Isn't it disgusting to know that there are many politicians who are actually eager for these events to occur so they can push their policies?

The President was holding back tears in his press conference. He is obviously very upset by what happened. I am sure it suits your fantasies that Obama secretly dreams about children being murdered so he can try to push some anti-gun agenda that he doesn't really have.

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Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities
that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a
"personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as
"odd” and displaying characteristics associated with
obsessive-compulsive disorder...</tt></tt>

"To a statist, everything not under control is out of control." - Aaron Zelman

Originally Posted By Marshmellow:So the Facebook replies from Ryan, the first suspected shooter were real? And he did not know what his brother had done?

Is there any word who the person in the woods in camo was that they arrested?

I bet it was whichever brother that wasnt inside because he said "I am not the shooter."
Id bet he planned all this 'massacre' stuff out with his brother like columbine then bailed on the plan once it came time to pull triggers or the police showed up.

Originally Posted By ErikO:What's the bet that rather than explore Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs we will hear more about gun restrictions?

'Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs'?

What we ought to hear about are NCLB era Special Education programs that allow obvious miscreants to skate through the system with accommodative preference due to questionable diagnoses like 'autism' (right up there with AD/HD and bipolar in the general BS level), instead of getting them in the criminal justice system where they belong.

The spirit of self-satisfaction is the infallible mark of the inferior mind. Fyodor Mikhailevich Dostoevsky

Isn't it disgusting to know that there are many politicians who are actually eager for these events to occur so they can push their policies?

The President was holding back tears in his press conference. He is obviously very upset by what happened. I am sure it suits your fantasies that Obama secretly dreams about children being murdered so he can try to push some anti-gun agenda that he doesn't really have.

Did you MISS his statement committing to an Assault Weapons Ban IN THE DEBATES?

Yeah, he DOES have an anti-gun agenda. The only people who deny his own words are those that are lying FOR him.

Isn't it disgusting to know that there are many politicians who are actually eager for these events to occur so they can push their policies?

The President was holding back tears in his press conference. He is obviously very upset by what happened. I am sure it suits your fantasies that Obama secretly dreams about children being murdered so he can try to push some anti-gun agenda that he doesn't really have.

You may want to read what happened on Page 41, the parts in Red in particular. There are other threads available for religion/politics and asshattery.

"Al-taqiyya" means that no non-Muslim can believe anything told to them by any Muslim.

'The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits.' Plutarch

Isn't it disgusting to know that there are many politicians who are actually eager for these events to occur so they can push their policies?

The President was holding back tears in his press conference. He is obviously very upset by what happened. I am sure it suits your fantasies that Obama secretly dreams about children being murdered so he can try to push some anti-gun agenda that he doesn't really have.

The POTUS has been on the record as a gun control advocate in the days before he was actively in politics. Its established fact.

Now, anyone with a shred of decency can have significant empathy for the people directly involved in this. However, I don't pay politicians to empathize. I pay them to cold-bloodily analyze the data and come to conclusions, to be turned into policy. Politics as group therapy writ large is a bad idea.

"I claim we got a hell of a beating. We got run out of Burma and it is as humiliating as hell. I think we ought to find out what caused it, go back and re-take it."GEN Joseph Stilwell

Originally Posted By Xlr8torZ28:this is a horrible tragedy...
I am eager to hear why this kid wanted to kill his mom and if he was mentally ill or something. At least in the reports I have been reading, none of them have stated "assault weapon"...
I wish they would get over the whole gun control crap and let teachers start carrying in schools.

you cannot do what he did and NOT be.

I dunno, man. Some people are just plain ol' EVIL...

I suppose "evil" would fall under "or something.
but F'd up to be sure

Originally Posted By BushBoar:
We need to have a serious conversation in this country about mental health.[

Yep...I don't know how, either.

Nor I.

Because whatever we do, needs to fit within constitutional parameters.

We need better healthcare for mental illness, recognition of it as a true disease. The stigma needs to be done away with so that people can seek treatment without feeling shunned. People need to encourage people to seek treatment.

I have a cousin with Aspergers. He would hurt small animals, masturbate in class(spec ed), and had to be locked in his room at night so he would turn he stove gas on. Chased his sister with knives, beat up his little brother. If Rain Man was evil.

I only wish that people had the means to prevent or stop this type of evil when it is upon us.

I lived in Connecticut for years. They have the assault weapon ban, as does nearby New York. Very tight gun control in both states. Where there is a will, there is a way. Gun laws merely prevent law abiding people from protecting themselves and people around them.

This type of evil is why I have carried for as long as I can remember.

I expect this to be more common place as the stresses in our society manifest in those unable to handle the pace / stress of modern day life. When we have a crappy economy...the chances of this happening increase dramatically. I expect more and more of these events to occur sadly. No gun law will prevent this from happening.

The only thing that will prevent events like this from happening is people becoming fed up, and putting an end to these themselves.

How sad it is that our schools and other areas that are "gun free" have become shooting attractions for evil people with captive victims.

<tt><tt>Ryan Lanza, 24, brother of gunman Adam Lanza, 20, tells authorities that his younger brother is autistic, or has Asperger syndrome and a "personality disorder.” Neighbors described the younger man to ABC as "odd” and displaying characteristics associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder...</tt></tt>

Lots of people with that disorder in this world. How do you keep them from exacting violence on others?

Originally Posted By ErikO:What's the bet that rather than explore Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs we will hear more about gun restrictions?

'Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs'?

What we ought to hear about are NCLB era Special Education programs that allow obvious miscreants to skate through the system with accommodative preference due to questionable diagnoses like 'autism' (right up there with AD/HD and bipolar in the general BS level), instead of getting them in the criminal justice system where they belong.

not wanting to derail the thread, but how the fuck are autism, AD/HD, and bipolar BS disorders?

Originally Posted By BushBoar:We need to have a serious conversation in this country about mental health.[

Yep...I don't know how, either.

Nor I.

Because whatever we do, needs to fit within constitutional parameters.

Some widespread skepticism of the concept of medication as the fix to every behavioral problem, and some due diligence by parents instead of blindly agreeing to drugging their kids would be a really good start.

Isn't it disgusting to know that there are many politicians who are actually eager for these events to occur so they can push their policies?

The President was holding back tears in his press conference. He is obviously very upset by what happened. I am sure it suits your fantasies that Obama secretly dreams about children being murdered so he can try to push some anti-gun agenda that he doesn't really have.

You think that lying piece of shit can't fake some tears when he wants to push an agenda?

Originally Posted By ErikO:What's the bet that rather than explore Reagan-era under or non-funded mental health programs we will hear more about gun restrictions?

This...what a fucking disaster.

In 1990, I had a psychiatrist tell me that the Reagan mental health cuts would blow up in our face. I didn't realize how right that guy was until the movie mass shooting, and this.

Just had a long discussion with a nurse about this. It's terribly expensive to treat mental patients to modern standards. Back in the day they'd just medicate them until they were Zombies and check on them daily.

Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the bitch that bore him is in heat again.-Bertold Brecht

Originally Posted By imq707s:Damn....why is it so hard for the media to report facts, and not just something to entertain people until the real facts are discovered. The media coverage of this tragic event is disgusting !!

I agree, but the media is just feeding the public what it wants.

Yeah, we SAY we don't want up-to-the-second information, but in reality...more often than not, we do. That's precisely why we now have a 24/7 news cycle.

Given that dynamic, much of the preliminary info we see is going to be false. It's the price we pay for wanting to know everything now, now, now.