The Flu-Vaccine Conspiracy

I was discussing the flu-shot today with some friends and family and I had a sudden realization during the course of the conversation.

Now, traditional conspiracy theory is that the vaccines are to help reduce the population to a "more manageable" level for the "TPTB". It does this
through a number of different methods in theory such as reducing the ability of the immune system to function correctly or INDEPENDENTLY, while
simultaneously creating "super-viruses" thus increasing the necessity for recurring flu-shots and creating DEPENDENCE. Its almost a form of
Münchausen syndrome by proxy

What I find interesting is that most of the people that are pro-flu-shot are also pro-establishment and pro-government...which if you are trying to
create a world of mindless obedient workers to do your bidding...the last thing you want to do is target them for elimination and leave the
anti-flu-shot and anti-establishment/government group to survive...and get in your "way"...

If you think of it in a form of eugenics...the flu-shot-virus being "deadly" will leave much of the future populated with people that are HARDER and
less likely to be controlled...

this is counter-productive to the proposed TPTB goals/objectives...

so if the "agenda" of the "TPTB" is as its proposed, we need to re-think what the purpose and effect of the "flu-vaccine" is...because when referenced
with depopulation and creating a controllable slave race...it makes NO sense...

I think the clincher is that they have a certain malleable portion of the populace right where they want them. Those harmful adjuvants within vaccines
can lead to illness, and they are the "correct" portion of the populace to make sick (from their pov) because they are also the individuals
who will subscribe to the "cures" they mass produce. It keeps their system running the way they want it to, and I think they consider it a rough
science as to how many they can delude in the first place.

Originally posted by Northwarden
I think the clincher is that they have a certain malleable portion of the populace right where they want them. Those harmful adjuvants within vaccines
can lead to illness, and they are the "correct" portion of the populace to make sick (from their pov) because they are also the individuals
who will subscribe to the "cures" they mass produce. It keeps their system running the way they want it to, and I think they consider it a rough
science as to how many they can delude in the first place.

Wouldn't this eventually "weed out" their zombie race though? It still seems somewhat counter-productive in the long run.

Well, yes, and I think you're right on track to explaining it. The concensus on modern-day eugenics I have gathered is to keep it subtle enough to not
draw direct nor immediate attention, to sicken and debilitate in order to reap maximum rewards for the pharmaceutical and poisonous food industries
along the way, and to see us productive zombified workers until retirement age. Then as I understand it, they are buying up old age homes for our
ongoing longterm "care".

Flu shots are a novelty of the past fifteen years. I think the biggest telling factor about vaccines is the time of introduction. You can chart most
of those majour diseases they created vaccines for, polio, smallpox, etc., and see that they are already almost eliminated (ie. down to ten percent of
their previous max effect). Then they introduce the vaccine, I suspect, to capitolize on it.

I'd like to add microchips to that list of potential present(?) / future hazards, not that they couldn't use another vector for them.

There's no evidence to support these flu shot theories, it's all based on fallacies cause by misunderstanding, assumptions, disinformation and
paranoia. If there's a problem with them then where's the proof?

So the smart people will survive, the ones that won't blindly accept what others tell them. If you think the ones doing this are doing it only for
power, you may have it all wrong. They could be doing it to guarantee the survival of this planet. They could have good intentions.

I actually just think the people who are doing this stuff are trying to make profit and aren't considering things properly. I think they need a
lesson in risk assessment. Making money is what most people want in this society nowadays, they will ignore things they don't consider pertinent in
their quest to get ahead. The FDA was not formed for the best interest of the people. They are an Occams Razor between business interests and the
public.

Disease and Death Inc, psychic suppression, and covert Baptism into the Cult of Authority, vaccination being its foundation stone, but in reality
is a house of cards that survives purely due to Medical Mind Control. This exposé of vaccination started in 1994. Natural Healers knew the cause and
cure (Case mortality: 0-2%) of Smallpox from at least the 17th century (Sydenham) yet the Psychopaths through Allopathy Inc enforced their poisonous
'medicines' such as alcohol and mercury upon the public and suppressed the causes, as they do to this very day with all the diseases. They then had
the ground set for vaccination (clue: adds up to 666) and the spread of smallpox and other diseases such as leprosy around the globe for over 150
years. Vaccination is remarkably easy to demolish purely through Statistics, which leads you into Disease Theory, its other nemesis, Smallpox
vaccination being a particular eye opener on both counts; and Vitamin C, by itself, would also destroy it (Levy, MD), not to mention Homeopathy and
Natural Healing.

Even if you believe vaccines do some good there is a vast amount of suppressed (Suppress) evidence (Vaccine autism proven) to show they do far more
harm than good (Vaccine disease). You wonder then why everyone believes in it, which leads you into Medical Politics, Medical Control ploys, God as
Modern Medicine, and Authoritarianism, then to the realisation the main reason for vaccination, as it always was, (Why Vaccination Continues Covert
vaccine agendas) is creating disease, which now looks to be as much as 1 in 4 children (Quotes Disease incidence Allergies Asthma Autism).

