What is so hard to understand?

when we used to find some “primitive” tribe living on Earth that we viewed as backwards and in need of saving we would go right in and dazzle them
with our techno gadgets. Have a bit of fun with them believing that the gods had arrived for a bit then give them t-shirts.

In time we would teach them, they would become westernised and lose all their culture and adopt ours. In modern times we don’t do that, we actually
fence off their territory and make it a no go area, kind of like a nature reserve. We try not to influence their culture by introducing our techno
gadgets…we understand that this is wrong in the long term and causes more suffering then help. We would only intervene in a serious way if some
disaster/disease was about to wipe them out.

Well we on Earth are like that, we are the primitive backwards ones. Our section of space is protected and we are in quarantine because not only are
we primitive but we are a savage people with warlike tendency’s.

They are closely monitoring our progress. Some of our developments cause them great concern such as nuclear energy and developments in space travel
technologys. They don’t want us really leaving this rock and bringing our bad attitude with us. They are concerned that we might wipe ourselves out
with the weapons we have already created. They have taken sperm and egg samples from selected humans of every race if we do wipe ourselves out. We do
the same to animals, we shoot them with a tranquilising dart then electronically tag them and take samples. They do the same to us, they tag us also
with implants. They paralyse us also during such procedures because they know we are violent when frightened.

They will only intervene in a case of real emergency but even then will do so with as much discreetness as possible. Some of them look like us, can
actually pass as us on the street and these are the ones who are selected to discreetly direct us in a given direction. They are more advanced then us
technologically but more importantly they have psychic ability’s only a few of us have. They have lost the need to talk in order to communicate to
each other. They prefer to talk psychically and flash images to each other to help illustrate their views.

They know about our history, they know more about our history then we do. They know about Atlantis and its destruction. They know about the
intervention of the watchers (angles) in the past. They know that in time we will understand what the pyramids were and we will discover that some of
us are not originally from here. They know that a time of change is fast approaching and it is an important time for us, A time where we are on the
edge of the knife. If we tipple one way we are saved but if we tipple the other direction we destroy ourselves. Whatever happens they will watch with
interest and hope that we make it through.

Our area of space is monitored and direct action is taken against hostiles who try to breach security in order to manipulate, corrupt, genetically
tamper with or harm the peoples of Earth. They are brought to justice by their equivalent of the United Nations committee.

They don’t want to introduce their technology to us because they know we will probably abuse it. They try to recover or confiscate technological
devices that have accidently got into our hands or the more advanced of us have developed which maybe far beyond their correct time of revealing. They
have removed all the ancient technological devices that survived the destruction of Atlantis for fear of misuse.

When the time will come, if the time will come when we are mature as a people they will make official contact with us. Again the ones who will be
selected for this task are the ones who look most like us.

But for now they are here on earth undercover, some work in the field of politics, economics ,science and technology. They also have their own
research facilities hear on earth, some are underground, under water and at remote uninhabited parts of the earth.

Sometimes they occasionally communicate this reality with earth born humans but even then there are strict rules that must be followed designed to
protect us. Chief among these rules is leaving any physical evidence that will absolutely confirm their presence to the public at large. If such
information leaks out it is contained as quickly as possible even if lethal force is required in the interest of the masses.

They are in contact with the elite powers which operate on earth and have an information exchange program in place with them. I’m not talking about
the government leaders of the world, rather I am talking about the elect among the secret society’s who own and direct government leaders.

Amen to that, I believe 100% that we have been visited by Ancient aliens hundreds and even thousands of years ago. Man being able to lift a 96 foot
100 ton 'obelisk', is clearly a sign that we were helped by off world entities...plus the engravings on them almost look like they were made by
machines.

I was delighted last night to learn that I had formed the same opinion as Stephen Hawking, independently.

Our shared theory? That if there are advanced civilizations out there they are not friendly.

My evidence? Every. Single. Species. On Earth. If a species isn't killing it's own it's killing another. Even plants will choke each other out
competed for a spot in the sunshine. It's possible that life evolved out of peace and love on other planets, but all the evidence available to us
suggests otherwise.

Life on Earth, at least, is violent and competitive. We have absolutely NO evidence that aliens exist at all, and if they did, that they would be
peaceful. How can you write this whole thing up knowing that you cannot back up a single claim?

So why aren't the aliens here yet? Well, it could be that they're afraid of us like you claim. I mean, they mastered intergalactic travel to get
here, but definitely can't compete with our bullets and nukes. That makes sense.

