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i found something similar via google, but i wanted to check that it meant
the same in this context.
why does T have an effect on it?

Why as in what purpose does it serve?
or
Why as in what's the mechanism?

Lyle

I meant what purpose does it serve, but it would also be interesting to know
what the mechanism is as well.

if I read it correctly, high levels of T are good for intelligence but
exceptionally high levels are bad.

I can understand that having higher levels of t would be good for males from
an evolutionary point of view, they would be bigger and stronger so more
likely to be better hunters and protectors, but why does very high levels of
t make you less intelligent?

i found something similar via google, but i wanted to check that it meant
the same in this context.
why does T have an effect on it?

Why as in what purpose does it serve?
or
Why as in what's the mechanism?

Lyle

I meant what purpose does it serve, but it would also be interesting to know
what the mechanism is as well.

Well, considering just how little we know about the neurobiology of how
various chemicals affect behavior, I think the mechanistic answer is
going to be a long time in coming.

if I read it correctly, high levels of T are good for intelligence but
exceptionally high levels are bad.

You read it incorrectly.

high T is good for THIS ONE SPECIFIC type of intelligence (i.e. there
are more than one type) but high T had negative effects.
I can understand that having higher levels of t would be good for males from
an evolutionary point of view, they would be bigger and stronger so more
likely to be better hunters and protectors, but why does very high levels of
t make you less intelligent?

Again, that's NOT what this paper says. It correlated high T with ONE
type of intelligence and very high T with a negative impact. You can't
simply define a singular type of intelligence and say anything very meaningful.

Beyond that, consider what other things that high T (such as agression,
combativeness) might also be related to. During a fight, for example,
you need some fluid skills, the ability to react quickly, think
abstractly, all of which probably made it more likely that yo'ud
survive. Or perhaps in the dangerous world in which we evolved (and in
which some folks still live), the ability to think fluidly would have
provided better survival. If you can think quickly and abstractly and
recognize potentially fatal interactions (ancestrally: lion over the
hill; modern terms: that dude looks like a gangbanger), you can avoid them.

Perhaps too high of test makes you lose that capacity, you go into a
berserker rage because you are TOO agressive (i.e. you hear stories of
folks who get into a fight and just blank out until it is over, there is
no thought, no conscious capacity, just intensified agression until it
is over and they snap out of it). In a dangerous world, being too
agressive, picking too many fights that you could skip out of by being
more fluid, might very well get you killed (ancestrally: **** that lion,
I'm going to kick his ass, you get eaten; modern times: **** that
gangbanger BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG, you're dead).

It's all about balance, like everything else.

All of which is me just pulling ideas out of my ass, just so you know.

The relationship between serum total testosterone (T) level and
fluid
intelligence (Cattell's Culture Fair Intelligence Test) was studied
in
young
men and women. There was no significant difference between IQs of
men
and
women. IQ tended to increase with T in men, except at very high T
levels. It
was concluded that (i) T may be associated with IQ, even in samples
with
no
sex-related IQ difference; (ii) too low or too high T may be
disadvantageous
for fluid intelligence in women; (iii) T may be advantageous for
this
kind
of IQ in men, except very high T levels.

i found something similar via google, but i wanted to check that it
meant
the same in this context.
why does T have an effect on it?

Why as in what purpose does it serve?
or
Why as in what's the mechanism?

Lyle

I meant what purpose does it serve, but it would also be interesting to
know
what the mechanism is as well.

Well, considering just how little we know about the neurobiology of how
various chemicals affect behavior, I think the mechanistic answer is
going to be a long time in coming.

if I read it correctly, high levels of T are good for intelligence but
exceptionally high levels are bad.

You read it incorrectly.

high T is good for THIS ONE SPECIFIC type of intelligence (i.e. there
are more than one type) but high T had negative effects.
I can understand that having higher levels of t would be good for males
from
an evolutionary point of view, they would be bigger and stronger so more
likely to be better hunters and protectors, but why does very high
levels of
t make you less intelligent?

Again, that's NOT what this paper says. It correlated high T with ONE
type of intelligence and very high T with a negative impact. You can't
simply define a singular type of intelligence and say anything very
meaningful.

