According to the English village, the teacher — who reportedly operated online under the nickname Quincy Black (흑퀸시) — was fired Thursday after it was discovered he uploaded the video onto an overseas website in late August. The video has since been deleted, but it and screen captures are reportedly spreading around cyberspace.

The teacher taught elementary school kids English for 20 hours a week starting in May of last year.

An official from the village said the teacher had the E-2 visa needed to teach, and they had no problems with him. They also noted that criminal charges were up to those involved, such as the woman in the video.

According to the Hanguk Ilbo, the teacher will be leave the country tomorrow.

I love how he lists his 직업 in Korean as 의료 / 치과 / 수의 and his 한국어실력 as 잘함, but clearly says in his English description that he teaches English and uses sentences like “내가 뉴욕에서입니다… 나는 한국에서 15 개월 동안왔다.” Apparently our definitions of 잘함 are different.

inkevitch

Actually crash, by his success with the ladies it appears he is not a loser. This comment has nothing to do with my height or lack thereof.

He is certainly a douchebag though, and has single handedly decreased the chances of every black man in Korea getting laid or if they find that special person ever getting on side with her parents.

Money quote-

“Also the person should be comfortable with me being black. Many Korean women do not know about black men, and so are scared. But a smart woman is always ready to learn about other cultures. Are you a smart woman? ”

Um, it appears the smart women were the ones that didn’t have sex with you and get taped. Once again congratulations, in the ajosshi hive mind you have just justified all of their prejudices. It only take one douche bag every couple of years to keep the perception going.

inkevitch

Dear NetizenKim,

Please accept this story as your Christmas present. Please enjoy.

Love
Foreigners

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

Once again congratulations, in the ajosshi hive mind you have just justified all of their prejudices.

I should note in this case, 흑퀸시 apparently justified more than just one stereotype, and not all of them Ajosshi ™’s…

Hamilton

Once again congratulations, in the ajosshi hive mind you have just justified all of their prejudices. It only take one douche bag every couple of years to keep the perception going.

inkevitch I was thinking the same thing. NK and the Anti-English Spectrum creep will be high for weeks. They must be so proud that they don’t have to manufacture an incident.

seouldout

@ inkevitch re #8. Bravo your life.

http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

Less talk, more links! (my interest is purely academic of course)

robert neff

Not having seen the video (obviously – but I do share Hoju-saram’s desire to review it for academic reasons) I am only left with one or two questions: how did the Korean netizens find this video (academic research of their own?) and how did they identify the guy?

cmm

This is purely awesome.

J K

Link deleted by administrator

don’t thank me. lol

will nolens

I should note in this case, 흑퀸시 apparently justified more than just one stereotype, and not all of them Ajosshi ™’s…

Impressive shlong, eh?

SeoulFinn

“… They also noted that criminal charges were up to those involved, such as the woman in the video.”

What’s the crime here? I mean, what has the woman done to deserve legal punishment? Have sex with a foreigner and a black man at that? Defame the school the man was working at? What?

Not having seen the video, the woman may have not even known of being taped. Maybe there was a hidden cam somewhere, And even if she knew about the camera, she probably didn’t know that the tape was going to be sold abroad. I doubt she made any money out of this.

http://jikding.wordpress.com/ 조엘

That’s why the criminal charges are up to her. It’s only a crime if she chooses to report it.

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

Well, what I meant to say is that pressing charges would be up to those involved, including the women in the videos, who are described as victims. I don’t think anyone was suggesting they be charged with anything.

Now, I haven’t seen the videos, of course, but I’ve, ahem, heard it seems (operative word) the girls knew they were being taped, and I’ve, ahem, read that the production value was quite high, something that might lead one to speculate as to why the video was made. Being that it was apparently uploaded unto a free site, I don’t think anyone made any money from it, though. I’m not a lawyer, but I think uploading and distributing material of this sort violates Korean obscenity laws, so whoever uploaded the video might be subject to legal sanction. If the authorities judge that 흑퀸시 and the young ladies — and there were reportedly two videos, with two different ladies — intended to produce a porn video, than all might be subject to punishment, perhaps, like the girls who got busted when they returned to Korea after making porn in Canada. But like I said, I’m not a lawyer, and at any rate, it seems this will end with 흑퀸시 returning to the US.

PS: Please don’t link to the video in my comments. Reportedly, the video names are “The Korean Lesson” and “My Korean Friend,” which I note purely for information purposes. But like I asked, do not link to them in my comments. Thanks.

http://jikding.wordpress.com/ 조엘

Educational indeed.

numberoneoppa

Wow, this really pisses me off.

http://bensmatrix.wordpress.com/ ElCanguro

I give the guy props for his username – both in English and Korean – simple, effective and catchy. I thought the bandana, hand sign and a little bling was a nice touch too. Aside from that, it was a low act if he indeed video-ed and uploaded the tapes onto the net without the girls’ knowledge. I support the girls following the legal path if indeed they were not willing participants in any or all parts of the preceedings and aftermath.

I agree he should have lost his job as a teacher, don’t agree with his expulsion from the country and surrounding media circus. But, that’s Korea and anyone stupid enough to do what he did without knowledge or concern for the consequences should take it as a lesson learned not be to so stupid in the future.

As for the videos, I came across them a week or so ago, ahem .. researching and thought they were meh – the girls were clearly not professional, or just not that into Quincy ..

cm

#22,

Who says he was expelled from the country?

http://bensmatrix.wordpress.com/ ElCanguro

My bad, I thought I heard somewhere he had been. He may as well leave the country – if he can that is – as he’s unemployable in Korea now.

numberoneoppa

I would definitely agree with him being expelled from the country.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

Little bird told me it’s all over bittorrent land.

http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

As for the videos, I came across them a week or so ago, ahem .. researching and thought they were meh – the girls were clearly not professional, or just not that into Quincy ..

I also accidentally stumbled on one of the videos (would you believe I was searching for a Korean lesson on an american lawyer from the 1700s with the same name? Confounded interwebs!)

Anyhoo, I have to disagree with your position that they weren’t into Quincy. And Quincy was certainly into them. By at least 8 inches. Which might explain why they were into him.

Sorry.

http://bensmatrix.wordpress.com/ ElCanguro

#25 – If it turns out that Quincy did indeed tape these girls without their knowledge or consent and post the videos onto the Net, why are you so keen for him to be deported?

Sure, it’s a low thing to do as well as being criminal, and should be punished as such. But, it is something that happens very frequently in Korea with much less rancor and disgust, and doesn’t become headline news. The only difference this time is that it is a black Westerner behind the camera rather than a, usually, masked or otherwise facially concealed Korean man.

Just wondering what punishment you would propose for Korean men found guilty of the exact same act? As this phenomena is not a rare occurence by any means.

http://bensmatrix.wordpress.com/ ElCanguro

hoju-saram, I stand corrected.

As no doubt the girls would have stood somewhat gingerly after their brief dalliance with Quincy.

numberoneoppa

@28: You make it sound like the difference is trivial. Sure, it is atrocious either way, but having some scum who is supposedly there to teach englisb to children being involved? Kick his dirty ass out of the country.

JG29A

Looks like SeoulFinn @17 just misinterpreted “charges be up to X”. It would be a natural error to read this as “charges are coming to X” or some such.

cm

#28, everything gets complicated not just because of his race, but also the fact that he teaches pre-school kids, also makes it into a bigger issue.
How would I feel if I knew a teacher who taught my pre school daughter posting porn videos on the internet? I don’t think I would like it much and I would admit I would want him not to teach my daughter and I would request the school fire him if they hadn’t done so.

cm

As for kicking him out of the country or arresting him? No. A definite no.
And I’m glad that didn’t happen to him.

http://bensmatrix.wordpress.com/ ElCanguro

Definitely a major issue is with this man being employed as an educator of children, and I believe he rightly should be fired from his current position and I wouldn’t have any problems with his E-2 Visa being ‘blacklisted’ so that he cannot to be employed as an English teacher in future.

However, I believe his race and nationality has and will continue to play a significant role in the degree and scope that this event is measured and discussed in the local media and community as a whole. Understandable and obvious to anyone who’s spent more than a transit stop in Korea, but seems to me this case wouldn’t receive half as much publicity if the man and women were all Korean nationals.

Prostitution is on the books as being illegal in South Korea and there have been several cases of Korean teachers being caught in stings, one more notable case here: http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/31/korean-teachers-behaving-badly/ where the high school teacher subsequently resigned after being found hiring the services of a teenage prostitute. There, rightly, was digust, disbelief and consternation following this case but it, like many things, died down fairly quickly. A lot quicker than I believe this case will, or heaven forbid a foregn teacher is ever caught with an underage prostitute.

I have a feeling this case would have caused just as much stir if the individual in question wasn’t an English teacher of children, but nevertheless a foreign national. The US Military has traditionally been the bogeyman until English teachers have largely stolen their thunder. While, Peter Chung was another interesting case as he was actually ethnically Korean (http://gawker.com/208214/douchebag-hall-of-fame-chung-is-king-chung-is-king).

Darth Babaganoosh

Kick his ass out? No way.

If what he did was so criminal, then he can do his time right here in Korean prisons along with the foreigners they started locking up for drug crimes. If the druggies can’t get away with a simple deportation anymore, why should the pron dogs?

numberoneoppa

Darth, if that’s possible, then I’m all for it.

http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

It seems that Quincy’s pain has been forgotten in all this.

Here’s a guy who had a half-decent job and a weekend target market very much appreciative of his, er, unique attributes. Back home he’s going to find the competion much tougher. Sure he made some mistakes (getting caught), but we must understand his unique situation!

(On a side note, I used to play football with a Kenyan fellow. You should have seen the stir he caused when he walked into the bathhouse post-match. The adjoshis, true to their nature, were never subtle in showing their astonishment, or making a variety of comments and inquiries about the member in question – much to our amusement and the embarrassment of our teammate!)

numberoneoppa

You must be joking if you are looming for sympathy for this scumbag.

http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

I’m so serious I’m calling for a candlelight vigil.

numberoneoppa

Pvrhye

People seem to be getting outraged about the wrong part of this story. The issue here is throwing the video into public (if that wasn’t what the women knew was going to happen). I fail to see how this relates to his day job beyond the fact that it’s been thrown into the public at the expense of public opinion toward the school. I don’t expect every educator to be a celibate granola-munching weirdo.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

I like how the video asked viewers to leave “comments.” Classy!

I think he deserves to lose his job teaching kids. Of course leaving the country would be the next step. What else can he do to make an income with the video out in wide circulation. He’s radioactive in Korea.

I wonder what’s to become of the girl? I don’t think she’s a professional porn star. Her face is everywhere too and it’s harder for her to just pick up and leave the country.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

Radioactive as in no school/hagwon will touch him.

Hamilton

Gentlemen and Ladies, this isn’t Dayton, this is Sparta…er…Korea.

The ladies will be prosecuted IF they knew they were being filmed. If memory serves correct a Korean Lady defamed the nation after one of her Mobumhaksaengs found her Canadian part time job on the net. She was Korean, she did it in Canada and yes she was an English Teacher. What a great parallel. I believe she was both heavily fined, fired, and had to do community service.

That brings us to Mr. Quincy. He violated the rights of his “friends” which is a crime if they didn’t know he was filming. Regardless he made porn in Korea for sale overseas which is illegal unless it is only topless with really bad above the waist sex scenes or so I’ve been told by IHBBs. There might even be a tax evasion angle since I assume he got paid for it.

No, this guy isn’t just a cad, he had commited crimes and when you do that in another country you sometimes get deported. In this case even in the US he would be fired under a moral turpitude clause of his contract. Since he is here on a teaching visa he really wouldn’t have a valid reason to stay would he?

Race, nationality, and member size are all interesting but not germane to the treatment he will/should receive.

Benjamin Wagner

Even if the women involved consented to the videotaping and distribution, and even if Korea decides no obscenity laws were violated (doubtful), of course his position can be terminated on grounds of conduct unbecoming a teacher, moral turpitude, etc. The same holds true back in the states where he comes from. There are a slew of US cases where teachers were legitimately dismissed for immoral (and not necessarily criminal) conduct.

For instance, Pettitt v. State Board of Education involving an elementary school teacher who was in a “swingers club” with her husband performing sex acts in her free time and then went on TV talking about “the swingers’ lifestyle”. The court said the fact that she “lacked that minimum degree of discretion and regard for propriety expected of a public school teacher is disclosed by her television appearances, giving notoriety to her unorthodox views regarding sexual morals.”

The US Supreme court has said that “A teacher serves as a role model for his students, exerting a subtle but important influence over their
perceptions and values . . . through both the presentation of course materials and the example he sets . . .” Ambach v. Norwick

The Supreme Court of Korea took the same approach when it denied a Korean middle school art teacher a freedom of expression defense where he had uploaded nude pictures and videos of himself and his wife (including shots of his “erect penis”) which his students later accessed. (미술교사 누드작품 음란물 인정 대법원 판결 (대법원 제3부 2005.7.22 선고 2003도2911 전기통신기본법 위반)).

Even assuming “Quincy” had the women’s consent to videotape and distribute, I can’t see any legal obstacle to dismissing him as teacher of children.

