Indeed, we are the children of that unknowable essence, our minds a faint reflection of its light within the muddy waters of the material world, our souls its very breath within these corporeal bounds.

Indeed, we are the children of that unknowable essence, our minds a faint reflection of its light within the muddy waters of the material world, our souls its very breath within these corporeal bounds.

Alright Ice, you realize that you have an abysmal record in your alarmist predictions here,,,

so what do you base this on this time?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38683093

I really do

I don't think I could make a living at it!

Indeed, we are the children of that unknowable essence, our minds a faint reflection of its light within the muddy waters of the material world, our souls its very breath within these corporeal bounds.

Alright Ice, you realize that you have an abysmal record in your alarmist predictions here,,,

so what do you base this on this time?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38683093

The sept 1st 2016 timeline

Indeed, we are the children of that unknowable essence, our minds a faint reflection of its light within the muddy waters of the material world, our souls its very breath within these corporeal bounds.

Unlike uncle Harold this timeline fits my ownstudy of the blood moons of 2014 and 2015

Also the 49 years of 1967 to 2015

Indeed, we are the children of that unknowable essence, our minds a faint reflection of its light within the muddy waters of the material world, our souls its very breath within these corporeal bounds.

THE EXPRESSED IMAGEIn the Old Testament man was judged by a tree "of knowledge of good and evil". A cherubim with a sword that goes every way like a flame (time?) guarded Eden from Adam going back and eating of the tree of life.Then man was judged by a flood. It rained 40 days and nights and a dove and raven were sent up from the ark. There was a rainbow to show that we would not be judged by water any more.Then the children of Israel were elected by YHVH and given the law. Messiah is the end of the law.

THE BACKWARD WALK OF MESSIAH YESHUAYeshua went in reverse through the history in the 5 books of Moses summarized above.

The LawFirst he obeyed the law in the Torah living in submission to his parents. His parents went into Egypt to escape persecution just as Israel was in Egypt before they were given the law

The FloodThen he went back before the law to the flood. In the flood it rained 40 days and nights. A dove and a raven were sent up from the Ark of Noah.Yeshua went into the water baptized by John and the holy spirit descended on him like a dove and he went into the wilderness 40 days and 40 nights.The dove is the holy spirit.The raven is the spirit of Elijah. Elijah was fed by ravens of the brook during the famine (1 Kings 17:6). Elijah was to turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers (Malachi 4:6). The eye that mocks at his father and despises to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out (Proverbs 30:17). Yeshua said that If you care to believe it John is the Elijah to come (Matthew 11:14). John's baptism has something to do with the raven.(There is also interesting definitions and root word for the word meaning "pitch" on the Ark of Noah that is related to salvation. Pitch (Genesis 6:14) Strong s 3724 kopher; from 3722; prop. a cover, i.e. (lit.) a village (as covered in); (spec.) bitumen (as used for coating), and the henna plant (as used for dying); fig. a redemption-price:- bribe, camphor, pitch, ransom, satisfaction, sum of money, village. 3722 kaphar; a prim. root; to cover (spec. with bitumen); fig. to expiate or condone, to placate or cancel:- appease, make (an) atonement, cleanse, disannul, forgive, be merciful, pacify, pardon, to pitch, purge (away), put off, (make) reconcile (-liation).)Further proof -Matthew 4:4, 7 & 10 is paralleled in reverse by Deuteronomy 8:3; 6:16 & 6:13 Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.Deut 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Deut 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Deut 6:13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.)

The Garden of EdenYeshua went backward before the flood to the garden of Eden. It says in Deuteronomy 30:6 , Yahweh Elohim ("the Lord thy God"), "will circumcise your heart and the heart of your seed to love Yahweh Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, that you may live." In order to live one must eat of the tree of life which is in the garden of Eden being guarded by cherubim with a sword.

The Last SupperThe last supper of Yeshua was the Passover supper where the angel of death passed over all those in the households of Israel when it saw the blood of the lamb on the doorpost.On Passover Yeshua and his disciples revisit the original scene in Eden and reverse it. Yeshua is the 2nd/last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45, 47). The disciples - the bride of the last Adam. Judas "One of you is a devil" (Yeshua said of Judas)To forget our creator Eve gave to Adam to eat. Yeshua gave to his disciples "Eat this in remembrance of me".

