Liverpool are understood to have increased their offer for Saints captain Adam Lallana to £25m.

The Reds had lodged an initial £20m bid shortly after the end of the season, and have now upped that as they try to strike a deal before the World Cup.

Liverpool have already agreed a fee with Saints for Rickie Lambert, who is set to have a medical tomorrow ahead of his proposed transfer to Anfield.

They had issued Saints with an ultimatum over that deal, saying it had to be sorted before England left for their pre-World Cup training camp in Miami.

Feeling that it could do more harm than good to deny Lambert a dream move to the club he supports, they reluctantly agreed to allow it to proceed.

That was despite chairman Ralph Krueger stating during the week that all transfer dealings were on hold until a replacement was found for Mauricio Pochettino, who walked out to join Tottenham last Tuesday.

Now, perhaps unsurprisingly, Liverpool are attempting to use the same tactic with Lallana, who starred in England's 3-0 World Cup warm up win over Peru at Wembley last night.

The Reds are understood to be saying this is a final offer and that, if a deal is not completed quickly, they will move on to other targets.

Comments

Jan28th1984
10:46am Sat 31 May 14

ADSFC72 wrote…

I have read through most of these and there are a couple of points to make. If the club were asset stripping, they why did they agree to redevelope the training facilities. Now, there have been stories about it being twice the original budget, but they have still continued to fund a £30M project, if they wanted to asset strip, then they would not have done this in the first place. There has also been a lot in the media about financial fair play, for which we are not immune, we are led to believe that we have to pay somewhere in the region of £20M in unpaid transfer fees this year, so like any good business you need to self fund. Let's not kid ourselves, do you really expect the Leiber family to keep chucking money into a club with no return or would you expect them to keep us as a well run financial unit and control our debts, as we all know where we were five years ago when we didn't. The players have all had a good season and yes their heads would have been turned, RL is understandable, by Lallana cannot stop bids coming in for him, neither has he asked for a transfer yet and nor has anyone else, the media is trying to sell our players and not the club.

The club is developing the training facilities to a fantastic degree in order to grow and develop an army of talented players so we can flog em all off to other clubs and make loads of money while the other clubs win things with the players we grew.

We get lots of money and the other clubs get lots of trophies - everyone's a winner! Yay!

[quote][p][bold]ADSFC72[/bold] wrote:
I have read through most of these and there are a couple of points to make. If the club were asset stripping, they why did they agree to redevelope the training facilities. Now, there have been stories about it being twice the original budget, but they have still continued to fund a £30M project, if they wanted to asset strip, then they would not have done this in the first place. There has also been a lot in the media about financial fair play, for which we are not immune, we are led to believe that we have to pay somewhere in the region of £20M in unpaid transfer fees this year, so like any good business you need to self fund. Let's not kid ourselves, do you really expect the Leiber family to keep chucking money into a club with no return or would you expect them to keep us as a well run financial unit and control our debts, as we all know where we were five years ago when we didn't. The players have all had a good season and yes their heads would have been turned, RL is understandable, by Lallana cannot stop bids coming in for him, neither has he asked for a transfer yet and nor has anyone else, the media is trying to sell our players and not the club.[/p][/quote]The club is developing the training facilities to a fantastic degree in order to grow and develop an army of talented players so we can flog em all off to other clubs and make loads of money while the other clubs win things with the players we grew.
We get lots of money and the other clubs get lots of trophies - everyone's a winner! Yay!Jan28th1984

ADSFC72 wrote…

I have read through most of these and there are a couple of points to make. If the club were asset stripping, they why did they agree to redevelope the training facilities. Now, there have been stories about it being twice the original budget, but they have still continued to fund a £30M project, if they wanted to asset strip, then they would not have done this in the first place. There has also been a lot in the media about financial fair play, for which we are not immune, we are led to believe that we have to pay somewhere in the region of £20M in unpaid transfer fees this year, so like any good business you need to self fund. Let's not kid ourselves, do you really expect the Leiber family to keep chucking money into a club with no return or would you expect them to keep us as a well run financial unit and control our debts, as we all know where we were five years ago when we didn't. The players have all had a good season and yes their heads would have been turned, RL is understandable, by Lallana cannot stop bids coming in for him, neither has he asked for a transfer yet and nor has anyone else, the media is trying to sell our players and not the club.

The club is developing the training facilities to a fantastic degree in order to grow and develop an army of talented players so we can flog em all off to other clubs and make loads of money while the other clubs win things with the players we grew.

We get lots of money and the other clubs get lots of trophies - everyone's a winner! Yay!

Score: 1

historyless scum
3:22pm Sat 31 May 14

Let Ralphie do his thing, now stop moaning & show so Holliday👇

Let Ralphie do his thing, now stop moaning & show so Holliday👇historyless scum

Let Ralphie do his thing, now stop moaning & show so Holliday👇

Score: 3

InCortesewetrust
11:54pm Fri 30 May 14

hedge end bob wrote…

Hold out for more , now it looks like they got one part of the double act the second part will cost us a percentage. If he must be sold lets make them pay two clubs for him.

Bristol rovers get 25% too

[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote:
Hold out for more , now it looks like they got one part of the double act the second part will cost us a percentage. If he must be sold lets make them pay two clubs for him.[/p][/quote]Bristol rovers get 25% tooInCortesewetrust

hedge end bob wrote…

Hold out for more , now it looks like they got one part of the double act the second part will cost us a percentage. If he must be sold lets make them pay two clubs for him.

Bristol rovers get 25% too

Score: 6

Littleton-Saint
12:11am Sat 31 May 14

I'd like the Daily Echo to give fans the vote on how well they think our current Board is performing!! In my opinion, our Board is wrecking our club. They should all resign and KL should sell the club to a new owner who actually cares about Saints. Selling all of our players at knock-downs is not acting in the best interest of the club.

I'd like the Daily Echo to give fans the vote on how well they think our current Board is performing!! In my opinion, our Board is wrecking our club. They should all resign and KL should sell the club to a new owner who actually cares about Saints. Selling all of our players at knock-downs is not acting in the best interest of the club.Littleton-Saint

I'd like the Daily Echo to give fans the vote on how well they think our current Board is performing!! In my opinion, our Board is wrecking our club. They should all resign and KL should sell the club to a new owner who actually cares about Saints. Selling all of our players at knock-downs is not acting in the best interest of the club.

Score: 9

The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
5:05am Sat 31 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

SPOT ON.

Bumped into some Liverpooool scum last night (not by choice). When they give SFC an ultimatum or any Saints Fan - WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE IS.

Thrown away a Double Figure Prem Goalscorer for 4 million and we have a 15 million Striker with a handful of goals (+SRL assist) on our books.

SACK THE BOARD. COYR

[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON.
Bumped into some Liverpooool scum last night (not by choice). When they give SFC an ultimatum or any Saints Fan - WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE IS.
Thrown away a Double Figure Prem Goalscorer for 4 million and we have a 15 million Striker with a handful of goals (+SRL assist) on our books.
SACK THE BOARD. COYRThe Rise of The Foot Soldier.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

SPOT ON.

Bumped into some Liverpooool scum last night (not by choice). When they give SFC an ultimatum or any Saints Fan - WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE IS.

Thrown away a Double Figure Prem Goalscorer for 4 million and we have a 15 million Striker with a handful of goals (+SRL assist) on our books.

SACK THE BOARD. COYR

Score: 7

Harold K Steptoe
11:47pm Fri 30 May 14

If Wanyama was 12m and Osvaldo 15m then we shouldn't take less than 35m for him. He wants to go so they'll pay it.

If Wanyama was 12m and Osvaldo 15m then we shouldn't take less than 35m for him. He wants to go so they'll pay it.Harold K Steptoe

If Wanyama was 12m and Osvaldo 15m then we shouldn't take less than 35m for him. He wants to go so they'll pay it.

Score: 27

J7junctionseven
11:07am Sat 31 May 14

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz

That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.

Not really. It's in the can't be bothered to explain my self all over again to a self opinionated tw@t like you when you can read what I'd already posted to another person category.
No do me a favour and go bore someone else zzzzzzzzzzz

[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.[/p][/quote]He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.
Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?[/p][/quote]I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.[/p][/quote]See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.[/p][/quote]Not really. It's in the can't be bothered to explain my self all over again to a self opinionated tw@t like you when you can read what I'd already posted to another person category.
No do me a favour and go bore someone else zzzzzzzzzzzJ7junctionseven

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz

That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.

Not really. It's in the can't be bothered to explain my self all over again to a self opinionated tw@t like you when you can read what I'd already posted to another person category.
No do me a favour and go bore someone else zzzzzzzzzzz

Score: 1

[deleted]
11:42pm Fri 30 May 14

[deleted]

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.Seedhouse the Unrepentant

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Score: 44

Seedhouse the Unrepentant
3:22pm Sat 31 May 14

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Those of you pinning your hopes for the future of our club on Ralph and Les....are you really really sure? Are you?

Well, who else should we rely on then smartypants?

Blimey, tad childish there Osprey. I see you didn't answer my question though.

[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Those of you pinning your hopes for the future of our club on Ralph and Les....are you really really sure? Are you?[/p][/quote]Well, who else should we rely on then smartypants?[/p][/quote]Blimey, tad childish there Osprey. I see you didn't answer my question though.Seedhouse the Unrepentant

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Those of you pinning your hopes for the future of our club on Ralph and Les....are you really really sure? Are you?

Well, who else should we rely on then smartypants?

Blimey, tad childish there Osprey. I see you didn't answer my question though.

Score: 4

montecristosaint
12:39am Sat 31 May 14

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.montecristosaint

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

Score: 12

deepheat
7:50pm Sat 31 May 14

Christian Gross is now second favourite to be our next manager. - Laugh Out Feckin Loud - . Manager of Swiss side Young Boys and was sacked at the end of April 2012 after a run of poor results. He hasn't worked since. Please RK just tell us it's not him. I accept we are not going to be playing pretty football next season so do the decent thing and get David Moyes in now to steady the ship.

Christian Gross is now second favourite to be our next manager. - Laugh Out Feckin Loud - . Manager of Swiss side Young Boys and was sacked at the end of April 2012 after a run of poor results. He hasn't worked since. Please RK just tell us it's not him. I accept we are not going to be playing pretty football next season so do the decent thing and get David Moyes in now to steady the ship.deepheat

Christian Gross is now second favourite to be our next manager. - Laugh Out Feckin Loud - . Manager of Swiss side Young Boys and was sacked at the end of April 2012 after a run of poor results. He hasn't worked since. Please RK just tell us it's not him. I accept we are not going to be playing pretty football next season so do the decent thing and get David Moyes in now to steady the ship.

Score: 2

Seedhouse the Unrepentant
2:51pm Sat 31 May 14

Costa Baz wrote…

@ Seedhouse (having problems with the quote function).
You clearly said, when replying to my post "I guess" and "maybe", when offering up a reason for MP and NC's departure.

This is the crux of everything. Everyone is guessing, assuming or fabricating things, and some are then stating them as fact. We don't know the facts.
I have been saying, since MP resigned, that I would judge the board on how the summer pans out, with regards to expenditure and transfers in and out, and will continue to do so.

But one thing I believe to be fact, is that NC was offered the opportunity to carry on the good work, but declined.
If it was due to a "bad financial situation", then could it be that he was, in part, the cause of that situation, by structuring a massive repayment of transfer fees, for next season (£22m?) and by overspending £15m on the training facilities?
Could that be the reason for "maybe", MP deciding to leave because of the above £37m not being available for new players?
I don't know, and am not as business savvy as you or others, on here, but maybe?

I agree that the board are greener than grass and are not looking too great, but, unlike Cortese, they have not been given the chance to cut their teeth in Division 1, where mistakes were missed or easily covered up, simply through lack of media interest.

Had NC stayed on, instead of resigning, none of your list of errors, made by Krueger, would have happened.

You have mentioned, in the past, that your neighbour is a now ex employee of SFC, with whom you had several conversations, and, as a result of these chats, you have intimated that MP would have stayed, had the board met his transfer needs.
Has he not confirmed this to you, asvthevreason for their leaving, or is he unable to owing to contractual issues?
Or could it be that MP was always going to leave, following NC's departure in January, irrespective of what the board did or said?

I said 'I guess' and 'maybe' because they are not known facts. My list of the comments and events are known facts.

Structuring payments for transfers over time is common practice. If we'd have paid all in one go it would still have the same effect on the balance sheet but would have made cash-flow far worse.

I have no idea why the training ground escalated from £15m to £30m - because the club have yet to explain that. Our FD at that time is now our CEO so as the bloke in charge of the beans he might like to explain what the hell happened.

Cortese had the chance to cut his teeth in Div1 because that is where we were at that time. You don't appoint the same people at different stages of the business cycle. Given the position of Saints in the Prem, the massive difference in revenues and the fact we were bound to face a challenge to retain manager and players are you really happy Ralph was a good appointment?

My son is out front playing with Jesus's kids and he is wandering around. I have not spoken to him since he resigned but I will collar him shortly. He had said they would stay provided the club was to retain the players and push on - he might have been barefaced lying to me but I don't believe he was.

[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote:
@ Seedhouse (having problems with the quote function).
You clearly said, when replying to my post "I guess" and "maybe", when offering up a reason for MP and NC's departure.
This is the crux of everything. Everyone is guessing, assuming or fabricating things, and some are then stating them as fact. We don't know the facts.
I have been saying, since MP resigned, that I would judge the board on how the summer pans out, with regards to expenditure and transfers in and out, and will continue to do so.
But one thing I believe to be fact, is that NC was offered the opportunity to carry on the good work, but declined.
If it was due to a "bad financial situation", then could it be that he was, in part, the cause of that situation, by structuring a massive repayment of transfer fees, for next season (£22m?) and by overspending £15m on the training facilities?
Could that be the reason for "maybe", MP deciding to leave because of the above £37m not being available for new players?
I don't know, and am not as business savvy as you or others, on here, but maybe?
I agree that the board are greener than grass and are not looking too great, but, unlike Cortese, they have not been given the chance to cut their teeth in Division 1, where mistakes were missed or easily covered up, simply through lack of media interest.
Had NC stayed on, instead of resigning, none of your list of errors, made by Krueger, would have happened.
You have mentioned, in the past, that your neighbour is a now ex employee of SFC, with whom you had several conversations, and, as a result of these chats, you have intimated that MP would have stayed, had the board met his transfer needs.
Has he not confirmed this to you, asvthevreason for their leaving, or is he unable to owing to contractual issues?
Or could it be that MP was always going to leave, following NC's departure in January, irrespective of what the board did or said?[/p][/quote]I said 'I guess' and 'maybe' because they are not known facts. My list of the comments and events are known facts.
Structuring payments for transfers over time is common practice. If we'd have paid all in one go it would still have the same effect on the balance sheet but would have made cash-flow far worse.
I have no idea why the training ground escalated from £15m to £30m - because the club have yet to explain that. Our FD at that time is now our CEO so as the bloke in charge of the beans he might like to explain what the hell happened.
Cortese had the chance to cut his teeth in Div1 because that is where we were at that time. You don't appoint the same people at different stages of the business cycle. Given the position of Saints in the Prem, the massive difference in revenues and the fact we were bound to face a challenge to retain manager and players are you really happy Ralph was a good appointment?
My son is out front playing with Jesus's kids and he is wandering around. I have not spoken to him since he resigned but I will collar him shortly. He had said they would stay provided the club was to retain the players and push on - he might have been barefaced lying to me but I don't believe he was.Seedhouse the Unrepentant

Costa Baz wrote…

@ Seedhouse (having problems with the quote function).
You clearly said, when replying to my post "I guess" and "maybe", when offering up a reason for MP and NC's departure.

This is the crux of everything. Everyone is guessing, assuming or fabricating things, and some are then stating them as fact. We don't know the facts.
I have been saying, since MP resigned, that I would judge the board on how the summer pans out, with regards to expenditure and transfers in and out, and will continue to do so.

But one thing I believe to be fact, is that NC was offered the opportunity to carry on the good work, but declined.
If it was due to a "bad financial situation", then could it be that he was, in part, the cause of that situation, by structuring a massive repayment of transfer fees, for next season (£22m?) and by overspending £15m on the training facilities?
Could that be the reason for "maybe", MP deciding to leave because of the above £37m not being available for new players?
I don't know, and am not as business savvy as you or others, on here, but maybe?

I agree that the board are greener than grass and are not looking too great, but, unlike Cortese, they have not been given the chance to cut their teeth in Division 1, where mistakes were missed or easily covered up, simply through lack of media interest.

Had NC stayed on, instead of resigning, none of your list of errors, made by Krueger, would have happened.

You have mentioned, in the past, that your neighbour is a now ex employee of SFC, with whom you had several conversations, and, as a result of these chats, you have intimated that MP would have stayed, had the board met his transfer needs.
Has he not confirmed this to you, asvthevreason for their leaving, or is he unable to owing to contractual issues?
Or could it be that MP was always going to leave, following NC's departure in January, irrespective of what the board did or said?

I said 'I guess' and 'maybe' because they are not known facts. My list of the comments and events are known facts.

Structuring payments for transfers over time is common practice. If we'd have paid all in one go it would still have the same effect on the balance sheet but would have made cash-flow far worse.

I have no idea why the training ground escalated from £15m to £30m - because the club have yet to explain that. Our FD at that time is now our CEO so as the bloke in charge of the beans he might like to explain what the hell happened.

Cortese had the chance to cut his teeth in Div1 because that is where we were at that time. You don't appoint the same people at different stages of the business cycle. Given the position of Saints in the Prem, the massive difference in revenues and the fact we were bound to face a challenge to retain manager and players are you really happy Ralph was a good appointment?

My son is out front playing with Jesus's kids and he is wandering around. I have not spoken to him since he resigned but I will collar him shortly. He had said they would stay provided the club was to retain the players and push on - he might have been barefaced lying to me but I don't believe he was.

Score: 1

aldermoorboy
7:49am Sat 31 May 14

We want players that want to be here, we will have a great season what ever

We want players that want to be here, we will have a great season what everaldermoorboy

We want players that want to be here, we will have a great season what ever

Score: 1

el caballo santos101
12:38am Sat 31 May 14

InCortesewetrust wrote…

hedge end bob wrote…

Hold out for more , now it looks like they got one part of the double act the second part will cost us a percentage. If he must be sold lets make them pay two clubs for him.

Bristol rovers get 25% too

Bristol rover don't get anything of any lalla deal and get 10% of the rickie deal. allmouth get 25% of any lalla deal, and we haven't sold him (yet).

[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote:
Hold out for more , now it looks like they got one part of the double act the second part will cost us a percentage. If he must be sold lets make them pay two clubs for him.[/p][/quote]Bristol rovers get 25% too[/p][/quote]Bristol rover don't get anything of any lalla deal and get 10% of the rickie deal. allmouth get 25% of any lalla deal, and we haven't sold him (yet).el caballo santos101

InCortesewetrust wrote…

hedge end bob wrote…

Hold out for more , now it looks like they got one part of the double act the second part will cost us a percentage. If he must be sold lets make them pay two clubs for him.

Bristol rovers get 25% too

Bristol rover don't get anything of any lalla deal and get 10% of the rickie deal. allmouth get 25% of any lalla deal, and we haven't sold him (yet).

Score: -3

Toxteth Red
9:47am Sat 31 May 14

BarnetSaint wrote…

Our team is about to be asset stripped and the board are unwilling and incapable of preventing this.
Cortese was single minded and did not respect our history and tradition, BUT I really do believe he would have been more than a match for Levy and driven a hard deal over Pooch. He would also have told the vultures where to go, any player leaving would be on our terms and if people naively think we can simply reinvest to replace what we're about to lose, I'm afraid they're very wrong.

The delay over a new, decent manager coming in is because of the uncertainty over who will be left. Nothing personal Ralph, but you sound both arrogant and naive. That's quite a feat.
If I'm wrong I'll post an apology on here.

You're right he didn't respect your history and tradition of being a selling club.
At least now it's getting put right .

[quote][p][bold]BarnetSaint[/bold] wrote:
Our team is about to be asset stripped and the board are unwilling and incapable of preventing this.
Cortese was single minded and did not respect our history and tradition, BUT I really do believe he would have been more than a match for Levy and driven a hard deal over Pooch. He would also have told the vultures where to go, any player leaving would be on our terms and if people naively think we can simply reinvest to replace what we're about to lose, I'm afraid they're very wrong.
The delay over a new, decent manager coming in is because of the uncertainty over who will be left. Nothing personal Ralph, but you sound both arrogant and naive. That's quite a feat.
If I'm wrong I'll post an apology on here.[/p][/quote]You're right he didn't respect your history and tradition of being a selling club.
At least now it's getting put right .Toxteth Red

BarnetSaint wrote…

Our team is about to be asset stripped and the board are unwilling and incapable of preventing this.
Cortese was single minded and did not respect our history and tradition, BUT I really do believe he would have been more than a match for Levy and driven a hard deal over Pooch. He would also have told the vultures where to go, any player leaving would be on our terms and if people naively think we can simply reinvest to replace what we're about to lose, I'm afraid they're very wrong.

The delay over a new, decent manager coming in is because of the uncertainty over who will be left. Nothing personal Ralph, but you sound both arrogant and naive. That's quite a feat.
If I'm wrong I'll post an apology on here.

You're right he didn't respect your history and tradition of being a selling club.
At least now it's getting put right .

Score: -1

Arberlour
12:00am Sat 31 May 14

Understood by whom?

Understood by whom?Arberlour

Understood by whom?

Score: -8

swesaint
12:09am Sat 31 May 14

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.swesaint

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

Score: 18

chapellady
12:18am Sat 31 May 14

With the Lambert business it makes me feel that the top clubs are in a cartel to stop Saints getting too much a threat. Wouldn't surprise me that they will pay £4 million for Lambert and never play him. He has been essential for us but they don't need him and its just damaging us and not improving them. I was at Wembley tonight and seeing Adam all pally with Sturridge and the others did make me feel jealous that they had all turned his head. Don't let him go for less than £30 million and tell them to do one.

With the Lambert business it makes me feel that the top clubs are in a cartel to stop Saints getting too much a threat. Wouldn't surprise me that they will pay £4 million for Lambert and never play him. He has been essential for us but they don't need him and its just damaging us and not improving them. I was at Wembley tonight and seeing Adam all pally with Sturridge and the others did make me feel jealous that they had all turned his head. Don't let him go for less than £30 million and tell them to do one.chapellady

With the Lambert business it makes me feel that the top clubs are in a cartel to stop Saints getting too much a threat. Wouldn't surprise me that they will pay £4 million for Lambert and never play him. He has been essential for us but they don't need him and its just damaging us and not improving them. I was at Wembley tonight and seeing Adam all pally with Sturridge and the others did make me feel jealous that they had all turned his head. Don't let him go for less than £30 million and tell them to do one.

Score: 16

el caballo santos101
1:14am Sat 31 May 14

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

Shareholder wrote…

Let's hang on a minute! No one's been sold yet. £5m + for Lambert looks good business for a 32 year old with maybe 2 seasons at this level left. And even if Pochettino stayed I guess he wouldn't have started Lambert every game next season. And Lallana hasn't gone - Liverpool may well have offered more, who says the club or even the player have accepted? I really don't see why some people want to down the Board so readily. It's rejected Liverpool once so why shouldn't they again? The papers, Echo included, are in a feeding frenzy with us. Let's have some faith and react when something happens, not when the media tell us to jump!

With Lambert on his way, what striker options are we left with? Not much with J Rod injured for the start of the season.

What negotiating power have we now handed to the clubs that we will be targeting for a new striker. We will be forced to pay over the odds as we have no option but to buy and everybody will know it..

Selling Lambert NOW is not good business.

Everyone new we wanted a striker anyway, its been clear for everyone to see all season!

I'm with shareholder on this one, everyone seems to think that we have sold all our players already, we haven't and might not. I think people need to calm down a bit and wait to see what happens. If we haven't sold lalla by Sunday he wont be sold until after the world cup, thats if he is sold.
I'm as gutted as anyone that SRL has gone but I don't think its that bad a deal. I haven't and wont allow the press to dictate how I feel, if others want to its down to them.

