The rest of the servers are less than 100 which makes them open. Anet measures the threshold by play hours in WvW (or they use this as one of the main metrics), the problem is BG's "X" is considerably larger than the rest, and nobody can get remotely close to it. Despite what Anet says otherwise, BG has a much larger populace that plays more often. This is evident because I have 2 friends that play on BG who routinely send me screenshots of multiple qued maps during times that no other server can and will ever match under these metrics. JQ might be 100, YB, might be 100+10, but BG might be 100+100 (and that is being conservative.

Point being, even if JQ or any other servers opens up, their population aren't likely going to shoot up so far past 100 that it will equal BG's 100+100. Not unless there is some coordinated effort to do so, much like how BG has done multiple controlled blackouts to pull in certain guilds.

It's not that JQ needs to open up, BG needs to be blown up and deleted, then the players (and guilds) scattered randomly, throughout other servers. Then those players can transfer where they see fit (if they can, if a server isn't full). Give the server a month or so warning before it gets deleted to allow players to transfer off to another with friends or guild mates.

All 12 guests and 1 host were marked medium population. Want to know what Medium means? Maybe 3 guilds of 5-10 people and anywhere from 30-50 pugs, forget timezones, they play whenever they feel like it, they're disorganized to a fault and prefer it that way.

What exactly was JQ hoping for by dropping...take a link from another server that desperately needed those 50-80 people? Open up and hope 1 or 2 of the guest pugs would transfer over?

In an alternate universe JQ happily, albeit through gritted teeth rotated between T1 and T2 for 8 weeks just like Mag and whatever T3 server was tricked into doing so last link in this universe did. In an alternate universe JQ opened and got transfers from top tier servers and their guests. In this universe, JQ gambled and rightfully so lost.

Purposeful failure of that magnitude should not and thankfully WAS not rewarded. There is no conspiracy, only a line of pop woes that can no longer withstand anyone trying to "cut" in that line.

The rest of the servers are less than 100 which makes them open. Anet measures the threshold by play hours in WvW (or they use this as one of the main metrics), the problem is BG's "X" is considerably larger than the rest, and nobody can get remotely close to it. Despite what Anet says otherwise, BG has a much larger populace that plays more often. This is evident because I have 2 friends that play on BG who routinely send me screenshots of multiple qued maps during times that no other server can and will ever match under these metrics. JQ might be 100, YB, might be 100+10, but BG might be 100+100 (and that is being conservative.

Point being, even if JQ or any other servers opens up, their population aren't likely going to shoot up so far past 100 that it will equal BG's 100+100. Not unless there is some coordinated effort to do so, much like how BG has done multiple controlled blackouts to pull in certain guilds.

It's not that JQ needs to open up, BG needs to be blown up and deleted, then the players (and guilds) scattered randomly, throughout other servers. Then those players can transfer where they see fit (if they can, if a server isn't full). Give the server a month or so warning before it gets deleted to allow players to transfer off to another with friends or guild mates.

Only if ALL players from ALL servers are randomly distributed regardless of guild or server.

The rest of the servers are less than 100 which makes them open. Anet measures the threshold by play hours in WvW (or they use this as one of the main metrics), the problem is BG's "X" is considerably larger than the rest, and nobody can get remotely close to it. Despite what Anet says otherwise, BG has a much larger populace that plays more often. This is evident because I have 2 friends that play on BG who routinely send me screenshots of multiple qued maps during times that no other server can and will ever match under these metrics. JQ might be 100, YB, might be 100+10, but BG might be 100+100 (and that is being conservative.

Point being, even if JQ or any other servers opens up, their population aren't likely going to shoot up so far past 100 that it will equal BG's 100+100. Not unless there is some coordinated effort to do so, much like how BG has done multiple controlled blackouts to pull in certain guilds.

It's not that JQ needs to open up, BG needs to be blown up and deleted, then the players (and guilds) scattered randomly, throughout other servers. Then those players can transfer where they see fit (if they can, if a server isn't full). Give the server a month or so warning before it gets deleted to allow players to transfer off to another with friends or guild mates.

So.. Anet is lying? Within 90% of the play hours was the statement. That's a fallacy then?

The rest of the servers are less than 100 which makes them open. Anet measures the threshold by play hours in WvW (or they use this as one of the main metrics), the problem is BG's "X" is considerably larger than the rest, and nobody can get remotely close to it. Despite what Anet says otherwise, BG has a much larger populace that plays more often. This is evident because I have 2 friends that play on BG who routinely send me screenshots of multiple qued maps during times that no other server can and will ever match under these metrics. JQ might be 100, YB, might be 100+10, but BG might be 100+100 (and that is being conservative.

