Exactly ... especially since Hyatt switched yesterday.

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:09 AM

"When I was young, I was sure of many things; now there are only two things of which I am sure: one is, that I am a miserable sinner; and the other, that Christ is an all-sufficient Saviour. He is well-taught who learns these two lessons." -John Newton

Re: I think that's about right where he belongs or too high

You idiot, the hc manages the program. He hired the coaches,

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 6:25 PM

recruited the players, holds it together. To give him no credit for being an excellent decision maker and the glue is short sighted and moronic. Clearly you work as a fast food employee or department store clerk.

Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:09 PM

i would agree that Dabo is the #1 CEO coach in the ACC and maybe the country. He is good at what he does. He recognizes his own weaknesses and gets out of the coordinators' ways. People act like I am completely bashing him because I say he isn't a very good coach. He is good at what he does. But coaching (from an x's and o's standpoint) isn't his strong suit.

Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:16 AM

But they are making those assumptions from Dabo's first time ever being the HC of anything. Dabo has grown with our program also. Dabo has grown with every win and every loss. For anyone to not think that, just look at how smart he was at putting the pieces together that turned Clemson into a winning program. To think that Dabo can't coach is ludicrous.

Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that

Hmmm ... I think he COACHED wide receivers

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:11 AM

before becoming head coach.

"When I was young, I was sure of many things; now there are only two things of which I am sure: one is, that I am a miserable sinner; and the other, that Christ is an all-sufficient Saviour. He is well-taught who learns these two lessons." -John Newton

Re: Hmmm ... I think he COACHED wide receivers

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:07 PM

and he was very average at that. its not like his WR set the world on fire. they caught a plethora of WR screens to inflate numbers but when they had to make a catch to win the game, they usually left us wondering ### happened.

And, the fundamentals (ie hand placement, route running, high point, and body leverage) were all lacking under DS.

Remember that game AT GT where HIS WR dropped 17 balls and we lost 13-9 or something like that?

There is a reason that Bama and CU both passed on DS as an OC several times when they had openings.

If Dabo was such an awful WR coach, and can't "coach"

Posted: Apr 3, 2014 10:32 AM

in general, than why has Clemson become WR U? Why do we have the number 1 WR in the NFL draft this year, a top 5 WR in the draft last year, and the best TE in the country the year before? When Dabo was the WR coach we beat #6 Tennessee in the Peach Bowl and laid down the 63-17 on the coots to name a few examples.

You keep posting circular arguments, and every single game statistic says you are wrong. Dabo isn't as much of a specialist coach as someone like David Shaw, but he sure knows how to develop players and win games. He knows how to get in our players heads and get them in the zone for games.A better example of a CEO coach would be Gene Chizik. Great spokesperson, great motivational speaker kind of guy, but look what happened when he lost his superstar personnel, Auburn sucked. Chizik couldn't coach a game to save his life, the gameplay was the burden of the players and the assistants. They had the talent to compete at the elite level, but Chizik couldn't get them past 8-4 and 3-9 seasons once his superstars were gone.

You idiot, the hc hires coaches, manages the program,

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 6:27 PM

recruited the players, holds it together. To give him no credit for being an excellent decision maker and the glue is short sighted and moronic. Clearly you work as a fast food employee or department store clerk.

Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that

Posted: Apr 5, 2014 11:22 PM

Who really cares if he coaches or hires coaches? I could not care less if he did not even go to the games, so long as his teams are winning. The best managers let their employees do what their employees do best. In this era, Its the head coaches job to scream at the zebras.

Golden and Petrino are above Dabo?

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:49 AM

Miami out recruits us consistently and lost to DUKE at home last year and was a play away from losing to freaking Wake Forrest?! Petrino has yet to even coach one game at UL so him being above Dabo is laughable as well

Petrino belongs head of Dabo IMO. Beamer doesn't any

Re: Golden and Petrino are above Dabo?

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:10 AM

Plus Miami is in one of the biggest hot beds of great talent that will stay in Fla. if they see they have a chance to play behind the talent that is already there. If Dabo was the HC at most any of those Fla. schools, he would without any doubt be winning championships. I bet anybody that Dabo could take his staff to any of those 3 or 4 Fla schools and win big time.

