I'm surprised nobody pointed out that neither Kyurem form shown in that summary screen are holding any items, just look at the Hiragana "mochimono nashi".

Do you know what this means? No Griseous Orb Giratina complex.

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That's great though I just had a strange thought. What if you need Zekrom/Reshiram within your party in order for Kyurem to turn into Black/White Kyurem? The movie and several other sources seem to implied that Kyurem steals power from them to meet it's own goal so it wouldn't be that huge of stretch there.

That's great though I just had a strange thought. What if you need Zekrom/Reshiram within your party in order for Kyurem to turn into Black/White Kyurem? The movie and several other sources seem to implied that Kyurem steals power from them to meet it's own goal so it wouldn't be that huge of stretch there.

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I really don't like basing things off of the anime, but neither Dragon happen to be present in the upcoming movie from the looks of it. And being forced to keep a Pokemon in the party just to access the form is rather...strange.

However the party idea could work, but with a different method--perhaps some sort of an option to have either Reshiram/Zekrom "transfer" energy over to Kyurem and you could feel free to store the Dragon after. Maybe with some sort of a time limit or like Shaymin, getting a certain status condition will revert them back to normal.

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Agreed. They might get a signature move that skips IB/FS charge turn. That would be awesome. And when you use that move it would also protect you.

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Umm... when GameFreak designed these moves, it was obviously with Kyurem in mind. Whether or not they already had decided for making new Kyurem formes, we can only speculate. But anyway: Why the heck would they design the moves with a charge-up turn, if their ONLY user had a way to negate it?

Also, AvatarMew, you "sound" rather asthmatic with those full stops. Reminds me of that guy in Malcolm in the Middle.

New theory concerning the form change of the Genies. Please bear in mind that there is very, very little evidence to support this, but it doesn't openly contradict anything either:

Similar to Sinnoh's Odd Keystone, the Reflecting Mirror, a Key Item, is to be placed at a location (possibly Abundant Shrine). As long as it is in place, the Genies will be transformed to the Beast form. When removed, they will revert. Perhaps the Dream Radar Genies behave the other way round, becoming Genies with the Mirror in place and Beasts otherwise.

Umm... when GameFreak designed these moves, it was obviously with Kyurem in mind. Whether or not they already had decided for making new Kyurem formes, we can only speculate. But anyway: Why the heck would they design the moves with a charge-up turn, if their ONLY user had a way to negate it?

Also, AvatarMew, you "sound" rather asthmatic with those full stops. Reminds me of that guy in Malcolm in the Middle.

New theory concerning the form change of the Genies. Please bear in mind that there is very, very little evidence to support this, but it doesn't openly contradict anything either:

Similar to Sinnoh's Odd Keystone, the Reflecting Mirror, a Key Item, is to be placed at a location (possibly Abundant Shrine). As long as it is in place, the Genies will be transformed to the Beast form. When removed, they will revert. Perhaps the Dream Radar Genies behave the other way round, becoming Genies with the Mirror in place and Beasts otherwise.

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I think the signature move thought is saddening. Those moves would be better without the charge turn. On the other hand, the mirror idea is a bit complicated. Not very representative of Game Freak.

It's possible that IB/FS's charge charge up is a way to make it easy for less experienced players to have an easier time catching Kyurem. A item or Lv100 unlock that removes the charge up could be a "reward" for Kyurem in the same vein as Blue Flare and Bolt Strike were for Reshiram and Zekrom for getting to Lv100; both moves which are clearly superior to the other except for that odd moment when fighting N's Dragon who always using Fusion Flare/Bolt as it's first move, expect you to use you Fusion too (unfortunately, GF's "plan" didn't not go well, many probably use Dragonbreath instead).

In fact, instead of removing the charge up, said hyppothecial "reward/upgrade" should make said charge up an invulnerability period like Shadow Force, just so it's not too broken.

