Maybe ten or more years ago I had recently watched a bad TV program about Halton Arp's hyptohesis when I had the opportunity to ask the Norwegian astrophysicist Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard about just that and his reply was clear although I don't today remember his dismissive reply, only his opinion that programs like that did not deserve airtime.

37MapouJanuary 2, 2014 at 8:16 pmIn my opinion, nobody can explain the anomalous redshifts because an essential piece of the puzzle is missing. What is lacking is a fundamental understanding of motion. Unless and until we can explain the cause of motion, i.e., why a body in inertial motion remains in motion, we will never understand why light loses energy over great distances. In this case, we need to explain why photons move and why they move at C. Of course, as in everything else having to do with energy and motion, the redshift is the result of nature correcting a violation of the energy conservation principle.

In my view, based on my private understanding of motion, the brighter or the more energetic the source of the light, the more pronounced will the redshift be. That being said, distance is the primary factor.

37MapouJanuary 2, 2014 at 8:16 pmIn my opinion, nobody can explain the anomalous redshifts because an essential piece of the puzzle is missing. What is lacking is a fundamental understanding of motion. Unless and until we can explain the cause of motion, i.e., why a body in inertial motion remains in motion, we will never understand why light loses energy over great distances. In this case, we need to explain why photons move and why they move at C. Of course, as in everything else having to do with energy and motion, the redshift is the result of nature correcting a violation of the energy conservation principle.

In my view, based on my private understanding of motion, the brighter or the more energetic the source of the light, the more pronounced will the redshift be. That being said, distance is the primary factor.

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All science so far!

--------------Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"... Â The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Speculation - "Knut" = Some word that Dave Scott might use to refer to Ms. O'Dreary?

Her brain is in Knutral?

--------------...after reviewing the arguments, Iâ€™m inclined to believe that the critics of ENCODEâ€™s bold claim were mostly right, and that the proportion of our genome which is functional is probably between 10 and 20%. --Vincent Torley, uncommondescent.com 1/1/2016

Speculation - "Knut" = Some word that Dave Scott might use to refer to Ms. O'Dreary?

Her brain is in Knutral?

Ahem... You have to think more like DaveScott - (I can't believe I just typed that !) - and read "Knut" like you were more dyslexic...

Think like DaveScott? But I don't suffer from texlexia.

--------------...after reviewing the arguments, Iâ€™m inclined to believe that the critics of ENCODEâ€™s bold claim were mostly right, and that the proportion of our genome which is functional is probably between 10 and 20%. --Vincent Torley, uncommondescent.com 1/1/2016

Dembski is off all radar. He doesn't even show up in the search box at South Carolina bible college or whatever. The last post on the Design Inference is a year old.

Meyer's book went up like a firework and came down with the stick.

Most of the static websites are moribund. UD has banned virtually all dissenters. The few brave enough to wander over to TSZ bail out after a couple of rounds. The biologic institute inflates its "selected publications" with publications that have nothing to do with the biologic institute and seems to be doing no more than pretending to produce output.

Bio-Complexity is moribund.

Behe doesn't seem to have much to say.

The big guys won't come out to debate. The small ones mostly won't leave heavily censored sites. Even the UD newsdesk peddles 6 year old stories as "news".

Dembski is off all radar. He doesn't even show up in the search box at South Carolina bible college or whatever. The last post on the Design Inference is a year old.

Meyer's book went up like a firework and came down with the stick.

Most of the static websites are moribund. UD has banned virtually all dissenters. The few brave enough to wander over to TSZ bail out after a couple of rounds. The biologic institute inflates its "selected publications" with publications that have nothing to do with the biologic institute and seems to be doing no more than pretending to produce output.

Bio-Complexity is moribund.

Behe doesn't seem to have much to say.

The big guys won't come out to debate. The small ones mostly won't leave heavily censored sites. Even the UD newsdesk peddles 6 year old stories as "news".

And all the threads are about religion. Or tossing coins.

I don't know why I hadn't seen it before.

It's dead.

Yeah, it's back to open creationism now. That is still alive and trying to sneak into schools, especially in the form of individual teachers.

--------------"Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr

"I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

The creation scientists dabbled in that, too, but it always comes down to "2000 years ago a man died on a cross. Won't anyone stand up for him?" arguments. Lenny Flank pointed out years ago that they just can't help talking about their god eventually. Once it was clear that judges weren't going to buy it, there really wasn't any point keeping up the pretense.

--------------"Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr

"I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Dembski is off all radar. He doesn't even show up in the search box at South Carolina bible college or whatever. The last post on the Design Inference is a year old.

Meyer's book went up like a firework and came down with the stick.

Most of the static websites are moribund. UD has banned virtually all dissenters. The few brave enough to wander over to TSZ bail out after a couple of rounds. The biologic institute inflates its "selected publications" with publications that have nothing to do with the biologic institute and seems to be doing no more than pretending to produce output.

Bio-Complexity is moribund.

Behe doesn't seem to have much to say.

The big guys won't come out to debate. The small ones mostly won't leave heavily censored sites. Even the UD newsdesk peddles 6 year old stories as "news".

And all the threads are about religion. Or tossing coins.

I don't know why I hadn't seen it before.

It's dead.

Unfortunately, vampires & zombies are all the rage these days - so I want to see the stake through ID's ugly little heart, and even smaller brain before I count them totally dead. :)

added in edit: I wonder if this means GEM of ICKY will be turning me into Homeland Security for threatening ID? Or is that privilege reserved only for Dr. Dr. Dembski?

Edited by J-Dog on Jan. 05 2014,20:03

--------------Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

Dembski is off all radar. He doesn't even show up in the search box at South Carolina bible college or whatever. The last post on the Design Inference is a year old.

Meyer's book went up like a firework and came down with the stick.

Most of the static websites are moribund. UD has banned virtually all dissenters. The few brave enough to wander over to TSZ bail out after a couple of rounds. The biologic institute inflates its "selected publications" with publications that have nothing to do with the biologic institute and seems to be doing no more than pretending to produce output.

Bio-Complexity is moribund.

Behe doesn't seem to have much to say.

The big guys won't come out to debate. The small ones mostly won't leave heavily censored sites. Even the UD newsdesk peddles 6 year old stories as "news".

And all the threads are about religion. Or tossing coins.

I don't know why I hadn't seen it before.

It's dead.

Telic Thoughts is over, the fake ID journal PCID was abandoned right after Kitzmiller.

The ID people are behaving exactly as they would if ID was nothing but a scam that failed in Dec 2005. Because that's all it was.