Is going to college necessary to land programming/developing jobs or can getting certificates cut it? Wondering if going to school is worth it.

Just learn a language and learn it well. When you go into an interview for a job using a particular language and set of tools - if you show you are competent and can talk about the tools/language, their pros/cons, and show solid problem solving skills... the degree doesn't matter at all. Experience is a big factor for programming jobs. I've interviewed folks with CS degrees and resumes that looked amazing, who were dumb asses in the interview who obviously bullshitted on their resume. A couple of the smartest programmers i've ever worked with were self-taught guys with no CS degree who just loved programming and had an aptitude for it. Why would a guy who knows say, C++, inside and out, go spend 4 years of their life and tons of money taking classes that they could themselves be teaching?

Pretty much. Inflation had been persistant and high. To fight that, interest rates were raised to as high as 20%. The cost was higher unemployment which hit 10% but as the rate of inflation declined, stocks rose and the price of gold fell. Lasted 20 years.

and what are the odds helicopter ben and company are going to raise rates as much as Volker did?
do we want the 80's/90's or do we want japan?

Samuel 810 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king.11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use.17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

If inflation takes off due to all the stimulus they have tried to put out there (with very limited successs in my opinion), they won't be able to pull it back fast enough by selling off all the assets they have purchased so yes, I would expect them to try to raise interest rates in an attempt to slow things down again. I do think we are quite aways from that happening at this time though. As inflation rises, interest rates will also rise on their own. Bernanke said he does not want another term as Fed Chairman (the current one ends in 2014) so he will not likely be in charge when that hits. Question will be if whoever is in charge would be willing to take the hit on unemployment as a tradeoff for taming inflation like Volker did.

"Every great new thought was opposed. Every great new invention was denounced. The first motor was considered foolish. The airplane was considered impossible. The power loom was considered vicious. Anesthesia was considered sinful. But the men of unborrowed vision went ahead. They fought, they suffered and they paid. But they won."

If inflation takes off due to all the stimulus they have tried to put out there (with very limited successs in my opinion), they won't be able to pull it back fast enough by selling off all the assets they have purchased so yes, I would expect them to try to raise interest rates in an attempt to slow things down again. I do think we are quite aways from that happening at this time though. As inflation rises, interest rates will also rise on their own. Bernanke said he does not want another term as Fed Chairman (the current one ends in 2014) so he will not likely be in charge when that hits. Question will be if whoever is in charge would be willing to take the hit on unemployment as a tradeoff for taming inflation like Volker did.

you must be sitting on a solid flow of government stimulus, because the people I know are hurting and are feeling the squeeze now... I don't see how the system endures anymore.

Samuel 810 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king.11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use.17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

Just learn a language and learn it well. When you go into an interview for a job using a particular language and set of tools - if you show you are competent and can talk about the tools/language, their pros/cons, and show solid problem solving skills... the degree doesn't matter at all. Experience is a big factor for programming jobs. I've interviewed folks with CS degrees and resumes that looked amazing, who were dumb asses in the interview who obviously bullshitted on their resume. A couple of the smartest programmers i've ever worked with were self-taught guys with no CS degree who just loved programming and had an aptitude for it. Why would a guy who knows say, C++, inside and out, go spend 4 years of their life and tons of money taking classes that they could themselves be teaching?

Indeed. It's ridiculous how much people lie on resumes sometimes, I barely even read it anymore. It's all about the interview. When it comes to programming, know your shit, and get the job.

In larger companies the degree may help you get an interview, though. I don't know about other small companies, but in mine I pretty much interview anyone who applies.

It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.

how do you also see Ben getting out before the brakes need to be applied?

Samuel 810 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king.11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use.17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

Indeed. It's ridiculous how much people lie on resumes sometimes, I barely even read it anymore. It's all about the interview. When it comes to programming, know your shit, and get the job.

