slotz:Jaden Smith First of His Name: It must be awful having to spell out your attractive and successful first name for everything. Or imagine being a teacher for an inner-city school: "Yunique, can you answer this question? No, not the Yunique with two E's. No, not you either, one that ends with a K."

In one class two years ago I had a Kaylie, Kalee, Halie,and Hayleigh.Seriously, in one class of 36 kids. The stupid is on both sides of the racial divide.

Meh, as more people fill up this world of ours, it's not unusual for people to want have their children stand out. I can't tell you how many Katherines I have in my office right now but it's farking annoying trying to get shiat done in meetings. So it's Kate, Katie, Kat, K, Katherine, Katty, etc.

Headso:similar to how running from someone who is just trying to mug you or running from a bear or is probably a bad decision but understandable in a panic scenario. You're essentially blaming the victim for not keeping her cool while being victimized.

Perpetuous Procrastination:tlars699: The_Original_Roxtar: Merceedez is one of my favorite geermun car brands.I also like BMUU, Poorshuh, and Owdie.

also LOL at "I didn't think cops would do that to me because I'm a girl1. And I didn't have anything on me2. I was just trying to walk away from the situation3,"

1: females are often criminals too2: they had no way of knowing that (but you gave them reason to suspect you did because of 3 below)3: this is called resisting arrest... it makes cops mad.

She was literally walking away from two cops talking to a group from their car, otherwise doing nothing.

Nobody was "detained" until she started walking away.She kept walking, looked back to see why Destiny wasn't following her to the shop like she thought, and sees two grown men twice her size leap out of their vehicles, and start pell-mell chasing her down.

Would you run? Or would you stop, and get clothes lined, and then beaten?

I would like to think I would run and go lie down on the grass next to the road and say things like "Whoa! What's going on now?" and then be put under arrest, hopefully minimizing the damage to things like my throat and tracheae, but I can't really say I'm that mindful all the time.

If it's past curfew (which is a reasonable law in many locations) and the police stop you, you are legally under arrest at that point and don't have the right to "walk away" whenever you please, especially when the cops are talking to you about said curfew violation.

The details are sparse and one-sided here, of course, but the girl admits to walking/running away _BEFORE_ the police chased after her, which means she was almost certainly ignoring a lawful command and that means they've now got reason to physically stop/arrest you. The line about "the cop got out of the car in such a way that I was sooooo scared I had to run" is horseshiat - don't farking walk away in the first place and the worst you'd have received is a ride home and possibly a ticket.

Did the police go too far in t ...

You're not under arrest until the police have said: You are under arrest.It's the first part of Miranda Rights that they are supposed to read to you as you are being arrested, and if she walked after they had started reciting that- okay- maybe she would then be classified as resisting.

If she walked away before that, or had mentioned that she needed to go to the shop and pick up her bag/phone, and was then chased down, that is not resisting arrest.

Jim from Saint Paul:fredklein: Turbo Cojones: Rawhead Rex: SURPRISE!!!When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!SURPRISE!!!When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.

"Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground.

Yeah, pretty much stopped reading once she admitted to active resistance.

Yet another person who thinks it's wrong to defend yourself from a beating.

Yet another person who thinks running from the cops doesn;t open you up to said beating.

DONT. RUN. FROM. THE. COPS.

Sigh.

She didn't run, she retreated when the cop came charging out of the car at her. This is an instinct, like startling when someone sneaks up behind you and yells 'boo!'. You body does it without you thinking to do it.

Second, even if she ran, it does NOT give the cops permission to beat her. Will they? Maybe. But they should be held responsible if caught.

because sassing and running are tantamount to pulling a weapon right? ESPECIALLY if it's a woman under 150lbs... Those biatches are dangerous! Need to beat them til they go limp so they learn their damn place!

Don't be silly! If it was tantamount to pulling a weapon, the cops would have shot her 37 times.

Fair enough. According to her account it was because she just decided to walk away from the police while they were talking to her. I bet when we hear the cops account it will include the fact that he verbally instructed her to stop several times. Even if the truth is halfway between those two she made a bad decision.

