A: Yes, Id be
glad to Beth. Im from a family that placed high value on getting an education.
Even though my parents had only a high school education, they wanted a college
education for both my sister and myself. They taught us human values at a very
early age. Im from a background of spiritual upbringing, emphasis upon
high morals, reputation, and leadership by example. The puritan work ethic was
impressed on the minds of both my sister and myself. An important factor as
we went through life.

Q: Would you discuss your college education and preparation
for entering the field of teaching and please include the number of years you
served as a teacher and a principal?

A: I have a BS degree in Industrial Technology
and a Masters Degree in Industrial Education and additional courses for endorsement
as an administrator.

Q: I wonder if you would discuss those experiences or events
in your life that constituted important decision points in your career and how
you feel about them now.

A: Had a very positive experience
in both elementary and high school. We were under very strict and disciplined
program in both of these areas. I had the desire to play a part in helping young
people grow in knowledge and wisdom in all of the academic areas. It was necessary
for me to leave the education profession for eight years and enter the industrial
field for financial reasons. (Which were mainly low teacher salaries.) This
is good in that this would also open my eyes to the real world outside the classroom.
Given the same set of circumstances, I would make the same decision today.

Q: Would
you talk about the circumstances surrounding your entry into the principalship?

A: There are probably many, however, I guess the main was a desire to help
students have the opportunity to become productive citizens who would eventually
be contributors in all aspects of society. My motive never really changed over
the years.

Q: What motivated you to enter the principalship and how did your
motives change over the years?

A: After many years as a teacher it was evident
that many administrators seem to lose sight of the meaning and mission of education.
They became involved in playing the game. Whether it be political
or whatever. And failed to exhibit the right kind of leadership, leadership
be example. Therefore, I felt that I too would like to become an administrator
and make a difference in young peoples lives.

Q: Would you take us on
a walk through your school, describing its appearance and any unusual
features of the building?

A: It is a building that is immaculately clean, well-lit,
a faculty that is dressed professionally, not in blue jeans, sweatshirts. You
can walk down the hall and see teachers teaching, kids enjoying being in their
class, working, time on task, bell-to-bell. A very pleasing sight to any administrator.

Q: What experiences I your professional life influenced you management philosophy?

A: I guess the puritan work ethic that I was raised with probably impacted
it more than anything. However, I feel that my experience in industry for eight
after I left the teaching profession and came back into it impacted my philosophy
and management practices more than anything else. I feel that all teachers today
should have some experience outside the classroom in order that they become
better teachers.

Q: Makes sense to me! Well, what kinds of things do teachers
expect principals to be able to do? Describe your views on what it takes to
be an effective principal, describing the personal and professional characteristics
of a quote "good principal".

A: On the light side I guess sometimes
teachers think principals can walk on water. But, not necessarily so. Theyre
human also. To be an affective principal one must always be willing to listen.
And to assess all facts that are presented and then make a fair decision. Fairness
is most important to the teacher as well as the student and the parent. If youre
fair you cannot be faulted.

Q: As a follow up question, would you describe the
expectations, both professional and personal, that were placed upon principals
by their employers and the community during your period of employment. How do
those expectations differ from todays situation? (Even though you only
retired in 1995.)

A: I guess expectations were high for a principal from both
the community and Board of Education. You were expected to be on the job, on
time and be there after the students had left many times. In order to meet with
parents who maybe had a problem or wanted to discuss a particular situation
about their child.

Q: How is that different from today do you think, or is it
that different?

A: Parents today expect their children to make As and
Bs. They might not necessarily by A and B material but the parents expect
it. I think they feel that we need to reassess our grade system. We need to
set our standards high, we need to require the students meet these standards.
But students are never going to meet these standards until we get the support
of the parents.

Q: Cultural diversity is a topic of great interest and concern
at this point in time. Would you discuss the nature of your student body and
comment on the problems, challenges, and triumphs in which you participated
while serving as a principal?

A: Cultural diversity is a major topic today.
However, it has always been there, it has always been with us. For example,
we had a march, black students decided at our school that they were not going
to abide by the rules and regulations as set forth by the Student Conduct Code.
Incidentally, it was led by two particular individuals that had recently transferred
into our school from across the state line in Tennessee. The school board was
very, very adamant in that all students would abide by the same rules and stood
behind administration and the problem was resolved and the two students responsible
for the problems that occurred soon left our school. Because they found out
that they could not run our school as they had done before.

