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Advanced Bathmate Training

If you've used the the Bathmate on a consistent basis for more than 6 months and/or are a veteran to jelqing and manual stretching- you might have found that your gains are slowing down or seemingly stopped altogether.

You also might be interested in how some guys take their Bathmate pumping to the next level in order to break plateaus and encourage further growth.

As of today, I have gained slightly over 2" in length and nearly equal to 1.5" in girth. (I'm about 7.3" x 6.1" post pumping session, see videos below) (I'm 7.5" at 8% BF and 7.0" at 18% BF, body fat makes a significant difference)

This page is my best effort to track gains via pictures through the past few years.

Using this combination is the most efficient way on planet Earth to achieve that 2+ inches.

There is a chance that your gains plateau or significantly slow after you eclipse your first inch.

The experimental methods discussed below can possibly help surpass whatever 'ceiling' that you might have thought you had.

I am currently using both these methods.

This type of experimental pumping began at MattersOfSize.com, the wine stoppers that I refer to have changed in shape and size somewhat. You can't fold them over the Bathmate valve anymore, but the TLC skin cone makes attaching it possible.

Disclaimer

Nothing stated below, including the text, pictures or videos is medical advice or a method of use approved by manufacturers, vendors or affiliates of items herein. The content below is subject to our Medical Disclaimer. Consult your physician before beginning or modifying any male enhancement routine.

Jelqing Prior to Bathmate Pumping

I encourage newbies to wait AT LEAST 4 hours after jelqing to use the Bathmate.

Here is why-

Properly warming up and jelqing expands the tissue in your penis.

Following up a jelqing session with pumping is expands that partially-fatigued issue even further.

While this can certainly can benefit more experienced guys, newbie should not consider doing this until they have at least 6 months of Bathmate experience.

I suggest experienced guys start slowly.

A reasonable routine might look like this-

Jelqing

Bathmate

Week 1 (4 days)

5 minutes

6-8 minutes

Week 2 (4 days)

8-10 minutes

8-10 minutes

Week 3 (4-5 days)

10-12 minutes

10-12 minutes

Week 4 (4-5 days)

12-15 minutes

12+ minutes

Again, if you have never jelqed immediately before a Bathmate session, you'll be surprised of how intense it will be.

When I first tried it, I didn't last longer than about 6 minutes. My dick was well-trained too.

Bathmate Only Newbie Routine

This routine is if you have no prior male enhancement experience and only want to use the Bathmate.

The purpose of this Bathmate routine is to get your dick used to the pump in the safest manner possible. It also will get you familiar with the device so you can adjust your routine accordingly after 4 weeks. It should also get you some gains, or at the very least- on your way to gains. :)

Please read the directions that come with your Hydropump and talk to your doctor before using the Bathmate.

Learn how to use the pump and use good judgement. :)

Remember- the first month is mainly about getting used to the pump.

The good news is- it is VERY EASY for newbies to make gains.

Use this routine if you just got the Bathmate.

We recommend waiting 30 days to start using a FULL erection during training.

Bathmate Only Newbie Routine

Minutes

Erection Level

Week 1

8

n/a

Week 2

12

n/a

Week 3

8 to 10

70%

Week 4

10 to 12

70%

Week 5 - Week 10

12+

100%

Week 1

Enter the Bathmate in the soft (flaccid) state, leave the Bathmate on for 8 miuntes. Full pressure. Do this every-other-day.

Week 2

Enter the Bathmate in the soft (flaccid) state, leave the Bathmate on for 12 minutes. Full pressure. Do this every-other-day.

Week 3

Enter the Bathmate with a 70-80% erection, leave the Bathmate on for 8-10 minutes. Full pressure. Do this every-other-day.

Week 4

Enter the Bathmate with a 70-80% erection, leave the Bathmate on for 10-12 minutes. Full pressure. Do this every-other-day or 2 days ON and 1 day OFF.

