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I have an excellent CX bike that I'd like to do some light touring and randonneuring with. I've done both but my touring has used a significantly heavier setup and for brevets I just used a road race bike. For this, I want to do it without any racks.

What bags do people recommend for this middle ground? I was thinking a handlebar bag and a large saddle bag should give me enough space. Who makes the best light and waterproof ones? The handlebar bag needs to be unsupported, no rack.

Can't help much with the handlebar bag. I suppose any and all will work OK. I think most of them come with racks that bolt onto the bars and the bag attaches to this rack. You do not need that extra front rack that the bag sits on. I know that is the IN thing for randonneuring. Can't recall what that rack's name is. Cannot be cool without that extra rack. No way.

For bags under the saddle. Jandd Mountaineer III wedge. Its a big wedge that unzips for extra space. And Carradice. They make several large bags that hang below the saddle. Even bigger than the Jandd bag. I don't think any of these are waterproof so you will have to put your stuff into ziploc bags.

Thanks for the input. Carradice certainly does make some nice looking stuff. It seems odd to me bags need so much hardware.I understand it can help support things but not everyone is packing lead weights.

I've used the Carradice SQR post bag. Bit awkward to fit with a lot of height needed. Also bit awkward for leg clearance depending on how much layback your running.

It's a nice enough bag though and the latch system although looking a bit home made does seem to work well enough and provide a secure mounting. Like most carradice stuff it's kinda waterproof but you do need to have things wrapped inside to make sure it's protected from a soaking down pour.

Depends on what you need to carry really ? It all seems to add up and it soon ends up easier to go with light rack set up vs loading a race bike with bags way up high that throw of the handling and do not offer that much capacity for actually carry stuff you might need + food / clothing options... But if you've toured already I guess you will have a good handle on what you need to stow.

They are useless. Can't get em tight enough to stop them moving. Unless you get rid of almost all the padding between the clamp and seat pin. Which would mean four new frames. 2× mtb and 2× Road, just to get a suitable size pin.

Interesting timing, I'm currently in the process of making a set of bags for my bike out of cuben fiber (super light, but still waterproof and very durable stuff). I'm probably going to be offering them made-to-order. If you're able to wait a little bit I think you'll be pretty excited seeing these things weighing in at 1/4 what the next lightest available bags are.

The setup I'm currently working on is a big saddle bag around 10-15L, a frame bag, and a handlebar bag. I don't have plans to make rack mounted gear since having a rack defeats the purpose of the weight savings.

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