MuslimDemocrat: "Pakistan stands to learn and be inspired more by China than by India."

In fact, the entire world should be inspired by China. The economic growth is shifting towards China's landlocked hinterland and to Western China. That's where Pakistan can initially contribute by way of offering a trade route and logistic facilities such as transhipment and storage points. The Chinese are investing in Pakistan's infrastructure to facilitate this trade route. The closest point to the sea from Western China is via Pakistan. Similarly for Central Asia, so there are multiple opportunities here. Pakistan has denied India a trade corridor and this places China in a unique position to exploit the opportunity. India is desperate to gain a foothold in Afghanistan, but it won't be of much use to them unless Pakistan gives them permission to use it's transit facilities. I doubt that will happen in this century.

As one of your fellow Chinese posters have said there are no permanent friends only permanent interest. The over riding interest for China interest in Pakistan is to counter balance India, above all else even at the sake of her immediate internal security. The fact is the PRC will sacrifice the lives of Chinese citizens to ensure that the relationship with Pakistan is maintained, that is how strong the relationship is. Here are some friends that Pakistan is harboring.

If a bomb explodes in Beijing instead of Xinjiang, China will not press openly to Pakistan about getting rid of the training camps for the Uighurs in Pakistan. Of course these training camps are not reported in the Chinese press. If relations where that good, why can't Pakistan can get rid of those terrorist that is launching attacks against targets in China. The scary part is ETIM could be funded by rouge elements in ISI.

I guess you are getting bombs and assassination even if you are good fiends with Pakistan.

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Well, I think our leaders have done some calculations there: what's more harmful to face a pro-China Pak government across the border than an anti-China one. Of course all of us know some Uighur terrorists trained in camps there or in Afg, but it's just unrealistic to hope them to get rid of all the Uighur terrorists for us while they can't even get rid of terrorists against their own people. And it's just silly because of a few terrorists against China then we are going to bomb the nation silly like the US, we won't do that: more violence abroad will bring more violence at home.

And how can we have a prosper Xinjiang to be a center of a new silk road if we don't have good relations with Pakistan or Afg or India or any South/Central Asian neighbors? For a peaceful rise, peace is the first condition, that's what we often heard in China, just in case you didn't know. ;)

Pakistan could offer a naval base to China at Gwadar. This will bring the Chinese Navy right up to the gateway of the Strait of Hormuz. China is a growing economy and it needs secure access to it's oil supply routes. China needs a secure South Asian Ocean for it's expanding trade relations with the African continent and the Middle East. Both Pakistan and China are collaborating in naval construction. The presence of China in this ocean will strengthen the peace and security of the South Asian subcontinent in the 21st century. Afghanistan is assessed to have $1 trillion worth of minerals. China is also the world's largest producer of rare earth minerals. Chinese mining firms and Pakistan can collaborate to extract these minerals and export them via Pakistan. Pakistan-China relationship can be a pivotal economic and strategic relationship in this century and beyond. Pakistan-India relationship is entirely peripheral to the core relationship which is Pakistan-China. There should be no urgency to improve ties with India; let India wait. Once USA-Afghanistan completes their end game, Pakistan-China should capitalize on the new opportunities extending to Central Asia and it's energy resources.

"China allies with Pakistan is not for against India, the earlier you realize that the better. Extreme Simple: why should we reject the friendship from a neighbor, we don't want bombs from anywhere because of bad relationship, OK??"

As one of your fellow Chinese posters have said there are no permanent friends only permanent interest. The over riding interest for China interest in Pakistan is to counter balance India, above all else even at the sake of her immediate internal security. The fact is the PRC will sacrifice the lives of Chinese citizens to ensure that the relationship with Pakistan is maintained, that is how strong the relationship is. Here are some friends that Pakistan is harboring.

If a bomb explodes in Beijing instead of Xinjiang, China will not press openly to Pakistan about getting rid of the training camps for the Uighurs in Pakistan. Of course these training camps are not reported in the Chinese press. If relations where that good, why can't Pakistan can get rid of those terrorist that is launching attacks against targets in China. The scary part is ETIM could be funded by rouge elements in ISI.