Zilchy

I’m interested in ho…. I mean how the girl(S) parents reacted to the situation. The parents have to know about this. I would imagine daddy(S) hit the roof multiple times.

#13 robert neff – “I am only left with one or two questions: how did the Korean netizens find this video (academic research of their own?) and how did they identify the guy?”

This is a very good point. I also personally know of a hagwon director who took legal action against a former NET for defamation via the internet. Even if the NET stated the directors name in his anger, where’s the proof?

How are they isolating the perps.? I have a wild unfounded theory that if a foriegner has an internet connection in their dwelling, somehow that person is being monitored. I’m not tech saavy, so is this even possible?

If Quincy uploaded the video in a PC Bang, would he have been nailed?

WeikuBoy

I always assumed my internet use in Korea was being monitored. Of course, I’m from the U.S., so I’m used to that sort of thing.

cmm

Don’t waste your time with “My Korean Friend.” Both versions (slightly different at the end) are boring. “The Korean Lesson” is much better and with a more talented and giving girl.

And I’m afraid I have to dock Quincy some style points for leaving his socks on.

cm

This what it says in the news. It says the spokesman for the English Village fired the guy at the end of August, and asked him to leave the country by the 10th. Can the English Village asking him to leave the country be considered being “expelled”? Do they even have the right to expel anyone when they are not immigration?

cm: An E-2 visa holder, upon expiry or cancelation of that visa, no longer has the right to stay in Korea. That means he must leave, unless he gets another job or returns on a tourist visa. The legal questions begin there – could/would he be denied a new visa on the basis of his actions?

Of course the school doesn’t have the right to expel him per se, but it has the obligation to inform him that since his work contract is now void, so is his visa, so unless he wants to be in trouble for overstaying, he should leave.

chrisinsouthkorea

@Robert: “Being that it was apparently uploaded unto a free site, I don’t think anyone made any money from it, though.”

Actually, Youtube and other websites can offer quite a bit of money (ads, PPC, PPM, etc.) without much effort.

@Pvrhye: “I fail to see how this relates to his day job beyond the fact that it’s been thrown into the public at the expense of public opinion toward the school. I don’t expect every educator to be a celibate granola-munching weirdo.”

This. What I do during my free time and my NON-working hours – so long as it’s not illegal and not going to bring a negative reputation on the employer – is none of my employer’s business.

This, of course, is the country where prostitution happens in most side streets around Gangnam, Jongno, Itaewon… That the guy decided to be a little too ‘out there’ brings the hammer to the nail. (Even if that nail is 8 inches long.)

αβγδε

Should “Quincy” have lost his job? Sure thing. He teaches kids, he films porn. Any questions?

Do I care that he banged a Korean girl and filmed it? HELL NO. Whoopdy-doo, two adults are having consesual sex. Oh my! Call the whambulance. Give me a break. Which reptilian part of one’s pea-sized brain is such news affecting in little folk like Oppa up there?

People need to grow up.

george m

There’s a female teacher who just qualified for tenure in NYC, who revealed her former occupation as a call girl of some sort. Maybe these two can hook up? I always thought of teachers as stuffy boring people. Guess I was wrong.

cm

“This, of course, is the country where prostitution happens in most side streets around Gangnam, Jongno, Itaewon…”

And it’s matter of not going public with it. What goes on in your closet is your business, but you better damn make sure you don’t get caught. I assure you, anyone would have been fired from teaching pre-schools if he was caught on video having sex with prostitutes.

So why upload something like on to public sites? Out of stupidity or out of dare?

Pvrhye

The positive spin on this is that the parents can be reasonably sure he isn’t a pederast.

inkevitch

Having been informed it is not hidden cam/ without the girls knowledge. I feel the tone of my previous post was too harsh. Now this is just more funny than anything else as it effects me not at all.

So without further ado;

I hear he is making a third in the triology, “Black brother one cell” the tale of one english teacher come porn star who is sent to the harsh Korean prison system for something commonplace in his own country and is “punished” by the all female prison guards. Rumours the screenplay is being written by Cullen Thomas have yet to be confirmed.

inkevitch

Greek Alphabet,

My issue, disclaimer I am not black so this affects me not at all, is that he will be enforcing negative stereotypes about black americans and black people in general in the korean psyche. I don’t have so much of a problem with the perceived Korean racism, but when talking about black people with Koreans it makes me cringe. That and it was a poorly thought out move by Mr Quincey.

inkevitch

Ok, before I sleep. I feel I need to kick the hornets nest once more.

So would this even raise a blink of annoyance in Japan? I have been told by people that I know who may have watched Japanese porn that there is a subgenre of simulated mass black gang bang on one or sometimes more non-consenting petite japanese girls. So that must surely be worse than this. So is this a problem of Koreas strict pornography laws? I say this because I am pretty sure it is not stopping Koreans watching hardcore adult entertainment. Are the arachaic laws just in place to protect Koreas image of being virtuous and wholesome. Does Korea need its Larry Flint? Could Quincey Black be this man to liberate Korean teenage boys?

Another thing, if he made videos in US before he was a teacher and they were found by a student googling his name. Would you consider that grounds for firing him? ie the teachers that made the canadian films.

cm

” Would you consider that grounds for firing him? ”

I would say yes, he would be fired. It has happened before with a Korean woman who took snap shots in Canada, and someone found out and reported her.

People who are in positions of authority like teachers, media, entertainers, politicians… they have to watch their back so that they don’t make their private sexual lives made public on TV or worse, on Internet. I know what’s your thinking, that he’s getting sacked because he’s a foreigner and a black guy foreigner at that, having sex with a Korean woman. There maybe some groups of people like the AES who will milk this no doubt. But what happened to him (getting sacked), would have happened to any Korean in his position where you are expected to lead by example in society. Just because prostitution and porn are rampant in Korean society, it does not mean they are accepted into mainstream, and that there is still no stigma attached to them.

PeterDownUnder

I have succesfully torrent downloaded this video and watched it myself. Review, like anyother amatuer porn with bit of editing from multiple cameras at multiple angles including hand held POV lol. Most importantly, possibly the first black on korean interacial porn with KPOP background music LOL. It was very different? to watch a black guy pump a (in a korean view) ‘4/10′ girl with Taeyang from BigBang’s “I need a girl” playing from his stereo.

I have nothing against this happening in Korea and i believe all the fuss and hype this is getting is because of typical Korean xenophobia plus what ever the word for “we’re not like that, only others do such things like that”

Koreans think there are no Korean sluts, but like in any country, be it in the States, Australia, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Korea ,China. Sluts are everywhere! LOL

Just because one slut fucked a black guy on cam, lol shame on her, kudos to the black man that got laid in a foreign country, i dare say the odds would have been stacked against him from hooking up in Korea being a black man.

Also being a Korean guy myself, kyopo or not, I think the outrage stems from EVERYbodys perception that “once you go black you never go back”. Cause not to be crude, i’ve always thought and still do, if a girl can take something that big lol she wouldn’t be satisfied with ‘ours’ anymore lol.

That’s why i’m sure every asian guy looks at asian girls that have been with non asians as having been ‘ruined’ for them lol.

If asian guys as minorities view these interacial happenings with discontent, this outrage happening IN korea is very forseeable and understandable.

Even white guys would be wary of girls that have been with black guys before them.

Plus typical Korean outrage due to “we’re not like that mentally” plus “i can do it but they can’t”. Theres a modern korean saying like “if i do it its love, but if they do it its adultery”. Similar case, koreans are so disgusted at the antics of others and are so easy to point fingers when they do it themselves. Hypocrytical yes, don’t know where this cultural thing comes from. Its ok if i do it, but if someone does it its disgusting. Lol if jesus was born in korea, he woulda been stoned without hesitation.

Rant over~

Charles Tilly

Has anyone ever considered porn shot in zero gravity, in 3D format a la Avatar?

Just imagine the jiggling flesh and money shots in a movie like that.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

CT,

That would suck. Gravity helps accelerate momentum. It’s like trying to throw a punch with ice skates on. If nothing is tethering you to spot you can’t apply proper force to where you want to direct it.

PDU,

I don’t think it was possible to go through as many stereotypes in one single comment like that.

Charles Tilly

That would suck. Gravity helps accelerate momentum. It’s like trying to throw a punch with ice skates on. If nothing is tethering you to spot you can’t apply proper force to where you want to direct it.

I don’t know if the “that would suck” was intended as a pun or not but I think I see your point. But just reading through your short comment, I believe your thinking it would “suck” is totally a function of how you conceive an awesome skin scene. Just consider your choice of words accelerate, momentum, apply proper force….I’d say your idea of a good skin scene is of the “smash mouth” variety (whether I committed a pun or not I leave you to decide).

No, what I had in mind was something akin to the scenes in 2001: A Space Odyssey: Graceful, gossamer, and wafting….all the while still ever so carnal.

I’m speculating that in between your trite defenses of neo-liberal/Washington Consensus orthodoxies your only relation to porn is the quick, fast and dirty rub out (sort of like the essence of neo-liberalism, but I digress). I beseech you to try and consider how this genre can be pushed to new technological and-hopefully-aesthetic frontiers. Or is there no “utility” in that?

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

Ah… ic. You are thinking in terms of looking at it, where I’m thinking of something else.

Aesthetics. Got it.

numberoneoppa

PDU wrote: “I have nothing against this happening in Korea.”

Why the hell not? You say you’re Korean? I find that hard to swallow.

Sure the girl’s obviously a bit of a slut, and yeah, shame on her, I’m not saying she’s really a victim here. I am, however, saying that I do not like Korea being treated like a sex playground for pieces of shit like Quincy.

It’s not for him.

Now by all means, you may call me a bigot or any other similar term and you would probably correct, but I just don’t see how a Korean could sit back and not care that shit like this is happening.

Oh, and I’d like to touch on the subject of the horribly distorted view Koreans (and I’d like to think Asians in general) have about American “Urban” society. Unless I’m wrong, and I’m not, they see it as fun, games, and flashy clothes. They have no idea that being seen as an urbanite isn’t a good thing. I’m really sick of seeing pop idols dressing and acting like some flippant piece of ghetto trash on stage. The streets of Seoul are so tough, I know.

If you’ve been to Club Harlem in 강남 on a busy night, you know what I’m talking about.

Now what happens when stuff like this is popular? The people who are following the trend will become increasingly interested in the forerunners of the trend. In this case, no use beating around the bush, it’s black people. They’re now seen as cool because they resemble (in visage and style) Lil Wayne, Ludacris, and whatever rappers have made an image in the ROK by now; they must be cool, therefore. Yeah, probably makes it easier for them to get girls now.

Hah, and don’t get me started on the Nigerians and other Africans that are totally taking advantage of this phenomenon, even going as far as to pretend to be African-*Americans* for the sake of picking up women (afaik this is more prevalent in Japan than in Korea, though).

/rant

(ps: Club Harlem sucks.)

cmm

Perhaps the most perfect topic ever for the MH.
It features interracial dating, a poorly behaved American, a poorly behaved NET, a netizen witch-hunt, penis size discrepancy commentary, and T&A vids to boot.

Hey NetKim, we are all still waiting for you to grace us with an explanation of how this all justifies your two-bit racist theories.

http://www.eslwriting.org rockon

The norms of Korean society dictate that one’s nasty business be kept behind the green door, as it were. Those who dare to expose their secrets in public should expect a backlash. That is the boiled down version social harmony in Korea.

A Korean girl wants to get jiggy with a home boy. So what? Just don’t digitize it, splash it on the net; you’re only compelling people to take a position of outrage and disgust.

That’s source of the outrage, IMHO.

numberoneoppa

From a “netizen” standpoint, what we don’t know can’t make us angry!

Where did the term “netizen” come from? I’ve always been curious. Never really liked the term. Same with “konglish”, it makes me think of the rubber things you put dog treats in to torture your pooch. Yuck.

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

Ordinarily, I have no problem with filming their activities and posting the footage online, I think most societies would look askance at a man employed to teach young children doing it. And yes, in Korea, producing and distributing your own porn will get you in trouble, Korean or foreigner. Posting it online for the girls friends and family to see, too, was probably not the nicest thing to do, either, unless the girls knew what he was planning to do when he filmed them.

Anyway, he has done nothing to dispel the stereotype that English teachers treat Korea like their own personal harem. I’d also hasten to add he may have inflated local expectations to an unrealistic level, unless you’re Ron Jeremy.

http://bensmatrix.wordpress.com/ ElCanguro

What I always find interesting is how these issues always boil down to Korean men disliking sexual unions between Korean women and foreign men. Sure, there’s more to this issue, and I’ve stated that I agree with Quincy’s expulsion on the grounds that he is a teacher of young children and it’s not appropriate at all for him to be broadcasting his sexual conquests online for the world to see.

However, as numberoneoppa has stated himself he essentially dislikes foreign men – Korean women unions, foreign men treating Korea like a ‘sexual playground’ and believes that alone is grounds for the guy to be expelled and the girl to be labelled a slut (and most probably a whore and a traitor for good measure).

