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Hello everybody, my name is Paolo Iommi, and I am a great friend and collaborator of Serge.

Yesterday Serge was invited to join to your Forum from a fan, and Serge ask me to help him with the registration to your site/put the profile photo, etc..etc... I sent him username, password and links of that topic. From now he will write here and answer to all his fans. You can write in english or french as well.If you want to contact Serge in private you can send a PM or send a mail trought his new site http://www.sergenubret.com page "Contact". I saw that this forum is very similar to the forum of Ironage that Serge is already a member, so it will be easy for him to start! Thank you every body. Paolo from Italy

Hello everybody, my name is Paolo Iommi, and I am a great friend and collaborator of Serge.

Yesterday Serge was invited to join to your Forum from a fan, and Serge ask me to help him with the registration to your site/put the profile photo, etc..etc... I sent him username, password and links of that topic. From now he will write here and answer to all his fans. You can write in english or french as well.If you want to contact Serge in private you can send a PM or send a mail trought his new site http://www.sergenubret.com page "Contact". I saw that this forum is very similar to the forum of Ironage that Serge is already a member, so it will be easy for him to start! Thank you every body. Paolo from Italy

Ok Serge... I finished my jobA+

Are you related to Tony Iommi, the legendary guitarist of Black Sabbath fame?

Hello everybody, my name is Paolo Iommi, and I am a great friend and collaborator of Serge.

Yesterday Serge was invited to join to your Forum from a fan, and Serge ask me to help him with the registration to your site/put the profile photo, etc..etc... I sent him username, password and links of that topic. From now he will write here and answer to all his fans. You can write in english or french as well.If you want to contact Serge in private you can send a PM or send a mail trought his new site http://www.sergenubret.com page "Contact". I saw that this forum is very similar to the forum of Ironage that Serge is already a member, so it will be easy for him to start! Thank you every body. Paolo from Italy

Serge come over the History Board. Nobody can say anything bad there. Also, if this is the real Serge I am pretty sure any ragging from anyone on here will get them a ban for awhile from Ron. Serge is way above any kind of "owning" anyone can give him on here. But, with some of the dummies on here it is sure to come. Serge is to bodybuilding as Vince G. is to looking like shit. We need him here

Title: Re: Serge Nubret is here
Post by: Army of One on December 01, 2006, 11:00:47 AM

Serge come over the History Board. Nobody can say anything bad there. Also, if this is the real Serge I am pretty sure any ragging from anyone on here will get them a ban for awhile from Ron. Serge is way above any kind of "owning" anyone can give him on here. But, with some of the dummies on here it is sure to come. Serge is to bodybuilding as Vince G. is to looking like shit. We need him here

Serge come over the History Board. Nobody can say anything bad there. Also, if this is the real Serge I am pretty sure any ragging from anyone on here will get them a ban for awhile from Ron. Serge is way above any kind of "owning" anyone can give him on here. But, with some of the dummies on here it is sure to come. Serge is to bodybuilding as Vince G. is to looking like shit. We need him here

ahhahahahha..'vince g. is to looking like shit'..hahahah ;D

Title: Re: Serge Nubret is here
Post by: Army of One on December 01, 2006, 11:05:51 AM

Serge come over the History Board. Nobody can say anything bad there. Also, if this is the real Serge I am pretty sure any ragging from anyone on here will get them a ban for awhile from Ron. Serge is way above any kind of "owning" anyone can give him on here. But, with some of the dummies on here it is sure to come. Serge is to bodybuilding as Vince G. is to looking like shit. We need him here

Agreed if it really is him then we surely do have a true legend on this board and he should be treated with the utmost respect, he is a life long bodybuilder from before the time of even the greatest King Arnold and is still doing it to this day. I would love to hear feedback and great stories from him.

Hello everybody, my name is Paolo Iommi, and I am a great friend and collaborator of Serge.

Yesterday Serge was invited to join to your Forum from a fan, and Serge ask me to help him with the registration to your site/put the profile photo, etc..etc... I sent him username, password and links of that topic. From now he will write here and answer to all his fans. You can write in english or french as well.If you want to contact Serge in private you can send a PM or send a mail trought his new site http://www.sergenubret.com page "Contact". I saw that this forum is very similar to the forum of Ironage that Serge is already a member, so it will be easy for him to start! Thank you every body. Paolo from Italy

Are you related to Tony Iommi, the legendary guitarist of Black Sabbath fame?

YIPZack

Paolo is a very good freind of mine helping me with all kind of computer and Internet system, as you know I am 68 years old and not familier with all thos moderns tools., but without those I won't be able to talk to all of you today.Paolo is from Italy and help me to finalize my Website : www.sergenubret.com But I will let him to tell you about his familly and if he is related to Tony Iommi.

Hey, any opporutunity to get a bb legend like Serge Nubert on board is worth investigating and getting confirmation, but if it is true lets not run him off before registering.

That is the best decision.

Serge

We'll have plenty of time to run him off after he registers. ;)

Title: Re: Serge Nubret is here
Post by: Army of One on December 01, 2006, 12:45:41 PM

Hi Serge, just to say its an Honor to have you here.I truly believe you had the best physique aesthetically there has ever been on a pro stage.I was blown away by it when I first saw Pumping Iron, far more so than Arnolds.

Agreed if it really is him then we surely do have a true legend on this board and he should be treated with the utmost respect, he is a life long bodybuilder from before the time of even the greatest King Arnold and is still doing it to this day. I would love to hear feedback and great stories from him.

I am here to let you know any freeback and great stories you will ask me for, but about training and diet too. By the way visit my website : www.sergenubret.com and my 1000 Gallery photos that you can find on : www.google.fr by typing just "serge nubret"

I am here to let you know any freeback and great stories you will ask me for, but about training and diet too. By the way visit my website : www.sergenubret.com and my 1000 Gallery photos that you can find on : www.google.fr by typing just "serge nubret"

Welcome Serge , how do you look nowdays, have you a recent pic of yourself?

I don't have any pucture of me right now, but I will ask Paolo to post some maybe tonight if he is still on the line. So please Paolo can you post this photo of me when I guest pose 3 years ago at 65 years old. and maybe some of those we did did 2 weeks ago to Panattasport in Italy. I hope he is there, this guy is very good about everything on computer, so we form a very good team.

Hi Serge, just to say its an Honor to have you here.I truly believe you had the best physique aesthetically there has ever been on a pro stage.I was blown away by it when I first saw Pumping Iron, far more so than Arnolds.

serge welcome to the forum. you were an awesome bb, one of the greatest of all time. many professional bb today overdo it with the drugs and eating and hence look nothing like the physiques of your time, which are still considered the ideal to many. this is still a topic of debate here on getbig today.

we rarely get chances to hear what people took back in the 60s and 70s since pros of that era dont post much. if you still find it taboo to write a detailed description i understand, but i think many here would appreciate hearing the truth and being able to compare it to what they've heard/experienced.

it may even help people who have gone overboard in their pursuit for size, and will thus realize that more is not always better if in fact you guys used less than the pros do now, which many of us assume.

so to reiterate, the pros of today will not speak about their hormone use because they are still actively competing, but as a non competitor could you tell us what some of your diet and hormone consumption looked like back in the 70's?

I'll give it the benefit of a doubt. Serge had one of the best physiques in the sport's history. The average person could look at Serge and be impressed; the averagre person looks at on of today's pros and all they think is "Steroids." :(

Hi Serge, So how many sets and reps did you really do per muscle groups? Did you really only do one exercise for your biceps? Thanks!! :)

The best I can do is to post here my training routine that if you want you can telecharge. About my arms, yes I usually do one exercice but every work out arms day I change exercice.This routine program is in french and english.

Serge, I remember in a Musclemag article, you stated that you never overtrain even though you do all these sets and reps.

You state that your body recovers quickly because you give yourself adequate rest and nutrition?

I tried doing that before and I still find myself overtraining and taking a long time to heal from a brutal workout...especially legs...

Id love to learn more from you

I let my SUBCONSCIENT to guide my, and your SUBCONSCIENT is more cleaver that any kind of book, because it is your GOD if you are in perfect communion with your 3 powers : your mind power - your emmotional power - and your physical power.

But I will give more about this which I developped in my book "JE SUIS....MOI ET DIEU" or in english "I AM...ME AND GOD"

I will answer in this way : I start bodybuilding in 1958 and 2 year later i won the title of the must muscular man in the world, it was an IFBB contest which was helded in Montreal, You know my physic how can they declared me the must muscular man in the World with with kind of physic? and with a 20 inches arm, but I leart later that the federation was not ready to admit that a black man win this title of "Mr. UNIVERSE" don't forget it was in 1960. And I can tell you that I did not know nothing about those products. So I knew that it was possible to have 22 inches arm, without that, I know a lot of people won't beleive it, but the first thing they ask you now, it is what are you taking but never what are you doing.

I will answer in this way : I start bodybuilding in 1958 and 2 year later i won the title of the must muscular man in the world, it was an IFBB contest which was helded in Montreal, You know my physic how can they declared me the must muscular man in the World with with kind of physic? and with a 20 inches arm, but I leart later that the federation was not ready to admit that a black man win this title of "Mr. UNIVERSE" don't forget it was in 1960. And I can tell you that I did not know nothing about those products. So I knew that it was possible to have 22 inches arm, without that, I know a lot of people won't beleive it, but the first thing they ask you now, it is what are you taking but never what are you doing.

Serge

hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!, you're not saying that your arms were 22 inches are you Serge?

but the first thing they ask you now, it is what are you taking but never what are you doing.

Serge

it is very easy to find out what a training regimine is, as people are quite open about it, but since no one talks about the pharmacologicals then obviously that becomes the more asked question. everyone wants to know ALL the pieces of the puzzle, not just 2/3.

serge welcome to the forum. you were an awesome bb, one of the greatest of all time. many professional bb today overdo it with the drugs and eating and hence look nothing like the physiques of your time, which are still considered the ideal to many. this is still a topic of debate here on getbig today.

we rarely get chances to hear what people took back in the 60s and 70s since pros of that era dont post much. if you still find it taboo to write a detailed description i understand, but i think many here would appreciate hearing the truth and being able to compare it to what they've heard/experienced.

it may even help people who have gone overboard in their pursuit for size, and will thus realize that more is not always better if in fact you guys used less than the pros do now, which many of us assume.

so to reiterate, the pros of today will not speak about their hormone use because they are still actively competing, but as a non competitor could you tell us what some of your diet and hormone consumption looked like back in the 70's?

thanks

If I am here to post i to tell the truth. I think that I just answer some of those questions that every body here wants to know.

I'll give it the benefit of a doubt. Serge had one of the best physiques in the sport's history. The average person could look at Serge and be impressed; the averagre person looks at on of today's pros and all they think is "Steroids." :(

How can you be so right, I used to train 3/5 hours a day. And now only 45 mn a day, what that how someone can be a champion with this kind of training. None other sport in the world that can happened. So BB is a sport or not????? If is NO that means I lost 48 years of my time. If is yes stop those products, so why WEIDER does not act now?....

My friends and co-workers (I work at a gym) think I am crazy for training 2+hours a day with mostly high volume and everything but legs twice a week, after hearing you say you trained 3-5 hours a day I don't feel quite so crazy anymore. Don't get me wrong some days when I do cardio or am making up for a day I missed I easily go over 3 hours, I just love training and can't get enough of it.

1. How many meals per day, rumor says 12. Any cardio3. some say you trained for 3 hours then, ate horse flesh for 2 hours, then sex for another 4 hours4. Can you clear up the whole weider/arnold banning you story?5. Do you have any pics before you started training?6. ronnie or dorian?7. your views on the current eating regiments and large amounts of protein consumed

We officially have a legend here; I still can't believe f'n Nubret is on GB. Hopefully, he'll enjoy our honesty and respect, and he'll spend more time here then anywhere else ( cough, cough...MD nuthuggers...cough, cough).

Hardly known; should be discussed. Can't remember if they were adult movies or just the standard French movies with a little nudity that are commonly shown elsehwhere but off-limits on public TV in the US. :-\

indeed a legendsomeone get a hold of arnold and tell him to register,,he most likley wont write much,,but he will register. serge should let arnold know hes on getbig also,,and bring sergio and larry too ;)

indeed a legendsomeone get a hold of arnold and tell him to register,,he most likley wont write much,,but he will register. serge should let arnold know hes on getbig also,,and bring sergio and larry too ;)

Maybe Sylvester Stallone? That would be pretty sweet, although I have it on good authority that Bluto is indeed Sly.

Question for you: Which bodypart of yours was most difficult to grow? Which was easiest? Finally, what was your main protein source back in the 70's when you were training hard. Chicken, beef, protein shakes, etc?

Regards,

Rudee

Title: Re: Serge Nubret is here
Post by: Army of One on December 01, 2006, 05:23:01 PM

Serge, thanks for posting your routine!! I do recall from Ironage that you said you had hip sugery. A replacement from what I think you said. Yes everyone, this is the great Serge Nubret. Joe also knows this from his posting on Ironage. You're one of the greatest. Glad to have you here!!! :)

Interesting to read Serge's routine as I just did. I wonder if I could pull off this routine and make gains. Volume training seems to work for me...its just the time constraints of attempting to hit the gym six days a week for one and one-half hours per session. :-\

I just want to say I am proud of all my Getbig brothers and sisters for this thread. We are all paying the respect due to Serge and I love it. Good job, it just shows everyone has good in them. Except you Vince, you don't count.

My friends and co-workers (I work at a gym) think I am crazy for training 2+hours a day with mostly high volume and everything but legs twice a week, after hearing you say you trained 3-5 hours a day I don't feel quite so crazy anymore. Don't get me wrong some days when I do cardio or am making up for a day I missed I easily go over 3 hours, I just love training and can't get enough of it.

Don't worry about what people say just train the way you subconscient ask you to do, and if your diet is good too Those people who are thinking to day that you are crazy will be those will approch soon to ask you about your training. I was in this case years ago, and I am still there.

My friends and co-workers (I work at a gym) think I am crazy for training 2+hours a day with mostly high volume and everything but legs twice a week, after hearing you say you trained 3-5 hours a day I don't feel quite so crazy anymore. Don't get me wrong some days when I do cardio or am making up for a day I missed I easily go over 3 hours, I just love training and can't get enough of it.

Welcome Serge, I met you a few times in some old NABBA and WABBA shows back in the 70's/80's. You are looking good but wait until you are 72 like me. I seemed to lose all my muscle when I turned 70 as there pics below show.And where are MY blue stars?????

Hi Jimmy, I am sorry about your blue stars, if you want I can ask to give you mine, I don't need them realy. In nearly one year more I will be 70 and my arms are still more than 20, I will teach you how to do that.

Hearing that you are posting on these boards is the greatest thing I have heard on here in a long time. Welcome aboard!

Did you ever have an opportunity to have a bigger role in the movie "Pumping Iron" and did you even now English at the time? Sorry if these are stupid questions.

NO it is not a stupid question. That is so fanny you asked me that, because they gave me a very good part in this movie, they want me to be a litle bit the MOHAMED ALI of body building, this I did easily as people told me several time that he lookes like me. But when they finished to film everything and told me that I was perfect, they offered me 200 $ saying that Arnold will get the same thing. Arnold is Arnold and Serge is Serge I answered, but they did not want to put a 20 000 $ on top so it is why I asked them do not used my picture. A lot of things I want to clearsify here.

1. How did you start training him? Did he come to you?2. Why do you think he got screwed so much (bad placings)?3. Do you still talk to him?

By the way, that photoshoot of you and Don Ross - amazing. You were the epitome of the perfect bodybuilder then.

When Thierry joinned my club in Paris I was not even there, I was away probably for a movie or something I forgot, but when I saw him, I knew that he will be the one. He was training like me. Sure he should be placed higher in every contest he took place, but you know more that this game, what a petty.

1. How many meals per day, rumor says 12. Any cardio3. some say you trained for 3 hours then, ate horse flesh for 2 hours, then sex for another 4 hours4. Can you clear up the whole weider/arnold banning you story?5. Do you have any pics before you started training?6. ronnie or dorian?7. your views on the current eating regiments and large amounts of protein consumed

1. How many meals per day, rumor says 12. Any cardio3. some say you trained for 3 hours then, ate horse flesh for 2 hours, then sex for another 4 hours4. Can you clear up the whole weider/arnold banning you story?5. Do you have any pics before you started training?6. ronnie or dorian?7. your views on the current eating regiments and large amounts of protein consumed

1. How many meals per day, rumor says 12. Any cardio3. some say you trained for 3 hours then, ate horse flesh for 2 hours, then sex for another 4 hours4. Can you clear up the whole weider/arnold banning you story?5. Do you have any pics before you started training?6. ronnie or dorian?7. your views on the current eating regiments and large amounts of protein consumed

thanks, and lots of respect to sir

Sorry here is my training program, it can be telelecharged and it is in english and french, I hope this program will help those whow body building is still a sport.

Wow!! This is great! I always believed that Arnold was 2nd to you in 1975. Your build is perfect. Nobody has come close to what yours was. It is a real treat to have you share your time with use. Your information to us all is priceless!! Hope you enjoy it here. This board tends to get out of hand at times and hope you stay on.

We officially have a legend here; I still can't believe f'n Nubret is on GB. Hopefully, he'll enjoy our honesty and respect, and he'll spend more time here then anywhere else ( cough, cough...MD nuthuggers...cough, cough).

I hope, but I have to let you know that I am posting to 11 others FORUMS. Because I want to defend my way to see Body buildind, and that is the only way I found to speak loudly. Even better than any kind of magasine that closed theire doors to those who don't think like them.

I did 25 movies, in one of them I was faking making love to a nice girl, and Weider took that as a pretexte to suspends me from the Mr. olympia, but every body know that is not why, it is only because they were afraid for their "PROTEGE" you see what I mean.Maybe If I was playing the same part but with a man I will not be suspended. Do you see what I mean?...

Hardly known; should be discussed. Can't remember if they were adult movies or just the standard French movies with a little nudity that are commonly shown elsehwhere but off-limits on public TV in the US. :-\

Don't hold your breath, it's the middle of the night in Paris.

It is the same if Weider suspended me if I ply in some gangter movie, I did 25 movies. What Weider think about LAST TANGO IN PARIS with Marlon BRONDO, I am sure that he will be proud to present him on stage if ever Marlon BRANDO come to watch any IFBB contest, NO?

Serge I just want to say it's an honor and I have always admired your physic.... I'm bloody speechless :)

I have a Question for you if I may:

At Pumping iron, when both you and Arnold were pumping up before the show, and Arnold said: Keep looking ... What did you say before that?

I don't remember exactly, some people said that I said I can tell, maybe that truth, but it was truth too that 1é days before I was sure to take him. If not I think the hall will be broken, can you beleive with 12 pounds more and more ripped, one minute I will try to find this picture I did 15 days before.

indeed a legendsomeone get a hold of arnold and tell him to register,,he most likley wont write much,,but he will register. serge should let arnold know hes on getbig also,,and bring sergio and larry too ;)

The problem is that not a lot of body builders think like me. I am the only body builder who was involve the fererations. What I mean by that only a very few want to give back to this sport , what this sport gave them, so it is difficult to go far in this way, who will do it for us?

Question for you: Which bodypart of yours was most difficult to grow? Which was easiest? Finally, what was your main protein source back in the 70's when you were training hard. Chicken, beef, protein shakes, etc?

Regards,

Rudee

I realy have difficulty to grow any muscle, because I think that my training was much like a mental thing, a metal training. So when your mind is there and you like what you are doing, everything seem to be easy, I hope you see what I mean.

1. I noticed you recommend 12 reps for most exercises. Did you personally ever go lower than 12 reps per set? In recent years there's been a trend of fewer sets and 4-6 reps up to 8 reps maximum, yet people like Ronnie Coleman rarely go below 12 reps per set and Lee Haney for the most part recommend at least 10 reps.

2. Some people claim they overtrain when doing too many sets, but I think this has more to do with them going to failure too often, not the number of sets. What's your opinion on going to failure? (with failure I mean reaching the point when you simply cannot, by your own, complete another rep no matter what)

Serge before you came here are you aware that this is the most negative bodybuilding forum out there?

That's not true, this board is the most honest one out there, to mods leave people be to most accounts and only give time out in extreme cases.This is a perfect board and one of the very rare once out there, I admit it is at times quit harsh and unforgiving, but there is no board out there were evern Pros (I'm not talking about baseless attacks) get a good wipping, why do you think they continue posting here?I believe getbig is more important to some of the pros than they want to admit.

to be the best bodybuilder you need to compete with the best bodybuilders on a stage and win. hmmm, i can't believe this sort of thing doesn't compute with some of you people. it seems so simple to understand. :-\

you people really do love your myths and legends. i'm getting a sense of de ja vu re the bruce lee thread in the mma section.

to be the best bodybuilder you need to compete with the best bodybuilders on a stage and win. hmmm, i can't believe this sort of thing doesn't compute with some of you people. it seems so simple to understand. :-\

you people really do love your myths and legends. i'm getting a sense of de ja vu re the bruce lee thread in the mma section.

Hi Serge. You haven't really discussed your diet at all. What are your favorite foods? what foods do you eat for bodybuilding that you don't like or are sick of? and how many calories do you eat? How is your overall health now at 69? Thanks.

That's not true, this board is the most honest one out there, to mods leave people be to most accounts and only give time out in extreme cases.This is a perfect board and one of the very rare once out there, I admit it is at times quit harsh and unforgiving, but there is no board out there were evern Pros (I'm not talking about baseless attacks) get a good wipping, why do you think they continue posting here?I believe getbig is more important to some of the pros than they want to admit.

I'm sure the mods will keep a close eye on this thread. ;)

this is the only board out there (beside steroid boards) that is worth registering to,,why? because the other boards are all built around kissing my ass,,while on this boardi hear the truth wether i like it or not.

getbig is very known among ifbb pros and im only one of quite few others,, that post here under diff identity. rest of the boards that are not steroid related,,are worthless,,because they are built wrongly from the core,,ful of pink colored "reality",,and have kids with no brain as moderators.

this is the only board out there (beside steroid boards) that is worth registering to,,why? because the other boards are all built around kissing my ass,,while on this boardi hear the truth wether i like it or not.

getbig is very known among ifbb pros and im only one of quite few others,, that post here under diff identity. rest of the boards that are not steroid related,,are worthless,,because they are built wrongly from the core,,ful of pink colored "reality",,and have kids with no brain as moderators.

I'm honored to be able to post something that the great Serge Nubret may actually read. I've always thought he had one of the greatest physiques of all time. His condition and balance were incredible. He had great size also. Perfect example of the ideal bodybuilding physique for me. When I want to get motivated for a great workout I just have to see shots of the bodybuilders from his era. No disrespect to today's pros, but I just prefer the look of the physiques in Serge's time. These guys weren't just worried about size, they made sure to etch in detail and keep their proportions exact. That is true bodybuilding to me. Schwarzenegger, Mentzer, Viator, Colombu, Oliva, Zane, Dickerson, etc. and of course Nubret...they will always be legends.

Serge, I'm awful proud to have you here and there are lots more like me who will look forward to any advice or info you can give us.

Don't worry about what people say just train the way you subconscient ask you to do, and if your diet is good too Those people who are thinking to day that you are crazy will be those will approch soon to ask you about your training. I was in this case years ago, and I am still there.

Serge

Well I am still very young, just turned 21 a few weeks ago and am on my way to having a quality phyisque just like you and many other had back in the good ol' days. I love bodybuilding but would never ruin my body with the things people use today, I would rather have a beautiful yet powerful physique then look like a mass monster. I try to keep my protein around 2 grams per pound of bodyweight on days I work out but I always feel my diet could be better (I love cheese on everything). When I train it's always on the fly and never planned out, I just do what feels right and listen to my body.

this is the only board out there (beside steroid boards) that is worth registering to,,why? because the other boards are all built around kissing my ass,,while on this boardi hear the truth wether i like it or not.

getbig is very known among ifbb pros and im only one of quite few others,, that post here under diff identity. rest of the boards that are not steroid related,,are worthless,,because they are built wrongly from the core,,ful of pink colored "reality",,and have kids with no brain as moderators.

I did 25 movies, in one of them I was faking making love to a nice girl, and Weider took that as a pretexte to suspends me from the Mr. olympia, but every body know that is not why, it is only because they were afraid for their "PROTEGE" you see what I mean.Maybe If I was playing the same part but with a man I will not be suspended. Do you see what I mean?...

Serge

Hah, that was a fantastic post. Very befitting of this board. Serge has our measure already

Well I am still very young, just turned 21 a few weeks ago and am on my way to having a quality phyisque just like you and many other had back in the good ol' days. I love bodybuilding but would never ruin my body with the things people use today, I would rather have a beautiful yet powerful physique then look like a mass monster. I try to keep my protein around 2 grams per pound of bodyweight on days I work out but I always feel my diet could be better (I love cheese on everything). When I train it's always on the fly and never planned out, I just do what feels right and listen to my body.

Good to hear.

I guess the only think current ifbb pros keep at 2grams per day is their test.

Yes it was, but I am not about today, becaus be a PRO world champion with only 45 mn training a day, that is far away what needed for. Tell me a real sport that the champions have to stay so litle time practicing their sport? But for me body building is an art too.

Mr. Nebret do you endorse using any food supplements like vitamins, creatine, etc. and if you do is there any particular brands that you endorse?

NO!... untill now I never ordorse any food supplements just because I never used one of them, I used to eat all my natural food specially red meat when I found my creatine. Funny that my body knew before everybody about creatine.

I heard from an old-time bodybuilder that Harold Poole really won the first Olympia, but Weider didn't want the first Mr. O to be black, so he made one of the judges change his vote.

Any truth to this, Serge?

That can be sure, that happen to me in 1960 when I competed in the IFBB universe in Canada, they just gave me the title of "THE MOST MUCULAR MAN IN THE WORLD" as a black man at this time could not win the Mr. Universe contest and 2 decades after when MAKAWI won the same title things have change, but Ben Weider has to tell him : YOU SEE MAKAWY YOU ARE BLACK ARAB AND YOU JUST WON THE TITLE OF MISTER UNIVERSE" thing has change since, but I don't think it is because of Weider.

Hello Mr. Nubret. It is an honor to have a legend such as yourself here talking with us. I was just wondering if you still talk to or have seen any of the "guys" like Arnold, Sergio, Lou, Columbo, Zane etc? Do you keep in contact with any of them? And which modern day bodybuilders physique do you like the best? Thank you.

That can be sure, that happen to me in 1960 when I competed in the IFBB universe in Canada, they just gave me the title of "THE MOST MUCULAR MAN IN THE WORLD" as a black man at this time could not win the Mr. Universe contest and 2 decades after when MAKAWI won the same title things have change, but Ben Weider has to tell him : YOU SEE MAKAWY YOU ARE BLACK ARAB AND YOU JUST WON THE TITLE OF MISTER UNIVERSE" thing has change since, but I don't think it is because of Weider.

I did 25 movies, in one of them I was faking making love to a nice girl, and Weider took that as a pretexte to suspends me from the Mr. olympia, but every body know that is not why, it is only because they were afraid for their "PROTEGE" you see what I mean.Maybe If I was playing the same part but with a man I will not be suspended. Do you see what I mean?...

Serge

That means that frank Zane and Dr.Franco Columbo would have never become Mr.O (1976-1979)

i cant get nubrets training files to open? can someone repost them in a different form?

Try copying and pasting the link to your browser address bar. I hope everyone notices that Serge just GAVE this information out FREE. I'd say that's quite generous folks. Not what we're used to these days. It speaks to the character of the man. He owes us nothing yet he gives anyway. I'd say that's awfully generous.

I can tell you that Serge trained at my Gym (Gold's Gym Redondo Beach, CA) for a period of time in the early 90's. I never trained with him but observed many workouts and what he has written about his training is accurate.

For those that have asked he gave his diet on the thread on Ironage.us. It was generous portions of red meat which he used to boil to draw out the fat, 8 oz. of rice and 8 ounces of beans a day (Correct me if I am wrong Serge).

Serge you have my respect because of the type of man you are and yes one of the most aweinspiring physigues of all time.

I had dinner with Peter Grymkowski this past week. He like you, enjoys every minute of life and asked me to say Hello to you and offer his best wishes.

fortunately it seems like serge is a great guy, he answers everything with actual paragraphs and has even showed signs of owning potential.

SERGE, one thing i always wondered about you was how you had such size and fullness while keeping your waist so tiny and absolutely chisled to the bone? and without cardio? your diet must have been 100% perfect.

I did 25 movies, in one of them I was faking making love to a nice girl, and Weider took that as a pretexte to suspends me from the Mr. olympia, but every body know that is not why, it is only because they were afraid for their "PROTEGE" you see what I mean.Maybe If I was playing the same part but with a man I will not be suspended. Do you see what I mean?...

Serge

HAHAHA Classic, I cant believe everyone missed this, it just confirmed everything I ever suspected, good on your Serge for not playing their "game"

Yes it was, but I am not about today, becaus be a PRO world champion with only 45 mn training a day, that is far away what needed for. Tell me a real sport that the champions have to stay so litle time practicing their sport? But for me body building is an art too.

