September 6, 2011

Baldwin is the first Democrat in the field and likely the front-runner for her party's nomination....

She linked herself to the political tradition of Kohl and former U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold and declared, "It's time politicians looked out for seniors, working families and the middle class - instead of protecting the profits of big oil and Wall Street."...

To her opponents, particularly among Republicans, Baldwin is the definition of a tax-and-spend Madison liberal who backed "Obamacare."...

Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald (R-Horicon), who is all but guaranteed to enter the U.S. Senate race, said, "I think Tammy is the epitome of what's wrong in Washington right now."

May the issues be sharply defined!

ADDED: Here's Meade's video of Tammy Baldwin, with her hand held by Jesse Jackson, on February 23, in the Wisconsin Capitol rotunda, at the height of the protests:

I also have to say that democratic women in politics as a group seem to be very weak. I saw the video of DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Shultz today refusing to say anything about Hoffa's SOB statement. It was a feeble effort, with her saying repeatedly that she and Obama believe people should work together. To anyone interested and listening with an open mind, it was insulting. How can these people be so insulated that they think it is better to refuse to answer the question, when it would be so easy to say that language was inappropriate and then offer whatever excuse they think works best.

You know that Carney will be hounded until he says something like that, so why not just get it out now.

One benefit to Obama is that at this no one is focusing on Biden's latest insanity, telling unions they are the ones keeping teh "barbarians at the gates." It is too bad, since a VP calling millions of Americans barbarians is more offensive and more helpful to republicans. I guess they will get around to it.

Perry's campaigning for mine right now. As are the rest to varying degrees. Mostly for my sons and their sons and daughters when they have them, because there's not going to be much of a future unless things change and soon.

Tim in case you did not catch the news four days ago, many small business owners say that taxes and regulations are not the problem.Government regulations are not 'choking' our business, the hospitality business," Bernard Wolfson, the president of Hospitality Operations in Miami, told The Miami Herald.

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)So if the Koch brothers called Obama "Saddam Hussein", and declared 2012 "the mother of all wars, you would be similarly outraged The critical difference is, Garage…THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO.

So if the Koch brothers called Obama "Saddam Hussein", and declared 2012 "the mother of all wars, you would be similarly outraged?

You misunderstand completely and continue to do so. The outrage isn't over something someone said in particular. The outrage, at least for me personally (such that it is) and those I tend to agree with is due to the hypocrisy of the left and, partially, to the fallout after the Arizona shootings.

Even when I was an apolitical twenty-something, it always seemed like the left was the first to cry foul of someone else's free speech with calls for disavowment and/or removal unless it was one of their own.

I'll knock the Koch Brothers when they give a violence-filled speech at a rally held by the president. But until then I will continue to buy Georgia-Pacific products manufactured by people who live and pay taxes in Wisconsin.

Garage. Comrade, i was at the ultra secret meeting. Mother Jones has it wrong. Millionaires and billionaires are not suseptible to being spied on by Mother Jones by the by. Good food, however and excellent conversation. Civilized.

I'll knock the Koch Brothers when they give a violence-filled speech at rally held by the president. But until then . . . . .

Do you suppose that Hoffa accidentally showed the cards? Is the army that he referred to finally the civilian security force "that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military, as President Obama once stated is something "we've got to have"? needing?

What do you suppose the Teamsters would do with the Pentagon's budget?

Because as we all know, an "apparent reference" as alleged by a left wing blog is FACT right, clown?

I suppose MoJo could have put on an elaborate ruse, faking a gathering of hundreds of people, faking Koch talking to the crowd, faking a list of donors. But I doubt it. But keep playing stupid Jaytard. It suits you well.

RV. You didnt read the article very carefully did you? The business owners interviewed said that regulations were not choking their business but went on to describe the insurance costs and disability claims that were. Both of those are offshoots of a regulatory regime that impacts them mightily. The hotel business,by the way, was severely impacted by the AIG effect which effectively killed upper end and resort hotels for two years.

I suppose MoJo could have put on an elaborate ruse, faking a gathering of hundreds of people, faking Koch talking to the crowd, faking a list of donors. But I doubt it. But keep playing stupid Jaytard. It suits you well.

You really are incapable of getting it, aren't you, garbage?

Mother Jones is a lefty propaganda rag, idiot. Get it?