TemptationWhere were Adam and Eve before they ate? In a garden (Eden) being tempted. In reverse Messiah and the disciples after they ate were in the garden of Gethsemane during Yeshua and the disciples time of temptation.(note - Gethsemane was on the Mount of Olives & the olive tree is symbolic of the tree of life "I'll live")

The BrideAdam went back before Eve was formed. Adam was put into a deep sleep. His side was opened. A helps meet was made for him from his side.Messiah was put into a deep sleep, death. His side was opened. Water and blood came out. The bride of Messiah is the witness that is said in the NT to be of the spirit, water and blood.

The Alpha and OmegaThe host, army, of heaven was in place before Adam was formed. Messiah Yeshua takes us to heavenly places but there was a battle in heaven. Messiah takes us back to the beginning and where are we? At the end of the scripture. "Revelations" is the description of that battle. This is where the beginning meets the end.

Revelations Of Yourself You Can Do NothingThere was a battle in heaven and in it Satan's people fight for Satan but Yeshua fights for his people. All as they can do is seek understanding (standing under), agreeing to truth and be thankful.

In the battle the serpent cast a third of the stars to the earth with its tail. This is who I believe the lost are Messiah came to save. They’re lost as in lost sheep lost from heaven. Everyone is a sinner but not everyone is lost. Many are comfortable and at home in hell, separation from our creator, Adam's death. They will be comfortable there until hell and death (Adam's death, the first death /the first Adam) are cast into the lake of fire (the second death). I believe that hell is separation from our creator and if we aren't born into it the moment we are conceived into Adam's death "we all died in Adam" (1 Corinthians 15:22) than it sure is a likeness of it. hell will be a place of torment when it is cast into the lake of fire.

Hell is separation from our father in heaven’s eternal life. If we aren't born into it the moment we are conceived in Adam's death than it sure is a likeness of it.

Adam's death, the first* "death" ( on that day you shall surely die - first death in the Bible) of the first Adam, separation from the creator and eternal life. *Scripture mentions the 2nd death, the lake of fire, 4 times - Revelation 2:11; 20:6, 14; 21:8 - implying a first death. However, you have to search the scriptures yourself to see where the first death is - For as in Adam all die, even so in Messiah shall all be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:22)

All motion is defined by a relative stillness. You are still but the person passing you is moving in relation to you. If you go out of earth's atmosphere or to the center of its axis you see that you are moving on a spinning world, spinning defined by its axis which is still in relation to the earth yet is moving in relation to the sun which defines our solar system and sits still in it defining the movement of its planets. If you go outside our solar system you see that the sun is moving in the universe and somewhere there is an ultimate stillness that defines all motion and yet is nothing in itself.

You can take it to another level and look under a microscope and see that little nucleuses are defining the motion around them of electrons and you can detect with other machinery and see that sound is defined by an ultimate silence, lack of sound waves so you see that the ultimate stillness is reflected in all things. In a sense we are all like holograms projected from, defined by nothingness and the nothingness that defines all matter may be more real than the matter it defines. Surely that which defines what can not define it is greater than that which it defines.To define or demonstrate - You can do something (works) to demonstrate sound or motion but there is nothing you can do that demonstrates/defines silence or stillness.

You could take it another direction and say that all stillness is defined by a relative motion. Then you would need something to go faster and faster to define each relative stillness. It has been demonstrated that the faster something, a rocket ship, goes the slower time gets. It doesn t matter which direction though - every way like a flame . If one was to reach the speed where time stopped, matter would cease to exist (at least as we know it) and you would be in that same place of nothingness that defines all things, beyond time and space. In Bible terms it is called "The Kingdom of God that flesh and blood does not enter" or "inherit". (1 Corinthians 15:10)

"God" dwells in that nothingness. Not just religion but science, of reality, of truth. His kingdom defines all things yet is not defined. Satan, the prince of the powers of the air, is cast out of heaven. Messiah or Christ is the expressed image of the uncreated creator.

Satan can reflect off of all things created but not off of that silence/stillness like Messiah, the expressed image of the uncreated creator can. Therefore Satan has no rest day or night.

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Matter exists only in relationship to time but that something outside of time and matter defines the things within it.

Revelations Of Yourself You Can Do NothingThere was a battle in heaven and in it Satan's people fight for Satan but Yeshua fights for his people. All as they can do is seek understanding (standing under), agreeing to truth and be thankful.

In the battle the serpent cast a third of the stars to the earth with its tail. This is who I believe the lost are Messiah came to save. They’re lost as in lost sheep lost from heaven. Everyone is a sinner but not everyone is lost. Many are comfortable and at home in hell, separation from our creator, Adam's death. They will be comfortable there until hell and death (Adam's death, the first death /the first Adam) are cast into the lake of fire (the second death). I believe that hell is separation from our creator and if we aren't born into it the moment we are conceived into Adam's death "we all died in Adam" (1 Corinthians 15:22) than it sure is a likeness of it. hell will be a place of torment when it is cast into the lake of fire.

Hell is separation from our father in heaven’s eternal life. If we aren't born into it the moment we are conceived in Adam's death than it sure is a likeness of it.

Adam's death, the first* "death" ( on that day you shall surely die - first death in the Bible) of the first Adam, separation from the creator and eternal life. *Scripture mentions the 2nd death, the lake of fire, 4 times - Revelation 2:11; 20:6, 14; 21:8 - implying a first death. However, you have to search the scriptures yourself to see where the first death is - For as in Adam all die, even so in Messiah shall all be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:22)

All motion is defined by a relative stillness. You are still but the person passing you is moving in relation to you. If you go out of earth's atmosphere or to the center of its axis you see that you are moving on a spinning world, spinning defined by its axis which is still in relation to the earth yet is moving in relation to the sun which defines our solar system and sits still in it defining the movement of its planets. If you go outside our solar system you see that the sun is moving in the universe and somewhere there is an ultimate stillness that defines all motion and yet is nothing in itself.

You can take it to another level and look under a microscope and see that little nucleuses are defining the motion around them of electrons and you can detect with other machinery and see that sound is defined by an ultimate silence, lack of sound waves so you see that the ultimate stillness is reflected in all things. In a sense we are all like holograms projected from, defined by nothingness and the nothingness that defines all matter may be more real than the matter it defines. Surely that which defines what can not define it is greater than that which it defines.To define or demonstrate - You can do something (works) to demonstrate sound or motion but there is nothing you can do that demonstrates/defines silence or stillness.

You could take it another direction and say that all stillness is defined by a relative motion. Then you would need something to go faster and faster to define each relative stillness. It has been demonstrated that the faster something, a rocket ship, goes the slower time gets. It doesn t matter which direction though - every way like a flame . If one was to reach the speed where time stopped, matter would cease to exist (at least as we know it) and you would be in that same place of nothingness that defines all things, beyond time and space. In Bible terms it is called "The Kingdom of God that flesh and blood does not enter" or "inherit". (1 Corinthians 15:10)

"God" dwells in that nothingness. Not just religion but science, of reality, of truth. His kingdom defines all things yet is not defined. Satan, the prince of the powers of the air, is cast out of heaven. Messiah or Christ is the expressed image of the uncreated creator.

Satan can reflect off of all things created but not off of that silence/stillness like Messiah, the expressed image of the uncreated creator can. Therefore Satan has no rest day or night.

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Matter exists only in relationship to time but that something outside of time and matter defines the things within it.

Revelation Chapter 121 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

The woman is the Old Testament believers represented by Mary who gave birth to Yeshua. They are clothed with the sun, that is, clothed with Messiah who is their robe of righteousness. The moon is under her feet. The moon represents the law of our creator. The believers have become victorious over the law in the sense that the law of our creator can no longer condemn them. The crown of the twelve stars signifies that the believers reign with Messiah.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

The third part are all who are believers. Adam was created to be perfect. When Satan the dragon caused Eve to sin, he caused all who'd eventually become believers (the stars of heaven), to be cast out of heaven. This dragon (Satan) was ready to kill Yeshua as soon as He was born. The seven heads are crowned symbolizing Satan's rule over unsaved mankind during history of the world."

This hebrew was shown to me by my brother in Messiah and friend John Frank Morin from Canada -Christ wearing a crown of thorns says (Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani) "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me". A deeper meaning of the word "forsaken" is "entangled" . Father Why have you entangled me - It's the sacrifice that Abraham found in the thicket with its horns caught in the thorns. - That's Christ's crown of thorns.

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