Serge

Yes very true, it's sad that bodybuilders today can't pose and present their physiques in the best possible way, you have all these huge guys that can't pose for shit yet win the free posing round it's fucking ridicules. I am sorry to say but I don't think I would ever want to be in the I.F.B.B. but would rather compete in a more respectable division. I believe a true bodybuilder spends more time on presentation then on training alone, there is just so many quality physiques like Rockell, Haider, Horvath etc... Hey Serge I wonder if they would ever let you be a judge, they really need new judges if they want to keep credibility amongst the legends and true bodybuilding fans.

Try copying and pasting the link to your browser address bar. I hope everyone notices that Serge just GAVE this information out FREE. I'd say that's quite generous folks. Not what we're used to these days. It speaks to the character of the man. He owes us nothing yet he gives anyway. I'd say that's awfully generous.

I can tell you that Serge trained at my Gym (Gold's Gym Redondo Beach, CA) for a period of time in the early 90's. I never trained with him but observed many workouts and what he has written about his training is accurate.

For those that have asked he gave his diet on the thread on Ironage.us. It was generous portions of red meat which he used to boil to draw out the fat, 8 oz. of rice and 8 ounces of beans a day (Correct me if I am wrong Serge).

Serge you have my respect because of the type of man you are and yes one of the most aweinspiring physigues of all time.

I had dinner with Peter Grymkowski this past week. He like you, enjoys every minute of life and asked me to say Hello to you and offer his best wishes.

I have been trying to get Peter contacts, pleas if you see him again give him my cellular phone or send me his contact by PM Please

fortunately it seems like serge is a great guy, he answers everything with actual paragraphs and has even showed signs of owning potential.

SERGE, one thing i always wondered about you was how you had such size and fullness while keeping your waist so tiny and absolutely chisled to the bone? and without cardio? your diet must have been 100% perfect.

No I don't realy diet, I mean the way you are thinking about diet. I eat anything that my body want to. But the true is that I train the way my mind wants to too. That means that my mind is controling my body, as I said before. I train 3/4/5 hours a day, so I can eat a lot, 3/4kg of red meat a day.

Now that is complete honesty and thank you Serge for the honesty. I met Bill Pearl in the early eighties in brooklyn New York with my DAD and asked about supplements. Bill Pearl said that it was all bullshit and that you can get the same nutrients etc from real food. Today's supplement scene is way beyond the eighties and it is full of crap. Kids save your $$$ and just train hard and eat right.

Now that is complete honesty and thank you Serge for the honesty. I met Bill Pearl in the early eighties in brooklyn New York with my DAD and asked about supplements. Bill Pearl said that it was all bullshit and that you can get the same nutrients etc from real food. Today's supplement scene is way beyond the eighties and it is full of crap. Kids save your $$$ and just train hard and eat right.

100% agreed with Bill Pearl. Those people make Millions $$$ with that, and most of the PROS don't even take them, but the young kids don't know that, because they let them think the opposit on the magazines.

No I don't realy diet, I mean the way you are thinking about diet. I eat anything that my body want to. But the true is that I train the way my mind wants to too. That means that my mind is controling my body, as I said before. I train 3/4/5 hours a day, so I can eat a lot, 3/4kg of red meat a day.

HELLO SERGE NUBRET I TRAIN MUCH LIKE YOU DO , I DO MANY SETS, BUT NOT AS MUCH VOLUME AS YOU, I AM A ALL NATURAL DRUG FREE AT 6FEET6 WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU ARE MY IDOL SERGE NUBRET!(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/dawggsty.jpg)

Title: Re: Serge Nubret is here
Post by: Army of One on December 05, 2006, 08:06:14 AM

Were there any pressures from the IFBB/Weider to stop it? Did Robert Kennedy from musclemag help at all?

I started WABBA after the Mr. Olympia In Southe Africa,"Pumping Iron" as I was suspended from IFBB. I realy don't care to musch about federation now. Any one realy does not care about BBuilders problems. So I have my own "SERGE NUBRET CLUB" which organise it own shows.But Wabba is still fonctionning, in the wrong way, but still.

HELLO SERGE NUBRET I TRAIN MUCH LIKE YOU DO , I DO MANY SETS, BUT NOT AS MUCH VOLUME AS YOU, I AM A ALL NATURAL DRUG FREE AT 6FEET6 WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU ARE MY IDOL SERGE NUBRET!(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/dawggsty.jpg)

Serge what do you think of Melvin Anthony? Would Melvin be the guy to promote Bodybuilding for the mainstream

(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/bodybuilders/MelvinAnthony.jpg)

Yes of course, this is a nice physic, who never be Mr. Olympia, because he has a too god physic, the judging should be change. At the last olympia the 3rd place and the 4th place should be 1st and 2rd.

MR. NUBRET, JUST WANTING TO WELCOME YOU TO GETBIG.COM THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT TO TALK TO ME WHEN I WAS HELPING OUT IN VENICE AT MAX MUSCLE BACK IN 94 WHEN YOU CAME TO TOWN ON A VISIT. YOUR PERSONA AS A BODYBUILDER AND A GENTLEMAN OF THE SPORT IS UNSURPASSED!! PLEASE KEEP GIVING US YOUR WORLDY ADVICE ON TRAINING AND HEALTH! THAN YOU ONCE AGAIN FROM A GREATFUL FAN.

MR. NUBRET, JUST WANTING TO WELCOME YOU TO GETBIG.COM THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT TO TALK TO ME WHEN I WAS HELPING OUT IN VENICE AT MAX MUSCLE BACK IN 94 WHEN YOU CAME TO TOWN ON A VISIT. YOUR PERSONA AS A BODYBUILDER AND A GENTLEMAN OF THE SPORT IS UNSURPASSED!! PLEASE KEEP GIVING US YOUR WORLDY ADVICE ON TRAINING AND HEALTH! THAN YOU ONCE AGAIN FROM A GREATFUL FAN.

When it is about body building I cannot stop talking. That is my life.

This is the best thing to happen here on GetBig since I 1st joined my years ago. BUT I am much less interested in your training methods and old stories than I am in WHERE is that SUPER HOT wife of your's Jacqulyn?? Please tell us more about her!!! hehehehehehe

This is the best thing to happen here on GetBig since I 1st joined my years ago. BUT I am much less interested in your training methods and old stories than I am in WHERE is that SUPER HOT wife of your's Jacqulyn?? Please tell us more about her!!! hehehehehehe

Jacqueline just phoned me one hour ago. She is a lawyer now in Martinique.

Serge do you believe it is good to train a muscle while it is still sore? how much of a factor is heredity/genetics?

For me train a muscle when it is sore is the best training, because you realy feel this muscle, I love it. Yes herdity/genetic is important but you have more important than that, it is the 3 powers. That means YOUR MENTAL POWER - YOUR LOVE FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING - AND YOUR PHYSIC, which is the less important one, because it depends of the 2 first POWERS chich come from your inside.You can have the best physic ever, if you stay home, you will never progress, but if in the begining your physic was not exeptional, but you have the love and the mind with you to go the gym every day for hours, than the result will be there too.

Serge, I was just wondering what you did not particularly enjoy about the competition side of bodybuilding? I believe you said that you only did a total of 13 competitions in all your years of training.

Serge, I was just wondering what you did not particularly enjoy about the competition side of bodybuilding? I believe you said that you only did a total of 13 competitions in all your years of training.

I hated compete, becaus some judges they don't even know what they are judging, or they been choose because of politic raison, or they try to vote for people who look like themself, for so many raisons more.

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Take this address to the profile section of getbig and in the signature section type in [img]nono.com/uu4i5[/img] (or whatever the address nono.com gives you is, but dont include the "http://www" part because it wont fit) and then you will have a picture of any size you want in your signature :)

Feel free to PM me if you are too stupid to follow these instructions, Ill be glad to help :D

Its easy, find the address of a picture you like (ie http://www.yahoo.com/picture.jpg) ... you could use a free image hosting site like http://www.photobucket.com. You take this address and you go to http://www.nono.com and it will give you a link to this address thats significantly smaller (ie http://www.tinyurl.com/uu4i5)

Take this address to the profile section of getbig and in the signature section type in [img]nono.com/uu4i5[/img] (or whatever the address nono.com gives you is, but dont include the "http://www" part because it wont fit) and then you will have a picture of any size you want in your signature :)

Feel free to PM me if you are too stupid to follow these instructions, Ill be glad to help :D

Gibber I have to say that if you are truly sore like you say after every workout there is something wrong. There comes a time when your body gets over that. If you continually are sore there is something wrong. It's not because you train hard every workout. YOu can be sore after your workout or maybe the next day for awhile, but anything past that is something wrong.

Serge, once again thanks so much for taking the time to post here. I have heard before that you never drank alcohol. How much of a negative effect do you think drinking (lets say once a week) has on one's progress?

I hated compete, becaus some judges they don't even know what they are judging, or they been choose because of politic raison, or they try to vote for people who look like themself, for so many raisons more.

Serge

serge you were great but you simply didn't have the back or leg/calf size to beat arnold plain and simple dude...

I hope everyone is enjoying having Serge Nubret contribute his vast knowledgeand experience.

What's expecially nice about it is how forthright he is with it; right to thejugular; honest and ripped to the bone; no pretense; no beating around-the-bush; no b.s. And he's free and giving with it.

And at his age, what 67 or so, he's still awesome.

Once, back in 1980 while waiting to interview others at Joe Gold's World Gymin Santa Monica (I interviewed Serge much later...), I observed Serge from thesidelines as he took a workout. He had on that shredded t-shirt and was inthe condition of his life, although most of his life that's all he ever was, it seems.

Afterward--actually during, too--Serge posed. To watch him from, say, 25feet is quite the spectacle. Truly, his physique and shape bounced off themirror like a living, breathing anatomy chart. And let me tell you, that manworks hard! He is focused like few people I have ever witnessed. His eyesjust about get glazed over. Talk about concentration!

I agree. I think Serge has a physique most could only wish to attain. But, when it came down to a bodybuilding competition what you said is accurate. Serge did not have the back, legs or calves to compete with Arnie.

I am a Huge fan of you Serge. You looked incredable. But, I am just stating the truth.

We always have to remember that bodybuilding is subjective. From a bodybuilding competitive viewpoint Arnold does come out on top. When you view bodybuiding as an art, aesthetics...

Robbie was great but I never put him in that category. To me he was more middle of the road in terms of body type... not all the way hurculean, not all the way aesthetic. Sort of a cross between the two.

There are other "honorable mentions" in terms of aethetics but Serge and yes Robby also had longevity.

It is truly nice to hear a different perspective from the past, not kissing Arnold's or Wieder's ass, standing on his own with his own principles. He kinda reminds of Lee in a way because he refuses to lay down for anybody and sees the corruption in the sport. Not to mention Serge is all class. Pleasure to have you on here Serge, hope I can learn from you!

Serge, once again thanks so much for taking the time to post here. I have heard before that you never drank alcohol. How much of a negative effect do you think drinking (lets say once a week) has on one's progress?

I hope everyone is enjoying having Serge Nubret contribute his vast knowledgeand experience.

What's expecially nice about it is how forthright he is with it; right to thejugular; honest and ripped to the bone; no pretense; no beating around-the-bush; no b.s. And he's free and giving with it.

And at his age, what 67 or so, he's still awesome.

Once, back in 1980 while waiting to interview others at Joe Gold's World Gymin Santa Monica (I interviewed Serge much later...), I observed Serge from thesidelines as he took a workout. He had on that shredded t-shirt and was inthe condition of his life, although most of his life that's all he ever was, it seems.

Afterward--actually during, too--Serge posed. To watch him from, say, 25feet is quite the spectacle. Truly, his physique and shape bounced off themirror like a living, breathing anatomy chart. And let me tell you, that manworks hard! He is focused like few people I have ever witnessed. His eyesjust about get glazed over. Talk about concentration!

A true weight warrior and champion.

Thank you very much for this. You are right, when I am training I am 100% on my training, you can put the music on as loud that you want I cannot hear it.

It is truly nice to hear a different perspective from the past, not kissing Arnold's or Wieder's ass, standing on his own with his own principles. He kinda reminds of Lee in a way because he refuses to lay down for anybody and sees the corruption in the sport. Not to mention Serge is all class. Pleasure to have you on here Serge, hope I can learn from you!

That true, I never kissed nobody ass, last time I spoke to Weider, he told me that I will be be next Mr. Olympia, If.....But I answered him a Mr. Olympia has to deserve his title, and I turned my back to him. You realy don't need to have back, legs or calf to win, but just to be the best ass kisser.

That true, I never kissed nobody ass, last time I spoke to Weider, he told me that I will be be next Mr. Olympia, If.....But I answered him a Mr. Olympia has to deserve his title, and I turned my back to him. You realy don't need to have back, legs or calf to win, but just to be the best ass kisser.

Serge, I remember reading about your training and diet in the original Pumping Iron book. Could you give some specifics about your eating schedule, perhaps an example of a typical day when were in contest training mode.

Serge, I remember reading about your training and diet in the original Pumping Iron book. Could you give some specifics about your eating schedule, perhaps an example of a typical day when were in contest training mode.

Thanks

Serge's diet worked for him but it might not work for you because after all he would train 5 hours a day with very very little rest.

Serge, I remember reading about your training and diet in the original Pumping Iron book. Could you give some specifics about your eating schedule, perhaps an example of a typical day when were in contest training mode.

Thanks

It so easy for me to give a specific eating schedule. As I said already, I am not a machine but an humain, so I eat when my body ask me to. And my body even tell me what he wants, just because my 3 powers "EMOTIONAL-MENTAL-PHYSICAL" was in perfect communion.

Serge's diet worked for him but it might not work for you because after all he would train 5 hours a day with very very little rest.

Exactly, it is why that it is difficult for me to give advives about my eating if someone don't follow my training, and if his 3 POWERS are not connected. You can do what I am doing but do not love it like I did you will not successed, or love it but your mind is not on it, you will not successed. Everything has to be there in the same time. If they are there your physic which is nothing compaired to the two first has no choice, it will follow.

It so easy for me to give a specific eating schedule. As I said already, I am not a machine but an humain, so I eat when my body ask me to. And my body even tell me what he wants, just because my 3 powers "EMOTIONAL-MENTAL-PHYSICAL" was in perfect communion.

Serge

Thanks Serge. My question was mostly because I was curious. I don't have the time or ability to train 5 hours a day and/or follow your diet. I recall reading on Iron Age that you ate 3-4 kg's of horse meat per day and also ate rice and beans. I believe you said you had a housekeeper who cooked this for you and I also think you mentioned the meat was boiled. Again, this is just curiosity but I'm just wondering what a snapshot of a random day would look like. How does one consume 6.5 to ~ 9lbs of boiled horsemeat and rice and beans in any 24 hour period (whether one meal or many). Did this actually taste good or did you just force it down. Sorry to belabour the point but I just find that amazing. It hurts my stomach just to think about it. I apologize in advance for belaboring this point but I'm hoping you will fill in a few details.

Thanks Serge. My question was mostly because I was curious. I don't have the time or ability to train 5 hours a day and/or follow your diet. I recall reading on Iron Age that you ate 3-4 kg's of horse meat per day and also ate rice and beans. I believe you said you had a housekeeper who cooked this for you and I also think you mentioned the meat was boiled. Again, this is just curiosity but I'm just wondering what a snapshot of a random day would look like. How does one consume 6.5 to ~ 9lbs of boiled horsemeat and rice and beans in any 24 hour period (whether one meal or many). Did this actually taste good or did you just force it down. Sorry to belabour the point but I just find that amazing. It hurts my stomach just to think about it. I apologize in advance for belaboring this point but I'm hoping you will fill in a few details.

Thanks

You should read my other posts. I said already that I eat when my body ask me to.

You should read my other posts. I said already that I eat when my body ask me to.

Serge

Serge, I have ready your other posts. That's where I got 3-4 kgs, boiled, with rice and beans and made by your housekeeper. I was hoping for some more details but that's ok. It was just curiosity anyway.

What do you think of calorie and Macronutrient Counting?Whatabout the training programs they use these days! like training each muscle groupe once per week most bodybuilders of this time are doing this kind regime execept for the great Ronnie Coleman he trains each musclegroupe twice a week just like you.

Could it be that the training programs is the problem that most bodybuilders of these days aren't looking great anymore? or do you think that something else is the problem? maybe the overkill in steroids?.

What do you think of calorie and Macronutrient Counting?Whatabout the training programs they use these days! like training each muscle groupe once per week most bodybuilders of this time are doing this kind regime execept for the great Ronnie Coleman he trains each musclegroupe twice a week just like you.

Could it be that the training programs is the problem that most bodybuilders of these days aren't looking great anymore? or do you think that something else is the problem? maybe the overkill in steroids?.

greetings Robocop

You jut put your finger on it. We must compere a body builder of before at the chicken that your mother used to eat, this chicken was growing free eat what they find in the ground, of course the have to find their food, so it take time for them to grow. Now days body builder they find their food already chewed in can, they must move to much to product their own TESTOS because the artificial one is there too. So 45 mn of training is enough to be ready for a competition. But thos body builders do not love this sport they just do it for money, that is the reality.

i still have a question for you! have you ever used those workout programs where you have to workout each muscle groupe 1 time each week? what were your results with these kind of training programs, by the way ever used the Mike Mentzer Methode?

Do you also advocate Ketogenic Diets? (eating only protein and fats?, staying under the 30 grams of carbs daily)

i still have a question for you! have you ever used those workout programs where you have to workout each muscle groupe 1 time each week? what were your results with these kind of training programs, by the way ever used the Mike Mentzer Methode?

Do you also advocate Ketogenic Diets? (eating only protein and fats?, staying under the 30 grams of carbs daily)

greetingsRobocop

No, I have never try this method of training a muscle group once a week. Don't even tell me about such a training program of Mike mentzer, it is why I am still there.

but Serge what about Ketogenic diet! have you ever used them? Do you also advocate Ketogenic Diets? (eating only protein and fats?, staying under the 30 grams of carbs daily)

How many Calories and Protein, carbs and fat in % are you eating daily?

No I never used this diet, because I was never fat so I needed some carb to train hard. But when I had my gym and trained some freinds for competition, and they were fat I used this diet on them, and it works, beleive me.

The Weiders were surrounded by various high profile homosexuals and would introduce them to up and coming bodybuilders who the homosexuals would then sponsor. This carried on up until at least the 1990's. One of them was a doctor who used to boast that he had put implants into Arnold's calves, pecs and biceps in the 70's and would tell the young bodybuilders that in return for gay activities they too could have implants like Arnolds. Of course the only place they received any implants was in their buttock region. This story was raised recently on another board by former Mr Universe Joe Meeko who said the implants for sex thing had happened to him and Mike Quinn (not clear if either took him up on the offer) but the message was deleted.

As far as the Weiders being homosexual is concerned, all I can say is we used to refer to them as Joe Weirdo and Ben Doon but then I was a NABBA man for 30 years and there were no puffs in the NABBA.

I know a lot of things too, but that is thier problems. The only thing I did not like is when Weider told everybody that I did a porno film, when it was not, as everybody knows I did 25 movies, in one of them I acted to make love to a very good looking girl, no penetration, just acting, and I was surprise that Weider was so made, so it is only after that I new about all those homosexual activity. But in my autobiographic book I will tell an history about Weider in France going out with a transvesty, I did not want to tell that before, because I loved too much bodybuilding, but after what weider did to me and still doing I don't even care anymore.

I know a lot of things too, but that is thier problems. The only thing I did not like is when Weider told everybody that I did a porno film, when it was not, as everybody knows I did 25 movies, in one of them I acted to make love to a very good looking girl, no penetration, just acting, and I was surprise that Weider was so made, so it is only after that I new about all those homosexual activity. But in my autobiographic book I will tell an history about Weider in France going out with a transvesty, I did not want to tell that before, because I loved too much bodybuilding, but after what weider did to me and still doing I don't even care anymore.

Serge

interesting, arnold did a few sex scenes in conan the barbarian but i guess ben kept his mouth shut about those ones. ;D

I remember the stories about Weider and his fondness for transvestites. Some well known bodybuilders (including one who had a speaking line in Pumping Iron) would wear the clothes and makeup of ladies to please the brothers and their friends.

Serge, Pete G called me the other day. I asked him if he talked to you and he said yes. He has a great time. He is very impressed on what you are doing. He couldn't stop talking about it. Glad you two got together.

serge in your prime did total strangers comment on your physique? like at the grocery store or somewhere like that?

were they postitive or negative comments?

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Every thing here is bullshit, here is the real story of my life that I posted after I saw that on Wikipedia, but it is in french, someone maybe can translate it in english. MAYBE MONTANA, I know that she speak english.

Serge, Pete G called me the other day. I asked him if he talked to you and he said yes. He has a great time. He is very impressed on what you are doing. He couldn't stop talking about it. Glad you two got together.

Yes we had a very long and interestind conversation on the phone, He gave me his e-mail address but maybe I wrote it wrong, so if you get him on the phone again ask him to send it to me on my e-mail, I hope that you still have it. Thank you in advance.

I remember the stories about Weider and his fondness for transvestites. Some well known bodybuilders (including one who had a speaking line in Pumping Iron) would wear the clothes and makeup of ladies to please the brothers and their friends.

I will not reveal his name but he is short and white and judging by his name could be related to a spaghetti manufacturer. He is in the start of the film then again half way through where he states something to Arnold. He is not a competitor in the Universe or Olympia that year. The more I think about it the more I believe I should maybe write a book too. I could expose the world of bestiality, wife sharing, filmed group homosexual activities (especially at the post Mr Universe and Mr America parties) and other deviancies which went on within the organisation of the IFBB. You would not believe how many "macho heroes" would do such nancy activities. No wonder so many ex bodybuilders are now preachers, ministers or born again christians, they certainly have plenty to be ashamed about.

cool you should, id be interested in reading of all the perverted shit they where doing.

I will not reveal his name but he is short and white and judging by his name could be related to a spaghetti manufacturer. He is in the start of the film then again half way through where he states something to Arnold. He is not a competitor in the Universe or Olympia that year. The more I think about it the more I believe I should maybe write a book too. I could expose the world of bestiality, wife sharing, filmed group homosexual activities (especially at the post Mr Universe and Mr America parties) and other deviancies which went on within the organisation of the IFBB. You would not believe how many "macho heroes" would do such nancy activities. No wonder so many ex bodybuilders are now preachers, ministers or born again christians, they certainly have plenty to be ashamed about.

They used to make Franco dress up as a schoolboy and then bugger him senseless. And you are right about Eddie G. Young Dannie Paddila refused to dress in school uniform for anal activities and this is why he did not compete in Pumping Iron. Serge will agree I am sure.

did you see them sodomize franco with your own eyes? how many sodomized him at the same time?

They used to make Franco dress up as a schoolboy and then bugger him senseless. And you are right about Eddie G. Young Dannie Paddila refused to dress in school uniform for anal activities and this is why he did not compete in Pumping Iron. Serge will agree I am sure.

They used to make Franco dress up as a schoolboy and then bugger him senseless. And you are right about Eddie G. Young Dannie Paddila refused to dress in school uniform for anal activities and this is why he did not compete in Pumping Iron. Serge will agree I am sure.

I did not about that, are you sure ?...my godness this bber world is even wrost that I thought. Are you talking about the party that they shown in the movie, I am so glad that I have not been invited.

I am 72 years old and have competed in bodybuilding 88 times including several Mr Britain, Mr Europe and Mr Universe medium class amateur contests. My last competition was the ANB World Championships over 50 where I finished 3rd at the age of 66.I used to be a member of the NABBA committee and helped organise UK regional competitions including those in Wales, Scotland and North England and also used to be the treasurer of IFSA ( I am a chartered accountant) working under Dougie Edmunds on several World's Strongest Man competitions. I have also competed in Highland Games and Powerlifting and held the light heavy total European record from 1970 till 1972.I never competed in IFBB but one of my best friends was Paul Grant who revealed plenty of detail about the 75 Olympia including the attempted buggery of little Danny. Watch the footage, Danny is talking to Arnold about the show in South Africa but only in the audience. Why is that ? Because he wouldn't wear the schoolboy uniform at the party the night before!!! Paul Grant told me something similar to the quote by Serge. He said that Joe and Ben had wanted a gay threesome with him but he had answered that if they didn't go away there would be the 3 hits.........1 Paul hitting them2 Them hitting the floor3 The ambulance hitting 100mph taking them to the emergency room

Here is a pic of me in the national UK newspaper called the daily Mail on my 70th birthday. I know more about what went on in the 60's and 70's than you kids would care to know buy I will start my own thread and answer honestly if you want.

Bonjour Serge.I have always admired your physique since I was a young child.Very few bb'ers have nicknames that suit their physique but yours of Black Panther I always felt fit you to a "t".Awesome physique that is very pleasing to the eyes in regards to proportion, mass, symmetry etc.My question to you is what got you involved in bodybuilding & wanting to make your body better then what nature gave you.Arnold's idol was Reg Park.Did you have an idol that you wanted to emulate in bb'ing or did you just learn about training w/weights through another means?Thanks.

I am 72 years old and have competed in bodybuilding 88 times including several Mr Britain, Mr Europe and Mr Universe medium class amateur contests. My last competition was the ANB World Championships over 50 where I finished 3rd at the age of 66.I used to be a member of the NABBA committee and helped organise UK regional competitions including those in Wales, Scotland and North England and also used to be the treasurer of IFSA ( I am a chartered accountant) working under Dougie Edmunds on several World's Strongest Man competitions. I have also competed in Highland Games and Powerlifting and held the light heavy total European record from 1970 till 1972.I never competed in IFBB but one of my best friends was Paul Grant who revealed plenty of detail about the 75 Olympia including the attempted buggery of little Danny. Watch the footage, Danny is talking to Arnold about the show in South Africa but only in the audience. Why is that ? Because he wouldn't wear the schoolboy uniform at the party the night before!!! Paul Grant told me something similar to the quote by Serge. He said that Joe and Ben had wanted a gay threesome with him but he had answered that if they didn't go away there would be the 3 hits.........1 Paul hitting them2 Them hitting the floor3 The ambulance hitting 100mph taking them to the emergency room

Here is a pic of me in the national UK newspaper called the daily Mail on my 70th birthday. I know more about what went on in the 60's and 70's than you kids would care to know but I will start my own thread and answer honestly if you want.

Bonjour Serge.I have always admired your physique since I was a young child.Very few bb'ers have nicknames that suit their physique but yours of Black Panther I always felt fit you to a "t".Awesome physique that is very pleasing to the eyes in regards to proportion, mass, symmetry etc.My question to you is what got you involved in bodybuilding & wanting to make your body better then what nature gave you.Arnold's idol was Reg Park.Did you have an idol that you wanted to emulate in bb'ing or did you just learn about training w/weights through another means?Thanks.

When I was a kid, I wanted to be a architect, but my farther did not want, I want me to be an accountant, so I became one, but I followed my dream to be an architect, by being my own one on my body.

Serge, I just finished day 2 of the workout that you have listed. The first day I did legs and chest, but I did chest first cause there would have been no way I would have been able to do chest after legs. I kept the rest period at 1 min. Today my chest, front delts and triceps are VERY sore. My quads did not feel too sore today but I realized how sore they were when I did lying leg curls. It actually hurt to lay on them. :'( ;D

I did back and hamstrings today. I kept the rest peroid at 30 sec on back. I did 26 sets for back total. I would be too embarassed to list the weights that I had used. Anyone who decides to give this a try better check their ego at the door. Tomorrow is shoulders and arms then it starts all over again on Thru. I know my triceps will till be sore tomorrow, but I am sure that this will not always be the case as I adapt to the workload. I have no idea how long I will last on this. ;D

Serge, I just finished day 2 of the workout that you have listed. The first day I did legs and chest, but I did chest first cause there would have been no way I would have been able to do chest after legs. I kept the rest period at 1 min. Today my chest, front delts and triceps are VERY sore. My quads did not feel too sore today but I realized how sore they were when I did lying leg curls. It actually hurt to lay on them. :'( ;D

I did back and hamstrings today. I kept the rest peroid at 30 sec on back. I did 26 sets for back total. I would be too embarassed to list the weights that I I would be too embarassed to list the weights that had used. Anyone who decides to give this a try better check their ego at the door. Tomorrow is shoulders and arms then it starts all over again on Thru. I know my triceps will till be sore tomorrow, but I am sure that this will not always be the case as I adapt to the workload. I have no idea how long I will last on this. ;D

Well done Discgusting, I know already that you will stick on it. You are right when you said :"I would be too embarassed to list the weights that I I would be too embarassed to list the weights that had used. Anyone who decides to give this a try better check their ego at the door."

This method is reserved only for people who does not have a big EGO, that true, that don't means that I am not strong, because I could do on bench press 225 kg with a body weight of 93 kg, but I used to train with only 70/90 kg.

