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Blue Pill Conditioning and Equalism

Rational reader Playdontpay had a very poignant comment in last week’s thread:

I’ll stick with the “boner test”. Women are only playthings anyway!
Do I enjoy fucking her? After sex is she good feminine company? This is all I need to know, if shit goes sideways I’ll just get another one.

She’s only going to lie and present a fictional version of herself based on what she thinks you’re looking for anyways. Women don’t do real self improvement they just convince themselves that they already are “better” because if she can’t convince herself it will be more difficult for her to sell it to you.

She will rewrite her sexual history and “because she’s a different person now”, well, that’s the way she has always been. Stop taking them so seriously, how are you going to vet a Machiavellian liar that’s been learning game from the age of 12?

His perspective on women is exactly why I tell men to avoid marriage altogether even though I’ve had a fantastic marriage myself for over 20 years. A lot of my haters, and more than a few supporters often get hung up on this.

Most of the criticism I get for writing what I do and still maintaining a good relationship with Mrs. T comes from men who cannot wrap their heads around the very simple, accepted truths described in this approach towards women. They think there must be something more to it. They think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are. So, naturally, the easy presumption is that any self respecting woman would never put up with a Red Pill man’s outlook and approach, because they believe the blank slate lie.

If an egalitarian ideal between men and women were tenable I’d completely agree, but it isn’t. So, in order to protect their ego investments, the rationale follows that any woman who falls for a Red Pill man must, by definition, be lacking in self esteem, self respect, low quality, etc. They believe that because anything else destroys their equalist fantasy world. This stems from a much deeper, root level, ego-investment in egalitarianism and I think this is a perspective a lot of Red Pill aware men have a tough time with to say nothing of men still plugged into the Blue Pill world view.

If you’ve read me for any length of time you’ll know I’m rarely prescriptive in my writing. I’ve always been of the belief that men need to find ways to utilize Red Pill awareness of intersexual dynamics for themselves on an individual basis. However, I will say that there are certain general aspects of that awareness and how to put it into something applicable in a man’s life that seem self-evident to me. First and foremost among these generalities is that in killing your inner Beta and disabusing oneself of his Blue Pill conditioning, a man needs to understand that the foundational belief that informed and defined his Blue Pill existence is equalism. The presumption that an idealized, blank-slate egalitarian state between the sexes is both possible and desirable informs all Blue Pill beliefs that follow it.

Transitioning this early equalist ideology to a sexual strategy is a simple, deductive process for men. Little boys are raised on feminine primacy memes and the narrative of Fempowerment, all the while being conditioned to believe that, beyond some insignificant biology, boys and girls are identical beings with the same potential and proficiencies. It’s gotten to the point where this process is normalized and pushed to the backgrounds of most people’s consciousness. We’ll raise boys in feminine-primary educational standards, we’ll teach them they’re the same as girls, but we’ll also teach them they’re defective for not aligning themselves with girls, for not getting in touch with their feminine sides.

I’m fleshing this process out a bit here because unlearning this equalist’s mental point of origin is a key transition in a man’s unplugging. Often the hardest part of killing the Beta and accepting Red Pill awareness is replacing equalism with oneself as a mental point of origin. This is a hard step for most guys because it requires he shift his opinion of himself and risk being called a selfish asshole. Remember, anything that would disagree with or challenge the idea of intersexual egalitarianism will always be equated with misogyny, intolerance, tyranny, etc. Questioning the validity of equalism (however it’s applied) will always be countered with a binary extreme.

This is exactly why Playdontpay’s comment appears so outrageous and self-indulgent to anyone not Red Pill aware. HIs pragmatism will be conflated with anger.

Interghangeability

Anonymous Reader posits:

Rollo…men who cannot wrap their heads around the very simple, accepted truths you describe about your approach towards women. They think there must be something more to it.

Often because they’ve been told since they were toddlers that there is “more to it”, also known as the Blue Pill.

They think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are.

Exactly so and very important. The feminist fallacy of “interchangeable” leads to this. The mental habit some men have of projecting themselves onto others, believing “Well, I’m like this, so everyone else must be also” leads to this. It is extremely frustrating to encounter female behavior that is so obviously stupid it is like catching someone peeing in the kitchen sink.

Many betaized men will put up with bad behavior for far too long, then have a major blowout of anger and expect behavioral change. That doesn’t work with toddlers or dogs or women. Constant, low key, correction does work. Neuroplasticity points to a “why”; daily reiteration of a desired habit works better than once per week, etc.

It’s important to recognize the difference between real introspection and brooding or ruminating, too. Some women will brood over wrongs done but not connect that up with their own behavior. That’s not introspection. That’s not “failure analysis”. That’s rewiring neural pathways to perpetual resentment.

It is extremely difficult for an equalist, betaized man to accept the fact that women want and need to be dominated, because they for sure would hate and resent that. It is even worse for the churchgoing men, because the equalist chant from the conservative feminists in churches is almost always slathered with a layer of “sisterly love”.

What Anon is driving at here is my second point in Blue Pill and Red Pill men understanding the depth of their conditioning. Equalism and feminism depend on interchangeability. In order for little girls to grow up to be anything they want to be there must be an agreed upon “level playing field” from a socio-sexual point of view. This means that if little girls want to grow up to become football players and little boys want to grow up to be prima ballerinas there (at least ostensibly) must be an agreed upon equalist environment in which this can happen.

The egalitarian ideal the Blue Pill conditions us to believe is possible presumes there is a mutually agreeable state of intersexual equality. In reality this state is entirely contradictory to our evolved sexual strategies and our biological realities, but in theory, an egalitarian ideal can only exist in an environment that is deemed equal by both men and women. If such a state were possible, if evolved influences of our biological realities for both sexes were non-factors, then this state would also presume a mutual interchangeability between the sexes.

