e0y2e3 wrote:Kinda funny that the dregs of Pure Football have come in here as the three muskateers and taken this place down ten notches.

Kudos Tree, Pros and SD.

SD:

Thanks ever so much , that means this grade three forum is now operating at minus seven if we go by your math.

Unfortunately you ladies been smellin your own pussies around here for too long , and think that stink don't smell like fish.

Shag is making $25 million per, he has us 20 million over the luxury tax and is 100% responsible for Gilbert losing $20 million a year even with the biggest star in Basketball and a packed house every game.

Mo is useless you must eat his sa;ary in a sign and trade and add someone who can play both ends of the floor.

Telfair is fast athletic and can play defense , in short everything Mo is not ,moreover Mo is Brons crutch he carries him and goes mutha Theresa when Mo pouts about his game .

Jamieson is optional ideally you clear his salary if you can if it frees up the space for the Predator in a sign and trade for expiring contracts or adding additional support , but he has size and can score so he's not a hard and fast go.

Shag and Z each have a foot in the grave , no way no how Shag comes back better , he can barely lift his big ass up and dunk now and he's in the best shape of his life in the last 4 years.

Love his toughness but the Cavs can ill afford to play that slow anymore .

Barkley has been calling for Browns head for three years before it became popular , the Cavs should score like the Pheonix suns with the ability to play defense .

The Predator can run like Noah in Chicago .

A Cavs contengent so built would be as effective as Hitlers tanks vs the polish calvary.

British_Pharaoh wrote:Next year we're still a playoff team even without LeBron

8th seed but still postseason B-ball

With current roster minus only LeBron this team wins 12 games, 50% chance of an 8th seed depending on what player would be acquired to attempt to fill LeBron's left shoe.

I'm not saying we would be great, but 12 wins or the Cavaliers moving in 3 years just is not happening IMO. I don't think, admitting I may not be right, that there were any rumors of the Cavaliers leaving Cleveland at any point after the team was sold to Gund.

Gilbert's casino is tying into this Cavaliers asset in one way or the other, and the casino will make much more money then his NBA franchise. Gilbert has clearly stated he is building a winning franchise regardless of LJ staying or going. It is his standard answer every time he is asked about the LBJ to New York thing...

Again I am not saying it's no problem, but be reasonable.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

e0y2e3 wrote:Kinda funny that the dregs of Pure Football have come in here as the three muskateers and taken this place down ten notches.

Kudos Tree, Pros and SD.

SD:

Thanks ever so much , that means this grade three forum is now operating at minus seven if we go by your math.

Unfortunately you ladies been smellin your own pussies around here for too long , and think that stink don't smell like fish.

Shag is making $25 million per, he has us 20 million over the luxury tax and is 100% responsible for Gilbert losing $20 million a year even with the biggest star in Basketball and a packed house every game.

Mo is useless you must eat his sa;ary in a sign and trade and add someone who can play both ends of the floor.

Telfair is fast athletic and can play defense , in short everything Mo is not ,moreover Mo is Brons crutch he carries him and goes mutha Theresa when Mo pouts about his game .

Jamieson is optional ideally you clear his salary if you can if it frees up the space for the Predator in a sign and trade for expiring contracts or adding additional support , but he has size and can score so he's not a hard and fast go.

Shag and Z each have a foot in the grave , no way no how Shag comes back better , he can barely lift his big ass up and dunk now and he's in the best shape of his life in the last 4 years.

Love his toughness but the Cavs can ill afford to play that slow anymore .

Barkley has been calling for Browns head for three years before it became popular , the Cavs should score like the Pheonix suns with the ability to play defense .

The Predator can run like Noah in Chicago .

A Cavs contengent so built would be as effective as Hitlers tanks vs the polish calvary.

SoulDawg

Shaq makes 20 million, not 25. The rest is a mix of poor prose, absurdity, and blind squirrel. However, chalk up another winner and victory...

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Also I watched those freaking Phills, Mills, and Hill games just like I watch these. I have a weakness for basketball and Cleveland sports team, and without a doubt in my mind this team, minus LeBron, is still far and ahead of those, (not coaching) and they were consistent 7-8 seeds. Again I am not claiming great, but 12 wins and gone in 3 years is absurd.

Sure Gilbert paid an awesome premium when he bought the Cavaliers, and losing LeBron would be a major blow, but in the time since Gilbert bought the team I am sure the overall value of even the worst NBA franchise has risen... That totally excludes his casino tie in...

Screw the culture. Screw the announcer screaming at you all night. Screw the music blasting.

Give me the Coyotes. Or the Thrashers, I don't care. Give me a new years day game at CBS. Give me games against Pittsburgh and Columbus.

Coyotes are going back to Winnipeg, and my money is on Atlanta moving up to Hamilton, Ontario.