In larger companies the degree may help you get an interview, though. I don't know about other small companies, but in mine I pretty much interview anyone who applies.

it always kinda pissed me off that employers never asked to see proof of my degrees and certs...
the other person applying could lie about being a PhD with an MCSE and get the job.
Con artist could be great interviewers, while brainiacs could be horrible interviewers.

Samuel 810 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king.11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use.17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

His term is up January 31st, 2014 which is actually just over a year from now (14 months). I expect the economy to still be limping along at that time and not into overdrive with soaring inflation.

our perception of the real price increases due to monetary inflation is what must be different.
I make a good bit of money for this area... at least enough that someone could live comfortable. I am a specialist in a few esoteric fields.
well, that used to be true... about 6 years ago things started to get tighter, but nothing to be alarmed about. 3 years ago, all frills were cut back to almost nil just to make the bills.. same assets, same amount of bills. the only thing that has changed is the cost of everything I buy.
and now, I have to go to my boss and ask for more money, just so I am not taking a huge pay decrease.
this is why money creation is theft, and its immoral.

Samuel 810 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king.11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants.15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants.16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use.17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves.18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

But none of this is relevant, as long as their is no free market. Gold is not even a store of value, more of an insurance policy now. Since people livelihoods and savings are at the whim and mercy of those with guns who obey those with fiat money. I have no idea what faux dollar commidity will be worth tomorrow. But I know gold will always be worth something. They didn't confiscate confederate dollars in 1933, they confiscated gold. Central banks don't hold Argentinian Reals, they hold tons of gold. Russian rubles aren't leased, gold is.

But none of this is relevant, as long as their is no free market. Gold is not even a store of value, more of an insurance policy now. Since people livelihoods and savings are at the whim and mercy of those with guns who obey those with fiat money. I have no idea what faux dollar commidity will be worth tomorrow. But I know gold will always be worth something. They didn't confiscate confederate dollars in 1933, they confiscated gold. Central banks don't hold Argentinian Reals, they hold tons of gold. Russian rubles aren't leased, gold is.

I was trying to make the point that arbitrarily picking dates can skew the results. Something lost with Zippyjuan, but no surprise.

Except as to the rule of apportionment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

Unless you are EXTREMELY precise in your line of future work (say, hellbent on being a General Practioner, MD), stay out. Go make some money and aquire skills and resources.

Do not go to University/College unless you really know what you want. If you do not know what you want, stay out (for now).

As someone who is attending his second year in college, I strongly urge you to follow Seraphim's advise. Strongly.

Graduate high school. Get a decent job (not talking $50k, but something to get you a little extra cash). Get together with some friends and see the country/world. Last thing you want is to waste a couple semesters studying stuff you don't care about, only to change your major and have to start all over again.

Unfortunately, and this was the case for me, pretty much all high schools pressure students to go to college after graduating. I imagine it's all part of the bubble.

Except as to the rule of apportionment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

I hear someone who held onto a dollar bill in 1970, can buy a hell of a lot less today.

I've heard the same thing rumored in the past, I wonder if there's anything to it?

Come to think of it, a candy bar was exactly five cents back in 1964. I remember, I was there, and bought them for a nickel myself. So a paper dollar in 1964 would buy 20 candy bars. I also heard that if someone made change for a paper dollar in 1964 and got half dollars, quarters or dimes instead, and kept those alongside a paper dollar of the same date, in 2012 that paper dollar would be worth less than one candy bar, while the coins that made up a dollar would be worth around $25 in paper bills (and climbing) -- or more than twenty candy bars!

Gee, the value of the coins, and not for any collectors value, actually increased a bit since 1964. Go figure.

You don't really have "your" social security funds (and neither do "they"). There is no "trust fund" where the money you pay in is kept safe and invested until you are elgible to collect on it. Taxes taken in this year pay expenses for this year.