The combination of our equalist conditioning and this interchangeability is the root of much of the dysfunction we see between men and women today. Because we are taught all-is-one, because we presume we’re all the same except for the plumbing, there is also a presumption of uniformity of purpose between the sexes. Equalism is really just the religion of the Feminine Imperative, but it hides behind this feminine-primary advertising that men and women are playing by a mutually agreed upon set of rules, striving for mutually agreed (Blue Pill) goals and all in spite of our natural predilection or any competitiveness. No other social condition in the history of mankind could place women in a more socially controlling position than Hypergamy excused by equalism.

In such a state women can mandate their unilateral control over Hypergamy, but there is one downside – men expect a mutual interchangeability. Blue Pill men actually expect women to play by that mutuality of purpose. That’s the interchange. Women will still ensure that optimizing Hypergamy is the prime directive, and they’ll hide behind equalism to keep men in check and absolve themselves of the worst of their predations in doing so, but men still expect women to feel as men do. Blue Pill men believe that women can and will love them in an idealized way that runs contrary to their Hypergamous opportunism. Why? Because they were conditioned to believe, from a very early age, that interchangeability exists between men and women.

The difference between men and women’s concepts of love is a prime example of this equalist interchangeability fallacy. Men’s concept of love is rooted in idealism; love for the sake of love. This is a result of men’s outward looking idealism and existential experience being male. Women’s concept of love is rooted in opportunism. This is a result of natural solipsism and the need to optimize Hypergamy. It is intrinsic and inward looking and based on security and ensuring survival. When we introduce a condition of egalitarian equalism to men and women only one of these concepts can be the mutually correct concept. Both can exist in a natural state of complementarity between the sexes, but if all-is-one, there can only be one concept of love that decides for both sexes.

The confusion Blue Pill men have is presuming that men’s idealistic concept is the mutually accepted one. This then wars with women’s natural opportunistic concept; and by extension her intrinsic need to optimize Hypergamy. Of course, I’m under no illusion that equalism is anything more than a social utility to ensure a feminine-primary social order, but this is one illustration of how deeply conditioned equalism is what a majority of men base their intersexual understandings on.

I see this conditioning persist even amongst men I would otherwise think had a firm grasp of Red Pill awareness. As I said, they think in their preconditioned equalist mindset that women are wired for the same introspection and development that men are. They still want to hope in that Blue Pill goal of interchangeability. For all of the Red Pill and self awareness I could credit men of the MRM with, they still cling to this equalist mindset. This Blue Pill ideal of true equality between the sexes ultimately works against their best intentions since it is women who are more perfectly placed to take advantage of this ‘equality’. Once again, you will never achieve Blue Pill idealistic goals with Red Pill awareness. Most men are taught that those Blue Pill goals are worthwhile, but they are carrots proffered by the same builders of the cart who hope to get the mule to pull it.

I have read and heard the words of many otherwise brilliant, otherwise Red Pill aware men who simply cannot unlearn the falsehoods of egalitarian equalism. Nothing’s more frustrating to me than to hear a guy I have a deep respect for parrot back some meme or catchphrase of a feminine-operative social convention, or what he thinks is a funny, gender-deprecating quip that belies his ego-investment in the same equalism he just spent a book’s worth of research to debunk. I see brilliant men like Dr. Jordan Peterson, Dr. Warren Farrell or Steven Pinker, who I would hold up as guys who have a lot figured out, still rattle off the same memes I would expect to see from equalists on Facebook. I find it the height of irony that the same men who would systematically destroy the idea of the blank slate still pander to the hopes and goals of the equalists who built those goals based on a blank slate ideology.

Understanding how your prison is constructed, how it works, who your jailers are, is not the same as understanding how to escape it. It’s interesting how refined our Red Pill Lenses can become yet we still never drill down to the root beliefs that still keep us ignorantly hopeful. It’s time we embrace an ideology of true complementarity between men and women. It’s time we accept that we are not equal and in some circumstances that puts men and women at respective advantages and disadvantages based on what any challenge poses to us. It’s time we threw away the Blue Pill goals that equalism has taught us are ‘correct’ and replace them with realistic ones founded on Red Pill awareness.

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Where is GOD addressed in the midst of these socio-sexual dynamics of the “red pill reality”?

I wonder what Mr. Rollo Tommasi’s honest take on “human reality” if he actually considered *GOD* in the center of this whole world as should properly and rightfully be considered.

If Mr. Tomassi and a lot of the guys here aren’t “Christian” then I don’t expect them to understand the “red pill” human reality from the actual “Reality” of the Word of God (King James Version Holy Bible [KJV]).

Even so I still like coming here to “The Rational Male” ’cause I get to filter out a lot of what I already deep-down “instinctively-felt” and “sensed” about women and male-female relations from personal experience and intuition.

Someday, Lord-willing, I ought to “cover the material” here of the “red pill reality” as explored and expounded by Mr. Tomassi through the true Spiritual Perspective of Almighty God, Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

African muslims raiding Europe for slaves though. The novel even features a (somewhat ahistorical, the first Atlantic raid was actually on Ireland) slave raid on Cornwall. The setting is the late 1500s, before the British engaged in the Atlantic trade. History is a swirl of many currents.

It’s interesting that the Atlantic slave trade actually began as a humanitarian effort. Caribs died rather than be enslaved, so to save the Caribs the Spanish started importing slaves from Africa, where slavery was already well established and accepted as part of life.

Yah I didn’t expect dispute on what I thought were undisputed parts of the history of the last 150 years – slavery, industrial sweatshops, agricultural serfdom, monopolies and oligopolies, racism, Jim Crow, fascism in Europe.

The broad point was about Critical Theory as the examination of the effect of power on culture, law, and institutions. The Frankfurt School and postmodernists lived in a world where Jim Crow and the death camps existed. That was their perspective. They developed philosophical tools to examine how these things happened. Those tools can be applied to the world today, and if used honestly, without preconceptions, are a “red pill.”

