AuthorTopic: Teaching the Monkey (Read 42071 times)

"When David Frost asked Tracy Emin on his TV show why her bed was a work of art, she replied 'Because I say it is'. He did not then ask her, as he could have done, 'But who says you're an artist?' Artists do not, by any means, hold all the cards; they are free to try to be artists, but others are also free to decide for themselves whether they have achieved their goal."

Obviously.., the difference of my comment is that it was a quote on art appreciation from a public that doesn't necessarily consider themselves as artists, nor think of art as important. This is only one part of art crisis, the other being the quality of art that is produced today, but again I don't think that the later can be a discussion through web, ...it does need eye crossing, tobacco and filled glasses between people. Regards, Theodoros. www.fotometria.gr

Obviously.., the difference of my comment is that it was a quote on art appreciation from a public that doesn't necessarily consider themselves as artists, nor think of art as important. This is only one part of art crisis, the other being the quality of art that is produced today, but again I don't think that the later can be a discussion through web, ...it does need eye crossing, tobacco and filled glasses between people. Regards, Theodoros. www.fotometria.gr

Yes, but discussing art with too much booze around can be as sterile as the art itself might be.

Such chat is, however, entertaining, and as seems obvious from here on the Internet, everyone is perfectly capable of being his own expert, including myself.

I'm repeatedly struck by the virtually absolute absence of ladies in these discussions; that's a real pity because they do have a very interesting set of alternative views to offer, could they but be bothered. Let's face it: women have a far better colour sense, can do interiors better than most guys I know, and find matching clothes etc. a piece of cake (well, many do if not all).

Yes, but discussing art with too much booze around can be as sterile as the art itself might be.

Such chat is, however, entertaining, and as seems obvious from here on the Internet, everyone is perfectly capable of being his own expert, including myself.

I'm repeatedly struck by the virtually absolute absence of ladies in these discussions; that's a real pity because they do have a very interesting set of alternative views to offer, could they but be bothered. Let's face it: women have a far better colour sense, can do interiors better than most guys I know, and find matching clothes etc. a piece of cake (well, many do if not all).

How sad to lose their contributions here.

Rob C

Nice observation Rob, but again with all these code names you never know. OTOH if you have a look at "Magnum" females are not that many... Maybe photography doesn't suit them as other arts, I don't know the reason, but I suspect that it has to do with the knowledge of technical matters such as aperture or focal length, angles or perspective control and DOF that are involved in the process. In my BEng degree I did in Wales 25 years ago, we had two females in three years of courses, they seem to have very little interest in making pictures but they do have good (better than men IMO) appreciation of good photography and can be excellent judges! Its the same with cinema really, female directors are a very small quantity (again possibly because of the technical issues involved). Regards, Theodoros. www.fotometria.gr

Obviously.., the difference of my comment is that it was a quote on art appreciation from a public that doesn't necessarily consider themselves as artists, nor think of art as important.

It's not clear to me what you mean - I think Julian Spalding's point was that "others [who do not consider themselves artists] are also free to decide for themselves whether [those who try to be artists] have achieved their goal [of being artists]."

It's not clear to me what you mean - I think Julian Spalding's point was that "others [who do not consider themselves artists] are also free to decide for themselves whether [those who try to be artists] have achieved their goal [of being artists]."

It may be my English, I haven't practice it for 20 years..., it used to be much better. I think though you may succeed if you try a little..., I try to expand a bit from what you state above. Regards, Theodoros.

I'm repeatedly struck by the virtually absolute absence of ladies in these discussions; that's a real pity because they do have a very interesting set of alternative views to offer, could they but be bothered.

I shudder at the thought that I am about to make the sweeping generalisation that I am .... but here goes:

Perhaps women just get out and DO and let their work speak for itself rather than sitting around nattering about how it would be if they ever did get out and DO.

I feel I am increasingly in touch with my feminine side and see little, if any, merit in chewing the fat about something which itself is actually a relatively easy and enjoyable pastime - like chattering.

It's past midnight, I'm knackered from having fights with the other computer that thinks it's about to die; the best I can do with the link is copy it (done) and read it tomorrow, possibly sending it on to my daughter.

It's past midnight, I'm knackered from having fights with the other computer that thinks it's about to die; the best I can do with the link is copy it (done) and read it tomorrow, possibly sending it on to my daughter.

Rob C

Hey Rob, I forgot to ask you if the "Beanbag on the back of Landrover technique" that you suggested on the artist that found yours inappropriate for the purpose , would actually also work on a spacecraft when in take off? IMO you should have suggested LSD, thus stability works with some people, I also gave the thread to my daughter to read..., she still LOLs! . Regards, Theodoros. www.fotometria.gr

Good! we can now hope that proves to be a good teacher as well. This has nothing to do with the person, but Art appreciation is currently a mess, (getting worst all the time) because of its "leaders" or the "responsible" for its advance! Mind you that by saying "leaders" I don't mean the artists, after all everybody (even if he doesn't know what he is talking about) will remember Picasso, at least for the "Guernica" but I don't know anybody remembering the Professor of the "Spanish or French (Royal or not has to do with the employer) academy" of the times! Actually I don't know anybody that remembers any professor in arts (That is through history), but I do now that Ticiano had a student called Demenicos Theotokopoulos (El Greco), Socrates had a student called Platon and that they where not professors, but were called "Masters" long after they lived, by the future generations. Regards, Theodoros. www.fotometria.gr