[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote:
Let's hang on a minute! No one's been sold yet. £5m + for Lambert looks good business for a 32 year old with maybe 2 seasons at this level left. And even if Pochettino stayed I guess he wouldn't have started Lambert every game next season. And Lallana hasn't gone - Liverpool may well have offered more, who says the club or even the player have accepted? I really don't see why some people want to down the Board so readily. It's rejected Liverpool once so why shouldn't they again? The papers, Echo included, are in a feeding frenzy with us. Let's have some faith and react when something happens, not when the media tell us to jump![/p][/quote]With Lambert on his way, what striker options are we left with? Not much with J Rod injured for the start of the season.
What negotiating power have we now handed to the clubs that we will be targeting for a new striker. We will be forced to pay over the odds as we have no option but to buy and everybody will know it..
Selling Lambert NOW is not good business.[/p][/quote]Everyone new we wanted a striker anyway, its been clear for everyone to see all season!
I'm with shareholder on this one, everyone seems to think that we have sold all our players already, we haven't and might not. I think people need to calm down a bit and wait to see what happens. If we haven't sold lalla by Sunday he wont be sold until after the world cup, thats if he is sold.
I'm as gutted as anyone that SRL has gone but I don't think its that bad a deal. I haven't and wont allow the press to dictate how I feel, if others want to its down to them.el caballo santos101

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

Shareholder wrote…

Let's hang on a minute! No one's been sold yet. £5m + for Lambert looks good business for a 32 year old with maybe 2 seasons at this level left. And even if Pochettino stayed I guess he wouldn't have started Lambert every game next season. And Lallana hasn't gone - Liverpool may well have offered more, who says the club or even the player have accepted? I really don't see why some people want to down the Board so readily. It's rejected Liverpool once so why shouldn't they again? The papers, Echo included, are in a feeding frenzy with us. Let's have some faith and react when something happens, not when the media tell us to jump!

With Lambert on his way, what striker options are we left with? Not much with J Rod injured for the start of the season.

What negotiating power have we now handed to the clubs that we will be targeting for a new striker. We will be forced to pay over the odds as we have no option but to buy and everybody will know it..

Selling Lambert NOW is not good business.

Everyone new we wanted a striker anyway, its been clear for everyone to see all season!

I'm with shareholder on this one, everyone seems to think that we have sold all our players already, we haven't and might not. I think people need to calm down a bit and wait to see what happens. If we haven't sold lalla by Sunday he wont be sold until after the world cup, thats if he is sold.
I'm as gutted as anyone that SRL has gone but I don't think its that bad a deal. I haven't and wont allow the press to dictate how I feel, if others want to its down to them.

Score: 8

Saintly Sam
11:44pm Fri 30 May 14

Not bad for a down payment, then the other £25 million at a later date.
Perhaps Liverpool. Arsenal and Manure might like to develop some talent of their own, instead of just getting out the cheque book and raiding us when we get a decent team together. .

Not bad for a down payment, then the other £25 million at a later date.
Perhaps Liverpool. Arsenal and Manure might like to develop some talent of their own, instead of just getting out the cheque book and raiding us when we get a decent team together. .Saintly Sam

Not bad for a down payment, then the other £25 million at a later date.
Perhaps Liverpool. Arsenal and Manure might like to develop some talent of their own, instead of just getting out the cheque book and raiding us when we get a decent team together. .

Score: 75

SnapperSaint
11:44pm Fri 30 May 14

Just hold your nerve Mr Krueger if Lallana is going to follow Rickie to Liverpool, then make damned sure you get £30+ million because he's worth it!!!

Just hold your nerve Mr Krueger if Lallana is going to follow Rickie to Liverpool, then make damned sure you get £30+ million because he's worth it!!!SnapperSaint

Just hold your nerve Mr Krueger if Lallana is going to follow Rickie to Liverpool, then make damned sure you get £30+ million because he's worth it!!!

Score: 44

hedge end bob
11:46pm Fri 30 May 14

Hold out for more , now it looks like they got one part of the double act the second part will cost us a percentage. If he must be sold lets make them pay two clubs for him.

Hold out for more , now it looks like they got one part of the double act the second part will cost us a percentage. If he must be sold lets make them pay two clubs for him.hedge end bob

Hold out for more , now it looks like they got one part of the double act the second part will cost us a percentage. If he must be sold lets make them pay two clubs for him.

Score: 13

Positively4thStreet
11:50pm Fri 30 May 14

Nicola would've just told'em to do one.Can't believe what's happening.
Getting fed up with it now..going to bed.

Nicola would've just told'em to do one.Can't believe what's happening.
Getting fed up with it now..going to bed.Positively4thStreet

Nicola would've just told'em to do one.Can't believe what's happening.
Getting fed up with it now..going to bed.

Score: 25

el caballo santos101
11:52pm Fri 30 May 14

fine if they don't want to do a deal after hes gone to Miami the deals off. we are Southampton we don't get pushed around by diverpool, SRL was a one off because of his connection with the club, so unless everton come in with £40mill they can all do one.
there you go ralph its easy!!

fine if they don't want to do a deal after hes gone to Miami the deals off. we are Southampton we don't get pushed around by diverpool, SRL was a one off because of his connection with the club, so unless everton come in with £40mill they can all do one.
there you go ralph its easy!!el caballo santos101

fine if they don't want to do a deal after hes gone to Miami the deals off. we are Southampton we don't get pushed around by diverpool, SRL was a one off because of his connection with the club, so unless everton come in with £40mill they can all do one.
there you go ralph its easy!!

Score: 19

Littleton-Saint
11:53pm Fri 30 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.Littleton-Saint

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

Score: 26

Saint in Pennsylvania
11:57pm Fri 30 May 14

You can just hear the so called Board panicking over this one. Clueless.... This deal will be agreed tomorrow.

You can just hear the so called Board panicking over this one. Clueless.... This deal will be agreed tomorrow.Saint in Pennsylvania

You can just hear the so called Board panicking over this one. Clueless.... This deal will be agreed tomorrow.

Score: 8

Shareholder
12:46am Sat 31 May 14

Let's hang on a minute! No one's been sold yet. £5m + for Lambert looks good business for a 32 year old with maybe 2 seasons at this level left. And even if Pochettino stayed I guess he wouldn't have started Lambert every game next season. And Lallana hasn't gone - Liverpool may well have offered more, who says the club or even the player have accepted? I really don't see why some people want to down the Board so readily. It's rejected Liverpool once so why shouldn't they again? The papers, Echo included, are in a feeding frenzy with us. Let's have some faith and react when something happens, not when the media tell us to jump!

Let's hang on a minute! No one's been sold yet. £5m + for Lambert looks good business for a 32 year old with maybe 2 seasons at this level left. And even if Pochettino stayed I guess he wouldn't have started Lambert every game next season. And Lallana hasn't gone - Liverpool may well have offered more, who says the club or even the player have accepted? I really don't see why some people want to down the Board so readily. It's rejected Liverpool once so why shouldn't they again? The papers, Echo included, are in a feeding frenzy with us. Let's have some faith and react when something happens, not when the media tell us to jump!Shareholder

Let's hang on a minute! No one's been sold yet. £5m + for Lambert looks good business for a 32 year old with maybe 2 seasons at this level left. And even if Pochettino stayed I guess he wouldn't have started Lambert every game next season. And Lallana hasn't gone - Liverpool may well have offered more, who says the club or even the player have accepted? I really don't see why some people want to down the Board so readily. It's rejected Liverpool once so why shouldn't they again? The papers, Echo included, are in a feeding frenzy with us. Let's have some faith and react when something happens, not when the media tell us to jump!

Score: 16

footballfan123
12:17am Sat 31 May 14

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.

[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.footballfan123

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.

Score: 26

footballfan123
11:59pm Fri 30 May 14

This is all very worrying. What top manager is going to come to a club that is selling all its top players!!?
New manager wanted at Southampton.
All the best players will be sold.
We still have ambitions to get into Europe though.
All the players want to leave due to lack of ambition.
Come and manage our club

This is all very worrying. What top manager is going to come to a club that is selling all its top players!!?
New manager wanted at Southampton.
All the best players will be sold.
We still have ambitions to get into Europe though.
All the players want to leave due to lack of ambition.
Come and manage our clubfootballfan123

This is all very worrying. What top manager is going to come to a club that is selling all its top players!!?
New manager wanted at Southampton.
All the best players will be sold.
We still have ambitions to get into Europe though.
All the players want to leave due to lack of ambition.
Come and manage our club

Score: 27

footballfan123
12:01am Sat 31 May 14

Don't think any good manager will come to a club selling all its best players as doing this sends out the message that we are not ambitious. We will end up with some manager who does not mind selling all these players. In which case they are probably no good! Come on Saints sort it out!

Don't think any good manager will come to a club selling all its best players as doing this sends out the message that we are not ambitious. We will end up with some manager who does not mind selling all these players. In which case they are probably no good! Come on Saints sort it out!footballfan123

Don't think any good manager will come to a club selling all its best players as doing this sends out the message that we are not ambitious. We will end up with some manager who does not mind selling all these players. In which case they are probably no good! Come on Saints sort it out!

Score: 11

Mosin85
12:04am Sat 31 May 14

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

im ashamed to say it but i think you might just be right here, i know we support the club not the players but you have to remember its also the players that make the club just the same as it is with fans,, no heart in football its just a business and every one in it are playing for one thing and one thing only and thats money.

[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]im ashamed to say it but i think you might just be right here, i know we support the club not the players but you have to remember its also the players that make the club just the same as it is with fans,, no heart in football its just a business and every one in it are playing for one thing and one thing only and thats money.Mosin85

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

im ashamed to say it but i think you might just be right here, i know we support the club not the players but you have to remember its also the players that make the club just the same as it is with fans,, no heart in football its just a business and every one in it are playing for one thing and one thing only and thats money.

Score: 10

InCortesewetrust
12:05am Sat 31 May 14

This new bored makes Rupert look like father Christmas

This new bored makes Rupert look like father ChristmasInCortesewetrust

This new bored makes Rupert look like father Christmas

Score: 14

saints1998
12:06am Sat 31 May 14

Bye bye Lallana

Bye bye Lallanasaints1998

Bye bye Lallana

Score: -7

TGodSFC
12:21am Sat 31 May 14

No deal let them find someone else, don't be held to ransom.

No deal let them find someone else, don't be held to ransom.TGodSFC

No deal let them find someone else, don't be held to ransom.

Score: 26

swesaint
12:22am Sat 31 May 14

footballfan123 wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.

Ok but what makes you think we are selling 5 players, and would we not get replacements in?

[quote][p][bold]footballfan123[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.[/p][/quote]Ok but what makes you think we are selling 5 players, and would we not get replacements in?swesaint

footballfan123 wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.

Ok but what makes you think we are selling 5 players, and would we not get replacements in?

Score: 1

footballfan123
12:31am Sat 31 May 14

swesaint wrote…

footballfan123 wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.

Ok but what makes you think we are selling 5 players, and would we not get replacements in?

Well, we might get replacements in but who will want to come knowing that we have no ambitions for success and selling our best players? It will be difficult to replace top quality players like Lallana and Shaw. Lovren wants to go as does Wanyama. This is because they came to the club when Cortese was promising Champs league some time in the future. Otherwise they would not have joined in the first place. We won't get players in of that quality now because the new chairman talks more about balancing the books rather than achieving success. so it will be back to buying players from the lower leagues. Too much change and we could go down. What manager will come in under these circumstances? I might be wrong but selling all our players plus the ones that stay sulking due to being lovers of the ex manager, means disaster!

[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]footballfan123[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.[/p][/quote]Ok but what makes you think we are selling 5 players, and would we not get replacements in?[/p][/quote]Well, we might get replacements in but who will want to come knowing that we have no ambitions for success and selling our best players? It will be difficult to replace top quality players like Lallana and Shaw. Lovren wants to go as does Wanyama. This is because they came to the club when Cortese was promising Champs league some time in the future. Otherwise they would not have joined in the first place. We won't get players in of that quality now because the new chairman talks more about balancing the books rather than achieving success. so it will be back to buying players from the lower leagues. Too much change and we could go down. What manager will come in under these circumstances? I might be wrong but selling all our players plus the ones that stay sulking due to being lovers of the ex manager, means disaster!footballfan123

swesaint wrote…

footballfan123 wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.

Ok but what makes you think we are selling 5 players, and would we not get replacements in?

Well, we might get replacements in but who will want to come knowing that we have no ambitions for success and selling our best players? It will be difficult to replace top quality players like Lallana and Shaw. Lovren wants to go as does Wanyama. This is because they came to the club when Cortese was promising Champs league some time in the future. Otherwise they would not have joined in the first place. We won't get players in of that quality now because the new chairman talks more about balancing the books rather than achieving success. so it will be back to buying players from the lower leagues. Too much change and we could go down. What manager will come in under these circumstances? I might be wrong but selling all our players plus the ones that stay sulking due to being lovers of the ex manager, means disaster!

Score: 20

Saint in Pennsylvania
12:37am Sat 31 May 14

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.Saint in Pennsylvania

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.

Ok but what makes you think we are selling 5 players, and would we not get replacements in?

Well, we might get replacements in but who will want to come knowing that we have no ambitions for success and selling our best players? It will be difficult to replace top quality players like Lallana and Shaw. Lovren wants to go as does Wanyama. This is because they came to the club when Cortese was promising Champs league some time in the future. Otherwise they would not have joined in the first place. We won't get players in of that quality now because the new chairman talks more about balancing the books rather than achieving success. so it will be back to buying players from the lower leagues. Too much change and we could go down. What manager will come in under these circumstances? I might be wrong but selling all our players plus the ones that stay sulking due to being lovers of the ex manager, means disaster!

Of course it is hard to replace top players but it happens in every club, sometimes it works sometimes not but its a bit too much meltdown on this board right now. Relegation due to sulking players, that's a new one. I'm pretty much sure everyone on the team has experienced a change in management and survived. How did we do with a team full of players that were sulking after adkins left? I'm just not buying the doomsday theory. As for replacements the premier league is always a great proposition for managers and players, not sure why you think we would need to buy players in the lower leagues? And as for managing the books, most clubs has to do that now with ffp becoming a reality. We are probably better suited than most since we can actually produce a few from the academy.

[quote][p][bold]footballfan123[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]footballfan123[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.[/p][/quote]Ok but what makes you think we are selling 5 players, and would we not get replacements in?[/p][/quote]Well, we might get replacements in but who will want to come knowing that we have no ambitions for success and selling our best players? It will be difficult to replace top quality players like Lallana and Shaw. Lovren wants to go as does Wanyama. This is because they came to the club when Cortese was promising Champs league some time in the future. Otherwise they would not have joined in the first place. We won't get players in of that quality now because the new chairman talks more about balancing the books rather than achieving success. so it will be back to buying players from the lower leagues. Too much change and we could go down. What manager will come in under these circumstances? I might be wrong but selling all our players plus the ones that stay sulking due to being lovers of the ex manager, means disaster![/p][/quote]Of course it is hard to replace top players but it happens in every club, sometimes it works sometimes not but its a bit too much meltdown on this board right now. Relegation due to sulking players, that's a new one. I'm pretty much sure everyone on the team has experienced a change in management and survived. How did we do with a team full of players that were sulking after adkins left? I'm just not buying the doomsday theory. As for replacements the premier league is always a great proposition for managers and players, not sure why you think we would need to buy players in the lower leagues? And as for managing the books, most clubs has to do that now with ffp becoming a reality. We are probably better suited than most since we can actually produce a few from the academy.swesaint

footballfan123 wrote…

swesaint wrote…

footballfan123 wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

I understand what you are saying but selling say 5 players could result in relegation and the loss of 90 odd million pounds. Remember when we got the cup final and sold players only to nearly lose our club due to successive relegations. Lots of change and upheaval could cause this. The board could potentially just say "hands off our players, we have ambitions of our own". Staying in the premier league, paying the higher wages and achieving success on the field might bring in more money than going down without the players.

Ok but what makes you think we are selling 5 players, and would we not get replacements in?

Well, we might get replacements in but who will want to come knowing that we have no ambitions for success and selling our best players? It will be difficult to replace top quality players like Lallana and Shaw. Lovren wants to go as does Wanyama. This is because they came to the club when Cortese was promising Champs league some time in the future. Otherwise they would not have joined in the first place. We won't get players in of that quality now because the new chairman talks more about balancing the books rather than achieving success. so it will be back to buying players from the lower leagues. Too much change and we could go down. What manager will come in under these circumstances? I might be wrong but selling all our players plus the ones that stay sulking due to being lovers of the ex manager, means disaster!

Of course it is hard to replace top players but it happens in every club, sometimes it works sometimes not but its a bit too much meltdown on this board right now. Relegation due to sulking players, that's a new one. I'm pretty much sure everyone on the team has experienced a change in management and survived. How did we do with a team full of players that were sulking after adkins left? I'm just not buying the doomsday theory. As for replacements the premier league is always a great proposition for managers and players, not sure why you think we would need to buy players in the lower leagues? And as for managing the books, most clubs has to do that now with ffp becoming a reality. We are probably better suited than most since we can actually produce a few from the academy.

Score: 9

Saint in Pennsylvania
12:56am Sat 31 May 14

Shareholder wrote…

Let's hang on a minute! No one's been sold yet. £5m + for Lambert looks good business for a 32 year old with maybe 2 seasons at this level left. And even if Pochettino stayed I guess he wouldn't have started Lambert every game next season. And Lallana hasn't gone - Liverpool may well have offered more, who says the club or even the player have accepted? I really don't see why some people want to down the Board so readily. It's rejected Liverpool once so why shouldn't they again? The papers, Echo included, are in a feeding frenzy with us. Let's have some faith and react when something happens, not when the media tell us to jump!

With Lambert on his way, what striker options are we left with? Not much with J Rod injured for the start of the season.

What negotiating power have we now handed to the clubs that we will be targeting for a new striker. We will be forced to pay over the odds as we have no option but to buy and everybody will know it..

Selling Lambert NOW is not good business.

[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote:
Let's hang on a minute! No one's been sold yet. £5m + for Lambert looks good business for a 32 year old with maybe 2 seasons at this level left. And even if Pochettino stayed I guess he wouldn't have started Lambert every game next season. And Lallana hasn't gone - Liverpool may well have offered more, who says the club or even the player have accepted? I really don't see why some people want to down the Board so readily. It's rejected Liverpool once so why shouldn't they again? The papers, Echo included, are in a feeding frenzy with us. Let's have some faith and react when something happens, not when the media tell us to jump![/p][/quote]With Lambert on his way, what striker options are we left with? Not much with J Rod injured for the start of the season.
What negotiating power have we now handed to the clubs that we will be targeting for a new striker. We will be forced to pay over the odds as we have no option but to buy and everybody will know it..
Selling Lambert NOW is not good business.Saint in Pennsylvania

Shareholder wrote…

Let's hang on a minute! No one's been sold yet. £5m + for Lambert looks good business for a 32 year old with maybe 2 seasons at this level left. And even if Pochettino stayed I guess he wouldn't have started Lambert every game next season. And Lallana hasn't gone - Liverpool may well have offered more, who says the club or even the player have accepted? I really don't see why some people want to down the Board so readily. It's rejected Liverpool once so why shouldn't they again? The papers, Echo included, are in a feeding frenzy with us. Let's have some faith and react when something happens, not when the media tell us to jump!

With Lambert on his way, what striker options are we left with? Not much with J Rod injured for the start of the season.

What negotiating power have we now handed to the clubs that we will be targeting for a new striker. We will be forced to pay over the odds as we have no option but to buy and everybody will know it..

Selling Lambert NOW is not good business.

Score: 3

BigBugBuzzz
1:03am Sat 31 May 14

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

Its called a contract! They sign, they accept the terms!

[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]Its called a contract! They sign, they accept the terms!BigBugBuzzz

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

Its called a contract! They sign, they accept the terms!

Score: 1

SaintSteve76
1:04am Sat 31 May 14

Please at least give us fans some good news and tell us that Liverpool have been told where to go. Lallana's worth more than £25 mil anyway. I may begin to lose interest in the world cup very quickly!

Please at least give us fans some good news and tell us that Liverpool have been told where to go. Lallana's worth more than £25 mil anyway. I may begin to lose interest in the world cup very quickly!SaintSteve76

Please at least give us fans some good news and tell us that Liverpool have been told where to go. Lallana's worth more than £25 mil anyway. I may begin to lose interest in the world cup very quickly!

Score: 13

Slick Saint
1:10am Sat 31 May 14

Went to the match tonight which wasn't inspiring but I just look at Adam and feel that with his passion, he is our modern day Le Tiss. These guys breathe southampton. Let shaw go for £30 m but not Adam. Without him, we're in big trouble.

Went to the match tonight which wasn't inspiring but I just look at Adam and feel that with his passion, he is our modern day Le Tiss. These guys breathe southampton. Let shaw go for £30 m but not Adam. Without him, we're in big trouble.Slick Saint

Went to the match tonight which wasn't inspiring but I just look at Adam and feel that with his passion, he is our modern day Le Tiss. These guys breathe southampton. Let shaw go for £30 m but not Adam. Without him, we're in big trouble.

Score: 8

BigBugBuzzz
1:15am Sat 31 May 14

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.[/p][/quote]I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.
But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.
The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...BigBugBuzzz

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

Score: 1

saintofatheism
1:23am Sat 31 May 14

Repost- Wow' most of you on here seem very deluded or poorly educated about the workings of premiership football, how is any of this bad.ricky has left to live the dream and play CL for his childhood club whilst he still can. The manager wanted to leave (possibly for some time now) so you let him go and hire someone else, by the sound of it, someone of "high calibre" there will be more decent players going I don't doubt, and almost certainly decent players coming in. As for the board misleading fans, I'm sure it's not a easy task to juggle media and keep the fans of this amazing club happy. This isn't optimism , this is a view from outside the box . The bigger picture. Don't forget where we were over 5 years ago.

Repost- Wow' most of you on here seem very deluded or poorly educated about the workings of premiership football, how is any of this bad.ricky has left to live the dream and play CL for his childhood club whilst he still can. The manager wanted to leave (possibly for some time now) so you let him go and hire someone else, by the sound of it, someone of "high calibre" there will be more decent players going I don't doubt, and almost certainly decent players coming in. As for the board misleading fans, I'm sure it's not a easy task to juggle media and keep the fans of this amazing club happy. This isn't optimism , this is a view from outside the box . The bigger picture. Don't forget where we were over 5 years ago.saintofatheism

Repost- Wow' most of you on here seem very deluded or poorly educated about the workings of premiership football, how is any of this bad.ricky has left to live the dream and play CL for his childhood club whilst he still can. The manager wanted to leave (possibly for some time now) so you let him go and hire someone else, by the sound of it, someone of "high calibre" there will be more decent players going I don't doubt, and almost certainly decent players coming in. As for the board misleading fans, I'm sure it's not a easy task to juggle media and keep the fans of this amazing club happy. This isn't optimism , this is a view from outside the box . The bigger picture. Don't forget where we were over 5 years ago.

Score: 22

Rising_Son
1:36am Sat 31 May 14

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.

[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.[/p][/quote]I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.
But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.
The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...[/p][/quote]I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.Rising_Son

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.

Score: 2

BigBugBuzzz
2:12am Sat 31 May 14

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.

I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.

[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.[/p][/quote]I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.
But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.
The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...[/p][/quote]I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.[/p][/quote]I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.BigBugBuzzz

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.

I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.

Score: -2

KSO16R
3:53am Sat 31 May 14

Professional footballers come and go only real downer would be if he goes before the world cup. Gonna be either another great season next year, or a long painful one.

Professional footballers come and go only real downer would be if he goes before the world cup. Gonna be either another great season next year, or a long painful one.KSO16R

Professional footballers come and go only real downer would be if he goes before the world cup. Gonna be either another great season next year, or a long painful one.

Score: 5

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
5:21am Sat 31 May 14

I am afraid this board is rapidly losing credibility with me. How can we trust anything they say? We won't sell anyone until a new manager is appointed? Yeah, right. Ambitious to get into Europe? Oh yeah? I even had a plastic armchair Bournemouth fan tell me today that Saints are a selling club. It's making us a laughing stock. Sort it out!

