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10 Dec 2016 2:40:06am

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allot to chew here, leaving one with a dreaded feeling that culture with liberalism as its progressive arm - can only go so far in this - hawk and dove story. it would seem that no matter how much progress is made the rules of the natural order come back to haunt the enlightened world (kill or be killed). the western options are limited to bayesian methods and impotent liberalism there will be no walls or boarders to defend. liberalism will be shut out of the conversation and the social tactitioneers will have nothing to work with- because liberal democracies refuses to take a stand on difficult population and cultural make up -''white guilt'' as Ali Hirsi says- showing us that we can expect to see more Breviks or maybe even a Hitler one day - we need Hitchens back, & liberals need thinkers along the lines of Ataturk Frederick II, Adams Franklin, Washington Jefferson!