One of the actresses from the now infamous “Muhammad” movie, “Innocence of Muslims,” wants to clear her name. The film she was involved in making had nothing to do with Islam, Mohammed or Muslims. The actors and crew were tricked into the film by the producer, “Sam,” who said he was “tired of radical Muslims running around and killing everyone.” The original title of this film was “Desert Warriors,” and it concerned a character named “George” 2,000 years ago in Egypt.

This woman is another innocent in this drama whose life has now been threatened, as the “religion-of-peacers” rampage in the streets and on Youtube, calling for the deaths of the film’s actors and producer. The actors has nothing to do with this “Mohammed” film, which was dubbed afterwards, without their knowledge. While the producer’s behavior in endangering these individuals is reprehensible and legally actionable, this instance reveals most importantly the absolute irrationality and madness of religious fanaticism. It is condemnable that the film’s ridiculous caricatures of violent, foaming-at-the-mouth Islamic religious fanatics are being acted out for real all over the world.

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commentMuslims are upset because the film makes it looks like Muhmmad married a 9 year old girl when she was 19.

Aisha was at least 15 when she was a nurse at one of their wars. It was the law that a nurse had to be 15 or older to serve as a nurse in a war. Several years after this war they got married when she was 19.

I can understand why, perhaps, you posted anonymously when you choose not to reference the actual Islamic texts and instead divert the issue as so many Muslims might with abstractions and convolutions.

Muslims are upset because …Muslims are always “upset” about something. It has nothing to do with the film or the price of beans in China. It has only to do with the contrived professional victimhood of Muslims and commensurate murderous insanity of Islam. There really are no other reasons except Islam itself.

Aisha’s age of consummation“Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed (sic – consummated) that marriage when she was [b]nine years old[/b].” Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236

“Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was [b]nine years old[/b], and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).” Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64

“Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was [b]nine years old[/b]. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)'” Sahih Bukhari 7:62:65

“Narrated ‘Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was [b]nine years old[/b] and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).” Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88

“Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was [b]nine[/b]. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.” Abu Dawud 41:4915

“`A´isha Bint Abu Bakr: Muhammad married her in the month of Shawwal, three years before the Migration, ten years after he claimed prophethood, according to the tradition of `A´isha herself. He had intercourse with her in the month of Shawwal, eight months after the Migration. She was the only virgin among Muhammad’s wives.” Tabaqat Ibn Sa`d, 8:58; Ansab al-ashraf, 1:410

“Aisha said, ‘The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old.’ (The narrator Sulaiman said: ‘Or six years.’). ‘He had intercourse with me when I was [b]9 years old[/b].'” Abu Dawud 2:2116

[quote] For a comprehensive refutation of all the claims that Aisha was older than 9, see: Refutation to Muslim Apologetics against Aisha’s Age of Consummation ([url]http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Refutation_to_Muslim_Apologetics_against_Aisha%27s_Age_of_Consummation[/url]).[/quote]Muslims had better get used to the truth and stop their violence, which sullies the “good name” of Islam more than any silly film could do.

Those of us who criticize the hateful and violent Islamic fanaticism are educated “Islamorealists,” not “Islamophobes” or “racists.” (Islam is not a race.) Blaming the victims of the world’s most violent ideology ([url]http://thereligionofpeace.com[/url]) is really a heinous tactic – you are taking moves right out of the Muslim apologist/jihadi playbook. These excuses for the violence that entirely proves our point in criticizing Islam are egregious.

In the current era, Christians do NOT rampage violently in the streets when Jesus is mocked, which has happened many, many times throughout history, so that Muslim apology is completely false. Nor is anyone here full of any religious “smell,” so there’s nothing “ridiculous” about our criticism of Islam. We are secularists, and we are NOT rampaging in the streets like imbecilic children every time someone “hurts our feelings.”

And, no, we will NOT stop reminding Muslims that the “prophet” they perceive as the “Perfect Man” is recorded in the hadiths as having had sex with a nine-year-old girl. Such behavior is simply despicable, and we will NOT be respecting this figure, so you had better get used to our honest criticisms. It is because of Mohammed’s perverted example that millions of little girls have been “married” and raped by old men, so SHAME ON YOU for asking us to stop bringing up these facts. Such dishonesty is the reason there are so many critics of Islam.

