pier4r wrote:No it is very difficult for you to lose elo (you lose crumbs, that one victory will offset), but it is also very frustrating after a certain gap.

The problem is, even though one victory would offset all those losses, I'm not going to get a victory against mrchris or any of the people in his tier. So eventually I, and everyone who's about the same as me or just below me are eventually going to get pushed into silver. Then we'll push all the silver people down into bronze. Maybe in the short run this will be okay, but eventually its just going to lead to a much larger gap between the top players and everyone else.

I mean, you can't just arbitrarily increase league size to give the top players more matches. They'll just casually stomp all the people below them, and then we'll just go down to whatever the second league is. Even if we can hold on to gold, having us match against the top players doesn't really help the playerbase. If I constantly face mrchris, I'm just going to stop matching. And even if I do keep playing anyway, its not like he gains from constantly beating me. It just wastes both of our time. The top players get the same amount of good matches, but everyone outside the top 25 gets a ton of pointless matches.

Melkor wrote:The problem is, even though one victory would offset all those losses, I'm not going to get a victory against mrchris or any of the people in his tier. So eventually I, and everyone who's about the same as me or just below me are eventually going to get pushed into silver.

No we had this already for months, it does not happen. But yes, it bring a lot of players to quit quickly. Unfortunately it seems that sometimes the same experience has to be repeated multiple times to be understood. The actual league is better than how it was before (before was from 2200 to 1300) but it is worse than the middle experience (from 2200 to 1750). We will see.

Melkor wrote:The problem is, even though one victory would offset all those losses, I'm not going to get a victory against mrchris or any of the people in his tier. So eventually I, and everyone who's about the same as me or just below me are eventually going to get pushed into silver.

No we had this already for months, it does not happen. But yes, it bring a lot of players to quit quickly. Unfortunately it seems that sometimes the same experience has to be repeated multiple times to be understood. The actual league is better than how it was before (before was from 2200 to 1300) but it is worse than the middle experience (from 2200 to 1750). We will see.

Melkor wrote:The problem is, even though one victory would offset all those losses, I'm not going to get a victory against mrchris or any of the people in his tier. So eventually I, and everyone who's about the same as me or just below me are eventually going to get pushed into silver.

I'm just going to say that during 6.1.3 when I stopped using tags (and couldn't use action filters because they wasn't in the game yet), I pretty much was always beaten badly by the higher ranked players, yet I never got demoted out of the top league. And during 7.x, when a bunch of players without snipers playing against players with snipers was a massive issue, despite losing basically every match, they still found it hard to even try to get demoted on purpose to fight players that was easier to beat. So quite simply, this really isn't true at all

Melkor wrote:The problem is, even though one victory would offset all those losses, I'm not going to get a victory against mrchris or any of the people in his tier. So eventually I, and everyone who's about the same as me or just below me are eventually going to get pushed into silver.

I'm just going to say that during 6.1.3 when I stopped using tags (and couldn't use action filters because they wasn't in the game yet), I pretty much was always beaten badly by the higher ranked players, yet I never got demoted out of the top league. And during 7.x, when a bunch of players without snipers playing against players with snipers was a massive issue, despite losing basically every match, they still found it hard to even try to get demoted on purpose to fight players that was easier to beat. So quite simply, this really isn't true at all