Nobody is suggestions we don’t need immigration. Nobody whatsoever. That’s just a petty argument that remainers like to use. It’s about having controlled immigration where we take only the people we need from wherever in the world that may be. There was a job become available in care Home in gorseinon where my friend works. There was over 100 applications so to suggest that only immigrants want these jobs is a load of bollocks that you are fed and you just lap it up.

Exactly right.

During the EU referendum every single pro-Brexit speaker stated over and over again that Brexit means anti-open borders with the EU. They all repeatedly said that there would continue to be immigration just in a more controlled manner...that is, controlled by politicians and civil servants in this country (and the politicians are ultimately controlled by the people of course).

Leaving the EU gives us the freedom to tailor our policies to suit the UK...immigration could go up in the right circumstances (with the consent of the electorate).

Of course the pie is getting bigger, unfortunately for the 'Remainers' it is a fact that what is causing our pie to get bigger is our trade with non-EU countries and the growth of our own internal domestic marketplace... ...and this process is only going to speed up with the situation in the EU as it is and the route they are proposing forward.

Don't be so naive. There's a lot more to it than that. Train the youngsters? I think we've seen the direction that's going to go in with the Government exempting non-EU overseas nurses from the skilled migration cap. The government/NHS is deliberately seeking more overseas non-EU staff to replace the leaving EU staff.

If you think employers (big ones at least) are suddenly going to start paying over the odds you're in cloud cuckoo land.

Brexit is not the end to globalisation because the EU is not the cause of globalisation.

If the EU is a force for globalisation, why do quitters also accuse it of being a protectionist racket?

During the EU referendum every single pro-Brexit speaker stated over and over again that Brexit means anti-open borders with the EU. They all repeatedly said that there would continue to be immigration just in a more controlled manner...that is, controlled by politicians and civil servants in this country (and the politicians are ultimately controlled by the people of course).

Leaving the EU gives us the freedom to tailor our policies to suit the UK...immigration could go up in the right circumstances (with the consent of the electorate).

So you're perfectly happy with net migration from non-EU countries running at more than twice the level of EU net migration? The truth is that any (dubious) gain in limiting EU migration will be trivial against the cost - especially when viewed in the context of mass immigration from non-EU countries that continues unabated - even though notionally we have complete control over it.

To leave the EU at huge economic cost over an illusory increase in control when we simultaneously fail to exercise control over immigration from non-EU countries is the definition of stupidity.

Nobody is suggestions we don’t need immigration. Nobody whatsoever. That’s just a petty argument that remainers like to use. It’s about having controlled immigration where we take only the people we need from wherever in the world that may be. There was a job become available in care Home in gorseinon where my friend works. There was over 100 applications so to suggest that only immigrants want these jobs is a load of bollocks that you are fed and you just lap it up.

The home where my dad is living is short-staffed as well from what I've seen and been told. There are a few EU workers but not many.

It's worth noting that net migration from the EU 8 (the cluster of countries including Poland that joined at the same time) has declined dramatically to next to nothing. Even migration from the EU14 (long-standing members) and the EU2 (Romania and Bulgaria) have shown a sharp downturn recently. What EU migration problem is there exactly?

So you're perfectly happy with net migration from non-EU countries running at more than twice the level of EU net migration? The truth is that any (dubious) gain in limiting EU migration will be trivial against the cost - especially when viewed in the context of mass immigration from non-EU countries that continues unabated - even though notionally we have complete control over it.

To leave the EU at huge economic cost over an illusory increase in control when we simultaneously fail to exercise control over immigration from non-EU countries is the definition of stupidity.

"So you're perfectly happy with net migration from non-EU countries running at more than twice the level of EU net migration?"

As I have already stated, the overall number I (personally) would be happy with will fluctuate with the country's needs. Where the migrants come from or what they look like doesn't bother me, I'm not racist or a xenophobe see (it seems to bother you and the rest of the 'Remainers' though. WHY?

The only requirement I have of migrants is that they want to be British and hold British values (I would restrict Islamic immigration for these reasons...makes no sense to bring in millions of people who see us as an enemy and oppose everything we stand for. That road leads to Civil War). I want people who are going to be proud of a British identity, positive people.

Whether the gain will be "dubious" or not you can't possibly know.

Your assertion that our increased control will be "illusory" doesn't make any sense whatsoever...it never did during the referendum, which was a factor in why your side lost. Clearly we don't have control inside the EU and clearly we can have control (if we so wish) outside. Go on, have another go at explaining why this is not so, instead of the empty slogans

"So you're perfectly happy with net migration from non-EU countries running at more than twice the level of EU net migration?"

