WILLIAM BRANHAM QUESTION/?

Let's say William Branham was a good guy.Let's say william Branham tried really hard to studythe bible, and he tried hard to tell people the truth,and he never cared about money.Let's say William Branham got the point across to the people - they should not sin, and should live a totally different life.Let's say William Branham was not perfect.

Now, let's suppose thousands of people read Branham's booklets, and some of those thousands go out to preach the bible. There will be thousands of people all trying hard, and every one of them not perfect. And some of those thousands will be 100% interested in money, and they will be among the others.

But there will also be thousands of people who are in there, with the ones who are trying hard ot be good Christians - but these thousands of people don't really care about being 'too' good - they just want to be hypocrites. That is the Branham situation and it's the same for all churches in the world. The good guys, and the not so good guys, and the complete swine, interested ONLY in money.

I was driving home from school today and I was just thinking about how messed up my childhood was. I was trying to think in my head like how I would explain to someone on the outside what it really is like on the inside. It's so crazy!I think that is why I am still socially awkward. My best friends and my husband are ex message believers. It's so hard to relate to ppl outside.I can be friends with them but because I am so different it's hard to get close. I feel like when I tell them about how I was raised they kind of withdrawl. It's kind of like when the Amish leave the Amish and they form there own little ex-amish cities. I have my own little ex-message community around me.

I know this guy that beleives that the CIA is out to get him. He has shown me quotes to prove his point.He has told me that he knew about things that happened that he knew were going to happen before they happened. That's why the CIA wants to get rid of him.

Prophet or dellusional?

People have used Visions and messages from God to great things and Horrible nasty things.

My (quite extensive) experience has shown me that there are three kinds of people that claim to be Christians.

1. Those that want to be spoon fed so that they don't have to think for themselves. They enjoy powerful leaders to tell them what to do.

2. True beleivers that "Walk the Talk" and have a one on one experience with their faith and God

3. Hypocrits and Deceivers. These are the people that tell you that questioning is wrong and leads to the road to hell. They act like bullies and vultures picking on those they think are weaker than themselves. They treat the misfortune of others as a sign of God's displeasure. The cast out and "Loose" and shun those that don't go with the program.

It is too bad that the first and the third go hand in hand. They also believe that Branham was a prophet.

I read where you blamed a victim of abuse for the abuse. Love pickin on women don't you mister E-9. Every woman that you can't controll must be a whore. Have some issues with frustration and impure thoughts? You have an answer for everything but explain nothing. I have read your circular arguments and you accusitory non-answers and you remind me of a lot of "Message" blowhards I used to know. FYI constant repitition of a lie does not magically turn it into the truth.

Shaming and shunning your group is really good at that. This is not the work of a follower of Christ.

Branham "prophesied" about the self-driving egg-shaped car years AFTER a magazine published concept art that exactly matches his description. In the picture, there was a family of four playing cards. Who plays cards with their family anymore? Everyone would be messing with cell phones or video games or watching a movie or eating. Not cards! The "prophesy" was obviously plagiarized from that 1930s drawing.

The women DO NOT wear "strange simple clothing" they wear normal clothes like you see everyone else wearing with the exception that the skirts/dress aren't mini, hense modest which is what EVERY WOMEN should be wearing if she takes pride in her body.

The women DO wear make up and jewelry if they so desire and they even dye their hair like any other woman.

The females DO NOT marry young unless you consider mid 20's young.

They DO NOT pump out babies like the Mormons. The largest family I saw only had 5 kids. Most averaged 3 children.

The church Does NOT cater to the "rural class". All classes attend...even from large cities with running water!

They DO have educations, doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers etc.

They ARE in touch with the outside world. They have tv's, radios, computers, IPhones, Ipods etc. and even read newspapers...shocking huh?

They DO NOT believe in a fantasy or think the world can end at any moment and therefore don't believe in paying bills...that is the most obsurd thing so far I've heard about the church.

They are the most loving, Bible based, and spiritually led group of people I have ever met. They believe in the Bible in it's entirety and love people for who they are.

Women are to be respected and held on a pedestal. They DO NOT beleieve women are the "lowest form".

