U90,Have you not read my posts. Until BYU beats Utah, they really have
nothing to brag about as far as the rivalry is concerned. That doesn't mean
that BYU didn't have a better overall year than Utah last year. But yes,
Utah gets the bragging rights.

Ute4life,

Nice spin. BYU
fans talk about how bad Utah is and will be in the PAC and they immediately
start talking about how they own BYU. Hence, the comments about BYU being
Utah's measuring stick. As in Utah thinks it a successful season if they
beat BYU. After all, that is the first thing Utah fans like to point at when the
subject comes up as to how pathetic Utah is in the PAC. Please explain why Utah
has yet to beat a PAC team with a winning record without mentioning anything
about BYU.

"Why don't you list top 5 finishes and head to head vs
the two? Also your bowl record for the Bronco/Kyle era is way off"

two words: reading comprehension

The bowl record listed was
"since" Kyle's flash-in-the-pan 2008 season:

Bowl
RecordBronco 4-0Kyle 2-1

Kyle gets credit for his one
great flash-in-the-pan season one Top 5 finish, but his overall record still
falls short of Bronco's.

Overall, Bronco has three times more
Top 15 finishes, twice as many AP Top 25 finishes, twice as many conference
championships, a better overall record 74-29 versus 70-32, one more bowl, and no
losing seasons.

Kyle has a 5-3 advantage head-to-head win.Bronco has a 5-3 advantage in overall records and rankings.

btw,
forgot to give Kyle credit for his two losses to 10-loss teams, and his losses
to every bottom dwelling team in the MWC - Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico,
and UNLV - teams Bronco never lost to.

The article wasn't "proof" of anything, it was
speculation based on some similarities, and yes there are quite a few
similarities. I'm guessing you are one of those guys that takes every
single thing literally and has no concept of sarcasm, generalities, or even
similarities. You are incapable of disseminating the difference between
speculation and statements of fact.

The article was SPECULATION based
on similarities. I can see the similarities, I can see the point rock was
making, I can take it for what it is. Of course no one KNOWS how utah's
future will turn out but all we have to guess with is the past and the present
and the past and the present is not very good.

@Cougars1:There was no spin. I agree wholeheartedly with U90. It's a
pretty simple concept. And as for your question about the PAC I can honestly
answer that the Utes have entered into a much tougher conference with teams who
have had years to recruit higher caliber players. That coupled with the Utes
trouble at QB and last year on the O line has made the transition difficult.
Fair enough?

Ute4life,Fair enough. I also think the coaching staff is going through a
learning curve as they adjust to playing tougher teams week in and week out. I
just hope the fans are patient with them as they adjust.

In 2010 BYU finished 5th
overall in a 3 team MWC at 6-6. You started out 2-5 including being exposed by
4-8 Utah State 38-16. Then qualified for a Bowl by beating teams with a combined
record of 9-40 and because of an alum in the replay booth. Beat 6-7 UTEP in New
Mexico and carried Bronco off the field.

"Funny how Texas A&M's head-to-head
win over Alabama was COMPLETELY IGNORED by every single voter in the final
polls."

So if Texas A&M were Utah, and BYU was Alabama, Utah
fans would be claiming that Utah was BETTER than the national champion, even
though BYU finished #1 in the polls, with every single #1 vote in both polls,
and Utah finished #5 in both polls.

All based on the fallacious
argument that "All of the irrelevant secondary facts in the world won't
change the only stat that counts: HEAD-TO-HEAD COMPETITION!"