Made a quick dash into local Rite Aide store for a card to go with a gift am giving and whilst passing the detergent section noticed the new "budget" Tide liquid offerings from P&G. You cannot miss the bottles as they are bright yellow which stands out against the sea of Tide orange bottles and other packaging.

Two scents were available (cannot recall their names atm), and while both had a nice enough whiff, neither was as overpowering as one has come to expect from Tide.

Really need another detergent like the proverbial aperture in the cranial cavity, but am gagging to give these a try. Directions on bottle state the stuff is good for either "HE" or normal machines.

Store is running Tide on sale this week for $6 for a small bottle, may have to give into the temptation. Probably will wait until the end of week when have saved up enough empty bottles of soda (ginger ale) so will save a few dollars, thus bringing the total price down to a few bits.

I purchased a bottle of the Daybreak Fresh last week when I was at the store. You're correct, the scent isn't as overbearing as some of the other Tide scents but it does linger on the clothes. But not too bad. Cleaning is..well...basic! If your laundry isn't heavily soiled you should be just fine. Sudsing is minimal; though when it first dispensed the suds billowed all the way the door. But they died right down after a minute(nearly gave me a heart attack!) It maintained a constant, thin line of suds on the glass door. By the second rinse the water was pretty clear. One thing that gets me about P&G, if they can make a detergent suitable for both regular and HE machines with this basic formula, why can't they do that with all of their varieties?!

Were the first load I tested it on. The fragrance out of the dryer was there but not bothersome. It'll be interesting to see how much of it remains when I dampen said sheets and pass them through the Rotary Iron. That thing can either bake a scent in or destroy it completely, lol.

Adding a booster: I was thinking the same thing. I have the Clorox 2 Stain Fighter tabs and am thinking of testing the Tide along with one of those tabs on my load of kitchen towels just to see how well it does.

I did use it on a load of sweaters I washed earlier this week. It didn't seem to make the darks look faded, so I'm guessing there aren't any OBA's? The smell on the sweaters wasn't floral but rather reminded me of Irish Spring soap.

I saw Tide Simply Clean and Fresh on the shelves at a HyVee grocery store, yesterday. Unfortunately, I have issued a firm moratorium on detergent purchases for the foreseeable future, as it appears I will probably become a pod person once my bunker-like supply of powders and liquids is depleted.

(Obligatory Exception To Rule: I will pick up Kirkland Signature pacs at Costco when I get to Sioux Falls, SD or Minneapolis, eventually. They are rated a few points higher than Tide Pods and may be lower-sudsing.)

It will be interesting to see where Tide Simply Clean and Fresh lands in Consumer Reports's tests, and whether its cleaning ability will outshine that of other competitively-priced stalwarts.

I use pacs in the dishwasher (Cascade Platinum), so it has become a comfortable format for me. Given the ever-increasing amount of shelf-space bestowed to pods/pacs, they will inevitably become the dominant format, just as liquids overtook powders.

While the best-rated pods/pacs currently play second fiddle to top-shelf powders/liquids, manufacturers appear highly motivated to improve their performance.

Dishwasher pods/pacs were middling performers when they first appeared, but now top the ratings list at Consumer Reports. I predict a similar trajectory in both performance and popularity for the adorable, deadly laundry pod.

Oh Launderess dear, I need some thoroughly good advice.. I would love to try this out, but..

My haier front load machine's dispenser drawer is quite lacking when it comes to liquid detergent. The original manual stated powder detergent only, newer downloads of said manual state liquid can be used, but results will be lacking.

A call to customer service and a great deal of time attempting to reach a real person resulted in the answer that with liquids, they flush out of the drawer so quickly, even before the machine starts filling, so the majority of the detergent ends up in the sump, rather than with the clothes.

Where on earth could one get one of those liquid detergent dosing balls which seem to be so readily available to all our UK brethren?

I will look for these, good to know they're stocked at HyVee. I also have a rather large supply of (modern) detergents on hand but I'll watch for them before they're history as often happens with new Tide products. I'm glad to hear the scent isn't too strong as well, I can't stand overpowering scents which has kept me away from Gain products.

