Although samples 030 and 056 descend from different wives of Thomas Jefferson Holder, this does not affect their Y-DNA. These two samples differ at marker DYS391. Since samples 030 and 053 have the identical value (11) at this marker, yet samples 030 and 056 have a more recent ancestor in common than does either with 053, we can infer that sample 056 has a relatively recent mutation at this site.

These three samples also have a large number of matches to persons with other surnames, notably Elliot.

Other samples from the same area:

Three other samples have been received from people whose ancestry traces back to the same part of North Carolina, and whose autosomal DNA tests strongly suggest a relationship. The data for these samples have been added to the chart below. Like the Group J samples, sample 099 is in Haplogroup R1b (R-M269) but it differs significantly from these. It seems very unlikely that there is a common ancestor within the last 300 years or more.

099 USA: George Holder ca 1750, Duplin and Sampson Counties NC. Based on location we predicted this sample would fall in group J, but it appears to be unrelated, and doesn't match any other Holder sample so far.

Samples 091 and 101 match each other, and are from an entirely different haplogroup, T-M70. We are designating this pair as Group W within the Holder project.

101 USA: Nelson Holder Ritchie, (1840-1913), born in Missouri to parents whose names we don't know yet. In the 1880 and later censuses, he says his parents were from North Carolina.

The Group J samples, and sample 099, belong to Haplogroup R1b1b2, now known as R-M269. This haplogroup is prevalent in western Europe, especially in the British Isles.

The Group W samples are in Haplogroup T-M70, which is found especially in Somalia, the Arabian peninsula, and Armenia.

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ID#

Group

DYS393

DYS390

DYS19

DYS391

DYS385a

DYS385b

DYS426

DYS388

DYS439

DYS389-1

DYS392

DYS389-2

DYS458

DYS459a

DYS459b

DYS455

DYS454

DYS447

DYS437

DYS448

DYS449

DYS464a

DYS464b

DYS464c

DYS464d

030

J1

13

25

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

29

18

9

9

11

11

25

15

19

29

15

15

17

17

053

J1

13

25

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

29

18

9

9

11

11

25

15

19

29

15

15

17

17

056

J1

13

25

14

10

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

29

18

9

9

11

11

25

15

19

29

15

15

17

17

099

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24

14

11

11

15

12

12

12

12

13

28

18

9

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11

11

25

15

19

28

14

15

17

17

091

W

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10

13

16

11

12

12

14

13

30

17

9

9

11

12

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15

19

33

11

14

14

16

101

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23

13

10

13

16

11

12

12

14

13

30

18

9

9

11

12

26

15

19

33

11

14

14

16

Consistent with their more recent ancestor in common, samples 030 and 056 are identical at markers 26 through 37, but differ from 053 at three rapidly changing markers.

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ID#

Group

DYS460

GATAH4

YCAIIa

YCAIIb

DYS456

DYS607

DYS576

DYS570

CDY a

CDY b

DYS442

DYS438

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J1

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23

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16

18

17

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41

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12

053

J1

11

11

19

23

16

16

18

18

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41

12

12

056

J1

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11

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23

15

16

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17

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41

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12

Samples 030 and 053 have been tested for markers 37-67, and are identical over this set.
This is consistent with what we've observed in other groups; markers 26-37 generally show more variation than 38-67.