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This was at a luncheon I was at in downtown GR. He did indeed call them chickens, and seemed confused as to why that illicited so much laughter.

He also said, "I don't know why they won't play us . . . well actually I do."

My cool story bro is that as he left the podium, I snuck out of the room and grabbed him in a back hallway and he kindly paused for a picture even though he was running late to a coaches clinic. I don't know how to post a pitcture or I would do it.

This is a no brainer. When I was in law school at ND, the women's team was very strong. They went to the final four a bunch of times and I think even played in the championship game one year I was there, if I'm not mistaken. Needless to say, they were a top 5 program all 3 years I was there.

The girls team would come to the gym and play pick up with the boys. They had so many advantages. 1) they were all in shape, we were not. 2) they were a team, we were a random collection of 5 guys. 3) they made us play with a girls ball. Nonetheless, I don't think I ever participated in or saw a girls victory. Just a random collection of guys playing with a girls ball beat them every single time. They were not blow outs, but they were always wins.

An elite group of 9th graders who are in shape and actually know how to play together would destroy the girls, no doubt.

Its funny to read through the posts. A lot of people disagree, and that is fine, but probably 70% of the people who disagree don't add a single substantive thing to the discussion.

So because you disagree with me, I know nothing about the opponent, basketball, or the coach? You do not know me, know nothing about how much basketball I have played, coached, or watched. Apparently Beilein and I have starkly different philosophy's about T.O.'s and stemming a run. But your ad hominem attack when you know nothing about me is ridiculous.

You could stop reading, stop posting, stop doing a lot of things. The CRAZY thing about a message board is sometimes people post things. I know, I know, weird. If you don't like what I posted, then don't read it. Or, actually have something to contribute other than just pretending to be smarter than everyone by only ever criticizing other posts all the time. I'd love to hear you actually say something substantive instead of some smart ass snarky remark like always.

Look, people can get mad, and that's fine. I'm not saying he is a bad coach or that I want him gone or anything crazy like that, but he cost us this game. It happens, players have bad games, so do coaches. This was a bad game for Beilein. I would love to hear one person put forth a valid reason to not call one timeout when the other team goes up 20 in 10 minutes, which is an absurd feat by the way.

Borges is a good coach, but he had a bad game. You don't call one screen, one draw, one trap? I mean, they blitzed almost every single play in the 2nd half, and you call an empty set with no backs to protect? And don't even get me started on the 4th down call, I almost threw up.

They don't care at all. Not one of them is embarrased of ashamed. All that matters is the W. I have no doubt that Dantonio won't even consider punishing Gholston. It may come down from the league, but not Thugtonio.

Maybe I have you confused with someone else. There was a HS coach who got on here and broke down stuff about defense and offense all the time. I thought his tag was coach something, and I thought it was you. Perhaps not.

I am so confused what this post is about. Is it about COD or Arenas? And what happened on twitter? And who is your dude? And why do we care about any of this? And how many sentences can I start with "and"?

Take it easy on Lee guys. Not everyone is going to pick Michigan as well as we are, we are fans and biased. I find him entertaining. He may not be the most accurate game picker out there, but he isn't annoying.

Let's not ignore the fact that the stories were corraborated by 8 former players and even a few former coaches. That's not random receipts and pictures.

Also, the guy further proves he doesn't know what he is talking about by saying Miami isn't a repeat violator. He says that the last football violations are too far away, which is true (I think). However, the rule does not require the repeat violation to be in the same sport. Miama was recently sanctioned in baseball. We all remember that danger of repeat violation status for stretch gate over the Ed Martin stuff, obviously different sports.

My dad was on a work trip in Arizona and was playing golf with one of his employees that came with him, and they caught up to a twosome of Jeff Jones and Verlander. They joined them and played together. My dad said Verlander hits a golf ball as far as anyone he has ever seen.

Blue and South Bend and I have to go to a buddy's wedding on opening weekend. Not only am I pissed to not get to see Michigan's new look, but I just like seeing games all day in general the first weekend.

This game is really good I think. My main complaint is it seems too easy to throw the ball deep. Even on Heisman, if you just call four verticals everytime there is almost always someone open. The safeties don't turn and run when someone is going deep nearly fast enough.

I thought Banner and Garnett looked bad. Both looked tall and stood up really quickly. I didn't think Shittu looks very good either. But then again, I may not know what I am looking at as much as some others.

His dogs are two of the most destructive forces on the planet I have ever seen. If we could figure out how to make them student athletes, they would wreak havoc for Michigan's defense. ESPECIALLY if the opposing team was made up of text books.

