riggofan wrote:I could really care less whether RGIII enjoys the spotlight or whether he is eating humble pie now or not. He can go out and make "RGIII: Superstar: The Movie" next summer for all I care. I just want the team to get back to winning. We're not losing because RGIII wore an "operation patience" t-shirt.

IMO He's the same guy we all loved last year. The only difference is that he's coming off a serious knee injury and can't make up for our woeful offensive line and defense problems like he did last year. It might not happen quick enough for some "fans", but RGIII will be fine.

to say anyone is only a "fan" because they might have a different opinion then you on RG3 is beyond absurd..

I don't think I said that. And I trade messages on here every day with fans who have different opinions than I do about the team.

I just don't have much patience for the "fans" around DC who were all on the RGIII bandwagon last year, but two games into this season are calling into the radio attacking RGIII personally like this. The guy is who he is on a personal level. His sense of showmanship sure never seemed to bother anybody when he led us to the playoffs as a rookie.

So yeah, he probably is having to eat some humble pie right now, no doubt. I still think RGIII will have the last laugh.

everydayAskinsday wrote:how can you prove if anyone has bought into the hype? there is no way of doing such a thing and its a weak attempt to make your point

See my signature. Definite proof is not impossible to find when someone has truly drunk the kool aid.

The burden of proof is one the people who think RGIII has been arrogant. Why can't anyone bring up a quote or string of quotes, or cite behavior that at least suggests it? Throw me a bone here. Saying "You just think it's heresy to ever criticize RGIII ever" is a red herring. I never said anything like that. I just asked for some proof on a point that IMHO is not at all obvious.

"I’m never under the assumption that you draft for need. You draft the best available football player on the board. ... Because, in the long run, they are the ones who will help you win the most games." - Scot McCloughan

"I'm the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be."
-Bret Hart

"I love me some me"
-Terrell Owens

"It's not bragging if you can back it up"
-Muhammed Ali (I love him, don't necessarily disagree, but saying this must be included in "buying into the hype")

-"I'm the Greatest"
-Muhammed Ali (Id.)

Not buying into the hype:

Robert Griffin III wrote:At this point, it doesn’t matter what anybody else does, it matters what we go out and do. And as long as we stay together as a team in the locker room, then we can still go out and be successful. You don’t want anyone to go start pointing the finger or anything like that. Like they say, before you point a finger, you’ve got to look in the mirror and we all got to be a lot more accountable for what goes on on that field and we’ll do it.-September 18, 2013

“You have to trust your preparation. You trust your foundation. I put the work into the offseason to make sure that I was OK coming into the season, and that’s what you trust. You trust God that he’ll protect you, and you go out and you play fearless.”-September 11,2 013

"Whether it’s Coach, the doctors, the decision for me to play Week 1—if they want me to be patient now and ramp it up later, then I’m wiling to do that,’’ he said. “They know that I’m gonna be—I don’t want to say ‘compliant,’ but I’ll follow those rules, follow those guidelines, do as much as I can within that, and when it’s time to go full-go, I’ll be ready to go."-July 24, 2013

"Like Coach said — he's 100% right — I don't have to understand it," Griffin said. "I don't have to like it."-August 13, 2013

All of us bring our opinions on how someone should behave at a given time or what tone we think they should take in a given circumstance. He may (surely does) have a ton of flaws of which we are not aware, but there is just zero evidence to support he's bought into the hype. Plenty of evidence of hype, evidence that fans have bought into it, but not so much of him doing so. A t-shirt that says "OPeration Patience" is evidence that he's bought into hype? Hype of what, that he has to be patient?I am happy to be proven wrong.

We can say its our opinion he has all we want, so long as we can accept that our perception is not reality.

I know he got a pretty good zip on the ball. He has a quick release. . . once I seen a coupla' throws, I was just like 'Yeah, he's that dude.'"

I got this far into it thinking this was an RGIII quote before I realized what you were doing.

A very nice post followed:

All of us bring our opinions on how someone should behave at a given time or what tone we think they should take in a given circumstance. He may (surely does) have a ton of flaws of which we are not aware, but there is just zero evidence to support he's bought into the hype. Plenty of evidence of hype, evidence that fans have bought into it, but not so much of him doing so. A t-shirt that says "OPeration Patience" is evidence that he's bought into hype? Hype of what, that he has to be patient?I am happy to be proven wrong.

We can say its our opinion he has all we want, so long as we can accept that our perception is not reality.

Needless to say, I agree.

"I’m never under the assumption that you draft for need. You draft the best available football player on the board. ... Because, in the long run, they are the ones who will help you win the most games." - Scot McCloughan

If by "buying into the hype" you mean that he played extremely well last year (rookie of the year) and he knows it, then I agree with you. Washington is a slightly larger market than Indy or Seattle, but I can guarantee you that if you lived in those markets you'd think that those players were hyped just as much.

