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I think we hate Solaream because it is way over used. Consider the huge move pool Sceptile can use, you'd think they could have given it a more original move than Solar Beam.

So, Snorlax takes down two fighting types and people justify it by saying the Pokemon probably train at Oak's. Then Heracross gets his head handed to him by a grass type and the justification is that they don't train at Oak's. TBA's conclusion: Heracross got the shaft big time.

Difference. Satoshi used Kabigon's girth quite a bit in the battle to the advantage, whereas Heracross was barely even used even during Jouto.

Oh, and I wanted to use this analogy instead. We get complaints about Haruka's Pokémon learning moves too fast and winning Contests without training. Yet when an underused Pokémon of Satoshi's loses, we gotta throw a hissy fit.

I seem to recall people wanting Sceptile gain Solarbeam back when it was a Grovyle... after seeing that one chick's Grovyle use it or whatever

Anyways, on the subject of Heracross losing...as long as it got a good fight in I'm happy. And hey, you win some and you lose some. It would be unrealistic to think that every Pokemon Ash withdraws from Oak is going to immediately win its match.

Technically thats the same question three times, so not three questions

And because the writers take whatever all the fans and make it the opposite so the fans never get what they want, ok?

Originally Posted by TBA

So, Snorlax takes down two fighting types and people justify it by saying the Pokemon probably train at Oak's. Then Heracross gets his head handed to him by a grass type and the justification is that they don't train at Oak's. TBA's conclusion: Heracross got the shaft big time.

Don't forget, Snorlax is stronger, bigger, has had more training and well Heracross was just shafted like hell and such. :/

Hmmm I haven't actually seen pictures yet but I hear Heracross used Megahorn a few times meaning it must of put up some kind of fight, and this is Max and May's first time with Heracross :O Shockzors.

I'm actually hoping Ash sent Heracross back, so he can get a new Pokemon, I demand Ash gets a new Pokemon >: Or at least get Torkoal back....

The way Heracross lost was certainly a clever move on their part. We all know of Heracross's weakness to the sap. If temptation hits, things will always go astray.

But.

It was still a cop-out loss. The situational setup seems almost comical. What I mean is, here they give Spenser a Venusaur, despite him not having one in the games and despite us having seen one not that long ago in a major Contest right. Then, they pull Heracross out of Oak's after so long and have it face off against Venusaur, prompting its 'quirk' of wanting sap.

What the hell? Did they purposely want it to lose? I don't want to see a favorite Pokemon of mine being retrieved at ALL if its only function is going to serve as a "funny" Loss-of-the-Day. Keep it at Oak's and save it from the humiliation.

Hey! Maybe next time they can have Muk fight a Soap Monster or pit Snorlax against a PokeBlock up its butt! Tee-hee.

Originally Posted by Brinstar

I seem to recall people wanting Sceptile gain Solarbeam back when it was a Grovyle... after seeing that one chick's Grovyle use it or whatever

Well, whether that's true or not, you must remember that Solarbeam was treated a little differently back then. Hansen's Shedinja caught a couple people off guard when it used its Solarbeam. Back then, Solarbeam was only associated with Grass types and a small picking of other Pokemon. In other words, it was more special.

These days, Solarbeam has become like Hyper Beam in terms of being overused and generic. Sometimes the 2-turn charge up is a factor; sometimes it's not.

Glad Heracross returned but lost.
Sceptile's obviously the winning pokemon knowing the writers.
Swellow was a good choice knowing it's advantage over grass types.

Hope Cyndaquil, Bayleef, Totodile, Kingler, Squirtle, Tauros, Noctowl and Bulbasaur get a go too! would love to see all these old pokemon back in action having not seen them for so long [until the Oak's Lab all members gathering episode]

Hah, the TR sub-plot is great. The way TR in gym battles should be handled. Rapid cutaways that serve as simple comic relief.

The Azami battle was mediocre, but this makes up for it. I really don't mind Heracross losing. I was simply happy that we even got to see it. We didn't have any returning Pokemon for the last 2 Frontier battles. For the Anabel battle, not only would I like to see Cyndaquil return, but for Ash to keep it (He needs a fire type right now).

OMG creepy, in the speculation thread someone said they'll be watching from a Balloon, someone else said from a TV, but they are watching from a TV in a balloon X_X;; Creepy...

But the Camera thing was cool ^^

Wow Shiftry went down fast, it used like one Shadow Ball, but I guess Glaydol was Spener's main Pokemon. Ha ha ha Heracross was class and it did put up a fight mind you. Swellow did well, Vensaur hmmm well it did well against Heracross just not Swellow. Claydol pwned real time, we really haven't seen one have some good action like that one, I mean the huge one and Robert's x__x;; Not exactly good appearences for battling.