Week 5 and Beyond

Enter the Bathmate with a full erection, leave the Bathmate on for 12+ minutes. Adjust your routine (pressure, frequently) accordingly. By now, your penis is pretty used to the Bathmate.

You will notice that the 'temporary gains' or "PUMP" sticks around longer when you use a strong erection. For the first 2 weeks, you probably won't get a HUGE PUMP that keeps your dick swole and hung for 4-24hours. Just work up to it.

When you start using a FULL erection in your Bathmate- you will begin to see the HUGE pump that Bathmate is known (notorious) for. :)

Everyone loves the temporary pump and raves about it, so if you really want to see what I mean and you haven't finished the first 2 weeks of training, do this- Enter the Bathmate with a full erection, leave the Bathmate on for 5-6 minutes, don't go too long. You'll see that you dick is as wide as ever. I don't suggest using a full erection in this Bathmate routine until you've used the thing for about a month. But that's what you have to look forward to, a thick dick that hangs and swings for the majority of the day. It takes about 5-6 months to achieve that [nearly] all day, lasting, perpetual pump that you can use during sex. It's at about the 5-6 month period when most guys notice that their gains are sticking (becoming permanent), just keep using this device and enjoy the daily pump.

At the one month mark, you can also start to incorporate "Bathmate Pulls" (or stretches) into your Bathmate routine. These target length and specifically, the internal penis.

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If you are a newbie and have any questions about this Bathmate routine, please ask below-

By September of this year, Phil will likely be at or possibly EXCEEDING gains of TWO INCHES.

To put that in perspective, I have done PE on and off (most off) for nearly a decade and that is basically what I've achieved in length. Back when I started, however, their weren't sick devices like the Bathmate and Sizegenetics. I truly believe this is the ultimate combo if you dedicate yourself and invest your time. Perhaps the most remarkable thing is- Phil has done this nearly HANDS-FREE. Not too much manual stretching and not too much jelqing. Just the devices, for the most part.

Notable also, Phil has achieved these gains while working at his music studio where he has to bend down and pick up heavy boxes of records and studio equipment. He has also been taking the fat burner "Lipodrene" on a daily basis. Supplements like these can significantly restrict blood flow to the penis, he'd probably have 2" by now if it weren't for that.

Either way, his results are incredible and he is a nominee for "Loser of the Year 2013," a title that is much deserved, should he win. He might be one of those rare guys that gets gains up to THREE INCHES when it is all said an done.

I feel confident in recommending his "Hands-Free Semi-Automatic PE Routine" to you guys who have used both devices for AT LEAST 6 weeks.

The Routine

This routine is meant just for weekdays (Monday-Friday), you can do it more - but I'm just going by what I've done.

If you do combine it with manual exercise for the duration of the work week, I encourage you to take the weekends off.

I think resting on weekends was key, after all- when you REST, you GROW.

I have found it's quite beneficial to pump with the Bathmate before Sizegenetics because it keeps it tight and the stretch is noticeably stronger. This is what you should be doing anyway- Sizegenetics keeps your penis from "turtling" and encourages blood flow to the length of your penis (even though toward the end of sessions it might feel otherwise).

Since doing this routine, I have actually seen the most gains and significant improvement in both girth and length. Especially in flaccid hang.

This routine might sound simple- it is. Lets "Keep Perspective on Male Enhancement" and remind ourselves that THIS IS NOT BRAIN SURGERY. At the end of the day (and hopefully throughout the day) is it SIMPLY PULLING ON YOUR DICK.

THE MORE YOU PULL, THE MORE YOU GROW. (provided that you do so safely and allow adequate time for rest).

