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Yeah, I go onto the_donald more than I should because I like to see what the otherside is saying. But, they do some impressive mental gymnastics. The current theories are that: the Nazis in general are actually liberals, the Nazis at Charlottesville are liberals in disguise to discredit Trump, that Nazis are peaceful Americans and the counter-protesters are evil, that maybe Nazis aren't such bad people, and to their credit a some posters are saying that maybe white supremacists aren't good people (this seems to be controversial though).

I think think this is the first time that some of them realize that the other people aren't playing pretend and that they have allied themselves with actual Nazis.

I had a bunch of racist friends in high school. I didn't really know how bad it was though. I thought we just made racist jokes, because it was funny to make jokes about everyone. I didn't really get that they hated these people. Some of them even had Jewish ancestry, but they would make awful jokes about Jews, so I thought that's just how guys fucked around. I sort of just thought they were bitter and antisocial, like me, and that it was all just shit talk, because helped put up a little wall for us. Man, I was so wrong.

One day a few of them decided to brand themselves with a swastika that they made out of some metal scrap. They actually asked me to brand them. We were all kinda drunk, but they were totally serious about it. I was like, "that's going to be permanent and people will see it. Girls will see it." They didn't give a single fuck and said that they wouldn't be with any girl that didn't feel the same way. It was like my whole world came shattering down in that moment, as I instantly realized who these people really were. That was it for me, I dropped all of them. For half the year I had no friends and ate alone and just felt like a total outcast at school, but goddamned if I didn't feel like a weight of ugly anger and hate had been lifted off of me. I ended up making friends with some of the nerdier kids, because I didn't really have anywhere else to eat lunch at, and somehow it seemed okay to sit at their table. They were actually pretty funny and good guys though, so it wasn't so bad.

That is understandable. For the most part I don't think we should judge people for what they do in their youth. It is a difficult time trying to find out who we are and what we value. Also, dark humor is a hallmark of teens, I think it is because it is a relatively safe way to test boundaries. I think most of did and believed thing in our youth that we would embarrassed about now.

But, I think it is a sign of good (if not great) character that you recognized the group for what they were and separated from them. Especially considering that it isolated you for a little while at a time when most people crave to fit into some type of social clique. Willingness to suffer socially rather than participate in hatred is admirable.

Yeah, I think you really hit the nail on the head there. I thought it was just dark humor, but that we didn't mean any of it. I really didn't find who I was until I was confronted with that choice and had to really look at myself and how I was behaving.

I had other, decent friends, but I wasn't as close with them and they were all in a different lunch period than me too. It actually did help me to move closer to them, as well as make the new friends that I otherwise wouldn't, and that was a good thing. To be fair though, it doesn't exactly take great character to realize a bunch of guys that want to be branded with swastikas are fucking insane losers.

Notice how there isn't a flood of alt-right twats telling this guy to fuck off?

They go after what they perceive as easy targets. A WW2 vet isn't who they want to pick a fight with. They want to go after teens that they have rehearsed, canned responses to try to shit on.

The Womens March at Washington had zero arrests and no violent incidents.

These people are cockroaches. They act violent at their own rallies where they have a sense of control, and try to hide their dysfunctional views in plain sight. Remember how Richard Spencer reacted to being banned from his gym when they found out he was a Nazi? That's how they should be treated at any legitimate establishment.

It's very important that we don't ever allow them to feel like they can express their abhorrent views without it ruining their employment prospects, their respect, and their way of life. This should be social and employment suicide, it should ruin you. In a lot of states it can and will. I know at my current job you'd absolutely be fired if a picture of you waving a Nazi flag cropped up.

This is America and you can absolutely get up like a twat and wave a Nazi flag. But you should never be safe from the social consequences of that, and you should be working minimum wage jobs in abject poverty, with a picture of you waving that flag showing up on google on a news article when your name is searched, for the rest of your life as a result.

