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THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY BIBLE VERSES SHOWING 7 YR PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE

BIBLE VERSES EVIDENCE:

While JESUS was alive, He prayed to His Father: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. John 17:15 (KJV)

JESUS gave signs of what must happen before His Return: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" Matt. 24:29 (KJV)

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." I Thess. 4:16-17 (KJV)

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed." I Corin. 15:52

The "Resurrection" has been erroneously labeled The "Rapture".

9 For God/JESUS hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by JESUS

KJV

JESUS IS COMING SOON!

We are followers of JESUS Only

Seekers of the truth start here by praying

to the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you.

Acts 17:10-12

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.KJV

Luke 21:25-28

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.KJV

THE BIBLE IS THE INERRANT WORD OF YHWH

THE BIBLE IS FREE OF ERROR IN ALL IT'S TEACHINGS AND INSPIRED BY THE WORD OF YHWH

JESUS IS GOD

JESUS is GOD/GOD Son:

JESUS is The WORD

John 14:26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all thingsKJV

Ps 122:6

Psa. 122:6Pray shalom Jerusalem:3389/3384 (to flow as waters): prosper love. 7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces. 8 For my brethren and companions’ sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee. 9 Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.

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PER E MAIL:

Hi Steven.....I had to comment on your April 8 posting that I had to wait until today to enjoy. The interview of the author, Joe Ortiz, by Bruce Collins was absolutely wonderful. I actually listened to that interview twice. His manner of speaking and explaining things was so down-to-earth and easy to understand. The one thing that struck me most was when he said, "Everything we need to know is already there". He was speaking of knowing what the bible says...and not just listening to what other people say it says. Everything is there.

I loved what he said in explanation of Zionism, and who the true children of God really are. Most Christians believe they are the Jews...but what does the bible say? Who was the "first" Jew? I can't find one! Abraham was a Chaldean, and he was never called a "Jew". Nor was Moses a Jew....he was a Hebrew. The first Jew must have had "Jewish" DNA as being a different "race".....but even if you are from the Tribe of Judah, you are not called a Jew.....you are called a Judean.

So, the Jews must either be a person from the Jewish culture, or they must be converts to the religion of Judaism. Neither of these, who call themselves "Jews" are followers of the Son of God, Jesus Christ. In fact, most Jews despise our Lord Jesus Christ. There is much information on this in one of the books they follow...the Talmud. These cannot be "chosen" people. So, what does the bible say? The first man known by "Israel" was Jacob, and the reason his name was changed is because he turned from being a deceiver (Jacob) to a follower of God (Israel). And, in the same way, in the NT, followers of God are called "Israel" and are referred to as "spiritual Jews" because of their circumcision of the heart. Anyone who is not a believer in our Lord Jesus Christ, cannot possibly be "chosen" of God. Joe Ortiz tells more about the Jews and the land of Israel today in his audio message. It is well worth the listen.

Today, I checked out your Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum website. Such a wonderful smorgasbord of information there!!! There was everything from Mike Hoggard, the Groxt, things on Nibiru, John Moore, up-to-date news items....and wonderful articles that touched my spirit.

Sorry, Steven...I tend to go on and on about things I really have a passion for. But, again, thanks for all the wonderful information.....I'll be visiting there often!

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Joe Ortiz is not the final authority. I also know other men of God who have as much or more scholarship who would strongly disagree with his teachings.
I also heard the Rick Wiles program where John Baptist from "Tribulation Now" shredded Joe's reasoning concerning the rapture with scripture. Take a listen.

God is not the author of confusion. I worry for baby christians who see all of the confusion and don't know what to believe and thus become discouraged.

After viewing the JR Church Video let me share a few comments and video links below.

John the Baptist from Revelation Radio I believe is quoted between the 60-77 minute mark to say: “PreWrath Rapture position is the most biblically accurate”
Please correct me if I misquote him. I do not want to bear false witness.

Frank Dimora in the last 10 minutes of this video Frank mentions : “what if the pre tribulation rapture position is wrong: What if we got it wrong?” Frank addresses this question and also admits he still teaches the pre tribulation position:

Kent Hovind after 30 years of studying the bible and preaching pretribulation now has changed his position hear what Kent has to say in this video: If you are short on time please go to the 34 to 38 minute mark to hear Kent Hovind stance on the rapture.

Once you click on the links on the far left hand corner is the word "FILE" click on it and download to your computer hard drive!

Do we have to agree 100% with everyone? My answer: No.

Can we glean from different teachings? My Answer: Yes.

Always pray for discernment and ask God through the HOLY SPIRIT to lead us to all truth!

As with anything discussing the scriptures please pray for the HOLY SPIRIT to lead you to all truth.

Do not throw out the baby with the bath water. Let us all study the scriptures to show ourselves approved.

I pray that this blesses each and everyone of you and draws us closer to our LORD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST!

Maranatha!

God Bless

Steven

Acts 17:10-12Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men. NKJV

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Hey Steven....please go to 5 doves....a couple of days back....and listen to the interview by Bruce Collins with Joe Ortiz and let me know if you agree with any of Joe's assumptions concerning the Jews and modern day Israel.

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Hi Rudylee

Let me ask you again I asked you in a previous post....

Was Abraham a jew?

What does the bible say?

Rudylee did you see my comment in this thread earlier?

here I will condense it for you...please listen to it.

John the Baptist from Revelation Radio I believe is quoted between the 60-77 minute mark to say: “PreWrath Rapture position is the most biblically accurate”
Please correct me if I misquote him. I do not want to bear false witness.

Also here is a comment about Joe Ortiz from Arlene who frequently posts on five doves.

Arlene

PER E MAIL:

Hi Steven.....I had to comment on your April 8 posting that I had to wait until today to enjoy. The interview of the author, Joe Ortiz, by Bruce Collins was absolutely wonderful. I actually listened to that interview twice. His manner of speaking and explaining things was so down-to-earth and easy to understand. The one thing that struck me most was when he said, "Everything we need to know is already there". He was speaking of knowing what the bible says...and not just listening to what other people say it says. Everything is there.

I loved what he said in explanation of Zionism, and who the true children of God really are. Most Christians believe they are the Jews...but what does the bible say? Who was the "first" Jew? I can't find one! Abraham was a Chaldean, and he was never called a "Jew". Nor was Moses a Jew....he was a Hebrew. The first Jew must have had "Jewish" DNA as being a different "race".....but even if you are from the Tribe of Judah, you are not called a Jew.....you are called a Judean.

