scye27wrote:
There are local, state, and referendums on the ballot. Leave the president spot blank if you need to, but everyone should still vote for the other offices on there. 88% of congressional seats will be on this ballot.

If anyone wants actual change, it has to come from the local level up.

^ That.

Congress has been able to keep the government ground to a halt for 8 years. Everyone absolutely loathes them but no one ever actually does much about it. They just vote down the line for their "team" regardless of how awful and keep re-electing the same suit wearing rectal cysts over and over.

What does voting do? I would seriously like to know. In the end we will be bitching about the same problems for another 8 years. Does it really matter at this point, because I think people are more concerned about Media, and entertainment. Contracts, and sales.

im not even old enough to vote but guys please, only about half of registered voters vote anyway and i'm sure this years turnout with be astoundingly low. this year is not the year for protest voting. any third party votes are a vote for trump. and even if you don't like hillary. even if you hate her with a burning fiery passion, at least let me remind you:

at least she's been in office before.
i know "just because she's a woman doesn't mean she's automatically better" but honestly how would anyone know? have you noticed the lack of women in government positions *cough cough* (i obviously realize that there are women in government positions, i'm just saying there isn't a lot, compared to how many men there are, and how many men there have been i the past.)

honestly im just disgusted with america, and im sure a lot of other countries are too, but y'all are gonna have to suck it up and vote hillary. at least she doesn't go around grabbing women by the pussy

tl;dr it really does matter. it doesn't seem like it does, but hardly anyone votes, especially among people 18-34. your vote counts. it's your country too. you're going to have to live with the next president for four years, like it or not. make your vote count
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p20-577.pdf

shit i s o u n d like a psa. but seriously. this is a year it really matters.

im regretting saying anything my inbox is just going to be spammed with people telling me to fuck off or that my opinions are shit and im not even eighteen so my opinion doesn't matter. ((but i live in this country too, unfortunately))

Here's the thing, your votes don't actually matter- It's all about the electoral college. It's sad but this is the system we have.

This is such and uninformed, cop-out response, that it sickens me.

Does the system suck? Yes, by and large it does.
Is there ANY other nonviolent way to change it other than voting people into office that are willing to try changing it, and more importantly, voting out those who just want to maintain the status quo?

No, there isn't. Sitting on your asses and not voting at all is about the worst thing you can do if you don't like the way the system works. You're contributing to the status quo. It's exactly that attitude that got us where we are today.

Don't be a passive consumer of politics the way many people are of media.

Don't like the candidates? Write in who you think will do a better job.

im regretting saying anything my inbox is just going to be spammed with people telling me to fuck off or that my opinions are shit and im not even eighteen so my opinion doesn't matter. ((but i live in this country too, unfortunately))

No worries, @0kayDamMundies. Trump would make a horrific President, both in policy and disposition. I'm not voting for Clinton, but I really can't begrudge you wishing I would. If my vote could go to a state with a bit more sway, I'd have probably sucked it up and registered a couple of weeks ago.

As an independent I was already inclined to sit this election out. After being bombarded by both candidates disgusting attack ads. I absolutely am staying home. Both party candidates are revolting so the best way to protest is to make voter turn out so low that whichever one of those two bottom feeders win, it will be clear that they do not have a "mandate" and the only reason they hold the office is because they managed to drive enough of their party's rabid dogs to the polls to squeeze out a win.
I think this is the year to "protest the vote". Maybe, just maybe, if voter turnout is low enough. The two parties will stop trying to force feed us shit options.

bernardwheelerjrwrote:
I think this is the year to "protest the vote". Maybe, just maybe, if voter turnout is low enough. The two parties will stop trying to force feed us shit options.

Actually, if you don't vote, they can force feed you all the shit they want. After all, you aren't saying no. You're not saying anything.

That said, I refuse to vote for anyone I don't want to win. So I'm sitting this one out. I don't want Clinton OR Trump in office. But I also don't have any illusions that the major political parties will be somehow hurt or upset that I didn't vote.

While the thought of sitting it out has often crossed my mind, I don't think that is making any kind of difference singularly. While I suspect low voter turnout, people are still going to vote, and one or the other will win barring some unheard of turn of events.

I just can't believe this is even happening. I don't want either of them as president. However, there are other votes to be made, so I will be there.

I'm going vote on the props i want some to pass & fail as far as the president I will write a random name in
both these candidates fail to impress me!
* I'm voting to keep death penalty I voted yes last time going due it again.. it passed before then Aclu. went on a crying spree
* it's back on the ballot screw it i am eye for eye when it comes to death penalty.

I'm conflicted as well. I was considering voting for Evan McMullin but I'm a bit cautious after seeing( image related ) what is being talked about as being the Clinton Foundation's "voter suppression list" which pays people and organizations to put their votes/persuade people into putting their votes into places. My candidate's name was on that list along with some other famous personalities and companies. I'm currently trying to verify if this list is factual or not and if it isn't then I'll just have to fall back to who I believe will appoint the better Supreme Court Justices. I sadly believe that will be Trump getting my vote if this list is true as the thought of losing my gun rights among a few other things sickens me. Regardless of all everything regarding this election I think sitting out the vote is not a credible alternative.

Dude unless you are in the terrorist watch list, or you have psychological issues - Hillary won't take away your gun.
Please inform yourself by visiting reliable sources of information such as democracynow.org.

Nope, voting Trump because another 4 years of a Democrat in party would be bad, and for someone who should be in jail will not end well for the country. Really got to ignore all the personal stuff and vote based on what they have done in the past, not by what they say the will do. I see a successful businessman, vs a lifelong politician that lies and takes bribes (called donations)

Even if you don't want to vote for a president, it IS important to vote for the stuff at State level, including any new laws being put to the vote. I blame all the non-voters for the bad 8 years of Obama as much as I do as the people who, for some reason, voted for him.

The Democrats are fighting for non-citizens to be able to vote, the least a real citizen can do is to vote. :p

Dude unless you are in the terrorist watch list, or you have psychological issues - Hillary won't take away your gun.
Please inform yourself by visiting reliable sources of information such as democracynow.org.

Circling back around on guns as a follow up to the Friday morning discussion: the Today show has indicated they definitely plan to ask bout guns, and so to have the discussion be more of a news event than her previous times discussing guns, we are going to background reporters tonight on a few of the specific proposals she would support as President - universal background checks of course, but also closing the gun show loophole by executive order and imposing manufacturer liability.