try these from ebay. the 828 and the 858 are great tripods. one is sitting right here with me.got my 858s (legs only) for about 33usd total, inc. shipping.. set a limit and stick to it on bids.. if you don't get the first one then maybe you'll get the fifth one.. ck 'already sold items' for a base to set your limit at.. these are a manfrotto knockoffs that sells for about 200usd.. in the camera store here i can't tell the difference.http://photography.search.ebay.com/_...sZamvonaQ2ecom