Folks like numberoneoppa have to realise the world has moved on, we’re living in a global age. These tribal hang-ups have no valid place in the 21st century anymore. Numberoneoppa himself is benefiting from this global age by getting an education in the States. Somehow I can’t see him angrily riled and frothing at the mouth if he himself landed a buxom blonde to play around with.

milton

Well, it could have been a lot worse; he could have been caught doing said acts with his students…

By the way, what are the obscenity laws in Korea? A few weeks ago, on basic cable, I was watching (for research purposes only;-) ) a Korean-made rape porn set on the AREX train (somewhow they had gotten a whole car to themselves). If they can film porn on government property and screen it on regular TV, the laws can’t be all that strict.

I do believe he should have been fired from his job. I definitely would have fired his ass. As a teacher of children, it’s inappropriate to be filming and uploading porn to the Internet.

Hey NetKim, we are all still waiting for you to grace us with an explanation of how this all justifies your two-bit racist theories.

It’s quite simple. Start with social Darwinism and a few long-discredited ideas from Mein Kampf, add in something about white neo-colonialism and the White Man ordering his minions to oppress and emasculate Korean-American males by poaching their women, throw in a dash of paranoid conspiracy mongering, deny autonomy and agency to Korean females so they become mindless automatons who dance to the White Man’s tune, mix in an unhealthy dose of ethnic pride, and finally allow your creation to fester for a few years in an online echo-chamber with like-minded would-be neo-Nazis, and you too can use bigotry and racism to justify your personal failings and lack of achievement.

dww

“Anyway, he has done nothing to dispel the stereotype that English teachers treat Korea like their own personal harem.”

But does he have any obligation to dispel that stereotype? The burden of responsibility to avoid stereotyping shouldn’t be on him. If someone wants to generalize that sample to a larger population and be foolish about it, then an up-and-cumming* Lex Steele probably isn’t going to be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. Those stereotypes probably existed for a long time for those kinds of people anyway.

*Sorry, had to.

cmm

Milton, I like the general formula, but does white neo-colonialism really apply to 흑퀸시? Any idea how to work the blackman into the equation?

Suddenly I’m reminded of a post NK made a few years ago explaining that the relatively large size of blacks is simply an old myth perpetrated by white men to scare white women from sleeping with blacks.

WeikuBoy

“Well, it could have been a lot worse; he could have been caught doing said acts with his students…”

No, no, no. No. Don’t say that. That’s exactly what AES and his ilk say and what they want people to believe. Yet I’ve never heard of even one case of a Western English teacher assaulting his or her student or other underage Korean, sexually or otherwise. Not during my time in Korea; not before my time; and not since I’ve left. What Kwin-shee did (as reported here)was shitty, but only because a gentleman never kisses and tells, and not because it didn’t involve two consenting adults.

milton

Milton, I like the general formula, but does white neo-colonialism really apply to 흑퀸시? Any idea how to work the blackman into the equation?

Ha, well, it’s hard to make sense of such a muddled mind, but I’ve never known NaziKim to allow reality to interfere with his “theories.” My guess: the blackman is really just an unwitting pawn of The White Man, brainwashed by the White Media (probably add something about Jewish financiers, Area 51, and Reptillian space aliens here as well).

WeikuBoy, I completely agree. While there have been a few known pedos out here, none have “shat in their own nests,” as it were.

http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

I like the general formula, but does white neo-colonialism really apply to 흑퀸시?

It works the same way that old-fashioned colonialism proper worked in the hands of the Japanese once they made a claim for imperialist status and were admitted to the imperialist club, e.g., by Tough Teddy R., as bona fide although “junior” members because of their less than sterling racial profile.

http://forum.koreansentry.com Koreansentry

KoreanCupid website seems ripoff site asking monthly membership, probably contains full of dodgy profiles of Korean girls. Btw, this esl loser probably did this to piss off Korean men, nothing to be worry about and he doesn’t deserve this kind of attention from Koreans. Besides he was banging some whore, who gives a shit. Most Korean gals who going out and bangs esl and foreigners are mostly from poorer and prostitution backgrounds. Any Korean gals from descent family and with career don’t normally bangs blacks. Good luck to him, hope he doesn’t catch some nasty SYPHILIS, GONORRHEA or even AIDS.

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

But does he have any obligation to dispel that stereotype? The burden of responsibility to avoid stereotyping shouldn’t be on him. If someone wants to generalize that sample to a larger population and be foolish about it, then an up-and-cumming* Lex Steele probably isn’t going to be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. Those stereotypes probably existed for a long time for those kinds of people anyway.

I don’t think he has an obligation, per se. Just noted that his actions didn’t help matters.

Folks like numberoneoppa have to realise the world has moved on, we’re living in a global age. These tribal hang-ups have no valid place in the 21st century anymore.

Well, yes, perhaps. At the same time, nobody likes foreigners treating their country like a sexual playground. I’m sure this is a point we’d all understand if we were talking about, say, Korean businessmen in Southeast Asia rather than English teachers in Korea.*

I might also suggest that these “tribal hang-ups” work both ways. Our up-and-cumming Lex Steele (see comment #73)’s work isn’t exactly color-blind: it’s “Let’s watch a black guy fuck some Korean girls.” Seems like a lot of race and Orientalism involved. Not criticizing that, mind you, just pointing it out.

* No, I’m not suggesting most English teachers in Korea treat Korea like a sexual playground.

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

And then there’s Koreansentry…

cmm

Most Korean gals who going out and bangs esl and foreigners are mostly from poorer and prostitution backgrounds.

Wow. Koreansentry, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, do you. You are out of your league.

I’m tempted to tell you some fun anecdotes about my years on the peninsula that might not support your misinformed theories, but I’ll try to refrain to prevent from sending you into a NetKim fit.

Arghaeri

Where did the term “netizen” come from? I’ve always been curious.

Seriously!!

You can’t work it out….

Seriously!!

milton

Btw, this esl loser probably did this to piss off Korean men,

I don’t know about you, but I love spite-against-a-whole-ethnic-group sex.

Whenever I see an attractive Korean woman, the first thing that pops into my mind is “revenge.” Revenge against my numerous Gyopo friends back in the States for being so damn friendly and nice to me. Revenge against the countless Koreans who have treated me with the utmost respect and dignity. I just hate them for treating me like a fellow human being and for not rushing to judge me as a “loser ESL teacher” or “dirty Yankee solider.” I can’t believe I’ve been in-country for five years, and have yet to be the victim of a single racist attack. I mean, geez, what gives! All this hospitality, tolerance, and friendliness has left me with a heart that seethes to no end with hatred. It seems that the only way I can release all this pent-up hatred in the bedroom with a Korean woman.

http://erikorea.blogspot.com ecorn

@Koreansentry

Besides he was banging some whore, who gives a shit. Most Korean gals who going out and bangs esl and foreigners are mostly from poorer and prostitution backgrounds. Any Korean gals from descent family and with career don’t normally bangs blacks.

You have such a talent for proving foreign men to defend the honor of “your women.”

cmm

I doubt KS gets sarcasm or full-on English with complex sentences. He’s too busy with his victim complex.

http://populargusts.blogspot.com/ bulgasari

Only 11 comments at AES (first result). According to Mr. Lee, ATEK needs to purify its ranks.

http://populargusts.blogspot.com/ bulgasari

Oh, and as for this:

Yet I’ve never heard of even one case of a Western English teacher assaulting his or her student or other underage Korean, sexually or otherwise.

Hate to burst your bubble, but there have been several who have been reported as being arrested. One foreign English teacher was mentioned in the media who as being convicted of attempted rape (in 2002 or earlier), and another teacher was convicted this year. Four more were arrested for molestation (5 if you include the guy in Daegu who fled earlier this year), but one of these had the charges dropped (the Canadian arrested in January 2009), and one other teacher (not included above) was mentioned as having been fired for molesting a male student. Oh, and the Australian who ‘threatened his ex with AIDS’ was accused of molesting students, though this was described as ‘reading female high school students’ palms.’ In only three cases do we really know the outcome of the investigations. I covered this in depth here (1/3 of the way down), though it doesn’t include the two cases from this year.

theotherkorean

Besides he was banging some whore, who gives a shit. Most Korean gals who going out and bangs esl and foreigners are mostly from poorer and prostitution backgrounds. Any Korean gals from descent family and with career don’t normally bangs blacks. Good luck to him, hope he doesn’t catch some nasty SYPHILIS, GONORRHEA or even AIDS.

I wouldn’t call those girls “whores”. It seems that one of the girls involved is a grad student in a university in Daejon. Hardly someone who is from a “poor and prostitution background.”

On the other hand, I haven’t watched the video, but from some of the stills that are floating around the Internet, it seems that the girls aren’t exactly the types that Korean guys will dig. I may be wrong, but if the the above is the case, then it would explain why they decided to get a taste of Quincy’s sausage. In other words, while the girls were feeling left out, out of the blue comes this manly African-American guy who showered the girls with all the sweet talk and attention, to the point that things got very friendly and the girls were willing to spread it wide for the Quincy.

Of course thanks to this latest “Stupid Foreigner Trick”, the girls got more than they bargained for.

Benjamin Wagner

@hamel

That means he must leave, unless he gets another job or returns on a tourist visa. The legal questions begin there – could/would he be denied a new visa on the basis of his actions?

Even without a legal violation (which seems possible in principle at least under obscenity laws) I’d guess there’s an argument that he could be denied entry (on whatever particular visa) under the Immigration Act, Article 11 (Prohibition of Entry), section 1, para. 4:

“The Minister of Justice may prohibit the entry of a foreigner . . . deemed likely to commit any act detrimental to economic or social order or good morals“.

A foreigner who previously uploaded two porn films to the world wide web from Korea, which were shot in Korea and involved Korean citizens, may well be “deemed likely to commit [an] act detrimental to . . . good morals” and denied entry under the Act.

Zilchy

I have read at least three examples of people who have viewed the videos at stated that the girls knew they were being filmed, IE the POV shots. I’m not advocating what the man did, but the naiveity of the girls and a fair portion of fault has to be placed on the girls.

hamel

@ cmm:

Milton, I like the general formula, but does white neo-colonialism really apply to 흑퀸시? Any idea how to work the blackman into the equation?

If you’re interested in hearing the school explain why they fired him, then the latest article is worth looking at. There are extensive quotes from the employer. The original Newis article doesn’t have the same info.

inkevitch

Classic KoreanSentry. Marmot, did you pay this man to commit this act. It really does seem to be made for your blog. If this fizzes before 300 comments I will be sorely dissapointed.

Zilchy

Arghaeri – “Why? How do you think some poor girls get through Uni?”

Good point and let’s hope they offer a wide variety of logic courses in these universities. Let’s face it, the girls knew they were on camera. South Korea is the self proclaimed “most wired country in the world”. Koreans are walking around with electronics in their faces 24/7.

Logic might dictate that there’s a good chance that this footage just MIGHT be passed around various digital media. Why did the girls think he was filming the events? Personal archives, send some bragging rights back home to the boys or what actually happened?

How many women who visit this site would tape themselves in this manner? Especially with someone you barely know.

I hate to say this, but the women are 90% at fault for this whole escapade. They were willing participants and did not consider any possible consequences. Dumb!

WeikuBoy

@Bulgasari #87: Thanks for setting the record straight.

@Milton #72: I guess it COULD have been a lot worse.

milton

I hate to say this, but the women are 90% at fault for this whole escapade.

To be “at fault” means to be responsible for causing a wrongful act. I don’t think the girls can be “at fault” here because they really did nothing wrong legally, morally, or ethically, because a legal adult consenting to be in pornography is not wrong by any of the three definitions of wrongness. I would say, perhaps, they lacked good judgment, common sense, or were naive, but they’re not really “at fault.”

As for the Quincy, he is responsible for unethical behavior, and therefore he is 100% at fault. What you do on your own time is your business, but when your private activities cross over into the public domain, then you’re fair game. I believe it is ethically wrong for a teacher of children to be publishing pornography, and a school has the right to disassociate themselves from that sort of behavior.

Here’s a story from last year about a teacher from Florida who got canned because she posted pictures of herself in a bikini. She now works in the porn industry.

How serious is the job of an English teacher viewed by the Korean public and the teachers themselves in general? That is the real question. Is there much difference or should there between the people gigging for a year or two teaching adults in hagwon and those who are in charge of school children?
If the moral code applies to the teachers as Koreans should *hope* to apply (I put in stars because it’s not always the case) to the Korean teachers then there is no excuse for his conduct and the vetting program should really filter those in Korea “looking for a good time” on and off the camera from teaching school children. I remember this Kiwi teacher who got into trouble for much less, so it really depends on the perceived integrity of the job as an English teacher in Korean schools. This case will not help.

yuna

should there be

yuna

I wrote my comment before I read Milton’s. Now it sounds like I just repeated his points!

Zilchy

#99 Milton,

I understand the definition of fault from the technical definition you provided. Looking at this situation wholistically, If the girls, who knew they were being taped, did not agree to be taped but countinued with their actions, then “What you do on your own time is your business, but when your private activities cross over into the public domain, then you’re fair game.” would not have happened.

I agree, Quincy’s move was bone-headed at best, but the bone-headedness began long before the video ever hit the Internet.

