Ok guys thanks for the input it's been helpfull yeah i'll go with the x4 965 BE I have a Hyper 212+ cooler so I should be able to oc pretty well. More than likely i'll get the 570 i'm leaning towards EVGA cause of their lifetime warranty. So I really don't need to get 4 more gb of ram. I have 64 bit Windows 7 and it recognizes 8 gb im pretty sure but will it make a difference in games?

Yeah the 212+ will easily take your 965 to the point of diminishing returns which is all a cooler should have to do. Glad you decided AWAY from buying an EVGA with the only reason being lifetime warranty (since we see you don't keep your graphics cards for a lifetime )

I echo what everyone else has been saying.

It's hard to say which is better between the 570 and the 7850: http://www.anandtech...duct/549?vs=518 , the 7850 seems to be a far greater value and is more efficient while the 570 wins in a few select games, most they are indistinguishably close

Nice one OP. That's probably the best 570 you can get: cool,silent and heavily overclockable card, though you seem to have surpassed your initial budget (as we all do generally ).
Now besides the subject can anyone tell me how to change that message under your avatar? just having "Member" got a little stale.