The only reason I watched this is because I thought it would include highlight videos and at least get me pumped for the season. I didn't know it was just going to be that guy sitting in his mom's basement talking to himself.

Once on the main page of teambuilder click create a school. It will ask you to log in. If you have played an EA sports game online in the last 5 years your login will be your gamer ID and password most likely. Otherwise, you will have to create a log in. Once logged in, on the far right is rosters. Click rosters and you can browse teams.

You can modify the rosters and then you have to download them onto your PS3 in the game.

EDIT: Actually now that I think about it, you can only create teams. I think you can use Michigan's roster as your base for your "created team" but then you'd have to try to perfectly make Michigan the rest of the way for color's and such and that would be annoying. Probably better to wait until you get the game.

I think you must have intentionally tried to miss the point, that's the only way to explain your comment. Of course both players are a lot better than the OP and the rest of us, that's a stupid thing to say. That has nothing to do with whether or not either guy is good enough to play in the bigs.

Raburn can't hit and he sucks at D. At least Inge gives some D, whether it's not as good as it once was or not. No excuse for Raburn, he sucks at all phases, despite being better than me at baseball.

11 is a lot better. I didn't care for the new controls and used the old, but the game is still better. There are so many more types of hits in this game. I years past it was either ground ball through the infield or a home run. A solid liner for a single never happened before, and in this year it does. The depth of the types of hits in this years game is what makes it better.

My biggest complaint is the coverage of DB's. Last year they made a huge step forward in making agility and acceleration actually mean something in how guys move on the field. But in the demo, I've had multiple times where a safety was running deep with one of my WR's and I throw a shorter pass over the middle and the safety completely changes direction without losing any speed at all. The safety doesn't have to slow down at all, no stutter steps, just full speed starts running downfield when one second ago they were running upfield. Hopefully this is an easy fix with a patch because this isn't a problem with any other position on the field but DB's change direction without losing any speed right now.

I don't think he was trying to get tricky, he just phrased it poorly. If you watched the one on one interview on BTN before the press conference he specifically says he didn't know about it. I think his wording was just poorly chosen at the press conference.

Did you read my post? At no point did I say the rules were dumb or that OSU shouldn't be punished. And I'm not exactly sure what I said that could make you think I was an OSU fan. I'm just talking about teammates telling on teammates. Nothing to do with whether the rules are wise or dumb or whether OSU should be punished or not. Just speaking from experience that I would have never ratted out my teammates.

Maybe, but when you are talking about former players the NCAA can't do anything to them. They can't "fry." So why does Antonio Pittman come out on twitter and make his comments. He isn't saving himself, and he's a had a lot of attention. Surely the little bit of attention he gets from that tweet isn't worth betraying all of your friends and your alumni support system when you are looking for a job, right?

The best parts are that they think it's bad they can no longer sign kids who won't get in because they can't risk it, and that the article referred to them as "trend setting." Trend setting? Seriously? When will the media stop crediting the SEC with being trend setting with their scholarship limits? They aren't, and even now they still try to justify oversigning showing the very few limits they have they don't even want.

Not to mention the article doesn't even mention the real problem, and of course none of the coaches do. It's not the kids coming in that get screwed most of the time, its the kids who get cut because they are put on medical hardship, or forced to transfer, or just flat out kicked off the team to make room for the over signing.

I really feel like Meyer is done for at least more time than one year. He was talking about getting to go to his kids games and watch them grow up and all this stuff. How do you look your kids in the eye and say one year was enough? As a dad, that would be tough. I know plenty of people will insert jokes about him not caring about his kids and yadda yadda yadda, but seriously, I think one year is not enough for what he wants to do.

The game never cares about records from last year, they never do. Hence, Penn St and Texas. They basically just roll over their player ratings from last year and increase them a bit, so since they had those teams highly rated last year they will be good last year despite on the field indications they aren't as good as EA thought they were.

I went to HS with him so I know this well. He got in the very first game of the year. Henne was struggling and he got one series, short hopped a wide open guy on third and medium, and then came out. He also got in garbage time a few times. He then left, played baseball, and now starts for the Padres.

Interesting fun fact, Clayton was on the top 10 plays on SC because he played in a HS homerun derby and busted out the window of a moving car on one of his HR's.

Very interesting. Not only are a lot of our commits not on there but a lot of guys we think are Michigan leans (Wormely, Diamond, etc) are not on there. Maybe Hoke isn't dominating recruiting quite like we thought, I don't know.

