Greed: a selfish desire to posess more of something than what's needed.

It fits.

Except that I'm neither greedy or selfish. Needy maybe.Its obvious my systems pretty good until I use the center channel. I hate to use the word "want" but...I was thinking QS8's or the new full range center would be a good birthday gift for myself.Since my QS4's are doing a fine job set up at 85° the center is at the top of the list.

Not implying anybody is greedy or selfish (except myself). A good center will improve your listening enjoyment. I've used them all from VP160 down. For horizontal centers, I wouldn't want to go anything less than a VP160. My 2nd choice would be VP150. My vertical M22 mounted over the top of the TV, along with matching M22's left and right, makes an excellent sound field. There really isn't anything better than 3 matching speakers. The VP160 under the TV adds some fullness that wouldn't be there otherwise.

Lately been playing with Pioneers sound options because I downloaded the app for it on my iPad, which makes it simple to change. I like switching between THX Cinema and the Font Wide sound options. Wide makes the sound feel like it's coming from the whole width of the front wall with my speakers mounted near the middle. I don't know how this works. But I don't think I like it better than TXH Cinema, or Pure Direct. I'm not hearing much, if any, difference between THX Cinema and Pure Direct.

"Have you compared the M80s in pure direct to the M80s set to small with the subs"

Since adjusting the subs I hadn't. I went back and forth listening for the difference today.The M80s have a nice amount of bass on their own. With the subs now set at the roughly the same volume they seem to disapear with the M80's.I couldn't locate them before but it didn't sound right.I'll leave them at 33% for a while.

brwsaw, i feel you.. and know where your coming from... This is part of the reason i got 2 600's, with a 3rd "in the works". You could do like john said and turn up the subs volume.. Also, you could adjust your cross over points, my 600's are set to 80hz i think.....

The only real way you can get what your looking for is by having large drivers, like you mentioned. as well as multiple drivers...

Maybe a single EP800, if you can't get dual 600's?

What is your current sub? post a link so we can see where you're coming from.

If Ian made an 18" driver sub, i would buy one... Just saying... Incase Ian or andrew come across this thread......