Yeah, the MEU SOC pistol is a favorite among the more "elite" ranks of the Marines

The Mk.23 SOCOM is a big mama alright, I have a replica and this weapon is almost the size of a Desert Eagle , with the suppressor attached then it's truly BIG Many anti terrorist and special forces operators prefer the offspring of the Mk.23, the USP.The USP is basically a smaller version of the large Mk.23 (there are many versions as well, including one chambered for the .45ACP just like the MK.23 so it's usually preferred).

The Mk.23 is my favorite pistol, this baby combines a large magazine (12 rounds + 1 on the chamber) + extreme accuracy + strong caliber (.45 ACP, perfect caliber for a combat scenario on the offensive sidearm level) + modularity (this weapon accepts a very wide array of attachments to suit the operator's "everyday needs").Basically the Mk.23 SOCOM is just as we would expect of such a high quality match grade pistol from HK, a perfect combat pistol (the weight and size of the weapon are no problem for me since I'm a big dude).

_________________"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -- George Patton

Same here, the Mk.23 can be a much larger gun (and the PPK haves the advantage in covert operations), but the Mk.23 is another different story when it comes down to combat performance (the Mk.23 SOCOM is one of the few pistols which was built from the ground up to do "offensive" roles rather than the standard defensive roles which most pistols perform).

_________________"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -- George Patton

vrisco wrote:yeah, the Mk. 23 compability to pair up with those LAM and Silencer made those bastard do the job! haha..

Too true, the LAM's are quite useful and perfect for spec ops (one visible laser, one infrared laser which is only visible while using night vision goggles and a tactical flashlight).Those Knight's Armament suppressors are also perfect for spec ops (flash and sound suppression and high durability to the weather and heat).

vrisco wrote:ehm, so, when the polling will be closed?

During the next major update (the Third Mega Update), it looks like the XM8 will be the chosen one

_________________"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -- George Patton

Initially the weapon poll was to end during the Third Mega Update, but since the poll and the chosen competitors were picked for a long time the poll completion countdown was started a few hours ago (to effectively end the poll tomorrow).

The Art of War infantry and various light weapons (including many randomized variants) are currently rollin' on the Alpha front lines

Our infantry was fully tested and is now ready to roll (and rolling ), certain specific features such as face, skin coloration and weapon accessory randomization are fully included in play as well .

_________________"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -- George Patton

Yup, the winner is the XM8 (which will be adopted as the "M8 Assault Rifle"), the team is preparing a LOT of new surprises on this field as well

Just yesterday I was completely speechless with the amount of new weapon variants that Marc made (soldiers will carry TONS of different models, a weapon may use various attachments, magazines, scopes, laser sights, etc. ).

_________________"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -- George Patton

Judging by the latest developments I think the next mega update (Third Mega Update or 'TMU') will be heavily focused on in game content, I'd say that infantry will have a very special spot (we're still gonna have a couple of mini updates before the TMU to present other new stuff though).

_________________"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -- George Patton

You do realize that the XM8 was canceled right? None of these weapons will be the primary rifle for US infantry anytime soon, if at all in the case of the winner of this poll.

It's your mod so do whatever you please, but if you're going for that realism the M4A1/M16A4 will be the primary rifle of US Army and Marine Corps infantry, respectively, for quite some time. A minimum of 5 years, probably much longer given the failures of most recent new small-arms projects and the continued satisfactory performance of the M16 family.

hudsonboywonder wrote:You do realize that the XM8 was canceled right? None of these weapons will be the primary rifle for US infantry anytime soon, if at all in the case of the winner of this poll.

It's your mod so do whatever you please, but if you're going for that realism the M4A1/M16A4 will be the primary rifle of US Army and Marine Corps infantry, respectively, for quite some time. A minimum of 5 years, probably much longer given the failures of most recent new small-arms projects and the continued satisfactory performance of the M16 family.

For Your Information, The XM-8 Has Reentered Production, They're Modifying It A Bit, To Make The Cost In General AffordableAnd Will Definitively Reenter +2010

hudsonboywonder wrote:You do realize that the XM8 was canceled right? None of these weapons will be the primary rifle for US infantry anytime soon, if at all in the case of the winner of this poll.

It's your mod so do whatever you please, but if you're going for that realism the M4A1/M16A4 will be the primary rifle of US Army and Marine Corps infantry, respectively, for quite some time. A minimum of 5 years, probably much longer given the failures of most recent new small-arms projects and the continued satisfactory performance of the M16 family.

For Your Information, The XM-8 Has Reentered Production, They're Modifying It A Bit, To Make The Cost In General AffordableAnd Will Definitively Reenter +2010

Any source on that? The only news I've heard is it participated in a firing test last year. I'm impressed with it, but the sad fact is it doesn't look like they'll be adopting it. Expect the M16 series to be around for a while. The most realistic replacements would be the HK416 or the SCAR, but regardless of that the M16 is here to stay for at least another 5-10 years.

Actually When They're Done With The XM8The US Military Will Have To Choose Between:_XM-8 (M8)_HK-416/417 (M416/417)_SCAR Family_And A Recently Started Project The XM11, By The Looks, It Won't Last Long

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hudsonboywonder wrote:You do realize that the XM8 was canceled right? None of these weapons will be the primary rifle for US infantry anytime soon, if at all in the case of the winner of this poll.

