Adam Lambert Arrested After Fight with Boyfriend

Reports about this still seem murky, but Adam Lambert and his Finnish boyfriend, Sauli Koskinen, spent several hours in a Finnish jail Thursday after being arrested outside a Helsinki gay bar following a brawl. (Via Hollywood Reporter)

According to Petri Juvonen, who is heading up the police investigation into the event, Lambert and Koskinen were arrested at around 4 a.m. Thursday morning outside DTM (Don’t Tell Mama), a famous Helsinki gay club.

According to media reports out of Finland, the dispute between the two men started in one of DTM’s back rooms. Lambert and Koskinen, a winner of the Finnish version of Big Brother, were apparently kicked out of the club but carried on fighting in the street outside.

Finnish beauty queen Sofia Ruusila, an ex-Miss Helsinki, who had been celebrating with Lambert and Koskinen, told a Finnish entertainment channel that she had tried to get between the quarrelling couple when Lambert accidently hit her by mistake.

Investigator Juvonen has completed his interrogation and the two were released on Thursday afternoon. Koskinen later blogged about the incident, writing in Finnish (as translated by Google): “Celebrities are people too and fame is not easy. Love is not always easy either, but it’s forever.” Koskinen goes on to say that the “hangover is gone already” and “Paparazzi, police stations have back doors, too, go away already.”

I have nothing to say about this, except that people can do really really dumb things when they are drunk. I’m sure it’ll all blow over eventually. In the meantime, it’s more press for Adam, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing–unless somebody kills a puppy, or something. Which doesn’t seem to be the case here.

Here’s a Finnish News Report.

Says Sauli was hauled off to a “drunk tank” type place, but Adam was taken to the police station?

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Where’s the mug shot? I’m sure it’s just as sexy as his other tabloid pics.

Valentin432

WTF!
Never thought Adam was the type to get into a fight. I just hope he doesn’t spend Christmas night in a jail.

xof 1013

Update on Finland incident

Summary based on direct mentions on twitter from those involved, police statements and more legit press translations –

They were apparently arguing and “others” tried to get between them. The “fight” – physically – consisted of like shoving / “drunken hugging” – i.e. wrestling. When the gf of Sauli’s friend Niko from BB tried to comfort Adam, he accidentally knocked her but she’s completely fine – according to her.

Via @TilaTortilla – Niko says it wasnt as big of a deal as the media makes it look like. A & S were fighting in the kitchen and Niko went to take S away from the situation and Sofia comforted crying Adam…

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These things happen in a night out in Finland all the time, it’s just being famous that escalated the press reporting stuff that didn’t happen – meaning there wasn’t any punches thrown, no injuries, etc.

They were taken in by police to separate holding room precincts (drunk tanks) – and held until morning – the arguing was around 4:30AM. Once they were talked with, both were released without charges. Police are saying it was a small incident.

Translation by @Rebeccaryuu – “Celebrities are people too and fame is not easy. Love is not always easy either, but it’s forever. He thanks friends and his namu = darling for a lovely evening and apologizes for all the trouble and worry but everything is truly fine now. He’s also saying he won’t comment more because everyone seems to know everything better than he does anyway. And adds that the night was fun and hangover is gone already. And “Paparazzi, police stations have back doors, too, go away already.”

By @illuxxia says: “Everything is ok and we’ll be laughing at this soon. Happiness, sadness, quarrels and love are a part of life. But love wins.”

… and something about the drunk tank needing warmer blankets, he was cold

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Finnish folks on twitter are saying that comments by Sauli were “necessary” in order to get the Finnish Press – which are worse than the US press, if you can believe – to back off.

Anonymous

Yep, no puppies were injured in this altercation! Cute!

It will blow over, especially because no charges were brought against each other and the boyfriend is already talking about how much he loves him and that it’s “forever” and such.

Alcohol is a really bad beast. We all know that.

Anonymous

MJ, thanks for reporting this as best as you can! so many other bloggers and tabs out there are just making shite up for hits. Alot of conflicting reports and different accounts, one can’t help but be confused. Thanks!

Anonymous

They weren’t really even in jail, but a holding area. Both were released after questioning. Nothing came of it.

ETA: Or what Xof said. lol

mmb

Mj, Shirley already updated her post at THR. Adam and Sauli were released after a few hours, no charges brought, no further investigation.

Anonymous

If the boyfriend was a girlfriend folks would talling her to move on. Because it’s two guys, that’s supposed to change the dynamic. Maybe they should both take a break. I don’t think two people fighting and being arrested is a great advertisement for their love.

I wonder if we’ll ever find out what caused the fight. And the addition of the ex-Miss Helsinki just adds to the whole weirdness of it all. :0

Anonymous

No one was arrested.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

MJ! You are so awesome! I agree with posts above. You did a great job reporting this without sensationalizing it for hits, like others. I have to agree that alcohol is a beast but have to admit being involved in drunken fights like this with my husband 18+ years ago. Alcohol + new relationships (less than 2 years) + jealousy = bad mojo folks! :)

Niko, who they were out with, and Sauli had a huge flirtatious bromance on Big Brother. They slept together in the same bed and hugged each other and kissed often on the show. If Adam knows about these things, and I am sure he does, he might possibly be jealous. Adding alcohol into an evening out with him was not the smartest of moves. :)

I am glad everybody is safe and I am happy that love is still in the air!

Anonymous

When the police take you to the police station and hold you in jail for a while, is that voluntary? I thought it was an arrest. Maybe it has another name! ;)

If he wasn’t arrested, MJ should def change the title of this thread

larc

I was shocked when I saw the headline, but it’s all just a little bit funny. At least nobody was hurt or charged. And there’s always the making up part. ;)

koshka

LOL the ad on this page for me is… “legal issues can be scary!” with to middle aged women staring up, with the jaws dropped.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

People can be taken in for questioning without being charged or arrested.

Anonymous

You don’t have to be arrested to be brought in for questioning. It happens all the time.

mmb

Jpfan2 in the us and in many countries you can be brought in to a police station for questioning without being formally arrested. A formal arrest usually only occurs with a Charge

Anonymous

As much as you try to gloss this over & “blame it on the alcohol” it is disappointing. Hopefully it is as minor as many of you insist it is. But if it is not, it is disturbing. There is way too much violence in the world.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

MJ, thanks for posting a measured and non-sensationalized account of the news coming out of Finland. I appreciate the objectivity, especially with the idiotic way many will spin this.

Anonymous

The word “arrested” was used in the report. I’m sticking with it.

Anonymous

LOL the Miss Helsinki is a nice touch. It’s all very soap opera ish. She happens to be the girlfriend of one of Sauli’s closest friends.

Yeah, well if there was actual assault, I think we would all be talking about this thing differently, But I think that is very far from the truth. The boyfriend downplayed the whole thing in front of the police and is already making public declarations of love so the Finnish rags will back off. We have no idea about what their relationship is like, except that I think they’re cute.

Getting arrested for fighting with each other while drunk makes a great grandparent story LOL

eta: I’m a huge Adam fan, but they WERE arrested and held in custody for a night. At least that’s what police told the Finnish mags. Maybe the translators got it wrong. No way to spin it, imo.

Tess

If I would have told all of my girlfriends to “move on” after a quibble with a boyfriend after a tipsy evening out I wouldn’t have to be worrying about so many Godmother gifts this Christmas, that’s for sure. We don’t have a clue what caused the rift between the two, lovers quarrels go on all the time over the silliest things and the weirdest situations. Sauli and Adam are only human, they like their nights out, and they probably get involved in the same situations that a lot of couples do. I’m not excusing the situation, but also don’t see it as anything “out of the ordinary” except that it occurred between two peeps who are more high profile than the average Joe.

Anonymous

If the boyfriend was a girlfriend folks would talling her to move on.
Because it’s two guys, that’s supposed to change the dynamic.

well, and I suppose, it is here where it get’s murky. who is to say that the dynamic between two guys in a relationship is supposed to be the same as between a guy and a girl. I’ d kind of assume that guys do think differently than girls, no?

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

Sauli’s friend Niko, who was there, has indicated it was minor. I’d take his word over the words of tabloid papers and bloggers interested in getting sales and hits on their sites.

Anonymous

LOL! I would have loved to been a fly on the wall, when Adam’s parents the early morning call that their grown son was arrested overseas for fighting with his boyfriend. Also, if Adam’s PR team wasn’t prepared for the drama that comes with with him, then this is just an appetizer of what’s to come.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

Well said, Tess.

Anonymous

I believe that a drunken hetero couple fighting/ wrestling each other in the street and then causing such a scene that they’re picked up by the police wouldn’t be as harmless as people think. I’m not saying it’s a big deal but it ain’t nothing either. At the very least if I had a friend in that situation, I’d be very concerned about the drinking issue.

Anonymous

And if I remember correctly, Niko is the one dating the girl who was “struck.” I can imagine that had it truly been a bigger thing, he would have been a little bit po’d.

Anonymous

Not going to begrudge anyone their “hits” in this economy. Everyone’s gotta make a buck, that’s for sure. Arrested, fight, gay bar, brawl… all very scintillating… ’tis the season.

Dakota01

Seems to me this is only news because they’re famous. If it were any “ordinary” couple, this wouldn’t even be news but, of course, we know this is the price you pay for fame. While we don’t have all the facts and I certainly don’t condone violence in any form, the fact that they were not charged and released leads me to conclude that this was a minor incident with no violence involved. However, how the media decides to report this “news” is another story entirely. I’m sure it will blow over quickly.

Anonymous

They say all publicity is good publicity so….. and Adam never has tried to sell himself as some squeaky clean role model so…. and it only involved consenting adults so….

However, if he had gotten into a fight with his girlfriend (instead of gay boyfriend) with pushing and “drunk hugging,” and additionally someone who tried to intervene got hit, however accidental, there would have definitely been an arrest and he would be vilified. Not saying it should happen, but double standards irritate me to no end.

Kitwana

Yeah, Shirley Halperin is always quick to update her stories when she gets more facts. She knows the power and reach of the Hollywood Reporter. She never wants her stories to leave a wrong impression with anyone. NOT!!!!!

mmb

Just curious why the assumption that Adam caused the fight and that Sauli is ” the girl” who should move on? Maybe Sauli picked the fight? Who knows. No one knows who started it, what it was about etc. All we know is they were both picked up by police, released and no charges filed. Adam will get a few days of press as the event is sensationalized beyond the minor public quarrel it appears to be

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I agree with you graceinspace and Mj has it right… no need to change the word arrested. I loved the grandparent story comment! lol

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

mechanically maybe lol but for the most part no… Love is love

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

yeah, exactly.

http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

Adam’s phone must be blowing up with friends, family, his publicist, his record label, his management. Lord knows what is being said. Leila’s probably on her way to the airport crying “I’m coming baby!”

That said, I think Adam has a problem with his temper and needs to work on that BIG TIME.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P46N6P5XPK22JVXDJJEENXGLVE marie

I don’t drink but reading some of the tweets on twitter and reading some comments here gives me a headache. I feel like I’m having a serious hangover. I don’t know what happen with Adam and Sauli I see people jumping to all sorts of conclusion. Maybe they were filming the new video for BTIKM and people got confused.

Anonymous

Yep, they’re both men. Size shouldn’t matter. Sauli is shorter but he’s not some fraily thing. They were BOTH arrested. This whole “Adam is a dangerous boyfriend” doesn’t sit well with me.

Anonymous

Don’t care what the circumstance or who is involved – there is never an excuse for any type of physical violence. Saying alcohol caused it doesn’t absolve anyone of the responsibility for their actions.

http://twitter.com/starfishy2000 starfishy2000

I hope it is true that this was not as bad as it was reported. However, I don’t like how it is so easily okay and explained away. Had this been someone else, they would have been hung out to dry. The double standards amaze me.

Anonymous

Just a point of accuracy. There is no proof of any physical violence or assault beyond some shoving. Otherwise they wouldnt have been released with no charges. Just saying.

I think they were mostly held for the drunken/disorderly part more then the “violence” part.

harvestmoon

Ahhhh, to be young again and in love….

http://twitter.com/PerfectlySpicy PerfectlySpicy

WTF? What indicates that Adam has a problem with his temper? He has been in the news for the past 3 yrs and there is no such indication.

Another case of jumping to conclusions. Please.

Anonymous

Thank you. Power dynamic between genders is completely different between people of the same sex. On top of that, some of the reports say the boyfriend was the first to act, so honestly to lay blame on either when the facts are not all here is just idiotic imo.

Anonymous

Sandal sells. Coincidence with album drop. Any publicity is good. Give me a break.

Anonymous

In my life I have found the word “fight” to have a wide, wide range of meaning or interpretation. I have heard people say they “got in a fight” when they really just raised their voices in what I would call an argument or disagreement. Then on the other end of the spectrum is a “fight” that is a really physical altercation between angry people out to do real bodily harm to the other.

IMHO all this sounds like is drunken misunderstanding and hurt feelings. Bars will ask drunk, loud, angry or upset people to leave, you don’t have to be throwing punches to get kicked out. Several accounts I read implied it was over by the time the police got there but they were pretty drunk. So they probably got taken in to dry out and cool off. More of a preventative measure.

It’s Adam’s life and his business. Not going to finger wag. He’s an adult and stuff happens. Hah, my ex and I didn’t have to be drunk to have massive arguments. If anyone was physically hurt then that’s a different story. I’m not seeing any comments regarding any physical damage from what ever altercation they did or didn’t have.

Anonymous

People need to stop with their heteronormative stereotyping.

Anonymous

Size shouldn’t matter. Heh. But seriously, folks seem to be forgetting that the girl involved felt the need to “comfort” Adam who was “crying.” He doesn’t exactly sound like the aggressor here.

But, again, who knows. Assumptions being what they are and all…

Anonymous

Adam needs help. He shouldn’t be using his fists to solve his problems. I don’t care if he was drunk, he is still responsible for his actions. There is nothing normal about this behavior it is abusive. I hope Adam takes responsibilities for his actions and gets the help he needs.

Tess

At the very least if I had a friend in that situation, I’d be concerned about the drinking issue.

Since I’ve been “involved” in my share of tipsy nights over the last 40 years I never begrudge anyone their right to let down their hair for a night…and it doesn’t, IMO, speak any the less about someone’s innate character. Just like I don’t care if people are happier being sober 24/7.

I really wonder if Sauli and Adam had been unknowns if the police would have even been summoned….things may have just escalated because the incident became attention gathering because of who it involved.

fuzzywuzzy

The report doesn’t sound bad. What are you referring to? As for double standards, the Claymates wrote the book on that. lol

Anonymous

It’s true the gf comment was wrong. I just used it because Adam’s bf is so much smaller than he is. It’s more a size thing. I have no idea who/what caused the fight. I just hope the next Idol who gets into a bar fight with their significant other gets the “grandparents” defense as well. ;)

Couples whether hetero or homosexual aren’t all that different from each other.
This sounds like a pair with some significant issues to work on!

Anonymous

I don’t know that they are released with no charges. AOL is reporting that the pair can face up to 4 assault charges according to the person heading the investigation.

Anonymous

mechanically maybe lol but for the most part no… Love is love

believe me, I was not talking the physical aspects… I just simply do not understand why people hold a relationship between two dudes to the same standard as between a dude and a girl. Is it only because gay couples want to have the right to get married (trying to achieve the same social, economic and legal standard as the hetero couples)? And by standard I do not mean moral standards, these should be universal. I mean the simple dynamics of thinking and emoting. If we were talking two simple dudes (no relationship) getting arrested, fighting or whatever.. like say (for example only) Robert Pattinson and Jacob Taylor.. would we talk about abuse and victims? No, the ground would be equal. So what is different here?

Anonymous

No fists were involved. Accusations of abuse should not be thrown around lightly, otherwise real victims of abuse are trivialized imo.

Anonymous

Adam needs help. He shouldn’t be using his fists to solve his problems.

I haven’t seen anything that said Adam used his fists…where are you reading that??

http://twitter.com/PerfectlySpicy PerfectlySpicy

“This sounds like a pair with some significant issues to work on!”

And another case of jumping to conclusions. Jeesh!

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

What double standard? It sounds like any other case where people who were drunk and a bit out of control got brought into a police station to calm down, sober up, and ultimately get released. This is not the first time this has happened for hetero or gay couple, or for non-famous either.

Anonymous

Grandparents defense?

The main difference is that gender equalizes the power dynamic somewhat. As someone who is not “hetero” herself, this is a fact that people sometimes do not grasp. We’re not different in many ways, but applying conventions that are heteronormative in nature is inaccurate too. It’s equally normal but it’s not exactly the same.

Anonymous

Reminder:

If you are posting here for the first time, you need to read my guidelines:

Amazing how whenever Adam is involved in anything he is given a free pass…..oh thats right, he is perfect and can do no wrong….

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I see what you are saying… Yeah seems to be a double standard there as well.

http://twitter.com/PerfectlySpicy PerfectlySpicy

From the information that has been reported thus far, there as been NO indication that actual fists were used by anyone.

It’s too bad people are really quick to point the finger and make seriously irresponsible statements. It sickens me.

Anonymous

They are incorrect as of now. They were based on the initial reports, but those were hours ago.

Investigator Juvonen has completed his interrogation and the two were released with no charges on Thursday afternoon.

mmb

Fwiw a lot of the articles coming out now ( including aol etc) are based in earlier reports before Adam and Sauli released. I suspect that, since it’s more salacious to report the arrest and “jail” that none of these media articles will update to note the release and no further investigation details…..

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Well… There were all these rumors that Adam was going to be on the X Factor… he may not be on it but he certainly might overshadow it a bit. lol :)

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BHCD4X7GHJ23SMJ2M2RCQUSNUM Pat

Which one has the muscles and the 6 pack again?………….oh yeah,not Adam.
As a diminutive person,I am a bit offended by your assumptions about size and strength.

Anonymous

If we were talking two simple dudes (no relationship) getting arrested, fighting or whatever.. like say (for example only) Robert Pattinson and Jacob Taylor.. would we talk about abuse and victims? No, the ground would be equal. So what is different here?

They are in a relationship is why it is different, which means there are totally different dynamics going on that just two dude who are friends. They are less likely to seek assitance if they are being hurt because they love the person and don’t want to get them in trouble. Not saying there is abuse here at all, because I agree with an earlier poster that you need to be very careful throwing around those terms, but this isn’t just two friends fighting either.

http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

What a headline to read with my morning coffee! I’ll reserve any comments until all the facts come out but at first glance it strikes me as odd we haven’t heard from Adam for months, now he has a single out and is making headlines. :)

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I for one am not giving anybody a free pass. I was disappointed when I read the news today but I am not going to sentence somebody when I have no idea what the facts are in the case. It seems that everything is still unfolding and I will wait until I hear some more facts before I condemn anybody.

GS61

But there probably is a double standard here. Two guys fighting is assumed less serious than a guy and girl fighting. It’s a perhaps unfair assumption that guys can take care of themselves, whereas a girl would be outmatched fighting a guy.
This in no way excuses any of this. Sure, couples have fights, some even in puplic.
Not all are arrested.

AllenTX

Sometimes I really think Lambert is trolling AI just to see how much pearl-clutching he can make his old lady fans do. LOL

Tess

This sounds like a pair with some significant issues to work on! Or maybe they should both ease up on the drinking. That might help as well.

Since we don’t know what caused the disagreement what “issues” are we talking about…and in almost a year of “togetherness” this is the first time I have heard of “anything” negative in Sauli and Adam’s relationship. It always amazes me that so many of us have some pretty big arguments with others in our lives that may involve some physical contact, loud voices, and temper tantrums….but when we see others doing the same thing they are immediately labeled as having issues.

