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Oh how people really forgot. When Nix/Whaley took over we probability had the worst roster in the league ,to the point where head coaching candidates did not even want to interview for the position. Whaley was aggressive to bring in talent. It did not work out but I respect it. The only thing that I didnt like was how he did Fred Jackson at the end. Definitely would not have hurt for him to go out the same way Kyle Williams did .

BTW way it could be said that the roster that Beane/McDermott inherited was so good that even after they got rid of everyone and added a couple of pieces to fit the scheme it was still good enough to make the playoffs and only lost by a score

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7 minutes ago, CookieG said:

Not too sure a GM who took a team's offense from 10th in scoring to 30th in scoring should really be taking shots at another GM, whether directly or indirectly.

Context is king my friend.

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I agree Whaley when paired with McD had a great draft & i think if he would have had someone like that prior to McD's hiring as a HC he would have done much better & had a number of better players drafted by him to show for his time !

But given that every HC that got hired while he was the GM had such a different plan & the Pegs swinging for the fences with the Rex hire i think helped to put Whaley in a spot where the pressure was a lot more than normal then you add Brandon in the mix & that was a terrible addition to what was going on !!

Whaley was a wheeler dealer & if paired with others that could have given him a better path due to him being a rookie GM i think he could do a much better job than he did but the incompetence that surrounded him didn't help him or the Bills at all especially when it came to writing contracts thank goodness for Bean in that department !!

The thing is Beane is already on track with the bad contracts.

5yrs 55mil Star

3yrs 21mil Murphy

1yr 5mil Vontae

With the resources Beane had to work with last offseason looks like he didnt do a great job at all with the money.

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I think Whaley did as well as he could have in the absence of a cohesive philosophy on how to build a team. When you change coaches as often as you change socks there is no player type that you draft for because your organization is always in crisis.

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Typical. All the Whaley supporters... all the good picks and signings were all Doug Whaley. All the bad picks and signings were all Nix/Rex/Brandon/Overdorf.

Absolutely. Right out of the Whaley supporter playbook

1 hour ago, stuvian said:

I think Whaley did as well as he could have in the absence of a cohesive philosophy on how to build a team. When you change coaches as often as you change socks there is no player type that you draft for because your organization is always in crisis.

So Whaley had no idea how to build a team? Right I agree. He’s where he belongs....in the XFL

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I agree....the Nix hire really pissed me off. It was clear the Bills needed a real GM. Rather than conducting a legit search, the just gave the job to Buddy who was like a 70 year consultant. They literally scanned a list of names - terrible

1 minute ago, harv shitz said:

You wonder where the team would be had they not hired Nix, who I always felt was a bumbling bafoon. It's been discusses here adnaseum here, but his miss on Russel Wilson really set the team back.

And to pass on a high rated quarterback, and take a wide receiver is simply ludicrous. But, "Ryan is our guy."

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Someone in the NFL under pressure to win? Goodness, we should hire him back and let him know that he doesn't need to win and give him a blankie so he can take frequent naps.

You do a very good job at incorrectly over simplifying a situation. Either that or do you don’t legit understand.

Some GM’s (like Beane) are given more time and patience to develop a winning team. Others are expected to win immediately. The question is, was a GM like Beane have more patience than Whaley who seemed to be very desperate to win

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I think Whaley had coaches that were not his choice forced on him. I also believe Whaley wanted to take a QB in 2017 but was overruled. I know he was high on several of them Trubisky and Watson to name two. I have always suspected that Anthony Lynn was his choice for HC not McD. It was also evident from the beginning Rex was not his guy.

I agree with this- DW liked to spend money on Dline and Rex needed LBs. They had different visions. I think it was Bill Parcells who said something like "do not expect me to cook the meal without allowing me to choose the ingredients".

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You do a very good job at incorrectly over simplifying a situation. Either that or do you don’t legit understand.

Some GM’s (like Beane) are given more time and patience to develop a winning team. Others are expected to win immediately. The question is, was a GM like Beane have more patience than Whaley who seemed to be very desperate to win﻿

Some people aren't under any pressure at all to put together a complete sentence.

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I think the key in all of this was Whaley didn’t have the whole scope/vision of what a GM had to do. First he was never the face of the franchise, Russ was, then Marrone. He didn’t pick any of the three coaches (Gailey, Marrone or Rex - Pegula’s fell in love with him). I don’t think the upper management ever really gave him 100% control of the organization on the football side.

Two, in those days Overdorf managed all the contracts, Whaley had no say in any of that. He didn’t know the in and out. Whaley existed in the final days of the Ralph Wilson dysfunction with Littman, Russ, Berchold, Overdorf, and then new ownership came in and he was forced down another peg.

This is so spot on.

The post Mularkey era was peak walking corpse level Ralph. Not to denigrate the man's frailty, more so symptomatic of an unwillingness to address the future of his team while he was alive and more capable of making decisions.

So in walk Ralph's cadre of self-interested sycophants, eager to absolve themselves of any blame for the team's many failures while also somehow remain employed at executive level income.

It frustrates me that to this day, we still don't honestly know who made what terrible decisions.

Who traded Jason Peters? Was it Russ Brandon? Or Jim Overdorf?

Who drafted Aaron Maybin? Was it Jauron, Modrak?

The team was either incapable or incompetent in their ability to explain who is in power, with what responsibilities, and with whom they report. Modrak, Guy, Overdorf, Brandon, Berchtold. Who are these people, what are their qualifications, and why do they work for you, Ralph?

This remains a great scar on Wilson's legacy, and the team remains weak at several positions because of damaging decisions from over a decade ago.

The Bills traded a Hall of Fame left tackle in the prime of his career who IS STILL PLAYING AT AN ELITE LEVEL NOW.