have to realize is that they probably won't pure their approach, and should select the club accordingly.

What the hell is the point of an 'average distance' thread if mid-cappers are posting their "inconsistent but when hit correctly" distances? At least post a % of "hit correctly" for reference.

hahaha sorry if I'm mistaken, because my english is not that good.. but that is my real average distance.. my PW "AVERAGE" is 140meter, 7 iron "AVERAGE" 170meter, 5 iron "AVERAGE" 200meter that for sure but my driver 33.33% goes to left 33.33% goes to right and 33.33% straight average 275meter. currently my driver,wood and hybrids are always my problem :(

I think you have hit upon the real reason most amateurs leave their approaches short. They take a club based on how far they hit it WHEN THEY STRIKE IT SOLIDLY. They will then probably hit a less than perfect shot, and leave the ball short.

In your example 7 iron, if you were hitting to a front flag, half of your shots would miss the green short. So, instead of a chance for a birdie with a putt, you are now struggling to save par with a good chip.

People need to be honest with themselves in their club selection. The first thing they have to realize is that they probably won't pure their approach, and should select the club accordingly.

True, but the nature of being an amateur is that we aren't very consistent, and that leads to ....

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Originally Posted by x129

The amateur can't win. Your guy pulls the 6 iron, nuts it and it goes 20 yards past the hole so instead of putting for birdie he is struggling to save par. The best you can do is pull a club where your miss is probably still playable. For me on a lot of holes it is better to be short than long. There is a lot more playable ground in front of the hole. Now there are just some people that are delusional. They might claim to hit the 6 iron 180 but the reality is more like 150. The 180 shot was a one time thing on a downhill hole with the wind at their back. Even when they hit the ball solidly they are still 20 yards short.

Exactly. It is pretty rare that there is less trouble beyond a green than there is short, so I would much rather play for that solid shot and be short in the fairway/rough, than play for the mishit, and hit it well and be in the rough/hazard long.

That said, I'm taking other things into consideration, so your example (Harmonious) isn't really accurate. If it's 170 to a pin that is on the front of the green, then I will absolutely use the 6 and play for a long miss so I'll still be on the green. (Assuming that is, that its a big enough green that a solidly hit 6 isn't going over)

For the record, I don't think most people read "average" as average. I know I don't. For example, let's say I hit 30 7 irons at the range. 15 of them will go about 170, 1 or 2 of them will go 175-180, and the rest will vary from 160 all the way down to 120 or 130 for the real lovely fatties. My average 7 iron is probably somewhere in the 155-160 range, but that number means nothing to me. With no wind or elevation changes, if I'm looking at 170, I'm pulling 7 iron.

That's what I believe these threads are really about. Not average, but rather "What clubs do you usually use for these distances" or if you have to throw average in there ... "What are your average distances [on solidly struck shots]"

If I listed true averages, I'd probably have 5 and 6 iron averages that were actually lower than 7 or 8 iron averages due to more frequent mishits. I don't think anybody would find that terribly interesting.

Of course you'd pull your 7-iron. What are you supposed to do, pull your 182 yard club which will leave you a 30 foot downhill putt 50% of the time if you're lucky. Or it'll leave you in the trees or fescue about 25% of the time if the pin is past the middle of the green.

I aim ~ 5 paces short of the pin and try not to play a lot of spin. I like the ball to check within a couple feet with no suck back. Misses are long as often as short and the short ones always seem to be playable. We're told to work like crazy on our chipping and putting aren't we? I assumed it was on the off chance we missed the green.

I've previously remarked that this is almost exactly what I hit. I just bought a RBZ 3 wood - now I hit exactly the above, except I hit my 3 wood consistently 220+ (GPS calculated). Never been a believer in hype... but there is it.

@pmm5557: I'm pretty much the same in length as you, and am trying to get a little bit more distance from my driver and woods the last few months. So goofed around with the club pro at the range last week, and was shocked to find out my swingspeed was only 95 mph at best (still hitting 'em straight). Could get over that (maxed at 117), but with a wicked slice. Wicked enough not to be fixed with a stronger left hand grip...