I am afraid this board is rapidly losing credibility with me. How can we trust anything they say? We won't sell anyone until a new manager is appointed? Yeah, right. Ambitious to get into Europe? Oh yeah? I even had a plastic armchair Bournemouth fan tell me today that Saints are a selling club. It's making us a laughing stock. Sort it out!Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child

I am afraid this board is rapidly losing credibility with me. How can we trust anything they say? We won't sell anyone until a new manager is appointed? Yeah, right. Ambitious to get into Europe? Oh yeah? I even had a plastic armchair Bournemouth fan tell me today that Saints are a selling club. It's making us a laughing stock. Sort it out!

Score: 8

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
5:34am Sat 31 May 14

Ambitious for europe? Words are easy Krueger. Lets see some bluddy action.

Ambitious for europe? Words are easy Krueger. Lets see some bluddy action.

Score: 6

Littleton-Saint
5:35am Sat 31 May 14

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.[/p][/quote]Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.Littleton-Saint

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

Score: 12

saint phil
6:01am Sat 31 May 14

What was said ,we are not a selling club. Championship Here we come. Not got to the SKATES level yet but with this Board ,it will take 3 seasons .NOT A HAPPY MAN.

What was said ,we are not a selling club. Championship Here we come. Not got to the SKATES level yet but with this Board ,it will take 3 seasons .NOT A HAPPY MAN.saint phil

What was said ,we are not a selling club. Championship Here we come. Not got to the SKATES level yet but with this Board ,it will take 3 seasons .NOT A HAPPY MAN.

Score: 3

KSO16R
6:32am Sat 31 May 14

Guess we will see if we have got 'fully comp' or 'third party, fire and theft' next season

Guess we will see if we have got 'fully comp' or 'third party, fire and theft' next seasonKSO16R

Guess we will see if we have got 'fully comp' or 'third party, fire and theft' next season

Score: 1

Rising_Son
6:34am Sat 31 May 14

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.

I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.

I'm pretty sure I do understand the concept of a single voice and crowd intelligence. But, unless those with less common opinions accept that the group will act on the basis of the most common, but not necessarily infallible, opinion, it isn't going to get anywhere.

[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.[/p][/quote]I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.
But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.
The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...[/p][/quote]I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.[/p][/quote]I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure I do understand the concept of a single voice and crowd intelligence. But, unless those with less common opinions accept that the group will act on the basis of the most common, but not necessarily infallible, opinion, it isn't going to get anywhere.Rising_Son

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.

I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.

I'm pretty sure I do understand the concept of a single voice and crowd intelligence. But, unless those with less common opinions accept that the group will act on the basis of the most common, but not necessarily infallible, opinion, it isn't going to get anywhere.

Score: 3

Blackknight
6:54am Sat 31 May 14

"The Reds are understood to be saying this is a final offer and that, if a deal is not completed quickly, they will move on to other targets".

Let them, Liverpool have long been known as 'tighwads'. If Saints Adam wants to go his stock will rise way beyond their miserly £25 million offer after the World Cup and this bid will be the first of many.

"The Reds are understood to be saying this is a final offer and that, if a deal is not completed quickly, they will move on to other targets".
Let them, Liverpool have long been known as 'tighwads'. If Saints Adam wants to go his stock will rise way beyond their miserly £25 million offer after the World Cup and this bid will be the first of many.Blackknight

"The Reds are understood to be saying this is a final offer and that, if a deal is not completed quickly, they will move on to other targets".

Let them, Liverpool have long been known as 'tighwads'. If Saints Adam wants to go his stock will rise way beyond their miserly £25 million offer after the World Cup and this bid will be the first of many.

Score: 10

J7junctionseven
7:18am Sat 31 May 14

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee,
Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal,
That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m,
Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee,
Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal,
That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m,
Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!J7junctionseven

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee,
Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal,
That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m,
Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

Score: 2

The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
7:44am Sat 31 May 14

DO ONE - Liverpooooooooool

DO ONE - LiverpoooooooooolThe Rise of The Foot Soldier.

DO ONE - Liverpooooooooool

Score: 1

costa gaz
7:45am Sat 31 May 14

RK; We will only sell players under our terms ......... Liverpool; this is a final offer and that, if a deal is not completed quickly, we will move on to other targets.

Who will blink first? I think we all know the answer.

Our problem is our low wages, we have a lower wage bill than Sunderland Norwich, Fulham, Villa and a few others.
Catch 22 situation I'm afraid.

RK; We will only sell players under our terms ......... Liverpool; this is a final offer and that, if a deal is not completed quickly, we will move on to other targets.
Who will blink first? I think we all know the answer.
Our problem is our low wages, we have a lower wage bill than Sunderland Norwich, Fulham, Villa and a few others.
Catch 22 situation I'm afraid.costa gaz

RK; We will only sell players under our terms ......... Liverpool; this is a final offer and that, if a deal is not completed quickly, we will move on to other targets.

Who will blink first? I think we all know the answer.

Our problem is our low wages, we have a lower wage bill than Sunderland Norwich, Fulham, Villa and a few others.
Catch 22 situation I'm afraid.

Score: 4

J7junctionseven
8:01am Sat 31 May 14

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?J7junctionseven

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

Score: -1

NewForestStu
8:17am Sat 31 May 14

NewForestStu wrote…

To sell him or not to sell him Ralphie...that is the question eh?

Quite frankly at this pony I don't really give a fool what you do now. To say I am losing interest in the whole situation at SFC would be an understatement, perhaps deep down I simply want you to strip what is required, sell the sodding club in the hope that NC puts together a consortium or bid that can move the club on.

I appreciate breaking the top of the table was never likely to happen BUT that said do we really have to be selling these players that we are producing? You could show us some mettle and at least go some way to backing up your words by telling LFC to do one, no?

You have my £630 this year now so do not fear, that is nicely in the account. Yes I will be there as usual but have to say that you might not find me cheating from the rooftops as I have in the past.......even in all those relegation battle years.

Pony = point
Fool = folk
Cheating = chearing

[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote:
To sell him or not to sell him Ralphie...that is the question eh?
Quite frankly at this pony I don't really give a fool what you do now. To say I am losing interest in the whole situation at SFC would be an understatement, perhaps deep down I simply want you to strip what is required, sell the sodding club in the hope that NC puts together a consortium or bid that can move the club on.
I appreciate breaking the top of the table was never likely to happen BUT that said do we really have to be selling these players that we are producing? You could show us some mettle and at least go some way to backing up your words by telling LFC to do one, no?
You have my £630 this year now so do not fear, that is nicely in the account. Yes I will be there as usual but have to say that you might not find me cheating from the rooftops as I have in the past.......even in all those relegation battle years.[/p][/quote]Pony = point
Fool = folk
Cheating = chearingNewForestStu

NewForestStu wrote…

To sell him or not to sell him Ralphie...that is the question eh?

Quite frankly at this pony I don't really give a fool what you do now. To say I am losing interest in the whole situation at SFC would be an understatement, perhaps deep down I simply want you to strip what is required, sell the sodding club in the hope that NC puts together a consortium or bid that can move the club on.

I appreciate breaking the top of the table was never likely to happen BUT that said do we really have to be selling these players that we are producing? You could show us some mettle and at least go some way to backing up your words by telling LFC to do one, no?

You have my £630 this year now so do not fear, that is nicely in the account. Yes I will be there as usual but have to say that you might not find me cheating from the rooftops as I have in the past.......even in all those relegation battle years.

Pony = point
Fool = folk
Cheating = chearing

Score: 0

thinklikealocal
7:51am Sat 31 May 14

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.[/p][/quote]Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.[/p][/quote]What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.
I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.
I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....thinklikealocal

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Score: 17

thinklikealocal
7:58am Sat 31 May 14

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

I have it on good authority that SRL has been indicating for quite some time he may leave at the end of the season. Long before MP's departure so I don't think the two are linked. I suspect Liverpool tapped him up on the quiet earlier in the season so the decision was made long ago with just the formal approach required. Yes we could have said no, 'forbidden him to move', but, would that really have been the best strategy to take? I for one don't think so. So good luck to SRL, enjoy, we will always love and revere you down here at St M. I hope you get a start when Liverpool come down next season cos you will get an awesome reception.

[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.[/p][/quote]Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.[/p][/quote]I have it on good authority that SRL has been indicating for quite some time he may leave at the end of the season. Long before MP's departure so I don't think the two are linked. I suspect Liverpool tapped him up on the quiet earlier in the season so the decision was made long ago with just the formal approach required. Yes we could have said no, 'forbidden him to move', but, would that really have been the best strategy to take? I for one don't think so. So good luck to SRL, enjoy, we will always love and revere you down here at St M. I hope you get a start when Liverpool come down next season cos you will get an awesome reception.thinklikealocal

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

I have it on good authority that SRL has been indicating for quite some time he may leave at the end of the season. Long before MP's departure so I don't think the two are linked. I suspect Liverpool tapped him up on the quiet earlier in the season so the decision was made long ago with just the formal approach required. Yes we could have said no, 'forbidden him to move', but, would that really have been the best strategy to take? I for one don't think so. So good luck to SRL, enjoy, we will always love and revere you down here at St M. I hope you get a start when Liverpool come down next season cos you will get an awesome reception.

Score: 1

richard903
7:59am Sat 31 May 14

Of course stupid me, when Ralph said we want europe he meant the Eurovision song contest! The youth team, only players left are going to enter the competion next year, they are all growing beards and will be kitted out in Katrinas old dresses (her grand investment this year). Ralph Les & Katrina please get it sorted we cant take much more of this crap. Just once come out and say sod off skiverpool or Munchester, where is your back bone. come on you saints! Oh Adam Skiverpool want you, we need you! your choice

Of course stupid me, when Ralph said we want europe he meant the Eurovision song contest! The youth team, only players left are going to enter the competion next year, they are all growing beards and will be kitted out in Katrinas old dresses (her grand investment this year). Ralph Les & Katrina please get it sorted we cant take much more of this crap. Just once come out and say sod off skiverpool or Munchester, where is your back bone. come on you saints! Oh Adam Skiverpool want you, we need you! your choicerichard903

Of course stupid me, when Ralph said we want europe he meant the Eurovision song contest! The youth team, only players left are going to enter the competion next year, they are all growing beards and will be kitted out in Katrinas old dresses (her grand investment this year). Ralph Les & Katrina please get it sorted we cant take much more of this crap. Just once come out and say sod off skiverpool or Munchester, where is your back bone. come on you saints! Oh Adam Skiverpool want you, we need you! your choice

Score: -2

RNsaint
9:14am Sat 31 May 14

Rickie for 4 million. Sold. what a joke. his goals and penalty skills are worth double that. we won't sell . what a loads of c@?p. he has left us to go and benchwarm at Liverpool. will not start ahead of Sturridge and Suarez.
when are we going to get some positives out of the club.
renewed my season ticket but with a tinge of sadness

Rickie for 4 million. Sold. what a joke. his goals and penalty skills are worth double that. we won't sell . what a loads of c@?p. he has left us to go and benchwarm at Liverpool. will not start ahead of Sturridge and Suarez.
when are we going to get some positives out of the club.
renewed my season ticket but with a tinge of sadnessRNsaint

Rickie for 4 million. Sold. what a joke. his goals and penalty skills are worth double that. we won't sell . what a loads of c@?p. he has left us to go and benchwarm at Liverpool. will not start ahead of Sturridge and Suarez.
when are we going to get some positives out of the club.
renewed my season ticket but with a tinge of sadness

Score: -1

Block 42
8:03am Sat 31 May 14

go on krueger asset strip our club...you are such a kunt
how can you say the way to get to europe is through our youth if you are going to sell then as soon as teams come a knockin.
saints will be relegated next season and its yourand katerinas fault...bring back cortese!!!!!

go on krueger asset strip our club...you are such a kunt
how can you say the way to get to europe is through our youth if you are going to sell then as soon as teams come a knockin.
saints will be relegated next season and its yourand katerinas fault...bring back cortese!!!!!Block 42

go on krueger asset strip our club...you are such a kunt
how can you say the way to get to europe is through our youth if you are going to sell then as soon as teams come a knockin.
saints will be relegated next season and its yourand katerinas fault...bring back cortese!!!!!

Score: 0

Rising_Son
8:05am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.Rising_Son

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

Score: 3

thinklikealocal
8:06am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.thinklikealocal

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.[/p][/quote]He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.
Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?J7junctionseven

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

Score: 4

NewForestStu
8:14am Sat 31 May 14

To sell him or not to sell him Ralphie...that is the question eh?

Quite frankly at this pony I don't really give a fool what you do now. To say I am losing interest in the whole situation at SFC would be an understatement, perhaps deep down I simply want you to strip what is required, sell the sodding club in the hope that NC puts together a consortium or bid that can move the club on.

I appreciate breaking the top of the table was never likely to happen BUT that said do we really have to be selling these players that we are producing? You could show us some mettle and at least go some way to backing up your words by telling LFC to do one, no?

You have my £630 this year now so do not fear, that is nicely in the account. Yes I will be there as usual but have to say that you might not find me cheating from the rooftops as I have in the past.......even in all those relegation battle years.

To sell him or not to sell him Ralphie...that is the question eh?
Quite frankly at this pony I don't really give a fool what you do now. To say I am losing interest in the whole situation at SFC would be an understatement, perhaps deep down I simply want you to strip what is required, sell the sodding club in the hope that NC puts together a consortium or bid that can move the club on.
I appreciate breaking the top of the table was never likely to happen BUT that said do we really have to be selling these players that we are producing? You could show us some mettle and at least go some way to backing up your words by telling LFC to do one, no?
You have my £630 this year now so do not fear, that is nicely in the account. Yes I will be there as usual but have to say that you might not find me cheating from the rooftops as I have in the past.......even in all those relegation battle years.NewForestStu

To sell him or not to sell him Ralphie...that is the question eh?

Quite frankly at this pony I don't really give a fool what you do now. To say I am losing interest in the whole situation at SFC would be an understatement, perhaps deep down I simply want you to strip what is required, sell the sodding club in the hope that NC puts together a consortium or bid that can move the club on.

I appreciate breaking the top of the table was never likely to happen BUT that said do we really have to be selling these players that we are producing? You could show us some mettle and at least go some way to backing up your words by telling LFC to do one, no?

You have my £630 this year now so do not fear, that is nicely in the account. Yes I will be there as usual but have to say that you might not find me cheating from the rooftops as I have in the past.......even in all those relegation battle years.

Score: -1

J7junctionseven
8:16am Sat 31 May 14

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

Was our goal or should I say the fans dream.....not any more and definitely not a dream for the owner etc by the look of things.

[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.[/p][/quote]Was our goal or should I say the fans dream.....not any more and definitely not a dream for the owner etc by the look of things.J7junctionseven

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

Was our goal or should I say the fans dream.....not any more and definitely not a dream for the owner etc by the look of things.

Score: -2

thinklikealocal
8:22am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.[/p][/quote]He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.
Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?[/p][/quote]I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.thinklikealocal

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

Score: -4

NewForestStu
8:18am Sat 31 May 14

NewForestStu wrote…

NewForestStu wrote…

To sell him or not to sell him Ralphie...that is the question eh?

Quite frankly at this pony I don't really give a fool what you do now. To say I am losing interest in the whole situation at SFC would be an understatement, perhaps deep down I simply want you to strip what is required, sell the sodding club in the hope that NC puts together a consortium or bid that can move the club on.

I appreciate breaking the top of the table was never likely to happen BUT that said do we really have to be selling these players that we are producing? You could show us some mettle and at least go some way to backing up your words by telling LFC to do one, no?

You have my £630 this year now so do not fear, that is nicely in the account. Yes I will be there as usual but have to say that you might not find me cheating from the rooftops as I have in the past.......even in all those relegation battle years.

Pony = point
Fool = folk
Cheating = chearing

Fool = fook

Bl**dy ipad!!!

[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote:
To sell him or not to sell him Ralphie...that is the question eh?
Quite frankly at this pony I don't really give a fool what you do now. To say I am losing interest in the whole situation at SFC would be an understatement, perhaps deep down I simply want you to strip what is required, sell the sodding club in the hope that NC puts together a consortium or bid that can move the club on.
I appreciate breaking the top of the table was never likely to happen BUT that said do we really have to be selling these players that we are producing? You could show us some mettle and at least go some way to backing up your words by telling LFC to do one, no?
You have my £630 this year now so do not fear, that is nicely in the account. Yes I will be there as usual but have to say that you might not find me cheating from the rooftops as I have in the past.......even in all those relegation battle years.[/p][/quote]Pony = point
Fool = folk
Cheating = chearing[/p][/quote]Fool = fook
Bl**dy ipad!!!NewForestStu

NewForestStu wrote…

NewForestStu wrote…

To sell him or not to sell him Ralphie...that is the question eh?

Quite frankly at this pony I don't really give a fool what you do now. To say I am losing interest in the whole situation at SFC would be an understatement, perhaps deep down I simply want you to strip what is required, sell the sodding club in the hope that NC puts together a consortium or bid that can move the club on.

I appreciate breaking the top of the table was never likely to happen BUT that said do we really have to be selling these players that we are producing? You could show us some mettle and at least go some way to backing up your words by telling LFC to do one, no?

You have my £630 this year now so do not fear, that is nicely in the account. Yes I will be there as usual but have to say that you might not find me cheating from the rooftops as I have in the past.......even in all those relegation battle years.

Pony = point
Fool = folk
Cheating = chearing

Fool = fook

Bl**dy ipad!!!

Score: -1

THE12THMAN
8:28am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

I like it!

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!![/p][/quote]I like it!THE12THMAN

J7junctionseven wrote…

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

I like it!

Score: -4

J7junctionseven
8:28am Sat 31 May 14

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice.
Plus I can't stand Arsenal

[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.[/p][/quote]They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice.
Plus I can't stand ArsenalJ7junctionseven

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice.
Plus I can't stand Arsenal

Score: -2

Blackknight
8:38am Sat 31 May 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote…

Ambitious for europe? Words are easy Krueger. Lets see some bluddy action.

He meant he s taking the squad on a winter break to Spain.

[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote:
Ambitious for europe? Words are easy Krueger. Lets see some bluddy action.[/p][/quote]He meant he s taking the squad on a winter break to Spain.Blackknight

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote…

Ambitious for europe? Words are easy Krueger. Lets see some bluddy action.

He meant he s taking the squad on a winter break to Spain.

Score: 4

J7junctionseven
8:31am Sat 31 May 14

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz

[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.[/p][/quote]He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.
Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?[/p][/quote]I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.[/p][/quote]See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzzJ7junctionseven

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz

Score: 8

circa 66 saint
8:36am Sat 31 May 14

This is a completely made up scenario with not an ounce of truth involved.
Brendon Rodgers to Steven Gerard , "do me a favour at the next England get together stevie boy get real matey with those Southampton lads and turn their heads with all the riches and wonderful European games we have, as you know its against the rules for me to speak to them but with you and the other pool lads test them out and see if there is a spark of interest then we will make an approach if not then nothing lost".
The other bit of made up nonscence is this didn't happen when Alan Shearer broke into the England team way back in the early 90's and has not been happening in all the money years of the Premier league.
This is of course my own personal piece of fiction from a long standing Saints and football fan

This is a completely made up scenario with not an ounce of truth involved.
Brendon Rodgers to Steven Gerard , "do me a favour at the next England get together stevie boy get real matey with those Southampton lads and turn their heads with all the riches and wonderful European games we have, as you know its against the rules for me to speak to them but with you and the other pool lads test them out and see if there is a spark of interest then we will make an approach if not then nothing lost".
The other bit of made up nonscence is this didn't happen when Alan Shearer broke into the England team way back in the early 90's and has not been happening in all the money years of the Premier league.
This is of course my own personal piece of fiction from a long standing Saints and football fancirca 66 saint

This is a completely made up scenario with not an ounce of truth involved.
Brendon Rodgers to Steven Gerard , "do me a favour at the next England get together stevie boy get real matey with those Southampton lads and turn their heads with all the riches and wonderful European games we have, as you know its against the rules for me to speak to them but with you and the other pool lads test them out and see if there is a spark of interest then we will make an approach if not then nothing lost".
The other bit of made up nonscence is this didn't happen when Alan Shearer broke into the England team way back in the early 90's and has not been happening in all the money years of the Premier league.
This is of course my own personal piece of fiction from a long standing Saints and football fan

Score: 1

Littleton-Saint
8:36am Sat 31 May 14

I see that Roy Hodgson is preparing Rickie for his new role
on the bench at Liverpool. Rickie may have a two year
contract but his regular playing days are over.

I see that Roy Hodgson is preparing Rickie for his new role
on the bench at Liverpool. Rickie may have a two year
contract but his regular playing days are over.Littleton-Saint

I see that Roy Hodgson is preparing Rickie for his new role
on the bench at Liverpool. Rickie may have a two year
contract but his regular playing days are over.

Score: 4

Costa Baz
8:37am Sat 31 May 14

The AA have issued the following warning.

Owing to the number of toys, being thrown out of prams, drivers are being advised to avoid the Southampton area.
It is feared that this problem may take some time, owing to so many of the toy throwers being convinced that it is the Southampton Way.
Should it be necessary to venture into the town centre, please drive with extreme caution, especially if approaching from the St Mary's direction, where the road is strewn with Sammy and Super Saint dolls.

The AA have issued the following warning.
Owing to the number of toys, being thrown out of prams, drivers are being advised to avoid the Southampton area.
It is feared that this problem may take some time, owing to so many of the toy throwers being convinced that it is the Southampton Way.
Should it be necessary to venture into the town centre, please drive with extreme caution, especially if approaching from the St Mary's direction, where the road is strewn with Sammy and Super Saint dolls.Costa Baz

The AA have issued the following warning.

Owing to the number of toys, being thrown out of prams, drivers are being advised to avoid the Southampton area.
It is feared that this problem may take some time, owing to so many of the toy throwers being convinced that it is the Southampton Way.
Should it be necessary to venture into the town centre, please drive with extreme caution, especially if approaching from the St Mary's direction, where the road is strewn with Sammy and Super Saint dolls.

Score: 19

J7junctionseven
8:48am Sat 31 May 14

THE12THMAN wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

I like it!

Might be the way forward for the club to get rid of as many players as possible before a ball is kicked in the world cup......sell two at a time!!
Lallana and Lovren to Diverpool
Spiderman and Clyne to Arse nil
Shaw and Ward-Prowse to Manure
Wanyama and J Rod to Spuds
Fonte and Davis to Hull
Boruc and Ramirez to Newcastle or abroad somewhere

Bingo!...loads of dosh and all the good stock gone!!
Come on Krueger this is a fantastic way of making money asap

[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!![/p][/quote]I like it![/p][/quote]Might be the way forward for the club to get rid of as many players as possible before a ball is kicked in the world cup......sell two at a time!!
Lallana and Lovren to Diverpool
Spiderman and Clyne to Arse nil
Shaw and Ward-Prowse to Manure
Wanyama and J Rod to Spuds
Fonte and Davis to Hull
Boruc and Ramirez to Newcastle or abroad somewhere
Bingo!...loads of dosh and all the good stock gone!!
Come on Krueger this is a fantastic way of making money asapJ7junctionseven

THE12THMAN wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

I like it!

Might be the way forward for the club to get rid of as many players as possible before a ball is kicked in the world cup......sell two at a time!!
Lallana and Lovren to Diverpool
Spiderman and Clyne to Arse nil
Shaw and Ward-Prowse to Manure
Wanyama and J Rod to Spuds
Fonte and Davis to Hull
Boruc and Ramirez to Newcastle or abroad somewhere

Bingo!...loads of dosh and all the good stock gone!!
Come on Krueger this is a fantastic way of making money asap

Score: 6

THE12THMAN
8:56am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

THE12THMAN wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

I like it!

Might be the way forward for the club to get rid of as many players as possible before a ball is kicked in the world cup......sell two at a time!! Lallana and Lovren to Diverpool Spiderman and Clyne to Arse nil Shaw and Ward-Prowse to Manure Wanyama and J Rod to Spuds Fonte and Davis to Hull Boruc and Ramirez to Newcastle or abroad somewhere Bingo!...loads of dosh and all the good stock gone!! Come on Krueger this is a fantastic way of making money asap

If Krueger gets his way the only player left will be the Nut job who nobody wants!

