Up for Debate: Ramsey on taxing savings

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 at 11:45pm

Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey told reporters Tuesday he'd back the governor's plan to cut the "grocery tax" but would rather cut a bigger slice out of the tax retirement savings. Ramsey called it “blatantly unfair” that the state taxes people who save for retirement. What are your thoughts on the taxes, the proposed plans to cut them and Ramsey's statement?

238 Comments on this post:

By:Loner on 11/28/12 at 9:20

Cross-country skiing is pretty easy...just shuffle your feet...use the poles to help propel and stabilize yourself...a shuffle and slide rhythm sets in and once your heart starts pumping, you'll stay warm.....we like to go at a leisurely pace, it's not a race....stopping often for snacking, toking or swigging is standard procedure....I sometimes go alone, but not always....depends on my mood.

By:BenDover on 11/28/12 at 9:21

Why would the state want to encourage people with large amounts of disposable income to move somewhere else with more favorable tax laws? When you can become a Florida or Texas resident for < a $100K investment and keep your 'vacation house' in Tennessee what address do you think people with any substantial investment income are going to send that mandatory 401K disbursements to?

Ben, I think it's common knowledge about Britain's taxes. Hell, the Beatles complained about the tax rates in the '60's...(Taxman). This isn't breaking news.

Given how the 1% has flourished in this country, and grown by leaps and bounds just in the last decade, I'd say you can't really compare the two. But nice try.

This country has always had a stick up their ass about taxes, hell, that's the primary reason we were founded in the first place...but this constant whining about taxes is getting old. No one wants to pay and in return they want everything. Yawn...

By:yogiman on 11/28/12 at 9:29

No, dumba$$, I was 81 for only one year. I'm in number 82 now. Hang in there child, hopefully, you'll reach my age... and with some (at least a little) intelligence, some day. That is, if any of your brain is still working.

By:Loner on 11/28/12 at 9:30

So, it's a residency shell game, Ben....a game for the "productive class" only....the indigenous poor don't get to play those games.

Tax relief on groceries, however, would benefit the entire population, not just the folks who own more than one home.

One can see that those regular folks, with limited means, who voted for the Tea Party candidates did so against their own best interests....the Tea Party works to advance the agenda of the the "haves", not the "have nots"...the "Tea Party" is nothing more than the most rabidly conservative Republicans....the born-again bigots and such.

By:dargent7 on 11/28/12 at 9:31

Buenos Diaz pilgrims.
Yogi's 7:02 am post really sums up where he";s coming from. (or, going to).
Even the "inventor" of theBirther Movement, that Russian Jew Dr.. from Israel gave it up.
Anyway taxes. Eliminating the "grocery tax" would only benefit the middle class which the GOP wipes their feet on.
Lowering the effective tax rate on Capital Gains, inheritence, dividends, off-shore accounts is the Republican mantra.
It's so obvious and it's why they lost.

By:Captain Nemo on 11/28/12 at 9:33

No matter how long I will live yogi I will never reach your height of stupididity (sic)

By:Loner on 11/28/12 at 9:35

All those millionaires who do not wish to pay taxes should move to Antarctica....no income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes are charged by any government in Antarctica...that's why the penguins all hang out there...they are wealthy tax cheats.

If you have money to burn, and like the taste of penguin, move to Antarctica.

By:yogiman on 11/28/12 at 9:36

Sorry, B2.

It wasn't like citizens like me that put Barry back in that office. It was idiots like you that could be convinced to vote for someone who refused to prove his identity.

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/28/12 at 9:38

yogi, your putrid whining drove people away from the GOP and they voted for Obama. Or are you too stupid to understand that concept?

Either way - keep on whining - it's working out well for the rest of us!

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/28/12 at 9:40

Here's a link for ya......

http://cheezburger.com/2575487744

By:Loner on 11/28/12 at 9:41

Buenos diaz to you too, Darge...it's overcast and 34 degrees here, with snow expected...how 'bout where you are?

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/28/12 at 9:41

Just think - you may never live to see another conservative in office.

