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Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

I'm not going to trust polls right now. Romney is a clown and he has no chance of beating Obama. We still have many months to the election.

Spoken like a true head in the sand partisan

Europe is likely to get worse ........... which won't help our economy
The general public will not give a pass to the President for that not being his fault
Latest polls say 91% of Republicans support Romney - so he for whatever reason has recovered from the crazy primary stuff
IF/WHEN he moves to the center and removes the "scary" tag that Obama-ites want to place on him (Bachman/Santorum/etc. types have) - well at a minimum it will depress the Pro Obama leaners cuz "Mitt's not so bad"

Most likely the crisis in Europe will be contained. The US economy has demonstrated both resilience and strength with recent figures.

the jobs report sucked

people are dropping out of the labor force at an alarming rate - making the unemployment rate artificially low

the labor force participation rate, now at 63.6%, at its lowest level since 1981.

your head is firmly planted underneath the surface - i'm just saying that people will react to economic news - and the president is accountable - that's the way it is - and things could get worse - and if you read the poll article - it basically says the ONE THING that's clear is Mitt Romney is a viable candidate in the public's eyes - strap in

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

The job report was a blip. You can try to twist and distort things all you want, but things are changing for the better. You can resort to all the insults you want, but you have nothing to support yourself besides the same typical old strawmans. The reports I've posted show resilience. And the same goes to you Jack. You guys don't have a grasp of the facts or reality. You'll vote against Obama because you blame the black guy for everything. The recovery has gone at a steady pace, and while there was a slight slowdown in job growth, recent indicators show activity picking up once again. The recovery was not going to be even, or even perfect.

you're incapable of recognizing anything that is not "pro obama administration"

I want the economy to be robust and great - that's good for all

but the # of people leaving the workforce is alarming and growth is less than 1/2 of expected - post recession

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

The economy isn't in dire straits the republicans are claiming. Re-read what I posted. This time more slowly. The recovery has had blips, but it for the most part has been steady. I've posted the facts, you have not. You rely on strawman arguments and polls that flip-flop faster then Mitt Romney can blink. You post in this annoying haiku, and not once have I've seen a rational argument. I'm tired of it, chance.

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

The job report was a blip. You can try to twist and distort things all you want, but things are changing for the better. You can resort to all the insults you want, but you have nothing to support yourself besides the same typical old strawmans. The reports I've posted show resilience. And the same goes to you Jack. You guys don't have a grasp of the facts or reality. You'll vote against Obama because you blame the black guy for everything. The recovery has gone at a steady pace, and while there was a slight slowdown in job growth, recent indicators show activity picking up once again. The recovery was not going to be even, or even perfect.

Why is it always the race card?

Ask the millions of Americans who are without jobs or have taken part-time jobs just to pay for their mortgages and not lose their homes if the economy is steady and improving.

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Last month over 1/2 million people left the work force -- they gave up! We have less people working today than we did in 1981.

Try selling a house today -- you're going to lose money.

Yeah? And just how will the republicans change things if they get in power? Tax cuts for the rich? Ban abortion? Defense of Marriage Act? What is Romney's plan to save America?

We can't afford to have another republican in the White House. Look at the last three...... Reagan, Bush I and Dubya. Reagan quadrupled the deficit. Bush I, War and recession. Dubya started 2 wars, slashed taxes for the wealthy, drove up the deficit, and we're still trying to climb out of the depression he dumped the country in.

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Yeah? And just how will the republicans change things if they get in power? Tax cuts for the rich? Ban abortion? Defense of Marriage Act? What is Romney's plan to save America?

Hey, quit dissing them republicons. They need something to distract the public with.

Originally Posted by CowboyBob

We can't afford to have another republican in the White House. Look at the last three...... Reagan, Bush I and Dubya. Reagan quadrupled the deficit. Bush I, War and recession. Dubya started 2 wars, slashed taxes for the wealthy, drove up the deficit, and we're still trying to climb out of the depression he dumped the country in.

They keep telling you they're the party of low taxation. And they deliver! For the rich...

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

60 percent of the white vote went Republican in 2010. I see no reason to believe that will change in 2012. Playing the race card will hurt BO. It appeals to his base, but he has them already.
It insults and alienates others. Republicans tend to turn out at the polls better. Most polls do not account for the advantage Republican states have in the Electoral College. Unemployment will still be high in Nov. it may improve but not back to 2006 levels before the Democrat Congress. News events between now and Nov will effect the result and it is easier for bad things to occur than good. There is no good equivalent of a terrorist attack. Romney can still help himself with a good choice for VP-- Rubio for instance. BO is stuck with Biden who is no help whatsoever. Rubio can guarantee Florida. He will bring some Hispanic votes. He will undermine BOs race card strategy by making it harder to accuse Republicans of being racist and anti-Hispanic. He is good looking, very articulate and a great spokesman for free.enterprise.
For these and other reasons BO has very little chance in my opinion. No GC, it is an opinion. You never prove yours and I will not prove
Mine.

