New Fatima Revelation?

On the site liberoquotidiano.it, Italian journalist Antonio Socci reveals some new text reportedly written by Sister Lucia of Fatima.

Socci is the Italian journalist who in 2006 published the book, "The Fourth Secret of Fatima" which contends that there is an additional text composed by Sister Lucia and sent to the Vatican which has never been revealed.

In this most recent article, Socci relays additional information reportedly from an unpublished diary of Sister Lucia, the provenance of which he reports is "contained in an official publication of the Carmel of Coimbra, the one where she lived and died (in 2005) Sister Lucia dos Santos, the last seer. Entitled "A caminho sob or olhar de Maria" and a biography of Sister Lucia, written by the sisters, with the valuable unpublished documents of the same seer."

The specific context of the reported text surrounds the time in 1944 when Sister Lucia struggled mightily with writing down the third secret of Fatima.

The relevant section of the article follows :

Towards 16:00 hours on January 3rd, 1944, in the convent’s chapel, before the Tabernacle, Lucia asked Jesus to let her know His will: ‘I then feel that a friendly hand, affectionate and maternal, touches my shoulder.’

It is ‘the Mother of Heaven’ who says to her: ‘be at peace and write what they command you to, but not that which you were given to understand about its meaning,’ intending to allude to the meaning of the vision that the Virgin herself had revealed to her.

Right after – says Sr. Lucia – ‘I felt my spirit flooded by a light-filled mystery which is God and in Him I saw and heard: the point of the flame-like lance which detaches, touches the axis of the earth and it [the earth] shakes: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, rivers and clouds leave their bounds, they overflow, flood and drag with them into a whirlpool, houses and people in a number unable to be counted; it is the purification of the world from the sin it is immersed in. Hatred, ambition, cause detructive wars. Afterward I felt in the increased beating of my heart and in my spirit a quiet voice which said: ‘in time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic. Heaven in eternity!’ This word, ‘Heaven,’ filled my heart with peace and happiness, so much so that, almost without realizing it, I continued to repeat for some time: Heaven, Heaven!’

That is how she was given the strength to write the Third Secret.

Antonio Socci suggests that this diary entry seems to lend credence to the assertion of his 2006 book that there were indeed two parts to the Fatima revelation, one of which is the vision of the "Bishop in white" released in the year 2000 and another part, perhaps composed at a different time and sent later and thus not considered part of the 'secret' by some in the Vatican, that contains the 'meaning of the vision.'

During a pilgrimage to Fatima in 2010, Pope Benedict said, "It is mistaken to think that Fatima's prophetic mission is completed."

Comments

This new revelation received by Sister Lucia on January 3, 1944 is not a part of the three secrets received by the three children, Lucia, Francisco, and Jacinta, on July 13, 1917. This is an additional revelation and it beautifully completes the 3 secrets given in 1917. It would be incorrect to accuse the Popes, or the Vatican, of lying about the third secret of Fatima. It would be incorrect to say that the third secret had two parts, and this revelation is the second part of the third secret. The third secret is what all three children received, together with the first two secrets, 27 years earlier in 1917. This is an additional revelation received by Sister Lucia only, at a time when Francisco and Jacinta were already deceased.
To me, this new revelation from 1944 completes and puts into a beautiful, optimistic perspective the rather frightening 3 secrets received previously in 1917.
Here’s a recapitulation of the revelations:
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FIRST SECRET, JULY 13, 1917
A vision of souls tormented in hell.
SECOND SECRET, JULY 13, 1917
‘If [Our Lady’s] requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, etc.’
THIRD SECRET, JULY 13, 1917
A vision of the Bishop in white (the Pope) going through a destroyed city (Rome?), before he is killed, together with other bishops, priests, religious, and faithful laity, by those persecuting the Church.
ADDITIONAL REVELATION, JANUARY 3, 1944
Natural calamities as punishment of sin and purification of the Earth from sin.
‘in time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic.’
The above sentence indicates, in my opinion, that Russia and other separated Churches and faith communities will come into full communion with the Catholic Church.
‘Heaven in eternity!’
This is a beautiful promise, Heaven which awaits the faithful, as opposed to the frightening image of hell shown in the First Secret on July 13, 1917.
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Based on the new revelation of January 3, 1944, I really hope and await that Russia will not only return to God, which it already has, and right now Russia is probably more religious than most European countries and the USA. I await more than that, Eastern Orthodox Russia becoming fully Catholic, in obedience to the Pope, in full communion with the Catholic Church.
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Our job, as laypeople, is to pray the Rosary, and participate in the Five First Saturdays of Reparation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Thus, we can hopefully save many souls from eternal damnation in hell, we can avoid further persecution of the Church, we can avoid the great natural calamities coming our way as purification for the sins of the world, we can unify the Church including the Eastern Orthodox Churches in Russia and elsewhere coming back into full communion with the Pope, and we can reach our eternal home, “Heaven in eternity!”.

Posted by @FMShyanguya on Monday, Sep 15, 2014 12:15 AM (EST):

Mahalo and regards Mr. Birch! God bless you and all near and dear to you and his work at your hands. I hope to buy your book one day. Please pray for me and my family.
- @FMShyanguya

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Sunday, Sep 14, 2014 9:01 AM (EST):

The traditional teaching of the Church on this is that;

Here we have to draw a line between that which the Church presents as Her Doctrine - and that from Private Prophecy which is an addition - but an addition which no Catholic is under any obligation to accept.

During the Era of Peace foretold by Our Lady at Fatima [and in many other Church-approved venues] the whole world will have finally received its initial evangelization. There is no talk of a mass conversion of the Jews during that period. Numerous Popes have assured us that universal initial evangelization hasn’t happened yet.

They don’t say that every single person will be a practicing Catholic during that period - just the vast majority. The Jews will still have not yet converted in any massive numbers.

Some time after that; about2/3 of the baptized Christians will publicly renounced their Christian Faith/Apostacize. Scripture states about 2/3 of those baptized Christians of that time will do so.

A reasonably short period of time after that - comes the advent of the great’ Antichrist at the end of time.

He will lead - through false miracles, the power and force of his rhetoric [proceeding from his massive intellect] will draw a high percentage of the Gentiles and most of the Jews to him. [A higher percentage of the Jews will follow him - because they are still mistakenly awaiting the Messiah.

When the crisis is at its height - God will send (h)Enock and Elias back to earth to oppose the Antichrist [they are the two witnesses spoken of in the Book of Revelation whom Antichrist will eventually kill - whose bodies will lay in the streets of Jerusalem for three days till God raises them up.

St. John Damascene - both a Father and Doctor of the Church cites this in his great ‘Summa’ of the Catholic Faith, ‘De Fide Orthodoxa’. The citation about Enock and Elias below I’ve electronically copied from my book, ‘Trial, Tribulation & Triumph Before, During and After the Antichrist’ [TTT}. Here is the quote from St. John Damascent:

And Enock and Elias the Thesbite will be sent and they shall ‘turn the heart of the fathers to the children,’ that is to say, turn the synagogue to our Lord Jesus Christ and the preaching of the Apostles. And they will be destroyed by him. Then the Lord will come from heaven in the same way that the holy Apostles saw Him going into Heaven, perfect God and perfect man, with glory and power; and he shall destroy the man of iniquity, the son of perdition, with the spirit of His mouth. So, let no one expect the Lord to come from the earth, but from Heaven, as He Himself has positively as-sured us.

You can get a much fuller discussion of Enock and Elias in Chapter 10 of TTT.

All my love in Christ

Desmond

Posted by @FMShyanguya on Sunday, Sep 14, 2014 1:24 AM (EST):

Aloha Mr. Birch,
Thank you for your quick reply and clarification.

In the era of peace, will all be Catholics? Perhaps converted through what they witness during ‘the minor chastisement’? All convert or just the gentiles leaving the Jews to come into the Church after the arrival of the Antichrist?

Mahalo
- @FMShyanguya

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Saturday, Sep 13, 2014 10:38 PM (EST):

Dear Francis,

In order, many Church-approved mystics prophesy a phenomenon of ‘Three Days of Darkness.

Here is a brief discussion of suchL

Padre Pio NEVER prophesied ‘Three Days of Darkness’. I have somewhere in my files a letter from his provincial general which states that while Padre Pio prophesied many thing - HE NEVEFR DID ABOUT THE 3 DAYS.

ST. CASPAR [Jasper] del Buffalo - Canonized in 1954, was the founder of the Order of the Missionaries of the Precious Blood, which order was approved in 1815. This Order of Priests’ special mission was to have a “house” for its priests in the “most neglected and wicked town or district in a diocese.”
St. Caspar prophesied the Three Days of Darkness.

Blessed Mary of Jesus Crucified, (19th Century) The foundress of a Carmelite convent at Bethlehem, her nickname is the “Little Arab.” She died in 1878, and was Beatified by Pope John Paul II in 1983. She prophesied the Three Days of Darkness.

Palma Maria was an Italian woman born in 1825. Widowed at the age of twenty eight, she later received the stigmata in her hands, feet, and side on may 3, 1865. Similar to a number of other graced souls, she lived on the Blessed Sacrament alone for the last ten years of her life. She made a long series of prophecies concerning local affairs in Italy. She predicted the rise of particularly “anti-Catholic” “Republican” governments for France, Spain, and Italy well in advance of the events.
She had the following to say about the three days of darkness.
“There shall be three days of darkness. Not one demon shall be left in hell. They shall all come out, either to excite the wicked murderers, or to dishearten the just. This shall be frightful! frightful! but a grand cross shall appear, and the triumphs of the Church will make people quickly forget all evils.”

Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi

Anna-Maria specifically prophesies a three day duration for the period of darkness. She also give many other details surround-ing its occurrence.

“God will ordain two punishments: one, in the form of wars, revolutions and other evils, will originate on earth; the other will be sent from Heaven. There will come over all the earth an intense darkness lasting three days and three nights. Nothing will be visible and the air will be laden with pesti-lence, which will claim principally but not exclusively, the en-emies of religion. ... Only blessed candles can be lighted and will afford illumination. ...

