Was scared of Civ due to its complexity in the other versions. This one seemed a bit easier to manage. So i bought it last night on Steam. I started the game around 8:30pm, about 20 minutes later it was 11:51pm. yeh i'd say its quite the good game this Civ 5 XD

Haven't had a crash either yet, tho i must say around industrial era on larger maps it takes more time for my PC to process the AI turns than it takes me to manage 8 cities. Still waiting for patches and expansions, after all it's been the case with every Civ that they get their awesome status only after about a year or two of fixing the initial release.

I don't hate the new Civ as much as I'm ambivalent to it. It's still Civ, and you still research the same stuff, get the same units, race to build all the wonders you can, improve your lands, etc. There's some new stuff and some old stuff in there. But the game seems to have tried so hard to lose any extra weight and streamline itself that I fear it may have just pushed itself into blandness. After finishing one full game of it (Space victory, of course, the only one that counts IMO) I don't feel the need to play it any more. There's just not much that can go differently. I'd research the same tech, improve the cities in largely the same way and the whole thing would go more or less the same way it does every time. There's just not much replay value. Granted, I felt mostly the same about most Civ games...

I think I'll go install Alpha Centauri now. THAT was a good Civ game. So many ways it can play out, so many ways to build and focus your development. It was just a deeper game than almost any regular Civ game...

I think the fact that so many people are pissed at Civ V is a testament to how good Civ IV is. Civ IV added a lot of flavor to the game that was stripped away in Civ V, and people always get pissed if you remove stuff from games.

I like Civ V but I do think that it has been dumbed down a lot, except for the combat. But I'm not worried because Civ V is ultra-moddable and I'm sure it won't take long until Civ V is spiced up for those of us who like a more complex Civ-experience.

I know its going to happen as soon as I post this but mine has only crashed once, the first time I went to run it. I've noticed the same happening with other Steam games so I just brushed it off as start up pains. Since then it hasn't crashed for me, even when I alt+tab (which tends to break a great many games).

Tiamat666:I think the fact that so many people are pissed at Civ V is a testament to how good Civ IV is. Civ IV added a lot of flavor to the game that was stripped away in Civ V, and people always get pissed if you remove stuff from games.

Sadly, such fanboys obviously never heard Sid Meier talk about game design and Civilization. He's specifically stated that if you keep adding features, after a few iterations you would have a game so complex that no new people can ever play it, because there's too much to learn. So while he always adds and innovates to every game, he also trims out parts of the game deemed unnecessary, so that by Civ10, you don't have to take a few semesters in graduate school to play it.

DTWolfwood:Was scared of Civ due to its complexity in the other versions. This one seemed a bit easier to manage. So i bought it last night on Steam. I started the game around 8:30pm, about 20 minutes later it was 11:51pm. yeh i'd say its quite the good game this Civ 5 XD

DTWolfwood:Was scared of Civ due to its complexity in the other versions. This one seemed a bit easier to manage. So i bought it last night on Steam. I started the game around 8:30pm, about 20 minutes later it was 11:51pm. yeh i'd say its quite the good game this Civ 5 XD

in one play trough i was placed RIGHT next to ghandi, and a city state just above us, another city state (which served also as a "frontier" between me and suleiman and rome) asked that we destroyed the former one, so i created some army, and attacked, by this time Ghandi and me were with our borders relativelly one on top of the other, but neither had "sailing"

i capture the former city state, and ghandi goes ahead and starts being insulted and all, this was my first game, and i thought "yeah bitch, what are you gonna do about it!?" and in the next turn he had 5 catapults, a bunch of spear men, and well, some "elephants"? i dont know what they are called, havent gottem them my self

so, yeah, i was like "O SHIII..."

good thing he didnt went "all out war" on me, but i was "compelled" to agree to everything he asked from that point onward, haha.

Tiamat666:I think the fact that so many people are pissed at Civ V is a testament to how good Civ IV is. Civ IV added a lot of flavor to the game that was stripped away in Civ V, and people always get pissed if you remove stuff from games.

I like Civ V but I do think that it has been dumbed down a lot, except for the combat. But I'm not worried because Civ V is ultra-moddable and I'm sure it won't take long until Civ V is spiced up for those of us who like a more complex Civ-experience.

Im still mainly pissed at Civ's time limit.

yea, players can zerg rush wonders and get a space victory at about 1100 A.D., but an Endurance or Survival....or hell, a Sandbox mode would of been a nice edition.

{I have yet to play the full Civ V, so I dont know if it does or doesnt.}

OT: I dont know why Gandhi is the butt of aggression jokes for the Civ Series, yes, he was a pacifist IRL, but in Civ IV I had the FRENCH attack me openly and NOT delcare war, when I called bullshit they countered with tanks, THOUSANDS OF THEM.

DTWolfwood:Was scared of Civ due to its complexity in the other versions. This one seemed a bit easier to manage. So i bought it last night on Steam. I started the game around 8:30pm, about 20 minutes later it was 11:51pm. yeh i'd say its quite the good game this Civ 5 XD

The outcries from both of those parties are so annoying, I love it but I don't understand why people get angry at another person's opinion and insult them for it, of course that could apply to anything.

I count myself quite lucky that I've never had a crash problem with Civ V.

Edit: I have a feeling a lot of the complaints levelled at Civ V for being dumbed down is that people have toruble seperating Civ IV once it was fully expanded and vanilla Civ IV. The vanilla versions of both aren't remarkably different in terms of complexity, Civ V just LOOKS less complex.

It crashed so many times on my laptop :(Makes me sad, almost sad enough to a have an undead Ghandi negotiate the release of a patch with Firaxis (and possibly burn the place down in the process)...Something for the next comic perhaps: the goddamn AI. Barbarian ships happily sail near my cities until they are destroyed, workers build farms only to tear them down and build mines instead, the other players have units wander between two places every turn, and they just won't fuckin' relent with their offers of peace, and trade, and not burning down orphanages...

Love it myself, and Ghandi scares me - I just wanna make peace and he sends nukes to me! ;o

And yay for Dark ages!

You have tempted the Microsoft Gremlins; your game will inevitable crash next time you play!

Ghandi never bothered me, but whenever I play on a challenging difficulty I pray to all of the Gods that Montezuma isn't going to show up near me; he always attacks even to the detriment of both of us!

My biggest issue with the Civ series has always been the diplomacy as the AI players always seem to want an arm and a leg when all they are willing to give you is fingernail clippings unless you are in an position of overwhelming power. And by overwhelming power I of course mean having taken everyone of their cities and have surrounded and ready to take their capital.

Honestly I find the whole Civ 5 crashing thing to be part of why I'm loving it thus far, as I spent several years playing the original Civ despite it's tendency to either crash or completely freeze up on me. Ahhhh nostalgia, how you burden me so.

Yeah; Civ V crashes constantly for me; when I fire up the DX10 version it crashes about 5 seconds after I start playing a map, even though my graphics card should support it; and when I run the DX9 version it still has a tendency to crash once in a while, which usually means it will crash after 3 to 5 straight hours of gaming without saves.

DTWolfwood:Was scared of Civ due to its complexity in the other versions. This one seemed a bit easier to manage. So i bought it last night on Steam. I started the game around 8:30pm, about 20 minutes later it was 11:51pm. yeh i'd say its quite the good game this Civ 5 XD

Welcome to our dream. Welcome to our nightmare.

Slighty off topic, but would you say Civ is more engaging online?I've never had the urge to play online on a civ game...