Eugene, I think you'll like the Kirkland det-pods. Obviously for full loads, but I'm just starting my second 90 load container of them and we like them a lot. Cleaning results are quite good and there isn't a but a trace of scent left. My son is doing his own washing now and the pods make it so much easier and less messy to dispense and use. Can't beat the price either, $13.98 for 90.

The other thing you can do with the liquids is to pour them on the fabrics and then start the machine. Decades ago, one of the advantages of liquid detergents was that they could be used to pretreat spots, stains etc.

The older Persil dosing "ball" was simply a small cap that clipped over the screw cap on the bottle. About the size if an egg cup. The newer ones are more ball shaped but something like a ping pong ball with a bit cut off the top might do - from memory the quantities are 35ml for a standard load, 52ml for a heavy soiled load

From a google search I found these examples of "balls"

Front left is Aerial gel, back centre looks like old style Persil S&M, don't know what the front one is, buts its the older size dosing ball. If your liquid is very thick you might find it worth topping up the ball with water and giving it a quick stir before putting it in the machine

Here is what I have tried.
I bought a Jug of Era HE on sale that came with a plastic cap and a dispensing spout. Even though my machine has a liquid setting on the dispenser, I found that with cooler water it didn't all wash out.

So I loaded the clothes, then filled the cup to the proper dosage, and placed the cup in the machine on top of the clothes. That way the detergent wasn't in contact with the clothes until the water and tumbling started.

Added benefit, is the cup was clean at the end of the cycle so no dripping. Just have to remember to take the cup out of the mix before placing everything in the dryer.

Launderess: Don't know the hardness of your water, but did you notice lingering suds in the rinses with Tide Simply Clean and Fresh? I tried to Google the name of the other scent of Tide SC&F (no luck), and this thread popped up at the top of the Google search!

Interestingly, Tide SC&F is not featured at Tide.com.

Wonder if this attempt at a mid-priced version will last longer than the ill-fated Tide Basic did?

I noticed also that Tide SC&F does not appear on the Tide website nor does it appear to be available in powder. Interesting, Laundress that Rite Aid has it on "sale" for $6.00 or so. It is on sale at Shop Rite this week for $3.49 (regular price $4.99). Any chance you might hop over to Westchester county or New Jersey to score some? That $6.00 NYC price is pretty steep. I always forget how much more simple grocery items are in NYC...

Post# 732116 , Reply# 20 &nbsp 1/31/2014 at 19:36 (423 days old) by gansky1(Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) &nbsp

I couldn't find Tide simply clean and fresh anywhere on the Tide website, nor anywhere on the Web except for a few store adverts. Does anyone know if it contains enzymes? Tides potent cocktail of enzymes is its main selling point in my opinion.

...has a large display of both flavors of Simply Clean & Fresh on the end of the detergent aisle, right at the end of the main aisle. One can't miss the display. One hundred ounces/64 loads for $6.97. First saw the display two days ago, when every shelf was full. Today was payday and went back to pick up a bottle, and the display was half empty. The Refreshing Breeze scent is nice, but scents don't bother me at all, so I can't speak for how overpowering it may be. The bottle's ingredient list states that the make-up is biodegradable surfactants and enzymes.

I use both powder (for hot water items) and liquid for warm water items (t-shirts, cotton work shirts, trousers - none of which are heavily soiled), so will be looking forward to Sunday's wash to see how the new stuff works.

Only fear is the "good for regular and HE washers" formula. My HE washer is touchy and I wonder if I will have masses of suds and rinsing issues.

I only buy Tide when massively on sale, or when sold as overstock at Ollie's. Most of the time, I use mid-tier stuff and it suits my purposes. I am hoping that this new detergent does, too.

Don't see anything *new* coming from P&G on the powdered laundry detergent front in future. It is often very difficult to find what powder Tide does offer in our area. Most places have gone totally to liquids/pods and or have perhaps *one* version on a lower shelf.