Serge, I just finished day 2 of the workout that you have listed. The first day I did legs and chest, but I did chest first cause there would have been no way I would have been able to do chest after legs. I kept the rest period at 1 min. Today my chest, front delts and triceps are VERY sore. My quads did not feel too sore today but I realized how sore they were when I did lying leg curls. It actually hurt to lay on them. :'( ;D

I did back and hamstrings today. I kept the rest peroid at 30 sec on back. I did 26 sets for back total. I would be too embarassed to list the weights that I had used. Anyone who decides to give this a try better check their ego at the door. Tomorrow is shoulders and arms then it starts all over again on Thru. I know my triceps will till be sore tomorrow, but I am sure that this will not always be the case as I adapt to the workload. I have no idea how long I will last on this. ;D

on Wikipedia, but it is in french, someone maybe can translate it in english. MAYBE MONTANA, I know that she speak english.

Of course, I would love to assist. Serge is my hero--the greatest bodybuilder in the world. Here is an english translation of the french wikipedia:

Serge Nubret (Born October 6, 1938 in Anse-Bertrand, north of Grande-Terre, Guadeloupe) is a bodybuilding federation leader, movie actor and more recently book author awarded many bodybuilding titles including Mr. Europe (1966), Mr. Universe (1976) and Mr. World (1977). Serge equally challenged opponent Arnold Schwarzenegger for the title of Mr. Olympia 1975 after having placing third in 1973. His nickname is the black panther.

Youth

Serge Nubret spent his first years in Anse-Bertrand in a community of 7,000 people. He spent nearly 12 years of his life enjoying fresh air playing outdoors before moving with his parents to the region of Paris, France in 1950. He lived thereafter in the community of Joinville-le-Pont, completing his secondary studies before choosing a business program. During his adolesence and young adulthood, he quickly became aware of his exceptional potential for athletics and recalls this reflection in his book I Am…Me and God; in his own words, his dedicating himself to bodybuilding was to become his "reason of being." He explains in his book his destiny of a fixed champion assigned to him by God ["I Am"]. He returned in Guadeloupe in 1958 in order to escape the draft for the algerian war. It was during this period of his life he discovered bodybuilding, which he practiced simultaneously while pursuing business accounting. Bodybuilding was not encouraged by his father at the time who was concerned that it did not have as much potential for financial income as an accounting career.

Bodybuilding Champion and Film Star

Three months after entering the world of bodybuilding, Serge won the title of Mr. Guadeloupe, which he won again the following year as well. He was sent in 1960 to Montreal to show the flag of Guadeloupe in support for his country at the time of the World Championship organized by the IFBB. It was there Nubret was named Most Muscular Man of the World. Returning next to Paris without going to Guadeloupe, he was contacted by the Films Ariane for a role in a Duccio Tessari Italian péplum film called "The Titans" which was released in 1961 and was prelude to a rich career of 25 films:

In the 1980s, Serge appeared regularly in 60 episodes of the television series Breakfast Included, with Pierre Mondy and Marie-Christine Barrault, in which he played the role of bodybuilder/gym owner in Paris, a role that mirrors his own biography.

At last, he appeared in the documentary film Pumping Iron, alongside Lou Ferrigno and Arnold Schwarzenegger, a documentary that follows the events occuring before the Mr. Olympia 1975--the preparation for the competition as well as it's final phase. For contract reasons, his part is comparatively brief; certain scenes concerning him could not be put in the movie. But these episodes are discussed further in his book, I am…Me and God.

Athlete and Leader

During the 1970s, Nubret finished third to the Mr. Olympia in 1973 and second in 1975. Vice President of the IFBB Europe of 1970-1975, Nubret then founded the WABBA in 1976. He competed up to 1984, when he won his last title of champion of the world to the WABBA. He caused quite a stir in Gravelines in 2003, when he guest posed at the WABBA WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP; he was 65 years old.

In 2006, 68 year old Serge Nubret wrote his book, I am…Me and God in collaboration with Louis-Xavier Babin-Lachaud. The book is not only autobiographical in nature, but it also includes his personal reflections on his christian faith and mysticism of the author. Through his life narrative, it adopts a definite position on the role of God in this world, on the conflict between destiny and free will and on the illusion of this world. More than an assembly of memories, the book indicates the will to succeed and to follow the way traced by God, love of the "reason to be" author, that is not other than the bodybuilding. A second work, completely autobiographical, is to come.

Serge come over the History Board. Nobody can say anything bad there. Also, if this is the real Serge I am pretty sure any ragging from anyone on here will get them a ban for awhile from Ron. Serge is way above any kind of "owning" anyone can give him on here. But, with some of the dummies on here it is sure to come. Serge is to bodybuilding as Vince G. is to looking like shit. We need him here

here's another version from Wikipedia - I don't know how reliable it is but I notice that it's different from the first version that was posted

This was on the American version of Wikipedia and then it changed but you can still see it if you do a Google search and then looked at the cached pages. I have no clue of the accuracy of the some of the more provacative statements. Serge can you clarify this?

This is a link to what appears to be the identical text as the cached wiki pages: http://www.answers.com/topic/serge-nubret

[edit] BackgroundBorn to a working class family in Guadaloupe, Nubret moved to Paris in the 1950s. He discovered his love of iron in the northern Parisian district of Sarcelles where he worked part-time for the local greengrocer while funding his studies as an aspiring actor and sometime model. His father Franck, a nightclub doorman, instilled in his son a burning desire to succeed and be the best where he himself had failed. An unfortunate cycling accident had cut short his father's bodybuilding career years earlier.

Nubret's frustration at his inability to break onto the international bodybuilding scene led to increasingly erratic behaviour. Like so many ethnic youths living in the Sarcelles housing projects, this "behaviour" soon landed Nubret in a French prison. Serge says to this day that he is terribly ashamed of this dark period of his life.

Later he developed into one of the top professional bodybuilders of his day. He competed many times in the Mr. Olympia and placed as high as second. Serge Nubret was widely praised for having tremendous chest, and abdominal development. Today he is looked at as one of the iconic bodybuilders from the golden era of bodybuilding.

Nowadays, he makes his living delivering speeches to French school and college students on the potential dangers of delinquency. Indeed, as recently as October 2005, Nubret appeared on national television alongside Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy in an attempt to quell the rising uprest that flared throughout French towns and cities.

Although Nubret never shone in the iron pumping circuit as brightly as some of the later Adonises of the sport such as Lou Ferrigno and Arnold Schwarzenegger, he remains to this day an icon and inspiration to many younger budding French bodybuilders. He will remain one of the early trailblazers in this oft-maligned sport, championing the cause for those in lower socio-economic backgrounds. He has also featured in many bodybuilding and fitness articles, as well as appearing on the cover of MUSCLE magazine.

Serge can also be found helping users at BodyBuilding.com's IFBB Pro message boards, where he holds IFBB status.

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Aloha, Serge, Many years back I had the opportunity to have a long talk with you while sitting on the seawall at Venice Beach. I forget the topics of our conversation but I have always appreciated and remarked about your candid and honest approach to all my questions about the bodybuilding and IFBB situation back then.

I have always felt that Arnold owns a lot of credit to Joe Gold and would not be where is is today if it wasn't for that early association.

But I also feel that many other other bodybuilding athletes (including yourself) were treated a bit unfairly due to that associaton. (Can you offer your comments on this subject?)

I also recall meeting Paco (last name forgotten) and I believe you introduced him to us at the old Golds in Santa Monica on 2nd street. I also had a decent conversation with him in the gym.

OK, good seeing you on here and I wish you much success in all your endeavors.

Aloha, Serge, Many years back I had the opportunity to have a long talk with you while sitting on the seawall at Venice Beach. I forget the topics of our conversation but I have always appreciated and remarked about your candid and honest approach to all my questions about the bodybuilding and IFBB situation back then.

I have always felt that Arnold owns a lot of credit to Joe Gold and would not be where is is today if it wasn't for that early association.

But I also feel that many other other bodybuilding athletes (including yourself) were treated a bit unfairly due to that associaton. (Can you offer your comments on this subject?)

I also recall meeting Paco (last name forgotten) and I believe you introduced him to us at the old Golds in Santa Monica on 2nd street. I also had a decent conversation with him in the gym.

OK, good seeing you on here and I wish you much success in all your endeavors.

I won't say unfairly, but not as well as if I will sign a contract withe Weider. Yes Paco pasted away 3 years ago.

I will not reveal his name but he is short and white and judging by his name could be related to a spaghetti manufacturer. He is in the start of the film then again half way through where he states something to Arnold. He is not a competitor in the Universe or Olympia that year. The more I think about it the more I believe I should maybe write a book too. I could expose the world of bestiality, wife sharing, filmed group homosexual activities (especially at the post Mr Universe and Mr America parties) and other deviancies which went on within the organisation of the IFBB. You would not believe how many "macho heroes" would do such nancy activities. No wonder so many ex bodybuilders are now preachers, ministers or born again christians, they certainly have plenty to be ashamed about.

Hey, Disgusted, those are a lot of sets for sure. How do you utilize the weight increments from set to set to keep the reps at 12 all the time, and STILL keeping the intensity as high as possible? I mean, do you use the same weight for all the 8 sets, not including the warm up sets? If so, how can you keep falling at the 12th rep EVERY TIME and with the maximum intensity being kept, not missing one rep?

Hey, Disgusted, those are a lot of sets for sure. How do you utilize the weight increments from set to set to keep the reps at 12 all the time, and STILL keeping the intensity as high as possible? I mean, do you use the same weight for all the 8 sets, not including the warm up sets? If so, how can you keep falling at the 12th rep EVERY TIME and with the maximum intensity being kept, not missing one rep?

Some people are just dumbfounded when you (or anyone else including me) says that you just train with what feels right that day at that time. I always have people asking me questions about how much I lift, eat, sets, reps, routines and I always reply that I do what feels right at the time, nothing is planned out.

I'm sorry, Serge, but i 've read every page of this thread and didn't find SPECIFICALLY the part where you adress your poundages to meet the 8 sets/12 reps per exercise cryteria and keeping the intensity at its maximum at all times, reaching failure at every set , at the 12 th rep.

If it won't cause you too much haressment, please, would you speak about it for the eleventh time?

Some people are just dumbfounded when you (or anyone else including me) says that you just train with what feels right that day at that time. I always have people asking me questions about how much I lift, eat, sets, reps, routines and I always reply that I do what feels right at the time, nothing is planned out.

I'm sorry, Serge, but i 've read every page of this thread and didn't find SPECIFICALLY the part where you adress your poundages to meet the 8 sets/12 reps per exercise cryteria and keeping the intensity at its maximum at all times, reaching failure at every set , at the 12 th rep.

If it won't cause you too much haressment, please, would you speak about it for the eleventh time?

Thanks in advance.

I can put in my mind the weight i want, i can have any weight in the barre and have in my mind less or more weight that is realy, so in this way it is for me easier to go each time to failure.

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Hi Made in Montana,

Why did you post this contest here already, We will be ready realy by next month, but if you want some more informations, just let me know.

Hey, Disgusted, those are a lot of sets for sure. How do you utilize the weight increments from set to set to keep the reps at 12 all the time, and STILL keeping the intensity as high as possible? I mean, do you use the same weight for all the 8 sets, not including the warm up sets? If so, how can you keep falling at the 12th rep EVERY TIME and with the maximum intensity being kept, not missing one rep?

Care to explain a little more of that? Thanks in advance.

I did my second chest workout on Mon and my chest is still sore. In fact it is even more sore this time arould. The first time I just kinda kept the weight the same thru out all the sets. This time I went heavier the first couple of sets. I am not really sure that this mattered, but I can tell you that you get fatigued really quick. Like Serge said, weight does not really mean much. Don't let the weight use you, you need to control the weights!

I did my second chest workout on Mon and my chest is still sore. In fact it is even more sore this time arould. The first time I just kinda kept the weight the same thru out all the sets. This time I went heavier the first couple of sets. I am not really sure that this mattered, but I can tell you that you get fatigued really quick. Like Serge said, weight does not really mean much. Don't let the weight use you, you need to control the weights!

You are right when you said : "Don't let the weight use you, you need to control the weights"

Hey Serge, he means me and King Kamali. I am training King for his upcoming show. The answer is yes I already have. Even before Serge joined Getbig. Serge's training methods have been a big influence in my training since the early 80's. :)

Hey Serge, he means me and King Kamali. I am training King for his upcoming show. The answer is yes I already have. Even before Serge joined Getbig. Serge's training methods have been a big influence in my training since the early 80's. :)

Hey Serge, he means me and King Kamali. I am training King for his upcoming show. The answer is yes I already have. Even before Serge joined Getbig. Serge's training methods have been a big influence in my training since the early 80's. :)

i think nasser had shoulder operations..scar tissue in shoulders and maybe some oil also...also i think his body didnt respond so good anymore..+.maybe training wasnt intense enough so his body started to go downhill...

i think nasser had shoulder operations..scar tissue in shoulders and maybe some oil also...also i think his body didnt respond so good anymore..+.maybe training wasnt intense enough so his body started to go downhill...

Hey Serge, When you were competing, did you ever run or swim or do any kind of cardiovascular training of that nature. I know you often used abdominal training as a form of cardio, but I was just wondering if you did anything else. Thanks.

It seems that your announcement has escaped notice, Serge. That's a surprise, considering the 'Mr. Getbig' crowd in here should be very interested. Perhaps you ought to consider starting a new thread for that particular item. It sounds exciting.

Hey Serge, When you were competing, did you ever run or swim or do any kind of cardiovascular training of that nature. I know you often used abdominal training as a form of cardio, but I was just wondering if you did anything else. Thanks.

No, not at all, as you said my all training was a kind of cardio training.

It seems that your announcement has escaped notice, Serge. That's a surprise, considering the 'Mr. Getbig' crowd in here should be very interested. Perhaps you ought to consider starting a new thread for that particular item. It sounds exciting.

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Started with 7 sets of leg extensions. 12 reps less then one minute between sets. Immediatley went to legpress. Did 6 sets of 12 one minute rest with extreme stretching betweem sets. Finished with 5 sets of VERY light squats. Today I can barley stand my legs hurt so bad. They are sore to touch. The poundages that I used were so light they are not worth mentioning, but I will say that from many years of lifting I know how to make a weight feel heavy by how I contract the muscle. I can not rememer the last time my legs hurt this bad. I am loving it! ;D

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Started with 7 sets of leg extensions. 12 reps less then one minute between sets. Immediatley went to legpress. Did 6 sets of 12 one minute rest with extreme stretching betweem sets. Finished with 5 sets of VERY light squats. Today I can barley stand my legs hurt so bad. They are sore to touch. The poundages that I used were so light they are not worth mentioning, but I will say that from many years of lifting I know how to make a weight feel heavy by how I contract the muscle. I can not rememer the last time my legs hurt this bad. I am loving it! ;D

Don't try to convince me. I know that it works, I only hope that every body on this forum will listen to you.

Started with 7 sets of leg extensions. 12 reps less then one minute between sets. Immediatley went to legpress. Did 6 sets of 12 one minute rest with extreme stretching betweem sets. Finished with 5 sets of VERY light squats. Today I can barley stand my legs hurt so bad. They are sore to touch. The poundages that I used were so light they are not worth mentioning, but I will say that from many years of lifting I know how to make a weight feel heavy by how I contract the muscle. I can not rememer the last time my legs hurt this bad. I am loving it! ;D

I did something similar 6 sets of of light deadlifts for 12, leg presses with 5 sets 12-15 reps and then a final big drop set of over 70 reps (using 4 different weights), 5 sets of leg extension 12-15 reps and final 4 sets squat and front squat (2 sets each back to back). I could barely walk last night but still managed to get out a 50rep set of bodyweight squats when I got home before I started cramping.

Also I did light back, biceps, rear delts which I supersetted some with leg movements making my workout in total around 3 hours. I was sick for the last two weeks with stomach virus and only trained 1-2 days until yesterday in that time.

I did something similar 6 sets of of light deadlifts for 12, leg presses with 5 sets 12-15 reps and then a final big drop set of over 70 reps (using 4 different weights), 5 sets of leg extension 12-15 reps and final 4 sets squat and front squat (2 sets each back to back). I could barely walk last night but still managed to get out a 50rep set of bodyweight squats when I got home before I started cramping.

Also I did light back, biceps, rear delts which I supersetted some with leg movements making my workout in total around 3 hours. I was sick for the last two weeks with stomach virus and only trained 1-2 days until yesterday in that time.

Yes I love volume training and trying to make the pump as intense as possible. I know I am no beast yet 6'0 205+lbs but I train just as hard as anyone else and am only improving. Most of the weight I use especially for legs is at times laughable but I make it work for me. I have a buddy who lifts at my gym and when I have him do the exercises my way he suddenly must drop in the weight to do it correctly and isn't as strong as you would think, he was doing pullups for almost 20 reps then I showed him my way to focus more directly on the back and he could then only get at most 12.

;D ..but you didnt notice them when you was working out, your where in your own zone...in a deep state of concentration. Serge I believe part of your greatness stems from the fact that you achieved the "oneness", total focusation at what you where doing.

Yes I love volume training and trying to make the pump as intense as possible. I know I am no beast yet 6'0 205+lbs but I train just as hard as anyone else and am only improving. Most of the weight I use especially for legs is at times laughable but I make it work for me. I have a buddy who lifts at my gym and when I have him do the exercises my way he suddenly must drop in the weight to do it correctly and isn't as strong as you would think, he was doing pullups for almost 20 reps then I showed him my way to focus more directly on the back and he could then only get at most 12.

Yes I love volume training and trying to make the pump as intense as possible. I know I am no beast yet 6'0 205+lbs but I train just as hard as anyone else and am only improving. Most of the weight I use especially for legs is at times laughable but I make it work for me. I have a buddy who lifts at my gym and when I have him do the exercises my way he suddenly must drop in the weight to do it correctly and isn't as strong as you would think, he was doing pullups for almost 20 reps then I showed him my way to focus more directly on the back and he could then only get at most 12.

How is Portugal?...I went there a few years ago for a championship. Tell me more about body building overthere.

Serge

Portimão (Algarve), wasn't it? My trainer was there with you. He shares the opinion you're a legend and a true gentleman.

Bodybuilding here has had its up and downs but a new Committee has just been started by what seems to be the right bunch of people.We have a few good bodybuilders from which I personally mention 44 year-old Masters I competitor Carlos Rebolo (3rd at the 2005 European Championship and 6th at the World's. This year due to some bad luck in the conditioning he only managed to come in at 9th although he was 15Kg heavier than the previous year)

Portimão (Algarve), wasn't it? My trainer was there with you. He shares the opinion you're a legend and a true gentleman.

Bodybuilding here has had its up and downs but a new Committee has just been started by what seems to be the right bunch of people.We have a few good bodybuilders from which I personally mention 44 year-old Masters I competitor Carlos Rebolo (3rd at the 2005 European Championship and 6th at the World's. This year due to some bad luck in the conditioning he only managed to come in at 9th although he was 15Kg heavier than the previous year)

and Hugo Quinta (2003 National Champion, Tavira's International Open winner and Noite dos Campeões (our own Night of Champions) 2005 winner)

(http://www.ovar.com/strixx/share/temporary/bb/hugo-02.jpg)

Both of you look terrific, you should compete in the internet show I am putting together on internet call: SERGE NUBRET MUSCLE AWARDS here is the link for more information: http://www.planetemuscle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21468

Both of you look terrific, you should compete in the internet show I am putting together on internet call: SERGE NUBRET MUSCLE AWARDS here is the link for more information: http://www.planetemuscle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21468

Keep in touch.

Serge

I'll try to let them know Serge, and if I may, I thank you in their regard.

Hello Serge, perhaps you can help me. I'm getting insults because I said thet Joe and ben Weidwer were gay and liked Transvestites. I met you back in 69 and 71 so please back me up.Your FriendJim Thomson

Both of you look terrific, you should compete in the internet show I am putting together on internet call: SERGE NUBRET MUSCLE AWARDS here is the link for more information: http://www.planetemuscle.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21468

Keep in touch.

Serge

Serge, can you give us some information about this contest in English?

First you were way to fat, now your getting to skinny, make up your mind Nicole Richie, either be fat or do lots of coke and get small...

i still am pretty chunky actually; my ribcage is just hella big..so it looks like my underlying stomach is sunken in..when in fatc my waist is actually much smaller than where you see it get cut from the mirror.

serge what do you think about my physique ad genetics...?? im 17 years old and have been training for two years. i weigh 95 and have 10 % bf....5 feet eleven inches tall.

Ha... geezus, kid. You don't give up, do you? You're hunting down every pro you can to try and get "approval" from them about your physique. From Lee Priest to Serge Nubret. Is everyone pokin' fun at you in school and need a pro to boost your self-confidence? :D

This Joe Weider is realy something. Everything someone can do in the gym about weight lifting it is in someway a Weider principal, "bullshit". I wonder why this guy competed in the Mr. universe in London and has been placed only last. With all that he know, he sould be place higher, NO?... I cannot undestand how people still beleive in all those crabs.

This Joe Weider is realy something. Everything someone can do in the gym about weight lifting it is in someway a Weider principal, "bullshit". I wonder why this guy competed in the Mr. universe in London and has been placed only last. With all that he know, he sould be place higher, NO?... I cannot undestand how people still beleive in all those crabs.

This Joe Weider is realy something. Everything someone can do in the gym about weight lifting it is in someway a Weider principal, "bullshit". I wonder why this guy competed in the Mr. universe in London and has been placed only last. With all that he know, he sould be place higher, NO?... I cannot undestand how people still beleive in all those crabs.

Serge

yeah i think its funny how he says he is the trainer of the champions, but i doubt he has trained even one bodybuilder in his life...(weider bullshit principle no 1)

This Joe Weider is realy something. Everything someone can do in the gym about weight lifting it is in someway a Weider principal, "bullshit". I wonder why this guy competed in the Mr. universe in London and has been placed only last. With all that he know, he sould be place higher, NO?... I cannot undestand how people still beleive in all those crabs.

This Joe Weider is realy something. Everything someone can do in the gym about weight lifting it is in someway a Weider principal, "bullshit". I wonder why this guy competed in the Mr. universe in London and has been placed only last. With all that he know, he sould be place higher, NO?... I cannot undestand how people still beleive in all those crabs.

Could you not sue them for using your name and profiting off you without your permission?

Yes I could, but I saw this article years after they publish it. They never send it to me, before or after. You can see evry where they criticase my training, but still they said that is a WEIDER PRINCIPLE SYSTEM, I telling you as soon you walk in the gym even when you say HELLO this HELLO become a WEIDER PRINCIPLE, even when you go to the toilet to....it is too a WEIDER PRINCIPLE, I telling you those people are realy sick.

Wait to see my AUTOBIGRAPHY book, I am telling the true the real true about them

Yes I could, but I saw this article years after they publish it. They never send it to me, before or after. You can see evry where they criticase my training, but still they said that is a WEIDER PRINCIPLE SYSTEM, I telling you as soon you walk in the gym even when you say HELLO this HELLO become a WEIDER PRINCIPLE, even when you go to the toilet to....it is too a WEIDER PRINCIPLE, I telling you those people are realy sick.

Wait to see my AUTOBIGRAPHY book, I am telling the true the real true about them

Yes I could, but I saw this article years after they publish it. They never send it to me, before or after. You can see evry where they criticase my training, but still they said that is a WEIDER PRINCIPLE SYSTEM, I telling you as soon you walk in the gym even when you say HELLO this HELLO become a WEIDER PRINCIPLE, even when you go to the toilet to....it is too a WEIDER PRINCIPLE, I telling you those people are realy sick.

Wait to see my AUTOBIGRAPHY book, I am telling the true the real true about them

Serge, its very nice to see you here and incredible to be able to talk to you. I have always looked up to guys from the 70's much more then any other decade. You guys are all icons..

With all due respect though, one thing that bothers myself and many others is your downright refusal to discuss anything steroid related. We all know that you and other guys of your time worked VERY hard in the gym and that steroids were not as involved as they are today. BUT, what you need to understand is that no matter how unimportant you feel they are now, you still used them and they were still a part of your bodybuilding career.

I know the message you are trying to get across. You are trying to let people know that it is hard work, diet, and genetics that are most important. You are trying to get across that too many people are turning to steroids for the easy way out. I agree with you 100%. The problem though is this, by not talking about your steroid use in anyway, people are left to assume what you used. Those that are trying to model the look that you had will try and copy everything that you do. I am almost 100% positive that you used much less than most people assume. So why not be honest, why not tell people what you used. You would be helping to get across the message that hard work is key. People would look at your cycle and say, "wow, serge used alot less then I do, I guess I don't need all these drugs after all." Instead, by you refusing to talk about it, people are left to guess and they stay on what they are currently using which may be 1 gram of test a week or much more.

Serge, its very nice to see you here and incredible to be able to talk to you. I have always looked up to guys from the 70's much more then any other decade. You guys are all icons..

With all due respect though, one thing that bothers myself and many others is your downright refusal to discuss anything steroid related. We all know that you and other guys of your time worked VERY hard in the gym and that steroids were not as involved as they are today. BUT, what you need to understand is that no matter how unimportant you feel they are now, you still used them and they were still a part of your bodybuilding career.

I know the message you are trying to get across. You are trying to let people know that it is hard work, diet, and genetics that are most important. You are trying to get across that too many people are turning to steroids for the easy way out. I agree with you 100%. The problem though is this, by not talking about your steroid use in anyway, people are left to assume what you used. Those that are trying to model the look that you had will try and copy everything that you do. I am almost 100% positive that you used much less than most people assume. So why not be honest, why not tell people what you used. You would be helping to get across the message that hard work is key. People would look at your cycle and say, "wow, serge used alot less then I do, I guess I don't need all these drugs after all." Instead, by you refusing to talk about it, people are left to guess and they stay on what they are currently using which may be 1 gram of test a week or much more.

I never study medecine or chimistry, I leave that to those who did this kind of study. you said yourseft that I quote :"I am almost 100% positive that you used much less than most people assume." So you see you are a smart guy, so why you don't let people think by themself as you did?...Or advice them to go to see the doctor who will be more able to advice them than myself, if they are not as smart than you are.

if you want to win a competition, whether that be a bbing title or a game of chess you've got to bring it.

IF serge was good enough/wanted to win the olympia he would have. wild horses wouldn't have kept him away. a black cuban won it for fux sakes, at a time when the politics definitely weren't going his way.

i have heard every excuse invented as to why this person or that one didn't win, from politics to killer ninjas. ::)

if you want to win a competition, whether that be a bbing title or a game of chess you've got to bring it.

IF serge was good enough/wanted to win the olympia he would have. wild horses wouldn't have kept him away. a black cuban won it for fux sakes, at a time when the politics definitely weren't going his way.

i have heard every excuse invented as to why this person or that one didn't win, from politics to killer ninjas. ::)

NEVER heard a single excuses from the ones that did. ;)

Exactly!

Although he's got an awesome physique, the legs and the back still had a lot of development to do.... :-\

I never study medecine or chimistry, I leave that to those who did this kind of study. you said yourseft that I quote :"I am almost 100% positive that you used much less than most people assume." So you see you are a smart guy, so why you don't let people think by themself as you did?...Or advice them to go to see the doctor who will be more able to advice them than myself, if they are not as smart than you are.

Serge

I understand what you are saying but I still don't see a reason why you will not explain what you used. You don't have to study medicine or chemistry to know what you used.

You also have to realize that 99% of the people in the US are not going to the doctor for steroid use. Its illegal here, and to be honest, most docs don't have the first clue about steroid use for muscle building purposes.

I still don't understand why you wont simply say, "this is what I used, if you want to use anything I recommend you do under a professionals supervision". You did nothing wrong by using steroids and you would be doing nothing wrong by telling others what you used.

if you want to win a competition, whether that be a bbing title or a game of chess you've got to bring it.

IF serge was good enough/wanted to win the olympia he would have. wild horses wouldn't have kept him away. a black cuban won it for fux sakes, at a time when the politics definitely weren't going his way.

i have heard every excuse invented as to why this person or that one didn't win, from politics to killer ninjas. ::)

NEVER heard a single excuse from the ones that did. ;)

At least one day I was good enough, but when they saw me in South Africa "PUMPING IRON" with my 212 pounds of pure muscle and 2% body fat, they told me that I could not compete, so I lost 12 pound by not training and dieting for 12 days, so one day before the prejudging when they had been sure that I was not able to win anymore, the told me that I could compete now. THAT IS THE FACT. It is why now they invited me to come on stage at the next Mr; Olympia to take a stupid medal to feel better before they die, and have the possiblility to say, you see SERGE NUBRET is back.

I understand what you are saying but I still don't see a reason why you will not explain what you used. You don't have to study medicine or chemistry to know what you used.

You also have to realize that 99% of the people in the US are not going to the doctor for steroid use. Its illegal here, and to be honest, most docs don't have the first clue about steroid use for muscle building purposes.

I still don't understand why you wont simply say, "this is what I used, if you want to use anything I recommend you do under a professionals supervision". You did nothing wrong by using steroids and you would be doing nothing wrong by telling others what you used.

So if you are so concern about it, tell everybody on this web what you think that they should take. Please stop posting this kind of question, that is my last answer about it.

Slaveboy, let them think what they want, but I know the true, and Ben and Joe know the true too. that is the most important thing for me, don't forget that Ben told me that if I come back, he will give me the title of Mr. Olympia, I should say OK as every body did, but when I will be looking at me in the miroir who I will see?.....Joe and Ben!....

