Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change? ..projectiles should use capacitor.
ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Ice-Storm

Two Maidens One Chalice

So, let me get this strait. We have the race here in the most need of a bump, with almost legendary ineptitude in PvP, and here you come with your much anticipated balance. So what do we get?

We get the already confused Rokh exactly as it is, but with less tank

We get a raven that is outclassed by a mini ship in every way that matters for PvP (cap rate, mobility, drones, sig radius, mass, and of course damage application), and its already abysmal tank reduced.

And the Scorpion, which is "Healthy" in its role as a free kill, essentially unchanged.

Then, on top of it, they are nerfing the resist bonus; which effects essentially only Caldari and Amarr.

Boy, this will certainly make Caldari competitive!

Don't forget, they also increased the prices of the Raven and Scorpion so as to be closer (though not identical to) that of the Rokh.

Sure is a winning lineup, if we're defining 'winning' as 'doing the worst'.

Cold Nova Industries

Not the biggest fan of the Raven losing HP, its defenses were already okish at best to begin with and the slight hit to the resists bonus on the Rokh isnt so hot either. The Rokh however could really use some extra drone space. 50m3 is tiny for a battleship drone bay, an extra 25 m3 would fit it nicely but keep its bandwidth unchanged.

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Not the biggest fan of the Raven losing HP, its defenses were already okish at best to begin with and the slight hit to the resists bonus on the Rokh isnt so hot either. The Rokh however could really use some extra drone space. 50m3 is tiny for a battleship drone bay, an extra 25 m3 would fit it nicely but keep its bandwidth unchanged.

The Rokh was literally unchanged besides its nerf..... quite shocking really when you consider it is a blasterboat or at least the caldari version so why is its mobility so far short of the Hyperion... the other combat ship???

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change? ..projectiles should use capacitor.
ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Not the biggest fan of the Raven losing HP, its defenses were already okish at best to begin with and the slight hit to the resists bonus on the Rokh isnt so hot either. The Rokh however could really use some extra drone space. 50m3 is tiny for a battleship drone bay, an extra 25 m3 would fit it nicely but keep its bandwidth unchanged.

The Rokh was literally unchanged besides its nerf..... quite shocking really when you consider it is a blasterboat or at least the caldari version so why is its mobility so far short of the Hyperion... the other combat ship???

RANGE

"I don't have to move, I can hit you from over here!"

The Rokh is probably one of the only ships that isn't wrecked by having a range bonus (unlike the Ferox, which is nearly a non-ship).

Perkone

Caldari State

The Raven is classed as an "Attack" battleship (smaller, faster, slightly fewer hp). You shouldn't be comparing it to the Hype, but to the Mega.

Scorp is a "Disruption" BS, and it's the only one, so there's no direct comparison. Although I might point out that it has 8 mids, so it should be able to shield tank well enough.

> "(smaller, faster, slightly fewer hp)"

You mean, like a Typhoon?

If it's going to be an attack battleship, and its bigger and slower, it should be doing more damage when it gets there to make it viable. At the moment, it's doing less.

Luckily we have a range bonus to make up for that. On our "attack battleship". On a weapon that already goes 100km.At best you could use Torps - but that's the same mentality as a blaster Rokh, and I think it's pretty safe to say it never did the job the Mega did. It's a confused set of attributes for its role.

yup, you got that right. thanks for taking a yet another step towards finally pushing caldari out of pvp world. good job on the raven :D same bonuses.. less high slots. definately a buff. i see it became a tradition @ cccp now.. "we brought you a new expansion! and surprise surprise - there is NO suprise.. we`ve raped caldari yet again." thanks hun :*

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yup, you got that right. thanks for taking a yet another step towards finally pushing caldari out of pvp world. good job on the raven :D same bonuses.. less high slots. definately a buff. i see it became a tradition @ cccp now.. "we brought you a new expansion! and surprise surprise - there is NO suprise.. we`ve raped caldari yet again." thanks hun :*

Funny that all minmatar thread.. the most asked thing is to remove a high slot from the tempest and give us a MId slot. So stop whinnning!!! Iw ant your changes!!

"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

yup, you got that right. thanks for taking a yet another step towards finally pushing caldari out of pvp world. good job on the raven :D same bonuses.. less high slots. definately a buff. i see it became a tradition @ cccp now.. "we brought you a new expansion! and surprise surprise - there is NO suprise.. we`ve raped caldari yet again." thanks hun :*

Funny that all minmatar thread.. the most asked thing is to remove a high slot from the tempest and give us a MId slot. So stop whinnning!!! Iw ant your changes!!

Back to the whinematar threads with you! Our only viable bs is only goor in mass fleets, while the second closest to being decent in pvp is outdone by a cruiser.

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The Raven is classed as an "Attack" battleship (smaller, faster, slightly fewer hp). You shouldn't be comparing it to the Hype, but to the Mega.

Scorp is a "Disruption" BS, and it's the only one, so there's no direct comparison. Although I might point out that it has 8 mids, so it should be able to shield tank well enough.

I don't understand how the 'geddon isn't also classed as a disruption BS tbh.

I can't see many scenarios where a scorp will be preferable to a geddon, blackbird's do the job with 80-90% of the effectiveness for 10% of the price.

A disruption BS needs more than just a neut range bonus.

With comparable fits - medslots of prop mod and ECM - the Blackbird offers 70% of the Scorpion's raw ECM power, because of the additional medslots, so the Scorp has a 40% advantage. But yeah, given the cost and lack of mobility of BS, it's easy to argue that the Scorp isn't really worth it. But really, that argument also seems to apply to attack BS in general.

yup, you got that right. thanks for taking a yet another step towards finally pushing caldari out of pvp world. good job on the raven :D same bonuses.. less high slots. definately a buff. i see it became a tradition @ cccp now.. "we brought you a new expansion! and surprise surprise - there is NO suprise.. we`ve raped caldari yet again." thanks hun :*

Funny that all minmatar thread.. the most asked thing is to remove a high slot from the tempest and give us a MId slot. So stop whinnning!!! Iw ant your changes!!

yeah it might work for MINMIES ffs.. is raven a minmatar boat? no so wtf are you on about here? :D

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That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father.