A few more Epcot BGM questions...

How long does the Living Seas exterior loop run? I have a version running roughly 53 minutes while the loop listing has it as 33 minutes. Just curious about that...

Second question - was there ever an exterior loop for World of Motion? Or was it the same as the loading area, or was it just non-existant? I have the loading area (or as I call it - how many different ways can we play "It's Fun to Be Free") and was looking for the exterior loop if it was available.

And lastly - I have a song title "Communicore lobby BGM" - did this piece play all over Communicore, or a specific part - or worse yet - do I have another fake on my hands?

Sorry for the continual questions - but I really appreciate the wonderful help!

Thanks!
Jessica

Jessica L
Figment fan

"If we can dream it, we can do it. And that's the most exciting part."

Jessica, I can answer the question about the "Communicore Lobby BGM" track. It's fake...

It's actually a track from Disneyland's CircleVision lobby loop. It's just been mislabled so somebody could pass it off as a good trade.

I'm not positive about your other questions though. Although I thought I heard somwhere that those 9 Living Seas tracks floating around are the exterior loop, but I don't know how long the total loop is. As for World of Motion, I think it did have an exterior loop, but I'm not 100% sure on that. I also have that loop track you mentioned and I had thought it was the exterior loop.

I also have the 53 minute Living Seas loop... and a file labeled World of Motion exterior loop that runs 15:38.. it is not the same as the World of Motion queue which runs 16:01 and has many more vocals. Perhaps someone else can shed further light on these files.

Supposedly there was a loop that ran in the Communicore that was composed of all the different Future World themes (including the early version of the Horizons song). I have had no luck locating or even verifying it's existence. Can anyone help with this?

What is the length of the Communicore Loop that you have Jessica? Funny that someone would bother passing off real CircleVision music off as fake Epcot music.

The CommuniCore song I have runs 3:45. The loop that you mentioned X-S Tech sounds really interesting. I have never been to Disneyland, nor do I remember CommuniCore, so I'm at a total loss for this one.

The only Living Seas music I've been able to find is the 9-track 53 minute version, so I'm going to accept that as the exterior loop. Thank you everyone for verification on this one!

And as far as the World of Motion loop goes - I've seen the 15:38 loop but haven't downloaded it yet. I think I will though to hear the two and their differences. Maybe someone will be able to add some more info to this mystery.

Thank you so much for your info so far - it's been a big help!
Jessica

Jessica L
Figment fan

"If we can dream it, we can do it. And that's the most exciting part."

Yes! there was an exterior track for THE WORLD OF MOTION............it also is comprissed of variations of "Fun to Be Free".what else?? .........these arrangements are very showtune-orchestreal.......and oddly breaks into a Disney medly........before going back th the attraction's there song. It also uses a creshendow vocal.......with a big chorus...but the words are not sung..but rtaher doo doo do do, dee, dee ,dee dee, dum.etc.etc.

the Comunicore music that used Future World themes is actually music done for and played at EARTH STATION.............as the large screnns would feature various show building in tyming with the music..and it DOES feature the early "New Horizons" Horizons tune.
it also , after a EPCOT fanefare goes into a World Showcase medly.as pavilions from those nations are depicted on the screens abouve the information stations.....

And i have to Agree with Bill...the Circle-Vision music was put to use at Disneyland in 1983.when AMERICAN JOURNEYS began to play...one year after EPCOT's opening, this extit lobby track could have very well once played in aor about Comunnicore..........What one guest would recognize in Florida as Mile Long Bar music, to someone at Disneyland it was Bear Country entrance music! LOL.
And a Florida guest might be very surprised to hear original WEDWAY music playing at Disneyland's Autopia grandstand!!

Re: The Living Seas BGM
- The nine tracks that float around separately were hived up for sale on the WDW Forever system. While they were included on the kiosks' hard drives, they (like so much more Epcot material) were never offered for sale to the public. There is a less-widely-distributed 53:13 recording of the entire BGM loop available, in true stereo. The nine individual recordings, you'll find, neither add up to the correct length or are actually stereophonic.

Re: World of Motion Area BGM
- as someone said already, the exterior BGM for the attraction is commonly available and runs 15:38. If you have my flow-through, you can hear a small portion of this audio, heavily echoed and overlaid with live ambience, used during the short post-load section of the ride when you briefly rode outside.

Re: the Communicore BGM
- it is, indeed, CircleVision music from Disneyland that someone in the trading community decided to press into service as a trading pawn. Wishful thinking may indeed be able to place the music at Epcot Center back in 1983, but there is no proof of this whatsoever and it is far more likely that its labeling as such was simply someone's bright idea to get an extra trade out of some poor unsuspecting schmuck.

The Interior WOM BGM begins with a horse 'clip-clop' sound and had some of its sections available on the WDW Forever kiosks.

The exterior WOM BGM was never available in any format, the version that circulates was recorded by me using a telephone pickup just before the attraction closed. It's mono and (unfortunately) not a master recording despite the quality. This was the case for quite some time, but I've found one other recording of it that is similar quality. Due to the fact that I audio processed my version, I can tell that the music is identical but it is a different recording. Unfortunately, the quality is equivalent so I assume it's another telephone pickup, or someone who reprocessed my recording.

I use this site as a starting point for WDW loops. It's not always 100% accurate (one glaring example is the Muppet Vision Queue) but it's a nice place to go if you want to compare loop to list or maybe identify a missing song.

Jessica

Jessica L
Figment fan

"If we can dream it, we can do it. And that's the most exciting part."

Actually, there are more glaring errors, omissions and chunks of outdated information on that page than one could possibly shake a stick at; no offense there, Jessica... but one would do better to use the search function here in the magicmusic.net forum than to rely on that information...

No offense at all Steve! Yeah, the more and more I look at that site, the more errors I find... I stick mostly to the archives here anyway - just wanted to offer that site as another small reference. But you can't beat the resources available here!

Jessica

Jessica L
Figment fan

"If we can dream it, we can do it. And that's the most exciting part."

Since we're still talking Epcot loops -- I have a question... one of the loops I have is called "Imagination area music (1999)" and runs 18:03. It starts with a version of "One Little Spark," and is then followed by extended excerpts from the film score Honey, I Blew Up the Kid... after that, starting at 14:53 and running to the end, is an orchestral selection that I have never been able to identify. It sounds like it could be film music, but I suppose it could also be something composed specifically for the loop. Could it be the Imageworks theme? If anybody has information on this selection, I would be really grateful.

That loop should be called "Journey Into Your Imagination Area BGM". If your copy substitutes nice clean stereo copies of the "Honey I Blew Up The Kid" score, then you have a hybrid recording that I did some work on. All I can tell you about this thing is that portions were recorded on site using a microphone close to one of the exterior speakers. The loop itself begins with score material from the now-defunct JIYI version of the attraction, segues into music from the Honey I Blew Up The Kid soundtrack CD and then -- you're quite right -- moves on into a selection that I couldn't make a positive ID on either. I'm not 100% certain, but I believe that this loop may have been switched out for something new recently.