Post by pfunk32 on Nov 11, 2013 22:49:56 GMT -5

Tejas isn't going to vote for himself, which puts Phi at an immediate disadvantage. The thing about voting for Tejas to keep things even is that there was no move to try and save him from being killed off today. If he was mafia surely someone would have evened the tally, but since I had to do it I feel like he isn't the right pick. I still have a hard time voting for Phi, because I feel like most of his moves were arbitrary or provoked. I'm gonna sleep on it and hopefully tomorrow brings a clearer mind to make a good decision.

Post by Tejas on Nov 12, 2013 0:40:18 GMT -5

Tejas isn't going to vote for himself, which puts Phi at an immediate disadvantage. The thing about voting for Tejas to keep things even is that there was no move to try and save him from being killed off today. If he was mafia surely someone would have evened the tally, but since I had to do it I feel like he isn't the right pick. I still have a hard time voting for Phi, because I feel like most of his moves were arbitrary or provoked. I'm gonna sleep on it and hopefully tomorrow brings a clearer mind to make a good decision.

Don't sweat it too much. No matter what you do your most likely killing a townie. You just have to make a choice on which townie your going to vote for. The most important thing now is to see who gets whacked. I'm guessing the mafia will set someone up to confuse the town.

Tejas > Tejas

To be perfectly honest Phi is a more experienced player than me and will help the town more than I can.

Post by ntellier85 on Nov 12, 2013 1:50:24 GMT -5

Tejas isn't going to vote for himself, which puts Phi at an immediate disadvantage. The thing about voting for Tejas to keep things even is that there was no move to try and save him from being killed off today. If he was mafia surely someone would have evened the tally, but since I had to do it I feel like he isn't the right pick. I still have a hard time voting for Phi, because I feel like most of his moves were arbitrary or provoked. I'm gonna sleep on it and hopefully tomorrow brings a clearer mind to make a good decision.

Don't sweat it too much. No matter what you do your most likely killing a townie. You just have to make a choice on which townie your going to vote for. The most important thing now is to see who gets whacked. I'm guessing the mafia will set someone up to confuse the town.

Tejas > Tejas

To be perfectly honest Phi is a more experienced player than me and will help the town more than I can.

Post by bogart on Nov 12, 2013 11:06:41 GMT -5

I am going to explain my vote since my vote, for now, is killing off tejas.

The way I see it is there are 4 possible reasons for tejas offing himself. I am going to list them in the order that I think is most likely. Keep in mind this is only using tejas's vote on himself. I always tend to feel that round 1 doesn't give enough incite into voting patterns to make a good vote at who is actually mafia.

1. Tejas is mafia, Phi is not. Why, you might ask? Simple, by putting a vote on himself it gives his mafia members a chance to spin that he could not possibly be mafia, because what mafia member is going to vote him self out round one? This would lead to a vote swing and cause phi to be voted off and tejas to be in the clear for a while going forward. I'll admit this has its flaws and to why the mafia would allow tejas in the runoff in the first place, but as far as MY theories go this one makes the most sense.

2. Tejas & phi are townies, or tejas is a townie & phi is mafia. The reason I put these two outcomes together is because if tejas is a townie he wouldn't know if phi was mafia either way. This theory relies on tejas's reasoning in that phi is more experienced therefore more worthy of living. After playing multiple games with tejas this seems very much out of character. Also like jimmy questioned why stick up for a player that you have no idea is mafia or not?

3. Tejas & phi are both mafia. Ok, this one is a stretch, because doubt the mafia would allow the runoff to get to this point. This could be more of a possibility if the two players under question were newbies, but with the amount of games phi & tejas have played I highly doubt this is the case.

4. Tejas is inspector & phi wasn't the given name. This shouldn't even be a possibility and if it were tejas is screwing the town hardcore by not giving us the names.

Post by Tejas on Nov 12, 2013 12:46:07 GMT -5

Obviously I don't know for sure if phi is a townie. But based on previous games it's almost always the case that the players in the final runoff are townies. With how easily this round went it seemed that Mafia was okay with who was in the runoff. Thus, I assume Phi is a townie. Could I be wrong, sure. But honestly I think if either me or phi have to die phi is more experienced and I believe a stronger asset for the town.

My thinking has always been what's best for the town. In my opinion if there has to be a townies death It should be the weaker player. Again, I don't know Phi's role but I believe he is a townie.

Also remember earlier when I posted and said funk should be in the final runoff because he's a rookie. Well this was the reason why. I believe all three of us were townies. Personally I would rather kill a rookie townie than 2 experienced players. However that didn't happen. Instead there was two experienced players in the day one runoff. Believe me if funk was in the runoff I wouldn't be doing this. Finally, I know it's not fair to say that funk won't be a good asset for the town if he is a townie but from previous games a players first game is typically not there best.

Post by krissyjo on Nov 12, 2013 16:29:27 GMT -5

I've been keeping up with this thread, but honestly have no strong feelings either way, so haven't added anything til now. I'm of the feeling that both are townies, for similar reasons Tejas stated, so it doesn't matter where my vote is at the moment. With that said, I agree that the more experienced player should probably continue for the betterment of the town.

Keeping my vote the same for now. Will check in again before the deadline.

Post by linana on Nov 12, 2013 17:55:33 GMT -5

Tejas may be innocent, but my gut says not to trust someone voting for himself. Tejas did something like this before, though. Let me go see if I can find which game that was in.

Mafia 62. Pages 1-2. Tejas had 2 votes, and Boneroo had 2 votes. Tejas changed his vote off Boneroo to reverse the stack, after supposedly not noticing that boneroo had a vote already, which made Tejas (himself) the only person with 2 votes. I called him on it and he said he wasn't concerned about being in possible runoffs, and the best way to show you are a townie is to do things in the interest of the town. He ended up being mafia that game.