Before you jump into this fray and defend this religion, you should ask yourself – as we honest ex-Christians have done – how did you become a Muslim? If you are not a “revert,” chances are your ancestors were slaughtered into Islam using the same methods we are criticizing. Next you need to ask yourself why you sympathize with and defend the violent cult that enslaved, slaughtered and raped your ancestors? You [i]can [/i]free yourself of this foreign ideology – try going to this site: Faithfreedom.org ([url]http://www.faithfreedom.org/[/url]).

In the meantime, the violence is not a reflection of the bogus “Islamophobia” but is intrinsic to Islamic indoctrination ([url]http://occidentalsoapbox.blogspot.com/2008/11/islamic-crusades.html[/url]), and these endless riots PROVE THAT POINT. Instead of blaming the victims of ongoing religiously motivated terrorism, Muslims would do well at last to look closely at their religious texts ([url]http://truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm[/url]) and the constant attacks on non-Muslims over the past 1,400 years – the Crusades, by the way, were largely a response to such constant attacks on Christendom by Muslims, including raids to capture slaves along the southern coast of Europe. Until Muslims acknowledge this history and the violence of their “holy texts,” we will be under no obligation to entertain their complaints or fallacious apologies.

Here are verses from the Koran that have been followed as ETERNAL EDICTS by millions of devout Muslims over the past 1,400 years.

UNBELIEVERS

“This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.” Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10

“God’s curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God’s own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.” Quran 2:89-2:90

“Lord…Give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 2:286

“Lord…give us victory over the unbelievers.” Quran 3:148

“I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.” Quran 8:12

“Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away. They have not the power so to do. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy…” Quran 8:59

“When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” Quran 9:5

“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.” Quran 9:73

“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.” Quran 9:123

“Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another…” Quran 5:51

“He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost.” Quran 3:85

“Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful – he that does this has nothing to hope for from Good – except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return.” Quran 3:28

“Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.

“Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: ‘Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'” Quran 22:19-20

“Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Quran 48:29

“Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.” Quran 4:56

“Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy…” Quran 8:59-60

“Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.” Quran 9:28

“The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.” Quran 98:6

WOMEN

“They ask you about menstruation. Say: ‘It is an indisposition. Keep aloof from women during their menstrual periods and do not approach them until they are clean again; when they are clean, have intercourse with them whence God enjoined you….'” Quran 2:222

“Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” Quran 4:34

“A male shall inherit twice as much as a female.” Quran 4:11

“Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses…” Quran 2:282

“[Forbidden to you are] married women, except those whom you own as slaves.” Quran 4:24

SUMMARY OF KORANIC QUOTES REGARDING WOMEN

Menstruating women are unclean, and men must stay away from them. Women are men’s “fields,” and men can have sex with them whenever they want. Men are superior to women and have authority over them, while women must obey men or risk being beaten. A woman is worth one-half of a man. Muslim men can own sex slaves.

KORANIC REWARDS IN PARADISE

“The righteous shall return to a blessed retreat: the gardens of Eden, whose gates shall open wide to receive them. Reclining there with bashful virgins for companions, they will call for abundant fruit and drink.” Quran 38:51-2

“God has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of God, they will slay, and be slain. Such is the true promise which He has made them in the Torah, the Gospel and the Koran….” Quran 9:111

“As for the righteous, they shall be lodged in peace together amid gardens and fountains, arrayed in rick silks and fine brocade. Even thus; and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris.” Quran 44:51-54

“On that day [the unbelievers] shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell . . . But in fair gardens the righteous shall dwell in bliss, rejoicing in what their Lord will give them. Their Lord will shield them from the scourge of Hell. He will say: Eat and drink to your hearts content. This is the reward of your labours.

“They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris [virgin girls] We shall wed them. . . . Fruit We shall give them, and such meats as they desire. They will pass from hand to hand a cup inspiring no idle talk, no sinful urge; and there shall wait on them young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.” Quran 52:13-24

“Reclining there upon soft couches, they shall feel neither the scorching heat nor the biting cold. Trees will spread their shade around them, and fruits will hang in clusters over them.