It's more likely that if life exists, it's in tiny habitable pockets throughout the universe. Our radio signals haven't even reached the end of our
own galaxy yet, and we've heard no response. Why are we so arrogant to believe we're so special that aliens, out of all the vastness of space, would
choose to come here? Chances are that to anyone watching from a distance, they are seeing an ancient version of Earth with no signs of
civilization..

So I'm not saying your theory is impossible, just that it's the least likely answer and is based on scifi novels, bad television, and a lack of
understanding of reality.

Please try to stop talking about things you know absolutely nothing about as if you are privy to some secret information the rest of us don't have.

Originally posted by LUXUS
In time we would teach them, they would become westernised and lose all their culture and adopt ours. In modern times we don’t do that, we
actually fence off their territory and make it a no go area, kind of like a nature reserve. We try not to influence their culture by introducing our
techno gadgets…we understand that this is wrong in the long term and causes more suffering then help. We would only intervene in a serious way if
some disaster/disease was about to wipe them out.

Why would that be wrong in the long term? Their lifestyle is better than ours, they actually have more free time than we do: www.ditext.com...webcache.googleusercontent.com...:0d0HRZFS5xcJ:www.public.iastate.edu/~cfford/TheworstmistakeinthehistoryoftheHumanRaceF08.ppt+&cd=
8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Oh the irony, introducing them to modern life would actually cause them more grief. I, for one, vote not to ruin the lives of those who aren't born
into a life-ruining system. They escaped the machine, leave them alone

You don't think that Native Americans always complained of their new 'modernized' lifestyle because they just 'couldn't understand sophisticated
life'? No, if you only worked an average of 4 hours a day to feed yourself (what experts estimate) and had the rest of the day to yourself, how
awesome would that be? Then how much would it suck if someone told you just to survive, you'd have to work 10 hours a day (normal 9-5), then waste
life in traffic, in lines, constantly balancing your budget so you don't go under...

Think you need to reread, they are not frightened of us. Their technology is way ahead of ours, like guns against spears. They are rather concerned
that we will kill ourselves with our own weapons. They have shutdown nuclear weapon launch sites. They have actually shot down test missiles that they
thought carried a war head!

Sorry to be that guy but PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN. Where is your proof? I am sure most people who claim to have been abducted are liars, crazies,
attention whores, or profiteers.

Show me proof of this advanced alien civilization. PROTIP: Neil Gaiman is FICTIONAL and doesn't count as evidence.

So really, please, show me your evidence that aliens have infiltrated government and have been working clandestinely since the 30's to suppress
technologies and keep us tethered to this rock. PROOF is not OPINION. PROOF is something that can be shared and mutually agreed on as to what it
means.

Your personal account is not proof. Yesterday I danced with Marilyn Monroe while drinking cognac from a golden slipper. Prove I didn't.

What really gets me, is not the BELIEF in aliens. It's probable alien life exists. What kills me is the ASSERTION that we have any idea who they are,
what they want, where they're from, what technologies they have, etc. You know you are lying to yourselves but you allow yourself to continue doing
it.

To be honest, in my experience people who are die-hard believers in aliens tend to be very religious in their beliefs. They refuse rationality before
an argument ensues, ensuring that you will never get through to them. They are more closed minded in their belief than the skeptics are in their quest
for truth.

Originally posted by TinkerHaus
I was delighted last night to learn that I had formed the same opinion as Stephen Hawking, independently.

Our shared theory? That if there are advanced civilizations out there they are not friendly.

My evidence? Every. Single. Species. On Earth. If a species isn't killing it's own it's killing another. Even plants will choke each other out
competed for a spot in the sunshine. It's possible that life evolved out of peace and love on other planets, but all the evidence available to us
suggests otherwise.

Life on Earth, at least, is violent and competitive. We have absolutely NO evidence that aliens exist at all, and if they did, that they would be
peaceful. How can you write this whole thing up knowing that you cannot back up a single claim?

So why aren't the aliens here yet? Well, it could be that they're afraid of us like you claim. I mean, they mastered intergalactic travel to get
here, but definitely can't compete with our bullets and nukes. That makes sense.

It's more likely that if life exists, it's in tiny habitable pockets throughout the universe. Our radio signals haven't even reached the end of our
own galaxy yet, and we've heard no response. Why are we so arrogant to believe we're so special that aliens, out of all the vastness of space, would
choose to come here? Chances are that to anyone watching from a distance, they are seeing an ancient version of Earth with no signs of
civilization..

So I'm not saying your theory is impossible, just that it's the least likely answer and is based on scifi novels, bad television, and a lack of
understanding of reality.

