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guys I have a theory about how kakashi got the MS.maybe madara realy is obito.maybe when obit/madara got the MS,automaticly kakashi got the MS too as kakashi has obitos eye.in confirmed 425 manga spoilers we see kakashi talking to his father and he also sees asuma,we know they are realy dead.but he doesnot see rin and obito. why?!!maybe because they are alive.rin just left the village and never came back.nobody can say she is dead.and obito may haven been saved by someone.who knows...otherwise I cant excplaing kakashi having the MS

Kakashi did level is Sharingan from 1 tomoe to 3, so it's safe to say he can evolve it further. As for the 'kill your best friend rule' he's already experienced the pain of being to blame for his best friend's death.

guys I have a theory about how kakashi got the MS.maybe madara realy is obito.maybe when obit/madara got the MS,automaticly kakashi got the MS too as kakashi has obitos eye.in confirmed 425 manga spoilers we see kakashi talking to his father and he also sees asuma,we know they are realy dead.but he doesnot see rin and obito. why?!!maybe because they are alive.rin just left the village and never came back.nobody can say she is dead.and obito may haven been saved by someone.who knows...otherwise I cant excplaing kakashi having the MS

HIs sharingan is different from the others it seems. cuz itachi and them never used the time/space jutsu. so im thinking he can activate it differently. even then as the other guy said not only does he have the guilt of his fathers death but blames himself for obitos as well

guys I have a theory about how kakashi got the MS.maybe madara realy is obito.maybe when obit/madara got the MS,automaticly kakashi got the MS too as kakashi has obitos eye.in confirmed 425 manga spoilers we see kakashi talking to his father and he also sees asuma,we know they are realy dead.but he doesnot see rin and obito. why?!!maybe because they are alive.rin just left the village and never came back.nobody can say she is dead.and obito may haven been saved by someone.who knows...otherwise I cant excplaing kakashi having the MS

Sharingan?

first thing clear Tobi/Mandara is not Obito
second Obito and Rin is dead
third Kakashi's Sharingan is diffrent from all other sharingan and heres the reasons
first he didnt get it by birth
second he only got one
third he cant use the sharingan like a Uchiha with both
forth hes abilities with sharingan including mangekyo mayby beacuz he only got one
a real mangekyo sharingan have 3 abillities black fire, genjutsu of a higher level and the greatest of them all wich name i cant remember the one itachi used in the fight with Sasuke
and kakashi's only have one or two or both is the same im not sure the time and dimensinel and the one with the black holes
so it makes clear to is that Kakashi's mangekyo Sharingan is gained through really hard training

first thing clear Tobi/Mandara is not Obito
second Obito and Rin is dead
third Kakashi's Sharingan is diffrent from all other sharingan and heres the reasons
first he didnt get it by birth
second he only got one
third he cant use the sharingan like a Uchiha with both
forth hes abilities with sharingan including mangekyo mayby beacuz he only got one
a real mangekyo sharingan have 3 abillities black fire, genjutsu of a higher level and the greatest of them all wich name i cant remember the one itachi used in the fight with Sasuke
and kakashi's only have one or two or both is the same im not sure the time and dimensinel and the one with the black holes
so it makes clear to is that Kakashi's mangekyo Sharingan is gained through really hard training

i can't rule out that tobi might be obito... no more than i will give up on kakashi surviving this battle. has anyone seen tobi's MS? so far kakashi and tobi are the only sharingan users that have used time/space jutsu so i think it's still a possibility that tobi is obito. if tobi's MS looks like kakashi's then that would be all the proof i'd need. i just can't for the life of me remember ever seeing tobi's MS. all sharigans look the same up until they evolve to MS. i do believe kakashi awakened his MS through hard training like madara and his brother did originally. madara only killed his bro to get EMS. i'm just saying, i still think it's possible that kakashi survive and tobi=obito.

