http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/139455/there-far-smarter-ways-filtering-2432026/
Ryan Carroll2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/139455/there-far-smarter-ways-filtering-2432026/There are far smarter ways of filtering them.
Ask them about their EXPERIENCE that matters 100 times more than college. A lot of people change drastically as they go through college and when they get into their later 20s. They’re still basically teenagers until they graduate and have a bit of life experience and then that matures them.

I understand the desire these days to have a quick easy filter, employers have gotten FAR too quick to toss CVs aside…”I DONT HAVE TIME I DONT HAVE TIME” they’re nearly having an anxiety attack while they tell you this as well…look if you want high quality staff..you have to sift through some CVs….calm the f–k down, it’s part of your job…hire a HR manager or hire someone temporary to pluck through them, stop looking for quick fixes if you want a quality team you have to do a quality search.
If you have too narrow criteria you are going to end up with a load of clones each tripping over each other to look at a problem the same way. No diversity, no difference in perspectives just the same boiled sh1tes.

When I’m hiring people down the line I’m going to be much more interested in someone who was not always perfect, who had to overcome some challenges and didn’t get all A’s from the time they were in playschool. People who have to struggle along, who don’t always get everything perfect, those peoples adversity breeds character, perspective and problem solving skills that I want on my team. When someone was picture perfect all the time, never hit a bump and never had to struggle they’re not going to adapt well to an unexpected situations or when they come up against a barrier and they won’t have much in the way of an innovative or imaginative thought process.
Just what I think…

]]><p>There are far smarter ways of filtering them.<br />
Ask them about their EXPERIENCE that matters 100 times more than college. A lot of people change drastically as they go through college and when they get into their later 20s. They’re still basically teenagers until they graduate and have a bit of life experience and then that matures them.</p>
<p>I understand the desire these days to have a quick easy filter, employers have gotten FAR too quick to toss CVs aside…”I DONT HAVE TIME I DONT HAVE TIME” they’re nearly having an anxiety attack while they tell you this as well…look if you want high quality staff..you have to sift through some CVs….calm the f–k down, it’s part of your job…hire a HR manager or hire someone temporary to pluck through them, stop looking for quick fixes if you want a quality team you have to do a quality search.<br />
If you have too narrow criteria you are going to end up with a load of clones each tripping over each other to look at a problem the same way. No diversity, no difference in perspectives just the same boiled sh1tes.</p>
<p>When I’m hiring people down the line I’m going to be much more interested in someone who was not always perfect, who had to overcome some challenges and didn’t get all A’s from the time they were in playschool. People who have to struggle along, who don’t always get everything perfect, those peoples adversity breeds character, perspective and problem solving skills that I want on my team. When someone was picture perfect all the time, never hit a bump and never had to struggle they’re not going to adapt well to an unexpected situations or when they come up against a barrier and they won’t have much in the way of an innovative or imaginative thought process.<br />
Just what I think…</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/75096/to-honest-im-annoyed-2432037/
Colm Flaherty2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/75096/to-honest-im-annoyed-2432037/To be honest, I’m annoyed. The Summit guys do good work, I see the results of it at my own job every day with the 100s of tech people flying from/to the States, but to allow the message to go out that ” to work with us you must be one of the club or prove you’re smarter than the riff raff”, that’s not right.

It’s not like you’re *building* anything in a company, where you need the creme de la creme of number crunchers to get your product engineering & customer behaviour analysis spot-on. You’re organising events. That’s it.

If you need to up the standards, up them across the board. If that means turning away alma mater, then turn away your alma f*****g mater. You want people who can do the job. That’s it. If, after you’ve weeded out the lower standards, you need to pick from a large pile, make it a lottery.

Smart people go to University.
Stupid people go to University.
Smart people go to ITs.
Stupid people go to ITs. (*puts hand up* hey, howarya!)

If you want to differentiate candidates by where they went to school
1:You’re a moron, who’s throwing out a lot of babies with the gallons of bathwater.
2: You’re either working under some unbelievably untrue (and more important, unsubstantiated & unproven) prejudices or too lazy to consider doing the legwork of going through the number of candidates a role attracts.

