VRT manifolds: ATP v. Kinetic

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Looking for input from someone who has taken a good look at both, maybe even side by side. The Kinetic unit looks to have more defined runners but I'm not sure if the ATP one is similar on the inside or not. Also the Kinetic has relief cutouts on the flange, which seems like a good idea to me. However, the ATP unit looks like it would retain more heat due to the greater mass (but also be heavier). Lastly, do they both position the turbo in the same place, or is the Kinteic a little lower (looks so in pics).

What are the current options for high flow, stock style (K03/K04) exhaust manifolds (longitudinal / Passat / A4) ? Price, quality, performance, fitment, nut/bolt accessibility, retail sources? Seems many of the early offerings have had cracking issues. Any more recent offerings? AT...

I am looking for a rock solid exhaust manifold for my K03 Hybrid Turbo Setup. We all know there is - Kinetic and lots of clones - ATP - JBS I have gone thru 3 kinetics, all cracked at the bolt near the motor. Also to fasten the nuts and bolts is really a pain. Are there any other ma...

I have a vrt I'm wrapping up and need to setup for the final exhaust setup, currently it's good enough for short road tests but nothing else. I'm trying to avoid the custom route only because I'll have to trailer the car 2.5 hours to the closest shop with a mandrel bender then trailer it back.......

Trying to install turbo on my mk2 vr6 gti. What I have is atp clone exhaust manifold, seems as tho the turbo touches throttle body (I'm using stock intake manifold currently) basically turbo seems to sit too high? Am I an idiot? Other question is does the kinetic one sit and fit differently...

so as some of you know im piecing together a kinetic stage 2 kit. one of my last missing links is the down pipe, i have a kinetic 60 trim turbo with the stage 2 compressor housing on it. im wondering if this down pipe will bolt up to the kinetic turbo? i also made a thread in FI section, but si...

I need a 3" downpipe for my stage 3 kinetic vrt. What is a decent option? I've seen atp downpipes but they say they are only compatible with the atp exhaust mani.Haven't really seen any other options other than the atp 3" dp for the mk4.