It's always sad when members of the family buy into conspiracy theories. The forensics of what happened that day do not match up with two gunmen; only one. If there had been a shooter on the famed "grassy knoll", Jackie would have gotten her head blown off after the 3rd shot. All you'd need to do is see how closely their heads were touching just one second before that shot was fired, to see she would have been killed herself if it came from the side, rather than behind.

Maybe he wants to make some sense of what a horrible tragedy it, and I can't blame him for that, but fooling yourself isn't going to make whatever pain you might still be feeling, suddenly disappear.

Coco LaFemme:It's always sad when members of the family buy into conspiracy theories. The forensics of what happened that day do not match up with two gunmen; only one. If there had been a shooter on the famed "grassy knoll", Jackie would have gotten her head blown off after the 3rd shot. All you'd need to do is see how closely their heads were touching just one second before that shot was fired, to see she would have been killed herself if it came from the side, rather than behind.

Maybe he wants to make some sense of what a horrible tragedy it, and I can't blame him for that, but fooling yourself isn't going to make whatever pain you might still be feeling, suddenly disappear.

RFK jr believes, because his father Bobby believed the Warren Commission was full of shiat. And, of course, there's the added issue of Sirhan Sirhan being the only gunman who assassinated Bobby.... or not. The prestine 'magic bullet' points to shenanigans.

I think that people buy into conspiracy theories (by the way, I hate the misuse of the word "theory"; they're "hypotheses") because they have a difficult time dealing with the fact that one nobody can change the course of history.

My question is just this. Let's pretend everything we've been told about Oswald is true. This guy is a trained shooter and decides to take out the President. Obviously not an easy task because there's not going to be many windows of opportunity. How fortunate that JFK will be visiting town. So obviously he'll take his gun to work that day. His work that just happens to be the perfect spot to shoot from but he's had the job for months/years. And no one else was involved at any point to make that cosmic coincidence happen.

KiwDaWabbit:I think that people buy into conspiracy theories (by the way, I hate the misuse of the word "theory"; they're "hypotheses") because they have a difficult time dealing with the fact that one nobody can change the course of history.

Seeing as how you can't falsify the conspiracy it cannot be a hypothesis.

FTFA: Robert Kennedy said his father spent a year trying to come to grips with his brother's death. He said his read writings by Greek philosophers, Catholic scholars, poets and Henry David Thoreau "trying to figure out kind of the existential implications of why a just God would allow injustice to happen of the magnitude he was seeing."

Well, Bob, sorry to have to break this to you, but the university is indifferent. And HD Thoreau is perhaps the most overrated author in all of American literature.

OldManDownDRoad:FTFA: Robert Kennedy said his father spent a year trying to come to grips with his brother's death. He said his read writings by Greek philosophers, Catholic scholars, poets and Henry David Thoreau "trying to figure out kind of the existential implications of why a just God would allow injustice to happen of the magnitude he was seeing."

Well, Bob, sorry to have to break this to you, but the university is indifferent. And HD Thoreau is perhaps the most overrated author in all of American literature.

RFK Jr. is a drugged-up idiot, like the rest of the family. His entire life has been spent embracing various conspiracy theories and pseudoscience of the environmental variety. The entire Kennedy clan needs to sit the fark down and shut the fark up; they've dumbed down and polluted our politics long enough.

OK it was me. I did it. I was on the grassy owl. Although i was only 7 months old at the time, I was able to use a toe nail I had filed down to a razor's edge to cut the webbing on the side of my crib. I used my teddy bear as a weapon rest and i was able to get of two goo head shots before I shiat myself and then has a severe gas bubble which made me cry, therefor, messing up my sight picture before I was able to get off a third shot.Lucky for me I was able to shake it all of, climb in my bouncy tot baby walker and scoot away , making a somewhat "clean" escape.The only thing that bothered me is I could *never* get proper heading on the plastic compass and those got-damn plastic poppy balls kept giving away my location.

GoodyearPimp:My question is just this. Let's pretend everything we've been told about Oswald is true. This guy is a trained shooter and decides to take out the President. Obviously not an easy task because there's not going to be many windows of opportunity. How fortunate that JFK will be visiting town. So obviously he'll take his gun to work that day. His work that just happens to be the perfect spot to shoot from but he's had the job for months/years. And no one else was involved at any point to make that cosmic coincidence happen.

