I am going through the May issue of Popular Mechanics tonight and on the back inside cover page is an ad for Samsung which mentions vacuum tube technology. There are two tube/digital technology home theater amplifiers offered. The ad illustration shows two tubes side by side which look identical and appear to be 12AX7-like.

I wonder what they're using for a power supply for the tubes. 1330 watts out of 8.5 pounds is quite an achievement with tubes.

The 8.49 pounds is just for the amplifier. The rest of the poundage is the speakers. I'm sure the tubes have little to do with the power output. Most of these systems use switching supplies. A lot of bang with a small footprint. Eight channels boils down to roughly 166 watts each but no clue if RMS, IHF, IHF +/- 1 db, or some other screwy output rating.

They will use tubes in the front end of an amp and the rest is solid state. They also use LED's in the base of the small tubes to give more glitter and glam.Are the KT88's mounted sideways? Are they using a different technology that doesn't require output transformers for the tube finals? No way that 8 lbs is a complete tube amp.

How much does it list for? Sounds like a big glass audio ripoff. 12ax7 is a pre-amp tube. It probably is "starved plate," glass audio lingo which means B+ ridiculously low so the tube essentially is not functioning but sits there with 12 v. looking pretty.

How much does it list for? Sounds like a big glass audio ripoff. 12ax7 is a pre-amp tube. It probably is "starved plate," glass audio lingo which means B+ ridiculously low so the tube essentially is not functioning but sits there with 12 v. looking pretty.

$999.99 list$899 or $897 at the retail/mail order level.

Tubes are probably in front-end design simpler to the tube/solid-state computer sound card on the market. It's easy to add a "high voltage" using simple DC to DC converters with a switching supply. In a A/V receiver I have, the power supply provides 5, 12, 18, and 48 volts to power various circuits. 48 volts powers the display.

Jeez, it's worse than I thought. You could get a couple of vintage Heathkit p.p. amps at a flea market for 1/10 to 1/5th the list price. Probably even better deals at garage sales. Lots of Grommes, and Stromburg Carlson old amps out there that mostly just need recapping.

Jeez, it's worse than I thought. You could get a couple of vintage Heathkit p.p. amps at a flea market for 1/10 to 1/5th the list price. Probably even better deals at garage sales. Lots of Grommes, and Stromburg Carlson old amps out there that mostly just need recapping.

This is not a system that flea market or garage sale crawlers would probably embrace. This is designed for the 3D Blu-ray DVD/Network viewing people and those people who have money to burn on "wowness".

There was one so called tube amp that had a glass window behind which two similar tubes were placed. the filaments were connected but nothing else. A complete scam.

Some might be satisfied with a cathode follower but to me it's the compression when cranked that makes for part of the tube sound as well as a push pull circuit with a transformer.

They could at least put the 12AX7 sections in push pull through a small transformer with an appropriate non inductive load resistance and used that to drive the power amplifier.

Samsung is surely not at the top of the list when I think of "wowness". I don't know what they make today but when their appliances were first available, they made the most self-burning-out and cheaply designed TV sets I had ever had the dubious pleasure of servicing. The things would burn the circuit board under too-small resistors and also arc around leads burning the board, and eventually pop the flyback, almost insuring them to be not economical to repair.

But long before we had the fake tube amps there was Midwest Radio corp. with their floor standing radios with inflated tube count and "power saver" circuit. Some models had tubes with no other connection other than the filament but for even more marketing mileage they included an economizer switch so these tube filaments could be shut off when "full performance" wasn't needed for local coverage.

They did make some interesting looking receivers and many command high collector prices. The old ads were interesting and they used a number of Hollywood personalities in their advertising campaigns.

They probably don't care how perfect it sounds, just as long as it says "tube", then the idiots will bite. Makes me think of those little plastic fishing lures that look like a worm, problem is most fish aren't dumb and know the difference (believe me, I know). Something makes me think fish are smarter than audiophools.

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Samsung is surely not at the top of the list when I think of "wowness". I don't know what they make today but when their appliances were first available, they made the most self-burning-out and cheaply designed TV sets I had ever had the dubious pleasure of servicing. The things would burn the circuit board under too-small resistors and also arc around leads burning the board, and eventually pop the flyback, almost insuring them to be not economical to repair.

Their TV's (Smart TV and/or 3D versions) are rated quite good by a number of sources. Likewise, their home theater systems are also rated very well. I also heard that they OEM several TV models to other well known names.