ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP

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<ogra>

should be at the bottom of the wikipage

06:48

etch had no proper sournd support, either take the backported packages or ubuntu since edgy

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<jane1>

ogra, I want to use etch for LTSP, with sound support, but as you told there is no proper sound support, but what about backported packgagees

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<jane1>

ogra, I can't get it , could you please clarify it,

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<masus>

hi all, can anybody help to configure a keyboard layout..

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for ltsp clients

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or lang_map

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<masus>

hi all, can anybody help to configure a keyboard layout..

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<ogra>

masus, you set that in lts.conf

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<ogra>

masus, depending on the release you use thats in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf (older releases) or /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf (latest release)

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<masus>

ltsp5

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<ogra>

up to feisty the first one applies, since gutsy the latter one

08:02

not sure if its in debian already

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<masus>

hmm

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:)

08:02

u remember me

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<ogra>

(likely not since they are stuck with nfs, which we dropped)

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<masus>

ok but what to add to the lts.conf

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XKBMODEL = tr ,

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does not work

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<ogra>

tr is not a model

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pc105 would be a model

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tr is a layout

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<masus>

ok howto add a layout

08:04

i have misstyped :D

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<ogra>

XKBLAYOUT="tr"

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<masus>

oh :)

08:07

after change lts.conf, have i to update something

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<ogra>

reboot the client

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<masus>

:)

08:08

ok

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<jammcq>

g'morning

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<Blinny>

Morning!

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<cyberorg>

moin

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<ogra>

moin

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<masus>

moin :|

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<toresbe>

hey folks, I have a question. I'm not using LTSP, but I don't see any better place to ask...

08:24

I've got a problem when booting a debian etch stock kernel using nfs from a Ubuntu Gutsy system.

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<exodos>

toresbe: go on...

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<ogra>

toresbe, thats unlikely to work

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the mounted root uses /lib/modules of the nfs ... which is out of sync with the running debian kernel

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<exodos>

but you can copy lib/modules/<debian-kernel-version> from debian to ubuntu nfsroot dir

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and run depmod -a

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<ogra>

well, netx thing is that udev will break

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debian simply isnt ubuntu :)

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its not interchangeable

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especially not for single packages

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(after udev you wil get probs with upstart very likely)

08:31

just use the ubuntu ernel to boot the ubuntu chroot

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*kernel

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<prpplague>

jammcq: greetings

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<toresbe>

sorry, I got an IRQ here

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I've debootstrapped a file tree from which I've taken the kernel, thus the kernel and /lib/modules are in sync

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everything is OK up until the NFS mounting

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/srv/linroot slave01(rw,no_root_squash)

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<ogra>

how does your root-path directive look like ?

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<toresbe>

http://gunkies.org/stuff/nfs-problem.png

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option root-path "/srv/linroot";

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my problem is that I'm getting the RPC error 2 thing

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<ogra>

the server side is debian ?

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<ogra>

check if portmap is running and if its not configured to listen to localhost only

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(in /etc/default/

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)

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<toresbe>

hmm

08:46

portmap certainly is running

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ogra: no, that's ubuntu

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ubuntu listens on all if's by default

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<ogra>

yep, i know

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i patched that

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<toresbe>

:D

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<ogra>

debian doesnt though

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<toresbe>

nope

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<Guaraldo>

jammcq: Morning, Jim!!!

08:49

jammcq: I've got the first LTSP 4.2 with Xorg 7.1.1 working...

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:-D

08:51

* ogra wonders why

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<jammcq>

because he can

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<Guaraldo>

ogra: That's a long, long history...

08:52

<ogra>

heh

08:52

well, i'd just see that ltsp5 gets into your $FAV_DISTRO

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instead of scattering development over old versions

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<jammcq>

he's got a specific need for a specific client

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<Q-FUNK>

ogra: a surprising amount of people run thin clients over deprecated LTSP deployments or using deprecated distro releases.

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<jammcq>

overall, it's better to do the $FAV_DISTRO thing, but obviously, that requires cooperation FROM the $FAV_DISTRO, which isn't always possible|easy

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<ogra>

yeah

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<toresbe>

ogra: anyway, I've ascertained that portmap is listening, and that nfsd and mountd registers against it. Any other known issues?

08:54

<ogra>

Q-FUNK, indeed, i wasnt talking about usage but development

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<jammcq>

$FAV_DISTRO isn't always the best choice, when looking at specific cases. it's just GENERALLY the best choice

08:54

<Guaraldo>

ogra: Sure... But ower LTSP4.2 in this client has many alterations... We made an LTSP server with dual boot on clients (GNU/Linux and Windows. The user can choose)...

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<ogra>

but if its a special project ,...

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<Q-FUNK>

for instance, I've got two customers currently askign whether they can run a ThinCan over some old obscure RH release.

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<ogra>

Guaraldo, yeah, understood

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vagrant wanted to put such a menu into ltsp5 btw

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not sure he ever started to code that (trivial task with ltsp5 though)

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<Guaraldo>

ogra: Well... maybe I can help him...

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<ogra>

yeah

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it wont be more than 20 lines of code or so

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doable in a day :)

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<Guaraldo>

ogra: Yep... maybe some lines more than 20... but not so BIG...

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<ogra>

we have a wikipage assembling such a thing anywhere

08:57

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot

08:57

there it is

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<Guaraldo>

ogra: Just need a menu that runs on client and writes a temp file with the option...

