To those of you who recall our earlier discussions about Larry Guarino, Newark's great Vietnam War Hero, I am happy to report that Larry is alive and functioning in Florida...and in touch with me.

As to his state of health, after 2,801 days in the "Hanoi Hilton," Larry says
"the injuries I suffered in Vietnam leave me fairly okay, but unable to do much physically, back and neck injuries,
plus constant headaches.... I have many affectionate friends and a fantastic wife (of 61+ years) who is always there for me."

I know all you Old-Newark Guestbookers (and Central High grads from the Class of June 1940) join me in wishing Larry and his faithful wife the best that life has to offer.

Even though I no longer live in Newark( I still think about moving back from time to time) It tick me off when people take so great effort in tearing it down. I think it bothers them that the city is making a comeback despite the bad economy. Just image well it going do when things get better the national economy

Jule Spohn:
Dan. You are right about it bothers some people here in Newark today that the city is finally making a nice turn around. Last St. Patrick's Day while I was walking over by the old Hahne's Building some black guy came up to me to complain that the "yuppies" will be moving there and "what will the poor people do?" I told him it was about time the city was turning around for the better and he walked away from me in disgust. Later on down in front of City Hall while many people were standing in front watching the Irish dancers and listening to the music there were a group of black's standing on the other side of the street saying that the whites don't belong in the city any longer. Yes, indeed, there are many in the city that don't want to see it turning around. These are the remnants of those who tore the city apart and are now breathing their final breaths. This city is coming back so fast that it boggles my mind.

Jule Spohn:
Me again. Speaking of the old Hahne's building and the Griffith Piano Building next door. Last year at this time the Bambrger Group put two beautiful placques on each building to commerate the history of the buildings. As of a few months ago I was told that the placques were stolen off of the buildings. This is the same thing that happened to other placques which had been put on various buildings by members of the Schoolmen's Club going way back to the early 1900's. Some of those who got caught used the escuse - "that is not part of my history." This is the same excuse that the jerk that knocked off the religious statues in January of 2003 used - "it's not my religion." Where do these stupid people come from?

Dan Carrow:
Bad upbrining. Most of the people who are worry about Being displace could have purchase a home in Newark for next to nothing during the 80's. The people that you ran into want to live for free.

Dan Carrow:
Hi Jules , yep it me again most of the people you have ran into with the bad attitudes are the one who got lelf behind. There are scores of Newarker (black and White)who grow up in the city are doing well. You wouldn't believe how many people I've ran into who have ties to the city.

Joey George:
Dan,

What you said is very true. Those who really care about the City want to see a comeback. That means, jobs, decent housing for the poor and a RETURN OF SOME MIDDLE CLASS FOLK. The City is pointed in the right direction BUT the most glaring impediment is a very very poor public school system. Would that be fatal to Newark's complete recovery? I believe it won't because there are still good parochial schools and I'm sure the City is ripe for a potential surge of good charter/alternative schools that can meet the demand.

Dan Carrow:
I agree with you Joey. Many of the school are beyond state help. It hard to get a school to work when the parents are not doing the right by their kids.

To Milt Schoenberger
Tell me Milt why do I know your name from some where played football for West Side about that time. If that not it than I`ll have to think about it a little more

Milt Schoenberger:
Nick, knowing your last name might help me in finding how, when or where we know each other.I graduated Weequahic Jan 1947.I didn`t make football but did some cross country.I worked while in HS.first health food store on Broad st.Then Ohrbachs.I graduated Fairleigh Dickinson 1950 (AA)worked for JB Williams Co. for 28yrs and then MennenCo.12yrs.Find any connections? Let me know

Quint:
Milt
We have more in common. I went to Fairleigh Dickinson in Feb 1950 until July when I enlisted in the Marine Corps. When I was discharged in 1954 I went back to Fairleigh and earned my AA in Journalism before I became a Newark cop.

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Saturday, March 13, 2004 12:03 Host: cache-ra04.proxy.aol.com

REVISIONIST HISTORY ONCE AGAIN

There was an article in yesterday's - the 12th - Star Ledger speaking about how there is not enough park space here in Newark written by another "urban expert."

One of our local racist agitators, of some esteem?", one Clement Alexander Price, a history professor over at Rutgers, had to put his two cents into the article. Here is what he had to say:

"Throughout the years, the parks began to lose value among the CURRENT population because of the city's history of racial discrimination. This was a town that was openly hostile to black people. There is a legacy of racial discrimination that makes black people now devalue the parks, and the sculptures which were created for the common good. When they didn't serve the common good, they in many ways lost their civic luster."

This is just another brilliant statmement by a no-nothing liberal professor over at Rutgers. When I grew up in the 40's and 40's all of the parks here in Newark were used by both black and white's with nobody being excluded. The parks went downhill after the 60's and 70's when the drug dealers, drunks, and prostitutes, took them over. If you have a chance to read this article on-line please do so. It is very infuriting to me. I sent a Letter To The Editor over at the Star Ledger. Let's see if they put it in. Normally they don't put my letters in when I criticize other people racist coments.

rich:
Jule, I read that article yesterday in The Star Ledger and my reaction was that it was pure rubbish!Any park or neighborhood that decays is not the result of discrimination but of a lack of respect for one's property, private and public.

marytee:
Jule, we had some work done at our home a few years back-the man brought his wife with him and they were african Americans. Very nice people.
They told my husband and I that their children were never predjudiced until they went to college -so I cannot be surprised but only disgusted with this professor.
I lived in Newark when the riots took place-it was pure theft and distruction. I did not see any racial problems resolved by this behavior-did you? I didn't know there were any either! I saw long term businesses go broke-or move out-I saw homes sold like a domino effect due to fear-I witnessed an entire neighborhood that I grew up in-disappear for good. I do not believe it had a thing to do with racial anything as there are civized methods of resolving these issues and Martin Luther King tried to show the way.
The parks were so used by our Family---we respected the property --the beauty of it ----we did not destroy or feel we had a right to take our frustrations out on property that did not belong to us.
What are they teaching in College now that we pay SO MUCH MONEY FOR THEM TO LEARN_HATRED?
Someone should be looking into this !
LEARN___ HATRED?

marytee:
sorry about the error on the bottom-double type I guess

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Tee. You are correct. Regarding your comments about the riot period, please put them, and others, in the newarkriots.com section. This is just the type of comments we need placed there - comments by people who lived in Newark before, during, and after the riots. Stories like this need to be kept for posterity - true stories, instead of most of the BS that has been printed after the riots, much of which has been written by people who were not even living in Newark at that time.

Nicky G:
Jules just look at the aticle in the ledger and and think your a 100% right and I bet this professor wasn`t born in Newark or spend to much time there or better yet dosn`t live there now

Barb L. Kresch Rothschild:
Dear Jule:
Newark had a fine reputation for its public school system as well. I attended Weequahic High, and it certainly was considered to be one of the top academically performing schools in the State of New Jersey, in its time. There were also many other fine institutions of learning in Newark, both public, private and parochial. I attended school with many fine people of ALL ethnic backgrounds, we never had a problem with the physical destruction of property. We all got along pretty well with each other. Most everyone had a respect for each other, and especially for education, as well. Today, the educational system in Newark rests in shards, which forced State takeover. Discrimination had nothing to do with the destruction of the fine quality of education which existed in Newark prior to the riots. It was all the troublemakers, many of them never having lived in newark previosly, who incited all who did not value education, laws, property, and the dignity of other human beings, which brought about all of Newark's destruction and reputation of being the fine city it once was,and also brought the downfall of the educational system of the city. I am an educator today, as yet, and still mourn the loss of what Newark' schools once were.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Barb. You are absolutely correct. This is an ongoing story whose ending still has to be written. That is why it is so important for us here on oldnewark.com to put our rememberences here. This site is a living piece of history and who knows where it will wind up in the future. But, at least, all of our comments are out there for future generations to see, thanks to Glenn.

Barb L. Kresch Rothschild:
Dear Jule:
Here, here and Amen....I'll drink to that! God bless you, Glenn and all the wonderful people who make this site possible, and as you very nicely stated, an important and ongoing chronicle of living, past, present, and hopefully future Newark recollections and commentary! Thank you all for allowing me to be a part of it!

Phil Lynch:
Jule,
You know what the real shame is about this idiot from Rutgers is that he's teaching history. Its because of people like this that there is so many problems between cultures and races.
He should not be using his position as a "history professor" to push his political agenda.

Barb L. Kresch Rothschild:
Our former "poet laureate of New Jersey, Amiri Baraka, AKA Le Roi Jones, also did a lot to fomate disention in newark back in the late 50's to mid 60's. As you may recall, he is the poet who tried to place the blame on jewish people for the 9/11 attack with antiSemitic rhetoric. Happily, he is no longer representing New Jersey in literary ventures or acknowleged recognition by the State.

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David M. Levine

newsboy@post.com

Location:Johnstown, Pa.

Friday, March 12, 2004 22:43 IP: 147.160.165.46

A very enjoyable Website. Glad to read all the missives from
former and current Newarkers. Ours was a wonderful city and,
hopefully, it will some day return to its former grandeur.

David M. Levine (graduate of Weequahic High '67; S. 17th St. School, '63).

Jule Spohn:
Hello David. Welcome Home!!!

dml:
Thanks, Jule.
It's good to be here.

Barb L. Kresch Rothschild:
Greetings from a '62 Weequahic graduate. I would wish the same for a new rebirth or "renaissance", so to speak. I hope our wishes come to fruition, Dave!

David M. Levine:
Thanks, Barb. I wish there were a way to inspire lots of creative and financial people to get together to bring about that long-overdue rebirth. We, of course, know the intrinsic worth of Newark. Somehow, that needs to be communicated to those rainmakers -- the folks who can make things happen. It would such a shame if still another generation goes by without our city rising from its ashes.

Apothecary > Anyone remember one of the "last " apothecary's {druggist}in the city. Located on the north/west corner of Washington and Central, during the 50's. . The store contained those beautiful decanters and vases and jars which contained liquids of all colors. They each looked like a work of art. There were all sorts of natural remedies for all ailments. I learned of two helpful hints , for letter carriers. Winter > To avoid chapped and frosted fingers use a product like Crisco [cooking stuff , dont smell to great !] . Summer > to avoid legs chafing due to heat carry a small block of CAMPHOR in the pants pocket.{ Jule, is he still in the area ?} Seymour

Barb L. Kresch Rothschild:
Dear Seymour:
I recall seeing some of those pretty vase-like glass urns with the colored liquid in them, the color green comes to mind, somehow, in "Doc" Wallach's drugstore, on the corner of Belmont and Avon. I just loved that Coca-Cola syrup for upset stomachs that my mom brought home from Doc's. Also, on the corner of Clinton and Belmont, opposite the litte park, the Rexall (?)pharmacy also had those distinctive urns of colored liquids, so pretty, it looked like something one could find at an art gallery.
However, for most of us Belmont Avenue locals, "Doc" was our man!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Seymour. I'm still here. Glad to see you back. Hope all is well.

Seymour:
Jule, I'm sorry about my "phrasing ".I meant to ask if the apothecary was still at Wash. St. and Central Ave. I know you are still here on the site and active . I read all entries. Always a pleasure reading you and the other "activists" Seymour

Jule Spohn:
Good morning Seymour. The building is still standing but the Apothecary is no longer there. I do indeed remember the beautiful colored jugs and vases in that store.

How many of you recall the potent Firemens' Cough Syrup,which was available for purchase at your local firehouse? It was the best remedy ever! I recall when my late mother would go down to the 4th Pct. Firehouse on Belmont Avenue, to purchase some of this super elixir....must have had a lot of "joy juice" it, because it knocked the congestion right out of you, and made you sleep. Nyquil cannot hold a candle to this stuff. I emailed Jule Spohn information on this old time Newark remedy, and he made a few calls to the Firemens' Museum in Newark...yep, folks, it really did exist, and an actual bottle now stands in the museum. Nat Bodian recalls his mom purchasing the same elixir for his childhood asthma, and general congestion, as well. Come on, now, who else out there can comment on this great stuff? By today's laws, we could never have purchased medication from firemen, could we now?!! It must have been first given to firemen for smoke inhalation, after visiting a fire site, and maybe that's how it got started. Comments, anyone???

marytee:
Barbara, while I have never heard of this elixer-I remember a guaranteed fever breaker called spirits of nitre. Ever hear of this? One 1/4 teaspoon of this in water and the fever was outa here! I asked a Dr. about it not so long ago and he was surprised I remembered it! As far as I know you cannot get his anymore either-what a shame.

Seymour:
Hello Barb. I remember passing the firehouse for many years, on Bslmont. There was always a sign on the wall , recommending the Syrup. Wallach was our "Doc" in those days. Belmont and Avon. Wallach's was also where you bought Coca Cola Syrup to treat an upset stomach. Still a good remedy !Stay well !

Nat Bodian:
Barb:

Asked a retired Newark pharmacist about Firemen's Cough Syrup. He told me that
Firemen's Cough Syrup was compounded at the Firemen's Pharmacy at the corner of Broad and Market Streets for the City of Newark. He also said that it was a harsh-tasting cough syrup compounded by a pharmacist.

-- Nat

frank wells:
Barb> I sure remember the cough medicine used to cost 35 cents back in the forties. My mom would send me to get a bottle whenever a member of the family had a cough. We used to go the firehouse on ferry and I think Magizine but the celenese plant. Yes it sure would cure a cold. I was going to post the question a few months ago but was sure nobody would have heard of it. Thanks for the bright spot of the day

Jule Spohn:
Hello Barb and all. I drove past the firehouse on Belmont Ave that we are talking about this afternoon on my way to the "new" fire house which is on Clinton Ave at the intersection of Belmont. Looks like the "old" fire house is now boarded up and no longer in use.

Quint:
Jack
Mr. Nathan Lemerman taught subjects in the Commercial and Secretarial Department...mostly business and commerical subjects. He was still there when I graduated in Jan 1950.

Jack Bradley:
Thank you all for your responses. I remember actually being introduced to Mr. Lemmerman many years ago by my father at a Thanksgiving Day game vs Hillside, I believe. As I recall Hillside and Weequahic were Thanksgiving Day rivals at one time. My memory could be wrong on this. I do have a Weequahic football team photo from around 1938 I believe, when my father was on the team.

Quint:
Jack
Weequahic and Hillside were and maybe still are traditional rivals and opposed each other in the Thanksgiving Game each year...at least they did up until the late fifties...I don't know if they still maintain that rivalry today.

Milt S:
Jack,Sorry to say the old rivalry Between WHS and Hillside is gone but not forgotten.Not sure of the year but it eas quite a while ago.

Jack B:
Milt,
I'm sure you are correct. But I do recall my father, Al Bradley, talking about his days on the Weequahic football team. Thanks very much for taking an interest.

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marytee

Location:florida

Thursday, March 11, 2004 12:52 IP: 127.196.8.67.cfl.rr.com

Talking about the Shoemaker made me think of a card store on second ave.-It was when they had the printing press in the rear of the store.
I use to watch them print so many different things. They use to try to teach me to set the type! I did learn a bit.Ahhhhhh, the smells here as well!
Does anyone remember the laundro mats with the extractors? I use to put the clothes in the washer-move them to the extractor-then onto the dryers.Child labor made me stay away from those machines so no earnings here-lolol.
Does anyone remember Wallachs mens store on Broad St.?(downtown) What a fashionable store it was in those days.

Nicky G:
Hi Marytee
Hi my friend I remember Wallachs well would only buy there when I had the big bucks.BUT also watch the but I think it was on Brandford PL could be wromg wait to hear from the expects

marytee:
My Sister use to work there many_ years ago. Nice clothes for sure!
Those were the days when downtown offered so much in classy shopping- I remember Bonds well .This too was a classy store.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Tee and all. When I worked for National Newark and Essex Bank at 744 Broad Street from 1967 to 1970 I bought many suites shirts from Wallach's. It was indeed a "classy" men's shop.

Danny B.:
Back to the shoemaker thing - My local shoemaker was Sal Luciola. His shop was on Wakeman Ave near Nursery St, and yes he had those booths too. Glad to find out what the booths were really for.
Personally, I just liked hanging out at Sal's place for a few minutes rest while delivering the Newark Evening News. I have clear recollections of watching reruns of Car 54 while sitting in one of the booths. The smell of the leather, watching Sal go about his work - good memories!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Tee. My mother used to work at Ralph's Laundrymat on South Orange Ave between 11th and 12th Street back in the late 40's. I can still picture those extractors that they used there.

Along the same lines, about that same time I can still remember my friend Bobby Pulcine's mother had a washing machine in her bathroom. It had rollers on it and she would push it over to the bathtub and when the clothes were finished washing she would put them through the "ringer" which sat on top of the machine.

marytee:
HI Jule-
I remember only too well those washing machines with the rollers-I was scared to death that I would get an arm caught in it.
If you used it right -the clothes sure dried faster on the line!

Marty:
Hey marytee, martyh here. Remember Philnick's on Broadway. How about Jimmy's, Carol's & Terry's? A long time ago but many good memories. MW TH MB & MH what a partying group!

marytee:
Okay Martane--lololol, good to find you here!
YES_What memeories you bring back! Almost had my dancin shoes on-lolol.
Broadway--remember when-cause there were some fun times !