All the enemies of the Church, secret as well as known, will perish over the whole earth during that universal darkness, with the exception of a few, whom God will soon after con-vert. The air shall be infected by demons who will appear under all sorts of hideous forms.”

“After the three days of darkness, St. Peter and St. Paul, having come down from heaven, will preach in the whole world and designate a new Pope. A great light will flash from their bodies and will settle upon the cardinal, the future Pontiff [Pope]. Then Christianity will spread throughout the world. He is the Holy Pontiff, chosen by God to withstand the storm. At the end, he will have the gift of miracles, and his name shall be praised over the whole earth. [The above is quoted from the Beatification documentation on Bl. Anna Maria.]

Frankly, I could go on for hours citing such prophecies of ‘Three Days of Darkness’ from Church=approved prophets. And they are in total agreement on the basics.

1. I will be the end of what I call a or the ‘Minor Chastisement’.

2. the vast majority of Christ’s enemies left alive at that point will die during the Three Days.

3. This even ushers in the Age of Peace prophesied by our Lady through so many Saints, Blessed and Venerable.

All my love in Christ

Desmond

Posted by @FMShyanguya on Saturday, Sep 13, 2014 6:45 PM (EST):

Aloha and Dear Mr. Birch,

What about the three days of darkness that some visionaries speak about, that is supposed to conclude the minor chastisement?

Isn’t it after this minor chastisement, and the supernatural events that accompany it, that all then convert and become Catholics?

What about the era of peace, are all Catholics and if so, does that then fulfill the fullness of gentiles and Jews coming into the Church?

Mahalo and regards,
@FMShyanguya

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Sunday, Sep 7, 2014 5:37 PM (EST):

Dear Andrew,

Yes, and those who are gullible enough to believe these kinds of inventions are to be prayed for.

All my love in Christ

Desmond

Posted by Andrew on Sunday, Sep 7, 2014 12:06 PM (EST):

Mary, The Fatima apparitions have been obscured with conspiracy theories that Sister Lucia complained have caused great damage to the Fatima message itself. Mostly from those who St. John Paul ll referred to as sensationalists. They were unhappy with the Third Secret of Fatima as they expected this Secret to be filled with sensational prophecies of war and death etc… A certain Fr. Nicholas Gruner who is at stage 4 of being excommunicated for his falsehoods on Fatima has invented many of the theories. Sister Lucia complained to St. John Paul ll that Fr. Gruner was placing words in her mouth that she never said. By order of St. John Paul ll and Sister Lucias Superiors, Fr. Gruner was banned from ever speaking to Sister Lucia again. Then the conspiracy theories came out like a sci-fi experience. It is important to know that Fr. Gruner has amassed a huge financial fortune with all his theories that have no basis. But sadly there are those who believe everything and anything he says. As for Photographs all of us experience changes in our appearance with age. Why would Sister Lucia be the exemption?

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Sunday, Sep 7, 2014 11:49 AM (EST):

Dear me, Yes.

The same old wives tales were told about Pope Paul VI during my Univeristy years—- and the real Paul VI was a prisoner in the Vatican - don’t we just know.

And Cardinal Ratzinger - when in mid-life he really began to come on strong against the extreme Higher Critics [example: Karl Rahner - about whom he said ‘We’re (theologically) from different planents—- they’d put a radioactive capsule in his brain. wee-ooo - wee-ooo wee-ooo -

“I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore, Todo! :-) :-) :-)

All my (tough) love in Christ

Desmond A. Birch

Posted by Mary on Sunday, Sep 7, 2014 10:45 AM (EST):

There seems to be some confusion about the “real” Lucia. In photographs, her appearance completely changes at mid-life. Some believe another woman was substituted into the convent for Lucia. Strange as that may be, it explains the confusion surrounding the Fatima messages and several other worrisome issues connected to it. Anyone have more to add on this aspect?

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 10:49 AM (EST):

N.D.

You asked, “Christ also said there will be a Great Falling Away; how does recognizing the signs of the Time we are living in make one a “radical” traditionalist?”

I respond, I never said that - did I?

With your question - you are implying that the Great Falling Away Jesus spoke of is fulfilled today!

What I said is that - THIS CANNOT POSSIBLY BE THE TIME OF THE GREAT APOSTASY BECAUSE:

THE SIGNS WHICH THE CHURCH’S MAGISTERIUM, NUMEROUS POPES, THE CATECHISM, SCRIPTURE, ST PAUL, ETC. TEACH MUST PRECEDE THAT GREAT APOSTASY HAVE NOT YET OCCURED. Pope Benedict XVI referred to those SIGNS AS ‘NEGATIVE EVENTS’ - NEGATIVE IN THAT UNTIL THEY OCCUR - THE VERY ENDTIME EVENTS CANNOT YET OCCUR. IN ‘TRIAL, TRIBULATION AND TRIUMPH’ I REFERRED TO THEM AS ‘NEGATIVE SIGNS’.

SO - WHAT ARE THESE NEGATIVE SIGNS/EVENTS WHICH MUST OCCUR BEFORE THE VERY ENDTIME EVENTS???

1. The Church has always taught what Our Lord said about when the very Endtime events could occur—-
“not till the Gospel has been preached throughout the whole World [See citations in posts above].

2. But both Pope JP II and Benedict XVI have formally taught that the INITIAL EVANGELIZATION of the world has
not yet been accomplished in entire “REGIONS” on the world. [See posts above for those specific quotes and
references from both Popes.

3. The Church has always taught what St. Paul teaches - that before the very end time events can occur - THAT
THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED. That is the time when the full measure of the
Gentiles who will convert to Christ will have been reached. At that time, the Gentiles will stop coming into
the Church. BUT GENTILES ARE TODAY POURING INTO THE CHURCH IN AFRICA - AND IN CERTAIN PARTS OF
ASIA. So this cannot be the time of the Fullness of the Gentiles.

4. Only after that FULLNESS, can the next foretold sign occur - THE GREAT APOSTACY.

There are many people who try to say because numerous people are leaving the Church today - that this is the Great Apostasy. BUT ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, THE CHURCH, ST. PAUL, ETC., THAT CANNOT HAPPEN TILL THE 2 PREVIOUS SIGNS HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.

5. ONLY AFTER ALL OF THE ABOVE CAN THE ANTICHRIST COME.

6. ONLY AFTER THE ARRIVAL OF THE ANTI-CHRIST, CAN THE MASS CONVERSION OF THE JEWS SPOKEN OF BY ST. PAUL OCCUR.

7. ONLY AFTER ALL OF THAT CAN THE ANTICHRIST BE DESTROYED BY THE BREATH OF JESUS’ MOUTH.

SO TO RECAP - I DID NOT SAY THAT PEOPLE WHO READ THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES ARE ‘RADTRAD’.

I SAID THAT THOSE WHO CLAIM THAT VATICAN II IS INVALID, AND THAT WE HAVEN’T HAD A REAL POPE SINCE 1958 ARE RADTRADS—- PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY KNOW MORE THAN THE MAGISTERIUM - PEOPLE WHO SPEAK AS IF ‘THEY’ THEMSELVES ARE THE MAGISTERIUM, etc., etc.. etc.

RADTRADS ARE ALSO BY DEFINITION - PEOPLE WHO VIRTUALLY IGNORE VAST BODIES OF THE CHURCHS TEACHINGS IN ORDER TO FOSTER THEIR OWN IDEOLOGIES. NOWHERE IS THAT MORE TRUE THAN IN READING THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES. :-) ;-) :-)

ANYONE WHO TRIES TO DO THAT - OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH’S BODY OF TEACHING ABOUT THE ENDTIMES - THEY ARE PEOPLE CAST ADRIFT AT SEA WITH OVERCAST SEAS & WITHOUT ANY COMPASS WITH WHICH TO FIND LAND. THEY WILL DRIFT AIMLESSLY…AND WITH FUTILITY
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All my love in Christ

Desmond

Posted by Nick from Detroit on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 10:48 AM (EST):

@N.D.,“I am wondering what would preclude our Holy Father from consecrating Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, as it is no mystery that he is a ‘Bishop in white’.”
Saint Pope John Paul II consecrated Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart on March 25, 1984, when he consecrated the world to her heart, in union with the world’s bishops, according to Sister Lucia:
https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/Fatima1984.htm
^
Also, read this interesting article on the end of the world from the Catholic point of view:
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/1831/the_end_of_the_world_as_we_know_it.aspx
God Bless!

Posted by Nick from Detroit on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 10:35 AM (EST):

@Chris Awo,“Does it appear so to you? Well I am not too surprised because St. Paul prophesied that in the END-TIME a great delusion will descend and blind many.”
It doesn’t “appear so,” the teachings of the Church are clear and you are contradicting them. Does the Catechism of the Catholic Church “blind many”? See CCC 668-682.
^“Without humility and prayer a Catholic can not discern these dire times.”
Was Pope Benedict XVI “without humility and prayer” when, addressing the “Third Secret” of Fatima, he said, “For those who are curious, I can offer assurance: the Virgin is not engaged in sensationalism, nor in feeding fears, or offering apocalyptic visions. She guides men toward her Son. That is what is essential.”
^“And things are going to get worse over the next year or two.”
Worse than what? Worse than WWII? Worse than WWI? Worse than when Napoleon kidnapped the pope? Worse than when there were 3 men claiming to be pope? Worse than when the barbarians were sacking Rome?Worse than when every apostle, except the Apostle John, abandoned our Lord after His arrest and trial?
Stop worrying about the end-times, Chris. Worry comes from Satan, not God. Proclaiming that we are in the “end-times” will not bring souls to Christ.
God Bless!

Posted by N.D. on Tuesday, Sep 2, 2014 8:25 AM (EST):

Mr.Birch, Christ also said there will be a Great Falling Away; how does recognizing the signs of the Time we are living in make one a “radical” traditionalist?

Our Holy Father Benedict, has read the secret of Fatima, and he knows whether it is genuine or not. I am wondering what would preclude our Holy Father from consecrating Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, as it is no mystery that he is a “Bishop in white”.

