Okay, what about pre workout formulas, I lack energy a lot, and I just ordered supersize from nutraplanet.

Muscle Marinade is strong, so is Animal Rage or Hyper FX....

Bottom line for you man almost anything will work, there's no best or greater than the other, what I like you may not like and Airborne may love, so pick up something try it and see.... It's finding out what works for you and your body.

Hardcore Purus Labs {Rep}Lift the fücking weight from the floor, or leave it on the ground. The thoughts are supposed to be daunting. The pain is meant to be tormenting.

1mr- might as well snort a line of coke before you workout.
Muscle milk-won't give you the definition that strict dieters have
Creatine fuel- get yourself a buffered Creatine instead. Straight to the point an no water puffiness

Muscle milk-won't give you the definition that strict dieters have
Creatine fuel- get yourself a buffered Creatine instead. Straight to the point an no water puffiness

That logic for muscle milk is flawed. So long as it's factored into your macros, the same effects will be rendered.

Buffered creatine's only effect is lightening your wallet. I would recommend folks overly sensitive to mono bloating (even at 3g/day) try something like MCC or a designer before wasting money on Kre Alk.

That logic for muscle milk is flawed. So long as it's factored into your macros, the same effects will be rendered.

Buffered creatine's only effect is lightening your wallet. I would recommend folks overly sensitive to mono bloating (even at 3g/day) try something like MCC or a designer before wasting money on Kre Alk.

Agreed

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The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES

Is muscle milk and monster milk good for starting out with wanting gains

It's not bad, a little pricey though. Not exactly the leanest of the protein blends, but if you're going for a bulk I guess that's not as much of an issue. I prefer GOMAD (gallon of milk a day) to weight gainers, as they aren't very cost effective. I'd look into that as opposed to dropping a bunch of cash on muscle milk AND monster milk.

It's not bad, a little pricey though. Not exactly the leanest of the protein blends, but if you're going for a bulk I guess that's not as much of an issue. I prefer GOMAD (gallon of milk a day) to weight gainers, as they aren't very cost effective. I'd look into that as opposed to dropping a bunch of cash on muscle milk AND monster milk.

It's not bad, a little pricey though. Not exactly the leanest of the protein blends, but if you're going for a bulk I guess that's not as much of an issue. I prefer GOMAD (gallon of milk a day) to weight gainers, as they aren't very cost effective. I'd look into that as opposed to dropping a bunch of cash on muscle milk AND monster milk.

Milk is still $2-3 a day for a gallon in 1 month that either $60-90!
Weight gainer would be around the same price, serving dependent of course, but I'm sure something would match up.

Hardcore Purus Labs {Rep}Lift the fücking weight from the floor, or leave it on the ground. The thoughts are supposed to be daunting. The pain is meant to be tormenting.

That logic for muscle milk is flawed. So long as it's factored into your macros, the same effects will be rendered.

Buffered creatine's only effect is lightening your wallet. I would recommend folks overly sensitive to mono bloating (even at 3g/day) try something like MCC or a designer before wasting money on Kre Alk.

Creatine is not designed for a pump. It causes bloating because it is toxic. I honestly dot even take krealklyn. Creatine is great and all but it should just be an added benefit rather than a key ingredient.

As far as muscle milk is concerned, why even waste time/money trying to compensate for extra fat calories and carbs? MM milk is the McDonald's of proteins. It's the result of good marketing and the suckers that buy into it. Get yourself a lean, rapid and extended release protein....pm me if you want a good one

Creatine is not designed for a pump. It causes bloating because it is toxic. I honestly dot even take krealklyn. Creatine is great and all but it should just be an added benefit rather than a key ingredient.

As far as muscle milk is concerned, why even waste time/money trying to compensate for extra fat calories and carbs? MM milk is the McDonald's of proteins. It's the result of good marketing and the suckers that buy into it. Get yourself a lean, rapid and extended release protein....pm me if you want a good one

i think this is one of the most retarded statements i've seen in a while.

muscle tech has an excellent marketing team. those ads you seen in magazines for legal anabolics have a good marketing team.

cytosport isn't on the same level as proctor an gamble or w/o is the parent company, and def doesn't advertise like muscle tech or gaspari.

I was comparing the logic of the statement. It's a complete fallacy of debate. You missed that completely. And it makes complete intellectual sense. Because a company has been around a long time must mean they are good? Lol. I hope I cleared that for you, because NO, I dont think cigs and protein are anywhere near the same As each other. Come on man, reread stuff if you don't understand don't respond

I understand that I'm bursting a lot of dream bubbles for guys that swear by their muscle milk. It's hard to convince people that there are better options out there. Protein as a supplement should be just that: protein. No flavor enhancers or extra crap. I will never consume muscle milk. I still have yet to meet a lifter with size and definition near the level of mine that consumes MM. So stomp ur feet all the way to *** and get your MM and keep praying for your gains

I understand that I'm bursting a lot of dream bubbles for guys that swear by their muscle milk. It's hard to convince people that there are better options out there. Protein as a supplement should be just that: protein. No flavor enhancers or extra crap. I will never consume muscle milk. I still have yet to meet a lifter with size and definition near the level of mine that consumes MM. So stomp ur feet all the way to *** and get your MM and keep praying for your gains

I think you should tone it down a notch , Airborne is way more of a lifter than someone who says creatine is toxic...furthermore, not a nice way to come into the forums dog...Be a bit more humble, no one said it is the best , we know its just a supplement and a way to add protein to the diet, not a miracle "drink" , what has been discussed here is that. That its only a supplement and it works for neither specifically giving gains or a cut, you have to take on account the macro ratio in it for your diet , thats all...