Foucault said: “My role – and that is too emphatic a word – is to show people they are much freer than they feel, that people accept as truth, as evidence, some themes which have been built up at a certain moment in history, and that this so-called evidence can be criticized and destroyed.”

Now you can read Foucault’s reference to “some themes” as being like “blue pill conditioning.” And Rollo’s work as a criticism and destruction of false “themes” to free men. My own belief that equalism as a policy was driven in large part by the materialist (economic) desires of what Foucault calls Power. Foucault does not give a set definition of Power in any one group, but we all recognize that there are power relationships in society. Again: women buy more shit, this boosts the consumer economy, which boosts production. Giving women jobs and financial autonomy, even requiring them to work, grows the economy and has the side effect of expanding the labor pool. People and institutions – Power – gets richer

Just because some people calling themselves Critical Theorists are stuck in 1965 does not make the tools useless.

Re Arabs, they are still actively enslaving Africans today in some places. I wonder is someone wrote a book and why the Marxist media hasn’t shed much light on it?

The biggest difference between ” traditional ” slavery practiced in places other than America, is that slaves here were rendered non-people. No language or traditions were allowed to be kept and no law of protection applied. One was strictly a chattel commodity in strict segregation from broader society. After slavery officially ended, Jim Crow kicked in to continue those practices as much as possible. This is why some say slavery continued until 1965.

I’m a son of the south, and I love the south- warts and all. I’m just not referring to the warts as ” love knots “.😁

I wonder is someone wrote a book and why the Marxist media hasn’t shed much light on it?

I would think that the answer is obvious…no group in the U.S. can be leveraged who would benefit from Marxist anti-slaver advocacy for Africans. Pretty much only Christians advocate against African genocide or African slavery. Because, you know, it’s only when racism is thrown in the mix that this stuff is actually evil.

The biggest difference between ” traditional ” slavery practiced in places other than America, is that slaves here were rendered non-people. No language or traditions were allowed to be kept and no law of protection applied. One was strictly a chattel commodity in strict segregation from broader society.

Lol, Romans considered their white slaves to be chattel for many years. (After several slave revolts, the Romans decided that it might be smart to let their slaves buy their freedom.) The Roman head of house could put anybody to death who was a member of his household. Everyone living in his house was chattel to him. (And any similarity between “slav” and “slave” is purely coincidental.)

For future reference it’s best you make use of the ‘search’ feature on the sidebar before you presume there’s something I haven’t covered before in the 14 years I’ve been writing in the ‘sphere. You’re not the first Christian to resort to guilt-laden appeals to moralistic dread with regard to Red Pill truths here.

kfgIt’s interesting that the Atlantic slave trade actually began as a humanitarian effort. Caribs died rather than be enslaved, so to save the Caribs the Spanish started importing slaves from Africa, where slavery was already well established and accepted as part of life.

On the sugar islands of Nevis and St. Kitts the British found that indentured Europeans tended to die of tropical diseases pretty quickly. Word got back to England that the trip to the sugar islands was one-way. Soon it was almost impossible to get workers to the sugar islands. At that time sugar was incredibly profitable. The sugar plantation owners turned to other sources for labor, reasoning that natives of tropical Africa would not be so prone to die of disease in tropical / subtropical Caribbean islands. The rest is history.

PS: Just to throw another log onto a conspiracy fire, sugar cane was first smuggled into the Caribbean from India by Jewish merchants. Have fun!

Deselby The Frankfurt School and postmodernists lived in a world where Jim Crow and SOME death camps existed.

FIFY. As far as the Frankenfurters were concerned, the death camps of the Gulag did not exist. To this day getting lefists to even admit Solzhenitsyn was right, or that the Red Khmer were a horrible disaster is a major uphill push. Because death camps aren’t death camps when your side does it. Then they’re just “re-education centers”. Or as your Saint Karl put it in the Manifesto, “labor batallions will be formed”.

Karl Marx’s premises were false. That’s why he had to keep re-writing his works. That’s why Lenin’s philosophy always came down to Kto, Kogo: “Who, Whom“, and why the Bolshevikii’s attempt to create a New Soviet Man failed.

Feminism’s premise of equalism is false. That is why 2nd and 3rd wave feminists have to keep rewriting their various turgid manifestos, because reality isn’t cooperating.

The value of a world view in part lies in an ability to make predictions. Newtonian physics is not perfect but the laws of motion enabled accurate predictions about where a cannon ball would wind up. Equalism makes predictions that don’t happen: Title IX was supposed to just make it easier for daughters to get an MRS degree, too bad that it has been killing men’s college sports for years and now has made it possible for false rape accuations to be ludicrously simple.

Equalism in the churches leads otherwise intelligent men to try again and again and again to negotiate desire – “rub her feet! Do choreplay! More time with the children!” when all of that advice fails, the blue pill pastors just double down on the shaming.

The red pill / glasses? That stuff is testable, and men test it every day. PUA’s test it in daygame and night game. Men in LTR’s and married men test it every day in their own house, in the living room, the kitchen, the bedroom. It consistently works, works where every other modern piece of relationship advice fails.

That’s what I’m talking about. Mindset / action that works. Not pie in the sky, oh, we’ll double down on failure and it ought to work someday – be it the Marxist flavor of the month or the Feminist / equalist, fail is fail is fail.

Deselby, you follow a bunch of failures. Trying to shove Rollo’s penetrating analysis into your dusty, tired old Marxist closet just won’t work. Go troll some other site with that stuff.

@Jed
Sorry to disappoint, but Red Pill truths work regardless of your religious leanings or lack thereof. I can attest to it. I read your book and found it wanting. I read Rollo’s book and got results. Your book had the first 20 some odd years of my life to get results, his has had only a couple and gave me a set of ideas to completely turn my shit around. The guy’s got Christian leanings, but not trying to soak his books in them means he can help a wider range of men. That’s far more important at the end of the day.