This is the same publication that thinks

So if you "win" the ACC championship game in 2009, BUT

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:53 AM

were forced to vacate that win because you cheated are you still ACC champs for 2009? I like how all sports reporters conveniently "forget" to add facts like this to the article. I guess if you're not cheatin you're not tryin..

On July 18, 2011, Georgia Tech was forced to vacate the win due to the result of an NCAA investigation. The NCAA announced the game would be considered to have no winner.[85]

News from USuC...
"Richardson was the 20th Gamecock arrested since Spurrier was hired in Nov. 2004"

Fluxus®
"As I watched the game yesterday I couldn't help but feel crushed. We beat Furman by 4 TDs, but to me it looked like we got whipped."

"George Bush, we are reliably informed by the media, has the IQ of a moron, though how he matriculated from Yale and Harvard or flew an F-106 will remain an unexplained mystery. Doubtless his father bribed the airplane to fly itself."

Well, if the basketball team was #14, sure ... why not?

* Dabo leads the No. 7 or 8 (depending on you poll) team in the nation, but is only the 6th best coach in a not-so-stellar ACC?

* Well behind David Cutcliffe (a solid coach, to be sure) who has never beaten Clemson?

* Behind Frank Beamer, who hasn't beaten Clemson in years? Who's team is barely above .500 over the past 3 years? I like the note that "Prior to Morris, Swinney was only 19-15" ... and that's STILL better than Beamer's been the past 3 years.

* Behind Al Golden, who has yet to finish in the Top 25 since coming to Miami?

* The argument that Dabo wins only because of his assistants sort of loses its luster when you have Jimbo at No. 1 ... yet the Noles only began winning after he replaced his coordinators. The fact that one of the prime reasons for Jimbo being named top coach is "Fisher has three seasons of at least 10 wins." Yet Clemson has done the same ... the ONLY other ACC team that can make that claim ... and not only is it only good enough for 6th place, but it's not even mentioned in the critique of Dabo.

The way I read this is, "Clemson has enjoyed some of its greatest success as a program over the past few years, but putting the right people in the right places isn't really part of coaching....unless you're at Florida State. Then it's an integral part of being a coach. Oh, and even if Clemson whips you on the field, even if you have nothing to show since the re-emergence of Clemson football, you're still a better coach because of something you did 10 years ago."

Re: Well, if the basketball team was #14, sure ... why not?

The key question is "Who would you want coaching your team

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:11 AM

NEXT year?"

If it's "Has done the best coaching" then Beamer is in the mix, but if it's "Who are you picking to coach your team?" then Beamer is doubtful...he doesn't seem to be as dialed in with his coaching the last couple of years. It's not just the wins and losses...his teams have lost that signature sharpness on Special Teams (his specific area).

So, if you have to pick a coach NOW, you have to go with Fisher, Cutcliffe or Swinney. These are the three that have their programs running on all cylinders and appear to be doing it "the right way."

How are we outnumbered if we win?***

Re: Ummm, Since Jimbo himself says ....

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:22 AM

Rev I'm there with you on that. Dabo was lost at first, but it didn't take him but a minute to gather his wits and put together a staff that could carry him until he did learn to be a HC. And I would bet that even behind Dabo's back, that Morris or BV wouldn't ever say that Dabo can't coach. Dabo could coach before he became the HC. He didn't become the HC until 2008, he had been coaching at Clemson sense 2002. And he had coached at Alabama from 1993 to 2000. So he has been coaching 14 years plus his playing years. Dabo is a very smart man, he was twice named an Academic All-SEC and SEC Scholar Athlete Honor Roll. So to think he hasn't leaned to be a Head Coach in 6 years as smart as he is. That just isn't giving Dabo credit where credit is due, and scoffing at what he has accomplished at Clemson. And its also insinuating that he's a dumb A$S....

Rev, Was it not Moses that invented the division of labor?

Re: The key question is "Who would you want coaching your team

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:45 AM

I don't wish you anything really bad. But the best thing for people who have to be around you daily, would be if you were Exiled from this earth. Its just not right for others to have contact with you. X

I'm certainly not a coot fan, but USuC fans certainly have

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:59 AM

nothing to be jealous of. They've destroyed us for 5 yrs in a row, probably going to be 6 this year. They're more nationally relevant than Clemson is right now. They're in the best power conference making the most money. Clemson is in the weakest BCS conference and still cannot win it.

