Novel: Utterly beautiful, stops Cao Pi going... well do what he does best on the Yuan family. Killed entirely based on slander. History: Ignoring the mystical signs that appeared on her birth, the doctor saying she was destined to be great, she somehow as a baby managed to cry when her father died and so was amazingly filial (seriously, did anybody buy that tale? Babies cry!). Never liked frivolity, only one in family not to watch someone standing up on horse. At nine, she learnt to write, she could always recognise a character and enjoying writing, explained to brothers that the worthy ladies of old all studied their predecessors, if she can not read then how can she follow them? At ten, suggested buying riches during time of famine by use of grain was liable to get them killed, instead the turned to giving food out as charity and gained goodwill. Mourned loss of brother Yan at 14, helped sister-in-law look after child Ji loved very much. Remonstrated with strict mother over treatment of daughter-in-law, mother cried and had Zhen Ji move in with the widow, the two grew very close.

As Pi favoured her more and more, she denigrated herself, advising and encouraging those who also had favour while consoling and instructing those without. During times of leisure, encouraged Pi to search out for chaste beauties as Pi should have many woman. Pi's reaction is said to have been appreciative, mind you the same source is the one that claims Zhen Ji died of natural causes so that many lady bit might be a tad untruthful. Pleaded that Madam Ren, who was superior to Ji, be kept rather then banished and feared people would blame her, Pi banished Ren anyway. Wept day and night when Bian was very ill and Zhen could not see her, she doubted her attendants reports that Bian was recovering as Bian had never recovered quickly from the ailment before. Rejoiced when Bian wrote a letter to say she was well, Bian considered her filial. Left behind from a camapign due to illness, when Cao Cao, Bian and her kids returned, Zhen Ji looked well and happy which surprised everyone. The filial thing after all would have been to weep daily or something like that, explained it away as Rui was with Bian so why be concerned? Her death may not have been to do with Guo, it is noted that Zhen Ji grew increasingly discouraged as she fell out of favour, she and Pi seem to have argued quite a bit. An irate Pi had her commit suicide, her last wish was for Lady Li to look after Rui but Pi overuled that, Rui seems to have been a little upset over Ji's death, Li felt aggrieved over having Rui taken away from her. In the end, nobody won that in the long term. Drop pol, good

Less bully more force recruit then have Liu Ye help lead the people south, army plundered and pillaged. Would raise int up, it was a decent idea up to the point where he got drunk at a banquet. Think he was the guy Lu Su was going to join?

The idea had merit, Liu Bei's army was isolated and living off the land, strip the land, go onto defence and Liu Bei's army will be forced to withdraw to Jing. A new enough idea that Zhang had not heard of such things but Fa Zheng questioned if they could have honestly managed it with Zhang's troops. If I was Liu Bei, I would have hired him afterwards, an unpleasant tactic for everyone involved but one that might have worked even if not fully carried out

Against Liang Xing, rebuilt defences when others wanted to flee, seven tenths of everything taken from bandits was allowed to be kept as a reward. Everyone suddenly wanted to capture bandits, some bandits tried to defect but Hun refused unless they brought woman, this meant said bandits often had to steal them from other bandits. Should be pointed out final victory had Hun helped by Xiahou Yuan, juggled the skills a bit

Novel: Advisor to Sima Shi, suggests the rebellion of Guangqiu (likes making plans, slow to make up mind.) and Wen Qin (bold but imprudent), the revolt is too large for their minds but soldiers are full of vigour, best defend till it goes. Sima Shi goes onto attack as he feels the Guangqiu army is not behind their leader and will collapse. Give rumour

I had been wondering about the date. In novel, protests that Dong is a fierce beast whose prey will be humans. His historical advice is more sober, Dong is a vicious man with ambitions, won't be controlled and is overkill given He Jin's capability and resources, also delaying is a mistake. Dong scared him during the argument over raising troops, Zheng Tai argued that Dong was a superior commander then listed why the allies were rubbish, that the Xi Liang troops were strong enough as it is, raising more troops would cause trouble. Raise pol for jobs, give propaganda, good as he left one job in protest and tried to kill Dong.

Novel: Sent by Sima Yi as a false defector, claims he was overlooked and treated badly. Kills a man he claims is Qin Lang with ease but Liang points out that Yi wouldn't use someone who was that poor. Confesses it wasn't Lang but Qin Ming, confessed to everything and sent Sima Yi a letter to lure him into trap. Executed anyway

Recommended Sun Qian to service, Kong Rong and Jiang Wei were fans as was most of Shu but his work did fall out of fashion, Wang Su's anti Xuan efforts worked in Wei/Jin. Chi Lu and Liu Bei learnt under him. Neutral, well meaning but unable to stay in one place for more then five seconds, one or two changes in skills.

Novel: Writes suck up poem, sought parley with Ma Dai but was refused and withdrew to Chang An, holds for ten days. Ma Chao withdraws, Yao double checks by using spies (more a scouting thing though) and then opens gates to allow people out to collect much needed supplies. Pang De snuck in and when Ma's return, opened the gate at night, Yao flees to Tong Pass and sends for help, Cao Hong takes over. Drafts edict to make Cao Cao Prince, gains ranks. Advises Cao Rui not to go to defend Chang An but to find a match for Zhuge Liang, since Cao Zhen is not a match, recall Sima Yi who Yao reminds everyone was slandered by Liang's lies.

