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I will go with proven results after hundreds of millions of vaccinations. You go with your unfounded conspiracy theories.

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there really is no conspiracy theory , about vaccines

in 2009 , Novartis , had to withdraw their meningitis vaccine , after they found it was contaminated , with a bacterium that actually causes meningitis .

In 2007 , Merck , recalled over one million does of Hib ( Haemophilus influenzae type b ) vaccine due to their sterilisation equipment being contaminated with bacillus cereus bacteria , associated with food poisoning .

LiveScience has an interesting article about how conspiracy theorists are very likely to claim that vaccines are unsafe:
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By Mindy Weisberger, Senior Writer | February 1, 2018 02:41pm ET

If someone vehemently argues that President John F. Kennedy's assassination was "an inside job," that Princess Diana was murdered or that the U.S. government knew about the attack on New York City's World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, and declined to stop it, they might also skip vaccinations, according to a new study.

Their findings, described in a new study, are based on survey responses from thousands of people representing dozens of nations. The scientists were searching for clues to the psychology of anti-vaccination sentiments— despite scant evidence that vaccines are harmful — and they found that people who were the most distrustful of vaccines were also the ones with the strongest beliefs in certain conspiracy theories — regardless of their level of education.
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in 2009 , Novartis , had to withdraw their meningitis vaccine , after they found it was contaminated , with a bacterium that actually causes meningitis .

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Yep. And as a result, no one was put at risk.
Precautionary recalls are common in every industry, from the food industry to the drug industry to the automotive industry. They are an indication that the system works.

LiveScience has an interesting article about how conspiracy theorists are very likely to claim that vaccines are unsafe:
===========================Conspiracy Theorists Don't Trust Vaccines Either
By Mindy Weisberger, Senior Writer | February 1, 2018 02:41pm ET

If someone vehemently argues that President John F. Kennedy's assassination was "an inside job," that Princess Diana was murdered or that the U.S. government knew about the attack on New York City's World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, and declined to stop it, they might also skip vaccinations, according to a new study.

Their findings, described in a new study, are based on survey responses from thousands of people representing dozens of nations. The scientists were searching for clues to the psychology of anti-vaccination sentiments— despite scant evidence that vaccines are harmful — and they found that people who were the most distrustful of vaccines were also the ones with the strongest beliefs in certain conspiracy theories — regardless of their level of education.
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Yep. And as a result, no one was put at risk.
Precautionary recalls are common in every industry, from the food industry to the drug industry to the automotive industry. They are an indication that the system works.

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No actually the system , what ever that means , doesn't work .

It means that the protocols that are in place are not good enough . period

It means that the protocols that are in place are not good enough . period

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So again, you forego an education, you don't understand the system and complain about some protocols you believe aren't good enough, but haven't got a clue what they are or how they work. This, for something that is actually working pretty good.

So again, you forego an education, you don't understand the system and complain about some protocols you believe aren't good enough, but haven't got a clue what they are or how they work. This, for something that is actually working pretty good.

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Pretty good is not good enough . it is our health and our children's health

So the protocols of any vaccine must be analyzed by spectrum analysis , what chemicals and metals are in it and why , by microbiology specialist

as third party objective analysists

and that this paper is open to the public , promulgated , with full explanation , in simple terms , and open to questions and concerns

Pretty good is not good enough . it is our health and our children's health

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Yes, it is. And we have a simple choice.

Vaccinate and save millions of lives.
Don't vaccinate and have millions of children - including potentially your own - die horrible deaths from preventable diseases. You can encourage these deaths by spreading vaccine conspiracy theories; those conspiracy theories have already claimed dozens of lives.

Vaccinate and save millions of lives.
Don't vaccinate and have millions of children - including potentially your own - die horrible deaths from preventable diseases. You can encourage these deaths by spreading vaccine conspiracy theories; those conspiracy theories have already claimed dozens of lives.

Take your pick.

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yet at the same time , millions could die from the vaccination its self . for a variety of reasons .

Vaccinate and save millions of lives.
Don't vaccinate and have millions of children - including potentially your own - die horrible deaths from preventable diseases. You can encourage these deaths by spreading vaccine conspiracy theories; those conspiracy theories have already claimed dozens of lives.

Take your pick.

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yet at the same time , millions could die from the vaccination its self . for a variety of reasons .

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yet at the same time , millions could die from the vaccination its self . for a variety of reasons .

the protocols for vaccine production need to be vastly improved

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If "millions could die from the vaccination itself"... then why haven't they died yet? How many BILLION people have been vaccinated? How many hundreds of millions, possibly billions, of lives have they saved... vs the couple hundred that they may have taken through a failure in quality control? If that failure is enough to get them banned, then damn, you better ban every aircraft, automobile, restaurant, farm, water treatment plant, power plant, fireworks plant, etc... ban EVERYTHING because, if it has a mistake in it, it could be lethal!

If "millions could die from the vaccination itself"... then why haven't they died yet? How many BILLION people have been vaccinated? How many hundreds of millions, possibly billions, of lives have they saved... vs the couple hundred that they may have taken through a failure in quality control? If that failure is enough to get them banned, then damn, you better ban every aircraft, automobile, restaurant, farm, water treatment plant, power plant, fireworks plant, etc... ban EVERYTHING because, if it has a mistake in it, it could be lethal!

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If you were some of the Hundreds that died from protocols that were lacking , you would think differently

and all of those examples you gave have improved their protocols , except , vaccine production .

It demonstrates that your knowledge of anything to do with chemistry and pharmaceuticals - and, frankly, anything sciency - is founded on ignorance and fear. Your understanding of vaccines is no more credible than your understanding of water. You even went so far as to go find a link about DHMO as an attempt to show that your words were backed up by something official. And they weren't.

Why should anyone put any faith at all in your claims, when you have voluntarily and repeatedly shown that you simply don't know what you're talking about, and will link to any piece of junk out there?

This thread is worse than useless. It's promoting misinformation and spreading ignorance.