This was my point. The girls had just as much control from the start. Actually, one could argue they had more control in being female. They chose to partake in these events. Now, if they were taped unaware, then it’s a whole different ballgame, but they weren’t.

robert neff

Maybe I am just old (true) and somewhat conservative but I fully agree with Milton and Yuna. I also think a teacher should have a certain amount of common sense and obviously something Quincy is lacking.

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

I have read at least three examples of people who have viewed the videos at stated that the girls knew they were being filmed, IE the POV shots.

To be fair to the girls in question, it seemed most of the POV handycam shots were, ahem, taken from a vantage point in which the girls might not have seen the camera. Or so I was told.

To be “at fault” means to be responsible for causing a wrongful act. I don’t think the girls can be “at fault” here because they really did nothing wrong legally, morally, or ethically, because a legal adult consenting to be in pornography is not wrong by any of the three definitions of wrongness.

I’m pretty certain that’s not true, at least legally. If they consented to do porn, they can be charged with violating obscenity laws. See here:

This would apply only if the girls intended to make porn for distribution, I’m guessing. I have no idea whether they did or not.

Benjamin Wagner

@100

How serious is the job of an English teacher viewed by the Korean public and the teachers themselves in general?

If Korean language newspapers articles are accepted as evidence of the public’s views, then very seriously indeed. In 2009, there were approximately 350 articles expressing concern over actual or potential immoral and/or illegal behavior by foreign English teachers — compare that to about 60 such articles in 2004.

Zilchy

#100 Yuna,

I personally believe Milton is 100% correct as I’m sure other do to.

Milton:
“What you do on your own time is your business, but when your private activities cross over into the public domain, then you’re fair game. I believe it is ethically wrong for a teacher of children to be publishing pornography, and a school has the right to disassociate themselves from that sort of behavior.”

Yuna,
How can one create a good or perfect vetting program to filter out “good time” teachers. I see this as an impossibility. Where do you draw the line and define “good times”.

Quincy should have been “disassociated” for publishing the videos. If the girls said no to the video taping then nobody would have known about the events and this thread would not exist.

I see the girls as having more power in this situation. You have a BLACK foriegner in Korea. I hate to say it, but most of you were already thinking it. These girls could have fabricated any story and had Quincy drowning in hot water, lickety split. Whether they knew or thought about this idea is unknown.

Zilchy

#106 Mr. Wagner

Which is why I have a interest in this latest episode. These events affect those of us who “teach” in this country.

yuna

By the same token, why should the Duke student apologize and feel bad to her sex partners about writing that bad presentation? The jocks *should* have known that a frat girl that full-on would be up to no good, no?

Zilchy

Mr. Koehler,

I have not seen the footage and could really care less. From what others who have seen the footage say, it seems that in one or both of the clips, the vantage point changes from distant to POV. If this is the case, then the camera had to have been moved during said episode. It was also stated that it looked like a tripod was used. How does one hide a camera sitting on a tripod?

Zilchy

#109 Yuna,

Sorry, I do not understand your reference, if it was directed at me.

Arghaeri

Disguise it as a…hmmm never mind

Zilchy

#112 Arghaeri

Disguise it as a tripod with a camera mounted on top, red light flashing indicating “it’s time to boogie”.

Zilchy

#109 Yuna,

If you were insinuating that my comment towards Quincy being black was the reason for his dirty deed, please read that post again. I was refering to the non-existant racism in this one of a kind, skin-toned tolerant country.

http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

I have not seen the footage and could really care less. From what others who have seen the footage say, it seems that in one or both of the clips, the vantage point changes from distant to POV. If this is the case, then the camera had to have been moved during said episode. It was also stated that it looked like a tripod was used. How does one hide a camera sitting on a tripod?

For the first time in history, someone’s interest in a porno is really just academic.

cm

It seems to me there are a lot of people here who are studying porn for academic reasons.

milton

Robert,

Is it really illegal to make porn here? I thought it was legal as long as certain “bits” were not shown (tons of Korean-made late-night softcore porn is shown on my non-pay-per-view cable channels). Or is it one of those laws that’s on the books but selectively enforced? I noticed that the reports don’t mention anything about the any charges being filed.

cm

Hey look mom….My teacher is a porn star!

cm

Milton, pornography is legal in Korea, as long as the porn meets certain standards that prohibits showing of sexual organs.

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

Is it really illegal to make porn here? I thought it was legal as long as certain “bits” were not shown (tons of Korean-made late-night softcore porn is shown on my non-pay-per-view cable channels). Or is it one of those laws that’s on the books but selectively enforced? I noticed that the reports don’t mention anything about the any charges being filed.

And no, no charges have been filed in this case, as far as I know. I’m pretty certain that the police could book at least 흑퀸시 if they wanted. It seems to me the police are pretty content to let things end when 흑퀸시 leaves the country, though, so if none of the girls in the videos press charges against him, I don’t see anything happening.

inkevitch

Zilchy,

Wow, before you pointed it out I was totally oblivious. Quincy is the victim here. Two different girls totally videotaped him having sex with them and uploaded it to the same website. How could I have not seen it?

I personally feel a public stoning would be the correct punishment for their duplicity. Surely you agree with that?

yuna

I’ve answered the question many times now. Reduce the number of English teacher jobs drastically, treat them that much better (by pay or otherwise) to make it into a sought-after position, and you have a larger applicant pool to choose from. Although one cannot always accurately presume a person’s true motive and his/her No.1 attraction to the job, I am sure we can vet a lot simply if there are others to choose over. I think I’m correct in assuming that there is virtually no competition for these jobs still, i.e. you apply and you get – but I might be wrong.

http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

Quincy is the victim here. Two different girls totally videotaped him having sex with them and uploaded it to the same website. How could I have not seen it?

I think you’re onto something there Inkevitch!

milton

cm and Robert,

Much obliged. I guess what Quincy and Co. were doing was illegal afterall since his work wasn’t approved by the MCST. He also probably violated the terms of his E2 visa.

Now about that MCST inspector position…anyone know how to land one?

8675309

The video would’ve been a lot more classy with the right soundtrack mix, e.g, “Black Boys” from the 60’s hit musical (and 70’s movie) Hair:

Black boys are delicious
Chocolate flavored love
Licorice lips like candy
Keep my cocoa handy
I have such a sweet tooth
When it comes to love

Once I tried a diet
Of quiet, rest, no sweets
But I went nearly crazy
And I went clearly crazy
Because I really craved for
My chocolate flavored treats

Black boys are nutritious
Black boys fill me up
Black boys are so damn yummy
They satisfy my tummy
I have such a sweet tooth
When it comes to love
Black black black black
black black black black
Black boys

will nolens

i dunno, for the girl’s sake i wish it had been Mariah Carey’s tune:

“if there’s a camel up a hill then it’s Gong Li with me when I do!”

Granfalloon

Things I would love to see happen:
1. AES makes a racist, xenophobic cartoon out of this incident.
2. Korean lawmakers, citing that “a good many” foreigners are uploading amateur porn to the internet, now mandate that E-2 visa applicants must prove they are not pornographers before they are allowed to teach.
3. Quincy Black re-enters Korea on an E-7 visa to start a prolific career in porn.

inkevitch

Hey Hoju,

Did you move back to the GC (or cooloongatta or where ever in NSW that is actually part of QLD based on my 1892 maps of “the great southern land”) or did you have to go to a bigger city when you went back to Dae Han Hoju?

inkevitch

Granfallon,
1. I hope AES contacts the cartoonist for Korea times and commisions him to do a limited series for themselves and KT.
2. this a reasonable suggestion, however it is more than likely going to exclude more foreign females (or a greater proportion of them) than males. And they may even be good looking. this is not in the nation’s interest.
3. Yes, and as previously mentioned hopefully Thomas Cullen will be doing the screen play for “Black brother one cell”

cmm

I think I’m correct in assuming that there is virtually no competition for these jobs still, i.e. you apply and you get – but I might be wrong.

From many different blogs that I’ve been reading, the competition for the jobs (at least in desirable areas) has become quite fierce, even though the salary and benefits are actually DROPPING. I have a friend who wants to come back here and teach again, but he said that only white girls with North American accents can expect to get anything good.

http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

inkevitch,

I’m currently on the Gold Coast, although I head down to the Tweed Valley whenever the surf is good! I miss some things about Korea (the food mainly), but I’m actually at Southport right now, which has a thriving little Korean community. Korean kimchi from the local Smile Mart is about $8 a kilo — far less than it costs in Korea! It’s not a bad part of the world.

Which is good, because I like to eat Korean, and I still try to practice my language skills with the ajummas at the local Big Mart whenever I can.

dogbertt

As Prof. Wagner and others noted, it’s really no different in the U.S. Here’s a recent item about a NYC whore turned public school teacher who landed herself in hot water:

While out here I am completing my Masters Degree in International Child and Adolescent Psychology.

So he was edumacated. Which he proves with this not-so-subtle attempt at reverse psychology:

Many Korean women do not know about black men, and so are scared. But a smart woman is always ready to learn about other cultures. Are you a smart woman?

I think the logical fallacy that undermines his argument is the missing definition of “culture”.

http://vmphotography.com.au hoju_saram

Ignore that last paragraph – doesn’t make sense. It’s late and Ive got prac in the morning! Night!

inkevitch

Yeah, I checked out Southport as I will be working at Goldcoast hospital next year. I was pretty happy to find the Korean community is right next to the hospital as it will make living easier for meself and the family. Although surfers is still an option as we don’t really want the hassle of living in an actual house and all of the cleaning and mowing and midget proofing that comes with it.

cm

“I have read at least three examples of people who have viewed the videos at stated that the girls knew they were being filmed” – Zilchy

I haven’t seen the video so I can’t judge. But did the girls try to cover up their faces? Did they try to turn their faces away from their camera? If they did, they knew they were being filmed. If they didn’t, they probably didn’t know they were being filmed.

Zilchy

#135 cm

I did not see the video. so I do not know. I’m basing my opinions on what other people’s perception of the videos. I have no reason to believe that they would lie. I do not believe the idea of whether they turned their faces or not holds much water with regard to knowledge or accepting that they were being filmed.

#21 inkevitch – I appreciate the sarcasm, as Aussified and boring as it was. I guess Australia really was a former penial colony of the late, defunct British empire. I previously did agree that Quincy was at fault for the “distribution” of said material. Again, I feel that if the women in question knew they were being taped, which I assume they were, they held the majority of power in the situations prior to distribution. Therefor, it’s my opinion that they are much more in the blame or fault (depending on how one defines this word and in what context). The severe lack of judgement combined with mass stupidity pretty much lead to this event.

http://midnightengineer.wordpress.com/ NetizenKim

This incident proves that even Black women’s rejects have no problems getting laid easily in Korea.

What kind of a self-respecting homeboy calls himself “Quincy Black”? Quincy??? If he were in the Bronx during the 80s this boy woulda been gangbang ass-raped in a heartbeat. He should change his moniker to “The Ebonic Plague”.

yuna

#136

penial colony

That would explain a lot.

dogbertt

What kind of a self-respecting homeboy calls himself “Quincy Black”? Quincy??? If he were in the Bronx during the 80s this boy woulda been gangbang ass-raped in a heartbeat.

Perhaps he should have chosen a Hanguel name, such as Oh So Hung, or Bi Gi Dong.

cmm

This incident proves that even Black women’s rejects have no problems getting laid easily in Korea.

yet… YOU couldn’t.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

Well, I would argue that black women are not so picky. With 1 out of 4 young black men going to jail and with the fact that black men are a lot more likely to marry outside the race, it’s slim pickings for black women.

Zilchy

#36 Yuna – “That would explain a lot.”

Explain what? A mistake in spelling? I’m curious Yuna, have you ever made a mistake in spelling?

http://pawikirogii.blogspot.com pawikirogii

This thread right here proves the English teacher in Korea thinks only about himself; Koreans aren’t concerned about a Porno producing teacher. Nope, they’re worried about the English teacher’s cock. Folks, do we need any more evidence that your average English teacher in Korea is just a self absorbed jerk? Tsk, tsk……….

No se trata de tu pene, amigo.

milton

Pawi,

Welcome back! Were ya been all this time?

How’s the no-smoking campaign going?

inkevitch

1. This thread right here proves the English teacher in Korea thinks only about himself; how does it do this, and who else should he or she be concerned with?

2. Koreans aren’t concerned about a Porno producing teacher; yes they are and rightly so given his occupation.

3. Nope, they’re worried about the English teacher’s cock; no so far I think us white guys are more interested in his cock.

4. Folks, do we need any more evidence that your average English teacher in Korea is just a self absorbed jerk? I would like some, or just an explanantion of how you came to any of these conclusion with what you have seen here.

PS. Thank you for being you Pawi

http://pawikirogii.blogspot.com pawikirogii

Thanks, Milton. I stopped trying. In fact, I’m smoking right now. Inky, go look at el camguto’s post. Every problem the English teacher has in Korea always comes down to his cock. Read these blogs long enough and you too will see.

milton

Thanks, Milton. I stopped trying. In fact, I’m smoking right now.

Ha, it happens. Seinfeld once said that ending a relationship was like tipping over a vending machine: you have to rock it a few times before it goes over. I think this is even truer about quitting smoking.

