The United States has far more violent deaths than any other wealthy nation in part because there are so many residents who own guns and store them in unlocked places in their homesare violent criminals that should be incarcerated, but aren't.

The lax gun rules are a major contributor to the low life expectancy rate that Americans have compared to their global counterparts.

The United States has about six violent deaths per 100,000 residents and none of the 16 other countries included in the review came anywhere close to that ratio.

Let's say that the average age of death of those 6 people is 20 and their life expectancy would have been 80 years. So you lose 6*60=360 years of life expectancy per 100,000 people or an average of 1.3 days of life expectancy. I expect that potato chips have a greater effect.

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posted on 01/09/2013 1:41:53 PM PST
by KarlInOhio
(Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)

Absolutely. One cannot discuss violence in the US without discussing race and the destruction of the nuclear family by our welfare state policies. Mass killings are a small fraction of the gun and other violence in the US.

But our “murder rate” needs to be normed to give any meaningful number. There’s no reason to pretend that most of the population shares the same rate as the heavily black and hispanic areas of Detroit, Camden, Florida, the Worst cities of California, St. Louis,,, etc.

Most normal people simply do not share this risk.
Lumping us in with them is like lumping us in with Mexico because we are all in North America.

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posted on 01/09/2013 1:51:37 PM PST
by DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)

How many of the wealthy nations pursue a intentional change in the nations population by assimilating millions of third world nation immigrants, legal and not; pushing an unproductive minority group to be more so. None have as diverse a population as the USA and this in turn causes an inferior educational system, and millions unable or unwilling to work, which results in a culture disposed to crime..

This, if it follows a natural sequence, will end in a coup and a brutal dictatorship being established.

Could never happen here?? - don't fool yourself.

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posted on 01/09/2013 1:55:20 PM PST
by elpadre
(AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)

Has anyone ever seen an honest study that identifies where the guns are coming from that are used in Chicago and Detroit when perps shoot other perps? Are the gang bangers getting them from legal gun owners, or what?

What is the actual rate in the USA if black and hispanic statistics are taken out of the equation?

Quite similar to pasty white Nordic countries. And you don't even have to take my word for it. Just look at states like the Dakotas, Minnesota and Iowa with comparable pasty white demographics (which also happen to be mainly of Nordic extraction).

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posted on 01/09/2013 2:04:20 PM PST
by Vigilanteman
(Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)

How about a discussion on the numbers of gun deaths due to illegal drug activity? This drug activity is a measure of our failure in the war on drugs in America. Law enforcement does not want to discuss this failure so they scapegoat guns as a diversion from the real menace.

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posted on 01/09/2013 2:10:55 PM PST
by jonrick46
(The opium of Communists: other people's money.)

Has anyone ever seen an honest study that identifies where the guns are coming from that are used in Chicago and Detroit when perps shoot other perps? Are the gang bangers getting them from legal gun owners, or what?

I'm sure they are mostly getting black market/stolen guns for their misdeeds.

This is simply lieing with statistics. The major reason that the U.S. life expectancy is lower than many other countries is that we count early and very premie births as “live births”. Most other countries do not do so. If the baby dies within a few hours of being born, it is not counted as a “live birth” and so is not added into the death statistics.

The other lie is about “gun deaths” which they list as 30,000, when two thirds of that figure is suicides. A large number of European nations and Japan have much higher suicide rates than we do, often enough to overpower our higher murder rates.

“Gun deaths” is a propaganda metric designed to delegitimize guns. One could as easily talk about “hospital deaths” and how we could stop millions of “hospital deaths” each year if we banned hospitals.

"Violent deaths." Obviously a misleading and fraudulent category. What these government guncontrol operatives want you to think is, "Murder by guns," right? Well the FBI UCR says that for 2011 the rate for firearm related murders is 2.75 per 100,000--not anywhere near the 6 that these scumbags quote.

Difference between criminal death and overall death. In the last year data is available:

We have 11,493 firearm homicides, about 3.7 per 100,000.

Our total homicide rate is 16,799 (or 5.5 per 100,000).

Homicide though is the 15th-ranked reason for death in our country.

I would note that other countries have a much lower firearm homicide rate, but not so much lower total homicide rate, because they have more homicides by other means.

Where our numbers get driven up are in suicide rates.
We had 18,735 firearm suicides, a rate of 6.1 per 100,000.

We had 36,909 total suicides, so we are quite high on the suicide rankings, and only about half of suicides are by gun.

On the other hand, there are a lot more suicide attempts; and in the one area where you can make an argument against a gun, it turns out that gun suicides are the most successful. Given the recidivism rate on suicide attempts is relatively low (when they are detected, because we get people help), it is clear that, if you could successfully identify WHO would commit suicide, and prevent THEM from having a gun, you could reduce the suicide rate.

(The argument being that while the same number of people might attempt suicide, since they would fail more, and then get help, fewer people would end up dead).

What is the actual rate in the USA if black and hispanic statistics are taken out of the equation?

It's the same story with obesity rates as well. Factor out the blacks and Mexicans and the United States is a very healthy country, with the very best medical facilities and doctors in the world. That is, until Obamacare put them out of business.

Likewise, the intelligence and educational achievement of Americans matches or exceeds the rest of the developed nations -- if the blacks and hispanics are excluded from the numbers. Simply put diversity is perversity and multiculturalism is a death sentence for our nation.

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posted on 01/09/2013 2:41:10 PM PST
by re_nortex
(DP...that's what I like about Texas.)

If the FBI says 6,000 people were murdered with handguns, around 300 (IIRC) with shotguns and 323 with rifles last year, how do we have 30,000 gun deaths per year? Where do the other 23,000 or so come from? Cleaning accidents? Suicides? Or is that just a bogus statistic? I’m thinking option 3...

Just for discussion, let’s assume this stat means there are 23,000 people killing themselves with firearms in the U.S. each year. In that case, the problem is not guns, it’s that there are 23,000 people depressed enough to kill themselves. They would find another method if there were no guns.

Also, note how the nine with guns are men and the one person with no gun is a woman (no guns for you girls, getting raped is morally superior to self-defense), is taller than the men (gun owners are obviously compensating!) and is shrugging her shoulders as if someone just asked her, “so, if someone tries to mug you or rape you, what will you do about it?”

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posted on 01/09/2013 2:42:17 PM PST
by Mr. Silverback
(Don't worry about the cliff. We're going to all land on some rich guy's wallet.)

We are an accident-prone nation. Interestingly, given how people rail about "gun accidents", guns are not high on the accidental death list. First, Accidents are the 5th leading cause of death in the US, Homicides are 15th.

Of the 118,021 accidental deaths in 2009, only 564 were due to firearms. (0.5%). Seven times more people died from accidental drowning (3517).

As to the overall premise -- our INFANT MORTALITY rate is very high relative to a lot of other developed nations (our overall rank is 50th). There isn't a LOT of infant deaths, but because they represent almost 0 life expectancy, they tend to pull the averages down a lot. Our IM rate is 6 per 100,000 -- MORE than our death rate by gun homicide. Monaco is first at 1.81 per 100,000.

Our life expectancy is ranked 57th. So yes, we could do better -- but we probably have a lot more fun in our shorter lives.

Let's say that the average age of death of those 6 people is 20 and their life expectancy would have been 80 years. So you lose 6*60=360 years of life expectancy per 100,000 people or an average of 1.3 days of life expectancy. I expect that potato chips have a greater effect.

I think your math is correct but I'm betting it only applies for one year. Don't you have to multiply by 80 or so to get the effect on you?

I'm assuming that the 6 per 100,000 is per year even though the article doesn't say so.

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