Anonymous

He was on a handful of televisions shows and had a fairly headline grabbing performance in the past month or so. I’m pretty sure we’ve heard about him recently :)

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BHCD4X7GHJ23SMJ2M2RCQUSNUM Pat

A free pass on what though? We don’t have any actual facts.

Anonymous

Adam (and Sauli) need to learn to keep their arguments private. Any tiff that started at the club could have and should have been addressed once they got home. They could have simply left early and continued their argument in the car or at home. No doubt alcohol caused them to be less inhibited and that’s why this happened in public. Should they have an argument in public again after this…well, people (gen. public and fans) would begin to think less of them, not to mention establishments might start hoping they stay away. Making trouble in public is not a good thing, ever. Adam should try to curb negative impulsive behavior and understand his alcohol limits too (which might be what’s contributing to some of that impulsivity).

If there were facts out there that there was an assault going on, and they were treated differently, that might be a valid point, but there’s no evidence that there was an assault, just a lot of rumor and conjecture flying around. I’m not excusing stupid drunken behavior, but I also don’t assume that tabloids are making any attempt to get the actual facts straight. The police took them in and released them – that indicates to me that they determined there was nothing to hold them or charge them on, and that has nothing to do with double standards, as men have been held/charged for assault of each other, whether strangers, acquaintances, or lovers.

http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

But we aren’t in the public eye, thus we get to project our miserable lives on Celebrities and point and laugh.

Not saying it is right by any means, but seems to be common human nature:)

Anonymous

I don’t condone violence ever, but people are throwing around some serious accusations that have, so far, been disproved by the actual reports from police and the parties involved. If it arises that it was serious, then I will be the first to disembark from fandom, but let’s not not overlook what facts we have to sensationalize the story more.

I’d like to also say how much I respect all the bloggers and journalist updating their stories as information comes in (including MJ).

Anonymous

What causing the fight?? Being drunk!!!

Anonymous

From the information that has been reported thus far, there as been NO indication that actual fists were used by anyone.

That doesn’t mean it is okay. Slapping, shoving, and pushing are all considered abuse, depending on the circumstances. I’m not saying that is what has happened here, but it shouldn’t trivialized simply because no fists were used.

Anonymous

Applying the word abuse so easily is what trivializes it imo.

Until one of the parties involved says otherwise, that cannot be applied to this situation.

pj

While we don’t know all the facts, getting kicked out of a bar and being arrested for fighting (whether arguing, shoving, or hitting) is pretty serious.

I also think Adam is getting a pass for his part in it. It must have been pretty bad if he accidentally hit/shoved someone else.

I think reactions would be totally different if it had been Kris Allen and Katy. Or Ace and Diana — with the details that we know being the same.

That being said, I don’t necessarily think that it is always the man who is the abuser. Sometimes it is the woman. I don’t see how it being a same sex couple changes the dynamic of a problem in the relationship.

This sounds more than a “drunken tiff” to me. I hope it wasn’t just a publicity stunt.

Anonymous

Adam always gets a “free pass” for any behavior. Sad that fans see him as the victim here. He was involved in an altercation in public. He is in the public eye. It’s gonna be picked up by the media. Strange that it happens the week his single drops, but I guess scandal sells. Discretion is not in his vocabulary.

Keel

Sandal sells. Coincidence with album drop. Any publicity is good. Give me a break.

Adam Lambert is becoming his own worst enemy. He needs to spend less time trying to be a tabloid celebrity and focus more on his music. I have always suspected an angry, dark side to him.

This latest stunt of his is just stupid and embarrassing.

Kirsten

If we were talking two simple dudes (no relationship) getting arrested, fighting or whatever.. like say (for example only) Robert Pattinson and Jacob Taylor.. would we talk about abuse and victims? No the ground would be equal. So what is different here?

A) They are in a relationship
B) Maybe we should take violence against males more seriously.

I don’t know anything about what really happened between Adam and his boyfriend, but it worries me that people on this thread seem to be thinking that gays can never find themselves in a physically abusive relationship or that male on male violence is no big deal. Attitudes like this is why we have police not taking violence against males seriously. Men can even end up in relationships with women where they are the victims. Some men end up being horribly abused and society just shakes their heads about them “not being much of a man”. That is wrong. And blaming the victim.

Now,again, I’m not saying that either Adam or Sauli were violent or abusive. I’m just disagreeing with what appears to me to be saying that males cannot find themselves victims of abuse. It is possible I misunderstood.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P46N6P5XPK22JVXDJJEENXGLVE marie

I seriously disagree. I think things are being blown up to something it is not because the incident involves Adam.

http://twitter.com/PerfectlySpicy PerfectlySpicy

Labeling this situation as “abuse” shouldn’t be the first response to this situation either, because it trivializes what is considered abuse.

Remember, no charges were filed, so there is no real consideration in favor of an actual physical altercation. As others have no noted, it appears highly likely they were both hauled in because they were intoxicated.

http://twitter.com/starfishy2000 starfishy2000

And many people in a similar situation (or not even as bizarre as this one) have been destroyed by the media. People are brushing this one aside and it just seems like Adam keeps getting (for lack of a better term) a get out of jail free card.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

I’d be interested in examples of this. Hell, Chris Brown actually assaulted Rihanna, unlike this situation, and he’s gotten plenty of opportunities and appearances since then. And the notion that Adam “keeps getting” free passes indicates that he’s had incidences he needed to get free passes for, which is simply untrue.

Anonymous

I don’t see him getting a pass in the media

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P46N6P5XPK22JVXDJJEENXGLVE marie

I wish Adam would get this type of attention when he does something good.

Anonymous

Drinking is a choice. Maybe people (like Adam) who have proven to be bad drunks in the past should make better choices…or it’s just a publicity stunt. lol

Anonymous

Violence against anyone should be treated equally, I agree. I also agree that gay and heterosexual men can be the victims of abuse. The simple thing people are trying to point out is that power dynamic are not the same and that applying heteronormative conventions to a homosexual couple does not always work (especially when it is only based on size difference).

The word abuse is being thrown around very lightly. If there is ever abuse, then it should be criticized to it’s fullest, but that does not seem to be the case at all. The facts on how the situation began are not even know, except that there were reports Adam needed to be comforted. It’s disheartening to see such accusation thrown around so easily imo.

Uh. Say what you want about Adam’s talent, but only a sparklecow or glambert would call him ‘sexy’. He’s what’s known as 2-bagger. That’s when you wear a bag over your face in case the bag over his rips off. Ugh. That face is hideous, and he knows it. Which explains the ton of pancake makeup he puts on.

Anonymous

It was a fight, not a murder, rape or something as serious as that. Adam don’t have a get out of jail card, he got raked over the coals pretty good when the AMA scandal happened. Considering some of the scandals other stars have had lately, Adam’s situation is minor in comparison.

Anonymous

Now,again, I’m not saying that either Adam or Sauli were violent or
abusive. I’m just disagreeing with what appears to me to be people
saying that males cannot find themselves victims of abuse.

They do…and it did in my family. I’m not going to launch into a personal anecdote, or drag this conversation off topic, but I’ll just say ITA to your entire post.

Anonymous

Maybe you did misunderstand.

What I was personally saying is that being in the relationship they are in, being teo men, regardless of stature and height, doesn’t make ONE the abuser and ONE the victim without any facts or evidence to prove it.

Just because Sauli is small, does not automatically make him the victim. My problem is that some people are taking this to mean that it is OBVIOUS that Adam is the abuser because he’s bigger. We don’t know ANYTHING.

As you said, sometimes MEN are the abused by WOMEN. It happens, even though people find it hard to believe.

Plus I’ve seen pictures of this guy half naked and boy looks STRONG, just saying. Not that I’m implying he is abusing Adam or anything. Just that the road goes both ways, ESPECIALLY because they are two men in a relationship.

http://twitter.com/PerfectlySpicy PerfectlySpicy

Adam has spent the last year focused on his music, as evidenced by his newly released single. Adam doesn’t need to spend any time trying to be a tabloid celebrity as the tabloids flock to him.

Many people seem to be jumping on this whole issue as an opportunity to bash Adam’s character when he has shown nothing but a pleasant, loving and easy-going personality for the past 3 years.

I don’t get it.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UMG4SX7HY6BBTXIS2IBCKNTCS4 rocker227

Wow. Adam’s fans are more demented than Claymates ever were. The comments in every Adam post by MJ are made by the seriously deranged. In 5 years, when Adam is on “Where Are They Now”, where will his cows be?

Anonymous

Wow! That’s a headline to wake up to. And the comments are just as interesting.

I guess I wouldn’t make much of this if it weren’t for that stunt Adam did a while back where he put his hand thru the ceiling? I remember commenting on that by saying… hm…Adam might have a problem here and his drunken behavior should not be brushed aside. I was roundly told that this was an isolated incident, not really Adam, etc.

Hm. Another “isolated” incident?

ronnie

Laying hands someone, I don’t care if you are drunk, should never be excused or justified. I am shocked at some of the reactions trying to cover up for him. He’ll just do it again- he obviously needs anger counseling instead a fandom trying to cover up for him. Very disgusted.

BAPC

Yikes. How long till he checks in to rehab? Sounds like he could have some serious drinking and anger management problems.

Anonymous

Several people on my twitter feed think this was a publicity stunt. I don’t think so, but, hey, maybe I’m naive. It sounds to me like they got into a drunken fight that got slightly out of hand. As long as no one got hurt it sounds like a minor incident that happens all the time when people are drunk — especially at bars.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

And I also agree that it is very true that abuse is just as possible directed at men, as it is directed at women. I disagree with the notion that anyone in this thread was suggesting otherwise. In fact, it seems more people are trying to point out that calling this abuse trivializes those very real occasions when it does occur.

Anonymous

Domestic abuse isn’t funny. I don’t know who is in the wrong here, but if both were hitting each other it sounds like both were in the wrong.

Anonymous

Oh wow. Adam seems to have some serious problems lately – violent behavior when he drinks, getting sued, getting arrested – I like Adam as a singer but I will admit that it seems like he has some serious issues going on. I had to defend him to the people at my work this morning, who said he is becoming nothing more than a joke anymore. Maybe he needs to stop drinking.

Anonymous

This isn’t the first time Adam’s drinking has gotten out of hand, so he needs to look in the mirror and straighten up before it’s too late.

Anonymous

I agree with you on that, I said it myself, fortunately at least this
time double standard is working FOR Adam and not AGAINST him :)

All I can say at this point…and I am bowing out of the discussion for awhile…is that everyone interprets a situation based on their own personal filters and their own internal “judgment” factors. I just find it a little disheartening that people in the public eye are so easily villanized (sp) for behavior that is often part and parcel of human behavior exhibited at sometime by many of us.

Since I don’t know Adam I have no way of knowing whether he is predisposed to violent and physical outbursts…can’t remember any of those being made public if he is. And I am not defending what ever actions caused this incident to become public fodder but I don’t think he deserves to be labeled an abuser, or a publicity hog, or an alcoholic that doesn’t have control based on a single (and I would assume) embarassing situation for both him and Sauli.

http://twitter.com/frogcooke frogcooke

Sad. That is all.

Anonymous

I don’t find it funny or something to be taken lightly at all. Somebody trying to break it up was hit by Adam. Which means he threw a punch. At someone. His boyfriend? The person intervening? Doesn’t matter. You can’t taken violence lightly, and making light of it because they were drinking doesn’t make it better or right.

Anonymous

but why assume it was Adam, who started the fight? it could be the other way round, maybe somebody was hitting on Adam and Sauli got jealous?

Anonymous

The reason I assumed Adam was using his fists is that he hit Sofia, when she tried to get between him and Sauli to break up their argument. There was also the incident with the paps on the beach. Adam seems to have possible anger management and substance abuse problems. Did he have problems before idol? I don’t remember any articles about him getting arrested before idol. I know he told Rolling Stones he did drugs,but assumed it was only occasional

http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

First off, it’s hearsay. No one knows EXACTLY what happen, but that doesn’t stop them from making assumptions and drawing conclusions. Some of the most legendary performers have gotten arrested at one point in time. As long as Adam keeps putting out good music, I could care less about his personal life, that is his business.

Anonymous

The girl says it she was accidentally shoved when she went to comfort him over something. That is not the same as throwing a punch.

Anonymous

It was a fight, not a murder, rape or something as serious as that.

Lots of things aren’t murder or rape and are still bad…

Anonymous

why would anyone want this kind of publicity though? It’s certainly not good publicity. Especially when the media about the single have actually been pretty good.

This would make an excellent music video for BTIKM though.

http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

You think it’s Adam’s fault he got sued? lol.

Anonymous

I’ve truly never heard of any celebrity who has gotten into a skirmish being “destroyed by the media.” Not saying it hasn’t happened, but in my 40+ years of reading celebrity news, I can’t think of a single instance. Anyway, we truly don’t know how the fight started or who was in the “wrong.” I’d be willing to bet, since Nikko went to pull Sauli out of the situation and his girlfriend stayed to comfort a crying Adam, that both were just a drunk, emotional mess and likely both to blame. I don’t know how this jumped from being a drunken lover’s quarrel (albeit somewhat physical in nature), which is what has been reported by Sauli’s friends who were there, to Adam abusing his boyfriend. For one thing, if Adam were being a physical bully towards Sauli, I highly doubt Sauli’s good friend and his girlfriend would be trivializing the situation the way they have.

http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

Ok, had my two cups of coffee. Having been involved with an Alcoholic, and having been a pretty heavy drinker at one time in my life, I will unequivocally state that if you are ending up in a drunk tank, you have a problem. If you are 30 years old and have just released a new album and know the world is watching you and yet still find yourself in a drunk tank, you have a serious problem.
I hope Adam takes this as a wake up call and doesn’t listen to thousands of fans enabling his behavior, and gets some help. It doesn’t make him a bad person and doesn’t mean he isn’t a nice guy, it just means he and drinking don’t get along.

Anonymous

Sofia explained that she was not actually hit, but rather shoved accidentally. She also said that it was not when Sauli and Adam were supposedly “wrestling” but when when we went to comfort him and that he was crying.

The pap incident didn’t involve hitting either. He grappled with the pap for his camera, which was admittedly very stupid in his own right though the pap in question had a smile on his face in every picture.

mmb

I haven’t seen anyone claiming that males ( whether gay or straight) can’t be the victims of abuse. I think the discussion started when I simply questioned why, when both Sauli and Adam were arrested ( or brought in for questioning etc) and both were apparently intoxicated, and both were apparently fighting with each other why it was being assumed that Adam was the instigator/bad boyfriend etc. There are no reports of actual violence or abuse. No charges were bright. So im not sure where the “Adam has anger problems, drinking problems, violence problems, is an abusive boyfriend” stuff comes from. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn’t. I don’t know him personally. But nothing about this particular incident would lead me to conclude any of the above

Anonymous

I’m equally sickened by people blindly defending the possibility that violence was involved. It’s so wrong.

Anonymous

plus, in the case of hetero couples, if the guy abuses his girlfriend he gets more grief than the other way round
in this case there is no girl :)

Anonymous

I agree completely, but we should also hold off on placing this incident on level with extreme things like abuse until facts to support that come to light.

I have never think Adam is perfect and I don’t think most of his fans think Adam ‘s perfect. oh.. and I believe the police officers in Finland doesn’t think he’s perfect either, they probably don’t know him and don’t care who he is. So there’s no subjectivity in this case from the police station, I don’t think Adam gets a free pass from them.

Anonymous

The girl says it she was accidentally shoved when she went to comfort him over something. That is not the same as throwing a punch.

I don’t care if it was a shove or a push. If you are so out of control that you put your hands on someone else then you need to reevaluate what happened previously in the night to get you to that situation.

I understand that some people have a higher threshold for abuse than I do, but I know personally I consider any kind of shoving or slapping or pushing abuse. If a man ever put their hands on me like that I am out, and if I ever found myself so angry that I put my hands on someone else like that I would realize I was in a bad place and get out. I work with young women who think there is nothing wrong with their boyfriends giving them a black eye. To them, they are just upset because they love them so much. Someone who loves you isn’t going to try and hurt you, no matter how angry or drunk they are (and this goes for both Sauli and Adam).

Anonymous

I guess we are going to have yet another 500+ post Adam thread again. Amazing how Adam’s life seems to mirror the songs he sings even when he doesn’t write them. I am listening yo BTIKM with even more appreciation right now. Same thing WWFM after the AMAs. It’s probably going to be even more intense when Adam sings this song live, lol.

Anonymous

Math is an interesting way to respond.

Anonymous

It’s always interesting to read follow up accounts when celebrities/affluent people are involved. Is the true eyewitness account really the truth? We never know – it may be or it may not be. However, we do know something happened. We make our own personal interpretations and draw our own conclusions and file it away with everything else that influences our opinion about said person in the spotlight.

Anonymous

Never used the word bad, used the word serious.

milwlovesadam

The words that get me are that they were just “pushing or shoving ” each other, and, “crying Adam.”

This seems like a lover’s spat, and no more, to me. Too bad it happened in a public way.

And, I’m not saying this because I am a fan of Adam’s. It just seems like a night on the town gone bad, after severe, severe jet lag, exhaustion, and the pressure of the new single and CD promo about to start. Add booze in to the mix, and well, it’s a recipe for something bad to happen. IMHO.

Anonymous

Never used the word bad, used the word serious.

Lots of things that aren’t rape or murder are serious. I don’t even understand why that is some threshold. So only rape and murder are something serious, everything else is excusable?

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Tess, I am with you… I am bowing out of this discussion for awhile until we know some more facts and until we hear something from Adam.
Not a fun way to wake up today but I am sure that both Adam and Sauli feel the same way.

Anonymous

What an idiot.

Anonymous

While I actually agree with the sentiment of your post completely, and feel the same if the case happened to me, I was simply trying to point out that the parties involved are saying the story was exaggerated by the press. She also went on to say how apologetic Adam was after. I think intent has to have some place in this discussion. On top of all, we don’t know who instigated what or really anything beyond hearsay and what police are reporting.

I 100% agree though if the situation ends up where you lose control in some way, enough to be brought in to sober up, reevaluation needs to take place. I simply caution using extreme words in such a light manner unless more hard evidence is brought to light.

Anonymous

Glad they can laugh about it, but I bet there are a few people in their lives, that would like to strangle those two.

Anonymous

No, I didn’t say I think it was Adam’s fault he got sued. I’m saying that a lot of the general public, like the people I was arguing with at my work this morning, don’t read all the details of this stuff. They see the headlines, and all they see is Adam in the news for being sued, violent behavior, etc. They aren’t taking the time to find out the details like we are. Adam needs to pull his act together and stop being in the news for negative things because it’s changing people’s perception of him. I realize he can’t control getting sued, but situations like this he can control. I am starting to wonder if he has an alcohol problem and if so, I wish he would go get help now, and not let himself be turned into a joke like Brittany Spears or Lindsay Lohan did. I’m afraid that is where he is heading.

Anonymous

Well, Tess, I guess I remember the ceiling incident as a bit more than just fist pumping. He was drunk, really drunk. And the owner of said ceiling was not happy. But meh. I’m not invested enough to go back and re-read all 500 posts that inevitably come when anything about Adam is mentioned.

I will say that I had my drinking bouts earlier in life and I never found myself in skuffle outside a bar and certainly never found myself in a police station. But it’s Adam’s life, Adam’s relationship and Adam’s decision on whether he has a problem or not.

Anonymous

I love him that is all. Not ashamed to admit it. I’m glad they’re doing OK.

Anonymous

” I will unequivocally state that if you are ending up in a drunk tank, you have a problem. If you are 30 years old and have just released a new album and know the world is watching you and yet still find yourself in a drunk tank, you have a serious problem. ”

ITA.