History: Pang De apologised to the weeping Zhong Yao when De showed prove nephew Gou Yuan, Yao remarks he may have been nephew but was also a traitor so why apologise? Sent to besige a place, he withdrew to Pingyuan when Guo Yuan arrived, many officers wanted to retreat further against the large army. Zhong Yao knew if they retreated, Ma Teng and co would join the Yuan's, he also knew his nephew would be careless. As he predicted, Yuan went across the river, while half way across Zhong Yao launched the attack. Until Cao Cao provoked the situation, Zhong Yao had maintained peace with the Qiang but things were slipping beyond a situation where even Yao's diplomacy could keep things in check. scholars down, need to check it, neutral.

Novel: Powerful man with handsome beard, had seen Guan Yu when serving the Turbans but now lived in bandit camp. Begs and begs to be allowed to follow Guan Yu as a footsoldier. Returns to camp to get men but finds it taken over (by Zhao Yun), can only get a few so duels strange warrior, gets badly beaten and wounded three times. Jeers Zhao Yun out of camp, fights one or two battles alongside Guan Yu. At banquet meeting, is swordbearer and suddenly speaks up, insulting Lu Su, Guan Yu dismisses him. his was part of a careful plan and Cang summons Guan Ping's navy. Expert in waters and boat navigation, he captures Pang De, left behind to help guard last point in Shu, kills himself on seeing Guan Yu was dead. Neutral, Guan Yu worshipper from seeing him in battle, not a moralist, give seigecraft for helping defence

Novel: Governor, on hearing Wei was considering an attack he warns Quan then sends Cao Xiu seven reasons to invade Wu, promising to rebel. It is a trap and Jia Kui, who calls Fang wise and crafty, is wary. When he sees Cao Xiu is wary, fakes to kill himself then cuts off his beloved hair, leads Xiu to a "suitable" place to camp then escapes. History: Originally was supposed to use mountain people to lure Xiu in but feared it would leak out so did it himself. Claimed he was banished, there was suddenly a lot of investigations in the city, he fled into government house and shaved off his hair in a bid for mercy. Presumably whatever spies Wei had were supposed to see this. Int rise, trap elite

Zhou Qun, also predicted the deaths of Liu Biao, fall of Liu Zhang, Zhang Lu/Han SUi (argument over which one he meant) and Song Jian, the abdication of Xian. While he predicted success at Hanzhong, he predicted he wouldn't get the people and had to be careful, his lieutenant generals would fail. Seems Liu Bei did lose his lieutenant generals in battle, make father. Replace architect with civil engineer

Novel: Described as bold, accompanied Sun Ce, takes navy and hides his men as traders, gets forged papers (I assume from Quan's court as part of Zhang Zhao's plan). Makes up story of Lady Wu being sick and wanting to see SSX and Shan one last time, directs conversation so SSX comes up with idea of leaving without permission. Moves quickly to avoid pursuit but eventually caught but ensures Yun is trapped on boat full of Wu soldiers. One blowed by Zhang Fei, give dash, neutral

Novel: About to engage Huang Gai in duel but attack to rear stops it, helps cut a way out, urges pursuit of Sun Ce but is ambushed, rushes Ce and gets killed. History: Holds out against Wu Jing before leaving to save the people, would raise lead for it. Good for people caring

Naval commander of Wu, sneaks to place and prepares an ambush, does it on Sun Xin then he and his men intermingle with the retreating Wu troops and enter the city before Sun Xin. Kills the fleeing Xin. First to break into a Wu camp, slew Shen Rong. Raid and riot?

Recommends Shisun Rui, Li Jue almost killed him, Jia Xu felt he should be sacked over misreading of the stars but Xian took the blame. Administration, Wall for rearguard, raise war for having some success, dock int as his one scheme resulted in being replaced by Zhu Jun, neutral

The niece of Sun Xiu, daughter of Luyu. Sent to Sun Jun after the death of Luyu but sent back to her husband, Xiu and Zhu wept on departing, she later became empress and empress dowager. Sun Hao demoted her after a month and she was driven to suicide, she declared she knew nothing of state matters so allowing Sun Hao into the throne, she was popular among the people and two of her sons were murdered. Also known as Empress Jing, going for good cha, low pol and lead for lack of influence in matters and refusing to take part in state affairs even in such important matter as the heir.

Novel: Sent against the attacking Cao Ren, bold and resourceful as well as young, he goes to defend one place only to find Ru Xu is under attack. Races back to find his officers are in a panic, gives an inspiring speech reminding them that they have the advantage of terrain and freshness. Makes city seem empty then charges out, kills the surprised Chang Diao and utterly destroys the Wei army.

Historically had sent troops out but not himself away from Ruxu, outwitted by Cao Ren but recovered by inspiring/rallying troops then sending one army against Chang Diao while he himself led a raid against Cao Tai, he (or Tai, two alternate translations) was able to burn the Wei camp, he also captures Wang Shuang. Fought against Shan Yu, was the left flank of the attack on Cao Xiu, he slandered Xiu and asked to be given permission to block the narrow route of Wei retreat, Lu Xun refused. The insane incident was over his unhappiness with serving Quan Zong, who he quarrelled with often, went home to rest and recover, Quan soothed him, paid him honour and gave him a largely independent command. Huan remarked he would recover now he had active service which strikes me as cynical. Evil for mass murdering over a quarrel, altered the skill set a fair bit but still very dangerous. I did stat down a bit, I honestly do not consider him that impressive, out manoeuvred by Ren but recovered, a good victory then does minimally against Cao Xiu. Doesn't impress me much