Posted by Andrew on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 11:17 PM (EST):

chris awo, The history of Devotion to the Divine Mercy as revealed to St. Sister Faustina is really simple to understand if one reads the Diary of St. Sister Faustina. In that Diary she writes back in the 1930’s that this Devotion would be banned by the Church, but at a time that the world is in greatest need of God’s Mercy the ban would be lifted. The ban was given in 1958 or 1959. Cardinal Carol Wojtywa worked very hard at having the ban lifted. What happened was that when the Diary of St. Faustina was translated from Polish into Latin, it was done by those who did not have sufficient knowledge of the Polish language. Their translation was so flawed that it seemed that St. Faustina was claiming Christ said things that were heretical. A correct translation was made and Rome looking at it anew, found nothing that contradicted the Teachings of the Church. The Ven. Pope Paul Vl lifted the ban. About a month later Cardinal Woytywa was elected to the Papacy and took the name Pope John Paul ll. If the Church has found nothing wrong with this Devotion and has instituted what Our Lord requested, then who are we to question. In Charity I ask that you read the Diary of St. Faustina, I assure you that your love for God and Trust in him will increase to such that you never would have imagined.

Posted by Shestelle on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 9:43 AM (EST):

To Mr. Desmond A Birch,

Thank you very much for the very clarifying post that you sent me! I didn’t know about the book that you wrote TTT+ Looked at library to see it does exist there in the system. It doesn’t! So, I’ll try the inter Library Loan. This usually yeilds at least a College or University Library having the book and willing to loan it.

I’ve also looked at the EWTN information about your credentials as you mentioned above. Thanks for that!
I do believe that the Holy Spirit does lead me to the pertinent people and literature to continue pursuing my life in Christ as a solitary; and to clarify the perplexing confusions that at times come up when reading certain Articles and Blogs input.

Thank you for the little point of guidance provided by you input into this DISCUSSION on the supposed “Fourth Secret of Fatima” by Pat Archbald. His article is excellent. And, I am thankful for this. Though it seems that it’s impossible to get in touch with him for clarifications—his e-mail doesn’t work at all.

Since I do not use TV, FACEBOOK or other types of cell phone communications, only e-mail! And,that can be daunting at times, I should just let it all go;and simply deepen with God’s Grace Faith in Repentence, Prayer, and the Vigilance necessary at each step of the Way!

Again Thank you, in Christ Jesus our Lord, and His Holy Mother,

Shestelle

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 8:21 AM (EST):

Dear Shestelle,

The ONLY reason it went from a discussion of a possible 4th secret of the message at Fatima - to one including attacks on the messages to Sr. Faustina - is the desire of one person in this discussion to introduce the general thread of RADICAL TRADITIONALISTS [RadTrad] into the discussion. He cites right wing dissident sites such as NovusOrdoWatch - thereby demonstrating his hostility to the teachings of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

You asked about authority to teach on this subject. The RadTrad quite obviously has none. I was personally invited to this discussion by Mr. Pat Archbald, the author of the article in question.

He knows of my work in Catholic Eschatology - and recently approached me about my views on a number of related subjects. If you wish to see my credentials to teach on this subject—- you can go to the EWTN Catholic TV Network Library and find a number of the programs I’ve taped for EWTN, or you can also find in their catalogue a copy of my book, ‘Trial, Tribulation & Triumph Before, During and After the Antichrist.’ It’s been used in a number of seminaries to teach; on Catholic Eschatology - and also on rules for spiritual discernment in alleged ‘private revelation’.

All my love in Christ

Desmond

Posted by Shestelle on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 7:22 AM (EST):

Dear Mr Birch and Mr. Awo,

It seems that such controversy exists about the “DIVINE MERCY ” image and devotion! I remember when it was forbidden to have an image of “Divine Mercy” . . . I often wondered about this? asking WHY? I don’t understand how the Roman Catholic Church could have revoked this “forbidinning the image” to installing the World-wide devotion into a Special Sunday—that after Easter/Pascha — as the one dedicated to DIVINE MERCY!

I’ve read much of the sites that have been recommended above . . . and more and more questions are arrising in my mind concerning Mercy and it’s relation to REPENTENCE, Penitence, Confession of Sins and the whole issue about the “ICON or IMAGE” of Jesus represented as DIVINE MERCY!

This article is about the FATIMA SECRETS and the times of tribulation fortold if Russia was not converted.

So Why all of a sudden there is so much emphasis on this “Ïmage of DIVINE Mercy” are the two connected somehow???? that is the FATIMA and the DIVINE MERCY revelations?

This “image” of Jesus having no heart, but having the emphasis of the red and white( bluish) rays of so-called mercy coming from the center of his non-existent heart . . . all of this is very confusing to say the least!!!!!!!
for the sun-of-the-mill person on the streets, whether Catholic or not.

Any emphasis on “Visions” “REVELATIONS” “Iconic Images” as coming from HEAVEN and the “WAY TO GO ” can be very deceptive, creating illusions, heresy, and furthur persecution of Roman Catholics!

MY basic question is: “What is TRUTH” and the emphasis of Gospel of John on this “WORSHIP of God in Spirit and TRUTH”???

Private devotion made to be public devotions almost overnight! We are definite living in very tumultuous and confusing times! And, our warfare is againts SATAN and his minions . . . these wolves in sheep clothing that Jesus speaks about in the Gospel.

He, Jesus, does warn His followers to the “WATCHFUL” with prayer and fasting in this spiritual warfare that is affecting all of us in TODAY’s world. Don’t we need to be more and more “not of this world, while being in it?”

A discussion board cannot answer the deepest questions put forth here by this article concerning the “Secret of Fatima” by Pat Archibald. by the way who is he and by what authority does he write these articles for the Register? He cannot even be contacted by the reference to his website! that some of his thoughts clarified or corrected.

Posted by chris awo on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 5:40 AM (EST):

“Let us remember that it took from 1978 till 2000 (a mere 22 years) for this private devotion (revealed to Sr. Faustina) to go from being an officially-banned private devotion, to one that is an established and compulsory part of the Catholic public liturgy.”
I challenge any supporter of this devotion to cite such a precedent in 2000 year history of the Catholic Church.
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P.S. it took centuries before the devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus became part of Catholic public liturgy.
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Shestelle stay away from the image revealed to Sr. Faustina. Just an advice. God bless.

Posted by chris awo on Monday, Sep 1, 2014 5:27 AM (EST):

Shesttele read this post and then we can talk.
www.iconicjesus.org/home/category/objections-to-devotion-revealed-to-sr-faustina/
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Remember if the wolf does not cover himself sufficiently with sheep’s clothing he would fool no one.

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 10:20 PM (EST):

Dear Shestelle,

Amen. I pray the Jesus Prayer for 15 minutes a day. Many Eastern Rite Catholics have this practice as well.

BTW, the reason the Church put the writings of Sr. Faustina under suspension for a period - was NOT what our RadTrad poster claimed. I knew one of the Polish priests who was quite close to Pope St. John Pope II. He shared the following with me. On John Paul’s first visit to Rome after becoming Archbishop of Krakow, he went to the Prefect of the Congregation which handles such matters as approved Catholic writing, etc. He said to him, ‘The Polish people are very upset that they are not allowed to read the writings of Sr. Faustina. Why were they put under suspension?’

The Prefect, addressing him by his first name said, ‘Karol, the translations into Italian of the writings of Sr. Faustina contained some highly questionable matters. Rome sent 2 requests over a period of years requesting further explanation. Wojtyla [who knew the Polish writings of Sr. Faustina like that back of his hand asked to see some examples. After reading a fair amount he said, ‘This is a terrible translation. Either the translator was deficient in Polish, or Italian, or both.’ Then he asked when these requests for clarification about some of the passages in Sr. Faustina’s writings had been sent to the Krakow Diocese. As it turned out, both requests occurred during the 2nd World War, while Poland was under the occupation of the Hitler’s Nazi armed forces an Gestapo. He told the Prefect this.

The Prefect said to him, ‘karol, go home and get us the proof - and I will personally lift the suspension.

Karol went home. It took time to meticulously gather the proof of the original Polish language texts to take back to Rome.

He did not have all that textual proof till he went back to Rome for the Conclave which elected him Pope in 1978. One of John Paul II’s early acts as Supreme Pontiff was to take the Polish texts of Sr. Faustina, and ACCURATE TRANSLATIONS done by a scholar who was equally at home in both Polish and Italian and personally deliver them to the Prefect of the Congregation. The suspension was immediately lifted.

One of the things I have learned the hard way is to never trust information supplied by either the extreme left or right in the Church. I always check such things out personally. The RadTrads, just like the Extreme Dissidents most usually have the facts wrong - or they’s spun them terribly in order to attach the Magisterium.

When I’m dealing with a RadTrad, I follow my departed daddy’s old adage.; ‘Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see?’

All my love in Christ

Desmond

Posted by Shestelle on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 5:35 PM (EST):

To Chris Awo,

Why do you say: Stay away from the Divine Mercy Devotion of Sister Faustina? This is very confusing it seems. For, the Jesus Prayer of “Lord Jesus Christ have mercy upon me a sinner! Is entirely biblical!

And it has been a legitimate prayer of the Church called the Jesus Prayer!

Posted by chris awo on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 5:07 PM (EST):

Here is Catholic testimonies.
Find below Catholic saints and seers talking about the END-TIME.
http://www.thirdorderofsaintdominic.org/Prophetic Warnings.html
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e.g
“The mission entrusted to Father Luigi Villa by Padre Pio to fight Freemasonry within the Catholic Church was approved by Pope Pius XII who gave a Papal Mandate for his work. Pope Pius XII’s Secretary of State, Cardinal Tardini, gave Father Villa three Cardinals to work with and to act as his own personal ‘guardian angels’: Cardinal Ottaviani, Cardinal Parente, and Cardinal Palazzini. Father Villa worked with these three cardinals until their deaths.