Point being, even if JQ or any other servers opens up, their population aren't likely going to shoot up so far past 100 that it will equal BG's 100+100. Not unless there is some coordinated effort to do so, much like how BG has done multiple controlled blackouts to pull in certain guilds.

It's not that JQ needs to open up, BG needs to be blown up and deleted, then the players (and guilds) scattered randomly, throughout other servers. Then those players can transfer where they see fit (if they can, if a server isn't full). Give the server a month or so warning before it gets deleted to allow players to transfer off to another with friends or guild mates.

So.. Anet is lying? Within 90% of the play hours was the statement. That's a fallacy then?

Been trying to say they have a bias. They are not even following their own rules as they described them to us. We need the restoration of how the mode was handled at launch. What they are doing the past couple of years is failing. Besides that fact that pip, node, and daily farmers can probably skew the heck out of "play hours".

The rest of the servers are less than 100 which makes them open. Anet measures the threshold by play hours in WvW (or they use this as one of the main metrics), the problem is BG's "X" is considerably larger than the rest, and nobody can get remotely close to it. Despite what Anet says otherwise, BG has a much larger populace that plays more often. This is evident because I have 2 friends that play on BG who routinely send me screenshots of multiple qued maps during times that no other server can and will ever match under these metrics. JQ might be 100, YB, might be 100+10, but BG might be 100+100 (and that is being conservative.

population on reset:
BG 5 maps
YB 4.5 maps
JQ 2.5 maps

So why is the "100" set so low then? On reset, all 4 maps should be filled. Cannot expect a match to be so wildly imbalanced that a World gets a free map or two. That's not competitive at all.

The rest of the servers are less than 100 which makes them open. Anet measures the threshold by play hours in WvW (or they use this as one of the main metrics), the problem is BG's "X" is considerably larger than the rest, and nobody can get remotely close to it. Despite what Anet says otherwise, BG has a much larger populace that plays more often. This is evident because I have 2 friends that play on BG who routinely send me screenshots of multiple qued maps during times that no other server can and will ever match under these metrics. JQ might be 100, YB, might be 100+10, but BG might be 100+100 (and that is being conservative.

population on reset:
BG 5 maps
YB 4.5 maps
JQ 2.5 maps

So why is the "100" set so low then? On reset, all 4 maps should be filled. Cannot expect a match to be so wildly imbalanced that a World gets a free map or two. That's not competitive at all.

The threshold is set to push people off overpopulated worlds. You may not feel this is good.

The rest of the servers are less than 100 which makes them open. Anet measures the threshold by play hours in WvW (or they use this as one of the main metrics), the problem is BG's "X" is considerably larger than the rest, and nobody can get remotely close to it. Despite what Anet says otherwise, BG has a much larger populace that plays more often. This is evident because I have 2 friends that play on BG who routinely send me screenshots of multiple qued maps during times that no other server can and will ever match under these metrics. JQ might be 100, YB, might be 100+10, but BG might be 100+100 (and that is being conservative.

Point being, even if JQ or any other servers opens up, their population aren't likely going to shoot up so far past 100 that it will equal BG's 100+100. Not unless there is some coordinated effort to do so, much like how BG has done multiple controlled blackouts to pull in certain guilds.

It's not that JQ needs to open up, BG needs to be blown up and deleted, then the players (and guilds) scattered randomly, throughout other servers. Then those players can transfer where they see fit (if they can, if a server isn't full). Give the server a month or so warning before it gets deleted to allow players to transfer off to another with friends or guild mates.

So.. Anet is lying? Within 90% of the play hours was the statement. That's a fallacy then?

Been trying to say they have a bias. They are not even following their own rules as they described them to us.

They are following their own rules. They instituted the manual piece because of the volumes of complaints about servers (yes BG) doing blackouts to open their server. This kept JQ from doing the same thing. Say what you will: they are following their rules and it worked as intended

We need the restoration of how the mode was handled at launch. What they are doing the past couple of years is failing.

What was being done at launch created the BG and JQ monsters.

Besides that fact that pip, node, and daily farmers can probably skew the heck out of "play hours".

Ok. So..., no other server has this issue? It's only a JQ problem?
Look on these boards. Everyone talks about BGs causal, huge PvE player-base.

Have you counted the guilds in the last year who left BG? No? Try it. And how many current guilds raid regularly. It's working how Anet wanted.

To be brutally honest and burst anyones balloon. Those numbers you see in this pic are frightfully similar to BG. In all honesty BG had less of an EBG que.

