I think the fact that you look at an article about the frankly sickening amount of rape occurring and you focus on males being raped (as opposed to, you know, people being raped) is a bit of a problem. You should be asking yourself how we can reduce the disgustingly high numbers of rapes that occur, rather than having a huge inter-gender pissing contest to show men as being the ones who are really hard done.

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Yes because our culture still expects men to be physically dominant, causing greater shame in a man admitting to being a victim of rape or assault by a woman.

Still, Yeah Bro has a point, using this article as sort of a "men are raped too!" message is kind of disgusting when your topic title is basically "Women are 14 times as likely to be raped as men."

There's both male and female victims of rape, and it's an awful and horrific thing regardless who the victim is. The report that statistically a full 20% of the women in the US are expected to have been victims of it is just an absolute failure of both the US legal system and a moral failure of the culture itself.

edited 15th Dec '11 12:18:02 AM by culex2

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It could be worse. There are cultures in the heart of darkness (i.e. the Amazon) in which capturing and raping a woman from a rival tribe is required of males if they want their tribe to consider them adults. Said woman is then forced into marrying her rapist and raising him a family. Heck, this is how things worked in most primitive cultures - the Bible even has a passage dedicated to explaining the penalties of rape, which includes being forced to marry the woman and giving her father a remittance. And in some parts of the middle east, women who are found to be victims of rape are stoned to death, for failing to be chaste.

Also, some species of primates are even more violent than humans. The rhesus macaque, for example - few males of the species make it to adulthood without getting an ear or a finger or two bitten off, and incidents of matings where the females resisted is something as high as 70%.

@Yeah Yes I understand were your coming from. However he is bringing up a good question. although I think about 20% of the Male on Female rape cases are fraudulent in some way. Simply because rape is viewed as an extremely terrible crime and it's the perfect form of revenge against your significant other. That and the stigma of Female on Male rape that exists that prevents men from reporting to the police.

I think the fact that you look at an article about the frankly sickening amount of rape occurring and you focus on males being raped (as opposed to, you know, people being raped) is a bit of a problem. You should be asking yourself how we can reduce the disgustingly high numbers of rapes that occur, rather than having a huge inter-gender pissing contest to show men as being the ones who are really hard done.

I don't think so. As a culture, we said for years that homosexuality was wrong, things changed and so did sentiments. As a culture, we said for years that racial minorities were inferior, things changed so did sentiments. We need to find the cultural root cause of sexual violence and its alarming frequency and we need to act on it to make our culture one that instills in youth the fundamental wrongness of sexual crime. Now, I have my own theories as to why sex crimes are so high in the US, but I would like to see someone with an education do the research. And I think it is very defeatist to say: "Shit happens. Suck it up."

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@Yeah Bro a lot of the cultural problems come from victim blaming and slut shaming. Look at the Sandusky case, some of the (alleged) victims have been blamed and threatened because of the case leading to Paterno's firing.

Or much more common, every time a rape or sexual assault case is being discussed and someone's posted or thought "well maybe if she didn't dress provocatively or go out drinking"(btw anyone that thinks this way is a bad person) which still happens a lot when rape cases are discussed on internet news sites or forums.

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Yeah, commas are used in place of decimal points in much of Europe, which always confused me in my short, stupid time in Spain. (Four weeks of acting like a twat towards Spanish people. Not the proudest moment of my life)

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Despite what I said earlier I do think it's kind of terrifying that 20% or so women are raped instead of the 2% of men. It makes me really think about our culture. In fact I just came to the realization that I've said some pretty awful things about women. Now I understand things more.

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I think you are misinterpreting what PHC is saying. He is saying that it is alarming that so many people get raped and that so many of those people are women. I doubt anyone would argue that more people should be raped in order to make it fair.

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I don't always trust statistics, because I don't always trust the scientific community. That said, these particular statistics mostly make sense.

Male rape victims and male victims of non-contact unwanted sexual experiences reported predominantly male perpetrators. Nearly half of stalking victimizations against males were also perpetrated by males. Perpetrators of other forms of violence against males were mostly female

That makes sense. I tend to attribute differing attitudes to stalking and rape based on gender to the notion; which probably has at least some truth even if as a self-fulfilling prophecy; that guys on average aren't as likely to mind being stalked by a girl, and are more open to sexual encounters (ie. less likely to be unwilling in the first place) with given girls than girls are with guys.

Male concern about getting raped tends to be associated with the rape at the hands of other males associated with prison. Not about some woman wanting sex with him and him being unwilling and her being willing to force it on him all in the same encounter, and even that, at least to heterosexual guys, probably doesn't seem as horrid as the idea of being forced into sex with another guy.

But for other forms of violence? I see little reason for males to be the main perpetrators. They're supposedly more inclined to violence; though even that doesn't seem as strong as differences in sexual desire; but violence is often a means to another end anyway.

What I find interesting is that of the men who were raped, twice as many were raped before age 10 as in women.

Well, yeah. Both in the context of female perpetrators (the "wouldn't be unwilling in the first place" stereotype doesn't make as much sense to apply to those who haven't hit puberty) and male perpetrators (pedophiles are known to go after males for the perception that they are "easy targets") that is to be expected.

I haven't read the whole report yet, but I wonder whether female-on-male rape is underreported.

Possibly. Again, there's probably some truth to the stereotypes the double standards on that subject are based on, but I doubt it's to the extent society makes it out to be.

Also, is this referring specifically to forcible rape, or does it also include things treated as equivalent to rape under the law, like sex with the underage, sex with the intoxicated, etc...?

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