Anonymous

I never said anything was excusable, all I said was this wasn’t as serious as possibly other things that could have happened. It’s not that big of a deal.

workdog

I’m puzzled by the “heteronomative” discussion, really. It doesn’t matter if it’s two guys or two girls or a guy and girl; allowing yourself to escalate to shoving someone else, while under the influence, seems to indicate that control is lost at a certain point, due to alcohol or the emotional factors within that relationship. In other words, if issues surface strongly under the drink they exist when it isn’t there and should more than likely be addressed without it’s input, ya know? We all get emotional, we all have tiffs in our relationships, but it’s knowing the limitations that should emphatically be in place in regards to the very real possibility of any physical impact remaining out of the picture. There’s no excuse for becoming physical, be it a shove or a stronger gesture, n.o.n.e. If that is accepted once it is to be expected again. Sounds like they need to address their response to whatever ignited the issue in the first place, in calm manner, and more than likely they will. It doesn’t sound like things went super far, but the indication that the possibility for it to do so existed at all warrants their attention. Love is great, don’t get me wrong, and it’s damned difficult to address things that may feel like it impacts that, but for the health of any relationship, especially one that appears to be desired to be a longterm commitment, it seems prudent to work through the little things as well as the big ones. I’m not even an Adam follower, per se, but as a person I do wish for them to look at the incident with open eyes and at all angles, for their own sakes. And yes, when you are famous it’s more than likely to be reported, but that still doesn’t mean in their private time they shouldn’t evaluate.

fuzzywuzzy

“Sauli+Adam+hangover burgers= laughing bout it. :)”

lol I now have a sudden craving for a burger!

GS61

Making light of blackouts combined with drinking is not smart.
I think ShreddingHalien maybe right, he seems like he may have a drinking problem.

Anonymous

In thinking this incident over (combined with other incidents regarding his sensitivities), my main concern would be about his emotional health. But also, too many reports of him coming unglued, so to speak, could damage his career eventually.

workdog

Sorry, frogcooke, I haven’t posted much with the new layout and obviously my reply wasn’t in response to your post.:-) I don’t know if it can moved to it’s own space but there ya go.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

Beautifully stated, Tess. People who are inclined to think the worst of Adam are going to jump all over this as proof they are right. People who think he’s god’s gift to the world are going to excuse all behaviors.

Clearly they were disruptive enough to be taken in for questioning, but beyond that, we know virtually nothing, other than the fact that they were released with no charges against them. I’d be embarrassed if I were either one of them, but people are predictably quick to jump to all sorts of inaccurate and overblown conclusions, based on their own biases.

Anonymous

The heteronormative discussion is simply about labeling someone the “abuser” and “victim” based on size, an implication made early on in the tread. It is not necessarily the same even in heterosexual cases as many have pointed out men can also be abused by women.

Not one was saying male-on-male violence is less serious than any other, just that you cannot always apply conventions like that directly and expect it to work. The same is true for women, of course. We’ll likely never know what happened beyond what the parties involved are willing to say and all are saying it wasn’t as bad as initially reported.

http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

Last time I checked, Jet Lag doesn’t cause blackouts, or irrational confusion.

Anonymous

This smells a little bit like a publicity stunt to me. A new single just released and, presto, front page news about Adam.

http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

laughing bout it.

It isn’t a joke when you make a public display of yourself, leading to the need to call the authorities, using up their precious time and the public’s money and resources. But, hey, it’s Finland, so it’s not my dime or my police force.

Anonymous

Looks like Adam has had his time to reflect to his chagrin. Unlike so many people here I have had my share of embarrassing alcohol related incidents in my younger days so can’t throw any stones. And now Adam gets to go spend more time with the in-laws! Good luck, Adam, lolololol!

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

He didn’t claim it did. Might want to read the tweet again

Anonymous

Sorry. He shoved someone. Still not right. Still not a defensible action, sober or drunk.

Anonymous

I dont want to jump to any conclusions but if this is true it seems our boy Adam has a problem when he drinks. He was thrown out of a lady Gaga birthday party for being drunk and unruly. We can all make excuses but he is not Young & foolish anymore -hes 30 years old and at the top of his proffession- I would hate to see anything bad happen to him-he is a great performer and one of the Idol kids that we all watched grow into a great success-I hope he gets his act together and is more careful-

Anonymous

That’s probably why there something called a fine, which I am sure Adam was or will be more than happy to pay if they require it.

Anonymous

He was thrown out of a lady Gaga birthday party for being drunk and unruly.

He was not actually thrown out as Lady Gaga’s people confirmed to E! News. Another story that got it’s main facts from a certain blogger.

I do agree though I hope he’s more careful in the future. Alcohol makes people do stupid shit, but that’s not excuse and needs to be corrected.

sd34567

Last time I checked, Jet Lag doesn’t cause blackouts, or irrational confusion.

He probably mixed that jet lag with some alcohol.

http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

I agree, he’s getting too old for this drunken “club kid” shit. I don’t think he’s realized that yet.

Anonymous

The only good thing so far is that since this story unfolded while much of the US was asleep, the media here has more facts to go by and there can be less confusion. The Advocate, THR, and People have all included the fact that they were released as well as Sauli’s comments on the situation. Responsible journalism is always nice.

Anonymous

Just glancing over this thread, and by all perception…there are a LOT of fans out there who have never in their lives shoved anyone, or been so overtired or overworked, or under the influence of alcohol, or so emotionally distraught that they have done something they are not proud of. Can NOT believe there are so many people who are so pure!!

It’s heartwarming.

Anonymous

I actually thought I saw something from him apoligizing for acting like a jerk that day and that he was asked to leave.

Anonymous

IKR? I feel so alone in my evil ways now.

fuzzywuzzy

It was the jet lag + vodka that apparently caused a problem. When a person is jet lagged, all of their daily physical rhythms are out of whack and adding alcohol to that can be a very bad idea (as Adam learned the hard way).

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

He didn’t apologize for “acting like a jerk” He apologized for accidentally putting his fist through the low ceiling, and Gaga confirmed that he wasn’t asked to leave.

Anonymous

Yep… apparently it’s Adam fault he got sued.. LOL. It’s funny how easy we give our opinion or to judge someone without getting all the fact, it’s easy because we’re not in their shoes.

Anonymous

No, he never said anything about leaving. The only things he tweeted was he got too excited trying to give a celebratory fist raise and hit the low ceiling.

In fact, he tweeted about the incident that night. The story, told by Perez, was told 3 days later with no reports from anyone else about his behavior there. The owners of the place even spoke about how it was no big deal and Adam paid for the damages even though they were minor.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

The people referencing the Gaga story need to realize that Perez made most of that up in his Gaga induced brain. Adam was not thrown out, he was not an uninvited guest and the owner of the restaurant/bar never said anything bad about the incident. Perez and Adam had a falling out a few months ago. It is my personal opinion that Perez is deeply jealous of Adam and probably Sauli too.

Anonymous

there are a LOT of fans out there who have never in their lives shoved anyone

Well, there is at least one. I don’t recall EVER shoving anyone.

Regarding the laughing about it. I’m sure he is, he loves the publicity…. all the way to the bank.

Anonymous

it will all blow off quite soon
as a person who lives in Northern Europe I would just like to add in countries, where vodka is the alcohol of choice (Finland included) it happens very often that police take people to drunk tank just to sober them up, without any repercussions to them. I personally have a lot of friends who have been in a drunk tank a couple of times and none of the is an alcoholic.
It’s just different here, not that serious as one might think

Anonymous

Dear Adam

You are not a kid anymore. You are 30 years old and need to grow the hell up. If it’s supposed to “be about the music” as you say then you need to clean your act up and act like it.

Anonymous

You betcha.. I cannot wait to see him perform it live. LOL

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

The publicity looks like it is working he is trending world wide and Better than I know Myself is moving up several European charts. Enjoy your hangover burgers boys and the huge success of this AMAZING song!

sd34567

This smells a little bit like a publicity stunt to me. A new single
just released and, presto, front page news about Adam.

You know, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a publicity stunt. Christmas is a couple of days away; people are preparing for that. Him and his people throw this story out there. Keeps his name out there in the public. Makes sure no one forgets about him.

Anonymous

You just said what I have been thinking. If you have acted out before when you were drunk and you are an adult, then have enough sense not to get to that point again.
If it is a publicity stunt, then as far as I am concerned that is just calculated and disrespectful of his fans.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I heard recently a joke about Americans that we are so puritanical that we are so concerned about what everybody else is doing because we are so scared that somebody somewhere might be having a good time! lol

Anonymous

Me too feel like want to grab a burger now.. okay it’s lunch time brb

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I don’t think anybody was forgetting about him but ok.

Anonymous

Ahhh, our first GATE of era 2! I’m getting all nostalgic *sniff*. Was just discussing on twitter yesterday I miss the gates. My favorite was Nazi gate, complete with pie charts and wiki info on Nazi symbolism. This one might eclipse it. Already labeled an alcoholic, abuser, media whore, thought I saw a Chris Brown comparison earlier. Has the ” his 15 minutes are up” meme showed up yet? Cuz it’s my favorite meme of all time and I would be all sadz without it.

Anonymous

He also said “lesson learned”, which probably means he regrets the incident.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

OMG! I have been missing the GATEs also! I love following and fanberting because he always takes us on a wild ride! I have to say I LOVE it.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

OMG! I have been missing the GATEs also! I love following and fanberting because he always takes us on a wild ride! I have to say I LOVE it.

Emmy

so glad no one gives a crap about publicizing the stupid shit I’ve done after drinking too much.

Emmy

so glad no one gives a crap about publicizing the stupid shit I’ve done after drinking too much.

Anonymous

I really doubt this is a publicity stunt. I think Adam needs to know his limit when it comes to drinking, but so do a lot of us. I suspect he is very embarrassed this morning.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

Haven’t seen the 15 minutes meme yet, but maybe we need to wait for more people on the West Coast to chime in ;-) Chris Brown was me, but not as a comparison to Adam – someone was claiming this type of “scandal” has ruined many careers.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I loved his dad’s tweet to him about his morning google alert! lol

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

Eber is hilarious :)

Anonymous

Sorry Adam there is nothing to make light of here. I hope he is taking this seriously and not just laughing it off. He isn’t a kid any more. He is nearly 30 years old and is well travelled. He should know the effects of jet lag and alcohol by now. I’ve worried about his drinking in the past but it seemed to have died down since Sauli came into his life. Now he gets thrown in the drunk tank…………perhaps it’s time to put the vodka bottle away.

Anonymous

I agree with you about wasting time and money, once the neighbors called the police because my TV was too loud instead of knocking on my door and telling me to turn it down (and it was not THAT loud). I could not believe that the police accepted the call…..

Anonymous

Took me until 36 to realize I sucked at drinking. I’m not recovering, I am not in AA, but I realized that I had no judgement about moderation and blackouts were more common that not. I just plain went from 1 is good, 10 is better and I couldn’t tell the difference.

Not saying Adam is the same as me, I never drank jet lagged. He will have to decide what is best for him.

Anyone catch the Rihanna headlines recently? She’s running off stage puking, drunk before shows. I’m not sure how they do it to be honest.

Anonymous

That’s nice and all, but I think people are forgetting that the reason Adam went to Finland was to spend time time Sauli and “his family”. I don’t think they are turning cartwheels over the embarrassing situation. I personally wouldn’t be jumping for joy if my kid and his boyfriend got in a public scuffle and ended up in jail, plus having the whole world know about it. Adam and Sauli need to deal with whatever issues they have and keep their personal business at home and don’t drag it out into the open with embarrassing results. I am a big Adam Lambert fan, but in the end this was very stupid on both their parts. He’s lucky that this didn’t happen at a crucial time and could have destroyed all of the progress he’s made, not counting killing the buzz about the single and upcoming album. Adam needs to realize that everything he do and say is instantly over the internet and he has to be careful and think before he do certain things.

http://twitter.com/tinawinabina Tinawina

So they were drinking at a club, got into an argument big enough to get them kicked out, then kept fighting in the street physically enough to result in a friend getting shoved in the crossfire?

I’m going to pass on the physical stuff because I wasn’t there, plus it sounds like was both parties participating. And the girl was just an accident.

BUT, I will agree that 30 is an age where this kind of thing starts to look bad. I guess it fits a “bad boy rockstar” image I suppose, but my first response if it were one of my friends would be to roll my eyes and tell them to grow up already.

The boy can’t hold his liquor LOL.

Anonymous

well, if this were true all adults would be sober, hehe :)
and we would not have any gossip to talk about…

Anonymous

I can’t wait either, he’s such a phenomenal performer.

Anonymous

Anyone catch the Rihanna headlines recently? She’s running off stage
puking, drunk before shows. I’m not sure how they do it to be honest.

That would explain why she sounds like crap live. Hopefully, AL won’t progress to that.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I liked this when I meant to reply eeek! lol

I did not know there was an age limit on stupidity. I saw some presidential debates recently where “pain killers” were supposedly the cause of some bumbling remarks and I know several local politicians that are involved in far worse scandals and they are meant to represent the people.

Adam is an entertainer and I am thoroughly entertained! He has taken me on another roller coaster ride this morning and I loved it!

I do not know if Adam has a drinking problem but if the people closest to him including his dad are laughing at this situation I feel pretty comfortable laughing with them.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I liked this when I meant to reply eeek! lol

I did not know there was an age limit on stupidity. I saw some presidential debates recently where “pain killers” were supposedly the cause of some bumbling remarks and I know several local politicians that are involved in far worse scandals and they are meant to represent the people.

Adam is an entertainer and I am thoroughly entertained! He has taken me on another roller coaster ride this morning and I loved it!

I do not know if Adam has a drinking problem but if the people closest to him including his dad are laughing at this situation I feel pretty comfortable laughing with them.

Anonymous

This latest stunt of his is just stupid and embarrassing.

This seems to sum up the situation nicely. :)

I’m not going to worry about Adam (or Sauli) being another Chris Brown until there’s something to base that on. But I agree with Kirsten that assuming that men cannot be victims of abuse is wrong.

Anonymous

Lol, your post made me smile. :D

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

What was he supposed to do – put some heavy mea culpa out in a tweet? Of course he’s going to make light of it, just like his father did.

Anonymous

well, then what about all the other musicians? like the Rolling Stones or Steven Taylor, for example?

Anonymous

it seems that Adam can’t win either way :)

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I don’t want him to think about and second guess everything he does in life… Can you imagine what a paranoid wreck you would be if you had to do that. Live have fun and try not to hurt anybody else in the process… and most importantly keep making music because it makes me happy… That is all I ask.

Anonymous

I think that if the boyfriend didnt press charges and they seem fine and are together and he blogged about love being forever, it means it wasnt as serious and ‘abusive’ as people are implying.

If they are fine, then I’m fine.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Is anybody else listening to Better Thank I Know Myself with a new appreciation for the lyrics? OMG whole new song now… so much more connected like WWFM.

Axxxel

this reminds me of the Lady Gaga birthday party incident…

Anonymous

You can unlike something. Just clicked the grayed out like button again.

Anonymous

I wouldn’t want Adam to change anything about who he is as a performer, but he needs to be aware when it comes to personal stuff, it can spill over and affect his music career. He has to be careful when he’s out in public and don’t give anyone else the power to destroy him personally or professionally.

Anonymous

I agree. I think if the parties involved are making light of the situation, it is not b/c they are mocking the seriousness of violence or anything like that, but rather trying to point out that it was actually that serious to them.

Violence is inexcusable, but really it should be up to the those who participated to make the decision of severity of judgment and we should take perhaps err on the side of caution with all this imo.

Kitwana

I don’t think public intoxication is ever wise when you are a celebrity but when did 30 become the age when a person is too old for this? Why not 28 or 29?

Wow what a morning. All I can say is that 1. We don’t know what happened 2. I’ve tragically been there, done that in London, and can’t quite remember how or why. Happily never ended up in the drunk tank, but then I’m a girl 3. Great tweet by Adam, and very happy that Sauli blogged about it immediately. 4. Were they trying to act out btkim or what?

CRAZY.

http://twitter.com/MissGolightly22 No Thanks

I’m not saying stop drinking all together. I’m saying maybe he should think twice about this “getting shitfaced at the club” habit. Might have been acceptable when he was a 20-something club kid, but now he’s about to turn 30 and he’s a man with a lot of responsibility on his shoulders. MAYBE he should consider cutting back on that behavior. After a while, this kind of thing is gonna look stupid.

Anonymous

OMG, you are right!!!! :)

breakdown

He and his partner are laughing about it? Not the way to learn a lesson. They should both be taking this as a warning.

Anonymous

I think WWFM and BTIKM both have made a statement about Adam’s emotional state at a certain moment in time. I agree the new song is a lot more connected and when he performs this live, he’s going to kill it.

Anonymous

I think that if the boyfriend didnt press charges and they seem fine and are together and he blogged about love being forever, it means it wasnt as serious and ‘abusive’ as people are implying.

This is a very dangerous quote. I would be willing to bet that the argument wasn’t that serious, but basing that opinion on the couple still being together, or one of the participants professing love is wrong. There are too many examples of abused women and men staying in unhealthy relationships. Not that that is the case with this situation, but I’m just saying that it happens.

jonnyk

Always acts childish and then tries to defend for damage control just like he said something about children using drugs. This is why I don’t get his appeal. His gossips, make-up, clothes are more interesting than his musical talent. For the new single, he needed help from C Kelly for that boring average song.

http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

I think all of them are in recovery and would be the first to see the red flags in this press release.

tinawina

Yeah, we all know “rebellious rock stars” go there, that’s why I referenced them. Anyway, getting drunk and doing dumb things often happens at all ages, but the older you get the less people give a pass and the more they tend to think you are an idiot. LOL. All I’m saying is Adam is edging closer to the “you really should know better” territory IMO and away from the “ah, youth” territory. We’re not talking about dancing with a lampshade on your head, we are talking about getting licked out of clubs for fighting.

It will all blow over in a day or 2 anyway.

Anonymous

Whoever said their parents would be yelling at them a little off the mark. This is a serious matter of discussion, but can we all laugh a little at how bad this pun is?

milestougeaux:
and apparently it wasnt really a fight to the Finnish.

Anonymous

well, but Eddie Murphy did a lot of stupid shit without going to clubs, like picking up a prostitute, hehe
I look at it differently, maybe because in my country being drunk in public is not perceived that terribly, as it is very common and almost everybody has been there and done that at one point… and it applies to Finland, too, hence the joking tweets from Sauli’s friends :)

http://twitter.com/cruzceleste Andrea

Maybe Chris Brown had got a lot if apperances after his problems with the law, but he has also got a lot of backlash and attack. Everytime you see him on tv, go on to twitter and start reading the messages from people insulting him.

Anonymous

I’m not sure I would be laughing about blacking out. Especially since he’s mentioned having blackouts before. I think this particular incident was probably just a minor one, but if I were Adam and Sauli I would still take it seriously.

Anonymous

but Chris has beaten down his girlfriend to a pulp, it’s an entirely different situation, I doubt that very much that he would have gotten so much hate, if it had been just a drunken spat

fuzzywuzzy

Is that you, Leila? lol

Anonymous

Aw, no big deal. This is Adam Lambert we’re talking about, for pete’s sake. It just makes him more adorkable and ‘human’, bless his heart. It’s not like it was one of the other idols – then it would be serious.

Anonymous

I find this all very sad.

I also find it sad when people automatically dismiss this behavior as ~no big deal just because 1) they are a fan of the person involved and 2) the two parties involved say it was not serious. Whether it was serious or not, none of us actually know, but just because a party to a physical dispute says it wasn’t serious doesn’t mean much of anything. This is the type of thing abused spouses & others in co-dependent relationships say afterward all the time.

Anonymous

We don’t know what really happened, but it seems like quite a few people are ready to assume that Adam was at fault and using his fist on Sauli. The only only reason we know about this is because of who he is.