Well, odder things have happened. It was a wrong turn after a first assassination attempt that put Archduke Franz Ferdinand within reach of his assassin setting off WWI.

ExperianScaresCthulhu:Coco LaFemme: It's always sad when members of the family buy into conspiracy theories. The forensics of what happened that day do not match up with two gunmen; only one. If there had been a shooter on the famed "grassy knoll", Jackie would have gotten her head blown off after the 3rd shot. All you'd need to do is see how closely their heads were touching just one second before that shot was fired, to see she would have been killed herself if it came from the side, rather than behind.

Maybe he wants to make some sense of what a horrible tragedy it, and I can't blame him for that, but fooling yourself isn't going to make whatever pain you might still be feeling, suddenly disappear.

RFK jr believes, because his father Bobby believed the Warren Commission was full of shiat. And, of course, there's the added issue of Sirhan Sirhan being the only gunman who assassinated Bobby.... or not. The prestine 'magic bullet' points to shenanigans.

Jacky O and Bobby were well known to believe that the Cubans were involved in the assassination. Which is understandle since Lee Harvey Oswald was well known to associate with procastro Cubans, many of whom were certainly Cuban or soviet intelligence agents. The Warren Report is a cover up by taking somebody who had Soviet and Cuban intelligence all over him and writing it up that he was a lone gun man. For obvious reasons that the truth could have started world war. That's why Bobby and Jacky silently aquicesed.

Saying "Bobby didn't believe in the Warren Report" to imply he was a full on Jim Garrison multiple shooter/government conspiracist is extremely dishonest. The only question if the CIA were in fact involved is if it was through double agents in the Soviet - Cuban intelligence. The Jim garrison theories of hundreds of homosexual government and mafia agencies is completely bunk.

And the magic bullet wasn't magic. John Connaly was just sitting a couple inches to the left of JFK, so their bodies wouldn't match up completely. And the bullet isn't so pristine when you look at it from the other side.

Literally everything supports that Oswald was the shooter. The only question is who were his financial or intelligence ties, if any.

GoodyearPimp:My question is just this. Let's pretend everything we've been told about Oswald is true. This guy is a trained shooter and decides to take out the President. Obviously not an easy task because there's not going to be many windows of opportunity. How fortunate that JFK will be visiting town. So obviously he'll take his gun to work that day. His work that just happens to be the perfect spot to shoot from but he's had the job for months/years. And no one else was involved at any point to make that cosmic coincidence happen.

In some ways, he was too good to be a patsy.A defector to Communism who came back with a russian bride and took pot luck shots at another guy not too long before? How was he not sent by the red?!

They probably had to make quite a few frantic phone calls to keep a nuclear war from starting.If this was a setup, it would just be some nameless foreigner from the middle of nowhere who could walk up and shoot Kennedy at point blank. They wouldn't have gone to the trouble of a difficult long range shot at moving targets.

the real question is not whether it was a lone gunman, but instead whether oswald was just another in the long line of 'insane hitmen' used by the mafia and other bad actors to do their dirty work.

Yeah, online idiots, there is a long tradition of powerful people and organizations using/manipulating crazy/unstable wack jobs to do their dirty work. Oswald may have been such, and Sirhan Sirhan probably was such.

GoodyearPimp:My question is just this. Let's pretend everything we've been told about Oswald is true. This guy is a trained shooter and decides to take out the President. Obviously not an easy task because there's not going to be many windows of opportunity. How fortunate that JFK will be visiting town. So obviously he'll take his gun to work that day. His work that just happens to be the perfect spot to shoot from but he's had the job for months/years. And no one else was involved at any point to make that cosmic coincidence happen.

You're making it sound like waaaay more of a coincidence than it was. JFK visited lots of cities and the Texas Book Depository was no better a vantage point on the route he took (which was ten miles long and went right through the center of Dallas) than a hundred other buildings would have been.