By:yogiman on 11/28/12 at 9:42

Ain't our great nation one of a kind? You have to prove your age and identity to get a driver's learning permit, then to get a driver's license. You have to prove you are who you say you are and of legal age to buy a six-pack of beer... but by damn if you want to run for President of this nation; just throw your hat in the ring.

You obviously have to prove your identity for so many things in life except to run for President. WOW! Is there any other nation on this earth like the good ole USA?

By:Loner on 11/28/12 at 9:45

Bawling Born-agains sure are entertaining, aren't they Bn?

By:yogiman on 11/28/12 at 9:45

Naw, gdiafante. I blessed my parents in 1930.

By:BenDover on 11/28/12 at 9:46

Hey... I just report the news loner. It's a simple fact that when they bring back the marriage penalty fewer couples who fall into that category will both continue to work and pay higher taxes. Why is it politicians and pundits never seem to get that the shit-to-income ratio is based on net earnings not gross?

Retiree's are not (yet) limited to where they can retire... particularly those of means and states who choose to punish people who have prevailed over already punitive tax rates at the federal level on their income and saved a little along their whole life and who don't want to be punished further by a 'those responsible by planning and saving' tax; then if the money is substantial expect us to adjust for it.

By:dargent7 on 11/28/12 at 9:47

Loner:
There's 3 storms approaching....
Usually 45+ in the am with high's of 68.
Never a cloud in the sky.
Just read California came in behind Canada with 37.5 million people...and Poland.

By:Captain Nemo on 11/28/12 at 9:48

The DNC is secretly using yogi to drive intelligent Republicans out of the GOP. What a grand plan. LOL

By:Captain Nemo on 11/28/12 at 9:48

The DNC is secretly using yogi to drive intelligent Republicans out of the GOP. What a grand plan. LOL

By:Captain Nemo on 11/28/12 at 9:48

The DNC is secretly using yogi to drive intelligent Republicans out of the GOP. What a grand plan. LOL

By:Captain Nemo on 11/28/12 at 9:48

The DNC is secretly using yogi to drive intelligent Republicans out of the GOP. What a grand plan. LOL

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/28/12 at 9:48

Loner, they are but a mute button would be nice every now and then. :)

By:Loner on 11/28/12 at 9:49

Q: Yogi is an octogenarian.....he's also a buffoon...does that make Yogi an octoroon?

By:BenDover on 11/28/12 at 9:50

"putrid whining drove people away from the GOP and they voted for Obama. Or are you too stupid to understand that concept?"

Nope... Obama got the nod because people believed the 24/7 Weather Channel stay-the-course commercial of Bill Clinton lying to assured them Obama had been a good steward of the country's finances and he just needs another year or two for the economy to recover.

No yogi I have not lost it. I posted ifour times trying to get the idea through that rock you call a brain.

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/28/12 at 9:54

The moderates went for Obama due to several reasons - not because of one commercial with Bill Clinton in it. Do you realize the reasons or are you going to be like yogi and require a list? It should be pretty obvious by now.

By:bfra on 11/28/12 at 9:54

Ben aka yogi, jr. is at it again

By:yogiman on 11/28/12 at 9:55

gdiafante,

I'm sure you have no idea what the Tennessee STATE Guard was in 1943. But to repay a little education to you children, the USA used to have our services, a National Guard (to defend our nation on shore if attached from outside and each state had a State Guard to protect their state.

The state guard was pretty well abolished when Gov. George Wallace brought them out against Rev. Martin Luther King in his march in Montgomery.

And by the way, where were you guys during that march? I was in the "middle of the crowd", and no, not as "one of them". I was "watching" them to make a move if anyone made a move toward that march.

Of all of the hullabaloo before, that was a very quite crown that day when Dr. King went by.

By:BenDover on 11/28/12 at 9:56

Believe what you will bn... without Bill Clinton lying about Obama's fiscal record Romney would be president right now.

By:Loner on 11/28/12 at 9:56

Cap'n Nemo's mouse got the hiccups?