It's not sparty. ESPN always does this. When a recruit commits, they'll change the icon next to the name from the team he committed to and schools that were in the running, because for instance they know that seeing the spartan logo will increase the odds that a spartan fan clicks on the link, thus giving them more hits. They do this with every recruit.

We rip these kids, but it has to be hard being the absolute man in HS, you are a teenager, and then you come to college and are buried on the depth chart. I'm not saying handling it poorly is acceptable, just semi-understandable. It can't be easy to go from king to serf.

Note, I didn't say every single pass was to a wide open receiver. I was just remarking that it happened often enough that if they don't have that play in the playbook, it will take away a decent chunk of completions/yards. Also note that I am not down on Denard, I think he'll be fine, I was just pointing out some oversights in Joyner's analysis.

It is an interesting article, no doubt. It overlooks a few things, in my estimation.

1) Denard was throwing mostly from the shotgun last year. Which, hey, they may do this year. But if he is asked to do 5 and 7 step drops from under center, that is a different way of doing things and something Denard appeared uncomfortable doing. That could result in a drop in stats.

2) Denard sets up his passes through his running. How many times did we see guys incredibly wide open because the defense was freaking out about him running. Again, the offense might incorporate that into this years team, but we don't know. If they don't, that will see a dip in production from Denard as well.

All in all, good article, and I personally am not freaking out about Denard. I think he and we will be just fine on offense. But I just thought that article overlooked some things that potentially change the analysis.

I was on campus that day, you didn't need a weather report. It was so insanely windy, as soon as you stepped outside you should have known a scissor lift was a bad idea. No weather report needed, just common sense.

I think you are right. Yes, that was a Lloyd Carr style of game, but not for the same reasons. Carr never opened it up, even when he had better talent. And again, I agree that the only time we saw Carr cut it open was against Florida in his last game. Carr played that way ALL the time, it wasn't a strategy for a particular game. Red, on the other hand, employed Carr ball for one game. There is definitely a difference.

I don't think I agree with your RR assesment, but besides that Gallon just didn't seem that talented to begin with. If he is, AWESOME, I want all Michigan players to be talented. I just haven't been impressed with him before.

This is probably the third article saying "OSU recommended a five game suspension."

Um, no...actually they didn't. OSU recommended a two game suspension, and when it hit the fan in the media Jim Tressel recommended he be suspended five games. The OSU administration has consistently shown zero concern with what happened and was a part of the cover up. Saying the school recommended the five game penalty is close to lying.

A lot of these kids who score poorly aren't necessarily dumb, they just don't have to do anything in school. They never learned a thing from high school to college because they were start athletes. They often times are smart enough to pick up football schemes, they just didn't learn algebra. (not that there is algebra on the wonderlic I'm jus sayin)

This is actually really common. I've heard a ton of analysts refer to Michigan as a tough match up because of that 1-3-1 defense. It's pretty obvious they don't watch anyone play because as you said, Michigan has run the 1-3-1 for a total of 5 minutes this season. Now if only Bruce Pearl were similarly confused, we'd be in business.

For what its worth, I have a friend who wrestled at Stanford for 4 years who never saw such a list. And he wouldn't lie to me about it. Obviously this doesn't prove the list didn't exist, but maybe at least wasn't given to EVERYONE.

EDIT: He called me back and said he does remember it now, but the reason he didn't remember it the first time was that it wasn't just a list of easy classes. There were easy classes on there, sure, but that there were also hard classes. He knew about easy classes just by word of mouth, like normal students do. That's what he says anyways, that it wasn't a list of easy classes.

This is one of the best pieces I have ever read. First, he completely dismantles Tressel's BS. The confidentiality request was so tiny, so insignificant, that to hide behind it is insane. To say he couldn't suspend the players because it would arouse suspicion to the investigation, why not do the "violation of team rules" penalty. The article just dismantles all of his "defenses" in an epic way.

Furthermore, to write this in an Ohio paper, I mean wow. This guy has balls that most men only talk about. Seriously, bravo to this dude.

Yea, and I also think this is the smallest of all the big deals in this story. I mean, I think you can take it as him trying to make light of a serious situation. Maybe he shouldn't have done it, but that's probably all it is.