In order to fight this battle, in 1971, Father Villa founded his magazine, “Chiesa Viva” with correspondents and collaborators in every continent. It was immediately attacked by the upper echelon of the Catholic Church: the magazine was ostracized among the clergy and its collaborators were gradually forced to leave. Then they isolated its Director and his few remaining collaborators. The efforts to silence “Chiesa Viva” once and for all also included seven assassination attempts on Father Villa!”
http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Chi___don_Villa_OK_en.pdf

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 4:50 PM (EST):

Dear All,

We now have our answer as to why someone is posting contrary to the teaching of numorous Popes over the last 3 centuries. Someone is posting links to RadTrad sites - sites which question the authenticity of Vatican Council II and to the legitimacy of the Pontificates of every Pope PIUS XII. ;-) ;-) ;-)

These are people who think and act like Protestants - no matter what they may tell/say to you on any given issue.

These people don’t listen to the Magisterium because they think THEY are the Magisterium - defy the Scriptural words of Our Lord that: ‘I shall give to you the keys of the kingdom, and the gates of heaven shall not prevail against you’.

They They question whether there has been any valid Pope since the election of Pope Pius XII in 1939.

THE MASTHEAD ON THE NOVUSORDOWATCH WEBSITE READS

“EXPOSING THE MODERNIST VATICAN II CHURCH”

We have one of those poor misguided wretches posting his anti-Magisterial rot to this site. Pray for him, and hope that he will place his head somewhere to where there is real light.

All my love in Christ

Desmond A. Birch

My Irish forbears have a pithy expressions which tells us how to handle ourselves in the presence of such p

Posted by chris awo on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 4:28 PM (EST):

Please do pray the Rosary and other blessed devotions.
But I beg you stay away from the “Divine Mercy Devotion” revealed to Sr Faustina.
Just an advice. See the relevant links. God bless

Posted by Shestelle on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 4:02 PM (EST):

To Chris Awo:

Why do you say to GER: “I wont do that if I were you. Kindly see links above.”

Are you saying that the book: “The Three Days of Darkness” are delusional; and, that we shouldn’t read it, or get blessed cabdles as well as images of Divine Mercy, and of Our Lady to put in windows. . . etc.”

If someone has this type of Faith in exterior symbold, which is a beginning of Faith, and prays the Rosary and the Chaplet of Divine Mercy are wrong and delusional?

Sometimes in these types of DISCUSSIONS, there is a lot of misunderstanding and the posts just follow one after the other without too much reading of the posts and understanding of what is being said there.

If one prays, the rosary, the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, the Psalms, or other Prayers of Devotion, and also the prayers of the Divine Liturgy of Divine Hours of the Day . . . . and REPENTS of sins, errors, and ignorance in their live, trusting the the Mercy of God upon us all, DO YOU THINK that GOD will by-pass the simple and pure in heart when He passes in the Last Days?

Sometimes I wish that whoever responds to this DISCUSSION would address the person he/she is responding to . . . It seems to me that this would clarify what is being said!

Posted by chris awo on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 3:49 PM (EST):

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Posted by Ger on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 11:31 AM (EDT):

“if you can, get this book, have blessed candles, put the image of Divine Mercy on your doors & windows, & above all, pray The Chaplet of Divine Mercy”
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Ger-
I wont do that if I were you. Kindly see links above. God bless.

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 3:27 PM (EST):

Dear All,

Those who are the most deluded are self-proclaimed Catholics who defy the traditional eschatological teachings of the Church - and specific statements from Pope after Pope that the very end time events simply cannot occur yet because:

1. The evangelization of the whole world - which Jesus specifically stated must precede the very end time events - THAT WORLDWIDE EVANGELIZTION - ACCORDING TO THE TRADITIONAL TEACHING OF THE CHURCH AND SPECIFIC FORMAL TEACHING BY POPE JOHN PAUL II & POPE BENEDICT - HAS NOT YET OCCURRED. POPE JOHN PAUL II STATES SPECIFICALLY THAT HE SEES THE EVANGELIZATION OF ASIA FINALLY BEING COMPLETED IN THE 3RD MILLENNIUM

2. Besides that - the FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES [which will someday follow the whole world finally receiving its initial evangelization - WHICH HAS QUITE OBVIOUSLY NOT OCCURED YET.

3. TO BE FOLLOWED BY THE GREAT APOSTACY. [WHICH HAS NOT OCCURED YET.

All three of those negative events [negative in that they have not occurred yet]

4. Will someday be followed by the advent of the great Antichrist near the end of time.

THE GREATEST ESCHATOLOGICAL DELUSION TODAY - IS TO BE FOUND IN SELF-ANNOINTED EXPERTS WHO DENY AND REFUSE THE CLEAR TEACHINGS OF MANY OF THE POPES OVE THE LAST 3 CENTURIES.

WHEN SUCH TYPES CLAIM THEY ARE CATHOLIC - AND THEN TRY TO PRESENT THEMSELVES AS KNOWING MORE THAN THESE POPES - THEY ARE THE GREATLY DELUDED ONES OF OUR AGE. SATAN HAS A STRONG HOLD ON SUCH WHO WOULD PRESENT THEMSELVES AS EXPERTS KNOWING MORE THAN THE POPES ABOUT THESE THINGS.

All you can do is pray for such - and hope they will turn once again and listen to the voice of the Magisterium - rather than staying in love with the sound of their own.

@Chris Awo,
You continue to contradict the clear teachings of the Catholic Church concerning the end of the world and the Last Judgment.
Why?
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Does it appear so to you? Well I am not too surprised because St. Paul prophesied that in the END-TIME a great delusion will descend and blind many. Without humility and prayer a Catholic can not discern these dire times. And things are going to get worse over the next year or two.
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“The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends upon them a STRONG DELUSION, to make them believe what is false, 12 so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (2 Thessalonians 2 : 9-11)
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That STRONG DELUSION is playing out now. If you cant see it, tell the Lord Jesus (hidden in the Tabernacle) to show it to you.
God bless.

Posted by chris awo on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 2:19 PM (EST):

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Posted by Paul on Monday, Aug 25, 2014 7:55 PM (EDT):

The prophecies of Fatima and La Salette are playing out in our days. I hope you are all prepared now for the Great Warning of Divine Mercy because it is upon us. Pray the Rosary and Divine Mercy Chaplet every day. Live the Mass. www.thewarningsecondcoming.com
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You are right about the message of Fatima. However concerning the secondcoming seer; and the “Divine Mercy Devotion” revealed to St. Faustina, I suggest you study these links before recommending them to other people. The so=called revelations are NOT as they claim to be.
God bless.
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http://iconicjesus.org/home/category/objections-to-devotion-revealed-to-sr-faustina/
http://www.novusordowatch.org/divine-mercy.pdf
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popeleo13.com/pope/2014/06/04/category-archive-message-board-52-false-prophets/

Posted by Ger on Sunday, Aug 31, 2014 10:31 AM (EST):

I can’t believe it’s taken me so long, but I have just discovered a prayer that makes the prophecies something to fear less. That prayer is “The Seven Dolors of the Blessed Virgin Mary”. What is comforting about this prayer is that one of the promises is that if you say & spread this prayer to others, you will “be taken from this earthly life straight to Heaven” according to Our Lady. Recently, I have been reading the book “The Three Days of Darkness” & the above prophesies fit with the book. Sadly, with all the fighting going on in the world & the 100th year anniversary of Our Lady’s appearance in Fatima coming in 2017, I wonder if something will occur that day? In the Three Days of Darkness (which is the scariest book I’ve ever read) Our Lady tells us what to do, & not do. Ten huge strikes of lightning will strike one after the other, which marks the beginning of the 3 days. We are not to look out the windows, & definitly not open the door to ‘ANYONE AT ALL’. Demons will take on the voices of our friends, etc., to get us to open the door, only to be killed. Please, if you can, get this book, have blessed candles, put the image of Divine Mercy on your doors & windows, & above all, pray The Chaplet of Divine Mercy, the Holy Rosary, & the Seven Sorrows (Dolors) of the Blessed Virgin. We will then have nothing to fear. Jesus & Mary will protect those who do what they say. “Pray, Pray, Pray” as Our Lady requests. Peace be with all of you.

Posted by Shestelle on Saturday, Aug 30, 2014 3:16 PM (EST):

During a pilgrimage to Fatima in 2010, Pope Benedict said, “It is mistaken to think that Fatima’s prophetic mission is completed.”

It is now 2014, and I believe that the prophetic words of the Secret of Fatima, that is the one that is supposed to have been read at the Vatican and relayed to the world, has not been done so completely! It is too difficult for the mind to comprehend what the words hold! And the Holy Father, carried this to the grave, didn’t he, that is John Paul. As for Benedict 16th, did he read the entirety of the SECRET to be revealed? or does he NOW know that it is being fulfilled in these days whether we know it or not! “Nobody knows the day or the hour” Jesus said, except the Father in Heaven ( GOD )

We must ask ourselves: Am I ready, watchful and at prayer, as Jesus says in Scripture. Do we realize that the “Negative Forces” cannot overpower the Positive, Holy Spirit of God! ? Let us put all fear behind us, and look to Christ Jesus in Watchfulness and Prayer, trusting and believing in His WORD: “I am with you “till the end of the world!”

Has Russia truly been consecrated to Our Lady as she requested? Or has this Consecration only been done half-heartedly as to not bring a greated catastrophe upon us all? Let us pray the ROSARY, the JESUS PRAYER,
REPENT of our evil ways; and, finally follow the WAY pointed out by Jesus Christ and repeatedly revealed by Our Lady throughout history?

Shestelle

Posted by Nick from Detroit on Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014 3:16 PM (EST):

@Chris Awo,
You continue to contradict the clear teachings of the Catholic Church concerning the end of the world and the Last Judgment.
Why?

Posted by felizardo tanada on Tuesday, Aug 26, 2014 9:00 AM (EST):

Do not forget the great two commandments of God the Son,Jesus. It’s our only hope,and if not then we are late. Lord, your will be done. May the Lord forgive us.

