Series of dreams

Hello Art? Art? Hi. I don't have a whole lot of time. I was a former employee of Area 51. I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago...and...and...[begins to cry] ... I kinda been running across the country...um...um.... I don't know where to start. What we're thinking of as aliens - they're extra-dimensional beings that an earlier precursor of the space program made contact with. They are not what they claim to be. They have infiltrated a lot of aspects of the military establishment particularily Area 51. The disasters that are coming - the government knows about them - .and there's a lot of safe areas in this world that they could begin moving the population to now, but they are not doing anything about it. They want the major population centers wiped out so that the few that are left will be more easily controlable [breaking down] I started getting - [transmitter fails]

This clip is about all I've heard of Art Bell and Coast to Coast. It can still give me goosebumps, especially because it accords with my own tentative conclusions, but it can't rise much above the caution "For entertainment purposes only." The hyperdimensional hypothesis can be explored by physicists like Michio Kaku and UFOlogists like Jacques Vallee, and the "infiltration of the military establishment" may be considered in a study of the Pentagon's occult pursuits (that "earlier precursor of the space program" sounds like Jack Parsons and friends), but the caller's claim of special knowledge is beyond verification.

I thought of this tonight because I sense we're approaching a time of flowering for great evil. This shouldn't shock us, but it is still going to surprise us by unfolding itself in unexpected ways. Things are accelerating, events are overtaking us, and the goosebumps are giving way to nervous tension. What's different? Then the theory, now the praxis.

There's a thrill of discovery, even of dark discoveries, and a certain joy at exercising critical thought in America's great Forbidden Zone. But now the game changes. They want the major population centers wiped out. The entertainment value of an apocalyptic warning is compromised when it begins to fulfill itself.

On the RI discussion board, GDN01 writes that a good friend with much family in New Orleans said "I'll tell you the worst thing I've heard and I heard it from my mother. She said she heard several blasts - big booms - right before the levees broke. Several blasts and then all the water came pouring in." GDN01 adds that "several people have told him this same thing. This is the story going round from the people who were there."

Outrageous. Inconceivable. But then, so is the conduct of FEMA throughout this crisis. And so is everything about America's rulers and executioners, the Bush family - the Homeland's conspiratocracy.

There is a lengthy and deeply troubling account here of an attempt to deliver goods to a FEMA detainment camp, set up for the lost tribes of New Orleans in rural Oklahoma.

An excerpt, though the entire piece is worth reading, and the photos should be seen:

We then started lugging in our food products. The foods I had purchased were mainly snacks, but my mother - God bless her soul - had gone all out with fresh vegetables, fruits, canned goods, breakfast cereals, rice, and pancake fixings. That's when we got the next message: They will not be able to use the kitchen.

Excuse me? I asked incredulously.

FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...it could cause a riot.

It gets worse.

He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

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A dorm room:

Talk about a surreal moment...troops (unknown if Regular or National Guard) have taken up residency in the Durant First Baptist Church cabin very near the main gate of the camp:

The poster asks:

Do you think I'm overreacting to the idea of being bussed hundreds of miles from what I am familiar with to a place miles from civilization and from which I cannot leave? Or do you think I'm overreacting to the fact that federal agencies are treating people who have done nothing but lose all they ever owned to a natural disaster as if they are criminals waiting to make their next nefarious move?

Maybe he is overreacting. Maybe we're dreaming. Maybe I'm making all this up.

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Anonymous said...

Yeah, real pretty story about that camp in Oklahoma. Jesus ...

While you were writing this good post, I was putting that story up at my own site and feeling sicker by the minute.

What is this, 10 days now? 10 days with no way of knowing if my friends survived, but plenty of evidence that many tens of thousands perished and hundreds of thousands are forever displaced, to use the modern word for ethnic cleansing.

I know there's evil and it's big and it's bad and it's almost everywhere, looming above and just out of shooting distance, but I've never been one for the "these times are especially bad" stuff. Well, I give up. These times are fucking horrible. The worst "natural" disaster in U.S. history is going down right now, and it is so nakedly obvious that at least the catastrophic floods were ON PURPOSE that even the dingbat reporters in the White House seem to be losing their minds over it.

Explosions. Sure, why not? You could tear down that levee with a hundred crazed nutria dropped down on the dirt in the dark of night, but that would take a small amount of care, a small amount of shame. Just blow the thing up, save time ...

Thanks for all the good posts on this. You sound like somebody who knew the town.

you skate on the edge jeff, if you went just a little bit further i'd have to be holding a proverbial pinch of salt whilst i read, weaving in and out of the stories and anecdotes, carefully referencing the rumours and winking at us while you nudge the dark threads,

i feel schizophrenic, simultaneously feeling deep down that 'it' is happening, the events and the speed and the sense that a force is building that seems dark and hungry,and fighting that is all my hope and optimism, all my carefully constructed skepticism of giving these bastards that much organisational credit,

something has exploded and it is all out there to be seen, but i feel like i was blinded in the explosion, stumbling euphoric, terrified

oh yeah,meant to add to that small ripping open of my head the interesting link between the 'operation ophelia' snippet on sorcha faals site today (and yes i know that it is nine parts bullshit to one part truth), and the building in the atlantic of the storm that will come to be known as cyclone ophelia once it gets big enough

It's scary to see it beginning to happen as we've long known it would, Jeff, but yes, also a relief, erasing any last suspicion we might have that we have been 'paranoid' or 'exaggerating' or 'misinterpreting' the true goals of BushCo and the NWO.

In his comment to "The Last Refuge", cenoxo the apologist wrote that the Utah camp wasn't Theresienstadt*.

You know, originally, in the 1930s the German camps were set up as 'detainment' camps, not forced labor or death camps. Some people were even sent to them for awhile and released.

Once you've got people incarcerated in an isolated place where no one gets in without permission from BASE (anyone forgotten what "Al Qaeda" means?)...they can do whatever they want.

I suggest you read about the early years of Nazi power when they were still amateurs at genocide. The people whose relatives were taken from convalescent homes and sanitariums to another 'hospital' in an isolated spot, and then the letters came that their relative, regrettably, had passed away.

Some of the New Orleans evacuees don't even HAVE relatives. If they 'passed away'...with or without the assistance of their 'caretakers'/prison guards...who would know? It's totally credible some of these people might die of infected wounds, dysentery, or aggravation of pre-existing conditions.

WHO WOULD KNOW?

WHO WOULD CARE?

More importantly, WHO IS GOING TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO PUT A STOP TO IT?

At the risk of joining the let's-call-them-what-they-are PRISONERS on the wrong side of the barbed wire? (A PRISONER is someone who is not free to go.)

When I was young, in reading about the Holocaust, I remember a story about a German soldier's wife who accidentally saw something she was not supposed to and ended up on the train to Auschwitz herself.

I think I already wrote on this blog of the nightmare I had some months ago, I was on a train pulling away from one of my oldest friends who was behind barbed wire, holding on and staring after me mutely.

I cannot imagine how people who laughed at others' paranoia and called them tinhatters are going to feel when it is them clawing the wire fence in their new home in America's Gulag.

*I find it interesting that that comparison would occur to cenoxo...unless that's because the comparison is apt, and you know how the NWO types love to tell people right to their face what they're up to smugly knowing that most people won't get the reference.

Which of these quotes, A or B, refers to something that happened in the Third Reich in the 1940s, and which refers to something that is happening in the United States right now?

A.

"Triple-tiered bunk beds were made and every available floor space was used. In August 1942 (camp population not yet at its highest point), the allotted space per person was two square yards - this included per person usage/need for lavatory, kitchen, and storage space. The living/sleeping areas were covered with vermin. These pests included, but certainly were not limited to, rats, fleas, flies, and lice. Norbert Troller wrote about his experiences "Coming back from such surveys [of the housing], our calves were bitten and full of fleas that we could only remove with kerosene." The housing was separated by sex. Women and children under twelve were separated from the men and the boys over age twelve. Food was also a problem. In the beginning there weren't even enough cauldrons to cook food for all of the inhabitants. In May 1942, rationing with differential treatment to different segments of society was established. Ghetto inhabitants who worked at hard labor received the most food while the elderly received the least. The food scarcity affected the elderly the most. Lack of nourishment, lack of medicines, and general susceptibility to illness made their fatality rate extremely high. "

B.

" We lugged the bags of clothes back to the car. We then turned to bringing in our personal hygiene products. That's when we learned our cabin had been designated a "male only" cabin. Approximately 40 men, ranging from age 13 on up would be housed there. We started resacking the female products and sorted out everything that would be useful for men.

We lugged the bags of female products back to the car. We asked if they knew of a cabin that had been designated for women. The "host" (the hosts are Oklahoma civilians who have been employeed??? by FEMA to reside at each cabin and have already gone through at least one "orientation" meeting conducted by FEMA at "BASE" which is some unknown but repetitively referred location within the camp) told us he believed McAlester cabin was dedicated to females. He then explained there were male, female and family cabins designated.

We then started lugging in our food products. The foods I had purchased were mainly snacks, but my mother - God bless her soul - had gone all out with fresh vegetables, fruits, canned goods, breakfast cereals, rice, and pancake fixings. That's when we got the next message: They will not be able to use the kitchen.

Excuse me? I asked incredulously.

FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...

it could cause a riot.

It gets worse.

He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."

My mother then asked if the churches would be allowed to come to their cabin and conduct services if the occupants wanted to attend. The response was "No ma'am. You don't understand. Your church no longer owns this building. This building is now owned by FEMA and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. They have it for the next 5 months." This scares my mother who asks "Do you mean they have leased it?" The man replies, "Yes, ma'am...lock, stock and barrel. They have taken over everything that pertains to this facility for the next 5 months."

That's right, the answer is A is Nazi Germany, B is Bushite Fascist America.

If I'd stripped out the obvious identifiers, would you have been able to tell?

Regarding the alleged levee explosions (why are these sources always an unidentified friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend), couldn't these also have been the sound of the levee breaking up?

This possibility is not so outrageous or inconceivable as "They want the major population centers wiped out so that the few that are left will be more easily controlable..." The world economy runs on money: why would "they" want to get rid of all us compliant consumers?

First impressions about the FEMA "detainment camp" in Oklahoma:

• Before spinning off into the speculative universe, why not confirm these deeply troubling conditions with the owners and administrators of the youth camp?

The Falls Creek Youth Camp web site is here, and you can contact the youth ministry leaders here. Give them a call and find out what's really going on.

• It may secluded (not unusual for a church camp), but the storyteller had no trouble getting there and taking lots of photos along the way.

• Why would it be unusual to see Oklahoma police on the roads leading up to the camp? Those photos look pretty furtive, though.

• Did anyone stop them from conspicuously taking all those photos outside and inside the camp?

• 5000 evacuees—perhaps some of them not in perfect health—are going to be living together for at least five months. Just like the kids that normally visit, the evacuees will have legitimate housekeeping rules about cooking, food storage, garbage, and general sanitation.

I seriously doubt if visiting kids can bring in their own food and cook it. Imagine the uncontrolled mess and eventual health hazards (remember the NO SuperDome?) with evacuees and there families trying to cook and clean up, not to mention the fire hazard.

• People all across the U.S. have been donating clothes to the national relief effort. The amphitheater was full of clothes: maybe the camp has all they can handle.

• The "commandeering" people in blue suits: maybe they really are EMTs and paramedics (from all those ambulances).

• Registration and ID cards: how would you know who's an evacuee and who isn't? Did everyone manage to bring personal ID with them? And their children?

• Police, National Guard troops, military trucks, Oklahoma state vehicles, fire trucks, ambulances: why wouldn't you expect to find these at a disaster relief center? Isn't the government supposed to be using all the resources thay have?

• "Now I'm starting to understand why it doesn't matter that this location is not conducive to starting a new life. " For five months? It's a temporary evacuee camp.

Are you overreacting? Definitely.

Are you making it all up? I hope not, because RI has some interesting things to say. However, the fact checking around here needs a tuneup, badly.

"NSSM 200 was the definitive interagency study of world population growth and its implications for United States global security, requested by President Nixon in 1974. The study was undertaken by the National Security Council, the CIA, the Defense, Agriculture and State Departments, and the Agency for International Development. Among its conclusions: "World population growth is widely recognized within the Government as a current danger of the highest magnitude calling for urgent measures.... There is a major risk of severe damage [from continued rapid population growth] to world economic, political, and ecological systems and, as these systems begin to fail, to our humanitarian values."

I take the presence of cenoxo as a kind of homage to the popularity of RI. He looks so much like a paid government spinmeister, it hurts.

Now about the alleged explosions near the levees, it makes really perfect sense. It could be the last piece of the puzzle, even if it's obviously very difficult to prove. This would be the same scenario as for the WTC : a big, flashy catastrophe, and then a tiny little bit of explosives to finish the job.

I'm thinking about Iran and WMD attacks too. Could Ruppert have been right ? Everybody thought of false flag attacks and bombing campaigns, and then the NO catastrophe. Which looks more and more like it was made to happen. I agree with Jeff, there's evil ahead, and sometimes I'm just glad I don't live in the US of A...

I see your great nation, which once I knew so well, with a healthy growing body but with maggots worming their way into the brain. I see the one remaining superpower in which democracy is safe because the people are sovereign, but those who interpret and apply the law say otherwise. I see a new world order. Not Jorg Haider who, though nasty, is more diversion than threat. But a British Reich that will last a thousand years.to Janet Reno 29 May 2000

Last year you had German Guy going on about an attack on Dec26. I always felt there was some credibility about him - the way he talked and so on - and he got me (and others) pretty worried about Dec26. Well Dec26 came and brought the tsunami and destruction. I found this coincidence surprising and it has always bothered me.

Then there are reports of plans for a nuclear Cheney-Fest for the end of August. Again there's something credible about it: too many sources from the military talking about the plans to nuke Iran on the back of an attack. And as we know if you want to do this stuff August is a great month to start - as history shows. So once again I was on alert seeing if something was going to happen. And it did.

When I looked at the damage to the levees I realised how a small bomb could drown half a city and prayed that this is not what happened. But now, dear God, I think that may have been exactly what happened. It would have been very simple to do so with little chance of evidence or being caught.

I think the internet outcry about the nuclear drills actually forestalled that disaster though.

America has clearly been hijacked by evil and twisted lunatics and only force will get rid of them. There can be no other conclusion from all the recent activities. It's exactly what happens thru history when rogue groups steal government. It may even lead to American civil war of some kind, it's that serious. Millions of black people, millions of poor people will not forget.

About the explosions: I haven't been as diligent as I should be about following the news, and this may already be well-covered, but I did hear a caller on the Ed Shultz show the other day talking about the explosions. She lived I think she said in the 9th Ward and her house had been spared the worst of the flooding because of a planned levee explosion. She explained that engineers had had a plan in place for a long time that, in case of horrific flooding, they would blast selected sections of this particular levee, which would guide the flood waters away from homes. I took it to be similar to how firefighters will actually set fires when a forest is ablaze in order to steal the bigger fire's oxygen.

The problem with the plan, as the woman explained it, was that it funneled the waters away from the wealthier section--hers--and TOWARD the poorer section. There may be nothing more nefarious behind the explosions than a lack of foresight, but I have to think that even if that's all it was, it's obvious where the planners' sympathies lay. If nothing else, it's clear that those in power didn't care in the least that those in poverty would be most horribly affected by a flood.

I visited NO a couple of times about ten years ago to attend the annual Jazz festival. Sure, the festival was fun, the food was great, the French Quarter was a trip. But what impressed me most was the extreme poverty of huge swaths of the city. I mean, there were houses so flimsy you could literally see through the siding. It was 7,000 degrees in the shade, even though it wasn't even summer yet, and these poor, poor people had air conditioning all right--if you count air flow through their walls as air conditioning. These people were so poor they couldn't even afford the ratty old sofa on the porch you see in more affluent communities. I was stunned that this was happening in America.

I also have had the pleasure of visiting Chicago a number of times, lucky enough to stay at a friend's parents' Gold Coast high rise one time, lucky enough to stay at a hotel near the zoo and aquarium another time.

During one visit, we literally took a wrong turn on our way to a specific destination, and we ended up driving through miles of urban poverty like I'd never seen. These were the projects, I guess, like the infamous Cabrini Green (not sure how to spell it). Giant towers of concrete, broken glass, and plywood overshadowed everything. Maybe I was reading into their faces my own horror, but it did seem to me that everyone walking through these neighborhoods looked grim and desperate. I didn't see kids laughing and playing stickball, for instance; I saw kids sitting around on pitted concrete benches just looking at each other. This is America? This is the most prosperous country in the world?

I live in Columbus, Ohio, where, yes, there's poverty, but it's not as dire as what I saw in NO and Chicago--as well as what I've seen in Cleveland, which has mile after mile of a kind of economic brownfield, and of course New York. I actually lived for a time in the poorer parts of Columbus. For that matter, I lived in poverty stricken areas in Abilene, Texas and Albuquerque, New Mexico, too, being poverty stricken myself. Yeah, that's poor, but not poor like NO and Chicago and Cleveland and NYC, and I can't really explain what I mean.

One thing, though, that each pocket of economic devistation has in common: race. Yeah, there are poor white people--I was a poor white person from a long line of poor white people--but when you see mile after mile after mile of poor Black people or poor Latino people, you can see hundreds of years of American economic and political policy branded into lives and landscapes.

Does FEMA need concentration camps when these "neighborhoods" do the job so well? Is it really necessary to go to the trouble of setting up a new kind of holocaust machinery when it's already in place? Do they have to bother with ethnic cleansing when all they have to do is to force policies down American throats that act more subtly to do the same over longer periods?

What scares me is that the answer to these questions may be "yes." Whether it's a ghost story around a campfire I'm telling myself or whether it's the God-awful truth, I don't yet know. I try to remain calm. I try to ignore what seems to be reality because, after all, I'm probably wrong--right? right?