I hear ya, Bn...the right wing dominates the radio airwaves...now Christian radio is taking over FM around here...they already dominate AM. Christian radio takes over where Limbaugh et al. end...they go a few steps further...they talk about survivalism, guns, gold, militia etc., whenever they are not talking about Israel and the End Times...millions of Americans tune in to that crap daily....we are ready for HOLY WAR.

And that sucks.

By:Captain Nemo on 11/28/12 at 9:57

Ben makes a funny. That is the way to get through your loss with humor Ben.

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/28/12 at 9:57

Dr. King was wearing quite a crown? Is that what you said?

By:Captain Nemo on 11/28/12 at 9:57

What is an ifour?

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/28/12 at 9:59

Loner, I think the demographics for that sort of radio talk is a dying breed for the most part.

By:gdiafante on 11/28/12 at 9:59

Right Ben...LOL

Seriously, when you have people like Ben and Yogi in your party, there's no way you're going to win national elections. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt...

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/28/12 at 10:01

The most secular Americans are those 30 and younger -- sometimes called "Generation Y" -- 19% of whom do not identify with a religious tradition. Pew surveys taken over the past 20 years show that, within each age cohort, the size of the secular group has remained constant over time indicating that people have not become less secular as they have aged.

http://pewresearch.org/databank/dailynumber/?NumberID=386

By:Loner on 11/28/12 at 10:02

Well, Ben, people would rather have a president who may have had a blow job, to a president who blows the job....Bill Clinton had a blow job...Junior Bush blew the job....Bill Clinton is called upon to promote Democratic candidates....Junior Bush was not even invited to speak at the Republican National Convention....I rest my case.

By:Captain Nemo on 11/28/12 at 10:04

Them were no hiccups, Loner. They were rapped fire shot at the moron.

By:BenDover on 11/28/12 at 10:08

Bush was an excellent president. Aside from the minimum wage increase and him not defending himself against detractors and harming the Republican brand I really think he was spot-on on policy.

By:Loner on 11/28/12 at 10:10

Bn,...your 8:59 post I hope that you are right....but lots of young people attend right-wing churches and many may listen to that war-mongering BS....lots of young Christian warriors may be needed in the near future...if the Shiite hits the fan.

By:yogiman on 11/28/12 at 10:13

gdiafante,

To educate you a little bit more about me, I enlisted in the Navy in December 1947, just few months after my 17th birthday. I went to San Diego boot camp in January 1948. I was stationed on Palau when my discharge came due (back then, if you served at least 3 years you could be discharged on your 21st birthday You know, back then, you had to be a 21 year old adult to vote. Not an 18 year old brat.)

The day I, and 5 other men were schedule to be transferred off the island, President Truman extended all enlistments for 1 year because of the Korean conflict (please note, not a war, just a conflict)

At that time, I thought we would be in war with Russia before that conflict was over and we didn't know how many years we would be extended. So I re-enlisted to get a few bucks re-enlistment bonus. WOW!, a whopping 300 bucks for [only] 4 more years in 1951.

I had it made for a couple of weeks.

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/28/12 at 10:13

Loner, as the demographics change, I think that will change as well. The "young, Christian warriors" are probably white protestants which are a diminishing group right now.

By:gdiafante on 11/28/12 at 10:15

Yogi, I don't give a good goddamn about you.

Ben must be off his meds.

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/28/12 at 10:16

Heck, both sides of the political aisle expect Texas to be a blue state in 2016. I don't see Latinos or Blacks buying in to that Christian Warrior thing as much.

By:yogiman on 11/28/12 at 10:19

Loner,

You and a couple of other Barry admirers make me envious in your computer knowledge. What I've learned, I've taught myself, and with only half a brain left, it ain't been easy.

Damn, I wish I still had all of that brain left in there.

By:gdiafante on 11/28/12 at 10:19

Latinos are primarily Catholics, so if the GOP were smart, they could court them quite successfully. But "smart" and "GOP" don't go together much lately.