Just like if she was victimized by another group of thugs it was more about bad luck than bad decision, if these thugs never happened to drive by she would have not had her throat stomped on.

Nope, running from cops is not bad luck, it is a bad decision. She owns it.

similar to how running from someone who is just trying to mug you or running from a bear or is probably a bad decision but understandable in a panic scenario. You're essentially blaming the victim for not keeping her cool while being victimized.

As near as I can tell the cops were trying to talk to her as part of the group and she decided that she was done with the conversation and started to walk away from them.

When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them.Wright said she continued walking away from the officers, who then allegedly used force to stop her.

That wasn't a decision made under the stress of a large man running at her. That was the decision of a punk kid with an attitude disrespecting the cops. That is what provoked him to jump out of his car and chase her down.

SubBass49:Headso: similar to how running from someone who is just trying to mug you or running from a bear or is probably a bad decision but understandable in a panic scenario. You're essentially blaming the victim for not keeping her cool while being victimized.

You have an interesting definition of victimization...

I'd say one that includes a teenage girl getting beat to the point of hospitalization isn't too extreme.

fredklein:Jim from Saint Paul: fredklein: Turbo Cojones: Rawhead Rex: SURPRISE!!!When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!SURPRISE!!!When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.

"Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground.

Yeah, pretty much stopped reading once she admitted to active resistance.

Yet another person who thinks it's wrong to defend yourself from a beating.

Yet another person who thinks running from the cops doesn;t open you up to said beating.

DONT. RUN. FROM. THE. COPS.

Sigh.

She didn't run, she retreated when the cop came charging out of the car at her. This is an instinct, like startling when someone sneaks up behind you and yells 'boo!'. You body does it without you thinking to do it.

Second, even if she ran, it does NOT give the cops permission to beat her. Will they? Maybe. But they should be held responsible if caught.

That isn't what happened even by her own admission:

When they tried to go back to pick up a bag and a phone they left behind, they claim the officers tried to detain them.Wright said she continued walking away from the officers, who then allegedly used force to stop her.

jst3p:fredklein: Lots of people here who didn't read the article (what?! On fark? Can't be!)

The cop jumped out of the car aggressively. She instinctively reacted to that by retreating. The cops considered this 'fleeing', and tackled her. She 'struggled' against the cops, who were damaging her throat/neck (according to the type of injuries she had). This is completely natural. The cops call struggling to breathe 'resisting'.

tlars699:You're not under arrest until the police have said: You are under arrest.It's the first part of Miranda Rights that they are supposed to read to you as you are being arrested, and if she walked after they had started reciting that- okay- maybe she would then be classified as resisting.

Misconduc:Merceedez Wright admits she and her friends were out a few minutes after the city's 10 p.m. curfew, and that she both ran from officers and resisted them after being tackled, but she doesn't believe she deserves the injuries she suffered.

I alone am best:EggSniper: If the cops are looking at you, you can bet your ass they're trying to think of a reason to assault and/or kill you. Stay the fark away from them. If they say anything to you, even "hi", drop to your stomach, splay your hands and legs out and prey that they shoot you first and then kick your corpse to a pulp.

You could always know your rights which shuts them down mighty fast. Or, people could go with your idea and act like a retarded paranoid schizophrenic.

You're right. If there's one thing that will stop cops in their tracks it's telling them that you have rights. It's also helpful to tell them you 'wasn't doin' nothin'. Cops never lie about what happened, dash and lapel cameras and microphones never fail and exonerating evidence is never lost, destroyed or lawyered out of trial. Oh, and rights are inalienable and absolute.

The only reason we get to hear about police abuse is that they take people to the hospital first, where they get to talk to people. Why they haven't merged police-run emergency rooms with jails yet I don't know.

Headso:SubBass49: Headso: similar to how running from someone who is just trying to mug you or running from a bear or is probably a bad decision but understandable in a panic scenario. You're essentially blaming the victim for not keeping her cool while being victimized.

You have an interesting definition of victimization...

I'd say one that includes a teenage girl getting beat to the point of hospitalization isn't too extreme.