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Monday, Aug 25, 2014 7:22 PM (EST):

Dear Randal,

Speaking of the alleged ‘rapture’ - you observed;

when the Rapture occurs (pre-tribulation, post-tribulation) doesn’t matter. More than likely, it will occur when we die.

At the end, you hit the nail on the head. All the fathers and doctors of the Church who discuss the Scriptural descriptions of a scenario when 2 will be involved in some activity, one will be “lifted up”, the other will be “left behind” - is very simply a description of THE SUDDENNESS OF THE 2ND COMING OF CHRIST. Those who have died in God’s friendship [traditionally referred to as being in the State of Grace] - they will be lifted up from the faces of the earth. The ones who will be left behind are those who died having ultimately rejected God’s love and friendship.

I’ll share with you a humorous story about that. When I was being interviews on EWTN’s Bookmark show about ‘Trial, Tribulation & Triumph], the interviewer, Doug Keck, ask me after my description of who those were who would be ‘lifted up’ - ‘Then what happens to the ones who are left behind.’
I thought for a second and replied, “They’re going to be ‘crispy critters’. i.e They are hell-bound.

The Catholic Church has alway taught that these events are descriptions of what happens immediately before the final judgment.

If you wish to listen on youtube to the audio of that 1/2 hour program on EWTN, here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9kQG7NsoX8

All my love in Christ

Desmond A. Birch

Posted by Paul on Monday, Aug 25, 2014 6:55 PM (EST):

The prophecies of Fatima and La Salette are playing out in our days. I hope you are all prepared now for the Great Warning of Divine Mercy because it is upon us. Pray the Rosary and Divine Mercy Chaplet every day. Live the Mass. www.thewarningsecondcoming.com

Posted by Randall Bowers on Monday, Aug 25, 2014 6:28 PM (EST):

Much of this debate about the third secret (and possibly fourth) seems to be the Catholic version of the Rapture.

As I remind my Protestant friends, when the Rapture occurs (pre-tribulation, post-tribulation) doesn’t matter. More than likely, it will occur when we die.

“It was for this reason that John Paul II wrote: “The mission of Christ the Redeemer, which is entrusted to the Church, is still very far from completion”, and he added: “an overall view of the human race shows that this mission is still only beginning and that we must commit ourselves wholeheartedly to its service” (Encyclical Redemptoris Missio, n. 1).

NOW BENEDICT HIMSELF CONTINUES AFTER THE QUOTE FROM REDEMPTORIS MISSIO:”
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There’s a great deal of talk here about purging and chastisements—- and granted—-the world has taken the wrong direction in just about every area and most of us recognize it certainly needs to be freed from the web it has woven trapping good and bad alike, but I don’t think we need to be like Jonah, sitting and waiting, perturbed with God who changed His mind and decided not to destroy Ninevah because there was sincere repentence.
I see hope in the words Christ spoke to Sister Lucia as a reassurance—-becaue if it was a reassurance for her shouldn’t it also be for us?

‘in time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic. Heaven in eternity!’ He is telling her—-IT WILL HAPPEN—-in time, but we are going to have to cooperate and work for it.

No other religion is mentioned—-only “Catholic.” What Sister Lucia saw as a whirling vortex of people and things disappearing could have been seen “through God’s eyes”—-and therefore—-500 years of our created time might be a mere second for God in His uncreated time. So, “in time” all that is not “one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic—-etc.” will disappear from the earth because it is the Will of God—-it will be cast aside in favor of only one religion, one Covenant, Christ’s apostolic Church. It will no doubt, be a battle at times, sufferiing and sacrifice will be required, Satan is tenacious. But unbelievers, enemies of Christ and the Church will disappear through the Truth of Christ and His Teaching.

God did not give His only Begotten Son for mankind’s redemption—- to suffer untold humiliation and pain to redeem us—-just to throw in the sponge 2,000 years later and suffer defeat at Satan’s hands——NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!!! If you believe that will happen, you have no concept of the unfathomable Love, Power, Goodness, Mercy, Justice and Righteousness of God.

When God destroys His creation, earth or man, it will be because He wants to or because it is time—-not because the evil of “man” or “Satan” made Him do it.”

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Saturday, Aug 23, 2014 2:31 PM (EST):

Dear All,

When someone claiming to be Catholic refuses to receive instruction and learn from multiple Popes who have spoken on the same subject - all you can do for them is pray.

Jesus did NOT say ‘the Gospel will be preached on every Continent”.

JESUS SAID: MT 24:14 AND THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM WILL BE PREACHED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE WORLD, AS A TESTIMONY TO ALL NATIONS; AND THEN THE END WILL COME.”

As numerous Popes have commented upon this passage, Nations does not mean continents, it means nations/tribes/cultures, etc. Read Redemptoris Missio by JP II. He makes all of this clear, and states that for some reason the Gospel has not been preached in all of Asia - the Continent upon which Jesus mission began. JP II goes on to say that he “sees” the Evangelization of Asia being finally being completed sometime in “the 3rd Millennium. As Pope Benedict points out - entire regions still have not received their “first evangelization”.

Those who refuse to listen to the teaching of the Popes can only be prayed for. When you see someone like that with their eyes closed tightly shut & their fingers in their ears when Popes speak, who stamp their feet and contumeliously refuse to listen to the voice of the Papacy…you have an absolute moral obligation to pray for them…for they are not in synch with Holy Mother Church.

All my love in Christ

Desmond

Posted by chris awo on Saturday, Aug 23, 2014 1:42 PM (EST):

Please, can someone name one single continent, or country on this planet where the name of the Lord Jesus is not known or has never been preached?

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 9:43 PM (EST):

Dear Andrew,

You are quite Welcome. & I wish Fr. Hardon were still with us to personally answer that question, but he’s been gone to his reward since the end of 2000.

All my love in Christ

Desmond A. Birch

Posted by Andrew on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 9:32 PM (EST):

Desmond A. Birch, Thank you for that information. I copied and pasted your response, as this is very important to me. God Bless.

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 9:19 PM (EST):

Certainly, Andrew,

I shall repair to Fr. John Hardon’s ‘Modern Catholic Dictionary’. Fr. Hardon [whom I knew] was asked by Pope Paul VI asked Fr. Hardon to prepare a post-conciliar/modern English language Catholic Dictionary. There was great confusion amongst Catholic ranks - particularly in many English countries at that time as to many aspects of the Catholic Church. John Hardon was at that time eminently one of the most erudite and faithful Catholic & speaking scholars in the 70’s. Fr. Hardon did the Holy Father’s bidding then and produced his ‘Modern Catholic Dictionary’. He did the same thing when Paul VI suggested to him and English language Catholic Catechism. That was the English language Catechism I used almost exclusively till the ‘Catechism of the Catholic Church was promulgated by Pope John Paul II almost 20 years later. Well, to the definitions:

MAGISTERIUM, EXTRAORDINARY
The Church’s teaching office exercised in a solemn way, as in formal declarations of the Pope or of ecumenical councils of bishops approved by the Pope. When the extraordinary magisterium takes the form of papal definitions or conciliar decisions binding on the consciences of all the faithful in matters of faith and morals, it is infallible.

MAGISTERIUM, ORDINARY
The teaching office of the hierarchy under the Pope, exercised normally, that is, through the regular means of instructing the faithful. These means are all the usual channels of communication, whether written, spoken, or practical. When the ordinary magisterium is also universal, that is, collectively intended for all the faithful, it is also infallible.

Posted by Andrew on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 8:57 PM (EST):

Desmond A. Birch, You speak of the, “EXTRAORDINARY MAGISTERIUM” and the “ORDINARY MAGISTERIUM”, what are these two. Thank you.

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 6:23 PM (EST):

I have a colleague who is a close friend of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI - whom I shall ask to share this quote with Benedict… WHO TAUGHT FORMALLY THAT THERE ARE REGIONS OF THE EARTH WHICH HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED THEIR FIRST EVANGELIZATION.

That statement which is duplicated in statements of numerous other Popes - is based upon the Church records in the Archives of the Vatican - which quite literally run for miles of shelves = which carefully catalogue and document all the places within which the Church’s missionaries have evangelized. The Popes who assure us that there are still regions of the earth which have not yet received their initial evangelization have full access to all those record - and report upon their contents.

[Pope Emeritus Benedict’s reputation as one of the two best Papal theologians of the 20th century and one of the finest in the history of the Church is well-earned. When he speaks, I have always listened - as I understand the reality that when Popes speak - whether they are speaking within the voice of the EXTRAORDINARY MAGISTERIUM, OR THE ORDINARY MAGISTERIUM - that members of the Faithful such are myself are to respectfully learn from them.]

Posted by chris awo on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 5:49 PM (EST):

for those who still don’t believe that we are in the End-Times; and that we are two or three popes away from the return of the Lord Jesus (all a matter of a few decades), I have this quotation:
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“ Then Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah came near and slapped Micaiah on the cheek, and said, “Since when did the Spirit of the Lord leave me to speak to you?”
25 And Micaiah said, “Behold, you shall see on that day when you go into an inner chamber to hide yourself.”
(1 Kings 22 v 24-25)

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 4:49 PM (EST):

You are trying to place your opinion of whether the Gospel has been preached throughout the entire word - against the formal proclamations of both John Paul II, and most specifically Pope Benedict XVI - who specifically quotes Pope JP II on this and then adds that there are entire regions of the earth which haven’t yet received their initial evangelization.:
“There are regions of the world that are still awaiting a first evangelization;”

I don’t know many people who would place any non-papal member of the faithful’s personal opinion on this subject alongside that of numerous Popes!!!

In addition to that, while it is only a matter of private prophecy, virtually every Pope since Pius XII has positively commented upon MART’S PROMISEat Fatima that before the end, that
‘My Immaculate Heart will triumph, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.”
THIS IS ONLY A TINY SMATTERING OF EVIDENCE THAT THE CHURCH BELIEVES THAT THE ANTICHRIST IS NOT JUST AROUND THE CORNER…THAT AGE OF PEACE, AND THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES, STILL MUST PRECEDE THE GREAT APOSTASY, PRIOR TO THE ANTICHRIST.
Try reading Trial, Tribulation & Triumph, Before, During and After the Antichrist. You’ll learn in some depth what the Church teaches on this subject.

