Although, on a happier note, Prop 109 was defeated. "No law shall be enacted and no rule should be adopted that unreasonably restricts hunting, fishing and the harvesting of wildlife or the use of traditional means and methods. [...] Lawful public hunting and fishing should be a preferred method of managing and controlling wildlife."

Wow, I'm shocked. That's great. Was there a campaign against it? I think this is the first time this has failed anywhere.

Although, on a happier note, Prop 109 was defeated. "No law shall be enacted and no rule should be adopted that unreasonably restricts hunting, fishing and the harvesting of wildlife or the use of traditional means and methods. [...] Lawful public hunting and fishing should be a preferred method of managing and controlling wildlife."

Wow, I'm shocked. That's great. Was there a campaign against it? I think this is the first time this has failed anywhere.

Are you saying all people who vote Republican fall under that category? Although things right now seem polarized, they didn't always seem that way. And although I think there were some really really bad Republican candidates out there, I don't know if saying they are all bad or worse than democratic candidates would be true in every case, especially on the local level.

I hope you'll allow a bit of exaggeration now and then.

And which Republicans were the good guys this time around?

I do not know but then again, just because someone isn't spewing the crazy rhetoric doesn't mean they are a good guy. I'm not a political person but I think on some level there are probably republicans that still hold true to the traditional republican ideals, whether or not those ideals are beneficial to a society as a whole, that is debatable. Some of them may be riding the crazy rhetoric even if they aren't spewing it. I also don't think the democrats are exactly wearing halos.

_________________You are all a disgrace to vegans. Go f*ck yourselves, especially linanil.

Although, on a happier note, Prop 109 was defeated. "No law shall be enacted and no rule should be adopted that unreasonably restricts hunting, fishing and the harvesting of wildlife or the use of traditional means and methods. [...] Lawful public hunting and fishing should be a preferred method of managing and controlling wildlife."

Wow, I'm shocked. That's great. Was there a campaign against it? I think this is the first time this has failed anywhere.

During his reelection bid, controversy erupted when Bunning described Mongiardo as looking "like one of Saddam Hussein's sons."[7] Public pressure compelled him to apologize. Bunning was also criticized for his use of a teleprompter during a televised debate with Mongiardo where Bunning participated via satellite link, refusing to appear in person.[8] Bunning was further criticized for making an unsubstantiated claim that his wife had been attacked by Mongiardo's supporters,[9] and for calling Mongiardo "limp wristed".[7] Bunning's mental health was also questioned during the campaign.

So...he may be pure evil, but at least Paul knows how to put on his pants in the morning? Trying to find a bright side to being represented by the Aqua Buddha.

Are you saying all people who vote Republican fall under that category? Although things right now seem polarized, they didn't always seem that way. And although I think there were some really really bad Republican candidates out there, I don't know if saying they are all bad or worse than democratic candidates would be true in every case, especially on the local level.

I hope you'll allow a bit of exaggeration now and then.

And which Republicans were the good guys this time around?

I do not know but then again, just because someone isn't spewing the crazy rhetoric doesn't mean they are a good guy. I'm not a political person but I think on some level there are probably republicans that still hold true to the traditional republican ideals, whether or not those ideals are beneficial to a society as a whole, that is debatable. Some of them may be riding the crazy rhetoric even if they aren't spewing it. I also don't think the democrats are exactly wearing halos.

Most Democrats suck. Many of the ones who don't lost yesterday. Feingold and Grayson, RIP.

in 10 years after a republican has served for 8 democrats will sweep again everyone will suddenly love people again.

No I won't. You may think we're oversimplifying but so are you.I haven't paid much attention to this years elections which is dumb of me. But the fact that all we're doing is voting for whoever is out of power in the mad hope that it will solve the economy and everything else is a pretty sad state of affairs for the public. And we're bringing it on ourselves. Until this country has a serious political shift nothing is going to continue to happen except a bunch of arguing and foolish policies aimed at polarizing the party bases. I think the best we can hope for is gridlock, frankly. People just want to hear stupid sound bites. I never heard a damn thing this year about anything that has actually been accomplished in the last 2 years and I know shiitake has gotten done, even if I didn't agree with it. All I heard was 'change is needed'. bullshiitake. My worry is that the republicans are awfully good at sticking together come hell or high water to keep policies they don't like from happening. The democrats will roll over faster than a june bug on a log in Louisiana in the summer and give up gay rights and women's rights and all other rights to the people who are their constant supporters and cry moderation and then I will just cry.It is early and I am depressed.

WASHINGTON – A chastened President Barack Obama signaled a willingness to compromise with Republicans on tax cuts and energy policy Wednesday, one day after his party lost control of the House and suffered deep Senate losses in midterm elections.

Although, on a happier note, Prop 109 was defeated. "No law shall be enacted and no rule should be adopted that unreasonably restricts hunting, fishing and the harvesting of wildlife or the use of traditional means and methods. [...] Lawful public hunting and fishing should be a preferred method of managing and controlling wildlife."

