Because there's healthy nationalism and then there is extreme nationalism, there's nothing wrong in loving your country, your people and defend basic
traditions, when that leads to racial killings, burning of multicultural sites, centers of association, now that is part of the extreme we dont want.
You are seeing things in black and white, the same way extreme nationalists do.

Because there's healthy nationalism and then there is extreme nationalism, there's nothing wrong in loving your country, your people and defend basic
traditions, when that leads to racial killings, burning of multicultural sites, centers of association, now that is part of the extreme we dont want.
You are seeing things in black and white, the same way extreme nationalists do.

Really? I'm seeing things in black and white?

I'm going with one of the most basic characteristics of nationalist politics ... you're talking about healthy patriotism.

Statistics show very clearly that illegal immigrants are LESS likely to commit crimes than American citizens - why? Well, they try to keep a low
profile and stay out of trouble so they don't get deported. And maybe they aren't bad to begin with.

Your blog says "thousands" of people killed by undocumented immigrants each year??

Here are the real statistics:

121
The number of people released from immigration custody who were later charged with murder between 2010 and 2014, according to figures from the
Department of Homeland Security cited in a recent letter from two U.S. senators. That's about a thousandth of a percent of the total estimated number
of unauthorized immigrants in the United States.

There were 63,061 homicides from 2010 - 2014 in the United States.

That means .19% (.0019) of ALL MURDERS in the US during 2010-2014 were committed by illegals (released from custody by immigration).

It is tragic that any of these murders happened at all, of course, and I'm certainly not making light of them. Murder, rape and other violent crimes
are incredibly painful events, and the individuals and families involved are not "statistics." We should always seek justice and preventative
measures where we can. The entire immigrant and undocumented population out there, however, is not on a murderous rampage.

It is important to note that one of the most conservative groups, the Center for Immigration Studies, has stated the following:

"There's no evidence that immigrants are either more or less likely to commit crimes than anyone else in the population," Janice Kephart, a
CIS researcher, said last week on the PBS NewsHour.

In the world of the immigration debate, that's as definitive as it gets.

So, while its possible that statistics show a crime rate for illegals being the same as the general population, there is no reason to believe that
they are any worse than native born citizens or other immigrants. Other stats show less crime by immigrants. If you want to believe a conservative
source then go with the CIS determination.

Also see:
Politifact - Trump's claim on Immigration & Crime has no data to back it up:
link

Because there's healthy nationalism and then there is extreme nationalism, there's nothing wrong in loving your country, your people and defend basic
traditions, when that leads to racial killings, burning of multicultural sites, centers of association, now that is part of the extreme we dont want.
You are seeing things in black and white, the same way extreme nationalists do.

I'd say you're talking about the difference between patriotism and nationalism.

Dog whistles? No. Those are far more subtle that what we are hearing coming out of Trump's mouth. They are so loud and clear I wonder that you
cannot hear them?

Are you being selective in your hearing? What part of "banning" and "registering" all Muslims does not have an ethnic slant, as if to say DEAR GOD
EVERY MUSLIM COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY OR EVEN ALREADY HERE COULD BE A TERRORIST!! This isn't "ethnic?" What part of that doesn't imply a need to
"protect" America by keeping it "pure" from THOSE MUSLIM PEOPLE. Geez. I'm surprised he hasn't suggested rounding them all up into FEMA camps...

Then there's the dispersions against all illegal immigrants, calling them "rapists" and "bringing drugs" saying they are, by implication ALL really
really bad people so we have to build a WALL to keep THOSE PEOPLE FROM MEXICO out of America, to keep America "pure" of them.

Now, I won't deny that there are a handful of bad people, criminals, that come illegally over our border - no one denies that. What is scary is how
ALL illegals from Mexico are painted with a broad brush of being not just guilty of crossing our border to seek a better life for themselves and their
family back home, or to join their family here, no, they are ALL BAD people. Beware the Brown Man!

Statistics show very clearly that illegal immigrants are LESS likely to commit crimes than American citizens - why? Well, they try to keep a low
profile and stay out of trouble so they don't get deported. And maybe they aren't bad to begin with.