The industry at the top is Psychopathic, obvious vaccine examples being seen in the Urabe Atrocity, Treatment of vaccine victims, & Vaccine-autism
suppression (see: Allopathy Inc personality profile), along with all the other Medical Abuses, then the other Human Abuses, and Genocide.

Disease and Death Inc, psychic suppression, and covert Baptism into the Cult of Authority, vaccination being its foundation stone, but in reality
is a house of cards that survives purely due to Medical Mind Control. This exposé of vaccination started in 1994. Natural Healers knew the cause and
cure (Case mortality: 0-2%) of Smallpox from at least the 17th century (Sydenham) yet the Psychopaths through Allopathy Inc enforced their poisonous
'medicines' such as alcohol and mercury upon the public and suppressed the causes, as they do to this very day with all the diseases. They then had
the ground set for vaccination (clue: adds up to 666) and the spread of smallpox and other diseases such as leprosy around the globe for over 150
years. Vaccination is remarkably easy to demolish purely through Statistics, which leads you into Disease Theory, its other nemesis, Smallpox
vaccination being a particular eye opener on both counts; and Vitamin C, by itself, would also destroy it (Levy, MD), not to mention Homeopathy and
Natural Healing.

Even if you believe vaccines do some good there is a vast amount of suppressed (Suppress) evidence (Vaccine autism proven) to show they do far more
harm than good (Vaccine disease). You wonder then why everyone believes in it, which leads you into Medical Politics, Medical Control ploys, God as
Modern Medicine, and Authoritarianism, then to the realisation the main reason for vaccination, as it always was, (Why Vaccination Continues Covert
vaccine agendas) is creating disease, which now looks to be as much as 1 in 4 children (Quotes Disease incidence Allergies Asthma Autism).

The industry at the top is Psychopathic, obvious vaccine examples being seen in the Urabe Atrocity, Treatment of vaccine victims, & Vaccine-autism
suppression (see: Allopathy Inc personality profile), along with all the other Medical Abuses, then the other Human Abuses, and Genocide.

Originally posted by SpearMint
There's no evidence to support these flu shot theories, it's all based on fallacies cause by misunderstanding, assumptions, disinformation and
paranoia. If there's a problem with them then where's the proof?

thank you for illustrating my notion that pro-vaccine in most cases are pro-government/establishment and anti-vaccine are
anti-government/establishment.

unfortunately that's about all you have contributed.

the funny thing to me is everything you said applies to the anti-vaccine perspective as well...

"There's no evidence to support these flu-shots. its all based on fallacies caused by misunderstanding, assumptions, disinformation and paranoia. If
they work...then where's the proof?"

No, that is not evidence. Anything from a dodgy site with no citations and sources is not evidence, especially that site. This is something that many
people here don't seem to understand.

edit on 23-2-2013 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)

Have you looked at the site? It's an excellant resource site, full of case studies. "Especially that site" - lol You're ridiculous. It's clear you
don't want to look at the other side. Most shills won't touch this subject anymore, because it's too hammered down on the anti-vaccine side, and
bringing up counter points prompts the many proofs, which works well against their cause.

Too bad I have zero sympathy for those who play on peoples sympathy, and toy with their health and futures.

So the smart people will survive, the ones that won't blindly accept what others tell them.

basically yes

If you think the ones doing this are doing it only for power, you may have it all wrong. They could be doing it to guarantee the survival of
this planet. They could have good intentions.

this may be the intent yes...but I think of "saving the planet" as being an epic display of
arrogance...

They could have "good intentions" from their perspective...Hitler had "good intentions" from his perspective he was going to "save the planet" from
the "undesirables"...

Good intentions pave the road to hell.

I actually just think the people who are doing this stuff are trying to make profit and aren't considering things properly. I think they need a
lesson in risk assessment. Making money is what most people want in this society nowadays, they will ignore things they don't consider pertinent in
their quest to get ahead. The FDA was not formed for the best interest of the people. They are an Occams Razor between business interests and the
public.

I agree completely and this is the aspect of incompetence and greed...no conspiracy just human nature here...

I'm addressing the conspiracy from a intentionally malevolent angle as is traditionally presented in the conspiracies regarding "vaccines"...

I have no doubt in human greed and incompetence...I see it every day in action. Thats all there could be to this though I guess...greed and
incompetence.

Originally posted by SpearMint
There's no evidence to support these flu shot theories, it's all based on fallacies cause by misunderstanding, assumptions, disinformation and
paranoia. If there's a problem with them then where's the proof?

thank you for illustrating my notion that pro-vaccine in most cases are pro-government/establishment and anti-vaccine are
anti-government/establishment.

unfortunately that's about all you have contributed.

the funny thing to me is everything you said applies to the anti-vaccine perspective as well...