Good luck with your future attempts!

inkevitch

Zilchy said;

I’m not advocating what the man did, but the naiveity of the girls and a fair portion of fault has to be placed on the girls.

Fair enough they aren’t entirely faultless assuming they were aware of the filming, which according to people that saw said movies that spoke to Marmot is not a given. But how much to blame are they?

I hate to say this, but the women are 90% at fault for this whole escapade. They were willing participants and did not consider any possible consequences.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!? So you distribute 90% to them and 10% to the man that bought the camera, set it up, pressed record, hunted for the booty, brought it back to his apartment, pressed record, did the deed, edited and then uploaded the films for distribution. this guy gets 10% of the blame, but the girls get 90% because they agreed to have sex with a man and may or may not have consented to being filmed in a country where hardcore pornography making is illegal. Can you not see how noinsensical this is?

I see the girls as having more power in this situation. You have a BLACK foriegner in Korea. I hate to say it, but most of you were already thinking it. These girls could have fabricated any story and had Quincy drowning in hot water, lickety split.

He also could have said no, he wasn’t raped. They never had more power, they only had the same amount of power. But in many cases they may have had less power. considering his psychology background he may very well have manipulated them (this is purely conjecture) he may also have deceived them, he may have informed and consented then paid them for their services. We do not knoiw, but to say THEY HAD MORE POWER is simply ridiculous.

Again, I feel that if the women in question knew they were being taped, which I assume they were, they held the majority of power in the situations prior to distribution.

Ok you scale it back here. So 90% of the fault prior to pressing “upload”. Still ridiculous as they only decision that can be definitely attributed to them is the one to have sex. And I would prefer women not to feel that anytime they have sex thay may be 90% at fault if it gets on the internet. Because otherwise the supply of sex to my friends may dry up very quickly and I will have to listen to them complain about how hard it is to get laid.

http://pawikirogii.blogspot.com pawikirogii

Thanks again, Milton. Maybe I will try again soon.

inkevitch

Pawi,

After briefly reviewing the comments I kind of agree with you, but totally don’t as well. More or less only two or three people brought up the woe-is-me thing. First was me, but I carefully delineated it into woe-is-me for black men in Korea. El Canguro wasn’t blatant about it, until numberoneoppa stepped in with his “sex playground for foreigners” jibe. which was funny, because I pictured him as a young white guy being cutesy, which by his avatar it looks like it is. Which makes ElCanguro’s over reaction so very hilarious. But I do not think that one or two posters makes it “your average” English teacher. So on my points 1. I agree with you, but who doesn’t and who else should they be caring about. 2 & 3 I think you are just wrong, but this doesn’t really affect your main point 4. Which may be true in some cases but average applies to 30-60%, I would figure the number to be less than that.

cmm

Pawi,
Goddamnit where have you been? I was getting worried. Welcome back.
-cmm

theotherkorean

I was wondering when Pawi was going to resurface.

robert neff

I missed you too Pawi – good luck with the smoking – seems kind of ironic but I just finished an article on Korea and Tobacco. Do you smoke an American brand?

aaronm

Pawi, didn’t you say you used Champix to try to quit? I am going to try that way soon. What happened if you did in fact use that drug?

yuna

#143
No it would explain why the Duke student found Australian accent so attractive.

inkevitch

I have seen several people a few months on from completing the champix packs and they were still not smoking. and my pack a day plus spin friend also has almost stopped. It does work, but I have also seen it fail (far less then step down, cold turkey, hypnotherapy, acupuncture and gum) so it is not a magic bullet. But well worth it if the others haven’t worked.

Pity you relapsed Pawi, but it is only failure if you give up. The benefits are well worth it. Your skin will look younger, you will smell more appealing, teeth will be less stained. and apparently there are health benefits (unless if you have Ulcerative colitis) to quiting. Ischaemic geart disease, stroke, emphysema and chronic bronchitis, lung cancer, bladder cancer, breast cancer, nasopharygeal cancers, oropharyngeal cancers, actually almost all cancers.

But the real benefits are for little pawi in-utero and and during his infancy and later his learned behaviours.

inkevitch

geart=heart

Maj.America

Saw the videos(research of course)…. There is no doubt that these girls knew they were being filmed. Or at least they knew he was holding a camera in front of there faces while they were going to town on his Oh So Hung and vice-versa…haha

However, That chances they agreed to allow him to distribute on the internet are slim and none. It was total punk move for him to do that. The girls also showed a level of comfort and familiarity with the dude which tells me that they must of thought him to be there boyfriend, and not a couple slutty chicks he pulled from the club. This dude is total douche bag for posting on the internet and obviously deceiving these girls, but they are couple of tool bags too for allowing him to film them doing the deed.

http://bensmatrix.wordpress.com/ ElCanguro

#151- No woe is me thanks bro, I’m in Brissie waiting for the rain to finally stop. Probably fell hook, line and sinker earlier but oh well, having fun watching this from the sidelines now.

And pawi, my cock’s fine, thanks for the concern.

Zilchy

#149 Inkevetch

Ya, the 90% was a tad excessive. Can I retract that percentage?

Vetch,
Regardless if the man set up the camera, turned it on etc., the girls were fully aware of the situation. They knew they were being filmed and most likely did NOT even consider what the consequences might be. As women, they should have been the ones to say no! What, a male is going to say no in this situation? In most cases, women hold the power as to whether or not sex is going to happen.

Yes the women had more power. Korean national females, in Korea! To make matters worse, Quincy’s skin tone is much too dark. They could have sent him to the chair by crying wolf!!

If you smoke 2 packs a day, don’t be surprised if you get lung cancer. If you consent to being digitally filmed having sex, don’t be surprised if that media floats around the multitude of electronic toys present in the world. And whatever you do, don’t think about the consequences, just do it!!!!!!!

will nolens

zilchy, that’s just wrong on so many levels. by power, you’re suggesting that the women should have taken advantage of racial prejudice and falsely accused the guy because he’s a black foreigner? and because they didn’t do that they deserve the blame for the incident?

and while maybe it’s naive to trust someone not too share a private video – if that was really what happened – you’re saying that trusting a person you’re will to have sex with is somehow blameworthy.

what a dreadfully cynical and twisted view.

numberoneoppa

Actually, it’s quite a valid point that if you consent to being digitally filmed having sex, you probably shouldn’t be surprised if the footage ends up on the web. Especially since these are pretty obviously relationships lacking love.

Yeah, I know most Korean girls don’t understand the concept of love in the first place, but that’s not the point.

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

Fair enough they aren’t entirely faultless assuming they were aware of the filming, which according to people that saw said movies that spoke to Marmot is not a given.

After further review of the first film, my friend notes that at one point, the girl herself takes hold of the camera to shoot footage. Hence, my friend says there is no doubt they knew they were being taped.

That said, I agree with Maj.America — it’s a “punk move” to post something like that on the Internet without all the participants being OK with it. That said, I’m not so sure they weren’t in on it — ordinarily, I’d say they there’s NO WAY IN HELL a Korean girl would consent to allowing the world (including her friends and family) to watch her get banged by anyone, let alone a foreigner, and especially not a black dude. Sure, Ddalgi and Almond Tease were OK with sex on video (the latter with foreigners), but I’m assuming they were making money from it. Still, who knows…

george m

Almond Tease? Oh, man I’ve been out to pasture way too long.

http://midnightengineer.wordpress.com/ NetizenKim

Pawi’s right. This is a Freedom of Cock issue.

http://midnightengineer.wordpress.com/ NetizenKim

I interpret this whole scandal as a kind of an allegory that exposes a greater truth. A conclusion that smacks of poetic justice. Does the term “tramp stamp” exist at all in the Korean vernacular? Give them enough rope and they hang themselves.

Charles Tilly

NetizenKim writes:

I interpret this whole scandal…

Yes, emphasis on the “I interpret…”

Zilchy

#162 Will Nolens,

No Mr. Nolens, I did not suggest that they “take advantage of racial prejudice and falsely accuse the guy because he’s a black foreigner”. Also, I did not place the majority of blame on them because they did not falsely accuse him.

I used this idea to support the power I believe the women had in these scenarios. Korean national females, in Korea! I was NOT advocating that they carry out this idea.

Again, I placed the majority of blame because of the overall power I believe the women had in these scenarios. Not just the one described above.

Zilchy

#162 Will Nolens again, I almost forgot.

Your quote – “while maybe it’s naive to trust someone not too share a private video – if that was really what happened – you’re saying that trusting a person you’re will to have sex with is somehow blameworthy.

what a dreadfully cynical and twisted view.”

Yes, it’s blameworthy when there’s a camera involved, you’re a willing participant in the filming and the media is now floating around the world.
If the women do not care that the media is out there for all to see, then there’s no problem. I doubt that this is the case. Where’s the love, trust and intimacy in filming a trustworthy sexual relationship?

A cynical and twisted view? I prefer a realist and honest view!

cmm

Yeah, I know most Korean girls don’t understand the concept of love in the first place, but that’s not the point.

Good to see that I’m not the only disaffected one here.

http://forum.koreansentry.com Koreansentry

I’ve got the torrent link, it’s lame just another amateur sex video. This black dude is having good time with two Korean gals, one is under age and other one’s mid 20’s. Photo collection of his gals includes girl with school uniform. He should be extradited for having sex with under aged school girl.

hardyandtiny

Where did “Quincy” post the video? Did he post it to a website that does not require age verification? Which website(s)?

cm

One of the girls maybe an under aged high school girl. There maybe grounds that Quincy should be prosecuted for having sex with a minor. He should have been arrested but I understand he has left the country. If indeed the girl is a minor, the school that employed Quincy, in essence, helped him flee by not reporting the crime to the police.

will nolens

#172

“He should be extradited for having sex with under aged school girl.”

and you should be charged for watching child porn – or what is more likely the case – making false criminal allegations.

Arghaeri

This black dude is having good time with two Korean gals, one is under age and other one’s mid 20′s.

Under 13, really!!!

cm

She looks awfully young.

After checking the facts, the legal age of consent is 13, officially on paper, which to me is shocking. The general cultural acceptance for consented sex is 19. So I take back post #174. But there have been cases in the past where the girls were 16, 17 and the older male partners have been arrested by the police and put on trial for buying sex from under aged. They were acquitted though, with much uproar, for having not enough evidence. That doesn’t take Quincy off the ropes totally, if he’s found to have bought sex from her.

The age of consent is 13 for Koreans. That technically doesn’t apply to Americans.

In any case…

cm

^ a poor troll attempt.

numberoneoppa

No, I mean, for Americans, it’s still technically statutory rape in the books even if you’re overseas. I’m not trying to troll. I’ll double check my facts, but I’m pretty sure about this one.

cm

Oh I see. Stand corrected.

numberoneoppa

<3

numberoneoppa

Just did some more looking around and while it’s not charging ground in Korea, it is, however, a criminal offence for which he can be charged once he gets home to the states.

Woohoo, send him home, send him home! ㅋㅋ 미안…

lastnamekim

Great, another douchebag who ruins it for the rest of us who just wanna tape our GFs!

Maj.America

Neither of the two girls in the videos were underage. One could probably be in her 30’s and the other in her mid to late 20’s. I heard there are bunch of pics floating around beside the two videos, but haven’t see those yet. However, I know to the untrained eye some twenty something Korean girls (Asian girls) can look like teenagers, but I assure that is not the case in the two videos.

cm

The picture of the girl in question is going around all over the net, and she’s shown with high school uniforms, posing for pics like any other high school girls of her age. Unless the pictures are old that somebody raked up from somewhere, she does indeed look like a high school girl – judging strictly only by the pictures.

BUT…. American Citizens can still get prosecuted even if they have sex with a minor (as defined by U.S. state law of his residence) overseas.

Maj.America

Wk,

That’s like getting prosecuted in the U.S for smoking weed in Amsterdam… Or getting prosecuted in the U.S for eating whale meat in Japan. If it’s not done in America; American authorities have no jurisdiction to prosecute.

numberoneoppa

Anybody know where I can find a pic of the girl in question? I am pretty good at guessing age.

Unfortunately the legal precedence regarding the protect act is tied up in child porn, and human trafficking and has never been used to prosecute statutory rape. Despite some provisions that may have jumped out to you It’s a law that is designed for virtual crimes.

However, The U.S military (UCMJ) has a slight adaptation of the Protect Act that was ironically successfully prosecuted for the first time earlier this year in Korea. In a case of Field Grade military officer.

Ut videam

Blast! Moderated again.

cmm

I’m disappointed there aren’t 200 comments yet.

cm,
You occasionally make the “sanity-restoring” comment that the issues and news stories that expats and NETs get all offended about are usually stories that get very little attention in the mainstream. The result is that expats draw inaccurate conclusions about Korea’s attitudes. What kind of attention is this story getting in general? I assume very little? Thanks for your thoughts.

theotherkorean

Thanks to a friend, I’ve watched the videos, and yes they are boring. As for the girl’s supposed ages, they look like they are in the early to mid 20s. Certainly don’t look underaged.

