The Amazing Rape-Celebrating Atheist

What kind of an evil person would write something like this to anyone who tells him that he or she has been raped?

Yeah. Well, you deserved it. So, fuck you. I hope it happens again soon. I’m tired of being treated like shit by you mean little cunts and then you using your rpae as an excuse. Fuck you. I think we should give teh guy who raped you a medal. I hope you fucking drown in rape semen, you ugly, mean-spirited cow. Actually, I don’t believe you were ever raped! What man would be tasteless enough to stick his dick into a human cesspool like you? Nice gif of a turd going into my mouth. Is that kind of like the way that rapists dick went in your pussy? Or did he use your asshole? Or was it both? Maybe you should think about it really hard for the next few hours. Relive it as much as possible. You know? Try to recall: was it my pussy or my ass?

But now, after I read all the disgusting details of what he was up to last night, I think every atheist with a conscience and a platform (whether it be Facebook or a Freethought Blog) needs to say that this amazing asshole does not represent the countless truly amazing atheists out there.

His real name is TJ Kincaid and he goes by the handle “terroja” and his YouTube videos bill him as “The Amazing Atheist”. Make these names infamous. Spread the word that he deserves to be shamed out of the community. Unsubscribe from him. Encourage others to unsubscribe. Make sure he never parlays his YouTube prominence into a place on the atheist speaker circuit or publishing list.

UPDATE 1: I’ve been accused of inconsistency for not calling out the ICumWhenIKillMen username that Kincaid considers just provocation for his abusive behavior. For the conscience-impaired, that username was disgusting and worthy of unequivocal denunciation too. As is the regular barrage of misogyny coming from MRA forums and from the blog ERV, which it was meant to satirize.

There are clear lines, for anyone not overwhelmed with hate, between satire and dehumanizing hostility. And when you encounter dehumanizing hostility it is wrong to respond with more of the same in return. Two wrongs do not make a right. I did not respond to Kincaid’s comment relishing how he would rape someone and trying to emotionally violate that person by calling for anything violent or dehumanizing to happen to him. I just called for him to be shamed as an irresponsible person willing to hurt someone in a truly malicious way. No provocation justifies his reply. And I have consistently written against abusive verbal treatment of others. I denounce it in atheists, in fellow left wingers, etc. This is not some arbitrary (and inexplicable) misandry on my part.

Secondly, it is alleged that TJ Kincaid’s claim to being a rape survivor too justifies his behavior. He does not deserve his public platform and he does not deserve to treat people maliciously simply because others have treated him unconscionably in the past. I’m not a psychologist. I have no idea about his ultimate mental state, so do not take the following analogies as any kind of diagnoses or insults: Psychopaths and child rapists often were violently and/or sexually abused when young. These do not exempt them from criticism for killing or raping or even from verbally abusing people. When unrepentant and violent in their words or deeds, they do not deserve public platforms of prominence to spread their views on the world.

Maybe Kincaid needs professional psychological help. Maybe he needs a lot of love from people in his life. I have no idea his mental diagnosis and do not presume to judge. All I know is his behavior—regardless of its far distant or more immediate triggers—makes him at minimum an emotionally reckless and potentially destructive person who makes the places he resides on the internet threatening, upsetting, and exclusionary to nearly all women. He carelessly stokes other men’s anger and models violent language and celebrates the violent treatment of others. What spilled out on the internet seemed to come out of a seething cauldron of hatred. The public atheist community is not the place for him to vent or to get whatever help he needs—whether it is merely anger management classes or whether it is more intensive psychiatric help. I truly wish him the best as a fellow human being. But he is only unrepentantly perpetuating cycles of violence and that is inexcusable, whatever his history.

Finally, even by the false and childish excuse I’m hearing on Facebook, such that “two wrongs made a right” and that his interlocutor got what he deserved by provoking him, what he did was shamefully inexcusable because he was writing in a public forum and verbally assaulting all rape victims—not just the one verbally sparring with him, but all of them looking on. And that is utterly disgraceful and such behavior needs to be purged from the atheist forums. That’s not censorship, it’s the enforcement of minimal standards of civility and morality.

Dr. Daniel Fincke has his PhD in philosophy from Fordham University and spent 11 years teaching in college classrooms. He wrote his dissertation on Ethics and the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche. On Camels With Hammers, the careful philosophy blog he writes for a popular audience, Dan argues for atheism and develops a humanistic ethical theory he calls “Empowerment Ethics”. Dan also teaches affordable, non-matriculated, video-conferencing philosophy classes on ethics, Nietzsche, historical philosophy, and philosophy for atheists that anyone around the world can sign up for. (You can learn more about Dan’s online classes here.) Dan is an APPA (American Philosophical Practitioners Association) certified philosophical counselor who offers philosophical advice services to help people work through the philosophical aspects of their practical problems or to work out their views on philosophical issues. (You can read examples of Dan’s advice here.) Through his blogging, his online teaching, and his philosophical advice services each, Dan specializes in helping people who have recently left a religious tradition work out their constructive answers to questions of ethics, metaphysics, the meaning of life, etc. as part of their process of radical worldview change.

https://plus.google.com/103133177397090504113/ Tony Sidaway

I never heard of the guy and I have never used Reddit. This guy is beyond belief. What other monsters lurk beneath?

http://www.facebook.com/erik.griffiths erikgriffiths

TJ is actually a pretty okay guy, a victim of sexual abuse himself and just got tired of the crap thrown at him from feminists simply because he doesn’t believe in their patriarchy conspiracy theory.