Wow, that does not make it seem like it was super confidential. JT tried to make it sound like it was this huge confidential investigation and he had to keep it quiet for that. That guy barely even mentions confidentiality, and when he does it is not in the first email. In fact, the guy seems to be more concerned about the confidentiallity of the players and how they would get in trouble then he does with the drug dealer. The overall tone of those emails is definitely trying to keep those kids from getting in trouble, and not about some confidential federal investigation. This was a cover up from JT from day one, anyone who claims otherwise is completely ignorant.

I understand you may not be at liberty to say, because you build relationships with these kids, but how does this kid compare to the other kids we are after. I know he has less big time offers, but his film looks good to my untrained eye. How do you think his skills and traits compare to the other kids we are after?

I can't take this guy seriously, because evidently he thinks Roh will be kept at LB since he isn't listed on the D-line preview. Anyone who thinks Roh won't be a DE with this staff is a moron, and therefore, I cannot believe the rest of his analysis is worth reading.

It really is a nice venue. But be warned, Illinois by far travels the best to the tournament. There will be way more Illinois fans there than Michigan fans, so you may feel like you are at an away game.

I think that's a little overblown. Not to mention I was talking about FT's. I'm not talking about regular offense, I'm talking about you know the other team is fouling the first guy to touch it, I want Stu, Novak, or Vogrich to have it.

I think I am more excited to see in the spring game what all the position changes will be with all the tweeners than I am to see what happens with Denard. Probably because I am tired of the D being horrible and I want to see what they do to address it.

Yea I have a buddy from high school who went on in college to win a national championship in power lifting and the most he could squat was a little over 1000 I believe. There is no way this kid is up to that.

Because players who enroll early can count back as a part of last years class. Also, a lot of the kids they "sign" never "qualify" or some other bogus reason. Meaning they sign a 3 star, late in the process get a 4 star, and now the 3 star won't qualify academically all of a sudden right before school starts...magic.

Why can't people present legitimate opinions and criticisms of the coach? You can disagree with the OP, that's fine, but don't do things like insult his intelligence or basketball knowledge. And don't neg him just because you disagree with him or think he is wrong. There is no reason to do that. It just encourages "group think." If the poster is being outlandish or rude about the coach or whatever he is criticizing, then fine, but I hate when you can't critique anything about Michigan without it causing a sh** storm.

What is that behind Rawls' head in that picture? I like to think it's a pair of knum chucks, and if the picture would pan out more you could see his hands on his shoulders holding both handles, ready to whoop ass.

Actually I understand it a great deal, I wasn't in love with the hire from day one not because I think he is a bad guy, but because I don't like his offensive style. His style, and look at his stats, leads his teams to be poor in rebounding numbers and poor in number of free throw attempts. I think getting to the line and rebounding are important. That's my opinion, nothing personal to you or JB so I'm not going to insult your intelligence or basketball knowledge like you did mine.

If you have watched UM basketball at all since JB has been here, their offense very much revolves around passing it around the perimeter. Almost all of the passes, cuts, hand offs, etc., occur outside the three point line. The occasional back door cut is the only way the ball gets in the lane by design. The rest of the time it is simple one on one where someone (read darius) beats his man and gets in the lane. You can say you love JB all you want, and that's fine, but my point is that his offense is almost entirely outside the three point line. This just naturally lends itself to having 5 seconds left and oh crap we gotta do something on the possessions where nobody got an open three.

In an offense where there is more attacking or more post play, more shots present themselves earlier in the shot clock and also more fouls happen. It is just a by product of the way the team plays, and I for one, don't really care for it. That doesn't mean I don't love the win last night, which completely got me jacked.

I couldn't agree more, this is exactly what I said a few days ago. Stop making excuses for youth. This is basketball, a way different sport that football. Youth doesn't matter as much, it definitely can still matter yes, but freshman come in and make a team good all the time. This is about recruiting, or a lack thereof.

If a good option doesn't step up, we have to have Troy at FS not CB. I would rather have him at CB if we can, but FS is too important if we don't have another suitable option back there. Look at how much worse the D got 2 years ago when we moved him from FS to CB. You give up sooooo many big plays without a good FS.

I'm not here to get in a pissing match with someone I have never met, never will meet, and don't care to meet. If you want to have some "grudge" against me because I questioned whether JB was the best coach and posted a thread on it, that's fine. My point was only that you seem to spend a lot of your posts just telling other people why their posts suck. Try contributing something to the conversation. Since you obviously are trying to turn this into MLive by constantly insulting my intelligence (I know nothing about basketball and have poor communication skills) I'm not going to waste any more time responding to anything you say. But seriously, get off your high horse. Let people post what they want and if you don't like it like I said, just let it go man, or neg them, whatever, but stop being so confident in how awesome your own posts are. The fact that you questioned how that other guy got all of his points (OMG POINTS GIVE ME MORE PLEASE DON"T NEG ME) lets me know that you take posting too seriously.