Tobi is Mandara

Originally Posted by zagubus

i can't rule out that tobi might be obito... no more than i will give up on kakashi surviving this battle. has anyone seen tobi's MS? so far kakashi and tobi are the only sharingan users that have used time/space jutsu so i think it's still a possibility that tobi is obito. if tobi's MS looks like kakashi's then that would be all the proof i'd need. i just can't for the life of me remember ever seeing tobi's MS. all sharigans look the same up until they evolve to MS. i do believe kakashi awakened his MS through hard training like madara and his brother did originally. madara only killed his bro to get EMS. i'm just saying, i still think it's possible that kakashi survive and tobi=obito.

ok then see it this way Tobi is mandara and mandaras sharingan you have seen, and it doesent look anything like kakashi'sits its 3 cirkles combined in a cirkle with a line going out from each small cirkle i cant post pic yet unfortunally

i can't rule out that tobi might be obito... no more than i will give up on kakashi surviving this battle. has anyone seen tobi's MS? so far kakashi and tobi are the only sharingan users that have used time/space jutsu so i think it's still a possibility that tobi is obito. if tobi's MS looks like kakashi's then that would be all the proof i'd need. i just can't for the life of me remember ever seeing tobi's MS. all sharigans look the same up until they evolve to MS. i do believe kakashi awakened his MS through hard training like madara and his brother did originally. madara only killed his bro to get EMS. i'm just saying, i still think it's possible that kakashi survive and tobi=obito.

true but he didnt kill his borther i rmbr stated somhere in forum his brother died in war so after he lost his eyes he still fought on :S

ok then see it this way Tobi is mandara and mandaras sharingan you have seen, and it doesent look anything like kakashi'sits its 3 cirkles combined in a cirkle with a line going out from each small cirkle i cant post pic yet unfortunally

that's kinda what i meant. we all know what madara's MS looks like and we all know what kakashi's MS looks like. so if tobi has the same MS as madara then he's obviously madara and visa versa. all i'm saying is that we haven't seen tobi activate his MS, at least i don't remember seeing it. it's not that i'm a die hard believer that tobi=obito, i'm really not and frankly i don't care who tobi is any more lol. i just meant to say that i'm not ruling out that tobi MIGHT be obito.

but this really isn't the thread for all this tobi=(?) talk. how did i get sucked into this again?

HIs sharingan is different from the others it seems. cuz itachi and them never used the time/space jutsu. so im thinking he can activate it differently. even then as the other guy said not only does he have the guilt of his fathers death but blames himself for obitos as well

every person is individual user of sharingan.all right with kakashi we have a different situation here compared to itachi but what aboit tobi?!...he is uchiha too but he doesnot have amateratsu and sussano and itachi did not have time/space jutsu.so your proof doesnot mean anything.
and about kakashi blaming himself about obito/father dying.so what?for activating MS you must KILL a friend which kakashi has not done.I dont agree with the theory that by blaming himself in obito's death he could activate the MS.plus when obito and his father died kakashi did not have the sharingan.he learnt about his father's death during the mission and rin transfered obitos eye to him after obitos death!

first thing clear Tobi/Mandara is not Obito
second Obito and Rin is dead
third Kakashi's Sharingan is diffrent from all other sharingan and heres the reasons
first he didnt get it by birth
second he only got one
third he cant use the sharingan like a Uchiha with both
forth hes abilities with sharingan including mangekyo mayby beacuz he only got one
a real mangekyo sharingan have 3 abillities black fire, genjutsu of a higher level and the greatest of them all wich name i cant remember the one itachi used in the fight with Sasuke
and kakashi's only have one or two or both is the same im not sure the time and dimensinel and the one with the black holes
so it makes clear to is that Kakashi's mangekyo Sharingan is gained through really hard training

man WTF?!who told you rin is dead?!she just left konoha and thats all we know about her.tobi also has one eye so what?he can use his sharingan perfectly!!and mangekyo sharingan does not have 3 abilities as u said.there might be many more.noone of uchiha had amateratsu or sussanoo except itachi because he created them.many more teqniques can be created.it depends on ninjas knowlidge and capability.we dont know tobis abilities yet.we only know he uses time/space jutsu.maybe he also has created his own MS teqniques who knows.so...first think and only then post!

