If the 4th monk spec icon exists in wow its a fake, if it doesnt its real. The 4th monk spec would have to be something that represents the crane, Chi-Ji, the color of the icon is sort of correct but the icon itself does not look like a crane (the other icons looks like xuen, niuzao and yulon) so it leads me to believe its fake.

A tinker class AND 1 new spec for every class? Complete bullshit. That'd be way too much work for them to do. Maybe if they did another 1 year gap between 5.4 and the new expac, but they've stated that they want to get expacs out faster. I don't see that happening if they have to essentially create 15 new specs (4 of those being from a completely new class).

For people who think a demon themed expansion with Tinker wouldn't work. Doesn't anyone remember the Fel Reaver? The Doomforge Engineer?

It's like I'm talking with people who don't even play WoW.

Tinkerer can work in any expansion where gnomes and goblins appear. Demon Hunter will only work once. Demon Hunter is the most-desired class.

Connect the dots.

"Oh, who does my hair? You might have heard of my stylist. It's called the Void!"
"No matter how much you plead I will not sprout tentacles or turn into a giant eyeball. Well, I might. But not because you asked!"

DK will only work once too? what you mean? wotlk was the last and only expansion so far with undeads as main evil.

You're statement is a little confusing, what exactly are you trying to say? DKs only work once? Well, that's why they were added in wotlk when we were fighting Arthas.
Is that what you're trying to say or...? Confused.

Wrong, warlocks also gain new abilities when in metamorphosis. But they do get a buff for everything, but not a buff that changes the abilities dramatically.

Support classes, i like them, i liked them in vanilla but then they were taken away. I played a support in Rift for sometime.
If support classes are made to work well, then they are fun to play.

In vanilla our hybrids had strengths and weaknesses, but the strengths in every area made them whole. Other classes were only good doing one thing in one spec. But hybrids had some strengths from all areas in any of their specs.

I remember the countless paladin pvp videos where half prot half holy paladins own people with 2 hander weapons and sometimes 1h and shield. It worked well enough, they were able to heal up to a point and they did good damage with seals and with good enough weapon.

Shamans had windfury for 2 handers too and fine heals with half resto spec, if they were elemental then healing was even stronger.

Druids had good strengths aswell, bearform for survival and some damage, catform for dps (everyones selfheals werent able to overheal that because barely anyone had selfheals other than other hybrid classes) and they had good healing and overall support. There are plenty of druid videos too from vanilla where all these strengths are seen utilized to beat other classes.

Bringing powerful selfheals for everyone destroyed the possibility in having support classes or specs like back in the day. Their low damage would not be able to hit thro second wind for example. And they arent supposed to be able to hit as hard as pure specs and classes.

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Originally Posted by Poochy

You're statement is a little confusing, what exactly are you trying to say? DKs only work once? Well, that's why they were added in wotlk when we were fighting Arthas.
Is that what you're trying to say or...? Confused.

What did the other guy say before me? he said the same thing about demon hunters i think, so i asked him the same question about DKs.

While I hope a fourth spec would be made I have to use logic here and day it's not possible. PVP is already a problem at the moment adding 11 new specs to balance would destroy PVP and blizzard would not do that.

As far as another class goes, that is easily doable. I would have to lean towards demon hunter bc diablo. Don't say they aren't related bc monks appeared in both almost simultaneously. But I would prefer a different class besides another hunter. I guess demon hunter could go melee.

Hopefully we will hear something at blizzcon, maybe something about Titan as well

I don't have high hopes for a Tinker, but you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the possibility of fourth specs for everyone. It would be the perfect way to complement new character models, and really breathe some new life into what will then be a nigh on ten-year-old game.

I left my monk because chi management may be worse than combo point management on a rogue. Monks need more non-chi damage options.

Compared to what DK's were at launch... Monks are significantly more balanced.

If you're not a fan of the playstyle, that's an entirely different issue. Though I do somewhat agree that WW need another chi-less-button to hit that isn't Jab and T30.

The point is that they're significantly more competent at implementing new classes since WLK.

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Originally Posted by Pacer

If the 4th monk spec icon exists in wow its a fake, if it doesnt its real. The 4th monk spec would have to be something that represents the crane, Chi-Ji, the color of the icon is sort of correct but the icon itself does not look like a crane (the other icons looks like xuen, niuzao and yulon) so it leads me to believe its fake.

Would be overjoyed with an actual caster dps Paladin spec. I never get to spec dps on 2 healer fights. Blood mage would be great too. All fake I'm sure but great ideas.

TBH I would make due if Holy had some more damage output in their spells. Make Holy shock, Judgements, Holy Wrath pack bigger punches and make one of the seals boost white damage considerably by spellpower or INT. I feel like all healers should be normalized to at least be on par with Disc Priests and Mistweavers when DPSing. Even if it's not a pure DPS spec, it would make things like running scenarios a lot easier.

Once we have a clue of what the expansion name is we can guess at the content.

If it has anything to do with the Legion then I expect a hero Class, and ten levels.
If it is another filler arc like MOP than anything is possible.

Possible filler arcs, The Emerald Dream, South Seas, ect...
Possible End Story The Invasion of the Legion, Something Sargeras, Argus, Titans, ect...

Also to make it clear if it is anything to do with the South Seas than it will be a Goblin heavy expansion, and Tinker would be a 'New Class'. If it is anything to do with the Legion and the Return of Illidan than we will have Demon Hunters and a complete redesign of all classes.

Why does it have to be filler or the end? Why can't it just be "legion expansion because hell yeah!"?

"Oh, who does my hair? You might have heard of my stylist. It's called the Void!"
"No matter how much you plead I will not sprout tentacles or turn into a giant eyeball. Well, I might. But not because you asked!"

And imo we don't new classes, we need new specs to make it fun again, spec should only be available at lvl cap tho! I dont want to lvl a new alt to 90+ all over again!!
And what we need is fun and useful professions (not arch type ones)!

Let's say for a moment that these are real. The specs proposed already have some form in the game, so really they're just adding a new way to use the abilities; not creating an entire new spec with all new tools.

Warrior - Dragon Roar; focuses on shouts, maybe gets a new avatar that looks like a draconid.

Mage - Blood; probably one of the few actual new specs.

Rogue - Deadened Nerves; already has everything there, just needs it switched on and arranged.

Druid - Already implemented, and should be used as the basis for what they would do. Guardian got (and still gets) most of the same things it already had when it was lumped in with feral. They added like 2 new buttons and shifted the rest away from other specs. This is what I believe they would do with most other classes.

Shaman - Earth warden; move anything related to the tank aspect to this spec; reimplement (they're in the files/backups) the stuff that was truly for tanking here. No new work, just rework and updates.

Priest - Wand icon?; a ranged dps spec that isn't shadow. Gets the old wand bonuses that used to exist in Discipline? A little flimsy, but eh.

Warlock - Metamorphosis; have your cake and eat it too. Removes the glyph and lets demonologists have their pure DPS role back.

Just to throw a metaphorical wrench into the gear here (to potentially cause more speculation and discussion).

What if the entire build-up with Wrathion and the Legendary questline is for the Prince of the Black Dragonflight to use the power of the Celestials and his Draconic powers to unlock the "hidden potential" of the classes. Introducing a 4th spec for all classes.

It's a little cliche, but with all that's happening lately with Wrathion and his heavy-heavy-heavy involvement in the actions occurring on Pandaria, it's a possibility that any new specs could be linked to him doing something.

(The warrior Dragon Roar icon lead me down that path of speculation.. I wonder if anyone else had that thought.)