]]><p>To be honest, I’m annoyed. The Summit guys do good work, I see the results of it at my own job every day with the 100s of tech people flying from/to the States, but to allow the message to go out that ” to work with us you must be one of the club or prove you’re smarter than the riff raff”, that’s not right. </p>
<p>It’s not like you’re *building* anything in a company, where you need the creme de la creme of number crunchers to get your product engineering & customer behaviour analysis spot-on. You’re organising events. That’s it. </p>
<p>If you need to up the standards, up them across the board. If that means turning away alma mater, then turn away your alma f*****g mater. You want people who can do the job. That’s it. If, after you’ve weeded out the lower standards, you need to pick from a large pile, make it a lottery.</p>
<p>Smart people go to University.<br />
Stupid people go to University.<br />
Smart people go to ITs.<br />
Stupid people go to ITs. (*puts hand up* hey, howarya!)</p>
<p>If you want to differentiate candidates by where they went to school<br />
1:You’re a moron, who’s throwing out a lot of babies with the gallons of bathwater.<br />
2: You’re either working under some unbelievably untrue (and more important, unsubstantiated & unproven) prejudices or too lazy to consider doing the legwork of going through the number of candidates a role attracts.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/109194/all-animals-equal-2431934/
W.j.d.2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/109194/all-animals-equal-2431934/All animals are equal…. Some a little more…
]]><p>All animals are equal…. Some a little more…</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/8556/having-gone-it-university-its-own-personal-experience-2432136/
Sinéad Keogh2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/8556/having-gone-it-university-its-own-personal-experience-2432136/Having gone to both an IT and and a university, it’s my own personal experience that ITs are much better at providing hands-on courses and have lecturers who are closer to industry resulting in more capable grads coming out of ITs. But I try my best not to discriminate against uni grads when it comes to hiring.
]]><p>Having gone to both an IT and and a university, it’s my own personal experience that ITs are much better at providing hands-on courses and have lecturers who are closer to industry resulting in more capable grads coming out of ITs. But I try my best not to discriminate against uni grads when it comes to hiring.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/271000/i-degree-it-masters-university-2431907/
Jimminy Cricket2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/271000/i-degree-it-masters-university-2431907/I got my degree in an IT, but got my masters in a university. What does this mean for me?
]]><p>I got my degree in an IT, but got my masters in a university. What does this mean for me?</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/13912/load-boulderdash-ask-2431959/
Darragh O Meara2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/13912/load-boulderdash-ask-2431959/Load of boulderdash if you ask me. If they’re so snobbish about applications I could only imagine what they’ll be like to work for. I obtained my degree from an IT and I’m proud of that fact. I was also offered my course in a Uni but couldn’t afford to uproot everything and in hindsight I’m a lot happier in the route I took.

At the end of the day I’m happy in what I know and how I apply what I learned. I’ve sat in on lectures in universities and found them to be overcrowded and not geared towards the student. Whereas in the IT that I attended, if I had a problem or didn’t understand something I could ask the lecturer and get an answer, because there wasn’t 80 other people trying to get attention.

]]><p>Load of boulderdash if you ask me. If they’re so snobbish about applications I could only imagine what they’ll be like to work for. I obtained my degree from an IT and I’m proud of that fact. I was also offered my course in a Uni but couldn’t afford to uproot everything and in hindsight I’m a lot happier in the route I took. </p>
<p>At the end of the day I’m happy in what I know and how I apply what I learned. I’ve sat in on lectures in universities and found them to be overcrowded and not geared towards the student. Whereas in the IT that I attended, if I had a problem or didn’t understand something I could ask the lecturer and get an answer, because there wasn’t 80 other people trying to get attention.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/178906/totally-agree-2432096/
J2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/178906/totally-agree-2432096/Totally agree. I mean this summit thing is basically a conference, it’s more project management skills if you ask me.
]]><p>Totally agree. I mean this summit thing is basically a conference, it’s more project management skills if you ask me.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/139157/this-issue-arises-accountancy-profession-employers-simply-prefer-2431971/
Whelo15092014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/139157/this-issue-arises-accountancy-profession-employers-simply-prefer-2431971/This same issue arises in the Accountancy profession where some employers simply “prefer” people from a particular accountancy body – it’s a personal choice and opinion and one has to live with it.
]]><p>This same issue arises in the Accountancy profession where some employers simply “prefer” people from a particular accountancy body – it’s a personal choice and opinion and one has to live with it.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/47852/does-anybody-proof-read-articles-before-printed-2431949/
Richard Powell2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/47852/does-anybody-proof-read-articles-before-printed-2431949/Does anybody proof read the articles before they are printed. The irony.
]]><p>Does anybody proof read the articles before they are printed. The irony.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/75369/he-seems-unlikable-person-2432435/
Darragh Flynn2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/75369/he-seems-unlikable-person-2432435/He seems like such an unlikable person. He set up the worlds largest tech circle jerk. The astronomical price increases in recent years reflect that. Its not about startups or harbouring talent…its about who has the biggest wallet and wants to shell out €1000 for a ticket.

I always wanted to go to the Web Summit in its early days, have no interest anymore. Its all very fake and plastic.