Q: This was in Bristol,
Virginia. So we need to mention that Bristol is a split city. Part
is on the Tennessee side of the state line and part is on the Virginia side
of the state line.

A: Correct.

Q: So the two students that led the march came
from Tennessee High, is that correct?

A: That is correct, Tennessee High, correct.

Q: So still in the same city, just across the state line, correct?

A: Right.

Q: Could you please describe your normal work day? How did you spend your time?
What was the normal number of hours per week you put in, if there is such a
thing as a normal or average number for a principal?

A: Workdays started at 7am in the morning and went through at least 4 pm in
the afternoon. Students arrived at school for the first period class at 7:45
and were dismissed at 2:35 in the afternoon. The normal workday started with
me being in the hall when the students arrived in the morning. To be visible
letting them know that they had an administrator that was interested in them
and that was keeping an eye on things. I think this is most important. The visibility
of any administrator. Stop the students in the hall, talk with them. This is
important. Let them know that you care. If you are behind closed doors in your
office. Youre never seen. They soon get the attitude that no one really
cares, no one is really interested. Also, your teachers know that you are out
and visible and know what is going on and you seem to encounter very few problems
if you are highly visible at all times. After classes got started then it was
back into the office to take care of state reports. To take care of discipline
problem when I was a principal. When I was director, of course, it was more
paperwork and I had a principal under me who took care of all of the discipline.
Meetings with civic organizations, luncheons, these kinds of things. And you
had your advisory counsels you had to meet with periodically. Each particular
subject area had their advisory counsel and there was an overall advisory counsel
for the total vocational program. Number of hour per week, if youre in
this business youre not a clock watcher. You cannot be. You have a job
to do , you do your job regardless of the number of hours required of you.

Q: You
had to be there from 7 until 4 so that would give you at least a minimum of
a 45 hour week.

A: Yeah.

Q: Now there were some times, I remember you were
working, not as the director but when you first went to Bristol, Virginia. Your
had night classes on Tuesday and Thursday nights.

A: Right.

Q: How did that
work? It was part of the vocational department, right?

A: It was the adult
education program at Virginia High School. The GED program was every Tuesday
and Thursday night from 6:30 until 9:30. Then we also had special interest classes
meeting the needs of the community. Both educationally and as hobbies.

Q: Like
cake decorating, flower arranging, that type thing?

A: Yeah.

Q: And that was
part of your duties as assistant director or as principal?

A: As principal.

Q: Okay.

A: Right.

Q: Okay. Another question, would you describe some of the
pressures that you faced on a daily basis and explain how you coped with them.
Maybe some of the biggest headaches or concerns on the job. Or some of the toughest
decisions that you had to make?

A: I guess the biggest headache that I had
was adequate funding to carry on the vocational programs. Vocational education,
as Im sure you are familiar with, requires a tremendous amount of equipment
and supplies. That maybe a social studies class or an english class or mathematics
program does not require. So I guess finances, being sure that we had adequate
funding and up-to-date and modern equipment to train our students with would
be the biggest headache.

Q: Would you tell us about the key to your success
as a principal?

A: Understanding, fairness, truthfulness, high expectations.
These would be four or five things that I feel go to make up a good administrator.
Let people know you area about them. Ask about their family occasionally. If
a mother or father has been ill ask how their family is getting along. And truly,
truly mean it when you ask them. If its just for the sake of asking, dont
even bother. They can tell when you are serious or when youre concerned.

Q: You mentioned ethics and truthfulness quite a bit. Could you discuss your
personal code of ethics and give examples of how you applied it during your
career?

A: I guess it comes from my upbringing as a child, as a youngster.
Emphasis was placed upon reputation. A small, rural community, a mans
word was his bond. And I still believe that today even after Ive retired.
I believe in the Puritan work ethic as I mentioned a moment ago. I think weve
lost this down through the years in the schools. The sooner we can return to
that dedication and devotion to whatever profession were in, then were
gonna get the job done. Good things are gonna happen. They dont happen
without effort.

Q: Please discuss some aspects of your personal training which
best prepared you for the principalship and which training experiences were
least useful once you got your feet wet and were on the job?

