AND for those of you that think that Mike and Danny Smith are happy with AND actually WANT Forbath to not make really deep kickoffs ...

let me point out that after we scored the FG and the kickoff went out of bounds - the ravens then started on the 40 and we were constantly trying to get away from our goal line - that is BS - that almost cost us this game

give me a break - "I think that Mike and Danny feel that our coverage is really good and we can do better if kickoffs do not go too deep ... "

I love the fact that Forbath is making FGs but there is NO WAY that Danny and Mike want the kickoffs to not be deep enough that we can cover them - NO WAY - hitting line drive kickoffs is like ensuring that the opposition has decent field position

Danny Smith is most certainly gone this off season ...

AND

Something WILL be done about the kickoffs

P A T I E N C E - Scot & Jay's goal here is to make this franchise better - it will take time they understand the need to change to primarily building through the draft - plus have some luck go their way

Like what? Either Kai has to improve or they bring in another kicker..... I don't see MS keeping 2 kickers active. And I don't see them getting rid of the NFLs most accurate FG kicker.

If Kai can improve great, but I'm nots sure he will. And he's too good to cut.

I think you're missing the point - I TOTALLY agree that Forbath is staying

I just don't agree with the idea (as posted) that Forbath is being told to NOT kick the ball deep on kickoffs - that is BS

we were in terrible field position for a long while because of that kickoff after the FG - Mike will find a way to ensure better field position from kickoffs

let me make this point - the offense is going to get better and will be kicking off a lot .. OK?

we are going to make sure the kickoffs are either VERY high OR they are VERY deep - just like everybody else

NEXT SEASON - we are NOT kicking line drives as someone here said we wanted to do - that is STUPID

Kai will do it or someone else will - we are not going to be giving the ball to the opposition in great field position every time we kickoff

P A T I E N C E - Scot & Jay's goal here is to make this franchise better - it will take time they understand the need to change to primarily building through the draft - plus have some luck go their way

SkinsJock wrote:let me point out that after we scored the FG and the kickoff went out of bounds - the ravens then started on the 40 and we were constantly trying to get away from our goal line - that is BS - that almost cost us this game

LOL. I can't believe we have a kicker who hasn't missed since he got here, and you're still complaining about his kickoffs.

And I don't know for sure, but it looked to me like we tried to get cute on that kick that went out of bounds. Tried to angle a kick into the corner away from Jacoby Jones and it cost us.

Like what? Either Kai has to improve or they bring in another kicker..... I don't see MS keeping 2 kickers active. And I don't see them getting rid of the NFLs most accurate FG kicker.

If Kai can improve great, but I'm nots sure he will. And he's too good to cut.

I think you're missing the point - I TOTALLY agree that Forbath is staying

I just don't agree with the idea (as posted) that Forbath is being told to NOT kick the ball deep on kickoffs - that is BS

we were in terrible field position for a long while because of that kickoff after the FG - Mike will find a way to ensure better field position from kickoffs

let me make this point - the offense is going to get better and will be kicking off a lot .. OK?

we are going to make sure the kickoffs are either VERY high OR they are VERY deep - just like everybody else

NEXT SEASON - we are NOT kicking line drives as someone here said we wanted to do - that is STUPID

Kai will do it or someone else will - we are not going to be giving the ball to the opposition in great field position every time we kickoff

Well no, I wasn't missing the point --- I agree with you that Kai isn't being told not to kick the ball deep into the end zone. In fact, it was obvious that towards the end of the game he was trying kick to the sides of the field in an attempt to prevent Jacoby from returning -- because he can't get it 8 yards back in the endzone.

Kai just can't kick the ball deep into the end zone. That is obvious. Anyone that is saying otherwise is wrong.

Now that said, you believe that something will be done in the offseason. Now, my question is what; based on the following facts:
- MS/Smith doesn't want the opposition returning kickoffs. Too much risk.
- Everyone knows that Kai is staying next year.
- MS/KS won't carry 2 kickers on the roster because we don't have room and it is a waste.
- If it were easier for Kai to get touchbacks and/or prevent structured returns from the opposition on kicks --- such a change would have already been done.

Therefore, the only real thing that can be done is just to force Kai to get better on kickoffs without altering his FG ability. But, based on your post, you make it appear (with the "WILL") as if MS has some type of diabolical plan in place moving forward in the offseason. Based on the facts outliend above, I don't see what that could be outside of hoping that Kai can improve --- which isn't much of a "plan".

We won the game WITHOUT Banks contributing as WR or as a kick or punt returner

From what we saw from Paul and Crawford there is little doubt that Banks will not be on the field much in B&G

time to move on ..

P A T I E N C E - Scot & Jay's goal here is to make this franchise better - it will take time they understand the need to change to primarily building through the draft - plus have some luck go their way

SkinsJock wrote:let me point out that after we scored the FG and the kickoff went out of bounds - the ravens then started on the 40 and we were constantly trying to get away from our goal line - that is BS - that almost cost us this game

LOL. I can't believe we have a kicker who hasn't missed since he got here, and you're still complaining about his kickoffs.

And I don't know for sure, but it looked to me like we tried to get cute on that kick that went out of bounds. Tried to angle a kick into the corner away from Jacoby Jones and it cost us.

I am NOT complaining about his kickoffs - I'm pointing to 2 things
this is still a site where you don't have to follow along merrily

there was at least 1 poster that indicated that Danny or Mike wanted the kickoffs to be returned because they had so much confidence in the KO coverage group

THAT is STUPID

somehow the kickoffs will be improved .. but, that is for another thread ..
again - I am NOT complaining - I'm just pointing to an issue that had us in terrible field position for a long while

btw - Banks is done here

P A T I E N C E - Scot & Jay's goal here is to make this franchise better - it will take time they understand the need to change to primarily building through the draft - plus have some luck go their way

The Hogster wrote:Only a miserable attention starved loser would want to prove a point right now!!!

The Hogster wrote:So I guess nobody saw Niles Paul fumble? LOL

Making a point, are you?

Glad we won too.

DarthMonk

Yes. I tend to make great points often. It's no secret that I supported Banks. Still do. But, that doesn't mean that I don't support Crawford. I support them both. And, Niles "Toe Finger" Paul didn't do much to make anyone at ease on kickoffs. If the Ravens guy wasn't bumbling around on that fumble recovery, we LOSE the game due to him returning kicks and Crawford never gets the chance to break that long one.