Wednesday, February 21, 2007

Skeptics vs. True Fans

There was a time when Keith Urban and his music brought people together. Many a friendship was solidified at Monkeyville gatherings, concerts, meet and greets.

And then something happened.

What was once a big, happy family erupted into a civil war of sorts among Keith Urban’s fans. Over the past year and half, there have been two very distinct groups of Keith Urban fans...we’ll call them “true fans” and “skeptics”.

How did this happen?

Many will have you believe it was caused by an actress named Nicole Kidman.

And while I cannot deny that the correlation between him hooking up with her and the changes in him (seen by the “skeptics”) may have been the catalyst for this split, I believe it is more than that.

I believe it has become an eye opener and speaks volumes about the kind of fans some are and some are not, and it is this awareness of the difference in these two groups of fans that is the real cause for this split.

There is a vast distinction between the “true fans” and the “skeptics”.

Again, some would say the difference is that the “true fans” support the relationship with Kidman while the “skeptics” do not.

Not the case, in my opinion.

I believe when Keith’s private life became public knowledge and tabloid fodder, much came to light about who Keith Urban really is. Some were able to accept that, some were not.

‘The “skeptics” are jealous’ claim the “true fans”. It’s as simple as that. They cannot accept the fact the Keith has found true love because they wanted him all to themselves. Really? So how do you explain the fact that the “skeptics” were not vocal about his relationships with Laura or Niki? Where were the “skeptics” then? Why were there no cries of “he’s not the same, she’s changing him, he looks miserable”, etc? Why now? Why only with Nicole?

This is evidenced on the many message boards that many of these fans frequent. The split was so drastic, that many of the “skeptics” had to go off and create their own message boards. Message boards to which the links cannot be found anywhere - google as ferociously as you wish, you won’t find them. These boards are heavily guarded at the gates to protect against infiltrations of the “true fans”.

So, what is the distinction? What makes one a “true fan” versus a “skeptic”?

In all my time as a Keith Urban fan and poster on many message boards, I have found there is one major difference. In my opinion, it is the difference between a fan and a fanatic.

I am probably going to offend the “true fans” here but this is the way I see it.

The “true fans” can be found on Monkeyville, KeithUrbanFans, KeithUrbanForums, and CMT, to name a few.

Go to these boards and read some threads.

These are the people who love everything Keith does (I dare say if Keith were to put out a heavy metal album, they would rave about it); thinks he always looks great; buy 4-5 copies of every one of his CD’s; spend their days sitting by their phones requesting his songs be played on their local radio stations over & over & over again; will vote repeatedly (when allowed) on any poll about him or his music; create projects such as scrapbooks, etc.; and want to know what kind of a cookie he would be if he were one.

You cannot post anything that even implies the smallest bit of negativity without inciting angry posts back at you. If you don’t believe me, go to one of these boards and post on a thread about how you hate his hair or that his latest single is not “all that” and see what kinds of responses you get. Go ahead, I dare you.

The “skeptics” do not think everything Keith does is wonderful. They may vote on polls (once); they may gush over a pic or two; they may buy one copy of a CD; travel to see him more than once a year...but they seem to be a bit more discriminatory when it comes to the music and the artist.

Keith can do no wrong in a “true fan’s” eyes. He can, however, screw up in the eyes of a “skeptic”.

When the Keith & Nicole fairytale was sold to the public, the “true fans’ gushed over the love the The Aussie Power Couple (trademarked by the way in July of 2005) had found. The “skeptics” however, saw it differently. I will not re-hash it all here but suffice it to say that in the eyes of the “skeptics”, Keith was far from a happy, head-over-heels in love guy in mid-2006. Actions and pics from that time told a much different story. They posted about it over and over again. How miserable he started looking, how his behavior had changed, how he looked like he was drunk or high at events. “Not himself” claimed the “skeptics”. “Not true!” screamed the “true fans” right back at them. He’s fine, nothing is wrong.

