Verse for "once saved always saved"?

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Ah! I like your honesty!! "The words you are asking for aren't there" but "the truth of those words is" -- I think the controversy between eternal security and arminianism need not be: Why can't we all believe the truth of God's grace and power to keep the believer without making statements about what God can or cannot do?

Gr8grace

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Eph. 2:8 I have studied Greek and taught Greek for 20 years, and I have used Wuest's ideas on this verse many times: But I don't see the verse stating that "once a person is saved, it is impossible for them to lose their salvation"

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Eph. 2:8 I have studied Greek and taught Greek for 20 years, and I have used Wuest's ideas on this verse many times: But I don't see the verse stating that "once a person is saved, it is impossible for them to lose their salvation"

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Our work only contributes to or better stated evidences sanctification not salvation.

Birds fly, fish swim but Christians grow. Sanctification is growth. Salvation is a gift of grace. God knows we cannot save ourselves and God knows a long as we are in these bodies of flesh we cannot keep ourselves saved. Grace once given is never repented of by God. God never stops loving us and God loves the sinner even as he is cast into the lake of fire. It is his sin that causes him to be condemned.

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Ah, Mr. Crossnote, is it fair to try to make me to be a person who doesn't believe in the Trinity? There are clear Scripture verses that state the deity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But it is true that the word "Trinity" is not found in Scripture, but the concept is clearly there. That is what I am asking about "eternal security" -- Is it a doctrine stated clearly in a verse or is it a doctrine derived from Scriptural principles?

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Despite years of Bible study and talking to many people, I have not yet had anyone show me a verse that clearly says "once saved, always saved?" Is there such a verse in the Bible, or is the doctrine of eternal security a conclusion from study of Scriptural themes and principles?/QUOTE]

No such verse is in the bible but it is implied and is definitely derived from a conclusion of scriptural themes and principles. Welcome to CC.

28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are onel

John 10:28-30King James Version (KJV)

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

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Ephesians 1:13-14 (KJV)13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

4:30, "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

Scripture states that through believing the Gospel of Christ, the gospel of our salvation, we are sealed unto the day of redemption which is our promise and guarantee that it will happen. What is the redemption?

Romans 8:23, "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."

The redemption is when we are fully adopted. We should always be careful about building a doctrine based upon one verse in the Bible.

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Gr8grace

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Ah, Mr. Crossnote, is it fair to try to make me to be a person who doesn't believe in the Trinity? There are clear Scripture verses that state the deity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But it is true that the word "Trinity" is not found in Scripture, but the concept is clearly there. That is what I am asking about "eternal security" -- Is it a doctrine stated clearly in a verse or is it a doctrine derived from Scriptural principles?

Both. It is clearly presented in definite terms and it is clearly presented in doctrinal principles.

I wish we could hear Paul say Eph 2:8. That would cast doubt out.

And Logic based on His Character and nature. If we could lose salvation......the consequence is the Eternal lake of Fire. Our Father would CLEARLY tell His Children EXACTLY where we would lose salvation if we could.

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Gal. 3:3 -- Powerful verse - 100% true: but it doesn't state that "once saved, always saved". I wonder if you quoting this means that you feel that anyone not believing "once saved always saved" believes that it is works that keeps a person saved?