If anyone has a point of view where they feel like white people are superior to other races of people, they should be fucking terrified to publicly express that point of view. They should know that, while it's legal to do so, society has a moral obligation to come down on them like a hammer and shame them, and that shame might involve making it harder to get a job, to hold a position of power, to be part of a group that offers privilege of authority.

No one has any implied, legal, or intrinsic safety of social consequences from expressing their point of view.

They're weaklings, losers. Notice how they always obsess about how we're effeminate degenerates and they're awesomely armed ubermenschen who will wipe us out in a week? They're projecting. They should heed the same warning General Sherman gave to Southerners at the start of the Civil War:

"You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it … Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail."

I love how these are Americans that want America to be great, while holding flags of countries that got their asses beat by America. Anyone else see the irony in this?

Edit: I forgot how much Reddit loves semantics. Should I have said "flags that symbolize two separate instances in which the USA was involved in wars, where we fought and lost men and women, just like other countries, but ultimately overcame them in victorious fashion"?
Get real. You all know what I mean.

Last edit: Some of y'all just want to argue just for the sake of arguing. Thanks for the laughs.

I can't imagine anyone with sense being a Nazi. It's fucking 2017 and you're advocating death to X minority group, really? Did you watch Captain Planet and go 'Yeah I really want to be the bad guy!' or something? I just don't fucking get it.

60 years ago, schools weren't even integrated yet. I'd say the education system is doing the best it can given the situation it's in. It's not like there was some "golden age" of education in this country, and we've ALWAYS had shit like this.

How are you going to put up Nazi solutes but claim patriotism? Wasn't the biggest war we ever fought against the Nazis? Did they just forget or something? Wouldn't fighting against them be the patriotic move in this situation? Sorry, it's tough to think strait over the deafening whirring noise of countless US WWII veterans rolling in their graves.

Something something we should have been allies with Germany the Jews manipulated us to fight them. Idk Nazis are retarded don't look for reason. Hell there was a Nazi political party in America during the 40's. The German American bund.

Neo Nazis all around the world are fucking idiots. Russia has a huge neonazi presence, Russia, for fucks sake! The country that lost 10s of millions of people fighting the Nazis! Dumb fucking white trash!

Among the 341 casualties suffered by the 116th RCT that day were 19 Bedford men from Company A, 1st Battalion. Most of them never even got off the landing craft, and were slaughtered where they stood when the ramps dropped. 3 more Bedford men were killed before the Allies broke out of Normandy. Bedford, VA sent 35 men and lost 22 within two months. Company A comprised 230 men. By the end of D-Day, only 18 could still fight.

I'm just utterly shocked that we have people actively supporting what was probably one of the worst atrocities committed in the history of mankind. I can't begin to comprehend what thoughts must be going through these people's heads

I just don't get how someone can justify killing an entire race... Like in their mindset, even if "jews are evil", what about all the jews that aren't "in on the scheme" and don't actually care about white genocide? Do they just magically have some sort of superpower that connects their minds to everyone else of their race?

The basic outline is a perception that they are the victims and then an obsession with vengeance as the only real government policy. Everything is about settling a vague score with a vaguely defined enemy.

It's a fundamentally negative form of politics that sacrifices the future to whatever past grievances can be used to excuse violence and cruelty.

Googling around, that's their "suggested" use and one site says the flags are made in China. I always wonder what the Chinese factory workers are thinking when they pack up a pallet of dildos and send them here. Now, I wonder what they're thinking about these flags...

The thing they don't like to mention is that they've picked and chose what heritage they wanted to have represent them as people. They are ignoring the people in their ancestry who fought nazis in WW2 and fought for the north in the Civil War. They chose to care more about the hateful racist slave owners and genocide supporters.

Odds are >90% that by their generation, they have ancestors who fought for the Union, or fought in WWI, or WWII, etc.

Point is, even making these "choice terms" they're willfully ignorant that many of their own ancestors would be put under these labels by them.... They're spitting on their ancestors' graves.

