Usually a series of punches that, @ the very least, causes the opponent's attention to focus on the punches as he back-steps. As you advance w/ your hand attack, you slip the sweep in preventing the lead leg to touch down thus making the opponent fall backwards.

Now I'll be the first to admit that sweeps are my weak point but I saw a few Austrians do it w/ impressive results.

Quote:You're right...but why was the guy kicking me? And yes, in practice one can roll the ankle. I have had it done to me...and have done it to others (mucho apologies).

Heh. Sorry, I did not make myself clear there at all. I was not questioning the the morality of the technique at all. Anyone that attacks someone unprovoked gets what they deserve. I was merely pointing put that the cutting kick has a good chance of breaking someone's ankle, so people didn't confuse this with a sweep.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Actually, I set it up exactly the same way I would set up any normal side kick - which is basically what the buckle is, just very low.

And in the same way that I would try to wait for the opponent's weight to shift to one leg or the other before launching the sidekick (for maximum unbalancing), I wait for the opponent to set weight on the leg nearest to the one I will use for the buckle.

I mostly use a rear crossing step to launch the buckle. If I am going to use my right leg, I will quickly step behind it with my left leg, then shoot it (right leg) out forcefully into the opponent's leg as he steps down.

You do not have your back to the opponent as you set it up, only in the transition and the impact. Hope that made sense.

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Quote:The point is less to do damage and more to unbalance, using the natural weakness of the stance an attacker might be in.... Once done correctly, the opponent would fall, but even done slightly incorrectly, the opponent's back is exposed and thus allows you time to counter.

Quite, but don't sell your technique short. One of the neat things of the cutting kick and it's variants is that if the kick fails to drop, unblance or even stagger the opponent, it can still hurt like hell!!! Big plus over the sweep, in my book.

MattJ:

Quote:And that sounds fairly nice and polite. But that carrying action can make the attacker's foot roll onto it's side as he lands. Remember that his whole body weight is now coming down on that same 45 degree axis.....*SNAP* goes the ankle.

High grip soled shoes or uneven terrain can make that a very painful, debilitating landing for the opponent.

True, but... Brad already dealt with the issue of an actual attacker. Even in a training scenario, though, anyone not willing to accept the risk of injury has no business in a dojo! If you play tennis, the least of your risks is tennis elbow. If you ski, you risk doing a Sonny Bono. If you do Karate... *SNAP* is a real possibility. Then again, training saves you from a lot of injuries: I once caught a friend, right before he landed, with a sweep. This was after he tried to nail with with a jumping/spinning back kick. So both his feet were in the air and for once my timing was spot on. He pivoted in midair almost until he was parallel to the ground, then crashed down. I thought I saw him smack his unprotected face against the floor, and bent down to try and help... And came close to getting kicked in the face for my trouble! The fight just went on from there (Besides, he deserved to land smack on his face from trying such a dumb move, don't you think? ).

Ed_Morris:

Quote:Full body scissor sweep and leg scissor sweep - everyone is familiar with the leg scissor takedown and the risk involved in pulling it off (since it puts yoursef on the ground before your opponent.)

I used to do this one, after one of the BBs in my old dojo had perfected it and inflicted it upon a number of us with devastating effect. You don't have to get it perfect, even if your feet and legs come close to where they need to be, the opponent is going down... HARD. But if you get it wrong not only are you vulnerable, you can wind up hurting yourself. A friend of mine who, among many other things, was for many years a succesful Judo competitor had the scissors throw as his mainstay, until it was banned from competition because of the many injuries. I haven't used it in years, and don't think I ever will. When I was younger, it was a cool move. Nowadays, it strikes me that there's a deficit in the "benefit" column when you think about Cost/Benefit.

Hedkikr:

Quote:When I was in Austria, I learned a type of sweep that could be considered a cross between a cutting kick & a traditional sweep. In fact, it was closer to the cutting kick than a sweep. The primary difference was that it was used on the attack as the opponent retreated.

The warning was that the "sweep" couldn't be too high on the leg (upper calf, knee or thigh) because that would constitute an illegal (competition) kick. The point of contact was behind the ankle/Achilles tendon area. It also had to utilize the instep & not any part of the shin... Usually a series of punches that, @ the very least, causes the opponent's attention to focus on the punches as he back-steps. As you advance w/ your hand attack, you slip the sweep in preventing the lead leg to touch down thus making the opponent fall backwards.

Now I'll be the first to admit that sweeps are my weak point but I saw a few Austrians do it w/ impressive results.

It must be a European thing, because I saw a couple of fellows from the former Yugoslavia that would do a "one-two" punch combo followed by a cutting kick from the rear leg. Much more often than not they'd at least stagger the opponent. Another useful technique I managed to steal from someone better than me!

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I totally agree with your post. My response that you quoted was really badly written, I was not commenting on the morality of the move at all. It was meant to be an ironic comment in reference to Brad's comment about the kick "inflicting less damage". Unfortunately, it did not come across that way at all.

Again, apologies for the confusion.

_________________________"In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin

I totally agree with your post. My response that you quoted was really badly written, I was not commenting on the morality of the move at all. It was meant to be an ironic comment in reference to Brad's comment about the kick "inflicting less damage". Unfortunately, it did not come across that way at all.

Again, apologies for the confusion.

Oh, hey guy, apology totally unnecessary! I plead guilty in not having caught the ironic content, and therefore took it literally. In fact, from a sport Karate viewpoint, it has validity. I just thought to put in my 2 centavos worth, 'cause I found the thread interesting. But I side with Brad on the issue of contact and it's value in training.

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I could be wrong, but your "cutting kick" sounds very much like a judo sweep?

When I was learning Tang Soo Do we did soe judo sweeps for self defense purposes. From what I understand, we sweep right before the attacker places his lead leg foot on the ground to catch him off balance correct? Many times you can grab an arm, shoulder or hair to add to the technique. However, I could be wrong.