Society of Illuminated
Scholars

The following transcript is from a recorded conversation
between myself and one of the key players in the area
of monatomic elements. The interview took place on July 27, 1996. Prior to our
recorded conversation, it was agreed that the interviewee was to remain as
anonymous as possible therefore I cannot provide any specific information (e.g.
name, contact information, position, location etc.). For the record, I
personally attest that this person is indeed both qualified and capable of
speaking on the following subjects. This material is not copyrighted and may be
reproduced and distributed freely, but only in its entirety.

Strength In
Wisdom

b: I understand that you have ingested
monatomics in the past, what product did you take?

u: A combination of Iridium and Rhodium.

b: When?

u: About two years ago.

b; How much?

u: I started with 250 mg a day and by the
time I ended a 42 day fast was up to about 2500 mg. I probably took 2500 mg for
a total of five or six days though, and I only did 250 mg three or four days.

b: Then went up to 1000 mg?

u: I'm impatient, I moved up very, very
quickly. I started taking the material eight days into the fast. I did a lot of
cleansing both before and during (slightly into the fast). During the fast, we
monitored every single detail we could including:
blood sugar, blood pressure, weight, temperature...things we could have a
handle on.

b: So, you were fasting for seven days.
On the eighth day, you started taking 250 mg. Are you still taking it?

u: I still take material but I don't take it
in that volume. Now you have to understand, these materials are present in
carrots. They're present in all kinds of food.

u: There were a lot of things we wanted to
find out about and there was no other way to do it. I'll tell you right now: we
didn't know if I would die or not.

b: But you were willing.

u: I have no fear about anything like that.
I really do not have any fear.

b: What effect(s) can you attribute to
your ingestion of this material?

u: It wasn't very long after I started that
the sound started occurring. The sound outside of sound.
That really is key to what can happen. Most people will hear that and think
their ears are ringing. If you're careful, you'll realize that it's not in your
ears. As you proceed with this, you'll realize that it actually moves outside
your head and just above the crown of your head. It's more than a sound, it
becomes an emanation....it really does. And that's when you have something that
you can work with. By far, the majority of people who've ever had to deal with
this didn't have a clue. If they'd studied some Taoist alchemy...if they had
studied anything and applied it to themselves rather than keeping everything
outside themselves...they'd have known that the dialogue they build with that phenomena gives them the keys to the next steps. There
really is a trade-off that starts to occur. That's what made my experience so
uniquely different from everyone else's.

b: So you were prepared for it.

u: I knew what to do. But there are very,
very few people who do. This takes place internally. It's an active process.
You're not going to sit there and have this zip through you and all of the
sudden these wonderful things are there. It can't be that way. That's not the
way the circuit is set up in your system. Your chakras and realizations are not
built that way. Nothing is built that way. And to expect something outside of
that is absolute foolishness.

b: Is that all you experienced?

u: No, but that's a two day conversation in
itself. If you want to get to the rest of your questions....it got to the point
where I was standing in an electric flame. I could tell you a million things
that occurred that were all way different from anything normal, but they
occurred progressively as a result of me dealing with them.

b: Were you psychic prior to ingesting
it?

u: Yeah, probably. But what happened
afterwards is truly unique. It changed everything in a way that hasn't made my
life very nice. If you were to talk with some people, they would say it's made
me impossible to be around...there's no way in the world to lie. It's not fun.
Most people are not going to like it. It's not light-hearted. It's not easy.
Unless you have someone that you can deal with that has a point of reference
for it, you're going to be very alone. These materials and how they've been
dealt with historically have a rich, beautiful tradition built around them.
Only now do I understand why.

b: Any adverse effects?

u: Well, my life is not Father Knows Best.

b: Are there any lasting manifestations?

u: Absolutely yes.

b: Care to elaborate?

u: Well, psychic, physical, emotional. b: Did you get more psychic?

u: Yes, oh god yes. Little
things, all the time. It got to the point where you just didn't want to
deal with it anymore. Like answering someone way before they ask you...it
scares people. When this happens thirty times or more, they realize that it's
not just a coincidence.

b: Do you think that your experience is
typical of what others might experience?