I watched several live feeds of Saturday’s protests riots in Berkeley and actually caught the fist-to-face shot live. The guy pulled his punch and never made a real connection, as evidenced by her unblemished model face here. I only find this girl notable because she was model quality good looking and then contracted feminism/trans/leftism and the shift to hairy pussy porn star was so stark.

There were dozens of men who took much harder shots to the jaw in the same scrum she was in, but CBS chose to interview her for 7 minutes. Men on both sides got much worse, but only when a pretty blonde gets lightly socked is it shocking.

Captain Blood focuses on intra-national slavery (although the protagonist is Irish in origin for a bit of subtle racial tension).

The Sea Hawk focuses on Christian vs Muslim (with a soupcon of Protestant vs. Catholic given the Elizabethan setting) slavery. The protagonist earns his knighthood as a privateer against the Spanish Armada, is captured by the Spanish, then the Barbary Pirates, made a galley slave (see the issue of chattel ownership) and becomes a Muslim Barbary pirate himself.

” The galley to which our gentleman was dispatched was a vessel of fifty oars, each manned by seven men. They were seated upon a sort of staircase that followed the slope of the oar, running from the gangway in the vessel’s middle down to the shallow bulwarks.

The place allotted to Sir Oliver was that next the gangway. Here, stark naked as when he was born, he was chained to the bench, and in those chains, let us say at once, he remained, without a single moment’s intermission, for six whole months.

Between himself and the hard timbers of his seat there was naught but a flimsy and dirty sheepskin. From end to end the bench was not more than ten feet in length, whilst the distance separating it from the next one was a bare four feet. In that cramped space of ten feet by four, Sir Oliver and his six oar-mates had their miserable existence, waking and sleeping—for they slept in their chains at the oar without sufficient room in which to lie at stretch.”

To the Spanish Catholics, Protestant English were not men and did not rate Biblical law of endenture for one’s kind.

I’ll also point out, for those of an American understanding of geography, where Africa is a misty, mysterious land far away, that people swim between Spain and Africa.

You don’t. Demonstrate, don’t explicate. People in general have been trained to respond violently to challenging the equalism narrative directly. Be an example and others will eventually follow when they see your success.

The knowledge that Rollo provides, both in theory and real world applicability, is the most focused and structured red pill content out there. Religion is cool, and does not have to be mutually exclusive of the red pill, but please don’t pollute this place with ChristCuckery.

“There is not a mark on her. This can be no more than a day or two later. It’s beyond Machiavellian on her part because she’s not really working some diabolical angle. Reality has been changed by the workings of her mind. She believes her version of events unreservedly. If I’m not mistaken this is exactly how the matrix works. This is the hamster. They can all do this. It will never change.”

It’s my sons 13th birthday this month. I happen to be buying him a hamster, so he can study it very carefully.

RolloMen on both sides got much worse, but only when a pretty blonde gets lightly socked is it shocking.

Meh, bottle blonde who’s not all that pretty. She’s heading for the Wall with increasing velocity.
But of course the media interviews her, because “Don’t hit me, I’m a girl!” and so forth.

One more time for the slow learning lurkers: the video of Moldylocks shows sexual dimorphism very clearly. Women are not men with boobs. Muscle mass, bone mass alone are different.
That means men and women are not interchangeable and Equalism is a crock.

Janice Curtin, a spokeswoman for Cal State Stanislaus, said in an email to the Times on Monday that the university was not contacted by police but that Junn had received email and Twitter messages beginning Saturday.

As part of its investigation, the university’s Police Department will be in contact with Berkeley police, she said. University leadership and campus legal counsel will be assembling teams to determine how to handle the situation, Curtin said.

“University leadership and campus legal counsel will be assembling teams to determine how to handle the situation . . .”

Welcome to the Cultural Revolution, Brothers. And for reasons that escape me, they never seem to learn that the first wave of revolutionaries come from the universities, but are the first wave up against a wall should they win.

I completely agree on the importance of testosterone for men’s mental health. In fact, when a man has female levels of testosterone, he will generally be a lot MORE neurotic than the average woman. That is because he went through puberty as a man, which means he has far higher testosterone requirements for the rest of his life (eunuchs cut before puberty do not seem to experience the symptoms of low testosterone). A man who goes through puberty and later has his testosterone levels reduced to female levels, will be quite depressed as a result.

So that’s what I meant when I said you can’t draw direct comparisons. But of course the differences between the sexes are reflected, to some degree, in what men experience when you take away their testosterone. And having had low testosterone for many years, I feel like I understand women’s emotional state far better than I would have otherwise.

There was a great Atlantic article in 2011 “The Confidence Gap” written by two feminists who lay out exactly why women are chronically underachieving in the workplace (relative to educational achievement, where women are often surpassing men). Turns out that women have far lower confidence levels than men (who knew?), according to the research, which holds them back from achievement. Even women who do achieve great things, will secretly feel like they are a fraud.

This is just one example of how equalism is actually damaging to women. If a woman knows that she has naturally less confidence than a man, then she is in a better position to disregard her feelings of inadequacy. “That’s just my female emotions talking.” But for a woman who has accepted equalism totally, she may think these feelings reflect REAL inadequacy on her part.

One other thing about testosterone — not only does it enhance alpha traits, it also enhances beta traits. A man with High T is more likely to stop whining and just pull the plow harder. Appeals to his manly pride (“Man Up”) are going to work better as well. I also feel like I have a stronger emotional connection to women (of the oneitis-generating sort). Testosterone primes men for protecting and providing for women. From an evolutionary perspective, I think there are obvious advantages to this. Of course, women’s dependence on men in a wilderness environment would have overall enhanced the alpha dynamic to a far greater degree.