I read all of the postings. Even though I grew up down neck. I recognize alot of the streets you mention from North Newark.
My grandparents lived on Seymour Ave. for many years.
My cousin lived on Littleton Ave. Her name was Diane Parks. I don't know what school she attended. Later they moved to Islin. Her dad Bill Parks was a photographer.
Had relatives on Avon Ave.
My best friend lived in the Ivy Hills apartments and later in moved into the Mount Prospect Apartments.
So, when I read about your Newark I also have memories from there too.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Barb. Welcome Home!!!

Nicky G:
Hi Barb when we move that much in the old was becasue we cpuld pay rent If this Diane is up in her 50`s or so I think she went Camdenst school.

Hi Frank,
When you enter Old Newark, click on feature menu, You'll see chat room. Click on it and follow the directions.
I see you have aol. some people can't get using aol. Use Internet Explore to enter chat room.
We pop in and out but the best time is from 7:00.

Guess:
maybe I don`t want to talk to you

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nightmare

nightmare0972@yahoo.com

Location:newark

Wednesday, March 10, 2004 21:43 Host: njtnt-1-357.dialup.enter.net

Jules,I heard that you said, that you had been in THE SIDEBAR AND GRILL back in the 60's or so when it went by another name. Do you remember what 304 University Ave. was prior to the "SIDEBAR"?

Jule Spohn:
I'll have to put on my thinking cap and get back on this one.

Jule Spohn:
Hello there. In 1961 the bar was called Jack and Bill's Bar. I know that it had a different name in the 70's but so far have not been able to find it. Will keep check on it.

nightmare:
Thanks, I hope to talk to you again soon.

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frank wells

fw1215@aol.com

Location:union beach,nj

Tuesday, March 9, 2004 22:50 Host: cache-mtc-ab04.proxy.aol.com

Barb, sorry I had a brother and sister named louis and dolores. Started school at St Als till 2nd grade then to wilson ave and finally east side annex before moving to the shore. Graduated wilson ave Jan 1950. Great memories.

Barb:
Hi Frank,
I left Wilson Ave. in June 1954. Then went to East Side.
I see you went to St. Al's for a short time. Where did you live? Richie's brothers and cousins went to St. Al's. They were from Brill Street.

frank w.:
Barb: we lived next to the 3rd precent on market and reed st in the same house that Dr Cooperman had his office. letter we moved one block up to fillmore and market st.Near Iggy's tavern.

frank w.:
some of the teachers I can recall at wilson ave are Mrs Gless, Mrs marlatt, Mr Forsythe, Principals, were Mr Sozio, and mrs yellton

Barb:
Hi Frank,
I had all those teahers. Some others are Mrs. Wolf, Mrs. Woodcroft, Mrs.Losfton/Parkr. Mr. Dacy, Mrss Lorrio, Mrs. Salerno, Mrs. Stewart. Miss donavine the nurce. Mr. Nolan Music teacher,
The Schaefers lived on read Street. Yanuzze's and Mocarello's. I have a picture on here from Wilson Ave, Playground. There a four of us. Do recognize anyone in it?

frank wells:
Barb, can't find the picture was it on the old guest book? The name schaefer does ring a bell. I have a class photo of wilson ave graduating class of jan 1950, but would have to dig it out. I would love to have the webmaster post it, perhaps someone would recognize thier classmates. Reade street as I recall was one of the first streets to have paved asphalt in place of the cobblestones. we loved it with our shoes skates and soda box scooters.

Ron Hayes:
FRANK;DID YOUR BROTHER LOUIS WORK AT IFF IN HAZLET???

frank wells:
Ron: yes lew worked at IFF and retired a few months ago, he is now down in florida at sannibel island,for the winter and should be coming back up soon. Ron Hayes sounds familiar, are you from the Bayshore area?

Ron Hayes:
FRANK;I KNEW LEW FOR MANY YEARS AT IFF WE TALKED A LOT OF BASEBALL.I LIVE HERE IN GOOD OLD KEANSBURG AND STILL WORK AT IFF I AM TOO OLD TO RETIRE NOW AND WOULD NOT ENJOY IT ANYWAY JUST AN OLD WARHORSE LOL

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frank wells

fw1215@aol.com

Location:Union Beach, NJ

Tuesday, March 9, 2004 22:16 Host: cache-mtc-ab04.proxy.aol.com

Jule what a coincidince I was just thinking about the Ironbound red shield boy's club the other day as I came across my old membership card dated sept 30,1949 and signed by Joe Pucillo Executive director. We had many a good times there with boxing ,bowling, basketball, boys scouts (troop 27) Indian lore,wood shop,etc it sure helped to keep us little wise guys out of trouble

Barb:
Hi Frank, I went to school with a Lois and Arthur Wells. Any relation?

RedRaiders1966:
The old 3rd Pct. in the old days was on Van Buren St. The same building is now a Public Library.It's located between Ferry and Lafayette Sts.

Jule Spohn:
Thanks. I didn't realize that the building is still standing.

Jack Keegan:
You all,Some old stuff.
Speaking about the old third pct.
When it was renovated to a library, my Father was able to get part of the Officers desk
and make it into a bar in our celler.

Jack Keegan:
You all,Some old stuff.
Speaking about the old third pct.
When it was renovated to a library, my Father was able to get part of the Officers desk
and make it into a bar in our celler.

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Tuesday, March 9, 2004 18:40 Host: deptvachi-cp.va.gov

BOYS CLUBS

While driving around down neck last week I happened to pass the old Boys Club over by Riverbank Park. I had forgoten all about this one and was surprised to see that it looks as if it is still going.

The Boys Club I went to back in the 40's adnd 50's was over at the intersection of 13th Avenue and Littleton. It was always a good time going there. It too is still going but the sign outside reads: Boys and Girls Club of Newark.

Where did you Boys and Girls go to?

Phil Lynch:
Jule,
Thats my Boys Club there on Reade ST. down neck. Its still in operation.

Nicky G:
Jules its called going with the times its also called save money

Jule Spohn:
Hello Phil. Yep, looks like it's still going.

Barb:
I used to go roller skating at the boys Club.. Tom Tuttle took care of the club. They also had dances and parties.

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
WE MEMBERS OF THE 3RD PCT USED THE BOYS CLUB ON READE ST FOR OUR KARATE CLUB--DAN

Jule Spohn:
Hello Dan. The Third Pct was my Grandfather, John T. Tighe's, old Pct. He was stationed there from January 22, 1889 when he was appointed as a "Chanceman" to March 13, 1909, when he was transfered to the 1st Pct. where he died on October 28, 1910 after coming home from working on the night shift. He lived down neck at 122 Johnson Street.

rich:
Jule, Growing up Down Neck, the Ironbound Boys Club was the place to go. Played many a game of Basketball there.It was and is a place to keep the teens off the corners and out of trouble. Also, the Club ran lots of day trips for the teenagers,like down to Seaside Heights etc. My middle son, Tim, has worked his last 2 summers at the Boys Club as a Counselor for the school age child care Summer program there as well as their afterschool childcare program for the children of working parents. My parents went on many trips with the Senior citizen club at the Ironbound Boys Club while they lived in Newark too. The Red Shield is an asset to the neighborhood.

Danny B.:
Broadway Boys Club - I added my memories last year - it's in the North Newark link of the memories section.

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Tuesday, March 9, 2004 02:56 Host: cache-ra04.proxy.aol.com

SHOE REPAIR SHOPS

Just read the wonderful article by Barbara Rothschild in the "Memories" section about the old shoe repair shops. Take a look at it for some great old memories. She really "hits the nail on the head."

I had a shoe repair shop two doors down from where I lived on South Orange Ave between 11th and 12th Street. The store, the sounds, the smells, the machines, etc. are exactly as Barbara describes them. I can still "smell" the fresh leather and the glue that held them all together as if it were yesterday.

Barbara, thanks for the great memories.

Where was your favorite shoe repair shop?

Sam:
Hello Jule,
Our shoe repair shop was on So. 12th and 15th ave. When we would open the door the bell would sound and a little old man would come down to the shop. He would mark up your shoes with chalk where the repairs would be done. give you a ticket with a number on it. The smells oh yes. There were so many shops around the neighborhood. Never had to go far to a store. Good Memories.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Sam. You are right about "so many shops around the neighborhood."

One of the problems that I notice as I drive around Newark today in areas where they are putting up some pretty nice houses is that there are NO stores being built in those neighborhoods. The houses are nice, the blocks are nice, but where are the stores? It is the stores, the mom and pop type stores, that help to build a neighborhood and neighbors. Much of that is lacking in the neighborhoods that are cropping up here in Newark today.

Quint:
My favorite shoe repair (we called them shoemaker)shop was on Avon Ave between 12 and13 Street. The owner, a little old Italian man was always busy repairing shoes of all shapes and sizes.
I remember leaving a pair of shoes there a few days before I left for Marine Corps Boot Camp in 1950 and I didn't have a chance to pick them up before I departed or anytime during the four years I was in the Corps. When I was discharged from the Marines in 1954 I went back to that little old shoemaker and out of curiosity, really not expecting him to remember me or my shoes, I told him of how I left my shoes there four years earlier. He asked me to describe them, which I did, he rummaged through a pile of shoes that were stacked on the shelf above his polishing and grinding machines and lo and behold he pulled out a pair of shoes that resembled those I left there four years ago. The cobbler rubbed the shoes against his smock, one in each hand, held them out to me and asked if they were mine. I was amazed and told him yes, they were mine, I would recognize them anywhere. The little old Italian cobbler smiled at me and is his broken English said, "They'll be ready Tuesday."

marytee:
I use to love to go to the shoemakers-we would get the taps put on-or get a heel for hop scotch-or I would marvel at his craftmanship as he made something so awful look good and last instead of throwing them out. you could wear high heels to the nubb and he could still make his magic. The one I remember was by second ave. on Broadway.
Things really got rough when he started to charge a quarter for a heel-lololol.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Quint and everyone. You are absolutely correct - they were called the "shoemaker" and not shoe repair shops. Must have had a "senior moment" when I wrote that.

Phil Lynch:
A little out of the area, but where I work at in the Bronx there was a shoe repair shop right up the block from where I work and he just closed his doors for good last month. He repaired my boots and a pair of shoes that I had. Just thought I add that.

Pat Miceli Haderthauer:
The shoemaker I remember was on West End Avenue, near Grove Terrace, in Vailsburg. Barbara did very well in describing how things were back then. You could get new heels, soles, half soles, taps...and with his heavy machine he could do repairs, not only on shoes, but on handbags and luggage too. Those days are gone. Now we just throw things away when they get worn or broken...and it is hard to put new heels on Nike's anyway!

Jule Spohn:
There were many times when I was a kid that I would go months on end with holes in my shoes, covered over with pieces of cardboard from cereal boxes or regular boxes, before my mother had the money to send the shoes down to the shoemaker. Sometimes, I guess in order to save some money, I would get half-soles on my shoes. As the saying goes, "we've come a long way, baby."

Barb:
My shoemaker was on Jackson Street. I remember telling them to repair half the shoe or the whole shoe. Yes, I had taps put on my shoes. And also got our hopscotch heels from him. He use to let us watch him work. He put the shoe on that metalfoot and went to work. We watched him cut the soles and glue them, I remember him holding nails in his mouth when he used them. He was our friendly shoemaker knew all the kids in the nieghborhood.

Quint:
It seems no one found my story amusing. I really made it up for laughs. I can't tell you how many times I went to the shoemaker to pick up my shoes on the promised day and was told, "they'll be ready Tueday."

Jule Spohn:
Hello Quint. That was such a great story that I thought it could possible be true - back then - but not in today's world. Now, I feel like a "heel." LOL!!!

Mary Ellen:
Hi Jule, there was a shoe repair shop right on Broadway between 3rd and Van Wagenen Sts, and I believe one was on Van Wagenen St too
maybe it was the same shop that moved to your street. The smells from the shop was ingrained in your brain...so when I go to a shoe-repair shop now...I go right back to when I was a child. As I mentioned in a post awhile back...I said that if you got the rubber heels, they were the best for playing Hop Scotch! They stuck to the ground much better then the other kind. I remember the booths you could go in and change your shoes or wait to get your shoes fixed, and the machines too. Wow...another walk done memory lane!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Elleen. I'm glad you mentioned the "booths." I had forgotten about them when I put few other replies here but thought about going back and mentioning it and then forgot to do it. Sitting in one of those booths always reminded me of the Protestant churches where many pews had doors on them.

Mary:
Hi Jule, glad I remembered about the booths. But Jule...I come from a time where you would NOT sit in a Protestant Church....if you knew what was good for you! Our Church in those days were so closed minded that you would feel as if you were doing something wrong if you did.Of course we know better now but then you were in BIG trouble if you ever sat in a pew there.
Times were good then but I like the openess of our Church and we know we all can go to heaven no matter what faith we are. Course I dont think I am going there...the "other place" has my room ready! LOL

Jack Bradley:
Quint,
Since I grew up on So 12th between Madison and Avon during the early 50's, my parents probably used the same shoe store. I thought your story was really funny. Sounds like a "Seinfeld" episode.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary. You are right . When I was a kid in the 40's and 50's Catholics did not go into Protestant Churches. I can still remember when one of my father's brother's died in the 50's. He married a Protestant woman and they had his funeral service in a Protestant Church. My mother and father sat outside in the car during the service instead of going inside of the church. Also, in those days if a Catholic married a Protestand they could not be married in the Church. Instead, they were married in the Rectory or somewhere.

Many times over the past several decades I've attended some sort or other service in a Protestant Church and often wonder what my parents must be thinking of me. LOL!!!

Mary Ellen:
Hi Jule, that Mary was me...I forgot to put my middle name in it.
Many times, even now, I feel its wrong if I were to do something we were taught not to do regarding our religion...it made that much of an impact. I'm sure those of us who went to Catholic Schools still get those feelings even tho we are all grown up and know better.
My Gram married an English Protestant...and she was Irish...what a time she had I'll tell you! Grandpa , while he didnt change his religion, he did everything our Church demanded of him and more. He was a good man but I coudnt help but feel sorry for him because he wasnt Catholic...thats how we were taught. I know what you meant about your parents not wanting to go into the Church. What a hold on us the Church had...even to this day! But as I said earlier...the dors are opened and we now know and believe that God loves us ALL...! Amen to that!

Margaret Joost:
My husband saves any shoe repairs until we visit our son in California. It is the only place where you can find a real honest-to-goodness shoemaker.
The shoe repair shops here in Florida just nail lifts on my shoes.

Margaret Joost:
I am responding to the Catholic Church memos.
Have you ever gone to another church other than Catholic and noticed the sly denigrations of the Catholic Church. There was a time when this was a little more obvious and rather insulting to everything we had learned.

I lived on Fairmount Ave. betw 14th and
So Orange, went to WSHS, St Rocco's, and
was a member of the Fairmount Athletic and Social Club, worked at Bam's while a student of WS. Now retired from NJTP
Will talk with all about Newark.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Fred. Welcome Home!!!

Sam:
Fred,
What years were you at WSH?

Nicky G:
Fred Welcome I like to also know what year I live on Fairmount ave somewhere in the late 30`s or early 40`s live on Bergen st between 14 and 15 ave move out in 1957 do you remember carmen iived on the corner of 14 or wish know as Bernie Schwatz we all hung out on 6th So Orange ave

Veronica:
Fred, Are you related to Serena Petrozzi who attended Camden St. School in the late 1940s?

Nicky G:
Hi Veronica
That was what I was thihking to

Jule Spohn:
Hello Fred. I stopped in St. Rocco's last fall. The church is still going but is in bad need of repair. It is mostly a Black congregation today. I ran into the secretary for the parish on the way out and she invited me over to the office and showed me some of the things that the parish is involved in today. God works in mysteriious ways. Here is a parish down on it's luck but is still vibrant and functioning.

When I was a teen ager and had to go to confession and had to confess some of those "terrible" sins I always went down to St. Rocco's instead of St. Antoninus because I couldn't understand what the Priests said and was hoping that they couldn't understand what I said. LOL!!!

Patty Daly:
My father, Edward Daly lived at 132 Fairmount Avenue in the 40's. He lived across the street from a small church. My sister and I visited his old house last month and took some pictures. It didn't look like anyone had touched it since he left around 1950. He and my mom moved to Matawan, NJ, not far from you.

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Janice

jriker@co.volusia.fl.us

Location:Sunny Florida

Monday, March 8, 2004 16:32 IP: 164.51.78.15

Does anyone know if St Casmirs is still alive up there. Actually they must be, but I have sent three faxes to them and one to the archdiocese requesting some info help and they aren't even bothering to tell me to get lost or if they can help me. Anyone else have this trouble??

rich:
Janice, St. Casimir's is alive and well. Maybe you should try to call the Church, your fax might be going to the school and "getting lost". St Casimir's RC Church
164 Nichols Street, Newark, NJ 07105
(973) 344-2743

Janice:
Rich - Thanks, I'll try that!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Janice and all. The other Polish Catholic Church in Newark was, and still is going, is St. Stanislaus over on Belmont Ave. I went to Mass there during the Christmas season and was very surprised to see that there were about 30 or 40 Polish families at that Mass. They has recently painted the inside of the church and statues and it is still quite nice. I was a little nervous going there because of it's location and surrounding area today but everything turned out very well. I think that the name of the Priest today is Father Chris.