Try reading the nutjob conspiracy rant it published about the Koch brothers...

Oh, what the hell... you are a sucker for that kind of nutjob propaganda.

What's funny is your brain can't process any information not relayed to you by Fox. And they are the ones that chopped up the Hoffa speech and spliced it back together to dish to their easily fooled audience. Or maybe they don't care.

So what can Tammy Baldwin offer to the independent voter who voted for Scott Walker, Ron Johnson, David Prosser and GOP state senators? She does have the temper tantrum vote locked up, but those folks would never vote for a Republican anyway.

I suppose MoJo could have put on an elaborate ruse, faking a gathering of hundreds of people, faking Koch talking to the crowd, faking a list of donors. But I doubt it. But keep playing stupid Jaytard. It suits you well.

Um, dum-dum:

Your own link uses the term apparent reference to Obama

Or do you get so piss your pants excited about your idiotic assertions that you miss those little facts?

What's funny is your brain can't process any information not relayed to you by Fox. And they are the ones that chopped up the Hoffa speech and spliced it back together to dish to their easily fooled audience. Or maybe they don't care.

What is even funnier is that you spent hours here falsely accusing Breibart of doctoring tapes yet you accept uncritically an "audio available at the BRAD Blog"

Comrade Garage: The ultra secret meetings the evil Koch brothers hold are referenced on their evil website, so sorta secret. The MoJo article hinges on the word "loopholes" which it insinuates are the portholes through which millionairesandbillionaires poke their contributions ultra secretly to the evil Koch brothers. Except the "loopholes" are the MoJo writers way of saying that the law does not read as they would like it to read, at least as it pertains to the evil Koch brothers.

Any way you look at it, Tammy Baldwin is not getting of these ultra secret funds channeled to her via loopholes. Count on that.

The good news is that the right wing now has their very own version of George Soros except in the form of evil brothers, a twofer!! So, taking a cue from George, we will use the money from millionairesandbillionaires to reshape the conversation away from the way you want it to the way we want it. Which is better.

Tim in case you did not catch the news four days ago, many small business owners say that taxes and regulations are not the problem.Government regulations are not 'choking' our business, the hospitality business," Bernard Wolfson, the president of Hospitality Operations in Miami, told The Miami Herald.

Wolfson gives lots of money to Democrats. A check at Open Secrets shows that less than 5% of his political contributions go to Republicans.

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)The recent honestly is refreshing though. So American isn't itElections aren’t to elect Democrats, Garage…you just think if Democrats HAVEN’T been elected there hasn’t been an election….

It simply isn't that difficult to register to vote. I managed at the age of 18 to do it. If someone is so clueless on how to register its not a stretch to argue they're not going to be an informed voter.

Garage, like most liberals isn't bothered by that as long as they vote the 'correct way'.

Garage, like most liberals isn't bothered by that as long as they vote the 'correct way'.

Oh just admit it you have no problems with blocking American citizens from voting, as long as it's people that you think vote for Democrats. It's just such transparent bullshit and you know it. I would love to see Original Mike look this Wisconsinite in the eye and tell her she's too fucking stupid to vote.

Don't go to your links anymore, garage. You've poisoned the well. As to, "Oh just admit it you have no problems with blocking American citizens from voting, as long as it's people that you think vote for Democrats." that is just flat out wrong. Sorry, dude.

"... Oh just admit it you have no problems with blocking American citizens from voting, as long as it's people that you think vote for Democrats. It's just such transparent bullshit and you know it. I would love to see Original Mike look this Wisconsinite in the eye and tell her she's too fucking stupid to vote...."

Again, what is so difficult about registering to vote? Are you opposed to even the most basic identification to allow getting an id or verifying who is eligible to vote? In this age if identity theft I'd think not but anything to secure political power is fine for your kind.

"...Asshats...."

Screw you. It's people like you that have poisoned the discourse in this country to the point that that there is no reasoning with you.

"garage mahal said...Wisconsin is number one in a few things since Walker took over. We're the hardest state in the union to vote, and we lead the country in school aid cuts."

Hardest to vote? I just go to my local precinct (a few blocks away), show my driver's license, get a ballot, and vote. Easy.

As far as the rest, what crap. First, they only looked at 24 states. Obama thinks there are 57, you think 24. Second, we don't lead "putting Wisconsin at fourth in the country so far in cuts". Are you a lair or an idiot?