It has always been the same case though, its not a story of numbers so much, the top servers all have the same round a bout playerbase. But there is a massive skill difference in those leading the pugs and the types of guilds on those servers.

Given, BG has Mez U Up, but other than that, we have pretty solid drivers all round, with some of them doing some big hours. When people mention JQ, there has NEVER, in my opinion been a decent driver on JQ EVER. I mean, i hear "Cloudfly" and "Malevolent Omen" and i ROFLMLFAOLOLZ and then 1 push.

@Vermillion.4061 said:
JQ's goal was to tank for 3 weeks before the holidays and hope that the trend continues since holidays and all to have the server open.

JQ never wanted a link to begin with just to become open.

If JQ is too big to not even have a link, then I doubt that they will open.

by what metric are we "too big"? We're done with the blackout and even before it all we could muster was consolidating down to two full maps and another about half full during reset. Here's tonight for some examples.

From a month ago, prior to any thought of a blackout. We consolidated down to two maps on reset with only [ONS] on Mag BL. DB BL was left basically empty with maybe a couple roamers. This radical imbalance between the populations of the "full" worlds is pretty much what caused the blackout to begin with.

First, stop posting screen shots of queues and trying to pass it off as some kind of evidence. Lets face it, people cherry pick the times and numbers they want to display so it favors their talking points.

Second, unless you have the data for your entire server, at all times, you need to stop acting as if what you see in WvW during your playtime, is the only thing that is relevant. Just because you might not see a queue during your playtime does not mean ANYTHING, it does not mean that your server should not be closed.

Third, knock it off with the ridiculous conspiracy theories. If I want to see a bunch of made up stories, trying to pass off as news, with no evidence to back it up I'll watch CNN.

Fourth, maybe some people on JQ should put aside their egos, stop with the politics, and just play.

Guilds may not make population, but they do carry organization and structure for militia to follow and adjust to.

FYI, that you want to call it BG propaganda because it doesn't fit what you want to believe is asinine. XTD isn't calling for a closing of the thread, only anticipating it because it's turning into a matchup thread. We can tell you all day long what our q times are, how many commanders, militia, guilds, whatever, but at the end of the day JQ wants to blame anyone but themselves for the state of things on their server. You can all blame BG if you want, and let's face it, you will because it's easier to blame BG for everything. But what you should be doing is logging into the game. Play. Have fun. Which is what XTD said and you ignored because GASP, you'd rather attack him as a BG player than entertain anything he has to say.

@radiantbliss.6875 said:
Guilds may not make population, but they do carry organization and structure for militia to follow and adjust to.

FYI, that you want to call it BG propaganda because it doesn't fit what you want to believe is asinine. XTD isn't calling for a closing of the thread, only anticipating it because it's turning into a matchup thread. We can tell you all day long what our q times are, how many commanders, militia, guilds, whatever, but at the end of the day JQ wants to blame anyone but themselves for the state of things on their server. You can all blame BG if you want, and let's face it, you will because it's easier to blame BG for everything. But what you should be doing is logging into the game. Play. Have fun. Which is what XTD said and you ignored because GASP, you'd rather attack him as a BG player than entertain anything he has to say.

Let's be honest, would you ever be for JQ having equal access to the population capacity BG has? No, you would not. That's what this is about, keeping BG's advantage. That's why all of a sudden BG players are coming into the thread.

@radiantbliss.6875 said:
Guilds may not make population, but they do carry organization and structure for militia to follow and adjust to.

FYI, that you want to call it BG propaganda because it doesn't fit what you want to believe is asinine. XTD isn't calling for a closing of the thread, only anticipating it because it's turning into a matchup thread. We can tell you all day long what our q times are, how many commanders, militia, guilds, whatever, but at the end of the day JQ wants to blame anyone but themselves for the state of things on their server. You can all blame BG if you want, and let's face it, you will because it's easier to blame BG for everything. But what you should be doing is logging into the game. Play. Have fun. Which is what XTD said and you ignored because GASP, you'd rather attack him as a BG player than entertain anything he has to say.

Let's be honest, would you ever be for JQ having equal access to the population capacity BG has? No, you would not. That's what this is about, keeping BG's advantage. That's why all of a sudden BG players are coming into the thread.

I don't think JQ is that far off. But you disagree. The play hours tell a different story. Don't use the last 4 weeks. Everyone knows those were bogus.

And this IS about BG. Or more importantly, that BG threshold which is where JQ is near, thus keeping BOTH servers closed.

@DeWolfe.2174 said:
Let's be honest, would you ever be for JQ having equal access to the population capacity BG has? No, you would not. That's what this is about, keeping BG's advantage. That's why all of a sudden BG players are coming into the thread.