I can't be the only one who wonders how, if I'd lived then, I'd know when to leave pre-Nazi Germany. What was the big tip-off that things were utterly and irreversably going down the tubes? And would I, if I lived then, say to myself, "this *can't* be happening in my country, so it is *not* happening in my country."

cenoxo,Tell your bosses the 'Hearts and Minds' spin and divert mission is a failure. People are awakening and moreover staying that way, the more you turn up like a pestiferous fly. The more of masses that are won over, not by your "Hannity & Combs" prattling but by the REAL. The enforced torment, suffering and containment of real, live individuals are paraded before our eyes every hour of every day.

Your efforts are unable to shake anyone's resolve. Your master's will have to send another more sophisticated operative, you are now ineffectual and obsolete. Maybe you can be a greeter at one of the new Amerikan concentration camps, or follow your pathetic nature and apply for the position of camp snitch. We owe you nothing in explanations and are certainly not answerable to the likes of you. People are openly mocking you and your voice is fading fast into the background din.

Jeff, Cassandra, and the sincere and critical contributions of others here at RI, are garnering success and the attention of many. Apparently so much so that an intelligence apparatus has deemed it necessary to place an amatuerish asset(s).

You condescendingly urge us to follow up on your traipses into Soma-land, yet fail to complete any personal investigation yourself. Again, none of us owe you or your blue-pill ilk anything. There are many forms of transportation leaving most timely for Louisiana, and you are welcome at any time to get on one and be captivated by sheer hell. Just don't linger or you may find yourself on a military transport to a Utah MK/death camp.

You are a most excellent writer. I don't feel so alone in my outrage and fury as when I visit your site and read the real version of the news. I feel you, your other readers, and myself are all on the same page. What still bothers me though is that so many people are still blind to what is so obvious to us. People still believe that the Govt. cares and that the media is true and that the only story here is how a natural disaster ocurred.

Since this "accident" of nature happened I've been awaiting the other shoe -- you know the Bush-laden act of terrorism to cause a distraction so that our eyes are diverted long enough for them to move the Queen.

Bye the way, Katrina reminds me of the infamous John Titor. When he predicted that by 2005 civil war would break out in the USA, in the form of multiple Waco-type events, many laughed at the mere suggestion. That was in 2000.

Guess some of those people don't laugh anymore. With shoot-outs in New-Orleans, massive military actions, forced relocation of thousands of refugees, civil war appears not too far-fetched a possibility now, eh ?

Can someone explain to me why our submarines were heavily damaged during the tsunami and then during the Katrina hurricane?

I don’t buy the excuses that the first one hit an unmapped underwater cliff.

And, I don’t buy that the second one hit a Turkish freighter.

Something strange is going when this flooding kills so many people and then the submarines are also damaged.

Perhaps the United States has some new weapon that is exploded underwater, causing a surge of water to rush on shore. It would be the ultimate weapon to attack coastal cities.

Bush remarked that something about it looked like a weapon had gone off when he viewed the damage. Perhaps he was giving other countries a “wink, wink, don’t mess with us” message.

Theory: Perhaps they have created a weapon like a fuel-air bomb, but for use underwater. They could release a giant underwater cloud of explosive nano-particles. The cloud would be formed into the desired shape and detonated.

The submarines that are not involved with the operation are damaged by the powerful underwater shockwaves.

At the risk of being (not for the first time) labeled as a troll, government disinfo specialist, or Illuminati infiltrator, I have to agree with Cenoxo.

Do any of you realize how difficult it is to house thousands of people, in an orderly, hygenic, and humane manner?

Yes, there are some disturbing elements in that account -- particularly, the assertions that the hurricane victims housed there will not be allowed to leave. That bothers me.

But cenoxo hits the nail on the head with his other observations.

And please, people -- just because someone disagrees with you DOES NOT MEAN they are agents provocateurs. It just means they see things differently than you do. If you can't accept that others can have a different opinion than yourself, and stilll be concerned, caring people, then you should take some time to reflect on your own biases and preconceptions.

The paranoid "if you don't agree with us, you're one of them" mentality is the same pathology that afflicts Bush and his cabal. Please, please, don't let that mental infection take over this excellent forum.

I dont have time to read all of the comments to see if anybody mentioned this, but as for the explosions I saw on the local news something about a chemical dump exploding. So to not be paranoid I could say the "explosion" was just the chem dump exploding all by its lonesome OR the chem dump blast was a cover for the blasting of the levee. Then again, maybe my timeline of events in my mind isnt that great and I've gotten things out of order.

I doubt the sound of the levee's giving way would sound like an explosion. Most of the stuff I've read talked about the levee's giving way because they weren't packed down and the constantly lapping water at the banks finally erroded enough of the dirt away the levee could no longer hold back the weight of the water.

*(New Orleans DA Jim Garrison investigated JFK's murder and found Nazis and the CIA responsible. Garrison had seen Dachau concentration camp in WWII. Ironic that FEMA turned his New Orleans into a concentration camp for poor black Americans after storm Katrina, isn't it?)*

"I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security."

"In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society."

I was with the artillery supporting the division that took Dachau; I arrived there the day after it was taken, when bulldozers were making pyramids of human bodies outside the camp. What I saw there has haunted me ever since. Because the law is my profession, I've always wondered about the judges throughout Germany who sentenced men to jail for picking pockets at a time when their own government was jerking gold from the teeth of men murdered in gas chambers.

I'm concerned about all of this because it isn't a German phenomenon; it's a human phenomenon. It can happen here, because there has been no change and there has been no progress and there has been no increase of understanding on the part of men for their fellow man. What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in this case, is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state.

It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state.

Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.

In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work.

But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same.

I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act.

I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office.

Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security.

First of all, I don't think we should poop too vigorously on 'cenoxo' - it's good to have his voice in the forum: a stiff reminder of the alternative view.

Some of his suggestions are not so insane either, ALWAYS, ALWAYS wield the sword of Damoclese, or in other words "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck." What is most freightening about the story of the camp in Oklahoma is the lack of transparency - if Geraldo can't come and go as he please to interview people, well, even if, then we prick up our ears (even higher).

Transparency - if you've done nothing wrong, what're you hiding?

The criminal negligence of FEMA to do it's job (that it had done last summer in FLA.) smells to high hell, as does Bush's casual approach to the whole matter - was he "blooded"-in by 9/11? And now is not fazed by the deaths of thousands?

And could someone please take another look at the path of the hurricane leading up to landfall and explain to me how that makes sense?

My German in-laws have been telling me since he was appointed that it is all too reminiscent of Hitler (and if they don't know...) My next question to them, to everyone is -

What then should we do? Because action is required, but who's to lead the charge?

I like cenoxo. He brings up important counterpoints. If you can shoot them down logically and rationally, do it. There's no reason to attack the messenger. Simply critique the content of his posts, preferably without feeling the need to resort to attempts at clairvoyance.

I'm not a bobble-head doll for what he posts. But I find cenoxo's observations at least as thinkable and permissible as the general run of opinion and speculation around here.

Consider that no sooner has someone repeated a rumor claiming that the noise of explosive blasts was heard prior to the main N.O. levees failing, and several of you already appear well on the road to being convinced that they were sabotaged with mines. And the people in the process of falling in love with that scenario appear to have certainty as to the identity of the culprits, as well...

there is nothing unreasonable about the questions civorex (or whatever his name is) poses. Rather than self-importantly accuse him of being a Fed, how about this. Contact the churches and the e-mails he cites and check the shit out for yourselves. Then draw conclusions. You ask why HE doesn't do it. Well, shit, that's like a little kid getting mad cuz their sister told him to clean his room--"Why don't YOU clean your room?!!!" Umm, okay. Fine. Big sis'll clean her room. Then what? That's not the point. The point is if you are reallly concerned with the truth and with this issue, it is very easy to at least make the attempt to contact people involved directly with the housing and everything else and see if it jibes with what you WANT the truth to be. If it doesn't, you'll have to revamp your theories and interpretations. What a tragedy that would be, right? On the other hand, if what you find out bolsters and confirms your suspicions, then all the better. You have much more solid ground to work off of. I love Jeff's site and it resonates deeply and the mythic arc of his investigations and perceptions speak to me, but I'm not necessarily taking it as total truth when I don't have direct first-hand knowledge. You wouldn't take info second hand from the likes of Shrub; why would you take it at second hand from anyone else, regardless of their intelligence and well-meaningness?

The last thing is, let's not kid ourselves here. If the shit is really hitting the fan, and I suspect it may really be happening, posting all-too easy accusations and judgements on a "virtual forum" in computer world ain't gonna save you and it ain't gonna save me. If I was ready to really free myself and to do what needs to be done, I would not even have time nor inclination to be on an online forum right now. I would already be in the woods or wherever else, getting ready--learning how to farm sustainibly, forage and hunt and shoot a gun if necessary, I'd be learnin' from whoever is already doin' it, how to build a cabin, how to mend wounds, identify healing herbs and roots, how to "lay low, etc. Clearly, I'm not doing that yet and I suspect I'm not the only one. Because it takes great sacrifice and inertia is a powerful force.I enjoy RI and gain a lot from Jeff's essays, but it ain't my bible and reading stuff and getting huffy at other people online only amounts to so much.

Feel free to disregard me and call me an agent provacateur or a spook if it makes you feel better. You're not necessarily anymore awake than anyone else, just having a slightly different dream.

fat lady wondered why poor people will be displaced from urban neighborhoods.

I think as petroleum becomes more scarce and expensive, there may be a reversal of population patterns in the United States. The central cities, with convenient public transit, will become more desirable; the poor will be pushed to the outskirts or beyond.

This has already been happening here in New York, where it is aptly termed "gentrification." There are now upscale whites living in areas of Harlem and Brooklyn where none have lived in decades. The first blocks to be gentrified are always closest to the subway stations that provide access to midtown Manhattan.

Blacks in New York are well aware that Harlem is being affected by real estate speculation. Some Blacks can afford the new and renovated housing; the changes are as much class as race based. But the same pattern holds for areas throughout the city.

As for New Orleans: I expect that many of the displaced residents will never live there again. Affordable housing will simply not be provided for them.

Just a couple of quotes...can't muster up much more than that today"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" - Aristotal"The key is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even write a crime report about them." - Randy K. Milholland

I'm reserving judgment on this chilling story. One thing that kinda sticks out to me as implausible: The apples. Just so happens that she has 10 apples, and there's 40 men coming in. When asked what she proposes they do about it, she has a ready response: "quarter them?" Sounds kinda fictionalized, to me. I find the Art Bell story more credible than the FEMA camp tale.

Stay rigorous in your intuition!

ps: Also, I don't think the attack on Cenoxo was justified. All are welcome here.

Anonymous One,Jeff are those pictures from the Denver airport? Well I hope that we don't suffer an other attack from Mother Nature,or those HD's. The Art Bell tape was very erie to say the least, I hope it was a put up but I'am afraid were in for some high weirdness,the kind that most people won't be able to handle. As we sit here going back and forth wondering what is reality and what isn't. No one could watch this many people fall through the cracks,could they?If there is a power beyond our perception then all we know can be thrown out,because the cosmic trickster will stand everything on it's head,later.

With all due respect to my fellow FI posters, I don't think the overwhelmingly negative reactions to the poster named 'cenoxo' is surprising.

I don't think it's fair to suggest that we are all so enamoured of conspiracy theories that we would jump on someone who challenges our collective delusions.

In part, we have reacted so negatively to cenoxo's calls for reason because the events we have witnessed, since 9/11 are, in themselves, so unreasonable.

Further, the Right wing media uses a similar rhetorical style - one which first minimizes the horror of the event in question, and then undermines efforts to understand and ask questions about how it was allowed to happen. The purpose is to support the status quo, and to undermine efforts to overturn it, not to educate or inform anyone.

To have someone come on board here, in this critical moment of time, acting as an apologist for BushCo, will continue to be met with the fiercest of reactions, as we've already seen.

I'll give you who call for reason this much:

Does anyone really think that contacting the Youth Camp will provide any answers except those already scripted? Who, in authority, is going to tell the truth about the fate of those now interned in FEMA camps? As Cassie said, who is going to know who they are and what happens to them?

You’d think a rock as big as the one he’s living under would have crushed a person by now, wouldn’t you?

I have zero use for anyone more willing to err on the side of the wealthpowerful, than to err on the side of creating a future worth living in for our every descendent. Could be because I have given birth. Go figure.

On second thought, make that less than zero.

A tin-foil hat is highly indicative of a working brain, and guarantees the wearer’s heart has not turned to stone.

I wish people could realize the extreme danger of feeding the inertia so much as a morsel.

Last time I checked New Orleans was gone. An entire American city is now a wasteland. When was the last time that happened?

It is also undeniable that George and his neocon scumbag buddies did not to give a rat's ass.

Their response was so callous it is impossible not to suspect foul play.

And if they were deliberately negligent or actively contributed to the 'disaster' we will only be able to glimpse it through the cracks in the cover story. After all this would not be the kind of dastardly sinister shit they would allow the public to notice readily.

As I see it this great site tries to join the dots and see the bigger picture. It is a forum for speculation.

I do not need Cenoxo or his many aliases providing skeptical rebuttals for me.

I do not need to be rebutting his points one by one.

I do not need to be lectured about the importance of his opinions.

I have my own. And one of them is he is talking out his arse.

As for me I simply ignore his rather dull and predictable posts.

I am interested in what I do not hear on CNN / Fox and all the other mainstream wank channels.

Yes some of it is speculation, some of it wild but some of it is the truth.

Why not just let the readers decide for themselves, I think we are all smart enough.

Professor Pan said..."Do any of you realize how difficult it is to house thousands of people, in an orderly, hygenic, and humane manner?"

Yes, Cuba has done it a number of times WITH pets AND personal property when they ascertained Hurricane Michelle was bearing down on their island. On November 4, 2001, they successfully evacuated 712,792 people of which 270,000 needed extended care of food and medical care. In addition to, successful transfer of 777,668 animals to safe areas.

And speaking of Cuba, they pledged 1,100 of their doctors to assist in the rescue and medical treatment efforts for Katrina victims. The BushCo. death machine said positively NO.

Also, in your defense of Cenoxo, you are oversimplifying his case. To be sure there are newbies and others who are genuinely skeptical, perhaps needing more information. But the information being coordinated at RI by and large is being corroborated with corporate news agencies, or eyewitness testimonies. Some information is food for thought and grounds for further research. Some more are pieces of evidence they bring to the table for dissection and incorporation into the larger puzzle.

However, Cenoxo deliberately and consistantly attacks progressive thought and genuinely documented news posts. It's like a small child that won't stop interrupting conversations. Cenoxo engages in subjective, psychological inanities; designed to confuse and distract from the dialogue and progression towards the truth. This contributes nothing to RI. If he's genuinely skeptical about the information, the onus is on him to search out satisfactorily desired answers. Not to bully, engage in calculatedly disruptive behavior, or to piss on other people's investigative work. His tact is hardly born of innocent questions or healthy speculations.

I interviewed a resident of decimated Buras, Louisiana who confided with me that he's utterly convinced that the levee was deliberately destroyed in order to flood the city and create chaos. More people are waking up to this.

And now we have "Bushvilles" sprouting up in distant states like Colorado and Utah and Oklahoma. How long will these people be in these places? And why all the security? Is it to keep people out or keep the evaucees in?

Critical responses to some of the ideas floated here is not equivalent to being an "apologist for BushCo" (as Morgan Wolf said).

And Solemn V:

Your comments about Cuba have *nothing* to do with Cenoxo's legitimate questions. No one is suggesting that the Bush cabal was anything less than abominable in its performance.

Cenoxo questioned the gist of the FEMA article: that there was something sinister going on at the youth camp. I don't see a shred of evidence that the camp is a Nazi-style concentration camp, as many others have asserted or implied (see my post on the board for more specifics).

But it is sad that dissidence to Jeff's ideas is equated as shilling for Bush. I've been the brunt of that smear so many times that I took a break from posting on the board. Any time I posted something critical of the prevailing reality tunnel, I knew I'd be hit with the accusations, often within minutes.

When you, and others, play those games -- smearing skeptical inquiry -- you're no different than Bush's Manichean "You're either with us, or against us" false dichotomy.

I know I'm banging my head against the wall, but I hate to see honest questioners derided as "the enemy." Cenoxo asked some very good questions, and for that he/she was lambasted and vilified as a Bush defender, when there was *nothing* in the post even remotely defending Bush.

Much too often, I see too much "Rigid Adherence" as opposed to true "Rigorous Intuition" among the posters here. That wasn't always the case, but sadly, it's becoming the norm.

Not sure if it's been pointed out before or has been assumed common knowledge ... but ... christian news media (AgapePress) and the cult Jack Parsons belonged to (AgapeLodge) are the same name. Intuition tells me that it might not be a coincidence

Last June's Supreme Court decision Kelo v. New London officially validated the on-going practice of governments taking from private property owners and giving it to richer people in the name of commercial development and greater tax revenue.

Expect in New Orleans this to take place. Evacuated homeowners who want to come back and rebuild on their own land will be prevented from doing so. The city (or the state, or even the feds) will take the land from them and give it to developers. The poor and modest homeowners, even after receiving decent-sized insurance checks and government checks, will be priced out of the city. A category-5-proof levee will be built making the city an attractive destination, but land values and rents will be too high for most people. Yet the Frech Quarter will return in all its glory, and Saints will be given the most plush stadium in America. Americnas will be proud of how the city "came back." And now it won't have all those poor and fearsome black people!

as a poster mentioned, it could have been a controlled explosion that may have been nefarious or done in good faith. regardless of that issue, it could have been an electrical or gas main explosion of innumerable kinds. to hear an explosion in this scenario really can't be ascribed to the levee without a close forensic accounting. the real issue is how FEMA maximized the death toll, and the pending question is how many will be shot during the next fortnight? refusing to leave, quarantined, burried in mass graves with looters, etc... the levee is part of a much graver series of events. it's like the gas cannister in WACO: Rules of Engagement; it could be premeditated or extemporaneous, but either way you are witnessing murder.

thanks to prof pan and cenoxo for actually continuing to ask critical questions, its too bad there is more intuition than rigor around here these days. shit is definitely bad right now, and everybody's nerves are pretty frayed, but groupthink is still bullshit.