So, the Jews must either be a person from the Jewish culture, or they must be converts to the religion of Judaism. Neither of these, who call themselves "Jews" are followers of the Son of God, Jesus Christ. In fact, most Jews despise our Lord Jesus Christ. There is much information on this in one of the books they follow...the Talmud. These cannot be "chosen" people. So, what does the bible say? The first man known by "Israel" was Jacob, and the reason his name was changed is because he turned from being a deceiver (Jacob) to a follower of God (Israel). And, in the same way, in the NT, followers of God are called "Israel" and are referred to as "spiritual Jews" because of their circumcision of the heart. Anyone who is not a believer in our Lord Jesus Christ, cannot possibly be "chosen" of God. Joe Ortiz tells more about the Jews and the land of Israel today in his audio message. It is well worth the listen.

Today, I checked out your Rapture Bible Prophecy Forum website. Such a wonderful smorgasbord of information there!!! There was everything from Mike Hoggard, the Groxt, things on Nibiru, John Moore, up-to-date news items....and wonderful articles that touched my spirit.

Sorry, Steven...I tend to go on and on about things I really have a passion for. But, again, thanks for all the wonderful information.....I'll be visiting there often!

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By: Wayne Blank

•Abraham was Eber's descendant. Abraham was a Shemite and a Hebrew, but not an Israelite or a Jew because neither existed yet.

•Isaac was Abraham's son. Isaac was a Shemite and a Hebrew, but not an Israelite or a Jew because neither existed yet.

•Jacob, who God renamed Israel, was Isaac's son. Jacob was a Shemite and a Hebrew, but not a Jew because Jews originated with his son Judah. The first Israelites were the children of Jacob.

•Judah was one of Jacob's twelve sons (see Children of Jacob and The Tribes Of Israel). Judah was a Shemite, a Hebrew, and an Israelite. The first Jews were the children of Judah. The descendants of the other eleven of Jacob's sons were not Jews, but were themselves named accordingly e.g. from Levi came the Levites, from Benjamin came the Benjamites and so on.

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Hi Rudylee,

Thank you!

Abraham was not a jew...:)

God Bless

Steven

Rudylee

By: Wayne Blank

•Abraham was Eber's descendant. Abraham was a Shemite and a Hebrew, but not an Israelite or a Jew because neither existed yet.

•Isaac was Abraham's son. Isaac was a Shemite and a Hebrew, but not an Israelite or a Jew because neither existed yet.

•Jacob, who God renamed Israel, was Isaac's son. Jacob was a Shemite and a Hebrew, but not a Jew because Jews originated with his son Judah. The first Israelites were the children of Jacob.

•Judah was one of Jacob's twelve sons (see Children of Jacob and The Tribes Of Israel). Judah was a Shemite, a Hebrew, and an Israelite. The first Jews were the children of Judah. The descendants of the other eleven of Jacob's sons were not Jews, but were themselves named accordingly e.g. from Levi came the Levites, from Benjamin came the Benjamites and so on.

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Steven….. do you believe with these points made by Joe Ortiz in his interview with Bruce Collins

Joe believes that the promise God made to Abraham about….. I will bless those that bless you and curse those who curse you…. does not apply to the Jews but rather to Abraham and the faith believing remnant, since Abraham was the father of faith.

There is nothing in the Bible about the Jews coming back into the land (Israel) they lost especially when the land was destroyed in 70 A.D…..but the liar satan tells them they have the right…they have the right….

The gathering of all the elect from the four corners of heaven refers to Jesus gathering the believers. (Never mind that the elect refers to Israel)

Joe believes that a war with Iran could possibly destroy Israel

The people landing at Plymouth Rock thought they were the new Israel and America was the new promise land and they thus had the right to conquer all the heathens…… native Americans.

The puritans were Calvinists and John Calvin advocated that “once saved always saved” and that was a twist of the scripture.

In the 1800s, C. I. Scofield revised the original King James Bible and he twisted it around to intimate that certain phrases indicate that whenever Israel was mentioned it referred to the modern day Jews.

John Darby helped Scofield and he was the one who heard about Margaret MacDonald’s who had this vision about the pre tribulation rapture……

70,000,000 Christian Zionists, like John Hagee, have had their minds “messed with” who want Iran to be bombed.

Iran could probably wipe Israel off the map.

The majority of God’s people listen to a lot of this non sense and don’t do any research for themselves……..(I guess he means believing that Israel is Jewish, believing in the pre-trib rapture, etc.)

C. I. Scofield re-wrote the Bible….

Lord Balfour was a friend of biblical revisionists Westcort and Hort and Balfour signed a declaration supporting the creation of the Jewish state and all these conspirators hung around together.

The pre-tribulation rapture is a distortion of the gospel…..and the pre-trib rapture was used by the children of the devil as one of the biggest tools to destroy Christianity and the faith and hope and belief that the people have.

And Steven.....what race were the 6,000,000 people exterminated in Hitler's ovens in WWII?

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Hi Rudylee,

ummm those are a lot of questions.

I believe the BIBLE.

I believe JESUS is God.

I believe that the HOLY SPIRIT can lead us to all truth.

I believe JESUS is the ONLY way to heaven.

I believe there WILL be a rapture.

Anything else is just opinion and does not NEGATE the bible.

So for me to answer all your questions with limited time on my end would do US both an injustice.

I pray my "I believe statements are enough for you"

I will in the future request ANYONE commenting on my posts to read or listen to the post 100% before commenting because I seem to have to explain and defend others comments because people are too quick to comment without viewing the posts THOROUGHLY.....before asking what I think etc....

I have over 480 consistent viewers and posters on my facebook, this site and I also have a homeless ministry and am a fundraiser so my time is very limited to repeatedly explain what the videos, articles etc that are posted say.........people need to watch or read each one thoroughly before sharing their comments or points of view before misquoting or misunderstanding each and every one of the posts on this site or my facebook.......I am willing to answer questions but it takes TWO people to be informed before answering all the questions......

A question have you ever watched the WHOLE 3 videos on the pre wrath rapture of the church?

Have you watch the video in it's entirety of "The Rapture Puzzle Solved Matthew 24?"

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Kinda my point Steven.....you say to listen to the program....well, the question I posed to you was about comments taken from the program in question ....so what's your take....do you or do you not agree with Joe? That's all I am asking.

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Steven....again thank you for your patience and your reply. And thank you for developing and maintaining this forum. I will respect you and your forum though we do not always see eye to eye. Your pre-wrath position vs my pre- trib position does not bother me like the comments made by Joe Ortiz about the Jews, Israel, the rapture, etc. I believe he is way off base, but if he is saved by the blood of Jesus, then we are brothers, and many times even brothers do not always agree. And certainly not husbands and wives......My personal belief is that all of the bride of Christ will be raptured at some point.....pre trib in my opinion, pre wrath in yours, mid trib in the opinion of others.....regardless of our view on the matter and then we will all celebrate. Thanks Steven and keep up the good work.