S

Wow. You’re defending this prick?

No, he is not a nice guy. He wasn’t particularly nice before, but in light of this, he cannot be considered a nice guy ever again. Before, he was toxic to reasonable faith/non-faith discussion and debate. Now he’s demonstrated himself completely devoid of empathy or reasonable conduct.

Now, I also disagree with the people he spent eight hours yelling at. Certain elements of feminism, especially the kind who like to play the Privilege-Means-You-Are-Wrong card at the drop of a hat (/r/SRS) are also pretty toxic to discussion and debate.

However, there is NO EXCUSE for what he did and said. None. Zero. No matter how angry you are, the idea of deliberately trying to induce a PTSD episode in a rape survivor to prove a point is completely revolting.

I’ve “met” women who certainly *seem* to think that being raped by one man means it’s ok to poison all other women’s minds to, and bully all the other men in the world.

Angie the antitheist jackson being the most recent.

All of you seem to think that being raped means having carte blanche to say or do absolutely anything at all, especially to or at men. And that’s fair, right? I mean we also let men physically or financially raped by women to spread misogyny too… don’t we?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/camelswithhammers Daniel Fincke

Who ever will save us from the rape victims—the real cause of all the problems in society!

Shadow

“Financial rape”?!? Are you kidding me? I would love to hear you explain how anything financial could possibly be comparable to someone forcing themselves on you physically, because there must be some spectacular mental gymnastics going on there. And I’ve heard plenty of men spout of a bunch of misogynistic bullshit after divorces or breakups, so lets not pretend for one fucking second that men never go around smearing women as a group, either. It’s such a great mystery why anyone would ever paint you as one of those kinds of men.

http://songe.me Alex Songe

Sometimes libertarian notions of property and self-ownership grow a life of their own where rape is a violation of one’s body as property. This then lets them make these odd moral equivalencies when talking about any of their property (like, taxes are murder or slavery, etc). It’s really twisted.

Shadow

It is twisted, ridiculously so. Lets put three choices on tax paperwork, whereby you can either a) pay your taxes, b) agree to be enslaved for a period of 1-5 years (except you have no say in the time frame), or c) put your name on a list of people who will, at some undefined point be forced violently to have sex with a person of the governments choosing. I wonder what people would pick?

bob

??? first of all it is a period of 18 years of partial enslavement, not 1-5 years, buddy. And yes I would much prefer to be a woman who got raped once and have a decent living for the next 18 years than to be forcibly thrown into the depths of poverty for 18 years by the government. Strictly from an organism-level view of things this actually makes total sense too. Rape sucks but it is not the end of the world. Poverty entails ongoing health damage, starvation, stressful living conditions( so equivalent in many ways to the psychological trauma). Of course you wouldn’t know that now would you, having lived in a position of reasonable privilege and wealth all your life. Privilege comes in many different forms. Get some perspective.

http://molotovcocktailparty.net jynnan_tonnyx

bob: “Privilege comes in many different forms.”

It sure does, bobby!

You seem to be in posession of the variety that makes alleged human beings sociopathically indifferent to the suffering of others while whining about largely imaginary government persecution.

How’s that working out for you?

http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

All of you seem to think that being raped means having carte blanche to say or do absolutely anything at all, especially to or at men.

Quote one of us — any one — saying anything remotely like that, or admit you’re full of shit.

http://molotovcocktailparty.net jynnan_tonnyx

It was very generous of Steve to take a break from his busy day of lonely, angry masturbation to share his “thoughts” with the rest of us.

Marshall

All of you seem to think that being raped means having carte blanche to say or do absolutely anything at all, especially to or at men. And that’s fair, right? I mean we also let men physically or financially raped by women to spread misogyny too… don’t we?

What the hell are you on about here? I particularly don’t like the “All of you” followed by what I hesitate to even label a strawman; because that would imply it’s a dishonest representation of a position people hold, when really it’s a pulled-out-of-ass position you’re trying to put in people’s mouths so you can attack them for it. I’ll state my OWN positions, thanks, I don’t need you to make them up for me in the interest of excusing patently inexcusable behavior.

Happiestsadist

“Financial rape” is not a thing. Words actually have meanings. But then, you’re too busy blaming rape victims for…speaking out against rapists? Rape culture? It’s hard to tell what you’re against, other than women in general, and the ones with the temerity to ask not to be raped in particular. Fuck right off.

bob

I see no problem with borrowing the terms to impress on the reader the severity of the crime. There is no false equivalency. That rape is considered so unforgivable while the type of treatment this commenter is alluding to is totally okay makes no sense and you might as well take advantage of this opportunity to highlight it. It is comparable in many ways in severity and in many cases is much worse than rape in isolation (absent permanent severely crippling damage), that should be impressed on people. Of course people will promptly complain that you are “derailing” the conversation away from misogyny, which you should totes never do because that is always more important, pretty much says it all. The anti misogyny position has in fact succeeded and managed to get recognition for the severity of the crime of rape. However the crimes that many men are exposed to have not yet achieved that position of reasonably accurate public perception. That does not change the truth however.