"There's no evidence to support these flu-shots. its all based on fallacies caused by misunderstanding, assumptions, disinformation and paranoia. If
they work...then where's the proof?"

But what you said only means something if the shots DO cause problems. Where's to evidence to suggest they do?

I can make a similar hypothesis: People that believe vaccines are part of a government agenda to control population or otherwise cause harm are
usually gullible and can provide nothing credible to support their view. For this reason they're also much more likely to believe in other things
without evidence, like bigfoot, ghosts, alien visitations and the illuminati.

What do you class as contributing? Gullible people agreeing with you? There's no point in starting a thread if you're after a one-sided debate.

No, that is not evidence. Anything from a dodgy site with no citations and sources is not evidence, especially that site. This is something that many
people here don't seem to understand.

edit on 23-2-2013 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)

Have you looked at the site? It's an excellant resource site, full of case studies. "Especially that site" - lol You're ridiculous. It's clear you
don't want to look at the other side. Most shills won't touch this subject anymore, because it's too hammered down on the anti-vaccine side, and
bringing up counter points prompts the many proofs, which works well against their cause.

Too bad I have zero sympathy for those who play on peoples sympathy, and toy with their health and futures.

edit on 23-2-2013 by Northwarden
because: (no reason given)

Yes, I looked at the site and it's a load of rubbish. It contains no sourced facts. Only a fool would take what it says as the truth without evidence
to support the claims. What you posted, for example, says vaccines are proven to cause Autism. This is an outright lie.

Yes it does. There's no point in talking to someone who makes up what they want to believe, and measures an issue only by the length of their own
yardstick of reason. You clearly need to do a lot more research, stop flaunting the establishments brainwashing, and recognize who runs the show. You
don't need a university degree to see through it, only research and common sense. Enjoy your paycheque.

Yes it does. There's no point in talking to someone who makes up what they want to believe, and measures an issue only by the length of their own
yardstick of reason. You clearly need to do a lot more research, stop flaunting the establishments brainwashing, and recognize who runs the show. You
don't need a university degree to see through it, only research and common sense. Enjoy your paycheque.

Then show me the sourced facts. You're too gullible, believing something without proof or at least some evidence is stupid.

Originally posted by SpearMint
There's no evidence to support these flu shot theories, it's all based on fallacies cause by misunderstanding, assumptions, disinformation and
paranoia. If there's a problem with them then where's the proof?

thank you for illustrating my notion that pro-vaccine in most cases are pro-government/establishment and anti-vaccine are
anti-government/establishment.

unfortunately that's about all you have contributed.

the funny thing to me is everything you said applies to the anti-vaccine perspective as well...

"There's no evidence to support these flu-shots. its all based on fallacies caused by misunderstanding, assumptions, disinformation and paranoia. If
they work...then where's the proof?"

But what you said only means something if the shots DO cause problems. Where's to evidence to suggest they do?

I can make a similar hypothesis: People that believe vaccines are part of a government agenda to control population or otherwise cause harm are
usually gullible and can provide nothing credible to support their view. For this reason they're also much more likely to believe in other things
without evidence, like bigfoot, ghosts, alien visitations and the illuminati.

What do you class as contributing? Gullible people agreeing with you? There's no point in starting a thread if you're after a one-sided debate.

Obviously...
if you are pro-government...you aren't an issue for "TPTB"...or their "Agenda"...pro-gov and pro-vaccine seem to almost (not all) be one in the same.
Were looking at this from the perspective of "TPTB" in regards to the vaccine "agenda" presented in conspiracy...were not directly discussing whether
or not any of it is real...but more or less if it makes any sense from the "TPTB" perspective to kill off their supporters with a nefarious
"vaccine"...because its most likely their supporters who will be getting these vaccines...which you illustrated perfectly.

I'm not looking for people who agree with me...in some regards were almost agreeing that the conspiracy as traditionally presented...doesn't make
sense.

As far as contribution goes, anything that can't be flipped on its head in opposition and still makes sense would be ideal. The statement of yours I
quoted wasn't very useful because it could be flipped around 180 degrees and still have merit...its like arguing over which side of the grass is
greener...gets no where.

I don't like ya, so do your own research, there's dozens of threads on it and it's been fleshed out far better than this. We were discussing it for
another purpose, as outlined in the op. I'm already resolved after plenty of research on topic, not here to provide kibble for the never believers.
You must have a doctor you find attractive?

I don't like ya, so do your own research, there's dozens of threads on it and it's been fleshed out far better than this. We were discussing it for
another purpose, as outlined in the op. I'm already resolved after plenty of research on topic, not here to provide kibble for the never believers.
You must have a doctor you find attractive?

How convenient. I've looked before, and been in these debates before, so I already know there isn't anything credible. You've already shown what
your research consists of, so unfortunately that doesn't mean much at all.

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