Chimaera wrote:Many years ago there were a couple of Americans in our office. One was pro-gun and the other anti-gun. We'd take them both down to the pub where they would entertain us by going purple in the face and yelling at each other. It was often hilarious. The anti-gun guy was a farmer and he would tell (I have no idea if this is true) that the hunting season meant vast numbers of people with over-powerful weapons and under-powerful brains shooting everything in sight, including a lineman high up on a pylon (thought he was a bear). He claimed he painted "COW" on his animals with a whitewash brush to help out hunters who had trouble identifying deer.

Just trying to lighten the tone a little here.

Sorry, but I am a hunter, and just dont see the humor.

'There are no atheists in foxholes' isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes."-James Morrow

Aww come on this belongs in the jokes forum. I'm only guessing but, unlike a bank guard, parents probably don't need guns to protect their kids on account of the fact that they're not legal tender and nobody's trying to nick them in the first place.

I don't see a well-made argument here just smart ass advertising agency hackery. Manipulating people's fears like that is disturbing as is the desire to always be "in control". These are not healthy emotions. The solution to a bunch of guys in white robes chasing another bunch of guys with black skin is to lock them up, attack racist attitudes in society, promote equal rights etc.

Long term strategic thinking not short term tactical thinking. You can't arm potential victims without also arming their attackers so what is gained? And no the latter will not as a rule be armed. There most certainly are guns around in Glasgow but I'll never see them. This is how a gun-free culture plays out. There are no roving gangs of gun wielding criminals terrorising innocent citizens. If you had a gun and wanted to rove there's certainly not much to stop you but the on the whole people tend not to.

Capellini wrote:If an individual can't be bothered to wait long enough for a background check to get a gun, and can't be bothered to prove they know how to use it safely, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE.

if an individual can't be bothered to wait long enough for a background check to get a gun, and can't be bothered to prove they know how to use it safely, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO STOP THEM FROM GETTING THE GUN ILLEGALLY!

gee, you know what would cut down on illegal gun use? banning illegal guns! twice the illegallity! fun for the whole family.

and LLR, the last propagana picture was probably a little edgy. but the first two were good. not that I know what a dyke is.

daftbeaker wrote:But if I stop bugging you I'll have to go back to arguing with Qwerty about whether beauty is truth and precisely what we both mean by 'purple'

Any statistical increase in the usage of the emoticon since becoming Admin should not be considered significant, meaningful, or otherwise cause for worry.

Qwertyuiopasd wrote:yes, they are. many children are abducted, mainly by pedephiles.

I think you should try to relax a bit. Very few children are abducted. Most of those who are abducted are abducted by an estranged parent. I don't mean you shouldn't be careful. I mean you shouldn't be frightened.

Here in the UK I don't know anyone who has a gun and I don't know anyone who ever had a problem that a gun would have helped with.

I guess it's different in the US. I gather there are lots of problems in the US which are best solved with guns.

In Florida, which first introduced Florida-style "shall-issue" concealed carry laws, crimes committed against residents dropped markedly upon the wide issuance of concealed carry permits. This had the unintended unfortunate side-effect of putting tourists in Florida driving marked rental cars at risk from criminals, since such individuals getting off airplanes invariably were not carrying concealed, unlike large numbers of residents. Issuing concealed carry permits hence put non-resident tourists in more danger.

The counterclaim to this argument against permitting concealed carry was that the solution in Florida to this problem was simply to pass new laws prohibiting the obvious marking of rental cars, such that identification of individuals who would likely not be carrying concealed could not be easily determined by criminals intent on finding easy marks. With this change, protection was extended to visitors by inference, and crime rates continued to fall with the issuance of "shall-issue" concealed weapons permits. /snip/

'There are no atheists in foxholes' isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes."-James Morrow

YEah, the pics are a bit over the top. But they do have a point. A lot of your anti gun sites say stupid things like "if you shoot a burglar, he may get angry and hurt you. But you can use oven cleaner to incapacitate a man...."

Nothin doing. IF you shoot someone from a few feet away, they will not get angry. They will get dead, or at least incapacitated.