And then he ended up in rehab. Less than 4 months after his wedding of the century. A man who, up until that point, claimed he was the happiest he had ever been, had finally found that balance he had been trying to find, and was more content and at peace than ever before in his life.

And then there is the now infamous Amanda Wyatt story. A prime example of the distinction between these two groups.

I was on a message board, reading posts about this story and what struck me was the absolute denial that Keith could have possibly done this. I have yet to meet a single fan who would dispute Keith’s difficulties with fidelity in regard to his prior long-term relationships...but try to suggest he would do that to the goddess who is Nicole Kidman...no way!

The “skeptics” who had been privy to the tales of Keith’s womanizing ways, were not a bit surprised. In fact, they warned that when he hooked up with the Hollywood actress, his skeletons would no longer be protected in Nashville. The “true fans” however, would not stand for it. Surely, this must be a lie, surely this is fabricated by the tabs. They demanded denials from Camp Urban, denials that never came...not even a single retraction printed. And if Amanda Wyatt was lying, then why not sue her? Why not shut her up, make her go away? This kind of story is the worst because it is what we call defamation of character. And when a denial finally came it was a non-denial of sorts. A tiny blurb about it being “fictitious”. And yet, still no retraction or legal action taken against his accuser. And when Keith himself finally spoke of it, instead of hearing “no, it is not true”, we got an “only me and God knows what is in my heart”. Uh-huh...no doubt.

One poster (“true fan”) went on a diatribe about Amanda. “Amanda was using Keith, Amanda did drugs with Keith, Amanda didn’t really love Keith, Amanda, Amanda, Amanda!”

But what about Keith? Was it all Amanda’s doing? Did Keith not use her, did Keith not sleep with her? Did Keith not do drugs with her? Did Keith really love her?

Keith is a 39 year old adult. Keith knew what he was doing. These were Keith’s choices. Bad choices, yes, but HIS choices nonetheless. So, shouldn’t Keith be to blame here as well? Why is it all Amanda’s fault?

Which brings me to the tattoos: It was pretty obvious Amanda was telling the truth, the only way to discredit her was to try to make her look bad. Hence, the articles concerning her “partying, bar-brawling ways” with court dates to boot. And then, the “evidence” that the pics supplied were old. And so, a tabloid printed a story about Keith’s tattoos being evidence of a time frame. This story claimed Keith changed the tattoo on his wrist shortly after he began dating Nicole and because the old tat was in the pics supplied by Amanda, then, obviously, she could not have possibly been with him while he was with Nicole. And the “true fans” ate it up. “See, she’s a liar” they claimed.

We all now know, there are pics out there confirming the new tattoo was in fact, NOT changed shortly after he began dating Nicole (late 2005) - the pics of the old tattoo can be found up through March of 2006. The new tattoo was discovered in April of 2006.

How could the “true fans” not know this? These are the same fans who watch Keith’s every move like hawks scouting for prey in the desert. These are the fans who posted numerous threads all over Keith boards with the title “Keith’s new tattoo” in April of 2006. But all of a sudden, they seemed to have a lapse in memory as to when this new tattoo showed up on his wrist. Why?

Because these “true fans” fell in love with an image of a man that was not at all realistic. An image that they are desperate to cling to. An image that they must protect at all costs.

Because these “true fans” have become the type of fans that worship their artist like a God. And this worship is blind. To admit Keith is a man who would sell his soul for fame & fortune (many have done it - do NOT underestimate the desire to attain this or keep it); to admit he is a man who would cheat on a girlfriend, fiancé, or wife; to admit he is man who would continue to live a life that has made him so unhappy, he drank himself into rehab. Well, that would mean you would have to admit that he is not perfect; he is not the barefoot poet singer-songwriter; he is not the Keith Urban you bought into long ago. You have been duped.

It would also mean you would have to admit that the “skeptics” were right all along. The “skeptics” who, by the way, not only predicted the very things which have come to pass, but in the exact order they have come to pass.

