Originally Posted by pabar61"party politics is not her thing and won't be."

Which is one of the things I love about Condi. She is true to herself and would, if she were President, be true to the country. In my opinion, it's her intelligence that sets her apart from the rest of the public figures we've seen over the past 20-30 years.

Agreed__________________‎"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." -- Abraham Lincoln

Condi/Deneen or Deneen/Condi - really doesn't matter to me as they would have my vote instantly. I would even consider quitting my job just to work on the campaign full time.__________________Will I Wynn is a poster who used to go by the name of Dewey. He used to criticize people who did that.

Read it - very interesting. Especially coming from Maureen Dowd - a committed leftie.__________________Will I Wynn is a poster who used to go by the name of Dewey. He used to criticize people who did that.

Scandals aside - Hillary is just not qualified to be president. One of her alleged qualifications is having been First Lady for 8 years. Comedienne Kathleen Madigan does a hilarious bit about this involving her mom and dad. She compares Hillary to her mom, who, according to her dad, is just not qualified to do what he did just because she lived in the same house with him during their marriage. How is this any different? Certainly, Laura Bush was not qualified. Nor was any other First Lady. What is most terrifying is that here is how the Dems, in their twisted thinking, probably think it lines up: Hillary for 8, Michelle Obama for 8, Chelsea for 8, and Malia Obama for 8.__________________Will I Wynn is a poster who used to go by the name of Dewey. He used to criticize people who did that.

Originally Posted by pabar61 Hillary is just not qualified to be president.

Somebody slap me upside the head for chiming in again but this statement is incredulous. You do know Hillary Clinton got a law degree from Yale and went on to be a Congressional legal counsel? She co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. She was the first female chair of the Legal Services Corp and the first female partner of the Rose Law firm. Also served on the Board of Directors of Wal Mart. Besides 8 years as First Lady, she went on to be a US Senator and was later named Secretary of State. Please give me one other role she might have taken that would have improved her resume to the point of qualifying to run. In pabar's world, maybe you have to be Coach of a Super Bowl champion before one is qualified to run for POTUS. Geez. Are the rest of you on the Right buying these comments?

Disagree with everything she stands for, talk about her looks or her thighs if you must, but stating Ms. Clinton isn't qualified to run for the highest office is about as absurd a statement as one can make. Of course, that's my opinion.

She was a failure in role as First Lady (failed at universal health care), she was a failure as Senator (no legislative accomplishments) and she was a failure as Secretary of State (we are in a much worse international position than when she started). Case closed. Others on the right are welcome to chime in but I'm damn confident in this assessment.__________________Will I Wynn is a poster who used to go by the name of Dewey. He used to criticize people who did that.

She gained no more experience to become POTUS in the first lady role, she spent her time fighting off Whitewater, Vince Foster and Monica Lewinsky scandals. Now if fighting scandals makes you presidential material I will stand corrected. A one term senator does not garner you a special nod of the head either. Look at those who were senator that were not POTUS material John Kerry, John McCain, Harry Reid, Al Gore, barry obama. Padding your resume for a future presidential run is not very presidential at all. Her term as SOS speaks for itself, a failure on all fronts. Ask yourself were we stronger as a nation after hillary's tenure as SOS? The answer is an affirmative, NO. She is not presidential, she has the blood of her fellow American's on her hands and on her blood soaked pantsuit.__________________"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

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Ready on the firing line. Three clicks right. Load Willie Peter. New target. Fire at will !!!!! __________________"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen

Saying Clinton is not qualified is not absurd. She is not qualified and that is why she has done so poorly. Especially, as SOS, where she had to do more than say yes or no on a vote. She does know how to steal other peoples money though.__________________Susan

real - You can bend "Willie Peter" to your purpose (as though I had to tell you that), but it is a military term for white phosphorous (a burning, searing agent). Frank

PS - Reminds me of the guy who went to a shrink, and the shrink drew several pictures of everyday scenes, and the patient would answer with sexual interpretations. The shrink told him he had a sexual obsession, and the patient replied, "But you are the one drawing the dirty pictures". LOL__________________"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen

Hillary was born in the US, therefore she is qualified to run for President. There are other things in her resume, however, that would cause one to question here ability to do the job (a little different from "not qualified", but the meaning I think that is implied in that statement).

