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Takes an impressive fleet to pop 85k EHP before RR can get on it, but I am still not advocating the Raven over the Drake in pvp.Funny that no one considers themselves evil, even while caught in the thick of it.

The original post basically asked "why don't we see more Ravens in combat?"

I am providing the answer. It is because they are shield tanked, and shield tanks have no place in battleship battles.

That is indisputable. You are a failure if you try to come up with ways to make a dedicated shield tank ship work in an armor fleet. BS fleets (mid to large scale pvp) are armor fleets.

However, I have no skin the game. I personally fly all PvP ships in EVE (other than the Titans). I use the Raven for PvE. I don't care. But I also don't like stupid people, and you are stupid if you bring a Raven to a fleet fight.

The original post basically asked "why don't we see more Ravens in combat?"

I am providing the answer. It is because they are shield tanked, and shield tanks have no place in battleship battles.

That is indisputable. You are a human failure if you try to come up with ways to make a dedicated shield tank ship work in an armor fleet. BS fleets (mid to large scale pvp) are armor fleets.

However, I have no skin the game. I personally fly all PvP ships in EVE (other than the Titans). I use the Raven for PvE. I don't care. But I also don't like stupid people, and you are stupid if you bring a Raven to a fleet fight.

The original post basically asked "why don't we see more Ravens in combat?"

I am providing the answer. It is because they are shield tanked, and shield tanks have no place in battleship battles.

That is indisputable. You are a human failure if you try to come up with ways to make a dedicated shield tank ship work in an armor fleet. BS fleets (mid to large scale pvp) are armor fleets.

However, I have no skin the game. I personally fly all PvP ships in EVE (other than the Titans). I use the Raven for PvE. I don't care. But I also don't like stupid people, and you are stupid if you bring a Raven to a fleet fight.

you are dumb just like rest of your alli , go blob something

Care to say something meaningful to back up your tears, which, I should add, fuel me?

The original post basically asked "why don't we see more Ravens in combat?"

I am providing the answer. It is because they are shield tanked, and shield tanks have no place in battleship battles.

That is indisputable. You are a human failure if you try to come up with ways to make a dedicated shield tank ship work in an armor fleet. BS fleets (mid to large scale pvp) are armor fleets.

However, I have no skin the game. I personally fly all PvP ships in EVE (other than the Titans). I use the Raven for PvE. I don't care. But I also don't like stupid people, and you are stupid if you bring a Raven to a fleet fight.

you are dumb just like rest of your alli , go blob something

Care to say something meaningful to back up your tears, which, I should add, fuel me?

Posted - 2010.11.02 02:18:00 -
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Drakes are cheap, two and a half times smaller than a raven, fit a nasty passive shield tank (which will continue to regen through lag), and most importantly (which I'm quite honestly surprised that it took so long to surface in this thread) heavy missiles have the ability to hit afterburning hacs for a decent percentage of their actual damage.

This isn't a question about EHP or tank type, its the question of how high can you get your resistances and how effective can you get your passive regen in case of lag. If not, they're still battlecruisers and can provide a hefty EHP buffer. You must also realize that in high lag situations modules will continue to run without capacitor, making the drake with its approx 1000-1100 m/s far more favorable than the raven which would have trouble outrunning the hics tackling them or the hacs racing straight for them.

Originally by:Tusen Takkit costs me 38mil to buy and fit and rig a Drake. just the hull of a Raven is 120mil in The Citadel region, not including the large rigs which are hella expensive and the skill intensive cruise and torpedos. sure, 118k ehp is alot, but when you're theh primary target for all of the targets youre engaging in a fleet, that doesnt last very long.

+1, drake will go 119k EHP pretty easy but does crap DPS. Which is why you just get more drakes and win. :)

Originally by:Grarr DexxDrakes are cheap, two and a half times smaller than a raven, fit a nasty passive shield tank (which will continue to regen through lag), and most importantly (which I'm quite honestly surprised that it took so long to surface in this thread) heavy missiles have the ability to hit afterburning hacs for a decent percentage of their actual damage.

This isn't a question about EHP or tank type, its the question of how high can you get your resistances and how effective can you get your passive regen in case of lag. If not, they're still battlecruisers and can provide a hefty EHP buffer. You must also realize that in high lag situations modules will continue to run without capacitor, making the drake with its approx 1000-1100 m/s far more favorable than the raven which would have trouble outrunning the hics tackling them or the hacs racing straight for them.

This pretty much covers it. Though I'd also add easy to skill for which makes it good for getting the blob into a concept fleet that works. Skilling for the Raven is a fair amount more that you may not be able to persuade non Caldari pilots to do.

As to the MH guy, guessing he hasn't actually logged on in the last 3 months since Drake armies have been pretty much the defacto standard for sov warfare recently. We've used RR BS against them and come out on top out numbered, on paper that shouldn't really happen so skill / SP does still count.

Originally by:Tusen Takkit costs me 38mil to buy and fit and rig a Drake. just the hull of a Raven is 120mil in The Citadel region, not including the large rigs which are hella expensive and the skill intensive cruise and torpedos. sure, 118k ehp is alot, but when you're theh primary target for all of the targets youre engaging in a fleet, that doesnt last very long.

that being said, im currently getting my torp skills up so that i can get a whole fleet of battleships up in dat bish and put the wtfpwn on

Bingo, you have an 100k ehp armor tank, with 4-5 RSD's that'll drive hostile logi's bat**** insane, with about 300 dps without drones.

Armor tanked fleet raven.

Or hell, put remote ECCM on your logis, or put remote sensor boosters on them. Let the other ships deal with the repping, you can deal with either boosting your own logis, or screwing with the enemies.

Originally by:Footoo RamaThe downside is they take alot longer to align, and get out of bubbles.

fyp

They actually don't take that much longer to align than BC's, just cycle the MWD once while aligning, the heaviest plated + trimarked BS in the game will still warp out in 10 seconds. Found it hilarious once in a support domi with some BC's I warped before some of the BC's in gang.

Posted - 2010.11.04 19:43:00 -
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I think the point that some people are missing.

I dont think the OP was saying, "why don't people fly Ravens as a part of NORMAL fleets?"

But more along the lines of, "If Drake only fleets are common, why not instead Raven only" upon the same merits as Drake.

My remark about shield RR and a few remarks about buffer and speed of the Drake were all on topic.

However this thread has derailed into a "ZOMG U CANT UZ A RAVEN IN A FLEET GUY U JUZ CANT" nerd rage.

I think a Raven only fleet would do just fine, with rigors and TPs they can actually hit support quite well. The problem is Drakes are more effective and shield RR is anoyingly restrictive. As well as the fact that the other 3 races are better off in armor, leaving the Raven out in the cold.

Originally by:Dodgy PastAs to the MH guy, guessing he hasn't actually logged on in the last 3 months since Drake armies have been pretty much the defacto standard for sov warfare recently. We've used RR BS against them and come out on top out numbered, on paper that shouldn't really happen so skill / SP does still count.

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