Following cmm’s recommendation I watched “The Korean Lesson”. I expected run-of-the mill porn of the amateur genre. Sure enough there’s the nondescript room. The unattractive actors. The ugly bedding. Yet, it was so much more than amateur hour. It appears to me that Mr. Quincy has lifted a page from Korea’s game book: branding. Hung on his wall is his brand 흑퀸시. He certainly knows his target market and is sensitive to it, his brand is in hangeul. I believe he may also be looking to position himself in the Chinese market, too. That being said I feel the 흑퀸시 brand, whilst memorable, doesn’t provide clear, distinctive and meaningful picture of the brand that differentiates it from the competition. What is the product’s strength? The 흑? The 퀸시? No, it’s the cock. And the jiggy.

Alas 흑퀸시 is no more.

For you fellas out there looking to me-too 흑퀸시 remember these essential rules to branding:
1. Is it memorable, motivating and focused to the core prospect?
2. Does it provide a clear, distinctive and meaningful picture of the brand that differentiates it from the competition?
3. Can the brand own it?
4. Is it credible and believable?
5. Does it enable growth?
6. Does it serve as a filter for brand decisionmaking?

Best of luck to you and your endeavours from your mate, Vanilla Rambone.

Jieun K

I’d like to contribute to reaching the 200 mark.

That said, I can see that guys are being sincere when they say they need to see that stuff for research/academic purposes.

Just look at Seouldout’s #197 after watching a “run-of-the mill porn of the amateur genre.” That’s some superb commentary I wouldn’t get tired of reading when it comes to guys’ “porn appreciation.”

CMM is right when he says, “Perhaps the most perfect topic ever for the MH.”

OK, I’m done with the contribution.

YangachiBastardo

IF i was the parent of one of his pupils more than his porno activities i’d be concerned about the fact he looks like a complete dumbfuck with a slightly spastic demeanor.

Here’s an idea guys: how about enforcing Shari’a law for those who do the hand-gesturing gang shit

YangachiBastardo

PS

Pawi, welcome back !

cm

#194.

It’s been in the news in all main stream newspapers. The Korean netizens are having a somewhat morbid fascination with the videos, as the links to download sites are being posted in Korean portals. Along with the videos are jpeg pictures of the girls that are alleged to be the girls in the videos. Money Today printed a story yesterday that one of the alleged girls who got her picture posted, went to the police, denying that it was her and that she demanded police investigate the origin of the allegation for slander.

To get a better accurate picture of the Korean media and what they’re discussing, go and read Korea Beat. He does a much better job covering broader issues that Koreans are discussing. The problem with Korea related blogs by expats is that the topics of discussions put much more focus and emphasis on what effects the expat population in Korea – things like race related topics, foreigner related topics, anti English spectrum, etc. This gives you only a tiny, partial view of what’s happening in Korea and you are missing out on what some of the things are being discussed by Koreans (which may not interest the foreign readership as other topics).

theotherkorean

Despite the claims made by a certain Kyopo, many Koreans have no idea who Quincy Black is, that the videos exist, aren’t even interested, and would care less.

I remember when the O yang and B yang videos came out. Not only was it the office gossip of the day but everyone was trying their best to get their hands on the video and those who got it would ask people they know “Hey I got the video, do you want to take a peek?”

Despite the supposed online frenzy, the current QB thing in the real world is way opposite of the frenzy that resulted from the O and B yang videos.

Even in cyberspace, things seems to be dying down. Go to Naver and try searching for “흑퀸시” “대전흑인영어강서”, etc and you’ll see that after Tuesday, the Korean media has stopped posting news about Quincy Black and his sexual adventures.

So it seems things are the opposite of what the Kyopo in #201 has claimed.
Which shows that Kyopos know little or nothing about how things are going down in Korea.

cm

TheOtherKorean (Mins), have I wrote anything that isn’t true? It was reported in most or all major dailies. Check one. Koreans netizens are downloading and posting links to the videos. Check two. I do agree with you the story in the media has died down after yesterday. But it’s too soon to tell if it’s not going be back on news again later.

Punch in “흑퀸시” “대전흑인영어강서”, even in googles and see how many pages of links you come up with.

And stop claiming Gyopos know little or nothing about what’s going on in Korea. We can get a good reading of what’s going on, even by just looking at the internet, reading the news, participating in chat forums, watching the Korean TV, and plus I do a serious amount of travels back to Korea each year. It’s not like all of us are living in a bubble.

Finally I have to ask, how long you will be allowed to use insults at people’s personal backgrounds, without getting a warning from the moderator. We all are here, including me and you, to discuss Korea because that’s what interests us. All opinions should be welcomed, whether you agree or not.

inkevitch

CMM, I am totally with you on this one. Not only is it the topic to end all topics for the marmot hole (minus Japan and chinese territorial claims) But we finally have NetK, Pawi, Dogbert, aaronm and yangchi throwing their bit in. And we just pass 200. Honestly, is this why you are leaving Korea? It has all just kind of fizzed out. To be honest I am a little disgusted by the whole lack of furor and frenzy.

theotherkorean

Who said you were lying? Your comments make it look like that this thing’s a big deal when it isn’t. That’s what I pointed out and in your true style you refused to accept that.

Yes you get your information about Korea through the Internet and media, but that’s also your limitation. There’s a big difference between what’s in black and white and what’s really going down in the real world. And if you keep on depending on the Internet and media sooner or later you find yourself in the bubble. You do serious amounts of travel? Well I live here. I rarely travel to N. America, so my only source of info is well the Internet, the media, and what my friends tell me. Still I don’t pretend to know about life in N. America and such, unlike you of course.

YangachiBastardo

But we finally have NetK, Pawi, Dogbert, aaronm and yangchi throwing their bit in

the Breakfast Club of the MH ? (sorry showin my age here)

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

Come now, we’re all friends here. No need to gyopo-bait.

seouldout

With that line up you’re gonna have two Michael Anthony Halls/Brian Johnsons.

cm

“Who said you were lying? Your comments make it look like that this thing’s a big deal when it isn’t.” -mins0306

cmm asked me a question and I merely answered him back. I didn’t even write that “this was a big deal”. Can you provide where I said that? But it looks like it’s big enough deal for the major dailies and major TV stations to report on this. Of course, it’s not a big deal as the Mad Cow fiasco of 2008, which you kept on insisting that it had nothing to do with Anti-Americanism, in which I disagreed on. That’s when your ill feelings towards me and the “big bad Gyopos” started. Come on, why don’t you admit it? Lest I gave the readers a wrong impression, I did hint at, by mentioning in the second paragraph in my reply to cmm, that this topic isn’t the only one on the agenda, that you can easily fall into a skewed stereotype of Korea based on few events presented by English language filters, and that you should broaden the search and read what Koreans are discussing.

“Yes you get your information about Korea through the Internet and media, but that’s also your limitation. There’s a big difference between what’s in black and white and what’s really going down in the real world. And if you keep on depending on the Internet and media sooner or later you find yourself in the bubble. ” – mins0306

I asked you this before and I’ll ask you again. So if you can’t depend on the internet nor the media, what are you supposed to depend on? Word of mouth and personal anicdotes? Even this blog for the most part, depend on the internet and the media to get its topics going. Are you going to tell Robert he’s living in a bubble?

“You do serious amounts of travel? Well I live here. I rarely travel to N. America, so my only source of info is well the Internet, the media, and what my friends tell me. Still I don’t pretend to know about life in N. America and such, unlike you of course.” – mins0306

This is from somebody who claims and insisted that nobody, including the Gyopos drive a Hyundai in North America. Remember that one? The world is a lot smaller than you think. What happens in Korea, anybody can get any information in matter of seconds through electronic means as they happen. I don’t have to be there physically in Korea to know what’s going on 90% of the time. The way you get your information and the way I get my information, there’s no difference.

Charles Tilly

Okay, so I saw Mr. 흑퀸시’s “production extraordinaire” and really have only one question:

Why didn’t the dude even rubber bag that beast of his?

numberoneoppa

Did he seriously not?

Seriously, guys, am I the only one raging over this?

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

cm,

Yeah… I’m just waiting for the day that TOK/mins tells us about his plastic model hobby… but he hasn’t done that yet.

Okay I’m just bored because I’m supposed to be writing a 20 page lab report due in the morning and my lab partner hasn’t sent me the data (kinda important). Hangeul is just so fun to type – sometimes I just can’t help it. Such a nice writing system. <3 King Sejong.

How did we get so far off topic, again?

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

I asked you this before and I’ll ask you again. So if you can’t depend on the internet nor the media, what are you supposed to depend on? Word of mouth and personal anicdotes? Even this blog for the most part, depend on the internet and the media to get its topics going. Are you going to tell Robert he’s living in a bubble?

Well, I do live in something of a bubble, but it’s mostly due to my job and my interests outside of this blog. At any rate, as you noted above, what I post here is largely a reflection of what I find personally amusing, or what I think readers will find amusing, not necessarily what everyone’s talking about.

numberoneoppa

Robert, you live in the best bubble. Well, other than the fact that you hang out in Itaewon a lot. I don’t see the attraction.

tinyflowers

#214, Yeah, but you’re not claiming to be Korean like the trolls TOK, mins, mizar etc.

theotherkorean

WK,

Are you sure you’re not obsessed with mins0306?

From the looks of it, it seems like everytime you know who brings up the subject you follow it up with your own form of dirt digging.

You stated that you have no hard feelings about mins0306. OK. But let’s assume for the sake of argument that I’m mins0306. If you have no hard feelings then why are you so adamant about backing up you know who, when you know the results will be the humiliation of a person you supposedely have no hard feelings about? It doesn’t add up.

Or is this a Kyopo method of drumming out commentors with strong anti-Kyopo views so that you can have a clear field to yourselves?

theotherkorean

cmm asked me a question and I merely answered him back. I didn’t even write that “this was a big deal”. Can you provide where I said that?

True you didn’t say it explicitly. But it was implied.

Word of mouth and personal anicdotes?

Well yes. I am not stating that you shouldn’t depend on the Internet and the media. However you should also listen to the “word of mouth and personal anecdotes” to get a complete picture. What I don’t like about you is that you link Korean news stories and insist that it is true and this is it, instead of listening to “word of mouth and personal anecdotes” you disregard them and say it is not true if it conflicts the media stories that you have linked. And that can sometimes lead to non Koreans getting the wrong impression about Korea, because the media as you know can sometimes sensationalize or twist things for their own purposes.

This is from somebody who claims and insisted that nobody, including the Gyopos drive a Hyundai in North America.

Well I didn’t say that nobody drives a Hyundai in NA. You’re putting words into my mouth to advance your own argument. What I did state, and I didn’t do a good job at it, is that Gyopos and overseas Koreans won’t drive a Hyundai if they had the money and the opportunity to buy Japanese or German cars. And if I remember correctly yuna more or less backed me up here. This is from the “word of mouth and personal anecdotes” that you like to disregard.

I don’t have to be there physically in Korea to know what’s going on 90% of the time. The way you get your information and the way I get my information, there’s no difference.

I tend to disagree here. One has to be physically in Korea to know more and deeply about the matter at hand. As for information, yes there’s no difference but on what we do with that information, well…..

I was just thinking, the Korean Cupid website must be getting a lot of mileage out of this affair. Perhaps I should make the switch?

numberoneoppa

cmm, what do you mean by “make the switch”? ㅎㅎ

I was under the impression that most of those sites were rather illegitimate (the x_cupid ones in particular).

cmm

numberoneoppa,

More of a joke, though I have dabbled on a couple of those sites in the past, but not that one. I’ve heard from others that korean cupid was “useful.” What you normally get is an easy girl who looks much worse than her picture. That’s why I recommend the Drunk/Charismatic Approach–you can get a look at the girl first. Like last night, as I was leaving Between after several hours of reveling, I whipped out my phone, gave it to the cutest waitress and told her to enter her name and phone number. It worked, but I don’t know how well it would work in the US, regardless of HOW drunk I was.

I’m genuinely curious numberoneoppa, how does it feel taking off the Charisma Man Cape of Charisma?

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

let’s assume for the sake of argument that I’m mins0306.

Okay mins,

We didn’t have any “hard feelings” back when you were mins0306. You and I got along pretty well actually, at least in my opinion. You actually congratulated me on one of my first posts here at TMH.

mins, as a poster in 2007 and 2008, wrote some very nice posts on Korean politics, military matters, a little bit of economics and some society related posts. That was cool while it lasted. mins the commenter was not the same as mins the poster. mins the commenter eventually turned into an anti-gyopo troll who used several sockpuppets. He developed a snarky side in late 2008 and got a lot of gyopos (especially cm) upset.

Then he disappeared. Then this TheOtherKorean appeared. He didn’t say much at first, but somehow he navigated the blog like a veteran. I didn’t think about it much at first, but this TOK person tends to agitate people. He was a bit more ruder and a bit more snarky than the mins I remember. The mins I remember was generally pretty respectful with me. I thought that our relationship was more like those of colleagues since you were once a guest poster as I am today.