Cleveland is pretty low on the NHL city list.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

e0y2e3 wrote:Kinda funny that the dregs of Pure Football have come in here as the three muskateers and taken this place down ten notches.

Kudos Tree, Pros and SD.

SD:

Thanks ever so much , that means this grade three forum is now operating at minus seven if we go by your math.

Unfortunately you ladies been smellin your own pussies around here for too long , and think that stink don't smell like fish.

Shag is making $25 million per, he has us 20 million over the luxury tax and is 100% responsible for Gilbert losing $20 million a year even with the biggest star in Basketball and a packed house every game.

Mo is useless you must eat his sa;ary in a sign and trade and add someone who can play both ends of the floor.

Telfair is fast athletic and can play defense , in short everything Mo is not ,moreover Mo is Brons crutch he carries him and goes mutha Theresa when Mo pouts about his game .

Jamieson is optional ideally you clear his salary if you can if it frees up the space for the Predator in a sign and trade for expiring contracts or adding additional support , but he has size and can score so he's not a hard and fast go.

Shag and Z each have a foot in the grave , no way no how Shag comes back better , he can barely lift his big ass up and dunk now and he's in the best shape of his life in the last 4 years.

Love his toughness but the Cavs can ill afford to play that slow anymore .

Barkley has been calling for Browns head for three years before it became popular , the Cavs should score like the Pheonix suns with the ability to play defense .

The Predator can run like Noah in Chicago .

A Cavs contengent so built would be as effective as Hitlers tanks vs the polish calvary.

SoulDawg

Shaq makes 20 million, not 25. The rest is a mix of poor prose, absurdity, and blind squirrel. However, chalk up another winner and victory...

SD:

You arrogant asshole riddle me this , Gilbert is losing 20 -25 milion per with the best playa in Basketball , what part of an overpaid role player with a $20 million dollar salary which engages the luxury tax don't you see contributing to this program , you fucking frog.

e0y2e3 wrote:Kinda funny that the dregs of Pure Football have come in here as the three muskateers and taken this place down ten notches.

Kudos Tree, Pros and SD.

SD:

Thanks ever so much , that means this grade three forum is now operating at minus seven if we go by your math.

Unfortunately you ladies been smellin your own pussies around here for too long , and think that stink don't smell like fish.

Shag is making $25 million per, he has us 20 million over the luxury tax and is 100% responsible for Gilbert losing $20 million a year even with the biggest star in Basketball and a packed house every game.

Mo is useless you must eat his sa;ary in a sign and trade and add someone who can play both ends of the floor.

Telfair is fast athletic and can play defense , in short everything Mo is not ,moreover Mo is Brons crutch he carries him and goes mutha Theresa when Mo pouts about his game .

Jamieson is optional ideally you clear his salary if you can if it frees up the space for the Predator in a sign and trade for expiring contracts or adding additional support , but he has size and can score so he's not a hard and fast go.

Shag and Z each have a foot in the grave , no way no how Shag comes back better , he can barely lift his big ass up and dunk now and he's in the best shape of his life in the last 4 years.

Love his toughness but the Cavs can ill afford to play that slow anymore .

Barkley has been calling for Browns head for three years before it became popular , the Cavs should score like the Pheonix suns with the ability to play defense .

The Predator can run like Noah in Chicago .

A Cavs contengent so built would be as effective as Hitlers tanks vs the polish calvary.

SoulDawg

Shaq makes 20 million, not 25. The rest is a mix of poor prose, absurdity, and blind squirrel. However, chalk up another winner and victory...

SD:

You arrogant asshole riddle me this , Gilbert is losing 20 -25 milion per with the best playa in Basketball , what part of an overpaid role player with a $20 million dollar salary which engages the luxury tax don't you see contributing to this program , you fucking frog.

e0y2e3 wrote:Kinda funny that the dregs of Pure Football have come in here as the three muskateers and taken this place down ten notches.

Kudos Tree, Pros and SD.

SD:

Thanks ever so much , that means this grade three forum is now operating at minus seven if we go by your math.

Unfortunately you ladies been smellin your own pussies around here for too long , and think that stink don't smell like fish.

Shag is making $25 million per, he has us 20 million over the luxury tax and is 100% responsible for Gilbert losing $20 million a year even with the biggest star in Basketball and a packed house every game.

Mo is useless you must eat his sa;ary in a sign and trade and add someone who can play both ends of the floor.

Telfair is fast athletic and can play defense , in short everything Mo is not ,moreover Mo is Brons crutch he carries him and goes mutha Theresa when Mo pouts about his game .

Jamieson is optional ideally you clear his salary if you can if it frees up the space for the Predator in a sign and trade for expiring contracts or adding additional support , but he has size and can score so he's not a hard and fast go.

Shag and Z each have a foot in the grave , no way no how Shag comes back better , he can barely lift his big ass up and dunk now and he's in the best shape of his life in the last 4 years.

