Hi all. did my apprenticeship back in the 80's, crossover between the 14th and 15th editions(yeah I am an old git 50) in a commercial/industrial background. Did my 17th in 2010 (they put me through the course as a favour) but was in a technical engineering firm and not been "on the tools for agood 10 years. Now starting on my own, having left, I fing that the plumber I am working with seems to be more qualified to do the new installation than me. OK I'm not bitter! My local training establishment offers this course, CITY & GUILDS 2394/2395 4 days £795 +vat. Is this my only option? I thought it would be cheaper to do Part P for me to be able to self certify. I'm in west yorks btw. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou people.

If you want to belong to a (part P) Competent Persons Scheme, it might be worth checking with the various scheme operators to see what they require.

How much notifiable electrical work are you likely to do? - remember that the latest incarnation of part P has significantly reduced the amount of notifiable work. Several people on here have said recently that it would be cheaper for them to pay BC notification fees for the few jobs that include notifiable work than pay annual scheme membership fees (and associated costs).

No, but I'm fairly sure I've got everything in all its variants from 1924 onwards. That's the problem with (obsessive) collecting, it isn't good enough to have say the 11th when there are 5 or more revisions, reprints and amendments of it...... One day I'll compile a list.

"I was thinking of the lost earnings from having to take a day out for the annual (?) inspection."

I don't think many sole traders on domestic have more than half a day and I've always viewed the visit as a personalised on site training course, but there are some contractor visits where the assessor has to spend all his time recording deviations.... That again, is training but the contractor may not view it that way

Never bothered with Part P schemes, never had the need.
The installation owner is ultimately responsible for any notification so I leave it up to them.

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Hi all. did my apprenticeship back in the 80's, crossover between the 14th and 15th editions(yeah I am an old git 50) in a commercial/industrial background. Did my 17th in 2010 (they put me through the course as a favour) but was in a technical engineering firm and not been "on the tools for agood 10 years. Now starting on my own, having left, I fing that the plumber I am working with seems to be more qualified to do the new installation than me. OK I'm not bitter! My local training establishment offers this course, CITY & GUILDS 2394/2395 4 days £795 +vat. Is this my only option? I thought it would be cheaper to do Part P for me to be able to self certify. I'm in west yorks btw. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou people.

Hi. First off... you are bitter otherwise you wouldn't be posting this, (and you have the right to be bitter), you did your apprenticeship in the 80's? Then you're just a slip of a lad compared to me... late 60's for me... when I joined this forum I too started like you... moaning about the changing of the RYB to GGG, (grey grey grey), and really I could not see the light, (sorry - no pun intended ), as I moaned about prat P, (ho ho ho... how funny to call it 'prat P'... ho ho ho), BUT... I have backed off... i don't get involved with politics anymore... I don't get involved with looooong posts, pretty much a waste of time and resources TBH, there are many very clever people on here...read and learn my little fiend... read and learn... instead of moaning about the way our industries run.... just crack on and do your thing... don't worry about it... part P has been watered down so much it isn't really much of a problem... the good news for you lot in the Yorks district is... I hear, from very reliable sources, that very soon you'll be getting electricity fed into your actual homes next year.... so work will be plentiful!

Thankyou Tom for your relaxed view on my (obvious) resentments! I just want to "do the right thing". I seem to be bogging myself down with researching options instead of doing some proper work! It's also good to hear we will be getting electricity soon, my potato powered clock and wind up radio are tiresome. What size earth bond should I use for the potato btw? Thanks

We're just going to lend you some as a trial - see how you get on with it

In true Yorkshire fashion, we'll be wanting it back, mind

You can probably give me a few years if you are 14th/15th - I was strickly 15th - - but you'll have done 236 Parts 1 and 2 and probably a C certificate amongst others - so other than perhaps doing something to bring your testing qulalifications up to date (what an idea, seperate qualifications for testing ) the I suggest you just crack on and earn some brass (you'll have 'leccy to pay for soon)

Thankyou Tom for your relaxed view on my (obvious) resentments! I just want to "do the right thing". I seem to be bogging myself down with researching options instead of doing some proper work! It's also good to hear we will be getting electricity soon, my potato powered clock and wind up radio are tiresome. What size earth bond should I use for the potato btw? Thanks

Well... I am pleased to offer you a shortcut... miss out the few years I became bitter about whats going on with the sparking industry / part P etc. It isn't worth worrying about! If I could turn the clock back to where you are you know what? I'd look for another direction to go... I applied for some papers to join the police force when I was 40 - that was a big mistake... shudda - wudda... cudda! My sons a sparks and is doing really well but I feel guilty hes doing it - he has two sparks working full time for him... NIC EIC approved contractor etc. But I feel it would be better off somewhere else... I have posted this before on this forum... even being a train driver... chuff chuff... close the engines door and go home not like working for yourself!

Anyways... the best earth for your potato powered clock... haha... would be to connect it to a row of beans... use old tea bags for manure and so you would then have the perfect TT supply, (ouch! Even at my standards... that was bad!), good spread for an earth there!

Good luck in whatever you decide to do... concentrate on you... not what others are getting up to!

No, but I'm fairly sure I've got everything in all its variants from 1924 onwards. That's the problem with (obsessive) collecting, it isn't good enough to have say the 11th when there are 5 or more revisions, reprints and amendments of it...... One day I'll compile a list.

Regards

BOD

Bod,
PLEASE do a list, I am trying also to collect a full set!
I know, but I don't have to explain to you I guess...

I'm renting an empty farm unit Paul which will have a 450 sq ft mezz as an office with at least 54 Dexion 3 x 2 shelves so I'll have a big move and sort out over the winter. I'm hoping that's enough space as I also have Private Eye back to no 11 and probably 3000 duplicates, yet alone those of Viz, Poot etc.
The project was delayed by a few months as I bought a 3 tonne two poster whose description as working was a matter of opinion, but now fully refurburbished with new load nuts and bearings sat on 2 m3 of freshly reinforced concrete.
My editions 2 to 7 are high quality copies so I'm still looking for originals (competing with JP) so will sort out my duplicates and do some tradingMeanwhile, the 1882 1st has arrived and in unread condition (like most of the editions I've bought)

Having followed this thing since it came out, my conclusion is that almost none of the customers or building authorities understand it and no one is enforcing it. The best course of action is a complete boycott to force the issue, since it is dragging on wasting us all time and money.

There is virtually nothing to enforce. The electrician or some other doing the work is not under any duty to notify the work or be a registered installer. The duty to comply with ADP and to notify any work that is notifiable is the responsibility of the property owner and they can choose if the wish to use a registered contractor or 3rd Party Verifier for notifiable work. Companies who are registered as a competent person don't have to use qualified staff to carry out installation work or to inspect and test the work on completion. The only duty required by ADP is for the QS to carry out the administrative task of notifying the work without any requirement to inspect the work or even to attend site.