I will not argue that the event is completely fake, of course, because I am quite sure this such building was on fire and burned down as the videos depict. And, unfortunately, it's very well possible that such a terrible accident really happened and that all these people really died, have been harmed or have lost their homes.

However, the understated reactions of the survivors in front of the cameras, some of the language used by media and witnesses, the emphasis on "children trapped" or "thrown out" of the window, people "banging on the windows", allows for a bit of research in the possibility that, while the fire was real, the building was actually empty, nobody died (WTC, 9/11), and the whole event was staged.

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cMaT5t6wxc...can't shake the feeling "Michael Paramasivan" (why the Indian surname?) looks like a copper...

This is supposed to be a bit of action: someone from the building screaming for help to people on the street:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLm42C6ghAA"what floor are you on, seven or eleven?" "eleven, he said it, it's eleven".(I don't get this: the tower burned all night, engulfed in smoke, and the next day there is still someone trapped at the 11th floor, alive? uhm...)

Finally, the "conspiracy theory" is given here:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1lP614TD3w"I'm not gonna lie... I'm not sure this was an accident"

This might not be related, but when I used to debate economics online there was many Britons on the forum where I visited. And the government of the UK was doing everything it could to push up housing and rental prices. In an earlier time, in the years after WW2, the governments of those days were actually quite effective. And one thing they did was to build several million low income housing units, often tower blocks.

Over time these public housing units had their mortgages paid off by the state. And then the government asked only that the tenants pay for the maintenance and upkeep of the complexes(to the best ability of each person in public housing).

To make a long story short, the end result was several millions of poor Britons having good quality housing for a nominal monthly amount. While this might seem like a victory, to the modern governments under both Labour and the Tories they saw this as an awful ending. So they set about destroying hundreds of thousands of these public rental units. And then when the poor people had no place to live, the state would outbid other renters on the private rental market. Which then made several million more Brits unable to compete and pay their monthly rent. Which the obvious solution was the government would subsidise this new demographic in addition to the original group of poor, and bid up the private rents yet more.

In order to demolish tens and tens of thousands of condo buildings, the government came up with several propaganda arguments. Firstly that these concrete and steel buildings were allegedly too dangerous to occupy, and thus had to be demolished. Secondly they said these condo buildings bred poverty and criminality.

To show the scale of this housing benefit program, it has grown to the size that it matches the British defense department in annual spending(and basically all of it now goes to private landlords - some people have gotten very, very rich with this scheme). The people on the forum I was on just could not believe that their government would lie in order to achieve its selfish aims. No matter what argument I used they were brainwashed by the propaganda points.

Maybe this building was just one that caught on fire as can happen, but I've never seen a nation so focused on trying to destroy its own housing stock as the UK.

"A horrified woman tells of how a mother threw her baby from a window of Grenfell tower in London and describes the "harrowing" scenes. Report by Charlotte Brehaut."

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JNvMMsODfo

If, as she states, the baby was dropped from the 9th or 10th floor, then a speculative idea of the scenario which took place can be gained by applying quick math, in that if it is taken the height of each floor is around 3m, it would indicate this to be around a 30m high drop and entering this figure along with the average weight of say a baby at 9 months -10kg* ( the actual age of the baby is not known as yet) into the "Splat calculator", which calculates how fast you're moving after falling a certain distance — your free fall speed, then the below figures are attained,

Thus if my interpretation of the figures are correct and the woman's statement is also correct, that ' a man ran and miraculously caught the baby as it was being thrown', it would indicate the man was both a very fast runner and a very strong individual indeed.

This was uploaded via Facebook Live by someone within the building at the time of the fire. It is said that this was taken from one of the top floors.

In the video they mention smoke, yet when she pans outside the building the night is very smoke free, Ok, it could be that the fire was around the other side of the building or wind blew the smoke in the opposite direction, but still, judging by images and reports of the fire, it would appear the building was quickly engulfed by flames and smoke on all sides and very little wind.

The 27-year-old perfect Italian male model (and his 27-year-old perfect Italian female model), we are told, apparently were on the phone with daddy in Italy as the fire had broken out - and as smoke was gushing into their working-class flat. Then, as daddy well remembers, the line went blank - at 4:07...

To new readers: it would be really easy to set this up within a network of computer-generated timed accounts, this is actually one of the purposes of "Social media"... to grant existence to the non existing.

I will not argue that the event is completely fake, of course, because I am quite sure this such building was on fire and burned down as the videos depict. And, unfortunately, it's very well possible that such a terrible accident really happened and that all these people really died, have been harmed or have lost their homes.

However, the understated reactions of the survivors in front of the cameras, some of the language used by media and witnesses, the emphasis on "children trapped" or "thrown out" of the window, people "banging on the windows", allows for a bit of research in the possibility that, while the fire was real, the building was actually empty, nobody died (WTC, 9/11), and the whole event was staged.

I think this is highly likely. The whole eye sore can now be pulled down and replaced with another block of flats each selling for a million plus each.

antipodean » June 16th, 2017, 12:24 pm wrote:I think this is highly likely. The whole eye sore can now be pulled down and replaced with another block of flats each selling for a million plus each.

This would be correct. I bet too if you look at the ownership of the Joe90 tower block, it belongs to a "Tory" or a friend of the "Torys".Remember the Urban Redevelopment of Manchester dressed up as an "IRA" Bomb? Best thing ever to happen to Manchester. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Manchester_bombing - which took place on June 15 .

edit/ What borough of London is it and who holds the Parliamentary seat? Answer : That would be the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea and it's true blue Tory.

@ nonho That's a very good point about the trap styling itself "social media".

The first victim of the Grenfell Tower fire has been named as Syrian refugee Mohammad al-Haj Ali, whom grieving friends say "came here for a better life" but the UK "failed him".Mohammed al-Haj Ali, a civil engineering student at the University of West London, was separated from his older brother Omar on the stairs as they tried to escape the inferno engulfing the 24-storey block. The 23-year-old was behind Omar but after was overwhelmed by the smoke. He returned alone to their flat on the 14th floor, where he was trapped for two hours. He made phonecalls to friends and family at home in war-torn Syria before sending one final message that read: "The fire is here now, goodbye".A friend from the Syrian community wrote on Facebook: "He had escaped death from Syrian and came to the UK to find a new life. But God had bigger plans for him.“He survived Assad, the war in Syria, only to die in a tower block in London. There are no words,” said Mr Almashi.

So unlucky Mohammad, overcome by smoke while escaping, decided to give up and go back to his flat....where he was trapped for two hours (I thought it was supposed to be a fast moving inferno!?!)...in which time he had no thoughts of escaping but decided to phone everyone he knew including relatives in Syria. His final words reportedly being "The fire is here now, goodbye".

To new readers: it would be really easy to set this up within a network of computer-generated timed accounts, this is actually one of the purposes of "Social media"... to grant existence to the non existing.

“I have never in my entire life seen an event like this where the death count has been downplayed by the mainstream media. 17? I’m sorry but I am hearing the figure is much closer to 150 and that many of those people are children.”

“I have never in my entire life seen an event like this where the death count has been downplayed by the mainstream media. 17? I’m sorry but I am hearing the figure is much closer to 150 and that many of those people are children.”