Agreed but nobody is forcing you to read my opinion on an internet forum. If you are comparing 0-60 times from a magazine then I would consider you a hypocrite. You say that lightweight chassis and driver feel are important yet you are internet spec racing, interesting...

I understand the price of gas but then why do you own a 1M. Shouldn't you have bought something "environmentally friendly". The way people feel across the pond are not the way americans think. If you want to compete in america, then you need to consider the market and demand people are after over here.

I just read your posts because you addressed them to me and I've politely answered you... probably my last one.

Performance is always measurable, it's an objective thing. The only measure of performance I've found about the Camaro that is objectively comparable to the Alfa 4C's is the Camaro's 0-60 mph acceleration time... unless you can show me the Camaro's Nurburgring lap time when driven by Horst von Saurma.

What the Alfa 4C does, contrary to the Toyobaru for instance, is to bring together performance and handling both mainly based on its extreme lightweight - the Toyobaru can only give you the latter - and that's how the Alfa 4C will be facing the american market.

No one is forcing you to buy an Alfa 4C if you don't believe in its capabilities. At least its claimed 0-62 mph time is so ever slightly lower at 4.5 s than the Camaro 1le 0-60 mph time which is 4.5 s... or if you will it's at least the same time.

As for the price, you have to realize that lightness adds a lot of money to the price tag, be it in Europe or in the US, and for you to understand the benefit of it, how it makes the driver to be intimately connected to the car as if it was a bionic extension of your body and hence making of it a truly driver's car you really need to drive a lightweight car with a comparable performance to the Alfa 4C... or better still, the Alfa Romeo 4C itself.

Of course that, I could add the huge benefits in terms of fuel consumption and emissions but you being an american much probably wouldn't care. However, this is something that concerns me as an european because 1 gallon of petrol is WAY too expensive in the old continent as it is a Camaro because of its big engine and emissions.

For sure when you compare the Alfa 4C against a 981 Porsche Cayman S, a Boxster S or a E92 M3, which the Alfa 4C can beat performance wise, you realize that at 54000$ the 4C is the less expensive of them all, and I mean, by a HUGE margin.

As for the Camaro the only car I've ever owned that more closely can resemble it for the big torque and weight is my BMW 1M... and all I can tell you is I want to trade it for the Alfa 4C and I'm waiting for the dealer answer to close the deal.

Sure everybody is following this thread not because they "love" you, but because they want to see where this dumbness is going to. At the cinema you watch the film to the end even if you see how bad it is.

With some measured performance values, not quoted mind you, of the Alfa 4C you can see that it matches the Camaro 1LE even in the 0-400m (~ 1/4 of mile) time. This is serious performance from the Alfa 4C with only 250 hp against a 426 hp beast:

Nothing one fewer clutch and one more pedal wouldn't fix. At least for me.

Completely agree, but unfortunately the manual trans is going to be a thing of the past for most vehicles. We are a minority. But from my experience the trans in the 4C isn't too bad. Right up there with any other robot manual unit.

Test mules of what appears to be yet another two very lightweight beauty models from Alfa Romeo have been spotted in Serbia and shed some camouflage... if the Alfa 4C serves as an indication, can't wait to see them in person... without camouflage

Thank god they fixed the headlights. Now if they'd just figure out a proper transmission and a way to sell it over here.

Totally agreed with you! On both counts.

This car is so sexy!!! But the fact that we are not allowed to row on our own really diminishes the intimate experience...if porsche offers the MT, Alfa really should too if they want to showthey have passion.

I didnt kbow there wont be any manual. I was so looking forward to this car yesterday.
Less so now because of the tranny.

I am willing to give it a chance, but i really have to test drive it first.
I am just afraid i will miss too much the MT.

As for the weight gained, if i were to buy this car, i would try to have it strip down.