Because I have never been a Weider guy. I was not living in America as Weider Wanted.

Serge

no disrespect intended serge, but can you please inform us of exactly which mr olympia you should have won? make any excuse you want but, ON THE DAY, you didn't. it's really that simple. you were tricked? so what! learn from it, come back the following year and DON'T BE DENIED AGAIN.

you have stated repeatedly that you did not win the olympia because of politics, geography, racism, nepotism etc, but have never stated specifically what olympia competition you actually entered and got shafted.

oh, btw, for every single excuse you make, i can name, specifically, a mr olympia that debunks it ie:

politics - sergio was cuban (communist country) and black and it is no secret that he didn't play weider's game. he also won the olympia at a time when racial prejudice was worse than yours and he won it more than once.

geography - dorian yates lived and trained at the other side of the world and wasn't even remotely a 'weider guy'. he kept to himself, worked his ass off in the gym quietly and when he got beaten he listened to the criticism and simply came back the next time BETTER THAN EVER. he would not be denied. arnold did exactly the same thing.

racism - that card just doesn't fly when you consider that there about as many black olympia winners as white and, again, sergio won it when racial prejudice was worse than your time.

nepotism - refer aforementioned points and i cite sergio, dickerson and yates as examples to destroy this theory.

you had a great physique and achieved a great deal with it serge, but please don't sprout your silly excuses for not winning the o. it is disrespectful to those that did and it shows a lack of class.

i have no problem with your criticism of the weiders or the politics, etc but, again, winners don't make excuses.

So if you are so concern about it, tell everybody on this web what you think that they should take. Please stop posting this kind of question, that is my last answer about it.

Serge

Its as if you are ashamed of your steroid use.

If you don't want to discuss the subject that is fine but please realize that they did and do play a big part in bodybuilding. You looked the way you looked at least in part because of steroids. Just the same as diet, training, and genetics play a role, so does steroids. You like to tell people how hard you trained and how dedicated you were. I have no doubt about that fact, but you leave a big part of the story out. You are misleading people. Its like reading a flex magazine, they talk about everything butsteroids. Thats all well and good but it just isn't reality.

no disrespect intended serge, but can you please inform us of exactly which mr olympia you should have won? make any excuse you want but, ON THE DAY, you didn't. it's really that simple. you were tricked? so what! learn from it, come back the following year and DON'T BE DENIED AGAIN.

you have stated repeatedly that you did not win the olympia because of politics, geography, racism, nepotism etc, but have never stated specifically what olympia competition you actually entered and got shafted.

oh, btw, for every single excuse you make, i can name, specifically, a mr olympia that debunks it ie:

politics - sergio was cuban (communist country) and black and it is no secret that he didn't play weider's game. he also won the olympia at a time when racial prejudice was worse than yours and he won it more than once.

geography - dorian yates lived and trained at the other side of the world and wasn't even remotely a 'weider guy'. he kept to himself, worked his ass off in the gym quietly and when he got beaten he listened to the criticism and simply came back the next time BETTER THAN EVER. he would not be denied. arnold did exactly the same thing.

racism - that card just doesn't fly when you consider that there about as many black olympia winners as white and, again, sergio won it when racial prejudice was worse than your time.

nepotism - refer aforementioned points and i cite sergio, dickerson and yates as examples to destroy this theory.

you had a great physique and achieved a great deal with it serge, but please don't sprout your silly excuses for not winning the o. it is disrespectful to those that did and it shows a lack of class.

i have no problem with your criticism of the weiders or the politics, etc but, again, winners don't make excuses.

You maybe right only loosers make excuses, but maybe the title of Mr.O what not so important for me. I competed only 13 times in my all life, because I hate competition. But for some one who competed only 13 times and never won the O, you must admit that I did well, and still there, my mane as well will be there for a long time, even a longer time than a lot of Mr. O winners.

Of course we could choose another way for body building to progress. Instead of trying to be bigger and bigger, we could look for perfection and as you know "PERFECTION" don't exist, so will not have limit in our recheach, but in the other way limit exist, if not he become grotest.

And Serge, no one works harder in the gym than you do...sure, if you had taken steroids, there's no question you would have been a lot larger, but I still think you are HUGE--even when you guest posed at age 65! Truly Amazing! It's good you stayed natural because you never had a bloated thick waist and you probably wouldn't be alive here today to help us with questions and advice if you had. You are 70 years old and look 45! Thanks so much for your help, Serge. You're a class act, the best of the Iron Game Legends and very kind to want to give back to this sport. You and Steve Reeves had the best Classic Physiques ever!

You're not serious are you? It's pretty obvious Serge took steroids due to the fact that he hasn't admitted to being natural and won't give a direct answer.

I can't think of one BBer in the 70's who had a thick, bloated waist. Maybe you need to look at some more pics or footage from that era.

Thanks for sending me this video clip, Serge. I sent it to my sister last week and now she checks to see if everything she eats is gmo (even though it's the corn from France, lol). I don't think it's possible to know all the time, but I thought this was interesting. I hope you don't mind that I share it here.

This documentary exposes a study on a corn GMO that the Ministry of French Farming did not want to make public because the results showed that corn GMO provoked lesions on the organs of laboratory rats that ate it. It also reveals a study on a soy GMO done by independent Italian researchers in which mice who ingested the gmos suffered deteriorations of their pancreas cells.

Why should this interest a bodybuilder? Because steroids have been known to have similiar effects as gmos in the body. When man mutates a food species and ingests it, the altered DNA/RNA structure is unrecognizable by the body and it leads the body to work against the gmo and itself with inflammation and autoimmune response. The body treats the ingested or injected foreigner as enemy needing to be removed or destroyed thus leading to overworked organs, organ damage and cancers.

I learned from Serge and Steve Reeves that steroids give short term aesthetic advantages in terms of quick size gain in muscularity, but in the long run, the consequences are not worth it because of the risk of organ damage and death, so it's better never to use them. Many bodybuilders and athletes unfortunately have had to learn this the hard way because they were not aware of the drug's affects long term. I was sad when I saw someone at bb.com named specific bodybuilders and the organ damages they suffered from steroids as well as those who have died from them. I wish someone could have told them beforehand. I wish steroids were healthy and legal because a lot of guys choose to use them and I worry for them. But even more than that, I really wish bodybuilders would realize their bodies are beautiful in their natural form. Size is not more important than symmetry. The women think you guys are big enough in your natural state.

And Serge, no one works harder in the gym than you do...sure, if you had taken steroids, there's no question you would have been a lot larger, but I still think you are HUGE--even when you guest posed at age 65! Truly Amazing! It's good you stayed natural because you never had a bloated thick waist and you probably wouldn't be alive here today to help us with questions and advice if you had. You are 70 years old and look 45! Thanks so much for your help, Serge. You're a class act, the best of the Iron Game Legends and very kind to want to give back to this sport. You and Steve Reeves had the best Classic Physiques ever!

Thank you Made in Montana to try to help young kids about their future and not about their present, but people sometime don't get it. They should look at my picture that Weider put on his magasin cover "MUSCLE POWER" that chest pose which had been shooted 2 years only after that I started training, I did not even know what mean protein, In two years, I got 20 inches arm, they can go to my gallery photo and find out this picture, but I know already that they won't, so lazy for that. They just want to have muscle or to find someone who can tell then you can take that and stay in front of their TV set and get as much muscle you want. So don't try to change those people mind you loosing your precious time, let tolk about more constructive think, for example to tell the young kids on this forum, how to have a nice and healthy body and a good spirit inside. How are you Made in Montana, you should come more often on my thread.

how cares about the mr. o....many people think u have the best physique ever.

it just looked out of this world. abs, arms, triceps, chest, ripped to shreds, the muscle bellies and proportionate....everything was 'perfect' ;) ;) ;) ;)

It is that most of the people don't undestand, Mr O for me was not the only think I was thinking about. I was thinking more or to be the body builder who could stay in good shape during all his life, that is more important than any thing else, tell me how many body builders that people speak so much and never win the Mr O ?...

They should look at my picture that Weider put on his magasin cover "MUSCLE POWER" that chest pose which had been shooted 2 years only after that I started training, I did not even know what mean protein, In two years, I got 20 inches arm, they can go to my gallery photo and find out this picture, but I know already that they won't, so lazy for that.

im glad u were 100 per cent natural (it gives me much more inspiration to train and cements my faith in being natural, i always used ur physique and work ethic to inspire me anyway)...it all makes sense why u still are in great shape and always had that aesthetic great look!

yes he has a tiny waist, but then so did buchanan (spelling). is someone going to tell me brian buchanan wasn't using steroids? maybe i should scrap that question.

to simply say, 'well, he had a small waist.' or 'he is still healthy at 65.' is either being disingenuous or obtuse or both. there are plenty of healthy over '60's bbers still in the gym, or maybe draper, arnold, zane, pearl, padilla, columbu, platz, etc etc etc didn't use gear either? ::) well, thank god most of those guys have actually admitted their use or some key boards would be burning up right about now. funny how these guys aren't dead yet. :-\ hmmmm.

let's get up from the key board, walk outside and start counting all the natural guys that don't have wasp thin, super ripped waists (serge circa 1970). we'll still be counting next week, that is until we run into phil heath :o. oh, then maybe he doesn't use either? (shit, scrap that one too)

serge was as much a freak (for his dimensions) as sergio at the time. Oh and btw, re arnold's comments about the 'fiery cuban', he was talking about sergio, not serge.

Made in Montana, I'm not trying to attack Serge or shove my opinion down anyone's throats. I just think it's more than likely he used drugs. If you look at his pictures standing next to (probable) steroid users, you see he actually looks BETTER than some, which is very rare for a natural BBer in any day and age. Top 3 at the Mr. Olympia is another very hard feat for any natural and is virtually impossible in any era. They are just some things that you might want to consider and we can discuss this over PM if need be, since there's no need to wreck a good thread.

Serge, once again, thankyou for posting here. This will be the last you'll hear from me of the matter.

i believe Teagan Clive, aka Ramazon (user i.d on Get Big), referred to him as looking like a penis, or something to that effect.

u should buy that dvd...its the one about louie ferrigno vs boyer coe for the masters olympia...but robbie robbinson wins it. it has arnold talking in it too....its great to motivate u for ur workouts.

made in montana u are right about the natural size...alot of it is genetics combined with hard training.

i have an asian friend...who i swear to god has better muscle bellies, small joints combo than pro's and bigger arms, chest and muscles than those on the gear...he literally looks like an arnold but with better roundess in the muscle (no lie).... he hasnt even ever taken creatine, but he trains religiously eats super clean (never even allows any sauces like mayonaiise on his food, etc) and eveyrone thinks he is on gear....if i didnt know him personally i would swear to god he was on gear.

he would be a perfect candidate to be a pro bodybuilder...and i guarantee u he would make the olympia if he dedicated himself to it (i think he is a very rare genetic example). i would love to see how freaky he would get if he took gear....but anyway just thought i would let u know that story...this guy is a true freak, and to me he was proof that with superior genetics and hard work...u can look better than many of those on the gear.

Beast, I do not lie and I'm not slow in any way (thanks for the compliments, though, lol). Why do some of you think you have to have steroids to be big? My brother is huge and has never taken any kind of drug in his life. I know this for fact because we lived on a ranch out in the middle of nowhere when he got big from weights, food and sleep only. He would never even take an aspirin because he didn't like anything unnatural. He is big like Steve and Serge. He is bigger than some on steroids. My cousin is very young, just started lifting and is getting big already too. Both are big--without the juice.

When someone shows such strong disbelief that natural cannot be big, it clearly says one thing--his genetics are $hit...and he can't ever get big without drugs...otherwise he wouldn't argue if he was big naturally...he wouldn't need to. The best advice--take up a ping pong or a different sport; it'll be a better use of time for you. Some people will never believe big and natural are positively corrrelated unless they experience it themselves...like a doubting Thomas. You can pull out every proof and blood test there is to say you are natural and prove it...some will argue forever because they don't want to believe you. If you show them red, they will say it's blue. They have no vision...no faith...they cannot see. A reaction of disbelief tells me more about someone who disbelieves than it does about someone big being natural.

Why should Serge tell the truth here when no one wants to hear it and then gives him more and more grief than if he says nothing at all. The worst part is that a Bodybuilding Legend who is many times World Champion would come in here to donate his time for free and then have anyone talk to him so disrespectfully...truly unbelievable. It is not this way at other boards, where people spend the first half of their post thanking Serge for his time and are nervous to talk to him. Serge, you should go back to charging Olympic athletes money for your training, time and advice because you are treated much better than when you give it for free, some people don't value it then because it doesn't cost them anything.

Serge, I know you stay for the few who don't have money who may want to actually learn something, but it may not be worth it to you to be treatedly badly. There is a story about Jesus Christ healing people on a Sunday...the pharasees didn't see that he was helping someone and that a sick person was grateful for it. All they knew is that he broke their rules and they didn't like it...well...the rules here for you, Serge, are that you cannot agree, disagree, say yes, no, or anything or stay quiet either regarding talking about steroids--you will still be a$$holed and accused of lying or hiding something no matter what you say...or do not say. You cannot win, my friend. You lose just by standing there.

Everything happened just as I said it would...lol. I predicted what would happen...and people went ahead and did it. Except, I am the one who said Serge was natural, Serge didn't say a thing. I shouldn't have said it, because look at some of the people coming forward who tell Serge who and what he is now....criticizing a bodybuilding legend and arguing because he says nothing here except "how can I help you?"

Sure, there are some bb over 65 who took steroids who are still alive, but many have organ damage and look like your fat uncle, they don't look like Serge who looks better than the guys here who are 35. Which guy on your list has guest posed at 65 other than Serge? Once someone is off steroids, the muscle is gone in a New York Minute...look at Craig Titus and Kelley. It's gone. Compare it to a natural. During his acting career, when Steve trained for his movie roles/ lift weights for one month in the spring, it would stay for the rest of the year while he was busy/made the movies. In other words, the effects of natural last longer. You can see it in a bodybuilding line up of guys over 50. When someone says Serge can't look that way without steroids, they are saying that Serge is dumb enough to take steroids at age 65 (to risk ruining his organs and shorten his life just for one day of guest posing)...and then lucky enough to live through it. They are also saying he took steroids every year for 50 years because he looked like a champion every day of his entire life. No one can do that and live.

I don't mean to show any disrespect, but it bothers me when someone shows Serge disrespect, because if anyone here deserves to be treated well, it is Serge Nubret...one of (if not THE) best physique the world has ever known. Whether a person agrees or disagrees, we owe him the courtesy of being nice to him and grateful to him for sharing his time here with us and wanting to help.

i have no doubt whatsoever that one can get big whilst staying natural so please spare me all your stories about your friends, cousins, uncle's mother's cousin, blah blah.

getting freaky big, cut and in olympia contest condition is a whole different ball game.

get your insert relative here competitive on a mr olympia stage and i'll be an instant believer!

i didn't think so.

look, all due respect to serge, seriously. i really don't want to offend serge, he is doing a great service posting on get big. he doesn't want to discuss the issue and i DO respect that, but it was you that opened this whole discussion up and it is you that i am pointing out a few realities to.

last time i checked, zane, arnold, franco, padilla, draper, pearl, etc weren't big fat guys with organ damage, but then maybe YOU know more than me about this. you seem to have knowledge of organ damage without having to perform a biopsy, xray, hell, you don't even actually have to see the guy to KNOW such things.

apparently you're an expert on the 'look' of a drug user, can speak truths on behalf of other grown men (even when they don't want you to) and now you're an adviser re serge's business interests/hobbies ie posting on a message board.

i don't know you from a bar of soap but, taking all the aforementioned into account, you're either a liar, obtuse or your serge's siamese twin. which one is it?

made in montana u are right about the natural size...alot of it is genetics combined with hard training.

i have an asian friend...who i swear to god has better muscle bellies, small joints combo than pro's and bigger arms, chest and muscles than those on the gear...he literally looks like an arnold but with better roundess in the muscle (no lie).... he hasnt even ever taken creatine, but he trains religiously eats super clean (never even allows any sauces like mayonaiise on his food, etc) and eveyrone thinks he is on gear....if i didnt know him personally i would swear to god he was on gear.

he would be a perfect candidate to be a pro bodybuilder...and i guarantee u he would make the olympia if he dedicated himself to it (i think he is a very rare genetic example). i would love to see how freaky he would get if he took gear....but anyway just thought i would let u know that story...this guy is a true freak, and to me he was proof that with superior genetics and hard work...u can look better than many of those on the gear.

so i believe 100 per cent serge could be or is natural.

now if only i had those genetics >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

You know it's funny you say that because I also have a chinese friend like that. His back reminds me of Sergio, chest of Arnold, arms much better shape then any pro out there right now and when he trains wheels they pump up to such a point he has earned the monicker of quadzilla!

I agree with Made is Montanna. You can tell from the way he writes the truth that he knowns much more about bodybuilding then most people on this site. I for one thank you for sharing with us from your experience and hope to keep hearing from you.

You know it's funny you say that because I also have a chinese friend like that. His back reminds me of Sergio, chest of Arnold, arms much better shape then any pro out there right now and when he trains wheels they pump up to such a point he has earned the monicker of quadzilla!

He is 100% natural and wherever he goes he freaks everybody up!

lol yes... most asians have shit genetics from what ive seen (skinny looking) but u get one or two that must have some sort of gene...they are big and rounded muscle bellies just amazing.

all the current pro's i would not personally want their body for everyday life.... but serge's body was perfect and not so big that i wouldnt want to live with it. if i had serge nubret's body i would go everywhere with no top on lol.

all the current pro's i would not personally want their body for everyday life.... but serge's body was perfect and not so big that i wouldnt want to live with it. if i had serge nubret's body i would go everywhere with no top on lol.

Thank you.About alcohol, I cannot advice you because I never drink alcohol in my life.

Serge

Really? If I'm not mistaken, you were quite the ladies man, you had to have been around the party lifestyle one time or another. Any reasons why you never drank? Never even had wine with a woman before?

Really? If I'm not mistaken, you were quite the ladies man, you had to have been around the party lifestyle one time or another. Any reasons why you never drank? Never even had wine with a woman before?

Do you need wine to have ladies, and I don't need party to go out with them, I prefer to stay in my home.

serge after re-watching pumping iron and ur dvd trailer i noticed you did the side laterals lieing on the floor. i tried this at the gym yesterday thinking of u as my motivation and inspiration and it was a great exercise! best burn i ever had! thank you.

when is your online store going to be ready? and when is your book, dvd and pictures on sale?

serge you are a legend...perfect physique and a classical physique which i think has never been duplicated or rivaled.

also i must ask something - watching the pumping iron movie closely. it seems like arnold could be a real dickhead, insecure and arrogant to other bodybuilders (not giving credit and being a smart ass) and in the pump up room at 75 olympia, to u and louie he was rude (i love it when u said to him 'it looks like i can take u' loved that)....but then when u came in second u walk off but he seems to show u alot of respect and friendship he hugs u, pats u on the back and kiss on the cheek...which is all respect.

my questions are: was arnold abit of a dickhead back in the 70's? were u two ever friends or did u never really talk much? was he jealous and see you as a threat? (arnold seems to have matured in his older years and he even said he 'regets some of the things he did ' in the past which weren't nice)

serge after re-watching pumping iron and ur dvd trailer i noticed you did the side laterals lieing on the floor. i tried this at the gym yesterday thinking of u as my motivation and inspiration and it was a great exercise! best burn i ever had! thank you.

when is your online store going to be ready? and when is your book, dvd and pictures on sale?

serge you are a legend...perfect physique and a classical physique which i think has never been duplicated or rivaled.

also i must ask something - watching the pumping iron movie closely. it seems like arnold could be a real dickhead, insecure and arrogant to other bodybuilders (not giving credit and being a smart ass) and in the pump up room at 75 olympia, to u and louie he was rude (i love it when u said to him 'it looks like i can take u' loved that)....but then when u came in second u walk off but he seems to show u alot of respect and friendship he hugs u, pats u on the back and kiss on the cheek...which is all respect.

my questions are: was arnold abit of a dickhead back in the 70's? were u two ever friends or did u never really talk much? was he jealous and see you as a threat? (arnold seems to have matured in his older years and he even said he 'regets some of the things he did ' in the past which weren't nice)

also wat did u think of louis ferrigno?

Arnold was quiet respectfull with me, he is a cleaver guy, and we respect each other. but you never know what happened behind the scene, with Arnold.

You is a very goog guy, he came to train with me two weeks before this olympia, after the contest he asked me to train him, but because of HUK he couldnot make it.

and also 'no one can look as good as serge' ... maybe it was the shape of the muscles that was rare...or the way his muscles looked so big and round yet shaped and were bursting out... all i know is that serge had it all.

and also 'no one can look as good as serge' ... maybe it was the shape of the muscles that was rare...or the way his muscles looked so big and round yet shaped and were bursting out... all i know is that serge had it all.

thanks again serge.

Thank you, but Lionel is lucky to have me next to him. I will give him the best shape ever.

I was wondering if you could tell us any funny stories that you might have about when average people would see you in the public or on the beach? How is the american audience different from the European? How was your experience in South Africa in 1975 aside the Weider bullshit?

I was wondering if you could tell us any funny stories that you might have about when average people would see you in the public or on the beach? How is the american audience different from the European? How was your experience in South Africa in 1975 aside the Weider bullshit?

Also any stories inside the gym?

Thanks,Alex

This question will take me at least 2 pages to answer, so please ask it to me again in two weeks, because I am very busy now, we have a fitnes expo coming soon in Paris and I have to post a lot of thing too about my INTERNET CONTEST which is coming.

I was wondering if you could tell us any funny stories that you might have about when average people would see you in the public or on the beach? How is the american audience different from the European? How was your experience in South Africa in 1975 aside the Weider bullshit?

Also any stories inside the gym?

Thanks,Alex

If you are talking about this picture, he is a freind of mine from France, his name is Gerard BUINOUT.

I think you had a fantastic physique but I am wondering one thing: why didn't you ever try to develop your legs more? I see that in 1975 (before the Mr. O) you'd gotten a much bigger upper body, but your legs were about the same. Did you feel that they were in perfect proportion and big enough? Did you not like training them?

I think you had a fantastic physique but I am wondering one thing: why didn't you ever try to develop your legs more? I see that in 1975 (before the Mr. O) you'd gotten a much bigger upper body, but your legs were about the same. Did you feel that they were in perfect proportion and big enough? Did you not like training them?

Thanks!

My legs was proportioned with my uper body, but it is only now that people eyes are so used to see big and not proportion legs compered to their upper dody, that every body today find that people who has propotioned legs, differently, that TOM PLATZ fault.

My legs was proportioned with my uper body, but it is only now that people eyes are so used to see big and not proportion legs compered to their upper dody, that every body today find that people who has propotioned legs, differently, that TOM PLATZ fault.

Serge

I have to disagree with this. Again, I stress that I think you were a fantastic bodybuilder but, even back in the 70's, there were articles that said your legs were not fully up to par (and Arnold had the same comments - except in '74). I agree that today the quads (not calves) are too big on many bodybuilders but I do believe that your physique would have been perfect with just slightly larger legs and lats.

I have to disagree with this. Again, I stress that I think you were a fantastic bodybuilder but, even back in the 70's, there were articles that said your legs were not fully up to par (and Arnold had the same comments - except in '74). I agree that today the quads (not calves) are too big on many bodybuilders but I do believe that your physique would have been perfect with just slightly larger legs and lats.

I agree, if his legs (calves included) were a little bigger especially the hamstrings he would have looked much better next to the bigger guys. His back also needed some more thickness so as not to be dwarfed by the big guys. Either way he still came out with one of the most awe-inspiring physiques of all-time without even having to flex.

I have to disagree with this. Again, I stress that I think you were a fantastic bodybuilder but, even back in the 70's, there were articles that said your legs were not fully up to par (and Arnold had the same comments - except in '74). I agree that today the quads (not calves) are too big on many bodybuilders but I do believe that your physique would have been perfect with just slightly larger legs and lats.

That is your opinion and I am agree that every body has his own opinion as I do.

I agree, if his legs (calves included) were a little bigger especially the hamstrings he would have looked much better next to the bigger guys. His back also needed some more thickness so as not to be dwarfed by the big guys. Either way he still came out with one of the most awe-inspiring physiques of all-time without even having to flex.

I agree with everyting, but with all this I will perfect, but perfection does not exist.

My legs was proportioned with my uper body, but it is only now that people eyes are so used to see big and not proportion legs compered to their upper dody, that every body today find that people who has propotioned legs, differently, that TOM PLATZ fault.

Serge

Hi serge ...I think u are one of the very few people to agree with the fact that todays legs are too big for the upper bodies...it started in the early 80's...and also the front thighs are too big compared with the hamstrings..and calves are too small.

That is your opinion and I am agree that every body has his own opinion as I do.

Serge

I thinks Serge's leg size is fine. Pretty proportional to his whole body, or else not so many people like us will think he has one of the top 3 most perfect physique of all time. Look again at the picture where Sergio did the arms overhead with another 4-5 bodybuilders walking away from stage picture. See who is the one with swimmer hamstrings and legs. Definitely not Serge.

I thinks Serge's leg size is fine. Pretty proportional to his whole body, or else not so many people like us will think he has one of the top 3 most perfect physique of all time. Look again at the picture where Sergio did the arms overhead with another 4-5 bodybuilders walking away from stage picture. See who is the one with swimmer hamstrings and legs. Definitely not Serge.

Hi serge ...I think u are one of the very few people to agree with the fact that todays legs are too big for the upper bodies...it started in the early 80's...and also the front thighs are too big compared with the hamstrings..and calves are too small.

Now in every contest, if you don't have very huge leg you must forget it. They forget about proportions what a pitty.

I thinks Serge's leg size is fine. Pretty proportional to his whole body, or else not so many people like us will think he has one of the top 3 most perfect physique of all time. Look again at the picture where Sergio did the arms overhead with another 4-5 bodybuilders walking away from stage picture. See who is the one with swimmer hamstrings and legs. Definitely not Serge.

Now in every contest, if you don't have very huge leg you must forget it. They forget about proportions what a pitty.

Serge

So true Serge. I imagine the pros of your day didn't have to waddle when you walked due to oversized leg development. You guys actually looked like you could run and perform reasonably athletic movements.

So true Serge. I imagine the pros of your day didn't have to waddle when you walked due to oversized leg development. You guys actually looked like you could run and perform reasonably athletic movements.

Of course I know him, he used to train in my gym, he was a very good competitor. I saw him 2 weeks ago at the Body fitness EXPO at Versailles. About the Steroid taken I am sure that you guessed wrong. Say hello for me to Gabin.

Thank you for staying on this forum. Your advice and attitude are very refreshing!

I have been using your methods for two months now. I don't do as many sets as you did, but I changed my program from going heavy to going lighter with less time between sets. I concentrate on feeling the muscle. For example, I went from doing squats 350 pounds x 6-8 with many minutes of rest to 240x10 with 1 minute between.

I am very surprised at the results. I have gained 5 pounds since I started your method. This is also while I have been exercising aerobically 6 hours per week, so my fat levels have stayed about the same (maybe less now!). Also, I do not have soreness in my joints anymore.

I have a 15 year old son who wanted to try weight lifting as well. I also started him two months ago using your approach, but very light. I had him start on very moderate weights, doing three sets of 10 with a minute rest.

He has added an inch to his arms. I think I will have him stop lifting now or else he will quickly get bigger and stronger than me ;D

Thank you for staying on this forum. Your advice and attitude are very refreshing!

I have been using your methods for two months now. I don't do as many sets as you did, but I changed my program from going heavy to going lighter with less time between sets. I concentrate on feeling the muscle. For example, I went from doing squats 350 pounds x 6-8 with many minutes of rest to 240x10 with 1 minute between.

I am very surprised at the results. I have gained 5 pounds since I started your method. This is also while I have been exercising aerobically 6 hours per week, so my fat levels have stayed about the same (maybe less now!). Also, I do not have soreness in my joints anymore.

I have a 15 year old son who wanted to try weight lifting as well. I also started him two months ago using your approach, but very light. I had him start on very moderate weights, doing three sets of 10 with a minute rest.

He has added an inch to his arms. I think I will have him stop lifting now or else he will quickly get bigger and stronger than me ;D

Just be carefull of not pushing him too hard because he could be burned out, let him do it only if he likes that.

Serge I appreciate your presence on this forum and think your physique was one the most asthetic of all time, How tall are you and what waist size were you in those pictures? excuse me if you answered this question. I am currently about 5 foot eight and way about 210-215 pounds my waist is 30.5 inches. I really concentrate on my ab training and did you use any resistance in ab training? Sorry about all the questions,but I feel honored to speak to a legend thankyou for your time

Serge I appreciate your presence on this forum and think your physique was one the most asthetic of all time, How tall are you and what waist size were you in those pictures? excuse me if you answered this question. I am currently about 5 foot eight and way about 210-215 pounds my waist is 30.5 inches. I really concentrate on my ab training and did you use any resistance in ab training? Sorry about all the questions,but I feel honored to speak to a legend thankyou for your time

interesting that the article was by dillet, one of the 'freakiest' of all time.

i get the feeling that it wouldn't have mattered what ruhl did. he was never going to look like nubret.

i'm not sure what type of look the contemporary competitive bber is trying to achieve to be honest, but it seems that they are all starting to look similar.

i don't think you can really blame the bbers for this. more muscle has always been a big part of the equasion. the current field suggests that that the technology/pharmacology is there to add more and more muscle to the body. it's a bit scary to imagine where this is all going to end up, but make no mistake about it, the race will continue. progression is a very human trait, even if it ultimately destroys.

Yes 28" relax waist is quite impossible at 200lb, 5 feet 10". 32" relax waist at 200lb 5 feet 10" is already highly impressive. If is suck-in waist measurement, then it is more likely to be 28-29" but you reallt got to hold it there.

Yes 28" relax waist is quite impossible at 200lb, 5 feet 10". 32" relax waist at 200lb 5 feet 10" is already highly impressive. If is suck-in waist measurement, then it is more likely to be 28-29" but you reallt got to hold it there.

If I was sucking my waist in it will be even more smaller. It is why I am known as Serge Nubret

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I was wondering if you could tell us any funny stories that you might have about when average people would see you in the public or on the beach? How is the american audience different from the European? How was your experience in South Africa in 1975 aside the Weider bullshit?

Hey Serge when you have some time could you tell us a few stories about.. v v v :)

As you know I did 25 movies as : MY SON THE HEROS - PUMPING IRON - TOM SAYWER -.....

And I did a movie where I act to make love to a very beautifull girl, but just acting, not for real of course, maybe Weider saw the movie and as I may be a good actor he though that was for real. And even it was for real what bad if a nice looking man make love to a beautifull girl?... It is only after I realised my mistake, I did not know that at the IFBB it is better to make love to a man.

But everybody knows well that was only a pretext for bending me, becaus my participation on this Olympia was not wellcome, as the script of the movie was already wrotten, but they did not think that someone from France was able to have their plan ruined. The prove is that if you remember in the movie they said a last entry from France SERGE NUBRET, when the film crew came to Paris to filmed me for 2 days, but they offered me 200$ for my participation, of course I refused this stupid offert, it is why you don't see in the movie, but only in the contest part, which I could not refused to filmed because of the contract with the organizer.

So after seing me in the gym the first day of my arriving in South Africa, when I was training "my body weight was 212 pound" The day after Weider told me that I could not compete. So every countries said if NUBRET cannot compete nobody will go on stage "don't forget that at the moment was held the amateur Mr. UNIVERSE" so about 40 countries was there. So Weider did not know what to do, and for 12 days I did not train no diet, I lost 12 pounds it is in this kind of shape I competed 12 days later when Weider was sure that I could not beat Arnold anymore. He forgot suddently about this so call PORNO MOVIE. That is the history of this 1975 Mr.Olympia.

Two months later I founded WABBA "World Amateur Body Building Association"I am giving more detail in my books "I AM...ME AND GOD" and my "AUTOBIOGRAPHY BOOK"

Serge tell us about your experience in South Africa in 1975. ... the social climate, apartheid and your treatment from the host country...

Two years before the Mr. Olympia I was invited by the goverment of South Africa, to realize that apartheid was not as the all world was seeing it. Of course they try to show me that best part of the country, I even went to a discotech, and I danse with the wife of my host, and Jacqueline my wife who is black was dansing with my host. Of course I am not so innocent to beleive that theatral part of my visit. But I did not not to embaras my host by asking to much questions. I was cleaver enough to understand what was going on.Jacqueline who are not so diplomat than me, once in the national part of the PRETORIA airport, pretended to want to go to the bathroom "TO SEE IN BATHROOM" they were going to direct her. After a quick thinking our host "WHO WAS ALWAYS WITH US" drove Jacqueline to the INTERNATIONAL airport just to have the right to go go to the bathroom. Because in the national airport APARTHEID was the law their, NO BLACK MIX WITH WHITE.

Everythink was apart, even the bus for white and bus for black.......

So after two week in South Africa I decided to ask the IFBB to vote in favor of South Africa to be a part of the IFBB, but with one condition, that the president of the South African federation has to be black, "which is normal, because more than 20 MILLIONS of black for only 2 MILLIONS of white." and the black athletes and white athletes would be staying in the same room. That was the condition that we had the Mr.Olympia in South Africa after aceptence of those conditions. But this constest could be very domaging for the country after than Weider try to suspend me for life from the IFBB. Thanksfully the 40 participed countries decided to boicot the contest if I was suspended.

After South African federation was affiliated to the IFBB, and Weider did not need anymore He sent a letter against me saying that I was anBlack which founded a new federation therefore without credibility.

I am more to say but maybe I will read it in my AUTOBIOGRAPHIC book which is coming soon.

Two years before the Mr. Olympia I was invited by the goverment of South Africa, to realize that apartheid was not as the all world was seeing it. Of course they try to show me that best part of the country, I even went to a discotech, and I danse with the wife of my host, and Jacqueline my wife who is black was dansing with my host. Of course I am not so innocent to beleive that theatral part of my visit. But I did not not to embaras my host by asking to much questions. I was cleaver enough to understand what was going on.Jacqueline who are not so diplomat than me, once in the national part of the PRETORIA airport, pretended to want to go to the bathroom "TO SEE IN BATHROOM" they were going to direct her. After a quick thinking our host "WHO WAS ALWAYS WITH US" drove Jacqueline to the INTERNATIONAL airport just to have the right to go go to the bathroom. Because in the national airport APARTHEID was the law their, NO BLACK MIX WITH WHITE.

Everythink was apart, even the bus for white and bus for black.......

So after two week in South Africa I decided to ask the IFBB to vote in favor of South Africa to be a part of the IFBB, but with one condition, that the president of the South African federation has to be black, "which is normal, because more than 20 MILLIONS of black for only 2 MILLIONS of white." and the black athletes and white athletes would be staying in the same room. That was the condition that we had the Mr.Olympia in South Africa after aceptence of those conditions. But this constest could be very domaging for the country after than Weider try to suspend me for life from the IFBB. Thanksfully the 40 participed countries decided to boicot the contest if I was suspended.

After South African federation was affiliated to the IFBB, and Weider did not need anymore He sent a letter against me saying that I was anBlack which founded a new federation therefore without credibility.

I am more to say but maybe I will read it in my AUTOBIOGRAPHIC book which is coming soon.

Two years before the Mr. Olympia I was invited by the goverment of South Africa, to realize that apartheid was not as the all world was seeing it. Of course they try to show me that best part of the country, I even went to a discotech, and I danse with the wife of my host, and Jacqueline my wife who is black was dansing with my host. Of course I am not so innocent to beleive that theatral part of my visit. But I did not not to embaras my host by asking to much questions. I was cleaver enough to understand what was going on.Jacqueline who are not so diplomat than me, once in the national part of the PRETORIA airport, pretended to want to go to the bathroom "TO SEE IN BATHROOM" they were going to direct her. After a quick thinking our host "WHO WAS ALWAYS WITH US" drove Jacqueline to the INTERNATIONAL airport just to have the right to go go to the bathroom. Because in the national airport APARTHEID was the law their, NO BLACK MIX WITH WHITE.

Everythink was apart, even the bus for white and bus for black.......

So after two week in South Africa I decided to ask the IFBB to vote in favor of South Africa to be a part of the IFBB, but with one condition, that the president of the South African federation has to be black, "which is normal, because more than 20 MILLIONS of black for only 2 MILLIONS of white." and the black athletes and white athletes would be staying in the same room. That was the condition that we had the Mr.Olympia in South Africa after aceptence of those conditions. But this constest could be very domaging for the country after than Weider try to suspend me for life from the IFBB. Thanksfully the 40 participed countries decided to boicot the contest if I was suspended.

After South African federation was affiliated to the IFBB, and Weider did not need anymore He sent a letter against me saying that I was anBlack which founded a new federation therefore without credibility.

I am more to say but maybe I will read it in my AUTOBIOGRAPHIC book which is coming soon.

Hey Serge I would be interested to know if you ever got into any fights. I know you are not the type of guy who starts things but I would guess you could hold your own against just about anybody. Ever got into physical confrontations?

Hey Serge I would be interested to know if you ever got into any fights. I know you are not the type of guy who starts things but I would guess you could hold your own against just about anybody. Ever got into physical confrontations?

Also I started doing your style of training and it is working great!

I am nearly 69, and I never fight in my life, yes once I was 12 years old. I think that it is harder not fighting that fighting. Specially for us body builders, if we fight and win it won't be a big deal in the eyes of people as we are supposed to be strong. But if we loose we will look ridiculous, and we never know against who we are going to fight, so as you see in both way it is no good for us.

Serge if you had the option with today's knowledge of natural bb, nutrition and lifting compared to drug enhancements, which would you choose?

I know that with knowledge about nutrition, training, and of course the MIND and EMOTIONAL POWERS, you don't need any drugs. But how many people really love body building just for what it is?....NO SO MANY.

I know that with knowledge about nutrition, training, and of course the MIND and EMOTIONAL POWERS, you don't need any drugs. But how many people really love body building just for what it is?....NO SO MANY.

Serge

I do serge!!! And I dont buy 'supplements' nor do I attend 'shows' .. i do it for the personal satisfation and its my 'anti-drug' (even though I smoke bluts before the gym)...

Hey Serge, two days ago I had a great conversation with Ahmet Enunlu, you know him very very well from his 1977 and 1978 WABBA World Championship titles.He had many stories to tell about, what do you think about Enunlu?Then I will tell what he told me about his WABBA Championship days and you ;)

Hey Serge, two days ago I had a great conversation with Ahmet Enunlu, you know him very very well from his 1977 and 1978 WABBA World Championship titles.He had many stories to tell about, what do you think about Enunlu?Then I will tell what he told me about his WABBA Championship days and you ;)

Ahmet Enunlu, my godness this guy his fantastic, he was a very good freind of mine, please give me his contact by PM please..pleas.

he seemed to be an asshole to the competitors in the 1980 olympia and to mike mentzer and also in the backstage of 1975 i believe he should have shown more respect to the great serge nubret!

also did u ever meet or talk to mike mentzer? what u think of him? do u agree with his high intensity principles.

How is Arnold the asshole, Mike was the one flipping out. Reminds me of something the other weekend when this dude on a bike tried starting shit with me cause I honked at him while he was riding in the middle of the road. I step out my car and all he does is rant and rave like a retard while I am calm and just attempting to get my point across. We are in the middle of a the main street of town and the light is has been green for a while now, he starts yelling at me to get in my car and leave before the light turns red again. Now who was the asshole there.

he seemed to be an asshole to the competitors in the 1980 olympia and to mike mentzer and also in the backstage of 1975 i believe he should have shown more respect to the great serge nubret!

also did u ever meet or talk to mike mentzer? what u think of him? do u agree with his high intensity principles.

Arnold was maybe an asshole about me but that is life, I should be one too, but my familly did not raise me like that. About Mike mentzer training program, I never use it, but I am still in live, I think his training his too much stressful for the body.

Arnold was maybe an asshole about me but that is life, I should be one too, but my familly did not raise me like that. About Mike mentzer training program, I never use it, but I am still in live, I think his training his too much stressful for the body.

Serge

Do you think the stress put on his body by his program caused the mental breakdown which ended his life Serge ? What about other HITers?

Arnold was maybe an asshole about me but that is life, I should be one too, but my familly did not raise me like that. About Mike mentzer training program, I never use it, but I am still in live, I think his training his too much stressful for the body.

Serge

cool serge. thats why u have the respect from all.

in regards to mike mentzer training program, you are right it is the MOST STRESSFUL workouts i ever did in my life (it leaves u tired for days) but i am getting good results.

i can appreciate what you're saying about what is attractive/what's not, but i also agree with you that bbers don't put themselves through all this to look attractive.

it's like saying a guy plays pro baseball to get the girls.

what drives a pro bber imo is the need to improve. progress is human nature and humans will do whatever it takes to succeed.

thus bbers must get bigger, freakier, etc.

i doubt serge said one day, "oh, i want to just maintain now."

maybe the mistake is, as you say, adding mass for the sake of it. bbers should be addressing proportion shortcomings instead maybe, but i can't see a competitive athlete ever saying enough is enough. athletes must strive, it's in their nature.

the result of progress is physiques that looking freakier and freakier.

the type of physique that serge had was probably more unattainable than what cutler presents, because a lot of what serge had ie tiny waist, etc were genetic attributes.

It is very interesting to compare Serge bodyshape during the above pic to his best in the 1972-late 70's. During the above pic time his physique has less definition, and his neck look thicker and face look bigger. Later during his best years, he has a much smaller face and thinner neck and wider shoulder. Compare his look in this pic and that of his look in the Pro Cup clip in you tube you get what I meant.

In that early pic, I believe Serge trained with some lower reps, heavy weight sets. He has not achieved the super-ripped and hard look he was known for. Remember Serge still holds the French Bench Press Record 500lb at 200lb?

The last pic Serge was about 50 years old I think. At this point he has a "drier" but cut down on some size.

In the middle, he was at his best at about 35-40 years old, where he was massive enough and being cut enough with his pecs esp lower pecs fully-blown. The difference between Frank Zane and Serge with both being aesthetic, is that Serge is bigger and has some freaky body parts: like his pecs and bone structure.

It's interesting...Jay trains 90 min./day. That's about as long as I train (2-3X/wk). Serge used to train all day, every day...7-8+ hours was nothing unusual when training for competition; he is doing about 2-3 hrs/day now (at 69 yrs old). Serge explains that you stimulate excess testosterone in your body when you train in excess beyond 5 hours. It's like when you don't sleep, you produce excess cortisol...or when you are stressed...excess adrenaline. When you overtrain, the body has to produce excess testosterone in order to keep training that way every day. Serge has never been as big as Jay and only ate once or twice a day instead of once every hour and a half, but I think he looks big enough.

Leannmean...I see what you mean. He's a lot younger in that last picture. Still...Very nice. Sexy body. Comparing to later...this one is from 1975. This is impressive...even more muscular:

interesting theory about the over 5 hrs training time increasing test. never heard of that one. i remember that during the late 80's, early 90's there were studies that concluded that training longer than 50 minutes was likely to reduce test levels. it was a consequence to this that bbers started spending less time in the gym. sort of went with the whole intensity first thing aswell.

interesting that even hardore bbing fans will gladly express their disgust at the contemporary bber ie jay, ronnie, etc, but i haven't read/heard a single diss at nubret's body.

'just say no' has NEVER worked with drugs and neither have the draconian laws that govern drug use. in fact, all it does incite drug use eg. during prohibition of alcohol circa 1920's america, alcohol had the highest consumption rate ever and organised crime gained a strong foothold on american society. my point is, forget about trying to control whatever drugs the pros are using and start rewarding symmetry, shape, lines and proportion over massive size. i don't exactly know how that would be done, but it would be a good start to uncovering more nubrets out there and bbing might gain some credibility. :-\

Made in Montana, agreed and thanks for continuing to provide awe inspiring pic of nubret. that last shot is incredible.

the problem is that, imho, it is extremely rare that you will find a human with nubret's combination of shape, size and proportion. i'd like to see just how many guys do everything that nubret did/does and end up looking like nubret.

this may be part of the problem. everyone wants to compete, even the guys with super wide frames, waists, etc. obviously these guys must develop much wider everything else to get the right proportion and on we go down the size at all costs path again.

maybe bbing competition is just fundamentally flawed. serge didn't compete that much did he? ;)

In that early pic, I believe Serge trained with some lower reps, heavy weight sets. He has not achieved the super-ripped and hard look he was known for. Remember Serge still holds the French Bench Press Record 500lb at 200lb?

The last pic Serge was about 50 years old I think. At this point he has a "drier" but cut down on some size.

In the middle, he was at his best at about 35-40 years old, where he was massive enough and being cut enough with his pecs esp lower pecs fully-blown. The difference between Frank Zane and Serge with both being aesthetic, is that Serge is bigger and has some freaky body parts: like his pecs and bone structure.

Those picture than Made in Montana shown in the bigining, I was only maybe 23 years old, have been training only for a few years, and the others was taken when I was about 40..something about 20 years after it is normal that my muscle was more mature, more dense. I never trained with havy weights, but some time I just try a max just for my ego. Tha first time I went to the gym I did a bench press with 100 kg.

Made in Montana, agreed and thanks for continuing to provide awe inspiring pic of nubret. that last shot is incredible.

the problem is that, imho, it is extremely rare that you will find a human with nubret's combination of shape, size and proportion. i'd like to see just how many guys do everything that nubret did/does and end up looking like nubret.

this may be part of the problem. everyone wants to compete, even the guys with super wide frames, waists, etc. obviously these guys must develop much wider everything else to get the right proportion and on we go down the size at all costs path again.

maybe bbing competition is just fundamentally flawed. serge didn't compete that much did he? ;)

Beast, I agree genetics can give an advantage. But I also think training technique can make up for weaknesses. Serge is not only a bodybuilder, but also an artist and sculptor. He has ways of making certain body parts larger and some tapered with shape...look at Lionel, who Serge trains. His physique looks similiar to Serge's because of similiar training technique. I would bet that anyone who trained with Serge could end up looking more like this, than they do now.

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You are right Made in Montana, the training technic is very important. In my when I was train competitors, like Thierry PASTEL, Gabin LAMBERT, Even Edouardo kAWAK who did not have the perfect physic to start with change in some kind of perfection. Lionel is a young body builder soon he will be very wellnown if he does not make mistake, I am training a new one now is name is JEROME, keep his name in mind too. It is why by thursday i will start to train people through INTERNET for contest, just go to my website on Friday for more informations, the website is below :

Serge, you are a legend and one of the best ever. Your legacy is in place and you will be remebered for as long as their is bodybuilding.

However, what we all want to know is how much you took. Come on, be honest. I'm guessing 1000g test, 1000g deca and as much dbol and anavar as your kidneys could handle. This is nothing by todays monstrous standards, and no one doubts hard work, discipline and diet were fundamental in your sucess - but how much did you take! Or do you claim to have been natrual ::)

Good job, Beast. You know...I've seen his name spelled differently in various prints, but I believe that's the correct spelling. The reason I posted his picture was to illustrate that his height and body type is different than Serge, but he still looks amazing.

i better be careful, you're starting to make me a believer (in genetics being so dominant a factor) lol ;D

great pics as usual Made in Montana.

makkawy (thanks for correct spelling) was a gironda trained bber wasn't he? gironda was very much devoted to shape and proportion above mass for the sake of mass.

makkawy was a tremendous bber.

That's true, when Makkawy won the universe title in Montreal, he stay in USA and train withe Vince GIRONDA, it was not a big difference for him, as I heard Vince training program is quit similar than mine, but Makkawy get his Mr.Universe title bifore he star training with Vince.

I remember that Vince Gironda was my guest when I organize the WABBA world chamionship in Paris in the year 1982 if I remember, that Sergio won the pro division in front of Bertil FOW, John Brown the tall class in amateur, Kawak his class "medium" and the overall too.

Those picture than Made in Montana shown in the bigining, I was only maybe 23 years old, have been training only for a few years, and the others was taken when I was about 40..something about 20 years after it is normal that my muscle was more mature, more dense. I never trained with havy weights, but some time I just try a max just for my ego. Tha first time I went to the gym I did a bench press with 100 kg.

serge, you are a living legend and a huge inspiration to all men. i know you are blessed and don't dwell on negativity but i struggle to understand why the weiders put their ego and prejudices before providing fair play to such a great champion.

it is still nice to know that the great serge nubret continues to touch the lives of so many. 8)

(http://mywebpage.netscape.com/IronGameLegendsF/stevefingertips.JPG)Reeves was great but I'm not buying into this photo. ::)

Good.

Because you shouldn't buy into it. The barbell is 100 lbs lighter than claimed, and the plates are edged/indented, making it a LOT easier to grip. Sorry Made in Montana sorry there was a poster here who knew his iron history, huh? Maybe you should change the caption.

serge, you are a living legend and a huge inspiration to all men. i know you are blessed and don't dwell on negativity but i struggle to understand why the weiders put their ego and prejudices before providing fair play to such a great champion.

it is still nice to know that the great serge nubret continues to touch the lives of so many. 8)

That is normal the the Weiders put their ego on my way, I am the only body builder in the world who did not say always YES to them and kiss ass. They still have hope, I am laughting.

Among those in BB whom you still contact and remain freindly with, where do they go to find the most up to date information on th 'sport' ? Dare I say getbig, some other place or do they just dont care anymore?

That's true, when Makkawy won the universe title in Montreal, he stay in USA and train withe Vince GIRONDA, it was not a big difference for him, as I heard Vince training program is quit similar than mine, but Makkawy get his Mr.Universe title bifore he star training with Vince.

Similarity is maybe the high volume aspect for the pre-contest. Makkawy did like 8 sets of 8 reps of four to six exercises per body part. But the difference in exercises performance is different, for example I think Serge do not believe in Neck Press, Gironda Dip, Sissy Squat, Drag Curl. And I think Gironda believe too much abdominal worls will shock the nervous system to halt growth, whereas Serge train abdominal with high volume daily.

Yes they maybe did, but what they did to fight against him?....I founded WABBA it is why Weider was so against me because of that. Weider does not care you are against him, he cares only when you start to find a way to fight.

Among those in BB whom you still contact and remain freindly with, where do they go to find the most up to date information on th 'sport' ? Dare I say getbig, some other place or do they just dont care anymore?

Jaejonna

I really don't know. Maybe some does not care anymore and some go to other place, but most of them are not familiar with internet.

Similarity is maybe the high volume aspect for the pre-contest. Makkawy did like 8 sets of 8 reps of four to six exercises per body part. But the difference in exercises performance is different, for example I think Serge do not believe in Neck Press, Gironda Dip, Sissy Squat, Drag Curl. And I think Gironda believe too much abdominal worls will shock the nervous system to halt growth, whereas Serge train abdominal with high volume daily.

Correct me if I am wrong, Serge.

The only thing that I know is that Makkawy when he won his Mr Universe title never went to America before, but stop to me to train to get ready for this contest. What he did with Vince after I really don't know, but that was after his Mr universe contest title.

You are a nice person too and humble...this makes your physique more impressive.[/quote]

Actually even though the politics in 1975 caused Serge to come in smaller and less ripped. I thought Serge's overall package look very graceful plus artistic and not so freakish in 1975 Olympia. I am sure everyone who first saw Serge in pumping iron and Arnold's Encylopedia would probably agree with that. Whether it was fate that resulted Serge in such a condition, Serge's physique was presented in a way never seen before at any other times of his career.

Why is there only 3 competitors in the contest? Meaning you are either first, middle or last?

The only thing that I know is that Makkawy when he won his Mr Universe title never went to America before, but stop to me to train to get ready for this contest. What he did with Vince after I really don't know, but that was after his Mr universe contest title.

Makkawy went on winning several pro titles and as runner up for the Olympia and was nicknamed the "Magical Egyptian". He also promoted a series of mail order training courses called "Variable Angle system aka VAT " which I believe is similar to Vince Gironda's "Muscle has four sides".

Serge would probably be more successful if he also come out with his mailing order courses too. I read that his posters placed in USA gyms inspired lots of people. That was when Serge was censored by the Weider. I know Serge will never allow this, but if Weider were to put Serge's pics on their protein powders, I bet it will sell even better.

It is always interesting to find out more about how much legends like Serge used. The fact that he is still healthy near 70 years old, never seen him with bitch tits. No matter what he will always be our bodybuilding legend.

I have tried using Serge's training routine for 3 weeks now. Unbelievable results. The only downside is Ive had to take days off work at first because I was so sore. And I was pushing 1/3 of the weights I normally would when going "heavy".

Serge, thanks for the inspiration and for providing this information free of charge. You are a true legend and a gentleman.

I have tried using Serge's training routine for 3 weeks now. Unbelievable results. The only downside is Ive had to take days off work at first because I was so sore. And I was pushing 1/3 of the weights I normally would when going "heavy".

Serge, thanks for the inspiration and for providing this information free of charge. You are a true legend and a gentleman.

Serge Nubret remains one of the most significant figure and for lots of bodybuilders, he represents the out-of-the-box aesthetic reference. His legacy is well alive, witnessing the Golden Age of bodybuilding when balance and harmony were keys to all achievements.

why not other photos for sale? i really dont like those ones! there are so many better photos of u i would want to buy signed. will add them? i like the first one here especially.

Its just incredible how healthy he looks. I don't know why todays bodybuilders would stray from this look. Even if bigger wins the show, this is just amazing. I'd rather have health and wellness than a 10,000 check and a trophy for something no one will remember in 10 years. Whats great about these bodybuilders of the 70's is they did it for the competition, not so much the money.

Its just incredible how healthy he looks. I don't know why todays bodybuilders would stray from this look. Even if bigger wins the show, this is just amazing. I'd rather have health and wellness than a 10,000 check and a trophy for something no one will remember in 10 years. Whats great about these bodybuilders of the 70's is they did it for the competition, not so much the money.

Exactly. The price money was was only 1000$ for the Mr.Olympia in South Africa.

Curious to know if you have ever trained with Arnold and what the workout was like. I have seen it mentioned in the Arnold Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding that Arnold though you had one of the most complete chests ever and he also learned from you that you need to flex the muscles after every workout.

Curious to know if you have ever trained with Arnold and what the workout was like. I have seen it mentioned in the Arnold Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding that Arnold though you had one of the most complete chests ever and he also learned from you that you need to flex the muscles after every workout.

Here are some pictures. I think the first ones are from 1969.

Arnold and I some time trained in the same and at the same time, but we never trained together.

Hi SergeGreat to have such a legend posting. I'll check through the other posts before sending questions that may have been answered already. 1 which I doubt has:-Are you still in contact with Thierry Pastel, is he still training and ANY chance he will get back on stage?Many thanks and I'll be back re questions for you.Trev

Im only 13 pages into this post after spotting today and Im TOTALLY blown away. This thread is THE most valuable on-line bodybuilding tool Ive come across and SUCH an inspiration.Many thanks Serge. Your physique completely blows away any of todays pro's. - You epitomise TRUE Bodybuilding.

Hi SergeYou mentioned on an earlier post that you prefer to train your muscles when you are sore. Are you always sore in that case? and do you believe then that muscles WILL grow if permanently sore and not able to fully recover.Many thanks.

Hi SergeYou mentioned on an earlier post that you prefer to train your muscles when you are sore. Are you always sore in that case? and do you believe then that muscles WILL grow if permanently sore and not able to fully recover.Many thanks.

Trev, keep in mind that not all of serge's tips will work for nattys.

There are varying thoughts when it comes to DOMS.

somes ay that working out while sore will inhibit the repair processsome say that you shoud time your work such to always be sore..sore equals growthsome say that DOMS isn't always an indicator of hypertrophy

somes ay that working out while sore will inhibit the repair processsome say that you shoud time your work such to always be sore..sore equals growthsome say that DOMS isn't always an indicator of hypertrophy

Hi SergeGreat to have such a legend posting. I'll check through the other posts before sending questions that may have been answered already. 1 which I doubt has:-Are you still in contact with Thierry Pastel, is he still training and ANY chance he will get back on stage?Many thanks and I'll be back re questions for you.Trev

Yes Thierry has a gym, near Paris so he is busy. I don't think that he will compete any more.

Im only 13 pages into this post after spotting today and Im TOTALLY blown away. This thread is THE most valuable on-line bodybuilding tool Ive come across and SUCH an inspiration.Many thanks Serge. Your physique completely blows away any of todays pro's. - You epitomise TRUE Bodybuilding.

Dude,come on. Serge DID have great pec genetics; that's a fact. I do work hard; right now I am dieting and feel hungry, have to go to bed soon....

Come to train with me only one day, and you will know what that means training, hard 60 sets in one hours, just to give an example., 30 seconds rest between set, impossible to train with a partner. That my training, do that only for one year and you will se how your chest will improve.

Hi SergeYou mentioned on an earlier post that you prefer to train your muscles when you are sore. Are you always sore in that case? and do you believe then that muscles WILL grow if permanently sore and not able to fully recover.Many thanks.

Yes that's true but it is difficult to be all time sore, you can be sore only when you train the muscle more or if you do some exercice that not use to do, so it is difficult, but i try my best to find this soreness;

Serge would you be willing to posedown against Arnold nowadays? Just for the fun of it. I know he is 60 and you are 8 years older then him. How do you think that would turn out? Do you think he is natural now?

Yes that's true but it is difficult to be all time sore, you can be sore only when you train the muscle more or if you do some exercice that not use to do, so it is difficult, but i try my best to find this soreness;

I have always waited until the soreness has gone even if it means re-scheduling my workout to a later day than planned! I'll workout as planned now and see how training when sore effects my results. Many thanks for your replies.

Serge would you be willing to posedown against Arnold nowadays? Just for the fun of it. I know he is 60 and you are 8 years older then him. How do you think that would turn out? Do you think he is natural now?

I don't think that Arnold will be agreed to pose with me that is the question you should be asking. I thought that Arnold has always been natural..NO?...

I have always waited until the soreness has gone even if it means re-scheduling my workout to a later day than planned! I'll workout as planned now and see how training when sore effects my results. Many thanks for your replies.

