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last I heard if you bought ff14 the first time round you dont have to buy then game again and youll get 3 months free time.

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They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny. Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard. This is a business. They should do what makes the most business sense. If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma. *boggle*

I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed. As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

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its posts like this that make me shake my head. all the info current as of 2 weeks ago can ALL be found on my thread one stop Shop for FFXIV:ARR info on this website. Letter from producer 4 (2 weeks old) dosent mention the game B2P. The game is P2P 10$ a month legacy members 13~15$ for new membership including PS3 users. ( again all this info could be found on my post) When FFXI came out 10 years ago it was 15$ a month for both PC and PS2 I remember the game being packaged with the PS2 HDD. later the Xbox got FFXI and also cost 15$ a month on top of your Xbox online membership. One main reason FFXIV at this time is not on Xbox. unless you can produce a link to where you read this , the info about B2P is false.

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They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny. Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard. This is a business. They should do what makes the most business sense. If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma. *boggle*

I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed. As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

Japanese conduct their life and bussines in a different way that westerners do, what you call ridiculous is the way they aproach life in general and what makes them such an outstanding culture.

-side note: why honestly would people perfer b2p games? I don't get it. Subs feed them money to produce more content on a regular basis. Subs actually matter when it comes to pushing teams to change games around. Subs = (or used to) no game breaking cash shops.

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They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny. Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard. This is a business. They should do what makes the most business sense. If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma. *boggle*

I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed. As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

Japanese conduct their life and bussines in a different way that westerners do, what you call ridiculous is the way they aproach life in general and what makes them such an outstanding culture.

Don't use Japanese culture as a way to spin it. Having honor isn't ridiculous. That P2P is somehow honorable compared to other business models is not only ridiculous but arrogant and insulting. There are also Japanese companies that have F2P games. Are they somehow other than honorable because of that? I stand by my criticism.

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They just comfirmed that they are keeping the sub as a "matter of honor" so b2p is out of the question. They see it as a part of the attempt to salvage FF and SE's reputation.

If that is truly the reason then they have hteir heads so far up their arses it isn't even funny. Choosing a payment model as a "matter of honor" has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard. This is a business. They should do what makes the most business sense. If P2P makes that sense to them then good, but it's not a moral dilemma. *boggle*

I would still like to see a reference one way or the other, or a link to a conversion/interview where this is discussed. As of now it's just forum conjecture (the worst kind ever).

Japanese conduct their life and bussines in a different way that westerners do, what you call ridiculous is the way they aproach life in general and what makes them such an outstanding culture.

Don't use Japanese culture as a way to spin it. Having honor isn't ridiculous. That P2P is somehow honorable compared to other business models is not only ridiculous but arrogant and insulting. There are also Japanese companies that have F2P games. Are they somehow other than honorable because of that? I stand by my criticism.

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Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Don't use Japanese culture as a way to spin it. Having honor isn't ridiculous. That P2P is somehow honorable compared to other business models is not only ridiculous but arrogant and insulting. There are also Japanese companies that have F2P games. Are they somehow other than honorable because of that? I stand by my criticism.

Why get so worked up over something you clearly do not understand?

What do you care? And who are you? I most certainly do understand. Care to elaborate?

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Yoshi said he wants it to be P2P because of a few reasons. 1 being FFXIV was to be P2P (V1) and that has already been set he is saying he keeping it because the people who payed in V1 now have a discount life time with legacy status , they get the 15$ sub fee for 10$. So when you transulate Japanes it dosent mean what we think it means in english. In english we take things as litteral word. In japanese its general and expancive. To sum up point 1 yoshi is honoring his deal to keep it P2P for legacy members anything less would be insulting to them.

Point 2 Yoshi states the reasons for P2P vs B2P. The whole game is fronted by SE and SE only no outside investments all the money to make came from SEs own coffers. SO this means with P2P all the money stayes with SE and that means no outside opinions from investers . It also means that Se can produce better faster content (expansion packs , upgrades , patches , ext) Where B2P adds in outside stores for items to progress meaning that there needs to be a flow of money at all times to pay back investers . You can read the info yourself on the info thread # 12.

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No need to argue, Yoshi and co state in their video dairies that they wish to honor the promise of a AAA FF sub based mmo that was made before FFXIV first launched, even though subs are out of fashion right now, they are more focused on un-doing everything the bad launch of 1.0 did to SE's reputation, and are being systematic. The legacy sub discount also clearly shows they intend subs to remain for years. Those are the facts, lets not argue about Japanese culture and honor.

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Quoting Yoshi-P

“The main reason why we haven’t decided to take the free-to-play option is that, at the game’s original launch, it didn’t live up to expectations and it let down a lot of fans. We lost the trust of fans who had followed us across our 25-year history. We want to regain that trust and to deliver on past promises.

“One of the promises we originally stated was that we would release the game with a subscription model. Players will be able to play it 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days in the year if they paid a subscription fee. So to regain the trust of our players we must of course fulfil this promise. Right now we believe that to be more important than any kind of business decision.

“The other thing is that – depending on what kind of game you have – its hard to say which model is better. Is free-to-play better? Are subscriptions better? It just really depends, and it’s hard to say which one is better.

“The last thing is that our aim is to make an MMO, and a lot of companies do their development for MMOs by getting money from investors. Then the investors want their money back, so if the game doesn’t make enough money or doesn’t have enough users, then what do we do?

“We’d have to pay our investors back, and free-to-play is an option to get that money back to investors quickly. Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn is a product that is independent to Square-Enix. All of the money’s coming from us, so we had more time to put it into what we wanted to do. We’re not in a rush to pay anyone back.”

Facts are Facts and this is how it WILL be deal with it or dont play simple as that

I payed 15$ a month for 8 years with FFXI and quit XIV july 2011 sub fee im ok with it