Funny...I see the pic from the hospital and I see no bruises on her face or arms. Usually a "beating" by multiple people in a chaotic situation would lead to at least something visible. More likely that her injuries were caused by her own idiocy in trying to fight the cops. I suggest you read the article I linked with the photo of the football player above. Should give some perspective on things here.

slotz:Jaden Smith First of His Name: It must be awful having to spell out your attractive and successful first name for everything. Or imagine being a teacher for an inner-city school: "Yunique, can you answer this question? No, not the Yunique with two E's. No, not you either, one that ends with a K."

In one class two years ago I had a Kaylie, Kalee, Halie,and Hayleigh.Seriously, in one class of 36 kids. The stupid is on both sides of the racial divide.

Several years ago I was at an Outback steakhouse and the table behind us kept trying to keep little Brittney and Shania in line.

I am guessing they are dancing for dollars about now. Well maybe in a couple hours, it is still early.

tlars699:SubBass49: Egoy3k: SewerSquirrels: Egoy3k: It's almost as if African Americans have no trust for the police. I wonder why that might be.

That would be because all police are racist caucasians, I guess.

It doesn't take all of them or even a majority of them to breed distrust.

With all the videos on the net, one would think you would eventually see one of somebody not sassing, not running from, & not fighting with the cops where they still get their arse kicked by them.

Only a complete psychopath would consider 'sassing' justification for a police beating.

Yeah, but I'm sorry...fighting the cops is TOTAL justification. BTW, if she'd been BEATEN it would have likely turned out much worse. She picked a fight with bigger, stronger, more experienced fighters. I'm 6'1", 210 lbs, and I wouldn't dream of fighting back against police trying to cuff me.

Trying to pull your arms away from behind your back, so you can put them up in front of your face, or stop your face from grinding into asphalt =/= fighting the police.

Defending your body from harm =/= fighting

It's pretty hard to resist instinct and just go limp and take it.

If she had been able to do that, she should have just started laughing any time they hit her.*thwack*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH*thwack*AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

fredklein:Jim from Saint Paul: fredklein: Turbo Cojones: Rawhead Rex: SURPRISE!!!When you run from cops...they chase you and tackle you!SURPRISE!!!When tackled by cops, you tend to get scuffed up some.

Did you somehow think they were playing "touch-apprehend"???None of this shiat would have happened if she'd just gotten in the back of the car and got driven home.

"Wright also said she did resist officers once she was knocked to the ground.

Yeah, pretty much stopped reading once she admitted to active resistance.

Yet another person who thinks it's wrong to defend yourself from a beating.

Yet another person who thinks running from the cops doesn;t open you up to said beating.

DONT. RUN. FROM. THE. COPS.

Sigh.

She didn't run, she retreated when the cop came charging out of the car at her. This is an instinct, like startling when someone sneaks up behind you and yells 'boo!'. You body does it without you thinking to do it.

Second, even if she ran, it does NOT give the cops permission to beat her. Will they? Maybe. But they should be held responsible if caught.

uhh She admitted she ran, how do you not understand this? She was a dumbass who RAN from the cops; all she had to do was sit there and answer a few questions; and she would of been let off."WHY DID YOU RUN FROM THE POLICE?" I WAS SCARED SIR!!" Ever hear this? I guess you never watched cops then; if you are not doing anything wrong; you wouldn't run.

This was the first sentence my eyes went to:"I didn't think cops would do that to me because I'm a girl. And I didn't have anything on me. I was just trying to walk away from the situation," Wright said from her room at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh of UPMC. "I was terrified. I thought I was going to be getting beaten up for hours."

I've read nothing more of the article and not see the news video, but on the strength of this paragraph alone I will theorize that the gal in this story is black.

Use of the word "situation" to describe issues with the law is a mechanism by which the speaker attempts to distance themselves from the act and downplay any culpability they might have had. It's also a denial mechanism by which one can acknowledge that something might have gone on and speak about it without specifically offering details that might implicate themselves or others.

jst3p:That wasn't a decision made under the stress of a large man running at her. That was the decision of a punk kid with an attitude disrespecting the cops. That is what provoked him to jump out of his car and chase her down

This guy can't even keep a level head when a teenage girl is impudent so he chases her down and beats her to the point she has to go to the hospital and you deem that to be her fault. Look no further as to why America has roid raging military style police and the highest incarceration rates in the world, many Americans support it.

scottydoesntknow:question_dj: Recoil Therapy: question_dj: Yeah man, curfew violation is serious business. Running down teenagers, tackling, then beating them because they were lippy and ran is reasonable response from police. Gotta show those kids who's boss. Can't let them get away with being lippy and running. No sir. Breaking curfew is tantamount to murder, so actually they should have just shot her.