So I’m not surprised that people here fail to recognize the above, being followers that just do what other people do or approve of, instead of independent thinkers that observe reality and then draw conclusions from that.

http://molotovcocktailparty.net jynnan_tonnyx

“The anti misogyny position has in fact succeeded and managed to get recognition for the severity of the crime of rape.”

One would think so. And yet we are still confronted with sociopathic douchebags such as yourself. So the battle continues.

He also goes by “The Distressed watcher” on thatguywithglasses.com a movie reviewing site. Disgusting Idiot would be more appropriate…

Dalillama

The Distressed Watcher isn’t on there anymore, hasn’t been for a while. I’m not sure how long, because I stopped paying attention to him after I tried to watch one of his reviews. All I can say is that if his atheist videos are of equivalent quality, it’s beyond me how he ever got the following he did, even without taking into account the crap that he’s pulling currently.

http://www.NoYourGod.com NoYourGod

What an amazing waste of oxygen that terroja seems to be…

ilp

I got a front row seat to it last night and the reddit user veerserif pretty accurately summed up my feelings on the situation. I thought it was particularly telling that after intentionally trying to trigger rape victims (interesting that he assumed the person he was bullying and psychologically abusing was a woman, speaks a lot to the rape culture we live in) he was still refusing to see the writing on the wall and could only fixate on his own feelings without once acknowledging or validating the feelings of others. The way he got ANGRY as well with the person who he threatened to rape said they would use deadly force to stop him if he tried- while reading it, it made me literally sad for humanity. TAA is more upset by the prospect of a person (or in this case, an assumed woman though the poster was a man) standing up to being victimized than the actual victimizing act in the first place. He also posted such great comments as “Women are incapable of being logical”. As a woman and an atheist, I can point to people like this and the people defending him as one of the top reasons I feel unwelcome and unsafe among the skeptic and atheist community. I’d like to thank you, Daniel, for stepping up and saying this is not okay. It partially undoes some of the trauma from just reading that vitriol to know that even if it’s an uphill battle, I still have people that will advocate for me and other minorities.

http://songe.me Alex Songe

One thing that’s been bothering me…we can never have a double standard for atheist behavior. Some of the justifications for his behavior that have been offered just hit me in the face as a double standard. I bet that some of TJ’s defenders would use similar talk from theists to beat them over the head. I’m usually cautious about public trouncing, but this kind of behavior can’t be tolerated.

mikespeir

Obviously, being an atheist doesn’t make one a good person. But then, we never claimed it does.

karmakin

Geez. What a horrific affair all around. Guy has some SERIOUS anger issues and needs professional help, pronto. Probably a good idea as well to stay away from groups and situations that are known troll-havens (such as the SRS subreddit, as an example) as well.

Just looking for trouble, really.

David

I don’t think I’ve ever been subscribed to TAA. I may have been for a brief time a few years back, but I find his approach very off-putting. I enjoy a good, justified rant as much as anyone, but he’s always comes across as an idiot.

This is a very good reason in a long line of other reasons to avoid his videos in the future.

Colin Mackay

I unsubscribed! I can offer tj kinkaid no solace his views offend me. BUT that “…he deserves to be shamed out of the community”; vilification and excommunication as a first response? Our ‘community’ is and will no doubt remain diverse. But when the response to dissent, trouble, transgression or illness is excommunication then it seems somehow that compassion is lost. I, for one, do not want to live in a world so base that regardless the underlying cause or reason the considered response to transgression is wither and die.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/camelswithhammers Daniel Fincke

If he returns from therapy repentant, we will cross that bridge. For the meantime he has set himself up as a hero of the MRA fringe and deserves special shaming and distancing as such. He’s high enough profile to make breaking with him unequivocal as we can.

http://langcultcog.com/traumatized DuWayne

Fuck that. Banishment should be reserved for exceptionally egregious bullshit to be sure, but there are cases where it is the right thing to do and the offense committed by this asshat absolutely qualifies. The person who is capable of a rant like that has no place around me and mine. This person is seriously deranged in a dangerous and ugly way.

http://langcultcog.com/traumatized DuWayne

Just to be clear Colin, banishing someone and being compassionate aren’t mutually exclusive. Having spent a lot of time helping people who have substance abuse issues, I have learned well how to love someone while having to completely extricate them from my life. Doing so can be a catalyst for positive change and as such changes happen, there is no reason one can’t reconsider that person’s place in your life.

In the case of addicts, stealing and lying about it (not lying about using mind you, banishing an addict for lying about use is a good way to never help anyone) were the most common catalyst for banishment. If said person expresses (seemingly) genuine remorse and desire to change, they can earn the opportunity to start earning back the trust they lost.

In this case there is a secondary reason for the refusal to associate – it sends the message that this kind of fucking insanity is not going to be tolerated. That while there may be some few people who are willing to put up with and engage in such behavior, most people won’t put up with it. Taking a hardline stance with someone who fucked up to this degree will let people who aren’t quite that bad know their bullshit is not wanted.

http://denkeensechtna.blogspot.com Deen

But when the response to dissent, trouble, transgression or illness is excommunication then it seems somehow that compassion is lost.