LADIES(?) AND GENTLEMEN - KEEP IT SIMPLE

Sizegenetics Tips

Here are some tips to make your Sizegenetics and Bathmate sessions as efficient and productive as possible-

Some guys, especially guys that are new to PE have trouble staying in the Sizegenetics Extender. Here's a suggestion-Prior to putting your penis in the extender, warm up your dick and achieve a 30-40% erection. This is just to get some healthy blood into it and to also give you a little extra girth. In addition or separately- you could also do a short 5-6 minute Bathmate session to give you even more girth to start out with. This helps out guys that don't quite have the girth to make it 60 minutes in the Sizegenetics Extender. It is explained in further detail- here.

Some guys that do long sessions may experience pinching or feel like their skin is raw or chafed toward the later parts of the session, this is what I do to prevent it-If you buy the full package, there is a foam ring that comes with it. Use it. Put it on below your shaft where the comfort strap goes over your dick. This will make it almost impossible to get any pinching whatsoever. And, also- for dudes with more sensitive skin on their dick (like myself) it will help a lot more with discomfort and also with getting chafed from the rubber.

Here is another thing I do that also makes the slippage non-existent-Try this- fold up 2-3 sheets of toilet paper and fit it right into the plastic piece where your dick goes. This will give you a bit more girth in that area and a little more friction so the head of your dick stay's in place and doesn't slip out while trying to wear it for long periods of time. People want to know how I can pick up of heavy boxes of studio equipment. Well, there ya go.

Bathmate Tips

It's important to expand your penile tissue as much as possible. That's how you create division and grow thicker-Always use the hottest water your skin and dick can handle. This is important. The hotter the water is- the better your girth and tissue expansion will be during your session. Don't burn yourself though.

Some people are concerned about discoloration. This is how I've seemingly prevented myself from getting the red dots and or purple blotches on my cock-I start my session by pumping until I feel a good tug of pressure on my dick in the Bathmate. I don't pump again until I don't feel the pressure. Then I pump until I feel it again. Repeat this until you are at the point where no more water is coming out, this is when you are up to full pressure. By this point the pressure and suction should be tight enough to where you can just let it hang from your dick (if you're in the shower of course). (Good Looking Loser says: obviously I don't mind the discoloration or the "PE Band," but warming up and pumping slower seems to be the way to prevent it. My discoloration was from jelqing however, I don't mind it one bit.)

For you guys not getting solid suction-Make sure you are either trimmed or totally shaved the area you are using the Bathmate. Trim your balls too (the hair)! This will make a significant improvement and ensure that you get the best seal and suction.

Here's another tip for suction and to keep more water in the pump-When you do pump the Bathmate point, it in a more upward-angle like your natural boner would be. This also helps with the best suction and best seal.

For you guys that experience some air bubbles, don't freak out-If you do have a slight air bubble at the top of the pump that is okay. But to get the most amount of water it takes practice and timing to get the pump on without losing much water at all. I know it took me a good week or two to get it down. You want to keep as much water in the pump as possible, that is a key component of the suction.

For you guys that are having trouble keeping your balls out of the way, remember-The angled part on the Hercules, Goliath and X30 goes on the underside of your dick. It's there to give your balls more protection. But there's no harm in trying it the other way around, the X30 and X40 can rotate. Find you best angle.

If you have problems getting an erection while starting your Bathmate session, try this-Bring in a laptop into the bathroom and throw some porn on. I, personally, jerk off a little with soap and that get's me rock hard for my sessions. I just think about my girlfriends sexy ass and BAM- in 30 seconds I am ready to go. (note: if you can't get a boner and you usually can, it's a sign of fatigue. Take 24-48 hours off until you can get a good erection again.)

If you guys are super ambitious for gains- Consider jelqing before using the Bathmate or consider adding a second 10 minute Bathmate session sometime after your first one. It can be at the beginning of the day or simply right after your initial session. Jelqing prior to Bathmate makes for an INTENSE workout. Start out with a quick 3 minute jelqing session and only do this if you DON'T feel fatigue from just using the Bathmate alone.

If you really want to MAX OUT, in addition to manual stretch and jelqing-I suggest looking into something such as the VLC Tugger or the divocup and divosuit to wear at nighttime. With a moderate stretch at night your dick can theoretically HEAL AND BE STRETCHED OUT ALL DAY. Some guys are able to wear Sizegenetics at night but we don't.