Beyond that, consider what other things that high T (such as agression,
combativeness) might also be related to. During a fight, for example,
you need some fluid skills, the ability to react quickly, think
abstractly, all of which probably made it more likely that yo'ud
survive. Or perhaps in the dangerous world in which we evolved (and in
which some folks still live), the ability to think fluidly would have
provided better survival. If you can think quickly and abstractly and
recognize potentially fatal interactions (ancestrally: lion over the
hill; modern terms: that dude looks like a gangbanger), you can avoid
them.

Perhaps too high of test makes you lose that capacity, you go into a
berserker rage because you are TOO agressive (i.e. you hear stories of
folks who get into a fight and just blank out until it is over, there is
no thought, no conscious capacity, just intensified agression until it
is over and they snap out of it). In a dangerous world, being too
agressive, picking too many fights that you could skip out of by being
more fluid, might very well get you killed (ancestrally: **** that lion,
I'm going to kick his ass, you get eaten; modern times: **** that
gangbanger BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG, you're dead).

It's all about balance, like everything else.

All of which is me just pulling ideas out of my ass, just so you know.

Lyle

your ideas sound reasonable.

I am trying to raise my levels of T naturally and came across the above and
was concerned that if I do this I might get some bad side effects.

would it be possible to raise levels of T via natural means that would be
considered excessive levels?

if not what can I do to raise your natural T levels?

I am weight training with heavy weights for 8-12 reps, taking a multivit and
min, EFA and creatine. Is there anything I can emphasise in my diet that
would encourage T production?

from what I have been able to understand T is made in the body from
cholesterol, but I don't really want to start eating massive amounts of that
as it appears to not be very good for you.

The relationship between serum total testosterone (T) level and
fluid
intelligence (Cattell's Culture Fair Intelligence Test) was studied
in
young
men and women. There was no significant difference between IQs of
men
and
women. IQ tended to increase with T in men, except at very high T
levels. It
was concluded that (i) T may be associated with IQ, even in samples
with
no
sex-related IQ difference; (ii) too low or too high T may be
disadvantageous
for fluid intelligence in women; (iii) T may be advantageous for
this
kind
of IQ in men, except very high T levels.

i found something similar via google, but i wanted to check that it
meant
the same in this context.

why does T have an effect on it?

Why as in what purpose does it serve?
or
Why as in what's the mechanism?

Lyle

I meant what purpose does it serve, but it would also be interesting to
know
what the mechanism is as well.

Well, considering just how little we know about the neurobiology of how
various chemicals affect behavior, I think the mechanistic answer is
going to be a long time in coming.

if I read it correctly, high levels of T are good for intelligence but
exceptionally high levels are bad.

You read it incorrectly.

high T is good for THIS ONE SPECIFIC type of intelligence (i.e. there
are more than one type) but high T had negative effects.
I can understand that having higher levels of t would be good for males
from
an evolutionary point of view, they would be bigger and stronger so more
likely to be better hunters and protectors, but why does very high
levels of
t make you less intelligent?

Again, that's NOT what this paper says. It correlated high T with ONE
type of intelligence and very high T with a negative impact. You can't
simply define a singular type of intelligence and say anything very
meaningful.

Beyond that, consider what other things that high T (such as agression,
combativeness) might also be related to. During a fight, for example,
you need some fluid skills, the ability to react quickly, think
abstractly, all of which probably made it more likely that yo'ud
survive. Or perhaps in the dangerous world in which we evolved (and in
which some folks still live), the ability to think fluidly would have
provided better survival. If you can think quickly and abstractly and
recognize potentially fatal interactions (ancestrally: lion over the
hill; modern terms: that dude looks like a gangbanger), you can avoid
them.

Perhaps too high of test makes you lose that capacity, you go into a
berserker rage because you are TOO agressive (i.e. you hear stories of
folks who get into a fight and just blank out until it is over, there is
no thought, no conscious capacity, just intensified agression until it
is over and they snap out of it). In a dangerous world, being too
agressive, picking too many fights that you could skip out of by being
more fluid, might very well get you killed (ancestrally: **** that lion,
I'm going to kick his ass, you get eaten; modern times: **** that
gangbanger BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG, you're dead).

It's all about balance, like everything else.

All of which is me just pulling ideas out of my ass, just so you know.

Lyle

your ideas sound reasonable.