Compassion isn’t lost. I just choose to have compassion for rape victims, instead of for people who say they deserved to be raped.

http://www.laughinginpurgatory.com/ Andrew Hall

Well, I just took a look at some of The Amazing Atheist’s videos and the guy is entertaining to watch. And his schtick is to be a bit a dick. I accept that. I do the funny, and in the funny business you get rewarded for crossing “the line”.

However, the guy has problems — big, ginormous psychodynamic problems which require help. These problems, if managed properly, can be the source of a long career in comedy. If the the problems aren’t managed, then he’s gonna burn out and end up working in a 7-11.

Teege

Dan, You are right. That is all.

Shadow

Listen, Bob, before you spout out about privilege and assume you know one single goddamned thing about me, I’ve dealth with trauma and PTSD, so I know a little more about it than you apparently do, you self righteous sack of shit.

Shadow

And, FYI Bob, trauma often carries with it YEARS of health effects, and it can gravely impact your ability to provide for yourself and interact with society in healthy ways. You act like rape is just a sex act, and you have the fucking nerve to bring up orgasm?!? Are you fucking kidding me? You’re fucking disgusting.

Shadow

Misread that, actually. Disregard.

rusty

Absolutely horrifying. I’m dumbfounded.

http://www.facebook.com/erik.griffiths erikgriffiths

If your a victim of abuse or rape, its tragic, but it doesn’t give you the right to say whatever you want to whomever you want and not expect them to react in kind. TJ did not rape this woman, he didn’t condone her rape until she lashed out at him. Quote mining a discussion to suite your own views is pretty much lying.

Happiestsadist

Actually, there is no context where the shit he said could possibly be considered acceptable. The fact that you don’t get this says a great deal about you.

Nathan

The username which moved Kincaid to paroxysms of misogyny was “ICumWhenIKillMen”, not “ICumWhenIKillWomen”. It looks like that was just a typo on your part.

Also, thanks for not doing the lazy, hand-wavy equivocating maneuver I’ve seen elsewhere of the form “That ‘ICumWhenIKillMen username is offensive, to be sure, however…”, when the function of that username within the discourse context in question is clearly satirical.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/camelswithhammers Daniel Fincke

It’s not a lazy equivocation. It’s the truth. They’re all egregious forms of hostile faux-satire/real-aggression. Kincaid, the “ICumWhenIKillMen”, ERV’s nasty MRA threads. They’re all the same noxious hatred claiming to be “merely satire”.

Nathan

I misread your statement.

The primary way it’s a false equivocation is that the satiric thrust of the username is directed at an oppressive cultural construct (patriarchy/misogyny), while Kincaid’s statements are representative of that construct and directed at the oppressed group. Do you really think mimicry and parody of bigotry (the username) is ethically equivalent to the bigotry itself (Kincaid’s comments)? Or, that there’s some level of ‘offensiveness’ or lack of taste where the above ceases to be relevant and it’s all a wash?

On the other hand, I suppose you have to be familiar with the commentary/parody MO of the http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/ (where all this drama originated to ‘get’ what how the username is satirizing the casual misogyny that is common at Reddit.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/camelswithhammers Daniel Fincke

It’s still tasteless, violent imagery, I don’t care whether it is against something awful. You have to be better than your enemies.

Cody Webber

I don’t care what he does in his spare time. This is like when TV personalities get fired for having affairs etc.

I watch TJ’s videos because he is entertaining and offers interesting and often unique perspectives on talking points, not because I believe him to be some kind of moral guide.

You guys can take your bananas and your rape comments and stick them where the sun seldom shines.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/camelswithhammers Daniel Fincke

This is not a private affair. These are actions he performed using his public persona. They reveal him to be excruciatingly capable of discarding with empathy and malignantly trying to hurt people. He is a person of poor judgment and reckless consequences and he should not be encouraged to keep using the internet to vent his bile. He belongs in some kind of therapy instead.

‘Tis Himself, OM

You guys can take your bananas and your rape comments and stick them where the sun seldom shines.

Will you remove your head from your rectum so the bananas will fit?

Ace of Sevens

If you were just talking about the banana thing, that would be a good defense and I would agree with you. However, you are trying to defend what are likely criminal threats of rape. This is what he is doing with hsi public platform, not his spare time.

Aerik

oh crommunist, FAIL. Why? Because you just don’t get what SRS is all about.

SRS’s behavior is satire. The premise is, every time somebody points out sexism on reddit, a giant misogynist circlejerk ensues in which women and rape victims are blamed for the words problems, mocked, told they deserve death and assault and rape, and nobody learns a fucking thing.

So what is SRS? SRS is a group of redditors who purposely turn it around so we can say “you think this is gross? It doesn’t look any better when YOU do it!”

That’s the point. That’s IT.

Have you ever been accused by some bully or office jerk of some personality quirk so often that one day you decide to imitate said quirk/attitude as a means of illustrating how stupid the accusation is? Sure you have, or you’ve seen this done.

and that’s all the user name “icumwhenIkillmen” is about. MRAs on reddit accuse feminists and anybody against rape culture of being man haters, and conspiring to have men harmed or enslaved or killed. So the username “icumwhenIkillmen” is making fun of that accusation.

That’s all it is, and it should be obvious just looking at /r/shitredditsays. It’s no different than an atheist wearing a shirt that says “baby eater.”

‘Tis Himself, OM

oh crommunist, FAIL.