Lady: Of powerful local family, mocks her husband as brave but stupid, goes out to fight, expert in use of flying sword and never missed. Takes 50,000 troops against Zhang Ni/Yi, she disconcerts him but they duel, Rong retreats and lures Ni into pursuit, suddenly throws sword and wounds him in the arm. Ni is captured, Ma Zhong's rescue attempt get surrounded and he is captured by prepared ropes. Was going to execute her captives but Huo stopped her, as she was merry with wine she didn't object. Three times Shu tried to lure her out but she refused, only when Wei Yan hurled volley's of abuse, pursues Wei Yan with her army, doubles pace but gets led into ambush, her horse stumbles over prepares ropes. Gets exchanged. Neutral, would raise int as she outwitted two good commanders then didn't get lured out until she lost her temper and lower war slightly

Novel: Leader of the van, loses in duel to Wang Ji after 3 bouts, army smashed, Zhuge Dan gives him left flank but Dan is drawn into ambush. Sun Chen tells Yi that it is victory or death time, tries plan of vassal of getting troops inside Shou Chun and then double attack. Troops get in but when tries double attack, Zhu Yi leads troops from outside city and is ambushed, Chen is as good as his word. Stats seem rather high for failing constantly, add aid

Novel: Rises from the bed and becomes Cao Zhen's vanguard's second in command against ZL. Vanguard hurries to Shu's camp, command makes first attack but then Zan arrives and they fight each other for awhile. Falls into ambushes, runs away, killed by Zhao Yun in another battle. Shall we call it kinsman to Cao Zhen or Cao Cao?

Novel: Asks why Ce is weeping alone rather then using loyal friends of his father like himself. Suggests asking to go to Wu Jing's aid then use it to escape Yuan Shu, agrees using seal is a good idea, made governor. Appointed inspector later. Lower pol, long term administrator but of low rank, lower int as he lacked schemes or noted intelligence. Lower cha, a pacifier but not noted for popularity or friends. Neutral, add investigator for keeping the peace

May need to make late change on this one once a certain place gets back on line. Novel: Sent by Sima Shi to secure Shou Chun, gets to it before Wei Qin, cousin of Zhuge Liang. Jia Chong sounds him about Wei becoming Jin, gets rebuked and reminded that they should stand firm. Popular in the area so Zhao recalls him, Dan though interrogates messenger and finds it exactly what Zhao is doing with local forces aka, Yue Chen is preparing to attack. Kills messenger and gathers his guard, orders ten of them to force the city gate and they manage it, at which point they all charge in, setting fire to the houses and fighting their way to the tower. Rebukes Yue Chen's treason and before Chen can reply, kills the guy. Sends in memorial saying about Sima Yi's faults, sends his son to Wu as a sign of good faith and to get help. His solders are bold and strong, he joins up with Wei Qin and son.

Spots Jin centre is weak and disorganised and charges, problem is the Jin troops leave supplies and Dan's men lose will to fight with all the riches. Ambushed, tries to retreat but his army is badly hurt. Still has decent position, good defences and army, as long as Wu's forces don't get driven back then the advantage is still with Dan. Wu goes and performs badly, moral within Dan's camp is lowered when Sun Chen Chen retreats and the token Wu forces left defect. Advised to make one last battle since supplies are low, he gets angry and the advisor's defect. Flood he was hoping for doesn't come. Kills Wen Qin who suggests sending away the northern troops in a bid to avoid starvation, Qin's sons rampage then defect where they are treated well. Troops plot desertion, Dan puts many to death as he investigates the guard posts himself in a desperate attempt to keep his authroity. Wei attacks and gates get opened, tries to escape but is cut down.

History: Defenders, starving and demoralised fail to put up fight though they don't mass defect, Dan is caught and killed as he tries to escape. The personal retainers refuse to serve Sima Zhao, one by one executed as they declared they would not regret death for Master Zhuge. Seems to have been some sort of scholar, he formed a partnership with a group led by Deng Yang and Xiahou Xuan, this led to their sacking as the group was rather unconventional. Takes advice and doesn't prepare for rumoured Wu invasion as Wu as Quan is badly ill and doesn't have veteran generals, Wu is just making noise, advisor is proved right. Later urges attack on Wu, faces Zhuge Ke, no idea what happens next. Ambushes Yue Chen, accoring to wiki helped put down Wuqiu Jian's revolt, keep as is at the moment.

Novel: Advises not allying with Yuan Shao but with Cao Cao for now, of the undecided Chi Bi faction. Sent to persuade Zhuge Liang to change sides but Liang twists it to try and get Jin to defect, stunned but can't betray Quan's kindness. Warns Taischi Ci that Liao is likely prepared for an attack, proved right as Ce is killed. Consents to have his family falsely imprisoned and then guilt Liang to give Jing back. Ensures he has letter from Bei so Guan Yu gives back the 3 commandries, overwhelm by shame as Guan Yu rebukes him and if not for Liang, would have killed him. Doesn't believe Liang was behind failure to get back lands, just Guan Yu, agrees officers should be sent to Jing anyway to govern Wu's new area's. Suggests proposing marriage to Guan Yu and basing what they do next on the reply, again only Guan Yu's respect for Liang saves Jin. Tries to get Guan Yu to surrender, Ping almost kills him and is shamed by Guan Yu's kind words. Noticing a pattern? Tries to get Liu Bei not to attack and puts up a argument similar to Liang's about how Shu must attack Wei and how Guan Yu's death was all Lu Meng's fault, Quan declares his friend will stay loyal when doubts are cast. He and Lu Xun double team Cao Zhen, Jin sallying it from inside city. Beaten by raid and realising they need to withdraw, fakes to advance on Lu Xun's advice then withdraws.