How many of us have had fights thrown things out of anger said hurtful things we regret!! Give him a break and don’t be so judgmental! And, no I don’t condone violence I just believe in not jumping to conclusions.

Anonymous

I agree with you, a lot of people keep trying to hide the truth about being abused, but I don’t see any signs of abuse here, rather a stupid drunken brawl… probably caused by jealousy mixed with alcohol…. how many times have we seen couples fight and then make up?

Anonymous

I don’t think anyone is saying this is a good thing. Just putting it in a more realistic perspective and not crying foul and the apocalypse as I honestly don’t believe it is.

If he was actually charged with assaulting his boyfriend I’d be writing a very different opinion right now, trust me.

And no, I don’t believe Sauli is some damsel(what’s the male version?) in distress. I believe they were both shoving each other and they were both drunk, and both got arrested, and both didn’t do something so drastic as to actually harm each other.

Anonymous

I guess Chris Brown and Rhianna blew over too. What is it about Adam Lambert and controversies when he is releasing new music? Didn’t Sauli and Adam get kicked out of Gaga’s birthday party for their drunken behavior too? Not a good sign.

Adam Lambert strikes me as someone with a real temper and kind of a knee jerk public reaction to things he doesn’t like – especially on twitter. He doesn’t handle criticism well. Like his tweets to GQ etc. And his drinking problems can be explained away – sure – but the guy is about to turn 30. He needs to act like it.I notice that his record label is already spending a fortune on promoting his single. I’ve seen banner ads and streaming on all the Clear Channel stations. That costs a pretty penny and they are barely getting warmed up. It seems like they must have very high expectations for his single sales and radio play if they are promoting his single so heavily this far out before its impact date. They are either nervous right now about his blowing up at the wrong moment – or they are happy about any publicity being good publicity. I’m not impressed. But I’m just one person. I guess it gets his name out there.

Anonymous

Didn’t Sauli and Adam get kicked out of Gaga’s birthday party for their drunken behavior too? Not a good sign.

Again, incorrect. Lady Gaga’s people confirmed to E! News that he was not thrown out and no actual report of any misbehavior was even stated until 3 days later and only by one person. No one else confirmed that story. Adam tweeted the only incident there was hitting a low ceiling by accident and the owners were not angry and did not think he even needed to pay for it (he did though).

Nele621

I don’t think Adam should be allowed back on American Idol. I wouldn’t be surprised if his management and label drop him soon.

Anonymous

When (and if) fists are raised, it cannot be considered a tiff, disagreement, etc. Depending on the country, charges would not be laid if the parties involved were not hurt, or refused to press charges. Physical violence is never okay, whether between a man and woman, man and man, or woman and woman. Small physical altercations can often lead to serious violence in the future.

We don’t know what was involved, but I find it disturbing how this is being dismissed. A man who hits will usually hit again, and usually to an increasingly severe degree. Physical violence is never okay, and those who resort to that because of drinking maybe need not to drink. People need to take responsibility for their actions, regardless of who they are.

Anonymous

yep, totally agree, they should drop him and ban him from television altogether, what about the children!!!!

Anonymous

No charges were brought so legally he didn’t do anything. He has no record.

I have seen this comment like 10 times in two years and will see it 20 times more I’m sure. Wait and see approach for all of us as always. Not being successful in his career will get him dropped, not fighting with his boyfriend.

Anonymous

This isn’t a big deal, but I’m guessing he’ll be more careful about how drunk he gets when he goes out. :) He’s so sweet and adorable most of the time that I forget he has a temper, and large amounts of alcohol just doesn’t mix well with that, especially when you’re famous.

Er, just to be clear, I was saying it doesn’t seem like a big deal because it sounds like a drunken argument, not a real fight. So, an incident of dumb behavior on their parts, and that’s it. I wouldn’t dismiss actual violence.

Anonymous

Adam and Sauli messed up. Alcohol is never a good thing. I love Adam to death but I do hope he slows down on the clubbing thing because he does tend to go to far with the drinking in public. Adam already has a bad boy reputation and this doesn’t help. Loving his single though.

Anonymous

No one hit anyone here. No punches where thrown. The closest anyone came to being hit was a friend who was accidentally bumped into while trying to “console Adam.”

Anonymous

I didn’t know his parents were making light of this-now thats scary-I really worry for him. I hope someone on his team gives him better advise. I don’t want him to end up hurt!

Anonymous

His management and label are going to drop a guy who’s debut sold over a million albums. It’s not going to happen, especially with him getting great reviews for his new single. labels don’t drop people simply because they get in a brawl with someone at a bar. They drop them when they no longer make money for them. I can name a few former Idols who fall into that category. LOL! As for being allowed on American Idol, I think Nigel will bend the rules for once and allow someone like Adam to grace their sacred stage. He has delivered some memorable performances on that show and he will have out a new single.

Anonymous

Does he have a bad boy reputation? Actually, based on media coverage he does seem to have a reputation for being “edgier” than I (as a fan who follows his career relatively closely) would consider him, which I guess is a good thing, lol. But I’m not sure it goes into bad boy territory. :)

Anonymous

People are crazy look at all the atheletes in bars getting drunk and then a gun is pulled-So scary

Anonymous

Okay, if that’s the case, I’m glad. How do we know this, though?

fuzzywuzzy

Hmmm …. that video news report says that Adam spent the night in a cell at the police station, whereas Sauli was taken to the drunk tank.

Anonymous

exactly, he wrote himself “lesson learned” :)
bb keeps forgetting that now, when he is famous he cannot do things “the old” way, I am pretty sure he has done many stupid things being drunk in the past, but nobody was interested then

Anonymous

yeah, she said he was crying or something because he and sauli were arguing. ):

Again, he was dumb–obviously everyone does dumb things sometimes, so it’s not terrible or unforgivable, but it’s still dumb–but I did feel bad for him being so upset. But it sounds like everything is fine between them and it was a fairly normal couple’s fight that happened to involve famous people.

Anonymous

I think people like Kanye West fall into the bad boy category. Adam is more like the boy next door who likes to wear eyeliner and dress up for a living.

http://twitter.com/mathPhD mPhD

I hesitate to jump into this thread, but when there is discussion about relationships and abuse I can’t stop myself…

Firstly, no, I have no idea what happened in this situation, there that is said.

I want to say that I demand respect in all of my relationships with people, especially my romantic relationships. Respect includes talking to me in a certain manner, considering my needs as a human and partner, and NEVER laying hand or body on me in an undesired physical or aggressive manner. If my significant other ever restrained me, shoved me, “drunk wrestled” me, etc during an argument, that is abuse to me and crosses the line. Abuse can also be shouting upsetting things at me. Abuse does not have to be physical and yes it is a serious thing, and there are various types of abuse.

I grew up in a very violent home (one parent was a violent alcoholic) and then went on to be physically and emotionally abused by significant others. I said I was fine with it and did not leave those abusive significant others when I should have done so. I was also once hit in the face on purpose by a male acquaintance and was shocked that several people responded by asking “what I had done to make him do that.” All this abuse is many years in my past and completely dealt with now. I have moved on in my life, but feel very deeply for people still struggling with abuse.

I do not use the word abuse lightly, but I think there are also plenty of people who are struggling in abusive relationships because they deny it is really abuse.

Again I make these statements without knowing the facts of this current celebrity happening and I also made these statements without using any gender pronouns. I’m responding in general to many things I read in the comments.

I just think we should all demand respect from the people we love and who love us. This includes significant others, friends, etc.

Anonymous

Very true–increased publicity is almost no one’s friend when it comes to stuff like this. I mean, I agree that he’s getting to the point where he shouldn’t do this, but we all do dumb things sometimes, no matter our age. And I’m sure he’ll be more careful in the future.

Eber is hilarious, also. I feel like Adam definitely got a lot of that devil-may-care (lol that expression) attitude from his dad.

http://twitter.com/PerfectlySpicy PerfectlySpicy

I just would like to point out that, contrary to some reports, they weren’t thrown out of the bar, the bar was closing and they left voluntarily.

So many pearl clutchers commenting on this without knowing the facts.

Anonymous

I’ve had lover’s spats but they usually don’t involve drunken displays that require police intervention. There really is no excuse. Sure, it can be explained away. Anything can be explained away.

People are trying to say it was not a problem that he was drunk at Gaga’s party because he wasn’t “actually thrown out.” Who cares? He was publicly s**t faced with his lover, and now once again, only this time it did include being thrown out and the police intervening. Trying to make the distinction that he wasn’t actually arrested is meaningless. He was still drunk and disorderly – again. It is what it is.

Adam is creating his own reputation, bit-by-bit. The guy is a knee-jerk reactor with a temper. He says and does things that have consequences when you are famous. And whether people like it or not, 30 is the magic age when people no longer give you a pass due to “youthful indiscretions.” That is the age when I started dropping friends with those problems – it’s just not funny anymore – it is a problem. He is famous and his actions will be reported in the press. That is the deal he signed up for and that is the way it is. If he was smart he would keep that in mind.

Anonymous

They’re not accurate, if they’re in the US. They’re behind on everything, but both of them actually stayed in the same type of room they use for sobering people up (language used for both was the same in the finale reports from police). I snagged this from ONTD.

Wow Adam always seems to cause interesting conversations,
IMHO (I always like to start with that) First I can think of only three times Adam has been in the news for being drunk and/or disorderly, Miami w/paps, GaGa’s party and now in Finland. I know there are other reports of him out drinking with friends but not problems resulting from them. Am I forgetting more? Three time in 2 1/2 years doesn’t scream violent drunk to me. I will also say I’m his fan and NOT his mother, BF or record label so I’ll let them worry about it if they feel they need to. Second, as for them “laughing” about last night I’ve found that in any situation you can laugh or cry, and laughter is usually the best option and doesn’t mean you haven’t taken the situation seriouslyThird, as a fan, the music is really what’s most important to me, He has been happy and in love while working on this album and I want happy in love Adam promoting it! So finish those burgers boys and get on to the make-up sex!

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

Which he deserved, as there was photographic evidence of him having physically assaulted Rihanna, with bruises and cuts visible. This situation is not comparable to that, but yeah, as we see here in this thread, some people are going to paint this episode in the worst possible light and will vilify Adam. But then, there are a group of people who’ve been doing that right along – comes with being famous.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Ohhhh Thank you for that information. I didn’t know that… good to know for my future mistakes (and there will be many I am sure). lol

Tera2

Looks like Adam has a drinking problem. I remember when they said he was thrown out of lady Gaga’s birthday party cause he was being a nuisance, punched hole in the ceiling and drunk out of his mind – now he’s going to other countries all drunk and fighting with boyfriend and hitting models that got in the way and getting arrested. He must have been belligerent for cop to arrest only him. I thought they said that’s his true love. They need to get away from each other if they gonna be fighting in public and ending up in jail.

Anonymous

I love this post! I was just making a similar comment to my family that while being in the spotlight for over two years getting disorderly a couple times doesn’t automatically signal a chronic problem. I’m not even including the pap situation, as Adam was just trying to grab the camera while the smiling photographer played keep-away. In my normal-person life, I’ve been involved in a few situations of which I’m not particularly proud, and that’s just going out once every month or two. In Adam’s celebrity lifestyle, he’s constantly out on the town or in social situations that seem to include alcohol. So, I totally agree that in over 2 years, two instances of disorderly behavior just don’t seem like huge deal.

Anonymous

I remember when they said he was thrown out of lady Gaga’s birthday party

This didn’t happen. See comments previous in thread for more explanation.

Anonymous

I have no idea who/what caused the fight. I just hope the next Idol who
gets into a bar fight with their significant other gets defended as
well. ;)

Copy that!!! Amen! Two Thumbs Up, and all that jazz!!

Anonymous

I think there’s a happy middle ground between excusing dumb behavior and taking a couple of incidents of dumb behavior to extrapolate about the other 98% of a person’s personality and character.

I think he did something dumb, which I can understand because we all do dumb things sometimes (different people do different kinds of dumb things, obviously)–that doesn’t make it not dumb, but it’s not a big deal. And Adam’s reputation seems very good, and a couple incidents of dumb behavior–especially in the industry he’s in–isn’t going to alter that.

Not to throw shade on the music industry–just that inevitably industries built around more colorful “out there” people are going to be more accepting of incidents of silly behavior. :)

Anonymous

I’m still baffled that the theme of most comments runs to Adam being the instigator, aggressor, and bad drunk. Where is Sauli in all of this? We don’t have the deets about how this all began, etc. Just what if…

What if Sauli started it all, Sauli and his friends downplayed it to protect Sauli not Adam, the friend pulls Sauli away before he gets too out of hand, the girlfriend consoles Adam as he’s crying and upset about Sauli’s aggression (maybe even trying to convince him not to press charges), Sauli dries out in the tank while Adam’s at the station making a statement as the victim, etc, etc, etc.????

I’m not saying this as Adam’s fan, although I am that. In part, I am saying it as a former domestic violence prosecutor who knows these things are almost never as obvious as they seem. And understandably, folks nearly always have very strong views, whether they know anything first hand or not.

I hope they’re ok. I believe they laugh only from embarrassment.

Oh, and on the male on male aggression question, it’s treated differently (not necessarily right, just is) even in relationships — think brother v. brother fights. That’s how people seem to view it, in my experience. I agree it’s a dangerous precedent to downplay it regardless, but people do and the brothers dynamic is a large part of why (in my experience.)

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I am not sure that Adam would mind getting “licked out of clubs” ha ha :) I love typos when they make an argument humorous.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

lol fight to the Finnish! lol

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

What is being dismissed is this rush to judgment that physical violence was involved here. People keep saying “not that this necessarily happened here” yet all of this concern assumes that it did. Those of us who are not wringing our hands over the incident are recognizing that there is evidence that this did not reach that level, given accounts by people there, the police not pressing charges, and the reactions of the two parties actually involved.

There’s a huge difference between reaching the conclusion that this was not a physically violent/abusive incident, and excusing physical violence/abuse.

Anonymous

LOL, I just saw Eber’s tweet. Took me a minute cause I slow with puns but that was funny. Guess Adam has some ‘splaining to do. Enjoying BTIKM even more now though as it sure relates to Adam’s real life now, even down to “December winter night”, hahahaha

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I agree agathe_hb… :) Again, we have a bunch of puritans in this country… if we (his fans) wanted an Idol that was careful about everything he/she did so as not to offend the public we would have voted for other contestants. The only kind of vanilla I like is Ice Cream.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

The insults will be there about Adam regardless of what he does. In my opinion.

Damn, it’s better than watching True Blood. He’s really working hard for our entertainment, isn’t he? I can totally see him making a MV out of this for his new song…

Anonymous

double post

Anonymous

There’s a huge difference between reaching the conclusion that this was not a physically violent/abusive incident, and excusing physical violence/abuse.

This is what I have been trying to say but not as succinctly or well worded. Thank you.

Anonymous

Damn, it’s better than watching True Blood. He’s really working hard for our entertainment, isn’t he? I can totally see him making a MV out of this for his new song…

While I don’t think people need to make such harsh judgments, I also don’t see anything entertaining about this situation (save perhaps how terrible his father’s puns are). I hope it’s lesson learned and never seen again.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

EmyR I love the fact that you keep correcting the inaccuracies of tweets! I am loving the fact that you are on the case!

Leandro Cardim Da Silva

I don’t care for the fight, it happens all the time with all kind of people, with alcohol or not.

I just thought interesting he added the term jet lag to vodka. Can’t he just assume he drank a lot? maybe trying to hide an alcohol problem?

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Loving his single also! :)

mmb

Considering that in the last 4-5 days Adam flew from LA to Shanghai and then from Shanghai to Helsinki why is it so hard to believe he has jet lag? I’m pretty sure his tweet basically acknowledged that he had too much to drink under the circumstances…..

Miss Chaos

Yay~~~~~~~~~Thats the video for BTIKM~~~~~~~~~ HeHe, and he didnt even have to pay for people in the video!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

My last comment on the subject and it’s addressed to Adam.

Thank you for the entertainment on an otherwise, very slow & boring news day. Live long & prosper, but please, take care of yourself.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

After the big hoopla :) with the AMAs didn’t Nigel have Adam on the finale of SYTYCD? I am pretty sure he did and sent out some very supportive tweets. I am not worried about Adam being able to book TV appearances lol

Anonymous

You don’t? I find Mr. Lambert very entertaining from day one. He amuses me to no end. I say this with love abundant…

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I have nothing against bad boys but I agree with you isisdagmar… I don’t think he has a badboy reputation

Anonymous

OMG, don’t give him any ideas! I can totally see him making a MV about this, lol. I don’t know about True Blood though, not much tops that in my book.

Anonymous

Lol. I do so hate inaccuracies, I’m not sure why they keep getting repeated, but perhaps there are too many comments to read back through. These posts always get long.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

If he’s a bad boy, he’s doing it wrong, lol. Two vague incidences in two years is not gonna keep that reputation strong!

Anonymous

The guy is basically a cupcake, just has bad judgement once in a while like all of us.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

I’m also glad you’re correcting inaccuracies. I think it has as much to do with what people want to believe, as it does what is fact or whether people take the time to read the rest of the thread. If someone doesn’t like Adam, or disapproves of some aspect of his lifestyle, they’re going to be looking for and believing anything that supports that viewpoint, whether it’s true or not.

http://twitter.com/RonnieDRocks Ronnie D

This is spreading like wildfire all over the internet lol. People, USA Today, Mtv…one headline reads “LAMBERT CAUGHT IN GAY BAR BRAWL.” I think the story gets more spicier and interesting the more times it’s told. lol.

Anonymous

I find Adam extremely entertaining on pretty much every subject except something like this. I cautioned people earlier that they were using extreme words too easily but I think the opposite can be cautioned against as well. I don’t think it should be condemned or condoned so fully.

Personally, I’m disappointed this even needed to be discussed and I do not approve of drunken behavior to the point of public incident. I would take a lot of scandals over this kind of ‘gate, even if it’s turned out to be nothing major.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

NewinNM! I love the way you think! On to the make-up sex!!!! You hear that puritans Two men having make-up sex! :) lol

Anonymous

I agree, he’s like the gift that keeps on giving. Between the gorgeous voice and great music, fantastic performances, and the little “extras” of his life, there is just never a dull moment.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WGXNZEYZ6COJ6STWNCPRKEAJLY Ana

What’s more impressing about all this really are the comments from fans. Oh wow, seriously from funny to not important to will be forgotten? Fandom has always been a scary place, but the way people justify the things their idols do had no limits.
Does that matter? That it’s “natural to get drunk?” that maybe after tomorrow no one will talk about it? A guy gets drunk, creates problems and apparently hits someone else and you worry about the press and when people will stop talking about? I think that’s not really the relevant thing here.

Not everyone who gets drunk fights. At all. Especially at a age you should already be able to control yourself. I’m not saying they should go to jail, break up or anything like that. But beating someone is not just “something”. Especially when the person doing it has already a history of being aggressive. At least I hope that if the boyfriend was a girlfriend the comments would be different.

Anonymous

We don’t know Adam, so we don’t know how alcohol usually affects him. All we can go by is the fact that he parties quite a bit and that this is one of two alcohol-induced disturbances we’ve heard about over his entire time in the public eye. I would say it’s safe to say Adam generally handles his booze better than he did at that bar in Helsinki, so it’s quite possible that the alcohol combined with jet-lag was a particularly terrible mix. In photos taken earlier that day with a fan, Adam just looked exhausted. I don’t think any of this necessarily spells out “drinking problem,” but I do hope, for his health and safety, that Adam learns to take it easy when he’s obviously physically spent.

larc

All this puts me in mind of the title of one of Shakespeare’s plays: Much Ado About Nothing. ;)

Anonymous

It’s also that not a lot of people covered E!’s confirmation that the story, at least the throwing out part, was false. I’m fairly certain MJ did b/c she’s on top of news, but all the facts about how long it took for it to be said and how no one corroborated was kind of left to side by very many.

