Please everyone direct your attention to...and a round of applause for Nate Livings!! Youre the best lineman on arguably the worst OL in the NFL which coincidentally is arguably the worst offense in the NFL!

But the problem is the results aren't there. What we hear off the field and what we see on the field are two entirely different things.

You can't simply just define a 'process' that guarantees success in the NFL.

I believe Garrett is overconfident--even arrogant--with his 'process'. He thinks it will result in success regardless of whether this particular process is even the right one for the job. We frequently complain that Garrett is predictable with his playcalling. That he believes it doesn't matter what you're doing--if you do it well, they won't stop you. We often complain about his apparent refusal to upgrade an obviously weak unit on the team. Or bench under-performing players and weak links. I think we see these things because Garrett has this stubborn belief in himself--and the process he has defined--and refuses to challenge this belief. Because everything is a 'process' and as long as we embody this 'process' in everything we do, we'll win. It's our fundamental flaw. He cannot change what we do because he won't change what he does.

This isn't a corporation. It's a football team.

I don't care how good the head coach sounds behind a podium. I don't care how he has a winning attitude and likes the 'right kind of guy'. We're not building an office full of 9-5er robots, we're building a team of players whose sole job is to beat the other team of players up.

Hoofbite;4777372 said:

I think when you evaluate a head coach you have to ask yourself if he is getting the most from what he has.

Currently, he is not. End of story. Dallas has a QB and they have all the skill players any coach could ever want.

Find me a single OC who is currently employed who couldn't get results if they had all that AND a good OL.

Do the results match up to the pieces the team has on offense? Simple as that and the answer is, "They do not".

Also, you have to ask yourself how much of the defensive play this season do you credit to Jason.. having never played defense and never coached it before anywhere?

Also, if you can't spell a word, you shouldn't try to use it to mock somebody with. Just a thought..

Point 1 - As many years as necessary to turn this around. He is the right guy. At least 2 more, if things don't even improve...

Point 2 - He is the Head Coach, isn't he? So, are you suggesting he doesn't get credit for turning around a defense as the Head Coach? Was bringing in Ryan the HC's decision? Seems like a double standard - he gets crucified as Head Coach if they don't improve, but others get the credit if they do?

Point 3 - Guilty. Feel better? Never said I was perfect. And, I have a day job. I really don't take time to edit.

I think when you evaluate a head coach you have to ask yourself if he is getting the most from what he has.

Currently, he is not. End of story. Dallas has a QB and they have all the skill players any coach could ever want.

Find me a single OC who is currently employed who couldn't get results if they had all that AND a good OL.

Do the results match up to the pieces the team has on offense? Simple as that and the answer is, "They do not".

We have great skill position players, but so what? The offensive line sucks. They can't block to save their lives. No running lanes for Murray. Romo has zero time to throw in a clean pocket, has to constantly scramble, etc. You can't judge Garrett to you give him a compatent offensive line.

We have great skill position players, but so what? The offensive line sucks. They can't block to save their lives. No running lanes for Murray. Romo has zero time to throw in a clean pocket, has to constantly scramble, etc. You can't judge Garrett to you give him a compatent offensive line.

If Jason Garrett supposedly has all of his personnel control, he should've gotten an offensive line in here.

I'm just tired of the same old crap and Garrett has offered us nothing but the same old crap.

If Garrett was fired today who would hire him? Would he ever get another coordinator job?

Who cares? He's not getting fired so get over yourself. Bottom line is the front office hasn't put him in a great position to be successful. He got the coaching job after a horrible 1-7 start in 2010. Then the team went 5-3 down the stretch. I'm that offseason we did essentially nothing as far as adding pieces. We drafted Tyron Smith, but there we players available in free agency that could've helped the team and we did nothing. Then this last offseason Jerry showed how clueless of a GM he is by overpaying for a corner in Carr and than drafting another corner in Claibourne. Again ignored the biggest weakness of this football team. The trenches.

Point 1 - As many years as necessary to turn this around. He is the right guy. At least 2 more, if things don't even improve...

Point 2 - He is the Head Coach, isn't he? So, are you suggesting he doesn't get credit for turning around a defense as the Head Coach? Was bringing in Ryan the HC's decision? Seems like a double standard - he gets crucified as Head Coach if they don't improve, but others get the credit if they do?

Point 3 - Guilty. Feel better? Never said I was perfect. And, I have a day job. I really don't take time to edit.

Point 4 - Lighten up...

Point 1.. really all that needs to be said on this topic. "As many years as necessary.."

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Congrats on your day job, btw. As for the defense, JG is the OC, Ryan is the DC. Just as when Wade was here JG was the OC, and Wade was the DC. I would assume JG doesn't have a whole lot of knowledge about anything relating to the defensive side of the ball, considering he's never played there and never coached anything on that side.. so giving him credit for us playing well on D is a bit hollow, imo.

Who cares? He's not getting fired so get over yourself. Bottom line is the front office hasn't put him in a great position to be successful. He got the coaching job after a horrible 1-7 start in 2010. Then the team went 5-3 down the stretch. I'm that offseason we did essentially nothing as far as adding pieces. We drafted Tyron Smith, but there we players available in free agency that could've helped the team and we did nothing. Then this last offseason Jerry showed how clueless of a GM he is by overpaying for a corner in Carr and than drafting another corner in Claibourne. Again ignored the biggest weakness of this football team. The trenches.

So last year we failed because he didn't get an offseason and this year we will fail because he didn't manage to get a great oline?

Sorry but I look around the league and see plenty of teams with bad line play overcome it and win consistently.

At some point you just gotta say the guy can't get the job done. It shouldn't take years to figure it out and if he needs a perfect roster to be a quality coach then that doesn't say much about him.

...I believe Garrett is overconfident--even arrogant--with his 'process'. He thinks it will result in success regardless of whether this particular process is even the right one for the job. We frequently complain that Garrett is predictable with his playcalling. That he believes it doesn't matter what you're doing--if you do it well, they won't stop you. We often complain about his apparent refusal to upgrade an obviously weak unit on the team. Or bench under-performing players and weak links. I think we see these things because Garrett has this stubborn belief in himself--and the process he has defined--and refuses to challenge this belief. Because everything is a 'process' and as long as we embody this 'process' in everything we do, we'll win. It's our fundamental flaw. He cannot change what we do because he won't change what he does...

It's kind of hard to make changes when you have the owner saying who will and will not be brought in and who will and will not be playing in the games.

For example, Garrett mentioned weeks ago that we could see changes to the kick returner, speaking primarily of Felix Jones. But Jerry Jones said that Felix would still be the returner despite dismal results and also said yesterday that he doesn't want to dismiss Felix as returner when Dunbar was activated from the practice squad [link].

I've heard before that Garrett has full control, but things like that lead me to doubt that he really does. I feel if Garrett really had freedom to do the things he wanted to without his ideas being nixed by upper management that this team would be much further along in his process than it is right now.

But because he doesn't have full control, he has to do the best with what freedom he does have.

I've heard before that Garrett has full control, but things like that lead me to doubt that he really does. I feel if Garrett really had freedom to do the things he wanted to without his ideas being nixed by upper management that this team would be much further along in his process than it is right now.

But because he doesn't have full control, he has to do the best with what freedom he does have.

That's possible. Not many can get t heir way with Jerry running the show.

But like you said, he has to do the best with what he has. Likewise, we can only judge him by what he's done--not 'what he's done*' (*would've done better as a coach without Jerry Jones the GM).