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Benvolio, I provide proof for my arguments. You haven't done so. And there is no reason to think 60% of whites will vote the same way in 2012. Why? Because democrats tend to turn out in general elections more because it involves the Presidency. Don't compare midterm elections to general elections. It shows how you don't understand the difference between the two. Romney can still help himself? Why are you going to vote for that man? Because he's a republican? Oh please. Rubio is a horrible option... Barack Obama has very little chance? Are you serious? where do you get that from? Thin air once again? Rubio won't carry any Hispanic votes, anymore then Sarah Palin helped with the female vote (which was not at all).

And Rubio isn't even real to his roots. And asides from that he should be more worried about Cuban-Americans starting to switch over to democrat.

Rubio won't help Romney at all... nor will bring any Hispanic votes. It'll probably have a strong blowback effect. Republicans are racist and indeed rabidly anti-Hispanic. One can just bring up their xenophobic attempts of immigration policy.

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Where is yours? I've provided proof in this thread to back up my argument. You haven't. Where is your proof that Rubio can attract latino voters? Please. He won't have any effect outside of Florida. Cuban-Americans are much more different politically then a great majority of Latinos. Take Texas for example. If it wasn't redistricted the way it was, it would be a democrat leaning state... primarily because of Latinos.

And my proof? Take a look at any number of xenophobic, racial profiling laws passed in this country, including the one in Arizona. Backed by Republicans.

You miss my point. Nominating a Latino pulls the rug out from under those, [Text: Removed by Moderator] who want to foment racial animosity for partisan purposes. You can't prove that BO will be elected, it is merely your opinion incapable of proof.

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Romney is in an interesting position: If he moves to the middle, the Tea Party will get mad at him and he'll lose votes, because they'll decide to remember he's a Mormon and Mormons are heretics. If he doesn't move to the middle, the libertarian wing of the party will get sick of it and many will turn to Gary Johnson (just officially selected as the nominee at the Libertarian Party USA convention). If he lies about his economic record, he'll get honest voters disgusted with him. If he doesn't lie, he'll lose all the people in places like the auto industry who will remember he was against helping them. If he tries to be a "common man", he'll look like an idiot and lose voters who don't like candidates trying to fool them. If he doesn't try to be a "common man", he'll be seen as an elite and lose voters who don't like elites. If he acknowledges his plunder-and-abandon record ripping off taxpayers as a venture capitalist, he loses people who don't like people ripping off the taxpayers. If he pretends his venture capitalist career was honest and honorable... well, there he might sucker some people.

When you take a poll like this with the election still far away, each person you ask is imagining that Romney is going to be whatever collection of those positions they prefer. As the election gets closer, he's going to have to pick where he's going to stand -- and he'll lose people.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Uh huh, and Rasmussen oversamples republicans. Those are likely voters who are taking part of the poll. That's how it always goes with these polls.

[Benvolio], 20% of Hispanic Catholics support Romney? That's not a figure to be boastnig about. That means 70-80% support Obama. You see your argument is terrible.

You missed the point. The poll shows that some Hispanics will vote for Romney, contrary to your claim, AND 10 percentage are undecided, so Rubio can only help.
Obama is struggling to avoid telling the truth ,that he favors gay marriage, because he knows it will hurt him with his base of Hispanis and blacks.

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I thought a libertarian vote was just a vote for the plutocrat who despises all but his fellow multi-millionaires.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

The poll shows that some Hispanics will vote for Romney, contrary to your claim, AND 10 percentage are undecided, so Rubio can only help.

Rubio is a Cuban. Most Mexicans could care less about him, because he looks like a gringo and talks like a gringo. Among them, he may in fact hurt.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

That's the truth. I've seen videos of him. Most others like Mexicans and Salvadoreans could in fact be angered if he tries to amplify his "Hispanic" roots. One who tries to be fake in order to turn out support could back fire big time.

But I doubt he'll even be the VP candidate.

Heck, I speak Spanish with a Cuban accent, and it doesn't get me a lot of friendly looks, except from kids delighted someone can talk to them in either language. I once got told by a (legal) Mexican to go back to 'my' island and leave North America to Norteamericanos.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by Kulindahr

I thought a libertarian vote was just a vote for the plutocrat who despises all but his fellow multi-millionaires.

Libertarians are so close to Republicans in many respects that i think most would vote Republican, if not libertarian. They throw away a vote which would otherwize balance out an Obama vote. In that sense, a vote for libertarian is a vote for BO.
Seriously. If you look at the libertarian platform, Platform | Libertarian Party , the economic part would be embraced by most Republicans. I see little resemblance to you anti-corporation, high tax viewpoint. See e.g. Paragraphs 2,2.1,2.4, 2.6.

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

That's the truth. I've seen videos of him. Most others like Mexicans and Salvadoreans could in fact be angered if he tries to amplify his "Hispanic" roots. One who tries to be fake in order to turn out support could back fire big time.