Hi Serge. I want to start using your program as of today. I know you believe in keeping blood in the muscle for as long as possible. I work long hours during the week - am I best to door one bodypart at 6am and then the second in the evening rather tahn one straight after the other??

Hi Serge. I want to start using your program as of today. I know you believe in keeping blood in the muscle for as long as possible. I work long hours during the week - am I best to door one bodypart at 6am and then the second in the evening rather tahn one straight after the other??

i think trev will make better gains on a simple 3 day split focusing on the basic exercises.

Thanks man, But I am very knowledgable 37 years old and have been using that kind of system for 22 years combined with twice weekly runs to keep me tight. I am pretty hard ( abs & serratus all visible & lower stomach skin pinch = half inch ) 14 stone 3 and 5 foot 11 tall ( completely natural too ) and want to drop the running, get even leaner and try and build up to a cut 210 pounds - May then compete!!. I'll give this system my best shot and post whether its working for me or not. I do appreciate your thoughts and input though.

Thanks man, But I am very knowledgable 37 years old and have been using that kind of system for 22 years combined with twice weekly runs to keep me tight. I am pretty hard ( abs & serratus all visible & lower stomach skin pinch = half inch ) 14 stone 3 and 5 foot 11 tall ( completely natural too ) and want to drop the running, get even leaner and try and build up to a cut 210 pounds - May then compete!!. I'll give this system my best shot and post whether its working for me or not. I do appreciate your thoughts and input though.

What about 4 to 5 hours training every day except sunday, 2000 situps nonstop and 3 to 5 kg of meat every day even sunday. But don't train to do that, because you could be sick or kill yourself, I was a sick man to do that. Be more cleaver go to see your pharmacy. It's easier and you won't have to live as long as me, I am tied to live, can you beleive nearly 70 years and maybe 20 or more, that's realy to much.

What about 4 to 5 hours training every day except sunday, 2000 situps nonstop and 3 to 5 kg of meat every day even sunday. But don't train to do that, because you could be sick or kill yourself, I was a sick man to do that. Be more cleaver go to see your pharmacy. It's easier and you won't have to live as long as me, I am tied to live, can you beleive nearly 70 years and maybe 20 or more, that's realy to much.

What about 4 to 5 hours training every day except sunday, 2000 situps nonstop and 3 to 5 kg of meat every day even sunday. But don't train to do that, because you could be sick or kill yourself, I was a sick man to do that. Be more cleaver go to see your pharmacy. It's easier and you won't have to live as long as me, I am tied to live, can you beleive nearly 70 years and maybe 20 or more, that's realy to much.

What Serge did is very similar to the warrior diet. According to the diet we were hunters and gathers so we hunt during the day then at night we overeat to compinsate for the daily fast. Its an interesting book i have read it Ori claims that its the reason so many people have diabetes. To many meals to much insulin production.

u can only eat what ur body will take....i.e the optimum amount of food needed.

u have to over eat to get used to your optimum and ur optimum is always changing as long as ur making gains.

serge nubret! a true legend of the sport......and i have total respect for the pros....but squadfather and i have settled our differences and i dont think hes being to strong/cheeky or sarcastic when hes calling bullshit on that diet for serge........also i dont like the way serge is denying the use of anabolics and/or ignoring the questions on it

how did you do it Serge? i heard that you ate a very large meal before bed and fasted during the day.

Yes tha's true I used to eat a lot before to go to bed, because I never ate in the morning as i was doing every morning my abs "2000 situps" non stop and then my quads or my leg biceps, so it's why I could not eat in the morning, that became a habit. During the day I eat less but always meat or chiken mixed with rice and beans or spaghety.We used to have eating contest every other weeks in my gym, with very big eaters, and the one who lost will have to invite all the other one next time. We weigh ourself before and after eating so we knew who ate more, beleive me I was often the winner, one day I had 7 kg weight more than when i started.

What Serge did is very similar to the warrior diet. According to the diet we were hunters and gathers so we hunt during the day then at night we overeat to compinsate for the daily fast. Its an interesting book i have read it Ori claims that its the reason so many people have diabetes. To many meals to much insulin production.

What Serge did is very similar to the warrior diet. According to the diet we were hunters and gathers so we hunt during the day then at night we overeat to compinsate for the daily fast. Its an interesting book i have read it Ori claims that its the reason so many people have diabetes. To many meals to much insulin production.

I'd like to contradict u and point out that our digestive system is NOT built for mass meat consumption. We are actually born to eat low glycemic carbs in small to moderate quantities .

Hi SergeMany thanks for the advice and apologies for the Rugby at the weekend !!On your web site it states that your appearance 3 years ago at the World Championships in France was your "Last Show to the public" - You looked incredible! is this still the case or do you think you may guest pose again one day?

Hi SergeMany thanks for the advice and apologies for the Rugby at the weekend !!On your web site it states that your appearance 3 years ago at the World Championships in France was your "Last Show to the public" - You looked incredible! is this still the case or do you think you may guest pose again one day?

Hi SergeMany thanks for the advice and apologies for the Rugby at the weekend !!On your web site it states that your appearance 3 years ago at the World Championships in France was your "Last Show to the public" - You looked incredible! is this still the case or do you think you may guest pose again one day?

I don't know yet, Panatta company asked me to guest pose for my 70 years birthday, I will see.

Ha ha - so am I .... Here's hoping we retain the title next weekend !!

I have adapted your schedule to try give myself an extra days rest ( normally still very sore after 2 days, so going for 3 day rest ) AND to avoid trying to work my chest the day after training triceps ( when they will be VERY sore ). Does this schedule look Ok to you ??

Ha ha - so am I .... Here's hoping we retain the title next weekend !!

I have adapted your schedule to try give myself an extra days rest ( normally still very sore after 2 days, so going for 3 day rest ) AND to avoid trying to work my chest the day after training triceps ( when they will be VERY sore ). Does this schedule look Ok to you ??

no need to that much ab training unless your into somekind of sportspecific training. also serges high rep ab training is not that smart. specially not to use as cardio...if you wanna do cardio..do some fast walking or something.

doing 2-3 weighted sets of ab training twice a week is enough (dont do direct oblique training tho if your a bb). and no you wont get a thick waist..specially not without noticing it.........also ab strength is important too keep in balance with lower back strength.

doing endless reps of bw crunches is just useless (unless your a total newbie..)

serge was a great bodybuilder but that doesnt mean you should copy everything he did.

Hiya - Again, I appreciate your comments, BUT tried weighted abs back in the '80's and it did enlarge my abs and obliques!! I Have basically avoided ab work through my 20's and 30's as I have been slowly building through basic routines and a relaxed diet. Although Ive dieted down already from 16st and 37 inch waist to a 32 inch waist at just over 14st I want it back to the 30" which is where it was when I was previously this lean in my twenties at 12st 7. Then I am planning to diet down further! As shown I HAVE adapted the routine to include more days off and changed to add an extra rest for arms as I don't believe Im recovered enough to hit the bodyparts as soon as Serge suggests, BUT kept the ab work in as I think this will overtrain the abs, thus reducing them down and tightening them up! Gaspari's used daily ab working to reduce his waist by over 2 inches between the 1988 Olympia and his 1989 Arnold Classic March win, so ..... As previously mentioned, Im gonna give it a shot and post whether its working or not in 6 months time - I AM EXPECTING IT TO WORK.

Hiya - Again, I appreciate your comments, BUT tried weighted abs back in the '80's and it did enlarge my abs and obliques!! I Have basically avoided ab work through my 20's and 30's as I have been slowly building through basic routines and a relaxed diet. Although Ive dieted down already from 16st and 37 inch waist to a 32 inch waist at just over 14st I want it back to the 30" which is where it was when I was previously this lean in my twenties at 12st 7. Then I am planning to diet down further! As shown I HAVE adapted the routine to include more days off and changed to add an extra rest for arms as I don't believe Im recovered enough to hit the bodyparts as soon as Serge suggests, BUT kept the ab work in as I think this will overtrain the abs, thus reducing them down and tightening them up! Gaspari's used daily ab working to reduce his waist by over 2 inches between the 1988 Olympia and his 1989 Arnold Classic March win, so ..... As previously mentioned, Im gonna give it a shot and post whether its working or not in 6 months time - I AM EXPECTING IT TO WORK.

Ha ha - so am I .... Here's hoping we retain the title next weekend !!

I have adapted your schedule to try give myself an extra days rest ( normally still very sore after 2 days, so going for 3 day rest ) AND to avoid trying to work my chest the day after training triceps ( when they will be VERY sore ). Does this schedule look Ok to you ??

In bodybuilding, nearly everything are good, but your training here is not mine, so if it did not work, don't say that my training program is not working. One more thing, if in your mind you beleive already that you will be SORE/TIRED for sure that you will be.

In bodybuilding, nearly everything are good, but your training here is not mine, so if it did not work, don't say that my training program is not working. One more thing, if in your mind you beleive already that you will be SORE/TIRED for sure that you will be.

In bodybuilding, nearly everything are good, but your training here is not mine, so if it did not work, don't say that my training program is not working. One more thing, if in your mind you beleive already that you will be SORE/TIRED for sure that you will be.

serge was a great bodybuilder but that doesnt mean you should copy everything he did.

Training abds does not mean to have abds, but to be in good shape, you will never see someone who has very good abds and be sick, but you can have 20 inches arms and be sick. ABDS IS THE BAROMETER OF YOUR BODY.

Hiya - Again, I appreciate your comments, BUT tried weighted abs back in the '80's and it did enlarge my abs and obliques!! I Have basically avoided ab work through my 20's and 30's as I have been slowly building through basic routines and a relaxed diet. Although Ive dieted down already from 16st and 37 inch waist to a 32 inch waist at just over 14st I want it back to the 30" which is where it was when I was previously this lean in my twenties at 12st 7. Then I am planning to diet down further! As shown I HAVE adapted the routine to include more days off and changed to add an extra rest for arms as I don't believe Im recovered enough to hit the bodyparts as soon as Serge suggests, BUT kept the ab work in as I think this will overtrain the abs, thus reducing them down and tightening them up! Gaspari's used daily ab working to reduce his waist by over 2 inches between the 1988 Olympia and his 1989 Arnold Classic March win, so ..... As previously mentioned, Im gonna give it a shot and post whether its working or not in 6 months time - I AM EXPECTING IT TO WORK.

Keep doing your abds, I was myself doing one hour abds every day and every body know about my waist measurment. And as I said that is a sign of good health.

Training abds does not mean to have abds, but to be in good shape, you will never see someone who has very good abds and be sick, but you can have 20 inches arms and be sick. ABDS IS THE BAROMETER OF YOUR BODY.

yes but inside the layer of muscle..thats when it can function as the barometer of your body ;)..not the muscle itself.

also....the above comment you mentioned doesnt change the fact that you dont need to do abs daily to have good abs. what you need is low fat % and to work abs 2 times a week (with weights or without)...but certainly not 100 or 1000 reps daily.

yes but inside the layer of muscle..thats when it can function as the barometer of your body ;)..not the muscle itself.

also....the above comment you mentioned doesnt change the fact that you dont need to do abs daily to have good abs. what you need is low fat % and to work abs 2 times a week (with weights or without)...but certainly not 100 or 1000 reps daily.

maybe if you train for some kind of sport where you need alot of muscle endurance...more reps can be useful.

What i mean when your abds can be seen, you can be 99,99% sure that you are in good shape, and abds can be seen only if you diet properly, which means eat just what you need as calories a day, and if you want to eat more you have to train more. Abds is one way to reach that as it's the only muscle you can train as long you want without domages for size. AND THAT ANSWER TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS : ABDS ARE NOT LIKE ANY OTHER MUSCLE GROUPS.

Slaveboy, please post a picture of yourself showing your abs so that we may compare them to Serge's and better understand how you are qualified to be giving a bodybuilding legend/6 time world champion with 50 years of bodybuilding experience training advice. Your correcting him, winking at him and tone suggest you think you know more than he does, so we would love to see your pictures. You must look incredible. Thank you.

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn100.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn222.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn487.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn119.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn158.jpg)

Hi Made in Montana?...Thank you to defend me specially when this guy is completly wrong.

Slaveboy, please post a picture of yourself showing your abs so that we may compare them to Serge's and better understand how you are qualified to be giving a bodybuilding legend/6 time world champion with 50 years of bodybuilding experience training advice. Your correcting him, winking at him and tone suggest you think you know more than he does, so we would love to see your pictures. You must look incredible. Thank you.

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn100.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn222.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn487.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn119.jpg)

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn158.jpg)

Ha ha, nice one. Most of your posts are great slaveboy but man you must have huge balls to challenge Serge Nubret on Ab training!!! Im on my fourth day only of doing abs every day and they are ALREADY tighter, much more visible and the little amount of fat I have over the top of them does feel softer and looser as if no longer attached to the muscle below!!! Strange but true. ALSO hit chest within 3 days this AM when still sore - Felt the muscle working more, soreness has gone and will return to them again in another 3 days. Many thanks Serge for your great advice. It may be different to todays way of thinking BUT I have no doubts I will get the results Im looking for - How is your training going this year since your long lay off ??

in fairness to slaveboy i don't think he means any disrespect or to irritate.

the fact is, many many people, including marines, boxers, etc do thousands of reps daily and DON'T have a midsection like serge and the contemporary literature on ab training indicates that abs are like any other muscle in the body ie increased intensity = more development and it is impossible to have increased intensity if you are doing thousands of reps every day. let me put it this way, the guy who has the world record for most amount of crunches in 24hrs really DOESN'T have impressive abs.

having said that, it is very hard to argue with proof and when it comes to proof i sincerely believe that serge has the best midsection i've ever seen (well, actually i can think of thousands of people that have more impressive midsections but those people are of the fairer sex and they are more impressive in a different way).

if serge says that he did it that way i would be a fool to doubt him but i don't believe for a second that if anyone simply did exactly what serge did they would have abs like his. maybe if you were born with his genes (mental, physical and spiritual) and lived exactly alike, but as my father used to say, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

my advice to slaveboy: serge is a living legend. that's not even disputable and if you don't believe so, maybe you should have a quick look at just how many people read what he has to say. why don't you start a slaveboy thread and see how it compares. ;) :-[

no offence at all slaveboy. i agree with much of what you have to say and often do, but sometimes it's just better to forget what you've read from the pages of muscle and fitness or flex (which is mostly written by podgy old men with a penchant for avoiding training) and just read, learn and absorb what this great man has to say and then draw your conclusions (albeit in a more appropriate forum).

Made in Montana - your contributions on this board are greatly appreciated as always. what you provide for us here is absolutely pure gold. i know you may get offended sometimes by apparent disrespect but understand that jesus christ himself won't be getting any leadway here on getbig and you'll save yourself some stress. ;)

serge nubret - the one and only. you are all class. when in doubt about how much your time is appreciated here simply look at the views. i can't help thinking that the fact that this thread is not a sticky has more to do with some misguided BROWN NOSING loyalty to weider than anything else.

in fairness to slaveboy i don't think he means any disrespect or to irritate.

the fact is, many many people, including marines, boxers, etc do thousands of reps daily and DON'T have a midsection like serge and the contemporary literature on ab training indicates that abs are like any other muscle in the body ie increased intensity = more development and it is impossible to have increased intensity if you are doing thousands of reps every day. let me put it this way, the guy who has the world record for most amount of crunches in 24hrs really DOESN'T have impressive abs.

having said that, it is very hard to argue with proof and when it comes to proof i sincerely believe that serge has the best midsection i've ever seen (well, actually i can think of thousands of people that have more impressive midsections but those people are of the fairer sex and they are more impressive in a different way).

if serge says that he did it that way i would be a fool to doubt him but i don't believe for a second that if anyone simply did exactly what serge did they would have abs like his. maybe if you were born with his genes (mental, physical and spiritual) and lived exactly alike, but as my father used to say, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

my advice to slaveboy: serge is a living legend. that's not even disputable and if you don't believe so, maybe you should have a quick look at just how many people read what he has to say. why don't you start a slaveboy thread and see how it compares. ;) :-[

no offence at all slaveboy. i agree with much of what you have to say and often do, but sometimes it's just better to forget what you've read from the pages of muscle and fitness or flex (which is mostly written by podgy old men with a penchant for avoiding training) and just read, learn and absorb what this great man has to say and then draw your conclusions (albeit in a more appropriate forum).

Made in Montana - your contributions on this board are greatly appreciated as always. what you provide for us here is absolutely pure gold. i know you may get offended sometimes by apparent disrespect but understand that jesus christ himself won't be getting any leadway here on getbig and you'll save yourself some stress. ;)

serge nubret - the one and only. you are all class. when in doubt about how much your time is appreciated here simply look at the views. i can't help thinking that the fact that this thread is not a sticky has more to do with some misguided BROWN NOSING loyalty to weider than anything else.

god bless you mr nubret.

you have often good posts beast. but dont assume too much about me....

as i think serge is one of the best bodybuilders ever to grace the earth (you should read the whole thread and you will know)

and the things i write about isnt something i read in flex .it has been applied in real life by me and many others.

serge would have had as good abs if he had done abs 2 times a week using cable crunches for example...

once again: there is no need to do 100-1000 situps per day if your a bodybuilder. do 2-3 sets 8-20 (weighted or non weighted) of abs...1-3 times per week. avoid direct oblique work.

mr X (successfull bb) does A+B+C....and got great results. while in reality it was only factor A that gave the good results. B+C are never questioned tho....eventho they were totally unnecessary. so people do a+b+c when in reality all they need to do i A.

many many bodybuilders have got very good abs without even doing direct ab work (because heavy compound exercise work the abs too)do i advice zero ab work?

no..i advice direct ab work...and that you should view abs (almost) as other muscles groups. if abs get to big from weighted ab work..dont increase the weights.

serge was great and i have huge respect for the guy...but everyone and everything should be questioned. if not..pseudo bullshit will rule...

and in bb pseudo bullshit has prevailed for many years (just take a look at the old weider bs...weider principles etc..)

mr X (successfull bb) does A+B+C....and got great results. while in reality it was only factor A that gave the good results. B+C are never questioned tho....eventho they were totally unnecessary. so people do a+b+c when in reality all they need to do i A.

many many bodybuilders have got very good abs without even doing direct ab work (because heavy compound exercise work the abs too)do i advice zero ab work?

no..i advice direct ab work...and that you should view abs (almost) as other muscles groups. if abs get to big from weighted ab work..dont increase the weights.

serge was great and i have huge respect for the guy...but everyone and everything should be questioned. if not..pseudo bullshit will rule...

and in bb pseudo bullshit has prevailed for many years (just take a look at the old weider bs...weider principles etc..)

agreed on assumptions i have made and the prevalence of bullshit in bbing.

having said that, i believe you are also making assumptions about serge.

you say you have seen your methods work. i have no doubt about that, but maybe serge has seen his methods work also, particularly on himself.

to say that serge could have gotten similar results with what would constitute 10 mins training 2wice a week makes a lot of assumptions about the man (not least of which being that he has zero insight on what works for his own body and what doesn't) and, when it comes to the individual you're talking about, that is one very very rich assumption to make.

Ha ha, nice one. Most of your posts are great slaveboy but man you must have huge balls to challenge Serge Nubret on Ab training!!! Im on my fourth day only of doing abs every day and they are ALREADY tighter, much more visible and the little amount of fat I have over the top of them does feel softer and looser as if no longer attached to the muscle below!!! Strange but true. ALSO hit chest within 3 days this AM when still sore - Felt the muscle working more, soreness has gone and will return to them again in another 3 days. Many thanks Serge for your great advice. It may be different to todays way of thinking BUT I have no doubts I will get the results Im looking for - How is your training going this year since your long lay off ??

Everything is Ok i start to train hard again, i have already reached 52 cm arms, soon i hope 54, still about 10 kg of fat to loose, but for spring everything will be perfect, i am going to Italy for a long TOUR.

in fairness to slaveboy i don't think he means any disrespect or to irritate.

the fact is, many many people, including marines, boxers, etc do thousands of reps daily and DON'T have a midsection like serge and the contemporary literature on ab training indicates that abs are like any other muscle in the body ie increased intensity = more development and it is impossible to have increased intensity if you are doing thousands of reps every day. let me put it this way, the guy who has the world record for most amount of crunches in 24hrs really DOESN'T have impressive abs.

having said that, it is very hard to argue with proof and when it comes to proof i sincerely believe that serge has the best midsection i've ever seen (well, actually i can think of thousands of people that have more impressive midsections but those people are of the fairer sex and they are more impressive in a different way).

if serge says that he did it that way i would be a fool to doubt him but i don't believe for a second that if anyone simply did exactly what serge did they would have abs like his. maybe if you were born with his genes (mental, physical and spiritual) and lived exactly alike, but as my father used to say, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

my advice to slaveboy: serge is a living legend. that's not even disputable and if you don't believe so, maybe you should have a quick look at just how many people read what he has to say. why don't you start a slaveboy thread and see how it compares. ;) :-[

no offence at all slaveboy. i agree with much of what you have to say and often do, but sometimes it's just better to forget what you've read from the pages of muscle and fitness or flex (which is mostly written by podgy old men with a penchant for avoiding training) and just read, learn and absorb what this great man has to say and then draw your conclusions (albeit in a more appropriate forum).

Made in Montana - your contributions on this board are greatly appreciated as always. what you provide for us here is absolutely pure gold. i know you may get offended sometimes by apparent disrespect but understand that jesus christ himself won't be getting any leadway here on getbig and you'll save yourself some stress. ;)

serge nubret - the one and only. you are all class. when in doubt about how much your time is appreciated here simply look at the views. i can't help thinking that the fact that this thread is not a sticky has more to do with some misguided BROWN NOSING loyalty to weider than anything else.

god bless you mr nubret.

Thank you BEAST, for everything you said here, I was with Made in Montana on the phone this morning, and I told her after i read what she posted earlier, i just told her what you just said to her here, i need to have people who want to chalenge me, if not this thread won't be interesting.

mr X (successfull bb) does A+B+C....and got great results. while in reality it was only factor A that gave the good results. B+C are never questioned tho....eventho they were totally unnecessary. so people do a+b+c when in reality all they need to do i A.

many many bodybuilders have got very good abs without even doing direct ab work (because heavy compound exercise work the abs too)do i advice zero ab work?

no..i advice direct ab work...and that you should view abs (almost) as other muscles groups. if abs get to big from weighted ab work..dont increase the weights.

serge was great and i have huge respect for the guy...but everyone and everything should be questioned. if not..pseudo bullshit will rule...

and in bb pseudo bullshit has prevailed for many years (just take a look at the old weider bs...weider principles etc..)

Slaveboy i think that you did not read my answer, I never told you that i do 2000 situps to have abds, i told you i do that to be in good health and be able to eat what want, without dieting, it's why I am still there after 50 years of training. I told you too that abds is not exactly like others muscles, because if you work any other muscle for hours and hours you will not have results, but with abds yes.

Everything is Ok i start to train hard again, i have already reached 52 cm arms, soon i hope 54, still about 10 kg of fat to loose, but for spring everything will be perfect, i am going to Italy for a long TOUR.

Thank you Serge...and Beast, I appreciate what you wrote. When I talk to Serge about training advice he gives others, we talk about the forums. I mentioned that some here (not you Beast because you show respect, but a few others at times) do not seem to realize Serge's well-built physique was 6 times World Champion, has won many other medals, trophies, titles and awards, has been on magazines, newspapers, posters, flyers, billboards, videos and movie screens years before they were even born. They give him training advice talking down to him as if his 50 years of experience isn't enough--even though they are afraid to post a single picture of themselves so that we can compare training results. (http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn322.jpg)Serge told me he didn't mind if someone challenged his advice because it gets people thinking about training anyway. I don't mind either, but I consider HOW it is done and think it would be more effective to say, "Here's what I do and here's the results I get" and show a picture, then tell a legend that he's wrong when Serge has proof with his photos. That's just my opinion.

Someone had asked me if this was the 1971 Mr. Olympia contest or the Mr. Universe contest that you organized here, Serge, when you gave Arnold the trophy. I could respond, but because he reads this thread I would like you to if you would please because I think some others may find it interesting.

(http://www.ifbb.com/history/images/congress1971_7.jpg)

The reason Serge is here is to pass the baton...to you guys. His vision of balance, symmetry and artistic beauty are part of the total vision. Thank you to those who post respectfully. Serge Nubret is a bodybuilding legend and deserves the same consideration in return for what he shows to everyone here.

i can only speak for myself, but i have in no way been disrespectful to serge.., you dont seem to know what the word respect means made in montana? (im sure the same can be claimed of me...guess i have another definition of the word) Like i said many times i have huge respect for serge, but i dont believe in everything he says just because he is mr nubret. It is very dangerous when respect turns into hero worship and to not critically evaluating information regardless where it comes from.

If you cant take being questioned, do not post on here or online. (i very much hope serge will continue posting on here tho!)

As for serges training routine etc : i think serge poured water into an empty glass and continued pouring water in the glass when it was full...in other words, what serge did worked for him, but he did alot of unnecessary things (kept pouring water in the full glass). This is not uncommon for someone who loves his sport as much as serge does..he loved training so i understand him. But the reason its important to point out that he did too much is because so the guys who arent as genetically gifted as serge, or use drugs like he did, or cant train several hours per day realize this is not needed to build an impressive physique, in fact its not the most efficient method.

many roads lead to rome, some are better than others and some only open for the genetically gifted and/or aas users.

the natural road must be more efficient or you will never reach rome, for surely its longer.

Thank you Serge...and Beast, I appreciate what you wrote. When I talk to Serge about training advice he gives others, we talk about the forums. I mentioned that some here (not you Beast because you show respect, but a few others at times) do not seem to realize Serge's well-built physique was 6 times World Champion, has won many other medals, trophies, titles and awards, has been on magazines, newspapers, posters, flyers, billboards, videos and movie screens years before they were even born. They give him training advice talking down to him as if his 50 years of experience isn't enough--even though they are afraid to post a single picture of themselves so that we can compare training results. (http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn322.jpg)Serge told me he didn't mind if someone challenged his advice because it gets people thinking about training anyway. I don't mind either, but I consider HOW it is done and think it would be more effective to say, "Here's what I do and here's the results I get" and show a picture, then tell a legend that he's wrong when Serge has proof with his photos. That's just my opinion.

Someone had asked me if this was the 1971 Mr. Olympia contest or the Mr. Universe contest that you organized here, Serge, when you gave Arnold the trophy. I could respond, but because he reads this thread I would like you to if you would please because I think some others may find it interesting.

(http://www.ifbb.com/history/images/congress1971_7.jpg)

The reason Serge is here is to pass the baton...to you guys. His vision of balance, symmetry and artistic beauty are part of the total vision. Thank you to those who post respectfully. Serge Nubret is a bodybuilding legend and deserves the same consideration in return for what he shows to everyone here.

Thank you A....Oups!... Made in Montana, I was going to call you by your real name.

Yes this photo with Arnold was in Paris in 1971 when I was the organizer of the IFBB Mr.Universe and Mr.Olympia, which Arnold won easilly, because Sergio could not compete as he competed one week before in the NABBA Mr.Universe in London, so he was suspended from the IFBB, but as i put his pucture on the contest's poster, I asked him to guest pose, first he did not want, because he did not know me, it was the first time we met, it was in London during this NABBA Mr.Universe, where Bill Pearl beat him, so it is why he did not want to guest pose, he was so desapointed, and I did undestood that, but as I want to please the french spectators, I found a way to oblige him to come to Paris, but that's another story, that maybe I will tell one day.

Ben Weider who is the IFBB president did not want that Sergio guest pose, told me / SERGIO CANNOT GUEST POSE BECAUSE HE IS SUSPENDED FROM THE FEDERATION, But one month before he asked me the same favor for Arnold. So after about 15 minutes discusion, i had to tell weider : IF SERGIO CANNOT GUEST POSE, I WILL CANCEL THE CONTEST AND GIVE EVERY BODY BACK THEIR TICKET MONEY. So that the way Sergio finally guest posed, untill know I never told Sergio about that. All those story will be in my AUTOBIOGRAPHY BOOK. And more.Weider Asked to give Joe the price money, for him to give Arnold on stage, I refused, because that was my own money, and I did not want that people think that Weider gave the price money from his pocket, as he always let people think. Specially when he refused to sponsor the show.

I noticed..I want to gain muscle during a 9 month offseason...and I wanted to try to train using your methods . I do not know where to start or what to do ....the only thing I decided on is to try and everymorning when I wake up I'll try doing slowly up to 1 hour or situps. Even those I do not know if u do them like cruches ( short ) of sit ups (long ) . I will show u a picture or 2 just so u know what I look like...this is me at 82 kg , 1'80" ...right now I HAVE 91 kg with some fat .

You will find my methode some where in this thread, maybe someone here can tell you which page to find it. Follow it exactly, and I guaranty you results. By the ways why you want to look like you look on the last picture, you must gain muscle and not fat, you will be able to do that with my methode.

You will find my methode some where in this thread, maybe someone here can tell you which page to find it. Follow it exactly, and I guaranty you results. By the ways why you want to look like you look on the last picture, you must gain muscle and not fat, you will be able to do that with my methode.