History: A frequent visitor to Shu as an envoy, usually involving Jing, he and Zhuge Liang do seem to have written to each other on many matters. Presumably Quan knew of this and Jin was able to send a son for Liang to adopt. The retreat thing was not Jin's fualt, Lu Xun's messenger got captured, Jin wrote to Xun but heard nothing back, when he heard Lu Xun was playing games, Jin realised Xun had a plan. Led the navy back in the careful withdrawal. Friend of Bu Zhi, Yan Jun and Lu Su. Seems to have looked after reserves and communication lines during Yi Ling, helped hold off Cao Zhen, defeatd by Sima Yi then by Xiahou Shang in two separate campaigns. Emperor Quan's first General in Chief (which is probably were he compares to Zhuge). Declares Ke would bring ruin to the Zhuge household, he and Lu Xun had power to modify the laws. Sun Quan reassures Lu Xun that Zhuge Jin and he were as close as blood.

Neutral, would give a slight lead boost as he seems a slightly more competent general then that. Would lower int, was not a great schemer or wit and would lower pol. If Wu has a Guo Jia, Fa Zheng, it is possibly Zhuge Jin with Jin being the least of the three. Quan trusted him greatly, this in many ways pushed him perhaps further up the ladder then his ability, he seems solid, charming, capable but not great however Quan could trust him which is what he needed the most late on.

Novel: Companion of the heir, when he was six, he changed sign declaring donkey "My friend Zhuge Jin" to "My friend Zhuge Jin's donkey" to the laughter of all, got to keep the donkey. shames Zhang Zhao into drinking at banquet by reminding Zhao that they don't send Zhao off to the frontlines as a famed king used to do. Ke ran the government of the ailing Quan, hears last wishes and places Liang on throne. Gives Ding Feng marines while sending others to prepare an ambush, Ding Feng's brilliance wins the battle but the ambush turned into a slaughter. Decides that since they won defence battle, they and Shu should attack. Nearly kills mystic who warns about bad omens, takes Feng's advice and attacks a key point. After months of getting nowhere, with Wei not exactly dashing to help the city, and constantly battering the walls, they finally weaken part of the wall. Ke had been threatening anyone who was not working their hard, pushing them onto keep trying so having got this far, he accepts the garrison's "allow his ten days respite and we will surrender" ploy. The garrison rebuilt the walls and a furious Ke launched a new assault but he gets hit in the head with an arrow and falls badly ill. Sickness spreads through the camp, the troops were already disheartened but once Ke recovered, he threatened to execute anyone who spoke of the sickness. Troops defected instead so Ke looked around the camp and realised that they were too sick to do anything and has to retreat. Wei's army finally moves and pursues Ke's army, the defeat was bad and Ke feigned illness rather then return to court.

To silence criticism, he becomes very strict, the smallest infractions were used to punish, used banishment and death with exposure quite a bit so people became afraid. Sun Liang and Sun Jun plot, Ke's cruelty and abuse of power had upset too many people. Haunted, executes a few more guards, goes to banquet despite misgivings as Jun cleverly manipulates him. Refuses wine for fear of poison but is murdered at the banquet by sword, family killed.

History: Picked for Sun Deng's court, admired for his quick wit later supported Sun He. Took Shu envoy when Quan was ill, well learned and keen in debate. As a general, inflicts final defeat on Shan Yue by forcing populace to stay in walled villages and starving the Shan Yue into submission over ten years, had said he could do it in three and nagged his way into that job, smashed a Wei general's army, made Grand General then tutor to the Crown Prince. Hated by Sun Hong, found it Hong was plotting against him so interrogated then executed him. Senior minister is mocked for warning him to think ten times before doing something. Recommended Wei Zhao as historian, tried to demonstrate liberal and reforming policies like not clawing back taxes due, sacking auditors and those that checked the accounts, this made him popular. May have been a case of stupidity but what seems to be the case is Quan went overly strict so Ke was repealing some of the harsher things. Tries to get two princes moved, writes a very long letter to a reluctant one explaining how Emperor's must make distinction between family members, said Prince is scared into acceptance presumably as he feared exile ala Sun He. Builds large dam and two forts, force marches to rescue a city but has Ding Feng do most of the work when they get there

5 people predicted his failing, his attitude threatened those above while belittling those below, as a northerner the southern based gentry did not like him (not that he exactly helped himself) and Liang felt infringed upon. Evil, not so much for starvation but for his later career, he turned into a cruel tyrant. Lead down, his big thing was pretty much all Ding Feng's work and taking ten years on something where he promised three though he did have some success, it wasn't much. Lower int, quick witted and intelligent, his plan broke the Shan Yue but those alone are not 84, add in his recklessness and that keeping pol as is, the int is going to get smashed for his failings. Dock cha, very unpopular among officials that knew him other then a senile Quan, popularity with people was more up and coming reputation which he threw away. Rejigged skillset but not entirly happy about my own

Novel: Father is going to lead an army against Deng Ai, offers himself as vanguard since his father had army. Only 19, had studied military books and practised all the exercises. Rides out against Deng Zhong, part of the eventual victory. Inside city when father dies, ignores pleas to stay and rides out to his death. History: Deng Ai's claims executed. Aid, neutral

