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I feel that the government has been keeping a secret from the world. They have a cure for AIDS. I believe they want to "weed out" as many gay people in the world as possible. I have talked to others-that i know about this-they agree with me. It is not a crazy way of thinking. Only thing is.....i can't prove it. I want as many people has possible to give me their thoughts on this.

The government HAS only reasons to find a cure. HIV healthcare is very expensive and we know that many programs are in trouble now. A cure would solve most of the finanical issues. With all due respect, this is a conspiracy theory that makes no sense. Are you saying that President Obama knows there is a cure, but is in on the conspiracy?

I feel that the government has been keeping a secret from the world. They have a cure for AIDS. I believe they want to "weed out" as many gay people in the world as possible. I have talked to others-that i know about this-they agree with me. It is not a crazy way of thinking. Only thing is.....i can't prove it. I want as many people has possible to give me their thoughts on this.

Exactly who are "they" who both have the cure, yet want to use HIV to wipe out gays? You should have posted this in the conspiracy thread, it surely would have received top honors.

I agree with you 100% and I'll even go as far as to say they made the virus to kill the president, he's African American by the way. I once read a brochure a lady gave me at a truckstop and it said "The World will end on October 15, 2010", so I thank my higher power (a 1935 Seth Thomas Chime Clock) that the fucking man made viral infection didn't get us first!!

Learning that the U.S. government has done horrible and evil things in the past gives much life to these conspiracy theories. We all just learned what we did in Guatemala and we already knew about what we did to blacks here. I've already heard many say the U.S. didn't do these things to good 'ol Christian white folks, but to people they felt were less desirable. And, I've already heard many wondering whether the U.S. is still doing these experiments--even possibly giving HIV to people to experiment on them in conjunction with pharmaceutical companies.

But as I said, the government cares about where money is going. Even the most evil in government care more about having to fund HIV healthcare. So, even they would want a cure in order to free up that HIV money for more tax cuts and wars.

AGAIN, we have found evidence of HIV infection form the 1920s. You REALLY think that A) there was an awareness of the Gay Menace and B) We had the scientific prowess to pull off such a targeted pandemic in the 1920s?

Really?

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

Yeah, if they wanted to get rid of gays and other undersirables they'd just go out and shoot them and be done with it.

And, why bother creating and giving us access to medication that prolongs our life.

Seriously. As it stands, I can live a long, draining-on-society life thanks to the meds. Hooray!

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

Another little flaw with this theory is that many countries are working on a cure, not just the United States. The person or team who finds a cure is not only going to make HUGE amounts of money but they're going to have world fame as a hero and a genius and be immortalized in history books.

AGAIN, we have found evidence of HIV infection form the 1920s. You REALLY think that A) there was an awareness of the Gay Menace and B) We had the scientific prowess to pull off such a targeted pandemic in the 1920s?

Really?

It was created during WWI by teh Germans. They tried to perfect it during WWII by experimenting on the pink triangle prisoners. The history books don't wanna say anything about it.

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"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

I feel that the government has been keeping a secret from the world. They have a cure for AIDS. I believe they want to "weed out" as many gay people in the world as possible. I have talked to others-that i know about this-they agree with me. It is not a crazy way of thinking. Only thing is.....i can't prove it. I want as many people has possible to give me their thoughts on this.

Welcome to the Forums.My thoughts on your conspiracy theory is that its not true. It is not and never was a "gay" disease.

Rather than you making all of us jump through hoops and spending time refuting your belief, why don't you go out on a wire and spend some time and effort and thought to explain exactly why you believe such a thing.

In the end, I think such declarations are selfish and lazy. Seems like you are baiting the forum.

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ďFrom each, according to his ability; to each, according to his needĒ 1875 K Marx

Give SS a break. 1) it is his or her second post, 2) he or she clearly stated it was an opinion, 3) it is a common belief, right up there with getting HIV from kissing, and 4) other forum members were not getting worked up about it, they were having fun. Calling someone "selfish and lazy" as soon as they post something attacks the person rather than the issue and is not a way to win friends.

You've never met people who think HIV was developed by the government? It was really big in the 1980s. Given the recent stories about syphilis testing I'm not surprised to see this myth resurface.

Ya know it's going to become really en vogue to believe in that sort of thing. If Big Bruva is giving STDs to the Third World why not give something more sinister to teh gays?

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"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

Miss p it is a thought shared by quite a few. The link I posted is just one of many that exists. People even in the medical professional share this belief. Again, as I don't personally believe this, there are many more sites with this kind conspiracy theory fodder.

That's unfortunately how conspiracy theories work.. governments do lie, so for some people it means all are susceptible.

The Guatemala case, as reprehensible and immoral as it was, did have a "purpose" - searching for a preventive treatment. Prostitutes already with syphilis were sent to prisons to spread the virus among prisoners, and when this method was not enough to spread the STD to a large enough number of "subjects", the bacteria was injected directly into prisoners and even to mental patients in asylums. Since all the infected subjects were locked up, they (1) could be studied and monitored easily and (2) couldn't spread the disease to the larger population (or even back to the US). While it's not known whether the researchers cared about the general public health on moral ground, other than for reason (1), it could be deduced at least they must have considered all the potential social/political problems if they were found out.