u: No, I don't think my experience is
typical of what anyone else experienced who did any meaningful amount of it.
I'll tell you right now, I'm the only one who did what I did. All of these
sages that came out of the woodwork: after about 15 or 20 days, couldn't even
make their fast. They started cutting corners and then said: 'Well it didn't
happen to me'.

b: Had you had previous kundalini experiences?

u: Yes, I had on several occasions in my
life.

b: Were you on the verge of having these
experiences on your own volition?

u: Well, its like this: I knew what to
expect. When it started to occur, it didn't frighten me. It's like waking up in
an Astral dream, the first few times you frighten
yourself into waking. After that you finally say 'Wait a minute, don't do a
thing, I think we have finally hit the trigger', and then you float out. That's
something I had worked at for years, and years, and years. I got so far into
it, I finally quit doing it. It got to where I could do it any time I wanted to
within five minutes or so.

b: Out of body experiences?

u: Yeah, I could put myself right there.

b: Well you've been on a spiritual path
since what? Age eight?

u: My whole life has been tied to it. Being
down-to-earth, incredibly well-grounded, reasonable, logical
and not giving up common sense is very important in this work. We're going to
have to call it a prerequisite.

b: What do you think the mechanism is at
play here? Is this a chemical reaction?

u: Well everything in your
body, we could sooner or later get around to saying, is chemical but the
junctions in your nervous system are all made up of these materials. You've
probably seen the paper Superconductive Tunneling and Biological Systems.
When you start overloading everythingwith this
material, your real potential begins to be accessed. Now that's one thing that
happens. The real trick to it deals with the monatomic gold in a perfectly
charged way. We could go on forever on this....

b: We have a lot of ground to cover too.
Has anyone taken monatomic gold?

u: Yes.

b: Who? You?

u: Yes.

b: How long did you take it?

u: Very little. Not for very long.

b: Why did you stop?

u: There's very little of it to go around.

b: You would have taken more?

u: Of course I would have. I'll tell you
right now. Monatomic gold can only be typified as The,
not a, The Precursor.

b: So you'd take as much as you could
get?

u: It's not a matter of how much, it's a
matter of having it prepared properly. It takes very little when it's prepared
properly.

b: What do you think a full course of
the gold for humans is?

u: A full course would be one application.

b: Like 500 mg?

u: No, I doubt it's anywhere close to that.
500 mg, when you throw it out on a table, isn't very much. But we're not
talking volume here. Volume has nothing to do with it. It's also what you bring
to the table that will have a great deal to do with the banquet you enjoy.

b: What role do you play now in all of
this?

u: Well, my role is my own. It's not really
connected to anything. But, it is important to me, personally, to put together
enough coherent information to allow people a little easier access to this body
of knowledge than they have had historically with alchemical information. I
used to be so angry about how the alchemical texts were written because so much
of it is misleading. Some of it is bad. Some of it's
misinformation.

b: On purpose.

u: There was a real good reason for that,
but now it's time for that reason to be over. There's a lot of danger that goes
with this and the danger is not something that takes place with occult
practices. What I'm talking about is, for example: say you were able to convert
lead into gold. The monetary systems around the world are built around this system
and all the powers that be are pretty happy about the arrangement. If you have
a wild card show up, it becomes dangerous for a lot of reasons.

b: We are all aware of the philosophical
claims made for these materials: do you think the claims can be borne out?

u: Absolutely.

b: Will humans truly effect biolocation?

u: Absolutely.

b: You just think about where you want
to go and you're there?

u: Absolutely.

b: And you just take along your physical
body?

u: Absolutely. Absolutely.

b: It's not a purified physical body?
Sort of a less dense version of what we have?

u: Listen, it is physical. It is so physical
you can eat, have sex, bleed.

b: Is this the voice of experience?

u: No. But I'm telling you it's absolutely physical. It's not allegorical. It's not
symbolic. Those are nothing more than Tinkerbell and
Disney.

b: Could we beam our selves to an
inhospitable environment and die?

u: No you can't.

b: It's physical.

u: It's physical here where it's supposed to
be this way.

b: So you become what ever is
appropriate for the place you beam to?

u: Yeah, of course. You'd hate to show up at
the ball in your painting clothes. But from the point of logic you are using
right now, you can only apply that logic to how that might be. When it occurs,
you've already moved yourself to that place. The change takes place at the same
time.

