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Funny, in a thread a week or so ago about why Cam gets no respect, I specifically said that he doesn't get the attention we all feel he deserves because of the cast (or lack of) around him. Some dude came up to challenge me on it, and got pied out the ass for his comments wondering why in the hell would I even bring up the defense in a discussion about why Cam doesn't get positive national media attention. Forget the fact our defense has carried us the past two seasons....LOL.

2. While true Cam has been lacking in weapons, this guy seems to suggest that if Luck, Manning,..etc didnt have the weapons they have, there would be a difference, Its a TEAM sport, and regardless of how talented one given player may be...people only care about the TEAM in the sense that TEAMS win games. Cam is great and has done more than can be mentioned here to help the team, but at the end of the day we arent that great as a TEAM...so I fail to see why people not familiar with our TEAM would look at our TEAM and heap roses upon Cam. In short, as great as Cam is/could be...he will only be as great (and get respect for it) based on TEAM performance. Everyone knows a stout front and a couple great receivers that can run routes well and catch the ball more times than not will make just about ANY QB look like a star. Knowing that nearly everyone here has admitted such themselves when talking about other lesser QB's...why would it be a wonder that Cam being as awesome as he is.. not being able to shine because of a lack of that supporting cast?

3. I said it earlier I think in preseason, and I got alot of crap for it (and probably will again, but thats ok) that Cam is not the star of this team. Sure, he is the QB and the one that gets most of the attention, but star in terms of performance he is not. That honor goes to 59 and honorable mention to 58.. I really hate how this guys talks about what the TEAM has done last season and this season, and uses it to justify his position about Cam, and completely forgets the fact that our success last year and for the most part this year as well as a TEAM came from the defense...not Cam. Of course Cam played a major role, but I will keep repeating this is a TEAM. To go even further, based on the last two seasons, I would say that if our defense had not played as well as it has over the last few seasons...NOONE would be talking about Cam because we wouldn't have been relevant anyway.

4. Frankly, I dont want the national media talking about how great Cam is. Why? Because Cam has a big contract signing coming up. The more "good" attention Cam gets talking about how great he is and how valuable of a player he is just ups the figure his agent will fight for come negotiation time, or what other teams may offer him (that we may not be willing/able to offer him). Let Cam get signed first...and THEN lets fight and moan about him not getting respect. The lack of respect he is getting now may very well save this team millions in cap room per season in the coming years.

In the end, I dont think the media has "hate" for Cam. I just think they don't recognize what he has, can, and will do. Cam will go on and do great things with us no doubt, but I could not care less about what the national media things (like almost everyone here who craps on what national media says/reports.

Man I just hate how we come off a dominating win and take the division..yet some are already crapping and finding fault with our team before the season for us is even over!

Seriously, you knuckleheads will have 6 months to lay down your gripes and make stupid ass threads about this or that player in time. How about supporting the team (and ALL its members) while we try to make a run in the playoffs?

Heaven knows if I had admin powers, I'd ban this OP for even bringing such stupid mess up! Get over it...what he deserves doesn't mean a darn thing right now!

Forget all the stuff about injuries, Hardy, cap situation, key player retirements and cuts last season, Cams surgery/injuries....etc. I know many want to see him go regardless, but i find if ironic that we give a pass to a player to "grow" into a position, but the same isnt given to a coach.

Throwing a new coach into the system just changes everything with the chemistry the team is finally beginning to build. Given to that, we have quite a few very key players on the roster that may decide that its better to just end their career with the end of a coaching regime rather than go through the whole transition years ago (Kalil and TD come to mind)

Some people around here were creaming themselves with wanting to hire Lovie. Look how that has turned out for TB..lol. RR may not be a great coach, and he may never be...but considering where we were at when he was hired, and the momentum the team has gained since then...I dont see a reason to get rid of him just yet. Sure we may not be skyrocketing, but we have been steadily improving in terms of management, players and coaches...and setting ourselves up for serious contention. Every year we have steadily improved our record. This year is obviously different, but that is somewhat offset that we are in contention for a division title and playoffs despite the record.

I like RR. I'd hate to see him go before a good maturation period of his style and management of the players has taken root.

I don't think it matters whether he did it or not, or the lady was coked up (or both of them) or not

Right or wrong he was found guilty. That is all that people are concerned about. It isn't speculation or rumor...its a situation where the law has already spoken.

I dont want to lose Hardy! I want him to play the season...etc etc, but yeah I can understand why the media is honing in on him...and if he played for any other team (particularly the Saints or Falcons, few here would have a problem with the national media focus.

What was published on the panthers site was that during stretching Cam left and went inside. Bad sources, my apologies to everyone.

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You arent wrong and no need to apologize. People seem to ignore the fact that RR refused to say whether or Cam cam actually made passes Thursday, and also seem to miss the fact that he said "the reps we wanted him to take"

There is a big difference between the reps a healthy Cam takes, and the reps an injured QB take suffering through soreness of a fractured rib.

Cam took some reps..yes. But I will bet money they were not the same kind of "reps" he would have been doing were he not injured. Therefore, the reps some speak of to justify his readiness falls flat

Forgive me for not diving a darn about what past QB's did with their own injuries.

I'm more concerned with our QB whom is supposed to lead our team into the future, the QB whom hasnt really been able to practice and play at 100% because of the surgery during camp and the preseason, and the QB whom RR cant seem to control to the point that he puts himself out there to get hit/reinjured again.

I'm not a fan of other QB's. I'm a fan of OUR team and care far more about our future to not base what Cam can or should do off comparisons of what others have done. Too many factors dictate such situations