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I really don't understand what you're all moaning about. Adblu is a proven if slightly flawed technology to combat particulate emissions from diesel engines, just like DPFs are. Here's a question for you all: how many motorhomes fitted with DPFs have had a problem with them? Any members on here had a direct DPF issue that cost a fortune to fix?

Modern vehicles are still far more reliable than they used to be. Last month I took my racecar to be mapped on a rolling road and I did forewarn the owners/operators that the bottom end is stock, untouched and done 125,000 miles. The owner said "it'll be fine, really it will, modern oils have done away with internal wear and tear" and he is bang on the money! In fact he had an old MGB engine on his engine dyno at the time so we compared some facts: MGB 1.8 litre capacity, 8 valves, 5 port head 85BHP standard, tuneable to 100-110BHP, std redline 5500RPM, life expectancy 60,000-80,000 miles. My engine (1995 Mazda 1.8 twin cam) 1.8 litre capacity, 16 valves, 8 port head, 130BHP standard, tuneable to well over 200BHP with a turbo or supercharger, 160BHP naturally aspirated is easily do-able if expensive, std redline 7000 RPM, life expectancy open ended with regular oil changes.

Modern technologies have transformed the internal combustion engine, both petrol and diesel.

Or would you all prefer to go back to the 2.5 litre 85BHP rough as a bear's arse lumps of the 1980s/90s?

Lol when this pile of blupoo is on its 4th owner and getting old things will be different......another layer of complexity ready to go wrong out of warranty. In fact plenty of evidence on the net things can go wrong pretty early on.

Yeah lets save the planet, unfortunately Mr Tatas a car for every Indian family and the conversion of Asia from bicycles to 2 strokes has already frigged the planet.....

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Pleased owner of the Skoda equivalent of the Hymer family......

Godwins law: there is a tradition in many Internet discussion forums that once a (Nazi) comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread.
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Lol when this pile of blupoo is on its 4th owner and getting old things will be different......another layer of complexity ready to go wrong out of warranty. In fact plenty of evidence on the net things can go wrong pretty early on.

Yeah lets save the planet, unfortunately Mr Tatas a car for every Indian family and the conversion of Asia from bicycles to 2 strokes has already frigged the planet.....

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You are aware that current levels of diesel emissions are killing people in London and other busy cities and are happy for that to continue?

You are aware that current levels of diesel emissions are killing people in London and other busy cities and are happy for that to continue?

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If governments were serious about this a whole infrastructure change is required to provide access to towns/cities. You know like the ones that used to exist into towns cities and factories, called branch lines. Instead as usual Governments have instantly resorted to a tax raising agenda.

The adoption of euro 6 will take years to make a dent in emissions levels and will probably never make any difference as car ownership increases.

Which brings me to another point, there is one simple answer to this and it is to reduce car ownership levels. Instead of sprawling drives with sprawling vehicles for every member of a family plus motorhomes and whatever, 2 vehicles per family unit should do it!

Electric cars use around 10% renewable energy at best when the wind is blowing, when its not it its around 2% (UK). Their low adoption rates around Europe reflect the fact they are also crap.

Pleased owner of the Skoda equivalent of the Hymer family......

Godwins law: there is a tradition in many Internet discussion forums that once a (Nazi) comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread.
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But AdBlu specifically addresses poisonous diesel emissions and very effectively so I don't see what the issue is with it? It's a proven technology that works and allows diesels to operate more efficiently - thereby not only addressing killing people now but saving money for me and reducing CO2 - win,win,win. We should be welcoming this technology not mocking it.

If governments were serious about this a whole infrastructure change is required to provide access to towns/cities. You know like the ones that used to exist into towns cities and factories, called branch lines. Instead as usual Governments have instantly resorted to a tax raising agenda.
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Yes branch lines are going to make a real difference

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• London residents aged 16+ make 4.6m car driver trips and 1.4m car passenger trips on an average day, of which 3.7m are within London, with the remainder involving travel to and from London. Non-residents make around 1 million car journeys a day to, from or within London.
• Six in ten car trips are made for shopping, leisure and personal business purposes and a fifth for work purposes. A third of car trips are shorter than 2km.

But AdBlu specifically addresses poisonous diesel emissions and very effectively so I don't see what the issue is with it? It's a proven technology that works and allows diesels to operate more efficiently - thereby not only addressing killing people now but saving money for me and reducing CO2 - win,win,win. We should be welcoming this technology not mocking it.

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I'll come back to you on this, but I see adblu is a German originated product ? If its anything like bio diesel in production which the Germans have strenuously pushed it will have catostrophic effects on the environment. Much of East Germany has been turned into a ecological disaster area with a desert monoculture of rape seed cultivation......and thats before we get to the deforestation of the Amazon basin to grow the same......

Pleased owner of the Skoda equivalent of the Hymer family......