If feminists actually knew what testosterone did to men, they would probably demand that men have greater access to it. Taking testosterone is not the same as taking the RP.

For so called red pill men that are (((triggered))) by berkeley street theater, that is the SF bay area. There’s been a protest of the month there since the 1960s. Its a running joke. The riots in Oakland after the Raiders lost the Super Bowel were bigger than that. Its kind of beta to be obsessing over it.

Mrs. EhIntellect has been accused of being brainwashed, alcoholic, delusional, scared, abused. All this as she has and is following me further from BP tropes and conventions, away from socially acceptable marriage arrangements.

I picked up locums work. Pays much better. More importantly allows for professional, personal freedom. Cool.

Telling this to a female relative (she’s been through two husbands, roaring twenties, ‘nuff said). Me: “I’ll be out of town, taking my oldest with and the rest will see me weekends during the summer.” Auto-menopausing-often-recreated-now-virtuous relative turns to Mrs. Eh and asks, “And you’re O.K. with this??” then indignantly opens the door, says she’s heard enough and tells me to get out.

I didn’t expect different and honestly, relieved. All these relationships, deep and shallow, decades at one workplace, are predicated on BP/FI shifting sands, nothing substantial.

Glad to be out of its grip.

“It’s gotten to the point where this process is normalized and pushed to the backgrounds of most people’s consciousness. “

True enough. Disabusing my young men and kids has been the best part of my
RP journey and that’s saying a lot. Young men naturally adopt RP when given authority’s nod. Some faster than others. Curious, this. The most cultured, wealthy kids I’ve met RP choke much faster than my kids’ hoi-polloi friends. They have more to lose per se than Joe-six-pack’s kid I’d assume.

“This is a hard step for most guys because it requires he shift his opinion of himself and risk being called a selfish asshole. “

Woman to me at boutique hotel: Oh, I get you now…you’re an asshole.” Me: “Oh you! Flattery will get you nowhere. Sweet on me, no?”

True story.

“Many betaized men will put up with bad behavior for far too long, then have a major blowout of anger and expect behavioral change.”

My BP marriage in a nutshell. Oh and add she smashing me in the face, saying she wanted me dead going RP. How embarrassing…

“It is even worse for the churchgoing men, because the equalist chant from the conservative feminists in churches is almost always slathered with a layer of “sisterly love”.”

Your fulsome homily about Mary Clarke (Brenner) piqued me. Off to Wikipedia! Clearly, raised in privilege, twice married, once in Las Vegas of all places, twice divorced (who served whom both times?). Kids from both marriages.

“Clarke was banned by church rules from joining any religious order, so she went about her work on her own.”

She starts her own community, one that accepts her headship of status.

How did she get her donations? As you said, by stealing from Fr. Joe Carroll’s St. Vincent DePaul! See how the congregation giggled about her stealing from San Diego Peter to pay her OWN Paul, the Paul that helps her maintain her running as beneficent giver? Giver? Stealing status, wealth, social prominence from others? Why venerate that?

I could go on and on…

Anyhow, when benefactors reward those who benefit them the most…at the expense of others, we begin a zero sum game of manipulation, profiteering.

She did it for her, her legacy, herself. Freaking stealing, laughing, loading Fr. Joe Carroll’s donations into her automobile trunk, for her posse. Never wanting the hard work, just the reward, status. She did it before, her office supply magnate father, two husbands, why not turn the church into her yoked plow-puller…why not wash, rinse, repeat?

BTW: I’m not getting into the bizarre self-imposed prison living arrangement she put herself into either….no way…she is not a paragon of virtue there either. That is seriously messed up, not brave.

Her life was a tribute to her self-anointed feminist codswallop that has me routinely post-facto explaining to my kids, filtering these “modern-day-heroes” of the church.

His reply:

“When the priest Fr. Joe Carroll said she was “stealing” he didn’t mean that in a negative. He called her a thief as a little joke. My view is she tried to do good and went out of her way to do so.“

The thing is as a “Christian” the Word of God already makes crystal-clear the “Red Pill reality” of inter-sexual relational dynamics in this sin-cursed natural real world.

What off puts me and believers who know the Word of God is that like many men here they use all these same reasons of the “Feminine Imperative”, “female hypergamy” and “female solipsism” as sneaky, deceitful self-serving reasons to manipulate and really “use women” for the “one good treat” they have which is SEX.

Just because the natural Red Pill reality is ugly and brunt in it’s nature doesn’t give men (or women) the “okay” to *SIN* and live lives of selfish, self-serving sinful lifestyles of fornication and adultery.

There’s a good reason why God only reserves the “sexual intercourse” privilege in the *MARRIAGE* and no where else in life.

Sex is meant only for PROCREATION of humanity in the Sight of God overall all else, even over sexual intimacy between husband and wife.

I don’t respect guys who keep on “harping” or as men say “b*tching” about the deplorable condition of women in this age of Western civilization when they *STILL* take advantage of women’s only good resource they provide that men don’t have on their own which is S-E-X. Sex.

The men here at “The Rational Male” regardless of their “personal level” of “Red Pill awareness” and mindset already have the “forbidden knowledge of good and evil” concerning the hidden “reality of the world masked by the Blue Pill Illusion social conditioning of Reality.

Strictly speaking without a “woman’s sex” and a “woman’s womb” for procreation; men in the “Red Pill” reality of things would have no need for dealing with women personally as they are “inferior” to men as the “weaker vessels” in all things humanity does, men trained or not can do better than women as a rule.

Look at sports, look at buildings, look at EVERYTHING society offers usually always built and created collectively by *MEN*. Amen.

That’s why under God’s Law in His Word the first act of “sexual intercourse” between a virgin man and a virgin woman was meant as a “blood covenant” where the man breaks the “virginity seal” of a woman’s vagina hymen with his penis as the “act” that “cleaves a man and woman” together as husband and wife.