You are making all kinds of incorrect assumptions. Stop drinking whatever koolaid you are drinking (I will say this every time we talk until you listen). It's not about advantage of BG. You honestly think we sit in a dark room cackling about how we can defeat all the servers and stay in t1? Want to know why BG came in here, because you were talking about BG. You don't want firsthand accounts about the server because it doesn't fit what you want to believe.

@DeWolfe.2174 said:
Let's be honest, would you ever be for JQ having equal access to the population capacity BG has? No, you would not. That's what this is about, keeping BG's advantage. That's why all of a sudden BG players are coming into the thread.

You are making all kinds of incorrect assumptions. Stop drinking whatever koolaid you are drinking (I will say this every time we talk until you listen). It's not about advantage of BG. You honestly think we sit in a dark room cackling about how we can defeat all the servers and stay in t1? Want to know why BG came in here, because you were talking about BG. You don't want firsthand accounts about the server because it doesn't fit what you want to believe.

I'm posting screen shots from my BG account. So please, do tell us all what fits your reality?

@Strider Pj.2193 said:
And this IS about BG. Or more importantly, that BG threshold which is where JQ is near, thus keeping BOTH servers closed.

I'm showing you JQ is no where near BG's population. Even with pre-blackout numbers you still deny the obvious.

Yes, you are all right. BG is definitely in cahoots with ANET, I, the self proclaimed Hypemander of BG will tell you all of our dirty secrets.

Secret 1 : We rally our pugs.
Secret 2: We don't run from fights 24/7.
Secret 3: We don't give up at the first sign of trouble.
Secret 4: We have dedicated people to do PPT.
Secret 5: We are debbie downers like the rest of you guys and actually stay positive.
The top 5 secrets. What? Want more? Gotcha.
Secret 6: We are not invicible, just like the Empire in SW you can easily take us down with teamwork. We are human.
Secret 7: If it truly took you this long to understand that BG is not in cahoots with ANET... well you have an issue.

What is being asked for is the access and opportunity to have an equal population to BG. Every other world has access by either being open now or linked. JQ is the only world being manually denied access by the Dev's to earning an equal population. An equal population, not 70% of BG nor 80% of BG but, 100% equality. That is how a competition should be run.

What is being asked for is the access and opportunity to have an equal population to BG. Every other world has access by either being open now or linked. JQ is the only world being manually denied access by the Dev's to earning an equal population. An equal population, not 70% of BG nor 80% of BG but, 100% equality. That is how a competition should be run.

@IzaOkami.7361 said:
Yes, you are all right. BG is definitely in cahoots with ANET, I, the self proclaimed Hypemander of BG will tell you all of our dirty secrets.

Secret 1 : We rally our pugs.
Secret 2: We don't run from fights 24/7.
Secret 3: We don't give up at the first sign of trouble.
Secret 4: We have dedicated people to do PPT.
Secret 5: We are debbie downers like the rest of you guys and actually stay positive.
The top 5 secrets. What? Want more? Gotcha.
Secret 6: We are not invicible, just like the Empire in SW you can easily take us down with teamwork. We are human.
Secret 7: If it truly took you this long to understand that BG is not in cahoots with ANET... well you have an issue.

Nah your not in cahoots. You were just allowed to exploit the system multiple times to over-inflate the population before Anet decided to put a stop to it screwing other servers. Which now technically means, every player who plays WvW regularly should be removed from BG 1 by 1 (starting from the last transfer and working their way down).

Removing say AC's from the game would go leaps in bounds in dealing with bg due to their tendency to hide behind them and refusal to come out and fight (unless the outnumber their opponent). Nothing much can be done about that aspect unless Anet closes a couple of maps down forcing a conglomeration of players onto 2 maps (which they should do anyway due to lack of people to fill).

One of the easiest ways is to simply deal with the population discrepancy is to shut down Desert BL and one of the Alpine's only allowing 2 maps.

TC was lockbanned for ages after most Guilds left. There were like 5-10 people Groups forever and never got unlocked.
Then Blobgate couldnt beat Maguuma for some time so they tanked down to T2 and Arenanet opened them 1 week later and had to open TC too.

Huh... weird. Last time I re-call we always step out to fight people even with the smaller numbers, even today was proof in a defense for SMC. YB had the bigger force, we still fought them outside of siege and pushed them out. It's called coordination, dunno if you heard of that but it is a thing.

Second lol... Please do not try and claim one server is siege humping when I have seen each server that has come to T1 hug that siege like no tomorrow, especially when they need to defend. Just letting you it's called World vs World. Not "Yo let's just fight and forget about defending stuff.".

