There were a few that I really liked, some that were pretty good, 50% meh, and some that were pretty bad IMO.. The ones that I really liked were impressive. The texture of the skin, tone, firmness, softness, all of it was far more superior than what I've personally ever seen.

Like Sep said I wonder how one would actually render images of that quality to a video. I'd imagine it would be very time consuming and expensive to make? Nevertheless, I'm not opposed to it as an alternative.

I don't think I'd be the type of person to enjoy CGI. Simply knowing it's fake would ruin it for me. I guess that makes me a voyeur or something?!? J/k I'm not a voyeur, but I imagine there would be some men like me who wouldn't enjoy CGI. I'd also imagine their would be some pedophiles that wouldn't enjoy it. I can't be the only person in the world who is immediately turned off by the thought of it not being real.

Any ways, long windedness aside I think it would be a safe alternative to child porn. I really don't see why it should be illegal. For arguments sake it's really just art. Art depicting a crime should not be a crime. Not everyone's art is for the majority to enjoy. Many people don't like Jonathan Hobin's "exploitation of children[1]" . He uses real children in his In The Playroom photo shoots. They are depicting real crimes. They are also legal.

Faith doesn't like self-examination. And responds with smites rather than honest responses. I am not trolling. I am trying to get you to take responsibility for the tantrum you threw at Joe. If he's wrong, then tell him what's wrong and why. Don't troll him.

OAA, I agree with Azdgari on this one.

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Thank you for considering my point of view; however wrong it may be to you.

Some of those are very close to life like! I had no idea the technology was that advanced. +1 for the link.

Most of those are rendered and then edited in PhotoShop. It takes hours to create a single image. This is not the type of quality you should expect from full motion animated films anytime in the immediate future, but in a few years we'll be close to this.

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"Do you see a problem with insisting that the normal ways in which you determine fact from fiction is something you have to turn off in order to maintain the belief in God?" - JeffPT

We're wasting our time arguing this issue with you, because even if we won, you'd fall back on your 'thought-crime' justification. And we've already explained why that's a fail.

I didn't bring it up, don't blame me for wasting your time. And who are you referring to when you say "we've already explained why that's a fail"? Some people agreed with me, some people agreed with you, and I don't think your argument was very convincing. The fact that CGI porn is illegal on the other hand proves beyond any doubt that it is thought crime. There is no child involved anywhere in it's production, yet the punishment is the same.

The purpose of my post was not to try to change his mind about anything except his usual "you're lying!" or "you know exactly what I meant!" accusations that lack any evidence, as well as his usual overreaction and assumption of conspiracy when someone disagrees with him. In short, it was to try to make him grow up.

Not sure how that applied at all to the quote you responded to. Also, my accusations never lack evidence.

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"Do you see a problem with insisting that the normal ways in which you determine fact from fiction is something you have to turn off in order to maintain the belief in God?" - JeffPT

OOA has clarified over PM that he has enough evidence, based on his past record of catching his mistakes, to reasonably dismiss the idea that he is making a mistake and not realizing it in any given situation. Dunning-Kruger at its finest.

That is good to know. Thanks for sharing it.

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"Do you see a problem with insisting that the normal ways in which you determine fact from fiction is something you have to turn off in order to maintain the belief in God?" - JeffPT

I am well aware of nearly every mistake I've ever made, and I am perfectly capable of recognizing them. However, his generalization of My generation included Myself, since I'm part of My generation. I was also raised during My generation, so I know he's wrong about what he said.

I am not wrong. It's an undeniable fact that today's generation is exposed to more animation than previous generations. Most special effects and stunts in films today are CGI. What used to be hand-drawn has been replaced with cell-shaded renderings, what used to be claymation has been replaced by full 3D animation. And not only on movies and TV, but consider the games we play. When I was young, there were no 3D games. I remember when Wolfenstein was blowing everyone's minds with it's next-generation graphics. Today we're surrounded by games that are fully 3D rendered complete with motion tracking based on real live actors.

I said that your generation has been raised on animation. Whether or not you yourself were is irrelevent, an exception doesn't disprove a generalization. You are engaging in what I like to call the WWGHA fallacy. This is the fallacy of responding to a general rule with a rare exception and claiming that the rule is invalid. Similar in spirit to the reducto ad absurdem. I call it the WWGHA fallacy because some people around here do it all the time, more than any other forum I participate in.

If I stated that dogs have four legs, but your dog doesn't have four legs because it lost one in an accident, would that make me wrong? There are possibly thousands of dogs around the world missing limbs for various reasons. Does that make me wrong? Or is it understood by any intelligent person that those are exceptions to the general rule that dogs have four legs?

Besides, I had already guessed that he would've tried to use anything to exclude people's experiences that would prove him wrong, as he always does. If you want to point the finger at someone who can't admit when he's wrong, I recommend joebbowers.

You think your experience proves me wrong? Do I have to point out that you haven't actually said anything about yourself to contradict my theory? You sarcastically implied that I don't know anything about you, but you still haven't explained how your personal experience proves me wrong. Even if you hadn't been raised on animation, at best you'd be an exception. You wouldn't be proving me wrong.

However, you already stated that most of your porn collection is animation. Even if you suddenly acquired all of your porn yesterday, as opposed to building your collection over time, you'd still be far ahead of where I was at your age. When I was 19, I had very little animated porn. My dad's generation and every generation before that had none. Everything about what you've said only supports my argument.