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!![/p][/quote]I like it![/p][/quote]Might be the way forward for the club to get rid of as many players as possible before a ball is kicked in the world cup......sell two at a time!! Lallana and Lovren to Diverpool Spiderman and Clyne to Arse nil Shaw and Ward-Prowse to Manure Wanyama and J Rod to Spuds Fonte and Davis to Hull Boruc and Ramirez to Newcastle or abroad somewhere Bingo!...loads of dosh and all the good stock gone!! Come on Krueger this is a fantastic way of making money asap[/p][/quote]If Krueger gets his way the only player left will be the Nut job who nobody wants!THE12THMAN

J7junctionseven wrote…

THE12THMAN wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

I like it!

Might be the way forward for the club to get rid of as many players as possible before a ball is kicked in the world cup......sell two at a time!! Lallana and Lovren to Diverpool Spiderman and Clyne to Arse nil Shaw and Ward-Prowse to Manure Wanyama and J Rod to Spuds Fonte and Davis to Hull Boruc and Ramirez to Newcastle or abroad somewhere Bingo!...loads of dosh and all the good stock gone!! Come on Krueger this is a fantastic way of making money asap

If Krueger gets his way the only player left will be the Nut job who nobody wants!

Score: 2

bigfella777
8:59am Sat 31 May 14

If falaini went to man u for 29 then Adam is at least worth 30

If falaini went to man u for 29 then Adam is at least worth 30bigfella777

If falaini went to man u for 29 then Adam is at least worth 30

Score: 2

Rising_Son
9:04am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice.
Plus I can't stand Arsenal

I dislike them a lot less than the others. At least, they aspire to play attractive football. When did you last see Chelsea attempt something like that?

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.[/p][/quote]They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice.
Plus I can't stand Arsenal[/p][/quote]I dislike them a lot less than the others. At least, they aspire to play attractive football. When did you last see Chelsea attempt something like that?Rising_Son

J7junctionseven wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice.
Plus I can't stand Arsenal

I dislike them a lot less than the others. At least, they aspire to play attractive football. When did you last see Chelsea attempt something like that?

Score: 5

THE12THMAN
9:05am Sat 31 May 14

bigfella777 wrote…

If falaini went to man u for 29 then Adam is at least worth 30

I would agree,plus add on's take it or leave it .

[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
If falaini went to man u for 29 then Adam is at least worth 30[/p][/quote]I would agree,plus add on's take it or leave it .THE12THMAN

bigfella777 wrote…

If falaini went to man u for 29 then Adam is at least worth 30

I would agree,plus add on's take it or leave it .

Score: 3

THE12THMAN
9:17am Sat 31 May 14

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs????? Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo??? Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice. Plus I can't stand Arsenal

I dislike them a lot less than the others. At least, they aspire to play attractive football. When did you last see Chelsea attempt something like that?

Attractive football counts for nothing if you don't win and I am afraid Chelsea know how to win,just ask the scousers.

[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs????? Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo??? Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.[/p][/quote]They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice. Plus I can't stand Arsenal[/p][/quote]I dislike them a lot less than the others. At least, they aspire to play attractive football. When did you last see Chelsea attempt something like that?[/p][/quote]Attractive football counts for nothing if you don't win and I am afraid Chelsea know how to win,just ask the scousers.THE12THMAN

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs????? Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo??? Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice. Plus I can't stand Arsenal

I dislike them a lot less than the others. At least, they aspire to play attractive football. When did you last see Chelsea attempt something like that?

Attractive football counts for nothing if you don't win and I am afraid Chelsea know how to win,just ask the scousers.

Score: -1

THE12THMAN
10:14am Sat 31 May 14

brighton saint wrote…

Costa Baz wrote…

The AA have issued the following warning.

Owing to the number of toys, being thrown out of prams, drivers are being advised to avoid the Southampton area.
It is feared that this problem may take some time, owing to so many of the toy throwers being convinced that it is the Southampton Way.
Should it be necessary to venture into the town centre, please drive with extreme caution, especially if approaching from the St Mary's direction, where the road is strewn with Sammy and Super Saint dolls.

Love it dude!!!

Are you sure you don't love Baz dude?

[quote][p][bold]brighton saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote:
The AA have issued the following warning.
Owing to the number of toys, being thrown out of prams, drivers are being advised to avoid the Southampton area.
It is feared that this problem may take some time, owing to so many of the toy throwers being convinced that it is the Southampton Way.
Should it be necessary to venture into the town centre, please drive with extreme caution, especially if approaching from the St Mary's direction, where the road is strewn with Sammy and Super Saint dolls.[/p][/quote]Love it dude!!![/p][/quote]Are you sure you don't love Baz dude?THE12THMAN

brighton saint wrote…

Costa Baz wrote…

The AA have issued the following warning.

Owing to the number of toys, being thrown out of prams, drivers are being advised to avoid the Southampton area.
It is feared that this problem may take some time, owing to so many of the toy throwers being convinced that it is the Southampton Way.
Should it be necessary to venture into the town centre, please drive with extreme caution, especially if approaching from the St Mary's direction, where the road is strewn with Sammy and Super Saint dolls.

Love it dude!!!

Are you sure you don't love Baz dude?

Score: 1

Toxteth Red
9:34am Sat 31 May 14

Hi Lads, Have you got any promising youngsters coming through? What's their names I want to know who we'll be signing next Summer? Probably be cheap being Championship players aswell.

Hi Lads, Have you got any promising youngsters coming through? What's their names I want to know who we'll be signing next Summer? Probably be cheap being Championship players aswell.Toxteth Red

Hi Lads, Have you got any promising youngsters coming through? What's their names I want to know who we'll be signing next Summer? Probably be cheap being Championship players aswell.

Score: -6

Bobs Your Uncle ?
9:23am Sat 31 May 14

They will all be sold if the price is right ,must be obvious to even the dimmest.

They will all be sold if the price is right ,must be obvious to even the dimmest.Bobs Your Uncle ?

They will all be sold if the price is right ,must be obvious to even the dimmest.

Score: 3

upwherewebelong
9:26am Sat 31 May 14

I think this board need some educating on how to say no. To me it's quite simple you just tell Liverpool that before you even approach us any transfer fee must be over £35 million. Liverpool and the other so called big four need to be taught that they can't just pick the best players from other clubs. They MUST be told they need to take some repsonsibility for growing and developing their own players. Seems like we are one of the very few clubs that boths with youth. It's sad and pathetic and our board MUST start defending the club. Actions do speak louder than words so what Krueger says must now be backed with action

I think this board need some educating on how to say no. To me it's quite simple you just tell Liverpool that before you even approach us any transfer fee must be over £35 million. Liverpool and the other so called big four need to be taught that they can't just pick the best players from other clubs. They MUST be told they need to take some repsonsibility for growing and developing their own players. Seems like we are one of the very few clubs that boths with youth. It's sad and pathetic and our board MUST start defending the club. Actions do speak louder than words so what Krueger says must now be backed with actionupwherewebelong

I think this board need some educating on how to say no. To me it's quite simple you just tell Liverpool that before you even approach us any transfer fee must be over £35 million. Liverpool and the other so called big four need to be taught that they can't just pick the best players from other clubs. They MUST be told they need to take some repsonsibility for growing and developing their own players. Seems like we are one of the very few clubs that boths with youth. It's sad and pathetic and our board MUST start defending the club. Actions do speak louder than words so what Krueger says must now be backed with action

Score: 5

Clever Dick
9:27am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee,
Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal,
That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m,
Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

Unfortuately that would end up in court.

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee,
Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal,
That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m,
Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!![/p][/quote]Unfortuately that would end up in court.Clever Dick

J7junctionseven wrote…

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee,
Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal,
That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m,
Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

Unfortuately that would end up in court.

Score: 1

DansAFCB
9:27am Sat 31 May 14

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!
The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!
Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!
UTCIADDansAFCB

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Score: -14

Littleton-Saint
9:31am Sat 31 May 14

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Bring it on - let her sell to someone who will build the club rather than liquidate it.

[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.[/p][/quote]Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.[/p][/quote]What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.
I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.
I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....[/p][/quote]Bring it on - let her sell to someone who will build the club rather than liquidate it.Littleton-Saint

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Bring it on - let her sell to someone who will build the club rather than liquidate it.

Score: 6

Sally Hamilton Original
9:32am Sat 31 May 14

Lovren to Spurs a done deal I am told. Possibly being announced today .. RK you are ruining this club

Lovren to Spurs a done deal I am told. Possibly being announced today .. RK you are ruining this clubSally Hamilton Original

Lovren to Spurs a done deal I am told. Possibly being announced today .. RK you are ruining this club

Score: 5

Stnana
9:59am Sat 31 May 14

I think we have to face the fact that no player is being sold against his will and that just maybe it is the players and their agents that are doing the bullying ! England call ups and now they're too good for us ! It's up to the board to stand firm against them and issue reminders that none of them would be where they are today if ithey hadn't been with this club ! They are one year into 5yr contracts so there is no need to negotiate anything for at least another two years. Let them sulk on our bench and see if they still get England call ups. As for those who say with the money we get for them we could go and buy even better players and still have change, how come Liverpool and Man U are not doing that ?

I think we have to face the fact that no player is being sold against his will and that just maybe it is the players and their agents that are doing the bullying ! England call ups and now they're too good for us ! It's up to the board to stand firm against them and issue reminders that none of them would be where they are today if ithey hadn't been with this club ! They are one year into 5yr contracts so there is no need to negotiate anything for at least another two years. Let them sulk on our bench and see if they still get England call ups. As for those who say with the money we get for them we could go and buy even better players and still have change, how come Liverpool and Man U are not doing that ?Stnana

I think we have to face the fact that no player is being sold against his will and that just maybe it is the players and their agents that are doing the bullying ! England call ups and now they're too good for us ! It's up to the board to stand firm against them and issue reminders that none of them would be where they are today if ithey hadn't been with this club ! They are one year into 5yr contracts so there is no need to negotiate anything for at least another two years. Let them sulk on our bench and see if they still get England call ups. As for those who say with the money we get for them we could go and buy even better players and still have change, how come Liverpool and Man U are not doing that ?

Score: 5

sisaydo1
9:32am Sat 31 May 14

GET THE BOARD OUT! I said at the start of the week that this would happen and Ralph, Katrina and that idiot reed would ruin our club and that is what is happening... wake up people our club is being asset stripped by the **** who dad saved us. RIP Markus. Wrote that yesterday and got more than 40 thumbs down. Seems like some have now woken up.

GET THE BOARD OUT! I said at the start of the week that this would happen and Ralph, Katrina and that idiot reed would ruin our club and that is what is happening... wake up people our club is being asset stripped by the **** who dad saved us. RIP Markus. Wrote that yesterday and got more than 40 thumbs down. Seems like some have now woken up.sisaydo1

GET THE BOARD OUT! I said at the start of the week that this would happen and Ralph, Katrina and that idiot reed would ruin our club and that is what is happening... wake up people our club is being asset stripped by the **** who dad saved us. RIP Markus. Wrote that yesterday and got more than 40 thumbs down. Seems like some have now woken up.

Score: 2

bullsbags
10:20am Sat 31 May 14

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Well p!ss off and die then t0sser

[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote:
Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!
The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!
Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!
UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Well p!ss off and die then t0sserbullsbags

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Well p!ss off and die then t0sser

Score: -4

OSPREYSAINT
9:35am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

THE12THMAN wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

I like it!

Might be the way forward for the club to get rid of as many players as possible before a ball is kicked in the world cup......sell two at a time!!
Lallana and Lovren to Diverpool
Spiderman and Clyne to Arse nil
Shaw and Ward-Prowse to Manure
Wanyama and J Rod to Spuds
Fonte and Davis to Hull
Boruc and Ramirez to Newcastle or abroad somewhere

Bingo!...loads of dosh and all the good stock gone!!
Come on Krueger this is a fantastic way of making money asap

Do you work for the Daily Mirror?

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!![/p][/quote]I like it![/p][/quote]Might be the way forward for the club to get rid of as many players as possible before a ball is kicked in the world cup......sell two at a time!!
Lallana and Lovren to Diverpool
Spiderman and Clyne to Arse nil
Shaw and Ward-Prowse to Manure
Wanyama and J Rod to Spuds
Fonte and Davis to Hull
Boruc and Ramirez to Newcastle or abroad somewhere
Bingo!...loads of dosh and all the good stock gone!!
Come on Krueger this is a fantastic way of making money asap[/p][/quote]Do you work for the Daily Mirror?OSPREYSAINT

J7junctionseven wrote…

THE12THMAN wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

If Lallana does go f@ck giving bompey 25% of the whole fee, Get our new parent club Diverpool to buy Lovren for 39m and sell Lallana for 1m as a buy one get one nearly free deal, That way the owners can reap even more money and bompey will only get 1/4m, Come on krueger you greedy lying kunt don't miss this great money making idea!!!

I like it!

Might be the way forward for the club to get rid of as many players as possible before a ball is kicked in the world cup......sell two at a time!!
Lallana and Lovren to Diverpool
Spiderman and Clyne to Arse nil
Shaw and Ward-Prowse to Manure
Wanyama and J Rod to Spuds
Fonte and Davis to Hull
Boruc and Ramirez to Newcastle or abroad somewhere

Bingo!...loads of dosh and all the good stock gone!!
Come on Krueger this is a fantastic way of making money asap

Do you work for the Daily Mirror?

Score: -3

upwherewebelong
10:07am Sat 31 May 14

george chivers wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I am very frustrated about this as you are. But business manager are not employed to satisfy the best interests of the fans they are employed to act in the best interests of the owner.

then clearly George if you are right we need an owner that has the same passion for Southampton as you and I do and the countless others that spend hard earned money supporting the club. Bet KL's dad is turning in his grave. It's said and I don't undertstand why KL is doing it. Krueger I now accept is just a first class idiot with honours.

[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]I am very frustrated about this as you are. But business manager are not employed to satisfy the best interests of the fans they are employed to act in the best interests of the owner.[/p][/quote]then clearly George if you are right we need an owner that has the same passion for Southampton as you and I do and the countless others that spend hard earned money supporting the club. Bet KL's dad is turning in his grave. It's said and I don't undertstand why KL is doing it. Krueger I now accept is just a first class idiot with honours.upwherewebelong

george chivers wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I am very frustrated about this as you are. But business manager are not employed to satisfy the best interests of the fans they are employed to act in the best interests of the owner.

then clearly George if you are right we need an owner that has the same passion for Southampton as you and I do and the countless others that spend hard earned money supporting the club. Bet KL's dad is turning in his grave. It's said and I don't undertstand why KL is doing it. Krueger I now accept is just a first class idiot with honours.

Score: -4

THE12THMAN
9:41am Sat 31 May 14

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

You have more mouth than Bournemouth hiding behind a computer.

[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote:
Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!
The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!
Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!
UTCIAD[/p][/quote]You have more mouth than Bournemouth hiding behind a computer.THE12THMAN

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

You have more mouth than Bournemouth hiding behind a computer.

Score: 2

TGodSFC
2:07pm Sat 31 May 14

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?

You doubt me? I have supported the Club for nearly sixty years, I have seen just about everything that could happen to a football club, I am still here, and still punching my weight against weak willed, negative, ungrateful fans who have very short memories and no actual proof of what is going on. The worse thing you could accuse me is of being either a skate or a WUM, I am neither so I request an apology or a retraction please.

You want me to retract a question?
Dream on.

The manager and players leaving doesn't count as proof?
When should us fans start worrying?

OK that's your right, you ask me when to start worrying, well you already seem to know the answer, as you already are. One manager has left, we will get another one, one player is on the verge of leaving, he has done about everything he could do for us, good luck to him. Lalla going, I don't know, we, apparently demand £30m Liverpool, won't go over £25m, impasse. Maybe he and others will go to Spuds, who knows, we will just have to replace them if we can. Other players will leave? Yes, I expect so, we will have to replace them if we can. End of the World, well may be, but if that happens I won't be around to worry about it.

I have to say, I tend to agree with most of OSPREYSAINT's posts. Too much negativity going on within the fan base on here (one of the keys roles to the clubs last 5 year plan was the unity within the squad, we should take from that right now). Nothing has actually happened with regards to Ads yet and I'm not convinced it will. £25M on the table with a request to push it through before Monday or no deal, we have no manager, 25% would go to B'mouth, so that’s around 6.4M, which would mean 18.6M for Ads, I don't think so....
You can't avoid big club offer big money for star players from clubs with smaller wage bills, but just because the papers are trying to sell more copies in the years off-peak time, before the world cup starts, doesn’t mean its true. We've had a very successful last 5 years considering what we've been through previous, it was so rapid, clubs from all over Europe stood up and took notice, people want a piece of that, its inevitable. Even NC said, he doesn’t think what happen with us will ever happen again in football.
We need to all just think a bit more logically. For all the people claiming KL is stripping the club of its assets to sell, use your brain, If she sells every decent player the club wouldn’t be worth nearly as much if she wants to sell, its bad business.
Once a new manager is installed, which will hopefully be before the WC starts, everything will calm down, just sit tight and hold on.

[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.[/p][/quote]Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?[/p][/quote]You doubt me? I have supported the Club for nearly sixty years, I have seen just about everything that could happen to a football club, I am still here, and still punching my weight against weak willed, negative, ungrateful fans who have very short memories and no actual proof of what is going on. The worse thing you could accuse me is of being either a skate or a WUM, I am neither so I request an apology or a retraction please.[/p][/quote]You want me to retract a question?
Dream on.
The manager and players leaving doesn't count as proof?
When should us fans start worrying?[/p][/quote]OK that's your right, you ask me when to start worrying, well you already seem to know the answer, as you already are. One manager has left, we will get another one, one player is on the verge of leaving, he has done about everything he could do for us, good luck to him. Lalla going, I don't know, we, apparently demand £30m Liverpool, won't go over £25m, impasse. Maybe he and others will go to Spuds, who knows, we will just have to replace them if we can. Other players will leave? Yes, I expect so, we will have to replace them if we can. End of the World, well may be, but if that happens I won't be around to worry about it.[/p][/quote]I have to say, I tend to agree with most of OSPREYSAINT's posts. Too much negativity going on within the fan base on here (one of the keys roles to the clubs last 5 year plan was the unity within the squad, we should take from that right now). Nothing has actually happened with regards to Ads yet and I'm not convinced it will. £25M on the table with a request to push it through before Monday or no deal, we have no manager, 25% would go to B'mouth, so that’s around 6.4M, which would mean 18.6M for Ads, I don't think so....
You can't avoid big club offer big money for star players from clubs with smaller wage bills, but just because the papers are trying to sell more copies in the years off-peak time, before the world cup starts, doesn’t mean its true. We've had a very successful last 5 years considering what we've been through previous, it was so rapid, clubs from all over Europe stood up and took notice, people want a piece of that, its inevitable. Even NC said, he doesn’t think what happen with us will ever happen again in football.
We need to all just think a bit more logically. For all the people claiming KL is stripping the club of its assets to sell, use your brain, If she sells every decent player the club wouldn’t be worth nearly as much if she wants to sell, its bad business.
Once a new manager is installed, which will hopefully be before the WC starts, everything will calm down, just sit tight and hold on.TGodSFC

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?

You doubt me? I have supported the Club for nearly sixty years, I have seen just about everything that could happen to a football club, I am still here, and still punching my weight against weak willed, negative, ungrateful fans who have very short memories and no actual proof of what is going on. The worse thing you could accuse me is of being either a skate or a WUM, I am neither so I request an apology or a retraction please.

You want me to retract a question?
Dream on.

The manager and players leaving doesn't count as proof?
When should us fans start worrying?

OK that's your right, you ask me when to start worrying, well you already seem to know the answer, as you already are. One manager has left, we will get another one, one player is on the verge of leaving, he has done about everything he could do for us, good luck to him. Lalla going, I don't know, we, apparently demand £30m Liverpool, won't go over £25m, impasse. Maybe he and others will go to Spuds, who knows, we will just have to replace them if we can. Other players will leave? Yes, I expect so, we will have to replace them if we can. End of the World, well may be, but if that happens I won't be around to worry about it.

I have to say, I tend to agree with most of OSPREYSAINT's posts. Too much negativity going on within the fan base on here (one of the keys roles to the clubs last 5 year plan was the unity within the squad, we should take from that right now). Nothing has actually happened with regards to Ads yet and I'm not convinced it will. £25M on the table with a request to push it through before Monday or no deal, we have no manager, 25% would go to B'mouth, so that’s around 6.4M, which would mean 18.6M for Ads, I don't think so....
You can't avoid big club offer big money for star players from clubs with smaller wage bills, but just because the papers are trying to sell more copies in the years off-peak time, before the world cup starts, doesn’t mean its true. We've had a very successful last 5 years considering what we've been through previous, it was so rapid, clubs from all over Europe stood up and took notice, people want a piece of that, its inevitable. Even NC said, he doesn’t think what happen with us will ever happen again in football.
We need to all just think a bit more logically. For all the people claiming KL is stripping the club of its assets to sell, use your brain, If she sells every decent player the club wouldn’t be worth nearly as much if she wants to sell, its bad business.
Once a new manager is installed, which will hopefully be before the WC starts, everything will calm down, just sit tight and hold on.

Score: 2

BarnetSaint
9:43am Sat 31 May 14

Our team is about to be asset stripped and the board are unwilling and incapable of preventing this.
Cortese was single minded and did not respect our history and tradition, BUT I really do believe he would have been more than a match for Levy and driven a hard deal over Pooch. He would also have told the vultures where to go, any player leaving would be on our terms and if people naively think we can simply reinvest to replace what we're about to lose, I'm afraid they're very wrong.

The delay over a new, decent manager coming in is because of the uncertainty over who will be left. Nothing personal Ralph, but you sound both arrogant and naive. That's quite a feat.
If I'm wrong I'll post an apology on here.

Our team is about to be asset stripped and the board are unwilling and incapable of preventing this.
Cortese was single minded and did not respect our history and tradition, BUT I really do believe he would have been more than a match for Levy and driven a hard deal over Pooch. He would also have told the vultures where to go, any player leaving would be on our terms and if people naively think we can simply reinvest to replace what we're about to lose, I'm afraid they're very wrong.
The delay over a new, decent manager coming in is because of the uncertainty over who will be left. Nothing personal Ralph, but you sound both arrogant and naive. That's quite a feat.
If I'm wrong I'll post an apology on here.BarnetSaint

Our team is about to be asset stripped and the board are unwilling and incapable of preventing this.
Cortese was single minded and did not respect our history and tradition, BUT I really do believe he would have been more than a match for Levy and driven a hard deal over Pooch. He would also have told the vultures where to go, any player leaving would be on our terms and if people naively think we can simply reinvest to replace what we're about to lose, I'm afraid they're very wrong.

The delay over a new, decent manager coming in is because of the uncertainty over who will be left. Nothing personal Ralph, but you sound both arrogant and naive. That's quite a feat.
If I'm wrong I'll post an apology on here.

Score: 6

upwherewebelong
9:47am Sat 31 May 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote…

They will all be sold if the price is right ,must be obvious to even the dimmest.

Bobs the problem is due to staggering stupidity the club aren't getting the right prices. krueger. Liebherr et al are remarkably out of their depth. For example.

West ham offer SEVEN million in January under Cortese which apparently was accepted Liverpool offer 4 Million in May how has Ricky lost 3million in value.

Exhibit B - The loss of Adidas as kit manufacturer. Hardly a sign of a well run board that knows what's it doing

Exhibit C - Veho as a main club sponsor - seriously who sanctioned that after AAP3 again who were they ? Come on Saints it's not difficult get a proper sponsor.

Exhibit D - A blatant lack of desire to hold on to players. Krueger needs to be told you can't say one thing then do another. If he wants to sell players then at least just come out and say that the club want to sell players. I'd not like it one bit but at least i'd respect him for telling the truth.

Exhibit E - STILL no new manager come on Saints get a shift on and act quicker to replace this key position.

The sad reality is beginning to hit home that he doesn't feel anything for the fans or club and is out of his depth.