Interesting (or worrying) how it's all about liquids. Over here, P&G has revamped most of its powders. Both Dash and Lenor detergents have gotten more enzymes and Ariel powder has even up to seven enzymes.

I'm excited to try it! I sm going to the store tomorrow, i wonder if it is on the shelves here in michigan, i have s front loader and sm so irratated with P&G, there is STILL no HE version of mountain spring (my favorite) yet they make all of these others HE, supposedly this new tide simply can be used eather traditional or he, so my question is, why doesn't the rest of tide's liquids have the ability to be used as he or non he? Yet the cheap version does? ( scratching head)

Sale at local shop ends at midnight. Can return some pop empty cans so will get about $1.25 off the sale price so it will come down to around four bob and change, but the real question is does one truly *need* more laundry detergent?

Have got a bit of a head and sore throat, so going out was *not* on one's agenda for tonight. However could use some OJ and a few other things from the supermarket......

"Maybe so, but some analysts have reservations about the launch; they worry that a low-priced Tide may pull once-loyal consumers away from premium Tide. The folks in Cincinnati may not admit it, but they have similar concerns; that’s why shoppers won’t find Tide Simply Clean and Fresh next to regular Tide. Instead, the new Tide will be shelved away from existing Tide products. And while the new Tide variant will be priced at a discount to regular Tide, it will still be priced at a higher cost per load relative to bargain detergents like such as Xtra detergents from Church & Dwight and Purex from Henkel. To further differentiate the new product, Tide Simply Clean and Fresh will be packaged in a yellow—not orange—container."

Hello Launderess you'vc got me intrigued,not with Tide Simply but the term a few bits-I presume 2 bits = 50 cents. I wonder how widespread that term is across Canada and USA? Also, I am on vacation in Mexico, which powder detergent, non OBA if possible, not too strong scent, should I bring home? Thank you all with suggestions.

Launderess-- You're kidding; they were already sold out?! You'll have to check in again next week "when the truck comes" (as the grocery store workers in my little village are fond of saying). Re: Your post above. I wondered why Tide SC&F was featured on the end cap of the aisle and not mixed in with its orange-bottled siblings at WalMart.

Walter: Two bits equals 25 cents. It's a relatively antiquated American expression. I recall hearing it frequently among older people when I was a kid in the 1960s/early '70s. In fact, my dad used the term often, as in "A pack of cigarettes just went up to six bits!"

Seems like the launch has been somewhat successful. My local Shop Rite was picked clean of Tide SC&F late yesterday afternoon. Their sales end on Saturday midnight also but apparently the $3.49 sale price for the 40 ounce (another correction on my part) was intriguing enough to have people scooping up this stuff. The real test will be whether this is just a momentary infatuation or if this product will have lasting appeal even when not on sale.

I tried a bottle and used on some bed linens and towels in the SQ toploader. Sudsing was present but certainly not the sudsfest you get with most Tide products. Seemed to do a good job but those are not my most soiled items. I think the fragrance was a bit strong while washing - like with the Gain pods, the entire hallway where my laundry area is carried a very noticeable scent level. While not unpleasant, it was still strong.

On line dried items, there is still a fairly noticeable but not overpowering scent and on machine dried items there is less but still noticeable scent.

Overall, given that I prefer powders anyway, I don't think I would go out of my way for this product again. Back to my Tide with Bleach HE powder.

At the local WM late yesterday afternoon I saw an endcap panel for Simply Clean & Fresh (with yellow bottle art) but no product was there (it wasn't empty, there was something else). I didn't need detergent so did not 'scope-out if the product was elsewhere.

I tried this on a load of towels, i used literally a FULL cap just to see if it would suds up and my front loader did sudslock, caused the ge to do its sudskill protocol, which tide original does not do, however i did the next load of whites and used line 1 about a quarter of a cap and no issues, no visible suds eather, it does get odors out, i had a washcloth i used for a week, wreaked of irish spring body wash, most detergents leave a trace smell of my body wash on the washcloth but this took it out, cleaning is ok, the daybreak fresh scent.... The best way i can describe it is a cross between mountain spring tide and gain original scent.