The motorcade passes the Texas School Book Depository and moves slowly toward the TripleUnderpass. At the sixth- floor window, Lee Harvey Oswald sights carefully through the Carcano-Mannlicher: his mouth is dry, desert dry. But his heartbeat is normal; and no sweat stands out on hisforehead. This is the moment, he is thinking, the one moment transcending time and hazard, heredityand environment, the final test and proof of free will and of my right to call myself a man. In thismoment, now, as I tighten the trigger, the Tyrant dies, and with him all the lies of a cruel,mendacious epoch. It is a supreme exaltation, this moment and this knowledge: and yet his mouth isdry, dust -dry, dry as death, as if his salivary glands alone rebelled against the murder which hisintellect pronounced necessary and just. Now: He recalls the military formula BASS: Breathe, Aim,Slack, Squeeze. He breathes, he aims, he slacks, he starts to squeeze, as a dog barks suddenly -And his mouth falls open in astonishment as three shots ring out, obviously from the direction of theGrassy Knoll and Triple Underpass.

"Son- of-a -biatch," he said, softly as a prayer. And he began to grin, a rictus not of omnipotence suchas he had expected but of something different and unexpected and therefore better - omniscience. Thatsmirk appeared in all the photos during the next day and a half, before his own death, a sneeringsmile that said so clearly that none dared to read it: I know something you don't know. That grimaceonly faded Sunday morning when Jack Ruby pumped two bullets into Lee's frail fanatic body, and itssecret went with him to the grave.

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(Harry Coin curls his long body into a knot of tension, resting on his elbows and sighting theRemington rifle carefully, as the motorcade passes the Book Depository and heads toward his perchon the triple underpass. He could see Bernard Barker from the CIA down on the grassy knoll. If hecarried this off right, they promised him more jobs; it would be the end of petty crime for him, thebeginning of big -time money. In a way he was sorry: Kennedy seemed like a nice enough youngfellow-Harry would like to make it with both him and that hot-looking wife of his at the sametime - but money talks and sentiment is only for fools. He released the bolt action, ignoring thesudden barking of a dog, and took aim - just as the three shots resounded from the grassy knoll."Jesus Motherfarkin' Christ," he said; and then he caught the glint of the rifle in the Book Depositorywindow. Great God Almighty, how the fark many of us are there here?" he cried out, scampering tohis feet and starting to run.)

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"You mean . . . you mean . . . Did Oswald really do it? Did he shoot before you?""No, no," Volpe is miserable. "Let me explain it as clearly as I can. I'm there on top of the DallasCounty Records Building like we planned, see? The motorcade turns onto Elm and heads for theunderpass. I use my magnifying sight, swinging the whole gun around to look through it, just tomake one last check that I have all the Feds spotted. When I face the School Book Depository, Icatch this rifle. That was Oswald, I guess. Then I check out the grassy knoll and, goddam, there'sanother cat with a rifle. I just went cold. I couldn't figure it out. While I'm in this state, like a zombie,a dog barks and just then the guy in the grassy knoll calm and cool as if he was at a shooting rangelays three of them right into the car. That's it," Volpe ends miserably. "I can't take the money. The . .. Brotherhood . . . would have my ass if they ever found out the truth."Maldonado sat silently, rubbing his famous nose as he did when making a hard decision. "You're agood boy, Bennie. I give you ten percent of the money, just for being honest. We need more honestyoung boys like you in the Brotherhood."Volpe swallowed again, and said, "There's one more thing I oughta tell you. I went down to thegrassy knoll, after the cops run from there to the School Book Depository. I thought I might find theguy who did the shooting still hanging around and tell you what he looked like. He was long gone,though. But here's what so spooky. I ran into another galoot; who was sneaking down from the tripleunderpass. Long, skinny guy with buck teeth, kind of reminded me of a python or some kind ofsnake. He just looks at me and my umbrella and guesses what's in itHis mouth falls open. 'Jesus Christ and his black bastard brother Harry,' he says, 'how the fark manypeople does it take to kill a President these days?'"

Amos Quito:Yeah, that impudent JFK was definitely making some risky political moves in those days. Pissed the wrong people off. The idiot thought that he actually had authoritay just because he was President.

RFK was of the same mindset.

Teddy, OTOH, learned from the mistakes of his brothers. He did as he was told, and was rewarded with a long life.

Actually, Bobby did piss a lot of people off as the Attorney General. However, being a high-profile political figure in the United States in the 1960's was risky in and of itself.

