Comments on: Linden thinks Torts misused the Sedinshttp://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/11/linden-thinks-torts-misused-the-sedins/
ProHockeyTalk on NBCSports.comSun, 02 Aug 2015 19:38:45 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: joey4idhttp://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/11/linden-thinks-torts-misused-the-sedins/comment-page-1/#comment-303782
Sat, 12 Apr 2014 14:42:16 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303782Judge, you get free advice from the Association of Commenters for Retirement Planning for Professional Hockey Players, LLC, which is currently advising Martin Brodeur. This association is headed by fellow commenters and hockey retirement experts; phillyphannnn83, govtminion, or Lupy Nazty Philthy. For marital expertise you can contact jr507.

Counsel, check is in the mail.

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Sat, 12 Apr 2014 09:36:55 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303738Amityville, you’ve blubbed on here multiple times about how you don’t like the way the Canucks do national anthems – pretty sure you’ve lost your evaluative privileges with respect to who has “cajones”.

Also, the comments about the Sedins the last couple of days are really showing how little other teams’ fans actually know about what kind of players they are. They’ve always been tenacious backcheckers, as well as being really hard to knock off the puck. The only reason the defence question has come up at all is because AV used them very strategically, i.e. always on the PP/offensive zone faceoffs, rarely on the PK/defensive zone faceoffs, and Torts doesn’t. By saying the Sedins lack the effort to play proper defense, you’re just embarrassing yourself with your ignorance. You appear to be 100% proficient in looking up Youtube videos, so there’s really no excuse, even if you don’t watch them on a regular basis.

]]>By: amityvillefunhttp://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/11/linden-thinks-torts-misused-the-sedins/comment-page-1/#comment-303578
Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:53:57 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303578I think it is ridiculous to have “one way players” that don’t play defense. Asking the Sedin twins to play some defense shouldn’t rile anyone. You can’t win games if you can’t defend the puck in your own end.

Torts is going to take the heat for this underachieving team, but he’s not on the ice. They are the ones without the heart and the motivation. Torts maybe didn’t help the problem, but he’s not the sole source of it either.

If players and a team can’t take enough pride in their game to give a full effort, it’s on them, not the coach. A coach can only shake the pom-poms so much, it’s up to the players on the ice to motivate themselves and this year the Canucks just didn’t have it.

Torts will probably lose his job, but in reality, it’s probably more on the players than anything he said or did. But, it’s the coach who usually gets blamed in these instances….

Saying that Tort’s “misused” the twins because he asked them to backcheck and block shots is a joke. He was just asking them to play like men.

Brad Marchand outed the twins for what they really are: cowards with no cajones.

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Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:02:53 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303556@joey , i’ve been predicting the Leafs wouldn’t make the playoffs, except the lockout year cuz it was too short, every year for the past ten or so and was right every time. i also predicted montreal would be better and would finish behind boston in their div… I did say the Canucks would be better but who could have predicted the injuries etc.. that would ravage the team in this manner.

btw, how do you search out your old quotes, i don’t see where that is done and the search box doesn’t seem to find anything by user on this site..

]]>By: imleftcoasthttp://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/11/linden-thinks-torts-misused-the-sedins/comment-page-1/#comment-303555
Fri, 11 Apr 2014 22:00:02 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303555A rec game would really clear the animosity in this site. I’d love to see who has skills and who is just a big whiner. My inclination would be to put joey over the boards, but sometimes he writes something I agree with. Blomfeld, on the other hand, would have to be on the other squad.
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Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:43:26 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303549nice to have you back joey … after that unwarranted blistering from a ravening pack i thought you’d come back axe sharpened

be warned, i’m keeping an eye on your accuracy rating :-}

i can’t tell if you’re winding people up deliberately or your just gifted that way lmao

Unlike you and most here I am a scholar of “the game”. There are but a few here which can be considered as a connoisseur like me. There are few that have the extensive experience in playing, coaching, player development, and management. Most of you here are sheep. You chose to select a team because you don’t have an identity and live by the ups and downs of your team. Most don’t have the knowledge and cahoonas to make predictions that are not their own.

“The road to the cup begins with winners like Sakic and Roy. No doubt we’re going to see a very different team next year. Don’t be surprised if we see a turn around like we did in Montreal.”

]]>By: rpiotr01http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/11/linden-thinks-torts-misused-the-sedins/comment-page-1/#comment-303529
Fri, 11 Apr 2014 20:55:48 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303529Torts respectfully disagrees – the best place for your offensive skill players is chasing the puck in their own zone and putting their ankles in front of opposing slap shots.

Some day there will be a NHL team comprised of titanium robots, and John Tortorella will rule that day. Until then, time to move on.

