<div dir="ltr">Possible solution: Trademark the term "hackerspace", sue those who do not meet stringent ideological requirements.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Sonja Trauss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>hackerspaces are combination office space and utopian capital sharing experiment, not to be confused with just shared work space. A place where "all you get is a desk and an internet connection" isn't a hackerspace, it's just a shared work space, even if the people are doing programming for work. <br>

</div>I'm not surprised at all to see someone who's into hackerspaces for the second reason get annoyed when he thinks a hackerspce is getting confused with a work space. <br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
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<div dir="ltr">Seriously, give the guy a break. It's attitudes like Marc's that drive away people from the "true" hackerspaces. Live and let live: just because his space has a different organizational model than yours doesn't mean it's some sort of evil masterplan to steal all your members and get rich by squeezing money out of them. There are spaces in sf / oakland that charge $250 a month and all you get is a desk and an internet connection. There's room for a whole spectrum of spaces in the bay area. Mitch Altman's dream is a day where there are more hackerspaces than liquor stores.<div class="gmail_extra">

Seems like sort of a blend of Tech Liminal, Techshop, and a hacker space. Not clear why you think it's a bad thing. I don't see it claiming to be anything that it is not. <div><br></div><div>Steve<div><div>

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<div>Excuse the interruption Noisebridge fans, </div><div><br></div><div>In the interest of possible cross-pollination, I wanted to let you know about a new place to hack - <a href="http://www.rockitcolabs.com/noisebridge-invite" target="_blank">RocSounds like a crap attempt at kIT CoLabs</a>. </div>

</div><div><br>Hierarchical organizational structure? assumed guilty until proven innocent<br></div><div><br>Attempt to make their business venture more successful by luring in hackers from local non-profits? sounds like it<br>

<br></div><div>"People frequently ask me how I came to be such an unconventional thinker
and unusual serial entrepreneur. ... " -- Darren Overby<br><br></div><div>By being unusually modest? No? Oh, wait, is the answer: By co-opting existing open communities into for-profit organizations?<br></div><div>