toporanger wrote:I use the knot 2 kinky stuff also when Im up north. I really like it for pitching jigs into reeds etc, I have caught some large pike on bass gear with no fear of cut offs or losing my jigs with this stuff. I dont do anything fancy with the knots really just treat it like thick flouro and its treated me well. I use a uni to uni for connections

I have been fishing esox waters, fly and conventional, with every mix of other species intermixed all over the Midwest. If you buy leader fluorocarbon , and there is a huge difference between casting fluoro and leader , you can get about the best mix of abrasion resistance, blending into the environment and knot tying ability I have found . I use everything from 2 lb tippet to 130 for some muskie stuff and there is a lot to say about high quality flouro and toothies.