You might be in the wrong blog.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/camelswithhammers Daniel Fincke

Prodding unstable people with deep persecution complexes is not going to fix them. It’s not going to solve the problems.

Sorenson

AmazingAthiest wins again.

Aerik

Yes I’ve got all the FTB posts on TAA open, and I said crommunist. My bad. I am talking to the right person, though.

>UPDATE 1: I’ve been accused of inconsistency for not calling out the ICumWhenIKillMen username that Kirk considers just provocation for his abusive behavior. For the conscience-impaired, that username was disgusting and worthy of unequivocal denunciation too. As is the regular barrage of misogyny coming from MRA forums and from the blog ERV, which it was meant to satirize.

Just a note to say thanks for calling this guy out. We always hear from religious ‘moderates’ who quietly claim extremists don’t speak for them – but only when they’re asked about it, and never with much passion or in-depth discussion.

I don’t pretend the atheist community is one big happy family (neither is feminism, for that matter), but I don’t want anyone confusing me with subhumans like this just because we’re both atheists.

Ace of Sevens

I should link to this. TJ only brought up that he was molested in the first places as a way to discredit rape victims with PTSD.

V

Just another clarification: His real name is Thomas Kirk, not Kincaid.

http://denkeensechtna.blogspot.com Deen

I already unsubscribed yesterday. I wonder how many subscriptions he’s lost already?

Linda Kloss

I am a 66 YO female and just learned how to go into U-Tube and leave comments. This just strikes me as a trolling creep who is using his free speech. I will never know who this “man” or even “woman” is who thinks like this. I’ve seen worse comments like, for instance, a vid of Indian women bopping a man who got off a “women’s only” section of a Punjab region train. Some “guy” left a comment that “if this were my wife who pulled something like this, she’d be in the hospital.” I was from a violent family and this hurt me to the core but I didn’t leave a comment. Why? Because I’ve learned this would most likely breed a bunch more vile comments. Now I don’t get “caught up” in leaving any nasty comments. I think this “man” just outed himself to any half way intelligent human as to his unhuman-ness.

DanZeta

It was on Reddit, so is there any confirmation that it is the same Amazing Athiest as on Youtube? Reddit is notorious for trolls, lots of man hating, woman hating and all types of isms. Are people really so stupid to go on Reddit and not expect to be insulted? Are you qualified to make diagnoses of mental illness over the internet to support your argument of right and wrong?

The Amazing Athiest usually uses loud mouth logic in opposition to political correctness. He’s quite entertaining but he sounded drunk in this instance and clearly went over the line. However, the underlying problem is when the political becomes personal and it’s used to manipulate public discourse.

Where are these MRA’s that you speak of? There are some legitimate men’s rights causes and they shouldn’t be brushed off as illegitimate by mere association with alleged misogyny. How is the Amazing Athiest connected with men’s rights? He only attacks gender feminist hypocrisy.

Are you a humanist? Are you also concerned about the spread of cultural misandry? I just heard this video and it shocked me that it was real, and catchy. Can you imagine if this was sung by a man about a woman?

There’s so many questions, but you don’t have all the answers sir, just like everyone else.

Kazim

It was on Reddit, so is there any confirmation that it is the same Amazing Athiest as on Youtube?

So… “As is the regular barrage of misogyny coming from MRA forums” Really? I know it’s been common through time that many people were not informed on the truths and principles of atheism. Many people demonized it and made it’s followers seem like strange misfits that didn’t deserve to mingle with the rest of society. The Men’s Rights Movement (MRM) and it’s activists (MRA’s) are nowadays in the same boat. Our ideology is in it’s infancy and we are regarded as perhaps angry women hating losers who live in our parents basements. I don’t condone what the Amazing Atheist said in his posts. I don’t think rape is funny and I don’t think rape should be taken lightly. Clearly TAA had reached a level of frustration and lost all self control to limit his language and tone. For that you want him cast from your group? No human is perfect and he certainly made a GIGANTIC misstep; I’m not arguing that. I am arguing that there is a barrage of misogyny coming from MRA forums. I am the first to admit that there is often a very angry tone to some commentators that the MRM attracts but do you honestly wonder why? Is there not a vast difference in jail sentences for the same crimes perpetrated by men and women? Is there not a general sexist slant in divorce and family court decisions? Is there not a Maury Povich show airing on TV any given day proclaiming that “He…. Is NOT the father”? Why are 80% of the homeless men? What kind of outcry would there be if it were 80% women? 97% of workplace deaths are men, is this not something that deserves attention? These are just a small sampling of the issues being disused within the MRM. Equality. Real true equality for all is the goal of the MRM. Gender stereotyping is not a one way street. As for anger, I recall a group of females who took to the streets in the 50′s that were widely described as “angry man-haters” . Coincidence?

timmacinnis

Typo in above post, paragraph 2. I am arguing that there is NOT a barrage of misogyny coming from MRA forums.

Gnumann

That is why you fail.