But spreading a STD in New York that could be spread by anal and vaginal intercourses in the 70s, where and when sexual promiscuity was rampant among both straights, gays and not to mention the "conduits" who were bisexual, gays in the closet with wives/girlfriends, gays for paid or just the plain curious? And then we still haven't included the IV drug users..

If one is to believe this "theory" there should at least be less intellectually lazy reasons.. methink..

Miss p it is a thought shared by quite a few. The link I posted is just one of many that exists. People even in the medical professional share this belief. Again, as I don't personally believe this, there are many more sites with this kind conspiracy theory fodder.

I know it exists, lots of things do on the internet, etc. -- I'm just saying I've not met anyone personally that believes it.

Miss p it is a thought shared by quite a few. The link I posted is just one of many that exists. People even in the medical professional share this belief. Again, as I don't personally believe this, there are many more sites with this kind conspiracy theory fodder.

You are totally right, Camms. I know a few heads who believe this (both the fact that HIV was manufactured by some evil power, and that teh Cure exists and is being withheld by evil pharma in order to regulate some undesirable populations). One of my best friends was convinced by some documentary (based on a book called 'The River') that HIV came as a byproduct of the polio vaccine experiments in Africa. Sordid stuff it is.

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"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

You are totally right, Camms. I know a few heads who believe this (both the fact that HIV was manufactured by some evil power, and that teh Cure exists and is being withheld by evil pharma in order to regulate some undesirable populations). One of my best friends was convinced by some documentary (based on a book called 'The River') that HIV came as a byproduct of the polio vaccine experiments in Africa. Sordid stuff it is.

IIRC the deal in "The River" was that the virus happened from non-HIV vaccine work in Africa decades ago (50's or so) where they used a certain kind of chimpanzee or something and was an accident, not an intentional government conspiracy to kill off blacks and gays. Big difference (though I'm sure my details are faulty).

Rev- not to get off subject, but not only did they report that HIV comes from a variation of the polio vaccine, also now causes cancer. Which is in the second article I posted, I believe. But that the polio vaccination has about a zillion theories behind that too!

IIRC the deal in "The River" was that the virus happened from non-HIV vaccine work in Africa decades ago (50's or so) where they used a certain kind of chimpanzee or something and was an accident, not an intentional government conspiracy to kill off blacks and gays. Big difference (though I'm sure my details are faulty).

You are correct, my dearest historian. If I'm not mistaken the conspiracy around it came when some scientist who believed in this theory tried to defend his position (I believe in England) and died under mysterious circumstances. All of this came after Rolling Stone published some article in the early to mid 90s. I bet that if one googles "the river" and HIV together there is additional info about this book and this conspiracy theory.

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"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

Give SS a break. 1) it is his or her second post, 2) he or she clearly stated it was an opinion, 3) it is a common belief, right up there with getting HIV from kissing, and 4) other forum members were not getting worked up about it, they were having fun. Calling someone "selfish and lazy" as soon as they post something attacks the person rather than the issue and is not a way to win friends.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

dont worry matty- i am not scared of anyone-especially from all the wimps on this website.

That's good to hear. Wimps can be very frightening people. I'm not scared of wimps either but I am scared of Funnel Web Spidars.

Funnel Webs have big fangs and terrible attitudes. In that respect they're not unlike the rather ironically named Mercy Nuns.

My friend was bitten by a Funnel Web. Well, not really. He was caned by a Mercy Nun when we were at school together, but the effect was much the same. His dog, however, was bitten by a Funnel Web later that year during in the school holidays. Which is why we were always told to wear shoes when we went outside in the summer time. Of course, we never did. Childhood isn't about wearing shoes, is it? It's about playing barefoot in the grass and swimming and teasing the funny smelling foreign kids down the street who eat weird food at playtime.

But I digress. Scooby (the dog's name, not my friend's name) died a rather awful death as a result of that spidar bite. Fitting and foaming at the mouth and carrying on. I often think back to that and wonder if Scooby might have been a bit of a conspiracy theorist himself.

their are people on these forums who say un-intellegent things. thats a fact. know your facts before spewing them out to thousands of people.

Facts are funny things. My Uncle Ron, who was a sailor, always used to say that "facts are the little bit of skin between the muckhole and the fuckhole and if you slip you're in the shit and that's a fact." My Nanna always said that we should leave Uncle Ron alone if he had just taken his medicine.

His medicine smelled like rum. Which makes sense, him having been a sailor and all.

I can see you're an assertive person who doesn't take crap from anyone. This is an admirable thing, even if you get it wrong from time to time and mistake kindly advice for crap.

Did you take a course in assertiveness? I almost did. There were these people handing out leaflets in the street which had titles like "Unlock Your True Potential!" and "Psychiatry: Killing Our Youth!" and "Does This Skirt Make My Body Thetan Look Fat?"

They seemed very friendly and offered me a free personality assessment. Imagine that! A free personality assesment! I was just about to say "Yes please! I would very much like a free personality assessment!" and go with them to their office just down the way a bit when my friend (not the owner of the unfortunate Scooby another friend) pulled me aside and said they were from a cult run by Tom Cruise.

Well that gave me pause for thought. I've never liked his movies very much and he did treat Nicole very badly so I thought it better to decline politely and continue on to the bus stop.