Please try to stop talking about things you know absolutely nothing about as if you are privy to some secret information the rest of us don't have.

I am reading the posts in this thread and feel so much empathy for your position. You are indignant and angry for some reason. The OP's post implies
that part of the maturation of a species includes shedding the anger, violence and co-dependent competition. The maturation of a species involves
understanding and spiritual evolution.
You are correct. Violent, angry people who actually believe that survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, is the only means of existence will not
be participants in welcoming any outside influence. Not all ET's are benign, I am sure probability has allowed for some to achieve means of
interstellar travel without 'good intent'. I also believe that as a species truly matures, the typical behavior is growth and understanding for so
many of the same reasons people claim that competition is deadly. Resources are not infinite, emotions do exist (in humans anyways) and the desire to
improve oneself can manifest in many ways.

Asking someone to stop communicating in a rational, albeit speculative, manner is tantamount to social control.

Have any proof? Care to share your sources of evidence so we all can review it? You seem so convinced, convince the rest of us with hard data and not
conjecture or hippie logic.
I also support this thread being moved to skunkworks. There is no definitive source here to back up the claims you have made.

Originally posted by TinkerHaus
I was delighted last night to learn that I had formed the same opinion as Stephen Hawking, independently.

Our shared theory? That if there are advanced civilizations out there they are not friendly.

My evidence? Every. Single. Species. On Earth. If a species isn't killing it's own it's killing another. Even plants will choke each other out
competed for a spot in the sunshine. It's possible that life evolved out of peace and love on other planets, but all the evidence available to us
suggests otherwise.

Life on Earth, at least, is violent and competitive. We have absolutely NO evidence that aliens exist at all, and if they did, that they would be
peaceful. How can you write this whole thing up knowing that you cannot back up a single claim?

So why aren't the aliens here yet? Well, it could be that they're afraid of us like you claim. I mean, they mastered intergalactic travel to get here,
but definitely can't compete with our bullets and nukes. That makes sense.

It's more likely that if life exists, it's in tiny habitable pockets throughout the universe. Our radio signals haven't even reached the end of our
own galaxy yet, and we've heard no response. Why are we so arrogant to believe we're so special that aliens, out of all the vastness of space, would
choose to come here? Chances are that to anyone watching from a distance, they are seeing an ancient version of Earth with no signs of
civilization..

So I'm not saying your theory is impossible, just that it's the least likely answer and is based on scifi novels, bad television, and a lack of
understanding of reality.

Please try to stop talking about things you know absolutely nothing about as if you are privy to some secret information the rest of us don't have.

I am reading the posts in this thread and feel so much empathy for your position. You are indignant and angry for some reason. The OP's post implies
that part of the maturation of a species includes shedding the anger, violence and co-dependent competition. The maturation of a species involves
understanding and spiritual evolution.
You are correct. Violent, angry people who actually believe that survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, is the only means of existence will not
be participants in welcoming any outside influence. Not all ET's are benign, I am sure probability has allowed for some to achieve means of
interstellar travel without 'good intent'. I also believe that as a species truly matures, the typical behavior is growth and understanding for so
many of the same reasons people claim that competition is deadly. Resources are not infinite, emotions do exist (in humans anyways) and the desire to
improve oneself can manifest in many ways.

Asking someone to stop communicating in a rational, albeit speculative, manner is tantamount to social control.

I hope things get better for you. Peace.

1: You are putting words in my mouth and attributing thoughts to me that are not my own.

2: I'm not angry, or violent. In fact I'm positive I volunteer more time to civic causes than this entire thread put together. I love people and all
types of life. I don't need to believe in aliens or god to realize that I live on a very special and beautiful place.

3: I'm disappointed in the lack of rational thought, logic, and common sense in this thread. Not mad, not angry, not sad, disappointed.

4: Things are fine for me. My feet are planted firmly in reality, I am mostly successful and getting more so with each day. I make good money, have
nice things, and don't believe in the Easter Bunny. I'm doin' alright as things stand, thanks.

5: The key word in your post is "believe." Had the OP said "there are my personal beliefs, for which I have zero proof." I wouldn't have commented at
all. It's presenting personal belief based on mostly fictional works as fact that offends me.

6: I am not denying aliens exist. I'm not denying they have visited the Earth. I'm just saying it's highly, highly unlikely. I don't think any ancient
building proves aliens exist and helped ancient man build - all this PROVES is that we don't understand EVERYTHING, despite our perceived advances in
technology.

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