]]>By: steverolleyhttp://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/11/linden-thinks-torts-misused-the-sedins/comment-page-1/#comment-303514
Fri, 11 Apr 2014 20:02:58 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303514Already like Linden better than Gillis, finally a guy who speaks his mind instead of spewing corporate dribble! Gillis talked like a lawyer and was never straight with the fanbase.

Here’s how Gillis would of answered the question:

“We will evaluate this as we evaluate everything in the organization. If we find something that may be problematic then we will set in forth a plan that will look to rectify any potential problems with solutions that are forward thinking. It’s inappropriate to comment on certain issues regarding players or coaches….”

there is no player on this planet that could shoot pucks harder than did bobby and dennis hull

jaques lemaire in particular and guy lafleur had screaming slap shots cut loose on the fly that could maim and often did … snap shots from mickey redmond and mike bossey were every bit as lethal but accurate … in and out before goalies could move

all used wood and only fools would step in front of their shots …

the best indicator of the extent to which speed and weight of shots in the contemporary game has tailed-off is willingness of players to block shots while dropping or going to their knees

i have yet to see a player, short of weber in the present, come close to players using wood … too much is made of chara and other big winners of all star game skill competitions … food of the young and uninitiated

what surprises me is willingness of goalies to permit shot blocking … there was a day when a goalie would go nuts if anyone so much as dropped a stick in front of an incoming missile

still, squandering talent like the sedins in static defensive roles is demonstrative of just how limited tortorella is in his thinking … defensive play has virtue, but a pressing and harrying skating attack trumps butt-ugly shot blocking every time

the ‘defence wins hockey games’ philosophy is equally regressive and mantra of the pedant … the best defence in hockey bar none, is watching your opposing goalie dig pucks out of his own net …

make war and make it in your opponents back yard

the sedins and alexandre burrows and ryan kesler were once pretty good at such endeavour

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Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:31:36 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303491It just seems that Torts has a style that doesn’t have long term success. Yelling and screaming can be used occasionally to rally the troops, but when used daily just doesn’t seem to get the trick done.
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Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:17:30 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303479A very good point, the sticks are a big part as well- I hadn’t thought about that. Thank you!
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Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:10:20 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303473It’s also the sticks, as much as anything. The composite sticks being used now are made year after year to allow for harder and harder shots. A lot less accurate than old wooden sticks, but damn they flex.

I guess my point is that I agree. When you invest that much money in a player to be ‘the guy’ that puts pucks in the net, then damn, let him be that guy. You don’t see Tampa putting Stamkos out to block shots in 5 on 3, or Crosby in Pittsburgh…you just can’t risk the investment.

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Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:01:12 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303469I agree on shot blocking. There’s a time for it, sure, but we’re seeing players firing the puck with much more power than in years past. Not to say that past players were weaklings, but… even leaving aside hard-shot monsters like Chara and Weber, just look at how dangerous it’s become to be in the way of these shots. Think of the playoffs last year- remember Malkin’s shot breaking Campbell’s leg during the Penguins/Bruins series? How often did something like that happen back in the ’80s or ’90s?

Players are bigger and stronger these days than ever before. Shots are harder than ever. Bones, they’ve stayed pretty much the same. And it’s hard to determine when it’s a good idea to block a shot or when it’s going to be ridiculously dangerous- so while I don’t want to see it go away completely as an option, I do think a coach who preaches it as a ‘must do’ tactic like this needs to re-evaluate his priorities.

]]>By: thailer35http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/11/linden-thinks-torts-misused-the-sedins/comment-page-1/#comment-303461
Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:45:16 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303461“The most illiterate hockey fan on PHT has been saying that from the outset of the season.”

I don’t remember you saying that at the beginning of the season, joey.

BTW, we are all curious if you’re behind that concussion lawsuit that was dicussed yesterday.

Second, I think the game is changing in that shot blocking might be becoming too hazardous to be worthwhile in the long run. We all debated about goalie equipment changes before the season and points were made about, yes, goalie pads have gotten bigger over the years, but the new technology used in players sticks makes the speed of shots that much greater. I think the argument can be made that players aren’t wearing enough protective equipment for it to make sense to get down, block a shot, and stop the puck from getting on net, and risk being out the next however many games. Keeping a player off of the IR may be worth a few extra goals given up a year.

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Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:39:25 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303458Oh! Really! Any five year old could have as told you that. The most illiterate hockey fan on PHT has been saying that from the outset of the season.
]]>By: hockey412http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/11/linden-thinks-torts-misused-the-sedins/comment-page-1/#comment-303449
Fri, 11 Apr 2014 18:31:56 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2324639#comment-303449“and good coaches understand that”