Godwins law: there is a tradition in many Internet discussion forums that once a (Nazi) comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread.
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But AdBlu specifically addresses poisonous diesel emissions and very effectively so I don't see what the issue is with it? It's a proven technology that works and allows diesels to operate more efficiently - thereby not only addressing killing people now but saving money for me and reducing CO2 - win,win,win. We should be welcoming this technology not mocking it.

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As we should be welcoming wind farms reliant on rare earth magnetic ore coming from the only place available, the most polluting country on the planet, China. Or solar panels made in Bangladesh, another gross polluter, made of carcinogenic silicon compounds that break down within months of exposure to air and cannot be recycled. Or Nissan Leaf and Tesla electric vehicles based on batteries with a 2-3 year lifecycle, containing indescribably dangerous unstable lithium compounds - a substance almost impossible to dispose of safely - and dependent on those same rare earth materials to run their electric motors?

The comparison between the MG engine and the modern engine quoted in this thread demonstrates that better design and precision engineering yield a far more efficient (and safer) product with a far longer life expectancy - not marketing hype. And we can go a lot further if we concentrate on improving the product rather than just trying to clear up the environmental devastation caused by its use

You cannot eliminate pollution altogether and the Germans have shown they're untrustworthy. AdBlu is another cynical marketing ploy to fool the gullible into buying new product "for the sake of the planet and the children"

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Livin' the dream on the road in Portugal
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As we should be welcoming wind farms reliant rare earth magnetic ore coming from the only place available, the most polluting country on the planet, China. Or solar panels made in Bangladesh, another gross polluter, made of toxic carcinogenic silicon compounds that break down within months of exposure to air and cannot be recycled. Or Nissan Leaf and Tesla electric vehicles based on batteries with a 2-3 year lifecycle, containing the indescribably dangerous lithium - a substance almost impossible to dispose of safely - and dependent on those same rare earth materials to run their electric motors?

The comparison between the MG engine and the modern engine quoted in this thread demonstrates that better design and precision engineering yield a far more efficient product with a far longer life expectancy - not marketing hype. You cannot eliminate pollution altogether and the Germans have shown they're untrustworthy. AdBlu is a marketing ploy to fool the gullible.

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100% agree, the real green agenda is about moving the pollution from Europe to other poorer countries.

Pleased owner of the Skoda equivalent of the Hymer family......

Godwins law: there is a tradition in many Internet discussion forums that once a (Nazi) comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread.
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• London residents aged 16+ make 4.6m car driver trips and 1.4m car passenger trips on an average day, of which 3.7m are within London, with the remainder involving travel to and from London. Non-residents make around 1 million car journeys a day to, from or within London.
• Six in ten car trips are made for shopping, leisure and personal business purposes and a fifth for work purposes. A third of car trips are shorter than 2km.

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Plan B then, reduce car ownership.

Pleased owner of the Skoda equivalent of the Hymer family......

Godwins law: there is a tradition in many Internet discussion forums that once a (Nazi) comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread.
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It’s a solution of just under one-third urea in demineralised water. Contrary to popular rumour it is not animal urine, but is manufactured by an industrial process to international standard ISO 22241. Urea – chemical formula CO(NH2)2 – itself was the first organic compound to be synthetically formulated (back in 1828), so AdBlue is not made from urine.

It is also very polluting to surface and groundwater, so appropriate precautions must be taken when storing or dispensing it. Drain interceptors will not prevent it entering watercourses as, unlike oil, it mixes with water. If left puddled on concrete for long periods it may cause problems too, so equipment to absorb spills needs to be readily available at the point of storage.

Pleased owner of the Skoda equivalent of the Hymer family......

Godwins law: there is a tradition in many Internet discussion forums that once a (Nazi) comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread.
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100% agree, the real green agenda is about moving the pollution from Europe to other poorer countries.

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You got that in one. I have travelled the coast between Mumbai and Calcutta (or whatever the BBC likes to call them today) and seen the hundreds of miles of dead ships having their asbestos piled out in heaps, and the kids playing on them. I have seen the forests of Malaysia burning, and the crops to produce palm oil (for addition to diesel, banned for shipping and agriculture because of the introduction of organic bacteria that renders the diesel useless) replacing them, I have seen vast tracts of wildlife rich countryside devastated to put up wind turbines in Portugal. This is not progress, it is commercially motivated rape.

There is a good reason why adoption of the Euro 6 engine has been so hesitant, and it's not just money. Instead of focusing on refining a good design to make it even better, they are now concentrating on cosmetic post contaminant filtration to appease the "green at any price" brigade. And in my view, that is a cosmetic approach that hides the real problem.

The best way to get rid of a nasty smell in a bathroom is to open the window or take your dump elsewhere, not douse the bathroom in aerosol perfume.

Shifting pollution from one place to another does not cure us of the problem, it merely delays anyone developing an enduring solution.

Livin' the dream on the road in Portugal
Sometime known as G6FDE
Tootles said "as my mark of respect towards you, prepare to be followed. " - I have a stalker!