Wow, I'm shocked. That's great. Was there a campaign against it? I think this is the first time this has failed anywhere.

In North Dakota a proposed ban on canned (fenced) hunting failed (56% opposed.)

No campaign that I know of. I actually didn't hear of it til I saw it on the ballot.

Lovin' Spoonfuls (vegan place in Tucson) had lots of leaflets and bumper stickers opposing it. That was the first that I heard of it -- I'm not sure who opposed it in an organized way, but I'm thrilled that it lost by so much.

_________________Empathy, he once had decided, must be limited to herbivores or anyhow omnivores who could depart from a meat diet.--Philip K. Dick

On the bright side, Missouri passed Proposition B, which imposes laws restricting breeding and cracking down on puppy mills and facilities that breed dogs for laboratory research. Despite all the crepe that went down last night, I can smile today.

This is what's pulling me through today. Seriously, what an abysmal night. I can't believe we lost Feingold and got another WASPy millionaire in the Senate. Because America needs more of those. Ridiculous.

I didn't think you were calling my family idiots. I just have gotten a bit tired of the extreme language on both sides I suppose. I don't think calling people idiots helps the cause. I understand the frustration behind it, I just don't think it lends itself to a dialog. I also understand that that is not the point of this thread so I will hush now.

My worry is that the republicans are awfully good at sticking together come hell or high water to keep policies they don't like from happening. The democrats will roll over faster than a june bug on a log in Louisiana in the summer and give up gay rights and women's rights and all other rights to the people who are their constant supporters and cry moderation and then I will just cry.

This. I agree entirely, pandacookie. If Obama had spent some of his political capital from the election on getting farther on health care and clean energy/cap and trade I could feel a little better about this election's results. But no... all of this for very, very little. Disappointing, to say the least. And Pandacookie, you're exactly right. Dems are going to roll over faster than you can say "re-election" now. They were an awful opposition party during the Bush years, and no indications that anything has changed there, particularly under the leadership of Harry Reid in the Senate.

At least Prop B passed in Missouri. And that's HUGE - there's a lot of money in that state invested in puppy mills and even the AKC came out against the measure. Any Missouri folks on these boards work on that campaign? If so you're AWESOME!!! : )

I didn't think you were calling my family idiots. I just have gotten a bit tired of the extreme language on both sides I suppose. I don't think calling people idiots helps the cause. I understand the frustration behind it, I just don't think it lends itself to a dialog. I also understand that that is not the point of this thread so I will hush now.

You don't have to hush.

I agree that if I were out there holding a sign calling Republicans idiots, that might be counter-productive. (Might.)

My worry is that the republicans are awfully good at sticking together come hell or high water to keep policies they don't like from happening. The democrats will roll over faster than a june bug on a log in Louisiana in the summer and give up gay rights and women's rights and all other rights to the people who are their constant supporters and cry moderation and then I will just cry.

This. I agree entirely, pandacookie. If Obama had spent some of his political capital from the election on getting farther on health care and clean energy/cap and trade I could feel a little better about this election's results. But no... all of this for very, very little. Disappointing, to say the least. And Pandacookie, you're exactly right. Dems are going to roll over faster than you can say "re-election" now. They were an awful opposition party during the Bush years, and no indications that anything has changed there, particularly under the leadership of Harry Reid in the Senate.

At least Prop B passed in Missouri. And that's HUGE - there's a lot of money in that state invested in puppy mills and even the AKC came out against the measure. Any Missouri folks on these boards work on that campaign? If so you're AWESOME!!! : )

At least Prop B passed in Missouri. And that's HUGE - there's a lot of money in that state invested in puppy mills and even the AKC came out against the measure. Any Missouri folks on these boards work on that campaign? If so you're AWESOME!!! : )

I'm no longer a Missourian, but I helped out. I've been working and volunteering in shelters too long *not* to get involved just because I moved 30 minutes away from the state line.

The major positives I'm taking away from this election: a) known racist and probable goatfucker Carl Paladino got trounced (at least New York remains relatively sane) and b) I can now accurately describe Sandra Lee as "The First Special Lady of New York".

Clearly Americans were dissatisfied with the objective reality that the Obama administration and the congressional Democrats actually made things better by cutting the deficit by an historic $122 billion; creating upwards of three million new jobs; ending the war in Iraq; passing the largest middle class tax cut in history; and rescuing the economy from the brink of collapse. Not good enough, obviously.

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Of course there's also the Flailing Rage Factor, which I tend to favor as a reason for yesterday's outcome more than ignorance or lack of Democratic marketing chops. For two years now, Americans have been incited by fakery and horror stories to the point of being pumped up into a 'roid raging mob chanting shallow platitudes and bumper sticker zingers—incoherently attacking Speaker Pelosi's face, and bent out of shape by the fact that there's not a doddering old white guy stumbling through the West Wing spinning grandfatherly yarns about American mornings and saintly cowboys.

(Not sure about the ending-the-war-in-Iraq part, but the rest of it seems dead-on to me.)