So... from what I can gather from the recent updates, the Kami Trio will have access to their original abilities (Prankster and Sand Force) in both Reincarnation and Sacred Beast formes if they originated in BW1; and, conversely, their Hidden Abilities (the Sacred Beasts' being Regenerator, Volt Absorb, and Intimidate; Reincarnations', Defiant and Sheer Force) if they originated in the Dream Radar (AR Searcher). Awesome! :D

Assuming Sacred Beast Thundurus retains a hefty amount of its Reincarnation Forme's speed, it will almost assuredly go straight to Ubers with that Prankster Nasty Plot and buffed base Sp.Attack. Then again, even with a nerfed speed stat, it would still have Prankster Thunder Wave...

If Sacred Beast Tornadus gets Roost... *passes out momentarily* ...it'll be like a bulkier (I assume) Sableye with that Prankster! :D

While I have hope that IB/FS will somehow be made usable, we have to remember that Game Freak could still wound up trolling us. Without auto charge, Black Kyurem will be hard pressed to take advantage of it's stats. It might not even pick up Icicle Crash, nor Fusion Bolt or even Wild Charge depending on if the Kyurem forms have an upgrading TM list. It's possible that Kyurem might be limited to R/Z's lvl up movesets (Kyurem and WK have been shown using Flamethrower in plenty trailers) minus signature moves, and BK is then only stuck with Thunderbolt, Thunder, and Thunder Fang. It's SpA is likely to still be great though, so it could probably do well as a mixed wallbreaker.

WK would still have Ice Beam, Blizzard (for hail teams), DM, and likely Fire Blast. Assuming it's got some kind of item to boost it's Fire attacks, WK could still enjoy success, especially on Sun teams... but it will still wish that it could abuse that 140 BP Ice attack instead of a 95 BP. Oh, and Attack is probably decent enough to let it Outrage Blissey.

So... from what I can gather from the recent updates, the Kami Trio will have access to their original abilities (Prankster and Sand Force) in both Reincarnation and Sacred Beast formes if they originated in BW1; and, conversely, their Hidden Abilities (the Sacred Beasts' being Regenerator, Volt Absorb, and Intimidate; Reincarnations', Defiant and Sheer Force) if they originated in the Dream Radar (AR Searcher). Awesome! :D

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However, if you transfer the Pokémon from Black & White and use the item, they will transform into Sacred Beast Forme, but with the Sacred Beast Forme Pokémon having the same ability as if they were caught in Dream Radar.

According to Bulbanews and translated from the official website, Kanto starter events will have access to Block and False Swipe, with each starter having a different exclusive move. Squirtle gets Follow Me, Charmander gets Acrobatics (does Charizard have it already?), and Bulbasaur gets Weather Ball. Follow Me Blastoise will be interesting in VGC, while Weather Ball Venusaur will prove to make it even more of a monster than it already is.

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I'm not great at Japanese but the starters have their normal abilities for sure, not their hidden ones. I know that "Fresh Greenery" is the Japanese name for Overgrow. No Chlorophyll Weather Ball for Venusaur.

Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm liking Follow Me Blastoise. The more Follow Me users available, the better. It'll be a shame that it gives up neato moves like Fake Out, Aqua Jet and Muddy Water, but it still gets Scald and Bulldoze I suppose.

"When you change the form of the Tornadus/Thundurus/Landorus captured in the Dream Radar game by using the Reflecting Mirror, the Pokémon will have their Hidden Ability. That's Defiant for Tornadus & Thundurus and Sheer Force for Landorus. However, if you transfer the Pokémon from Black & White and use the item, they will transform into Sacred Beast Forme, but with the Sacred Beast Forme Pokémon having the same ability as if they were caught in Dream Radar."

If it has its DW ability, it has a Hidden Ability flag (0x42 = 01). Regardless of what form it is currently in, that flag ensures it keeps its DW ability.

Without that flag, it is impossible to legitimately have a DW ability.

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Yes you are correct.
It's like Flygon. Flygon has a Hidden Ability but it's Levitate, yet it can still breed Trapinch with their Hidden Ability Sheer Force.
The Beast's normal Ability and Hidden Ability are the same.

I'm not great at Japanese but the starters have their normal abilities for sure, not their hidden ones. I know that "Fresh Greenery" is the Japanese name for Overgrow. No Chlorophyll Weather Ball for Venusaur.