The real issue is what do we spend.

And really, you could give a shit about school spending...schools have not had to make program cuts.

Reading that article, she clearly is too dumb to vote. "Sure, I have no proof I live here...why should that stop me?"way is too dumb to even mock adequately. Reading that the writer is convinced that the USPS is a government agency was hilarious. I think the author might also be too dumb to vote. That somebody claiming to be a lawyer said they are one speaks ill of legal education in general.

Well I went to his link Mike and it sounds like the problem is the DMV and not the voter is law.

Assuming that story is even 10% true.

".... So, here's the thing. Like so many parents of adult children, or adult children living with parents, or young people, or unemployed people, or the self-employed people-- or basically, like so many other huge swaths of the population of any state-- my mother cannot easily meet these restrictions...."

HD, it wasn't the DMV's fault. The required proof of residency was not presented. The USPS is not a federal agency and her mom lacked proof of residency. They weren't asking for really obscure documentation.

"... Your link also thinks Bradley was the victim and is demanding all correspondence between the conservative justices...because they totally heave a right to demand that. Truly...."

The link was to the Green Bay Progressive. What else do you need to know?

ID to rent a movie or cash a check, no problem. ID to prove you're an eligible voter, travesty.

I say give the liberals what they want, complete unrestricted voter eligibility. No id, no problem. In fact remove the age requirement too. Hell let's just let the 15 million undocumented worker's vote too.

I heard on the radio that Walker's budget funds increased DMV locations and hours.

Just think Mike, your conservative policies are so shitty, so unpopular, that our governor has to block people from voting. All that garbage about being broke, and you fell for it. Nice movement you got there. Anyways, laugh it up, asshole.

"... The required proof of residency was not presented. The USPS is not a federal agency and her mom lacked proof of residency. They weren't asking for really obscure documentation..."

Ok I went back and looked. Was she getting SS? It had to be mailed somewhere. If she moved in with her kid, its not that difficult to get an address change to reflect a new residence. I moved several years ago and Mrs. Hoosier and I took. Pto day just to get all that crap done. Deal with it.

"Pay check or stub or earning statement with your name and Wisconsin address, and your employer's name and address, issued within the last 90 days. Your employer's telephone number may be required for verification.

Idiot Author: "My mother is working remotely from her law firm in Toledo, and is for all intents and purposes retired in WI. She has no earnings statements from a WI employer."

There is no requirement that your earnings statement or check or pay stub come from aWI employer.

If you are 72 you get correspondence from a number of government agencies...Medicare is one mentioned. Also SSN. If she was a lawyer she must hvae worked and be getting Social Security.

100% Bullshit. Well except how awful the DMV can be. What do you expect from public union workers.

No dickhead, you still don't get it. It's adding layers of headaches for thousands of honest Wisconsinites who have voted faithfully for decades for no fucking reason. It's meant to be chaotic and frustrating. There is no voter fraud in this state. None.

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)170,000 seniors, and 200,000 students, for starters, currently do not have the proper ID to vote in Wisconsin. You're a scientist, can you figure that math out

So you’re saying that right now, if we change the law, 370,000 potential illegal votes exist to be used for the Democratic Party, no wonder you’re on fire about this Garage…My advice, to them, is get any of the many LEGAL proofs of residence, and register. I know that’s hard…I know it takes time…I know it’s not as good for your side than if the SEIU “signs” them up in a voter registration drive, but it won’t kill them either.

"garage mahal said...170,000 seniors, and 200,000 students, for starters, currently do not have the proper ID to vote in Wisconsin. You're a scientist, can you figure that math out?"

There are 200,000 students, legal residents of WI, that don't have a WI driver's license or state ID?

LOL I'll bet their life is a bitch. I mean, how do they get by? Because they would not be able to get a checking account. Or even get in-state tuition without the same proofs that voter ID law requires.

Sounds like she will likely get the Democrat nomination. And collect a ton of fundraising dollars from the Gay Mafia coming in from out of state.I don't know if she is electable statewide. On her hard left reputation. There have been other gay people in the Senate...just not "proudly out".

