I've never used one and never touched one. I have never claimed that I did. I've read enough about it and seen it in action on video.

As for the multitouch, two touch does not equal multi touch.

I had read that the Kindle Fire only features two touch display, and if that is incorrect, then I am more than happy to be corrected on that point. And if it is true that it is only two touch, then it is deceptive to call it multi touch, IMO.

I've never used one and never touched one. I have never claimed that I did. I've read enough about it and seen it in action on video.

As for the multitouch, two touch does not equal multi touch.

I had read that the Kindle Fire only features two touch display, and if that is incorrect, then I am more than happy to be corrected on that point. And if it is true that it is only two touch, then it is deceptive to call it multi touch, IMO.

Sorry, but dual touch is not multitouch. The iPad is multitouch and Amazon calling their mini tablet multitouch is deceptive advertising, as ignorant people will be fooled and thinking that they're actually getting multitouch like the iPad, when in fact, it is a pathetic dual touch.

Most posters likely don't even own an iPad. Drives me crazy sometimes how apple is the best (which they are), and all others suck- and I mean suck bad.

I actually feel a little like DaHarder- I own an iPad 2 I got off Craigslist used for a great price (32gb 1.5 months old wifi only for $440)- and I still feel some regret. I use my iMac for almost everything because I do so much heavier work, and here I am on my couch typing on my iPhone instead of using my iPad. Mainly because I hate typing on the thing. Movie watching I love it for- and traveling its second to none. But a kindle fire might be just as good for my application.

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LOL... Not really, and whether you've "never had that issue with any glass-based display on any Apple product" lies in direct contrast to the FACT that the pic I posted is of my iPad2 exhibiting 'LCD Pooling' without pressing to an abusive level.

Anyway... Nice to see such a high quality, high value device as the Kindle Fire doing so well.

My iPad 2 pools when I push on it moderately too. No question.
My phone doesn't regardless of how hard I push. The bigger the screen, the more the flex... Simple physics. (the MBP glass is much thicker btw- so it doesn't count).

Misleading title. Amazon hasn't taken anything yet, as the numbers are EXPECTED as in MAYBE they will happen, maybe not.

And don't get me started on the shipped versus sold numbers.....

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Amazon, like Apple, sells directly to the consumer and operates an incredible lean operation. Therefore, shipped = sold for all intents and purposes.

The confusion only applies with a company like Samsung who is an OEM; they don't sell to the end user, rather they "sell" to their channels, i.e. retailers. Therefore, preliminary shipped numbers don't necessarily correlate with true sell-through. Over time, as a product matures, the shipped and sold numbers start to equalize.

I'm surprised that somebody who actually owns a Kindle Fire never even noticed that it wasn't true multitouch. I guess that's the kind of consumer that buys the Kindle Fire.

I'm sure someone wanting to correct you would say that multi- can be defined simply as more than one, as opposed to many, but with this technology type and this being a forum for talking about electronics using a layman's definition of multi-touch panels isn't going to cut it.

Of course Amazon will say it's multi-touch because it sounds better and it's standard marketing practice to push acceptable envelopes in truthiness, but that doesn't carry over to the dual-core processor. Just imagine what would happen if Apple started calling their dual-core systems multi-core. I bet DaHarder and Galbi would be the first to throw a digital temper tantrum.

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I'm sure someone wanting to correct you would say that multi- can be defined simply as more than one, as opposed to many, but with this technology type and this being a forum for talking about electronics using a layman's definition of multi-touch panels isn't going to cut it.

Of course Amazon will say it's multi-touch because it sounds better and it's standard marketing practice to push acceptable envelopes in truthiness, but that doesn't carry over to the dual-core processor. Just imagine what would happen if Apple started calling their dual-core systems multi-core. I bet DaHarder and Galbi would be the first to throw a digital temper tantrum.

Good point. If dual core processors were advertised as multi-core, it would be funny to see the reactions.

Good point. If dual core processors were advertised as multi-core, it would be funny to see the reactions.

I think it ultimately comes down to how w define technology. When possible components tend to use the more exacting term. I can't think of any other computer component that has been called multi wen it could be better described as dual.

