re: LAPD Gang thugs caught on tape beating a college student for drinking a beerPosted by Jobin on 10/5/12 at 3:07 pm to geauxturbo

Why not just show him your ID? You say you weren't doing anything wrong. When you start acting shady, the cop is going to think the worst. They have to in that line of duty. You would as well, I can guarantee it.

You were implying that not all of them were using excessive force. This would indicate that those not using excessive force were present while excessive force was being used.

So my question to you was do you think any of them filed a report that a couple of their fellow officers used excessive force, or did they all just shut up about it, which would prove someone else's point earlier in this thread about how cops don't seem to be policing themselves.

re: LAPD Gang thugs caught on tape beating a college student for drinking a beerPosted by DanTiger on 10/5/12 at 3:12 pm to ChoupiqueSacalait

quote:You were implying that not all of them were using excessive force. This would indicate that those not using excessive force were present while excessive force was being used.

So my question to you was do you think any of them filed a report that a couple of their fellow officers used excessive force, or did they all just shut up about it, which would prove someone else's point earlier in this thread about how cops don't seem to be policing themselves.

No person here has the slightest idea if any reports were filed or not. It is as likely that all of the officers filed a report as it is that none of them did.

re: LAPD Gang thugs caught on tape beating a college student for drinking a beerPosted by geauxturbo on 10/5/12 at 3:16 pm to Jobin

quote:Why not just show him your ID? You say you weren't doing anything wrong. When you start acting shady, the cop is going to think the worst. They have to in that line of duty. You would as well, I can guarantee it.

I was confused why he was asking for it and in a hurry to beat the traffic to get to work to deliver pizzas.

My thought was he was looking for underage drinking and my cup was empty so I tipped it over and said its empty and kept walking. I'm not a professional dealing with criminals or cops so I have no clue what y'all do or don't do. I just work and mind my own business.

I was pretty clear about what I said that not all of the officers were beating the guy. The ones present were present, yes. I don't want to speculate on which ones actually knew everything that was taking place. I don't want to speculate about which cops expressed their views either as I would have no way of knowing it. I have known officers to tell on other when they believe they have done something wrong. Usually that includes voicing their opinion to the Sgt. How could I begin to speculate about this? It is certainly true that cops police themselves in instances and it is equally true that in other instances cops don't police themselves. That's what we know.

re: LAPD Gang thugs caught on tape beating a college student for drinking a beerPosted by DanTiger on 10/5/12 at 3:19 pm to WikiTiger

quote:For one thing, not all states have a stop and identify statute, but even in states that do, there needs to be reasonable suspicion.

An officer is allowed to ask any person without reasonable suspicion for a name, address and, if I remember correctly, SSN. The person also has the right to refuse and the officer cannot detain them without RS.

re: LAPD Gang thugs caught on tape beating a college student for drinking a beerPosted by flucobaseball on 10/5/12 at 3:30 pm to WikiTiger

quote:all that will be ignored by the cops in the thread

Not ignored. I thanked him. I just disagreed with the hyperbole often associated with officers falsifying reports. Furthermore, there was much speculation involved in the links. One assumed that if 500 officers were given a polygraph test that fewer than 375 would pass. Then it went on to call it a fact.

quote:but even in states that do, there needs to be reasonable suspicion.

Yes but the "suspect" doesn't determine in his/her mind if there is reasonable suspicion. So it matters not if the suspect thinks he/she is suspicious.

quote:fixed

Most cops are bad. Ok, based on what? I get that you don't like most of them. I see it in many of these threads. Yet you've never produced one fact for me to believe that most cops are bad. The reality is that most cops go about their day doing good. Where is my proof...because these complaints, police brutality, etc....are not the norm. Officers answer hundreds of thousands of calls a day without these bad stories happening. Then when these stories pop up(inevitable as there are corrupt people in every profession) people like you want to act as if it's the norm. It's a complete denial of the actual statistics. The question is are you ignorant(meant with sincerity) or are you purposely turning your eyes away?

Ah, who could forget NYPD Officer Michael Dowd, the very reason for investigative panel known as the Mollen Commission.

quote:The panel's report concluded that for nearly a decade the Police Department had abandoned its responsibility to insure the honesty of its members.

Fearing that reports of corruption in their commands would damage their careers, senior officers looked the other way, the commission said. Information in internal investigations was deliberately fragmented, rather than woven together to form a pattern, and cases were closed well before all leads had been exhausted.

In the fall of 1992, a report issued by Police Commissioner Lee P. Brown blamed the department's failure to intervene in the crimes of Mr. Dowd and his fellow rogue cops on a breakdown in procedures.

But the Mollen Commission said it concluded that the problem was "a willful effort" by commanders of the Internal Affairs Division, the principal anti-corruption unit, to impede the investigation. Internal Affairs, it said, treated allegations against Mr. Dowd as separate incidents and withheld critical information from another investigator.

"By doing so," the commission said, "Internal Affairs commanders doomed any hope of a successful investigation of Dowd and other corrupt officers of the 75th Precinct."