Argue all you want. The “skeptics” saw it all along. The unhappiness, the weight gain, the lackluster performances, the cheating, the drinking. All of it. While the “true fans” claimed it was all bullsh*t, their barefoot poet was becoming less and less the man, the artist, the performer that they had come to love.

How does that happen? How can some people see something so clearly while others seem to ignore what is right in front of them?

Because some people have an infatuation that is beyond comprehension.

For some, it really is all about the music. Keith is talented, he is gifted, he is a true musician. And yes, he is adorable and attractive. His smile could light up a room; those twinkles in his eyes could put you in a state of hypnosis; the hugs could set you on fire; and that accent...well, ‘nough said.

But some have a startling inability to see past the infatuation and others do not.

And this, my friends, in my opinion, is the distinction between the “true fans” vs. the “skeptics”.

"The “skeptics” do not think everything Keith does is wonderful. They may vote on polls (once); they may gush over a pic or two; they may buy one copy of a CD; travel to see him more than once a year...but they seem to be a bit more discriminatory when it comes to the music and the artist.

Keith can do no wrong in a “true fan’s” eyes. He can, however, screw up in the eyes of a “skeptic”."

I disagree with what you posted above. I do believe there is no clear cut definition of a "true fan" or a "skeptic" I don't consider myself either one and I've seen these so called "skeptics" fly all over the US to many, many Keith shows. I am a fan of Keith Urban's and I've gone to more shows than I care to count, but I don't throw myself on stage, hold up signs or frequent the main KU boards touting posts about Keith doing no wrong. I consider those fans psychotic and delusional, not true fans. He's far from perfect and I am disappointed he's screwed up his personal life the last year and a half. I think a lot of fans, true or skeptic, feel they've been kicked to the curb during that time, but it's hard to reach out to the masses when you can't manage your own life. It's evident this is or was the case. Whether his wife had anything to do with it, maybe. I can say that Keith has struggled for years to find the man he is off stage, has had difficulty defining himself as a man when he's not playing to us fans. I'm come to the conclusion he probably does truly love Nicole, but how do you become a husband to someone who's that famous - even if you're a bit famous yourself and if you have problems finding your identity off stage, how in the hell can you find it being married to her?

So yeah, I consider myself a true fan, a longtime fan, but I know Keith's got a long road ahead to getting himself straightened out.

It started when he listened to the wrong people, and fired the best band he ever had. He sacrificed those who were the most loyal to him! This started way before Nicole came along. I think if it were up to you guys..he would never be happy, never be married, and his life would be in a constant state of turmoil just so you would have something to talk about.

Who gives you the right to dictate who he should love? Isn't that ultimate decision up to Keith? Nicole has her faults, just like Keith does.....but she can't be the demon you guys make her out to be. Let the man enjoy a little happiness whithout you vultures picking him to death!

Message boards to which the links cannot be found anywhere - google as ferociously as you wish, you won’t find them. These boards are heavily guarded at the gates to protect against infiltrations of the “true fans”.

And thank God for that!!

Fans have been divided for sure. Ones we've met at shows and still talk to might have no clue your a skeptic.

But, I'll take my "gated" community any day over reading the blind gushings on those other sites, without a doubt in my mind that we are much closer to the truth.

And, "9:07..I think if it were up to you guys..he would never be happy, never be married, and his life would be in a constant state of turmoil just so you would have something to talk about."Nah, if it were up to us - he'd be gloriously happy, making music and making babies with a woman who loves him - be she famous or not.

If that happens, we'll post about how great it is for him and talk about how WRONG you all were - that will keep us busy and quite happy for a while.

True enough about when it all started. Keith's decline started in Aug 04 when he changed the band. He wasn't going with his instincts, instead he went with someone else's, and ever since then he's made a lot of really crappy decisions. Maybe that's the truth he needs to find before he can actually move on and become that person he only learned about in rehab - the one that needs to go back and make amends to those he kicked to the curb first (the band) and then maybe he'll actually apologize to us fans (the next set he kicked to the curb) and so on, and so on.