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"Do you see a problem with insisting that the normal ways in which you determine fact from fiction is something you have to turn off in order to maintain the belief in God?" - JeffPT

Some of those are very close to life like! I had no idea the technology was that advanced. +1 for the link.

Most of those are rendered and then edited in PhotoShop. It takes hours to create a single image. This is not the type of quality you should expect from full motion animated films anytime in the immediate future, but in a few years we'll be close to this.

I think you can get quite close without having them edited in photoshop. Daz Studio's solution as an example. Whilst something with photoshop would be better. This is without the post processing. There's a lot you can do with lighting, texturing and shaders. Heck real-time shaders can be really impressive and can actually create really realistic looking effects, currently not viable for the games market, but possible with today's technology, I know not realistic for my suggestion either, but it shows what the future may hold in computer graphics. Regardless, I think you can still achieve something that looks pretty realistic without the need for post-processing in photoshop.

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“It is difficult to understand the universe if you only study one planet” - Miyamoto MusashiWarning: I occassionally forget to proofread my posts to spot typos or to spot poor editing.

I think there's still a wide gap between "Hey that looks human enough that it doesn't distract me from the story." to "Hey that's just as sexy as a real woman." Particularly considering that the effects of the uncanny valley are amplified by motion.

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"Do you see a problem with insisting that the normal ways in which you determine fact from fiction is something you have to turn off in order to maintain the belief in God?" - JeffPT

And I would love to hear about how, in the absence of any "adoption authorities," in an exceptionally bureaucratic communist country, this abandoned child managed to get a birth certificate. Which Joe claims she has.

"Exceptionally bureaucratic", haha. I can buy a passport right down the street. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

Well, that's not very clear. You seem to be doing your usual trick of making ambiguous statements and letting people jump to the wrong conclusions.

In this case, I'm inferring that your daughter has a fake birth-certificate bought on the black market.

And please be careful what you put online under your real name with your actual photo while living in a dictatorship. I lived in a scary African dictatorship (Congo/Zaire during the Mobutu era) so I know a bit of what I am talking about.

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1 - What is the normal process for obtaining a birth certificate in China? Does it involve liaison with some type of government department?

I found this academic paper which discusses these issues. I hope it's accurate. It first defines the concept of Birth Registration (BR), pn Page 3:

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In China, BR refers to the system that records a child’s birth, testifies to its citizenship, and registers its permanent residence, known as Hukou, by the household registration department (Wang, 2001). Hukou registration is the only symbol that BR has been carried out and completed, and Hukou registration is one of the most important components of the household management system in China. A child cannot acquire most of his or her rights without Hukou registration.

It goes on to specify the criteria for obtaining BR:

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The references that need to be provided when applying for BR include a medical birth certificate (MBC) issued by the Public Health (PH) department, a birth certificate (BC) issued by the Population and Family Planning (PFP) department, and the parents’ Hukou booklets or identity cards issued by Public Security (PS) departments.

So this discussion with Joe needs to distinguish between BR and the BC.

Joe, on Hai Feng's new birth-certificate, is the information on it accurate and correct? For example, who does it name as her mother? Your wife, or the biological mother?

And I would love to hear about how, in the absence of any "adoption authorities," in an exceptionally bureaucratic communist country, this abandoned child managed to get a birth certificate. Which Joe claims she has.

"Exceptionally bureaucratic", haha. I can buy a passport right down the street. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

1. In the UK passports are 'applied for', not 'bought'.2. And you can't obtain a passport here 'down the street' - only from a central national agency (the Identity and Passport Service, which is part of the Home Office). Same in China (the Exit and Entry Administration, part of the Ministry of Public Security). The colloquial expression 'down the street' means 'anywhere'.

So when you say, "I can buy a passport right down the street", that implies obtaining fake certification from the black market. I don't see any other way of interpreting the sentence. Perhaps you could re-phrase it so that it expresses what you meant more clearly?

Today, the BR procedure remains very complex and three references are involved in BR application. As Figure 1 shows, the couple first needs to apply for the BC from the PFP department during the period of pregnancy and then for the MBC from the PH department after birth. Only with these two references, can they register Hukou for the child at their local police station with their Hukou booklets. For an adopted child, the foster parents cannot register Hukou for the adopted child unless they receive adoptiondocumentation following special adopting procedures that are very strict. However, the government bureaus make these procedures simpler during national and local censuses.

(page 13-14)

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Joe has said he did not go through any adoption process.

I didn't have time to fully answer your "Why are you doing this?" question last night, my wife was dragging me to bed. Now that I have a minute I should explain.

First, I'm not ashamed of something I had no choice in and can't change. That would be just a stupid waste of time. Second, I haven't admitted to any illegal activity.Third, regarding my career, nobody does background checks before hiring a photographer, and I doubt my clients (foreign editions of men's fashion magazines mostly) read this website and even if they did, I doubt they would care. The fashion industry is kind of built around guys who like young girls. And guys who like young guys for that matter.Finally, the same reason that I use my real name and real photo on an atheism forum: hiding behind the veil of anonymity on the internet only serves to marginalize us. Nobody takes anyone in a mask seriously.

Yet, Joe is now asking the Mods to close the thread on the grounds of the Fifth.

Because he used his own name, and because he didn't like the direction the discussion took. So now he's running away from the questions about illegal activity.