]]><p>He seems like such an unlikable person. He set up the worlds largest tech circle jerk. The astronomical price increases in recent years reflect that. Its not about startups or harbouring talent…its about who has the biggest wallet and wants to shell out €1000 for a ticket.</p>
<p>I always wanted to go to the Web Summit in its early days, have no interest anymore. Its all very fake and plastic.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/271000/god-help-anyone-doesnt-degree-2431975/
Jimminy Cricket2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/271000/god-help-anyone-doesnt-degree-2431975/God help anyone who doesn’t have a degree. They condemned themselves to a life on the lowest rungs of the social ladder. There is no excuse in Ireland, considering that grants were so easily attainable
]]><p>God help anyone who doesn’t have a degree. They condemned themselves to a life on the lowest rungs of the social ladder. There is no excuse in Ireland, considering that grants were so easily attainable</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/32609/grade-inflation-degree-tourists-2431960/
Ben Gunn2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/32609/grade-inflation-degree-tourists-2431960/Grade inflation for degree tourists.
The clue is in the leaving cert points.
]]><p>Grade inflation for degree tourists.<br />
The clue is in the leaving cert points.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/7934/the-snobbery-education-surprising-considering-supposed-educated-2432406/
Andrew Potts2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/7934/the-snobbery-education-surprising-considering-supposed-educated-2432406/The snobbery in education is surprising considering they are supposed to be educated.
]]><p>The snobbery in education is surprising considering they are supposed to be educated.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/76119/taught-iot-cork-life-2432670/
Brendan Ryan2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/76119/taught-iot-cork-life-2432670/Taught in IOT Cork all my life. Grads work with pharmachem and IT multinationals eg Apple, Pfizer etc. All think very highly of IOT Grads. But what would they know??
]]><p>Taught in IOT Cork all my life. Grads work with pharmachem and IT multinationals eg Apple, Pfizer etc. All think very highly of IOT Grads. But what would they know??</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/57174/i-dont-intention-happy-coincidence-amount-free-publicity-2432251/
Claire Cullen-Delsol2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/57174/i-dont-intention-happy-coincidence-amount-free-publicity-2432251/I don’t know if it was their intention or a happy coincidence, but the amount of free publicity The Summit is getting from this suggests this is an intentionally controversial stunt.
]]><p>I don’t know if it was their intention or a happy coincidence, but the amount of free publicity The Summit is getting from this suggests this is an intentionally controversial stunt.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/202497/paddy-needs-resign-hea-someone-ignorant-bigoted-allowed-2433006/
Dimtim462014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/202497/paddy-needs-resign-hea-someone-ignorant-bigoted-allowed-2433006/Paddy needs to resign from the HEA- someone that ignorant and bigoted should not be allowed to govern our higher education system. How can he impartially distribute resources between the different participants when is so obviously trinity first.
]]><p>Paddy needs to resign from the HEA- someone that ignorant and bigoted should not be allowed to govern our higher education system. How can he impartially distribute resources between the different participants when is so obviously trinity first.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/21180/perhaps-year-brains-hiring-2432621/
Stephen Cushen2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/21180/perhaps-year-brains-hiring-2432621/Perhaps this year with all of the brains they will be hiring….they can A) provide a working WiFi network and B) provide attendees with a paper based schedule of talks with a description of what the talk is about as last year their mobile schedule app didn’t work!!
]]><p>Perhaps this year with all of the brains they will be hiring….they can A) provide a working WiFi network and B) provide attendees with a paper based schedule of talks with a description of what the talk is about as last year their mobile schedule app didn’t work!!</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/262050/quite-obviously-attain-degree-donald-duck-college-eden-2432858/
Wheres My Nama2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/262050/quite-obviously-attain-degree-donald-duck-college-eden-2432858/Quite obviously if you attain your “degree” from Donald Duck College on Eden Quay or if you go to UCD etc, the trinity one is more preferred. I got a law degree from a night course from a college somewhere in England, I barely attended and it’s in no way the same value as one from Trinity etc
]]><p>Quite obviously if you attain your “degree” from Donald Duck College on Eden Quay or if you go to UCD etc, the trinity one is more preferred. I got a law degree from a night course from a college somewhere in England, I barely attended and it’s in no way the same value as one from Trinity etc</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/179167/the-degrees-equal-weight-notoriously-difficult-trinity-comparison-2432553/
Megan McN2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/179167/the-degrees-equal-weight-notoriously-difficult-trinity-comparison-2432553/The thing is that while the degrees have equal weight, a first is notoriously difficult to get in trinity, in comparison to other universities where they are more lenient.
]]><p>The thing is that while the degrees have equal weight, a first is notoriously difficult to get in trinity, in comparison to other universities where they are more lenient.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/131416/httpgoo-2432641/
Barry Vickers2014-05-08http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/131416/httpgoo-2432641/http://goo.gl/s4vF3j
We take a holistic view.
]]><p><a href="http://goo.gl/s4vF3j" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/s4vF3j</a><br />
We take a holistic view.</p>
http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/272691/over-week-everyone-talking-graduate-screening-policy-the-2443823/
Deirdre Lillis2014-05-11http://www.thejournal.ie/profile/272691/over-week-everyone-talking-graduate-screening-policy-the-2443823/Over the last week everyone has been talking about the new graduate screening policy at The Summit. Going by many of the comments on social media, it is fair to say that it has left many people outraged, angry, disappointed and in many cases worried that this could set some new trend or ranking within the IT sector. While any company can decide their own recruitment policy, it was very disappointing that Paddy Cosgrave, who sits on the HEA board, seems to think that most degrees outside of Trinity are three years long. Let’s set the record straight on that. All of our undergraduate Honours Degrees at Level 8 (DT228, DT211 and DT282) are four years in duration.