See???

- AB

Selective hearing you say?
Did Trump say he was going to ban and register all Muslims, or did he say he was going to ban Muslims from entering the country until proper vetting
was in place? What's the full context of the 'Muslim database' comments form last November. Are you interested or do you just want the headline and
the condemnation?

I don't think this has to do with selective hearing - i think it is more to do with interpretation to suit a narrative for political purposes, nothing
to do with the actual words used.

But you crack on.

Perhaps today of all days you should be talking about DNC prejudice, as Bernie Sanders is, after it's become clear the DNC were planning to smear his
Jewish faith. I can understand the need to deflect though in these troubled times for the DNC.

From your link:

The next day, an MSNBC reporter asked Trump, "Should there be a database or system that tracks Muslims in this country?"

"There should be a lot of systems," Trump responded. "Beyond databases. I mean, we should have a lot of systems."

Trump then digressed to talk about a wall along the southern border, before the reporter interjected, "But that’s something your White House would
like to implement."

"I would certainly implement that. Absolutely," Trump said.

Here, we’re not clear if Trump is talking about implementing a wall or implementing a database.

But a few seconds later, when asked how he would register people into a database, Trump said, "It would just be good management."

Finally, the reporter asked if Muslims would legally have to be part of the database.

" Trump said. "Let me just tell you: The key is people can come to the country, but they have to come legally."

While many headlines came out after this exchange saying Trump would "absolutely" require Muslims to register in a database, it’s not entirely clear
that’s what he said. Trump was talking about building a wall along the border when the reporter asked if he would implement an unspecified policy --
"that" -- as president.

Through the end of the conversation, it’s possible Trump thought the exchange was about illegal immigration.

The same day, an NBC reporter also repeatedly asked Trump what the difference is between a registry for Muslims and the registry for Jews under Nazi
Germany, to which Trump only replied, "You tell me."

Later that day, Trump wrote on Twitter, "I didn't suggest a database -- a reporter did. We must defeat Islamic terrorism & have surveillance,
including a watch list, to protect America."

While that is accurate, Trump also did not dismiss the idea of a database.

After Trump’s tweet, Fox News asked him about his position on a Muslim registry.

"Let's hear it directly from you," said host Kimberly Guilfoyle. "Would President Donald Trump support a full Muslim database?"

"Basically the suggestion was made and (it’s) certainly something we should start thinking about," Trump said, repeating that the reporter presented
the idea. "But what I want is a watch list. I want surveillance programs. Obviously, there are a lot of problems. … But, certainly, I would want to
have a database for the refugees, for the Syrian refugees that are coming in because nobody knows where they're coming from."

Guilfoyle followed up: "So to be clear, you are not saying anything with respect to a religious database. You are talking about the Syrian refugees in
light of the national security development affecting this country as we speak here tonight."

Trump said he didn’t hear the MSNBC reporter’s question clearly, "but even if I did, I mean, I want databases for the Syrian refugees that Obama
is going to let in if they come in."

Listening to this interview, we noticed that Trump still didn’t give a definitive "yes" or "no" answer on whether he would want an all-encompassing
Muslim registry, though he said it’s "certainly something we should start thinking about." He also clearly said he wants a registry for Syrian
refugees.

Saturday, Nov. 21

At a rally in Birmingham, Ala., Saturday night, Trump addressed the registry question in a somewhat rambling way but still did not deliver a
straightforward answer.

"So the database -- I said yeah, that’s alright fine," he said. "But they also said the wall, and I said the wall, and I was referring to the wall,
but database is okay, and watch list is okay, and surveillance is okay. If you don’t mind, I want to be -- I want to surveil. I want surveillance of
these people that are coming in -- the Trojan Horse -- I want to know who the hell they are. And the biggest story yesterday -- the biggest -- was
‘Trump wants database on Muslims.’ I said what’s all happening here?"

So forgive me for thinking there just might be something to the idea that Trump is "alright fine" with a database for Muslims.

