None of you seem to be able to explain how, by this reasoning, managers do not matter one lick, and if that is so, why teams ever care who the manager is.

You haven't shown a manager makes a huge difference. Take Mattingly. He almost was canned when the Dodgers were in last. He wasn't and they went crazy. If he was fired, and the Dodgers got hot, it would be used as proof the manager makes all the difference in the world. But they kept him and they started winning and winning. Was he dumb and just got smart? It's the players that matter.as long as you have the team's respect, or if he just refuses to conform to team policy, firing a manager is the proverbial putting lipstick on a pig.

This is a team that went into free fall and it has very little talent. No coaching staff could have stopped this. The main responsibility of the this manager is to handle the media. Ventura has done well with this. The coaching now a days is what runs the club, this isnt the 60's when a team had a manger and 3 coaches, this team currently has 8 plus the manager. I bet Ventura didnt choose any of his coaching staff, this was done from above. If people want to beat on Ventura for not being a good administrator of the staff he was given, that's fine, but dont blame him for much more.

How do we know that? Because some whitesox.com beat reporter wrote an article about how much the players like him? Players will never tell any reporting any sliver of truth.

Please, we know as much about the players' thoughts on him as we do about his passion for the job.

And if it's not his department to be the face of the franchise to the fans who is?

No player past or present has anything bad to say about him. They have even mentioned Robin gets tough on them in private. He doesn't air the dirty laundry in public, somrthing he probably learned as a player under several managers with several different styles.

If you want to judge him on this year with the players he had to put in the line up, and say he sucks fine. The problem is everyone you would want to replace him with would be in the same situation. The players have to change, not the manager.

If you want to judge him on this year with the players he had to put in the line up, and say he sucks fine. The problem is everyone you would want to replace him with would be in the same situation. The players have to change, not the manager.

That's fair, but if there was someone else at the helm that's had major league success (or experience for that matter) there'd a be more patience and more (any) hope for next year.

Also it's frustrating to know that Ventura won't be the manager in 2015 but he'll be awarded a token role in the organization.

Also it's frustrating to know that Ventura won't be the manager in 2015 but he'll be awarded a token role in the organization.

Who cares if he is given and chooses to take a token role in the organization. The guy is a good guy and has been a class act throughout his playing and managing days with the Sox. Thats the type of guy an organization should want up and center.

Who cares if he is given and chooses to take a token role in the organization. The guy is a good guy and has been a class act throughout his playing and managing days with the Sox. Thats the type of guy an organization should want up and center.

Well, the Blackhawks still employ Denis Savard in some role. Like Robin, he's seen as a class act who should remain in the organization in some role. Like Savard, I suspect when things start to matter with a team that can contend, Robin will be removed from his role as head coach. Right now, that doesn't matter as much. Maybe it won't matter in 2014, either.

If his name wasn't Robin Ventura it wouldn't even be up for debate- he'd be fired the day after the season ended.

It's a horrible team- but he has shown no evidence (starting last September) that he's a legitimate major league manager and that (at a minimum) he can get his team to play solid fundamental baseball with any kind of energy.

For me- he's in Terry Bevington/Larry Doby/Paul Richards ('76) territory as a manager.

If he's back- along with Dunn for 2014- the White Sox will be back to 1988-89 or 1998-1999 in terms of attendance, etc.

The current vintage of the White Sox is the biggest test of my fan loyalty that I can remember- I hate the Cubs and Brewers are pretty "blah"- so I stay- but from the major league roster and manager to the stadium operation and customer service to the marketing and announcers- this franchise is a complete wreck.

If his name wasn't Robin Ventura it wouldn't even be up for debate- he'd be fired the day after the season ended.

It's a horrible team- but he has shown no evidence (starting last September) that he's a legitimate major league manager and that (at a minimum) he can get his team to play solid fundamental baseball with any kind of energy.

For me- he's in Terry Bevington/Larry Doby/Paul Richards ('76) territory as a manager.

If he's back- along with Dunn for 2014- the White Sox will be back to 1988-89 or 1998-1999 in terms of attendance, etc.

The current vintage of the White Sox is the biggest test of my fan loyalty that I can remember- I hate the Cubs and Brewers are pretty "blah"- so I stay- but from the major league roster and manager to the stadium operation and customer service to the marketing and announcers- this franchise is a complete wreck.

Wasn't he the manager from April-September last year? If it's his fault they didn't play well, wouldn't it be his fault they exceeded expections? To me, you are cherry-picking. You only count when the team is bad, and ignore they were in first place last season with a roster that many thought was short.

It's short now, and to complain that it is his fault they are losing after trading Peavy and Rios and Crain and Thornton, is ridiculous. Paulie has been beat up and a shell of his former self. What manager would be getting wins out of this roster right now? Just name one.