I did think!

Originally Posted by konoha s beautiful beast

man WTF?!who told you rin is dead?!she just left konoha and thats all we know about her.tobi also has one eye so what?he can use his sharingan perfectly!!and mangekyo sharingan does not have 3 abilities as u said.there might be many more.noone of uchiha had amateratsu or sussanoo except itachi because he created them.many more teqniques can be created.it depends on ninjas knowlidge and capability.we dont know tobis abilities yet.we only know he uses time/space jutsu.maybe he also has created his own MS teqniques who knows.so...first think and only then post!

how many people inNaruto has ever gained MS?...
lets see about that there is: Mandara/Tobi, Itachi, Sasuke and Kakashi even know i dont think Kakashi's is a real MS
lets now see what they have ever used of abbilities
they have used: Tsukiyomi, amastruma what ever the black flames are called, the justu where Itachi summons that big thing.
then there is Kakashi who use the time and space sharingan if you ask me his sharingan is nothing like the rest i wouldent even call Kakashi's a MS, you just think it is but are you really sure who has ever called MS in the manga... none so why are people saying all the time "kakashi's MS" who the hell started that i know all youre minds cuz what you saw was... he evolved his Sharingan and becuz he did that evrybody assumed that it had to be MS cuz thats the "ONLY" explenation... why?
and yes there is rummors of more powers to the MS or wait no thats the EMS
that should have powers to control the kyubi and all that crap and then there is the theory that brings us back to when Sharingan was born.(im not gonna do a whole paper of that story so ill cut to the point)
the theory is that the Father of the Sharingan was sealed...
and the only way to unseal him is to do one of each MS abilities on the seal at the same time...
well its a old theory that brought a light on why Itachi wanted Sasuke to get MS...
so im just bringing up old stuff. and cant even remember the site i dicussed it on anymore.

hah! you want to say that everyone is mistaken and you are the only one who knows the truth?!...heh!
of course kakashi has MS.regular sharingan is not able to make time/space hole and teleport a bomb somewhere else.regular sharingan only sees movements that are to be made and chakra frow.thats it!
if YOU think kakashi's MS is not MS it's your problem and you are mistaken.
YES!there are not many people who gained MS,but who even gained it has used it in defferent ways and each of them is spesifical.from the 4 MS or EMS users every of them is diiferent and dont look like at each other.as I said it deppends on sharingan user's individuality!
sharingan is a gift which's true power cannot be revealed yet.evertone who has it unlockes different ways of it's usage.so dont tell me you are the smartest guy here and you know everything about everything.thats just....rude!

huh?

Originally Posted by konoha s beautiful beast

hah! you want to say that everyone is mistaken and you are the only one who knows the truth?!...heh!
of course kakashi has MS.regular sharingan is not able to make time/space hole and teleport a bomb somewhere else.regular sharingan only sees movements that are to be made and chakra frow.thats it!
if YOU think kakashi's MS is not MS it's your problem and you are mistaken.
YES!there are not many people who gained MS,but who even gained it has used it in defferent ways and each of them is spesifical.from the 4 MS or EMS users every of them is diiferent and dont look like at each other.as I said it deppends on sharingan user's individuality!
sharingan is a gift which's true power cannot be revealed yet.evertone who has it unlockes different ways of it's usage.so dont tell me you are the smartest guy here and you know everything about everything.thats just....rude!

1. i didnt say say i knew all
2. i didnt say that Kakashi's Sharingan
3. i did say it had evolved
3. what i said you dont know if its MS
4. not even kakashi knows there is such thing as MS
5. how can any1 be sure thats Kakashi's sharingan is MS?
6. so tell am i rude to tell what i know isent this i side where you discuss things like that??

deamn man!!!!!!!!!!! do you know what sharingan looks like?! it is one spot arround three spots.any other decoration of sharingan is mangekou sharingan!can't you get it?!of course kakashis time/space jutsu is MS!!!!!!!!!! there's no doubt of it! somebody help me!!!!!!!