I imagine that her "baggage" is pretty considerable on votes and positions and quotes she has accumulated.In much of Wisconsin, I imagine her opponent might like a few video clips of her holding hands with Jesse Jackson in the Wisc State Capital. As not a good thing for Tammy. From Jesse's own negatives. And also from a unique Wisconsin perspective that voters see Wisconsin Democrats as eager to do what powerful Chicago Dem politicians want done.

Nor should they be any more than the ID badge that your comnpany gives you when they hire you in. A college ID - student, administrator, teacher, groundskeeper, or cafeteria worker - says only that you are affiliated with a college just as a company ID says. Neither implies anything about legal residency in the state the company or college is in.

Your argument is reductio ad absurdum nonsense. You might as well say that any ID issued by any Wisconsin issuer should confer the right to vote to the recipient. Try again.

garage mahal said..."170,000 seniors, and 200,000 students, for starters, currently do not have the proper ID to vote in Wisconsin."

Garage said, dancing on his being called on his bullsit about 200,000 lacking proper ID like a Wisconsin drivers license:

[200k students eligible to vote don't have a drivers license???

Garage - "200k student ID's that aren't valid to vote."]

***************REading between the lines, Garage appears to be admitting most his 200,000 students have driver's licenses, just ones issued to residents of different states that have not changed residency, but who would enjoy the privilege of voting at least twice - once in Wisconsin, once in their home state, perhaps some other state or polling place where they just flash a ultility bill, photoless student ID or Mexican Counselate card..

I'm for it garage. It's time we try it. If, in fact, there's an outcry from seniors (or others) across the state that the requirement is too onerous (and neither I nor any retiree I know can figure out why that would be), the requirement will be changed.

On the other hand, I've got my personal experience as recently as the recall elections where someone volunteered to drive me to the polls and vouch for me to vote without ID as someone else. That shit happens. And it disenfranchises legitimate voters. If it happened to me just because I was sitting in a bar at the right (wrong?) time, how much is going on intentionally?

11 potentially improper votes cast in 2008 out of 3 million cast that resulted from an 18 month taxpayer financed investigation. 8 were paper felons. Two were suspected of voting twice. That's 0.0004%. It's a joke, sorry.

And Pogo still can't figure out the difference between actual voter fraud, and what happens to the votes after they've been cast. But no problem with partisan incompetent hacks tabulating the votes. She's one of us!

I didn't know it was a conservative position to throw millions at a probelm that doesn't exist.

No, the expense of ensuring the integrity of the vote is not the 'bottom line'. The bottom line is that the expense of ensuring the integrity of the vote is going to guarantee that any voter who is a legal resident of Wisconsin is not disenfranchised either by not be able to cast a legal vote, or having that vote nullified by someone else casting an illegal one.

BTW: You keep finding it somehow important to mention that the AG study of voting integrity occurred under the authority of Walker as if that were significant. It could have occurred under the authority of Bozo the clown and be no less relevant to the current effort to ensure voting integrity now and in the future.

The point is, a majority of folks no longer have a basic trust in the way voting is done. They think it's fraudulent and corrupt, and that the abuses do not come to light. So change is demanded.

The fact that the vote is distrusted should be of great concern, more than the concern over 'disenfranchised' voters, because a majority don't believe that hogwash is true either.

Here in Minnesota, like other blue states, we have had narrow victories for Democrats tainted by the stench of fraud.

I myself witnessed it. A small busload of Somali women got out at the polling station. None spoke English, it was said, and none had registered. They were "vouched" for by one man, who had already vouched for other busloads. The women went into a booth with this man, and lots of talking was done. The voting judges suspected he was marking their ballots, but they were all afraid of appearing racist by stopping them.

If Walker wanted true election integrity there would be mandatory counting of all the paper ballots, on election night, before a panel of observers at every precinct. Fuck the recount, they don't leave until it's counted and recounted until a victor is declared. Instead we rely on machine tallies from easily hacked voting machines. Or Kathy Nickolaus's laptop.

Pogo's got a good point garage. No matter what the one investigation turned up, current public opinion, reflected by our elected legislators, is that voter fraud is real and it's a problem. Maybe it's partial boogeyman, but maybe it's a lot of real world examples like he and I experienced.

And while I'm very sensitive to any restrictions being placed on a Constitutional right, I honestly don't believe voter ID is an undue burden to protect against fraud.

I don't know Calypso could have actually voted from someone "vouching" for him.