But I doubt he'll even be the VP candidate.

So a guy who may or may not have been born in Cuba of Cuban parents does not qualify to be called hispanic or "amplify" his hispanic roots -- but a person living in the NE -- long gone from Oklahoma can call herself a Native American?

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

So a guy who may or may not have been born in Cuba of Cuban parents does not qualify to be called hispanic or "amplify" his hispanic roots -- but a person living in the NE -- long gone from Oklahoma can call herself a Native American?

What planet do you live on?

Jack, his having Cuban roots is not the question. There is no doubt that Marco Rubio is the son of Cuban born parents. The issue is that he has always claimed (and always used as a way to connect to Cuban Americans) that his parents left Cuba to escape Castro. It turns out that his parents may have left Cuba BEFORE Castro even came to power which makes them emigres not refugees.

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by Benvolio

Libertarians are so close to Republicans in many respects that i think most would vote Republican, if not libertarian. They throw away a vote which would otherwize balance out an Obama vote. In that sense, a vote for libertarian is a vote for BO.
Seriously. If you look at the libertarian platform, Platform | Libertarian Party , the economic part would be embraced by most Republicans. I see little resemblance to you anti-corporation, high tax viewpoint. See e.g. Paragraphs 2,2.1,2.4, 2.6.

That's because most libertarians in the U.S. are actually propertarians, who hold that what someone makes or earns is more sacred than basic liberty.

Last time I had a choice between a guy who never met a part of the Bill of Rights he liked and one who picked and chose. This time the choice is between one who doesn't care about anyone but the rich and one who cares mostly about urbanites.

I can't see where supporting either will further the cause of liberty.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

What planet are you on? You don't even know how Latinos think and it just shows by this post. The guy talks like a gringo. I didn't say that, Kulindahr did. And I agree with him. Rubio won't do a damn thing to attract Latinos to his cause.

How do gringos talk, lol. Geezz man. He has to have a accent to be hispanic now.

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Republicans aren't libertarians nor do they embrace that platform (which I view as unrealistic anyways). Republicans embrace corporatism. Republicans are also big spenders. If you think voting for the republican party is a vote for "freedom", you're sorely mistaken.

No kidding.

I won't vote people who want to continue the persecution of people for their preferred means of entertainment, without harm to others -- that thing misnamed the "War on Drugs", but is actually a means of filling up jails and prisons to make the politicians look good.

I won't vote for people who see others as second-class, worthless, subject to arbitrary firing and homelessness, who use the lying term "traditional marriage" as a means of persecuting those they fear.

I won't vote for people who fail to understand that rights belong to individual human beings and not to any other entities.

I won't vote for people who want to make poverty worse by imposing taxes that take away from people who can't even afford medical care or proper nutrition.

Those are positions which show hatred, not any love of liberty.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

Jack, his having Cuban roots is not the question. There is no doubt that Marco Rubio is the son of Cuban born parents. The issue is that he has always claimed (and always used as a way to connect to Cuban Americans) that his parents left Cuba to escape Castro. It turns out that his parents may have left Cuba BEFORE Castro even came to power which makes them emigres not refugees.

Or good at guessing which way things were going.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

I imagine things will stay a dead heat until towards the end. there is no money in a lopsided race.

Still the race for POTUS in America is always about margins and gaps. Each side gets some of this and some of that.

I think the current lopsided unmarried women vote for Obama which is polling at 68 to 24 % is the biggest tell. That is a huge gap and women vote more than men. So there is a margin fight.

The gay vote was going to Obama anyways so that really doesn't mean a damn thing with his current personal (not yet policy) stance on gay marriage. What will make a difference is those disaffected christian voters have to choose gay marriage or Mormonism... so choose a cult over what is inevitable? Many I think will just stay out of it this time as neither candidate could they even hold their nose and vote for based on their belief system.

African Americans..... done.

Hispanic vote?? some is done and some is religious but I think the republicans have done irrevocable harm to that constituency by being so fervently behind the Arizona shite after a President who really supported immigration and a path for illegals here already. That has to resonate in families with a variety of status and across a couple different countries.

White male vote? I will leave that up to KrisHawk since all us whiteys in the middle are rednecks BUT the republicans do have the white male vote... you know the guys that have low turnout all the time.

The youth vote is overwhelmingly supportive of Obama BUT there hasn't been four years of Bush bashing on every venue known to man to make them think the world will end. So i don't think it will motivate. Add to that Occupy which could have endorsed and thereby rallied support to the only party that would work towards some of their goals. Instead they pissed in the wind and got wet. So the youth vote isn't going to be there unless something dramatic changes.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: The Funny + Uber Cool Guy and Richie Rich in a Dead Heat

^
Maybe the new position will motivate the youth vote. Get gay kids out there urging their friends to "vote for us", and it could have an impact.

Maybe Dan Savage can start a video campaign: "Vote for us!"

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "