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Nuts & Tourists Invade Riverview Park

Submitted by Arizona Phil on Fri, 03/20/2015 - 9:46pm

The Asheville Tourists (Colorado Rockies Lo-A affiliate) rode a 13-hit attack that included three doubles, two triples and a home run, to coast past the South Bend Cubs (Lo-A affiliate of the Chicago Cubs) 9-5 on Field #5, and the Modesto Nuts (Rockies Hi-A affiliate) cruised to a 6-1 victory over the Myrtle Beach Pelicans (Cubs Hi-A affiliate) on Field #6, in Cactus League minor league game action this afternoon at Mesa Cubtown at Riverview Park.

Eloy Jimenez had a fine day for South Bend in a losing cause on Field #5, clouting a solo home run, as well as drilling two singles, drawing a walk, stealing a base, scoring two runs, and collecting two RBI. If Jimenez continues to hit in games the way he has so far, he might find himself the Opening Day RF at South Bend.

Both Gioskar Amaya and Mark Zagunis collected a double, a single, and a walk (Amaya also stole two bases) in the Pelican loss on Field #6.

The Defensive Play of the Day was turned in by South Bend third-baseman Jesse Hodges, who made a diving stop of a hot grounder to his right, quickly got to his feet, and made a pinpoint laser-throw to first to nail the Asheville batter by a half-step. (Hodges would later commit a throwing error on an easy one-hopper where he had plentry of time).

Here are the abridged box scores from the two games (Cubs players only):

It seems a little tied in to what Maddon was saying about Baez the other day, loving the bat speed, but not the inability to control it. The big concern - voiced to the point where it is 3/44 I guess, is that I'm not sure you can teach what Baez has to learn. Castro may have given him the best advice, in swinging earlier, but can you really learn that? I was a terrible hitter - bad eyes - so I have no idea because if it was me I'm just up there flailing hoping for a miracle, but can a guy like Baez just learn to see the ball better? I read an interesting article about Miguel Cabrera awhile back where they said he was able to actually see the spin of the ball coming out of the pitcher's hand. Obviously, that sets him apart if true since that is probably pretty rare, but if Baez really doesn't know when to launch that wild swing of his, can it be taught or learned at this level? That's a question for people who know more about hitting, not a "I don't think he can make it" comment.

I know I've said this before, so apologies for being repetitive, but I think it is a mistake to always consider ability to see/react to the pitch separately from swing mechanics. A big swing could mean that you have to start earlier as a hitter, meaning that you are reacting to the pitch earlier and making a decision with slightly less information than someone who can wait a bit longer. Cutting down on a swing or adjusted swing mechanics in other ways can actually allow you to see the ball better in a variety of ways that are independent of quality of eyesight itself.
I always figured that was the cause of Soriano's vulnerability to the breaking ball vs. A-Ram's (or Castro's, for another example) relative ability to hit them. Soriano's decision to swing or lay off and his bat path may have both been determined when the ball was farther away from him because he had so much load up and overall exertion.
This is not to say, of course, that raw eyesight is never a causal factor.

That makes a lot of sense to me. It makes sense, too, that some hitters may even compensate a bit for not being able to see the ball as well as others by having ferocious swings that crush the ball when they make contact. Baez doesn't have to be perfect up there - he's shown that he can hit low sliders a long way. He just has to somehow find a way to not swing at every friggin pitch, and, like Castro says, start a bit earlier (maybe?)

This is getting ridiculous.
OK, so start him with the Cubs. Who knows? This may turn out to be their best chance to win for the next 10 years -- solid rotation, promising bullpen, good leadoff guy, young power bats -- take your shot.

I know the probability that they all make it as MLB everyday players is not great, but it's hard not to drool over the prospect of Bryant, Soler, Russell, a not-struggling Baez, and Schwarber all in the same Cubs lineup. Especially with so many of these prospects (with the exception of Baez) putting up some good offensive numbers this Spring Training.

AZ Phil was able to talk me out of the odds against it happening by pointing to some teams with a lot of successful prospects. The thing is, Bryant, Russell, Soler, and Schwarber all seem to have a really good idea of what they are doing at the plate. Baez may be the odd man out, but even he could be a force if he just gets things under control a bit. A Soriano type, maybe, but that's not a bad career.

Based on the Cubs' hitting today, I'd like to add to my comment the following prediction: 6 years from now all current Cubs prospects have enjoyed the first several years of illustrious careers, fans of every other MLB team hate Cubs fans and Kris Bryant, and our bodies and minds are ruined by years of almost uninterrupted masturbation.
Kind of like St. Louis Cards fans now. [cymbal crash]

Rick Sutcliffe (@Sut_ESPN) tweeted that, in the Cubs dugout today, Billy Williams compared Kris Bryant to Roy Hobbs. Via @thecubreporter, I asked whether Billy was referring to the heroic movie depiction of Roy Hobbs or the fallen-hero-crushed-by-his-own-hubris depiction of Hobbs from the novel. Sutcliffe tweeted back that he will confirm with Billy tomorrow.