Margaret Joost:
Most of the records of the churches are now in the archives at Seton Hall. I know I found quite a few records there.

Janice:
Long distance thanks for all the advice! I contacted Kathy Dodd at Seton Hall and she gave me a microfiche # but referred me back to St. Casmirs. Since going there in out of the question and the financial aspect of her doing the search is out of sight--I guess I'll just have to wait for the Church to contact me. Thanks everyone

Pat Miceli Haderthauer:
Janice-
Have you tried the Family History Center of the LDS church or their website? Not all records are available but I found what they had from St. Peter's in Newark where my husband's grandparents went. I ordered them(about$3.50 each) and they sent them to the center here in my town where I could view them for a month and make copies.I also got them for Holy Sepulchre Cemetery. You have to view them at their facility.The volunteers will help you use the equipment. Marriage, baptismal and some death records are available. I also used this source to order films from Italy and Germany. I did O.K. with the Italian ones but needed a German dictionary for the others. Good luck.

Janice:
Pat, Yes I have tried it with no results. This appears to be a really tough one. Leave it to the Kalicki family history to stonewallme. LOL. I'll still keep trying though!!

Dan
I found that Puntae Rass yesterady I can`t tell you how many time I drove thought that place.
Was down your other neck of woods yester day went to see the Yankee Red Sox game over 7000 people couldn`t move on the way back stop in Shell`s on 41

Jack K:
Thanks Barb,
I grew up in the neighborhood,I do know the area.

frank wells:
how do we get to the chat room?

Red Raiders 1966:
Hi All, It's not the Cooney - Schwartz Post (Cooney was the father) The correct name is the Howard F. Schwartz Post 408 at 20 Cortland Place. Cortland Place is one block east of Cortland Street on the right side, opposite Chapel St. It's open every Friday 7pm 'til ?, Saturday & Sunday from about 1pm 'til 7pm. all are welcome! The street has been changed from a one-way to a two-way street and has fenced in parking. Alot of old Newarkers still go there.

Hi everyone! A question here, where is everyone? The chat room is almost always empty. I bragged about it so much...and when I brought my husband to the chatroom, no one was there. Dee, Barb, Ct, and guys...where are you?
Jule....your right, however the reasons for the riots it seems, are different for some people and nothing you can do or say will change that. What we all had as kids...and thank God we had them...will never fade from our memories.With you and Glenn and everyone who shared their childhood thoughts with us all..will keep Newark as it once was.Not perfect but a place where we grew up, had neighbors and friends that helped make us what we are today. Sadly, in 1967...most of that changed. Newark will never be that way again because there were people who made sure of that. We remember how it once was...we know who and what did all those horrible things to people and properties.
Your very truthful Jule, and your very right! Its good for Newark to have you and Dee and all who moved back to enjoy your beloved city once more.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. Thanks for the kind words. I hate "revionist" history. Many people, and groups, like to "clean-up" their history - make it more "politically correct." I believe that "history is history" with all of it's good and bad points. The facts are there. No need to try to paint it over. Much of "revionist" history is written by the so-called "experts" - college professors and others of their ilk - most of whom were not even involved with the events that they are talking about. And that is what I am talking about when I talk about the Newark Riots of 1967.

Jule Spohn:
The correct spelling should be "revisionist."

Mary Ellen:
Hi Jule...once again....your right. I can remember people talking about Newark in a way that wasnt what I knew about it. Of course they didnt come from there and they didnt know what the heck they were talking about. Where you are now...was one of the nicest places to live.As far as I know or remember...there wasnt problems with races...as a child who thinks of that anyway.
What I do remember is...my 10th birthday party in which a class mate of ours was invited to my party...it was HER mother who wouldnt let her come to it because she would be the only black child there. I was so hurt because she was our class mate...kids dont see colors.
As I said...what happened to Newark was "other" people...mainly from the south, who caused all of the trouble.As I said in an earlier post...a black lady was being interviewed on tv and sais all the years she lived in Newark,she never saw what was said by people who moved to Newark from the south. She was a lovely black older woman
I felt good that some one stood up for our fair city...and she did. I never forgot her.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Mary Ellen. You are correct in many ways about much of the trouble being caused by "outsiders" who came into Newark for a year or so before the riots to stir up much of the trouble. This story still has to be written about what happened to certain cities during this time period. The takeover of these cities was a well-planned, and well carried out act of aggression - an act of aggression that still has to be accounted for at some point in the future. It is still ongoing.

I too had black friends and neighbors back in the 40's and 50's as a child and we had no problems with each other. The blacks and whites in my neighborhood got along pretty well back then.

Marty H.:
Hi Mary Ellen
I remeber you from Broadway. You were a fox and I just knew someday we would get together. Thank God for Newark.

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Frank Harrison

Frankharrison@lycos.com

Location:Mansfield, Mass.

Sunday, March 7, 2004 21:18 Host: h0050e4e07b14.ne.client2.attbi.com

I recently completed reading “No Cause for Indictment: An Autoposy of Newark,” written over 20 years ago by Ron Porambo. While the author’s opinions have clouded his book, he did conduct a lot of research which points out that the Riots were a combination of untimely circumstances, greed, out-of-control emotions and excess - on all sides.

He points the blaming finger for the Riots at just about everybody: both daily newspapers, city business leaders, black and white politicians, the teachers’ union, crooked black and white cops, LeRoi Jones, and especially Hugh Addonizio and Dominick Spina.

Is Director Spina still alive? Was he respected or reviled by the overwhelming number of honest cops?

Jule Spohn:
Frank. You left out one important group - the Blacks themselves who did the rioting and who knew in advance what was about to happen and still let it go on and participated in it. Ron Porambo is no different than any of the other writers of this subject - they all blame everyone else except the people themselves who did it.

There are several good articles there from people who were there during that time - not the so-called "experts."

J.M.:
I lived in Newark during the riots and my father took the family away for the summer the area was so bad. We were young at the time and the people you know who destroyed all that they had in their area and all the families who had business there were bankrupt, and they were never able to rebuild their business again. It was a crime!

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
FRANK--RON PORAMBO WAS A LIAR AND THIEF--HE WAS VERY SKILLFUL AS A WRITER--DID YOU KNOW HE WAS A JUNKIE-----HE WAS ARRESTED AND CONVICTED FOR ARMED ROBBERY (DID PRISON TIME)---AS FAR AS DOMINICK SPINA WAS CONCERNED HE WAS AN EXCELLENT LEADER--HE WAS A LIET COLONEL IN THE ARMED FORCES--AND WAS VERY SKILLFULL IN LEADING MEN--HIS DOWNFALL WAS HUGH J ADDONIZIO---EVERY EFFECTIVE LEADER WE HAD IN THE NPD WAS A PERSON WHO HAD A MILITARY BACKGROUND---DAN

Quint:
Frank,
I remember Dominic Spina when he was a Sergeant assigned to the Emergency Squad back in 1956. As Dan points out, he was a very effective leader of men and it appeared even then that he was destined to become the Chief of Police. It's too bad he got tainted by Addonizzio fallout.

Marytee
Are you alright over there you had a lot of bikes over there all week

marytee:
We have seen tons of bikers Nicky-even a few neighbors have bikes and headed to Daytona to join in the festivites! Lots of dollars poured in and now it is nearly spring break in this state!!
Good time for a/c-lolol

Janice:
We were in Daytona last night for a ride. VERY interesting. We were extremelly surprised at the number of Jersey plates in the area. Are you guys emptying out the state or what???LOL

marytee:
Janice-did you see the topless woman who is fighting the ordinance? She made the news with that one huh!!
Nicky-waht is your weather like today-it sure is pretty here?

Janice:
No, I tried toi avois the traffic in that area. All those bikers with the cameras. Crazy!! She was the only one who flashed and was covered and arrested--I guess she'll be calling my switchboard about her charges!! LOL. I hope she used some sunscreen-it was really hot here and I don't mean just the audiences!! i heard it was supposed to snow up there today--is it? Chilly here at 61 right now.

marytee:
lololol-I do not know hte weather there-but here,near orlando it is gorgeous! She bared her all-lolol

marytee:
lololol-I do not know the weather there-but here,near orlando it is gorgeous! She bared her all-lolol

Janice:
Marytee.I heard it wassn't all that much. They threw a vest over her as they arrested her. At least it was a warm day LOL.Its great here in Deland also.

Nicky G:
Ladys Iheard about that lady it was in Bradenton paper also what I don`t know
The weather is great in low 70`s
I`LL TAKE IT

Dee:
Hi all..Bet some of my St Pete/Clearwater friends were there with their MC's. Surprised to hear there was only one "flasher". I like to ride, but I don't flash..let the others who like to, do that...LOLOL

marytee:
Your right Dee-let them do it but not me-This woman is bringing a lawsuit now to beat the ordinance.Must be the sun-that brings out the rebellious! I like bikes but not an owner-just one who admires. Several couples own bikes in our neighborhood and age is not consideration.
Hope your enjoying Newark now and all settled in-I admire your spirit and humor!

I was born and raised in Newark. Attended First Avenue Elementary and attended Girls Vo for 2 years before moving to Ocean County in 1971.

Nicky G:
Hi Joyce
Welcome didn`t go to Frist ave and you know I didn`t go to Girls Vol wish I did But I think it would have been befor your time And also lived in Toms River from 70 till 93 and the middle name I know it from somewhere

Jule Spohn:
Hello Joyce. Welcome Home!!!

Janice:
Joyce-What years were you at Girl's Voc. I was there in 67 and moved to Toms River in 78.Now in Florida. I studied under Mrs. Smith for Cosmetology (adult classes)

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Quint

Location:Palm Desert. CA

Saturday, March 6, 2004 12:09 Host: cpe-66-74-10-8.dc.rr.com

My wife and I will be traveling back east in April. Can anyone tell me the dates of the Cherry Blossom Festival in Newark this year. I checked the websites and all I find is info on previous years' Cherry Blossom Festival at Branch Brook Park, which by the way, is the oldest Public Park in the U.S.

Nicky G:
Hi Quint I come up with the Cherry Blossom Featival it said April 14 to the 21

Quint:
Thanks Nicky
The Cherry Blossoms Festival in Newark rivals that of Washington, DC. We will probably see a some of both since we'll be visiting relatives in NJ and grandkids in VA. next month.

Nicky G:
Quint Have a good time up there the Cherry Blossom run over a month I think. ON your way home drop me off some bread out the window is alrignt to Thank You haven`t been back Therein 11 years

Jule Spohn:
Hello Quint. It all depends upon the weather. It's been pretty cold up here this winter. As of right now none of the buds had began popping up yet. As we get closer to them appearing I'll post a message here.

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David J. De Carlo

miandadev@aol.com

Location:-

Saturday, March 6, 2004 11:06 Host: cache-mtc-ab04.proxy.aol.com

trying to locate Larry (beans) Guarino Cutler St. Newark

MARGARET JOOST:
IS THIS THE SAME LARRY GUARINO WHO WAS SHOT DOWN IN VIET NAM AND WAS A PRISONER FOR SO LONG.

Nat Bodian:
Is this the Larry Guarino I met in Natal Brazil in 1943 when he was piloting a plane overseas to war and stopped off in Brazil
for a real Newark reunion with me. He told me he had been traveling under sealed orders and had not been in touch with his family back in Newark for some time and they were unaware that he had left the country.

Of course, our base was under strict censorship and could not mention anything about movement through our base, but I edited the base newspaper and wrote a story on the bravery of the boys going off to war citing Larry Guarine by name.

I then mailed a copy of the base newspaper to his sister, Norma in Newark which let his family know he was safe and in transit overseas.

I never actually met Larry, but I still have the correspondence I received from the Guarino family in Brazil thanking me for letting them know about their family member.

-- Nat

Nat Bodian:
More on Larry Guarino in World War II....from Nat

...and here are the openong words from from a V-Mail letter
I received from Larry Guarino's father, A.L. Guarino dated July 3, 1943:

"I am thankful for your having written to us to inform us about your met with Larry at your base in Brazil and also for your more recent letter and the clipping from your Camp paper. I also read your letter to Willie Ratner of the Newark Evening News in which you told of meeting my son."

MARGARET JOOST:
On Google.com there is a bio of Larry Guarino. I entered Larry Guarino Bio and was rewarded with a nice sketch of Larry.

Peter Ringel:
Margaret:

I realize that the Larry Guarino referred to is not the Larry Guarino that you refer to in your response. I worked for the son of the Larry Guarino that was shot down and taken POW in Vietnam. Larry wrote a book years ago detailing his stay at the Hanoi Hilton. Have you read it?

ringelpc@aol.com

Nat Bodian:
Margaret Joost:

More about Larry Guarina

Looking back in my (WWII) War Log, I see that I ran into Larry
Guarina on May 22, 1943 in the Post Exchange of the Army Air Force base at Natal Brazil. I was stationed there. He was a pilot passinf through enroute to Africa.
He recognized me as a former classmate at Central High School
in Newark.
We had a long and friendly chat seated on the cot in my tent.

-- Nat

Margaret Joost:
PETER RINGEL:

Yes, we have read his book and have an autographed copy of it. I understand his wife has written a book but I haven't read it as yet.

Margaret Joost:
Larry Guarino flew P-51s with my husband at Newark Airport when the New Jersey Air National Guard was there.

Jcak Keegan:
Pete Ringel,
Did you live in vailsburg and did you have a sister Grace and a brother Bill?

Nat Bodian:
Margaret Joost:

Just thought to tell you that as a result of your posting of Larry Guarin's name in this Guestbok, I was not only able to recall my own association with him 61 years ago, but also to contact him and to receive
an enthusiastic response from him.

I also did a bit of research and learned that Larry Guarino
is viewed by his associates as "one of America's great heros."

Larry, flyiong an F105 on his 50th mission over Vietnam, was shot down on June 14, 1964 and imprisoned in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" for 2,80l days (8 years) suffering humiliastion as well as physical and mental torture.

His survuval is in of itself a miracle.

I hope to report further as I hear from him or perhaps wrap it
up as a new Old Newark "Memory."

-- Nat

Margaret Joost:
Nat Bodian: re: Larry Guarino
I think that a biography on Old Newark would be wonderful. He and his wife deserve all the accolades and especially from Newark.

David J. De Carlo:
This Larry Guarino I am looking for lived on Cutler St. near Franklin School. Graduated From Central High about 1952. The Guarino being talked about certainly is much older. Does anyone remember Franklin School on Garside St. Park Ave & Cutler St.? The old First Ward.

Anne H:
I went to Franklin St School for a few years. I was born in 1941. We lived on Cutler St. I remember friends named Lucy & Alfonse (they lived next door) Larry. The chinese laundry where they used the old irons that were heated up not plugged in. Summers with the hydrant on and walking to school in the fall shuffling throught he piles of leaves just for the fun of it.
long ago and far away - but what happy times they were.

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Joe McGovern

joemcg@monmouth.com

Location:East Brunswick NJ

Saturday, March 6, 2004 02:29 Host: bg-tc-ppp205.monmouth.com

Great site. That pilgrim on the bank at Clinton & BergRegardsen ; maybe Robert Treat?

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Angie (Ferullo) Lombardi

andolomb@aol.com

Location:Woodbridge NJ

Friday, March 5, 2004 20:53 Host: cache-ra04.proxy.aol.com

Hi everyone, I just want to cry, how I wish we could go back even for a little while. I loved my life in Newark, went to Ann St. School and East Side High, we were all "poor" but didn't know it. Miss the hot sweet potatoes, the venders sold after school in the early fifties. Just had our school reunion last October, 50 years, Just love all my old class mates, those friendships never die.

Nicky G:
Hi Angie all get back even for a week or what some of Old Newark went back to live but if can`t do that Old Newark is the best thing so welcome I`m down here in Florida. By the waywhere in Newark did you come from

Angie:
Hi Nicky, I lived down neck on Chestnut street, close to Mount Carmel and St. Casmir Churches. I drive down there from time to time. Much has changed, but a lot is still the same.

Nicky G:
I thought I knew the name but down neak you will to wait for the down neck peoplto read this But like I said Welcome

Jule Spohn:
Hello Angie. Welcome Home!!!

Barb:
Hi Angie,
What year were you in East Side? Are you related to Joe
Lombardi?

angie:
Barb,my graduation year was 1953, from East Side, 1949 from Ann Street. Had our 50th reunion last October had a wonderful time, what a blast! What year for you? where did you live?

angie:
Don't know Joe Lombardi, wasn't a Lombardi when I lived there.

Barb:
Hi Angie,
I went to Wilson Ave. School. 1954 I started East Side. My cousin Frank and Dorthy Pietrucka were there when you were. I lived on Hensler Street.
We ate lunch at Sue's all the time. Spent a lot of time in the sweet shop on Van Buren Street.
I know what you mean about the changes in Newark. I get up there once in a while. I still have relatives in Newark and to them its the same. The only thing I hear them complain about is the parking. And now the taxes.

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Shelly Huber

shell56xxx@aol.com

Location:Saddle River, NJ

Friday, March 5, 2004 07:50 Host: cache-ra04.proxy.aol.com

Born in 1956. Graduated St. Benedicts Grammer School. Went to Essex Catholic HS.
Any old friends out there.Email me!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Shelly. Welcome Home.

rich:
Shelly, I graduated from St. Benedict's Grammar School with you and Essex Catholic HS. You grew up on Barbara St. DownNeck . Welcome back to OldNewark!

