BMW discusses the upcoming F32 M4 and tells enthusiasts 'to get used used to it' - BMW states there will be no M4 CSL

BMW discusses the upcoming F32 M4 and tells enthusiasts 'to get used used to it' - BMW states there will be no M4 CSL

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BMW discusses the upcoming F32 M4 and tells enthusiasts 'to get used used to it' - BMW states there will be no M4 CSL

That makes sense for Toyota but not for BMW M where the driving experience should come before everything else as it traditionally has. Top Gear spoke to BMW recently, specifically BMW's product manager for smaller cars Matt Collins, who seems to be aware people disagree with BMW's new direction. He said, "I think a lot of purists look at the M3 all the way back to the E30, so there's obviously a challenge there for people to accept it. If you look at the way the M brand has evolved over the years there are a lot of things that people have had to get used to, for example, going from naturally aspirated to turbocharged engines."

You have to get used to it is BMW's stance. The thing is, you don't. There are other brands out there producing superior drivers cars to BMW at the moment and they seem to be doing a better job at maintaining classic M driving ideals than M now is. Porsche, Mercedes, hell, even Audi, are producing sportier cars than M that are more fun to drive. Mercedes is hitting home run after home run with the Black Series. During this same time BMW is giving us front wheel drives, hybrids, and electric city cars. Go ahead, get used to that. I won't.

Any good news regarding BMW's new direction? Well, BMW is focusing on lightweight materials because having gone with cheap materials (steel frames over aluminum) in their newest generation cars has caused them to balloon in weight while the competition has gotten slimmer leaving BMW no choice but to address the weight gain. "We really want to focus on lightweight engineering. Plus we've got the technology in our ‘i' cars - carbon fibre, reinforced plastic and so forth - so that's where we're really looking to position it. Slightly more lightweight. I wouldn't say ‘racer', but more of a dynamic focus."

Ok, lightweight materials are great and all but does that mean we can finally expect a hardcore track based M variant that can go toe to toe with a Mercedes-Benz AMG Black Series without going into limp mode? "There are no plans at the moment to build a lightweight CSL version of the M4, but there weren't any plans to do the last generation CSL either. We have to see what the customers think, and if there's potential for an even more lightweight version, we'll do it. But I think we're really focusing on making this car as light as we can. We're not going to go halfway house with the ‘real' car, because we'd like to get it as low as possible in the first place. The proper car will showcase a real reduction in weight."

Let me translate the politically correct marketing speak for you to simply say it this way: If we can make money doing it, we'll do it. He leaves the statement ambiguous and states they are focusing on keeping the M4 light so no further engineering or more focused track model will be necessary which is a cop out. Porsche made the 991 generation 911 lighter and more efficient yet somehow a track focused GT3 model still slots in and improves upon the base car. Porsche can do it, BMW can't? The CSL and GTS already show they can and have. But hey, any excuse to save money.

BMW's arrogance is now beyond frustrating. They still think they make the best cars in the world and in this particular segment. They say they don't even target specific competition and that the competition doesn't drive them, "We think the M3 is the benchmark car; it's the iconic car, and it's the one that really defines the segment. Obviously, we look at the competition and we want to make sure we're as good as we can possibly be, but when developing this M4, it's certainly not a case of ‘this is the target'. It's about making what we think is the best car in the segment even better. It's not a competitor-focused development."

The M3 was the iconic car. It was the benchmark. BMW, you should look at your competition. Because they have passed you by. Get used to that.

They will keep selling the M3 like hot bread. But it will now be driven exclusively by people who care more about the badge than the driving dynamics of the car.

Mercedes isn't afraid to stick a monster motor in their C class or continuously improving the breed. BMW these days thinks everything they design while having a hangover s**t in the morning is the best of the best and there's no need to change anything.

And as long as they keep making money on it, they won't change a darn thing. I'll give the new M3/M4 a chance but I don't have high hopes.

These are European manufacturers . In alot of European countries you get taxed on displacement or Co2. Where i live you will rarely see an AMG model or anything else in that displacement range.
Have fun filling up your 5+ liter AMG at the pump when a liter is almost 2€.
My DD is a 1.2L 3 cilinder with a whopping 80hp since last year , just because of all these new tax rules.
Someday America will have to follow , enjoy it while it lasts.

These are European manufacturers . In alot of European countries you get taxed on displacement or Co2. Where i live you will rarely see an AMG model or anything else in that displacement range.
Have fun filling up your 5+ liter AMG at the pump when a liter is almost 2€.
My DD is a 1.2L 3 cilinder with a whopping 80hp since last year , just because of all these new tax rules.
Someday America will have to follow , enjoy it while it lasts.

Retarded European taxes aren't America's problem. Fortunately AMG is still making motor's worth having. If you can't afford the taxes and fuel that is your problem.

I just placed my order for a 435 Msport pretty much base $54,000 mind you and, Im having some serious doubts on whether or not I should cancel or not. My father just purchased a a 2014 x3 as a weekend car and as I drove it I couldn't help but complain about the electric steering the whole damn trip. Its absolutely horrible! Now my family loves it because its easy to turn and such but that's exactly what I loved about Bmw and why I have had so many.

I never thought I would have second thoughts about getting a new Bmw ever!

Any other cars you guys suggest for an enthusiast DD ? Cla45 amg looks nice but 4wd in Miami is a boring waste