For those woried that if KL sees the rise of an anti KL faction and decides to sell so what. She's hardly backing the club is she. You can't sell your best players before getting replacements no other club in the Premier League acts in this way other than Newcastle and look at the impact selling Cabaye without getting a replacement first had.

[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote:
They will all be sold if the price is right ,must be obvious to even the dimmest.[/p][/quote]Bobs the problem is due to staggering stupidity the club aren't getting the right prices. krueger. Liebherr et al are remarkably out of their depth. For example.
West ham offer SEVEN million in January under Cortese which apparently was accepted Liverpool offer 4 Million in May how has Ricky lost 3million in value.
Exhibit B - The loss of Adidas as kit manufacturer. Hardly a sign of a well run board that knows what's it doing
Exhibit C - Veho as a main club sponsor - seriously who sanctioned that after AAP3 again who were they ? Come on Saints it's not difficult get a proper sponsor.
Exhibit D - A blatant lack of desire to hold on to players. Krueger needs to be told you can't say one thing then do another. If he wants to sell players then at least just come out and say that the club want to sell players. I'd not like it one bit but at least i'd respect him for telling the truth.
Exhibit E - STILL no new manager come on Saints get a shift on and act quicker to replace this key position.
The sad reality is beginning to hit home that he doesn't feel anything for the fans or club and is out of his depth.
For those woried that if KL sees the rise of an anti KL faction and decides to sell so what. She's hardly backing the club is she. You can't sell your best players before getting replacements no other club in the Premier League acts in this way other than Newcastle and look at the impact selling Cabaye without getting a replacement first had.upwherewebelong

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote…

They will all be sold if the price is right ,must be obvious to even the dimmest.

Bobs the problem is due to staggering stupidity the club aren't getting the right prices. krueger. Liebherr et al are remarkably out of their depth. For example.

West ham offer SEVEN million in January under Cortese which apparently was accepted Liverpool offer 4 Million in May how has Ricky lost 3million in value.

Exhibit B - The loss of Adidas as kit manufacturer. Hardly a sign of a well run board that knows what's it doing

Exhibit C - Veho as a main club sponsor - seriously who sanctioned that after AAP3 again who were they ? Come on Saints it's not difficult get a proper sponsor.

Exhibit D - A blatant lack of desire to hold on to players. Krueger needs to be told you can't say one thing then do another. If he wants to sell players then at least just come out and say that the club want to sell players. I'd not like it one bit but at least i'd respect him for telling the truth.

Exhibit E - STILL no new manager come on Saints get a shift on and act quicker to replace this key position.

The sad reality is beginning to hit home that he doesn't feel anything for the fans or club and is out of his depth.

For those woried that if KL sees the rise of an anti KL faction and decides to sell so what. She's hardly backing the club is she. You can't sell your best players before getting replacements no other club in the Premier League acts in this way other than Newcastle and look at the impact selling Cabaye without getting a replacement first had.

Score: -5

John Smith34
9:47am Sat 31 May 14

Wow I think I enjoyed the journey more than the destination.......

Wow I think I enjoyed the journey more than the destination.......John Smith34

Wow I think I enjoyed the journey more than the destination.......

Score: 3

Rising_Son
9:49am Sat 31 May 14

THE12THMAN wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs????? Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo??? Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice. Plus I can't stand Arsenal

I dislike them a lot less than the others. At least, they aspire to play attractive football. When did you last see Chelsea attempt something like that?

Attractive football counts for nothing if you don't win and I am afraid Chelsea know how to win,just ask the scousers.

I don't support either of them, so I don't particularly want them to be successful.

[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote: Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs????? Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo??? Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.[/p][/quote]They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice. Plus I can't stand Arsenal[/p][/quote]I dislike them a lot less than the others. At least, they aspire to play attractive football. When did you last see Chelsea attempt something like that?[/p][/quote]Attractive football counts for nothing if you don't win and I am afraid Chelsea know how to win,just ask the scousers.[/p][/quote]I don't support either of them, so I don't particularly want them to be successful.Rising_Son

THE12THMAN wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs????? Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo??? Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice. Plus I can't stand Arsenal

I dislike them a lot less than the others. At least, they aspire to play attractive football. When did you last see Chelsea attempt something like that?

Attractive football counts for nothing if you don't win and I am afraid Chelsea know how to win,just ask the scousers.

I don't support either of them, so I don't particularly want them to be successful.

Score: 3

swesaint
9:50am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice.
Plus I can't stand Arsenal

You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. And by the way Arsenal is a great example, they have the longest CL streak in the country and CL football seems to be what players are going for these days and they can compete on salaries. But as I said you missed the point, it could have been any club really.

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.[/p][/quote]They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice.
Plus I can't stand Arsenal[/p][/quote]You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. And by the way Arsenal is a great example, they have the longest CL streak in the country and CL football seems to be what players are going for these days and they can compete on salaries. But as I said you missed the point, it could have been any club really.swesaint

J7junctionseven wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

But, they do get into the Champions League every year, which is our goal.

They (Arsenal) have't made it past the round of 16 stage for the past 3 seasons and never won it? I just think they were probably a poor choice to use as an example when Chelsea ,Manure or even Diverpool would have been a better choice.
Plus I can't stand Arsenal

You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. And by the way Arsenal is a great example, they have the longest CL streak in the country and CL football seems to be what players are going for these days and they can compete on salaries. But as I said you missed the point, it could have been any club really.

Score: -2

Portland Saint
9:53am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

Arsenal have a 60,000+ stadium and a global marketing set up that generates £100M's a year allowing them to pay higher wages than SFC and attract players, they also have Champions Lge to offer and they still can't keep Sagna.

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]Arsenal have a 60,000+ stadium and a global marketing set up that generates £100M's a year allowing them to pay higher wages than SFC and attract players, they also have Champions Lge to offer and they still can't keep Sagna.Portland Saint

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

Arsenal have a 60,000+ stadium and a global marketing set up that generates £100M's a year allowing them to pay higher wages than SFC and attract players, they also have Champions Lge to offer and they still can't keep Sagna.

Score: 3

fritzer
9:53am Sat 31 May 14

Yes indeed Mr Rodgers you are aware as every one else that an asset like AL will be worth at least three fold after the word cup and not only by English clubs and the same goe's for Luke Shaw (probably more) and that's if England do well or not, You should pay him the same as Liverpool has offered, that is of course if he is happy at St Marys.
This will surley test Ralfy Boys ambitions for european football and indeed his resolve and ambitions for the club you can't loose on this one so NO more bull.

Yes indeed Mr Rodgers you are aware as every one else that an asset like AL will be worth at least three fold after the word cup and not only by English clubs and the same goe's for Luke Shaw (probably more) and that's if England do well or not, You should pay him the same as Liverpool has offered, that is of course if he is happy at St Marys.
This will surley test Ralfy Boys ambitions for european football and indeed his resolve and ambitions for the club you can't loose on this one so NO more bull.fritzer

Yes indeed Mr Rodgers you are aware as every one else that an asset like AL will be worth at least three fold after the word cup and not only by English clubs and the same goe's for Luke Shaw (probably more) and that's if England do well or not, You should pay him the same as Liverpool has offered, that is of course if he is happy at St Marys.
This will surley test Ralfy Boys ambitions for european football and indeed his resolve and ambitions for the club you can't loose on this one so NO more bull.

Score: 3

george chivers
9:55am Sat 31 May 14

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I am very frustrated about this as you are. But business manager are not employed to satisfy the best interests of the fans they are employed to act in the best interests of the owner.

[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]I am very frustrated about this as you are. But business manager are not employed to satisfy the best interests of the fans they are employed to act in the best interests of the owner.george chivers

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I am very frustrated about this as you are. But business manager are not employed to satisfy the best interests of the fans they are employed to act in the best interests of the owner.

Score: 4

NewForestStu
10:01am Sat 31 May 14

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Oh I do have to chuckle.....is it small mans syndrome you are suffering from?

[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote:
Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!
The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!
Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!
UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Oh I do have to chuckle.....is it small mans syndrome you are suffering from?NewForestStu

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Oh I do have to chuckle.....is it small mans syndrome you are suffering from?

Score: -1

Positively4thStreet
10:02am Sat 31 May 14

chapellady wrote…

With the Lambert business it makes me feel that the top clubs are in a cartel to stop Saints getting too much a threat. Wouldn't surprise me that they will pay £4 million for Lambert and never play him. He has been essential for us but they don't need him and its just damaging us and not improving them. I was at Wembley tonight and seeing Adam all pally with Sturridge and the others did make me feel jealous that they had all turned his head. Don't let him go for less than £30 million and tell them to do one.

Although it may sound slightly paranoid,the idea of a"Conspiracy Theory",almost has some weight.
All the pundits on MotD,seemed to know a month ago,that a fire sale at the club was almost inevitable.Why?
Added to that,no matter how well the team played,and we did on many occasions,the games were nearly always relegated to the graveyard end of the programme.
The media only grudgingly acknowledged how well the team were playing,simply because they had to,and usually only as a postscript after a lengthy discussion about the "off day" the team we'd just trounced,or made to look ordinary,had just had.
The idea that there may be a "cartel" amongst the top clubs in the Premiere League(I am not paid a retainer to throw in the word,Barclay's)to prevent other clubs usurping their positions-how dare they!-,almost has some credence.
Otherwise,why destroy a team that was rapidly emerging as a genuine contender for a place in the top four,that was ticking over nicely,and only needed a slight tweak,to make it purr?

[quote][p][bold]chapellady[/bold] wrote:
With the Lambert business it makes me feel that the top clubs are in a cartel to stop Saints getting too much a threat. Wouldn't surprise me that they will pay £4 million for Lambert and never play him. He has been essential for us but they don't need him and its just damaging us and not improving them. I was at Wembley tonight and seeing Adam all pally with Sturridge and the others did make me feel jealous that they had all turned his head. Don't let him go for less than £30 million and tell them to do one.[/p][/quote]Although it may sound slightly paranoid,the idea of a"Conspiracy Theory",almost has some weight.
All the pundits on MotD,seemed to know a month ago,that a fire sale at the club was almost inevitable.Why?
Added to that,no matter how well the team played,and we did on many occasions,the games were nearly always relegated to the graveyard end of the programme.
The media only grudgingly acknowledged how well the team were playing,simply because they had to,and usually only as a postscript after a lengthy discussion about the "off day" the team we'd just trounced,or made to look ordinary,had just had.
The idea that there may be a "cartel" amongst the top clubs in the Premiere League(I am not paid a retainer to throw in the word,Barclay's)to prevent other clubs usurping their positions-how dare they!-,almost has some credence.
Otherwise,why destroy a team that was rapidly emerging as a genuine contender for a place in the top four,that was ticking over nicely,and only needed a slight tweak,to make it purr?Positively4thStreet

chapellady wrote…

With the Lambert business it makes me feel that the top clubs are in a cartel to stop Saints getting too much a threat. Wouldn't surprise me that they will pay £4 million for Lambert and never play him. He has been essential for us but they don't need him and its just damaging us and not improving them. I was at Wembley tonight and seeing Adam all pally with Sturridge and the others did make me feel jealous that they had all turned his head. Don't let him go for less than £30 million and tell them to do one.

Although it may sound slightly paranoid,the idea of a"Conspiracy Theory",almost has some weight.
All the pundits on MotD,seemed to know a month ago,that a fire sale at the club was almost inevitable.Why?
Added to that,no matter how well the team played,and we did on many occasions,the games were nearly always relegated to the graveyard end of the programme.
The media only grudgingly acknowledged how well the team were playing,simply because they had to,and usually only as a postscript after a lengthy discussion about the "off day" the team we'd just trounced,or made to look ordinary,had just had.
The idea that there may be a "cartel" amongst the top clubs in the Premiere League(I am not paid a retainer to throw in the word,Barclay's)to prevent other clubs usurping their positions-how dare they!-,almost has some credence.
Otherwise,why destroy a team that was rapidly emerging as a genuine contender for a place in the top four,that was ticking over nicely,and only needed a slight tweak,to make it purr?

Score: 4

brighton saint
10:02am Sat 31 May 14

Costa Baz wrote…

The AA have issued the following warning.

Owing to the number of toys, being thrown out of prams, drivers are being advised to avoid the Southampton area.
It is feared that this problem may take some time, owing to so many of the toy throwers being convinced that it is the Southampton Way.
Should it be necessary to venture into the town centre, please drive with extreme caution, especially if approaching from the St Mary's direction, where the road is strewn with Sammy and Super Saint dolls.

Love it dude!!!

[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote:
The AA have issued the following warning.
Owing to the number of toys, being thrown out of prams, drivers are being advised to avoid the Southampton area.
It is feared that this problem may take some time, owing to so many of the toy throwers being convinced that it is the Southampton Way.
Should it be necessary to venture into the town centre, please drive with extreme caution, especially if approaching from the St Mary's direction, where the road is strewn with Sammy and Super Saint dolls.[/p][/quote]Love it dude!!!brighton saint

Costa Baz wrote…

The AA have issued the following warning.

Owing to the number of toys, being thrown out of prams, drivers are being advised to avoid the Southampton area.
It is feared that this problem may take some time, owing to so many of the toy throwers being convinced that it is the Southampton Way.
Should it be necessary to venture into the town centre, please drive with extreme caution, especially if approaching from the St Mary's direction, where the road is strewn with Sammy and Super Saint dolls.

Love it dude!!!

Score: 3

adscm
10:06am Sat 31 May 14

Littleton-Saint wrote…

I'd like the Daily Echo to give fans the vote on how well they think our current Board is performing!! In my opinion, our Board is wrecking our club. They should all resign and KL should sell the club to a new owner who actually cares about Saints. Selling all of our players at knock-downs is not acting in the best interest of the club.

Be careful what you wish for. Who's to say that the club will be sold to "a new owner that actually cares about Saints".

If KL was to sell, she wouldn't vet potential buyers based on their love or lack of love for the club. She would sell it to the person offering her the most money. That's called Business!

And before you ask her to sell anyway, remember when we were in administration and that Hedge Fund company (were they called CISCO or something similar?) put in a bid for the club? They eventually bought Coventry City and the fans (Coventry's, not ours) have hated them ever since for having no love or understanding of their club.

Football clubs are businesses to owners, not hobbies and passions! If Saints were sold, the best we could hope for would be a new owner with more money than KL. The sort of owners running Man. City, Chelsea and Arsenal etc.

[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
I'd like the Daily Echo to give fans the vote on how well they think our current Board is performing!! In my opinion, our Board is wrecking our club. They should all resign and KL should sell the club to a new owner who actually cares about Saints. Selling all of our players at knock-downs is not acting in the best interest of the club.[/p][/quote]Be careful what you wish for. Who's to say that the club will be sold to "a new owner that actually cares about Saints".
If KL was to sell, she wouldn't vet potential buyers based on their love or lack of love for the club. She would sell it to the person offering her the most money. That's called Business!
And before you ask her to sell anyway, remember when we were in administration and that Hedge Fund company (were they called CISCO or something similar?) put in a bid for the club? They eventually bought Coventry City and the fans (Coventry's, not ours) have hated them ever since for having no love or understanding of their club.
Football clubs are businesses to owners, not hobbies and passions! If Saints were sold, the best we could hope for would be a new owner with more money than KL. The sort of owners running Man. City, Chelsea and Arsenal etc.adscm

Littleton-Saint wrote…

I'd like the Daily Echo to give fans the vote on how well they think our current Board is performing!! In my opinion, our Board is wrecking our club. They should all resign and KL should sell the club to a new owner who actually cares about Saints. Selling all of our players at knock-downs is not acting in the best interest of the club.

Be careful what you wish for. Who's to say that the club will be sold to "a new owner that actually cares about Saints".

If KL was to sell, she wouldn't vet potential buyers based on their love or lack of love for the club. She would sell it to the person offering her the most money. That's called Business!

And before you ask her to sell anyway, remember when we were in administration and that Hedge Fund company (were they called CISCO or something similar?) put in a bid for the club? They eventually bought Coventry City and the fans (Coventry's, not ours) have hated them ever since for having no love or understanding of their club.

Football clubs are businesses to owners, not hobbies and passions! If Saints were sold, the best we could hope for would be a new owner with more money than KL. The sort of owners running Man. City, Chelsea and Arsenal etc.

Score: 1

Dave Brown
10:08am Sat 31 May 14

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

Spot on with your post.
Les Reed mada a statement that the club would not be selling any players until a new Manager was appointed.
If you wish to view just how successful Les Reed has been within the football world google him.
I would not want him on my board.
Krueger makes a statement about not having football club experience.Boy that is now well and truly being identified as the club is being rolled over by Liverpool FC.
If there one thing I cannot take in life is lies .
The news coming out of the Saints camp seems full of untruths.

[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.[/p][/quote]Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.[/p][/quote]Spot on with your post.
Les Reed mada a statement that the club would not be selling any players until a new Manager was appointed.
If you wish to view just how successful Les Reed has been within the football world google him.
I would not want him on my board.
Krueger makes a statement about not having football club experience.Boy that is now well and truly being identified as the club is being rolled over by Liverpool FC.
If there one thing I cannot take in life is lies .
The news coming out of the Saints camp seems full of untruths.Dave Brown

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

Spot on with your post.
Les Reed mada a statement that the club would not be selling any players until a new Manager was appointed.
If you wish to view just how successful Les Reed has been within the football world google him.
I would not want him on my board.
Krueger makes a statement about not having football club experience.Boy that is now well and truly being identified as the club is being rolled over by Liverpool FC.
If there one thing I cannot take in life is lies .
The news coming out of the Saints camp seems full of untruths.

Score: 0

J7junctionseven
2:08pm Sat 31 May 14

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz

That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.

Not really. It's in the can't be bothered to explain my self all over again to a self opinionated tw@t like you when you can read what I'd already posted to another person category.
No do me a favour and go bore someone else zzzzzzzzzzz

Self opinionated? Do you even understand what that means? Clearly not.

Do you always have the last word indoors with the missus.........Or are YOU the missus??

I'll repeat this one more time.......GO BORE SOMEONE ELSE you numpty

Why the unpleasantness?

Don't know why he's been at it for a while now

[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.[/p][/quote]He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.
Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?[/p][/quote]I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.[/p][/quote]See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.[/p][/quote]Not really. It's in the can't be bothered to explain my self all over again to a self opinionated tw@t like you when you can read what I'd already posted to another person category.
No do me a favour and go bore someone else zzzzzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]Self opinionated? Do you even understand what that means? Clearly not.[/p][/quote]Do you always have the last word indoors with the missus.........Or are YOU the missus??
I'll repeat this one more time.......GO BORE SOMEONE ELSE you numpty[/p][/quote]Why the unpleasantness?[/p][/quote]Don't know why he's been at it for a while nowJ7junctionseven

Rising_Son wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz

That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.

Not really. It's in the can't be bothered to explain my self all over again to a self opinionated tw@t like you when you can read what I'd already posted to another person category.
No do me a favour and go bore someone else zzzzzzzzzzz

Self opinionated? Do you even understand what that means? Clearly not.

Do you always have the last word indoors with the missus.........Or are YOU the missus??

I'll repeat this one more time.......GO BORE SOMEONE ELSE you numpty

Why the unpleasantness?

Don't know why he's been at it for a while now

Score: -1

ADSFC72
10:09am Sat 31 May 14

I have read through most of these and there are a couple of points to make. If the club were asset stripping, they why did they agree to redevelope the training facilities. Now, there have been stories about it being twice the original budget, but they have still continued to fund a £30M project, if they wanted to asset strip, then they would not have done this in the first place.
There has also been a lot in the media about financial fair play, for which we are not immune, we are led to believe that we have to pay somewhere in the region of £20M in unpaid transfer fees this year, so like any good business you need to self fund. Let's not kid ourselves, do you really expect the Leiber family to keep chucking money into a club with no return or would you expect them to keep us as a well run financial unit and control our debts, as we all know where we were five years ago when we didn't.
The players have all had a good season and yes their heads would have been turned, RL is understandable, by Lallana cannot stop bids coming in for him, neither has he asked for a transfer yet and nor has anyone else, the media is trying to sell our players and not the club.

I have read through most of these and there are a couple of points to make. If the club were asset stripping, they why did they agree to redevelope the training facilities. Now, there have been stories about it being twice the original budget, but they have still continued to fund a £30M project, if they wanted to asset strip, then they would not have done this in the first place.
There has also been a lot in the media about financial fair play, for which we are not immune, we are led to believe that we have to pay somewhere in the region of £20M in unpaid transfer fees this year, so like any good business you need to self fund. Let's not kid ourselves, do you really expect the Leiber family to keep chucking money into a club with no return or would you expect them to keep us as a well run financial unit and control our debts, as we all know where we were five years ago when we didn't.
The players have all had a good season and yes their heads would have been turned, RL is understandable, by Lallana cannot stop bids coming in for him, neither has he asked for a transfer yet and nor has anyone else, the media is trying to sell our players and not the club.ADSFC72

I have read through most of these and there are a couple of points to make. If the club were asset stripping, they why did they agree to redevelope the training facilities. Now, there have been stories about it being twice the original budget, but they have still continued to fund a £30M project, if they wanted to asset strip, then they would not have done this in the first place.
There has also been a lot in the media about financial fair play, for which we are not immune, we are led to believe that we have to pay somewhere in the region of £20M in unpaid transfer fees this year, so like any good business you need to self fund. Let's not kid ourselves, do you really expect the Leiber family to keep chucking money into a club with no return or would you expect them to keep us as a well run financial unit and control our debts, as we all know where we were five years ago when we didn't.
The players have all had a good season and yes their heads would have been turned, RL is understandable, by Lallana cannot stop bids coming in for him, neither has he asked for a transfer yet and nor has anyone else, the media is trying to sell our players and not the club.

Score: 8

miltonarcher
10:11am Sat 31 May 14

Can I just check something? Did I dream it or did we actually finish 8 th? I only ask because these sort of player sales usually only happen when a club is relegated. Hope someone can clarify it for me.

Can I just check something? Did I dream it or did we actually finish 8 th? I only ask because these sort of player sales usually only happen when a club is relegated. Hope someone can clarify it for me.miltonarcher

Can I just check something? Did I dream it or did we actually finish 8 th? I only ask because these sort of player sales usually only happen when a club is relegated. Hope someone can clarify it for me.

Score: -4

Clever Dick
10:12am Sat 31 May 14

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.

[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.[/p][/quote]Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.[/p][/quote]What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.
I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.
I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....[/p][/quote]Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.Clever Dick

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.

Score: 4

Mikedixon7
10:12am Sat 31 May 14

He's gone already !

He's gone already !Mikedixon7

He's gone already !

Score: 0

tennisaint
10:17am Sat 31 May 14

I AM SORRY TO SAY WE ARE A SELLING CLUB AND I CANNOT SEE IT EVER CHANGING . I WONDER WHAT THE FANS WILL DO. A LOT HAVE PAID FOR THEIR SEASON TICKETS FOR THE HOPE TO SEE MORE OF THE SAME AND HOPE TO SEE US IN EUROPE. BUT NOW THE HEART IS BEING RIPPED OUT OF US . IT'S GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER SEASON TO REBUILD I HOPE OUR YOUNG GUNS ARE READY

I AM SORRY TO SAY WE ARE A SELLING CLUB AND I CANNOT SEE IT EVER CHANGING . I WONDER WHAT THE FANS WILL DO. A LOT HAVE PAID FOR THEIR SEASON TICKETS FOR THE HOPE TO SEE MORE OF THE SAME AND HOPE TO SEE US IN EUROPE. BUT NOW THE HEART IS BEING RIPPED OUT OF US . IT'S GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER SEASON TO REBUILD I HOPE OUR YOUNG GUNS ARE READYtennisaint

I AM SORRY TO SAY WE ARE A SELLING CLUB AND I CANNOT SEE IT EVER CHANGING . I WONDER WHAT THE FANS WILL DO. A LOT HAVE PAID FOR THEIR SEASON TICKETS FOR THE HOPE TO SEE MORE OF THE SAME AND HOPE TO SEE US IN EUROPE. BUT NOW THE HEART IS BEING RIPPED OUT OF US . IT'S GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER SEASON TO REBUILD I HOPE OUR YOUNG GUNS ARE READY

Score: -3

Spudsaint
10:35am Sat 31 May 14

The writing's been on the wall since Cortese left. He was the driving force behind the whole project and his departure the signal that Katherina Liebherr had lost interest. Despite all the noises from the Board designed to maintain stakeholder confidence I've felt for sometime that the next (18 month?) plan is to asset strip the club and realise as much value as possible before selling on the club. Sell off the player assets first to maximise the value and then the club as a viable Premier League 'franchise'. Cortese knew this and walked. Pochettino knew this and walked. Senior players know this and are walking. There will still be enough buyer interest in the club, stadium and training ground as long as we maintain our Premier League status. RK will be appointing a manager with the aim of keeping us up long enough to sell the club for KL. Sorry. Doom and gloom I know but that's how I see it.