Barb:
Hi Shelly,
Welcome to old newark. Are you related to any of the Huber's from down neck?

Milt Schoenberger:
Quint didn`t mention that March 6th is his birthday as was his fathers. SO HAPPY BIRTDAY Quint

Quint:
Milt,
I didn't mean to confuse you when I said it was a special day for me too. It wasn't special because it was my birthday, it was because it was my deceased Dad's birthday and the day is special to me and my sisters as we remember what a great father he was to us...and a great American too!
However, I appreciate your good wishes and will apply them retroactively to Feb 26, my real birthday, a day on which you had previously wished me good tidings.

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Charles V. McCrea

cvm7365@aol.com

Location:Parlin,NJ

Friday, March 5, 2004 00:01 Host: cache-ra04.proxy.aol.com

One of the McCrea's from brill street, we are all healthy and doing fine.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Charles. Welcome Home.

rich:
Charles , Hello from the Olohans of Brill St. Tell your Mom & Dad that I said "Hi!".

Charles V. McCrea:
Hi Rich thanks for asking. In case any one wants to know, I attended St. Al's until it closed, graduated from Ann St, and East Side. I am currently a Newark Police Officer for 8 years and married. My father is a Battalion Chief with the Newark Fire Department and has been working for the city for 36 years now.

Bill Murphy:
Lyrea5642@aol.com
Charles - Are you related to Grover? He also went to St.Al's. Worked the same unit with him on NPD. Did you know the Mattice family?

Rich Sivertsen:
Charlie,
I retired NPD..Oh God, 15 years ago, can't believe it. My father-in-law was a Battalion Chief in Newark also. He retired in 1980. His name is Bill Schick. Ask your dad if he remembers him. He's 88 now and still kicking. Remarkable guy.

Phil Lynch:
Hey Charles,
My brother Danny says hello and will be getting in touch. Be careful out there. Are you still out there on the West side? I ran into Anthony Rawa a couple of weeks ago and he's in the third now.

Barb & Richie:
Hi Charles,
This is your cousin's from Old Bridge. The Conklin's and Byrne's have been on here awhile. Now you can fill in where we left off.
Tell your uncle Grover and your dad to have the cornbeef and cabbage ready for St. Patrick's Day.
Glad you found this site.

Charlie Herman:
Hi Charles, are you related to a Kathy McCrea from Newark. I had a friend by that name in the 1950's. That was our High School s.

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Sandy D'Addario

LiteracyLady@msn.com

Location:Iselin, NJ

Thursday, March 4, 2004 19:33 IP: 65.54.98.11

Born and raised in Vailsburg, lived there from 1938-1955. Just found out about this site from the article in today's Star Ledger. Went to Sacred Heart School in Vailsburg, graduated in 1951, then on to St. Vincent Academy in Newark. Graduated in 1955. I remember the 2 movie theaters on So. Orange Ave. One was the Mayfair and right now I can't remember the other. Double features with cartoons. Weisbrod Drug Store. Monsignor Murphy giving us days off from grammar school at the drop of a hat. The Cricklewood in So. Orange, Grunnings in So. Orange. So many memories--are any of my grammar school classmates out there?

Jule Spohn:
Hello Sandy. Welcome Home!!!

Another movie theater on South Orange Ave between 12th Street and Ashland Street was the old Strand Movie Theater. Further down on South Orange Ave near Camden Street was the old Congress Theater. And of course, up in Vailsburg, was the Stanley Theater.

Dorothy Gallagher:
Hi Sandy, I'm one of your High school classmates, Dorothy Gallagher Critchley. just wanted to say Hi.

Grew up in the projects. Alexander St class of 64. VHS class of 68. From the Parkway to Dover St on the No.31 bus I can still picture most So Orange Ave as it was 40 or so years ago. Sometimes you just don't know what you got till its gone.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Steve. Welcome Home.

Nicky G:
Hi Steve Remember sometimes menory is better the way it was than the way it is now its been about 40 year for me to but do get back to Jersey now and than.

Manny:
Welcome, Steve. I graduated Vailsburg High in 1966. By the way, there's another Newarker on this site who lives in Palm Desert. Look for him. His name is Quint.

Pat (Miceli) Haderthauer:
Hi Steve-I was in your class at Alexander but then went to Archbishop Walsh for HS. I posted our Alexander 8th grade class of '64 picture here on Old Newark...see if you can recognize anybody.

Pat(Miceli) Haderthauer:
Hi again Steve-
Are you in contact with anybody from Vailsburg? In October there is going to be a combined reunion for the classes 68,69 and 70. You can find info on the Delphi Forum site...Vailsburg Friends.

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Stuart Albert

ala250@aol.com

Location:New York, NY

Thursday, March 4, 2004 16:39 Host: cache-mtc-ab04.proxy.aol.com

The artical about the "Tavern" brought back wonderful memories for me.
I'm a South Orange boy, but I worked around the cornor from the "Tavern" on Empire St. We were the Gallo Wine distributors for the State of NJ and it was our habit to eat breakfast at the Weequakic Diner(with Leo & Morris Bauman looking over our shoulders and chatting with us as we ate), sometime lunching a monster sandwick & a beer at "Staches", but most of the time you could find us at the "Tavern".
My father-in-law, Larry Alexander (the co-owner of Gallo Wine Sales of NJ), his partner, Jerry Weil, and Larry's cousin Dave Slobodine were a fixture at their own designated table.
They came alone, together, with friends, business associates and customers. I can't say that I was an important person at the table, but I was there and part of the "Tavern's" history as well as our own.
I can remember that first time Ernest Gallo went with us for a luncheon meeting, he was so impressed with the restaurant that every time he came to NJ after that, he would make sure that we had our meal there.
It's sad, the passing of that era, but to have been part of those times, is of itself, what make the memories so sweet.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Stuart. Welcome Home. Nat Bodian did a wonderful write-up in the "Your Newark Memories" section a while back. Take a look at it. I'm sure that you will like it.

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
STU--WHEN I WAS ON PATROL IN THE 5TH PCT I WOULD STOP IN GALLOS--YOU FOLKS WERE VERY NICE TO US---DAN

Milt Schoenberger:
Hi Stuart,I do remember you from your East Brunswick days we had a mutual friend Marty Geller.My wife Ethel was a classmate at Columbia.Sorry we didn` see you at the Columbia reunion in Spring Lake in Sept.Hope allis well

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rich olohan

crrtpo@aol.com

Location:north arlington

Thursday, March 4, 2004 13:16 IP: 206.208.255.251

All, I read the Star Ledger Final Edition on line each day. You will find all the Newark related news and stories there. Copy and paste this URL and then bookmark it to your favorite places.

http://www.nj.com/starledger/

Nat Bodian:
rich:

Thank you.

I followed your instructions and was able to bring up Glenn's story in the Star-Ledger.

I made it a 'favorite place" so
I can in the future pick up news from editions other than mine.
-- Nat

rich:
Nat, Glad to be able to help you. I have several newspapers saved in my favorite places, but the Star Ledger tops my list.I'm not a Bergen Record fan here in Bergen County!

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Thursday, March 4, 2004 10:58 Host: cache-db01.proxy.aol.com

JANE ENGELHARD

There is an article in today obituary section about Jane Engelhard, the wife of precious metals magnate Charles Engelhard. She died this past Sunday at the age of 86 from pneumonia in Nantucket, Mass.

Both she and her husband gave millions to the Newark Museum to help it acquire over 63 works of art, and was one of the main contributors to the restoration of the Museum back in the 1980's at a time when many believed that it was a waste of time and money to support a cultural renaissance in Newark.

She and her flamyboyant husband were the model for the James Bond film Goldfinger.

I knew many people who had worked for Charlie Englehard over the years.

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Thursday, March 4, 2004 10:51 Host: cache-db01.proxy.aol.com

CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR OWN GLENN GEISHEIMER

There is a wonderful write-up about our own Glenn Geisheimer and oldnewark.com in the "Newark This Week" section of today's - March 4th, 2004 - edition of the Star Ledger. There is also a photo of him standing in front of St. Michael's Hospital - where he was born in 1951.

You can check it out on line by clicking onto the Star Ledger site which I think is starledger.com

There are many things which appear only in the "Newark Edition" of the Star Ledger and not in the suburban editions...
for example Charles Cummings articles on Newark.

Is there any way you can post that article on Glenn here so it is accessible to all Guestbookers?

-- Nat

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nat. I keep forgetting that those outside of the Newark area do not get the "Newark This Week" section. That's a shame.

I do not know how to get the article on this site. Perhaps later in the day when Glenn comes on like he'll know how to do it. I'm still pretty stupid when it comes to what I can and can't do on the computer.

rich:
Jule, Here is the URL to the story in today's Ledger about our WebMaster!Copy & paste in your browser.Better yet if Glenn will make it into a link here, I'm still "out to lunch" on that one.
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/essex/index.ssf?/base/news-4/10783846106190.xml

Bill M.:
Lyrea5642@aol.com
Glenn - Just read artcle from "Star Ledger" on line. Excellent report,bet you will have many new visitors to the site. -

Jack Keegan:
Jule,
Read the story on line,sure is great.
I just hope that it doesn't mean more work for our webmaster. Glenn I really don't know how , all we Newarkers can thank you

Jule Spohn:
Thanks Rich and everyone for that URL. Works just fine now.

marytee:
Thank you Glen for your sacrifices that give us the ability to connect-recollect and contribute on this site. From all I have read -you have been unselfish and dedicated in achieving excellence here.
From Florida, I say THANKS GLEN! Great job!

rich:
Jule, Happy to help out! Thanks to Glenn for the hyperlink!

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Jim T

JRTOTT@AOL.COM

Location:California

Thursday, March 4, 2004 02:25 Host: cache-ntc-aa02.proxy.aol.com

What ever happen to the Stella Wright Houses? They were off McCarter Hwy. I used to pass them on my way home from work. Scared the hell out of me.

Rich Sivertsen:
Jim,
I think you mean the Walsh Projects. I used to live in them. Scared the hell out of me to. It's been years but I think they're gone but not positive.

Hoping someone might be able to help! In the March 31 1942 Newark Evening News, my greatgrandmother is listed in the obit. It says that she belonged to "Council No. 112 of The Sons and Daughters of Liberty". Does anyone know where and what this group was about and if they still exist? Thanks for your time. John

Jule Spohn:
Hello John. You might want to contact the New Jersey Historical Society here in Newark at 52 Park Place next to the Robert Treat Hotel. Their phone number is 973-596-8500. Ask to speak with James Lewis who is head of the Special Collections Dept. If anyone has info on they this group will. Also, you might want to contact the Newark Library at 973-773-7775. Ask for the New Jersey Room and then ask for Bob.

Nat Bodian:
John:

In 1756, in Boston and other cities and towns, the coming of the American Revolution was speeded by mechanics, merchants, and artisans who organized against British tyranny. Calling themselves the Sons of Liberty they set up committees of correspondence in the colonies to speed detailed news about British attacks on their liberties.

Thre Council you mentioned may have been an offshoot of that group, similar to sons and daughters of the American Revolution.

-- Nat Bodian

Nat Bodian:
John Gaffney:

I seem to recall reading about one of the great patriots of the American Revolution, a Polish-Jewish immigrant by the name of Chaim Salomon.

He was imprisoned in New York for his activities with the Sons of Liberty, but enjoyed the freedom of his prison because of his fluency in both German and English and the soldiers in New York were 'hired' Hessians who spoke only German.

Salomon acted as an interpretor and had the freedom of the prison area. Speaking their language, he convinced many Hessians to defect from the British and come over to the American side with offers of free land.

Later, because of his connections with the Sons of Liberty he made his way to Philadelphia where he became prosperous and arranged financing for George Washington's forces encamped in Morristown.

Chaim Salomon is known as the 'financier of the American Revolution.' He died destitute having given all of his fortune to financing the Revolution.

There is a statue of Salomon together with George Washington and Robert Morris in Chicago.

-- Nat Bodian

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Wednesday, March 3, 2004 18:39 Host: cache-db01.proxy.aol.com

BALLANTINE BUILDINGS.

Thanks from a tip off from Nick D'Beneditto at Krug's last Saturday I took a ride down to the Ballantine buildings today to take some photoS of the six or seven grain elevators that are still standing and especially to get a shot of the one elevator which still has - fading, but still clearly visible - some of the grain stalks painted on it. In additon to these shots I got some good shots of the three ring symbols on the corners of the top of the building and a shot I didn't expect to get of the Ballantine three rings on the floor inside of one of the buildings. While taking the outside photos a car pulled up along side of me and a man nameed Jerry Rubin asked me what I was doing. Turns out he is the owner of the property today. I explained who I was and it was he who told me I had his permission to take the photo inside of the building. He also told me that it is NOT A DONE DEAL with the city of Newark regading tearing down these buildings to make way for the new East Side High. He said he wishes the city would "get off the pot" and come to a final deal with him. In the mean time he is hanging in limbo regarding his properties. You heard that here on oldnewark.com FIRST.

Phil Lynch:
Jule
There was an article in the Star Ledger last week about the location becoming a "New" Eastside High. Also right across the street from St. Aloyisus Church the Ballantine buildings still have the three rings on them and theres also a date on the building to. I also went to the Newark Police Museum on Monday. What a nice little exhibit!

Jule Spohn:
Hi Phil. I too was over by St. Al's and took some photo's of the church and school. I'll send them over to Glenn. I didn't see the Ballantine symbols on the building across from the church. I'll go back and try to take some photo's of them and also of the dte. Thanks.

This is for Jules or anyone else who has one the old address books.On Market ST there was a boxing gym in the area of the 200 number I think it was on the sceond Floor some reason I think it was over and army and navy store that about three building up from Mulberry st If anybody knows the or could find the name Thank you

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nicky. That was the old "Steele's Billiard Parlor" at 200 Market Street. Years later, and the name is still on the building, it was called Mannings. The Novelty Bar was at 220 and there was "Murray's Famous Bar" - both upstairs and downstairs - at 186. Katzen's uniforms was at 228. There was also a gym on the corner of Market and Mulbery Street way back when. Can't find the name right now but will look for it.

Jule Spohn:
Hello again Nicky. Went back to check on some address in that part of Market Street in 1951. Here goes: 234 Market (at the corner of Mulberry) was Phil's Billiard Academy on the 2nd floor. Heading toward Broad St from there at #230 was the "Arena Gymnaseum". At 226 was Hollywood Clothes; at 224 was Sportland Of Newark Amusements; at 222 was Thom McAnn's Shoes; at 218/220 was the Novelty Bar; at 216 was Bick drugs; 214 was Union National Bank; at 212 was Empire Chain Men's Clothing store; at 208 was Herman's Cut Rate Drug Store; at 206 was Hersh Army & Navy; at 200 was the Arcadia Lunch and also the Serv-Ace Tennis Co., sporting goods store; at 194 was King's Clothers; at 192 was Adler Shoes; at 190 was E. N. Plates stationery; at 188 was Stezter Morris Jewler; at 186 was Murray's Cafe Tavern and also Helen's Beauty Shop; and at the corner at 184 was Lewis Jewlers.

Nat Bodian:
Jule:

That Hersh Army & Navy at 206 Market Street rings a bell for me.

During World War II while stationed on remote Ascension Island in mid-South Atlantic
Ocean, I learned that the War Department had issued a newly designed uniform shoulder emblem for the South Atlantic Division of which I was a part.
I'd seen a picture of the emblem but no one had ever actually seen one.

I sent the picture home and my father found the emblem, he wrote in an Army & Navy store on Market Street and sent it to me. I was the only one who had it on his uniform and it attracted a lot of attention.

-- Nat

Nicky G:
Jules thank you that was the name I was looking for I`ll tell you do nice work.
Just got word from the Boxing hall of frame in New York State they said the name

Nat Bodian:
Nicky:

I know about that place you referred to as "Steel's Billiard
Parlor" but back in the early 1930s when I was a little kid, it was called "Steel's Pool Room" and when Miss Tyson, the attendance teacher from South Side High School would call up my mother to tell her that my older brother George was not in school, he was usually to be found at Steel's Pool Room.
I never heard it called anything else.

-- Nat

Quint:
Jule

That 188 Market St address you have as Stetler Morris Jewelers, could that by any chance be Morris Steigler, Jewelery? I used to buy gifts for my mom and sisters ( and former heart throbs) at Steigler's on Market St. Morris' son Sanford, was a classmate of mine and his daughter Honore (a knock out looking gal) used to work in the store part time.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Quint and everyone. Just went back and checked the phone list again. You are correct - the correct name at 188 Market Street is: Morris Steigler Inc. - Jewlers

Quint:
Folks,
My long term memory seems to be functioning just fine re: the Stiegler Jewelers...it's the short term memory I have trouble with...like what did I have for breakfast yesterday?