Desmond A. Birch

Posted by Jack on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 4:14 PM (EST):

@Desmond A. Birch
I disagree. The Gospel has been preached everywhere at least once in the history.
Of course, if you include in the countries where the Gospel has not been preached those countries formerly christianized but where ALL the christians were obliged by death threats to convert to another religion, like this happened in northern Africa, preaching the Gospel will never cease until the World’s end.
There were many christians in Saudi Arabia in the beginning of the first millenary, all have disappeared now. In Irak and in Syria, that same process currently is ongoing by the force of the jihadists. Probably not one christian will remain within a few years. The number of coptic christians is weakening every year in Egypt too.
Not speaking of the current apostasy in Europe which makes of this regions a new land for the catholic missions to teach the Gospel.
An so on…
In my opinion the most clear sign preceding the end times is a new powerful state of Israël existing now after 2000 years the elected people had been scattered throughout the World.

Posted by Andrew on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 11:13 AM (EST):

After the third secret was revealed in the year 2000, the question was put to Cardinal Bertone, “Did Sister Lucia have other visions that have not been made known? Bertone answered that there were other visions. If not mistaken I believe he published those other visions in Italian. I have been waiting for an English translation. Does anyone know if it was ever translated into English and if so, how can one obtain a copy?

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 10:19 AM (EST):

The signs of the end which must precede the very end times, they are found in the words of our Lord in the Gospels, AND, in St. Paul.

The very first of those signs which must precede the end has not yet been attained - not according to Pope Pius XII, John Paul II, and Pope Benedict. They all observed that the very first time sign had not yet been achieved, namely, the Gospel being preached through the whole world. Jesus gave that as the sign which must precede all the others

Quoting Popes JP II & Benedict XVI at the same time on this point should be sufficient for any reasonable person:

The following is from an allocution by Pope Benedict XVI

PAPAL MASS ON THE
SOLEMNITY OF THE HOLY APOSTLES PETER AND PAUL
FIRST VESPERS
HOMILY OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI
Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls
Sunday, 28 June 2010

We begin in the middle of P. Benedict’s teaching for the absolute need for Evanglization now, in the 3rd Millennium:

“there is a deeper hunger that only God can satisfy. Human beings of the third millennium want an authentic, full life; they need truth, profound freedom, love freely given. Even in the deserts of the secularized world, man’s soul thirsts for God, for the living God.
It was for this reason that John Paul II wrote: “The mission of Christ the Redeemer, which is entrusted to the Church, is still very far from completion”, and he added: “an overall view of the human race shows that this mission is still only beginning and that we must commit ourselves wholeheartedly to its service” (Encyclical Redemptoris Missio, n. 1).

NOW BENEDICT HIMSELF CONTINUES AFTER THE QUOTE FROM REDEMPTORIS MISSIO:

“There are regions of the world that are still awaiting a first evangelization;”

THE ABOVE IS FROM:
PAPAL MASS ON THE
SOLEMNITY OF THE HOLY APOSTLES PETER AND PAUL
FIRST VESPERS
HOMILY OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI
Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls
Sunday, 28 June 2010

Both of those Popes laid it out clearly that the whole world had not yet received its initial evangelization. Till that happens, according to our Lord Jesus Christ, the final events cannot happen.

Over the years I have watched as some people twisted and squirmed at these words - BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BELIEVE THAT AN END TO THE CURRENT SUFFERING WOULD BE ENDED BY THE COMING OF THE ANTICHRIST AND THE OTHER ENDTIME EVENTS.

As my sainted Daddy used to say, “If wishes were horses, beggars would ride”

It is time to get down to the real hard work of the New Evangelization and the Evangelization Ad Gentes, and to get our heads out of the wish clouds. We’re here for the long haul, brothers and sisters. It is not for the faint hearted - it calls for Christains who will listen to Peter, and get down to prayer and appropriate work.

Desmond A. Birch

Posted by chris awo on Friday, Aug 22, 2014 9:02 AM (EST):

The end has come.
The Book of Revelations say it. Many Catholic Seers have prophesied it. The signs of the time point to it. Anyone who does not see these things is like the Ostrich everyone knows about with its head in the ground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
http://prophetamos3m.com/7.html
http://popeleo13.com/pope/category/a-passionate-appeal-to-the-italian-people/
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By the way the clouds are already gathering.
The Lord Jesus returns within a generation and half a generation.
Let us all remember the Fatima prayers and the Leonine prayers we need them in the trying times on the way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_Prayers

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 7:59 PM (EST):

Two observations:

1. The greatest prophesied ‘Chastisement’ of them all will be the great Tribulation at the time of the Antichrist. I believe in that ‘chastisement’ as an article of my Catholic Faith. I doubt greatly that me or anyone I know will live to see it. And it is clear that the great majority of the suffering will be endured by the Christians of that time. That one is based upon ‘Public Prophecy’ - which Catholics are bound to accept in faith. The only way anyone claiming to be Christian could gloat about that would be if they had failed/refused to ever read the descriptions of it in the Apocalypse, the Book of Revelation.

2. The prophecies from dozens of Church-approved ‘private’ prophecies which foretell a ‘conditional’ Chastisement - no Catholic is bound in any way to accept. The Church also cautions that if anyone refuses to accept an alleged ‘private’ prophecy from a Church-approved source - setting themselves up as a judge higher than the Church - for reasons of pride or arrogance - that is sinful - but so are all other examples of excessive pride.
Additionally, anyone who looks forward to the the ‘Minor Chastisement’ [not to be confused with the Great Tribulation at the time of Antichrist] thinking that it is only bad people who will suffer - likewise, they have no read, or understood, that the prophecies make it abundantly clear that massive numbers of the faithful will suffer through it - through martyrdom, starvation, disease, some from natural disasters. They also have failed to read the Scriptural warning, ‘Do not wish for a chastisement, because you don’t know what you are wishing for.’ They also do not understand that one of the main reasons a Chastisement will come [if it does] is because not a sufficient number of the faithful are leading lives of heroic voluntary suffering to avert it. That is made quite clear by the Canonized Saints, Blessed, Venerable, and other holy souls who are approved by the Church - i.e. the Church has declared there is nothing contrary to faith and morals in their alleged ‘revelations’.

Desmond A. Birch

Posted by Mary Elizabeth on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 7:36 PM (EST):

A common characteristic of many cults is the belief that outsiders are going to suffer a “great chastisement” for their transgressions against the supreme power that protects the members of the cult. It is part of the “us vs. them” mentality that supports control by cult authorities. I often get the feeling when I read about the promise of a great chastisement that the people who believe without question that it is going to happen are kind of looking forward to it, and will be bitterly disappointed if it does not happen, at least not in their lifetimes.

Posted by Nick from Detroit on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 5:27 PM (EST):

Oops! That should have been: “then all I can ask is do YOU know what calumny means?”

Posted by Nick from Detroit on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 5:24 PM (EST):

@Jack,
If your comment was directed at me, Nick from Detroit, then all can ask is do know what calumny means? Because you are making false accusations without any proof. I, on the other hand, have a link with the letter that Fr. Robert J. Fox received from Sr. Lucia, herself. Was he also lying? Along with EWTN, which posted it on it’s website?
Everyone knows that Saint Pope John Paul II consecrated the world (which includes Russia) in union with the world’s bishops according to the wishes of Our Lady. The Soviet Union broke-up less than a decade later.
Coincidence? God Bless!

Posted by Jack on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 4:04 PM (EST):

@Richard
Sr Lucy said that the Consecration of Russia had been completed, OK, but she was ORDERED to say so by the Vatican.
The late Abbé de Nantes was told by the bishop of Leiria/Fatima that he himself conveyed to Sr Lucy that order from the Vatican and also to shut up.

Posted by Kevin Symonds on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 3:30 PM (EST):

To Mr. Birch:

My E-mail address is: desiderium.kevin@gmail.com

I look forward to hearing from you.

Posted by Nick from Detroit on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 1:06 PM (EST):

@Howard,
A minor correction. The destruction of the Temple, in A.D. 70, was miraculous, since it fulfilled the prophecy of Christ, when He said, “Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another, that will not be thrown down” (Mt.24:2).
Also, there were several miraculous signs witnessed throughout Judea leading up to the Jewish Revolt (A.D. 66-70), such as seeing chariots in the clouds circling the cities. Josephus records other miraculous signs in his Jewish Wars, Bk. 6, Ch.5, para. 3. Read more, here:
http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/war-6.htm
^
@Richard,
Sister Lucia repeatedly said that the consecration of Russia was completed on March 25, 1984, as Our Lady requested:
https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/Fatima1984.htm
God Bless!

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 12:24 PM (EST):

FOR KEVIN SYMONDS,

I WOULD BE WILLING TO CONTACT YOU PRIVATELY. IF YOU LIVE IN UK, IT IS NOW PROBABLY APPROACHING 6:30 IN THE EVENING THERE. SO I SUPPOSE I SHOULD POST THIS IMMEDIATELY. :-)

All my love in Christ

Desmond A. Birch

Posted by Kevin Symonds on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 12:00 PM (EST):

Mr. Birch,

Hello. Would you mind contacting me? I would like to speak with you privately. If you agree, please reply here and I went then post my E-mail.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,
-Kevin Symonds

Posted by Keith on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 11:01 AM (EST):

Bracing, to say the least. And not reported very much. Thanks for this.

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 8:57 AM (EST):

Dear All,

The Church NEVER guarantees the content of the words of locutions, or the impressions of seers who receive visions, etc. It is a solid point of spiritual theology that; All the Church does when she approves an alleged mystic, is to guarantee that there is nothing contrary to faith or morals in the ‘content’ of what they express they were told, perceived, or concluded.

So, it is hardly surprising that the Church would reaffirm that principle in relation to Fatima, or any other site of some extraordinary charism.