The writing's been on the wall since Cortese left. He was the driving force behind the whole project and his departure the signal that Katherina Liebherr had lost interest. Despite all the noises from the Board designed to maintain stakeholder confidence I've felt for sometime that the next (18 month?) plan is to asset strip the club and realise as much value as possible before selling on the club. Sell off the player assets first to maximise the value and then the club as a viable Premier League 'franchise'. Cortese knew this and walked. Pochettino knew this and walked. Senior players know this and are walking. There will still be enough buyer interest in the club, stadium and training ground as long as we maintain our Premier League status. RK will be appointing a manager with the aim of keeping us up long enough to sell the club for KL. Sorry. Doom and gloom I know but that's how I see it.Spudsaint

The writing's been on the wall since Cortese left. He was the driving force behind the whole project and his departure the signal that Katherina Liebherr had lost interest. Despite all the noises from the Board designed to maintain stakeholder confidence I've felt for sometime that the next (18 month?) plan is to asset strip the club and realise as much value as possible before selling on the club. Sell off the player assets first to maximise the value and then the club as a viable Premier League 'franchise'. Cortese knew this and walked. Pochettino knew this and walked. Senior players know this and are walking. There will still be enough buyer interest in the club, stadium and training ground as long as we maintain our Premier League status. RK will be appointing a manager with the aim of keeping us up long enough to sell the club for KL. Sorry. Doom and gloom I know but that's how I see it.

Score: 0

Thankyounicola
10:39am Sat 31 May 14

How we miss you Nicola. Cannot believe the current board is even considering an offer for a player like Adam Lallana. Our captain with a lion's heart and technically one of the most gifted players in the country. He should not be sale for any amount. Player's player of the year, fans player of the year, goal of the year and a truly inspirational saint.

What's wrong with you the saints board??

Adam epitomises saints and is at the peak of his career!!! If he wants to go then convince him to stay because no other player loves saints as much Adam does!!

How we miss you Nicola. Cannot believe the current board is even considering an offer for a player like Adam Lallana. Our captain with a lion's heart and technically one of the most gifted players in the country. He should not be sale for any amount. Player's player of the year, fans player of the year, goal of the year and a truly inspirational saint.
What's wrong with you the saints board??
Adam epitomises saints and is at the peak of his career!!! If he wants to go then convince him to stay because no other player loves saints as much Adam does!!Thankyounicola

How we miss you Nicola. Cannot believe the current board is even considering an offer for a player like Adam Lallana. Our captain with a lion's heart and technically one of the most gifted players in the country. He should not be sale for any amount. Player's player of the year, fans player of the year, goal of the year and a truly inspirational saint.

What's wrong with you the saints board??

Adam epitomises saints and is at the peak of his career!!! If he wants to go then convince him to stay because no other player loves saints as much Adam does!!

Score: 4

Jan28th1984
10:42am Sat 31 May 14

No sale.
Bog off.

No sale.
Bog off.Jan28th1984

No sale.
Bog off.

Score: 5

BigBugBuzzz
10:42am Sat 31 May 14

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.

I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.

I'm pretty sure I do understand the concept of a single voice and crowd intelligence. But, unless those with less common opinions accept that the group will act on the basis of the most common, but not necessarily infallible, opinion, it isn't going to get anywhere.

Interesting. I see your point about not everyone having opinions consistent with the single voice, and these might even be experts, but I actually think fans of football clubs have some insight into what is good, at least on the field.

And I see that there will be those who opt out because they find they simply don't share the views of the crowd, but the crowd still remains (if they accept their own opinion), so to say it breaks down is too hasty.

[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.[/p][/quote]I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.
But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.
The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...[/p][/quote]I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.[/p][/quote]I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure I do understand the concept of a single voice and crowd intelligence. But, unless those with less common opinions accept that the group will act on the basis of the most common, but not necessarily infallible, opinion, it isn't going to get anywhere.[/p][/quote]Interesting. I see your point about not everyone having opinions consistent with the single voice, and these might even be experts, but I actually think fans of football clubs have some insight into what is good, at least on the field.
And I see that there will be those who opt out because they find they simply don't share the views of the crowd, but the crowd still remains (if they accept their own opinion), so to say it breaks down is too hasty.BigBugBuzzz

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.

I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.

I'm pretty sure I do understand the concept of a single voice and crowd intelligence. But, unless those with less common opinions accept that the group will act on the basis of the most common, but not necessarily infallible, opinion, it isn't going to get anywhere.

Interesting. I see your point about not everyone having opinions consistent with the single voice, and these might even be experts, but I actually think fans of football clubs have some insight into what is good, at least on the field.

And I see that there will be those who opt out because they find they simply don't share the views of the crowd, but the crowd still remains (if they accept their own opinion), so to say it breaks down is too hasty.

Score: 0

miltonarcher
10:43am Sat 31 May 14

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Just remind us all of the loss made by afcb. Ooooops you cant remember, let me remind you, it's 15 million. Looks like you could be heading the same way as PFC

[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote:
Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!
The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!
Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!
UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Just remind us all of the loss made by afcb. Ooooops you cant remember, let me remind you, it's 15 million. Looks like you could be heading the same way as PFCmiltonarcher

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Just remind us all of the loss made by afcb. Ooooops you cant remember, let me remind you, it's 15 million. Looks like you could be heading the same way as PFC

Score: -6

BigBugBuzzz
10:44am Sat 31 May 14

Thankyounicola wrote…

How we miss you Nicola. Cannot believe the current board is even considering an offer for a player like Adam Lallana. Our captain with a lion's heart and technically one of the most gifted players in the country. He should not be sale for any amount. Player's player of the year, fans player of the year, goal of the year and a truly inspirational saint.

What's wrong with you the saints board??

Adam epitomises saints and is at the peak of his career!!! If he wants to go then convince him to stay because no other player loves saints as much Adam does!!

They are deaf...

[quote][p][bold]Thankyounicola[/bold] wrote:
How we miss you Nicola. Cannot believe the current board is even considering an offer for a player like Adam Lallana. Our captain with a lion's heart and technically one of the most gifted players in the country. He should not be sale for any amount. Player's player of the year, fans player of the year, goal of the year and a truly inspirational saint.
What's wrong with you the saints board??
Adam epitomises saints and is at the peak of his career!!! If he wants to go then convince him to stay because no other player loves saints as much Adam does!![/p][/quote]They are deaf...BigBugBuzzz

Thankyounicola wrote…

How we miss you Nicola. Cannot believe the current board is even considering an offer for a player like Adam Lallana. Our captain with a lion's heart and technically one of the most gifted players in the country. He should not be sale for any amount. Player's player of the year, fans player of the year, goal of the year and a truly inspirational saint.

What's wrong with you the saints board??

Adam epitomises saints and is at the peak of his career!!! If he wants to go then convince him to stay because no other player loves saints as much Adam does!!

They are deaf...

Score: 2

thinklikealocal
10:50am Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz

That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.[/p][/quote]He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.
Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?[/p][/quote]I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.[/p][/quote]See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.thinklikealocal

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz

That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.

Score: -3

The Rise of The Foot Soldier.
3:46pm Sat 31 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Realitycheck53 wrote…

The correct response to such an ultimatum is of course to tell them to stick it where the sun dont shine. So lets see Mr Krueger if you are in control, as you say you are. I really hope so. Tell them we are more than happy to keep Adam the Llama. Liverpoo are clearly worried that his price will rise and interest will soar after the World Cup. Which of course - it will. If Mata is worth £40m then the Llama has got to be worth £35m or no sale. The same applies to Luke Shaw - £35m or no sale. The answer for Calvin Klein and Hovrin should be a succinct "Niet". Now if Liverpool want Dani the Assassin - thats another ball game altogether......

Absolutely. We are in no rush, now if Liverpool and Man U are well that's their problem. Transfers are nearly all completed at the end of the window as it's like house chains, you don't sell until your replacement has been identified and the deal done. How many other transfers have occurred around the Prem so far? Our board seem to get panicked and bullied into playing the tune of the buying club. Here's their chance to show us all their mettle.

With RA1 in SOUTHAMPTON - Message to follow:

A CLEAR STATEMENT FROM THE BOARD

NO PLAYER TRANSACTIONS UNTIL NEW MANAGER IN PLACE

Any more will destabilise the New Managers position.

LALLANA IS NOT REPLACEABLE AND HAS JUST SIGNED A NEW DEAL

WE FIGHT TO PROGRESS TO EUROPEAN FOOTBALL

RED ARMY 2014
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
FIGHT AND WIN.

[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Realitycheck53[/bold] wrote:
The correct response to such an ultimatum is of course to tell them to stick it where the sun dont shine. So lets see Mr Krueger if you are in control, as you say you are. I really hope so. Tell them we are more than happy to keep Adam the Llama. Liverpoo are clearly worried that his price will rise and interest will soar after the World Cup. Which of course - it will. If Mata is worth £40m then the Llama has got to be worth £35m or no sale. The same applies to Luke Shaw - £35m or no sale. The answer for Calvin Klein and Hovrin should be a succinct "Niet". Now if Liverpool want Dani the Assassin - thats another ball game altogether......[/p][/quote]Absolutely. We are in no rush, now if Liverpool and Man U are well that's their problem. Transfers are nearly all completed at the end of the window as it's like house chains, you don't sell until your replacement has been identified and the deal done. How many other transfers have occurred around the Prem so far? Our board seem to get panicked and bullied into playing the tune of the buying club. Here's their chance to show us all their mettle.[/p][/quote]With RA1 in SOUTHAMPTON - Message to follow:
A CLEAR STATEMENT FROM THE BOARD
NO PLAYER TRANSACTIONS UNTIL NEW MANAGER IN PLACE
Any more will destabilise the New Managers position.
LALLANA IS NOT REPLACEABLE AND HAS JUST SIGNED A NEW DEAL
WE FIGHT TO PROGRESS TO EUROPEAN FOOTBALL
RED ARMY 2014
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
FIGHT AND WIN.The Rise of The Foot Soldier.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Realitycheck53 wrote…

The correct response to such an ultimatum is of course to tell them to stick it where the sun dont shine. So lets see Mr Krueger if you are in control, as you say you are. I really hope so. Tell them we are more than happy to keep Adam the Llama. Liverpoo are clearly worried that his price will rise and interest will soar after the World Cup. Which of course - it will. If Mata is worth £40m then the Llama has got to be worth £35m or no sale. The same applies to Luke Shaw - £35m or no sale. The answer for Calvin Klein and Hovrin should be a succinct "Niet". Now if Liverpool want Dani the Assassin - thats another ball game altogether......

Absolutely. We are in no rush, now if Liverpool and Man U are well that's their problem. Transfers are nearly all completed at the end of the window as it's like house chains, you don't sell until your replacement has been identified and the deal done. How many other transfers have occurred around the Prem so far? Our board seem to get panicked and bullied into playing the tune of the buying club. Here's their chance to show us all their mettle.

With RA1 in SOUTHAMPTON - Message to follow:

A CLEAR STATEMENT FROM THE BOARD

NO PLAYER TRANSACTIONS UNTIL NEW MANAGER IN PLACE

Any more will destabilise the New Managers position.

LALLANA IS NOT REPLACEABLE AND HAS JUST SIGNED A NEW DEAL

WE FIGHT TO PROGRESS TO EUROPEAN FOOTBALL

RED ARMY 2014
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
FIGHT AND WIN.

Score: 10

swesaint
10:47am Sat 31 May 14

upwherewebelong wrote…

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote…

They will all be sold if the price is right ,must be obvious to even the dimmest.

Bobs the problem is due to staggering stupidity the club aren't getting the right prices. krueger. Liebherr et al are remarkably out of their depth. For example.

West ham offer SEVEN million in January under Cortese which apparently was accepted Liverpool offer 4 Million in May how has Ricky lost 3million in value.

Exhibit B - The loss of Adidas as kit manufacturer. Hardly a sign of a well run board that knows what's it doing

Exhibit C - Veho as a main club sponsor - seriously who sanctioned that after AAP3 again who were they ? Come on Saints it's not difficult get a proper sponsor.

Exhibit D - A blatant lack of desire to hold on to players. Krueger needs to be told you can't say one thing then do another. If he wants to sell players then at least just come out and say that the club want to sell players. I'd not like it one bit but at least i'd respect him for telling the truth.

Exhibit E - STILL no new manager come on Saints get a shift on and act quicker to replace this key position.

The sad reality is beginning to hit home that he doesn't feel anything for the fans or club and is out of his depth.

For those woried that if KL sees the rise of an anti KL faction and decides to sell so what. She's hardly backing the club is she. You can't sell your best players before getting replacements no other club in the Premier League acts in this way other than Newcastle and look at the impact selling Cabaye without getting a replacement first had.

Wow this was deluded, will there be no end to this meltdown?
So A, you have no idea what west ham may or may not have offered.
B, the relationship with Adidas was wrecked by the previous board by all accounts and was not salvageable. Are you concerned on other company can sew up a kit for us?
C, for us it's more important what we get commercially than to put one of your favourite brands on our shirt. I suspect it would be special brew.
D, selling a 32 year old who was showered with stick at times last season is now a blatant desire to not hold on to players.
E, No new manager is a good sign, I for one would not want such a key position rushed.

[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote:
They will all be sold if the price is right ,must be obvious to even the dimmest.[/p][/quote]Bobs the problem is due to staggering stupidity the club aren't getting the right prices. krueger. Liebherr et al are remarkably out of their depth. For example.
West ham offer SEVEN million in January under Cortese which apparently was accepted Liverpool offer 4 Million in May how has Ricky lost 3million in value.
Exhibit B - The loss of Adidas as kit manufacturer. Hardly a sign of a well run board that knows what's it doing
Exhibit C - Veho as a main club sponsor - seriously who sanctioned that after AAP3 again who were they ? Come on Saints it's not difficult get a proper sponsor.
Exhibit D - A blatant lack of desire to hold on to players. Krueger needs to be told you can't say one thing then do another. If he wants to sell players then at least just come out and say that the club want to sell players. I'd not like it one bit but at least i'd respect him for telling the truth.
Exhibit E - STILL no new manager come on Saints get a shift on and act quicker to replace this key position.
The sad reality is beginning to hit home that he doesn't feel anything for the fans or club and is out of his depth.
For those woried that if KL sees the rise of an anti KL faction and decides to sell so what. She's hardly backing the club is she. You can't sell your best players before getting replacements no other club in the Premier League acts in this way other than Newcastle and look at the impact selling Cabaye without getting a replacement first had.[/p][/quote]Wow this was deluded, will there be no end to this meltdown?
So A, you have no idea what west ham may or may not have offered.
B, the relationship with Adidas was wrecked by the previous board by all accounts and was not salvageable. Are you concerned on other company can sew up a kit for us?
C, for us it's more important what we get commercially than to put one of your favourite brands on our shirt. I suspect it would be special brew.
D, selling a 32 year old who was showered with stick at times last season is now a blatant desire to not hold on to players.
E, No new manager is a good sign, I for one would not want such a key position rushed.swesaint

upwherewebelong wrote…

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote…

They will all be sold if the price is right ,must be obvious to even the dimmest.

Bobs the problem is due to staggering stupidity the club aren't getting the right prices. krueger. Liebherr et al are remarkably out of their depth. For example.

West ham offer SEVEN million in January under Cortese which apparently was accepted Liverpool offer 4 Million in May how has Ricky lost 3million in value.

Exhibit B - The loss of Adidas as kit manufacturer. Hardly a sign of a well run board that knows what's it doing

Exhibit C - Veho as a main club sponsor - seriously who sanctioned that after AAP3 again who were they ? Come on Saints it's not difficult get a proper sponsor.

Exhibit D - A blatant lack of desire to hold on to players. Krueger needs to be told you can't say one thing then do another. If he wants to sell players then at least just come out and say that the club want to sell players. I'd not like it one bit but at least i'd respect him for telling the truth.

Exhibit E - STILL no new manager come on Saints get a shift on and act quicker to replace this key position.

The sad reality is beginning to hit home that he doesn't feel anything for the fans or club and is out of his depth.

For those woried that if KL sees the rise of an anti KL faction and decides to sell so what. She's hardly backing the club is she. You can't sell your best players before getting replacements no other club in the Premier League acts in this way other than Newcastle and look at the impact selling Cabaye without getting a replacement first had.

Wow this was deluded, will there be no end to this meltdown?
So A, you have no idea what west ham may or may not have offered.
B, the relationship with Adidas was wrecked by the previous board by all accounts and was not salvageable. Are you concerned on other company can sew up a kit for us?
C, for us it's more important what we get commercially than to put one of your favourite brands on our shirt. I suspect it would be special brew.
D, selling a 32 year old who was showered with stick at times last season is now a blatant desire to not hold on to players.
E, No new manager is a good sign, I for one would not want such a key position rushed.

Score: 8

Jan28th1984
10:52am Sat 31 May 14

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club! The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours! Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die! UTCIAD

Hiya you witless tw@t - how's Grabban getting on these days? x

[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote:
Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club! The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours! Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die! UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Hiya you witless tw@t - how's Grabban getting on these days? xJan28th1984

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club! The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours! Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die! UTCIAD

Hiya you witless tw@t - how's Grabban getting on these days? x

Score: -2

OSPREYSAINT
3:19pm Sat 31 May 14

deepheat wrote…

Saints are not growing as a club, they are rebuilding and we all know what that means. A long hard struggle as our new Saints players and manager try to adapt to the EPL. It's like we have just got promotion from the Championship and are competing with Leicester City, QPR, and Burnley to survive in the Premiership.

Christian Gross is now 3rd favourite to be manager ffs. All the managers that have been mentioned so far Steve McClaren, Ronald Koeman, Neil Lennon, Oscar Garcia are mediocre at best.

RK is new to football and doesn't fool any Saints fan with empty words. Talk is cheap. What we need is action. Come on RK give us something to get excited about and don't talk sh-ite.

I agree, lack of clarity and a dearth of actual action is the problem, but once the new Manager is in, we will at least see some light at the end of the tunnel, I like to be realistic, this could go either way, improvement will take longer than failure which will be very quick if the right action isn't carried out. We will just have to sit and wait and accept whatever is thrown at us, I like to think that there are some exciting times ahead but I am not holding my breath. I demand good news, I want it now.

[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote:
Saints are not growing as a club, they are rebuilding and we all know what that means. A long hard struggle as our new Saints players and manager try to adapt to the EPL. It's like we have just got promotion from the Championship and are competing with Leicester City, QPR, and Burnley to survive in the Premiership.
Christian Gross is now 3rd favourite to be manager ffs. All the managers that have been mentioned so far Steve McClaren, Ronald Koeman, Neil Lennon, Oscar Garcia are mediocre at best.
RK is new to football and doesn't fool any Saints fan with empty words. Talk is cheap. What we need is action. Come on RK give us something to get excited about and don't talk sh-ite.[/p][/quote]I agree, lack of clarity and a dearth of actual action is the problem, but once the new Manager is in, we will at least see some light at the end of the tunnel, I like to be realistic, this could go either way, improvement will take longer than failure which will be very quick if the right action isn't carried out. We will just have to sit and wait and accept whatever is thrown at us, I like to think that there are some exciting times ahead but I am not holding my breath. I demand good news, I want it now.OSPREYSAINT

deepheat wrote…

Saints are not growing as a club, they are rebuilding and we all know what that means. A long hard struggle as our new Saints players and manager try to adapt to the EPL. It's like we have just got promotion from the Championship and are competing with Leicester City, QPR, and Burnley to survive in the Premiership.

Christian Gross is now 3rd favourite to be manager ffs. All the managers that have been mentioned so far Steve McClaren, Ronald Koeman, Neil Lennon, Oscar Garcia are mediocre at best.

RK is new to football and doesn't fool any Saints fan with empty words. Talk is cheap. What we need is action. Come on RK give us something to get excited about and don't talk sh-ite.

I agree, lack of clarity and a dearth of actual action is the problem, but once the new Manager is in, we will at least see some light at the end of the tunnel, I like to be realistic, this could go either way, improvement will take longer than failure which will be very quick if the right action isn't carried out. We will just have to sit and wait and accept whatever is thrown at us, I like to think that there are some exciting times ahead but I am not holding my breath. I demand good news, I want it now.

Score: 2

Seedhouse the Unrepentant
10:57am Sat 31 May 14

Clever Dick wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.

If he was going for £70k a week I'd agree with you, but he's not. He's going for £40k a week, he's on £35k here so not really life changing is it?

Lallana was prepared to stay if we paid appropriate wages. Liverpool are offering £70k a week, he's on £35k here. Can't afford it? Remind me what we were paying that tosser Osvaldo?

[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.[/p][/quote]Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.[/p][/quote]What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.
I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.
I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....[/p][/quote]Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.[/p][/quote]If he was going for £70k a week I'd agree with you, but he's not. He's going for £40k a week, he's on £35k here so not really life changing is it?
Lallana was prepared to stay if we paid appropriate wages. Liverpool are offering £70k a week, he's on £35k here. Can't afford it? Remind me what we were paying that tosser Osvaldo?Seedhouse the Unrepentant

Clever Dick wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.

If he was going for £70k a week I'd agree with you, but he's not. He's going for £40k a week, he's on £35k here so not really life changing is it?

Lallana was prepared to stay if we paid appropriate wages. Liverpool are offering £70k a week, he's on £35k here. Can't afford it? Remind me what we were paying that tosser Osvaldo?

Score: 7

J7junctionseven
10:58am Sat 31 May 14

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Silly small brained numpty from a silly small club trying to be a copycat skate tw@t...... what a clown.....play up bompey...ha ha ha

[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote:
Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!
The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!
Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!
UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Silly small brained numpty from a silly small club trying to be a copycat skate tw@t...... what a clown.....play up bompey...ha ha haJ7junctionseven

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Silly small brained numpty from a silly small club trying to be a copycat skate tw@t...... what a clown.....play up bompey...ha ha ha

Score: -1

Rising_Son
10:58am Sat 31 May 14

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.

I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.

I'm pretty sure I do understand the concept of a single voice and crowd intelligence. But, unless those with less common opinions accept that the group will act on the basis of the most common, but not necessarily infallible, opinion, it isn't going to get anywhere.

Interesting. I see your point about not everyone having opinions consistent with the single voice, and these might even be experts, but I actually think fans of football clubs have some insight into what is good, at least on the field.

And I see that there will be those who opt out because they find they simply don't share the views of the crowd, but the crowd still remains (if they accept their own opinion), so to say it breaks down is too hasty.

Look at the other end of the M27.