Repeating it after it’s been commented on no less than 3 times in a single post may be a bit much though.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Can you just imagine Kris Allen or Scotty Mccretchy getting in a fight after a drunken night out partying in Finland? Having a hard time imaging that… lol

http://twitter.com/moni0112 Monica

I hope everything is ok for Adam and Sauli, and, as Adam says, this is “lesson learned”
Yes, “love is not easy”

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WGXNZEYZ6COJ6STWNCPRKEAJLY Ana

What a great gift, being a drunk aggressive human being. Don’t we all wish a person like that in our lives? Let me go to jail and look for one just for me.

Anonymous

No one got beaten.

Anonymous

Had Adam “beaten” Sauli or anyone else, he would not have been let out of jail after questioning and without charges being filed. Also, Sauli’s friends would not have made light of the incident.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I am always chomping at the bit to shoot down the inaccuracies but you are on the case so I can just chill and read comments. :)

http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

Substance abuse really doesn’t care if you’re an atheist or a puritan. Its genetic and no more immoral than having diabetes. He has symptoms that could be interpreted to indicate he is sick and pointing them out and hoping he addresses it so he can get well isn’t really asking too much.

Anonymous

First of all, Adam is not “in my life”, I am just a fan. Second, we really don’t know exactly what happened, so I don’t know where the “aggressive” part comes in.

Anonymous

“but it’s forever”

bawwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Anonymous

I find it interesting that Adam is automatically being declared the aggressive one in this instance, despite nothing in the reports by anyone involved suggest such.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I agree with you EmyR I was not thrilled reading this in the AM. I am waiting to hear more details but as it stands it is still not a shining moment in Adam’s journey. I hope he does learn from this but I am confident he will and change, as we all do based on life circumstances.

Anonymous

I hope they wouldnt. Being a boyfriend vs a girlfriend make no different when violence is involved.

The problem for your argument, imo, is that there was no hitting, and no violence, hence why the comments are different.

http://twitter.com/frogcooke frogcooke

No problem at all. i havent posted much with the new format either. (late reply)

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

“has already a history of being aggressive”

What in the world are you talking about?

Anonymous

well, you never know, still water runs deep :)

Anonymous

Yeah that was pretty adorable. :)

HotHotHot

Well, a drunken scuffle and a night in the drunk tank, while not something I appreciate, isn’t the end of the world. I think it has been way overblown because he/they are celebrities. Adam is not stupid and he will adjust his behavior appropriately, I think. I do not believe he has an alcohol problem, or he would not have made the tour, the promo and a new record without incident. I believe in him but he is a human being with flaws, like the rest of us! No one is perfect, no one (okay, maybe he is almost perfect)!

Anonymous

I am just as puzzled as you are. I have been following Adam for like 3 years now and I think I would have caught this, lol.

Anonymous

Well, as a fan, wish it hadn’t happened. But, dealing with the fact that there’s no subsequent investigation for Perez to feed on, this will probably fade in a day or two. The “aura” will linger a while longer, but as the video emerges, he’s seen on the promos, and the album drops, it’ll eventually just become a part of all the background noise.

Have no opinion on the drinking; he’s old enough to figure that one out by himself.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

and people who have problems are quick to find them in others. Since you’ve said you’ve struggled with alcohol yourself in an earlier post here, it’s possible that you’re projecting your own situation onto Adam, where it doesn’t actually apply. Most of the reports we have of Adam are times when he’s out in public, and a lot of those are restaurants and bars. If he had a big problem, it is likely we would have heard more evidence of this being a problem for him than what we’ve seen.

Anonymous

Substance abuse is not genetic, it is rather a behavioral problem and tends to run in the family for that reason, not for genes… otherwise all the children of drug addicts and alcoholics would have no chance in hell of a normal life

Nele621

Getting arrested for punching a pap, getting thrown out of Lady Gaga’s party after putting hole in the wall, and now this, tells me Adam has a problem with violence and alcohol.

Anonymous

yep, that’s what I have been trying to say :)
just because Sauli is the smaller one and considered a “girlfriend” does not make Adam the attacker, we just don’t know what happened, I am glad that everything is all right and they have learned their lesson ….. not to get drunk in public ;)

http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

I have no reason to project anything to Adam. Him mentioning a “Blackout” in relation to his own drinking projects on himself more than I ever could.

http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

There are quite a few studies that show it is, but that debate is for another time.

Anonymous

Reminder:

Seriously. The ban hammer IS coming out NOW. I don’t have time to babysit this thread all day.

DO NOT lecture, question the motives of or put words in the mouths of your fellow posters.

Also, if I feel a poster is trolling (and that is 100% up to MY discretion) I will delete, ban you.

Stick to the topic. Keep your opinions in “I” statements (and no, sorry, the royal “we” is still interpreted as “YOU”) dial back the anger.

starhart

I thought the hit was accidental–I have accidently hit people w/ and w/o alcohol. BIG difference from that to deliberating smacking someone.

Anonymous

I don’t think so. Read back over the first page or so of comments, and there were a number of comments that were very dismissive and finding humor in this. As I said, I do not want to condemn anyone who has done nothing wrong, but, without knowing all of the facts, it is inappropriate to refer to it as a lovers spat or otherwise. I know more about the this subject than I would like, and TBH it’s a bit offensive to trivialize it.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Neil, Adam’s brother, just tweeted “Finnish police are HUGE fans of Outlaws Of Love. They play it at their work parties.” lol So funny!

Anonymous

I didn’t realize hangover burgers were an actual thing. I thought that was a Gilmore girls invention. My friends mostly just drink coffee and eat toast and whine when they’re hungover. :)

Anonymous

Like I always heard from my parents: Nothing good ever happens after midnight ;)

Sounds like they are both pretty much over it already. Thanks for the calm & fair report MJ.

Anonymous

Yeah, I guess it’s similar to nature or nurture debate :)
too bad the problem exists altogether, though :(

ronnie

There were indications with the Gaga incident, now it has descended into this. He needs professional help before it goes any further.

Leandro Cardim Da Silva

I know how jet lag affects people and it has 0% of influence on the occurrence of this event. And it’s also difficult to imagine someone who’s not drinking for the first time having a “blackout” with few drinks and some jet lag. It was just A LOT OF vodka and his relationship problems (which idk anything about) that caused these events.

starhart

Yes, but Adam, from what I read, didnt’ hit/shove/do anything physically abusive with Sauli–rather, accidently hit, with a waving arm, the beauty queen who was trying to ‘comfort him’. That sounds drunken clumisness and stupidity, not abuse.
Now, abuse of alcohol–that might be real!

Anonymous

In my country there are many restaurants that offer “hangover breakfast” – the menu is different
the most funny was:
“bloody mary, eggs and sausage” hehehehehe

Other than the fact that both guys were arrested then released without charges being pressed, we know nothing.

I have been there, done that minus the tank. Friends have done that, and ended up in the tank, one in Dublin, one in Milwaukee. I don’t have a drinking problem, nor do they.

Again: We know nothing.

Anonymous

Adam looks so happy and handsome at the airport in the video above. He looks like he’s in love. :)

Anonymous

From what the girl and her boyfriend said it was more of a bump. Somehow, through the internet game of telephone it went from bump to shove to hit. It doesn’t seem to have been anything really, just standard rumor.

http://twitter.com/Mks4realz Mikas

LOL Adam.

Let the heavy drinking to when you’re on vacation. Let’s just focus on that awesome album right now, ok?

Sincerely, one of your many ‘stans’. =D

Anonymous

“Outlaws of Love” – so perfect – didn’t think of that one – thanks!

Anonymous

uh oh I’m sad for them. something like that is never good for a couple

Anonymous

Short, sweet, succinct – great post.

Anonymous

I agree :)
I would just die laughing if I read tomorrow that Sauli is fighting for his life in a hospital or some other BS, Christmas season is slow on gossip, hehe
But Adam should totally make his new video based on that story, it would be a hoot :)

starhart

As a recovering alcoholic who blacked out with my first 1/2 a beer, I will say that if you drink and BLACK out–vs pass out–you need to realize alcohol is no longer being broken down by your body in a safe manner. IE, you need to consider not drinking at all.

CindyM

just because Sauli is the smaller one and considered a “girlfriend”

Sorry, but this bothers me. It’s like when two men get married and someone ask “who’s the bride”? They are two men. Neither of them is a woman and applying these heteronormative labels is wrong.

As far as the situation goes, it sounds like too much vodka on both their parts. The police did not charge anyone, which I’m sure they would have if it was warranted and Adam has tweeted “lesson learned”. The public spotlight has its rewards and its pitfalls. Thank God there was no spotlight on me for my “moments”.

Anonymous

Oh Adam, this is so Rock & Roll!!! Hope you and Sauli have kissed and made up already. If we see you back in California today, we will know differently.

starhart

It does cause physical exhaustion which can impair judgement and rational thinking processes.

Anonymous

People react to alcohol differently on different occasions, if they are tired they tend to have less tolerance, or if they don’t eat while drinking, etc.
plus it happened in Finland, where people tend to drink much more hard liquor, so maybe he consumed more alcohol in their company than he should have. In my country, if somebody offers you to have a drink with him/or her it is considered impolite to refuse. Not saying that this is a good thing, but this is a “tradition” of some sorts…

http://twitter.com/mathPhD mPhD

aislinn said: “There’s a huge difference between reaching the conclusion that this was not a physically violent/abusive incident, and excusing physical violence/abuse.”

I have to disagree that conclusions can be drawn. I would say no one here can “come to the conclusion” that this was or was not a physically violent/abusive incident. No one has all the facts. Was there shoving? Was there pushing? Was there more or less than that? All we have are various reports.

I made a long comment on page 6 about abuse and respect in relationships in general.

Do we know what actually happened here? No. I strongly disagree that a rational conclusion based on factual information can be drawn in either direction in this incident given what is currently known, and what may ultimately ever be known.

Anonymous

I think people are blowing this out of proportion. So there was a drunken argument. Big deal. If anything, this will help Adam by keeping his name out there. It’s about the music for me, anyway. Don’t really care that much about other stuff.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WGXNZEYZ6COJ6STWNCPRKEAJLY Ana

Rihanna’s life is way busier than Adam’s these days. I was at the Rihanna concert where she run off the stage and puked and she still put up a great show btw. If she’s sick, all the best to her.
But Jet lag does not justify things. If you don’t feel your body is well, don’t drink. Adam is 30, not 13.

Anonymous

Many factors interact with how severely alcohol affects the body/mind. One of the few times I’ve ever thrown up from drinking was because I had gone for a five mile run that afternoon and was tired/dehydrated because of it. It’s conceivable that Adam was drinking his usual amount but the interaction with the tiredness/jet lag affected him more strongly than usual. Not his finest moment, of course, but you live and learn.

Anonymous

I only wrote “considered”, because heterosexual people tend to project their way of thinking onto homosexual couples.
On the side note, I have many gay friends and they explained to me the whole “top” and “bottom” thing, so there is a sort of “female/male” element to this :)

Anonymous

by the way, I looove your username :) sound so romantic :)

http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

This story is getting national media coverage and I’m sure will be on all the Entertainment programs if it isn’t already. Always amazed at how a negative garners such attention in the media.

CindyM

On the side note, I have many gay friends and they explained to me the
whole “top” and “bottom” thing, so there is a sort of “female/male”
element to this :)

No, there’s really not. They are still two males.

newinNM

I know when I’m jet lagged I get REALLY bitchy, bitch + booze = fight, LOL Adam isn’t the only one that can use math! and as far as actually blacking out, if he was unconscious how could he get in a fight?

Lyndsey sent out a tweet at how sad she was by the comments on there… It appears to be a couple trolls that are just surfing the net and saying vile things over and over again on any site with the story.

Anonymous

Exactly. There are many masculine bottoms, and there are plenty of feminine tops. You cannot use such notions to draw a conclusion as to who’s the “man and woman.” They are both men, and trying to place such notions as male and female partner is disingenuous at best.

Anonymous

blackout means that a person forgets what she/he has done earlier, the mind sort of erases the memory, but such person may be still able to talk and act quite normally, just does not remember afterwards

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

It is the comments and the people that would do something like that… that make me more of a fan and defender of Adam. Does anybody deserve the type of garbage being spewed there an across the internet?

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

Leandro, I’ve experienced jetlag in combination with alcohol, and yes, they do tend to exacerbate each other, at least they did for me. It’s not possible to state that it had 0% influence on Adam since neither of us is Adam, and neither of us were there to see/experience what happened.

sdmama

Somewhere, TMZ is crying because this happened in Finnland. ;)

Yesterday, I was watching iTune position going up. Today, I am looking at the number of “Adam Lambert” brawl news count going up in Google.
By the way, this is not a stunt for a free press for neither of them. Did they want to be in a press like this? I think not.

Sure, whatever dumb stuff Adam does get a press coverage. If we don’t like it or we think it is unfair, we should blame press, not Adam. I think press is following whatever they think people want to read about it and debate, complain, or laugh about it. Working well, from the number of comments I already see in this thread.I am not defending Adam for letting himself so drunk to lose his normal good sense. I can’t believe I am agreeing with Perez Hilton on this. Yikes. But it sounds like he admits that that was bad and learned lessons, so I hope he means it, and the lesson isn’t just “Don’t do it in public place”. I can imagine verbally arguing is hard in English for Sauli, and impossible in Finnish for Adam after being drunk.

Anonymous

I know, right? these people need to get a life, seriously, it’s so sad
even Lyndsey tweeted about it #hatersaretrespassing

Anonymous

it always makes me sad… but these people do it because they can stay anonymous, I bet they would never say something like that to Adam’s face or anybody else’s
cyberbullies

Anonymous

Well that wasn’t cool.

We’ll see if there any fallout from this. But I hope that just personally, Adam realizes that having drunken fights with your SO isn’t cool. In any country, for any reason.

Anonymous

I agree, smaller does not equal submission. Brad Bell (Adam’s former boyfriend and still friend) is also smaller and Adam has indicated that he (Adam) was definantly the more passive partner in that relationship. (As would seem to be supported by “Cheek”‘s personality. )
Roles in all relationships ebb and flow, as each partner has strengths and weaknesses.
And until we see a police report or someone reliable – at least not under the influence of alcohol – who was there, it is only speculation as to what actually happened. Speculation leads to rumors and rumors lead to beliefs about something that can quite often not be changed.

Anonymous

OMG, I almost spit my tea on the monitor, hahahahahha
I immediately imagined drunk Adam trying to say something in Finnish :D

Anonymous

Love Adam; but for a smart guy this was dumb,dumb, dumb. And there is such a thing as bad press. Having said that, it will all blow over in a day or so, so no real harm done professionally.

Bottom line (and I can say this from a little bit of personal experience), nothing good will ever really come from being drunk at 4:30 in the morning.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

Actually, that’s exactly the conclusion I reached, so yes, it is possible for someone here to come to that rational conclusion. Based on the evidence we have, limited though it is, I don’t believe that this was a physically violent/abusive incident, but that wasn’t even my point.

My point is that I disagree with the way that the two concepts are being conflated in this thread. People such as myself disagreeing with the notion that this was an abusive incident does not equate to us, or me, since I can only speak for myself. in any way excusing physical violence or abuse. I don’t disagree with your lengthy post; I disagree with the impression that it applies to this situation, or that myself or anyone else was implying that physical violence/abuse can or should be excused.

omg, of course they’re two males. Are we now questioning the maleness of gay men? This is insane.

Anonymous

Substance abuse does have a genetic component. If you have one grandparent who is an alcoholic you have a 1:4 chance of becoming an alcoholic.

CindyM

No, I was referring to people using the term “girlfriend” to describe Sauli.

Tess

So its been a few hours and I just read all the new comments. At least all of this has been an interesting interlude between all the stress of Christmas and its been enlightening for me to see how a single incident can be interpreted so many different ways.

Bottom line, for me, is that it hasn’t impacted the way I feel about Adam as an entertainer that I thoroughly enjoy. I’m old enough and worldly enough to know that reality isn’t usually the way it is reported…that cold hard facts are almost always distorted to be presented in a way that is most advantageous for the media, whether in hits to their sites or fodder for their agendas.

I am sure that Adam and Sauli would just like to forget last night happened…I am sure they are embarrassed and apologetic that anyone got caught up in their “tiff” and that they ended up being tabloid fodder. And unless true facts are ultimately presented that says that either Sauli or Adam are being criminally charged for what occurred I will just chalk it up to poor judgment. Others may see it totally differently and that is their right and choice….they don’t need to support Adam in his musical endeavors and that, I think, is the best way to voice their displeasure with his actions.

Anonymous

Well, this whole thing is sad, really. There are a lot of excuses being thrown around about Adam’s behavior by his fans and I understand the desire to protect him. But it really does not matter if he was not thrown out of Gaga’s, or there was not a punch thrown or whatever. The big RED FLAG is the blacking out. You just can’t brush that off. I blacked out the memories of the night before just one time when I was 25. Someone who loved me confronted me about the seriousness of blacking out in terms of its relationship to alcoholism. That was it for me. I was glad to have someone who cared enough not let me off the hook. When my husband started in with what looked to be a drinking problem (his father was a recovering alcoholic) I did not let him off the hook either. I confronted him and called in the calvary (sp?) – major intervention early, swift and without mercy. I feel thankful that he never touched another drink. Adam’s fans should be letting him know this is not OK, not that it is entertaining. I’m sure they prefer he entertain them on the stage and not with his antics.

Anonymous

Wow such a great role model. Except not.

Anonymous

TMZ isn’t crying, Harvey is on a tweet spree about it. I expect it to be in tonight’s episode.

Anonymous

alcoholism is a terrible disease, I know from personal experience, but not every person who gets drunk is an alcoholic, fortunately :)

Anonymous

Umm, I think he is on vacation. And he is pretty much done with his album and has his first single out.
Speaking of which, on the bright side, BTIKM is still holding a #31 on iTunes overall and #15 pop, pretty amazing and unexpected considering there is literally no airplay yet.
Oh and BTIKM is still #1 in Finland by a wide margin, lol.

Anonymous

But it really does not matter if he was not thrown out of Gaga’s, or there was not a punch thrown or whatever.

It is when it’s being to create a false character history.

I agree that having a black out if worrisome, but it’s not actually an indicator by itself that he has an issues. If it ever become a pattern, then it should be commented on and hope help is sought, but diagnosis via the internet is never accurate, imo.

ETA: I also do agree about the entertaining part. I don’t find this entertaining at all.

Anonymous

I feel that if there is a problem (and I’m still not going to ascribe one to him based on the few scraps of tabloid news we’ve gotten and one statement made by him that may or may not have meant a literal blackout), he has a devoted mother and father, a brother who will mince no words, and a slue of very loyal friends to do the honors.

Anonymous

I have blacked out in my very young life. Sorry, but I’m fairly certain I’m not an alcoholic as are my parents. Thankyou very much.

Anonymous

Adam needs to go write a song about self destructing every time he is on the bring of something wonderful.

Anonymous

He seems to have a prophetic song right before something. Pop Goes the Camera, WWFM and now BTIKM. And he didn’t even have to write the last two. Weird.

I still say they can make this into a really good video.

HotHotHot

Well, Adam is a big boy and so far, he has managed to handle his life pretty well. So, I’m not going to worry about this. Still have Christmas shopping to do!!!