A: I think good
administrators are born. You do not necessarily, you are not necessarily a good
administrator because you have taken x number of courses. Ive seen some
very highly educated individuals who are very poor administrators. However,
Im not saying that some training is not required. It is necessary to become
a good manager, a good administrator.

Q: What types of classes or activities
helped you the most, that you felt helped you the most, as you became an administrator.

A: School Finance is a good one.

Q: Okay.

A: Cause youre gonna
be managing monies allocated to your department or to your particular area.
School Law is most important in that youve got to know what you can do
and what you cant do. Youve got to know where the boundaries and
parameters are. You do not want to step over the line and get yourself in a
crack so to speak.

Q: What were some of the classes or activities that you did
that you found to be the least useful once you became a principal?

A: A lot
of history and philosophy of education program courses. Useless waste of time.
Some courses had a lot of frills with no substance.

Q: Did you have a personnel
management class?

A: I did not, I received my management and personnel training
in industry that helped tremendously. Worked in industry. Worked as a production
supervisor and we had a union shop. And you will learn personnel management
right quick out on the floor.

Q: If you had to do it again, what kinds of things
would you do to better prepare yourself for the principalship?

A: I dont
know that I would do anything any different than what we have already discussed.

Q: Okay.

A: I feel that I was well trained as an administrator.

Q: Would you
describe your feelings, knowing what you now know, about entering the principalship
yourself if given the opportunity to start again?

A: I wouldnt change.

Q: For example when you walked in the first day on the job as a principal. New
school, new faculty, you dont know anybody. What would you do?

A: I would
go in and of course if I didnt know anyone, I would shake hands, introduce
myself to each individual and begin asking a few questions to learn more about
those folks who are gonna be my subordinates that are gonna be actually doing
the job of educating the youngsters. An administrator never educated a child
in his life. Once he or she leaves the classroom that one-on-one contact with
the student is gone. Youll meet them in the halls or if theyve been
sent to the office for discipline reasons. About the only time you come in contact
with those students. And thats most unfortunate. However, I feel you need
to place a, more emphasis on getting to know the people that do the job for
you and support them in getting the job done.

Q: Okay. If you were advising
a person who is considering an administrative job, what would your advice be?

A: Go for it.

Q: Why?

A: On the condition that this is really what you want
and that you will be, or feel that you are capable of being a good manager and
are truly interested in the educational benefit. If not, get out of it and go
get you a job somewhere else.

Q: Well, there are those that argue that a principal
should be an instructional leader and then there are those that insist that
above all a principal should be a good manager. Would you give your views on
this issue and describe your own style?

A: A principal has to be both an instructional
leader and a manager. I do not see how you could be one without the other and
be an effective administrator. You must be able to know that the right type
of instruction is taking place in your school. You cannot depend on teachers
to be your instructional people and not know what they are supposed to be doing.
And neither can you not be a good manager because administration is management.

Q: Would you describe the ideal requirements for principal certification and
then describe the appropriate procedures for screening those who wish to become
principals?

A: I do not know exactly what the ideal requirements for principal
certification should be. In some cases ideal requirements for an administrator
might be one thing whereas in another area it might be different. As far as
discussing the appropriate procedures for screening, I think the academic background,
grades that one receives in the administrative training should be considered.
Personality should be considered. The desire to be fully and totally dedicated
as an individual to that position if one would be lucky enough to be appointed
to that position would be most important. Im finding myself rambling here
a little bit.

Q: Well lets imagine that you are a director of personnel
or a superintendent. And youre searching for a principal for a middle
school in a county much like Washington County, where you live. And lets
say its a middle school that has approximately 500 students grades six
through eight. What kind of characteristics would you like for that principal
to have?

A: Of course would want that individual to have experience as a teacher,
probably at middle school or high school. Would be looking for an individual
that would fit into and become a part of the community. Would also expect that
individual to have done well in the training to become a principal. Would also
talk with the professors in the classes that this individual took to get their
opinion. See if this individual had worked outside of the school system for
which he would be applying for a job. I would have him, I would talk with the
personnel or the superintendent for the school division from which he would
be leaving. To try to find out why. Be it a number of things that could be considered.

Q: Do you think its necessary for an effective principal to have taught
at the level that they want to be an administrator in?

A: It would definitely
be a plus for that individual. But not necessarily.