Dabo fisher and cutcliffe top 3 any order. This list is JUNK***

Mmmm Hmmmm

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:43 AM

I guess the people "around" Fisher and Cutcliffe are nothing more than mouth-breathing mongrels that are only useful as paperweights. Fisher and Cutcliffe do ALL the head coaching, co-ordinating, assistant coaching, recruiting, and anything else involved in running the football program.

Re: Mmmm Hmmmm

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:51 AM

no, not at all. he has good assts, but he is able to tell them what he wants done. he could go coach any of their specific positions at practice and do it well. so could cutcliffe (whom i think is THE best coach in the ACC).

Dabo had a vision. He had no idea how to complete that vision. He hired Chad. Chad is the one who tells the other offensive assts what to do/teach. He is effectively the head coach of offense. Same with Brent on Defense.

Hey Express 13 (a.k.a: Old 0-21) he has won more than your

Re: laughable. 8th at best

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:38 AM

So, you're saying that results on the field don't really matter? If that's the case, I'd say that Jimbo Fisher is probably the 9th best coach in the ACC. He just happens to be really good at recruiting incredible talent which covers up for his lack of coaching ability

Case in point, Auburn - a team that has one of the best x-and-o coaches in the business at the helm - put FSU on the limit in the BCSCG until FSU was bailed out by a freak athletic play in the form of a kickoff return.

If your logic applies to Dabo in that way, it should also apply to Jimbo Fisher - to say nothing of the others on this list...

So, the fact that Jimbo Fisher was on staff with Nick Saban

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:48 AM

completely shuts down your argument about how a head coach shouldn't have to rely on good coordinators to win.

You do realize that Nick Saban surrounds himself with the best coordinators and assistants he can find, right? The same thing that Jimbo Fisher does. The same thing that Dabo Swinney does. The same thing that pretty much every coach in the business does.

Re: This is a joke. Pure, sorry joke. When Dabo's teams continue

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:49 AM

Then why cant he beat his division rival--florida state and his in-state rival, the chickens. That winning record of his is meaningless. Who gives a crap about beating the citadels and wake forests of the world. Ask west virginia how good a coach he is. ask florida state, ask spurrier.

I'd rather ask Urban Meyer or Les Miles or Mark Richt.***

Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:46 AM

With all the accolades they pour over Dabo's success at Clemson. They still flat out refuse to give him credit for what Dabo himself has accomplished at Clemson as the Head Coach. He has done exactly what a HC is suppose to do as in hiring and putting together a staff that he can win with. He has won the acc championship Once, the Atlantic side of the conference Twice, and 2nd place once. He has beat LSU in the Chic-Fil-A bowl, he beat UGA in the same year he beat OSU in the BCS Orange bowl, with two back to back 11 season wins. In the last 3 years he is, 2011 10-4 with 6-2 in conference, 2012 11-2 with 7-1 conference, 2013 11-2 with 7-1 in conference. Other than a NC, Dabo's record is better than Fishers, and they rate Dabo as the 6 best ACC coach. The worst thing about this total Bull Chit is that the people ( and this BS was published for the people ) believe this BS and only know the obscured BS that those people publish about people like Dabo. That is most of the reason that OUR coach catches so much chit. There are some awful vicious S O B's in the media when they want to paint a bleak picture of someone. And that goes for other coaches also. One thing is absolute though, Dabo could leave coaching today or 40 years from now. And I don't think that anyone could say that Dabo ever tried to put a dark side on anyone in coaching or any where else. I know who we have leading our FB team, and personally, I wouldn't trade him for all those #1s in college FB. I love our Head Coach, and he is #1 to me!!!