I don't think there's any question that something is very, very wrong with what is being done to the people of New Orleans. All one has to do is imagine what WOULDN'T look wrong -- traumatized, devastated people being herded helplessly into camps surrounded by armed guards and razor-wire fence...nah, call me crazy, but it doesn't look right to me.

So...are warm-hearted local people coming in to greet these people? Maybe welcome them into their churches and homes, volunteers encouraged to come in to provide counselling or just orientation, maybe a welcome picnic or nice people (of whom there are many, I am sure, who would love to contribute their time or anything else), showing them around town? No? Well, maybe later. I'll be watching.

By the way, I have visited Dachau and was absolutely amazed at how long it took for anyone to figure out/admit what was going on there. Even the Red Cross visited it several times and reassured skeptics that it was a wonderful, humane place where people were being taught important skills and helped.

So, I wouldn't count too much on anybody's official statements -- as long as there is secrecy and a wall between those poor vulnerable people and those outside, it's only common sense to be suspicious -- if you're not, I would have a very hard time trusting YOU.

if the ATSNN account seems fearful, then that is a justified response to the experience of visiting this leased Church camp. there's no reason to take that perception as gospel. any truth-seeker must be aware of how the memes of the illuminati myth are very prevalent, and tend to color the descriptive vocabularies of those who are witnessing a fascist putch in the guise of conservative Christian crusaders.

the pictures speak for themselves: FEMA camps are real, they are a banal part of what citizens are living through. we don't repair levees, we don't evacuate cities, we don't heal ghettos, and we don't overcome class hierarchy. this is Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, John Birch in action: disastor is a chance for culling, and being displaced into a strict dormatory is being normalized. This is the whole point of Jeff's "There is a Law" post: the normalization of nomadic disenfrachisement. these dorms Exist, not to-Being, but for-Being, concealed in the mundane. and this is a forum where we take it out of the mundane, and we look at it directly. if Cenoxo can't appreciate that, then all the sadder for his family.

I was posting as anonymous before. Feeding the trolls is a waste of time. This is the government behind 9-11. If you don't get it by now, read someone's else blog, but not this one. Y'all are wasting your time responding to these people; we need more hard evidence, like we began to gather after 9-11.

The discourse about the prison or concentration camp quality of the accommodations for these evacuees remind me of the positive spin made by Dick Cheney just a month ago, I believe, about the life a Guantanamo Prison detainee to the affect that they are living in a warm, tropical climate with their food and housing taken cared of. What more could one ask for? How about freedom, Dick? The great majority of them are as innocent as the NO evacuees.

I see this interesting comment by Rep. Nancy Pelosi about a conversation she had with GWB:

At a news conference, Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush's choice for head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency had "absolutely no credentials."

She related that she urged Bush at the White House on Tuesday to fire Brown.

"He said 'Why would I do that?'" Pelosi said.

"'I said because of all that went wrong, of all that didn't go right last week.' And he said 'What didn't go right?'"

"Oblivious, in denial, dangerous," she added.

I agree with Pelosi that Bush is dangerous; but whether he is "oblivious" or in "denial," I am not so sure.

The whole NO disaster may be about data gathering. Our government conducted a study previously on what would happen if a hurricane hit NO, made predication about what to expect, then "helped" it happen via scalar weather modification and/or demolishing the levees. The government can then statistically predict what will happen in future disasters. Also, they want to know how easily displaced populations will accept being detained at work camps. Perhaps at some of these camps, "epidemics" will break out -genetically modified no doubt. Oh Well, who could predict, verdad? When the story gets out eventually about the grisly experiments being conducted at these camps, which will make Amerikka the pariah of the world, if it isn't already, how readily will Americans give up their national autonomy in favor of a government which will replace the horrific government we have now, thus ushering in the New World Order?

Art Bell is a government dis-info agent according to several other bloggers and investigative web sites. I don't know who to believe anymore. But I do know this:

Since "Katrina" Hit, our skies here in Eastern Pennsylvania have been crystal clear. No "Chemtrails" or milky grey no name aircraft anywhere to be seen. That in itself tells me that their IS Weather Engineering going on over America and elsewhere in the world. And I do not need people like "Art Bell" to make me believe.

Now the rovin' gambler he was very boredHe was tryin' to create a next world warHe found a promoter who nearly fell off the floorHe said I never engaged in this kind of thing beforeBut yes I think it can be very easily doneWe'll just put some bleachers out in the sunAnd have it on Highway 61.

Asgard,"Scott Rassbach" who told us to get some 'real news' down a few stories on the front page (sorry can't remember which one...I think the one about "Little Somalia") has a blog with a story about John Titor. See also my other comments to and about Scott.

Yes, cenoxo and Professor Pan (who melted down when he thought I called him a Satanist and even whinged about it on a message board.) Why in these troubled times would you spend your time on a blog devoted to 'deep politics' when you think the answer is that the clusterfucks are just routine human incompetence?

As far as the levee being sabotaged...why not? From BushCo's point of view, why the hell not? Kill or remove the poor, hand the rebuilding to Halliburton, create an ecocatastrophe that justifies walling it off and handing control over to the 'private sector'...alas for them, at the last minute Katrina turned and didn't do her worst, so why not give Nature a little hand?

The sooner ya'll realize there is nothing these people won't do, the better off you'll be. Hole up with a copy of "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate" by John Marks about the insane MK/ULTRA mind control plan, a copy of Operations Paperclip (bringing over scientists from Nazi Germany), the CIA's recruiting of the Gehlen Org for the Cold War (Reinhard Gehlen being Hitler's Chief of Intelligence on the Eastern Front) and Northwoods (destroy an American city and blame Castro) and of the Project for the New American Century with its longing for a "new Pearl Harbor." Also avail yourself of a copy of Webster Tarpley's history of the Bush family and its ties to the Nazis, to the Kennedy assassination, to drug and arms smuggling.

After you've read it all you might understand why some people here don't want to hear any bullshit about anything that is happening in this country today being an accident or simple incompetence. The only thing 'simple' is the simpletons who won't read the damning facts that are already out there but want 'facts' now.

By the way, after the tsunami I wondered whether it was possible that it was caused by a purposeful underwater explosion and that the choice of epicenter had more to do with clearing the rebels out of oil-rich Aceh and giving control of the region to the Indonesian government and to the oil companies....all this did was make my friends shake their heads, and got me tossed off a 'liberal' blog as a tin-hatter.

Who'd a thunk that'd happen twice in less than a year? What a coinkydink!

I always tell people who call me a 'conspiracy theorist' that they must then be a 'coincidence theorist.' I no longer give a good healthy sh!t about backing up why I think what I think, it's up to the people who wouldn't know a clue-by-four if it hit them in the head to tell ME why I should believe their inane versions of reality.

And as for the trolls and the disinfo masters...yes, it's a tribute to how close you come to reality how busy the little bees get coming up with their 'just human error' excuses, AS IF INCOMPETENCE LET BUSHCO OFF THE HOOK ANYWAY!

There is no such thing as 'just' incompetence when a City is assassinated and its residents held FOR WHATEVER FUCKING "REASON" incommunicado and denied the ability to come and go from their new 'homes.'

It's a violation of their Constitutional rights and whoever is doing it is doing it with the blessing of the highest ups, just like at Abu Ghraib only now it's "niggers" not "towelheads" that they count on most Americans not giving a damn for.

Yes, time to trot out the Pastor Martin Niemoller quote (Niemoller was at Theresienstadt by the way, as was Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer; Niemoller survived the war, Bonhoeffer was hanged for his part in plotting to kill Hitler):

"First they came for the Jewsand I did not speak outbecause I was not a Jew.Then they came for the Communistsand I did not speak outbecause I was not a Communist.Then they came for the trade unionistsand I did not speak outbecause I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for meand there was no one leftto speak out for me."

If people don't start speaking out now, the relevant quote will be that of Leon the Replicant to Deckard in "BladeRunner":

Has anyone mentioned? Its regularly being reported from these various camps that communication with the outside world is near to nil. This has been happening since the first evacuees started huddling in the Superdome.

If we're going to acknowledge that these reports of evacuee camps seem rather benign, first lets thank the witnesses for not oversensationalizing what they saw, second lets also acknowledge that there ARE discomforting trends at play here.

Why the lack of communication and openness?

Why place the evacuees in BFE when they need to get their lives reorganized?

Why all the attitude?

...Since first becoming aware of the US funded behavior of Israel toward the Palestinians, I've been fretting,'well if its good enough for Israel, then its good enough for America'.

Since before Iraqis began to have their upside-down lives turned over again by the coalition, I've been more convinced, 'if its good enough for America in Iraq, then its good enough for America in America.'

We all called it before Iraq even got started; I think its safe to safe we've called this one too. Americans will now increasingly become subjected to the third-world punishment of OUR!!! first-world power.

Except for one important distinction. Here in America their will will not be impeded by the lack of resources experienced in foreign lands.

Hmm...trolls? I think that these points raised have been valid. One of my favorite skeptics on this site, Sokolova, would have done it herself if they hadn't done it already.

However, I don't agree. The story about the camp has a real ring of truth to it. That is, the pictures simply HAVE to be genuine, and I'm just wondering how likely it is that someone who happened to be in the loop to visit the place with supplies would also be making these things up.

And we know there's already precedent...people were not allowed to leave from the Superdome (says Geraldo and witnesses).

I don't know who used the term "death camp." Too strong for my taste...just because you are into "deep politics" doesn't mean you buy every theory. In fact, a great disinfo technique is to put just such theories out there, theories that go beyond what can be proven intentionally to make all such theories look bad.

Not accusing Jeff, here, as I happend to buy much of this recent post. Too much detail and pictures in that account with little reason to lie by the witness.

By the way, has anyone actually contacted the place as suggested? I'm happy to but don't want to duplicate.

On the subject of info flow within and without the detainment camps:Today's (9/7) Democracy Now webcast has a segment on a low power radio station all ready to go on the air at Houston's Astrodome.The producers appear to have a perspective quite outside the mainstream -- and certainly outside the FEMA line.That in itself has me wondering how they were able to procure the FCC license (which they claim to have done) and the okay from Houston officials.Nonetheless, they've been ready to go since Sunday, with authorizations in hand. The only obstruction remaining since then has been an unnamed low-level bureaucrat who has apparently been "too busy" to give final approval for the broadcasts.First she required the broadcasters to procure 10,000 radios for distribution within the dome.They did it in one day.Now she's just too busy to sign zee paperz.give the story a listen or a look at following link.http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/07/1415231

My friends, if by now you are not past caring how your beliefs 'look' to other people, and haven't moved on to what you can do to prevent YOU AND your aged parents and the children you brought into this world from ending up dead or languishing at Camp Cannamakafonecall, like I said, it's going to take staring death in the face, or finding out the barbed wire's electrified, to wake you up. Unfortunately, at that point, it will be too late.

I'd rather EXAGGERATE now and end up saving myself than be careful that nothing that comes out of my mouth isn't a fact with a four inch thick dossier to back it up and end up kicking myself in my well documented wide ass for not getting said ass in gear and out of harm's way.

In the early 1930s, in a Jewish home in, oh, say Hesse Kassel where my ancestors came from, in which everyone was highly educated and Papa was a decorated war veteran who considered himself a GERMAN, had I come home and said "The German government with the acquiescence of the German people and the rest of the world is going to herd us into ghettos and then into camps where they will gas and cremate millions of people like us simply because we are Jews" Papa who was a judge and Mama who was a university professor and mein bruder the doktor might well have asked if I were drunk, where would I get such crazy talk? Even after Kristallnacht, Papa said "It's only a few hooligans!" And after we were herded into ghettos, "If we cooperate with them we will be all right!" And when we were piled onto railroad cars "We're just being relocated in the East, we might have to work but we will be all right!" And when we were ushered into the shower room "How nice of the Germans to care for our hygiene!"

And then....

Go rent "The Pianist" if you haven't seen it. When I saw it in Palo Alto California, as the credits rolled I stood up and said "This is where we are headed! WAKE UP!"

No one even shouted me down, or laughed. They just gave me empty stares--as Bob Schieffer just said this week, their experience of the film had been "like a dog watching television. It saw the lights and images, but did not seem to comprehend their meaning or see any link to reality."

If you take this seriously and plan for it and you are wrong, you can have a party and bend over and let all your friends who called you a tinfoilhatted conspiracy nutter kick you in the arse.

If you don't take it seriously and you are wrong....

They've had 60+ years to improve on the technology for mass killing. And there will always be people who will explain their 'disappeared' neighbors as "Well he WAS saying it was getting to expensive here" or "I'm sure we'll hear from her soon!"

Or they'll know damn well what happened but think because they're [whatever] it won't happen to THEM.

Which is probably a bad thing to count on unless you're one of Dick Cheney's zillionaire buds.

We are expendable, my friends. All of us, all of our precious little selves. Just like Prince Andrei in "War and Peace" whose first thought under fire is "They are trying to kill me--ME, of whom everyone is so fond!"

On the subject of info flow within and without the detainment camps:Today's (9/7) Democracy Now webcast has a segment on a low power radio station all ready to go on the air at Houston's Astrodome.The producers appear to have a perspective quite outside the mainstream -- and certainly outside the FEMA line.That in itself has me wondering how they were able to procure the FCC license (which they claim to have done) and the okay from Houston officials.Nonetheless, they've been ready to go since Sunday, with authorizations in hand. The only obstruction remaining since then has been an unnamed low-level bureaucrat who has apparently been "too busy" to give final approval for the broadcasts.First she required the broadcasters to procure 10,000 radios for distribution within the dome.They did it in one day.Now she's just too busy to sign zee paperz.give the story a listen or a look at following link.http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/07/1415231

There's been conjecture, here and elsewhere, regarding the existence of technology capable of creating artificial weather patterns ... It's such a monstrous concept; difficult to jump in and embrace it ...

But could Katrina have been a test? I've just stumbled onto this information:

109th Congress, S. 517: A bill to establish a Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes, was introduced March 3, 2005, by Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas). The text of the bill, with the resulting act to be cited as the Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005, was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. The bill states that the act is to take effect October 1, 2005.

Could the US military simply have jumped the gun with an August experiment? Or has a foreign power in possession of the technology fired a shot across our bow?!

"Well Mack the Finger said to Louie the KingI got forty red white and blue shoe stringsAnd a thousand telephones that don't ringDo you know where I can get rid of these thingsAnd Louie the King said let me think for a minute sonAnd he said yes I think it can be easily doneJust take everything down to Highway 61."

I don't know much about the science, but I find the speculations about weather modification or a synthesized tsunami rather far-fetched. I tend to think those kinds of things would require the release of enormous amounts energy in a short burst that might be difficult to achieve even with the use of nuclear devices.

However, I don't see anybody commenting on the recent crash of the Indonesian airliner shortly after takeoff in Medan, Indonesia with the governor of North Sumatra on board on his way to a meeting with Indonesia's president. That certainly looks plausibly like foul play to me. If is it, I suspect it concerns petroleum, and I would not at all be surprised if covert US operatives are involved as they have traditionally been closely tied to Indonesia's military.

Art Bell is a government dis-info agent according to several other bloggers and investigative web sites. I don't know who to believe anymore. But I do know this:

Since "Katrina" Hit, our skies here in Eastern Pennsylvania have been crystal clear. No "Chemtrails" or milky grey no name aircraft anywhere to be seen. That in itself tells me that their IS Weather Engineering going on over America and elsewhere in the world. And I do not need people like "Art Bell" to make me believe.

I noticed the same damn thing in my neck of the woods. I haven't seen a clear blue sky in months, yet it's been beautiful for days on end since Katrina.

Perhaps, they're giving the boys a well-deserved rest after a job well done. Some R&R before they hit the ground running on the the next catastrophe.

What will the next catastrophe be? Anybody want to take a stab? Will the ante be upped?

Concentration camps are nothing new to the American Reichland. From Native Americans being displaced and forced into open air internment called reservations. The wholesale internment of the Japanese into Manzanar and 29 other American CONCENTRATION CAMPS. Then the government spawned THE KING ALFRED PLAN, which came directly from OPERATION CABLE SPLICER and OPERATION GARDEN PLOT. THE KING ALFRED PLAN called for the wholesale internment and final solution ethnic cleansing of African-Americans; "In the event of widespread and sustained social disorder". In other words... should they ever rise in power and stature to challenge the dominent power structure.

FEMA was established by Presidential order in 1979, and directed by the creator of S.W.A.T. Louis O. Giuffrida. Ostensibly created for emergency preparedness and management, FEMA's real goal was the surveillance and suppression of peace activist and so-called radical groups. This came to light when they were brought before a Senate Intelligence Committee in 1983. Unrestrained, they executed regular police state drills and civilian detention exercises called: WINTEX-CIMEX 83, PRESSURE POINT 84, REX 84 ALPHA, and REX 82 BRAVO. In the late 1980's, along came FEMA and Oliver North's REX 84 martial law plan, to be carried out by FEMA. The plan consisted of the round up and internment into CONCENTRATION CAMPS, of American dissidents and Central Americans opposed to the Central American intervention.

Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons. Updated, Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program for control of the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation. They consist of the following:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the National Security Act of 1947.

Still feel all is safe and cozy. . . Operation Katrina is only the beginning. They're taking people they deem disposable inventory now, as a test. Hoping we'll forget all about them, if we don't, they'll arrange a new horrible distraction and cull even more. Besides the obvious, the New Orleans disaster and it's murderous follow-up, was used to gauge public reaction and outrage. If the think-tanks determine it was within control, then the operation will be hailed as successful.