Q: Well it has been said
that there is a home-school gap and that more parental involvement with the
schools needs to be developed. You eluded to that a little earlier in some of
your statements. Would you give your view on this issue and describe how you
interacted with parents and with citizens who were important to the well-being
of the school?

A: What do you mean by home-school gap?

Q: That similar to what
you said earlier, parents think their students should make, their children should
make all As and Bs. They dont. Theres a difference between
what the parents feel the students should learn and what they actually do in
school. Theres a difference between

A: Yes I guess there is a
home-school gap today. However, I question how much parental involvement there
should be in schools. You know, we are the educators. And supposedly, we know
what content should be taught and to what extent. And today many parents are
not up on modern technology and so forth. However, they have a tendency to want
to tell us how we need to be doing our job. Now we, when we get to that point
then we have created a lot of problems. Yes, we need to have our parents involved
in the education of their students in a manner that they are gonna be supportive
at home. However, they must understand that we are the educators, were
doing the job and it is , most important that we as dedicated and I say dedicated
educators are doing that job. If were not were creating problems
not only for ourselves but were creating problems for the parents and
the students all.

Q: Could you discuss your style of personnel management.
For example, what approaches did you employ that contributed to your effectiveness
as a manager.

A: First of all I tried to be very straight-forward. Not mealy-mouthed
and what I told one individual I would tell another. Do not talk about one teacher
to another teacher. Thats absolutely a no-no. Let my personnel know what
I expected of them from the time they arrived until the time they left. Their
life after school is theirs, it is none of the schools business as to
what they engaged in or what they did. I would hope however, that they would
be a model citizen in the community. I think that contributes to the total package
as far as an educator is concerned. What I would do as far as a personnel person,
you have to treat each person as an individual. What you might do regarding
one individual would be totally different from the way you handled the second
individual.

Q: What would you do, say you found you had a teacher who was working
for you who was tenured, but was not getting the job done. And had not for some
time. You were a new principal and walked into that situation?

A: First of
all I do not agree with the tenure law in the state of Virginia. A good teacher
never has to worry about whether theyre going to have a job the following
school year. That job is there is they are good at their job. I had an incident
where I did not renew the contract of a non-tenured individual. Because of actions
within his program. And I would also start the procedure of dismissal for an
individual who wasnt doing their job, that was tenured. First of all,
you would give a verbal warning, maybe once, maybe twice. After giving the verbal
warning I would give them a written warning. Give them a copy, send a copy to
the superintendent, of course. Would have the superintendent review the warning,
the written warning before I gave that to the individual teacher that was involved.
Would also probably consult with or have the superintendent consult with the
divisions lawyer to be sure that we were in order and in compliance with
the grievance procedure within the school division and the code where we would
be working. And, would definitely take steps to dismiss that person.

Q: It has been said by some people
that good personnel managers encourage their subordinates and peers by staging
celebrations on their successes. To what extent did you engage in this practice
during your tenure as principal, and to what extent did it improve morale and
organizational effectiveness? Or did this occur?

A: Were not in the education
business to have parties. Now that might seem a bit harsh. However, at faculty
meetings I always attempted to have refreshments. Food. Sit around and talk
for about eight to ten minutes. Fellowshipping with each other. I think this
helps build morale and encourage teamwork. At the beginning of school we would
try to have a cookout on a workday. Probably a luncheon at Thanksgiving and
Christmas. Sometime in the spring we would have something at the end of school.
A luncheon or get together and it not really be school. But, weve got
to understand one thing, weve got a job to do. Were all in it together
and were gonna do that job. And once , if you ever set the tone or the
atmosphere that youve got a country club atmosphere within your school,
then youre asking for problems. You do this off the cuff and you dont
let people ever get in the position of expecting these kinds of things. You
do it unexpectedly. And lots of times that means more than getting into the
routine of something.

Q: Some principals believe that teachers and other staff
members are well-motivated and reliable self-starters. And others feel that
they have to closely monitor the activities of all their employees. What approach
did you customarily use during your administrative career?

A: You have to monitor
all of your teachers. Youve got to learn who is a self-starter and who
isnt. The self-starter doesnt need a lot of leadership from administration.
However, those who are not self-starters have to be motivated in some way. By
knowing your teachers youll know the correct way to motivate the individual.
But one thing is always necessary, theyve got to know that you expect
them to get the job done. And as an administrator, one must always set deadlines.
Dont set, never set a deadline that you dont intend to keep. And
when those deadlines are not met by the subordinates, then they need to be confronted
immediately, not a day later.