Zhuge Xing, Novel: General of the Right under Sun Hao, agrees they can not afford to lose but on seeing Jin's army, asks why they don't just run. Leaves Zhang Ti in tears. Aid, decent int for common sense, neutral

Novel: Inspector of place, sent by Deng Ai to cut off Jiang Wei's retreat, camps on important bridges. Jiang tricks him by pretending to head for camp, leaves small force at bridge that is easily overcome. Without orders, attacks Jiang's but is heavily defeated, Zhong Hui almost kills him but as he is Deng Ai's general, is only sent to capital. History: Site down so top of my head time, 99% sure I have this right. Zhuge Xu was the third commander and had 30,000 troops, he acted as a decoy and was successful, his manoeuvring caused the vital reinforcements of Zhong Yi and Dong Jue to delay for a month, this led to a vital pass falling. Shu army forced to fall back, Deng Ai proposes they both do the Deng Ai plan, Xu refuses and Zhong Hui has him arrested for cowardice. Int up for managing to outwit Zhang Yi, lead up a tad, leader and probably be given something for manovering.

Novel: Clever lad, Imperial son-in-law, made General of the Guards but retired when Huang Hao began controlling state matters. Liu Shan weeps and asks for help, Zhan says the kindness the Zhuge's have received from Shan means no sacrifice is too great. Adopts 8 diagram formation then pretends he is Zhuge Liang from the dead, pursues the Wei army for seven miles and inflicts great losses. Next battle, sends in the flanks on Wei centre, battles goes one way then the other before Wei eventually is forced off the field with great losses. Furious at having received a letter asking him to defect, he seeks battle and is lured into ambush. Forced onto desperate defence, sends messenger to Wu (rather late by that point), grows weary of waiting for help, believes Deng Ai is fleeing from Zhan's sallying force and pursues, ambushed and unable to fight way out, wounded, does his duty (as he claims) by killing himself.

History: During last defence, forced to retreat by Miao's surrender, defeats Deng Zhong's army but ignores Huang Chong's advice to defend in the passes, seeks open battle and this time loses badly, is killed. When he was eight, Liang said he was adorable and of great mind but worried about the early maturing, fearing he wouldn't be a great mind. Rose through the ranks, a skilled painter, writer and had a fine memory. Due to love of Liang and Zhan's facile imagination, every beneficial policy was credited to him, shared government with Dong Jue and Fan Jiang, shielded Huang Hao's corruption. Would up int slightly but lower cha, if dad isn't famous he wouldn't be loved so much. Or quite possibly at all. Good

Zhuge Zhi, sent with 10,000 men and another general to invade Taiwan by a senile Quan, it was a disaster, typhon hit the fleet and they returned with 1,000 men. Executed for failure, navy, aid, low stats, neutral

Novel: Sent to Wu, calmed down Quan explaining that the increased garrison was just like Wu's, not worth asking about. Compared to Deng Zhi. History: Chief sectary to Zhuge Liang, after Liang's death, frankly suggests to Quan neither garrison should be enquired about, made Quan laugh. Quan valued him highly with only Deng Zhi and Fei Yi held higher, rose to being in the Imperial Secretariat, also gained army ranks. Deng Zhi arrogantly questioned how a 61 year old could be given command of an army (Zong Yu wasn't in practise given command), Zong Yu pointed out Deng Zhi had one and was over 70, Yu was only one to stand up to Deng Zhi. Made one last trip to Wu, Quan credited him with doing much to keep relations strong, Yu urged him to remain a true ally to Shu for the sake of both kingdoms, Quan wept as they both realised this would be their last meeting, both were very old. Refused to visit Zhuge Zhan to gain trifling favour

Novel name of Zhang Ji's wife, she is a vision of beauty, Anmin and Cao Cao agree on that, Cao Cao compares her to paradise. Cao Cao makes out allowing Xiu to live was all for her then asks her to spend time with him, she worries about rumours (which shows a bit more sense then Cao Cao was), Cao Cao didn't follow up idea of taking her to capital and they idle together. Probably should dock cha a tad

Zu Bi, fictional keeper of the seal. Cao Hong and Xiu have swords drawn and want the seal for Cao Pi. Xian is clearly upset, Zu Bi keeps hold of seal until they hack him to death, keeps up lots of abuse. Lots of war for keeping hold of it, jeer, zeal, neutral

Novel: Asks for Jian's helmet and flees under hot pursuit, Jian goes another direction. Difference is he puts helmet on pole, then waits in hiding till Hua Xiong turns up, tries to kill Xiong and dies. Historically, actually does the pole bit but doesn't charge out to die. Neutral

Novel: Tricks include taking oranges without opening the skin then putting them back in, ate and drunk a lot with no side effects, learnt from magical books including how to be invisible, control weather, that kind of thing. Taken into dungeons but laughs through torture then sleeping afterwards, able to get delicacies from all over the world, flees into some sheep and then vanishes. Neutral

Eunuch. Novel: Sent to enquire how Liu Zhi lost to Zhang Jue (to be fair, he does come across as excuse making in the novel), asks for a bribe but Zhi doesn't have the cash so claims Lu Zhi was hiding behind ramparts. Lu Zhi was arrested. Historically, didn't technically ask but Zhi was advised to prepare bribe, claimed to court Turbans would be easy to beat but Zhi was hiding behind ramparts. Either punishing Zhi for no gift or misunderstood the defences Zhi had built. Evil

Zuo Xian, novel: sectary to Sun Quan, reminds him of how well Cao Cao treated Guan Yu (now captured by Wu) yet Guan Yu returned to Liu Bei. Since Quan could never hope to win him over, the only course was execution. Decent int, pol, acumen and rumour, neutral as the advice was well meant

Dong: I'm going to separate the first couple of posts as I plan to run through the entire list ideally tonight. If you can reply to all my posts within 36 hours, I'll be able to reply back before I take off.