Why not use a Downy Ball for dispensing liquid laundry products? You could merely take the stopper off the thing, or leave it open and thus bung it into the washer. Another idea would be to take the top plastic part off (that holds the stopper)all together leaving only the ball.

Launderess, you are a genius as always! I looked, and the dispenser balls available in the UK in the 90s do look like a downy ball without the cap/plunger assembly. I will get one, and remove the cap thingy.

Thank you so much!! I can't believe how silly I feel for not thinking of it.

Now that one thinks about things and in light of information in link one posted above, the sale price at Rite Aide for this new Tide was no deal.

Tide SCF is supposed to be priced lower and kept separate from normal Tide detergent. So persons who purchased even at the sale price (a whopping fifty cents off), probably paid more than the MSRP for those bottles of TSCF.

Have not seen TSCF at any other local supermarkets to see how they are dealing with the roll out, but will keep my eyes peeled.

Well, even though I had a few All pods left, I bought a bottle of Tide Simply Clean, in the refreshing breeze scent. As others have noted, it was on an end cap at my local Walmart, away from the rest of the Tide products.

Price was $6.97 for a 100 ounce bottle that lists 64 loads on it. Price for a bottle of regular Tide the same size was $11.97. So major savings.

So far I have done several loads, and it performs just as well as regular Tide. Great stain removal, whites are nice and bright with no added bleach of any sort. I am well pleased and will continue to purchase this new version of Tide. Hopefully they won't do anything crazy like discontinuing it just as it really becomes popular, which is my fear.

Don`t worry they won`t simply discontinue Tide Simple Clean.
If it turns out to be a real threat to regular Tide`s market shares, they will bring out a "new and improved" Tide Simple Clean with much less of the most expensive ingredients like enzymes and scent oils, consumers soon will hate the new product but still generate a nice profit for P&G before it`s finally going to be discontinued.

I found this at my local Ingles the other day. Looks like the roll out for the new line has begun. Couldn't resist a 5 load bottle to try. Lol. I also bought bleach alternative and coldwater clean. Haven't tried those yet. They also had Sport and Downy. Scents are still strong, but I expect that from most Tide.
I've done 2 loads with the USR so far- whites, and light regulars. Prefer powders for these types of loads, but so far it seems to be a fine performer. Stain removal is better than I remember liquid Tide being. Whites are white, most stains gone with no other additives. We have very soft mountain water here, so have to be very careful with soap and dosage. I don't buy liquid Tide because it's very sudsy. It looks like PG has finally gotten the memo, there were hardly any suds even in the first spin with a lot of towels in the load.

As I was picking up something else at Rite Aid, I noticed that Church and Dwight are introducing Oxiclean detergent, here's the liquid. Saw a big bag of pods at Target yesterday. Didn't pick up either, just assumed they were rebranded Arm and Hammer stuff. Which I've never really been that keen on.

I finally gave in, and bought a small (40 ounce) bottle of the stuff, in the Refreshing Breeze scent. I was hoping to find the Daybreak Scent, (because someone here mentioned that it smelled like a mix of Mountain spring Tide and Original Gain), but the Refreshing Breeze was the only scent available at Dollar General. It is a very pleasant clean scent anyway, and I'm sure there was once a version of Gain in the same scent. Anyway, I paid $4 for the 40 ounce bottle, and I ran two loads with it this evening. It seems to do a fine job, removing all stains, and I definitely like it. Plenty of residual scent, but not overpowering. So far, I have only seen it at Dollar General, not even Walmart or Meijer has it yet. I am almost finished with the Gain Flings, which I don't think I will be buying again. The cleaning power is not as good as Tide pods, and at the same price- hmmm.

Stopped in another local supermarket earlier this week and they had the new Tide "basic" liquids on shelves.