It may not be justified but the reality is that if you make the police chase you, they WILL beat on you a bit when they catch you. If you start fighting back & hitting them at that point they will start going overboard in their enthusiasm to subdue you. If she had just stood there being lippy, she may have pissed off the police but they wouldn't have (probably, you really can't tell with some of them) started beating on her (too many potential witnesses attracted by the noise). She might have gotten a ticket for being outside 5 min after curfew (which a judge probably would have thrown out if she pressed the issue - 10pm is really early especially in the summer), but she wouldn't be sitting in the hospital right now.

But you already knew all of that....

Will and should are two completely different things. God forbid police show restraint and forethought when doing their jobs. Someone runs? Beating the shiat out of them is the only way to respond. Are they mouthing off? Oh man, disrespecting me, beat the shiat out of them! Yes, they ran. Yes, they were lippy. Last I checked, it's illegal for me to beat people when they get lippy with me. Yet folks give the police a free pass. These are teenagers doing what teenagers do. Obviously the right response is to beat them.

I would like to point out that in your paragraph you failed to mention the fact that she resisted, and 99% of the time it's resisting that leads to the beating.

A 17 year old cheerleader is such a formidable opponent that the only option available to several full-grown, armed police officers is to beat the crap out of her?

tlars699:Also, if she was just tackled without being recited her Miranda rights at the same time, then they were just assaulting her.

Stop making crap up. Miranda rights only pertain to questioning and gathering of testimonial evidence. It has nothing to do with an actual arrest. If a police officer says "Stop", you have been legally arrested.

fredklein:jst3p: fredklein: Lots of people here who didn't read the article (what?! On fark? Can't be!)

The cop jumped out of the car aggressively. She instinctively reacted to that by retreating. The cops considered this 'fleeing', and tackled her. She 'struggled' against the cops, who were damaging her throat/neck (according to the type of injuries she had). This is completely natural. The cops call struggling to breathe 'resisting'.

Same ol' same ol'.

Why did he do that? This part is key.

To tackle, kick, and beat her, evidently.

Yep, and she gave him justification, at least in the eyes of anyone who will be "investigating" this. I bet they don't even get paid leave.

Don't get me wrong, I think the cop is an asshole, but she made poor decisions that allowed him to be in a position to administer a beating that he won't be held responsible for.

I say there's a difference between a general curfew and certain events/establishments serving alcohol having to kick out unaccompanied minors after 8pm (if yougner than 16) or midnight (under 18),Since the girl in question is 17 and it was shortly after 10 pm, under that German "curfew" she and her friends could still have been our drinking beers in a club or bar until midnight.Also, they could've been walking around for hours afterwards without violating anything because , again, it isn't a "kids not allowed outside" kind of curfew, but more of an additional liquor law that alcohol-serving establishments/events have to follow.

Headso:SubBass49: Funny...I see the pic from the hospital and I see no bruises on her face or arms. Usually a "beating" by multiple people in a chaotic situation would lead to at least something visible.

heh, diagnoses via single image on the internet. Bill Frist is that you?

So you disagree that a beating by multiple people in a chaotic situation would likely lead to at least ONE visible injury on face or arms? Especially since her friends claim she was being kicked?

gja:give me doughnuts: gja: Rincewind53: vernonFL: She was out after curfew, ran from police and resisted arrest.

Her mother should *also* be beaten for naming her daughter Merceedez.

Fun fact, curfew violation is a misdemeanor, meaning cops likely couldn't even arrest her for it. Legally the most they could give her is a ticket.

Fun fact....you are wrong.

Misdeamenors are generally those offenses with a sentence of less than one year.A violation of a municipal ordinance usually incurs a fine, much like a parking ticket.