WHY do you think no one has tried tohire him away

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:53 AM

if dabo is such a good coach why has no other major college tried to hire him? Not one offer has he had. When does he quit running that mouth and beat spurrier? Actually, we are the only people dumb enough to hire and keep him

Why do you want him hired away if he is winning?***

Re: Why do you want him hired away if he is winning?***

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:12 AM

I actually expect him to be competitive within his division and with his in-state rival. Both those teams have outcoached him convincingly and physically dominated us to the point of embarrasment. I don't have to listen to LSU people. Its nice to beat GA and LSU, but I don't live in those states and Clemson is not in that conference. I would appreciate a win over the chickens sometime in the next 8-10 years. But, I don't think Swinney is capable of it. I also don't think he is capable of beating florida state anytime in the next few years, So, I rate him very low on a performance scale---would like him to depart so we can get a coach that is capable of fielding a team that can actually stay on the same field with sc and fla state and not be a complete embarrasment on national TV.

We did beat FSU in 2011 in the Valley, Last year was a

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:26 AM

setback but I would not count Clemson out this year in Tally. I think we want to correct this game. Also last year was the first time in 4 years we had a team that could stand toe to toe with the Coots. We failed because of turnovers but I think this year we catch them in the Valley and end your pain.

5-1 in the division and he's not competitive, got it.***

Re: Why do you want him hired away if he is winning?***

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:13 AM

I actually expect him to be competitive within his division and with his in-state rival. Both those teams have outcoached him convincingly and physically dominated us to the point of embarrasment. I don't have to listen to LSU people. Its nice to beat GA and LSU, but I don't live in those states and Clemson is not in that conference. I would appreciate a win over the chickens sometime in the next 8-10 years. But, I don't think Swinney is capable of it. I also don't think he is capable of beating florida state anytime in the next few years, So, I rate him very low on a performance scale---would like him to depart so we can get a coach that is capable of fielding a team that can actually stay on the same field with sc and fla state and not be a complete embarrasment on national TV.

Jimbo kinda wins by default now

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:35 AM

1) Jimbo - has the natty2) Petrino - built the Louisville program from nothing and won a BCS bowl there. Had Arkansas competitive and winning 10 games in the super tough SEC West, and they were a dumpster fire after he left. Maybe a POS as a person, but extremely good coach.3) Dabo - Cutcliffe may be a better coach, but he still hasn't won anything (even a bowl), so I'm giving the nod to Dabo.4) Cutcliffe - building Duke into a competitive program is obviously a huge accomplishment5) Beamer - This ranking is only because of past accomplishments. the game has passed him by and VT is on the decline with him at the helm right now. Bobby Bowden type situation playing out?T6) Fedora/Golden - haven't quite gotten results at new schools yet, but both have potential and have shown signs. I like what Golden was able to accomplish at Temple and what Fedora did at Southern Miss.8) Johnson - good coach, but an arsehole with an abrasive personality that can't recruit.9-15) I don't care.

Umm..okay.***

Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:58 AM

Help me out I'm an old fart but it seems to me if Dabo isn't responsible for the sucess of the football team we should just fire him. We could just keep the assistants that are responsible and save a lot of money. I have been out of the business community for a while but when I was in and you had a department that was not up to par, you hired a new manager and he came in, replaced staff and the department turned around you give him credit and if you could a raise.

Is this a coaching staff ranking or a head coach ranking??

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:33 AM

As for coaching staffs, Clemson should be #2-3. As for ranking of the coach by himself, Dabo should be around #8. Dabo with Morris/Venables is a good coach. Without those two, Dabo is worthless. We all saw how poor he was with Napier and Steele. He cannot coach his way out of a wetpaper bag. He has to go out and hire the most expensive staff in the nation for him to succeed.

Yeah. Your philosophy is flawed. Was SOS a good coach

As much as I hate SOS, I think hes an excellent coach

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:45 AM

He's clearly a hall of fame college coach. He revolutionized the SEC when he came in with his passing game. He ran roughshod over that conference for over a decade. Now he's built one of the worst programs in college football into a perennial contender/top 10 team.

I dont see how any intelligent person can even compare Dumbo with SOS on a coaching level. Dabo is by far the better person. Hes the guy you want running your boyscout troop. SOS is the guy you want coaching your team.

I love this!

We've got one heck of a coach who everybody else under values. That means while he continues to make this one of the best programs in nation, other schools might not try to steal him away.

And I laugh at all the comments about how he can't be a great coach and he only wins because he is surrounded by great coaches. Who the heck do you think hired them? I'm sure all of these "experts" were probably calling Dabo an idiot for hiring some coach only one year out of high school coaching.