[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.[/p][/quote]I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.
But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.
The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...[/p][/quote]I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.[/p][/quote]I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure I do understand the concept of a single voice and crowd intelligence. But, unless those with less common opinions accept that the group will act on the basis of the most common, but not necessarily infallible, opinion, it isn't going to get anywhere.[/p][/quote]Interesting. I see your point about not everyone having opinions consistent with the single voice, and these might even be experts, but I actually think fans of football clubs have some insight into what is good, at least on the field.
And I see that there will be those who opt out because they find they simply don't share the views of the crowd, but the crowd still remains (if they accept their own opinion), so to say it breaks down is too hasty.[/p][/quote]Look at the other end of the M27.Rising_Son

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

Rising_Son wrote…

BigBugBuzzz wrote…

montecristosaint wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

I did warn you guys weeks ago about Krueger and Reed but you would not listen to me but I am not here to score points.
If we had a decent supporters association we could lobby the owner but as I remember fans lost interest in it.Perhaps it is time for it to be revived as it might give us some leverage with the administration of the club. It is just a thought but you could do worse than revive its activity. I cant remember but I seem to remember that there was someone called Perry Mc Millan who was the spokesman, forgive me if I have got that wrong. I do think that people like Confucious and Seedhouse amongst others could be encouraged to get involved, hold fresh elections and generally get organized. You could try asking Matt Le Tiss to act as President or Benali. The point I am making is that we run the risk of being steam rollered by an owner who really is not interested in the club beyond what she can claw back. I dont want to see the club back in the same old mess it was in in the Lowe days and now that things are at a pretty low ebb you just might find that fans will support you. I cant help much, I am not in the UK otherwise I would assist if it became clear that that was what fans wanted. What seems to be happening is really tragic I cant recall a time when the club had such talent at the club as it does now. I strongly feel fans should do something positive and I dont mean demonstrate but organize collectively so that you can influence the decision making process. I hate to put it this way but you would be surprised how much influence you then might have if your members supported you when dealing with the club owner. it would only take one bad attendance on a saturday for the owner to realize that perhaps she would be better off listening to the fans a little more. it is far from clear what her intentions are, but the signs are not great the administration seem to be resorting to spin which makes me feel uncomfortable.if I could volunteer an opinion from a legal point of view it would be to ensure that the supporters association statutes guarantee democratic process, as I recall that the lack of it caused the old association to wither away as people lost interest through certain individuals throwing their weight around. Make sure it has a committee structure, one man one vote and that no one has executive powers beyond what is essential.
Guys give this careful thought. I am sure the Echo would give you free publicity,and help you convene meetings or assemblies.
If you ask I can help a little from here perhaps reviewing documentation or whatever.
In the meantime fingers crossed that the board behave honorably.

I think you are exactly right. What is happening right now is nothing short of a tragedy. Fans have so much invested in the club, not only money but feelings, habits, and family traditions. I too sense the use of spin.

But I don't think an old fashioned approach will work. If we can instead harness new technology, we might have a chance to really form an entity to balance the power of the owner.

The possibilities are there to create an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club. Members would agree to the democratic opinion, which means, for example, that in a situation like the present, the single voice of member fans might decide to cut all revenue streams until a dialogue with the club is initiated...

I think, as this site shows, there is little in the way of a "single voice of the fans". There is also the problem of the credibility of the leadership, a problem that led to the demise of previous efforts along these lines. A further problem would be to prevent "an intermediary, which handles all transactions between member fans and the club", for becoming an intermediary, which controls all transactions between member fans and the club.

I think you misunderstand the concept of a single voice. It rarely is single in the sense of there being no variance. But the most common opinion usually has some merit.

I'm pretty sure I do understand the concept of a single voice and crowd intelligence. But, unless those with less common opinions accept that the group will act on the basis of the most common, but not necessarily infallible, opinion, it isn't going to get anywhere.

Interesting. I see your point about not everyone having opinions consistent with the single voice, and these might even be experts, but I actually think fans of football clubs have some insight into what is good, at least on the field.

And I see that there will be those who opt out because they find they simply don't share the views of the crowd, but the crowd still remains (if they accept their own opinion), so to say it breaks down is too hasty.

Look at the other end of the M27.

Score: 1

NewForestStu
11:04am Sat 31 May 14

Jan28th1984 wrote…

No sale.
Bog off.

O apologies for this but in the current climate i feel we should not be putting BOGOF into the minds of Ralph and Les.

[quote][p][bold]Jan28th1984[/bold] wrote:
No sale.
Bog off.[/p][/quote]O apologies for this but in the current climate i feel we should not be putting BOGOF into the minds of Ralph and Les.NewForestStu

Jan28th1984 wrote…

No sale.
Bog off.

O apologies for this but in the current climate i feel we should not be putting BOGOF into the minds of Ralph and Les.

Score: 4

thinklikealocal
11:05am Sat 31 May 14

Littleton-Saint wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Bring it on - let her sell to someone who will build the club rather than liquidate it.

And you're quite sure that would happen under a new buyer are you? Careful what you wish for. We might get a real gem of an owner...... We know there is real 'quality' out there waiting to purchase.....ask Coventry or Cardiff..... Or maybe our friends down the road......

[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.[/p][/quote]Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.[/p][/quote]What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.
I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.
I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....[/p][/quote]Bring it on - let her sell to someone who will build the club rather than liquidate it.[/p][/quote]And you're quite sure that would happen under a new buyer are you? Careful what you wish for. We might get a real gem of an owner...... We know there is real 'quality' out there waiting to purchase.....ask Coventry or Cardiff..... Or maybe our friends down the road......thinklikealocal

Littleton-Saint wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Bring it on - let her sell to someone who will build the club rather than liquidate it.

And you're quite sure that would happen under a new buyer are you? Careful what you wish for. We might get a real gem of an owner...... We know there is real 'quality' out there waiting to purchase.....ask Coventry or Cardiff..... Or maybe our friends down the road......

Score: 0

OSPREYSAINT
11:10am Sat 31 May 14

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.OSPREYSAINT

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
.......and sleep

[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.[/p][/quote]zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
.......and sleepJ7junctionseven

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
.......and sleep

Score: 0

Seedhouse the Unrepentant
11:29am Sat 31 May 14

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.

Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.

Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.

[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.[/p][/quote]Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.
Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.
Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.Seedhouse the Unrepentant

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.

Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.

Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.

Score: 2

OSPREYSAINT
11:34am Sat 31 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.

Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.

Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.

Quitter! Never expected this kind of negativity from you of all people. I will still reserve my judgement until you are proved right or wrong. This site sucks at the moment, I guess I will take a break before I end up being as negative and abusive as the rest, at this rate you lot don't deserve to have a good Football club.

[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.[/p][/quote]Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.
Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.
Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.[/p][/quote]Quitter! Never expected this kind of negativity from you of all people. I will still reserve my judgement until you are proved right or wrong. This site sucks at the moment, I guess I will take a break before I end up being as negative and abusive as the rest, at this rate you lot don't deserve to have a good Football club.OSPREYSAINT

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.

Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.

Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.

Quitter! Never expected this kind of negativity from you of all people. I will still reserve my judgement until you are proved right or wrong. This site sucks at the moment, I guess I will take a break before I end up being as negative and abusive as the rest, at this rate you lot don't deserve to have a good Football club.

Score: 3

Rising_Son
11:38am Sat 31 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.

Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.

Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.

It is very easy to be pessimistic, Seed. You should give Osprey some credit for taking on the more difficult task of being optimistic.

[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.[/p][/quote]Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.
Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.
Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.[/p][/quote]It is very easy to be pessimistic, Seed. You should give Osprey some credit for taking on the more difficult task of being optimistic.Rising_Son

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.

Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.

Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.

It is very easy to be pessimistic, Seed. You should give Osprey some credit for taking on the more difficult task of being optimistic.

Score: 4

Stnana
11:44am Sat 31 May 14

Anyone else seen the tweet this morning from Steve Lewis ( Veho ) something like - exciting times ahead, new manager , NEW TEAM, new kit, new sponsor !

Anyone else seen the tweet this morning from Steve Lewis ( Veho ) something like - exciting times ahead, new manager , NEW TEAM, new kit, new sponsor !Stnana

Anyone else seen the tweet this morning from Steve Lewis ( Veho ) something like - exciting times ahead, new manager , NEW TEAM, new kit, new sponsor !

Score: 3

THE12THMAN
2:05pm Sat 31 May 14

DansAFCB wrote…

miltonarcher wrote…

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Just remind us all of the loss made by afcb. Ooooops you cant remember, let me remind you, it's 15 million. Looks like you could be heading the same way as PFC

Don't worry the sale of Llana will help that deficit

UTCIAD

After the tax man takes his cut from what ever money you get you might have enough left to buy a div 2 player for your pathetic excuse of a football team. AFC BUMMOUTH.

[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote:
Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!
The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!
Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!
UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Just remind us all of the loss made by afcb. Ooooops you cant remember, let me remind you, it's 15 million. Looks like you could be heading the same way as PFC[/p][/quote]Don't worry the sale of Llana will help that deficit
UTCIAD[/p][/quote]After the tax man takes his cut from what ever money you get you might have enough left to buy a div 2 player for your pathetic excuse of a football team. AFC BUMMOUTH.THE12THMAN

DansAFCB wrote…

miltonarcher wrote…

DansAFCB wrote…

Ho ho ho! This is so funny, you lot of Scummers have laughed at us over the years and now it's your turn to sell your best players. Relegation is calling the SELLING club!

The South coast is ours, the South coast is ours f**k off Southampton the South coast is ours!

Bournemouth till I die, I'm Bournemouth till die!

UTCIAD

Just remind us all of the loss made by afcb. Ooooops you cant remember, let me remind you, it's 15 million. Looks like you could be heading the same way as PFC

Don't worry the sale of Llana will help that deficit

UTCIAD

After the tax man takes his cut from what ever money you get you might have enough left to buy a div 2 player for your pathetic excuse of a football team. AFC BUMMOUTH.

Score: 0

thinklikealocal
12:42pm Sat 31 May 14

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz

That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.

Not really. It's in the can't be bothered to explain my self all over again to a self opinionated tw@t like you when you can read what I'd already posted to another person category.
No do me a favour and go bore someone else zzzzzzzzzzz

Self opinionated? Do you even understand what that means? Clearly not.

[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]swesaint[/bold] wrote:
Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.[/p][/quote]What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?[/p][/quote]So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.[/p][/quote]He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.
Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?[/p][/quote]I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.[/p][/quote]See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.[/p][/quote]Not really. It's in the can't be bothered to explain my self all over again to a self opinionated tw@t like you when you can read what I'd already posted to another person category.
No do me a favour and go bore someone else zzzzzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]Self opinionated? Do you even understand what that means? Clearly not.thinklikealocal

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

J7junctionseven wrote…

swesaint wrote…

Why do so many think we are immune to selling our star players. We are not a massive club, we are not in the champions league, we are not in Europe, we can not compete on wages and yet some seem to think because we love our club everyone who plays for it has to and have no right to show ambition to play at a higher level or earn more before their short careers are over. Look what arsenal have sold in the last 5 seasons and they have a lot to offer.

What's that then....1 trophy in nine years in comparison with the other top clubs?????
Should also mention that they have also raided Saints for two England internationals Oxo and Theo???
Should have thought this through before you posted don't you think?

So you don't think Arsenal are at a higher level than us then? Should have thought a bit more about that before posting.

He said they have a lot to offer ....I don't think they have compared to the other top teams.

Should have read the comments properly before sticking your oar in eh?

I think you should re read the thread. The comparison was between Saints and Arsenal. Duck and dive all you like.

See reply to Rising Son
Can't be bothered to get involved in a full on with you mate.zzzzzzzzzzz

That defo comes into the 'I can dish it out but I can't take it' category.

Not really. It's in the can't be bothered to explain my self all over again to a self opinionated tw@t like you when you can read what I'd already posted to another person category.
No do me a favour and go bore someone else zzzzzzzzzzz

Self opinionated? Do you even understand what that means? Clearly not.

Score: 3

saint Compo
11:50am Sat 31 May 14

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Well said, Osprey. If the Board resists the ultimatum bid from Liverpuddle for Adam, they can stabilise the situation. However, if they buckle here, there will be a whole series of departures.

The next few days may define the future of Saints as a progressive club or as a flash-in-the-pan one season wonder.

The return of Cortese with billionaire backers seems an unrealistic hope; he would have come forth (Messiah-like) already if he had anything on the go.

COYR

[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.[/p][/quote]Well said, Osprey. If the Board resists the ultimatum bid from Liverpuddle for Adam, they can stabilise the situation. However, if they buckle here, there will be a whole series of departures.
The next few days may define the future of Saints as a progressive club or as a flash-in-the-pan one season wonder.
The return of Cortese with billionaire backers seems an unrealistic hope; he would have come forth (Messiah-like) already if he had anything on the go.
COYRsaint Compo

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Well said, Osprey. If the Board resists the ultimatum bid from Liverpuddle for Adam, they can stabilise the situation. However, if they buckle here, there will be a whole series of departures.

The next few days may define the future of Saints as a progressive club or as a flash-in-the-pan one season wonder.

The return of Cortese with billionaire backers seems an unrealistic hope; he would have come forth (Messiah-like) already if he had anything on the go.

COYR

Score: 0

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
11:52am Sat 31 May 14

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?

[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.[/p][/quote]Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?

Score: -2

PHEZZ14
11:53am Sat 31 May 14

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

Do you realise that Reed was appointed by Cortesse?? He has been instrumental with the development of the academy and he was the person that pushed for MoPo to be appointed!!

Have a bit of faith in the board, if people want to leave let them go........for the right price. We will always be a stepping stone for players wanting champions league football, think people need to switch on to that!

[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]Do you realise that Reed was appointed by Cortesse?? He has been instrumental with the development of the academy and he was the person that pushed for MoPo to be appointed!!
Have a bit of faith in the board, if people want to leave let them go........for the right price. We will always be a stepping stone for players wanting champions league football, think people need to switch on to that!PHEZZ14

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

Do you realise that Reed was appointed by Cortesse?? He has been instrumental with the development of the academy and he was the person that pushed for MoPo to be appointed!!

Have a bit of faith in the board, if people want to leave let them go........for the right price. We will always be a stepping stone for players wanting champions league football, think people need to switch on to that!

Score: 6

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
11:57am Sat 31 May 14

Clever Dick wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.

How many more players have to be sold before the alarm bells go off?

[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.[/p][/quote]Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.[/p][/quote]What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.
I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.
I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....[/p][/quote]Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.[/p][/quote]How many more players have to be sold before the alarm bells go off?SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH

Clever Dick wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.

How many more players have to be sold before the alarm bells go off?

Score: 4

Jonny Maths
11:57am Sat 31 May 14

agree with Osprey... full backs are 10 a penny so Shaw will not be missed in a way that £25M won't help mend... AL is a great player but £25M for him is a good price and good business sense. People are forgetting how dire our home form was,,,, Poch was a bit of an illusionist.... there is no need to panic, If saints have £50M ish to spend and can get rid of passengers like Gaaton and Osvaldo then we will soon steady the ship... Its just a shame it looks like we will be playing in skins next season LOL....

agree with Osprey... full backs are 10 a penny so Shaw will not be missed in a way that £25M won't help mend... AL is a great player but £25M for him is a good price and good business sense. People are forgetting how dire our home form was,,,, Poch was a bit of an illusionist.... there is no need to panic, If saints have £50M ish to spend and can get rid of passengers like Gaaton and Osvaldo then we will soon steady the ship... Its just a shame it looks like we will be playing in skins next season LOL....Jonny Maths

agree with Osprey... full backs are 10 a penny so Shaw will not be missed in a way that £25M won't help mend... AL is a great player but £25M for him is a good price and good business sense. People are forgetting how dire our home form was,,,, Poch was a bit of an illusionist.... there is no need to panic, If saints have £50M ish to spend and can get rid of passengers like Gaaton and Osvaldo then we will soon steady the ship... Its just a shame it looks like we will be playing in skins next season LOL....

Score: 1

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
12:08pm Sat 31 May 14

The fans i have spoken to are in a state of shock. This isn't a speed bump. The next few months will have a long lasting effect on the club.
ffs some of you need to wake up before it's too late.

The fans i have spoken to are in a state of shock. This isn't a speed bump. The next few months will have a long lasting effect on the club.
ffs some of you need to wake up before it's too late.SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH

The fans i have spoken to are in a state of shock. This isn't a speed bump. The next few months will have a long lasting effect on the club.
ffs some of you need to wake up before it's too late.

Score: 0

Bobs Your Uncle ?
12:10pm Sat 31 May 14

mass season ticket burning day is needed .

mass season ticket burning day is needed .Bobs Your Uncle ?

mass season ticket burning day is needed .

Score: -1

OSPREYSAINT
12:39pm Sat 31 May 14

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?

You doubt me? I have supported the Club for nearly sixty years, I have seen just about everything that could happen to a football club, I am still here, and still punching my weight against weak willed, negative, ungrateful fans who have very short memories and no actual proof of what is going on. The worse thing you could accuse me is of being either a skate or a WUM, I am neither so I request an apology or a retraction please.

[quote][p][bold]SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.[/p][/quote]Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?[/p][/quote]You doubt me? I have supported the Club for nearly sixty years, I have seen just about everything that could happen to a football club, I am still here, and still punching my weight against weak willed, negative, ungrateful fans who have very short memories and no actual proof of what is going on. The worse thing you could accuse me is of being either a skate or a WUM, I am neither so I request an apology or a retraction please.OSPREYSAINT

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?

You doubt me? I have supported the Club for nearly sixty years, I have seen just about everything that could happen to a football club, I am still here, and still punching my weight against weak willed, negative, ungrateful fans who have very short memories and no actual proof of what is going on. The worse thing you could accuse me is of being either a skate or a WUM, I am neither so I request an apology or a retraction please.

Score: 1

Costa Baz
12:17pm Sat 31 May 14

Those of you condemning KL and accusing her of preparing the club for selling, should be rejoicing.

Didn't Cortese, when asked, claim that he had backers who would be prepared to buy the club, if that scenario ever arose?
Clearly, if she sells, he will ride in, on his white charger and rescue his "baby"?
The same baby he was asked to continue nurturing, with a wage over and above that of any other chairman in the League.
Rather than stick around, and try to protect his "baby", from the "wicked stepmother", Cortese walked away and set in motion this whole sad spectacle.

Cortese could have controlled what has been happening, from the inside, and used his abilities to stem the flow of rumour and possible departures, but he didn't care enough to try and make it work.

As much as I respect what he achieved, at our club, if anyone deserves to be bestowed with the name "kunt", that is being directed at RK, then it is Cortese for not having big enough cojones to stick around and finish the job he started.

Those of you condemning KL and accusing her of preparing the club for selling, should be rejoicing.
Didn't Cortese, when asked, claim that he had backers who would be prepared to buy the club, if that scenario ever arose?
Clearly, if she sells, he will ride in, on his white charger and rescue his "baby"?
The same baby he was asked to continue nurturing, with a wage over and above that of any other chairman in the League.
Rather than stick around, and try to protect his "baby", from the "wicked stepmother", Cortese walked away and set in motion this whole sad spectacle.
Cortese could have controlled what has been happening, from the inside, and used his abilities to stem the flow of rumour and possible departures, but he didn't care enough to try and make it work.
As much as I respect what he achieved, at our club, if anyone deserves to be bestowed with the name "kunt", that is being directed at RK, then it is Cortese for not having big enough cojones to stick around and finish the job he started.Costa Baz

Those of you condemning KL and accusing her of preparing the club for selling, should be rejoicing.

Didn't Cortese, when asked, claim that he had backers who would be prepared to buy the club, if that scenario ever arose?
Clearly, if she sells, he will ride in, on his white charger and rescue his "baby"?
The same baby he was asked to continue nurturing, with a wage over and above that of any other chairman in the League.
Rather than stick around, and try to protect his "baby", from the "wicked stepmother", Cortese walked away and set in motion this whole sad spectacle.

Cortese could have controlled what has been happening, from the inside, and used his abilities to stem the flow of rumour and possible departures, but he didn't care enough to try and make it work.

As much as I respect what he achieved, at our club, if anyone deserves to be bestowed with the name "kunt", that is being directed at RK, then it is Cortese for not having big enough cojones to stick around and finish the job he started.

Score: 5

up saints
12:11pm Sat 31 May 14

it dosn't matter if we get 30mil or 50 mil southampton will worse off without him.

it dosn't matter if we get 30mil or 50 mil southampton will worse off without him.up saints

it dosn't matter if we get 30mil or 50 mil southampton will worse off without him.

Score: 2

upwherewebelong
12:24pm Sat 31 May 14

the saddest part of this debacle is that whether intentional or not the fans that love the club are being split into factions

You have the Pro Krueger and board group
Then the Anti Krueger and board
Finally a third group of people that are trying to keep everything in proportion.

What we need is further statement from Kruger outlining EXACTLY what their intentions are as his previous two statements 1 to the Echo and 1 o Radio Solent seem to have been full of rhetoric and lies. Even better would be if the Echo could facilitate a live web chat with Krueger, reed and Liebherr (Unrealistic I know) where our questions and concerns can be raised to them and where answers could be given. Didn't Liebherr on appointing Krueger say she wanted to make the fans happy. Well I don't see much happiness given what Krueger and the board are doing to the club.

the saddest part of this debacle is that whether intentional or not the fans that love the club are being split into factions
You have the Pro Krueger and board group
Then the Anti Krueger and board
Finally a third group of people that are trying to keep everything in proportion.
What we need is further statement from Kruger outlining EXACTLY what their intentions are as his previous two statements 1 to the Echo and 1 o Radio Solent seem to have been full of rhetoric and lies. Even better would be if the Echo could facilitate a live web chat with Krueger, reed and Liebherr (Unrealistic I know) where our questions and concerns can be raised to them and where answers could be given. Didn't Liebherr on appointing Krueger say she wanted to make the fans happy. Well I don't see much happiness given what Krueger and the board are doing to the club.upwherewebelong

the saddest part of this debacle is that whether intentional or not the fans that love the club are being split into factions

You have the Pro Krueger and board group
Then the Anti Krueger and board
Finally a third group of people that are trying to keep everything in proportion.

What we need is further statement from Kruger outlining EXACTLY what their intentions are as his previous two statements 1 to the Echo and 1 o Radio Solent seem to have been full of rhetoric and lies. Even better would be if the Echo could facilitate a live web chat with Krueger, reed and Liebherr (Unrealistic I know) where our questions and concerns can be raised to them and where answers could be given. Didn't Liebherr on appointing Krueger say she wanted to make the fans happy. Well I don't see much happiness given what Krueger and the board are doing to the club.

Score: -2

OSPREYSAINT
12:27pm Sat 31 May 14

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote…

Clever Dick wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.

How many more players have to be sold before the alarm bells go off?

At a guess eleven, but some will panic a lot earlier.

[quote][p][bold]SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Saint in Pennsylvania[/bold] wrote:
The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.
SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.
The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.
Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.[/p][/quote]Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.[/p][/quote]What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.
I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.
I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....[/p][/quote]Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.[/p][/quote]How many more players have to be sold before the alarm bells go off?[/p][/quote]At a guess eleven, but some will panic a lot earlier.OSPREYSAINT

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote…

Clever Dick wrote…

thinklikealocal wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Saint in Pennsylvania wrote…

The Board should have done what they said they were going to do. Wait until our new Manager is on board before committing to transfers.

SRL deal should not have been agreed now. So what, if we were going to put 4m at risk. Forget 'so called good business', we need stability, if nothing else but to attract the best manager we can.

The Lambert deal looks to have paved the way for a pre-World cup Lallana deal. What effect do you think this will have on our other players who could be transfer targets.... We have no manager, and the two most committed players are allowed to leave.

Morale will be low. ENOUGH is ENOUGH, 'grow some balls' and do not allow players to leave before a new manager comes in. Is that really difficult to do. Make a plan and stick to it.

Krüger told us of the Board's plan not to sell any players
before the new manager came in to assess the squad. They had a plan and reneged on it within 48 hrs - they lied. Why should we trust this Board? If the Board were competent, it would have had a replacement for MP lined up.
By his own admission on this point, Krüger admitted that he was still learning his job!
Initially, I was with the happy clappers supporting the Board until the SRL sale - the newspaper rumours of a meltdown are proving to be right and our Board is looking shifty and incompetent. I am a proud and loyal Saint and will remain so, but I have no confidence in the current Board - its words and deeds differ. It has no back-bone or resolve or any proper plan beyond a big summer sale.

What he actually said in respect of still learning was about our amazing team of stato's who not only track and analyse players but managers as well. He had not realised/anticipated the level/depth of their work.

I have never in my life known such a bunch of moaning Minnie's as there are on this forum. Talk about unrealistic doom merchants. Fact is all clubs sell players. It just so happens that we have not sold many 'favourites' in the last few years so people have been lulled into some kind of belief that the current 'favourites' will stay here for ever. Unrealistic I'm afraid. Grow up and get real.

I am staggered and hugely disappointed at some of the vile and very personal abuse that has been posted on here about KL and the rest of the board in the last few days. Completely unjustified and unacceptable. If KL had no previous intention of selling off the club she might well do now - who could blame her.....