Q: Would you describe your approach to teacher
evaluation and give your philosophy of evaluation?

A: In many cases teacher
evaluations are jokes. Theyre not worth the paper that theyre written
on. They could be. All teachers expect an excellent or to be evaluated on the
top end of the scale. And then youve got your hands full if you give a
teacher a bad mark. So many times administrators just go ahead, cut out the
hassle, give everybody a good rating and everybodys happy and everybody
scratches everybody elses back and we go on our merry way. And as long
as we have tenure within the state of Virginia, or in any other state, were
never gonna be able to get a true teacher evaluation to work. Thats why
Im opposed to tenure. And be very candid in your evaluations. Call it
as you see it. Dont go out with an ax to grind when evaluating a teacher.
Never do that.

Q: Following up on your tenure comment, most systems presently
have tenure or the continuing contract system for teachers especially in the
state of Virginia. Would you discuss this situation at the time you entered
the profession as a teacher and then as an administrator and comment on the
strengths and weaknesses of such a system?

A: When I started teaching in 1959
there was no such thing as tenure in the state of Virginia. But our professional
educational organizations have pushed for this and have gotten it within the
state. I guess what brought it on is the fact that administrators werent
really fair with the teachers. Or some teachers years ago and this is what prompted
it, what brought it on. On the other hand, many teachers who leave a lot to
be desired as educators, use this tenure law to hide behind, protect their job,
and wait on a paycheck at the end of every month. There are positives and negatives
on both sides and I guess administration as well as teachers have brought it
on and together were responsible for something that, in my opinion, is
not really good. On the other hand, as protection for a teacher it is good.
I feel like everybody should do their job. If they do we have no need for a
tenure law. Treat people fairly and in a manner in which they should be treated.
Be respectful.

Q: To follow up a little more on the tenure law, can you discuss
teacher dismissal and some of your involvements in these types of activities
in a little more detail?

A: As I mentioned a moment ago I had to dismiss a
non-tenured teacher. And it was all based on whats right and whats
wrong as far as setting an example for young people. And the language that was
used in a classroom. And I was supported by the superintendent after I had given
about three written warnings.

Q: The documentation helped you with dismissal.

A: Oh definitely, document every single incident exactly as it happened, as
it occurred, as it was said, verbatim.

Q: What if you have an instance in a
classroom where it is the teachers word against a students word. Its a
teacher that youve already had warnings cited to. What would you do in
that case? You hadnt heard the comments in class but students had and
parents were complaining.

A: I would be inclined to always want to support
my teacher. You know, as an administrator its always wise to support the
teacher. However, if you have had reason in the past to doubt that teacher.
If there are things that you see personally and know for a fact is true, then
you have to let the teacher be on their own. You cant stick your neck
out for a teacher that is not willing to do what is correct or what is expected
of him or her as their administrator. And in this particular instance, where
I released this individual, I had the facts, I knew that things were going on
in the classroom that the principal had encountered. A parent came in with,
or both parents came in with the student. And I called the teacher to the office,
we sat down and we discussed the situation. And I told the teacher there in
front of the parents that I could not and would not support him.

Q: But he had
already had the warning?

A: Yes. He had already had written warning. And he
had made a comment about the clothes, the clothing that the student was wearing.
And so happened this youngster was from a deprived home and this is about all
that the kid had to wear.

Q: Taking into account this situation, this teacher
was non-tenured. Would it have been more difficult, do you feel, to have a dismissal
of this teacher had they been tenured. Would the superintendent, in your opinion,
have been as willing to back you in this situation.

A: I dont know whether
the superintendent would have been as willing to have backed me. In this situation
if this individual had of been tenured. However, I would have fought just as
hard to have dismissed a tenured teacher as I would have a non-tenured teacher.
As far as teacher dismissal is concerned, my personal feeling is tenured or
non-tenured, makes no difference to me. I will dismiss one as quickly as the
other, circumstances being the same.

Q: To switch gears a little bit, during
the past decade, schools have become a lot larger. Please discuss your views
on this phenomenon and suggest an ideal size for a school in terms of optimal
administrative and instructional activities. You can discuss number of faculty,
staff and administration going on with that ideal school size.