::AHEM::, and I quote "....meaning cops likely couldn't even arrest her for it. Legally the most they could give her is a ticket."Police CAN arrest you for misdemeanors. This is a well documented fact.

'Like' a parking ticket is a gross over-generalization. Law matters, even if police ignore much of it.

Did you notice that I was agreeing with you?Curfew violations are not misdemeanors, they are violations or infractions.

Tricky Chicken:slotz: Jaden Smith First of His Name: It must be awful having to spell out your attractive and successful first name for everything. Or imagine being a teacher for an inner-city school: "Yunique, can you answer this question? No, not the Yunique with two E's. No, not you either, one that ends with a K."

In one class two years ago I had a Kaylie, Kalee, Halie,and Hayleigh.Seriously, in one class of 36 kids. The stupid is on both sides of the racial divide.

Several years ago I was at an Outback steakhouse and the table behind us kept trying to keep little Brittney and Shania in line.

I am guessing they are dancing for dollars about now. Well maybe in a couple hours, it is still early.

Was at a 2nd grade "come see the snowflakes" thing at my kids school and the parents behind us had a pair of preschoolers wtih them... named Ranger and Charger.

SubBass49:Headso: SubBass49: Funny...I see the pic from the hospital and I see no bruises on her face or arms. Usually a "beating" by multiple people in a chaotic situation would lead to at least something visible.

heh, diagnoses via single image on the internet. Bill Frist is that you?

So you disagree that a beating by multiple people in a chaotic situation would likely lead to at least ONE visible injury on face or arms? Especially since her friends claim she was being kicked?

Your reality sounds fun...do the medications help it or hurt it?

no I don't disagree that it would likely lead to that, but maybe this is one of those cases that makes you have to use the "likely" qualifier in your response to me making fun of you for diagnosing injuries via a single image on the internet.

I alone am best:tlars699: SubBass49: Egoy3k: SewerSquirrels: Egoy3k: It's almost as if African Americans have no trust for the police. I wonder why that might be.

That would be because all police are racist caucasians, I guess.

It doesn't take all of them or even a majority of them to breed distrust.

With all the videos on the net, one would think you would eventually see one of somebody not sassing, not running from, & not fighting with the cops where they still get their arse kicked by them.

Only a complete psychopath would consider 'sassing' justification for a police beating.

Yeah, but I'm sorry...fighting the cops is TOTAL justification. BTW, if she'd been BEATEN it would have likely turned out much worse. She picked a fight with bigger, stronger, more experienced fighters. I'm 6'1", 210 lbs, and I wouldn't dream of fighting back against police trying to cuff me.

Trying to pull your arms away from behind your back, so you can put them up in front of your face, or stop your face from grinding into asphalt =/= fighting the police.

Defending your body from harm =/= fighting

It's pretty hard to resist instinct and just go limp and take it.

If she had been able to do that, she should have just started laughing any time they hit her.*thwack*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH*thwack*AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

Nothing more disturbing and unsettling to your assailant, really.

So, that is exactly what happened? Or are you just making crap up?

Reading her statement of panicking after getting chased down, being tackled, and saying she was trying to protect her face while they were pinning her arms behind her back and grinding her face into the pavement, and being a person who was regularly beaten up at the ages of 8-16 by authority figures who should have known betterand having close to total recall of a few instances of almost the exact same situation happening, I'm inclined to believe her.

Okay, my bias is showing, but seriously if she's a minor, how is this not Child Abuse?

corn-bread:Use of the word "situation" to describe issues with the law is a mechanism by which the speaker attempts to distance themselves from the act and downplay any culpability they might have had. It's also a denial mechanism by which one can acknowledge that something might have gone on and speak about it without specifically offering details that might implicate themselves or others.

The police are experts at using the passive voice. "Shots were fired", etc.

Misconduc:Merceedez Wright admits she and her friends were out a few minutes after the city's 10 p.m. curfew, and that she both ran from officers and resisted them after being tackled, but she doesn't believe she deserves the injuries she suffered.

Click Click D'oh:tlars699: Also, if she was just tackled without being recited her Miranda rights at the same time, then they were just assaulting her.