Slave, where are your pictures? We're still waiting to compare your abs to Serge's. Your response to a request for proof of your theories: "if you cant take being questioned, do not post on here or online." I don't mind anyone having an opinion. If you don't like when I comment about HOW something is said, maybe you should consider that when you post.

Re: your definition of respect--you post in the history forum repeatedly that Steve Reeves was an "insecure narcissistic drug user" (and more)--all of it untrue. You never even met him, so you lose credibility running him down. Steve was natural, generous, considerate, won every bodybuilding title that existed when he competed, was the biggest box office movie star/highest paid actor in the world in 1959, so you are ridiculous to write dishonest, rude and disrespectful things about people you don't know.

"Hero worship" and "critically evaluating information" are not mutually exclusive. It's possible to be respectful while asking questions. If you think you have a better way, then step up to the plate and prove it to us by showing pictures. If you look better than Serge, we would love to see it.

What?....He critized Steve REEVE?...no way, for me Steve was and will stay the one and the only one in the bodybuilding world. I started bodybuilding because of Steve when I saw some movie of him. This guy was perfect, and i had the privilage to know him very well, he came to Paris invited by me. When went to Spain, Italy, Belgium together and a few year later i came to visit me in my country GUADELOUPE. So just to tell here that Steve was an example for millions young kids, no one in the world brought more people to this sport that Steve, even not Arnold.

Exactly ...however I guess I'm more interested in the diet you'd recommend also in training...

Page 8 for the Training Routine. Do NOT be pre-conditioned before you try it. Ive just completed my first week of it as listed ( some exercises different and fewer sets at the moment - basically 30mins per bodypart working FAST ) and after 23 years of training It has really fired me up. Training whilst still sore has helped me feel the muscles more and I already look fuller and tighter - seriously. The daily ab training for the last 6 days has taken an inch off my waste already and my abs are smaller, harder and more defined ( and thats after dropping ALL aerobic exercise too!! ). GO FOR IT

Slave, where are your pictures? We're still waiting to compare your abs to Serge's. Your response to a request for proof of your theories: "if you cant take being questioned, do not post on here or online." I don't mind anyone having an opinion. If you don't like when I comment about HOW something is said, maybe you should consider that when you post.

Re: your definition of respect--you post in the history forum repeatedly that Steve Reeves was an "insecure narcissistic drug user" (and more)--all of it untrue. You never even met him, so you lose credibility running him down. Steve was natural, generous, considerate, won every bodybuilding title that existed when he competed, was the biggest box office movie star/highest paid actor in the world in 1959, so you are ridiculous to write dishonest, rude and disrespectful things about people you don't know.

"Hero worship" and "critically evaluating information" are not mutually exclusive. It's possible to be respectful while asking questions. If you think you have a better way, then step up to the plate and prove it to us by showing pictures. If you look better than Serge, we would love to see it.

epic trying to avoid what i was discussing.

my physique doesnt have anything to do with serges excessive ab routine recommendations. but yes i have a good physique but obviously not on serges level. at the same time, i havent used steroids, which serge did. are you saying you have to be as good as serge to criticize some of his recommendations? ;D

i wasnt discussing mr reeves in this thread, i was dicussing serges ab routine.

as for hero worship...yes often it excludes critical thinking. need proof? read your own posts. ;D

Thank you A....Oups!... Made in Montana, I was going to call you by your real name.

Yes this photo with Arnold was in Paris in 1971 when I was the organizer of the IFBB Mr.Universe and Mr.Olympia, which Arnold won easilly, because Sergio could not compete as he competed one week before in the NABBA Mr.Universe in London, so he was suspended from the IFBB, but as i put his pucture on the contest's poster, I asked him to guest pose, first he did not want, because he did not know me, it was the first time we met, it was in London during this NABBA Mr.Universe, where Bill Pearl beat him, so it is why he did not want to guest pose, he was so desapointed, and I did undestood that, but as I want to please the french spectators, I found a way to oblige him to come to Paris, but that's another story, that maybe I will tell one day.

Ben Weider who is the IFBB president did not want that Sergio guest pose, told me / SERGIO CANNOT GUEST POSE BECAUSE HE IS SUSPENDED FROM THE FEDERATION, But one month before he asked me the same favor for Arnold. So after about 15 minutes discusion, i had to tell weider : IF SERGIO CANNOT GUEST POSE, I WILL CANCEL THE CONTEST AND GIVE EVERY BODY BACK THEIR TICKET MONEY. So that the way Sergio finally guest posed, untill know I never told Sergio about that. All those story will be in my AUTOBIOGRAPHY BOOK. And more.Weider Asked to give Joe the price money, for him to give Arnold on stage, I refused, because that was my own money, and I did not want that people think that Weider gave the price money from his pocket, as he always let people think. Specially when he refused to sponsor the show.

my physique doesnt have anything to do with serges excessive ab routine recommendations. but yes i have a good physique but obviously not on serges level. at the same time, i havent used steroids, which serge did. are you saying you have to be as good as serge to criticize some of his recommendations? ;D

i wasnt discussing mr reeves in this thread, i was dicussing serges ab routine.

as for hero worship...yes often it excludes critical thinking. need proof? read your own posts. ;D

What are you talking about?...Every body knows that you used dteroids, why you don't tell the true?....

on a serious note, something has been bugging me about your nutritional intake serge.

how on earth did you eat 11lbs of red meat in one sitting ???

even fasting through the day like you did, this would have been very hard to do, surely. your stomach capacity must have been huge.

it's kind of ironic really because many have theorised as to exactly what is the cause of the bloated abdominal walls of the contemporary pro bber and some have seriously suggested that it is because of the overeating of food in the offseason. you had one of the smallest midsections. what's your thoughts on the matter?

on a serious note, something has been bugging me about your nutritional intake serge.

how on earth did you eat 11lbs of red meat in one sitting ???

even fasting through the day like you did, this would have been very hard to do, surely. your stomach capacity must have been huge.

it's kind of ironic really because many have theorised as to exactly what is the cause of the bloated abdominal walls of the contemporary pro bber and some have seriously suggested that it is because of the overeating of food in the offseason. you had one of the smallest midsections. what's your thoughts on the matter?

What's KNS?...

First I said that I eat 3 to 5kg of meat a day, so why you only mention the 5kg. Who said that i eat it in one meal, Do you know about soup made of chicken put into the blender, with water, spices, salt?...and drink it instead to eat. Some time I eat 3kg and some time 5kg, depend how was my training. One day I weigh myself before eating and after, the difference was about 13 pounds in one meal, but that's true it was exceptional.

First I said that I eat 3 to 5kg of meat a day, so why you only mention the 5kg. Who said that i eat it in one meal, Do you know about soup made of chicken put into the blender, with water, spices, salt?...and drink it instead to eat. Some time I eat 3kg and some time 5kg, depend how was my training. One day I weigh myself before eating and after, the difference was about 13 pounds in one meal, but that's true it was exceptional.

Mon Dieu, Serge, you are strong, humble...and generous. I know Steve admired your physique and appreciated your friendship as much as you did his. If it was not for Steve, I wouldn't be here either...for many reasons. If it weren't for you, I wouldn't be involved in bodybuilding now other than for exercise for personal health and sharing your guys' pictures with family and friends. You have changed my life and I have learned so much from you I can't even tell you. Thank you for what you write. It's priceless.

Steve has made an impact on so many people worldwide with his films. Hercules was top box office in the U.S., Europe, Japan, Asia and even in countries like Calcutta, India where it played 4 times a day, 364 days a year for 2 years. I receive emails today from Europeans to tell me about Steve Reeves Film festivals where they spend a week or weekend playing many of his 16 films and showing his bodybuilding pictures. I don't know if he realized the kind of impact he had and I think you share that characteristic with him too. Serge, you affect so many people...more than you will ever know. You are 6 times Bodybuilding World Champion with 13 bodybuilding titles, a famous film actor in 25 films. Articles have been written comparing you to Sidney Poitier...and you seem to forget that you are a legend famous in many genres of life. I know there was a Mr. Olympia who upon first meeting you bowed down at your feet speechless. You are the reason and role model for many bodybuilders and I have seen people stare in awe with incredulous when looking at your pictures...me included. There are so many people in the United States who aren't even bodybuilders who are your fans. There's a band down south of skinny white guys named the "Serge Nubret band." lol. A lot of people who don't even train are fans of your physique...it's a piece of artwork...truly amazing.

Steve was a pioneer, my first impression and a strong influence for me in many ways, but to me, Serge, you are the greatest bodybuilder in the world of all time because no one has done it longer, more passionately, with more dedication and obsession and spent more time in the gym training and training others. And you have done so with humility, patience and love for training and the people you train. There are others who have loved bodybuilding and been good at it, I take no credit away from others who also should be noted, but you stand apart from the others as a bodybuilder 365 days a year every year your whole life from when you first started training...over 50 years ago.

When I saw you with your shirt off last week looking better than guys in their 20s, I can only say that the world is going to understand the power of bodybuilding when they see Serge Nubret at age 70 with a drug free, amazingly sculpted, strong healthy physique. I know it inspires me and will inspire people of every age.

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Oh!....My was speechless when i went through what you wrote about me. Tha's just too much. That's is true that i love bodybuilding a lot, my wives used to say my first wife is bodybuilding, maybe that's true, hope the day will come when I will find one who love this sport as i do.

Your physique doesn't have anything to do with any ab routine recommendations because you are afraid to show it. You cannot back up your theories or justify your attitude of superiority. You try to appear clever trying to own Serge on his thread, but you appear obnoxious and rude instead.

It doesn't matter where you post slander against Steve Reeves, it's bad on any page and doesn't change that you're the source of it no matter where you put it. When I post pictures and information, some people thank me because some of them are family photos that won't be seen in magazines. Only you call it hero worshipping that lacks critical thinking. You're only response is to be a smart mouth and tell me to leave.

The point was about being respectful. You didn't get it, Slaveboy...that's why you are a slave and always will be one...unless you change your attitude. It's up to you. If you're gonna be a pain in the a$$, you could at least be funny.

also its obvious you intentionally misread every post I make, im not calling your posting of rare pics hero worship, im calling your uncritical thinking regarding anything that has to do with your ironage heroes for hero worship.

as for my physique..: many many guys have gotten amazing ab development without doing 1000reps of situps (pointless for a bodybuilder). and just working abs 1-3 times a week with limited amounts of sets is enough.

so you have serge with great abs doing 1000s of situps and you have lots of other guys with great abs doing far less ab work.

if you look at these three ab dimensions you will realize that ab mass is the only one you can directly change with ab training

(because low fat % should come from caloric restriction and doing reg cardio..not situp cardio which is highly inefficient......and the abs genetic structure is something that you are born with, unless your looking to widen your obliques..which no bb wants)

Hey Serge,Make your physique posters with those designs that your daughter has added her artistic sense to. These will sell well. The one with you as the sculptor is outstanding. I like her work on the one she sit beside the computer also.

Hey Serge,Make your physique posters with those designs that your daughter has added her artistic sense to. These will sell well. The one with you as the sculptor is outstanding. I like her work on the one she sit beside the computer also.

She is a very artist she has already EXPOSED in New-York, Germany, England of course Paris. Please go on her website there is hundreds of pieces his website is :

also its obvious you intentionally misread every post I make, im not calling your posting of rare pics hero worship, im calling your uncritical thinking regarding anything that has to do with your ironage heroes for hero worship.

as for my physique..: many many guys have gotten amazing ab development without doing 1000reps of situps (pointless for a bodybuilder). and just working abs 1-3 times a week with limited amounts of sets is enough.

so you have serge with great abs doing 1000s of situps and you have lots of other guys with great abs doing far less ab work.

if you look at these three ab dimensions you will realize that ab mass is the only one you can directly change with ab training

(because low fat % should come from caloric restriction and doing reg cardio..not situp cardio which is highly inefficient......and the abs genetic structure is something that you are born with, unless your looking to widen your obliques..which no bb wants)

you do it by progressively increasing weight using 20 (in general...certainly not 1000reps) or less reps per set. and if you dont wanna add more mass you dont increase the weights.

conclusion: doing 1000s of reps of situps hasnt anything to do with ab mass (the only ab dimension you can affect by weight training, as weight training is not an efficient cardio method)

Adding Ab mass - Who wants to do that. Admittedly the volumes Serge does for his abs every day is amazing and beyond most of us, BUT daily ab training does tighten and harden these muscles and reduce the waist. Ive been doing daily abs for just 2 weeks ( basically half and hours worth only non-stop ) and Ive lost an inch off my waist and my waist is more defined than every before. IF you wanna add ab mass then Im sure your methods ARE the best, but most bodybuilders don'twant to do that.

Adding Ab mass - Who wants to do that. Admittedly the volumes Serge does for his abs every day is amazing and beyond most of us, BUT daily ab training does tighten and harden these muscles and reduce the waist. Ive been doing daily abs for just 2 weeks ( basically half and hours worth only non-stop ) and Ive lost an inch off my waist and my waist is more defined than every before. IF you wanna add ab mass then Im sure your methods ARE the best, but most bodybuilders don'twant to do that.

like i tried to explain..what the fuck else is there? as you cant really shape your ab muscles...(sure you can make obliques wider..but no bb should do direct oblique training)just make em bigger.if you dont wanna make em bigger dont increase weights. but you sure as hell dont have to do 100s of situps non stop

Compare Lou's abs here (which look great, but are nothing compared) to Serge's (incidentally, Lou asked Serge after the 1975 O here to train him, but he got the part in the "Incredible Hulk" and left to go film it:

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that the pic u posted right there isnt a good comparison at all. simply put, one guy is flexing his abs, the other is lengthening them. there really is no debate, as the pic speaks for itself.

get lou in the same abs-flexed position as serge, and u have a better comparison.

"Made in Montana" is completely correct. Proof of the pudding..... No bodybuilder on here can argue against Serge's methods as he and the guys he has trained all show the amazing results. I "adapted" Serge's routine - He told me not to and nearly a month on Im 3 pounds heavier, a lot leaner WITHOUT any aerobics and I need to drop down to 32" waist trousers but I can't find any I can get my (now larger) legs into!!!! Im sticking with Serge's routine and advise everyone to at least give it a go before questioning negatively....

Compare Lou's abs here (which look great, but are nothing compared) to Serge's (incidentally, Lou asked Serge after the 1975 O here to train him, but he got the part in the "Incredible Hulk" and left to go film it:

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn487.jpg)

that the pic u posted right there isnt a good comparison at all. simply put, one guy is flexing his abs, the other is lengthening them. there really is no debate, as the pic speaks for itself.

get lou in the same abs-flexed position as serge, and u have a better comparison.

Thank you Made in Montana for those pics. Lionel is getting ready for the Mr.Universe contest which will take place in Spain in one month. This contest last Saturday was the qualified to be able to compete. He still have 4-5 kg of fat to loose.

Gone Away, you are silly and impatient getting irritated telling me I'm blind because I don't respond to your post within the hour and then repeating yourself again when your post was ridiculous the first time. I did not say Lou didn't look good. He looked great at the 75 O...but it was Lou who asked Serge to train him--not the other way around. There is a reason for that. Go ask Lou. He will tell you as much.

Why act postal defending someone who came in third behind Serge by barking at me to come up with pictures to defend your claim that Lou looked better than he did in the picture (repeating "get lou in the same abs-flexed position as serge, and u have a better comparison"). Get off your candy ass and come in with pictures yourself. I don't get pissed off when people don't show up with pictures to illustrate my point. That's lazy, unreasonable and inconsiderate on your part. Do the work yourself.

Anyway...my point is simply that Serge has nice abs...and a nice chest too, for that matter. If you want to have a tizzy fit on Serge's thread and disagree with that, go right ahead...and look the fool in front of a bb legend and everyone else. You're being rude and need to take the log out of your own eye if you can't see that Serge has nice abs and feel like ripping down people who want to notice and comment about that on his thread.

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This is Serge 2 weeks before the 1975 O...he looked awesome. (http://mywebpage.netscape.com/IronGameLegendsF/Oly75.jpg)

thanks for further illustrating my point about seeing things through rose colored glasses.

i never said serge didnt have nice abs and i never said lou was better than serge. what i did say was that ur comparison of abs was unfair to lou because one guy is flexing his abs, the other is lengthening them. to say that serge has better abs than lou, judged on that picture alone, is ludicris. i take it u dont know much about bbing posing? if i can find a good comparison shot, i will post it. but i sure wont post shots that are unfair to one competitor, like u did.

Slave, where's your picture? C'mon...c'mon...c'mon...Epic use of the word epic...Your post is overall less irritating...but still needs correction... I share pictures/stories about Steve Reeves and Serge only. I don't speak for other ironage bodybuilders I do not know, but I knew Steve better than anyone on this board and do not err when I speak of him. You never even met him, so your OVERcritical thinking calling Steve Reeves an insecure, narcissistic drug user is out of line.

Re: ab training and situps...I agree with you that a person can have nice abs doing it your way. But nice abs are not in the same caliber/resemble Serge's abs. Your advice is not entirely incorrect, but the difference in the abs you describe from what Serge is talking about is evident in pictures. Compare Lou's abs here (which look great, but are nothing compared) to Serge's (incidentally, Lou asked Serge after the 1975 O here to train him, but he got the part in the "Incredible Hulk" and left to go film it:

(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/nubret/sn487.jpg)

(http://mywebpage.netscape.com/IronGameLegendsF/Oly75.jpg)

Serge isn't the only one who gets results doing it Serge's way. The guys Serge trains look very similiar to Serge...as shown by Lionel #7 here...who incidentally won a competition in France yesterday. This picture is from earlier this year, but I'll post recent pictures soon to illustrate that training methods do make a difference.

comparing lous abs with serge abs doesnt prove anything else that serge has genetically a very good ab structure and well developed abs. besides that pic is a poor comparison ...(lou is not contracting abs)..

no one is disputing that serge was a great bodybuilder with great abs...

my advice not "enterily incorrect" lol....: they are totally correct. its not even really debatable.

"my way" builds nice abs and serge way build serge caliber abs? ;D....are you kidding me? its that kind of thinking that has confused many young guys who workout and read the "stars" routines. its very very dangerous when pseudo bullshit is spread to the masses and the real factors are not discussed.

and what i proposed is not "my way"....its the right way..if you know anything about human physiology..abs should be basically trained as other muscles groups.serge would have has as good abs with only a fraction of the amount of ab training he has done. he would have saved alot of unnecessary effort if he had done some cable crunches instead (with resistance) of hours of cardio ab training.

so once again your spreading pseudo bullshit.

actually im not debating this against you..(as i already know im right)....im just hoping that people who read this thread use their own minds and dont believe in everything serge says just because he is a great bodybuilder.

serge knows alot about bodybuilding, but doing 100s of situps is totally unnecessary for a bodybuilder.

"Made in Montana" is completely correct. Proof of the pudding..... No bodybuilder on here can argue against Serge's methods as he and the guys he has trained all show the amazing results. I "adapted" Serge's routine - He told me not to and nearly a month on Im 3 pounds heavier, a lot leaner WITHOUT any aerobics and I need to drop down to 32" waist trousers but I can't find any I can get my (now larger) legs into!!!! Im sticking with Serge's routine and advise everyone to at least give it a go before questioning negatively....

i was primarily discussing serges almost moronic ab workout recommendations.

as for serges workout routine:...many many routines work..if they focus on progressively increasing weights/reps/sets etc....

does serges training routine work? im sure it can...(as its not as faulty as his ab recommendations)

many roads lead to rome..some are better than others.

that being said i think most people will benefit more from a routine with lower volume than serge recommends and using heavier weights. (no im not talking about doing endless workouts with only 2-3 reps nor am i talking about doing HIT workouts)

in the end training has to be fun..if its not fun..not even the most "optimal" training routine will give you good results in the long run.

Serge-I see that your trunks were different color(blue) in that pic in 75 OlympiaI assume that was prejudging?Do you feel that your condition 2 weeks prior to 75 O was even better than your previous best in 1972 Essen Olympia?

Go Away, no one needs your permission to post a picture of Serge on his thread; nor do they need your approval to make a comment that his abs look good in it (whether standing alone or next to someone). You repeat yourself whining because you can't find a picture to back your opinion and get irritated that no one else does it for you. That's ridiculous.

Solution: Go on Lou's thread and talk about his training with him there, ask him to email you pictures that illustrate your point, and then rag on anyone who posts a picture of him or anyone else without asking you if it's o.k. first. Serge reads your posts on his thread meant for him and all he sees is someone repeating himself whining and ripping down people for putting up pictures of him on his thread. Thanks for your appreciation for his time. That he would come here to help and this is the best that you can come up with...amazing. Hope this helps.

are u for real? did u even read a word of my post? come on 'made in montana', u may be a relative of steve reeves, u may be a personal friend of mr. nubret, but the blatant lies ur making up (to make me look bad, which is failing), and the blatant bias towards serge is very much like a typical idiot fan. if u r a real fan of physique competition, and not just a schmoe to serge, u would of realised my ONLY point by now and admitted u were wrong. but it is clear that u wont, so i wont bother with u anymore. uve shown u r bias towards mr. nubret, and that is enough for me not to give a shit what u have to say, because anyone who is bias will not see things the way they truly are in the light of day.

i was primarily discussing serges almost moronic ab workout recommendations.

as for serges workout routine:...many many routines work..if they focus on progressively increasing weights/reps/sets etc....

does serges training routine work? im sure it can...(as its not as faulty as his ab recommendations)

many roads lead to rome..some are better than others.

that being said i think most people will benefit more from a routine with lower volume than serge recommends and using heavier weights. (no im not talking about doing endless workouts with only 2-3 reps nor am i talking about doing HIT workouts)

in the end training has to be fun..if its not fun..not even the most "optimal" training routine will give you good results in the long run.

good luck with your training.

Hi. You hit the nail on the head with training has to be fun and Im enjoying the fact that Im training more regularly and with less weight through this style. Agreed, each to their own and I'll continue as discussed.

EVERYBODY - Lets keep this thread positive.

Serge - Please could you posts a "Typical" days/weeks eating as I know you are still 10kg away from top shape. Many thanks.

are u for real? did u even read a word of my post? come on 'made in montana', u may be a relative of steve reeves, u may be a personal friend of mr. nubret, but the blatant lies ur making up (to make me look bad, which is failing), and the blatant bias towards serge is very much like a typical idiot fan. if u r a real fan of physique competition, and not just a schmoe to serge, u would of realised my ONLY point by now and admitted u were wrong. but it is clear that u wont, so i wont bother with u anymore. uve shown u r bias towards mr. nubret, and that is enough for me not to give a shit what u have to say, because anyone who is bias will not see things the way they truly are in the light of day.

hope this helps... because u need it. :)

with all due respect Made in Montana, and i do respect you for your quality input re reeves and nubret, GoneAway has a good point.

i would certainly agree with you that the best ferrigno doesn't even compare to nubret in the midsection dept., but the point was made that your pic illustrating your point was somewhat unfair due to the aforementioned reasons.

i agree that this is a thread about serge and those posting on it should be respectful, but when assertions are made one way or another re nubret's superiority over othe pro bbers, you should expect a counter post or 2, especially when what you're offering is somewhat biased.

I have a question about the arm training. It says to do supersets with biceps and triceps for 16 sets. Does that mean each bodypart would get counted as its own set, totaling 8 sets each or does it mean do biceps and triceps and one superset is a set?

Serge-I see that your trunks were different color(blue) in that pic in 75 OlympiaI assume that was prejudging?Do you feel that your condition 2 weeks prior to 75 O was even better than your previous best in 1972 Essen Olympia?

Hi. You hit the nail on the head with training has to be fun and Im enjoying the fact that Im training more regularly and with less weight through this style. Agreed, each to their own and I'll continue as discussed.

EVERYBODY - Lets keep this thread positive.

Serge - Please could you posts a "Typical" days/weeks eating as I know you are still 10kg away from top shape. Many thanks.

Hi TREV

I try to stay out of this, first because this discusion does not go any way. I posted already about my training program and my diet program too. About my training program, I just listen to my body, and my body always told me what to do, when to do it, because I think that body if you know how to listen to it, is more cleaver than scientist, what we call "INSTINCT". I do two things that I love, I love to eat, and I love to train. Two things which go perfectly together. I prefer to do 2000 situps for example and go home and eat what I want, don't need to diet like a creasy man, some pieces of dry chicken without sauce, with a bowl of rice without sauce either. I am a human before to be a bodybuilder,I love and enjoy life, it's why maybe I am still there in good shape. I prefer to train 3 or 4 hours too, instead of 45 mn for the same reason.

I am not stupid, I know I could have maybe the same result with only 1/3 of the time i am spending, sets, reps, but the price to pay, for me is too high. I am not a chicken of today made in some chicken factory, which they can eat in only 3 months of life, but a chicken of the farm, of those old days which it took time to make, this last one is more tasty, good health, which you fell secure to eat.

Just to tell you that my training did not change a lot from what I used to do. I just try to loose 2kg of fat every month and get back 2kg of muscle in the same time. No diet, eat enough protein to get back those muscles, not too much carb to loose the extra fat, so in 5 months every things should be in place. TREVOR, I want to be a 365 days bodybuilder, without dieting, and not 1 week one, "ONLY FOR A SHOW" IT'S WHY I STILL DO A MAX OF ABOMINAL, because it's the only muscle you can train without burning the muscle. And I hate aerobic exercices, I know that those are god for the heart, but as my training is already a kind of aerobic, so it's perfect.

Hoping that this post will stop the discission about my training methode, and explain why I am training in this way. But only people how love bodybuilding can use it. You can paint a all building in a fews hours or days, but it will take you months to paint the "JOCODE" or the "LAST DINNER" of "DA VINCI" two are art and the other one is just painting.

I have a question about the arm training. It says to do supersets with biceps and triceps for 16 sets. Does that mean each bodypart would get counted as its own set, totaling 8 sets each or does it mean do biceps and triceps and one superset is a set?

BEAST 8692 hit the nail on the head. at least one person understood my point. :)

Made in Montana, i wont force my point on u anymore, as history speaks for itself. but we can both agree that serge has a beautiful body, aesthetic and powerful at the same time. i am a fan of serge, incase u thought otherwise. i am just a fan of bbing in general. the 70's were a great time for the sport.

Now...if someone wants to say Lou should have won, or Serge should have won or that Arnold is in their opinion the rightful winner...it's fine because each guy here might have a different idol and think to himself "I want to look like this guy or that guy."The only thing that's important in the end is sportsmanship...people can decide their own winner for themselves...and it might be different for everyone. It's o.k.(http://www.builtreport.com/pumping_iron_gallery09/pumping_iron_066.jpg)

I try to stay out of this, first because this discusion does not go any way. I posted already about my training program and my diet program too. About my training program, I just listen to my body, and my body always told me what to do, when to do it, because I think that body if you know how to listen to it, is more cleaver than scientist, what we call "INSTINCT". I do two things that I love, I love to eat, and I love to train. Two things which go perfectly together. I prefer to do 2000 situps for example and go home and eat what I want, don't need to diet like a creasy mam, some pieces of dry chicken without sauce, with a bowl of rice without sauce either. I am a human before to be a bodybuilder, it's why maybe I am still there in good shape. I prefer to train 3 or For hours too instead of 45 mn for the same reason.I am not stupid, I know I could have maybe the same result with only 1/3 of the time, sets, reps, but the price to pay, for me is too high. I am not a chicken of today, which they can eat in only 3 month of life, but a chicken of those old days which it took time to make, this last one is more tasty, good helth, which you fell secure to it.Just to tell you that my training did not change a lot from what I used to do. I just try to loose 2kg of fat every month and get back 2kg of muscle in the same time. No diet, eat enough protein to get back those muscle, not too much carb to loose the extra fat, so in 5 months every thing should be in place. TREVOR, I want to be a 365 days bodybuilder, without dieting, and not 1 week one, "ONLY FOR A SHOW" IT'S WHY I STILL DO A MAX OF ABOMINAL, because it's the only muscle you can train without burning the muscle. And I hate arerobic exercice, I know that those are god for the heart, but as my training is already a kind of aerobic, so it's perfect.

Hoping that this post will stop the discission about my training methode, and explain why I am training in this way. But only people how love bodybuilding can use it.

Many thanks Serge, great post - I agree that a lot of people on here do not understand your philosophy and of all the posts you have made, this one is probably the best. I can relate to your thoughts as Im ONLY interested in being a 365 day bodybuilder now. I harboured ambitions of competing years ago and thus bulked up and stuck to "Bodybuilding Diets" BUT I am now not prepared to take all the risks necessary with modern competitive bodybuilding. I am therefore cutting up with the intention of staying very lean (now without aerobics) whilst adding muscle so I look like a bodybuilder full time and can create the best physique from an artistic point of view possible. Im eating "Normally" and whatever I want and Im enjoying my bodybuilding more than I ever have. I hope the youngers guys on here will continue to learn from you too and that the more experience will be enlightened and respect why you do what you do - At the end of the day, you must be THE worlds number 1 bodybuilder in his 60's and that speaks for itself.

Considering what you said about Steve Reeves, that's a compliment. No one read my post and thought I said anyone needed permission--except you, Slave. Only slaves worry about needing permission to do anything. One need only to look at your avatar to see who the real clown is.

hello serge. what is your favourite bodybuilding pose to use on stage or for photos?