The MRA movement is mainly about antifeminism and the right to children as property. For the most part the antihumanism and antifemism is not even covert.

timmacinnis

“The MRA movement is mainly about antifeminism and the right to children as property. For the most part the antihumanism and antifemism is not even covert.” Feminism is flawed, equality=/= special treatment. Anti-human? Are men not human? Can you read? I do not condone…. ??? Why don’t you argue any of the points I made? Oh right because they are truths. As for children as property… you should talk to the biased family court and divorce courts about this one. Men should be treated the same as women = misogyny? Right (eye roll)

John Morales

[1] The Men’s Rights Movement (MRM) and it’s activists (MRA’s) are nowadays in the same boat. Our ideology is in it’s infancy and we are regarded as perhaps angry women hating losers who live in our parents basements. [2] I don’t condone what the Amazing Atheist said in his posts. I don’t think rape is funny and I don’t think rape should be taken lightly. [3] Clearly TAA had reached a level of frustration and lost all self control to limit his language and tone. For that you want him cast from your group? [4] No human is perfect and he certainly made a GIGANTIC misstep; I’m not arguing that. [5] I am arguing that there is not a barrage of misogyny coming from MRA forums.

1. I see your nascent ideology prompts you to defend The Amazing Rape-Celebrating Atheist.

2. So you state.

3. Consider the qualities of someone who requires constant self-control to avoid behaving abominably. Is that who you want in your group?

4. You’re not arguing it, you’re minimising it.

5. Assertion is a poor form of argument.

timmacinnis

Oh guess what… I was raped. Yeah. I just got raped just now as I type this. Oh… I’m just someone typing on a computer but trust me… I was raped. #1.. See #2 , #3 If I had said that then I suppose it would have shown up in type.. but it didn’t because I never said that. Understand? #4 I get the feeling that talking about it at all would be minimizing in your mindset. #5DUH.. You should share this bit of advice with one Daniel Fincke “As is the regular barrage of misogyny coming from MRA forums ” . Don’t ague with the points I actually made about the need for a MRM that would just be silly.

chuckeedee

Surely, as immature as TJ’s comments were, what TJ bellowed only matters if what he was bellowing about was serious. Rape is not serious. The meaning of rape has changed under feminism, or haven’t we noticed? Women can lie about rape, and yet get off scott-free… remember the Duke Lacrosse case? So clearly, lying about something where the lying is not prosecuted, implies that what is being lied about must not be serious (that the men named were unjustly persecuted is an entirly different matter). These days, a woman can consent to sex, then regret it the next day, and have the man charged with rape merely on her say-so. Again, same problem… rape amounts to a woman experiencing a change of heart. Yes, unpleasantnesses and regrets can be unfortunate, and sometimes the degenerates that women allow to ejaculate inside them can be vermin to whom I also wouldn’t give the time of day, but the reality is that rape is as trivial as a woman… changing her mind. At the heart of the issue is, if it’s ok to lie about rape, or if it’s ok to change your mind the next day and call it date-rape, then rape is clearly not a big deal. These days we have every manner of rape, from date-rape, to full-moon rape, to I-changed-my-mind rape, as we move to sex-without-consent-form rape. This is how I read the point that TJ was making. TJ was making a most important point… perhaps not with much class, but then again, perhaps that was also a part of his point. Feminists and their victim toadies have no class, so it is fair to treat them in kind.

So sad to see TJ backtrack on this. He really didn’t have to.

Rape is simply not the big deal that it used to be before feminism opened our eyes. Or are we still hung up on patriarchal definitions of women as property? Women are not the fragile little wall-flowers that the chivalrous white knights and old-world patriarchs seem to imagine them to be. Haven’t we heard? “I am Woman! Hear me ROAR!”

Or do we want women to have it both ways? To have the freedom to fuck who they want, along with the freedom to lock them in the slammer if they didn’t perform to expectations? Let them have the first freedom, maybe, if they really want it, but definitely not along with the second.

Surely, if women can lie about rape with impunity, we have justification to regard anyone playing the rape-victim card as a LIAR? Ipso facto, TJ’s comment might be silly and immature, but it is not the melodrama that others are trying to paint it to be. Now if Lorrdernie provided us with evidence that she(?) is telling the truth and experienced something terrible(??), that might be a different matter. This has not been done. We are simply expected to take her word on it, like we are expected to take the word of any alleged “rape” victim. Lorrdernie is a liar. It is a preumption, in the absence of evidence and in conjunction with what has transpired under feminism, that we are all entitled to make. I am sensibly presuming that Lorrdernie is a liar, and anyone who presumes that she (?) is telling the truth is a fool. A genuine rape victim would not go trumping her experience and treating it as a victim-card in an online forum. This is a very feminist thing to do, it is the very exact thing that a feminist WOULD do.

Having said this, I do regard rape, IN THE ORIGINAL, PRE-FEMINIST MEANING OF THE WORD, as very serious, and we should never wish anything so terrible on anyone. But this is not what we are talking about. These days, rape is just not that serious. The meaning of the word has changed. Rape, these days, is about as meaningful and life-altering as a bad-hair day.

http://www.facebook.com/DeannaJoy Deanna Joy Lyons

You are so wrong and so bigoted. All the things you said above? Complete BS.

The vast majority of rapes go unreported because people doubt the victims the way you do. There is a tiny, tiny portion of the ones that are reported that are false.

Also, Lorrdernie is a man.

chuckeedee

“because people doubt the victims the way you do. There is a tiny, tiny portion of the ones that are reported that are false.”

How do you know this? Of course you don’t. Responsible academics and researchers are constantly debunking such unfounded assertions with sources and facts. I know these won’t interest you because you’ve made up your mind, so I won’t waste my time listing them out.

