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Originally posted by ice-vortexThey are probably the only MMO publisher naive enough to agree to charging a monthly fee.

Yeah, how thoughtful of them to think of gamers like me who like the subscription model, especially in light of how most if not all of the F2P converts have gone down hill in quality since the switch.

Except it doesn't matter about gamers like you, because p2p models just aren't viable as anything more than really small niche titles that can subsist on a low subscriber base. New games just cannot release under p2p and except to have any kind of success. Even Trion has realized this with games like Defiance not having a monthly subscription and End of Nations being f2p.

What a load of horse manure. Ftp is a sign of a games demise.

The transition to f2p has kept p2p games that failed on that model from just having their servers shutdown.

If the game sucks that sub players wont stick around, going f2p doesnt make the game 100% better lol.

The games still suck, its just allows people like you to play for free, not better quality.

Everyone thinks f2p is so great and the future. In actuality the games just suck and we dont want to pay for them. You people live in a delussional world. 30 cents a day is pocket change. And for a good game backed by a good publisher, ill be happy to pay up.

p2p games just arent viable? WOW has 10 million of them lol. Eve has 500k which is still damn good. Rift has 300k. Aion had over 2 million. And many more out there. These are people that make the game companies money. Your f2p games may have 1-2 million active accounts but 5% pay any money.

Originally posted by ice-vortexThey are probably the only MMO publisher naive enough to agree to charging a monthly fee.

Yeah, how thoughtful of them to think of gamers like me who like the subscription model, especially in light of how most if not all of the F2P converts have gone down hill in quality since the switch.

Except it doesn't matter about gamers like you, because p2p models just aren't viable as anything more than really small niche titles that can subsist on a low subscriber base. New games just cannot release under p2p and except to have any kind of success. Even Trion has realized this with games like Defiance not having a monthly subscription and End of Nations being f2p.

What a load of horse manure. Ftp is a sign of a games demise.

The transition to f2p has kept p2p games that failed on that model from just having their servers shutdown.

If the game sucks that sub players wont stick around, going f2p doesnt make the game 100% better lol.

The games still suck, its just allows people like you to play for free, not better quality.

Everyone thinks f2p is so great and the future. In actuality the games just suck and we dont want to pay for them. You people live in a delussional world. 30 cents a day is pocket change. And for a good game backed by a good publisher, ill be happy to pay up.

p2p games just arent viable? WOW has 10 million of them lol. Eve has 500k which is still damn good. Rift has 300k. Aion had over 2 million. And many more out there. These are people that make the game companies money. Your f2p games may have 1-2 million active accounts but 5% pay any money.

Aion went F2P earlier this year. It currently has one of the best cashshop / F2P models around though, under their "Truly F2P" vision. All the comments about games sucking is very subjective. I don't think Aion sucks, but some don't like it for whatever reasons, just as an example.

F2P can have it's advantages, like opening the game to a broader market, and filling the world with players, so others feel more comfortable using the cashshop. The real hitch though is that many companies see this as a way to gouge customers via P2W or a disguised P2P model by gimping their F2P so badly (cough SWTOR).

All the same, I'd have no problem paying a monthly sub for a game, if the game was awesome. Older games were quite amazing in what they could do given past technology, so that justified the sub right there. Current games are bland, clones of other games, and/or uninspired, not worthy of a sub.

Some really good F2P games exist (Aion, LoL, etc) .. but there are so many bad ones that the good ones get their reputation tarnished. I'd play ArcheAge whether it's F2P or P2P honestly. It has a very innovative game design which has been missing from the MMO industry as of late.

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Originally posted by ice-vortexThey are probably the only MMO publisher naive enough to agree to charging a monthly fee.

Yeah, how thoughtful of them to think of gamers like me who like the subscription model, especially in light of how most if not all of the F2P converts have gone down hill in quality since the switch.

Except it doesn't matter about gamers like you, because p2p models just aren't viable as anything more than really small niche titles that can subsist on a low subscriber base. New games just cannot release under p2p and except to have any kind of success. Even Trion has realized this with games like Defiance not having a monthly subscription and End of Nations being f2p.

WoW is still subscription based...you calling it a niche title? You serious? lol

So far all of the f2p titles have gone down the trash can really quick after they switched from p2p. I have yet to see even one successful f2p title that isn't dominated by rich fat kids.

Originally posted by ice-vortexThey are probably the only MMO publisher naive enough to agree to charging a monthly fee.

Yeah, how thoughtful of them to think of gamers like me who like the subscription model, especially in light of how most if not all of the F2P converts have gone down hill in quality since the switch.

Except it doesn't matter about gamers like you, because p2p models just aren't viable as anything more than really small niche titles that can subsist on a low subscriber base. New games just cannot release under p2p and except to have any kind of success. Even Trion has realized this with games like Defiance not having a monthly subscription and End of Nations being f2p.

What a load of horse manure. Ftp is a sign of a games demise.

The transition to f2p has kept p2p games that failed on that model from just having their servers shutdown.

If the game sucks that sub players wont stick around, going f2p doesnt make the game 100% better lol.

The games still suck, its just allows people like you to play for free, not better quality.

Everyone thinks f2p is so great and the future. In actuality the games just suck and we dont want to pay for them. You people live in a delussional world. 30 cents a day is pocket change. And for a good game backed by a good publisher, ill be happy to pay up.

p2p games just arent viable? WOW has 10 million of them lol. Eve has 500k which is still damn good. Rift has 300k. Aion had over 2 million. And many more out there. These are people that make the game companies money. Your f2p games may have 1-2 million active accounts but 5% pay any money.

Aion went F2P earlier this year. It currently has one of the best cashshop / F2P models around though, under their "Truly F2P" vision. All the comments about games sucking is very subjective. I don't think Aion sucks, but some don't like it for whatever reasons, just as an example.

F2P can have it's advantages, like opening the game to a broader market, and filling the world with players, so others feel more comfortable using the cashshop. The real hitch though is that many companies see this as a way to gouge customers via P2W or a disguised P2P model by gimping their F2P so badly (cough SWTOR).

All the same, I'd have no problem paying a monthly sub for a game, if the game was awesome. Older games were quite amazing in what they could do given past technology, so that justified the sub right there. Current games are bland, clones of other games, and/or uninspired, not worthy of a sub.

Some really good F2P games exist (Aion, LoL, etc) .. but there are so many bad ones that the good ones get their reputation tarnished. I'd play ArcheAge whether it's F2P or P2P honestly. It has a very innovative game design which has been missing from the MMO industry as of late.

If^ you like mediocrity..!

Most people can, & will pay subs for the game they know are made with depth & meant as a worldy experiences, instead of a character one.

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