Whoever called May/Max/Brock/Scott watching via Hot Air Balloon was right, they were in a Pokeball one that had a TV screen. A floating judge/camea [wtf?] would fly around with the battle and give the TV a picture.

Okay, is it just me, or does a robotic Frontier Judge ruin the whole 'Jungle Theme'? Here we have a remote island seemingly filled with Pokemon and one human, Spenser. Then we have the 'Battle Palace' designed like old, ancient ruins to further the effect. And then we get a floating camera judge. Honestly, that's like taking the grunge out of the 90's D:

I don't really want to comment on the episode right now because I've only seen pictures, but at the end Heracross is still with the Group. I know Ash could easily send it back between the end of this episode and the start of the new one, but Charizard returned to his crazy-ass Valley during the end of the Factory episode, so maybe there's some hope? Or maybe I desperately want the writers to pull a Phanpy on Heracross...oh that would be heaven.

Oh, and I don’t mind Sceptile learning Solar Beam. Yes, it’s overused, but this is the newest attack it’s learned in a LONGGG time [we’re talking early-mid Hoenn] and from pictures, it looks rather cool *shot*

Hah, the TR sub-plot is great. The way TR in gym battles should be handled. Rapid cutaways that serve as simple comic relief.

The Azami battle was mediocre, but this makes up for it. I really don't mind Heracross losing. I was simply happy that we even got to see it. We didn't have any returning Pokemon for the last 2 Frontier battles. For the Anabel battle, not only would I like to see Cyndaquil return, but for Ash to keep it (He needs a fire type right now).

Maybe Ash'll bring it back for the Battle Tower and it'll be Ash's last Pokémon for the battle. It'll be hurt bad enough that it will evolve to win the battle for Ash.

OR

Ash and Cyndaquil will lose so they'll go train and come back once Cyndaquil evolved...

Wait, Heracross tried to go for Venusaur's flower? You'd think after a few years with Bulbasaur it's learn you get nothing from sucking on Pokemon (that didn't sound right XP). Heracross should be nominated for a Darwin Award. I mean, he's been shafted six way from Sunday during the series (and unlike May's Pokemon, he doesn't sit in a Poke Ball day) and it's his turn to bat and loses to his own personal flaws. You'd think with the punishment Bulbasaur gave him every time he tried to go for his bulb he would have learned by now.

I don't really want to comment on the episode right now because I've only seen pictures, but at the end Heracross is still with the Group.

Finally, an answer and thankfully it's what I was hoping for. Let's just keep our fingers crossed that heracross is given some respect by the writers in an upcoming episode... and that it remains with Ash for a little while.

Finally, an answer and thankfully it's what I was hoping for. Let's just keep our fingers crossed that heracross is given some respect by the writers in an upcoming episode... and that it remains with Ash for a little while.

I'm hoping in the ending scene we see Ash awing at his symbol and sceptile,swellow and Heracross are outside of their pokeballs sitting their. I didnt understand one thing though. Did Spencer set all those booby traps that TR kept getting trapped in or did they set them up and forget where they were. I'm rather annoyed that Heracross got knocked out with just a solar beam(correct me if wrong I didnt see the razor leaf actually hit heracross).

Heracross should be nominated for a Darwin Award. I mean, he's been shafted six way from Sunday during the series (and unlike May's Pokemon, he doesn't sit in a Poke Ball day) and it's his turn to bat and loses to his own personal flaws.

He didnt lose because of his personal flaw. When Heracross did it no one did anything and Spencer was kinda WTF. He lost because he was getting ready to megahorn Venusaur, but Heracross didnt see that it had been charging for a solar beam so it got a powerful blast when right in front of Venusaur.
Is it just me or did solar beam look cooler on Sceptile? It also works alright with Sceptile even though I would've prefered something else.
One funny scene I noted was TR all had binoculars and spying on Ash and co. while Manene didnt have one it still imitated the group pretending it had binoculars. Anyway I thought it was a cool episode even though the results werent as desired. Although if Heracross stays it will more than make up for it.

How sad. Heracross has a type advantage and massive power but was brought down by a Venusaur. Oh well at least we got to see it and it did supposedly put up a good fight. Anyway, I knew Sceptile would learn solar beam the attack I've been tired of after Kanto but maybe Sceptile will make it look cool. I've never seen Ash's Sceptile use an attack that looked stupid.

Hmmmm...you know what I just realized? Ash and Spenser were running through the forest, right?
Yet they didn't run into ONE Beedrill or Kakuna which the said forest seemed to be brimming with last episode. Not even one damned Kakuna hanging from a tree in the backdrop >.>