Don't you realise that you are only allowed to post on here if you are a merchant of doom!! I'm with you though. We may well lose a few players and that is a shame, given the potential of the current squad. The ludicrous statements about RK KL and LR really are insulting. As if any owner would bring in somebody to asset strip the club, thereby ensuring relegation and waving bye bye to £80 million a year SKY money. And would RK be throwing away a lifetime of achievements to carry out the dirty work only to be branded a liar never to be trusted again. Of course not. There are a lot of fans opening mouths before engaging brains at the moment .Let's just remember the fan reaction after AP and NA were sacked by Cortese. Players will come and players will go. Arsenal were forced to sell RVP. Manure were forced to sell Ronaldo. Allmouthpool will be forced to sell Suarez etc etc. Most important thing is to screw them for the price. At the moment there is no good news but that will soon change and some of the posters might even be persuaded to put their suicide plans on hold. Got my season ticket and looking forward to next season. Good luck to SRL. He deserves a couple of years on silly wages even if he is only going to warm the bench. He's only had 2 years in the Prem so hasn't earned anything like all the overpaid so called superstars.

How many more players have to be sold before the alarm bells go off?

At a guess eleven, but some will panic a lot earlier.

Score: 0

saintmicky
12:28pm Sat 31 May 14

I am the gloomiest gloom merchant of all sad baby girls at the moment, but then I was when we sacked Adkins too.
If we turn up on the first day of the season and there 's a squad of kids and players we've never heard of, and a bargain basement manager, but we win 3-0 and then win a couple more straight after this whole sorry state will be forgotten, so hard as it is spend some time with the kids, mow the lawn because there is nothing we can do but wait and see!!

I am the gloomiest gloom merchant of all sad baby girls at the moment, but then I was when we sacked Adkins too.
If we turn up on the first day of the season and there 's a squad of kids and players we've never heard of, and a bargain basement manager, but we win 3-0 and then win a couple more straight after this whole sorry state will be forgotten, so hard as it is spend some time with the kids, mow the lawn because there is nothing we can do but wait and see!!saintmicky

I am the gloomiest gloom merchant of all sad baby girls at the moment, but then I was when we sacked Adkins too.
If we turn up on the first day of the season and there 's a squad of kids and players we've never heard of, and a bargain basement manager, but we win 3-0 and then win a couple more straight after this whole sorry state will be forgotten, so hard as it is spend some time with the kids, mow the lawn because there is nothing we can do but wait and see!!

Score: 1

Seedhouse the Unrepentant
12:31pm Sat 31 May 14

PHEZZ14 wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

Do you realise that Reed was appointed by Cortesse?? He has been instrumental with the development of the academy and he was the person that pushed for MoPo to be appointed!!

Have a bit of faith in the board, if people want to leave let them go........for the right price. We will always be a stepping stone for players wanting champions league football, think people need to switch on to that!

Reed was appointed by Cortese and had a roll to play. But now he seems to be in charge of all things football, as Ralph Kunt Krueger keeps saying that's up to Les. Cortese was the frontman and took input from others before acting, Ralph just wanders around saying oh look I've found a bunker full of people analysing managers and players - shame he didn't have them on the case ready to unveil a new manager as soon as Poch p1ssed off!

[quote][p][bold]PHEZZ14[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.
You kunt.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]Do you realise that Reed was appointed by Cortesse?? He has been instrumental with the development of the academy and he was the person that pushed for MoPo to be appointed!!
Have a bit of faith in the board, if people want to leave let them go........for the right price. We will always be a stepping stone for players wanting champions league football, think people need to switch on to that![/p][/quote]Reed was appointed by Cortese and had a roll to play. But now he seems to be in charge of all things football, as Ralph Kunt Krueger keeps saying that's up to Les. Cortese was the frontman and took input from others before acting, Ralph just wanders around saying oh look I've found a bunker full of people analysing managers and players - shame he didn't have them on the case ready to unveil a new manager as soon as Poch p1ssed off!Seedhouse the Unrepentant

PHEZZ14 wrote…

Littleton-Saint wrote…

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Go on Ralph, chuck in Lovren and get a bit more.

You kunt.

Totally agree, Seedhouse - Krüger & Reed would appear to have been appointed to asset-strip our club.
Our Board is acting against the fans' best interests.
No one can trust Krüger ever again.
If he were an honourable man, he would resign.

Do you realise that Reed was appointed by Cortesse?? He has been instrumental with the development of the academy and he was the person that pushed for MoPo to be appointed!!

Have a bit of faith in the board, if people want to leave let them go........for the right price. We will always be a stepping stone for players wanting champions league football, think people need to switch on to that!

Reed was appointed by Cortese and had a roll to play. But now he seems to be in charge of all things football, as Ralph Kunt Krueger keeps saying that's up to Les. Cortese was the frontman and took input from others before acting, Ralph just wanders around saying oh look I've found a bunker full of people analysing managers and players - shame he didn't have them on the case ready to unveil a new manager as soon as Poch p1ssed off!

Score: -1

OSPREYSAINT
12:31pm Sat 31 May 14

upwherewebelong wrote…

the saddest part of this debacle is that whether intentional or not the fans that love the club are being split into factions

You have the Pro Krueger and board group
Then the Anti Krueger and board
Finally a third group of people that are trying to keep everything in proportion.

What we need is further statement from Kruger outlining EXACTLY what their intentions are as his previous two statements 1 to the Echo and 1 o Radio Solent seem to have been full of rhetoric and lies. Even better would be if the Echo could facilitate a live web chat with Krueger, reed and Liebherr (Unrealistic I know) where our questions and concerns can be raised to them and where answers could be given. Didn't Liebherr on appointing Krueger say she wanted to make the fans happy. Well I don't see much happiness given what Krueger and the board are doing to the club.

I am not pro anyone, or anti anyone else yet, because I haven't got any real facts yet. What exactly is the panic? No news is no news, it's not good or bad.

[quote][p][bold]upwherewebelong[/bold] wrote:
the saddest part of this debacle is that whether intentional or not the fans that love the club are being split into factions
You have the Pro Krueger and board group
Then the Anti Krueger and board
Finally a third group of people that are trying to keep everything in proportion.
What we need is further statement from Kruger outlining EXACTLY what their intentions are as his previous two statements 1 to the Echo and 1 o Radio Solent seem to have been full of rhetoric and lies. Even better would be if the Echo could facilitate a live web chat with Krueger, reed and Liebherr (Unrealistic I know) where our questions and concerns can be raised to them and where answers could be given. Didn't Liebherr on appointing Krueger say she wanted to make the fans happy. Well I don't see much happiness given what Krueger and the board are doing to the club.[/p][/quote]I am not pro anyone, or anti anyone else yet, because I haven't got any real facts yet. What exactly is the panic? No news is no news, it's not good or bad.OSPREYSAINT

upwherewebelong wrote…

the saddest part of this debacle is that whether intentional or not the fans that love the club are being split into factions

You have the Pro Krueger and board group
Then the Anti Krueger and board
Finally a third group of people that are trying to keep everything in proportion.

What we need is further statement from Kruger outlining EXACTLY what their intentions are as his previous two statements 1 to the Echo and 1 o Radio Solent seem to have been full of rhetoric and lies. Even better would be if the Echo could facilitate a live web chat with Krueger, reed and Liebherr (Unrealistic I know) where our questions and concerns can be raised to them and where answers could be given. Didn't Liebherr on appointing Krueger say she wanted to make the fans happy. Well I don't see much happiness given what Krueger and the board are doing to the club.

I am not pro anyone, or anti anyone else yet, because I haven't got any real facts yet. What exactly is the panic? No news is no news, it's not good or bad.

Score: -1

historyless scum
12:38pm Sat 31 May 14

I do feel sorry for you, a big build up last season & now your historyless club is falling apart, a terrible shame 😆

I do feel sorry for you, a big build up last season & now your historyless club is falling apart, a terrible shame 😆historyless scum

I do feel sorry for you, a big build up last season & now your historyless club is falling apart, a terrible shame 😆

Score: -2

thinklikealocal
12:39pm Sat 31 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.

Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.

Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.

And SRL us one of those teenagers is he?

[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.[/p][/quote]Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.
Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.
Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.[/p][/quote]And SRL us one of those teenagers is he?thinklikealocal

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Regeneration!!?? This isn't a team of aging Keegans, Balls, Channons and Worthingtons! This is a home grown bunch of teenagers and early 20's! This IS the rebuilt team ffs.

Why should we keep the faith? We are told one minute we're aiming for Europe and that no players to be sold until the new manager is in situ, and the very next day that Rickies on his way for a medical. Medicals are the very last piece of a transfer.

Like you I want positive news but unlike you I'm not sticking my head in the sand saying everything will be fine. Ralph is out of his depth, it's so obvious it's unbelievable and even you will be calling him a kunt come August.

And SRL us one of those teenagers is he?

Score: 1

jerseysaint
12:41pm Sat 31 May 14

so far we have lost a mercenary manager and sir RL who wants to fulfil his dream of playing a couple of seasons with his boyhood club and perhaps lifting some silverware whilst setting his family up for life, no one could turn that down. I think the board did the best to let him go.
I think the board will stay true on the rest of the players.I really want to see Adam stay as he is the heart of the team.

so far we have lost a mercenary manager and sir RL who wants to fulfil his dream of playing a couple of seasons with his boyhood club and perhaps lifting some silverware whilst setting his family up for life, no one could turn that down. I think the board did the best to let him go.
I think the board will stay true on the rest of the players.I really want to see Adam stay as he is the heart of the team.jerseysaint

so far we have lost a mercenary manager and sir RL who wants to fulfil his dream of playing a couple of seasons with his boyhood club and perhaps lifting some silverware whilst setting his family up for life, no one could turn that down. I think the board did the best to let him go.
I think the board will stay true on the rest of the players.I really want to see Adam stay as he is the heart of the team.

Score: 2

OSPREYSAINT
12:48pm Sat 31 May 14

historyless scum wrote…

I do feel sorry for you, a big build up last season & now your historyless club is falling apart, a terrible shame 😆

Still better than your situation though, is it not? I do envy you a bit, as the only way you can go, is up, (unless the worse case scenario happens) so you should have some exciting times ahead, enjoy them if you can, but be aware if it doesn't go quite as planned the fickle fans among you will turn against you, at the click of a Daily Mirror reporters fingers. Before your recent resurgence your 'neggies' were as active as ours are now, did you read the remarks on The News site before Andy Awful got the job? A couple of dodgy results and it will all happen again. I wish you no ill will, you support your team and please let us support ours, one day our paths may cross in anger, but I suspect it will be a long time coming. PAX?

[quote][p][bold]historyless scum[/bold] wrote:
I do feel sorry for you, a big build up last season & now your historyless club is falling apart, a terrible shame 😆[/p][/quote]Still better than your situation though, is it not? I do envy you a bit, as the only way you can go, is up, (unless the worse case scenario happens) so you should have some exciting times ahead, enjoy them if you can, but be aware if it doesn't go quite as planned the fickle fans among you will turn against you, at the click of a Daily Mirror reporters fingers. Before your recent resurgence your 'neggies' were as active as ours are now, did you read the remarks on The News site before Andy Awful got the job? A couple of dodgy results and it will all happen again. I wish you no ill will, you support your team and please let us support ours, one day our paths may cross in anger, but I suspect it will be a long time coming. PAX?OSPREYSAINT

historyless scum wrote…

I do feel sorry for you, a big build up last season & now your historyless club is falling apart, a terrible shame 😆

Still better than your situation though, is it not? I do envy you a bit, as the only way you can go, is up, (unless the worse case scenario happens) so you should have some exciting times ahead, enjoy them if you can, but be aware if it doesn't go quite as planned the fickle fans among you will turn against you, at the click of a Daily Mirror reporters fingers. Before your recent resurgence your 'neggies' were as active as ours are now, did you read the remarks on The News site before Andy Awful got the job? A couple of dodgy results and it will all happen again. I wish you no ill will, you support your team and please let us support ours, one day our paths may cross in anger, but I suspect it will be a long time coming. PAX?

Score: 2

historyless scum
5:48pm Sat 31 May 14

Looks like this is what you have been expecting, chairman, GONE! Manager, GONE! Hero worshipped super striker, GONE! Shaw, GOING! Labanana,GOING! Lover in,GOING! How many more? Still plenty of the youth team player to come in for relegation battle next season. Golly this is going to be fun. 😂

Looks like this is what you have been expecting, chairman, GONE! Manager, GONE! Hero worshipped super striker, GONE! Shaw, GOING! Labanana,GOING! Lover in,GOING! How many more? Still plenty of the youth team player to come in for relegation battle next season. Golly this is going to be fun. 😂historyless scum

Looks like this is what you have been expecting, chairman, GONE! Manager, GONE! Hero worshipped super striker, GONE! Shaw, GOING! Labanana,GOING! Lover in,GOING! How many more? Still plenty of the youth team player to come in for relegation battle next season. Golly this is going to be fun. 😂

Score: -2

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH
12:47pm Sat 31 May 14

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?

You doubt me? I have supported the Club for nearly sixty years, I have seen just about everything that could happen to a football club, I am still here, and still punching my weight against weak willed, negative, ungrateful fans who have very short memories and no actual proof of what is going on. The worse thing you could accuse me is of being either a skate or a WUM, I am neither so I request an apology or a retraction please.

You want me to retract a question?
Dream on.

The manager and players leaving doesn't count as proof?
When should us fans start worrying?

[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote:
Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.
When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.
I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.
We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.
Rant over for now.[/p][/quote]Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?[/p][/quote]You doubt me? I have supported the Club for nearly sixty years, I have seen just about everything that could happen to a football club, I am still here, and still punching my weight against weak willed, negative, ungrateful fans who have very short memories and no actual proof of what is going on. The worse thing you could accuse me is of being either a skate or a WUM, I am neither so I request an apology or a retraction please.[/p][/quote]You want me to retract a question?
Dream on.
The manager and players leaving doesn't count as proof?
When should us fans start worrying?SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

SFC PRIDE OF THE SOUTH wrote…

OSPREYSAINT wrote…

Unlike most of the doom and gloom 'neggies' on here, I regard what is happening as a period of regeneration, we have done well to get where we are, but all good things come to an end. The poisoned chalice that is the Champions League is fouling everything up for us, sadly only one team can win that, and I don't see any English Club being good enough to win it at the moment, so why these players think that it is in any way a good thing to desire is a bit beyond me, only greed for more money is the likely desire.
As a Saints supporter I am prepared to wait and see what is going to transpire, I wont believe anything, until it appears on the Official Site, so far we have lost a Manager, we look like losing Rickie as long as he passes his fitness check. As much as I like him, his performances at times were beginning to tail off, I think he has peaked and will only be a bit player for Liverpool, but I appreciate he has reached his ultimate dream, so good luck to him. I am convinced a couple of others will also go too, if their heart is no longer with us, they won't be much use to us anyhow.

When the transfer action starts, I am expecting to see some interesting signings, but a rebuilding job is going to take some time and there will be no instant success. There could be some interesting times ahead.

I understand a lot of you are angry and confused, but you appear to be basing your angst on hearsay rather than facts, J7 seems to revel in his work as an agent provocateur and I don't understand his motives, hence my hostility towards his posts, they are affecting the morale of the troops.

We all should be keeping the faith and remain patient and see what comes up. There is no real problem with anyone expressing views, to be honest that's all we can do as we have no control over what is happening have we? I prefer to read positive information, rather than uninformed speculation. I despair at posters who think being abusive is OK just because they disagree with the other posters view, when will they learn that the moment they start swearing and being abusive, that their cause is instantly lost.

Rant over for now.

Are you a real Southampton fan?
The club is being picked apart and you are acting as if everything is hunky dory.
You are either a WUM or a skate.
Which is it?

You doubt me? I have supported the Club for nearly sixty years, I have seen just about everything that could happen to a football club, I am still here, and still punching my weight against weak willed, negative, ungrateful fans who have very short memories and no actual proof of what is going on. The worse thing you could accuse me is of being either a skate or a WUM, I am neither so I request an apology or a retraction please.

You want me to retract a question?
Dream on.

The manager and players leaving doesn't count as proof?
When should us fans start worrying?

Score: -1

Doversole
3:44pm Sat 31 May 14

I begin to wonder if Ms Liebherr is 'cashing in her most valuable chips' before selling the Club off on the cheap. This Board appear toothless in the face of hostile player bids; and naive in dealing with the press etc., perhaps those are her instructions?!

I begin to wonder if Ms Liebherr is 'cashing in her most valuable chips' before selling the Club off on the cheap. This Board appear toothless in the face of hostile player bids; and naive in dealing with the press etc., perhaps those are her instructions?!Doversole

I begin to wonder if Ms Liebherr is 'cashing in her most valuable chips' before selling the Club off on the cheap. This Board appear toothless in the face of hostile player bids; and naive in dealing with the press etc., perhaps those are her instructions?!

Score: 2

Seedhouse the Unrepentant
12:53pm Sat 31 May 14

Costa Baz wrote…

Those of you condemning KL and accusing her of preparing the club for selling, should be rejoicing.

Didn't Cortese, when asked, claim that he had backers who would be prepared to buy the club, if that scenario ever arose?
Clearly, if she sells, he will ride in, on his white charger and rescue his "baby"?
The same baby he was asked to continue nurturing, with a wage over and above that of any other chairman in the League.
Rather than stick around, and try to protect his "baby", from the "wicked stepmother", Cortese walked away and set in motion this whole sad spectacle.

Cortese could have controlled what has been happening, from the inside, and used his abilities to stem the flow of rumour and possible departures, but he didn't care enough to try and make it work.

As much as I respect what he achieved, at our club, if anyone deserves to be bestowed with the name "kunt", that is being directed at RK, then it is Cortese for not having big enough cojones to stick around and finish the job he started.

I doubt Cortese walked away from his £2m a year easily. I guess it's because KL pulled back from the vision and he felt it was all over. That may well have been why Poch decided to leave too, and perhaps the players.

It is easy to be critical so let's look at the facts:

1 A virtually new board of directors are appointed who lack experience at this level.

2 The new chairman starts his reign with statements about 'difficult' and 'awkward' finances. He may not have intended it but the result was an assumption by MOTD pundits and the media at large that we would need to sell our players which has led to aggressive approaches by our competitors.

3 The players come out one by one and say MoPo is the key to it all and needs to be retained and that the team needs strengthening to push on.

4 Kunt fails to retain MoPo.

5 Kunt appears on TV saying that no player will be sold without the new manager in situ - but the Rickie deal had to have been done because the next day it's announced he's off for a medical.

6 Kunt announces the new sponsors Veho who no one has heard of apart from Osprey. As far as I can see they sell cameras in a market dominated by GoPro. Someone posted it's about the money not the name - totally agree, do you really believe this is a multi million pound deal?

7 Despite the rumours of MoPo's potential departure Kunt does not have a plan B ready just incase we need a new manager and therefore we are on the back foot.

8 Kunt openly admits that he is 'learning the job'. Is that really good enough? In Div1 maybe but not at this level.

9 Kunt/Sid Little sacks Dodds meaning there is no continuity at all in the coaching and further upsets the players. Appalling timing.

The players haven't left yet but it's not looking good. If we retain them then I will happily say I was wrong because I really do not want to be right!

Remember it was only a few weeks ago that we were saying add a striker, centre half and back up keeper and we will be competing at the highest level. That seems a long way away today.

[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote:
Those of you condemning KL and accusing her of preparing the club for selling, should be rejoicing.
Didn't Cortese, when asked, claim that he had backers who would be prepared to buy the club, if that scenario ever arose?
Clearly, if she sells, he will ride in, on his white charger and rescue his "baby"?
The same baby he was asked to continue nurturing, with a wage over and above that of any other chairman in the League.
Rather than stick around, and try to protect his "baby", from the "wicked stepmother", Cortese walked away and set in motion this whole sad spectacle.
Cortese could have controlled what has been happening, from the inside, and used his abilities to stem the flow of rumour and possible departures, but he didn't care enough to try and make it work.
As much as I respect what he achieved, at our club, if anyone deserves to be bestowed with the name "kunt", that is being directed at RK, then it is Cortese for not having big enough cojones to stick around and finish the job he started.[/p][/quote]I doubt Cortese walked away from his £2m a year easily. I guess it's because KL pulled back from the vision and he felt it was all over. That may well have been why Poch decided to leave too, and perhaps the players.
It is easy to be critical so let's look at the facts:
1 A virtually new board of directors are appointed who lack experience at this level.
2 The new chairman starts his reign with statements about 'difficult' and 'awkward' finances. He may not have intended it but the result was an assumption by MOTD pundits and the media at large that we would need to sell our players which has led to aggressive approaches by our competitors.
3 The players come out one by one and say MoPo is the key to it all and needs to be retained and that the team needs strengthening to push on.
4 Kunt fails to retain MoPo.
5 Kunt appears on TV saying that no player will be sold without the new manager in situ - but the Rickie deal had to have been done because the next day it's announced he's off for a medical.
6 Kunt announces the new sponsors Veho who no one has heard of apart from Osprey. As far as I can see they sell cameras in a market dominated by GoPro. Someone posted it's about the money not the name - totally agree, do you really believe this is a multi million pound deal?
7 Despite the rumours of MoPo's potential departure Kunt does not have a plan B ready just incase we need a new manager and therefore we are on the back foot.
8 Kunt openly admits that he is 'learning the job'. Is that really good enough? In Div1 maybe but not at this level.
9 Kunt/Sid Little sacks Dodds meaning there is no continuity at all in the coaching and further upsets the players. Appalling timing.
The players haven't left yet but it's not looking good. If we retain them then I will happily say I was wrong because I really do not want to be right!
Remember it was only a few weeks ago that we were saying add a striker, centre half and back up keeper and we will be competing at the highest level. That seems a long way away today.Seedhouse the Unrepentant

Costa Baz wrote…

Those of you condemning KL and accusing her of preparing the club for selling, should be rejoicing.

Didn't Cortese, when asked, claim that he had backers who would be prepared to buy the club, if that scenario ever arose?
Clearly, if she sells, he will ride in, on his white charger and rescue his "baby"?
The same baby he was asked to continue nurturing, with a wage over and above that of any other chairman in the League.
Rather than stick around, and try to protect his "baby", from the "wicked stepmother", Cortese walked away and set in motion this whole sad spectacle.

Cortese could have controlled what has been happening, from the inside, and used his abilities to stem the flow of rumour and possible departures, but he didn't care enough to try and make it work.

As much as I respect what he achieved, at our club, if anyone deserves to be bestowed with the name "kunt", that is being directed at RK, then it is Cortese for not having big enough cojones to stick around and finish the job he started.

I doubt Cortese walked away from his £2m a year easily. I guess it's because KL pulled back from the vision and he felt it was all over. That may well have been why Poch decided to leave too, and perhaps the players.

It is easy to be critical so let's look at the facts:

1 A virtually new board of directors are appointed who lack experience at this level.

2 The new chairman starts his reign with statements about 'difficult' and 'awkward' finances. He may not have intended it but the result was an assumption by MOTD pundits and the media at large that we would need to sell our players which has led to aggressive approaches by our competitors.

3 The players come out one by one and say MoPo is the key to it all and needs to be retained and that the team needs strengthening to push on.

4 Kunt fails to retain MoPo.

5 Kunt appears on TV saying that no player will be sold without the new manager in situ - but the Rickie deal had to have been done because the next day it's announced he's off for a medical.

6 Kunt announces the new sponsors Veho who no one has heard of apart from Osprey. As far as I can see they sell cameras in a market dominated by GoPro. Someone posted it's about the money not the name - totally agree, do you really believe this is a multi million pound deal?

7 Despite the rumours of MoPo's potential departure Kunt does not have a plan B ready just incase we need a new manager and therefore we are on the back foot.

8 Kunt openly admits that he is 'learning the job'. Is that really good enough? In Div1 maybe but not at this level.

9 Kunt/Sid Little sacks Dodds meaning there is no continuity at all in the coaching and further upsets the players. Appalling timing.

The players haven't left yet but it's not looking good. If we retain them then I will happily say I was wrong because I really do not want to be right!

Remember it was only a few weeks ago that we were saying add a striker, centre half and back up keeper and we will be competing at the highest level. That seems a long way away today.