As a point of information, over the last five years over one thousand DIT School of Computing graduates have successfully entered the workplace, demonstrating almost 100% employment rate, successfully competing with computing graduates across Ireland. DIT School of Computing graduates have found employment with all of the major IT companies in Ireland. Applicants are typically screened based on merit, performance, and experience, in an industry that seeks out talent and offers huge rewards.

The DIT School of Computing constantly seeks to improve all aspects of our courses and are constantly working on our relationship with Industry. At the recent Project Fair 2014, an industry sponsored event, over 200 companies were represented, seeing for themselves the highest level of student projects from our all our degree programmes. This event continues to grow and be a major source of recruitment, student placements and sponsorship. This year we are also establishing the Industry Engagement Office, in order to extend even further the range of activities and cooperation between the IT Industry and ourselves.

Our success is evidenced by the ever growing demand for our courses both nationally and internationally, with increases in our CAO points putting us on par with our university competitors. With yearly successes in undergraduate technology competitions such as the Imagine Cup, Games Fleadh, GosuCoder and of course the Undergraduate Awards which was won by a DIT School of Computing student in 2013.

The HEA has distanced itself from the Summit’s hiring policy, but it must deal with the fact that one of it’s own board members still believes that the majority of degrees outside of Trinity are three years in length. We of course will continue focusing on the quality of our own courses, our partnerships, and enhancing the reputation of our own School for the good of students past, present and future. We also call upon our own Institute, IOTs around the country and especially the IT Industry to reject this notion that we are not all equal. We believe that all computer graduates should have a fair chance to compete for a job based on their own merits which is surely a more sensible approach.

School of Computing
Dublin Institute of Technology

]]><p>Over the last week everyone has been talking about the new graduate screening policy at The Summit. Going by many of the comments on social media, it is fair to say that it has left many people outraged, angry, disappointed and in many cases worried that this could set some new trend or ranking within the IT sector. While any company can decide their own recruitment policy, it was very disappointing that Paddy Cosgrave, who sits on the HEA board, seems to think that most degrees outside of Trinity are three years long. Let’s set the record straight on that. All of our undergraduate Honours Degrees at Level 8 (DT228, DT211 and DT282) are four years in duration.</p>
<p>As a point of information, over the last five years over one thousand DIT School of Computing graduates have successfully entered the workplace, demonstrating almost 100% employment rate, successfully competing with computing graduates across Ireland. DIT School of Computing graduates have found employment with all of the major IT companies in Ireland. Applicants are typically screened based on merit, performance, and experience, in an industry that seeks out talent and offers huge rewards.</p>
<p>The DIT School of Computing constantly seeks to improve all aspects of our courses and are constantly working on our relationship with Industry. At the recent Project Fair 2014, an industry sponsored event, over 200 companies were represented, seeing for themselves the highest level of student projects from our all our degree programmes. This event continues to grow and be a major source of recruitment, student placements and sponsorship. This year we are also establishing the Industry Engagement Office, in order to extend even further the range of activities and cooperation between the IT Industry and ourselves. </p>
<p>Our success is evidenced by the ever growing demand for our courses both nationally and internationally, with increases in our CAO points putting us on par with our university competitors. With yearly successes in undergraduate technology competitions such as the Imagine Cup, Games Fleadh, GosuCoder and of course the Undergraduate Awards which was won by a DIT School of Computing student in 2013. </p>
<p>The HEA has distanced itself from the Summit’s hiring policy, but it must deal with the fact that one of it’s own board members still believes that the majority of degrees outside of Trinity are three years in length. We of course will continue focusing on the quality of our own courses, our partnerships, and enhancing the reputation of our own School for the good of students past, present and future. We also call upon our own Institute, IOTs around the country and especially the IT Industry to reject this notion that we are not all equal. We believe that all computer graduates should have a fair chance to compete for a job based on their own merits which is surely a more sensible approach.</p>
<p>School of Computing<br />
Dublin Institute of Technology</p>