“They shall be served with silver dishes, and beakers as large as goblets; silver goblets which they themselves shall measure: and cups brim-full with ginger-flavoured water from a fount called Salsabil. They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who to the beholders eyes will seem like sprinkled pearls. When you gave upon that scene, you will behold a kingdom blissful and glorious.” Quran 76:9-20

Source: Quotes from the Koran ([url]http://truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm[/url])

I know that there are comments in the Koran that supposedly say wonderful things, but upon inspection, they are fallacious. “Mankind” refers to MUSLIMS, not “filthy kaffirs.” It should be obvious from the above that I have read the Koran quite thoroughly. The “happy bits” you cherry pick make up a tiny percentage of positive verses. Otherwise, most of the Koran is about warfare against infidels.

[quote]”About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad’s biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers.” Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy[/quote]As concerns Mohammed having sex with the nine-year-old Aisha, what you have said is completely false. I already showed the proof, in the second comment here, but you have ignored it, as you will ignore me reposting it below. Again, such dishonesty is really making people detest Islam, so it’s time for you to become self-introspective, instead of spreading falsehoods.

Be sure to watch this video of a Saudi religious authority ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13gtjjDEgE[/url]) saying that Saudi men follow Mohammed’s example of marrying a six-year-old and having sex with her when she is nine. Perhaps you should go tell this Muslim cleric that there’s no proof – he will probably provide you with the following hadiths, a number of which are [i]sahih [/i]or “authentic.”

“Narrated Hisham’s father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed (sic – consummated) that marriage when she was [b]nine years old[/b].” Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236

“Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was [b]nine years old[/b], and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).” Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64

“Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was [b]nine years old[/b]. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)'” Sahih Bukhari 7:62:65

“Narrated ‘Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was [b]nine years old[/b] and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).” Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88

“Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was [b]nine[/b]. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.” Abu Dawud 41:4915

“`A´isha Bint Abu Bakr: Muhammad married her in the month of Shawwal, three years before the Migration, ten years after he claimed prophethood, according to the tradition of `A´isha herself. He had intercourse with her in the month of Shawwal, eight months after the Migration. She was the only virgin among Muhammad’s wives.” Tabaqat Ibn Sa`d, 8:58; Ansab al-ashraf, 1:410

“Aisha said, ‘The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old.’ (The narrator Sulaiman said: ‘Or six years.’). ‘He had intercourse with me when I was [b]9 years old[/b].'” Abu Dawud 2:2116

[quote] For a comprehensive refutation of all the claims that Aisha was older than 9, see: Refutation to Muslim Apologetics against Aisha’s Age of Consummation ([url]http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Refutation_to_Muslim_Apologetics_against_Aisha%27s_Age_of_Consummation[/url]).[/quote]

Tamer, you don’t think the western world has good reason to fear Islam? I do, just look at the 19,600 terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9-11:

Religion of Peace ([url]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com[/url])

See Muslims in positions of power or leaders of some type on video in their own words:

Islam Reality ([url]http://islamreality.wordpress.com[/url])

Westerners aren’t wound nearly as tight as many muslims as Christians are highly unlikely to go on a killing riot just because somebody mocked Christianity, the bible or Jesus, especially if it came from some horrendous youtube video.

Tamer “Stop with this ideology that Islam somehow is a terrorist”

Why should we? Everytime we turn around muslims prove themselves to be terrorists. Ever consider the thought to stop acting like terrorists? There’s good reason why Islam is well known as the terrorist religion that has nothing to do with peace and it was just proven once more. It might be a really good idea to clean up your own backyard before going after others for pointing out the obvious.

Nobody is acting like their poo doesn’t stink, this is about muslims going on a killing riot, remember? Muslims will eventually learn that everybody has the right to get insulted and offended and responding to it by killing people is the worst response of all. If the Islamic religion were strong enough it would not be effected at all. Muhammad is dead so his feelings can’t possibly be hurt in any way; same with Islam, it’s just another ideology that has no physical body to suffer pain or hurt feelings. Islam and muslims need to grow up.