Post by pfunk32 on Nov 12, 2013 18:26:40 GMT -5

Blugh. I don't have any inkling what the right choice is, and with my schedule for tonight I have to cast my vote now or else I'll miss the cutoff. This timing is terrible on my end.

I am of the opinion that both of you are townie, so either way I go I'm hurting us. I don't want to vote for Tejas because it doesn't make sense to kill yourself if you're mafia. I don't want to vote for Phi for the same reasons I mentioned in my last post. I could be wrong on both of these points, but I just have no clue what to do.

Fuck it. I'm not getting anywhere thinking about it and don't have any more time to not do work while I'm at work. If Tejas wants to die for the town, I'll oblige him.

Post by Mike D on Nov 12, 2013 18:44:38 GMT -5

Just chiming in, I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. The thing that I have the biggest problem with is what Tejas did makes Bogart and Pfunk's vote much less significant/hold less weight and I am not surprised they both voted Tejas after that. I can't help but think that may have been part of his intent - taking some pressure off of Pfunk or Bogart with the deciding votes.

Post by Tejas on Nov 12, 2013 20:41:13 GMT -5

Just chiming in, I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. The thing that I have the biggest problem with is what Tejas did makes Bogart and Pfunk's vote much less significant/hold less weight and I am not surprised they both voted Tejas after that. I can't help but think that may have been part of his intent - taking some pressure off of Pfunk or Bogart with the deciding votes.

I didn't even realize I was doing that by voting for myself. I won't be able to check in until after the deadline. So I guess my last words of advice would be to look at the players that voted for me and phi in the final runoff. Obviously from the mafia perspective it works in there favor to have two experienced players, because no matter who they vote for they are killing a player with experience opposed to a rookie. I'm guessing you'd find at least one mafia vote that put me and phi in the final runoff.

Post by linana on Nov 12, 2013 22:04:45 GMT -5

Just chiming in, I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. The thing that I have the biggest problem with is what Tejas did makes Bogart and Pfunk's vote much less significant/hold less weight and I am not surprised they both voted Tejas after that. I can't help but think that may have been part of his intent - taking some pressure off of Pfunk or Bogart with the deciding votes.

I didn't even realize I was doing that by voting for myself. I won't be able to check in until after the deadline. So I guess my last words of advice would be to look at the players that voted for me and phi in the final runoff. Obviously from the mafia perspective it works in there favor to have two experienced players, because no matter who they vote for they are killing a player with experience opposed to a rookie. I'm guessing you'd find at least one mafia vote that put me and phi in the final runoff.

Good luck towines. I'll be watching and rooting for you guys.

P.S.Phi I really hope you are a townie!

Edit for grammer.

Well... considering pfunk only had 2 votes, I'd say there's a very good chance you are right.

As the gang spreads out through a seedy Vegas casino, they begin eyeing each other with suspicion. As rumors swirl that Tejas and Pheezus may be members of the mysterious mafia, tension mounts. A sudden blackout leaves everyone scrambling and when the lights come on, Tejas is dead on the casino floor. Was he part of the plot or did he sacrifice himself for the good of the group? Only time will tell...

Post by krissyjo on Nov 13, 2013 0:43:46 GMT -5

Had rehearsal tonight, so just getting a chance to check in like I said I would... though it was after the deadline, not before as I had planned. Looks like I didn't miss anything. Got nothing substantial to add at the moment. Going to bed now. G'night.

Post by o'neil on Nov 13, 2013 10:20:35 GMT -5

As night begins to fall, the once-merry band of gamblers discovers that Mike D is dead. Although everyone denies being involved, suspicions continue to fester. Whispered conversations continue, as all of the innocents on the trip wonder who among them has gone over to the dark side...

Night OneVote Tally:

Votes:

Left To Vote:jimmyroomonkybunneyPheezusGbogartkrissyjoellabellelinanapfunk32

Post by Mike D on Nov 13, 2013 11:39:36 GMT -5

FYI I intended to write a reply message to Viking about the game, he sent me a PM and I was checking something here before I did and accidentally posted it here, not in a PM to him. It was not relevant to the game or changing the outcome, but I instinctively deleted it from this thread, sorry for any conspiracy theories that may arise from this

Post by Mike D on Nov 13, 2013 11:43:17 GMT -5

Ya, I had a feeling it was gonna happen . . . . and yes, it can be fun to be assisting the ref and have no idea who the roles are, done that a few times, it will really help your game in the long run too, let's you see things in a different way while still being in charge kind of.

Post by krissyjo on Nov 13, 2013 12:55:11 GMT -5

RE: The whack...

Damn.

Off the top of my head, can't think of when Mike D may have come across as inspector (going off the assumption the mafia's goal is to get rid of the inspector as soon as possible). Need to go back through and see what's what before I toss a vote on anyone.

Post by pfunk32 on Nov 13, 2013 12:58:58 GMT -5

So what do we figure is going on with the Mike D whack? Mike had a vote on Tejas from the get go and never changed, so his voting record doesn't help much unless we think that it confirms Tejas was mafia. That's shaky logic, at best.

Voting aside, the only person Mike posted about being suspicious was me. I guess that means the mafia might try and frame me as the last remaining connection to the whack, or they won't if they want to keep us rookies around. We'll just have to see where the votes go.

The other thing I consider is that Mike D is one of the most highly regarded mafia players on here, so it makes sense to kill him off even if he wasn't pressing the mafia's buttons during the first round.

Those are my thoughts at this point. Wanna read over a few more things before I cast a vote.