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Yes, John, and it's your choice to ignore every question I have asked.

Matt, I did not say you used "Fembot and Twat."

as for "factual" what is the point of phrases like "back the fuck off"? If that's how you like to express yourself, whatever, but using phrases like that on a forum like A/N makes me think you are quick to anger and indignation for no apparent reason. Just so you're aware - I'm not saying you should change how you express yourself, simply explaining how you come across to me.

Wow! If gender were actually irrelevant this incident wouldn't have spawned such controversy.

not emotional just factual. its all about freedom and the maturity to act in a free sociaty and still alow freedoms for everyone.

"So there is no place in Atheism for "shy little girls"? How about shy little boys?"

its about personal responsibility and personal confidence. gender is irrelevant.

I would tell them the same thing.

BTW.....

I am NOT the one saying "fembot" and Twat" o.k.? I think that the misrepresentation/mispronunciations of someone's name just to make points is not making points in an argument, it is childish and petty. so back the fuck off on that one.

"Can you (Jonh and Matt) not see that you are doing precisely the same thing that she did?

Telling someone else how to behave in a given situation?"

not like her. she espouses that others change for her. I espouse taking charge of your own life and dont let others dictate how you feel. its not up to them.

(as noted in my previous statements).

you are more than welcome back any time.

heat is sometimes good. eh?

and sometimes all ya wana do is come in and kick a beehive.

we are all emotional beings....its o.k..... ;)

as long as we dont start throwing small animals at each other I think we will be o.k.

;)

cheers&aloha

"..I have a broad back and thick skin..I am a plane spoken man and one thing I request is that my opponents alow me the same respect...." Socrates

....that our words will not be censored so we may fully know each others minds...M.Alan Warren

So there is no place in Atheism for "shy little girls"? How about shy little boys?

Personally I want Atheism to spread - everywhere - I want more little girls and boys growing up knowing that hell and heaven are both fictions invented to control them.

Say fembot and twat all you like you are simply proving the point that sexism is a problem, sexism like religion is part of our shared social inheritance. Being an atheist - secularist etc. does not make you immune. That is a valid point.

Can you (Jonh and Matt) not see that you are doing precisely the same thing that she did?

Telling someone else how to behave in a given situation?

That was my point.

I had never visited her site before today but thanks to your obvious ire I thought I would - very interesting - I will likely visit again.

As for kicking a bee hive Matt, I was attempting to engage in a discussion, I had no idea that you'd get all emotional.

As to the mention of "Assrape" - I was trying to point out that as someone who gets numerous messages suggesting she get raped (as a corrective measure for whatever...) that was likely an element of her state of mind at the time.

If she were a "Shy little girl" she would not be speaking publically.

Fembot nitwit- wow...

People complain that there are not enough women involved in Atheist events and she gets completely slammed for bringing up a valid point as to one reason that could be so...

Saying "just tell him to fuck off" or "kick him in the nuts" is basically saying her response was inadequate, Suggesting elevator dude not proposition someone in an elevator - after all those other factors Donegal mentioned - is encouraging him to police Hiw OWN behaviour - something Women have been told forever. That is the sticking point of this "debate."