But none of this is relevant, as long as their is no free market. Gold is not even a store of value, more of an insurance policy now. Since people livelihoods and savings are at the whim and mercy of those with guns who obey those with fiat money. I have no idea what faux dollar commidity will be worth tomorrow. But I know gold will always be worth something. They didn't confiscate confederate dollars in 1933, they confiscated gold. Central banks don't hold Argentinian Reals, they hold tons of gold. Russian rubles aren't leased, gold is.

What do you mean? Gold is worth roughly what it always has been. It's the dollar that's changed in value relative to gold. By traditional definitions of "money", gold is a store of value.

Originally Posted by Ron Paul

The government is incapable of doing what it's supposed to do. A job like the provision of security is something best left to private institutions.

"All eyes are opened, or opening to the rights of man, let the annual return of this day(July 4th), forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them."Thomas JeffersonJune 1826

Is this the fake Ron Paul forums? Seems an awful lot of statist and anti-austrians on here. Ron Paul is foremost an economics guy. Yet, we still have people not understanding the dollar collapse. So to answer every question in this thread.

1. If Volker didn't raise interest rates to 20%, gold at 800 would have been a steal in 1980.
What happens if they try this again with the current debt? Do the math on that one, and you will find they can't do it again. That's how you know that this isn't a 1980 repeat.

a)Ron Paul bought gold when it was 40 dollars per ounce. He understood that governments debase currency. It's what statist do.

2) The student loans should have never been issued. The government has no business backing them. In a free market you take a chance by loaning people money, therefore you are careful about it. Banks aren't careful because they are bailed out. They control the government, and have eliminated bankruptcy.

Students should pull an iceland and default. In a free-market nobody in their right minds would give a loan to an 18 year old for a political science degree. You don't loan money at all without some sort of collateral. and the collateal can't be "The government will torture and steal from someone for me". You make the loan. You suffer the consequences.
Should taxpayers pay for this? LOL When has the answer to that question ever been no? It's always yes. Taxpayers Shouldn't be paying for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, moronic wars, Publc Broadcasting. Public schools etc...........................
The collapse should be welcomed by tax slaves.

Is this the fake Ron Paul forums? Seems an awful lot of statist and anti-austrians on here. Ron Paul is foremost an economics guy. Yet, we still have people not understanding the dollar collapse. So to answer every question in this thread.

1. If Volker didn't raise interest rates to 20%, gold at 800 would have been a steal in 1980.
What happens if they try this again with the current debt? Do the math on that one, and you will find they can't do it again. That's how you know that this isn't a 1980 repeat.

a)Ron Paul bought gold when it was 40 dollars per ounce. He understood that governments debase currency. It's what statist do.

2) The student loans should have never been issued. The government has no business backing them. In a free market you take a chance by loaning people money, therefore you are careful about it. Banks aren't careful because they are bailed out. They control the government, and have eliminated bankruptcy.

Students should pull an iceland and default. In a free-market nobody in their right minds would give a loan to an 18 year old for a political science degree. You don't loan money at all without some sort of collateral. and the collateal can't be "The government will torture and steal from someone for me". You make the loan. You suffer the consequences.
Should taxpayers pay for this? LOL When has the answer to that question ever been no? It's always yes. Taxpayers Shouldn't be paying for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, moronic wars, Publc Broadcasting. Public schools etc...........................
The collapse should be welcomed by tax slaves.

You put it better than I have when this subject comes up. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Ron Paul

The government is incapable of doing what it's supposed to do. A job like the provision of security is something best left to private institutions.

I'd like to add that taxpayers are already paying for all this. It isn't in the form of taxes directly, but the cost of college education exceeds inflation because of the all the loans. You can't afford to send your kid to college..........so you have to get these loans..............which increases the price.............so others have to get loans. It's a disgusting cycle like the housing boom. College shouldn't cost anywhere near what it does.
And what does ron paul call this? An inflation tax. See how I added Ron Paul in there. It should be required that you reference Ron Paul in every post.

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