Wait'll you see how much terror, bloodletting and literal hell-raising they plan for us all on June 6, 2006 (6/6/6).

"So...are warm-hearted local people coming in to greet these people? Maybe welcome them into their churches and homes, volunteers encouraged to come in to provide counselling or just orientation, maybe a welcome picnic or nice people (of whom there are many, I am sure, who would love to contribute their time or anything else), showing them around town? No? Well, maybe later. I'll be watching."

This all has happened here in Phoenix, but we have been TURNED AWAY. I went to the Coliseum on Labor Day to help, to see people, to scrub toilets, sort through donations, whatever, and they weren't letting people in. A common citizen cannot have access to these people and there are many who want to help in very big ways. In fact, someone was so moved by this tragedy, he drove his truck from Los Angeles to Phoenix to adopt an entire family and take them back to LA and was TURNED AWAY. An angry black woman called a local radio station and told them that she and people from her church were ready to lend a hand, take people to worship, adopt families, rovide housing and comfort. They were TURNED AWAY as she said, "by some cracker with a gun."

It won't be long before we see Geraldo at the Coliseum saying "let these people leave!"

"...nearly as revolting as the failures of the government are those of the press. We don’t at all discount the heroic work of the many brave reporters who revealed the harrowing plight of the thousands trapped in the Convention Center and the besieged hospitals to the world. But the overwhelming focus on stories of looting, on sensationalistic claims that the entire city was underwater, on worthless political hacks slapping one another on the back. The breakdown in social order was a crucial element of the story. But our experience and sources both tell us that the overwhelming majority of those labeled 'looters' were decent, ordinary people gathering up basic supplies. Much of the press treated them as a seething, faceless black mob rather than as people doing what anyone would do to survive. The failure to distinguish between the handful of super-predators who took advantage of a lawless, drowning city and the great many black people without food and water is stunning, if not surprising coming as it did from a national media whose members were visibly disappointed when it appeared that Katrina had lost power and no longer appeared as though it would devastate the city."

"...while children and old people baked in the sun, while people stricken with AIDS, cancer and other conditions subsisted on fruit punch, the wealthy, overwhelmingly white guests of posh hotels evacuated in buses and SUVS—in many cases packing their luggage into space that could have been used for people looking to evacuate. While black men pleaded to be allowed up onto an overpass from which food and water were being dropped on a crowd of desperate people to carry the supplies to the needy, they were held back at gunpoint by armed American soldiers, and could only watch as the supplies were destroyed as they hit the ground. To claim that race was not a factor is something far worse than naivete."

Chemtrails have been just one too many "woowoo" phenomenon for me to deal with. But ever since Katrina I've noticed the same strangely clear sky over SE Michigan, and it was really creeping me out. Detroit seems to always rate at least of few fuzzy stripes.

Forgive me for returning to the larger point of how we react to outsiders - but I think it's important to make these points.

First, I don't think the posters here are engaging in 'groupthink' when they don't trust a newcomer who, for example, "sounds like" a BushCo apologist (that's what I meant to say, Prof. Pan).

Internet forums depend on the nuances of language to identify others. This is especially true in a place like RI, which has become a refuge for those living on the fringe - however they choose to identify themselves.

Next, many here claim they were booted out of other forums for speaking what is, to them, the truth. This is a kind of negative conditioning that manifests, in its worst form, as paranoia (as in claims of disinfo agents, trolls, etc.) There is already too much censorship in supposedly open forums (DU and Kos, for example), and I agree that we should not then, censor others who come here in search of meaning.

That said, when someone new comes to this forum, the first way we identify them as enemy or friend is by their use of language. If they appear to use language in a way we attribute to the enemy, most of us are going to react defensively. After all, trust is something people must earn, especially in a place like RI.

For my part, I will read carefully and wait before I blindly react to newcomers, from now on. If my instincts tell me to be en garde, I'll simply post what is relevant to the thread and nothing more. Others can do as they will.

Jeff - the Art Bell tape is someone pulling a prank. It's just a bit of acting! Apparently the guy that rang in had some history of doing that on the show before and was recognised by some of the regulars.

Just wish you didn't go for the alien schtick so much and concentrated on Earth politics. (I know it's not my place to say that, you are a gifted communicator and this is your place but I think it dilutes the reality of other stories).

Lets see what happens with Ophelia as the storm just sits off of the Florida/Georgia coast gathering strength. Lets see what happens with Maria and Nate who were supposed to be dying storms headed out to sea but for some inexplicible reason have both become monster hurricanes.

Until or unless the "sheeple" stop their insane, blind support for President death and awake and rise up with the oppressed and enlightened people to STOP the bush cabal, the wild ride will continue to its end.

Yes, cenoxo and Professor Pan (who melted down when he thought I called him a Satanist and even whinged about it on a message board.) Why in these troubled times would you spend your time on a blog devoted to 'deep politics' when you think the answer is that the clusterfucks are just routine human incompetence?

First of all, if defending myself against baseless attacks is "melting down," then I plead guilty. I won't allow anyone to accuse me of being a Satanist, which is as absurd as saying I'm a 102-year-old chimpanzee mime. How can I be a Satanist when I don't believe in Satan?

Anyone who has known me, in my many years on the Net, would quickly disabuse you when you question my knowledge of deep politics. You could even search for yourself, and if you had any integrity, you would do so before making accusations. I've never been shy about expressing my thoughts and feelings ;-)

The sooner ya'll realize there is nothing these people won't do, the better off you'll be. Hole up with a copy of "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate" by John Marks about the insane MK/ULTRA mind control plan, a copy of Operations Paperclip (bringing over scientists from Nazi Germany), the CIA's recruiting of the Gehlen Org for the Cold War (Reinhard Gehlen being Hitler's Chief of Intelligence on the Eastern Front) and Northwoods (destroy an American city and blame Castro) and of the Project for the New American Century with its longing for a "new Pearl Harbor." Also avail yourself of a copy of Webster Tarpley's history of the Bush family and its ties to the Nazis, to the Kennedy assassination, to drug and arms smuggling.

Yep -- been there, read that. All very good material.

After you've read it all you might understand why some people here don't want to hear any bullshit about anything that is happening in this country today being an accident or simple incompetence. The only thing 'simple' is the simpletons who won't read the damning facts.

Again, a very Bush-like pronouncement, dontcha think?

And you're ignoring my multiple accusations against the Bush cabal, and my assertions that the neglect and purposeful creation of disorder in New Orleans was intentional. Do you ever read what other people write before attacking them? If you did, it might give you some credibility.

We're all in the same boat, Cassandra. We're all fighting to expose the racist, murderous, gluttonous plutocracy to the best of our abilities. Our goal is the same. Can't you tolerate a little skepticism without labeling the skeptics traitors? Condemning those who have different opinions of reality is very Bush-like, and not conducive to intelligent, informed conversation and strategizing.

As cassandra reminds us, CASSANDRA WAS RIGHT, and it seems, well educated too.Cassandra, your 6:39 post was one of your most persuasive. Your posts often evidence your anger and frustration, as do we all sometimes. I just hope your anger and/or frustration will not become overwhelming. Anger, skillfully expressed, can provide powerful punctuation. Yet believe me, your calm intelligence is more persuasive than anger.

By way of concern for all of us, I say, anger, frustration and anxiety is the natural response under these circumstances. But these emotions if continually fed and unchecked are inevitably detrimental to mind and body. In the weeks, months and years ahead we will need inner peace and wisdom from God above all else.Love your neighbor, as well as yourself.

that also has a link to Olbermann's show tonight, a videoclip of a timeline of Katrina days before, day on, and days after it hit, also a quick look at a photo of Shrubber'rooner strumming the guitar (maybe that playing the guitar was done on purpose to meme back to Nero)

I saw strange structures* within the eyewall ( on satellite "loops")several hours before landfall; and all through it (but not at landfall or just before). I couldn't capture it on my computer because it was a java program (the satellite loop) and every time I tried to capture the picture, I just got a border. Maybe someone caught it and has it. At one point it even looked like a Chinese Calligraphy Characater (to me at least).

That "hyperdimensional" stuff freaks me out.

*They looked like long bars within the eye.

And then the eye looked like some Chinese writing (I could probably identify the two radicals).

But I couldn't figure out how to save an image. So it might be in their archives (I just haven't found it).

Jeff, I've been reading you for awhile, but today you really freaked me out.

Morgan Wolf said ...when someone new comes to this forum, the first way we identify them as enemy or friend is by their use of language.

I don't want to beat this issue to death either, but does the language used in responding to new visitors also fall under the same criteria?

Here is what has been directed my way in this thread alone:

Paid government spinmeister; Deeply suspicious; Its presence here; The insidious 'Cewillir' the troll who haunts the Smirking Chimp; Amazing powers of observation; Rigorous intuition; Tell your bosses the 'Hearts and Minds' spin and divert mission is a failure; Your "Hannity & Combs" prattling; Your master's will have to send another more sophisticated operative; Ineffectual and obsolete; A greeter at one of the new Amerikan concentration camps; Your pathetic nature; Camp snitch; Your voice is fading fast; An intelligence apparatus has deemed it necessary to place an amatuerish asset(s); You condescendingly urge us to follow up on your traipses into Soma-land; You are welcome at any time to get on one and be captivated by sheer hell; You may find yourself on a military transport to a Utah MK/death camp; (Beautifully Said); You can post by as many names as you like; Vile putrid propaganda and disinformation; Minimizes the horror of the event in question; Undermines efforts to understand and ask questions; Support[s] the status quo; Undermine[s] efforts to overturn it; Not to educate or inform anyone; An apologist for BushCo; Must be superhuman; A rock as big as the one he’s living under would have crushed a person by now; Willing to err on the side of the wealthpowerful; His many aliases; Talking out his arse; Dull and predictable posts; Deliberately and consistantly attacks progressive thought and genuinely documented news posts; A small child that won't stop interrupting conversations; Engages in subjective, psychological inanities designed to confuse and distract from the dialogue and progression towards the truth; Contributes nothing to RI; The onus is on him to search out satisfactorily desired answers; Bully; Engage[s] in calculatedly disruptive behavior; Piss[es] on other people's investigative work; His tact is hardly born of innocent questions or healthy speculations; All the sadder for his family; Simpleton who won't read the damning facts; Troll; Disinfo master; Busy little bee; Troll; Troll.

I am none of the above (if only: I'd ask for a raise.) No troll, no apologist, no secret agenda, just a reader.

If I have used offensive language, I apologize: please point it out to me. But don't dismiss someone with jeers or ridicule. It looks like the facts are not being attacked, but the person.

When I took my son to his guitar lesson, I met one of the guitar instructors who is from New Orleans. The instructor said his niece survived the hurricane in one the parishes in Louisiana. He talked to her on the phone recently. This is the niece's account:

A whole community of people assembled in the high school gymnasium to ride out the hurricane. The bleachers were full of people. The one hundred plus MPH winds knocked out all the windows. The water entered the gymnasium foot by foot. People on the lower bleachers tried to climb higher, but the upper bleachers were already full. As the storm surge rose to fourteen feet, people started to drown en mass. When the water was high enough, the niece was able to swim out the gymnasium window into the one hundred MPH winds. She said she saw a one-year old baby float past her face down.

I mean - what's not to like? Watch out for Brown's rapid reward and promotion.

Oh - and while we've been here, the story has slipped from the front page. New Orleans is now a heartwarming story of pulling together and "getting life back to normal", and I'm looking forward to seeing the lighter side of human devastation on CNN. Don't go away!

Some of the people posting are using Bush logic to bolster their theory that the levee was bombed. In essence, I am hearing some of you say 'it makes perfect sense that they would bomb the levee, because I believe the NWO is trying to cull the population'. That is like fixing the facts to the policy.

You should be working at it from the other end. You first need to figure out whether the bomb theory is credible and based on FACTS, not a "friend of a friend" type of nonsense.

I believe 9/11 was managed by our government. But I will not just jump into a conspiracy theory on "friend of a friend" type of rumor mongering.

With 9/11, there are so many facts to draw from. So far, there is nothing here which says that New Orleans was anything other than a levee breaking as a result of a Cat 4 hurricane. You cannot use your world view theory to prove a factual situation without facts! You cant use your theory for that too. If you do, you are taking part in circuitious logic. Not a good idea.

Hilda Martinez said:"This all has happened here in Phoenix, but we have been TURNED AWAY. I went to the Coliseum on Labor Day to help, to see people, to scrub toilets, sort through donations, whatever, and they weren't letting people in. A common citizen cannot have access to these people and there are many who want to help in very big ways. In fact, someone was so moved by this tragedy, he drove his truck from Los Angeles to Phoenix to adopt an entire family and take them back to LA and was TURNED AWAY. An angry black woman called a local radio station and told them that she and people from her church were ready to lend a hand, take people to worship, adopt families, rovide housing and comfort. They were TURNED AWAY as she said, "by some cracker with a gun."

The mayor of New Orleans said on tv the other day that when he saw that tens of thousands of people were festering with no food, water or clean air in the NOCC, he announced to them that although three of the four ways out of town were completely impassable, there was one highway left clear. He advised those who could still walk to make their way out of the city that way. In an outraged tone, he shouted, "They were met with DOGS! They were turned back to the Convention Center AT GUNPOINT!"

This isn't exactly ambiguous, folks. This is the EMPEROR'S NAKED ASS you're looking at. I think those with clear vision should be shining a light on it so that those who don't see too good can no longer tell themselves it's the halo around Lady Liberty's head.

Poor black people, innocent American citizens who have lost everything and been severely traumatized + being threatened with police dogs + herded at gunpoint into heavily armed 'camps' where no one can leave and noone can get in = it doesn't take a rocket scientist, no matter how it's spun.

I am not American, I don't live in America, but I can at least write to newspapers in my country and even in yours. If I were there, I would try to organize a peaceful demonstration of area churches at the gates of these camps, demanding to get in, making sure the local press was informed and filming the demonstration. Let them squirm their way out of THAT one!

Forgive me if I'm being obnoxious by telling people what to do. It's just that this seems like an incredible opportunity to do something effective. Right now, in the immediate aftermath, with the world's press documenting events as they happen, the cracks are visible -- who knows when they will be covered up? SEIZE THE MOMENT!!!

Regarding the possibility of weather manipulation to CREATE Katrina, it seems to me that conventional weather modification technology is capable only of modestly influencing rates of rainfall, a technology that is over 30 years old. Regarding the HAARP array, the best info i can find seems to indicate that the existing array(s) is(are) only a fraction the size neccessary to create such monumental weather effects.

That said, Shoko Asahara, the leader of the doomsday cult Om Shinri Kyo predicted (I beleive to the day) the massive Kobe earthquake. The cult had well documented connections with the KGB. Manufacturing an earthquake is, I would imagine, exponentially harder than manufacturing a hurricane. So if his prediction was neither luck nor fabrication, then it would seem that Katrina could have been as easily rigged as any election...

One of the hallmarks of the disinfo specialist, aka troll, is that what was a discussion of what BushCo is doing devolves into a discussion of what the troll is saying, which is of course to try to make people doubt their own perceptions.

How much of this thread is about cenoxo, and not about BushCo?

That's why they say, don't feed the trolls. As soon as they can polarize a board into those who defend and those who challenge the troll, they've earned their paycheck.

As for Professor Pan..."How can I be a Satanist if I don't believe in Satan?" Wow. That's even worse than Satanic...next thing you know I'm going to be accusing you of being a Jesuit. ROFL :D.

What cracks me up is that you think if you get all ruffled and pissy you can bully me into altering my conclusions, which may or may not be wrong, but are simply not going to be changed the way you're going about trying to change them. It comes down to this: you protest too much. Someone who didn't believe in Satan wouldn't give a crap. And the argument that it might lead to you being the victim of a torchlight parade--what bosh! If you hadn't run around squawking that I called you a Satanist (which I didn't) the subject would have been dropped right there. You keep raising it because you want one of two things: me to recant what I DID say (that there is no such thing as white magic, and that everyone I have ever known who spelled the word "magick" was a Crowleyan), or you want to turn everyone against ME. You may succeed in the latter but you will not in the former. You "magicians" screw around with dark forces that I believe are evil and I couldn't give a fat rat's ass if you coyly claim you don't identify that evil force as "Satan."

Whatever you want to say from now on, say it, but I will no longer respond, because I believe it is the nature of evil to engage those who spot it in unproductive circular dispiriting dialogues. If I'm wrong about you, my bad. I'll take that chance.

"One of the hallmarks of the disinfo specialist, aka troll, is that what was a discussion of what BushCo is doing devolves into a discussion of what the troll is saying, which is of course to try to make people doubt their own perceptions.

How much of this thread is about cenoxo, and not about BushCo?

That's why they say, don't feed the trolls. As soon as they can polarize a board into those who defend and those who challenge the troll, they've earned their paycheck."

Such breathtaking creativity! Bombed levees, FEMA concentration camps, disinfo agents, artificial hurricanes... even John Titor gets in on the fun, for Christ's sake! This forum is a phantastic playground, but, unfortunately, most of the intellectual toddlers here appear to have gotten mesmerized by their shiney toys.

There is a line--however blurry it may seem to some folks--between fact and fiction. If you live in a fictional world, it is because you have chosen to accept your theories, rumours, and 'intuitions' (did someone say FEAR) as fact, instead of a probability/possibility. For those requiring a refresher on the do's and dont's of information-processing, I recommend http://www.highintelligence.com. Guaranteed to raise your intelligence!

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A query... You wake up one morning and find a fresh, steaming turd on your front lawn. Who is responsible?

A. some dirtbag's dog

B. those pesky neighborhood kids

C. the Illuminati

D. don't know

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If you answered...

A. based on a calculated probability, this is a highly rational response

B. based on a mild form of paranoia, this is a slightly irrational response

C. based on a serious form of paranoia and/or an addiction to 'occult' phenomena, this is a highly irrational response

D. based on absolute honesty, this is the perfectly rational response

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P.S. That's right, I work for [insert favorite evil group]. Yeah, you found me out... darn.