Jesus Christ he's on fire. But so was Bryan LaHair ... anyone can have a hot stretch. This game is about the long haul. No, Kris Bryant is not an ageing AAAA player like LaHair, but someone of his talent level playing to kill in spring training against pitchers trying to find their stuff and get innings in does not mean he's gonna be a world beater in 2015. Chances are he IS rookie of the year. Fine. Maybe. Chances also are he still has a lot to learn. Chances also are the Cubs are still a year away from contending.
But just because he's pissed off and annihilating spring training pitching doesn't mean you bring him up for 9 days and lose a year on the back end. There's very good odds he doesn't do shit the first month. Maybe he cools off literally and at the plate.
I still vote send him down. Last year baez crushed homers his first week. Soler killed the ball at an unearthly clip, Alcantara had an insane first few games. It's adrenaline and a sprint. But baseball isn't a sprint. Something to prove and pitchers learning. Bryant is doing it in spring training - games don't count. Doesn't mean too much with regard to the long haul. Gonna be ups and downs. He'll start down.

I respectfully disagree, but I will admit that he is still two homers away from Jake Fox's 10 Spring home runs mark (I think he had a ton anyway, but I can't find spring stats on him quickly so I could be wrong).

Maddon saying Bryant to get outfield work starting this week. That works well in a number of ways. He can be sent to AAA to get outfield reps for a couple of weeks. Olt can start at third. Rizzo, La Stella, Castro, Olt, Montero, Bryant, Fowler, Soles for a lineup, with Alcantara as utility and Baez ready to push La Stella to the bench if he does well in AAA.

I don't have strong feelings about it, but at least it should make the transition easier if they have to Miguel Cabrera/Ryan Braun him. Still like him a lot better at 3B if he can play passable defense there.
I do like the possibility that it gives Olt a few more chances to prove he can have value as an MLB player.

there is way too much "making fun of people who want bryant to be up" snark going around the internet (not here as much)...and too many of those on board with keeping him down are so full of shit.
he doesn't need to "work on" anything...he's most likely going down for the same reason he wasn't brought up last september...money and service time.
i understand and support the decision to keep him down, but there's not some noble "casual fans don't understand" reasoning for sending him down aside from the service time issue unless the kool aid is flowing so hard that those who are buying the official line actually believe it has very little to nothing to do with service time.
it's getting toxic out there on both sides of the issue.
myself, it's hard to argue with keeping him down a couple weeks...i don't care if he breaks with the team or comes up in late-april. the system needs fixing, not bryant, not theo/jed, not boras, not tony clark, etc etc...fix it and it's not an issue going forward. this has been going on for years...TB's very familiar with the hate and angst and they've never cared.

saying he has things to work on doesn't mean someone doesn't understand that his being sent down to work on those things doesn't also benefit the organization. Or that it's the combination of having things to work on and service time that is at question here, not one or the other.

If there's anything Bryant needs to work on in Iowa, it's probably baserunning. With all these HRs he's hitting, he's not getting any practice on the basepaths.
Sorry, I know I'm late to the joke party on this subject.

I would think that the casual fan is the one who cares the most. I went on record in the previous thread that I wanted him to start with the MLB club, but I don't feel very strongly about it, and I would think most thinking baseball fans won't, either. If Bryant doesn't start the year with the big club, my man Olt gets a few more chances at things, and so that's a plus. I don't think it's a mistake if Bryant doesn't start off with the big league club, I just think the whole service time thing is kind of silly since we cannot possibly know what things will look like six years down the road. For me, it's a slight preference that he start up with the big league club. But I also kinda want to see Olt in the lineup for a month to see what happens there. This team is so loaded with prospects that it's fun no matter what happens.

i'm really not seeing much irrational (hell, nothing really) about what's been going on here, but on other boards, twitter, and etc things are getting off the hook.
there's a group of people out there who see the front office as a 100% outlet for truth, gospel, and anyone suggesting there's anything going on besides exactly what they're saying are heretics who don't deserve to be cubs fans.

hammel just recorded the last out with a man on 2nd. he was hitting 8th...hurrah for that crap.
i think t.wood is the only guy in this rotation that should be hitting 8th...though not over alcantara like hammel is today.

t.wood pinch hit for hammel to end the cubs 1/2 of the inning...cute.
alcantara lead off the next inning with a homer, btw. he's looking like an awesome supersub option for the cubs...a guy that would be getting a chance to start on a lot of clubs.

Well the reference is a wee bit of humor only I would probably get - for a week or so every single beat writer was making a Zobrist/Alcantara comparison. Partly because I think Maddonini brought it up but it was pretty relentless for a bit.

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A's have decided to not be horrible and to pay their minor leaguers through the end of the season (august)

"“I changed my mind after spending a lot of time talking to our team,” A's owner John Fisher told the Chronicle. “I concluded I’d made a mistake. I’ve listened to our fans and others, and there is no question that this is the right thing to do. We clearly got this decision wrong. These players represent our future and we will immediately begin paying our minor-league players. I take responsibility and I’m making it right.""

I'm in. What more do we need, really. A beer. A game or two. The 162 game season can wait until next year (I hope). Have fun with a micro-mini season. Let the powers fight over the labor agreements. They can finish by next spring, right?

IN BRIEF (Tribune, from their mini-sports section): In a letter, MLB rejects players’ plan for 114 gamesNews servicesMajor League Baseball rejected the players’ proposal for a 114-game schedule in the pandemic-delayed season with no additional salary cuts, telling the union that teams have no reason to think 82 games is possible and now will discuss even fewer.Players made their proposal Sunday, five days after management’s initial economic plan.

I agree. Laura is the real deal. I think she was the major influence that showed Tom R. and Crane Kenney how to show a "human side" and deal realistically and in a non-threatening way, with the local Chicago politicians. Kenney was clearly clueless in his initial attempts regarding the neighborhood, the Rooftop owners, and the Wrigley Field rebuild.