Joe Parisi thinks I could have:"State Rep. Joe Parisi (D-Madison) says a GOP-backed photo ID bill would end the practice of "vouching" for someone without identification who needs to register at the polls..."

No dickhead, you still don't get it. It's adding layers of headaches for thousands of honest Wisconsinites who have voted faithfully for decades for no fucking reason. It's meant to be chaotic and frustrating. There is no voter fraud in this state. None.

Given the lack of photo identification, I'd love to see how you know this isn't a problem.

Heck, for years, there was no problem with blacks being barred from polling places since none of them could register and all...

170,000 seniors, and 200,000 students, for starters, currently do not have the proper ID to vote in Wisconsin. You're a scientist, can you figure that math out?

So, those 200,000 students have no bills for tuition? No photo ID for bars? Do you realize how hard it is to have LITERALLY no ID?

170,000 seniors don't get Medicare or Social Security?

No. Do some reading before you jump into a conversation. Almost all student ID's aren't an acceptable ID to vote.

Which is why he asked about driver's licenses or photo ID's...not student ID's.

None of those students drive anywhere? Never get beer?

200k student ID's that aren't valid to vote.

No argument.

None of them have DRIVER'S LICENSES?

11 potentially improper votes cast in 2008 out of 3 million cast that resulted from an 18 month taxpayer financed investigation. 8 were paper felons. Two were suspected of voting twice. That's 0.0004%. It's a joke, sorry.

How much was spent on investigating claims of racial discrimination at voting polls in 2000?

I ask because, NATIONALLY, the total number of cases even remotely close to being provable was one. Yes, a single incident.

"Student IDs need to be issued from accredited public and private colleges and universities in Wisconsin, include the student’s signature and have a two-year expiration date. Students would have to establish they are currently enrolled in the school if using a student ID. A provision to require addresses on student IDs was removed from the bill by the Assembly."

That lie again? You're a consummate jerk. The lady had NOTHING to do with ANY VOTE count. Are you so stupid that you cannot grasp this, or does it just that as long as it suits your purpose, buttresses your dustheap narrative, you'll endlessly re-issue lies or calumny (While protesting that you do not lie).

garage does not have a clue what the Election Fraud Task Force was about. (It started in 2008 under...whose AG? Garage? Garage?). Nor does he have a clue about it's findings, or why those findings support, not contradict, the need for Voter ID.

That's a teaser, garage. Here's fair warning. You haven't a clue about it because your info was gathered from the barking mad ' Voter sSuppression!! Voter Supression!!' sites. I, on the other hand, did what I always do. I went to the actual source. I know what the findings are. Not what some shithead poured into your receptive noodle. What they are.

garage mahal said...Yet you follow me around in every thread taking me at face value.

Sorry, shit for brains. I read many if not all the threads on Althouse (among other blogs). I don't comment in all that many threads actually. You comment in most of them. I usually pass right over your comments. Wrote you off long ago and don't even register your drivel directly. What happens is that I read comments from posters I respect that mention your nonsense. Once your lying, dishonest arguments, and outright stupidity reaches a benchmark, I sometimes chime in. Only when other posters are noting it.

Its the lying, garage. Trademark of the left and I truly despise it and its practitioners and enablers. Really hate it, so like I said, I usually pass over posts from proven inveterate liars. And the damnedest thing is that I think you really believe that a lie is a position. That makes you stone stupid also.

But when I notice that your lying passes that threshold/benchmark I mentioned, its no real effort to point it out. Shooting fish in a barrel, your being stone stupid and all.

Tammy Baldwin, the big diesel dyke will not win in Wisconsin. Sorry, but Wisconsin is not lesbian central. More like rednecks and dumbfucks and fat fucks. That Tammy Baldwin dyke shaking her tits will not fly in that dumbfuck Wisconsin state, unless she is willing to go bi and suck cock and go anal statewide. In Mass or New York, but Wisconsin, no fucking way.

garage mahal said...200k students eligible to vote don't have a drivers license?

200k student ID's that aren't valid to vote.

9/6/11 3:50 PM

If they don't live in WI year round they aren't WI residents and shouldn't be voting in WI to begin with. They can vote in their home states if they wanted to. Now if they feel that grounded to WI they can always bother themselves to get a WI drivers license. They haven't been disenfranchised, they just aren't franchised to vote in WI but they can always get an absentee ballot from their home locality.