As a proud and longstanding member of the Excreta party, I have to agree with the original post.

Seriously, I have no disrespect towards people who do use these symbols, but I do recognize what the media and tradition has done to them. Perception IS reality in most people's minds in this "sound-bite" oriented world.

I don't want to put words into the original poster's mouth, but I think he may be trying to say to fight the war before you, and not the ones of the past.

My contention is this:

Whether it is wrong or right, certain images have become associated with a negative connotation in society today. By utilizing these images, it is allowing our detractors to label us, place us in little categories, and dismiss us outright. It gives them an excuse to marginalize us.

I don't think anyone would ask or suggest we forget history or our heritage. Rather what we would be asked to do is to utilize strategy and tactics in a war of minds. I see a lot here that we are in a struggle for the hearts and minds of others. Far too many neophyte supporters of WN are frankly scared and unwilling to approach or be identified with someone in a KKK outfit or SS uniform.

Again, no disrespect intended.

We should make it as easy as possible and as comfortable as possible for these people to approach us. After all, they are still taking the small steps.

My master's degree is in Public Relations. In this field of study, we are taught to craft images and words that will reach people's minds and hearts. We are taught an awareness of public reaction and public perception. We were also taught the history of the field of Public Relations.

No one would question Nazi Germany's use of PR strategies (which was an industry in its infancy) to achieve its goals. Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Göring were cutting edge in their approach to reaching the public.

We should be willing to remain cutting edge.

-- John

Exactly. I work in marketing and the idea of putting a NAZI, Condederate, KKK, etc. symbol on a product you want to sell to white people is crazy.

It's like putting a Crypts symbol on something and trying to sell it to black people.

Straight off the bat you are going to have problems:

* The rival groups aren't going to like it.

* The average person will see it as radical and steer clear of it.

* You get a bad rep for creating a product for 'evil hate groups'.

It would be complete corporate suicide to try this for a big company and a destiny of failure if you were a start-up.

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It's great that you have a master's degree. People like you are invaluable to the survival and proliferation of White Nationalism. We need people with a professional background to help create an image of modern day White Nationalism that will overshadow all of these splintered 'hate organizations'.

I think this person has a ridiculously good point. It was very well written and clearly thought out. Ive often wondered the same thing myself, but couldnt have hoped to so eloquently communicate it.

If mass acceptance among whites is the goal, maybe a different approach will be more successful? Lose the ties to Hitler altogether, lose the stigma.

Also, "Grand Imperial Wizard" LMFAO! No offence, but you have to admit, it just sounds silly..... really really silly.

And regarding racist skinheads, I still don't understand why you all dress the same as the original, non racist skinheads. Maybe Im wrong but my understanding of skinhead culture is that it started as a non-racist, non-political thing....... so what's up with that? Why piggy-back on something that you blatantly disagree with? I could be wrong, don't get upset....

A modern and distinct symbology is indeed important [which we have], but so is honouring the past efforts along a similar vein of thought to our own.

In that context I see myself as being a fan of the 'Celtic Cross' and the use of symbolic runes. However, at the same time I honour the swastika and confederate flag for what they represented in their era, and what to this day they still represent to my mind. All symbols of 'White Racialism' are welcome in my book, just some carry more negative public connotations than others.

It wouldn't matter if you dressed in pink with a feather boa, and had a rainbow flag. If you have a similar belief system akin to WN [and are White], then you will always be a 'genocidal hatemonger' in the eyes of the Jew and those who ally themselves with the Jew.

My point is not to look like a thug, IE when you see the original NAZIs they don't look like guys in wife-beaters with swastika tatoos all over them.

If there were NAZIs who did like look like that, they would be kept out of the spotlight and seen as radicals by the leaders (at least to the public).

You are stereotyping. Do you know any Nazis? I do, and they don't dress like that. They are perfectly respectable people. The general public hates us, they always will as long as Jews control the media.

I think this person has a ridiculously good point. It was very well written and clearly thought out. Ive often wondered the same thing myself, but couldnt have hoped to so eloquently communicate it.

If mass acceptance among whites is the goal, maybe a different approach will be more successful? Lose the ties to Hitler altogether, lose the stigma.

Also, "Grand Imperial Wizard" LMFAO! No offence, but you have to admit, it just sounds silly..... really really silly.

And regarding racist skinheads, I still don't understand why you all dress the same as the original, non racist skinheads. Maybe Im wrong but my understanding of skinhead culture is that it started as a non-racist, non-political thing....... so what's up with that? Why piggy-back on something that you blatantly disagree with? I could be wrong, don't get upset....

For everyone else, these people are ultra bad guys who lost and who radical pissed off white people try to identify with because they are outcasts in modern day society.

But yet they are coming around in growing numbers to a pseudo-WN outlook and as I've said before there is a lot more support for WN in white society, but many are openly afraid of saying such things for the justifiable reason of high sanction being used against them.

Ever wondered why every couple of years [for example] they find out some new academic is a 'Neo-Nazi/Racist/Hater' and have to attack him/her in the a-typical manner [ ad hominem ], as outlined so well by Zirkle (1954), Shockley (1968), Davies (1988), Pearson (1992) and Rushton and Jensen (2005)?

The latest example being the highly decorated Professor Frank Ellis of Leeds University (Russian and Slavonic Studies) in the United Kingdom.

The fact we are the proverbial heretics of 'Modernity' is irrelevant, and in many ways works in our favour, when dealing with the intellectual refuse often thrown at us by 'anti-racists' and 'respectable conservatives'.

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White Nationalism needs to appeal to most whites in the nation

It is being done very effectively, especially in Europe [where I reside].

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or it shall forever remain a frindge group

Need I quote Margaret Mead for you?

I may disagree with her on nearly everything, but she did get one thing right; about how a small group utterly dedicated people can change the world to bend to their will.

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with a bad rep.

That cuts both ways, in some ways I see it as a boon, since the fact we have the most atrocious (and inaccurate) stereotypes applied to us [fairly regularly] lends people to believe those stereotypes hold absolute truth in their dealing with us.

When they find out it is completely the opposite [as in many of us are highly educated and well adjusted], it allows some of them the chance to get rid of much of their educational indoctrination and brush away the cobwebs into the realms of actual fact, as opposed to an ideologically airbrushed world view (see Murray (1994) and Whitney (2002)).

We are very much on the march; Stormfront in itself is a reflection of this fact as you could see by browsing some of CAL's stats.