So exactly how many years does it take for everyone to realize that the pre-season gives no preview of a team and means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of a successful or poor season?

Duh. Preseason games are meaningless in and of itself. But things that are meaningful is seeing how rookies look. Fab is atrocious. One game yes, but seriously, theres no way Fab will get much better anytime soon if at all. Some Celt fans I know were talking trade scenarios of getting Josh smith for Bass and Melo. They totally think their rookies are the best players from last year's draft. Yesterday should definitely squash some of that idiocy.

And don't be a wet blanket on my Celtic hate. Any thread that trashes those jerks should be encouraged here.

Gotcha and that isn't my username anymore. I just had it because I was pissed off at Dwight for not wanting to be a Laker, but now that has changed I'm perfectly fine with him being here.

Is that a joke?

Please they nearly made the Finals last season and got significantly better. They're clearly the second best team in the East.

They made the eastern finals after being gifted with facing an 8th seed in the semis. They took an injured Heat team to 7 games, but were outmatched once the Heat got a semblance of health back. DO NOT OVERESTIMATE THE CELTICS "SUCCESS" LAST SEASON. they sucked, got a great hand with unfortunate things happening to their opponents, and now they think an improvement of any kind from last year means a tipping point to a championship. They still suck and won't get out of the second round. And keep in mind getting out of the second round in the east is as easy as farting after a spicy burrito.