I think the addition of NK into his life was just a matter of timing, had he met her a year earlier nothing would have come of it, but when he started down the path of selling his soul in Aug 04 it was inevitable that their paths would cross and become entwined.

Ultimately it's Keith who has to live with his choices, for whatever reason he makes them. Unfortunately, it is obvious from recent events that some of these choices just aren't working for him, whether Keith is able to see that or not is another thing.

I will admit to falling for the image of the barefoot poet, but I understand that poets through the ages have been sensitive, somewhat tortured souls. Lets face it that vulnerability is part of his appeal and if he wasn't so sensitive he couldn't touch us with a performance like he does. Keith gets certain things, but I sometimes believe he hasn't a clue about other things. Lets face it the qualities that both the "skeptics" and the "true fans" love in Keith are the qualities that make him human, the difference is between the two groups is that the "skeptics" know that Keith is human and the "true fans" worship him as a god. I hope Keith has a parachute because it's a long fall off that pedestal that the "true fans" have placed him on.

It is my sincere hope for Keith that he is able to find his identity off the stage, that he is able to hold onto his sobriety and that he finds happiness and balance.

Good Read there. I am a skeptic, but yet a fan as well. I love the music, and was fine with him being private with his life. When all of this KU & NK came out, he gave us no choice but to follow it. Follow it some of us did and some of us had questions. Some didn't buy the romance and marriage so fast. After all they denied it many times, that made us question it more. I don't mind some of the other boards postings, but I have to be honest, not everything he does is fantastic, and that doesn't make me a bad fan for stating that. It just makes me an honest one. When he does something good, I will applaud it. When something isn't right, I will make note of that as well. Only problem is, you can't post that on the OTHER boards. I believe you will get deleted. Bravo to the writer!

It appears he is still firmly committed to his wife, I just heard an interview about his tour schedule and he plans on flying home (OZ) about 10 times over the summer to see her whilst she is filming her epic.

"It appears he is still firmly committed to his wife, I just heard an interview about his tour schedule and he plans on flying home (OZ) about 10 times over the summer to see her whilst she is filming her epic.

excellent post truly thought out and the writer sees the big picture. I and a skeptic and a fan, and I know that Keith Urban is not perfect. I know that he had issues long before the arrival of Kidman. I know that Keith Urban likes to complicate the hell out of things. I'd say he has succeeded. And I still love(most of)his music.

"It appears he is still firmly committed to his wife, I just heard an interview about his tour schedule and he plans on flying home (OZ) about 10 times over the summer to see her whilst she is filming her epic.

Sorry skeptics......"

Without seeing the complete tour schedule no one can comment on whether or not this is true, this is probably why the tour schedule is being dribbled out, so that Keith and Nicole can make statements like this and no one can comment that they are lying. But really there wouldn't be much of a tour if he plans on flying back to OZ ten times during the summer.

"Keith SAYS a lot, we will wait to see what he actually DOES."

You've got that right, just about everything that comes out of his mouth these days gets contradicted in the next interview. Really Keith didn't anyone teach you that the more elaborate the lie the easier it is to prove it's a lie.

I have followed this man and his music for 7 years and have seen him make good and bad decisions. I have seen his "true fans" come and go. Through it all, I have seen a man who is flawed. His flaws make him real. He is a guy-not a god.

As for the comment about keith flying back to OZ 10 times during the summer, I would suggest that all you check the dates you plan to see Keith. It takes a day to get there and a day to get back and the jet lag would be horrible as well as what flying that much would do to Keith's voice. So if it appears you may be attending a show right after a potential trip to OZ and back ... do yourself a favor and select another show. A jet lagged Keith is NOT going to put on a great show. I saw one the day after a long trip across the U.S ... the jet lag showed.