Good Looking Loser's Ultimate Newbie Bathmate Routine

It's a good idea to get familiar with jelqing and penis stretching before you begin this routine. Those links include demo videos for all of the exercises.

Remember- if you are new to male enhancement, you should gain VERY easily. Most guys tend to overtrain rather than undertrain in their first month.

The main goal of the first month is to safely prepare your penis for harder training, learn the exercises and get gains in the process.

You can jelq and stretch in whichever order you like. I prefer jelqing before stretching, but that is simply my preference. You should NEVER feel any pain.

Penis enhancement injuries only occur because either-

The guy wasn't warmed up enough.

The guy overtrains himself.

As a general rule of thumb- if you can't get a good erection, it's a sign that your penile tissue has not recovered. Take that day off. The next day reevaluate the situation.

Remember- your gains come when you REST and RECOVER, not while you are training. Do not become overzealous and begin training on the rest days. For the first month, do not jelq/stretch and use the Bathmate on the same day. That is FAR TOO much training for a newbie penis.

Beginning in the year 2000 and over the course of a decade, I have personally tried all of these methods. I recommend MANUAL STRETCHING and using a HIGH-QUALITY penis extender.

Both are easy, safe and productive.

Hanging, however, was the least productive of the three. While it was "hands-free," adding/remove weights and constantly adjusting the "hanger" was a hassle for me and didn't make it convenient to use. Hanging was seemingly unnecessary because I've grown over 1.75" in length without committing to hanging for any significant amount of time.

Jelqing and penis pumping will also promote length gains, but both methods are largely considered "girth" exercises. If you are new to male enhancement, however, both methods will add length to your penis.

Whichever methods that you use - the key is to be consistent and it takes some commitment.

How Does Penis Stretching Work?

Penis stretching devices or exercises function in 2 ways -

Expanding and rebuilding the spongy bodies of the penis which are known as the corpus spongiosum and the corpora cavernosa.

Lengthening the ligaments in the penis, the prominent one is the suspensory ligament.

An example of ligament stretching may be seen in the females who are part of the Padaung tribe of Myanmar. Called "Giraffe Women," they are commonly known for having extremely elongated necks. From childhood, these females wrap metal coils about their necks. Over a long time, as ever more coils are included, their necks are stretched to 10 inches or even more in length.

Theories About Penile Stretching

There are 2 commonly accepted theories which try to explain the mechanism of stretching of the penis that eventually lead to increased girth and length of the penis.

The basic principal in both theories is the same -

"If you apply an action toward any living tissue; those tissues will respond, changing automatically to accept the challenge."

This is not unlike how muscle tissue responds to resistance training. Penile (spongy) tissue is not identical to muscle tissue - but IT IS SIMILAR. If you stretch the penis at an intensity strong enough to safety stretch (and fatigue) the tissue, your penile tissue will go through these three processes -

Hypertrophy, a process by which you existing cells will get larger and stronger.

Hyperplasia, a process by which your body will generate new cells, increasing the amount of penile tissue you have.

Ligament extension, a process by which your tendons/ligaments become more pliable and flexible.

Hypertrophy From Penis Stretching

The gains you get, similar to natural bodybuilding, will be a product of hypertrophy. When you stretch your penile tissue with adequate resistance to near fatigue- the tissue will breakdown and sustain a significant amount of painless "micro-tears". This is the exact same thing that happens to skeletal muscle tissue when you lift weights. With proper nutrition and rest, these micro-tears heal (usually within 24-hours) and the tissue becomes both STRONGER and BIGGER. Consistently repeat this process will lead to a noticeably longer penis. This is the exact same way that you penis grows from jelqing as well.