"Such breathtaking creativity! Bombed levees, FEMA concentration camps, disinfo agents, artificial hurricanes... even John Titor gets in on the fun, for Christ's sake! This forum is a phantastic playground, but, unfortunately, most of the intellectual toddlers here appear to have gotten mesmerized by their shiney toys"

Fuckin' *Yawn*What a boor. This baiting is getting tedious, try a little personal creativity, and stop reading the Field Manual on group provocation.

When I checked in to the hospital unit set up to handle childhood sexual abuse, there was a question that I was not sure how to answer in the admit paperwork.

Question was:

Age when became sexually active.

I asked the intake person, "Do you want the age I was when my Dad first started having sex with me,cause that answer would be three.

Intake Person: No, that does not count.

Okay, do you mean the first time the priest had sex with me cause that would be sixteen.

Intake Person: No, that does not count.

Okay, do you mean the first time Bush 41 had sex with me cause that would be around four or five.

Intake Person: Who is Bush 41?You mean the president? That could not be true. No that does not count.

OOOHHHHHHHH, you want the age that I was first sexually active when I was a concential adult?

Intake Person: (looking at me like I am stupid) Yes.

BTW: Ever since I looked at that AWFUL photo of Bush 41 "hugging" that child at the Superdome, I have felt so angry and sad. How does that piece of shit politician think he can be there hugging children when he thinks no more of a child that to use the child to wipe up his semen?

Okay, guys, I love the Socratic-style discourse of RI and through many of Jeff's posts (and mostly through subsequent comments) I have broadened the scope of my thinking on a variety of topics, many with which I have struggled for a long time, from personal involvement in larger issues to what's behind all the craziness in the world. To all of those who have contributed to my growth, who have helped me with my internal struggles and have given me a wider perspective on things, I say, "thanks."

Now, this post and comments have become particularly annoying because of all of the suppositions, name calling and the like. "Poster X called me a cunt and now I'm going to devote paragraphs to slitting her throat." "I know Poster Z is a paid government shill, so lets rip him to shreds." Is there a way of taking all of this off-topic arguing offline? This all doesn't help; it only gives me less hope that we can all get along as a species.

But, perhaps this all-too-human display is what I need in my face right now to remind me that the vatos from the old neighborhood exist in cyberspace, too, with their little "get you back" assaults and snipes, struttin' large and bashing anyone who gives them genios (dirty looks).

We are all struggling here - some together and some alone - and I've hated that this forum could stoop to the level of the boys from the old neighborhood.

Please let's help each other learn and grow here (and yes, I do realize that I, myself, have veered off topic here. I'm not perfect, just trying to get along in a world I don't get sometimes).

*sw* are you saying Bush molested you - that was confusing, even for me - and I can relate to your situation with the paperwork, since I am a true smartass and have asked the same questions while filling the *required* paperwork out.Which brings me to another question - how has ANY of that shit on the paperwork been ANY of "their" business?What do you think our (very private) information will ultimately be used for, and by whom?Sorry - off on a tangent there...The N.O. thread is overwhelming me. I read EVERY comment. Blown away. The readers here are the absolute most intellectual debaters I have ever had the pleasure of reading.

About that requirement to square up and nail down every last little fact about what has gone on in the distant and recent past before you give yourself permission to deduce what you’re up against and take action?

As the friend with the friend, I have this to say. It's only when stories like this begin to surface that people make an effort to seek the truth - is there something going on that the MSM is not telling us. If you check the thread that Jeff links to, you will see that there are other sources with the same story.

It's the silence in the official reports that make me wonder. If there was a reasonable explanation that people heard explosions - why wasn't it reported in the many stories of the levee breaking? And even the barge - that would have been obvious right away. Why didn't the reports say - A barge has crashed into the levee causing damage. There were several areas where the levee gave way - were there multiple barges crashing into it?

Just like with 9/11 - a friend of a friend repeats a story and people begin looking into the matter. This is only days after the disaster, all we have to go on are the stories of the people who were there - the stories the MSM are not reporting. Who knows where they will lead. But I'm willing to listen. You don't know me or my friend. You don't have to believe me. But maybe this story will stick in your mind and lead to other information. And we may end up with a larger piece of the truth as a result.

I slept poorly last night. I took a long time getting to sleep, then woke around dawn and tossed and turned for a couple of hours, so I came out to the computer and read the accumulated comments on this thread. After that, I was able to sleep more soundly.

In that second period of sleep, I dreamed I went out my front door and the sky was so crystal clear that, even though it was getting towards dawn and the sky was dark blue, the brighter stars were still visible. Not only that, but images of the constellations were projected onto the sky, as in a planetarium, a fact which I accepted in the dream as being the result of some new technology. Just above the horizon was a rather baroque image of a fish, with a star shining in its tail that I recognized as Canopus.

I actually did see Canopus once, from a beach in Florida looking out over the Gulf, but it's a far southern star and not visible here in Pennsylvania. According to the archaeo-astronomers, Canopus was considered by the ancients to mark the southern pole of the world-axis. When a world-era comes to an end, and the entire cosmic apparatus of world-axis and solsticial and equinoctial meridians lies in collapse, it is from Canopus that the measures to construct a new world order must be taken. In some cultures, Canopus was described as a lead plumb-bob at the end of the surveyor's cord.

I don't dream in prophetic disasters -- but I do, at times, dream in archaic symbology, and this vision of Canopus resonates too heavily with the situation of New Orleans not to be relevant. That New Orleans is our southernmost great city, that the storm came up the Gulf from the south -- at one point, aiming as due north as if it was following a line drawn on the map -- and that the hurricane itself was anciently associated with the spinning heavens, and its eye with the still center of the world-axis, all reinforce the mythic pattern.

There is also the fact that New Orleans, with its voodoo and its above-ground tombs, has always been perceived in some sense as a city of the dead -- which it now is in literal fact -- and this further links it with Canopus, which was frequently said to be the abode of the Lord of the Dead.

(This Lord of the Underworld is further identified with Saturn, which is why Saturn's metal is the lead of Canopus's plumb-bob. And Saturn leads us in turn to Baron Samedi -- but the connections grow more complex than I can possibly trace out in one post.)

The short version is that we are living in mythic times, my friends -- and the New World Order, which may have been appropriated as a concept by crypto-masonic power-brokers, is in the process of revealing itself as a matter of myth and not of politics. You don't get to new world orders by rearranging the pieces on the map. You get there by having everything be washed away and then rebuilding from scratch.

sweet sufferin’ succotash, Art Lovers. It’s like you’re trying to experience the Mona Lisa by examining one square inch of it with a magnifying glass. Will you step back already and see the big picture? TICK fucking TOCK!

The “clue-by-four” remark was sheer brilliance. Cassandra, will you marry me.

You, too, anonymous. “GOP announces the outsourcing of trolls to India.” I nearly died laughing.

Sw, the descriptions of your personal experience boggle the mind. unlike, of course, those stories that DON’T boggle the mind. you know: 9/11 truth, Oklahoma City bombing truth, Nazi’s in the CIA truth, Queenie England truth, the fact that people are continued to starve on a planet full of food truth while our money in the trillions is spent in the pursuit of trying to weaponize space, control our minds and the weather...etc. I mean, all of us since we were little kids suspected all of THAT was going on. You really want us to believe that there could be walking-around evidence of vile deeds, yet we just don’t see it? aw, c’mon...

We’ll need microscopes and decades to examine your claims, Dear. But don’t worry, we have FEMA on the job. Help will arrive just as soon as someone brings the committee a video tape to verify your claims.

We’ll lock bush up, too...just as soon as someone produces an audiotape of him chatting with bin laden.....

As capitalism runs out of materia prima to transform, the powers that be have resorted to destructive/constructive methods to simply generate capital. For them from us. A pretty perverse form of piracy. 111 comments. Is this a record ?

Disasters are wonderful devices of exploitation. Just ask Marketing Professionals.

Did anyone take note of the strategically placed commercials during the heart of the Katrina Disaster? One such commercial was stark in its exploitative intent. It was a commercial for child life insurance sponsored by the good name of Gerber. It was a clean and polished black woman holding her clean and polished infant talking about how important it was to have financial protection for what's most important.

Hmmm.....the message being, all you black folks out there, wouldn't it be wise to do what priviledged white folks do and take out life insurance policies on your children just in case a disaster like Katrina should befall you and your loved ones? You don't want to be "left out in the cold" like the unprepared barbarians in NO, do you? Afterall, you know you're different than them....you know you're smarter, better looking, and economically more prosperous than them, so do what's right, and get the insurance.

Sure, get the insurance, so when you lose everything you own in a natural disaster, you'll lose access to your records, and lose access to your policy, thus eliminating any opportunity to cash in that policy should you be in the unfortunate position to attempt to do so.

At work this week, as I descended the stairs, I overheard a woman talking to a colleague. She told him she took out Gerber Life Insurance Policies on both her children.

Like Candy From A Baby.

I really think the underlying message is The Big Easy.

So far, we have 911 and The Big Easy.

Hmmm......the message, so far, is that Big Emergencies are easy for "these folks."

It's like the games psychopathic serial killers play with the police....leaving them clues to a greater message, in taunting fashion.

Along these lines, has anyone heard about the 100-square-mile bulge keeps getting bigger?

Oregon oddity could be another volcano in the making

BEND, Ore. - A recent survey of a bulge that covers about 100 square miles near the South Sister indicates the area is still growing, suggesting it could be another volcano in the making or a major shift of molten rock under the center of the Cascade Range.

Recent eruptions at nearby Mount St. Helens in Washington state have rekindled interest in the annual Sisters survey and its findings.

FOX News interviewed comedian Steve Harvey at the Baton Rouge evacuee shelter.Mr. Harvey stated he talked with a man that lived near one of the levee breaches. That man told him that two wayward grain barges crashed into the levee, which caused it to fail.Mr. Harvey said he was at the shelter to inspect the conditions before he authorized his foundation to donate funds for the relief effort.

It's very interesting why no one is talking about this. I wouldn't have brought up the issue if I had not heard about the gentleman that said he saw the barge crashing into the levee.

For those that think this is a fake, please notice the daily helicopter video of the repairs to that levee. The Corp of Engineers left the barge in the residential neighborhood. Don't know why.Here are links to more images that show the barge.

"Our house is 6 blocks from the lower 9th ward that you all may have heard about on TV as one of the hardest hit neighborhoods - where one of the levy breaks occurred. That entire neighborhood is completely under water.

Unfortunately, we have learned that the reason our part of the neighborhood flooded was not due to the hurricane, but rather to a misguided effort on the part of our government. Fearing that the flood waters would invade Uptown New Orleans (the wealthy, white part of town), they dynamited another hole in the levy on our side to let flood waters in there and keeping them away from Uptown. Apparently they over did it with the dynamite."

I remember reading a MSM story where a woman was quoted as saying she and her neighbors had been forced to evaquate and told to head for the superdome because their levee was going to be breached "to relieve the pressure". I spent hours yesterday looking for the story to no avail. There are many such stories and many of the storytellers are either dead or tucked up safely behind fences...

People are not being attacked willy nilly here and without just cause. This is not high school gossiping, trash-talking or bullying. Take some time to analyze the situations objectively, because you may know little about an existing pathology with these baiters, apologists and genuine shills before you begin generalizing.

What you maybe unused to is the active, participatory exercise of freedom of speech and true democracy in action, that abounds here. There are battles here and I have to conclude that the ones I've witnessed were certainly morality & justice calibrations for the most part.

That's what makes an authentic Democratic Republic is the discourse to express views. No one here at any time has told another to shut-up, get out of the forum or any other threatened censorship. People are welcome to come and go as they please, but don't think for a moment that malignant views won't be, or shouldn't be challenged. This is not a peace movement forum it's a battleground of information warfare, if you don't recognize it, believe me they do. Their weapons are knee-jerk nationalism, emotive reactionism and calculated PsyOps. Ours is truth, evidence, reality and bold humanity. Whether you recognize it or not we are in a battle for our liberty and survival, the war is just a cold one right now, but it's starting to heat up.

The cabals have been inflicting an unholy war with the masses for years. And their crimes are manifest, unrelenting and satanic in nature and enterprise. What you are witnessing is full-on information warfare in action. This is not a sophmoric college debate class, the cabal's war on us is abundantly evident to those who wish to see. People are outraged and goddamnit the nation and world are outraged and sickened by their continued abuses, greed and racial and caste bloodlust. The one positive outcome of Katrina was the exposure of their true nature and agenda. There was/is a catalytic groundswell of outrage and resistance beginning.

The elite are now the ones in fear as they are experiencing blowback by the brave now awakened and outspoken. The success of internet information warfare might account for a temporary suspension of certain synthetic terror missions they had plannned for us. As the opened and opening eyes of the world are now upon them, peering through the curtains, and exposing identity of the wizards of this Oz. They can't make a move without numbers of people indicting them for their criminal actions. A great number of people now know that it was the U.S. government who coordinated the 9/11 attacks as well as the OKC bombing and the MI-6 terror operation in London on July 7. With many eyes on them, their operations have been effectively curtailed for now.

Sorry my post earlier today was totally off topic. I should have posted in the discussion thread about the Bush photo from the Superdome. I couldn't do it yesterday when I saw it because the photo was so triggering and enormously upsetting. I went home and cried.

Maybe I'm at my overwhelm point and need to back off reading for awhile.

I park my car right next to the Dallas convention center. For the last few mornings I have seen the people streaming out of the center all wearing their white Hanes T-shirts. Men, women and children all have the white t-shirts and pink wrist bands. I wondered why they are not wearing donated clothing.

I stopped on the way in yesterday as I dragged a small bag of stuff into a drop off site yesterday. There was a beautiful little boy who looked to be around 3 yrs pushing his sister in a stroller who looked to be about 4 months. I gave the little boy the stuffed bear I had brought in and a book. He was so sweet.

The family asked if I knew where they could purchase a cell phone. There are no stores in downtown Dallas. They'd have to take the bus a few miles away to get to a Walmart type store.

There next question was did I know where the bus stop was and which bus to take to get to the Walmart. I have not riden the bus so I didn't know any of the answers. They were a long way from the DART station to pick up maps.

It is one thing to read about this and then another to see this people every day.

Most of them look in a daze. Mothers holding young children waiting at bus stops in bad areas. I have to remember that I can only do so much. I am on self imposed rescue restriction because my first impulse is to bring them home with me.

I've taken in people in need all my life though I did not have much to offer. I stop for every stray animal or animal in the road.

A person can only do what they can do especially if you are keeping your own child safe and your own dogs fed...barely.

I walked into the Federal Bldg and wanted to smash down the big photos of Bush 43 and Cheney. I dislike them. I dislike Bush 41. I am made that the priest who raped me is up being a priest in Oregon. They relocated him from the Houston area. I'm made that the child rapist Bush can be taking pictures with kids when he is so evil.

Maybe I need to go get a Dr. Pepper and chill.

This site is the only place that brings balance to this world in my eyes. Off to get my Dr. Pepper.

starroute said: "The short version is that we are living in mythic times, my friends -- and the New World Order, which may have been appropriated as a concept by crypto-masonic power-brokers, is in the process of revealing itself as a matter of myth and not of politics. You don't get to new world orders by rearranging the pieces on the map. You get there by having everything be washed away and then rebuilding from scratch.

Spell check times out from home and work computers. Sorry for the horrible spelling. I should not type when I am mad!

Answer to the Bush question:

No DNA. No photos. No confession. What proof does a 41 year old have of abuse when she was five? Memories don't count for anything. I could be wrong anyway. Maybe another WM politician made that comment in Omaha about Bush while he raped me. I just think it was Bush 41.

I had an eye witness with the priest and they still waived him of all wrong doing. If I did have proof it would not mean anything. All those kids from Boys Town were proof in themselves. Proof means nothing as long as dishonest people run the show.

Anna Livia and Plectic thanks, but it's people like you, Jeff, Cassandra and the many others, the secret sentinals, that bring bright hope, pride and fortitude to our enduring travails. Thank you all for your drive, insights, bravery, steadfastness, not to mention, investigative commitment and genuine comradery. The people who fight the good fight are coming up like patches of grass now.

These new-breed IllumiNazi's are backed into a corner of their own making. They have nowhere to go but to increase their terror campaigns and further repress the world's masses. They've unintentionally created a common enemy that's undoing long-standing race and class divisions. It's a now-or-never full-court press, and they will NEVER concede us back any of our God given, inherent rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. They've come too far and as we speak their think-tanks, FEMA and the Pentagram... oops... I meant Pentagon, are working overtime. Working out models, scenarios and plans to continue their onslaught of continued robbery, abuse, genocide and enslavement of the masses, at the wills of their depraved masters.

They've calculated this resistance to their program and will now begin a spin and public relations (propaganda) campaign in earnest. FEMA will now direct the collection and incineration of our fellow citizens who were murdered in the prolonged New Orleans atrocity. This will be done to keep the true number of dead secret from an outraged public. In Jonestown all the corpse were stipped of any identification by the NSA, at the personal behest of Zbigniew Brezezinski. Brought en-masse to Dover Air Base, the family members were long denied access to the remains of whom they thought were their loved ones. Just like they did in Viet Nam and just like they're doing in Iraq. Scour the crime scene and scatter the witnesses and family members to the four-winds. FEMA has now forbidden the media to take or display pictures of any of the New Orleans dead and dying.

Their puppet-masters are running scared, and screaming out orders to their predators to step up the tyranny and final push towards their precious hell dubbed the New World Order. Keep aware of the future signs, there WILL be a 'Night of Long Knives' to kill or neutralize those among their ranks that are non-compliant, whistleblowers, or the hesitant. Or the ones still willing to uphold their vow to defend the republic against all enemies foreign or DOMESTIC. Treacherous believers in the spirit and intent of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The next sign will be a Kristalnacht of a targeted group of our fellow American and world citizens. They'll need to make a few examples of "outlaws" to keep us paralyzed with fear and heeled to their obediance.