Sevastase jusy gave you the second best one, on the folowing post. But the first one is when i just stay about the same position without posing. For me that pose is the most easy one but the most difficult to do if you don't have a nice physique.

I don't remember exactly; I should have about 29 year old and Arnold 20 years, So this photo must be by 40 years old. I think it was at the NABBA Mr.Universe in London, Arnold was 2rd after Chert Yorton, and I was guest posing.

I don't remember exactly; I should have about 29 year old and Arnold 20 years, So this photo must be by 40 years old. I think it was at the NABBA Mr.Universe in London, Arnold was 2rd after Chert Yorton, and I was guest posing.

Very cool! I had no idea you guest posed at the '66 NABBA Universe Arnold competed in. Thanks! 8)

Yes, not only I did, but I was a judge too, and I put Arnold first in front of Chet, but at this contest Arnol was only an Autrian competitor, so noway he could beat an American. I remember that at this contest, Arnold approched me for me to have a look at his shape the day prior the contest.

I met you many years ago when you were training at Block's Gym in Placentia, CA. You were incredible then and you are incredable now. I wish I had taken you up on your personnel training program. I still have the brochure that you gave me, NUBRETize you body", which lists your various consultation and training programs. I will scan and post next week.

Yes, not only I did, but I was a judge too, and I put Arnold first in front of Chet, but at this contest Arnol was only an Autrian competitor, so noway he could beat an American. I remember that at this contest, Arnold approched me for me to have a look at his shape the day prior the contest.

I met you many years ago when you were training at Block's Gym in Placentia, CA. You were incredible then and you are incredable now. I wish I had taken you up on your personnel training program. I still have the brochure that you gave me, NUBRETize you body", which lists your various consultation and training programs. I will scan and post next week.

You were the best my friend, take care....

Yes "BLOCK'S GYM" with VADECK, that was a very good gym then. and good bodybuilders too. Please scan the brochure and post it.

Sevastase jusy gave you the second best one, on the folowing post. But the first one is when i just stay about the same position without posing. For me that pose is the most easy one but the most difficult to do if you don't have a nice physique.

Yes, not only I did, but I was a judge too, and I put Arnold first in front of Chet, but at this contest Arnol was only an Autrian competitor, so noway he could beat an American. I remember that at this contest, Arnold approched me for me to have a look at his shape the day prior the contest.

Yes, not only I did, but I was a judge too, and I put Arnold first in front of Chet, but at this contest Arnol was only an Autrian competitor, so noway he could beat an American. I remember that at this contest, Arnold approched me for me to have a look at his shape the day prior the contest.

Just a quick progress report 1 month into using your systems for myself:-Your routine is working wonders for me! - Im already having to buy all new shirts in a larger size, whilst looking for smaller waisted trousers ( Down to 32" already!! ) that can accomodate my larger legs!!! Im bigger, but much leaner than I have ever been, EVEN compared to when I was a 20 year old who lived and breathed bodybuilding!!! ( rather than the married Dad of 2 that I am now ). Happy Times! I would never have believed I could start getting such amazing results at nearly 38 years old after 23 years of training ( Previously using modern "train bodyparts one a week" systems ) and completely naturally too! - Volume is the way to go! Its such a more enjoyable way to train too....I can't recommend your routine enough and Im VERY excited about the future - Thank you very much.

Just a quick progress report 1 month into using your systems for myself:-Your routine is working wonders for me! - Im already having to buy all new shirts in a larger size, whilst looking for smaller waisted trousers ( Down to 32" already!! ) that can accomodate my larger legs!!! Im bigger, but much leaner than I have ever been, EVEN compared to when I was a 20 year old who lived and breathed bodybuilding!!! ( rather than the married Dad of 2 that I am now ). Happy Times! I would never have believed I could start getting such amazing results at nearly 38 years old after 23 years of training ( Previously using modern "train bodyparts one a week" systems ) and completely naturally too! - Volume is the way to go! Its such a more enjoyable way to train too....I can't recommend your routine enough and Im VERY excited about the future - Thank you very much.

good to hear, the fact that routine is new and exciting is probably more important than the specifics tho. if you increase volume and frequency you will see increased glycogen loading, which is what your experiencing. one month is not enough time to gain more than a few hundred grams of muscle, specially if you have been training for years.

if your leaner, you have lost weight (fat), ...= caloric deficit (probably induced by increased activity due to the new routine)

which also says = you havent gained muscle.becase as a natural you wont gain muscle and loose weight (fat) at the same time.

keep up the good work and enthusiasm. having fun is the way to good results.

good to hear, the fact that routine is new and exciting is probably more important than the specifics tho. if you increase volume and frequency you will see increased glycogen loading, which is what your experiencing. one month is not enough time to gain more than a few hundred grams of muscle, specially if you have been training for years.

if your leaner, you have lost weight (fat), ...= caloric deficit (probably induced by increased activity due to the new routine)

which also says = you havent gained muscle.becase as a natural you wont gain muscle and loose weight (fat) at the same time.

keep up the good work and enthusiasm. having fun is the way to good results.

Hi. Just to put you straight. I AGREE that the enthusiasm in this routine ( and being able to train more, which I love ) IS partly responsible for it being so successful. I can tell you now that I HAVE DEFINATELY gained muscle whilst losing fat even though Im natural. My bodyweight has remained at 14 stone 6 for the last 2-3 weeks and yes I am MUCH leaner with intercostals and abs more but than ever and much clearer vascularity. My diet is low carb as I am intending to lose fat with a goal to remain lean and hard ( to look like a bodybuilder 365 days a year ). I basically eat eggs for first meal then 2 meals of just chicken breasts before eating "Normally" ( whatever my wife cooks ) in the evening. I am doing daily abs, but only about 20mins to half an hour as that's all I have time for. Seriously man, I have acquired A LOT of knowledge and know my body VERY well and these high volume methods are the way to go FOR ME. Twice a week training of each muscle group is having an amazing effect. All the best to you. Trev

Hi. Just to put you straight. I AGREE that the enthusiasm in this routine ( and being able to train more, which I love ) IS partly responsible for it being so successful. I can tell you now that I HAVE DEFINATELY gained muscle whilst losing fat even though Im natural. My bodyweight has remained at 14 stone 6 for the last 2-3 weeks and yes I am MUCH leaner with intercostals and abs more but than ever and much clearer vascularity. My diet is low carb as I am intending to lose fat with a goal to remain lean and hard ( to look like a bodybuilder 365 days a year ). I basically eat eggs for first meal then 2 meals of just chicken breasts before eating "Normally" ( whatever my wife cooks ) in the evening. I am doing daily abs, but only about 20mins to half an hour as that's all I have time for. Seriously man, I have acquired A LOT of knowledge and know my body VERY well and these high volume methods are the way to go FOR ME. Twice a week training of each muscle group is having an amazing effect. All the best to you. Trev

hey trev, i seen the type of posts you made 100s of times on different board and talking with different people. the enthusiasm is high, when doing a new routine,they feel like they are gaining kilos of muscle in a months time, and loosing fat. they are on a natural "high".

but the cold reality is that you have lost fat, but you havent gained muscle (your confusing glycogen loading with muscle gain). serges routine cant change the fundamental laws of (natural) bodybuilding. your not gonna gain muscle and loose fat at the same time. (a few newbies can do it for a very short period of time..why i dont know)

i agree about training a muscle 2 times per week...in general its superior to training a muscle once a week. (altho in the long run it wont matter if you stay consistant). i also train muscles groups 2 times a week, but with lower volume than serge recommends.

not trying to kill your enthusiasm tho, as i understand how you feel. your in the zone, really focused and looking forward to the next workout, motivation is high..your having fun, your seeing results (loosing fat). basically the eye of the tiger is back. ;)

i dont agree. arnold is all arms there, and is not specially good there. you have a good physique in that pic, and your obviously alot better than arnie in that pic. (but you had trained for more years than arnie back then too)

Serge, do you ever venture out here to the USA for The Arnold Classic or Mr. Olympia?

I've been to these events and I've never seen you at a booth or anything...unless I've just missed you? ???

I went several time for the Arnold classic, when bodybuilding was still bodybuilding, but never for the Mr.Olympia. Arnold asked me once to guest pose at his contest, I trained nearly 6 months to get ready, spent a lot of money, but the day of the contest Ben Weider told Arnold that i could not be on stage, since that day I refused to go to see any IFBB contest again.

Just a quick progress report 1 month into using your systems for myself:-Your routine is working wonders for me! - Im already having to buy all new shirts in a larger size, whilst looking for smaller waisted trousers ( Down to 32" already!! ) that can accomodate my larger legs!!! Im bigger, but much leaner than I have ever been, EVEN compared to when I was a 20 year old who lived and breathed bodybuilding!!! ( rather than the married Dad of 2 that I am now ). Happy Times! I would never have believed I could start getting such amazing results at nearly 38 years old after 23 years of training ( Previously using modern "train bodyparts one a week" systems ) and completely naturally too! - Volume is the way to go! Its such a more enjoyable way to train too....I can't recommend your routine enough and Im VERY excited about the future - Thank you very much.

Trev, I am so proud of you. What you just said here, hopefully will help everybody here to reach their goal. Thank you for everything.

hey trev, i seen the type of posts you made 100s of times on different board and talking with different people. the enthusiasm is high, when doing a new routine,they feel like they are gaining kilos of muscle in a months time, and loosing fat. they are on a natural "high".

but the cold reality is that you have lost fat, but you havent gained muscle (your confusing glycogen loading with muscle gain). serges routine cant change the fundamental laws of (natural) bodybuilding. your not gonna gain muscle and loose fat at the same time. (a few newbies can do it for a very short period of time..why i dont know)

i agree about training a muscle 2 times per week...in general its superior to training a muscle once a week. (altho in the long run it wont matter if you stay consistant). i also train muscles groups 2 times a week, but with lower volume than serge recommends.

not trying to kill your enthusiasm tho, as i understand how you feel. your in the zone, really focused and looking forward to the next workout, motivation is high..your having fun, your seeing results (loosing fat). basically the eye of the tiger is back. ;)

AGAIN!!!!! Ive been training since I was 15 and I KNOW whether Im gaining muscle or not. Im ABSOLUTELY adding muscle whilst losing fat. You always post your opinion as fact WITHOUT trying for yourself. I was sceptical BEFORE I tried these methods as I too was pre-conditioned that "Less was More" - I was wrong. I don't take measurements BUT I can tell you that Im stretching the sleeves of ALL my short sleeves shirts and T-Shirts for the first time in my life PLUS my legs, chest, Back and Delts are much thicker and bigger - This IS added muscle.Stop posting "Your facts" and give these methods a go for a couple of months.

No, thank you very much. Its a good job I don't look back - when I think of all the years I went for "High Intensity", low sets and training the muscles once a week thinking less was more ...... I could get depressed at the thought of the lost years!!!! ONWARDS though. A couple more months ( when Ive reached the condition I want to remain in ) and I will post some pics on here and face all the "This guy must be on steroids" posts!!!! ;D

AGAIN!!!!! Ive been training since I was 15 and I KNOW whether Im gaining muscle or not. Im ABSOLUTELY adding muscle whilst losing fat. You always post your opinion as fact WITHOUT trying for yourself. I was sceptical BEFORE I tried these methods as I too was pre-conditioned that "Less was More" - I was wrong. I don't take measurements BUT I can tell you that Im stretching the sleeves of ALL my short sleeves shirts and T-Shirts for the first time in my life PLUS my legs, chest, Back and Delts are much thicker and bigger - This IS added muscle.Stop posting "Your facts" and give these methods a go for a couple of months.

i have tried the serge routine, and similar pumping style workouts. (high volume short rest). why do you think i havent? they worked to some degree..but not as well as more basic routines focusing on the compound movements, with lower volume than serge recommends. also the main question wasnt if serge straining routine works, it was the fact that you claim you have lost fat and gained muscle mass at the same time in one month

once again what your experiencing is that you feel good because your not pounding your muscles, ligaments and joints with heavy weight your getting a great pump due to the volume..also the pump is carried thru the week because your working the muscles 2 times per week as opposed to once a week. = more glycogen loading.

but your still not gaining muscle and loosing fat at the same time. your confusing muscle gain with the pump.

good to hear, the fact that routine is new and exciting is probably more important than the specifics tho. if you increase volume and frequency you will see increased glycogen loading, which is what your experiencing. one month is not enough time to gain more than a few hundred grams of muscle, specially if you have been training for years.

if your leaner, you have lost weight (fat), ...= caloric deficit (probably induced by increased activity due to the new routine)

which also says = you havent gained muscle.becase as a natural you wont gain muscle and loose weight (fat) at the same time.

keep up the good work and enthusiasm. having fun is the way to good results.

I am not agree at all with what you just said here. I have hundred of people in my gym who are loosing weight in the same time they have gain muscle. Do you know how to know if you gain muscle and loose fat?....Just take your waist measurment, if you lost 1 cm on you waist and if your height is for example 1,80 meter, that means you lost 1kg of fat and if your weight remaind the same that means that you gained 1 kg of muscle, if you lost 1 kg of weight that means you did not gain any muscle. In the opposit if you gained 1kg or 2kd body weight that means you gained 1 or 2kg of muscle. I have been experience that on thousand guy through maybe 40 years I can tell you that it works perfectly, so what you are saying here is completly wrong, and you can eassylly make a proportional scale from more or less than 1,80 meter. If you want more explanation how it works let me know, and it will be a pleasure for me to explain it to you. So from now don't say to people here than they cannot loose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because you could discourage TREV from progressing, even that I know that TREV won't be so easy discourage, because eyes and mirrors don't lie.

i have tried the serge routine, and similar pumping style workouts. (high volume short rest). why do you think i havent? they worked to some degree..but not as well as more basic routines focusing on the compound movements, with lower volume than serge recommends. also the main question wasnt if serge straining routine works, it was the fact that you claim you have lost fat and gained muscle mass at the same time in one month

once again what your experiencing is that you feel good because your not pounding your muscles, ligaments and joints with heavy weight your getting a great pump due to the volume..also the pump is carried thru the week because your working the muscles 2 times per week as opposed to once a week. = more glycogen loading.

but your still not gaining muscle and loosing fat at the same time. your confusing muscle gain with the pump.

You're kidding right?? Not pounding the muscles????? Ive never sweated and worked so hard in my life!!! The weights may be lighter, BUT Im doing a lot more sets and Im going to failure on every set after the warm up. My muscles are fried after and Im sore for days BUT Im not getting the tendon and joint pain I used to get. I guess you didn't work hard enough if you was just pumping away with light weights ....... ::)There is no convinicng you re the muscle gain whilst losing fat eh??!!! Well, I can tell you that with my low carb diet I probably haven't got the capacity to glycogen load the muscles as you are suggestion BUT frankly I don't care what it is, all I know is that my muscles are DEFINATELY much larger than ever before and STILL getting larger whilst my bodyfat keeps getting less and again my bodyweight is not reducing. I know what Im talking about and I KNOW when Im adding solid muscle ..... All the best. T

Hi Serge - NO chance I'll ever be discouraged. Im at that point now where even if I do feel a little drained, I can strip off my shirt and my own body will inspire me to go and train. ALL is good. If Slaveboy didn't get results from your methods then he didn't worl hard enough OR use his mind enough!!

I am not agree at all with what you just said here. I have hundred of people in my gym who are loosing weight in the same time they have gain muscle. Do you know how to know if you gain muscle and loose fat?....Just take your waist measurment, if you lost 1 cm on you waist and if your height is for example 1,80 meter, that means you lost 1kg of fat and if your weight remaind the same that means that you gained 1 kg of muscle, if you lost 1 kg of weight that means you did not gain any muscle. In the opposit if you gained 1kg or 2kd body weight that means you gained 1 or 2kg of muscle. I have been experience that on thousand guy through maybe 40 years I can tell you that it works perfectly, so what you are saying here is completly wrong, and you can eassylly make a proportional scale from more or less than 1,80 meter. If you want more explanation how it works let me know, and it will be a pleasure for me to explain it to you. So from now don't say to people here than they cannot loose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because you could discourage TREV from progressing, even that I know that TREV won't be so easy discourage, because eyes and mirrors don't lie.

i def dont want to kills trevs enthusiasm (or anyone elses). but truth has to be told.

what your explaining, can be explained with WATER. bodyweight can fluctuates alot during ONE day due to what you eat and how much water you store in the body..due to salts and amount of carbs you eat....and the training volume you use.

so i still stand by what i said: when you do the workouts you propose your in a constant state of "pumpedness" which doesnt consitute real muscle gain (not in one months time..if you have lost weight at the same time).

so trev has lost weight (fat) but the muscle gain he htinkgs he has gotten is due to incresed glycogen storage in his muscle.

if you wanna loose weight...then diet. if you wanna gain muscle, you have to eat more calories than you use per day.

do you think muscle is built from air? and no the body doesnt use its own fat to build muscle.

Hi Serge - NO chance I'll ever be discouraged. Im at that point now where even if I do feel a little drained, I can strip off my shirt and my own body will inspire me to go and train. ALL is good. If Slaveboy didn't get results from your methods then he didn't worl hard enough OR use his mind enough!!

the point is you havent gained muscle and lost fat at the same time.

and yes i worked hard when i used a serge inspired routine. dont try to twist the discussion away from what was my main point. :D

and yes i got results. but i didnt confuse the constant pump you feel with muscle gain...certainly not if you loose fat at the same time.

can you build muscle by using serges routine..of course. i did. but there are better routines.

what you are talking about is WATER.No it isn't, solid muscle mate, believe me. My diet is high protein and low carb plus Im not doing aerobics, so calories from the fat loss will be utilised for muscle growth. The body will take what it needs when under stress.

hey trev, i seen the type of posts you made 100s of times on different board and talking with different people. the enthusiasm is high, when doing a new routine,they feel like they are gaining kilos of muscle in a months time, and loosing fat. they are on a natural "high".

but the cold reality is that you have lost fat, but you havent gained muscle (your confusing glycogen loading with muscle gain). serges routine cant change the fundamental laws of (natural) bodybuilding. your not gonna gain muscle and loose fat at the same time. (a few newbies can do it for a very short period of time..why i dont know)

i agree about training a muscle 2 times per week...in general its superior to training a muscle once a week. (altho in the long run it wont matter if you stay consistant). i also train muscles groups 2 times a week, but with lower volume than serge recommends.

not trying to kill your enthusiasm tho, as i understand how you feel. your in the zone, really focused and looking forward to the next workout, motivation is high..your having fun, your seeing results (loosing fat). basically the eye of the tiger is back. ;)

Slaveboy, what a pitty that you don't leave near me in Paris, it will be my pleasure to show you things that you never even imagined in you entire life. And you will fell so shame of yourself that you will maybe never post here again, or change completly your way to see things. So please stop say things that you don't know about, or keep them for youself, if you don't want to progress let people who wants to do it go for it. You talking about fondamental law of nature, what you know about it?...I could talk about it only now after 50 years of training and experience on myself and thousand of people whom have been training on my supervisor, so it's not only about me, but about every kind of physic, I did learn things on book, but on experiences and experience that we should call "FONDAMENTAL LAW OF NATURE". Please come to France for me to teach you things.

once again factor confusion strikes in bodybuilding.Indeed, you gotta do what works for you, just don't post as fact what you can't prove. You'll be shocked when I post pics once Ive reached my peak leanness - coz I know I'll be shocked at the results Ive achieved in such a short space of time!!!! :)

what you are talking about is WATER.No it isn't, solid muscle mate, believe me. My diet is high protein and low carb plus Im not doing aerobics, so calories from the fat loss will be utilised for muscle growth. The body will take what it needs when under stress.

nope, you obviously dont understand human physiology...stored fat is not used to build muscle.

do i believe you when you say you lost fat? yes

do i believe you when you say you gained muscle? no. your feeling pumped due to incresed training volume and hitting body parts more often.

why? because you dont gain muscle and loose fat at the same time. the only people who can do this are total newbies (sometimes for very short period of time when they start working out)+ drug users.

i dont agree. arnold is all arms there, and is not specially good there. you have a good physique in that pic, and your obviously alot better than arnie in that pic. (but you had trained for more years than arnie back then too)

in the lower pic, whats the marks on your shoulder?

serge how is your training going?

At least you are agree with me about someting, estonish!.... About the marks on my shoulder, did ever heard about vaccination when you go to school?...I know what you were thinking, that's funny that you see the smallest things but not the biggest.

Slaveboy, what a pitty that you don't leave near me in Paris, it will be my pleasure to show you things that you never even imagined in you entire life. And you will fell so shame of yourself that you will maybe never post here again, or change completly your way to see things. So please stop say things that you don't know about, or keep them for youself, if you don't want to progress let people who wants to do it go for it. You talking about fondamental law of nature, what you know about it?...I could talk about it only now after 50 years of training and experience on myself and thousand of people whom have been training on my supervisor, so it's not only about me, but about every kind of physic, I did learn things on book, but on experiences and experience that we should call "FONDAMENTAL LAW OF NATURE". Please come to France for me to teach you things.

once again factor confusion strikes in bodybuilding.Indeed, you gotta do what works for you, just don't post as fact what you can't prove. You'll be shocked when I post pics once Ive reached my peak leanness - coz I know I'll be shocked at the results Ive achieved in such a short space of time!!!! :)

::). im not claiming your lying when you say you are seeing changes to your body. your loosing fat which adds to the illusion your are getting bigger. thats nothing new.

factor confusion, as i use the word. is that you do a+b+c+d....but in reality only "A" is needed...and its the "A" that gives you results.

but obsessive thinking makes you also do b+c+d. this is very common in bodybuilding.

At least you are agree with me about someting, estonish!.... About the marks on my shoulder, did ever heard about vaccination when you go to school?...I know what you were thinking, that's funny that you see the smallest things but not the biggest.

AGAIN!!!!! Ive been training since I was 15 and I KNOW whether Im gaining muscle or not. Im ABSOLUTELY adding muscle whilst losing fat. You always post your opinion as fact WITHOUT trying for yourself. I was sceptical BEFORE I tried these methods as I too was pre-conditioned that "Less was More" - I was wrong. I don't take measurements BUT I can tell you that Im stretching the sleeves of ALL my short sleeves shirts and T-Shirts for the first time in my life PLUS my legs, chest, Back and Delts are much thicker and bigger - This IS added muscle.Stop posting "Your facts" and give these methods a go for a couple of months.

Trev don't listen to him, everywhere you will find negative people like that, which the only thing they want is to siscourage positive people, the nature is not it made from the bigining of NEGATIVE AN POSITIVE?...but without the first the second cannot exist. Take your waist measuration today and your weight, next month take them again, depend how tall are you, if your height is like me 1,80 meter, if you loose I cm on your waist and stay at the same body weight that means you gained 1 kg of muscle, if you gained 1-2-3-4kg of body weight that means you gained 1-2-3-4kg of muscle, whatever people say.

Believe what you want to believe but by not opening your mind more, you'll hold yourself back. I repeat, I WAS sceptical before trying this routine but one month on, Im astounded by my results - Seriously dude, try these methods again. Its NOT glycogen or Pump, IT'S SOLID MUSCLE. My clothes are a lot tighter everywhere except my waist, which is now 2.5 inches smaller. End of conversation, Move on.

Trev don't listen to him, everywhere you will find negative people like that, which the only thing they want is to siscourage positive people, the nature is not it made from the bigining of NEGATIVE AN POSITIVE?...but without the first the second cannot exist. Take your waist measuration today and your weight, next month take them again, depend how tall are you, if your height is like me 1,80 meter, if you loose I cm on your waist and stay at the same body weight that means you gained 1 kg of muscle, if you gained 1-2-3-4kg of body weight that means you gained 1-2-3-4kg of muscle, whatever people say.

Believe what you want to believe but by not opening your mind more, you'll hold yourself back. I repeat, I WAS sceptical before trying this routine but one month on, Im astounded by my results - Seriously dude, try these methods again. Its NOT glycogen or Pump, IT'S SOLID MUSCLE. My clothes are a lot tighter everywhere except my waist, which is now 2.5 inches smaller. End of conversation, Move on.

haha, me not opening my mind? its you who has a narrow mind...

me i have first hand experience from the gym+ i have studied human physiology and anatomy.

No, thank you very much. Its a good job I don't look back - when I think of all the years I went for "High Intensity", low sets and training the muscles once a week thinking less was more ...... I could get depressed at the thought of the lost years!!!! ONWARDS though. A couple more months ( when Ive reached the condition I want to remain in ) and I will post some pics on here and face all the "This guy must be on steroids" posts!!!! ;D

Never regret what happened, that my philosophy, nothing hapened for no reason. If you did not once loose all those years, you could not make a comparation today and be a witnes for my and therefore help more young kids for not loosing their time as you did, and have less injuries too.

Trev don't listen to him, everywhere you will find negative people like that, which the only thing they want is to siscourage positive people, the nature is not it made from the bigining of NEGATIVE AN POSITIVE?...but without the first the second cannot exist. Take your waist measuration today and your weight, next month take them again, depend how tall are you, if your height is like me 1,80 meter, if you loose I cm on your waist and stay at the same body weight that means you gained 1 kg of muscle, if you gained 1-2-3-4kg of body weight that means you gained 1-2-3-4kg of muscle, whatever people say.

No way that will happen. Im getting incredible results using your methods. Slaveboys last post made me laugh - I don't remember seeing him on the Olympia stage, he must have HUGE balls to challenge you on how you learn new things when he's sat there with not even a national level amateur physique!!! ;D

me i have first hand experience from the gym+ i have studied human physiology and anatomy.

you on the other hand only talk about "what works for me (=you)" etc.

who is the narrowminded ;D ?

Hey, lets agree to disagree - I TOO have studies Human Biology and anatomy ( Passed at British Advanced School Level ) as well as having tried all the other traditional methods of training. I just know this works for me (yes, for me). You do your thing. Take care, over and out.

No way that will happen. Im getting incredible results using your methods. Slaveboys last post made me laugh - I don't remember seeing him on the Olympia stage, he must have HUGE balls to challenge you on how you learn new things when he's sat there with not even a national level amateur physique!!! ;D

do you know markus ruhl had a physique that rivaled serges ?

BEFORE ruhl turned pro. (when he wont the german championship).

trev are you trying to compare me, slaveboy, a guy who works out natural, to a genetic elite bodybuilder who used drugs....to further your argument :D ? is that what your doing?

i have tried the serge routine, and similar pumping style workouts. (high volume short rest). why do you think i havent? they worked to some degree..but not as well as more basic routines focusing on the compound movements, with lower volume than serge recommends. also the main question wasnt if serge straining routine works, it was the fact that you claim you have lost fat and gained muscle mass at the same time in one month

once again what your experiencing is that you feel good because your not pounding your muscles, ligaments and joints with heavy weight your getting a great pump due to the volume..also the pump is carried thru the week because your working the muscles 2 times per week as opposed to once a week. = more glycogen loading.

but your still not gaining muscle and loosing fat at the same time. your confusing muscle gain with the pump.

I went to your profil, now I understand better you case. I give up I won't answer any more your post.

trev are you trying to compare me, slaveboy, a guy who works out natural, to a genetic elite bodybuilder who used drugs....to further your argument :D ? is that what your doing?

Your act is getting old. Serge doesn't have to explain himself to you or anyone else. He didn't answer the drug question until someone asked him about it and seeing as he is an honest man, with no reason to lie, I take his word for it. Those who can't are just showing their inferiority.

Your act is getting old. Serge doesn't have to explain himself to you or anyone else. He didn't answer the drug question until someone asked him about it and seeing as he is an honest man, with no reason to lie, I take his word for it. Those who can't are just showing their inferiority.

Hi Serge - NO chance I'll ever be discouraged. Im at that point now where even if I do feel a little drained, I can strip off my shirt and my own body will inspire me to go and train. ALL is good. If Slaveboy didn't get results from your methods then he didn't worl hard enough OR use his mind enough!!

Trev, this guy is just here to promote himself, i just discoved that when I went through his profil, he does not train, because go to his profil and you will understand too why, he is always on the forum, i don't know if he has a job, but if he has, that meams that he don't even know what a gym is looking like, I am retired, and have been on this forum for 1 day 10 hours and 25 minutes, and this guy has been 20 times more than me, and i thought that i was too much here. So please I am asking everybody here : PLEASE DON'T ANSWER ANY MORE TO THIS GUY, SO HE COULD GO TO THE GYM AND KNOW WHAT BODYBUILDING IS ABOUT. THAT THE BEST THINK WE CAN WISH HIM.

Hiya Bluto, IF you were referring to me. Im THE most open minded guy you'll ever meet - Bottom line is that we are all looking to build the best physique we can, yes? IF I had tried these methods and not seen results or even seen a loss in size, Id have moved on - Bottom line is they are working for me to the point where I am shocked, so naturally I will defend them and promote them to anyone on here prepared to listen.

Hiya Bluto, IF you were referring to me. Im THE most open minded guy you'll ever meet - Bottom line is that we are all looking to build the best physique we can, yes? IF I had tried these methods and not seen results or even seen a loss in size, Id have moved on - Bottom line is they are working for me to the point where I am shocked, so naturally I will defend them and promote them to anyone on