Easiest to place? The often becoming tired recycled and derivative storylines and recycled aliens (which mostly saved the show) along with the largely weak insipid main characters of... Voyager. And did I mention foamheads? Well okay now I probably made it sound worse than it is, but it is the weakest link.

Doing what I've seen though didn't Picard's show launch recently?TNGDS9VOYTOS/ENT [only because its mixed the others kept my attention far longer]TAS which got really annoying though I do like other animation from the 70s.but I could rearrange them depending on what I feel like at times when I watch them although TNG is my first and it will always be first.

-------phenomenal at their best1- TNG2- DIS3- TOS4- DS9--------Big gap5- TAS6- VOY7- ENTWe're all so far in agreement that TNG was a masterpiece. 2-4 can easily change places based on episode and mood, but the rest are set for me

-------phenomenal at their best1- TNG2- DIS3- TOS4- DS9--------Big gap5- TAS6- VOY7- ENTWe're all so far in agreement that TNG was a masterpiece. 2-4 can easily change places based on episode and mood, but the rest are set for me

You have STD at the second spot. Even better than TOS that started it all?

I liked Enterprise a lot more than some people. I guess because it has origin stuff in it and I like Scotty B. I don’t like DS9 because it’s all about race wars and fighting and crap making it closer to Tolkien than Heinlein IMHO. It needed less NFL and more MIT. Voyager totally repelled me and AFAIK everyone back in the day but furries have a safe space now so it’s only natural that public opinion has trended upwards. I don’t have any opinions about the others.

Glad you said it. Very often underrated imho. Following on from Voyager just showed up so much of that show as quite tired and ordinary. When it was cancelled at Season 4 and they let loose on some pent up storylines it was just so great.

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I don’t like DS9 because it’s all about race wars and fighting and crap making it closer to Tolkien than Heinlein IMHO. It needed less NFL and more MIT.

I get that. But the show was al about doing something different as there was the TNG overlap. Star Trek still needed conflict even if not from the main characters; so if from a whole different race from a different sector of the galaxy? The Dominion were the new Klingons?

Have to say that of all the ST shows DS9 had the most fabulous group of regular character actors performing; Gul Dukat, Quark, Garak, Weyoun/Brunt, Grand Negus and many others I failed to mention; though Jeffrey Combs, Marc Alaimo and Andrew Robinson are some personal favourites.

I have to shamefully admit that I've never see a single Star Trek episode in my whole life...

Then next you'll be telling us you never saw a single Star Wars movie either!!How does this happen? It's almost like you'd have to actively avoid ever seeing something so culturally pervasive!!

Star Wars I have... many times!

But Star Trek had next to 0 traction in France when I was a kid.We kind of knew who Spock was, but mostly because of the pointy ears.

I think "La 5" channel ran a few episodes here and there when they had nothing else to fill up airtime, but nobody really cared.I would be surprised that any series had a full run-time on French mainstream TV.

I guess most of the kids in France believe Star Trek started at the new movies reboot and that there wasn't much before that!

Wow. I think we may have discovered something very important about France here.

So what is all your sci-fi inspired by? I mean before Heavy Metal Magazine.

Star Trek TOS was basically a way to get people who didn’t read into sci-fi and it’s completely tied to the golden age of sci-fi and it’s writers. It was the basis for a lot of stuff. Not the particulars but the overall philosophy. Gundam, for example simply never would have existed without Star Trek.

Another big contributing element to sci-fi in France was the illustrations by Moebius aka Jean Giraud.Guy was one of the greatest artist/writers of the 20th Century.

Big inspiration for motivating Alejandro Jodorowsky's attempt at bringing Dune to the big screen in the 1970's.I am easily impressed by creativity however this artist was over the top talented with free hand illustrations.

Watched a documentary about Jodorowsky and his Dune obsession in which Moebius had some candid insights and examples of his impromptu free hand skills.

I can see France being a culturally target rich environment for Science Fiction fans especially after Luc Besson's epic "Valarian and the City of Ten Thousand Planets" release.What a creative venture. Had to buy the dvd as soon as released for all the extra content and deleted scenes.Amazed by all the talented and enthusiastic peeps on hand in every spectrum of movie making.

Really would like to go back to France and spend some extended time rovering around the bookstores near and far.

Another big contributing element to sci-fi in France was the illustrations by Moebius aka Jean Giraud.Guy was one of the greatest artist/writers of the 20th Century.

Moebius/Jean Giraud had an amazing career, influencing Hollywood and Japan.

(Wikipedia: Esteemed by Federico Fellini, Stan Lee and Hayao Miyazaki among others,[2] he has been described as the most influential bandes dessinées artist after Hergé. Mœbius also contributed storyboards and concept designs to numerous science fiction and fantasy films, such as Alien, Tron, The Fifth Element and The Abyss.)

I met him a few times at the yearly comic book fair that happened to take place in the city next to mine.

Later that year I went to the House of Belgium in Paris organizing a signing session with Stefan Wul (the author of the novel behind Time Masters) and Moebius was casually hanging around in the room. I had the novel book signed by both Wul and Moebius

I would put him #1 and as a #2 I'd vote for Syd Mead who... collaborated on Star Trek: The Motion Picture, just to make sure we're not too off-topic!

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