In the spiritual sense of things not only was the “proclamation” of a man and woman coming together as a “relationship” meant they were married but the natural PHYSICAL ACT of sexual intercourse of penis-in-vagina was the “physical seal” of the covenant of husband and wife in God’s Eye.

That’s why God is very displeased with the sexual lust sins of fornication and adultery because it nullifies” the reason *GOD CREATED SEX IN THE FIRST PLACE*: to bring perfect union of male and female together to produce a result: the birth of offspring of continuing generations unto God’s Glory.

That’s why the Scripture saith, a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and they twain shall be *ONE FLESH*: the sexual intercourse physical aspect is the token of that lifetime covenant between a man and woman until “death do they part” and then they are “freed” to marry once their “other half” has departed into the “Afterlife” of Heaven or Hell.

Maybe 1 day I’ll go back and re-read the bible again for like, the 10th time, because all I ever hear about is the ” Sin of Sex “. If memory serves me, there’s a whole bunch of other stuff believers aren’t supposed to do, but you never hear about those things.

Jed MaskThe thing is as a “Christian” the Word of God already makes crystal-clear the “Red Pill reality” of inter-sexual relational dynamics in this sin-cursed natural real world.

Then you are wasting your time here. Because there are thousands upon thousands of churches that are blue pill, that have the ideal inter-sexual relations should consist of men appeasing women, men serving women, men bowing down before women, men groveling under women’s feet, and so forth. You should be taking your deep knowledge to the nearest church and leading men out of their woman-worship. If you are serious.

Bro. Jed
A man can do everything by the book within his marriage and his wife can decide to just leave him for other men, or for any other reason. Society will not judge her for this and will usually let her take the kids and force you to pay her way, while she has fun living outside of your idealized marriage.

I respect your faith, but you are avoiding the issues men are dealing with here, which fall especially heavily on men who are religious. Men should at least know the huge risk they are taking… that society does not protect the interests of good family men. In my state, men can actually be forced to pay child support for kids who are not his own – and if you do not like that, then you can enjoy your ministry in prison.

I also disagree with the suggestion that this is only about sex. Feminine company is gratifying far beyond sex alone.

The thing is as a “Christian” the Word of God already makes crystal-clear the “Red Pill reality” of inter-sexual relational dynamics in this sin-cursed natural real world.

The funny thing is you think you’re actually bringing something novel to the discussion with this. This is almost verbatim what every Christian guy has ever started with when they read Red Pill truths from secular sources – “Christianity was always Red Pill, Christians did this all before this.”

I’ve written over and over about this. Christianity has been coopted and assimilated by feminism and the Feminine Imperative to the point that it’s replaced articles of faith. Beta Christian men already know this, that’s why Red Pill awareness stings for them; they were supposed to have a monopoly on all this Red Pill stuff, but their pastors and priests and Popes have sold men out to female interests in church culture and told them the Feminine Imperative is actually God’s will. They replaced God’s authority with feminism’s best interests to stay financially solvent.

Christian guys were supposed to have a lock on Red Pill truths, but then along comes TRP, PUAs and the manosphere to point out how tooled they really are and it pisses them off because they should know better. We’ve had this conversation 100 times here, at Donalgraeme’s and Dalrock’s blogs. So Jed, go read those posts I linked you before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. I don’t like to see Christian men get owned any more than you do, but if you insist on posting from a position of ignorance there’s not much I can do for you.

Jed Mask, let me put it another way. One thing that men learn from the Red Pill is this: pay attention to what women do, not what they say. This works on more than just girls.

Mother’s Day is coming up. A whole lot of churches will have some sort of to-do, a big encouraging sermon, maybe special meals. Then in June, Father’s Day happens. In a lot of churches, there will be a big “YOU MEN NEED TO SHAPE UP!” sermon.

We watch what churches do, Jed, and pay more attention to that than what churchgoers say.

I note that anti-theist Christopher Hitchens believed in the probability of a historical Jesus because women were cited as giving testimony to his rising; absolutely unthinkable without some major social influence to allow it.

I’ve been having quite a few conversations with feminists and lesbians latley and not by design more so by chance.

The conversation always comes to this subject. Women want men to believe we are all the same so men can support women and thier goals, while women remain focused on thier own goals. At the end of the day, the man thats the most dangerous to them isn’t the one confidently challenging this position. It’s the one that actually believes that garbage. He’s the one that will do something extreme to prove his worth becuae he’s tired of either being passed over or pushed over.

@Bro. Jed: You are very close to understanding. Yet I’d suggest delving further: everything flows from the first commandment. Rather, the first commandment is a restatement of right relationship with the Creator. Thus fornication – intercourse between an Israelite and non-Israelite – is to join God’s portion to what is not chosen. Likewise, adultery is an Israelite male and Israelite female colluding to foist a conception on an unsuspecting Israelite husband.

What is the first commandment? “You shall not let yourself be defrauded nor be a fraud.” That’s pretty Red Pill.

Re; Critical Theory: Anonymous Reader hit the nail squarely: application of Critical Theory is a series of syllogisms based off of untested, and usually untestable, premises. While such papers are often beautiful displays of logic (and possibly fun to compose) there really is no use for such papers outside of academics.

TRM, on the other hand, relies on anecdotal observation or empirical observation – either way is a testable premise. Plus the writing is far superior not to mention the acerbic commentary..

Moldylocks is a spitfire, at least when she’s not playing a poor, innocent young girl on television. You go gurl. She’s also got a deck of the standard shaming language flash cards, and she’s not afraid to use them:

From her Instagram modelling account. Yeah, a “model.” The chan hordes have been busy and it turns out she’s an awful lot of things, although I don’t think writer is among them. Maybe a “writer”:

“I’ve found that my body, and the character that I emit from it, is one of my most powerful mediums that I possess. Whether it be draped in expression, or be expression in itself, I love creating powerful and beautiful visuals that evoke a unique tones and messages.”