SirDigbyChickenCaesar:KiwDaWabbit: I think that people buy into conspiracy theories (by the way, I hate the misuse of the word "theory"; they're "hypotheses") because they have a difficult time dealing with the fact that one nobody can change the course of history.

Seeing as how you can't falsify the conspiracy it cannot be a hypothesis.

True, but along those same principles it can't be a theory either. We need a new word.

Robert Kennedy said his father spent a year trying to come to grips with his brother's death. He said his read writings by Greek philosophers, Catholic scholars, poets and Henry David Thoreau "trying to figure out kind of the existential implications of why a just God would allow injustice to happen of the magnitude he was seeing."

It's pretty clear that JFK was shot by JFK from a timeline where JFK wasn't shot leading to nuclear blackmail causing his impeachment and imprisonment.

Just ask these guys.

And Dave would have been disappointed if he had landed at a Dallas area Indian restaurant. They actually cater to Indians (dot not feather) and has little resemblance to British Indian restaurants. It's sort of like the difference between going to Kirin Court for chicken paw and dim sum vs Panda Express./Does Jr have a book to sell?

ExperianScaresCthulhu:Coco LaFemme: It's always sad when members of the family buy into conspiracy theories. The forensics of what happened that day do not match up with two gunmen; only one. If there had been a shooter on the famed "grassy knoll", Jackie would have gotten her head blown off after the 3rd shot. All you'd need to do is see how closely their heads were touching just one second before that shot was fired, to see she would have been killed herself if it came from the side, rather than behind.

Maybe he wants to make some sense of what a horrible tragedy it, and I can't blame him for that, but fooling yourself isn't going to make whatever pain you might still be feeling, suddenly disappear.

RFK jr believes, because his father Bobby believed the Warren Commission was full of shiat. And, of course, there's the added issue of Sirhan Sirhan being the only gunman who assassinated Bobby.... or not. The prestine 'magic bullet' points to shenanigans.

If the JFK assassination were a game of Clue, every game would end with "Lee Harvey Oswald, in the Book depository, with the Mannlicher rifle". The evidence is simply overwhelming, forensically and otherwise.

Now the problem is, all the obsessing about HOW Kennedy was killed makes it impossible to have a serious discussion about WHY he was killed without appearing to be just one more "conspiracy nut"

Oswald certainly COULD have been a deranged loner, his personal history is pretty strong evidence of that. However, the fact that his uncle was a fairly high-raking organized crime figure, and Oswald's killer also had strong mob ties, and the assassination came shortly after RFK began his anti-mafia crusade (the reported involvement of the mob in securing Cook County for Kennedy, at his father's behest), at least raises a serious circumstantial argument that Kennedy mght have been killed on orders from the Mafia. If that wer true, it would write an extraordinary new chapter of our history as we'd be forced to examine just HOW powerful the Mob really was in this country and how it influenced the history we think we know

Gunther:GoodyearPimp: My question is just this. Let's pretend everything we've been told about Oswald is true. This guy is a trained shooter and decides to take out the President. Obviously not an easy task because there's not going to be many windows of opportunity. How fortunate that JFK will be visiting town. So obviously he'll take his gun to work that day. His work that just happens to be the perfect spot to shoot from but he's had the job for months/years. And no one else was involved at any point to make that cosmic coincidence happen.

You're making it sound like waaaay more of a coincidence than it was. JFK visited lots of cities and the Texas Book Depository was no better a vantage point on the route he took (which was ten miles long and went right through the center of Dallas) than a hundred other buildings would have been.

It also assumes there was some higher authority controlling Oswalds position as an assassin. In fact, he could have just been a long line of mentally unstable idiots who get caught doing something stupid. It just so happened he looked in the paper and saw that he would have a good vantage point at his work to take a few pot shots, something he already tried once.

KiwDaWabbit:I think that people buy into conspiracy theories (by the way, I hate the misuse of the word "theory"; they're "hypotheses") because they have a difficult time dealing with the fact that one nobody can change the course of history.

Precisely. It's a little scary to face the fact that one lone nut can have such an impact on world history, and the thought of a secret, evil cabal behind it is paradoxically more comforting, because at least it means that someone's in control. There's nothing more frightening in this world than chaos and uncertainty, particularly when it takes away our shining avatar of our future potential.