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Hi Arlene,

I hope you don't mind me grabbing your information and post and placing it here.

I just finished reading a book by Robert Gundry ( The Church and the Tribulation ) and he said the same thing about

C. I. Scolfield. ( occultist and lotus club )

Came up with the pre tribulation notes in his version of the bible...

So, I thought I would post your comments here as well.

( I might post them on a few other threads on this site too! ( they seem to apply )

Thanks

God Bless

Steven

Note: The more I am reading and searching the more I'm finding out about the deception of the pre tribulation theory. ( based on reading and comparing to what the bible really says: my personal opinion and understanding at this time )

C. I Scolfield bible is responsible for a lot of deception and misunderstanding of the bible. ( According to many bible scholars I'm currently finding at this time )

Checkout what the anti necean fathers wrote.

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Today I decided to, rather than argue the point, find the "root" of the problem with Dispensational beliefs. Anyone who wants to know this can easily find it by researching C.I.Scoffield and his part in the history of the Christian church.

And, for those who want to know the truth, it is contained within this link:
(others can live on, deceiving and being deceived)

In summary, fundamentalist Christians today are overtly Zionist and NOT Christian. Christian Zionism offers an uncritical endorsement of the Israeli political right and at the same time shows an inexcusable lack of compassion for the Palestinian tragedy. In doing so it has legitimised their oppression in the name of the Gospel. In practice, they reject the teaching of The Lord Jesus in the New Testament: that each of us is equally precious in the eyes of the Lord. Instead, they live in the Judaised world of the Old Testament, where a mean-spirited Yahweh played favourites with his children, giving only his “chosen” the right to commit unspeakable acts of barbarism upon others. Judeo-Christians will seemingly do anything for Israel and the Jews, whom they worship as God or God's little brother, although they would never admit it. They are only too happy to be the Jews' mind slaves, and insist we all join in their bondage. Certainly their beliefs are anti-Christian. More to the point: Zionist "Christians" are traitors to the cause of Christ. Along with Jews, they urge us to spill the blood of any who stand in the way of Israeli ambition. Essentially, Christian Zionism fails to recognise the deep-seated problems that exist between Palestinians and Israelis; it distorts the Bible and marginalizes the universal imperative of the Christian gospel; it has grave political ramifications and ultimately ignores the sentiments of the overwhelming majority of indigenous Christians. It is a situation that many believe Israel exploits to her advantage, cynically welcoming Christian Zionists as long as they remain docile and compliant with Israeli government policy. “Woe to him who builds a town with bloodshed, who establishes a city by iniquity! Behold, it is not of the Lord of hosts.." (Habakkuk 2:12,13)

THE INCREDIBLE INFLUENCE OF SCOFIELD

It is impossible to overstate the influence of this immoral conman, outright deviant and dishonest trickster, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, on twentieth-century Christian belief. Scofield has served as the primary agent by which Evangelical Christianity has become corrupted - teaching and propagating the doctrine of a Jewish New World Order for over 100 years. In fact, the Scofield Bible is so highly regarded today as THE standard Dispensational reference work in virtually all major Christian ministries and divinity schools worldwide, that even the author’s margin notes are popularly viewed as “holy writ.”

And who was Cyrus Scofield? History records that as a young con-artist in Kansas after the American Civil War, he met up with the notorious John J. Ingalls, an aging Jewish lawyer who had been sent by the "Secret Six" some thirty years before to work the Abolitionist cause. Pulling strings both in Kansas and with his compatriots back east, Ingalls assisted Scofield in gaining admission to the Bar, and procured his appointment as Federal Attorney for Kansas. Ingalls and Scofield became partners in a railroad scam, which led to Cyrus serving time for criminal forgery. While he was in prison, Scofield began studying the philosophy of John Darby, pioneer of the Plymouth Brethren movement and the "any moment now" Rapture doctrine. Upon his release from prison, Scofield deserted his first wife, Leonteen Carry Scofield, and his two daughters Abigail and Helen, and he took as his mistress a young girl from the St. Louis Flower Mission. He later abandoned her for Helen van Ward, whom he eventually married. Following up his Illuminati connections in New York, he settled in at the Lotus Club, which was listed as his residence for the next twenty years. It was here that he presented his ideas for a new Christian Bible concordance, and was taken under the wing of the infamous Samuel Untermeier, who later became chairman of the American Jewish Committee, president of the American League of Jewish Patriots, and chairman of the Non-sectarian Anti-Nazi League. Untermeier introduced the “useful idiot” Scofield to numerous Zionist and socialist big-boys, including Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus, Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff. These were the questionable people who financed Scofield's “research trips” to Oxford and arranged the publication and distribution of his widely read Bible concordance. On the “Scofield Reference Bible,” John Wick Bowman says: "This book represents the most dangerous heresy currently to be found within Christian circles." (Ibid., p.58

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Your choice is to keep this poison in your system or "spit it out" now! True doctrine will be taught and learned during the Tribulation. Maybe this is what the difference is between the "sealed" and the ones not sealed by God in Revelation chapter 7. The "Israel of God" is the Church (believers), contrary to the opinion of Dispensationalists. Nobody today knows if, or not, they are among that grouping. But, we should know soon.

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David J. Smith give's a detailed history of Zionism and how it came from the Occult.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Why are so many of us being so very foolish? And not only foolish, but very childish as well. We are supposed to be MATURE, or being in the process of maturing to what God wants us to be. Just recently a "Christian" wrote that something was offensive to him/her and, because of this, they would never go to that site again.

This is what I would expect to hear in a playground, but not with people who say they are "mature" followers of Jesus Christ.

What does scripture say about this? I Cor.14:20-21..."Brethren, be not CHILDREN in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be MEN. (vs.21) In the law it is written, With men of other tongues (languages from all over the world)and other lips(from other people) will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not HEAR me, saith the Lord."

Jeremiah 5:21 comes to mind. "Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:"

Jeremiah 5:31.."The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end therof?

As MEN (and I include both genders in this term) we are ALL less than perfectly correct, and we never will be until we go through the WHOLE process of JUSTIFICATION (initial salvation), SANCTIFICATION (gradual growth to Christian maturity), and GLORIFICATION (when we finally go from this world to the Kingdom of God). Until then, we are ALL wrong in one way or another.