Hyperplasia From Penis Stretching

Though most of your natural gains will be made via hypertrophy, there will be also be some degree of hyperplasia when your penile tissue regenerates after a workout. When the tissue is stretched, your body will also generate new cells to aid in repair. You can visualize this by imaging new cells literally attaching or filling in the micro-tear gaps. Like hypertrophy, the new cellular growth will result in a STRONGER and BIGGER penis. There is some debate of whether a significant amount of hyperplasia occurs when subjecting a tissue to resistance (penis stretching, lifting weights, etc.). I know from over a decade of experience that some does occur. My penis literally weighs more than it did when I started PE. A girl that I have had sex with over a decade even asked me if I "put something in my penis," since it is heavier and significantly fuller than had been. Again, the majority of your gains with be from hypertrophy and existing cells getting bigger, but you should experience some degree of natural hyperplasia. *Scroll to the bottom for an extended discussion on hyperplasia, genetic ceilings and performance enhancing drugs.

Thai Giraffe Woman, result is similar in principle to penis stretching

Ligament Extension From Penis Stretching

This is the most obvious and easiest to understand.

If you properly warm up and stretch your penile tissue, the ligaments surrounding the tissue and supporting your penis will also be stretched. Over time, like a rubber-band, they become more flexible and longer. These tendons and ligaments tend to be untrained and stubborn- most people can gain an inch or more just from extending the ligaments. You can put a significant amount of tension on your ligaments, it takes A LOT to tear or strain a ligament. As a rule of thumb- there shouldn't be any pain when you are stretching. Unlike jelqing which mainly works your penile tissue, manual stretching puts resistance on your penile ligaments.

How Do I Do These Exercises to Lengthen My Penis?

Before you do these exercises, you need to warm up. Warming up significantly reduces the chance of injury and also makes your penis ligaments looser and easier to stretch further. You would be certain to warmup before significantly stretching your legs- so don't treat this any different. It's just as important to warm up for penis stretching as it is for jelqing. Getting in the shower and letting the hot water run on your penis while you massage the area for 5 minutes gets the job done. Putting hot water on a towel and holding it on your penis for 30 seconds at a time, for about 2-3 minutes can work too. You penis should be elastic with a reasonable "hang" before you start. Make sure there's NO water or oil (from jelqing) on your penis, you want to have a nice solid grip and no slippage. Some people like using baby powder to enhance their grip. Remember, penis stretching is done in the FLACCID state but it's not a bad idea to have a ~10% erection so that you are stretching warm tissue. Every 4 or 5 minutes, restore some blood flow to your penis.

Basic Stretching Videos*These videos are Not Safe For Work*

There's a few different grips you can use and several different angles you to stretch toward. Each stretch is quite similar (this is not brain surgery - you are just pulling on your dick) but the variations will target different tendons. You are encouraged to stretch in all different directions to ensure the maximum gains.

Basic Double-Hand Grip Stretch

The most basic drill is to pull your penis outward/wherever and hold it for 30 seconds. Grab your penis with your dominant hand, with your thumb and index finger just below the head. Put your other hand on top. Now stretch your penis in the desired direction. Add pressure as feel you comfortable. You can pull it upwards, downward and sideways just the same.

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Single Overhand-Grip Stretch

This is simply an alternative to the basic stretch above. It puts resistance on the same ligaments. I do this stretch sometimes but I prefer the one above.

You can stretch in all different directions.

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Sideways Stretch (Usually Very Effective)

Pulling it sideways is valuable for working the side and lower ligaments. These ligaments are usually the most stubborn and untrained. Even if you own a penis extender or have been "hanging" weights, it is unlikely that you are putting much resistance on these ligaments. Arguably, this makes the sideways stretches the most beneficial and important.

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Behind the Legs Stretch

This stretch targets the upper and side ligaments. Giving flexibility (and additional length) to these ligaments will help your flaccid size and your overall hang.

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The Overhand V-Stretch

This stretch puts resistance on the upper ligaments. Some guys consider this an advanced stretch. I don't and think you can do it so long as you are careful about it.