Zang Ba: Rally and/or inspire for convincing Zhang Liao not to withdraw in rainy conditions and to keep pressure on Sun Quan, kinda want to do something for his specialty troops like Blitz but he has a lot of skills already. I'd actually sub Blitz for Siegecraft if skills are an issue. I'd put him in the low 80s, or at 80, since he did beat historical Lu Bu, and had much success against Wu. I'd raise War to the low 70s for dueling someone and it not being a Sima Yi situation. While he didn't have friends that were listed, he did gather up a tough group of men, and was able to convince Cao Cao and Zhang Liao of plans when he talked to them, so I'd put his lead in the low 70s as well.

Zang Hong: Pretty much agreed

Zang Xuan: Agreed

Zao Chuzhong: What about Liu's :p

Zao Zhi: Agreed

Zhai Rong: In fairness, if Emperor Huan didn't shame Chinese Buddhists, I bet Zhai thought there wasn't much he could do.

Zhan Qiang: Neutral or evil for killing Shan Sheng before he could surrender? I'm thinking evil because it wasn't out of self-preservation and if he wanted to rebel he could've raised his own men.

Zhan Yan: Their air force got Kamikaze'd trying to invade Japan (little known historical note; Kamikaze literally means Divine Wind in Japanese, and was first applied to a hurricane which wiped out a rather large invasion force from Korea).

Lady Zhang: I'm thinking he wanted her to say he was her daddy instead of being smart about it.

Madam Zhang: Agreed

Empress Zhang: Agreed

Dame Zhang (167) | Mother: Lady Xing (115) I well she married Zhang Hong's son, so I presume she'd have took his name.

Zhang Chang: Was actually thinking more a Civil Engineering thing for setting up a commandery way out there in the middle of relatively nowhere.

Zhang Chao: Compared to the other (e)'s, agreed.

Zhang Chao: Tempted higher Int for predicting the situation with Zang and Yuan.

Zhang Cheng: I think he just wanted to avoid upsetting Yuan Shu.

Zhang Cheng: For the alias alone I'd go Charge.

Zhang Cheng: Agreed

Zhang Chi: Agreed

Zhang Chong: Agreed

Zhang Chun: Sure

Zhang Chunhua: Again, a skill that'd have more historical or novel uses than Flood or Rockslide. We could apply it to the hunter who killed his wife for Liu Bei, he had to have some culinary and housework skills. Neutral because I think the story's a little embellished after the fact (if she committed murder, how would it be found out unless Sima Yi, who wasn't really trusted, kept a diary saying my wife killed a maid and damn can she make a good ham sandwich).

Zhang Cun: Sorry, agreed.

Zhang Da: Does craftsman work with clothes? I thought that was Artisan's department. Agreed on the rest.

Zhang Dang: Reluctant on evil for being against the Emperor and in Sima's corner, agreed on the rest.

Zhang Dun: Agreed

Zhang Duo: I can picture him in a greaser outfit, and think its odd that that is what I associate with Gangs.

Zhang Fan: Agreed

Zhang Fan: Do we count Zhang Ling as his son when he said give me my nephew instead?

Zhang Fen: Agreed

Zhang Fen: Looking up the word I didn't know, he was too mature for his age. That, and he didn't like tanks being built.

Zhang Heng: Well, he was smart enough not to show up again if he didn't die.

Zhang Hong: Agreed

Zhang Hu: Agreed

Zhang Hu: Agreed

Zhang Hua: The ends justify the means

Zhang Ji: I'm half-tempted neutral cause he killed a Eunuch's slave for riding an Ox Cart, which should have upset them, but the accounts against him (that he withstood enough) push him toward evil. And you should've put the warning in front of the Yi's that I all made within like 5 years of each other for the 10 or so there.

Zhang Ji: Agreed

Zhang Ji: Watch that he saves your PC's life in the game for V6.

Zhang Ji: How he lives in history.

Zhang Ji: I'd got Networking (e) for being noted for his recruitment of good men and his diaspora plan.

Zhang Jia: New skill idea: A skill which allows you to find an imperial seal in random places. Again, more uses in the novel and history than Flood or Rockslide.

Zhang Jian: I'd go good because he felt he had an obligation to take it, but didn't really do anything for Cao Cao because of how he viewed him morally. If he did stuff I'd say neutral, but with his career, I think that ootweighs the slight contradiction there. Also tempted Networking for swearing an oath of brotherhood with 23 men.

Zhang Jian: Again, have Ling divorce his father.

Zhang Jian: Sure

Zhang Jie: Well there's a difference between a puppet and outright taking the throne.

Zhang Jin: Add to the list of NPC's I'd be a GM for.

Zhang Jin : Agreed

Zhang Jing: He should've been a son of Zhang Zhao, his kids got cool toys.

Zhang Jing: *shrugs*

Zhang Jiong: Must've been a favorite of Emperor Shu.