The only absolute truth comes to us through the Bible through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is the Word (John 1:1), and He, through our Bibles, gives us the truth. Nothing, or nobody, outside of those things can be relied upon for absolute, 100% truth......no denominations, no Pastors, no parents, no friends, etc. What can't be proven by the Bible, is SPECULATION.

What does anyone know about the actual lives of those who tell us what the Bible is supposed to say? We know only what we are told by them, or we know very little at all. With whom do we trust our eternal souls? There is NOBODY on this earth, including those who have died, who have EVER had absolute truth EXCEPT our Lord Jesus Christ.

I think my story is similar to any other Christian who has gone through life and come to Christianity. Why should anyone listen to me? I haven't a clue!! But, I've always liked passing on what I've learned to others...so maybe God has given me the spiritual "gift" of a teacher (I Cor.chapter 12). I don't know this for sure, but I love to study and write about it...or pass it on to others. If I don't, I feel incomplete inside myself.

For the last 70 years, I've been through almost anything a person can go through...pain, joy, suffering, death of loved ones, divorce, loss of children, loss of friends, rejection, elation, success in career, shame, loss of self respect, wealth, loneliness, etc. I've been through ALL of those things. There are only two things that I can think of which I have never suffered through....poverty or hunger. I've always been blessed with a roof over my head and food to eat. God has always been with me, even when I didn't realize or understand it.

As I contemplate my beliefs through life, I have sincerely followed many things other people have taught, and I have done a thorough study on all of them including Theosophy, Buddhism, New Age, and almost all of the different church doctrines. But the doctrine I believed for most of my years as a Christian was "dispensationalism" under the tutelage of Dr. Peter Ruckman. I've read every thing that gentleman wrote...and believed every word, even as "rough and gruff" as he was....I loved him and his way of thinking.

So, today, when I refute "dispensationalism", and any and all of the other church denominational beliefs, which only cause divisiveness amongst the "one body of Christ", I know what I'm talking about. I have learned this by REALLY studying the Bible by myself and UNDERSTANDING what the Holy Spirit was teaching to me. I have FINALLY realized that the "Jews" were not God's "chosen people" because ISRAEL is, and always has been!! Israel is the name God gave to all believers/followers of God, and not just to a specific race of people....all through the Bible.

John 3:16-18..."For God so loved the WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (vs17) For God sent not his Son into the WORLD to condemn the world; but that the WORLD though Him might he saved."

But, it's verse 18 that brings out a major truth..."He that believeth on Him is not condemned (Israel/believers): but he that BELIEVETH NOT (people called "Jews" follow Judaism and hate Jesus Christ)is CONDEMNED already, because he hath NOT believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

The "bottom line" of all this is that NONE of us have the total truth. There are PIECES of the truth coming from multiple sources, and we just have to have the DISCERNMENT to pick out the ones which have a true, biblical basis....and THROW OUT THE REST!

By refusing to listen to ANYONE who does not follow the same doctrine that you do is just the same as "throwing the baby out with the bath water". That's pure ignorance (IGNOREance]!! NOBODY, except Jesus Christ, has ever had perfect knowledge of God and His purposes.

Dr.Peter Ruckman taught me valuable lessons, as did Chuck Missler, I.D.E.Ice, Charles Stanley, Rob Skiba, Steve Quayle, Stan Deyo, Billy Graham, J.R.Church and Gary Stearman, David Pack, M.J.Agee, J. Preston Eby, and Dr. Lorraine Day...plus hundreds of others from whom I have heard or read literature. Do I believe the TOTAL doctrines of ANY OF THEM? Absolutely not! But I have sifted through ALL the information and retained what I felt was the truth in the Bible.

Shouldn't we all do everything we can to learn as much as possible about the truth WITHOUT listening to just ONE MAN? God has put many of His "pieces" in different places, and through different people. The "one body" is made up of many people...and it's up to us to sift out the truth, and not just from ONE denomination or ONE person.

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17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
KJV

Topic: America's future and the Pre Wrath rapture position

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Zechariah 12:3,9:
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Proverbs 16:18..."Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

Not too long ago, on another website, I read the comment, "I am PROUD to be a Christian Zionist." And I thought of Proverbs 16:18 (above).

How great that "fall" and "destruction" will be is beyond my imagination for those who put the present Nation of Israel ABOVE our Lord Jesus Christ. That "nation" did not die for us, nor do they believe, as a people, that Jesus Christ is even our LORD.

Yet, they even APPROVE and APPLAUD sending our young men and women to other lands to DIE for the CAUSE OF ISRAEL.

When did this APOSTASY and DECEPTION begin??? It seems to have it's "roots" in Cyrus I. Scofield and the "Scofield Reference Bible". Someone who is obviously an "antichrist" has written a Bible (which contradict's God's Bible) and has formed a NEW RELIGION.....and many who claim to be "Christians" actually believe it!!!

It is actually, "another gospel"....and those who believe it will be "accursed"...see Galatians 1:8.

I can understand all this because, at one time, I believed it myself. It wrongly gives a Christian a "worldly" focus rather than a "spiritual" one by the leading of the Holy Spirit (Who should be our teacher....not Scofield, nor Hagee, nor Robertson, nor any MAN...see I John 2:27). And if they SEARCHED the truth, they would have found it. I did! But most of them continue to argue but never lift a finger to find the truth.

Ever wonder why so many Christians support America's many wars, especially in the Middle East? A new Christianity has emerged from the Twentieth Century called Christian Zionism or what could be called, "Angry Evangelicalism," or "Dispensationalism on Steroids." What motivates a nationally known, evangelical preacher like John Hagee to call for a preemptive strike against Iran when it is contrary to what Jesus taught and commanded his followers to do? This "Roots of Zionism" presentation may be the first of its kind with a factual explanation of how Christianity's latest apostate epidemic was launched with the publishing of C. I. Scofield's reference Bible in 1909, and the influence of the notes in it. While purposefully reaching and helping many under Christian Zionist influence by featuring its identification and cure, this 2nd edition offers hope to all people, regardless of faith, who may also wish to leave it's grasp

It's time to STOP giving God's glory to the people and nation of Israel. And it's time to see WRONG doctrine and "another gospel" for what it really is.....A LIE! There is still time to learn and repent, but I don't believe we have very much longer.

Arlene

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Zechariah 12:3,9:
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Have you ever been confused about the "rapture" vs what the bible says?

Matthew 13:29-30..."But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. (vs.30) LET BOTH GROW TOGETHER UNTIL THE HARVEST. I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST THE TARES, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."