Anonymous

How is Adam self- destructing? He made a dumb mistake but I seriously doubt this is going to hurt him career wise. His single is still out, RCA is still going to promote the hell out of it and all those glowing reviews aren’t going to get retracted. I don’t believe for a minute that PD’s aren’t going to play his music because of this incident. I also don’t think Brian May is going to change his mind about Adam singing with Queen and RCA isn’t going stop his album from coming out because of a stupid drunken brawl which even the police said was a minor incident. The vast majority of Adam fans or would be fans are not going to suddenly shun Adam’s music. The only thing that might happen is that Sauli and Adam might be going through a bit of a difficult time and need to talk, but looks like they already have. Everything is just as wonderful as it always was, this is just a blip.

Anonymous

He and Carrie are generally talked about as the sweetest people to come out of Idol, and he’s obviously one of the most hard-working and talented, so I think he is. :)

larc

If you have one grandparent who is an alcoholic you have a 1:4 chance of becoming an alcoholic.

Really? What if all 4 grandparents are alcoholics? There’s no hope?

Anonymous

Wow such a great role model. Except not.

See, I hate that “Role Model” thingy. I have never consider Mr. Lambert as MY role model. To me, he’s an alien with out of this world talent, a fiction figure that lives a life I can only imagine, a star burns brightly with all its intensity, but I can only admire from afar. No, he’s not the cute boy next door, or that country boy strums a guitar and kisses the cross(there’s nothing wrong if those’re your types), nor I want him to be. He wouldn’t be Adam if he’s just like those so called “role models”. People keep saying he’s hoopla magnet, that’s because he’s so different than your everyday boring Joe. He’s extraordinary. And that’s the draw for me.

Anonymous

I do think the importance of the “role model” is one of those vanilla middle america idolbert things. Obviously not everyone thinks that way, but it’s definitely part of why that show is so often about god and apple pie and all that.

That said, while I don’t model my behavior after any celebrity (except maybe Kate Winslet, lol), but I do think Adam would and is a great one for people who want someone to model themselves after someone kind and generous and brave (in a “being yourself in the face of adversity way”, not like a death-defying firefighter way).

He’s a superb singer and I like his music. It’s American idol, not American role model.

Anonymous

This event is embarrassing, but I think it’s a big leap for anyone who doesn’t know him personally to diagnose him as an alcoholic based on a one time drunken scuffle and lover’s quarrel. Adam has spent a lot of time in clubs and bars without incident.
I’m sure if Adam were an alcoholic his father would be aware of it and would not be joking about it on twitter.

Anonymous

The information I have is from a genetic counselor that my family consulted. I’m not qualified to answer the question about what would happen if all 4 grandparents were alcoholics. I personally would find that to be sad, but a geneticist would know more about that than I would.

cwm

Yep, it was stupid and unfortunate, for sure. And I hate the thought of Adam and Sauli in a drunken scuffle. But I still love Adam and his music, I still support him, and I feel bad for both of them having to deal with the fallout, especially since the incident has apparently been blown out of proportion by the media. And I think his arithmetic tweet showed courage, honesty, remorse, and humor about the whole situation.

Geez, could the lyrics to BTIKM be any more prescient? I agree with others – there’s your BTIKM music video right there, Adam.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I haven’t met an American yet that isn’t angry in general. No matter where you stand you are probably angry at the economy, the bank bailout crisis, politicians constantly acting like 12 year-olds and lying to us, companies cutting jobs and wages, prices continuing to rise and so on and so on. I agree with you that we all need to work on our temper BIG TIME… not just Adam but all of us.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I haven’t met an American yet that isn’t angry in general. No matter where you stand you are probably angry at the economy, the bank bailout crisis, politicians constantly acting like 12 year-olds and lying to us, companies cutting jobs and wages, prices continuing to rise and so on and so on. I agree with you that we all need to work on our temper BIG TIME… not just Adam but all of us.

Anonymous

Now, after we discussed all the aspects of the incident, the one important question remains Is Adam going to Lapland to meet Santa Clause, or not?

May we all have happy and healthy Holidays.. :o)

Anonymous

“Self destructing” may not have been the best choice of words. He will be fine. It just seems like he makes things harder for himself than he has to just when things seems to be gaining momentum in his favor. That’s all. I still think it would make a good song.

Anonymous

Sure wish he would of gotten this much media attention over the positive things he has done!! Do something wrong and all the vultures come out!

Anonymous

after reading 350 comments, there’s only one thing I’ve noticed:

where’s Yeahright? lol

I’m sorry MJ, I just can’t help it:)

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

You know what they say about art imitating life… Adam likes to mix things up and do the reverse :)

Anonymous

Well put. I mean, Bruno Mars was caught with cocaine in some bathroom before a show or something wasn’t he? Is he considered a coke head? Also that didn’t hurt him one bit either.

Anonymous

You bet – none of that rebarbative “role model” hypocrisy.

alterego7

I think this public blowout says something about the fragility of their relationship. It’s too bad they had to resort to violence with each other. It’s ironic, whenever there is something negative regarding AdamLambert, the media is always accused of making it a big deal. Yet when there is something positive, it blown out of proportion by fan fiction and repeated to the point of over kill.

Anonymous

As a die-hard Adam fan and I mean I ADORE the guy. I love him to death for his talent, his kind heart, his positive, caring spirit…etc…(and he’s absolutely gorgeous and fearless) but I also love him because he’s human and he’s not perfect and he doesn’t pretend to be. Sometimes he says the wrong thing and speaks out too passionately and sometimes he gets carried away on stage and sometimes he gets pissed off on Twitter and sometimes he likes to party. I agree with the majority here that 3 minor incidents of “drunken” and/or “disorderly” in almost 3 years does not an alcoholic or anger management candidate make.

I think it needs to be said that if Adam had a “temper problem” or issues dealing with other people or getting along with people we would not hear consistently from people from all different sides of industry what a pleasure it is to work with him. This incident appears to have stemmed from an issue between he and Sauli and alcohol simply fueled the escalation to out of control. Adam kind of took responsibility for it with his “irrational confusion” statement but we don’t know who or what started it.

My emotions have run the gamut today from being extremely upset first thing, then angry (not at Adam) then after Adam’s tweet I felt relieved and even kind of giggled a little bit at the irony or how the incident matched up to the lyrics of BTIKM.

I don’t think the press is a bad thing at all sans the slanderous material that Perez tried to extract from an incident that is actually pretty damn common and not criminal by any stretch of the imagination. But more reputable media outlets have set the record straight and reported what trufax happened (at least the parts that are known).

Adam is a lover not a fighter but I do believe some pushing and shoving between he and Sauli happened. We don’t know what the issue was or how it started and we may never know. My main concern (second to my concern for Adam’s happiness, safety and well-being) is that he and Sauli had cause to quarrel. Whatever the reason was I hope that they can resolve it so that it doesn’t rear it’s ugly head again.

Anonymous

I think it is called being human and really don’t think anything has been made harder except maybe facing the in-laws, lol. I don’t doubt this will make it into some lyrics down the road too.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Love Adam! Love the single Better Thank I know Myself! Love my Glamily! Love (would love) to have trespassing in my hot little hands! Love hearing Adam sing live in concert! Love the thought of him in Finland with his love! Love Love Love!

Anonymous

I think that is out because he is now on the naughty list.

http://twitter.com/Loretta31 Loretta

Adam likes to live on the edge. So what? I drank and behaved questionably when I was 20-30. Sometimes when I think of certain things I did while under the influence I am thankful I did not hurt myself or someone else.

This is nothing big. No one hurt, unlike when Chris Brown beat Rhianna to a pulp, not arrested like Bruno Mars, and those two are HUGE POP STARS.

It is a shame that all the good Adam has done has received very little press and his misteps are all over the world in seconds. That is what is sad. Our society exhaults bad behavior and over looks good behavior. On a whole this is just sad of this world. We never hear about the good only the bad or questionable.

Adam will be fine. Many think this is Rock Star behavior. I just hope Adam gets some sleep, makes ammends with Sauli and enjoys his holiday.

Tess

All relationships are fragile…two peeps, two differing lifestyles and moral centers, two different family dynamics, two different personalities, two different opinions….the list is endless. It is the outliers (sp) that can usually say they have totally and completely solid relationships…I don’t recall anyone I know not having spats, disagreements, and arguments (both public and private) with their significant others…my parents had their fair share and they had almost 70 years together.

Anonymous

She was banned.
Yes, freckled_LIPS, there is Santa Clause. :o)

Anonymous

I think that is out because he is now on the naughty list

You mean, BOTH of them…;o)

Anonymous

Wish I could press that like button a million times.

Niall

If you can’t drink without becoming belligerent and getting into a pushing, shoving, wrestling, “incident” with the person you are supposed to love then maybe you shouldn’t drink. No alcohol, probably no physical incident.

I keep coming back to what pj said a few pages back. What if you looked at mjs article, and wherever it says “Adam” you replaced it with “Paul McDonald” “Kris Allen” or “Ace Young.” And wherever it says Sauli, you replaced it with “Nikki Reed” or “Katy Allen” or “Diana DeGarmo.” Is it still a wink and nod situation or a time to say “they’re just so young and in love and passionate?” Could Paul, Kris or Ace tweet “we’re laughing about it over hangover burgers” without the majority finding the whole thing very disturbing? My guess is people would believe the relationship was very unhealthy. And that is why I think the Sauli-Adam relationship is unhealthy.

Anonymous

Reminder:

WTF? Why are we talking about commenters who aren’t even here? You all know better. Please STICK TO THE TOPIC. SO FRUSTRATING.

Anonymous

After reading all 350+ comments all I can say is…wow, glad my life isn’t in the public eye. For example, my goal for today was just to get my morning started without having yet another “fight” with my partner. We’ve been together for almost 12 years and sometimes we just don’t “get” each other. Add being tired, stressed and the holiday expectation of perfection = major arguments. I’m sure both Adam and Sauli wish they could have last night back for a do-over. God knows I’ve had more than a few of those nights myself. I think Sauli summed it up best “love isn’t easy but it’s forever.”

opinions vary among scientists, the same as with the “criminal” gene and other stuff… I know great people, who come from alcoholic families and then really terrible people, who come from wonderful families, genes are not everything, fortunately :)

Tess

I live in the land of no alcohol and you should witness the domestic arguments that go on. People argue! And we don’t know what, if any, real physical contact was involved. I’ve grabbed someone’s arm many a time to try and stop them from leaving when I had something more to say…is that physical belligerence? And if someone grabbed my arm to get my attention I might swing my body pretty hard to get them to release me…is that punching or hitting someone? I just think there can be lots of non-violent physicality that occurs in an argument….but then I don’t believe giving a child a spank on the butt is abuse either and lots of people mightily disagree with me on that.

Anonymous

don’t worry, in my country it is considered in good taste to complain about everything, hehe
if you don’t complain, people think there is something wrong with you :)

Anonymous

So Adam isn’t perfect but at least he doesn’t lie or blame others for what he does. He takes
responsibility for his actions and learns from his mistakes. Sounds like he and Sauli have handled this incident with maturity and mutual respect and have moved on. And so have I. I’m going to go listen to Adam’s fantastic new single Better Than I Know Myself.

Anonymous

I agree, the fandom will keep this guy, not only a great singer, but always some type of drama just around the corner. I just hope the next episode doesn’t include spending the night in jail.

http://twitter.com/svmreiter Susan Reiter

Well it’s been a little while since we’ve heard an incident involving Adam – I’m here for the music myself. He does seem to land himself in the tabloids occasionally and I pretty much figure that won’t change. I feel the same about the role model thing as others do apparently. That’s not what I have ever thought of him as.

but we don’t know what all these people do at the privacy of their homes, maybe they fight too, everybody has their ups and downs, it’s really difficult to judge somebody’s relationship not knowing them on a daily basis.

Anonymous

Actully Bridgette I meant we are keeping that Mice guy from Finland, lol. Of course we are keeping Adam. FFS we have all ( almost all) been on a bender. He is in a still somewhat new fledgling relationship. Fights happen. Jealousy happens. Drunken jealous fights happen. the only thing is most of us are not in the public eye and have it reported for it to be dissected ad nauseum.

Anonymous

If it is unhealthy, and that is a BIG if, it is their problem. My take is they know they made fools of themselves, doubt there was any real violence, they’ve talked and worked it out, and this sounds healthy and pretty normal to me.

Anonymous

Remember when Adam fans were complaining because he had turned into a domestic homebody and never went out to party anymore?

Anonymous

This Adam fan wasn’t complaining. I was hoping his clubbing days were over.

Anonymous

Adam did see it-he just now retweeted “Don’t Hate Finland.”

TurkeyIdol

That’s my Rockstar. I love it!!!

Anonymous

I think the bottom line is nobody here knows what is really going on with Adam or with any celebrity. I mean I love Kris Allen but the guy could be a wife abuser, druggie or a total creep in his “real” life. Since Adam is a 30 year old man who has loved ones who actually do know him, I’ll leave it to them to decide whether this incident is cause for concern. I don’t get invested in the personal lives of people I don’t know because the personal lives of my family and friends are exhausting enough, lol!

fuzzywuzzy

There is a daily rhythm of sensitivity to alcohol that gets out of whack after jet lag, along with other bodily rhythms. It’s the basis of why people feel bad until all of the rhythms get back in sync again.

Anonymous

I’ll agree with this. He has terrible timing with his “missteps.” And any misstep seems to get blown up for the world to see. But, he will be fine.

Everyone that has worked with him from Idol staff to writers/producers to general media all say such glowing things about him. It is sad when something negative gets all the attention. But that is how it is, and Adam knows this.

And now I’m moving on, lol. And looking forward to an exciting January.

Wow, just saw this and I’m a little surprised. But it doesn’t really seem like a huge deal. Adam likes to have fun and never claimed to be perfect. So maybe he made a mistake, so what? He’s human. I don’t think Adam would ever purposely try to hurt anyone.

Anonymous

yep, their main fascination is with the likes of Lindsay Lohan and the Kardashians…. sad ineed
but that’s what a lot of people want – juicy gossip of the worst kind

Anonymous

LOL over 300 comments. That’s all I got *shrugs*

http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

Just an update — CBS News and other news sources have confirmed that Adam was held for a few hours and, following the police investigation, not charged.

Also, who else mistakenly hits a beauty queen in a bar fight? This is my fav headline so far….

“Adam Lambert Mistakenly Hits Miss Helsinki, Gets Arrested”Link: http://www.cinemablend.com/pop/Adam-Lambert-Mistakenly-Hits-Miss-Helsinki-Gets-Arrested-38017.html “Adam Lambert is out of jail and in good spirits after a strange night in Europe left the twenty-nine year old pop star incarcerated. The weirdness started on Wednesday at the Don’t Tell Mama gay bar in Helsinki, Finland. Lambert was there with his boyfriend, Sauli Koskinen, former Miss Helsinki Sofia Ruusila and a few other randoms when an argument started for unknown reasons.”So there was an argument in a bar, people were yelling at each other, Adam through a punch and his a beauty queen by accident, Adam and Sauli got thrown out of the bar and got arested, not charges were filed. Sound like a regular night in Lubbock, TX to me. Sometimes people do really, really dumb things when they drink. It appears no one got hurt, and the hangovers and a night in jail seem like fair punishment to me.

Anonymous

That Fox News headline makes me want to throw up. I feel tremendous sympathy for Adam. My armchair psychology is that his boyfriend is too perfect and that Adam doesn’t feel like he deserves him, so getting drunk brought out his insecurities. OK my theory is probably all wrong! But he doesn’t deserve to be accused of beating someone.

Anonymous

it reads like a soap opera, doesn’t it :)

Anonymous

I doubt Adam’s clubbing days are going to be over anytime soon. He loves to dance and party and drink and I honestly don’t that’s going to change for a while. Maybe he will be a little more careful next time but there is nothing wrong enjoying going out. And considering a large part of his new album is probably dance tracks all the more reason for him to continue his partying ways! Adam has been doing this a long, long time and this is the first time he has ever ended up in jail, so probably lesson learned about watching himself a bit.

ronnie

What’s disturbing is that something happened inside, they were thrown out and it continued outside. Once punches start getting thrown, relationships quickly deteriorate, if it happens once with everyone thinking it’s fine, it will happen again. I pray next time no one gets hurt.

Anonymous

At least the CBS news version is better than the Fox news version, no surprise.

Anonymous

okay, from the tweets of Sauli’s friends the events developed as follows:
The beauty queen is Sophia,Niko’s girlfriend.Niko is Sauli’s best friend
from Finnish Big Brothers.They are the favorite epic bromance jn
Finland. They tweeted ( Sophie and Niko):Adam and Sauli get into a
fight,because Adam got a little jealous.They wanted to separate them
and there was some shoving between the four of them.Mind you;all of them
pissy drunk out of their minds.Sohie said,Adam was crying and really
emotional.The two of them end up drunk wrestling a bit.The police
said,they put them in holding cells for the night and issued fines for
both.Apparently this thing happens often every weekend in
Helsinki.people pay fines and that’s the end of it.

Anonymous

For the record there were no tweets from no friends, and all of this is extrapolated from Finnish tabloid sites and are he said, she said reports. Go on.

And there were no fines paid because they weren’t charged with anything.

http://twitter.com/caroleinfl Carole Sue

From what I’ve read here, there was physical violence. Adam threw a punch and it hit a friend. And as reported here, she was knocked out. If she wanted to press charges, Adam would still be in jail. She’s a good friend to not press charges.

iani

Adam likes to live on the edge. So what?….Adam will be fine. Many think this is Rock Star behavior.

The police
said,they put them in holding cells for the night and issued fines for
both.Apparently this thing happens often every weekend in
Helsinki.people pay fines and that’s the end of it.

You don’t have to be a rock star to go partying in a club, get drunk and than
behave
irrational, it has happened many time to regular people too. In
Adam-Sauli’s case unfortunately vodka has been “speaking” for the final
“result” involving drunken-brawl and ultimately the police-action. I
know it’s not something flattering about it and I don’t try to find an
excuse for them, although I think they should be careful with the
drinking not to get worst. But it’s holiday-time, everybody is partying
and drinking and I’m pretty sure police is more vigilant this time
around, especially for clubs, or other crowded places with or without
drinking access. I haven’t read everything here, but maybe the police
hadn’t been called specially for the brawl, just showed up from anywhere
just being around and not to make a Adam-Sauli case. I know my husband
has always have money in his wallet in EU in a “secret” space only to
pay fees for small, stupid road violations especially around holidays.
When we’ve run out of cash he says, “I have the “police” bonus”, lol.

http://twitter.com/wanermania k w

Well he has got us all talking. Who else can get 400 comments on MJs???

Anonymous

nvm No real point to this.

revcat

Adam made the Daily Beast cheat sheet…

Anonymous

yes, there were tweets :)

mandabutter

Yeah, its fishy…
I don’t think this story is even close to over/dunzo. Not that many here are suggesting that. No charges, no further investigation means nothing when it comes to a celebrity’s image. The press will do their own “investigating” and spin.
>>”…told a Finnish entertainment channel that she had tried to get between the quarrelling couple when Lambert accidently hit her by mistake.<<
Oh f*ck. The only upside I can see from any of this is Entertainment shows probably won't have any new programming in the next week, mainly Best of types, and by January 1st something new will blow up with another star.

Anyone see the homophobic question posed by TMZ? Yuck.

mmb

What??? I don’t think it’s been reported anywhere that Adam threw a punch at the girl and certainly no reports from anywhere that she was knocked out!!!!!! I think we are now entering hour 10-12 of the telephone game …..

revcat

Adam knocked someone out? (Referring to Carol Sue’s post.) That sounds highly exaggerated to me. I don’t think we can believe anything we read especial rumors are circulating not to mention translation issues. Pretty sure it will blow over.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

“From what I’ve read here, there was physical violence. Adam threw a punch and it hit a friend. And as reported here, she was knocked out. If she wanted to press charges, Adam would still be in jail. She’s a good friend to not press charges”
***
Everything you just posted is what the press has blown up and made up. He did not punch out the ex beauty queen or anyone. She got in the way when Sauli and Adam were tossling and no one, NO ONE, has any injuries. She was not knocked out. All the friends there have said there was shoving and wrestling, no punches thrown by anyone.