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gail gabrielson

www.gabeson2001@yahoo.com

Location:kansas city missouri

Wednesday, March 3, 2004 13:04 IP: 169.142.1.1

Moved to Ivy Hill from Brooklyn NY in 1953 I was 7 years old and Ivy Hill Apts were'nt completely finished. There were still barns on the property. I went to Scared Heart School than when Mt.Vernon opened I went there than onto Ivy Jr. High and Vailsburg High School. My older brother William graduated from Sacred Heart 54' and Seton Hall Prep 58'. My younger brother Gary graduated from VHS in 70'. I anyone remembers us give me a "heads up" GailKCMO

Manny, Tulsa:
Welcome, Gail, to a great place to be. What year did you graduate from Vailsburg? I graduated there in 1966.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Gail. Welcome Home!!! I lived in the Ivy Hill Apts at 25 Manor Drive from 1967 to 1974. Have lots of great memories of that area.

Jim Stewart:
Hi Gail, another friend and classmate of my wife, Liz Farrell. Will be in touch

Born and raised on Oakland Terrace in Vailsburg. Went to Lincoln School, Ivy Jr. High and Vailsburg HS, Class of 1964. My father was a teacher, also born and raised in Newark. He graduated from Barringer HS. He taught at Weequahic, East Side and Barringer. His name was Henry Donn (Donofrio). He was a Basketball coach with several city titles. I have my dad's scrap book from BHS in the late 1920's and all his diarys. I know he went to 15th Ave. School and I think Robert Treet. I have a light fixture from the original BHS auditorium in my kitchen. Both of my parents are buried at Fairmount Cem. near West Side HS. I could give you a store by store description of S. Orange Ave from Kilburn Church to the Dover Street bus turnaround, during the '50s & '60s. Some of the happiest times of my life were spent in "The Burg". So nice someone passed the site on to me. Would love to hear from others who are far from home.
SD

Ron Hayes:
Susan welcome to the old newark site.Your dad was my gym teacher at East Side High School he was a great man we all enjoyed the way he taught.He was always MR DONN.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Susan. Welcome Home. I grew up on South Orange Avenue and 12th Street near West Side High and probably know most of the stores you are talking about also. Glenn has recently posted photo's I sent him of Kilburn Church on this site. I've also sent him, I think, photo's of the still remaining Dover Street bus stop turnaround and signs. Off the top of my head right now I can remember the A&P, the drug store on the corner of Stuvyesant Ave, the Stanley Movie Theater, Marquierres Drug Strore on the corner of Sanford Ave and the bank, Sacred Heart Church, and St. Mary's Orphanage on the other corners, and of course Paul's Tavern on the corner of Reichileu Terr.

Quint:
Susan,
I knew your dad as Dr. Donn. He was a PhysEd teacher at Weequahic and also taught Health, a required course back in the '40s. I recall one of the projects your dad required was for his students to build a bibliography on 3x5 cards of all the health books we could find. I spent many hours in the Newark Library putting that project together. YOur dad was a very good teacher and well liked by his students. As you point out, he coached our basketball team to several City titles while I was a student at Weequahic.

Milt Schoenberger:
Hi Susan I graduated WHS jan 1947 and remember your Dad.He was a fine coach and though I din~t make the team.I didn`t miss many games.We had some great teams during your dads reign.One of his players Jack Charwin is a neighbor.Stay well

Quint:
Milt
I think you may have graduated with my sister Virginia.

Jack Bradley:
Did Henry Donn coach at Weequahic in the 30's? I'd be interested in knowing since my father, Al Bradley, attended WHS during the 30's. Thanks

I just sent out a mass mailing to people that have submitted information to the site. I'll post it below in case I've missed anyone:

I apologize for this impersonal email and mass mailing but I have to do it this way to save valuable time(over 60 people are receiving this, your email address is BCC).

Recently, I had to move the web site from one server to another. The move was very hard due to the problems that have been happening behind the scenes for over a year now. The web site has become very large and the program that I use for the site will not work anymore. I have to now convert the entire site to another program. Not only do I have to convert it to another program but I have to rewrite much of the code in the site and create databases so the site will not have these problems anymore. But to do this I need time to study the various computer languages and programs before I can even begin to do the transfer.

Due to this problem I can not add the information that you have submitted to the web site at this time. If I were to add the information that you have submitted to the existing site, it would make for double work and it would take far longer to make the entire conversion.

When I have converted the web site I will then be able to again add new material. I am making one exception to this. I will continue to add memories to the site. I have figured out a way to do this and not have double work.

So, if you have contributed information/images to the web site and have not seen it on the site, I will be adding them after the conversion. I apologize for this and please rest assured that I will add your info as soon as I finish. I will still accept any new info/images and I will hold them until I finish.

Also, if you have emailed me for lookups or asking for information, I will be unable to do this research until I have completed the conversion.

Thank You for your cooperation and understanding ( I am not at all happy that I have to delay the posting of your information/images),

Glenn G. Geisheimer

Jule Spohn:
Glenn. You are doing a terriffic job. Thanks for all of the hard work you put into this site.

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Tuesday, March 2, 2004 19:10 Host: cache-db01.proxy.aol.com

THE SPANISH TAVERN

Had lunch this afternoon at my favorite restaurant down neck - The Spanish Tavern - on McWhorter Street with two of my childhood friends Bob Pulcine and Tommy Tansey. We grew up together in the 40's and 50's on South Orange Ave and 12th Street. It was the first time in over 40 years that the three of us got together. We were talking about another friend from the neighborhood - Joe Gillespi. When I got home I called information and got his number and spoke with his wife with whom I also have not spoken in over 40 years. All in all it was an interesting afternoon. Does anyone remember any of these names?

Pat Miceli Haderthauer:
Hi Jule-
I don't know your friends but the Spanish Tavern was one of my favorites. When Frank and I lived on New York Ave we went often. When I taught at Oliver St. School, I would go with friends too. I really miss having the food choices I used to have in Newark. On my next visit to NJ I'll be looking for a Spanish or Portuguese meal...and I hope that I happen to be in town for one of your end of the month lunches with the Newark group, no matter what restaurant you are going to!!

Glad you had a good time with your old friends.

Glenn:
The Spanish Tavern is my favorite Down Neck restaurant but my wife and I usually go to Iberia.

rich:
Folks, All I can say is try Tony DaCaneca's Restaurant, Down Neck on the corner of Elm Rd and Houston St.A few blocks from Krug's Tavern.

Ron Hayes:
BARB AND RICHIE, CONGRATS AND THE VERY BEST TO DAWN BARBARA MAY SHE ALWAYS BRING YOU JOY AND HAPPINESS.wHAT COLOR IS HER HAIR,LENGTH AND TIME ECT.????

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
BARB--CONGRATULATIONS--DAN

Quint:
Congratulations Barb and Richie on becoming grandparents again(?)...and a new Dawn has arrived!

Pat McCormick:
Congratulations! I noticed your address. I live in Old Bridge also. I am off of Rt 18 behind St Thomas' Church. No matter where you go - there will always be someone from Newark!
God Bless Dawn!

Marytee:
Congratulations!
Nothing like a Grandchild to brighten up a life-Enjoy!

Barb:
Thank everyone,
It made me very happy to shre this event with you,
Thank you for all your good wishes :)

Glenn:
Congrats Barb!!

Janice:
Majopr congrats from Florida!.

Mary Ellen:
Hey ...CONGRATULATIONS! Wonder who the Barbara is after..!! Good luck to you all...being a grandparent is the best! Is this your first grandchild? If so, welcome to our club! Now you can brag like we do about our grandkids like we all do!
Again....congratulations Barb and Richie!

Barb:
Hi Mary Ellen,
Barbara is after both grandmother's.
This grandchild #10.
It took 38 years for a Dawn.
That was the name I choose if I would of had a girl.:)

Mary Ellen:
Hi Barb....what a nice name...and now you have it in your sweet grandaughter! Dawn is a very pretty name as is Barbara...
Congrats again....see you in the chat room one fine day!

Tomorrow, March 2, marks the 102nd anniversary of the birth of former Newark native and 1918 Barringer H.S. graduate Morris(Moe)Berg. Does anyone out there have any rememberances of family members talking about him? Anyone's parents or grandparents graduate with him? I am seeking any info at all about this former major league baseball player and great American. Please email me at: mscm08@aol.com

Rytis B #129
If you are new to Old Newark Welcome don`t remember the name in here before.
That is the Campisi we are talking about if know them Maybe Sam or myself might know you but what Anthony are you Talking about the big or little Anthony.

Thanks for the Old Newark, Marriage browser, It helped me find my 3rd Grt Grandparents, & the year they were married. All who have worked on your Website can be proud of the Great job that you have done. Regards; Bill

Anne H. Caruso:
Hi,
What is the old newark marriage browser?

Nicky G:
Hi Ann to find what you are looking Go back to the menu and hit Historical Menu and look down till you find it

Glenn:
I believe he's talking about the Marriages section. There are a few thousand 18th century marriages posted.

Hi
Anyone out there from North Newark? My grandparents had a house on High Street. There was a chicken market next door. It was around the cornor from Webster Jr. High school. My uncle had a candy store across from the Jr. high, his name was Jerry Malanga. Anyway, do you remember the feast of St.Gerard? My grandparents would take me and my sisters to the feast and we would go to St. Lucy's church on Sunday. The statue of St. Gerard would come past my grandparents house and we would pin dollars on it. Do they still have the feast? I remember when they built the Colannade apartment, and when they tore them down.

Nicky G:
Hi Jo Ann
Not being in Newark no longer but been to the feast many time there and also the ones on 14 ave they are no longer there You would have ask Jules when he comes on but I don`t think so they have them anywhere in Newark now a days. but I still go to Feast down here in Florida I`ll be going to one at the end March ST joseph`s

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
HI JOANN--I WENT TO WEBSTER JR HS--50'S--WE WOULD GO TO YOUR UNCLE S STORE--I REMEMBER A GUY WOULD BE THERE ALL THE TIME --HIS NAME WAS "CHARLIE THE BLADE"--CHARLES TOURINI--I DONT REMEMBER THE CHICKEN MARKET--THE FEAST IS STILL IN OPERATION--DAN--

Jule Spohn:
Hello Jo-Ann and everyone. Yes indeed, St. Lucy's still celebrates the Feast of St. Gerard in a big way. The children and grandchildren still come down to Newark and support St. Lucy's in a big way, especially on the Feast of St. Gerard, which, I think, is celebrated in August each year. If you haven't been back to St. Lucy's in awhile I suggest you come sometime for the Sunday Mass. I don't know when you were there last, but there is a very beautiful "Plaza" directly in front of the church now and where there was once those horrible Columbus Houses, there are now very nice two story town houses which are kept up very well. The whole area that you are speaking of has held up very well - mostly Hispanic now, but alive and vibrant. Still a good place to live.

Over on 14th Avenue when I grew up in the 40's and 40's St. Rocco's celebrated all of the Saints Feast days with parades, block parties, etc. That is not a nice area today.

Jule Spohn:
Hello again Jo-Ann. Me again. You are confusing the Colonnade Apt's with the Columbus Homes. The Colonnade Apt's are still standing and seem to be doing OK. It was the Columbus Homes that were put up when they "blighted" the area back in the mid 50's and chased out thousands of Italian familes who had been in that neighborhood for decades and then put up those projects. It didn't take very long - 20 years - for that certain element to destroy them and they eventually had to torn down. The last buildings came down several years ago - Thank God.

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
JULE--THE BUILDING OF THOSE "PROJECTS" WERE THE SHAME OF NEWARK--7TH AVE--17TH AVE--MC CARTER HIGHWAY----MY FAMILY LIVED AT 24 GARSIDE ST FOR GENERATIONS--WE WERE FORCED TO MOVE OUT FOR "PROGRESS"--THE PROGRESS TURNED OUT TO BE THAT THE NEW RESIDENTS WOULD URINATE IN THE HALLWAYS--THROW GARBAGE AND DEBRIS OUT OF WINDOWS--SHOOT DRUGS ON THE ROOF AND HALLWAYS--VICTIMIZE THEIR NEIGHBORS--YES--I SAW IT HAPPEN--IT ONLY TOOK MONTHS AFTER THESE UNDESIRABLES MOVED IN---WE HAD HARDLY ANY CRIME IN THE OLD 1ST WARD--THEN CRIME BECAME RAMPANT---WHAT A SHAME--DAN

Rich Sivertsen:
Hey Dan, Hold on there buddy. Remember I was a product of the Walsh Products. I was one of the first to move in there and it really wasn't that bad when they first opened. I can remember clearing out the fields in back of 1971 McCarter Highway for all of us kids to play ball on. No doubt as time passed they became "undesireable." I've got a lot of good memories down there. Moved out when I got married in 1960. By the way, I didn't know you went to Webster. I was there for 1953 then went on to BHS.
Charlie the Blade, Wasn't he a teacher at Webster or am I thinking of someone else.

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
YOUR RIGHT RICH--THEY WERE THE BEST--THEN THEY WENT DOWN THE TUBES--CHARLIE THE BLADE--WAS A BOOKMAKER--ALIAS-CHARLIE WHITE--ALIAS CHARLES DANIELS--DOB 3/27/05-HE SAID HE WAS A BARBER-DAN

Jule Spohn:
Hello Rich. You are right. I had some of my "playmates" from my childhood neighborhood move into those buildings right after they were first built. Don't remember their names after all these years, but I do remember them moving there. Went to visit them a few times. The apt's were pretty nice. However, it didn't take too many years for them to start to decline, and in the end they were a disaster. I still don't know why, after these 62 years, how you can have one class of people live in tall apt buildings with no problems, but when you put another class of people into those same types of buildings they destroy them. I've heard all the so-called politically correct mumbo jumbo over all the years and I still don't buy any of it. Social Economics has nothing to do with it. Heck, most of us on this website came from poor backgrounds and look what we did with our lives. Our families never destroyed or looted their homes or neighborhoods. Gotta stop, because I can feel my blood pressure starting to rise just thinking of it.

Mary Ellen:
Jule...I feel the same way as you do about the projects and apartments that were home to families for generations.When the Columbus projects opened...we were the first tenants on the 4th floor. In 7 months the buildings were damaged and almost unlivable
due to people doing what ever they pleased, AND getting away with it! We moved out because my mother was worried about me so we moved back to Broadway across the street from where my Gram had her store.
Jo-Ann...What yr did you graudate high school? Do you remember Miss Katz? I went there briefly and from what I was told...she was there for many of the parents of the students. She was something else!
I am from North Newark...Broadway , between 3rd and Van Wagenen Sts.I went to St Michaels grammar and high schools. My graduating class was 1958.Maybe you and I met? Welcome to this site!

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
MARY ELLEN---MISS KATZ---AN AMAZING TEACHER--4 feet 11 INCHES--ABOUT 95 LBS SOAKING WET--THE NAZIS GAVE HER A TATTOO---SHE COULD "HOLLER" ON YOU LOUDER THAN ANYONE---SHE CALLED MY FATHER TO SCHOOL EVERY 2 WEEKS--I THOUGHT THEY WERE LOVERS (LOL)SHE WOULD CALL US HOODLUMS-WORTHLESS PIECES OF FLESH-LUMOXES-AND DREKHEADS--(AND SHE WAS RIGHT)SHE WOULD KEEP US AFTER SCHOOL EVERY DAY SHE COULD--AND TOLD US THAT WE WOULD LEARN-IN SPITE OF OUR STUPIDITY--GUESS WHAT--SHE DID TEACH US--GOD BLESS HER--OF COURSE, AT THAT TIME WE HATED HER----WHEN I BECAME A POLICE OFFICER IN 1962--I BROUGHT HER FLOWERS-GAVE HER A HUG AND KISS-AND THANKED HER--SHE HAD A PART TIME JOB AT THE "LERNER SHOPS" ON BROAD ST--AND WHENEVER SHE KEPT US AFTER SCHOOL SHE LOST MONEY BY NOT GOING TO HER PART TIME JOB--"GOODNIGHT MISS KATZ-WHEREVER YOU ARE--AND THANKS AGAIN" DAN

Mary Ellen:
Hi Dan...wow...Miss Katz sure did her job well. Wish there were teachers like her today. How good of you to do what you did...you must have made her feel so good.
Like I said...I was there briefly but I do remember her as she was just like you said. Little and LOUD! She got the attention of her class thats for sure. I still remember what she looked like and that was a very long time ago.I remember her working at Lerners...God love her...I wonder how many thank her like you do, for her efforts.
Have a good day Dan.

David De Carlo:
Jo-Ann. We still go to the feast in October. It is very small just around the church but the crowds are large and the saint has a lot of money tied onto it before it leaves the church on its march through the old ward. Still have great memories of the old First Ward.

Joanne Urna Murphy:
Are you related to the Malangas who lived on Mt Prospect Ave between Park and Bloomfield Aves? They were my grandparents.

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Saturday, February 28, 2004 21:04 Host: cache-db01.proxy.aol.com

LUNCH AT KRUG'S

We had a great time at Krug's this afternoon. Fifteen people showed up - Glenn, Nat, Dee, Ron Hayes, John McEvoy and his wife Fran, Harold Kravis, Nick D'Beneditto and his wife Pattie (arrived late but hopefully will have more time to spend with them in the months ahead), and some friends of mine who are also former Newarkers - Tom and Betty Ward, Caroline Sears, Tommy Tansey, and Dottie Tortorello. Took a bunch of photo's and will get them over to Glenn in a few days. We'll do it again on the last Saturday of March. Come one, come all.