When I believed in the "pre-trib" rapture (and dispensationalism) for the first 20 years of my Christianity, the verses above confused me terribly. My Pastor was telling me that Jesus would take the "wheat" (Christians) out of the world FIRST, and then the "tares" would be burned.

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY! They say "Gather ye together FIRST the TARES."

Am I the ONLY one who has noticed this? My Pastor (at that time) couldn't explain this. And after quite a while of my asking questions that he couldn't answer, he became quite offended at my asking so many questions. This is probably because he couldn't truthfully, and scripturally, answer them. I became almost as one "shunned" for questioning "authority" behind the pulpit.

I left that church. That is when I began studying the Bible for myself. First, I did research on "which Bible"...and I chose the KJV because Wescott and Hort (nor Scofield) was not involved in my choice. That was one of the most difficult decisions I have ever had to make.....and one I have never regretted because I began learning the truth....slowly and surely.

So, what about that CONFUSION on the "wheat and the tares"?? Wheat first (rapture), or tares first (no rapture)????

We are not left to speculate as to the proper meaning of this parable, for Jesus himself gave the interpretation. The good seed, the wheat, is sown by the Son of man, Jesus Christ. The tares, the children of the wicked one, are sown by the enemy the devil. They are sown in the same field the world where both grow together until the harvest. And when will this be? The harvest is the END OF THE WORLD (Verses 37-39).

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in THE END OF THIS WORLD. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire . . . THEN shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father (verses 40-43). Plainly, the time of separation between those which do iniquity and the righteous is at the END of this age!

Jesus said that BOTH would grow TOGETHER until the END OF THE WORLD and THEN the harvest would occur, producing the great separation. This is the Bible teaching. But the pre-tribulation rapture position, to be consistent, would have to say that BOTH will NOT grow together in the field until the end of the world, for they teach that the wheat portion will be harvested sooner, being separated from the wicked seven years BEFORE the end of the world!!

In other words, instead of teaching that the separation of the wheat and the tares will be at the end of the world, those who hold the secret rapture position say that the wheat will be gathered FIRST, and then seven years later the tares will be rooted out. This is the point that C. I. Scofield attempts to make in his footnote on page 1016 of the Scofield Reference Bible: At the end of this age (v. 40) the tares are set apart for burning, but FIRST the wheat is gathered into the barn. But if anything might be implied as coming first, it would be the judgment upon the wicked, for in the parable portion it said: Gather ye together FIRST the tares? for destruction, but gather the wheat into my barn (Mt. 13:30).

What? The scripture says: First the tares. Scofield says just the OPPOSITE! He says: First the wheat is gathered. Such direct contradiction to what the Bible itself says, ought to be enough to made any Christian suspicious of the system of prophetic interpretation that had been incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Bible! And such twisting of terms to uphold a theory ought to immediately make us to see how weak the teaching of a rapture seven years before the end of the age really is!

We repeat: according to Jesus, the righteous and the wicked will both be in the world until the harvest, the end of the world! And if the great separation is not until the end of the world, the idea of the church being removed from the earth seven years before that time is an impossibility.

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The choice was: Do I believe Jesus Christ or C.I.Scofield? I've made my own decision....what about you?

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Amazingly, The Vast Majority Of "Modern"
Prophecy Books And Teachings Have Their
Foundation Based On The Corrupt Revised
Version Bible (RV of 1885), And Most King
James Bible Believing Christians Aren't Even
Aware Of It!

The worst thing imaginable that could have happened to the "End Time” Laodician Church
age Christian, happened in 1885, when Satan planted "his tares" (R.V), along side “the good
seed”(A.V.)! This new English speaking bible, called the "Revised Version" (R.V.), was
recommended to be the replacement for the Authorized King James Bible by the so called
“textual critics” of that era! Today, because of that “wicked seed”, there are over 450 similar
versions of that book in English; some of which are even more subtle and hidden than the first.
Satan has slyly substituted his word (or “tares” which contain truth and lies in the R.V.) in place
of God's Word (The A.V. is the pure good seed) in a crucial portion of scripture known as
"Daniel's vision of the 70 weeks" (Dan. 9:24-27). There he subtly placed this "perverted text" in
the mind and hands of an early 20th century Christian author named Sir Robert Anderson, who
then wrote the book The Coming Prince, which has long been considered the "standard work" on
the subject of Daniel's 70th Week (Dan. 9:24-27). These same teachings today are still rampantly
taught without hindrance in the Church. Many famous prophetic authors of the 19th and 20th
Centuries referred to this text in their writings.
Now let’s read some comments from some of this century's greatest prophetic authors who
taught the importance of Daniel 9:24-27. Clarence Larkin said, "this vision of the 70 weeks is the
most important revelation in many ways, made in the Scriptures. It is not only an Interpretation
of "prophetic chronology," but it is "the key" that unlocks the scripture of truth. The 1944 classic
book, "The Secrets of Prophecy," states Dan. 9:24-27 is "the mold of prophecy," and it is "the
key" to all subsequent prophetic truth. John Walvoord said Dan. 9:24-27 is "the backbone" of
prophecy! Now do you understand why Satan has attacked this small but very significant portion
of scripture, and thus perverted our end time prophetic teachings we hear today?
In the early 1900's, a famous Christian author named Sir Robert Anderson wrote a book
entitled "The Coming Prince." This book was and still is considered today the "standard work"
on the subject of Daniel's vision of the 70 weeks (Dan. 9:24-27), which is the "back-bone" of
prophecy, and "the key to understanding the prophetic scriptures!" Unfortunately, for this last
generation Christian, Brother Anderson unknowingly turned his back on God by "substituting"
the pure Authorized King James Bible text of Dan. 9:24-27, (read pages 51&52 in The Coming
Prince) with the corrupted text of the Revised Version Bible (R.V. 1885)!!! Believe it or not, this
obscure act of "high treason" has become the "foundation" and "root" of virtually all of our
modern prophetic books and teachings we read and hear today concerning the 7-year tribulation
period (Dan. 9:27 Scripture).
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According to this traditional teaching, a future Roman Antichrist (the "he" in Dan. 9:27) who
makes a 7 year peace covenant with Israel and then breaks it after three and one half years, will
arrive on the world scene after the church is raptured. This tradition derives it’s authority from
the corrupting of God’s Holy Word!
Now compare the corrupted R.V. rendering of Dan 9:27 which "makes" the "he" - the
Antichrist, to the purified A.V. text which declares the "he" to be Jesus Christ:

LIKE COMPARING HEAVEN AND HELL

You see, the A.V. says "and he (Jesus) shall confirm (strengthen) the covenant (referring to
the Abrahamic covenant already mentioned in Dan. 9:4, Gen. 12:1-3 ) with many for one week (7-
years), whereas the R.V. says And "he" (Antichrist) will make a firm covenant (peace) with
many for one week (7-years).
Ask yourself which one did God say, because he didn't say both! Did God say "confirm the
covenant" (A.V.) or "make a firm covenant" (R.V.)? Friend don't be deceived, there's all the
difference in the world between confirming (strengthening) the covenant ("the" existing
Abrahamic covenant - Dan. 9:4, Ge. 17:1-8 ) as apposed to making "a" new covenant of peace
with Israel for 7-years!
Next, notice how the end of verse 27 qualifies the “he” in the R.V. as the same person when
you change the words to "the desolator" instead of the correct reading in the A.V. the desolate!
Let's face it the one who does the desolating is totally opposite from the ones who are desolated,
right? Ask yourself again, which one did really God say, " the desolate " in A.V. or "the
desolator" in the R.V.? Like night is opposite to day, Hitler is opposite the 6 million dead Jews,
and Antichrist is opposite to Christ, they are radically different! Do you see what has happened
here? The “subtle serpent” Satan has really pulled a wool over the eyes of this modern day
Laodician Church by changing our foundation, the word of God (Ps. 11:3)!
After all, that was Satan's subtle plan in 1885 to begin with: to destroy the word of God by
sowing “tares” (R.V.) next to it (Matt 13:25-40)! Then shortly later in Sir Robert's Anderson’s
time, Satan placed the thought in his mind to switch his Bibles; which of course completely
altered the outcome of his standard work: "The Coming Prince"! See for yourself by going online
and reading the 1st. paragraph at: http://www.fbinstitute.com/Anderson/Chapter5.html
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In 1917, Brother C.I. Scofield brought this same interpretation of Dan. 9:27 to America in his
copyrighted notes found on pages 914 and 915 in his 1917 Scofield Reference Edition of the
Bible. By the way, it is interesting to note that Sir Robert and Brother Scofield were close
friends! As time went on, other writers such as Larkin, Ironside, McClain, Pentecost, Green,
Walvoord, etc. wrote prophetic books which "also agreed" with Sir Robert's R.V. interpretation
of Dan. 9:27 and formed the basis of our modern prophetic teachings we hear today!
Unbelievable? Absolutely, but I agree with Paul when he says for us in 1Thess. 5:21 to
"prove all things; hold fast that which is good." Please don't just take this at face value: check
these things out for yourself. Study to show thy self approved unto God, a workman that needeth
not be ashamed... (2Tim. 2:15).
Why don't you right now get a Strong’s Concordance, and see if you can find any verse in the
Bible which reads "seven year tribulation period," or "the tribulation period”. That's right, there's
not one single verse in A.V., is there? On the contrary, Rev. 12:6, Rev. 11:3, Rev. 12:4, Rev.
11:2, Dan. 7:25, and Dan 12: 7 all declare in different terms a future 3-1/2 time of "great
tribulation"; and there's not even one single verse in the A.V. let alone two which backs up a 7-
year tribulation period as "traditionally taught" (Mt. 18:16, 2Cor 13:1).
Let's try another. See if you can find in the Bible any verse that says the antichrist confirms
any kind of covenant anywhere. However, in Romans 15:8 and Gal. 3:17, you will find clear
evidence that Jesus Christ confirms (strengthens) the Abrahamic covenant!
Brother, if the "root" be holy (A.V.) so are the branches (Rom. 11:16)! However, Sir Robert
Anderson switched "roots" on us and used an "un-holy root" or “tare” (the R.V. 1885) as the
foundational scriptures for his book "The Coming Prince," which has produced the un-holy fruit
of incorrect modern prophecy teaching on Daniel's vision of the seventy weeks. This defection
from the truth, in other words, has produced a "false way" (Ps 119:104), pleasing to our
"Laodicean ears," but potentially damaging to our bodies! (Mic. 3, Jer. 6:13-14, Ezek. 13:10-16).
Before we end, let's look at one more thing. Notice in Dan. 9:25 there are 69 weeks-of-years
(483 years) "unto" the Messiah (meaning anointed) the Prince. Jesus was anointed the "Messiah"
at his baptism in Luke 3:21-23; which began his 3-1/2 year public ministry. So "unto" the
Messiah in vs. 25 is 69 weeks! Now in vs. 26 it says "after" the 69 weeks shall Messiah be cutoff
(crucified). Well how long "after" his baptism was it until he was cut-off or crucified? It
naturally was 3-1/2 years or the entire duration of his public ministry; therefore "after" means
"3-1/2 years after," which makes 69-1/2 weeks used up at the crucifixion of Christ, "not" 69
weeks as traditionally taught! This only leaves 1/2 week of 3-1/2 years left to be fulfilled in the
future of Daniel's 70th week “after” the crucifixion! This future 3 ½ year time is the great
tribulation or "time of Jacob's troubles."(Jer 30:7) So NOW where's the 7 year tribulation
period? It can only be found in the perverted R.V. reading of Dan. 9:24-27, that's where!
Finally, brethren, 2 Cor 2:17 states, "For we are not as many which corrupt the word of God:
but of sincerity, but of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ." If we are the generation on
which the ends of the world are come (1 Cor. 10:11), and I believe we are (since 1967), it is
absolutely essential we be found faithful to God's pure word (A.V.), not the serpent’s twisted
word (R.V.), when Jesus returns! After all, he said in Luke 18:8, "...when the Son of man cometh,
shall he find faith on the earth?"
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and twist God's Word in this last century! The serpent has taken away the "key of knowledge":
the good seed, (Luke 11:52) from most Christians today, and substituted “tares”, in the form of
corrupted bibles and perverted end time teachings. Jesus promises us if we will keep (guard from
loss or injury by keeping the eye upon) his word, he will keep (guard from loss or injury by
keeping the eye upon) us from "the hour of temptation" (3-1/2 yr. great tribulation), which shall
come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth (Rev. 3:8-10).
What a wonderful promise, but conditional! We must first keep (guard from loss or injury) his
pure word (seed), the Authorized King James Bible, and then he will do the same for us!
Remember, that word of encouragement was written to the Church. Therefore "...Awake thou
that sleepest,...and Christ shall give thee light" (Eph. 5:14). Be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11,
and search the scriptures to see if these things be so!
He who has been given ears to hear, let him hear.
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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Zechariah 12:3,9:
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I just wanted to thank you Gerlinda for a great post on the 19th and what a great eye opener on the Zionist-Occult connection. I hope and pray no one judges you as anti-Semitic or any other such nonsense....but if they do it's only because they have not sought out the whole truth about the subject. Again, great info for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Agape
Charles Holler Sr.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Zechariah 12:3,9:
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This is without a doubt the very best discussion I have ever seen, on this site or any other. Joe Ortiz is my hero!!! Everything he said on that radio show is the TRUTH!! He is truly a man of God!! He has confirmed all the research that I have been doing for the past several years!! Everything I have been saying in most of my posts are directly related to what he said! I wish I had found this site and this post a long time ago...what a confirmation of what the Holy Spirit has been showing me!!