Zhang Jiu: Agreed

Zhang Ju: Sure. Random note: The fireworks around here are very loud.

Zhang Jun: Well the Eunuchs were the Emperor at that point.

Zhang Jun: Agreed

Zhang Kai: I'd rather go with 32 Int and Cunning just so Rob looks at him and scratches his head.

Zhang Kaiyang: Agreed

Zhang Kuang: Agreed

Zhang Leigong: These randomly named bandits need to have some impact in V6 just showing up in places.

Zhang Liang: Who had the leading Turban rebel?

Zhang Liang: You said he'd handled supplies.

Zhang Liangze: I think I gave that to him for awing the non-chinese. I'd still go 60s for his presence.

Zhang Ling: Like, was Jian really that much better than him?

Zhang Lixiu: That and she did bluff the rebels.

Zhang Long: Him or Bao need arrowstorm, not sure which.

Zhang Lu: Decent ruler who kept the people happy, though agree on Neutral.

Zhang Manchang: Agreed

Zhang Mao: Sure

Zhang Meng: His bio's confusing.

Zhang Mi: Sure

Zhang Miao: That's what he gets for listening to Chen Gong.

Zhang Min: I'd agree on that.

Zhang Ming: Agreed

Zhang Mu: Headache to figure it all out.

Zhang Na: *wonders if there are more Zhangs or Lius*

Zhang Nan: Tried. Failed, but tried.

Zhang Nan: Agreed

Zhang Niujue: Agreed

Zhang Pu: That was incredibly stupid. Like setting your own ships on fire stupid.

Zhang Qi: Probably

Zhang Qi: Agreed

Zhang Qiu: Well it was dark

Zhang Quan: Neither can I, just tends to run together in my head.

Zhang Rao: Agreed

Zhang Ren: I kinda think 70's too low for the resistance he put up (historically I think it was over a year with one of Liu Zhang's sons), I'd go mid 70s, otherwise agreed.

Zhao Qian: This is the guy who had the 7 heroes (just did Zhang Zhongran as one of them) give their life for him so he could escape. I strongly disagree on the Cha drop for two reasons: 1, the loyalty of his men (which should get him loyalty (e)). 2, Dong Zhuo respected him so much that he wouldn't take direct action for him. For the fatman to do nothing, either because he liked him too much, or he thought that he'd get in trouble and have issues if he did something to a man with such respect, combined with the loyalty of his men's worth 90 cha to me.

Zhao Qinglong: Agreed

Zhao Qu: Agreed

Zhao Rong: Sure

Zhao Rong: Agreed

Zhao Rui: Agreed

Zhao Rui: Agreed

Zhao She: Agreed

Zhao Song: There's a reason he's got 30s int. And really, it's better than killing yourself out of shame or a lack of being able to do anything.

Zhao Ta: Agreed

Zhao Tong: Sure

Zhao Wei: Only thing is his death came from his men killing him.

Zhao Weisun: Agreed

Zhao Wen: I think if he made that move instead of Cao Cao he was doing it other than to suck up or doing it as a sort-of slight. Agreed on everything though.

Zhao Yan: Agreed

Zhao Yan: Ahh bribery not involving sale of offices

Zhao Yan: Sure

Zhao Yong: The characters are the same, and the both quote from the same SGZ thing, but they quote from different HHS bios. Most likely a duplicate, but I'll say eerie coincidence.

Zhao Yong: Agreed

Zhao Yongjiang: Agreed.

Zhao Yu: I'd actually go good because of how well he was praised (which admittedly could've been sarcastic), as well as wanting to be in charge of inspecting stuff under Tao Qian.

Zhao Yuanjiang: Tempted innocuous for the same reason as Sheng Dao since they could be mistaken for each other.

Zhao Yue: Irony is ironic.

Zhao Zhi: Agreed

Zhao Zhong: Agreed

Zhao Zi: But he got robbers to flee by asking them not to disturb his mother. That's 10 kinds of awesome and 70s worthy.

Zhao Zi: Agreed

Missing a 3rd Zhao Zi. What I had on him:

Zhao Zi- Neighbor of Sima Lang, warned the peopole their territory would be a warzone and brought his household with Sima Lang. he'd later be a Secretariat of Wei and a Minister of Ceremonies. Acumen (250), Tactician (100)Zhao Zi (163) 41-35-71-75-63 | Skills: Acumen (250), Tactician (100) | Items:

I'll let you finish him off as I'm too lazy to look up what you gave him.

Zhao Zuo: You've done a lot in a short time, no wonder your brain broke.

Zhong Yu: Live in Kentucky. The state motto there is "Everything's Relative." Apologies to Kentuckians for an Ohioan crack.

Zhong Yu: Interesting skill.

Zhongchang Tong: Agreed.

Zhou Ang: Agreed

Zhou Bi: Talk about good advice backfiring.

Zhou Bin: *wonders how many were valid kills*

Zhou Bo: Agreed.

Zhou Buyi: I think he was harboring resentment at him choosing to not marry his daughters, and in his state of mind took out his frustration on one who reminded him of his dead son. Shocking that Cao Pi's actually the voice of reason in an instance.

Zhou Cang: I'd go Blitz over leader for leading swordsmen and being mostly an underling.

Zhou Chao: Agreed

Zhou Fang: I'd also go Administration (e) for 30 years of good administration.

Zhu Gongdao: What the hell did Jia Kui do to get put in a dungeon pit?

Zhu Guang: Agreed.

