That actually really helps. I understand better now. Thank you for your help. I'm within an inch at a 100 and I will only be deer hunting so that is definitely a tight enough group for my needs.
McKenzie

I have a Weatherby Vanguard in 308 that will shoot a clover leaf pattern @100 yards using Federal Premium 165 gr Sierra boat tails. My 16 y/o daughter uses the rifle and shoots inside an inch. If I try to use another brand with the same gr weight I don't shoot as tight. However my Winchester model 70 in 270 will group an inch with any 130 gr regardless of what brand??

I think sometimes we forget just how big the kill zone is on the Whitetails we love to hunt. Hitting a paper plate with every shot is a dead Deer. I really like it when the rounds from the bench are touching at 100 yards but that level of accuracy isn't required for hunting. It does do wonders for a persons confidence in his/her rifle shooting. For those that have access to hunting areas where a 300 yard shot is likely then that is a different story altogether. Those shooters need a higher level of accuracy because they are shooting over 3 times farther than the rest of us. It sure is fun putting bullets through the same hole at 50 yards. When they are really close at 100 yards it is fun picking on your buddy who has a larger group. I always give them an out and say they must have more wind blowing infront of their bench, afterall it is 3 feet away from mine.

That was a nice video. I also watched another one on zeroing a scope that was embarrassing. He shot a group at 100 yards that was 3 inches high and 1/2 inch left. He was going to give it two clicks right for the windage but then was going to crank the elevation adjustment until his crosshairs were centering in the bull. This assumed the rifle was not going to move while he made these adjustments. I don't understand why the shooter who trusted the windage adjustment clicks didn't just turn the elevation 12 clicks down. Maybe I am missing something, either way the shooter is going to have to shoot another group to verify the adjustments.

When I first got my rifle it was a 30-06 and I had great luck using regular green box Remingtons. The 165 gr is the perfect balance point for this cartridge. Remingtons are usually the lower price ammo and that gives you more practice for the buck. Double check that the mounts and rings are nice and tight prior to taking it to the range.

Karl

I've shot the 150's and the 180's, but not the 165's, I'll pick some up and try them. And yes, I'm diligent about checking the mounts before shooting. Thx.

About all I can say about rifles and bullets is that you have to learn what bullets your rifle likes and not what you like. Sometimes the two are the same. You're going to have to spend some time and $$ figuring out what your rifle likes to shoot. (And I guess that means spending some time at the range . . . and that's never a bad thing.)