Countertrey wrote:Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM

He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM"

So they took him out of the equation altogether....

The fact that the Redskins included the union in the grievance triggered the procedure that allows the teams to avoid a situation in which Commissioner Goodell resolves the matter. Instead, a true outsider will determine whether the action complied with the terms and/or the spirit of the labor deal.

Deadskins wrote:There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration.

I actually think this will get resolved at the owners meeting starting today or tomorrow. Dan and JJ will force the owners to take a vote to make this cap hit official. The NFL won't get the required votes and the cap his will quietly go away. This is the best case situation for the NFL. The Skins and Cowgirls have already felt some punishment, by having to alter their FA plans. The NFL got their pound of flesh (vice the the arm and leg) they wanted and the Skins and Cowgirls get their cap back and come out looking like they won.

I think this just goes away.

That's step #1 and it may in there, if not it's on to arbitration (step #2) if neither option gets this resolved step three would be to take the league to court.

The only hold up to the owners resolving by a vote is the $1.6M the owners may have to give back, and what to do about the 2012 cap (considering it would have been around $114M if the room hadn't been taken from the teams.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Cowboys and Redskins have filed a formal grievance against the NFL, the NFL Management Council, and the NFL Players Association challenging the agreement to remove and redistribute cap space allocated to the Cowboys and Redskins in exchange for increasing the total salary cap for 2012 to $120.6 million per team.

Not many details currently are known about the grievance. The other 30 teams will receive a full briefing this week, at the league meetings in Florida.

Deadskins wrote:There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration.

I actually think this will get resolved at the owners meeting starting today or tomorrow. Dan and JJ will force the owners to take a vote to make this cap hit official. The NFL won't get the required votes and the cap his will quietly go away. This is the best case situation for the NFL. The Skins and Cowgirls have already felt some punishment, by having to alter their FA plans. The NFL got their pound of flesh (vice the the arm and leg) they wanted and the Skins and Cowgirls get their cap back and come out looking like they won.

I think this just goes away.

That's step #1 and it may in there, if not it's on to arbitration (step #2) if neither option gets this resolved step three would be to take the league to court.

The only hold up to the owners resolving by a vote is the $1.6M the owners may have to give back, and what to do about the 2012 cap (considering it would have been around $114M if the room hadn't been taken from the teams.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Cowboys and Redskins have filed a formal grievance against the NFL, the NFL Management Council, and the NFL Players Association challenging the agreement to remove and redistribute cap space allocated to the Cowboys and Redskins in exchange for increasing the total salary cap for 2012 to $120.6 million per team.

Not many details currently are known about the grievance. The other 30 teams will receive a full briefing this week, at the league meetings in Florida.

Countertrey wrote:Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM

He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM"

This is a silly response, that is, essentially, non-responsive. Goodell, first of all, did not make this call. Mara did.

Second, IF Goodell has the backing of the "majority" of owners, he get's to screw members of the minority. If Goodell does NOT have the backing of the majority of owners, he looks for a new job.

How about returning with a cogent response?

It's completely responsive. He could have told Mara that he needs to take it up with the owners. It's a dispute between owners and even more so it's division rivals. Mara may have been irked, but he's have had to understand that. It wouldn't have had a long term impact. On the other hand he was willing to burn two bridges to stick his nose in a dispute he had an easy out of. If you were the owner of another team in another division, wouldn't it bother you that he could screw you based on an accusation of one of the rivals in your division?

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Countertrey wrote:Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM

He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM"

This is a silly response, that is, essentially, non-responsive. Goodell, first of all, did not make this call. Mara did.

Second, IF Goodell has the backing of the "majority" of owners, he get's to screw members of the minority. If Goodell does NOT have the backing of the majority of owners, he looks for a new job.

How about returning with a cogent response?

It's completely responsive. He could have told Mara that he needs to take it up with the owners. It's a dispute between owners and even more so it's division rivals. Mara may have been irked, but he's have had to understand that. It wouldn't have had a long term impact. On the other hand he was willing to burn two bridges to stick his nose in a dispute he had an easy out of. If you were the owner of another team in another division, wouldn't it bother you that he could screw you based on an accusation of one of the rivals in your division?

Problem: The Fat lady has yet to sing. We have no idea what the power structure is among these committees... This one appears to be the most powerful, and politically potent. Mara speaks, Goodell acts.

I suspect that both have severely over-reached. It's possible that the league will find some face saving way to back out of this by the end of the owner's meetings this week.