It appears he is still firmly committed to his wife, I just heard an interview about his tour schedule and he plans on flying home (OZ) about 10 times over the summer to see her whilst she is filming her epic.

You hit the nail on the head. We are going to one concert this yr. to test the waters, to see for if the artist formerly know as Keith Urban is recovering nicely or DOA...

I think he's talented as all get out and easy on the eyes but I want him to have a simple, happy life so he can concentrate on the music. He needs to be with someone who has values and self-respect, and does not use spin to get ahead. God help him if he has children with that woman...one look at the way she's parenting the two she has should be a signal..."Danger, Danger! Will Robinson!"

Maybe he's got those trips planned to ensure that his wife doesn't cheat with her leading man, as she has been known to do.

And the 10 times was over the year, not over the summer. He's only got 3 or 4 breaks long enough given the current schedule during the summer. Flight number 5 is to perform in OZ before summer starts. And I imagine one time will be when she goes to start her movie. That is 6.

It averages 1 a month ... so he sees her what, maybe 20 - 25 days in the last 10 months of the year. I don't call that dedicated, sorry but I don't. Dedicated would be if SHE were also flying over when SHE had a break. That is not going to happen, because she doesn't give a rat's butt about the man. HER CAREER IS NUMBER 1 to her. Keith is merely the PR she needs to make her seem desirable.

"And the 10 times was over the year, not over the summer. He's only got 3 or 4 breaks long enough given the current schedule during the summer. Flight number 5 is to perform in OZ before summer starts. And I imagine one time will be when she goes to start her movie. That is 6."

Seriously, why is it skeptics have to pick apart every aspect of Keith's life, let alone what he says in interviews. Did you actually listen to the interview? He sounds matter of fact when he indicates his itinerary/travel plans - No Big Deal! It just seems to me you so called "skeptics" should be labeled with a new term.

6.29AMI forgot , the true fans like to pick apart such in depth stuff as 'what is Keith's favourite colour?' Or, 'if Keith was flower, what kid of flower would he be?'

Yeah, much better to debate such earth shattering, life changing questions as those.......NOT!!!! ----------------------------------you forgot the MOST IMPORTANT ONE!!

"If Keith were a cookie..what kind of cookie would he be?"..tsk tsk HOW COULD YOU? LOL!!!

Bravo to the commentator..you hit the nail right on the head..God forbid that i as a "skeptik" not only consider myself a fan..but i don't worship him as God either..as far as i know the man hasn't been physically seen walking on water or parting any seas..including the red one..

but until this last album..(which is a joke)his music always touched me..his interviews were interjected with a great deal of humor..and that man could light up an arena..then he married that "thing" some people actually percieve as a woman..and it's been crap ever since..

i really hope that he is well on his way to taking HIS life back..I hpe that in the near future his eyes once again look really alive..and i hope above everything else he hangs onto his sobriety..and someday i hope he finds a real woman..one that really supports him..and he lives happily ever after..that joke he's with now only gives a damn about wheter or not her adoring public is feeling any kind of sympathy for what she (gasped) had to endure..

"I plan on Slim Fasting for 10 days but I might eat a bag of M&M's instead."

Seems to me, they're one in the same. Lame. Lame. Lame.

Here's the deal people. Show me proof that you're a mindreader, a medium, that you keith personally, maybe you know Nicole Kidman or briefly met her at an Applebee's in the restroom and she told you all her deepest, darkest, secrets. Then, you skeptics will have the last laugh on me. Other wise, you're just a bunch of Debbie Downers who can't for the life of themselves belive the man *IS* actually happy being married to her, wanted to marry her & actually has sex with her.

AND***wouldn't *SHE* be the one who should be more concerned about him cheating than the other way around. Since you sketpics seem to have it on authority that *HE'S* the cheater? Why don't you pick that apart, you blind fools.TL

Oh great - if he plans on making 10 flights to Oz while he is touring this summer, we can count on more shitty shows!