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
JULE--SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS HAD A GREAT TIME--I HAD TO TEACH--WHEN IS THE NEXT ONE???? DAN

Jule Spohn:
Hello Dan. Next one will be the last Saturday in March. I'll post more about it later.

Jule Spohn:
I forgot to mention that those of you where weren't there at Krug's in body were there in spirit. Many names of oldnewarkdotcommers were bantered about back and forth during the two or more hours we were there.

Barb:
Sounds like a great time:)
We will make one. March 27 the last day of March is my Granddaughters birthday, So, I guess we'll have to push for April.
Will be up there for St Patrick's Day.
Hope some of you can make that:)
Yes, Dee I will be there:)

Dee:
All had an enjoyable time, I know I did.

Hey Jule,
Dottie gave me an open invite to visit her at her home...since she lives on Ann St, and I'm only several blocks away. I like her, she's one neat lady.

Nick DeBenedetto..glad I had the opportunity to meet and chat a few mins, with you and your lovely wife. C'ya's next time, hopefully. I did ask an old neighborhood friend of mine, if he remembered any DeBenedetto's DN..knew I wasn't nutz...he said he too remembered the name, and the same person I that recalled, from way back when.

Barb..I have no doubt, you will be at the Post after the Parade on the 21st of March. That seems to be the one place you do manage to get to every year. See you then!

Ron..I knew you had a sense of humor..LOL Was good to meet you.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Dee. Dottie and I go way back. As a matter of fact she was my baby sitter when I was a baby. Her mother and mine, and another woman whose daughter is Carol were friends from the neighborhood. To this day Dottie, Carol, and I have remained in touch with each other all these years - over 62 for me alone. Talk about long term friendships, eh?

Dee:
Jule,
I think it's a wonderful thing, that that connection has withstood, steadfast..all these years.

Glenn:
It was great meeting everyone that was there and I'm sorry that I missed Nick and his wife (I'm looking for a tour of the Courthouse : ) )

This one is for the older people like me
How many of you remember in the later 40`s going to the St James dances I don`t remember the night I`m thinking Friday.Don`t forget I`m not a down necker and I went there
Dee your to young to remember this

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nicky. I went to St. James High School and we had the Friday night dances there still at that time. Everyone had a good "clean" time back in those days.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Nicky and all. Meant to say I went to St. James from 1956 to 1960 etc., etc., etc.

Nicky G:
Jules I guess you and me are the only ones knew about or the others didn`t dances.

Dee:
Nicky G,
I'll have you know, that I was BORN dancing..and am gonna leave this planet, still dancing! And that's the truth..It's in my bloodlines! :)

Dancing in the house, the schools, East Side/Independence Park..any place that had/has music to dance to.

Hey Jule..I should of thought of plugging in the jukebox yesterday, when at Krug's..played the music, and whoever wanted to dance, could of. Hindsight's always 20-20. Had a most enjoyable time there though. Was great to meet and talk, with all who attended.

Nicky G:
Dee you look at it wrong I said to young not that you could not dances

Dee:
Nicky,
I was just funnin' with ya..I know how you meant it.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Dee. Yes indeed, it was good to finally meet you and all the rest of the oldnewarkers who were there. I thought that it turned out pretty good.

Barb:
Hi Jules,
My cousins and Richie's brothers went to St. James
Margret and Eddie owers were there and his brothers Joe and Tommy Billy Conklin from 1956 to 1960+.

Barb:
That was Margret and Eddie Powers

Manny:
I'm jealous because everyone had a good time at Krug's, but I was not there. If it's any consolation to those of you who went to Krug's, I kept looking at my watch Saturday, wondering what that party must be like. I'll attend one of them soon. Just have to figure out when the best time is for me to make my Newark pilgrimage.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Barb. What were some of their last names. I remember Billy Conklin very well. He was a year or so behind me. As a matter of fact I was the yearbook photographer for my junior and senior year and ran the camera club. In my 1960 yearbook there is a photo with some of the members of the club and one of those members is Billy Conklin. another one of the guys in that photo is Billy Tansey. Billy Tansey's brother Tommy Tansey and I were, and still are close friends. Tommy Tansey was with us yesterday at Krug's. As you cousins if they remember Tommy Tansey and/or Jimmy Deck - two of my closest friends from childhood and St. James. I'm still in touch with both.

Barb:
Hi Jules,
Billy is my brother in law.
Tommy Darcy who bartends at Krug's are our cousin's. Billy lives in Virginia now. He will be up here for St. Patrick's Day. Billy, Tommy,Mike Conklin and Grover Mc Crea do all the cooking at the post.
Small World:)

Jule Spohn:
Hello Barb. Thanks for the update. Tell Billy I said hello when you seen him. It's been 44 years since I've seen him.

Barb:
Hi Jules,
I'll tell him we comes up for St. Patrick's Day. They are celebrating on March 21, if get a chance stop in at the post,
It's 5 minutes from Krug's.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Barb. Not sure of my work schedule for that day. I am off every other weekend. If I'm off I'll try to stop down.

I knew about the Kenney Memorial Hospital when I was a little kid. It was around the corner from where I lived and faced the Besth Israel Hospital
just across West Kinney Street where I was taken weekly as a small child for allergy treatments.

Thanks to all that responded to my question about Plane St. Jule, I ran into a friend of yours, Mike Hamilton at his new pub. We talked a bunch about the McGovern's days and a photo of your dad that is there. Mike also said you have a photo taken in around 1936 of a pipe band on South Orange Ave. I'm now playing with the McGovern's band and this would be of interest.E-mail me if you could help. Thanks a bunch.

Jule Spohn:
Hello John. OK. I'll send you an e-mail when I get home later tonight.

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Sam Lisanti

Location:HO HO KUS NJ

Friday, February 27, 2004 13:16 Host: user92.07014.com

Hi Nicky G.
Yes Pauline Campisi passed away and so did Christine Campisi.(Mossie's wife)from 14th Ave. I haven't been on the sight for a few weeks. Having several tests done. One more to go. Hope I'll be ok. And Barb was right. Tuesday night dances at West Side Park.
Regards Sam

Nicky G:
Sam you got to get better so we could hear from you more.
Sam did you move I though you were from Toms River now

Sam:
Nicky,
No I'm not from Toms River. Have relatives there. (who doesn't) I've lived in Ho Ho Kus for 14 years now. After next Tuesday I'll find out if I'm ok...Thanks for your concern.

Your cousin Joan:
Hi Sam,
I haven't heard from you in a long time. I haven't been on this sight for a long while. Hope your ok. I'll call you this week end.

Nicky G:
Sam don`t worry my friend there will be good news for you if lord keeps me here this long he will keep you here longer Sunday I`ll talk to him

Sam:
Nicky,
You are a true friend. Thank you. Question..Do you remember the name of the Tavern or Club the Campisi's owned on So. Orange Ave in Vailsburg? And which one of the Campisi's owned it.

Nicky G:
Sam Don`t remember the name of club but it was on West End ave just off So Orange Ave

Nicky G:
To the above Ididn`t finish Nay nay own it

Rytis B.:
Any relation to the Campisi's that lived on Laurel Place in Vailsburg ? I used to occasionally hang out with Anthony in the 60s.

Manny:
Sam,

I think the name of that club on South Orange Avenue near West End was called the Roundtable Lounge.

Ed:
The Roundtable was owned by "Petey White"

Sam:
Thats it..The Roundtable. I remember Petey Black who passed away last year. Petey White and Petey Black - were they Brothers? Its been a long time since I saw any of them

J.M.:
Pete White and Pete Black were cousins. There were a lot of Peter's and Carmen's. Carmen's brother Anthony is a teacher in Paterson today.

Sam:
Thanks for the update J.M.
Were you from 14th ave?

Sam:
For J.M.
Wasn't there a Carmen (Pee Pee)
Campisi?

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Friday, February 27, 2004 11:56 Host: cache-db01.proxy.aol.com

ROSE ANN MC KEOWN - 96

An obit in today's Star Ledger says that Rose Ann McKeown, the former food manager at McGovern's Tavern for many, many, years before she retired in 1984, has died. She was the oldest living member of the Frank McGovern Association in Newark. She was born in Brackagh Emyvale, County Monaghan, Ireland and lived in Newark and Kearny before moving to Baltiomore seven years ago.

There will be a funeral Mass for her tomorrow in St. Stephen's Church in Kearny.

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marytee

Location:-

Friday, February 27, 2004 10:13 IP: 127.196.8.67.cfl.rr.com

After growing up in Newark and recalling all your memories,how would you say you improved upon your life now as opposed to then?

`Nat Bodian:
Marytee:

Now is Now ... Then was Then.

I would say most of us improved
on our lives just by surviving
and being productive in whatever ways we were able to make our contributions.

I think some of us also have been able to add luster to our past Newark life by recalling
on the Old Newark website some of the bright spots and smoothing out some of the rough ones.

-- Nat

Nicky G:
Marytee How could any one say anything else after the way Nat put it.

marytee:
WEll put Nat and so very true. I may not have worded it correctly but I wondered what Newark gave us as kids to take into our adulthood and into our today? Each may have an opinion as I know growing up there gave me many things that took us all the way to Florida!
I believe Newark days built character-work ethics-so many qualities we bettered ourselves with.

Barb:
Hi Marytee,
Growing up down neck in the 50's can't compare to any other era. I have grown from what I learned from my younger years.
The memories on here are amazing. I could put myself back into that time in a heart beat. But unfortunatley we all have to move forward. I wouldn't change anything from then or in the present.
Just glad to have found this site and so many people to walk down memory lane with.
Hope this keeps going for a long time:)

CT:
Hello Marytee,
I really believe my Newark way of up bringing gave me some wonderful gifts (although I didn't think so at the time)..I have great respect for the dollar...Honisty is the best policy..Do unto others (etc) is the only way...working for anything makes it worthy and valued...lookin out for the little guy ..being loyal to your friends...So many lessons and things from how I was raised back then have really enriched me and
how I have lived my life since then

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
YOU FOLKS COVERED SOME VERY IMPORTANT POINTS---NEWARK TAUGHT US HOW TO DEAL AND INTERACT WITH DIVERSE GROUPS OF PEOPLE---BEING RAISED POOR TAUGHT ME TO WORK HARD AND SEEK AN EDUCATION--AND IF I HAVE TO USE ONE WORD TO DESCRIBE HOW WE SHOULD TREAT OTHER PEOPLE THAT WORD WOULD BE "RECIPROCITY" TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED. ONE LAST POINT--I HAVE A SAYING--"DONT CALL ME BROTHER--ACT LIKE ONE"-DAN

Mary Ellen:
Hi Marytee, the one big thing I learned growing up in Newark was family unity! No matter where life brought me, I always remember, now anyway, how much my family means to me. By family, I mean everyone who played a hugh part in raising my brother and I!
Life today is far from the life we led...but then values are not the same anymore either.Being from a closeknit neighborhood allowed for us to move on to our adult lives and while we all made mistakes we rose above of all to be successful membors of society.
Thanks in part to our growing up in Newark. Thats a good question marytee...thanks for asking us!

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John Mc Evoy

Location:-

Friday, February 27, 2004 08:19 Host: proxy2.monmouth.army.mil

I saw the Scanlons again, and you guys are correct. Some one said Leo Carlin died about a year ago.

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John Mc Evoy

Location:-

Friday, February 27, 2004 08:18 Host: proxy2.monmouth.army.mil

Sue S. Back in the original message board before the 2nd one was started we did quite a bit about the BATH HOUSES in Newark. (See mwessage 191) I worked as a life guard at both of the Newarrk Bath houses. One was on the corner of Wilson Ave & Alea St. There is an apartment building there now, but the marble steps are the same. The other was on Morris Ave between Springfield & So Orange Aves. The Bath houses were built around 1900 becuse most homes didn't have bathtubs, showers or hot water. When I worked there 1961/2 it cost a dime. You got a piece of soap a towel a locker and could take a shower and a swim. In those days the Newark High school swim teams worked out at the Bath houses. They probably closed about 35 years ago.

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:-

Friday, February 27, 2004 01:34 Host: cache-db01.proxy.aol.com

LUNCH AT KRUG'S TAVERN

Hope to see many of you there this coming Saturday at 1pm. The address once again is 118 Wilson Ave. Plenty of parking in the rear. There will be two "special people" there. A good time should be had by all.

Dee:
Jule,
I'll be there, for sure..and, on time. A good time WILL be had by all!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Dee. I called them yesterday and told them to expect us. It should be a good day. See you tomorrow.

Dee:
So Jule,
You gave them prior notice, that our Unit will be landing at their base encampment, for a little R&R and restock of our food/beverage supplies!...LOLOL

This gathering will surely be, (as Arte Johnson of Laugh-In, used to say)"verrrrry interrrresting"..and fun. The "countdown" has started... C'ya's all manana!!

CT:
Jule,
can you give me directions from 22 west ...really want to try to make Thanks

Jim Bates:
Jule:

I can't make it tomorrow, but I hope to be able to attend a future luncheon.

Regards Sam Lisanti:
Hope all of you have a great time!! Hope to make it myself some other time.

Jule Spohn:
Hello CT. I think that the best way from 22 West is to get onto 21 North as you approach downtown Newark. It is very well marked at that point. 21 North is McCarter Hwy. You will be riding along side of the old raised train tracks coming into Newark. Just before you get to Market Street you will want to make a right turn on any of those streets and then get onto Ferry Street. Take Ferry Street all the way down until you see a large church with a white steeple directly in front of you. Ferry St goes off to the left at that point and Wilson Ave goes off to the right. Stay right and go to 118 Wilson Ave - Krug's Tavern. There is a parking lot in the rear. We'll be there around 1pm or so.

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Sue S.

Location:Trenton, NJ

Thursday, February 26, 2004 20:18 Host: maxtnt01-sdf-162.fast.net

I thought it was rough growing up in a house with 4 people and 1 bathroom, until I remembered my Grandparents in Newark with 2 adults, 8 kids (5 of them girls) and only 1 bathroom.I asked my Aunt what it was like and she said it was awful, but mentioned a "Bath House". My Mother went to one in Jersey City. It was a place you could go and take a shower for a fee. This one may have been on Wilson Ave. Anyone remember this place? Were the showers hot and how much did it cost?

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
SUE--WILSON NEAR ALEA ST--DAN

Nicky G:
Hi Sue in the early day as far as the shower go the only place was the bath.
Anyway you pay 5 cents to get in there was a men time and a lady because ther was a swiming pool and you had to go in with your birthday suit on

TOMMY"O":
SUE..I GREW UP IN NEWARK WITH 6 SISTERS AND ONE BROTHER..I COULDN'T GET IN THE BATHROOM FOR THREE YEARS..I USED TO USE THE GAS STATION DOWN THE STREET.

Dee:
Go figure. Nowadays there are people, who have maybe 2, 3, or no children, living in homes (and some apts) with not just 2 bathrooms; but 3 and 4 of them! More bathrooms than children, or adults..LOL

Nicky G:
Tommie O
I think you are telling this Lady a story.
Where have you been I need you and Sam to keep me up on things

Barb:
When I was growing up we had bathrooms in the hallways and more then on family had to share it.
Some houses still had out houses.

TOMMY"O":
NICKY..THE COMPUTER WENT CRAZY...VIRUS PERHAPS

frank wells:
sue there was a public bath house to the rear of wilson ave school. fee was 10 cents soap and towel were provided and most of all us kids had a great time in the swimming pool on wednesday after school.

Okay people down memory lane how many of you remember going West Side Park on I think was Wednesday night to band conect.
Or how many of you remember going to the football rally on Friday night at West Side High
Sorry people I could only talk for West Side

Barb:
Hi Nicky,
I went to West Side Park Dances. On Tuesday nights during the summer. I remember Junior, he was a great dancer.

Nicky G:
Barb You might be right on the night.
Barb I thought you were from down neck

Quint:
I remember it as Wednesay...it was one of those nights anyway. I remember the gals walked around the band stand in one direction and he guys in the other, eyeballing each other. I think Joe Basile provided the music.

Nicky G:
Quint your about that

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
JOE BASILE WAS THE BAND LEADER AT OLTMPIC PARK TOO--DAN

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
OLYMPIC-DAN

Dan Sachs:
Anyone here from West Side High School class of 1936? That's the year my parents graduated.

Barb:
I am from down neck. We had our dances on Wednesday at Independance Park and Thursday at Riverbank Park.
But we always went to other Schools when they had different things going. I friends all over Newark:)

J.M.:
My uncle had a dry cleaners down neck by Independence Park. We were always told to stay out of the park that there were gypies.

Quint going back to 109 you ask about a gym you are right the gym was on Broad st before the American shop move in and had to move because of the American shop move in than they moved to Market st let say across from the old Newark News. Now the name I don`t remember but I will see may be I could find it

Quint:
Nicky,
Yes, I remember the gym being on Market St too...across from the Newark News, as I recall.

Nick y G:
As soon as I see my son we might get you a Name he got all the old books

Seymour:
In that area there was Steele's Pool hall and/or Stillmans Gym' Dont forget the Bluebird Ballroom ,right down the street. "A dime a dance ".

Jule Spohn:
Hello guys. The building on Market Street, across from the Newark News Building, was Stillman's Billard Parlor at #200 Market Street. The Newark Evening News was at #215, and just across the little street there - Beaver Street, on the same side, was Grant's Lunch. A few doors down from that heading toward Broad Street was the Paramount Theater at #195. All of these building are still standing.