Once again the product was right next to other bottles of Tide of a similar size. So don't know about all that rubbish from P&G that the "basic" version is supposed to be sold well away from the top shelf versions.

Price wise the Tide "basic" liquid was about $6.50/50oz whilst the other TOL liquids were about $10/50oz. So yes the "basic" Tide is cheaper. However this means when the former was on sale at Rite Aid a week or so ago the sale price wasn't that much lower than normal.

Rite Aid is running yet another sale of Tide liquid this week (50oz bottles) so one is beginning to think something is going on. I mean the stuff was just on sale about two weeks ago. Then again that store seems to have Tide liquids on sale at least once a month.

At the sale price can get 100oz for about $11, by purchasing two bottles. Normally those large bottles run almost $20, so there is quite a bit of savings.

Actually find Tide "Free and Gentle" liquid a very good performer and allows one to use scented FS without interference. Also there are times when you just don't want scented laundry (dress shirts), so that's me for you.

40 oz. bottles of Tide Simply Clean & Fresh on sale at HyVee grocery stores for $2.94. Daybreak Fresh version has a nice scent straight-from-the-jug. In a rare moment of self-restraint, did not purchase.

Those bottles of Tide Simply Clean & Fresh one saw at above mentioned supermarket were *40oz* and not the usual 50oz! Remember this because it stood out in one's mind since the two liquid versions were side by side.

This is why one is assuming something is afoot with Tide liquids in the 50oz size being on sale yet again at Rite Aid. Since P&G has come out publically and announced they are downsizing Tide detergents, it maybe places are starting to clear the larger (50oz) sized bottles out to make room for the smaller sized. This is why one is thinking about stocking up on the 500z Tide liquids on sale this week at Rite Aid. Ten ounces is not that much of a difference but considering P&G will be jacking up the price as well IIRC, seems like it's time to make a plan.

Local shop as Tide SC&F on sale this week for $2.99. Have about $2.50 worth of empty pop bottles/cans sitting in the recycling bin so will only have to pay fifty or so cents when tax is added.

Was going to purchase another bottle of Tide "Free and Gentle" in the fifty ounce size, but have a rain check from Rite Aide for the last time they were on sale so am good. If one notices the product being downsized anytime soon will exercise my option so to speak.

Speaking of Rite Aid, they now have Tide SC&F back in stock but it is well away from the regular Tide. All the way in the back in another part of the cleaning product section and well away from laundry detergent shelves. Maybe it was moved there before and one didn't notice and assumed product sold out? P&G does state the budget Tide is not to be sold near the TOL stuff, so there you are then.

I bought a 50 oz. Tide Free & Gentle today for $5.99, also thinking they might be closing it out. Who knows for sure? The 40 oz. SC&F was next to it for $4.99 so it was a no brainer, especially as I don't want to fool with another bottle of P&G's smelly concoctions.

Ran a small wash load of dress shirts through the Miele last night using this TSFC.

First impression as one was measuring the stuff out is that the liquid seemed not thick as what one is used to from Tide.

Cleaning wise things came out all right. But then being shirts they weren't badly stained to begin with.

Regarding odor removal, that was handled well enough, but what was taken away was replaced by the scent of this detergent. Though called "Daybreak Fresh" the whiff put one in mind of Raid or Off bug spray of old. After ironing and allowing to air things died down but still detectable.

All in all if it weren't for the scent might give the product another go when this bottle is gone. Probably won't bother again as one really does not like the scent.

Was fantastic! Still have a bottle am slowly working through. Had one known it was going to vanish from store shelves would have stocked up...

IIRC TCWF&C was discontinued due to "low demand". Considering cold water washing is not held in high regard by many Americans can understand the want of users. There was an article in the WSJ or some such paper after the launch of Tide Coldwater liquids that sales were not all P&G had hoped.