That said, I am not sure it's a limitation of the HW, but possibly a limitation of drivers or he OS they have forked. Could adding 3 or more touch inputs have reduced the poor battery life even further or made the system less responsive than it is?

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Gunshots are now electronics?¡ So my iPhone is multi-core CPU with multi-channel RAM. Awesome¡

If Apple said that about anything dual- you and your ilk would be all over it but Amazon refers to dual-capacity electronics as multi and it's not only perfectly acceptable it's also the most technically correct and natural way to refer to electronics despite your inability to supply any relevant examples.

The bottom line is Amazon doesn't want to be ill-compared to the competition so they are stretching the truth so they are linguistically correct but not technically the most accurate. Kudos to them for getting you to fall for it.

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Gunshots are now electronics?¡ So my iPhone is multi-core CPU with multi-channel RAM. Awesome¡

If Apple said that about anything dual- you and your ilk would be all over it but Amazon refers to dual-capacity electronics as multi and it's not only perfectly acceptable it's also the most technically correct and natural way to refer to electronics despite your inability to supply any relevant examples.

The bottom line is Amazon doesn't want to be ill-compared to the competition so they are stretching the truth so they are linguistically correct but not technically the most accurate. Kudos to them for getting you to fall for it.

Some people say dual some people say multiple. Multiple hard drives- easily could be two. "I use multiple screens". Maybe he's talking about two screens. Do I have to use technology to make a point about a word?

Me and my ilk? I wouldn't care. I don't get caught up in marketing. It's ridiculous that people make a fuss one way or the other. I know we're on a computer/technology forum... But man- arguing about this is even too nerdy for here! Marketing. It's by definition multi touch. By your and Apple ]['s definition its Dual touch. Seriously- you couldn't pick a different guy to side with... Yikes.

Wow, looks like somebody other than Google finally figured out how to make real money off Android

>Investors are concerned about Amazon's profit margins as it sells millions of Kindle tablets and e-readers at a loss, says Colin Sebastian, an analyst with Robert W. Baird & Co. Amazon hopes to make back its investment in follow-on sales of digital media, such as e-books, music and video.
But Wall Street sees Q4 profit falling 78% vs. a year earlier after a disappointing 73% dive in Q3.

It's Wikipedia- it mentions 2 or more points = multitouch. But this guy cant be wrong- he's the smartest person ever. Just ask him.

If that's what it takes to make you feel better... So Be It.

Anyway... In this case, the evidence presented is quite clear: the Kindle Fire's display is multi-touch, and any attempts to twist the definition of the technology to fit one's own brand-biased agenda are moot.

Yep, they're the same thing. There's no reason at all for anybody to be pointing out the vast difference between the two.

It's like when they argue that Samsung's PenTile displays should be count their sub-pixels by line pairs and not the more technically and visually accurate counting of red, blue and green sub-pixels groupings. You end with carriers telling people that such and such phone has about as much or even more pixels than the iPhone yet the customer discovers that the iPhone looks worlds better. Luckily for the throng of unsuspecting buyers being had by duplicitous marketing techniques PenTile won't likely be the most commonly used AMOLED display type comes next year, at least not by high-end Android-based devices.

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Anyway... In this case, the evidence presented is quite clear: the Kindle Fire's display is multi-touch, and any attempts to twist the definition of the technology to fit one's own brand-biased agenda are moot.

I was agreeing with you dude.

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iPad = 11 point Multitouch
Fire = 2 point dual touch

Yet, Amazon calls theirs for Multitouch.

Yep, they're the same thing. There's no reason at all for anybody to be pointing out the vast difference between the two.

Again- refer to post #73- put your head in the sand like an ostrich. Because YOU don't think it should be called multi-touch doesn't mean it isn't called multi-touch.

Here's some more education for you:
A V8 that has 300hp and a V8 that has 500hp are both V8s. You want to compare them, fine. But don't give the 300hp V8 a different name because it isn't as complex or advanced as the other.

I swear- people on this forum just post whatever response they are thinking and don't actually read what they are responding too. It's like being in an argument and thinking about what you are going to say to the person you're arguing with instead of actually listening to them and processing what they say and then speaking.
I hope y'all aren't like this in real life- because if you are, you're either socially retarded or giant a-holes. You pick.