A: First of
all, a faculty of about 25 to 30 with a principal and director of vocational
education is an ideal size faculty to work with. You know the people, you know
the faculty and you get a good job done day in, day out. That would amount to
approximately 350 to 400 students. Of course, vocational education and class
sizes are smaller because of safety concerns.

Q: So this would be a vocational

A: This would be a vocational faculty of 25. It seems as though you can get
to know your teacher, you can get to know your students, you can meet their
needs. You can give them a good solid education.

Q: There has traditionally
been a commitment in this country to the principle of the universal free public
education for all. It began back in the 1800s, I believe. Would you give
your views on this concept and indicate your feelings on the practicality of
such an approach in this day and time?

A: Everyone seems to have an opinion
on this matter. The country club class, the rich would rather send their youngsters
to private schools. On the other hand, I believe that everyone is entitled to
an education, a free public education. And they should have it. I feel that
we have created in public education many of our own problems in that some people
feel that their child is not getting a good education in the public schools
of the nation. Therefore, they have to send them to a private school. Some people
feel that their children are too good to associate with the average and the
lower class.

Q: What about home schooling?

A: I am opposed to home schooling.

Q: Why?

A: Why? I do not feel that a home-schooled student, now Im not
saying in every instance, but I do not feel that a home-schooled child would
get a quality education that they would receive in a public school. Because
of their, one thing the technology thats available in our schools today,
that is not available in the home.

Q: Given the presence of administrative complexity,
if there were three areas of administration that you could change in order to
improve the efficiency and effectiveness of educational administration, what
would they be?

A: First I would dismiss all administrators that werent
truly devoted and dedicated to being a public school administrator. Thats
the first thing I would do. Second thing I would do, is that I would give the
administrators more authority when it comes to the operation of their school.
And along with giving them more authority, I would make them more accountable.
And with more authority and more accountability, of course I would raise their
pay.

Q: That goes along with the idea of site-based management.

A: Right. The
third thing, let me think a minute.

Q: Take your time.

A: The third thing
I would do of course, I would expect them to be good managers or they wouldnt
be there. I would expect them to be instructional leaders. I would want to see
a manager and an instructional leader rolled into one in order to be an effective
administrator.

Q: As a follow up question, if you could change any three areas
in the curriculum or the overall operations of American schools, what would
they be?

A: I think today, in todays school, we are a bit outdated in
that we are still teaching, some of our older teachers maybe, are still teaching
content thats not relevant to todays society. With the computer
age here you have great opportunity to move forward at a much more rapid pace
than we have had in the past. The body of knowledge is growing so rapidly now
that we cant keep up with it in the classroom in the way we used to. So
were definitely gonna have to turn to technology to get this done. I would
get off of this kick of everyone must go to college. There is only a need for
about 15% of our high school graduates need a college education, baccalaureate
degree today with the jobs that are out there. We need more training as far
as high tech is concerned. And we need to get this idea of a college education
for everyone out of our minds. Lets live in the real world. I know in
our particular area, and from the high school where I was, we were turning out
about 65-70% of our graduates each year going on to college. At the end of that
first, you find out that 40% of that 60 or 65 have already dropped out of college
and are not in college anymore. So everybody thinks that if you get a good college
education, they find out after they get there, they cant hack it. And
Im not against a college education, dont get me wrong, I got one
myself and I feel that we just need to do a better job in guidance, directing
each youngster. And being up front with the youngsters and the parents. The
third thing I would change if I had an opportunity would be management funds
within a school division. I think many times that the money management leaves
a lot to be desired. Were not spending our money in a manner that were
getting out ten cents worth value out of every dime. We should not foolishly
be wasting money on materials that are not up to standard. And of course it
would make things harder, we have people who are putting in time and it would
make things harder and make a drain on the big school budgets. I think we just
need to do a better job of managing our monies across the board within each
school division.

Q: Since you have now had some time to reflect on your career,
I wonder if you would share with us what you consider to be your administrative
strengths and weaknesses?

A: My sincere concern and desire that every student
be educated to their level of intelligence. Was always fair with everyone that
I knew. Was always willing to help or assist in any way that I could. I would
never ask a teacher to do something I wouldnt do.

Q: To your weaknesses
as a school leader.

