What's pissing me off is the fact, that him and Tatar have done everything this organization asked them to do and even more. They've stepped up in the AHL, helped an injury poised DetroitRedWings roster to reach the playoffs and finally won a memorial cup, meanwhile the roster is filled with over the hill veterans, who clearly do not have a place in the longterm plans.I am really starting to think, it would have been better if the DetroitRedWings missed the playoffs entirely or at least getting absolutely destroyed by the Ducks or Blackhawks? This late run really has given Kenny a false - and dangerous - sense of how this team does stack up against the elite powerhouses, hence the bringing in/back actions of some veterans. I also wouldn't blame Nyquist or Tatar for being pissed about the whole situation. sent from a mobile device autocorrections errors are possible!

Calder cup but we got the memo! Its a shame what's happening right now. Wish we could see goose and tats with the roster right now.

My major concern is that this permanently harms their development. Nyquist is certainly proven he's ready for the challenge of the NHL and Tatar certainly isn't developing on the bench.

Agreed.

This may be a bad analogy on my part, but you do not hold back a student in school because there's too many children for the classroom - you hold them back a grade because they may not have been capable of showing a level of competency needed for the next level of education...

Limiting ice time, and or keeping these guys down in GR when it's apparent they're ready for the NHL may bite the Wings in the ass later on.

So is a man allowed to dream? Sigh... Phaneuf is going to get 9/yr, Callahan 8/yr, Moulson 6.5/yr... Bought out Franzen, Traded Weiss, and Bought out Helms (presuming he remains injured or unable to come back).

I had no idea that six goals and twelve assists in fifty four career games earned you a solid roster spot on the Detroit f*cking Red Wings these days. It's especially interesting considering Cleary's four goals and six assists in fourteen games during LAST YEAR'S PLAYOFFS doesn't even merit a 1.75 million dollar one year contract around here.

Hell, Ville Leino had nine goals and seven assists in his fifty five career Red Wings games before being sent packing.

I had no idea that six goals and twelve assists in fifty four career games earned you a solid roster spot on the Detroit f*cking Red Wings these days. It's especially interesting considering Cleary's four goals and six assists in fourteen games during LAST YEAR'S PLAYOFFS doesn't even merit a 1.75 million dollar one year contract around here.

Hell, Ville Leino had nine goals and seven assists in his fifty five career Red Wings games before being sent packing.

Nyquist hasn't earned anything...yet.

I would say he's earned a shot at playing on the wings. From there, he would have to prove that he deserves to stay. If you think he has had ample chance to do so, and has failed, then I can't disagree with you. That would be your opinion. I'm not saying that's what you really think. I'm just sayin that's the only way you can legitimately say he hasn't earned a spot on the team. Otherwise, he's not being afforded the chance he's earned.

I personally think the only way we see Gus back up is if there's a real plan in place to move someone, or if someone's done for the year. They're not going to call him up for two games without making sure he'll stick. Poorly planned out, he would be exposed to waivers - I'd like to think Kenny's got a little more sense than that.He definitely deserves to be on this team, though. It's a shame.

Lets face, as much as none of us want to see Sammy getting the youngsters ice time, holland played him, he scored a clutch goal, his trade value went up

Lets face, as much as none of us want to see Sammy getting the youngsters ice time, holland played him, he scored a clutch goal, his trade value went up

That is a good thing for us.

But then if anyone who would consider trading for Sammy saw the rest of the game, they would notice that he was a slow old derp that hung out way too high in the offensive zone while his line mated did all the board work. He did one thing right and got a mildly lucky goal out of it and aside from that looked like an old man afraid to muck it up to build the lead.

I would say he's earned a shot at playing on the wings. From there, he would have to prove that he deserves to stay. If you think he has had ample chance to do so, and has failed, then I can't disagree with you. That would be your opinion. I'm not saying that's what you really think. I'm just sayin that's the only way you can legitimately say he hasn't earned a spot on the team. Otherwise, he's not being afforded the chance he's earned.

I agree, he's earned a chance, not a spot. He'll undoubtedly get that chance this season, so basically I see nothing wrong with starting him in GR.

"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

But then if anyone who would consider trading for Sammy saw the rest of the game, they would notice that he was a slow old derp that hung out way too high in the offensive zone while his line mated did all the board work. He did one thing right and got a mildly lucky goal out of it and aside from that looked like an old man afraid to muck it up to build the lead.

So is a man allowed to dream? Sigh... Phaneuf is going to get 9/yr, Callahan 8/yr, Moulson 6.5/yr... Bought out Franzen, Traded Weiss, and Bought out Helms (presuming he remains injured or unable to come back).

This is worse than our current team, all we really need is to drop Sammy and Bert and we should have a pretty awesome team

Nyquist is an awesome guy. Eventually, he will become a very good player for the wings in the future. His potential is overwhelming. It does sadden me to see such talent have to be sent down to the Griffins. He was a fun player to watch on the Wings and contributed to the team in the playoffs when they needed it most. I do hope that Ken has plans to incorporate him in the future.

However, I still don't understand why we can't find a place to fit him in. He's better than Cleary in my opinion, and is a good player. I would like to see him and Tatar playing on the wings team, as I feel they are better than some of the current players like Cleary and Bertuzzi.

I had no idea that six goals and twelve assists in fifty four career games earned you a solid roster spot on the Detroit f*cking Red Wings these days. It's especially interesting considering Cleary's four goals and six assists in fourteen games during LAST YEAR'S PLAYOFFS doesn't even merit a 1.75 million dollar one year contract around here.

Hell, Ville Leino had nine goals and seven assists in his fifty five career Red Wings games before being sent packing.

Nyquist hasn't earned anything...yet.

Cleary gets way more ice time than Goose and has also played with Dats and Z. Apples and oranges...

This is worse than our current team, all we really need is to drop Sammy and Bert and we should have a pretty awesome team

Cleary needs to go too. He sucks. I don't know if I mentioned it in any threads today, but I'd like to go on record stating that Cleary sucks. A Wings roster without him may bring tears of joy.