True, but I think that's mostly because The Beatles were smart enough to quit at the right time and to make sure that their music was marketed the right way.

Maybe it would be fair to compare the same period of both bands (1962-1970). In my opinion the Beatles beat the Beach Boys even during their mid-60's peak. I think that noone ever released such a great trilogy as Rubber Soul-Revolver-Sgt. Pepper's. I love Pet Sounds but it's not even a Top 10 album for me.

Maybe it would be fair to compare the same period of both bands (1962-1970). In my opinion the Beatles beat the Beach Boys even during their mid-60's peak. I think that noone ever released such a great trilogy as Rubber Soul-Revolver-Sgt. Pepper's. I love Pet Sounds but it's not even a Top 10 album for me.

I was really intrigued by this and decided to give it a more nerd-ish approach and give a score from 1 to 10 to each album by both The Beatles and The Beach Boys and then sum and divide them in order to get an average score. I knew Beatles were going to win (I don't really like some early BB's albums) but it was still fun to see the final results.

Hey if you want to see a cool documentary, look up Dennis Wilson The Real Beach Boy on YouTube. Its a reference to the fact that Dennis was the only one who actually surfed in the band, (In the beginning) and it was pretty informative.

Anyway, I've been getting into the Smile album lately and I can't help but think what a great song Surfs Up would have been if it was about the beach, or something to do with their earlier themes. The words just sound too poetic to me (written by Van Dyke Parks). I mean its a great song, it really is, the depth that's there is incredible. And the words are good on their own, but not as a Beach Boys song.

What's your opinion on that?

Joost, its funny I was going to post this on a Beach Boys forum but they're more rabid than Beatles fans. 5dp Or, at least, Im used to the Beatles fans

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"Someone told me a few minutes ago they saw John walking on the street once wearing a button saying "I Love Paul." And this girl said she asked him, "Why are you wearing a button that says ' I Love Paul'? He said "Because I love Paul."

Anyway, I've been getting into the Smile album lately and I can't help but think what a great song Surfs Up would have been if it was about the beach, or something to do with their earlier themes. The words just sound too poetic to me (written by Van Dyke Parks). I mean its a great song, it really is, the depth that's there is incredible. And the words are good on their own, but not as a Beach Boys song.

What's your opinion on that?

The idea of 'Surf's Up' actually having lyrics about surfing or the beach sounds silly to me, that would be the exact same thing as putting lyrics like 'Love Me Do' or 'Please Please Me' on a song like 'Strawberry Fields Forever' or 'I Am The Walrus'.

Carl : 1. Let The Wind Blow (In Concert version - absolutely stunning; one of the most powerful and emotional moments in the history of the band. I've always wondered if everything came spontaneously or he planned to sing it that way)2. Darlin' (many seem to prefer later live recordings, but for me Carl has never quite matched his lead here. His voice still had that bit of naivety and innocence that he lost later and that way it matches the subject matter very well)3. 4th Of July

Brian : 1. Surf's Up (1967 Piano Demo from The Smile Sessions)2. Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder) - music critic George Starostin put it very well : "...with an intonation stuck somewhere in between lazy, melancholic, and tender, that I could never reproduce"3. You Still Believe In Me

Dennis :1. Cuddle Up 2. In The Back Of My Mind3. Never Learn Not To Love

That's probably my favorite unreleased Beach Boys song. It was written by Al and recorded by The Beach Boys in 1978. It's never been officially released, but it has been heavily bootlegged (under different titles: 'Lookin' Down The Coast', 'Monterey' and 'Song Of The Whale'). Al released a new (slower) solo version on his album 'A Postcard From California', but I think the original is far superior.

Ah, that pervy little folkie. I always knew there was more to him than meets the eye. No, but seriously, I'd love to hear that. I wonder if there are any chances for it to be properly released on the 'Made In California' box-set or do I have to start looking for bootlegs...

Joost, I came upon Younger Girl by The Hondells for the first time today. I can't believe I've never heard it before. Sure, I'm familiar with The Lovin' Spoonful and The Critters' versions, but can you elaborate on this for me...