I do a lot of genealogy, and you quickly learn that most people haven't a f'ing clue what's up their tree until they look. Revolutionary Soldiers? Yep! Loyalists? Oh yep! Confederate Soldiers? Tons! Union fighters? Lots! Slave owners? You bet! Hundreds! Confederates who went AWOL and signed an oath of Fealty with the North? Oh yeah!

Point is, you can imagine your "heritage" is singular and monolithic. You can imagine your ancestors were all slave-owning Confederates, but unless you've spent years researching your genealogy you haven't a f'ing clue.

Odds are probably >75% most of these white guys from the south have a few black ancestors as well... I know I do, DNA shows it... It didn't come from the North.

Another amazing part is if you ask them where they're from a lot of them will say central/eastern European countries as the area their ancestors/grandparents came from.

I think it's lost on them that if this was 1940 all over they'd more than likely be on the side opposing Germany as would their older grandparents.

The best example I can think of is I asked a white supremacist where he came from and the reply I got? Poland, I don't think he realized that Germany literally wanted to wipe Poland from the map. They wanted to completely "cleanse" and destroy Eastern/Central Europe to make way for new German territories.

“Mr. President — we must call evil by its name,” tweeted Senator Cory Gardner, Republican from Colorado, who oversees the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the campaign arm of the Senate Republicans.

“These were white supremacists and this was domestic terrorism,” he added, a description several of his colleagues used.

I say something similar. "All those who want to fight, group them in to categories based on weight and let them fight each other and those who don't particularly want to fight but would like to watch the other lads have a bit of a rumble; that's fine."

Just so everyone knows, this group is NOT from Charlottesville. They've come to town to protest the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. They are evil, neo-nazis who are a disgrace to this city and this country.

Some one actually made that shirt. Some one else decided to stock it at their store. This dude knows where that store is, and spent his money there. He woke up this morning and decided that wearing this shirt best represented him today. And he is ok being in public with it (hunched over so nervous I guess). Where are all of these people when there is no rally or event? How do these people continue to exist? What am I missing?

When I was young I was a skater. We skated all over every ledge and curb and rail we could find. Our school, neighboring schools, businesses, public parks, anywhere.

Then, we started noticing the skate-stoppers. Little knobs or pieces of metal that are cemented to ledges to prevent skaters from grinding. First it was our school, then theirs, then one by one, all our other skate spots were fucked over.

We were young and full of energy and now we had nowhere to put it. So what did we do? We banded together and protested. We made a fuss at our school, made sure all the other skaters from around our town were making a fuss too, and eventually, some of us actually went out with some power tools in the middle of the night and actually removed some of the skate stoppers. They were put back on soon enough, but my point is:

We never ever stopped to think for one second about the other party. We just knew that we were having fun, skating and hanging out at spots. We never stopped to think about the people on campus still working who had to listen to us, the people who worked in those businesses which we disturbed everyday. Anyone. We didn't think about anyone but ourselves. And I don't feel guilty about this - we were young and dumb and just wanted to skate.

So, what's the moral of this story? How does this relate to shit about shit?

If one side is disturbing the other, and doesn't ever realize it, and then is prevented from disturbing them anymore, they will naturally believe they are being needlessly persecuted and will 'fight back'. White nationalists in this country are simply people who do not see racism against people of color in their everyday lives. Or if they do, they do not see the real damage it causes. They see only the skate stoppers - the leftists coming along to ruin their fun time. So in their minds, they are only fighting for themselves, against needless persecution.

Bonus points: This is why the alt-right is not only comprised of white people, or only rednecks, or whatever. When you see an educated black woman on the alt-right, it is because she has grown up in a culture in middle America where she did not experience racism or sexism firsthand in her everyday life. But then the left came along and told her that all the white men she's friends with are actually oppressing her, and that she is a victim. She will then believe, and further bolster, the alt-right credo that the left is just a 'mentally ill, delusional, shit-disturbing brat' because she sees that her life before the left came along was just fine. When in actuality, racism does exist on both coasts and lots of places, and is a big problem in peoples' everyday lives, and does oppress and damage people severely, just maybe not so much in those culturally homogenized places in the Midwest.

