So I've been trying to not be " that guy" and diamond my SMGs before my ARs. But when someone pisses me off with certain weapons I want to use them to piss them off back.

I've golded and mastered( I believe) every SMG except the MP7 and the MSMC. MP7 I waited because MW3 ruined it for me. But it's a decent weapon.

The MSMC! On the other hand, WTF. Wasn't this thing the claimed " try hard" gun? People destroy me with it. I have over 1000 kills and don't even have Kryptek camo. Every other gun I got gold at around 1000 kills, except the KSG which I got at 700.

What the hell is wrong with the cheap plastic toy that is the MSMC. I utterly hate it. It's not even that I play " bad with it". It's that I can play good, and be shit on by someone using the same exact gun. It doesn't make sense. And no, it's not lag, not my connection so that can't be blamed as I've hardly experienced half of what everyone else claims to experience..

It's the gun itself. Or either it's me. I use fast mags and FMJ on it, because I have a sleight of hands obsession, what would some of you recommend instead? I'm just tired of dying to them left and right even when I'm using one myself.

When you have your little "clan meetings" or whatever you call them, before you start playing, do you plan out your next match by saying,"Alright- everyone equip their most tryhard, bitch-mode classes so we can go spawn camp the crap out of these people who don't take the game as seriously as we do. Then we can make fun of them for 'taking the game too seriously' when they get pissed off at us for being campers."

Because I can only assume that's what goes on.I wouldn't know. I have real friends.

When you have your little "clan meetings" or whatever you call them, before you start playing, do you plan out your next match by saying,"Alright- everyone equip their most tryhard, bitch-mode classes so we can go spawn camp the crap out of these people who don't take the game as seriously as we do. Then we can make fun of them for 'taking the game too seriously' when they get pissed off at us for being campers."

Because I can only assume that's what goes on.I wouldn't know. I have real friends.

Simple answer- Yes

Drawn out answer- Most of the clans I've come across either spawn camp, or spawn trap. And normally none of them play the objective, unless it's S&D in which the only reason they CAN play the objective is because they spawn camp, kill off 5 of the 6 team members, plant. And POW! Magic wins in a 6 on 1 battle. The spawn trapping is bullshit too because as you said, they yell at you for camping. Yet you're camping because you can't leave your spawn. Especially when there's a warthog in the air killing off your whole team in 1 pass everytime you spawn.

So my conclusion would be, YES in the " clan meetings" before each session they strategically make a decision to push their weeners inside of their bodies and play like vaginas.

When you have your little "clan meetings" or whatever you call them, before you start playing, do you plan out your next match by saying,"Alright- everyone equip their most tryhard, bitch-mode classes so we can go spawn camp the crap out of these people who don't take the game as seriously as we do. Then we can make fun of them for 'taking the game too seriously' when they get pissed off at us for being campers."

Because I can only assume that's what goes on.I wouldn't know. I have real friends.

My friend asked me to play with his clan on MW3. I think clans are pointless, but I tried it out for a day anyways. Needless to say, everything you just said is true. Everyone but me was using ACRs. The whole plan from the start was to spawn trap the shit out of the enemy team. There was a guy coordinating the whole thing, and he would call out the enemies spawn locations every switch. I couldn't even keep up. When 6 guys with mics coordinate a spawn trap with easy-mode weapons, the other team has no chance. It's stupid. It wasn't even fun to win.

I have been on the receiving end of these clans several times. And it is infuriating. They ALWAYS talk shit after the match, and enjoy repeating the phrase "you all suck".

When in reality, if you split up their precious clan and took each player on individually, they would suck.

I have met one clan recently who was actually very sporting. None of them were using "try-hard" classes, and none of them were camping or spawn trapping. After each match, they would all say "well-played" or "good game". They weren't really dominating either. I bet they could, though.

Clans are idiots 99% of the time. I wish I had 5 extremely good players in my friends list that I could call on anytime I ran into these stupid 1337 clans.

I used to run a clan with my friends, al decent players, but never had any strategies. All just good players playing their own style and then bragging to eachother and ripping on eachother for having a poor game.

