The 19 year old former Ohio high school cheerleader is in-fact the Air Force's first female aerial gunner ever:

Raised in the small town of Valley View, Ohio, her interstest in the military was sparked by her father. Described by Dobos as 'a history buff', her dad talked a lot about America's past heroes while they often watched classic war movies...'He instilled in me so much respect for our country's past heroes' she said.

She 'loves her job', but that doesn't mean it's been easy: besides having to win-over doubters re. her ability to handle the heavy machine gun, Airman 1C Dobos luckily survived a nasty chopper crash in Afghanistan that resulted in 5-7 rolls down a hillside and one airman dead/others severely injured...________________________________________________________________

I'd like to be a fly on the wall a few years hence, at her 10-year HS class reunion with her fellow former cheerleaders:

Cheerleader #1 - So, what did you go and where did you go after HS?

AC130 GNR - I went to Iraq and Afghanistan so I could kill people, break things, and blow sh*t up.

Cheerleader #2 - Ooooo, wasn't that icky and gross?

AC130 GNR - No, it was cool...my mini-gun could put one round in every square meter of a football field in seconds. Took out an entire column of Taliban that way...nothing left that couldn't be picked up with a spoon! LOL...

(sounds of barfing from #1 and #2)

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posted on 11/16/2012 1:03:58 PM PST
by T-Bird45
(It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)

Well, she is an attractive woman, and I respect her for serving. I simply don’t see why she deserves any more kudos than anyone else unless we do it solely to celebrate the notion that women can do everything a man can do, be just as ruthless and violent as men, give birth to a child, and be attractive to boot.

It is the feminist fantasy, the one they push over all others.

I passed by the television where my wife was watching the local evening news, and there was a story about an improbable comeback by a high school team to win on the last play of the game. They had time to run one play to go the length of the field (maybe one second left) and it involved a fake and two laterals to succeed. Pretty improbable play, so I hesitated to watch. Lo and behold, boom, they executed the Rube Goldberg play, and won the game.

Do you know what the remainder of the broadcast segment (lasting far longer) was about?

Their kicker who was a girl.

That was what they gushed about. That she was a girl. She didn’t have to kick the tying or winning point with no time or anything like that, she just had to be the correct gender.

That play to win the game was pretty remarkable, to have been executed to perfection, as complicated as it was. But it was an afterthought.

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posted on 11/16/2012 1:10:30 PM PST
by rlmorel
(1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American kLiberals have a lot in common.)

Of course, in a world of objective standards of performance, that question would never come up. The reason why police forces switched to 9 millimeter handguns in the 70s was because girls couldn’t handle .38 Specials. LOWERED STANDARDS.

Next, they will want women on Seal teams. When the extreme end of the bell curve eliminates all but a very few kickass males. Feminists want to push girls to the front of the line. Why are there no women basketball centers in the NBA?
It’s obvious to us, but not to the politically correct crowd.

Yep. In 2005, she was involved in a terrifying (is there any other kind?) helicopter crash in Afghanistan, in which one person was killed. The mission had been to evacuate an Afghan elections monitor who had been accidentally shot. One of the pilots was 1st Lt. Benjamin R. Scheutzow.

I don’t have anything against this woman in particular, if I were in her shoes, I expect I would do the same as her.

I simply think women in combat is a bad, Bad, BAD idea in general. And I have very specific reasons why I think so apart from the cultural ones.

But the military is now a social experiment, and that is what we are going to do.

It is going to be a damned bloody disaster when we have our first Edson’s Ridge, Peleliu or Chosin Reservoir. But until then, we are going to hear from the media, the government and even (or especially) the military itself how wrong the naysayers were, and that the military forces are so much more efficient and good with homosexuals and women completely integrated and open in their activities.

Until then, our military will be a “Force for Good”, and that will be jolly good until the SHTF.

And the ones who advocated for this the most will be the ones who scream the loudest and point the most fingers.

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posted on 11/16/2012 1:43:38 PM PST
by rlmorel
(1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)

WTF?
The switch from revolvers in the 1970s (the 1980s, really) had NOTHING to do with women, and everything to do with the new generation of semi-autos (SW, Sig, Beretta and Glock) which provided officers with more firepower. The .38special really doesn’t have that much over the 9mm so it wasn’t much of a choice or change, and there were so few women officers back then it couldn’t possibly have an impact.

I will agree on the standards. In 16 years of service with The Army, I’ve seen standards changed, waived and even outright IGNORED to accomodate females.

Yeah you’re right. Women are different from men.
“We women have forgotten more about cruelty than you could ever remember,” she spits, and adds that she wants the traitors “alive when you cut out their hearts and their bowels.”
Helen Mirren in the movie `Queen Elizabeth’

My aunt built airplanes in WWII and then flew them. Her mother scratched out a living with her husband on Oklahoma land that even the Indians didn’t want.
My Mother killed rattlesnakes with a garden hoe and worked alongside her two brothers chopping cotton. I wouldn’t have wanted to tangle with two of them and I made the mistake of tangling with one of them, once.

I get the impression from the article that Vanessa knows her job and does it as well as anyone could.
Not every man can be in special forces either so yeah, you’re right there too.

My wife is the daughter of a soldier in Patton’s Army: Silver Star, Bronze Star, 3 Purple Hearts. She is a chip off the old block, without a doubt the strongest individual I have ever known. She was a great Army nurse in Vietnam. She was in the right spot.

Beautiful. A backbone of titanium and a jaw line like a Grand Champion Quarter Horse mare. She’s probably sent a lot of ragheads to meet their 72 virgins. It’s time women like this got the recognition they deserve......instead of these sluts like Broadwell and the Kelley sisters.

Something tells me her kiddie will never run into the classic Mother-BB gun block and you’ll shoot yer eye out Ralphie B/S. Hell, probably already has a couple of AR’s, 1911’s and reloads for both of ‘em!

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posted on 11/16/2012 3:59:33 PM PST
by bobby.223
(Retired high up in the mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)

My ten year-old daughter was shooting .38special, .357 magnum and light 10mm loads last weekend. The .38 special doesn’t have much more recoil than the 9mm. I stand by my statement about the adoption of the 9mm, it had everything to do with magazine capacity/firepower.

Exactly.
Women have skills and (I dare say it) INHERENT traits that suit them far better to some jobs. I accept that and known dozens of Army nurses through my career. EVERY ONE of them earned her place there and didn’t need any waivers or lowered standards to do their jobs.

Which infantry?
None in the US Armed Forces.
Israel tried it and it didn’t work out.
The Russians brag about their WWII females, but none of them served as actual infantry, which requires much more than shooting a rifle.

In training. They interviewed a woman captain who had destroyed her pelvis (angle of the femur)from marching with gear.

The whole issue regarding women on the frontlines is that some feminists think it’s unfair that so many men are generals. It’s an asset to have combat experience, hence the push to put women on the frontlines.

Agreed.
When I went to Airborne School in 1986, they’d just integrated the runs and everybody was basically crawling along just to keep the women in formation. The women were experiencing high incidents of stress fractures along the tibia (?), so any faster runs were prohibited for EVERYBODY.

I actually came out of the three week school in WORSE shape. It was like a vacation. It didn’t help that I turned 21 the night before my first jump ;)

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