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Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

Originally Posted by Rodney

Pete, I can tell you are upset about this but letting your love of terrorists cloud your judgement...my, my, my. Hamas is the poster child of terror in the region so lets be real. Go give Laila a hug, I bitched her out earlier for being an EU liberal whinert.

I would like some hate paint thrown on me too, please. For I agree with Pete.

Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

Originally Posted by Tashah

As the government of Gaza, Hamas IS responsible for its territory and citizens.

Who the hell else could be responsible?

The government of Fiji?

wtf

Tasha, looking into the future of your country scares me as much as looking at Americas future. The way the games are being played(both sides of the ocean) leaves me in a state of mind of terror. Terror of ones own government ,and its adol minded peoples present state of apathy is a terror indeed. God bless Israel ,and trust me here, you are not alone. I really can`t imagine (fully) being in Israel,and knowing what Islam would have for your future. WAKE UP WORLD.

Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

Originally Posted by PeteEU

It states "Palestinian", not Hamas. There is no evidence that it was rockets ordered or sanctioned by Hamas.

You sound like a Hamas lover.

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Re: Gaza rocket hits southern Israel

Originally Posted by Tashah

That's a pathetic dodge Pete....

As the - government/military/police force - of Gaza, Hamas is ultimately responsible for its own actions... and the actions of Gazans in regards to ceasefire violations and aggression against a sovereign neighbor.

I agree, but I must assert that Israel needs to also get its house in order. I know the Israeli government does not approve of soldiers killing Palestinian farmers, settlers in Hebron running Palestinians off their land, and then taking it, sometimes killing Palestinians in the process, and the use of white phosphorus by Israeli troops. However, as Hamas should be held responsible for its actions, by virtue of their being the Palestinian leadership, Israel should also be held responsible for actions committed against Palestinians by its own military and citizenry. If Israel can only get its own house in order, then, while there still might be an outcry from its enemies when it invades Gaza, or invades Lebanon, or goes to war in other ways, those cries of "foul" would fall on deaf ears.

I would like to make some further points:

1) At this point, I will assert that Israel IS a Zionist state. I will also assert that there is nothing wrong with a Zionist state, and I fully support a Zionist state for the Jewish people. It is only Israel's enemies that have somewhat successfuly redefined the meaning of Zionism as something negative, when Zionism is actually something positive - A Jewish homeland. Those who have promised to destroy Israel have managed to pervert the concept of Zionism by running a campaign of misinformation.

2) If Israel had only annexed the territory in captured in the 1967 war, I don't believe that there would be much of a problem today. There is nothing wrong with taking spoils of war when you are the nation that others attempted to exterminate.

3) Israel should get its own house in order, and then, if provoked, I would be in favor of massive retaliation to teach its enemies that, for each Israeli killed, 100 or more of its enemies will die.

4) However, the concept of breaking cease fires is a two way street. Israel cannot have its cake and eat it too. Somewhere, the Israeli people need to show the world that it IS dedicated to peace.

5) In response to argument 4), people are only human, and that is the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Israel should put settlers in jail, and hand out harsh sentences to them, if they attack Palestinians in their own homes, and drive them off their land.

6) But, if Palestinians are using their land to support attacks on Israelis, then Israel should just take the land, and kill the offenders.

Damn. Look at me. I am debating myself. Who is going to win this debate? Me or me? Vote now.

Seriously, though, this is some really complicated stuff here. There are violations on both sides, but when you consider the history of how Israel's enemies have promised to eliminate the state of Israel, I have no choice but to be on the side of Israel, even if some of its own citizens are complicit in crimes against Palestinians. After all, Palestinian crimes against Israel are orders of magnitude greater. I only wish that Israel's citizens would not harden their hearts so much, and wish so much violence against those Palestinians who only want to live their lives in peace. But I understand if they do. Does not make hardened hearts right, though. I only said that I understand, but since I do not live in the area, then maybe I understand less than I believe I do.