Well leave it at that, logic obviously doesn't apply here and each server will cry "OH IT'S BGs FAULT THAT WE ARE SO BAD!" and constantly whine and complain sorry to burst your bubble, but even if you had our I guess "population" you would still be just as bad, un-organized and you would get pushed out. Stay dedicated and organized like we are and the fruits of labor will show, till then stay frosty.

@IzaOkami.7361 said:
Huh... weird. Last time I re-call we always step out to fight people even with the smaller numbers, even today was proof in a defense for SMC. YB had the bigger force, we still fought them outside of siege and pushed them out. It's called coordination, dunno if you heard of that but it is a thing.

Second lol... Please do not try and claim one server is siege humping when I have seen each server that has come to T1 hug that siege like no tomorrow, especially when they need to defend. Just letting you it's called World vs World. Not "Yo let's just fight and forget about defending stuff.".

Well leave it at that, logic obviously doesn't apply here and each server will cry "OH IT'S BGs FAULT THAT WE ARE SO BAD!" and constantly whine and complain sorry to burst your bubble, but even if you had our I guess "population" you would still be just as bad, un-organized and you would get pushed out. Stay dedicated and organized like we are and the fruits of labor will show, till then stay frosty.

Yea it’s so easy to be organised and be united in an objective when your links change every 2 months.

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

Amd now you may wonder why ppt is so high. Because it’s t4 and cloud fly is the champion in ppt.

So, we are to take your word for that despite the 'visual evidence' of the queues, yet, a BG player saying that guilds have left and population has decreased, is met with scorn and ridicule despite the visual evidence.

@IzaOkami.7361 said:
Please do not try and claim one server is siege humping

You missed the entire point that is was not about siege, it was that I was beside her on map to see her. Since my capacity to "see" what was going on was questioned.

Except that you are blind as a bat since I wasn't on siege. So all you managed to do was prove you can look and not see and understand. Proving you only want to "see" what you want to see.

You were standing idle behind the gate beside two shield gens. Some siege was actively being build up the staircase and on the wall around the NE inner gate. Of course, I might have been a bit blinded by your Sylvari, bright enough?

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

Amd now you may wonder why ppt is so high. Because it’s t4 and cloud fly is the champion in ppt.

So, we are to take your word for that despite the 'visual evidence' of the queues, yet, a BG player saying that guilds have left and population has decreased, is met with scorn and ridicule despite the visual evidence.

Got it.

I mean.. even if that was the case and BG lost population.. BG itself continues to stomp T1 with high KDA. That's a fact. So you wont find empathy from many (any? lol) players about BG's "player loss" plight.

Compare "bg has lost guilds" and still holds a very steady #1 position in T1 with 2.0+ KDA and some of the highest PPT across all WvW host servers, and "jq has lost guilds" where they can't compete in T1 anymore and have steadily fallen to a T2/T3 server despite having high KDA.

Yet both are full and linkless, despite showing very different results.

Yesterday was pretty pathetic for NA prime. JQ had zero map queues until one hour in, and zero people pinned on home red BL. Literally owned zero structures or camps there. You can blame holidays, but that wasnt the case on any other "full" server.

It’s first day of reset and it’s holiday season. You also do realise it’s the largest SEA guild of the server that runs 10-15 people and 3 other 100% completely dead maps that has 0 activities?

Amd now you may wonder why ppt is so high. Because it’s t4 and cloud fly is the champion in ppt.

So, we are to take your word for that despite the 'visual evidence' of the queues, yet, a BG player saying that guilds have left and population has decreased, is met with scorn and ridicule despite the visual evidence.

Got it.

I mean.. even if that was the case and BG lost population.. BG itself continues to stomp T1 with high KDA. That's a fact. So you wont find empathy from many (any? lol) players about BG's "player loss" plight.

Compare "bg has lost guilds" and still holds a very steady #1 position in T1 with 2.0+ KDA and some of the highest PPT across all WvW host servers, and "jq has lost guilds" where they can't compete in T1 anymore and have steadily fallen to a T2/T3 server despite having high KDA.

Yet both are full and linkless, despite showing very different results.

Yesterday was pretty pathetic for NA prime. JQ had zero map queues until one hour in, and zero people pinned on home red BL. Literally owned zero structures or camps there. You can blame holidays, but that wasnt the case on any other "full" server.

JQ is asking for sympathy. BG isn't. BG isn't asking to be opened.

JQ didn't even merit a link. Maybe that should tell you that you aren't as empty as you think.