It's all a bullshit illusion born of this shoddy bridge called the Internet which connects two completely separate cultures that happen to exist in the same country.

The people demanding evidence have already taken leave of their senses anyway. There's a bunch of people marching around with torches yelling "blood and soil" and throwing roman salutes and these idiots are saying "but how do we know they're nazis." Evidence isn't going to help them, they've made their minds up already.

Being a Nazi wannabee is even worse, if you think about it. At least most actual Nazis at the time didn't really know about the Holocaust or understand the full scope of what Nazi Germany did. But Nazi-wannabees today know exactly how horrible Nazism was and they are like yes, I want that!

And richard fuckin spencer headlining the thing, and the dudes with swastika tattoos, and the car running down a bunch of counter protestors, that’s all liberal false flags too. There were no real nazis there, that’s the way more plausible explanation

Good god. To everyone saying, "Hey, it's a good quote," did you even bother to look up the full context?

"Everything we admire on this earth today--science and art, technology and inventions--is only the creative product of a few peoples and originally perhaps of one race. On them depends the existence of this whole culture. If they perish, the beauty of this earth will sink into the grave with them.

However much the soil, for example, can influence men, the result of the influence will always be different depending on the races in question. The low fertility of a living space may spur the one race to the highest achievements; in others it will only be the cause of bitterest poverty and final undernourishment with all its consequences. The inner nature of peoples is always determining for the manner in which outward influences will be effective. What leads the one to starvation trains the other to hard work.

All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning.

The ultimate cause of such a decline was their forgetting that all culture depends on men and not conversely; hence that to preserve a certain culture the man who creates it must be preserved. This preservation is bound up with the rigid law of necessity and the right to victory of the best and stronger in this world.

Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

Even if this were hard--that is how it is ! Assuredly, however, by far the harder fate is that which strikes the man who thinks he can overcome Nature, but in the last analysis only mocks her. Distress, misfortune, and diseases are her answer.

The man who misjudges and disregards the racial laws actually forfeits the happiness that seems destined to be his. He thwarts the triumphal march of the best race and hence also the precondition for all human progress, and remains, in consequence burdened with all the sensibility of man, in the animal realm of helpless misery."

Sure, no one ever accused Hitler of not being a good orator, but the fact remains that if you choose to parade around in public sporting a quote from the OG king fucking Nazi himself, there's a pretty good goddamn chance you're a Nazi. Or at least people could be forgiven for thinking you are, you mighty fucking edgelords, you.

Ever since my childhood, I've been playing shooting at Nazis with friends. I watched a ton of movies where people shoot Nazis. I've played a ton of games where I shoot Nazis. So did most other kids. We've been indoctrinated to kill Nazis, and we've played Nazi shooting simulators all our lives.

Ah yes, I expect there will be many, fine fit upstanding members of the true Master Race making an appearance today. Dressed in their regalia, shouting slurs and epithets. I'm a fan of free speech, especially when morons are loud and explicit in their ignorance. Better than their covert shadow existence. I like 'em right out in the open.

My usually calm grandma said it reminded her of the Kristalnacht and then actually spat on the floor and said some profanities in our language since the nazis killed all her brothers in ww2. She seemed mad and the same time sad that some people who never witnessed the horrors of ww2 fascism actually support it again.

As imperfect as he was, I think Robert E. Lee would be disgusted to have Nazis marching in support of his statue... It's doubtful that he would have even wanted there to be a statue of himself, especially one that celebrated his role in the Civil War.

What both the right and left never seem to grasp is that the ACLU is specifically non-partisan. That's the entire fucking point, they defend civil liberties, they're the referee they aren't supposed to have a side.