Deadskins wrote:If by "buying into the hype" you mean that he played extremely well last year (rookie of the year) and he knows it, then I agree with you. Washington is a slightly larger market than Indy or Seattle, but I can guarantee you that if you lived in those markets you'd think that those players were hyped just as much.

Probably so locally. I did not hear one word about Andrew Luck on a national level at all in the offseason. And he was supposed to be the best of his draft class.

No one sees even the slightest bit of arrogance (or confidence, depending on your viewpoint) in RGIII? Really? The guy produced his own documentary about his comeback to the NFL. Not saying that a little arrogance isn't a good thing, but some people really need to take the blinders off. And it's kind of funny when Shanny says something in a presser it's referred to as "coach speak". But Griffin's words are gospel. Our fanbase really is weird.

"I’m never under the assumption that you draft for need. You draft the best available football player on the board. ... Because, in the long run, they are the ones who will help you win the most games." - Scot McCloughan

StorminMormon86 wrote:I did not hear one word about Andrew Luck on a national level at all in the offseason. And he was supposed to be the best of his draft class.

God, I did. In fact, I was a little pissed off by the way every time they talked about young QBs, it was always Wilson, Kapernick, Luck. After a few minutes of that someone would always throw in "and RGIII." It was as if he didn't win the ROY. The only time they talked about RGIII, was to give an update on his knee. I don't live in the DC area, so the only news I get is at the national level. I think you're suffering from localized overexposure, that you're mistaking for national.

StorminMormon86 wrote:I did not hear one word about Andrew Luck on a national level at all in the offseason. And he was supposed to be the best of his draft class.

God, I did. In fact, I was a little pissed off by the way every time they talked about young QBs, it was always Wilson, Kapernick, Luck. After a few minutes of that someone would always throw in "and RGIII." It was as if he didn't win the ROY. The only time they talked about RGIII, was to give an update on his knee. I don't live in the DC area, so the only news I get is at the national level. I think you're suffering from localized overexposure, that you're mistaking for national.

ESPN and NFL Network had the constant "updates" on Griffin's status and quotes from his pressers. "THE LEAD" on ESPN's score tracker actually had one of Griffin's tweets about being cleared. There was nothing (that I saw anyway) that was shown or said about Luck. Mostly RGIII with Wilson also taking a lot of the spotlight.

I don't think there is anyway to tell what he has brought into one way or the other, I think his parents try to keep him grounded, but I think he is being pulled from all sides. For me my issue is him saying he is 100% because he doesn't look anything like he did last year, I know he is coming back from injury but he looks slower, more hesitant and just outright flat. He seems to be forcing things and I think all this coupled with the fact that we have serious issues with the O-Line and the entire Defensive Coaching staff is making this more pronounced. Unless someone carries a hidden microphone around RG 0-3 for a while for 24 hours a day there is no way to really tell what he has brought into or if he really believes his own hype........Heck lets look at Von Miller, look at how nice and professional he came off as in front of the camera, but now we get to see the real picture of who he is, a crooked weed smoking young man that violated rules and the trust of his own fans. For all we know RG 0-3 could be the same type of person, we just don't know either way......

DaSkinz Baby wrote:I don't think there is anyway to tell what he has brought into one way or the other, I think his parents try to keep him grounded, but I think he is being pulled from all sides. For me my issue is him saying he is 100% because he doesn't look anything like he did last year, I know he is coming back from injury but he looks slower, more hesitant and just outright flat. He seems to be forcing things and I think all this coupled with the fact that we have serious issues with the O-Line and the entire Defensive Coaching staff is making this more pronounced. Unless someone carries a hidden microphone around RG 0-3 for a while for 24 hours a day there is no way to really tell what he has brought into or if he really believes his own hype........Heck lets look at Von Miller, look at how nice and professional he came off as in front of the camera, but now we get to see the real picture of who he is, a crooked weed smoking young man that violated rules and the trust of his own fans. For all we know RG 0-3 could be the same type of person, we just don't know either way......

WRONG - I'm pretty sure about what type of person RG3 is and IMO you don't have a clue about him or what he's going through

RG3 (and Kyle) have not yet made the adjustments to what the DCs are doing defensively ...
RG3 is physically fine, he's not as comfortable with the offense or what the defenses are doing, is all

It's that time of the year - RUN THE DAMN BALL - if they figure out how to stop it then find another way to RUN THE DAMN BALL

StorminMormon86 wrote:I do not think for a second that Griffin is fully "physically fine". If he was, there would be no need for a knee brace. He's getting there, but not there yet.

hah. Don't go there. I made the point about the knee brace before the season and had a dozen posters jump on me.

"Bah!! He's just wearing that knee brace for comfort! Bah bah bah!"

I still think its insane to believe any athlete is going to be completely back to normal this soon after major knee surgery. But I will say I thought RGIII looked much more like his old self last week vs. the Lions. Maybe just a mental/confidence thing playing his third game. People can doubt all they want, but I think he's going to break out soon.