Coyote with 40 people crammed into a minivan gets into a chase with DPS, Paco over estimates his driving abilities and *whmmo!* the Astrovan of Immigration becomes a Pinata of Pain, hurling broken bodies like so many tasty pieces of cheap candy...

If you are eventually able to get it from a large retailer, it is only $15.00 to $16.00 a box of 50. The Savage B.MAGs are at $350 MSRP, but I got mine for $300.00 before the "rush". I have a few others on pre-order as well.

It is affordable and should be a great rimfire/varmint caliber for folks who do not reload!

Eric

"The Desert is My Church and Hunting is My god..." - MeVarminter.com Online Magazine5mmForums.com - Home of the 5mm Rimfire

Originally Posted By Eric_Mayer:If you are eventually able to get it from a large retailer, it is only $15.00 to $16.00 a box of 50. The Savage B.MAGs are at $350 MSRP, but I got mine for $300.00 before the "rush". I have a few others on pre-order as well.

It is affordable and should be a great rimfire/varmint caliber for folks who do not reload!

All I can say is to check with your LGS. The guy I got one of mine from is in PA, but he is out. The ones on Gunbroker are going for a more than I am willing to pay. The ammo on GB is crazy, but that is to be expected with a new round.

Btw, Volquartsen is working on a rifle as well!

Eric

"The Desert is My Church and Hunting is My god..." - MeVarminter.com Online Magazine5mmForums.com - Home of the 5mm Rimfire

Coyote with 40 people crammed into a minivan gets into a chase with DPS, Paco over estimates his driving abilities and *whmmo!* the Astrovan of Immigration becomes a Pinata of Pain, hurling broken bodies like so many tasty pieces of cheap candy...

Originally Posted By Blake:Is the the answer to a question nobody asked?

really? Why is it then anytime that something new is produced, that there is always someone who breaks out this worn out phrase. The very fact that the guns and ammo are selling indicates that for many people that it in fact fills a need of the theirs. A rimfire that combines the best attributes of the 22 mag and 17 hmr, two very popular rounds, why the fuck would anyone want that, thats just tarded.

Seriously, it should make a great varmint or target round. The velocity should put it into the realm of humanly harvesting coyotes, which a 22 mag will do, but a 17 wont. Wow that took 3 fucking seconds to think a couple of reasons for this round. And it will do it for less than low weight varmint 223 and with a lighter set-up. Explore the many horizons of shooting, you just might grow a bit.

"George said "TAX? Fuck that, I THE FUCKING MAN!" Then took a bunch of shots of the whiskey he made himself and shot King George in the goddamned face." -RustedAce

Originally Posted By Blake:Is the the answer to a question nobody asked?

really? Why is it then anytime that something new is produced, that there is always someone who breaks out this worn out phrase. The very fact that the guns and ammo are selling indicates that for many people that it in fact fills a need of the theirs. A rimfire that combines the best attributes of the 22 mag and 17 hmr, two very popular rounds, why the fuck would anyone want that, thats just tarded.

Seriously, it should make a great varmint or target round. The velocity should put it into the realm of humanly harvesting coyotes, which a 22 mag will do, but a 17 wont. Wow that took 3 fucking seconds to think a couple of reasons for this round. And it will do it for less than low weight varmint 223 and with a lighter set-up. Explore the many horizons of shooting, you just might grow a bit.

I am sure hunters in states that only allow rimfire after dark don't think it is worthless.

First off, anyone who thinks of a .22 magnum as a coyote round, doesn't actually shoot many coyotes. I "guess" it's only saving grace is that it's a rimfire...so for those who want to hunt at night, sure, it's an option. Regardless, if it gets you guys excited, then great.

Originally Posted By Blake:Is the the answer to a question nobody asked?

really? Why is it then anytime that something new is produced, that there is always someone who breaks out this worn out phrase. The very fact that the guns and ammo are selling indicates that for many people that it in fact fills a need of the theirs. A rimfire that combines the best attributes of the 22 mag and 17 hmr, two very popular rounds, why the fuck would anyone want that, thats just tarded.

Seriously, it should make a great varmint or target round. The velocity should put it into the realm of humanly harvesting coyotes, which a 22 mag will do, but a 17 wont. Wow that took 3 fucking seconds to think a couple of reasons for this round. And it will do it for less than low weight varmint 223 and with a lighter set-up. Explore the many horizons of shooting, you just might grow a bit.

The fact that people are buying it is not proof of anything other than good marketing.

Why would anyone use a .17 anything to hunt coyotes? If it will do the same thing a 22 mag will do what makes it better other than some graphs and stats that may not mean anything in the real world?

Originally Posted By Blake:Is the the answer to a question nobody asked?

really? Why is it then anytime that something new is produced, that there is always someone who breaks out this worn out phrase. The very fact that the guns and ammo are selling indicates that for many people that it in fact fills a need of the theirs. A rimfire that combines the best attributes of the 22 mag and 17 hmr, two very popular rounds, why the fuck would anyone want that, thats just tarded.