Hey, whatever happened to old Nic giving up her career if she ever found her true love? Shouldn't she ease up on her career while Keith tries to promote his new album. He has given up so much of his time for her, so shouldn't she finally return the favor?

I am so glad that I am not spending money on him this summer. I believe it it will be a complete waste of money. Between travel and jet lag, he will not be the same!

I believe in love one another and try to practice it. And Keith & his wife might love one another too. In the same way that people feel toward those they are connected to, whether they like them or not (ex: in-laws).

>>>Here's the deal people. Show me proof that you're a mindreader, a medium, that you keith personally, maybe you know Nicole Kidman or briefly met her at an Applebee's in the restroom and she told you all her deepest, darkest, secrets. Then, you skeptics will have the last laugh on me. Other wise, you're just a bunch of Debbie Downers who can't for the life of themselves belive the man *IS* actually happy being married to her, wanted to marry her & actually has sex with her.

AND***wouldn't *SHE* be the one who should be more concerned about him cheating than the other way around. Since you sketpics seem to have it on authority that *HE'S* the cheater? Why don't you pick that apart, you blind fools.TL <<<<<

ZZ, why do the "true fans" stretch what Keith or Nicole says to make it look different than it really is? He said 10 times this year and it morphed to 10 times this summer. Why? because 10 times this year implies he will not be seeing the wife much whereas 10 times during the summer makes him look more in love.

Ok! I'm NOT ms Linda, but whatever. Obviously, there are MORE people out there like me that would EXPECT proof. Do you believe in God? I don't, because there's NO proof. Do you believe in dinosaurs? I do, because there's proof. Are you catching my drift?

Get over yourselves people, he's NOT going to come running back to saying he was wrong, either way.

What drivel on Oprah tonight. RC was faily insightful when, after NK said she wanted a baby, he asked her "will you carry it?" If she doesn't, how else can she end up barefoot and pregnant, making up a fresh batch of goat cheese. Yeah, right...

actually i think she is planning on having the goat carry it..cuz heaven knows that she isn't about to do THAT to her skeletal self...it would not only require that she take time off from her miserable excuse of a career, but she would actually have to put someone before her "precious" self...let's face it the goat would be a way better Mother for that child than the Ice Queen could ever pretend to be..and we all know how "great" her acting ability is..God forbid that woman ever have a child...or a goat for that matter...

I'm sure if mslinda were posting on here she'd sign her name just like she does everywhere else. She doesn't hide behind anything. And just so you know, she thinks the skeptics are all a bag of loonies...... yes, I've conversed with her.

"ZZ, why do the "true fans" stretch what Keith or Nicole says to make it look different than it really is? He said 10 times this year and it morphed to 10 times this summer. Why? because 10 times this year implies he will not be seeing the wife much whereas 10 times during the summer makes him look more in love. "

See, now here's my point. You skeptics are great at making shit up in your head! It is what it is - don't analyze and slant a situation just cause you hate the wife. You don't know jack!

I don't call either side names and think doing so is childish...especially if the names are disparaging. I don't find bunny as nasty as loonie...but that's just me!

There needs to be a happy medium, in my opinion. There are "true fans" out there who worship Keith and think his wife walks on water. There are skeptics that assume she's the devil incarnate and Keith has sold his soul to her for fame.

I'm somewhere in the middle...so am I a skeptic or a true fan?

I think Keith is a man with flaws...but a hell of an entertainer. I truly love his music and I have always found his humor endearing. I've thought Kidman was a good actress but not much of a personality. She seems silted and awkward and cold. I still think that.

I think they're the oddest couple I could imagine. I think there may be love between them, but the relationship is poison to both of them.

I think for Keith's personal and professional well being he needs to move on and find happiness in his music and someone who can support him in that pursuit.