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Rotating "Windmill" Stretch & Restoring Blood Flow

After every 4-5 minutes, you'll want to restore a little bit of blood flow to your penis. You can do this technique as a stretch or simply to restore blood flow. This is what "cranking" your penis means.

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Frequently Asked Questions

How hard should I be stretching my dick? I'm afraid I'm going to hurt myself...

First off- you NEVER WANT ANY PAIN.

If you feel any acute pain then you are either NOT WARMED UP or PULLING TOO HARD. Or both. Think of how you stretch your arms or legs- you don't stretch it to the point where it is painful. If you are just starting out, it's a good idea to start with a moderate stretch, just to get the "hang" of it. You can slowly incorporate some resistance you where you feel the tissue and ligament pulling a little bit. As you get more familiar with it, you'll want to stretch to the just before there is any pain. Again- you DON'T WANT PAIN, but you'll be stretching to the point just before it. How quickly will my penis tissue recover?

Most veterans, including myself, feel that penile tissue recovers faster than skeletal muscle tissue. The time frame is 24-48 hours, but it also depends on what other training (jelqing, pumping, extender, etc.) that you are doing. As a rule of thumb- if you can't get a good boner, take the day OFF. I have always followed that rule and I have had NO injuries and my erections are as powerful as ever. Also remember- like weightlifting, growth happens during your REST periods, not during your training periods. Taking days off, so long as you consistently training - will only help you. Unlike skeletal muscle tissue, however, don't expect your dick to be "sore" the following day. So long as you did a good workout at a tension that was both STRONG ENOUGH to feel a stretch but SAFE ENOUGH to produce pain- you did just fine. If you follow this beginner's routine- you will be fine.

Should I stretch my penis before or after jelqing?

This is up to you. I personally like jelqing before stretching because my tissue seems more flexible and my "hang" is already established. I make sure I get all the oil off from jelqing first.

What if I like one grip/stretch but not another?

In my opinion, it doesn't matter that much if you stick to one grip/stretch over another. The main thing is to do ALL the different angles.

How long will it take to see gains?This is my guess-

If you are a newbie- 6 to 8 weeks.

If you are a newbie and you are also jelqing- 4 to 6 weeks.

If you are a newbie and you are jelqing, using Bathmate and Sizegenetics- 2 to 4 weeks.

Since you don't have to maintain an erection, I suggest you watch TV or distract yourself with something HANDS-FREE to pass the time.

One way to add resistance to side stretches is to twist your torso OPPOSITE of the stretch.

Another way to add resistance is to do kegels (and hold them) during your stretches.

Consider experimenting with different grips aides- baby power, rubber gloves or a thin rag are helpful to some guys.

Stretching is done in a flaccid (0-30% erection) state. If you are sensitive and keep getting an erection, jerk off and then do your exercises. You'll find that you get a very deep stretch.

Please don't overthink this!

This is not rocket science (or brain surgery).

When you pull on your dick - it grows. Slowly.

The guys that are most successful are the guys that JUST DO IT.

It is also important that you have realistic expectations (1-2" over 12-24 months) and not think that you are going to increase your size 3" in 3 months.

* Hyperplasia (Quick Advanced Discussion)

The amount of hyperplasia (new penile tissue) you can generate will largely depend on your genetics. This is mainly relevant to experienced guys who have seemingly MAX'ed out their gains and would likely need hyperplasia-induced compounds such as insulin growth factor-1.

The interesting thing is- the amount hyperplasia you can experience isn't necessarily related to your starting size. Sometimes naturally smaller guys have penile tissue that responds extraordinarily well to growth compounds such as IGF-1 and actually have a greater growth potential Disclaimer: The contents of this page, such as text, graphics, images and other material are intended for informational and educational purposes only and not for the purpose of rendering medical advice. Please view our Medical Disclaimer that you agreed to upon clicking [x] I agree, when entering this site.

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