Since this TOK, from the very beginning, was rather rude to me and his thoughts were not as well organized as the mins that I remember, I didn’t think that it was possible it was the same person using different IDs. However, from the very beginning I had my suspicions. I mean, how many Korean males with perfect English writing skills, who has an interest in military equipment, who doesn’t like gyopos, etc. But, I didn’t think that there was a relation because the mins I remember wouldn’t be as rude or have as many logical lapses.

cm though brought up some interesting points and that got my mind thinking a bit. Your sloppiness in the goose-stepping fetish thread blog got me thinking even more:

The slipperiness is a little disappointing. Another thing that’s disappointing is that, if you are really mins, then you’ve really devolved from a smart guest commenter two years ago to a snarky, disruptive commenter who likes to pick fights with people of Korean ancestry who don’t live in Korea. I don’t know what it is, but you seem to prejudge gyopos as a group (just like the later mins did). However, it’s not to say that the old mins didn’t have gyopo fans.

When someone leaves, you want to remember the good things. However, the behavior of this TOK character is reminding me of later disintegration of mins the commenter and not the intelligence and insight of mins the poster.

theotherkorean

Personally, I don’t care if you are mins or not. I really don’t.

Then don’t.

WK, by continually thinking and posting these comparisons between me and mins0306, you are actually caring whether I’m mins0306 or not. You’re not keeping your word.

So I don’t like Kyopos. Let’s leave it at that. Pawi doesn’t like expats. He’s consider a troll by some of the commentors here. But, I don’t see you criticizing him for his views.

One question. What do you want to gain from this harrassment? My banning so that you don’t have to worry about someone who’s critical of the Kyopos?

cmm

Let’s get back on topic here — a black English teaching man has been caught on tape (by himself?) fornicating with Korean girls!

gbnhj

…a black English teaching man has been caught on tape (by himself?) fornicating with Korean girls!

Not only that, but a black male English teacher has taped himself doing the same thing!

Zilchy

Oh ya, the Korean scandal of the year. The African-American gentleman was 100% to blame from start to finish. The end result is what’s important afterall. The ends do not justify the means? The end.

tinyflowers

It must be hard for mins to carry on this charade when he can’t even read/speak Korean

cm

“However you should also listen to the “word of mouth and personal anecdotes” to get a complete picture.” – says mins0306

Yes, I remember your water cooler story of couple of years ago about over hearing your colleagues that lead to a long fight between you and the other Gyopos. You started that topic as a guest writer. Remember that one? You insisted that word of mouth is important factor then, and you still haven’t changed. Oh yes, you’re mins0306 alright.

“What I don’t like about you is that you link Korean news stories and insist that it is true and this is it, instead of listening to “word of mouth and personal anecdotes” you disregard them and say it is not true if it conflicts the media stories that you have linked.” – says mins0306

WK, notice how he has totally avoided my point of Mad Cow fiasco of 2008. mins0306 claimed that the Mad Cow protests had nothing to do with anti Americanism because through word of mouth he heard that it was an anti Lee Myung Bak movement. And then he accused me of posting Korean newspaper articles from right wing Cho-Joong-Dong and claiming the stories as facts. That was the start of his sore points with me, and he let me have it when the Chinese fishing boat incident hit the topic a few months later. Soon after, Robert banned him from the site for hate baiting.

I think TheOtherKorean is sore at me because he feels that it was my fault that he got banned. Really, this is just a childish actions by mins0306 who has come back with a different ID.

theotherkorean

I think TheOtherKorean is sore at me because he feels that it was my fault that he got banned. Really, this is just a childish actions by mins0306 who has come back with a different ID.

You know if you really think I’m mins0306 then you should have said “I think mins0306…” instead of “I think TheOtherKorean…”. Anyway me thinks that you and WK are the ones who’s sore at me for being critical of your comments and posts, in addition to my anti-Kyopo views. So you and WK are resorting to these childish actions in an attempt to discredit me, better yet, get me banned so you can have a clear playing field.

There’s however one problem. According to WK, mins0306 was a respected member of this blog until he supposedly “disintegrated”, which means he probably had a lot to lose, because of his reputation and such. Me, I’m not exactly the most respected or liked member here. Try as you might, I have nothing to lose.

So keep on digging, because in the end you and WK are the ones who’ll look childish and ridiculous.

yuna

Who was this Mins ? Nevermind, I don’t want to know.

Me, I’m not exactly the most respected or liked member here. Try as you might, I have nothing to lose.

I like you, so you have something to lose. Just nevermind, you can make your valid points without saying you know better. Ask the Firestarter how she does it.

You’re looking at him, “TheOtherKorean” AKA “mins0306″. It can’t be a coincidence that both claimed to live in Korea, both wrote fluent English, both hated Gyopos, both didn’t like Korean conservative media, both claim water cooler gossips by Koreans can be considered facts, both seem to be very familiar with Korean military hardware and technology base on their past postings. All coincidences? I think not. Why doesn’t he come clean? Because he doesn’t want to risk being banned (he was banned before for baiting). My guess is he’s a Gyopo professional working in Korea as a contract computer programmer, possibly for a Korean company or for the Korean company that deals with the military. But that’s just my educated guess.

Railwaycharm

Speaking of being banned…….I looked at the the first video. Speaking from a clinical, educated view,I noticed that the shaved pubic are was out of the social norm. I think this is a practical joke. Not only did the girl know what was going on, she pandered to the cause.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

Well TOK/mins,

I don’t mean to “harass” you, if that’s how you feel. However, you did ask me a question so I’ll answer it.

My pointing out the similarities has nothing to do with a desire to have you banned, etc. If we get the mins circa 2007, I think that would be a plus to the blog. However, methinks we are ending up with the mins late 2008-early 2009, the guy who baited certain groups and used sockpuppets, and that’s not a plus to this blog. I did give you at least two opportunities to “come clean” in the goose stepping thread. My point has been to rehabilitate the situation, not to get anyone banned.

My “dog in this fight” is to gain another good commenter for the blog. However, if this commenter continues to be a disruptive troll, then my point will be to just point it out and let others decide what is the right course of action. The choice is rather up to you. I’d really wish you’d refrain from the gyopo vs. everyone else rhetoric. It’s not productive and it doesn’t make you look like a more intelligent individual. It’s divisive as well. You have something you disagree with, attack the idea, not the group.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

TOK/mins,

It’s only fair that I fire off a question to you. Why should the truth (or an attempt to discover the truth) be harassment? I suppose it would be “harassing” to you only if it was an inconvenient truth.

Whether or not you are in fact a former banned commenter here at TMH, trying to regain access to the comments section is imminently germane and relevant. As a probablepossible former guest poster, I don’t see how you can disagree with that.

Now, I don’t know for sure if you are the mins that I speak of under a different cloak, but here is what I certainly DO KNOW. You are following the exact same path that got the original mins banned in the first place. Mr. Koehler gave you a warning in # 207. I suggest you follow it.

numberoneoppa

cmm, you wrote: “I’m genuinely curious numberoneoppa, how does it feel taking off the Charisma Man Cape of Charisma?”

To which my reply is: “whaaaa?”

Anyways, you are correct, none of that stuff will work in the states, even if you’re pretty damned good looking. Trust me, I know. Nice job, by the way.

yuna

Did you’s all shout “Barrabas” and did Robert wash his hands afterwards?

The way yous are all hopping up and down now, you really must have hated the guy (despite denying it).

yuna

barabbas

numberoneoppa

So much hate in this thread. So much hate. :'(

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

Yuna,

I don’t hate him, but I am very disappointed in him. I learned part of my posting style from reading his posts, particularly the ones regarding military matters.

For a guy as intelligent as TOK/mins he’s demonstrated a history of baiting and agitating groups/people he disagrees with instead of relying on reasoned arguments. And it’s not getting better. It’s getting worse. The fact that he’s come so far down from where he was makes me sad if anything else.

Yuna, if you came back as a sock (or if anyone else did) and tried the same tactics, then I’d say the same things, particularly if I had once respected the poster/commenter.

I can see why cm may hate him. mins0306 tried to get cm banned and even specifically requested that Rob do so in a thread. Rob merely said that he wouldn’t because cm was one of his favorite commenters and, ironically, asked mins to stop baiting gyopos.

Well WK, ever since the goose stepping thread, after you know who posted his suspicions, you’ve been following him and backing up his every moves, digging up previous posts on a hunch that I may be mins0306 based on supposed similarities. I call that harassment. Because you are bothering me. And for what? Because you are “disappointed” in mins0306 and “want to see the truth” and police this blog as a guest poster? Excuse me but I find that laughable.

It is true that I don’t like Kyopos and I’ve expressed my views. On the other hand Pawi doesn’t like expats and he expressed his views several times on this matter. I don’t see you policing him. And who knows Pawi may be a sock puppet himself. A Kyopo who doesn’t like non Koreans but is afraid to express it out in the open maybe using a sock puppet. On the other hand he may be a white or he may not be a sock puppet at all. But I don’t see you pursuing the truth regarding Pawi. Why is that?

WK. The way I see it you’re after me because of my anti-Kyopo views. Let’s just assume that I had anti-expat views instead of anti-Kyopo views, would you pursue me that vigorously? Heck I doubt you know who would pursue me that vigorously too.

And I believe you helped prove my point by this following statement;

Mr. Koehler gave you a warning in # 207. I suggest you follow it.

Come clean WK and admit that you’re after me because of my anti-Kyopo views.

theotherkorean

Thanks for the vote of confidence, yuna.

Yeah, despite what WK says, they must have really hated the guy. Heck they even hate me because I dislike them. And since the guy they hated got banned for supposedly baiting Kyopos, it’s obvious they want the same thing to happen to me. As per a Korean saying, they want the junk car out of the way.

theotherkorean

Not that I’m admitting to baiting Kyopos. Yes I don’t like them and used harsh words on them, but I would hardly call that baiting, because my original purpose was to express my views not to bait. And I believe one of the Kyopos jumping up and down said something along the lines of;

All opinions should be welcomed, whether you agree or not.

Well I don’t have a high opinion of Kyopos, and by the above statement, he should welcome my opinions even though he doesn’t agree with me. But he’s not keeping his word.

yuna

My vote of confidence is kiss of death. Gangpeh/Yangachi’s survived it though.

I still think you can make your points without *disliking* them. They are entitled to their views, me to mine and you to yours. You can tell us how it really is without discrediting what they know/how they think.

theotherkorean

Kiss of death. I’ve never seen a guy die because a girl kissed him. Of course if the girl in question is Ha Risu, well….

Now that you put it that way, I may have let my anti-Kyopo emotions cloud my judgement. Let’s just say I don’t like people who profess to knowing everything and when confronted with something that may be the opposite, instead of admitting they may be mistaken go into a mode of discrediting and debasing the person who confronted them. It may be just me but I get the feeling that Kyopos here have a tendency to be like the above. Which is one of the reasons I don’t like them. But anyways, yeah toning things down may not be too bad. And I can already hear WK popping the champagne.

YangachiBastardo

I can see why cm may hate him. mins0306 tried to get cm banned and even specifically requested that Rob do so in a thread. Rob merely said that he wouldn’t because cm was one of his favorite commenters and, ironically, asked mins to stop baiting gyopos

I’m nobody’s fave poster but that happened to me too, invoking my banning i mean and honestly it really well offended me, for some not fully explainable reason it seems really below the belt…i mean you come here expecting a bunch of egotistical belligerant assholes, that’s right and fair.

Sneaky snakes trying to axe you while at the same time acting all cutesy with the owner…bah

My vote of confidence is kiss of death. Gangpeh/Yangachi’s survived it though

Hey you all have to admit i toned it down a lot…i’m making a big effort to decrease my level of assholeness, on the internet, in daily life, in my business practices etc.

Well I don’t have a high opinion of Kyopos

If it doesn’t open a can of worms, may i ask you why ?

yuna

Yangachi, you’re my favourite.

It’s all rights of passage innit. When I first started commenting I was told I was Kushibo – I didn’t even know who it was.

theotherkorean

#241

I’ve expressed my reasons in previous posts, so if it’s OK with you I’ll leave it at that.

theotherkorean

My mistake 249.

YangachiBastardo

Yuna: lol well i was taken for an ajoshi, needless to say my chest was swelling with pride for a whole week. I think it’s part of the interweb game, trying to guess the real identity, or at least something more, of the name you’re chatting to

TOK: that’s ok # 248 kinda answer the question a little bit anyway

Railwaycharm

Area

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

Come clean WK and admit that you’re after me because of my anti-Kyopo views.

I believe your memory is rather selective. If you recall, I openly declared that I didn’t think you were not mins0306 when other gyopos tried to make the connection (back in August of this year):

I’m not “after you” because of your “anti-Kyopo views,” but because you are [often] a troll, it’s a lot easier to point out your inconsistencies in both logic and identity.

I agree with Yuna. You can [and should] express your views without consistently relying on ad hominems. As far as me “popping the champagne,” I think that philosophy helps you more than it helps me.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

I mean, “I openly declared that I didn’t think you were mins0306.”

Zilchy

Whoa! Come on people! Let’s just all assume we completely hate each other and try to have reasonable discussions and arguements.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

I’m nobody’s fave poster but that happened to me too, invoking my banning i mean and honestly it really well offended me

YB,

I morned your loss… if that means anything…

Zilchy

#109 Yuna / #111 Myself

I didn’t understand your reference because I did not read or know about the Duke scandal. I “breezed by it ” on this site for some reason. Good point. I realize it’s late on this thread, but have some thoughts.