Seriously, it should make a great varmint or target round. The velocity should put it into the realm of humanly harvesting coyotes, which a 22 mag will do, but a 17 wont. Wow that took 3 fucking seconds to think a couple of reasons for this round. And it will do it for less than low weight varmint 223 and with a lighter set-up. Explore the many horizons of shooting, you just might grow a bit.

The fact that people are buying it is not proof of anything other than good marketing.

Why would anyone use a .17 anything to hunt coyotes? If it will do the same thing a 22 mag will do what makes it better other than some graphs and stats that may not mean anything in the real world?

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A round that has better markedly better BC, muzzle velocity and energy retention than 22 mag is somehow good marketing? It should do everything the 22 mag does with the excellent accuracy of the 17 hmr. How is this a bad thing? It should prove plenty capable of taking coyotes, or a myriad of other small game.

"George said "TAX? Fuck that, I THE FUCKING MAN!" Then took a bunch of shots of the whiskey he made himself and shot King George in the goddamned face." -RustedAce

I have killed 100's of coyotes with a .17 Remington. If you want to save fur, the 17 caliber is the way to go. We will see if the 25 grain V-Max offering at 2600 feet per second will be good for coyote sized animals. There are lots of areas in the US that you cannot hunt with centerfires at night or during the deer season (without a tag for the area), so those folks are going to pick these rifles up.

I am going to use this round mainly on Prairie Dogs, California Ground Squirrels and Jack Rabbits. Do I need another rimfire? No. But no one really needs more than a few guns, so that is a silly argument.

The cartridge itself is running about 33,000 pounds of pressure, so it cannot be used in every 17HMR or 22 Magnum rifle with a barrel change. Ironically, this is the same issue the 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum had when it was released. Savage built this B.MAG rifle specifically for this round. They stated to me at SHOT that they will be chambering other calibers in the same gun, so we will see what happens.

Ammo is $14 to $16 a box. I just got some from a major retailer and they were $15.00 a box of #50.

I hope that answers some questions!

Eric

"The Desert is My Church and Hunting is My god..." - MeVarminter.com Online Magazine5mmForums.com - Home of the 5mm Rimfire

Looks great if the following apply:
-you don't want to reload
- want near centerfire power at lower cost than factory centerfire and/or lower hassle than reloaded centerfire
-you want to hunt varmints, but can't use a centerfire for legal reasons

If they can keep prices consistent with .17HMR ammo, it could do well.
For non-reloaders, there's not a lot available in good bullet varmint ammo between $15 per 50 for 17 WSM, and about $40 per 50 for centerfire varmint ammo.

Originally Posted By Eric_Mayer:I have killed 100's of coyotes with a .17 Remington. If you want to save fur, the 17 caliber is the way to go. We will see if the 25 grain V-Max offering at 2600 feet per second will be good for coyote sized animals. There are lots of areas in the US that you cannot hunt with centerfires at night or during the deer season (without a tag for the area), so those folks are going to pick these rifles up.

I am going to use this round mainly on Prairie Dogs, California Ground Squirrels and Jack Rabbits. Do I need another rimfire? No. But no one really needs more than a few guns, so that is a silly argument.

The cartridge itself is running about 33,000 pounds of pressure, so it cannot be used in every 17HMR or 22 Magnum rifle with a barrel change. Ironically, this is the same issue the 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum had when it was released. Savage built this B.MAG rifle specifically for this round. They stated to me at SHOT that they will be chambering other calibers in the same gun, so we will see what happens.

Ammo is $14 to $16 a box. I just got some from a major retailer and they were $15.00 a box of #50.

I hope that answers some questions!

Eric

I was just on the Ruger website, looking at the 77/22 Hornet and wondering if it would be a candidate for the new round. It's a pretty stout action, not sure if it's that strong.

Originally Posted By Blake:First off, anyone who thinks of a .22 magnum as a coyote round, doesn't actually shoot many coyotes. I "guess" it's only saving grace is that it's a rimfire...so for those who want to hunt at night, sure, it's an option. Regardless, if it gets you guys excited, then great.

Nobody has BEEFED- UP the 22mag yet. It will come. Hmmm, 45gr.@ 3000+ BUT it still won't kill the 223 Rem.

Originally Posted By KTMsx:Sorry, I just don't get it. What is the benefit?
What does it do better than .223?

ETA: will it punch through armor? Seems a lit like the 5.7 round....

Around here....the 17 HMR is perfect for prairie dog hunting. The 17 can be fired all day long, and prairie dogs didn't get scared off. (not a loud round)
1 shot from a centerfire rifle, prairie dogs stay in the holes for the rest of the day.

17 HMR until the wind blows, then 1 shot with a 204 Ruger...the day is done.