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I must say that I am also disapointed, I thought this was all behind us. I resigned because I thought because of my health reasons that someone more able to

Message 1 of 5
, Apr 3, 2005

I must say that I am also disapointed, I
thought this was all behind us. I resigned because I thought because of my
health reasons that someone more able to handle the stress without hurting
themsleves could do a better job, but what is going on here in this message is
not cool. He should have posted this here as well, then it might have
looked better. Now dont get me wrong I am not saying that Gunnar did not
commit treason or anything as dramatic as that, and Anyone who says he is or did
is wrong and has no idea about free speech.

A fellow citizen found this message posted on a
public forum and informed me about it's disturbing content:

Gunnar

Joined: 13 Feb 2005Posts:
22

Posted: Sun 03 Apr 2005 00:51
0 Post subject: And
now??

The Idea is important,
especially in those countries, where GLBT people are opressed and
outcast. It is not that easy for gays living in these countries.
I'm way lucky there, because I'm German, living in Germany. It's
not too hard for me... . But I see that it is way harder for
others, not limited to, but including citizens of the UK and USA.
There this Idea seems to be badly needed. Badly needed as a kind
of a psycological "crutch" I guess. Hope is a powerfull force.
With having "Land in sight" life is somewhat easier. Question to
be asked is, if there is really land in Sight, or if this all is
just an illusion. If the last one applies, then it will be hard
for those who now hope, if this turns out to be an Illusion. I
don't want to refer to things done or not done in this Kingdom.
But as far as I can see, the way this "Government" behaves - that
isn't done. Perhaps they will learn, perhaps they will not.

On a personal note I might add that I was, after "abstain"
from the Kingdom for a few days, able to laugh again. Should I
really continue to work for this and having pain in my stomach
every time i open an email from them on my computer? Should I more
or less quit my social life, meeting friends and stuff, getting
lonely just for an Idea I don't need?

I don't need the
Kingdom, and I honestly do not know if that Kingdom needs me.

Please respond.

Gunnar

I
wanted every citizen to see this posting for themselves made by a member of
the Assembly (who signed it) who has always publicly demanded transperancy
from everyone, but he himself decided to be less than transparent and posted
this message in his own public forum rather than in our official public
forum. The reasons for his own failure of transparency are his
own.

I will refrain from drawing my own conclusions as to this lastest
revelation. I only wish to express publically my personal disappointment
and dismay of this member's actions.

I must say that I am also disapointed, I
thought this was all behind us. I resigned because I thought because of
my health reasons that someone more able to handle the stress without hurting
themsleves could do a better job, but what is going on here in this message is
not cool. He should have posted this here as well, then it might have
looked better. Now dont get me wrong I am not saying that Gunnar did not
commit treason or anything as dramatic as that, and Anyone who says he is or
did is wrong and has no idea about free speech.

A fellow citizen found this message posted on a
public forum and informed me about it's disturbing content:

Gunnar

Joined: 13 Feb 2005Posts:
22

Posted: Sun 03 Apr 2005
00:51 0 Post subject:
And now??

The Idea is important,
especially in those countries, where GLBT people are opressed
and outcast. It is not that easy for gays living in these
countries. I'm way lucky there, because I'm German, living in
Germany. It's not too hard for me... . But I see that it is way
harder for others, not limited to, but including citizens of the
UK and USA. There this Idea seems to be badly needed. Badly
needed as a kind of a psycological "crutch" I guess. Hope is
a powerfull force. With having "Land in sight" life is somewhat
easier. Question to be asked is, if there is really land in
Sight, or if this all is just an illusion. If the last one
applies, then it will be hard for those who now hope, if this
turns out to be an Illusion. I don't want to refer to things
done or not done in this Kingdom. But as far as I can see, the
way this "Government" behaves - that isn't done. Perhaps they
will learn, perhaps they will not.

On a personal note I
might add that I was, after "abstain" from the Kingdom for a few
days, able to laugh again. Should I really continue to work for
this and having pain in my stomach every time i open an email
from them on my computer? Should I more or less quit my social
life, meeting friends and stuff, getting lonely just for an Idea
I don't need?

I don't need the Kingdom, and I honestly
do not know if that Kingdom needs me.

Please respond.

Gunnar

I
wanted every citizen to see this posting for themselves made by a member of
the Assembly (who signed it) who has always publicly demanded transperancy
from everyone, but he himself decided to be less than transparent and posted
this message in his own public forum rather than in our official public
forum. The reasons for his own failure of transparency are his
own.

I will refrain from drawing my own conclusions as to this
lastest revelation. I only wish to express publically my personal
disappointment and dismay of this member's
actions.