Love his toughness but the Cavs can ill afford to play that slow anymore .

Barkley has been calling for Browns head for three years before it became popular , the Cavs should score like the Pheonix suns with the ability to play defense .

The Predator can run like Noah in Chicago .

A Cavs contengent so built would be as effective as Hitlers tanks vs the polish calvary.

SoulDawg

Shaq makes 20 million, not 25. The rest is a mix of poor prose, absurdity, and blind squirrel. However, chalk up another winner and victory...

SD:

You arrogant asshole riddle me this , Gilbert is losing 20 -25 milion per with the best playa in Basketball , what part of an overpaid role player with a $20 million dollar salary which engages the luxury tax don't you see contributing to this program , you fucking frog.

e0y2e3 wrote:Kinda funny that the dregs of Pure Football have come in here as the three muskateers and taken this place down ten notches.

Kudos Tree, Pros and SD.

SD:

Thanks ever so much , that means this grade three forum is now operating at minus seven if we go by your math.

Unfortunately you ladies been smellin your own pussies around here for too long , and think that stink don't smell like fish.

Shag is making $25 million per, he has us 20 million over the luxury tax and is 100% responsible for Gilbert losing $20 million a year even with the biggest star in Basketball and a packed house every game.

Mo is useless you must eat his sa;ary in a sign and trade and add someone who can play both ends of the floor.

Telfair is fast athletic and can play defense , in short everything Mo is not ,moreover Mo is Brons crutch he carries him and goes mutha Theresa when Mo pouts about his game .

Jamieson is optional ideally you clear his salary if you can if it frees up the space for the Predator in a sign and trade for expiring contracts or adding additional support , but he has size and can score so he's not a hard and fast go.

Shag and Z each have a foot in the grave , no way no how Shag comes back better , he can barely lift his big ass up and dunk now and he's in the best shape of his life in the last 4 years.

Love his toughness but the Cavs can ill afford to play that slow anymore .

Barkley has been calling for Browns head for three years before it became popular , the Cavs should score like the Pheonix suns with the ability to play defense .

The Predator can run like Noah in Chicago .

A Cavs contengent so built would be as effective as Hitlers tanks vs the polish calvary.

SoulDawg

Shaq makes 20 million, not 25. The rest is a mix of poor prose, absurdity, and blind squirrel. However, chalk up another winner and victory...

SD:

You arrogant asshole riddle me this , Gilbert is losing 20 -25 milion per with the best playa in Basketball , what part of an overpaid role player with a $20 million dollar salary which engages the luxury tax don't you see contributing to this program , you fucking frog.

soulDawg

You do know how trades are made in the NBA right? Who we traded to get Shaq, and the contributions those two would have made this year?

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Probably shouldn't try a serious reply at this point, but what the heck. By my eye, if LeBron walks (assuming Shaq and Z go with him - certain on Shaq, likely on Z) we'd have about $48 million in committed salaries (which is managable) including several half way decent ending contracts (West, Parker, Telfair, maybe Powe), and no draft picks this June. Our starting lineup would probably be something like: Mo Williams, Delonte West, Moon, Hickson and Jamison. AV is first off the bench along with Parker and Gibson and J. Williams. We'd be seriously height deficient but if we brought in an offensive minded coach who likes to run the floor we could score points. It's not a playoff team, even 8th seed, but it's not a 17 win team, either, IMhO. If we only bring in short term, lower priced, free agent(s) the salary situation should be such that Dan G. can spring for a draft pick or two in the next few years. And we'd have Jamison's big ending contract for Feb. 2012. Not sure how you get to the promised land that way, but Rondo was a 21st pick so if you got a guy who knows what he's doing you can make progress.

Use the MLE on a center, and I think you can fight for the 8 seed for the next 2 years while you wait for the contracts to expire. Hell, maybe without LBJ we can see if Mo has any actual ability. Yeah, we should be out of luxury tax hell if LBJ bolts, so maybe we could spring for a pick with all the salary/tax we aren't paying in 10-11. Mo, Delonte, Boobie, Parker, Moon, AV, JJ, Hickson, Powe, Green, Jawad isn't a terrible team. Not a good team, just not a terrible team. Add a SF or C with the MLE, and address the other need in the draft with whatever pick we can convince Gilbert to purchase. Tanking to get better picks for the next 2-3 years sounds fun, I just don't think Gilbert wants to be a part of that culture. We'll be looking at the bottom of the lottery or sneaking into the #8 for the next 2 years. Hopefully in that time we can acquire some young pieces and spend some of that free money in free agency on a big name once the big deals expire. Unlike most, I'm not doom and gloom if he bolts. No we won't be good right away, and we might never have a shot at 60 wins without LBJ, but I think they'll attempt to assemble the team in the correct way. Not short term fixes trying to convince the King not to bolt. If this happens, I want TBO here to see it through. I think he did everything he could to work with what assets we had. I think he could do well rebuilding and (hopefully) have some mid 1st round picks to play around with.