Here's a few to get us started:

- shady insider land deals- shady insider futures trading- relocating to a state where a Senator is retiring, so you can run for Senate to pad your resume, instead of running in your home state- disappearing for a trip to South America for 10 days in the middle of an international crisis, leaving your underlings to fall on your sword for you- lying to Congress about a coverup involving your staff being killed in foreign lands- identifying, and jailing, a scapegoat as part of the coverup scheme- lying to the nation and the world relative to the cause of the killing of your staff- conducting a policy of appeasement to our national enemies - creating a foundation, and using it to enrich yourself, in likely violation of charitable activities laws- you get the famous "3 AM" call, and you jet off to South America- support a war resolution as a Senator, then pretend you didn't as a candidate- be the most hawkish Democratic Senator, then completely change course when your party moves to your left- make a deal, wherein your husband campaigns for a candidate, if that candidate agrees to appoint you to a high-profile position to set up your run later

a few others, which are a little harder to prove:

- having the website of a newspaper running an article that is critical of your self-enrichment foundation get hacked and go down- having your close associates/ex business partners, who have knowledge of your insider deals, wind up dead in a public park under dubious conditions and circumstances

Basically, maybe you start off as a decent person when you graduate with your law degree, do some good works in Washington, then move back home and become corrupted by money.

Dewey - based on your standard to be president, George H.W. Bush was one of the most qualified people ever to be president, certainly with a resume that makes Hillary's look like she was a complete slacker. I would say that he was not a very good president. I can tell you from having been in the business world for over 30 years that once you get past the basic fundamentals for being qualified for a job, there are many intangibles that come into play, probably none bigger than character. Hillary's past, as Mike just showed, certainly makes her character something we should all worry about. But hey, "What difference does it make at this point?"__________________Will I Wynn is a poster who used to go by the name of Dewey. He used to criticize people who did that.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

--note that it states "natural-born" US citizen not "native-born." The constitution does not define the phrase "natural born" but a Congressional research group in 2011 made a statement on it to help define it.

Also--The 22nd amendment gives an additional requirement in that it makes a person ineligible for president if he had already been twice elected president or has been elected once and also served more than two years of a term to which he was not elected.

Those are the only qualifications to be president. You can feel someone is not president material (which is subjective) but most citizens are constitutionally qualified for the office.....and since we like to follow the constitution this is part of it. Same way most are qualified to run for governor of the state they live in (which is why you see Arnold and other actors, wrestlers, former pro and college athletes, models, cheerleaders, former military, etc. run and win local and state elections. Morality is not part of it. Your lifestyle nor background nor history are qualifications. Those things can effect how voters perceive you pro or con but they are not qualifications. Be a candidate who is articulate, charming and can get people to vote for you and your party will support you. Look at Sarah Palin. Of all the republican women in politics in 2008 they chose her...a person who was invisible in national politics. She had the look and charm to get voters. She had popularity based on looks and charm. She did not come across as a politician....she came across as one of us. A hockey mom. She hunts, fishes and is a mom. She is attractive with sex appeal and charm. So popular supporters pushed for her to run for president in 2012 while she was travelling the country in her bus during her tour. I personally believe Sarah Palin did not run for president in 2012 for 2 reasons. She did not feel shecould win the republican nomination and running would have exposed her weaknesses and ruined her reality tv, books, movies, and speaker gigs. Running for office has one big negative---your opponents will dig thru your past and recent history bring up every issue and every reason why you should not be elected. She would have been drug thru the mud and not only not won the nomination but her aura would have taken a big hit and she would not be viewed the same. As a Fox news personality, writer, actress, and political speaker she is gold. Looks and charm rule. Having her drama a political shortcomings in public spotlight for several months harms her more than it helps. She didn't need more publicity she was already the queen of it. Nothing good for her career at the time could come from running for president. She would have been exposed as all talk and glitter by Romney, Gingrich, Bachmann, cain, Perry, santorum, etc.

You also do not need accomplishments. Those just make you a more solid choice....but they are not qualifications. First 7 presidents were British subjects in Britsh Americas ( before American revolution and independence and establishing the United states of America). Their qualifications were money and power and prestige. The aristocrats ran things. They had the influence. They had the education and were articulate and could travel and get things done. Ditch digger joe can run for president but without being wealthy his campaign won't reach far. His lack of law school or former politics will hurt him. He will be crushed in debates when legal topics come up. He has a snowball's chance in roaring fireplace of winning.......but he is still qualified to run.We do not have to like or support someone for them to be qualified. And most of the people who have run have had things on their resume to validate them as a candidate.

__________________‎"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." -- Abraham Lincoln

Evidence clearly shows there is absolutely no effort, either now or in the past, to preclude minorities from voting.Liberals rely almost exclusively on emotion and hysteria when making policy decisions.Hillary is a bold-faced liar.

fhoenix - we were using different words to say very similar things. Hillary is qualified based on the Constitution, which is all you need.

If she's worthy is a whole different argument. Dewey has presented reasons why she is, and I presented some why I feel she's not.