As I have already stated, the overall number I (personally) would be happy with will fluctuate with the country's needs. Where the migrants come from or what they look like doesn't bother me, I'm not racist or a xenophobe see (it seems to bother you and the rest of the 'Remainers' though. WHY?

The only requirement I have of migrants is that they want to be British and hold British values (I would restrict Islamic immigration for these reasons...makes no sense to bring in millions of people who see us as an enemy and oppose everything we stand for. That road leads to Civil War). I want people who are going to be proud of a British identity, positive people.

Whether the gain will be "dubious" or not you can't possibly know.

Your assertion that our increased control will be "illusory" doesn't make any sense whatsoever...it never did during the referendum, which was a factor in why your side lost. Clearly we don't have control inside the EU and clearly we can have control (if we so wish) outside. Go on, have another go at explaining why this is not so, instead of the empty slogans

Just answer the question. Are you happy with the current level of net migration from non-EU countries? If you are happy, then you must be happier still with the much lower levels of migration from EU countries. So why leave the EU - given the huge dangers to trade that will arise because of tariff and non-tariff barriers to trade? All for the sake of some powers that aren't needed and won't be exercised. What a ludicrous self-indulgence.

In the event of a no-deal Brexit we would still end up as a EU law taker. That's because if we want to trade with Europe (44% of our exports remember) we will need to conform to their regulations. Of course, we could set up dual-track regulatory systems for domestic and EU trade - but that would lead to a huge administrative overburden - so in practice we'll no doubt just align our regulatory systems with those of the EU, especially when it comes to goods and product safety. In fact any form of Brexit will have the same effect.

So there's your illusion for you - notional control of your own affairs, but in practice we would have a reduced say on the terms of trade with other countries, because we will enter any negotiations as a medium sized country as opposed to being a part of a substantial (more than half a billion) bloc.

Just answer the question. Are you happy with the current level of net migration from non-EU countries? If you are happy, then you must be happier still with the much lower levels of migration from EU countries. So why leave the EU - given the huge dangers to trade that will arise because of tariff and non-tariff barriers to trade? All for the sake of some powers that aren't needed and won't be exercised. What a ludicrous self-indulgence.

In the event of a no-deal Brexit we would still end up as a EU law taker. That's because if we want to trade with Europe (44% of our exports remember) we will need to conform to their regulations. Of course, we could set up dual-track regulatory systems for domestic and EU trade - but that would lead to a huge administrative overburden - so in practice we'll no doubt just align our regulatory systems with those of the EU, especially when it comes to goods and product safety. In fact any form of Brexit will have the same effect.

So there's your illusion for you - notional control of your own affairs, but in practice we would have a reduced say on the terms of trade with other countries, because we will enter any negotiations as a medium sized country as opposed to being a part of a substantial (more than half a billion) bloc.

Have you answered any of my questions ? No. Are you not capable of answering them?

Am I happy with present migration levels from non-EU countries? Not particularly, but it doesn't get me that excited...immigration is only 1 small factor of Brexit for me. I have said before (and I suppose I'll have to say it again) my favoured immigration policy would be set by an independent board, answerable to government, made up of; Heads of industry, Civil Servants, Unions, and Academics... ...they could set the targets on numbers and the rules on a 5 year basis (length of a parliament) and publish yearly reports updating the public and the government on the situation.

The only rule I would seek to impose is limits on numbers coming from any 1 religious background and that every incoming immigrant swears an oath of allegiance (or something like that). Any terrorist or terrorist sympathiser/funder imported via this system would then have no excuses when prosecuted for treason (I'd make the punishment for that life imprisonment... ...but I am aware that my ideal system will most likely never be adopted.

Why leave the EU? Lots of reasons. Immigration is just one small factor. The reason why people like you refuse to hear and understand people like me (when we say Brexit isn't about immigration) is because you can't win the Brexit debate with reason. So you resort to slinging mud our way. It's all about immigration because we're all closet racists aren't we! 😃 Now that's a "ludicrous self-indulgence".

The rest of your post is utter bullshit. We trade with Japan and Oman. Do we take their regulation? Does the USA take EU regulation? Does China? Dual track wouldn't be a burden at all. We already conform to their regulations, we will diverge at our own pace in the areas we want to.

It is you that has been suckered in by an illusion. The EU have been fantastic at propaganda.

