This is my first testing thread, so if anything is incorrect, please just tell me

The reason for this combo is for mobile Defense, but was more of an anti-Attack combo, which worked out great for this combo. It doesn't do great again anything really, besides Attack, which is its purpose.

Virgo
Because of how good it was in Pre-HWS competitive play, seeing how it did in Limited was a factor. But my main choice for this was it's shape; the slopes and round design.ED145
Even though the gimmick is useless, I used it as I enjoy this track and wanted to see if this could take more hits then other tracks. MF
I used MF as it can do some attacking, but has good stamina. Perfect choice for a mobile Defense combo.

The point of this combo was to be a mobile Defense combo, and even though it turned out to be more of anti-Attack and it is getting 10% vs Earth WD but 80% vs Omega/Lightning RF, it proves the point of this combo. This isn't a Libra RF or Libra D125 GCF, but it does the job great.

Oh cool, I was playing around with Night MF LTACs a while back, and I was wondering if Virgo was any improvement since I couldn't seem to get Night to work very well.

These tests are nice, and I wanted to comment but I didn't really have time to post in this thread until now. What is your Virgo's solo spin time? Virgo are prone to wild variations in spin times (though I don't recall if actual mold differences were ever confirmed) and if yours is on the lower side of the spectrum that could explain why it has so much trouble OSing. Like 1234beyblade said it seems like Attack should get a much higher winrate. Is ED145 doing any work in getting those numbers against Attack? If not have you considered shortening the combo to like 90 or 85? That would give it a lower center of gravity so it would have better balance (and maybe make it faster but if I'm just spouting pseudo-science feel free to ignore me), and would take advantage of Virgo's Upper Smash way more than ED145 could unless you're facing like a 230 height.

But yeah, overall it's cool to see someone had a similar thought process to me when coming up with a combo. For your first testing thread this is pretty good!

Quote:Virgo are prone to wild variations in spin times (though I don't recall if actual mold differences were ever confirmed)

So, maybe other people noticed this too, but I was certainly the first — I ordered like 11 Reshuffle sets and even from that selection alone, the variation in spin time was extreme (like a minute between the bottom and top, at least). I don't think it had anything to do with mold differences, seemed to be random manufacturing variance.

(Aug. 30, 2015 11:22 PM)Wombat Wrote: Oh cool, I was playing around with Night MF LTACs a while back, and I was wondering if Virgo was any improvement since I couldn't seem to get Night to work very well.

These tests are nice, and I wanted to comment but I didn't really have time to post in this thread until now. What is your Virgo's solo spin time? Virgo are prone to wild variations in spin times (though I don't recall if actual mold differences were ever confirmed) and if yours is on the lower side of the spectrum that could explain why it has so much trouble OSing. Like 1234beyblade said it seems like Attack should get a much higher winrate. Is ED145 doing any work in getting those numbers against Attack? If not have you considered shortening the combo to like 90 or 85? That would give it a lower center of gravity so it would have better balance (and maybe make it faster but if I'm just spouting pseudo-science feel free to ignore me), and would take advantage of Virgo's Upper Smash way more than ED145 could unless you're facing like a 230 height.

But yeah, overall it's cool to see someone had a similar thought process to me when coming up with a combo. For your first testing thread this is pretty good!

Thanks for this post Wombat!

I just did 3 quick spin tests, all of the, getting between 2:30 and 2:40 (Virgo W145 WD)

ED145 actually has done some defending against lower attackers, but right now I'm trying 85:

Whoah those Omega results man, honestly I would expect Omega to completely blow this thing out of the water. On another note cool to see some more innovation. Losing to Earth RSF is kinda scary considering this is on MF but whatever. The attack results look really cool but it would be nice to have some other member who has a Virgo try this out as well.

(Aug. 31, 2015 12:48 AM)J.I.N.B.E.E! Wrote: I actually never got why people say 85 is better than 90 at first, the difference is barely half a millimeter! I always use to think they were the same. Same applies for 100 to 105 at first.

(Aug. 31, 2015 12:50 AM)Thunder Dome Wrote: Whoah those Omega results man, honestly I would expect Omega to completely blow this thing out of the water. On another note cool to see some more innovation. Losing to Earth RSF is kinda scary considering this is on MF but whatever. The attack results look really cool but it would be nice to have some other member who has a Virgo try this out as well.

Well thanks for the thread man, always cool to see some new combo!

Hey Thunder Dome,

I actually did those Testings twice (20 rounds each time) and got the exact same results both times.

Eh, I made this combo to defeat attack, so not too worried about that, actually going to do W145 RSF vs Virgo 85 to see the results.

Definitely hoping other members can too, and thank you for the comment.

Would you mind putting Omega back on 85 or 90 if you test it against Virgo 85/90 MF again? Omega doesn't usually do that great when the opponent is that much lower than you so that would be cool if you could put it on a lower track. Thanks!

(Aug. 31, 2015 1:11 AM)Thunder Dome Wrote: Would you mind putting Omega back on 85 or 90 if you test it against Virgo 85/90 MF again? Omega doesn't usually do that great when the opponent is that much lower than you so that would be cool if you could put it on a lower track. Thanks!