I guess you are getting bombs and assassination even if you are good fiends with Pakistan.

>"I then went to Mumbai - a city with a beautiful sky line of the super rich and Indian companies"

Perhaps you forgot to visit Abottabad. There you would have found a beacon of light brighter than that Shanghai supermarket illumination (it was no circus beacon duh) ... no I am not talking of OBL's radiant brightness ... but the brightness of the shots which killed him.

chinacat (wrote:May 16th 2011 5:58 GMT)
(China is not a superpower and far from that!! Our GDP per head is just a pathetic $4000, and our comrades in Beijing know that, thanks heavens!! someone said China's aid to Pak is not big like the US's , well, we are contributing our aid to other nations according to our economic capability, since we have many people still living in poor. Seems many people here have forgotten that.)

I have no problem of your saying that, in fact that makes Chinese aid to Pakistan more precious to them. China is not superpower and she has said not wanting to be one. But why is China in Kashmir? She has no business there. Get out.

India has no business in Kashmir, Nepal, Bhutan or Sikkim either. She should get the heck out there too. Despite media hypes and some fat cats showing off luxury living, do you know how poor India really is? Why is she insist on spreading her poverty to her smaller neighbours? Pure madness.

Oxymoron = two opposing terms juxtaposed in a phrase to convey an irony.

Moron = two opposing terms juxtaposed in a *name* to convey intelligence little realizing of what it really conveys.

I do not want to insult the intelligence of readers to spell out the obvious inferences in detail.

Source : Koran, verse 732, chapter 11. As uttered by the 3 year old Sophia, the 405-th wife of Muhammad. Jotted down by Al-Abu-abbasi-al-mukarram-al-fuckarram-al-taqiyya-wal-muqabla-al-jinnaat-e-hind, the third Caliph of Al-Jahiliya

I went to Shanghai and I saw a shinning beacon of light; a highly developed city reflective of a society which is tackling the problems posed by inequality. I saw that even the poor people in that city are educated, have enough to eat and can aspire to materially improve their lives.

I then went to Mumbai - a city with a beautiful sky line of the super rich and Indian companies - but also surrounded with slums which have more than millions of people. Outstanding naked poverty is at display in 'democratic' India while 'Communist' China has eradication of poverty as a commandment in its DNA.

These are truly interesting times. Pakistan stands to learn and be inspired more by China than by India.

They are the chosen one, Warriors of god. They have Oil, they have had the prophet and they have history

And please do not disgrace them by handing them over to these pork eating chinese, who can not even differentiate betwen a Melon and a mango, despite IQ 104

China cat , how big is your melon !!! Give it to Turks.

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now who is so crazy about the IQ?? that's not IQ but EQ that counts, and reading your rubbish is a good way to fight anger and develop a good anger management.... lol

about Turks, well, there's are lots of Chinese and Turks traders work together in Russia and Poland and other places, but there's not a lot Indians around, you guys from India must be very very busy on Internet forums wring silly comments and have not time to work. lol

The fact that China is Pakistan's ally is enough reason to not trust China.

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China allies with Pakistan is not for against India, the earlier you realize that the better. Extreme Simple: why should we reject the friendship from a neighbor, we don't want bombs from anywhere because of bad relationship, OK??

I thought of combing the web for a similar article by a Chinese about China, but then I thought, what's the use as there won't be any.

China seems like a superpower, but afraid of it's own people.

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China is not a superpower and far from that!! Our GDP per head is just a pathetic $4000, and our comrades in Beijing know that, thanks heavens!! someone said China's aid to Pak is not big like the US's , well, we are contributing our aid to other nations according to our economic capability, since we have many people still living in poor. Seems many people here have forgotten that.

hi, kcdavid, please send a message to your leader (I don't know what's your president's name, lol ), your drones have killed many terrorists in Pak, but they also killed many innocent people, and you should know why there are more and more terror, for one citizen you killed there's supposed the whole family of the death will seek revenge on you...