Legislation based on emotion and steamrolled through soon after a tragedy is always works out well. Why not restrict cars to 25 miles an hour because someone without a license drives drunk and kills a bunch of people?

6 posted on 01/14/2013 8:58:33 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude
(Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)

Just another NYS law on the books for law abiding citizens to obey. The criminal element have their own rules to follow and need not even be concerned over another law being added to the books. All the NYS laws have already shown how well they have deterred shootings. They continue to use Liberal Logic to all their problems. 7 round magazines? So 4 mags = 28 rounds or how many guns can you carry and have 7 rounds in each? AGRRRRRRRRR.

7 posted on 01/14/2013 9:01:08 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft
(Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)

together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.

These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation,

commonly called the first law of nature...

In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights;

when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.

If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty,

it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave."

It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies! "Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.

The Swiss have got it CORRECT ! We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today! These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

" Today, military service for Swiss males is universal. At about age 20, every Swiss male goes through 118 consecutive days of recruit training in the Rekrutenschule. ...

Even before required training begins, young men and women may take optional courses with the Swiss army's M57 assault rifle. They keep that gun at home for three months and receive six half-day training sessions.

From age 21 to 32, a Swiss man serves as a "frontline" troop in the Auszug, and devotes three weeks a year (in eight of the 12 years) to continued training. From age 33 to 42, he serves in the Landwehr (like America's National Guard); every few years, he reports for two-week training periods. Finally, from ages 43, to 50, he serves in the Landsturm; in this period, he only spends 13 days total in "home guard courses."

Over a soldier's career he also spends scattered days on mandatory equipment inspections and required target practice. Thus, in a 30-year mandatory military career, a Swiss man only spends about one year in direct military service. Following discharge from the regular army, men serve on reserve status until age 50 (55 for officers).

By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms.After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service.

Today, enlisted men are issued M57 AUTOMATIC assault rifles and officers are given pistol. Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use.

(Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)

After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation.Starting in the 1994, the government will GIVE ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

Reservists are encouraged to buy MILITARY ammunition

(7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols)

which is sold AT COST by the government, for target practice .Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidised, but are subiect to NO sales controls. Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.

Swiss military ammo must be registered IF bought at a private store, BUT NEED NOT BE REGISTERED IF bought at a range.The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition. Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.

The army SELLS a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons.Purchasers of these weapons require an EASILY OBTAINED cantonal license, and the weapons are registered. In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,000 FULLY AUTOMATIC assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns. Virtually every home has a gun.

Besides SUBSIDIZED military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too. While long guns require NO special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority. A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are NO restrictions on the carrying of long guns. About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have NO rules at all. There is NO discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require NO PURCHASE PERMIT and are NOT registered by the government.Thus, the ONLY long guns registered by the government are FULL AUTOMATICS."

New Yorkers live in the northeast equivalent of kalifornia. In both places reality is defined by politicians who think they know what is best for everybody and their constituents just continue to let them do it.

Get a New Yorker (my relatives) into Arizona or New Mexico and they are amazed at:

1) The lack of people

2) Two hours driving time between destinations

3) The open lands

4) The lack of public transportation

5) The fact they can't order takeout

6) Everybody they meet is friendly

7) Places are closed after 8 PM and on Sunday

8) You can get a large soft drink and salt on your fries at Dairy Queen.

New Yorkers live in the northeast equivalent of kalifornia. In both places reality is defined by politicians who think they know what is best for everybody and their constituents just continue to let them do it.

Get a New Yorker (my relatives) into Arizona or New Mexico and they are amazed at:

1) The lack of people

2) Two hours driving time between destinations

3) The open lands

4) The lack of public transportation

5) The fact they can't order takeout

6) Everybody they meet is friendly

7) Places are closed after 8 PM and on Sunday

8) You can get a large soft drink and salt on your fries at Dairy Queen.

My wife and I have been considering moving to a red state for a while. My aging parents in NJ have made this decision extremely difficult. This new gun control stuff is pushing us to start making more concrete plans. I don’t want my children to grow up in a police state that puts the worst behavior on a pedestal and simultaneously abrogates every personal freedom (except who you have sex with).

I haven’t seen anything in this thread on this part of the NBC article on this purported deal:

“Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law that allows for civil confinement of people determined to be a threat to others.”

Gee, guess who gets to say who is “determined to be a threat to others”? Sounds a lot like the old USSR if you ask me. I’d treat the government with as much respect as that of the old USSR - which is to say I’d break the law every chance I got where I think that I could get away with it. Government is breaking, and has been breaking the social contract for a long time, and as such the people have no moral obligation to continue to abide by it. Only force majeure keeps me obeying the law now.