Your whole quote is exactly what got us where we are now. Our current POTUS had nothing in his background to indicate he could handle the job, and whether or not he has is one the things that divides the country. However, more people think now that he has not than believe he has.

a Yankee liberal going back to the tired line that southerners are racist. Really gets old.

Maybe she should check into Ohio and PA, where whole precincts didn't issue one Republican vote of thousands cast. Or, the black panthers using intimidation to keep white voters out. That all happened north of the Mason-Dixon line.

Running for office has one big negative---your opponents will dig thru your past and recent history bring up every issue and every reason why you should not be elected. She would have been drug thru the mud and not only not won the nomination but her aura would have taken a big hit and she would not be viewed the same.

I agree with you. But then those on the right turn around and claim this was never done for Obama. Really? As I think you said in an earlier post, there are enough haters with enough money that could dig and find the "truth" if it was really out there. What happened to Trump's efforts to show Obama was born in Kenya? __________________

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

DC - there were plenty of conservatives trying to vet Obama but the mainstream media would have nothing to do with it. NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, LA times, NY Times, Wash Post, NPR - none of them dared taking an honest look at the man.__________________Will I Wynn is a poster who used to go by the name of Dewey. He used to criticize people who did that.

mikec - I was trying to clarify our differences with regards to qualifications, which go far beyond the Constitutional call-outs. I happen to believe there are numerous persons, on both sides of the aisle, who have garnered the necessary qualifications to put themselves and their ideas in front of the American people for further analysis. Those with law degrees, a history of public service, and/or a history of private leadership are examples of persons who have developed a resume, and a history, to put forth for consideration. It goes so much further than whether one likes the person or not.

I think those who say Obama, Clinton, Biden, Pelosi, etc., are in no way qualified to be President should be ignored or exposed. I asked for an example of a Democrat who, in the mind of a Conservative, is qualified, (beyond age, citizen, etc.), in order to substantiate my opinion. I hope anyone who listens to someone state Obama is unqualified, and Hillary is unqualified, will openly ask..."then what Democrat is qualified to run for President?" When they ultimately get no answer, I'm confident they'll dismiss the person's statement as completely biased and without credibility.

OK, I understand where you are, but my answer is the same. Hillary is qualified to run, as are all of the other Democrats who I know of (which, admittedly, is not a huge number).

A few posts back, I outlined some reasons why I don't think Hillary is fit for the job, just as you outlined some reasons you think she is.

I think Reid, Pelosi, and any of the other prominent ones are worse than Hillary (not worse, but more dangerous policy wise). I can't think of one I would trust.

However, as I have also said before, I can't think of a Republican I'd trust yet, either, other than Jeb Bush. I just happen to know Jeb, and think he's a good man, in spite of policy differences I had with him when he was Governor. I don't know, as of yet, what any of the others stand for, or what policies they would put forward.

Originally Posted by Deweymikec - Thanks. I knew you'd see the point. Imagine if I said no Republicans were qualified to be President. I wouldn't expect many to pay much attention to that kind of nonsense, would you?

Way to steer the thread away from the subject. Who said no democrats were qualified to be president? Is that your latest straw man argument, which you have become a master at? Seems like your reading comprehension skills are lacking again barney

I said those "that were not POTUS material John Kerry, John McCain, Harry Reid, Al Gore, barry obama."

Kerry, Gore and Mccain proved the point I was making. obama is proving the point for me. Qualified to run and POTUS material is a huge difference in my book. Bob Dole wasn't POTUS material.

All that happy the clown does is play golf, cries to the media about congress and campaigns 24/7. Not presidential at all on obama's part, but let's get back to the hag. Maybe the search is on in the democratic party for someone that we don't know about. You are the one who brought up Biden and Pelosi, I wish one of those 2 would win the nomination.

"Those with law degrees" don't represent the common people. We used to have doctors, farmers and shopkeepers who we elected as our representatives. The continued election cycles where the lawyers are the one's who can raise the most money and therefore are the winners of election after election is what produced the "washington way". Yeah you are just adding to the downfall of American politics where only the lawyers and the career politicians are those who are elected. Definitely need turnover in the Senate and the House, i.e. term limits. These 30 and 40 year career politicians do none of us any good. Pretty sad that dewey's top 2 qualifications are lawyers and public servants [career politicians]. You can have your career politicians, I want someone who represents Americans. That ain't obama and it sure as hell isn't the career politician, billionaire hillary. Got any ideas?

Don't worry about anyone's credibility dewey. You have been written off as credible by many that you converse with. You can't be believed on any level when it comes to what this country needs. You may know what you need or what the special interest's need but you have no idea what is good for this country. You and your president thought you knew, then he went and blew it for you.__________________"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me"

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