I bought a bottle of the Tide Basic last week and have used it on a few loads far, but not in the front-load so can't speak to the foaming there. In the top loaders, there were suds in the wash cycle but little to none in the rinse. I have the Mountain Breeze scent, not too strong and little or no residual scent after drying. The towel load cleaning was fine but hardly a challenge for most detergents. The two other loads were regular daily clothes and it seemed to be quite satisfactory.

Here's the first load I did, all towels in the 1-18 Frigidaire. I used nearly 1/2 cap measure, we have soft water so less is more, especially in towels.

For those of you that can't find Tide Free and Gentle:
I have trouble finding that too. But the All Free and Clear is somewhat popular in my area.
I find that seems to work with people that have sensitive skin. Been using it for a couple of years on my mom's laundry and no complaints. It comes in regular and Oxy.

There is also the Xtra brand that doesn't contain color and has easy on the skin scent ingredients (for those that may not be as sensitive).

The All products always have coupons and are on sale at the major Pharmacy chains all the time (no pun intended).

Wonder if P&G will spend that sort of money on their "budget" product. *LOL*

Did a small load last night using barely 10ml of the stuff and scent wise things were slightly better. Jeans that were line dried still have a whiff of "eau de la bug spray", but things dried in the Lavatherm (dryer) are almost free of the pong.

Ok, I did it. I visited Tide.com and asked the wizards in their PR department if Tide Simply Clean & Fresh would be available in pod form soon. Supposed to have an answer within 72 hours.

It's official: Once my current stash of various powders and liquids is depleted, I will use pods exclusively (most likely Wisk, Tide, and Arm & Hammer). Powders and liquids are so 20th century.

Inevitable Exception To Rule: Perwoll Intensive Black, which is available only as a liquid, and is the best detergent for keeping blacks black that you'll ever use. Take it from someone who washes a mountainous load of them each week. #threadjacker

Post# 741081 , Reply# 83 &nbsp 3/11/2014 at 07:37 (385 days old) by gansky1(Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) &nbsp

In the absence of a USA high quality liquid detergent for darker colors that does not contain OBA's one uses Perwoll "Black Magic". Have done so on everything from dark blue, deep red, wine red, etc... as well as black coloured items and everything comes out fine.

Between the usual slate of rehearsals and gigs, plus judging music festivals and forensic speech tournaments ('tis the season), I'm in head-to-toe black much of the week...although I was tempted to say I'm dating an aging goth, LOL.

I saw the offering of Tide in the mini five dose bottles. Couldn't resist grabbing a couple. Also noticed they had a fifteen load box of powder. Think I will save the spent bottles for their cuteness factor.

Just judged a round of Storytelling at a forensic speech tournament, and one of the competitors made a washer reference in his story! Something about "...hopping around like a crazy washing machine." Wrote "Loved the visual created by your washing machine reference" on his critique sheet. #DayMade

It would be interesting to compare the ratio of cleaning ingredients in Tide "Simply" and the other Tide liquids. The same with Ordinary Ariel and Ariel Simply to see if the cleaning ingredients have been reduced in the Simply versions.

In the UK the label on the detergent gives the approximate percentage of Non Ionic and Anionic surfactants and other ingredients ( ie oxygen bleaching agents in the case of powders ) so you can get a rough estimation of how a product is likely to perform

After first receiving a completely unrelated, somewhat bewildering reply from Gain (see Reply From P&G: Whaaa? thread) that was obviously a mix-up, this pinged my inbox:

Thanks for contacting Tide, Eugene.

We appreciate your interest in our new Tide Simply Clean & Fresh, a new liquid detergent! It’s designed to give laundry consumers a great clean at a good price. At this time, the Simply Clean & Fresh is only available at a liquid. We aren't aware of any plans to make it available in a POD format. Please be assured I'm sharing your suggestion with the rest of the team.

Tide Simply Clean & Fresh is formulated to deliver a thorough clean that starts at the source of the odors. It doesn’t just cover up odors: it gets deep down into the fibers of your garments to remove the particles that cause odors. And Tide Simply Clean & Fresh is HE (high efficiency) compatible to work in any type of washing machine!