It’s always so much fun when the influx of MRAs saying MRAs aren’t so bad brings with it the MRA rape denialists. They’re collectively self-refuting.

Illuminata, Genie in the Beer Bottle

You have to admit, that MRAs can’t help but to refute themselves and out themselves as blatant liars is very handy. I mean, they even give themselves enough rope to hang themselves. Their complete inability to maintain the “we’re good guys!” facade is wonderful.

But seriously – feminism is about rape as something done to the woman who is raped, not to her owner. Feminism is about rape as a crime against the person as opposed to a property crime.

chuckeedee

Feminism is not about anything other than lies and extracting entitlements over and above what tradition has normally incorporated into gender roles. Feminism is naught but chivalry taken to the nth degree, enshrined in law, and required of men. Where traditionally, chivalry was an expression of respect between men and women based in obligations required of both men and women, these days, feministic chivalry is devoid of respect, driven by misandry, and entirely one-way, with very few obligations required of women.

Feminism as chivalry is different to traditional chivalry in only one way… it demands entitlements (affirmative action, government handouts, court biases, denial of rights, etc) from men in favor of women, rather than relying on men’s and women’s better natures. That’s all that feminism is about.

Rumtopf

Relying on better natures, natures like yours? OH I see that going swimmingly.

John Morales

Surely, as immature as TJ’s comments were, what TJ bellowed only matters if what he was bellowing about was serious. Rape is not serious.

Neither are you, troll.

The meaning of rape has changed under feminism, or haven’t we noticed? Women can lie about rape, and yet get off scott-free… remember the Duke Lacrosse case? So clearly, lying about something where the lying is not prosecuted, implies that what is being lied about must not be serious (that the men named were unjustly persecuted is an entirly different matter).

Cargo-cult argumentation is risible.

Having said this, I do regard rape, IN THE ORIGINAL, PRE-FEMINIST MEANING OF THE WORD, as very serious, and we should never wish anything so terrible on anyone.

I utterly disbelieve your claim.

(You wrote “So sad to see TJ backtrack on this. He really didn’t have to.”, remember?)

chuckeedee

“I utterly disbelieve your claim.”

Of course you would. It’s a given, isn’t it?

Illuminata, Genie in the Beer Bottle

This is a MRA-mocking poe, right? There aren’t people on earth so full of hate, lies and anger that they actually believe any of this obvious bullshit, right?

If he’s serious, he must think the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it.

chuckeedee

“There aren’t people on earth so full of hate, lies and anger that they actually believe any of this obvious bullshit, right?”

hahaha cute. Some comments are so opposite, so ridiculous, they’re funny lol

SallyStrange: bottom-feeding, work-shy peasant

You have trouble with this whole “reality” thing, don’t you? It’d be sad if you weren’t so pathetically hateful.

tim macinnis

MRA’s and people in the MRM aren’t the ones who “have trouble with reality”; the exact opposite is true. When you consider the outright bias against men in society as a whole from zero legal parental surrender to 97% workplace death, bias in courts, health care and so on is absolutely incredible. The fact that the majority of people continue to think in a herd mentality of “equality” which involves quotas and special rights and a “preponderance of guilt” when sentencing a suspected sexual assault defendant and not innocent until proven guilty is stunning once you open your eyes to misandry around you everyday. I’m male so I’m creepy if I’m not attractive and dashing if I am. I’m violent if I raise my voice in anger while a woman is empowered. Things are changing. A day will come when all of western society will see what a mistake it was ignoring for so long women’s biologically and naturally evolved psychological tendencies towards self-interest. The evolutionary psychological view of women will prove itself day after day. Divorce rates will continue to climb, marriage rate decline and birthrate decline. Muslims on the other hand….. well we’ll see what Europe looks like in 25yrs.

I like TJ. If you would watch some of his other videos, you would know he makes offensive statements all the time, but is a big advocate for LGBT and Women’s rights. Feminists can be annoying as fuck, so he said it. Big woop, if you get offended that easily, you really shouldn’t be on the internet.

Fuckyouimgone

THAT WAS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE EVER READ ahahahhaa thank you so much that chat log made me die of laughter.

Joe

I recall “TheAmazingAtheist” from years ago on YouTube. He was about 20 when he first started and looked 40, and he initially used to rock back an forth as he pontificated like a patient on the day room of a mental ward – very disturbing.

Then his inexplicable YouTube fame exploded, for reasons I have never understood. I suspect muchof his following isn’t old enough to drive, frankly. His whole schlick is sort of a would be fusion of George Carlon and Sam Kennison, with maybe a little Bruce Vilanch thrown in. Far from being erudite, the guy doesn’t even have a high school diploma or GED, yet he regards himself as perhaps the 5th horseman of the new atheist movement. It really underscores everything that is wrong with YouTube and the pseudo celebrity status that can so easily be obtained there.

There is no evidence whatsoever that TJ was ever the victim of a crime. If he was I certainly have compassion fornhimnand it might explain some of his antisocial behavior. But given his track record and the convenience of this claim, I am extremely skeptical.

