kinz wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:38 pm:In the context of the current discussion, we are saying the same thing. By far your best chance to get a probowl player is in the top 10 or so picks. And your chances of getting one there are pretty good, probably 50%. Reggies good picks have by far come from here. The current conversation is about trading up to get a player if Reggie feels its a hit with the cost being a 3rd. How is what you are presenting as argument anything but confirmation of such a trade being a good idea? If Reggie can nab a guy he is confident as being the real deal at #6 then the 3rd is pretty much irrelevant.

I mean you're pretty much explaining the thought process behind why one should trade up, so I'm not disagreeing there. The question is whether a Mack is up there. I like Chubb, but I'm not convinced he's a generational talent...which is why I'd rather have as many picks as possible for this draft in particular. It's a shame the class is so weak on a down year when we have a top 10 selection.

NoThanksSir wrote Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:55 am:I mean you're pretty much explaining the thought process behind why one should trade up, so I'm not disagreeing there. The question is whether a Mack is up there. I like Chubb, but I'm not convinced he's a generational talent...which is why I'd rather have as many picks as possible for this draft in particular. It's a shame the class is so weak on a down year when we have a top 10 selection.

For a 3rd rounder I’d do it - though I really doubt the jets would take that offer. I mean the bills gave up a 1st to move up 2 spots to get Watkins. The only way a 3rd is in the question is if this draft is likened to 2013 when we took a 2nd rounder to move from 3-12 with the dolphins - that draft was considered a bad one almost the entire way through and I think ansah is probably the only notable 1st rounder from that year. I don’t think this draft is as bad so I’m not buying a 3rd as enough to move up from 9/10 to 6.

With that being said if that was all it took I’d do it - Chubb may not be Mack caliber as a prospect but I think he’s easily the safest edge rusher in this draft and you know his technique and power is going to convert well to the nfl from day one. The other options I don’t think you can say that for - key has baggage and injury concerns, Landry is undersized and will struggle against the run and bigger tackles, Davenport played tackles that will not be drafted.

imthedan wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:38 pm:It's not really giving up two 1sts, though. They swapped 1sts, gave a future 1st and a 4th.

There was also circumstances to that trade that actually deal with us. The Browns didn't really give a shit because they just wanted out of the pick. The big deal was we followed that pick and we were rumored to want Watkins. The Bills had to leapfrog us to make the pick, so they were willing to pay quite a bit.

Plus, Watkins as a prospect, was on a different level than Chubb is. Watkins hasn't really done as well as everyone thought he was going to do, but at the time he was seen as one of the better prospects in awhile to come out at WR. Chubb isn't seen on that level -- He's not seen as a Clowney coming out of school.

I'm confident that we could make the trade with the Jets for a 3rd -- and I'd do it. Every other prospect I've been high on just doesn't really fit what I thought we wanted. I really wanted Joshua Jackson, but he doesn't seem to have the man skill that we'd need here.

In other words, Watkins was more hyped. Watkins and Chubb are more alike as prospects. Elite skill wise, a tier below elite physically.

imthedan wrote Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:48 pm:Assuming Chubb dropped to #6 at the Jets pick, would you trade up? He almost certainly is going to be drafted by the Bucs at #7.

Jets would still be able to get their QB at #9 or #10 because the Bucs, Bears and 9ers aren't taking a QB.

Chubb is the best edge rushing on the board, and probably best overall defensive player on the board (if not the best overall). Getting him on the opposite side of Mack would be amazing, especially in this scheme.

In most years I'd be against trading up. This year I might feel differently - I won't comment on the players, as I don't know as much about them as others on here. However if there's a player who is going to be a difference maker and we have a real role for him that can help us then trading up would be a good plan this year. We (likely) have 11 draft picks, even if a number are in the 6th round, and we likely don't want 11 rookies on the roster. In a way, we already have 2 rookies on the roster in Conley and Obi, because they barely played in their true rookie seasons.

chucker wrote Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:04 am:In most years I'd be against trading up. This year I might feel differently - I won't comment on the players, as I don't know as much about them as others on here. However if there's a player who is going to be a difference maker and we have a real role for him that can help us then trading up would be a good plan this year. We (likely) have 11 draft picks, even if a number are in the 6th round, and we likely don't want 11 rookies on the roster. In a way, we already have 2 rookies on the roster in Conley and Obi, because they barely played in their true rookie seasons.

I think Chubb will be a monster (but we all know its a crap shoot). Having a legitimate 2nd pass rusher changes the entire defense. Look what has happened to the Bolts. Our scheme obviously sucked, so our D will automatically be better. However, our once in a generation defender needs help and Chubb is the perfect compliment. There is no denying that we also have to help out our secondary. I think it would be a no brainer to trade up for him. I previously said I would only give a player (Richard because the Jets have no RB's) and no picks. Lets throw a 6th round pick and get this done. Its a good trade for both teams.

Jmug23 wrote Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:15 am:Man, not to disparage the kid, but he looks like he has zero muscle on that frame. Curious what his combine numbers will be.

I was on Key and Landry until we fired KNJr. as I thought the system could change. Now that we know the system is changing to a full time 4-3, I'm not interested in them. Unfortunately, the guy I liked from the beginning, Bradley Chubb, has in a strange twist of fate since been elevated to top 5 status, thus putting him outside our reach.