Couldn't come up with a name so decided to keep it simple and begin with a quote from JK.

JK: "When you play in the Premier League and Bundesliga, you are on your toes 24-7. If you make mistakes, you are going to hear from everybody. There are different levels of competition out there that I have to analyze, and I have to weigh in individually, ‘How good is that kid now?'

"Maybe someone [in Europe] doesn't get in the starting 11, but I know he is playing a high level week in and week out within his team. Players here in MLS, they do not have competition in their teams. It's just the way it is. They are not putting national team players or [high-salary] designated players on the bench" competing for starting jobs.

Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC

snipes87Cleveland, Ohio

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Friday September 4, 2015 3:37am

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I love Jurgen. I hope he never leaves the USMNT.

If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1

admsghs27

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Friday September 4, 2015 3:53am

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Original post from snipes87

I love Jurgen. I hope he never leaves the USMNT.

Yes he will Bring us 2 or 3 World Cups by the time he is gone!!!! Well Yes is Possible with an All German Starting Line up!!!!

Heck Lets Hire Dunga or even Pele if not Ronaldo!!! i heard there are a bit over 1.5 Million Brazilian Americans living here and in Brazil/Abroad. If we can get a solid 23 we are good to go!!!!

Jzaval01

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Friday September 4, 2015 4:20am

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oh god lol

blaise213

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Friday September 4, 2015 4:54am

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Trump 2016!

admsghs27

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Friday September 4, 2015 6:29am

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Original post from blaise213

Trump 2016!

+10000000000

2toneTen-Towns

Post #7

Friday September 4, 2015 7:30am

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I get his argument. But I don't entirely agree with it fully. I think we all know MLS isn't up to most big European leagues standards yet. But MLS is the future of a better USMNT. Not one USMNT team has equalled the 2002 team. And Bruce started 5 to 6 MLS players in most every game.

Landon, Beasley, Wolf, Mathis, Mcbride, Mastroeni, Pope, we're all integral players during that QF run and all were playing in MLS at the time.

Would I like to see more American players playing in Champions league caliber teams? Absolutely, but the reality is that is not happening. MLS gives players a league to compete in that is getting more and more competitive every year.

admsghs27

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Friday September 4, 2015 9:10am

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MLS AMERICANS > CHAMPIONS LEAGUE AMERICANS!!!!

MSantoine

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Friday September 4, 2015 2:28pm

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Its hard to argue the two main facts in that snippet.

1) When you play in the Premier League and Bundesliga, you are on your toes 24-7. If you make mistakes, you are going to hear from everybody.

2) Players here in MLS, they do not have competition in their teams. It's just the way it is. They are not putting national team players or [high-salary] designated players on the bench" competing for starting jobs.

The US media doesnt critique a poor string of MLS performances. There arent main stream news papers (Boston Globe, Washington Post, etc) that have daily articles discussing the MLS team/players. Also as we saw with Seattle and Dempsey last year and with Jozy with Toronto this year even when they suck they still get put out there week in, week out. Maybe they get a midweek game off but thats the extent of it. Theres no benching as MLS needs their brand name out there or they get even less mentions then now. Also in practice in EPL, Bundes, etc the 25 man practices, drills, scrimmages, are against other professionals that are capable of playing international football. In MLS your playing against college guys who will never be starters above NASL level and a couple 16, 17 year olds that may or may not be good.

TheTruth

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Friday September 4, 2015 3:58pm

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No one disagrees with that, but we all agree that the future of MLS = the future of USMNT. As A gets better, B gets better.

hamsamwich

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Friday September 4, 2015 4:03pm

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MLS doesn't really consider itself to have international talent as they schedule games during all the breaks. The only international players MLS considers itself to have are the USMNT, and Don Garber makes the schedule in that case. Good thing he took things into consideration- oh wait he could care less.

***from the Goff article- Jürgen said in passing about the referees and corruption of concacaf something to this effect: "there is a cloud above us called concacaf, and above that an even bigger cloud called fifa. They are at different altitude levels" and said he hopes the copa2016 still gets played.

MSantoine

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Friday September 4, 2015 5:00pm

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Original post from TheTruth

No one disagrees with that, but we all agree that the future of MLS = the future of USMNT. As A gets better, B gets better.

I would disagree with this. MLS has been getting better exponentially the last 5-10 years. The US team has not. As more youth players are able to join euro club reserves then the strength of MLS has less impact on the strength of USNT

2toneTen-Towns

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Friday September 4, 2015 5:45pm

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The US team has more talented doth than it has ever had. A lot of that is due to MLS. Playing in Champions league caliber teams does not mean the national team will be better. How did Rngland and Italy do in 2014? How did the African teams do? Hard to get a correlation in that regard. Brazil use to dominate with players strictly from the Brazilian team.

I still argue why Spain and Germany won the last two WC's is because their squads were pretty much constructed from two or three teams from their respective domestic leagues.

Spank661

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Friday September 4, 2015 6:14pm

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Original post from 2tone
I still argue why Spain and Germany won the last two WC's is because their squads were pretty much constructed from two or three teams from their respective domestic leagues.

I clearly get what you're saying but until MLS is up to par with Spain or Germany this argument is bogus.

2toneTen-Towns

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Friday September 4, 2015 6:28pm

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Not bogus at all. Last I looked 2002 happened and that team outplayed a German squad comprised from the Bundesliga.

That team started 4 MLS players, and brought in Clint Mathis and Josh Wolf as subs.