Stop making crap up. Miranda rights only pertain to questioning and gathering of testimonial evidence. It has nothing to do with an actual arrest. If a police officer says "Stop", you have been legally arrested.

Curfew laws are lazy law enforcement that dovetails with harsh drug possession laws. Sibce it's too much work to investigate and prosecute drug gangs with serious laws, these two shortcuts bypasses all that noise.

First, you (a cop) use the curfew law as an excuse to stop youthful-looking blah persons to ask for ID (to make sure they're not curfew-breaking juvies). While they rifle through their clothing and bags, you keep an eye open for weapons, drug paraphenalia, or "the smell of pot on their person." If you don't like their attitude, you can use any of these pretenses to rattle their cage about being arrested; if you actually spot something, then you get to send a potential gang member to jail for thoughtcrime. It's a win-win, if you like the prison-industrial complex.

Click Click D'oh:tlars699: Also, if she was just tackled without being recited her Miranda rights at the same time, then they were just assaulting her.

Stop making crap up. Miranda rights only pertain to questioning and gathering of testimonial evidence. It has nothing to do with an actual arrest. If a police officer says "Stop", you have been legally arrested.

No, he has not arrested you. You have been detained. There is a big difference.

because sassing and running are tantamount to pulling a weapon right? ESPECIALLY if it's a woman under 150lbs... Those biatches are dangerous! Need to beat them til they go limp so they learn their damn place!

Don't be silly! If it was tantamount to pulling a weapon, the cops would have shot her 37 times.

Well if we are going to the extreme.

Pull a fark article out of someone's ass. They would shot at her, hit her friends 5 times. A neighbors dog 20 times, 5 cars 11 times. And her shoulder once

I alone am best:Click Click D'oh: tlars699: Also, if she was just tackled without being recited her Miranda rights at the same time, then they were just assaulting her.

Stop making crap up. Miranda rights only pertain to questioning and gathering of testimonial evidence. It has nothing to do with an actual arrest. If a police officer says "Stop", you have been legally arrested.

No, he has not arrested you. You have been detained. There is a big difference.

That doesn't come close to making his retarded statement correct.

Also, if she was just tackled without being recited her Miranda rights at the same time, then they were just assaulting her.

tlars699:You're not under arrest until the police have said: You are under arrest.It's the first part of Miranda Rights that they are supposed to read to you as you are being arrested, and if she walked after they had started reciting that- okay- maybe she would then be classified as resisting.

If she walked away before that, or had mentioned that she needed to go to the shop and pick up her bag/phone, and was then chased down, that is not resisting arrest.

There can be no resisting a command if there was no command given.

You absolutely do not have to be told "you're under arrest" to legally be under arrest (although Miranda must be given prior to interrogative questioning). As the police had probable cause in this instance (clocks aren't a subjecive opinion), the moment she attempted to leave and they tell her to stop, she has been issued a lawful command and has been placed under arrest.

Christ, she admits to being the only one walking away (bringing into question the legitimacy of any bag/phone left behind - which can be confirmed by the store and/or video surveillance), and then to running when the police attempted to stop her BECAUSE she was trying to leave, and then to fighting them after they did stop her (which isn't "defending yourself" - it's fighting them after you've escalated the situation TWICE).

This girl is an idiot, and she didn't get "beaten." She was forcefully arrested and sustained fairly minor injuries from being tackled and having someone kneel on her neck/back to restrain her. The outrage about police here is idiotic and uninformed.

Jument:She ran from the cops. No good will come of that, ever. They are going to have to stop you and there's no way to stop someone from running away that doesn't involve some level of bodily harm.

Curfew, though. WTF? I thought this was the land of the free. Who the hell thinks martial law is a good idea?

I'm wondering why they didn't tase her. While uncomfortable, it generally stops resistance and doesn't cause serious injury. As far as the curfew thing, isn't it generally only applicable to juveniles?

/Now has the unofficial Taser anthem by Debby Boone running through my head

GnomePaladin:Misconduc: Merceedez Wright admits she and her friends were out a few minutes after the city's 10 p.m. curfew, and that she both ran from officers and resisted them after being tackled, but she doesn't believe she deserves the injuries she suffered.