They are the first to welcome you, to lend a hand, to give money and the shirt of their back when you are down.

They are a wonderful group of believing christians NOT some cult!

If you want to see for yourself attend a service or watch a live video feed or even an archived video of a service at www.flagstafftabernacle.com. Try it you'll see :)

Putting women on a pedestal is still misogyny. Once you create an ideal woman and put her on a pedestal, every other woman inevitably falls short and is punished for it. Branham's followers divide women into "pure" and "impure" and they call "impure" women (by their standards) lower than animals. Branham did so himself. He called them worse than "hog sows" for doing no more than wearing some freaking eyeshadow. Just google it. It's "funny" how the only women who weren't called horrible names were women who OBEYED BRANHAM. No shit he liked those women! They helped make his career.

While we're on this ridiculous tangent, there is a hell of a big difference between a "mini" skirt and the huge, cumbersome drapey things the Message women have to wear. Not to mention the fact that not being allowed to wear pants is a doctrine designed to keep women from doing hard labor, playing sports or at any time forgetting that they are on display and living independent lives. Quit trying to make women's clothing into a zero-sum game. We are not "sluts" if we don't conform to YOUR dress code. We are not the ones disrespecting our bodies by wearing normal things like jeans and tank tops. You are the ones trying to disrespect us, and you should be ashamed of projecting your own lusts on total strangers. Perverts.

Do you know how many Message fathers check over their daughters' outfits before they leave the house to make sure they're not sexually appealing? You must be a sick person to defend a doctrine that encourages men to look at their daughters that way. The Message female dress code is all about excusing men for their own lusts and going AGAINST the teachings of Jesus that the lustful thoughts in a man's head were for HIM to deal with, not the woman who happened to be walking by.

Don't you dare chide us about judging your precious Branham. The Message is based on judgment. It's based on hatred of women, modernity and even other Christians - you don't get to say "judge not" and call everyone who disagrees with you the "mark of the beast." Unless you're nothing but a flaming hypocrite.

the bible says that the lord is my sheperd. and as you know that sheep knows the voice of their leader.only those who are from god will hear my voice when i call them . i can clearly see you are not one of the sheep. you better start to pray.may god have mercy on your soul.

I thought he was legit at first. Why would he follow the pagan stuff of the Roman Catholic church. He is not restoring anything just following the harlot.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 496726

....WHO IS FOLLOWING THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH? THE WHORE OF REVELATION 17 AND 18.... I HAVE READ W. BRANHAM'S BOOKS AND HEARD SOME MESSAGE PREACHED BY HIM COMPARED THEM WITH SCRIPTURES, LINE UPON LINE AND HE IS VERY ACCURATE...... AND HE IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE GREAT WHORE (CATHOLIC CHURCH)...YOU BETTER GET RIGHT AND BETTER INFORMATION.

the bible says that the lord is my sheperd. and as you know that sheep knows the voice of their leader.only those who are from god will hear my voice when i call them . i can clearly see you are not one of the sheep. you better start to pray.may god have mercy on your soul.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1364484

Matthew 5:28...But I say unto you, that if a man looks on a woman to lust after her, has committed adultery with her already in his heart. this are the Words of Jesus Christ to HIS followers... the man has committed adultery with her,...the cause is the woman with her reavealing filthy clothing...makes a man lust and commit adultery with her...

You a sincere child of God. What you are trying to do is win souls to God.This is not the podium for it. Remember pray before you embark on approughing anyone whome you need discuss heavenly things because you may find your self in the permisive will of God and the scorner trampling on gold that was meant for a potentail child of God. In so doing you will be responsible for the scorner's condemnation. Please tread carfully and be wise in these things.

the scripture also says that cain is of that wicked one...adam wasn't the wicked one ??? scripture doesn't contradict itself but your interpretation makes it fight the truth and doesn't flow. it's a bible doctrine not bro branham's doctrine. the serpent had a seed which is a child or a son and who would that be ???? Yes, it is Cain!

the scripture says your deeds testify who your father is and cains actions testify that adam was not his father but was of the serpent

Quoting: david 1070492

Spiritually speaking Cain was of the wicked one, not literally i.e. gone the way no repenting. God asked him if he made it right ( the sacrifice) would he not be accepted also. We know that Cain did not make it right....