“Pray Hard” for what, extermination of the Islam faith. You hide behind hatred and ignorance. I consider myself a “freethinker” and thank Acharya for at least trying to bring about a discussion of openness to the religion dialogue. At the same time I consider Islam to be very closest to truth to the mysteries of our universe and supreme being. No matter what, I respect the 5 pillars of the faith :1) Belief in only one supreme being (no other idols , like sons of god !)2) Pray to your creator 5 times a day (or have your personal moments)3) Give to and help the poor4) Observe Ramadan (a month of purification of body & soul)5) If possible make a once a life hadj (visit) to the holy land.

So which of these do you take objection with ? They are ALL in the name of good. Sure Islam is imperfect because of distorted writings by mankind. But to bluntly accuse the prophet of mass killings is historically incorrect. He moved his flock to Medina only to be attacked. With outnumbered odds the Muslims won. Upon entering Mecca he did not slaughter, rape & kill (as victors did back then) but rather promoted peace. And in this way gained allegiance and acceptance. This is historical fact. What us “educated” Islam followers object to is simple that Islam, Muslims are equated with terrorists. Terrorists have hijacked an innocent religion for their agenda of spreading fear & hatred. We as Muslims simply hate being “branded”. You show your ignorance to us. You know unlike many of you I’ve had the pleasure of living in many parts of the world, middle east, central & south America. Would it surprise you that the “hatred” toward Americans is not just a Muslim thing it’s global. I attended some grade school & most of my high school in central & South America. I found the “Ugly American Image” concept to be quite fascinating since I consider myself an American After much discussion & thought it boils down to this :1) The rest of the world is indeed jealous of the USA, in 200 years has established a majestic growth while many lag way behind. 2) They do admire our technology, they are grateful to our assistance to them.3) We wear out our welcome : We don’t want to leave ! This is a fundamental flaw on our part

Tamer than what?“Pray Hard” is an expression from the world of Texas Southern Baptists. It’s like when you’re constipated, you have to strain hard. When you have a real problem, you have to religiously strain and “pray hard” and make a face like this … :Pinch: . It’s like when Muslims get their poor little feelings hurt, they have to try hard to not become maniacal and start slaughtering other people. I don’t hide behind anything. However, as opposed to Muslims who hide behind women and children in fire fights, here I am.

” I consider myself a “freethinker” ” AND“I consider Islam to be very closest to truth to the mysteries of our universe and supreme being”

That’s pretty funny.

I consider all religion poison and Islam plutonium. There is no such thing as “Islamophobia”. It is a word contrived by the MB and the media. If you think what you’re saying here will change any minds, you are completely deluded. I have watched the atrocities of Islam for the past four decades. I don’t care what Mohammed did or didn’t do, it is irrelevant. I don’t care what the Quran says or doesn’t say, it is irrelevant. I don’t care for explanations, they are irrelevant. I don’t care whether Mohammed actually existed, which is doubtful, because it is irrelevant. And, most of all, I don’t care what you think of me, it is irrelevant.

If you want a dialogue with the West, stop your atrocities all over the Earth, stop your threats all over the Earth, stop your violence all over the Earth. Become civilized and we might have some common ground. Until then, Muslims will hear nothing but ridicule from me.

You know with all this islamophobia in past years we don’t stop to think that if Muslims took exception and disgrace Jesus how the Christian world would react with furor and hatred. Muslims wouldn’t because Jesus is honored in Islam as a great prophet of god. Stop with this ideology that Islam somehow is a terrorist , pedophile religion and stop insulting us. Somehow this notion that your sh*t doesn’t smell is ridiculous. All religions are imperfect because man who wrote their texts is imperfect

Waaaaaaaaaaa …Shall I call a waaaaaaambulance? Are you a grown man? Grow TF up! The world is not a place free of insults and ridicule, even for people as special as Muslims believe they are. You Muslims think it’s OK to slaughter with impunity, but you can’t even take verbal ridicule without flying apart at the seams. Muslims are such a bunch of immature crybabies. Good grief, have some shame about your thin-skinned, infantile attitudes.

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