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It is probably just me, but it makes me think that because DIRECTV hasn't seen fit to allow more than one Genie on an account that the market is considerably more saturated than anyone had guessed it would be.

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It is probably just me, but it makes me think that because DIRECTV hasn't seen fit to allow more than one Genie on an account that the market is considerably more saturated than anyone had guessed it would be.

That's not the reason.

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That may be, I occasionally browse it but the quality of discussion isn't nearly on par with dbstalk. The only reason I noted it was because it came from one of the mods. He went to CES hoping to learn more about the HR46, HR54 and Playstation RVU capability. He said some Directv employees showed him some stuff there they probably weren't supposed to and he couldn't say anything about it for fear of getting them in trouble, but "we saw what we wanted to see". Maybe he's full of hot air, I have no idea.

He says the HR46 is the 4K Genie, and the HR54 is the low cost one, using some new type of wideband tuners. If anyone is curious to find the posts, search on "site:satelliteguys.us hr46" and you can find the two threads that mention it.

I would think the discussion next would be a new satellite that is capable of the 4k before they came out with a box for it.

Maybe Solid Signal put the HR44 on sale because as has been mentioned already, DTV is giving most of them away and they are not really selling any of them at Solid Signal.

I do think they will come out with a new box in the HR2x line. If you stop going forward then you are going backwards and the competition will leave you behind possibly. I wrote to DTV in 2010 and asked them why didn't they make a receiver with and external power supply and use an external hard disc if you wanted it to record. This would give just one actual box to make instead of 2.

I also asked why didn't they use the USB port for a flash drive and store all the graphics on it and the HR2x boxes could have all the graphics that the DVRs have. I was told that someone had a patent on use of that idea for storage and they could not do that at this time. I don't know if those kind of patents run out like medicine patents do or what.

If the Series Links were stored on the flash drive you could remove it and plug it into a replacement box after a hard drive or power supply, etc. failure.

I would think the discussion next would be a new satellite that is capable of the 4k before they came out with a box for it.

Maybe Solid Signal put the HR44 on sale because as has been mentioned already, DTV is giving most of them away and they are not really selling any of them at Solid Signal.

I do think they will come out with a new box in the HR2x line. If you stop going forward then you are going backwards and the competition will leave you behind possibly. I wrote to DTV in 2010 and asked them why didn't they make a receiver with and external power supply and use an external hard disc if you wanted it to record. This would give just one actual box to make instead of 2.

I also asked why didn't they use the USB port for a flash drive and store all the graphics on it and the HR2x boxes could have all the graphics that the DVRs have. I was told that someone had a patent on use of that idea for storage and they could not do that at this time. I don't know if those kind of patents run out like medicine patents do or what.

If the Series Links were stored on the flash drive you could remove it and plug it into a replacement box after a hard drive or power supply, etc. failure.

A newer box that replaces the H25 and/or HR24 is a dead certainty, because they'll need a 4K capable receiver if they hope to push 4K. I think the D14 satellite will need to be launched and operational before customers ever see 4K, so that's end of the year at the absolute earliest. If they're shooting for that sort of time frame, they'd have to begin building prototypes of 4K capable equipment for internal testing. It is only recently than HEVC decoder chips and the HDMI 2.0 standard was finalized to allow even designing 4K capable equipment.

Another example of how broken our patent system is if storing graphics downloaded via satellite or internet can be patented. That's obvious to everyone, let alone those "skilled in the art"! Patent terms are same as for drugs, 20 year duration (17 years for older ones filed over a few years ago under a slightly different system) You wouldn't need a USB drive on the receivers, just 10 cents worth added to the flash already present for the firmware.

This talk of a Super Genie is interesting. I had an HR20 & HR21 since 2007 until replacing the HR20 with an HR44-700 a few months ago. After spending 6+ years taking naps between channel changes, it seems to me that the HR44 is a Super Genie.

I got my order in and shortly thereafter received an email informing me they were back-ordered because "...actually too great of an offer as we have already exhausted our inventory." So I am not surprised that it has been taken down.

I took the deal rather than go through DTV to insure that I got the 44. Looking for it in the next 5 days.

This talk of a Super Genie is interesting. I had an HR20 & HR21 since 2007 until replacing the HR20 with an HR44-700 a few months ago. After spending 6+ years taking naps between channel changes, it seems to me that the HR44 is a Super Genie.