Let me ask you this….does this mean that Peter is Satan? After all, Jesus told him… get the behind me Satan….

David, Serpent seed does not fly.

Quoting: Slap of Truth 1091420

you probably think eating an apple or apricot does fly...whatever

yep, cain is of the wicked one literally. cain was never mentioned in the geneology of adam...NEVER!

HC,I am really sorry for what you went through growing up. I can totally relate to what you’re talking about. My dad too is a minister of the message of the hour, and I also left the message – when I was 21 years of age. Now it’s totally hard to fully socialize with people outside the message – in many levels they do not understand your line of thinking; and when you talk about your days growing up, it all sounds very weird to them. As I write this, most of my friends are still in the message. Yet to me the kind of person I would yearn to have by my side as a best friend is someone who has been there with me – the ex message believer – an extremely rare kind of person to come across. But I am extremely happy for you that you’re married to an ex message believer. As this group grows larger and larger, we will indeed create a community of people who were unfortunate enough to grow up in this isolationist, secretive, discriminatory cult, where we can at last feel the warmth of being around people who are a hundred per cent like us.

Sis Sharon,I am also from Kenya, Africa. I used to attend the Bible Believers Tabernacle in Nairobi where Brother Kamwatti is Pastor. I also know a sister named Sharon from the same church who perfectly fits your description and it looks like – well – I might know you. I would like to address your idea that in Christianity, we swallow things without applying any thinking, no matter how ridiculous they are. Like you put it – ‘we just believe – no matter how insane it is.’ Now if this is the case, does this mean, for instance, that Jehovah’s Witnesses are right – no matter how twisted their interpretations of the Bible are – just because they believe? They do believe in their doctrines for sure - no matter how insane they are – but they are still wrong. Do you realize that this assertion of ‘just believing, no matter what’ can be used to protect EACH AND EVERY false doctrine on this planet?

Secondly, when you claim to have a single watertight belief, then all aspects of that belief should be congruent to each other. Branhamites claim to believe in both the Bible and Branham, even though Branham contradicts the Bible in countless instances (See John Kennah’s website for further explanations.) The assertion of believing fully in both Branham and the Bible moves towards a logical fallacy. Sharon, our parents were lied to and they unfortunately swallowed the lies, since they were born in an age when information was hard to access, making it difficult to cross check everything they were told. As for us, we’re simply victims of lifelong mental conditioning. But we’re now powerfully armed with information and technology. Please, my dear sister, launch your research today. Cross check and verify what we’ve been told about Branham: The seven church messengers, the sunset cloud, the halos of light, the prophecies, the healings – all there is, and then CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE. It’s not gonna be easy doing this, but I did it, and so should you.

As for me:When I became of age, I decided to do some further reading to confirm my belief in the Message, but ended up finding out that Branham was not a true prophet. The following are some of the major reasons for this conclusion. It’ll then fall on you to do the research and confirm them:1. The Sunset cloud story was a huge lie2. Sections of the book ‘an exposition of the seven church ages’ by Branham were stolen from Clarence Larkin’s ‘book of revelations’.3. The ‘messengers’ Martin and Columba were Bishops of the ‘Harlot’ Church of Rome, unto their death.4. The idea of seven ages and messengers is not original; it was invented by Charles Russell, founder of Jehovah’s Witnesses, in 1876, who also designated himself as the Laodicean messenger.5. The Serpent seed doctrine is not original either.6. Branham made a lot of failed prophecies.7. Alfred Pohl testified that almost all critically ill people that Branham prayed for during a crusade at Saskatoon, Canada (Pohl being Branham’s assistant during the crusade), died days after the crusade.8. The Message is extremely misogynistic.

"Matthew 5:28...But I say unto you, that if a man looks on a woman to lust after her, has committed adultery with her already in his heart. this are the Words of Jesus Christ to HIS followers... the man has committed adultery with her,..."

This part is NOT in the Bible:

"the cause is the woman with her reavealing filthy clothing...makes a man lust and commit adultery with her..."

