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Similarly, since when is Christianity (or "Christianism") remotely close to the "opposite" of civil liberties?In this country, anyway, every major step forward in civil liberties -- abolitionism, women's suffrage, civil rights in the 50s and 60s -- was at its root pushed for by Christians, and the tradition continues today, in the fight against abortion.

I don't like the statue either, though, for a different reason: it denigrates the cross by putting it in a French statue. Just kidding.:-) Really, it doe

Besides the trolling, there's a point that I'm not sure I got: what does the statue means, for you? Given it's title, it's (for me) an allegory of liberty. But, liberty is an universal idea, that has probably been around since men exist, and that will probably continue to exist in all places and times... on the other hand, the cross is a symbol of a religion that is bound both in time (the Christian era) and in space (geographically), hence not universal (since the majority of the humanity doesn't care abou

Are you implying *I* am trolling? Certainly, I am trolling no more than you are.

there's a point that I'm not sure I got: what does the statue means, for you? Given it's title, it's (for me) an allegory of liberty. But, liberty is an universal idea, that has probably been around since men exist, and that will probably continue to exist in all places and times... on the other hand, the cross is a symbol of a religion that is bound both in time (the Christian era) and in space (geographically), hence not universal (since the majority of the humanity doesn't care about it).

I disagree on both counts. The statue of liberty is specific to political liberty, and there's nothing NOT universal about the cross, which is meant for absolutely everybody, in every time and place. (Whether people care about it is irrelevant; certainly the majority of humanity doesn't care about the statue, either.)

So if one of the symbols is denigrated by the other (which I do not believe, for em they're equally powerful symbols), surely that would be the liberty denigrated by the cross?

Well, for the trolling, I was referring to your comments about the nationality of the sculptor, Bartholdi...

And for the cross, I still have to disagree: even for Christians, it cannot be meant for everybody, since lots of people have died BC, jews and gentiles. I can't see how the cross can signify anything for a (for example) an average contemporary hinduist, but since I'm not Christian, it's normal our opinions differ on this...