Explain to me why he gets a pass for a lack of talent and having youth when he is in his 4th year? I don't get that at all. He is entirely responsible for how young the team is. I wasn't expecting more out of this particular team, I was expecting more out of JB to what this team would be composed of this year. And don't make blanket statements about other peoples level of knowledge. You have no idea who I am, what I do, and what my basketball experience level is. If you want to disagree with my assesment fine, but that doesn't mean I know nothing about basketball.

Have you seen him play? He's an average player who has potential but is not a lock to be a good one. He has some of the worst shot selection of any player i've ever seen at Michigan. He takes shots with 25 seconds left on the clock that you could get with 1 second left. He can't dribble with his left hand hardly at all. If he takes three or 4 hard dribbles with his left, he loses or almost loses it. Again, he's an ok player, but he only looks good compared to other Michigan players.

Ok but you are missing the point. Why are we staring so many freshman? Because of poor recruiting in the years before him. Youth can't be the excuse in his fourth year when he is responsible for who is on the roster.

Thank you. People completely confuse football and basketball recruiting. In football, you play 22 guys plus special teams, so you need a lot more bodies. Top 100 players means something because there are so many different positions. Basketball, the numbers go way down and top 100 isn't nearly as impressive. Just look at the team recruiting rankings in basketball.

Yanno, I had a rant typed out and I deleted it. I'm sorry if my post isn't up to your standards and that you, a person I will never meet, thinks I'm an idiot. I don't think that I am the first person to think this, in fact, I would certainly hope I'm not. If this posts bothers you, the most rational response is to not read it, not let it get you so obviously worked up. If you check my history, I very rarely creat a post, so that would seem to shoot down your theory that my parents made me think I'm special so I should share all of my opinions with everyone. Be less angry, you'll enjoy life more.

Morris is a good player, I don't disagree with that, my point is we have zero elite players. His complete lack of an outside shot really limits his level of play. He could be unstopable with his size at point if he could shoot even average.

Poor Mr. Pipp. I also remember seeing Henne running out and thinking OH CRAP! I was also particularly mad because I went to high school with Clayton Richard, the redshirt freshman other QB who now pitches for the Padres, and I really wanted Clayton to go in.

I honestly did not know that bit about Saulsbury showed his dong on his cell phone to a woman. Geesh, how many idiots are out there? I will never understand how so many guys get in trouble for sending pictures of their dongs to women. How in the world can you think that is appropriate or that they will even like it? I wouldn't even send that to my wife, and she LOVES my dong. Seriously, how this even happens once let alone multiple times blows my mind.

Sometimes you think you've found true love and then you catch the early flight home from San Diego and you catch two people jumping out of your bathroom blindfolded like its a god damn magic show ready to double team your girlfriend

One more thing. Your first year grades matter a ton. Do everything you can to get good first year grades, it's huge. If I hadn't had good first year grades I wouldn't have gotten my job. I also wouldn't have made law review, which was also huge in getting my job. Take first year SOOOOOOOOOOOO seriously.

I will say that there are tons of kids who hate law school and hate the idea of practicing law after going thorugh law school.

But not every job sucks. If you work at a big firm in Chicago/New York/D.C. etc, then yea you are going to work a billion hours. I work in a midsize city and at my firm no one is at there desk past 530 except on rare occasions. The hours aren't that bad at all, 50 hours a week probably. If you like legal work, you don't have to sell your soul and never see your family to do it.

Texas Tech is what I meant. Should have been more clear. Point being, Every year Texas Tech QB's would put up an insane amount of passing yards and TD's. Was it because they were insanely awesome QBs? No, the system did that. They didn't make it in the NFL, often times not even picked up. The system matters. So to say, "oh well look at the passing yards Denard had so obviously he can pass" is an invalid argument. The spread aided his passing numbers because teams were so freaked out about the run. Is it possible that Denard can be a good pro style QB? Of course, he is a fantastic athlete. Do I think that is the most likely outcome? No, honeslty I don't. But I know one thing, his numbers within the spread have zero bearing on his numbers in a pro-style offense.

Yes, he threw for over 2k yards and had a lot of stats as a QB in a spread system. That doesn't mean he will have similar success in a pro-style system. Look at the numbers all the QB's for Tech had over the years. How many of them had any success in the NFL in a pro system? Zero. The system matters.