b: But you still have memories of this
third dimensional reality and your previous life. You are still 'you'?

u: It's not just a memory. Which do you
think would be the most amazing miracle: if I brought someone back to life, or
changed water to wine. The truth is: they're both the
same. If you can do one, the other's just as possible.

b: It's just moving atoms around.

u: It's even simpler than that. You're
turning, literally turning, ninety degrees. There's another reality right
around the corner. And when I say right, I mean ninety degrees. It's physically
right around the corner.

b: Isn't it just a change of perspective
or perception?

u: No, there's a whole new deal there that
is beautiful and so totally other that it's nearly impossible to imagine
from here. But you can go both ways. Once you are capable of one, you can do
the other. Like I said, water into wine is no different that turning lead into
gold.

b: Or turning the sky green.

u: That's right, once you learn to cheat
this way you can cheat any way you want.

b: How about the technological claims?
Like the fuel cell application?

u: Oh yeah, that's totally wrapped up.
That's fact, fact, fact.

b: How about the medical claims?

u: Absolutely. All the technological and
biological possibilities are incredibly real possibilities.

b: Do you see any other uses that
haven't been mentioned?

u: Thousands of them. Anything
that concerns itself with catalytics.

b: Are we finally going to get off the
grid? Will we be free?

u: Well we may be, and there will be many,
many, many hundreds and thousands that will. But if you're talking about the
five billion or six billion: most of those are going to perish. But that's OK, it took this many to get us where we are now.

b: So we're talking the 144,000?

u: Well, don't hold me to a figure like
that. There's just a logistical problem that goes along with this. You can't
just hand it out in a crowd, there's a lot more that goes into this. But let me
tell you, the capabilities of discernment that go along with what I'm talking
about are great.

b: So when you're talking about this
stuff do you mean Rhodium, Iridium, Gold? Do you mean all of it?

u: No.

b: You only mean gold.

u: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

b: So what about the rest of the stuff?
Is it only gold that will do the philosophical

u: No, the other will do a lot of things but
I'm talking about something beyond most people's ability to even imagine.

b: You said before the you thought many
people might die from the ingestion of these materials.

u: The emotional shock of it would be enough
to kill most people. Look, even if you took someone 3/4 brain-dead and started
pumping it down them, in a certain amount of time you would probably start to effect them on an emotional level.

b: Do they need to Believe it's going to
work?

u: No, this doesn't require any belief.
These are physical materials, they're not allegorical.

b: What can you do to prepare yourself
in order not to die or suffer any adverse effects?

u: You can not sit in a cloistered room and
prepare yourself for any type of disturbance. Your ability to deal with being
disturbed, having your boat rocked, putting up with the storm, being tough,
being gentle, being loving, being harsh, being all of those things...

b: Being real?

u: Yes, those are the things that prepare
you for this. Thinking everything is love, beautiful and New Age horse shit, isn't going to do it. You're going to get slam-dunked.

b: What types of adverse effects to you
anticipate?

u: It could be as simple as someone with
cancer, who doesn't believe that something so weird could possibly have an
effect on them, taking it at the request of a loved one and finding themselves
miraculously cured. Now that could be a huge emotional shock to someone. If you
really think about it for a minute, people's belief systems act as t h e best prisons in the
world.

b: I was speaking more in terms of
physiology.

u: No, no I don't think so. Your whole body
depends on this just to be able to act like you're alive.

b: Do you think everyone should ingest
monatomics? Who should or should not and why?

u: Everyone does ingest monatomics. They're
present in common everyday foods. I don't think life would go on at all without
them.

b: In concentrated forms.

u: In concentrated forms, I don't think it's
for everyone. I don't think many people, in terms of percentages of the
population are going to be compelled to deal with this in the way someone who
has spent years working on a spiritual path would be.

b: So, only people who are working on a
path ....

u: Well, people who have been drawn to it
from some very deep part of their soul.

b: With the many other
materials purported to be monatomic on the market today and the prospect of
even more in the future, how will we be able to tell what is real and what is
not?

u: 99.9% of all materials out there are
total bullshit. Most people are being sold a bunch of hype. There are some
materials out there with monatomics in them, but generally you can get just as
much from a couple of carrots. You know it makes me feel very bad that this is
being capitalized on by such unscrupulous people.