JESUS blamed the man for his lust. BRANHAM blamed the woman. Shame on you for manipulating and torturing the scriptures to make them mean the opposite of what they actually intended.

You can call it having a "deeper revelation" or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact that you're adding things to the Bible that aren't there. Not only that, but you're also adding things that are contrary to what Jesus taught!

I am an responsible adult and I want to join WILLLLLLLLLLIAM BRAHMAN's cult because MY MIND CONTROL BRAIN PROGRAMMING IS WEARING OFF and I NEED FURTHER PROGRAMMING.

I wish people wouldn't judge so rapidly without investigating. William Branham never was a self-declared prophet. The people who listened to him preach, declared this. He was simply given the gift to preach the end time message, but not everyone will get it. There is only about 1 in a million people who will hear and decide to listen. Everyone else is too busy wrapped up in the world. Separate yourself from worldliness and allow God to talk to you. This is all Brother Branham did.

Brother William Branham was surely the End-Time Messenger spoken of in Malachi 4:5,65] Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:[6] And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

[googlevid]I feel sorry for those who have not eyes to see. From the time I was fourteen,until now,at fifty, I knew Willaim Branham was was a man sent from God. I married at twenty-one, had four children, of whom three of them still follow his teachings and are raising their own children in the Faith, also. My other son, even though he isn't currentlymaking a profession,knows it is the truth.You can't hear of the mighty things that was done through him and not believe. I am thankful I see and understand what God is doing in this day through His little elected group.I count it a privilege to know the truth of Gods Word. I can only have pity on those who make statements as some has.God is God.He knew who would and who would not believe,and He'll not lose a one of His own.

Quoting: believer 77394

[googlevid]I feel sorry for those who have not eyes to see. From the time I was fourteen,until now,at fifty, I knew Willaim Branham was was a man sent from God. I married at twenty-one, had four children, of whom three of them still follow his teachings and are raising their own children in the Faith, also. My other son, even though he isn't currentlymaking a profession,knows it is the truth.You can't hear of the mighty things that was done through him and not believe. I am thankful I see and understand what God is doing in this day through His little elected group.I count it a privilege to know the truth of Gods Word. I can only have pity on those who make statements as some has.God is God.He knew who would and who would not believe,and He'll not lose a one of His own.

[googlevid]I feel sorry for those who have not eyes to see. From the time I was fourteen,until now,at fifty, I knew Willaim Branham was was a man sent from God. I married at twenty-one, had four children, of whom three of them still follow his teachings and are raising their own children in the Faith, also. My other son, even though he isn't currentlymaking a profession,knows it is the truth.You can't hear of the mighty things that was done through him and not believe. I am thankful I see and understand what God is doing in this day through His little elected group.I count it a privilege to know the truth of Gods Word. I can only have pity on those who make statements as some has.God is God.He knew who would and who would not believe,and He'll not lose a one of His own.

Quoting: believer 77394

That is so true and I can shout a loud AMEN AMEN and AMEN to it.I am a woman and I LOVE the teachings of Br. Branham.

I have to agree with you...And NO ONE even came close to this man, not roberts, granham, NO ONE.

All of times he said "thus saith the Lord" never failed in the thousands of times he uttered those words.

God was with the man, yet humans are not? Guess I'll side with God on this one...

5 of his 7 visions have come true, the other 2 will come true also.

I spoke to two old gentlemen who saw the hand come down and write his name on the chalk board.

Concerning his doctrinal views...I am not sure, but why would it be so hard to believe in serpent seed. It makes sense to me.

Concerning the religious people who worship him, he begged them not to do it.

Concerning people who have done things in his name, and who have hurt their loved ones, or others, that is sad...BUT lets be honest...."William Branham didn't do it to you", it was someone who "CLAIMS" to be a christian, and a follower of William BRanham..