And, may I also suggest, that he is quite weasel-esque in his answers, walking them back and forth as the need or desire arises. He also sounds like
an idiot. But that's just my opinion. He seems to think he has "the best words."

I'd say the line is blury, Orban built walls to keep the refugees from entering Hungary at will, his speeches are mostly patriotic with a touch of
nationalism, the same with Putin, being that Putin comes from a communist background, what Im seeing right now with general politics is the lines
being blured all the time, very assymetrical times!

Perhaps you could point to this "humanity" you and I are sharing. Is it a feeling? Is it an idea? Help me to understand.

It is biology. We all share 99.9% of our DNA with each other. This shared inheritance produces all of what we call our "identities," including mental
constructions like "nationality.-

We don't share a biology any more than we share bodies. You have no stake in my biology. What we might share is territory, and it's laws, that is if
we live in the same nation. Geography, the enforcement of laws, and borders exist outside the mind. "Shared humanity" does not.

I'd say the line is blury, Orban built walls to keep the refugees from entering Hungary at will, his speeches are mostly patriotic with a touch of
nationalism, the same with Putin, being that Putin comes from a communist background, what Im seeing right now with general politics is the lines
being blured all the time, very assymetrical times!

Ah.

To me, in general, the difference between patriotism and nationalism is one of degree. Patriots love their country because of all the great things
about it; nationalists want to change their countries so that only the things they consider "great" are left.

Perhaps you could point to this "humanity" you and I are sharing. Is it a feeling? Is it an idea? Help me to understand.

It is biology. We all share 99.9% of our DNA with each other. This shared inheritance produces all of what we call our "identities," including mental
constructions like "nationality.-

We don't share a biology any more than we share bodies. You have no stake in my biology. What we might share is territory, and it's laws, that is if
we live in the same nation. Geography, the enforcement of laws, and borders exist outside the mind. "Shared humanity" does not.

Your irrational belief in the existence of laws and borders outside of the mind is a product of your mind. I know this because, unless you are an
extraterrestrial, we share the same biology.

Let’s look at a few numbers. You haven’t seen them in the New York Times, Atlanta Constitution, or the Miami Herald, nor have they been
featured on NBC Nightly news or CNN. So, the average American is blissfully unaware of them.

Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all murder convictions in Florida were criminal aliens. In New York it was 34% and Arizona 17.8%.

During those years, criminal aliens accounted for 38% of all murder convictions in the five states of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New
York, while illegal aliens constitute only 5.6% of the total population in those states.

That 38% represents 7,085 murders out of the total of 18,643.

That 5.6% figure for the average illegal alien population in those five states comes from US Census estimates. We know the real number is double that
official estimate. Yet, even if it is 11%, it is still shameful that the percentage of murders by criminal aliens is more than triple the illegal
population in those states.

Those astounding numbers were compiled by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) using official Department of Justice data on criminal aliens in
the nation’s correctional system. The numbers were the basis for a presentation at a recent New Hampshire conference sponsored by the highly
respected Center for Security Policy.

Let’s look at a few numbers. You haven’t seen them in the New York Times, Atlanta Constitution, or the Miami Herald, nor have they been
featured on NBC Nightly news or CNN. So, the average American is blissfully unaware of them.

Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all murder convictions in Florida were criminal aliens. In New York it was 34% and Arizona 17.8%.

During those years, criminal aliens accounted for 38% of all murder convictions in the five states of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New
York, while illegal aliens constitute only 5.6% of the total population in those states.

That 38% represents 7,085 murders out of the total of 18,643.

That 5.6% figure for the average illegal alien population in those five states comes from US Census estimates. We know the real number is double that
official estimate. Yet, even if it is 11%, it is still shameful that the percentage of murders by criminal aliens is more than triple the illegal
population in those states.

Those astounding numbers were compiled by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) using official Department of Justice data on criminal aliens in
the nation’s correctional system. The numbers were the basis for a presentation at a recent New Hampshire conference sponsored by the highly
respected Center for Security Policy.

That's whatBreitbart wants you to think. The statistics are about convictions. The same statistics could be used to prove that juries are more likely
to convict Hispanics when they are accused of a crime.

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