I applaud Dan Fincke for exposing this vile disgrace for a human being! One cannot defend, justify or glorify something as cowardly, despicable and violent as rape – just as one cannot do that for murder, torture or any other unspeakable cruelty against another being!!! It is irrelevant if the perpetrator and his/her proponent is atheist, religious, liberal, conservative or something else – they are still purveyors of unspeakable atrocities and for anyone to pander to such individuals – because they’re part of a like minded intellectual club – they deserve to be shunned as well! Cruelty occurs when the observer stays silence… It is that silence that is complicit in fostering and promoting all kinds of disgusting behaviour…. Hence the onus is on the rest of us to raise our voices and condemn it!!!

David

LOL, Daniel, you are pathetic trying to use the Internet as your own army.

Mari

Ive never really cared much for theAmazingAtheist. There are some atheists on the YT – channel that I think has made fair points,or at least has some interesting viewpoints, weather its criticism of islam and other religions or other philosophical questions.

The most that Ive come across on YT all too often have very prejudiced viewpoints – but that I mean either all – palestinians – or – arabs – are – terrorists kind of viewpoints or all – jews – are -trying – to – dominate – the – world – and – the – Holocaust – is – fake – kind of viewpoints.

Thats actually how tragic the whole YT – community is. Well, almost.

Me, personally, I rather stick to famous people like Dawkins and Harris, instead, cause theres at least people with who argue rationally on what they believe, not people like theAmazingAtheist or almost any other Ive come across on YT. Least not in my book.

BTW, its not really the first time he has come up with ignorant arguments:

Ugh…awful.

Tell you the truth, I really wouldnt look for reasonable atheists on YT, cause much of the YT – community is_tragic.

Mari

And for the record, peeps, Im not a feminist, but I totally agree with the author.

Rapists are NOT heroes, they are dominating pricks.

What on earth does rape have to do with feminism?lol. Someone elses body is not somebody elses property, end of story.

Imagine your own daughter, sister, etc was raped,what would you do?

“Rape is not serious”.Again, genious, imagine that was someone close to you, what would you do?

Astrochronic

After reading this article and the hilarious comment that inspired it, I think I will find this guy and subscribe to him. Sounds like who ever he was talking to deserved it. I have met women like that, who just claim they were raped so they can pull the victim card, then they think they have a get out of jail free card to piss on anyone else and say horrible rotten shit to them. What kind of spaz gets so offended over this they write a whole blog about it? So dumb. Any publicity is good publicity.

Bess

From the feminine POV – I’ve met ‘em too. Women who make claims of being victimized when, in truth, they are just looking for pity, or a way out of an argument they know they cannot win. But, I always give people the benefit of the doubt on things like that. Because, if they are telling the truth and then I call bullshit on them, well… that’s the bottom of the cruel barrel.

I’ve seen several of this Amazing Atheist’s videos on YouTube before dumping his sorry a$$ from my subscriptions. Not only is he a sexist, misogynist pig; he also does not come off as much of an atheist. Sure, he can put “F**k you” and “Jesus Christ” in the same sentence. But that’s not what it means to be an atheist. Everything else he says sounds like the rantings of some right-wing tea-bag nut-jobber. And they’re usually pretty devout Christians.

To the Amazing Atheist – I quote Nick Nolte form 48 hours: “Any man who talks about women like you… can’t get it up anyhow.”

Anonym

An atheist simply doesn’t believe in any God…you’re committing the “no true Scotsman” fallacy. I definitely disagree with him on feminism, but that doesn’t make him entirely sexist. Some feminists are just plain wacky, like anyone else.

He’s had a girlfriend for years and they recently got married.

Trenton Lambert

What does saying “Fuck you” and “jesus christ” in the same sentence have to do with anything? Seth MacFarlane does it many times in Family Guy and other works, and he’s atheist. Why don’t you get on HIS ass?

Theodore

Did you even read his comment or are your comprehension skills that bad? He’s saying it takes more to be an athiest than just saying “F#@% Jesus” or “F#@% religion”.

Anonym

He didn’t say that. He made fun of her, but it wasn’t in the same league as the post you quoted. The elevator encounter had nothing to do with rape and maybe the guy just wanted coffee! He might have gone over-board on the name-calling, but that’s part of his persona. Accusing him of condoning rape is basically slander.

I’m neither a fanboy or an atheist, but come on.

Anonym

Terroja is a fan channel of his old stuff. Even if that is him, he didn’t mean it. It’s a sick joke, but it doesn’t make him a rape apologist.

Nick P. Marton

Just a person who’s buttons have been pushed too far. Everyone has exaggeratedly insulted someone just to hurt them, just to get them off their back. Where is the screenshot of all of her posts. Was she spamming him? Was she consistently insulting him for no reason? Being a rape victim doesn’t excuse a person from being an asshole, you know. People go overboard when they are angry and anger clouds judgement.

I am too mature and forgiving to blanket judge and entire person based on one moment of weakness. Yes, he may have gone a little too far, but who here hasn’t? Do people forget we are humans and make mistakes? I can’t just blanket-judge someone based on one anger-clouded outburst. It’s not “evil.” It’s “pushed too far.”

Show us both sides of the conversation.

MrErection

Stupid woman. Go cook me a burger or its five across the eyes for you

Trenton Lambert

This message contains errors and just collections of words TAA would never use. He’s admitted to being abused sexually, and has countless videos against rape. This whole thing looks like a article to turn people against him.

Trenton Lambert

“exclusionary to nearly all women”

He isn’t feminist. He really only bashes on women who are idiots (as he does men), and extremest feminist.