Since there won't be story comics for a while, I started this topic for random thoughts about EGS to fill the time.

For starters: Anime-Style Martial Arts feats are magic. Therefore, at the moment neither Elliot nor Ellen can learn any new ones, until they deal with the "weird awakening" phenomenon. On the other hand, their raised energy levels may make them incredibly powerful with their existing abilities.

nitpicking wrote:Since there won't be story comics for a while, I started this topic for random thoughts about EGS to fill the time.

For starters: Anime-Style Martial Arts feats are magic. Therefore, at the moment neither Elliot nor Ellen can learn any new ones, until they deal with the "weird awakening" phenomenon. On the other hand, their raised energy levels may make them incredibly powerful with their existing abilities.

that also implies the Sensai Greg has magic powers as well, I think I would like to see that

nitpicking wrote:Since there won't be story comics for a while, I started this topic for random thoughts about EGS to fill the time.

For starters: Anime-Style Martial Arts feats are magic. Therefore, at the moment neither Elliot nor Ellen can learn any new ones, until they deal with the "weird awakening" phenomenon. On the other hand, their raised energy levels may make them incredibly powerful with their existing abilities.

that also implies the Sensai Greg has magic powers as well, I think I would like to see that

nitpicking wrote:Since there won't be story comics for a while, I started this topic for random thoughts about EGS to fill the time.

For starters: Anime-Style Martial Arts feats are magic. Therefore, at the moment neither Elliot nor Ellen can learn any new ones, until they deal with the "weird awakening" phenomenon. On the other hand, their raised energy levels may make them incredibly powerful with their existing abilities.

that also implies the Sensai Greg has magic powers as well, I think I would like to see that

Aeg'air wrote:Where does it state that Sensai Greg has magical powers? It shows a picture of him to represent training but nowhere does it say 'Sensai Greg has magical powers'.

I'm not sure why you're arguing. We know that ASMA stuff is magical because Mr. Verres says so. Greg is shown on a whole page of magic users. Why are you inexplicably (I guess that's an oxymoron) arguing that he nonetheless isn't using magic?

Aeg'air wrote:Where does it state that Sensai Greg has magical powers? It shows a picture of him to represent training but nowhere does it say 'Sensai Greg has magical powers'.

I'm not sure why you're arguing. We know that ASMA stuff is magical because Mr. Verres says so. Greg is shown on a whole page of magic users. Why are you inexplicably (I guess that's an oxymoron) arguing that he nonetheless isn't using magic?

Uh, Aeg'air isn't arguing that Sensei Greg isn't using magic, just that that comic didn't explicitly state so. It did strongly imply it, but Mr. Verres was the first to state per se that ASMA is magic.

If you must feed the troll, take it to PMs.To help avoid feeding the troll, there's an ignore feature.

Actually I don't think this was really supposed to be Greg on the comic, but instead this guy here: http://egscomics.com/egsnp/d/20050625.html Of course those two look identical, but the difference is, that Greg can't teach magic, while the guy from the EGS NP can. Yes, Greg has power that qualifies as magic, but the comic from Nitpicking:

Sensei Greg is as right as a man who believes that gnomes steal his thoughts is when he says that 2 + 2 = 4. That is to say, Greg is flat-out insane and was just accidentally right that his "anime style martial arts" can work due to the coincidental presence of magic.

In other words: Verres = man of authority, he knows his stuff.Greg = insane guy, only trust him as far as you can throw him.

nitpicking wrote:For starters: Anime-Style Martial Arts feats are magic. Therefore, at the moment neither Elliot nor Ellen can learn any new ones, until they deal with the "weird awakening" phenomenon.

I'm not sure that's the case. Any new magic they get from levelling up (or however that works) is supposed to be related to their unusual awakenings, but there doesn't seem to be any particular barrier to Greg teaching them a new technique.

I'd like everyone, and/or Dan,to coin a different term than 'magic' for the energy that powers reality bending in the EGS verse. To me, it seems like magic is a specific expression of this energy, with chi, shapeshifting, and mad science being others. When people use 'magic' for everything it feels like they're describing planes, trains, submarines, and bicycles all as being 'cars', because a word for 'vehicles' doesn't exist.

Acriaos wrote:Actually I don't think this was really supposed to be Greg on the comic, but instead this guy here: http://egscomics.com/egsnp/d/20050625.html Of course those two look identical, but the difference is, that Greg can't teach magic, while the guy from the EGS NP can. Yes, Greg has power that qualifies as magic, but the comic from Nitpicking:

is no proof for that, because Greg isn't even necessarily on that page ^^

You know, you're right. It never even occurred to me that the guy in that panel might be the trainer from "Dan in the MUD". Because he shouldn't be, since that's a totally different story that has nothing to do with the EGSverse. You're right, but I think my confusion was understandable.

Free Radical wrote:I'm not sure that's the case. Any new magic they get from levelling up (or however that works) is supposed to be related to their unusual awakenings, but there doesn't seem to be any particular barrier to Greg teaching them a new technique.

They can't learn from a teacher, though, weirdly. Only wizards can learn other people's magic after they awaken. (No, I don't think it's totally consistent, but it's what Mr. Verres said.)

nitpicking wrote:They can't learn from a teacher, though, weirdly. Only wizards can learn other people's magic after they awaken. (No, I don't think it's totally consistent, but it's what Mr. Verres said.)

I suspect there's something of a loophole for that. While they can't be taught a new spell outright, I suspect a "teacher" could guide them to regular, repeated activities that would increase the likelyhood of them getting a specific kind of spell.

Raging Mouse wrote:I suspect there's something of a loophole for that. While they can't be taught a new spell outright, I suspect a "teacher" could guide them to regular, repeated activities that would increase the likelyhood of them getting a specific kind of spell.

Yeah, that'd pretty much have to be the case or Greg couldn't have taught them any magic-type things in his classes at all.

Raging Mouse wrote:I suspect there's something of a loophole for that. While they can't be taught a new spell outright, I suspect a "teacher" could guide them to regular, repeated activities that would increase the likelyhood of them getting a specific kind of spell.

Yeah, that'd pretty much have to be the case or Greg couldn't have taught them any magic-type things in his classes at all.

Again, the difficulty is semantic. If magic as said by Mr. Verres (we really need to know his first name) is the underlying power, we have problems. If he was referring to the specific field of this underlying power, we do not, as that would be separate from ASMA. Now to figure out names... the underlying power could simply be called potentia... maybe...

I suspect that you're taking that in the wrong context somehow. Dan has said that it's possible for mages to cast spells from a spellbook someone else wrote, so I can't see how that would be possible, but casting someone else's spell a different way wouldn't.

Hasn't all Greg done just trained them... I mean is ASMA really magic or is it just a martial art which just raises the trainee's potential for magical energies. I would have thought that he hasn't actually taught them any spells as such just taught them a martial art...

Aeg'air wrote:Good point... Maybe that could be explained away as a magicless illusion utilising the surroundings?

That doesn't seem to be an explanation so much as just claiming it might be possible and hoping nobody actually thinks about what you said. How exactly would this magicless illusion be produced, and why would you even suggest it when we know Justin is learning a school of martial arts specifically said to use something magic-like?

Clearly abilities like Greg's force field, Nanase's spectrum duplicates (and her Justin-like illusions) and the Tamashii Gekido are magical in nature. Whether to call them "spells" is a semantic question that Mr. Verres could probably go on about for hours.

I hold that Greg's force field is practically identical to Nioi's ability that let her save Grace from Damien's self-immolation.