The concentration of quality cleaning ingredients in Tide Simply Clean & Fresh liquid laundry detergent allows it to be offered at a low price while providing great cleaning power and quality odor fighting. Look for it in a bright yellow bottle with an orange cap. It’s moderately priced and is generally on shelf with other detergents that are offered at a comparable price. Tide Simply Clean & Fresh is currently available in 2 scents:
• Refreshing Breeze (blue label graphics)
• Daybreak Fresh (green label graphics)

I should think Ariel Simply could be a possibility here. I doubt die hard Ariel fans would swap to Daz even if it's cheaper but would buy a "new" version of Ariel. Also I could see Ariel Simply boosting sales of Ariel stain remover in the long run. The only sticking point I could see is that at one supermarket or another Ariel is always on sale, as are the other major brands, so if Ariel Simply is release it would have to be on offer at the same time as regular Ariel.

Since Tide Simply is for both HE and traditional washers it makes me wonder what the dosing instuctions are like.

Is it only based on the load size or on load size AND type of washer ?
Both would make sense to me... Toploaders use huge amounts of water, thus more detergent would be logical. On the other hand the average amount of soil the detergent has to deal with is basically the same no matter what type of washer is used.

Last time I was in the States I checked Purex and it did not distinguish dosing for different washer types. Is it the same with Tide Simply ?

Stefan, that was another reason I didn't buy SC&F. The label does not recommend different dosages for standard toploaders and HE machines, that I could see. As with the pods, it makes no sense; either the HE machines are being drastically overdosed or the toploaders way underdosed.

It wouldn't surprise me if the HE machines were being overdosed. It's one way of selling more product than necessary, and if the suds are kept down, how could the average person tell? Meanwhile, topload users would be getting good results -- if they were being underdosed there would be complaints about poor cleaning.

Of course, with a liquid you can experiment to see what amount works best, but pods don't even give you that flexibility.

Just looked at all three of my Tide "HE" liquid detergent bottles (Free and Gentle, regular and Simply) none of them give dosages for front loading versus top loading "HE" washers. All they say is the same dosages to lines on the cap for medium (1) and large (2) loads.

P&G does this for all their liquid detergents "HE" or otherwise and it is very misleading. Most persons would assume on a dosing cap with lines marked 1-3 that the first is "small" and third "large". But no, and in fact there isn't any reference to "3" at all. Am guessing many who complain of excess detergent problems using these versions of Tide in front loaders are dosing up to the "1" line which could be too much product.

"none of them give dosages for front loading versus top loading "HE" washers."

You wouldn't expect there to be a significant dosing difference between frontloading and HE toploading washers -- but you would expect a difference for standard, non-HE toploading washers, if the same detergent is marketed for both types of machines. That's what was bothering me.

Naturally, the "HE" detergents won't give a dose for standard toploaders; this all makes sense if they're marketing a different low-suds and high-suds version. My beef is the one-size-fits-all products.

Your point about the dosage caps is well taken. I think they're deliberately misleading in an attempt to get people to use too much detergent.

Gave away my full new bottle of Tide SC&F (well minus the very small amount used for the two loads done thus far), to one of the workers in our building who was that pleased.

Maybe it is the bout of flu one has had and subsequent now head cold, but just couldn't abide the "eau de la Raid" scent of the stuff. Each time one got a whiff of "Day Break Fresh" just couldn't shake the association with bug spray. *LOL*

I just bought one of the large spout pour 96 load version of Tide Clean and Fresh. I hope it works out well. A few things Ive noticed. The detergent seems more watery than Tide original. The first load is still in the dryer and I have to add a tad more to get suds but so far I don't see anything not to like. One thing that stands out is the fragrance how ever. It is very, very strong. I used 1/4 to 1/3 a cap in my speed queen top load on high water (top row of holes because I made the water level more enjoyable :D LOL)and the fragrance is wafting through the second floor. I admit Im not a fan of fragrance but I like the scent. I will do 2 rinses just in case, run through the dryer and see how they come out.