b: So how can we tell what is real?

u: There are people selling materials that
have mercury and lead in them. They know it, and they're not including it in
the analysis they are putting forth. Through the analyses we've done, I can
assure you that any White Gold products (and there are many out there),
contain no monatomic gold. Some are even contaminated with lead, a fact they
choose not to include in their public analysis. Now, isn't that spiritual?

b: Yeah, this brings out the best and
the worst in people. So there's no way for people to tell if
the material is safe, or real, or what?

u: The only way to tell if a material is
monatomic is through testing. If they are willing to pay for
it. It can be done, but it's going to cost $3,500 to $4,000 to do a
certified analysis. There's only one lab, that I know of that can do it.

b: Can't you put it in aqua regia and if it doesn't dissolve....?

u: Yes, that would be a quick and dirty
test. But all you would know is that it's monatomic. You wouldn't know what it
was: Osmium, Ruthenium.... etc. But you could also have something left there
that's not monatomic, especially if the source wasn't from a pure metal
standard.

b: For what purpose, in your opinion,
should the monatomic gold be used?

u: Most people who are going to take it on
purpose are doing so for the sake of expanded consciousness. The gold has
unique physical properties. There are technological applications but those have
never been applied. This is the edge of the razor here, can you feel it?

b: So what would you do with a pile of
monatomic Ruthenium?

u: Well, quite often those elements are very
desirable in electronics.

b: And Palladium?

u: Well, those could be applied to a lot of
catalytic applications.

b: Osmium?

u: Electronics.

b: Iridium?

u: Any type of surface-wear applications. Plating.Where very durable corrosive
resistance necessities are present.Any catalytic
application. The same is true for Rhodium. Of course the biological
applications for those two are the best known at this point.

b: You said previously: 'You don't have
to be a chemist to make this stuff', what did you mean by that?

u: Any housewife in Dallas could make this material right now in her
own kitchen, if she did her homework.

b: But it still involves chemicals...correct?

u: Yes, it does. Lots of
study, lots of time, lots of diligent observation.

u: No, this is a physical thing. The
observation is important. There's a lot of things that
can happen. You have to build an affinity for it.

b: Does it take twenty years?

u: No, you could do it in a few years
probably. But it's one of those things that if you screw-up part of the way
through it, you have to go back and start over. You can't imagine how
disheartening that is. It really is an exercise in patience, perseverance and
observation. My position on this is if someone is jazzed about it, they should
bring it into their life. What they bring is a rich tradition that is full of
guidance that will come to them when their heart is in the right place.

b: Some people have children, bills to
pay, and Oprah to watch. They don't have time to do it.

u: And that's a choice for them. This isn't
something on the level where people just casually say they have an extra
$100,000 or $500,000....there's no amount of money that can be put on what
we're talking about.

b: There are a lot of people who think
you could.

u: Those are the same people who should
study the Mayan cargo system which still exists today. That is: you don't send
money to put on the parade when it's your turn to carry the flag. You carry the
flag because that's the only thing that countsfor carrying the flag. When people think for a second that they can
spend $500 and get a seat next to the Buddha they're wrong.

b: What do you think the ramifications
of the distribution, and subsequent ingestion, of monatomics will be on: human
evolution, society, technology, finance, consciousness, the planet, the
known/unknown universe?

u: Everything we know will be changed...on
all levels.

b: Could you be more explicit? What do
you think will happen to society?

u: When people start taking it and the
materials start being applied, not just in terms of oral ingestion, the world
will never be the same again.

b: What is your vision of that?

u: Everything from biology to power
production, political structures (decentralization of government), everything
has the potential to be radically changed. So many of the things I just
mentioned are based on structures and paradigms which are centered around control of resources....

b: And perceptions.

u: And perceptions, and all of those can
very easily be displaced by the applications of these materials.

b: What do you think will be the effects
on the known and unknown universe?

u: They're going to trade places. The
expansion will be so great that 'expansion' is what is.

b: The process is what it's all about.

u: Yeah, it's not a matter of getting to a
point where we've made this achievement... we've become aware because of the
speed of this achievement that it's an expansive, never-ending process.

b: Some of us, who are 'present,' are
aware of this.