I left the pews empty quite a while ago. I really liked the concept of Church. Until I didn’t find incentive there as a male.

I had a delightful Catholic upbringing. I don’t remember one bad thing about it (except for being lectured to, the verba non acta.) After hearing one too many lectures in my profession, I came to resent being lectured to when I actually didn’t need a lesson.

I’m wondering what EhIntellect and Rollo have to say about their actual participation in the Church. How does that work, beyond community alliances?

Rollo never gives details on his participation, but I think he actually goes to church. I have too much respect for him to ask him about his participation.

What about you Eh? What do you think about your participation these days. I still think the community of Church depends on what they can do for you now in return for what you can give them.

It’s a general question. I don’t have needs. I remember fond days in college when the goals of the mass were actually aligned with the participants.

I spent a lot of time in church(es) in my youth. I was being groomed to be part of the next generation of Deacons. I really loved a good sermon, but I never, ever cared for any of the pomp and circumstance stuff.

I was called a ” heathen ” on many occasions by some of the sweet old churchladies because of my style of dress and choice of haircut ( giant afro…hey, it was the 60’s. Don’t judge..lol ), and the hypocrisy left a nasty, bitter taste in my mouth.

I studied the bible on my own and briefly considered becoming a reverend to minister to a younger crowd that was turned off by the stuffiness associated with ” church “. The disillusionment was far too strong. Much like SJF stated, I too didn’t need to be lectured to.

My relationship with the ” higher power ” is secure, strong and private. Occasionally I will pop into a church/cathedral or mosque when I want to. I have friends and relatives that are preachers/ministers/pastors/priests/Imams.

“Christian guys were supposed to have a lock on Red Pill truths, but then along comes TRP, PUAs and the manosphere to point out how tooled they really are and it pisses them off because they should know better. We’ve had this conversation 100 times here, at Donalgraeme’s and Dalrock’s blogs. So Jed, go read those posts I linked you before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. I don’t like to see Christian men get owned any more than you do, but if you insist on posting from a position of ignorance there’s not much I can do for you.”

I have always been impressed by the lyrics of a song by The Tragically Hip. It’s called Wheat Kings.

For context about what the song is is actually about:

This song is about David Milgaard, a Canadian man who served 23 years in prison for a crime he did not commit.

Milgaard was convicted of raping and murdering a woman named Gail Miller when he was 16 and sentenced to life in prison. It was a travesty of justice, as the case against him was built on flimsy evidence.

Milgaard’s family believed he was innocent and fought for him while he was in jail. His aunt contacted the Tragically Hip and when she told them about the case, the band helped them get signatures for a petition to help reopen the case and raise funds for his defense.

Milgaard’s case was overturned and he was released on April 16, 1992, prompting the band to write “Wheat Kings.”

Here’s the lyrics:

Sundown in the Paris of the prairies Wheat Kings have all their treasures buried
And all you hear are the rusty breezes pushing
Around the weather vane Jesus
In his Zippo lighter, he sees the killer’s face maybe
It’s someone standing in a killer’s place twenty years for nothing, well that’s
Nothing new, besides, no one’s interested in something you didn’t do
Wheat kings and pretty things, let’s just see what the morning brings
There’s a dreamy dream where the high school is dead and stark it’s a museum
And we’re all locked up in it after dark where the walls
Are lined all yellow, grey and sinister hung
With pictures of our parents’ prime ministers wheat kings and pretty things
Wait and see what tomorrow brings
Late breaking story on the CBC, a nation whispers,
“We always knew that he’d go free” they add, “you can’t be fond of living in
The past, ’cause if you are then there’s no way that you’re gonna last”
Wheat kings and pretty things
Let’s just see what tomorrow brings
Wheat kings and pretty things
Oh, that’s what tomorrow brings

A couple things here:

“Besides, no one’s interested in something you didn’t do.” Has to be one of the more profound red pill lyric I have ever come across and has been a thing i have seen as something I would say to to Blue Pill guy over the last decade. No one’s interested in what you didn’t do buddy, when some one has a Blue Pill attitude.

Secondly, “let’s see what tomorrow will do” is also something profound. I can’t tell you how many times “what does this mean for the future, doctor?” comes up in dealing with patients. The patient’s expectations must be tempered in what will happen at three month intervals in regards to their condition. The same as outcome independence in game. You Have No Fucking Crystal Ball in regards to Outcome. Take it as it will lay. Execute and take it as the ball lies. Don’t worry about the last golf shot. Pay attention to the next hit.

Let’s see what tomorrow brings.

And then there is the pushing around the “weather vane Jesus” motif. That’s a sight to see.

And I’ve had it on good authority (me, observing) that when some churchian uses lot of quotes as in “….” and lots of stars *…* that is code for believe me because “I am a chruchian”. and I don’t really actually believe in my churchian things, but I want you to believe them. That is a tell. That I have *observed* in real life. It’s a thing among them.

I could go on about everything I’ve been going through lately but it would take too long.

I am barely keeping my head above water. I don’t want to feel like the only tool I have is a hammer, so everything starts looking like a nail, but….

…it really all does seem traceable to TRP. I wouldn’t even be in the situation I’m in now if I wasn’t acting out of Blue Pill impulses, which include low self-esteem, lack of independence, fear, co-dependence, etc. I feel like I’m living in a nightmare.

Hope it’s true what they say about it being darkest before dawn. Good to see everyone still active here, been keeping up with all the new articles even though I haven’t been posting. Good stuff as always. The journey continues…

Started writing down my own goal list and 20 minutes into it I’m already feeling better.

TRP has been taking years to seep into my mind and grow roots.