A: If one is an egotistical, self-centered individual,
I guess they would feel that they didnt have any weaknesses. But Ive
never seen a human being with strengths but what they didnt have a weakness.
I feel that my weakness as an administrator was that I really didnt have
the time to spend in the instructional areas evaluating curriculum. In order
that I was sure that it was relevant to society today. Another weakness I feel,
is that I, and I dont know whether we would call it a weakness or not,
is that I didnt have an opportunity to be with the young people as much
as I would like to have been. Because I feel there is where an impact can be
made. Sometimes I feel that I didnt have enough time to discuss programs
with teachers. To see what , I didnt have the time to talk to them, to
really let them voice their opinion maybe. You know, I listened to them. But
I didnt have the time to really sit down and discuss things in detail
with them. And I think that a good teacher likes to do that to be sure that
both of you are on the same page. These are things, I dont know whether
they are really weaknesses, but theyre things that administrators need
to do. They have to do in order to have a real effective program. I did a lot
of this but I would like to have had time to have done more.

Q: Would you discuss
the circumstances leading up to your decision to retire at the time you did,
giving your reasons and the mental processes you exercised in reaching your
decision to step down?

A: I feel like after eight years in industry and thirty
years in education that an individual needs to look at retirement. I think it
is an individual kind of thing. And I think it is a sign of wisdom when an individual
can make that decision himself rather than having someone else make it for them.
After all of these years one becomes maybe a little tired. There are others
out there, young people today, that hopefully are going to be able to move in
a pick up where I leave off. And this is the educational process, thats
what we as educators should be doing. We should have educated those to the point
that they can move right in and move forward as we have done in the last thirty
years for the next thirty years they can move it even further. And thats
the process. And I feel like that we have capable people to do that.

Q: Would
you give us an overall comment on the pros and cons of administrative service,
and any advice that you would wish passed along to todays principals,
or future principals?

A: There a lot of pros and a lot of cons in the administrative
business. First of all, long hours. Administrators are not compensated adequately
sometimes I feel. As are teachers as well, when you compare it with industry.
There are many administrators out there that are there in name only. They shouldnt
be. The pros as far as being an effective administrator, if you have done the
job that is expected of you and as you truly want to get done, it is rewarding.
You have reached a child, you have made life better for that young person, and
his family in years to come. Today I can meet students that I had in the classroom
thirty years ago that come up and relate experiences that they had in my class
that I had forgotten. I can remember faces, I cant remember all of those
names. I mean, 5 classes a day, 25-30 students per class for 30 years, can you
remember them all? You cant. But its rewarding to have that young
person, that person come up and say "Mr. Wright, do you remember when you
said so and so?" One example, a young man came up a few years ago and I
never will forget it. He said, "Mr. Wright do you remember the day we walked
into your class and you told us that if you act like children I will treat
you as a child, if you act like an adult, I will treat you as an adult?
" He said, "Mr. Wright, you made me feel like a man that day. I never
will forget that." I had already forgotten that until he related it to
me. And you know what, that meant a lot to me to know that hey, I made a man
out of a little boy that day.

Q: And he remembered what you said.

A: And he
remembered what I said. I had forgotten it but he refreshed my memory. And I
do remember saying that. I said that to all of the young people that came into
my class, I guess. So there are many rewards out there in being a teacher or
an administrator and I would say to any individual that is looking to become
an administrator or principal, or supervisor in the educational field to first
dedicate themselves to that calling. If they cannot dedicate themselves to it
and they do not have it in their heart to give 110% please dont mess up
a group of teachers or the lives of young people. Stay out of it. Go find you
something else to do where you will not stand a chance of impacting them in
the wrong way. Or destroying a school, upsetting the school and its routine
and its goals. Stay out of it. But if you are really and truly dedicated to
it and will give of yourself then I wish you well.

Q: Despite my best efforts
to be comprehensive in my questioning, there is probably something I have left
out. What have I not asked that I should have? Or are there any comments that
you would additionally like to make?

A: It looks like you have been rather
comprehensive. But of all of these questions that you have asked, there will
be a few that will come up when you get into the administrative field that havent
been answered by any professor, by any written text or by anyone else. But using
good judgement, drawing on your wisdom and your experiences, you can have, you
will have made a good decision, you will have answered a question.

Q: Well, thank you for your time and for giving us this interview for
class. And this concluded the interview March 17, 2000 with D.L. Wright, retired
Director of Vocational Education from Bristol Virginia City Public Schools.
Thanks Dad!