Read the first post. Fire Murray now?

I was never anti-Murray per se, but I'm at the point where I'm ready to be done with him. A change is needed and you can't fire every player. It's cliched but it's true. Murray was the right pick for this team when they hired him, he brought discipline and accountability. But from an outsider's perspective, it seems to have worn thin.

Out with the old, in with the new. It's a cycle in sports. You go from a 'player's coach' to a 'disciplinarian' and then once they rise up and regress, you fire the disciplinarian for a player's coach. 'Round and 'round it goes.

Murray is stifling the young players' development, and losing a lot of points for The Blues by trying to sit on leads for half a game. He needs to go. Let's get a coach that will be able to let the kids develop their games, and get more experience and not be afraid to make mistakes (that all players make). I had hoped they'd get Laviolette. But, even Davis Payne would be an improvement. Murray has lost the team. His methods don't fit this team.

glen a richter wrote:I don't know about any of you, but I'd be infinitely happier right now as a Blues fan if Q was still coach. At least his teams win in the regular season. Playoff wins will eventually follow.

People said the EXACT same thing about Quennville before he was fired. Favored the vets too much, not enough accountability, stifles the youth.

glen a richter wrote:I don't know about any of you, but I'd be infinitely happier right now as a Blues fan if Q was still coach. At least his teams win in the regular season. Playoff wins will eventually follow.

People said the EXACT same thing about Quennville before he was fired. Favored the vets too much, not enough accountability, stifles the youth.

I'm not ready to fire him.

And it was totally true when Q was fired. The change in performance under Kitch that first year was noticeable.

And it's pretty likely that Q figured something out and used it to be a better coach... which is why he isn't doing it in Chi.

I never understood the love affair with this guy. As far as I could ever tell his one and only qualification was coaching the only team in the league that was a serious challenger to the Blues for the NHL's Lifetime Mediocrity Award.

That being said, a coaching change here is just grasping at straws. This team needs proven goal scorers--not over the hill role players or guys who had career years at 26-28 years old after scoring 10-15 goals a year for the previous 5 seasons and suddenly we think they're the second coming of Brett Hull. I really am sorry to sound so doom-and-gloom, but I've seen this movie many times before--remember Denny Felsner? Michel Mongeau, Jochen Hecht, Lubos Bartecko, Nelson Emerson, Jocelyn Lemeiux, Lee Stempniak, Peter Sejna, Petr Cajanek Jim Campbell, Eric Bogunieki, Ladislav Nagy, Patrice Tardif, Pascal Rheaume, Denis Chasse and of course the Russin Experiment? At one time or another these guys were all supposed to be the nucleus of the next Blues Championship Team, and on paper their college / amateur stats were indistinguishable from anyone on this team not named Tkachuck or Kariya. Mark my words, in a season or three, you will be adding Boyes, Backes, Berglund, and Oshie to that list above. Last time I checked we were in the top 4 in team GAA and second to last in team GFA. You do the math and tell me how a new coach gets us the 40-60 goals over the course of a season that turn us into a playoff team. Bottom line--it;'s not the coach, it the lack of talent. A good coach can make a good team great, but no coach can make a bad team good--not for long, anyway.

I never understood the love affair with this guy. As far as I could ever tell his one and only qualification was coaching the only team in the league that was a serious challenger to the Blues for the NHL's Lifetime Mediocrity Award.

That being said, a coaching change here is just grasping at straws. This team needs proven goal scorers--not over the hill role players or guys who had career years at 26-28 years old after scoring 10-15 goals a year for the previous 5 seasons and suddenly we think they're the second coming of Brett Hull. I really am sorry to sound so doom-and-gloom, but I've seen this movie many times before--remember Denny Felsner? Michel Mongeau, Jochen Hecht, Lubos Bartecko, Nelson Emerson, Jocelyn Lemeiux, Lee Stempniak, Peter Sejna, Petr Cajanek Jim Campbell, Eric Bogunieki, Ladislav Nagy, Patrice Tardif, Pascal Rheaume, Denis Chasse and of course the Russin Experiment? At one time or another these guys were all supposed to be the nucleus of the next Blues Championship Team, and on paper their college / amateur stats were indistinguishable from anyone on this team not named Tkachuck or Kariya. Mark my words, in a season or three, you will be adding Boyes, Backes, Berglund, and Oshie to that list above. Last time I checked we were in the top 4 in team GAA and second to last in team GFA. You do the math and tell me how a new coach gets us the 40-60 goals over the course of a season that turn us into a playoff team. Bottom line--it;'s not the coach, it the lack of talent. A good coach can make a good team great, but no coach can make a bad team good--not for long, anyway.

A key feature in basically all those names you listed was a total lack of first round drafting for any of them. All those guys were later picks that happened to have a good year or two and then started to fade. Several have even made decent careers for themselves. Guys like Stempniak, Hecht, etc, are pleasant surprises and nothing more.

The Blues of today on the other hand are BUILT with not only first rounders but HIGH first rounders- guys who were heavily scouted and EXPECTED to perform. There is all the difference in the world in building a team around solid first rounders and trying to do it with some surprise guys who weren't "supposed to make it" and were never scouted or advertised as long term threats. The reason the Blues of now are different is because this is really the first time that management has decided patience and to build from within and the talent level is certainly accumulating as a result.

As Curt pointed out in another thread- it's SO early to be making these kinds of judgment calls about Oshie, Berglund and the like. They're a year and a half into their NHL careers; relax. Having said that, there IS talent on this team and IMO Blues fans have been patient long enough. Lastly, I vehemently reject anyone proposing we start wheeling and dealing to get that mythical "true goal scorer" or that "one thing we're missing." I've seen THAT movie before and it's called 1990's/2000's St. Louis Blues history. Any Stanley Cups in that history? Exactly.

glen a richter wrote:“I’m responsible here. I’m the head coach, and it doesn’t sit well with me. We’ve got to talk about what we can do better as coaches as well."

Pardon the irrelevance but the parallels are staggering.

Supposed to be "the year" of a resurgence. Team composed of players that supposedly were going to push the team back into the limelight. Etc so on and so forth. I suck at picking sports teams to be a fan of

evil roy wrote:How 'bout a Wayback thread: Last time I checked we were in the top 4 in team GAA and second to last in team GFA. You do the math and tell me how a new coach gets us the 40-60 goals over the course of a season that turn us into a playoff team. Bottom line--it;'s not the coach, it the lack of talent. A good coach can make a good team great, but no coach can make a bad team good--not for long, anyway.

For the 100th time, the coach chooses the structure in which the team plays. We play defense-first, grinder-style hockey. The system in which this team plays in DOES NOT promote lots of offense.