Part of the extreme anxiety and fear I feel are simply imagining who I would be if I let go of my Blue Pill conditioning. It’s simultaneously gut wrenching and exciting.

Rollo’s articles are easy to read passively. But when you really sit with them and absorb how they’re speaking directly about YOU and YOUR CONDITIONING: it’s like a bomb went off. The more RP aware I become, and the more self-aware of my own Blue Pill conditioning I become, the more I’m stunned and shocked every time I finish reading one of Rollo’s articles.

My life is literally on the line here. Through the RP lens I can see my life going in one direction, and through the BP lens, another. Everyday actions add up.

One of the main benefits I get from TRM now is simply realizing how much of a ruse the Blue Pill is.

And how much of my time and energy I waste living in a Blue Pill reality when I could be building my empire. Between eating well and working out, working on my mental/emotional health (overcoming my panic disorder/depression/etc. and not getting bogged down by them), and my obsession with mastering at least two skills — and I mean my goal is world-class mastery — I’ve got more than enough on my plate.

It’s a *ruse*. Blue Pill is a time waster. Worrying what women think and catering to their needs and wants and desires and focusing on them as a central part of your life is a fucking TRAGEDY. A waste of a man’s life that could be spent doing so much more.

Time wasted not enjoying my life and not building a foundation today for a better, bigger tomorrow is time I will never have back. Very sobering to remember that.

The White men among us should come to terms with how there’s something about Euopean civilizations that inclines them towards putting women on a higher status until culminating in a feminist movement. Women have long held a peculiar position within the Europe. This can be seen from the significantly higher amount of European women who ruled in their own names and sexes (as opposed to Dowagers or taking a masculine title), directed troops, all without being a mythological character ala Mulan. This is also the case for the enforcement of monogamy.

This is something that eludes the likes of both Richard Spencer brand White Nationalists and those out to save the West.

“This is a hard step for most guys because it requires he shift his opinion of himself and risk being called a selfish asshole.”

Lately I’ve been openly telling people, especially women, that I take being called an asshole a compliment. The funny part is most times they have no response and I walk away or shift the conversation to another topic.

I grossly underestimated the deeply embedded blue pill thinking within me. Unplugging is taking longer than I thought, but frequent encouragement from others who tell me to have lower hurdles helps. One step at a time, walk before you run and don’t mess with dynamite.

@softekRollo’s articles are easy to read passively. But when you really sit with them and absorb how they’re speaking directly about YOU and YOUR CONDITIONING: it’s like a bomb went off.

I get where you’re coming from. I’m currently re-reading best of year series (year 3 now). Sometimes pondering a single paragraph does wonders. I find as an ex-BP’er articles re-reading the articles will turn up a detail or two relevant to my actual situation right now. When that happens it’s like an oh shit moment.

Now you’ve switched the goalpost to “employment”. Employment is watching people on the day to day. That would be a good reference for behavior pattern. By contrast, the job interview process (your example) isn’t.

There is an old saying, “If I’m trying to sell you something, you can wear whatever you want. If you’re trying to sell me something, put on a fucking tie.”

The interviewee is trying to obtain employment in this situation (hint: that’s the seller), the interviewer is the “buyer” in this scenario. It’s not the place the seller is going to answer a lot of genuinely introspective personal questions about his/herself.

“Yeah, it just needs a better argument. lol Miller is easy to take down.”

Yeah, but in my book religion is a belief system. And Ideology. And I’d be more inclined to Churchianism if I had a need or was catered to more properly (in regards to tribal benefits). The belief system and ideology are not the same as the Church experience.

My point was I liked my church as a by product of my school system (grade school, high school, and college). And I don’t have cognitive dissonance about participating or participation in church affairs. I don’t need to resolve the logic.

The movie ‘Castaway’ was a bit of a flop and message of the main character’s one-itis being his savior was nauseating, but there was one line that I carry with me because it encapsulates my belief in abundance and outcome independence…

“And I know what I have to do now. I gotta keep breathing because tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?”

For me, “religion” is the human component and “faith” is the system of metaphysical beliefs. I do Sunday School because I have friends there and studiously avoid church.

Funny thing…in the days of the apostles, churches met in private homes among the greeks, assuming that the jewish Christians met in the Temple or in synagogues…attendance in each church would have been much lower and there would have been more socializing.

You can find references to greek house churches scattered among the epistles.

Equality in any relationship is possible only when there is equal and reciprocal acceptance of individual responsibility. Those who do not accept responsibility are never trusted or respected to the same extent as those who do. The nature of individual responsibility is specifically defined by the real constitution of each individual. Each individual’s constitution establishes the abilities and limitations of the specific individual. One cannot be held responsible for something that is impossible for one to control. The limitations and abilities are established by “the universe” whether they are physiological, biological, or “innate”. Equality is a subjective perception of objective phenomena. No two people are the same and will never exist or perform equally, universally in all circumstances. Conflating equality with sameness only serves to obscure the truth. Because of this fact, the only possible achievable “equality” is one of equal respect. If either party to any relationship is unable or unwilling to individually and personally accept and apply these truths, then “equality” cannot exist. The acceptance of responsibility is universally considered noble, irresponsibility ignoble. Those who are unwilling or unable to accept their individual responsibility are by comparison inferior, weak, and unworthy of respect at best. Unequal acceptance of responsibility defines and establishes real inequality. The unwillingness to accept responsibility (when able to) is in fact an act of cowardice. No amount of lies, scam artistry, blackmail, bribery, extortion, fraud, or desecration will change this reality. This truth is inescapable in all social dynamics whether they are economic or sexual. The most prevalent self-evident and blatant display of the failure to accept responsibility in relationships is typically manifested by blaming and shaming the other party. Preemptive and demonstrative claims against another party, proactively made, prior to any real engagement with the other party, only serve to reveal the extreme ignoble and inferior nature of individuals making such claims.