Sincerely,

Enrique Pérezacting President
electGLK Assembly

gunnarcologne

Dear fellow citizens, I wonder why MLA Enrique Pérez posted my message on my forum right here, WITHOUT posting the reply posted by a former member of the

Message 3 of 5
, Apr 5, 2005

Dear fellow citizens,

I wonder why MLA Enrique Pérez posted my message on my forum right
here, WITHOUT posting the reply posted by a former member of the
Privy Council. I think it explain very much, and the government
should admit it also.
I did not post my message here, because I was afraid that it could
shatter the whole group again. I don't post what I talk about to my
personal friends also.
And I think, that transparency of a government - for example giving
exact figures on it's expenses - is something different from privacy.
The PC member Bill Freeman asked me once to tell everything I do to
HIM Dale, and I denied that, using the words:" I will not tell Dale
if I jack off or not."
Privacy is something needed for everyone. Said member of the
Legislative Assembly aparently think, that every citizen serving in
the Assembly should be made of glass. I don't think so.
I have ever - ever - said, that I don't want to be a YESSIR man - I'm
not a slave of anything or anyone, nor do I belong to the military.
The GLK wants freedom for gays. It don't serve this goal well, if it
appears to be a place, where one can't have privacy, where one can't
have even the freedom of THOUGHT. "The gay Kingdom is nothing less
than a democracy," Member of the Privy Council Joe Bridgeman has once
stated. I couldn't believe it as he did so.
But I was wrong, it seems. And Joe Bridgeman was right.
THE GLK IS NOTHING LESS THAN A DEMOCRACY.
This is, however, not treason: It's stated as an opinion. This is
also NOT a resignation.
Enjoy the message i have attached.
Best regards

Günter Knesebeck
MLA

Note: If someone does think this message has perhaps been changed or
edited, (s)he may have a look at the forum on www.gaynewsboard.net
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The Gay Kingdom is a difficult idea to bring to reality. It will
require a great deal of effort on the part of those who attempt to
accomplish it. I do not refer to the tasks of taking a case before
the International Court of Justice or obtaining independence from
Australia. The foremost difficulty facing the Gay Kingdom is its own
people. Can they go one week without declaring one or another of
their members an `enemy of the state'? Can they realize that
other
Gay people are the only allies they will ever get and begin treating
them that way? The enemies of the Gay people are numerous and
obvious. It is odd that it should be so difficult to know who the
friends of the Gay people are, but it seems to be very difficult
indeed.

I have always thought that the Gay Kingdom was more valuable as an
idea than as an island. Care can and should be taken to make that
idea worth the devotion that so many people seem to be willing to
give it. All ideas eventually grow into reality if properly cared
for. It takes time. It is also necessary to realize who your allies
are. Not everyone needs the idea of the Gay Kingdom, but there are
those who do need it.

It could be said that this idea is not worth the trouble it costs. It
has been said by many people, even some of those who created it.

It could also be said that the idea is worth any cost, and this too
has been said by many people, even some of those who created it.

Just what the hell are you rambling about? What are you on? Damn man get a grip. Post something that is coherent, or don’t post at all. What a

Message 4 of 5
, Apr 5, 2005

Just what the hell are you rambling about?What are you on?Damn man get a

grip.Post something that is coherent, or don�t post at all.What a

disappointment you have been as a member of the Assembly.I regret the vote I

threw away on your behalf.

Joe Grande

Seattle

gunnarcologne <gunnarcologne@...> wrote:

Dear fellow citizens,

I wonder why MLA Enrique P�rez posted my message on my forum right here, WITHOUT posting the reply posted by a former member of the Privy Council. I think it explain very much, and the government should admit it also.I did not post my message here, because I was afraid that it could shatter the whole group again. I don't post what I talk about to my personal friends also.And I think, that transparency of a government - for example giving exact figures on it's expenses - is something different from privacy. The PC member Bill Freeman asked me once to tell everything I do to HIM Dale, and I denied that, using the words:" I will not tell Dale if I jack off or not." Privacy is something needed for everyone. Said member of the Legislative Assembly aparently think, that every citizen serving in the
Assembly should be made of glass. I don't think so.I have ever - ever - said, that I don't want to be a YESSIR man - I'm not a slave of anything or anyone, nor do I belong to the military.The GLK wants freedom for gays. It don't serve this goal well, if it appears to be a place, where one can't have privacy, where one can't have even the freedom of THOUGHT. "The gay Kingdom is nothing less than a democracy," Member of the Privy Council Joe Bridgeman has once stated. I couldn't believe it as he did so. But I was wrong, it seems. And Joe Bridgeman was right.THE GLK IS NOTHING LESS THAN A DEMOCRACY.This is, however, not treason: It's stated as an opinion. This is also NOT a resignation. Enjoy the message i have attached.Best regards

G�nter KnesebeckMLA

Note: If someone does think this message has perhaps been changed or edited, (s)he may have a look at the forum on
www.gaynewsboard.net----------------------------------------------------------------------

The Gay Kingdom is a difficult idea to bring to reality. It will require a great deal of effort on the part of those who attempt to accomplish it. I do not refer to the tasks of taking a case before the International Court of Justice or obtaining independence from Australia. The foremost difficulty facing the Gay Kingdom is its own people. Can they go one week without declaring one or another of their members an `enemy of the state'? Can they realize thatother Gay people are the only allies they will ever get and begin treating
them that way? The enemies of the Gay people are numerous and obvious. It is odd that it should be so difficult to know who the friends of the Gay people are, but it seems to be very difficult indeed.

I have always thought that the Gay Kingdom was more valuable as an idea than as an island. Care can and should be taken to make that idea worth the devotion that so many people seem to be willing to give it. All ideas eventually grow into reality if properly cared for. It takes time. It is also necessary to realize who your allies are. Not everyone needs the idea of the Gay Kingdom, but there are those who do need it.

It could be said that this idea is not worth the trouble it costs. It has been said by many people, even some of those who created it.

It could also be said that the idea is worth any cost, and this too has been said by many people, even some of those who created it.