Man, Dan Severn had a seminar in my gym the other week. It was only $25 to train with such a legend. It was like grandpa came and taught us some MMA for wrestlers. Then he mentioned he had already 3 fights lined up for 2012. He will just fucking fight.

What about Wes Sims?

Sims is a douch bag. On that note I learned my double leg from Severn.

Oh I agree, Wes Sims is an absolute tool; first time I saw him fight he was getting the **** beat out of him by Travis Fulton. It was like David vs Goliath except that Goliath sucked dick. But he's fought a bunch and never got anywhere except to fail on a forgotten season of TUF. Is that journeyman like, or is it being an apprentice?

Dan Severn's seminar was awesome; I learned a few wrestling ideas, but most of all it convinced my stubborn/"slow" wrestler friend that he should just box southpaw because his boxing sucks anyway and he used to be a D1 wrestler so he could keep his wrestling base that he worked on for 20 years. Totally worth my $25 to get him to finally understand what we've been telling him for four years. Dan Severn was the man.

His heart was visible, and the dismal sack that maketh excrement of what is eaten.

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Originally Posted by Holy Moment

Could he really be considered a journeyman? Wasn't he one of the best in his weight class at the time he competed?

Now that we're on the subject: Matt Hume.

Well, I guess it's a matter of perspective like many of the others on the list. Take a look at his record. Look at the shows he fought in. Look at who he beat and who he lost to. It says journeyman to me.

Regardless, he was an amazing and exciting fighter to watch. Very well rounded.

I'd also like to bring up more of the old Pancrase guys. There are a few of them who were fighting before UFC 1 and are still active to this day.

Yoshiki Takahashi- Crazy tough guy who beat Wallid Ismail in the UFC and won the inaugural Pancrase heavyweight title. His brutal fights with Ken Shamrock and Bas Rutten early on in his career probably took a huge toll on his body, but he kept on fighting nonetheless.

Vernon White- Was the first disciple of Ken Shamrock in the Lion's Den. He racked up a huge number of losses early on in his career because he was fighting before he was really ready, but once he started growing into his own he became a solid fighter.

Katsuomi Inagaki- I don't think he had too many significant wins, but I'll be damned if this guy didn't have heart. He had a fight with Vernon White that lasted about twenty-two minutes. It was competitive most of the time, but towards the end White just went apeshit and hit him with every illegal strike in the book (Without getting called for it). Inagaki still wanted to continue after enduring a barrage of punches, elbows, and groin shots that floored him several times, but the ref stopped it on lost points.

He also fought Bas Rutten for 14 minutes. Inagaki's liver must've been mush, but he kept coming on and only lost on lost points.

Jason DeLucia- Kung-fu kid who lost to Royce both in the Gracie Challenge and the UFC. Once he got training from Shamrock, he went to Pancrase and developed into a competitive fighter. In his debut he beat Masakatsu Funaki, the founder of Pancrase and one of its top fighters. This was only because Funaki was going easy on him, however, and miscalculated a rope escape while Jason had him in a kneebar. He lost to Funaki in subsequent rematches.

Other achievements include defeating Chris Lytle and former champion Minoru Suzuki. He also got his liver broken by Bas Rutten.

Manabu Yamada- Damn tough fighter who started out in Shooto before moving on to Pancrase. He fought the best in his day and often came out on top, even against Frank Shamrock, Masa Funaki, and Minoru Suzuki. He fought Ken Shamrock for thirty minutes in the inaugural King of Pancrase title match.

Murilio "Ninja" Rua
brother of current UFC Light Heavyweight Contender Mauricio "Shogun" Rua. Was a main eventer in PRIDE FC. Fight against Mario Sperry is one of my all time favorites.

Minowa
Crazy Japanese catch wrestler who went up against everyone from Wanderlei Silva to Cro Cop, and would throw drop kicks and Harold Howard style flipping axe kicks in a fight. Notice I said "went up against" not beat.

Karo Paresyian
The first guy to really use judo inside the Octagon. Always fun to watch and holds a win over Nick Diaz, but was never really able to string togather wins over top contenders.

Rich Clementi
Crazy cajun who has a submission victory over current UFC LW contender Melvin Guillard.