I don’t believe the “Duke girl” should have to apologize to her “disposable haram”. My assumption is that all the boys in said haram knew about her intentions to generate the report and if they didn’t, they were just having sex with a woman (not willingly participating in being filmed). I know at least one of the boys was fully aware of her intention to generate a report. Unfortunately, she claims she sent the finished product to 3 of her closest friends and somehow, the document went viral. Now the whole world knows about it and she has to issue an apology to save multiple faces.

This idea mirrors what I stated earlier, The world is a digital whore who’s exploits travel fast and hard. If you willingly or unknowingly are filmed doing anything, it could have serious consequences.

Also, there’s a huge difference between consentually being filmed having sex and just having sex where anyone could write about the experience, provide pictures and post/send this information via the internet. Film itself is much more powerful than anything written in relation to the effects on the human psychy.

cm

“Let’s just assume that I had anti-expat views instead of anti-Kyopo views, would you pursue me that vigorously?” – says mins0306

Then the expats would have the right to respond to defend themselves. They have more than enough ability to defend themselves. They don’t need anyone’s help. It’s obvious that if you’re the target, then it’s going to feel more personal than the people who are not the target.

You should be banned not just because you constantly spew your hate on a whole group of people you profess that you hate. But because you were caught, posting as a sock puppet when you had your ID, mins0306.

“Let’s just say I don’t like people who profess to knowing everything and when confronted with something that may be the opposite, instead of admitting they may be mistaken go into a mode of discrediting and debasing the person who confronted them.” – says mins0306

That tells you how arrogant you are. Just because you don’t agree, then to you, “people are professing to know everything”. If you disagree with something I said, then maybe you should debate without throwing in the old you’re-just-a-dumb-gyopo-living-in-a-bubble-what-do-you-know-about-Korea” line of reasoning. Can you debate without throwing in that line every thread, mins? Why even bring up the “Gyopo-ness” at all, in just about every thread you are in? It’s funny but, you’re a Gyopo yourself. Do you hate yourself too?

theotherkorean

It’s funny but, you’re a Gyopo yourself. Do you hate yourself too?

This is one of the reasons why I’m tempted to throw the “you’re-just-a-dumb-gyopo-living-in-a-bubble-what-do-you-know-about-Korea.” I’m not a Kyopo, I’m a Korean. Yet you refuse to accept that fact. Me thinks your criticism of me is a reflection of yourself. When you don’t agree, instead of debating you throw in fits, and instead of listening you constantly push your line in the hope that the other person will agree with you. That’s arrogance on your part.

As for your question, I don’t hate myself I just hate you.

They have more than enough ability to defend themselves. They don’t need anyone’s help.

Oh I get it, since he’s a fellow Kyopo he has the right to go against the expats and do the dirty work for you.

On the other hand, if you receive help from the expats when it comes to “defending” you from me, they are more than welcome to provide the help.

theotherkorean

WK,

You’re speaking in the past. I’m speaking in the present. And if you are the well reasoned person that you make yourself to be, then shouldn’t you drop the subject since I told yuna that me toning things down is a good idea?

theotherkorean

And you are avoiding my question regarding Pawi.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

shouldn’t you drop the subject since I told yuna that me toning things down is a good idea?

okie dokie

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

YB,

I mean I “mourned” not “morned.” Sorry.

theotherkorean

okie dokie

How smug of you. Helps prove my point regarding a certain group.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

Helps prove my point regarding a certain group

You got all that from that?

FYI, when I said “okie dokie” I agreed with you but I did have some doubt into just how sincere you are. What you just wrote above isn’t promising.

theotherkorean

WK, you harass me for two days and all you can say is “okie dokie”? I don’t know about you but to me that sounds like a victory statement. Which to me isn’t promising either. And you still haven’t answered my question regarding Pawi.

theotherkorean

And I said I tone things down. I didn’t say I’ll drop my anti-Kyopo ideals.

cm

“I’m not a Kyopo, I’m a Korean. Yet you refuse to accept that fact.” – says mins0306

I say BS on that. How many Korean Koreans do you know that can speak flawless English without having to get educated and having lived abroad for extensive periods of time?

Read post #35 where mins advocates the lefty paper, Hanky
Read post # 64 he says, a Korean living in Korea and interacting with Koreans will know more than a Kyopo who’s not even living in Korea (sounds familiar?)

Still denying you are indeed mins0306? You want me to continue revealing your past postings that sounds suspiciously similar to your postings now?

“Oh I get it, since he’s a fellow Kyopo he has the right to go against the expats and do the dirty work for you.” – says mins0306

What dirty work? I don’t agree with Pawi’s anti-expat attitude, nor do I usually advocate Pawi’s anti expat views. So I’m not sure what you are talking about there buddy.

“On the other hand, if you receive help from the expats when it comes to “defending” you from me, they are more than welcome to provide the help.” – says mins0306

What defending and help did I receive from expats? I’ve never asked for any defending nor any help from expats. I really don’t know what you’re talking about. You know it’s funny, you claim that only Koreans living in Korea know what’s best and know what’s going on in Korea so Koreans living abroad should shut up. But I wonder if Koreans in Korea really know everything that’s going on in Korea, as they claim (like you). Didn’t Koreans believe (and still believe), they can get Mad Cow just by eating US beef? How many people in those Korean masses that protested against US beef knew that they were being used by political forces? My point? Sometimes it’s better to see things from a far, which can give you a better view than the people who mistakenly think they know everything just because they live in Korea.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

WK, you harass me for two days

If you are using a sock and I provide evidence that you used a sock, then I don’t consider that harassing. If I was doing the same thing and someone presented evidence that I was using a sock, then I’d expect the same kind of activity against me.

And you still haven’t answered my question regarding Pawi.

Well… does anyone really take him seriously anymore? He’s toned down a lot since early last year and he’s even gotten the odd affection from some expats. He doesn’t go overboard anymore and I’ve thanked/praised him for it. Plus, I’ve never asked for pawi’s banning because pawi’s never used a sock. Even when he changed his ID slightly he still admitted it was him. Pawi can be an asshole sometimes, but he’s an honest asshole.

P.S. I don’t think I’ve ever asked (or at least I don’t remember) for an expat to be banned.

theotherkorean

How many Korean Koreans do you know that can speak flawless English without having to get educated and having lived abroad for extensive periods of time?

True. But my time overseas was limited. Kyopo refers to someone who is a permanent resident of a country that is not Korea. Specifically those of Korean descent who have citizenships of other countries or in the case of the U.S., green cards. I hold Korean citizenship and I don’t have any residence permits, which means I’m not a Kyopo.

What dirty work?

Come on admit it. You like it when Pawi lashes out against the expats. At least you can keep your reputation in TMH intact.

What defending and help did I receive from expats?

Well Robert banned mins0306. If that wasn’t help from an expat then what was it?

You know it’s funny, you claim that only Koreans living in Korea know what’s best and know what’s going on in Korea so Koreans living abroad should shut up. But I wonder if Koreans in Korea really know everything that’s going on in Korea, as they claim (like you). Didn’t Koreans believe (and still believe), they can get Mad Cow just by eating US beef? How many people in those Korean masses that protested against US beef knew that they were being used by political forces? My point? Sometimes it’s better to see things from a far, which can give you a better view than the people who mistakenly think they know everything just because they live in Korea.

I believe the above statement proves that you are arrogant. And since you’re a Kyopo, that makes you an arrogant Kyopo, which I dislike.

Let’s do this. I don’t like you and you don’t like me. Let’s leave it at that. If you want to dig up mins0306’s past comments in a vain attempt to link me to him, go ahead. It’s your time to waste.

theotherkorean

then I don’t consider that harassing.

Well you could have minded your won business.

If I was doing the same thing and someone presented evidence that I was using a sock, then I’d expect the same kind of activity against me.

OK. I guess I have to look hard from now on, so I can give you the same royal treatment.

I don’t think wjk is one of the gyopos on your shit list because he liked you and said some nice things about you.

If I remember correctly, he wasn’t fond of the other Kyopos here. Which explains why you got on his case.

You know WK, you may say otherwise, but you’re on my case because I’m not fond of Kyopos. Since you’re doublespeaking, I guess I have every right to give you the same treatment that you’re giving me.

cm

“Come on admit it. You like it when Pawi lashes out against the expats. At least you can keep your reputation in TMH intact.” – says mins0306

I resent that you’re lumping me with Pawi (sorry Pawi, I’m not trying to pick a fight with you). The only lashing out I’ve ever done against expats is when they act like you (yes, unfortunately you’re not the only around here) – get on the bash the Gyopo bandwagon.

“I believe the above statement proves that you are arrogant. And since you’re a Kyopo, that makes you an arrogant Kyopo, which I dislike.” – says mins0306

Well…. pointing out mass ignorance is not arrogance. The mass ignorance is their belief that people were getting Mad Cow by eating beef from the US. What is ignorance is that you believe only Koreans living in Korea can give opinions on Korean matters. I’m a permanent resident of Canada, but I still hold the ROK passport, I have just as much right as you do, to speak my mind on Korea because it’s my country too. Calling me an “extreme right wing 또라이” because I posted something in a respectful manner but which you did not agree, is not only rude and unacceptable, but also arrogant.

“Well Robert banned mins0306. If that wasn’t help from an expat then what was it?” – mins0306

Well, I didn’t ask him to ban you. He banned you because you were using multiple ID’s to troll in your anti-Gyopo hysteria. I must admit though, I didn’t mind he banned your ass, that was sweet.

“Let’s do this. I don’t like you and you don’t like me. Let’s leave it at that. If you want to dig up mins0306′s past comments in a vain attempt to link me to him, go ahead. It’s your time to waste” – says mins0306

Yes let’s leave it at that, I don’t want to spam this site with a spat that nobody else is interested in. But I will dig up to prove you are mins0306 as long as you continue to go on the anti-Gyopo ideology, as you claimed you will.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

OK. I guess I have to look hard from now on, so I can give you the same royal treatment.

It will be a futile exercise for you. I don’t use socks. But if you want to waste your time, be my guest.

If I remember correctly, he wasn’t fond of the other Kyopos here.

He ranted against non-Koreans far more.

Which explains why you got on his case.

If you recall, he was most infatuated with expat penises’. I got on his case because he kept Bible thumping.

theotherkorean

Well, I didn’t ask him to ban you. He banned you because you were using multiple ID’s to troll in your anti-Gyopo hysteria. I must admit though, I didn’t mind he banned your ass, that was sweet.

Of course it was sweet. You had a clear playing field all to yourself.

Yes let’s leave it at that, I don’t want to spam this site with a spat that nobody else is interested in. But I will dig up to prove you are mins0306 as long as you continue to go on the anti-Gyopo ideology, as you claimed you will.

Ah yes, the contradiction master.

theotherkorean

Now why won’t the two Kyopos here admit that they’re after me because of my anti-Kyopo ideals, when it’s so obvious?

cm

“Ah yes, the contradiction master.” – says mins0306

Yes, as long as you insist on denigrating my background and use the Kyopo term as a slur, I’ll continue to react. It is totally up to you.

“Now why won’t the two Kyopos here admit that they’re after me because of my anti-Kyopo ideals, when it’s so obvious?” – says mins0306

Are you really Okay in the head? What have we been discussing all this time?

theotherkorean

What have we been discussing all this time?

Well you didn’t make it official until now. And WK still won’t admit it.

cm

#277, and here I thought we were arguing because of your rude Gyopo bashing… what’s really to admit? You are rude, and you constantly bring up Gyopo as a slur. What’s really need to be offical?

theotherkorean

what’s really to admit?…. What’s really need to be offical?

Ah yes deceptiveness. Your trademark. Also can say the same for the —–s.

http://www.xanga.com/wangkon936 WangKon936

mins,

You are seriously freaking me out. There is no point in conversing with you in this thread anymore. cm, if you want to continue, that’s your prerogative. I’m out.

cm

mins0306, I’m not the one who goes around with multiple ID’s. I’m not the one who pretend that I’m not the same person as the one who got banned, even though I am. I’m not the one who is deceptive like your trademark.

cm

#283, I’m out too. This guy is a loser. Gave up.

http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

theotherkorean — Cut the gyopo-baiting out now. Seriously.

theotherkorean

#286.

OK whatever you say. But I wasn’t baiting them, I was defending myself against the harassment meted out by the two commentors in question. And in the interest of fairness shouldn’t you ask the two commentors in question not to harass me in the way shown above? If they had decided to mind their own business, we wouldn’t have had the above conversation.

http://pawikirogii.blogspot.com pawikirogii

Both Wang and cm should be slapped for being foolish enough in giving the guy what he wants. Let him hang.

cmm

I was happy to wake up this afternoon and see this approaching 300, expecting some funny or juicy revelations about our gang-banging Korean girl-banging pornographer, but instead it was 90%+ gyopo in-fightingㅜ

Ask the Firestarter how she does it.

Yuna – Is that a sneaky reference to whom I think it is? You leave my sweet girl alone.

I’m nobody’s fave poster

YangachiBastardoGangpehModerniste – FWIW, I don’t have an absolute “fave poster,” but if I did, you’d easily be on the shortlist.