Anonymous

Links please.

starhart

Well, my experience as a (in recovery for 24 years) alcoholic: you don’t have to be drinking a lot to black out. You don’t have to be new to drinking. If you are really exhausted/haven’t eaten, you will react differently than you might be used to, with alcohol. Bottom line? Anytime you black out vs pass out, watch out. Your body is on its way to a place you do NOT want to go.
Alcoholics don’t all drink alot or daily or even often. I didnt’.

starhart

And you might not be–but as a symptom, watch it. A normal physiological reaction to alcohol is to pass out–it is a cns depressant. If, instead, you black out, your body isn’t physically processing alcohol in a ‘normal’ way. this is just biology, not in any way a judgement. I blacked out on 8 ounces of beer the first time I drank. Unfortunately for me, NO one in my life knew enough to warn me that this wasn”t a normal physical response. I sometimes could drink a bit without blacking out…but mostly, did. I have friends who are not alcoholics who blacked out ONCE. Mostly, they pass out instead if they over-drink.
and if you black out without drinking much (as I did)–that is a way more serious signal that you dont’ process alcochol ‘normally’.
But honestly, to become and stay a practicing, ie, using, alcoholic, you often have other risk factors that i don’t see in Adam’s life.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Adam did not knock anybody out… not that I have read anywhere. I haven’t read anywhere credible that a punch was thrown just that somebody was hit. That could easily mean a Joan Collins Bitch Slap… and I fully endorse those especially when you think somebody is being an idiot. lol Just kidding. love the idea of the bitch slap but kids don’t try this at home. lol

mandabutter

A good friend or a rational person. I don’t know many that would want to go through a legal system in a foreign country over an accidental hit. You attempt to get in the middle of a physical altercation, you’re putting your own safety at risk.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Where are your quotes from? I would like to read the article myself? There have been no reports of physical violence and nobody was reportedly knocked out.

starhart

Welll…..
2 of my children’s 4 grandparents were alcoholics; both parents are. All kids are now sober alcoholics. I am grateful.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S7SESS3YJTJIQGNSE7PL5YUEGQ Silas Warner

Has anyone considered that the AMA incidents of simulated fellatio and other inappropriate behavior on stage, including falling down and giving the finger, was the result of drinking?

Anonymous

I don’t think public drunken brawling is ever cool. Not judging the participants but my reaction is to feel it should not be happening. If it happens more than once some help should be sought. I honestly just don’t want to see Adam getting himself into trouble. They seem like a nice couple. Not much else I can say.

Anonymous

As I said earlier, Adam and Sauli messed up but what is most troubling to me is the homophobic trash being spewed under every article in the comment sections. I don’t mind admitting that Adam is not perfect and makes mistakes. He’s made some doozies (AMA’s) but him and Sauli and every other minority in this country do not deserve this kind of abuse. It really is sad and disturbing when people use any chance they can get to hurt others.

Anonymous

I’ve learned not to read the comment section of any article about Adam, because there are some ugly, cruel people out there spewing a lot of hate.

Anonymous

From what I have read Sophia stated that Adam was crying and very emotional and both her and Niko were trying to step in between Adam and Sauli. That is when Adam accidentally hit her…not punching her. She said she was fine and him hitting her was unintentional. With him and Sauli it was more wrestling with each other rather then fist fighting. I guess one trying to walk away and the other not wanting them to.

People do stupid things when they are drinking!

Anonymous

THIS! these people are bullies and cowards…. so sad, most probably they are fighting their own demons :(

Why, hell I went clubbing with my mom she she was alot older than Adam. What’s the matter with clubbing?

I didn’t chime in on this because truthfully until or if Adam says anything we really don’t know much. I do think we can glean that he drank too much, he and Sauli had a loud altercation, they caused a damn hubbub, were arrested and wound up in the hoosegow. Anything more is what is added by imagination because we weren’t there. Could’a happened in Brooklyn, LA, or Helsinki, shit happens. Can’t say I am surprised, but it also doesn’t make me think that he’s disturbed, an alcoholic, or an abuser. He’s a normal red blooded, hot blooded, hot tempered American man. Bad timing, yep, will it hurt his career, probably not.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S3ZGXZCUE2YYOS7QV6QSTKM4SA buffynut2001

“Has anyone considered that the AMA incidents of simulated fellatio and other inappropriate behavior on stage, including falling down and giving the finger, was the result of drinking?”

***
Um, “No” because he had been sitting in the audience for 2 hours before his performance.

kingmikol

Yes homophobia is still very rampant in this country and the comments are sickening to say the least!

Anonymous

Have any other high placing Idols been in the news for drunken brawls ever? Just curious. I don’t remember ever seeing anything but I could have missed it.

“The Insider” just covered Adam’s “bar fight”. They opened by showing video of Adam arriving at Helsinki airport, then showed his tweet and a pic of him and Sauli (I think from the AMAs). Not really damaging. He acted sweet in the video at the airport. :)

Anonymous

I dunno. I’m still not convinced that this isn’t a PR stunt. And randomly his RCA website has been updated. I’m sure that whatever happens, this will not hurt Adam’s career.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

no just the low placing idols that I know of have had problems Frenchie got the boot for posing nude… I remember a couple more for check kiting and lying about past prison record. There was the other guy that got some grief about stripping at a gay bar.

Anonymous

Yes, I echo those sentiments. You reported it without sensationalizing it. Thus, we are not upset by snarky remarks from haters (unless you remove them, which is useful) but people who support your blog and Adam. While everyone has an opinion, I believe they express them freely on this blog. I have had problems in the past getting on and staying on. Recently I had to change my user name and server as my old one would not take. That said, your blog is one of my favorites and I get dismayed when I cannot get on…which may be due inn large part to my poor computer skills.

Anonymous

I can’t read comment sections online. Doesn’t matter what the article is, good or bad, and people just drag the conversation down into the mud. Seriously, comment sections are like every single tendency in humanity that pisses me off have just been collected in one spot.

gferna

If Adam was crying, he was drunk with capital D… I see Adam saying “Oh, you don’t love me, nobody loves me, I am a little piece of crap” LOOOOOL
That should have been the scene! HAHAHAHAHA…
I’ve been drunk several times, sometimes my friends have to drive my car… and I don’t remember a thing… HAHAHAHAHAHA
Let the guy live!!!

http://twitter.com/leoblueeyes debbie cronin

In reply to Roger, I have read a few ariticles and the rag mags have blown this way out of proportion! It was a verbal altercation. Did they both have too much to drink, yes! Who on this site has ever been to a club and had too much to drink and had a verbal altercation with anyone, especially when you were young! I am really sick to death of people judging this young man for just being human with human frailtys like the rest of us!

Anonymous

If you’re talking about TMZ, IMO it’s quite funny knowing who Harvey is

http://twitter.com/wanermania k w

Who else can generate over 400 comments on this site???

http://twitter.com/Sassycatz Sassycatz

Who else can generate over 400 comments on this site???

Everybody slows down to rubberneck in the aftermath of an accident, no matter who’s involved.

TurkeyIdol

Tru Dat!!!

dishwalla

I don’t think this will have any real impact on his career – it’s not going to help him. The focus seems to have shifted from his single to his drunken brawl. And I don’t think he’s an important enough of a name to hurt him. Granted, he probably thinks of himself on the same level as Lady Gaga, but Adam Lambert isn’t even on the same level as Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, Chris Daughtry, or Scotty McCreery when it comes to sales.

http://twitter.com/Loretta31 Loretta

The girlfriend herself said in a Finnish Article that she was accidential hit, not punched and she was unhurt.

No charges were filed.

If Adam knocked someone out, best believe there would be charges.

Why oh why do people escalate things.

TurkeyIdol

Well it may change, but currently in worldwide sales, Scotty has not sold as much as Adam, especially singles..Adam has 4.6million singles sold in US alone. :)

Anonymous

I think that it is little bit too early to use Scotty’s name in that equation.JMO.

Anonymous

I think that it is little bit too early to use Scotty’s name in that equation.JMO.

Anonymous

adamlambert:
Violence is not to be taken lightly. Embarrassed by drunkenness. No punches thrown, no injuries and no charges. Media always exaggerates.Follow-up tweeting occurring now.

Anonymous

adamlambert:
Violence is not to be taken lightly. Embarrassed by drunkenness. No punches thrown, no injuries and no charges. Media always exaggerates.Follow-up tweeting occurring now.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

More info from Adam:

“Violence is not to be taken lightly. Embarrassed by drunkenness. No punches thrown, no injuries and no charges. Media always exaggerates.”

I imagine that people won’t believe him, who are predisposed to think the worst of him.

Anonymous

” isn’t even on the same level as Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, Chris Daughtry, or Scotty McCreery when it comes to sales. ”

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn’t beloooong

Anonymous

I hope they will since it’s exactly as the police reported at the end and all other parties involved said.

Anonymous

lol yeah I have already see people saying why does he have to make excuses. Though not sure what excuses. The initial media DID exaggerate.

Anonymous

Granted, he probably thinks of himself on the same level as Lady Gaga

lol got any quotes to back that up

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

right? I see no excuses there, just clarification.

Anonymous

This TMZ video is hysterical. And more importantly, they are now making it not seem like a big deal:

Well it may change, but currently in worldwide sales, Scotty has not sold as much as Adam, especially singles..Adam has 4.6million singles sold in US alone. :)

I’m not totally shocked that someone who released an album two years ago, and who has released at least four singles in the US, and a remix album, has sold more singles than a person who is still on the first single from an album that was just released three months ago. Who knows how many singles and albums Scotty will have released in two years time, but at the pace that he’s on right now, things look very promising.

I was super worried and concerned at first, but now I’m realizing that all that matters is the music and that Adam is happy. :)

Anonymous

Adam seems to get himself in sticky situations. The ceiling punch at Gaga’s party, the fight with paps at the beach (with his friends mooning photographers), now getting into a drunken fight with his boyfriend and being detained.

Adam may be a decent guy, but he’s reaching a point where a lot of people are going to start lableling him for all the wrong reasons. Getting drunk at one party? It happens. Run-ins with the tabloids? Not cool, but can be explained. Getting into a vodka-infused tussle with his SO? I see a pattern developing.

We all act implusively from time to time. But Adam seems to do this often. And for every incident we know about, there may be several that haven’t been revealed to the public.

It’s not my place to judge. But I can’t help but think that Adam needs to work through SOMETHING–what that is, I don’t know. But he needs to get a better hold of it before whatever it is does severe damage to his career and his life in general.

Anonymous

How many studies have been done on how eye witness accounts are frequently inaccurate and unreliable???

Besides Adam is known to “talk” with his hands. Heck I’ve accidentally wacked someone while not drinking and talking with my hands. Heck my mom nearly hit a man in the groin while talking with her hands in the lobby of our church (she’s short and he was pretty tall, he walked up from behind her).

Totally agree Violence is not ok. I had a verbally abusive husband who shoved me on occasion. Just because I believe this was a drunken scuffle with loud words (with emphasis on drunken) and not a truly violent encounter doesn’t mean I think real violence is ok. If Adam was getting in to real fights or drunken scuffles every week or month then yea I’d say there was a problem.

Anonymous

Well once a year doesn’t seem to qualify as a frequent pattern to me. And the punch to the ceiling at Gaga’s party is such non-thing to me. Low ceiling and fist pump = accident.

Edited to make sense. LOL

Anonymous

I think history pretty much shows that most people don’t care about facts. They want the world to reinforce their own opinions of things, or to enjoy their sense of schadenfreude.

Anonymous

Saw this headline on MJ’s this morning (didn’t take time to comment), I knew it would blow-up with comments, but am still surprised at the number!

I did learn one interesting thing in reading back a few pages, Adam’s website has been re-vamped ! So I went to check it out and it looks much better than before so yay for that!

About the drunk-thing: it is a shame it happened. Hoping they both learn from it and move on.
This will neither hurt nor help his career; I doubt it will have much impact either way.

Now, can’t wait ’til 2012 and the push of BTIKM to radio and March for the album to drop :-)

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

Define often. Even if the three incidents you describe were anything alike, or indicative of anything dire, which I don’t see, the fact that they occurred over the course of 18 months does not indicate a frequency that could be described as anything other than sporadic.

kingmikol

All of the artists you named have been around much longer than Adam, so of course their sales are much bigger, except Scotty, who has not sold more, nor is he half as talented IMHO.

Anonymous

I just caught a few minutes of the local news and heard Havey Levin of TMZ say that this incident of a gay couple fighting is as serious as a hetero couple fighting. He called it domestic abuse. Usually, I’d say all publicity is good but in this case not so much.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

Typical Levin looking for attention. Never mind that what he’s saying has nothing to do with the events that actually occurred – he’s just looking to stir up the controversy and increase hits to his site and show through misdirection and bad mouthing. He’s as bad as that sleaze Perez

Anonymous

Levin is a creep but having him appear on TV and associate someone’s name with domestic abuse is not a good thing. This story will be forgotten but it wouldn’t hurt for the PR folk to get cracking. ;)

Harvey Levin from TMZ is a lawyer and is upset about Adam laughing this off – he has made statements in the news about it and on his twitter account, and about how his fans are giving him a free pass on this and they shouldn’t.

Anonymous

I think Adam did his own PR just fine with that last tweet. Adam takes care of things himself, he doesn’t hide behind a spokesperson. Even after the heat of AMAs, Adam faced it all alone. Nobody had to make a “statement” for him and he is quite capable of handling this situation. I have no doubt if it comes up in the promo cycle he will face it head on turn it to his advantage.

Anonymous

Yeah, where are the PR people? They seem to be leaving Adam to his own devices here.

Anonymous

Adam tweeted this a few minutes ago:

Violence is not to be taken lightly. Embarrassed by drunkenness. No punches thrown, no injuries and no charges. Media always exaggerates.

Guess I have my answer….no punches thrown. Done.

Anonymous

Well we’ll see if Harvey Levin lets it go. He seems to be stirring things up more by acting like he’s very upset about this. He may be a sleazy reporter of celebrity news, but he’s also a lawyer and gay. And him going on news shows badmouthing Adam is not good.

Anonymous

I really wish Adam would have tweeted that last statement before Harvey Levin got involved. Now it may look like he’s just doing that because Harvey is badmouthing him.

Anonymous

It’s not always the wise thing to do. He pays professionals to handle these things and they should do it. They haven’t made a statement on his behalf but I bet he didn’t tweet without consulting them.

Anonymous

It doesn’t seem as if Harvey Levin has the full story either. I didn’t see that segment but he is calling it domestic abuse? Sounds like he is just sensationalizing like all this type of media. The Finnish police said it was a minor incident and Adam himself said no punches were thrown, don’t think he’d lie about it, he’s not a liar and plenty of people there, so Harry sounds kind of ridiculous taking this situation there.

http://twitter.com/aislinntlc aislinn

If Adam had in fact assaulted Sauli (or vice versa), he’d have a point, but they didn’t, so his being upset is more than a little disengenuous.

Anonymous

But that tweet wasn’t much more illuminating that what he said earlier in the day. It was just clearer. I pretty much inferred after the earlier tweet that this was a non-story. I am sure Levin didn’t know any more than I did, and many will see through the sensationalism, I mean his record speaks for itself.

http://twitter.com/leoblueeyes debbie cronin

He is on the same level as the rest of them! Made just as much money last year as Daughtry! Those 3 have been around longer than Lambert! As far as Scotty, he is country like Carrie. He does not have the vocals like Adam, as matter of fact none of them do! In a couple of years, Adam will be so far ahead of those mentioned!

Anonymous

Hope so, but I would feel better if Harvey Levin would now say something about it not being domestic abuse instead of letting his twitter followers and news viewers think that it was. He made statements earlier today making it sound like there was domestic abuse, but he hasn’t retracted any of his statements.

amaryl

Scotty’s sales has been impressive but why even bring him up here? Wait till a few years then we’ll talk. /facepalm

Anonymous

I don’t think Adam’s PR people need to say anything, because Adam is capable of doing it himself. You look more guilty when you bring out the spokesman to speak for you. He didn’t hide behind them when the AMA hoopla happened, why should he now. Whether he’s dealing with Perez or Levin, Adam can hold his own. He certainly can snark with the best of them. Adam understands the power of twitter, what better way to explain his side, then through the use of that tool. Plus, the press can quote him from it and have a response from him without actually interviewing him.

bmms

I love Adam and always will but I’m very disappointed in him. And I completely agree with MJ on how dumb people get when completely wasted. I call it as I see it.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BHCD4X7GHJ23SMJ2M2RCQUSNUM Pat

The boy had major jet lag combined with vodka

Anonymous

Where did you see Levin said on twitter that Adam fans give him a free pass. Someone’s actually made a screencap of Levin’s tweet and he said nothing about Adam fans. He said he put a pole up on his TMZ site and said almost half of people cut gay people a break when it comes to domestic violence.
I’m not so sure that “half of people” can be translated to “Adam fans”. I can tell you right now that most of Adam fans I know, don’t like going to TMZ, or PH website.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BHCD4X7GHJ23SMJ2M2RCQUSNUM Pat

Then I guess its a good thing he didn’t use his fists.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

We have all seen the TMZ video it is funny. They did not paint Adam as anything. They stated the facts unlike others I have read recently.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

Watch TMZ clip on YouTube it is funny. TMZ and Harvey are a non-issue firstly but secondly they made a big joke out of it. They poked fun at the people of Finland degraded Sauli and gave Adam and Sauli big props at the same time. If this is Harvey on some big gay furor then I missed the furor. Next drama please.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

who cares about Harvey Levin’s twitter followers. Have you read the hateful comments on TMZ. Trust me they are not buying anything Adam is selling. Frankly, I am glad they are not part of the Glamily because they are a vile group.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I LOVE Adam and his music and wish him and Sauli the best!

Anonymous

mmm, well was going to try and keep quiet, but difficult. My biggest feeling about all this is sadness that so many on here are so quick to judge Adam without having all the facts (especially when all the original facts were delivered by Perez Hilton, that oh so straight up person of tabloid news…), that he is now an alocoholic/abuser/volatile etc, and that he was the main instigator. No where that I’ve read has stated that Adam ‘started it’, but according to many on here its obvious that he did. It sounds just like a drunken lovers row. And yes, they do still happen sometimes, even to people over 29!!! personally I don’t drink but I have many friends that do, and I’m just glad that so many here weren’t around to judge them with some of the things they’ve been upto when drunk.

hopefully they are both talking it through since then and making up.

As to Ebers tweets – maybe they are lighthearted because he has the facts from those involved rather than reacting just on the news and blogs.

amaryl

..Anyway. Is Adam that tall or is Sauli that short?

Anonymous

As far as I know: Adam is 6’1 , Sauli is about 5’8. Now Adam can easily add 6 inches between his hair and his shoes.

http://twitter.com/Loretta31 Loretta

If Adam ever beat Sauli to a pulp like Chris Brown did Rhianna, or gets arrested for Cocaine like Bruno Mars or bites the head off of a pigeon like Ozzie, or is so drunk he can’t perform like Axel, or Tyler, I will be concerned.

Sauli’s friend said no punches were thrown, no one kicked, etc. The media is making stuff up as they go.

Anonymous

illuxxia illuxxia
police: all and every investigation now officially closed, whole thing blown
out of proportion
1 hour ago

Anonymous

Honestly they probably were just shouting at each other and there was probably some shoving and aggressiveness in general and the police took them in to firstly make sure they dont harm themselves or each other considering their state and then ascertain that there was no abuse. Which there wasn’t because otherwise they wouldn’t have been released without any charges.