Desmond A. Birch

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 8:48 AM (EST):

Dear Chris & All,

TWO POINTS:

ONE - If there is to be a chastisement of discernible proportions [& some say/claim it is already upon us in its initial stages]—- the breadth of Church approved prophecies over the last 1500 years makes it abundantly clear that its severity is at every moment determined by the dispositions of significant numbers of mankind.

Those prophecies make it clear that such a chastisement can for the most part be averted or ameliorated at any given moment by sufficient correspondence with grace. I can only stand in judgment of my own correspondence with grace, and even there as the old expression from spiritual theology goes, ‘You can’t take your own spiritual temperature.’

Only a well trained and qualified spiritual director can reasonably accurately do that. At this moment, if sufficient numbers of practicing Catholics say ‘yes’ to God totally taking over direction of their lives - the chastisement can be avoided. It’s very existence let alone it’s severity is up to every one of us. It is NOT written in stone.

TWO - I contacted an old friend in ‘Western Europe’ - well connected at the highest Church levels for many years, and anything but credulous or gullible. I asked this person’s opinion of the state of this question. I shall quote it only in part, as some of it was personal;

“Desmond, I don’t know how much you know about this controversy and it is very ugly and a disservice ... and I attach a doc. about Cardinal B, our friend and others. ... Sometimes certain things are better kept from public curiosity, specially if there is no way to be certain of what transpired.”

This person is a confrere, theologically solidly trained by the Church, travels to Rome often for conferencing, and is well known and highly trusted by me due to years of proven fidelity to Christ, the Church, and the truth.

I have traveled a number of times to Rome, primarily to meet with with contacts in the CDF and other disciplinary bodies of the Church. There are men there I would gladly trust with my life. There are others I would not turn my back on in an alley even if I was the only one holding a knife. :-)

There is nothing wrong with expressing opinions about matters - even if they are way above my head. The only serious problem if and when I do that - is if I pass judgment on the hearts of others. Their public acts can be condemned—- if stated charitably. But if and when I cross the line into trying to pass judgment on their motives - what is in their hearts—- well, Jesus clearly describes for us the gravity of such an act/offense.

Desmond

Posted by chris awo on Thursday, Aug 21, 2014 8:20 AM (EST):

Who is telling the truth about the message of Fatima and who is lying (or being economical with the truth)?
Whatever the case may be the chastisements are on the way. Hopefully, we will all repent before they arrive.
www.popeleo13.com/pope/category/harvest-of-plagues/

Socci and quite a few others live in a Fatima fantasy land in support of their allegation that there is an unpublished part of the third secret. Apparently it is not enough for them that the entire truth about the third part of the secret was released by Cardinal Ratzinger on 26 June 2000, fully endorsed by Sister Lucia, and is included in the latest edition of FATIMA IN LUCIA’S OWN WORDS. If you can doubt Cardinal Ratzinger and Sr Lucia - chosen expressly by Our Lady - why should anyone believe Socci in their place ? Compliance by the Church with the requests of Our Lady, following the example of St John Paul II and Benedict XVI, is another issue.

Posted by Kevin Symonds on Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 5:08 PM (EST):

What follows is speculation from a news article. Let us be mindful that this new book is not in English translation and we do not have a complete picture….

If I am not mistaken, Socci’s assertion was based upon the work of Fr. Paul Kramer (now a sedevacantist).

If I recall correctly from Kramer’s book, Kramer did not argue a separate text written at a separate time. He argued two texts written at the same time. Unless I misread Socci’s book, I believe he upheld this assertion as well.

This is important to note because if that assertion is what Kramer/Socci argued, then they were wrong.

If in the early 1940s Our Lady told Sister Lucia NOT to write down what she was given to understand of the vision’s meaning, then there could NOT be two texts from the early 40s, one with the vision, the other with the meaning.

If the above is true, then what is necessary is some fine-tuning of Kramer/Socci’s argument.

If what is claimed in this new book is true, then there is indeed more to the so-called third secret (not a fourth, but a fuller rendition of the third) than what has been indicated by the Vatican. Kramer/Socci would thus be correct to assert there was more. They would be wrong, however, to assert that Sister wrote two texts at the same time.

What we must resolve now is a profound question: Did Sister Lucia ever write down what she was given to understand of the vision? If so, where is this document? Does it still exist? If not, what happened to it and why was it destroyed, lost, mishandled, etc.?

Things to think about.

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 3:53 PM (EST):

The vast majority of already Church-approved ‘private revelations’ state starkly that the vast majority [not all - just most] of sufferings to be endured during an upcoming CONDITIONAL chastisement—- the vast majority will be caused by men of bad will—- and an enduring lack of charity on the part of much of the populace.

Should such ‘pre-conditions’ be met, there will be an observable lack of gentile behavior - even amongst many ‘Catholics’. i.e. As Cardinal Newman observed, ‘A gentleman is someone who can disagree without being disagreeable.

As we look around at the contemporary ‘West’, or the entire world, how much civility do we see - even amongst Catholics. I am in my early 70’s, and I can remember a time when inter-communication even amongst active Catholics was much more civil - much more civil.

Mother Theresa used to observe that nothing much is going to improve until we Catholics are clearly discernible for public example of civility and good will. If we can do it - it will sooner or later become infectious amongst a significant portion of our civilization.

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 3:43 PM (EST):

I was under the impression that Mr. Archbold’s article was about a possible 4th secret. There is substantial meat for a very serious discussion of the issue.

Posted by Jack on Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 3:20 PM (EST):

Attn Desmond A. Birch
OK, God will not destroy again the Earth by a flood like in Noah’s time, but he will probably chastize a great part of the sinful mankind through fire, either natural fire like volcanoes or mega meteors or man-made nuclear fire.

Posted by Jack on Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 3:08 PM (EST):

Those who are clinging desperately to the party’s line of the 3rd Secret revealed in its entirety by the Vatican in 2000 are fewer and fewer.
There are too many inconsistencies, contradictions, even lies in the long string of the events surrounding the 3rd Secret from the apparitions of 1917 until its purported unveiling in 2000.
One must remember the press communiqué that was released by the Vatican on feb 8th 1960:
“Although the Church recognizes the Fatima apparitions, She does not desire to take the responsibility of guaranteeing the veracity of the WORDS the three shepherd children said that the Virgin Mary had addressed to them.”
Here is the first hand acknowledgement by the Vatican that only a part of the 3rd Secret has been unveiled since the 1960 communiqué speaks of “WORDS the Virgin adressed…” .
Where are these WORDS? In the part unveiled in 2000 there are no WORDS of the Virgin.
In addition, why did the Vatican declined to unveil the 3rd Secret in feb 1960 with such contemptuous terms questioning its veracity, if it was to unveil that Secret in 2000 WITHOUT a similar comment? Could the “veracity” of the Secret be better guaranteed in 2000 than in 1960?

Posted by Desmond A. Birch on Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 1:18 PM (EST):

Dear Patrick & All,

Several people have observed that God’s Public Promise that he would never again “destroy the earth” by means of a flood is not violated by what has been presented in the alleged 4th Secret.

The exact words in Genesis of God’s Covenant/Promise to Noah and all those others who came out of he arc - and to their descendants are found Gen 9:11 RSV Catholic Edition, Ignatius Press;

“I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall ALL FLESH be cut off by the waters of a flood, and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

What was promised is NOT that there will be no more floods. The specific promise is that never again will the be a flood of such proportions as to kill ALL FLESH, or TO DESTROY THE EARTH.

NOR IS IS VIOLATED BY THE OBSERVATIONS OF POPE JOHN PAUL II IN FULDA WHEN ASKED BY A REPORTER ABOUT THE 3RD SECRET OF FATIMA - WHICH I CITE IMMEDIATELY BELOW:

The Holy Father was asked, “What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?”

Pope John Paul II replied: “Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.

“On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood WHOLE AREAS of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired.”

The Pope continued: “Many wish to know simply from curiosity and a taste for the sensational, but they forget that knowledge also implies responsibility. They only seek the satisfaction of their curiosity, and that is dangerous if at the same time they are not disposed to do something, and if they are convinced that it is impossible to do anything against evil.”

At this point the Pope grasped a Rosary and said: “Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing more. Leave everything else to the Mother of God.”

The Holy Father was then asked: “WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE CHURCH?’

He answered: “WE MUST PREPARE OUTSELVES TO SUFFER GREAT TRIALS BEFORE LONG, SUCH AS WILL DEMAND OF US A DISPOSITION TO GIVE UP EVEN LIFE,...”

WHAT IS DISCUSSED IN THE ALLEGED 4TH SECRET - AND JP II’s veiled revelation about additional information about ‘secrets’ of Fatima - he introduces with the word - “IF”. That can be interpreted a number of ways. it could mean, “I’ve seen it but I’m not going to give you direct quotes.” It could mean, “I’ve heard it but I haven’t actually seen it with my own eyes.” [This last interpretation does not seem likely. JP II was a cautious man about who and what he quoted.]

AGAIN, THE CENTRAL POINT IS - THERE IS NOTHING IN THE ALLEGED TEXT OF AN ALLEGED 4TH SECRET WHICH VIOLATES GOD’S COVENANT WITH NOAH AND HIS AND THE OTHER SURVIVORS OF THE FLOOD’S PROGENY. THERE IS NOTHING IN JP II’s WORDS AT FULDA WHICH VIOLATE THE COVENANT WITH NOAH.

All my love in Christ

Desmond

Posted by TLB on Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 7:58 AM (EST):

Yes, ‘The Storm Must Come’ as quoted by our Blessed Mother. In order that God may establish his kingdom on earth, the evil and the ‘glorification of evil’ so prevalent in the world must be wiped clean. Evil has grown because of a void, an absence of God in the world. God will rectify this situation by eventually destroying the evil. The ‘storm’ is coming.