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<ogra>

its immature, but should work

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<Blinny>

It's non-trivial to do upgrades to most distros when things are scattered all over the filesystem and various partitions. That's why I'm using deprecated LTSP. Plus, it works.

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<ogra>

??

09:00

<Blinny>

Many companies (mine included) can't spring for separate machines to do separate tasks. Thus, a major LTSP/distro upgrade also affects databases, email, etc.

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<evarlast>

I just did the first MPI test run on my rebuilt using ltsp cluster. This computational cluster is now WAY more maintainable

09:00

thanks ltsp

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<Blinny>

I'm a little late getting into the convo. My apologies.

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<ogra>

Blinny, file locations havent changed for 2 years in ltsp5

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<Guaraldo>

ower solution is very simpler... After all conventional boot of LTSP 4.2, a menu is opened and user choose which sistem. So the client starts XDMCP system or RDesktop...

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<Blinny>

Didn't I just see a move from /opt/ltsp to /var/lib/ltsp ?

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<ogra>

Guaraldo, ah, thats a mater of a screen script then

09:01

i thought you have a menu for local boots

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<evarlast>

Blinny: only 1 machine? sounds like you need vmware, or at least vserver kernel

Blinny, thats an additional part so users dont need to rebuild the image for every change in lts.conf, the old path didnt change its just more work to use it

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<Guaraldo>

No, ogra... all clients are diskless system... More than 1000... All them boot this dual screen script system...

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<sbalneav>

Morning all

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<Guaraldo>

Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

09:03

<ogra>

Blinny, lts.conf from tftp will override the one in the chroot, but if you dont have it in the tftp dir the chroot one will be used

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<evarlast>

Blinny: total bummer. ram is cheap :(

09:03

<Blinny>

ogra: Ah.

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<ogra>

Guaraldo, i wonder how hard it would be to get your script into our ustream code

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Blinny, we always kept beackwards compatoibility in lts.conf as much as we could

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<Blinny>

ogra: I see your point re: file locations. LTSP isn't the only package on the machine though. Sometimes packages change locations. (the Fedora change from /usr/local/ to just /usr)

09:04

ogra: Right-O.

09:04

ogra: Hopefully the LTSP part of my eventual upgrade will be easy, then.

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<ogra>

Blinny, the only massive difference wrt files is that since two years we dont use the evil nonstandard /tftpboot

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<Guaraldo>

ogra: It means many alterations... I'm still trying to understand all the system... To much hacking...

09:05

<Blinny>

Yeh I never liked that.

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<ogra>

the old location ?

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<Guaraldo>

ogra: But very, very simple...

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<Blinny>

Yeah. The one I'm using :P

09:05

<toresbe>

ogra: ...anything? :)

09:06

<ogra>

toresbe, not atm, sorry

09:06

* Guaraldo thinks that the simpliest solutions are the best!

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<toresbe>

ok, thanks for the tip...

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<ogra>

and actually i should prepare to leave now ... i'm flying to cyprus in 2h

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<toresbe>

oh, nice!

09:06

<Blinny>

Fun

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<ogra>

not really

09:06

just work ... and i only stay for the one day i ave to hold my talk

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* ogra usually doesnt see anything of the many countries he travels to

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<toresbe>

this is steadfastly refusing to work. Very frustrating.

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<muh2000>

how can i install an i386 package on a x86_64 debian installation? it creates only /opt/ltsp-4.2/amd64/ ltsp-build-client --dist i386: E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/i386

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<lns>

Can anyone tell me where the default alsa configuration file is kept for all LTSP clients? I'm having a huge issue with 35 thin clients not defaulting to the headphone-jack sense being turned on. I can use alsamixer to turn it on, but it's temp. until you reboot. i need to make this the default.

Guaraldo, thanks...yeah, it's a pretty big thing when 35 students are all using their speakers at the same time and plugging in headphones doesn't do squat ;)

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<Guaraldo>

lns: I have more than 1000 thinclients using sound...

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<lns>

Guaraldo, woo! =)

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<galvarezt>

hi, i have some TC that came with an usb keyboard with a little touch panel (mouse), but i only get vertical motion in the mouse... can you help me please..

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<vagrantc>

lns: write a script and put it in lts.conf using RCFILE_00 ....

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lns: you can probably do it with amixer

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<lns>

vagrantc, can you elaborate/send a url on RCFILE_00?

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<vagrantc>

lns: it's just a pointer to a script that gets run when the client boots

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soooo....

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RCFILE_00=/etc/my-custom-script-thingy

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<lns>

vagrantc, thank you. =)

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<vagrantc>

and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/my-custom-script-thingy is a script that sets the volume

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i suggest using amixer

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<lns>

i'm MANning amixer...i'll have to see a set of controls from the thin clients to find out which option will set headphone-jack sense on i guess

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<vagrantc>

i was actually experiencing the same problem with some thin clients here at freegeek

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but i didn't even think to look at how to fix it :)

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gotta go...

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<dmorar>

hi, i have one of this keyboards with mouse included, and the right-click button is set up as a key, i can get the keycode, but i dont know how to set it up to work as a mouse button, this is for my thin clients

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<dmorar>

hi, im trying to run xmodmap when a user logs in... how can i do this?.. i've tried inside xinitrc with no success