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As far as I can tell from the setup videos, there are supposed to be carabiners included with the adjustable webbing suspension. Between the two hammocks I ordered, there are zero carabiners included. Have the setup procedures changed, were the carabiners omitted from my order, or do I need to provide the carabiners myself?

They're not included, and you don't need them. Some use them, or lighter Dutch Clips, to make it quicker to attach the straps to the trees.

As far as I can tell from the setup videos, there are supposed to be carabiners included with the adjustable webbing suspension. Between the two hammocks I ordered, there are zero carabiners included. Have the setup procedures changed, were the carabiners omitted from my order, or do I need to provide the carabiners myself?

You could always unthread the strap from the buckles, and run the free end around the tree and through the fixed eye of the strap, then rethread the buckles. Saves some weight, but perfectly doable. The carabiners or dutch clips add speed and convenience.

Cheers

Brian

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Remember everyone, the OP is entitled to his/her opinion and remember what it's like to be new to all the info available here. I don't think it unreasonable for a new hanger to expect biners after seeing various videos. In my gear buying excitement I've missed the odd bit of info too.

Remember everyone, the OP is entitled to his/her opinion and remember what it's like to be new to all the info available here. I don't think it unreasonable for a new hanger to expect biners after seeing various videos. In my gear buying excitement I've missed the odd bit of info too.

I was anticipating biners as well after watching the videos. Not a big deal, went to my local outfitters picked a couple up for 6bucks a piece.

You can use the hamock without, sure. But it sucks, MUCH easier to just go get a couple biners. I tried savin' the weight of the biners once I saw it didn't come with the, but it wasn't worth the hassle everytime you setup and take down.

I tried savin' the weight of the biners once I saw it didn't come with the, but it wasn't worth the hassle everytime you setup and take down.

As a result of my misunderstanding, I thought I might have accidentally stumbled upon a more efficient means of setup - using a stick as a toggle through a fold in the webbing ... But I bet you're right and I'll revert to some kind of biner/hook/clip for pure ease of use.

I think the luster on Brandon's otherwise shining reputation would benefit by a line of text in the setup videos indicating that the carabiners are optional accessories. I decided to go with the adjustable webbing suspension based solely on the videos - and so never saw a need to seek out additional information. It appears that others have done the same. Seems like a subtle, obviously unintentional snafu in the selection/ordering process that could be addressed rather easily.

BTW, Brandon did respond to me personally and indicated that he would, indeed, consider addressing the issue in a revamp of the web site which is in the works. Bravo!

Carabiners included with adjustable webbing suspension?

Originally Posted by breyman

+1 on titanium dutch clips.

Ive been using the original dutch clips for a while now, but when i ordered my RR about a week ago i decided it was time for an upgrade..
Wouldn't you know it, my new titanium dutch clips came first! Now i get to stare at them until the mail man comes with the real prize...

Ive been using the original dutch clips for a while now, but when i ordered my RR about a week ago i decided it was time for an upgrade..
Wouldn't you know it, my new titanium dutch clips came first! Now i get to stare at them until the mail man comes with the real prize...

Nice. Titanium dutch clips on a RidgeRunner are two great things combined!