I have read quite a bit off Branham's stuff and have this to say about him...he is absolutely right on about the Bible numerics - he is one of the few who understand this...as for being Elijah- it is not Elijah per se, but the Spirit of Elijah who "makes straight the paths of the Lord"...Jesus IS coming soon - what matters is whether Brother Branham led souls to Christ. Blessings on the forum

Actually, there's substantial evidence that "Thus saith the lord" failed over and over again. Why else would Branham have been forced to explain how people who were divinely healed later died of their original illnesses? He got around the obvious failures of his "healings" by telling people that their faith faltered and they let the devil back in. How bloody convenient. So how come Jesus never told anybody in the New Testament that they might need to keep professing their healing over and over, and that they might actually feel sicker after they were healed because their bodies would need to process the dead growths, etc.? (If God can kill the demon, can't he also eliminate the necrotic tissue?)

Branham's healing: He lays hands on you and prays, then you publicly profess your belief over and over again until the "lying symptoms" go away, even though you will probably feel even worse for a while, and you must remain vigilant lest the demons of sickness that were cast out of you return even stronger. If you die, it's your fault for not believing hard enough.

Lets see you speak a word of knowledge, get it correct, then see appendages suddenly form on a human body.

And this was spoken word to individuals, speaking the secrets of their hearts was done thousands of times. There were eye witnesses who saw dramatic, sudden healings, eyes formed in empty sockets ETC.

When you find anyone else who accomplish that come back and talk to me. Your evidence is flawed.

Actually, there's substantial evidence that "Thus saith the lord" failed over and over again. Why else would Branham have been forced to explain how people who were divinely healed later died of their original illnesses? He got around the obvious failures of his "healings" by telling people that their faith faltered and they let the devil back in. How bloody convenient. So how come Jesus never told anybody in the New Testament that they might need to keep professing their healing over and over, and that they might actually feel sicker after they were healed because their bodies would need to process the dead growths, etc.? (If God can kill the demon, can't he also eliminate the necrotic tissue?)

Branham's healing: He lays hands on you and prays, then you publicly profess your belief over and over again until the "lying symptoms" go away, even though you will probably feel even worse for a while, and you must remain vigilant lest the demons of sickness that were cast out of you return even stronger. If you die, it's your fault for not believing hard enough.

And I have spoken to eye witnesses. Anyone with an open mind, not looking for excuses, and not having an agenda will see the truth about Branham. All the evidence is available to a hungry heart. If your just an agnostic, or atheist looking for excuses, or a hater, you have the wrong man.

WRONG...It didn't fail they were healed.

Lets see you speak a word of knowledge, get it correct, then see appendages suddenly form on a human body.

And this a was spoken word to individuals, revealing the secrets of their hearts. This was done thousands of times. There were eye witnesses who saw dramatic, sudden healings, eyes formed in empty sockets ETC.

When you find anyone else who accomplish that come back and talk to me. Your evidence is flawed.

Actually, there's substantial evidence that "Thus saith the lord" failed over and over again. Why else would Branham have been forced to explain how people who were divinely healed later died of their original illnesses? He got around the obvious failures of his "healings" by telling people that their faith faltered and they let the devil back in. How bloody convenient. So how come Jesus never told anybody in the New Testament that they might need to keep professing their healing over and over, and that they might actually feel sicker after they were healed because their bodies would need to process the dead growths, etc.? (If God can kill the demon, can't he also eliminate the necrotic tissue?)

Branham's healing: He lays hands on you and prays, then you publicly profess your belief over and over again until the "lying symptoms" go away, even though you will probably feel even worse for a while, and you must remain vigilant lest the demons of sickness that were cast out of you return even stronger. If you die, it's your fault for not believing hard enough.

How does the group feel about this man? I personally do not believe the things he stated.... so tell me what the group thinks because my wife thinks he was the the messenger in the last days.. I do not believe him personally.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57834

I think he is probaly the most humble man I know of and he loved people very much. Some of his teachings are not true I dont believe he had the gift of teaching. At the end of his life he fell into pride and got killed by a drunk driver. I really think god looks at the heart and not so much the head. i know people that have perfect doctrine and do not know god or operate in the fruit or gifts of the spirit. I feel loike repenting of pride and hardness of heart when i listen to branham he has really helped me to grow in the lord. It grieves my heart his teachings towards the end of his life went the way he did no the enemies of the lord have occasion to speak against god and his messenger branham. God bless all who are born again and sealed with our fathers precious holy spirit.