Why do I have to just stop? Why can't I have an opinion? I love Denard, I think he seems like a great person and is obviously an incredible athlete. Why can't I have an opinion that in a pro-style offense he may not be the best QB on the team? Which by the way, a whole lot of college coaches agree with me because only spread teams recruited him as a QB and Steve Sharik in his diary says what may be best for Denard is a trasnfer to Oregon.

I am not bashing Denard, I want him to stay desperately. In fact, I hope we run an offense that suits his skills so that we keep him at QB. But if, and only if, we run a pro-style offense, I think that Denard might not be our best QB, I think DG or someone might be better in that system. And if Denard isn't the starting QB, which in that scenario it's possible he won't be, then why not put the best athlete on the team on the field in another capacity? The "group think" that the point system creates can be really annoying sometimes.

I am not hating on Denard, I don't want him to transfer, I fully support the team and Denard. I am just sharing my opinion that it's POSSIBLE Denard isn't the best QB on the team if we use a pro-style offense. For everyone to get their panties in a bunch about that pretty reasonable suggestion is crazy to me.

And all the comparisons below to Vick are fairly irrelevant. Sure, they are both mobile and athletic QB's, but that doesn't mean Denard is Vick or Vick is Denard.

Is Denard best at QB if we don't run the spread though? I have my doubts. He is a superb spread QB, but if they start running a more traditional offense I don't know if he is the best QB anymore. Also, his best shot at the pros probably is at another position. I really hope he stays because he is an incredible athlete and weapon no matter where he plays, but I honestly don't know if he is our best option at QB if we aren't running the spread.

OHHHHH, oh ok. All I have to do is say "That's what I thought" and that means I agree with you and you are right. I think there is a different situation when football is a violent sport for starters, and also the contact to start with was legal and then Woodson was defending himself. That is a different situation from starting something with someone who didn't say a word to you or touch you like Darius did several times, don't you think? That's what I thought.

Absurd? I want our players to be respectful to their coach. I'm not on here taking shots at his game or his effort, but slapping the coaches hand away is disrespectful and shouldn't happen. And despite what other people on here say, I don't like him talking so much crap. It looked like Craft was in his head if you ask me. I want him fired up and passionate, but that doesn't have to carry over into poor sportsmanship. It doesn't have to carry over into him staring Lighty down after Darius made a layup and then walking past the team huddle to chirp some more at Lighty and have Bartlestein (sp?) have to go get him and bring him back to the huddle. Those kind of things have no place in the game if you ask me and aren't the kind of things I want representing the team. Again, I want fire, I want passion, but those things aren't necessary in order to have that.

Well I played basketball in HS (cool story I know) so it happened to me many times. My coach would never have let us look away with the kind of look on his face Darius has. He definitely wouldn't have let us slap his hand away.

Mike Cox is definitely as good as he thinks he is, and his attitude is always great. For example, when my wife got pregnant and everyone told me I'd never have sex again, Mike Cox refused to believe it, and plowed ahead as usual.

I watched two nights of the Stanley Cup when the Red Wings won it a few years ago on my honeymoon. It's my honeymoon too, so some nights we do what I want a.k.a. I watch hockey and she goes to bed early. Keep your pimp hand strong

I just find it unreal that they are saying we have proof that his dad asked for money from MSU, but we don't have proof Cam knew about it, so he's not in trouble. What a horrible, horrible precedent that sets for future high school athletes. So parents just have to leave their kids out of the process entirely, shop them around, and the kid never gets in trouble? Good idea NCAA

hmmmm, that's interesting. I'm pretty sure both Floyd and Odoms played too much for a medical redshirt, so if they are capable of practicing, I would hope they can play. Floyd in particular would be a boost. Not that I don't love Odoms, we are just deeper at WR.

As a former teenage boy, I can tell you that all teenage boys are idiots. You will agree when you are no longer one. I was told this as a teenager and it angered me. Now, as I realize its truth, I pass it on.

yanno, I've been saying the same thing for 3 years, but maybe we can't anymore. Sure, the plays are there and the players are missing open receivers, dropping passes, fumbling, etc., but they've been doing it for 3 years. 1 game, maybe 1 season, you can say bad plays buy the guys on the field. But at some point, is the coaching staff not responsible for teaching better ball security, better concentration on catches, etc? I think the staff has to be held some what accountable for the epidemic that has been our turnover problem.