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Henry:
You are wasting your time by trying to present empirical evidence to flat earthers, like my brother, for instance. He had one science class in his life and nearly flunked it, but he sure can pontificate at length about the "hoax" of global warming. He has nothing to back his argument except he is sure all scientists are crooked just to get money. He doesn't read much, but he learned all about it discussing with the guys down on the Ford factory floor, so he knows more than anyone on that issue.

You'rewastingyourtimewiththosethatviewtheworldthroughalengthofoneinchleadpipe. Training dogs is more productive.

Is they'd the guys that used the pipe to take the core sample? I is confused?

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Henry:
You are wasting your time by trying to present empirical evidence to flat earthers, like my brother, for instance. He had one science class in his life and nearly flunked it, but he sure can pontificate at length about the "hoax" of global warming. He has nothing to back his argument except he is sure all scientists are crooked just to get money. He doesn't read much, but he learned all about it discussing with the guys down on the Ford factory floor, so he knows more than anyone on that issue.

You're wasting your time with those that view the world through a length of one inch lead pipe. Training dogs is more productive.

Maybe you progressives could get the IRS to start harrassing those non believers!!!!

From todays paper. I suppose they are just making this stuff up. ( pg 11 St Paul Pioneer Press from national news )

Fish moving toward poles as seas warm

Fish and other sea life have been heading toward the Earth’s poles for more than three decades, a mass migration to cooler waters that provides more evidence of a rapidly warming planet and has repercussions for fish harvests around the globe, according to a first-of-its-kind study released Wednesday.

The study, in the journal Nature, found that significant numbers of 968 species of fish and invertebrates examined by University of British Columbia researchers moved to escape the warming waters of their original habitats. Previous studies had demonstrated the same phenomenon for specific places in the world’s oceans. The authors said their research is the first to assess the migration worldwide and to look back as far as 1970.

The conclusions have important implications for fisheries and the people who depend on them, with problems already being noticed by commercial fisherman. For example, as Atlantic mackerel have moved from Norway toward Iceland, a carefully negotiated treaty on the fish catch has been jeopardized, said William Cheung, the study’s lead author

We certainly wouldn't want a return to the conditions 300 million years ago. Much warmer and less hospitable to mammalian life. Likely the CO2 levels were what they were then because a younger earth was more volcanically active. Am I a believer in global warming? Let's just say I think that the jury is still out on that issue. Do I think that human activity could be having an effect on the climate, absolutely. We know that man has had some pretty extreme effects on local climate, for instance the desertification of the area around Lebanon. The denuding of the land, harvesting all the trees for construction and fuel raised the reflectance of the ground, raising the surface temperature, increasing evaporation, and eventually actually affecting the weather pattern resulting in the reduction of precip, and pushing what was once a fertile area into desert.

I think you understood my point and then proceeded to make my point again. If life was so inhospitable 3 million years ago, and the C02 levels were so high then, why didn't they destroy the ozone at that time. The earth has been around a long time. The relative drop in the bucket that we have been here isn't a blink of an eye when you are talking about MILLIONS of years. We (the United States) are a grain of sand when measured against the the amount of time bandied about. It's insignificant. The weather patterns are what they are. The changes that happen during a 100 year period are nothing on a scale of 3 million years or more.

To paraphrase Allen Iverson "what are we talking about here? Weather?" .......... It's just weather ...man

Henry:
You are wasting your time by trying to present empirical evidence to flat earthers, like my brother, for instance. He had one science class in his life and nearly flunked it, but he sure can pontificate at length about the "hoax" of global warming. He has nothing to back his argument except he is sure all scientists are crooked just to get money. He doesn't read much, but he learned all about it discussing with the guys down on the Ford factory floor, so he knows more than anyone on that issue.

You're wasting your time with those that view the world through a length of one inch lead pipe. Training dogs is more productive.

Sarge - I've been 8,000 feet underground, spent 10 years working mostly between 2,500 & 5,000 feet underground, Some very nasty stuff down in those mines. I have a degree in Mining Engineering - that would be a Bachelor of Science FYI. More CO2 is released in the atmosphere from one volcanic eruption than all the cars release in the world over a significant period of time (the number has escaped me).

While there may be folks not as willing to accept the koolaid as yourself, but IMO your bro has more common sense than you appparently will ever have. It is about the money, if it were not, those folks from either side of the aisle that are knowledgeable would have said that this has merit.

As someone said - Geological time is a significant period, our lifetime is very insignificant. So you are the one looking foolish by your verbalization & support .