Some of you may have read in the newspapers about the plans to build the new sports arena in downtown Newark. This is exactly the block where it will go - between Market and Green Street (near City Hall), and between Broad and Mulberry. All of these old buldings you remember will be torn down to make room for it. I'm not so sure that it is a wise move to put this arena right in the middle of downtown Newark.

Hope I remember this right. One of the first super markets in Newark was on Mt. Prospect and Heller Parkway. NW corner or a little bit further north but close to the corner. I remember the large amount of excavation because before the super market it was a steep slope up from Mt. Prospect. This was in about 1940. The name of the store was the "Big Chief." Is any of this right? I would not be surprised to hear that there is still a super market there. Maybe a Safeway now.

Webmaster:
Big Chief Market
700 Mt. Prospect Avenue

I don't know what's there now.

Rich Sivertsen:
Tom,
When I was a young teenager back in the early fifties I worked in that supermarket. It was a little North of Heller Parkway going towards the firehouse and I believe it was an Acme at the time. I only worked there a short time.

Rich Sivertsen:
Tom,
I worked there as a young teenager back in the early 50's.
It was North of Heller Pkwy, just before the firehouse. If I remember right, it was an Acme back then. I only worked there a short time.

MARGARET JOOST:
DO YOU REMEMBER THE BIG BEAR IN THE 30S. IT WAS ON FRELINGHUYSEN AVE.

Frank Harrison:
During the 50's wasn't this an Acme supermarket? I remember playing in the lot with the steep slope, which to a city kid seemed like the wild woods.

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Pat (Miceli) Haderthauer

Location:-

Wednesday, February 25, 2004 00:01 Host: ip68-97-49-95.ok.ok.cox.net

I saw this on Vailsburg Friends and thought that maybe someone here might be interested.
Ocean County College (Toms River) will be having a one day seminar on "The Glory Days of Downtown Newark" on April 17th, 1-3 PM. The cost is $23 and you must register by April 8th.

That's all the info I have. If you live in that area and see it listed somewhere, please post any additional info you find.

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john berghoefer

mrbergman@enter.net

Location:newark nj

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 21:20 Host: njtnt-1-402.dialup.enter.net

Great site. I'm creating lesson plans for a rescue course and I'm working on heavy lifting and moving. The old photos of plane #12 are going to be handed out to the students. Maybe someone can answer a question? Was plane street named after plane #12? And when was the street renamed University Ave. Thank you very much!

Jule Spohn:
Hello John. Plane Street was probably renamed University Place after Rutgers became established there - sometime in the late 60's or early 70's.

rich:
I thought that the Plane St. name originated with the Morris Canal route through Newark but it doesn't look that way according to the old maps.

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
I THINK THE NAME CHANGED AROUND 1967-68--DAN

Nicky G:
Dan it had to be after that I left in 72 and it was still Plane st

Rich I`m with you this old Map I got thanks to Dee it looks like Plane st been there a very long time I don`t know what plane #12 was

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MARGARET JOOST

MCR1839@AOL.COM

Location:FL

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 18:16 Host: cache-mtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com

IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO GRADUATED FROM CENTRAL HIGHT IN JUNE 1939 OR ST. ROSE OF LIMA IN JUNE 1935.

Nicky G:
Hi Margaret Not me but I think Nat was there about that time

Pat McCormick:
My mother-in-law graduated St Rose around that time. Her name was Mary Duddy McCormick. Her brother also graduated from there. His name is Tom Duddy. She has passed on now but I also graduated from St Rose but at a later time - 1968. My father-in-law graduated from Wequake (sp) High. His name is William McCormick and he had 4 siblings - Joan, Thomas, Edna, and Edward.

Nat Bodian:
Margaret Joost:

Welcome CHS June 1939.
I graduated Jan. 1939

George Dlouhy from Down Neck,
who graduated with me in Jan.
'39 lives in St. Petersburg.
Possibly he may be your neighbor.

-- Nat Bodian

MARGARET JOOST:
PAT MCCORMICK:

YES, I DO REMEMBER MARY DUDDY QUITE WELL. SORRY TO HEAR SHE IS NO LONGER WITH US.

MARGARET JOOST:
NAT BODIAN:

I REMEMBER YOU VERY WELL. YOU WROTE IN MY YEARBOOK "WHERE BRAINS ARE LACKING LOOKS HELP."

Pat McCormick:
My mother-in-law only passed 4 years ago. She has 5 children and 7 grandchildren. They all grew up in Newark and went to St Antoninus. Some went on to Essex Catholic and one to St James.
I am also from Newark. My mom's family is from downneck. My grandfather was a barber on Ferry Street and my uncle was a lawyer on Ferry. My mom went to East Side I think. She is one of 12 kids. Their last name is DeRose.
If you want to visit a website about St Rose it is http://www.thecanteen.com/saintrose.html. Click into the Bodholt's section. There may be some people from your year there.

rich:
Pat, Do you remember the Lawrence family from St. Rose's?My wife graduated in 1969, her brothers and sister all graduated before or after her (4 borothers and 1 sister)Is Mike McCormick related to you?

Pat McCormick:
I asked my husband and my father- in -law and there's no Mike McCormick as far as he knows.
I might remember a Laurence family. What street did they live on. My maiden name is Brown and I grew up on 5th street near Park Avenue. I could listen to the City Subway from my bedroom window.

rich:
Pat, The Lawrence family is from North 6th St. , Catherine gaduated in 1969 ,Mary in 1970,John in 1967. I know a Eugene DeRose from DownNeck,,Elm St.

Pat McCormick:
Rich,
Don't know a Eugene. My uncle's names are Carmen and Marty. The other 10 siblings were all girls. I don't know how my grandmother did it. They lived on Ferry Street upstairs from the barbershop and later moved to Walnut - accross from Independence Park. Many of my aunts married and lived down neck for many years.

Barb:
Hi Pat,
Was that Pat's Barber Shop/ He had the barpole in front of it. He was next to a vegtables store across the street from Jelley's
His last name was DeCova
and lived on Wall Street.

Dan
Had some people from Jersey down for a few days went to Carrabbas didn`t like it my wife had Truot was good I had veal pra and Spaghetti.
Like my Italian wife tells me when you want Italian you go to a Italian.

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rich olohan

crrtpo@aol.com

Location:north arlington

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 14:33 IP: 206.208.255.251

For all of our Newark Police Officers, I saw this obituary in today's Star Ledger :

Frederick B. Lauer, WWII vet, 87, Newark police lieutenant

Tuesday, February 24, 203

Services will be private for Frederick B. Lauer, 87, of Galloway Township, who died Thursday in Atlantic City Medical Center, Pomona.

Arrangements are by the Holmdel Funeral Home, Holmdel.

Mr. Lauer was a policeman with the Newark Police Department for 25 years before retiring as a lieutenant in 1987.

He served in the Army Air Corps during World War II.

Born in Newark, Mr. Lauer lived in Columbus before moving to Galloway Township two years ago.

Billy B:
Hi Rich the Red shack was on brill street Ballantines parking lot for the trucks almost across from your famlies house

rich:
Billy, just read your post here, I posted a reply back on the trivia page to you. You must be from Brill St. or that area.

Barb:
Billy B,
How are you? Waiting to see if your from 143 Brill Street.

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rich olohan

crrtpo@aol.com

Location:north arlington

Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:00 IP: 206.208.255.251

Here's an article about the new Science High School ,interesting read:

Saw this obituary in The Ledger on Saturday, I believe that this is Charlie Fusari's brother from what my Father told me after reading it in the paper, but it does not mention Newark at all.Nicky,what do you have to tell us about the Fusaris?
BARRINGTON, Mich. -- A memorial service will be scheduled in New Jersey for Thomas Fusari, 82, of Barrington, formerly of New Jersey, who died Tuesday at home.

Mr. Fusari was a self-employed heating and air conditioning technician for more than 25 years in the shore area of New Jersey before retiring.

He served in the Army during World War II.

He was a member of numerous bowling leagues in New Jersey and had been a professional boxer as a young man.

Born in Alcomo, Sicily, Mr. Fusari lived in Hazlet, N.J., Loch Harbor, N.J., and Howell, N.J., before moving to Michigan.

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
I MET CHARLIE FUSARI IN 1950--HE CAME INTO MY UNCLE PHILS SHOE SHINE PARLOR ON FERRY ST--NEAR POLK. I SHINED HIS SHOES AND HE GAVE ME A $2.00 TIP (A LOT OF MONEY IN THOSE DAYS)--WHAT WAS STRIKING ABOUT HIM WAS THE FACT THAT HE DID NOT LOOK ITALIAN--BUT--POLISH--HE HAD BLOND HAIR--HE PLAYED CARDS FOR A WHILE THEN LEFT--BEFORE HE LEFT HE PLAYED A NUMBER--#241--I REMEMBER THAT NUMBER BECAUSE MY UNCLE PLAYED 241 FOR A YEAR AND IT NEVER CAME OUT--DAN

Nicky g:
Rich I could tell he was a good fighter was doing real good till he came up to little Eddie Bell he got beat pretty bad that was the garden in New York I was there.
I could tell he he was a milk man in the early days with his brother I think the father owned the milk route he hung out in Vailburg than rest you know
I could tell you my father was his manger when frist started and sold him for $100.00 bad idea
If I`m reading it right the father was born in Sicily I think

Nicky G:
Rich A little mistake the reason you didn`t see nothing about Newark was becasue he was from Irvington I forgot that part and my wife being from Irvington told me just now when she look at it

rich:
Dan and Nicky, Thanks for the input on Mr. Fusari.

Nat Bodian:
rich:

Nice seeing Charlie Fusari's name after all these years.
I used to cover the Friday night amateur boxing tournaments
at the Newark Athletic Club gym on Friday nights--AAU, Golden Glove, Diamond Belt-- and I was present when Charlie debuted as an amateur. He looked very promising as a beginner in the late 1930s and was a classy little fighter. My coverage was the the Star-Ledger and I remember running back to the paper after the fights to try to get my story into the early edition.

-- Nat

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
NAT--WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE GYM ON BROAD ST--A LOT OF FAMOUS BOXERS WENT THERE--I WENT THERE WITH MY GRANDFATHER WHEN I WAS JUST A KID--DO YOU REMEMBER A BLACK FIGHTER BY THE NAME OF ERNIE RIVERS??MY GRANDFATHER WAS HIS TRAINER--DAN

Nat Bodian:
Dan:

You asked about a Broad Street gym where all the name boxers trained. I wouldn't know about gyms. The only two gyms I visited regularly were the NAC gym where I covered the Friday night amateur fights for several years, and the YNHA gym
on High Street where I covered the Sunday night Hebrew Club basketball games. The really big name fighters trained for their championship boutsat Madam Beys, which I believe was in Summit.

-- Nat

Quint:
Danny,
Many moons ago I asked the same question about a gym on Broad St where boxers used to train...I know it existed because I went there when I was a kid. Heck, I took a couple of good shots at the heavy bag. I thought the name was Stillman's Gym but someone, I think it was Nat, informed me that Stillman's was in NYC. Could there have been two Stillman's Gyms?

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Phil Lynch

ps427@hotmail.com

Location:Bronx, N.Y.

Monday, February 23, 2004 23:05 Host: OPS---7MVG141.si.edu

The Sunday Star Ledger had an article on the front page about the Archdiocese of Newark preparing to "consolidate" or shut down 50 parishes within the Archdiocese. Although no "Offical list of Churches" was in the article.

I get a feeling St. Aloyisius will be one of the Churches that will be closed.
If anyone cares. I will monitor this story and post any updates.

Webmaster:
Yes, please keep an eye on that. I had seen the story on TV but all they talked about were Jersey City Churches.

rich:
All, Here's the link to the article which Phil has brought to our attention.
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-13/107743409936240.xml

Phil Lynch:
Glenn,
You a right it did touch on Jersey City Churches but I guess I'm just pesemistic about these things due to the fact that I was around when the Archdiocese shut down the school and my mom and many others tried (in vain) to stop the closing and give good reason to keep it going but they had already made up there mind. I think this might be the case again. Because even though the article says that the Archdiocese will use a "study" they already know who they're going to shut down.

Charles McCrea Parlin:
Hi phil Its Charles V. McCrea for all you old timers its Butch McCrea's son. Whats up Phil?

How many people remembers going to Caruso it was on the Blvd below the penn st They had what every thing you could want to eat from sandwhich to fish and fruit. We would go there on the nights we would go to the drive in and sometime when it was to hot. The rich old Newarks had fans the poor one like me didn`t have them. boy they were the days.

How about the days when it was to hot we would sleep on the back porch or even on the roof How many people remember those days

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
NICKY G--HOW ABOUT SLEEPING ON THE FIRE ESCAPE---WITH THAT JERSEY MOSQUITO BITING THE HECK OUT OF YOU-----------------OR HOW ABOUT IN THE WINTER TIME IN THE COLD WATER FLAT TAKING THAT ICE COLD SHOWER--I THINK WE MUST HAVE SET A WORLD RECORD FOR TAKING THE FASTEST SHOWER-DAN

NickyG:
Dan don`t like to think of that time of the year but we didn`t a shower for a shower we had to go to Morris ave baths

Jule Spohn:
Hello there. I forgot about not having a shower either. For many of my early years, up till I was about 14 or so, we only had a bathtub - no shower. However, my mother had some type of rubber hose contraption that had a shower head on the end of it - that was the shower. Forgot all about that all these years.

Manny:
I'm with Jule on this one. I never knew what a shower was until I went to high school.

And, while on this I-was-poorer-than-you discussion thread, let me point out that my Central Ward tenement was built before electricity. Does anyone remember gas jets in the walls of every room? At our apartment, those disabled jets were called "closets." Wonderful coat hooks.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Manny. I've lived in several apts and even my last house in Jersey City had those "closed-up" gas pipes sticking out of the walls.

rich:
All the years that we lived on Darcy St. a "shower" was with one of those hand held rubbery smelling hoses attached to the faucet with the shower like head at the end.Geez, how did we ever survive?

Quint:
Geez, you guys bring back a lot of memories...showers, gas light fixtures...remember the iron water heaters usually found in the kitchens...and the black iron coal stoves...how about the kerosene heaters we used to heat up the rooms in the winter,we didn't have steam heat or radiators.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Quint and everyone. When I was in High School and living on South 12th Street we had two kerosean heaters - one large one in the living room and one attached to the kitchen stove. Every morning before I left for school I had to go down into the basement and bring up 5 gallons of kerosean to fill up the one in the kitchen. That heated all of the back of the house - kitchen, bathroom, and two bedrooms. My mother had a very heavy curtin which she closed over at night when she shut off the kerosean heaater in the living room. When my father got home from work - he worked on the night shift - he would then fill up the stove in the living room and then the whole apt would warm up.

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CHESTER ROSE

ROSEROSE1898@AOL.COM

Location:THE VILLAGES,FLORIDA

Sunday, February 22, 2004 12:54 Host: cache-mtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com

Hi. I am looking for information on the Patrick Doyle and Thomas McCabe families
who lived on Vincent St. and/or Hawkins
St.in the 7th District of Newark,N,J.
during the late 1800 hundreds and the early 1900 hundreds.

THANK YOU.
CHET ROSE BORN IN ST.JAMES HOSPITAL IN
1929.

Nicky G:
HI chester the only Patrick Doyle I heard out is the Composer

Barb:
Hi Chester,
There are quite a few people on here that lived on those streets.
So you may get a respond soon.

I don`t know people if the weahter is that good up in Jersey but it`s been real quiet around
Or is it the three people like Rich and Mannyr aren`t around with there trivia and Barb I don`t know where she is

ZIMWOW@AOL.COM:
NICKY G--WE HAVE BEEN AROUND THE 50 DEGREES MARK--YOUR SUPPOSED TO HIT 82 ON TUESDAY--THATS NICE--DAN

Ron Hayes:
HEY NICKY THAT NUMBER 82 THAT DAN JUST MENTIONED IS THAT THE TEMPERTURE READING OR YOUR GOLF SCORE?????

Nicky G:
Ron I only wish I could shoot 82 them days are gone my friend now a days if I shoot 92 I`m happy. But I happy just beable to play two days a week good or bad. you know what they say a bad day in golf is better than a good at anything else remember for when you get old

Nicky G:
Dan They they say in the 70`s all next for me that great.
Right Marytee and Janice

Mary Ellen:
Hi Nicky....its a bit cool here in Pa...but spring is in the air! You can see it, you can smell it...and we cant wait!!! From the back of our home...the mountains are in plain view...the snow is melting, however, being this is the northeast...the snow isnt over yet. Florida is nice at this time of the year...but soon, we will be smiling and happy seeing all the greenery and feeling the sun on our faces. Its worth the wait!

Barb:
Hi Nicky,
I'm here :). My dog pulled out my comp. wire so I had to get a new one. Nothing simple happens here,lol. Was in chat room last night,
Will be heading for the Trivia .

Anyone who recognizes my name please contact me. Lou Kleiman
I am a sentimental geezer who keeps looking back at the "good ole days" growing up in the Weequahic Section of Newark. Bregaw Ave. Sch. Hawthorne Ave. school and Central High 1940.
Is Bragman's Deli on Hawthorne Ave. still in business? Come on yo all.