So...where do I fit? I think I'm a fan...I think I'm skeptical...I think there's a third category!!! LOL

I think Keith is a man with flaws...but a hell of an entertainer. I truly love his music and I have always found his humor endearing. I've thought Kidman was a good actress but not much of a personality. She seems silted and awkward and cold. I still think that.

I think they're the oddest couple I could imagine. I think there may be love between them, but the relationship is poison to both of them.

I think for Keith's personal and professional well being he needs to move on and find happiness in his music and someone who can support him in that pursuit. "

I'd have to agree with you as I feel I'm somewhere in the middle. I consider myself a true fan. I didn't know much about Nicole before Keith. Wasn't impressed with her acting and on the fence about how she is off the stage, but after her goat comments last night I'm beginning to suspect she has moments of complete insantiy, but hey don't we all? If Keith truly in love with her, than I support him and hope he can make a go of it with her. He can't keep just moving on and sinking himself into his music. He's done that most of his life and that's why he's struggling to find out who he is.

I'd have to agree with you as I feel I'm somewhere in the middle. I consider myself a true fan. I didn't know much about Nicole before Keith. Wasn't impressed with her acting and on the fence about how she is off the stage, but after her goat comments last night I'm beginning to suspect she has moments of complete insantiy, but hey don't we all? If Keith truly in love with her, than I support him and hope he can make a go of it with her. He can't keep just moving on and sinking himself into his music. He's done that most of his life and that's why he's struggling to find out who he is.

The interview between Nicole and Russell was awful. He looked bored and is he wanted to be anywhere else, away from the stupid questions of "are you tickelish". That ranks right below, "if you were a tree...."

I think some are right about when Keith changed but for different reasons. When he got rid of his old band..ego and cockiness were showing, stardom going to his head.

When Nicole came around iot was a different change. Arrogance and self loathing, lying etc.

I'm not talking about him not discussing his relationships..just flat out lying.

As for crappy shows to be because he's going to exert himself flying off to visit her during the tour..Seems to me last time he ended up canceling shows. That's what I'd be prepared for.

She forgot to say which Winnie the Pooh charature she'd name the goat. I mean she made sure to have Russell hit all the points she wanted to touch on, while naturally (BAHAAA) pausing in shock to some questions.

She claims every person in her life has a Pooh charature quality. Talk about weird and out of touch.

Wake up sister, your kids grew up while you were off hoin', they aren't into Winnie the Pooh anymore.

I think this issue about Nicole and her kids gets under my skin more than any other issue of presales, the KUNK marriage.

Because it is such a farce how she portrays to be involved in the kids lives. Being a parent is more than just staying in contact.

Let's face it, it's not like a typical divorce family who may not be able afford to travel to see their kids, even most those people spend more time with their kids. And she has every available resource and has enough money to have all the free time in her life.

If this was a situation going on in your neighborhood with your kids friends, even her "worshipers" would be saying what a terrible parent she is. But, because so many people get star struck, they give her a pass or look the other way.

This is along the lines of abandonment and neglect. Those do go beyond providing material things as a parent.

And it drives me crazy to think Keith picked such a person as a wife. I really think they may be more alike than we are aware. She just had a head start by marrying Tom. Now he married her to further his fame. Sad thing is, he could have and was doing fine on his own. She knew she had to marry into it to be where she is.

Oh my God that was just awsome! well said. You know before Keith is anything he is just a MAN first and yes he is human and yes he is not perfect. But then again neither are any of us. yes he has made some really bad decision and yes bad choices as well. And he has done all of this in the public eye and has handle it all with some class.And has been MAN enough to admit when he has made mistakes and Man enough to reconize them. And Man enough to try and correct them again in the public eye. I am a fan and i must admit i have made some big mistakes and made some not so smart decisions in my life. It is part of life and about learning from your mistakes.

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OSCAR WHISPERED RIGHT INTO MY EAR

February 26, 2008 - OSCARS. Boozing backstage during the Oscarcast is a no-no. But if you're pregnant Nicole Kidman it's a yes- yes. She wanted white wine. She got it...