“I thought so too. But I’m not so sure anymore. I want to like them. I really do. But there is something about them…I don’t know what it is. I just don’t think I like them. I don’t not like them. I think it’s more a case of me just not being a fan. Like, I wouldn’t choose to listen to them, but if they came on the radio, I’d think about it.”

“Well I think they’re great and I think Heaven is a solid album. Definitely their strongest album yet.”

“What’s so solid about it?”

“The sound is beefed up a little bit,” Chuck Wagon says. “It’s richer. And the vocals are more pure. They sound really smooth. It’s a very confidant sounding album.”

“Not really. Although “Heartbreaker” is really good song. They’ve gotten more accessible. “Witch” is catchy as hell, which is something I don’t think I’ve ever said about a Walkmen song before.”

“I want to listen to it, but I just don’t know how badly.”

“It’s worth checking out. I think the title track could make you think differently about them. Overall, I’d give the album an 8 with the potential of becoming of a 9 after a few more listens. It’s an album that grows on you…in a positive way. Like the new White Rabbits album or that show Veep.”

“So the opposite of the War of Drugs album? I feel like that album has gotten worse over time.”

“Yes. Totally.”

“I’ll think about it. And Veep is hilarious. So is Girls.”

“Oh yeah, Girls is great. And you should listen to Heaven. No one sounds like the Walkmen. They have a resilient sound- like they don’t really care if people are listening and they’re just making music that they like and enjoy playing. It’s defiant, but not in a punk rock way. More like art school defiant.”

“Can I have your Honda Civic if I listen to it and don’t like it?”

“Yes. I would totally bet my Honda Civic.”

“Then we have a deal.”

“It needs gas.”

“Deal still stands.”

“Awesome,” Chuck Wagon says. “Another beer?”

“Of course,” 2000 says. “I’ve never understood the point of just getting one.”