Issue is I know its reference and a lower clock but is it reliable? $279 with rebate for 670 and 2 good games is hard to beat.. IMO. Or would i be better off paying extra for the 7970 or non reference 670. I've never had a pny GPU, i've used memory/flash drives from them but nothing over 30 bucks before lol.

They have reviews and benchmark testing of ALL video cards and will give you an accurate rating as well as decent reviews. Also, consider reading up on the hardware builds they do and which card they used.

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That's a pretty good deal if you regard rebates as "free" or want the games that are bundled. If you regard rebates as enough of a hassle that you won't bother, it's still not bad.

PNY is Nvidia's board partner that handles Quadro cards, and professional graphics cards are the ultra-high end as far as build quality and customer support goes. That surely means that Nvidia thinks PNY can do very well on those counts when so inclined. Of course, buying a GeForce card won't get you that same level of build quality and customer support as a Quadro card, but that plus drivers heavily optimized for certain (non-game) programs is what you're paying for if you buy a professional graphics card. Even so, while PNY isn't the best known vendor in the consumer world, I'd hardly lump them in with cheap junk board partners like Sparkle.

Citing BFG offering a lifetime warranty is rather ironic when one considers that BFG's "lifetime warranties" ended up meaning the lifetime of BFG--which went out of business more than two years ago, and abruptly ceased honoring warranties at all.

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I have no issues with rebates, infact i have about $120 of them pending right now.. lol. Also the PNY has a lifetime warranty, i think i'll take the jump with the v.me promo dropping it to $259 after rebates.