It's your mod so do whatever you please, but if you're going for that realism the M4A1/M16A4 will be the primary rifle of US Army and Marine Corps infantry, respectively, for quite some time. A minimum of 5 years, probably much longer given the failures of most recent new small-arms projects and the continued satisfactory performance of the M16 family.

Indeed, and if you ask me I'd say the closest thing to the current US weapon replacement would be, at least, the adoption of new weapon parts (specially the receiver if it comes to that) to mount on the M4/M16 (which, by the looks of it, will continue to see military service for a long time, even if a new frontline weapon was adopted, the complete weapon replacement process itself would most likely take decades).

The Art of War, however, happens on an "alternative universe", not related with ZH nor it's a precise reflection of the current global state (fictional political changes or the fact that the EU and US fighting each other are examples of that), since TAOW will happen on an alternative reality we had the chance to include some new and alternative equipment (less generic) and some changes without seeming too "sci-fi" (one of the reasons the XM29 wasn't included on the poll for example).

Take our US Marines for example, they will have new uniform camouflage patterns ("home built" with many inspirations) and when we reached the point when we had to choose which assault rifle we should choose for the US the team had some very interesting discussions and opinions but we eventually decided: "Why not let the players choose for themselves?", so we took a handful of some of the most probable, yet "realistic" replacements (not too futuristic, note that the M4/M16 duo was also included) and initiated the poll to let the future TAOW players choose for themselves.

_________________"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -- George Patton

Woo! XM8 won it!!! why it was cancelled i'll never know (no, that's not an invite for people to post up articles and discussions explaining why, i already know why THEY cancelled it )

sweet n sleek weapon, practicle too. now it's just a question of what spec ops will be getting if the xm8 is now the standard infantry weapon.

now, ONTO THE NEXT POLL! what weapon should the EU have as their main weapon?-G36-L85/L98A2 (newer and shinier)-Steyr AUG (A3 varient, newest and shiniest)-FAMAS-G3KA4A1 (fancy G3, standard G3 was gettin old)

and any others anyone can think of. now, before anyone says "yeah, but we won't need a russian poll. they only use the AK-47." think again. there should definatley be a russian weapons poll aswell to cater for their vast range of military hardware.

can't wait for the next poll. look forward to seeing the XM8 all made up for the infantry. keep up the good work

Pyrospastiac wrote:Woo! XM8 won it!!! why it was cancelled i'll never know (no, that's not an invite for people to post up articles and discussions explaining why, i already know why THEY cancelled it )

sweet n sleek weapon, practicle too. now it's just a question of what spec ops will be getting if the xm8 is now the standard infantry weapon.

now, ONTO THE NEXT POLL! what weapon should the EU have as their main weapon?-G36-L85/L98A2 (newer and shinier)-Steyr AUG (A3 varient, newest and shiniest)-FAMAS-G3KA4A1 (fancy G3, standard G3 was gettin old)

and any others anyone can think of. now, before anyone says "yeah, but we won't need a russian poll. they only use the AK-47." think again. there should definatley be a russian weapons poll aswell to cater for their vast range of military hardware.

can't wait for the next poll. look forward to seeing the XM8 all made up for the infantry. keep up the good work

-pyro

Yo Yo Yo! We Missed You Pyro

Well The EU Will Have All Of Those As Standard Depending On The Randomizer And The Infantry TypeRussia Will Use The AK-74M

Also The XM8 Reentered And They Will Fix Stuff In It, And It Will Be The Standard Till 2--->5 Years Later And The M16/M4 Will Go To The Heavenly Playground

Pyrospastiac wrote:now, ONTO THE NEXT POLL! what weapon should the EU have as their main weapon?-G36-L85/L98A2 (newer and shinier)-Steyr AUG (A3 varient, newest and shiniest)-FAMAS-G3KA4A1 (fancy G3, standard G3 was gettin old)

and any others anyone can think of.

Cheers mate

Initially we had the G36 as the main Euro assault rifle, at the moment however, chances are that the European Union will have multiple assault rifles.

It's kind of putting the cart ahead of the horse but the European Union will likely have randomized infantry based on the largest European Military Forces, and with it each Force's respective and iconic assault rifle (such as the G36, L85A2, FAMAS, Steyr AUG, etc.).

For example, let's say an European Rifleman Team is deployed:One of the soldiers may be carrying an L85A2 and another one a G36.

Let's suppose a Grenadier is deployed:One may carry a G36 with an AG36 underslung grenade launcher and another grenadier may be deployed with a FAMAS with an M203, pretty sweet if we include this concept .

Pyrospastiac wrote:now, before anyone says "yeah, but we won't need a russian poll. they only use the AK-47." think again. there should definatley be a russian weapons poll aswell to cater for their vast range of military hardware.

can't wait for the next poll. look forward to seeing the XM8 all made up for the infantry. keep up the good work

-pyro

We also considered creating a weapon poll for the Russian Armed Forces (with various modern competitors such as the AK-74M, AN-94 or the AEK-971).

However, after taking into consideration certain factors we decided to adopt the AK-74M (which is the current Russian service rifle) as the main Russian assault rifle and the AN-94 as the main Russian Special Forces rifle.

One of the main reasons is the fact that the Rebel factions will also extensively use AK's and numerous derivatives (the AK may become the most common light weapon family in TAOW ).

_________________"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -- George Patton