Zhu Gui: Agreed

Zhu Han: Could've handled that better admittedly.

Zhu Hao: Good?

Zhu Huan: I'd leave him in the 80s for Lead just because he beat Cao Ren at a time when he was at his peak even after being on a disadvantage. Rally's probably the proper skill for the situation, but as a general he'd get more out of Inspire. Eh, I'd say if he's under 80 for lead Inspire, if over Rally to balance it out.

Zhu Ji: Agreed

Zhu Jianping: I'd go trample to make it completely useless as a skill. And his predictions were clearer than Nostradamus' predictions were.

Zhu Ju: Agreed

Zhu Ling: One of the many Z's I said I'd change the stats on and forgot though (though he's now at where I'd have changed them).

Zhu Nan: Agreed

Zhu Rong: Sure

Zhu Rong: Agreed

Zhu Shuxian: The one that took his place? I thought that was Wang Cheng.

Zhu Yi: I was lazy and didn't bother bringing him down.

Zhu Yue: Good?

Zhu Zan: Zhen I'd say because if he was linked to ZHen, he was probably on a side unique to Zhen and not Cao Cao.

Zhu Zhan: Probably not.

Zhu Zhi: Sure

Zhuge Dan: If Zhuge Liang didn't have the power of omniscience on his side, this is what would've happened to him. Good for supporting the state over the Simas or neutral?

Zhuge Gui: Agreed

Zhuge Jin: Pretty much agreed all around, I wasn't really sure what to do as he apparently had influence, a high rank, but wasn't noted for much.

Zhuge Jing: Should've been shamed at the effort Wu put forth to fail to save him.

Zhuge Jun: Sure

Zhuge Ke: The stats seem a nice middle ground for where I first had him then later had him. I'm kinda tempted Inspire since e was trying to do that at Shou Chun, but ultimately that failed.

Zhuge Pan: Agreed

Zhuge Qian: Agreed

Zhuge Qiao: Agreed

Zhuge Shang: Nice son.

Zhuge Xing: I thought the clan was executed? In any case I like his thoughts when he sees a giant army.

Zong Yu: I wonder if him and Liao Hua really did die on the march to the capital or if that was propaganda spread.

Zong Ziqing: Sneaky

Lady Zou: Ahh Cao Cao the man who can't control his libido.

Zou Dan: Nice failure.

Zou Jing: Agreed

Zou Lin: Agreed

Zou Qi: Most then

Zou TuoI'd guess he opposed in 196, was beat back, then finally died in 199.

Zu: For a truely random skill, Rockslide. :p

Zu Bi: So do we blame him for the 15 seals that popped up around the country? I'm willing to bet he made a new one every time he lost one.

Zu Lang: Neutral because he joined Sun Ce's staff?

Zu Mao: Historically smarter.

Zu Shan: Sure

Zuo Chang: Agreed

Zuo Chengzu: And Kong Rong didn't like to rule either, he just liked to study, so such actions would've been smart.

Zuo Ci: I've wondered: Why are the Heroes always the heroes, when guys like Zuo Ci or Mi Heng or Liu Shan or whoever will without exception be picked up by someone?

Zuo Feng: Perhaps he didn't know what ramparts meant. Inconceivable.

Zuo Ling: Well in fairness he did help the Emperor escape later.

Zuo Xian: Surprised he didn't earn Bei's wrath.

Zuo Xiao: You could say that for many.

Zuo Ziyi: Agreed

Zuo Zizhangba: Needs a handlebar mustache

Non-Han guys: I'll handle them when I get back from Taiwan assuming the Sim hasn't started by then.

As always, been fun reading through all of this, hopefully the skills don't change too much next version (outside of Flood and Rockslide folded into Terrain) so it'll be easier just going through and not having to change everyone back and forth.

Qian: Ok with the men thing I would give Loyalty (e) and shoot it back up to 83 or so. Think Dong didn't kill him out of respect as it says, not sure Dong feared or liked but he could be something of a lover of famed guys

Zhi Xi: I imagine I was going as "he doesn't think it worth making moral stands."

Zhu Gongdao: He was drunk, made a pass at Guo Yuan's wife Whoever was controlling city at the time felt Jia Kui was a threat so locked him up

Zhu Shuxian: Probably

Zhu Yue: I would go neutral, plotting for the Han is not nescrially a good thing and he doesn't do something so amazingly brave ala Ji Ping.

Zhuge Dan: Neutral, sort of Han/Cao thing but with Sima's controlling Cao. Also given his help putting down anti Sima rebels, I'm a tad skeptical.

Zhuge Xing: Wouldn't surprise me but nothing is mentioned

Zhuo: I have no idea, figured it would be an int one.

Zong Yu: Two ways I see it can happen. They are old, the travel isn't going to be good and the shock and changes, plus naturally going to be upset, believable they both died. Of course given what had gone on, as long as Liu Shan wasn't murdered, I really doubt Wei Guan was investigating too hard. I do vaguely recall something suggesting there was murder but very vague

Zu: sod it, I'm doing that

Zu Bi: I bet after the 15th time, Wei blocked him from traveling outside the capital.

Zuo Ci: I'll probably shuffle the hero pack next game, throw in a mystic. Might do Shan there but would anyone touch him for statting? Other then us and Tian

Qian: Have mine with 90 since I still find Dong having too much respect to harm you outright one of those "This guy must be popular" things, like not having to pay a fine for office, on top of the loyalty of men. 83's fine though.