West Indian pitches have offered very little to seamers or, more often than not, spinners for a good while now - ask Liam.
I am indeed saying McGrath didn't earn any of his wickets in the subcontinent or on any other non-seam-friendly pitches, and we've already been through why it is not possible to evoke poor strokes in the limitless-over game.
And why I don't "go out on a limb" and say all McGrath wickets are from poor strokes is beause they aren't.
All I've ever said - and it's quite true - is that all McGrath wickets, between 2001 and 2004, on pitches that offer neither seam nor uneven bounce have been due to poor strokes.

West Indian pitches have offered very little to seamers or, more often than not, spinners for a good while now - ask Liam.
I am indeed saying McGrath didn't earn any of his wickets in the subcontinent or on any other non-seam-friendly pitches, and we've already been through why it is not possible to evoke poor strokes in the limitless-over game.
And why I don't "go out on a limb" and say all McGrath wickets are from poor strokes is beause they aren't.
All I've ever said - and it's quite true - is that all McGrath wickets, between 2001 and 2004, on pitches that offer neither seam nor uneven bounce have been due to poor strokes.

All you say? I wish I could say I found that unbelievable on your behalf.

All you say? I wish I could say I found that unbelievable on your behalf.

D'you mean you wish you could say you found that believeable?
Well whether you find it believable or not that's all I've said - and if you look carefully you'll notice I've said repeatedly that I never really watched McGrath before 2001, and that since Adelaide 2004\05 it seems he's bowled well on flat pitches several times.

off the above series, he claims that he didnt watch either of the tours to india, b'desh cant be included for obvious reasons and the series against SL and in england were largely on seamer friendly wickets so those can be removed. so it boils down to 6 series spread over 2 years:

so based on these 6 series, one of which was against a schoolboy batting side, and 2 other series were easily part of mcgrath's worst periods in his entire career.
based on these 6 series, he claims that mcgrath isnt a great bowler and isnt as good as ambrose, no matter how well hes done before or after this period.
now i think you can decide for yourself whether such a claim is even worth bothering about

Tendulkar = the most overated player EVER!!
Beckham = the most overated footballer EVER!!
Vassell = the biggest disgrace since rikki clarke!!

And because I've watched these matches and read of the matches I haven't seen, and I can tell quite clearly that he doesn't bowl wicket-taking deliveries on the non-seaming, even-in-bounce pitches, regardless of what his figures are, I don't rate his bowling on flat pitches in this period.
I haven't seen the period before, and since Adelaide 2004\05 there's substantial evidence that he's bowled well on a number of flat pitches so maybe he's developed his game - injuries sometimes have that effect.

And because I've watched these matches and read of the matches I haven't seen, and I can tell quite clearly that he doesn't bowl wicket-taking deliveries on the non-seaming, even-in-bounce pitches, regardless of what his figures are, I don't rate his bowling on flat pitches in this period.
I haven't seen the period before, and since Adelaide 2004\05 there's substantial evidence that he's bowled well on a number of flat pitches so maybe he's developed his game - injuries sometimes have that effect.

And because I've watched these matches and read of the matches I haven't seen, and I can tell quite clearly that he doesn't bowl wicket-taking deliveries on the non-seaming, even-in-bounce pitches, regardless of what his figures are, I don't rate his bowling on flat pitches in this period.
I haven't seen the period before, and since Adelaide 2004\05 there's substantial evidence that he's bowled well on a number of flat pitches so maybe he's developed his game - injuries sometimes have that effect.