Smell the air and listen as your instincts scream at you. Nothing is as it once was.

I haven't had time to read all the comments yet, but I wanted to add a small, insignificant observation. Jeff has been writing a lot recently about the satanic elements in control of various industries, and the music industry probably has one of the largest percentages of satanic control. (I highly recommend the book, "The Gods Of Wasteland," by Michael Matt on this topic. It will totally change the way one views the music industry.) I also enjoy reading Goro Adachi's site "Entemenanki" and have been amazed at how he recently predicted the London bombings and Hurricane Katrina events.

Anyway, my observation is this: at the recent VMA Awards on MTV (the Saturday night before the hurricane came ashore on Monday morning) there was an extensive water theme. Lots of water falling from the ceiling, etc. There was also a circle painted in the center of the stage that was a light blue and white swirl with an eye in the center that looked like a hurricane. The show opened with P. Diddy sitting poolside with some babes only to get up, and jump into the pool in his suit and start swimming underwater. He swam and then the camera cut back to the stage where the "swirl" lowered underneath the stage, and the rest of the stage flooded and filled with water. Then the swirl/circle raised up again with P. Diddy standing on it and he went into his song and dance.

It seems just a little odd bit of foreshadowing, don't you think? It had to have been built and planned months in advance. But the symbolism...

Another strange thing about this hurricane, not mentioned here or anywhere else I've seen so far, is the name, at least to Mexicans. Katrina, also spelled Catrina (also La Catrina) is the most recognizable symbol of Mexico's Day of the Dead holiday which is celebrated at the end of October and the beginning of November. Katrina is an elegant Lady Death who first became popular in the mid-19th Century by the Mexican artist Jose Guadalupe Posada. She is depicted in a wide hat with big feathers, a long dress and perhaps a boa. The muralist Diego Rivera even painted her in one of his famous murals in Mexico City. Ironically, Katrina first came about to parody the upper classes, to show that all the trappings of wealth in the end are worth nothing but to serve as mere adornments of a skeleton.

A very interesting thing.

By the way, on the radio today I heard Laura Bush refer to the hurricane as "Corina" twice in one speech. Not even knowing the name of our elegant "Lady Death" just shows how out of touch this group really is.

The most disturbig aspect to me about the Baptist camp being used to house evacuees is that the housing is dormitories. Perhaps this is tolerable for evacuees without families, but if this is intended to house evacuees who have families or kin with them, splitting people up by sex and separating family members will be socially very corrosive and adds to the prison or concentration camp-like quality. It only seems suitable if no other housing is available, and intolerable for longer than a month in my opinion

cassandra -- bein' waked up and right don't make it any easier does it honey, the trick is how do we get folks to recognize the truth without them hating us for it. Better yet, help point out ways for them to wake up and think they found it themselves. . . "Dry Shit on a Stick" While anonymous' "outsourced trolls to India" was funny, your "Hmm. Natural disaster obliterates strategic oil rich region full of poor people. Who'd a thunk that'd happen twice in less than a year? What a coinkydink!" took the cake. I used that one in a meeting today in context, and it made the point : effective and irresistable truth, without a demand for a year and a half's worth of supporting details. thanks for that.

Tronicus -- level-headed compassionate wisdom however you came to it buddha recognizes buddha

GDN01 -- heart the size of . . .

sw -- bodhisattva you make me remember the Robert Coles book art therapy with children where the child says "The cracks in the vase are where the light can come out." So many who are hurt early simply fragment, close down and armor up. How you made it to who you are now is a mystery & a wonder, and we are all made more whole for your choice to move and act towards your own and others' wholeness.

starroute -- if reading these comments helped you sleep BETTER then we share the same odd affliction, that, and tendency for extended, relevant archetypal dreams

Uncle Antiaristo -- the next round's on me, uncle, though it's a crime not to drink beer ice cold

Funny you should mention waking people up without them hating you for it...in the yuppie Silicon Valley town where I live, we have a local bookstore run, and recently run into the ground, by the son of the founder. The founder was a socially committed man who faced threats on his life to take the positions he took; his son has turned the store into a yuppie hangout where Barbara Bush was welcomed to speak. When the store closed suddenly last week, people were shocked and 450 of them converged on City Hall to 'save' the store (which had closed and was facing Chapter 11.)

Nothing wrong with that, except that it was going on concurrently with Katrina. I kept hearing from people who used terms like "shocked" and "terrible loss"--about the bookstore, not Katrina, which most of them didn't mention at all unless I brought it up and then all they had was a platitude before getting back to their real concern, not being able to get a $4 cup of coffee and then go browse at this store next door to the hip cafe.

Anyway, I've been going through a situation with City government that has involved illegal conduct by my landlord and gross incompetence by the City. When I finally popped off about the contrast between the City's not simply indifference to my plight but their having made it worse to the head of the renter's association who had pledged to help me, she went off on me viciously because it turns out SHE was one of the organizers of the save-the-store rally.

This same person had already told me she agreed the City's treatment of me was wrong, but now she's washing her hands of me, not because my cause is any less worthy than it was before she got my email snarking about the disparity in how the City treats the privileged versus the un, but because SHE felt personally attacked by my saying that illegal landlords and City incompetence is more urgent for City officials to address than a failed businessman, and that in light of Katrina taking from people who had little the last of what they had, it seemed really...well...selfish and spoiled. I didn't see 450 people converging on City Hall asking "How can we help the Katrina survivors?" What's ironic is, if the store owner's father was still alive, my guess is he would have turned his store into a center for coming up with ways to help.

So, now I'm on this lady's fecal roster because I had the nerve to question her priorities and values.

Unfortunately I don't believe that people like that are going to smell the coffee until THEY LOSE EVERYTHING TOO. Not just a bookstore 20 feet from their fave cafe, but their belongings, their freedom, and the lives of people they care about.

That's why, as someone pointed out earlier, I am so angry and frustrated. I do not believe Americans have the courage to confront how THEIR OWN BEHAVIOR is part of the problem and act on it. They're with you as long as it's BUSH or SCHWARZENEGGER or FEMA but if you ask them to look at how they live and where they put their energy, and what "shocks" them...then they say SCREW YOU.

Well, screw THEM, or rather, they're screwed but don't know it yet. I no longer care if they wake up or not. My responsibility is to save myself from the cataclysm their refusal to suck it up and admit they are part of the problem guarantees is already underway.

Soon, EAT THE RICH may no longer just be an ironic bumper sticker but a political program.

We must live in the same town...still, I feel like some George Lucas character in admonishing you to transform your anger...the TPB program is about increasing a sense of separation, helplessness, hopelessness, fear, and anger...

I spent months in an absolute murderous fury after waking up (whatever you want to call it) to the whole situation, global financial history, cabals, cartels, etc. The fury about ate me up, relishing it, nurturing it, every new discovery or revelation fueling it...

But I'm here to report there is viable geography on the other side of that fence. And reaching that point past anger is an essential facet of how we triumph over the pervasive conditioning, individually and collectively.

If you had met the woman from the City with compliments on what they are doing right, and what more they could do that could be more right, however obsequious it might have felt to you at the time, might you have had more success with getting her help, and moving her towards awareness of and action to address the gaps in their services?

Go look up the bookstore elder and get his thoughts & advice? Connect to like minds on a local level? You sound in need of direct, close community. Forgive me if I'm off base.

General comment:

Earlier there was mentioned the fact that Order actually needs Chaos so that it can enforce even more of what it needs to exist. Once order discovers it can foment Chaos in order to speed its dominion, it will do so. Who made sure that NO and many of its sub-geographies would quickly exacerbate to the gun-toting-looter stage, becoming as much of a poweder-keg as possible? Send in the military! What is served by creating more class/race anger every day as these stories of "incompetence" emerge?

What Order hates is the self-organizing principal, where everybody just takes care of everybody else...what true Anarchy is and means. The bartender story from NO that ended with "...we become more civilized." Ran P. had a good paragraph about the tribal groups that formed in one of the neighborhoods not to loot & destroy, but for mutual preservation.

Today another of our rights died a lonely brutal death on the streets of New Orleans. The lowlife gestapo (Homeland Security) and their brown-shirts (FEMA, the National Guard, state and local police) are conducting house to house gun confiscations of all lawfully-owned and registered firearms. Doctors, nurses, old veterans, fireman and other people who have to, or want to stay are now free to be preyed upon at will. No receipt, no paperwork in which to retreive your property later, just pure theft.

The cage is being built around us all, the traps are being covertly set.

First they pass a law stating that if you claim bankruptcy, you will still owe the money.

Then they pass a law that allows any of your homes or small businesses to be targeted and taken in the name of Eminent Domain.

Now, they are coming for our guns, just like they did to the masses of Germany, Australia, Somalia and Iraq and everywhere they want unarmed and defenseless people to brutalize. They want absolute power over us, total slavish obedience, dominion with zero opposition. Now they can beat, rob, rape and intern with complete and utter abandon. They can split up your family and commit unreasonable searches and seizures with no resistance.

Want to complain? Bush is installing Alberto Gonzales to replace the newly deceased Rehnquist on the Supreme Court. Besides being a main architect of systematic torture and detainee experimentation for GITMO and Abu Ghraib, he's vehemently anti-second amendment.

The writing is on the wall people, and they are moving their insidious plans along without issue or challenge.

sussurus, I appreciate your concern, but you are absolutely right that I am cut off from community--I have done that cutting off myself, because at one time I was a very naive, reasonable, caring person--I now call it 'codependent.' I spent a lot of time being 'nice' to people to try to get them to 'see' the different between truth and falsehood.

Now, in my sixth decade of life in this country of ours, on this planet, I have come to the conclusion that people cannot be taught to see what is right. They either do or they do not. Spending time trying to 'get' people who are morally blind (and deaf) to be different is a waste of time. Those people can only be opposed or neutralized.

Someone who should know, Jesus Christ, acknowledged this truth when he told his followers that if they went to a place and preached the Good News and it was not accepted, to move on--to literally "shake the dust" from their feet ("If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town."- Matt 10:14 NIV). He didn't say stay and try to be 'nice' to them till they come around (or worse, burn them at the stake, as his later "followers" did.)

This wasn't the only time he alluded to the fact that people are either barren or fertile ground. Moral blindness is NOT like not knowing French, or how to make a flan. You can't teach moral discernment. If you want to spend your time trying I certainly cannot stop you. But what happened last week in New Orleans was a 'litmus test'--how someone reacted is WHO THEY ARE. Sorry if that flies in the face of "human potential" psychology and New Age pseudopsychology. But it's true.

Being 'nice' to Hitler didn't help. Ask Neville Chamberlain.

Evil people interpret 'niceness' as stupidity and it only makes them more bold. People who are 'on the fence' between good and evil are actually over the fence on the evil side--they may not know it, but they are. Because you can't give people the COURAGE to stand up for what's right any more than you can give them the ability to tell right from wrong. (That was supposed to happen when they were like 2 years old, and if it didn't, it didn't.)

Being nice to evil or cowardly people is like being nice to addicts: it's called ENABLING, and it has more to do with the inability of the enabler to see the pathology of addiction (due to their own thwarted emotional needs) than to real concern for the addict (who needs what the Buddhists call "ruthless compassion", not enabling.)

Ever since 9/11 I have been shaking the dust from my feet--removing from my life anyone who can't see what is clearly in front of their noses. Those people are nothing but a danger to me. They cannot or will not side with the good, they are only obstacles. From now on, no one is my friend who would not stand by me to the death, and I offer no one friendship that I cannot make that pledge.

I Just saw the best shit this year on the T.V.! I was just watching the Daily Show, and about 10 minutes into it Jon Stewart points out that Dick Cheyney was just named head of Katrina disaster relief. Stifling my vomit, they showed a newsclip of him down in New Orleans being interviewed by some puppet-head. He's talking his usual spin-happy dogcrap when you hear the voice of a woman yell loudly... "GO FUCK YOURSELF MR. CHENEY!!..." a few seconds pause, and then she screams it again "GO FUCK YOURSELF MR. CHENEY!!. It was totally audible and the look on that shitheel's face was absolutely priceless as he tried in vain to shrug it off. It was awesome!!

Please someone post a video link of that it was unreal! AH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! It was the equivalent of being pantsed in public, she totally assed him down.

Right on the mark Cassandra, I wholeheartedly agree with you -- ‘Don’t cast pearls before swine’.

Anyway, I found some really incredible and uplifting news from New Orleans, about a 6-year old survivor named Deamonte Love that led 5 toddlers and a baby to safety. Now, that kid deserves a medal, what a brave and together little dude.

You can read it here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9230423/

Another unsung hero is the 20-year old man that commandeered a school bus and saved 70 people, I love hearing about these REAL heroes!!

So a big FUCK YOU! to the New World Order demons, that’s 77 people who escaped your genocide machine.

Cassandra, great post. I, too, believe in not being nice to the evil so as not to enable them.

I learned this lesson the hard way through dealing with an unscrupulous landlord and later applied it to a greater world. I knew I was renting a slum property but economics dictated the reason for my renting this man's place. I always paid on time, thought that by not complaining I would be looked upon as a "good tenant" and would be shown mercy when I really needed something and I treated this man with the highest degree of respect. The day that my old lease was to expire he showed up with a new lease raising my rent by an unjustifiable amount one year and then twice that the next. He told me if I didn't sign the lease I would have 48 hours to leave. At that point in my life it was impossible for me to do a move on such short notice. When I asked him why he was doing this to me he said "Because I can" and "Isn't America great?" A few months later he spent thousands of dollars on a billboard at a major Phoenix intersection that read "Because Freedom Isn't Free" with an airbrushed eagle and a bunch of patriotic crap to show he was a "real American" instead of spending that money to make the needed repairs on his various slum properties throughout the city (like ridding my building of termites, fixing my leaking roof, fixing the coolers, etc.). I've seen the guy abuse his tenants in public and then brag to me about it. Immigrants, minorities, working poor, they were all his playthings and he took delight in making their lives more miserable. I likened this to the evil happiness of a child who thoroughly enjoys the torture of bugs.

I eventually stood up to him and then "shook the dust off my feet". After this miserable relationship I was a changed person. I no longer had the "kill them with kindness" attitude. There is no "changing" evil and people who are evil are a danger to me.

I Am just sickened by the constant baraging of "Donate to the Red Cross"

"Help the Hurricane Victims by donating to the Red Cross"

Red CrossRed CrossRed CrossRed CrossRed CrossRed CrossRed Cross

Does anyone see a problem or program in effect here?

What is the Agenda?

Maybe This:

Don't Give Your Hurricane Donations to the American Red CrossEstablishment charities have criminal history of stealing disaster funds

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | Updated September 3 2005

As the aftermath of hurricane Katrina continues to wreak mayhem and havoc amid reports of mass looting, shooting at rescue helicopters, rapes and murders, establishment media organs are promoting the Red Cross as a worthy organization to give donations to.

The biggest website in the world, Yahoo.com, displays a Red Cross donation link prominently on its front page.

Every time there is a major catastrophe the Red Cross and similar organizations like United Way are given all the media attention while other charities are left in the shadows. This is not to say that the vast majority of Red Cross workers are not decent people who simply want to help those in need.

But what the media fails consistently to remember in their promotion of the organization is that the American Red Cross have been caught time and time again withholding money in the wake of horrible disasters that require immediate release of funds.

The Red Cross, under the Liberty Fund, collected $564 million in donations after 9/11. Months after the event, the Red Cross had distributed only $154 million. The Red Cross' explanation for keeping the majority of the money was that it would be used to help 'fight the war on terror'. To the victims, this meant that the money was going towards bombing broken backed third world countries like Afghanistan and setting up surveillance cameras and expanding the police state in US cities, and not towards helping them rebuild their lives.

Then Red Cross President Dr. Bernadine Healy arrogantly responded when questioned about the withholding of funds by stating, "The Liberty Fund is a war fund. It has evolved into a war fund."

Despite the family members of victims of 9/11 complaining bitterly to a House Energy and Commerce Committee's oversight panel, the issue seemed to be brushed under the carpet and the mud didn't stick.

The Red Cross' scandalous activities reach back far before 9/11.

After the devastating San Francisco earthquake in 1989, the Red Cross passed on only $10 million of the $50 million that had been raised, and banked the rest.

Similar donations after the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 and the Red River flooding in 1997 were also greedily withheld.

Insight Magazine reported,

“The first days after the bombing,” says one family member, “people from all over the country were sending checks in lieu of flowers and we were getting a lot of checks and cash every day — hundreds, even thousands, of dollars. Then the Red Cross went down to the post office and made arrangements to collect the mail and they would deliver it to us in bulk. All the mail had been opened, and from that point on there never was a dime, even in letters that said money was enclosed.”

The Red Cross has been caught engaging in rampant corruption on an all too regular basis.

3,000 people died after thousands of Canadians were infected with HIV and hepatitis C from tainted blood supplies.The Canadian Red Cross pleaded guilty to the charges earlier this year after they had been directly caught knowlingly shipping out the infected blood.

Smaller charities that were involved with the 2004 Tsunami relief project went public to say that large charities like Red Cross and United Way were engaged in secret backroom negotiations with each other that meant a large portion of the donation money was purposefully restricted from reaching the most needy areas affected by the disaster.

The history is clear, the Red Cross and other large so-called charities are in actual fact front group collection agencies for the military industrial complex.

Many informed historians have even alleged that the Red Cross was used as a Skull and Bones cover to overthrow The Russian Czar and pave the way for the rise of the Bolsheviks.

Do not give any money to the Red Cross unless you support the expansion of empire abroad and police state at home. Find a smaller trustworthy organization in the local area of New Orleans and make your donation to them.