Joe broke new ground and has inspired me to continue to work in that direction, and help bring some truth to such a corrupted and divided body of Christ. So many evil men with evil schemes have built up these false doctrines over the centuries...it is time that they are revealed and their doctrines thrown out of the Church!! The Church is in danger of becoming the Harlot of Babylon and not the Virgin Church.

It is time we believed what Christ plainly told us in the Holy Bible...the KJV, as most others have been tainted beyond recognition. Satan has been working overtime on this, and it looks like he has succeeded because so few people find out for themselves, and let the world become more important, and the traditions of men, become their focal point, and not our LIVING AND GLORIOUS SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

SO THRILLED TO SEE SOMEONE FINALLY STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH!!

This discussion and thread should be up there with the most important posts for everyone to read, and to listen to and to think about. I whole heartedly BUMP IT, and probably will keep bumping it as long as I can!!

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17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee.

Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
KJV

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Zechariah 12:3,9:
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I took the time to read through all of this thread that covered the topics of:

1. Who is a Jew
2. Who is a Zionist
3. Joe Ortiz
4. And always, the Rapture.

Do you know that I once was very offended with the discussion of "The Jew" who he was and just how important he was in the whole scheme of Prophecy. Yes, I was blind to the term Jew so I did the same kind of arguing as others did regarding the Jews.

Arlene was one of the first to challenge me on that term of who is really a Jew. The videos of David J. Smith really opened my understand and most of all, it was Joe Ortiz and his book, "End Times Passover" that showed me how utterly stupid we Christians have been in our understanding of where that term ever began.

As Arlene explained Abraham was never called a Jew but a Hebrew. His son Isaac continued that terminology and only when his son Jacob had his 12 sons did things begin to change. Jacob wrestled with the Angel of the Lord all night, prevailed and had his name changed to Israel.

Then to make it simple, the 12 tribes that lived in the land given to them were called Israelites. After Solomon's reign and apostasy, God allowed that kingdom to be split. The Northern 10 tribes retained the name of Israel while the 2 Southern Tribe were called Judeans because they included the tribe of Judah, Benjamin and any Levi that attached themselves to them. Jacob's oldest son was Judah.

However, when Mr. Ortiz did his excellent job of showing that Jesus said He didn't come to the Jews but unto the Lost Tribes of Israel did that light bulb really begin to shine for me. Of course! Can't you see it now. If Jesus said He came not but unto the lost Tribes of Israel, who ventured through out the world, it was they who received the gospel and spread it down through the centuries. Yep! I know that will be hard for most churches to accept but it is Biblical fact.

And you know what, the Gentiles who benefited from receiving the Gospel are those that the Bible calls the Grafted In (The Wild Olive Branch) as opposed to the{ Natural Branch}, Israel itself. And you know what else it says in the Bible....they are both part of the Root, whom is Jesus Christ.

So, you see, dear Christians, you should not be offended when the truth is given to you because it all goes back to the beginning of who was the first Hebrew whose grandson Jacob became Israel, whom the Lord came to save and whom the Gentiles became a part of the Root Jesus Christ.

And that....I pray will settle once and for all why there is no separate Gentile ecclesia (as Joe likes to use the term).

We are all of the ecclesia, whether the natural branch or the wild branch.

The Jews, in reality whom Jesus had nothing to do with are the ones that brought the Babylonian teachings back with them, incorporating it into their traditions, which are some pretty nasty stuff. In fact, they are the Edomites, whom are related to the Hebrews but never accepted the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Among them are the Orthodox "Jews" who are the keepers of the texts and whom are given the Sceptre until Shiloh returns. They will have their blinders removed but meanwhile, I encourage natural Israel and Gentile to realize you are one fold with Christ Jesus as your shepherd and you are here until He sends His angels to gather His Elect.

Now, this is a whole lot more than I intended to say but I did need to thank the various people who helped me come to the real truth of who is a "Jew" ad who is not.

First, thank you Arlene.

Second, thank you Steven for posting David J. Smith and for introducing me to Joe Ortiz.

Thirdly, Joe Ortiz, I can't tell you enough of the many truths I have learned from your years of research. It was there all along but only people like you were able to put it into words that made it easy to understand.

Sincerely,
Gerlinda

PS I didn't know anything about Scolfield or his Bible but once I began to do a research on him and his influence by association with the Jesuit and other Jesuit led men, I quickly learned where all the garbage came from that has infiltrated into the churches of today. I pray that men who truly want the truth will do their own research on this unqualified author of a Bible.

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Re: Can the Scolfield bible be trusted? : When is the Rapture?: What does the bible say?

After reading the below message, I had to add it to this Scofield thread. If there is any doubt about this man and all those linked with him, it ought to be wiped out completely now AND that includes the pre-Tribulation Rapture that he and his Jesuit cohorts pushed on an ignorant public. Gerlinda

TRUTH REVEALED – 528 is the Frequency of SATURN/SATAN — NOT OF CHRISTIAN “LOVE”

For Fair Use Discussion and Educational Purposes

This is a very complex and multi-faceted topic. It involves exposing something called “Kabalah” (the CUBE) as well as “Enochian Magic” and the darkest sorcery ever performed on Planet Earth. It involves exposing demonology and inter-dimensional “conjuring” of entities called Nephilim or Jinn. In short, this topic exposes the very antithesis of PURE, UNDEFILED CHRISTIANITY – which simply is the “Edomite-Jew” Sorcerers and their Satanic rituals.

You see, in order for the Sons and Daughters of Cain (or Kane as they are sometimes known, either a female “Mother Goddess” or male “SORCERER”) to punch a hole in this earth’s electromagnetic plane, (aka the ‘veil’, aka ‘the Watchtowers’, aka the ‘enmity’ between the children of Eve and Satan) certain protocols of quantum physics must be followed. The BLACK CUBE (Kabalah) has instructed the literal Children of Satan the world over how the conjuring and controlling of powerful demonic entities (they falsely believe they can actually control these entities) can be accomplished; that by utilizing certain geometrical lines combined with very specific harmonic frequencies of sound – the protective “WATCHTOWERS” can be temporarily disabled, allowing very real and very powerful demonic “fallen angels” to communicate with the sorcerer or the “Mother Goddess” witch.

