Troops help drug, people smugglers and will be shot, says leader of armed patrol in Douglas.

DOUGLAS - Rhetoric along the Mexican border here is rising, with a heavily armed group of residents declaring war on the Mexican military, and the mayor thinks chances are rising that someone will get hurt.

"The next time a Mexican soldier sets foot on the small chunk of border property owned by a Ranch Rescue member group, members plan to open fire, their leader said.

"Two in the chest and one in the head," warned Jack Foote, president of Ranch Rescue, a civilian group that patrols in search of illegal immigrants and drug smugglers. He said his group is protecting the rights of property owners. "

Idiot! He has threatened members of a foreign military. The next time one of them turns up dead at or near the border, guess who's going to get arrested. Idiot!

"Armed foreign military on his "ranch." A foreign military doing an illegal incursion into the United States and threatening his life and property. Hmmmmm...he may have probable cause. "

Nope. The courts aren't going to see it that way. He's announcing in advance that he's planning to shoot a member of a foreign military. If I remember right, the actual border is not all that clearly marked there. He's blowing hard, of course, and is unlikely to actually carry out his threat. If he does, he may not even survive to face trial.

"This isn't a game," Borane said. "That's the thing that has always worried me, that these people would cause an international incident and not only hinder relations with Mexico, but that they'd make this area become a hotbed for other organizations like that."

If the governtment and law enforcement had been doing their job there would be no "these people" to be worried about.

"This isn't a game," Borane said. "That's the thing that has always worried me, that these people would cause an international incident and not only hinder relations with Mexico, but that they'd make this area become a hotbed for other organizations like that."

Strange, isn't it, that THEIR crossing the border doesn't cause an international incident or hinder relations with the US. It's only our response to their invasion that might cause an international incident or hinder relations.

What's wrong with this picture?

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posted on 02/14/2004 11:32:48 AM PST
by JoeFromSidney
(All political power grows from the barrel of a gun. -- Mao Zedong. That's why the 2nd Amendment.)

This week's discovery of 160 illegals jammed into one home in Phoenix didn't help either. When Ranch Rescue first made the news, Arizonans saw them as irrelevant hotheads. With every stash house and every carjacking, support for this movement is growing.

I suppose it would pass as a posse. Their first project is to provide security for the school bus stops in the rural areas.

I expect additional duties will follow, particularly in the Naco Corridor. As of 31 January, illegal alien traffic was up 114% over the same time last year. I also expect the Mexican government to scream like a stuck pig if Sheriff Dever starts handing out badges...

You wouldn't be one of those fat balding sissy conservatives who had too much to do when it came time to serve in the military, but now spends his time watching war movies while practicing your Patton speeches? I hope not.

Hey there, doesn't national policy welcome anything ILLEGAL into this country while turning a blind eye? Surely you are not suggesting that the government actually respond to an illegal incursion of this country by a foreign military force? We wouldn't want to upset the fox, would we?

You wouldn't be one of those fat balding sissy conservatives who had too much to do when it came time to serve in the military, but now spends his time watching war movies while practicing your Patton speeches? I hope not.

We have a military. We have law enforcement agencies. Theirs is the responsibility to defend our borders, not a bunch of trigger-happy "patriots."

Those of us who live here in Cochise County wish that it would work that way. Unfortunately, it doesn't. Our sheriff has only 75 deputies to handle a county the size of the state of Connecticutt. The few hundred Border Patrol agents are trying to control very rough country 24 hours a day. The terrain is against them -- lots of man-high scrub and a maze of dry washes that makes their job similar to trench warfare.

They managed to catch about 180,000 here last year, but they privately estimate that 500,000 to 700,000 got past them. That's just for 80 miles of border.

The Border Patrol will not see any reinforcements in manpower or equipment. Dubya's FY 2005 budget proposal cuts their funding by $130 million.

As far as Jack Foote getting arrested -- he would be only one of several hundred suspects and the authorities know it.

Foreign incursion on American soil needs meeting with strong medicine. You, Mineral Mouse, are the idiot. If you love the Mexican invasion so much, put the invaders up on your soil or are you merely a tennant?

Locked-up thread. I guess someone has a problem with you guys defending yourselfs in Cochise County. I feel that the citizens of your county have every right and should be able to use any means you feel fit to defend yourselfs against this invasion. If the Federal government had done its job, this problem would not exist.

You want our borders defended? Send a letter to Bush. He's in charge of the military.

LOL! You did mean that to be funny, right? I believe at least a few Americans have already contacted the White House in regard to defending our borders. But no response has been issued by the President on the subject thus far.

The guy is an idiot. First, for telling people that he's going to shoot Mexican soldiers if they come on his property. Second, for believing that if he does so, he'll go unpunished. You want our borders defended? Send a letter to Bush. He's in charge of the military.

Why do we have foreign military units regularly tresspassing on peoples property for the purpose of enforcing a group of drug smugglers? Bush isnt doing anything about it. That doesnt mean people dont have a right to defend themselves. This guy is trying to call attention to the problem before it gets further out of control. For that you call him stupid.

Meanwhile if you were in their shoes you would just run away and abandon your home right? Otherwise you have to be at the mercy of a foreign military that can come on your property at anytime they wish.

When can a citizen defend himself? When a group of armed thugs tresspasses on the property? When the thugs have surrounded you and are pointing their guns at your head? Do you have to wait till they pull the trigger first?

Give them license to do as they will aside from shooting at you and eventually they wont have to shoot at you. Your right to self-defense will become a moot point.

Idiot! He has threatened members of a foreign military. The next time one of them turns up dead at or near the border, guess who's going to get arrested. Idiot!

In an earlier period of American history, you could've said basically the same thing about another group of patriots. That idiot George Washington! What the hell did he think he was doing? Didn't he know that he could've been arrested for being in charge of a ragtag militia group that was killing British soldiers? That idiot!

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