I am Valhall, the poster of the article about visiting Falls Creek. I have not made it through all the interesting comments on this yet, but I did want to take the time to respond to the following, because it refers directly to a detail of my story:

"Col Quisp said... I'm reserving judgment on this chilling story. One thing that kinda sticks out to me as implausible: The apples. Just so happens that she has 10 apples, and there's 40 men coming in. When asked what she proposes they do about it, she has a ready response: "quarter them?" Sounds kinda fictionalized, to me."

That's what was said. I never said my mom had ten apples. The "host" said "it appears you have about 10 apples there. I'm about to get 40 men in...what will we do then?" That's almost verbatim what he said. And my mom replied "quarter them?" I'm not sure much math went on through this exchange, short of common sense. Common sense appearing to be in a great deficit these days...as well as math skills.

Thanks Hilda. I've gone head to head with some evil landlords, bosses, politicians....that's how I know it isn't possible to reach them with kindness. They're not misguided, they enjoy hurting people to further their own agendas. It's funny, when I was young I wanted to be the Dostoyevsky of my generation, and above all, I wanted to understand the nature of evil.

My life has been a Ph.D. course in it. Now I wish I'd wanted to be Charles Schulz and understand the nature of the funny pages.

I saw a link that said this is the web site of the guy who told Cheney to perform the anatomical impossibility, with pictures of the guy's destroyed house--can't vouch for whether he's really "F*ck Yourself" man (who along with the Unknown Shopper who read Condosleeze off joins the Pantheon of Americans who take their First Amendment rights seriously):

I should have been more clear. I didn't mean just be nice, esp. wrt people with eyes like closed shutters, much less those who are acting in evil. How to deal effectively with the latter is a conversation for the boards, since this page is getting so long I can barely download it.

It's always your best judgement (and after your six decades, who am I to lecture you on grandmother compassion?) as to whether someone is open enough to take a clue. Whether they are worth your momentary effort or not. But one thing is for sure:

Compassion does not equal "nice."

The other thing I wanted to emphasize is that anger can at the very least reduce the effectiveness of our discernment, judgement & action when it really counts. At worst, it can blind us, or kill us from the inside out. We may still seem alive to the world, but our souls may have died and we find in our lostness and bewilderment that we have become that which we once most feared and hated.

Hone your anger into clear-seeing, resolute will.

None of what I am saying means bend to injustice or evil, not hardly. I'm simply pleading that we don't get stuck right in the same place everyone we decry is stuck, which is shut-down, us/them, binary, eye-for-eye/worldblinding...

More later, elsewhere, and thanks as always for the open dialogue on some of these most difficult subjects.

"Do not give any money to the Red Cross unless you support the expansion of empire abroad and police state at home. Find a smaller trustworthy organization in the local area of New Orleans and make your donation to them."

Right on! absolutely, those parasites have been stealing and burning the public for years. And now they're asking that donations be made in CASH, which is great because it leaves no paper trail.

A previous poster detailed how those vampires were getting people's blood via free donations and then selling it to the medical industry at $225.00 a pop. Simply the lowest form of human-shaped garbage imaginable. I understand that the Salvation Army has been doing similar thefts now that the United Way has taken them over. I can't wait 'til they burn for that shit one day.

People who organized together and wanted to bring the New Orleans people stuff directly were met by armed scum FEMA and the National Guard who turned them away at roadblocks.

We've got to think of better ways next time to help our fellow citizens and override these monsters. Apparently these criminals have thought of a number of ways to short circuit or outright steal aid for the suffering.

But you are definitely on the money when you are mad about the outright theft mode and scams they're running. I've seen them prop up phony telethons, and even use celebrities to try an pull money from the hard working public. If any of these shameless, self-absorbed assholes were sincere they'd give up cash from their own coffers like we do. The most hideous shit I saw was that piece-of-crap Tim McGraw sing "Good Things Come to Those Who Wait" at a "benefit" concert, literally as the contained people of New Orleans were starving, drowning and awaiting help that never came. That isn't stupidity or ignorace it's sadistic complicity.

DONATE TO LOCAL CHARITIES THAT YOU TRUST. THE RED CROSS AND UNITED WAY ARE STEALING AND DIVERTING THE MONEY!

Such paranoid delusions. The Red Cross is stealing? Stealing what? The money it's handing out to strangers? The government blew up the canal wall? How about the miscreant gang members who were shooting at policemen and rescue workers? And the fisk kill in the Gulf? It's called "Red Tide." It happens every ten years or so. I know, because I live there.

The government didn't cause the hurricane, it didn't blow up the levee, it didn't kill the fish. And there are no demons under the bed.

The bloggers who make these claims are INSANE and clearly obsessed with themselves and their own alleged importance in the greater scheme of things. Sure, it makes life more interesting to imagine conspirators out to get you, a perpetual victim, but it isn't sane or even funny. It's dangerous.

As for Tim McGraw's song, to call it "sadistic complicity" is beyond comprehension. The blogger who found this so horrifying should have rolled off the sofa, pulled his pants back up, and fucking gone to New Orleans to help. There is a form of pseudo-logic called "inductive reasoning," based on assumptions, guesses, and similar nonsense. These bloggers are all prime examples of inductive thinkers. They make assumptions, they form opinions based on assumptions and guesswork, they leap to conclusions, they condemn at the drop of a hat, they imagine enemies at the gate, and monsters under the bed, and the stew in their own hatred. There is no such thing a rigorous intuition. These are simply hate-mongers pointing fingers.

Sarcasm is cute, but it doesn't address the problem. People need to stop imagining conspiracies, and accept the fact that Nature does, on occasion, clobber them.

Trashing people who are trying to help is appalling.

The Red Cross has a dubious history, but this does not mean that everything it does is bad, or that all of its volunteers are part of a vast army of demonic beings out to get the rednecks on the Gulf Coast.

Does the phrase "Biting the hand that feeds you" ring a bell? Are any of the bloggers on this conspiracy float from New Orleans? I doubt it. My family IS from New Orleans, so I think I have a right to an opinion, even if it doesn't mesh with your vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Sure, FEMA sucks. What government agency doesn't? That's the whole point. If you want the government to save you, you better be willing to take what goes with it: endless paperwork, endless power-grabbing, endless-meddling.

You can't have it both ways: Either a pushy all powerful government that can rescue everybody, or a benign, small government that cannot. Take your pick.

I've been having an ongoing legal battle with a nuisance neighbor and my property manager who refused to help me rein in the neighbor.

Today I found my cat, a feral I rescured and adopted, behind my fence with his neck broken. I know he was killed because his collar was neatly taken off. He was trapped, killed, dumped.

I'm lucky it wasn't me. I may be next anyway.

The only way to deal with evil is to get it before it gets you. Alas, I tried to work 'through the system'. Last time I'll ever make that mistake. What a shame it cost the life of an innocent animal to finally wise me up, I who thought I was a pragmatist.

I agree that there is evil in the world, but I don't think it's organized and in control. I think it's spontaneous and chaotic.

People who harm animals are on the same level as people who torture and kill babies. I've been rescuing animals most of my life, and I've always marveled at the fact that a majority of these rescues would not be necessary if humans behaved HUMANELY instead of humanly.

I'm sorry a previous writer thinks I'm a dumbass, but I still don't believe in a vast right wing conspiracy to rule the world. The one thing conspiracy buffs never explain is how all the tens of thousands of persons supposedly involved in this stuff manage to keep it secret? And it would require tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of organized individuals to pull off.

Good luck with finding out who hurt your cat. I would definitely go to the police and demand they do something. Times are changing, and cruelty to animals is not as readily dismissed as it used to be by law enforcement. The system rarely works well, but it works best for those who are steadfast and don't give up. You already have two suspects.

I still don't believe in a vast right wing conspiracy to rule the world.

Neither do we. If you think this has anything to do with right/left, lib/con, rich/poor, christian/atheist, then you haven't been paying very much attention. These are called false dichotomies.

And it would require tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of organized individuals to pull off.

Are you familiar with compartmentalization? It takes very few to tell slightly less few what the deal is, and they tell more people what to do, and so on.

You speak from a place of ignorance, but I don't think you're a dumbass. Just a loud combination of uninformed and brainwashed by "official" "education". The lie is different at every level, and the conspiracy is not only vast, but ancient. I think you would enjoy reading "Rule by Secrecy" by Jim Marrs.

Been there, done that. I've endured conspiracy theorists since the early 1970s (my brother is one of them), so no, I'm not uninformed or brainwashed. There is nothing new under the conspirators' sun.

The Freemasons, Trilateralists, Illumaniti, et al have no more power than conspiracy buffs give them, which, evidently is a great deal. According to conspiracyarchive.com, Lucifer's minions are everywhere, controlling the world, though why they would bother is an issue glibly ignored. Given the fact that Earth is one of many planets in our solar system, which is one of hundreds of billions of solar systems in our galaxy, which is one of hundreds of billions of galaxies in the KNOWN Universe, which may be only one of hundreds of billions of universes across dimensions, of course some devil is going to focus its attention on Podunk, U.S.A. At the instigation of Freemasons. Right.

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Not casting anymore pearls to swine that truthful information was not intended for, so your utter naievete and ignorance are lost on me and most of an educated and informed audience. I can't help you with your McGraw fetish for I'm not in anyway an idol worshipper of humans. If you like his music fine, no problem, but don't defend idiocy as if you're his PR spin-doctor. Even those with the barest modicum of humanity and morality would find Tim McGraw singing "Good things come to those who wait", while the people of New Orleans are dying of thirst & starvation, more than a bit offensive. Why doesn't he follow it up by singing "Burn, Baby Burn-- Disco Inferno" at a benefit concert for the victims of 9/11? Let's be a little objective, it's not complicity as YOU say, it's callous stupidity.

I will conclude with this, to the two mindless anonymous' rudely interjecting their simplistic & utterly reactionary hysterics. I have never castigated the myriads of well-meaning, committed individuals who volunteer their time to assist people in need. I take offense to their criminal leadership that plunder in the name of charity and prey on the weakened. Maybe you are not so discriminating, but those who INVESTIGATE walk not the path of fools. Because I know of what I write, and spend the time and efforts to gather evidence before I speak, here is a little apropo message from the writings of Mao Tse Tung.

Anonymous wrote that some people leap to conclusions, and evidently he or she was right. I read through Anon's letters several times, and nowhere does the author say that he or she likes Tim McGraw or Tim McGraw's music or message: only that to rant against it as "sadistic complicity" is ridiculous. I agree. Your concept of sensitivity obviously doesn't extend to displaying any yourself. You keep attacking and attacking for no apparent reason. What is your problem? Are you incapable of civility? You come across as a spoiled, holier-than-thou brat.

Try this site:

http://wizbangblog.com/archives/007057.php

Here is one "expert's" opinion on the hurricane relief in New Orleans. The author, who has been involved in many such efforts, says the response time in New Orleans was far better than that for Hurricane Andrew and other major storms, including a few that hit Florida just a year ago.

You state:

"Because I know of what I write, and spend the time and efforts to gather evidence before I speak"

Reading trash is gathering evidence? Do you really know of what you write?

You also state:

"Not casting anymore pearls to swine that truthful information was not intended for, so your utter naievete and ignorance are lost on me and most of an educated and informed audience."

Your letter is illiterate, so educated and informed don't seem to fit.

You also state with regard to people raising money for charities that:

"I take offense to their criminal leadership that plunder in the name of charity and prey on the weakened"

You sure do seem to take a lot of offense at everything, don't you? Do you know for a fact that all of these charities are led by criminals who plunder in the name of charity and prey on the weakened? Or are you just making another sweeping generalization?

Finally, I can't overlook this wonderful comment:

"Maybe you are not so discriminating, but those who INVESTIGATE walk not the path of fools."

Your definition of "investigate" must vary greatly from mine, because I don't see anything in your letters indicating investigation of any kind; just a willingness to believe the worst about everybody except yourself.

Your misleading, and assumptively concocted personal attacks upon me, speak volumes about your own methods of destructive operation. I do not owe you a single iota of explanation to your pointless and rather sanctimonious rants. Further, I stand by my statements with zero aplology. I refuse to grant you any measure of satisfaction, and will not submerge myself to your level of very subjective ridicule and base antagonism.

Respect is the commodity afforded to those who engage in it's practice. You've demonstrated that you are clearly deserving of none.

FIRST: I've said this before, but the use of ANONYMOUS is ridiculous, for all that some people who post under it make sense. If someone doesn't have two brain cells to make up a name for themselves, or thinks if they call themselves 'anonymous' they can't be traced, they are fucktards and should be put in "Ignore."

SECOND: As for the ANONYMOUS who has been duking it out with Justice Inc.:

I checked your cite to Wizbang. I could go into a long dissertation on what a piece of crap it is and why, but I'm going to let the blog's owner do it for me himself. Here is the blurb he chooses to describe it:

"Readers thoughts on Wizbang

"Wizbang: "If trashy pop culture and angry conservatism had a baby"

Um...other than being a paid disinfo troll who just found out that Bush's wage caps apply to him too, why would you think that anyone who frequents this blog would give a crap about the thoughts of a blog so described?

And why would anyone who is contemptuous of conspiracy theories about Freemasons and Illuminati and Lucifer hang out here unless they are (1) masochists who like being irritated, (2) Luciferian Freemason Illuminati keeping an eye on how much we're onto them or (3) see above, gov't paid disinfo troll sent to sow divisiveness and confusion?

Justice Inc., you're right about him but you're arguing with someone who came here to start arguments, to divert the discussion from exposing what is really happening.

I would say they're really down to the dregs with Anonymous. In a way it's an insult to RI. Hey, come on, NWO, this assclown is the best you can do, with his link to a disinfo post on a conservative (oh, I forgot, ANGRY conservative trash culture) blog?

LAME. Sadly lame. Where are the heavy hitter trolls today? Over at dKos slamming 9/11 conspiracy theorists, probably. Maybe if Jeff comes back and does one of his top drawer 9/11 posts or another of his slam-bang Katrina exposes, we'll get someone from the majors (not trying to guilt trip ya, Jeff, enjoy your baby.)

About my cat: the cops in my town are crooks. I would only call them if I had no other option. I, like Michael Corleone, feel revenge is a dish best eaten cold, as the Sicilian proverb goes. They will pay. Oh, yes. They WILL pay.

Hey folks, we're not the only ones being carpetbombed with the story our very own disinfo troll with the clever moniker of "Anonymous" has been ordered to spread. Check out this diary on "Daily Kos":http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/12/16137/2653

The right wing web of disinformation is simply amazing on this story--The mighty wurlitzer is howling!

http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/

This Jason Person fed a line to Jack Kelly

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05254/568876.stm

who had at least five factual errors in his report. There is a thread on Atrios about this report. i had no idea they could kick in the lies so damned quickly!

* Salo's diary :: ::*

Let's go through a quick fact check...

"But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth."Hmmm...

"Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that: 'The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne.'"

As noted Steenwyk is remarkable sort of authority on Emergency Management! is there any literature on this 72-96 hour thing? Nothing on google. 'Francine' should be Frances. Iniki was in Hawaii. Did this guy get deployed there? half way over the pacific. Also All these hurricanes hit while a Republican was in the WHITEHOUSE. Bush's response to Andrew was considered slack at the time.

"For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 2002. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three."

Significant? What significant presence after three? In strength after five in Homestead?? wtf does this mean? Andrew hit in the nineties not 2002.

It gets worse.

"Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks."

This is complete and utter bullshit. That is what Helicopters are for. The British army air landed 30,000 men over a period of 2 days in Holland 1944, and the planning was done very quickly. A route recon? pah. Roads were open. BBC reporters were driving from Baton Rouge and New orleans reporting open roads. Why did the heavy trucks of the relief column coincide with the first public appearance of Bush in the area?

"And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states"

It was requested. Bush blocked it.

Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome.

Exhibit A B C and D.

"The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me."

"A better question -- which few journalists ask -- is why weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck?"

If it takes the army entirely made up of men and women under military discipline 5 days or more, no Mayor can put that sort of 150,000 person convoy on car choked freeways together--especially when half the drivers are getting their own kith and kin out of the way. The superdome was the only viable option. 150,000 stranded buses sitting on the freeway when Katrina struck would have been a bloodier mess. These school buses are like Elian Gonzalez's dolphins. So many facts wrong. No apology should be made for these callous bastards."

===Here's the link to the story on Eschaton (Atrios):

http://atrios.blogspot.com/

Check out the 266 comments too!

===This is the second time a few minutes of following the spoor of these creeps has led back to something very interesting (see my posts about "Scott Rassbacher"'s rightwing ties in comments to an earlier story).

I don't personally trust "Kos", but a lot of good info pops up there before he or his own squad of disinfo specialists can squash it. (That's the downside, for the operator, of running a 'honeypot'--it lets you keep track of who's found out what but doesn't stop them from taking the info elsewhere where your 'information control' doesn't apply.)

None of these odd people who pop up here to lecture us like Scotty R. and "Anonymous" that we should get the REAL scoop (followed by link to dodgy rightwing crapola) do so at random. Oh, OK, maybe not all are on a gubmint payroll or a professional at black ops. Sometimes it's just like when one of us puts on our HazMat gear and goes over to see what the certifiable loonies on Free Republic are saying, and maybe if we're feeling frisky fuck with a few Freepers before they catch on and, unlike on blogs with a commitment to freedom of expression, ban them.

By the way, I don't believe in banning even the black operators. What I believe in is teaching people to check up on them, follow their trail back to their masters, and EXPOSE THEM. That is the beauty of free expression. Once you start to censor for people their own powers of judgment and investigation wither (as we've seen over the last 30 years as people have been fed pap and BS by talking heads and 'experts' until Bush could say the sun rises in the West and if Fox or ABC quoted it, people would believe it without bothering to go outdoors at dawn).

By the way, I like how Anonymous himself put "experts" in quotes. They really do like to taunt us, don't they? Well, how do you like being taunted back, you rightwing piece of doggie dookie? Slink on back to your Freeper pals and tell them this is one blog you failed to subvert.

