That is NOT the report I'm referring to, and gun murders is NOT the subject at hand. What we're discussing is simple distribution of gun ownership across the US. That's it. Focus. Stick with me here.

I know that wasn't the report you were talking about. I was using that as an example of why you cannot cite Mother Jones as you did as a reliable source of information. I thought that was obvious...

Um, I am a gun owner. Leaping to conclusions, much? Maybe it's YOU who is preventing a logical debate on all this, hm?

This surprises me.

I didn't coin the term "superowners". It's just the term that's used. Besides, where on EARTH did you get the idea that I "don't want"" people to own historical guns or antiques?? I NEVER said or implied any such thing. All I did is cite statistics to show that gun ownership is not as widespread as believed. Seriously dude, you need to look before you leap. Your assumptions are out. of. control.

Still a term you chose to use and when you said "Irrelevant. Superowners are superowners." you did imply such a thing that you were against people owning multiple guns regardless of the type and/or use.

And how many people do I think have guns? How are you reading my mind, exactly? What number is in my head?

It was a generalization and your snobby holier-than-thou attitude is why gun owners can't have a logical and civil debate on the subject

Irrelevant. Superowners are superowners.

I wouldn't necessarily call them super owners, besides the fact do you not want people to own antiques or historical items? Or just not historical firearms because they are bad? I mean if I have a gun from the revolutionary war should that be illegal if I have it as a decorative piece?

Gun owners want to reduce murders as much as anyone else. The problem is that many non-gun owners don't want responsible and reasonable gun laws. They want to outlaw guns period. Gun owners have tried to compromise but the minute we agree on something we end up losing more than what we should.

He might have his "south's" mixed up. In the South you have to specifically state unsweetened or there's a good chance you will get sweet tea. In the South-West and everywhere else it's the other way around.

For one Mother Jones isn't the best source for unbiased opinions. Especially when it comes to guns.

Second surveys aren't very reliable, especially when given about guns. Most gun owners don't want other people (especially the government) to know they have guns and will lie on gun surveys.

Third gun ownership is up among Americans while gun related deaths and injuries are down.

Not saying that some people don't own tons of guns but more people have guns than you think. Also the people that own a lot of guns typically are collectors and a good portion of those guns are probably antiques or historical weapons.

Yup this is one of the reasons I am voting against him. For one he is being convicted of contempt and this isn't the first time he has had trouble with the feds (How can we have a sheriff who is under investigation/being charged with crimes) and two he keeps wasting our fucking money on either defending himself or investigating stupid shit like whether or not Brobama was born in the U.S!