Stanley Kubrick’s final Hollywood movie, “Eyes Wide Shut” reveals this hidden truth. In the movie, Tom Cruise’s character meets an old friend – a MUSICIAN who tells him of a special gig – where he is paid very well simply to repetitively play a series of special HARMONIC CHORDS during a deeply occult ritual. He does this while blindfolded the entire time. This is the central theme of the entire movie – and a very real secret that possibly cost Kubrick (a Hollywood insider if there ever was one) his very life.

Keep in mind that this ritual is not of modern origin. It has been practiced by the Edomite Satanists since the days of Babylon. It is a multi-generational practice and it involves HUMAN SACRIFICE and the SATANIC “SAC-RA-MENT” the consumption of the SAC-rificed victim’s literal blood and flesh.

The British General, LORD Cornwallis, was an initiate who fully understood this dark and unholy secret. Likely to save face following his “surrender” to Washington, Cornwallis in a last-ditch effort to salvage his ego, divulged the hidden agenda of the Edomite bloodlines by declaring to Washington and his adjutants:

“A holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown.”

Cornwallis went on to explain to his shocked audience what would seem initially to be a self contradiction: “Your churches will be used to teach the Jew’s religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry.”

Lord Cornwallis’ declaration to Washington and his staff as a royal English occult insider was witnessed and recorded by a man named Jonathan Williams, who published a book exposing this event in the year 1781 titled Legions of Satan.

It is clear to this writer that Cornwallis’ predictions have all happened. Cornwallis, as a participant in the Illuminati rituals, knew well that his military defeat was only the beginning of the fulfillment of a global SATANIC PROPHECY that would be universal and that unrest would continue until mind control could be accomplished via a Satan’s EDOMITE religion.

Again, what Cornwallis predicted has come to pass. A brief study of American religious history reveals that the Luciferian, Edomite, “B’nai B’rith scourge of Masonry was systematically infused into every church in America with their veiled Phallic religion. Darby and the Plymouth Brethren brought a Jewish brand of “Christianity” to America. 33rd Degree Masons Rutherford and Russell started Jehovah Witnesses’ corrupt version of Judaism which is now worldwide with their message of the divine “kingdom” replacing the simple, pure Gospel of Christ. 33rd Degree Mason Joseph Smith started Mormon Judaism with its Edomite-Jewish teaching of millennialism. We see Mormon “apostle” Orson Hyde establishing “Zionism” by means of a highly occultic “dedicatory prayer circle” conducted at the very Mount of Olives where Christ walked – dedicating all of Lucifer’s “Holy Melchizedek Priesthood” power and authority to have the Babylonian Seed of Cain control the entire Middle East by means of their Satanic conjuring.

Moreover, at the turn of the twentieth century the “Scofield Bible” with a Babylonian-Jewish interpretation of the prophecies made its appearance. Following the wide use of this “helpful” aid the vast majority of the American “Christian” churches have silently become synagogues.

In the words of blogger Mantuan Bard: “We now have Baptist Jews, Methodist Jews, Church of God Jews, apostate Catholic Jews, and many Protestant Jews throughout America. We are aliens in our own country because of false religion and false teachings. All are praying for divine deliverance into that “Divine Government” which Cornwallis knew to be the British Empire. A false religion has been used to deceive us into allegiance to our enemies of Yorktown and Bunker Hill. No! Not a gun has been fired but the invisible and malignant process of conquering America with the Jew’s religion has gone on unabated. The Union Jack has been planted in our hearts with religious deception. All has happened “legally,” “constitutionally,” “freely” and completely within our most sacred trust — our churches.”

Indeed!

And finally – PLEASE DON’T BE DECEIVED BY LEONARD HOROWITZ AND HIS DECLARATIONS THAT 528 IS THE “GREEN-YELLOW” FREQUENCY OF LOVE. It is not. 528 Hz is the single most powerful “magic window frequency” employed by the biblical “Horites” (where the surname “Horowitz” originated) ancestry to perform black magic sorcery since the days of Cain. Follow the bloodline trail in Genesis and throughout the entire Pentateuch and this becomes readily apparent. This is the progeny of Esau (who is Edom) as recorded in Genesis Chapter 36. The Horites made a strategic alliance with the Demons of antiquity, according to the Holy Bible. They have used Enochian Magic since it was first revealed to Enoch, the SON OF CAIN (Genesis 4:17) in order to consult and direct the demonic entities into this “earth plane” to further their Luciferian agenda. THIS IS THE GRAND SECRET!! The “Horites” have been the scourge of planet earth for thousands of years. The agenda is quite simple, really. It is to capture the heart, mind and souls of all mankind in the Luciferian/Edomite blasphemies.

Don’t be deceived, Christians. Hor-witz of the Horites did not invent the wheel with his “book” on 528 Hz. This DNA-altering frequency (the key to “shape-shifting” and DNA alteration in “shamanism”) has been used by Mother Goddesses and Sorcerers of the Dark Arts since it was first revealed to Enoch the son of Cain. Here is just one example — a “Mother Goddess” taking the Edomite black-sorcery title “Shekinah” (who in the Kaballah invokes the ARCH-DEMON Azazel) shows how the 528 Hz had been historically invoked via the human vocal chords, or “Cantors” (the origins of the word in-cant-ation involves “cantor”). This was practiced in Egypt by the Pharaoh (Pharisee) Annubis – who could walk the earth as either a wolf/jackal, or a man. This is the origins of Native American “Skin-walkers” — called Innupits by the Utes and Piute Tribes (phonetically identical to Annubis oddly enough.)

“Language of Light”? Indeed, but please understand Lucifer is the “Son of the Morning” – the “Illuminated One”. This “528 Hz” is indeed the Language of Lucifer – the green-yellow Serpent-God of antiquity.

And what of “Ascension”? Remember Christ’s teaching that those who “Exalt Themselves” shall be “Abased” or brought down. It is only through HUMILITY and ACCEPTANCE OF CHRIST, can one ever hope to ascend from the pit of Hell. It is not a HUMANISTIC MEDITATION PROCESS – it is a free Gift of Grace from The Father, and Him alone!

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SAN DIEGO PASTOR EXPOSES THE VATICAN CHURCH AND THE PRE TRIBULATION RAPURE LIES

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And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people; And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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