Too true Cassandra,I've noticed the pattern and it seems to be centered on specifically targeting only certain posters. The attack is always follows the same tract: rudeness, reactionary absurdities and subjective bad-jacketing. Far from sincere people who are willing to share info, ask genuine questions or gain insight from the poitive an insightful posts contributed at RI.

They'll be posters who give out the some hard hitting info and will garner nary a word from them. But, let a targeted poster bring out some concise and specific info that exposes the cabals, and these devil's advocates launch into a psuedo-debate and hysteric diatribes.

Certain individuals HAVE been assigned to subvert the internet's most progressive blogs, which is beyond conjecture at this point.

Your KOS link to the Orlando Sentinel hack who's self-righteously decrying the freedom of speech blogs possess, is certainly indicitive of the threat they believe it poses. So they are initiating PsyOps countermeasures along a number of fronts.

The blogs are the last truly free environment that cultvate the spirit and unfettered practice of the First Amendment. That the blogs have a growing audience that masses are internalizing hits them where they live. The intelligence agencies and corporations own the popular media and people see it for what it is and are rejecting it. They thought they suppressed every avenue for regular people to collectively amass to exchange news, ideas, human emotion, triumps and tragedies, evidence, advancement of theories and to just plain learn from one another.

The secret they are trying to hide is that they are losing ground in this particular battle of the information war, and are throwing everything they've got that would work normally in a field destablization op. The one thing they DO NOT want is ANY collective cohesiveness or unification to oppose their tyranny and crimes. United outrage, opinions or progressive comeraderie is a threat to their NWO ventures.

It's only a matter of time before they attempt to force unconstitutional laws on the blogs to repress their anonymous freedoms of speech; or force posters to formally register their identities.

But the ingenious and resilience of the masses will always spring forth other avenues in which to assert their lawful civil liberties.

Anonymous here, Sweeties. Hate to tell ya, but I voted for Nader, twice, have been an animal rights activist all of my adult life, have never donated to or supported a single Republican candidate, belong to no political organizations, subscribe to no religion. My family's from New Orleans, and yes, many of my relatives have suffered greatly from Katrina. I lived through two hurricanes in Florida last year, with no electricity for weeks, and can tell you nothing compares to broiling heat and 100% humidity without air-conditioning.

If you think I'm part of the evil conspiracy you fear, you're even dumber than I guessed from your original paranoid letters. Black ops? Did you grow up on the X-Files and Mothmen Prophecies? Actually the book The Mothmen Prophecies was very interesting, so perhaps I should change that to "Friday the 13th" movies.

I use "Anonymous" because this blog does not give any other option for people who don't want to sign up for an account. One must write as "Blogger," (member), "Other" (someone with a Web page, required), or "Anonymous." Those are the options. No conspiracy here, but, of course, you assumed there was.

As for the woman planning her cold revenge, she sounds certifiable. The police are all corrupt? ALL of them? How convenient. And what if the person she intends to hurt in revenge isn't the person responsible for killing her cat? Does the word "Karma" mean anything.

As for the Bushes, I don't believe they're evil, I believe they're STUPID. Barbara Bush's comments about the hurricane refuges in Texas are not evidence of the Illumaniti, but of the hopelessly ignorant. Remember when George Sr. didn't know what a bar code was?

I'm not going to write any more on this site, because it's become more than evident that I am not dealing with people who think. I'm dealing with people who emote, and unfortunately, the only emotions they appear to be familiar with are pathological fear and hatred. You actually sit around HATING people. It's the most astonishing thing I've come across in years. And I thought Islamic fundamentalists were scary!!!

Have wonderful lives, or whatever your concept of wonderful is. I hear there are fabulous bomb shelters one can order on the Internet. Maybe you can stock them better than the FEMA goofs in New Orleans.

Nice try for a face saving kiss-off, "Anonymous." Doubt it'll impress your bosses that you got sniffed out so fast.

And there are a few wee problems with it.

Here are the counts of my indictment of you as a bare faced and very bad liar:

PRIMO: No Naderite would be caught dead citing a rightwingnut blog. The Ralphies are a lot of things, but they don't hang out with 'angry conservatives.'

SECUNDO: No animal lover would question that someone whose beloved pet had been murdered would harbor thoughts of revenge. They might advise against it on practical grounds, but they wouldn't call it certifiable. I've had other animal lovers whose zeal to lead a torchlight parade to my neighbors' house *I* have had to put the kibosh on.

TERTIO: No place exists in the country where all the cops are rotten? Where is it you live, my friend? Happyhappyjoyjoyland? Certainly not in urban America. (Probably in your gated rich yuppie community where the cops all kiss you ass you could snap your fingers and they'd haul the person you pointed at off to jail. Not for us lower income types do the Men in Blue hop to it.

Quarto: No such thing as black ops. That one was rich.

Quinto: This probably should have been first, honey, because it's so obvious, but I left it for last to linger in the minds of my readers. You claim you HAVE to either have a Blogger account OR if you choose 'Other' you need a web page, so your only choice is "Anonymous."

If you click on 'Other', Loserboy, it says NAME and YOUR WEB PAGE and RIGHT BENEATH IS:

All of these fields are optional.

[You do know what OPTIONAL means, don't you? I realize some of you BushCo suckboys have low double digit Eye-Kews jes' like Duh-Bya.

I know, cuz I just type in Cassandra and I don't put a web page.

Well, I DO hope you at least come back to see how I've ripped you nice new one. Now you have TWO so when your masters are done reaming your original one, they can get right to work on the second.

The writer Cassandra is wrong. I voted for Ralph Nader, and I go to all kinds of Web sites, conservative and liberal, and if a conservative makes a plausible argument, I pay attention, and if a liberal makes a stupid statement, I say so. And I think "Anonymous" was right in saying that her desire to get cold revenge was nutty. She needs to go back and read her (or his, or their) letters, because nothing in them explains her reaction to the comment. Anonymous sympathized with her, for God's sake, and she lashed out. What kind of person is she?

"Probably in your gated rich yuppie community where the cops all kiss you ass you could snap your fingers and they'd haul the person you pointed at off to jail. Not for us lower income types do the Men in Blue hop to it."

What is this about? Does this woman think that everyone who sees the world differently than she lives in a gated community? Does she hate everyone who isn't a "lower income type," and how does she know who is or who isn't? I asked two friends, both of whom also voted for Ralph Nader, to look at these letters going back to the first one from Anonymous, and they agree with me that Cassandra and Justice, Inc. are railing against a strawperson of their own making. Don't tell us for whom we did or didn't vote.

Anonymous said early on that the conspiracy people were leaping to conclusions by claiming that the Government blew up the levee in New Orleans, based on the reports of residents who said they'd heard an "explosion" or "explosions" right before. On the news last night, several residents were interviewed who said the "explosion" was a barge crashing into the wall, and knocking it down. There was the wall, and there was the barge, and the residents said they watched it happen. So was Anonymous wrong, or were the conspiracy people wrong?

I wonder if Cassandra and Justice, Inc. are real, or if they're just having us on. I don't think I've ever encountered anybody in the real world who talked the way they write, or who carried on as hysterically as they carry on, so, perhaps, the whole thing is a joke concocted by the owners/creators/editors of this blog. If one crackpot conspiracy theory is okay, why not two?

Thank you Robert and Anonymous, and all the other level-headed bloggers out there trying to quell mass-hysteria and mob-thinking. It's sad about Cassandra's cat, but she (Cassandra) comes off as a screaming bitch, so no wonder she can't made headway with her landlord, neighbors, or the police. She probably infuriates everybody. That is, if she is real. Robert's suggestion that she might be fictitious is interesting. The nastiness she exhibits does suggest a hoax. Maybe she's a male college student or dropout, or a highschool student with nothing better to do.

What I want to know is why the hurricane shelters for N.O. residents wouldn't let them bring their pets, and why there were no special shelters for pets? I wouldn't leave me pets to go to a shelter. I want to blame Judaism, Christianity, and Islam for telling people animals don't matter and don't have immortal souls, and then I want to blame stupid people for subscribing to this superstitious bigotry, and leaving their pets behind to rush off to safety. People like this don't deserve pets, and vice versa.

Yes, I AM feeding the trolls, because I really want them to pull out the stops and show how they do what they're taught to do--deflect, divide, divert. (Since we've all been a bit at loose ends with Jeff on paternity leave, I've spent more time doing this than I normally would; generally I say "Ignore 'em and stick to the discussion that has got 'em so riled."

As for their "new trick" strategy...Eh. I give it a D.

I did get a kick out of the "I voted for Nader" thang. Blaming Nader for the close count in Florida is hardly uncommon or old news, and I know people who are not screaming bitches bent on vengeance (ie, not me) who consider anyone who voted for Nader to be worse than Paul Wolfowitz and Condoleeza's love child raised in secret to be the Antichrist...especially if they did it in 2004 too.

Sure, a lot of people read blogs from various places on the political spectrum, but they don't quote the ones that are diametrically opposed to their alleged political convictions except in a 'can you believe this crapola' context.

To the "Anonymous" who said the feds can find out who you are but I can't--regrettably, you are wrong. I know hackers who can trace you in about the time it'd take me to tell you how they do it, if I knew which I don't not being a haXor. But it can be done without being Admiral Poindexter. So shed that feeling of invulnerability, k? As we speak, there are politically active hackers (kinda like whores with hearts of gold) who are figuring out how, if a troll can be connected with a real person, to post that person's name on a web site with a map to their house. Yup--a trick they learned from the wingnuts. As for the wingnuts who put up web sites and spew hate, recently there was a diary on dKos detailing how someone traced this racist guy and basically blackmailed him, said he'd reveal the guy's racist hate speech to the guy's boss if he didn't take it down.

Not Marquess of Queensberry rules, kids, but if you haven't noticed, the other side stopped playing by them decades ago.

As for me--it's not about me. It's about what Jeff and others who come here believe about the evils of BushCo and the NWO which, if you only stuck to the stuff you can find on CNN or Yahoo News is horripilating enough. You'd never have to go anywhere near the 'deep politics' and occult subjects dealt with in this blog, which by their very nature are not able to be proven the way one can prove "Bush played a guitar in San Diego while people drowned in New Orleans" or "Tom Delay asked evacuee kids if it wasn't really fun, like camp."

To come on here and try to tell us that unless we have PROOF the WTC was an inside job we shouldn't say it...yo, if we had it we'd have waved it in front of the 9/11 Commission, assuming we made it there and didn't have a 'car accident' or a 'heart attack' or suddenly feel acutely suicidal en route. And if we had PROOF of the existence of Satan, seriously--would we not book his ass onto Conan O'Brien in a New York minute, for an exclusive interview by Triumph the Insult Comic Dog?

Speaking of Triumph, his fans will understand when I say..."Wingnut trolls are for me to poop on!"

Cassandra (THE SKY IS FALLING) said "there are politically active hackers (kinda like whores with hearts of gold) who are figuring out how, if a troll can be connected with a real person, to post that person's name on a web site with a map to their house.

Cassandra is the hacker, or wannabe hacker "she" speaks of: another geek, and probably a dude, not old enough to vote. Possibly a group, not an individual. What a freak. Kiss me quick because my interest is waning.

As a 53 year old menopausal broad whose most prized possession is the original Barbie doll her mom bought her at Marshall Field the summer of 1959 (and all her original clothes) who is so techno-Amish that any time the puter burps I run to the Genius Bar at the Apple Store, I find being accused by the Antichristroll on an Internet blog of being a teen-boy hacker to be possibly the nicest compliment I have ever been paid in Cyberia.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of AmericaAnd to the Republic for which it standsOne nation under GodIndivisible...

....

Come along follow me as I lead through the darknessAs I provide just enough spark that we need to proceedCarry on, give me hope, give me strengthCome with me and I won't steer you wrongPut your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fogTo the light at the end of the tunnelWe gonna fight, we gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna marchThrough the swamp, we gonna mosh through the marshTake us right through the doors

All the people up top on the side and the middleCome together lets all bomb and swamp just a littleJust let it gradually build from the front to the backAll you can see is a sea of people some white and some blackDon't matter what color, all that matters we gathered togetherTo celebrate for the same cause don't matter the weatherIf it rains let it rain, yea the wetter the betterThey ain't gonna stop us they can't, we stronger now more than everThey tell us no we say yea, they tell us stop we say goRebel with a rebel yell, raise hell we gonna let em knowStomp, push, shove, mush, Fuck Bush, until they bring our troops home

Imagine it pouring, it's raining down on usMosh pits outside the Oval OfficeSomeone's tryin'a tell us something,Maybe this is god just sayin' we're responsibleFor this monster, this coward,That we have empoweredThis is Bin Laden, look at his head noddin'How could we allow something like this without pumping our fistsNow this is our final hourLet me be the voice in your strength and your choiceLet me simplify the rhyme just to amplify the noiseTry to amplify the times it, and multiply by six...Teen million people, Are equal at this high pitchMaybe we can reach Al Qaeda through my speechLet the president answer a higher anarchyStrap him with an AK-47, let him go, fight his own warLet him impress daddy that wayNo more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our own soilNo more psychological warfare, to trick us to thinking that we ain't loyalIf we don't serve our own country, we're patronizing a heroLook in his eyes its all liesThe stars and stripes, they've been swiped, washed out and wipedAnd replaced with his own face, Mosh now or dieIf I get sniped tonight you know why,Cause I told you to fight.

And as we proceed,To Mosh through this desert storm,In these closing statements, if they should argueLet us beg to differAs we set aside our differencesAnd assemble our own armyTo disarm this Weapon of Mass DestructionThat we call our President, for the presentAnd Mosh for the future of our next generationTo speak and be heardMr. President, Mr. SenatorDo you guys hear us...hear us...

Did you believe the lie they told you,that Christ would lead the wayand in a matter of dayshand us victory?

Did you buy the bull they sold you,that the bullets and the bombsand all the strong armswould bring home security?

A eyes upondry drunk emperorgold cross cross jock skull and bonesmocking smile,he's beenstanding naked for a while!Get him gone, get him gone, get him gone!!and bring all the thieves to trial.

End their promiseend their dreamwatch it turn to steamrising to the nose of some cross legged godGog of Magogend times sort of thing.Oh unmentionable disgraceshield the childrens' facesas all the monied apesdisplay unimaginably poor tastein a scramble for mastery.

All eyes upondry drunk emperorgold cross jock skull and bonesmocking smile,he's beennaked for a while.get him gone, get him gone, get him gone!!!and bring all his thieves to trial.

What if all the fathers and the sonswent marching with their gunsdrawn on Washington.that would seal the deal,show if it was real,this supposed freedom.

What if all the bleeding heartstook it on themselvesto make a brand new start.Organs pumpin on their sleeves,paint murals on the White Housefeed the leaders L.S.Dgrab your fife and drum,grab your gold batonand let's meet on the lawn,shut down this hypocrisy.

Regarding the 9th Ward -- 100% of the 9th Ward is below sea level (the 9th Ward is basically diked sea bottom), so the person who claimed that it was bombed to protect the homes of the wealthy are smoking dope. They probably don't even know where the 9th Ward is (hint: It's on the wrong side of the Pontchartrain/Industrial Canal to protect the homes of the wealthy via flooding it, the wealthy are all in the Garden District, the only residential portion of New Orleans that is above sea level).

That said, something funny has been going on here, and even though I can't put my finger on it, it stinks to high heaven. There's been too many stories told -- of aid being withheld until the situation was so desperate that people rioted looking for food and shelter, of emergency communications lines disconnected by FEMA, of a mysterious lack of urgency on the part of FEMA and the Bush administration to address the humanitarian disaster, then the aftermath, where it appears that, when the City of New Orleans runs out of money at the end of this month (stores and restaurants that are underwater don't pay taxes), it will become a de-facto Federal protectorate run under military law... not to mention the now-seemingly-permenant displacement of most of its population, to be replaced, presumably, by fine upstanding Republicans... could we be, in fact, seeing the future of America? Is New Orleans our Jeruseleum circa the Jewish Diaspora (Roman times), to be cleansed of the pesky rebellious native population so that we can replace them with fine upstanding Romans loyal to the Emperor? I don't hold much truck with all the stuff about bombs and such -- anybody who knew New Orleans knew that a Category 4 storm surge hitting levees intended to stop a Category 3 storm surge meant the city was going underwater -- but there's a stench here, one that I can't ferret out, but man it stinks to high heaven...

The Freemasons, Trilateralists, Illumaniti, et al have no more power than conspiracy buffs give them, which, evidently is a great deal. According to conspiracyarchive.com, Lucifer's minions are everywhere, controlling the world, though why they would bother is an issue glibly ignored. Given the fact that Earth is one of many planets in our solar system, which is one of hundreds of billions of solar systems in our galaxy, which is one of hundreds of billions of galaxies in the KNOWN Universe, which may be only one of hundreds of billions of universes across dimensions, of course some devil is going to focus its attention on Podunk, U.S.A. At the instigation of Freemasons. Right."

Uh, I must raise my hand here to remind "Anonymous" that Lucifer's minions are in fact everywhere and that is why Jesus refers to him as the "Prince of this world." And that yes, in point of fact, little Podunk USA and all of US are that important and valuable BECAUSE THERE IS ARE OTHER PLANETS AND NO OTHER HUMANS.

This is a supernatural war. It's just us here, and God and His Principalities and Powers, and the devil and his demons. And the devil considers EACH AND EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY SOUL to be so important to win because he knows that ultimately he loses the war. He knows that the Blessed Virgin Mary will crush the head of the serpent under her heel, and so he wants YOUR SOUL because he knows that is all he CAN have and time is running short.

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Whenever a feeling of aversion comes into the heart of a good soul,
it's not without significance.
Consider that intuitive wisdom to be a Divine attribute,
not a vain suspicion:
the light of the heart has apprehendedintuitively from the Universal Tablet. - Rumi