Eran Efrati is now under arrest by Israeli authorities for his comments made earlier this week about the illegal killing of civilians in Gaza by IDF
members. He had been informed by the IDF that the reason of the massacre in Shuja’iyya which had been carried out a week earlier was revenenge for
the deaths of soliders in there units.

Soldiers in two different units inside Gaza leaked information about the murdering of Palestinians by sniper fire in Shuja’iyya neighborhood as
punishment for the death of soldiers in their units. After the shooting on the Israeli armored personnel carriers, which killed seven soldiers of the
Golani Brigade, the Israeli army carried out a massacre in Shuja’iyya neighborhood. A day after the massacre, many Palestinians came to search for
their relatives and their families in the rubble. In one of the videos uploaded to YouTube, a young Palestinian man Salem Shammaly calls the names of
his family and looking for them between the ruins when he is suddenly shot at in his chest and falls down. A few seconds after that, there are two
additional shootings from snipers into his body, killing him instantly. Since the video was released, there was no official response from the IDF
spokesperson.

Both of them, no taking sides. We cannot legitimise either sides murders.

Taking sides in this conflict is the same as making excuses for murder. It needs to stop.

The Isreali soldier did the right thing exposing this. Would be cool is someone from Hamas did the same (exposing their crimes against Palestinians).
We could get the ball moving towards some kind of deal. If it stays one sided, it will never stop as the other side will feel victimised and will not
want that.

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If 2 kids are hitting each other in the playground, should the teacher take sides or reprimand them both equally?

Reminds me of Kiev....no they were shot by their own snipers....still,...
I guess my point is that life seems pretty cheap all over....these days...
I am appalled, but no longer surprised by the shooting or the arrest....everyone needs a scapegoat and its somebody elses turn....
It just doesn't seem to ever stop......

originally posted by: pennydrops
Both Hamas and the Isreali govt need to be prosecuted for war crimes.

Both of them, no taking sides. We cannot legitimise either sides murders.

Taking sides in this conflict is the same as making excuses for murder. It needs to stop.

The Isreali soldier did the right thing exposing this. Would be cool is someone from Hamas did the same (exposing their crimes against Palestinians).
We could get the ball moving towards some kind of deal. If it stays one sided, it will never stop as the other side will feel victimised and will not
want that.

If 2 kids are hitting each other in the playground, should the teacher take sides or reprimand them both equally?

Both...

BUT... where we again and again see / hear Palestinians who aren't really too keen on the work of Hamas, you will however find that 85% of the
Israeli population actually agrees with Netanyahu.

So the Palestinians are people who just want to live any peace, like any other rational being and the majority of the Israelis are people who think
that ALL Palestinians should be punish for the wrong doings of Hamas.

So it's not really a case of kid vs kid, but more of one group of kids facing another group of kids.
One kid from each group steps forward and hits each other. However the first group doesn't really like what they see and are maybe saying "please
stop... stop that fighting" and the other group is say "look at them.... lets kick their ass because their "friend" is hitting our friend."

In a conflict (I don't call it a war because one side cannot wage a legitimate war) you are likely going to lose soldiers especially when it is a
ground assault. To turn around and attack civilians on purpose and for means of revenge is nothing more that gutless and the cowards who can find a
way to justify these actions need to be brought to justice, not the man exposing them for their disgusting actions.

It's sort of like me and my next door neighbor getting into a fight and then I confront the guy across the road and hit him for something he didn't do
in the first place.. The logic is ridiculous and I'd hate to have the mindsets of some of these people we continue to hear about.

originally posted by: pennydrops
Both Hamas and the Isreali govt need to be prosecuted for war crimes.

Both of them, no taking sides. We cannot legitimise either sides murders.

Taking sides in this conflict is the same as making excuses for murder. It needs to stop.

The Isreali soldier did the right thing exposing this. Would be cool is someone from Hamas did the same (exposing their crimes against Palestinians).
We could get the ball moving towards some kind of deal. If it stays one sided, it will never stop as the other side will feel victimised and will not
want that.

If 2 kids are hitting each other in the playground, should the teacher take sides or reprimand them both equally?

Both for war crimes?
I could see pressing charges against israel for war crimes, but hamas is only guilty of attempted murder.
Killing invading soldiers is just fine by me as they are invading and all.
Similar to someone breaking into your house looking to kill you, kill them first hopefully.
This whistleblowing soldier is only looking out for his nation as he apparently sees a crime, too bad all soldiers did not have a conscience.

In a conflict you are likely going to lose soldiers especially when it is a ground assault. To turn around and attack civilians on purpose and for
means of revenge is nothing more that gutless and the cowards who can find a way to justify these actions need to be brought to justice, not the man
exposing them for their disgusting actions.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Oh the fake sniper story again, been debunked a kabillion times already.

It's good they got the perpetrator.

Hoax bin

Revenge attacks by Israel are a Hoax? What about the children who were gunned down when the IDF were raiding Palestinian homes after the Israeli teens
went missing? They are revenge killings. This doesn't even come close to a Hoax.

Oh the fake sniper story again, been debunked a kabillion times already. It's good they got the perpetrator. Hoax bin

If you have a real reason for calling this a hoax please let me know and I will have the thread moved. But until such times this is worthy of
investigation. People have died and if this is the cause of some of the deaths then it needs to be know.

If 2 kids are hitting each other in the playground, should the teacher take sides or reprimand them both equally?

Good question.
If one kid is known to be a bully and has been know to be violent in the past, maybe that kid should be reprimanded.
The other kids DON'T have to live through that and should be separated from an aggressive child who deeply believes he's superior to everyone and
because of his "supposed" superiority, is allowed to respond with as much violence as he wants.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Oh the fake sniper story again, been debunked a kabillion times already.

It's good they got the perpetrator.

Hoax bin

Pot meet kettle.

I find it deeply amusing that you go on these tirades when you yourself have been caught posting propaganda, and have had two of your own threads
debunked and chucked into the hoax bin.

Instead of posting a pointless comment, why not provide information as to why the incident is a hoax?

My personal opinion on the matter is that any revenge killings could be possible. Additionally, the arrest of any whistleblower or activist is not out
of question. Many in the Israeli government have called for the arrest of Gideon Levy, and Israeli journalist, simply for speaking his mind.

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