Man I'm sick of shotty's..stupid remington doesnt work with lag. It's just a hitmarker gun. Up close even, because i ADS with it, ALWAYS, there is no spread...from a shotgun..baagh!! frustrating. I need 4 more bloodthirsty's and then it's gold...but i need to prestige it agin to max it...im under 600 kills with the gun

When I play with a clan or group, it ends up everyone kind of does their own things, but there's an unspoken rule to not push spawns, control the game and go for the win, but never flip spawns. For me personally, I don't care how we play as long as we win, that's how I get fun out of the game. I only really get mad when I play well but we lose, because the randoms were jacking off at the back of the map to the posters of models on Plaza.

donmonster I'm just gonna weigh in on the whole MSMC thing. I actually love the weapon so much, it looks and sounds great imo. I'm partly disgusted at myself though, because in the last few games I've really hated the tryhard weapons (the MP7 made me gauge my eyes out in MW3) but god damn, it's so enjoyable. Nonetheless, like you, it was just much slower than other automatics to get gold, and the only explanation I can think of is that its recoil is significantly lower than other guns, making the kick up to the head slower. I use any two of Long Barrel/Extended Mags/Quickdraw/Stock, but usually Long Barrel is pretty necessary for me.

Also, why are people hating on the symmetrical maps in the game? I think Slums/Express/Standoff/Yemen are my favourite maps in the game because they're symmetrical, and symmetrical maps provide the most balance. Nothing annoyed me more than the Domination setups for the good MW3 maps. With the exception of Seatown, all the setups were absolutely retarded, and one team had an insta-advantage. What's even worse is that most maps HAD a good central location for the B flag, but it was put off to the side by some retard. My mouth waters at the thought of the B-flag being in the middle of Bootleg, the centre of Boardwalk next to the double set of stairs, etc. What's more is how much I love the maps they got right, ie Overwatch, Foundation, Seatown, Oasis.

When you have your little "clan meetings" or whatever you call them, before you start playing, do you plan out your next match by saying,"Alright- everyone equip their most tryhard, bitch-mode classes so we can go spawn camp the crap out of these people who don't take the game as seriously as we do. Then we can make fun of them for 'taking the game too seriously' when they get pissed off at us for being campers."

Because I can only assume that's what goes on.I wouldn't know. I have real friends.

Simple answer- Yes

Drawn out answer- Most of the clans I've come across either spawn camp, or spawn trap. And normally none of them play the objective, unless it's S&D in which the only reason they CAN play the objective is because they spawn camp, kill off 5 of the 6 team members, plant. And POW! Magic wins in a 6 on 1 battle. The spawn trapping is bullshit too because as you said, they yell at you for camping. Yet you're camping because you can't leave your spawn. Especially when there's a warthog in the air killing off your whole team in 1 pass everytime you spawn.

Gawd...nothing worse than lone wolfing it on TD and running into a 6-man-clan

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Dragonfire pops up once in like 100 games, and the *bleep*ing thing takes an absolute age to drop with the *bleep*ing lock on launcher I need by which time I'm dead before reloading or someone else shoots it down.

Dragonfire pops up once in like 100 games, and the *bleep*ing thing takes an absolute age to drop with the *bleep*ing lock on launcher I need by which time I'm dead before reloading or someone else shoots it down.

Actually, it's faster just to shoot it down with bullets. The dragonfire is usually evasive, which makes it difficult to lock onto. I destroy them with black hats all the time.

Here's a moan: gun game and sharpshooter. It doesn't matter how good you are, it just matters how lucky you are with the spawns. Especially on big maps. If you camp, you definitely won't win. But if you try to run around, you get shot in the back within seconds from someone who just spawned.

I can lock onto one no issue and that used to be enough to take it down as most people keep them stationary, but they've since buffed it's heath a bit so it withstands more. May resort to just spamming bullets at it if needs be.

Except you need to shoot down 10 piloted scorestreaks with the Stinger for one of the camos, so you need to get 10 of those *bleep*ers if you want golden camo. I still need golden camo for my Stinger and it's annoying to play dozens of games and never see a Dragonfire, only to not be able to shoot it down when it does appear because it takes forever for me to lock on that I get killed and somebody else destroys it.