Depending on what Shaq wants I don't see him as a terrible signing for a year, possibly two. Sign a young big man with some height and atleticsm and you have two varying options. The landscape of NBA centers is pretty weak, and you are not going to bring in any better options.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:I for one, wouldn't mind seeing what Mo could do as the offensive initiator. Start with him, Redz, JJ, and Andy and see if you can build from there.

He doesn't initiate offense no matter where he's at. That's why he's shooting point guard. He got out of his game this Celtic series trying to play make, and ended up dribbling the ball off his foot, losing it out of bounds or throwing it away.

But I'll say this, they better get an initiator with the team you have there, because without LBJ getting lay-ups and dunks for Hickson and Andy, your starting forwards are going to combine for ten a game.

No two ways about it, like him or not, MF him as much as you want - completely understandable, but The King goes and this team is screwed.

Screwed.

And before they get good again the current players will be out of the league.

I don't know if Gilbert allows that to happen. Stated in today's presser that he would rather spend 20 million on a contract signing then risk an attendence loss by gutting the roster. Take that for what you will, obviously there will be a drop in ticket sales just losing LeBron, and I am not really seeing much in the roster that can be fixed on the fly. Hopefully during this review process Gilbert will see the this requires some patience, or by miracle something drops in our lap.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:I for one, wouldn't mind seeing what Mo could do as the offensive initiator. Start with him, Redz, JJ, and Andy and see if you can build from there.

What you better be building for me if you're gonna go that route is a nice, sturdy beam about ten feet off the floor that will support my 185lbs plus a little bit extra force when I kick the chair out from under my feet.

And no, it ain't specifically about LBJ. It's about watching a highly competitive basketball team that at least tricks my brain into believing something great could happen. I don't give a fuck about LBJ personally. He's dead to me for pretty much every single second that the clock ain't running. I think he's an entitled ego-maniac.

So just get me another guy that can elevate JJ and AV into what look to be competent guys. I'm sure there has to be another premier player or five who'd love to come here and play from November through March.

Just showed Phil in his office with 10 championship trophies lined up on this shelf. Does Ferry see the next Jackson out there? Do you? Dream come true is Ferry/other GM, next Phil Jackson, LeBron, some of the team.

peeker643 wrote:So just get me another guy that can elevate JJ and AV into what look to be competent guys. I'm sure there has to be another premier player or five who'd love to come here and play from November through March.

Sign me up.

Not gonna happen unless we do a sign and trade of LBJ. If we don't resign LeBron (or sign and trade) then we are looking at a 25 win team. We have assembled this roster to play off of LeBron, not without him. We'll have a top 5 pick next season.

FWIW, this is what I'd be attempting this off season if we lose LBJ. Our only assets right now are Delonte's expiring contract ($4.7 mill), Anthony Parker's expiring contract ($2.9 mill), Andy, and Gilbert's deep pockets. To me, these are our only current options to improve the roster, and let's be clear we need to infuse some young talent right away. I didn't include JJ because I'm assuming we'd keep him if we lost LBJ.

Anthony Randolph

He didn't get along with Don Nelson, but he's one of the most talented players in the league. I'd love to add him, and I'd be willing to add another big contract like Maggette's if we needed to. He is very raw, and will need to be placed in a situation where he can make mistakes without getting yanked, but he has elite length and athleticism.

Hasheem Thabeet

Huge and very athletic. Showed very little last season, but showed a little at the end of the season. Gasol was good for them last season, and they may be willing to trade him. It's worth looking into, but again we'd need a coaching staff that could develop him and deal with his mistakes. Because there will be a ton.

Memphis doesn't have any bad contracts like GS, though.

Ricky Rubio

Not sure if the T-Wolves would entertain offers, but again I'd call to see if we could pick up some bad salary to get the rights to him. Have never seen the guy play, but rumor is he's an elite prospect.

No clue on the likelihood of any of those 3 being available, but there's no point sitting on our hands if we lost LeBron. There's a chance any of the 3 could be available, and who cares if we add some salary if it expires the same off season as our other major contracts?

peeker643 wrote:So just get me another guy that can elevate JJ and AV into what look to be competent guys. I'm sure there has to be another premier player or five who'd love to come here and play from November through March.

Sign me up.

Not gonna happen unless we do a sign and trade of LBJ. If we don't resign LeBron (or sign and trade) then we are looking at a 25 win team. We have assembled this roster to play off of LeBron, not without him. We'll have a top 5 pick next season.

Swerb- Hook me up with a sarcasm emoticon. I'll attach it to my sig line so folks get the idea.

And it depresses me that ajunior didn't try and talk me out of the strong beam and rope scenario.