A day later, I’m just glad it ended up the way it did. For an hour, early yesterday morning I was really scared. They really need to figure out some shit between them though. People who love each other like they supposedly do should not act like that, alcohol or not. And I’m sure they know it.

I love Adam and I love what Sauli has done to him as a person and I love them together.

musicality

My first comment on this. Way too many comments to read through but I’ll gather it’s the usual.

Based on the police themselves (the only ones I’ll believe) no punches were thrown, no marks, no injuries, no charges, a few hours in the drunk tank. Sounded like a drunken, emotional, overheated argument fueled by a combination of stress (meeting the in-laws) jet-lag, an all-nighter and way too much hard alcohol. Not a good combo.

Not sure what the argument was about and who was the aggressor or if they both were. The fact that Adam’s BF’s friends are sticking up for Adam leads me to conclude that the police were correct and yes there was no physical violence or that the BF was the aggressor. If my friend was abused by someone I’d never stand up for their abuser.

Based on what I remember of the Rolling Stone article that was posted here a couple years back, pics that are posted here from events and his pre-idol days in underground night-clubs he is a big-time party boy. A relationship can usually slow down or stop the persons partying but if his BF is a partier too that can spell trouble.

Based on the videos I’ve seen of his performances and all accounts from people in the industry he is always professional. I think word would have leaked out by now if he was otherwise.

Anonymous

I agree with your comments DaisyMagnolia. I think there is a pattern developing. The other issue for me is that Adam is now 30 years old and is not 18 anymore. He did get publicity from it and maybe that is what he wants but I would not call it good PR by any means.

Anonymous

No excuse. He should know by now that these two things don’t work well together. He has travelled plenty and no doubt has been jetlagged before. I’ve seen so many excuses for him in the past 24 hours. Bottom line, he didn’t have to go out and drink so much when he was so tired. I trust he knows that now and thinks things through with a clear head. Hopefully we never see this kind of thing again.

kingmikol

The media will continue to blow this out of porportion as long as there is interest.
When interest drops this will fade away.

http://twitter.com/Quu3 Q3

So in the course of 3 years of intense media coverage and pressure —

Adam has….

1. Initial Headline – Adam assaults photographer in South Beach.

Thankfully there was video — and no assault. The video shows Adam tried to stop a paparazzi from taking more pictures of Adam and his friends on a beach AFTER they had allowed it for almost 30 minutes. We have video of the incident which was Adam trying to grab the guys camera. None of the claimed punches occurred. No charges filed.

What really happened: He was drunk at Gaga’s party which he attended with Scissor Sisters (Gaga’s opening act) — and hit the ceiling (La Cita has a really low ceiling) with his fist while dancing. He did not “crash” the party. He was not thrown out.

3. Initial Headline – Adam Arrested for Assaulting Boyfriend, and later in the day TMZ elevates it to Domestic Violence.

What appeared to have happened: Adam had a fight with his boyfriend in a bar in Helinski. Some people who were with them tried to break it up. Adam and Sauli were asked to take the fight outside. No charges were filed. Here is the latest report from MTV3 (the #2 TV network in Finland, not associated with MTV …. translated from Finnish:

“The leader of investigations, Petri Juvonen told on
Friday to MTV3.fi Entertainment News that also the investigation
regarding the minor batteries of Niko Nousiainen and Sofia Ruusila has
been stopped.

The media would not blow it out of proportion if it had not happened. We can’t put blame here on anyone or anything other than Sauli and Adam. It happened because they were out of control. Blame jet lag…they have flown before. Blame drinking…they are in control of their drinking. Blame the media..if it hadn’t happened the media wouldn’t have had a chance to embellish.

Soo, now we just excuse the media for bad behavior? Everyone admits they should not have drank so much, even those involved. But distorting facts merely to gain hits is hardly moral behavior, and is only the fault of those doing it.

MJ present the story with just the facts as they were known. That is responsible. Adding embellishments is not responsible, regardless of whether or not the subjects did something wrong.

Anonymous

For someone in Adam’s position, three times where the public and media are aware is three times too many.

If Adam and his fans think everything is fine, then fine. But some will have doubts.

Anonymous

No one could make up stuff if the initial situation hadn’t happened.

No one is putting Adam in the category of Chris Brown. But IMO, there could be reason for concern. Or at least keep an eye open for any possible issues.

luvadamlambert

Ok look,as much as I love bb to death and think this whole thing is stupid he has to claim *some* responsibility for this incident-when it comes down to it he IS responsible for his drinking,celebrity or not

I’m just glad/hope it’s over.everyone makes mistakes,time to move on.

Anonymous

It is no surprise to me that the media embellished what actually happened. They almost always do, and I do think they have a moral responsibility to get the facts and report correctly, but we know and Adam knows that they don’t do due diligence in order to get it right. None of us were there, so we probably won’t ever know what actually happened. You can blame them for not getting the story correct, but had it not happened there would be no story to embellish. I just don’t understand why anyone would be surprised that this story has grown. Celebrities should know whatever they do is going to get out and not necessarily how it happened. It sounds like it was not a short, quick situation. It started inside and they went outside or were asked to leave. It continued on the street. Someone in that group should have had sense enough to stop it before the police got involved.

http://twitter.com/ms0712 M S

He did claim *some* responsibility for this incident —

per his tweet “jail+guilt+press=lesson learned.”

sagi

All I am going to add to this is that people are going to have their opinions, whether to support, care less, distract, hate, love, of concern…etc. But one fact that appears clear to me is Adam is of celebrity status and famous enough to command the attention! :) I doubt anyone’s opinions are going to change those of others, and after it all blows over, Adam will be fine and the show will go on.

fuzzywuzzy

Adam has claimed responsibility for what happened.

Anonymous

http://bit.ly/vzF8trThe article is in Finnish, but here’s a partial translation: Adam Lambert and Sauli Koskinen, who gained worldwide attention with their fight, have been the top news in the entertainment world on Thursday. The lover’s quarrel exceeded the news threshold all over the world, but it ended up being just a tempest in a teapot.On Thursday, there was also buzz about Adam and Sauli attacking Sofia Ruusila and Niko Nousiainen, who tried to intercede in the fight, but it turned out to be just a case of a molehill turned into a mountain.Already on Thursday, Niko told MTV3.fi Entertainment news that the whole thing had been over exaggerated, and that he and Sofia had no claims towards Sauli and Adam. They had to go in for the interrogations on Thursday afternoon, since this is requested by the law.The leader of investigations, Petri Juvonen told on Friday to MTV3.fi Entertainment News that also the investigation regarding the minor batteries of Niko Nousiainen and Sofia Ruusila has been stopped.-They have no claims for penalties, since there were no signs of battery. This is why the preliminary investigation was stopped also on their part. This was such a minor offence that there was no sense in continuing the investigation, Juvonen tells.

Anonymous

This was such a minor crime that there was no sense in continuing the investigation, Juvonen tells.

This is the part that is going to be ignored (except by very few responsible journalists). Despite the fact that it was stupidity at it’s fullest to get drunk to the point of public spectacle, nothing serious actually happened other than drunken obnoxiousness. No real physical fighting, no abuse, no battery to a third party… none of that. Their minor crime didn’t even get them a fine.

The were thrown in drunk tanks for the night, no even actually arrested per the last report, and then released when sober. Anti-climatic to anyone who actually cares to follow the story to the end. While I disapprove of drinking to the point of public spectacle, I feel bad that judgment was passed before all the facts were known.

Anonymous

Nothing to feel bad about, it is not going to hurt Adam one bit and it looks like they both learned a lesson. The most judgemental critics probably didn’t care for Adam to begin with and no one really listens to their over the top spewings except others of like mind. Most of media were actually very kind and he even got a few mentions on his new single and album. So I think it’s OK.

Anonymous

But does Adam really need any excuse’s.He is a 30 year old man and as far as I know his boyfriend is of age also,so as far as I’m concerned he can go party and drink all he want’s.Just because he is in the public eye,doesn’t mean he has to stop doing the thing’s he did before.I would hate having someone tell me I could’nt drink or party because someone might find out.He did’nt do anything wrong.Hell, most of the people I know have done this or more on those kind of night’s,including myself.arguement’s happen,people get over them,life goes on.

holeighannie

Keepin’ it classy, eh?

Anonymous

I don’t so much feel bad for Adam, I know this won’t effect him in the long run of thing, but it’s disappointing that our society is so focused on the negative. We love to break down our celebrities, and anything they do wrong, it’s focused on so much more intensely than what they do right. Then, if it turns out those initial suppositions were inaccurate, it’ll be left wayside since the bad parts are so much more sensationalized.

I wish accomplishments and good deeds got as much attention as missteps or mistakes.

Anonymous

The media always blows things up. But if there were nothing to report about this situation, there would be nothing to blow up. It happened. Adam has a history of doing some stupid sh**. I won’t give him a total pass. But IMHO he has put himself into the category of – this guy really might have issues. If anything stupid like this happens again – there will be no doubt in my mind. I don’t think this will hurt his career but it won’t help it. Another incident and he could be heading into the “hurting his career” territory. People may defend it, but in my opinion t was stupid.

The paps thing I gave him a pass on because they are such jerks. The Gaga thing was stupid but I thought, well, he’s in love and having fun but acting stupid. The AMA I thought, well, he’s under a lot of pressure and it was too much too soon and he didn’t present himself in the best light considering it was his first TV appearance after Idol. I’ve seen his twitter tiffs with other celebs and … oh well, although I don’t think it’s smart to diss Bill Kaulitz and get all pissy with GQ because they don’t like the way you dress. To me it just makes him look like he has a temper. Perez is another matter because Perez is, well Perez. I don’t blame anyone for dissing Perez. But IMHO it’s time for Adam to learn how to shut up and stop acting stupid in public. He is a big celeb. He needs to get it together. When he acts stupid in public, which he did in Finland, it will get reported. He chose this career path. The media consequences of his behavior should not be any surprise to him at this point.

Anonymous

You just said yourself media blows shit up and then you say he has a history of doing stupid shit when all you have to do is read the updates on all the things he’s supposed to have done to see they were all blown up by the media to make it more headline worthy.it starts with one true fact and the media takes it from there,but the real story is there if you rally want to find it..

http://twitter.com/HaleysShindig ShreddingHalien

The most depressing thing about this story is the vitrol hate spewed on comments sections (outside of here because MJ is the best moderator ever). I see a lot still needs to be done as far as tolerance goes in this country. I was repulsed by it, tbh.

Anonymous

Lol when did Adam diss Bill? The only time I have seen him talk about him on twitter was when Tokyo Hotel fans were accusing Adam of copying his look. All Adam said was they had similar taste in fashion. And the GQ thing he laughed because they said he was a vampire and said he doesn’t wear no boring Chino’s. So I am not sure what you are considering a twitter tiff. He have never had an argument with other celebs on twitter.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I agree that people are going to have their opinions and doubt that people will change their mind one way or the other. People that hate Adam will say bad things about him and people that love Adam will say good things about him. I remember after he sang Satisfaction on Idol he told Simon I think that is what music is you either love it or you hate it. I think true art and music may be that, in my opinion. I LOVE it! Drink don’t drink. Kiss a boy don’t kiss a boy. It is all good. Just sing and keep me entertained and I will LOVE you for it!

Anonymous

People may defend it, but in my opinion t was stupid. The media always blows things up. But if there were nothing to report about this situation, there would be nothing to blow up. It happened.

It was stupid, but the reason people defend it is b/c people are still commenting on the initial reports rather than any updates. The most discussed feature of that story, the supposed violence, did not, as you say, “happen” yet judgments were passed early.

Adam has a history of doing some stupid sh**. I won’t give him a total pass. But IMHO he has put himself into the category of – this guy really might have issues.

I still don’t understand how much of a history he has of this. 3 incidents in his entire time in the public eye? That’s not much of a pattern. That’s sporadic at best. The Gaga thing was a non-issue since it was determined (and stated several times here) that it did not happen. Another instance of people judging based on initial stories with no allowances for the updated truths.

Personally, I think it’s inappropriate to try to diagnosis someone or try to get a grasp of any perceived issues via the internet. That is a dangerous path, imo, that I try to avoid at all costs.

http://twitter.com/OneTwoDoseyDoe Roger Kramjet

I agree EmyR! I wish we could all focus on the positive things in life more. I love being a member of the Glamily because other than a time or two we tend to spread love and support to our members and Adam.

Anonymous

I totally agree with you about that. The horrid hate remarks that have nothing to do with the incident and focus on sexuality are beyond disgusting. If you don’t think he made a smart move – fine. But the vitriol beyond that and the subject of that vitriol sickens me. I may think he has done some dumb stuff, but I would never say anything disparaging about that. He gets nothing but kudos from me as far as that goes. People show their dark side on the internet. And that kind of hate is totally unacceptable.

Anonymous

You’re very right, Adam never dissed Bill. How could he when all he wanted to do was shop with him? Lol. And the single tweet to GQ was funny, and he didn’t even respond to the homophobic tweet more recently.

Adam’s only twitter conversations with other celebs entail him complimenting other singers (like Bruno, Rihanna, or Demi Lovato) and getting thanks in return. It’s very sweet, I’m not sure how that can be twisted into disputes. I think there are a few designers and actor here and there, but again, nothing but nice things.

Avari

LOL! I think Adam is the first to admit there ain’t nothing classy about being drunk and stupid in public. In his latest tweet he sounds properly ashamed of himself. As he should be!

When Adam screws up, he seems to do it in grand style, with the media watching. :-) I would so hate to be famous.

starhart

Wow, I don’t get that there is any blame at all. Life happens. Maybe I have not had the life of many others, but I absolutely am the last to point a finger and declare, “You are at fault”!!
I also am the last to make any excuses for overdrinking. Yet…those of you who never have,I am impressed! For the rest of us, I am thinking we get it.
I am beyond grateful no cell phones/pics had been invented in my 20s. It would have been disastrous for my professional life today.

Anonymous

Hateful comments are nothing new on articles about Adam, but it is depressing. I would have thought it would be getting less. Right after idol was over, I was watching you tubes of Adam, and somebody actually stated they wanted to shoot him off the stage. I told the person what I thought of their comment and flagged it, and the next thing I know I get a nasty email from this person.

Anonymous

The only people even entitled to give Adam a “pass” or not is whoever was directly affected by this incident, IMO, like DTM and Sauli’s friends. Adam doesn’t owe anything to anyone else.

Anonymous

I agree, though I do like that he addressed it twice, and especially like the second tweet. None of the people involved saw it as a major thing, and now it’s been determined by authorities that they were correct. I think that says it all.

Btw, Adam and his boyfriend returned to DTM last night and there was no issue of them being there. Seems everyone is fine.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P46N6P5XPK22JVXDJJEENXGLVE marie

Wow, I thought this was all over since there will be no charges, there were no assault as previously reported. Time to move on. No punches+no injury+no charges=Happy Holidays to all.

Anonymous

Results of incident appear to be a wash – fallout both good and bad can be concluded. Doubt anything like this will occur again – lesson learned – for sure. Fading already.

Anonymous

‘I still don’t understand how much of a history he has of this. 3 incidents in his entire time in the public eye? That’s not much of a pattern. That’s sporadic at best. The Gaga thing was a non-issue since it was determined (and stated several times here) that it did not happen. Another instance of people judging based on initial stories with no allowances for the updated truths. ‘

3 incidents that the public is aware of. Do we know if there are others? No we don’t, but I think we need to be specific here.

‘Btw, Adam and his boyfriend returned to DTM last night and there was no issue of them being there. Seems everyone is fine. ‘

At least nobody got thrown in the drunk tank. I hope they went back only to apologize for the chaos they caused the night before. I guess I have to ask Adam what is wrong with staying at home and socializing with the in-laws since they will be there for such a short time.

Anonymous

Adam has always been revolting to me.

Anonymous

For the record they went to the place early and left early. The club doubles as a cafe early in the day/evening. They probably went to apologize. And they were seen to be kissing and very close so it seems like they’re good.

I’m sure he can decide for his own life.

Anonymous

I hope they went back only to apologize for the chaos they caused the night before. I guess I have to ask Adam what is wrong with staying at home and socializing with the in-laws since they will be there for such a short time.

It’s so odd, fans had recently been complaining about how much of a home-body Adam had been. He’d spent most of his time at friends’ homes or watching television like True Blood. I guess he cannot please everyone (understatement).

3 incidents that the public is aware of. Do we know if there are others? No we don’t, but I think we need to be specific here.

I wasn’t aware suppositions were evidence for anything. If they are not known, they cannot be used for character history. In any case, one of the incidents I was mentioning was a non-issue anyway since the “troubling” aspect did not happen(being thrown out of Lady Gaga’s party), and the second didn’t involve alcohol (the pap incident).

Just thought I’d be specific.

Moria Polonius

…

That sounds like he got somebody pregnant.

Now, that would be sobering.

Nele621

I read that Adam punched the pap on the beach and he was arrested for that. I haven’t seen any evidence that didn’t happen. Also, it was reported that he was thrown out of Gaga’s party. I haven’t seen evidence of that not happening either.

Anonymous

Definitely. Talk about twitter exploding – lol.

Anonymous

I like your post clearone1. Well maybe while in LA, Sauli has always stayed at home now that he’s back in his country he missed his friends and certain places that he usually visits, stuffs that he sacrifices so he can be with Adam; plus they probably don’t want sicializing with the in-laws yet, not until tonight the Christmas dinner or something LOL

Anonymous

It’s scary how there is absolutely no privacy any more. No wonder they stay home in LA.

As for his own life, he didn’t do such a good job of it the other night did he?

Anonymous

A bit of an over generalization don’t you think? Someone makes a mistake and suddenly they are completely incapable of making good decisions? Talking about holding people up to impossible standards.

Anonymous

lol – I wouldn’t mind doing a few makeovers. But being Catholic, I chalk it all up to original sin. It’s a struggle, baby.

Anonymous

No, he didn’t. But the good nights far outweigh the bad ones, doncha think?

Anonymous

I won’t comment about Bill, but the GQ? Adam doesn’t care if people doesn’t like his fashion styles. He said he likes to wear 8lbs of make up, and he doesn’t care if people like it or not. He is who he is. If he care what people said about his fashion style he would said something everytime the Fashion Police said something about his fashion styles. Just FYI, the last time GQ critized Adam they had actually went to far and crossed the line to homophobic remarks and GLAAD ordered them to apoligize and the GQ magazine did apologize.

You are right. He didn’t do such a good job, but if he learns a lesson from it then I certainly am not perfect enough to declare over and over what a mess he is.

Anonymous

Why should Adam have to explain himself to you or anyone else here? He did absolutely nothing to you personally. He didn’t even need to tweet what he did or give a reason for his actions. He owes his fans or non fans nothing regarding this incident, IMO, but he realized fans were worried and clarified.

Anonymous

There have been many times they go out in LA and there are plenty of pictures around to prove it. I am also sure they have gone out many times with no one the wiser. We don’t know and it is not our business. I wish they went out more where they will photographed for selfish, wanna see pretty pictures reasons, but LA is a big town, lol.
As far as whether he is doing a good job with his life or not it really is not for us to say really. He seems to be doing pretty darn well to me, a couple of mistakes does not a messy life make especially when put up against Adam’s accomplishments the last couple of years. If someone this productive is considered a mess then I am hopeless, lol.

Anonymous

Like this – thanks.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Zoon-Key/100003166043895 Zoon Key

Why is it that the fuss?America, you have a lot of gun crime and drug problemsBruno Mars has taken a Grammy Award. That’s more incredible for me.