Posted by Gabriel on Wednesday, Aug 20, 2014 6:13 AM (EST):

This is an interesting explanation. I know that there are those who know from the consensus of visionaries about such things as the on-going mass apostasy and the purification and the new Pentecost. Then they look at the third secret and expect it all to be spelled out in detail. Actually, it is all there symbolically, so the idea that there is a further explanation (written down by Sister Lucy) is possible. For example, the city in ruins is based on a classical image of the Church as a city, the apostasy is in the corpses (spiritually dead), the children see God as in a mirror (which is the purification that leads to the new Pentecost which is already indicated in what was already published “my Immaculate Heart will triumph and a time of peace will be granted.”) Only a spiritual renewal would make such a time of peace possible.

Posted by Richard on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 11:37 PM (EST):

Anniem, I don’t think popes were liars, but it is possible that they were lied to, misled, that there were cover-ups they were not aware of, etc. The smoke of satan has entered the church and not all of the bishops anad cardinals operate in the light. Satan works very hard to destroy them or win them over.

The popes could have also bowed to political pressure believing it prudent not to disclose certain items… saints are not perfect and perhaps some feared making the consecrations (or releasing the messages)exactly as requested… saints did not have flawless faith… nobody is perfect!

Posted by Richard on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 11:29 PM (EST):

I have often wondered: Is this what the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary looks like? as I watch the world sink deeper and deeper into darkness and sin…

This current darkness cannot be the fruit of Our Lady’s Fatima request and promise being fulfilled! Don’t you think that the Triumph would be much more noticeable and prompt?! (had the consecration been accomplished faithfully as requested by Our Lady)

www.locutions.org has some interesting messages… posted by Msgr. Esseff related to the Fatima consecration. Please check them out… especially the most recent messages.

Apparently, the consecration has NEVER been completed exactly as requested by Our Lady… and has been attempted numerous times, but never as requested.

Posted by Roger Conley on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 10:46 PM (EST):

In certain parts of the Church there is a great love of this two parts of the Third Secret thing. I guess I’m stupid because I can’t figure how this blog post supports the idea that the Third Secret has two parts. Father Apostoli’s book Fatima for Today was published in 2012.That’s after 2006. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t support this two parts of the Third Secret idea. He’s a smart guy familiar with the sources. I hope somebody who is a true scholar of Fatima comes forward to explain whatever is being discussed here.

Posted by anniem on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 7:58 PM (EST):

Seems there will always be those who think the recent Popes, including canonized ones, were all liars and refused to give up the whole secret. Am so tired of these “alleged” revelations. Are we not to be satisfied with our beautiful Catholic Faith and stop hungering for more gossip? Some of us are starting to sound like the “National Enquirer” if that rag is still around. If we all went to Mass frequently, did Adoration, daily, prayed the rosary and tried to convert our wayward relatives and friends we would have more than enough for several lifetimes to accomplish. Of course Our Lady’s requests have not been fulfilled. The Five First Saturdays and all Catholics praying the rosary has yet to be accomplished. We all have work to do!

Posted by Howard on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 4:36 PM (EST):

So what we have is what might or might not be a private revelation, kept secret, incompletely disclosed, and translated so poorly that it makes no sense whatsoever. The result: people read into it whatever they want. “It’s a chastisement on the way!” Of course—but probably NOT a miraculous chastisement. Miraculous chastisements are very, very, very rare. When was the last one? The Plagues of Egypt? The sack of Jericho? The sack of the Temple was not miraculous when done either by the Babylonians or the Romans. Let’s face it: we are now facing multiple imminent crises, including a fiscal crisis, a moral crisis, and an educational crisis (K-12 education has failed, and the universities are rapidly becoming diploma mills). We could have an infectious disease crisis, or a natural disaster crisis, or a technology-destroying EMP at any time. Loyalty is now determined by bribes and threats, and although Caesar is fast running out of the money necessary for bribes, he has enough to threaten like never before. Special revelation is not needed to tell us to REPENT and PRAY, nor to be prepare for the consequences of misspent decades.

Posted by winnifred splinter on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 3:23 PM (EST):

I pray that we will be enlightened to do as Mary asks.

Posted by Emmett O'Regan on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 2:06 PM (EST):

Someone has provided me with an accurate translation from the Italian on my blog:

THE UNPUBLISHED PIECE

Towards 16:00 hours on January 3rd, 1944, in the convent’s chapel, before the Tabernacle, Lucia asked Jesus to let her know His will: ‘I then feel that a friendly hand, affectionate and maternal, touches my shoulder.’

It is ‘the Mother of Heaven’ who says to her: ‘be at peace and write what they command you to, but not that which you were given to understand about its meaning,’ intending to allude to the meaning of the vision that the Virgin herself had revealed to her.

Right after – says Sr. Lucia – ‘I felt my spirit flooded by a light-filled mystery which is God and in Him I saw and heard: the point of the flame-like lance which detaches, touches the axis of the earth and it [the earth] shakes: mountains, cities, towns and villages with their inhabitants are buried. The sea, rivers and clouds leave their bounds, they overflow, flood and drag with them into a whirlpool, houses and people in a number unable to be counted; it is the purification of the world from the sin it is immersed in. Hatred, ambition, cause detructive wars. Afterward I felt in the increased beating of my heart and in my spirit a quiet voice which said: ‘in time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic. Heaven in eternity!’ This word, ‘Heaven,’ filled my heart with peace and happiness, so much so that, almost without realizing it, I continued to repeat for some time: Heaven, Heaven!’

As I show in my post, this text has some remarkable parallels with the alleged words of St. John Paul II at Fulda concerning the Third Secret, which describes a catastrophic chastisement involving floods.

Posted by tom on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 1:53 PM (EST):

I have no problem believing in a future chastisement, but God promised never to destroy the human race again (Genesis 8:21) and specifically with a flood again in Genesis chapter 9 verse 11. Don’t know how that changes the interpretation of this fourth secret, but I think we have to accept the public revelation of Scripture over any private revelation, even that of a holy seer of Fatima. Let’s all trust in God and do our penance for our sins and those of the whole world, ie. Chaplet of Divine Mercy, and hope for the best. May God bless us, forgive us, and repent of the punishment He had in store for us wicked selfish fallen humans as per the Book of Jeremiah (chapter and verse?, but a weekday reading right before Transfiguration).

Posted by JM on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 12:28 PM (EST):

Good to mention Akita; while still a Cardinal, our Pope Emeritus said that the messages of Fatima and Akita were “essentially the same,” (as quoted from my rough memory of an English-language book about the alleged Fourth Secret; I’m more with Mother that we didn’t get all of it, and I’m very saddened by the Popes who disobeyed Our Lady about opening the Secret in 1960, but that’s it.)

Posted by Joseph on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 12:26 PM (EST):

I agree, Larry. How can we avoid a major chastisement when grave sins are becoming so widespread? How much longer will God tolerate our sins, before sending a major chastisement and purification? However, not to lose hope, we can pray and do penance. God will lessen the chastisements in answer to our prayers and penances.

Posted by Daniel on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 12:11 PM (EST):

The warning at Akita said “it would spare neither priest, nor faithful.”
It does not mean that everyone who perishes will go to hell. I’m thinking those that survive the chastisement are those who are truly consecrated to Jesus through Mary. These people will know to rebuild everything based on Christ and the teachings of his holy, Catholic Church. Those who would refuse such a catholic government & society must be purified away from a new beginning.
Read about church approved mystic Elizabeth Kindleman and the need for yearly consecration to enter the ark of Mary’s heart. I could be wrong, but I think only those who truly live in the hearts of Jesus & Mary will survive to the new era, where Christ reigns as king.
We must detach ourselves from this world and rediscover the supernatural aspect of our Faith, and live it. As Mother Angelica says ” We are called to be great saints, don’t miss the opportunity”

Posted by Larry W2LJ on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 11:57 AM (EST):

Unfortunately, there seems to be no sign of widespread repentance and begging for forgiveness. If anything, “the world” seems to be digging in its heels and is becoming even more brazen and obnoxious in its defiance of God.

Posted by Catholic pilgrim on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 11:13 AM (EST):

Yes in the Italian Christmas songs it’s “il Cielo Sulla la Terra”: “Heaven/sky upon the earth.” At the nativity of our Lord, Heaven and earth kiss in beautiful harmony. The Fatima messages can be scary but in those messages our Lady also brings us true hope & leads us to God. The historical context of Fatima is truly fascinating & also prophetic.

Posted by Sheena on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 9:43 AM (EST):

This might have been the part of the secret that the pope’s John look at but did not reveal and the same with Paul VI. I think it is conditional if men will repent and amend their lives than the punishing chastisement will NOT come, or if does it will only affect the wicked and evil people. Hence the Purification, separating the Godly from the un Godly.

Posted by mrscracker on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 9:03 AM (EST):

septuagenarian ,
That was my thought, too. We have a French hymn that has the refrain: “O ciel, O ciel, O ciel…” And I’ve seen bad translations that read “Oh sky, Oh sky, Oh sky…”

Posted by Pat Archbold on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 8:52 AM (EST):

Thanks septuagenarian! Amended.

Posted by septuagenarian on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 8:47 AM (EST):

Just a minor point regarding the translation. The last words between quotes are most likely “heaven, heaven” instead of “the sky, the sky”. In italian and other latin languages there is only one word for heaven and sky, which is “cielo”.

Posted by JM on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 8:31 AM (EST):

Mother Angelica is also in the camp of not thinking we got the “whole thing.” (Her words, if memory serves.) And Mother was hardly a conspiracy nut of any kind.

Posted by John on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 6:09 AM (EST):

“Antonio Socci suggests that this diary entry seems to lend credence to the assertion of his 2006 book that there were indeed two parts to the Fatima revelation”

How exactly? Wasn’t she informed not to write down the significance of the said vision: “...write what you command, but not what I was given to understand its significance” According to his theory, there is another part that was written down. So I don’t get how he draws the conclusion that he does.

Posted by robert waligora on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 5:37 AM (EST):

this I truly believe…a great chastisement is coming due to abortion, birth control,sodomy,divorce and the homosexuals that infiltrated the Priesthood,we are truly going to be bought down to our knees!

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