u: Some are. It's balance through movement.
Like movement you have in the European Tarot deck's two of discs. It's like the
movement of a bicycle, the movement forward is what
allows for the balance. The stability is there through the movement. Where most people cling to an idea of stability with no movement.

b: Many people I come into contact with,
think of it as a destination.

u: There is a lot of belief that this is
'the end.'

b: Do you see only a few people taking
it at first?

u: Only a few.

b: Do you foresee a time when it will be
available in vending machines?

u: No, I don't. If you study how our planet
was peopled, creating the beings we are now, you'll find that political
structures have always made this an elitist phenomenon.

b: What kind of time frame are we
looking at?

u: This is total conjecture on my part,
but...a lot of this will remain in research for the next five years or so.
After that, there may be efforts for it to trickle out in some way. There are
other people, I personally know, who are so far down the road in applications
and technologies (not necessarily in terms of production capabilities)...but
you throw money at that one and the problem goes away very quickly. There are
many people working on this same project, as there have been in the past. There
are several ways of making this material.

b: You've said that there are different
forms of monatomic gold? Do you mean different spin states?

u: It's not a matter of a higher spin state.
It's a matter of once it is in the high-spin state, it being properly charged.
That involves very subtle operations. Very subtle.
We're talking beauty again, that's how subtle.

b: Beauty in the true sense of the word.

u: There is a difference in these
materials. They are all individual, unique materials. They have their own
qualities. That's why they have different names. To lump them all together
under one heading as monatomic gold is just not accurate. These are different
materials.

b: You are making a distinction between
isolated monatomics and more highly charged monatomics?

u: Yes, yes I am. This aspect has not been
addressed as far as I know.

b: So what is the correct term to use in
referring to these higher-charged materials?

u: I call it the Philosopher's Stone.
You could call it the Manna. There's a lot of things you could call it.

b: But there's as much difference as
night and day...ingesting this over the other.

u: That's an understatement.

b: Are you aware of other materials
which carry the same attributes and implications?

u: No, this is it...the real thing...the
only thing.

b: This meaning higher-charged
monatomics?

u: You have to understand: the isolated
materials are The Precursors. They were very difficult precursors to
ever come up with. Very difficult. But it's the
battery that you have to charge. It has to be charged to be able to turn over
the governors that are present in our genetic code. Those were programmed in.

b: What practical advice do you have for
those of us who know about these materials, and the potential they hold, but
are living outside of ground-zero?

u: Do your own homework. Don't Let Anyone
Impose Their Truth On You. Let them present the various facts and make
your own decision. Keep searching for answers...your own answers. That seems a little patronizing in general, but realize that
it takes work...physical work. This is not something you read into existence.
You read enough to know that you have to do something physical. If all you do
is read the book In Pursuit of Gold there's enough information there (if
you apply yourself) to go very, very far. For someone who's doing nothing, that
is a huge step forward.

b: Do you have any specific advice for
members of the Science of the Spirit Foundation (SOSF)?

u: This material is real, but if someone
expects to eat it and suddenly fly through the chimney: they're in for a real
surprise. But the material, in terms of medical performance, is real. It will
perform as expected and then some.

b: And the technological part? Some
people are expecting to make some money on their investment.

u: They very well may. But there are so many
other uses for this material...

b: If you had it all to do over again,
what would you do differently?

u: Absolutely nothing. u:
You have to understand: the isolated materials are The Precursors. They
were very difficult precursors to ever come up with. Very
difficult. But it's the battery that you have to charge. It has to be
charged to be able to turn over the governors that are present in our genetic
code. Those were programmed in.

u: Do your own homework. Don't Let Anyone
Impose Their Truth On You. Let them present the various facts and make
your own decision. Keep searching for answers...your own answers. That seems a little patronizing in general, but realize that
it takes work...physical work. This is not something you read into existence.
You read enough to know that you have to do something physical. If all you do
is read the book In Pursuit of Gold there's enough information there (if
you apply yourself) to go very, very far. For someone who's doing nothing, that
is a huge step forward.

u: This material is real, but if someone
expects to eat it and suddenly fly through the chimney: they're in for a real
surprise. But the material, in terms of medical performance, is real. It will
perform as expected and then some.

u: They very well may. But there are so many
other uses for this material...