Nicky G:
Hi Lou Welcome for answer to your questions you will have wait till our Weequahic people come on

Jule Spohn:
Hello Lou. Welcome Home!!!

Yes indeed, Braman's Deli is still in business after all these years over on Hawthorne Ave.

Also, downtown, Hobbie's Deli, on Branford Place and Halsey Street, is still business.

Seymour Pierce:
Hello, Lou. In the late 30s,just out of high school {So. Side June 38] I worked in the luncheonette on Hawthorne Ave,between Wolcott and Clinton Pl. opposite Bragmans and the "916 political club " and next door to Tabs.. Many of the kids and teachers from Hawthorne Ave School came in for lunch. At night and weekends it was more of a "hangout "for the "older guys"who were also active in sports and related activities.That was where I developed many friendships during the time I worked there.Many may be those you also knew. The times were a lot simpler than. Those were the days my friend. Nice talking to you.

Nat Bodian:
Lou:

Didn't realize it until your posting here, but you were Central High 1940 (Jan. or June?). I was Jan. 1939. I
still see Marty Litowitz, Central 1941 quite frequently.
Also talk by phone with George Dlouhy, Central 1939, who lived at 102 Adams St., Down Neck.

Nobody talking
What I have to say maybe Dan or Quint or some of the other could back me.
Sometimes when things look good there not as good as they look so if you read something you must think before you act

Just a reminder that the oldnewarkdotcommers will be having their monthly lunch next Saturday, the 28th, at Krugs' Tavern at 118 Wilson Ave at 1pm. Plenty of parking behind the building. Hope to see many of old/new friends there. Should be a good turnout for this our first lunch this year. Dee, tell them we're on our way.

Mary Ellen:
Hi Jule....sure wish I could be there but I know you all will really enjoy the lunch,and meeting some of you for the first time. Hopefully the next time will be the time for me to meet you all! Cant wait!
Gelnn...thanks again for everything and for the chat room which is running again! Are we spoiled or what!!!

Jule Spohn:
Hell Mary Ellen and all. For those of you who can't make it this time I, as well as a few others, will bring our camera's and take a few photo's, and have Glenn put them on the site.

Mary Ellen:
Good morning Jule....bless you!!That would be wonderful to see pictures of you all. I know that the fun and enjoyment you will have will be memorable. What a pleasure it is being part of the Old Newark gang!

marytee:
Jule-
As you gather together-remember those who cannot share in this luncheon with you ALL- BUT who wish they could for this one day! We will be with you in spirit!

Looking for information on Isaac Speer, my Great Grandfather. He was a watchmaker in your town before he moved to Chicago. He married Valeria Collins in 1833 in Newark. Trying to find who his parents were. Help!

Jule Spohn:
Hello Frank. You can contact the Bureau Of Vital Statistics in Trenton to see if they have it on file. There is a minimum fee for this service - something like $10 or so. I found my Great-grandparents marriage info there.

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Joey George

nymets1@libcom.com

Location:Picksburg (Pittsburgh)

Friday, February 20, 2004 13:32 IP: 170.201.180.68

Some interesting statistics and comparisons of top 125 U.S. cities at this URL:

Newark's affordability ranking is near the bottom (San Francisco is #125). But I will leave it to your own curiosity as to where Newark ranks in total. It certainly surprised me.

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Friday, February 20, 2004 13:05 Host: cache-db01.proxy.aol.com

NEWARK FOP (Fraternal Order Of Police)

The Newark FOP has a wonderful new website at: newarkfop.com

Check it out. All of you former Newark Police Officers are in for a real treat with this site.

Nicky G:
Jules than you look pretty good

Rich Sivertsen:
Jules,
Thanks for the word on the FOP site. I really did enjoy it. Fallen Officer, Richie Burns was a partner of mine for a time in the 4th Pct. in the 60's. Thanks again.

Phil Lynch:
Mr. Spohn,
Good site. It did not mention if the Police Museum's hours of operation. Is it possible to just drop by and visit during the week?

Jule Spohn:
Hello Phil and everyone. John Manghisi is the man who set it up and runs it. He normally gets in around 11am and stays till abour 2 or 3 pm. Best advice would be to call ahead. It is well worth a visit. When there, ask to see the photo of my Great-Grandfather, Owen Carlin, who was one of the "first six" policemen on the new Police Dept in the 1850's.

Phil:
I'll definitely check that out! Thanks for the info!

Nicky G:
jules thank you I was running out of trivia now that I found this got this I got a lot more

The news of Manhattan ‘s fake doctor Dean Faella took a tragic and truly operatic turn with the discovery of the corpse of a missing patient at his Newark house. As I read the story in the NY Times, I was curious about the location of this grisly discovery. Visiting nj.com the headline told the story instantly: “Historic Home - Famed opera singer once lived on Elwood Avenue.”

The Star-Ledger article gave some interesting background on Madam Jeritza. Her gated compound on Elwood Ave. was a curiosity to all of us North Newarkers. My only vague memory of her was trick-or-treating on Halloween. The story is at:

marytee:
I remember her home well--It did invite curiousity by all the locals simply because we never saw anyone and it was gated. We did hear that it was an opera star . How sad for this person to have such an ending.I didn't know her house to be on Elwood place though? I thought it was more on Mt. Prospect or Clifton Ave? it was up the hill for sure but more towards second ave. Danny B. would probably remember better.

Frank:
The estate is on the south side of Elwood between Clifton and Ridge Streets.

There's a great house-by-house historic guide and map to North Newark at http://www.guide2newark.com/history_sub_3.htm

Danny B.:
Hi,haven't been on for awhile. Yes the mansion was on Elwood, I think between Clifton and Ridge. It was pretty spooky in a way because the property had a guest house or servants quarters, but you never saw anybody inside. Also, the wall and iron fence very much sent the message that 'we don't want you here'. Many other mansions over by Ballantine Pkwy., but none had a separate guest house that I can remember.

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Janice

jriker@co.volusia.fl.us

Location:Florida

Friday, February 20, 2004 08:51 IP: 164.51.78.15

Dee, Since I see you are in the area of St. Benedicts--do you recall families named Smalley (Marne St.), Kalicki or Riker (Main and Kossuth). All are related. Still trying to hook up with some Kalicki's from the area. Your neighborhood street names bring back some wonderful memories--Thanks!!

Dee:
Janice,
Yes, am now living on Komorn St. St. Benedict's is just up the block from me. It's been many years since I resided DN, and back then, I lived on the corner of Elm Rd & Garrison St. The only name that seems familiar in my memory is, Kalicki. Did you, by any chance know, Barbara(?) and Janice Schaum? They lived on Kossuth St. Janice went to Ann St and ESHS with me..we both graduated in same year. Her sister was, I believe, maybe 2 or 3 yrs older than she.

Janice:
Dee, Sorry but the anmes are not familiar to me. I lived on Mott St. over by the river. But years ago my relatives were on Marne, Polk an Kossuth. The Kalickis may still be there-I am hoping to find them one day. Their father and my Mom were siblings. Albina Kaicki was buried from Bernaur and St. Benedicts. Thanks for answering my pleas for help. Stay warm up there--spring is coming!!

Barb:
Hi Janice,
I lived on Van Buren Street. Next block to Polk Street. Did they go to Wilson Ave. School?
Also there was Byrne store on the corner of Mott andd Fleming .
On Mott's street I knew the Whites and Rendco.

Janice:
Hi Barb, My cousins Gerald and Carole Ann went to Westside. My brother started out in St. Al's,but then we moved up to W.O.My brother graduated from NCE in 1966.

Janice:
Oops! I also remember a show repair and a cleaners on that corner. The candy store was about 3 stores down towards Lexington, at least the one my brain recalls. On Mott I knew the Zamblauskas, Henry and Dobek family all around #28

Phil Lynch:
Janice,
There is a mention in the St. Aloysius bulletin that a Walter Kalicki is ill. Also my uncle Tommy knows the Kalicki's.

Janice:
Phil: I'm thinkin that the Walter Kalicki is not the same as I am looking for.Which of the Kalicki's does you incle know. I'm looking for info on the family that lived at 168 Polk St. till @1945 or so. The Walter K. I know is about 65 or so and lives in Brick

Janice:
Corrsction to above--my cousins attended East Side (senior Moment)

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Jule Spohn

juliusjspohn@cs.com

Location:Newark

Friday, February 20, 2004 02:45 Host: cache-db01.proxy.aol.com

HOFFMAN/PABST BOTTLE

Several messages back I mentioned that I had sent a letter to the Mayor and Councilmembers to try to have them save the Bottle on top of the Hoffman/Pabst buildings which are going to be torn down. I received a very positive letter from the Mayor today and will share it with all of you now:

"Dear Mr. Spohn. Thank you for your letter of February 12 concerning the demolition of the Hoffman/Pabst buildings and your suggestion to save the large bottle on top. I, too, am trying to hve the new owners save it and agree tht the bottle is a lasting artifact. Therefore, I will forward your suggestion to them. Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention." Sharpe James, Mayor

Looks like it is a good posibility that it will be saved. I have to say that I have contacted Mayor James on several occassions asking for help in one way or another, and in EVERY case he came through for me.

Quint:
Oooraaah!

Joey G:
Jule,

Next time you write to the mayor, you ought to invite him here. I am happy he is thinking the same as we. Newark's industrial past should not be covered and lost. In Pittsburgh, a brand new and massive shopping mall on the Allegheny River, retains a dozen steel smokestaksin the background (the industry that preceded the mall on the same site). Our children and our children's children should not be robbed of history (its bad enough that very few kids today know much of anything about history as it is).

Dee:
Joey G,
I agree with you..not only about History, include Geography and English (all comprised facets) in that too.

Would be nice, for Mayor James to pop in here..especially if he appreciates Newark History.

Quint - If i had known i was a rich kid....i woulda put the squeeze on my dad (that was b4 he became a psychiatrist ...lol)......I also recall climbing onto the roof of the Schenley Towers..quite a view

Quint:
Rich
Friday night at the Roosevelt was a must do for any Weequahic Indian...I don't remember the White Castle but I do remember the Toddle House hamberger joint.
Were Halem's and Sid's still hot places when you were at Weequahic?

Quint:
Rich
I get up to Denville once or twice a year. Mt Laurel is in that general vicinity, as I recall. Maybe we can do coffee one of these days.

rich:
Quint, Are you thinking of Mt. Olive? Mt. Laurel is in the Cherry Hill area. I just happened to read your comment here and wanted to bring this to your attention, not trying to be critical, only helpful!Rich O

Quint:
Rich
I think I mixed Mt Laural with Mt Tabor, mea culpa. One of my good friends here in CA owns a McDonald's in Cherry Hill. He says it's the only fine dining restaurant in that area. Is he pulling my leg? If not we can do coffee at his place...maybe even get comp'd.

Seymour Pierce:
Richard, welcome ! Not from Weeq. I'm from South Side, class of June '38. Worked at Hawthorne nr Clinton Pl. Knew all the areas fairly well !I remember the Toddle House on Clinton Ave. down nr Johnson Ave. opposite Petermans Deli. The best " cup a coffee" in the city. Chancellor Ave had Halems and Syds and they were the "hangouts " of their day. Late '30s it was "sidewalk jitterbugging" to the Big Bands at Millmans and Sabins ,at the Park. Are you "senior " enough to remember [I think not !] the Sugar Bowl on Clinton Ave nr Belmont ?[also a dance spot}. We'll talk again.

Jo-Ann Malanga Rutherford:
Hi Rich,
I went to the Roosevelt Theater every Saturday. My friends and I loved going there. We would walk from our Street, Hobson Street and Lyons Avenue to the Roosevelt. Sometimes we would go to Kless's Dinner in Irvington.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Everyone. Speaking of Clinton Ave, do any of you remember the name of the bank that had the silloette of the Pilgrim over the front door? The building is all closed up now but I have recently taken a photo of the Pilgrim. This building is somewhere downn around Bergen Street and Clinton Ave.

I was down neck this afternoon. Wish I had my camera with me.
It was last minute notice we had to leave here.
I spoke to Rita Darcy about the luncheon at Krug's.
Everything is so different down there.
I was on Niagra Street and went down Ferry Street and seen the new school they built. Ballentine's clock is still there. It looked like it was being held up by a thread.
Traffic there was awful. We took a tour of all the streets trying to get on the turnpike.
Went pass my old place of work FPE 50 Paris Street didn't recognize it at all.
Many of the old places are still there but all new names.
Dee, if I had known a head of time I would have met you :bounce:

Nicky G:
Barb Like Charles said good to vist but everyone can`t go back

Quint:
Barb,
It's like the story of Rip Van Winkle, things change over the years. Of course, you have not been asleep for all the time you were away...but you were away and things change. Hold your memories close to your bosom, they will always be the Newark you knew and loved.

rich:
Barb, Is that the new East Side being built? Where on Ferry St. and what is the school? It's been over a year since I've been on East Ferry St.

Dee:
And I was home today too, Barb. You and the Richster could of dropped by for a cup 'o coffee..or, I could of met you at krug's..if you were driving on Niagara and Wilson, you were a mere 1/2 block away from where I am, either direction.

Looks like "Eddie" :) may be dropping by Krug's for the annual St. Patrick's schmooze, on March 20th..being you won't be in that night, you'll get to see him at The Post's St. Patrick's Day celebration, the next day/night. I will be attending both, so I'll c'ya at The Post..leave no "lemons" unturned...LOLOL

Barb:
Hi Rich,
The school was on the lot of the old Market Street School.
It was one floor. I didn't see a name of it.
Dee,
We went to Bernauer's. I know your on Kormorn but I didn't remember the house number. We will get together.
Thank all of you for your input on my view of Newark.
I know you can't go back but you always have your memories.
I have very great memories of Newark and hold them dear to me.:)

Phil Lynch:
I go down-neck at least once a month and things have changed alot. Some good and some bad. The "New" East Side is supposed to be built in those old Ballantine Bldgs. on the corner of Christie and Ferry STs. Also where Hawkins St. Annex was, at the end of Market ST. a new (looks like a pre-school or early learning center) has been built. Also if you drive down Brill St. youll see all the new construction of new townhouses going up. Bernaur Funeral home is still on Niagra ST. between Barbra St. and I think Marne St.

rich:
Wow, they built a school on the site of the old Market St. School!That was still an empty ,fenced in piece of property the last time I drove by there, which had to be 2002.Phil, Bernauer's is on the corner of Niagara and Barbara Sts.,opposite St.Benedict's RC Church.Kossuth St. is the block south and Komorn St. is the block north of Bernauer's.

Quint:
mFolks,
I guess I was lucky enough to live in several areas of Newark..So. 6th and 16th Ave, So 15th and 18th Ave, So 11th and Avon (Clinton Hill), Montclair Ave near Mt. Prospect, Lake St and Bloofield Ave....but I never lived in the downneck area(is downneck one word or two?).
However, I was baptized downneck in a big red church at major intersection of Ferry and I don't know the name of the other street. The church was originally Lutheran, I believe it is now Baptist. I took photos of it on one of my previous visits. My question is this, does being baptized downneck qualify me to be a downnecker?

rich:
quint , I would say that you are a DownNecker who lived in other parts of Newark! That Church is St Stephan's United Church
Address: Wilson Ave & Ferry St, Newark, NJ 07105

Jack Keegan:
Quint.

As a real Down Necker ( two words) I'll at least make you an honorary Down Necker>

Jack Keegan:
Quint.

Down Necker is two words, the expresion Downneck is one.

Quint:
Rich, Jack!
Thank you so much for the information about St Stephan's and for annointing me an honorary downnecker. I was beginning to suffer an identity crises and you saved the day.

I grew up on S. 11th St, off of Clinton Ave. from 1950 to 1959. My dad was a physician, Samuel Pomerantz....our block was chock full of Drs. ie., Horn, Wilner, Washington, LaRosa, etc....close to the Schenley Towers apts I was only 9 when we moved to Maplewood....but recall many details of Newwark - my mom grew up in the Weequahic section - nane was Marilyn Weiner W.H.S. class of '41

Nicky G:
Hi rich
Welcome to Old Newark I don`t know but we have a number of people from the Weequahic might know

Barb L. Kresch Rothschild:
Dear Richard: Welcome to the Old Newark website. I went to Weequahic High from 1958-1962. In my class, there was a Wilma Pomerantz. Any relation to your family?

Quint:
Richard,
Welcome to the website. I lived on S. 11 St between Avon and Woodland Aves from 1941 to 1955. Graduated from Weequahic Jan 1950. You lived on what we called doctor's row...the rich kidsw neighborhood (what did we know at the time).
Dr Byck' son Walter was in my class. Dr Byck lived on S 11 between Madison and Avon.
I had a classmate by the name of Cecila Silverman who lived in the Schenley Towers. We used to catch the 14 Clinton Place bus on your corner in the morniing to go to school.
Welcome aboard!

Quint:
Rich
By the way Dr Wilner was our family doctor for years back in the late 30s and early 40s.

Jule Spohn:
Hello Richard. Welcome Home!!!

CT:
Hi Richard,
I grew up about the same time in Newark on Bergen also moved to Maplewood and graduated with a Renee Pomerantz...