Really, can a M3 with VT2-650 be considered slow, does anyone really needs more power then that from a RWD daily driver!? Sure it must be fun to floor a 1000hp AWD automatic car in a straight line, but how often can you do that in your daily commute.

Personnaly what I find the most fun in a car is breaking the tail loose and it happens that the M3 does that a lot better then the GT-R which you can't buy with a manual tranny anyway(personnal taste). So for me the M3 is the most fun all around performer even if you can not reach the same performance level as the GT-R! To me the fun factor is more important then beating every other cars on the highway even though I also have a lot of fun doing that!

IMHO, RWD+manual+8300rpm >>> AWD+auto+7000rpm

Also the M3 is more civilized and a bit cheaper so that leaves me plenty of money to change my rear tires twice every summer! But don't misunderstand me, I love GT-Rs, I just love M3 better for what I do, everyone buy cars for different purpose. But in the end, it's not the M3 that is too slow, it's the GT-R that's too fast!

As slow as it is, nothing beats driving a proper RWD car around a race track where the driver is rewarded for his skill rather than AWD and tons of electronics aiding you. I have tons of respect for the GTR, but I chose the M3 over it because I love being in full control of driving. If I wanted to be faster than everyone on the road and track I'd probably get the GTR, but I don't care about bragging rights. I want to learn to be a better driver and have fun along the way. That's why I have a manual transmission, rear-wheel-drive car.

The GT-R can make any driver seem like Michael Schumacher on a track its unbelievable. There were very few cars I couldn't pass on a track, and I actually sold it because it was like driving in a video game. Its so easy but it lacks the effort..and the effort is what makes it fun.

I also missed the sound of a V8...so I went back to an M3, something that requires a little more skill and diligence to get around a track.

The GT-R can make any driver seem like Michael Schumacher on a track its unbelievable. There were very few cars I couldn't pass on a track, and I actually sold it because it was like driving in a video game. Its so easy but it lacks the effort..and the effort is what makes it fun.

I also missed the sound of a V8...so I went back to an M3, something that requires a little more skill and diligence to get around a track.

I may get the new 911 next...

Jeff

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Originally Posted by radiantm3

As slow as it is, nothing beats driving a proper RWD car around a race track where the driver is rewarded for his skill rather than AWD and tons of electronics aiding you. I have tons of respect for the GTR, but I chose the M3 over it because I love being in full control of driving. If I wanted to be faster than everyone on the road and track I'd probably get the GTR, but I don't care about bragging rights. I want to learn to be a better driver and have fun along the way. That's why I have a manual transmission, rear-wheel-drive car.

Agree 100% . I did the same thing... had a m3, got a gtr and now back to a m3 because on the track, the gtr was an animal but it wasn't fun.. it always felt like the gtr was "helping" me everywhere.. especially coming out of tight turns... I just get to the apex, slam on the throttle and the car takes care of everything... Got boring after a while... I missed the V8 roar too... now its back!!

Uhmmmm, it's MY choice and I don't need someone pontificating on the rationale of why "anyone would pick an M3 over a GTR". I drove a GTR and it isn't a friendly DD car. It makes a thousand different noises and the ride quality is poor for something you are going to drive every day. Good enough for you?

Agree 100% . I did the same thing... had a m3, got a gtr and now back to a m3 because on the track, the gtr was an animal but it wasn't fun.. it always felt like the gtr was "helping" me everywhere.. especially coming out of tight turns... I just get to the apex, slam on the throttle and the car takes care of everything... Got boring after a while... I missed the V8 roar too... now its back!!

+10,000! I love the GTR, recently test drove one, but i couldnt fall in love with it like my m3.

As slow as it is, nothing beats driving a proper RWD car around a race track where the driver is rewarded for his skill rather than AWD and tons of electronics aiding you. I have tons of respect for the GTR, but I chose the M3 over it because I love being in full control of driving. If I wanted to be faster than everyone on the road and track I'd probably get the GTR, but I don't care about bragging rights. I want to learn to be a better driver and have fun along the way. That's why I have a manual transmission, rear-wheel-drive car.

Nothing out there rewards you more than a miata. Ok...Maybe the FR-S/BRZ.

The M3 is still a point and shoot car. Quite simply, if you need to learn the essence of driving in the format you mentioned..Miata is where its at and let's be honest..world's cheaper to own.

" the M3 doesn’t skimp on supercar performance. It just happens to be dressed in a polished and practical package"

By that standard a Mustang GT is also a super car; seeing as how its faster than the M3 in almost every objective category. I hear the "Too easy to drive" comment a lot from regular people on the track. This is usually an excuse as to why they didn't run as fast, or faster than the GTR owner.

No need to shoo me off either, as I am genuinely considering an E92 M3 now that prices for used ones are in the mid 30k range. It would make for a nice daily driver.

" the M3 doesn’t skimp on supercar performance. It just happens to be dressed in a polished and practical package"

By that standard a Mustang GT is also a super car; seeing as how its faster than the M3 in almost every objective category. I hear the "Too easy to drive" comment a lot from regular people on the track. This is usually an excuse as to why they didn't run as fast, or faster than the GTR owner.

No need to shoo me off either, as I am genuinely considering an E92 M3 now that prices for used ones are in the mid 30k range. It would make for a nice daily driver.

Who knows, maybe after buying the M3 you'll get rid of the GT-R like many have done! Small advise, buy a 6-speed, not that hard to drive and a lot more involving!

Who knows, maybe after buying the M3 you'll get rid of the GT-R like many have done! Small advise, buy a 6-speed, not that hard to drive and a lot more involving!

I was a huge advocate of the 6 speed manuals, especially during the SMG era of BMWs. After owning a DCT transmission and driving the DCT M3, the prospect of shifting manually just seems silly to me. It doesn't help that BMW manual transmissions are pretty rubbery in shifter feel.