Doesn't make much sense...Petrino hasn't coached a day in

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:50 PM

this league and Dabo owns Beamer... Al Golden? I know he has overcome a lot of obstacles, but what has he won? And Duke? Flash in the pan...Grobe used to be in the Top 4 of ACC Coaches too, how'd that turn out?

He has made chicken salad out of chicken chit !

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:00 PM

Remember when Coach Swinney took over? WE WERE HURTING. In a VERY short period of time, Clemson is now one of the TOP PROGRAMS in the Country AND

He has "done it right". We are NOT a football factory, we have CLASS, and I proud to be a Clemson Tiger fan ... proud to show the cool Tiger Paw here in the great State of Virginia, "The Mother Of Presidents" .....

Wow! Dabo-devotion inspires more posts than any other topic!

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:05 PM

Jacoby Ford signs with the Jets and it generated 5 comments, so far. Morris discusses offensive progress and it generates 7 comments, so far. Some nobody at Athlon ranks Dabo 6th and it generates 144 comments, so far!

The TigerNet readership seems far, far more devoted to (or emotionally invested in) the head coach than the football team or its players. It always seemed that way with Tommy Bowden too. TigerNet posters are funny like that.

You strayed so far from my point, it's absurdly irrelevant.

Posted: Apr 3, 2014 7:14 PM

People can call it "Dabo's team" or "Obama's country". Whatever. That's irrelevant.

My point was this... Based on the low number of comments on most T-Net articles about the team, rankings, players, ex-players, progress reports, etc., and the huge number of comments on a silly opinion-article on a mediocre website ranking the ACC coach rankings, it seems that many more T-Netters (apparently like you) are far, far more emotionally invested in Dabo than in the Clemson football team.

April fools?***

My knee jerk reaction was that you're right

Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:30 PM

And that it is ridiculous.

But in thinking about it, I'm not so sure. While Jimbo Fisher IMO is the only coach that is clearly a better coach, I think coaches #2-#5 could be moved around and arguments made for any order from there. And I would put Dabo in that 2-5 range. Al Golden is the one that does not belong in that bunch... not sure why everyone thinks so highly of him. Because he turned around a Temple program right as they fell to the MAC? If I were ranking the coaches, I'd go....

Petrino would make a good OC. To rank him that high

Posted: Apr 3, 2014 10:26 AM

without having set foot on the field in the ACC is overly gratuitous. I certainly wouldn't want him as a head coach or an example for the players. His off-field antics are straight from 'comedy of the absurd'... As to Beamer, he's earned his epitaph ...

SEC coaches

Posted: Apr 3, 2014 12:06 AM

Dank is a good coach. He is not a great coach. I am a died in the woommissionsl tiger fan, but I know reality when I see it. Dabo has a limited knowledge of x and o. He is not a Steve Spurrier or a Jumbo Fisher or even a Cutcliffe. He certainly is not a coordinator. He is a good manager and has good people around him as did Bobby Bowden. Without Chad, Clemson would not compete. Swinney is a great representative and a great recruiter. We may never make it to a National Championship game with him, but will be a top 15 program.

Re: SEC coaches

Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach

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Posted: Apr 3, 2014 4:55 AM

When I saw Golden ahead of Swinney I quit reading as to avoid wasting any time on rubbish... Golden may turn out to be a good coach, but Swinney has done an excellent job with Clemson while Golden has been somewhat mediocre considering he gets top 15 classes every year with the Miami brand...

And yes another step in the right direction would be to start beating FSU and Carolina more often, but honestly who in the entire country has fared better than FSU and Carolina the last couple years?? pretty much nobody outside of Bama...Basically every team in the nation outside of Bama needs to step up if they want to be on par with FSU...And TBH, I think that with the huge BCS bowl win against Ohio St., the Tigers actually had a better overall season than Carolina. They both had great seasons and finished in the top ten, but only Clemson got to a BCS bowl and beat a top 5 program in Ohio St...Yes the Tigers lost to Carolina, but you could also say Clemson beat Georgia who beat Carolina, which cancels that out a bit...Clemson has been a legit top ten team the last two years running, which is pretty much what you hope for every season, with the realization that if you can be a consistent top 10-15 performer your in good position to legitimately shoot for the top on a regular basis.