I am trying to raise my levels of T naturally and came across the above and
was concerned that if I do this I might get some bad side effects.

would it be possible to raise levels of T via natural means that would be
considered excessive levels?

Doubtful.
if not what can I do to raise your natural T levels?

Why do you want to raise my natural T levels?
I am weight training with heavy weights for 8-12 reps, taking a multivit and
min, EFA and creatine. Is there anything I can emphasise in my diet that
would encourage T production?

sufficient dietary fat and calories.

from what I have been able to understand T is made in the body from
cholesterol, but I don't really want to start eating massive amounts of that
as it appears to not be very good for you.

i found something similar via google, but i wanted to check that it meant
the same in this context.
why does T have an effect on it?

Why as in what purpose does it serve?
or
Why as in what's the mechanism?

Lyle

I meant what purpose does it serve, but it would also be interesting to
know
what the mechanism is as well.

if I read it correctly, high levels of T are good for intelligence but
exceptionally high levels are bad.

I can understand that having higher levels of t would be good for males
from
an evolutionary point of view, they would be bigger and stronger so more
likely to be better hunters and protectors, but why does very high levels
of
t make you less intelligent?

i found something similar via google, but i wanted to check that it meant
the same in this context.
why does T have an effect on it?

Why as in what purpose does it serve?
or
Why as in what's the mechanism?

Lyle

I meant what purpose does it serve, but it would also be interesting to
know
what the mechanism is as well.

if I read it correctly, high levels of T are good for intelligence but
exceptionally high levels are bad.

I can understand that having higher levels of t would be good for males
from
an evolutionary point of view, they would be bigger and stronger so more
likely to be better hunters and protectors, but why does very high levels
of
t make you less intelligent?

The relationship between serum total testosterone (T) level and
fluid
intelligence (Cattell's Culture Fair Intelligence Test) was
studied in
young
men and women. There was no significant difference between IQs of
men
and
women. IQ tended to increase with T in men, except at very high T
levels. It
was concluded that (i) T may be associated with IQ, even in
samples
with
no
sex-related IQ difference; (ii) too low or too high T may be
disadvantageous
for fluid intelligence in women; (iii) T may be advantageous for
this
kind
of IQ in men, except very high T levels.

i found something similar via google, but i wanted to check that it
meant
the same in this context.

why does T have an effect on it?

Why as in what purpose does it serve?
or
Why as in what's the mechanism?

Lyle

I meant what purpose does it serve, but it would also be interesting
to
know
what the mechanism is as well.

if I read it correctly, high levels of T are good for intelligence but
exceptionally high levels are bad.

I can understand that having higher levels of t would be good for
males
from
an evolutionary point of view, they would be bigger and stronger so
more
likely to be better hunters and protectors, but why does very high
levels
of
t make you less intelligent?

Curvelinear correlations between total testosterone levels and fluid intelligence in men and women.

snip

I meant what purpose does it serve, but it would also be interesting to
know
what the mechanism is as well.

if I read it correctly, high levels of T are good for intelligence but
exceptionally high levels are bad.

I can understand that having higher levels of t would be good for males
from
an evolutionary point of view, they would be bigger and stronger so more
likely to be better hunters and protectors, but why does very high levels
of
t make you less intelligent?

Cuz you would wanna fight and **** everything that moves.

you should write books on evolutionary psychology

Lyle

Well he'd have to do it in a library or something because according to
evolutionary psychologists (or maybe just the fat ones) he couldn't
concentrate on anything for more than a few seconds with a
refrigerator nearby ;-)

Curvelinear correlations between total testosterone levels and fluid intelligence in men and women.

"Bob MacWilliam" wrote in message
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snip

I meant what purpose does it serve, but it would also be interesting
to
know
what the mechanism is as well.

if I read it correctly, high levels of T are good for intelligence
but
exceptionally high levels are bad.

I can understand that having higher levels of t would be good for
males
from
an evolutionary point of view, they would be bigger and stronger so
more
likely to be better hunters and protectors, but why does very high
levels
of
t make you less intelligent?

Cuz you would wanna fight and **** everything that moves.

you should write books on evolutionary psychology

Lyle

Well he'd have to do it in a library or something because according to
evolutionary psychologists (or maybe just the fat ones) he couldn't
concentrate on anything for more than a few seconds with a
refrigerator nearby ;-)