Have you answered any of my questions ? No. Are you not capable of answering them?

Am I happy with present migration levels from non-EU countries? Not particularly, but it doesn't get me that excited...immigration is only 1 small factor of Brexit for me. I have said before (and I suppose I'll have to say it again) my favoured immigration policy would be set by an independent board, answerable to government, made up of; Heads of industry, Civil Servants, Unions, and Academics... ...they could set the targets on numbers and the rules on a 5 year basis (length of a parliament) and publish yearly reports updating the public and the government on the situation.

The only rule I would seek to impose is limits on numbers coming from any 1 religious background and that every incoming immigrant swears an oath of allegiance (or something like that). Any terrorist or terrorist sympathiser/funder imported via this system would then have no excuses when prosecuted for treason (I'd make the punishment for that life imprisonment... ...but I am aware that my ideal system will most likely never be adopted.

Why leave the EU? Lots of reasons. Immigration is just one small factor. The reason why people like you refuse to hear and understand people like me (when we say Brexit isn't about immigration) is because you can't win the Brexit debate with reason. So you resort to slinging mud our way. It's all about immigration because we're all closet racists aren't we! 😃 Now that's a "ludicrous self-indulgence".

The rest of your post is utter bullshit. We trade with Japan and Oman. Do we take their regulation? Does the USA take EU regulation? Does China? Dual track wouldn't be a burden at all. We already conform to their regulations, we will diverge at our own pace in the areas we want to.

It is you that has been suckered in by an illusion. The EU have been fantastic at propaganda.

On your last point, it's quite the opposite. The EU hasn't been good at even publicising what it does, let alone organising propaganda. And similarly the British Government hasn't promoted the benefits of membership, just the problems, in an attempt to convince people they were taking tough stance. This was all discussed by Cameron's adviser in the article posted above.

And yes, when exporting to Japan our companies have to conform to their standards/regs. I imagine that's the same for any country exporting to anywhere.

On your last point, it's quite the opposite. The EU hasn't been good at even publicising what it does, let alone organising propaganda. And similarly the British Government hasn't promoted the benefits of membership, just the problems, in an attempt to convince people they were taking tough stance. This was all discussed by Cameron's adviser in the article posted above.

And yes, when exporting to Japan our companies have to conform to their standards/regs. I imagine that's the same for any country exporting to anywhere.

Are you for real or what. The government spent £9 million on a propaganda leaflet singing the praise of the eu.

Are you for real or what. The government spent £9 million on a propaganda leaflet singing the praise of the eu.

That's pretty much been it; that and the In campaigns both in the run-up to the referendum. (And a lot of the information in that leaflet was factual, whether you like it or not).

I'm talking about the longer term, as discussed in the article by Cameron's former adviser. There's been a constant anti-EU message promoted through the media and to a lesser extent by the government for years.

That's pretty much been it; that and the In campaigns both in the run-up to the referendum. (And a lot of the information in that leaflet was factual, whether you like it or not).

I'm talking about the longer term, as discussed in the article by Cameron's former adviser. There's been a constant anti-EU message promoted through the media and to a lesser extent by the government for years.

Absolute nonsense. When will the eu admit it’s true purpose and that is to destroy the nation sate and create a United States of Europe.

US food products are banned from the EU because of EU regulations. Every country has its own set of regulations, although the EUs are generally of a higher standard than those of most countries.

No doubt you're looking forward to the prospect of eating chlorinated American chicken and beef stuffed with growth hormones. That's what lies ahead (and much worse - especially American access to our healthcare system, undermining the NHS) if we replace our free trade deal with the EU with one with the States.

The idea that the UK can dictate the terms of trade to Jonny Foreigner in this day and age is the stuff of fantasy. As we're discovering in the totally inept negotiations with the EU.

US food products are banned from the EU because of EU regulations. Every country has its own set of regulations, although the EUs are generally of a higher standard than those of most countries.

No doubt you're looking forward to the prospect of eating chlorinated American chicken and beef stuffed with growth hormones. That's what lies ahead (and much worse - especially American access to our healthcare system, undermining the NHS) if we replace our free trade deal with the EU with one with the States.

The idea that the UK can dictate the terms of trade to Jonny Foreigner in this day and age is the stuff of fantasy. As we're discovering in the totally inept negotiations with the EU.

Well it seems the eu is trying to dictate terms to the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 You are just another idiot who can’t accept the result of the referendum. The idea that the U.K. won’t prosper outside of the Frankenstein project is absolutely laughable.